Episodes

Oct. 22, 2022

Episode #32: Solutions for Preserving Liberty & Fulfilling Our Mandate as Mormons W/Enoch More Founder of Defending Utah

So I was just talking with a friend a couple days ago about the podcast. He said “Dave I love the podcast but you have had a few episodes that seem out of place on a podcast about Mormonism.” I asked which ones and he told me the ones I have done about liberty and freedom. In response to that I want to read the following quote from Brigham Young “Every organization of our government, the best government in the world, is crumbling to pieces. Those who have it in their hands are the ones who are ...
Oct. 15, 2022

Episode #31: Answers to Mormon Fundamentalist Questions W/ William Dummkopf, Michael Ness, & Jacob Vidrine

So I have a question….What happens when a Lutheran interested in Mormonism has a discussion with three Mormon fundamentalists? Well you are about to find out. A few months back I had a man named Billy reach out to me with some questions about Mormonism, Fundamentalism, and the LDS Church. Now one of the things I like about Billy is that he is an honest seeker. He wants to understand without playing “gottcha games”. Billy eventually had the idea of wanting to come on the podcast and ask some ques...
Oct. 9, 2022

Episode #30: Instalment 3 of the Jewish Calendar Series: Feast Of Tabernacles W/ Joshua Erickson

Today is October 10, 2022. It is the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles. So on this episode Joshua Erickson and I are continuing our discussion on the Feast and Holy Days of the Jewish calendar. This is instalment number 3 in the series. Again I strongly recommend that if you haven’t going back and listening to Episode # 15. That episode sets the table for this series. Then listen to episodes numbers 27 and 28. The reason for this is that as I have had these conversations you can see that the...
Oct. 9, 2022

Episode #29: Staying Traditional In a World Gone Mad W/ Nate & Megan Richardson

Now just as a disclaimer I recorded this episode after my wife and had attended a football game so my voice was kind of shot. One of the things I enjoy most about doing this podcast is talking to Mormons of all walks of life. This episode is an example of that. I had the opportunity to sit down and have a conversation with Nate & Megan Richardson. Nate and Megan are devout members of the LDS church who have decided to structure their family and raise their kids in a very traditional Mormon way. ...
Oct. 1, 2022

Episode #28: Part 2 Of The Jewish Calendar Series: Yom Kippur W/Joshua Erickson

On this episode of the Podcast I continue my conversation with Joshua Erickson for our series on the Feast & Holy days of the Jewish calendar. As Mormons one of our central tenants of faith is the idea of restoration. Now we know that the Feast and Holy days were instituted by God anciently and were observed by the Savior himself. This leads to the questions that should we as Mormons give greater attention to the Jewish calendar and can we glean something special from an understanding and even p...
Sept. 24, 2022

Episode #27: Rosh HaShanahW/Joshua Erickson

Today on this episode I have Joshua Erickson back on the podcast. Now Joshua and I had an epic 5 hour conversation on Episode #15. If you haven't heard that one you will want to go back and listen to that because it sets the table for the rest of the discussions we will have on the Jewish feast and holy days. On this episode Joshua and I talk about Rosh HaShanah. What the celebration is in remembrance of, how it is celebrated, and some interesting parallels in the restored gospel of Jesus Chris...
Sept. 20, 2022

Episode #26: Idaho’s Totalitarian Experiment W/Sara Brady

So two years ago when we were in full lockdown because of Covid there were a few things that I saw that really shocked me. One of those was Idaho’s response to Covid. I have said before on the podcast that I lived for quite a few in Idaho so I felt like I had a pretty good idea on what their government leaders were like. I have to admit that I was wrong. I was shocked to see the draconian measures that the state took in locking down its population. One story that was especially jarring for me w...
Sept. 17, 2022

Episode #25 A Key to the Mormon Counter Culture W/Ben Shaffer

The term counter culture is a term that we as fundamentalist & traditional Mormons I think better start to take seriously. Let me tell you how the dictionary describes counter culture “a way of life and set of attitudes opposed to or at variance with the prevailing social norm”. So if you’re like me you are probably thinking wow maybe we as traditional & fundamentalist Mormons are a counter culture. Well the good news is we aren’t the first and we might be in good company….excepting of course th...
Sept. 11, 2022

Episode #24 Saving True Mormon History W/L. Hannah Stoddard

On this episode I have on Hannah Stoddard. Hannah is the Director of the Joseph Smith Foundation which seeks to defend the Restoration as given through the Prophet Joseph Smith. They do this by battling false narratives and staying true to and telling accurate history and defending Joseph Smith and other early LDS Church Presidents. Hannah and I have a conversation about how the Joseph Smith Foundation was started and the work that they do. Later we discuss current efforts of so called historian...
Sept. 3, 2022

Episode #23 Not Hiding Our Light Under a Bushel W/David Patten: A Mormon Fundamentalist Film Maker

OK I am not breaking any news here. We all see that the world around us is getting darker. It is plainly evident that the love of man is waxing cold. We see violence, corruption, war, hunger, poverty, sexual immorality all around us and it oly continues to intensify. In a world that has seem to have lost its moral compass what are we supposed to do as followers of Christ? The answer to that question is that we must stop looking for others to change. We have to be the change we seek. Today on the...
Aug. 27, 2022

Episode #22 The Economy & Gold W/Kelsey Williams

So did you see what happened to the Dow Jones yesterday? Yeah down 1,000 points and that’s on top of the markets either being nearly flat or down all week. Something is happening within the economy that has every alarm bell in my gut going off at once. On this episode I have Kelsey Williams back on. Kelsey has worked in finance in one form or another for well over 40 years. He is the author of two books First Inflation: What it is, What it isn’t and Who’s responsible for it and his second book ...
Aug. 21, 2022

Episode #21 The State of Freedom In the Mormon Corridor W/Ben McClintock

Look we all know that things just don’t feel right. We see it everywhere. Out of control inflation across all sectors of the economy. We see civil unrest, wars abroad, the degrading of our institutions, immorality masquerading as civil rights issues and the list goes on and on. The next two weeks I have a couple of guests on the podcast to try and help us make sense of what’s going on. This episode I have on Ben McClintock. Many will recognize Ben as being the co-founder and former face of Defe...
Aug. 13, 2022

Episode #20 Mormon Doctrine In the Apocrypha W/Ken Peterson

So I have a question, If Joseph Smith really restored the Gospel we should be able to look back to ancient prophets and their teachings and we should see that those teachings line up with what Joseph Smith taught right? Well on this episode of the podcast I have a conversation with Ken Peterson. Ken is a devout lifelong member of the LDS Church. Ken has released a book titled Mormon Doctrine in the Apocrypha. In the book Ken lines out where teachings from the Apocrypha are exact matches to the t...
Aug. 6, 2022

Episode #19 Priesthood, Priesthood Keys & Presidency W/ Michael Ness

One of the greatest points of contention between Mormons of different sects has always been who is in charge and who has the keys. To get the proper answer to that question there is a lot of principles that need to be understood first. On this episode Michael Ness comes back on the podcast to discuss that very topic. We do a deep dive into priesthood, priesthood keys and Presidency. As we compare and contrast those three topics I think you will find that certain assumptions we may have made abou...
Aug. 3, 2022

Episode #18 The Dream Mine W/Kevin Kraut

On this episode I have Kevin Kraut back on the podcast. Today we are going to talk about a topic that isn’t well known unless you’re in fundamentalist circles. That topic is the Dream Mine in Salem Utah. This mine has been the subject of visions, prophecy, & one man’s excommunication from the LDS Church. We breakdown the history of the mine, its current state, and also how it ties in to some peoples end times theology. Now personally I haven’t made up my mind if the stories associated with mine ...
July 25, 2022

Episode #17 Ogden Kraut W/ Kevin Kraut

In Mormon Fundamentalism there are names that everybody knows. Then there are a distinct few who’s influence is felt all through the community. On this episode we talk about one such man, Ogden Kraut. I sit down with Kevin Kraut Ogden’s son to talk about his Dad. We cover Ogden’s upbringing, his mission, and his work as a Mormon fundamentalist historian and author. Some of the most fascinating portions is hearing about Ogden’s interactions with folks like John Koyle, Bruce R. McConkie, Hugh Nibl...
July 18, 2022

Episode #16: A conversation with Cristina Rosetti, PhD

Ok so I told you early on that that this podcast was a place for me to sit down with people I found really cool and interesting. Well this episode is like a dream come true for me. I had the opportunity to sit down with Cristina Rosetti. I am a huge fan of her work. She has spent her academic career studying Mormon Fundamentalism. Her work is respected by academics and Mormon Fundamentalists alike. Her work is both uncompromising and fair. In our conversation we cover how she became interested i...
July 12, 2022

Episode #15: One Continuous Covenant With Joshua Erickson

On this episode of the podcast I sit down and have a conversation with Joshua Erickson. I have known Joshua for about a year. He is a Mormon Fundamentalist that takes a very holistic view of Mormonism. Rather than seeing the gospel and restoration in a New Testament & Old Testament sort of way he tends to look at it from the whole. The outgrowth of having this point of view is that Joshua and his family practice Mormonism in conjunction with holding to many ancient Jewish traditions including ce...
July 4, 2022

Episode #14 History of & Changes to the Temple Ordinances with Moroni Jessop

So first let me apologize that I didn’t get this episode out sooner. The audio in spots is kind of rough due to some bad internet connections so I was really working the audio over to try and clean it up so that’s why this is a few days late. However despite some rough patches this episode is one of the most important I think I have done to date. On this episode I have on Moroni Jessop. This is normally the spot where I tell everyone a little about my guest…but let’s be honest its Moroni Jessop…...
June 25, 2022

The Adam-God Doctrine Part 2: Digging Deeper with Jacob Vidrine

one of the first episodes i ever did on this podcast was about the Adam-God doctrine with Jacob Vidrine and to date it is still one of the most downloaded episodes. After we were done recording that episode Jacob and I talked and felt like we really left some stuff on the table. Despite that episode being three hours long we really just managed to cover the history of the doctrine. In this episode we dig deeper on the doctrine. We try to answer some common questions about the doctrine, look at t...
June 18, 2022

Episode #12 Explaining What is happening to the economy

On this episode we talk about the economy. To help do that I brought on a guest who is why smarter than I am. His name is Kelsey Williams. Kelsey has worked in finance in one form or another for well over 40 years. He is the author of two books First Inflation: What it is, What it isn’t and Who’s responsible for it and his second book All hail the fed. He also has written and published many articles both for his website as well as other publications. All these resources can be found in the show ...
June 12, 2022

Episode # 11 Kimberly Watson Smith: The Martyrdom of Joseph & Hyrum Smith, Debunking the assertions of the "Who Killed Joseph Smith" film, & Prophetic parallels & events of the Martyrdom

On this episode I have a fascinating conversation with Kimberly Watson Smith. Kimberly has been the leading voice in debunking the “Who killed Joseph Smith” film and the theory it presents. Not only do we cover that but we also dig into what the “Doctrine of Christ” movement is, Its founder and also some of their ideas. We wrap up our conversation by talking about some amazing prophetic parallels and events surrounding the martyrdom of Joseph & Hyrum Smith. --- Support this podcast: https://po...
June 4, 2022

Episode #10 Council Of Fifty, Law Of Consecration, & United Order With Sean Anderson & Michael Ness

On this episode of the podcast I have a conversation with Sean Anderson & Michael Ness. This is an epic conversation. Not only do we cover Sean’s journey into Mormon Fundamentalism but we go into depth on the Council of Fifty. We cover what the council was, what its purpose was and dispel some common misconceptions about the council. Finally we debunk a new idea gaining ground with young Mormons that the Law of Consecration & United Order is simply socialism with a religious bent. We do this by ...
May 27, 2022

Where we are and How we got here.

With all that has happened this week in Texas and the horrendous loss of life of the innocent my guest Justin Francom & I changed what we were going to talk about. We ended up having a conversation about where we are at as a nation and a people, how we got here, and what the solutions are to weather the coming challenges. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support