Episode #29: Staying Traditional In a World Gone Mad W/ Nate & Megan Richardson

1
00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,000
Now, just a disclaimer on this
episode, when I recorded it, me

2
00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,800
and my wife had just gotten back
from attending the football

3
00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,000
game.
So my voice was kind of shot.

4
00:00:13,500 --> 00:00:16,300
Now, one of the things I love
about doing this podcast is

5
00:00:16,300 --> 00:00:18,600
talking to Mormons of all walks
of life.

6
00:00:19,100 --> 00:00:22,700
This episode is an example of
just that I had the opportunity

7
00:00:22,700 --> 00:00:25,700
to sit down and have a
conversation with Natan Megan.

8
00:00:25,700 --> 00:00:29,800
Richardson, Natan, Meghan are
devout members of the LDS church

9
00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,400
who have Side to structure their
family and raise their kids in a

10
00:00:32,408 --> 00:00:36,100
very traditional, Mormon way, we
covered everything from Nate's

11
00:00:36,100 --> 00:00:39,500
career as a public educator, to
why the decided to home-school

12
00:00:39,500 --> 00:00:42,700
their kids, to how they approach
dating for their kids.

13
00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,500
We have fascinating
conversations that span the

14
00:00:45,500 --> 00:00:48,200
gamut of many, many different
topics.

15
00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,000
And that's next on this episode
of the Mormon Renegade podcast,

16
00:01:14,500 --> 00:01:17,200
Your listing to the Mormon
Renegade podcast.

17
00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:28,600
So, I just want to take a moment
to thank you.

18
00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,600
The Listener, when I started
this podcast I wasn't sure if

19
00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,100
anyone would really listen.
Now to my surprise, this thing

20
00:01:34,100 --> 00:01:36,900
has taken on a life of its own
and that's all due to you the

21
00:01:36,900 --> 00:01:39,200
listener, spending your time
here with me, and it means a

22
00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,600
great deal to me now, as a
husband and father, I'm keenly

23
00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,200
aware of how important time is.
It feels like there's just never

24
00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,400
enough of it.
So when you are spending your

25
00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,600
time here, listening to this
podcast, I feel a responsibility

26
00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:54,700
to never waste your time in that
Spirit as this Because grown I

27
00:01:54,708 --> 00:01:57,100
feel like I need to do you The
Listener Justice.

28
00:01:57,700 --> 00:02:00,700
I want to continue to produce
good content and upgrade the

29
00:02:00,700 --> 00:02:04,700
audio quality that takes better
equipment and better software

30
00:02:04,700 --> 00:02:07,700
and that all takes money.
Now, I've tried to advertise,

31
00:02:07,700 --> 00:02:09,900
but you'd be surprised.
There's not a lot of people want

32
00:02:09,900 --> 00:02:12,500
to advertise on a Mormon
fundamentalist podcast.

33
00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,700
I know surprising right now.
If you want to help support the

34
00:02:15,700 --> 00:02:18,300
podcast, you can do that.
One of two ways.

35
00:02:18,700 --> 00:02:22,600
The first is go over to Mormon
Renegade.com and hit the Donate

36
00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,700
tab there, you I make a one-time
donation or you can go ahead and

37
00:02:26,700 --> 00:02:29,800
set it up, to be a monthly
recurring, donation your choice

38
00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,100
entirely now.
Option number two, because I'm a

39
00:02:33,100 --> 00:02:35,500
capitalist.
If you want to head on over to

40
00:02:35,500 --> 00:02:38,400
Mormon Renegade.com, click on
the store button.

41
00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,500
You're going to find that.
We've got some new swag out, we

42
00:02:41,500 --> 00:02:45,900
got some T-shirts, we have a
tote, we have cell phone cases,

43
00:02:45,900 --> 00:02:49,000
water bottles, coffee cups.
We got a bunch of stuff in more.

44
00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,000
It's going to be on the way.
So if you feel like that's

45
00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,000
something you could do again,
head on over to.

46
00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,600
Mormon Renegade and check all
that stuff out if you're not in

47
00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,300
that position to do.
So I completely understand.

48
00:03:00,300 --> 00:03:03,100
We're all squeezed right now
with high gas prices and high

49
00:03:03,100 --> 00:03:06,000
inflation.
So even if you can't, please

50
00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,200
keep listening and maybe keep
the podcast in your prayers, so

51
00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,500
we can continue to grow produce.
Good content, and better audio

52
00:03:13,500 --> 00:03:14,700
quality.
Thank you.

53
00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,500
Welcome back to the Mormon
Renegade podcast, as always, you

54
00:03:18,500 --> 00:03:22,800
can get ahold of me either by
email at Mormon Renegade at

55
00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,100
gmail.com.
You can also get a hold of me on

56
00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,300
Instagram and Twitter and getter
under the handle.

57
00:03:30,300 --> 00:03:33,500
Mormon Renegade.
Also we have a website up and

58
00:03:33,500 --> 00:03:36,700
that's Mormon Renegade.com so go
check that out.

59
00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,800
So I'm here today with Nate
Richardson and his wife Megan

60
00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,700
Richardson and their baby.
Actually this is a first for me.

61
00:03:45,700 --> 00:03:51,700
It's having a baby and on the
podcast but I've met Nate a

62
00:03:51,700 --> 00:03:55,900
couple of times not in person.
You reached out to me through

63
00:03:55,900 --> 00:03:57,900
email after hearing the podcast
a little bit.

64
00:03:57,900 --> 00:04:02,400
We had some great discussions
and one of the things we both

65
00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:07,800
agreed on was that Society seems
to be somewhat broken and

66
00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,200
fraction, you know, just
fractionalized it tomorrow and

67
00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,400
there's some major issues.
It's facing us.

68
00:04:13,900 --> 00:04:18,899
Now what I didn't realize was
that Nate has can speak very

69
00:04:18,899 --> 00:04:25,000
uniquely to not only how broken
things are, but also So being

70
00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,500
able to diagnose them and the
reason he can speak to this

71
00:04:27,500 --> 00:04:32,200
uniquely is that Nate is a dad
who by profession is an

72
00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,100
educator.
And because of that, he can kind

73
00:04:36,100 --> 00:04:38,500
of see the patterns of, you
know, what kids are having

74
00:04:38,500 --> 00:04:42,500
problems and put that together
based on on what their life

75
00:04:42,500 --> 00:04:46,400
experiences and been.
So as we as we talked about

76
00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,400
wanting to talk here and have a
conversation, we wanted to dive

77
00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,900
into to why it is society.
Is struggling right now.

78
00:04:54,900 --> 00:04:56,700
What are those issues that are
facing us.

79
00:04:56,700 --> 00:04:59,300
So that's that's kind of what
we're doing here.

80
00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,000
I'm glad to be here too.
And yeah, I've got my wife,

81
00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,700
Megan and she'll chimed in now.
And then she, like David said,

82
00:05:08,700 --> 00:05:13,200
I'm Like you said, I'm an
educator.

83
00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,600
I've worked at different youth
treatment centers as well.

84
00:05:17,300 --> 00:05:21,700
And I actually teach it one.
And so I'm getting when when the

85
00:05:21,700 --> 00:05:23,900
kids get kicked out of school,
they come to my class.

86
00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:29,500
We've also had and I watch them
go through their therapy and go

87
00:05:29,500 --> 00:05:34,700
through all this and and I see
how how it's really an atheist

88
00:05:34,700 --> 00:05:36,900
therapy system that doesn't
work.

89
00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,500
And how these programs that
these kids are.

90
00:05:40,700 --> 00:05:45,000
Into are basically not nearly as
effective as they could be, if

91
00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,600
they had a Christian background
and all that, and then another

92
00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,800
side of things that we've seen
is the Foster World.

93
00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:56,200
We've been foster parents for
like six years and we've had a

94
00:05:56,207 --> 00:05:59,900
lot of fun times holding hands
with the government, trying to

95
00:05:59,900 --> 00:06:10,000
deal with kids and so, yeah, I
came from a bit of a broken home

96
00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,300
as well.
Well, of the divorce family, all

97
00:06:12,300 --> 00:06:15,800
that and basically half of us
are these days, I guess of us.

98
00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:22,400
But so I saw firsthand how that
is not ideal and, and all my

99
00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:27,900
kids at these where I work at
this treatment center, I'll ask

100
00:06:27,900 --> 00:06:30,000
him.
My favorite question is, do you

101
00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,000
come from a like, who in the
room?

102
00:06:33,500 --> 00:06:36,400
Grew lives with their biological
parents?

103
00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,400
And it's basically zero percent
right?

104
00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,100
Every blue moon There's somebody
so and then the other thing that

105
00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:50,000
that David, we talked about that
we might hit on is there's a lot

106
00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,700
of things actually, but
homeschooling we're big into

107
00:06:52,700 --> 00:06:55,400
that stuff.
And we recognize it's not for

108
00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,700
everybody and it's not like the
only path to salvation but it's

109
00:06:59,700 --> 00:07:01,300
something that we're passionate
about.

110
00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:07,600
So as you've watched this happen
and everybody knows but we we

111
00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,300
live in Utah, right?
And so you would think Because

112
00:07:11,300 --> 00:07:14,700
of the strong Mormon influence
that we would see lesson.

113
00:07:14,700 --> 00:07:17,100
This has that been your
experience?

114
00:07:17,100 --> 00:07:20,500
I mean, when you look and see
how many problems were dealing

115
00:07:20,500 --> 00:07:23,700
with here, how do they relate in
comparison to the rest of the

116
00:07:23,700 --> 00:07:25,600
world?
We have any less problems per

117
00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:31,700
capita in California or, or any
of those other major population

118
00:07:31,700 --> 00:07:33,600
centers?
Everybody's got less problems

119
00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,400
per capita than California.
Well, okay, that's a good point

120
00:07:36,700 --> 00:07:39,000
that people.
Yeah.

121
00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:44,800
So actually I work.
Most of the clients are shipped

122
00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,800
over here from California.
Oh, are they?

123
00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:51,100
So Utah's kind of like a strong
hub for treatment for youth?

124
00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,600
There's a there's a good amount
of programs here and States from

125
00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,500
all around the west and I even
have kids from Alaska.

126
00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:02,300
Every blue moon I'll get a kid
from out of the country but, you

127
00:08:02,308 --> 00:08:10,100
know, Nevada different states.
But so the kids that are from

128
00:08:10,100 --> 00:08:13,800
Utah Kind of funny because
sometimes, they'll know a little

129
00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,600
bit of the Mormon culture and
all that.

130
00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,300
And there's a lot of times
they'll be from inactive

131
00:08:20,300 --> 00:08:26,400
families or they'll just, you
know, and you can fire up some

132
00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,500
of that with them every every
now and then.

133
00:08:28,500 --> 00:08:33,400
But no, I think it has a lot of
problems.

134
00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:40,100
You know, you go to, we've got,
you know, You've got the this

135
00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,299
isn't like the state flag.
They're trying to change now to

136
00:08:42,299 --> 00:08:44,500
get rid of the Beehive.
Yeah.

137
00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,500
It's like we just want we just
want to be as non-mormon as we

138
00:08:48,500 --> 00:08:52,700
can and and in Utah you have
this unique problem with the

139
00:08:52,700 --> 00:08:54,500
kids growing up.
If you grow up like, I'm on a

140
00:08:54,508 --> 00:08:58,000
mission to Georgia and the kids
there, they'll say, well in

141
00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,100
school or something like, hey,
I'm sorry, I can't, I'm a

142
00:09:00,108 --> 00:09:05,400
Mormon, but in Utah.
I've, you know, I'd pull that

143
00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,100
card and it's like, well, guess
what?

144
00:09:07,100 --> 00:09:09,000
I'm a Mormon.
Right.

145
00:09:09,100 --> 00:09:14,800
Bottoms Up.
You know and I know you were

146
00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,500
joined the church when you're 18
or something.

147
00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,700
Yeah.
And was not even 18 yet and

148
00:09:18,700 --> 00:09:20,800
Utah.
Write your know I was I was in

149
00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,700
Western Idaho.
Now, there was a lot of LDS

150
00:09:24,700 --> 00:09:27,300
people there right now that much
Utah be asleep.

151
00:09:27,300 --> 00:09:34,000
But there was a fair amount of
LDS kids around and so when my

152
00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,500
wife said because my wife was
raised LDS, she was pretty and

153
00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:42,400
An active when we met.
But she said she wanted to raise

154
00:09:42,500 --> 00:09:44,200
kids.
Mormon, I didn't have a problem

155
00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,200
with that.
I mean, some of my best

156
00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:47,800
designated drivers in high
school.

157
00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,200
Yeah.
You know, guys are playing

158
00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,700
football with their was probably
have those guys.

159
00:09:51,700 --> 00:09:52,800
Yeah.
I'm probably in your best

160
00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:58,600
interest to not bad.
But what would I What I

161
00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,600
discovered was is that
especially once I got to Utah,

162
00:10:02,900 --> 00:10:06,100
is that kids are kids
everywhere, right?

163
00:10:06,100 --> 00:10:13,100
I mean, sure, but but you would
think that, if these kids were

164
00:10:13,100 --> 00:10:15,300
being raised with a gospel
background.

165
00:10:15,300 --> 00:10:18,300
So to speak, we would have less
of those problems.

166
00:10:18,900 --> 00:10:22,400
What I'm beginning to pick up
now and see is that that's not

167
00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,700
necessarily the case, right?
I think, as a people were

168
00:10:25,700 --> 00:10:28,600
starting to fall into the same
demographics, everybody else

169
00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,400
we're always a couple steps
behind, you know, we like to

170
00:10:31,408 --> 00:10:34,800
play the neighbor comparison
game and well, my neighbor does

171
00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,300
that.
So, I'm a little better than

172
00:10:37,300 --> 00:10:39,000
that.
I'll just do this and then it

173
00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,700
goes down.
You'll hit alien dialect, right?

174
00:10:40,700 --> 00:10:42,900
It's like ringing a little worse
and a little worse and a little

175
00:10:42,900 --> 00:10:46,400
worse and that's we see what the
birth rate to right.

176
00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,100
Is right.
Our birth rate is higher than

177
00:10:49,500 --> 00:10:54,800
you know everyone in the United
States but it's on its way down,

178
00:10:55,100 --> 00:11:02,300
you know.
And yeah I it's hard to, you

179
00:11:02,300 --> 00:11:05,000
know, you'll get these people do
get up at a at a meeting and

180
00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:10,200
they'll lecture and say Utah has
as this High pornography, this

181
00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:14,900
High psychotropics
antidepressants and And on the

182
00:11:14,900 --> 00:11:18,100
one hand, I'm down with those
kind of rebukes.

183
00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,900
But on the other hand it's
getting hard to say Utah,

184
00:11:20,900 --> 00:11:22,900
statistics equal, Mormon
statistics.

185
00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:27,700
Rise are so many now that are
not, you know, it's like this is

186
00:11:27,700 --> 00:11:31,000
a, this is what is it has like
the fastest growing State and

187
00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,500
yeah in right.
Yeah, right now I was a

188
00:11:32,500 --> 00:11:35,200
happening place to be and I work
in developer right on.

189
00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:40,300
Yeah I'm answer by profession so
a lot of what I do depends on

190
00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,700
new development, right?
And yeah you I think you toss

191
00:11:44,700 --> 00:11:47,200
number two right behind Idaho in
the boiler.

192
00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,000
But yeah, no, it's booming and
you write the demographics are

193
00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,600
changing, right?
So, and I think, also, I think

194
00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:01,000
we have to recognize that even
even within quote, you know,

195
00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,800
historically, Mormon families or
historically Utah families.

196
00:12:05,100 --> 00:12:10,200
They may not necessarily always
be active families within the

197
00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,400
LDS church or some form of
Mormonism.

198
00:12:12,700 --> 00:12:16,700
It's almost sad because Entire
used to have this thing of.

199
00:12:16,700 --> 00:12:22,400
Hey we're different in Utah and
I am having to take some classes

200
00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,200
right now and one of them is a
required like social justice

201
00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:30,000
warrior class that I just
punched myself for having to

202
00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,400
take.
It's a hammer to the crotch

203
00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:39,100
might be quicker and he said
that Expressions hilarious, but

204
00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,500
I've had to take one of those at
BYU for undergraduate.

205
00:12:42,700 --> 00:12:45,500
I did.
I did studied just about

206
00:12:45,500 --> 00:12:48,200
everything under the Sun at BYU
and we might talk about that

207
00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,700
later.
I was it some science stuff.

208
00:12:50,700 --> 00:12:54,300
I hated all the Pro Evolution
jargon and I did this other

209
00:12:54,300 --> 00:12:58,100
stuff and we also when I was at
my time at BYU was when we got

210
00:12:58,100 --> 00:13:01,200
into the fostering and so we had
a bunch of these kids at our

211
00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,600
house that that we adopted that
we had no clue what to do with

212
00:13:04,700 --> 00:13:06,000
because they're totally out of
control us.

213
00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:10,200
So I say okay and I come from a
broken home myself so I said,

214
00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:11,800
okay I'm gonna go figure out how
to run a family.

215
00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:16,300
So I take all these family
classes And because like who

216
00:13:16,308 --> 00:13:18,800
doesn't want to know how to run
a family because nobody knows,

217
00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,800
right.
But it turns out they didn't

218
00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:27,400
know either and I was really
disappointed that I didn't.

219
00:13:28,900 --> 00:13:32,600
But anyway the point is getting
at is I had to take another one

220
00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,900
of these social justice Warrior
classes there.

221
00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:40,600
And but anyway, I both of these
classes.

222
00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,500
This there are some nightmare
stories I can tell, From that

223
00:13:44,500 --> 00:13:49,000
class, right?
Is just what do you call them?

224
00:13:49,900 --> 00:13:53,400
There's a rhino's for Republican
in name, only because my no

225
00:13:53,700 --> 00:13:56,300
Mormon name only or a real Saint
in.

226
00:13:56,300 --> 00:13:59,000
Its, I know, I don't know, but
there's some of these professors

227
00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,000
that wedge their way into BYU
and another eyes.

228
00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,300
But anyway, this class, I'm
taking right now, the lady's not

229
00:14:07,300 --> 00:14:10,400
from Utah and she said, I'm
gonna have to move to Utah and

230
00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,700
I, it's crazy over there.
There's all these religious

231
00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,400
People and all this.
And I don't want to deal with

232
00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,400
that and she said, but I moved
here and I was so pleasantly

233
00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,900
surprised that that wasn't the
case and they were just all

234
00:14:21,900 --> 00:14:23,600
normal people.
I'm gone.

235
00:14:23,900 --> 00:14:28,900
Oh man, we want to be different,
but we're no longer, you know,

236
00:14:29,100 --> 00:14:32,900
I'd say there's still a remnant
of that, but we're so eager.

237
00:14:33,100 --> 00:14:34,700
You know, Joel, scows and talks
about this.

238
00:14:34,700 --> 00:14:38,200
He says, as a people, the
history of a being oppressed

239
00:14:38,900 --> 00:14:42,600
We're so anxious to fit in.
We're done, we're worn out, but

240
00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,000
then being oppressed, it's like,
okay, let's just we want to fit

241
00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,600
in a crowd now.
And that's, you know, if you

242
00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:51,500
want to have these lofty goals
of exaltation and all this, I'm

243
00:14:51,500 --> 00:14:55,100
sorry, that's the only way being
weird, is the only way in the

244
00:14:55,100 --> 00:14:58,000
Lord said it, right?
But lord said you are a peculiar

245
00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,300
people.
Yeah, you are a people that are

246
00:15:00,308 --> 00:15:03,300
different.
Well, when we strive to be like

247
00:15:03,300 --> 00:15:06,000
the rest of the world, just what
we're getting here at the

248
00:15:06,008 --> 00:15:07,700
world's problems.
Absolutely.

249
00:15:07,700 --> 00:15:11,300
And so And unless we're willing
to be weird again and it's

250
00:15:11,300 --> 00:15:15,100
something there we go make you
too weird again there you go.

251
00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,900
Yeah something like that.
We're going to make a bumper

252
00:15:17,900 --> 00:15:20,800
sticker and shirts and we're
going to make some money to make

253
00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,400
Utah Mormon again, maybe a
little bit.

254
00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,800
Yeah that might be a little bit
better but but it's an odd thing

255
00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:31,100
because I find myself now and I
mentioned it on the last

256
00:15:31,100 --> 00:15:34,100
podcast, I just did but it's
been floating around my head and

257
00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:38,000
for a little while here, we
almost need to get back to the

258
00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,800
side.
Perhaps we need to be a little

259
00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:46,400
bit of a counterculture, right?
I think, I mean obviously when

260
00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,600
you hear the word
counterculture, the first thing

261
00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:53,100
you think of is like hippies in
the park in the Haight-Ashbury

262
00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,100
smoking dope talking about
reaching a higher plane, right?

263
00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,000
But I don't think that's if you
if you look back in history

264
00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,100
there have been plenty of times
when there had their has needed

265
00:16:03,100 --> 00:16:06,300
to be a counterculture, right?
Let's not forget the founding

266
00:16:06,300 --> 00:16:09,700
fathers even printed off.
Off, you know, use different

267
00:16:09,700 --> 00:16:11,300
rooms and say, yeah?
Right.

268
00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,100
Or, you know, the, the early
early Christians, that was a

269
00:16:15,100 --> 00:16:16,200
counterculture.
Yeah.

270
00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,800
That was a very Christian
counterculture, Mariah where

271
00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,800
they were meeting underground
and that sort of stuff because

272
00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,300
they couldn't meet out out in
the open.

273
00:16:24,300 --> 00:16:27,100
So I think, I think we have to
get used to it.

274
00:16:27,100 --> 00:16:30,100
If for Mormons who are
traditionalist or

275
00:16:30,100 --> 00:16:34,600
fundamentalist, I think we have
to get back to this idea of we

276
00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,300
need to get comfortable with
being uncomfortable in Babel.

277
00:16:38,900 --> 00:16:43,100
You're right, there's so much
pressure that it's, it's so much

278
00:16:43,100 --> 00:16:47,900
almost, like legal pressure.
Now, to be zero religion, you

279
00:16:47,900 --> 00:16:50,200
know, it's like the state
religion is is atheism.

280
00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,800
Because if you do anything else,
you're in big trouble, and

281
00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,500
that's something that I've liked
that.

282
00:16:55,100 --> 00:16:58,000
One of the things that the
church has been involved with

283
00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:03,100
lately, is with the, with the
gay rights stuff.

284
00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:08,700
I'm not a we're very
conservative family and but In

285
00:17:08,700 --> 00:17:12,200
that I heard was, you know,
there's the old bake a cake for

286
00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,500
your gay marriage thing, right?
Right.

287
00:17:14,500 --> 00:17:18,200
So something that from what I
hear that the church has been

288
00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,599
pushing as let's not
discriminate against the

289
00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:22,800
individual.
Like, if this gay guy wants a

290
00:17:22,808 --> 00:17:25,000
birthday cake, I'm going to help
him out.

291
00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,900
That's no.
But if he wants a cake for his

292
00:17:27,900 --> 00:17:31,400
gay wedding, I can buy principal
say, that's against my moral

293
00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,000
convictions to celebrate that
and so I don't have to legally

294
00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,200
do that.
But sometimes going to say is,

295
00:17:37,900 --> 00:17:40,200
there's there's This politically
culturally politically correct

296
00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,600
culture that just consumes us so
much to where we won't even talk

297
00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,800
about ourselves and that's why
we're Sunday only people.

298
00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,700
Because we're so dang paralyzed,
and you've got different

299
00:17:50,900 --> 00:17:53,200
different inspired people to get
up and say, hey guys, we can't

300
00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:54,500
be a Sunday.
Only people.

301
00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,100
Even like, you know, I'm a
teacher.

302
00:17:58,100 --> 00:18:01,100
It used to be common and it is
legal to have a Bible on your

303
00:18:01,100 --> 00:18:03,900
desk or to have a picture of
Christ on the wall.

304
00:18:04,300 --> 00:18:06,600
And like, yeah, I'm not going to
shove my Ridge and down your

305
00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:13,200
throat but I'm going to be me.
And all my students know that I

306
00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,400
am a devout Christian.
And it's not, because I get up

307
00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,200
and say, hey guys, this is the
church, I go to this, is this,

308
00:18:19,500 --> 00:18:23,400
and I'll be friendly and answer
like, very basic questions, but

309
00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,400
I know my job is on the line if
I if I get detailed.

310
00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,100
So I don't but they just know
like oh that's the teacher.

311
00:18:29,100 --> 00:18:33,100
That doesn't swear that like
yeah I get it sometimes but

312
00:18:33,100 --> 00:18:41,500
generally speaking like that's
the you know, There's a, but

313
00:18:41,500 --> 00:18:44,300
there's what I'm getting at is
there's a lot of bit teachers or

314
00:18:44,300 --> 00:18:48,300
whatever your profession is, you
know, they just won't go there

315
00:18:48,300 --> 00:18:50,600
at all.
They won't be at all personal or

316
00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,400
talk about themselves because
they're afraid to get in

317
00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:57,000
trouble.
But we, you know, so it can't be

318
00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,800
too where we're so afraid that
we're paralyzed that.

319
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,500
Oh, it's illegal to be religious
person, right?

320
00:19:03,500 --> 00:19:06,800
You know, let's, let's not have
the state religion of atheism.

321
00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,200
Let's say instead of banning God
in Banning God everywhere.

322
00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,600
Let's say we're going to go
ahead and do your Christmas

323
00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,800
party.
Do your Hanukkah party, do your

324
00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,400
all your different religions,
you know, allow all the regions

325
00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:24,400
to be different.
Not just have the atheism going

326
00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,500
on as the main thing and it's
same with States, you know, like

327
00:19:28,500 --> 00:19:31,100
if we have all the states that
are the same way, there's this

328
00:19:31,100 --> 00:19:34,000
big push to make them, you know,
every law has to be a federal

329
00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,700
law.
So everybody has to do it, you

330
00:19:35,700 --> 00:19:39,400
know, the abortion.
Why are they so upset if You've

331
00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,400
still got states, that can, you
can go do your abortion in,

332
00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,500
right?
Let let us have our freedom to

333
00:19:45,900 --> 00:19:50,900
be our own people and run away
to some state of Refuge or, you

334
00:19:50,900 --> 00:19:53,200
know.
So these it's hypocritical

335
00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,400
because a lot of the social
justice Warriors and stuff.

336
00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,700
They'll say, if you bring up
like, hey man, I know you're in

337
00:19:58,700 --> 00:20:01,000
the black lives matter thing.
But what about all lives matter?

338
00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:04,300
And they specifically say,
that's not enough and that's not

339
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,400
representing an understanding
what's going on.

340
00:20:08,300 --> 00:20:12,400
It has to be black Sighs matter
or it has to be this specific

341
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,100
thing.
They've, they're not satisfied

342
00:20:15,100 --> 00:20:21,400
with equality for everyone.
They want something else so I

343
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:32,900
had just had a comment.
You also have to be very quick,

344
00:20:32,900 --> 00:20:37,700
I guess to raise a peculiar
people in your own home because

345
00:20:37,700 --> 00:20:40,000
the older, your kids get.
Get the more they're going to

346
00:20:40,008 --> 00:20:41,800
want to be just like everybody
else.

347
00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:45,700
And if they're not trained on,
hey, we do this.

348
00:20:45,700 --> 00:20:50,500
Because this and people out
there are going to say this, and

349
00:20:50,500 --> 00:20:53,900
you have to be willing to say
this, or you are going to face

350
00:20:53,900 --> 00:20:55,700
this.
And this is what you do to

351
00:20:55,700 --> 00:20:58,700
combat this.
They're going to immediately

352
00:20:58,900 --> 00:21:01,800
think that you're an idiot,
right?

353
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:07,000
Like my parents are just insane
because everybody else out their

354
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,100
functions this way, and yeah.
We are different than everybody

355
00:21:11,100 --> 00:21:13,700
else, but we're different for a
reason.

356
00:21:13,900 --> 00:21:17,000
And if you train them from as
young as you can, I mean some of

357
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,400
our kids, we got seven plus
years old right?

358
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,400
So you can only train somewhat
at that point after they've been

359
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,900
in foster care and received
other education, otherwise but

360
00:21:27,900 --> 00:21:31,200
still if you come in as early as
you can and you train them, this

361
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,600
is the way we do it because this
is the way God wants us to do

362
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,300
it.
And we invite you to embrace All

363
00:21:39,300 --> 00:21:41,600
kinds of people.
We're not saying you have to

364
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:46,200
shun other people far from it,
that's not our religion, right?

365
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,600
But we are asking that if you
get in this situation in which

366
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,100
you feel like the Holy Ghost
couldn't be there, you need to

367
00:21:52,100 --> 00:21:55,700
leave, you know, and that is
perfectly acceptable.

368
00:21:55,700 --> 00:21:59,000
And that's okay to be peculiar
in that way, right?

369
00:21:59,700 --> 00:22:04,200
No, that's that's great stuff.
And Look if your kids ever give

370
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,400
you guys grief for being weird.
Send them to my place for a

371
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,500
little while, you know, Lem Lem.
Check out the Mormon

372
00:22:10,500 --> 00:22:12,200
fundamentalist.
They'll be running back here.

373
00:22:12,700 --> 00:22:16,400
You guys are so cool.
No, it really love being we love

374
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,400
having.
We look for weird friends as

375
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:25,100
much time can actually excited
to go to Joshua Erik Erikson's

376
00:22:25,100 --> 00:22:29,600
for the Rosh.
Hashanah thing later, we met at

377
00:22:29,608 --> 00:22:31,900
one of those things earlier, and
it's just really cool group of

378
00:22:31,900 --> 00:22:35,700
people that these biblical
holiday celebrations Joshua's

379
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:41,700
great people and me him, and his
whole family are Nate, I got,

380
00:22:41,900 --> 00:22:45,400
excuse me, I got a question for
you.

381
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,800
Your urine kind of the belly of
the Beast, right in your work.

382
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,900
You have to see everything.
You have to go to all those

383
00:22:55,900 --> 00:23:01,800
trainings that sort of stuff.
What's going on in public

384
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,500
education?
That's turning kids out the way

385
00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:07,300
they are.
Now, how are you?

386
00:23:08,300 --> 00:23:11,700
I just turned 31.
Okay, I'm going to give you an

387
00:23:11,700 --> 00:23:16,700
example. when I was a kid
growing up and and again, small

388
00:23:16,700 --> 00:23:21,900
town Western Idaho We would, we
would take our shotguns to

389
00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:24,700
school with us, right?
We would go play football,

390
00:23:24,700 --> 00:23:26,200
right?
We would go to football

391
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,300
practice.
We get done in football,

392
00:23:28,300 --> 00:23:31,900
practice and for anyone who's
familiar with Western Idaho.

393
00:23:31,900 --> 00:23:34,500
I'm sure you'll get the
reference here, but then we say,

394
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,500
let's head out to a Cooter's
farm and let's go blasted Ducks.

395
00:23:37,700 --> 00:23:41,900
So, nobody knows a shotgun is
anymore, but my point is, is

396
00:23:41,900 --> 00:23:47,300
that For years, kids were taking
rifles and shotguns to school.

397
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:52,100
And there was never an issue.
And then somewhere, 19, late

398
00:23:52,100 --> 00:23:55,000
90s.
We started seeing school

399
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,500
shootings.
Now, I'm not asking you to

400
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:04,000
diagnose that specific problem,
but we have seen exponentially a

401
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:10,200
growth in issues within public
education from your estimate.

402
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,400
What do you think's going on
there?

403
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,800
That's contributing to the that
it's got to be how we're not a

404
00:24:14,808 --> 00:24:17,400
Christian Nation anymore.
You know, like in the

405
00:24:17,408 --> 00:24:20,200
Scriptures, it says these people
believed in this unknown God,

406
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:20,600
right?
Was it?

407
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,600
Paul or sometimes preaching to
the right.

408
00:24:22,700 --> 00:24:28,900
And these the curriculums and
all this are the proud.

409
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,300
I get to be a fly on the wall.
Sometimes when the kids are

410
00:24:31,308 --> 00:24:34,000
doing therapy, sessions will not
like a group therapy session in

411
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,500
my classroom.
Something and this therapist

412
00:24:36,700 --> 00:24:39,500
will just sit there and spew all
this random nonsense.

413
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,000
It's like where do you get this
stuff?

414
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:47,600
Well, it's YouTube videos and
point is this is not like a you

415
00:24:47,608 --> 00:24:50,000
know, ideally you've got
authorized priesthood

416
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,600
leadership.
That's getting Revelation on how

417
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,700
to you know.
So without a Christian Society

418
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,700
we don't have a family based
society.

419
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:03,700
And that's you know the whole
the whole point of Christian

420
00:25:03,700 --> 00:25:08,000
Living basically is to have you
be a family person in my

421
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:13,200
opinion, right?
You gotta so so She had,

422
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,700
there's, there's nobody cares
about Christianity and family

423
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,000
and it's like, so we're just
wandering around blind.

424
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,900
It's like, how are we going to
get anything, right?

425
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,400
It's a wonder that we're still a
nation at all, but we still have

426
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,800
any coherence.
So, let me ask you this, having

427
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,500
looked at the problems in
immediately Do you think the

428
00:25:33,500 --> 00:25:36,700
public education can be saved as
it is right now?

429
00:25:38,700 --> 00:25:41,400
So, we're doing everything in
our power to keep our kids out

430
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,300
of public school.
What we're gonna head there and

431
00:25:43,300 --> 00:25:46,800
just this, I want to dive into
this, a little bit.

432
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,000
Do you see it being able to be
fixed?

433
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,500
Megan, I'm gonna answer that for
you, okay?

434
00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:57,500
And my answer to that is no,
because I look at the

435
00:25:57,500 --> 00:26:01,200
curriculums that I use and the
curriculums, I specifically

436
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,000
choose not to use that.
I know that the public schools

437
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:09,400
near us do use and part of the
problem is Just like Hannah

438
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,000
said, on your podcast a while
back, we're altering history.

439
00:26:12,900 --> 00:26:19,500
And when you alter history you
alter everything else and and

440
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:24,800
unless you go back and you
change the history and the

441
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:33,700
science and the sex, ed for lack
of better word, you change all

442
00:26:33,700 --> 00:26:37,600
of it.
You're doing a complete rewrite

443
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,200
of every curve.
Rick ulam that is in that school

444
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,700
and the odds that that's ever
going to happen are pretty near

445
00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:49,000
zilch.
And so, unless you do an

446
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,100
overhaul of everything, they're
teaching those kids, I don't

447
00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:58,200
think you can because it comes
down to, I mean, the fact of the

448
00:26:58,208 --> 00:27:02,800
matter is, there's no such thing
as A.

449
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,300
Even kilter.
Curriculum, it's either teaching

450
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,000
good things or teaching bad
things.

451
00:27:11,300 --> 00:27:17,100
We have this mindset that we can
just be neutral and it's not

452
00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:22,700
really true.
And so perfectly God-fearing

453
00:27:22,700 --> 00:27:26,300
people think that they are
teaching in the public schools,

454
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,800
neutral curriculum and they
don't realize where some of that

455
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,700
curriculum is come from.
They don't realize the changes

456
00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:36,200
that have happened to get to
where they are.

457
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:43,500
That curriculum and without
going back I mean Saxon Math

458
00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:47,300
used to be taught in public
schools and it's a perfectly dry

459
00:27:47,300 --> 00:27:52,200
math curriculum, but it's a
God-fearing math.

460
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:57,200
Curriculum, some of this Common
Core stuff has all sorts of

461
00:27:57,300 --> 00:28:01,200
roots in all of these people.
That smart.

462
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:06,100
Yes, very much.
So, and without overhauling all

463
00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:07,900
love it, which I think is
impossible.

464
00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:10,100
At this point, you can't save
it.

465
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:16,200
So, one of the things that
frustrated me and tease me

466
00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:25,800
again, is a dad, was this idea
that that they would teach my

467
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,900
kids?
What could what to think, not

468
00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:29,000
how.
Yes.

469
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:29,700
Right.
Very much.

470
00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:35,200
So drove me nuts, right?
And as a guy who is Big on the

471
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,800
early found, you know, the
founding fathers of the United

472
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,700
States so much.
So I moved my family back East

473
00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:43,000
so I could be in the middle of
it.

474
00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:47,400
When my kids start coming home
and saying, you know, Dad

475
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,100
really, I don't know why we have
a picture of Washington in our

476
00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:52,000
living room.
He was nothing but a rich white

477
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,400
slave-owner.
Uh-huh.

478
00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:56,800
Right.
And I was like, yeah.

479
00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:08,100
And I was like, okay, so these
there, they're told what to

480
00:29:08,100 --> 00:29:11,600
think.
Now I'm a guy that likes True.

481
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,300
Even if it's Uncomfortable.
Yes the truth.

482
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,500
Yeah, right.
And I don't think the truth has

483
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:21,400
an agenda.
The truth is because it's true.

484
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:22,600
Yeah.
Right.

485
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:28,800
And so my biggest gripe has been
when, you know, don't don't tell

486
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,000
them what to think, teach them
how to teach them, how to argue

487
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,800
a position both for and against,
right?

488
00:29:36,300 --> 00:29:41,000
And they they inevitably just
couldn't do it.

489
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,100
So we ended up jerking our kids
out of school, right?

490
00:29:43,300 --> 00:29:47,800
Our homeschool traditional you
online stuff with are the two

491
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,000
that we have left, but the kind
of conversations that we're

492
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,900
having now are vastly different
than the kind of conversations

493
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:01,300
that we were having when they
were in public school at what

494
00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:05,600
point as you guys as parents,
did you make the decision?

495
00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:08,200
Okay, we're at your current kids
out of school.

496
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,100
Where do this ourselves?
So, before we do that, I just

497
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:13,000
want to say there's I'd say
there's two.

498
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,000
Sides to why the public school
is broken.

499
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,400
Number one is what Megan said,
the curriculums whack and it's

500
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,400
lies.
Number two, is, the behavior is

501
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,000
out of control.
These teachers, not allowed to

502
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,000
discipline their kids.
A teacher is looked down on if

503
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,400
they have to kick it out of
their class like oh that teacher

504
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:32,800
can't handle their class.
No.

505
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,700
It's that teacher needs a raise
because that teacher is actually

506
00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:39,900
holding their kids accountable
to some decency.

507
00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:44,300
So the kids are going to school.
I can I can make Reteach, you

508
00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:47,200
know, I know Washington was a
good guy, you know?

509
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,400
And it's like you can't do in
one hour during dinner in the

510
00:30:50,408 --> 00:30:52,500
evening.
What they do six hours a day to

511
00:30:52,500 --> 00:30:54,600
kid?
Can't, I can't undo six hours in

512
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,000
one hour, so it's inherently,
you can't do it.

513
00:30:57,100 --> 00:31:00,800
But the thing that I think is
even harder to undo is the

514
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,300
behavior.
My kids going to go to school

515
00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:06,200
and he's gonna learn from his
buddies but it's cool to be the

516
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,000
thug life and it's cool to be
anti-christian and anti-family

517
00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:15,000
and it's cool to be all these
other Sketchy things that and,

518
00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:18,700
you know, and that is extremely
difficult to untrain a kid.

519
00:31:18,900 --> 00:31:21,700
Once he's learned those
permissive behaviors, right?

520
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,200
No, that's that's a good point.
So at what point did you guys

521
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,600
decide that you wanted to
home-school, right?

522
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,500
Because that's a big decision,
right?

523
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:34,400
It is, I know it was for me and
my wife and I'll tell you how I

524
00:31:34,408 --> 00:31:37,500
got to my decision.
I always said, no, let's not

525
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:39,600
homeschool the kids because I
don't want them to because I

526
00:31:39,608 --> 00:31:42,200
don't want them to be weird.
And then all of a sudden, I

527
00:31:42,208 --> 00:31:45,300
found myself Let's homeschool
the kids, so they won't be

528
00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:48,500
weird, right?
Let's keep them closer to home.

529
00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:51,800
What what was it about
homeschooling and attracted you

530
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,900
guys, too?
Well, I think part of its what

531
00:31:55,900 --> 00:31:59,400
Nate said we had kids coming
home from the public school that

532
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,700
we are having to untrain in the
evenings.

533
00:32:01,700 --> 00:32:04,600
And we're like, oh my gosh, we
spend all of our time on

534
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,400
training what they just were
taught in school.

535
00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:11,200
And we want to spend our
evenings, you know, playing

536
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,700
games watching movies, going on
outings doing fun things, not

537
00:32:15,700 --> 00:32:20,200
just fun, training them from
everything and or even doing

538
00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:23,400
insane amounts of homework, you
know, in the evenings as like we

539
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,600
want to have Part of our day for
us.

540
00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:28,500
Not just be school.
School, school school, school,

541
00:32:28,500 --> 00:32:34,500
all, all the way all the time.
Another thing was my son who is

542
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:41,200
currently in fourth grade was in
preschool at the time and he has

543
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:47,400
some special needs and the
Teacher at the time I had a

544
00:32:47,408 --> 00:32:54,400
really hard time with that and I
felt like, you know what, I can

545
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,600
teach my kids spilling while
he's jumping on the Tramp for

546
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,800
each letter, that's fine.
I feel confident that I can do

547
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,200
that and he doesn't have to be
told all the time that he's a

548
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,000
bad kid because he can't grasp
these Concepts because he can't

549
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:12,300
sit still in the class room.
So part of it was Meaning our

550
00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:15,600
kids where they were at with the
special needs that they had.

551
00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:21,500
And part of it was that I wanted
to be able to teach them from

552
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:25,600
the beginning from a Christian
basis.

553
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:31,900
And every year, I search for
curriculum, some of it, we use

554
00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:35,000
the same brand of curriculum.
You know, that we use the year

555
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:40,800
before some of it, we find we
find new things but I try to

556
00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:47,400
with Time teach every single
subject through a Christian lens

557
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:50,400
because that's completely
different from what they'd be

558
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,200
getting at the public school and
yet, God should be the center of

559
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,800
our lives.
And so I never imagined myself

560
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,900
homeschooling that wasn't ever
something.

561
00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:05,400
That I felt like was going to be
in the cards for us.

562
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,300
My mom and my sister are both
Public School teachers.

563
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,400
They has a sister, that's a
public school teacher.

564
00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:17,699
ER, we totally, you know, love
and support our public school

565
00:34:17,699 --> 00:34:20,600
teacher friends and family.
He's a private school teacher,

566
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:26,199
you know, but we felt like for
the good of our family.

567
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:34,199
It was necessary to teach them
from a god-centered basis.

568
00:34:34,699 --> 00:34:37,199
Did you guys get pushback from
your friends and family when you

569
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:45,000
say, yeah, of course.
So yeah I had a let's just say a

570
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:50,300
certain easiest cool person of a
certain amount of authority when

571
00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:54,900
we were found out that we were
homeschooling is we live in a

572
00:34:54,908 --> 00:34:58,400
small town.
The school was like the center

573
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,100
of the town, you know?
And I yeah this is what we do.

574
00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:05,600
He's like oh that's too bad.
You know, just really down

575
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:14,300
inflate it and like, yeah.
Don't sir Phillip, okay.

576
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:18,800
It wasn't like acting as an
official position of denouncing

577
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,200
us anything.
It's just, it's people think

578
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,000
it's so bizarre.
And like if you're homeschooling

579
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,800
your kids, they're going to turn
out to be extremely antisocial

580
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,900
uneducated and just you're
losing them all these

581
00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:33,400
opportunities, they can have in
their life.

582
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:39,600
But it's really this weird, you
know, President Trump talks

583
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,500
about how like oh we're going to
be socialist so far.

584
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,100
Not careful.
It's like we're already pretty

585
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:46,200
much Social, right?
That's like we don't even

586
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,700
comprehend that.
There's an alternate way to do

587
00:35:48,700 --> 00:35:51,800
things, you know, other than the
Socialist ways.

588
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,700
And so we're trying to study
Outcast, we're the only people

589
00:35:55,700 --> 00:36:00,300
in our town well for this and
this lot of people picked up and

590
00:36:00,500 --> 00:36:05,400
yeah we I guess that is.
Anyway, we're going a little

591
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,600
better town now and we've got
some really blessed with a

592
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,500
neighbor that doesn't stuff, but
but no.

593
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,700
I got reading like probably Jack
Monet or something one of these

594
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:19,900
and, and Joel skousen, I would
go to his lectures and listen to

595
00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:23,200
his weekly briefing and he's
just talking about how, like,

596
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,400
how are your kids going to learn
to listen to their conscience if

597
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,700
they're getting all this fire
hose from from the state.

598
00:36:30,100 --> 00:36:34,300
And so I I dropped the idea to
Megan and like, hey, this would

599
00:36:34,300 --> 00:36:37,700
be a really great thing for, you
know, I think we'd have a lot

600
00:36:37,707 --> 00:36:42,000
more success, winning our kids
over to God and and to us, Us

601
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:47,500
and to all this good things into
loving education, not just Megan

602
00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:49,900
learned a lot in school, she's
like really smart.

603
00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:54,200
I just had fun in school and,
you know, so it's a sacrifice

604
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,900
on, you know, it's not that some
schools like the best thing ever

605
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,000
because I'm sure if there's like
if there's a decent school has

606
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,100
God-fearing teachers, it has
boundaries, like the community

607
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:08,800
is a strong community that
they're not gonna, you know,

608
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,200
I've nothing against that maybe
with like older kids Elementary

609
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,300
kids, especially benefit from
homes.

610
00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:16,000
Going for the extra bonding,
their parents.

611
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,800
But so, I was kind of prodding
Megan in that direction after I

612
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,100
heard that concept introduced
me.

613
00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:23,400
She's like, that's kind of crazy
eventually.

614
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,200
She just came to me one day and
she's like, Nate.

615
00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:28,700
I don't know why I've been
resisting this long.

616
00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:32,000
This is what we need to do.
I was like, whoa, sure about

617
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,600
that.
Because she's the main, you

618
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,300
know, one that has it on while
I'm at work, right?

619
00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:40,900
So I let her kind of take the
reins on whether or not we

620
00:37:40,900 --> 00:37:44,600
wanted to get into it.
And anyway, you had a section

621
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:50,400
here, you sent me some notes and
he has section, I'm so sorry.

622
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:51,700
I don't know what's wrong with
my voice.

623
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,500
Um, you had a section in there
called how to teach and in the

624
00:37:56,500 --> 00:38:00,100
reason I want to go there is
because as I've talked to other

625
00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:03,500
people about homeschooling where
they've came and they've said,

626
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:08,000
you know, gosh I'd love to get
my kids out of public education.

627
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:12,200
But people have been conditioned
to think, unless you are a

628
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,400
professional educator, you can't
do this, right?

629
00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:19,500
And so that section there, where
it says, how to teach caught my

630
00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:22,800
eye, because for you, I'm
guessing it was probably a

631
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,700
little easier because you're a
professional teacher, right?

632
00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:27,600
That's that's what you are by
trade.

633
00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:31,200
So, yeah, that that probably
wasn't as big of a deal for you,

634
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,100
you know.
Can I be a teacher so to speak?

635
00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:38,700
As it is for say somebody who's
Yeah not ever done it.

636
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:45,600
So I want to explore that how
you guys teach so Megan and I

637
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,600
are both have our two cents on
this but my thing that I'm

638
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:53,700
really passionate about is You
get the kid reading and you let

639
00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:57,200
him read.
It's that simple.

640
00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:01,800
When you boil it all down, it's
get the kid reading.

641
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,400
Advise them.
Good books to read and, you

642
00:39:05,408 --> 00:39:08,500
know, you can discuss that have
them write about it, you know,

643
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,900
all this, but the heart of it is
have them read good books for

644
00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:16,000
heaven sakes because, you know,
they'll go to the public school

645
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,900
and what's in that Library, the
public school.

646
00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:23,300
It's at least three quarters
fiction fantasy nonsense and

647
00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:25,100
that's what these kids reading
day, in and day out.

648
00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:31,700
If anything So and you'll get
kids will say, you know, I never

649
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:35,300
read a book till I graduate high
school and what do you do when

650
00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:37,000
you get into?
If you're any, if you're ever

651
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,000
going to get into a rigorous
training like a college or

652
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,600
something, not that all college
is rigorous, but if you ever

653
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,100
going to take learning
seriously, You need to know how

654
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:48,600
to read a book and get your own
information.

655
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,000
And I remember Jaclyn a tells
this story about how there's

656
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,800
this kid who took a college
chemistry class, it was

657
00:39:55,808 --> 00:39:59,000
home-schooled, didn't know, dang
thing about chemistry, but and

658
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,900
he noticed that, oh, all these
are people know this, I don't

659
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:02,300
know, dang thing.
So he goes home.

660
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,100
He reads the book, and he shows
up, and he gets an A in the

661
00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:08,500
class and he's piece of cake.
And the professor's.

662
00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:10,800
Like, what happened?
Because you didn't know dang

663
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,600
thing.
Is I just read the books.

664
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:13,800
What do you mean?
You just read the book?

665
00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:18,000
Yeah, this kid knows how to read
a book and harvest information

666
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,500
out of it says novel idea.
And that's another thing is the

667
00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:25,800
Home school parents, you don't
have to kill yourself over dead,

668
00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:30,200
you know.
So that's one of the big, one of

669
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,300
the big things is get them
reading and and point them in

670
00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:36,900
the direction of hey, this book
like is not this books, kind of

671
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:38,900
trash.
Like, how about this book?

672
00:40:38,900 --> 00:40:41,000
It's still fun.
It's still interesting, but it's

673
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,500
actually going to teach you some
history or it's actually going

674
00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:46,800
to the character actually keeps
the law of Chastity, you know?

675
00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:56,800
Yeah.
I also think Obviously, as Nate

676
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,500
said, I'm the one that does a
lot of the teaching during the

677
00:40:59,500 --> 00:41:04,700
day to my kids and a lot of the
stuff to be perfectly honest

678
00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:07,700
with you.
I didn't learn in school.

679
00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:11,700
I was valedictorian, but I
didn't learn a lot of stuff in

680
00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:15,400
school because I follow the
curriculum of the school.

681
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,100
And so, some of the things that
I'm teaching, my kids are things

682
00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:22,300
that I didn't learn until it was
time.

683
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,800
Time to teach them to my kids,
the beauty of homeschooling is

684
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,900
that you get to learn them right
along with them and that's

685
00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:34,400
bonding as well.
So when I let them know that I'm

686
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,900
studying, Galileo, and
Copernicus and Thomas, More this

687
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:42,700
semester we're working on
Renaissance Minds is my main

688
00:41:42,700 --> 00:41:44,700
theme I guess for our semester
this year.

689
00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:48,400
And so I'm studying these people
right along with them because

690
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,200
Galilei was like, you know, this
paragraph and my science book.

691
00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:57,700
Upon a Time and goodness knows
Thomas More is like nobody even

692
00:41:57,700 --> 00:42:03,600
knows who the heck he is.
So it's these things that our

693
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,200
kids need to know that we didn't
learn his parents.

694
00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:11,500
The we have to go back and learn
with the children.

695
00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:14,700
I'm not talking about learning
Common Core math with the

696
00:42:14,700 --> 00:42:18,100
children.
I don't do that either but I'm

697
00:42:18,100 --> 00:42:21,800
talking about as you follow
their interests and there's

698
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:22,400
nobody better.
Sure.

699
00:42:22,408 --> 00:42:24,400
To follow your children's
interests.

700
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:29,000
Then you because a teacher of 30
kids can't follow the rabbit

701
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:34,400
trails that your son wants to
do, you can and I can look and I

702
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,500
can say, okay my some really
thrives with Hands-On science

703
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:42,100
projects.
I am going to carve out this

704
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:45,500
much of my time to do Hands-On
science projects with my kid.

705
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:51,700
Every other day, they can't do
that outside of the public

706
00:42:51,700 --> 00:42:53,600
school.
They don't know what he's

707
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,200
interested in.
Even if they do know what he is

708
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,300
interested in, they can't always
Taylor what they do to that one

709
00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:02,300
child.
They have to tailor it everybody

710
00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:06,100
in the classroom which is not
tailoring it at all, right?

711
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,800
And so how to teach really is,
well, are you bonded with your

712
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,700
child?
Are you trying to learn along

713
00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:16,800
with your child?
Because if those two are Through

714
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,400
your child, is receiving an
amazing education.

715
00:43:20,700 --> 00:43:23,700
Whether you got a college degree
or not, whether you graduated

716
00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:27,300
high school or not, you don't
have to frankly, you need to

717
00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:29,800
learn and teach them how to
learn.

718
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:35,300
That's how you teach.
And they're going to have more

719
00:43:35,300 --> 00:43:39,700
time and space at home to curl
up in the corner without 50

720
00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:43,600
girls, distracting them and read
a book, you know.

721
00:43:43,900 --> 00:43:47,100
And like my Megan, Megan was
saying, yo, you cater it to

722
00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:51,000
them, you know, we can spend a
bulk of our time on this topic.

723
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,600
Is it your favorite topic?
This subject which you can't do

724
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,300
in the, in a traditional school?
And I've, you know, I'll say

725
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,300
school is not a, it's not a
place to learn stuff.

726
00:44:03,300 --> 00:44:08,400
It's a It's a it's a dating
Fishbowl or it's a you know it's

727
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,400
just you go there.
They don't do their makeup

728
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,600
everyday in Germany.
All this like in America were

729
00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:18,900
we're like these rock stars
every day and like we're not

730
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:21,400
there to learn anything.
We're there to, you know,

731
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,300
fashion show and to screw around
and and it's really hard to

732
00:44:25,300 --> 00:44:26,900
focus on actually learning
something.

733
00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:29,000
When you're just under the
constant barrage of peer

734
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,000
pressure, so at home, we're
gonna you're gonna bond with

735
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,900
your parents.
You're gonna No, and it doesn't

736
00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:36,900
have to be complicated, you
know.

737
00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:44,800
Well let me ask you this one of
the major Our critiques of

738
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,900
homeschooling that we all here
is that hey, your kids are going

739
00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:52,600
to be weird because they're not
going to get any social

740
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,100
interaction.
Have you guys dealt with that?

741
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,900
So that's one of my favorite
things and there's this group

742
00:44:59,900 --> 00:45:05,700
called The National homeschool
and Research Institute and they,

743
00:45:05,700 --> 00:45:11,300
they run the statistics.
And It's not statistically

744
00:45:11,300 --> 00:45:13,400
correct to say that a
homeschooled kid is going to be

745
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,400
more of a goofball and we've all
known the goofball home school

746
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,600
kid.
But that's that's not to say

747
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:26,700
that that's the statistics.
So there's a couple of ways that

748
00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:30,200
I want my kid to be normal and
stuff and there's other ways

749
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:35,400
that I don't want to be normal.
And one of the really important

750
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,400
things is having other kids,
when Possible.

751
00:45:39,900 --> 00:45:44,400
So when you have a large Sibling
Group man you're getting so much

752
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,000
socialization.
You're constantly out punching

753
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:52,500
each other and crying together
and forgiving each other and get

754
00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:55,300
in trouble together and getting
punished together.

755
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,400
And you're doing, you're going
all through.

756
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,100
It's not just during school, and
okay, everybody sit in your desk

757
00:46:01,100 --> 00:46:04,100
and like okay, I'll go Slough, a
class every blue moon, so I can

758
00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:10,200
have some time with my friends,
but it's The Sibling Group, if a

759
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,600
family can have a bunch of kids,
you know, a handful kids.

760
00:46:14,900 --> 00:46:19,400
That's the ideal laboratory for
socializing a kid to make them

761
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:24,500
normal, you know, and and a lot
of the, you know, in public

762
00:46:24,500 --> 00:46:27,400
school you'll segregate into
grades and it.

763
00:46:27,408 --> 00:46:29,600
So don't talk to the eighth
graders because they're like

764
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,000
their 8th graders, they're way
above me or their way below me.

765
00:46:35,100 --> 00:46:39,400
And when you're in school at
home you're working more

766
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,800
directly with adults.
You're with the police in adult.

767
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,100
And so you're going to be more
apt to look in the built in the

768
00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:51,000
eye and Shake someone's hand and
and and that's the other thing

769
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,900
is, if you're again it's the
blind leading the blind, the

770
00:46:55,900 --> 00:47:00,200
adult to child ratio at a public
school, you know is pretty bad,

771
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,200
right?
It's like 40 kids in a class.

772
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,300
Now, most families don't have 40
kids, you know if they do,

773
00:47:06,300 --> 00:47:09,400
they've got a couple sisters to
help out.

774
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:10,400
Right?
Right.

775
00:47:11,500 --> 00:47:20,200
But yeah, awesome train of
thought but that there's certain

776
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:25,600
things we do want them to you
know get an aren't our kids are

777
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:30,500
really are really sweet kids and
you know a lot of times you

778
00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:36,100
learn those negative things like
you know there's there's

779
00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:39,300
negative things you learn in
positive things and you can

780
00:47:40,300 --> 00:47:43,500
Especially when you have some
siblings to bounce off of, you

781
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:47,400
know, to socialize these kids,
it will work out well and you

782
00:47:47,408 --> 00:47:51,600
can, you can expose them to, you
know, hey, we're going to watch

783
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,800
a movie on, you know, Gandhi or
we're going to, you know.

784
00:47:56,100 --> 00:47:59,500
So yeah, that's a that's
important when you have

785
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:02,900
anything.
Yeah, I would say, we worry a

786
00:48:02,908 --> 00:48:08,800
lot about socialization, but We
don't worry enough about the

787
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:14,400
type of socialization in my
opinion, so I can tell my kids

788
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:22,100
to go play with a group of
friends their age and they

789
00:48:22,100 --> 00:48:27,900
usually come home.
And there's more of an air of

790
00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:38,200
disrespect and there's more of a
tendency to use biting sarcasm

791
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,200
and things like this.
So the kids use all over the

792
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:48,400
place today.
If I just go go off and play, if

793
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:52,800
I know the parents of the kids
that these guys are playing with

794
00:48:52,800 --> 00:49:00,800
if we're going to School groups,
which we do, or we're going to

795
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:07,300
museums or things like this,
which we also do controlled

796
00:49:07,300 --> 00:49:13,700
socialization, I guess they're
actually learning how to act

797
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:18,400
like dignified women and decent
gentleman.

798
00:49:18,700 --> 00:49:24,500
Instead of just how people in
our society, their age Act, And

799
00:49:24,500 --> 00:49:28,700
frankly, you can tell me that my
kid needs to be banging and

800
00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:31,300
actin cool.
All you want as a form of

801
00:49:31,300 --> 00:49:35,100
socialization but I'm not going
to believe you because I feel

802
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:39,100
like my kids need to act
appropriately and they need to

803
00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:44,200
be kind to other people and
that's not always the typical

804
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,600
socialization, sure.
Socially awkward feeling that

805
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,600
you get a lot of times as your
conscience, actually, telling

806
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,300
you that's stupid.
You don't have to do that, you

807
00:49:53,308 --> 00:49:57,000
know, if there's a People
jumping around like primates at

808
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,000
a dance, like, you don't feel
comfortable at that and that go

809
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,800
come on.
Yeah, this is actually stupid

810
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,800
and I'm not going to do it and
that's okay.

811
00:50:05,300 --> 00:50:07,900
You know?
And obviously there's that's

812
00:50:07,900 --> 00:50:11,200
another thing is, we can, you
know, there's there's a lot of

813
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,700
cool groups that do any things
like this is an actual Dance.

814
00:50:15,900 --> 00:50:20,200
Now, the lights are going to be
on and the music is going to be

815
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,700
decent, and you're going to
respect each other.

816
00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:26,600
And you're going to be
chauffeured and all this.

817
00:50:26,700 --> 00:50:28,800
Yeah, explain to me, homeschool
groups.

818
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:33,600
What is that?
I'm groups of parents that

819
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,300
believe, similarly have
different philosophies in

820
00:50:37,300 --> 00:50:42,000
homeschooling live in the same
geographical area that we will

821
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,700
get together with and sometimes
we'll just get together at a

822
00:50:46,707 --> 00:50:49,700
park and the parents will talk
while the kids play the park.

823
00:50:50,300 --> 00:50:53,900
Sometimes will do more
structured activities, more like

824
00:50:53,900 --> 00:50:57,900
field trips where we actually
like I organize one recently was

825
00:50:57,900 --> 00:51:03,300
at the kids young looming Farm
And they got to learn about how

826
00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:06,100
to distill essential oils and
stuff like that, you know?

827
00:51:06,100 --> 00:51:09,800
So sometimes we'll do more
structured activities and

828
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:15,300
sometimes it's just hanging out,
but it's with other homeschool

829
00:51:15,300 --> 00:51:17,300
families.
I guess that we've discovered in

830
00:51:17,300 --> 00:51:22,800
the area to socialize away.
Gotcha, gotcha.

831
00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:28,300
That's it.
Most I'd say most well I don't

832
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:31,400
know, I think social reasons
like we said there's the

833
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,700
academic side and there's the
social side to public life and

834
00:51:35,700 --> 00:51:41,000
education and I do most wager
that most homeschoolers do it

835
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,300
for the predominantly the social
side.

836
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,000
You know, they want to give
their kids a Cutting Edge

837
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,800
education, but even more than
that, they want to They want to

838
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,300
protect their kids and they want
to give them a proper

839
00:51:53,300 --> 00:51:55,800
socialization, right?
Yeah.

840
00:51:56,100 --> 00:51:58,900
So it's really neat to find
these little basically

841
00:51:58,900 --> 00:52:04,200
underground communities.
That, you know, it's like

842
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,000
counterculture.
Oh, yes.

843
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,300
So, yeah, there's a lot of good
things that happen there and

844
00:52:11,500 --> 00:52:14,700
there's some things that, you
know, there's some popular

845
00:52:14,700 --> 00:52:18,400
things in the home school world.
That that are not as good as

846
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:19,200
others.
Yeah.

847
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:24,500
There's a There's a little
sometimes, there's some leanings

848
00:52:24,500 --> 00:52:29,200
to more fantasy reading.
Or I'm not saying don't have

849
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,600
fun, and Rita fun book, now,
then, but some of the, some of

850
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:37,900
the like nerdy nerdy stuff, we
try to tone down on, and so,

851
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,000
but, but by and large, the
people that I've met homeschool

852
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,400
groups are really high caliber
people, that I feel confident

853
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,000
letting my kids be socialized
around them and we'll kind of

854
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,200
Know if the kids at Public
School date, do you know who

855
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,300
they're hanging out with?
No, and you have met you like,

856
00:52:56,500 --> 00:53:01,400
you have no idea and and are
they going to tell you the truth

857
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,000
about it?
Like, especially, if you're a

858
00:53:03,008 --> 00:53:07,100
conservative religious family,
which is a minority group and

859
00:53:07,100 --> 00:53:10,500
your kid goes to school and most
kids have insecurities, they're

860
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:12,900
not just going to come home and
say yeah I did this another

861
00:53:12,900 --> 00:53:15,700
going to lie about it because
they want to save face.

862
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,500
I know, you know, and really
quick.

863
00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:21,900
You get a double life.
Get your school Persona and your

864
00:53:21,900 --> 00:53:27,200
home Persona and that is really
unhealthy, you know, for your

865
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:32,300
spirit and everything else.
So so what are you guys plans?

866
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:35,500
As far as your kids in college,
right?

867
00:53:35,500 --> 00:53:40,900
I mean because we can shelter
them all, we want K through 12,

868
00:53:40,900 --> 00:53:44,100
right?
But when they go off to college

869
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,000
that's a different ball of wax,
right?

870
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,500
I think we're particularly
responsible for our Children

871
00:53:50,500 --> 00:53:54,000
when they're living in our home
by then if they want to go and

872
00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:57,900
you know, go off the deep end
like maybe that's what they need

873
00:53:57,900 --> 00:54:00,800
to do.
Who knows, but we're going to do

874
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:06,000
our darndest to to Shepherd them
and keep them from the wolves.

875
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,900
And you know, only expose them
to situations where we're

876
00:54:09,900 --> 00:54:16,200
confident they would Thrive or
so it's our it's not as much our

877
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,000
stewardship anymore once they're
adults and and with how immature

878
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:24,500
Kid is, it's like, kids were
never supposed to be, you know,

879
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,000
first off because you're
supposed to raise your raise and

880
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,000
religious communities, which is
just not a thing, the 21st

881
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:35,200
century maybe like I've told my
wife, when you like, go to those

882
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,000
Amish communities and see if
they'll let us move in.

883
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,200
She's like nah, that you're a,
you're a heretic with the Book

884
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:49,700
of Mormon are not going to let
you in, but anyway, that's yeah.

885
00:54:50,500 --> 00:54:55,300
So one of the things that we do
with our kids that we liked a

886
00:54:55,300 --> 00:54:59,700
lot was because the you School
online.

887
00:54:59,900 --> 00:55:02,300
Yeah.
That frees them up to have some

888
00:55:02,300 --> 00:55:05,100
different opportunities and a
lot of other kids wouldn't have

889
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,200
one is working.
Yes, my kids almost have an

890
00:55:09,207 --> 00:55:13,500
advantage over a lot of other
kids because since it is online,

891
00:55:14,300 --> 00:55:16,500
they can do school whenever they
want.

892
00:55:16,500 --> 00:55:17,200
Right?
Yeah.

893
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,100
So my kids have gotten a couple
of Really cool job.

894
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:23,900
They're really cool
opportunities blacksmithing or,

895
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,600
you know, just to name one,
where he could go and do because

896
00:55:27,700 --> 00:55:29,100
you can do school when he gets
home.

897
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,600
Yes.
I mean so he has that.

898
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,200
Have you guys had any singing
you that as far as an advantage?

899
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,000
You know.
I don't know how old your kids.

900
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,200
Well yeah.
Yeah.

901
00:55:38,300 --> 00:55:42,500
Our oldest is 13, so we haven't
quite gotten to that yet, but I

902
00:55:42,500 --> 00:55:45,800
do love.
We've got kids in dance and

903
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,200
karate and piano, and things
like that, that We find that

904
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,400
it's much easier to do when
whatever things flexible, and

905
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:59,100
you can do things, whenever but
also, I just want to go back to

906
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:01,300
your previous thought for a
second.

907
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:11,600
So Nate and I were both raised
in the Church of Jesus Christ.

908
00:56:11,700 --> 00:56:16,000
He went to BYU, I went to
Westminster which, you know, a

909
00:56:16,008 --> 00:56:17,700
lot about Westminster.
It's the one that was like,

910
00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:21,200
recently in the news for having
a Graffiti course, all that

911
00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:23,500
jazz.
Well, they were founded as a

912
00:56:23,900 --> 00:56:27,500
college.
The whole College was founded to

913
00:56:27,500 --> 00:56:33,500
combat Mormonism.
So I'm not going to say that my

914
00:56:33,500 --> 00:56:39,600
child has to go to a school or a
church sponsored school because

915
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:47,400
I feel like I thrived having to
be the one to stand up for my

916
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,800
beliefs.
Now, I'm not necessarily going

917
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,600
to recommend my child.
Go to Westminster either.

918
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:56,000
I don't necessarily believe in
everything that they teach you

919
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:57,900
right?
And I don't necessarily feel

920
00:56:57,900 --> 00:56:59,800
like it's the best environment
for a kid to be in.

921
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:03,500
I felt like I was very LED there
by the spirit and I would hope

922
00:57:03,500 --> 00:57:07,300
that I have taught as you've
referenced before my children,

923
00:57:07,300 --> 00:57:11,400
how to think, and how to be in
tune with the spirit.

924
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,200
And if they know how to think
for themselves and how to follow

925
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,200
the guidance of the Holy Ghost,
I think they'll end up exactly

926
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,700
where they need to be.
If they ignore either of those

927
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:29,000
things I can't speak for it.
Not you, gotcha kid is his brain

928
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,100
is not to wear.
I don't think God intended.

929
00:57:32,100 --> 00:57:35,300
Kids, walking make all these
complex decisions.

930
00:57:35,300 --> 00:57:39,300
We throw them into in the in
today's society.

931
00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:44,800
You know, and sewing complex,
like you have a social media

932
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,200
account with 200 friends and
you've got all these different

933
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:52,100
things that all these different
kids are doing and all these

934
00:57:52,100 --> 00:57:56,200
different.
This kids In the religious

935
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,500
community.
This this kids this could care

936
00:57:59,500 --> 00:58:01,900
less this, you know?
And so they're having to

937
00:58:01,900 --> 00:58:06,200
negotiate all these different
social dynamics and you know

938
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,900
it's like do we really expect
them to thrive in that

939
00:58:10,100 --> 00:58:13,500
situation?
I find social media.

940
00:58:15,100 --> 00:58:18,000
While it certainly helped me
especially with this broadcast

941
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,700
and and I'm not I'm not going to
say, it doesn't have a time in a

942
00:58:22,700 --> 00:58:25,800
place.
What I will say is that it is

943
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:31,600
completely ineffective way to
communicate with people because

944
00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:36,200
We're just not designed to do
that, right?

945
00:58:36,300 --> 00:58:39,300
We're designed to talk like this
where I can see your face.

946
00:58:39,300 --> 00:58:43,300
You can see my face, we can pick
up social cues and we can make

947
00:58:43,300 --> 00:58:46,600
decisions Based off of that,
right?

948
00:58:46,700 --> 00:58:50,400
And so with social media, a lot
of times what I would personally

949
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,700
what I think is that you get to
hide behind your handle or

950
00:58:53,700 --> 00:58:57,100
whatever it is and you can say a
lot of stupid crap but you don't

951
00:58:57,100 --> 00:58:58,400
get the full effect of what it
is.

952
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,000
You're saying that because you
don't see the hurt on somebody's

953
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:05,500
face.
Now, I will say this, I think we

954
00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:09,600
don't give our kids enough
credit sometimes or expect

955
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:14,000
enough out of them, right.
If we look back in in just the

956
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:18,000
Revolutionary, Right.
George Washington is 16 year old

957
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,700
16 years.
Old is voted as Fairfax County

958
00:59:20,700 --> 00:59:23,000
Surveyor, all right?
And so he's out there.

959
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:27,800
Leading Men into the frontier
often.

960
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,300
I've thought that that one of
the reasons our kids are

961
00:59:30,300 --> 00:59:33,200
suffering as much as they are
now is because we haven't

962
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,900
expected enough from now.
And I'll say, when it comes to

963
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,600
Expecting high expectations of
young people, that is definitely

964
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,800
an idea lost to our society.
It's like, oh I'm under 18.

965
00:59:46,900 --> 00:59:51,500
My job in life, is to show up to
school and then vegetate in the

966
00:59:51,500 --> 00:59:53,500
evenings and weekends.
Yeah.

967
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:59,600
And but yeah, and and the thing
is, they still have that their

968
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:05,100
children of God who want to do
something with her life.

969
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:10,300
And it goes the wrong way.
And basically my one of my

970
01:00:10,300 --> 01:00:14,400
things I say is, if you have a
kid with a cell phone that kid

971
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,300
is dating, whether they'll admit
it or not, whether they, you

972
01:00:18,300 --> 01:00:21,900
know, they especially if they
have social media or internet

973
01:00:21,900 --> 01:00:26,500
access that kid is dating now
and they're so they're going to

974
01:00:26,508 --> 01:00:29,800
want to date, you know, around
that age.

975
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,400
And so they're going to try to
do it but they're not telling

976
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,500
their parents about what's going
on.

977
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,400
They're not You know, asking
permission to see this person,

978
01:00:38,900 --> 01:00:43,300
they're not getting, you know,
their parents advice on this

979
01:00:43,300 --> 01:00:47,500
person, there's not two families
meeting each other and hey, I

980
01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:52,800
recommend this relationship as
the parent involvement.

981
01:00:53,100 --> 01:00:57,000
So I think one of the reasons
that we have so much teenage

982
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,500
delinquency is that, you know,
this is how you be a part of

983
01:01:00,500 --> 01:01:03,000
this community and we just don't
have Community anymore.

984
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:05,900
I think, I think that's a big
part of it.

985
01:01:05,900 --> 01:01:10,300
I think the idea of community
has changed a lot over the

986
01:01:10,300 --> 01:01:15,000
years, and the idea of community
we have now is okay.

987
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:19,200
We have this town with whole
bunch of houses, really close

988
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,100
together that have the same
government leader.

989
01:01:22,100 --> 01:01:25,800
And so we have a community but
how many of us actually know,

990
01:01:26,100 --> 01:01:30,300
like, 10 people that live within
half a mile of us?

991
01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:33,400
Like most of us, don't know, all
of our neighbors.

992
01:01:33,500 --> 01:01:37,800
We Out because we don't care.
Why would we care to?

993
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,200
As Christians is one of our
duties to go and meet our

994
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,400
neighbors.
Like most people could care less

995
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,400
because their philosophies on
life are completely different.

996
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,100
So real Community is when you
have a group of people have

997
01:01:49,100 --> 01:01:52,200
similar philosophy on life.
Oh absolutely.

998
01:01:53,600 --> 01:02:00,800
But I think the whole idea, I
mean, the Mormons left, the

999
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:05,000
United States to create
community, T a group of

1000
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:09,200
like-minded people who were
practicing what they believed

1001
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:13,200
together.
And we don't see that even if

1002
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:20,200
your the church has Wards or
branches or whatever, it's still

1003
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:25,400
not the same level of community
because it's not on every front.

1004
01:02:25,900 --> 01:02:29,400
It's not your church and your
school and your government are

1005
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:33,700
all these like-minded people
anymore. you know, I remember

1006
01:02:36,500 --> 01:02:41,100
there were a few times when I
was in the LDS church that I

1007
01:02:41,100 --> 01:02:49,700
felt like My ward or my, the
people I went to church with

1008
01:02:49,700 --> 01:02:52,600
were really, my come one is
where I joined.

1009
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:56,900
The LDS church at out in Western
Idaho, great farming will

1010
01:02:56,900 --> 01:02:59,600
farming Community, right?
But it was small.

1011
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:03,500
So everyone knew who everyone
was the others when we move back

1012
01:03:03,500 --> 01:03:07,800
East, because once you cross the
Mississippi Mormons, get a

1013
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,000
little scarce, right?
I mean, yeah, you're just as

1014
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:11,600
many out there.
I remember when we were in

1015
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:17,400
Maryland, we Greater distances
between members.

1016
01:03:17,700 --> 01:03:21,100
But man, when there was a reward
function, we were all there

1017
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:28,300
because we, we understood, we
had to have each other's backs.

1018
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:29,700
Yeah, right.
We were it.

1019
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,900
So I, I agree totally with you
that that we don't have that

1020
01:03:33,900 --> 01:03:39,000
same Society, right?
That same idea of community, we

1021
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,100
have a little bit of it like
when we moved into our house

1022
01:03:42,100 --> 01:03:45,700
right now, There is an anthill
of Elders to help us.

1023
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:50,100
There's a lot of that was a
Delta is amazing, but, you know,

1024
01:03:50,100 --> 01:03:53,200
other than like this, you really
rudimentary things like we're

1025
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:57,300
gonna help each other move, or
we're not kind of alcohol, our

1026
01:03:57,300 --> 01:04:02,100
group parties or, you know, not
that that's like the worst crime

1027
01:04:02,100 --> 01:04:06,200
in the book either, but it's
something that we subscribe to

1028
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:07,900
because it's our communities.
Like, okay?

1029
01:04:07,900 --> 01:04:10,800
You want us as a community not
to not to use alcohol.

1030
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:17,900
All right, fine.
There's temporary policies that

1031
01:04:17,900 --> 01:04:22,500
it's okay to I'll sacrifice that
one for the sake of community.

1032
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:28,700
But but other these like, really
basic things, like it's really

1033
01:04:28,700 --> 01:04:35,000
hard to find.
This even in even in your church

1034
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,300
and all this.
It's hard to find people who

1035
01:04:37,300 --> 01:04:41,700
have similar views other than
the very, very Basics.

1036
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:46,000
So, how do you guys, how do you
suggest you Foster's, that

1037
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:50,300
Community, right?
Because that's something that I

1038
01:04:50,300 --> 01:04:54,300
think we we all desire at some
level, right?

1039
01:04:54,500 --> 01:05:00,700
And fundamentalist Mormons are
pretty fractionalized, right?

1040
01:05:00,700 --> 01:05:04,100
Yeah, you're either in Pendant
or your may be part of a group

1041
01:05:04,100 --> 01:05:06,900
and you don't associate with
people from another group.

1042
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,100
I've seen that before, how is it
then?

1043
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:15,400
And you can really see it in the
LDS church because the type of

1044
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,500
members you might get an LDS
word are going to range

1045
01:05:18,500 --> 01:05:21,600
dramatically, right?
Like we moved around another

1046
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,800
liberal or yeah, exactly.
As I say we moved around enough

1047
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:29,100
where I can always spot the same
people in different body so it's

1048
01:05:29,100 --> 01:05:30,600
a great.
Yeah, there's the liberal

1049
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:34,100
Mormons, there's a A super
conservative Mormons, there's

1050
01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:37,500
you know that guy who bought his
testimony last month.

1051
01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:42,000
It'll bore Barrett.
Again the next stps, the same

1052
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,800
ten people, right?
So it's so they all have those

1053
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:50,200
those certain personalities.
So it may be just as hard to

1054
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,800
form that that level of
community even within the LDS

1055
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:55,900
church as it is for anybody
else.

1056
01:05:56,900 --> 01:06:01,100
So have you guys done?
I'll just say the homeschool

1057
01:06:01,100 --> 01:06:06,300
groups have been a really big
Revelation for us and you kind

1058
01:06:06,300 --> 01:06:12,600
of get lucky so it's like I said
it's an underground secret

1059
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,100
operation.
Basically Revolution through

1060
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:18,000
exist that hardly anybody knows
about but it does exist.

1061
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,600
There's this group of people and
I'm not saying people who go to

1062
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,700
public school, don't care about
this and that and that they're

1063
01:06:23,700 --> 01:06:26,500
not amazing people.
Like I said earlier, It's not in

1064
01:06:26,508 --> 01:06:32,800
the cards for everybody, but
another thing that's really cool

1065
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:37,100
that we've stumbled on is back a
couple of years ago.

1066
01:06:37,100 --> 01:06:42,400
We found the the Stoddard's and
the all the cool stuff they do.

1067
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,500
They're raising the bar groups
of this group of handful of

1068
01:06:45,500 --> 01:06:51,900
people who, you know, who they
want to have high dress

1069
01:06:51,900 --> 01:06:54,100
standards.
They want to have high standards

1070
01:06:54,100 --> 01:06:58,800
in general, they actually care.
It's not just them, but there's

1071
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,600
this really cool, you know?
And they have I think we found

1072
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,900
it through Facebook or something
like some, you know.

1073
01:07:06,300 --> 01:07:11,300
But these every now and then
there's with with technology

1074
01:07:11,300 --> 01:07:14,900
today we can find groups of
people that like you live here

1075
01:07:14,900 --> 01:07:17,600
on out of there and we'll get
together and do something every

1076
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:21,900
now and then and hey maybe like
my kid's gonna make friends with

1077
01:07:21,900 --> 01:07:25,200
your kids and you know, from
from such children come other

1078
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:29,500
children rights.
Doesn't feel wrong, but they've

1079
01:07:29,500 --> 01:07:33,900
been really inspiring group
trust that, you know, just a

1080
01:07:33,900 --> 01:07:38,100
group of people that is not just
there, because they have to be

1081
01:07:38,300 --> 01:07:41,600
that Savon Church.
Religion itself is voluntary,

1082
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:45,100
but you get what I mean?
Like if you stop going to, you

1083
01:07:45,100 --> 01:07:47,700
know, Church means routes of
huge stigma.

1084
01:07:48,300 --> 01:07:52,400
And it's a huge thing that, you
know, that, like a lot of people

1085
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,800
have a testimony that they need
to go to some kind of church.

1086
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,200
And so, Do it.
That's about where it ends.

1087
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:02,100
And yeah.
So there's this little groups, I

1088
01:08:02,100 --> 01:08:08,900
would also say a lot of the
groups that we have

1089
01:08:09,500 --> 01:08:20,200
quote-unquote found our groups
that we made or we followed

1090
01:08:21,399 --> 01:08:25,600
interest in intuition to insert
ourselves into.

1091
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:33,600
So, So I mean, like rust Barlow
is into homeschooling as well.

1092
01:08:33,700 --> 01:08:36,800
And when like Nick said, once we
got into the Stoddard's work

1093
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,700
that opens is this whole
Pandora's box, right?

1094
01:08:39,700 --> 01:08:42,700
Of all these cool, little people
that go to things like Book of

1095
01:08:42,700 --> 01:08:45,500
Mormon, evidence conferences,
and things like that, and we

1096
01:08:45,500 --> 01:08:49,600
take our kids, we take our kids
to those conferences, the kids

1097
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,700
that are old enough to
understand what's going on.

1098
01:08:51,899 --> 01:08:56,899
We say, come to the lectures
with us and we take I'm out to

1099
01:08:56,899 --> 01:09:01,500
Dean's house Dean sessions
rights, the universal model

1100
01:09:01,500 --> 01:09:10,600
science and so you involve your
entire family in in these things

1101
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:14,300
and people get to know you and
your family you know and I think

1102
01:09:14,300 --> 01:09:17,100
that's how it should be.
Nate mentioned that we believe

1103
01:09:17,100 --> 01:09:21,399
the same thing with dating.
We're not trying to have our

1104
01:09:21,899 --> 01:09:26,300
thirteen-year-old date yet but
we do discuss like When you

1105
01:09:26,300 --> 01:09:31,800
date, we want to know the family
of the people that you are

1106
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:34,500
trying to go on a date with, we
don't want you to just pick some

1107
01:09:34,500 --> 01:09:37,500
random boy and go on a date.
Like, we will take the family

1108
01:09:37,500 --> 01:09:40,500
over to that family's house and
get to know them.

1109
01:09:40,500 --> 01:09:46,000
And I think as you insert your
entire family into these things

1110
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:51,000
then you find groups of people
that are willing to do the same

1111
01:09:51,008 --> 01:09:54,100
thing.
I had a real problem in our last

1112
01:09:54,100 --> 01:09:58,500
ward with the way that they Did
ministering because I told them

1113
01:09:58,500 --> 01:10:03,500
you know what Nate is gone.
A lot of the day and when he

1114
01:10:03,500 --> 01:10:07,100
comes home we often have family
things that we need to be

1115
01:10:07,100 --> 01:10:09,800
involved in and so I would like
to minister to people who are

1116
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:15,000
willing to have my children over
when I come over and they're

1117
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,100
kind of like, oh well we don't
really do that and I was like,

1118
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:23,300
okay most of the people in this
world are like older for one

1119
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:28,600
like you don't have anywhere.
That you have to be a lot of the

1120
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,500
time, like maybe you have
doctors appointments and things

1121
01:10:30,500 --> 01:10:33,100
like that.
But is it really that hard to

1122
01:10:33,100 --> 01:10:37,300
find one or two people that I
can take my kids over and talk

1123
01:10:37,300 --> 01:10:39,500
to?
I really struggled with the fact

1124
01:10:39,500 --> 01:10:41,900
that was that hard for them to
find somebody that I could take

1125
01:10:41,900 --> 01:10:46,600
my children with to go, say
hello to go because I feel like

1126
01:10:47,500 --> 01:10:51,200
my children should be learning
from the older generation and I

1127
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:54,500
should be taking them to hear
stories of their grandchildren

1128
01:10:54,500 --> 01:10:57,300
and stories of when they were
little Maybe the baked bread or

1129
01:10:57,300 --> 01:11:00,700
cookies with them, so that they
can have a different perspective

1130
01:11:00,700 --> 01:11:04,800
than what I can give them the
ultimate lie.

1131
01:11:06,500 --> 01:11:09,600
There is no group that's going
to do things, the way that your

1132
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:13,900
family will, so your family is
the quintessential group.

1133
01:11:14,100 --> 01:11:17,200
That's why I'm such a big
advocate of trying to have large

1134
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:21,800
Sibling Group, which is often
not in the cards.

1135
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:23,600
It's a health reasons or
whatever.

1136
01:11:23,700 --> 01:11:24,800
It's hard.
Alright?

1137
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:29,700
And then, there's the social
stigma of, you know, of that

1138
01:11:29,700 --> 01:11:33,400
makes it psychologically for us,
we just can't fathom having a

1139
01:11:33,407 --> 01:11:40,400
big family assassin.
You know our culture but I'm

1140
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:45,200
sure that's going to tie onto
your we're going to talk about

1141
01:11:45,300 --> 01:11:47,900
till marriage and how it can
help do that, too.

1142
01:11:47,900 --> 01:11:50,300
Is you create your own little
army, you know?

1143
01:11:50,500 --> 01:11:56,400
And that's that's the you can't
rely on any group and I'm very

1144
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:01,000
big on You can accomplish about
as much as you set your mind to.

1145
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,400
Now I'll admit that I have
high-functioning anxiety and I

1146
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:09,400
probably bite off more than I
should sometimes.

1147
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:17,300
But the fact of the matter is we
have 10 children, eight of whom

1148
01:12:17,300 --> 01:12:27,200
at least have special needs and
as a person who has a genetic

1149
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,700
illness myself, Have cystic
fibrosis.

1150
01:12:30,700 --> 01:12:33,500
I had to have my own
accommodations going all through

1151
01:12:33,500 --> 01:12:38,100
school and I was frequently
hospitalized even when we

1152
01:12:38,100 --> 01:12:41,200
started Foster parenting, we
were like going through the

1153
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:44,800
trainings, counting up the
respite days, like, okay, how

1154
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:48,100
many respite days do we get so
that I could go take my two

1155
01:12:48,100 --> 01:12:54,800
weeks in the hospital and you'd
still be okay Nate if you

1156
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:59,400
couldn't get all the time off
work or if You have so many days

1157
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,600
built up off work.
Do we have enough?

1158
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:03,900
Respite days that we can make
that work that I could go in

1159
01:13:03,900 --> 01:13:08,300
patient and get my IV therapies.
Like, I am not the I'm going to

1160
01:13:08,300 --> 01:13:14,500
climb Mount Everest, girl here,
and I am at home teaching

1161
01:13:14,700 --> 01:13:16,900
multiple special needs children
every day.

1162
01:13:17,300 --> 01:13:26,400
So you don't have to be like
this amazing, I have everything

1163
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,300
put together.
I have a Money and great health

1164
01:13:29,300 --> 01:13:32,400
person because that's not us at
all.

1165
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:37,900
Really quick thing has to do
with that is you're not going to

1166
01:13:39,100 --> 01:13:41,400
You know, this is this.
You're not going to screw up

1167
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,500
your kids if you, if you School
them on your own.

1168
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:49,200
I remember my mom, my mom's
someone.

1169
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,100
I look up to a lot.
She was wanting a family of 13.

1170
01:13:52,100 --> 01:13:56,700
I'm her youngest of eight, and
she's just this really DieHard.

1171
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:02,000
She loves the Lord her person
and she loves her family, and

1172
01:14:02,700 --> 01:14:06,100
she would sometimes get pulled
out of school as a kid to come

1173
01:14:06,100 --> 01:14:07,300
help.
Her little siblings because she

1174
01:14:07,300 --> 01:14:10,300
was one of the oldest.
And her mother would tell her,

1175
01:14:10,300 --> 01:14:13,600
you know what, you might miss
one or two days at school here

1176
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,100
and there to help the family,
but I'd rather you have an

1177
01:14:16,100 --> 01:14:20,600
educated heart.
Then, you know, an Ivy League

1178
01:14:20,700 --> 01:14:23,900
training around, right?
So right.

1179
01:14:25,100 --> 01:14:27,300
That's that's super fascinating
Nate.

1180
01:14:27,300 --> 01:14:30,300
Now, the one thing you mentioned
you're just a few minutes ago

1181
01:14:30,300 --> 01:14:35,800
that that really caught my
attention was this this idea of

1182
01:14:35,900 --> 01:14:39,500
encouraging people to have
bigger families.

1183
01:14:39,700 --> 01:14:42,200
Absolutely.
And and that's weird in today's

1184
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:46,400
society and I'm going to share a
quick story with you of when we

1185
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:51,300
were adopting, our twins.
We had six kids.

1186
01:14:51,300 --> 01:14:55,700
Now when you talk even still
today, that's not unheard of You

1187
01:14:55,700 --> 01:14:58,400
know, I won't wouldn't say it's
normal but it's not very big.

1188
01:14:58,500 --> 01:15:01,200
It's not out of the Norm Norm,
right?

1189
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,900
And Utah, but we were in the
Idaho and I remember, I had

1190
01:15:04,900 --> 01:15:08,900
taken my family out for dinner,
which was me.

1191
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:13,800
My wife are for kids and then
the twins that we were adopting.

1192
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:17,200
Now the Twins were on some
oxygen and stuff.

1193
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,600
So it was, it was a little bit
of packing, all right?

1194
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,400
It was a little bit of, you
know, packing them in and out

1195
01:15:22,900 --> 01:15:27,300
and I'm not Proud of how I
responded I could have done a

1196
01:15:27,300 --> 01:15:34,100
better job, but I remembered
that as we were going in another

1197
01:15:34,100 --> 01:15:38,100
guy in a couple of his buddies
were going out and he made the

1198
01:15:38,100 --> 01:15:43,200
remark of that's just
irresponsible and I grabbed him.

1199
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:47,600
And I was a little forceful.
And I said, you don't know.

1200
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:50,900
Yeah, you don't know me surgery.
Shut your pie hole.

1201
01:15:50,900 --> 01:15:56,000
You don't know, right?
How do you, how do you encourage

1202
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:02,100
that in the society we live in
now, reduced to always having

1203
01:16:02,100 --> 01:16:06,800
to, you know, people's see our
family and the so I can never do

1204
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:07,500
that.
Your hands full.

1205
01:16:07,500 --> 01:16:11,000
It's like, it's okay, like, any
number of children is hard

1206
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:14,300
because it is once you get into
the parenting world you're done

1207
01:16:14,300 --> 01:16:18,700
for your whole world is yeah /.
Yeah, no, it's a time for a

1208
01:16:18,700 --> 01:16:22,900
whole new philosophy to life.
But so what?

1209
01:16:23,100 --> 01:16:26,300
Kind of used to like, you know,
so it's just as hard as one, you

1210
01:16:26,300 --> 01:16:32,000
know, this and this.
But but no I we wish there was

1211
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:36,500
more of a culture of like more
people did that and we ourselves

1212
01:16:36,500 --> 01:16:39,800
like we hope the Lord blesses us
with a bigger family than what

1213
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:41,600
we have.
Because it's like people say,

1214
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:43,400
well, how many dead kids are you
going to have?

1215
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,800
It's like well can you count the
stars in the sky.

1216
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,900
It's like why are you guys so
narrow-minded and focused on the

1217
01:16:48,900 --> 01:16:52,800
immediate, you know.
So why do you feel having a big

1218
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,700
family?
So important it's it's the

1219
01:16:55,700 --> 01:16:58,300
Lord's way and it's always been
the Lord's way.

1220
01:16:58,900 --> 01:17:01,800
The other way is socialism the
other way is the state has to

1221
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:05,100
take care of your family because
your kids don't know which way

1222
01:17:05,100 --> 01:17:07,100
is up.
They're going to go out and on

1223
01:17:07,100 --> 01:17:09,600
the Block and they're going to
hang out with who knows who and

1224
01:17:10,100 --> 01:17:11,800
and that these are involved
families.

1225
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:16,300
If you can make your own little
Clan, they can socialize each

1226
01:17:16,300 --> 01:17:18,100
other.
And no, that's a little bit

1227
01:17:18,100 --> 01:17:21,700
counterintuitive, but I can bear
my testimony to how it does

1228
01:17:21,700 --> 01:17:24,400
work.
I've seen, My kids are when our

1229
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:27,800
kids first came in our home, it
was constant scratching biting

1230
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:31,700
like constant stealing lying,
and that's changed in a big, big

1231
01:17:31,700 --> 01:17:35,500
way and we still have time
problems, but it's not been me.

1232
01:17:35,500 --> 01:17:37,800
And my wife that's been, you
know, we harp on them.

1233
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:40,500
We do.
But, you know, we love them a

1234
01:17:40,500 --> 01:17:43,300
lot and we harp on him a lot and
you need to do that as a parent,

1235
01:17:43,300 --> 01:17:48,700
but it's also been, we've given
them their siblings, you know?

1236
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:53,600
To help that.
It's like the scripture that

1237
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,600
says they can't be saved with us
and we can't be saved with them.

1238
01:17:57,300 --> 01:18:01,300
It's like the siblings need each
other, you know, excuse me.

1239
01:18:01,500 --> 01:18:03,300
I think you bring up a great
point.

1240
01:18:05,700 --> 01:18:10,000
At some point, parents, our
message gets stale right?

1241
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:14,000
I hate to say it, if you were to
put it in a in a sports term, at

1242
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,900
some point, you as coaches,
you're going to lose a locker

1243
01:18:16,900 --> 01:18:22,900
room, right?
However, if you have a strong

1244
01:18:23,300 --> 01:18:25,800
team captain, right?
Let's use football.

1245
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,600
I promise you at some point.
Bill Belichick's.

1246
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:33,300
Message for the Patriots, got
old, however, when Tom Brady

1247
01:18:33,300 --> 01:18:36,100
said it it carried more.
Wait, why?

1248
01:18:36,100 --> 01:18:38,700
Because Tom's one of them right
now.

1249
01:18:39,700 --> 01:18:42,100
Interesting might think of the
Gospel, you know.

1250
01:18:42,100 --> 01:18:45,400
Jesus our brother is a movie.
That's an interesting thing to.

1251
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:48,800
Yeah.
When when we start to see our

1252
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,300
twins Thrive and they were
horribly sick when we when we

1253
01:18:52,300 --> 01:18:55,200
first got, our son had a hole in
his heart.

1254
01:18:55,900 --> 01:18:58,800
Our daughter had a couple feet
of intestine.

1255
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:03,200
They had to be removed, she
didn't eat for the first four

1256
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:06,600
months of her life.
She was Fed through a PICC line,

1257
01:19:07,100 --> 01:19:10,700
our son had high blood pressure
till he was six.

1258
01:19:10,700 --> 01:19:16,100
I mean, just horrible problems.
However they perk up quicker

1259
01:19:16,100 --> 01:19:18,700
than all the doctors had said
yeah.

1260
01:19:19,100 --> 01:19:22,900
And one of the doctors made the
comment, I wasn't smart enough

1261
01:19:22,900 --> 01:19:24,900
to put this shit.
I'm sure my wife was but I

1262
01:19:24,907 --> 01:19:27,400
didn't.
He said, one of the reasons I

1263
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:29,800
think these kids are starting to
thrive now.

1264
01:19:31,300 --> 01:19:34,800
Is because they are working hard
at trying to keep up with the

1265
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,400
other four.
Absolutely.

1266
01:19:36,500 --> 01:19:41,800
We're getting more stimulus in
every way and and I found it odd

1267
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:46,400
that the state event at one
point one to take the kids away

1268
01:19:46,900 --> 01:19:48,600
because we already had four
kids.

1269
01:19:50,100 --> 01:19:56,900
And so I think it shows just how
upside down our culture is right

1270
01:19:57,300 --> 01:20:01,600
in this idea of the you know
less kids equals like a better

1271
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:04,400
quality parenting and I don't
think that's it whatsoever.

1272
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,500
So we run into this time and
time again.

1273
01:20:08,700 --> 01:20:16,300
So we're trying to raise a good
family obviously, but as I

1274
01:20:16,308 --> 01:20:21,100
mentioned before, we also have
some needs and we've had

1275
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:24,700
therapy.
As in now, social workers and

1276
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:27,100
all sorts of people through our
home.

1277
01:20:27,100 --> 01:20:30,900
And one of the comments that
we've gotten before, is that we

1278
01:20:30,900 --> 01:20:36,600
don't have enough quality time
to spend with each child because

1279
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:40,400
we have 10 children.
That's Babylon arithmetic, right

1280
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:41,500
there.
It is.

1281
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:46,800
I have a hard time with that
because, although, I may not be

1282
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:50,500
sitting there playing games for
an hour with each child

1283
01:20:50,500 --> 01:20:51,500
individually.
No.

1284
01:20:51,500 --> 01:20:54,200
I Don't have 10 hours of my day
to do that.

1285
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:59,300
My, you know, putting laundry
away with them.

1286
01:20:59,300 --> 01:21:01,700
Yes, am I doing dishes with
them?

1287
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:05,200
Yes.
Are we cooking cooking dinner

1288
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:06,300
together?
Yes.

1289
01:21:06,500 --> 01:21:09,600
Are we schooling together?
Yes, aren't you know, are we

1290
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,200
going on family outings
together?

1291
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:14,900
Yes, the irony is she spends
more time with her kids than

1292
01:21:14,900 --> 01:21:17,000
most women?
Most people do because most

1293
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,700
people, you know, there's the
old joke that you sent him to

1294
01:21:19,700 --> 01:21:22,800
school and that's the baby,
that's the Three babysitter.

1295
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:27,600
Yeah, I know.
So now you have fun together and

1296
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:32,800
yeah when it's and that's
another thing is when I went to

1297
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:34,800
siblings, enjoy each other's
company.

1298
01:21:35,300 --> 01:21:37,900
It's the same thing as that
person enjoying company with me.

1299
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:41,000
Because it's due to me that they
have that sibling.

1300
01:21:42,100 --> 01:21:46,400
You know, obviously it's due to
God but I, you know, it's like,

1301
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:50,600
we set up this intentional
social system to where you're

1302
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:55,300
going to get a ton, a ton, a ton
of time with your siblings.

1303
01:21:55,300 --> 01:21:57,900
I am the youngest of eight, but
most of my siblings were grown

1304
01:21:58,100 --> 01:22:00,300
out of the house.
By the time I came around and I

1305
01:22:00,308 --> 01:22:05,100
had my one sibling that I we
didn't, we're kind of opposites.

1306
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:07,500
We're kind of me and my wife or
kind of upsets.

1307
01:22:08,100 --> 01:22:12,800
But, and so, I was a lot of time
I was Trying to get out in the

1308
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:15,400
community and find somebody to
play with because I was the

1309
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:17,100
sports guy.
And my brother was the video

1310
01:22:17,100 --> 01:22:22,200
game guy, and I was the, you
know, and it had some negative

1311
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:27,500
impacts on my growing up, but if
there was like, you know, a

1312
01:22:27,500 --> 01:22:30,200
handful of kids in my house, I'm
sure would have been a lot

1313
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:37,100
easier to have a more, you know,
structured setting.

1314
01:22:37,100 --> 01:22:43,800
And anyway, there is a yeah.
So I came from a Biggest family,

1315
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,600
but I was so far in the tail end
and there's this Gap and all

1316
01:22:46,608 --> 01:22:51,000
this to where I kind of, you
know, kind of was like a smaller

1317
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:58,000
family in some ways to sure.
How do you think we get back to

1318
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:01,300
this idea of bigger families
being okay?

1319
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:11,500
Go back to the Bible.
So half of so the first one of

1320
01:23:11,500 --> 01:23:15,600
the first things we have in the
Bible is Adam and Eve.

1321
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:17,100
And what were they commanded to
do?

1322
01:23:17,100 --> 01:23:20,100
They were commanded to multiply
and replenish the Earth that

1323
01:23:20,100 --> 01:23:22,600
commandment has never been
rescinded.

1324
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:26,000
A lot of people rescind it all
the time in their own lives.

1325
01:23:26,500 --> 01:23:30,900
But God, never says, have one
child and be comfortable.

1326
01:23:31,500 --> 01:23:36,100
That's not in the scriptures.
He doesn't say have two children

1327
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:40,000
and when it starts to get
difficult, you can be done.

1328
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:44,200
We have difficult lives, but
we're going to keep living the

1329
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:48,300
Commandments.
Yeah, people will say you know

1330
01:23:48,500 --> 01:23:51,600
okay it's hard enough.
It's time to kind of pull back

1331
01:23:52,300 --> 01:23:54,600
and yes and no.
You got to be personally

1332
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,200
responsible for am I able to
provide?

1333
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:00,100
Am I able to provide their needs
temporally spiritually

1334
01:24:00,100 --> 01:24:03,500
emotionally?
But a lot of the time doing

1335
01:24:03,500 --> 01:24:07,400
God's work is where you're
swimming.

1336
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:10,100
Yeah, we are want to swim in
deep Waters.

1337
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:13,800
That's what you're meant to do.
So then there's the other half

1338
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:17,400
of it which is the biblical
plural marriage Doctrine.

1339
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:21,900
Right.
That's a you know the Catholics

1340
01:24:22,500 --> 01:24:25,200
esken Catholic guy or there's
this little video that played in

1341
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,400
The Temple visitor's center.
It was like this thing called,

1342
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:30,600
holy Envy or something that we
didn't Envy these other

1343
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:32,800
religions for how they do this
better than us.

1344
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,700
And that's okay.
And I would say, I have some

1345
01:24:35,700 --> 01:24:39,400
holy Envy for if there's a
situation where you're allowed

1346
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:40,800
to do what they did in the
Bible.

1347
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:45,800
No.
And it's, you know, I don't

1348
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:48,700
judge anybody, I do what I do
because of the way, I feel about

1349
01:24:48,700 --> 01:24:54,600
how things are right now, and
but I foresee a day and I hope

1350
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:58,300
for a day when, when they're 41,
when the government won't come

1351
01:24:58,300 --> 01:25:00,400
down quite so hard.
Because that's like the whole

1352
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,400
reason the church stopped in the
first place.

1353
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:06,500
And you know, it says you can't
build up Zion without the

1354
01:25:06,500 --> 01:25:09,500
celestial law and DNC on 32
other places, make it very

1355
01:25:09,500 --> 01:25:11,000
obvious, that's the celestial
law.

1356
01:25:11,500 --> 01:25:17,200
And to a lot of us that's like
super weird and but we do

1357
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:20,800
foresee it coming back when
maybe it's going to take like a

1358
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:24,000
World War to knock us on our
knees and maybe to knock the US

1359
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:28,700
government on its knees and you
know, but me and Megan were

1360
01:25:28,700 --> 01:25:31,000
talking about this on the way
over and she's like, I

1361
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:34,100
understand this intellectually
and doctrinally, like, in my

1362
01:25:34,100 --> 01:25:36,700
heart, I don't know if I'm ready
for that like that's okay.

1363
01:25:36,700 --> 01:25:39,700
Like you're not being asked to
do that right now by me or by

1364
01:25:39,700 --> 01:25:44,400
your conscience or you know,
your leaders and stuff and like

1365
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:48,400
I said, we're we respect people
who have different views than we

1366
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:54,200
do, but I told Megan, If we
weren't living the law of

1367
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:59,100
tithing right now.
You might understand it on a

1368
01:25:59,108 --> 01:26:02,800
doctrinal level.
But it'll be hard in your heart

1369
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:06,300
to give that because you'd say,
I don't know how we'd make it if

1370
01:26:06,300 --> 01:26:09,000
we had ten percent less income
and that's what she said about

1371
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:12,700
the, you know, social dynamics
with a plural marriage because

1372
01:26:12,700 --> 01:26:16,200
we know from the outside looking
in, we hear about a lot of

1373
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:20,600
stories of how its Heavenly and
consecrating and it brings you

1374
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:23,600
to God and Other Stories of how
people just couldn't get along

1375
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:27,500
sometimes.
And so she says in my heart it

1376
01:26:27,500 --> 01:26:29,700
would be something that I don't
know if I could do.

1377
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:34,300
It said well the Thing.
You know, if we weren't doing

1378
01:26:34,300 --> 01:26:37,200
that and then we got instruction
to do that.

1379
01:26:38,900 --> 01:26:40,400
We would see.
Now looking back.

1380
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:42,900
We're like, how would we survive
without tithing?

1381
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:46,600
Yeah, we want to know.
Oh my gosh.

1382
01:26:46,700 --> 01:26:50,700
There's no way the God just
constantly helps us financially

1383
01:26:50,700 --> 01:26:55,800
because we got paid tithing.
So anyway, so bring back this

1384
01:26:55,800 --> 01:27:00,300
big families and I think one of
the biggest reasons for that,

1385
01:27:00,300 --> 01:27:05,900
plural, marriage is this thing
that God favors is because it

1386
01:27:05,900 --> 01:27:10,100
does encourage big families, and
when you have a Family, you can

1387
01:27:10,100 --> 01:27:13,500
have that Community, you build
your own, you build your own

1388
01:27:13,500 --> 01:27:16,200
because there's never going to
be a community that well, there

1389
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:19,100
is, we're going to build Zion,
it's going to be great and I'm

1390
01:27:19,100 --> 01:27:20,900
sure there's some communities
out there that I know nothing

1391
01:27:20,900 --> 01:27:24,700
about that.
I my hat's off to him but

1392
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:30,400
family, you know, it's like, oh,
I'm big into religion.

1393
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:35,000
I'm big into politics and
digging this but the biggest

1394
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:39,300
thing that we need to be in to
his family and if I'm not like

1395
01:27:39,300 --> 01:27:43,200
extremely politically active and
I spend most of my efforts with

1396
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:45,400
my family, you know, it's to
each person or conscience of

1397
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:48,700
where they're called, right.
But am I doing something?

1398
01:27:48,700 --> 01:27:52,400
Good for my country by focusing
on family instead of by focusing

1399
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:54,000
on getting someone to vote for
somebody?

1400
01:27:54,700 --> 01:27:55,900
I'd say heck.
Yeah.

1401
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:00,900
That's the exponential way to
save the world is to have a

1402
01:28:00,900 --> 01:28:04,300
family and go big at it.
So there's a couple things

1403
01:28:04,300 --> 01:28:08,500
there, you know.
Excuse me.

1404
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:14,600
One part you said you know that
that the best way you can help

1405
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:18,800
Society right now is by having a
bigger family, right?

1406
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:20,800
Raising good kids.
They're going to go out into

1407
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:24,500
society and they're going to
contribute I agree with you

1408
01:28:24,500 --> 01:28:30,200
wholeheartedly I think sometimes
we tend to look at Well this

1409
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:33,200
will be my calling forever right
now.

1410
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:36,100
Some point you're going to
become grandparents so maybe

1411
01:28:36,100 --> 01:28:40,400
that more politically active
route happens later in life.

1412
01:28:40,500 --> 01:28:43,400
Right now.
There is the if we want to go

1413
01:28:44,100 --> 01:28:51,200
full scale Doctrine right here
and you know you can when you're

1414
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:54,800
older person, you can continue
to let's say she passes

1415
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:57,900
menopause, you know like in
God's law like the fault, if

1416
01:28:57,900 --> 01:29:00,300
that's fully operation.
And you can bring another person

1417
01:29:00,300 --> 01:29:03,600
in your family to continue where
I having that posterity, but I

1418
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:07,400
get what you're saying with the
different phases of life for can

1419
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:11,100
do different things, right?
The other thing that I would say

1420
01:29:11,100 --> 01:29:15,600
as well, is that as Mormons?
We yearn for Zion, right?

1421
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:17,900
Yes, we want Sania.
Well, what son?

1422
01:29:17,900 --> 01:29:22,200
It's a Godly Society.
It is a people who are

1423
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:28,100
completely turned to God and in
doing that we have this complete

1424
01:29:28,100 --> 01:29:32,400
turning towards each other.
What's the basic fundamental

1425
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:37,200
building block of any society so
it's those kids, it's the

1426
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:40,000
family, right?
So it's easier to convert a kid

1427
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:44,500
then to raise up a kid, you
know, then to change an adult's

1428
01:29:44,500 --> 01:29:47,600
mind, right.
It's familes right.

1429
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,900
This individuals and spam, those
are the individual building

1430
01:29:50,900 --> 01:29:54,800
blocks.
I tend to think that we will

1431
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:59,000
have Zion as Ian society when we
have Zion fail.

1432
01:29:59,100 --> 01:30:03,200
Well, yeah, you which are larger
kids and that's one of the

1433
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:06,100
things that Nate and I were
talking about on the way here to

1434
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:10,200
I said, you know, plural
marriage might be a Zion

1435
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:17,000
principle but if you look at it
it's very merciful that as a

1436
01:30:17,008 --> 01:30:20,600
church we are not being asked to
live this right now because if

1437
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:25,700
you look at the divorce rates in
monogamous marriages right now,

1438
01:30:26,300 --> 01:30:30,600
it's really crazy.
How many people can't handle One

1439
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:40,200
more person, and to be asked to
take on two or three or more

1440
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:44,900
people in your family, just
creates a larger Dynamic.

1441
01:30:45,500 --> 01:30:49,700
It's not impossible, especially
with God's help, but it's a

1442
01:30:49,700 --> 01:30:53,300
dynamic of all of these people
having to get along with each

1443
01:30:53,300 --> 01:30:57,400
other.
And it's something that is a

1444
01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:02,100
Zion principle because we To
know how to get along with these

1445
01:31:02,100 --> 01:31:05,300
two before we can get along with
these five and we're not

1446
01:31:05,300 --> 01:31:07,100
achieving it yet.
Right?

1447
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,600
You know, when it when things
and I think I've said this

1448
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:14,900
before on the podcast was, there
was a moment when I was living

1449
01:31:14,900 --> 01:31:19,000
plural marriage, where I
remember I looked out and I saw

1450
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:21,900
it was so stupid.
I was at the grill of all

1451
01:31:21,900 --> 01:31:26,100
places, right?
Which okay, probably for me if

1452
01:31:26,100 --> 01:31:28,900
you look at my waist line, isn't
that uncommon for me to have an

1453
01:31:28,900 --> 01:31:30,100
affair?
The grill.

1454
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:34,600
However, and this one moment and
we would on acreage when we were

1455
01:31:34,608 --> 01:31:37,700
in Idaho.
I remember, I looked out and I

1456
01:31:37,700 --> 01:31:42,100
saw Amber and my other wife out
there and they were laughing and

1457
01:31:42,100 --> 01:31:46,800
giggling, and probably poking
fun at me, and all the kids were

1458
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:50,300
out there playing.
And in that moment, it dawned on

1459
01:31:50,300 --> 01:31:54,500
me, I had played golf in a year
and a half.

1460
01:31:55,500 --> 01:31:59,000
I didn't care because this is
what it was about.

1461
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:02,500
So I Think plural marriage is
for everybody, right?

1462
01:32:02,500 --> 01:32:05,300
Because it's going to put you
outside of your comfort zone.

1463
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,900
You have to become selfless,
right?

1464
01:32:08,900 --> 01:32:12,500
For.
And you have to be geared to a

1465
01:32:12,500 --> 01:32:19,900
point at which your family
becomes the preeminent concern,

1466
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:25,000
your work, and your glory will
be to bring to pass their

1467
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:28,600
immortality and eternal life and
their happiness.

1468
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:33,400
So, There are there is there is
in the in that moment a sense of

1469
01:32:33,700 --> 01:32:37,400
surrendering your own will and
say that's a very small,

1470
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:40,300
minority is ready to surrender
that will because they get

1471
01:32:40,300 --> 01:32:42,400
absolutely.
And that right now you've got

1472
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:52,100
mostly, you know, even in the
church and everywhere people I

1473
01:32:52,100 --> 01:32:55,800
don't know I guess this sentence
really done a good job at

1474
01:32:55,800 --> 01:33:01,800
changing the psychology and the
philosophy of Everybody family

1475
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:05,100
is no longer your life's
ambition for everybody, right?

1476
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:07,600
I'm going to be a lawyer.
I'm going to do this.

1477
01:33:07,700 --> 01:33:09,800
And I'm going to do that when I
grow up, I'm gonna do this.

1478
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:12,600
How about when I grow up?
I'm going to be a dad or a mom,

1479
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:14,200
right?
What happened to that American

1480
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:15,900
dream?
That's the real American Dream.

1481
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:17,500
You can have your family in
peace.

1482
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:21,700
You can afford, you know, to
breathe because there's freedom

1483
01:33:22,100 --> 01:33:26,400
and all this, you know?
And but another thing I want to

1484
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:31,300
say is there's also the flip
side To where we're seeing a lot

1485
01:33:31,300 --> 01:33:34,100
of marriages fall apart, unhappy
people, and all this and you got

1486
01:33:34,100 --> 01:33:36,500
to have a righteous people in
general, people who are

1487
01:33:36,500 --> 01:33:40,400
interested in you know doing
higher like if you have free

1488
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:42,500
time.
Yeah it's healthy to do some

1489
01:33:42,500 --> 01:33:47,800
Recreation but also like I know
with me my favorite maybe I

1490
01:33:47,808 --> 01:33:53,100
shouldn't say this but people in
general if if they can learn to

1491
01:33:53,100 --> 01:33:56,600
enjoy, Some kind of higher cause
involvement you know.

1492
01:33:58,100 --> 01:34:01,800
But so you got to have a halfway
decent people before you're

1493
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:04,600
going to mess with this big
league stuff.

1494
01:34:04,700 --> 01:34:09,700
And the other thing I was going
to say is it's not just harder

1495
01:34:09,700 --> 01:34:12,400
harder harder.
We're going up the ladder of

1496
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:15,200
higher doctrines.
It's getting harder, not at all

1497
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:19,600
the Lord compensates and I'm
maybe I'm I haven't been there

1498
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:22,400
and done everything but the Lord
compensates when it gets harder

1499
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:25,000
with more joy.
As you know, The nest.

1500
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:28,300
And as we know with, with our
challenges that we Face things

1501
01:34:28,300 --> 01:34:30,800
that we've let go of in life to
be able to do something good,

1502
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:33,400
the same thing.
So let's give an example that

1503
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:37,600
might exist in a plural.
Marriage family, my wife is a

1504
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:40,900
she likes to talk.
She likes to talk and she likes

1505
01:34:40,900 --> 01:34:44,700
to be with adult women and she
says man I'm home alone

1506
01:34:44,700 --> 01:34:48,000
sometimes it's rough because and
that's okay to have it rough

1507
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:50,500
sometimes and we look for
solutions to this because we

1508
01:34:50,500 --> 01:34:53,200
want her to be happy but
sometimes it's me and kids all

1509
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:54,300
day.
I don't get to talk.

1510
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:56,900
Two adults.
It's like gosh, I do marriage

1511
01:34:57,100 --> 01:35:01,400
fix that problem and then, you
know, sometimes it's, you know,

1512
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:04,500
so they're harder things that
would probably come.

1513
01:35:04,500 --> 01:35:08,700
But there are also improvements
that would strengthen think

1514
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:14,000
there's definitely upside to it.
Like, I just expressed right?

1515
01:35:14,300 --> 01:35:17,200
Yeah.
But I would say and I would

1516
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:18,800
caution.
That doesn't come without some

1517
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:20,500
sacrifice on, everybody.
Oh yeah.

1518
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:24,300
If you're expecting to do
something Divine without

1519
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:27,000
Expecting sacrifice.
That's bad.

1520
01:35:27,500 --> 01:35:30,600
It's not gonna happen, right?
Well, I want to go back to

1521
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:33,500
something else that you said
that you're a few minutes ago

1522
01:35:33,500 --> 01:35:41,800
there that's struck me.
This idea of I want to be a dad

1523
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:45,700
or I want to be a mom, right?
Where's that aspiration?

1524
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:49,500
That's not there.
I mean no and parents.

1525
01:35:49,500 --> 01:35:54,200
Don't even like, I guess they
forget to present that as a no.

1526
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:55,900
I told my kids just the other
night.

1527
01:35:56,500 --> 01:35:58,900
Look, you guys.
I don't really care what you do

1528
01:35:58,900 --> 01:36:01,600
for vocation and God doesn't
really care what you do for a

1529
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:04,100
vocation do something that you
might enjoy.

1530
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:05,400
Sure.
It's honest.

1531
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:08,300
But your main aspiration needs
to be family life.

1532
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:16,900
Why do you think it is that didn
today of raising your kid to be?

1533
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:22,000
If he's a male a dad or female
to be a mom, why is that?

1534
01:36:22,900 --> 01:36:29,000
Why is that so hard?
It's not dignified in our

1535
01:36:29,300 --> 01:36:34,000
postmodern Society.
We have this idea that we are

1536
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:40,900
going to liberate all by letting
women do all these men jobs and

1537
01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:47,300
it's okay if you are you know,
the CEO in fact that's what you

1538
01:36:47,300 --> 01:36:49,600
should aspire to, is, to be the
CEO.

1539
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:55,200
And what we've done is we've
taken woman from her place and

1540
01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:58,900
tried to fit her.
Into men's place in the name of

1541
01:36:58,900 --> 01:37:05,900
feminism and it doesn't work.
It destroys society when you

1542
01:37:05,900 --> 01:37:09,900
take a mother out of the home.
Now, I understand there are some

1543
01:37:09,900 --> 01:37:13,400
moms that have to work for their
family to stay afloat.

1544
01:37:13,500 --> 01:37:15,200
That's not what I'm talking
about.

1545
01:37:15,500 --> 01:37:22,700
I'm talking about, is when we
aspire to have the woman, be the

1546
01:37:22,700 --> 01:37:26,200
breadwinner all the time and
expect her.

1547
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:30,700
Her to have a more dignified
position than the father.

1548
01:37:30,700 --> 01:37:34,600
That's a problem.
When we expect her to have a job

1549
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:38,900
that forces her to not have a
family because she spends too

1550
01:37:38,900 --> 01:37:42,300
many hours outside of the home
to have kids and to raise

1551
01:37:42,300 --> 01:37:44,500
children.
That's a problem because it's

1552
01:37:44,500 --> 01:37:48,300
breaking down, not just one
family, but Society has a large,

1553
01:37:48,300 --> 01:37:51,300
because we have so many people
that have followed this trend,

1554
01:37:51,300 --> 01:37:55,100
that women need to be this that
we've destroyed.

1555
01:37:56,400 --> 01:38:00,100
Roles of men and women.
If you look at television shows,

1556
01:38:00,900 --> 01:38:07,000
most television shows right now.
Demean men, they do the men are

1557
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:12,400
portrayed as bumbling idiots,
not dads, who are kind and

1558
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:15,100
considerate and know how to help
their children.

1559
01:38:15,500 --> 01:38:20,700
We as a society have destroyed
the roles of both mothers and

1560
01:38:20,700 --> 01:38:28,100
fathers.
I think some of that Q goes back

1561
01:38:28,100 --> 01:38:35,500
to the whole trans issue.
Well, absolutely this idea that

1562
01:38:35,500 --> 01:38:41,200
it can be fluid, right?
I think there's severe damage.

1563
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:47,200
Being done when you start
talking about a woman who

1564
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:50,900
aspires to be a mom and then and
then you downplay that.

1565
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:57,300
All right, or You look at a guy
and you say you know he's got

1566
01:38:57,300 --> 01:39:00,600
toxic masculinity right now.
Obviously if you're a man you're

1567
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:02,100
beating on your wife and kids.
Yeah.

1568
01:39:02,100 --> 01:39:09,000
It's pretty toxic, right?
But this idea of men naturally

1569
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:11,600
usually being a little more
aggressive, right?

1570
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:15,700
I think I think that's normal.
I think that's one of the things

1571
01:39:15,700 --> 01:39:21,300
that were hurting our kids with
now Is that, you know, look,

1572
01:39:21,300 --> 01:39:25,300
when I grew up most of the guys
that I hung out with, we got new

1573
01:39:25,300 --> 01:39:29,200
a fistfight first, right?
I mean, it was, you know, knock

1574
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:31,200
knock a dude out.
And hey, let's go grab some

1575
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:33,200
lunch.
Now, we good, right?

1576
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:37,400
And, and as we've subverted that
a little bit, I think, I think

1577
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:43,200
that those, those Tendencies are
starting to manifest themselves

1578
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:46,800
in more and more violent ways
because we've tried to suppress

1579
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:48,900
them rather than give them
healthy.

1580
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:54,100
I was right, take Kid Karate,
take let the boy play football,

1581
01:39:54,100 --> 01:39:58,300
whatever it is, right?
And so in subjective and trying

1582
01:39:58,300 --> 01:40:03,200
to subdue that natural
aggressiveness a little bit, I

1583
01:40:03,200 --> 01:40:07,300
think we've damaged our kids and
I think we've done it with our

1584
01:40:07,300 --> 01:40:11,700
girls as well, right?
We've said something about yeah,

1585
01:40:11,700 --> 01:40:14,000
it's fine.
If you want to be a mom but you

1586
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:19,400
should really get your career.
Establish first and I think that

1587
01:40:19,500 --> 01:40:24,600
it's hugely important that we
recognize that we have as men

1588
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:33,800
and women these natural inherent
tendencies, And those can't be

1589
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:36,600
subverted, right?
You guys got ten kids.

1590
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:41,100
I had six.
And now I have grandkids, I

1591
01:40:41,100 --> 01:40:44,700
promise you you could drop kids
on an island and for a while,

1592
01:40:44,700 --> 01:40:47,900
the girls would segregate with
the girls and they would figure

1593
01:40:47,900 --> 01:40:52,600
out a way to make the island
more habitable and easier and

1594
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:56,000
dudes with hit each other with
sticks and doesn't, yeah, that's

1595
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:59,600
just the way it is right or hon
and in.

1596
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:03,500
So doing that we haven't allowed
ourselves to fill the measure of

1597
01:41:03,500 --> 01:41:06,900
our creation and it's Gordon
Peterson talks about how these

1598
01:41:07,500 --> 01:41:11,000
the more economic freedom
Society has the more people

1599
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:13,600
self-segregate.
Like women don't want to be aged

1600
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:16,600
Engineers as much for the ones
that do more power to them,

1601
01:41:16,900 --> 01:41:19,000
right?
And men don't want to be nurses

1602
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:22,200
as much and for the ones that do
more power to them, but we're

1603
01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:24,800
trying to force people.
There's that agenda to force

1604
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:26,900
people to be different and
you're not cool.

1605
01:41:26,900 --> 01:41:30,800
If you're not, if you're
traditional gender, your, you

1606
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:35,600
know, your must be very sistered
as sexist or evil in some way.

1607
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:41,200
Absolutely, I think God created.
Created everything to have

1608
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:45,500
balance, he created men and
women to have traditional roles.

1609
01:41:46,100 --> 01:41:55,800
And when we take those roles and
make them Supposedly better and

1610
01:41:55,800 --> 01:42:01,400
reverse them and change them.
Suddenly we get rid of a balance

1611
01:42:01,400 --> 01:42:04,600
that has to exist for society to
survive.

1612
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:08,600
You know, you can't just have
all males hunting all the time.

1613
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:12,800
It doesn't work.
You can't just have all females

1614
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:15,800
trying to make things more.
Habitable without food, right?

1615
01:42:15,900 --> 01:42:20,300
You have to have the male and
the female working together in

1616
01:42:20,300 --> 01:42:25,100
society and so when you try to
make one of them into the other

1617
01:42:25,100 --> 01:42:30,400
vice versa, It creates a giant
problem.

1618
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:34,200
I mean I know just in our family
I discipline different than my

1619
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:36,500
husband.
Sure we discussed discipline

1620
01:42:36,500 --> 01:42:40,000
measures you know and try to be
on the same page as far as

1621
01:42:40,200 --> 01:42:42,200
things that we feel like our
children need.

1622
01:42:42,300 --> 01:42:44,900
But I am I going to talk to my
child differently than my

1623
01:42:44,900 --> 01:42:47,800
husband's going to talk to my
child if the same thing happens

1624
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:49,900
when I'm home alone, Force, when
he's home alone.

1625
01:42:50,200 --> 01:42:54,400
Yes, and that's 100% okay
because they need that balance

1626
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:59,500
of the Gentle hug and the stern
rebuke, right?

1627
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:03,700
They need both of those in their
lives, to be able to understand

1628
01:43:03,700 --> 01:43:10,200
and comprehend their own life.
I was going to say that this is

1629
01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:14,700
the great day of true women's
Liberation in a lot of ways.

1630
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:18,700
I think the biggest way it's not
is that women can't choose what

1631
01:43:18,700 --> 01:43:21,000
husband they want if he's
already married, right?

1632
01:43:21,100 --> 01:43:26,000
That's a that's the that's the
extreme irony that that's really

1633
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:28,600
anti.
Feminism that made that illegal,

1634
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:33,700
but so you've got, you know, the
woman is of, she's chained down

1635
01:43:33,700 --> 01:43:36,500
by this time, she has to spend
in her home, raising her kids,

1636
01:43:36,500 --> 01:43:37,800
right?
Well, guess what?

1637
01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:40,800
The man is also changed down.
By this Matt time, he has to

1638
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:44,600
spend putting the bread on the
table, you know, sometimes both

1639
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:49,500
of those are our hard and not
what we want to do immediately,

1640
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:54,800
but this is a awesome time to be
alive because we've got its, I

1641
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:57,400
can order a book.
Have it shipped to my house for

1642
01:43:57,407 --> 01:44:01,700
like, under five dollars in
under a week you can get, you

1643
01:44:01,700 --> 01:44:05,800
know, you've got books, you've
got audio books, you've got the

1644
01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:11,000
internet, you've got not to
mention in America, great

1645
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:13,500
wealth.
That give us more free time than

1646
01:44:13,500 --> 01:44:17,500
any time the history.
So the thing is is you can't,

1647
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:23,100
you know, it's really backwards
to do all the career first and

1648
01:44:23,100 --> 01:44:27,200
family later stuff.
And there's a really I one of my

1649
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:32,300
favorite messages that I heard
recently was Elder Neil Anderson

1650
01:44:32,300 --> 01:44:36,000
gave that top called children
and he gave those examples where

1651
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:41,600
it's like, you need to, you
know, like it gives me a story

1652
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:44,000
about this guy who is wanted to
go to med school and so they're

1653
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:47,600
putting off having a family and
I remember who's Spencer

1654
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:50,100
Campbell or what, Spencer can
buy a lot of good things to say

1655
01:44:50,100 --> 01:44:56,600
about family relationships and
he says, He's counseling with

1656
01:44:56,600 --> 01:44:59,200
this guy is like, how am I going
to have a family?

1657
01:44:59,200 --> 01:45:01,200
I need to go to med school, then
we'll do that stuff.

1658
01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:05,800
And this, this leader says, why
would you?

1659
01:45:06,500 --> 01:45:09,300
Why would you break God's
commandment in order to be a

1660
01:45:09,300 --> 01:45:11,700
doctor?
You can have both.

1661
01:45:11,700 --> 01:45:15,400
If you're faithful, you can go
to med school and have a family

1662
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:19,800
and that's when I heard that
over the pulpit was like I

1663
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:24,900
haven't heard anything that bold
in a long time because it's just

1664
01:45:24,900 --> 01:45:30,700
so It unpopular these days, but
really, like a lot of times we

1665
01:45:30,700 --> 01:45:34,700
see families, what you do like
when you retire.

1666
01:45:35,200 --> 01:45:36,500
Once we've got everything
figured out.

1667
01:45:36,500 --> 01:45:39,000
Once, I've got this Nest Egg,
once I've got all this, then we

1668
01:45:39,008 --> 01:45:41,200
have a family.
It's so backwards.

1669
01:45:41,500 --> 01:45:42,900
Family is.
We're supposed to go on the

1670
01:45:42,907 --> 01:45:46,800
adventure with families who
you're supposed to scrap with

1671
01:45:47,300 --> 01:45:53,900
your you know you do it together
and you know that's and you all

1672
01:45:53,900 --> 01:45:55,200
learned lessons together, you
know?

1673
01:45:55,300 --> 01:46:03,700
No, we we took on this fostering
thing and I was just finishing

1674
01:46:03,700 --> 01:46:05,300
school.
Nate was still in school.

1675
01:46:05,300 --> 01:46:09,300
He's still in school because he
just loves to keep learning, but

1676
01:46:12,900 --> 01:46:16,000
it was one of these things that
everybody was like, well, why

1677
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:18,300
are you doing it now?
And why do you have to have kids

1678
01:46:18,300 --> 01:46:23,100
now?
And it's like, whoa, why would

1679
01:46:23,100 --> 01:46:30,700
we not want It's right now.
Like of course I'll quit my job

1680
01:46:30,700 --> 01:46:34,900
as soon as we get kids and they
will keep working in fact for a

1681
01:46:34,907 --> 01:46:36,400
while.
He was going to school and

1682
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:43,000
working two jobs so that we
could have kids and we did it

1683
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:47,300
because we felt like that's what
we'd been asked to do and it was

1684
01:46:47,300 --> 01:46:53,500
amazing.
How many friends and family were

1685
01:46:53,500 --> 01:46:57,300
like, but why?
Why you guys don't have?

1686
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:02,300
Like a good Nest Egg built up.
You guys don't have a decent

1687
01:47:02,300 --> 01:47:06,200
amount in your savings account
yet and we were kind of like,

1688
01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:11,500
but we feel like we've been told
that we need to do foster care

1689
01:47:11,500 --> 01:47:13,300
in.
There's kids that need our help

1690
01:47:13,300 --> 01:47:16,300
and if we're following the Lord,
like will be.

1691
01:47:16,300 --> 01:47:19,700
All right?
And financially, were a lot

1692
01:47:19,700 --> 01:47:22,900
further ahead than we were when
we started, and I feel like a

1693
01:47:22,907 --> 01:47:27,700
lot of that is because we follow
the promptings of the Lord to

1694
01:47:27,800 --> 01:47:31,000
Have a family when maybe
according to the world's

1695
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:33,600
standards, we didn't have all
the money in the world.

1696
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:37,200
But what's come of that is my
kids actually have a lot more

1697
01:47:37,200 --> 01:47:40,500
money since then, a lot of kids
their age, right?

1698
01:47:40,500 --> 01:47:46,200
Like we took them to the
carnival a few weeks ago and we

1699
01:47:46,200 --> 01:47:49,400
were discussing, you know, how
much tickets cost and things

1700
01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:52,500
like that.
And my oldest daughter was very

1701
01:47:52,500 --> 01:47:55,700
much like, well, I don't want to
waste our money.

1702
01:47:55,700 --> 01:48:01,500
So if I do this, We can do this.
And if we go on the day where

1703
01:48:01,500 --> 01:48:03,800
all the rides are one ticket
instead of three or four

1704
01:48:03,800 --> 01:48:07,800
tickets, then, you know, we'll
be able to use our money for

1705
01:48:07,800 --> 01:48:11,100
other things later.
I don't think all children have

1706
01:48:11,100 --> 01:48:16,100
the same comprehension of
scrimping, and saving, and

1707
01:48:16,100 --> 01:48:19,800
reusing and recycling.
Not that we absolutely have to

1708
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:23,100
at this point, but it's
something that our children have

1709
01:48:23,300 --> 01:48:27,600
learned to be Thrifty in ways
that not every child does.

1710
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:29,500
Does and I think it's a good
thing.

1711
01:48:30,200 --> 01:48:32,300
And the same goes for marriage,
you know?

1712
01:48:32,300 --> 01:48:35,800
I think I didn't have any money
when I got married.

1713
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:39,800
I'm pretty sure.
But, and it's, it's like great

1714
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:45,200
if that's a, you know, it's wise
to like grow up save money, like

1715
01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:49,300
maybe for your that adult, or
marriage age, or whatever.

1716
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:55,300
I for X y&z reasons.
I wasn't in that position but we

1717
01:48:55,300 --> 01:48:57,100
had to move forward with faith
and get married.

1718
01:48:57,700 --> 01:49:04,600
And that's, it's a very
unpopular thing, you know, and

1719
01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:07,900
the other thing I wanted to say
is we've talked a lot about

1720
01:49:07,900 --> 01:49:10,800
being foster parents.
This all equally applies to just

1721
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:13,600
being a normal parent.
We're just a little bit biased

1722
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:16,700
because that's been our life
experience and there's a lot of

1723
01:49:16,700 --> 01:49:19,800
great work you can do like hey
these are basically refugees

1724
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:23,000
that needed somewhere to go and
that's great but there's

1725
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:25,300
drawbacks to it as well and
there's some of these kids that

1726
01:49:25,300 --> 01:49:29,200
there's some there's some Foster
Kids that wouldn't work well in

1727
01:49:29,200 --> 01:49:32,700
our house because like we don't
do well with with drugs.

1728
01:49:32,700 --> 01:49:37,300
We don't do well with XYZ that
we won't hash it all out here

1729
01:49:37,300 --> 01:49:41,500
but anyway and there's different
constraints on what you can and

1730
01:49:41,508 --> 01:49:44,600
can't do as a parent when you're
when you're working with the

1731
01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:51,000
government and your parenting.
But I just want to say, it's not

1732
01:49:51,300 --> 01:49:53,400
for everybody and we're not here
like telling everyone to go be a

1733
01:49:53,400 --> 01:49:56,200
foster parent.
We're just saying in our world

1734
01:49:56,200 --> 01:49:57,600
is like we actually dealt with
infertility.

1735
01:49:57,800 --> 01:50:01,400
Long time, which is what got us
into it in the first place.

1736
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:06,600
And we've been blessed lately to
have some, some bio kids as

1737
01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:09,400
well, due to some medical
advances.

1738
01:50:09,900 --> 01:50:14,600
But I just wanted to say we're
not, we're not sitting here

1739
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:16,800
saying that, that's what
everybody needs to go.

1740
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:22,800
Do like, ideally, the the way to
do it is to have your own family

1741
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:27,600
and we were talking about, you
know, because you can't solve

1742
01:50:27,700 --> 01:50:31,700
Everybody's problems, we're
talking about how to get back to

1743
01:50:31,700 --> 01:50:35,100
the idea of large families.
We talked about having that

1744
01:50:35,400 --> 01:50:40,100
child as a priority and we
talked about plural, marriage.

1745
01:50:40,400 --> 01:50:43,200
But this other thing is don't
wait till you're in.

1746
01:50:43,200 --> 01:50:47,800
You're almost almost Baron age
to start having a family, you

1747
01:50:47,808 --> 01:50:54,100
know, we got to re-think life to
where we're you gotta, you know,

1748
01:50:54,900 --> 01:51:00,700
so we're that's you got it.
The you know, if family are like

1749
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:03,300
what you're going to do later
after you've accomplished your

1750
01:51:03,300 --> 01:51:06,400
goals, you're probably not.
Can have a very big family now.

1751
01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:09,500
I also want to say this is
really sensitive topic because I

1752
01:51:09,500 --> 01:51:13,300
feel like maybe most your
listeners or some of them at

1753
01:51:13,300 --> 01:51:15,300
least are going to say these
guys are jerks.

1754
01:51:15,300 --> 01:51:17,800
Like I don't have a big family
and I'm still a good person and

1755
01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:19,100
like I'm doing my life's
calling.

1756
01:51:19,500 --> 01:51:22,100
We understand that we're just
plugging for big families

1757
01:51:22,100 --> 01:51:27,600
because we feel like if if it's
within your realm of possibility

1758
01:51:27,700 --> 01:51:30,300
Tea and you're interested in
doing something for God.

1759
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:33,300
That's our number one.
Recommendation is go have a

1760
01:51:33,308 --> 01:51:35,500
family.
Look, we are there listening to

1761
01:51:35,500 --> 01:51:40,900
a Mormon fundamentalist.
Yeah, that's that's why the idea

1762
01:51:40,900 --> 01:51:42,600
of a big family.
That's true.

1763
01:51:42,700 --> 01:51:45,500
Probably in the wrong spot.
Well, it's a breath of fresh air

1764
01:51:45,500 --> 01:51:49,600
to get to be a little different
crowd where maybe some of your

1765
01:51:49,600 --> 01:51:53,300
audience does have, you know,
twice as many kids as we do how

1766
01:51:53,300 --> 01:51:57,100
cool that is, you know, like how
much we envy that and how

1767
01:51:57,100 --> 01:51:59,200
different it is. from what we're
used to, because we're like, I

1768
01:51:59,208 --> 01:52:03,600
said, we're used to basically
like Being really careful to not

1769
01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:07,800
you know scare people and like
it's on the other hand.

1770
01:52:07,800 --> 01:52:12,900
I scare people all the time.
People tell me, I don't know how

1771
01:52:12,900 --> 01:52:15,800
you can do it being a foster
parent like well through the

1772
01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:18,200
grace of God, and then there's
other people that are like, I

1773
01:52:18,200 --> 01:52:22,300
would love to be a foster parent
and I tell them, yeah, well, let

1774
01:52:22,300 --> 01:52:24,200
me tell you what you're getting
yourself into.

1775
01:52:26,100 --> 01:52:29,800
Would you really enjoy this?
She says, foster parent.

1776
01:52:29,800 --> 01:52:33,100
She also means just a parent in
Someone who's interested in

1777
01:52:33,100 --> 01:52:37,300
bringing children into your
home, you know at any phase of

1778
01:52:37,300 --> 01:52:40,400
your life are you interested in
keeping the doors open

1779
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:45,300
biologically and whatever other
means you have to having a

1780
01:52:45,300 --> 01:52:48,800
child-centered home you know
well yes and no.

1781
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:59,300
Obviously we believe that having
a family through any means is

1782
01:53:00,700 --> 01:53:03,700
Ordained of God, okay, not any
means.

1783
01:53:03,700 --> 01:53:10,300
But whether it's adoption or
biological or whatever if you

1784
01:53:10,300 --> 01:53:17,900
are following those laws to have
a family that's great.

1785
01:53:17,900 --> 01:53:22,800
There are definitely some
difficulties inherent in being a

1786
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:26,900
foster parent and as you said
holding hands of the government

1787
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:29,900
while you parent that are a
little different than they would

1788
01:53:29,900 --> 01:53:32,700
be.
Or a biological child and you

1789
01:53:32,708 --> 01:53:34,900
have to be prepared for that.
Sure.

1790
01:53:34,900 --> 01:53:37,500
Yeah, because they're going to
be in your home, all right?

1791
01:53:37,500 --> 01:53:42,500
I've been through it and then oh
yeah, that irritated me and I

1792
01:53:42,500 --> 01:53:45,700
was like, I thought we were done
with the Quartering Act back in

1793
01:53:45,700 --> 01:53:49,100
Revelation period, right?
So no, I get that.

1794
01:53:49,900 --> 01:53:52,100
Well guys, we've done almost two
hours now.

1795
01:53:52,900 --> 01:53:56,100
So I feel like we've reached a
good spot here.

1796
01:53:57,500 --> 01:53:59,200
I'd love to have you back on
that.

1797
01:53:59,200 --> 01:54:00,300
Something you guys would be
interested.

1798
01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:03,000
In.
Yeah, it's not every day.

1799
01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:09,300
You get to sit around and Chat
about your world views from me

1800
01:54:09,900 --> 01:54:11,000
there.
Anything you want to go over

1801
01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:15,300
now.
We didn't get to I guess since

1802
01:54:15,700 --> 01:54:20,700
one more, well, maybe I'll milk
this but since I'm a, i

1803
01:54:20,700 --> 01:54:25,900
primarily teach science and
something that I've been blessed

1804
01:54:25,900 --> 01:54:28,600
to find as like creation
science, right?

1805
01:54:28,600 --> 01:54:31,400
And how that's actually really
valid science, it's just

1806
01:54:31,400 --> 01:54:36,200
unpopular and Satan's out to get
it and not every creation

1807
01:54:36,200 --> 01:54:41,000
science idea is is true, but
you're going to anyway.

1808
01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:46,300
That's one of the big reasons
that Like ditching school and

1809
01:54:46,300 --> 01:54:49,500
doing something on your own in
your house or private school.

1810
01:54:49,800 --> 01:54:53,100
Maybe a Christian School that
but it's hard to find anywhere

1811
01:54:53,100 --> 01:54:55,500
is evolution is completely
false.

1812
01:54:56,100 --> 01:55:00,900
I have a strong conviction that
it is completely false things

1813
01:55:00,900 --> 01:55:03,100
can adapt.
You know, there's birds beaks

1814
01:55:03,100 --> 01:55:05,000
going to get longer on this
certain Island, okay?

1815
01:55:05,100 --> 01:55:08,600
Because it's going to, you know,
obviously some of that, but

1816
01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:13,100
species to species and it's it's
a really big thing that you I

1817
01:55:13,108 --> 01:55:16,300
hear about a lot of people who
lose their faith in God, they

1818
01:55:16,300 --> 01:55:21,800
lose, you know.
They're, you know, Adam and Eve

1819
01:55:21,800 --> 01:55:27,400
go out the window.
You know, the, you know, it's

1820
01:55:27,400 --> 01:55:31,400
basically a way to again turn
things over to the state because

1821
01:55:32,200 --> 01:55:36,600
the parents are incapable and
the and it's, you know, there's

1822
01:55:36,600 --> 01:55:39,400
this great think, it's probably
more damaging than that, right?

1823
01:55:39,400 --> 01:55:45,200
It's damaging whoo-wee.
Perceive ourselves to be right

1824
01:55:45,200 --> 01:55:52,000
if if if if the gospel truth and
we are Divine sons of daughters

1825
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:56,400
of a Divine, heavenly father
that comes with some

1826
01:55:56,400 --> 01:55:59,900
responsibilities, right?
And also comes with this idea of

1827
01:55:59,900 --> 01:56:04,400
a Divine potential, if we are
nothing more than the

1828
01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:07,900
happenstance of a certain slime
with a certain bacteria, they

1829
01:56:07,900 --> 01:56:11,000
got struck by a certain
lightning bolt on a certain day

1830
01:56:11,400 --> 01:56:13,900
at a certain point.
Pond, and we became animals and

1831
01:56:13,900 --> 01:56:17,400
we're nothing more than evolved
animals.

1832
01:56:18,700 --> 01:56:21,400
Well, we can relinquish some of
that responsibility.

1833
01:56:21,400 --> 01:56:24,200
These are my animal instincts,
right?

1834
01:56:24,200 --> 01:56:28,800
This is it's not enough to just
say God uses Evolution because

1835
01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:31,200
that's what they'll all say, it
BYU, that's what they all say

1836
01:56:31,200 --> 01:56:33,200
everywhere.
If you have someone who has

1837
01:56:33,300 --> 01:56:36,800
Christian inklings that just say
God used Evolution.

1838
01:56:36,800 --> 01:56:41,100
But that's it's laughable
because Evolution was designed

1839
01:56:41,500 --> 01:56:45,400
as as a way to get God out of
the picture, the whole point.

1840
01:56:45,500 --> 01:56:46,300
Yeah.
Absolutely.

1841
01:56:46,300 --> 01:56:50,200
The whole point and it's so
entrenched in our society that

1842
01:56:50,200 --> 01:56:53,000
no one thinks don't thinks twice
about it.

1843
01:56:53,200 --> 01:56:55,700
It's like the whole concept of
schooling your own kids.

1844
01:56:56,200 --> 01:56:57,900
It's just not in people's
vocabulary.

1845
01:56:58,200 --> 01:57:02,200
There's all these truths that
are so far removed from our

1846
01:57:02,200 --> 01:57:05,400
society that it doesn't cross
anybody's mind.

1847
01:57:05,400 --> 01:57:08,500
It doesn't cross some of the
best people's minds.

1848
01:57:08,700 --> 01:57:11,900
It's it's like when in the Book
of Mormon, when he says, if you

1849
01:57:11,900 --> 01:57:15,000
find fault with me, I'm sorry,
I'm doing my best.

1850
01:57:15,400 --> 01:57:17,400
Let's I feel like there's so
many good people.

1851
01:57:18,600 --> 01:57:22,900
Today that they just don't know
where to go for more truth and

1852
01:57:22,900 --> 01:57:26,300
more Effectiveness, right?
We can heal our homes.

1853
01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:29,900
We can have kids who are
successful.

1854
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:33,700
Yeah, there's going to be kids
who just want to be crazy, no

1855
01:57:33,700 --> 01:57:37,800
matter what you do, but by and
large like we have some

1856
01:57:37,800 --> 01:57:41,000
solutions and we didn't get to
get into a lot.

1857
01:57:41,200 --> 01:57:45,000
There's we could go down.
There's there's, you know, these

1858
01:57:45,000 --> 01:57:49,700
best-kept secrets of all these
different Social aspects that we

1859
01:57:49,700 --> 01:57:55,700
could be doing.
And and all this, that we're,

1860
01:57:55,700 --> 01:57:58,800
we're really pleased to be able
to, you know, I do.

1861
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:02,700
I do a little blog, it's
Richardson studdys.com.

1862
01:58:02,700 --> 01:58:08,400
I've put a lot of this, a lot of
these different topics and I

1863
01:58:08,400 --> 01:58:11,800
write about them there.
She'll, you know, we do whatever

1864
01:58:11,800 --> 01:58:15,700
we can to get the word out and
like, like, we've been saying

1865
01:58:15,700 --> 01:58:19,000
this our theme throughout this
whole Is our family, is our main

1866
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:22,100
effort.
No, we're not expected to save

1867
01:58:22,100 --> 01:58:26,300
the world.
We're just we focus on your

1868
01:58:26,300 --> 01:58:33,200
family but it's really.
There are like people go around.

1869
01:58:33,200 --> 01:58:35,800
And they, it's really hopeless
because it's like I don't know

1870
01:58:35,800 --> 01:58:38,700
what to do differently.
I've got my family's falling

1871
01:58:38,700 --> 01:58:40,000
apart.
I just don't know what to do,

1872
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:41,700
differently.
I've tried everything.

1873
01:58:42,000 --> 01:58:44,100
I've tried all the
antidepressants.

1874
01:58:44,100 --> 01:58:46,700
I've tried all the extra summer
school.

1875
01:58:46,900 --> 01:58:50,300
I've tried all the Therapists.
I've tried you know, taking my

1876
01:58:50,308 --> 01:58:53,300
kid to the young men's
activities or all these

1877
01:58:53,300 --> 01:58:57,900
different things and you got to
dig a little a little deeper,

1878
01:58:57,900 --> 01:59:01,800
but it's like in the scripture,
you know, the New Testament

1879
01:59:01,800 --> 01:59:05,100
where he has to have the
scripture explaining like how am

1880
01:59:05,108 --> 01:59:08,100
I going to know this?
If nobody's here to teach me and

1881
01:59:08,100 --> 01:59:12,600
so when you find a little nugget
you know if something that's

1882
01:59:12,600 --> 01:59:16,500
good and something that works,
then you run with it and and you

1883
01:59:16,500 --> 01:59:17,800
just collect them as much as
you.

1884
01:59:17,800 --> 01:59:22,500
Can.
So anyway, I think I think in

1885
01:59:22,508 --> 01:59:29,500
the end One other scriptures
that I try to live by is the

1886
01:59:29,500 --> 01:59:33,700
Stripling Warriors said that
they didn't doubt because their

1887
01:59:33,700 --> 01:59:40,200
mothers knew it and they'd been
taught in their home enough that

1888
01:59:40,200 --> 01:59:46,300
they risked their lives, over
their belief.

1889
01:59:47,500 --> 01:59:51,600
In God, that he would come
through for them in whatever

1890
01:59:51,600 --> 01:59:54,400
manner that meant.
They didn't know whether they'd

1891
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:59,000
be spared or not, but they had a
belief that had been instilled

1892
01:59:59,000 --> 02:00:02,900
in them in the home and that's
what I try to do with.

1893
02:00:02,900 --> 02:00:07,500
My kids is instill in them.
The belief that, as you said,

1894
02:00:07,500 --> 02:00:11,500
they have a Divine Purpose and a
Divine identity and God loves

1895
02:00:11,500 --> 02:00:13,800
them and cares about them.
And even when they can't connect

1896
02:00:13,800 --> 02:00:17,600
with me and I can't connect with
siblings that there is Somebody

1897
02:00:17,600 --> 02:00:20,700
there to listen to them that
cares about what they're doing

1898
02:00:21,400 --> 02:00:25,500
and who's intimately interested
in the details of their lives.

1899
02:00:26,200 --> 02:00:32,300
And if they can understand that
whether or not they understand,

1900
02:00:33,400 --> 02:00:37,000
Calculus whether or not they
understand astronomy.

1901
02:00:38,500 --> 02:00:44,200
It's not nearly as important.
There's all of these founding

1902
02:00:44,200 --> 02:00:47,800
fathers and really important
people that if you go back and

1903
02:00:47,800 --> 02:00:53,000
look, I mean Joseph Smith didn't
have a ton of Education you know

1904
02:00:53,200 --> 02:00:57,800
a lot of the people in our
history, legitimately didn't

1905
02:00:57,800 --> 02:01:00,400
have the education.
We are mandating our children to

1906
02:01:00,400 --> 02:01:05,800
have right now, so it's not 100%
necessary that they pass every

1907
02:01:05,800 --> 02:01:10,500
single subject to as high.
As the school's want them

1908
02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:15,300
frankly.
In my mind, what is necessary is

1909
02:01:15,300 --> 02:01:22,400
that we teach them to be good?
People that depend upon the Lord

1910
02:01:23,000 --> 02:01:31,500
for everything and work as if it
depends on them but pray and

1911
02:01:31,500 --> 02:01:33,800
follow the guidance of the
spirit as if it all depends on

1912
02:01:33,800 --> 02:01:37,100
him.
And if we do that, They're going

1913
02:01:37,100 --> 02:01:41,600
to end up.
In a much better place than if

1914
02:01:41,600 --> 02:01:46,200
we spend all of our time.
Making sure that every standard

1915
02:01:47,200 --> 02:01:51,200
of every school year is checked
off in the order that the public

1916
02:01:51,200 --> 02:01:55,200
school wants them to check it
off and that they're doing every

1917
02:01:55,200 --> 02:01:59,000
extracurricular that every kid
their age does, that's not

1918
02:01:59,000 --> 02:02:07,600
nearly as important. 100% the
family is is what's most

1919
02:02:07,600 --> 02:02:10,900
important we've we've advocated
some different tricks that help

1920
02:02:10,900 --> 02:02:14,500
us like maybe homeschooling or
different experiences we've had

1921
02:02:14,800 --> 02:02:20,200
but really the thing that we
encourage people to do most is

1922
02:02:20,200 --> 02:02:26,500
is to have a family and how you
do that is not it's going to all

1923
02:02:26,500 --> 02:02:28,700
work out in the Lord's.
Going to impress you what to do

1924
02:02:30,200 --> 02:02:38,100
but yeah. and it's It's fun,
listening to your podcasts and

1925
02:02:38,600 --> 02:02:43,100
to getting to meet different
people, that have so many cool

1926
02:02:43,100 --> 02:02:47,700
things to talk about, and it's
just lots of fun going off on a

1927
02:02:47,700 --> 02:02:49,300
bunch of topics.
So, we appreciate the

1928
02:02:49,300 --> 02:02:50,500
opportunity.
Well, thank you.

1929
02:02:50,500 --> 02:02:53,700
I enjoy having everybody here.
That's been here so far.

1930
02:02:54,100 --> 02:02:56,600
And I've always said, I started
this for me because there's a

1931
02:02:56,608 --> 02:03:00,500
lot of cool people out there
yourselves included, that that I

1932
02:03:00,500 --> 02:03:02,700
can definitely learn from
including some from.

1933
02:03:02,700 --> 02:03:05,000
So, thank you for being here.
I'm serious.

1934
02:03:05,100 --> 02:03:09,100
Do this again.
Well to all right, Perfect.

1935
02:03:09,300 --> 02:03:11,000
All right, everyone, I'll talk
to you next time.