Episode #23 Not Hiding Our Light Under a Bushel W/David Patten: A Mormon Fundamentalist Film Maker

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Okay, I'm not breaking news
here.

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We all see that the world around
us is getting darker, right?

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I mean, it's plainly evident
that the love of man is waxing

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cold.
We see violence corruption War

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hunger, poverty, sexual
immorality, all around us, and

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it only continues to intensify
in a world that seems to have

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lost its moral compass.
What are we as followers of

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Christ supposed to do the answer
to that question?

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Is that we must stop looking for
others?

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Change.
We have to become the change

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that we seek today.
On the podcast, I have on David

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Pat now.
David is a man who has worked in

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Hollywood in the film industry
and seeing the inner workings of

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it.
He has since left Hollywood and

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started a film company of his
own that seeks to make films.

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That tell accurate, Mormon,
history and films that uplift

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and help people become pure in
heart.

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We talked a little bit about the
Genesis of this project.

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Some of his challenges is the
Mormon fundamentalist,

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independent filmmaker and what
His vision is for the future of

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his Venture along the way, we
talk a lot about gospel,

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principles and teachings.
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So today on the podcast I have
David Patten on and David.

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Is embarking on a Endeavor that
I find super important and that

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is he he striving him and him
his partner in this Venture are

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striving to make films.
That have a gospel-centered

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theme.
Did I cover that about right?

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David.
Yes.

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David thank you for the great
name.

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By the way.
Yes, thank you very, very much

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for the introduction and that is
indeed what we are endeavoring.

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So real quick, if you don't
mind, we're are you a Mormon

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fundamentalist?
Is that correct?

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That's correct.
And were you always a

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fundamentalist or were you kind
of Born Into the LDS church or

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what I would?
Conferring yeah I was born

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fundamentalist and I've been
around.

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Fantastic.
Fantastic and and you know I

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know you have some issues.
Sure that with privacy and that

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sort of thing.
But if you can and if you can't,

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I completely understand where
you kind of like raised in.

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You talk to tell me about what
your upbringing was like.

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Yeah, yeah.
Raised in Utah and the

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upbringing was I wouldn't say it
was your common fundamentalist

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experience that the childhood
was really, really good.

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And as you as I grew up, then I
started noticing things in my

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community that the Book of
Mormon.

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Borman, pointed out, is
priestcraft and long story

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short.
This became an investigator

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myself of various different
fundamentals, break offs and

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have had quite a few
conversations with leaderships

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in these different communities
and different people.

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And if hopefully learned a lot,
But in short, I would say that

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in all of the things I've seen,
I've never felt to Veer away

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from the Mormon fundamentalist
belief system, even though that

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there are certain parts of it
that I find distasteful, at

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times in the Book of Mormon
speaks against it as a whole,

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has been a great blessing and I
can see the value in it.

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You know, that's it's always so
fasting.

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And this is one of my favorite
parts of doing the podcast is

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listening to, everybody's kind
of Faith expression, right?

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And I've had, I've had
mainstream LDS, folks on, and

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will continue to do.
So I've had on Mormon

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fundamentalist, who belong to
groups.

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I've had independent, Mormon
fundamentalists.

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And the thing I find fascinating
is that we all tend to have a

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testimony.
Those Bedrock things, right?

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And I find it to be so
fascinating that that is a

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thread throughout everyone.
I talk to Yeah, I would agree

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with that.
It's nice to have that

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Foundation to fall back on.
It seems to me that so many

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people want to focus on the
differences, but I find there's

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so much more similarities than
there are differences and it is

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really nice with to have that
Foundation.

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I couldn't agree with you more
David because In in next week,

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I'm going to be releasing a
episode where we're going to

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really kind of talked about this
a little more in length with a

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with another guest, I'm going to
have on but the thing that that

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I find interesting right now is
I see the world coming for us,

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all right?
The adversary coming for us all

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and if we don't stand together,
Either on the things that we can

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agree with they'll pick our kids
apart and pick us off,

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individually one by one and so I
find it really essential that

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that we maybe try to reach out
some of our LDS brothers and

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sisters Independence to folks in
groups vice versa, all the way

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around because I feel like we're
in a moment where it's all hands

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on deck, you know what I mean?
I do David and honestly, I think

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you touched on it so perfectly
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I think that I think Satan's
effort is to get us divide more

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and more and to focus on the
differences to the point where

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we won't work together and we
won't have each other's back.

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And I think that's a very
strategic thing that the the

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adversary has going on.
And I agree with you, we should

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be reaching out and trying to
encourage.

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I like the quote from Joseph
Smith where he says, have the

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Baptist's, any truth, have the
Presbyterians, have the

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methodists, they all have truth
and we don't ask anyone to give

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up what they have.
We just invite them to come.

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Get more.
Or and if I cannot convince them

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that my way is better than I
will.

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Uphold and sustain them in their
own way to.

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He was very, very good at
encouraging them on the level

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that they were willing to accept
at the time.

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But he wouldn't hesitate to
teach them something more that

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if, if that would be something
that they would want to listen

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to absolutely.
And, and if it's done correctly

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and it's done out of a sense of
love, there's few people that

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get offended when you share
Something that you believe with

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somebody else.
Yeah, because they can feel that

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love.
It's coming from a place of

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authenticity.
It's, it's perfect just as an

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example.
Right.

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After I started this podcast, I
had somebody reach out to me,

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who was a calvinist of all
things, and we've gotten to be

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pretty good friends and we rib
each other quite a bit, right?

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Like we're talking about him
coming on the podcast off and on

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here and he's like, I think Can
predestined to come on.

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And I was like, no, I think
you're just choosing the right

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to come on to the podcast.
And so there's, there's little,

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but it's all in good fun, right?
It's, it's just, it's just in

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good fun.
And I think if we can, I think

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it takes two things.
One is is just reaching out in

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love to those around us.
And then to, let's not take

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ourselves too, seriously?
Right.

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I think, if we can do those two
things, I think we can reach out

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to a ton of people.
I agree.

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Thanks for mentioning that.
Absolutely, I agree.

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So real quick.
Let's get this out of the way as

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I said before.
There's there's some need for

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anonymity on your part here,
right?

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Yeah.
So David Patten isn't your real

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name?
And I'm you're not going to

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disclose your real name here but
you said you wanted to touch on

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that a little bit.
Why don't we do that right now?

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Yeah, absolutely I think it's
very very important that I let

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you and your listeners know that
David Patten is a fictitious

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name.
The specific reason for this is

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that anonymity.
It actually can Aid a message,

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especially in the film industry.
And I've been in the film

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industry, long enough to find
out that most filmmakers, the

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number one priority for them is
build their name.

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Build their name, build their
name, exalt their name and so

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they want credit.
They want to make sure that

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people recognize them for their
talents and and to build their

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name up so they can have better
future jobs or whatever.

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It is that they're trying to
accomplish and I'm not

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interested in that what I'm
interested in is the message and

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so I don't want to be credited
for it.

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I would prefer to remain
anonymous for that reason and

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for the reason that It can be a
distraction who made it

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sometimes becomes more important
than what was made and this has

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been one of the things that I've
learned throughout.

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I will say my fundamentalist
upbringing and in the many

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different groups that I've
talked to is, there's been a lot

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made about who has the priest
stood, who has the fullness of

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the priesthood, who's the
president of the priesthood.

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There's been so much focus on
that that we've Justified

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neglecting the principles.
The gospel and the principles

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that Christ taught in.
The Joseph Smith, Todd in the

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name of, well, who had this guy
has the priesthood and that guy

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who doesn't.
So I'm justified in treating

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that guy, or that group.
Ill and a couple things I'd like

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to point out.
We some of us will wear the

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title and the label of Mormon
fundamentalist which would imply

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that we keep and believe in
fundamental form and principles.

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I want to quote two things that
Joseph Smith said one is he

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said, friendship is a
fundamental principle of

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Mormonism.
It's designed to unite the world

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together.
And yet, if you look at the

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Mormon fundamentalist
communities, most of us have a

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tendency to not be friends and
choose not to be friends because

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we don't agree with a certain
tenets of that particular group.

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Another quote Joseph says, it is
a fundamental notice the word

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fundamental fundamental
principle of Mormonism to accept

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truth.
Let it come from whence it may

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And we have a tendency to say oh
well I'll give you a few

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examples.
If Alex Joseph said that, then

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he had an ulterior motive before
and Jeff said, such and such he

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had him ulterior motive or if
rolling all bad man.

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He was an aspiring, man.
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said is truth and you find that
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I don't mean that as an
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that I've noticed is experience.
But if Joseph Smith, the founder

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of our religion said that, Those
were fundamental principles of

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Mormonism, would it not follow?
That Mormon fundamentalist would

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try to implement them in their
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Absolutely.
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that that I prefer to remain
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message.
Obviously there will be actors

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that you know people will
recognize and it's okay.

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You know, there's probably going
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your show and say, hey I
recognize that nice, that voice

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that David Patten guy, I know
who that is, and that's okay.

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I'm not trying to hide from
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I'm just trying to deliver the
message that let's focus on the

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principal.
Let's focus on the message.

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Don't get caught up with who's
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No, I think that makes perfect
sense David.

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I think that I think you're
right on so many points there

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that you just said one is that
the the last thing you I've

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always said, I like my
politicians to be really dry and

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maybe a little hard to relate to
you because because the last

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thing you want is a cult of
personality, right?

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And so I totally get what you're
saying there.

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That that If people focus on who
you are rather than what the

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message is, it then becomes a
cult of personality and most

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times not always, but most times
the that Cult of Personality

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tends to ebb and flow in terms
of being successful, with the

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person who's put on the
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Yes, absolutely.
And I agree.

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Thank you for understanding
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So, yeah, I totally get that.
That the other thing I would say

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is, I agree wholeheartedly with
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we've kind of cannibalized, each
other, for lack of a better

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term, right?
And as we do, we're not making,

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we think by tearing somebody
else down from in Mormonism is,

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you know, a way to strengthen
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Whatever that may be, in all
actuality is we talked about

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just a few minutes before.
It actually weakens us because

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if we're set on beating our
brother, well then the enemy of

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the entire family is at the door
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Agreed.
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divided against itself cannot
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And I think we're in one of
those moments and, and this is

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why I really wanted to have you
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David is because I feel like
perhaps more so than any other

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time I can remember in my time
is being a Mormon, and I wasn't

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a Mormon by birth, I joined the
LDS church and then I eventually

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became a Fundamentalist Thing
that, that that I recognize now

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that happened.
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After I started the podcast was
that we're kind of coming into a

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fundamentalist moment.
We might be right in the middle

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of it, right?
With shows like under the banner

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of heaven, we have things like
the the Netflix special about

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Warren Jeffs.
We have you know it wasn't too

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long ago that you know they
decriminalized.

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Why's polygamy with in Utah.
Didn't Legalize It But

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decriminalized it and so I feel
like we're in this this more

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this fundamentalist Mormon
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And and and When I see somebody,
who's a fundamentalist who's

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like, you know, starting a movie
studio seems to be kind of the

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thing to do right now.
It really, it really made me

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curious.
Tell me about that process.

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David, where were you?
When you have this idea or the

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spirit moved you to do this
cake?

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Can you kind of took get fill me
in on the background?

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There of how you got to this
point?

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Sure.
Absolutely.

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I'll give you a just cut.
A quick rundown.

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I was I was a really close to
all but signing a contract with

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Paramount in Hollywood
California on a Trilogy of films

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that I felt indifferent about
they, they had Mormon

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characters.
Interestingly, interestingly

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enough but the the spirit of it
just didn't feel right, but at

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the time I wanted to build my
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I wanted to exalt my own name
rather than gods and we ran into

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a situation where I made a
mistake reaching out to

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high-profile actors.
And when I thought that that was

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okay and found out that it
wasn't yet because Paramount

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hadn't confirmed that they were
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And so when I reached out to
these high-profile actors and

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they started asking, you know,
who's behind the film, and I

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would say Paramount then
Paramount got upset with our

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company and they needed a
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So that's essentially what it
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It was very hard at the time but
it turned out to be one of the

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greatest blessings of my life.
Because in my humility, I turned

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to the Lord and told him, I was
sorry if I was doing something

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wrong and immediately he put
into my mind, an idea the

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feature film.
That I have since produced and

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it has gotten global
distribution.

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It's a, it's a Christian film
and delivers a very hopefully a

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very impactful message of love.
But after that was done, then I

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remember pondering.
What do I do next?

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And I focused on my family for a
while.

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And several different times, I
felt just a gentle nudge to Take

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it up a notch.
Don't be afraid to defend the

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principles that you believe in
and don't be afraid to share

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them.
Because if Joseph Smith John

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Taylor, Brigham Young.
These guys that wrote

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periodicals and newspapers in
their day, we're going to use

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the best available press of
their day to spread the gospel.

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Why shouldn't we?
Use the best available press and

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I realized in that moment that
God had given me the ability to

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make films, you know, decent
quality films.

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But but packed him a punch as
far as the message is concerned

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and I was told to things in the
spirit to not hide my talent

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under a bushel. and, To always
look unto God for direction as

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to how to go about it.
So, with that, that the other

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one, the other thing that got me
pushing was you've probably

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heard the term historical
revisionism.

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Yeah.
It's a pretty Active thing right

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now.
There's a lot of historical

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revisionists that throw the
other presidents and profits

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under the bus and it's slowly
leaking into well, but maybe

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Joseph Smith wasn't such a good
guy, but let's try to throw a

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couple of his things.
And you know, let's bring some

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things in the Limelight of heat
the way he did wrong.

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So eventually they'll let go of
him and I've noticed in talking

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with quite a bit of different
people, especially in terms of

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Brigham Young that a lot of
people become familiar with one

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or two sentences that bring them
said that we're pretty harsh or

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harsh sounding but then when you
go back and you read the entire

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context of the sermon you find
out that wasn't harsh and then

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what happens is when they think
that he's harsh then they'll try

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to dig up dirt on the guy And
sometimes it's anti-mormon

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material, or sometimes it's a
rumor that passed on for 150

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years and you know, gets twisted
with each telling.

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So, one of the things that came
to me was These people don't

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really know who Joseph in
Brigham and John Taylor were

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they see the sermons or portions
of the sermons?

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But they don't see the acts that
they had in their everyday

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lives.
So I pulled out a book by hiring

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Andres it's called they knew the
prophet, there's another one by

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Mark, McConkey called
remembering Joseph.

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And both books are actual
eyewitness accounts of personal

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experiences that people had with
Joseph Smith.

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And those experiences reveal who
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And the idea hit me with all the
historical revisionism that's

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going on.
We need to combat this idea of

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people saying, this is who this
guy was our, this is who that

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guy was.
He was a crook.

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He was evil and and I'll go back
to bring them young for just a

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moment because There are a
couple things that people will

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take from Brigham Young that's
very, very harsh but then you'll

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go and read in the Journal of
discourses.

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For when somebody else is
talking about Brigham Young and

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saying why why is bring him so
happy Why do why do people love

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being around brother Brigham?
Because he still kind and

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thoughtful.
And because he reaches out to

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those that are in need there,
there's people that actually

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Bear testimony to how Brigham
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And then, I picked up a book
written by Brigham Young's

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daughter where she talked about
their everyday living.

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And he was an incredible human
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You find out how he will was in
his daily life and you find out.

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It's so much different than
misinterpreted, or out of

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context quotes that people get a
little disgruntled about, So

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with that said, I'll just finish
by saying the idea that came to

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me is not only do fundamentalist
need to go back and find out who

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Joseph Smith was.
But there's a great many people

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who are leery about Joseph
Smith, that never would enter

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the rent, restoration gospel
without knowing who he is.

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And these films are designed
first, the first series to point

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out who he was.
And already, I've cast a couple

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people that are Christian, they
have never even, Thought of even

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looking into Mormonism and I
gave him the heads-up that hey,

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this the story that we're going
to film, it's about Joseph Smith

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leader of the Mormons and it
makes him look good.

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So if you don't want to be part
of it, there's your warning and

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they looked at the script and
they're like, wow, this is

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really awesome.
I want to be part of it and

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hopefully it opens a spark, some
interest That, that is really

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cool and you hit on so many
things in there that that I want

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to touch on one is the
revisionist history.

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The next podcast, guess it'll be
released next week.

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They they're coming on, it's the
name everyone recognizes and I

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never say it until recording is
done, because I never want to

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jinx anything.
But but that personal Beyond

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talk about, just, the thing you
talked about which was

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revisionist history, because I
think what's Happening Now is so

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is something that's very similar
that we saw happen within the

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United States in the last 100
years, which is If you can

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discredit the messenger then
it's really easy to discredit

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the message 100%.
And and I think I think they did

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it first with in the United
States with a lot of Education

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right under the guise of
education and now they're coming

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after Mormonism, right?
Discredit the messenger Joseph

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Smith, Brigham Young John Taylor
and then You can discredit the

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message or maybe even reshaped
the message into something that

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they want to see.
And and the work of teaching

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true history.
In an engaging way, has never

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been more important than it is
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Oh absolutely.
You hit on a lot of very, very

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important points.
And Brigham Young seems to be an

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easy target.
Because Brigham did say, some

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controversial things, I would
preface that by saying that that

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Brigham Young wasn't that
controversial for his time,

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they're controversial to us
today and, and and, you know,

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they're Troublesome to us today,
but we have to understand that

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he was still a man called by God
a prophet with a prophetic

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manner.
But that doesn't mean he was

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perfect either.
And it sure it's totally within

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the gospel to say, you know
what, maybe brother Brigham did

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have some flaws, but Brigham
brother.

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Brigham was also a prophet of
the Lord and when people focus

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solely upon I guess the Sterner
parts of who Brigham was they

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don't take into account how
tender he was and there are

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plenty of accounts where he was
very tender, right?

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I mean, yeah, look, this is a
guy in the middle of conference

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stands up and says We gotta go
get those folks stuck out there

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on the plains.
We're not leaving anybody out

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there likewise, there are
stories of him where, you know,

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you mentioned his daughter.
I remember I'm a red one account

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where one of his daughters was
sick and it talked about just

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how gently was as he tended to
his own family.

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The other thing Brigham gets
cast in a bad light Force.

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They said, well, he bought
Native Americans.

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Well, you have to look at the
whole story, right?

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One, Native American.
And group band of of or tribe I

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should say, had brought in
children from another tribe and

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threatened to kill him unless
somebody paid for him and

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Brigham said I'll pay but they
don't tell the whole story.

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They just tell one little
section, David Wright.

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00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,900
And and you don't get an
accurate picture of who Brigham

451
00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:39,100
is until you look at the breadth
of it, and we do this to all

452
00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:42,700
people in history and I can't
figure out why but But rather

453
00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:48,400
than focus on the whole, we tend
to focus on one or two little

454
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,700
things he said or she said and
then we cancel everybody because

455
00:28:52,700 --> 00:28:56,100
of that.
Yeah, absolutely absolutely.

456
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:59,400
Thank you for mentioning that
because I do want to point out

457
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,900
just a couple things to on
Brigham especially so this

458
00:29:03,900 --> 00:29:08,300
daughter of his that wrote this
book, she tells a story about

459
00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:12,500
going up to her mother and as
you probably know Brigham had 56

460
00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:17,300
children in 19 wives, at one
point, and he goes up to her,

461
00:29:17,300 --> 00:29:21,200
she goes up to her mother and
says You seem sorrowful today.

462
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,900
Mother, Is it hard for you?
Is it really hard for you to be

463
00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:28,300
married to the same man, that
all these women are married to

464
00:29:29,500 --> 00:29:34,800
And she says it is at times, but
if, if your father wasn't the

465
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:40,100
most wonderful man in the world,
I don't think I could do it and,

466
00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:42,900
and nobody would know Brigham
better than a wife.

467
00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:46,800
Right, and yet?
And yet her testimony is, he's a

468
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,500
good man.
He's the most wonderful man in

469
00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:50,100
the world.
That was her testimony.

470
00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:55,700
So which is very, very
interesting you want to if you,

471
00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:58,700
if you look at the people that
were close to Brigham and see

472
00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:01,200
what they said about him, you
get a completely different

473
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,500
picture than just a couple
sentences that seemed rough.

474
00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:11,100
Yeah, and not to mention, it's
really hard to It's really hard

475
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:15,800
to know when what Brigham is or
how Brigham is speaking, right?

476
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,300
Because if you go to the Journal
of discourses and you go to all

477
00:30:19,300 --> 00:30:22,200
those other sources, you're
like, is this, the prophetic

478
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,400
hat?
Is this the territorial Governor

479
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,700
hat is this, the colonizer Hat?
What, you know, what's he

480
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:32,000
talking in full context?
You're about and so that becomes

481
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,200
vitally important because I
would argue that with the

482
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,500
exceptions of Joseph Smith and
maybe the founding fathers

483
00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:46,300
Brigham Young did a tremendous
work, wearing a lot of different

484
00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:51,500
hats to carve out not just an
existence but a society out of

485
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:56,800
the Great Basin Yeah.
And really who else could have

486
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,500
done that, right?
Right.

487
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,400
And don't get me wrong, I
understand Brigham could be firm

488
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,300
but he kind of had to be, right?
I mean, we're gonna get these

489
00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:11,600
wagons and we're going to go
over these planes and over those

490
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,700
mountains.
And then we're going to settle

491
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:19,000
by a really salty lake right
where there's no civilization,

492
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:19,900
right?
Right.

493
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,000
And we're going to carve out an
existence out of that.

494
00:31:23,500 --> 00:31:25,500
You have to be a little firm,
right?

495
00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:29,400
I mean, you can't be a total
softy in that environment.

496
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,600
Oh yeah.
Absolutely.

497
00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:37,700
He will be needed to be.
He was, he absolutely was.

498
00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:42,400
So as your begin, let's talk
about the film's a little bit

499
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,100
here.
Now, is this going to be a

500
00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:50,400
series of films?
Or is this going to be just one

501
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,300
film or on Joseph Smith?
Or what are you looking at?

502
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,900
David.
Yeah, absolutely.

503
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:02,900
The idea is to take a series of
stories of his life and we'd

504
00:32:02,900 --> 00:32:05,900
probably find the same actor who
played Joseph Smith, and every

505
00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:09,200
one of them we'd probably like
I've already got two that have

506
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,200
no K Whitney.
And so, they'd be connected,

507
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,400
they'd be connected series of
films.

508
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,500
That illustrate a message very
easily.

509
00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:25,800
But it's not just Joseph Smith.
This like I want to do maybe a

510
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:31,600
season so to speak of Joseph
Smith, there's a story I found

511
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,800
on Charles Penrose the
illustrates a principle of the

512
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,500
Gospel.
So well that I would like to

513
00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:41,800
film that Joseph's not even in
that, it was Charles Penrose but

514
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,200
it is the origin of the street.
The song in the hymn book called

515
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,300
School, die feelings and why
Charles Penrose wrote that and

516
00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:51,300
it was a very trying
circumstances.

517
00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:55,400
Stands for him but it was just
an absolute beautiful story.

518
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,600
So yes right now, I'm actually
casting and preparing for three

519
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,900
specific stories about Joseph
Smith to help.

520
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:10,400
Give a clearer idea of who he
was and I hope to continue to

521
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,700
find some more stories about him
to where I would.

522
00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:17,800
I don't know how many episodes
I'll just call them episodes.

523
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,300
I don't know how many there will
actually be still work.

524
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:29,800
Going on that particular thing,
but I even intend to do one on

525
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,800
John Taylor called the kingdom
of God, or nothing that has

526
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,100
stuff on the 1886 events told in
a narrative form.

527
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,500
So there's a lot of different
things that that I'm looking at

528
00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:46,800
doing, but I think I'm going to
start with Joseph Smith and try

529
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,400
to give an idea of who he was
through these short films.

530
00:33:50,300 --> 00:33:53,300
So are these scripts that you
yourself have wrote?

531
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,500
No they actually come directly
from these accounts, they are

532
00:33:57,500 --> 00:34:00,600
scripts that I wrote just to put
them in a script form so all my

533
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,600
cast and crew understands how
we're shooting it.

534
00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:08,800
However the stories come from
accounts themselves now I will

535
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:16,100
say this There are some stories
where the person writing the

536
00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:20,500
story about what happened with
Joseph Smith, doesn't say

537
00:34:20,699 --> 00:34:24,300
verbatim What Joseph said or
what they said.

538
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,699
They'll say something like
Joseph.

539
00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:31,199
Let us know that we were doing a
good job but how do you actually

540
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:33,300
script that?
How do you how do you script

541
00:34:33,300 --> 00:34:36,199
that without actually putting
words into Joseph's mouth?

542
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:39,300
We want the audience to know
that Joseph told them that

543
00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:41,900
they're doing a good job.
But they didn't write in their

544
00:34:41,900 --> 00:34:45,699
journal, in quotation marks, you
guys are doing a really great

545
00:34:45,699 --> 00:34:49,600
job.
So there's some people that may

546
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:54,100
take issue with oh you're
putting words in Joseph's mouth

547
00:34:54,100 --> 00:34:58,300
that he never said.
And one thing I've found to is

548
00:34:58,300 --> 00:35:05,400
that there will be an account on
a certain situation that

549
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,200
happened where one person tells
it this way and said to Joseph

550
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,300
said such and such and another
account of the exact same

551
00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:14,900
situation where they says that
Joseph said, such and such and

552
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:19,300
they differ And so it becomes a
little bit of a challenge to

553
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:22,200
say, okay, what actually
happened, I like to use the law

554
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,600
of witnesses that mouth of two
or three Witnesses, all truth

555
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,400
shall be established.
And if I can find that, then I

556
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,600
can basically say, okay, this is
verbatim this has to stay true

557
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,400
to the source material and I try
to do that.

558
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,600
Anyway, it's just there are
moments where you have to convey

559
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:44,400
to the audience, what the person
in the journal was saying where

560
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,400
they didn't actually give quotes
because Makes sense.

561
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,800
Absolutely, it does.
And one thing I wanted to say is

562
00:35:51,800 --> 00:36:00,100
that too often, we feel like
well, these events should should

563
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,900
be.
So important that the account

564
00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:07,500
from one person to another
should be identical.

565
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,300
And that's not the way humans
work, right?

566
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,300
It, we can look at the, the
gospels as just, an example.

567
00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:19,900
If you look at Matthew Mark,
John, they all differ a little

568
00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:23,000
bit, right?
And, and rather than say, well

569
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,100
this doesn't agree with Matthew
so we got throw it out, know we

570
00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:31,600
what we say is that okay, John
is is seeing the same event but

571
00:36:31,700 --> 00:36:36,200
because he's a different person
with a different background and

572
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:41,600
a different point of origin.
Maybe he's going to see things

573
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,800
differently than what Matthew is
going to see them and he met

574
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:51,000
fixate on different.
Details of that story, then

575
00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:55,600
Matthew does and it's that it's
the same way when you start

576
00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:00,900
talking about car accidents or,
you know, major events, right.

577
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,000
One of the things that that
really surprised me is right

578
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,200
after 9/11.
I remember, I had some good

579
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,700
friends out east who were at
Ground Zero or close to ground

580
00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:14,300
zero.
And there were little pieces of

581
00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:16,600
the story that didn't line up
with each other.

582
00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:20,600
Sure, when I started to enjoy to
look at it, like, okay, is

583
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,400
somebody lying to me?
Here I found out.

584
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,400
No, they're not lying to me.
They just put more emphasis on

585
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,100
one part than the other and
another person put more emphasis

586
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:35,900
on a different part and and in
some ways those different

587
00:37:35,900 --> 00:37:38,600
accounts that maybe don't match
up quite right.

588
00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:42,100
I've tried to be a little more
forgiving since that experience

589
00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:46,100
with my friends out east and
saying that know, they could

590
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:48,700
both be.
Completely 100% correct.

591
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:50,800
They're just putting emphasis on
different things.

592
00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:55,000
I love that and I love your you
using the four gospels as an

593
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,600
example, because what you do
have is you have Matthew and

594
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,100
John who both were eyewitnesses
to the things that Jesus did

595
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:03,700
yet.
You'll find in Matthew, when

596
00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:06,600
Jesus talks about having the
faith of the Mustard Seed.

597
00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:09,400
He says, if you have the faith
of a mustard seed, you could say

598
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,500
to that mountain be thou removed
and it would remove but then you

599
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:16,400
go to John and he emphasizes
that story a little bit.

600
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,800
And says, if you have the faith
of a mustard seed, you could say

601
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,100
to that mountain be thou removed
and it would be removed, so,

602
00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:25,500
that's verbatim.
But then John says that Christ

603
00:38:25,500 --> 00:38:29,500
continued and said, for the
mustard seed is the smallest of

604
00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:35,700
all seeds but when it is
planted, it grows into a large

605
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:39,500
tree and the fowls of the air
come and Lodge in the branches

606
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:42,500
thereof.
And you don't get that without

607
00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:45,700
that was what stood out to John.
And so, he made sure that he

608
00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:47,700
wrote that.
This is what Christ said about

609
00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:50,100
this instance.
And it's beautiful too because

610
00:38:50,500 --> 00:38:53,700
you have Mark who he could have
been an eyewitness.

611
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,400
There's some that say that he
was probably a teenager and

612
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,200
followed Jesus around the time.
He could have been an eyewitness

613
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,700
but then you have Luke, who
wasn't who was told by Paul what

614
00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:06,800
happened in, Paul wasn't even an
eyewitness which is very

615
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,100
interesting.
But at the same time, Luke was a

616
00:39:09,100 --> 00:39:12,100
very thorough historian.
And he would take what mr.

617
00:39:12,100 --> 00:39:15,400
Horse material, he could gather
and put it together in a very

618
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,700
comprehensive way.
All of that has value and all of

619
00:39:19,700 --> 00:39:23,200
that offers just plenty of
perspective to get, and so I

620
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,300
like to find stories I like to
find stories of especially for

621
00:39:27,300 --> 00:39:31,100
my films that have more than one
witness.

622
00:39:32,700 --> 00:39:35,900
Absolutely.
Because really in again, we see

623
00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:41,100
this in the gospels is that we
don't call one of the Apostles

624
00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:45,100
Liars because they're their
story differed a little bit,

625
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:49,400
right?
Likewise, I think that it's the

626
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,000
message more than than the
verbiage.

627
00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:54,900
You know what I mean?
And the message always has a way

628
00:39:54,900 --> 00:39:57,300
of coming through and the
gospels.

629
00:39:57,300 --> 00:40:00,100
I think provide a clear example
of that.

630
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,700
Where where even though Stories,
differ a little bit or the

631
00:40:04,700 --> 00:40:08,500
verbage differs a little bit.
The the message comes comes

632
00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:14,600
through on those.
So I think taking taking some

633
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:19,100
artistic license if you will and
trying to put, you know, a three

634
00:40:19,100 --> 00:40:24,000
sentence paragraph and trying to
make it a five minute clip in a

635
00:40:24,008 --> 00:40:25,600
movie.
I don't think there's anything

636
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,900
wrong with expounding on that a
little bit.

637
00:40:29,500 --> 00:40:31,200
Sure, thank you, thank you for
that.

638
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,300
I'm glad to hear that.
Now in doing that, it's very

639
00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:37,200
important to me that I don't
tell anything that's not

640
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,700
truthful.
Should I don't just make

641
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:42,800
something up.
If there's a line of dialogue

642
00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:47,100
that a character says that is
not verified exactly like that

643
00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:51,300
in the account.
That line of dialogue supports

644
00:40:51,300 --> 00:40:56,300
the account still, it's to
support the idea that whoever

645
00:40:56,300 --> 00:40:59,300
the author of it is was trying
to convey.

646
00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:02,800
Gotcha.
Gotcha.

647
00:41:03,300 --> 00:41:05,800
No.
I think I think you're right on

648
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,600
with with how your approach in
that.

649
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,600
I mean, I'm kind of an amateur
historian, especially when it

650
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,300
comes to the founding fathers.
And I've often thought, man,

651
00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:18,400
there just needs to be a good
movie about Washington.

652
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,800
I mean, a solid movie.
Yes, the problem is that as I

653
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,800
read, as I read other, as I read
historians about Washington,

654
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,500
they can't agree with each other
and I'm like, yeah, this would

655
00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:33,300
end up in a fist.
Wait, I get it so I can I can

656
00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:36,600
totally totally sympathize with
what you're saying right there

657
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,400
about trying to make sure that
that that dialogue supports the

658
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,700
message, right?
Or supports the idea that's

659
00:41:42,700 --> 00:41:46,400
coming through.
So where are you at?

660
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,700
In terms of filming, have you
started filming yet or anything?

661
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:52,300
No, still working on
pre-production.

662
00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:54,400
I've got a lot of family stuff
going on right now.

663
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,200
That doesn't allow me to roll
camera quite yet, but I'm

664
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,100
particularly fond of the Fall
colors.

665
00:42:00,700 --> 00:42:03,500
Okay.
And, and I'm looking at some

666
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:08,600
time mid-fall hopefully to do
three days of shooting for, for

667
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,100
three days or three specific
shorts and if you'd like, I can

668
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:15,200
go into those those shorts.
Absolutely.

669
00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:20,400
Okay.
So one of them is a story about

670
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:25,500
it's told by William F Cahoon
about when he was 17 years of

671
00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:31,500
age and This young man was a
teacher in the aaronic

672
00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:37,000
priesthood and he was tasked to
go to various homes on home,

673
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,200
teaching assignments.
And he says, that he did really

674
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,100
really well until the bishop
called him to go to Joseph

675
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:45,300
Smith's house.
And then he felt really, really

676
00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:49,500
small and wanted to shrink from
his duty and and excused himself

677
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:53,900
from that assignment.
He said, but he realized it was

678
00:42:53,900 --> 00:42:56,000
his duty and he was asked to go
do it.

679
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:00,100
And so, Very nervously.
He goes one night and knocks on

680
00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:02,300
the door and Joseph opens up
with a smile.

681
00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:07,100
Invites him in calls the family
together and William proceeds to

682
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:09,300
just ask some questions, simple
ones.

683
00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:12,400
Like are you saying family
prayers, as well as individual

684
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,000
prayers, are you teaching your
children, the principles of the

685
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,100
Gospel?
Are you fulfilling your duty

686
00:43:18,100 --> 00:43:22,200
toward God, and toward your
family, just those reminder type

687
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,100
questions and he affirms the
Joseph very humbly.

688
00:43:26,900 --> 00:43:27,900
Would respond.
Yes.

689
00:43:27,900 --> 00:43:31,000
I'm I'm trying to do that and
then the young man would ask

690
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,800
Emma, few questions and she'd
respond.

691
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:39,300
Similarly and after he was done,
he just said that Joseph was so

692
00:43:39,300 --> 00:43:42,600
cordial and thank him so much
for fulfilling his duty.

693
00:43:44,100 --> 00:43:47,400
And there's two accounts of the
story.

694
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,900
By the way, one of them, what
from Calhoun himself says that

695
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,500
Joseph.
Just walked him out the door and

696
00:43:54,500 --> 00:43:57,100
thanked him and was very nice
and cordial but there's another

697
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,400
account that says Joseph wind
up, put his hand on his

698
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,100
shoulder.
He says, brother I want to tell

699
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:06,400
you something.
It's because of young men like

700
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,600
you that the kingdom of God will
never fail.

701
00:44:09,500 --> 00:44:11,800
So there's two differing
accounts and I have to juggle,

702
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,700
you know which one which one
sport accurate there, but that's

703
00:44:15,700 --> 00:44:17,400
a beautiful story.
And I think it's a great

704
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,000
encouragement to young men who
have been called to the

705
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,700
priesthood who have all, but
forgotten that there actually is

706
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,900
a duty in the aaronic
priesthood.

707
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,400
That's very helpful if they'll
fulfill it.

708
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,600
So that's one of them and it
finishes with actual quote from

709
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,000
Joseph Smith found in teachings
of the Prophet Joseph Smith

710
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,700
where he says that Deacon can
enjoy as much of the spirit of

711
00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:44,400
God by doing his duty as the
president of the church could.

712
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:49,300
So, I finish him with Joseph
saying a part of the sermon on

713
00:44:49,300 --> 00:44:53,600
that another story.
I'll be real brief with this

714
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:54,500
one.
No, you're good.

715
00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:56,300
Take your time.
There's no time limit here,

716
00:44:56,900 --> 00:45:01,400
okay, it's told by a, it's told
by a lady that when she was a

717
00:45:01,408 --> 00:45:06,000
little girl eight years old
that, she remembers Joseph Smith

718
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,100
riding on a horse in to Nauvoo
to the home.

719
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,900
Of their family and they had
just moved to Nabu, they had

720
00:45:11,900 --> 00:45:15,300
barely gotten there and Joseph
came up to her father and asked

721
00:45:15,300 --> 00:45:18,900
for a hundred dollars to pay the
lawyer to defend Porter Rockwell

722
00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:24,100
who had been I guess indicted
for attempted assassination of

723
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:27,700
Governor Boggs.
And so Joseph asked to borrow a

724
00:45:27,707 --> 00:45:31,200
hundred dollars, which was a
fairly significance in that day.

725
00:45:32,300 --> 00:45:36,200
And without hesitation this man
Thomas, colborn gives him a

726
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,800
hundred dollars Joseph.
Thanks him and says, I'll have

727
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:44,900
this back to you in three days.
And he mounts his horse and

728
00:45:44,900 --> 00:45:47,700
rides off.
Well, the sister of the man that

729
00:45:47,700 --> 00:45:50,200
gave the money was pretty upset
about it.

730
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,700
And started accusing him of
giving his money away to a guy

731
00:45:54,700 --> 00:45:58,100
who will never pay it back.
Who can't take care of his own

732
00:45:58,100 --> 00:46:01,500
family.
And that will never see a dime

733
00:46:01,500 --> 00:46:08,200
of it again and Thomas Cole.
Born faithful man says well if

734
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,600
he doesn't pay pay it back he's
welcome to it.

735
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,400
So this little girl watches
eagerly for three days for

736
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,700
Joseph to come back and sure
enough.

737
00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:22,100
At on the third day it gets to
be 8:00 at night. 9:00 10:00

738
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:27,000
still, no Joseph Smith and it's
raining outside and and the

739
00:46:27,008 --> 00:46:33,000
sisters just I told you so he's
not going to pay this and about

740
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,500
11:00 at night, there's a knock
at the door, Thomas goes and

741
00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:43,100
opens up the door.
Joseph soaking wet says, here's

742
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:46,800
the money Thomas.
I've been working all day long

743
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,900
to try to get this some and they
counted it out there was a

744
00:46:49,908 --> 00:46:54,200
hundred dollars in gold, that he
paid back and he says, I had to

745
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,000
make sure I got it to you for my
reputation was at stake.

746
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,100
And he walks away in a left such
an impression on that little

747
00:47:01,100 --> 00:47:05,100
girl.
Wow, that that's just one of

748
00:47:05,100 --> 00:47:07,700
those stories that tell you a
little bit about who this guy

749
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:12,000
was.
He was an honest person, and

750
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,900
there are historical revisionist
that will tell you he wasn't

751
00:47:15,100 --> 00:47:18,800
don't bring up the United firm
in Kirtland and and say all

752
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,600
kinds of things about him
because people in his day said

753
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,300
things about him.
So I will just there's another

754
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:29,100
one I'm working on as well
called a lecture on faith.

755
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,100
And I'm still developing that
research wise.

756
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:33,900
So, I won't share that right
now.

757
00:47:33,900 --> 00:47:39,500
But it is one I intend to film
you know and and it's those Or

758
00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:44,700
he's did, I think helped to
humanize the people that we

759
00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:49,700
Revere in history?
We have the strange As humans

760
00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:52,200
and I can't figure out why
exactly.

761
00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:57,200
But we have this strange way of
people who were important in

762
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:03,500
history, we tend to
intellectually and emotionally

763
00:48:03,900 --> 00:48:07,000
turn them into statues of
marble, right?

764
00:48:07,100 --> 00:48:10,600
Where they're almost stationary,
and they almost seem to be

765
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,100
People without parts and
passions if you will right,

766
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:19,500
where I'll put well where were
you, don't see their humanity

767
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,900
and it's in the accounts like
the one that you just mentioned

768
00:48:24,300 --> 00:48:26,600
that.
I think it's so important that

769
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:31,600
that we see the prophets
Humanity, that we see his, his

770
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:36,900
his, his love, and his passion,
not only for the gospel, but for

771
00:48:36,900 --> 00:48:40,500
the people that followed after
the message, which he preached.

772
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,700
Yeah, agreed.
And, you know, it helps us as

773
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,900
viewers and as humans ourselves,
I'm glad you mentioned that it's

774
00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:51,900
nice to see their Humanity
because it actually helps us to

775
00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:54,400
say, wow.
Now that I see this example

776
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,100
before me, I know it's possible.
I can do that too.

777
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,700
Absolutely.i.
One of my personal heroes from

778
00:49:01,700 --> 00:49:05,500
the scriptures is Peter, right?
And this is where I'm going to

779
00:49:05,500 --> 00:49:09,900
admit.
My foibles if you will, is that

780
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:16,200
you got Peter, just a few hours
before he denies Christ where

781
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,700
he's like, hey, we'll go to war,
we'll do whatever.

782
00:49:18,700 --> 00:49:22,000
We got to do to make sure you're
okay and you're not going to

783
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,200
suffer, and we're gonna go
through this and he's just

784
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:29,300
stalwart, he's gonna, you know,
Make sure that the savior's,

785
00:49:29,300 --> 00:49:32,000
okay?
A few hours later man.

786
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,000
He's like, I don't know who that
guy was.

787
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:39,000
I've no idea and and I can
identify with Peter and some

788
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:44,400
respect because there's times I
come out of church or I come out

789
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,800
of my family worship.
And I'm like, this, is it?

790
00:49:47,900 --> 00:49:52,200
I'm I'm not going to screw up.
I'm not I'm going to be cool and

791
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,300
then not more than a couple
hours later.

792
00:49:54,300 --> 00:49:58,600
I'm like, well, I screwed that
up already but When we can see

793
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,700
somebody's Humanity.
Like we can Peters, we can be

794
00:50:01,700 --> 00:50:05,700
like, okay well I haven't denied
the Savior and God still worked

795
00:50:05,700 --> 00:50:09,000
with Peter.
So I know he'll still work with

796
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:13,700
me and I think it's a way that
we can find Hope even when we

797
00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:17,200
stumble and we fall.
That's the very beautiful

798
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,200
principle you touched on there,
David.

799
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,700
I've noticed that one of the
things the adversary works on

800
00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:25,600
us.
The most is shame.

801
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,400
To convince us how shameful we
ought to be and how much the

802
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,500
Savior wouldn't want our
presence, how much God wouldn't

803
00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:36,900
want our presence because of how
filthy we are and how much we

804
00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:39,500
screwed up.
And I think that's completely

805
00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:42,400
opposite of what the Savior was
trying to get us to understand.

806
00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:46,700
I think you took the example,
you give Peter is a beautiful

807
00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:49,900
one.
Well in in the other thing is

808
00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:55,800
and I love the endowment and and
I love the, the Genesis account,

809
00:50:56,300 --> 00:51:00,100
both the one in Genesis and in
the pearl of great price because

810
00:51:00,100 --> 00:51:01,900
I think there's so much we can
take from there.

811
00:51:01,900 --> 00:51:06,000
It's so rich.
And it's yes in both in the

812
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,300
ordinance of the endowment and
then just reading about it in

813
00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:14,300
scripture, but one of the things
that always Stuck out to me

814
00:51:14,300 --> 00:51:17,300
especially when I was first
becoming Mormon period and

815
00:51:17,308 --> 00:51:20,300
coming in the LDS church.
Because and I've admitted this

816
00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:24,200
before, and I'll do it again
before I join the, the before I

817
00:51:24,207 --> 00:51:28,400
became a Mormon, I could have
majored in Dirtbag Enos and got

818
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,600
like a PhD.
I was really good at it.

819
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:41,300
And so as as a as we as, as we
look at the Genesis account even

820
00:51:41,300 --> 00:51:44,600
after Adam and Eve have Are
taken the fruit there.

821
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,200
They're attempting to hide from
God, right?

822
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,400
Hmm.
On the charge by the charge,

823
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:56,000
given by Satan to them, go and
hide, and they're hiding, but

824
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:00,900
the Lord still seeks after him.
His God, still seeks after him.

825
00:52:01,500 --> 00:52:05,200
And I think that that's a
perfect analogy for us that even

826
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,500
when we screw up, and we think
the, well I'm done.

827
00:52:08,500 --> 00:52:11,800
There's no hope for me.
God is still reaching out.

828
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,900
You know, David even if you even
if your podcast was you just

829
00:52:16,900 --> 00:52:19,300
talking about principles without
interviewing?

830
00:52:19,300 --> 00:52:23,700
Before I think I'd listen to it
non-stop because you're hitting

831
00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:28,300
on so many great principles, I
Love The Gospel and how much how

832
00:52:28,300 --> 00:52:33,000
much God seeks after us.
I love how you put that I've

833
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,800
noticed in my own life, no
matter how far down the rabbit

834
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,600
hole, I go, no matter how far
I've departed from the gospel

835
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:45,800
and turn my back on it and ran
Every time I've turned around,

836
00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:48,900
the Savior was one step away
with his arms wide open.

837
00:52:49,300 --> 00:52:56,100
Absolutely, absolutely.
You know, I Look, being a Mormon

838
00:52:56,100 --> 00:52:59,600
is not fun of any Stripe, Right.
I mean, there's a there's joy

839
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,100
there.
I don't want to want to say

840
00:53:01,100 --> 00:53:04,800
that, there's not Joey there,
but I remember when I got up off

841
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,300
my knees, praying, I was like, I
don't want to be a Mormon,

842
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,000
they're weird.
Right?

843
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,700
And then you really double down
and you go full fundamentalist.

844
00:53:14,700 --> 00:53:18,300
And then you're like, oh, this
is getting way back, right?

845
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,400
Where I was, I was really pissed
about three our church and now

846
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,800
it just went way beyond that.
So so, yeah.

847
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:32,700
I I think that that even in
those times, right?

848
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:39,500
You can always you you look back
after the trials over or after

849
00:53:39,500 --> 00:53:42,100
you've decided to look around.
You're like he wasn't that far

850
00:53:42,100 --> 00:53:44,600
away from me ever.
And I like what you said there

851
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,700
David about turning around and
seeing the Savior there, so to

852
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:52,700
speak with his arms wide open.
So I and again, that goes back

853
00:53:52,700 --> 00:53:57,700
to that whole Anything on our
part that that we should be able

854
00:53:57,700 --> 00:54:01,600
to look back in history and see,
not only a person's successes

855
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,200
but maybe even their failures in
their shortcomings.

856
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:09,100
But then go wait a second.
That guy was flawed, God still

857
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:12,500
used him.
Maybe he can use me.

858
00:54:13,900 --> 00:54:15,000
Yeah.
Absolutely.

859
00:54:15,100 --> 00:54:21,200
You know, there's there's a
great example in Alma, the

860
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:27,600
younger Saul who became Paul
man, they were vile.

861
00:54:29,100 --> 00:54:32,800
Absolutely vile.
And when they turned to the

862
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,300
Lord, the Lord didn't squish
their passion.

863
00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:42,600
They just redirected it and
that, and they were so valuable

864
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,600
to the cause of God, because
they maintains the passion.

865
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,400
But there it was redirected
towards glorifying the Lord.

866
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,700
And so, any of the like we have
an identity, you you have an

867
00:54:53,700 --> 00:54:56,300
identity, I have an identity,
there's certain parts of us.

868
00:54:57,300 --> 00:55:03,900
That some may think is sinful.
Some may think that our

869
00:55:03,900 --> 00:55:07,300
personalities are without
manners or whatever.

870
00:55:08,300 --> 00:55:11,900
But ultimately, I think that
there's parts of us is long as

871
00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:17,100
it's not sinful.
That is actually meant to add

872
00:55:17,100 --> 00:55:21,000
variety and help the cause.
Absolutely.

873
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,600
Absolutely.
You know and I find it

874
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,200
fascinating because the more I
do these podcasts, the more I

875
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:29,800
realized.
Because at first, when I first

876
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,000
started this podcast, I got to
tell you David.

877
00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:34,800
I was super nervous.
Like I've never done this

878
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,900
before.
Congress, you're a pro at it.

879
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,300
Oh no.
I got a long ways to go but I

880
00:55:40,300 --> 00:55:43,500
remember.
And again, I've told this story

881
00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:45,200
so to the listeners, I
apologize.

882
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,300
This came to me when I was
laying in bed at 3 a.m. in the

883
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,200
Away from home for work and I
just never sleep.

884
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:58,000
Well, in hotels anyway, without
my family and this thought came

885
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,600
to me of doing this this podcast
and I'm like from a Mormon

886
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,800
fundamentalist point of view,
that's bat-crap crazy,

887
00:56:05,900 --> 00:56:11,000
absolutely not.
But likewise I see someone like

888
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,000
you, who's like, Movies told
from a Mormon fundamentalist

889
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,700
position, that's that's got a
good ring to it, right?

890
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,700
And so, but you have different
talents than I do.

891
00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:26,800
But if we can get past one
cannibalizing, each other and

892
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:31,200
then to just trusting that,
whatever your faults are, it's

893
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,000
okay.
It's okay.

894
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,600
Clean them up.
You're not hiding anything

895
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,500
really from God?
It's not like he's looking down

896
00:56:38,500 --> 00:56:40,800
going, well, that really
surprised me, right?

897
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,000
He knows clean.
Shut up.

898
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,900
And then go forward just go
forward and with Reckless

899
00:56:46,900 --> 00:56:52,100
abandon a little bit and it seen
folks like you doing your thing

900
00:56:52,100 --> 00:56:55,800
with just kind of a reckless
abandon that just I got to admit

901
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,900
it just kind of Jack's me up a
little bit.

902
00:56:58,900 --> 00:57:01,900
That's awesome.
Yeah I like that term Reckless

903
00:57:01,900 --> 00:57:06,300
abandonment really I've noticed
in in life and this is through

904
00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:11,300
many faults of my own that I
came to notice this is that

905
00:57:11,300 --> 00:57:14,300
really Reckless abandon what is
what is needed?

906
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,100
To really be effective.
I think there was the term you

907
00:57:18,100 --> 00:57:21,600
used earlier.
I think you said it was a

908
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:23,600
authenticity.
I think you mentioned

909
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,300
authenticity and there's another
term.

910
00:57:26,300 --> 00:57:30,500
I really like sincerity, anytime
that you notice that somebody is

911
00:57:30,500 --> 00:57:32,700
authentic and sincere about what
they're doing.

912
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,900
If there's a spirit that comes
with it.

913
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,700
Yeah, to where you you almost,
it's almost like you can't

914
00:57:40,700 --> 00:57:43,700
control, you almost have to
respect it to certain extent.

915
00:57:43,700 --> 00:57:46,900
It's not like you're forced to,
but it's just It commands

916
00:57:46,900 --> 00:57:51,100
respect and I want to talk about
that word sincerity.

917
00:57:51,100 --> 00:57:56,500
It comes from a Latin, a Latin
term called sink Sarah which

918
00:57:56,500 --> 00:58:01,300
means without wax and what
happened early on with with the

919
00:58:01,308 --> 00:58:04,300
Greeks and the Romans.
They would make these, you know,

920
00:58:04,300 --> 00:58:07,800
the Parthenon and these great
buildings and palaces and stuff

921
00:58:08,100 --> 00:58:10,900
and marble was just as hard to
come by back then.

922
00:58:10,900 --> 00:58:15,900
And it is now an expensive that
the Architects would sometimes.

923
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,700
Only use solid marble pillars
where they really needed to be

924
00:58:19,700 --> 00:58:21,700
structurally.
But then some of the inner

925
00:58:21,700 --> 00:58:26,000
structure they make pillars out
of wax and put a marble facade

926
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,500
around it and then Palace has
started to collapse.

927
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:35,200
And so they termed This this
term think Sarah which in the

928
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:40,700
English is sincerity or sincere.
To mean without wax marble

929
00:58:40,700 --> 00:58:46,200
through, and through the real
deal and I have noticed that it

930
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:51,600
one of my weaknesses is even
with with you and and many other

931
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,400
people I meet sometimes, I just
want to be cool.

932
00:58:55,100 --> 00:58:59,400
Sometimes I just wanted to fit
in and if if there's a

933
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:04,100
conversation that's happening
that where I see that there's

934
00:59:04,100 --> 00:59:09,700
some - Gossip Girl, Jim, which
is the spirit of the accuser

935
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,800
that I know is not good.
I'll kind of go along with it

936
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,600
because I don't want to be, you
know, insulted as being

937
00:59:15,700 --> 00:59:21,500
self-righteous or whatever.
But in reality every time that

938
00:59:21,500 --> 00:59:25,200
I've sincerely said, Hey, I
don't feel comfortable

939
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:29,700
participating in this.
I'm not accusing any of you guys

940
00:59:29,700 --> 00:59:31,600
and I don't want you guys to
feel like that I would ever say

941
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,300
these things about you when I'm
mad of your presence.

942
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:39,900
But I want to Bear testimony to
you that we should be building

943
00:59:39,900 --> 00:59:42,400
other people up rather than
tearing them down.

944
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:47,200
Every time I've been sincere
enough to Bear testimony I've

945
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,200
noticed a change in the spirit
in the room and I've seen it

946
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,700
with other people too.
When they bear testimony

947
00:59:52,700 --> 00:59:55,600
insincerity, it's a beautiful
thing.

948
00:59:56,100 --> 00:59:59,700
What's interesting to me is how
you combine, what was the term

949
00:59:59,700 --> 01:00:06,100
you used Reckless abandonment
with sincerity because I think

950
01:00:06,100 --> 01:00:08,600
the Reckless abandonment is
proof of your sincerity.

951
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:14,200
You're not a facade.
You are without wax your true if

952
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,600
you're true blue through and
through like Joseph F Smith.

953
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,100
You've heard that story Avenue.
Absolutely yeah.

954
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,200
Yeah.
I figured you probably heard

955
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,400
every story out there.
That's not true.

956
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,600
I the more I do these podcasts,
the more I realize.

957
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,000
Yeah, I still have so much to
learn, right?

958
01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:35,900
Which is part of the nice thing
about doing these podcasts.

959
01:00:35,900 --> 01:00:39,000
As I tend to hear a lot of
different points of view and in

960
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:45,000
doing So, it makes me realize,
you know, sometimes I think I

961
01:00:45,300 --> 01:00:48,000
and I think all of us do this to
a certain extent, or at least I

962
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,100
hope we do or else I'm really in
bad shape.

963
01:00:50,100 --> 01:00:55,000
But I think we all get to a
point times in our life, where

964
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,300
we feel like, oh, I've got this
figured out.

965
01:00:57,300 --> 01:00:59,400
I understand what I need to
understand.

966
01:01:00,500 --> 01:01:04,000
And when we do that, we kind of
start to close ourselves off

967
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:08,200
from maybe different experiences
or different point of views,

968
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,700
from which we can really glean a
lot of wisdom.

969
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,300
And so one thing with this
podcast is it is taught me that

970
01:01:16,700 --> 01:01:18,700
yeah you don't know as much as
you think, you know.

971
01:01:19,900 --> 01:01:24,300
So in sometimes it's almost
resembled how my discipleship

972
01:01:24,300 --> 01:01:26,400
has been with my savior as well,
right?

973
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,500
Where it seems like, I get
closer to the savior in the

974
01:01:29,500 --> 01:01:34,100
more, the closer I get to him,
his light, really illuminates,

975
01:01:34,100 --> 01:01:37,200
all of my flaws.
And I'm, I'm once again, going

976
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,100
back and trying to do a little
bit better.

977
01:01:40,900 --> 01:01:44,100
That's a very, very, very good
observation.

978
01:01:44,300 --> 01:01:48,000
And I would like to add a second
witness to that, not not your

979
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,000
flaws, particularly my own.
Oh, you can add to them.

980
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:52,800
I got plenty of room, you can do
that.

981
01:01:53,900 --> 01:01:57,800
I've just noticed that many it.
Anytime when I've needed

982
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:04,200
Revelation to direct my own
family and or on an important

983
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:08,500
subject where I need further
light and knowledge in need time

984
01:02:08,500 --> 01:02:12,500
when I've got Myself in a humble
enough position and I go to the

985
01:02:12,500 --> 01:02:15,300
Lord that his Spirit actually
start speaking to me.

986
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,000
I'm I'm pointed out.
What?

987
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:23,800
I've got to deal with.
I'm told things, like, I've got

988
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:28,000
my heart set too much tip on,
frivolous things that keep me

989
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,900
from learning the things that I
ought to be learning.

990
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:35,600
There's usually just a
chastisement that comes with it

991
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,300
and it's a gentle 12 merciful
one.

992
01:02:39,500 --> 01:02:43,200
When those laws are pointed out
to us, then we have an

993
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,600
opportunity of overcoming them
and that's what's so beautiful

994
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,600
about having your flaws pointed
out.

995
01:02:48,700 --> 01:02:52,200
I love that personally and what
you're saying about the podcast

996
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,400
and learning so much.
There's a really, really good

997
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:58,300
quote.
I like it says, if all you, if

998
01:02:58,300 --> 01:03:02,400
you always do what you've always
done, you'll always get what

999
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,900
you've always got, and it's
pretty simple quote.

1000
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,800
But that's one thing and I'm
kind of like you except for I

1001
01:03:09,808 --> 01:03:12,400
never did a podcast but I've
gotten around to different

1002
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:16,500
communities, different different
people and it's so amazing to

1003
01:03:16,508 --> 01:03:18,700
visit with them.
You get a lot of different

1004
01:03:18,700 --> 01:03:23,200
perspectives that really
actually just add, they broaden

1005
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,300
Your Horizon.
If you're open to learn and I've

1006
01:03:26,300 --> 01:03:30,700
learned a tremendous amount from
that to one of the things that

1007
01:03:30,700 --> 01:03:34,400
you touched on that, I'd like to
emphasize too.

1008
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:41,000
Is.
Well, now, that I think about

1009
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,900
it, I'm having a stupor of
thoughts, maybe it's not

1010
01:03:43,900 --> 01:03:46,300
important, that that's all
right.

1011
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,400
If it comes to you you
definitely bring it, bring it

1012
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,300
back up.
But one of the things that that

1013
01:03:53,300 --> 01:03:58,200
I've noticed, sometimes as
Mormons from every group or

1014
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:05,100
independent position, tend to
forget is that Brig Joseph said

1015
01:04:05,100 --> 01:04:07,000
it and then bring them also
emphasized.

1016
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,800
Is that mormonism's about
gathering in all truth?

1017
01:04:11,300 --> 01:04:15,200
Yeah, right.
And if we close ourselves off

1018
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,900
from other people because
they're not, Well, one of us,

1019
01:04:19,500 --> 01:04:24,300
we're not truly Mormon.
I don't think I agree.

1020
01:04:24,300 --> 01:04:27,900
And I would, I would add we're
not fundamentalist Mormon

1021
01:04:27,900 --> 01:04:31,500
because the the adjectives the
Joseph used is, it's a

1022
01:04:31,500 --> 01:04:35,400
fundamental principle of
Mormonism to accept truth.

1023
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:40,500
Let it come from whence it me.
Absolutely absolutely.

1024
01:04:42,100 --> 01:04:45,700
So we've talked a little bit
here about how the scripts are

1025
01:04:45,700 --> 01:04:47,500
coming together and about
filming in.

1026
01:04:47,700 --> 01:04:49,900
That sort of stuff.
Have you thought about how

1027
01:04:49,900 --> 01:04:54,000
you're going to do distribution?
I have.

1028
01:04:54,600 --> 01:05:00,600
And it's that once a really
tough one because you will not

1029
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:06,200
find very many people that are
excited to distribute Mormon

1030
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,900
material, let alone
fundamentalist Mormon material,

1031
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:15,900
if it makes the Mormons look bad
and Brigham Young look like a

1032
01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:18,100
crook.
They want to distribute it.

1033
01:05:19,300 --> 01:05:22,000
But if it makes them look good,
they want nothing to do with it.

1034
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:26,700
So becomes very, very tricky.
No. one of the things that I'm

1035
01:05:26,700 --> 01:05:31,900
working on is actually just
having a website, And the

1036
01:05:31,900 --> 01:05:35,900
website would be to where people
can go and watch these stories.

1037
01:05:35,900 --> 01:05:39,700
Absolutely free but have
something like you have set up

1038
01:05:39,700 --> 01:05:43,500
with your podcast that there's
an option that they can donate

1039
01:05:44,100 --> 01:05:50,200
if they want to see more content
or to do just like a monthly, I

1040
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,900
don't know what they call it.
But Be a monthly donor.

1041
01:05:53,900 --> 01:05:58,500
Yeah.
A monthly donation and Whether

1042
01:05:58,500 --> 01:06:02,200
whether that pays for the
production or not isn't what's

1043
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:06,600
important to me, I would always
be a help I intend to use

1044
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,700
whatever resources.
I have to make it happen

1045
01:06:08,700 --> 01:06:12,700
regardless but I honestly think
the best thing to do is to have

1046
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:18,300
a specific website dedicated to
the telling of these stories

1047
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:23,900
where people can view it.
You know, I as you were

1048
01:06:23,900 --> 01:06:27,900
describing it, I don't think
that that's a Our out model to

1049
01:06:27,900 --> 01:06:30,100
have right.
Take, for example.

1050
01:06:30,100 --> 01:06:33,900
And have you seen the chosen I
have?

1051
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:37,200
Yeah, I'm actually.
I actually had several

1052
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:40,500
conversations with the director
before he actually got full-on

1053
01:06:40,500 --> 01:06:44,100
in the chosen.
That was all crowd-sourced, if

1054
01:06:44,100 --> 01:06:48,400
I'm not mistaken, right?
That was all funded by by folks

1055
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,800
who just saw the value in it and
went for it.

1056
01:06:52,300 --> 01:06:59,500
And I think people are really
hungry for For honest content,

1057
01:06:59,500 --> 01:07:04,200
right?
Even if even if they don't agree

1058
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:08,300
with with part of the message or
whatever, I think, they're,

1059
01:07:08,300 --> 01:07:11,800
they're hungering for
authenticity, and for good

1060
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,600
content.
And so I don't, I don't think

1061
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,000
that, that model is, is far out
anymore.

1062
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,300
I think, I think maybe a decade
ago, it may have seemed

1063
01:07:20,300 --> 01:07:24,400
unattainable but we're in this
weird place.

1064
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:29,900
Now, where if, as a as a race of
people, so to speak as the human

1065
01:07:29,900 --> 01:07:33,500
race is right now, if we can
manage not to blow ourselves up

1066
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:38,400
or do something stupid, Never
before in history, has the

1067
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,900
middleman or the gatekeeper been
under as much?

1068
01:07:42,900 --> 01:07:45,600
Duress is what they are now,
right?

1069
01:07:46,500 --> 01:07:49,200
The decade ago, if you just
said, hey, you could fire up a

1070
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:52,300
podcast on Mormon fundamentalism
where you could print, you know,

1071
01:07:52,300 --> 01:07:56,400
you could direct films on on,
Mormon fundamentalism.

1072
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,900
Good luck, right?
That wasn't going to happen

1073
01:07:59,900 --> 01:08:02,200
because you had to go through a
certain amount of Gatekeepers.

1074
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:05,300
We don't see that now, right?
Right there.

1075
01:08:05,500 --> 01:08:11,900
There is a lot of Liberty with
the technology that we have and

1076
01:08:11,900 --> 01:08:16,000
it's incredible.
I like the resources that we

1077
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:17,600
have.
I like the chances that we have.

1078
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:23,200
In fact, I've said this before,
but I fully believe that if if

1079
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:26,500
Joseph Smith and his Brethren
would have had access to film

1080
01:08:27,300 --> 01:08:30,000
and their day and time, they
would have utilized it for

1081
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,399
missionary purposes to the best
of their ability.

1082
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,100
Absolutely.
They would have I think we live

1083
01:08:36,100 --> 01:08:41,100
in a time now where any of those
men would have given their left

1084
01:08:41,100 --> 01:08:43,700
arms, whether it's about, you
know, the gospel with Joseph

1085
01:08:43,700 --> 01:08:49,300
Smith and Brigham Young or if it
was, you know, Thomas Paine.

1086
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:53,899
They would have given their left
arm to have the reach that we

1087
01:08:53,899 --> 01:08:57,500
have today.
Absolutely, if we can just

1088
01:08:57,500 --> 01:09:02,000
manage not to screw ourselves
over to badly, I think we could

1089
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,100
be coming into a time to where
we could see messages.

1090
01:09:05,399 --> 01:09:09,300
Thrive like never before.
I don't say this to toot my own

1091
01:09:09,300 --> 01:09:10,300
horn.
I say this.

1092
01:09:10,300 --> 01:09:13,200
To, to give try to maybe give
you a little bit of

1093
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,000
encouragement.
When I first started this

1094
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,300
podcast, I'm like okay, it's
going to be me and six other

1095
01:09:17,300 --> 01:09:20,000
people, right.
I'm going to talk to six people,

1096
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:25,200
probably worldwide.
I did not anticipate the amount

1097
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:28,399
of feedback I got.
I got folks from England and

1098
01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:31,000
France that have messaged me
late at night.

1099
01:09:32,100 --> 01:09:34,300
Want to know where they can find
resources and stuff.

1100
01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:37,399
It's it's nuts, right?
That's an inaudible.

1101
01:09:37,899 --> 01:09:39,600
I get a little freaked out when
I think about it.

1102
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:44,899
So I try not to think about it
too much, but yeah, I think

1103
01:09:44,899 --> 01:09:47,399
we're in an amazing time, and I
think the model you're thinking

1104
01:09:47,399 --> 01:09:51,700
of is going to work, just fine.
If you don't mind me asking

1105
01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:56,700
where it costs, a lot of money
to produce a film, right?

1106
01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:00,900
Even a short film.
What kind how have you been able

1107
01:10:00,900 --> 01:10:03,200
to?
Are you just writing checks out

1108
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,900
your personal account to do this
or have you had any sort of

1109
01:10:05,900 --> 01:10:08,400
funding or what are you looking
like that way?

1110
01:10:09,500 --> 01:10:14,300
Well currently currently, yes, I
am writing out checks to do this

1111
01:10:14,900 --> 01:10:19,300
but usually what I will do, if I
have enough money, when a

1112
01:10:19,300 --> 01:10:23,300
paycheck comes in, then I will
definitely take out my 10% for

1113
01:10:23,308 --> 01:10:27,900
tithing.
And if I have a little extra, I

1114
01:10:27,900 --> 01:10:31,000
also have a percentage that I
set aside for getting the

1115
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,300
messages out, and that's, that's
in field.

1116
01:10:34,300 --> 01:10:36,700
Now, some of my, some of my
actors.

1117
01:10:36,700 --> 01:10:42,700
I'll pay Some of them are like I
don't want some of them are they

1118
01:10:42,700 --> 01:10:44,800
want to help?
They genuinely want to help and

1119
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:48,600
some of my crew as well.
There's a very talented crew

1120
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:52,900
member that I have that you know
like us also has the name David

1121
01:10:52,900 --> 01:10:58,900
which is very nice and he's a
very talented guy and with him.

1122
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:04,400
He we just trade, he has films
that he likes to work on and he

1123
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:06,800
likes my help and I have films
that I like to work on.

1124
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:11,000
I like, Has helped so we just
trade that way but currently

1125
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:14,700
yes.
I'm basically financing

1126
01:11:14,700 --> 01:11:20,000
everything and I don't want that
to take for my family too much.

1127
01:11:20,700 --> 01:11:24,200
If that's the way it has to be,
that's the way it will be and

1128
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,600
I'll continue to do it because I
won't let the lack of Financial

1129
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:29,000
Resources.
Hold me back.

1130
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:37,600
Man, it sounds a lot like me
firing this thing up to date.

1131
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:41,700
Full disclosure, one of the
87,000 IRS new IRS.

1132
01:11:41,700 --> 01:11:43,900
Agents can come for it to this
point.

1133
01:11:43,900 --> 01:11:48,800
I have made exactly $150 off of
welding, right?

1134
01:11:49,300 --> 01:11:54,300
But but I just want to keep it
afloat.

1135
01:11:54,300 --> 01:11:56,900
I'm not looking to make a meal.
That's right.

1136
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:00,800
I just want to keep it afloat
because I feel in a weird way

1137
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:04,600
like I was called to do this.
So if this thing never makes a

1138
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:08,500
penny but I can maintain it.
I'm cool, right?

1139
01:12:08,500 --> 01:12:12,000
This is this is what I was
tasked to do and this is what

1140
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:15,200
I'll do.
So in you describing that it, I

1141
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:18,600
can totally identify with how
how you feel about it.

1142
01:12:19,300 --> 01:12:21,300
Well, we'll see David, it's
beautiful.

1143
01:12:21,300 --> 01:12:25,700
What you're doing to be Is
there's so many things that we

1144
01:12:25,700 --> 01:12:28,700
could listen to.
And I don't mean this to toot,

1145
01:12:28,700 --> 01:12:32,100
your horn either.
But, but you are very engaging.

1146
01:12:32,900 --> 01:12:36,100
I love love your enthusiasm.
Your excitement for the gospel

1147
01:12:36,100 --> 01:12:39,400
is just beautiful, and I think
that that's lacking in a lot of

1148
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:42,800
areas, but even listening to
your podcast, I can get a little

1149
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:46,100
bit jazzed about the gospel to,
it's a very beautiful missionary

1150
01:12:46,100 --> 01:12:47,900
work.
So, even if it's not lucrative

1151
01:12:47,900 --> 01:12:52,400
in any way, shape, or form in
terms of our economic standard,

1152
01:12:53,700 --> 01:12:56,300
I think that there's Treasures
in Heaven for anybody who's

1153
01:12:56,300 --> 01:13:00,300
willing to get a good message
out to the glory of God.

1154
01:13:00,500 --> 01:13:04,000
I really do, I do too.
And I told people as I've

1155
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:07,100
talked, as I've had other guests
on, I've told them, man, you

1156
01:13:07,100 --> 01:13:13,600
should start a podcast and and
I'm like, if my voice, I

1157
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:17,700
shouldn't and I'm not.
But if anyone ever tells you you

1158
01:13:17,700 --> 01:13:21,100
shouldn't do it.
You should really take a hard

1159
01:13:21,100 --> 01:13:23,100
look on why it is.
They wouldn't want you to.

1160
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:25,200
The more voices we have the
better off.

1161
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:27,700
We are.
I agree.

1162
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:29,600
I like the prospective.
Go ahead, sorry.

1163
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:31,200
No, you're good.
You're good.

1164
01:13:31,300 --> 01:13:37,500
Um, when you were first starting
this up, was it intimidating to

1165
01:13:37,500 --> 01:13:39,800
you?
Or was it just what you did for

1166
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,300
work anyway?
Or tell me about that?

1167
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,700
Oh sure.
Full disclosure.

1168
01:13:47,900 --> 01:13:51,900
When I first started filmmaking,
it was to impress a girl.

1169
01:13:53,900 --> 01:13:59,000
Yeah, but when I actually
started doing it because I had

1170
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:02,700
never thought of it before until
her and her sisters were talking

1171
01:14:02,700 --> 01:14:05,300
one day, hey, would be really
neat to take our sisters story

1172
01:14:05,300 --> 01:14:08,300
and make it into a movie and
some people in the room asked

1173
01:14:08,300 --> 01:14:10,000
why?
And for some reason, I just ask

1174
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,600
why not?
And that week, I bought a video

1175
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,800
camera and never touched one
before.

1176
01:14:15,500 --> 01:14:19,400
And here I am for features and
Civic shorts later.

1177
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:27,300
Quite enamored by the process
and the the potential of it.

1178
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:31,800
Basically, the idea behind Zion
Productions.

1179
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:36,300
And if you've seen my, my blurb
Zion Productions, pure in heart,

1180
01:14:36,300 --> 01:14:39,900
the idea is to help us to become
pure in heart for Zion is the

1181
01:14:39,900 --> 01:14:43,700
pure in heart.
And if you've ever seen a movie,

1182
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,800
That just inspired you and
uplifted your soul, you know

1183
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:51,300
what it's capable of doing?
And I know that I've been

1184
01:14:51,300 --> 01:14:56,900
uplifted by movies, I would like
just point one, one particular,

1185
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,600
one out.
It's called 17 Miracles, he

1186
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:03,700
Christensen, put it out.
There's an instance, in that

1187
01:15:03,700 --> 01:15:06,800
movie and, and I've read the
account.

1188
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,000
So, I know they verified this
account.

1189
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:14,700
But there's an instance in
there, where this man and woman

1190
01:15:14,700 --> 01:15:18,700
had their daughter freeze to
death on the plains.

1191
01:15:20,500 --> 01:15:23,400
And it's two for the grounds to
Frozen.

1192
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:27,300
They can't dig a hole and it's
too cold to just sit there and

1193
01:15:27,300 --> 01:15:30,500
mourn.
The company has to keep moving

1194
01:15:31,300 --> 01:15:33,500
and Captain Willie was pretty
determined.

1195
01:15:33,500 --> 01:15:36,100
We got to keep the Hand cards
moving, we're going to freeze to

1196
01:15:36,100 --> 01:15:42,800
death and so in their sorrow,
They leave their daughter, their

1197
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:46,800
dead daughter behind cover her
in a blanket on top of the icy

1198
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:52,600
ground and start to go.
And the mother, all the sudden

1199
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:57,200
says what are we doing?
And the dad responds.

1200
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,700
What are you doing?
What are we doing?

1201
01:16:00,100 --> 01:16:02,200
I'm going back for our daughter
and she starts heading back.

1202
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:04,300
He's like why we got to keep up
with the company.

1203
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:09,000
The company is leaving us and
she says, a servant of the Lord

1204
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:14,400
promised us promised me that if
I would live the gospel to the

1205
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:17,300
best of my ability, every one of
our family would make it to the

1206
01:16:17,300 --> 01:16:22,100
valley alive.
And she runs back on that faith

1207
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:25,300
and she goes and starts warming
up water.

1208
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:30,600
Takes that warm water and starts
just gently caressing her

1209
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:32,900
daughter.
And her daughter comes back to

1210
01:16:32,900 --> 01:16:37,300
life.
That amount of faith that was so

1211
01:16:37,300 --> 01:16:39,900
well.
Displayed in this movie is what

1212
01:16:39,900 --> 01:16:43,500
I think we're missing in my
point with it, that I noticed is

1213
01:16:43,500 --> 01:16:48,300
she believed more in a in the
promise of a servant of the Lord

1214
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:54,600
than in her own experience.
Well, that is a remarkable

1215
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:56,700
amount of faith.
And it inspired me so much to

1216
01:16:56,700 --> 01:17:01,500
see that in a film.
That it just Jazz me as a

1217
01:17:01,500 --> 01:17:04,300
filmmaker.
Even more to say, hey, if that

1218
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:09,100
if that film can do that to me,
I want to make sure that I

1219
01:17:09,300 --> 01:17:11,800
basically carry the torch on to
the next person.

1220
01:17:12,700 --> 01:17:14,500
Those things can Inspire our
souls.

1221
01:17:18,300 --> 01:17:22,900
One of the one of the things
that I find so fascinating about

1222
01:17:22,900 --> 01:17:29,100
what you're doing.
Is you're looking to impact make

1223
01:17:29,100 --> 01:17:33,900
an impact, right?
You're looking to put something

1224
01:17:33,900 --> 01:17:36,500
out there.
That is not just Faith

1225
01:17:36,500 --> 01:17:40,300
promoting.
But not only deepens your faith,

1226
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:46,800
but appeals to, to the best of
us, right?

1227
01:17:47,300 --> 01:17:51,400
Yeah, and If there's one thing
that I've noticed in being a

1228
01:17:51,407 --> 01:17:57,700
fundamentalist is that we tend
and I understand why I do I get

1229
01:17:57,700 --> 01:18:01,100
it, we tend to hide our light
under a bushel.

1230
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:06,400
Because there has been
persecutions, right?

1231
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,500
I get that, I get that
wholeheartedly.

1232
01:18:11,300 --> 01:18:13,700
But I think we're in a different
time now.

1233
01:18:13,700 --> 01:18:16,000
David and you can correct me if
I'm wrong.

1234
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:21,400
You've been a fundamentalist a
lot longer than I have but As

1235
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:23,700
times have changed, all of a
sudden.

1236
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:27,600
A dude with two wives and
believe some far-out stuff about

1237
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,500
God doesn't seem quite as bad as
it used to.

1238
01:18:31,300 --> 01:18:36,100
It does seem like people are a
lot more lenient and and

1239
01:18:36,100 --> 01:18:38,900
accepting, I guess of that.
Like, it doesn't bother them as

1240
01:18:38,900 --> 01:18:40,400
much as it used to.
I would agree.

1241
01:18:41,100 --> 01:18:46,300
And, and because we live in this
environment now, I feel like

1242
01:18:46,300 --> 01:18:50,100
it's incumbent upon those of us
who maybe didn't share in the

1243
01:18:50,100 --> 01:18:53,500
experiences of folks that came
before us.

1244
01:18:53,500 --> 01:18:57,300
And I am super thankful for the
folks that came before me with

1245
01:18:57,300 --> 01:19:00,400
in Mormonism.
A guy who was never a Mormon

1246
01:19:00,700 --> 01:19:04,500
that stuck to their guns and
lived it and even lived it in

1247
01:19:04,500 --> 01:19:08,700
hiding.
So I'm so thankful for them.

1248
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:15,000
But if we're looking backwards
to do it just like they did it,

1249
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:21,500
we're not we're not exploring
what our mission should be, and

1250
01:19:22,500 --> 01:19:27,300
I think today, rather than
hiding we need to start becoming

1251
01:19:27,300 --> 01:19:33,500
change agents within Society.
I think you touched on one of

1252
01:19:33,500 --> 01:19:37,800
the most important principles
and one of the most important or

1253
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:41,600
one of the biggest reasons, That
I'm doing this because I've had

1254
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:45,000
a lot of people come up to me
and say, what, what's the point

1255
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:46,100
of this plural?
Marriage.

1256
01:19:46,100 --> 01:19:49,400
Think why is that important?
What does that actually do?

1257
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:56,000
It's so hard for people to live
and The question that I asked

1258
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:59,600
them back as well.
Would you agree that our modern

1259
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:04,400
society is on point on target?
But they're on the right path.

1260
01:20:04,700 --> 01:20:07,900
And every time the answer is no,
I think we're, I think we're a

1261
01:20:07,907 --> 01:20:11,900
mess.
And so, my response to them is

1262
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:19,100
in the United States in order.
Well, I studied demographics, so

1263
01:20:20,100 --> 01:20:26,900
in order for a species to
survive That species has to have

1264
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:29,800
at least a two point.
One fertility rate.

1265
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:33,600
That means you take a man and a
woman to people and they need to

1266
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:39,600
produce 2.1 people on average
for that racer that Society to

1267
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:45,700
even survive in America.
We currently have 2.1 people per

1268
01:20:45,700 --> 01:20:53,500
family among whites.
Among the Muslim Community in

1269
01:20:53,500 --> 01:21:01,700
America, they averaged 8.7.
He a family. in Germany, the

1270
01:21:01,700 --> 01:21:05,900
German government recently
released a statement that said,

1271
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:11,500
by the year 2050, they would
become a full-on Muslim Nation

1272
01:21:12,100 --> 01:21:19,500
by fertility alone, mmm-hmm So
if you look at Jacob to because

1273
01:21:19,500 --> 01:21:24,800
people like to quote that a lot,
look at Jacob to verse 30, when

1274
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:28,000
the Lord had basically said,
tells the Nephites you are to

1275
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:33,000
have.
But one wife he says For if I

1276
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:36,700
will raise up seed unto myself,
I will command my people.

1277
01:21:38,500 --> 01:21:43,300
If Society is a degraded, It's
because of the people that make

1278
01:21:43,300 --> 01:21:47,600
up that Society.
So what better time for the Lord

1279
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,900
to actually say, hey societies
about to become degraded.

1280
01:21:51,300 --> 01:21:56,200
I need a people that represent
my holy name, my laws and are

1281
01:21:56,200 --> 01:22:00,800
determined to keep them and you
find a Few Good Men that are

1282
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:03,400
willing to take on multiple
women and good women that are

1283
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:06,300
willing to work in that type of
family unit.

1284
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:11,100
And what the result is, if
people stay true to the Gospel

1285
01:22:11,100 --> 01:22:13,300
of Jesus Christ is good
children.

1286
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:18,100
Those children grow up and
become tomorrow's Society.

1287
01:22:20,100 --> 01:22:25,300
So in effect, plural marriage is
designed to create a god-like

1288
01:22:25,300 --> 01:22:29,200
society.
Absolutely.

1289
01:22:30,100 --> 01:22:35,300
Absolutely.
I remember so I don't know if

1290
01:22:35,300 --> 01:22:37,400
you've listened to any episodes
of the podcast.

1291
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:39,800
And again, I'm going to say
something I said on here before

1292
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:42,700
and I apologize to the listener,
but I practice plural.

1293
01:22:42,700 --> 01:22:47,900
Marriage, for, for a time, about
6 years and one of the things

1294
01:22:47,900 --> 01:22:51,600
that dawned on me was, is that
in the LDS church weekend to

1295
01:22:51,608 --> 01:22:54,600
look around and go like, okay,
where's Ian, where, how are we

1296
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:58,600
going to build Zion?
And it dawned on me one day that

1297
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:03,600
you can't build a Zion Society
until you have, Zion families,

1298
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:09,800
Agreed 100% agreed, and until we
get that basic building block

1299
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:14,600
down, I don't think we'll ever
see Zion, like, we think or

1300
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:18,300
like, we hope to see it.
I so agree with that, thought

1301
01:23:18,300 --> 01:23:22,200
process.
And, and so yeah, no, I agree

1302
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:23,900
with you, wholeheartedly is
plural.

1303
01:23:23,900 --> 01:23:27,200
Marriage was designed to create
strong families with strong

1304
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:31,100
children, period.
One of the things I want to

1305
01:23:31,100 --> 01:23:34,400
mention with that demographics
thing I was telling you about

1306
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:40,800
that among the fertility rate of
2.1, white Americans.

1307
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:45,000
The nation is currently at the
bare minimum for that species to

1308
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:49,700
survive.
That only factors in Birth

1309
01:23:49,700 --> 01:23:53,400
certificate, you know, right?
Legal legal ones.

1310
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:58,900
If they were to go and redo the
demographics and take all the

1311
01:23:58,900 --> 01:24:02,700
polygamists and put that in
factor that and I think you'd

1312
01:24:02,700 --> 01:24:06,300
see a lot higher number.
Yeah, no II would agree with

1313
01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:08,300
that.
I would agree with that.

1314
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:16,200
I I think the other thing is, is
that we're supposed to proclaim

1315
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:19,900
the gospel, right?
And because fundamentalist

1316
01:24:19,900 --> 01:24:24,700
Mormons, you're so fractured.
There's there's a few groups who

1317
01:24:24,700 --> 01:24:29,800
do send out missionaries but by
and large it's pretty tough to

1318
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:33,100
get that message out.
And one of the things I look at

1319
01:24:33,100 --> 01:24:36,300
through film, and what you're
doing is that it has a

1320
01:24:36,300 --> 01:24:40,200
tremendous ability to to reach
people.

1321
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:42,300
Is that something that you gave
thought to?

1322
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:47,700
Absolutely, that's basically the
big reason behind it.

1323
01:24:48,500 --> 01:24:52,700
We need people, we need more
people to help.

1324
01:24:52,900 --> 01:24:54,700
Build.
This is Ian society that we're

1325
01:24:54,700 --> 01:24:58,200
talking about, but it starts
with becoming pure in heart, it

1326
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:03,800
starts with Desiring to be pure
in heart, and if a film can

1327
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:09,100
affect me, the way that 17
miracles did war other films,

1328
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:13,800
Then we need to get more of that
type of content out there

1329
01:25:13,900 --> 01:25:17,400
otherwise Hollywood's win in the
battle and we know who's running

1330
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:21,400
that show.
Absolutely, you know, it's

1331
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:25,500
interesting I was really close
to my dad and one of the things

1332
01:25:25,500 --> 01:25:28,400
my Dad loved to do was watch
John Wayne movies.

1333
01:25:30,100 --> 01:25:32,900
And and so I got a soft spot in
my heart for John Wayne I really

1334
01:25:32,900 --> 01:25:36,500
do.
But they were such good movies

1335
01:25:36,500 --> 01:25:39,900
because the good guys were good.
The bad guys were bad.

1336
01:25:40,300 --> 01:25:44,600
They didn't glorify evil and it
was a film.

1337
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:46,800
You could just watch and enjoy,
right?

1338
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,900
And not have to worry about a
bunch of garbage being laced in

1339
01:25:49,900 --> 01:25:53,700
there.
Sure and what I've noticed come

1340
01:25:53,700 --> 01:25:58,900
out of Hollywood at least the
last and certainly in the time

1341
01:25:58,900 --> 01:26:02,300
I've been alive and probably a
little bit before that is there

1342
01:26:02,300 --> 01:26:07,400
seems to be a self deprecation
of America in general and really

1343
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:13,500
anything that is wholesome and
And Faith promoting whatsoever.

1344
01:26:15,700 --> 01:26:18,400
In your time because you said,
you've done a little bit of work

1345
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:21,400
in there.
You must have seen some pretty

1346
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:24,400
gnarly stuff.
Absolutely.

1347
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:27,900
I'm not going to touch a whole
lot on that, but I do want to

1348
01:26:27,900 --> 01:26:36,300
comment just briefly there was
a, how do I put this?

1349
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:43,500
So I'm going to bring out the,
the flds a little bit and and I

1350
01:26:43,500 --> 01:26:46,500
love the flds, by the way, I
love the people there.

1351
01:26:48,300 --> 01:26:53,000
I've seen some things there that
you know, are disconcerting, but

1352
01:26:54,100 --> 01:26:55,800
you, there's some pure hearts
there.

1353
01:26:56,300 --> 01:27:00,000
So this isn't to Target the
flds.

1354
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:06,200
I'm just using it as an example,
but there was a Doctrine.

1355
01:27:06,500 --> 01:27:08,700
Some people call it.
The one man Doctrine.

1356
01:27:08,700 --> 01:27:14,500
Some people call One man is mm
that became not just prevalent

1357
01:27:14,500 --> 01:27:21,500
it was emphasized so much in
that society that at a certain

1358
01:27:21,500 --> 01:27:27,600
point what was being taught was
that if the prophet says

1359
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:31,800
something that contradicts
scripture, you go with what the

1360
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:35,900
prophet says.
And so the entire emphasis came

1361
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:39,700
just follow that Prophet
whatever he says even if The

1362
01:27:39,700 --> 01:27:41,800
next one says something
different than you follow.

1363
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:48,600
What the new one says.
So not just fundamentalist but

1364
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:52,500
the World At Large kind of
condemns that thought process a

1365
01:27:52,500 --> 01:27:58,500
little bit, but I got when I got
involved with filmmaking and

1366
01:27:58,500 --> 01:28:00,200
started working with a lot of
people.

1367
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:06,800
I noticed that they were all
trying to elevate their name in

1368
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:09,800
Hollywood.
So that they could get the

1369
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:13,300
better jobs, Etc.
So they could be famous or

1370
01:28:13,300 --> 01:28:19,500
respected, or feel validated for
whatever reason and anything

1371
01:28:19,500 --> 01:28:23,900
Hollywood would tell them to
think religiously politically or

1372
01:28:23,900 --> 01:28:29,800
otherwise, they would buy into a
wholeheartedly because what was

1373
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:34,000
being taught as it's not what
you know in the film industry,

1374
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:39,200
it's who, you know, And so the
big time ha shots in Hollywood

1375
01:28:39,700 --> 01:28:45,500
could influence any aspiring
filmmaker. to where they if they

1376
01:28:45,500 --> 01:28:48,300
said one political thing, the
aspiring filmmaker would buy

1377
01:28:48,300 --> 01:28:54,300
into it and essentially
Hollywood became the the

1378
01:28:54,300 --> 01:28:58,100
aspiring filmmakers infallible.
One man.

1379
01:28:59,500 --> 01:29:05,100
Infallible profit.
And Yeah, we came pretty gnarly

1380
01:29:05,900 --> 01:29:09,900
because whether they believe it
or not, it was a religion.

1381
01:29:09,900 --> 01:29:16,000
It is a religion.
And I've seen firsthand who

1382
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:18,700
heads it and that is Lucifer
himself.

1383
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:22,100
There are good people in
Hollywood.

1384
01:29:22,700 --> 01:29:25,200
I don't want to discredit that
there are good people.

1385
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:28,100
I've met really good Christian
people that are living right in

1386
01:29:28,100 --> 01:29:31,300
the heart of Hollywood trying to
produce good Christian content.

1387
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:35,800
but in my experience, As a
whole.

1388
01:29:37,100 --> 01:29:40,200
They all follow that one man
Doctrine, so to speak.

1389
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:45,400
And it had that man's name is
Hollywood.

1390
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:49,600
Yeah, no, I could I could
definitely see it.

1391
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:53,100
I and you can see it in certain
figures, right?

1392
01:29:53,100 --> 01:29:59,300
I think of Harvey Weinstein.
It's the same sort of abuse.

1393
01:29:59,300 --> 01:30:02,800
It's just in a different
religious context, right?

1394
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:07,600
I mean, yes, you had Warren
Jeffs, who was doing it from a

1395
01:30:08,500 --> 01:30:11,900
quasi, Mormon point of view.
And then you have Harvey

1396
01:30:11,900 --> 01:30:13,700
Weinstein, who was doing it from
a.

1397
01:30:13,700 --> 01:30:16,300
I will make you successful, but
it's still painful.

1398
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:20,300
Homage to the man.
Absolutely.

1399
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:22,300
Absolutely.
And that said it's a very

1400
01:30:22,300 --> 01:30:29,300
dangerous thing when I was there
because I had went to Hollywood

1401
01:30:29,300 --> 01:30:33,000
to discuss a movie with someone.
And this was when I was involved

1402
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:39,500
a little bit with Paramount, and
I was staying with the guy who

1403
01:30:39,500 --> 01:30:42,100
was subpoenaed to court, he was
supposed to show up to court the

1404
01:30:42,108 --> 01:30:46,000
next day, because he was being
sued for a million dollars when

1405
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,700
he had nothing to do with the
film except that he financed.

1406
01:30:48,700 --> 01:30:52,100
Most.
That and the lawsuit was because

1407
01:30:52,100 --> 01:30:55,800
the assistant director did more
directing than the director did.

1408
01:30:57,500 --> 01:31:00,200
And therefore, the assistant
director wanted to direct your

1409
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:06,500
credit and direct your pay.
And he was suing the producer

1410
01:31:07,500 --> 01:31:10,000
who just funded it but had
nothing to do with creating the

1411
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:15,200
film.
And during that time, I ended up

1412
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:16,700
talking to a lawyer in
Hollywood.

1413
01:31:16,700 --> 01:31:19,200
He says, what what's the first
thing you think of, when you

1414
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:22,500
hear the word Hollywood and I
said, oh movies, he says, oh you

1415
01:31:22,500 --> 01:31:24,000
think that's the big business,
huh?

1416
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:29,200
The biggest business in
Hollywood is lawsuits over who

1417
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:32,200
gets more money and who could
use herbs more credit.

1418
01:31:32,900 --> 01:31:35,700
He says that is by far the
biggest industry throughout

1419
01:31:35,700 --> 01:31:39,100
Hollywood.
And the reason I bring that up

1420
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:44,800
is because lawsuits Come from
accusations when people use

1421
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:49,900
accusation, they turn accuser.
And who is the accuser, right?

1422
01:31:50,700 --> 01:31:54,500
They take on that spirit and
it's very prevalent, very

1423
01:31:54,500 --> 01:31:59,300
prevalent.
It seems to be Not non-stop

1424
01:31:59,300 --> 01:32:02,200
non-stop accusation.
One person saying this about

1425
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:05,600
another person right and left.
And there is definitely that

1426
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,800
Spirit there.
That's how I recognized who was

1427
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:11,600
actually at the head of
Hollywood geez.

1428
01:32:13,700 --> 01:32:18,900
So let me ask you this David
what is your certainly you must

1429
01:32:18,900 --> 01:32:23,900
have had a vision on what what
the end game looks like for for

1430
01:32:23,900 --> 01:32:29,500
this this film company.
Are you wanting to just stay

1431
01:32:29,500 --> 01:32:34,000
with historical?
Got Mormon, kind of things, or

1432
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:36,500
do you want to Branch out and do
other things that maybe our

1433
01:32:36,500 --> 01:32:41,700
faith promoting and whatnot?
Simply put anything that will

1434
01:32:41,700 --> 01:32:46,200
help us become pure in heart,
okay, but, but for now, what

1435
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:49,900
I've noticed to be something
that just needs combat, it is

1436
01:32:49,900 --> 01:32:55,100
the historical revisionism and
and to basically just defend

1437
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:58,300
People like Joseph Smith,
Brigham Young, John Taylor at

1438
01:32:58,300 --> 01:33:02,600
cetera because they're targeted
heavily.

1439
01:33:03,500 --> 01:33:07,700
So that's where I'm starving.
I can't agree with you more.

1440
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:13,200
One of the things that I
discovered right after I started

1441
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:16,300
this podcast was, is that one
there?

1442
01:33:16,300 --> 01:33:19,200
There were movies coming out
that tried.

1443
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:22,700
I don't know if they tried
harder, if it was just a natural

1444
01:33:22,700 --> 01:33:25,500
outgrowth of, you know, the
film.

1445
01:33:25,700 --> 01:33:29,400
The street at large, but they
were painting anything having to

1446
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:33,700
do with Mormon fundamentalism in
a really negative light, right?

1447
01:33:33,900 --> 01:33:36,500
Yeah.
Promotes, Bloodshed and abuse

1448
01:33:36,500 --> 01:33:39,700
and all those things.
The other thing that I noticed,

1449
01:33:39,700 --> 01:33:44,900
right away in after starting
this podcast, was that there was

1450
01:33:44,900 --> 01:33:48,200
an element out there, who was
wanting to rewrite Mormon

1451
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:52,300
history, so that it could be
more palatable.

1452
01:33:53,300 --> 01:33:58,400
For everybody.
And what we got out of that were

1453
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:01,300
films.
Like who killed Joseph Smith?

1454
01:34:01,300 --> 01:34:05,800
I had Kimberly Watson Smith,
who's a devout member of the LDS

1455
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:10,300
church, but I think she's a
rockstar because she's great.

1456
01:34:10,300 --> 01:34:15,700
She goes, she goes hard after
this and to listen to her talk

1457
01:34:15,700 --> 01:34:19,100
and the time and effort, she has
put in is so important.

1458
01:34:19,500 --> 01:34:25,500
But I can't agree with you more,
that, that We have to have some

1459
01:34:25,500 --> 01:34:27,900
light coming from the other side
to counter some of that

1460
01:34:27,900 --> 01:34:30,000
Darkness.
Yeah.

1461
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:31,800
Agreed.
And I'm glad you mentioned

1462
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:33,700
Kimberly because she is the rock
star.

1463
01:34:33,700 --> 01:34:35,800
She is fantastic at what she
does.

1464
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:42,600
She's researches things very,
very deeply and Gets accused of

1465
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:46,400
being a traditionalist, that's a
term that historical revisionism

1466
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:49,600
like to throw out.
If it's a label there,

1467
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:51,700
traditionalists, they can't
improve.

1468
01:34:51,700 --> 01:34:54,300
Because there, there's so much
on the Traditions.

1469
01:34:54,300 --> 01:34:57,300
Well, I like the way Hugh Nibley
puts it.

1470
01:34:57,300 --> 01:35:01,200
He has this talk, he calls
change out of control.

1471
01:35:02,100 --> 01:35:04,800
Yeah.
And in that talk, he mentions

1472
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:09,800
how We've become so obsessed
with the idea of change that we

1473
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:13,200
think that everything needs
changed and that's called

1474
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:17,200
progress.
He says, but if we're ever going

1475
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:20,200
to get to where we need to be,
we need to recognize this.

1476
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:23,000
Some things need to be changed
as much as possible and some

1477
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:27,000
things as little as possible.
The ordinances, for example,

1478
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:30,900
right things that the Lord
specifically said do not change

1479
01:35:33,100 --> 01:35:38,000
and historical revisionists,
basically have taken the spirit

1480
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:43,100
of progressivism in saying that,
whatever change we decide is

1481
01:35:43,100 --> 01:35:47,000
actually progress.
And if you're not going to

1482
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:50,200
change something, you're not
even trying to improve.

1483
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:54,000
Absolutely.
As far as her being quote, label

1484
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:57,600
the traditionalist, I got some
people I could introduce those

1485
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:05,000
folks to that would make her
look, you know, but yeah, yeah

1486
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:09,300
yeah Mormonism.
I feel like right now, whether

1487
01:36:09,300 --> 01:36:13,600
that's LDS whether that's
fundamentalist group or

1488
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:18,000
independent fundamentalist we're
kind of in a war for our souls,

1489
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:19,600
right?
And definitely the cells of our

1490
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:25,700
kids and The sooner we recognize
were in that spot that were

1491
01:36:25,900 --> 01:36:28,400
placed on the in this
battlefield of ideas.

1492
01:36:28,700 --> 01:36:32,000
The sooner we can get down to
business of trying to repeal

1493
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:36,500
some of those attacks.
Absolutely agreed.

1494
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:41,000
I like the quote that says you
the best or the first step to

1495
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:44,500
overcoming, a problem is to
recognize there is 1.

1496
01:36:45,300 --> 01:36:47,600
And the second step is to
recognize what it is.

1497
01:36:48,500 --> 01:36:51,600
Stephen Covey says diagnosed
before you, prescribe and when

1498
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:55,900
it comes to raising our kids and
knowing how to bring them up,

1499
01:36:56,000 --> 01:37:00,600
righteously in a very
unrighteous environment, it

1500
01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:03,700
behooves us as parents to
diagnose a lot.

1501
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:08,800
Yep, and N it's if we're
reactive then we're going to

1502
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:12,200
start writing prescriptions for
our children without diagnosing,

1503
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:13,900
what the actually is the
problem.

1504
01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:18,800
And I think that in our
environment of hurry, hurry,

1505
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:20,800
hurry, get it done.
Get it done.

1506
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:24,200
Get it done.
We want it done yesterday then

1507
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:29,700
it tends to make us rich tasty
and make irrational decisions.

1508
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:35,300
And I believe that that's very
detrimental.

1509
01:37:35,500 --> 01:37:37,600
Patience is key in all of this,
I think.

1510
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:42,300
Yeah, I think you're right.
I think you're 100%, right.

1511
01:37:42,700 --> 01:37:46,300
It's nice to know that that not
not that the work that you're

1512
01:37:46,300 --> 01:37:49,800
doing now isn't super important
because certainly, I put my

1513
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:53,200
emphasis on it a little bit and
again next week I'm going to do

1514
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:57,000
another show another podcast
with again, someone very

1515
01:37:57,000 --> 01:38:04,200
recognizable that seeks to
combat that Great yet, that that

1516
01:38:04,300 --> 01:38:08,300
revisionist history, but to know
that you got some other interest

1517
01:38:08,300 --> 01:38:10,000
down the road.
That's kind of cool too.

1518
01:38:10,100 --> 01:38:14,500
There's so much great content
that has either been written or

1519
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:18,400
actual events that just never
get touched on.

1520
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:24,400
And to see someone like yourself
who's taken taking that

1521
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:27,100
challenge to, to bring that to
the Forefront.

1522
01:38:27,100 --> 01:38:30,900
Man, I can't tell you how much
I'm rooting for you and pray for

1523
01:38:30,900 --> 01:38:35,000
your efforts here, because Cuz I
think we're in a spot now where

1524
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:37,400
we have to be those change
agents, right?

1525
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:42,500
We have to be able, even to
people who aren't Mormon, we

1526
01:38:42,500 --> 01:38:44,900
have to be able to point to
something better.

1527
01:38:44,900 --> 01:38:49,500
Something pure something that
bears light, and not Darkness or

1528
01:38:49,500 --> 01:38:52,200
else, we're not fulfilling the
commission that the Savior gave

1529
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:57,500
us as being disciples 100%.
Anybody that's taken the

1530
01:38:57,500 --> 01:39:00,800
sacrament to take upon
ourselves, the name of Jesus

1531
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:05,200
Christ in the The bread
represents, we become the body

1532
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:07,800
of Christ.
His mission isn't finished.

1533
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:12,300
And since his, if his body was
here and it's glorified State,

1534
01:39:12,900 --> 01:39:15,800
we'd all be vanquished his
presence.

1535
01:39:16,700 --> 01:39:20,000
And so we've been given the
commission to continue his work.

1536
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:23,300
We've become his body in that
sense and we must rise up.

1537
01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:25,900
We must continue the work that
he's given us to do.

1538
01:39:25,900 --> 01:39:30,000
And and with that said, and I
absolutely hate to cut this

1539
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:34,300
short because I've so so enjoyed
this conversation, but I do need

1540
01:39:34,300 --> 01:39:41,400
to go, but I would like to say
that, with you, even anybody

1541
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:46,600
that sees any value in this
filmmaking Journey Please don't

1542
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:49,100
hesitate to contact me.
I'm looking for a network of

1543
01:39:49,100 --> 01:39:52,200
people that want to share in
this type of Mission to share a

1544
01:39:52,700 --> 01:39:55,600
good messages that are both from
a historical perspective and

1545
01:39:55,600 --> 01:40:00,600
just something that promotes the
pure in heart and I would love

1546
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:04,600
to hear from people and start
Gathering resources and stories

1547
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:09,800
and different things that would
would really help get us into

1548
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:15,600
more of a Zion mindset and I am
open to advice opinions.

1549
01:40:15,900 --> 01:40:18,500
Corrections.
If you have any for me, David,

1550
01:40:18,500 --> 01:40:21,500
you're free to correct me on
some things because I want to

1551
01:40:21,508 --> 01:40:25,500
learn.
I really do and want to share

1552
01:40:25,500 --> 01:40:28,100
the things that I've learned as
well.

1553
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:32,200
One last thing David.
If someone wants to donate to

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this cause where can they go to
make a donation?

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Well, right now, I don't have
that setup but the best the best

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place to start the conversation.
At least is too.

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Just email me, it would be at
Zions films at priest.com and we

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can start that conversation at
least fantastic.

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All right, David, I'd love to
have you back on if you're if

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you're open to that because I
would love to follow the

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progression of how these things
are going.

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So actually, when you start
getting close to releasing the

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film, let's let's get you back
on because I really Join our

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conversation.
Sure, thank you so much.

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I'll go ahead and send you one.
I just finished just so you can

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view it and I'd love to hear
back from you on what you think

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of it and if we're going in the
right direction, so fantastic,

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that sounds great.
Alright, David Patten, you're a

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rock star, man.
I appreciate it.

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As are.
You David Sanders?

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Thank you so much.
All right, bye everybody.