Episode #188: Extracting Greater Meaning From The Scriptures W/Edwin Jacobi

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The you're listening to the
Mormon Renegade podcast.

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Edwin, how's it going?
Fantastic.

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Dave.
Dude, I got to give a big shout

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out to Joshua Erickson.
I shout that dude out more I

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think on this podcast.
Yeah.

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And then a lot of other folks.
That dude is great.

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But I, I saw your, your
presentation at the Zarahemla

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Tour Restoration Conference and
I wanted to get you on because

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I, I was kind of fascinated by
what, what you had to say there.

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So shout out to Joshua for
putting this in touch.

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But man, it was it was a heck of
a presentation you gave man.

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And I was blazing and it wasn't
very long.

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I covered a lot of ground pretty
quick.

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And fortunately, Joshua's
people, those guys, they've got

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what I call, they've got some
Legos in their box.

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And so the ability for me to
just explain a couple of things

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and people to follow along, you
know, given the fact that we're,

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we're throwing some things at
them, they, boy, they came along

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with it.
And I really love that because

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they understood enough and they
had enough.

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What I like I said, they have
enough Legos and understanding

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the scriptures that when you get
to show that to them, their

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brain gets to assemble that they
can look at what you assembled

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and will go.
That's.

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I'm not saying it's right, but
it's not wrong.

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Right.
And that's 100%.

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That's the first part of it.
And I find that that's one of

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the most difficult things in
teaching everywhere.

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So when I spend most of my time
with with Jewish people or

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rabbis or things like that, more
so than others, they understand

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exactly what I'm saying.
They just have never looked at

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the Legos that way.
Right.

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And that's The funny thing.
And then over here, everybody's

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kind of separated when it's all
said and done.

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So I seem to be in the middle
ground of interpreting that and

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it, it works out great.
So shout out to him.

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Absolutely.
He, well, you talk about the,

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the fruit from the tree and he's
really got some great people.

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Yeah, more so than most places
I've seen.

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Yeah, you know, and and you hit
on something big, right.

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The idea to think critically is
it's kind of becoming a lost

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art, right?
I think far too long we've we've

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taught kids what to think and
not how to think.

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And I think that's coming back
to bite us in in the rear, so to

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speak.
And I was just reading an

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article, Oh gosh, I want to say
two or three weeks ago.

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And then I was speaking to my
buddy Justin about this.

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Most young adults now cannot
read books in third person.

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Yeah.
Right.

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And that gets really spooky when
you start to think about how

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much of the scripture is written
from third person.

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Absolutely.
And then you think about the

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concept of of Hebrew, ancient
Hebrew literary devices, which

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you would learn in rabbinical
school.

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But then again, now you can just
look them up.

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But at the same time, part of
what happens is the ones that

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they talk about that you can
access, aren't all of them

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right?
So when we talk about things

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like the tongue of angels, there
are literary devices that God

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has to teach you that you're not
going to learn in rabbinical

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school, You're not going to look
them up in AI.

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And then the Lord guide you to
things that when I was going

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through this stuff for years
and, and working a lot of this

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out and, and a lot of basic and
most all of it being given to me

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and in an idea.
And then I have to go, you know,

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and I have to go build it and
plant it and figure out if it

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bears fruit and then see if it
grows.

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And, and there's, there's things
that I've got that are sitting

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there for four years and you
just go, yeah, I wonder how long

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I need to wait before I think
that's not good.

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Right.
So, so every once in a while you

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kind of metaphorically circle
around to the deep part of the

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garden and go, yeah, I know that
was idiotic.

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It, it sounded really good and,
and plausibly it built out

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really great.
But that thing is not moving.

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So, and, and that's how you
know, right.

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So anyway, I agree with you.
The, the thinking critical has

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become a lost art.
And then when you get to a

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certain point, then you really
have to understand how to

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actually plant the seed.
And you have to understand the

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metrics and the measuring
mechanisms behind what God deems

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is good.
And a lot of things that I

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talked about end up becoming
outputted in a very pragmatic

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and practical way because I
teach it constantly in business.

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So when I'm lecturing in front
of CE OS, I'm preaching the

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gospel.
I'm just doing it like when the

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Savior's talking about which of
you had 100 sheep and you lost

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one and you went after it.
Well, if we understand that, we

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realized that the concept of
having 100 sheep in today's

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world is the concept of having
really, really good credit.

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Right.
Right.

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That's your that's your line of
this guy has money, we can trust

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this guy.
But you go to 99, guess what,

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you don't have good credit.
That's your line, right?

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And so when he's talking about
that, a lot of people from a

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practical application really
understand.

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And I think a lot of times we
don't understand what those

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mean.
And so for me, everything that

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I'm doing is, is actually a
modern day version of a very

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complex and dynamic parable
because business people can take

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this stuff and use it to grow.
And then what ends up inevitably

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happening is the Lord gets to
work on them, right?

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Because I've given them a whole
Lego build.

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They think it's one thing, but
then all of a sudden something

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comes up in their life
relationship with their child,

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their wife, their this, whatever
the deal is, they're caught in a

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scenario where they need help
and they've never really

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seriously turned to God.
And the next thing you know, the

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Lord can take that circumstance
that I've created for them and

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the output of my of my
information and say, no, look,

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you're already doing it every
day.

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And then I end up having a
conversation.

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Sure.
And that's what happens.

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Real quick before, before we
jump in here, a couple of

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things.
I noticed you use the word Legos

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a lot.
Explain to everybody what you

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mean by that.
So everyone's clear on that

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because you use it a lot and I
like it.

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I just want everyone to know
what it is you're referring to

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exactly.
Sure, fair enough.

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So when I talk about Legos, I
use it because obviously if you

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can't teach it to the children,
right, then there's no way that

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you can write, create things
with them.

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So Legos are the base level in
our modern day concepts of

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creation.
I like to stay that way because

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they're tangible.
So when I say Legos, I'm talking

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about things like scriptures and
words of Christ.

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I'm talking about doctrines.
But each one of those things,

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the letters turn into words,
turn into paragraphs and

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sentences and conversations and
concepts and so on and so forth.

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And we just keep building and
building and building.

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So for me, when I talk about
Legos and people having Legos,

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if they've read the scriptures
enough, I can sit down and have

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a conversation with them and
they can go by pretty quick.

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Otherwise, I have to sit there
and pull each scripture out,

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read it, and then they don't
have enough mastery control over

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it to visually see those pieces
combining together.

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Because that's, that's part of
the concept of being able to

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understand how to piece this
stuff together and study it out

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in your mind is to, is to create
with the word and to attach

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things together that, that God
is saying.

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And, and there be a, there could
be a, a million things that he's

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saying with one particular
circumstance or one particular,

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what we call Lego build.
And right, you can just take all

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the Legos in a master Lego box
and go, hey, I want to make a

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truck, I want to make a boat, I
want to make this, I want to

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make it.
Doesn't matter.

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Now, in the end, it might look
like 18 different colors, but

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framework and structurally it's
dead solid, right?

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Because covering it, right, it's
not a big deal.

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But then you break it down and
then you build it again.

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So an entire master Lego box to
dump it on the ground is kind of

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for me, right?
There's matter unorganized know

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you therefore and organize it
into a world.

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And if you don't have the the
more Legos you have the more

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scriptures, the more doctrine,
the more understanding.

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And then with that, don't say
this is this right?

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It's not.
You go to the toy store and you

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go, here's the land speeder from
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Here's the the fire department.
Don't do that because then

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you're just putting those things
up.

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You're gluing them together.
You put them on the shelf and go

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look at my religion and you go,
yeah, but you don't understand

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that.
You're not building anything.

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You didn't build a thing.
You're not a creator, you're an

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assembler.
That's not the same thing.

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And so therefore you don't
understand how the framework of

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labels work and how the
framework of the gospel works.

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So that when people don't have
control over that and they

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haven't even come close to a
person appointed mastery, what

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ends up happening is they think
one thing means one thing and

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that's all it means.
And I look at that and go, so

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you think God is not that smart?
Right, that makes sense.

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And you're like, OK, well, have
fun.

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That's a good conversation.
We're going to go talk to some

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other people.
So that's why I, that's why I

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compliment Joshua's group in
their Hummel group, because they

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really do have a, a good enough
amount of Legos that you're

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going to have a conversation and
they're not running around

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going, no, it's this and this is
all it is, which is where what

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you get all the time because
everybody's trying to be right.

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And you go, yeah, you, you can
be right with that, but it also

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means 1000 different things in
its application, right?

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A guitar is a guitar and you can
play whatever type of music you

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want with it.
Yep.

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And that's part of the problem.
So anyway.

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Absolutely.
So real quick, were were you

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born and raised like everyone?
No one ends up on this podcast

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without a little bit of a
journey.

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Right, right, right.
Nobody ends up talking to the

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the the fundamentalist podcast
guy without having a little bit

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of something in the closet to
talk about.

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Sure.
Were you, were you raised Mormon

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in the LDS church?
I mean, kind of.

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What's your background?
No.

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So the background is always grew
up for some reason believing

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that there was a God.
And I wouldn't say religious,

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but religious in the sense that
God made sense to me.

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Ever since I was a little tiny
kid, my parents, I was raised

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quasi Catholic.
I guess if we were going to go

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to church, we were going to
Mass, right?

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And so I think I lost you for a
second, Dave, on your.

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I'm back here.
You're good.

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Making sure.
So I was raised, I guess, if I,

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if I could say anything, I was
raised Catholic and then my

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parents were always searching so
they'd take us to church after

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church, after church, after
church.

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And so I'd been in every kind of
church you could possibly

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imagine.
I've watched my mother speak in

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tongues.
I don't even know what that

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means.
Back then.

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I was a child, probably in the
second grade, and we're in a

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Pentecostal church and
everybody's hooping in the

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hollering and nickels and
quarters and Dimes are flying in

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the air.
And my brothers and I are going,

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dude, we're going to go pick
that stuff up because that's ice

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cream.
It's so weird.

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We're scrambling.
We're scrambling on the floor

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just grabbing all the coins we
can get.

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And then I remember when I was
probably about 8 years old, I

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was at a Baptist Church in
Portland, OR, and they did an

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altar call, right?
It's all the people are going up

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there.
And my mom's starting to cry and

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she goes up there.
And I don't mean this is in any

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way disparaging to my mother
because it, if it weren't for

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her, I wouldn't have ever
pursued any of this.

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And so I remember her going up
there and I'm like, she's

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getting saved.
I need to do that.

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That's important for me.
I'm 8.

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So I, I go up there and you
know, it's standard thing.

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There's all the stairs and then
there's the guy at the, at the

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top and I, I'm laying down, all
these people are crying and I,

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and I asked my mom and I go,
what do I need to do to be

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saved?
And she goes verbatim like I

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remember this like it was
yesterday.

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She said cry and say Jesus a
lot.

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And I thought that is A at 8
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I said that is the dumbest thing
I have ever heard in ever And I

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turned around and went and sat
down.

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Well bro, look, some of that
could just be Portland.

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Portland was Portland, you man.
Even back when it wasn't

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Portland.
Yeah, yeah.

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Portland.
Portland isn't exactly known as

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a a hub for logical thought and
expression thought.

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Spirituality and all kinds of
stuff like that.

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So, yeah.
So then we ended up getting the

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missionaries to come over
because my dad knew a state

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president as he worked for
Michelin.

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And then as I came back from
tennis camp, I was a

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high-ranking tennis players to
junior and I came back from

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Vegas from being there for for
the summer for a tennis camp.

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And I was there with guys like
Agassi, people like that back in

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the day.
And then it came back and all

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these these missionaries were
coming up and they were talking

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about this is my my own eye from
her own eye and and all this

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kind of goofy crap.
But as they taught the

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discussions, it was very obvious
to me that the concept of Joseph

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and the plates and the
translation, that was very

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obvious to me.
I'm not going to tell you that I

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felt some big, amazing thing.
It was just so obvious to me

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that I'm like, yeah, I got it.
I'm with it.

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OK, what do I do now?
Get back face done.

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I did that.
Served a mission in Houston at

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the age of 19, almost 20, and
had enormous experiences there

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and quite a significant amount
of success that was very

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distinguishing from other things
and other people in that format.

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And then that was it.
So that I kind of joined up my

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own free will and choice, my own
volition.

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My parents didn't force us to do
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They just said, what do you want
to do?

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And I went, I'm in and jumped in
with both feet and kind of ran

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it up the flagpole as high as it
would go.

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And and and then things started
to shift.

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How old were you when when when
you made that jump?

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14.
OK, all right, 13. 14.

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Gotcha, gotcha.
Parents.

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And then after that, were you
guys pretty active or did you

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fall away a little bit?
What what was kind of cause

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look.
Yeah, I think.

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I think we all know that in, in,
in the church, it's not a matter

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of getting converts, it's a
matter of keeping them.

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It's keeping them.
Yeah.

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It's retention.
It's no different than business,

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right.
It's it's it's your repetitive

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business, right?
It's not your, it's not you.

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I got them for one, you know,
for one, for one buy my parents

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were active in the sense that
they would go.

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So they were quote, goodly
parents, right?

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It in the in the layman's terms
of that.

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So they would go and they would
take us, but my brothers fell

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away.
They didn't care for it and but

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I was dead, dead in.
So I never had that format.

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And I don't say that with any
amount of, you know, here and

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there.
I just never did.

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I was in, I knew this was right.
I knew it was good.

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I served like a maniac.
I was the only guy for the

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longest time when I was 16 and
17 and 18, I think I was one of

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two priests that could that was
worthy enough to bless the

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sacrament of all the kids in my
in my steak.

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At that time, there were I think
32 of us about that age.

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There were two of us that served
missions and three of us that

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got married in the temple and
everybody else left, my brothers

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included.
They were excommunicated.

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And I don't, you know, back
then, you don't know what that

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really means.
You just feel like you guys are

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leaving the club, right?
It's like somebody who quit the

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football team.
It's kind of like that.

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You don't understand the,
whether it's significant or not

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significant, you don't
understand that maybe going that

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direction is good for them,
right?

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Because that's a path they need
to follow.

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You don't understand that stuff,
right?

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Nobody really explains that to
you.

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They kind of just tell you stay
in the boat and you go, yeah,

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you're right.
But then there's then there's

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Simon Peter walks out of the
boat.

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So anyway, in the end, that's
what that's what end up

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happening.
So I was, I was in and then I,

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I've kind of been that way ever
since.

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And then I've had my my shots
where I went, all right, this is

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a bunch of horse crap because
I'm not, I'm not a dumb person.

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And so when you start to
understand that and you start to

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see the dysfunction, you know,
then you start to go, OK, let's

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let's go figure out what's
really going on here.

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And, and so I'm not the guy that
gets mad and walks away from

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anything.
I'm the guy that goes, OK,

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obviously this started out good.
Let's go figure out what the

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crap's going on.
So.

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Let let me ask you this when
'cause it sounds like you're

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pretty faithful, right?
I mean, you're, you're all in.

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You serve a mission, you come
home here in the temple.

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Yeah.
You, you know, you've been

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sealed in the temple when when
you're going through that

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process, right?
Because, look, Mormonism is a

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little different than any other
religion, right?

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It's it's in itself kind of a
counterculture, right?

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And.
So when you start having doubts

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about the church, that can throw
a lot of things into chaos in a

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person's life, right?
Right.

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So as, as you start encountering
that, that hey, something's off

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the rails here a little bit.
Did that freak you out at first?

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I mean, how?
How did you approach that?

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No, I think.
I think for me, I had a little

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different situation in that I
never had doubts.

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So mine weren't doubts like
other people go either like they

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have a faith crisis.
I never had that.

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And part of the reason is
because I'm a disruptive

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innovator and a turn around
consultant in business.

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So when they call me this
thing's their, their company is

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a complete, utter disaster.
So my whole entire professional

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life and what I was known for,
right?

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Things that I lectured on, I
wrote books about, I built a a

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large agency and it was always
entrepreneurial.

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So I've never been an orthodox
guy to begin with, right?

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I don't believe in, I don't
believe in the general concept

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of college education.
I don't I don't believe in the

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way that people do things.
When people say, well, this is

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how we do it, my first initial
response is bull crap.

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I don't believe you.
When anybody says anything to me

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like that, I don't believe it
ever, ever.

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It doesn't matter what it is.
I go figure out what the

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mechanism is and what the
mechanics are and then I go do

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it myself and and then I prove
it.

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I'll go plant the seed, go grow
it.

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And if it grows what it's
supposed to, then I'm listening.

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Because in my world, in 2
worlds, in my business life and

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my Batman life, in my business
life, you can't just talk

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whatever the crap you think.
Because in inevitably at my

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level, people spend millions or
billions of dollars on it.

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And if you're wrong, the whole
world knows you're a fraud,

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right?
In my Batman life, when we're

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going and doing combat
operations and we're going and

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doing counter human trafficking
stuff and this is all live play

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for blood.
If you're not good, somebody

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dies, right?
So in the end, all of the, I

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think I'm smart and this is my
intellectual dissection.

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I don't care.
I want to see it.

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Right, because I want to see you
play for blood.

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And what I find in, in this kind
of kind of endeavour across the

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board is nobody's really playing
for blood.

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And I don't mean that as a slant
on anybody.

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I just mean I've always done
that.

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So for me, it's always results
orientation.

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If it creates the results, then
it works.

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I don't really care what my
opinion is.

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I'll gang initiate every single
stupid thing that comes my way.

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I'm, I'm more brutal on it than
anybody else.

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And because I, that's how I live
my life.

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So anytime I came across this
kind of stuff now, I'd get

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whacked for it.
People get all bent out of shape

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because they, they kind of want
to believe a certain thing.

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But that doesn't bother me
waiting in the, in the, in the

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black because I'm always living
in the void.

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So I don't care, you know?
I can kind of identify with with

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not having the traditional faith
crisis.

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I was kind of the same way,
right?

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I had, I'd converted to, to
Mormonism to the OES church when

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I was like 17, right?
And I, I was a guy who was out

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looking for answers, right?
I, I had a specific question in

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mind.
I needed answers.

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And Mormonism was the only thing
that, that that offered that.

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Yeah.
Absolutely and.

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So now I came to fundamentalism
kind of in a different way than

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most, right?
I kind of like start practicing

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stuff before I ever knew what I
was doing.

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But as, as I started to
encounter all the changes that

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had happened, right, these
things where it's like, OK, it

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might be off the rails.
It wasn't that scary to me.

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But I, I got to remember that I
was a guy who'd already tore up

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my foundation once, right?
And in the case of going from

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the LDSLDS church to
fundamentalism, well, I'm not

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even taking it really down to
foundation, right?

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I'm just, I'm just tearing it
down to studs and then putting

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the walls in the rooms where
they're supposed to go.

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So I, I can kind of identify
with that.

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But I was just curious about
your experience with that.

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Yeah.
Absolutely.

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Still all the difference in the
world it does.

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It does so the the the title of
your presentation was was the

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the Tongue of Angels.
Right lashon, malachim or

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halashon.
I just don't put the the hot in

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there for the the tongue 'cause
it's there's no reason for it to

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be there.
The tongue of angels.

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So, so I'm going to let you just
kind of dive into that and then

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as I have questions, I'll stop
you and we'll we'll elaborate on

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some of this.
Sound good?

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Yeah.
So one of the things that we

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were talking about last night,
it was funny because when we

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were talking, we talked for what
about an hour and 30 minutes,

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almost maybe a little shy of
that.

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And we, we were laughing, going,
oh, we already did a podcast.

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Should.
Have just reported.

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It just in the pre and it was
fantastic dialogue.

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And So what I try to explain to
people all the time is that I'm

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not here to try to convince
anybody of anything.

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I'm not here to gain followers.
I'm not here to do any of that

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stuff.
I have never cared about being

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at the top of the pile.
I just end up at the top of the

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pile because I'm the guy that
knows and with the results.

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So in business, it's the same
way.

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I don't care about the awards, I
don't care about the ceremonies,

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I don't care about the trophies,
and none of it matters to me.

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I care about the end result.
I care about the people.

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That's it.
That's always what I'm driving

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for.
And in the process of that, you

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get those awards and people want
to to kind of learn.

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But at the same time, the
objective is to say, no, here's

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the here's the mechanics of it,
here's the mechanism, and here

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are the measuring metrics.
Now let me show you how it

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00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,440
works.
Now go do it and then check back

451
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,960
with me and and I'll clarify
whatever I want because your

452
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,680
quote, use of the guitar, what
you want to build with the Legos

453
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,280
and what God wants you to build
with the Legos are different.

454
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,440
So what I'm trying to explain is
you need to understand what the

455
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,040
Legos are, and you need to
understand which ones are pure

456
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,120
and which ones aren't, right?
The rocky, the rock to build on

457
00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:15,840
and the sandy foundation, right?
So for the majority of

458
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,800
everything I talk about, it's
more of understanding the filter

459
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,200
of discernment between good and
bad, right and wrong, truth and

460
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,880
error, so on and so forth.
So having said that, when we

461
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:31,120
talk about this, the tongue of
angels, we were talking about

462
00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:33,480
the language, the purity of the
language, right?

463
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,080
That's one of the things that's
so important.

464
00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:38,280
And throughout all of the
Scriptures, there's this

465
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,200
constant weight on a pure
language, right?

466
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,320
All the way back from Adam all
the way through the whole,

467
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,920
entire, the Old Testament.
I'm, I'm trying to get out of my

468
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,400
Hebrew word brain because not
everybody, right?

469
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,040
If I say Tamak, people go, what
you understand what I'm saying.

470
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,840
Most people just go, what did
you just say?

471
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,920
So through the Old Testament,
the whole entire thing, and then

472
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,760
through the New Testament and
then through the Book of Mormon,

473
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,160
right, the Pearl of great price
doctrine Covenants, so on and so

474
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,480
forth.
So this throughout the Book of

475
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,960
Mormon, it's this constant push
on the language constantly

476
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,640
right.
And so when you read that can.

477
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,680
Can you just illustrate where
some of those are?

478
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,800
So let me give you an example.
So I'll pull this up and I'll

479
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,400
just, I'll just work off of my
phone if that's OK.

480
00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:28,760
So.
Let's let's go into if everybody

481
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,080
wants to follow along, let's go
into the Book of Mormon and, and

482
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:37,200
whatever app you use, I use a
lot of things, but I, when I'm

483
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,840
talking to people that are are
in the church still, I'm always

484
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,080
going to use the the tools that
they have and run the narrative

485
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,520
that they have.
And there's a reason for that.

486
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,760
It's because I want to show them
that no matter where you're

487
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,760
coming from, you end up in the
same place if you realize what

488
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:57,080
the filters are, right.
So when we talk about this, so

489
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,480
Maziah 1, he says verse 2 and it
came to pass that he had three

490
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:01,720
sons.
He called their names, blah,

491
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,960
blah, blah, blah, blah, right?
And he caused that they should

492
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,120
be taught in all the language of
his father's.

493
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,920
We need to also always realize
that that doesn't mean it never

494
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,880
means genetic fathers, right?
We already we should we know

495
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,280
that, right?
And so taught the language of

496
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,440
his Father's, that thereby they
might come become men of

497
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,280
understanding.
And that they might, that's been

498
00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:27,880
a wisdom understanding, and they
might know concerning the

499
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,720
prophecies which have been
spoken by the mouth of their

500
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,640
fathers, which were delivered
them by the hand of the Lord.

501
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,560
So automatically they're being
taught in the language of the

502
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:36,960
Father.
So they understand all these

503
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,240
things.
So automatically they're

504
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,680
supposed to be, right, prophets,
seers, revelators, translators,

505
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,520
they're supposed to understand
this stuff.

506
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,240
And then he also taught them
concerning the records which

507
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,280
were engraving on the plates of
brass, saying, my sons, I would

508
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,240
that you should remember that
were it not for these plates

509
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,920
which contain these records and
these commandments, we must have

510
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,400
suffered in ignorance even at
this present time, not knowing

511
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:03,440
the mysteries of God.
Back to first Nephi chapter one,

512
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,800
one through 3, right?
What does he say right in the

513
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,200
very beginning when he talks
about this, right?

514
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:17,120
Nephi sets this whole thing up
and he says first Nephi chapter

515
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:19,760
one verse one I Nephi having
born and goodly parents,

516
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,640
therefore is taught somewhat in
the learning of my father right,

517
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,920
somewhat.
And having seen many afflictions

518
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,760
in the course of my days,
nevertheless being highly

519
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,720
favored.
Yeah, having a great knowledge

520
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,760
of the goodness and the
mysteries of God.

521
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,080
Therefore I make a record
proceedings of my days.

522
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,400
Yeah, make it in the language of
my father consistent learning

523
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,800
the Jews and the language of the
Egyptians.

524
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,200
No need to talk about that at
the moment.

525
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,000
And he says and I know that the
record is I make is true and I

526
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:49,560
make it with my own hand, right,
that's attached to Moses and I

527
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,280
make it according to my
knowledge.

528
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,520
So what is his knowledge?
Well, it's in chapter.

529
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,080
It's in verse one, having a
great knowledge of the goodness

530
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,760
and the mysteries of God.
So what does Nephi know?

531
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,640
He knows the mysteries of God,
right?

532
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,760
He knows great knowledge.
And so in the end, if you look

533
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:11,240
at that and you go, OK, so let's
go back to right, let's go back

534
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:16,040
to where we were and say, all
right, well, here's Mosiah one.

535
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,400
What are they talking about?
They're talking about we could

536
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,080
read and understand of his
mysteries.

537
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,320
Well, that so here's the thing.
We're setting this whole entire

538
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,760
thing up to understand that if
otherwise we would have, we

539
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:35,800
would have dwindled in unbelief.
We would have been like under

540
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,240
our brother in the Lamanites,
right?

541
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,960
Because you look at the
Lamanites and everybody kind of

542
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,000
thinks they're gang banger
goofballs.

543
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,200
These guys were heavy Torah
observant.

544
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,280
They they were more like the
Pharisees and said they were

545
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,360
right, but not understanding the
mysteries.

546
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,200
Why?
Because what happens when

547
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,960
they're they're pounding on
Nephi?

548
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:57,920
He goes.
Would you ask God?

549
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,400
Right.
Right.

550
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,160
And he goes, they go, well, God
doesn't make those such things

551
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,480
known to us.
So meaning no revelation.

552
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,760
Right, but.
But the fact that people think

553
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,840
that they're idiots, oh, come
on.

554
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,800
These guys are.
These guys know their business,

555
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,160
right?
That's why they're so livid that

556
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,360
Nephi, the younger brother is
going to rule over him.

557
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,200
Oh, you mean like Joseph, right?
On and on and on, right?

558
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,560
So he says he goes and or even
do not believe them when they

559
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,720
are taught them because of the
traditions of their fathers,

560
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,520
which are not correct.
He's trying to explain that if

561
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,600
all you're doing is reading
this, if you look at Pardes

562
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,160
right, and you're looking at the
first 3, but you're not looking

563
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,800
at sod right in part as then you
don't understand revelation.

564
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,840
You'll get the base meaning,
you'll get the implied meaning,

565
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,760
you'll get the more parable
stretched, attached other

566
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,720
meanings, but you'll never get
the revelation because the it's

567
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,640
the Lego set.
I have a situation.

568
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,560
Here's the Lego box, Father
Master.

569
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,880
Here's what I built.
What do you think?

570
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,600
Yeah, that's good, man.
That'll work.

571
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,920
That's expedient or advantageous
to you.

572
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,360
OK.
But six months later, that same

573
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,760
scripture is going to apply
differently, but not because you

574
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,800
thought about it differently,
but because God is showing you

575
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,720
what to build with the Master
Lego set.

576
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,600
And this is the difference,
right?

577
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,320
It's not about our intellect.
And so people he's basically

578
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,080
saying if we wouldn't have
understood this language, we

579
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,880
would have not understood the
great knowledge and the

580
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,680
mysteries of God right.
And that doesn't mean that we

581
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,920
the mystery is just that Jesus
is coming right or he's the

582
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,640
savior of the Messiah.
It's so many other things in the

583
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,640
end, the mysteries or secrets
Amos 37 God do with nothing

584
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,360
except you really do a secret to
to his servants, the prophets,

585
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,240
and we think all that means
those guys.

586
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,160
No, it doesn't why?
Because secrets means mystery.

587
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,800
Same word.
So who can know the mysteries?

588
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:09,600
Alma 12, anybody, if you, if
you'll pay the price, right?

589
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,000
So he says, and now my son's I
would that you should remember

590
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,440
to teach them diligently that
you may profit thereby keep the

591
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,120
commandments on and on and on
and many more things.

592
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,840
Did King Benjamin teach right?
And so you go through that and

593
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,640
then you go, OK, let's go, let's
go to Book Mormon again.

594
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:30,360
Let's go to Alma 37.
And now all of a sudden, right,

595
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,280
he says.
And now verse 2, I now I command

596
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,720
you that you keep a record of
these people according as I have

597
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,120
done upon the place of Nephi,
and keep all these things

598
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,400
sacred, which I have kept even
as I have kept them, for it is a

599
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,400
wise purpose They're kept.
How did they keep them?

600
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,320
They kept them pure.
They wrote by their own hand

601
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,520
according to their knowledge,
which is the same as Nephi's

602
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,160
knowledge, which is great
knowledge, which is what?

603
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,760
Mysteries of the Kingdom of God,
right?

604
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,080
And these plates of brass which
contain these engravings which

605
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,920
have the records of the holy
scriptures and the genealogy of

606
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,320
our forefathers even from the
beginning.

607
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,680
Now, here's the thing that
starts to get muddy, right?

608
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,080
People misunderstand, they think
genealogy like Mormon genealogy.

609
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,800
But here's the thing.
And I want to ask people and

610
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,840
we'll, we'll, we'll read another
scripture that filters all this

611
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,000
out and it'll make even more
sense.

612
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,760
Here's the thing that happens
when Nephi got, when Nephi got

613
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,240
the brass plates and Lehigh
starts to read through them and

614
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:32,680
he sees the genealogy, right?
And he's he's excited.

615
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,080
Oh, look at that.
It's Uncle.

616
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,680
It's Uncle Bob.
Wow.

617
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,400
We're related to Bob.
What does he care?

618
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,560
He doesn't care about the
genetic genealogy.

619
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,520
What genealogy is he most likely
excited about?

620
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:52,880
He's excited about what would be
the King's list, the knock list

621
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,880
of all of the Sons of Light and
their names.

622
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,960
Why?
Because in Jacob 2 and Jacob

623
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,160
one, what does he talk about?
Nephi was a great king.

624
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,600
So every king thereafter called
themselves after his name,

625
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,520
Nephi, regardless of what their
actual name was, right?

626
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:14,080
That's an Egyptian thing, after
the order of the kings, he says.

627
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,440
So we have to remember that.
So he here, here it is that

628
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,360
there's a genealogy of that.
So he says, and now he goes,

629
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,960
that they should be kept and
handed down from one generation

630
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,240
to another, and be kept and
preserved by the hand of the

631
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,120
Lord until they should go forth
unto every nation, kindred

632
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,960
tongue and people, that they
shall know of the mysteries

633
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,400
contained thereof.
There.

634
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,480
Behold, if they are kept, they
must retain their brightness.

635
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,840
They will retain their
brightness, Yeah, and also all

636
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,920
the plates which do contain that
which is holy writ, lashon

637
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:52,600
kodesh, lashon malachim.
And so anyway, he goes through

638
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,280
that process and he talks about
that and he goes on and on and

639
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,040
on.
And then you go into Moses.

640
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,240
Sorry to keep reading all these
things, hence the Legos.

641
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,200
Oh, you're good.
So if we go into Moses 6, here's

642
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,400
what starts to get more
interesting.

643
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,960
And God revealed himself, Moses
6 verse 3 unto Seth, and he

644
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,880
rebelled, not offered acceptable
sacrifice like unto his brother

645
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,239
Abel.
And which is what sacrifice was

646
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,960
the sacrifice that Abel met,
that he did, that was acceptable

647
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,199
to God?
Was it the goat that he

648
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:30,280
sacrificed, or was it the fact
that Abel himself was a

649
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,159
sacrifice, a Christ type?
Symbolically, what's the

650
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:38,719
acceptable sacrifice?
Not saying that it's true or not

651
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,000
saying that's not a
conversation.

652
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,639
And every time we talk about
this stuff, when it comes down

653
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:48,120
to this, the Lord makes it very
clear that at the highest level,

654
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:51,360
you were going to go through the
exact same things I go through.

655
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:53,639
Doesn't mean you're always going
to die.

656
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,960
It just means.
So, so your your contention is,

657
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:03,800
is that the sacrifice that Abel
makes is his life, not the not

658
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,920
the goat.
Is that am I following you?

659
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:07,880
Yeah.
But here's the thing I'm saying

660
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,040
now Now.
Hold on.

661
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,520
Here's where I'm sure.
Let me push back on that a

662
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:16,600
little bit, of course, because
it nothing here sounds like in

663
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,400
this account or the Genesis
account sounds like Abel's, like

664
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,120
there was a willing sacrifice on
Abel's part, right?

665
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,560
He was, his life was taken, not
given.

666
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,400
Absolutely.
OK, So how how could that be a

667
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,680
sacrifice on Abel's part then?
So.

668
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,960
Here's what'll happen.
We'll, as soon as I'm done with

669
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,920
this, we'll go into DNC 29 and
then you'll see kind of what I'm

670
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,240
saying, OK, because we have to
remember a the learning of the

671
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:46,280
Jews.
We have to remember all the

672
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,080
literary styles of what this is
written in.

673
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,560
And then we have to remember who
wrote all of that stuff, right?

674
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,800
So he says, and then began these
men to call upon the name of the

675
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,320
Lord, and Lord bless them, and a
book of remembrance was kept in

676
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,680
which was recorded in the
language of Adam, for it was

677
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,520
given unto many is called upon
God to write by the spirit of

678
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,560
inspiration.
That's also in the Doctrine

679
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,680
Covenants, right?
So when they're writing by their

680
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,000
hand, according to their own
knowledge, great knowledge,

681
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,920
mysteries of the Kingdom, Lashon
Malachim, Lashon Kadesh, the

682
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,080
Holy Tongue, Holy Writ, on and
on and on, They are writing in a

683
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:25,320
format that requires revelation
direct from God to understand

684
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,120
meaning.
The whole.

685
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,040
Entire Book of Mormon is a
legitimate just an entire

686
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,480
parable.
You have to read it in that

687
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:38,560
format right and he says in the
language of Adam, right and

688
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,520
verse 6 by them their children
were taught to read and write.

689
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,040
So how are they taught to read
and write by Lashon Malahim.

690
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,280
They were taught the tongue of
angels.

691
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,760
Nephi does the same exact thing
to his children, right?

692
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,320
He doesn't teach them after the
learning of the manner of the

693
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,440
Jews, right?
He teaches them in plain, but it

694
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,360
doesn't mean it's plain.
It's it's the kind of plain that

695
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,360
we're talking about.
He unpacks the concept of all of

696
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,480
the mysteries of the Kingdom and
he tells them what they mean.

697
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,440
Same thing when God, when the
disciples asked Jesus Master,

698
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,720
why do you teach in parables?
And what does the Savior say?

699
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,560
Because unto you it is given to
know the mysteries of the

700
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,280
Kingdom of God.
Unto them it is not.

701
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,880
OK, so let let me ask this and
again, forgive me 'cause I'm so

702
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,040
yeah this whole thing.
Is gang initiation.

703
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,640
I wonder what is that?
Beat it up back.

704
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,400
In back in Nephi, First Nephi,
he tells you that the language

705
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,240
he learns is the from the Jews
and the the Egyptians.

706
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:41,240
Right, right.
OK, so he's writing.

707
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:44,560
It that he's writing then that
and then he's saying I'm going

708
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,360
to write it in this language and
then he says what and then I

709
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,880
make this with my own hand and I
make it according to my

710
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,280
knowledge OK, So what it see see
when we say so you're.

711
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,160
Talking.
You're talking more about the

712
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,200
content of what he's writing and
not so much the language.

713
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,840
It's not the language.
So because the language, be it

714
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,560
let's say Hebrew or biblical or
Paleo cyanic, right, proto

715
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,920
cyanic, Canaanite doesn't make
any difference in the end, it'll

716
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,960
all end up the same.
So the point is, is when you

717
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,480
understand that, then you can
start unpacking it and then you

718
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,200
can start transliterating it.
And then you can have a seed

719
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,880
that you can plant and ask God.
But if you're asking God for,

720
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,160
like if you're saying, here's my
Lego build and you've used

721
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,200
English, you don't even know
what you're reading because the

722
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,360
words don't mean that.
And so when we go back to Moses,

723
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,440
he says the book of remembrance
called upon God to write by the

724
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,880
spirit of inspiration and by
them their children were taught

725
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,000
to read and write, having a
language which was pure and

726
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,440
undefiled.
Right now this same priesthood

727
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,960
which was in the beginning shall
be in the end of the world also.

728
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,440
OK, well, what does that mean?
What priesthood?

729
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:00,760
Gotcha.
You see where I'm going?

730
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,560
Yep.
Now this same priesthood which

731
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,160
was in the beginning, now Word
link it.

732
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,000
What's in the beginning?
Genesis one in the beginning.

733
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,680
Got you.
Now what happens?

734
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:21,880
Where is That?
Also found John 1 in the

735
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,800
beginning, right?
Gotcha.

736
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,480
Word was God.
God was the Word.

737
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:27,960
Nothing.
But you see what I'm trying to

738
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:28,640
say?
I see.

739
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,600
I see where you're going.
Yep.

740
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,280
So.
The thing is, is what I'm

741
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,560
telling.
So what happens with people will

742
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,080
still go.
That's horse guy, right?

743
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,200
Right, Right, right, right,
right.

744
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:41,680
OK, the thing that happens is
for me, like I said, I'm not

745
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,920
here to say this is this.
There's you have to, you have to

746
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,280
understand and run the fruit.
You have to plant the seed, do

747
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,840
the deal, grow the tree and the
seat.

748
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,800
You have to conduct first the
test and which we'll, you know,

749
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,800
talk about after a little bit
when I, you know, we'll talk

750
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,160
about a little postcard and
stuff like that that I produce

751
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,440
when I hand out in lecture, I
say, OK, here's all the metrics

752
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,120
for Alma 32.
And if you don't, you don't

753
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,040
check off.
All those boxes, then you the

754
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,200
seeds not good.
So don't don't just go on your

755
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,000
feelings.
So when you look at that.

756
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,000
And he says now this same
priesthood which was in the

757
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,400
beginning shall be in the end of
the world also.

758
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,480
Why?
Because the purity of the

759
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,560
language will come back by one
who has great power and

760
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,720
authority, right?
You know that.

761
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:25,640
So now this prophecy out of
spoke.

762
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,080
So when you go through that
stuff, you start to realize very

763
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:35,600
quickly that when we understand
what all this comes together,

764
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,560
then we go, OK, let's, let's
just take a good look at this

765
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,840
and see what this all actually
really means.

766
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,960
Because when I talk about what I
tell people all the times, I

767
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,040
like to play both sides of the,
of the, of the table, right?

768
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,720
And the reason why I do that is
because I want to run

769
00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:59,960
everybody's narrative.
So there's people that go, oh,

770
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,360
the the Bible is not pure.
It's not an actual literal

771
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,960
history.
OK, that's fine.

772
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,720
I'll play with that.
So what is it?

773
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,560
Well, then then poof, gone,
right.

774
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,640
And the other people go, it's
pure history.

775
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,280
Yeah.
And that's why everybody died

776
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,440
from it, right.
And then that's why you can't

777
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,320
reconcile all the stuff that
people do in the name of Jesus,

778
00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:25,000
right?
Or in the name of God.

779
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,600
And, and all things considered,
then God is the greatest mass

780
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,840
murderer alive that you're
right, that's and, and because

781
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,160
he can do that by himself, we
don't understand what it means

782
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,440
with literary devices and the
learning of the Jews, right?

783
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,000
So when we come down to it, I go
to doctor incumbent is 29.

784
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,840
So these are all just like quick
little filters.

785
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:49,760
So doctor incumbent is 29 back
to 34, right?

786
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,680
So here's what happens.
The Lord says, because he's

787
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,760
already talked about first
spiritually, second, this, and

788
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,040
then in the end this, and then
it right goes through all of

789
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,200
that.
But he says in 34 Wherefore

790
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,640
verily I say unto you that all
things unto me are spiritual,

791
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,640
and not at any time have I given
unto you a law, Torah,

792
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,840
instruction, teaching, word, the
Bob commandment, on and on and

793
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:16,240
on which was temporal, neither
any man, nor the children of

794
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:20,040
men, neither Adam your father,
whom I created.

795
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:26,280
Verse 35 Behold, I gave unto him
that he should be an agent unto

796
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,520
himself.
You get to choose to discern

797
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,520
what it means.
I mean, it's the first thing

798
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,280
they talk about in the temple.
I mean, it's the very first

799
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:35,480
thing we're going to send you
here.

800
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,160
So you can learn to discern
between good and evil, right and

801
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,600
wrong through the air, right?
And I, that's why they allow

802
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,280
Satan to come down here.
And I gave unto him commandment,

803
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,520
but no temporal commandment gave
I unto him.

804
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,480
For my commandments are
spiritual.

805
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,920
They are not natural nor
temporal, neither carnal nor

806
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,920
sensual.
OK, so let's play with the Legos

807
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,480
right?
This is my whole point behind

808
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,600
the Lego build.
When when Oliver is told you,

809
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,080
you didn't continue as you
started, you got to go back and

810
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,640
start studying it out in your
mind.

811
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,600
Then once you figure out you're
right, take it to me and I'll

812
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,480
cause your bosom to burn.
That's a, that's a whole nother

813
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,200
discussion, right 'cause your
bosom to burn if it's right.

814
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,720
If not, you'll have a stupor
thought.

815
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,080
But you kind of blew it already.
So Joseph's already good.

816
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,640
So we're going to flip this
thing back around.

817
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,440
And I tell people all the time,
OK, well then if we run the

818
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:36,440
narrative of God dictated to
Joseph word to word and then

819
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:41,240
Oliver took over, then why is
Oliver having to study anything

820
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:45,720
out, right?
That wouldn't even make any

821
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:48,640
sense, right?
And he has, and by the way, he

822
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,800
has the gift.
So having said that will play

823
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:56,680
the narrative when God is saying
I've never given a law that is

824
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,080
temporal, neither any man nor
the children, and neither Adam

825
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,440
your father or created.
Behold, I gave him to him that

826
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,600
he should be an agent himself.
You can choose what you think it

827
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,280
needs, right?
You're going to learn from your

828
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,440
own experience, right?
And I gave him commandment, but

829
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,000
no temporal commandment gave I
unto him.

830
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,160
My commandments are spiritual.
They are not natural nor

831
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,680
temporal, neither carnal nor
sensual.

832
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,640
Why add the word sensual?
So here's the thing you have to

833
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,080
ask yourself.
I'm not saying.

834
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,920
What I'm telling people is just
go study that in your own mind

835
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:30,800
and then go plant it and see if
it bears fruit.

836
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,320
If it does, great, if it
doesn't, great.

837
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,440
But if your confirmation bias
leads you to where you can't

838
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,920
think, well then you're you're
doomed anyway, right?

839
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:44,480
So The thing is, is then what
does it mean when God commanded

840
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,680
Adam to multiply and punish the
earth if he gave him no

841
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:53,160
commandment that was natural,
temporal, carnal or sensual?

842
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,080
Well.
I, I think there's that that's a

843
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:03,280
question that can be unpacked a
lot because I look, one of the

844
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,720
things I love about, about the
restoration is that for the

845
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:11,720
first time in Christendom, the
flesh doesn't have to be an

846
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:13,400
enemy to God, right?
Absolutely.

847
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,720
Agree.
We know that that your, your

848
00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:20,720
humanity can be holy in all its
in all in, in all aspects,

849
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,080
right.
And so in, in that, with that in

850
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:32,480
mind, bearing children, I don't
think is having children or the

851
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,560
act of reproducing, I don't
think in and of itself is a

852
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,000
fallen thing.
I think that's a very holy and

853
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,600
it's a holy thing and sacred
thing, right.

854
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,680
Agreed.
I could, I could look at that

855
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,000
and say, yeah, it wasn't a a a
sensual commandment.

856
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:50,360
And and that's all I'm saying,
right?

857
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,800
The thing is, is to look at it
when we when we take every

858
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:58,000
single thing that's been
commanded or talked about, and

859
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,960
then we think that's all
physical and that's what it

860
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:06,520
means, then we start to get in
trouble because we we don't

861
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,560
understand the concept of the
learning of the Jews.

862
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,560
We don't understand the literary
devices.

863
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,040
We don't realize that the first
five books of Moses are called

864
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,520
the first five books of Moses
because they were written by

865
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,920
Moses.
Oh, interesting.

866
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:26,400
By the exact same way that Nephi
is writing this record.

867
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,920
It's kind of interesting to know
that Nephi goes and gets the

868
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,960
place of brass, which have the
first five books of Moses right

869
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:40,840
before he really starts to,
what, make a record, right?

870
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:52,240
Yeah.
That's what scribes do, right?

871
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,160
There's an understanding.
And he was.

872
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,960
He was somewhat learned.
So now with the plates of brass,

873
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,160
what happens?
He has the ability to really

874
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,440
understand Lashon Malahim.
He understands how Moses wrote.

875
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,320
He understands the whole entire
thing.

876
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,120
He gets it.
Oh, I understand Moses.

877
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:16,240
Is he writing a literal history?
Maybe, maybe not.

878
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,560
Does it matter?
That's the lesson.

879
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:22,720
Well, now, now let let me push
back on that a little bit.

880
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,440
I shouldn't say push back, but
but maybe agree with you a

881
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:26,080
little bit.
No, no.

882
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,160
You're fine.
Absolutely.

883
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,600
I I don't.
I don't think especially the

884
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,400
Genesis account, especially the
account of creation is literal,

885
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,640
right, Right.
I did you ask why is that what I

886
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:39,520
heard?
No, no, no.

887
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,120
I said you're right.
Yeah, I, I.

888
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,400
I think we learned that in the
temple, right, and especially

889
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,400
the old school endowment Brigham
well.

890
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,000
The old, old school, yes.
Not new, no, it's it's, it's

891
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,520
literal, right?
Right.

892
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,120
It has been for a long time.
You you get into the lecture at

893
00:47:55,120 --> 00:48:00,360
the veil and without revealing
too much sure you're you're let

894
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:06,160
you're you are taught that that
that it was an allegory what

895
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,600
Moses gave in in the Genesis.
Account, yeah, and I agree.

896
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,200
And so when you understand, and
this is what I'm saying, I'm not

897
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:18,320
purporting this, I'm explaining
things that come out when you

898
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,600
unpack the accounts in the
Scriptures, the way that I talk

899
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,160
about it, it becomes very
obvious, right?

900
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,600
So what happens when we take all
of this stuff so literal, then

901
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:30,520
A, we don't understand the
learning of the Jews.

902
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,280
And so when people can't
literally break down all the

903
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,520
literary devices that are used,
then you can't understand the

904
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:39,640
Scriptures.
You can't.

905
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,920
It, it's like saying I I'm going
to build this whole entire house

906
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,800
and all I have is a a Phillips
screwdriver.

907
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,120
Well, no, you can't.
Yeah, but I could hammer things

908
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:48,840
that.
No, you can't.

909
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,400
Yes, the Crescent wrench is
heavy in its metal, but you

910
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,600
can't build a house with it.
You can't frame walls with it.

911
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:57,600
Right.
And this is the thing I find

912
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,440
that happens is we we are doing
exactly what the children of

913
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,080
Israel did, which is, yeah, we
don't want to go straight to

914
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:05,480
God.
We don't like that.

915
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,240
That is not good.
That's too much.

916
00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:09,600
We want the certainty of being
told what to do.

917
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:13,280
And then a lot of times what
happens in churches in in, in,

918
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:14,880
in the temple, we talk about
this.

919
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,800
It's right there.
Adam gets kicked out, right?

920
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,880
He's for lack of better
terminology, right?

921
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,600
He's removed from the garden.
He builds an altar and then he's

922
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,800
praying because he wants the
further light knowledge.

923
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,760
And what ends up happening,
Satan comes up to him now in

924
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,760
that form, not Lucifer.
It took play the narrative and

925
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,520
he says, oh, what do you want?
He's like, I'm waiting for this

926
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,320
further light knowledge.
And he goes, oh, you want

927
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:40,240
religion, you want someone to
preach to you.

928
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,320
And he's like, no, that's not I
want I want further light

929
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,600
knowledge from God.
I don't want religion.

930
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,960
I don't want to be preached to,
which is the exact same what

931
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,840
format of Moses and God and the
children of Israel.

932
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:02,480
So the same thing.
And then they blow it because Ed

933
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,720
of Roth, right.
All those strangers that come

934
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:09,160
and convince everybody to to
make the golden calf and what

935
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:13,840
happens is now they've shown
that they can't go and don't

936
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,440
want to go straight to God.
So Moses becomes the sacrifice

937
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,800
for them, gives up his ability
to go into the promised land and

938
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,280
says these are my people, I love
them.

939
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,760
So he takes the hit for it and
then he goes up and instead of

940
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,120
God making tablets or take
technically tables right with

941
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,920
his hand and inscribing them
with his finger, Moses is told

942
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,400
to make the tables, bring them
up and Moses inscribes

943
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,120
everything and then comes back
down written by his hand.

944
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,520
And it's the same thing with
Nephi when he keeps telling them

945
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,720
you shouldn't have a king.
You don't need a king.

946
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:48,640
But if you could, it'd be great
if you could have these guys and

947
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,120
look at the guys that didn't
want to be king.

948
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,800
So all I'm saying is when we
look at what's going on and we

949
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,800
look into the temple, it's not
the the all of the stuff that's

950
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,080
going on, whether or not in the
Old Testament, even in the Book

951
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,160
of Mormon, whether it's literal
history or not is not what's

952
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,000
important because that's not the
lesson, right?

953
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,600
And so I don't care about
evidences.

954
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,600
I don't care about any of that
because what does it matter?

955
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,600
It doesn't do anything for me,
right?

956
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,880
I don't care.
I want the mysteries, I want the

957
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,120
tactics, I want the mechanics.
I want to understand how things

958
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:25,080
are built, how things are done
it the the history of it doesn't

959
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,120
make any difference to me.
So in that format when we're but

960
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,600
you wouldn't.
You wouldn't want to peg to

961
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,560
something that was untrue
though, right?

962
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,240
I mean, what's that?
You wouldn't.

963
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:35,800
Want to peg to something that
wasn't untrue, right?

964
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,040
No.
A. 100% not, no, I agree with

965
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,680
you.
I'm saying, I'm saying that what

966
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,960
happens is, is people will start
taking the concepts and go, this

967
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:50,840
is what it means.
And you go, yes, but on and on

968
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,920
and on and on.
Like we talked about the parable

969
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,280
of the sheep, which of you,
having 100 sheep, having lost

970
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,240
one, wouldn't go after it?
Right, right.

971
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,800
What does that mean?
Does it mean your credit's going

972
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,520
to be wrecked?
You're not going to be able to

973
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,840
continue your farm, your status
of wealth will go down?

974
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:12,400
Yes, 100% correct.
That's the lesson, Yes, at that

975
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,040
very, very low level.
Is that what that means?

976
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:23,160
No, not even close, Right.
And so then you say, well, what

977
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,600
does it mean to go chase the 10?
It means to go and help people

978
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,320
and do other yeah, you're right,
but what does it really mean?

979
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,960
And then you keep going through
that now.

980
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,840
See, and this is what's
interesting, right?

981
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,000
And and look, I want to say that
the scriptures aren't the only

982
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,040
literature in Mormonism that are
multi layered, right?

983
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:47,080
Oh, absolutely.
I believe the temple liturgy is

984
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,360
is Scripture, right?
100% that.

985
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,000
And, and look, I can bear
testimony of this, right?

986
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:54,560
Yeah.
Absolutely you go.

987
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,040
Through the temple your first
time you're just drinking from a

988
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,800
fire hose, right you're just
you're just turning that bad boy

989
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,000
on you're.
On fire trying to trying to

990
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:04,640
handle it?
Absolutely, man.

991
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:09,600
But as you go throughout life as
as your, as you change

992
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,640
throughout your life, the
temple's going to mean something

993
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,200
different to you, just like the
scriptures do, right?

994
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:20,520
These are layered things.
These aren't things that that

995
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,720
that only have one explanation.
Well, and.

996
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:27,800
Think about Alma 12.
Yeah, and think about what

997
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,560
you're saying.
Look at Alma 12 when he talks

998
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,600
about many are given to know the
mysteries of the Kingdom.

999
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,600
First of all, you got to know
what many means and when you

1000
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,200
understand what many means and
you realize it's attached to

1001
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,480
Abraham 3 where he says what I
looked upon, right?

1002
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,720
And there were many of the great
and noble ones.

1003
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,880
The word many is attached to the
great noble ones of the kings

1004
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,880
and Queens.
And when you understand that,

1005
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,040
then you realize it's given unto
many to know.

1006
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,720
See, when we're just reading
that from English, we're like

1007
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,680
lots of guys could know it,
right?

1008
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,840
No, no, master, Why do you teach
them parables?

1009
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,800
Because it's given unto you to
know the mysteries of the

1010
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,680
Kingdom of God, and unto them it
is not right.

1011
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,800
So this makes people mad.
Oh, you're saying it's a

1012
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,440
exclusive club?
Yeah, not my club.

1013
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,160
It's his club.
And Alma 12.

1014
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:30,560
But they are laid under a strict
command to only reveal and share

1015
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,960
a portion of that word that
others based on the diligence

1016
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,960
and heed which they give it.
So the number of people that I

1017
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,600
get to talk to is basically
almost 0.

1018
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,680
Gotcha because they.
Won't do the test.

1019
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,800
They won't test it past my bosom
began to swell.

1020
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,640
It's.
True, yeah, but.

1021
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,320
You forgot it will be began to
enlarge my soul.

1022
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:55,680
It begins to enlighten my
understanding.

1023
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:00,080
Begin it to be delicious and
let's see, you're going to say

1024
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,320
these types of things and it's
going to bring forth unto its

1025
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:07,240
own likeness and then it's going
to expand your understanding.

1026
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,880
You're going to be enlightened.
Your mind will expand and right,

1027
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,640
check, check, check, check,
check, check, check, check.

1028
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,800
Roots and shoots of a seed when
it grows.

1029
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,400
And if you can't sit down and
draw a seed out and then start

1030
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:25,720
running roots and going this,
this, this, this, this, this,

1031
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,480
this, and it's.
You haven't conducted the full

1032
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:33,000
experiment to know if the seed
is good, and this is how the

1033
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,160
adversary grabs people.
Absolutely.

1034
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,800
And, and look, this is one of
those things that I think is

1035
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:43,040
super important to hit on here
too, right, is that sometimes I

1036
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:47,560
think in Mormonism, we, we sell
ourselves short, right?

1037
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,760
Oh yeah, I agree.
Living below your privilege,

1038
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:51,720
Absolutely.
Look.

1039
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:56,000
One of those things I've often
said it's like going to a really

1040
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:02,040
good restaurant that has
tremendous steak, but you think

1041
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,560
you can you know, the, that,
that it tops out at the salad

1042
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,000
bar, right?
Yeah, You're, you're, you're

1043
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,720
missing out on, on what's really
the good stuff.

1044
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,200
I think what?
Did you say the other day we

1045
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:14,480
were talking about the Bellagio
buffet?

1046
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:15,880
You may, I think you made a
comment.

1047
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,280
I think it was you that said and
yeah.

1048
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,360
And the kids just want to eat
macaroni cheese and tater tots.

1049
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:21,520
Was that you or is that a that
OK.

1050
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,520
That was a buddy of mine.
And when he said that, I went,

1051
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,200
that's exactly what it's like.
Yeah.

1052
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,800
You got the whole Balaji.
You got the greatest food in any

1053
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,320
place.
And your and the kids are like

1054
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,200
macaroni and cheese and tater
tots and hot dogs.

1055
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,280
You're like, we just paid $30.00
for this.

1056
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,840
You have food from every nation
and the and the best chefs and

1057
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,480
all you want is macaroni and
cheese.

1058
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,080
Anyway, to your point, yeah, I
agree.

1059
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,560
We're living under our as one of
the conferences, one of the

1060
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,040
brethren that said we're living
under our privilege.

1061
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,240
And I agree with that, but for
me, it's to teach the mechanic.

1062
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,280
I'm going to show you how to
build it.

1063
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:01,080
Now you go, you go do and build
whatever God wants you to build,

1064
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:02,880
because every bit of that's
going to be different.

1065
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:07,240
And so when I talk about that
stuff, you have to look at the

1066
00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:12,120
filter and go, OK, now if we put
a filter over everything, DNC

1067
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:17,400
293435, how does that change
everything?

1068
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,280
Because that is another version
of the learning of the Jews,

1069
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,600
right?
These things are all prophecy.

1070
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,560
These things are all revelation.
These things are all right.

1071
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:31,000
You have to look beyond that and
understand what the seed is.

1072
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,920
And then when you plant it, all
of those things that we read

1073
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,240
about that are so amazing and
miraculous, they actually all

1074
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,560
come true, right?
But like you said, we're living

1075
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:46,240
under the under our ability to
unpack because we want somebody

1076
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,880
to tell us what it is.
And the reality is it is scary

1077
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,640
to walk out in the void.
Nobody wants to do that.

1078
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,400
We have jobs and and things like
that and nobody wants to go,

1079
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,560
hey, Matthew 19, that guy was
the prototype for anybody who

1080
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,120
could be the most righteous that
there was.

1081
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,880
And the Lord said, go sell all
you have and give to the poor

1082
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,320
and then come follow me because
that's all you lack.

1083
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,600
And then the young man went away
sorrowful.

1084
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,720
Right.
Because he had much and then

1085
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,640
everybody, everybody goes, yeah.
See.

1086
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's faithless.

1087
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,480
And I'm like.
Dude, you're not even as good as

1088
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,280
he is before he asked the
question.

1089
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:21,600
Right.
Yeah, get off, man.

1090
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,480
It's the whole mentality of, of,
yeah, see Peter, he was a

1091
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:29,800
faithless turd and, and
disobeyed and turned the Lord in

1092
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,040
and I was like, this is
literally not what that means.

1093
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:37,480
You got to see, you got one of
the things that happens having

1094
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,120
when, when you, when you write
songs and you're on writing

1095
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,280
teams and when you write
marketing, advertising and

1096
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:48,080
you're doing things and you,
it's easy to say, here's an ad

1097
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,520
and I've got 5 minutes worth the
script to explain my story with

1098
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,240
massive impact.
And then the guy goes, I need

1099
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,840
you to do it in 30 seconds.
I need 3 seconds buffer in the

1100
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,240
front and three seconds buffer
at the end for the music.

1101
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,920
You go, wait a minute.
That's, that's 23 seconds to

1102
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:09,760
tell people this message.
Yeah, yeah, go.

1103
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,800
That's the problem.
People don't know how to edit

1104
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:16,560
and stay and have impact.
They can't take 5 pages and

1105
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,280
reduce it to 1/2 a page and keep
the impact.

1106
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,920
The people that can do that are
actual wordsmiths, right?

1107
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:28,600
And so when you understand when
Moroni and Mormon 9 is going, if

1108
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,760
we would have had sufficient
room, we would have written in

1109
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,000
what Hebrew?
Flat out.

1110
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,200
Hebrew block Hebrew, but we
don't.

1111
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,800
So we've made some adjustments.
And then comes the argument of

1112
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:42,480
reformed Egyptian.
Right.

1113
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,760
People don't know what that
actually means.

1114
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,320
They guess at it.
But then you go, OK, the that's

1115
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,800
fine.
But you're you're

1116
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,120
misunderstanding certain things.
And one of them is nobody knows

1117
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:53,880
our language.
Yeah.

1118
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,120
Why?
Because what is their language?

1119
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,000
Nachon Malachim.
It's the tongue of angels.

1120
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,320
It's right there in Second Nephi
32.

1121
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:04,720
Second Nephi 31, Right?
It's all sitting right there.

1122
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:08,800
And that's that's the point
right behind all of this stuff.

1123
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:13,440
Is that in 31 when it, when he
tells you, when you've gotten,

1124
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,440
you've entered into the door,
you've entered into the gate,

1125
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,280
right?
You've done all these things,

1126
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,920
baptism by water and then cometh
the remission of your sins by

1127
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:25,440
fire and the Holy Ghost.
So does the baptism remove your

1128
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,560
sins?
That's the baptism of fire.

1129
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:33,720
That's a big, you know, issue,
right, that we don't understand,

1130
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:35,920
because if we'd understood it,
then we'd go, OK, then.

1131
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,880
Then why?
When the Savior came in 3511, He

1132
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,800
shows up.
If we play the historical

1133
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,800
narrative, everybody's dead,
right?

1134
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,400
Except for 2500 people at the
Bountiful Temple, right?

1135
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:55,400
So the Lord shows up.
Hey, everybody, it's me, right?

1136
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,840
Samuel was right.
Applaud to you.

1137
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,680
You made it.
And then what's the first thing

1138
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,080
he does?
He gives them the authority and

1139
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,160
the power to baptize, and he
baptizes everybody.

1140
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:11,640
So how were these people so
righteous that they could be

1141
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:17,400
there physically to see the
coming of Jesus Christ and they

1142
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,960
hadn't been baptized?
Interesting.

1143
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:23,560
You mean people I've asked that
question?

1144
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,040
Boom.
Why?

1145
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:30,280
Because the baptism of John and
the baptism by which Jesus is

1146
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,680
baptized, not the same baptism,
right?

1147
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,840
The baptism what the Lord is
baptized with.

1148
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,200
You will be baptized with the
baptism I'm baptized with.

1149
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,800
He told the disciples.
You will drink from the cup.

1150
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:47,360
That baptism is mem, the 13th
letter of the olive bed, which

1151
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,480
means chaos, tsunami, trial by
water.

1152
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,680
Interesting.
That's what you will be baptized

1153
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,160
with.
You will walk his path.

1154
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,600
You will suffer even as he
suffered.

1155
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:03,320
You will pick up his cross.
You will do all of those things.

1156
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:08,520
You will become a savior type,
right?

1157
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:13,360
That's your not everybody's job.
Not everybody's job.

1158
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:19,520
Those who are the great and
noble ones, right?

1159
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,120
You're interesting, those guys.
So when you look at this and it

1160
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,600
says when you're in the straight
gate, right, you go through all

1161
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,920
these things and then what
happens?

1162
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:32,920
He says in there that once
you've done those things, I

1163
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:34,760
behold, my beloved brethren,
that came a voice.

1164
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,320
Thus came the voice of the Son
unto me.

1165
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:42,920
The Savior is saying to him in
2nd 31, after you've repented of

1166
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,360
your sins and witness unto the
Father that you're willing to

1167
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,360
keep my commandments by the
baptism of water.

1168
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,800
That's what the first baptism
is, right?

1169
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,400
I'm going to keep the
commandments right?

1170
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:58,480
As many times you repent, boom.
But what happens after you get

1171
01:02:58,480 --> 01:02:59,920
up farther down the road and you
blow it?

1172
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,480
He says the chances you can come
back, but the chances are so

1173
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,240
nil.
Why?

1174
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,120
Because you've sinned against
the Holy Ghost.

1175
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:11,400
You've had the baptism of fire.
See, that's Judas.

1176
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,840
Judas knew, right?
Right.

1177
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,760
He knew.
So that's why when he betrayed

1178
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:19,360
the Lord, there's no forgiveness
for him in the life to come, in

1179
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,720
this life of the life to come.
So in the end, what's the point

1180
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,480
of living?
Commit suicide?

1181
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:25,400
He was done.
Why?

1182
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,000
Because he had the baptism of
fire.

1183
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:28,680
He knew the mysteries of the
Kingdom of God.

1184
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:32,160
He spoke, and he was technically
higher educated in the system

1185
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,840
than anybody.
So you look at this and it says

1186
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,280
you're baptism by water, have
received the baptism of fire,

1187
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,920
and the Holy Ghost can speak
with a new tongue.

1188
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:42,840
Yeah, even with the tongue of
angels.

1189
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,640
And after this should deny me,
it would have been better for

1190
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:51,000
you that you had not known me.
Now we go to verse 32 or chapter

1191
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,560
32.
And now behold, my brethren,

1192
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,520
verse one.
I suppose that you ponder

1193
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,280
somewhat in your hearts,
concerning which you should do

1194
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:00,760
after you've entered in, by the
way.

1195
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,280
But behold, why do you ponder
these things in your hearts?

1196
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,960
Do you not remember that I said
unto you that after you'd

1197
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,520
received the Holy Ghost you
could speak with the tongue of

1198
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,240
angels?
And now how could you speak with

1199
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:14,200
the tongue of angels, save it
were by the Holy Ghost?

1200
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,080
Who's he talking to?
Us.

1201
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:18,320
Yeah.
Yeah, so.

1202
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,680
So who gets to speak with the
tongue of angels, Dave?

1203
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:25,400
All of us, if we want to.
Well, it will pay the price,

1204
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:27,920
boy.
There is a lot to unpack there

1205
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:31,160
and some that quite frankly
we're we're not going to unpack

1206
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:32,120
because no.
We can't.

1207
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:33,200
We don't have time.
Yeah.

1208
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,840
Well, that and it, there's some
stuff in there that's just too

1209
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:39,600
sacred to discuss 'cause like
100% I think, I think there's

1210
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:43,280
some allusions there to some
higher ordinances that that are,

1211
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,560
that are super important, right?
You're you're.

1212
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:48,520
Absolutely correct, but.
Nonetheless, right.

1213
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:52,760
And and as you're talking about
this, the thing, the thing that

1214
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,480
keeps coming back, right?
You want to speak with that

1215
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,120
tongue of angels.
And I think so often people

1216
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,200
think that that's a language,
right?

1217
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:04,800
Well, it is kind of, but I think
it's more about revelation.

1218
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:06,840
It is.
Revelation right 100%.

1219
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:13,840
Because you know, if we, if we
look back in John, right, or, or

1220
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:18,520
first, let's start here.
When, when Jesus asks Peter, you

1221
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:20,680
know who, who, who you think I
am?

1222
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,200
And he says, you know, well,
you're, you're you're the Savior

1223
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,400
Christ, Son of God, you're the
Christ, right.

1224
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:29,640
And he says, blessed art thou,
Simon Barjona, for flesh and

1225
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,560
blood has not revealed it unto
thee, but your Father, which is

1226
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,240
in heaven.
Yeah, right there.

1227
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:40,120
So that that's the mechanism
that is Revelation, right.

1228
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:44,520
And and so as we look at that
and then and then you you

1229
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,920
extrapolate that out.
What does Jesus end up talking,

1230
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,480
saying here?
This is life eternal to know

1231
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:55,960
Jesus Christ and and true and
living.

1232
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,120
God.
The the true and living God.

1233
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,000
Excuse me, in Jesus Christ, whom
he has sent.

1234
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,400
I butchered that one.
We all know it, you're good,

1235
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,880
but.
But there is something here in

1236
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,000
the knowledge and the
revelation, and I think that's

1237
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,680
what you're driving at, right?
Well cuz think about what you

1238
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,840
said.
You said blessed art thou Peter,

1239
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:19,280
right?
Simon Barjona, What happens

1240
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:25,000
right after that?
So now God knows, he knows, he

1241
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:26,320
knows.
So what happens?

1242
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,720
Name change, right?
It's.

1243
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:32,560
Really reminiscent again.
Like we were talking about

1244
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:36,120
ordinances, name change.
So here's what happens right in

1245
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:40,840
second by 32 verse 3.
Angels speak by the power of the

1246
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,720
Holy Ghost, wherefore they speak
the words of Christ.

1247
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,560
Wherefore I said unto you, feast
upon the words of Christ.

1248
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:50,160
For behold, the words of Christ
will tell you all things that

1249
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,400
you should do.
Now that's the first.

1250
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,240
So first of all, if you don't
speak the tongue of angels, you

1251
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:55,840
don't understand the words of
Christ.

1252
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,600
OK, that's the first thing.
Because it's that.

1253
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:02,400
And where do we get all things?
That's DNC 84, right?

1254
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,120
Right.
That's the promise of the what?

1255
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,440
The obtaining of both
priesthoods.

1256
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:11,360
OK, now wherefore now after I've
spoken these words, if you

1257
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:15,440
cannot understand them, it will
because be because you ask not

1258
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,640
neither do you knock.
Wherefore you are not brought

1259
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:20,840
into the light, but must perish
in the dark.

1260
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:24,280
Doctrine and Covenants.
You are walking in the darkness

1261
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:28,200
at noonday verse 5 For behold,
again I say unto you, that if

1262
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,160
you will enter in by the way,
and receive the Holy Ghost, it

1263
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,760
will show unto you.
So tell and show all things that

1264
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:39,240
you should do.
Behold, this is the doctrine of

1265
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:43,080
Christ, and there will be no
doctrine, no more doctrine

1266
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:46,000
given, until after He shall
manifest himself unto you in the

1267
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,560
flesh.
Who there's those?

1268
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,560
Ordinances talking about what's
going to happen he's going to

1269
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:54,720
manifest himself unto you in the
flesh and when he shall manifest

1270
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,480
himself unto you in the flesh,
the things which he shall say

1271
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:02,240
unto you, ye shall observe to do
you are in a different church.

1272
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,600
OK now verse 7 and I Nephi
cannot say more.

1273
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,240
That's the end of the mysteries
right, right.

1274
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:11,920
He's already talked too much.
The spirit stoppeth my

1275
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:13,840
utterance.
Does anybody of, of us who

1276
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,800
understand this know what it's
like for the Lord to go, hey

1277
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:20,840
buddy, knock it off.
Shut up.

1278
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:23,319
And then let me let me finish
this real quick and then I'm

1279
01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:26,279
going to right and I'm left to
mourn because of the unbelief in

1280
01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:29,200
the wickedness and the ignorance
and the stiff neckedness of men.

1281
01:08:29,399 --> 01:08:33,439
For they will not search
knowledge nor understand great

1282
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,560
knowledge when it is given unto
them in plainness, even as plain

1283
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,680
as where it should be.
So that's all I wanted to say in

1284
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:42,920
that is because now you come
back to the knowledge versus

1285
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:46,080
what great knowledge, which is
revelation, the tongue of

1286
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:49,520
angels.
And there has to be a mechanism

1287
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,479
to unpack that so you can study
it and with a seed is and then

1288
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:53,880
plant it and have God reveal it
to you.

1289
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:59,439
You know that that's fascinating
on, on, on another level, right,

1290
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:03,880
Which is when, when I talk to
folks who are who are really

1291
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,160
struggling in, in their
scripture study.

1292
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,720
Yeah.
I get the same answer a lot,

1293
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,160
which is it's just boring,
right?

1294
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:16,000
I just, I start reading and then
I get lost in my mind starts to

1295
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:17,920
wander.
Wander, excuse me.

1296
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:24,760
And look, just like going to the
temple takes revelation, right?

1297
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:28,680
You want to get the full effect
of of the temple endowment you

1298
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:33,240
have and all the ordinances you
have to be in a revelatory state

1299
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,600
of mind.
Absolutely the.

1300
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,920
Same applies, I believe, to the
scriptures, right?

1301
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:39,279
Absolutely.
As.

1302
01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:45,000
As you're a young follower of
Christ, the base reading will be

1303
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,680
enough to get you on that
journey.

1304
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,960
But if you want the Scriptures
to continue to be relevant, you

1305
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:53,080
need the spirit of revelation to
discern the things which you

1306
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:56,760
need to discern right, to
extract that greater knowledge

1307
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:02,520
that's there that often is just
left hidden under the surface.

1308
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,480
Yeah, I I agree.
That's part of the thing that

1309
01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:08,040
happens.
I'm just grabbing some papers

1310
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:09,600
here.
Part of the thing that happens.

1311
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:13,200
And what you're saying is for
me, what I'm trying to show

1312
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:24,640
people all the time is, is what
happens when we show you the

1313
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:29,520
mechanics of it and then show
you the metrics, the measuring

1314
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:34,920
metrics and the mechanisms.
Once they understand that, all

1315
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:39,320
of a sudden they can completely.
I'm not going to say shortcut,

1316
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:45,280
but they can bypass the
wandering around in unknown

1317
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:46,680
paths.
Right.

1318
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:50,720
Because the problem is, is it's
it's I used to say this all the

1319
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:51,880
time.
People would always say to me

1320
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:55,040
when they would, they say when
they go to seminars or listen,

1321
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,880
if I could just get one little
nugget, it's worth my time.

1322
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:04,360
And I would have say, not me.
Why I don't have time to get one

1323
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:06,240
nugget.
I don't have time to spend hours

1324
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:10,240
for one little thing.
That's a that's a poverty

1325
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:11,760
mentality when it comes to
knowledge.

1326
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:15,040
I want to drop gold the whole
time.

1327
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:19,720
I want to talk to somebody who
can just give me the give me the

1328
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,680
process.
And so when I do this stuff, the

1329
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:26,800
objective is to give them the
process, for example, right.

1330
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:30,040
You want to know one of the
things I, I love, I loved about

1331
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:33,760
talking to you is, and I, and
I'm saying this in an, in the,

1332
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,480
the most complimentary way I can
say it.

1333
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:44,760
I really appreciate and love the
fact of your dedication to the

1334
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:49,240
temple and what's taught there.
Because as it's not most people,

1335
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:53,120
they love it.
But they don't love it, right?

1336
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,960
They don't go in there.
I've said this forever, and

1337
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:59,040
people would look at me kind of
crazy and I'd go, listen, here's

1338
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,680
the thing.
If someone grows up in a house

1339
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:05,280
where their parents are doctors
or lawyers, it's so easy for

1340
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:09,200
those children, if they want to,
to become doctors and lawyers

1341
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:11,840
because it doesn't require
really faith for them.

1342
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,400
They grew up.
Yeah, They grew up with that

1343
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:18,760
understanding.
And I said, here's it at a base

1344
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,200
level.
At a base level, This is why you

1345
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:24,360
go to the temple all the time
because you get to go to work

1346
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:28,160
with dad.
What does God do?

1347
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:31,320
Create worlds without number,
bring it past the inward town,

1348
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:34,840
eternal life of man.
You get to see what he does

1349
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:38,800
every second of every day.
Not that there's a day for him,

1350
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:43,680
but right to say with his,
whatever it is, eternities, this

1351
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,720
is what he's doing.
You.

1352
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:49,440
Get to go there with Dad every
day.

1353
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:52,240
If you're not, this is a
conversation that people, they

1354
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:55,120
don't have it this way.
You go to the temple because

1355
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:58,520
you're there watching Dad do
what Dad does.

1356
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:02,640
And that's how you become a
creator.

1357
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,760
The more you go, you get to be
in a point where you're like,

1358
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:08,760
all of a sudden your faith to
create.

1359
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:10,680
This is where I learned all of
this stuff.

1360
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,920
Not just this, but when I got an
opportunity as a missionary and

1361
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:17,480
went through a process of
changing 32 different attributes

1362
01:13:17,480 --> 01:13:20,600
in my character in 30 days, I
changed them all through a

1363
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:21,920
process I call the genesis
point.

1364
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:26,360
And in that, in about a week
into that process, which took me

1365
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:30,160
about 6 hours a day in a, in a
during, in about the week into

1366
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:35,000
that process, I ended up being
able to see it, the entire root

1367
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:36,960
structure of all knowledge, all
of it.

1368
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:40,320
I saw all of it.
And I got to walk on it for 30

1369
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:44,760
days and I could.
And it was so pervasive that

1370
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:48,760
everywhere I walked, anything I
saw, I knew how that connected

1371
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:52,600
to everything.
When I was when I came home and

1372
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:56,400
I became a consultant, I became
literally the best in the world

1373
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,160
at what I did.
The reason why is because I knew

1374
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:00,760
how everything connected to
everything.

1375
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:04,040
I knew how to solve everything
because I knew how to get from

1376
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,360
there to here and what connected
to there was obvious.

1377
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:10,080
So when you look at that stuff,
all of that stuff happens

1378
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:13,640
because of the temple.
So when you look at like this,

1379
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:15,760
this is this is the olive,
right?

1380
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,680
This is the first letter of the
of the olive, but the Hebrew

1381
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:20,360
olive.
But now this is a more modern

1382
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:21,760
stylized version.
It doesn't matter.

1383
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,400
And because I don't have a pen
and paper, so I don't I won't

1384
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,080
draw it out.
But if that's that's what we're

1385
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:29,560
looking at.
And so when you see that you go,

1386
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:32,480
what does that stand for?
Well, it's, it's, it's ordinal

1387
01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:37,160
numbers, number one.
In the end, it doesn't make

1388
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,760
really any sound.
So it's, it's a glottal stop.

1389
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:43,680
So it would be more of like a or
something like that.

1390
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:46,480
But it's, it's essentially
silent.

1391
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:50,680
And So what happens is when you
understand that, you understand

1392
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:54,680
it's, it's meaning numerically.
It stands for God the Father.

1393
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,480
It stands for oneness, unity,
togetherness, all of those types

1394
01:14:57,480 --> 01:14:59,400
of things.
So when you look at that and you

1395
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:04,400
go, OK, Hebrew letters are
made-up of, first of all, they

1396
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:08,880
have names, olive.
So the word olive has letters

1397
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:10,840
because you have to now spell
that out.

1398
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:15,520
So you do have olive.
You have a olive, and then you

1399
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:19,720
have L, right, which is lamid.
So you break that down.

1400
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:23,360
But even this letter is made-up
of other letters.

1401
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,880
The center letter is above.
That's the six letter of the

1402
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:28,920
olive bet.
What does that stand for?

1403
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,960
That stands for the, the the
iron nail, the hook, the thing

1404
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:37,080
that combines, binds things
together, right?

1405
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:40,320
That's what it means.
And then you have these two

1406
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,200
nubs.
Those are yods.

1407
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:46,240
Yod is the 10th letter of the
Hebrew Oliphant.

1408
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:51,800
It stands for the hand and the
arm to to do a great and mighty

1409
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,600
work.
So now when we think about that,

1410
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,280
we go, OK, so now we draw a
line.

1411
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:00,040
In the center we have heaven and
we have earth.

1412
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:06,080
We have God reaching down into
what earth or through into

1413
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,840
earth.
We have us reaching into heaven.

1414
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:13,120
And the center we have what is
represented by the nail of the

1415
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:16,800
covenant or the Savior.
What is that OK?

1416
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,040
All right, so so with, where do
you find?

1417
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:21,560
That.
Right.

1418
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:26,840
So let me ask you this question
that that letter right there.

1419
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:29,000
Would that have been in Paleo
Hebrew as well?

1420
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:33,440
It would have been an ox.
It would have been what, an ox?

1421
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:36,360
OK, so.
So watch.

1422
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:41,280
So where do we find this?
The center, the veil, right?

1423
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:43,640
God's right.
So without going through any of

1424
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:46,280
that, we understand anybody who
knows knows what I'm saying.

1425
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:51,160
This is you with the veil.
It's the first letter of the

1426
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:54,800
It's togetherness in unity with
God the Father through The Who,

1427
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:56,800
the Son, the.
Son.

1428
01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:00,760
Yeah, right.
And so in the end, it's also the

1429
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,120
ox.
What is the ox?

1430
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:07,680
Essentially it's a circumcised
bull, takes all the strength is

1431
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:11,200
there, but takes it so it can be
used in the work.

1432
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,760
OK, so the, the only reason I
asked that question and, and

1433
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,680
help me understand here, 'cause
I, I, I there, there's something

1434
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:22,720
here and I'm, I must not be
understanding, but it's my

1435
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,880
understanding that Lehigh would
have used Paleo Hebrew with the

1436
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,320
Book of Mormon, right?
That would have been part of

1437
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,000
that reformed Egyptian let.
Let's say that that was the

1438
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:33,040
case.
We can play, we can play any

1439
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:34,640
narrative that anybody wants to
throw and.

1440
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:38,840
I and I get that just from from
archaeologists and that, you

1441
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:45,600
know, the that 600 BC would have
been the the where paleo Hebrew

1442
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:50,520
was used a lot.
So can't, can can we take that

1443
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,840
olive that you just showed me
and apply that to the Book of

1444
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,040
Mormon and still get the same
answer 100?

1445
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:58,600
Percent if he's.
Using a different a different

1446
01:17:58,600 --> 01:17:59,800
style.
Does that make sense?

1447
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,720
Yeah, absolutely.
So let's say we go to the ox,

1448
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:06,400
right?
So now the ox is back then the

1449
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:11,200
biggest primary beast of burden,
fair and right.

1450
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:13,400
So we've go to Job 12.
It's like, oh, if you want to

1451
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:17,320
know, speak to the beasts, speak
to the this, talk to these guys.

1452
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,840
Those aren't animals, they're
people, right?

1453
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:24,160
So what is the ox?
The ox is a essentially right, a

1454
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:27,320
neutered bull.
Sure, because we're become

1455
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:28,240
right.
What are we doing?

1456
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:30,720
We're essentially circumcising
it, right?

1457
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:34,840
In essence, the same concept.
So that way it's not, it doesn't

1458
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:38,040
run amok, it's not aggressive,
it doesn't lose any of its

1459
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:40,520
strength, so it can be used in
the work.

1460
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,200
So when you look at that, what
are we saying?

1461
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:46,480
We're coming to God the Father
through the Savior, through a

1462
01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:49,920
circumcised heart.
OK all.

1463
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:53,480
Appetites and passions, all that
stuff bounds that God says,

1464
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:55,200
right?
You see what I'm saying?

1465
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:59,480
And now all of a sudden we can
be used in the work.

1466
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:04,720
Now we are a creature that God
can use.

1467
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:08,720
And so and then you go back to
this and it has in the end, it's

1468
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,400
the same.
It's in the end, it's the same.

1469
01:19:11,480 --> 01:19:15,320
It ends up the same place.
And so that's why when you see

1470
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:18,040
it that way, then all of a
sudden circumcision takes on a

1471
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:24,200
whole different concept, right?
Because it is attached to the

1472
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:30,720
the first, the first letter and
then the last Pab 22 is the sign

1473
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:34,760
of the covenant.
And in the end you realize that

1474
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:39,000
the first and the last also
becomes in Hebrew, it becomes

1475
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:44,040
the the word ET or AT which
means and essential.

1476
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:48,480
So that's the whole concept that
I talk about when, when you

1477
01:19:48,480 --> 01:19:51,840
build things and you understand
that, you realize when the Lord

1478
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:55,600
in Genesis is saying, as he
reads through it, he's and this

1479
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:58,720
and that and this and that, and
it seems like he's repeating it.

1480
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:01,800
What is he doing?
He's taking the 1st and the last

1481
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:05,920
and he's covenanting and he's
binding these concepts together.

1482
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:10,000
Interesting.
So that's the those are the

1483
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,400
things and symbolically we could
you could say if you wanted

1484
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:17,560
those stones that were never
using with mortar because they

1485
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:21,720
were covenanted and bounded or
quote married together.

1486
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:23,920
Right.
And, and by the way, that's,

1487
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,520
that's the one of the things
about 32 when I talk about 32, I

1488
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,360
had a really crazy experience
for years and years and years.

1489
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:33,040
And then I don't know why I had
to unpack all of this stuff in

1490
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:36,600
Mormonism and, and do it this
exact same way.

1491
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,520
And so I was sitting there and I
go, I was asking in prayer.

1492
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:42,400
I'm like, Hey, listen, master,
can I, can I ask a question?

1493
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,400
I said, here's the thing.
And I'm, I'm just tainting in

1494
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:48,080
normal, you know, normal
conversation.

1495
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,400
What what is going on with all
these businesses for all this

1496
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:54,800
time that they get to a certain
point and also they seem like

1497
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:56,560
they blow up.
What why does that happen?

1498
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,480
Because I was at a very
different level of understanding

1499
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,120
and had a lot of different
interesting experiences, which

1500
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:04,400
we don't write.
This podcast is not a place for

1501
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:05,600
that.
That's private conversation.

1502
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:10,640
And and the Lord explains this
to me because I already

1503
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:12,200
understood it.
So I'm in the temple and I all

1504
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:17,080
of a sudden I'm realizing the
concept of ET and the concept of

1505
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:18,600
that.
And I'm, I'm realizing, oh,

1506
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,880
that's all the binding language.
So when we're in the temple and

1507
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:24,400
we're watching all that come
together, I, you're watching God

1508
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,040
actually create the mechanics of
it.

1509
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:33,480
I create this and pop all of
top, all of top, first and last,

1510
01:21:33,480 --> 01:21:37,400
first and last, alpha, Omega,
bound together, married

1511
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:41,200
together.
Then you go into DNZ 32132 and

1512
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:47,560
it talks about that concept and
you go, well, any contract that

1513
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:50,360
we enter into and it goes the
whole list, right?

1514
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:54,200
It's not entered into this kind
of format, right?

1515
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:58,160
Right, is null.
And void when the earth is over.

1516
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:04,920
But but it's not just that if
it's null and if it's not going

1517
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:08,760
to have any power.
Here's the other thing it does.

1518
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:13,280
It's not protected from what
corruption in the.

1519
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:15,840
World.
So why are we entering into

1520
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:18,840
business contracts with each
other and doing things that are

1521
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:22,440
not done by that same authority
and the point behind it with

1522
01:22:22,440 --> 01:22:25,760
that going through the Hebrew
language is there to each other.

1523
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:33,000
It's if I break this covenant
with you may happen to me what

1524
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:38,080
we did to this goat and then the
other person does the same.

1525
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:42,320
Now when we go back to the old
concepts in the temple, the

1526
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:47,280
older ones where we have those
types of right, right movements

1527
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:50,680
without going through them,
they're all the same things as

1528
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:55,720
the sacrificial process of
sacrificing a goat and cutting

1529
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,840
that it means to cut to cut a
covenant.

1530
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:00,680
So.
That is, yeah.

1531
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:02,000
No, I, I remember.
That's so.

1532
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:08,280
That's so significant to
understand that and then we take

1533
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:13,160
it out instead of explaining it.
And then what happens is we lose

1534
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:18,400
the concept of the seriousness
of these covenants.

1535
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:21,720
It doesn't mean that Nelson's
going to come by and go, hey,

1536
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:23,920
you broke a covenant, get the
knife.

1537
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:27,320
It's not what it means it that's
that's for God.

1538
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:30,520
But it's no different than what
happens in secondary 31 when he

1539
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:34,960
says, if you had these things
and you depart from them, what

1540
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:36,760
will happen?
It will be better for you that

1541
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:41,920
you never knew me, right?
And so The thing is, is that

1542
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:44,960
look at what it talks about in
in Alma.

1543
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:48,560
What is it, 42 or 24, where it's
talking about that the whole

1544
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:50,840
concept behind the law, that if
someone knows the law.

1545
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,520
Right then they.
Have to know the whole law

1546
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:55,600
because if they don't know the
whole law, then they can't be

1547
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,040
what?
They can't be judged right

1548
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:00,320
because they don't know the
consequence.

1549
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,400
They don't know the law and then
it talks about it, he says.

1550
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:05,880
If a man knew that there was no
punishment for murder, what

1551
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:08,400
would stop him from murdering?
Right.

1552
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,000
So here's the problem.
That's murdering.

1553
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:17,600
Now let's go all the way down
the list of crap that people do.

1554
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:20,880
We don't know the consequence.
And here's what happens in the

1555
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,400
church.
We've eliminated all of that.

1556
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:27,480
Oh, we're so sorry.
You've suffered enough for that

1557
01:24:27,480 --> 01:24:31,400
horrible thing that you did.
Two years has gone by, let alone

1558
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:34,360
you never wanted to repent.
So we're just going to.

1559
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:36,320
It's enough time.
It's gone by.

1560
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:38,760
You suffer enough, Go ahead.
That's literally not what

1561
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:40,800
repentance is.
And it doesn't mean you want

1562
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:42,680
people to suffer.
You didn't repent.

1563
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:47,640
You waited the time out until
people like, yeah, what do we

1564
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,000
say?
Yeah.

1565
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:51,520
What do we do?
Right.

1566
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:53,760
We don't know how to that's
that's not what that means.

1567
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,760
And why?
Because people don't know that

1568
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:59,600
there's a consequence.
Right, because we.

1569
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:02,880
Don't the bishops who are
supposed to do that don't

1570
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,400
illustrate that to people?
And we don't teach it.

1571
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:09,320
We're just like, it's all good.
Oh, you mean God will beat us

1572
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:11,520
with a few stripes, right?
Right.

1573
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:16,440
Yeah, yeah, 100% it's.
Literally what it is and, and

1574
01:25:16,440 --> 01:25:18,600
they're getting away with the
breaking covenants and, and when

1575
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:22,440
you watch the stuff that goes on
in their life, what we can't say

1576
01:25:22,440 --> 01:25:27,160
is that's because you broke your
temple covenant, right?

1577
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:28,920
We're making people make
covenants.

1578
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:33,640
We're making people make
covenants that they shouldn't be

1579
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:37,200
making, right?
And this is the thing I talk

1580
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:39,720
about with baptism, right?
If you look at baptism and you

1581
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:43,720
go into, you go into Moroni 6.
I always find Moroni funny.

1582
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:45,800
But go ahead, hang.
Tight real quick while you're

1583
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:49,160
looking at I do have a question.
You said we're we're having

1584
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:51,280
people make covenants that they
shouldn't be making.

1585
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:55,120
Are are you talking from an
aspect of they're they're maybe

1586
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:58,280
not spiritually mature enough
yet to make that covenant?

1587
01:25:58,440 --> 01:26:00,680
I'm a 40. 2 They don't know the
law, they don't know the

1588
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:02,840
consequence of it 10/4.
OK.

1589
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:05,200
So and and so we no, it's.
It's not you.

1590
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,080
You weren't saying there was
something wrong with the

1591
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:08,600
covenant.
It's no, no, no.

1592
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:11,120
We're we're, we're getting
people, we're trying to we're

1593
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:15,040
we're think about the kids.
Like if you look at parents who

1594
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:19,200
I want my kid to be successful,
you can't get a you can't get

1595
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:20,880
your license until you become an
Eagle Scout.

1596
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:24,520
You can't.
We're we're pushing, we're

1597
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:26,640
driving people through the
process.

1598
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:28,480
OK.
And this is what I love about I

1599
01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:30,600
love so much.
I love the Book of Mormon like

1600
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:34,560
beyond belief, but I also love
the the NOC.

1601
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,120
I love the Pentateuch.
I love all of it because to me

1602
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,240
it's all the exact same thing
because I know the Hebrew,

1603
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:41,320
right?
I know the paleo Hebrew, I know

1604
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:43,880
the protophyneic Canaanite, I
know all of it.

1605
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:47,760
So, and now we speak concerning
baptism, where I 6.

1606
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:51,240
Behold, elders, priests, and
teachers were baptized, and they

1607
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:55,040
were not baptized, save they
brought forth fruit, meat, and

1608
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:57,400
that they were worthy of
baptism.

1609
01:26:59,960 --> 01:27:02,760
Hey man, I thought we got
baptized to, for, to, to be, to

1610
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:08,200
be cleanse of sin.
No man, neither did they receive

1611
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:12,040
any unto baptism, save they came
forth with a broken heart and

1612
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:16,360
contrite spirit, and witnessed
unto the church that they were

1613
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:19,800
truly repented of all their
sins.

1614
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:24,000
And none were received unto
baptism, save they took upon

1615
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:27,400
them the name of Christ, having
determination to serve Him to

1616
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:29,960
the end.
And and after they had been

1617
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:33,280
received unto baptism, they were
wrought upon and cleansed by the

1618
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:35,240
power of the Holy Ghost.
The reason why this doesn't

1619
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:37,480
happen to people, which is
pretty much nobody, is because

1620
01:27:37,480 --> 01:27:41,600
you are not repentant of your
sins before you enter the water.

1621
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:46,400
We do.
It all day long.

1622
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:49,520
That's right.
Here we've just strayed from all

1623
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:51,840
of the stuff that we that Joseph
gave us.

1624
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:53,960
And I agree with you.
Or after a while, Joseph went,

1625
01:27:55,480 --> 01:27:56,360
yeah.
This.

1626
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:59,680
Isn't going so well.
Well, they don't.

1627
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:01,400
They don't actually want this
anymore.

1628
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:05,600
Hence the famous If you knew
what I knew, you'd seek my life.

1629
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:09,360
Right.
You know, they're, they're you,

1630
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:12,800
you kind of touched on something
that that always drove me nuts

1631
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,600
when when I saw it, whether that
was in the LDS church or

1632
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:21,200
otherwise.
We tend to want and and I

1633
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:23,400
believe it's from a good place.
I really do.

1634
01:28:23,480 --> 01:28:26,320
I don't, I don't think it's
anything nefarious.

1635
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:27,240
I agree.
It's not.

1636
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:28,840
It's not malintent.
I would I.

1637
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:32,160
I think it, I think it comes
from, I think it's actually an

1638
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:34,120
outgrowth of something very
positive.

1639
01:28:34,480 --> 01:28:37,840
Like when Lehigh went and took
that fruit, when he had his

1640
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:39,760
vision, what was the first thing
he wanted to do?

1641
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:42,800
He wants his family to take
partake, right?

1642
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:47,800
And I think sometimes with, with
some of our newer converts, we

1643
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:52,520
get so excited for them, right,
that we're like you, you got to

1644
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:54,000
catch up.
We got to catch them up to where

1645
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:55,720
I'm at because this guy's really
good.

1646
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:58,760
And I, I love this man.
And and and so it comes from a

1647
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,320
good place, but we do them a
disservice.

1648
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:05,120
Yes, I agree with you if.
If if we don't let them come

1649
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:08,840
along in their own time.
And and man, it's the the

1650
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:12,680
reality is it's scary as death
and and so we filtered God

1651
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:16,480
through our own stupid selves.
Can you make a family?

1652
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:21,360
No.
OK, then if you can't make that,

1653
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:22,840
you're not that you're not that
great.

1654
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:24,520
That's and that's how I look at
it.

1655
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:27,800
I look at him like because I
remember all the time in in in

1656
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:32,680
conversations and in prayer
always saying, Yep, I know can't

1657
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:34,160
make a family.
I know where I'm at.

1658
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:37,480
I get it right.
All the great miracles and all

1659
01:29:37,480 --> 01:29:39,920
the things that have happened
and experienced in my life that

1660
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:43,240
the Lord has this allowed me to
participate in.

1661
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:46,960
I'm not dumb.
I know I can't make a family.

1662
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:50,240
I can ask the Lord to park the
clouds and he'll do it, but I

1663
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:54,240
can't make a family, right?
I cannot add 1 cubit to my

1664
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:57,040
statue right in the And you know
this.

1665
01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:01,000
The more that relationship
becomes a certain way, the more

1666
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:06,240
you really know that you are
literally nothing, Hugh.

1667
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:10,280
That is such a great point.
The the closer I get to the

1668
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:13,720
savior, the more his light
illuminates all of my flaws,

1669
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:20,160
right?
It, it is a process of, of, of

1670
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:23,280
purging the, the dross from
ourselves.

1671
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:27,880
And, and the closer you get to
the Savior's light, the more

1672
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:30,960
it's illuminated.
How many, how many sharp edges

1673
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,240
still have to be rounded off?
Yeah.

1674
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:34,960
I remember one time I was
sitting there, I was watching

1675
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:39,080
conference and, and, and you
know, I have my own things, you

1676
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:41,040
know, where stuff like that, I
don't listen to half of it.

1677
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:44,520
And sometimes I do.
And because I've watched, I've

1678
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:47,480
watched the shift and but at
this one time, it's a couple

1679
01:30:47,480 --> 01:30:50,360
years back, I'm sitting there
and, and Nelson was giving a

1680
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:53,560
talk and it was an intro talk
and, and he was talking about

1681
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:58,440
how he got a front row seat to
watch the new right remodeling

1682
01:30:58,440 --> 01:31:01,360
of Salt Lake Temple.
And he was on the wiring and the

1683
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:05,440
this and then all of a sudden he
brings up the fountain and then

1684
01:31:05,440 --> 01:31:07,560
this leaky fountain and they're
tearing it out.

1685
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:12,240
And then all of a sudden it
wasn't him talking anymore.

1686
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:16,240
He was completely different.
And so as I'm going through

1687
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:18,160
this, in the end, he starts
talking about debris.

1688
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,960
And so at the end of the talk,
here's what happens.

1689
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:26,600
This is what I hear.
Clean out the debris, prepare

1690
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:30,600
for a call.
I was like, this is awesome,

1691
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:32,800
right?
Because I, I've been called to

1692
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:34,800
be a mission president when I
was 37 years of age.

1693
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:37,360
And without going through that
whole story, I was never able to

1694
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:41,080
serve, not on any accord of my
own, but because my then wife

1695
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:45,440
went off the rails and, and, and
got a divorce and I was raising

1696
01:31:45,440 --> 01:31:47,880
six children of my own.
And of course, back then,

1697
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:50,800
anybody's ever been a divorce.
You're a pariah in the church.

1698
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:52,000
You're never going to do a
single thing.

1699
01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:53,800
You won't hold a calling never
in your life.

1700
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:58,600
And anyway in that format.
So that's what happened, but I

1701
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:02,960
kind of run it up the flagpole.
And so and so when I said I

1702
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:04,200
heard that, I was like, wow,
that's.

1703
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:07,240
And so I was so excited because
some of the things that had

1704
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:10,440
happened that I'd experienced
for the longest time, I thought,

1705
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:13,760
oh, there's going to be some
cool stuff coming.

1706
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:17,920
And then of course, the more
that that went on, I leaned into

1707
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:19,400
that.
And then I get more and more

1708
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:21,680
stuff and more and more stuff
and understand what debris is.

1709
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:26,080
And then it leads me to 1st
Nephi 12 and you know what?

1710
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:29,160
So I'm sitting there and I'll go
to sleep and prayers and reading

1711
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:31,680
and then, and then I have a
little trick and I'll just share

1712
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:34,640
this because I've taught it to
other people and, and those that

1713
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:39,200
can do it, it works really well.
I said, you go to sleep in that

1714
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:40,360
format.
You want questions.

1715
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:43,000
So when you're in your final
prayer, you ask the Lord certain

1716
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:45,320
things.
And then I said, then, then take

1717
01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:48,480
a big thing of water, right?
Dump it down your throat because

1718
01:32:48,480 --> 01:32:49,480
what will happen two years
later?

1719
01:32:49,480 --> 01:32:50,640
You've got to wake up and go to
the bathroom.

1720
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:56,400
But if you're if, if you have
reached a point where the Lord

1721
01:32:56,400 --> 01:33:01,880
will actually communicate with
you when you ask, right, what'll

1722
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:06,680
happen is, is you'll wake up
with scriptures on your lips out

1723
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:08,920
of nowhere and whole entire
ideas, right?

1724
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:11,760
And then you go and you spend,
you know, you spend half an hour

1725
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:14,640
little bang it out and then and
then you go back to sleep and

1726
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:16,320
you're like, OK, you go through
your process again.

1727
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:18,240
You drink more water.
This happens 3 * a night.

1728
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:21,800
By the time you wake up, it's
like kaboom and you got a full,

1729
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:25,920
a fully cooked thing.
And so and then see, and then

1730
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:27,720
you go plant it and you see what
happens to it.

1731
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:31,240
But the point is, is that when I
was doing that, it led me to 1st

1732
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:34,480
Nephi 11:00 and 12:00.
And I started going right,

1733
01:33:34,480 --> 01:33:37,120
because in first Nephi 11, the
Lord in Nephi is going through

1734
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:38,280
the process.
The spirit of the Lord is

1735
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:40,640
showing him all of these things,
right?

1736
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:43,080
And he's like, oh, this is the
tree of life and this is the

1737
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:46,680
river and it right, It all
symbolizes the love of God,

1738
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:49,120
right?
And you're like, yeah, that's

1739
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:53,240
fantastic.
And then all of a sudden you go

1740
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:57,680
to 1st D512 and you go, well,
that's different.

1741
01:33:58,160 --> 01:33:59,880
And so he goes through the same
thing.

1742
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:02,200
I bear witness.
Twelve others.

1743
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:06,000
I saw the right, the 4th
generations pass away.

1744
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:08,680
And then he says, an Angel
spoken to me saying, behold, the

1745
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:11,480
fountain of filthy water which
thy father saw.

1746
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:14,200
Yeah, even the river which he
spake and the depths there over

1747
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:15,680
the depths of hell.
And you're like, wait a minute,

1748
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:21,920
what changed?
What changed?

1749
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:26,840
The same exact thing, the same
river that led by the tree, that

1750
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:28,120
everything that was the love of
God.

1751
01:34:28,440 --> 01:34:31,640
Now flip the page.
I used to say this all the time.

1752
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:33,040
People go, you can't just flip
the page.

1753
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:36,400
I'm like, guys, go back to the
1830 edition of the Book of

1754
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:40,120
Mormon, and when you read that,
111 is on this side, and when

1755
01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:44,000
you flip it over, 12 is on that
side, literally flipping the

1756
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:47,160
page, right?
Which I find very intriguing

1757
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:49,320
because I usually read out of
the 1830 edition.

1758
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:54,040
And so in the end, Dave, what
changed?

1759
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:59,840
Why now is the love of God.
Why now is the love of God?

1760
01:35:01,440 --> 01:35:03,360
The depths thereof are the
depths of hell.

1761
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:09,640
That's not even a conversation
anybody even talks about, right?

1762
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:11,520
So you have that and I went,
well, that's interesting.

1763
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:14,360
Then I started going and moving
on and going through stuff.

1764
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:17,800
And so I'm just saying all of
these things started to come

1765
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:20,920
together.
And so there were things like

1766
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:24,440
that and all of this stuff came
up because it came from that.

1767
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:27,440
And then it was funny.
I've been on this journey for

1768
01:35:27,440 --> 01:35:29,840
about four, 5-6, maybe seven
months, I think at the time.

1769
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:34,480
And one of my very close buddies
and whose solid is solid can be

1770
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:39,280
and he goes, he goes, that I
don't know how to tell you this.

1771
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:42,480
And I go and just bring it on,
man, hit me with a hammer.

1772
01:35:42,480 --> 01:35:46,800
I'm good with it.
And he goes, my wife are on our

1773
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:50,360
4 hour trip to our folks house
and he goes, I have listened to

1774
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:53,080
that talk, which it's only 7
minutes long.

1775
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:55,920
He goes, I've listened to that
thing 8 times and then we read

1776
01:35:55,920 --> 01:36:01,400
it every time he goes Nelson
never says clean out the debris,

1777
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:07,280
prepare for a call.
And I was like, but I've had

1778
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:11,960
other experiences that have been
very like that, that have

1779
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:15,240
dictated many things in my life
that were significant and none

1780
01:36:15,240 --> 01:36:18,200
of this stuff bore bad fruit.
It was all amazing.

1781
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:22,720
And so you attach that to the
concept of the no good fruit in

1782
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:26,160
Jacob 5 and Isaiah 55, not 55,
but five.

1783
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:27,680
And then you start going through
that.

1784
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:29,680
And when you start explaining
that to people, there's all

1785
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:32,920
these scriptures that are, that
are our day and our time right

1786
01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:35,160
now that nobody wants to pay
attention to.

1787
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:37,680
And then you have to understand
it in the Hebrew, the way I'm

1788
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:40,160
talking about it, lashon
malachim, because then you can

1789
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:42,840
understand the mechanics of what
that means.

1790
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:46,440
And when you talk to people in
this format and you teach them

1791
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:49,760
how this works, then all of a
sudden what happens is they can

1792
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:52,400
clip themselves and the Lord can
do the work.

1793
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:55,520
You just teeing it up.
But if they're not willing, if

1794
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:58,320
they're not even willing, and I
say this all the time, so you,

1795
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:01,560
you, your job, if I understand
correctly, in churches, your job

1796
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:04,160
is to write Gentiles, kings and
Queens.

1797
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:06,920
That wouldn't be us, right?
Joseph talked about it in the

1798
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:10,200
Doctrine Covenants.
We are the Gentiles that the

1799
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:13,400
Book of Mormon speaks up.
So that being said, if we're

1800
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:16,120
going to go gather the House of
Israel and we're going to go

1801
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:19,720
right, restore the Jews and do
all these things, then why do

1802
01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:23,520
you have a problem with the Jews
and Hebrew theologically?

1803
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:29,120
Because they do right When, when
and I and when I talk to be,

1804
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:32,040
I've talked to literally 10's
and 10's and 10s of thousands of

1805
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:36,040
people.
And even the, the instructors

1806
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:39,000
that are at conferences or
things like that, when you bring

1807
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:41,640
the stuff up, they just kind of
look at you like, what, what are

1808
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:45,040
you talking about?
And you just kind of go, guys,

1809
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:48,920
you're, you're, how do you talk
to somebody when you don't even

1810
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:53,120
understand what it is that they
that they understand?

1811
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:57,000
And if you understood that it's
so easy to talk to them.

1812
01:37:57,440 --> 01:38:00,800
And then all of a sudden these
things start to merge like they

1813
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:04,360
should.
And you realize literally the

1814
01:38:04,360 --> 01:38:08,280
Old Testament and the Book of
Mormon are seamless, but it's in

1815
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:10,800
the words.
You have to understand the

1816
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:11,960
words.
Once you understand the words,

1817
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:14,680
how you break this down as you
go, hey, I'm reading the Book of

1818
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:17,640
Mormon.
You go, OK, let's find that word

1819
01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:20,280
in the Old Testament in a
similar type of scripture.

1820
01:38:20,480 --> 01:38:22,680
Now go break it.
Go break it down.

1821
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:26,200
And then all of a sudden you
take all the live words in those

1822
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:28,240
passages and you unpack them
all.

1823
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:32,920
And then once you do that, it
changes the way that whole

1824
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:35,360
entire thing reads.
And then all of a sudden the

1825
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:40,520
Lord can tell you how it works
and you can you now have an

1826
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:43,520
actual seed that you can plant
and it makes all the difference

1827
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:45,640
in the world, right?
And that's what I tell guys like

1828
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:47,680
Genesis.
You look at Genesis and the

1829
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:52,480
temple and we've changed so much
of that because of feminism,

1830
01:38:52,480 --> 01:38:55,480
because of all these types of
things, because people are mad.

1831
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:58,960
I don't want to obey my husband.
Why do I have what do you rule

1832
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:01,600
over me?
And I go is literally not what

1833
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:05,000
that means.
Why learning of the juice.

1834
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:10,520
Moses wrote all of it in the
same way that Nephi wrote all of

1835
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:14,200
it with the holy tongue.
Knowing that you can only

1836
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:16,040
understand what does the temple
say, right?

1837
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:20,560
The the the endowment was given
by revelation, therefore can

1838
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:23,320
only be understood by
revelation.

1839
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:28,240
Then why are we not able to?
Why are we told by the guys at

1840
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:30,880
the top we can't receive
revelation that only they can?

1841
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:37,280
You know that that is so vitally
important to understand, right?

1842
01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:40,040
And and follow, follow, follow
me here on this first.

1843
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:44,680
Yeah, absolutely.
Right now there there is for

1844
01:39:44,680 --> 01:39:49,160
whatever reason a big push that
they want to change that

1845
01:39:49,160 --> 01:39:54,040
ordinance, right.
And I'm like, I would be very

1846
01:39:54,040 --> 01:40:00,640
careful, very careful, because
you might take something out

1847
01:40:00,640 --> 01:40:05,520
that you feel is problematic
right now, but given a little

1848
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:09,600
bit of time in Revelation,
you're going to really want it

1849
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:11,840
well.
That's, yeah, I agree with you

1850
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:15,000
100%.
And so we start changing temple

1851
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:21,880
covenants and ordinances that
Joseph revealed through God, and

1852
01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:24,880
we just start changing them, and
nobody even knows what it means.

1853
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:27,000
Why would you change it?
If you don't know what it means?

1854
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:29,280
You're just unilaterally
changing it.

1855
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:32,360
You don't have the
qualifications to change it.

1856
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:40,120
Yeah, let let me, let me see.
Those are big, big.

1857
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:44,040
Chunks, sure.
Sure, let, but but this I think

1858
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:48,920
is, I think it's leading to this
point here And and correct me if

1859
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:51,480
I'm wrong, I do not want to put
words in your mouth, but I also

1860
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:55,560
that I'm understanding correctly
and the audience is going to

1861
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:59,480
understand correctly here.
You're not saying that.

1862
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:07,960
You're not saying that that our
understanding is necessarily

1863
01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:12,320
wrong or when we're it's not.
It's not wrong that that that.

1864
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:15,880
The baseline understanding isn't
wrong, but that there's more

1865
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:21,600
depth and symbology there than
what we're picking up, so it can

1866
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:24,560
be both literal and figurative,
Yes.

1867
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:27,360
And yes, all.
All at the same time 100%.

1868
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:29,880
Is that a an accurate way of of
yes?

1869
01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:31,720
Because isn't that the concept
of the parable?

1870
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:35,400
Go back to the sheep when the
Lord's saying that everybody

1871
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:39,840
there who has sheep goes Man, I
wish I had 100 sheep.

1872
01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:42,320
Holy crap, that'd be I.
I got 8.

1873
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:45,120
If I could get to 100 sheep I'd
be killing it.

1874
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:49,480
And the guy with 100 sheep goes,
yeah, I remember when I lost the

1875
01:41:49,480 --> 01:41:51,960
sheep dude, that screwed me up.
Yeah.

1876
01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:55,400
When another guy with a 200 a
hundred sheep's gone, dude, I

1877
01:41:55,400 --> 01:41:58,280
will smack you with a stick if
you try to take my sheep.

1878
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:01,920
I've got the greatest fences
because I know what that means

1879
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:04,680
to me.
And now the Lord can talk to

1880
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:08,520
them, right?
Because they get the concept,

1881
01:42:09,480 --> 01:42:11,480
because he says, see, that's
what I'm doing.

1882
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:17,200
I will not lose 1 of those that
the Father has given me, not

1883
01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:19,280
one.
I.

1884
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:24,120
Will walk away from all of this
stuff to go get that guy.

1885
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:27,920
I get it.
And, and now they get it right.

1886
01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:31,160
And So what happens is, and by
the way, that's not even, that's

1887
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:33,240
not even the meaning of the
parable.

1888
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:37,800
That's the base basic Pashat.
That's the first level of it.

1889
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:41,160
If people aren't getting that
and applying that, they are

1890
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:44,920
literally the seed that fell on
the rock or fell by the wayside

1891
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:47,520
with the birds picked up and ate
right?

1892
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:53,000
If they are in the shallow
ground, then they are those

1893
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:57,080
where the seed is planted and
I'm a 32, but they don't go

1894
01:42:57,080 --> 01:42:58,800
through the whole entire
metrics.

1895
01:42:59,120 --> 01:43:02,080
And if they don't go through the
whole entire metrics of what

1896
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:05,200
makes that work, then it shoots
up, right?

1897
01:43:05,200 --> 01:43:06,640
Oh, I felt the burning in my
bosom.

1898
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:09,680
Oh my gosh, it's not the
burning, but technically my

1899
01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:13,040
bosom began to swell.
Well, what happens is that poop,

1900
01:43:13,120 --> 01:43:16,400
it shoots up, but as soon as the
sun comes, the heat, what

1901
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:20,080
happens on, right?
Because testimony is not strong.

1902
01:43:20,200 --> 01:43:23,280
Then there's those that fell on
thorny ground where the cares,

1903
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:25,000
the word choke.
And I know people like that,

1904
01:43:25,440 --> 01:43:26,440
right?
They can't even they're so

1905
01:43:26,440 --> 01:43:27,600
intelligent, but they can't
learn.

1906
01:43:27,720 --> 01:43:29,520
I got a baseball game.
Oh, I got to do this.

1907
01:43:29,720 --> 01:43:32,840
Oh my gosh, all this.
Anyway, dude, every conversation

1908
01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:36,600
I have with you is you have all
this stuff, right?

1909
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:41,120
You, you got to knock it off.
And then there's those that are

1910
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:45,360
right, planted in good soil.
And from there comes some 30,

1911
01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:47,320
some 60, some one hundredfold,
right?

1912
01:43:47,320 --> 01:43:50,040
It's called equivalence of form.
Right.

1913
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:51,400
I get it.
I get.

1914
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:52,960
So it's so.
Yeah.

1915
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:56,120
So you're not taking.
None of them are wrong, just.

1916
01:43:56,120 --> 01:43:59,040
Don't take crap out when you
don't know, right?

1917
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:02,040
Right.
And so kind of the overall thing

1918
01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:05,000
you're trying to to drive home
here is that what what you're

1919
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:11,040
basically trying to teach people
is how to extract, extract more

1920
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:15,680
meaning, right than than just
the literal interpretation

1921
01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:18,240
thereof, right?
Because that's what creates the

1922
01:44:18,240 --> 01:44:20,520
growth.
Gotcha, right.

1923
01:44:20,520 --> 01:44:23,040
That's the whole point.
If we're here to understand and

1924
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:27,480
be kings and Queens and priests
and right priestesses and all

1925
01:44:27,480 --> 01:44:30,960
that kind of stuff, if we don't
speak the tongue of angels, we

1926
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:34,640
don't, we don't get that well.
And see that that opens up

1927
01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:40,120
something else here too, right?
Which is that could again,

1928
01:44:40,120 --> 01:44:43,400
there's the literal meaning
which which is true, right?

1929
01:44:43,400 --> 01:44:48,560
But as we start looking at it's,
you know, looking at it a little

1930
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:51,480
more closely and we draw out a
few more things.

1931
01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:56,520
Would I draw out of something at
one particular time may not be

1932
01:44:56,520 --> 01:44:58,920
what you draw out at that
particular time.

1933
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:04,000
And both are useful to eat, you
know, to one another one. 100%

1934
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:06,480
based.
There so it's not Even so much

1935
01:45:06,480 --> 01:45:13,760
about finding quote the right
answer, but finding drawing out

1936
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:16,280
whatever meaning you can from.
It's the for me.

1937
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:18,760
It's the mechanism and the
mechanics and the measuring

1938
01:45:18,760 --> 01:45:20,080
metrics.
That's.

1939
01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:25,120
What it is my job is to teach
that that way people can

1940
01:45:25,120 --> 01:45:28,560
actually keep extrapolating
right until then there.

1941
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:30,600
What happens when you go to
church is people will go.

1942
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:32,960
I know what that means.
And they're collecting it like

1943
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:35,360
Easter eggs.
And you're like, yeah, and you

1944
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:37,480
ate the candy out of them.
And now you're using this goofy

1945
01:45:37,480 --> 01:45:40,240
pink, purple, yellow, blue shell
plastic.

1946
01:45:40,240 --> 01:45:42,000
It means nothing.
And then you put them on your

1947
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:43,640
wall and you're like, oh, I know
the doctrine.

1948
01:45:44,200 --> 01:45:49,720
And then I just go, yeah, no.
Because you know a piece of the

1949
01:45:49,720 --> 01:45:53,280
doctrine you.
Know you know the base, base,

1950
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:57,520
base level and you don't know
Sod.

1951
01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:01,320
And Sod means secrets and
mysteries.

1952
01:46:01,640 --> 01:46:04,720
So if you don't know them and,
and remember some of the like

1953
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:07,440
some of the stuff that I'm
talking about, we're just

1954
01:46:07,440 --> 01:46:10,160
talking about it 'cause we can
have this conversation, it's

1955
01:46:10,160 --> 01:46:12,880
going to hit people differently.
Some people go that's bunch of

1956
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:15,440
BS.
And I always caution people to

1957
01:46:15,440 --> 01:46:18,200
say I don't do that when people
share.

1958
01:46:18,320 --> 01:46:20,560
Why?
Because look, you, I'm a guy

1959
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:24,360
that's that's still in the LDS
church.

1960
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:29,240
Temple card carrying member
right and who've had such

1961
01:46:29,240 --> 01:46:31,640
enormous experiences that I
should have left this thing a

1962
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:36,840
million years ago, so to speak
right and and I and I look at

1963
01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:38,040
that and people go, why don't
you leave?

1964
01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:40,120
Well, this is my battlefield.
This is where God put me.

1965
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:42,400
But at the same time you're a
fundamentalist.

1966
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:45,520
Technically speaking, we
shouldn't I mean, technically

1967
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:48,400
speaking, we we get along
perfectly, but for many people

1968
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:52,840
they'd have a heart attack.
So when I tell these guys, I'm

1969
01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:58,000
just saying what's always funny
to me is that most people see

1970
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:01,280
talking to you and having this
discussion is not staying in the

1971
01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:03,320
boat fair.
Why?

1972
01:47:03,320 --> 01:47:08,400
Because we're all of this Jacob
5, right?

1973
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:10,120
Here's this is the thing I tell
people all the time.

1974
01:47:10,120 --> 01:47:12,560
When you watch this and you
remember this is the the

1975
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:14,840
allegory of the of the of the
olive tree and the vineyard.

1976
01:47:14,840 --> 01:47:16,720
People always go.
This is the thing that drives

1977
01:47:16,720 --> 01:47:19,160
everybody nuts.
It's like worse than Isaiah and

1978
01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:20,960
you know, the prophet.
What is it?

1979
01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:22,200
Zenith or zenith?
I can't remember.

1980
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:24,080
I think it's zenith.
You know, he puts that out there

1981
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:26,760
and he's probably sitting there
going, dude, they think, they

1982
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:28,520
think Isaiah is bad.
Watch.

1983
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:31,800
This and he but here's the deal
when you read through it at the

1984
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:35,400
very end, what happens what
happens is the the master of the

1985
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:39,360
vineyard saying there's no good
fruit none like none.

1986
01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:41,680
What could I have done more in
my vineyard.

1987
01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:45,640
So when I explain that to people
I'm like quit acting like you

1988
01:47:45,680 --> 01:47:48,600
have good fruit.
Why the Lord said there's none

1989
01:47:49,240 --> 01:47:52,840
and then here's the other thing.
He goes then then what happens

1990
01:47:52,840 --> 01:47:58,400
to the rules change because now
the servant proffers the

1991
01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:00,520
strategy.
He goes, well, master spared a

1992
01:48:00,520 --> 01:48:02,920
little longer.
That's kind of interesting.

1993
01:48:02,920 --> 01:48:04,080
People have a lot of their
takes.

1994
01:48:04,320 --> 01:48:07,760
But if we're supposed to be like
the Lord, we're supposed to take

1995
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:13,120
on those things.
Then we start out as listening

1996
01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:16,480
to the master, the vineyard as a
servant, and then we shift

1997
01:48:16,480 --> 01:48:18,680
because we have skill.
And then after a while, what

1998
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:20,600
happens?
We become, oh, you mean I

1999
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:24,200
created Adam, you in my image.
So go multiply and replenish

2000
01:48:24,200 --> 01:48:27,160
their become like me you, you're
going to watch that shift in

2001
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:29,320
Jacob 5.
And So what happens He says

2002
01:48:29,320 --> 01:48:32,840
master, is it promise?
Just spare it a little longer.

2003
01:48:33,200 --> 01:48:35,920
Who makes the call?
Not the master of the vineyard.

2004
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:40,680
The servant makes the call, the
Lord saying just burn it all I'm

2005
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:42,760
done.
And then the master, which I

2006
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:45,120
think is an interesting flip,
right?

2007
01:48:45,120 --> 01:48:49,160
The servant says master, spare
it a little longer and he goes,

2008
01:48:49,400 --> 01:48:53,920
is it probable or plausible?
I'm paraphrasing that it's

2009
01:48:53,920 --> 01:48:56,360
because of the loftiness of the
vineyard that there's no good

2010
01:48:56,360 --> 01:48:59,880
fruit.
See, master the The branches

2011
01:48:59,880 --> 01:49:02,400
have gained strength unto
themselves, but the roots are

2012
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:06,120
still good.
OK, we'll spare a little longer.

2013
01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:09,600
And then comes the strategy.
Let's go out and clip the

2014
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:15,120
branches just enough so that the
good can overtake the evil.

2015
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:19,880
Not so much, right that you
right, just just enough to give

2016
01:49:19,880 --> 01:49:24,120
the the roots and the strength
of the goodness to overcome it,

2017
01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:26,320
right.
Do that.

2018
01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:27,720
And then once they do it, it
works.

2019
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:29,760
They get good fruit.
And then the master, the

2020
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:33,920
vineyard goes, you know what, go
call all the other servants,

2021
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:36,480
rinse and repeat.
This is the last time we'll work

2022
01:49:36,480 --> 01:49:40,800
in the vineyard.
OK, So what are the actual

2023
01:49:41,160 --> 01:49:46,360
modern day mechanics of that?
Well, part of it is people

2024
01:49:46,360 --> 01:49:49,560
misunderstand the commandments
in the word of God because of

2025
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:52,200
their own interpretations.
It's good for men to be learning

2026
01:49:52,200 --> 01:49:53,720
as long as they.
And then they say, oh, listen to

2027
01:49:53,720 --> 01:49:54,920
the spirit.
Well, yeah, but if you're

2028
01:49:54,920 --> 01:50:01,480
listening to the Spirit is
mechanism #1 you didn't finish

2029
01:50:01,480 --> 01:50:07,560
it, so you're just planting
right Things that you don't

2030
01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:09,120
know.
So it's just everywhere.

2031
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:14,720
So the point is, is part of that
for me is instructing.

2032
01:50:14,720 --> 01:50:17,920
And then what happens is people
can clip that and go, oh, that's

2033
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:20,240
what the Lord saying.
And they go that way.

2034
01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:23,160
I'm not beholden.
And that's the problem that the

2035
01:50:23,160 --> 01:50:25,200
Jews had in the back, right?
They, they thought this is the

2036
01:50:25,200 --> 01:50:27,480
way it is.
The word of God is immutable and

2037
01:50:27,480 --> 01:50:30,920
this is the way it works.
And they were wrong, right, that

2038
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:33,200
it had been misinterpreted and
things that they were doing

2039
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:37,000
were, you know, questionable to
a degree.

2040
01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:40,040
And so anyway, it's the same
exact thing.

2041
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:43,600
And we have to understand what
that means.

2042
01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:46,360
And in the end, right, the
servants that are all going to

2043
01:50:46,360 --> 01:50:51,080
do it are going to be those who
have clipped their own branches.

2044
01:50:52,480 --> 01:50:55,920
So the good overtakes the evil.
And then all of a sudden they

2045
01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:57,520
will be called to go out and do
the rest.

2046
01:50:58,360 --> 01:51:03,560
And, and everybody's version of
that in that format could be

2047
01:51:03,560 --> 01:51:05,800
very different, like my role,
and it might be very different,

2048
01:51:06,160 --> 01:51:07,600
your role, and it might be very
different.

2049
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:08,960
Why?
Because your battleground is

2050
01:51:08,960 --> 01:51:10,520
completely, completely different
than mine.

2051
01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:12,320
Right.
Right.

2052
01:51:12,320 --> 01:51:14,880
I'm still in here.
You're, you're right.

2053
01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:18,040
So the ability for us to talk
and to get on that makes all the

2054
01:51:18,040 --> 01:51:20,360
difference in the world to
people, right?

2055
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:23,320
Right.
Yeah, I.

2056
01:51:23,320 --> 01:51:27,480
Love the thing I love about
talking with people that have

2057
01:51:27,480 --> 01:51:31,800
your guys's background is for
the Joshua Ericsson, his people,

2058
01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:33,840
everything.
It's like I said, they're the

2059
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:38,520
people that are studying and
still and it's and and working

2060
01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:41,800
on truth.
They're open to the Lord to talk

2061
01:51:41,800 --> 01:51:45,600
to them, whereas everybody
sometimes over here is like,

2062
01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:48,320
Nope, this is what I was told
and that's the way it is and

2063
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:50,240
nothing else.
Gotcha.

2064
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:53,200
And then that stuff keeps
changing all the time.

2065
01:51:53,600 --> 01:51:55,600
And so now you're like, I can't
really do much.

2066
01:51:55,800 --> 01:52:00,800
So my job is to be in here and,
and just kind of pull people

2067
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:05,040
right as they, as they start,
seemingly start to fall apart

2068
01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:08,240
because they do, as you know,
70% of those people are leaving

2069
01:52:08,720 --> 01:52:10,280
and they're leaving because they
don't have an answer.

2070
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:14,400
And what they need is the, the
process to go, oh, here's the

2071
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:16,160
mechanisms.
It's 1230.

2072
01:52:16,280 --> 01:52:18,560
OK, I'm not here to tell them
the answer.

2073
01:52:19,160 --> 01:52:22,160
I'm here to show them the
mechanism to go get the.

2074
01:52:22,560 --> 01:52:24,000
Answer right.
Here's how you can find it

2075
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:27,000
which.
Which I think is so, so

2076
01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:29,400
important.
Right, back to a kind of coming

2077
01:52:29,400 --> 01:52:31,120
full circle from where we
started.

2078
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:36,520
The ability to think critically,
right is, is something that

2079
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:39,560
we're sorely lacking in society
today at large.

2080
01:52:40,200 --> 01:52:43,960
And, and again, it's only
through that, that ability to,

2081
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:48,120
to think differently, to, to be
able to parse these ideas out.

2082
01:52:49,320 --> 01:52:54,680
Who's really good at?
That is, is the the the Canadian

2083
01:52:54,680 --> 01:52:57,920
psychologist Jordan Peterson OH.
Peterson, yeah, he's good at.

2084
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:01,120
That right, he sees he, he
extracts things out of there

2085
01:53:01,480 --> 01:53:05,080
that I don't know very many
Mormons who'd be like, well,

2086
01:53:05,080 --> 01:53:08,520
it's not necessarily what I
think it means, but I can see

2087
01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:10,480
how you can got there.
And there's value in that,

2088
01:53:10,480 --> 01:53:11,200
right?
Let's put it.

2089
01:53:11,240 --> 01:53:14,280
This way, whether his
interpretation is exactly the

2090
01:53:14,280 --> 01:53:18,280
way people think it should be,
the advice works exactly.

2091
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:20,800
Right.
And so think about what you're

2092
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:24,000
saying and that and and I'll
proffer this what you're talking

2093
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:28,800
about is it could it couldn't it
be applied to DNC and I where

2094
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:32,080
where the Lord is telling Oliver
once again circle back to this

2095
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:34,760
Oliver.
You haven't you haven't

2096
01:53:34,760 --> 01:53:38,200
continued as you started.
You need to study it out in your

2097
01:53:38,200 --> 01:53:43,320
mind and then ask me if it be
right and what we keep doing

2098
01:53:43,560 --> 01:53:48,520
because you and what did he say?
You took no thought but to ask

2099
01:53:48,520 --> 01:53:52,440
me.
Yeah, that's that's daddy.

2100
01:53:52,920 --> 01:53:54,280
What?
What's the answer to this

2101
01:53:54,280 --> 01:53:57,280
problem?
And you can either tell them the

2102
01:53:57,280 --> 01:54:00,640
answer or you can say, son, you
seem to be struggling with math.

2103
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:02,920
Let me what?
What is it that you're

2104
01:54:02,920 --> 01:54:06,000
struggling with?
OK, let's find a way for you to

2105
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:09,360
understand the process so you
can work the problem and

2106
01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:13,320
actually obtain knowledge and.
And that's that's the other

2107
01:54:13,320 --> 01:54:14,440
thing.
I like what you're doing.

2108
01:54:14,440 --> 01:54:16,960
You're not saying that anyone
should come up with the same

2109
01:54:17,360 --> 01:54:20,160
interpretation you are.
You're simply there to help them

2110
01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:24,720
have the tools to be able to get
their own answer from God.

2111
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:26,000
Yeah.
That's the point, right?

2112
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:29,800
Because God is how unsearchable
are his mysteries, right?

2113
01:54:29,920 --> 01:54:31,520
Jacob said.
That's it's all sitting right

2114
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:34,000
there and Jacob, right, he's
talking about that whole entire

2115
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:37,080
thing because why is the stuff
I'm talking about delivered to

2116
01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:41,560
me when I talk about the concept
of Genesis and Adam and Eve and

2117
01:54:41,560 --> 01:54:44,480
that structure?
When I talk about that to

2118
01:54:44,480 --> 01:54:46,640
people, I'm not telling
everybody that.

2119
01:54:47,160 --> 01:54:52,200
I'm talking to people who are
struggling with that concept and

2120
01:54:52,200 --> 01:54:55,720
feeling pushed out because they
feel like they have to be some

2121
01:54:55,720 --> 01:54:59,760
subservient idiot and there's
nothing in them that's like that

2122
01:54:59,920 --> 01:55:01,560
very strong women, very
whatever.

2123
01:55:01,880 --> 01:55:03,320
And I'm like, that's not what
that means.

2124
01:55:03,600 --> 01:55:07,880
And when I explain that to them
at that point, can it mean many

2125
01:55:07,880 --> 01:55:08,840
other things?
Absolutely.

2126
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:12,440
I've got lots of different
things that come from that Lego

2127
01:55:12,440 --> 01:55:14,760
build.
The point is, is when I explain

2128
01:55:14,760 --> 01:55:22,160
that to them, they go, oh, and
now all of a sudden that huge

2129
01:55:22,160 --> 01:55:27,760
gap and problem that they have
with God gone, it's gone.

2130
01:55:28,720 --> 01:55:33,240
They have peace because they
finally make sense to them.

2131
01:55:33,960 --> 01:55:37,880
But I can I can talk about that
a whole bunch of different ways,

2132
01:55:38,360 --> 01:55:39,920
right?
And when people go, well, that

2133
01:55:39,920 --> 01:55:42,560
that's not the way it works.
OK, well, then you need to

2134
01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:46,240
understand Bezelow, right?
This is the shirt I wear all the

2135
01:55:46,240 --> 01:55:47,800
time.
Is is this one.

2136
01:55:47,880 --> 01:55:51,760
It's 12/12.
Right. 1212 stands for bezel or

2137
01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:57,880
bezel, bezel and bezel.
Same guy was the individual that

2138
01:55:57,880 --> 01:56:04,160
God gave to Moses to architect,
chief architect and designed the

2139
01:56:04,160 --> 01:56:08,120
Tabernacle and everything in it.
And then he had a he had a

2140
01:56:08,120 --> 01:56:09,840
another guy with him called the
Holy up.

2141
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:14,720
And when it's all said and done,
right, that number 1212 stands

2142
01:56:14,720 --> 01:56:17,760
for that.
It's, it's, it's indicative of

2143
01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:19,280
him.
And then it's lamed Lamad, which

2144
01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:23,160
is really interesting, right?
So, and so he taught US1 having

2145
01:56:23,160 --> 01:56:25,480
authority, right?
That's what lamad means.

2146
01:56:26,280 --> 01:56:30,160
And so when you understand who
besalal is or besalal, then you

2147
01:56:30,160 --> 01:56:34,320
start to go to 1st Nephi 21
verse 2, right?

2148
01:56:34,640 --> 01:56:39,000
And then you start to
understanding in the end, not

2149
01:56:39,000 --> 01:56:40,800
and, and, and everybody has a
different format of that.

2150
01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:43,760
But when you're going through
that and you go, OK, well, let's

2151
01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:48,080
go, let's go to that.
And you go, OK, here's first

2152
01:56:48,080 --> 01:56:50,480
Nephi 21 verse 2, which we all
know that, right?

2153
01:56:50,480 --> 01:56:53,200
That's Isaiah 49.
And he has made my mouth like a

2154
01:56:53,200 --> 01:56:56,320
sharp sword in the shadow of his
hand hath he hid me, and he made

2155
01:56:56,320 --> 01:57:00,760
me a polished shaft in the
quiver hath he hid me, and said

2156
01:57:00,760 --> 01:57:03,200
unto me, Thou art my servant, O
Israel, in whom I will be

2157
01:57:03,200 --> 01:57:05,960
glorified.
So when you look at that and you

2158
01:57:05,960 --> 01:57:09,160
go, right, that's that's
attached, that's the shadow.

2159
01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:13,480
Well, the shadow is directly
attached to in Hebrew to Bezelo

2160
01:57:14,240 --> 01:57:19,320
and Betzalah was a master of the
use of the Hebrew aleph bet in

2161
01:57:19,320 --> 01:57:23,400
order to create and build for
the purpose that it was needed,

2162
01:57:23,960 --> 01:57:28,120
right?
In the end, it's good if the

2163
01:57:28,120 --> 01:57:33,200
results of it are good if I have
resolved not in a made-up

2164
01:57:33,200 --> 01:57:35,160
interpretation.
This is all can be backed up by

2165
01:57:35,160 --> 01:57:37,560
scripture, scripture, scripture
forever on every platform.

2166
01:57:37,560 --> 01:57:41,240
I'll use the the the Quran
doesn't make any difference to

2167
01:57:41,240 --> 01:57:43,600
me.
It's all the same to me, right?

2168
01:57:44,120 --> 01:57:48,640
And so when you do that and you
can create with that, then you

2169
01:57:48,640 --> 01:57:50,400
can resolve.
And it's not fake.

2170
01:57:50,400 --> 01:57:52,440
It's not, it's not, right?
Because God speaks to people

2171
01:57:52,440 --> 01:57:54,760
differently, right?
My job and your job is

2172
01:57:54,760 --> 01:57:57,280
completely different.
So I can't say to you, why are

2173
01:57:57,280 --> 01:58:00,560
you a pitcher?
Because I'm not a pitcher.

2174
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:02,080
Why?
Because I like playing

2175
01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:04,760
shortstop, man.
I'm freaking good at it, right?

2176
01:58:05,240 --> 01:58:06,520
Some guys are like, I'm a
catcher.

2177
01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:08,200
Why?
Because I've got really good

2178
01:58:08,200 --> 01:58:11,800
hands and I don't mind 100 mile
an hour ball coming out with a

2179
01:58:11,800 --> 01:58:13,760
guy with a big deal with a bat,
right.

2180
01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:15,120
Everybody's got a different
thing.

2181
01:58:15,160 --> 01:58:17,640
And what happens a lot of times
is the competition of

2182
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:19,360
individuals like that's not
right.

2183
01:58:19,600 --> 01:58:22,680
I'm right.
It's possible that you're all

2184
01:58:22,680 --> 01:58:25,400
right.
It's just that your assignment

2185
01:58:25,480 --> 01:58:27,360
as the pitcher is not the same
as the catcher.

2186
01:58:27,640 --> 01:58:30,240
So why are you looking at the
guy guy telling him he's wrong?

2187
01:58:31,400 --> 01:58:34,880
How do you pitch like that?
All that gear on and I look at

2188
01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:37,520
that and I go, yeah.
And that's called not be, not,

2189
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:39,560
no, be, not no understanding,
not being very wise.

2190
01:58:40,600 --> 01:58:44,360
And yeah.
Especially given that that the

2191
01:58:44,360 --> 01:58:48,320
meaning you might draw out could
change depending on your

2192
01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:49,560
circumstances.
Right?

2193
01:58:49,560 --> 01:58:50,840
Yeah, you're.
Absolutely right.

2194
01:58:50,840 --> 01:58:52,680
You know that.
I mean, you've got probably tons

2195
01:58:52,680 --> 01:58:56,200
of examples of how certain
scriptures have adjusted

2196
01:58:56,200 --> 01:58:59,320
themselves the whole time.
So you can't ever say that the

2197
01:58:59,320 --> 01:59:01,040
first time is the right the only
time.

2198
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:02,400
Right.
Yep, it's not.

2199
01:59:02,400 --> 01:59:06,640
Set in stone the Lord.
There's matter unorganized.

2200
01:59:07,200 --> 01:59:09,320
Right.
And and I think it's worth

2201
01:59:09,320 --> 01:59:13,360
pointing out too, what you're
talking about is very

2202
01:59:13,360 --> 01:59:15,240
individualistic, right?
Yes.

2203
01:59:15,240 --> 01:59:20,840
It's not, it's not something you
could apply to a whole church,

2204
01:59:20,840 --> 01:59:22,880
right.
This is working on the micro,

2205
01:59:22,880 --> 01:59:24,640
not the macro, right?
Yeah.

2206
01:59:24,640 --> 01:59:27,480
Because you're.
You're dealing with people's

2207
01:59:28,200 --> 01:59:30,880
you're you're, you're helping
people understand how to draw

2208
01:59:30,880 --> 01:59:35,000
out meaning from the scriptures
wherever they're at in that walk

2209
01:59:35,000 --> 01:59:36,520
and discipleship.
Yeah.

2210
01:59:36,520 --> 01:59:39,520
'Cause every bit of it is is
fractal.

2211
01:59:39,720 --> 01:59:43,880
Now where are you on that path?
Well, that's up to you that we

2212
01:59:43,880 --> 01:59:45,560
don't know that's everybody's
individual thing.

2213
01:59:45,560 --> 01:59:50,200
But but in the end, right.
I tell people one of the things

2214
01:59:50,200 --> 01:59:53,280
that happens if we're to gather
the House of Israel, you need to

2215
01:59:53,280 --> 01:59:59,040
understand the concept of what a
Jew is in the OR Yehuda what it

2216
01:59:59,040 --> 02:00:04,880
what that is in the sense of of.
Like ancient Kabbalistic

2217
02:00:05,320 --> 02:00:08,600
Judaism.
And it's not a function of being

2218
02:00:08,640 --> 02:00:12,640
genetically Jewish, even though
I'm actually genetically Jewish.

2219
02:00:12,640 --> 02:00:16,080
I'm by genetics.
I'm an Ashkenazi and a

2220
02:00:16,120 --> 02:00:18,960
Sephardic.
So I've got kind of both of

2221
02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:21,320
those Southern and northern
bloodlines running in.

2222
02:00:21,960 --> 02:00:25,560
And so in doing that, I am
physically, genetically Jewish.

2223
02:00:25,960 --> 02:00:31,360
But to be Yehuda, to be a Jew,
is to have all of the attributes

2224
02:00:31,360 --> 02:00:35,040
developed in you, because if we
understand how you who they

2225
02:00:35,040 --> 02:00:39,120
spelled, then you have the
elements of God's name, yothe

2226
02:00:39,120 --> 02:00:43,320
vape in your name.
So you are to be of God, be

2227
02:00:43,320 --> 02:00:45,600
therefore perfect, even as I am
my father and never perfect.

2228
02:00:45,760 --> 02:00:48,680
That's what being a Jew actually
really means, right?

2229
02:00:48,680 --> 02:00:50,040
And so we don't think of it that
way.

2230
02:00:50,040 --> 02:00:52,960
Most people and Christians will
look at it and go because they

2231
02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:56,320
don't know anything about
ancient Judaism and the trueness

2232
02:00:56,320 --> 02:00:58,480
of of parts of Judaism.
So they don't realize that

2233
02:00:58,480 --> 02:01:00,680
that's that's the format of it.
You understand that when you

2234
02:01:00,680 --> 02:01:02,440
understand the language, you
understand it when you

2235
02:01:02,440 --> 02:01:04,920
understand the depth of the
ancient part of the language and

2236
02:01:04,920 --> 02:01:06,240
then you realize that's what it
means.

2237
02:01:06,400 --> 02:01:10,800
So that being said, everybody
identifies when I talk about

2238
02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:12,840
things.
I said everybody identifies with

2239
02:01:12,840 --> 02:01:15,120
a different tribe because of all
of their personalities and

2240
02:01:15,120 --> 02:01:17,360
everything that goes on.
God created the perfect

2241
02:01:17,360 --> 02:01:19,920
organizational system when it
came to organizational

2242
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:21,400
psychology did in the camp of
Israel.

2243
02:01:21,400 --> 02:01:27,280
He validates it right there.
And so in the end, you're right.

2244
02:01:27,320 --> 02:01:29,520
That's kind of the the main
concept for me.

2245
02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:32,880
I just want to teach people a
mechanics and mechanisms and

2246
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:35,320
measuring metrics.
And then they get to go out and

2247
02:01:35,320 --> 02:01:37,760
really conduct all the tests
themselves, and the Lord can

2248
02:01:37,760 --> 02:01:39,080
tell them what He wants them to
do.

2249
02:01:39,680 --> 02:01:41,240
Got you.
Got you.

2250
02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:44,280
Well, dude, this has been
awesome.

2251
02:01:44,280 --> 02:01:46,880
Is there anything that you want
to touch on that we haven't?

2252
02:01:47,640 --> 02:01:50,800
Man, I just I just want to
seriously thank you.

2253
02:01:51,640 --> 02:01:57,920
I have feel greatly blessed to
have conversations with with men

2254
02:01:57,920 --> 02:02:01,760
like you.
It's it's refreshing and the

2255
02:02:01,760 --> 02:02:07,080
ability to just be able to talk
about things that are critical

2256
02:02:07,080 --> 02:02:10,040
in nature and everybody's path
and journey to the Lord.

2257
02:02:10,840 --> 02:02:14,320
And it's like we said, some
people I've watched walk off

2258
02:02:15,640 --> 02:02:17,440
anyway so yeah.
So I just wanted to say thank

2259
02:02:17,440 --> 02:02:20,120
you for that because I.
Appreciate you coming on.

2260
02:02:20,120 --> 02:02:24,960
So I know it can always be maybe
not so much for you, but for

2261
02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:28,080
other folks, it's always a bit
taxing when you're like, you

2262
02:02:28,080 --> 02:02:30,480
want to come talk to the Fundy
guy on the podcast?

2263
02:02:30,480 --> 02:02:32,200
Dude I.
I think it's, I think it's

2264
02:02:32,200 --> 02:02:34,680
fantastic.
I wish we had more panels like

2265
02:02:34,680 --> 02:02:38,160
that because then people could
look at it and go, hey man, this

2266
02:02:38,160 --> 02:02:41,280
is a right.
Yeah, but.

2267
02:02:41,720 --> 02:02:44,240
They paint you guys out to be
scary monsters and you're like,

2268
02:02:44,240 --> 02:02:45,560
come on, man.
Well.

2269
02:02:45,720 --> 02:02:49,960
Well, I I get it too right too.
But Warren Jeffs didn't help us

2270
02:02:49,960 --> 02:02:52,080
out none, right?
No, that's fair.

2271
02:02:52,520 --> 02:02:54,720
Fair like that, that we got
those guys too, man.

2272
02:02:56,520 --> 02:03:02,400
Yeah, we yeah, it went right it.
Can't, it can be tough that, you

2273
02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:05,080
know, you always encounter the
stereotype, you know, the

2274
02:03:05,080 --> 02:03:08,760
stereotypes and whatnot.
But yeah, you know, look, I got,

2275
02:03:09,360 --> 02:03:12,560
I got a good friend and he's
like, so let me get this

2276
02:03:12,560 --> 02:03:14,520
straight.
You're, you're going to be a

2277
02:03:14,520 --> 02:03:17,320
Mormon fundamentalist.
I'm like, yeah, that's, that's

2278
02:03:17,320 --> 02:03:22,320
kind of what I believe.
And he goes, so are you going to

2279
02:03:22,320 --> 02:03:25,600
make Amber dress dress up in
those Prairie dresses?

2280
02:03:25,600 --> 02:03:28,800
And I'm like, no, no, what's
going to go get out of here,

2281
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:30,200
Right.
No, that's not what I do.

2282
02:03:30,800 --> 02:03:35,240
If we could, I feel like if we
could just break that stereotype

2283
02:03:35,240 --> 02:03:37,000
a little.
We would be.

2284
02:03:37,120 --> 02:03:40,120
We would.
Be we would be be good to go so

2285
02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:41,920
it's OK man.
Mormon wives didn't help us

2286
02:03:41,920 --> 02:03:44,880
either.
No, dude, that's the other one,

2287
02:03:44,920 --> 02:03:47,120
right?
Like, so whatever happened to

2288
02:03:47,120 --> 02:03:49,000
you guys, man?
We we're getting in spades

2289
02:03:49,000 --> 02:03:51,280
because that crap's on Netflix,
Yeah.

2290
02:03:51,600 --> 02:03:54,480
Yeah, I, I haven't even looked
at it, bro.

2291
02:03:54,680 --> 02:04:00,160
I looked at that and I'm like,
no, no, for one, you know, that

2292
02:04:00,160 --> 02:04:02,840
was one of those things where
I'm like, I'm glad they're still

2293
02:04:02,840 --> 02:04:06,520
in the LDS Church because I can
just honestly say not my, you

2294
02:04:06,520 --> 02:04:09,280
know, not my monkeys, not my
circus, Right?

2295
02:04:09,400 --> 02:04:10,400
Yeah, No.
Fair enough.

2296
02:04:10,680 --> 02:04:12,040
Hey, can I shout?
I want to shout out.

2297
02:04:12,040 --> 02:04:14,760
Is it cool if I shout out to?
Well, I remember you can edit

2298
02:04:14,760 --> 02:04:16,160
it.
Shout out to Jeff Foley.

2299
02:04:16,160 --> 02:04:19,480
I want to shout out to Joshua
Erickson again, and also Jeff,

2300
02:04:19,560 --> 02:04:24,480
who I think is just a funny guy
and a really nice guy, one of

2301
02:04:24,480 --> 02:04:27,120
the nicest guys I've ever met.
Sure, I've met the gentleman a

2302
02:04:27,120 --> 02:04:28,160
few times.
Good guy.

2303
02:04:28,760 --> 02:04:33,040
So it's the the circles are are
pretty small actually.

2304
02:04:33,720 --> 02:04:36,120
And yeah.
Yeah, You know, it's funny

2305
02:04:36,120 --> 02:04:40,320
because in the end, about a year
and a half ago, I had, I was

2306
02:04:40,320 --> 02:04:44,080
just telling my guys this and I
had had, so we had, we had

2307
02:04:44,080 --> 02:04:51,240
designed a, a pistol for some
DoD contracts and because that's

2308
02:04:51,240 --> 02:04:55,680
part of what I do weapons design
and for DoD guys and name

2309
02:04:55,680 --> 02:04:59,040
withheld missions.
And so anyway, so I'd done that

2310
02:04:59,040 --> 02:05:01,600
and it just come out.
They sent me two and I was going

2311
02:05:01,600 --> 02:05:04,360
to go, go in to go do the review
and, and go out to the ranch and

2312
02:05:04,360 --> 02:05:06,280
shoot it.
So I was on the way out there

2313
02:05:06,280 --> 02:05:08,040
and I was all the stuff I'd been
talking about.

2314
02:05:08,040 --> 02:05:10,680
I've been, you know, I have some
connections inside, you know,

2315
02:05:10,680 --> 02:05:13,840
church places and, and I've been
talking to guys and I, I sent

2316
02:05:13,840 --> 02:05:19,160
like 15 books up to up to the
brethren because I have some

2317
02:05:19,160 --> 02:05:22,120
access there.
And, and it's so all that stuff

2318
02:05:22,120 --> 02:05:24,360
is kind of funny.
And, and so as I'm driving, I'm

2319
02:05:24,360 --> 02:05:25,560
not getting any connectivity of
them.

2320
02:05:25,560 --> 02:05:28,840
You guys need to and they're
like, Nope, I even tried out.

2321
02:05:28,840 --> 02:05:30,200
I was like, let let me teach
seminary.

2322
02:05:30,360 --> 02:05:34,920
Nope.
A guy that the guy with my

2323
02:05:34,920 --> 02:05:37,360
background, the church is so
funny that I spoke at CES and

2324
02:05:37,360 --> 02:05:39,880
did all this stuff for years.
And, and so anyway, what was

2325
02:05:39,880 --> 02:05:45,120
funny is I'm, I'm driving out to
Cokeville and a border Wyoming.

2326
02:05:45,640 --> 02:05:48,920
And as I'm driving out there,
I'm going through this and, and

2327
02:05:49,040 --> 02:05:51,680
I'm not kidding, like literally
I'm sitting there and as I'm

2328
02:05:51,680 --> 02:05:57,400
driving this whole entire
thought and kind of, I'm not

2329
02:05:57,400 --> 02:05:59,680
going to say vision, but just
this whole thing I saw in my

2330
02:05:59,680 --> 02:06:04,040
head.
And it was go talk to the

2331
02:06:04,280 --> 02:06:09,280
fundamentals, the RLDS guys, the
like all the people that are not

2332
02:06:09,280 --> 02:06:12,360
in the mainstream and start
talking to those guys.

2333
02:06:13,080 --> 02:06:17,960
And I went what?
And I was on the phone with my

2334
02:06:17,960 --> 02:06:19,360
buddy James.
I was just talking about him

2335
02:06:19,360 --> 02:06:20,320
today.
You were.

2336
02:06:20,440 --> 02:06:22,160
You were like.
Why would I go talk to them?

2337
02:06:22,160 --> 02:06:23,760
Their wives don't wear rear
dresses.

2338
02:06:23,920 --> 02:06:25,520
It's like.
What, Why would I talk to those

2339
02:06:25,520 --> 02:06:27,400
guys?
I'm like, they don't, I mean, I

2340
02:06:27,400 --> 02:06:29,080
don't blame them in the position
that they're at.

2341
02:06:29,080 --> 02:06:30,760
They kind of want to, you know,
whack us.

2342
02:06:30,760 --> 02:06:32,160
And I feel like we kind of took
advantage of.

2343
02:06:32,320 --> 02:06:36,000
Financially.
And and so and so in the end I

2344
02:06:36,000 --> 02:06:38,120
thought that's interesting.
So here's the thing.

2345
02:06:38,160 --> 02:06:41,480
I went and started, first of
all, I later I met Jeff, but I

2346
02:06:41,480 --> 02:06:44,720
went and started calling all
kinds of guys and groups and

2347
02:06:44,720 --> 02:06:46,080
just 'cause I didn't know where
to start.

2348
02:06:46,360 --> 02:06:49,200
I didn't have it anyway.
And so and then every time I do

2349
02:06:49,200 --> 02:06:52,840
that, nobody would call.
Like I talked to a secretary and

2350
02:06:52,840 --> 02:06:56,520
nobody would ever call me back.
And I spent six months like

2351
02:06:56,920 --> 02:07:00,680
banging phones and I couldn't
get anybody to return my call.

2352
02:07:00,680 --> 02:07:02,840
And so I just went, OK, I'll
just wait.

2353
02:07:03,680 --> 02:07:07,480
I just let the seed go.
And then little by little, I

2354
02:07:07,480 --> 02:07:10,680
ended up talking to Joshua and
then you and then a bunch of

2355
02:07:10,680 --> 02:07:13,840
other guys.
I'm going to, I'm going to teach

2356
02:07:13,840 --> 02:07:21,400
on the 22nd to Denver Snuffers
group and you know, so the same

2357
02:07:21,400 --> 02:07:23,840
thing.
Yeah, I I probably wouldn't let

2358
02:07:23,840 --> 02:07:25,960
that group know that you were
just talking to a fun day.

2359
02:07:25,960 --> 02:07:26,640
You.
Oh no.

2360
02:07:26,680 --> 02:07:28,680
I know they're.
Not.

2361
02:07:29,520 --> 02:07:30,600
They'll probably have a heart
attack.

2362
02:07:30,720 --> 02:07:32,240
Yeah, they're.
They're not going to dig on that

2363
02:07:32,240 --> 02:07:35,040
too much, which is.
Which is one of those things I

2364
02:07:35,040 --> 02:07:37,200
keep saying everybody wants to.
Yep.

2365
02:07:37,200 --> 02:07:39,400
Right.
They leave a group because

2366
02:07:39,400 --> 02:07:41,440
they're mad, and then they
create their own group and do

2367
02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:43,080
the exact same thing.
Absolutely.

2368
02:07:43,080 --> 02:07:44,480
Yep.
Weird.

2369
02:07:44,880 --> 02:07:46,920
Well.
Anyway, man, this was.

2370
02:07:46,920 --> 02:07:49,560
Great.
Look, anytime you want to come

2371
02:07:49,560 --> 02:07:51,840
back on you just hit me up.
Once you've been on once you got

2372
02:07:51,840 --> 02:07:53,520
a standing invitation to come
back.

2373
02:07:53,520 --> 02:07:55,080
All right, I.
Appreciate that.

2374
02:07:55,080 --> 02:07:56,120
Thanks, buddy.
All right.

2375
02:07:56,120 --> 02:07:57,640
Man, hang out for just 5
minutes.

2376
02:07:57,760 --> 02:07:58,440
Yep.
Sure thing.

2377
02:07:58,520 --> 02:07:59,560
All right.
Bye everybody.

2378
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:27,080
The.