Episode #32: Solutions for Preserving Liberty & Fulfilling Our Mandate as Mormons W/Enoch More Founder of Defending Utah

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So just the other day, I was
sitting down with a good friend

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and we were kind of talking
about the podcast and he said,

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Dave, I love what you're doing
with the podcast but you have a

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few episodes that seemed out of
place for a podcast about

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Mormonism.
And so intrigued, I asked them,

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which ones are you talking
about?

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He said the ones you've done on
Liberty and freedom and

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politics.
Now in response I read the

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following quote to him from
Brigham Young.

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And this comes at a journal of
discourses volume 12 page, 204

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there.
Brigham says every organization

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of Government.
The best government in the world

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is crumbling to Pieces.
Those who have it in their hands

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are the ones who are destroying
it.

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How long will it be?
Before the words of the Prophet?

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Joseph Smith will be fulfilled.
He said, if the Constitution of

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the United States were saved, it
must be done by this people,

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meaning the Mormons Brigham then
goes on and says it will not be

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many years.
Before these words come to pass,

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see Joseph Smith Brigham, Young
and many other early church

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leaders understood that the
gospel.

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Could only thrive in an
environment of Liberty.

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So that's why I have these
episodes on the podcast about

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Liberty and Freedom.
The two are intertwined and

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can't be separated.
Furthermore, going back to that,

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quote by Brigham Young.
That one part where he said, if

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the Constitution of the United
States were saved at all.

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It must be done by this people.
This is part of our divine

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mandate as Mormons to hold up
the Constitution of the United

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States.
And to save it on this episode,

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I sit down and have a
conversation.

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With Enoch more Enoch is the
founder of Defending Utah.

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We have a fascinating
conversation where we not only

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talk about the issues facing
Utah on the nation, but more

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importantly the solutions for
ensuring our continued Liberty

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and in turn the ability to
continue to practice our

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religion.
And that's next on this episode

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So today on the podcast, I'm
super excited.

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I have on Enoch more.
And for those of you who follow

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Liberty and Utah whatsoever,
you're going to recognize that

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name.
He is the founder of Defending

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Utah and one of the reasons I
had him on is because I feel

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like more than anybody else,
perhaps, he offers solutions to

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what's really going on.
My life has been a weird set of

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inflection points.
One is, is when I joined the LDS

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church and became Mormon, right?
That was a big one, the other

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one came because of all things a
football game, I'm a huge Green

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Bay Packers Fan right.
My buddy, Mike he's a huge

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Philadelphia Eagles fan.
They just played this phenomenal

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playoff game and so we got to
talk and I wonder if they're

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playing next season and sure
enough we find out they are

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they're playing on a Monday
night.

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So we take this trip out to
Philadelphia.

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This is about 2004.
To watch Green Bay and Philly

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play.
But why were there?

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We thought, you know, let's take
in the sights.

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It's go see Independence Hall.
Let's go look at the Liberty

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Bell, blah, blah, blah, And
while I've always been an avid

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history buff, I wasn't
necessarily focused on the the

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revolutionary period.
But I remember when I walked

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into Independence Hall and I get
Goose Bumps talking about it.

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Now, the spirit was there and it
said, something important

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happened right here and that got
me reading.

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And as I started to read, and
again, this is 2004.

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So we're three years removed
from 9/11.

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Right?
And for anyone who's younger

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than that used to be able to
walk into an airport, like an

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hour and just go through a quick
security screen.

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You're on the plane down, naked
body scanners, just no naked

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bodies.
Yanar.

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See how so no CSA?
Exactly.

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So, as I started looking, I
realize how far off course we

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were and that inspired me to
read as much as I can.

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So talking to someone like
yourself, I'm gonna super geeked

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out over this because I really
am a fiend.

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Or the founders idea.
So I can't tell you how much I

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appreciate you being here.
Why I'm excited that you're

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invited me.
Thank you.

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So real quick.
How did how did this all come

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about, right?
Because like I pointed out

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there's usually inflection
points in people's lives.

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What was yours to get you to
being the, the founder of

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Defending Utah?
So, you know, I'll going back a

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long time.
You know, I I always understood.

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The sacred nature of the
Constitution with the LDS

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background that I have.
And as our Taft Benson was

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always echoing in my mind, you
know, you will be the generation

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that will meet your God.
And then sending you know, the

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greatest speaker for Liberty,
you know that we've had in

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modern times arguably, Ron
Paul's pretty amazing too.

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I agree.
So I guess we won't make it a

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contest of who's the greatest.
That's not my point.

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My point is, he was amazing.
And so that, that always was in

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the back of my mind, I have, you
know, Constitution matters.

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And there's this thing called
get an robbers.

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That Right.
And that just kind of germinated

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slowly as I grew up and as I
just live my life to to a

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certain point and I hit a point
in Maybe around 2008's and where

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I watched a film Aaron Russo
freedom to Fascism.

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Okay.
That was when I first wake up

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film and it was like, Having the
whole idea of getting robbers

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and seek.
Accommodations in my head I

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always thought.
What if you could like study the

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world and figure out who they
were?

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But it was always this elusive,
almost like romantic movie idea

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of of what they were and then
all of a sudden I see this film

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and I'm like That plus I learned
about Saul Alinsky dedicating

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his book because it's so you're
yeah.

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And then I'm thinking, wait a
minute Rules for Radicals, this

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thing is real for Radicals.
That's right.

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I'm thinking this is like right
in front of my face a little bit

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and and so I watched a number of
other videos new world order to

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find was a next one.
And it was all within like a few

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days.
I watched all these videos and

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I'm just like Nah, I'm just, I'm
getting too excited here.

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Like, you know, these big
conspiracies, I'm looking Beyond

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The Mark, you know, I need to
just like, take a break from all

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this for a few days.
And I had to like headed,

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germinate, how to think about
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But, but then, as I thought
about it, seriously and I

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studied more, and then, as I
watched more Benson, and I took

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the Constitution seriously, and
I know I got a lot of the basics

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on the, the founding fathers
from great.

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Like I started coming across a
lot of John Birch videos and

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also Stephen braat member him.
Yep, I do over 64.

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I went to some of his lectures
there when he was alive and my

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gosh I loved the ideas and he
spoke with a lot of internal

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testimony of Liberty when when
he talked about things and his

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presentation.
So I was influenced deeply by

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that but it became this critical
mass of knowledge.

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From like this generic idea of
conspiracy and secret

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combinations of knowing about my
whole life has become so real.

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And now there's this practical
understanding of its

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relationship to our duties.
And and we're supposed to

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understand and learn and stand
for what's right in this world.

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So that was like, you know, a
period 2000, 2008 2010, ish and

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and I just We serious study, I
read every book I could find.

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I looked into, you know, all the
organizations that were coming

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across social media, and emails
and spend some time.

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So first I came to this
understanding of the solutions

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to all of our problems were
already given to us by the

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founding fathers, right?
So at a national level the

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Constitution is the answer to
everything.

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Right.
But then and of course not just

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Not just the document, but
internalizing understanding the

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principles that were enshrined
in it.

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So that, of course, takes
further study read The

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Federalist Papers.
And what would the experiences

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that brought the founders to the
things they put in there and why

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they're there so forth?
But I thought.

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Okay, so easy answer if we just
had politicians to follow the

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Constitution and Congress that
would like fix all these

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problems.
The conspiracy makes that hard

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because it's not just that
simple.

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But I thought, what does that
mean?

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At the local level?
II.

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I spent some time.
Now in the John Birch Society,

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some other organizations that I
dabbled in by the way is

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campaign for Liberty.
This Sutherland Institute which

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I write as I.
Yeah.

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Which I then learned that they
were not on the side of Liberty,

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they were conservative right?
But they were they I was

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studying, you know, Obamacare
LED and how that was coming down

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and I was like, hey, this thing
you're supporting is actually

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part of Obamacare.
So I was done with that and I

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was always looking at, you know,
for good organizations and it

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was Benson's talk.
That said the John Birch Society

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is the most effective
organization in standing up for

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Freedom.
The talk that he gave that I was

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like, oh, we're those guys has
no, let's check them out.

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And I, so, I did a lot of
activism with them, and I

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created a chapter, I taught
Constitution courses through

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them, at my local library, I
Sighs.

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Hey, come learn about the
Constitution.

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And so, that was fun and I
learned a lot from Robert Brown

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of the John Birch Society.
He's a, he's with their

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constitutional teacher.
He lives in Utah and now he's a

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great guy.
You know who he is?

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Yeah bro.
Yep I've heard of him.

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I haven't met the gentleman.
Yep, he's got a lot of great

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A lot of good content can find

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online. and one of the things
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taught me as a chapter leader,
they have these videos as it

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said, how to build effective
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heart.
I try to take everything to

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heart, right?
I tried to really make a

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difference in everything I did
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And so they talked about
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someone assigned to, you know,
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I was like, that's great.
Like that's really what we need

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because I'm trying to figure out
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Locally, know, how do I vote on
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Interrupt me anytime, by the
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You're good.
You're here.

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Good.
Yeah, you're at listen more of

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you and less of me is always a
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So feel free.
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called the offending Utah so
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Adventures.
It was initially my John Birch

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activism.
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To it was an outgrowth of that
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21, I started investigating the
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cities because I learned how to
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implementing Agenda, 21 and so
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I went to me.
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work, they how they how these
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pretend to get community input
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I learned later was called the
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Real quick, for anyone who
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Agenda 21 is.
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into that a little more later
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about Okay, lucian's but as a
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Nations program to implement
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excuse of environmentalism and
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taken away after I read it.
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about this probably 2010, I
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about it and as a land surveyor,
I'm always curious about land

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law and they used a lot of
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And and bottom line is and like
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more, it was more about trying
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the mega cities, right?
And then depopulating, the, the

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center of the country.
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Absolutely absolutely.
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Under the excuse of
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say.
Let's preserve the Wilderness

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areas out here by moving all the
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back 100 years communist Nations
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housing type thing.
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And so it's how they control the
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So if you don't own land and
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like an apartment building, your
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swallowed up with your neighbors
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you up.
You don't need legislation to

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say now.
You got to think about the

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greater good a little bit more
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with your neighbor and you have
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know, probably, right?
So these are natural ways to

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take away our freedoms by losing
property rights in can't grow

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food, you know?
And when you're a smaller space

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it's easier to implement
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just so many of those things
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for the tyrants.
You know, the other thing you

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talked about or the You said
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And that was earlier.
You said, when you were first

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learning about this, you said,
I'm just looking Beyond The

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Mark, right?
I need to ruminate that was one

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of the things that drove me
nuts, right?

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Is talking to other mormont's,
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Because as Mormons, we are one
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trying to think of another and
maybe there are some and I just

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can't think of it where the few
who believe that the The

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Declaration of Independence, the
Constitution, the Bill of

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Rights, those are our darn near
scripture, right?

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Those comes from the lips of God
to righteous men for a righteous

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cause, right?
And so as I would talk to people

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about whether it was Agenda 21
or some of these other things in

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there, like I don't believe in
conspiracy and I remember

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thinking, but you believe the
Book of Mormon, right?

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And that's thing is littered
with conspiracy especially at

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the end.
So So, but those are just

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interesting stories.
Someone robbed and right, right?

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And I'm like, bro, this is a
sacred record of historical

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facts of the most important
things we need to see and people

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forget that there's, there are
two ways God is dealing with his

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people.
One is on a, on a personal

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level, right?
A person and their family, and

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those kind of covenants.
But we forget that the Book of

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Mormon, even as It may be a
little bit more deals with the

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national Covenant, as well,
right?

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Where, hey, if you do these
things, you'll be preserved

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here.
But you screw off, you don't

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walk up to this, National
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Why I'll wipe you off the land?
Yeah, right.

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And I think that things like
Jamestown, you know, we forget

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that there were certain
settlements that never got up

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and running probably because
they weren't, Hadn't figured

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that Covenant out yet, and they
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And, and it drove me nuts a lot,
because I feel like we, as

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Mormons, we ought to know
better, right?

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We got a whole book of scripture
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Right.
Absolutely so yeah that's that

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that just that just caught me by
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So you get you get your blog
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When does defending Utah really
begin to blossom into the

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organization is sure so so you
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finding these things that
nobody's talking about behind

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the scenes in the cities.
That was kind of my first you

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know discoveries you know,
watching how these these

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meetings Where they're just, you
know, railroading all of us, you

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know, and when no one's looking
and then they'll say well we had

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a meeting, didn't you show up
and give us your opinion you

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know and same pattern.
They use around the world and

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actually confronted a un lady in
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Nice she goes well we have to
because otherwise you're like

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children and you won't along
with the like yeah that's a

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video.
We never put out but I got the

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footage.
Oh yeah.

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So anyway, that was a little
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So I'm putting out these things
in the blog as we're starting to

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learn things and you know
definitely we're learning as we

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go here.
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We just have a passion for doing
the right thing, uncovering

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truths and we're creating our
social media presence.

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And not first, it was just me
publishing, you know what I

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write.
And then very quickly, we start

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to gather other Come on board
and it was, it was in about

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2000.
Let's see 2015.

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So 2013 is when I started the
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put together a presentation We
called it stopping modern-day

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Gaddy at and robbers, right?
So we've done on this

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investigation, This research of
remember how I said we that that

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we're looking for local things
where I said I wanted to know,

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this is the solution nationally.
What's the solution locally?

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Well Robert, well to the John
Birch Society had identified the

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problem and the solution, but to
me it was like National.

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The problem is the conspiracy.
That's why they're so effective.

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They called the enemy.
What it is.

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It's a Pharisee.
So you didn't beat around the

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bush and that, that led the
jumper Society, to be able to

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understand strategies and
tactics that were effective

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without calling it that.
And identifying, as that your

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Solutions, often times become
part of the problem or just

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pointless, right?
And that's because of, there's a

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conspiracy and they have
controlled opposition activist.

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So, looking here, that locally
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We had gone down this Rabbit
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Where is that conspiracy
locally?

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Our own backyard, right?
And so long story short, we put

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together all of our initial
findings into this presentation.

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Where we did this event sold out
within days titled, it stopping

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modern day getting and robbers
and people got really excited

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about it.
And we just went through the

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history of the From 1776, from
who started with the Bavarian

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Illuminati that was around for
10 years and we trace the

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conspiracy up through time.
The the Bavarian Illuminati was

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an an actual Organization for 10
years and then went underground

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after they were found out and
the authorities went after them

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for conspiracy to overthrow the
governments of Europe, to to if

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I'm not mistaken George washed.
There's actually a handwritten

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letter I know I'm not mistaking
because I've seen it from George

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Washington, who was a Freemason
who was warning other Mason's

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about not letting members of the
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That's, I don't know if he has
written letters.

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If I've seen that exact one,
you're referring to, but we

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quote some of the George
Washington letters in our

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initial presentation that we
came up with and and that is

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still available.
So but absolutely, you're right.

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Like, the original Freemasonry
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It wasn't like, people say, oh,
the Masons are the Illuminati or

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something like that.
And that's not.

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How does that work?
That The the Illuminati was a

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branch in Bavaria, right?
And it will in their in their

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own words, they talked about how
they infiltrated some local

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lodges, they're trying to use
that influence and then they

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were found out and, you know,
and that was how it started

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anyway the landscape today, you
know, as a whole different

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discussion.
But as far as in the beginning,

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you know, when you talk about
Joseph Smith being a Mason and

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Is watching them?
Yeah, that that is not

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synonymous with Illuminati,
right?

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That that's the point, right?
And people in, that's very clear

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from the history.
But anyway, so we trace the

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Bavarian Illuminati because we
start there now that this

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conspiracy goes back to Kane
shut, but you can trace it very

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clearly throughout history
without question going back to

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1776 when Adam Weiss helped form
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And it came up with his official
like the doctrines of the

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Illuminati, Which are, you know,
you can lay it side by side with

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the Communist Manifesto, right?
And so this is how you identify

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the opposite of the things that
actually promote Liberty, these

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principles, you know, as far as,
you know, Taxation and the

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abolition of private property
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So, going forth, their
Illuminati disbanded and you can

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trace it to another organization
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And then, you can trace that
Another organization called the

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carbonari, which you can trace
the mafia out of that.

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And, and it just goes on and on.
And on, you can trace this to

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Modern revolutionary tradition.
So we outline that to everybody

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said, hey guys, there's a
conspiracy here's where it

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started.
Here's the high level points.

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Here are some of our sources and
some books, you can read and and

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then we traced, it all it all
the way through to Utah.

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And up to modern day and said,
here's a problem in your own

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backyard.
We want to do something about it

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and so that was kind of, when
you say grew into the

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organization you had today, that
was when we first presented,

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this idea the public and we
invited people to be involved.

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And they're already where people
involved at that point, but it

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was, it was like the started
really telling people.

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Here's some good ideas, we can
Implement.

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And from that point forward we
have I can say for sure.

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My mindset has always been what
do we do about it.

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Right.
There's so much you can learn in

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the world about what problems
are out there.

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There's far less on real
practical application of what to

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do about it.
And sometimes, you know, I mean

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I didn't have clearly I don't
have all the answers and I

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didn't have all the answers and
you know, what are all the

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answers?
But I had a passion to

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understand how you find the
answers and what are the

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principles that we build our
answers upon.

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And so you can see over the
years, I have a couple power

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points where I walk through our
solution strategies over the

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00:27:06,300 --> 00:27:10,300
years and how they've evolved.
And actually, what I'm working

453
00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:16,200
on right now is a decade,
culmination of the patterns of

454
00:27:16,208 --> 00:27:18,700
the solutions.
And now here's where we are

455
00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:21,600
today.
And so I'm planning to hopefully

456
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:27,000
unveil that this year, nice.
And I may give some teasers at

457
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,700
the Firm Foundation Expo.
Not sure haven't finished that

458
00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:33,700
presentation, nice.
But but my goal is to have that

459
00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:39,100
out there so that we can Help.
People feel empowered.

460
00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:45,300
I feel it's so empowering when
you have, when you internalize

461
00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:47,400
the solutions and these
solutions they came from, the

462
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,800
founding fathers.
And they've come from our years

463
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,000
of experience of trying, one
thing and trying another seeing

464
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,300
one thing work in the, John
Birch Society, seeing something

465
00:27:55,300 --> 00:27:56,700
else work with the penny
tossing?

466
00:27:56,700 --> 00:28:01,000
Something else fell.
I was obsessed with what works

467
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,600
and why what didn't work?
How come that failed?

468
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,200
This is, this has been my
passion.

469
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:11,300
And, and then, when I what I
feel, I've come to I look back

470
00:28:11,300 --> 00:28:14,500
at the founding fathers.
I'm like, that's what they did.

471
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:20,400
They have passion and and it's
not talking about, oh, we need

472
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,600
to have a revolutionary war.
That's not the point.

473
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,300
Not the point at all.
The coin are the principles of

474
00:28:25,300 --> 00:28:27,100
Liberty.
They stood on and the

475
00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:31,200
philosophies that how they
acknowledge natural law, and how

476
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,900
empowered we are to take control
of our own lives and our Teas,

477
00:28:35,900 --> 00:28:40,000
and, and that's kind of what I
want to get across to people, to

478
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,100
help people feel empowered, no
matter where you are in the

479
00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:48,500
world, the same natural law
principles can be implemented

480
00:28:48,500 --> 00:28:50,800
effectively.
Dude, I couldn't agree with you

481
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:56,100
more and so often and I think
it's natural especially in the

482
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:59,500
time we live in.
Now, in this age, that, that I

483
00:28:59,500 --> 00:29:07,100
contend we haven't seen since
certainly the Real Revolution as

484
00:29:07,100 --> 00:29:09,100
far as these technology
advancements.

485
00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:14,300
And I think we tend to want to
look forward for answers, right?

486
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,800
Probably, because we're at Texas
I-80.

487
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,900
Now what's the latest and
greatest thing?

488
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,700
However, principles work
differently and sometimes when

489
00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:27,700
you find in and I'm about to
make my audience, throw up again

490
00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:31,200
because they've heard this as a
land surveyor, right?

491
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,500
You go and you measure something
and let's say you're off.

492
00:29:36,300 --> 00:29:41,200
Two seconds in your angle right,
in a foot it doesn't make a

493
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,900
difference in 100 feet.
It doesn't make a difference

494
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,100
maybe even in a thousand feet.
You're only seeing a couple

495
00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:54,000
hundreds of a foot but you go
far enough and you're going to

496
00:29:54,008 --> 00:29:56,600
miss your mark and you're going
to miss your mark and Tire.

497
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,900
And sometimes we need a course.
Correction.

498
00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:05,000
We need to check where it is.
We started from And then go

499
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,300
right.
Oh hell, we lost our way.

500
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,000
Yeah.
And then get back on that.

501
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,000
So sometimes it takes looking
backwards to find the answer

502
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,800
that we need.
Now, I'm not look, I'm too lazy

503
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:22,000
to live in the 1700's again
because I just really like

504
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,400
football and sitting on the
couch and watching TV.

505
00:30:24,700 --> 00:30:27,500
Right?
So I'm not going back to that

506
00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:30,100
but those principles are
Timeless.

507
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,000
Yeah.
And so going back is super,

508
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,600
super important.
The other thing you said there

509
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,300
that I think I'm glad you said
it, and it's something I want to

510
00:30:39,308 --> 00:30:42,600
drive home.
Is this idea that what's let's

511
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,800
not grab our guns yet, right?
I don't want a, bloody

512
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,800
Revolution.
I believe that the founders gave

513
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,700
us the system.
We have now So that we could

514
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:56,200
have a revolution every couple
years.

515
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,700
If we're smart enough in our
voting patterns.

516
00:31:00,700 --> 00:31:04,300
And if we truly look at things,
well, it's definitely something

517
00:31:04,300 --> 00:31:08,100
to be said about voting system,
not functioning properly sure.

518
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:10,600
Sir, right.
And so sometimes you don't want,

519
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,400
I don't want to give the easy,
you know.

520
00:31:14,100 --> 00:31:17,300
It's not like the system works
and so we have traditional

521
00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:18,600
Solutions.
People sell us.

522
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,800
Write your Congressman, you
know, run for office yourself,

523
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,500
get elect, you know those are
all good things when things are

524
00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:29,100
working in a healthy way.
But the founding fathers, they

525
00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:32,000
were in his position where they
the same problem.

526
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:34,200
Things were not working in a
healthy way, read the

527
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,300
Declaration of Independence,
what were their grievances,

528
00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:38,100
right?
You're like, inventing, these

529
00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:40,500
courts, you're just throwing us
in jail for no reason.

530
00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:42,700
You're doing another got this
whole list of things and that

531
00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:46,600
you're violating the British
constitution he had limits on

532
00:31:46,608 --> 00:31:49,100
his powers, right?
They talked about pretend

533
00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:50,900
legislation, you can't write
those laws.

534
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,400
They're doing all the things
today that they were doing back

535
00:31:54,400 --> 00:32:00,700
that clearly worse, right?
So, They didn't say also, you

536
00:32:00,700 --> 00:32:06,300
know, let's just use our system,
but but they didn't go straight

537
00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:10,200
to what you're saying, right?
There's, there's an intelligent

538
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,800
way to understand, natural law
in and how this applies?

539
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,400
So let me see if I can explain
this.

540
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:21,400
So, generally people think,
Governments doing this.

541
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,200
Let's change the law so they
can't do it.

542
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,000
That's kind of the first go to
in your brain.

543
00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:28,000
Right?
Well let's get our Congressman

544
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,100
to change the law or and if
things are functioning properly

545
00:32:31,100 --> 00:32:33,200
that could remedy problems,
right?

546
00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:42,300
But but experience has shown
that you can't, they're going to

547
00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:45,900
keep making illegal laws.
They're going to keep making

548
00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:50,100
mandates that they're not
allowed to make by law that the

549
00:32:50,500 --> 00:32:53,300
Constitution restricts them,
from doing their going to keep

550
00:32:53,300 --> 00:32:56,100
pretending like it's okay that
they do it, right?

551
00:32:56,100 --> 00:33:02,600
So they done so much, you know,
they made such a mess of the

552
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,200
system and they've confused Us
in so many ways.

553
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,000
It's like to rely on law man's
law.

554
00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:14,100
It's become so vague and
abstract, and what can you

555
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:18,100
depend on whereas nature, never
changes, right?

556
00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:21,600
So if you could understand the
law, Laws of nature and see how

557
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:26,400
those laws of nature, apply, you
can create cause and effects in

558
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,900
a way.
You don't care what laws.

559
00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:31,600
They write.
The laws of nature was still

560
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,500
apply, right?
Gravity will always be the same,

561
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,200
whether you legislate it and say
gravity is illegal.

562
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:43,600
But this is the same laws that
govern the rise and fall of

563
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,600
power and influence.
These are natural laws.

564
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:53,700
And the way the conspiracy has
destroyed our nation is, is it's

565
00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:56,200
more through the natural laws.
They're taking advantage of,

566
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:02,400
then the legislative, the, the
politics that they play follows

567
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,600
the culture first and they use
natural laws to change the

568
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,199
culture.
So Fluence.

569
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,600
And and so this is also what the
founders did and a lot of what

570
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,000
I'm going to talk about in my
presentation, when I do that.

571
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,699
So I agree with you that they're
doing a lot of the same things

572
00:34:20,699 --> 00:34:23,900
that that they did.
You know that the crown did to

573
00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:26,300
the colonists.
I guess the one thing that gives

574
00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:30,400
me hope is that we already have
a framework in place, right?

575
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,100
Yeah.
And and so in a lot of ways, I

576
00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:35,699
look at it and I say we don't
need a Bloody Revolution.

577
00:34:35,699 --> 00:34:39,500
What we need is to get back.
To what we were doing.

578
00:34:39,699 --> 00:34:42,800
Totally right.
And and and I think we can can

579
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,800
preserve it that way.
The other thing that I would say

580
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:52,600
is that they're still
nullification, right?

581
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,100
I mean which is, which is my
that's actually one of the

582
00:34:55,100 --> 00:34:58,500
biggest points nullification it,
relies on the natural law, it's

583
00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:00,600
an area check and balance,
right?

584
00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:04,500
And and then and then yeah,
through nullification there

585
00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:06,600
there, I feel like there's a lot
we can do.

586
00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:11,400
I will say this, if we're going
to go down the Nullification

587
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,600
route, which I'm totally in
favor of, we have to be willing

588
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,800
to go to jail, right?
And I hate to say it that way,

589
00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:24,300
but we're talking about peaceful
nonviolent. but resistance right

590
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:29,300
that will the founders certainly
sign this sacred on us he ever

591
00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:36,200
out but I believe that even a
properly implemented I think it

592
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:41,800
will won't be as necessary even
that as some people fear because

593
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,600
because natural laws on our
side.

594
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,900
Yeah.
That if that's my point and it's

595
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:50,600
hard for me to totally get into
that without showing you my

596
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,100
presentation.
That's not here that have

597
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:56,900
unveiled yet, but, but it's the
idea of nullification.

598
00:35:57,500 --> 00:36:02,400
It's very simple where I mask I
don't want to write and as soon

599
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,400
as three people don't wear the
mask or 10 people, Wearing it

600
00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:11,700
then, you know that catches on.
And so I guess I can speak a

601
00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:16,000
little bit to how this works.
I guess I don't want you ruining

602
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,100
your presentation.
Yeah, no, no.

603
00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:26,300
So so there was a The tyrants in
power want to keep the illusion

604
00:36:26,300 --> 00:36:31,400
that they are in control, right?
So if they say everyone wear a

605
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,500
mask and everyone does they say
good job.

606
00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:37,000
You're doing that because we
told you so People stopped

607
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,800
wearing it.
It's a few Misfits, they'll make

608
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,300
fun of you on the news.
Bill you know crazy man.

609
00:36:44,300 --> 00:36:46,800
At the grocery store wouldn't
wear his mask and now old lady

610
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,700
died of covid, you know, but if
if half the people in the

611
00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:57,300
community just don't do it or or
even just a small chunk and Then

612
00:36:57,300 --> 00:36:59,800
it can, everyone else is like, I
don't want to wear that either.

613
00:37:00,900 --> 00:37:04,100
This is what happened when when
the school's stop pushing it.

614
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,400
If you remember, at the end of
the school year in the 2021

615
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:13,700
school year, There was finally
one school board oz in southern

616
00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:16,200
Utah.
That said, students don't have

617
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,700
to do it.
This is a less than a month.

618
00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:22,200
I believe before the school year
ended and up to this point the

619
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,200
governor was saying there's a
mandate in effect.

620
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,600
So You know, till the end of the
school year.

621
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,900
But as soon as the school did
put that in place and half the

622
00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:37,900
kids show up, not wearing it.
And now it's and then, and then

623
00:37:37,900 --> 00:37:39,600
very shortly.
Nobody's wearing it.

624
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:47,400
The governor says oh we're
releasing the Mandate right as

625
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,500
if that was my plan all along.
So you'll find that when

626
00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:54,900
communities work together
intelligently and effectively

627
00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:56,600
and they're educated on what
they're doing.

628
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,300
They know why they don't have to
wear a mask not just doing it

629
00:38:00,300 --> 00:38:02,400
because they're mad.
They're, you know, they're, I'm

630
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,900
not going to wear masks because
I don't want you to tell me what

631
00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:07,700
to do.
It's it's they understand what

632
00:38:07,700 --> 00:38:09,500
their rights are and they can
intelligently.

633
00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:13,800
Relate them to the, to the rest
of the community, who may not,

634
00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:17,500
you know, know why you're not
listening to the rules and that

635
00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:21,700
catches on, there's a community
effect, right?

636
00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:26,600
There's, there's an overall
effects and tyrants back down is

637
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,500
they don't want to look like,
they're not in charge.

638
00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:32,900
So, let me ask you this.
Do you think that what happened

639
00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:35,000
in southern Utah?
There, do you feel like that

640
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,700
that was a coordinated effort?
Or do you think that was just a

641
00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:41,900
natural outgrowth of people?
Finally, Being like we're all

642
00:38:41,900 --> 00:38:45,100
going to get this.
It's the you know it's a bad flu

643
00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:48,800
or whatever it is and they just
stop doing it or do you believe

644
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,100
it was more coordinated.
So there was I can tell you.

645
00:38:51,107 --> 00:38:55,500
There are some coordination that
we were involved in some of the

646
00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:58,800
individuals down there that were
okay, that were doing that.

647
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,600
And we had we had friends down
there, we had gone done, some

648
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,300
presentations, and there were
some very good people down there

649
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:09,700
that you know, we all helped
Inspire each other.

650
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:12,700
As we get together and we talk
about these things.

651
00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:17,900
So there was a I don't know the
whole story so I don't want to

652
00:39:17,900 --> 00:39:19,700
like miss any details of someone
who knows.

653
00:39:19,700 --> 00:39:24,700
Her story is like there but I
know some of the players and

654
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,000
There, there was already a
bubbling influence down there

655
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,200
and people saying we need to
push something, we'd organized a

656
00:39:36,207 --> 00:39:41,300
little bit, so that's where I
say the natural law Committees

657
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:43,000
of safety and Committees of
Correspondence.

658
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,700
And that's based on the natural
law, natural as possible.

659
00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:48,000
That's why the founders gave us
the right to assemble.

660
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,900
They needed to know that when
government was completely bad,

661
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:58,500
We could reassemble and we could
we could as a community go back

662
00:39:58,500 --> 00:40:04,000
and tell our local tyrants.
No, go away.

663
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,700
Go away.
Who's in charge, right?

664
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,100
The right to assemble, is so
essential.

665
00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:12,800
And comes away before, you know,
saying we need a revolution.

666
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,600
Use your right to assemble
first.

667
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:21,200
There's so much power in that
and but not just assemble for no

668
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,300
reason.
I think this is where there's or

669
00:40:23,300 --> 00:40:26,000
responsible merging of
leveraging, the right to

670
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,300
assemble with the right
education. and then I think

671
00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:33,400
that's a lot of what my
presentation is going to write

672
00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:37,300
how we use our right to assemble
and, and it becomes

673
00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:45,500
nullification at the community
level and So I lost my train of

674
00:40:45,500 --> 00:40:46,800
thought.
I don't know if we answer the

675
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,200
question.
Yeah, I think so.

676
00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:51,300
Let me ask you this because this
is something that I have felt

677
00:40:51,300 --> 00:40:55,300
now.
For probably Well, probably,

678
00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:59,700
since since covid, went into the
deep dark lockdowns, right?

679
00:40:59,900 --> 00:41:03,700
The government instituted, those
which is I feel like the

680
00:41:03,700 --> 00:41:09,000
national level is gone, right?
It's been taken and now we need

681
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:14,300
to focus more at home, right?
Local lawyer, state or county,

682
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:16,900
or city.
You think that's a fair

683
00:41:16,908 --> 00:41:19,000
assessment.
You think we're going to have

684
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,500
to?
I think, for so long, we've

685
00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:23,500
looked towards Washington for
the answers.

686
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,900
And I'll just tell a quick
story.

687
00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:31,500
I remember I was so taken aback
by that Toria story.

688
00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:34,900
I told you earlier about when I
was in Independence, Hall it,

689
00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:38,600
spurred a move.
I move my entire family out to

690
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,900
the eastern shore of Maryland,
so I could be closer to the

691
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:43,800
history.
Did some cool things right?

692
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,100
Well, retrace went to Washington
surveys.

693
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,100
Turn an angle off the
Mason-Dixon Line, right?

694
00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:54,800
This some really cool things.
but I remember I took my family

695
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:59,900
to Philadelphia and we walked,
you know, Down Independence,

696
00:41:59,900 --> 00:42:02,900
Hall to the little home that
still exist.

697
00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:06,900
Were Jefferson said he left
Philadelphia to escape this

698
00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:10,100
sweltering summer to write the
the, the Declaration of

699
00:42:10,107 --> 00:42:16,200
Independence and then we went to
Washington and we walk down K

700
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,200
Street.
And I remember my son at, he was

701
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:25,900
probably Probably eight.
I remember, he looked at me,

702
00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:31,800
said, I feel achy here, right?
And so I, I'm like, no, there's

703
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,300
a good reason for that, right?
I mean, we're walking through

704
00:42:34,300 --> 00:42:37,100
some, some, some rough stuff
here.

705
00:42:37,100 --> 00:42:39,700
I mean, and it was a nice part
of town, but it was where all

706
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:42,900
the special interest was?
It was where all the real stuff

707
00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:47,800
happened.
But I remember thinking even

708
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,900
then, and then it's crystallized
in the last couple of years, we

709
00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:56,400
can't look to Washington anymore
for Solutions, right?

710
00:42:56,900 --> 00:43:01,700
I think everyone gets taken with
this idea of who's going to be

711
00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:05,400
president and I'm like I don't
care anymore.

712
00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:07,600
Yeah, right.
Let's let's focus on what's

713
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,400
Happening Here in Utah and Utah
County.

714
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:14,400
He was never intended to be the
most powerful, man.

715
00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:17,300
No, no, no.
Order the never intended use.

716
00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:22,500
He had very limited function,
executive of the very limited

717
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:27,100
enumerated powers.
Yeah, it was it was set up and

718
00:43:27,100 --> 00:43:28,400
you probably know better than I
do.

719
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,200
It was set up so that you didn't
care who was president, right.

720
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:33,900
Right.
At the end of the day it

721
00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:37,300
wouldn't have impacted your life
very much, right.

722
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,000
Exactly.
And I think it doesn't have to

723
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,200
today still and it only does
because of a media circus,

724
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,000
right?
That that goes on.

725
00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:48,800
Well, That we've seen, we've
just seated more power to

726
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,400
Washington over and over and
over, right?

727
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,800
So now it kind of does matter
but it matters because we can

728
00:43:54,800 --> 00:44:00,300
stick to the plan.
Well, part, I think part of that

729
00:44:00,300 --> 00:44:02,600
is because people don't
understand.

730
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,900
How government works, right?
And in general, you think they

731
00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:10,400
have the power bi and can make
an announcement that says

732
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,600
everyone wear masks nationally.
Now we all got to do it, how

733
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,800
many people would just do it?
Because they think that's the

734
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,400
power that he has right versus
if you know he doesn't have that

735
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,600
right?
It's just a silly ridiculous

736
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,500
thing he said on TV you go about
your life for a lot of it.

737
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:31,200
I think there is a mental aspect
as much as actual, you know,

738
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,300
power with an enforcement.
Some some agency, right?

739
00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:39,100
A lot.
There's a lot of mental and it

740
00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:42,400
starts with the mental anyway
before you understand that some

741
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,900
random agency doesn't have the
power, they say they're having.

742
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:50,100
So so, you know, so your
question was on the local level

743
00:44:50,100 --> 00:44:53,800
and I want to talk about Samuel
Adams and is education and why?

744
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:59,200
And why I love him.
And so yes, this the solutions

745
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,800
are local weather.
We have a good government or a

746
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,200
bad government, the solution Our
local, even if the New World

747
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:10,000
Order gets fully implemented and
everyone's got a microchip and

748
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:13,600
the worst tyranny.
You can imagine the solutions

749
00:45:13,700 --> 00:45:18,600
always start right here and your
family from the ground up, so

750
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,900
like Nationals never lost.
But if your locals lost you

751
00:45:22,900 --> 00:45:25,000
can't get to your National
level, right?

752
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:30,200
So we have a long ways to go to
fix a lot of local areas before

753
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:31,800
you can even ask the national
question.

754
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,300
So I think that's it's like the
wrong.

755
00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:39,000
It's like we fix National these.
You just we always have to think

756
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,800
starting local.
Absolutely.

757
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:47,300
And to start local.
You know, Samuel Adams recognize

758
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:54,000
that the colonists needed to be
educated, not an issues, but in

759
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,400
the ability to reason out their
own rights in their own minds,

760
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:02,800
so that no matter what tyranny
they faced, they can say that's

761
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,300
wrong.
And that's where I know why

762
00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:07,500
that's wrong.
And and so, he saw the power,

763
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,100
that's the foundation of America
was in the education of the

764
00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:13,900
general population, on the
principles of Liberty.

765
00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:18,400
In what their rights are.
And so he dedicated 20 years of

766
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:29,300
his life before he he, you know,
There was a period of time

767
00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:32,300
dedicated 20 years of his life
to just the education of the

768
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:34,600
colonists, I guess, two other
things too.

769
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,500
But but the point was he spent
20 years educating the people so

770
00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:39,900
they can reuse it out their own
rights.

771
00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:44,000
And so there is an aspect.
We have to accept the

772
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,100
responsibility of educating
ourselves.

773
00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:50,400
We can't say, I love the
Constitution but you've never

774
00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:55,400
opened that pocket constitutions
picked up at some point, right?

775
00:46:55,500 --> 00:46:59,600
We can't, if if we can't Through
it and explain to our teenager,

776
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,000
what this line means.
And that line means no.

777
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,100
How can we say?
We love it.

778
00:47:04,100 --> 00:47:06,600
And, and the more you
understand, even the

779
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,900
nitty-gritty reasoning for all
the different words in the

780
00:47:09,900 --> 00:47:14,400
Constitution, then you start to
understand really what's right?

781
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,400
And what's wrong in in national
and local government so forth.

782
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:26,000
I can give you very clear
example, 2019, a flower shop on

783
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:33,000
State Street is is getting
harassed by the city and and

784
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,300
really the supplies you could go
in any City.

785
00:47:35,700 --> 00:47:39,200
Look in the meeting minutes for
the Planning Commission and just

786
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,900
see who they're harassing that
week, right?

787
00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:47,700
Which business you now have
businesses, you can go to, to,

788
00:47:47,700 --> 00:47:49,800
to relate to to hear their
story.

789
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,800
These are people who need the
community to stand with them.

790
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:55,700
They need to know what their
rights are.

791
00:47:55,700 --> 00:48:01,100
They know they're getting hose
somehow. you know, but they

792
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:09,900
couldn't most of them couldn't
explain how and so the state

793
00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:15,000
constitution has a limitation
cause on on our legislation, on

794
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,700
our legislators that says, That
you know, private property will

795
00:48:19,700 --> 00:48:23,800
means remain Supreme and a free
market will govern.

796
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,300
The will be the policy of the
state of Utah.

797
00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:31,300
There's various Clauses in there
that are principle-based and

798
00:48:31,300 --> 00:48:34,400
based on those principles you
know you can start seeing things

799
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,700
cities are doing and city code.
They can come onto your business

800
00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:42,400
and tell you don't have enough
trees right on your front yard,

801
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:47,000
you know, the principle is that
you own your property.

802
00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:49,500
Unless you're harming your
neighbors, life, liberty or

803
00:48:49,500 --> 00:48:52,900
property, then you get to be
left alone.

804
00:48:53,500 --> 00:48:57,700
And and if your neighbor is not
the one complaining, you know,

805
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,200
there may be some edge cases,
there may be some you know, I'm

806
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:07,100
not a hundred percent opposed to
like CDs and general nonspecific

807
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,100
zoning to a point, right?
But even then it's like

808
00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:15,700
unnecessary but I wouldn't even
tell Dad I on all right Texas,

809
00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:18,500
does it have any zoning laws?
Cause and somehow they've

810
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:21,200
managed to survive this long and
be just fine.

811
00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:23,600
Natural law will take effect,
right?

812
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,700
So, no way I'm advocating
zoning, but I'm just saying

813
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,100
Well, do you know, Joseph Smith
was all about no licensing,

814
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,900
right?
And, and I'd be all for no

815
00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:37,600
zoning.
I know the city of Duchesne, we

816
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,500
had defending Utah members on
their city council that, you

817
00:49:41,508 --> 00:49:45,400
know, they, they made steps in
that direction to just leave

818
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,800
people alone, you know, and no
regulations.

819
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:53,200
And they had, they only had to
deal with State rules that came

820
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,700
down or something along those
lines.

821
00:49:55,300 --> 00:49:58,800
So, but my point is, this is
what the cities are doing, is

822
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,400
illegal.
And if you don't know why what

823
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,600
they're doing is illegal, then
you don't know what to say to

824
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,700
the code enforcement guy that
comes by and gives you some

825
00:50:09,700 --> 00:50:13,000
random rule that totally
violates your property rights.

826
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,900
You have to understand, there's
a constitutional limitation

827
00:50:16,300 --> 00:50:21,500
given to the government of Utah
by the Constitution that extends

828
00:50:21,500 --> 00:50:24,600
to the cities.
Right.

829
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:29,200
No, I'm makes that So let's talk
about that, right?

830
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:36,400
Because I think education has to
be a central point in finding

831
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,500
our way out of this.
Right?

832
00:50:38,500 --> 00:50:42,500
If you some of the saddest stuff
I see is when, you know, you

833
00:50:42,500 --> 00:50:46,000
remember when Jay Leno was
hosting the Tonight Show need go

834
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,600
jaywalking so to speak, where he
would just talk to people asking

835
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:54,200
questions about either history
or what's going on in modern-day

836
00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:56,100
life and they were just
clueless.

837
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,400
How can we educate more people,
effectively?

838
00:51:02,900 --> 00:51:06,400
Concerning Liberty, right?
Because I think one of the

839
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:11,600
things that we've done as a
society and we did it out of

840
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,800
reverence for a while, we turn
to the founders into marble

841
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:21,700
statues, right.
And we've taught history in such

842
00:51:21,700 --> 00:51:25,700
a way that it's either boring or
incorrect or most likely both.

843
00:51:26,500 --> 00:51:33,500
So how do we Get how do, how can
we reach people and educate them

844
00:51:34,300 --> 00:51:36,700
in a way?
That's easy to digest because

845
00:51:36,700 --> 00:51:41,200
that's often the problem, right?
I remember with my kids, I would

846
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,900
explain to them the Constitution
and the Bill of Rights and the

847
00:51:43,900 --> 00:51:47,300
Declaration look at all this and
they'd be like, here we go

848
00:51:47,300 --> 00:51:51,200
again, Dad's going at it.
But when I put the founders back

849
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:56,400
in place where they were like
Rebels, they were They worry, I

850
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,400
remember I told my whole send
you don't like it when I tell

851
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,100
you what to do, right?
No well neither did they when

852
00:52:02,100 --> 00:52:06,300
the king tried to do it, how do
we educate these people?

853
00:52:06,300 --> 00:52:09,900
How do we get shouldn't say
these people, all people, how do

854
00:52:09,900 --> 00:52:13,700
we get these principles into
their hands and into their heads

855
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:18,200
where they know it?
Well certainly you're right

856
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:27,200
about history being made boring
on purpose in schools and Public

857
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,900
Schools kill a love for
learning.

858
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,100
Yes home.
Anyways, right?

859
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,200
I think there's something to be
said about history can be made

860
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,000
alive with the right details and
with the right stories and

861
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,000
relating them.
Certainly realizing the reality.

862
00:52:45,100 --> 00:52:48,900
Like when people have a real
situation, they can apply the

863
00:52:48,900 --> 00:52:50,600
storable contact.
Still my gosh.

864
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,900
They they knew what they were
talking about, they fought the

865
00:52:53,900 --> 00:52:55,400
Tyrant.
Well, I've got this tyrant.

866
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:01,400
You know, and there's a lot of
people that put out different

867
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,400
content, you know, we put a lot
of content over the years,

868
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:09,500
trying to solve this issue and
then, as we've organized

869
00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:12,000
chapters over the years with
defending Utah, and John Birch

870
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,000
Society has done a lot of
similar things.

871
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,600
You know, the goal is the one of
the goals of the chapters has

872
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,700
been to help.
Educate your neighbors, have

873
00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:25,400
Cottage meetings, invite your
neighbors over.

874
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,500
And discuss in an intimate
setting you know and with with

875
00:53:29,500 --> 00:53:31,600
an exciting speaker or
presentation, you know.

876
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:38,000
So I think having an organized
effort to Agro ecology meetings

877
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,700
in communities has always been
something that I've seen

878
00:53:41,700 --> 00:53:46,700
effective over the years and and
seeing that grow JBS was very

879
00:53:46,700 --> 00:53:50,000
effective doing it.
And that's where we've seen some

880
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:55,200
of our best successes for sure.
And I think not beating around

881
00:53:55,200 --> 00:54:01,000
the bush. when you tell stories,
you know, you know, talking

882
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,500
about the Miracles of the
founding fathers and the

883
00:54:03,500 --> 00:54:07,600
Miracles of this state of Utah,
you know, these are things that

884
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,900
are also being erased, mmm for
sure.

885
00:54:10,900 --> 00:54:16,000
So, and may not be a silver
bullet to that.

886
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,500
I think organizing effectively,
you know, is I've always had the

887
00:54:20,500 --> 00:54:23,100
entrepreneurial mindset, you
know, how we, how can we build

888
00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:27,200
something that can effectively
serve that purpose, but the

889
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:31,500
people involved and enthusiasm
they have The time dedicate

890
00:54:31,500 --> 00:54:36,300
having good leaders, definitely
puts that into Super charging

891
00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:39,200
them to reach people.
I think you hit on something

892
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:44,800
super important to and that's
this idea of organizing as if

893
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,700
you want to call us
conservatives or you want to

894
00:54:47,700 --> 00:54:53,800
call us Libertarians or you know
classical liberals however you

895
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,500
want to put it.
We seem to stink on ice when it

896
00:54:57,500 --> 00:55:03,200
comes to trying to be, you know,
do public, you know, or

897
00:55:03,500 --> 00:55:06,400
organizing, right?
That seems to be a tool of the

898
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,800
left a lot.
They got good at that a

899
00:55:08,808 --> 00:55:12,200
community organizer, and right?
And they can hire people and

900
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,800
they can hire people because
there's an endless stream of

901
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,400
money.
I got all the from the likes of

902
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,700
sorro's.
I fed the Endowment for the Arts

903
00:55:19,700 --> 00:55:25,300
or whatever you want to say.
I often look at our side and I'm

904
00:55:25,300 --> 00:55:28,500
like, well yeah I get why did we
don't want to?

905
00:55:28,500 --> 00:55:31,400
I don't want to organize guy.
I understand why they don't

906
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,500
because I don't because I work a
full-time job.

907
00:55:34,500 --> 00:55:37,800
I got kids.
I got all these things, right?

908
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:43,100
And and so how how have you
found it best to start

909
00:55:43,100 --> 00:55:46,700
organizing on the right side of
the spare?

910
00:55:46,700 --> 00:55:51,000
That's a very good question.
And, you know, Benson talked

911
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:56,700
about At that and and I think a
lot of his ideas came from his

912
00:55:56,700 --> 00:56:00,200
friendship with Robert Welch in
the John Birch Society so I can

913
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,000
I can speak to.
This is one of the things they

914
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,400
did really well which we have
aimed to duplicate at defending

915
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:11,600
Utah and it's, you know, we
educate ourselves but we can't

916
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:16,700
all dedicate Our Lives to
fighting tyrants everyday or

917
00:56:16,700 --> 00:56:19,800
watching out, you know, but we
have to have the mindset so that

918
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:24,300
as we go about our regular Eyes.
We know what little things we

919
00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:28,700
can do and it becomes a regular
part of our culture, that the

920
00:56:28,700 --> 00:56:31,400
things that we do as part of
being organized.

921
00:56:33,500 --> 00:56:36,300
I know.
So JBS called it defending.

922
00:56:36,300 --> 00:56:40,200
Freedom is a marathon not a
Sprint so you just decide a

923
00:56:40,207 --> 00:56:44,400
little piece of you is dedicated
to stand like the founders did

924
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,800
but just a little piece of you
doesn't have to be your whole

925
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,500
life that you're giving and you
dedicate just that you know,

926
00:56:51,500 --> 00:56:53,900
whatever organization you're a
part of that monthly meeting

927
00:56:53,900 --> 00:56:57,300
that weekly meeting and you give
a little, but you kind of commit

928
00:56:57,300 --> 00:57:00,600
to just is that principle lift,
where you stand and give a

929
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,800
little bit consistently.
And if your heart is in it and a

930
00:57:04,808 --> 00:57:08,300
whole Community has that
attitude, I think then you're

931
00:57:08,300 --> 00:57:11,800
going to find.
We can all live our lives and

932
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:18,800
but have this culture that has a
strong has that strong cultural

933
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:23,700
undertones that that Liberty
matters here and and we won't

934
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:29,400
tolerate nonsense here, right?
As I thought about it, I've

935
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,400
often thought there, I think we
need to be better at integrating

936
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:39,800
the two things when it dawned on
me once when I was working on

937
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,500
vacation of all things, I know
it sounds silly, but I had to do

938
00:57:43,500 --> 00:57:46,800
15 minutes of work, right?
And I could do it all from my

939
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,900
phone.
And I thought this is probably

940
00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:53,000
how we have to do this Liberty
thing, right?

941
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:57,600
We have to be able to make that
just another part of our day,

942
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,700
right?
Right to where it's just second

943
00:57:59,700 --> 00:58:03,200
nature to what we do.
So that if you're at work and

944
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,100
you encounter someone that you
got a good rapport with, you can

945
00:58:06,100 --> 00:58:10,100
have this conversation, right?
And, and I think integration

946
00:58:10,100 --> 00:58:12,800
seems to be absolutely Big T
anymore.

947
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,800
I focus on and you know what?
And that's part of a part of the

948
00:58:16,808 --> 00:58:19,700
natural law.
Ow, you may have heard this term

949
00:58:19,700 --> 00:58:25,200
claim, use the bend, right?
And so whatever we you want the

950
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:32,400
reality to be tomorrow, you need
to claim that reality today by

951
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:42,700
declaring it.
So so So, in our everyday lives,

952
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:47,600
as we go to our about our
business, like you said just by

953
00:58:47,900 --> 00:58:49,700
okay.
So, some very simple examples.

954
00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:52,400
You have a bumper sticker or you
have a storefront in.

955
00:58:52,500 --> 00:58:57,000
You know, you you can put
Positive messages in your

956
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,700
storefront or whatever or you're
in a business meeting, and this

957
00:59:00,700 --> 00:59:02,700
would be a good one, Business
Leaders in the business

958
00:59:02,700 --> 00:59:05,400
Community, you're doing your
normal networking, you're making

959
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:09,200
deals, you know, with your
suppliers and then someone wants

960
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,900
to get a government grant and
you just throw in there, you

961
00:59:12,900 --> 00:59:14,500
know?
Well, I don't I think your

962
00:59:14,500 --> 00:59:17,700
opinion on how principle do you
think that is and maybe we

963
00:59:17,700 --> 00:59:20,500
should find another way, it'll
be better for a company because

964
00:59:20,500 --> 00:59:25,200
it's kind of wrong to, you know,
to take government money to save

965
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:26,400
her.
Right.

966
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,100
And so, so definitely
integration of the principles,

967
00:59:30,100 --> 00:59:31,800
the principles have to be in our
heads.

968
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,100
And then they need to come out
in our day-to-day interactions

969
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:42,100
but but come back that claim use
defend thing it's like However,

970
00:59:42,100 --> 00:59:46,900
you want it to be.
Let me give you an example.

971
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:51,300
So, I'm a software engineer and
years ago.

972
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:56,100
Many years ago, I did something.
I'm gonna be a little bit

973
00:59:56,100 --> 00:59:58,900
generic because I don't want to
be specific about sure any

974
00:59:58,900 --> 00:59:59,800
companies.
Okay.

975
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,900
But this was a real experience.
So I did something in the

976
01:00:03,900 --> 01:00:09,100
company that as an engineer I
knew was important, nobody.

977
01:00:09,100 --> 01:00:12,300
So there's always this business
side and Engineers you know that

978
01:00:12,300 --> 01:00:16,000
that deal in these on Right.
So I did something.

979
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:20,000
I knew was important.
The the business didn't fully

980
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,200
understand what I was doing or
why and didn't really care.

981
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:31,500
And so, but I just did anyway
and I just kind of stood on this

982
01:00:31,500 --> 01:00:35,900
is this is how this should be.
And no one really strongly

983
01:00:35,900 --> 01:00:43,000
objected but just let it be well
over time as this piece of

984
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,100
engineering was react became
reality.

985
01:00:47,100 --> 01:00:49,600
Old people go, there's turnover
in the company.

986
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:53,800
New people come in and now, this
thing that I've established that

987
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:58,100
I knew was important, the
newcomers they just see it.

988
01:00:58,100 --> 01:01:01,300
As that's how things have always
been, right?

989
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:05,100
Okay, right.
So, in a way, I claimed, the

990
01:01:05,107 --> 01:01:09,500
reality of what I knew, what was
right, despite even if everyone

991
01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:13,800
else didn't understand it and no
strong objections, you know, I

992
01:01:13,808 --> 01:01:17,200
would have happily explained and
I did, you know, Myself to

993
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,800
anyone who cared, but no one
felt that strongly so it just

994
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,900
we've done in our communities.
We can, we can claim Liberty in

995
01:01:23,900 --> 01:01:25,600
these ways.
And again, this is a small piece

996
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:29,000
of my presentation that I'm
going to weave in how these

997
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,400
natural laws can come into play
as we organized in our

998
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:33,700
communities.
Dude, I'm sorry.

999
01:01:33,700 --> 01:01:36,800
I got you just doing a little
bits of your presentation, okay,

1000
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,400
please, I'm worried.
I'm gonna know.

1001
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:42,700
You won't kill it because I want
to I want to share it and I'll

1002
01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:44,700
just it'll all get put together,
you know?

1003
01:01:44,700 --> 01:01:48,900
And there's no.
No, there's no spoilers.

1004
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:50,900
Okay, right.
All right, everything we're,

1005
01:01:50,900 --> 01:01:52,000
yeah.
We're these are peas, are

1006
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:59,100
principles their teasers.
So, so the founding fathers

1007
01:01:59,100 --> 01:02:03,900
declared a truth first, right?
They said we are free to the

1008
01:02:03,900 --> 01:02:06,500
king of England.
The moment they declared.

1009
01:02:06,500 --> 01:02:09,300
It was reality, the king of
England.

1010
01:02:11,500 --> 01:02:15,700
Didn't agree, right?
But everyone that wanted that to

1011
01:02:15,700 --> 01:02:19,700
be real agreed.
And it might have been a lot of

1012
01:02:19,700 --> 01:02:23,300
people who said, I don't know
that that's such a smart idea,

1013
01:02:23,300 --> 01:02:25,300
you know, you can kind of
Imagine sure the different

1014
01:02:25,300 --> 01:02:27,800
aspects.
It gets started with a with a

1015
01:02:27,808 --> 01:02:33,400
small group of people.
That declared the reality, they

1016
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,000
declared their truth that they
wanted it to be.

1017
01:02:36,500 --> 01:02:40,400
And so then from that point
Mount that point forward, you

1018
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,500
know, once you declare something
that's that's like the claim and

1019
01:02:43,500 --> 01:02:46,300
claim use defend, your claiming
your reality.

1020
01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:49,900
And so there's a whole history
of these various declarations.

1021
01:02:49,900 --> 01:02:52,700
Actually that's another that's
another presentation, right?

1022
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,700
There was a whole string of
declarations that built up to

1023
01:02:55,700 --> 01:03:00,900
the Declaration of Independence.
Well, if the king had just said

1024
01:03:00,900 --> 01:03:04,100
well that sucks.
It would have been an over as

1025
01:03:04,100 --> 01:03:05,900
soon as you declare your
reality, then.

1026
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,700
There's a powerful influence
that has over the mind and then

1027
01:03:09,700 --> 01:03:12,000
the longer it sits there and
germinates.

1028
01:03:12,500 --> 01:03:15,300
Nobody else has to necessarily
do anything specific.

1029
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,200
But if there's a core group of
people, that are saying, this is

1030
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,800
how things are this.
Is, this is how the Constitution

1031
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:27,300
Works in our community, and so
forth, whatever it is over time,

1032
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:31,700
everyone's start seeing this is
how it's always been. and so

1033
01:03:31,700 --> 01:03:35,700
this is a natural law, you're
using you, now claimed it,

1034
01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:41,100
you're Now using that reality
consistently And hopefully you

1035
01:03:41,100 --> 01:03:43,400
never have to defend if it's
done effectively.

1036
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:51,000
Hmm.
Which but but that the founders

1037
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:52,400
did.
Right?

1038
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:56,500
We're at the point?
Yeah, I think I think we're

1039
01:03:56,500 --> 01:04:01,100
almost back to that one, right?
I really think if we want to

1040
01:04:01,100 --> 01:04:04,400
start.
Reinvigorating.

1041
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,900
Our society with these, we have
to reinvigorate our homes with

1042
01:04:07,900 --> 01:04:09,100
it first.
Absolutely.

1043
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,000
Our families are the first
Committee of Safety Services.

1044
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,700
So so with using saying, you
know, you declare your reality.

1045
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,300
I think that has to start at
home, right?

1046
01:04:18,300 --> 01:04:20,400
Absolutely.
We have this conversation with

1047
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:24,100
our kids and I remember, I told
you, I was like, look, we're

1048
01:04:24,100 --> 01:04:30,200
going to be different, right?
My boys hated me because like,

1049
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:33,800
when when their dads were like,
Like when their friends is dads

1050
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,700
were out there and, you know,
they were like, we're going to

1051
01:04:36,700 --> 01:04:40,500
the whatever I'm like, we're
going to sit down wherever you'd

1052
01:04:40,500 --> 01:04:43,200
Washington's rules for
gentlemanly conduct indecent

1053
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:44,900
Behavior.
Hi, right.

1054
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:50,300
But I look now, I remember my
son when he went on his first

1055
01:04:50,300 --> 01:04:53,500
date and he did all the things
that Washington talked about

1056
01:04:53,500 --> 01:04:56,900
standing at the table, when a
woman comes to the table, right?

1057
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,400
Those sorts of things.
Yeah, dates left and right.

1058
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:04,700
But I mean, it was, it was Those
things where we're at, that had

1059
01:05:04,700 --> 01:05:07,700
to start at home, right?
And I think we're that place

1060
01:05:07,700 --> 01:05:14,200
with these, with these, these
principles of Liberty, I know,

1061
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,100
certainly because I'm a huge
Washington guy out of all the

1062
01:05:17,100 --> 01:05:19,800
founders.
I find him the most remarkable,

1063
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:24,000
and I am the least guy like
Washington, right?

1064
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:29,700
But I almost have a whole EnV
for how he was able to conduct

1065
01:05:29,700 --> 01:05:33,400
himself and and so I find Myself
saying, where's the next

1066
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,400
Washington?
And it's occurred to me, we're

1067
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:36,900
going to have to grow up.
Yeah?

1068
01:05:37,100 --> 01:05:38,800
Right.
Whereas a groan from home.

1069
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:43,700
First, the other thing that I've
always told my kids growing up,

1070
01:05:44,100 --> 01:05:45,800
a leader.
Is the first person to do.

1071
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,600
The right thing, we all have to
be.

1072
01:05:48,100 --> 01:05:51,200
We asked all of us.
Yep, absolutely.

1073
01:05:52,100 --> 01:05:56,600
Um, do you think that as a
society in general?

1074
01:05:56,700 --> 01:06:00,200
I'm not talking about the folks
that come because this is

1075
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:03,400
something that is frustrated me.
I'm not talking about the folks

1076
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:08,700
that go to the meetings, right?
Go to defending Utah meetings or

1077
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,700
those who are our Liberty
minded.

1078
01:06:13,300 --> 01:06:16,300
But there seems to be and I'm
looking for a glimmer of hope

1079
01:06:16,300 --> 01:06:19,900
here.
There seems to be just a general

1080
01:06:19,900 --> 01:06:25,200
sense of apathy towards this.
How do we wake people up from

1081
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,400
that?
So?

1082
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,900
Well, I think the first thing to
understand is that sense of

1083
01:06:30,900 --> 01:06:33,900
apathy is part of the strategy
of the enemy it is, yep.

1084
01:06:34,100 --> 01:06:36,700
Right.
And so, that gives you some

1085
01:06:36,700 --> 01:06:41,000
insight into how they work is.
Well, they want our lives to be

1086
01:06:41,100 --> 01:06:45,100
as comfortable as possible, so
that we maintain that acetate.

1087
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:48,900
So definitely it takes creating
inspiration.

1088
01:06:49,900 --> 01:06:53,600
And you know, we can all bring
ideas to the table on that,

1089
01:06:53,900 --> 01:06:56,400
right?
I think people like to hear a

1090
01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:01,400
little bit of what's wrong and
then you got to give them an

1091
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:06,100
understanding of how we can fix
this, how this works.

1092
01:07:06,100 --> 01:07:12,400
And that's what I hope to do
with with the solutions that I'm

1093
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,900
coming out with.
So inspire people, you know,

1094
01:07:15,900 --> 01:07:19,000
inspire people with successes of
the past inspire people in

1095
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:20,800
different ways.
There are many people with

1096
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:25,900
artistic talents in different
ways that can create art, paints

1097
01:07:25,900 --> 01:07:30,500
or videos or whatever that
inspire people use your talents

1098
01:07:30,500 --> 01:07:34,600
to create that.
Kind of inspiration and then

1099
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:39,300
connect it to like real
programs, real programs that can

1100
01:07:39,300 --> 01:07:44,700
get things done.
So, real quick before we move on

1101
01:07:44,700 --> 01:07:49,100
to some heavy duty Solutions
here in Utah today because I

1102
01:07:49,100 --> 01:07:52,700
want to focus on the local.
What do you think?

1103
01:07:52,700 --> 01:07:56,000
Is the biggest threat that we
face in Utah today from the

1104
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,200
local governments?
Yeah, it is our local

1105
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,600
government.
Quietly implementing Agenda, 21

1106
01:08:03,500 --> 01:08:07,400
having built a shadow government
behind our current system, the

1107
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:11,900
shadow government of regional
entities, So this is the United

1108
01:08:11,900 --> 01:08:15,900
Nations model on how they've
done this all over the world

1109
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:22,000
where they create new quasi
government corporations, that

1110
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,399
act like their governments.
This is where I say they're

1111
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:28,500
using the natural law in Reverse
to take away our freedoms.

1112
01:08:28,899 --> 01:08:33,800
They've created the illusion
that like the Utah League of

1113
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:37,700
cities and towns has a has an
annual meeting.

1114
01:08:37,700 --> 01:08:43,300
They just had it here recently.
And they do, they create draft

1115
01:08:43,300 --> 01:08:46,700
legislation, so they're playing
like they're the government and

1116
01:08:47,500 --> 01:08:49,300
they're connected to the
National League of cities.

1117
01:08:49,300 --> 01:08:53,000
So there's this back-channel of
regional governments and then

1118
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:56,700
our local government is
coordinated with this effort.

1119
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:00,899
That then delivers everything
right into our own backyards

1120
01:09:01,100 --> 01:09:03,300
through City council's through
the planning commission's

1121
01:09:03,300 --> 01:09:09,399
through.
You know, so are the local Power

1122
01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:11,200
Players.
Local conspiracy.

1123
01:09:11,500 --> 01:09:15,000
The clubs that, you know, that
we tucked that you've heard

1124
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:20,800
about in the past They're
they're influencing that these

1125
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:25,500
United Nations ngos and various
Regional governments can govern

1126
01:09:25,500 --> 01:09:28,899
an organizing this way and then
just everything gets rubber

1127
01:09:28,899 --> 01:09:33,399
stamped by our city council's.
How much actually do our city

1128
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:34,899
council's?
Do and all the cities not as

1129
01:09:34,899 --> 01:09:39,300
much as we'd want them to a lot
comes from these Regional

1130
01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:41,600
governments and that is the
agenda 21 model.

1131
01:09:42,700 --> 01:09:44,700
That's you need from what you
see.

1132
01:09:44,700 --> 01:09:46,800
That's the biggest thing we're
facing now.

1133
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,000
I think so.
I think you know, biggest is

1134
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,500
hard to measure, you know
everyone has their favorite

1135
01:09:52,500 --> 01:09:54,600
issue, you know?
And as soon as you see one

1136
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,000
person Wrong by one issue, if
that feels like the biggest

1137
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:00,400
thing for that day, but I think
overall holistically.

1138
01:10:01,100 --> 01:10:06,500
It's the fact that we've lost
our government and who we elect,

1139
01:10:06,500 --> 01:10:08,100
they're not even really running
the show.

1140
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,300
And we just don't have any
influence over what's going on

1141
01:10:12,300 --> 01:10:15,900
now with, with our local
governments.

1142
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:21,200
So you named one organization,
which was that Was a Utah League

1143
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,700
of cities and towns, okay,
what's another one?

1144
01:10:23,900 --> 01:10:26,800
There's the Utah Association of
counties, there's a National

1145
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,600
Association of counties.
There's the Wasatch Front

1146
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:34,500
Regional Council.
There's a there's one up north

1147
01:10:34,500 --> 01:10:36,500
that actually they created a
regional government.

1148
01:10:36,500 --> 01:10:39,900
That spans Southern Idaho in
Northern Utah, right?

1149
01:10:39,900 --> 01:10:42,700
So with with these Regional
strategies they're actually

1150
01:10:42,700 --> 01:10:46,400
trying to erase traditional
borders and create new borders

1151
01:10:47,100 --> 01:10:55,400
and so there was a There was a
western us one the can ivory and

1152
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,800
Mike Noel had a series of
legislation legislative pieces

1153
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,700
over the years that built a
regional government in the

1154
01:11:01,700 --> 01:11:04,400
Western u.s.a. lands compact,
they called it.

1155
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:09,000
And they actually they were
using that quasi-government,

1156
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,800
shadow government type
structure, to take the

1157
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:16,900
unconstitutional Bureau of Land
Management and legalize it under

1158
01:11:16,900 --> 01:11:21,000
state laws under the regional
compact, They created a dlm.

1159
01:11:21,900 --> 01:11:24,700
And so it's a lot of shady
things happens through these

1160
01:11:24,700 --> 01:11:27,800
Regional back channels.
That's nuts.

1161
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:32,400
And see I consider myself fairly
well-informed, you're right, but

1162
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:36,200
how over half of those?
I didn't even know existed to

1163
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,800
know, they were thinking know
what they were doing.

1164
01:11:40,100 --> 01:11:44,200
I think he could probably their
scores of these Regional

1165
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:48,300
entities and Utah.
Some seem very benign know, even

1166
01:11:48,300 --> 01:11:50,900
the unified police.
Is one of them, right?

1167
01:11:50,900 --> 01:11:53,300
Right.
And it's the same principle

1168
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:58,200
removing local jurisdiction and
centralizing it more and then

1169
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:01,300
and they're not accountable in
the same way that our local

1170
01:12:01,300 --> 01:12:04,000
governments are so it's
definitely important to be aware

1171
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,000
of that.
I'm going to give a plug for the

1172
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,100
red pill Expo.
Is it because of what stock on

1173
01:12:10,100 --> 01:12:11,500
this subject that I know will be
there.

1174
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:16,000
In fact, is our latest article.
I defending Utah dot-org.

1175
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:21,800
There's a guy giving a speech.
And so, the red pill Expo is an

1176
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:27,000
event coming in November
November 11th through 13th.

1177
01:12:27,100 --> 01:12:30,200
Is that right, okay?
11th through 13th and it's a

1178
01:12:30,208 --> 01:12:33,100
national tour that travels the
country.

1179
01:12:33,100 --> 01:12:35,900
And so they're doing it in Salt
Lake City, come November.

1180
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:40,000
So we're helping me a part of
that we're going to we're going

1181
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:43,200
to affiliate in a sponsor and
we're going to have our own spot

1182
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:44,500
there.
But there's a speaker.

1183
01:12:44,500 --> 01:12:46,200
There was a lot of great
speakers.

1184
01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:51,100
And this guy's in is Mark her.
He's founded the center for

1185
01:12:51,100 --> 01:12:53,700
self-governance and he's going
to talk about Regional

1186
01:12:53,700 --> 01:12:56,700
government.
And the topic of his speeches,

1187
01:12:57,300 --> 01:12:59,100
The Evil Genius, you've never
heard of.

1188
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:02,600
And so I don't know the full
content of his speech but it's

1189
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:05,100
on this subject.
So Regional government and

1190
01:13:05,100 --> 01:13:07,700
understanding how it relates to
Agenda 21.

1191
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,600
This is the big unknown.
We can vote to our hearts

1192
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:17,000
content.
And do we will never solve The

1193
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:21,700
problems of tyranny if we don't
get this cancer out from behind

1194
01:13:21,700 --> 01:13:24,300
the scenes and make it
irrelevant, and we can do it

1195
01:13:24,300 --> 01:13:27,300
simply by shining the light on
it because then you go to your

1196
01:13:27,300 --> 01:13:30,300
city council and they're saying,
we're passing this new ordinance

1197
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,400
and then you learn, this wasn't
even an idea that came from your

1198
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:36,000
city where to come from.
Well, this consultant from the

1199
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:37,700
league of cities and towns came
in town.

1200
01:13:38,300 --> 01:13:40,600
Well, who's that guy?
We didn't liked him, you know?

1201
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:46,500
And I think that idea can start
to make it not so easy for these

1202
01:13:46,500 --> 01:13:48,200
entities.
These two just govern where they

1203
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,500
have them does defending Utah,
have a list of these

1204
01:13:51,500 --> 01:13:54,700
organizations where people can
go and look and read what

1205
01:13:54,700 --> 01:13:57,100
they're about.
Yeah we have done some

1206
01:13:57,100 --> 01:14:03,300
presentations where we've shown
some big lists of them. if you

1207
01:14:03,300 --> 01:14:09,800
just look for, There's a
website.

1208
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:14,100
I think it's transparency.
Dot Utah, dot-gov or something

1209
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,300
and they show the budgets of all
the state entities.

1210
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,200
I hope I got that you.
Alright, something along those

1211
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:24,900
lines, probably Google the same
thing and and they actually have

1212
01:14:24,900 --> 01:14:28,000
a section.
You can filter by Regional and

1213
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:29,400
they start to list a bunch of
them.

1214
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:37,300
But I mean, just start googling
some of them and then and then

1215
01:14:37,300 --> 01:14:42,800
they'll link to the other ones.
The ones I've mentioned is a

1216
01:14:42,808 --> 01:14:45,800
great place to start, okay.
I think you tell League of

1217
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:47,800
cities and towns.
One of the biggest ones because

1218
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,900
of the way the input control
they influence over the cities

1219
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:56,300
but that's a state level.
There's like They're all over

1220
01:14:56,300 --> 01:14:58,400
the place, right there.
Might be like Three Counties and

1221
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,200
then they, they do a little
thing and and it's sold to

1222
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:06,700
elected officials as a way to
say, hey, you're just a little

1223
01:15:06,700 --> 01:15:09,000
town over here.
You don't have a voice with the

1224
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:11,400
state.
Let's will Lobby for you.

1225
01:15:11,407 --> 01:15:14,400
So, a lot of times, they may
only see it as like a lobbying

1226
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:19,200
organization, and they may not
at first even consider this as

1227
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:23,600
anything, nefarious, or that is
something that's incorrect or

1228
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:28,200
wrong about this, but But the
thing is, you know, the cities

1229
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:31,000
have all the power to defend the
right.

1230
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:34,100
The individual has all the power
to stand for his rights.

1231
01:15:34,500 --> 01:15:38,100
And so the City by extension can
say, hey people in our town,

1232
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:40,500
they have their constitutional
rights and we're not going to

1233
01:15:40,500 --> 01:15:46,100
pass rules that violate their
property rights and So I think

1234
01:15:46,100 --> 01:15:48,900
it's kind of a lie to think the
cities don't have power unless

1235
01:15:48,900 --> 01:15:51,000
you join some lobbying
organization.

1236
01:15:51,300 --> 01:15:54,400
Now, nothing wrong with getting
together with all the mayor's or

1237
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:58,100
all the, you know, city council
members from other areas and

1238
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:01,600
comparing notes, right?
Sure.

1239
01:16:01,700 --> 01:16:05,200
But that's a neutral idea.
You can organize and network

1240
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:07,100
with people, nothing wrong with
that.

1241
01:16:07,300 --> 01:16:12,100
But it just comes down to when
the agenda of the United Nations

1242
01:16:12,100 --> 01:16:16,800
is being pushed back down.
Those channels I got you.

1243
01:16:17,300 --> 01:16:23,000
So like on those bills that will
be brought up at city council or

1244
01:16:23,100 --> 01:16:30,600
County Council or whatever.
Do the or is there a place where

1245
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:34,700
people can read that bill first
and then maybe more importantly

1246
01:16:34,700 --> 01:16:36,700
than that?
Find out who the author is,

1247
01:16:36,700 --> 01:16:39,100
right.
Yeah, it's generally you just

1248
01:16:39,100 --> 01:16:41,800
have to dig, right?
They're not going to tell you,

1249
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:45,200
we got this idea from the league
but when they run for office, a

1250
01:16:45,208 --> 01:16:48,100
lot of times they'll brag about
being, I was on the league of

1251
01:16:48,100 --> 01:16:51,800
cities and towns and I got this
on 13 million dollar grant for

1252
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:54,400
our city.
So a lot of money funnels

1253
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,000
through those organizations as
well.

1254
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,400
So, this is federal money that
right and in the form of these

1255
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:01,800
grants and it makes it look like
you're doing all this good stuff

1256
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,000
for the city, see how you brag
about it.

1257
01:17:04,700 --> 01:17:08,800
But we want to make it unpopular
to brag about this thing's,

1258
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:10,500
right?
First of all, that shouldn't be

1259
01:17:10,500 --> 01:17:12,900
something there.
They're proud of it's like take

1260
01:17:12,900 --> 01:17:18,100
your 13 million dollar, you
know, land preservation, Grant

1261
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:21,500
and and get it out of my city,
you know, and tell me why?

1262
01:17:21,500 --> 01:17:22,800
Tell me how, what you're going
to do, too?

1263
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,700
Actually, defend the rights of
the people of the city.

1264
01:17:25,700 --> 01:17:28,300
Instead, these are the kinds of
things that we should be

1265
01:17:28,300 --> 01:17:33,400
expecting and learning how to
call them out on those kinds of

1266
01:17:33,407 --> 01:17:37,800
things.
Yeah, so let me see if I can

1267
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:41,200
summarize this a little bit
about the problem we have, and

1268
01:17:41,500 --> 01:17:46,600
it's in Utah, but I'm guessing
every other state in the country

1269
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:51,700
has the same sort of setup.
Every country in the world, you

1270
01:17:51,700 --> 01:17:55,000
have this problem.
You have these quasi government

1271
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:56,500
organizations.
Who is pro?

1272
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,300
Who's getting funded from
leftist groups?

1273
01:17:59,900 --> 01:18:02,600
Well, this isn't so much a left
right thing.

1274
01:18:02,700 --> 01:18:08,200
No, no, this is a, this is a un
boring elitist, bureaucracy

1275
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:10,500
thing.
Okay, when I say left, I mean,

1276
01:18:10,500 --> 01:18:18,700
anyone folks who are in favor of
bigger governance, um, certainly

1277
01:18:18,700 --> 01:18:22,300
the people who are the top,
okay, these are the globalists.

1278
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,600
Okay, so, so I think this very
much steps out of the left-right

1279
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:28,200
Paradigm, which we try to stay
out of any ways to focus on

1280
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,400
principles, but you can't think
of it as a.

1281
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:34,300
I don't don't think you can
think of it that way.

1282
01:18:34,300 --> 01:18:38,000
There are conservative
representatives in there and

1283
01:18:38,100 --> 01:18:41,200
people who might have no clue,
you know, you got elected to

1284
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,200
office as a mayor.
You might not even know the

1285
01:18:43,208 --> 01:18:44,800
league of cities and towns
exists.

1286
01:18:45,100 --> 01:18:47,000
Someone comes the city manager
comes to you.

1287
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:50,300
And says, hey, here's a Video.
Maybe they give you a log into a

1288
01:18:50,300 --> 01:18:52,300
website.
I don't know exactly how the

1289
01:18:52,308 --> 01:18:54,900
details play out, but they have
training videos of

1290
01:18:54,900 --> 01:18:59,300
congratulations.
You just got elected to being a

1291
01:18:59,300 --> 01:19:01,700
mayor, let us give you some
tips.

1292
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:06,500
And, and one of these videos
actually made fun, they try to

1293
01:19:06,500 --> 01:19:09,400
immunize you against the people
in the city that are pushing

1294
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,700
back against tyranny, right?
They call them cave.

1295
01:19:12,700 --> 01:19:15,500
People citizens against
virtually everything.

1296
01:19:15,500 --> 01:19:17,800
So they're giving you a slur to
make fun of concerns.

1297
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,900
Citizens right out the gate and
then, you know, so I imagine

1298
01:19:20,900 --> 01:19:23,300
many of them that they have no
clue, maybe they are for limited

1299
01:19:23,300 --> 01:19:25,200
government, they don't care,
maybe they don't even know how

1300
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,100
government works.
They just won the popularity

1301
01:19:27,100 --> 01:19:32,400
contest because they're there
buddy, you know, from you know,

1302
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,000
one of these Insider clubs told
them, hey, you should run, you

1303
01:19:35,008 --> 01:19:38,500
know, like I think it's a big
mixture of people for sure.

1304
01:19:39,700 --> 01:19:43,600
And but definitely some of them
are the firm Believers in big

1305
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,200
government.
But not, I wouldn't say in the,

1306
01:19:46,500 --> 01:19:50,100
the Democratic way of gosh, I
from bottom of my heart, we need

1307
01:19:50,100 --> 01:19:52,800
big government.
I think is a lot more into

1308
01:19:52,900 --> 01:19:58,600
either ignorance or just elitism
of once you start getting into

1309
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,100
the real behind the scenes, like
okay?

1310
01:20:00,900 --> 01:20:04,500
So we got these
quasi-governmental organizations

1311
01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:11,900
that can effectively Institute
policy that limits our free.

1312
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:14,000
Correct?
Okay.

1313
01:20:14,900 --> 01:20:16,500
Now I want to talk about
Solutions.

1314
01:20:16,500 --> 01:20:18,500
Yeah.
How do we fix it?

1315
01:20:18,900 --> 01:20:22,700
Okay, well, I think we've been
bouncing in and out of that now,

1316
01:20:22,700 --> 01:20:25,500
we have.
Yeah, yes, we had educate.

1317
01:20:25,500 --> 01:20:32,500
We had how to maybe start
thinking about Community

1318
01:20:32,500 --> 01:20:33,900
organization.
All right.

1319
01:20:33,900 --> 01:20:37,300
What else is there?
You know, those are the key

1320
01:20:37,300 --> 01:20:43,000
principles.
You know, we have to, we are the

1321
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:46,200
ones that choose if we keep our
Republic, right?

1322
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:51,000
So, so I think all I can really
do is expand on those ideas.

1323
01:20:51,100 --> 01:20:54,600
That's great, right?
Yes, we absolutely have to be

1324
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:56,700
willing to be organized.
Evils organized.

1325
01:20:56,700 --> 01:20:59,700
Good must be organized as well.
That's one of the reasons

1326
01:20:59,700 --> 01:21:02,300
defendant Utah exists is to help
organize people.

1327
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:09,000
So as people come sign up for
defending Utah, and come to our

1328
01:21:09,100 --> 01:21:14,300
weekly trainings, You know we
talk about these things and as

1329
01:21:14,300 --> 01:21:19,200
an outgrowth of Defending Utah,
we've created other tools to try

1330
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:22,600
to explore organizing and
committees and that's something

1331
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:26,000
I'll that's in my presentation
as well.

1332
01:21:27,700 --> 01:21:32,000
So it's important that we
educate ourselves first.

1333
01:21:33,300 --> 01:21:37,300
Stand in our family's first like
you said and then when we're,

1334
01:21:37,300 --> 01:21:42,100
when we are strong in our own
knowledge than organized with

1335
01:21:42,100 --> 01:21:46,000
our neighbors and and maybe
that's not a linear thing.

1336
01:21:46,100 --> 01:21:48,600
Maybe we need to organize
together, even as we're

1337
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:53,600
learning, but there's definitely
an importance of the kind of

1338
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:57,200
action.
You take needs to be after you

1339
01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:00,100
have the right education, right?
You can't just go to a

1340
01:22:00,100 --> 01:22:08,300
legislator.
Not knowing, you know, the very

1341
01:22:08,300 --> 01:22:11,100
basics of maybe why he's there
and what your purpose is, in

1342
01:22:11,100 --> 01:22:15,600
that meeting, right?
So let's talk about the

1343
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:21,300
education thing again, right?
Because there's a couple of, I

1344
01:22:21,300 --> 01:22:27,300
think natural barriers that
exist to that, One is guys, like

1345
01:22:27,300 --> 01:22:32,200
yourself, are are an aberration,
they're not the norm, right guys

1346
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:36,100
who are willing to go down that
rabbit hole and really look at

1347
01:22:36,100 --> 01:22:40,900
what's going on?
How do you get someone to do

1348
01:22:40,900 --> 01:22:44,300
that?
How do you get them to care

1349
01:22:44,300 --> 01:22:48,600
enough to want to spend the time
necessary to be educated?

1350
01:22:48,700 --> 01:22:53,500
Now, I think the purpose of
those who choose to lead and

1351
01:22:53,500 --> 01:22:57,000
spend their time, Hopefully will
be to help provide the

1352
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:01,200
organization and then those who
don't have as much time or maybe

1353
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:06,700
you don't know where to put
their time, you can L can help,

1354
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:12,600
you know, provide opportunities
for those who are busy with

1355
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:16,300
their lives, right?
So everyone has different

1356
01:23:16,300 --> 01:23:18,300
talents.
You're going to fill different

1357
01:23:18,300 --> 01:23:21,900
pieces of the puzzle right eye?
And I think that's okay.

1358
01:23:23,900 --> 01:23:29,500
I just think it grows, you know,
one person at a time and then

1359
01:23:29,500 --> 01:23:33,300
let's do it intentionally.
We've had a program at defending

1360
01:23:33,300 --> 01:23:37,700
Utah for years where we, where
we do it by intention where we

1361
01:23:37,700 --> 01:23:43,500
think about, who are 10 people
that That are half interested

1362
01:23:43,500 --> 01:23:45,600
and probably I'll share some
material with.

1363
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:50,600
And so doing it by intention in
an organized way.

1364
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:56,500
I think this key John birchers I
had amazing success in their

1365
01:23:56,500 --> 01:24:00,400
Heyday of core.
I of that for sure and so I

1366
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:03,000
think we can replicate that for
sure.

1367
01:24:03,500 --> 01:24:06,800
And what does what does
organizing look like for Liberty

1368
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:11,800
minded people because even In
this idea of organizing, its

1369
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:16,900
kind of a left idea, right?
I mean that because because

1370
01:24:17,300 --> 01:24:19,500
Liberty mind you looking the
founders first, how they

1371
01:24:19,500 --> 01:24:22,000
organized, right?
Well nine, the Committees of

1372
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,700
safety is a.
In fact the left would have

1373
01:24:24,700 --> 01:24:29,000
taken it from them and
counterfeited it the left.

1374
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,600
I really don't like the
left-right terms, right?

1375
01:24:32,700 --> 01:24:35,900
So I'm picking up on the lingo
as you're saying it but the

1376
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:39,800
Communists communism.
No, they copy.

1377
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:47,100
The that organizing effort.
So the founders organized My

1378
01:24:47,100 --> 01:24:50,300
presentation goes into this a
lot so I'm trying to figure out

1379
01:24:50,500 --> 01:24:54,400
how to how to touch and I feel
like a lot of it is it's

1380
01:24:54,400 --> 01:25:01,600
important to get the whole
context but in in 2000 in 2020.

1381
01:25:03,100 --> 01:25:06,700
Okay, I had as a website you can
look up.

1382
01:25:06,700 --> 01:25:09,500
Even, I don't know if you can
look on the web as we begin

1383
01:25:09,500 --> 01:25:13,100
this.
Not, we took some of the

1384
01:25:13,100 --> 01:25:17,100
patterns that we saw the
founding fathers and we tried to

1385
01:25:17,100 --> 01:25:21,200
start implementing.
This idea of committees, a

1386
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:24,800
Committees of safety, the idea
that a community Gets behind

1387
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:28,900
somebody talking about the
flower shop and and Sandy, you

1388
01:25:28,900 --> 01:25:34,800
know, and so we got people
together and and declared this

1389
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:39,800
group here is the the Sandy City
Committee of safety and know

1390
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:42,700
you.
You can create some formalities

1391
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:50,900
so that the community takes you
seriously and then This is what

1392
01:25:50,900 --> 01:25:55,800
the founders did when they
started declaring their truth of

1393
01:25:56,500 --> 01:26:00,000
declaring.
You know, the crimes of the king

1394
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:05,200
of of publishing their own
newspapers, and the founders

1395
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:08,500
were big on that.
Just any action, they took the

1396
01:26:08,500 --> 01:26:11,300
Committees of safety said, you
know, we need to dump the tea,

1397
01:26:11,300 --> 01:26:14,500
from the East India, Trading
Company.

1398
01:26:14,500 --> 01:26:19,200
Because because of the collusion
and the the crimes and there.

1399
01:26:19,300 --> 01:26:22,900
Including with the King and and
taking away our rights.

1400
01:26:23,300 --> 01:26:30,200
So the committee's being
educated and principled, Then

1401
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:36,400
get behind the community.
When, when there's So it's hard

1402
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:38,600
for me to narrow it down without
getting into, trying to avoid

1403
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:41,000
the examples and trying to be
more principled here.

1404
01:26:41,500 --> 01:26:48,000
But the They had Committees of
Correspondence, they had

1405
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:54,700
Committees of safety, they had
Committees of they had a few

1406
01:26:54,700 --> 01:26:56,300
other different names.
Okay?

1407
01:26:56,300 --> 01:27:00,600
So so these are like functions
of a fledgling.

1408
01:27:01,500 --> 01:27:04,600
The seeds of the new government
was in there.

1409
01:27:05,100 --> 01:27:08,900
Okay?
The proper role of government is

1410
01:27:08,900 --> 01:27:11,600
to defend your rights.
Yeah.

1411
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:14,000
Yep.
Applique if the government is

1412
01:27:14,300 --> 01:27:17,300
stealing Rights.
But people are organizing.

1413
01:27:17,300 --> 01:27:21,100
And as a community, you're now
actually defending rights of the

1414
01:27:21,100 --> 01:27:22,400
people.
Okay.

1415
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:25,800
You are now taking the role of
the proper role of government,

1416
01:27:26,100 --> 01:27:27,700
which is what the founders
intended.

1417
01:27:27,700 --> 01:27:29,900
When you assemble, that's what
they did.

1418
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:32,000
They said the Kings not
defending our rights.

1419
01:27:32,100 --> 01:27:36,500
We're going to defend our rights
and so, so it's really about

1420
01:27:36,500 --> 01:27:41,100
this.
The roles of these committees at

1421
01:27:41,100 --> 01:27:44,300
first is remind the government
of what their job is.

1422
01:27:44,300 --> 01:27:47,200
If you remember em and Monday he
went to the sheriff.

1423
01:27:47,300 --> 01:27:52,400
In Harney County and said, hey,
you're violating the rights of

1424
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:57,400
the ranchers and we're appealing
to you as a representative to

1425
01:27:57,400 --> 01:28:00,500
defend their rights.
If you don't, I'm going to bring

1426
01:28:00,500 --> 01:28:04,300
100 people for if you said 1,000
people into your county and will

1427
01:28:04,300 --> 01:28:09,200
defend them for you and not
saying Has to do that.

1428
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:19,800
But but it's, but it's There are
ways there are ways to you start

1429
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:23,600
with informing, like, think of
the traditional things we do

1430
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:28,700
today is just see your
legislator asking them to do the

1431
01:28:28,700 --> 01:28:32,500
right thing instead of now,
you're now you're going number,

1432
01:28:32,500 --> 01:28:36,000
20, 20 people went to the homes
of who is violating their

1433
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:38,000
rights, right you remember that?
Yep.

1434
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:41,900
Okay because government was a
was not responsive.

1435
01:28:42,500 --> 01:28:47,800
So people organized together,
They politely delivered and

1436
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:51,500
notes to what was her face?
The state entity ologist.

1437
01:28:51,500 --> 01:28:54,600
Now, Angela done, went to her
home.

1438
01:28:55,200 --> 01:29:00,000
Very politely, delivered a
letter saying, show us the

1439
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:03,100
numbers, you know, pointing out
these different things and and

1440
01:29:03,300 --> 01:29:04,800
you're the one shutting down
businesses.

1441
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:09,900
You're hurting us, you're the
one that's providing this data,

1442
01:29:09,900 --> 01:29:12,300
that's the excuse, for shutting
down businesses.

1443
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:19,400
And so going to their home, You
saw her on TV the next day like

1444
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:22,900
shaking, like no one did
anything to threaten her but now

1445
01:29:22,900 --> 01:29:26,800
it's like they're, they're
worried that gosh, they know

1446
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:30,000
where we live, you know, and I
Governor Cox build a fence

1447
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:33,600
around his house, you know, for
the same situation and then or

1448
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,500
impasse tried to pass an
ordinance saying is against the

1449
01:29:36,500 --> 01:29:41,100
law to stand on the public
sidewalk and like they had this

1450
01:29:41,100 --> 01:29:44,600
fear because it was just the
people were organizing.

1451
01:29:45,500 --> 01:29:49,200
So the best way to explain this,
there's an article on our

1452
01:29:49,208 --> 01:29:54,200
website that really tells the
story, probably better than I am

1453
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:58,800
telling now where we talk about
what I call termination day and

1454
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:02,300
it tells the build-up of the
people organizing and committees

1455
01:30:02,300 --> 01:30:06,100
around the state.
So maybe I'll leave that for the

1456
01:30:06,100 --> 01:30:09,800
listeners.
Go look up our article and it

1457
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:12,700
talks about there's the website
I was mentioning was Utah

1458
01:30:12,700 --> 01:30:17,200
committee that we us and it Was
as a state website that talks

1459
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:23,100
about Committees of safety.
And the article goes into how

1460
01:30:23,100 --> 01:30:28,000
that was used during 2020.
So are you looking to

1461
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:31,400
re-establish these committees
then because you named off a

1462
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:35,000
bunch of them right there was
the Committee of Correspondence,

1463
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:39,100
the committee of safety.
What were some of the other

1464
01:30:39,100 --> 01:30:42,900
ones?
You can use of inspection was

1465
01:30:42,900 --> 01:30:46,200
like another one, it's not so
much that.

1466
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:48,100
Hey, I want to establish these
committees.

1467
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,900
It's the people need to
understand the principle of the

1468
01:30:51,900 --> 01:30:56,000
committee's and then everyone
has to be smart enough to know

1469
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:57,500
how to organize them on their
own.

1470
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:00,000
I think that that's what's most
important.

1471
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:04,900
So, a lot of the programs we
did, our just demonstrating the

1472
01:31:04,900 --> 01:31:08,700
principle and showing the
positive effects in the results,

1473
01:31:08,700 --> 01:31:11,900
of the things that we've done.
So, I'll just speak for me.

1474
01:31:11,900 --> 01:31:15,800
The idea of going out and
starting one of these committees

1475
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:18,600
seems a bit intimidating, right?
Because there's no one to Show

1476
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:21,800
Me The Way Forward on that.
We've got a manual.

1477
01:31:22,100 --> 01:31:24,200
You do have a manual.
That's where I was going.

1478
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:27,900
There is something there where
someone can go and look at and

1479
01:31:27,900 --> 01:31:30,400
and cookbook that.
Yeah, it's just it's a big

1480
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:34,000
subject so that's why I'm trying
to stay General right.

1481
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:39,200
But but yeah, it's there.
And so the presentation.

1482
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:42,200
You know what?
I can do that more and and it's

1483
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:45,500
not like everybody needs to.
Again, they don't, you have to

1484
01:31:45,500 --> 01:31:50,900
dedicate your life to it.
But but you as a citizen, have a

1485
01:31:50,900 --> 01:31:54,700
right to gather with your
neighbor and go tell your city

1486
01:31:54,700 --> 01:31:58,300
council.
Hey stop littering your

1487
01:31:58,300 --> 01:32:02,000
pointless.
You know, my grass is Too Tall

1488
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:07,000
ordinance all over our lawn and
and you have a right as a whole

1489
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:10,000
neighborhood this you know this
whole street can can gather

1490
01:32:10,100 --> 01:32:13,100
Either you have the right to it
to peaceably assemble, and

1491
01:32:13,100 --> 01:32:16,100
petition.
For redress of grievances, you

1492
01:32:16,100 --> 01:32:18,300
don't have to go to everybody's
home, you know.

1493
01:32:18,300 --> 01:32:22,200
But but in 2020 people did
because people's businesses are

1494
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:24,700
getting shut down and offices
are closed.

1495
01:32:24,700 --> 01:32:27,500
And how do you get redress
right?

1496
01:32:27,700 --> 01:32:31,000
It's it was a it was a natural.
I am and Bundy went to the home

1497
01:32:31,500 --> 01:32:34,500
of the police officer that
arrested that lady in the park.

1498
01:32:35,500 --> 01:32:39,200
To Sarah, Brady.
Yeah, to Simply deliver you have

1499
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:42,800
a right to face cam.
This is a constitutional right

1500
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:46,600
to petition for redress who's
the person that's causing your

1501
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:49,800
grievance.
You're allowed to communicate to

1502
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:51,800
them.
It's such a simple concept,

1503
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:54,800
really.
But the effectiveness of going

1504
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:57,200
to that person is personally
responsible.

1505
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:00,600
Even when you're just being
polite, you're not, you don't

1506
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:03,200
have to yell at them, you just
deliver them a notice and you

1507
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:06,400
say, oh, now they look you in
the eye now they you know, the

1508
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:10,500
and they can see you and they
know your real person in a very

1509
01:33:10,500 --> 01:33:12,600
different way.
There's a human connection,

1510
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:16,700
they're not just hiding behind a
desk and or hiding behind five

1511
01:33:16,700 --> 01:33:21,100
layers of bureaucracy. you know,
something changes its that's why

1512
01:33:21,100 --> 01:33:23,500
the founders talked about when
government fears the people

1513
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:28,300
Right.
So so yeah I believe the

1514
01:33:28,300 --> 01:33:33,200
solutions are in the principle
of the committee's.

1515
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:38,200
The founders showed us the way
and this is a new deep dive for

1516
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:44,100
a lot of people and we have a
lot of information on this to to

1517
01:33:44,100 --> 01:33:48,200
explain this and to teach this.
And and it's but it's comes

1518
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:53,500
after a responsible merging of
being educated So that's kind of

1519
01:33:53,500 --> 01:33:57,300
the bottom line when I guess.
Let me ask you this.

1520
01:33:57,300 --> 01:34:08,300
Can you can you successfully do
these things without being on

1521
01:34:08,300 --> 01:34:18,800
God's side first?
so, My first thought is if

1522
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:21,800
you're standing for Liberty, you
are on God's side.

1523
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:25,800
If you're sacrificing your time,
even if a preacher is never

1524
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:28,800
preached to you, but you and
intuitively acknowledge, people

1525
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:32,900
have the right, you know, to not
live under tyranny and you're

1526
01:34:32,900 --> 01:34:37,200
willing to sacrifice your time
or safety for someone else.

1527
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:42,500
If you are on God's side,
Liberty is the spirit of the

1528
01:34:42,508 --> 01:34:44,100
spirit of Liberty is the spirit
of Christ.

1529
01:34:44,700 --> 01:34:47,700
So I would say that first but so
then depends on where you want

1530
01:34:47,700 --> 01:34:52,200
to go from there.
So what I'm thinking is in and

1531
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:55,200
look, your way more educated on
this stuff than I am, but I'm

1532
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:58,300
thinking of George Whitefield
and it's something I thought

1533
01:34:58,300 --> 01:35:00,300
about a lot.
You know, who he is, right?

1534
01:35:00,300 --> 01:35:01,700
Remind me.
He's talking about.

1535
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:06,300
So with the old was a preacher
from the church of England,

1536
01:35:06,300 --> 01:35:09,000
okay?
And this is before the

1537
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:11,900
Revolution, this is about 25
years or so.

1538
01:35:11,900 --> 01:35:14,200
Before the Revolution, I may
have the timing wrong.

1539
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:17,600
I know he was around when the
founders were young.

1540
01:35:19,100 --> 01:35:24,500
Whitfield goes and he comes up
with this crazy idea that you

1541
01:35:24,500 --> 01:35:30,200
don't need a priest.
To have to go through to have

1542
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:34,700
access to God.
You follow that out to its

1543
01:35:34,700 --> 01:35:37,700
logical conclusion.
It gets rid of the divine right

1544
01:35:37,700 --> 01:35:40,900
of kings, right?
If you follow it out to its

1545
01:35:40,900 --> 01:35:44,800
logical conclusion, the Church
of England recognize this.

1546
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:47,400
Well, rather than throw them in
jail or anything like that,

1547
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:49,200
they're like shit them to the
new world.

1548
01:35:50,500 --> 01:35:53,600
You can't do any damage over
there so they ship them to the

1549
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:58,200
new world and Franklin talks
about seen and Franklin, you

1550
01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:02,000
know, he has almost this
Rockstar Persona that he's

1551
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:06,400
developed in the New World.
And Franklin talks about.

1552
01:36:06,500 --> 01:36:10,600
He's gonna go see Whitefield
preach, but he's determined.

1553
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,300
He is not getting any money out
of Franklin.

1554
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:16,900
Franklin said, I went and heard
him preach.

1555
01:36:16,900 --> 01:36:21,100
And by the first hour I give him
all my copper by the second

1556
01:36:21,100 --> 01:36:23,900
tower.
I given him all my silver and by

1557
01:36:23,900 --> 01:36:26,600
the end of the third hour, I
give him almost all my goal.

1558
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:33,700
Because he's talking about this
idea that you don't need a

1559
01:36:33,700 --> 01:36:36,600
priest above you to access got,
you can go right to God

1560
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:38,400
yourself.
You have that, right?

1561
01:36:39,100 --> 01:36:43,000
And it's out of that that he
begins to really lay the

1562
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:49,200
foundations of the Revolution so
you can't really have Washington

1563
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:55,200
unless you get Whitfield first.
My question is, is it still the

1564
01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:59,000
same today?
Do we have to recognize that our

1565
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:04,600
rights first come from God or
Nature's God before we can

1566
01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:08,500
really set out to do?
What it is?

1567
01:37:08,500 --> 01:37:11,600
We need, that's definitely a
part of the education, you know,

1568
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:15,000
right?
If Government Can Grant your

1569
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:18,000
rights, they can take it away.
If God grants your rights

1570
01:37:18,100 --> 01:37:21,200
government, can't take away a
contract.

1571
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:23,100
You have with God, right?
That heat.

1572
01:37:23,300 --> 01:37:26,300
Is part of your right as a
natural person.

1573
01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:32,000
Not so but what came to my mind
is you said that I did a

1574
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:34,900
presentation on the black robe
regiment the time, don't they

1575
01:37:34,900 --> 01:37:38,300
are ya talked about the churches
and how they led the way.

1576
01:37:38,300 --> 01:37:43,700
And there was no, There would
have been no Revolution.

1577
01:37:43,700 --> 01:37:48,000
And by that, I mean the
revolution in everyone's hearts

1578
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:53,200
and Minds without the preachers
of that day and so definitely

1579
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:57,500
these ideas come from God.
They come from, as I said, the

1580
01:37:57,500 --> 01:37:59,500
spirit of Liberty is the spirit
of Christ.

1581
01:38:01,700 --> 01:38:06,900
If you acknowledge that
outwardly, then you have a lot

1582
01:38:06,900 --> 01:38:09,500
more.
It's a lot more powerful

1583
01:38:09,500 --> 01:38:12,300
position to stand on and too.
Confident in.

1584
01:38:14,300 --> 01:38:17,800
I welcome anybody, though.
Stands for Liberty who probably

1585
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:22,100
feels the promptings of that
Spirit even if they haven't had

1586
01:38:22,100 --> 01:38:23,500
it, spelled out to them.
Sure.

1587
01:38:23,500 --> 01:38:25,800
What it is that they're feeling
sure, right?

1588
01:38:25,900 --> 01:38:30,100
But it, but the church is ought
to be leading the way.

1589
01:38:30,900 --> 01:38:37,600
Absolutely.
And so, I do highly recommend, I

1590
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:40,900
gave a 3 hour presentation on
the history of the churches and

1591
01:38:40,900 --> 01:38:43,600
the kind of churches today and
how the global conspiracy Got a

1592
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:49,300
head of trying to neutralize the
churches before all this stuff

1593
01:38:49,300 --> 01:38:53,900
happened.
And so the lead role they could

1594
01:38:53,900 --> 01:38:59,100
play would have such an impact.
If they were all standing the

1595
01:38:59,100 --> 01:39:01,700
way they did, in the founding of
our country, they were doing

1596
01:39:01,700 --> 01:39:04,000
that today.
If all the pulpits in Utah, were

1597
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:07,800
speaking the same scriptures
that they were speaking back,

1598
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:11,800
then, there would have been no,
nothing would have happened in

1599
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:14,600
2020, it was Game over.
Yeah, there would have been

1600
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:17,100
nothing.
It would have been like, oh

1601
01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:20,200
yeah, the pain demek never came
here.

1602
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:24,200
Like all the fake pandemic never
came to Utah, why were people

1603
01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:26,900
didn't believe in it.
People said it, government

1604
01:39:26,900 --> 01:39:29,400
didn't have a right to do that
here, right?

1605
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:34,300
Yeah, excuse me.
Part of the other reason I asked

1606
01:39:34,300 --> 01:39:43,100
that. is I feel like, If we go,
if we go down this road we're

1607
01:39:43,100 --> 01:39:47,100
not anchored the truth real
nasty things can happen and

1608
01:39:47,100 --> 01:39:48,800
history.
Bears that out right.

1609
01:39:48,900 --> 01:39:51,900
Let's look at the American
Revolution versus the French

1610
01:39:51,900 --> 01:39:55,500
Revolution.
The American Revolution, they

1611
01:39:55,500 --> 01:39:59,600
get rid of the king.
They end up going to.

1612
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:04,400
In the 1791, they have a
constitutional convention.

1613
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:08,600
It's, I should say, 1791, that's
when it was all ratified, but

1614
01:40:08,900 --> 01:40:12,500
the Constitutional Convention
and it gets, we're done.

1615
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:19,800
We're done now, if you look at
the French Revolution and and

1616
01:40:20,500 --> 01:40:24,500
Thomas Paine fell hard for this
despite Washington warning him.

1617
01:40:25,700 --> 01:40:27,800
Because he said this isn't the
same thing.

1618
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:34,200
But you go to that Revolution
and they the Crowds Are are

1619
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:39,300
desecrating, holy places, holy
sites, and it ends with

1620
01:40:39,300 --> 01:40:44,700
Napoleon.
My fear is it was an aluminous

1621
01:40:45,100 --> 01:40:50,200
Revolution, right?
But the masses as they always

1622
01:40:50,200 --> 01:40:53,000
are in that thing are the useful
idiots, right?

1623
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:55,800
Correct.
And so I worry now that we have

1624
01:40:55,800 --> 01:41:00,200
a nation whose not or Nation
even with in Utah.

1625
01:41:00,200 --> 01:41:06,300
Now who's not grounded enough in
those sacred principles, right?

1626
01:41:06,500 --> 01:41:12,200
Godly principles that we could
have a successful outcome and

1627
01:41:12,200 --> 01:41:15,700
that's why I think the god
aspect of this is so important

1628
01:41:15,700 --> 01:41:20,800
to me because without it, I feel
like it's a horror show waiting

1629
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:22,300
to happen.
Does that make sense?

1630
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:29,500
Just don't think so big.
Alright, if you any any Man can

1631
01:41:29,500 --> 01:41:33,900
lead his family, right?
Most maybe those exceptions but

1632
01:41:33,900 --> 01:41:37,800
generally, right, you're right,
Sammy start in your family and

1633
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:42,300
you think small, you can have a
successful revolution of the

1634
01:41:42,300 --> 01:41:46,500
Mind, revolution of your culture
in a very small area.

1635
01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:51,000
It starts small, your group of
friends, your, you know, your

1636
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:57,300
circle of influence, and you
have succeeded, if you succeeded

1637
01:41:57,300 --> 01:42:01,100
just speaking.
To those around you, you have a

1638
01:42:01,108 --> 01:42:04,700
small group, maybe just five
people in your neighborhood.

1639
01:42:04,700 --> 01:42:09,700
Maybe, you know, maybe a
community of 20 families, that's

1640
01:42:09,700 --> 01:42:11,000
us.
That's success.

1641
01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:15,200
And then you keep that going and
you perpetuate that culture.

1642
01:42:15,300 --> 01:42:20,400
It's okay if it's small but then
that's how it grows butt butt

1643
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:23,000
lift where you stand and build
something solid Right?

1644
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:29,100
Where You Are.
And the big problem, you know,

1645
01:42:29,100 --> 01:42:34,000
that gets solved as you have
many, small groups, creating a

1646
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:38,600
solid foundation, and then those
grow over time, I think it

1647
01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:40,700
becomes natural over time after
that.

1648
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:44,600
And then sure it when people, if
you've got a totally forced

1649
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:48,800
Revolution, like all the black
lives matter riots in 2020.

1650
01:42:49,100 --> 01:42:54,300
Totally, you know, top down, you
know, right, fund it, you know,

1651
01:42:55,300 --> 01:42:59,100
none of those kids are going to
walk away from those riots and

1652
01:42:59,100 --> 01:43:02,800
start saying, here's how we
govern our community and

1653
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:08,300
protects everyone from You know,
right whatever, right?

1654
01:43:08,300 --> 01:43:11,200
It's totally artificial.
And, and who's in charge, is

1655
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:15,700
already been planned.
So, but but, you know, in the

1656
01:43:15,700 --> 01:43:20,600
same breath, I think it's
largely to blame on the

1657
01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:22,600
Communist leaders in those
movements.

1658
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:26,500
Whereas, like you said, they're
mostly useful idiots that point.

1659
01:43:26,500 --> 01:43:31,000
So we can be the salt of the
earth by creating these small

1660
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:32,800
groups.
It's the spirit of Christ, the

1661
01:43:32,808 --> 01:43:35,200
spirit of Liberty, we are the
salt of the earth.

1662
01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:41,100
We create these small patches of
Truth and understanding and it

1663
01:43:41,100 --> 01:43:45,800
just grows naturally when it's
when it's real and it's

1664
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:48,500
intentional.
Okay, that's good.

1665
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:56,000
What gives you hope because you
see a lot of the dark stuff that

1666
01:43:56,400 --> 01:43:59,500
is being perpetrated.
Would give you hope at night.

1667
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:11,900
Yeah, sometimes it's hard to
feel it and She gives me hope.

1668
01:44:12,300 --> 01:44:17,500
Okay, that, you know, like I
believe in the goodness of

1669
01:44:17,500 --> 01:44:22,900
people, you know, you can look
and say the world is full of for

1670
01:44:22,900 --> 01:44:24,400
those.
On the podcast, I pointed at my

1671
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:29,900
wife, I said, she gives me hope.
Right, but, but like, I see

1672
01:44:29,900 --> 01:44:35,900
goodness in my wife, I see
goodness in People still write

1673
01:44:35,900 --> 01:44:39,400
when, when you look at the world
through the lens of social media

1674
01:44:39,400 --> 01:44:44,000
and TV and the News, you think
you can very easily fall to look

1675
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:46,500
how dumb everybody is.
Nobody gets it.

1676
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:52,400
Everybody's you know, lost and
what when you still look someone

1677
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:56,500
in the eye one-on-one and you
talk with people and you hear

1678
01:44:56,800 --> 01:45:01,300
that their life story and even
if they're just totally

1679
01:45:01,300 --> 01:45:05,800
different from you, And you see
goodness in people, I think most

1680
01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:10,900
people are capable of Liberty,
and they just need to hear it in

1681
01:45:10,900 --> 01:45:13,400
there.
They need to hear it in the way

1682
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:15,100
that makes sense to them from
the background.

1683
01:45:15,100 --> 01:45:20,900
They come from right?
And so I do boy when I'm just

1684
01:45:20,900 --> 01:45:27,200
disappointed with people as a
whole I just have to, you know,

1685
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:33,000
I haven't an interaction with
good friend again or, you know,

1686
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:38,000
a new stranger.
It renews hope this the spirit

1687
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:43,000
of Christ is The Light of
Christ, right is within us all

1688
01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:44,700
still.
I believe it's still there.

1689
01:45:45,200 --> 01:45:48,800
And I think we just have to
inspire people in this world and

1690
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:52,000
have to get better at that.
We have to stop relying on other

1691
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:54,200
people.
We have to be willing to live

1692
01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:56,600
free and nullify and our
personal lives.

1693
01:45:57,100 --> 01:46:00,400
We have to learn how to nullify
as a community, and create that

1694
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:04,900
inspiration for others.
And it just takes time, it takes

1695
01:46:04,900 --> 01:46:11,200
time and persistence and You
know we fall we pick ourselves

1696
01:46:11,200 --> 01:46:17,500
up again and attitude.
Yeah, so And I guess that's what

1697
01:46:17,500 --> 01:46:19,400
I have to say.
You know, there's two things

1698
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:22,000
that gives me hope that we're
going to find our way out of

1699
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:30,600
this one is The story of
Washington right before they're

1700
01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:34,200
about to sign the Declaration
and have been divorced, rephrase

1701
01:46:34,200 --> 01:46:38,100
that right before they're about
to vote on the new Constitution.

1702
01:46:39,200 --> 01:46:43,500
And he said, gentlemen, we've
done the best we can essentially

1703
01:46:44,700 --> 01:46:46,500
it's now in God's hands.
Yeah.

1704
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:50,500
And let us raise a standard to
which the wise and Noble can

1705
01:46:50,500 --> 01:46:58,000
repair and they go forward.
The other one is a it's between

1706
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:03,100
Jefferson and Adams and Adams
laments to Jefferson the letter

1707
01:47:03,900 --> 01:47:08,000
and says we messed up, we messed
up.

1708
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:12,900
We should put more Deuteronomy
into the constitution in

1709
01:47:12,900 --> 01:47:15,200
Jefferson writes back and says
it's okay.

1710
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:18,400
They'll be another generation
somewhere.

1711
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:20,900
That'll see what we were trying
to do, and they'll get it,

1712
01:47:20,900 --> 01:47:24,900
right?
And and so that's what gives me.

1713
01:47:24,900 --> 01:47:29,300
Hope that Liberty won't be lost,
right?

1714
01:47:29,300 --> 01:47:33,200
Is that somehow those men Who
were?

1715
01:47:35,300 --> 01:47:39,900
Absolute Towers.
Of men, right?

1716
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:46,200
Had enough faith in the
succeeding Generations, that it

1717
01:47:46,200 --> 01:47:52,000
will get sorted, you'll get
fixed. yeah, I believe that, I

1718
01:47:52,000 --> 01:48:01,500
believe I believe the spirit of
Liberty is within The people of

1719
01:48:01,500 --> 01:48:07,700
the world as a whole and need to
be leaders and we just need to

1720
01:48:07,700 --> 01:48:10,600
inspire it out of people.
Fantastic.

1721
01:48:11,500 --> 01:48:15,400
Well we've been going here
almost an hour 45 what you want

1722
01:48:15,400 --> 01:48:18,500
to say in conclusion?
Well well first off is there

1723
01:48:18,500 --> 01:48:19,700
anything that you want to touch
on?

1724
01:48:19,700 --> 01:48:24,300
We didn't touch on.
Nothing.

1725
01:48:24,300 --> 01:48:28,800
Comes to my mind at this point
so I can just, you know, just

1726
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:34,100
generally conclude I hope people
will check out the website,

1727
01:48:34,100 --> 01:48:37,600
defending Utah, dot-org.
Now, we've been working hard,

1728
01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:41,500
all year on various programs.
We'd love to have more people

1729
01:48:41,500 --> 01:48:45,400
with passion and heart and get
involved.

1730
01:48:45,700 --> 01:48:53,800
And there's a lot of opportunity
and And I would just like to

1731
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:58,000
invite anybody to check out our
website and join up.

1732
01:48:58,200 --> 01:49:00,400
Perfect, and when's your
presentation.

1733
01:49:01,300 --> 01:49:06,700
So, the presentation I told you
I'm speaking at the Firm

1734
01:49:06,700 --> 01:49:10,000
Foundation Expo.
That's not necessarily my full

1735
01:49:10,500 --> 01:49:16,000
one that I'm talking about okay
unless I just really get lots of

1736
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:21,000
free time and finish it up, not
my goal is having that I may

1737
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:22,600
announce it and do it myself
this year.

1738
01:49:22,600 --> 01:49:26,300
May not be any specific place,
but I'm speaking at the Firm

1739
01:49:26,300 --> 01:49:29,000
Foundation Expo and also some of
our other members are speaking

1740
01:49:29,000 --> 01:49:33,500
there as well.
I'll be speaking up, northern

1741
01:49:33,500 --> 01:49:35,600
Utah.
The city of Of Millville.

1742
01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:41,600
And then red pill Expo will be
there.

1743
01:49:41,700 --> 01:49:49,500
So I think we have a variety of
events coming up but look

1744
01:49:49,500 --> 01:49:54,700
forward to this solutions that
I'm talking about that will be

1745
01:49:54,700 --> 01:49:58,500
this year and get on our mailing
list.

1746
01:49:59,200 --> 01:50:03,400
And you'll be invited.
You can be invited to come.

1747
01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:07,000
Listen, send me an email info at
defending Utah dot-org.

1748
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:09,300
If you have questions, one
talked about it now in advance

1749
01:50:09,300 --> 01:50:17,400
if you're intrigued, and That's
it.

1750
01:50:17,700 --> 01:50:19,300
Awesome.
Look.

1751
01:50:19,300 --> 01:50:22,400
If you're listening to this,
it's for a reason.

1752
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:27,000
I don't know what that reason is
but you were born in this time

1753
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:29,900
for a reason and I think we all
have a part to play.

1754
01:50:30,900 --> 01:50:34,900
I'll never pretend to know the
mind and will of God perfectly.

1755
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:38,800
The one thing that scripture
does teach me though, is that

1756
01:50:39,200 --> 01:50:43,900
God loves a dramatic ending.
And I think that Things are

1757
01:50:43,900 --> 01:50:47,200
going to get a little dicey
before they get better here, but

1758
01:50:47,200 --> 01:50:49,500
when they get better it'll be a
grand time.

1759
01:50:50,200 --> 01:50:53,300
So and I think we all have a
part to play in that year, I

1760
01:50:53,300 --> 01:50:57,000
think, I think all of our job is
to figure out what that is and

1761
01:50:57,000 --> 01:51:01,000
then go forward with it.
You know, talking about what

1762
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:04,300
gives me, hope did make me,
think of them are things, The

1763
01:51:04,300 --> 01:51:08,800
more I've studied communism and
the conspiracy in their tactics,

1764
01:51:09,100 --> 01:51:12,000
the more I see that the things
that take away, hope are an

1765
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:19,300
illusion Well, a lot more than
we realize and so I can see how

1766
01:51:19,300 --> 01:51:26,100
much power we really have.
If we start to Not play into

1767
01:51:26,100 --> 01:51:32,200
those Illusions and just claim
use defend a little bit in our

1768
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:34,700
lives.
You know, we would see a lot

1769
01:51:34,700 --> 01:51:38,100
more success.
So I feel like nature and God

1770
01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:42,400
being one of the same is on our
side, he put the laws into place

1771
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:47,000
or you know, he governs by those
laws and we can leverage those

1772
01:51:47,600 --> 01:51:52,000
and we can come out.
Trumpeting then awesome.

1773
01:51:52,700 --> 01:51:54,900
All right.
Right defending Utah, everyone

1774
01:51:54,900 --> 01:51:58,400
go check that out.
Hey, when you come out with that

1775
01:51:58,400 --> 01:52:00,900
full list Solutions after that
presentation, would you mind

1776
01:52:00,900 --> 01:52:02,200
coming back on?
Sir?

1777
01:52:02,300 --> 01:52:04,700
Let's dive into a deep.
Okay, awesome.

1778
01:52:04,900 --> 01:52:05,900
Alright, bye everybody.