Episode #35: Science With No Agenda, Exploring the Universal Model W/Russ Barlow

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No matter what kind of society
people live in those societies,

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have narratives the narratives
that any society are group of

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spouses, our beliefs becomes the
framework on how that Society or

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group functions and behaves.
So let's look back at the

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pandemic.
What was the narrative there?

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It was follow the science around
the climate change debate.

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The Narrative has been the
science is settled.

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It is from that starting point
of those two narratives that

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Society has made its decisions
concerning Public policy.

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So let's look at the outcomes in
our society of operating within

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that narrative.
In the case of covid, we had

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businesses lost.
People isolated and children's

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development.
Stunted in the case of climate

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change, we have had whole
sectors of the energy production

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industry shutdown which is
caused skyrocketing prices on

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almost everything.
But what if the science that we

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follow isn't correct?
What if the science really

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hasn't been settled?
And spoiler alert.

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The science is never seven.
That's the whole point of

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science.
Now as Mormons and Believers in

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the judeo Christian tradition,
we've been taught that we can't

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comment on science because we
believe in a God, but is Mormons

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and Believers, shouldn't we
expect science to work

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seamlessly hand-in-hand with our
religions?

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What if I told you it did on
this episode I have on Russ

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Barlow Russell's a man who along
with others has dedicated a good

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portion of his life to learning
and studying science.

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The fruit of that study is the
universal model.

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The universal model is a look at
science without an agenda, it is

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based on evidence and
experiments that test.

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The current scientific
narrative.

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As I have looked at the
universal model, it is hard to

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poke holes in what it teaches.
When you approach the universal

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model from an honest
perspective, what you find is

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that science and that the
revealed word of God.

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Did you walk seamlessly
together?

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Throughout my conversation with
rest, my mind was blown several

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times at what the universe Jamal
not only teaches but how it

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teaches you to think.
Now, I normally don't do this

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but you'll want to stick around
and tune in a couple of weeks

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for a follow-up conversation
with Russ, it's going to be

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epic.
Also, for this episode, you're

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website, Mormon Renegade.com,

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there you'll find the pictures
we reference in this episode, as

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well as a code for 20% off, if
you choose to buy the universal

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model, curriculum, all that's
next on this episode of the

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Well, Russ thanks for being
here, man.

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I can't tell you how excited I
am to talk to you.

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I'm glad to be here.
Dave.

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It's kind of exciting.
Yeah, so, you know, I have been

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to a couple different like Book
of Mormon evidence conferences

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and I've always just kind of
peeked in and heard different

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presentations on the universal
model and I was always intrigued

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because I feel like it's science
but yet it's it's not just

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science with with a religious
twist, it's science.

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It feels like true science.
Like I've never I've never

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looked at things like that
before and felt the spirit.

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I remember sitting through
school as a kid and just hating

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geology and stuff.
I remember I had to take a

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course in soils in college and
man, I was like medieval torture

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was a lot more pleasant than
soils class, it would have had

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to have been.
So for the work you do, I think

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is just so tremendous Well, I
have to tell you that it came

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about almost accidentally.
Now, I'm always loved science

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when I was a kid.
My mom dad gave me a telescope

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when I was probably 10 or 12
just a little teeny little

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3-inch Tasco telescope and I
froze.

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My butt off outside in the
middle of winter looking for

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stars and looking at at Saturn
and Jupiter, but I didn't really

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have any formal teaching, there
were no star parties.

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I got to go to, so it was just
kind of all by myself.

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And so science has always been
interesting but mostly in the

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area of stars and planets and
things.

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And and what happened is in the
2000, economic downturn, I'm in

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the construction industry.
And during that time as when the

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tech Bubble Burst and there was
just kind of this crisis, and we

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thought we'd go out of business.
And so in a moment of fear, I

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decided, oh no, I needed a
college degree because nobody

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would hire me if I lost my job.
And and I think that was the

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Lord actually making me afraid
to send me to college.

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And so I went and one of the
courses that was required was a

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science course, with a lab.
And I thought I'm not going to

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take a strong enemy.
Even when I really love that,

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I'm going to take something
different.

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I'm going to take a geology
class and then because I

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couldn't stand the thought of
going through a Humanities

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class.
I convince the professor.

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To let me take concurrently
400-level archaeology class with

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my geology class, and so,
because I was older, he figured,

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I probably had the stay with it
enough to go.

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And so I took those two
concurrently that just blew my

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doors off.
I could not get enough because I

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was actually experiencing and
seeing and understanding things

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but I had I knew nothing about
the universal model yet.

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But I was out on a field trip
out to Red Rock State Park.

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And while we were there, this
was a field trip that the

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professor, the lab Professor had
organized, and she was

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explaining all these different
things about sandstone.

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And then she asked us, this
question is, how did the red and

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white Sandstone form and it's
not in layers.

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It just kind of.
Looks like somebody took a

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paintbrush and waved it over
there is some white and red and

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I was pretty excited to hear how
it Formed except she says we

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don't know we don't have no idea
how it formed but in that

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moment, you know, people like
call it Serendipity kind of in

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in some circles but for me that
was the spirit.

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The Holy Ghost saying you're
going to know how this form and

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that was something I hurt you.
You will know how this formed I

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was so excited, my poor wife
because I went home and I said,

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honey, I got to start our study
in sand and I don't know why but

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I'm I started collecting sand
from everywhere around the world

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and just diving into this.
It's funny.

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What we put our wives through,
sometimes for us, like when I

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when I came, when I came home,
when I had the prompting to do

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this podcast, now, this is my
first go, right.

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I mean, I've I have zero
experience to nothing as far as

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Communications.
I remember, I came home with

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with a laptop and a microphone,
my wife's like what are you

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gonna do with that?
And I said I'm going to start a

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podcast and she just kind of
looked at me and she's like, you

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know, really with some of the
other Dia ideas.

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You've had this one isn't too
bad, right?

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This you've had worse ideas.
So yeah, the the stuff we put

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our wives through when we when
we tend to to start something

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new like this as always got to
be somewhat entertaining from

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their point of view.
Right.

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Well that that event and ice
cream.

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So I spent about four years or
so just going through the He'd

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Rat Race and gosh, I was
frustrated because you really

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had no ability to question or
ask questions especially if I

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believed in creation or God.
I just wanted to talk to the

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science about you know really
exploring it.

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Could we actually ask these
questions and I was so irritated

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that they would put down every
idea.

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In fact I got so frustrated that
the biology teacher I just set

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out to prove him wrong and prove
this test wrong and it was and

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it was More of a.
I was just, I just was

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frustrated, but I started to
blend my Theology and other

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words, I literally started to
think what the smart guys were

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saying, and taking what the
Bible says.

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And that's, that's, that's what
you're doing to your kind of

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shoving, their, it's called
eisegesis, where you shoving

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your worldview into the Bible.
And so I'm thinking about, you

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know, how did billions of years
and evolution fit and what the

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scriptures were saying.
And I began to imagine A pox of

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time rather than days.
And I began to imagine planets

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that were with Dinosaurs out
there somewhere being cobbled

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together to make this planet.
And I think the lot of people in

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our Circle in the LDS Circle,
kind of have that, they're

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trying to mix these things and
put them together and I got to

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do that on.
Maybe you could call it a

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professional scale for a while.
What what does that do to your

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faith when you start trying to
do that?

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Well, it causes face crisis
moment and you if you believe in

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your strong enough in your
belief then you just think,

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okay, I don't know and it must
have will make sense somewhere

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but if you don't really know for
sure what your faith is I was

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older.
So I was in my older years I'd

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already had a pretty solid
foundation, but if I was a kid,

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there were lots of young people
there.

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I would say, gosh, you know,
that old story that's in the

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Bible, that's kind of it just a
myth.

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It's the same as the Babylonian
myth of the Gilgamesh, it's the

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same as the popol vuh myth.
It's the same as the Native

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American stories about bears and
coyotes spread and stars across

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the sky.
So, these are creation myths,

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that are dismissed as
meaningless and pointless.

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And the Bible story would have
to fit in that if you are just

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going to accept, what was being
taught in school, my daughter

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right now is in college and It's
been interesting to watch,

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because I feel like right now,
the the college experience for

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someone to Faith is probably one
of those who probably two maybe

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three things one is, is that if
you go there and like you said

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you weren't strong, chances, are
you're going to come out

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believing even less than when
you went in.

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Well I would venture to say that
today which is been 20 plus

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years since I went back today is
is exponentially worse than it

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was.
And I think you go in with a

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strong testimony you still lose
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You 90% of are 90% of the
members of not just that the

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mainstream church but of all
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lose their testimony.
That are going to college right

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now and these numbers.
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leadership of these different
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the church.
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outflow of members and one of
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Science is a conflict because
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modern minds of the young
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They have more confidence in
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Yeah, but that's yeah.
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is that you go and you just shut
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tell, you know, you were kind of
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you to regurgitate.
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is that you have, you all
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individual to you.
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faith.
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things, right, and I think
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so refreshing about the
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questioning still exist there.
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is I think there was a time when
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was just, you know, first
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college or whatever that it was
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How to think not what to think.
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there's almost a militarism
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you're going to tow that line if
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Well and I want to stay tonight,
I want to stay focused more on

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the universal model, but one of
my most powerful presentation in

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tations because what I believe I
take history is also of great

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interest to me.
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science, and I put it together
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first with Adam and then, with
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And so on, there is a, there's
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And I think it's actually a lot
worse than simply telling them

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to shut up.
I think when we send our kids to

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school today, we're literally
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that, you know, the great and
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And Mind and I think and I've
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and I've got a pretty powerful
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It is not a theory.
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step by step process of how
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set out to take our children and
it's coincides with the

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restoration of the Gospel.
It is a massive battle and when

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we send our kids to public
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them to the enemy school to be
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Me and think about this if you
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to have a school and you want to
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want to do is get rid of what
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And so what they've done is cut
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send them to school and they
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churches.
Your own strength, they can't

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even use it.
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the enemy.
We might as well have sent

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Shadrach Meshach and Abednego
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princes that happened and it's
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You know, that's funny.
You should say that because just

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just this last week, I read a
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Young's talks where he said, he
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He's like, I'm not for
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Why would we send our kids to
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So schools?
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this.
So I think that's enough on the

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negativity part of the of it,
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I really want to focus like you
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model because I feel like
sometimes we can get dragged

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down by just complaining about
something and I'm sick of

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hearing what people are against.
I want to hear what people are

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four.
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I am starting to understand is
that, as Believers of all

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Stripes, whether you're a
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Is whether you're a Baptist or a
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we're going to have to kind of
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little bit.
And I think one of those boxes

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that we have to think out of is
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For sure, but I think that what
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so much, a replacement of the
education as an idea that we

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when we send our kids, whatever
they do and they send them out

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into the world.
We actually need to arm them

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with knowledge and with a way to
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don't have it.
So those two things are

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fundamentally important.
You can't just go into the enemy

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school and know nothing and then
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Regurgitate what your parents
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have no Foundation because
you'll get neaten up and spit

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out.
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example in the Bible we have to
take what Genesis says and if we

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can honestly look at it from a
scientific point of view to

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there's an amazing amount of
information that's right there.

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It's it's actually more
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Might imagine it describes the
shape of the Earth It describes

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the original material, the earth
is made of it describes, the

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placement of the stuff, and it's
actually just in the first two

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chapters are.
Literally books of information

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that are related to science, and
that's what the universal model

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actually does.
It's not a religious book and so

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it doesn't quote, the Bible, it
doesn't say this is what the

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Bible said.
Therefore this is It's a book

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based on science and it, it's
It's arduously long and so you

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got to have some staying power
to read all through the first

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volume is 800 pages.
And it starts out by asking the

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questions and then Pages later
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And so it's like how do you mean
used to say it deems the author

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and he used to say imagine if
you told your neighbor you're

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going to go out back and start
exercising because tomorrow

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you're going to jump to the
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That's that's kind of how big
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attest to it because my first
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this.
This experience at Red Rock,

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right?
Well let me finish that story up

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and then bring it into the
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So Rob Meldrum is a good friend
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I've known him for many years
long before he was doing his

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science.
In his information about Book of

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Mormon geography, he actually
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industry as a window salesman
and he worked with me, he and I

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would get together.
We work in the day, he'd stay at

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my house at night and we talked
all night and then later he

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moved to Utah and work for our
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So we were really close friends
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And then we kind of diverged.
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went into college.
He actually started doing

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research for Dean sessions as
the researcher on the universal

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model.
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And so for about four years, we
have no contact with each other

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as I was learning the the
universal model side and I'm

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learning the modern science side
and then one day he calls and we

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have the most extraordinary
experience that lasts a really

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long time and he tells me about
Dean sessions who actually has

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made sandstone in his garage and
I'm oh my word and I was ready

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to 3:00 in the morning.
I was ready to get my car drive

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down to Phoenix for Dean was and
I wanted to see this crotch lab

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that made sense.
In stone.

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We ended up arranging a meeting
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Tucson at The Rock Show and went
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mind-blowing the next year.
And this is in 2005 is when we

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got together and Dean and Rod
and I we took a 10-day

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scientific Excursion to mount
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Helens, to do some research
there, and that it was just a

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whirlwind after that and within
two years I was full-time

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editor.
I'm not a professional editor.

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It was a calling it was
unbelievably spiritual and

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Powerful when Dean and I both
had an individual, but separate,

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I knew we had separate
experiences that that both

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confirmed that was my job.
That ended up being more than

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20,000 hours invested in the
editing because I would check

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every single reference.
That being said, and my

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experience and training.
In the science of, this gave me

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a very unique perspective
because I, when I took science,

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I didn't Stop with just geology.
I ended up taking chemistry and

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biology and Archeology
environmental science.

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I took every science class I
could because it was just

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something was just I was on
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And that gave me the ability to
talk with biologists and

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geologists kind of in their
language and, but it also gave

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me the ability to kind of hold
Dean accountable for some of the

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things.
Now, this is Dean's book and

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he's the author, he's the
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and I'm grateful to him for what
the work he's done and for his

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willingness to listen, but there
are things in there.

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And I like to say this all the
time, the universe of the model

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is true.
Even if it's not correct and

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everything that it says, because
it's made by math, it's not

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perfect.
It's not like this Revelation

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that came down and boom, that's
all there is to it.

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It is a magnificent powerful
example of how science should be

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conducted, get out their
experiment, ask questions.

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And so hopefully this is the
Catalyst to cause this next

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Generation that like you said,
you couldn't hardly stand

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science but to want to do
science because Is it's actually

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true.
It's based on spiritual and

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scriptural events and So, that
brings us up to the point that

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we're working on it.
So as you're editing this book

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right you're kind of going
through there and you've already

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been taught out of a University
at any point because I'm going

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to share a story here in a
second at any point.

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Did you look and go why, you
know, I feel like a lot of my

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time there was not, as valuable
as it could have been had.

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I been out in the field with
Dean That's that's interesting

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because I actually didn't feel
that way.

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I was frustrated while I was in
the school but when I got to

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working on the universal model,
I was so grateful to have had

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that exposure.
Okay.

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So there wasn't wasted time it
was it allowed me to understand

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their thinking and it allowed me
to understand being stinking so

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I could put it together and
talking in terms of of the

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language that's correct.
Or if he missed stated or didn't

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understand something, I was able
to bring those two things

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together.
So then I'm by no means, am I

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this expert?
But I had a lot of formal

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training that allowed me to do
that and I think that was a

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blessing now after that, once I
was involved in the um, I really

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have a hard time with the
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Now as I go through the books
and do things because I know so

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much more that it's just a lot
more difficult to just turn a

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blind eye to so much that's
misstated or wrong.

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I don't know if I could even get
through another class today.

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I don't know, I don't know.
I'm a land surveyor by

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profession and I remember I
surveyed for a couple of Summers

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and then I went to college to
take courses in it.

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And I learned real quick that I
was going to learn more by doing

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it.
Then I was by sitting there and

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listening to someone tell me I
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And I remember this was driven
home by the gentleman who

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actually put me through school.
He saw something in me and he

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was like, your kind of good at
this.

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You should probably stick with
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Let me put you through school
and I remember I came in one day

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after school, I'd always go by
and his name was Doug and Doug.

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Was my father passed when I was
13 in a lot of ways.

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Doug willingly stepped up to
fill that void.

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But I remember, I'd come in just
irritated Russ.

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I'd be like they're telling me
to do this and this and this.

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And he just said, You're going
to have to play the game a

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little bit, but if I ever catch
you doing that, yeah, I'm gonna

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break your legs, don't do that.
So I remember feeling a certain

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amount of of chafing.
If you will, I being out in the

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field versus when I was in
school and that was the first

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time I made this, this startling
Revelation that well, maybe just

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because they Wear Ties doesn't
make them necessarily

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authorities on the subject,
right?

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And in our experience, talking
with people that are in the

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professional, that have degrees,
if you're a degreed geologist,

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it's doing field work.
Like if you're a geotag or

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00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:14,300
somebody that has the hands-on
experience, we find that those

449
00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:19,000
people are hundred times more
willing to listen because some

450
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,400
of the things we propose are the
Mysteries.

451
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:26,400
They're not answered where we
find absolute difficulty like

452
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:32,400
just Just a complete
stonewalling is when there are

453
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,000
just a professor or there
somebody that is the teacher and

454
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,000
they're kind of trained on
philosophy and theory and

455
00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:41,400
they've got all of that behind
him but there's not as much

456
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,800
fieldwork.
That's a big huge difference in

457
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,100
who's willing and has an open
mind in his objective about

458
00:27:48,100 --> 00:27:52,500
these ideas versus who's not?
So yeah, hands on.

459
00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:56,300
I think it is not only a better
way to learn but it's an

460
00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:58,800
open-minded way.
Way to learn as well.

461
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,000
Yeah.
So let's get back to your story

462
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,900
here a little bit.
So as you're editing all this

463
00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:10,500
and and When I can only imagine
the back-and-forth you and Dean

464
00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:14,700
must have had right?
Because and correct me if I'm

465
00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:16,600
wrong here.
The first thing I think about is

466
00:28:16,900 --> 00:28:20,200
is like the founders when they
were hammering out the, the

467
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,900
Constitution, right?
All right.

468
00:28:22,900 --> 00:28:26,200
I'm guessing neither of you are
weak individuals and so you're

469
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,200
probably butting heads a little
bit even lovingly, right?

470
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:34,000
Sure.
So Being deep is a driver

471
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,400
personality and I think he has
this his contrarian ability.

472
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:44,000
You know, this is mindset means
he's questioning everything and

473
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,300
that comes out pretty pretty
caustic and in a lot of ways

474
00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:55,100
because he's just, you become,
you become distrustful of any of

475
00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:59,400
these things because you've seen
so much of it and so he's came

476
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,100
out really - and people wouldn't
really give him I'm serious

477
00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:07,700
suggestions on what to change
because he was so bent on.

478
00:29:07,700 --> 00:29:10,500
This is the way it had to be and
so that was something different

479
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:13,500
with me as he actually listened.
I was probably the only one that

480
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:16,900
could basically tell him.
We fall crop on this.

481
00:29:16,900 --> 00:29:22,100
And and he would listen and, and
I say that with with a lot of

482
00:29:22,108 --> 00:29:26,500
respect because I got to see his
notes and I got to see how he

483
00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:30,300
thought and he had, you know,
for example, just one chapter

484
00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:34,800
chapter 5 is the Magma suitable
Theory at 65 pages long.

485
00:29:35,300 --> 00:29:39,000
But the, the work that the
notebooks that went into it,

486
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,100
we're like five or six big four
inch notebooks, with Journal,

487
00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:46,800
articles, highlighted annotated
and probably 10 books.

488
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,500
And as we go along, I would buy
every book that he had.

489
00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:52,200
I would get those.
I would look at and read how his

490
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,500
notations were and I was just
blown away his ability to see

491
00:29:56,500 --> 00:29:58,000
it.
But yet, when you saw it, it's

492
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,000
true.
What he was saying was true.

493
00:30:00,700 --> 00:30:04,900
And sometimes because of my
mindset, I had a hard time and I

494
00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:07,900
would have to be patient.
And that was something I had to

495
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:10,800
learn with the Lord.
As I had to be really patient

496
00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:14,900
and we might talk for two or
three hours on a subject.

497
00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:18,800
And then finally it would click
and it would be like maybe this

498
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,800
patients needed to work on me
for a while and then it would

499
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,400
all of a sudden click and I'd
know what he was trying to say

500
00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:28,300
and I've literacy, okay, Dina
got to go now Booth, I'd get off

501
00:30:28,300 --> 00:30:31,900
the phone, get into that.
And in start edit because I got

502
00:30:31,900 --> 00:30:34,300
it.
And there were so many times

503
00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:37,200
where I couldn't understand, or
it was just, I thought he was

504
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,300
nuts and it just took take time
and patience.

505
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:43,100
Incidentally, let me tell you a
story.

506
00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:49,000
When I first started the first
65 Pages, took almost an entire

507
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:54,200
year to edit and it's because I
was learning not just about the

508
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:59,200
science but I was also learning
the spirit that I had to be in

509
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,600
to do the editing.
I literally had an experience

510
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,200
that was similar to what Joseph
Smith experienced when he had an

511
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,800
argument with his wife, Emma,
one time, and I had been sharp

512
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,100
with my wife, and I had gone in
there, and I could not the Lord

513
00:31:14,100 --> 00:31:18,500
would not, let me write even one
single word, and it was just, it

514
00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:22,800
was like my hands were frozen.
My mind was off until I finally

515
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,500
got it.
Through my thick skull that I

516
00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:27,600
needed to go make it right with
my wife and my children.

517
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:30,300
And I had that's the reason it
took me.

518
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:34,100
Here is because I spent a year
more or less being trained, how

519
00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:37,500
to listen to the spirit.
And I couldn't have the

520
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:42,500
influences of me being an
honorary guy or, you know, being

521
00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:46,800
in that kind of a mindset and
editing this book that to me,

522
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,500
was one of the biggest
testimonies of the truth that we

523
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:52,400
were working with is because I
couldn't do it.

524
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:57,000
Unless I was absolutely of the
mindset that I was willing to be

525
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,900
an open open source with the
Lord as much as possible.

526
00:32:01,900 --> 00:32:04,200
And I'm not saying I was that
way all throughout the whole

527
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:09,700
thing but I had to learn that.
And so for that first year, I

528
00:32:09,708 --> 00:32:13,400
took almost the entire year off
of work, just to focus and learn

529
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:19,100
how to get in that kind of a
mindset. you know, I think in

530
00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:24,700
some ways that makes a lot of
sense for us because When when

531
00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:30,600
you're going about a book like
that, that is attempting to tell

532
00:32:30,700 --> 00:32:35,500
true world history, right?
I mean geology, how it was made.

533
00:32:37,900 --> 00:32:40,700
I would think that you would
have to be in the mindset to

534
00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:45,700
where you were humble enough to
be able to take whatever, answer

535
00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:48,600
the Lord had for you or
whatever, answer you and Dean

536
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,800
came up with together and I
suppose, I can only speak from

537
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,200
my own experience.
When when I'm fighting with

538
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,700
someone, I tend to get pretty
prideful, right.

539
00:32:57,700 --> 00:33:00,800
If your prideful, you're not
going to be able to be teachable

540
00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:03,100
and you probably run into
problems.

541
00:33:03,100 --> 00:33:04,600
So that actually makes a lot of
sense.

542
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:09,500
That's that, that experience.
Ends a lot of credence to to

543
00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:14,000
probably the the importance of
the work he did there with the

544
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,700
universal mom.
There were many other

545
00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:22,300
experiences along the way I want
to read to you, a quote, this

546
00:33:22,300 --> 00:33:26,100
comes from John Taylor now, John
Taylor, dedicated, the Logan

547
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:30,200
Temple in 1844 1884.
That's the only temporary

548
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,100
dedicated and when he was there
praying and Logan the night

549
00:33:34,100 --> 00:33:38,800
before he was asking the Lord,
what he should do and how he

550
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,800
should dedicate this.
This Temple.

551
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:47,500
And this is the, this is the
prayer from the first dedicatory

552
00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:48,100
prayer.
Okay.

553
00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:50,700
So it's been rededicated but
this you can still find this

554
00:33:50,700 --> 00:33:53,300
online but it says he said we
deal.

555
00:33:53,300 --> 00:33:56,600
God, a few of, I creatures have
built this house underneath

556
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,500
that.
It may be a house of order, a

557
00:33:58,500 --> 00:34:02,200
House of Prayer, a place
acceptable to thee for the

558
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,500
manifestation of thy will and
the teaching and administration

559
00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:08,000
of ordinances.
And the instruction of thy

560
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,199
people and all principles of in,
Science and intelligence

561
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:14,400
pertaining to this life in the
lives to come.

562
00:34:15,500 --> 00:34:17,699
And that was a pretty
eye-opening thing.

563
00:34:17,699 --> 00:34:21,800
To imagine that the temples were
being built for the teaching of

564
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,900
scientific principles relating
to the this life into the lives

565
00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:30,100
to come.
So that puts it on a whole

566
00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:32,300
different level of what science
means.

567
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:40,100
Right, science is the true way
of how worlds are created and

568
00:34:40,100 --> 00:34:46,199
the endowment experience that
Joseph instituted in Nauvoo.

569
00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:49,600
First started off with the
creation.

570
00:34:49,900 --> 00:34:53,400
And so in the endowment, you go
through and you learn the entire

571
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,600
creation process.
Now, today that's been kind of

572
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:03,600
blended with modern, man's ideas
philosophies about Earth,

573
00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:06,800
crashing together, and solar
discs, and all those kind of

574
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,700
things.
So it's kind of that world's

575
00:35:08,700 --> 00:35:11,900
version mingled with the
scriptures that tell us the

576
00:35:11,900 --> 00:35:15,500
story.
But God means to tell us how to

577
00:35:15,500 --> 00:35:21,100
create worlds, And I think if
you understand that, then the

578
00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:24,600
universal model becomes an
eye-opening way of

579
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,400
understanding, some of those
creation processes that I

580
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,100
personally think will eventually
be taught in temples.

581
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:37,600
Wow, so as you guys are creating
this book, that that will be

582
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,600
known as the universal model.
What is your hope for it?

583
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,300
I mean, where do you want to do
with it?

584
00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:46,200
Are you wanting to take it to
two?

585
00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:49,700
Public schools and put it in
there, and try to, you know,

586
00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:52,800
sell it as curriculum.
What is this meant for

587
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,400
something?
As a supplement at home?

588
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,500
What was the idea behind what
this book was going to be?

589
00:35:58,900 --> 00:36:03,500
Well in the beginning the idea
was just true science and so as

590
00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:08,900
I edited I was learning and then
as I went through it because my

591
00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:12,600
edit process would involve me
taking what he had and I would

592
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,500
do such a massive edit, it was a
complete rewrite.

593
00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:19,100
Its it's not the kind of editor
where you're just adding some

594
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,100
punctuation some you know
grammar here and there.

595
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,600
It's a structural edit where
it's a complete rewrite of the

596
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,300
concepts, right?
And then I would go through and

597
00:36:29,308 --> 00:36:33,200
then I would read it again edit
a second time and then I would

598
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,400
have my wife Coming.
Read it aloud because I needed

599
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:41,300
to see if the syntax and the
flow and the Cadence of the

600
00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:44,700
words would would go, right.
If she got stuck on anything

601
00:36:44,700 --> 00:36:47,300
that would tell me, oh, she's
not understanding, I would fix

602
00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:50,800
that and then I would go through
after I fixed it and reread it

603
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,000
myself, one last time.
So, by the time it got through

604
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:59,400
had a minimum of five reads to
get this ready and It was about

605
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,400
truth.
Well what happened is my wife

606
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,600
started taking the pages.
She would take these things and

607
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,900
they would she would extract and
be teaching our kids in their

608
00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:12,300
home school.
And so she's teaching our kids

609
00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:15,900
from this science, that's not
yet out to the public and

610
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:18,600
they're growing up with this and
being taught.

611
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,800
And then when the book finally
came out and it's published and

612
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,800
work, you know, we have the
celebration and we're excited

613
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,600
and and you know, and for the
first few hundred books couple

614
00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:32,000
And or so books are sold.
You know there's this this

615
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,500
vibrant so we're going to change
the world and professors are

616
00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:36,300
going to read this.
And so you have that kind of

617
00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:39,900
exuberance and then reality
starts to set in because you're

618
00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:43,800
not going to change this great
and abominable institution of

619
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,200
modern science that has tens of
billions of dollars every year

620
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,500
and has all of this history.
That's not where it's going to

621
00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:55,200
be.
And so my wife and I decided the

622
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,500
real purpose to this is we have
to change.

623
00:37:58,700 --> 00:38:00,700
Lives of the children of the
up-and-coming.

624
00:38:00,700 --> 00:38:04,700
We've got to give them the truth
about the creation.

625
00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:08,600
And so we started workbooks, we
made workbooks.

626
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,100
That would take the curriculum.
My wife was teaching and started

627
00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:14,800
creating those so that they
would align with you, use the

628
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,200
universal model as the sort of
the source text.

629
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:22,800
But then you could learn the
learn it on a way, that's more

630
00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:26,900
reachable.
Hmm, because it's a pretty big

631
00:38:26,900 --> 00:38:29,500
book.
It's a it's you In earlier, it's

632
00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:32,600
800 pages, in volume 1, and it's
almost the same with, in volume

633
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,000
2.
And so it's a slog for somebody

634
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,600
unless they're really interested
but it's so powerful that if you

635
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:44,600
get through some of that and
like if have to just read the

636
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:50,700
pictures but it's a powerful
text and we can jump into

637
00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:54,200
actually what's in it?
Yeah, I guess your listeners are

638
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,400
going to want to know what,
okay.

639
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,400
We've been gabbing about all
this stuff.

640
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,200
What's your what's in and what's
different?

641
00:38:59,300 --> 00:39:00,900
That's exactly where I was
heading.

642
00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:04,000
Next is yet and we've kind of
set the table.

643
00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:08,300
Now, let's dive into this
beautiful steak, you've created.

644
00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:11,500
So, so here's one of the first
things.

645
00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:13,100
It's probably the most
important.

646
00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:15,900
And if you just get through the
first 15 pages, and you don't do

647
00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:19,400
anything else, it'll be worth
every penny of sent that you

648
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,300
spent by it.
And you can, you know, will give

649
00:39:22,300 --> 00:39:25,500
your listeners a discount at our
to buy this and we want but I'm

650
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:30,300
telling you the first 15 pages
actually teach us how to ask

651
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:33,100
questions.
That is probably the most

652
00:39:33,100 --> 00:39:36,400
important thing.
That we need to learn in our

653
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,300
world.
Today is how to ask the right

654
00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:41,700
questions and how to frame that
question and the mindset that we

655
00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:44,600
should be in.
That's such a big deal.

656
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,100
It's the preface of all of our
workbooks.

657
00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:51,700
The first few pages.
It's in volume, 1 and volume 2

658
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,700
as the introduction.
And it's the question process.

659
00:39:55,400 --> 00:40:00,100
So let me just give that to you.
Break it down, Great roughly.

660
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,500
So all questions can basically
be grouped into six categories

661
00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:07,600
of who, what where when why and
how.

662
00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:09,500
Okay.
I'll go through those slow in a

663
00:40:09,500 --> 00:40:12,900
minute.
But of those six, you can group

664
00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:15,900
them into four groups, four of
them are tangible.

665
00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:18,700
Things like, who?
That's the person?

666
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:22,900
What is it?
The thing where is a place?

667
00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:27,000
And when is time, so we have
time and date and location and

668
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,900
person and object, right?
Those are Knowledge Questions

669
00:40:31,300 --> 00:40:35,900
that give us knowledge how and
why are intangible and their

670
00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:39,000
wisdom questions.
Now, I realize that this is not

671
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,400
a perfect thing, you can move
them around a little bit.

672
00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:44,400
Basically, the tangible
questions.

673
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,200
Now, think about this in the
Garden of Eden, when Adam and

674
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,600
Eve are told that they can
partake and actually it's Adam

675
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,100
is alone told this and then he
tells it to his wife.

676
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:58,400
But when he's told, You can eat
them all the trees of the

677
00:40:58,700 --> 00:41:01,100
garden, the fruit of all the
trees in the garden, except one.

678
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,100
What was that one tree?
It's the tree of knowledge.

679
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,300
Now we have the clarifier of
Good and Evil and that kind of

680
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:11,800
diminishes what it really said,
their truth or the tree is

681
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,700
knowledge.
Okay, you're right.

682
00:41:13,700 --> 00:41:16,700
You can take when you take that
knowledge you're going to die.

683
00:41:16,700 --> 00:41:19,100
You're going to bring death into
the into the world.

684
00:41:19,700 --> 00:41:24,700
Well later on.
In both the New Testament, Paul

685
00:41:24,700 --> 00:41:29,300
gives us a partial The
Declaration of what truth is but

686
00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:33,000
Joseph Smith received a
revelation that gives us a clear

687
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,400
definition when he says, truth
is knowledge of things as they

688
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:38,900
are as they weren't as they are
to come.

689
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,000
So truth is knowledge.
So what was that tree that they

690
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,200
particular of knowledge?
Which is true.

691
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,400
So it's really the tree of
truth, right?

692
00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:51,300
Right.
And so what what that really

693
00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:56,300
breaks down to is that we need
to learn the or knowledge And we

694
00:41:56,300 --> 00:42:01,100
need to learn about people about
places about times, and about

695
00:42:01,100 --> 00:42:05,700
locations, as we learn the
knowledge, the visceral staff

696
00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:09,900
about how things are made.
And that then the Lord gives us

697
00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:16,100
the wisdom as to why.
So for example, when Adam is

698
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:19,000
told to sacrifice after he's
kicked out of the Garden of Eden

699
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,700
and he's told the sacrifice and
the angel comes and says why do

700
00:42:22,700 --> 00:42:26,300
you offer sacrifice?
He says I know not because he

701
00:42:26,300 --> 00:42:30,500
didn't have the wisdom as to why
that sacrifice was necessary.

702
00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:36,600
But he was told how Right,
that's when, when Nephi builds

703
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,500
this ship, he doesn't ask the
Lord.

704
00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:42,300
How do I build a ship?
He goes to the Lord and says,

705
00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:44,900
where do I find the or to make
the tools?

706
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,500
He asks a knowledge question and
that's what we need to do.

707
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:54,400
We need to be asking the Lord
Knowledge Questions and those

708
00:42:54,400 --> 00:43:00,400
can be, for example, what does
Sam look like or We're looking

709
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,300
at the does not exist, or is it
lava?

710
00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:08,000
What causes lava?
Where does it does it happen?

711
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,000
We know happens.
For example, earthquakes happen

712
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,700
mostly on the Pacific Ring of
Fire and plate boundaries and we

713
00:43:14,700 --> 00:43:18,300
also know that at those
locations, is where volcanoes,

714
00:43:18,300 --> 00:43:20,500
which is melted rock, where it
shows up.

715
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,600
So why do we think that?
That's only cause because of

716
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:28,200
this molten stuff in the earth,
it's the answers, is it is

717
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,600
friction.
For, so asking the knowledge

718
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,600
questions, then the Lord can
give it to us.

719
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,000
He can give us the wisdom of why
that matters, why?

720
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,700
It's important that we know
these things.

721
00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:42,700
So, that's kind of the gist of
the first section.

722
00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:48,300
The introduction of the book is
about How to answer, how to ask

723
00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:52,300
questions and then a little bit
about how science how we got

724
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:54,400
here.
You know, the discoveries in the

725
00:43:54,400 --> 00:44:00,000
Dark Age of Science and you know
that takes us to the first first

726
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,700
chapter that.
So those are the first first

727
00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:04,200
porch at the introductory
chapters.

728
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:10,700
I think that's huge because you
you expounded upon this idea of

729
00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:16,800
asking questions And I've often
said, when you asked the right

730
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,800
question, then he get the answer
you want.

731
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,000
I also had you get the right
answer not just do what you

732
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,100
want.
It's right.

733
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:29,700
Right the right answer.
Yep, I remember I had a

734
00:44:29,700 --> 00:44:34,900
political science Professor once
who said If I could, if we could

735
00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:37,600
get everyone to ask the right
questions, there would be

736
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,700
politicians who get real
nervous, real fast, right?

737
00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:45,700
And I think, I think that that
the same thing goes for the

738
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:50,000
Sciences right?
Is that you got to ask the right

739
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,700
questions to get the right
answers.

740
00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:57,500
And if you don't know what
you're even asking about then or

741
00:44:57,500 --> 00:45:00,400
why you're asking about it, I
think it'd be hard to come up

742
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,100
with those answers.
It's actually it takes a little

743
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:08,400
bit of time and effort to learn
how to frame your questions

744
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,600
properly because it's so often
when something bad happens.

745
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,900
We want to say, why is this
happening to me, or how am I

746
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:17,300
supposed to fix this problem?
That's our immediate need your

747
00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:18,800
degree.
Action is to ask the.

748
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,400
How's and the whys rather than
to reevaluate.

749
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,200
I'm here.
Where do I go next?

750
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,400
What do I do?
Who do I talk to write?

751
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,200
These are things that can Then
if we can just focus on getting

752
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,200
the knowledge and putting things
in order and working through it,

753
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:40,900
then the wisdom will come.
So knowledge and wisdom, huge,

754
00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:42,800
huge, huge.
And there's actually called the

755
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,100
learning process that it's laid
out in the first few chapters of

756
00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:49,700
the um, Universal model.
It actually lays out that

757
00:45:49,700 --> 00:45:53,500
learning process and it teaches
something about the attitude to

758
00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:57,300
about questioning whether we're
skeptical or partial or biased

759
00:45:57,500 --> 00:46:00,700
those things too, we need to
learn to be objective.

760
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,400
Not.
That means question.

761
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,500
Everything with an open mind.
Question with an open mind being

762
00:46:07,500 --> 00:46:10,300
objective about.
What what's the options?

763
00:46:10,300 --> 00:46:14,500
What can we think about there?
That's different or You know,

764
00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:19,900
just that in, in some ways, it's
pretty revolutionary, right?

765
00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:25,800
Because I don't think that that
what we're seeing now coming out

766
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,800
is necessarily that idea of
questioning with boldness,

767
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,000
right.
We're getting a lot of well,

768
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,600
we've done the science for you
now.

769
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:39,600
It's your job to sit there and
partake in all of this, that's

770
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:44,400
happened before.
And it really takes Those

771
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,100
questions, you know, that you
talked about out of the equation

772
00:46:49,700 --> 00:46:54,800
and as I understand it, the
science is never really settled.

773
00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:58,100
I mean, you're always
questioning to some extent and

774
00:46:58,100 --> 00:47:01,000
that's good and healthy.
Is it not, especially,

775
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,600
especially Math and Science?
Because we don't know.

776
00:47:03,900 --> 00:47:07,700
Now, ultimately God is the
absolute truth and so there is

777
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:09,400
an absolute truth in modern
science.

778
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,600
That's rejected entirely and not
just the modern science but

779
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:17,100
modern Ian is that there is this
concept of not being able to be

780
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:19,200
certain about anything, not know
anything.

781
00:47:19,500 --> 00:47:24,700
And that's in philosophical
circles, that's even taken to do

782
00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:28,100
I really exist or am I just a
figment of my imagination and am

783
00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:30,200
I imagining that?
I'm having this conversation

784
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,000
with Dave in my mind and in
reality, I'm nothing more than

785
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,400
just that a figment of my
imagination.

786
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,100
And so, that's kind of where
it's gotten too.

787
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:43,500
And, yeah, we've got to ask
questions, but we've got to be

788
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:45,800
objective.
Here's a little tiny Twist on

789
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,800
things.
How many times have we thought

790
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:52,000
to be critical thinkers?
What does that really mean?

791
00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:53,400
What does it mean to be
critical?

792
00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:56,600
The criticized, right?
Right.

793
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:01,200
And so, literally, our mindsets
are being warped by this, this

794
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,500
idea that we need to be critical
and castigate things.

795
00:48:05,500 --> 00:48:08,300
And poked, you know, we do Need
to be critical.

796
00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:12,400
We need to be objective and
that's a whole that's literally

797
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:17,800
a whole spiritual reversal of
the outcome of what we're taught

798
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,800
in schools.
Not to be critical to, not be

799
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,900
critical of others, not be
critical of people's ideas, but

800
00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:27,500
to be objective, that's a pretty
huge thing too.

801
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,400
Yeah, I'm just thinking here
about what that would actually

802
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,600
look like in practical
application I suppose.

803
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,800
If you're critical, you would
look to poke holes in it.

804
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,300
I suppose if your objective
you'd say let's try that out and

805
00:48:41,300 --> 00:48:44,200
see what happens.
Or let's extract what?

806
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,100
Okay let's look at that
objectively and say okay we've

807
00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:50,300
got this and this and this that
makes sense and gay.

808
00:48:50,500 --> 00:48:53,200
I don't agree with that but I
don't have to be critical

809
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,200
thinking.
I have to be objective about

810
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,000
what it is.
And it's it's truly a mindset

811
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,200
shift.
It's a way of saying, okay,

812
00:49:01,700 --> 00:49:06,000
whatever your ideology, you
know, yours or that your

813
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,000
neighbors, or whatever you do.
I mean, I asked this question a

814
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,700
lot of times when I start a
presentation is, what do you

815
00:49:12,700 --> 00:49:14,700
know, that, you know is not or
what do you believe that, you

816
00:49:14,700 --> 00:49:17,200
know, is not true?
Think about that.

817
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,400
What do you believe Dave that
you know is not true.

818
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,800
Did I can continue to eat
McDonald's and not gain weight.

819
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,200
Yeah, but you are, you know,
that's not true.

820
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,200
I do.
You don't believe that no one,

821
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,100
right?
I hope for that.

822
00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:35,400
But yeah, no, you're right.
Yeah.

823
00:49:35,500 --> 00:49:38,500
The answer is nothing nothing?
Yeah, I can't think of anything,

824
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:42,600
right?
I mean, if we were, if we were

825
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:47,600
to do that, it would just be
rational, okay?

826
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,800
So now, let's get lets, you
know, you and I because just of

827
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,200
our life's experiences, We
differ on something.

828
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,000
I guarantee a something
somewhere we differ.

829
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:02,600
Now if we think that you cannot
be, I'm not wrong in any way,

830
00:50:02,900 --> 00:50:04,200
right?
There's no matter what I am

831
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,100
going to just I'm just going to
be right and you're wrong.

832
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,100
Okay.
Well how do we?

833
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,400
There's no advancement there.
There's no reasoning.

834
00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:15,300
So the first thing we have to do
is accept the possibility that

835
00:50:15,300 --> 00:50:18,100
something I believe might not be
true.

836
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,900
And that's being open-minded and
that's being objective to listen

837
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,500
and to understand and say, okay,
let's objectively reason is out

838
00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:29,900
not critically.
I'm not going to come at you and

839
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,600
you're wrong because you know,
this is what they say but I have

840
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:38,200
to be objective and that's what
I'm understanding the science

841
00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:42,900
and I'm looking at it
objectively then that gives me

842
00:50:42,900 --> 00:50:45,600
the ability to open up
possibilities that I would not

843
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,200
have otherwise if I was just
being critical about the um,

844
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,200
Theory or Critical about even
about modern science.

845
00:50:52,700 --> 00:50:54,500
Let's not be critical.
Let's be open.

846
00:50:54,500 --> 00:50:57,900
Minded even what do they see?
Cuz we're looking at the same

847
00:50:57,900 --> 00:51:02,300
data, what are they seeing?
And then let's look at it and

848
00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:04,500
say, all right and what do we
see?

849
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:07,800
How can we interpret that
differently because we've got

850
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:14,100
this knowledge But that also has
to make the assumption that both

851
00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:19,000
parties are interested in the
correct answer and not

852
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,700
necessarily an expedient answer,
right?

853
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:26,000
If we're to become United, yes,
but I don't have to have you

854
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,400
agreeing to that for me to be
open-minded.

855
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,600
I can listen to you.
Take what you have to say and I

856
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,800
can open-mindedly or objectively
consider that, and that's for

857
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,000
me, right?
Hopefully you will.

858
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:44,300
But if you don't that You know,
I don't have to live or die on

859
00:51:44,500 --> 00:51:47,600
your decision.
What I do is I am looking at the

860
00:51:47,607 --> 00:51:52,300
universal model and I'm saying
objectively or if I'm

861
00:51:52,300 --> 00:51:55,900
open-minded about what it's
saying, then I'm going to say,

862
00:51:55,900 --> 00:51:57,400
you know what, there's something
in here.

863
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,200
I don't agree with this, but
this makes a lot of sense

864
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,300
instead of being critical and
just shutting the book and

865
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:04,600
saying.
Okay, we're done because it

866
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,600
doesn't align with what modern
science says.

867
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,600
That's what modern science wants
to do is shut the door.

868
00:52:11,100 --> 00:52:12,900
Don't want you to bring up
creation.

869
00:52:12,900 --> 00:52:15,500
They don't want you to talk
about something that's other

870
00:52:15,500 --> 00:52:20,200
than Evolution, they literally
will cut you off at the, you

871
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:21,400
know, they cut your legs right
off.

872
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,900
You can't do it.
They won't even allow it and

873
00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:28,600
have a discussion about it.
And so if we can be objective

874
00:52:29,300 --> 00:52:33,900
and we can consider these
things, You know, then then we

875
00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:35,000
can.
I think we can.

876
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,800
Come together in some kind of
unity, right?

877
00:52:40,700 --> 00:52:43,000
It's great.
What else is in the book?

878
00:52:43,700 --> 00:52:48,700
Well if the science itself.
So the big thing is the Earth is

879
00:52:48,700 --> 00:52:52,700
a hot molten Earth according to
modern science and the universal

880
00:52:52,700 --> 00:52:55,400
model says, it's water.
Okay.

881
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,600
So let's let's dive in a little
bit about what modern science

882
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,200
says.
So in.

883
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,900
Correct me if I'm wrong here
because you, you are well-versed

884
00:53:04,900 --> 00:53:09,000
both in the Universal model.
Model, as well as in, in, in

885
00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:10,900
modern science.
So, to speak.

886
00:53:11,300 --> 00:53:14,700
There's this idea that there is
a molten core at the center of

887
00:53:14,700 --> 00:53:18,600
the earth, right?
And that thing kind of spins as

888
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:23,800
well, and then there's kind of
crust and layers on top of that.

889
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,700
Is that correct?
That's right.

890
00:53:25,900 --> 00:53:27,600
Okay.
So, let's, let's start with,

891
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,600
where that idea came from.
Okay, the late 1700s, this is

892
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,600
during the Scottish
Enlightenment, by the way,

893
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,000
whenever you hear the word
Enlightenment, that means is

894
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,300
that Shifting from God to
humanist, thinking.

895
00:53:38,900 --> 00:53:41,700
Okay, that I'm smart, you know,
the intellect demands of

896
00:53:41,700 --> 00:53:46,000
Enlightenment thinking means,
man is becoming smarter and he's

897
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,800
replacing god with his own
intellect.

898
00:53:48,100 --> 00:53:49,800
Anyway, during the Scottish
Enlightenment.

899
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,500
There's this guy named James
Hutton.

900
00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:56,100
He's an atheist who lives in
Scotland in the late 1700s and

901
00:53:56,100 --> 00:54:02,300
he publishes his paper called
theory of, geology and 1784 and

902
00:54:02,300 --> 00:54:05,400
the geologists accept.
Pretty much his theories about

903
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,400
the Earth.
And he Is it was incalculably

904
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:11,300
old and hot at its Center.
He didn't have the makeup yet of

905
00:54:11,300 --> 00:54:15,700
the earth, so he publishes this
but it kind of just falls on

906
00:54:15,700 --> 00:54:19,100
deaf ears and it goes away for
about 40 years or so.

907
00:54:19,100 --> 00:54:23,800
And he dies and, and then a
British geologist, Charles Lyell

908
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:28,300
picks, that work up and
publishes principles of geology.

909
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:33,100
And when he does, he includes
James Hutton's ideas about the

910
00:54:33,100 --> 00:54:38,400
Earth being incalculably old and
he coined This term called

911
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,900
uniformitarianism, meaning that
we can.

912
00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:44,700
We look at the way events are
happening now, and they always

913
00:54:44,700 --> 00:54:47,600
happen that way.
He completely discredit any

914
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,800
catastrophism, which include the
flood anyway, this book is

915
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:57,000
published in January of 1830, so
it's, it is the most important

916
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,300
book in The Sciences that shifts
the whole modern science

917
00:55:01,300 --> 00:55:06,000
Viewpoint that the Earth is
incalculably old and eventually

918
00:55:06,100 --> 00:55:08,300
I will be billions, but we'll
get to that later on.

919
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,600
Okay, and it's hot at its core.
It's so popular to repent it 12

920
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,300
times.
The very next year, it's given

921
00:55:16,300 --> 00:55:18,700
as gift to Charles Darwin, is he
gets on board?

922
00:55:18,700 --> 00:55:22,100
He's 23 years old, he gets on
the board, the HMS Beagle, and

923
00:55:22,100 --> 00:55:26,200
it opens his mind to the Earth
time which makes evolution

924
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,700
possible.
So this book published in 1830

925
00:55:30,300 --> 00:55:34,200
is the moment that's that's when
a hold modern science changes

926
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:39,200
its ideas about the hot molten.
It's that is incalculably old

927
00:55:40,100 --> 00:55:44,800
and so later on what we see in
our textbooks today is that

928
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:51,200
you've got a nickel iron core
and it's surrounded by a molten.

929
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:55,100
It spins inside this kind of
molten and then a go further out

930
00:55:55,100 --> 00:55:59,400
of a semi molten and then you've
got the crust on it now you know

931
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,400
that's that's a super
simplified.

932
00:56:02,100 --> 00:56:05,800
Sure description and the crust
is pretty thin.

933
00:56:06,300 --> 00:56:10,200
So crosses on average about
125,000 fee is thinner in the

934
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,500
ocean thicker in the in the
continents.

935
00:56:12,500 --> 00:56:15,900
But this crust is pretty thin
and everything else does either

936
00:56:16,100 --> 00:56:18,900
molten or semi molten down to
this core.

937
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:26,000
Now why they think that is that
the surface rocks are like

938
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,400
granite's, the silicates, most
common and they have a weight of

939
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,100
2.7 grams per cubic centimeter.
What that means is it's kind of

940
00:56:33,100 --> 00:56:36,000
a lightweight, imagine
lightweight, imagine picking up.

941
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,700
Piece of pumice for maybe a pine
cone, right?

942
00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:42,400
And so, a pine cone has this
much weight and then they think,

943
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,500
well, the mass of the Earth must
be this.

944
00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:47,400
And so we got to have something
heavier in the middle to equal

945
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,700
it all out.
And so the pine cone is the

946
00:56:50,700 --> 00:56:54,000
lightweight stuff and then the
solid log is the heavy stuff.

947
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,000
Well, that heavy stuff is the
nickel iron core.

948
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,200
And so they've assumed that's
how this has to be made up

949
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:05,200
because they have to come up
with something heavy enough to

950
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:06,700
answer the way.
Eight of the earth.

951
00:57:06,700 --> 00:57:09,500
And that's how they come up with
the idea of a nickel iron core.

952
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,500
Was there ever any pushback on
this theology?

953
00:57:12,500 --> 00:57:16,800
On this Theory, I mean, did
anyone ever say wait, let's slow

954
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,100
our roll for a second.
Let's, let's see if we can't

955
00:57:20,100 --> 00:57:24,400
experiment and the 1700s.
There was a debate between a

956
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,200
group called The pluta Nest.
And the Neptune assists in the

957
00:57:27,207 --> 00:57:29,000
pollutant is believed that the
Earth was a molten.

958
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,700
The middle that's James Hutton
and his IDs and the other.

959
00:57:32,700 --> 00:57:35,100
The Neptune is believed that the
earth was formed in water.

960
00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:38,800
Like the Bible says, So, for
four years, that was, the

961
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,100
accepted creation format, is
that things were formed in water

962
00:57:42,100 --> 00:57:45,000
that Noah's flood flood created
it all the way errs.

963
00:57:45,300 --> 00:57:50,100
That was pretty well accepted
for hundreds of years and till

964
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:53,400
this change.
But there are some questions

965
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,200
that could be answered that.
They just couldn't satisfactory

966
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,600
answer.
And that is how granite's at the

967
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,900
Cape of South Africa.
Got shaped.

968
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,700
They couldn't answer where the
heat comes from, the powers, the

969
00:58:03,700 --> 00:58:06,600
volcanoes.
So those things As they couldn't

970
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,600
answer them, eventually fell to
the idea that the Earth is a hot

971
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:15,800
molten Planet because they saw
lava and this is melted rock.

972
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,300
That's coming out of volcanoes
has to come from somewhere and

973
00:58:19,300 --> 00:58:22,600
so they just assumed it must be
this hot molten Earth that's

974
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:27,800
coming up from underneath.
So in the, in the volume 2 of

975
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,900
the, um, there's a table that
kind of talks about all the

976
00:58:30,900 --> 00:58:34,800
different ways that we as humans
have determined the age of the

977
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,800
Earth.
The first The Bible, but then,

978
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,500
we've been we've done Optical
luminescence.

979
00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:42,500
We've looked at how long the
Caesar there.

980
00:58:42,500 --> 00:58:46,200
We've looked at how the Earth
must cool over periods of time,

981
00:58:46,500 --> 00:58:50,100
the orbital velocities of how a
planet should slow down.

982
00:58:50,100 --> 00:58:53,100
So all these really complicated
ways of doing it.

983
00:58:53,100 --> 00:58:57,500
And so, the 8 age of the Earth
is swung from from thousands to

984
00:58:57,500 --> 00:59:01,400
trillions of years.
And now it's kind of back at

985
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:05,900
4.54 billion years, that's the
latest modern science.

986
00:59:06,100 --> 00:59:09,900
I'll talk about how we think
that a little bit but what they

987
00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:14,300
think is that the inside of the
earth is radioactive and

988
00:59:14,300 --> 00:59:19,000
radioactivity is keeping the
crust melted and keeping, not

989
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,300
the cross, keeping the insides
melted of the year.

990
00:59:21,300 --> 00:59:24,900
So it's radioactive that's on
that but one of the questions we

991
00:59:24,900 --> 00:59:28,200
asked in the Universal model is
if the inside of the earth is

992
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:32,700
radioactive and lava comes out
and flows out on the surface.

993
00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:34,800
Like we see pretty much anywhere
you're in Idaho.

994
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,300
Right.
I think I'm in Utah now.

995
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:38,600
Yeah.
You talked a.

996
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,300
So you've got the in southern
Utah.

997
00:59:41,300 --> 00:59:44,400
And Delta, there's lava flows,
and Idaho, there's a lot of

998
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,100
ways.
Lava flows everywhere, how many

999
00:59:47,100 --> 00:59:50,000
times have you seen a lava flow
with a sign posted on it?

1000
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,800
This is radioactive lava flow.
Never, and that's a question.

1001
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,700
I was going to ask if it was if
that core was radioactive and

1002
00:59:57,700 --> 01:00:03,800
again, I'm not a physicist.
So, but the half-life on, on

1003
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,800
radiations pretty long.
Right, it depends on a specific

1004
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:12,500
product, but if its uranium
then, yeah, it's 4.5 million,

1005
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,500
radioactive, uranium four and a
half billion years.

1006
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:21,200
That's the half-life of
carbon-14 is 5720 strontium,

1007
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,700
terrain, all these different,
they have all these different

1008
01:00:23,700 --> 01:00:27,500
half-lives, right?
But the bottom line is, is that

1009
01:00:27,700 --> 01:00:31,400
radioactive lava should be
present if radioactivity is

1010
01:00:31,408 --> 01:00:34,100
melting.
The Rock.

1011
01:00:34,500 --> 01:00:37,400
But here's this kind of circular
reasoning.

1012
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,400
That makes no sense.
They say that melted rock,

1013
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,700
resets.
The radioactive clock.

1014
01:00:44,300 --> 01:00:48,300
So if melting The Rock destroys
radioactivity, how does it stay

1015
01:00:48,300 --> 01:00:51,500
Radioactive?
And if it comes out on the

1016
01:00:51,500 --> 01:00:54,600
surface, why is it not
radioactive?

1017
01:00:54,900 --> 01:01:00,500
If it was coming from a
radioactive source Right, it

1018
01:01:00,500 --> 01:01:04,000
makes no sense.
Here's another question and then

1019
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,500
um, doesn't follow this later.
Really that's a lot.

1020
01:01:06,500 --> 01:01:10,000
We're kind of bouncing a little
back-and-forth, but one of the

1021
01:01:10,300 --> 01:01:14,500
discussions we have later on in
the book is about.

1022
01:01:14,500 --> 01:01:16,500
Where do we find?
Uranium ore.

1023
01:01:16,500 --> 01:01:21,500
When we mine it?
and we find it deep but if we

1024
01:01:21,500 --> 01:01:26,500
find it on the surface, We find
it on the surface.

1025
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:31,100
It's a decree, a hydrothermal
Rock, which means it's found in

1026
01:01:31,500 --> 01:01:34,400
thermal vents.
Oh, I thought I thought you were

1027
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:39,800
talking about mining for oars I
am talking about mining for or

1028
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,400
as uranium ores only found
fairly when I say surface I'm

1029
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:44,900
not talking like laying on the
surface.

1030
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,000
Okay.
All right.

1031
01:01:46,700 --> 01:01:50,000
You know in the first few
hundred thousand or so feet of

1032
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:51,300
the earth.
Okay.

1033
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:55,700
Okay I got you I got you But I
was using a relatively

1034
01:01:55,700 --> 01:01:57,400
different.
Yeah.

1035
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,700
Like you have surface and I
apologize.

1036
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,500
No, it's okay.
It's just, it's understanding

1037
01:02:02,500 --> 01:02:04,700
one of the things we talked
about in the um, as being clear

1038
01:02:04,700 --> 01:02:07,600
about what we say.
And, you know, we have to Define

1039
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:12,200
our terms and so we do we Define
what magma means, we Define what

1040
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,800
lava means and we actually call
intrusive lava.

1041
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,900
If it's melted rock, under the
crust that extrusive if you see

1042
01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:23,800
it because we know melted rock
occurs but we call magma as You

1043
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,800
do Theory.
That's not proven spot as if

1044
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:27,400
it's a fact, but it's not
proven.

1045
01:02:28,300 --> 01:02:32,300
But anyway, so, my point is, is
that radioactive, uranium is the

1046
01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:35,000
one that has this half-life of
four and a half billion years.

1047
01:02:35,500 --> 01:02:38,400
Radioactive, uranium is also
heavy and so, that should be,

1048
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,100
this should have sunk down into
the core of the Earth.

1049
01:02:41,500 --> 01:02:45,000
But we mined uranium clear up
here on the surface in the vent

1050
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,900
and hydrothermal vents and then
we process that.

1051
01:02:48,900 --> 01:02:53,300
But when you go into a cave or
somewhere that uranium exists,

1052
01:02:53,300 --> 01:02:56,700
it's Not hot.
In that cave, you can find

1053
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:00,700
geiger counter and there is
radioactivity in there, but it's

1054
01:03:00,700 --> 01:03:06,000
not hot, and so there's just
conflict about radioactivity.

1055
01:03:06,500 --> 01:03:11,200
I mean hot enough to melt the
Earth and yet doesn't show up in

1056
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,600
the lava flows and then
uranium's found here on the

1057
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:20,100
surface in a gold mine.
Not hot and have had the

1058
01:03:20,100 --> 01:03:25,800
proponents of modern science.
Been able to explain those those

1059
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,700
contradictions if you will at
all with any certainty.

1060
01:03:31,100 --> 01:03:33,300
I'm not that.
I've seen they have a lot of

1061
01:03:33,300 --> 01:03:37,100
theories, a lot of ideas but
there's certain Most of its

1062
01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:39,800
built on the acceptance of the
theory that the Earth is a hot

1063
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:44,300
molten Planet.
So they're starting with the

1064
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:49,000
with the answer already in mind
and then trying to find

1065
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:56,000
supporting Evidence to to
justify their preconceived

1066
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,500
notion that a fair assessment
for sure.

1067
01:03:58,500 --> 01:04:01,500
And it's been for 200 years that
we've been taught this, right?

1068
01:04:01,500 --> 01:04:03,600
It was disposed of geology came
out.

1069
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,600
That was the textbook that was
the source of the textbooks and

1070
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,700
so not just you but your parents
and grandparents and

1071
01:04:09,707 --> 01:04:13,100
great-grandparents were all
taught that the Earth is a hot

1072
01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:15,900
molten core and so you've just
accepted it.

1073
01:04:15,900 --> 01:04:17,400
Nobody's really ever question
it.

1074
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:22,200
About what the Earth is now.
If we read the creation account

1075
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:27,300
in the Bible, it's pretty clear
what it says that volume.

1076
01:04:27,300 --> 01:04:29,900
I Chapter 1.
Genesis 1:1 says, in the

1077
01:04:29,908 --> 01:04:32,600
beginning, God created the
Heaven and the Earth, and the

1078
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:36,700
Earth was without form and void.
And God moved the spirit of God

1079
01:04:36,700 --> 01:04:38,200
moved upon the face of the
water.

1080
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:43,000
So, and then for 16 times, the
word water is mentioned in the

1081
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:48,400
first few verses of scripture
water is the The important

1082
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:52,700
element and so it should be
pretty simple to say, let's go

1083
01:04:52,700 --> 01:04:54,700
look.
And then we go out and space and

1084
01:04:54,700 --> 01:05:00,600
we look at planets and moons and
and water is everywhere in the

1085
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,300
universe.
And that's something they didn't

1086
01:05:03,300 --> 01:05:06,500
know.
For example, you've probably

1087
01:05:06,500 --> 01:05:08,400
seen Hubble telescope pictures,
right?

1088
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,300
Everybody seems beautiful
pictures.

1089
01:05:10,900 --> 01:05:13,900
Well, just shortly after the
Hubble they send up another

1090
01:05:13,900 --> 01:05:17,200
satellite called, the Soho
satellite was designed to go

1091
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,700
stare at Sun.
And because they wanted to study

1092
01:05:20,700 --> 01:05:23,300
the sun, when they sent it up
there and they opened the hood,

1093
01:05:23,300 --> 01:05:26,700
the lands it was blurry.
Now, when they first sent the

1094
01:05:26,700 --> 01:05:31,100
Hubble up, they had ground, the
mirror, ground, the lens on the,

1095
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:33,800
on the Hubble, actually, ground
the mirror wrong.

1096
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,900
And so it was out of focus and
it was basically a billion

1097
01:05:37,900 --> 01:05:42,900
dollar mistake.
And so they came up with a

1098
01:05:42,908 --> 01:05:46,700
solution that they actually
created a corrective lens and

1099
01:05:46,700 --> 01:05:49,000
then they sent the space.
Shuttle up and they install the

1100
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:53,600
lens on the Hubble that returned
it to functioning you know and

1101
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,100
that was like yeah who we saved
the day right?

1102
01:05:56,700 --> 01:06:01,100
Well shortly afterwards.
A Hubble problem, the Soho

1103
01:06:01,100 --> 01:06:06,500
satellite was all so blurry and
it was like just a double whammy

1104
01:06:06,500 --> 01:06:09,700
that NASA had really just
fumbled again.

1105
01:06:10,900 --> 01:06:15,900
But in the process, the
alignment Gyros things had been

1106
01:06:15,900 --> 01:06:19,500
in the as they align the
telescope directly with the sun,

1107
01:06:19,900 --> 01:06:23,800
it actually cleared up and they
realized that what was making it

1108
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:26,600
foggy was water vapor on the
lands.

1109
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:30,200
Not Not the ground, not the
winds ground wrong.

1110
01:06:30,300 --> 01:06:33,300
What that means, is that a
million miles out of space?

1111
01:06:33,300 --> 01:06:36,700
There was water that was able to
compensate just like, in your

1112
01:06:36,700 --> 01:06:39,300
shower mirror.
It compensated on the lens of

1113
01:06:39,300 --> 01:06:44,600
this slow, liquid water.
A million miles out in space.

1114
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:50,300
Yeah, cuz I'm just trying to
wrap my mind around that for a

1115
01:06:50,308 --> 01:06:54,500
second because coming whether
it's because of a movie or maybe

1116
01:06:54,500 --> 01:06:57,100
something I was taught, I always
thought that if there was water

1117
01:06:57,100 --> 01:06:59,700
in space, It was supposed to
freeze instantly, right?

1118
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:00,600
Exactly.
Yeah.

1119
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,100
That's more than 300 degrees
below zero but why it doesn't

1120
01:07:03,100 --> 01:07:05,800
freeze is there's no pressure
because there's no overlying

1121
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:06,700
atmosphere.
Okay.

1122
01:07:07,100 --> 01:07:12,400
And so, just like on, and on the
earth at sea level, water will

1123
01:07:12,700 --> 01:07:17,100
change from liquid to gas at.
To at 100 degrees Celsius at sea

1124
01:07:17,100 --> 01:07:21,200
level but as you go up in
elevation than the temperature

1125
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:25,300
is lower and lower and lower so
it'll turn to gas, you know, 97,

1126
01:07:25,300 --> 01:07:29,700
95, 94.
So the higher you go, the more

1127
01:07:29,700 --> 01:07:32,500
than it will turn to gas at a
lower pressure and if you get

1128
01:07:32,500 --> 01:07:37,300
out in space, there is no
pressure and so that, that water

1129
01:07:37,300 --> 01:07:43,000
can turn into a gas and then it
condensated on the lens of that

1130
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,900
telescope of that.
That satellite.

1131
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:49,900
So there was another event that
happened guy named Charles

1132
01:07:49,900 --> 01:07:53,100
Townes, he invented what's
called a major.

1133
01:07:53,100 --> 01:07:56,200
Now, that was kind of the
precursor to the laser, but the

1134
01:07:56,200 --> 01:08:00,200
measure was a device to look out
into space and actually, look at

1135
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:05,300
these Majors, he's Tsum signal
emitters, and so they had time

1136
01:08:05,300 --> 01:08:09,100
on the radio telescope, they
proved their concept.

1137
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:10,900
And they said, well, we still
have some time.

1138
01:08:10,900 --> 01:08:14,500
What can we do?
And we tuned it to the waterline

1139
01:08:14,900 --> 01:08:16,800
because it was pretty close to
what they were doing.

1140
01:08:16,899 --> 01:08:19,399
They took two in the telescope
and then they turned it to the

1141
01:08:19,399 --> 01:08:22,899
Orion star Cloud.
Now for those that don't know,

1142
01:08:22,899 --> 01:08:25,899
the orions star cloud is one of
the most beautiful things in the

1143
01:08:25,899 --> 01:08:28,100
sky that you can see through a
telescope.

1144
01:08:28,700 --> 01:08:31,300
It is, it is massively
beautiful.

1145
01:08:31,300 --> 01:08:35,500
It's considered the birthplace
of stars and it is, it is

1146
01:08:35,500 --> 01:08:37,899
fantastically beautiful.
If, you know, take a minute

1147
01:08:37,899 --> 01:08:40,800
Google up.
Look at the Orion Nebula and

1148
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:42,700
you'll see how incredibly
beautiful it is.

1149
01:08:43,300 --> 01:08:48,000
So he turns the radio telescope
to hear And all of a sudden the

1150
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:52,100
water line is so powerful that
when they publish their article

1151
01:08:52,100 --> 01:08:56,000
they said it must be raining in
her eye on because you're so

1152
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,200
much water in there.
I'm star cloud.

1153
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:05,100
Wow.
Which again is something you

1154
01:09:05,100 --> 01:09:09,300
don't hear, right?
I mean, even now it's not

1155
01:09:09,300 --> 01:09:12,300
something that's widely talked
about, not at all.

1156
01:09:13,100 --> 01:09:14,600
Hmm.
Now, let's go through the

1157
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,899
planet.
This is from NASA.

1158
01:09:17,300 --> 01:09:20,000
This is from space scientist, so
it's not something that just,

1159
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:25,300
um, says, this is actually what
they say is that there was water

1160
01:09:25,300 --> 01:09:29,200
on Mercury, probably a trillion
tons of water.

1161
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:33,399
There was a notion on Venus that
covered the entire surface of

1162
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:34,600
Venus.
One time.

1163
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:39,899
The Mars Hydro Valley has.
It has a canyon that is that

1164
01:09:39,899 --> 01:09:44,899
makes the Grand Canyon look like
a tiny little creek and it's a

1165
01:09:44,899 --> 01:09:46,899
hydro value called the Marvel
Hydro Valley.

1166
01:09:46,899 --> 01:09:48,899
Because they know the whole
thing was shaped by water.

1167
01:09:49,500 --> 01:09:52,700
Elon Musk said, one of the most
important discoveries they, in

1168
01:09:52,700 --> 01:09:56,500
the last 25 years, is the
discovery that there's water ice

1169
01:09:56,600 --> 01:10:00,700
on Mars, and it's actually
extraordinarily.

1170
01:10:01,100 --> 01:10:04,100
There's an extraordinary amount
of water ice on Mars at the

1171
01:10:04,100 --> 01:10:11,400
poles, like 60%, So it's pretty
high Jupiter has the atmospheres

1172
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,900
of Jupiter are water.
Their Hydro atmosphere.

1173
01:10:13,900 --> 01:10:18,700
Saturn has it the rings of
Saturn or ice the moon, one of

1174
01:10:18,700 --> 01:10:23,600
the moons around Saturn insulate
us actually, has a hydro

1175
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:27,400
fountain that is spewing water
out, hundreds and hundreds of

1176
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:30,800
miles into space and the Cassini
spacecraft.

1177
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,300
When it looped around it, flew
through it to see what it was

1178
01:10:33,300 --> 01:10:37,700
and it's water.
And so this moon is hydro, moon

1179
01:10:37,700 --> 01:10:41,200
is literally spewing water out
into space.

1180
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:45,200
That's orbiting Saturn.
So, all of these planets, and

1181
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:49,400
most of the moons are all water
planets, water bodies, water

1182
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:50,900
Moon's, Hydro moves we call them
in.

1183
01:10:50,900 --> 01:11:01,600
The um-hmm seawater is like is
everywhere. well, and now Okay,

1184
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:06,300
so I'm just thinking out loud
here if that's NASA's finding.

1185
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:11,600
Now you have to say that it
seems to be every other planet

1186
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:15,300
in our solar system is made up
of water except ours.

1187
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,500
Well there you go.
Now that is a good question to

1188
01:11:18,500 --> 01:11:20,100
ask, why don't they ask that
question?

1189
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,700
He probably.
Isn't it creates the problem

1190
01:11:23,700 --> 01:11:27,300
that the Earth isn't a water
Planet?

1191
01:11:27,300 --> 01:11:30,000
If there is a water Planet, all
of a sudden, the Bible starts

1192
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,000
having some Truth and we cannot
have that.

1193
01:11:35,100 --> 01:11:38,100
Yeah, let me ask you a question.
Dave, where's the last place?

1194
01:11:38,100 --> 01:11:42,600
You would imagine water.
Last places in the whole, you

1195
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:46,400
know, everything that you've
ever done, you mean on Earth or

1196
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,900
just anywhere.
Yeah, anywhere.

1197
01:11:51,500 --> 01:11:53,000
Well, we know it's all over
space.

1198
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:57,200
Now we know that most of the
planets are I would say that

1199
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:00,500
maybe some place with absolutely
no water.

1200
01:12:01,500 --> 01:12:04,300
I'd say the Sahara.
Have you give me?

1201
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,600
Can you let me share screen?
Yeah, go to.

1202
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:11,500
You have to go do your security
and allow me to share it.

1203
01:12:12,700 --> 01:12:14,900
Okay, give me just one second
here.

1204
01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:23,800
Oh, I stink at this.
And this is why edit rest right

1205
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:29,100
here.
Security down the bottom and

1206
01:12:29,100 --> 01:12:31,400
security.
The top thing you should allow

1207
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,100
participants or something like
that.

1208
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:39,000
Cam.
I got participants up.

1209
01:12:44,700 --> 01:12:50,100
It's under the security tab.
And it's I think it's the very

1210
01:12:50,100 --> 01:12:56,300
top choice on the security tab
that says, looking for the

1211
01:12:56,300 --> 01:13:00,400
security tab in the very bottom
right next to participants and

1212
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:02,400
stop video.
Oh crap.

1213
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:05,600
There it is.
Okay and it says lock meeting

1214
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:09,500
enable waiting room, hide
profile pics.

1215
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,100
Share screen, allow me.
There we go.

1216
01:13:13,100 --> 01:13:19,600
Okay, all right.
So what do you think of that?

1217
01:13:23,900 --> 01:13:26,300
That's the Sun.
And that's how much water is on

1218
01:13:26,300 --> 01:13:32,900
the sun water on the Sun.
This is the line that is

1219
01:13:32,900 --> 01:13:36,100
mind-blowing can can, would you
be opposed to sending just

1220
01:13:36,100 --> 01:13:38,800
sending me a picture of this
slide so I can include it in the

1221
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:42,400
show notes.
Sure, I'll send that after we're

1222
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:44,600
done.
Okay, right now, it's just a,

1223
01:13:44,700 --> 01:13:48,200
it's a, it's kind of the layout
of a slide show, so it's having

1224
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:49,900
on PowerPoint.
I've got other, I'll get rid of

1225
01:13:49,900 --> 01:13:53,600
these lines, you're good?
Okay, so now I'm going to ask a

1226
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:57,600
real stupid question and your
look, I warned you up front.

1227
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,300
I wasn't a science guy to start,
right?

1228
01:14:00,500 --> 01:14:03,800
In some ways I'm still not, but
I find myself getting more

1229
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:09,100
Curious.
How does water not boil off and

1230
01:14:09,100 --> 01:14:15,700
become Vapor on the Sun?
Okay.

1231
01:14:15,700 --> 01:14:17,500
Now you're asking some questions
but you need that.

1232
01:14:17,500 --> 01:14:19,000
You need to rephrase that
question.

1233
01:14:20,700 --> 01:14:23,700
You ask a, how question can you
rephrase that at all?

1234
01:14:24,100 --> 01:14:26,200
Your I'm going to give you that
kind of put me on the hot seat

1235
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:27,100
for your audience.
Right?

1236
01:14:27,100 --> 01:14:30,600
How do you change that question
to a knowledge question?

1237
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,500
Why doesn't know?
I don't know.

1238
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,500
Okay, I'm screwing this up and I
know I'm screwing this up.

1239
01:14:40,700 --> 01:14:44,300
Have some bear with me, but the
thing is is everybody needs to

1240
01:14:44,300 --> 01:14:47,100
realize that getting in this
mindset doesn't just happen

1241
01:14:47,100 --> 01:14:50,000
naturally have to take some time
to think about that, right?

1242
01:14:50,300 --> 01:14:54,000
And so you might ask so water is
on the sun, right?

1243
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:58,500
What process would allow water
to exist on the sun.

1244
01:14:58,900 --> 01:15:02,300
Okay, all right, okay.
And then you might.

1245
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:05,200
Well, let's talk about the Sun
and some of the crazy things

1246
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:08,200
about the Sun.
For example, the surface of the

1247
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:13,100
Sun is about 5,000 degrees
Kelvin, but a million.

1248
01:15:13,700 --> 01:15:17,100
If you go out here to this out
the corona out here, you see my

1249
01:15:17,100 --> 01:15:22,600
are it's a million degrees?
How is it hotter away from the

1250
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:26,600
source?
Josh it makes no sense.

1251
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:33,700
See this is some of the things
that we need to get people

1252
01:15:33,900 --> 01:15:38,100
engaged in the science.
Looking at different ways you

1253
01:15:38,100 --> 01:15:40,700
know that you can actually and
there's a YouTube you can look

1254
01:15:40,700 --> 01:15:45,100
this up, you can actually being
sound into water and create

1255
01:15:45,100 --> 01:15:52,200
light sound in water, will
create light Huh.

1256
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:59,300
So, what's the process for that?
Well.

1257
01:16:01,300 --> 01:16:03,700
Have you ever read?
Where the Book of Mormon?

1258
01:16:03,700 --> 01:16:06,500
Where Nephi is told by God?
If he say to that mountain, be

1259
01:16:06,500 --> 01:16:11,400
thou removed and it would write,
or the brother of Jared said to

1260
01:16:11,407 --> 01:16:16,600
the mountains, Aaron move and it
was And if you read the book of

1261
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:21,800
Abraham, it says in the gods
ordered the materials and they

1262
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:26,500
watched until they obeyed. and
then Christ when he's on Earth,

1263
01:16:26,500 --> 01:16:33,600
He commands the elements and
they obey What's the force that

1264
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:40,000
Christ is using to cause the
wind or the water who obey his

1265
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:41,800
voice?
The priesthood?

1266
01:16:42,700 --> 01:16:44,900
It's a power though.
It's a thing.

1267
01:16:46,300 --> 01:16:50,400
It's not just some metaphysical
ideology, right?

1268
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:55,300
He's literally controlling
something, he's commanding

1269
01:16:55,300 --> 01:17:00,200
something and that's responding
the voice of his word is causing

1270
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:07,000
things to change, okay?
Now the science behind that is

1271
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:11,000
beyond our reach, but the
questions that we can ask about

1272
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:14,900
water on the sun, should cause
us to ask other questions.

1273
01:17:14,900 --> 01:17:19,800
Like is the sun really producing
light because of radioactivity?

1274
01:17:20,500 --> 01:17:23,600
Is it really a hydrogen Hydrogen
burn?

1275
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,600
Which is what they say.
Two hydrogen atoms are being

1276
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:29,500
fused together to create
deuterium or heavy hydrogen on

1277
01:17:29,500 --> 01:17:33,200
its way to becoming helium.
This is process that's

1278
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:38,900
happening.
While, but I want to just kind

1279
01:17:38,900 --> 01:17:42,800
of pause from the water to get
away from the sun because, you

1280
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:46,100
know, I was kind of produces
idea that you can see there's

1281
01:17:46,100 --> 01:17:48,400
water everywhere, right?
Right.

1282
01:17:48,500 --> 01:17:54,800
Come back to this question right
here, that water is in rocks, in

1283
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:59,800
all rocks, on the Earth.
So we've gone through the solar

1284
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:02,900
system, we've got water on the
planets, we've got water on the

1285
01:18:02,900 --> 01:18:04,400
sun.
We've got water in the star

1286
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:07,500
cloud in a Ryan.
We've got water and Interstellar

1287
01:18:07,500 --> 01:18:11,000
interest interest Stellar space
between a million miles out.

1288
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:13,500
So we've established that
there's water everywhere.

1289
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,700
Then let's come back to earth
and let's look at water in the

1290
01:18:18,700 --> 01:18:25,700
rocks, on the Earth.
That piece of obsidian right

1291
01:18:25,700 --> 01:18:30,800
there has those too.
That's a 10 mL shot glass.

1292
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:34,200
That's approximately how much
water is in that rock and if

1293
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:36,700
that water were extracted, it
would look like that.

1294
01:18:36,700 --> 01:18:43,800
Pumice, whoa.
So, is this something that we've

1295
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:49,500
always known that, you know,
water was in obsidian, not at

1296
01:18:49,500 --> 01:18:52,000
all?
We know it now because if you

1297
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:57,500
heat the obsidian up, it will
pop because the water when

1298
01:18:57,500 --> 01:19:00,700
liquid water changes to a gas,
it goes through that phase

1299
01:19:00,700 --> 01:19:04,200
change it.
Expands 1700 times.

1300
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:10,100
So like one gallon of water,
would expand a 1700 gallons of

1301
01:19:10,100 --> 01:19:13,800
steam, okay?
And it's an enormous amount of

1302
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:16,700
pressure that's built up in that
process of changing.

1303
01:19:17,500 --> 01:19:20,400
So when you have a campfire and
you get some rocks and you put

1304
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,500
them around the campfire, and
you'll notice sometimes they

1305
01:19:22,500 --> 01:19:25,600
pop, right?
That's because there's water in

1306
01:19:25,608 --> 01:19:30,800
that rock.
That's why it pops and once the

1307
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,100
water is evacuated.
So if you heat that rock up

1308
01:19:33,100 --> 01:19:37,100
slowly, then the water will
migrate out and it will actually

1309
01:19:37,100 --> 01:19:40,700
come out of that rock and then
it won't pop once the waters

1310
01:19:40,700 --> 01:19:42,200
out.
But if the what if the rock is

1311
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:46,300
heated up with water in it, then
it will pop.

1312
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:50,500
Now obsidian will always pop
because there's so much water in

1313
01:19:50,500 --> 01:19:52,900
it.
It's such a high and the water

1314
01:19:52,900 --> 01:19:56,800
is trapped.
In the molecular structure of

1315
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:01,900
the obsidian.
I got to tell you the first

1316
01:20:01,900 --> 01:20:05,900
thing that's coming to my mind
is the story of Moses when he

1317
01:20:05,900 --> 01:20:08,300
causes water to come out of a
rock right?

1318
01:20:08,300 --> 01:20:13,900
He strikes The Rock and it comes
out and it and I'm thinking

1319
01:20:13,900 --> 01:20:20,800
about other things like yeah if
if this was If this, it's

1320
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:24,300
obviously true, right?
Because you've done the, you've

1321
01:20:24,300 --> 01:20:27,200
done the experiments, you've
shown it to be true.

1322
01:20:27,700 --> 01:20:30,800
This idea of a water shortage,
might not be a shortage at all.

1323
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:39,400
It may just be a an ability to
look at the science to quote one

1324
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:44,400
of my favorite people.
That's science to quote the to

1325
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:48,400
go get it out of maybe some
places we hadn't thought of

1326
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:57,300
getting it. for, as a matter of
fact, In our um workbook, we

1327
01:20:57,300 --> 01:20:59,900
actually take the kids out and
show them how they can prove.

1328
01:20:59,900 --> 01:21:03,400
There's water and rock and I
taken to a road cut over here.

1329
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:06,100
It's a, it's an area that's
rhyolite which is kind of a

1330
01:21:06,100 --> 01:21:08,700
bulk.
It's a volcanic rock and we got

1331
01:21:08,700 --> 01:21:12,400
about a softball sized.
Rock, we had, we got 26,

1332
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,500
different samples of rock.
This is our kids do this in

1333
01:21:15,500 --> 01:21:19,100
their home school and they
collected these rocks that we

1334
01:21:19,100 --> 01:21:23,400
did an experiment.
And we showed how much water is

1335
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:25,400
in.
In that one rock literally did

1336
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:27,300
the experiment with the kids
could see it.

1337
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,800
Then we put that in now we don't
have the ability to capture that

1338
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:33,800
water because you know, we're
not we're not that sophisticated

1339
01:21:34,300 --> 01:21:37,000
but we put it in the oven and we
heat the rock up until the water

1340
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:41,900
evacuated heating it up at 500
degrees for two hours and we did

1341
01:21:41,900 --> 01:21:44,400
all the steps.
What we did is we collect all

1342
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:46,300
the Rocks.
We scrubbed them all off and got

1343
01:21:46,300 --> 01:21:48,300
all the dirt, so they're clean.
And then we let him sit in the

1344
01:21:48,308 --> 01:21:51,500
house for a full week, so they'd
be dry and they'd be at the same

1345
01:21:51,500 --> 01:21:53,000
temperature.
Everything is at the same

1346
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:54,300
temperature.
Right?

1347
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:58,200
And then we took the
temperature, wait am twice.

1348
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:01,700
So we'd have an average of the
two ways, put them in the oven.

1349
01:22:01,900 --> 01:22:05,000
When it, we took them out.
We let them sit there for a full

1350
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:08,300
24 hours before we weighed them,
so you'd be completely cool.

1351
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:13,000
And then we tested them way to
McGann and it had this one Rock.

1352
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:16,000
I'm going to see if I can find
the picture here.

1353
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:24,300
I know I have close by And
anyway, this one rock had the

1354
01:22:24,300 --> 01:22:28,100
equivalent of about 10.
You know, how we'll have like,

1355
01:22:28,100 --> 01:22:30,400
half a shot glass in this
softball sized.

1356
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:33,200
Rock it came out at crystalline
Rock.

1357
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:37,400
If you extrapolated that to how
much Mountain there was this

1358
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:42,500
little road cut there is there
was more water trapped in the

1359
01:22:42,500 --> 01:22:44,600
Rock than we had available in
Lake.

1360
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:48,600
Mead and all the rivers up and
down the whole entire day.

1361
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,800
This is this is real science
that we could.

1362
01:22:51,900 --> 01:22:53,900
Find a way to do.
And there's a guy actually, a

1363
01:22:53,900 --> 01:22:56,400
guy named Mark Burr.
Who owns, primary Water,

1364
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:59,900
Resources actually doesn't only,
he's a partner in it and they're

1365
01:22:59,900 --> 01:23:04,500
doing that they're looking for
crystalline and they call it

1366
01:23:04,500 --> 01:23:08,800
primary water because you're
looking for water in not normal

1367
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:10,200
sources.
He didn't know anything about

1368
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:14,300
the, um, until when he found out
about it was like, mind-blowing

1369
01:23:14,300 --> 01:23:17,700
because that was the science
behind what they were trying to

1370
01:23:17,700 --> 01:23:22,000
find, that they had detected So
there is there are people out

1371
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,500
there that are taking this
pretty serious.

1372
01:23:26,300 --> 01:23:28,700
I was just thinking about
starting another company and

1373
01:23:28,700 --> 01:23:30,700
getting loaded like the oil
company.

1374
01:23:30,700 --> 01:23:34,600
It's just with water but it's
cold.

1375
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:38,800
Actually, we did a presentation
to the Water Conservancy board

1376
01:23:38,900 --> 01:23:42,000
in Iron County and Cedar City
about three years ago to

1377
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:45,500
propose.
This idea of it is so novel that

1378
01:23:45,500 --> 01:23:48,200
they just couldn't get a
referendum to have people say.

1379
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:49,700
Yeah, we'll go spend some money
on this.

1380
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:53,500
Crazy new idea.
What was?

1381
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:58,100
Okay, guy asked about this then
I want to go to what the

1382
01:23:58,100 --> 01:24:00,600
universal model has to say about
the planet.

1383
01:24:00,900 --> 01:24:04,500
But I'm fascinated with this
idea of you giving this this

1384
01:24:04,500 --> 01:24:13,000
presentation to a elected board
right out there in Iron County.

1385
01:24:14,300 --> 01:24:16,300
Did they look at you like you're
crazy.

1386
01:24:16,300 --> 01:24:20,100
What was there?
What was their take on it after

1387
01:24:20,100 --> 01:24:23,400
you were done?
Well, there were some there were

1388
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:29,300
some pretty serious interest
because we didn't just Theory,

1389
01:24:29,300 --> 01:24:32,700
we had actually gone out and
done some seismic profiles in

1390
01:24:32,700 --> 01:24:36,700
check Shawnee cliffs in Iron
County where we marked were

1391
01:24:36,700 --> 01:24:38,400
actually set up.
These little seismic things are

1392
01:24:38,407 --> 01:24:40,500
they would, they would read
this.

1393
01:24:40,700 --> 01:24:45,700
There's another company in in
Utah called Willow stick and

1394
01:24:45,700 --> 01:24:50,100
they trace groundwater using
electrical currents and the

1395
01:24:50,100 --> 01:24:54,800
Magnetic invest signature on
water and they would, they're

1396
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:58,100
kind of primary model is to
detect.

1397
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:02,400
Leakage before dams fail, right?
That's that's a general, they

1398
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:04,500
probably do more than that, but
I know that's one of their big

1399
01:25:04,500 --> 01:25:06,900
things, right?
Well, a couple of their guys

1400
01:25:06,900 --> 01:25:09,900
have actually gone on my tours
that I take to the Grand Canyon

1401
01:25:09,900 --> 01:25:13,500
and talk about this.
They are absolutely thinking.

1402
01:25:13,500 --> 01:25:16,500
This is, this is cool science
and it's they've got they know

1403
01:25:16,500 --> 01:25:19,600
it because they done some of
their own detection about how

1404
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:23,100
water is moving through the
Earth and, you know, so there

1405
01:25:23,100 --> 01:25:28,400
are little inroads, but like I
say, never with theory side, In

1406
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:31,500
this, in the college's, only
with the technical side that are

1407
01:25:31,700 --> 01:25:34,600
involved in the knowing and the
doing and they see the

1408
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:38,500
possibility of this.
Gotcha, gotcha.

1409
01:25:39,100 --> 01:25:41,300
Alright.
Now, let's we've talked a little

1410
01:25:41,300 --> 01:25:45,000
bit about what modern science
says.

1411
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:49,200
The earth is made out of.
We then went back and said okay.

1412
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:52,300
But let's look at all the other
planets out in space and then

1413
01:25:52,300 --> 01:25:57,100
let's just look at space itself
and how water con-con descends

1414
01:25:57,100 --> 01:26:02,000
on on Satellites, what's the
universal models?

1415
01:26:03,500 --> 01:26:05,900
What does it have to say about
what the Earth is?

1416
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:10,700
What it's made out of.
So, the Earth is formed.

1417
01:26:10,700 --> 01:26:13,200
It's a water Planet.
It's a hydro planet.

1418
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:18,500
And so, is there a core then?
Or is it just all water?

1419
01:26:19,100 --> 01:26:21,100
Well, let me, let me just show
you this right here.

1420
01:26:21,100 --> 01:26:26,600
I'll share this screen again.
Okay, so that's kind of the

1421
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:29,200
textbook view of what the earth
looks like.

1422
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:31,200
Right?
The solid inner credible, outer

1423
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:32,700
core.
We talked about that, right?

1424
01:26:33,700 --> 01:26:36,700
This is what the universal model
proposes is that.

1425
01:26:36,700 --> 01:26:39,900
It's some kind of a solid ice.
Now we have not seen the center

1426
01:26:39,900 --> 01:26:44,200
and neither have a nobody has.
So all we know is that we can

1427
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:48,800
look at the same data, we know
that there is a liquid core in

1428
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:51,200
the earth.
Something's liquid because the

1429
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:54,400
pressure wave from earthquakes,
don't penetrate the Core.

1430
01:26:55,300 --> 01:26:58,800
And that's the thing is that
when you have an earthquake that

1431
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:03,100
happens up here on this side and
sends a Shockwave all around the

1432
01:27:03,100 --> 01:27:05,200
earth.
Well, when it hits this liquid

1433
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:09,500
core, it doesn't go through it,
it can, it can deflect around it

1434
01:27:09,700 --> 01:27:11,800
but it doesn't go through it as
a certain wage.

1435
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:14,100
Don't go through the water
through the liquid.

1436
01:27:14,300 --> 01:27:16,100
They think the liquid is molten
rock.

1437
01:27:16,100 --> 01:27:20,300
We think the liquid is water.
So we just know that it's

1438
01:27:20,300 --> 01:27:22,100
liquid.
We also know that the plates are

1439
01:27:22,100 --> 01:27:26,700
floating on something.
Right and the plates.

1440
01:27:26,700 --> 01:27:28,800
I don't have that slide in this
show.

1441
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,100
I've done these a lot of these.
I'm kind of, I've been bouncing

1442
01:27:32,100 --> 01:27:34,700
around trying to find ones that
I can show you but I don't have

1443
01:27:34,700 --> 01:27:38,400
the one to show the seismic
tomography which is a way it's

1444
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:41,700
basically like the ultrasound
for the Earth and seismic

1445
01:27:41,700 --> 01:27:45,800
tomography will take a look and
it'll take like a slice through

1446
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:50,200
this part of them, the Earth and
it looks at the profile of the

1447
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:55,000
temperature and they know the
temperature based on the Sound

1448
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:57,200
waves that are passing through
stuff, right?

1449
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:01,200
And it turns out that the hotter
areas are always around the

1450
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:04,300
fault zones like this Pacific
ring of fire that comes up here

1451
01:28:04,900 --> 01:28:07,900
in this model that is Created
from the universal model.

1452
01:28:07,900 --> 01:28:12,100
You see kind of that blue area
yep that blue area is the cooler

1453
01:28:12,100 --> 01:28:14,100
parts.
The red is really this is

1454
01:28:14,100 --> 01:28:19,800
actually modeled after what the
seismic tomography shows huh and

1455
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:23,300
so it's actually hotter at the
surface than it is down from

1456
01:28:23,300 --> 01:28:24,500
what we can see.
See.

1457
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,800
Now, there have been other
experiments that have proven

1458
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:30,600
this out.
For example, the two deepest

1459
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,400
bore holes in the world.
One of them is in Germany and

1460
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:37,000
the others in Russia and the
Russian the Kola super-deep.

1461
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:40,200
Borehole is like 25,000 feet
thick down.

1462
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:44,100
Okay, so they drilled this hole
and the reason that they

1463
01:28:44,100 --> 01:28:48,200
couldn't go any further as it
started to get too hot and you

1464
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:50,800
might think on the surface so
that proves that the Earth is

1465
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:53,900
melting at its core.
But you got to realize that

1466
01:28:53,900 --> 01:28:58,700
you're 4,000 miles to the center
of the earth and they were only

1467
01:28:58,700 --> 01:29:03,300
about five miles deep, right?
Okay, so they're not that deep

1468
01:29:03,300 --> 01:29:06,700
at all and how is it possible?
That it could be that hot?

1469
01:29:06,700 --> 01:29:10,200
If it was this hot as that
thermal gradient was showing, it

1470
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:12,900
would be considerably hotter
than the surface of the Sun

1471
01:29:12,900 --> 01:29:16,500
downing's.
I beers there's no account for

1472
01:29:16,500 --> 01:29:19,100
how that could be, how much, how
it can be that hot.

1473
01:29:19,900 --> 01:29:22,300
And so they kind of missed that
point altogether.

1474
01:29:22,300 --> 01:29:26,200
They just simply don't know how
it got hot but they had a clue

1475
01:29:26,500 --> 01:29:29,000
when they were drilling during a
time.

1476
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:30,500
It was quiet was on Christmas
day.

1477
01:29:30,500 --> 01:29:33,200
There was an earthquake and all
of a sudden there was an

1478
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:35,100
anomalous, heat Spike and it
happened, right?

1479
01:29:35,100 --> 01:29:36,800
Exactly.
Where there's a fault line.

1480
01:29:38,700 --> 01:29:41,200
What is that telling them?
They did not get this.

1481
01:29:41,500 --> 01:29:44,700
That the fault line is the
source of the heat, the

1482
01:29:44,700 --> 01:29:48,000
friction, from the, you know
just like you rub your hands if

1483
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:50,700
you rub your hands together, you
can produce Deuce about right

1484
01:29:50,900 --> 01:29:54,600
pounds of pressure.
Well if you move 10,000 feet of

1485
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:59,000
rock then you're producing
enough pressure to melt rock.

1486
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:00,700
I'm Yuki all I have to do is
move it 1.

1487
01:30:00,700 --> 01:30:02,700
Mm.
And it's produced enough heat to

1488
01:30:02,700 --> 01:30:06,100
melt rock.
At 10,000 feet of rock and this

1489
01:30:06,100 --> 01:30:10,100
is 25,000 feet down, right?
So, right here in an area where

1490
01:30:10,100 --> 01:30:14,700
movement Rock movement and then
you might say, okay, if Rock

1491
01:30:14,700 --> 01:30:17,700
movement does it, is there any
time on the earth to rocks are

1492
01:30:17,700 --> 01:30:19,600
moving?
Well, have you ever been to the

1493
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:24,200
ocean and seen the ocean tides?
Yep, the same things happening

1494
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:26,700
on the earth.
The earth is experiencing Earth

1495
01:30:26,700 --> 01:30:29,300
Tides.
The Earth is going up and down

1496
01:30:29,300 --> 01:30:32,700
about 8 inches or so, average,
twice a day.

1497
01:30:32,900 --> 01:30:36,400
So, as the Earth is, Earth's
crust is going up and down.

1498
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:40,000
It's so subtle that you don't
feel it or see it but it's going

1499
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:43,400
up and down every day and it's
creating heat because of the

1500
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:47,800
frictional movement of that all
that Rock movie, there's an

1501
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:50,600
enormous amount of latent heat
that's built up without any

1502
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:52,700
earthquakes just simply because
the Earth is moving.

1503
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:59,300
I can I can attest to that
because as a surveyor we use GPS

1504
01:30:59,300 --> 01:31:03,400
and we have to have certain, we
call them geoids and they help

1505
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:06,400
too.
Kind of take out some of that

1506
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:09,000
wiggle so to speak.
Exactly.

1507
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:12,900
Because if it's it's not that
big of a deal eight inches in

1508
01:31:12,900 --> 01:31:16,300
that big of a deal until you're
trying to be precise on a on a

1509
01:31:16,308 --> 01:31:20,000
survey, right?
And you know, and it wants to

1510
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,700
get down to the, you know, the
fraction of an inch.

1511
01:31:22,900 --> 01:31:24,900
And so they kind of take you
talk about.

1512
01:31:24,900 --> 01:31:26,300
I'm sure you've heard this all
the time.

1513
01:31:26,300 --> 01:31:29,100
You have these geodesic survey
marker points and they're

1514
01:31:29,100 --> 01:31:31,900
supposedly these fixed points
but they're not.

1515
01:31:31,900 --> 01:31:36,200
They actually there has to be To
be a little bit of an algorithm

1516
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:38,000
built in to be able to because
it's moving.

1517
01:31:38,500 --> 01:31:41,500
The Earth is constantly moving
little, tiny bits.

1518
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:43,800
Well, sometimes little tiny
bits.

1519
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:48,100
I mean, you can go to
Yellowstone and Survey markers

1520
01:31:48,100 --> 01:31:50,900
you've put in there, will get
pushed all the way out.

1521
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:55,300
The same with Alaska, Alaska has
the same effect only because of

1522
01:31:55,700 --> 01:31:59,700
the permafrost and that sort of
thing, it'll it'll push great

1523
01:31:59,700 --> 01:32:01,900
big Iron pipes right out of the
ground.

1524
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:04,700
Yeah, that's so fascinating,
isn't it?

1525
01:32:05,500 --> 01:32:08,100
And that's because the Earth
itself is an oblate spheroid.

1526
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:12,300
In other words, it's like egg
shaped and in what shaping that

1527
01:32:12,300 --> 01:32:14,700
is the moon, as it's going
around the earth, it's kind of

1528
01:32:14,700 --> 01:32:18,300
dragging the Earth with it, as
it does that, it causes the

1529
01:32:18,300 --> 01:32:22,100
Earth's crust to flex and when
that does it heats the Heats the

1530
01:32:22,100 --> 01:32:27,500
Earth crust up?
And so go ahead, one of the one

1531
01:32:27,500 --> 01:32:30,200
of the things that comes that
not only are you building up

1532
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:32,100
heat but you're building up
electricity.

1533
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:36,100
Right.
How's that?

1534
01:32:36,100 --> 01:32:41,800
For cool, so let me ask you
this, if If the Earth is heating

1535
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:44,800
up, 8 inches up, and down every
day.

1536
01:32:44,900 --> 01:32:48,800
Why don't we experience?
And I'm just for you, forgive

1537
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:51,000
the question.
I, my simple mind here.

1538
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:53,800
Why aren't we seeing more cracks
in concrete?

1539
01:32:53,900 --> 01:32:57,300
Why aren't we seeing more cracks
in the asphalt?

1540
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:02,300
Well, because eight inches is in
the scheme of things, 8 inches

1541
01:33:02,300 --> 01:33:06,200
is nothing.
It's so small that it was

1542
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:08,600
undetected for hundreds of
years.

1543
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:12,800
They only barely detected that
in the last 20 years, okay?

1544
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:15,800
So it's so slight.
That even the seismometers don't

1545
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:19,800
pick up that movement and it was
just because there was a, some

1546
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:23,600
anomalous recording from GPS
satellites and said something's

1547
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:25,200
going on here.
Something's moving.

1548
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:28,500
And then they began to look at
it but it's so slight that

1549
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:31,800
Unless you actually were looking
for you just you would it would

1550
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:35,100
be imperceptible.
That's so that's, that's why you

1551
01:33:35,100 --> 01:33:39,200
know, if they're if it builds up
or pressure builds up and this

1552
01:33:39,300 --> 01:33:43,700
slight movement is constantly
just adding pressure and

1553
01:33:43,700 --> 01:33:46,600
eventually that pressure builds
up to the point where he

1554
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:49,700
something's going to move.
There's a buildup in it and that

1555
01:33:49,700 --> 01:33:54,100
could be build up heat or and
then you know things can get

1556
01:33:54,100 --> 01:33:55,500
lubricated.
So in other words, there's

1557
01:33:55,500 --> 01:33:58,400
friction that's holding.
Everything still on.

1558
01:33:58,500 --> 01:34:03,300
Until something happens.
And that could be a little teeny

1559
01:34:03,300 --> 01:34:06,000
bit of melted rock,
decompression, all expansion

1560
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:09,700
water, anything can happen.
And then a little tiny bit of

1561
01:34:09,700 --> 01:34:12,600
lubricant, makes the the point
slide.

1562
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:14,900
And then that's when you do,
have the cracks of the

1563
01:34:14,900 --> 01:34:16,700
earthquakes.
And that's when you can actually

1564
01:34:16,700 --> 01:34:20,000
have earthquakes.
That are small enough, not to be

1565
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:23,800
detected but they will crack no
crack sidewalks.

1566
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:27,600
And their yeah, yeah, gotcha.
Okay.

1567
01:34:28,300 --> 01:34:32,700
Nope, that makes sense.
I have to kind of think of the

1568
01:34:32,700 --> 01:34:36,700
Earth as a living breathing
entity because it literally is

1569
01:34:36,700 --> 01:34:40,000
expanding and Contracting.
And in the last chapter of

1570
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:43,400
volume one, we actually talked
about how much that affects

1571
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:47,000
whether we've been taught that
the sun is the only major heat

1572
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:50,900
source of the of the weather
driving weather systems and they

1573
01:34:50,900 --> 01:34:53,700
completely overlooked the Earth
because they don't see this

1574
01:34:53,700 --> 01:34:55,500
movement.
They don't see the frictional

1575
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:58,700
frictional, heat that's being
built up because of the movement

1576
01:34:58,700 --> 01:35:00,900
of the celestial.
He's the Sun and the Moon.

1577
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:04,700
And so, what we can do now with
weather, as we can predict

1578
01:35:04,700 --> 01:35:07,400
things that happen days in
advance because we can see the

1579
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:09,500
movement of a higher low
pressure.

1580
01:35:09,900 --> 01:35:12,500
We can see the oscillation of
the polar vortex.

1581
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:16,400
We can predict the LA Nina's and
Almeida, yo weather patterns,

1582
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:19,800
because of the temperature of
the ocean water, but we can't

1583
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:22,300
tell you what makes a high
pressure Zone.

1584
01:35:23,300 --> 01:35:26,400
We can't tell you why a low
pressure forms.

1585
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:29,300
We can tell you what happens
when it does, you know?

1586
01:35:29,300 --> 01:35:32,400
Like A thousand things probably
can't tell you what actually

1587
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:35,800
makes it form.
And so, for example, Las Vegas

1588
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:39,000
is constantly sets underneath
this.

1589
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:43,100
High pressure Zone that gives us
about on the average 320, or so

1590
01:35:43,100 --> 01:35:46,800
days of clear whether a year
clear and own, and I love being

1591
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:50,300
here for astronomy standpoint
because almost every single

1592
01:35:50,300 --> 01:35:54,100
night, no matter what the sky
clears up, because we're under a

1593
01:35:54,108 --> 01:35:57,300
high pressure Zone that high
pressure zones being created

1594
01:35:57,300 --> 01:35:59,000
because the Earth is breathing
right here.

1595
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:03,300
Fault lines that are part of the
whole Black Canyon Lake Mead

1596
01:36:03,300 --> 01:36:05,600
area.
These are outgassing in the

1597
01:36:05,608 --> 01:36:10,100
winter time, we see that is as
the gypsum being pushed up

1598
01:36:10,100 --> 01:36:12,400
through the soil, it's literally
pushing this out.

1599
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:16,400
This constant migration of salts
up through the surface is

1600
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:19,500
because of the out pressure,
that's being generated as

1601
01:36:19,500 --> 01:36:21,100
creating a high pressure Zone
here.

1602
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:24,100
And so that's why we always have
one.

1603
01:36:24,500 --> 01:36:27,000
They don't know that they never
talk about that, they just know

1604
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:30,300
that where it's comes and they
can predict its movement and so

1605
01:36:30,300 --> 01:36:34,300
we've got tons and tons of data
to know what happens and where

1606
01:36:34,300 --> 01:36:38,100
things are going.
But nobody can tell you how it's

1607
01:36:38,100 --> 01:36:43,300
forming and it's because we're
not studying the water Planet as

1608
01:36:43,300 --> 01:36:46,800
a water planet.
Okay, let me ask you another

1609
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:49,600
question again.
Simple simple mind here.

1610
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:59,200
What about global warming is
one, is it really happening to

1611
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:03,500
are we doing it?
Or is this a product of the

1612
01:37:03,500 --> 01:37:07,200
Earth's natural as you were
saying friction?

1613
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:11,900
Well that's a pretty loaded
subject.

1614
01:37:11,900 --> 01:37:14,400
So let me answer it in a couple
of ways, okay?

1615
01:37:14,500 --> 01:37:18,300
Everyone if we just look at the
data, we see the same thing,

1616
01:37:18,300 --> 01:37:20,200
everybody else does and what do
we see?

1617
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:23,200
We see that temperatures on
average are rising.

1618
01:37:23,700 --> 01:37:26,400
We see that storm.
Are increasing and ferocity.

1619
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:30,300
And in frequency, we are seeing
things like the Mississippi

1620
01:37:30,300 --> 01:37:33,000
River, Running dry, and we see
these kind of things.

1621
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:37,300
But what we also see is that
this is a cyclical process that

1622
01:37:37,300 --> 01:37:39,800
has happened for hundreds of
thousands of years.

1623
01:37:40,300 --> 01:37:46,900
So in in, in one way, In the
1970s is just 50 years ago, the

1624
01:37:46,900 --> 01:37:50,700
whole fear was global cooling
and the Earth was going to was

1625
01:37:50,700 --> 01:37:52,300
on its way into the next ice
age.

1626
01:37:52,300 --> 01:37:54,700
And that's because you know,
everything was getting cold and

1627
01:37:54,700 --> 01:37:56,900
now all of a sudden we've swung
the other way.

1628
01:37:57,700 --> 01:38:00,700
And so we've reached the point
where our Insanity has brought

1629
01:38:00,700 --> 01:38:04,500
us to where we think cow farts
are creating this problem and

1630
01:38:04,500 --> 01:38:07,500
this is just it's absurd right
now.

1631
01:38:07,500 --> 01:38:13,700
One single volcanic, eruption
puts more CO2 in the air than

1632
01:38:13,700 --> 01:38:16,000
all.
Of the cars on in the United

1633
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:20,600
States driving for a full year.
And then here's the other, if

1634
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:22,300
you think it's just follow the
money.

1635
01:38:22,300 --> 01:38:25,200
If you think about the great lie
of electric cars, right?

1636
01:38:25,200 --> 01:38:27,800
And I'm sure that you've already
explored this idea.

1637
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:33,200
First of all, we spend enormous
amounts of resources and energy

1638
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:37,600
to produce the oars and the in
the iron, and the lithium and

1639
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:39,800
all the Rare Earth elements to
make batteries.

1640
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:44,100
And then we still have to build
coal-fired or oil fired power,

1641
01:38:44,100 --> 01:38:48,700
plants to produce electricity to
charge them. and even if we want

1642
01:38:48,700 --> 01:38:53,700
to go green and we have The
windmills doing it.

1643
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:59,100
Every windmill takes a 55 gallon
drum of oil to lubricate it on a

1644
01:38:59,100 --> 01:39:03,500
regular basis.
And so in the whole building of

1645
01:39:03,500 --> 01:39:07,000
it fiberglass structure in the
steel structure requires

1646
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:13,200
enormous amounts of electrical
energy generated by Regular

1647
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:16,200
traditional methods, I hate to
use the word fossil fuel, you

1648
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:19,600
know that that whole concept
came because Rockefeller wanted

1649
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:22,700
to create an idea of scarcity,
right?

1650
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:26,300
Literally marketed it as a
fossil fuel to make it seem like

1651
01:39:26,300 --> 01:39:31,100
oh, there were dinosaurs but
fossil fuels a false narrative.

1652
01:39:31,100 --> 01:39:35,300
It came from microbial things
that happened mostly during the

1653
01:39:35,300 --> 01:39:38,400
flood, but there is an abundance
of oil.

1654
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:43,200
And so it's just it's a it's a
scarcity lie that think that

1655
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:47,300
that's the that's the answer.
We've already proven that we can

1656
01:39:47,300 --> 01:39:50,800
scrub the emissions from
coal-fired power plants and from

1657
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:54,300
oil oil fired power.
Plants to clean the air.

1658
01:39:54,300 --> 01:39:55,800
We already know that we can do
that.

1659
01:39:57,200 --> 01:40:00,700
So it's just, it's a total false
narrative to think that we have

1660
01:40:00,700 --> 01:40:04,000
to go.
Supposedly Green in reality

1661
01:40:04,100 --> 01:40:06,900
that's just about shifting
money.

1662
01:40:08,100 --> 01:40:09,000
Yeah.
Yeah.

1663
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:13,400
No I and and the, the quote you
made about the volcanoes was the

1664
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:15,300
one I was going to bring up,
right?

1665
01:40:15,500 --> 01:40:18,600
As, as I kind of just did my
cursor.

1666
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:22,800
Airy, you know, in looking at
it, right?

1667
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:25,100
And again, I've obviously proven
on this podcast.

1668
01:40:25,100 --> 01:40:26,800
I'm not sure if it's tool in the
shed.

1669
01:40:27,100 --> 01:40:30,600
But in so if a guy like me can
look and see, hey there's more

1670
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:35,800
CO2, coming out of one eruption
than anything man is ever made.

1671
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:43,700
It just doesn't seem to hold
water that in 100 Years of since

1672
01:40:43,700 --> 01:40:46,400
the Industrial Revolution that
we've managed to screw it up as

1673
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:51,800
bad as what they say.
We have So I want to before you

1674
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:53,900
cut me off here, and I know
you're getting close to doing

1675
01:40:53,900 --> 01:40:58,000
that.
I want to kind of set the stage

1676
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:00,700
for part two of this Universal
model.

1677
01:41:00,700 --> 01:41:03,000
Okay.
Okay we've talked about how

1678
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:07,300
water is in rocks and how you
know, what what that really

1679
01:41:07,300 --> 01:41:10,600
means, but I want to share with
something with you again.

1680
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:12,400
I'm going to put the screen back
up here.

1681
01:41:13,300 --> 01:41:17,400
This is actually an experiment
where we performed where we took

1682
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:19,800
this Court's right here.
You see this as before growing?

1683
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:23,700
Yeah, in 24 hours.
This is what that quartz crystal

1684
01:41:23,700 --> 01:41:27,500
look like, wow.
Okay, so this is a one-day

1685
01:41:27,500 --> 01:41:30,800
growth, this is another version
of that.

1686
01:41:31,700 --> 01:41:35,100
And so we've learned how to make
quartz crystals.

1687
01:41:35,100 --> 01:41:36,800
We've learned how to make Sam
Stone.

1688
01:41:37,500 --> 01:41:41,500
And then when we start asking
questions about what is a

1689
01:41:41,500 --> 01:41:48,800
fossil, a fossil is a rock that
started out as wood or as bone

1690
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:51,600
and then was replaced with
silica and modern science thinks

1691
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:56,000
that takes 65 million years or.
So we've produced petrified

1692
01:41:56,000 --> 01:42:01,200
wood.
In two days, whoo-hoo.

1693
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:06,100
This is this is like one
experiment that changes, the

1694
01:42:06,100 --> 01:42:13,000
world, bone, silicified phones,
and be created really fast

1695
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:17,800
because correct me if I'm wrong
that kind of starts to upset the

1696
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:20,100
idea of carbon dating as well.
Right?

1697
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:23,400
Well, carbon dating, we talked a
little bit about that for just a

1698
01:42:23,407 --> 01:42:26,100
moment.
So, carbon dating means that you

1699
01:42:26,100 --> 01:42:28,900
date radioactive carbon, which
is carbon 14.

1700
01:42:29,500 --> 01:42:32,500
Now, the most common carbon is
just regular ER carbon-12.

1701
01:42:32,500 --> 01:42:35,800
That's when you have carbon 12
and your body carbon dioxide.

1702
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:38,600
When you exhale, it Limestone
has carbonate.

1703
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:43,000
The carbon molecules in it.
Your car produces hydrocarbon

1704
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:45,800
fuels produce you know some
carbons like get everything.

1705
01:42:45,800 --> 01:42:50,300
All living things have carbon.
We're carbon-based life-forms.

1706
01:42:50,300 --> 01:42:51,900
You've heard that probably
right?

1707
01:42:51,900 --> 01:42:54,700
Yeah, so carbon is throughout
the whole system.

1708
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:58,500
Well, a tiny fraction of the
carbon we're talking about less

1709
01:42:58,500 --> 01:43:04,500
than a percent is carbon 14,
which is Stable and so carbon-14

1710
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:07,600
it isn't stable and is
eventually going to break down

1711
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:11,000
and the concept of Half-Life
means that if I start out with a

1712
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:14,200
pound of stuff in a certain
amount of time, I'm going to

1713
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:17,400
have half a pound.
How long does it take that pound

1714
01:43:17,700 --> 01:43:21,300
to become half a pound?
Or how long does it take this

1715
01:43:21,300 --> 01:43:24,800
unstable carbon-14 to break down
into its daughter?

1716
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:26,500
Elements of?
I don't remember.

1717
01:43:26,500 --> 01:43:28,600
Actually, what they are right
now but into the daughter

1718
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:30,600
elements, that's not carbon-14,
right?

1719
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:35,800
So carbon teen is a dating
method that they know that 5720

1720
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:40,200
years is the half-life of
carbon-14 So, the first thing

1721
01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:43,200
you have to do is make an
assumption about how carbon-14

1722
01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:47,000
is actually created, and then
you have to make an assumption

1723
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:51,100
of how much carbon 14 was in the
system a long time ago because

1724
01:43:51,100 --> 01:43:54,400
none of us were around more than
5,700, 20 years ago, right?

1725
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:58,700
So we have to extrapolate that
and especially if you go back,

1726
01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:02,600
half another another another,
you know, three four five

1727
01:44:02,700 --> 01:44:08,300
versions of 5720 years, And it
becomes this incrementally

1728
01:44:08,300 --> 01:44:11,800
impossible, small amount.
It's do most non-existent.

1729
01:44:12,500 --> 01:44:14,400
Right?
So the whole idea of carbon-14

1730
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:19,100
is your dating, this tiny amount
of carbon and you're trying to

1731
01:44:19,100 --> 01:44:22,500
extrapolate its date.
But in volume 2, we actually

1732
01:44:22,500 --> 01:44:25,100
did.
We have an article in there by a

1733
01:44:25,100 --> 01:44:29,700
woman who dated to Radice
Norway, rat, Norway rats, right?

1734
01:44:29,700 --> 01:44:33,500
They were euthanized some of
their living captured in the

1735
01:44:33,500 --> 01:44:35,600
same general area.
They were euthanized.

1736
01:44:35,700 --> 01:44:38,900
And they send them off to two
different labs to get carbon

1737
01:44:38,900 --> 01:44:43,500
dating when they came back.
One of them was about sixteen.

1738
01:44:43,500 --> 01:44:46,700
Hundred years old.
The other one died, 280 years in

1739
01:44:46,700 --> 01:44:55,600
the future.
Okay, so sorry these are rats

1740
01:44:55,600 --> 01:45:00,200
that they genetic analysis to
know that they were like in the

1741
01:45:00,200 --> 01:45:03,200
same kind of family the same,
you know, maybe brother sister.

1742
01:45:03,200 --> 01:45:07,300
I don't know that they send
these up and Because the answer

1743
01:45:07,300 --> 01:45:09,900
was so strange.
It was in a published Journal

1744
01:45:09,900 --> 01:45:12,100
article.
It wasn't just some person

1745
01:45:12,100 --> 01:45:16,200
saying it was in the actually
the journal science Dean

1746
01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:19,500
actually wrote to the lady and
said is this real and she says

1747
01:45:19,500 --> 01:45:22,600
well yes it's a peer-reviewed
article, it's real.

1748
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:27,500
And so what she did is he says,
oh, that tells us about

1749
01:45:27,500 --> 01:45:32,000
something about what they ate.
So the Carbon 14 dating isn't

1750
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:38,700
really that accurate, but there
can be uses for it because it's

1751
01:45:38,700 --> 01:45:42,800
a relative dating system.
Which means if we have other

1752
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:45,900
things, that we can corroborate
it too and they call that

1753
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:49,400
calibrating the radiometric
clock, right?

1754
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:54,000
This is there are sometimes
where that's a useful tool

1755
01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:57,400
because there is no, no.
There's other known things that

1756
01:45:57,400 --> 01:45:59,900
you can date to.
So if you do have Like maybe

1757
01:45:59,900 --> 01:46:04,000
some some leftover some a dash
from a fire pit or a tree or

1758
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:06,000
some other thing.
That's carbon still has to be

1759
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:08,600
carbon-based.
Then maybe you can update a

1760
01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:12,300
proximate dating but as to the
idea that you can create

1761
01:46:12,300 --> 01:46:16,500
something more than more than
twenty or thirty thousand years

1762
01:46:16,500 --> 01:46:19,500
old is just completely silly to
think that.

1763
01:46:20,700 --> 01:46:25,900
So carbon when a rock when a log
turns into a piece of petrified

1764
01:46:25,900 --> 01:46:30,000
wood, there's no carbon in it.
So fossils can not be dated

1765
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:33,800
directly by any radiometric.
Dating fossils can never be

1766
01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:36,800
dated doesn't matter if it's a
dinosaur bone petrified, tree

1767
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:40,000
shark-tooth.
They cannot be dated so they can

1768
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:44,000
only infer the dating by the
layer that it's found in.

1769
01:46:44,300 --> 01:46:47,300
And you also can't date
sedimentary rock, because

1770
01:46:47,300 --> 01:46:50,600
sedimentary rock is other rock,
it just been laid in.

1771
01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:52,800
You don't know how old that are
when that happened.

1772
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:57,900
So, 100% of all dinosaur.
Bones are always found in flood

1773
01:46:57,900 --> 01:47:01,500
type sediment And you can't date
those.

1774
01:47:01,500 --> 01:47:04,500
You can't date the bone or the
sentiment so you have to infer

1775
01:47:04,500 --> 01:47:08,500
it by some well way over there.
There was a volcanic eruption or

1776
01:47:08,500 --> 01:47:10,900
over here.
So there's things that they do

1777
01:47:10,900 --> 01:47:14,300
but they're always infirmed and
never can you carbon-date a

1778
01:47:14,308 --> 01:47:17,600
dinosaur bone or petrified wood?
Wow.

1779
01:47:19,400 --> 01:47:25,400
While I've often wondered about
that because they they always go

1780
01:47:25,400 --> 01:47:30,100
back to that with a certain
level of with the level of

1781
01:47:30,100 --> 01:47:34,700
certainty that allows them to
have like an authority position.

1782
01:47:34,700 --> 01:47:39,400
And I've often wondered, you
know, it is that, is it really

1783
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:42,400
that reliable?
It doesn't sound like it is.

1784
01:47:43,500 --> 01:47:48,400
No, I think I think like, I say
there is relative things that

1785
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:51,900
you can use, for example, if
you're trying to date and you're

1786
01:47:51,900 --> 01:47:57,800
trying to figure out and where
somebody lived in Mississippi

1787
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:00,500
and you're looking, you know,
where did they live with a older

1788
01:48:00,500 --> 01:48:03,800
than this one than this one?
I think there's some value in

1789
01:48:03,800 --> 01:48:06,800
that.
But when you start applying

1790
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:10,400
right radiometric, dating to
other things like the Hawaiian

1791
01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:12,700
islands, for example, or to
meteorites.

1792
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:15,900
You know, we come up with the
Earth being 4.5 billion years

1793
01:48:15,900 --> 01:48:19,000
old because they study, the
Arizona crater, I don't think we

1794
01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:21,200
should get into that tonight.
We can do this on a part 2

1795
01:48:21,200 --> 01:48:23,100
because that's a whole story in
itself.

1796
01:48:23,100 --> 01:48:26,200
Yeah, the Arizona meteor crater,
is not really caused by a

1797
01:48:26,208 --> 01:48:29,800
meteorite, but it's the study of
that crater that created the

1798
01:48:29,800 --> 01:48:34,400
data 4.5 billion years old
because they teased some lead I

1799
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:36,600
see.
Eat oats that they assumed had

1800
01:48:36,700 --> 01:48:39,300
for the daughter products of
radioactive uranium.

1801
01:48:39,900 --> 01:48:44,700
Wow.
So it's a It's just fascinating

1802
01:48:44,700 --> 01:48:49,000
to me to think how we literally
built this whole system out of

1803
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:51,800
nothing.
And modern science believe

1804
01:48:51,800 --> 01:48:53,400
basically, that's what the big
bang is.

1805
01:48:53,400 --> 01:48:56,800
The Big Bang is a universe that
came from nothing, right?

1806
01:48:56,900 --> 01:49:00,700
So not only does their theory of
creation come from nothing but

1807
01:49:00,700 --> 01:49:05,600
the foundation of what they
teach is really that great and

1808
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:08,600
spacious building that has no
foundations floating in the air,

1809
01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:13,300
they have no foundation for For
so much of what they're putting

1810
01:49:13,300 --> 01:49:15,600
out there.
It's built on somebody's ideas,

1811
01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:20,200
some generations ago, and nobody
questions those fundamentals.

1812
01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:25,300
And when you do, you basically
get mocked and scoffed at chip.

1813
01:49:25,700 --> 01:49:29,800
Yeah, no, you're 100% right.
Russ.

1814
01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:31,300
We've done.
Almost two hours here.

1815
01:49:31,300 --> 01:49:34,600
Big guy.
Is there anything you wanted to

1816
01:49:34,600 --> 01:49:38,500
go over right now before we
schedule a part 2?

1817
01:49:39,800 --> 01:49:42,500
You know, the thing I want to
encourage people more than

1818
01:49:42,500 --> 01:49:46,600
anything is most of us.
I think most of your listeners

1819
01:49:46,600 --> 01:49:49,900
are probably they've grown up
with a Bible, probably somewhere

1820
01:49:49,900 --> 01:49:55,800
nearby and we've looked at the
Bible as if it is just a text to

1821
01:49:55,800 --> 01:49:59,400
talk about some religion and we
not really given it, the

1822
01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:01,300
Credence as an actual history
book.

1823
01:50:01,300 --> 01:50:06,900
But I have to tell you that.
I have learned in my studies and

1824
01:50:06,900 --> 01:50:11,000
everything is that the first
probably 12 Chapters of Genesis

1825
01:50:11,400 --> 01:50:14,600
are the most important book of
scripture that we have and we

1826
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:17,500
all should read it.
I particularly like the

1827
01:50:17,500 --> 01:50:20,700
translation that Joseph Smith
did the inspired version but we

1828
01:50:20,700 --> 01:50:23,700
should all read those first
twelve chapters because our

1829
01:50:23,700 --> 01:50:27,900
entire Theology and all of
science can be revealed in those

1830
01:50:27,900 --> 01:50:30,500
chapters.
That's a pretty bold statement

1831
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:33,600
to you.
And I think we, if we will spend

1832
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:38,800
the time to truly understand
that, it's a magnificent book of

1833
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:42,100
enormous.
Value and I just want to kind of

1834
01:50:42,100 --> 01:50:46,700
lead maybe with my testimony
that the Bible especially the

1835
01:50:46,700 --> 01:50:51,200
Book of Genesis is is should be
the foundation of our learning

1836
01:50:51,200 --> 01:50:52,800
and should be the foundation of
what we do.

1837
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:56,500
Not to take our worldview of and
shove it in but to take what it

1838
01:50:56,500 --> 01:50:58,800
says and then go out and learn
the science.

1839
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:03,800
And truly do the experiments to
see how magnificent that single

1840
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:06,300
book is and how important it is
in our life.

1841
01:51:07,500 --> 01:51:09,300
That's beautiful.
All right.

1842
01:51:09,300 --> 01:51:12,700
If someone wants to grab the
universal model, where do they

1843
01:51:12,700 --> 01:51:15,500
go going to True?
Seekers?

1844
01:51:15,500 --> 01:51:17,900
Foundation.com, I'll get you a
link.

1845
01:51:17,900 --> 01:51:21,700
We have a landing page.
I think it's um, science but

1846
01:51:21,700 --> 01:51:24,700
I'll get you a landing page and
when I send that picture over to

1847
01:51:24,700 --> 01:51:28,300
you, okay, I'll I'll include the
link on there but through

1848
01:51:28,300 --> 01:51:31,500
speakers foundation.com is kind
of all of our stuff.

1849
01:51:31,500 --> 01:51:33,400
Our tours are books or
workbooks.

1850
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:36,400
And then, maybe next time, we
can kind of jump into a little

1851
01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:40,900
bit You have a of the workbook
and how to bring that into

1852
01:51:40,900 --> 01:51:44,800
geography.
And in your own body, we will

1853
01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:47,700
talk about the life in the human
body and how we have the

1854
01:51:47,700 --> 01:51:52,500
universal model is a way of
teaching to your kids.

1855
01:51:53,200 --> 01:51:56,300
The truth about how their bodies
are functioning and what's going

1856
01:51:56,300 --> 01:51:59,000
on inside their bodies?
Is that sounds awesome?

1857
01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:01,400
I can't wait stick around
because I want to get you

1858
01:52:01,400 --> 01:52:03,100
scheduled before you leave.
All right?

1859
01:52:03,400 --> 01:52:05,800
Yeah.
All right Russ.

1860
01:52:05,800 --> 01:52:08,300
You're awesome.
That Was awesome, YouTube guy

1861
01:52:08,300 --> 01:52:11,400
who hates science and I couldn't
stop asking questions.

1862
01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:15,400
So that's if you never do
anything else, you can say, I

1863
01:52:15,400 --> 01:52:18,500
think I taught Dave Sanders
something and somewhere.

1864
01:52:18,500 --> 01:52:21,300
They'll be a science.
Teacher completely irritated

1865
01:52:21,400 --> 01:52:23,800
that I had in high school.
So good for you man.

1866
01:52:24,300 --> 01:52:25,700
All right, by everybody.