Episode #18 The Dream Mine W/Kevin Kraut

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On this episode, I have Kevin
Kraut back on the podcast.

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Today, we're going to talk about
a topic that isn't well known.

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Unless you're in fundamentalist
circles, that topic is the

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dream, mine and Salem Utah.
This mind has been the subject

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of Visions prophecy and one
man's excommunication from the

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LDS church, we break down the
history of the Mind, its current

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state, and also how it ties into
some people's end times

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theology.
Now personally, I haven't made

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up my mind if the stories
associated with the It's

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prophesied future production of
true.

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But nonetheless, it's a
fascinating story that's next on

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this episode of the Mormon
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So go check that out.
So in fundamentalism, there are

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a lot of Topics and there's it's
hard to track them all down.

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Now if you're in your car and
you're heading south on I-15 and

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you look over to your left about
and Salem, you're going to see

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up on that mountain, a great big
white building and that's a mine

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and believe you're not that mine
has a has a lot of

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fundamentalist ties to it.
And that's what we're going to

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talk about tonight is the In
mind and to help me do that

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again.
I brought on Kevin crowd because

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frankly Kevin's way smarter than
me and has a lot more knowledge

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to share on this episode.
So we're going to get into that.

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Kevin again, I'm grateful that
you're here, man.

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I'm glad to be here so real
quick, the dream, mine who

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started the dream mine.
Well, I guess if you look at it

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in the real depth of who started
the - goes back to the Nephites,

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right?
And others that brought gold and

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other records and other
histories up into these

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mountains up in Salem and
deposited them and any mountain

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and in a cave.
And, and that's who started the

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dream line.
In recent years, it was started

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by John Hiram coil, and he had
visited Visitation of two angels

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or the two of the three Nephites
that came to him and explain to

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him some of the history of the
mind and its purpose is in the

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last days.
So who was John coil?

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Exactly.
Okay.

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So John coil was a bishop.
He came around on the spot

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around the time of the
manifesto.

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So just after 1890 ish, we
started seeing Some activity at

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the Mind area, he started to
produce the mind and work on the

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mine.
Okay.

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So it wasn't unusual Bishop
because he had very powerful

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spiritual gifts.
Let's back up, just a touch.

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What was was John coil a devout
member of the LDS Church?

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He was and did he serve a
mission?

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He did, what kind of information
do we have about him during his

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you know, serving Mission his
mission and that sort of stuff?

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Well, what's interesting is that
John had made some and I've

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noticed this in spiritual people
when they kind of make a

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covenant with God, I'll do this.
If you do this and, you know,

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that kind of thing that kind of
Sparks off some of the

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spirituality in these
individuals and that's what

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happened with John coil.
He kind of made some promises to

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the Lord and he kind of always
had the gift of Dreams.

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He saw things and visions and
that kind of thing as well.

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And so, when he went on his
mission, it was in the southern

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states over kind of where the
Bible Belt was and his mission

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president was none other than
Jay Gould and Kimble.

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Okay.
The cursing Apostle, the cursing

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Apostle.
Yeah, gotcha.

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And so there were a lot of
interesting Parts there that as

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time, went by Bishop coil, had
seen in a dream, you know, and

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he went and told Jay Gould and
he says, I had this dream Jay

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Gould and they were looking for
a redhead guy.

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And you were given this talk,
and they came in the mob came in

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because that time mobs were
pretty much against the Mormons

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especially in the southern
baptist are, right?

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And so they came in and they
were going to kill you.

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They're going to take you out
and they did.

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Some people were killed.
They killed some missionaries,

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they did some pretty rough stuff
to some of the people.

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And so, so, you know, coil said
to be very careful.

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And so Mission president, sat
there for a little while, and

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Jay Gould and goes, you know,
maybe I better just not go to

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that meeting.
There's no re I can send

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somebody else, and so they sent
somebody else and he came in and

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he preached the thing.
And and sure enough, just like

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coil saw, they came busting
through the doors and they

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wanted to find that lanky
redhead, which was none other

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than Jay, Goldman and he wasn't
there.

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And it's to there are
disappointed.

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And so after that, Jay golden
would speed say, well, if you

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have any more of them prompting,
you just go ahead and tell me

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and he learned pretty quickly.
Yeah.

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And so there was kind of a real
interesting Process to happen

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with Bishop coil on his mind.
I do his mission, you know, that

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showed his spirituality.
Sure.

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So, John, and what about what
year would this have been then?

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Well, let's see.
It would have been 1880s

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somewhere in there during his
mission.

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It would have been the 1880 I
thinking around that time.

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Yeah.
Okay.

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Alright, so you get the feeling
that For lack of a better term.

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Coils of visionary, man.
Right.

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He's a man, who, who receives
dreams and and visions, and, and

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very much in keeping with that
early, Latter Day, Saint

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tradition, right?
Where, where we believe all men

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can receive Revelation.
They just have to be in the

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right place for it, so he's
obviously got that gift.

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So he completes his mission and
then he comes home.

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What what happens next with coil
as he comes home?

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Um, does he get married?
What, what happens?

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Yeah, he got married and kind of
settled down there in Spanish,

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work area and some of the area's
there and he was, you know, he

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had a cow one day and he
couldn't find it and he asked

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the Lord, you know, if you help
me find my cowl, I'll do

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anything for you.
And that was the Covenant right

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there.
And when you make that come to

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you better keep it with God.
And so a lot of things Wendy had

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a well that guy hit that day and
another indicator that what he

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was doing was correct and so
that Covenant went to work and

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then not long after that he he
went in and told his wife.

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Well it looks like I'm kind of
on a spiritual Mission now type

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thing and so he started into
this whole whole dream, mine

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process before we get there,
what kind of what kind of

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calling Did he hold in the LDS
church?

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Yeah, he was a bishop at that
time.

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Okay.
So and back in those days,

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Bishop didn't necessarily mean,
you were only going to serve

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five years.
I mean, that that that calling

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could go on for quite some time,
right?

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Very much.
Yes.

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Until they released you for some
reason or whatever.

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Yeah so so he's obviously
someone who has a certain amount

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of clout within leadership
because also in those days I

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mean the church was a lost.
All right, I mean we certainly

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had members down in Arizona and
up in Idaho and Scattered, but

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for the most part, you know, the
church was smaller.

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It was pretty well.
Contained to Utah.

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So in those days, if I'm not
mistaken, that really was a

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calling from the profit, if you
were going to be called to be a

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bishop, the prophet knew your
name.

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So this, this is a guy who's not
just simply a Oh, and doing my

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reading, he didn't seem to be a
guy who was just an anonymous

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guy out there.
People understood who he was,

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right, right.
So he's a bishop.

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He he, he makes a covenant with
the Lord, where he basically

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says, Lord, if you'll help me do
these things, I'll do whatever

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it is.
You ask me to do.

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So where does the dream mind
come from?

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Then at that point, how does the
dream mind enter John coils,

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life.
So he did, he did have two of

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the three Nephites the came to
him in the middle of the night.

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Well, and they came and visited
him and instructed him on.

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A lot of the Mind, what would be
done?

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How things were going to happen?
He saw a lot of things that he

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didn't talk about there were
things that some of that

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timeframe was was not to be
revealed and, and to be held on

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To at least into certain things
happen.

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But basically they instructed
him and said that the mind was

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there set up the gold was there
that the economy was going to

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crash some some future time and
it would be the second crash

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would be a horrifying crash and
that the people of the Earth

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would need to Gold to be brought
out and the gold was put there

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and Bishop well said, we only
had one year to lay up

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Provisions, just like Joseph in
Egypt.

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And what would happen is, is it
here in the Rocky Mountains that

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this would be a very pivotal
location for all the world.

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And, and according to what,
what?

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The White Horse prophecy said
that Joseph said, is that the

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Chinese would invade California?
The Russians would invade the

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east coast and they would come
together, but they wouldn't

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reach the Rocky Mountains.
They would reach and there would

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be all this.
But this would be one of the

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last places of peace and safety
is in the Rocky Mountains.

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So I think this is something
that's fairly interesting,

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right?
And look, I'll be honest, I

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haven't made up my mind for
certain on the dream mind yet or

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not.
But I find it interesting that

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he lays down a prophecy that at
the time he gives it seems

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pretty far-fetched, right?
During this time.

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Russia has controlled largely by
the czar's, right?

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And Russia and America have no
animosity towards each other.

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Each other America.
For the most part in the 1880s,

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is still a small player on the
international stage.

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It wouldn't be till after World
War one before we got any sort

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of International clout.
China was a closed-off society

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altogether that for the most
part minded their own business.

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So and now I think it's
interesting that we see that you

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know what, those two, those two
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aligned.
Right Russia and China.

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So I find it interesting that
back before there was any hint

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of either Russia or China being
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States, he makes that prophecy.
So he It's about a second crash.

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What was the first crash was
that the Great Depression was

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that, that was the Great
Depression, Bishop coil about

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five or six years before he
named the date, that that would

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happen.
He said on this day we're going

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to have a stock market crash and
it's going to be a horrible one.

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There was a person who went he
worked on on plumbing and stuff

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and he went down, there was a
boiler and He wrote the date on

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the boiler, you know, and really
another people recorded it.

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There was a banker, he went and
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and wrote the date, put it in
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and then he told coil, well
today's today is going to be the

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day that that happens and he
goes no no that's not right?

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It's it's tomorrow or the next
day or whatever and they so they

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went back and pulled it open.
He got the day off, Mr. Coyle

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said you got one more day, you
better get your stuff taken care

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of, you better get your, you
know, money and put it away and

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get it out of the banks and all
that kind of stuff what she did.

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And and so then the stock market
did crash exactly on the date.

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Now, what's interesting is my
dad, there's a gal.

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I can't remember her name, Dixon
or jeane Dixon or something?

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Anyway, she was the one that did
the crystal ball and the jaw.

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John Kennedy and others and she
was world famous.

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She had this gifts.
And since she's a little girl

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and she saw prophetic stuff and
dad was on a TTY or something

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with the military back and in
Washington area or something,

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and she was Back East.
So he got to go see her at a

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presentation.
They did.

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And she got up after and talk to
her and he told her about Bishop

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coil and what he saw and
different things and the date

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and the time What happened?
And she looked at him and she

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said now that is a true prophet.
Nobody hits a date.

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Wow.
And you know, you go back and

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look at even Prophet Joseph
Smith, he prophesied things, he

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saw things in the future, that
would happen.

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It was, he did hit some dates,
like he said, on this day, this

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is going to happen and that kind
of thing.

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And so so Joseph hit a few of
coil that this was a massive one

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be that far away from the date
that it happened.

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That's a miracle.
That's just crazy.

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So yeah, so he's hitting he's
not just telling you, things are

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going to happen.
He's giving a date.

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He said that's going to happen
this day and I'll be darned it

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happened that day.
Yep.

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So he's talking about a second
crash then that that's worse

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than the first and and it sounds
like in the way you described

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it, where the whole world would
be suffering, this is a global

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economic catastrophe.
Yes, did He ever give any dates

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associated with that?
Did he give any like things to

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look out for?
Hey, when this happens, it might

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be closed.
Did you give anything like that?

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Yeah, he's a second crash.
Never named an exact date.

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I've wondered why, but I think
it's because I prayed about it.

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It feels to me like things are
liquid.

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Can hook words, time can move a
little bit because the Russians

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aren't ready or this didn't get
done or people pray.

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Also changes the altar.
What's going in this direction,

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is a little bit of play there.
Where I think the first one was

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this is just going to be the
day, but he gave lots and lots

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of things to look out for for
the next crash.

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And, you know, there was there,
you know, I told people to keep

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gas in their tanks, he, he
explained what's going to

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happen, how the, how the
Russians and all these are

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coming.
You know what it will be.

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Be like, a lot of Devastation
people's bodies would be laid

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up.
They die.

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They lay them up, like cords,
would, you know, where the woods

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all stacked?
He saw that in the experiences,

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he saw some of the armies
invading they come to Salt Lake

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and that area and come all the
way down.

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And then they would come down to
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Is it fizzle out a little bit?
And then they'd come in to

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Salem, it feels a lot even more,
and none of them would cross

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what's called.
The High Line Canal.

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So the eye line Canal goes from
Salem and comes along.

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The Mountainside comes all the
way in front of Santaquin.

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You're just north of Santa corn
here and goes over to Genoa and

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then ends over by my house and a
pond.

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And so that's the end of The
High Line.

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Anybody Behind The High Line,
Canal would be safe.

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He says nothing would happen to
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And so so that was one of Them.
There are other economic

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indicators that he gives we
could get into some of those

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little more in detail and maybe
even another podcast where we

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can go into real detail, but
there were some very interesting

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things to look out for when the
second crash happens, Wow.

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Yeah.
I would like to hear a little

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bit about that.
We don't have to go into depth,

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but maybe what some of those are
before before we're done with

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this episode, because I think
it's good information to have,

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right?
So let's just bypass that for

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now.
So, he's, he's calling dates

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out, right?
I mean, he's obviously set now a

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pattern of being correct with
some of his dreams.

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And some of his visions and he's
obviously proving himself to be

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correct on those.
When he starts getting Visions

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about the dream mine, what is it
that he seen?

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He was showing three Nephites
show him that there's a water

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Canyon up on the the south side
and up.

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That water Canyon is how they
brought in the gold and on the

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one side and the north side of
that Canyon.

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There's an entrance way that
goes inside and that's where the

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cave entrance goes to.
And there's nine rooms in there,

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and those nine rooms are full.
All these different Gold

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Records, you know, all kinds of
different things brought in into

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those rooms that were sacred,
could be lots of other devices,

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possibly, there could be
liahona.

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There could be other things, we
don't know, it's all in there

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and then on the opposite side,
there was another one.

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Another cave entrance that went
in and that was brought in now,

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they told him don't go in either
one of those because especially

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is she the one that goes on the
into the north from the south

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end of the north of the canyon,
are they said that's

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booby-trapped.
And so people will get killed if

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they go in that way.
So, go around on the other side

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of the hill and go up a little
ways, and you will be shown

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where this is this spot, and
then that's where you dig in,

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and you'll go straight in and
then you'll hit places right

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above it, where you're going to
go in a back way.

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So you're going to have to drill
through a Capstone, it was like

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capstone's in oil and
everything. seeing what happens

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is you get down so far and then
there's like a layer of solid

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rock And when they're drilling
for oil or whatever, this, some

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reason, this rock is at the top
and then the oils underneath and

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it just kind of keeps the oil
from going up and everywhere and

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same.
Here, there's this room, and

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there's a Capstone as the solid
Stone, but they'll have to drill

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through to take a lot of work to
get through that Capstone.

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But when they finally get into
those rooms, that's when they'll

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hit all the treasures and all
the different things that are

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inside the mine, Okay.
So how was he shown Where to

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drill at?
You said, he'd be shown, what

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was the mechanism there that
that instructed him.

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Hey, this is the spot where you
need to start drilling into the

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mountain.
So it's so what happened was the

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next day?
There was a spot on the mountain

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where a light Shone down And
this is just kind of like, you

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know, a lot of a cloud or
something.

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There was a light that came down
and he hit that one spot and so

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he goes there, and he looks at
it and that's where he starts to

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drill the mine.
And it has an entrance in there

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and it goes.
And right now, the Mind goes

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straight back.
Ironically, wait, wait, wait,

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wait, wait.
You said an entrance?

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There was an entrance already
there when he got there.

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No, there was no interest,
that's where the entrance is

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now.
Oh, he's having to make a whole

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new tunnel to goes.
Digging a hole new tunnel to get

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into the back way.
Because the front way, they

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don't want to go in, because
it's booby-trapped, right?

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Like an Indiana Jones with all
the arrows or whatever, who not.

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Sure.
I'm that big rock coming down,

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you know?
Sure.

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Did he now, did he get anyone to
help him with this?

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Oh, yeah.
There were a lot of people, he

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would be told that there would
be people that would come to see

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Statement is work and and they
did, they all came.

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There were people that came and
when that started to be dug and

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they were and they were going
in.

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What's interesting?
Is that mine shaft?

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You can go to the very back of
the cave and look and you can

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see the entrance.
You can see the light coming in.

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That's how well done the mine
was.

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Wow.
And so, you know and it's mi mi

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back.
In there.

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So, you know, and so so that was
built and then just outside that

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entrance, they had, you know,
railroad ties that came out with

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rails on them and they had
little or carbs that came out

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and they had down the way, they
built this big building called a

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mill.
Now they call it a mill because

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it's a grinding mill, so they
take the or they dump it in and

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they have these things called Bo
Mills.

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Now, they're big steel balls
about like this and they roll

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around in there and they crush
up the Rock and it powder izes,

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it makes it into kind of a
powder and it goes through

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shoot, it goes down into another
area.

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And then they had these
flotation devices that they were

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bringing it in.
And they were experimenting

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trying to figure out different
ways.

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They bring it in with water, and
they would look through the or

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and they try and figure it out
and some of it, they had Heat

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applied to it.
One time.

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Bishop coil went in and they
were they were heating it up so

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hot and he goes, you're burning
it up, you're burning it up.

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It's all going in the air and,
and later in talking with some

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of the real experts in Gold.
They said that does happen that

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actually gold can get still hot
and it goes up into the

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atmosphere and and that goes up
into our atmosphere and that

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help protect our Earth.
And So he was trying not to have

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it burn up and then redeem
different experiments.

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They were always trying
different things to get it to

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work order to get it to
Perfection to the point where it

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would actually start to produce
the or Bishop coil told that he

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says we're probably not going to
get this done but we want to

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keep trying.
But he said in the last days

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like at that time when the mine
is, you know, there's three

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things going to happen.
This this economy is going to

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crash, the mine will come out
about that time and the church

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will be put in order.
So those type of things are

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going to kind of happen all
around the same time and and

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then after that, oh, the comes
out, there will be a new process

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that will make it work very well
and you get a lot of gold out of

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what's in there and in talking
to some of the scientists they

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say that this is this mountain
is full of gold and they know

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that in fact, Bishop bishop or
Brigham Young stood down on

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Santaquin and pointed at the
mine at the mountain there and

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said that my mine that mountain
deep down in.

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It has more gold than anywhere
in the world and that would be

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used for the Gathering of
Israel.

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Wow.
So during its Heyday at its

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peak.
Do you know, how many people

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were working on the on that
mind, you know, it's hard to

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say, I know, there were I know
that they had, you know, their

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typical crew which was probably
under 100 but It probably

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expanded into into thousands of
people.

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In fact, it was one of the
largest they said, it was one of

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the largest organizations that
was kind of like running on

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Mormon ethics outside the Mormon
church at the time.

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Wow.
So I'm sure there were a lot of

448
00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:45,900
people who.
Well there was a lot of stock

449
00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:48,700
owners.
I mean, tens of thousands of

450
00:28:48,700 --> 00:28:52,300
those and not all of them, you
know, came.

451
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,700
And work.
But there were, they were all

452
00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:58,600
there at the meetings and all
they're helping and trying to

453
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,200
make things happen.
So in the process of drilling

454
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,700
this whole, did he ever find
anything at all in there?

455
00:29:06,700 --> 00:29:12,600
It had a lot of artifacts, they
found like helmet.

456
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:19,100
They found some other things.
My dad told me around the went.

457
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,000
There was a guy that had come in
and he and he was The workers

458
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,600
and they were told never to take
anything out of the mine and do

459
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,100
this.
But this guy, he just had to

460
00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:29,900
prove.
That was so right where the once

461
00:29:29,900 --> 00:29:35,400
was he grabbed a big sack full
of dirt, gunny sack and pulled

462
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,100
out, and threw it in his pickup,
and took it down, and have it

463
00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:44,100
analyzed.
And I mean, the minute of her

464
00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:48,100
different, you know, versions of
how much that was.

465
00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:52,100
But it was around two to three
hundred.

466
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:57,100
Ounces per ton.
Wow, just phenomenal, I heard an

467
00:29:57,100 --> 00:30:00,500
astronomical amount but I don't
know that.

468
00:30:00,500 --> 00:30:04,300
I trust that one but it was
around that my dad told me he

469
00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:06,700
was there and that that's what
the guy got.

470
00:30:07,700 --> 00:30:12,100
So let me ask you this question,
they found artifacts like

471
00:30:12,100 --> 00:30:14,100
helmets.
And what else did you say?

472
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,700
There was this fear?
There was some other arrowheads,

473
00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:19,800
there were different.
There were different things that

474
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,300
they found not a lot but just
Didn't have to signify something

475
00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:27,300
had happened in near there,
right?

476
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,200
And we're any of those artifacts
ever taken from the site.

477
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,400
They kind of were brought into
the dream mind.

478
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,600
My dad, saw them for years
lately.

479
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,800
I don't think they're there
anymore.

480
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,400
I think they may have
disappeared.

481
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,700
Okay?
Or place somewhere safe.

482
00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:55,000
So during this time that coils
operating this mine, what's his

483
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,100
standing with the LDS church?
It's very good.

484
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:06,500
There's not any real problems.
There were like, I say, Jay

485
00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:09,100
Gould and Kimball certainly
believed in it and bought all

486
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:12,300
the stocky.
Could there were other general

487
00:31:12,300 --> 00:31:15,800
authorities that were all very
much involved in it?

488
00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:21,600
There was one story, it was kind
of interesting because As Marty

489
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:26,600
Peterson, he had a nephew or
something like that.

490
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,500
Anyway.
And he came Bishop well said, oh

491
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:33,400
well you know, my uncle, he's
going to be helping us out

492
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,000
Bishop coil, and Bishop close
stood there and kind of looked

493
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,500
in the air and he goes, nah,
nah, nah, no Marquis Peterson's

494
00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:43,000
going to be one of the worst
enemies of the mine.

495
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,300
Wow, before he ever knew him or
anything else, he just said

496
00:31:47,300 --> 00:31:50,500
that.
And and that eventually did come

497
00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:52,200
out.
Marquis Peterson, put a lot of

498
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,600
pressure on it and made all
these things, and they shouldn't

499
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,600
have.
This isn't just a business, it's

500
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,900
not, you know, it's not some
spiritual thing.

501
00:31:59,900 --> 00:32:04,400
I mean it was very spiritual but
it wasn't trying to compete with

502
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:09,800
the church but they treated as
such And then of course, Jamesy

503
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,400
Talmadge came.
And since James eat almonds, was

504
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,900
a geologist he came and said,
all this is wrong and that there

505
00:32:17,900 --> 00:32:20,100
shouldn't be anything here.
You had James.

506
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:23,200
Talmage had other minds and
stuff that never ever came to

507
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,400
fruition.
And so he comes down.

508
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:31,400
And there's actually a tale of
where water Canyon comes from.

509
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:36,600
There's like, this Peak Road, it
kind of comes up in a peak and

510
00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:40,600
they They call it the highway,
the ancient nephite Highway, and

511
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,700
it goes from Water.
Canyon comes all the way around.

512
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:46,900
Over 22 Payson area.
You can see it.

513
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,300
I'm from an airplane or up on
top of the mountain.

514
00:32:50,500 --> 00:32:53,800
You can see it comes up on both
sides, just like this, like,

515
00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:56,400
like our highways today.
You know, these build them up on

516
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,000
both sides.
And then they have this thing

517
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,900
and water goes off and does all
that.

518
00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:05,300
And so, they called it an
ancient nephite Highway.

519
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,600
And, and I take people Up there
all the time and they could

520
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,200
seek.
They can go over the top and

521
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,500
there's a road that goes down
the other side and and so town,

522
00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:16,400
which was sitting there one day,
Dad tells the story, The Tommy

523
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,500
walked up and he's all got a
whole group of people and he's

524
00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:24,300
all telling how you know this is
Lake Bonneville and it come up

525
00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:28,000
here and and you know and this
couldn't be a highway in ancient

526
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,100
Nephi Highway that's just
baloney.

527
00:33:30,100 --> 00:33:35,500
And and it's they're all sitting
there and Talmadge tells all

528
00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:40,600
this stuff trying to You know.
I'll get rid of the mind, he

529
00:33:40,608 --> 00:33:44,500
didn't like it and he's doing
this and all farmer.

530
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:47,700
Dad said he was standing there
with the stirrups like this and

531
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:50,200
it's all far Reese is my
brother.

532
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,500
Talmadge, you explain, why, how
we got this built up on this

533
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:56,900
side?
That's like Bonneville?

534
00:33:57,300 --> 00:33:59,300
What about the other side near
the mountain?

535
00:33:59,300 --> 00:34:05,500
What built it up?
Everybody started laughing and

536
00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:08,000
Thomas, didn't have an answer
and so he got in his car and

537
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,600
spun off all mad and angry.
So what was talmadge's big axe

538
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,100
to grind there with the mind?
What did you like about it?

539
00:34:15,699 --> 00:34:22,800
I think I think Talmadge Had a
real problem Fundamentalist.

540
00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:29,699
okay, there's stories to behind
that even now this is kind of a

541
00:34:29,699 --> 00:34:35,600
fairytale ish thing, but I'm
just going to tell the story and

542
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,500
what happened was Talmadge did
put a lot of pressure and he

543
00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:43,000
found a fundamentalist guy that
was living plural marriage and

544
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,000
so he turned him in and he was
going to you know have him

545
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,500
prosecuted and everything and he
had the proof and so he had an

546
00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:53,300
affidavit and and all this he
was going to write it up and

547
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,300
Judge said, finally, you got all
that evidence and you know,

548
00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:59,600
let's just do it.
And so they got this guy in

549
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,500
court and everything and then
Tom was never showed up.

550
00:35:04,700 --> 00:35:07,700
And they didn't know what to do.
They were trying to figure out

551
00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:12,900
okay, something's happening and
we can't find Talmadge worst

552
00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:14,900
Talmadge.
We need the affidavit without

553
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:15,800
that.
There's nothing.

554
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,300
And so they went and he was in
his office and he was just

555
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:25,500
signing the affidavit and he had
knelt down or fell down on the

556
00:35:25,508 --> 00:35:29,000
on the affidavit and he hadn't
quite signed it.

557
00:35:29,100 --> 00:35:32,000
Oh wow.
Who started to sign it and then

558
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,000
died and either had a heart
attack. kayak or something, but

559
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,400
Gotcha, gotcha.
So but at this time coils not in

560
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:47,900
not he's in the church, right?
I mean so what would have been

561
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:49,900
talmadge's?
Big axe to grind their?

562
00:35:49,900 --> 00:35:54,300
If coil was a lot of
fundamentalist doctor and being

563
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:58,500
taught by coil?
Okay, I think there was stuff

564
00:35:58,500 --> 00:36:01,600
that people were learning that
he was educating them with.

565
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:08,600
I mean, my Dad read out of the
Journal of discourses Day you

566
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,100
have to him.
There was a lot of stuff that I

567
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:14,000
think they started to feel a
little bit threatened.

568
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:20,300
Gotcha, gotcha major.
Threatening thing happened when

569
00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:25,000
Joseph F Smith promise that
there would be a temple built in

570
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:31,300
Mexico and coil got word of that
and he coil shook his head and

571
00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:35,500
he goes, that's not what I saw
in vision and they said well

572
00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:39,100
what did you see in vision?
And he said, And I saw everybody

573
00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:45,200
fleeing out of Mexico and it was
just what they could carry on

574
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,100
their backs.
You know, they were, they had to

575
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:51,500
get out of there quick and they
were like, oh really, you know?

576
00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:53,500
And so there was a real
challenge.

577
00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:59,100
There was Joseph Fielding
Joseph, F Smith had promised the

578
00:36:59,107 --> 00:37:01,700
people that if they give up
plural marriage down in that

579
00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:03,900
area that the temple would be
built.

580
00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:07,600
I got you.
And and, and so they were Were

581
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,100
given up for marriage and doing
all these concessions and doing

582
00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:14,100
all this.
And then Here Comes Pancho via

583
00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:18,700
right and Pancho via came in and
he threw my great-grandfather

584
00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:22,500
out down there, not on my dad's
side, on my mother's side, and

585
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:26,700
he ended up, you know, up in
just Southern Mass were

586
00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:29,100
President, Kimball and all.
That whole group of people all

587
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:31,400
came from was down in Safford,
Arizona.

588
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,500
Right.
And so they all got out of

589
00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:36,300
there.
So everybody standing there

590
00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:37,200
going.
Wait a minute.

591
00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:41,000
And who's the real profit here?
Bishop coil, or this guy?

592
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,700
I got you.
So, yeah.

593
00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:51,200
So he's, he's presenting a.
Oh, he's casting some doubt at

594
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,100
the first presidency and he's
doing it not not necessarily

595
00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:59,400
with the mind but teaching,
fundamentalist principles as

596
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:04,400
well as being more of a profit
than Joseph F Smith.

597
00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:06,700
Okay.
Okay.

598
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,400
So How long does the mine
operate for?

599
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,800
Can't get the exact dates.
You know, it was it was start

600
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,100
up, just before the turn of the
century.

601
00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:24,000
It went pretty much, my dad came
in there around the late 30s.

602
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,600
So it went all the way through
the depression and then it was

603
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,100
still kind of in it.
Shut down for a while and then

604
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:33,300
it came, they the church shut it
down for a while and they

605
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,700
brought it back and cool
prophesied.

606
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:40,600
All that, that would happen.
And then and then it would have

607
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:45,200
it would Shut down after my dad
went on his mission, was like

608
00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:51,200
the early 40s.
And then, right after that is

609
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:56,300
when it shut down for good.
And then coiled died and Bishop

610
00:38:56,300 --> 00:38:59,400
call prophesied that the mine
would go dark.

611
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,000
He just saw dark clouds around
it for many, many, many, many

612
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,400
years.
And then right before, this big

613
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,600
trial would have this big thing
would happen with the economy he

614
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,700
made.
Add some small prophecies, some

615
00:39:12,700 --> 00:39:14,100
were written down, but they
people.

616
00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:17,000
So it's like I took a bunch of
the prophecies and took them to

617
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,700
different people and said, did
you hear coil say this?

618
00:39:19,700 --> 00:39:21,300
Nope.
Never heard him say that, but

619
00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:24,400
maybe this guy did, you know?
And and so there was a lot of

620
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,200
stuff about, you know, who wrote
it down and it was accurate.

621
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,800
And did they hear it right that
all happens?

622
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,300
But he did say that Eureka would
start up again.

623
00:39:36,500 --> 00:39:40,700
You know, they'll be one of the
signs telltale signs and just

624
00:39:40,700 --> 00:39:44,900
recently, 15 years ago, I was
out, I was the only one out

625
00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:48,500
there running a mine.
Wow I was the only one out

626
00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:55,400
trying to do anything and it was
this minded that was given to

627
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,100
the family called The Crown
Point.

628
00:39:57,100 --> 00:40:00,800
I was out working on that trying
to get something to happen there

629
00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:05,000
and and you know just nobody
around the Trixie and the Bergen

630
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,900
were shut down.
When I went down there all the

631
00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:10,400
time and, you know, nobody was
there, there was some security

632
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,200
guard that was their driving a
truck up and down, that was it,

633
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,800
you know, and we chatted about
life.

634
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:20,700
And and so, then, it was only
about four or five years ago,

635
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:25,100
maybe we ran into a guy and he
was coming to work and get the

636
00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:28,700
minds to go on and all that and
we chatted with him for a while.

637
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:31,500
Very interesting, how all that
happened.

638
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:37,100
And now they're fully working.
There's a Is a magazine called

639
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:41,100
Utah Valley and it's tells all
about how the Trixie and the

640
00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:44,300
Bergen are both coming out.
They hit gold.

641
00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:48,900
Some of the finest gold ever
while they said that there's

642
00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:54,600
seven Minds in the world that
have the same quality, holy

643
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,300
hell.
So that's happening.

644
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,600
Big gold coming out of there.
Right?

645
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:07,800
So let's back up just a second
what what ultimately does coil

646
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,500
in as far as the LDS church,
what happens there?

647
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,700
Okay, so you mean what happens,
you think, how did you, how does

648
00:41:15,700 --> 00:41:17,200
he get excommunicated White
House?

649
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,700
Okay, so there's complex things
with that, part of the

650
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:26,700
visitation with the, the 23
Nephites was that they showed

651
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:32,100
him some information that he
could not share with anybody.

652
00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:38,000
But the first presidency and
they wanted him to share this.

653
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,400
And so Bishop coil made a
Concession.

654
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,800
He signed something and saying
that, you know, he denied the

655
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:51,300
minor, whatever they promised
that he would get an interview

656
00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:55,600
where he could tell this
information to be signed this

657
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,500
document.
So he signs the document and

658
00:41:57,500 --> 00:42:01,200
guess what they do, they renege
on the deal, you renege on the

659
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,900
deal, he doesn't get a chance to
go.

660
00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:08,000
Tell him he's really upset.
His wife had died.

661
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,800
She came back to him and said
Okay, you know, we know how

662
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,200
because you felt bad about
signing, he was told never to

663
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,700
sign anything, right?
He goofed up and then he said

664
00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:23,500
well we understand how things go
on this side of the bell and

665
00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:27,000
it's okay, you know, it's like
don't worry too much about it,

666
00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:31,400
some things just happen because
that's the way they happen.

667
00:42:33,100 --> 00:42:36,100
So his wife dies.
Yeah.

668
00:42:37,100 --> 00:42:44,100
He he then I can only imagine.
So he's his wife passes on and

669
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,800
he's got this message that he's
supposed to share with the first

670
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:53,400
presidency.
It is he gets his paper that

671
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,600
says, hey, if you sign this
paper, basically we're

672
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,700
announcing the mine, will let
you deliver your message, right?

673
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,400
So that doesn't happen, he
stood, he does sign the paper

674
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,300
but but then that deal isn't
honored.

675
00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:11,400
What happens next to coil?
What leads to his

676
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:16,900
excommunication?
Well, he was excommunicated.

677
00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:21,600
Around that time or before I
think it was before that I have

678
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,100
to double-check this pretty
close to that same time.

679
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:33,500
This was this was brought on by
several witnesses who saw Marty

680
00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:38,300
Peterson after the
excommunication and what I'm

681
00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:41,200
pulled up to the gas station.
Mark Peterson, what are you

682
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,600
doing here?
You know and he looked all

683
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,400
scared and kind of hit away and
so it's pretty.

684
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:50,500
Obviously he had something to do
with Bishop coil getting next

685
00:43:50,500 --> 00:43:54,400
few decades, but we don't know
why he got excommunicated.

686
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,600
What?
What the LDS church claimed his

687
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,900
were grounds for his
excommunication.

688
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,200
You know, I'll have to go back
and, and see it was kind of a

689
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,400
bogus e thing.
It wasn't anything like

690
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,500
preaching false Doctrine or
something.

691
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:14,300
It was just, there wasn't really
any sin on his part nothing.

692
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:18,700
Yeah, that's good question.
I don't know.

693
00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:22,300
I don't know what exactly they
did throw him out for.

694
00:44:22,900 --> 00:44:26,400
Hmm.
Okay, so he gets excommunicated,

695
00:44:27,900 --> 00:44:33,800
he's out there on his own.
When does he pass away?

696
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,200
Well, let's see, I can't
remember exactly when my dad

697
00:44:39,700 --> 00:44:42,400
went on his mission, but it was
while he was on his two-year

698
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,900
Mission.
So that would have been the

699
00:44:44,900 --> 00:44:49,300
early 40s.
Okay, it was after the war World

700
00:44:49,300 --> 00:44:52,300
War, Two was ended.
Things kind of calm down at the

701
00:44:52,300 --> 00:44:54,200
mind.
My dad went on his mission.

702
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,600
Kind of was heartbroken at that
point, you know, Dad was kind of

703
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,300
his one of his best friends that
he didn't want to see my father,

704
00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:06,400
go right?
Like I said, You're my dad went

705
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,700
in and asked to go on a mission
without purses script.

706
00:45:09,700 --> 00:45:14,200
So coil said, well, I think
you're going to get that son.

707
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,300
So he did right.
You know.

708
00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:21,900
So then yeah, that that kind of
sad in my dad but he died around

709
00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:25,400
that time.
And then once he died what

710
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:32,100
happens to the mind, the Mind
continues, they're not working

711
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:35,100
it.
There was a guy named Quail

712
00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:40,300
Dixon who ended up coming on and
he had a brother on the board

713
00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:43,800
and they were told never to have
two brothers on the board.

714
00:45:44,300 --> 00:45:48,500
And so it's my belief that a lot
of things happened with Quail

715
00:45:48,500 --> 00:45:55,300
Dixon that weren't so, Good.
And, and also, the belief was

716
00:45:55,300 --> 00:46:00,100
that Joe Garrison, who is my
Dad's cousin was kind of being

717
00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:03,400
prepped by Bishop coil to come
on and work and do that.

718
00:46:04,700 --> 00:46:07,300
And so, there's kind of a little
cuckoo, they call it a little

719
00:46:07,300 --> 00:46:09,500
cooler, and all that was taken
away.

720
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:13,600
Okay.
So who has control of the mind?

721
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,700
Now, does the Mind still have a
board?

722
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:20,800
Still has a board?
Still has stockholders, May hold

723
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:27,700
meetings, every second Monday of
May and they had won this year,

724
00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:32,500
the covid people were dealing
with stuff for a while and they

725
00:46:32,500 --> 00:46:34,700
didn't have it, you know,
meetings but now they did.

726
00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:36,300
They had just had one just
recently.

727
00:46:36,700 --> 00:46:38,900
Okay.
All right.

728
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:40,700
And is there any movement on the
mine?

729
00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:43,100
Is anything going off the?
It's just stagnant.

730
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:46,000
Okay, we're taking care of this
house, that's there.

731
00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:50,800
We're trying to fix this for,
you know, taking care of With

732
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,800
the electrical, all that kind of
basic stuff but it's really

733
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,400
really quiet.
Hmm, it was told that there

734
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,500
would be a white-haired man from
the north.

735
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,500
It would calm kind of around
when all this stuff is going to

736
00:47:06,508 --> 00:47:10,300
start happening and he will
bring with him lots of money and

737
00:47:10,300 --> 00:47:14,100
lots of knowledge on how to
start the Mind back up.

738
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:20,100
Okay, so now I want to go into
maybe just just a little bit, we

739
00:47:20,107 --> 00:47:25,300
don't have to go very deep but
some of the prophecies that that

740
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:32,900
coil had made, About the time
preceding the this this massive

741
00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:37,300
economic collapse and let me see
if I got the the chronology

742
00:47:37,300 --> 00:47:38,100
right here.
Kevin.

743
00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:43,100
So the - supposed to come in
before or after this economic

744
00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:48,400
collapse about the same time
coil said that it happened, you

745
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,400
know, they're all these things
that happened all about the same

746
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,900
time, okay?
Economic crash, the mind coming

747
00:47:54,900 --> 00:48:01,000
in church being set in You know,
all the wars, coming in all the

748
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,500
men coming.
So a lot of the same type of

749
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:09,100
experience that comes okay.
All right.

750
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:12,700
What are some of the things that
coil said to look out for you?

751
00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:16,600
You talked about the Eureka mine
starting back up, what, what are

752
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,700
some other events that that he
may be pointed at?

753
00:48:19,700 --> 00:48:24,000
And said, look, look for this
here, I have to go back through.

754
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,400
It's been a while.
I was thinking just before we

755
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,600
did this at I died.
Maybe I should have gone back

756
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,600
and look through the book a
little bit more that listed most

757
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,800
of those in the book, some of
the, some of the will economics

758
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,000
would be one of them.
Our economy would start to go

759
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,500
very bad.
Oh, that one of the last things

760
00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:47,700
would happen is that the
Republican elephant would stand

761
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,200
and then fall never to rise
again.

762
00:48:53,500 --> 00:48:57,700
Wow.
So, the Republican would die.

763
00:48:57,900 --> 00:49:01,900
We thought that might be Trump.
You know, he would die in office

764
00:49:01,900 --> 00:49:03,400
though.
There would be a president died

765
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:08,400
in office around that time.
Biden could sure do that?

766
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:12,300
He's yeah, he's old enough.
Wow.

767
00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:15,200
Okay.
So what's your opinion on the

768
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,900
Mind?
Do you think it's got validity?

769
00:49:17,700 --> 00:49:23,500
And if you were to ask me that
on a scientific and what I've

770
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:26,900
experienced and because I'm a
minor and because I've talked to

771
00:49:26,900 --> 00:49:35,000
other people I would say it's
pretty close to about a 95%

772
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,100
chance that there's definitely
the stuff that they say in

773
00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:42,100
there.
I was close to the mine and

774
00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:48,600
taken by a Native American and
told that the Mayans, the Incas,

775
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:54,500
the Aztecs, the navajos.
The hope he's the, this almost

776
00:49:54,600 --> 00:50:01,200
every Native American tribe has
brought reserves to Utah in this

777
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,300
area.
Really.

778
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:12,100
They have Minds here that other
Minds that's up near here that

779
00:50:12,100 --> 00:50:15,500
nobody talks about, it's on the
same path.

780
00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:19,700
There's like a path that gold
comes from like Eureka goes

781
00:50:19,700 --> 00:50:22,800
through the dream.
Mine his Vernal goes on a, you

782
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,000
know, up in the UN has and they
carries on.

783
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,500
There's like a weird line that
goes through here of the big

784
00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:33,300
huge vein of ore.
And so they've already found a

785
00:50:33,308 --> 00:50:37,100
lot of those things.
I was I was Out with a friend of

786
00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:43,600
mine and we went out to Wendover
and if you go into wind over

787
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,800
into Nevada you know 10 or 15
miles and go straight North,

788
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,500
there's road to go straight
North and there's a little

789
00:50:50,500 --> 00:50:54,100
mountain their range and many
years back.

790
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:56,700
I was taking their because my
friend that does mining in

791
00:50:56,700 --> 00:50:59,500
Alaska and everywhere else took
me up there and he says, what do

792
00:50:59,500 --> 00:51:00,700
you think you're anything out
here?

793
00:51:00,700 --> 00:51:04,000
And I was doing my little
dowsing rod and checking my

794
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,800
Visionary and doing different
things.

795
00:51:05,900 --> 00:51:09,500
He's and and I was all kind of
messed up and I kept Rick

796
00:51:09,500 --> 00:51:11,100
checking and going through and
everything.

797
00:51:11,100 --> 00:51:15,600
And finally, I turned to my
friend and I said Tom, this

798
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:23,400
whole mountain is gold.
Colonel laughed and he goes, oh,

799
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,800
brother.
Okay, you're off track.

800
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,500
Let's just go to lunch.
So we got in the car and took up

801
00:51:28,508 --> 00:51:33,400
- no, I'm serious.
And she didn't really take me

802
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,200
too serious.
And then we went to lunch and

803
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:40,100
then I went home and I was like,
oh, I didn't even listen to me.

804
00:51:40,100 --> 00:51:43,000
I said, man, you need to get
more of these, you know, claim

805
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,600
all this area claim all this all
that you can.

806
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,900
And and, you know, he knew how
to claim things really fast and

807
00:51:48,900 --> 00:51:50,500
do all the paperwork and
everything.

808
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:55,200
He didn't.
Then about a year 9 months to a

809
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,600
year later he sends me a
newspaper article out of like

810
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,300
the mining Utah.
Nevada mining or something and

811
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:08,400
it's a big article about how
Newmont gone in there.

812
00:52:08,500 --> 00:52:13,500
They did a landsat a special
type of new thing and a whole

813
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:16,700
Mountain popped up as gold.
Wow.

814
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:24,800
And they it was the largest land
mass by out People's shares or

815
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,400
steaks or whatever, claims they
had, or whatever the lard

816
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,700
billions of dollars to buy this
mountain.

817
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,200
And so that's getting ready to
start going, you know?

818
00:52:35,500 --> 00:52:39,000
And so I've been over here
checking that out dousing.

819
00:52:39,500 --> 00:52:44,200
I went with another dousing
person and we doused out the

820
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,400
dream of mine and all the
different areas and it's all,

821
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,800
it's all there.
There's even south of that,

822
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:55,000
there's more stuff there.
So, Yeah, so you really think

823
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,900
that mine will come in at some
point.

824
00:52:57,500 --> 00:53:02,600
Definitely, It's interesting too
many too many.

825
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:08,500
Indicators mean, find me another
prophecy of people that hit the

826
00:53:08,500 --> 00:53:11,800
mark on the head that much.
My dad was there with Bishop

827
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:18,500
coil one day and he says you're
going to see America today for

828
00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:22,200
like, what does that mean?
So they're in there and they're

829
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,200
blasting.
They do their little pounding

830
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,500
with the little thing and
they're putting a pegs and they

831
00:53:27,500 --> 00:53:31,100
put the dynamite in and why?
That out and they blast it out.

832
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:36,200
One of the walls and in the
courts, the whole courts was all

833
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:40,500
just white and it looked just
like America, huh?

834
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:46,400
So Dad saw that fulfilled will
coil was saying, you know,

835
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,400
there's several other
prophecies, you know, when they

836
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,600
were getting ready to hit water
boil said.

837
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,500
Look, if you're in within about
6 inches of hitting that water

838
00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:57,400
and sure enough, you know just
within that short period boom

839
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,400
they hit the water and it came
out Out.

840
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,600
It's but now it's got a running
water that comes out of them out

841
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:07,900
of the actual mind.
Now water to this day to this

842
00:54:07,900 --> 00:54:11,700
day, still runs out.
Mine goes down and they were

843
00:54:11,700 --> 00:54:14,700
watering irrigating trees there
for years.

844
00:54:14,700 --> 00:54:18,200
Just all I had to do is change
the ditch, go to the next Stitch

845
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,200
change.
The dish goes next then they got

846
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,800
they thought they'd get real
smart, put all this irrigation

847
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,400
pipe in and you know how the all
these guys do it now and now

848
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,000
it's all plugged up with mud and
they're having problems.

849
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:35,700
Go back to the old way, right?
Right, huh?

850
00:54:36,100 --> 00:54:39,900
So is there some place that if
somebody wanted to buy shares of

851
00:54:39,900 --> 00:54:41,800
the mind?
Can they go do that somewhere?

852
00:54:42,700 --> 00:54:47,900
Okay, so the minds of the share
the - done selling shares.

853
00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:52,200
They only had so many shares so
they've sold them all out.

854
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,900
And so now if you go to the mine
and say, can I buy some shares?

855
00:54:56,100 --> 00:54:59,300
They're sold out.
So what you have to do Is you

856
00:54:59,300 --> 00:55:04,600
look on on like drain mine site?
Or look on KSL or you look other

857
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:09,900
places and there's always
somebody who passes away and

858
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,700
they're widowed or kids or
whatever aren't interested in

859
00:55:12,707 --> 00:55:16,900
the mind and they sell stock.
Right now, it's going from

860
00:55:16,900 --> 00:55:21,100
anywhere from 35, to 40, a
share, and I bought mine when I

861
00:55:21,107 --> 00:55:24,800
first met my dad.
He told me about the mine and I

862
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,000
knew nothing about the mine or
anything else.

863
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:32,200
And he says, well, there's a
stock and it's it's about $300

864
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:36,400
and you can get 100, shares is
three dollars to share and

865
00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:39,800
something type side.
Me just said by it and I said,

866
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,100
okay, I got the money right over
here and grab my $300 and handed

867
00:55:43,100 --> 00:55:44,700
in, my dad didn't know anything
about mine.

868
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,800
Mine didn't know anything about
coiled in or not.

869
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,000
You just got a prompting that I
just got a prompting and it was

870
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,400
strong enough.
I just said, I'll do it freaked.

871
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,400
My dad out.
Did your dad own shares?

872
00:55:57,900 --> 00:56:00,600
Oh yeah.
Hmm.

873
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,800
Yeah, everybody owns shares
that, I know, at least then coil

874
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:10,900
said, if you even get 100
shares, that will feed any

875
00:56:10,900 --> 00:56:14,500
family.
Now, he's talking big families

876
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:17,600
because they had big families in
polygamist Community, right?

877
00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:20,600
Then, is he a polygamist was
coil a polygamist?

878
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,300
Now, there's some, there's some
thought on that.

879
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:30,600
Yeah.
Anything conclusive well one

880
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:36,000
time the he was thinking about
he went in and he told his wife

881
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:41,000
he said anchor name was M,
mr.amer something anyway, he

882
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,300
says that you know they were the
Widow down the street there she

883
00:56:43,300 --> 00:56:46,200
keeps asking me want to be a
part of our family and this and

884
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,800
that and she says well you
better darn well you know think

885
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:54,200
about it or do it or something.
And and so Dad told the story

886
00:56:54,200 --> 00:57:01,300
that he was getting ready to To
marry her and they were going to

887
00:57:01,300 --> 00:57:05,000
do it in public.
This could be some of the issues

888
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,500
that were happening with the
church time to, you know, and so

889
00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:10,000
it was going to be a public
thing.

890
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:14,100
They came back in and says
Bishop coil, we're all the

891
00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:16,000
people here.
Don't think that's a good idea

892
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:22,300
to do that in public.
You know, major maybe if you

893
00:57:22,300 --> 00:57:25,900
know in a private thing or
private setting or something

894
00:57:25,900 --> 00:57:28,200
like that.
My Dad said, so do you think he

895
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:29,700
just didn't go?
Merrier?

896
00:57:30,700 --> 00:57:33,800
Gotcha.
Yeah, so it's and your dad, your

897
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,100
dad sound like he had, he was
really close with him, he would

898
00:57:37,100 --> 00:57:39,200
know, very, very close.
Yeah.

899
00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:43,700
And and you don't people, you're
growing up in a polygamous

900
00:57:43,700 --> 00:57:47,900
family and later learning a lot
about how things went.

901
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:52,000
I mean, people are always asking
the goal or you polygamist.

902
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,500
How many children you have you?
No, I mean, why are

903
00:57:55,600 --> 00:58:00,300
fundamentalist or polygamous
quiet about that because if you

904
00:58:00,300 --> 00:58:03,400
bring that out, you're going to
battle.

905
00:58:03,500 --> 00:58:06,900
I mean you know I had
experiences where I just talked

906
00:58:06,900 --> 00:58:09,500
about I mean I didn't even do
anything.

907
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:13,300
Anything and, you know, I ended
up out of the out of my job and

908
00:58:13,500 --> 00:58:15,700
and I wouldn't get hired
anywhere else and there was

909
00:58:15,700 --> 00:58:19,400
problems and you know, your
family's at stake.

910
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:23,800
There's there's some reasons why
if I was Joseph Smith and I live

911
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:28,300
plural marriage?
I wouldn't tell anybody right?

912
00:58:28,900 --> 00:58:32,000
Very quiet about that.
I want my children protected.

913
00:58:32,100 --> 00:58:34,900
I don't want them killed.
I don't want any of this stuff

914
00:58:34,900 --> 00:58:40,800
going on, right?
So, You must have some feelings

915
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,200
on it.
How long do you think it'll be

916
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:43,900
before that?
Mine comes in Kevin.

917
00:58:45,700 --> 00:58:49,200
Hard to say, dad always felt
like it would come in, you know,

918
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,400
right away.
People have always asked me, is

919
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,500
this, the year?
Is this the year?

920
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,800
You know, and, for years and
years, I'd say now.

921
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,300
Don't see anything.
I mean, literally, I would say I

922
00:59:00,300 --> 00:59:04,300
don't see anything.
And then the last couple of

923
00:59:04,300 --> 00:59:09,900
years, I started seeing signs
like Eureka coming in this high,

924
00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:13,300
gas rates, you know, more than
we've ever had.

925
00:59:15,700 --> 00:59:20,100
Lot of feelings are starting to
come that it's going to come in

926
00:59:20,500 --> 00:59:24,000
but not like real soon.
I see like, you know, down the

927
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:28,100
road, five, six years, maybe 10,
maybe less.

928
00:59:28,100 --> 00:59:32,100
I don't know somewhere in that,
that time frame, I see something

929
00:59:32,100 --> 00:59:35,700
happening.
The thing is that the coil

930
00:59:35,700 --> 00:59:39,200
always said this would be one of
the last mines that would come

931
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,800
out.
Because there's all kinds of

932
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,200
Minds that were promised to come
out before the dream line,

933
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,400
right?
Wish coil a lot of people don't

934
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,000
know but Bishop coil worked in
Boise.

935
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:55,900
Idaho just below that there's
place called Mountain City and

936
00:59:55,900 --> 00:59:59,100
Mountain City, Nevada.
It's a little dinky town.

937
00:59:59,100 --> 01:00:04,500
But right there, there was a
silver mind that geertz ins and

938
01:00:04,500 --> 01:00:07,300
all them own.
And that was supposed to come

939
01:00:07,300 --> 01:00:12,900
out before the dream line.
So that would come back in these

940
01:00:12,900 --> 01:00:16,400
mines would come back in.
There's other sacred Minds that

941
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:20,600
work to come back in.
There's one out by Stansbury

942
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:25,200
Park, near to Allah, and The
Story Goes that it was a guy

943
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,100
that was working.
He looked up and he saw this

944
01:00:27,100 --> 01:00:29,900
kind of specialty stuff on the
mountains shiny.

945
01:00:30,900 --> 01:00:35,600
And so he went up there and he
found all this gold and some old

946
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:39,900
charcoal and some of the older
stuff there and He's like, man,

947
01:00:39,900 --> 01:00:41,800
I found a big nugget looking
thing, you know?

948
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:46,000
Like they've made it and kind of
set it down and and so anyway

949
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,500
brought that man who's had all
this gold in it and he took it

950
01:00:49,500 --> 01:00:52,300
to the Brigham instead Brigham.
Look at this gold.

951
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:57,300
This is you know this will save
the church and bring them took

952
01:00:57,300 --> 01:01:00,800
it and he went over to the
window and he stood there for a

953
01:01:00,808 --> 01:01:05,100
little while and he came back
and he said if we take this

954
01:01:05,100 --> 01:01:08,700
golden use it, It will run the
Saints.

955
01:01:10,500 --> 01:01:14,400
It will come out when the saints
needed the most.

956
01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:18,100
So that's a prophecy bread.
Brigham Young.

957
01:01:18,700 --> 01:01:23,500
And he said I am going to hide
it up.

958
01:01:24,300 --> 01:01:26,900
Brigham said it will be hit up
by angels.

959
01:01:27,300 --> 01:01:30,900
I will hide it up until the time
when it is needed by the Saints,

960
01:01:30,900 --> 01:01:36,100
the most gotcha.
So I didn't know about that any

961
01:01:36,100 --> 01:01:38,900
of this kind of the story but I
didn't know where it was.

962
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,600
And I had a friend, take me up
in that area.

963
01:01:43,100 --> 01:01:46,000
And I was doing my little Dow C
thing and I was kind of Feeling.

964
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,600
And some days you're on and some
days you just totally off.

965
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,800
And so I'm up there and I'm
feeling and I'm walking as I

966
01:01:52,808 --> 01:01:58,500
walk a little bit, I get weaker.
Then I back up and I feel more

967
01:01:58,500 --> 01:02:02,700
energy and I go back up.
Nope, my hat.

968
01:02:02,700 --> 01:02:06,000
What's going on here?
You know the closer I got I just

969
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:10,900
got weak And that's a symptom
that something and I can go,

970
01:02:11,100 --> 01:02:13,600
okay, what the heck is going on
here?

971
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:15,300
And I turn around, he's all
laughing.

972
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:20,300
I said you better tell me what's
happening and then he told me

973
01:02:20,300 --> 01:02:23,600
the story and he says, that's
probably the Angels protecting

974
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:27,400
it as you get closer, they're
kind of beating up on you and I

975
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:31,400
Cho so I backed out of there and
then he came back and showed me

976
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:35,300
in a Miner's magazine all this
whole story and how come out

977
01:02:35,300 --> 01:02:38,900
later?
All of that, the lost roads,

978
01:02:38,900 --> 01:02:40,900
you've heard of the lost roads,
right?

979
01:02:41,300 --> 01:02:44,600
No, huh.
So there was a guy named roads.

980
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:50,300
They nicknamed it after him and
I'm trying to think of the guy.

981
01:02:50,300 --> 01:02:52,900
He was a stake, president and
Manti.

982
01:02:54,500 --> 01:03:03,800
Oh, is it popular name?
Anyway, he was in Manti and Not

983
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:08,900
Blackhawk, the other endian guy,
everybody's names.

984
01:03:09,300 --> 01:03:13,400
He comes to him and tells him
about it says the great spirit

985
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:19,300
told me to come and show you the
money Rock and so he goes and

986
01:03:19,300 --> 01:03:23,400
shows him and then he comes back
and then goes to Brigham.

987
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,800
It's chills, Brigham.
And that's where the gold came

988
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:32,700
from for the statue on the
temple, really the Moroni That

989
01:03:32,700 --> 01:03:36,300
came out of that that actual
cave.

990
01:03:36,900 --> 01:03:42,100
People say that that cave was
where all the Masonic treasures.

991
01:03:42,100 --> 01:03:45,100
And other things, remember the
movie National Treasure?

992
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:49,200
Yes.
So National Treasure was in

993
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:53,800
Utah.
Probably un has probably up in

994
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:58,000
that we don't know exactly but
it's probably in those areas and

995
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,200
there are some people who have
divulged that when you go in

996
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:03,600
there.
It's just like a Walt Disney

997
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,800
movie with all the gold and
everything else.

998
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:09,500
They're okay.
Most important to people aren't

999
01:04:09,500 --> 01:04:13,700
realizing about this.
Is this specially of the not

1000
01:04:13,700 --> 01:04:18,000
gold but the resources that are
there, the histories, the books,

1001
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,600
you know, the things that are
Group that are they're mounted

1002
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:26,700
inside of those mines.
And so, that's try here in Utah

1003
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,600
and Abraham.
Lincoln said, when he was

1004
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:35,500
talking about it, he said the
national see what he's you

1005
01:04:35,500 --> 01:04:37,600
taught.
Is the Treasure House of this

1006
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,200
nation.
Really.

1007
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:48,200
Wow.
So so we have gold caves, we

1008
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:52,200
have places we have.
I mean, all through records and

1009
01:04:52,700 --> 01:04:56,000
Pioneers and other people that I
will not divulge their, there

1010
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,700
are other places that are
supposed to come out before that

1011
01:04:59,700 --> 01:05:01,400
time.
Wow.

1012
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:10,000
So, what would you conclude?
What would you tell people about

1013
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,800
the dream, mine?
I mean, for those just hearing

1014
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,800
about the first time because
it's not a well-known story,

1015
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:17,300
right?
If you hang out in

1016
01:05:17,300 --> 01:05:20,300
fundamentalist circles, it's
fairly well known.

1017
01:05:20,900 --> 01:05:25,200
But what would you tell someone
who maybe disbelieves it, what

1018
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,900
can they do to?
Kind of begin to understand it a

1019
01:05:28,908 --> 01:05:33,200
little more.
Well, first, I think people need

1020
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:37,700
to look at as we've talked about
today, the signs, the, hence,

1021
01:05:37,700 --> 01:05:41,400
the things that have happened,
you have an individual who's

1022
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,500
very, very inspired.
I mean hitting almost a mark, on

1023
01:05:45,500 --> 01:05:50,800
everything, his prophecies are
even still being fulfilled like

1024
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,600
Eureka and others.
You know, things are happening

1025
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:57,500
right now, leading up to that
Mark and we'll go onto another

1026
01:05:57,500 --> 01:05:59,000
day.
We'll get into all the real

1027
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:03,500
details that The whole point is
when you find somebody that's

1028
01:06:03,500 --> 01:06:08,200
that accurate and that in the
seems to be playing out that

1029
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,700
part.
And then you see people all

1030
01:06:10,700 --> 01:06:14,500
witnessing about it.
You know that something's there,

1031
01:06:14,500 --> 01:06:17,600
there's enough smoke.
There's going to be fire, right?

1032
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,300
That's what I feel with the my,
okay.

1033
01:06:21,500 --> 01:06:27,600
And we only have one year after
the goal comes out to buy up,

1034
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:32,500
all the wheat that we can coming
from Canada and other locations

1035
01:06:32,500 --> 01:06:38,200
to get that down to build up our
food reserves and and Bish coil

1036
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:41,300
even said that some of the
people when they when the Mind

1037
01:06:41,300 --> 01:06:45,300
comes out and they get their
stock money, they'll waste it on

1038
01:06:45,300 --> 01:06:49,200
travel and doing other things
and fancy cars and, you know,

1039
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,000
that kind.
We're not going to be putting it

1040
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,700
too.
Words preparedness towards being

1041
01:06:53,700 --> 01:06:57,300
prepared for the day ahead,
which is going to happen, just

1042
01:06:57,300 --> 01:07:00,900
like Joseph in Egypt.
So we're going to have that

1043
01:07:00,900 --> 01:07:03,700
replication.
When you see things in biblical

1044
01:07:03,700 --> 01:07:06,600
remember it always goes in
Cycles, right?

1045
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:09,200
This happened is for that
happens and it's kind of like a

1046
01:07:09,207 --> 01:07:12,900
returning things going to come
and this is and this is the

1047
01:07:12,900 --> 01:07:16,900
Prophecies of the time ahead,
the famines ahead coil

1048
01:07:16,900 --> 01:07:20,700
prophesied droughts would come
huge.

1049
01:07:20,700 --> 01:07:24,600
Drought It's and this is the
what the second third year we've

1050
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,500
seen of major drought.
Yeah.

1051
01:07:27,500 --> 01:07:31,900
If you take, you have, you
looked at Lake Lake Tahoe or any

1052
01:07:31,900 --> 01:07:35,200
of those other apps or wait wait
- I mean they're all low

1053
01:07:35,900 --> 01:07:41,100
historically low.
Yeah, that's prophecy by Bishop

1054
01:07:41,100 --> 01:07:43,200
coil.
Hmm.

1055
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,800
That's interesting.
So you have to look at this as a

1056
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:50,000
spiritual thing.
There must be some reason for

1057
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,000
it.
There must be and that's what

1058
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,800
coil was trying to do is get
people prepared.

1059
01:07:55,300 --> 01:07:59,900
They needed stock because we
condom he's going to go to crap.

1060
01:07:59,900 --> 01:08:03,900
Nobody has any money inflation,
sky-high.

1061
01:08:04,300 --> 01:08:08,000
There's hardly any jobs.
And so you'll have a job at the

1062
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:11,200
dream line where you'll be able
to go and work because you own

1063
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,900
stock And so you can go there
and work to provide for your

1064
01:08:14,900 --> 01:08:16,500
family.
Gotcha.

1065
01:08:17,100 --> 01:08:21,399
And, and for nothing else.
I mean, like, right now, 10

1066
01:08:21,399 --> 01:08:23,899
shares.
It's about the minimum that you

1067
01:08:23,899 --> 01:08:27,800
could get.
I mean, that's still 10 shares

1068
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:32,899
is $300, right?
You know, you can't afford $300

1069
01:08:32,899 --> 01:08:36,700
to at least just take a risk.
Right.

1070
01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:39,200
Right.
Know that.

1071
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,100
That makes sense.
Now did your dad ever write a

1072
01:08:41,108 --> 01:08:43,800
book about the dream mine?
Yes, he did.

1073
01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:50,899
And can can they go into Old
Pioneer Press, and get that?

1074
01:08:51,100 --> 01:08:55,300
Yeah, all Pioneer Press. 97
West, Main Street, Santaquin

1075
01:08:55,300 --> 01:08:59,000
Utah.
Eight, four, six, five, five,

1076
01:08:59,500 --> 01:09:03,300
and it's right on Main Street.
Here, you can order it online.

1077
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,899
You can read the book for free
on Ogden, crowd.com.

1078
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:13,200
And so, so if you can't afford a
book, it's there, dude.

1079
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:19,600
Phone number, there is a 2016 09
2222 and you need to call during

1080
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,899
business hours.
Perfect, awesome.

1081
01:09:22,899 --> 01:09:25,300
Well, Kevin, man.
That was, that was awesome.

1082
01:09:25,700 --> 01:09:28,700
There, there were some stuff.
That I didn't even that I hadn't

1083
01:09:28,700 --> 01:09:31,200
even heard yet, but that's
awesome.

1084
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:33,700
All right, is there anything you
want to say in conclusion?

1085
01:09:35,700 --> 01:09:38,100
Well, I just hope people can
read the book.

1086
01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:41,700
There's actually three books.
Written one is the dream.

1087
01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:44,899
Mind, the major dream mind book
to my dad wrote about it.

1088
01:09:44,899 --> 01:09:49,700
It's his version of what he saw.
Then he wrote another book and

1089
01:09:49,700 --> 01:09:53,700
it's called The Dream mind brief
mine too.

1090
01:09:54,300 --> 01:09:58,700
And that talks all about all the
different people that tell their

1091
01:09:58,700 --> 01:10:01,200
story.
So, you probably got 20 or 30

1092
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:04,100
different stories.
Written in newspapers and

1093
01:10:04,100 --> 01:10:08,200
thesis, has and other Things.
And so you have all that there

1094
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:13,100
and then the last one was
written by Norman Pierce and

1095
01:10:13,100 --> 01:10:15,900
Norman Pierce is a friend of my
dad that worked there.

1096
01:10:16,300 --> 01:10:20,300
And some of Norman's times and
dates, he wanted things to kind

1097
01:10:20,300 --> 01:10:22,500
of do it and it wasn't very
accurate.

1098
01:10:22,500 --> 01:10:25,200
I don't know, the bishop coil
wanted him to write a book on it

1099
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:29,400
but but it does have some stuff
he can't find anywhere else.

1100
01:10:29,700 --> 01:10:32,100
All right?
And we have all three books,

1101
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,200
it's all for all us a set of
three on the dream mind.

1102
01:10:35,900 --> 01:10:37,400
Perfect.
All right.

1103
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:41,100
Well Kevin that was awesome man.
I'd love to have you back on

1104
01:10:41,100 --> 01:10:44,600
again at some point.
Okay, we'll go into more detail.

1105
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,800
All right.
Thanks Kevin okay, thank you, hi

1106
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:48,400
everybody.