Episode #21 The State of Freedom In the Mormon Corridor W/Ben McClintock

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Look we all know things, just
don't feel right?

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We see it everywhere out of
control inflation across all

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sectors of the economy.
We see civil unrest Wars abroad.

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The degrading of our
institutions immorality

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masquerading, as civil rights
and the list goes on.

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And on the next two weeks I have
a couple of guests on the

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podcast to try and help us make
sense of what's really going on

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this episode.
I have on been McClintock.

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Many will recognize been as
being the co-founder and former

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face of Defending Utah.
He has since moved on to start

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the Liberty society.
Which seeks to have an impact

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National then has strong roots.
In the Liberty Movement.

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He is the founder, as well as
membership coordinator and

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investigative reporter for the
tree of Liberty Society.

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Been has been featured on USA
Today, Fox News, and many other

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Regional newspapers throughout
the West.

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So, stick around for this
fascinating and enlightening

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conversation with Ben McClintock
on this episode of the Mormon,

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Today on the podcast, I am just
super excited.

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Um I have on a guest who I
followed certainly since I moved

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to Utah and probably a little
bit before that just because

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living in Idaho, your kind of
part of that Mormon Corridor if

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you will, right?
You'd follow 15 on up from Utah

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and then you hit 84 and and you
know temples just kind of doubt

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the land.
So to speak through that area

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and and he's been McClintock and
Ben has been involved with

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defending Utah.
For how long.

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Now Ben was with defending Utah
for nine years and now, we've

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with tree of Liberty Society.
Nice nice.

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So been real quick.
Did you grow up in Utah?

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I did not I grew up in Northern
California and some Farmland.

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I was not the big cities, but
northern California.

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I actually served my mission in
Idaho.

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So that's kind of cool that
you're from there and I serve my

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mission.
I tell ya what part Idaho.

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It was the Pocatello Mission,
but I serve most of it in

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Rexburg.
And the Teton Valley, okay.

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All right, right on most of my
time was spent on the the

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western side of the state over
by Nampa Boise Caldwell that

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area.
So but so what brought you Utah,

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or did you move with your folks
or no, I we've only been in Utah

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for just over a decade.
Okay.

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And just yeah, 12 13 years now
and I just for work.

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Okay.
All right.

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Would you think when you first
moved to Utah?

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I lived in Arizona, for a while
and it was a lot Arizona and

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Utah.
At least, you know, culturally

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speaking are pretty similar kind
like Idaho, mmm.

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And so I kind of gotten used to
that difference because I live

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in the Northwest as well.
I grew up in California, moved

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up as an address right after
soon.

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After my second child was born
in 2003 up to Washington State

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and lived up there for 45 years
and it's a California and

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Washington.
Culturally and in the church at

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least is really very similar.
Hmm.

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And then you move to Arizona and
Utah and it's kind of it's a

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different culture for sure.
And so it was it was very you go

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from There's not enough people
to do callings to, there's too

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many people and so now I got to
make up callings.

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Yep so me and my wife for for
time for couple years we moved

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out to the eastern shore of
Maryland and I remember our

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steak boundaries went from like
literally the very tip of the

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this peninsula called the
Delmarva Peninsula where there

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was a part of Virginia, Maryland
and Delaware and And our steak

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went clear took in all of
Delaware took in a large portion

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of Maryland.
They had to do state conference

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like two weekends in a row,
right?

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Because they do it in in certain
spots and just trying to make

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travel easier.
And I remember yeah, my home

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teaching route was literally.
It was like, literally, I was

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looking at it one day on Google
Earth and it was like a 75-mile

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radius, right?
For my home teaching I've ever

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had That.
And then, from there we moved,

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we moved back to Idaho.
We moved to Meridian which is

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just as bad as Utah as you can
get without being in Utah.

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And I remember thinking my word
is like my neighborhood, right?

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And it was such a, it was such a
shift, right?

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There was an award that I served
on my mission, that was

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literally like, two blocks like
it was ever.

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There were there were only two
non-members in the ward

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boundaries, right?
Eight right?

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Yeah.
No, you know it's funny when we

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moved to Utah, I thought moving
to Utah for years.

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I mean years, I was like not
going to do it, I Love The

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Gospel but Mormons drive me
nuts, sometimes and I don't

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want, I don't want to do it and
when I got here, I kind of fell

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in love with it right in a weird
sort of way.

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I can't explain it.
I just kind of did and one of

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the things I always paid
attention to was the work.

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You were doing with defending
you.

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Utah, because I felt like I felt
like it was important work and

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we'll get into that a little
later on why I felt that way.

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But what was it that brought you
into this line of work?

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I mean, nobody ever starts out
like saying, hey, I'm gonna go

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out and defend people's Liberty.
You know when you're 8 years

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old, right.
I mean what what was it that

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attracted you to it?
Sure.

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So you know, I don't think of it
as politics, right?

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But it's kind of you get
introduced to it through

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politics, right?
I'd grown up there very

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involved, my I was like five
years old volunteering with my

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dad at the Republican Party
Booth at the county fair and,

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you know, that kind of stuff and
you know, even as a teenager

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same thing and then in but two
weeks together, time frame, my

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father dies and we have my first
child.

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And so, like my whole like, oh
my goodness, you know, the whole

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world changes, somebody's
dependent upon me.

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And I don't have somebody there.
That's really kind of Like to

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get a direct it and whatnot.
And so I was like, okay, I've

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gotta I've gotta figure this out
and so I know I've always been a

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believer in the gospel and and
it came to a point where it's

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like, okay, well it's not just
for Sunday's, how does the

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gospel apply to every part of my
life?

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And, and I got my Dad's life
librarian in his, in his

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Library, he had books like the
naked capitalist by Cleon

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skousen, goddamn the country.
And when I went to college at

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Rick's, I had read.
What's it called?

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An enemy hath done.
This by Ezra Taft Benson and so

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I'd gotten that introduction,
you know back then in in

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college.
But then at this point it really

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kind of I just like, okay, you
know, this is the stuff that

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that Liberty agency.
The thing that got us a body in

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the first place is what the
gospel is all about on the

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day-to-day.
Not just going to church, read

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my scriptures, say my prayers,
you know?

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And so I wanted to know how what
do I do about is there something

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to be done about this?
Because if not, I will go back

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to sleep and be in my Blissful
ignorance and just go about my

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life.
But but the more I read the

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scriptures and the more I read
the words of the prophets, the

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more I realized that, no there
something had to be done.

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And so I read a talk and
actually, I watched the talk by

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Benson called Stand Up For
Freedom, where he was.

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He said that the most effective
non-search organization in the

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fight for Freedom was the John
Birch Society.

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So for me at that time, being
really, you know, I was like

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okay politics, you know,
single-issue organizations, but

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because they recognized that
there was a conspiracy as here

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combination that we were
fighting, that's, you know, that

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was a whole different level
that, you know, importance and

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so, I became a volunteer.
In fact, I came on staff, I

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worked for them for over a
decade.

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I directed all of the activities
for the John Birch Society, for

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over 10 years.
In the Western United States.

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Real quick, can I ask you a
quick question, you talk about

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seeing stuff going wrong, right?
And you're like I gotta do

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something.
What were you seeing?

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That was really bothering you.
Yeah, because like, you know,

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nowadays it's more obvious.
Right.

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So what what would someone
thinking about in the year 2000?

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That was horrible.
These were perfect back then and

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so you had the Patriot Act that
was you know, beginning and I

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was like, you know, I had my in
my Awakening, you know, I'm I

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hate the idea of being awake, I
don't consider myself awake.

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I'm Awakening so in the
beginning of my Awakening

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because we should always be
learning and waking up to things

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that we don't know.
I was like I thought that the

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Republicans were good and I was
like, okay, George w--, Bush

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wouldn't do x with the Patriot
Act but I don't want to give the

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present that power because What
if another Bill Clinton came in

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and so I want I just want to be
a principal.

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I was like we can't let our guy
do it even though he's good

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because of bad guys going to get
in there and so I was like we

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got to stop that and and then
the schools were just getting

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just you know even back then
we're really bad.

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There's a lot of stuff going on
in the school system with

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especially in California where
they were they were showing

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every single sex act, every
single one 12 kids and under the

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guise of fighting child abuse.
And so, they're like, if

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somebody does this to you and
they show them the ACT that's

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abuse.
And so it was just like

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over-the-top ridiculous.
And and so, you know, we had a

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tax on property rights.
A lot of the things that we're

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seeing now.
On steroids were we're going on

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then, they've been going on for,
you know, 100 200 years, you

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know, since at least the 1840s
1830s and so they're just

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progressively getting Worse all
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that's when it's really bad.
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bad for a long time, you know, I
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to, to kind of the, the
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Constitution founding documents
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you know, founding fathers role
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silliest thing.
So, this is about 2004, right?

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really trace your life back
through a series of deflection

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points, right?
Yeah, one of those came for me

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when me and a buddy went to
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game.
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fan and he was a huge Philly fan
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and were like, I wonder if they
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they played on a Monday night.
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and we thought, well, we'll go
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we'll just kind of see the See
the Liberty Bell, that sort of

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into Independence Hall, and when
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chairs lined up just like you
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guide saying, right there is
where Washington sat to preside

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over it and I get goosebumps to
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because the hairs on my arms
stood up and the spirit

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manifested and said something
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and you need to know what
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Now I've always been a fan of
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colonial era, right?
It was it was more like Civil

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War.
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Ancient history, Western Civ,
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So all of a sudden I start
diving into books, right?

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it first.
I'm disappointed because it's

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just a bunch of Scholars saying,
what they think they meant,

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right?
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notes, right?
And I start looking at that and

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I see the original arguments
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And you're right there, anyone
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they feel like oh crap because
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weird.
Way off course we have we have

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done this the exit right?
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at and so and listening to how
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kind of waking up to it.
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So anyway, so you're heading up
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coordinators and direct the
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stuff.
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the John Birch Society and I You
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here in Utah with that work.
And just kind of were like, okay

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these things are going on this
conspiracy exists.

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really a battle between Christ
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wouldn't it make sense is the
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Wouldn't it make sense that
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Guess where God's kingdom is
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this road of saying, okay how
how can we find out if they're

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do you know this are they doing
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they're doing in other places?
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premise that I started defending
Utah with and then now doing

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Liberty to help everybody
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case study of how it was done
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Because everybody thinks oh
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bad.
At the UN, we don't have un

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troops here but every city just
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United Nations programs.
I was that happening.

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And so really doing that case,
studies helped us.

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So now we're with the tree of
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that same thing and we're
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happens.
So that way you can identify who

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they are and how its implemented
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And it's been a huge thing to be
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Utah.
Because I've always been a

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history guy.
But like growing up, I always

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found Pioneer Day to be
horrifically boring.

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Pioneers are, you know, I
equated it to, you know, you've

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got, we've got in, you know, we
learn about the pioneers of the

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Donner Party and, and whatnot.
So I'm just like, oh, these guys

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were just crossing the desert
and going through troubles

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because they wanted to get
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Around the Y.
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That's What Makes history.
Interesting, not the names and

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the dates and the locations.
You help me they're important

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but what makes it interesting as
the why and I never understood

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the why until I started to
uncover how the conspiracy got

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into Utah?
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Well and you bring up a good
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degree I think it's done on
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I think the here that you have a
rewriting of history and then

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you have a dumbing down of
History just so kids don't look

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too deep right.
The thing is that when you

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understand the why you can kind
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audience because I do this quite
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But as a surveyor you got to
know where your bearing is.

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You have know where you are.
You got to know where you are

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and then you have to know how
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Yep.
And so when you wake up and you

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just kind of start seeing this,
this crap all around, you're

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like, how did we get here?
How do we get this far off?

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And the only way you can really
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the Story.
The why what happened at certain

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times within our country and
what was what was the end goal?

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And when you start to figure
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starts dropping into place and
so now I find Pioneer Day just

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an immensely fascinated.
I love this time of year because

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I consider July to be
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same principles that the
founding fathers were fighting

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for Studio.
Independence from England is the

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same reason why the saints were
fleeing the United States, to

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come to Deseret and to declare
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And if we understand that that
it just opens up a whole new

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world to understanding why the
saints were coming here.

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Why that's important, why it's
amazing.

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And a lot of the revisionism
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Good people is really Falls
away.

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Yeah, you know, and I'm reminded
I'm ramaiah and that's just it,

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right?
You talked about this earlier a

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little bit.
We often look at our problems

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and and the the issues that
we're facing as issues that are

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unique to our time.
And I the more I look at

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history, the more I realized
that's not true.

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We ain't nothing special, right?
That's not true.

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The same fight that we had at
the very beginning is the same

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fight.
Having now and it all boils down

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to can man rule himself and then
reap the benefits and the and

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the consequences of his actions.
Yep.

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There was one plan that was set
forth that said You can do this

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not everyone's going to make but
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The other plan was, I'll get
everybody back but there's not

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going to be this agency thing.
That that seems to be high high

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up on your list of things with
this other plan.

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So it's the same fight that
we've always been vaping always

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and when give up no and when you
look at that and you put that

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into perspective, all of a
sudden you realize that this

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idea of a Promised Land Did
America was isn't such a foreign

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concept.
It's the same idea that the

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children of Israel had.
And in fact if you go back to

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some of our earliest Founders
and I'm sure I'm not telling you

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anything, you don't know, John
went through when they're coming

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across on the boat and he puts
his people under a covenant, and

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he talks about, you know,
embracing each other and

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familiar Commerce and willing to
mourn with those in Bear one

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another's burdens.
It sounds it awfully remarkable

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to what's in the Book of Mormon.
When Alma is about ready to

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baptize.
It's almost the same Covenant in

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the founders even recognized it.
I mean, one of our original

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seals was supposed to be the
children of Israel being led by

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the pillar of fire.
So this, all this battle that

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we're facing right now.
It's very much a continuation of

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or at least, I believe it's a
continuation of the same battle

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we've always been having
absolutely So real quick, what

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was your impetus for starting
defending Utah?

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It was, it was that it was.
How do we we have these things

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happening in our neighborhoods?
They're being implemented.

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But, you know, there's a, you
know, like the John Birch side.

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There's the got a good groups
out there explaining what's

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going on in Congress, what's
going on at the United Nations

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but nobody understood how the
conspiracy was being implemented

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locally.
And so we I sought out to find

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out what that was.
How was this happening?

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And so, if you go onto the tree
of Liberty societies, YouTube

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channel, and you look up, the
conspiracy and you tarsier

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combinations in Utah.
You can see the presentation in

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ful, where I go into detail, on
how that happened.

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Because nobody, this is, I don't
like to toot my own horn, but

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literally nobody has done this
research before and nobody has

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been able to find that out and
say, until now, to discover how

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the Council on Foreign
Relations, how the United

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Nations, how the Bohemian Grove
house going bones house, The

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Federal Reserve, all these
things got into Utah.

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How and and and why are these
and how is that affecting us

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culturally speaking?
Why is it that you know we have

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a state where the people are
pro-constitution but our state

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legislature and our Governors
are just bending over and

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accepting every single federal
and United Nations mandate and

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program.
Why is it that the Republicans

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are you know destroying the
family and are destroying

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property rights and our
Communities to implement Agenda,

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21 programs.
You know, the list goes, why

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it's not happening on an
accident and so to understand

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that was so vital.
And so that's that's why we

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started.
That is why I started defending

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Utah and that's why to bring
that to everybody else is why

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I'm now moved over to tree of
Liberty Society.

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So let me ask you this.
There was a ton of things you

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could have done, right?
You could have just printed

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pamphlets you could have started
a group of like-minded people

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which which defending Utah was.
But the YouTube videos, that's

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what I find fascinating.
And I guess I find it

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fascinating because I know what
my moment was when I decided I

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was going to get behind a
microphone with no experience

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doing it right.
What was the impetus for that?

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What was it?
Particularly because here's the

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thing Andre in in looking at all
your videos and watching all

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those you do a darn good job of
being presentable.

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So that was this was this
something that you Had from like

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your day job so to speak or and
and then what what made you look

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at YouTube?
And we'll go.

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Yeah, that's it right there.
Yeah, so I'm the last person

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that should be doing YouTuber,
writing articles.

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I I was I'm an English fail.
You know, I failed English got

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no business writing articles and
I stutter and I'm shy.

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And so I've got no business
speaking and I've got no

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business being in front of
people and so, but it was just

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one of those things where I felt
a religious, you know, an

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obligation to my Father in
Heaven that you know, I didn't

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see it being done and so I'll do
it until somebody comes along

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and does it better.
And, and so with my background

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with the John Birch Society, I
had a lot of the details and I

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knew how to do the research.
And so I just threw practice and

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getting past those fears and,
you know, learning ways to get

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to not.
Be obviously, stuttering,

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people.
Don't know that I'm doing it.

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It helps.
You know, I just was like,

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Articles are good, people learn
from different ways.

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And so people learn from reading
people learn you know, Audible

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and so I was just like I just
need to put content out in every

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different platform so that way
no matter what, people how

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people enjoy consuming content,
there's something for them.

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And so and then YouTube just
kind of it just the way that the

447
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,300
format is because you can show
things, you know, I can talk

448
00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:11,600
about stuff of the podcast and,
you know, you can do certain

449
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,400
things with with writing stuff
as a Article but just with

450
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,000
videos it's just so much easier
to be able to hey look, you can,

451
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,200
I've got a video of this guy
saying this thing.

452
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,200
Look, I'm not making this up,
watch this.

453
00:26:22,700 --> 00:26:27,200
And so, you know, YouTube filled
that special Niche to be able to

454
00:26:27,700 --> 00:26:32,600
make it more real the people Do
you remember what was it like

455
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,300
your first time jumping on
there, right?

456
00:26:35,300 --> 00:26:37,400
It's one thing to think about it
academically.

457
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,300
It's another thing when the
video fires up and you're like

458
00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:45,000
here we go.
Right was lots of lots of cuts

459
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,200
and lots of edits.
Let's take starts and yeah you

460
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,600
just yet, I go back to
something, they're still on

461
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,600
their, My First episodes are
still on there.

462
00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:57,200
I go back and I'm like, oh, just
so cringe.

463
00:26:57,500 --> 00:26:59,500
I know, I know, I'm the same way
with this.

464
00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:03,500
And I've only done, I've only
done right at 20 episodes now,

465
00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:08,100
but I remember when I, when I
had the inspiration to do this

466
00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:10,800
podcast, I was laying in bed in
a hotel room.

467
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,900
I was out of town for work, and
I never sleep.

468
00:27:13,900 --> 00:27:16,200
Well, when I'm out of town for
work, I just don't, I feel I'm

469
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,100
away from my family, things do
feel disjointed.

470
00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:23,800
And I had this idea that that
just came to me out of nowhere.

471
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,700
And I remember I stopped off
because I was close enough, I

472
00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:32,400
could drive Where I was working.
So I stopped off at Best Buy on

473
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,300
my way home and picked up a new
laptop and a, and a microphone,

474
00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:37,400
my wife's like, what are you
doing?

475
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,800
And I told her and she was like,
well, it's not the dumbest idea

476
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,800
you've had, so you know, gonna
go for it.

477
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,400
But ya know.
It's a big leap, man.

478
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,900
I and to see how far you've
come.

479
00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:49,600
It's just been awesome.
Yeah.

480
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:55,300
So so let's I want to talk for a
second and you alluded to it but

481
00:27:55,300 --> 00:27:59,500
I want to stay kind of central
to Utah on that Mormon corridor.

482
00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:01,500
Right?
Yeah, because I feel like they

483
00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:04,900
are so close, right?
Yeah, you can look at Idaho,

484
00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:08,200
especially Southern Idaho and be
like really, it's northern Utah,

485
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,600
right?
I mean, it's it's a direct

486
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,700
support, for sure, right?
It's that close in terms of, you

487
00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:17,400
know, the culture and the
population that sort of absolute

488
00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:22,100
Talk to me a little bit about
how those secret combinations

489
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:26,200
managed to worm their way into
Utah because let's, let's not

490
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,300
forget when the saints come to
Utah, they're leaving the United

491
00:28:30,300 --> 00:28:32,400
States.
Yeah, absolutely.

492
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,700
They are leaving the country.
They're like, hey, this has been

493
00:28:35,700 --> 00:28:37,800
great.
But later days you've killed a

494
00:28:37,808 --> 00:28:41,600
bunch of people were out and so
they come out here and it's

495
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:46,400
round that nobody wants, right?
I mean, it's it's Barren, even

496
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,600
the Indians didn't utilize.
Is it a whole bunch?

497
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:55,000
And so you would think they'd be
fairly isolated at what?

498
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,700
At what point when do those
secret combinations?

499
00:28:57,700 --> 00:29:02,500
Begin to flow into Utah and
under what guys are they coming?

500
00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:07,000
Yeah, so they mean, it really
started even before we came

501
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,000
here, everybody knows about
John, see Bennett, you know, and

502
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,300
at what a, what a horrible
creepy was right.

503
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,200
And but he was able to make his
way into positions of power and

504
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:20,800
authority, but after the death
of the prophet, Him and a guy

505
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,500
that they, you know, pretend to
be enemies of each other James

506
00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:28,800
string, they combine together,
and they form a chapter of the

507
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,200
Illuminati, this is in the pages
of my book and it's in the

508
00:29:31,300 --> 00:29:34,300
that's coming out and it's, you
know, it's these are papers.

509
00:29:34,300 --> 00:29:36,800
I've got the handwritten papers
that are at the Yale, special

510
00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:39,500
special archives of this
organization.

511
00:29:39,500 --> 00:29:42,500
They formed together called the
Illuminati and it's, you know,

512
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,300
it's all connected to those same
things.

513
00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:50,200
And that's why the conspiracy
from the GetGo at the succession

514
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,400
crisis was going after Brigham
Young because that's they knew

515
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,400
that's where it was at.
And that's where they that's

516
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,600
where Satan had to focus his
attack on and in the began that

517
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,500
way.
And so soon as we soon as we

518
00:30:02,508 --> 00:30:07,200
come out to Utah, you know,
those same forces, followed us

519
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:12,700
out here.
And so it continues on where we

520
00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:17,600
have these, you know, people
smaller groups of people.

521
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,100
There are well At the time, they
were frankly, pretty large,

522
00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:25,200
their Gentiles came out here as
Miners.

523
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:30,400
And, as railroad workers and
whatnot, and they, and they were

524
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,400
not just, you know, blue collar
workers.

525
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:39,200
We, these people that came out
here were, especially when the

526
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,900
feds got involved.
These were people that were of

527
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:47,100
influence and people of power.
And they were groups that were

528
00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:49,500
started called one was called,
Gentile league in one's called

529
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:54,400
the look The Loyal League and
judge William Hayden came out

530
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,700
and said, if they're, if they're
planned to destroy Mormonism was

531
00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:01,100
stopped, there would be blood in
the streets.

532
00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:04,900
And so, and at the time, there
was two thousand members of this

533
00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:07,700
group that they themselves call
the secret society.

534
00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:12,000
And, and so, that's a pretty big
group today, but just think of

535
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:17,200
the population, the size it was
back then and and that's a much

536
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,100
bigger, you know.
Section of the population that

537
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:23,500
is working to undermine the
church from within.

538
00:31:23,500 --> 00:31:26,600
And then you've got guys like
William God, be who does things

539
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,800
from within as opposed to the
outward.

540
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:31,700
Because, you know, as those
groups were really putting

541
00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:34,200
pressure on the Saints, they did
really well and staying

542
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,100
together.
You had the Reformation movement

543
00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:39,700
of the 1850s, where the saints
were repenting and he had these

544
00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:43,500
big Miracles.
And, and then you've got William

545
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:47,100
God be coming in and, and, and
trying to shake things up

546
00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:49,700
saying, oh, no, no.
Want to, you know, bring in

547
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,200
Commerce from New York.
There's too much suffering here.

548
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,200
The Saints are too poor, we need
to be more like the people in

549
00:31:55,208 --> 00:31:58,400
New York and San Francisco.
And so you start to see these

550
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,300
things really start to unravel
with, you know, at that point.

551
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,400
Yeah, let me, let's unpack that
a little bit.

552
00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:10,600
So you're right in the sense
that almost immediately.

553
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,300
Especially once, you know, the
railroads here and you start

554
00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:18,300
finding out just how
mineral-rich Utah is I think

555
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,900
That's when you see kind of
those white collar guy, starting

556
00:32:20,900 --> 00:32:28,300
to come up right?
You have definitely the Pierre

557
00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:32,100
hotel in downtown.
Salt Lake was a hotel that was

558
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:38,500
designed just for those folks
coming in from out of state so

559
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,500
they're definitely establishing
a presence.

560
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,600
Now God be if I'm not mistaken
and please, correct me if I'm

561
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,400
wrong I'm used to being wrong
here.

562
00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:52,800
He was a Higher up with in the
LDS church but was also into the

563
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,100
practice of the occult.
Is that correct?

564
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,700
So he was very, really I
wouldn't say he held like any

565
00:32:59,900 --> 00:33:03,500
really special high up callings
but he was definitely close with

566
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:05,100
leaders.
He married Brigham, Young's

567
00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:08,500
daughter, you know, they're
very, very close, you know,

568
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:10,000
friends with with him at that
point.

569
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,800
But yes, he was definitely an
occultist.

570
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,000
Had you know what?
Go to New York?

571
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,100
Instead of going to General
Conference to go see a very

572
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:23,900
famous Soothsayer, you know,
those guys that will speak in a

573
00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:27,900
dead person's voice and and
speak as if they were him and

574
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,500
here in Utah, he would do his
home was always filled with

575
00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:36,400
table tapping and, and seances
and those types of things.

576
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,900
And, and he tried to hide that
in his excommunication trial.

577
00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:44,100
He wanted to make sure that that
part of it wasn't ever brought

578
00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:47,700
up because he knew that that
would just kind of seal the deal

579
00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:51,500
and He just he in his
excommunication trial he wanted

580
00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:53,500
to make sure that was never ever
a thing.

581
00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:56,900
It was all about how he didn't
think that the church could you

582
00:33:56,900 --> 00:34:00,500
know should tell you what to do.
And so that's what they wanted

583
00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:01,900
to.
He wanted to focus it on because

584
00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:05,800
he knew he was toast if they
brought in the his practicing

585
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,300
the occult right.
And what's interesting.

586
00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:14,699
As you read, early LDS history,
early, Mormon history in the

587
00:34:14,699 --> 00:34:18,300
Utah period.
Yeah you get a sense.

588
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,400
It's that Brigham knows
something's up, right?

589
00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:24,900
Because he says so we like in
the in the What's called the

590
00:34:24,900 --> 00:34:26,800
prophets minutes.
These you know, the says there's

591
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,900
a conspiracy going on.
Yep.

592
00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:33,800
And and he even makes it and
it's so interesting to see just

593
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:39,100
what what kind of vision he had,
because he even makes a pretty

594
00:34:39,100 --> 00:34:43,400
impassioned.
Declaration concerning Public

595
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,100
Schools, you know, he's like you
know basically saying if we

596
00:34:47,100 --> 00:34:51,600
import the System.
You can expect that.

597
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,600
We'll have Babylon here and so
he understands that there's

598
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,000
there's a fight going on.
So to speak, between these

599
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,400
forces that are coming in and
him trying to defend, what

600
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,400
they've staked out out here at
what point.

601
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,500
Would you say that?
Those those combinations become

602
00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:18,100
firmly entrenched.
That is a firmly entrenched

603
00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:20,400
firmly.
The entrenched it is, it's not

604
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,300
like a they're like there's not
Hardline, right?

605
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,300
It's not like, okay, June June
5th, we're good.

606
00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:30,500
June 6 were bad.
This gradual change, right?

607
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,100
And you really start to see it
where, you know, in the 1880s

608
00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:38,500
when the church leaders are on
the Underground and the church

609
00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:42,400
members are sending Anonymous
letters to the present, the

610
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,900
church to get him to back off
and to say, hey just do what the

611
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:48,000
government says.
We have to obey the law of the

612
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:54,800
land and and then we have, then
you go to, you know, when the

613
00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:00,300
Manifest of comes out and and
then you go after that, where

614
00:36:00,300 --> 00:36:04,000
the leaders of the church go and
meet with the bankers you had

615
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,700
Wilford, Woodruff you go and
meet with the people at the

616
00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:11,600
Bohemian Club that hosts the
Bohemian Grove and trying to

617
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,300
get, you know, bank loans
because the church is in such

618
00:36:14,300 --> 00:36:17,400
Dire Straits because of all the
lawsuits and because of the

619
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,100
government stealing, all Their
property and so they're just so

620
00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:22,200
desperate that, you know, they
don't know what to do.

621
00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:25,100
And so they're just grasping at,
you know, where can we find some

622
00:36:25,100 --> 00:36:29,400
cash to just stay afloat?
And so, and, and, and then you

623
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,100
move into the 1900s with the
read smoothie hearing and the

624
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:37,400
attacks, you know, on the church
during that time to be able to,

625
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,600
you know, seek an apostle into
the US Senate.

626
00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:45,400
And, and then you really, I
think, you know, it's a one,

627
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,200
each of those phases.
You have these steps.

628
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:54,600
Where we, as a culture, we open
ourselves up and we become more

629
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,900
and more like the world.
And so, by the time you have the

630
00:36:58,900 --> 00:37:02,700
1920s and 30s were fully
entrenched.

631
00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:05,000
The conspiracy is fully
entrenched, in Utah.

632
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,700
And as a society, we've gone
from, you know, I defy the

633
00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:13,600
United States with John Taylor
to we are faithful obedient

634
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,700
subjects, right?
Right.

635
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,700
You know, it Oh and here's the
thing, the attacks on Brigham

636
00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:24,600
haven't stopped the right to
increase in recent years.

637
00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:26,200
Yeah.
I mean if you look at what's

638
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,300
happening down at BYU it's a
little frightening, right?

639
00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:32,700
When when when when you start
seeing the namesake of the

640
00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:38,500
University, you know, suffering
from cancel culture, so to

641
00:37:38,500 --> 00:37:41,200
speak.
It's a Spooky environment.

642
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,800
I didn't buildings.
Why not change the name of the

643
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,000
University?
If you're going to apply the

644
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,100
same logic, right?
Exactly.

645
00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:49,800
I just did inefficient age.
Dead in one of my earlier

646
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,400
episodes.
One of the things we sought to

647
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:58,600
take part so hard was what I was
noticing in in kind of the

648
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,800
blogosphere if you will of
Mormonism and that was this idea

649
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,200
of kids coming out of BYU.
Having this idea that, that

650
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,000
really calm, you know, that that
the United order is nothing but

651
00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:14,600
communism with a religious bent
that's been the charge.

652
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,200
You know, since we're forever
you had to Marion G Romney had

653
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,400
to do a talk at You the strain
them out back in the 60s.

654
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,400
So I mean it's right and the
argument for forever, right?

655
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:29,000
And it's raising its head again
and and in frightening ways so

656
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,700
Utah finds Itself by the 20s.
And 30s pretty well firmly

657
00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:37,500
entrenched in In this idea of
we're going to be loyal subjects

658
00:38:37,500 --> 00:38:41,300
and and I get why, right?
I mean, these are people who who

659
00:38:41,300 --> 00:38:45,200
have, you know, certainly their
grandparents saw, what kind of

660
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,000
Horrors can come when you defy,
you know, defy the

661
00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:51,400
powers-that-be.
It's not a fun place to be, but

662
00:38:51,700 --> 00:38:55,200
those concessions are made.
And and you get the feeling that

663
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,200
is those concessions were made
that local government.

664
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,800
Have this idea of well, we'll
give them this and then they'll

665
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,300
be happy, right?
Just kind of appeasement.

666
00:39:04,500 --> 00:39:09,100
And it didn't pan out that way.
Well, I think you like you see

667
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,900
when after the manifesto comes
out in the 1890s, it did for a

668
00:39:13,908 --> 00:39:15,700
while, right?
And that's, I think that cat

669
00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:22,700
that was the Trap was we and
this isn't really a part of the

670
00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:25,400
conspiracy itself.
This is just how the culture was

671
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,300
able to change to accept the
conspiracy and so, because we

672
00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:32,700
accepted these things, then when
the government we said, okay,

673
00:39:32,700 --> 00:39:35,000
here's the manifesto.
And so, the government actually

674
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:40,000
like goes on Just takes the
initiative and starts to give

675
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,500
us, you know, some some freedoms
back and so church leaders are

676
00:39:43,508 --> 00:39:47,100
like, oh wow, that's they're
feeling like this is great, you

677
00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:48,700
know?
And so they're feeling and so

678
00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:52,400
that after the manifesto, the
the changes that were after that

679
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,200
were like, oh that's you know.
That's tiny.

680
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,300
You know?
In comparison.

681
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,100
Sure.
We will, we will totally make

682
00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:02,600
some deals and they also believe
in this was a, this is a problem

683
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,700
that we have today.
It's a problem that, you know,

684
00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:08,900
for the last The 1830s that
Christians have had in general,

685
00:40:08,900 --> 00:40:14,000
is this idea of, you know, the
savior's coming any minute now?

686
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:19,200
And so we can give up certain
about ideas and it's okay

687
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,900
because Jesus is coming back and
he's gonna fix it.

688
00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:25,300
That's, that's the mindset.
And so this was the mindset

689
00:40:25,300 --> 00:40:26,500
back.
Then you have talked by, you

690
00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:29,900
know, and and and correspondence
with Wilford Woodruff and

691
00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:33,200
Lorenzo Snow, it's like, this
really this stinks, but but the

692
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,500
savior's coming back and so it
really quickly and it's You

693
00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:38,500
know, this isn't gonna be a
problem the next ten years, so,

694
00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:42,500
so it's okay.
And so we fall for these, you

695
00:40:42,500 --> 00:40:46,400
know there, I love them.
As, you know, I love those men.

696
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,700
I believe them as to be, you
know, the key holders and and

697
00:40:49,700 --> 00:40:53,500
the continuation of authority
from Joseph Smith, but they are

698
00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:58,300
men, and just like Joseph Smith
accepted John, you know, William

699
00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:02,000
John, see Bennett as a member of
The Twelve you know, other

700
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,300
leaders do similar things that
you know, are mistakes.

701
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,500
All make mistakes.
And so that was one of the

702
00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:11,900
mistakes that they did was it
was thinking that it's okay to

703
00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:16,200
do these things because the
savior's coming any day now.

704
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,000
And so and and then that just
got into.

705
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,600
And at the same time, right?
You have these groups I

706
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,300
mentioned earlier where you have
the Loyal League of the Gentile

707
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:28,900
League where they were just in
your face and then you have

708
00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:31,500
these other softer organizations
like the altar Club where their

709
00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:36,200
job is to just you know be nice,
the slow.

710
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:41,100
You know, Fabian socialist route
of just one, we're just going to

711
00:41:41,107 --> 00:41:45,100
boil that frog very, very slowly
to not shake them, don't get

712
00:41:45,100 --> 00:41:47,100
them at, don't get into jump out
on his own just cook them

713
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:50,400
slowly.
And and so the with with they

714
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,700
formed the Salt Lake chamber of
commerce as a way to be able to

715
00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:59,200
influence businesses and
influence legislation to bring

716
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:04,700
it to in the according their own
biography was to bring Utah into

717
00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:09,400
the same Sure as the rest of the
United States, this culture that

718
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,700
we just fleed, they are trying
to slowly emerges back in.

719
00:42:12,700 --> 00:42:14,000
They realized that they couldn't
do it.

720
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,400
All in one, big step had to be
one small step at a time and so

721
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,500
that's what they're these
organizations jobs are to do.

722
00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:25,900
And then you know that that the
they were able to creep into the

723
00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:28,900
culture where we were believing
in being economically

724
00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:32,100
independent or they're like no
hey look, look how much easier

725
00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:33,600
it is to go to the department
store.

726
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,200
You don't have to do all these
things yourself, you know?

727
00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:37,800
No.
And so now we're going to

728
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,400
Gentiles.
We're big building up Gentile

729
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,100
businesses and so that's one
small.

730
00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:43,900
The conspiracy gets us to do
that.

731
00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:48,500
And then, you know, we bring in
these free schools and the

732
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:52,300
Latter Day Saints are like man,
these trips schools are too

733
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:54,400
expensive and it's too much of a
sacrifice.

734
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,900
These other religions in the
government's given this, these

735
00:42:56,900 --> 00:42:58,400
free schools.
Let's just send our kids to

736
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,500
that.
And now these children are being

737
00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:03,600
brainwashed and so that changes
the culture more because they're

738
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,700
bringing it really school is
like, School.

739
00:43:06,700 --> 00:43:09,600
Right every there it's Sunday.
School is meaning one day a

740
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,900
week.
We're going to teach you the

741
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,400
truth.
Whereas Monday through Friday,

742
00:43:15,700 --> 00:43:18,900
we're going to teach you the
doctrines of the state and so

743
00:43:19,900 --> 00:43:22,700
that changes the culture over
time as well where now they're

744
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:25,900
really accepting of new ideas
and so it's really easy.

745
00:43:25,900 --> 00:43:29,800
When you have Heber J Grant in
general conference.

746
00:43:30,100 --> 00:43:34,000
Literally telling a story of how
he spoke to the head of the

747
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,100
Federal Reserve said, we will
put Put, I will put any

748
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,000
requirement there is over the
people of Utah.

749
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,700
If you will give us a branch of
the Federal Reserve, we will in

750
00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:48,800
and they talked and then he's
going to talk talks about how we

751
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,800
and we borrowed the money like
we were supposed to.

752
00:43:51,100 --> 00:43:54,600
So we go into from this idea of
being economically independence

753
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,800
of, you know, neither a
borrower, nor A lender be to

754
00:43:58,300 --> 00:44:03,100
bring in the Federal Reserve
guys and get those loans, right?

755
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:06,000
So we start to really entrench
ourselves.

756
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,600
Um, with accepting the
conspiracies here, building up

757
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,100
these monuments and building up
these institutions and changing

758
00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:16,200
the culture to get the Saints to
accept them.

759
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,400
It's the, it's the, the old
in-your-face, Route didn't work,

760
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,100
and they realize that they
couldn't come in here, and, and

761
00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:25,300
strangle you and threaten that,
you know, if they came in here

762
00:44:25,300 --> 00:44:28,000
and said, you get a loan from
the bank or were throwing you in

763
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,800
jail, you're like, oh wait, I'm
not getting a loan, you can

764
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,200
throw me in jail go you know,
pound sand but you know, you

765
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,200
take the soft approach of.
Look how How much things you

766
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,800
know, how much more things we
can get done.

767
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,800
How much more prosperous we are.
And prosperity means blessings

768
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,600
blessings being righteousness.
We are just, you know, all's

769
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,200
well in Zion.
So I want I want to go back.

770
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:53,300
You're just a bit and I want to
break down three organizations

771
00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:56,500
because as I look at it and you
again correct me if I'm wrong,

772
00:44:56,500 --> 00:45:00,300
then you're the expert here.
But when you're talking about

773
00:45:00,300 --> 00:45:04,800
Utah, there seems to be three or
four groups that I feel like

774
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,700
really have their Hands on the
lever so to speak, especially in

775
00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:13,100
those early days, one is the
Alta Club, right?

776
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,100
The other is the Gentile, leaky
talked about.

777
00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:20,700
Yeah, and the third, I would I
would dare to say is is Bohemian

778
00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:26,300
Grove so real quick talk to me a
little bit about what each of

779
00:45:26,308 --> 00:45:30,800
those organizations were So
yeah, I would say that they have

780
00:45:30,808 --> 00:45:33,500
differing levels of influence in
Utah.

781
00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:38,300
So you have the Bohemian Club
there, they have a headquarters,

782
00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:43,600
downstate downtown downtown, San
Francisco and then you know if

783
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,300
your listeners aren't aware
that, you can go down that dark

784
00:45:46,300 --> 00:45:50,200
deep path on the on the internet
and watch the videos of film

785
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,900
footage of what they do at the,
at the retreat.

786
00:45:53,900 --> 00:45:57,700
At the Bohemian Grove every late
summer this time of year up,

787
00:45:57,700 --> 00:46:01,200
just north of Francisco where
the elites that you powerful

788
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:06,700
Elites in Academia in
government, and in, you know, in

789
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:09,900
finance get together.
That's where they plan things

790
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:13,700
like, you know, her Oshima and
that's where they Reagan went.

791
00:46:13,700 --> 00:46:18,000
There Nixon went there, you
know, this is just, it's a who's

792
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,100
who of the powerful Elites, they
get together and they do this

793
00:46:21,100 --> 00:46:23,400
thing called The Cremation of
care where they do a mock Human

794
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,600
Sacrifice, or they do this
religious ceremony, to this owl.

795
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:31,100
God And they turn themselves
over to the, you know, that they

796
00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:36,100
give up the their conscience to
doing the so-called greater,

797
00:46:36,100 --> 00:46:42,100
good of serving Satan.
And so, during the 1800s up till

798
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:46,400
the early 1940s, they
established a branch in Salt

799
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,200
Lake City.
And that's where the underground

800
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,200
sodomite movement was for many,
many years until it became a

801
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:58,900
little more public when The
church patriarch was outed as a

802
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,600
as a sodomite and had to be
removed from his position and

803
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,300
and they had to shuffle things
around.

804
00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:11,000
And so that Bohemian Grove at
the Bohemian Club in Utah that

805
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:15,200
time went back underground.
So that's kind of the little bit

806
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:19,200
of the history there with that
and then you have the Gentile

807
00:47:19,300 --> 00:47:22,300
League.
They again were the more

808
00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:26,100
in-your-face group and they kind
of went away in the Yes, because

809
00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:32,100
from the 1850s to the 1870s that
the strategy was we're just

810
00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:34,600
going to pound you into the sand
and you're going to do what we

811
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,800
say or going to kill you and
they really you know and so that

812
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,100
was that was just what it was.
That was their program to get us

813
00:47:41,100 --> 00:47:46,400
to change and that just made us
in trench and they recognize

814
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:47,800
that and bringing young talked
about that.

815
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,000
He's like you know I you know he
feared the day that we stopped

816
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,600
receiving persecution because
you know, that would make things

817
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:59,000
easier for us.
We would give up and so they had

818
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,700
a lot of pressure to like get
Saints to turn other Saints in

819
00:48:03,100 --> 00:48:05,800
that type of a thing, but
actually changing the culture,

820
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,400
they didn't have much of an
impact.

821
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,300
They were really just the
enforcers of the conspiracy back

822
00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:15,000
in d.c. trying to put the
kibosh, on the Mormons and

823
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,500
Mormonism, and then you go to
the 1880s 1883 and the out.

824
00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:22,100
The club is formed where a lot
of these same individuals get

825
00:48:22,100 --> 00:48:24,200
together and they form a
different group.

826
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,800
And they say, okay let's take
Take the small, the slow

827
00:48:26,900 --> 00:48:30,100
methodical approach where that's
that's where they can.

828
00:48:30,100 --> 00:48:34,800
You know in 1983 the mayor of
Salt Lake said that's where the

829
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,500
establishment in Utah, meets in
secret to you know set up their

830
00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:41,000
plans and what they're going to
do.

831
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:47,600
And so that's that's the meeting
place basically where all of the

832
00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:49,900
different organizations, the
different tentacles, the

833
00:48:49,900 --> 00:48:51,900
conspiracy meet together to
decide.

834
00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:53,100
How are we going to do these
things?

835
00:48:53,100 --> 00:48:55,100
That's where they planned just
in.

836
00:48:55,200 --> 00:49:00,500
Recent times, right?
The the the Utah law that said

837
00:49:00,500 --> 00:49:04,600
that it was about so called
protecting you know, gay rights

838
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,600
where it was about destroying
the ability of property owners

839
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,300
to decide who they want to rent
to and business owners who they

840
00:49:10,300 --> 00:49:13,900
can fire and who they can hire.
And so it was a destruction of

841
00:49:13,900 --> 00:49:16,900
property rights but that was all
negotiated and approved at the

842
00:49:16,900 --> 00:49:22,000
alte club.
You go back to the 1800s where

843
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,000
you have a member of the Alta
Club Judge Williams.

844
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:31,700
Zane was brought a case where a
member of the church had found

845
00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:35,400
out about a brothel and brought
it to the judge and the judge

846
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,500
because they this can, you know,
conspirators.

847
00:49:37,500 --> 00:49:39,500
Like we read the book of Mormon.
They protect each other in their

848
00:49:39,500 --> 00:49:43,200
crimes instead of arrest.
Instead of throwing the guy that

849
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,200
owned the brothel and run.
The ran the brothel in jail.

850
00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:49,600
He throws the Mormon in jail
instead.

851
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:58,600
And so they just it was this was
the through legal means through

852
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,300
cultural.
Means they work to change Utah.

853
00:50:01,300 --> 00:50:04,300
To make us more like the world.
Yeah.

854
00:50:04,500 --> 00:50:07,100
And you brought up another group
that I want to talk about for

855
00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:09,400
just a second.
That's the, the Fabian

856
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:10,700
socialist.
Yeah.

857
00:50:10,700 --> 00:50:14,900
And they're not as well known as
maybe some some of these, you

858
00:50:14,908 --> 00:50:17,900
know, like Bohemian Grove or
something like that but they

859
00:50:17,900 --> 00:50:20,900
were just as Insidious right.
I mean When you do the history

860
00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:23,700
on them, you know, National
level, for sure.

861
00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:26,300
Yeah, right.
They took their name from the

862
00:50:26,300 --> 00:50:31,500
Roman general, Fabian, who was
famous for fighting Wars of

863
00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:33,800
attrition, basically just
saying, you know, I think we can

864
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,700
Outlast.
Yeah, I think we'll just kill

865
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:39,300
you with a Thousand Cuts and
write down two.

866
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:46,300
And I saw one once myself on a,
on a trip that I took back to

867
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,800
England.
You can still see the original

868
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,200
Regional meeting place, where
the Fabian socialist met, and

869
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,000
one of the guys there was George
Bernard Shaw, right?

870
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,000
And he's, he's a, you know,
playwright and he's beloved.

871
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,300
But if you listen to what he
said, he's kind of a horrific

872
00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:06,300
individual, but there's a
stained glass window of them,

873
00:51:06,300 --> 00:51:10,500
kind of heating up the globe and
trying to reshape it more to

874
00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:14,500
their heart's desire, right?
And where they may not have had

875
00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:19,100
Direct ties to Utah.
There certainly seem to be a big

876
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:21,400
hand and kind of The granddaddy
of them all.

877
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,700
Well they, they kind of did.
I mean, indirect well, I mean,

878
00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:27,100
they had people coming here,
you're willing.

879
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:31,600
God, be I mentioned earlier, he
call himself a William, Robert

880
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,800
own Mormon, and so, a lot of
people have no idea.

881
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,300
Robert Owen is, I mean was
right.

882
00:51:38,300 --> 00:51:42,600
And if you went to church on
Sunday and in somebody said, I'm

883
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,900
a robber told Mormon, but they
look at you, like, you were

884
00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:48,300
insane.
But so, but what God be meant by

885
00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:51,900
that was because Robert Owen was
The father of Communism, you

886
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:57,200
know before before Karl Marx
there was Robert Owen, Robert

887
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:01,300
Owen was the one that trained
Karl Marx and who trained.

888
00:52:01,900 --> 00:52:06,500
Robert Owen Madame blavatsky who
started the Lucifer Lucifer

889
00:52:06,700 --> 00:52:10,900
Lucifer trust and the
theosophical society is what it

890
00:52:10,900 --> 00:52:15,100
was changed to afterwards.
And so and so you have Robert

891
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:20,200
Owen who was in the 18 starting
in the 1830s and 1840s 40s in

892
00:52:20,207 --> 00:52:22,700
the United States was setting up
these.

893
00:52:22,700 --> 00:52:29,100
Socialist Utopia has mean, you
know, these communes and Joe, we

894
00:52:29,100 --> 00:52:31,400
read about it and Joseph Smith.
And the history of the church

895
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,300
says he attended a lecture on
socialism and he says he didn't

896
00:52:34,300 --> 00:52:36,500
believe the doctrine.
So that's one.

897
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,600
One extra thing to say, you
know, Joseph Smith taught United

898
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,300
order.
He knew about socialism said, he

899
00:52:42,300 --> 00:52:44,700
didn't believe the doctrine of
socialism, even though we

900
00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:46,100
believe the doctrine of United
order.

901
00:52:46,100 --> 00:52:50,700
So, Joseph Smith, you know, I'd
order socialism at the Thing the

902
00:52:50,700 --> 00:52:53,000
lecture on socialism that he
attended and saying you didn't

903
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,700
believe the doctrine, it was a
Robert Owen lecture on socialism

904
00:52:57,300 --> 00:53:03,100
and so that whole you know that
connection to you know, Robert

905
00:53:03,100 --> 00:53:07,200
Owen all the way to William God
be to Utah and the thing and the

906
00:53:07,207 --> 00:53:12,000
Socialists is pretty clear and
that influenced we can see it

907
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,700
all the way today.
Basically, everything that rock,

908
00:53:13,700 --> 00:53:17,600
that bullying, God the wanted to
move the church to in the 1860s

909
00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:20,900
and 70s is real.
See where the church is at

910
00:53:20,900 --> 00:53:22,200
today.
Yeah.

911
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,600
And you know you mentioned
Madame blavatsky.

912
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:30,700
Yeah.
And and and her societies people

913
00:53:30,700 --> 00:53:35,000
forget that she single-handedly
gave Adolf Hitler.

914
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:42,300
Most of his ideas on the Aryan
race and all those occult myths

915
00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:47,100
that the that the Nazi party
really held to as their gospel

916
00:53:47,500 --> 00:53:49,700
and so this is dark Insidious
stuff.

917
00:53:49,900 --> 00:53:52,500
The more you, you kind of dive
into it.

918
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,400
It's it's hard to call it
conspiracy at this point because

919
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,400
it's all out in the open.
Well, Still conspiracy

920
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,900
conspiracy theory would be in
the alley, you know, is the

921
00:54:01,900 --> 00:54:04,400
thing that's people like, oh,
that's terrorizing, this is a

922
00:54:04,408 --> 00:54:08,300
conspiracy fact.
Most people working in secret to

923
00:54:08,300 --> 00:54:13,000
do evil things.
And, you know, most people like

924
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,800
you say, don't know about it.
And so, even though, even though

925
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,400
the information is available,
the fact that People aren't

926
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,600
knowing about it and they're
not, you know, broadcasting the

927
00:54:22,607 --> 00:54:25,900
news still makes it a secret
and, you know, in most people's

928
00:54:25,900 --> 00:54:27,000
eyes.
But yeah, you're right.

929
00:54:27,100 --> 00:54:29,100
That they are being out in the
open in the information is

930
00:54:29,107 --> 00:54:31,600
there.
And so, if anybody wants it,

931
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,100
it's not hard to find.
Yeah, yeah.

932
00:54:34,100 --> 00:54:37,500
And and the more you look at
these people and you start

933
00:54:37,500 --> 00:54:40,600
seeing who they're associating
with or who picked up there,

934
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:44,600
cause the darker gets, right?
You look at Margaret's, you look

935
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,400
at Margaret Sanger from Planned
Parenthood, who was just adored

936
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,300
by the far left.
She attended klan rallies.

937
00:54:53,100 --> 00:54:58,600
I mean, she was she was a
horrible human being, but yet

938
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:03,100
she is held up as the standard
of of reproductive care, right?

939
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,700
Um, so you start the podcast.
You start your videos?

940
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,400
Yeah.
When did you realize holy cow?

941
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,200
This is gaining traction.
You know, it's you know, it's

942
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,000
one of those things where it's a
slow float regimen, all of a

943
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,500
sudden, you know, you're doing
this for seven eight years and

944
00:55:20,500 --> 00:55:24,800
all of a sudden, boom, it hits.
And it's it was during the fake

945
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:30,300
pandemic 2020.
And we had on a nurse that came

946
00:55:30,300 --> 00:55:34,100
on and she exposed what was
going on and at Intermountain

947
00:55:34,100 --> 00:55:37,700
Healthcare.
And that just, you know, people

948
00:55:37,700 --> 00:55:41,700
were people were itching for the
truth because there was nobody

949
00:55:41,700 --> 00:55:45,400
else really talking about it.
you know, when, when it was two

950
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,100
weeks to flatten the curve and
you couldn't have 10 people at a

951
00:55:49,107 --> 00:55:53,000
meeting, We got people together
at the Capitol.

952
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,500
We had 20 people, when it was
illegal to have 10.

953
00:55:55,500 --> 00:55:58,700
We had 20 at the Capitol having
a picnic in the face of the

954
00:55:58,707 --> 00:56:00,700
governor, right?
And then when it was illegal to

955
00:56:00,700 --> 00:56:03,900
have restaurants open, we go to
a restaurant, we set a picnic

956
00:56:03,900 --> 00:56:09,600
tables and and we lunch at the
at the, at the, at the

957
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,800
restaurant and we open up a
restaurant when they're closed.

958
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:18,400
And so getting these things that
are just so different that was I

959
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,900
think people were just get a mix
of People were reaching for

960
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:23,400
their like that.
I know there's something wrong

961
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,100
but I can't place it.
Here's some people that are you

962
00:56:26,100 --> 00:56:29,600
know doing something and then on
the other side you have these

963
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,300
Psychopaths that I hope they're
embarrassed now that were, you

964
00:56:33,300 --> 00:56:36,300
know, calling the police on us
and calling us biological

965
00:56:36,300 --> 00:56:39,200
terrorists.
And so with you have these

966
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:40,700
people that were so angry with
us.

967
00:56:41,100 --> 00:56:43,600
And you have these people that
were like, recognizing there was

968
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,800
something wrong with the
official line and it was just at

969
00:56:47,100 --> 00:56:50,600
just the right right time that
we were putting stuff together.

970
00:56:50,700 --> 00:56:54,800
That really started to catch
steam there right on?

971
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,700
Yeah, no.
I thought we'd done since has

972
00:56:56,700 --> 00:57:00,000
been able to expand on that,
right?

973
00:57:00,100 --> 00:57:01,900
What kind of pushback did you
get?

974
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,800
I mean, obviously, look, there's
there certain and I imagine

975
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,700
this, this conversation will be
one of them.

976
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,500
There's, I have a YouTube
channel that I'll put my, some

977
00:57:12,500 --> 00:57:15,700
of my podcast on.
But there's others that I know.

978
00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:18,600
I don't dare to put on and just
leave up at my website for

979
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:23,700
people to go to Because I know
darn, well, it will get flagged

980
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:27,300
and take taken down.
Did you, did you encounter much

981
00:57:27,300 --> 00:57:31,600
of that yourself in this?
So we've been I've been planning

982
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,100
on that since day one.
I knew they've been doing that

983
00:57:34,100 --> 00:57:36,200
for a long time.
They shut people down, they shut

984
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,600
down their PayPal accounts.
I knew it was definitely a

985
00:57:39,607 --> 00:57:43,300
possibility any time.
And so and I regularly get

986
00:57:43,500 --> 00:57:47,800
strikes but I don't get enough
strikes to get permanently

987
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,700
banned because I'm not saying it
won't happen.

988
00:57:51,700 --> 00:57:54,500
You know, it probably I plan on
it, it probably will be

989
00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:58,700
happening.
But i-i've consciously done

990
00:57:58,700 --> 00:58:03,500
things, where II title a video,
something to try, and go around,

991
00:58:03,700 --> 00:58:07,200
get people to realize what's
going on in the video, but use

992
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,300
words that the YouTube's
algorithms you have to be.

993
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,000
You have to so that way as a
person has to specifically

994
00:58:14,100 --> 00:58:19,600
report the video Before instead
of because there's if you use

995
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,800
certain words, the algorithm,
the computer will shut your

996
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,000
video down and cut you off, you
know, if it's in the video, if

997
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,200
you're saying certain words and
so that shows up in there, you

998
00:58:29,207 --> 00:58:31,900
know, they're closed captioning.
So that way, they know what

999
00:58:31,900 --> 00:58:35,100
you're saying, then they, they
can flag you and shut you down

1000
00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:36,700
just for the computer without a
person.

1001
00:58:37,100 --> 00:58:41,900
And so I've been very careful to
you to use words and to use

1002
00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:47,200
descriptions that will you know
that will remove that will

1003
00:58:47,500 --> 00:58:52,100
mitigate the possibility and so
it still happens but then I you

1004
00:58:52,100 --> 00:58:56,800
know they they say I can't post
a new video for a week and so

1005
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,100
during that week I make sure
that okay what am I planning?

1006
00:58:59,300 --> 00:59:02,700
What am I going to be doing?
And then it's a we use the other

1007
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,100
alternatives to kind of put the
videos out there that are banned

1008
00:59:06,100 --> 00:59:09,100
by YouTuber that we think
there's no way to Around the

1009
00:59:09,100 --> 00:59:11,200
algorithms.
We just have to put it on the

1010
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,300
alternative platforms.
Right, right.

1011
00:59:14,300 --> 00:59:15,700
Yeah.
That's that was a whole reason.

1012
00:59:15,700 --> 00:59:20,400
I made a website for the podcast
was because I was like, you

1013
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,600
know, at some point.
Yep.

1014
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,400
At some point they're going to
come for you, right?

1015
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,200
I mean been the worst.
Yep.

1016
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,700
I've never gotten booted from
like spreaker.

1017
00:59:30,700 --> 00:59:34,100
I've never got a warning from
spreaker, the podcast platforms

1018
00:59:34,100 --> 00:59:36,400
for whatever reason, maybe
because it's there's fewer

1019
00:59:36,900 --> 00:59:40,800
people on them.
But I haven't they don't care

1020
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,100
about what you can pretty much
as long as you're not telling

1021
00:59:43,100 --> 00:59:46,600
somebody to hurt somebody else
here, okay, right.

1022
00:59:47,300 --> 00:59:52,100
So that, that's awesome.
So you you've recently made the

1023
00:59:52,107 --> 00:59:55,700
switch from defending Utah to
tree of Liberty Society.

1024
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,800
Correct?
What if it's not too personal?

1025
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,600
If you're comfortable, can you
tell us what the, what the

1026
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,400
impetus for that was?
So, it's been something.

1027
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,800
I've been working on for about a
year now.

1028
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,900
There's, you know, the idea, Get
in back of my head just a little

1029
01:00:09,900 --> 01:00:10,900
bit.
Just because people are always

1030
01:00:10,900 --> 01:00:13,200
asking, hey, don't you have
something for Idaho?

1031
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:14,600
Don't you have something for New
York?

1032
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,400
Don't you have some First Texas.
And so that was always kind of

1033
01:00:17,408 --> 01:00:22,800
in the back of my mind, but with
my partner that I started

1034
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,300
defending Utah with, really
stopped being involved for a

1035
01:00:26,308 --> 01:00:30,600
while, and then he would do
things that would hurt.

1036
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,800
You know, he would post an
article, somebody would argue

1037
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,900
with him, he would argue with
them in a way that would, you

1038
01:00:37,900 --> 01:00:40,700
know, I thought, Felt was
damaging to my reputation

1039
01:00:40,700 --> 01:00:42,600
because I'm the face.
I was the face of the

1040
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,700
organization.
He wouldn't stop doing that kind

1041
01:00:45,700 --> 01:00:47,400
of stuff.
And there was other behaviors

1042
01:00:48,100 --> 01:00:49,900
that I just didn't want to be
associated with.

1043
01:00:49,900 --> 01:00:55,900
And so you about, you know, a
year ago now, I really started

1044
01:00:55,900 --> 01:00:59,900
the the shift over.
And then, in April May of this

1045
01:00:59,900 --> 01:01:02,700
year, it was, it was just a hard
switch where it was just like,

1046
01:01:02,700 --> 01:01:05,400
okay, I'm done dealing with with
that.

1047
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,500
And because he owned the URL, I
couldn't.

1048
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:12,200
That with me and so I was like,
okay this is a good time to do

1049
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:18,200
the National Organization and to
protect my reputation and not to

1050
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:19,700
be associate with the things
that he was working on.

1051
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,200
And so that's that's what I was
doing.

1052
01:01:22,900 --> 01:01:27,000
That's awesome well and it's
often out of those.

1053
01:01:29,500 --> 01:01:33,600
Those sorts of things that your
visual get pushed along farther

1054
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,000
right now.
It seems as I've bumped around a

1055
01:01:37,008 --> 01:01:40,700
little bit on the site there and
stuff, it doesn't seem like it's

1056
01:01:41,300 --> 01:01:45,600
geared towards just Utah, right?
It's a national, it's a national

1057
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:49,000
thing now, which is super
exciting to see ya.

1058
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:54,200
So, so, with with that, let's
talk about this.

1059
01:01:54,500 --> 01:01:59,800
We've talked about the history a
little bit on how these 80s in

1060
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:05,100
these combinations moved into
Utah and and that greater Mormon

1061
01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:08,300
Corridor, if you will.
Yeah, let's talk real quick

1062
01:02:08,300 --> 01:02:12,900
about where we stand today.
What is the state of Freedom

1063
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:20,400
within that Mormon corridor?
It's it's fragile.

1064
01:02:20,700 --> 01:02:23,500
It's on a teeter and it could go
any way.

1065
01:02:23,500 --> 01:02:26,400
Either way at any time, this is
the first time.

1066
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,300
That local governments have
received opposition.

1067
01:02:31,500 --> 01:02:33,900
It's always been opposition as
against what's going on in

1068
01:02:33,900 --> 01:02:37,300
Congress, but actual opposition
on the local level,

1069
01:02:37,300 --> 01:02:40,300
understanding the conspiracy in
the local level, as never

1070
01:02:40,300 --> 01:02:43,100
happened before, like an Idaho
yet.

1071
01:02:43,100 --> 01:02:46,900
Brad little where he was
arresting, even the conservative

1072
01:02:46,900 --> 01:02:50,400
state was arresting people for
having a sing-along in a parking

1073
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:54,700
lot.
In Utah, That didn't happen

1074
01:02:54,700 --> 01:02:58,100
because we had opposition.
So, as long as we have the

1075
01:02:58,100 --> 01:03:02,100
understanding and we oppose the
Tyranny, you know, where you

1076
01:03:02,100 --> 01:03:05,700
where you where people are like,
oh, just put up with it until it

1077
01:03:05,700 --> 01:03:08,700
goes away.
They think that's going to make

1078
01:03:08,700 --> 01:03:09,600
it go.
But no, no.

1079
01:03:09,900 --> 01:03:10,800
Where did you see that
happening?

1080
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,600
California and New York and
where are the places, where they

1081
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,600
had the mandates?
And the shutdown's the longest

1082
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:21,600
where they had compliance where
there was resistance and, um,

1083
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,600
compliance and even, you know,
No, going further where we were

1084
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:28,000
going to government officials
office their homes.

1085
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:31,100
They, you know, the founding
fathers said, you know, when

1086
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,500
when the freedom is where is
when the government fears, the

1087
01:03:34,500 --> 01:03:37,100
people, you know, you have
Tierney when the people fear the

1088
01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:39,900
government.
And so, it was fantastic that

1089
01:03:39,900 --> 01:03:43,600
the government was afraid
because we were showing up in

1090
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,600
front of their houses and
staying.

1091
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:52,000
We are not going to obey you And
so, because of that, we were

1092
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:56,500
able to get things that didn't
have to happen in places like

1093
01:03:56,500 --> 01:03:59,000
Idaho, even didn't happen in
Utah.

1094
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:06,000
But we have this balance where
you have the present, the church

1095
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,600
saying, everybody should get the
kill shot.

1096
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:12,800
You have them, you have David
Bednar speaking at the G20, or

1097
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,100
G8 Summit saying that the church
has should be used to promote,

1098
01:04:16,100 --> 01:04:17,900
the think the government's
official line.

1099
01:04:18,300 --> 01:04:21,100
And so you will.
We have, you know, the biggest

1100
01:04:21,100 --> 01:04:26,100
influential organization in the
state, you know, using their

1101
01:04:26,100 --> 01:04:27,800
influence to help promote these
things.

1102
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,200
That makes it.
That makes it difficult, but I

1103
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:33,900
think a lot of people are waking
up the problem that we have

1104
01:04:33,900 --> 01:04:36,700
right now is people are waking
up to what's going on and

1105
01:04:36,700 --> 01:04:39,700
they're throwing the baby out
with the bathwater and they're

1106
01:04:39,700 --> 01:04:42,500
throwing out either, you know,
the restored gospel or the

1107
01:04:42,500 --> 01:04:44,600
restore or they're throwing out
religion as a whole.

1108
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:48,400
And and that's you know, that's
that's short-sighted it's

1109
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,400
because they Understand that,
that's why history.

1110
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,100
So important you had to
understand the big picture to

1111
01:04:54,300 --> 01:04:56,600
make sure that you don't throw
the baby out with the bathwater.

1112
01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:01,600
But that is that is a problem
that we face because we have

1113
01:05:01,900 --> 01:05:04,900
that issue of those individuals
saying and doing those types of

1114
01:05:04,900 --> 01:05:09,100
things, which then the
legislature says, oh, you know

1115
01:05:09,100 --> 01:05:14,900
that they you have, you know,
Cox talking about how the pope

1116
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,800
and the present, the church all
says to do these things.

1117
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:23,700
And so he's able to Use those
those churches as a crutch to

1118
01:05:23,700 --> 01:05:29,400
excuse his tyrannical behavior
and so it's important for us as

1119
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:33,700
individuals now to be able to
understand courage principles as

1120
01:05:33,700 --> 01:05:36,200
much as possible so that is
individually.

1121
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,700
We can do the right thing, no
matter what other others as

1122
01:05:39,700 --> 01:05:43,100
either individuals or others, as
organizations do, we can still

1123
01:05:43,100 --> 01:05:45,000
do it.
And so because we've been able

1124
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:49,300
to build that understanding,
it's like a good Shouldn't

1125
01:05:49,300 --> 01:05:51,800
against tyranny.
We're now we've been able to

1126
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,700
teach enough about the proper
role of government about

1127
01:05:54,700 --> 01:05:57,800
nullification and how these
things are righteous principles,

1128
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:01,200
scriptural, scripturally based
principles that people can say,

1129
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,200
you know what, you know, I still
believe in the restoration but

1130
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,000
I'm sorry you're wrong.
I'm not going to do that.

1131
01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:10,600
And so it's you know, this is T2
that goes back and forth.

1132
01:06:10,700 --> 01:06:14,500
I think if we left it alone it
would this vacuum would come in

1133
01:06:14,500 --> 01:06:16,900
and Tierney would sweep in much
faster.

1134
01:06:17,300 --> 01:06:20,200
But because we're holding,
Adding back the wave the tidal

1135
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:25,000
wave.
It's I think we're at least

1136
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,400
holding steady and we're working
to go on the offense and push

1137
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:32,700
back.
You know, I remember seeing the

1138
01:06:32,700 --> 01:06:41,200
video of the one mother who in
Idaho who dared to defy The the

1139
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,700
caution tape on the playground
equal?

1140
01:06:43,700 --> 01:06:45,100
Yeah.
Brady I think it was.

1141
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:46,000
Yep.
Yep.

1142
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:50,400
And she got, she got arrested.
Yeah and to me she still do what

1143
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:54,500
that's crazy.
Yeah, to me that was the biggest

1144
01:06:54,500 --> 01:06:56,500
red flag.
Not because it happened, but

1145
01:06:56,500 --> 01:06:59,300
because it happened in Idaho,
right?

1146
01:06:59,300 --> 01:07:02,000
Right.
I mean, this sounds bad.

1147
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,400
I kind of almost expected it a
little bit in Utah.

1148
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:09,200
Just because there are there,
there always seemed to be a

1149
01:07:09,207 --> 01:07:11,400
bigger.
Contingent of progressives here

1150
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:12,500
than Idaho.
Yes.

1151
01:07:12,500 --> 01:07:15,000
Alex, he's bigger than Boise,
right?

1152
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:20,400
So when I saw it in Idaho,
that's when my heart hit my

1153
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:24,400
stomach because I was like, okay
if it's happening there, yeah,

1154
01:07:24,700 --> 01:07:26,800
there there is no safe place
anymore.

1155
01:07:26,900 --> 01:07:30,300
There is no place that you can
just run queue and make the

1156
01:07:30,300 --> 01:07:34,500
assumption that that freedom is
going to be protected if it's

1157
01:07:34,500 --> 01:07:39,100
happening in Idaho, right?
It, you you got some problems,

1158
01:07:39,300 --> 01:07:41,600
you got Got, you got some
problems, you got to look at.

1159
01:07:41,900 --> 01:07:49,700
So with with that said, and and
we know that it's teetering on

1160
01:07:49,700 --> 01:07:53,200
the brink, so to speak, right?
Going back and forth.

1161
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,300
Are you hopeful or are you a
little more pessimistic?

1162
01:07:59,300 --> 01:08:02,100
I'm hopeful.
Well, I'm not hopeful.

1163
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:06,000
I believe that the conspiracy
will be defeated.

1164
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,300
I think the scriptures are clear
that before.

1165
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,800
The Savior comes, I did a
presentation on this that the

1166
01:08:12,300 --> 01:08:15,200
before the Savior Comes, The
Conspiracy will be defeated.

1167
01:08:15,700 --> 01:08:19,000
And so we just need to make sure
that we are waking up.

1168
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,200
This sufficient amount that we
need to be able to work on that

1169
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:27,399
opposition and and and not be
afraid when people with certain

1170
01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:29,700
titles.
Saying and do certain things

1171
01:08:29,700 --> 01:08:33,300
that we stand strong for
principles, no matter what.

1172
01:08:33,300 --> 01:08:38,899
And so, we're seeing that.
And so, I'm optimistic because I

1173
01:08:38,899 --> 01:08:41,700
think that it was, you know,
it's one of those moments where

1174
01:08:41,700 --> 01:08:46,000
you have 9/11 where the
conspiracy really just went the.

1175
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:49,500
Oh, they usually try the again,
the one the Frog approach.

1176
01:08:49,500 --> 01:08:52,600
But with big events, like 9/11
and the FED pandemic.

1177
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:57,600
They move the huge steps forward
and they try to get more done

1178
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,100
than they did.
Did in the last fifteen hundred

1179
01:08:59,100 --> 01:09:03,200
years and I think I think the
fake pandemic was just a little

1180
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:07,700
bit too much a little bit too
long if they had left it at two

1181
01:09:07,700 --> 01:09:10,500
weeks to flatten the curve.
I think they could have gotten

1182
01:09:10,500 --> 01:09:13,899
away with a lot, but because
they made it last two to three

1183
01:09:13,899 --> 01:09:17,200
years.
People are like yeah you know it

1184
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:22,000
woke way too many people up and
so we just need to be there to

1185
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:26,000
direct you know that that energy
in a positive and effective

1186
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:29,200
manner.
You know, I You make a good

1187
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:35,700
point because when the pandemic
first kicked off, I worked for a

1188
01:09:35,700 --> 01:09:40,700
local government agency with in
Utah, I won't say which one or

1189
01:09:40,700 --> 01:09:43,500
whatever.
But I was one of the guys who

1190
01:09:43,500 --> 01:09:47,500
said I'll keep going, and I'll
keep going to the office, right?

1191
01:09:47,500 --> 01:09:53,600
Yeah, I wasn't always a Mormon.
So, I just, I was a, I was

1192
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:59,000
naturally good at drinking as a
younger man and I'm sure my

1193
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,900
thought process it probably a
little bit flawed was coital,

1194
01:10:02,900 --> 01:10:04,800
get in there and be like, we
gotta get out of here, this guy,

1195
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,600
this place is horrible, right?
But my thought was I'll just

1196
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:12,000
I'll just I'll keep going to
work and so I would see the

1197
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,400
numbers come in right because we
had to have these meetings every

1198
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:19,200
every week or so, where we would
get the numbers in the

1199
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,800
demographic, right?
And so I'm looking at the

1200
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:24,900
demographics and I don't want to
make light of anybody dying,

1201
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:26,700
right?
That's not, that's not what I'm

1202
01:10:26,700 --> 01:10:28,600
saying.
However, You looked at the

1203
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:34,400
numbers, you were seeing that
the vast majority of the people

1204
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:39,800
who were passing away were older
than the average life expectancy

1205
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,900
of a person, period, right?
It was always with not of it

1206
01:10:43,900 --> 01:10:45,900
was, you know, they're always
fiddling with the wording that

1207
01:10:45,900 --> 01:10:46,800
they'd use.
Yes.

1208
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:51,600
And I think the, the last
average I saw was that most

1209
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:56,900
people who died from covid.
Had 2.5 comorbidity factors.

1210
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,300
Yeah.
And these Aren't just factors

1211
01:10:59,300 --> 01:11:01,900
like dudes a little chunky,
right?

1212
01:11:01,900 --> 01:11:07,400
Or you know, whatever its people
who are probably halfway out the

1213
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,100
door and convalescent homes
already, right?

1214
01:11:10,100 --> 01:11:13,000
And again, I don't mean to make
light of that cuz I don't ever

1215
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:16,000
want to minimize somebody's
pain.

1216
01:11:16,300 --> 01:11:20,100
But at the same time as a
society, I felt like, okay, we

1217
01:11:20,100 --> 01:11:22,900
need to take a step back because
I'm thinking, the Cure now is

1218
01:11:22,900 --> 01:11:28,300
worse than the disease itself.
And so that was the first Time I

1219
01:11:28,300 --> 01:11:31,600
can certainly remember thinking.
Yeah, this this is gone off the

1220
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:35,900
rails horribly, right?
Um, because I was I was willing

1221
01:11:35,900 --> 01:11:37,800
to give him the benefit of the
doubt at first, right?

1222
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:41,700
I was willing to say, look two
weeks doesn't seem extreme.

1223
01:11:41,700 --> 01:11:45,200
We didn't have a lot of data.
The funny thing about communist

1224
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:48,000
regimes like China's they're not
necessarily forthcoming with

1225
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,100
information.
So we didn't have a ton of data

1226
01:11:51,100 --> 01:11:55,200
to go off of so I felt like two
weeks seems Seems appropriate

1227
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:59,500
but after that it got it got
Tway, bad, and they move that

1228
01:11:59,500 --> 01:12:01,400
window, right?
And that's, that's what I've

1229
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:04,000
noticed.
They do a ton is that they will

1230
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,900
move the goalposts so to speak,
right?

1231
01:12:05,900 --> 01:12:08,900
So right, they'll have a goal in
mind and then when they get

1232
01:12:08,900 --> 01:12:11,100
pushed back they'll be like,
okay, we'll scale it back a

1233
01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:13,200
little bit.
Not realizing that they still

1234
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:16,000
move due to full ten yards,
right?

1235
01:12:16,100 --> 01:12:17,600
Right.
It's so, they scaled it back

1236
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:21,600
from 15 down to 10, but you've
still move that that ball in

1237
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:23,000
that direction.
So to speak.

1238
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:28,900
Right, what do you think, is the
biggest Issue right now.

1239
01:12:28,900 --> 01:12:34,400
Facing Utah.
In terms of preserving Freedom,

1240
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,800
right?
Ignorant.

1241
01:12:36,900 --> 01:12:42,100
It's I would say it's a co-equal
with ignorance and apathy, you

1242
01:12:42,100 --> 01:12:46,500
have people not understanding
and you have people that kind of

1243
01:12:46,500 --> 01:12:49,900
understand and that they don't
care, they have the attitude of

1244
01:12:49,900 --> 01:12:53,200
the nothing, I can do about it.
And so, I think those two things

1245
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:58,200
are what are what allow the The
Tyranny to be honored or more

1246
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,800
than it should be.
What about from the government

1247
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:03,600
and the things?
What do you think?

1248
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,300
The biggest threat is coming
down the pike as far as

1249
01:13:06,900 --> 01:13:09,600
Government laws?
New, no new laws or anything

1250
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:15,000
like that.
Absolutely, you will see an

1251
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:21,600
increase in the agenda 21
situation with environmentalism

1252
01:13:21,900 --> 01:13:26,400
Will under the guise of
environmentalism increase tax on

1253
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:30,700
property and on water.
We just had the the feds tell

1254
01:13:30,700 --> 01:13:34,100
us, we, you know, how much water
were allowed to get from the

1255
01:13:34,100 --> 01:13:38,300
Colorado River and so Cox today
announced, you know, as if he

1256
01:13:38,300 --> 01:13:40,900
was his idea that we're going to
use less water.

1257
01:13:41,100 --> 01:13:44,100
The Colorado River.
And so you're going to you're

1258
01:13:44,100 --> 01:13:50,600
going to see a lot more threats
against private property as on

1259
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:54,800
the environmental front as well
as on the the culture war with

1260
01:13:54,800 --> 01:14:00,100
the what the sodomite and and
the black lives matter movement

1261
01:14:01,500 --> 01:14:05,700
affecting private homeowners and
businesses really going after

1262
01:14:05,700 --> 01:14:09,300
the increasing the attacks on
you know, with introducing

1263
01:14:09,300 --> 01:14:10,900
legislation on hate crimes
legislation.

1264
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:15,000
Isolation.
And basically calling, you know,

1265
01:14:15,100 --> 01:14:17,800
anybody that wants freedom of
Association is going to be a

1266
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:22,100
fused of a hate crime.
And as you know, as opposed to

1267
01:14:22,100 --> 01:14:25,000
somebody being, you know, if I
hurt someone, that's a crime,

1268
01:14:25,900 --> 01:14:27,700
it's really the about thought
control.

1269
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:29,700
And so they want to be able to
control your thoughts.

1270
01:14:30,100 --> 01:14:34,500
Those are some big things that
the powers that be are on the

1271
01:14:34,500 --> 01:14:38,300
national as well as you know, we
see through the Chamber of

1272
01:14:38,300 --> 01:14:42,900
Commerce and the Alta Club
really pushing the Those two

1273
01:14:43,300 --> 01:14:49,100
agendas, the most, we saw a lot.
I think we're going to see

1274
01:14:49,100 --> 01:14:54,300
something else again with public
health orders in the future.

1275
01:14:54,300 --> 01:14:57,800
Because all of these things that
supposedly were passed by the

1276
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:01,500
state legislature in Utah, to
protect, you know, to end mask

1277
01:15:01,500 --> 01:15:04,700
mandates and to make sure that
we didn't have, you know, Force

1278
01:15:04,700 --> 01:15:07,900
vaccinations.
All of those bills had

1279
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:14,000
expiration dates and the Those.
So those so-called protections

1280
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:17,800
will go away in 2024.
So I think they've got some

1281
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:22,100
things up their sleeve for 2024
or soon thereafter.

1282
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:27,500
Wow, that's a lot.
I mean that's, that's a lot of

1283
01:15:27,508 --> 01:15:29,300
stuff that you have to be
looking at.

1284
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:34,800
And to top it all off, Ben, is I
look at it, I feel like we're

1285
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:40,100
We're either at the moment or
fast approaching the moment at

1286
01:15:40,100 --> 01:15:45,700
which we need to really
re-evaluate where it is.

1287
01:15:46,300 --> 01:15:50,900
We're standing, right?
Because I feel like right now

1288
01:15:52,300 --> 01:15:53,500
You know, you look at
everything.

1289
01:15:53,500 --> 01:15:56,500
We've dealt been dealing with on
the national front.

1290
01:15:56,500 --> 01:15:58,300
Let's just go National for just
a minute.

1291
01:15:58,300 --> 01:16:02,300
We've had the pandemic, we've
had inflation, we still have

1292
01:16:02,300 --> 01:16:06,100
inflation, they've just managed
to curtail the numbers.

1293
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:13,000
We've had shortages of supplies.
We've had, you know, the the war

1294
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:18,300
going on in Ukraine.
I feel like we haven't ever had

1295
01:16:18,300 --> 01:16:21,700
to deal with this many things at
once simultaneously.

1296
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:26,800
And I worry that we're standing
kind of at the edge of the

1297
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,100
precipice and I'm glad you're
optimistic.

1298
01:16:30,100 --> 01:16:32,300
So I'll be honest with you, I'm
a little pessimistic when I

1299
01:16:32,300 --> 01:16:36,000
couldn't come to this, right?
Like, when I look at it all, I'm

1300
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:40,300
like, hmm.
I don't I don't see how we can.

1301
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,300
Can whether all these storms
that were at once?

1302
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:47,900
Right now?
Having said that, I know God

1303
01:16:47,900 --> 01:16:51,800
loves dramatic endings, right?
We see that all the time where,

1304
01:16:52,100 --> 01:16:55,600
where I often?
And again, because I'm a simple

1305
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:57,200
simple, man, I'll put it this
way.

1306
01:16:57,300 --> 01:17:01,500
It's often America seems to be
Rocky a lot in the Rocky movies,

1307
01:17:01,500 --> 01:17:03,700
right?
Just pounded to a pulp and

1308
01:17:03,700 --> 01:17:07,200
somehow, we pull ourselves up in
and figure it all out.

1309
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:12,200
I'm hopeful it happens again,
but I think, I think for two

1310
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:14,400
Long.
I've always looked and I had to

1311
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:19,200
come to this conclusion.
Oh, probably probably two years

1312
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:22,700
ago where I was looking for the
next founder, right?

1313
01:17:22,700 --> 01:17:25,900
I was looking for the next
Washington or the next Jefferson

1314
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,100
or whoever it was to be that
guy.

1315
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,000
Yeah.
I think we have to all be that

1316
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:37,600
guy at this point, right?
Yes, yes that is everybody's

1317
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,000
looking for someone else and
that's what we try.

1318
01:17:40,100 --> 01:17:43,100
That's what I tried to explain.
Try to instill, is that?

1319
01:17:43,100 --> 01:17:45,000
No, no, no.
This is your job.

1320
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:48,700
This is your responsibility.
You cannot Pawn this off on to

1321
01:17:48,708 --> 01:17:51,000
somebody else.
You cannot just say, I'm going

1322
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:55,400
to give this organization, you
know, some donation and they're

1323
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:57,000
going to go solve this problem
for me.

1324
01:17:57,300 --> 01:18:00,500
This is something that we all
have to take a personal

1325
01:18:00,500 --> 01:18:05,100
ownership of and be willing to
engage, right?

1326
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:09,000
How can we expect the same
blessings as previous

1327
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:12,400
generations without paying the
same price?

1328
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,800
It's it's it can't and won't
happen.

1329
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,700
And so if we want the freedom
that they have, we have to pay

1330
01:18:19,700 --> 01:18:22,500
the same price if we're not
willing to do that.

1331
01:18:22,500 --> 01:18:26,500
Then we just we're saying we're
going to accept the chains that

1332
01:18:26,500 --> 01:18:31,800
are placed upon us and so I, you
know, I kind of I don't know if

1333
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,700
it was a him, an aha, but I
qualified, you know, when I said

1334
01:18:34,700 --> 01:18:36,300
that earlier.
Because there are certain

1335
01:18:36,300 --> 01:18:41,500
aspects of it things are
definitely going to get hairy

1336
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:45,300
the conspiracy that you know,
Satan wants his program

1337
01:18:45,300 --> 01:18:49,000
implemented by 2030.
They they are they are on fast

1338
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:50,800
forward.
You mentioned all those

1339
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:52,100
different things that are going
on.

1340
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:55,600
And I think, you know, I've been
in this long enough where I

1341
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:57,900
recognize that people always
think when they wake up, that's

1342
01:18:57,900 --> 01:19:01,600
when it's the worst.
And, you know, to set to certain

1343
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,300
extent it's you know, this all
is the continuation like I

1344
01:19:04,308 --> 01:19:06,900
mentioned earlier.
But they're doing the same

1345
01:19:06,900 --> 01:19:10,500
thing, but all at the same time,
it's usually like, all of these

1346
01:19:10,500 --> 01:19:13,100
different things you mentioned.
They're just like, oh, that's

1347
01:19:13,100 --> 01:19:14,600
happening.
And then when that goes away,

1348
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:17,100
the next thing happens.
But no, there are throwing all

1349
01:19:17,100 --> 01:19:20,000
of these things on us, at the
same time, because they're all

1350
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,100
part of how they're going to
implement, their goals for

1351
01:19:23,100 --> 01:19:27,700
agenda. 2030.
And so they want to have their

1352
01:19:27,700 --> 01:19:33,500
new world order implemented by
then I'm going to do everything

1353
01:19:33,500 --> 01:19:38,100
I can to stop them. and so I
hope others will as well and I

1354
01:19:38,108 --> 01:19:43,200
believe that there will be
enough of us that are engaged

1355
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:46,800
and willing to pay the price
that we will stop them from

1356
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:55,300
doing so yeah, I I've looked at
this because again I being an

1357
01:19:55,300 --> 01:19:58,800
amateur historian, going back
and looking, I mean, don't get

1358
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:03,200
me wrong, we had World War 2 and
we had you know we all our chips

1359
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:06,600
have been on the table before
but I don't think like this and

1360
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,900
as I go back and I look at it
and I want to preface this by

1361
01:20:09,900 --> 01:20:12,500
saying, I don't think Donald
Trump was the savior of the

1362
01:20:12,500 --> 01:20:18,000
Republic but people get mad at
me for saying that.

1363
01:20:18,100 --> 01:20:20,000
Yeah, that's okay, they can be
mad.

1364
01:20:20,100 --> 01:20:25,400
At me, I'm used to it by now.
Um, the thing I'll say is that

1365
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:28,900
he scared the crap out of the
progressives because he

1366
01:20:28,900 --> 01:20:31,900
threatened to undo everything,
they'd done, right?

1367
01:20:31,900 --> 01:20:34,400
This was a hundred year plan,
right?

1368
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:36,900
This?
What they understood that that,

1369
01:20:36,900 --> 01:20:39,800
yeah, we're not going to be able
to give them Fascism and

1370
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:42,600
socialism right away.
They're going to have to take it

1371
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:47,100
in dribs and drabs right here.
You had a guy come along, who

1372
01:20:47,100 --> 01:20:51,700
was from the outside who Had
threatened to do some things

1373
01:20:51,700 --> 01:20:54,000
that I think upset them and I
think as soon as they got him

1374
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,300
out of office, they're like
we're not risking it again.

1375
01:20:56,900 --> 01:20:59,800
We're going to go Full Tilt and
we're just going to run this

1376
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:01,700
through as quick as we can.
Do you think that's a fair

1377
01:21:01,700 --> 01:21:05,000
assessment?
I tend to disagree.

1378
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,300
I think that Donald Trump is
false opposition.

1379
01:21:07,700 --> 01:21:09,700
Oh, come on.
There's a lot of and but you

1380
01:21:09,700 --> 01:21:13,500
know I think your ultimate
conclusion is definitely, you

1381
01:21:13,500 --> 01:21:17,600
know, really spot-on.
They are in a hurry, if you're

1382
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:20,000
comfortable with it explained
that that you think he was.

1383
01:21:20,100 --> 01:21:23,000
False opposition.
He wasn't an Insider.

1384
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:27,200
He's been a part of the inside
club for, you know, forever?

1385
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:29,800
That's a fair point.
That's a very good point.

1386
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:32,600
Yeah, I know, because there's
plenty of pictures and video of

1387
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:37,300
him attending the, the bushes
and the clintons various

1388
01:21:37,300 --> 01:21:39,900
function, don't get to be as
rich as he is in New York City

1389
01:21:39,900 --> 01:21:42,800
without making some some
interesting friends.

1390
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:48,700
And and then you look at, you
know, in an office, you know, he

1391
01:21:48,700 --> 01:21:52,700
said that take the guns first
Due process later, he expanded

1392
01:21:52,700 --> 01:21:58,000
the North American Union into
you know he's from NAFTA to the

1393
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,300
expanding North American Union
be on NAFTA.

1394
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:04,400
The his closest advisor for
foreign policy was, Richard

1395
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:07,500
haass the head of the Council on
Foreign Relations, I think you

1396
01:22:07,500 --> 01:22:11,700
know the list could go on and on
and pick the things that, you

1397
01:22:11,700 --> 01:22:15,100
know, the media would focus on
to, you know, you don't get

1398
01:22:15,100 --> 01:22:18,700
somebody like okay, just compare
his opposition to Ron, Paul's

1399
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:24,300
Donald Trump got free
advertising worth billions of

1400
01:22:24,300 --> 01:22:26,500
dollars.
He couldn't afford to pay for

1401
01:22:26,500 --> 01:22:28,900
the free advertising that he got
PT.

1402
01:22:28,900 --> 01:22:30,500
Barnum said, I don't care what
you say about me.

1403
01:22:30,500 --> 01:22:36,000
Just spell my name, right?
You compare that to Ron Paul and

1404
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:40,700
even though he placed in second
in polls, you know, when he ran

1405
01:22:40,700 --> 01:22:43,300
for president, they left him off
the list.

1406
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:48,300
When you are really outside of
the system, they ignore you.

1407
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,100
It's when they give you the
free, Resizing where they, you

1408
01:22:51,100 --> 01:22:53,400
know, they would give a did,
they would do a, get a glancing

1409
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:56,400
blow, so Ron, Paul's are racist
and then they would ignore him,

1410
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:58,000
you know, for as much as they
could.

1411
01:22:58,500 --> 01:23:02,400
But if every day, even now when
he's out of office it every day,

1412
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,700
it's the free advertising.
I believe, it's, I believe it's

1413
01:23:05,700 --> 01:23:10,500
free advertising because you get
people of our mindset that are

1414
01:23:10,500 --> 01:23:13,500
like, hey, he's saying, you
know, X Y & Z, isn't that?

1415
01:23:13,500 --> 01:23:16,400
And, and, and all the bad guys
are mad at him and attacking

1416
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:19,300
him.
And, and so he, you know, and so

1417
01:23:19,300 --> 01:23:22,300
it puts him up They're as
somebody that's going to be the

1418
01:23:22,300 --> 01:23:24,800
new George Washington or, you
know, whatever it is, that we

1419
01:23:24,808 --> 01:23:27,000
can all get behind.
That's gonna, you know, get

1420
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:28,800
stand between us and the New
World Order.

1421
01:23:29,100 --> 01:23:32,800
You know?
I don't believe that right now.

1422
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:36,500
That's those are great points.
Because, yeah, I mean, I wasn't,

1423
01:23:36,900 --> 01:23:38,900
I wasn't enamored with him,
right?

1424
01:23:38,900 --> 01:23:44,700
I mean I felt like Again he
wasn't the savior of the

1425
01:23:44,700 --> 01:23:46,700
Republic, right?
He was I didn't care about his

1426
01:23:46,700 --> 01:23:49,500
crassness you know whatever.
Right different communication

1427
01:23:49,500 --> 01:23:51,500
styles.
That wasn't my problem with him

1428
01:23:51,700 --> 01:23:54,000
one bit, right?
Exactly.

1429
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:58,600
Exactly.
So let's talk about about this

1430
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:02,600
bookie got coming out been.
Yeah, tell me a little bit about

1431
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:06,900
it, so a lot of, you know, I
don't know how much of your

1432
01:24:06,900 --> 01:24:10,000
viewers will know about me, but
people that have followed me for

1433
01:24:10,100 --> 01:24:11,900
for a while now, know about my
presentation.

1434
01:24:12,100 --> 01:24:14,500
I'm on Sear combinations in
Utah.

1435
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:20,700
It's the culmination of a decade
or more of research on the

1436
01:24:20,700 --> 01:24:24,200
conspiracy in Utah, going to,
you know, that not stuff that

1437
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:26,600
you can find.
On in Google, I'd go into BYU.

1438
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:29,300
Special collections going to
University of Utah, special

1439
01:24:29,300 --> 01:24:32,900
collections, the churches, the
states and, and getting

1440
01:24:32,900 --> 01:24:35,500
documents, and putting all these
things together and the

1441
01:24:35,500 --> 01:24:38,500
presentation, you know, I even
did a director's commentary,

1442
01:24:38,500 --> 01:24:41,200
made it like to an hour and a
half, two hours long and it

1443
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:45,000
still was Really scratching the
surface and so because you can

1444
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,800
only do that, you don't, you
know, nobody wants to sit down

1445
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:49,900
for, you know, four days
straight to learn everything.

1446
01:24:49,900 --> 01:24:51,700
There is to know about the
conspiracy and Utah.

1447
01:24:52,100 --> 01:24:57,300
And so I've been planning for
since I put together a

1448
01:24:57,308 --> 01:25:01,400
presentation on putting a book
together, that really goes into

1449
01:25:01,900 --> 01:25:05,100
in depth into the whole thing
that explains all the things I

1450
01:25:05,108 --> 01:25:09,600
didn't have time to go into and
so I've broken up into two

1451
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:13,000
volumes volume one should it
will be coming out and the next

1452
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:17,000
two to three weeks first week of
September at the very latest.

1453
01:25:17,500 --> 01:25:19,900
And so if your listeners want to
go to tree of Liberty society

1454
01:25:19,900 --> 01:25:23,200
and they can get a free copy
just by signing up for our email

1455
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:26,800
list.
A free PDF copy and then we'll

1456
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:29,100
have hard copies available.
People like the old-fashioned

1457
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:34,300
reading of books but it's really
going into the details of

1458
01:25:34,300 --> 01:25:36,800
explaining.
How the conspiracy got here.

1459
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,000
How we fell for everything, they
were doing.

1460
01:25:39,700 --> 01:25:43,500
It's a case study because we're
trying to do is use this as the

1461
01:25:43,508 --> 01:25:48,700
example so that, you know, it's
not just sure there is a certain

1462
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:52,100
special Miss to it because it is
Satan's attack on the kingdom of

1463
01:25:52,100 --> 01:25:54,900
God.
But It's the same tactics, no

1464
01:25:54,900 --> 01:25:57,600
matter where you're at, the
conspiracy uses, the same

1465
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:01,000
boiling frog approach.
Its, you know, this you can I

1466
01:26:01,900 --> 01:26:05,000
the book goes through and it
identifies principles so that

1467
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:09,400
way you can identify
individuals, because individuals

1468
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:12,200
died, the same conspirators that
are involved now.

1469
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:15,600
Weren't involved women, Gary
Allen wrote the book, none dare

1470
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,400
call it conspiracy.
So, if that's the last book we

1471
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:21,000
have, and we don't understand
principles, we're not going to

1472
01:26:21,008 --> 01:26:22,900
know who's involved.
We're going to be fooled by

1473
01:26:22,900 --> 01:26:25,200
wolves in sheep's clothing.
He's a Republican and he said

1474
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:28,100
Constitution, he must be good.
No, those guys are usually the

1475
01:26:28,100 --> 01:26:29,800
biggest dirtbags in the state of
Utah.

1476
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:31,400
It's not their Democrat mean,
not that.

1477
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:34,400
I'm a supportive of the
democratic platform but it's the

1478
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:37,500
Republicans that are passing the
bills that are enslaving us in

1479
01:26:37,508 --> 01:26:40,200
the state of Utah.
And so we've got to get past the

1480
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:43,400
personalities and start to
recognize how the conspiracy

1481
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:46,800
infiltrates, your your state and
your community, and recognize

1482
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:50,000
that your zero City officials
are implementing these things.

1483
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:52,900
And so the volume 1 is getting
the history.

1484
01:26:52,900 --> 01:26:54,600
The case.
Ready for Utah.

1485
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:58,500
And then Volume 2 which will be
out in the winter gets into more

1486
01:26:58,500 --> 01:27:01,000
specifics where we're going to
be covering, who are the

1487
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:03,300
influential people today,
involves in groups like The

1488
01:27:03,300 --> 01:27:05,200
Council on Foreign Relations
Skull and Bones.

1489
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:11,000
The group above Skull and Bones
called cowl, and key that things

1490
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:12,600
that nobody's ever heard of
Federal Reserve.

1491
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,600
And how that got here, and the
people that were involved with

1492
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,000
that.
And so naming current names

1493
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:21,600
talking about another group.
People always think I'm talking

1494
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:23,800
about the same group, but
there's two groups, the out The

1495
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:26,700
club and the Alfalfa club.
And so I'm going to get into

1496
01:27:26,700 --> 01:27:29,200
details on Mitt Romney's
involvement with the secret

1497
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:33,000
society called the Alfalfa club
that considers themselves to be

1498
01:27:33,300 --> 01:27:38,200
the oldest secret society, that
goes back to Egypt and right

1499
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:41,900
after you know when they Egypt
us and the Book of Abraham that

1500
01:27:41,900 --> 01:27:45,600
we learned about and so you
know, it's interesting, why is

1501
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:48,500
Mitt Romney a part of this group
that that believes that about

1502
01:27:48,500 --> 01:27:50,900
themselves.
And he was not only a part of

1503
01:27:50,900 --> 01:27:53,000
that group, he was the president
of the group for a couple of

1504
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:55,000
years.
And so that's what we're going

1505
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:58,500
to be getting into in.
Volume 2 volume 1 again, is

1506
01:27:58,500 --> 01:28:04,600
laying the groundwork for us to
understand, really the they the

1507
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:07,700
nature of what we'll be covering
in volume 2.

1508
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,500
So that way we have the
principles down because too

1509
01:28:10,500 --> 01:28:14,300
often we get into personalities
and issues as opposed to

1510
01:28:14,300 --> 01:28:17,900
principles we get bogged down
and we're just like, oh well

1511
01:28:17,900 --> 01:28:22,200
it's not masks and it's not, you
know, Nancy Pelosi so it's good

1512
01:28:22,500 --> 01:28:26,200
and we have to We have to like
we start we have to like figure

1513
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:28,800
out each thing at each time.
Something new comes up.

1514
01:28:28,900 --> 01:28:32,000
We have to figure it out but if
we understand the foundation,

1515
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,100
the principles that will be
laying out that book.

1516
01:28:34,500 --> 01:28:38,600
Then we can start to say, okay,
the names change, I can't go to

1517
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:42,100
see her combinations.com and and
just have all this, you know,

1518
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:45,400
all the names listed.
But I'll have the aisle had the

1519
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:49,200
principles in me.
And so that way I can identify

1520
01:28:49,900 --> 01:28:53,400
somebody because based on their
fruits instead of their words,

1521
01:28:53,700 --> 01:28:57,300
Because the conspiracy is
learned very well to use the

1522
01:28:57,300 --> 01:29:00,100
right words.
We have to start judging people

1523
01:29:00,100 --> 01:29:04,400
on their fruits.
Absolutely, I couldn't have said

1524
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:07,100
that better myself, I think is
people.

1525
01:29:08,500 --> 01:29:12,100
We naturally tend towards
looking for the man, right,

1526
01:29:12,100 --> 01:29:16,500
whoever, whoever he or she is
we're looking for for the the

1527
01:29:16,500 --> 01:29:18,100
one person's going to fix it
all.

1528
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:21,500
The problem is that those people
who think that they can fix it

1529
01:29:21,500 --> 01:29:23,500
all.
Well, they usually leave you.

1530
01:29:23,700 --> 01:29:26,500
Lead you into some sort of hell,
right?

1531
01:29:26,500 --> 01:29:30,700
I mean, let's not forget that
that totaling totalitarian

1532
01:29:30,700 --> 01:29:35,100
dictatorships, don't emerge out
of good times, right?

1533
01:29:35,100 --> 01:29:40,100
Every one of them emerge out of
a time of fear and hunger, and

1534
01:29:40,100 --> 01:29:44,100
deprivation.
And so if we're if we're not

1535
01:29:44,100 --> 01:29:51,000
anchored to principal, we're
open for all sorts of being led

1536
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:54,400
astray, right?
It's back to Too trusting in the

1537
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:57,100
arm of Flesh.
Again, rather than being being

1538
01:29:57,100 --> 01:30:00,400
anchored by principles.
I hear all the time people

1539
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:03,400
saying, you know, I'm on our
side, I'll put that in quotes,

1540
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:07,700
that they'll support the police
state to put down, you know, the

1541
01:30:07,700 --> 01:30:10,600
the other guy, even though, you
know, when the police States

1542
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:12,000
used against them, they're like
really upset.

1543
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:14,400
But, you know, when it's it's
still, we've got to be

1544
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:16,000
principal.
We can't, if we don't want the

1545
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:19,000
police state used on us, we
can't use the police state on

1546
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:20,600
others.
It's just, we've got to be

1547
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:23,500
consistent.
And it's like you said, it's

1548
01:30:23,900 --> 01:30:26,900
It's those hard times that in
the, we make excuses and we say,

1549
01:30:26,900 --> 01:30:29,900
well yes we have to like I
mentioned earlier with with

1550
01:30:29,900 --> 01:30:33,400
George Bush and I was like, oh
man, he wouldn't do anything

1551
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:37,300
bad.
We've got to stick to that crowd

1552
01:30:37,300 --> 01:30:39,600
principle.
Because now we have people in

1553
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:43,100
secret prisons because too many
people you had, you had, you

1554
01:30:43,100 --> 01:30:47,800
know, the conservative talk
radio host back in 2001 and 2002

1555
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:50,500
saying, you supported the the
terrorists, if you didn't

1556
01:30:50,500 --> 01:30:55,100
support the Patriot Act.
And so, We weren't principal and

1557
01:30:55,100 --> 01:30:57,000
so we're suffering the
consequences for it.

1558
01:30:57,100 --> 01:31:01,000
And the next time we sacrifice
our principles for Safety and

1559
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:04,000
Security, it will be a hundred
times worse than Patriot Act

1560
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:07,100
ever dreamed of being
absolutely.

1561
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:10,500
And, and I'll be honest, when I
was a young father, when that

1562
01:31:10,500 --> 01:31:14,600
went down, right?
I had been married since 95.

1563
01:31:14,700 --> 01:31:17,400
And so 2001 was at that six
years.

1564
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:22,600
And I mean, I got to you, I got
a six-year-old at home and a

1565
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:26,100
four-year-old at home.
My wife's pregnant and I was

1566
01:31:26,100 --> 01:31:28,300
nervous.
I mean, I was, I was darn

1567
01:31:28,300 --> 01:31:30,100
nervous.
You know, what does the future

1568
01:31:30,100 --> 01:31:35,600
hold?
And it really takes, It really

1569
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:41,300
takes a discipline position to
be able to allow that fear to

1570
01:31:41,300 --> 01:31:44,800
subside a little bit and say
what's down the road, right?

1571
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:48,400
Because like you said I'll admit
I was at guy was like George

1572
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:51,500
Bush ain't gonna go dictator.
Okay.

1573
01:31:51,500 --> 01:31:54,500
So let's say he doesn't.
Who's the next guy that has that

1574
01:31:54,500 --> 01:31:57,200
problem?
Who's who's going to get it

1575
01:31:57,200 --> 01:31:59,900
eventually?
Yeah, and so yeah.

1576
01:31:59,900 --> 01:32:04,500
No, I agree with you 100%.
We need to get past this idea of

1577
01:32:04,500 --> 01:32:08,300
a Two person, excuse me, a cult
of personality and start looking

1578
01:32:08,300 --> 01:32:13,700
at principle because they, those
Cults of Personality will always

1579
01:32:13,700 --> 01:32:15,800
lead you astray.
All right.

1580
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:19,200
Even if he's not the one that
does it, the guy you're

1581
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:21,900
following?
Maybe it's not even the next

1582
01:32:21,900 --> 01:32:23,500
guy, eating away from the
principles.

1583
01:32:23,500 --> 01:32:25,200
That's the problem, right?
Right.

1584
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:26,600
Exactly.
And that's the whole thing that

1585
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:28,700
I've been talking about.
That's how the conspiracy gets

1586
01:32:28,700 --> 01:32:32,700
to their ultimate agenda through
is, by these small soccer, you

1587
01:32:32,700 --> 01:32:36,300
know, these small changes small,
Means and measures as Karl Marx

1588
01:32:36,300 --> 01:32:40,300
says that are economically.
Insufficient meaning, they're so

1589
01:32:40,300 --> 01:32:42,600
small.
They can't make any difference

1590
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:46,500
right now but because you
succumb to that small change

1591
01:32:46,500 --> 01:32:48,200
that one change leads to the
next.

1592
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:52,000
It actually says the each change
necessitates the next change.

1593
01:32:52,900 --> 01:32:56,300
And so when you give up to one
change that makes no difference.

1594
01:32:56,700 --> 01:32:59,700
Supposedly that is just a
violation of principle but

1595
01:33:00,100 --> 01:33:04,000
doesn't have a big impact.
You are setting up yourself for

1596
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:06,000
the next chain.
In the next change, in the next

1597
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:09,200
change.
And until your you are Gulliver

1598
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:12,900
and you are in your tied down by
the little, you know, miniature

1599
01:33:12,900 --> 01:33:14,400
people?
Yeah.

1600
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:17,500
Absolutely.
And, and I think part of that

1601
01:33:17,500 --> 01:33:24,700
too, is this idea that we're
constantly looking for things,

1602
01:33:24,700 --> 01:33:27,300
that feel normal and
comfortable, right?

1603
01:33:28,300 --> 01:33:31,800
I know, I talk to people,
sometimes about this, those who

1604
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:34,100
I think would be, I'm selective
on.

1605
01:33:34,100 --> 01:33:36,500
Who I Ali talk to you about
this, right?

1606
01:33:36,700 --> 01:33:39,800
Because sometimes it just
doesn't make any difference and

1607
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:41,300
you can tell they're going to
blow it off.

1608
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:44,300
But some of the ones I have
talked to you, they're like, oh,

1609
01:33:44,300 --> 01:33:46,800
it's just the same as it has
always been, right?

1610
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:50,300
It's not that much different
than what it was in name your

1611
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:51,300
time.
I don't know.

1612
01:33:51,300 --> 01:33:55,300
Right?
And I remember I read a book

1613
01:33:55,300 --> 01:33:58,700
once on something called the
normalcy bias and they actually

1614
01:33:58,700 --> 01:34:01,900
use huge, they actually talked
about it.

1615
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:06,300
The story of the example they
gave was We from 9/11 where

1616
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:12,000
people were turning around to go
shut off their computers, right?

1617
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:14,800
They were halfway down the
stairwells and they were like,

1618
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:16,800
how I forgot to turn off my
computer.

1619
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:20,000
And, and this psychologist was
interested in it, you know what

1620
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:23,200
causes this?
And it was the normalcy bias.

1621
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:29,300
It was this innate driving us to
return to some sort of normalcy

1622
01:34:29,700 --> 01:34:34,600
and those small axe.
So I think sometimes we will

1623
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:40,100
Wow, that that I don't know that
biological mechanism to take

1624
01:34:40,100 --> 01:34:43,600
over which doesn't allow us to
necessarily see the forest from

1625
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:45,800
the trees, right?
Yeah.

1626
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:53,800
So let me ask you this.
Let's let's just say, let's use

1627
01:34:53,800 --> 01:35:00,000
a hypothetical, you know the guy
in his mid-30s right wife, kids

1628
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:03,800
got a mortgage has a decent job.
Making money.

1629
01:35:04,900 --> 01:35:08,900
But he's woken up to these
facts, right?

1630
01:35:08,900 --> 01:35:11,700
He's he's seeing something is
wrong.

1631
01:35:12,300 --> 01:35:15,400
Yeah, where does he go, what
does he do?

1632
01:35:17,300 --> 01:35:19,500
To start getting educated.
Where would you tell him to

1633
01:35:19,500 --> 01:35:21,700
start looking first?
Yeah.

1634
01:35:21,700 --> 01:35:24,700
Building understanding is huge
because there's a saying that I

1635
01:35:24,700 --> 01:35:28,400
like a lot, it's Education
Without action these defend his

1636
01:35:28,500 --> 01:35:30,100
frustration.
That's where I was.

1637
01:35:30,100 --> 01:35:32,000
When I first started waking up,
I was like yeah.

1638
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:34,400
Okay you know these things are
true but what am I going to do

1639
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:36,900
about it?
But also what we see a lot as

1640
01:35:36,900 --> 01:35:40,900
well is action without education
leads to fanaticism.

1641
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:43,400
You making the wrong choice, you
go in, there you go.

1642
01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:45,900
Not too deep in you doing the
wrong thing because you don't

1643
01:35:45,900 --> 01:35:48,500
understand.
Why things are the way they are.

1644
01:35:48,900 --> 01:35:52,100
And so we built two different
things at our website.

1645
01:35:52,300 --> 01:35:54,700
For this very purpose, you go to
tree of Liberty Society.

1646
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:58,800
You hover over the learn Tab,
and we have a section called a

1647
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:00,800
boot camp, where we have a
six-course class.

1648
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:06,000
We go into the not, we go to the
Constitution, but it's, it's are

1649
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:10,200
extremists Liberty boot camp
where we go into the principles

1650
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:11,900
of the why I mentioned this
earlier.

1651
01:36:12,100 --> 01:36:14,800
So important for the history.
Why did they put those things in

1652
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:17,800
the Constitution then we get
into the kingdom of God what

1653
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:20,800
will the principles behind that
the conspiracy internationally

1654
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:24,600
as well as the conspiracy from
the local level and then we get

1655
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:26,600
into Solutions, what do we do
about it?

1656
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:29,300
Because you have to have that
Foundation before you understand

1657
01:36:29,300 --> 01:36:32,000
Solutions.
And then we also have a section

1658
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:35,400
in the learn in on the learn tab
where we have resources, where

1659
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:39,100
we have not, we have 12
different, I'm sorry.

1660
01:36:39,100 --> 01:36:42,400
Nine different areas from Sierra
combinations.

1661
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:45,200
Proper role of government
natural law where you click on

1662
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:47,000
that and there are videos or
articles.

1663
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:50,600
There are audio downloads for
you to be able to just become

1664
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:53,600
immersed, on that subject.
So that way you can really just,

1665
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:57,200
you know, build that
understanding at your own pace

1666
01:36:57,200 --> 01:36:59,900
through reading, through
listening for viewing and I

1667
01:36:59,907 --> 01:37:04,000
think that's really the starting
point and then members of tree

1668
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:08,300
of Liberty Society, every week
we have online training where we

1669
01:37:08,300 --> 01:37:11,700
go through and we go even more
detail of what's, what are some

1670
01:37:11,700 --> 01:37:14,300
of the, you know, the things
coming down the line.

1671
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:16,900
What is the government?
You know, what are these new?

1672
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:20,800
Events that we've uncovered
saying about what we can expect

1673
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:23,700
and then what we can do about it
because that's key.

1674
01:37:23,700 --> 01:37:26,800
Is once we have that
understanding, then the next

1675
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:29,600
thing is we really have to
recognize that the people that

1676
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:32,500
are in power right now are
illegitimate they're criminals

1677
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:35,500
and they're violating their oath
of office and so they are

1678
01:37:35,500 --> 01:37:36,900
illegitimate.
The things that are doing are

1679
01:37:36,900 --> 01:37:40,100
illegal and so we need to start
treating them that way because

1680
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:43,400
the traditional Solutions are
what have brought us to the

1681
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:45,100
situation that we're in, where
we think.

1682
01:37:45,100 --> 01:37:46,900
We're just going to go harder
more, you know?

1683
01:37:47,100 --> 01:37:49,500
About earlier and more often you
know what?

1684
01:37:49,700 --> 01:37:53,000
And so you know those things
that that we traditionally think

1685
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:56,700
of as the solutions to the
problem are are actually a more

1686
01:37:56,700 --> 01:38:01,200
modern idea that has been
brought forward to get us to

1687
01:38:01,300 --> 01:38:04,400
maintain the status quo.
We have to look at what and

1688
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:06,800
recognize, what is it?
Has it been that has actually

1689
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:10,600
led to restoring lost Liberty
and that is people like the

1690
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:12,800
founding fathers saying, you
know what you are not

1691
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:16,000
legitimate.
I am not going to obey you if we

1692
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:18,200
really think about it, right?
These guys I mentioned earlier

1693
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:21,600
the Bohemian Grove these these
people that seek to rule over us

1694
01:38:21,900 --> 01:38:25,600
they go and they worship an owl.
God, I'm going to let them tell

1695
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:27,500
me how to raise my children.
What they're going to be taught

1696
01:38:27,500 --> 01:38:29,000
in school.
That's outrageous, that's

1697
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:31,400
insane.
It's it's ludicrous to think

1698
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:33,200
that anybody would actually do
that.

1699
01:38:33,500 --> 01:38:36,000
And so when we understand what's
going on, then we start to have

1700
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:39,100
that mindset of I am I am a
crazy person.

1701
01:38:39,100 --> 01:38:41,000
If I am going to let him tell me
what to do.

1702
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:45,800
And so we then start.
Okay, I'm going to obey the law

1703
01:38:46,100 --> 01:38:48,500
by following the Constitution
and enforcing it.

1704
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:51,400
And we start to understand these
things and ignoring and doing

1705
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:53,300
the founding fathers said is to
nullify.

1706
01:38:53,700 --> 01:38:59,900
And then in, in the ability to
do, you know, Small Things is

1707
01:38:59,900 --> 01:39:01,800
easy on our own, right?
There's little small things that

1708
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:05,500
we can do to nullify without too
much pushback, but when it

1709
01:39:05,500 --> 01:39:07,800
starts to get more series, we
need to be able to join

1710
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:08,900
together.
And so that's one of the things

1711
01:39:08,900 --> 01:39:11,000
that we offer.
As tree of Liberty, is for

1712
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:14,400
people to be able to come
together to help each other out

1713
01:39:14,700 --> 01:39:18,200
to be more effective in our Leti
to stand up for the

1714
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:21,500
Constitution, the principles
that are enshrined in the

1715
01:39:21,500 --> 01:39:24,100
Constitution.
That's awesome.

1716
01:39:24,700 --> 01:39:28,600
So if someone wanted to join the
tree of Liberty Society, is

1717
01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:30,900
there a cost is there an annual
membership?

1718
01:39:30,900 --> 01:39:33,100
What, what do they have to do in
order to join?

1719
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:37,300
So, you know, besides the train
and are we have it our

1720
01:39:37,300 --> 01:39:42,500
membership portal, we have a lot
of tools of the research

1721
01:39:42,500 --> 01:39:45,800
documents that we've been able
to maintain and put together and

1722
01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:48,500
our previous trainings.
You can do you access that by

1723
01:39:48,500 --> 01:39:50,900
being a member and you just go
to the joints happen.

1724
01:39:51,100 --> 01:39:54,300
And there there's a nominal cost
involved that helps support our

1725
01:39:54,300 --> 01:39:56,800
work, and make sure that we can
continue doing it and, and to

1726
01:39:56,800 --> 01:39:59,700
grow.
And but most of our stuff, I'd

1727
01:39:59,700 --> 01:40:03,700
say, 95% of everything we
produce is free on the website

1728
01:40:03,700 --> 01:40:05,800
and on our YouTube channel in
our podcast.

1729
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:09,300
And so if you like what we want
to do, you know, if you like it

1730
01:40:10,300 --> 01:40:12,400
just make sure that you're
sharing what we're doing.

1731
01:40:12,700 --> 01:40:15,100
But if you want to support us
and make sure that we grow and

1732
01:40:15,100 --> 01:40:18,800
become more effective and then
we become You know that we're

1733
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:23,500
able to get more places and to
be able to become more effective

1734
01:40:23,700 --> 01:40:26,000
than we invite you to become a
member support.

1735
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:28,000
It and be received the benefits
of membership.

1736
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:33,400
Fantastic.
So, I got kind of a personal

1737
01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:35,900
question for you.
And again, I know you don't have

1738
01:40:35,900 --> 01:40:39,400
to answer this.
What have you had to sacrifice

1739
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:42,000
in this work?
What have been some of the

1740
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:44,600
personal cost to you?
Yeah.

1741
01:40:46,500 --> 01:40:50,100
So, some of that, I probably
shouldn't get into on this

1742
01:40:50,100 --> 01:40:55,500
podcast, but definitely attacks
by people in government.

1743
01:40:57,000 --> 01:41:00,800
I used to live out in the
country where my nearest

1744
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:04,200
neighbor was two miles away.
And when we live there, there

1745
01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:07,000
was a state legislator that was
very upset with the expose, is

1746
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:10,300
that we're doing about him and
so him and his son, who's a

1747
01:41:10,300 --> 01:41:15,700
sheriff in Beaver County Work to
find out, try to find a Hayward

1748
01:41:15,700 --> 01:41:18,600
has been live, where who does
been work for finding out.

1749
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:22,500
Try using DMV records to find
out that information illegally

1750
01:41:22,500 --> 01:41:26,700
without a warrant and use it,
because he was, his son was a

1751
01:41:26,700 --> 01:41:28,800
sheriff.
He was able to get my County

1752
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:34,100
Sheriff, to put a little, a DUI
checkpoint blocking my driveway

1753
01:41:34,100 --> 01:41:36,900
for an entire weekend.
So I had to go through a DUI,

1754
01:41:36,900 --> 01:41:40,600
checkpoint to leave my house and
to come home.

1755
01:41:41,500 --> 01:41:45,600
And harassment like that.
And there's been more serious

1756
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:47,700
things in that.
That probably shouldn't be on

1757
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:50,800
his podcast, but it gives you an
example of some of the things

1758
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:56,800
that we've had to, you know, put
my myself and my family under

1759
01:41:57,100 --> 01:42:02,500
scrutiny and harassment, and
even persecution from, from

1760
01:42:02,500 --> 01:42:05,500
those that wish to enslave us.
Yeah.

1761
01:42:08,100 --> 01:42:10,100
Kind of blessings.
Have you seen come from doing

1762
01:42:10,100 --> 01:42:15,900
this?
Beyond my wildest imaginations.

1763
01:42:16,700 --> 01:42:20,300
One of the things that I've had
to deal with is that the that

1764
01:42:20,300 --> 01:42:28,600
ties into that is that is I've
got a, what's a Blacklist on a

1765
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:32,600
like a what's it called?
The F of federal criminal

1766
01:42:32,600 --> 01:42:36,100
background.
So if a company says, you know,

1767
01:42:36,500 --> 01:42:39,700
you want to work for me.
You know, we just have to do

1768
01:42:39,700 --> 01:42:42,000
this criminal background.
Check you, you know.

1769
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:45,100
And if you do a federal one, it
goes through this, and it comes

1770
01:42:45,100 --> 01:42:47,600
back and says, I have a federal
criminal background even though

1771
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:52,700
I've never been arrested And so
when I filed a foia to find out

1772
01:42:52,700 --> 01:42:55,700
why why what, what is my
criminal background, why am I

1773
01:42:55,708 --> 01:42:59,300
being told that I have this
criminal history when I don't?

1774
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:01,900
And so I'm not getting jobs, I
couldn't get, you know, long

1775
01:43:01,900 --> 01:43:05,100
long time, you know, not able to
get work because of this.

1776
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:10,600
And so I got back a letter from
the FBI saying we can neither

1777
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:14,400
confirm nor deny because of
national security reasons for

1778
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:18,000
why your on why we're saying you
have a criminal background.

1779
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:23,600
And so that's been the thing
that I've had to face, but

1780
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:26,700
through through this whole
thing, the Lord is always

1781
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:29,900
provided for me and my family,
we've always had food.

1782
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:33,700
We've always had a place to
stay, always had the ability to

1783
01:43:33,700 --> 01:43:38,800
care for myself and my family
and the Lord has filled every

1784
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:40,700
Gap.
When didn't think was possible,

1785
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:43,900
when it was literally
impossible, the Lord filled the

1786
01:43:43,900 --> 01:43:50,300
Gap, you know, and I ask those
two questions. because, I'm a

1787
01:43:50,300 --> 01:43:54,600
big believer in.
Knowing what you're getting

1788
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:58,200
into.
Absolutely, and I don't want

1789
01:43:58,200 --> 01:44:02,300
anyone coming into this being a
Sunshine Patriot as Thomas.

1790
01:44:02,300 --> 01:44:07,500
Paine, would say, right?
And so, you have to understand

1791
01:44:07,500 --> 01:44:12,500
that.
Well, my grandfather was a pilot

1792
01:44:12,500 --> 01:44:18,400
and World in World War Two, and
he had this great saying if

1793
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:24,200
you're not taking flak, you're
not over the target. yep, and

1794
01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:31,900
you need to know that this is
going to come however I know God

1795
01:44:31,900 --> 01:44:38,500
is the same yesterday today and
forever, he doesn't change the

1796
01:44:38,500 --> 01:44:44,900
same God, the god of Abraham,
Isaac, and Jacob is very

1797
01:44:44,900 --> 01:44:48,400
concerned with Mankind's
freedom.

1798
01:44:50,200 --> 01:44:53,900
And if it was good enough for
our fathers, are our founding

1799
01:44:53,900 --> 01:44:58,300
fathers, when they said, we will
rely on the protection of Divine

1800
01:44:58,300 --> 01:45:02,400
Providence.
We can expect the same blessings

1801
01:45:02,500 --> 01:45:07,300
to come our way.
We can expect that same promise

1802
01:45:07,700 --> 01:45:11,800
to still go forward because
America is a covenanted land,

1803
01:45:11,800 --> 01:45:14,400
right?
Let's not let's not gloss at

1804
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:18,400
over.
And so if we want that

1805
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:22,500
protection, we have to be
willing to, you know, just as

1806
01:45:22,500 --> 01:45:24,900
the founders did what?
And it sounds like what you've

1807
01:45:24,900 --> 01:45:31,400
had to do which is placed on the
altar, you know you're Or your

1808
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:36,100
your life fortune and sacred
honor.

1809
01:45:36,300 --> 01:45:42,300
Right that those those things
Place those on the Altar and and

1810
01:45:42,300 --> 01:45:44,100
go forward with a sense of
boldness.

1811
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:47,400
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
It.

1812
01:45:47,900 --> 01:45:52,100
And I kind of alluded that
earlier, you know, we have to

1813
01:45:52,100 --> 01:45:56,500
realize that this isn't You
know, I just show up and hold a

1814
01:45:56,500 --> 01:45:59,100
sign and and now all of a sudden
everything is, you know,

1815
01:45:59,100 --> 01:46:01,600
hunky-dory.
This is real, it's serious.

1816
01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:04,600
The thing.
Is real, and it's very serious.

1817
01:46:04,700 --> 01:46:09,200
And we have to recognize that
coming in.

1818
01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:13,400
But also again, like I said,
recognize that the Lord fills

1819
01:46:13,400 --> 01:46:16,700
the Gap, the Lord brings us the
blessings and provides

1820
01:46:16,700 --> 01:46:20,800
everything that we need.
If we show our faith first, it's

1821
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:25,900
the faith first.
And then the Lord comes in and

1822
01:46:25,900 --> 01:46:27,400
does what we can't do it for
ourselves.

1823
01:46:28,100 --> 01:46:33,000
Absolutely, you know, one of the
things that got me really

1824
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:38,300
involved in what I'm doing.
Now, is this idea of what What

1825
01:46:38,300 --> 01:46:40,400
were my kids?
Our grandkids going to ask me

1826
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:44,000
about the times that we lived
in, but what did you do?

1827
01:46:45,100 --> 01:46:48,500
And my worst fear is to say,
well, I wore a mask and I hid

1828
01:46:48,500 --> 01:46:52,400
behind a door, right?
Or I kind of pardon the

1829
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:56,800
expression I pushed out, right?
I didn't stand when, when it was

1830
01:46:56,800 --> 01:47:03,100
time to stand and I feel like
and it's and again, I'm not just

1831
01:47:03,100 --> 01:47:06,600
paying lip service here.
I feel like you've done a really

1832
01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:10,500
good job in illustrating.
This is that sometimes you've

1833
01:47:10,500 --> 01:47:18,500
got to put it all on the altar,
but I just can't see a topic

1834
01:47:18,500 --> 01:47:22,000
that is or a cause that's more
worthy than this.

1835
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:26,100
Because, look, I do believe
Reagan said it best, right?

1836
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:31,200
The world's hopes lie with
America and America's hopes lie

1837
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:34,100
with Right?
And so, we have to be willing to

1838
01:47:34,100 --> 01:47:39,200
be a little loud, a little
Rowdy, sometimes, not not, not

1839
01:47:39,200 --> 01:47:44,900
set crap on fire kind of cloudy,
but you know, let your voice be

1840
01:47:44,900 --> 01:47:47,700
heard a little bit.
How do you address?

1841
01:47:48,900 --> 01:47:50,500
Because here's the other thing,
right?

1842
01:47:50,600 --> 01:47:53,700
Because I'm definitely this guy
when we were talking earlier on

1843
01:47:53,700 --> 01:47:56,200
the podcast you said you're
naturally kind of shy and

1844
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:59,300
reserved I'm kind of the same
way, right?

1845
01:47:59,300 --> 01:48:02,700
I tend to be like just shut the
You're so I don't have to see

1846
01:48:02,700 --> 01:48:06,500
anybody else right to party and
I'm the guy in the corner and

1847
01:48:06,500 --> 01:48:08,500
I'm like, I'm good over here,
right?

1848
01:48:08,900 --> 01:48:11,000
I saw this shirt.
It said, I'm sorry.

1849
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:12,400
I'm late.
I didn't want to be here.

1850
01:48:12,500 --> 01:48:16,500
Exactly.
Exactly.

1851
01:48:16,500 --> 01:48:20,900
And yet I find myself behind
this microphone, these guys that

1852
01:48:20,900 --> 01:48:22,800
don't want to do that are the
ones behind the mic.

1853
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:24,400
Exactly.
Exactly.

1854
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:30,200
And so how do you, how would you
tell somebody to get over that

1855
01:48:30,200 --> 01:48:32,900
fear?
Right of Of raising your voice,

1856
01:48:34,100 --> 01:48:42,000
what has helped you get past it.
It's that idea of nobody else is

1857
01:48:42,200 --> 01:48:45,000
is going to do it.
I'm responsible for my

1858
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:46,400
salvation.
I'm responsible.

1859
01:48:46,600 --> 01:48:49,000
The Lord is going to hold me
accountable for what I did and

1860
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:53,900
didn't do the in C-130 for Lord
holds us accountable for actions

1861
01:48:53,900 --> 01:48:57,000
in relation to government both
in what laws are made in how

1862
01:48:57,000 --> 01:49:00,400
they are administered.
I am held accountable.

1863
01:49:02,700 --> 01:49:07,500
If there's I have to do, I have
to, you know, I have to put my

1864
01:49:07,500 --> 01:49:10,800
big pants on my big boy pants on
and just do what the Lord wants

1865
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:17,800
me to do. do I want the
blessings or don't I Yeah.

1866
01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:23,600
I remember when I fired up this
microphone for the first time

1867
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:26,700
and had no idea what I was doing
and I had on my first guest.

1868
01:49:28,500 --> 01:49:31,800
And it was about two minutes
before I hit the record button

1869
01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:35,800
where I sat there and I thought
do I really want to do this

1870
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:38,000
right?
Do I really want to put myself

1871
01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:41,400
out here like this?
We answer was no, I don't want

1872
01:49:41,400 --> 01:49:43,800
it horse, right?
Yeah.

1873
01:49:43,900 --> 01:49:49,400
However If I'm going to do this
let's do this with a certain

1874
01:49:49,400 --> 01:49:53,400
sense of Reckless.
Abandon absolutely right.

1875
01:49:53,500 --> 01:49:56,400
Just and again pardon the
expression.

1876
01:49:57,300 --> 01:49:59,900
Go balls out.
Don't don't hold anything back.

1877
01:49:59,900 --> 01:50:01,500
Go balls to the walls, right?
Right.

1878
01:50:01,500 --> 01:50:04,300
Don't don't hold back.
Just let it go.

1879
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:08,500
Yeah and out of that Springs.
Those blessings we were talking

1880
01:50:08,500 --> 01:50:10,600
about before you put yourself
out there.

1881
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:12,400
You might as well do it right?
Yeah.

1882
01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:16,700
Don't don't hold back and I'm
not going to lie to people, it

1883
01:50:16,700 --> 01:50:20,200
is kind of spooky, right?
It's not something that that as

1884
01:50:20,200 --> 01:50:22,900
humans, I think were innately
born with that.

1885
01:50:22,900 --> 01:50:28,700
I think some people are but I
think I think the guys who who

1886
01:50:28,700 --> 01:50:31,000
are really going to make a
difference or usually kind of

1887
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:33,700
reluctant right because they
feel like they got better crap

1888
01:50:33,700 --> 01:50:36,800
to do, right?
Well most of my case, I think

1889
01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:39,400
there's other people that could
do a better job, dude.

1890
01:50:39,400 --> 01:50:41,900
I know there's somebody at can
do a way better job.

1891
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:45,000
I say it all the time.
I'm a clown with a microphone.

1892
01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:50,300
Got no business doing this, but
at the end of the day, it was

1893
01:50:50,300 --> 01:50:52,700
what I felt.
God has laid on my heart.

1894
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:56,500
Yeah.
And while never pretend to say

1895
01:50:56,500 --> 01:51:02,300
that I know the mind and will of
the Almighty I know him well

1896
01:51:02,300 --> 01:51:05,600
enough that when something's
laid on your heart, it's time to

1897
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:08,500
do it.
And I would just say this if

1898
01:51:08,500 --> 01:51:14,500
you're listening to this podcast
at this time, it's for a reason.

1899
01:51:15,300 --> 01:51:18,600
It's for a reason you don't find
yourself here and I'm not

1900
01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:20,700
talking about my podcast in
particular.

1901
01:51:20,700 --> 01:51:23,200
I'm talking about this period in
time.

1902
01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:26,700
You don't find yourself here by
accident, you have everything

1903
01:51:26,700 --> 01:51:30,900
you need to get it done, right?
I find myself being oddly.

1904
01:51:31,100 --> 01:51:34,000
Fall in weird ways because I'm
naturally pessimistic in the

1905
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:38,700
little bit skeptical usually
across the board, right?

1906
01:51:38,700 --> 01:51:41,900
But there is a bit of Hope in
the sense that we're seeing The

1907
01:51:41,900 --> 01:51:45,900
Gatekeepers fall.
And so these messages can go

1908
01:51:45,900 --> 01:51:51,900
forward a little easier than
what they ever could before, you

1909
01:51:51,900 --> 01:51:54,300
know 20 years ago.
What we're doing right now.

1910
01:51:54,500 --> 01:51:56,000
Couldn't happen.
No.

1911
01:51:57,500 --> 01:52:00,700
No, no, it's the tech, wasn't
there?

1912
01:52:01,100 --> 01:52:04,000
The the idea wasn't there, but
somehow we're here.

1913
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:06,500
Now, they build it yet to get
the message out.

1914
01:52:06,500 --> 01:52:10,000
Just in possum, is ridiculous or
in the morning, like a special

1915
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:13,000
time where the Lord is opened up
a way for the message to get

1916
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:14,300
out.
Can you imagine if you had the

1917
01:52:14,300 --> 01:52:18,700
like print out pamphlets?
Oh, and share the information

1918
01:52:18,700 --> 01:52:20,700
your podcast out?
That was the way to do it.

1919
01:52:21,400 --> 01:52:23,000
It's crazy.
Yeah.

1920
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:25,600
Yeah, dude, there's no way I do
it back then, right.

1921
01:52:25,600 --> 01:52:29,200
I mean, look, I'll admit You
mentioned Pioneer day.

1922
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:31,600
I've been like, what's wrong
with Missouri?

1923
01:52:31,700 --> 01:52:34,100
I mean really, you know what's
wrong with Illinois?

1924
01:52:34,200 --> 01:52:38,400
I know they're trying to kill us
but all of our craps here

1925
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:40,200
anyway.
Let's think this over a little

1926
01:52:40,200 --> 01:52:44,700
bit right.
Likewise, he printing pamphlets

1927
01:52:44,700 --> 01:52:47,100
used to be a pain of.
Oh yeah.

1928
01:52:47,500 --> 01:52:49,100
You know, Extraordinary
Measures.

1929
01:52:49,100 --> 01:52:53,400
We don't have that issue.
Now, I think now we have a heart

1930
01:52:53,400 --> 01:52:56,800
issue, right?
Getting finding your strengths

1931
01:52:56,800 --> 01:53:00,600
and No, but well she with the
message right here, in Utah,

1932
01:53:00,700 --> 01:53:03,100
right?
Both of us, you know, me me

1933
01:53:03,100 --> 01:53:06,500
going and saying that.
I don't agree with the person

1934
01:53:06,500 --> 01:53:09,000
that most people in the state of
Utah believed to be a prophet

1935
01:53:09,300 --> 01:53:11,700
and then you know then the
topics that you cover.

1936
01:53:12,100 --> 01:53:14,300
That's that's not something
that's socially acceptable.

1937
01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:20,500
No no no and you know it's funny
my wife and I had to have this

1938
01:53:20,500 --> 01:53:24,400
conversation.
What am I willing to suffer?

1939
01:53:25,200 --> 01:53:28,400
In order to do this, right,
right?

1940
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:31,900
Um, am I willing to suffer
losing my job?

1941
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:34,600
Am I willing to suffer maybe
having to move?

1942
01:53:34,600 --> 01:53:38,600
Am I willing to suffer?
You name it right?

1943
01:53:38,600 --> 01:53:40,400
And and the answer always came
back.

1944
01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:43,300
Yeah.
Because it's what God laid on my

1945
01:53:43,300 --> 01:53:47,200
heart and and my wife received a
testimony of it.

1946
01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:50,700
So here we go.
Right, here we go.

1947
01:53:51,700 --> 01:53:54,700
So yeah, no, it's definitely
interesting time.

1948
01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:58,000
Times, we live in Ben.
We've been at this now, almost

1949
01:53:58,000 --> 01:53:59,700
two hours.
Oh, my goodness.

1950
01:54:00,100 --> 01:54:02,900
So what do you want to say in
conclusion?

1951
01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:10,000
But I hope people will will
recognize, you know, we're there

1952
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:12,900
listening to your podcast, I'm
assuming that they have some

1953
01:54:12,900 --> 01:54:15,800
kind of belief in the
restoration and that they

1954
01:54:15,800 --> 01:54:19,700
believe that the that the cause
of Christ is the cause of

1955
01:54:19,700 --> 01:54:21,800
Liberty and the cause of Liberty
is the cause of Christ.

1956
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:25,400
And then if we are going to
stand with Christ, that we are

1957
01:54:25,400 --> 01:54:30,400
going to do what we did to get a
body in the first place, and

1958
01:54:30,400 --> 01:54:34,900
that is to be actively engaged
in the cause of Defending agency

1959
01:54:34,900 --> 01:54:36,200
against those that seek to
destroy.

1960
01:54:37,700 --> 01:54:42,800
And I, you know, I hope that
they will choose to be involved

1961
01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:45,000
through what I'm doing, but it's
not that they find something

1962
01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:47,000
else.
The Lord is guiding them to, I

1963
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:51,400
hope that they are engaged in
the cause of Christ to defend Us

1964
01:54:51,400 --> 01:54:54,900
in this time.
That is something that all the

1965
01:54:54,900 --> 01:54:59,600
ancient prophets saw and
prophesied of and if they are

1966
01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:03,300
engaged in their apart of that.
And so that that we can be found

1967
01:55:03,300 --> 01:55:07,100
together as we build Zion and
Therefore, the return of the

1968
01:55:07,108 --> 01:55:09,200
savior.
Perfect.

1969
01:55:09,200 --> 01:55:11,100
That's awesome.
All right, real quick.

1970
01:55:11,100 --> 01:55:13,500
What's the name of the book
coming out in three weeks?

1971
01:55:13,900 --> 01:55:17,600
It will, huh?
It's to be determined but it is

1972
01:55:18,500 --> 01:55:22,000
how the international conspiracy
has infiltrated your community

1973
01:55:22,600 --> 01:55:25,500
perfect.
And they find that where tree of

1974
01:55:25,500 --> 01:55:29,100
Liberty Society, if you just
subscribe to our email list, you

1975
01:55:29,100 --> 01:55:32,900
will get a free PDF copy and
you'll be notified when the

1976
01:55:32,900 --> 01:55:34,800
print copies are available.
Awesome.

1977
01:55:35,600 --> 01:55:38,500
Then dude, it was awesome.
I'm talking to you.

1978
01:55:38,500 --> 01:55:41,100
I can't so much for the invite.
I can't tell you how much I

1979
01:55:41,108 --> 01:55:44,000
enjoyed our conversation and
let's not make this one-time

1980
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:46,700
thing as things continue to
progress.

1981
01:55:46,700 --> 01:55:49,400
And I've said this to all my
guests and I mean it because

1982
01:55:49,400 --> 01:55:53,000
I've already proven it.
If there's something that comes

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up that you feel like needs to
get out, you hit me up and I'll

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make, I'll make the time and,
and likewise, when I see certain

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things come up on my radar, I'll
reach out to you.

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And let's, let's let's let's
keep doing this because I feel

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like it's important stuff that
you can't talk about the gospel

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without talking about Liberty
and individual Freedom.

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So let's not make this a
one-time thing.

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All right, bud, I look forward
to it.

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All right, you're awesome.
Everybody talking.

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Next time.
Bye.