Episode #38: (ATTENTION PARENTS) The Dark Root Of The Public Education System W/Russ Barlow

0:04 Just the day before. Thanksgiving, my buddy sent me a news article that told the story of an elementary school in California, who had authorized an after-school club for satanists? Let me say that again, an elementary after school club for Satanist. I found the timing of this article interesting because just a few days before that I had a conversation with Russ Barlow about the state of public education. Now, for those who haven't listened to rest his first time on the podcast, Last, I'd encourage you to go back and listen to episode number 35. Now on this episode rest and I take a deep dive on how modern education has got to the point. It has in regards to indoctrinating our children as Russ and I explore the origins of public education.

0:44 There are many points at which I get freaked the Hell Out on Just how evil and Insidious. The design was by 3/4 of the way into our conversation. You will no longer be wondering how a story like the one I mentioned earlier can happen in public education, but here's the good news at the very end of Of our conversation. Rest gives a very candid answer on what we can do as parents to save our children. Now, in a first for this podcast, I've included video for this episode. The reason I did this is I felt that the visuals that rescues is are super important so you can either see that here at the website or at my YouTube channel. Mormon Renegade podcast for those who prefer just to listen, that format is still available as well. That's next on this episode of the Mormon Renegade podcast, So, I just want to take a moment to thank you. The Listener, when I started this podcast I wasn't sure if anyone would really listen.

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3:50 Welcome back to the Mormon Renegade podcast as always you can get ahold of me either by email at Mormon Renegade at gmail.com. You can also get a hold of me on Instagram and Twitter and getter under the handle. Mormon Renegade. Also we have a website up and that's Mormon Renegade.com, so go check that out. Well I'm back again with with Russ borrow. And after our first episode which was just absolutely phenomenal. I had a great time talking to Russ and I'm not even a science guy but once Russ and I talked, I found myself diving headfirst into a lot of stuff because he just kind of helped open that door for me.

4:35 So to me that first episode was amazing and I got a lot of reviews off of it. And Towards the end after we had stopped recording. Russ had shown me, something talk to me a little. Something about a presentation that he had given about education in America and the church. And as he talked about it, not only could I feel his passion for it, but I really felt the spirit kind of move that that this is important, and this needs to get out there. And so, that's what we're doing this time. We're going to To talk about what's going on in the educational system, in America and how its faltering, but I think more important than that, is that Russ actually provides Solutions.

5:26 He doesn't just point out the problem, he points to Solutions and that is, that's pretty refreshing in today's day and age. So Russ, I'm so happy to have you back on. Thanks for making time for me again, man. You know, I appreciate it and I'm hoping that we get to do this again. Because I know I've had a lot of people asked me to take the science a little bit further, talk about things like age of the Earth, and carbon dating always comes up. How do we deal with carbon dating or other radiometric dating? So we get to talk about that sometime in the future. They've Absolutely i.r.s., I'll be honest with you. I told you this before, and I mean it, once you've been on. Once you have a standing invitation to come back on whenever you want, and I'm more than game for it, I'll make all sorts of time to talk about.

6:13 This stuff with you. Right on. Well today I appreciate you inviting me because what I want to talk about it seems like it's a bit of a departure from science but it's actually not. It kind of brings it all to together. And what I mean by that is we've got education, we've got science and we've got Covenant path and we've got the gospel and kind of all tied together and it's and I think when we get through this, you'll see some interesting ties and how it works. This comes from a presentation, That I gave at the Book of Mormon Expo, and and I found it interesting because I was kind of pottery and praying about what message I should give the word that kept coming to mind was apostasy and both in America, and in the church.

6:59 And I don't know, this isn't directed any leadership. This is directed at us as a people, and I'm just as much a part of that too. Is this apostasy is, is that we have allowed things to come into our homes. We've taught our children and we've done things, we sort of set ourselves. Zup to be the apostate generation because we either haven't known or we willfully kind of turned against some of the Gospel that we know is very true. So now, it seems like I'm being a little harsh, but I think when we get through this today, you'll see and I, hopefully will share some thoughts that people can make some changes in their own homes, and, and start this turn. Get us turned around to the basic foundations of the, of the Gospel.

7:45 You know, I think I think that's great and I'm with you. I don't think this is anything that I think parents did knowingly, right? I think this is something that probably, I'll be honest. I probably been guilty of it myself, right? I mean, I remember there was a time that my wife actually came to me and said, you know, we need to start prioritizing here a little bit because we're involved in all this stuff and none of it's bad, right? It's taking kids. He's here to this activity or or, you know, we got football practice over here, or whatever it was, but it was just too much. And what we found is that we were losing that time with our kids. And I think that's a lot of what parents face now is that in order to try to make their kids well-rounded or whatever the case is, we just bog ourselves down and we don't have time to really connect as a family, right? And we've actually let outside influences sort of dictate to What family is and that's including school. And I would even go so far.

8:48 As to say that we farmed out our religion. When we send our kids off to primary or young men and young woman's, we've sort of sent them away to be taught by someone else. Now that someone else may be well intended, and they may even be very spiritual but it's still. We're sending our kids away rather than taking the responsibility of ourselves that is not to say. We shouldn't participate in the things that our churches are doing in the things that we should be. Be involved in those, but we should literally be involved. Meaning us, be there. Be a part know. What's going on teaching? Our children be much more active in it. Let's get it. Let's start with first Nephi and this is where Lehigh has a during most people that have read the book of Mormon are going to be really familiar with this, right? So, this is where Lehi says, I beheld a great and spacious building and it stood, as it were in, the are high above the Earth.

9:39 This is the thing that we kind of look over because we see that they're scoffing in there and they're old and young and male and female and their manner of dress was exceedingly fine. And they were in the attitude of mocking and pointing their fingers. Towards those who are poor taking of the fruit that Lehi had seen. They were, he was at the tree eating the fruit and so were other people. And he was looking for his family and the building that he saw is a building with Of foundation. It's built in the air. It doesn't have a solid foundation but the people in it are there mocking. And then he says this, he says after they tasted of the fruit, they were ashamed and they fell away into forbidden paths. What really he was saying is that they're embarrassed and that's what's happened to a lot of our kids today is they're embarrassed because they're their friends start talking about Evolution.

10:39 If They were to come to school and say Evolution isn't true. They'd be mocked if they were to come and say the Earth is a water earth, oh my goodness, they say that. Even in our own churches, my son was at his in church. Sharing his ideas about that. The Earth was exactly as it was in Genesis. He had every single kid and the teachers mock him for that at church at church. Oh, that's supposed to be the Refuge, right? I mean that's nice. That's To be the place you go where you can just kind of exhale and kind of you know, to use the woke stirs term. Feel a little safe, right?

11:19 Well the bottom line is is it should be a place especially when you have somebody that says, hey, the scriptures are true. Exactly what said and to mock them to, you know, tease them, make them feel dumb. And that's they did and I have one of my older Sons went to college and he had me we do a presentation about a lot of a science. It's related to the universal model to his in-laws who are very highly educated people and they mocked him so mercilessly that he just kind of crumbled. And just I mean, since that day, he's felt bad and he he's supportive of me, but he just thinks that it's I'm a crackpot because it's not, it's not real science.

12:05 And, you know, this is really opened my eyes a lot. And I've kind of started a journey a little bit and that is to see. And first Nephi after Lehigh has this Vision Nephi asks, the he can see the same vision and that whole series starts in me, firstly, by chapter 11 and it's covers four chapters. And one of those chapters chapter 13, it talks about the formation of America and we can see the Book of Mormon coming forth and we see the man, And wrought upon the comes across the many Waters. We recognize that guy's being Columbus. So those are kind of things that we just accept.

12:47 But it starts out by saying, thou seest the formation of a great church that is most abominable above all other churches. So, side by side with the restoration of the Gospel, is this great and abominable Church. They're forming side by side. Things are happening. And if we Trace modern education back to its roots, it actually. Really starts with the university system and you probably remember remember in high school and rivalries we had against our high schools, right? Yeah. Oh yeah absolutely. Yeah, absolutely started because of the way they divided people in the universities and they would throw their insults at each other and the whole thing that. So that whole rivalry started with the universities and even today, High School sort of model themselves, after a particular college, or university of choice, like, our kids, went to Del Sol, They have the same colors and the same chance as the University of Southern California.

13:44 USC. Wow. And so you know that that's what's happening is our high schools are sort of modeled after the university ideal, even down to the cap and gown in the robes, you know, so we're just kind of training them into this. But if we talk about how it's related to the gospel, let me tell you a story about this guy right here, Nathaniel Hawthorne now Nathaniel Hawthorne wrote The Scarlet Letter. Letter. And if you've gone to public school in the last hundred years, you had to read that book because that was required reading usually for high school and if not college that you had to read and make some kind of report on that, you might think, okay, why this particular book well Nathaniel Hawthorne was born in Salem Massachusetts. He's actually the descended on both sides of Puritan stock, but he hated the Puritans he hated his Puritan Christian Background.

14:39 His third, great grandfather, arrived in 1630 and his second great-grandfather was one of the judges during the Salem, witch trials, that judged the witches and no doubt on flimsy evidence but the bottom line is that he hated that association with what his father had done and what it stood for. Now there was this was a pretty crazy time and so there's no doubt there was a lot of things that was being told but what ultimately Emily. Stop The Witch Trials, were the Puritan pastors. They're the ones that said, this is not biblical and they put a stop to it for solid Biblical reasons. They were the ones.

15:23 I remember reading a about that that that somehow that fact gets conveniently left out of the narrative, right? Is that it was it was biblical pastors. Who came forward and said this has got to stop. You guys are Are all wet on this, on this issue. Bedtime Nathaniel he hated the Puritan ideology and he described Cotton Mather. Now Cotton Mather, that was kind of an interesting name, right? He's the son of a man named increase increased married a woman with the last name cotton and that's why they named their son cotton.

16:03 So Cotton Mather, but he was a clergyman and he actually wrote this incredible book, that was the dealings of Of Christ in America. And it's truly, it's a really thick book, it's hard to read because it's a lot of words and it talked about the gloriousness of all the things that happened and how God's hand was in America, in those early days. Well, Nathaniel Hawthorne hated cotton, men, other to the point where he called him a bloodthirsty mannequin, to the Devil Himself. So it's this was a guy that really disliked his Puritan ancestors. So they're not trading like Christmas cards back and forth then him and cotton her on a cotton have there was is clear back in the 1600s so he's dead but he had the most influence.

16:50 Okay. This Christian ideology and Nathaniel Hawthorne and he's actually born a year. The same time it was Joseph Smith. Great hello 1804 so he's he's growing up in the same era as Joseph Smith. Well what's interesting here is that he tells his mother he says I'm Going to be a writer writes a letter. And he wrote in his letter. Authors are always poor devils and therefore Satan may take them and maybe that was a little for telling ya that that that's a lot for telling ya. So your this is what happens is that he he ends up dating, or which himself he allows his wife to visit a medium, not me. You might think.

17:36 Oh, that's where, what do you mean? He allows well in, S you know women did what their husbands asked them to do. And so for him to for her to go to a medium and a necromancer that so like a wizard or Roy, you know, that was with his permission his Blessing. So he's kind of in this witch's medium spiritualist, kind of a thing and his oldest daughter was a medium. Now, this is the same era as what Joseph Smith was growing up in and there have been An anti-mormon. We're going to get to this writings that tried to make Joseph a part of this counter Christian World of Magic and and necromancy and the medium and that kind of stuff and it's totally false. It's a way of trying to take one world view and just because Joseph grow grew up in an area that that something that was going on, they tried to make him be part of that. But just like we grow up in our world. Today we there are definitely things that we're not a part of but are happening concurrently with our own growing up, you know.

18:46 So you know Russ I want to just interject here real quick. It's interesting that you bring this up right now because I'm actually reading a book called Karl Marx in the Devil by Paul Kang Gore. And it's interesting that in this time period because, you know, marks is coming up About the same time as Joseph Smith, right little older, but, you know, they were around essentially the same time. Now, Marx, didn't get get popular, so to speak till well, after his death. But what I find interesting is that at the same time you got Joseph Smith coming up and restoring the gospel. It seems that on the flip side you have darkness Rising as well.

19:31 Richard if you'll hold your thought on him he's a part of this whole discussion. Okay sir It's totally. Okay, I'm going to set the stage so that when you get to him you're going to see something. We often think of Marx is communism, but I'm going to show you how else he fits in to this world view that we're that we're going to talk about right here. Okay. Okay anyway so just to kind of really recapitulate your to recap what we've seen here is that Cotton Mather, he writes this work called Magnolia Christie Americana and it's the Glorious works of Christ in America. Ah and the Faneuil Hawthorne hates this guy because of he's literally going to try to divorce us from our Christian Roots in this book that he's going to publish in 1850. Okay, so this is actually just 20 years. After the Book of Mormons published, it's only 17 years after the Bible has been published and it's only six years after Joseph has been martyred. So this is the timeframe.

20:35 This is the area that that all this is going on. Now it's also interesting that he was born in 1804 justi just a year older than Joseph Smith and Joseph actually and Sidney Rigdon was some friends go back to Salem Massachusetts where I lived probably right while he's in the middle of writing this and they're looking for treasure. That somebody said is in an old house kind of like people look for Spanish treasure so they go there they don't find any treasure in the Lord. Gives them a revelation that says there is much treasure to be found in this city. Well, it turns out that treasure is his ancestry. It says where the Smith ancestry is from.

21:16 So, there are two things going on right here. You've got this Blood of Israel returning. And then you've got the rise of the The spiritualists and witches and things are happening and that's all we think of today. We think of which is when we think of Salem, we don't think so much of Joseph Smith and his ancestry, right? That's Satan's way of twisting that upright. So Nathaniel Hawthorne publishes this book but he says he writes this book. He said as if under compulsion and called it a health hell fired story, he wrote the whole book in 19 days. Wow. So what's the theme of This book, okay, the theme it's built around adultery, its primary theme is guilt and sin. Now, the story is that a Puritan Minister named Dimmesdale has an affair with a married woman and she gets pregnant. She's going to have a baby so through the course of this he spent seven years just torturing himself feeling terrible and he finally confesses not to Christ not so much as a confessional to as But more of just a confession to admit and then she later on, she just wears her Scarlet.

22:30 A that's what the Scarlet. Letter is the a for adultery. She just kind of wears it proudly and talks about how it's too bad that her daughter has to suffer this slight. But, you know, she's not going to even hide it anymore. She's going to be proud of her adultery and so, what it does is it kind of breaks apart. What it means to have, Have the atonement and what it means to be Christian. And and so there's sin and guilt and, and admission and confession. And but nothing to return nothing to re to reclaim the soul. No atonement. It's a break it apart. Yeah, it's there's no atonement. So, you might say, well, what what does that matter? Why does that matter?

23:16 The reason is books change society, Right. The written word. It always has books change society and because this has been required reading whether we know exactly what its underlying message is. We have been taught the ideas of what is in The Scarlet Letter as our foundational ideas of what puritanism and Pilgrim ism is. And we thought of them as stodgy as being too harsh as being looking down there knows and you know, not treating people, right? But this is the whole thing that he wanted to twist around and do that. And here's the thing is that I was reading a book the other day and it says no single publication of any genre has been so effective at severing, a nation from its Christian Heritage. That's what the author Kevin's want to the wrote in his book, about this one book.

24:12 And so, what is he implying? He's fixated on the demon world through his whole life. Hawthorne is. And he's also he's implying that witchcraft homosexuality, adultery and incest is more acceptable than what the Puritans were standing for what they taught. So that was his method is to say all these things are more acceptable than our Puritan ancestors. So you might ask yourself, can a bitter Fountain? Bring forth? Good water? No. No, I here's the next book. Have you ever heard of that book? Oh yeah. Yeah, popular book, right right?

24:54 But worst 1851 Herman Melville. The author of Moby. Dick writes this letter to Nathaniel Hawthorne and he says I have written a wicked book Myself by the same rushing demon, that affected Hawthorne, geez. Uh-oh. I feel like these are the classics, right? Right. And so and Herman, Melville's born in New York in 1819, he's the same kind of. This is the same era right there are all of these things that are considered are Classics that are the foundation of all of our literature in the school system.

25:35 So we've got that. How about this guy right here though? Mark Twain. You've heard of him. Yeah. Yeah Mark Twain's born in 1835. So this is just five years after the church has been organized. This is still nine years before, Joseph is martyred, so he's not really kind of on the scene when Joseph is on the scene, but he does meet Brigham Young later. But let's hold off to that just for a minute because let's talk about Mark Twain, right? The Adventures of Tom Sawyer or Huck Finn. I'm sure you've read that book to most of us. It's on our shelves. Now I'm what I'm not really trying to say here is that every piece of literature and everything that we've ever read is bad, but it's just a way of opening our eyes to this kind of foundation of what we've taught our children.

26:27 And a lot of times we want to homeschool our kids but then we bring them in and we homeschool them the same things that the schools. Teaching thinking we're going to give them a better education and all we're doing is teaching them the same Foundation of this kind of anti-christian anti foundational, you know, work when we think of the classics or Classic Education and I just want to bring attention to it. So that we are a little more careful about thinking that just turning to the classics, is the right way to go. So Tom Sawyer Mark Twain's a lovable fun guy. Right Mark. Twain's probably the most well known of all the authors and that's, you know, that's great, except there's things to know about him height.

27:15 Now, he does visit the Mormons in Salt Lake City, actually comes to Salt Lake City in 1872 with his brother Orion. So he has a brother named her eye. On this is Ryan Clemens because his name Samuel Clemens even though it goes by Mark Twain, it's a Ryan. Clemens goes to Salt Lake with him and he visits with Brigham Young and Tries to get Brigham Young to laugh, but he doesn't, and after the meeting, Brigham Young's large hand gets on top of Twain's head. And he says, to Twain's brother Ayaan. He says, I your child, I presume boy or girl. Yeah, I remember hearing that story. Yeah, it was, it was kind of a fun exchange their. This kind of like gentle slap me in the face. Yeah, right.

28:01 And so, let's get back to that there. We go. So for most of his life Mark Twain has cloak his atheism and humor. Okay, so he was a Christian and a lot of these guys were born in Christian backgrounds. They were, they're very knowledgeable about it because they grew up in it and then they just weren't themselves and he was an atheist. And so he mocked Christianity. He mocked everything about Christianity. And and the dysfunctional elements, he called him, And so, you know, it was just kind of secret. That's what he did. So in 18 or by 1906 in his biography Mark Twain reveals a complete break with the Christian faith.

28:44 He told his publisher tomorrow. I mean, to dictate a chapter, which will get my heirs and assigns burned alive. If they ventured a printed this side of AD 2006, You know, that's that's remarkably close to a date, you know what I mean? I mean, that's where we are, right? Yeah, holy cow. I it really bugs me that he was that prophetic about it. So we actually did try to publish it that there were those to try to publish back in the 1920s, but the publishing houses, wouldn't they did finally publish it in the 1860s? Okay? Okay. He's, he's a talented writer.

29:25 Writer his writing is fantastic, but he's also a clever liar. So, you know, he was like Satan. He's just a very clever liar. He hated God and he wrote his school, he wrote his story to the school aged masses to help them in their own apostasy. That's kind of the whole thrust of it. And when, you know a lot of people have disagree over, you know, Huck Finn's a great story. And so is Tom, Sawyer and they are some really interesting and fun things to read about that. But he really reveals what he was about when he starts talking about the Bible. He says, it's the most damn Natori biography that exist in print anywhere and he referred to God as repulsive vindictive and malignant.

30:09 Hmm, and then in 1909, he transcribes, what he calls a message from Satan himself and titles, it letters. Okay, so this is right before he dies, he has he comes clean, he admits where he really is and he dictates this message, he said it was from Satan himself and in it, he said the Bible is a blood-drenched history, a wealth of obscenity and upwards of a thousand lies. Wow, this book is consciously evil and in it. He exhorts women to the high privileges of unlimited adultery Again, ask yourself can a bitter Fountain? Bring forth.

30:58 Good water. Now he was This Bitter Fountain through his whole life but it was couched and hidden in his atheism and his hate for God and His disdain was carefully hidden but he was there, that was his point. Now, Hawthorne mocked Christianity, but Twain unashamedly bashed every symbol and sacrament of the Christian faith. That's that was his attack. Overtly on top of and if you read Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer, you'll see how it's a mockery of that Christianity and 19th century Christianity, that's what it is.

31:39 Whole thing was about. Now, there were lots of other writers, lots of human atheist influences Literature Like Nathaniel Hawthorne Herman Melville. Those are a couple Ralph Waldo, Emerson John Steinbeck, Walt Whitman. These guys all had their thing that they were doing they were All writing and they were trying to normalize homosexuality, they were trying to normalize adultery and all of the things like, in Herman Melville, we didn't talk about this when we talked about Moby, Dick, what's its underlying theme? It's Revenge, it's Revenge to the point that you, you destroy everything and everyone in your life. And so, all of those is kind of normalizing and actually glorifying the sin that we're supposed to be trying. To overcome.

32:29 So in all what kingdom are these authors building and when we damn, what kingdom are we supporting? Yeah, the adversaries. All right, you mentioned this guy. Karl Marx. Yeah, he's such a just such a jovial guy and he Karl Marx is a Christian, he's born in 1818. So again, if we just put it in context, he's born just 13 years after Joseph Smith. This is kind of now, he's not in America's he's not knowing what's going on here. But he's, this is the same time frame and he has a profound effect on the world and indirectly. He brought about out the deaths of more people and probably anyone else in history.

33:20 Yeah. And he ambushed this book, Communist Manifesto was published in 1848. You see the cotton, see how these things are kind of all together. Yet in that timeframe. Yep. So Marx had an impact on the actual events as well as on the minds of men and women more than any other intellectual in modern times. And he was a writer and he was a playwright, he loved the artist. He was a Lutheran turned atheist, he glorified in his total rejection of theism and between 85 and 200 million, people have died because of marxist, ideologies, during the last century, If you rounded up all of this the Roman emperors over the last 400 years, they kill between 10 and 100 times less all of you over a 400-year period.

34:24 You know, one guy and it's just remarkable, right? So I tore my ACL like five years ago and I had a lot of time just to hang out and because I'm a massive nerd. Russ, I went back to college, not to seek a degree but just to take some courses, I would find interesting. And so I took a bunch of courses on political science. And when they talk about marks man, is there a lot of adulation There is there, a lot of, you know, this I can say with complete knowledge, having been there, they don't talk about all the people that he ultimately was responsible for killing because you don't have Mal. You don't have any of the other communist dictators unless you have marks.

35:16 How did you know, Marx was a prolific writer? And it is first work, he spoke of the importance of a Believers relationship, with Jesus Christ. So Mark starts out as a Christian Author writing about the importance of that. But it doesn't really take long before his plays kind of, take a dark turn and this gross blasphemy Porsche from his heart. He even said some things like this, he says, I wish to avenge myself against the one who rules above. That's pretty direct, right? You said so God has snatched for me my all in the curse and rack of Destiny, all his words have gone beyond recall nothing but revenge is left to me. I shall build my Throne, High overhead. So like that sounds a lot like the words that Lucifer used when he says seeks to build his throne above gods in heaven, right?

36:14 Yeah. And if you read some of his plays I mean he he always plays the part of either Lucifer himself or somebody who's willing to sell his soul if I'm not mistaken. He has a man crush on the guy who wrote Faust, right? And the the devil's bargain and he refers back to that. Time and time again, he feels a kinship there. Well, you might imagine that the darkness that The Mists of Darkness at Lehigh knee-high, Lehi and Nephi saw him in a Dream. It's like this guy in bodies that dark, hellish Hue of that mist of Darkness, doesn't he? He does.

37:00 And what he said to, he also said then I will walk triumphantly like a god should the ruins of their Kingdom. Every word of mine is fire and action. My breast is equal to that of the creator. Yep. And to kind of give you an idea where he's got death on his mind all the time. He even says this, he says that the sword and he's referring it to allegorically to this. He says, the Prince of Darkness, sold it to me for, he beats the time, and gives the signs and ever more boldly. I play the dance of death. This is all foreshadowing, the death that will come as the result of marxist ideologies. So I want to ask you a question.

37:45 Russ. And this is something that that I haven't been able to get A real good answer on myself, I have some theories but they're just theories. Do you think all these people knew what they were doing? Do you think that they knew they were on the side of Darkness or do you think that somewhere? They thought that maybe they were just trying to advance Humanity? Well, I'm, you know, I believe that there's some part of that possibly, but when you actually read words, like Marx is saying that I wish to avenge myself against the one who rules Above, This is an outright challenge to God.

38:27 We have an imposter in admitting that this Has written from the fires of hell and he says that he knows he's going to be taken by Satan. And when Herman Melville says, I've written my own Evil Book, you know, to the debtor to the degree of how much they knew. I don't know, but it certainly seems like they knew they were dancing with the devil in some way they were playing with this, and they knew they were going against convention. They were trying to break that down. They were friends like with Walt Whitman. He's a poet. But he's also homosexual and in most of his poems were written and they kind of have this homosexual been to them at a time when that wouldn't be heard of.

39:12 And so yeah, I think they did know and I think that shows up even as we go on and some of these other men of the things, you know, their purpose, he's out right to stand against God, I think you're right, I've looked at it and I just wanted to To see if I was too far out there in left field, but especially marks, as I've read more and more about marks. I think, at some point, he may have actually made a deal, right? I really do. I think he knew exactly what he was doing for sure. So even though we're not really talking about communism, for March, we're going to talk about just what's in this book that overall core statement of the Communist Manifesto is that we destroy the most hallowed of relations when When we replace home, education with social, that's the core statement.

40:05 So, all this stuff about communism is actually secondary to this core statement and how do we get communism? First thing? We need to do, replace home, education with social and then I'm going to ask you a question. What do you think is the most hallowed of relations, Dave? Boy, I think it would be it, would I think first and foremost it's the relationship between you and your God. And then I think you have you and your wife and then you and your children? Yeah, I think you're right. I'd like to add one thing though. I'd like to add that the most hallowed relation is between a father and his family and his children. Now in Malachi, we read in the last chapter last first.

40:48 This is sort of the closing McHale Out of the Old Testament, it says, and that I will send Malachi, he will send, you know, this power, the sealing power to turn the hearts of the father's to the children, and the children to the father's less the whole earth, be smitten with a curse. Well Joseph, actually, when Moroni comes and speaks to Joseph, during the just, before the Book of Mormons published, he changes out a little. He says that he will send to plant the hearts of the promises made to the father's Okay, and we'll plant in the hearts of the children, the promises made to the father's. So know if you think about when a child is born, his first conception of God is his father, he doesn't have a figure to think of he doesn't haven't seen any paintings yet so he doesn't really have any way to conceive of who God is except he sees his father.

41:44 So as a father we have literal Leti to act as if we are the archetype of God. Because we are to our children about initially. Of course, they're going to learn and they're going to become detached and separate themselves and get their own relationship. But at the first for, however, many months or years, there's a period of time where the father represents God when the child kneels down and prays. For the first time in his mind, he's going to see the man that he knows, that's how God's going to look. And so you You know, your children's God has a beard like you. And that's just because how we how we conceive of that.

42:25 And, and I think the Lord knows that and so that hallowed relationship is really The father. And what's the most? What have they gone after the whole education? And the whole modern world is gone after first, they've gone after the father, destroy the father in the home. And then after that, then they go after the women through women's rights, right? And they the whole feminism movement, right? And then they'll finally get to the kids which is where they are now. So they can we literally lost the dad's, we've lost the fathers. And you know, when I Say that. I'm just as much saying that about me because we have become absorbed in our work.

43:08 We become absorbed in our world of trying to make money. And we don't want to take the time to spend with our children and Dad's need to be involved in the education of their kids. They need to be home at least some of the time. Even if they have to structure a job to the best of their ability, and there are ways you can do it. Like, for example, my wife and I she started this, she would have me give the Kids an assignment. And then I had to give, I had to check their rough draft on Thursday and that was the best we had when they were younger. I wish I'd spent more time but at least we did that. And she could spend the whole week teaching in the kids. Cared more about my rough draft on Thursday than everything, she taught them and so I was a hero, I got all the credit, she got all the hard work, but the kids need dad's in their in their schooling lives to the best of Of our abilities. And when I was younger, a younger dad, I thought that was totally my wife responsibility.

44:09 I'd go to work. You take care of the kids and that's just not right. It's, I feel like I've got to be more involved in that. No, I definitely think you're right. I lost my dad at a young age. But I think I think my God, every day that I had my dad, when I for the time I did because he was a great dad and you are 100% correct. I can remember it was a such a weird realization that I remember thinking. Why is it when I think? And I was 13 still at the time, right? That for some reason. My dad's characteristics are characteristics.

44:51 I Ejected on God we all do. Yeah and so know you're you're absolutely 100% correct. I think if we as fathers will think of that think my child is thinking of me as God how am I standing up to that? I think it does have an impact it has on me and I'm not saying that there are a lot of unconventional families. We have to do the best we can. This is not a judgment on that. This is just a statement of fact. fathers have been taken and stolen away from the families collectively, you know, that that's the general thing and so Point number 10, you know, this core statement coming back to the Communist, Manifesto is core statement of destroying the most talented relations, that's reflected in plank number 10 of the Communist Manifesto and that is that free education for all children in public school, abolition of children's Factory labor in, its present form and Nation of Education with industrial production. Now, at the time in 1848, the child's Factory labor primarily consisted of working in the family business, whether that blacksmith shop a Cooperage or on the farm. And so it was taking it away, take him, take him out of that and prepare them to work in the industrial world. It's it kind of looks like, oh

46:22 yeah, we want to protect our From Factory labor no no get him out of the home, get him out of the home business and prepare them to be worker bees. It's a social construct, okay? So the first thing you want to do then is make that happen. Well, it just so happens in 1852, just four years after this is published, Massachusetts becomes the first pass, compulsory School attendance and and it's it's done in all 50 states by 18, 18, true. So the whole United States has now become a compulsory state for education.

47:07 Talk about a fast and hard fall, right? 50 years is barely one generation. In one generation. They were able to get that done. And it's interesting about this time period. I just got done reading a book about Woodrow Wilson, who was our first quote academic president and I remember he had a very telling statement that he made which was our whole point of Education, both college and public. Is to make a boy as much, unlike his father as possible. That's right, let's talk about how that actually happened with this guy right here, horse, man. So he's, he's a born in 1796.

47:57 He's about nine years older than Joseph Smith. He's born in Massachusetts, just 35 miles from Plymouth and Salem kind of in that same area. He was raised Orthodox, Puritan calvinist but he turned to Unitarianism, Unitarianism means that they just dismiss that the Trinity and the I kind of went off the rails in a different direction. This guy's a delegate in Massachusetts and so he's he's actually the guy that makes the compulsory education happened in Massachusetts. And so you see this you see how this Puritan descendants are, actually the fighters, these guys were Christian converted to things that are not quite so Christian. And this guy horse man did more More to establish in the minds of the American people at conception that education could should be Universal non-sectarian and free. That's the whole thing is, convince people that it needed to be all the same and it needed to be non-sectarian and free. And the whole point was to get people to be socially efficient. So we fit, within this social ideal right, not the family, not your religion, but social, and that character, meaning trained by the school's character was something that was more than it just being taught by your religion, your sectarianism right.

49:24 Right. Was even though he was opposed by the Ministers of his day, that they saw what he was doing. They still gave way and it was finally overcome. So this was the first statement fall and it was because of this guy. This guy Horace Mann. He's the one that kind of starts the public education. Push notice his death 1859 same day that this or the same year. This guy dies. The next guy that is in line is going to be born. Okay, before we leave this guy before we leave, Horace Mann, he hated the Puritan faith of his forefathers So this is the same thing that Faneuil Hawthorne hated the faith of his forefathers.

50:13 This is the same thing that these all these guys like Mark Twain. They all hate the faith of their forefathers. They want to get rid of it. They don't want any part of it. Why? So I want to ask the question here why because even as early as 1859 you you definitely begin to see the fruits of this American experiment. Begin to take root and it takes root because unlike most if not all of the other European nations, all of the you're the all of Europe, excuse me.

50:54 We are government makes a covenant at the beginning with the god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. So we see the benefits of that Covenant. So what do you think inspires this hate from these men of the fish painted? Very great for sure. This battle is a premortal war and the thing is is if you understand that's why this science and the education and and the Covenant all come together because the war was fought, In the same way in the premortal life, this is not new. It's the same words that were being said before. We were born, it's the same battle. It's the same ideals and were fighting against an ongoing battle. It's not new, it's the same battle and so where is it going to be Satan's?

51:43 Going to come right at the Crux of it you're right. We made a covenant. The pilgrims made the Covenant. The Mayflower Mayflower Compact Puritans adopt that Covenant then later on the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution become the American Covenant. It's a, it's literally American scripture and it declares things that are from God. God says that he raised up men for that Express purpose. So, yes, we have all of these things and Satan is coming after to destroy this, and he's coming after it. And in a way, he's he's taking it down this road of education and I think You see that it gets. It becomes so plain, and I'm not trying to be this doomsday, or guy that says this.

52:31 But what I'm saying is, let's open our eyes and we need to realize what America was built on, was the family business? That was the single thing was the family business that allowed us to, to go out. Not only raise, our farm crops that we ate. We had a business, like, a Cooperage where they would make bear. Girls or a cobbler where they make shoes or a blacksmith shop or or you know whatever they did and there were some pretty high-tech stuff. They did Brigham Young was a glazier, a glass man. John Taylor got the sugar beet. Yeah. So there was a lot of complex and things that were business was was important and in getting our families involved in the family business, I think is now more important than ever. We have a bigger, I mean, we're going off a little bit here, but think about this.

53:27 What is God's business price was all Temple. He says, I must be about my father's business. What is God's business? To bring to pass the eternal life and immortality of man. Exactly. So, we are engaged in that business or at least we should be as Believers as part of the tribe part of Israel. Israel is, is in our father's business. So more importantly than driving truck or you're a surveyor. I'm a window guy, more important than the work that we do. Is the influence that we have on our children and our communities to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of math.

54:12 Absolutely. All right, let's go past Horace. Mann to the next guy and 1859, this guy is born. Oh, I forgot one. One thing on this, these were the six principles that Horace, Mann instituted in the public education thing I need this because it's going to set the stage for what the next guy does. These are the six things. One, that public school, the public should no longer remain ignorant. What does that mean? I'm guessing ignorant is is a Is a term. That doesn't mean what it originally meant, much like, I think it means exactly that but they're applying it to knowledge about Evolution and okay, because this is this is all in the, you know, this is the this is after Darwin is come on the scene.

55:07 This is after that, this scientists in the education Community is already pushing these Concepts now, Darwin's book isn't published till 1858, but this is the time when all of this is happening Right. This is the yeah that period it's all being pushed and so ignorant means you're not aware of what modern science is telling you about the age-old Earth. And then of course taxes, you know, we need to all pay for it says we're going to be taxed for Education. The education will be best provided in schools and embrace children from a variety of backgrounds. That sounds good. But what really is the underlying thing there?

55:51 probably to make sure that things like Darwinism and and You know, hardcore secularism or taught? And that there's no differentiation between religions. If you want to believe this religion, we're going to, we're going to equalize everybody so that their, they can start looking at and getting rid of their, you know, that's Satan's. Ultimate goal is to have a one world religion. That's what he's going to do is. And it's going to be his religion, not ours and so you bring these different backgrounds and you erase family, traditions and culture and try to bring them together number for Education, must be secular.

56:31 So that means get rid of God. Number five, the tenths of a free society would be taught to all what's the difference between freedom and liberty. Liberty is by law within the confines of God's law where freedom is free of those laws. So free Society is actually not necessarily the freedom that's embodied in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. Freedom is free of the confines of God, telling us what we can and can't do. I see in Liberty is freedom within God's law. Exactly. And we never fought for freedom when we were fighting the constant for the, we're fighting the British to, for our own, we were fighting for Liberty, right?

57:18 And that it's an important distinction to recognize. That number six is that instruction be should be provided by well-trained professional teachers. So what does that mean? Right? What is well-trained professional teacher. I mean I would think well-trained would be toting the propaganda for for the state precisely indoctrinated to what they want, right? So anyway that leaving horse man, he's a Massachusetts state legislature that brings in this stuff, okay? So he's the guy that brings that in and then the next guy on the scene is John Dewey. Now, if you read Woodrow Wilson, you probably read about John Dewey because he's around the same time.

58:01 He's born in in 59. Like everyone else. He starts out a Christian. I mean, all of these people we've been talking about, start out as Christian and he's born into a solid family, but he tells his daddy wants to go to college. And his father is heartbroken, because he knows what's going to happen in the University. But to prove, he's dead wrong. He joins the student Christian Association. He's going to show his dad. Hey I'm, I'm really good and he gives his first speech and He talks about the obligation to the knowledge of God. He said belief was not a privilege but a duty to believe in God. And that's how he starts his college career. He writes his first book called psychology and that's all it's called a psychology and he argues that logic. Proves God is a necessity.

58:57 It sounds like he starts off really good in college. Like a lot of people, though, when we ve probably heard this kid say, oh, our kids have got to have their peers, right? They've got to have it, we're afraid they're going to be socially backward, if we don't let them have their friends like when do kids ever learn anything good from their peers, really. You're right. You're right. No, you're you're 100% right. Kids need to learn from Mom and Dad, they can associate with peers. Mom and dad are the ones they need to learn from not peers. Well, John Dewey started choosing his peers his mentor's. And choosing your friends is important, right?

59:37 Who you choose has a huge impact on where you're going to go and he chooses this guy G Stanley Hall and he's G. Stanley Hall is an absolute Darwin fanatic, and he's a full-blown eugenicist which means people that aren't the perfect people should die. Yeah, the people that are too old, too young to Black to Jutsu to do Down syndrome to death, whatever, whatever defect they should not be a part of the system and I go ahead, let's go see. I read up on this a little bit, I remember it was back when Barack Obama was running for his first term and he was running from for against Hillary Clinton and someone asked Hillary, you consider yourself a liberal and she said, you know, I consider myself more of a progressive which has a rich American Can history dating back to the turn of the century.

1:00:37 And so I was like, well, I'm going to go back and find out what those folks were and Eugenics were huge part of it. You're talking about people like Margaret Sanger who referred to two black people as human weeds, and she felt the same way about Chinese that she did about black people and said horrific things. Like the best thing you could do for a child who was born to a large family with smother that child These were evil evil people and as much and don't get me wrong. The Nazis were horrible, but they learned it from us. First, in fact, if I'm not mistaken, the first forced sterilization in the western world happened in Indiana.

1:01:18 Under this Eugenics movement I'm sure that and Margaret sanger's. The founder of Planned Parenthood. Absolutely yep. That's the whole, the whole life, right? Anyway Stanley Halls the first to earn a PhD in American psychology. He's the first doctor first PhD in America in Psychology and that's a whole nother discussion and we won't get off onto that. But his favorite, his hero was Charles Darwin, which naturally meant that John Dewey's became Charles Darwin. And this is what he wrote about this because any and he says that Dewey wrote the Origin of Species marked an Epoch, in the development of the Natural Sciences, a mode of thinking that would transform morals, politics and religion.

1:02:07 And then he also wrote The Darwin single-handedly dispensed with 2,000 years of the fixed and final. What does it mean? Fixed? And final, it means absolute truth. so, Darwin single-handedly dispensed with 2,000 years of Christ. The absolute truth. Not regimen. Yes out. Right. You know, I know how the story turns out, but I still find myself, sitting here going, don't do it, don't ever mind, you're going to do it anyway. So so John to becomes a humanist and it's kind of interesting to think about what the modern education, what the universities really are at the heart of the modern University is the idea that man's intellect is greater than God. That's the whole thing is focus on the intellect and they glorify human reason and that's now. And at first you might think well, that's really cool that we learn how to reason each other out, right? But it's a way of divorcing us from our creator to think that we are now the Smart Guys, right? We moved past what Jesus Christ can offer us and now we can be smart ourselves.

1:03:26 Any time I hear someone glorifying human reason. I'm like go look inside. Look, just go to work for a day inside of a government office building. I worked inside of a government office building for a year and a half, and I had to leave that will change your mind really quickly. So Dewey it's we're not absolutely certain that he writes the humanist Manifesto but he definitely had the biggest influence and he was the most notable signer of the humanist. Manifesto published in 1933. Okay, so that you can humanist, manifest Manifesto included, these things of the universe is self existing and not created. So there, you know, God's out of that man is a part of Nature and has emerged as a result of a continuous process. That was the nature of the universe depicted by modern science.

1:04:23 Makes unacceptable, any Supernatural or Cosmic guarantees of human values. Another word. What we just said in the Constitution about these unalienable rights given to us by God is now not given to us by God. There is no, it's a complete refutation of the things of Liberty that we stand for as a nation. So, John Dewey is essentially the humanist profit. Now Dave this is going to take you off because it sure did me. He said the school is primarily a social institution. Education is the regulation of the process of coming to share in the social Consciousness.

1:05:10 Geez. We cannot know anything for certain, this is the humanist, Manifesto laid out for us. Okay? God is a faded piece of metaphysical Goods. Oh, and here's the best one. The teacher is the prophet and the true God, and the Usher in of the true kingdom of God, because that's about as straight up, as you can get as that. Did he at this point you can't refute that they didn't know what they were doing.

1:05:51 They knew exactly what they were doing. They had a goal in mind which was to supplant the family and God and replace it with the state. Starting from the earliest age possible. They could get their hands on our on our children. That's right. So if you think about what Nephi saw when he saw is great and abominable Church, And it's happening right side by side. The embodiment of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence of this new nation, these things are happening side-by-side. And so these things happen and we can literally see them being played out in the forward movement of what education is.

1:06:40 It literally is embodying. It's becoming a part of this great and abominable church. It's the two opposing viewpoints And you. And we started wrong. I mean that that's the other thing, right? Is that not completely, but by certainly by 1859 right, where? That's the bulk of our history as a nation, right? There's more history that's happened since 1859 then 1859 back to 1776. And I I think though, that it's kind of all when we start talking about the restoration it's really not 1830. The restoration started with Rhombus in 1892. I'm sorry.

1:07:28 But I think even before that the printing press had discovered in 1453, I think that's really where the Reformation movement started. This is where Martin Luther nailed his thesis on the doors of the of the cathedral in Germany. This this movement is a battle and it's a back-and-forth, it's like a literal battle where you have these, these things going back and forth as Christ is moving. For the restoration preparing this and Satan is freaking out. He knows the right now. I think he knows his time is days are counted and he's he does not know the mind and will of God, he doesn't know the timing, he doesn't have all that knowledge, but he sees that things and I think he's freaking out.

1:08:12 And I think that this is all been a lead up to where we need to wake up and be aware what battle were fighting. Absolutely what's funnier us is I think there's a lot of other people that feel that, right? I think that, that, that feeling of an event that's on the horizon is I think everyone can feel that it's closer to these days. I agree. I agree. So that's the education thing, but let's not take a different direction. Let's talk about the origins of modern science and we talked a little bit about this on. Our first podcast, we're going to jump into To a little bit more, just to kind of connect it into this, this whole mix right here. So, James Hutton is a part of the Scottish, Enlightenment. Any time you hear the word, Enlightenment, you can know that this is about how man's intellect is replacing God. So whether it's the enlightenment of the Dark Ages, whether it's the Scottish Enlightenment, it's whatever you ever heard the word Enlightenment, what they're really saying is that man's intellect is now greater than God's, and we finally woke up, Okay, so he's a part of that shift.

1:09:21 He's, he's in that movement of this. So-called Superior human reasoning and it's a stark shift from just about 150 years. Before they had this Scottish Covenant, the national Covenant, where the Scottish people signed a covenant that they would protect and defend the Protestant religion, it would defend God. And so now the enlightenment is come along to the start the replacement of that. James Hutton is considered the father of geology. He's the guy that sort of sets the stage. He's not the first guy that talked about a hot molten Earth, but he's, he's the guy that's the most influential in this and he publishes his theory of the earth and 1788. Okay.

1:10:05 And he convinces, most of his fellow geologists that the Earth is incalculable calculable e old. Another interesting tie is 1788 is the same time. The Constitution is ratified. So you you're seeing these two, Kind of things happening here, but the Constitution doesn't make that huge of an event yet. It's just starting and his theories published in 1788 also, don't really make this big deal but it's starts, right? It starts this movement and it's poorly written. And so it's forgotten until he dies and 1797 the kind of goes away. But this guy comes along, Charles Lyell and Charles Lyell is a he's a well Published well, respected author and he refuses to accept the flood or the testimony of Noah is recorded in Genesis. He becomes very anti-biblical all the way refuses, any kind of catastrophism.

1:11:02 And then he's smart though he says, don't form an opinion until you've read my theory, okay? Don't form an opinion from history. That's Genesis everybody new, genesis is history. Now this is What he says though, this is pretty Sly. He says, if you don't triumph over them, that means you and me Dave. And all these other people that believe in the Bible, if you don't try and pull over them, but compliment them the liberality and the Candor of the present age, and the Bishops, and enlightened Saints will join us in despising, both the ancient. And the modern says, you know, he wrote physical Theologian.

1:11:42 But what he really said that's that's profit. The Saint the Bishops and Saints will join us in despising the ancient and modern Prophets. Please tell the great. They are tell him how smart they are. They'll come, they'll join us and pretty soon. We'll have the Saints. Saying that your profits are wrong. And how did that happen? Well, he publishes principles of, geology and 1830. So just like the Constitution had sort of on its thrust, right? And we see the Constitution is actually tested pretty heavily and 1860s with the rebel the Civil War, right? So this is about to test everything too. Principles of geology is wildly popular to repentance reprinted 12 times and it convinces, the whole science of the Earth's extreme age.

1:12:46 Now, the important thing to note here is that we often think that evolution is the fight, but I think the age of the Earth is a much more important fight because if you have the age of the Earth established as it says in the Bible Evolution has nothing it falls apart. Yeah because it can't stand if the Earth isn't billions and billions and billions of years old they're certainly not enough time for evolution to kick in as its In described. That's right. Let's talk about the next guy, Charles Darwin, he's a humanist scientist and as a young boy Darwin was a pretty dark child.

1:13:29 He beat a puppy simply for the sense of power that he got from it. And he loved to kill birds by pounding on their heads with a hammer. And so this, you know, he's kind of in a fuse that really happened. He you'd save your kid were doing that. You'd say, you know, something's something's a little wrong. He loved to hunt by 17. He killed animals for the joy of killing. He would go hunting. He just absolutely loved hunting. And he was in a very Avid Hunter. He said, I do not believe that anyone could have shown more Zeal for the most holy cause than I did for shooting birds. How, well, I remember killing my first snipe, my excitement was so great that I had much difficulty in reloading. My gun from the trembling of my hands. Who, you know?

1:14:29 I'm a Hunter right? However, that isn't the same kind of reverence. That you would show when you kill an animal, right? I mean that. That is more sadistic than than a hunter. For sure. So there's it's about his life to about, you know, he actually when he's young, he has this Vibrance and he loves nature and he sees things and he's he's exploring things, but there's some definitely some underlying things that are going on. By the time, he's 22 years old, he's getting on board, the HMS Beagle and the captain of the beagle. James Fitzroy, gives Darwin a copy of Charles lyell's principles of geology.

1:15:17 That's published one. R before. So this principles of geology is is this Catalyst and Darwin says that it opened his eyes to how Evolution can work, because it was so this deep time, Incidentally, Darwin, took his own book. The book he chose to take were the 12 volume set of John Milton's, Paradise, Lost a Paradise Lost is another one of those Classics that's probably on a lot of people's shelves and it's written. It's about the It's about the Garden of Eden in the casting out and expulsion of Adam and Eve but it's actually written from Satan's point of view, right?

1:16:03 So it's not it's not this glorious thing that God's lie. It's written from, you know, for Satan and how he fed paired. Okay, so this is the influence and anyway, this principles of geology is the influencer Of Charles Darwin's. Own ideas on Evolution and then he publishes the origin of the species in 1859. Here's the kick. Origin of Species is the most influential book in history. It outranks, the Bible the Koran and the Mark is Marx's Communist Manifesto. Hmm.

1:16:49 In China, they don't know about Christ, but they know about Darwin. And it isn't just the Origin of Species either, okay? It's that How Deeply it's entrenched in our universities less than half of the Christian universities in America opposed darwinian Evolution. That's Christian universities BYU U SQ, U Vu, and you of you all Embrace Evolution, all of them not just the little they fully embrace it. And that.

1:17:30 That's a, it's crazy. When you stop to think that it's still a theory, right? You still can't prove much of what Darwin said because there's there's there's missing parts all over. If if Darwin was correct, we should expect to see certain things that we just don't see your and we don't find it all Russ. Alright, here's the thing though. Is that because evolution is divided into Microevolution and macro-evolution there's this endless debate over Evolutions true of its adaptation versus speciation and so there's this kind of ongoing Coral about this versus that.

1:18:12 And you know we could definitely make a dive and we should probably do another podcast and talk about just evolution in the laws of the life but just know this Evolution cannot work. If there's not billions of years, so the fight isn't Evolution. The we need to go look at the Bible. This is how the Bible. The entire first part of the Bible is about geology and Science and weather and meteorology and all the other things that are happening. It's a science book and it actually defines and describes a creation account. That's very scientific and very sound and its origin. And that's the thing is, read the Bible from a science point of view and it's actually far more simple and easy to understand and it's not billions of years.

1:18:58 That's our fight. Right. Ya know you and you make an excellent point and I'll be something I never put my finger on, right. I always just assumed Darwin was, was the guy you had to kind of contend with, but maybe it's not. Maybe you make a darn good case, rested, its geology. We have to look at first. Well, if you think about in the book in the Bible, and it's referred to in the Book of Mormon, but the writer says, Will you have the book to proceed forth in the mouth of a Jew? So you have the creation, I'm not going to include it. So we have the creation account, which is geology in a very first part of it. And then part of the temple endowment is is showing the creation account.

1:19:47 It's so important that God wants to show that creation account over and over and over. He wants a embedded in our minds about how the creation is supposed to happen. So do you in the creation? Is important enough to God, that that's what he wants us to know. Absolutely. So today Darwin is the most recognized person in the world. In the world. He's the most recognized that crazy. That's nuts. You'd think it would be Christ or you think it's something else. But it's actually Darwin, Darwin is the most recognized persons in the world. And you could probably take a picture of this right here and and go to any University and almost everyone to recognize it and a probably a decent percentage would not even know who their state senator is or who they're, you know, sometimes even the President right. But they know this guy darwinian evolution is embraced and accepted at 99 percent of All American universities, all of them Christian, or non-secular 99% of all universities in America embraced, Our Winning Evolution, and even a higher percentage in European, universities, and darwinian evolution is accepted in universities around the globe. And not only that we like to put our kids in front of simple, benign, things like planet

1:21:18 Earth. Well, all the shows about animals Landscapes history, even cultural shows always always bring in evolution. This evoke this is billions of years old and that evolve to do this and that and so forth. Yeah, you're know. You're 100% correct. I know that's something that. My, my five-year-old granddaughter crawled up on my lap and said, you know, Pappy did you know them Earth is way older even older than you and I knew what she was getting at. And I was like, yeah, I know, I'm pretty old and so, but and you're right, it doesn't take them long because it's everywhere.

1:21:59 Rest there were saturated with it. Right. So this is kind of the big picture of modern science if we were to put it out there we would say that all humans have evolved from an ape-like ancestor they'll always get you if you say you evolved from apes because they don't say that they say that you involved from an ancestor that the Apes evolved from like you have a common one. Okay, so we evolve from common ape-like. Ancestors who evolved from bacteria And where did that come from? That came from chemicals. And chemicals came from The Big Bang and the Big Bang came from nothing. I have a book, actually, just sitting here on my desk, it's called the universe from nothing and it describes Stephen Hawking describes how the universe came from nothing. Okay, so that the whole modern science construct is literally based on that structure of modern Science is based on a foundation of nothing.

1:22:59 So when he sees that when Nephi and Lehi, see this building in the air floating, as it were in the air, on a foundation of nothing, that's actually a literal interpretation of what modern science is. Built on built on. The concept of everything came from nothing before the Big Bang. Kind of interesting how perfectly literary literally, literally, that is, isn't it? It is. So, let me ask you this because I don't want to take away from anything. Are we going to get at any point here? Into what the What the? The fruits are of believing this. Yeah, and probably you should break this when you get to publish, it may be again, 2 2 and let's just let's jump into. I want to do one more thing.

1:23:47 I want to tie it to the church because this makes it more relevant. You know, we've talked about all the Sciences but now, let's talk about the church and it doesn't really matter where you come from in the church, whether you're from any Divergent group or the mainstream church, or Anything. It's there's some commonality you sure be the same thing because we're all influencing each other. Sure. So the story starts on this part with a guy named George Tanner. Now, George Tanner is one of the Tanner family that his ancestor. John Tanner is one that's often recited in a and how he brought a lot of money to help Joseph Smith out.

1:24:27 Okay, so he's a part of the Tanner family, he's an Institute director at the University of Idaho. Okay, he's a descendant of this, John Tanner. So he has these promises and he became the Institute director in 1931 in the University divided. Okay? But he's a progressive and he's a, he's this intellectual Mormon who taught his students one in particular guy named Leonard, Arrington, Christianity and science could be compatible, and that other translations of the Bible, could assist him in his interpretation of the Bible. So he's kind of setting this guy, he's an LDS guy, he's teaching Institute and he's literally teaching his students that Evolution and biblical criticism are okay. Is this the first time with in Mormonism that that we see somebody of any stature begin to make that that leap? That.

1:25:27 Hey, not at all. Okay. No. No. Because John a whit. So he was an apostle actually goes back to get his letters from Back East University and he's a trained biologist, and he's influential, and getting the University of Utah. Sorry. USU Utah, State University accredited and Logan and then James Talmage goes, and he becomes a geologist and so he's trained on principles of geology. So he whether his intent is, I don't believe he either. One of these guys had intent, I think they were just trained. In the modern scholarship and then they were just trying to bring it together because James Talmage to help get BYU accredited and University of Utah, credited.

1:26:12 So these two got brought in some of this stuff and did it. What's different though? Is that Johnny went so even though he's a biologist still affirms, the Divinity of Adam and still talks about the creation process, right? So he's he's blending his theology. Well this guy's a lot more Progressive and he's full-on evolutionists. So he teaches Leonard Arrington that it's okay to be an evolutionist and Arrington, does he? He becomes this full-blown evolutionist and he's the church historian from 1972 to 1982 for ten years. He's the he's the church historian and he Embraces Evolution and while he's at the University of Idaho, he tells people that I now accept these things that I used to not. But now I'm I used to be very violently opposed to them but now Now I've accepted him, he also accepts biblical criticism. And what that really means is that The Bible is a collection of things written by man.

1:27:11 They're not inspired, they're not necessarily Revelation from God. They're just a collection of writings that have to do with the time of the age. Okay. But it gets a little bit more dicey with this. He actually says that Jesus life and Ministry. Simply could not have taken place the way they're depicted in the gospel. Geez. So how does he become church historian? The idea was Joseph Fielding Smith was church historian for 40 years and the only reason he stepped away from it is because he's called is the prophet of the of the church, he stayed church historian while he was an apostle and then he had to step down from that.

1:27:55 And then that was given for two years to Howard Hunter and then replaced by Leonard Arrington because they kind of wanted this new more professionally trained. They actually brought him in, because he was professionally trained and they They wanted this kind of progressive idealism with creeping in and they wanted somebody more professional and he was, he was constantly being called on the carpet, especially by Ezra Taft. Benson that was a big battle in his time. He wrote this is Arrington himself wrote that he was unable to reconcile scientific. Truth regarding the Book of Mormon with what he assumed to be elements of religious truth.

1:28:36 He literally doubted, the book of Mormons truthfulness or historicity. Now he admitted that he only ever read through. The Book of Mormon, one time in his life, he had also said that, he, he said that Joseph thought he saw the father, and the son, and a mystical sense. And that the Book of Mormon did not exist in a concrete literal sense and said the scriptures are not themselves. Divine revelation, holy cow. So these do you know, this is your bring this in and even though that's why I said, it doesn't really matter because all the Divergent groups, still read the history that is coming out of BYU. They're still reading a book, you know, the papers Joseph Smith, papers, the words of Joseph teachings, of the Prophet Joseph. That was compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith. So we've all grown up no matter where you come from. If you You're Mormon at all, you've come from and red and been influenced by these things that are coming down the pipe. Oh man, talk about letting the Enemy Inside the gate. Right.

1:29:50 So Leonard Arrington sets in motion, the rewriting of the traditional Latter-Day. Saint history from top to bottom. Okay, he changes it by taking out the Miracles and focusing on the economics. Okay. That's the lot of a way that not just in Mormon history, but in all of Christian history, they take out the Miracles or the workings. And they try to turn it into a mechanical year doing this for the purpose of making money. It's all about. Survival of the fittest. It's all about getting and whoever's the most economically, you know, successful. So that's what Leonard Arrington did to. He took out some of the Miracles and spent in the rewrite of the LDS church history, he spent ten Pages, talking about zcm.

1:30:37 I and took out the spiritual things that had happened to the Saints when they came to the valley. It is some ways that seems kind of marxian if that's a good way of putting it, because it's almost like he's setting up this idea of the oppressed versus the oppressor class, right? Because you're, if you If you take out the Miracles and it's just a Treatise on economy that was kind of marxist. Marching. Yeah, I propose that it's more luciferian because he's a Marxist is serving. That's the common. Here is the is Lucifer, Satan, he is the common thread in all of this, right?

1:31:25 So, Leonard Arrington, he's now dead and he's passed on and he has whatever his just rewards are, but this guy still alive, Richard Bushman, he he was the acolyte of Arrington. In fact, Arrington was training him to be the new guy. Yep. You know, for whatever reason and he's successful, he served as the editor, for the Joseph Smith papers, and now serves on the national Advisory board for them. So he's influential have been called one of the most important. Scholars of American religious history in the late 20th century. And he taught at Columbia. BYU Harvard, Austin University of Delaware. So he's pretty well credentialed, right?

1:32:07 He's the guy that has all the stuff and he publishes this book in 2005. Rough Stone Rolling. And rough Stone Rolling disparages the Smith family it. Yep, this takes us all the way back to Nathaniel Hawthorne, and the magic and the witches, and that kind of stuff. And this is what what Bushman did is he actually, Richard Bushman took the magic of those witchcraft areas and he tries to infuse it into the Smith family and he does it through the use of all anti-mormon material. He There's no accounts no contemporary accounts that have the Smith family involved in any kind of Witchcraft whatsoever. But Bushman puts it out there and gives the credibility from these anti-mormon Publications and gives them the same reliability.

1:33:01 Its Joseph's own friends, so it's let's go, let's go find Dave's enemies and we're going to listen to them and we're going to not talk to your friends with we're going to talk to your enemies and that's who we're going to believe the most and that's what Richard Bushman did. And And rough Stone Rolling. You know, and it doesn't stop. I just Russ, I just last just yesterday, you know, Saturday, excuse me, just Saturday, I did a podcast on debunking, the latest theory around Joseph Smith, which was he was taking mushrooms, and that's how he got his Visions. I mean, it never stops. That's just crazy, it's nuts.

1:33:47 So, 100,000 copies have been sold and this guy right here is gone Berlin. And, in fact, you know, I like to just talk about John Nolan about how he uses rough Stone Rolling. He, he said, said his vidcast with the book, rough Stone Rolling, and no man knows my history kind of set up behind him, so when you're looking at him, you're seeing these two things, right? Yep. I have a quick clip. Can I play a clip for you? Please do. Please do. You've got the guy that's the most prolific anti-mormon of our day.

1:34:53 Straight up telling us. Rough Stone Rolling is anti-mormon. Yeah. And and it gets worse than that even rust because I saw a like a video clip on somebody's phone of Bushman giving like this private Fireside somewhere here. Utah. And he and basically, he says, we have to rewrite our history, right? If the church wants to survive, if Mormonism wants to survive, we have to rewrite the history but we write it with what? Yeah. And we've got to take Joseph off his pedestal, we gotta, you know, that's, that's destroy our history.

1:35:37 Let's just somehow that's going to help us survive. And, you know, I talked to Hannah Stoddard about the same thing, right? What? It's the same pattern if you look at what they did to the founders, right? Which was if you want to, quote, progress past the Constitution, you first have to progress past the founders. And so they discredited the founders and I think now we're at a point to where we're starting to see that. Same tactic being used within Mormonism. Sure, that's exactly right. The same person who wrote no, man knows my history. On Brody, she also wrote a book to disparage, Thomas Jefferson.

1:36:19 That's where the whole idea of Sally Hastings. The child that, you know, that's born out of wedlock to one of his slaves. That all comes from the same mindset, where she does this psychological psychological analysis of these two people and of. And so yeah. Joseph Smith and and Thomas Jefferson both get to fall under her her Mighty pen. And in the thing is once those narratives take root Good luck. Because even a DNA test, that clearly showed that, that Sally's kids weren't Jefferson's, didn't matter, didn't matter, right? The narrative is there. The Narrative is set and that's what's been grabbed, hold of.

1:37:04 Well I'm going to show you a picture here because this is what you're going to see if you go to BYU today to the bean Life Sciences Museum. This is a full-on Evolution exhibit showing the evolution of man and showing the evolution of the skulls of these and in on their official page they say the church has no official position on the theory of evolution. And so they've kind of set this whole stage that it's true that we shouldn't be looking at the scriptures. We should just be looking at science. Tea organic evolution or changes inherited traits over time is a matter for scientific study, their website says In other words, it's not a matter to be discussing in religion, it's all about science. Now, if you go to that same Museum, And you've decided to go to the second floor.

1:38:01 You're going to go up a series of steps that will lead you with a serpent to the second floor at BYU at BYU. So the universities are literally the new temples to this ancient religion. How do they get away with it though, right? Why doesn't Why hasn't someone stepped in and said enough enough? Right? You want that? Go to go to Harvard, go to Yale. Go to anywhere else. How does that survive? How does that thrive at BYU?

1:38:45 Well, it's maddening. This is where we turn the corner. BNC 86 the wheat and the tares. And whenever the Savior gave a parable, he used the parable to teach a lesson and Joseph Smith actually did a lot of the same things so we can look at nature as as our thing. And what he said is that in section 86 is the field, is the world in the apostles are the Sowers of the seed. This is the, this is how the Lord is interpreting, the wheat and the tares to Joseph Smith. So I encourage you to read The whole section 86 but the I'm just extracting a couple things here and after they've fallen asleep.

1:39:25 Now there's only two times. The apostles are on the Earth, right? You've only got of Christ or the time of Joseph. So when he's receiving this Revelation, he says after they have fallen asleep, the great persecutor of the church, the apostate, the whore even Babylon, that maketh All Nations to drink of her Cup in whose Hearts, the enemy even Satan's its terrain behold. He So with the tears are for the tears, choke the, we can drive the church Into the Wilderness, this the same wording and that we tears that he's describing here is actually the words that Nephi uses to describe the great and abominable church. So these things are kind of side by side, okay?

1:40:08 So the tears are planted that the apostles fall asleep. The tears get planted and in the same section it says, let the wheat and the tares grow together until the Harvest is fully right. I think we're fully ripe and the, the thing we need to do now is gather out the wheat, from among the tears to me, that is go get your children out, get your children out from among the tears, get them out of the school and that's really what we need to do. There's we need to ask this question. Is there really no official position on Evolution or the age of the Earth? Okay, how do we know about the creation the fall or the great flood?

1:40:51 Is it, as they say in modern education? Is it just a myth as Progressive? Education tells us or you might hear is even worse. One. Did the creator get it wrong? When he told Moses, how he created the Earth? So where exactly does this new modern science Merit narrative come from. So there's a process called eisegesis. That means we take our our interpretation of the world and we shove it into Genesis not all of us do that to some degree when we're thinking about, how to make sense of what we learn in school with what the Bible says. We start blending our theology, we bring in the outside influence and we force it into Genesis what we really like. The philosophies of men, mingled with scripture precisely. Yeah.

1:41:41 This is what we really should be doing, is taking what Genesis says and then using it to interpret the world. Okay, so this question. That is posed. Clear? Back in a t-33 when Christ is standing before, Pontius Pilate and pilate asked this question, I think this is hugely important. What is truth The Christ had already answered that. He said, I am the way, the truth and the life and no man cometh unto the father. But by me, So in 1833, Joseph Smith receives a revelation. And he says in this Revelation Christ is speaking to Joseph Smith, Sidney, Rigdon and Frederick G Williams. The first presidency of the church, so there's no higher authority.

1:42:32 He speaking to all of us and this is encoded in section 93. I've commanded you to bring up your children in light and Truth. And then he says but you have not taught your children light and Truth according to the Commandments and that Wicked one has power as yet over you and this is the cause of your affliction. Now, if we take it in context of our day today, the cause of our Affliction is, we haven't been teaching them light and Truth. And then the Lord gives him a commandment. He says, if you will be delivered, you shall set in order your own house for there are many things that are not right in your house. Okay, so he's turning it back to us through our own homes. This is father's mother's.

1:43:19 Look at your own homes. This is where you need to do. Okay so we should ask this question what is light and truth and DNC 93. It says the glory of God is intelligence or in other words, light and truth. So we need to teach our kids, the glory of God and then this is something else. That's pretty cool. He says, the truth is knowledge of things as they are as they were And as they are to come. So truth is knowledge of things, right, right? What what's the tree that Adam and Eve were told that they cannot partake of or it would bring death knowledge of Good and Evil.

1:44:01 Well the it's the tree of the fruit of the tree of knowledge and we say of Good and Evil and that kind of diminishes what you just said. So truth is knowledge. And if it's the truth, the fruit of the tree of knowledge then what is it? The fruit of the tree of Truth Right toe there. / taking of this truth, which is light. And remember, Lee hyper takes of the fruit of the tree of light, right? It's white and it's like, yeah, you know, he goes out of his way to say it was white above all other white, he'd seen to that point and yeah, no, you're right. So that's what it is.

1:44:42 Is it that's light? That's the truth right there. That's knowledge of truth and light. It's all it's all tied together and that's the one that the great an abominable church is mocking that church that's up in the air. There's mocking the people that are participating in the partaking of the fruit of the tree of knowledge. That's the fruit that we are here on Earth to take to partake of. Okay. Now talk about we've been talking about 1830 and all these things that are going on, right? This is when all of modern science is adopting the whole idea of a billions of year old Earth and evolution. Okay 1830 well this is the same year.

1:45:23 The principles of geology is published, it's also the same year of the Book of Mormon was published. Yeah. But you months after the Book of Mormons published Joseph receives a Relation to translate the Bible. Okay. And then the translation of the Bible, this is in July of 1830, the very first thing that happens is he receives A revelation about Moses and what happened with Moses on Mount Sinai. Okay, and Moses has a counties that he's a, he has his counsel with the crater, it goes up the burning bush. Right? That says, take your the put the shoes off your feet. So he's actually meeting with the Creator and the Creator tells him things, and you can read Moses.

1:46:09 And, you know, know the most of it I'm going to just draw out a couple of points here. As one, he says Moses, I will speak to you concerning the Earth upon which you stand and I want you to write the things which isil speak. This is in the revelation, we can read it as Moses, chapter 1. If you have an inspired version, we actually have those. I bought 1000 of those Bibles. It'll be here in July. I mean January, wow of the inspired virgin Deluxe leather version. And anyway you can really this is the Revelation that Joseph Smith receives and then chapter 1 of Genesis or Moses chapter 2, it says it came to pass the Lord spoke to Moses saying behold I Oh, unto you concerning this heaven and this Earth write The Words which I speak so he tells them I'm going to tell you and then he says, okay now I'm going to tell you now let's compare these two.

1:47:03 Okay first of all, then the King James version. It says, in the beginning, God created the Heaven and the Earth and the Earth was without form and void. And darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, let there be light and there was light. Now, in the inspired version, it changes it to this. Yay. In the beginning, I created the Heaven and the Earth upon, which thou standest. And the Earth was without form and void. And I cause Darkness to come upon the face of the need and my spirit moved upon the face of the waters for. I am God, and I God said, let there be light, and there was light. You see the difference?

1:47:47 Yeah, in the original King James. It is in third person. Narrative, but in the inspired version, it is in first-person narrative. It is the creator telling my story. It's my story right now the yeah, the Lord's talking to Moses. Just like you said, Moses, write this down and he's telling him my story of how I created the Heaven and the Earth. He's not making a mistake or an assumption or telling him to go, grab some information from some Ian text, he's telling him. This is my story. And to me that's about as official and a position as you can get church. This is from Joseph Smith as a revelation given to him by commandment to do it.

1:48:38 And we need to literally put that into our brains all the time. So in first Nephi chapter 13 is says They seized the formation of a great. An abominable Church founded by the Devil with the intent of bringing the people into captivity. And in chapter 14, it says there are two churches. Only one is the Lamb of God, the others, the Church of the devil. And then in section 88 it clarifies that another Angel shall say, the great church, the mother of abomination, she's the tears of the earth so that great church. Remember there's only two churches. So great you can see 80s has that great church the mother of abomination she's the tears and section. 88 told us that the enemy plants the tears. You see that that how that all connects to that, absolutely. So it comes down to Simply this this is a story of three prophets, no matter what side you want to be on. It's a story of three prophets either. The three Province called of God, Moses who receives this Revelation from God.

1:49:45 This is how I did it. Joseph Smith who receives and actually meets Moses by the way, meets him in the Kirtland Temple. Yep. Defy. Who prophesize of it. So these three together form, this Triune of profits, that All of the creation tell of the lie that's going to be told warned against it and receive the Revelation to teach to tell us, you better teach your children, the light and Truth which is the true creation set in order your houses or you can choose to believe these guys Charles Lyell Charles Darwin and Karl Marx. That's that's really what it comes down to, which of those two are the prophets in your home, that get the most credibility. Now we probably have some of both But I would submit, we need to get rid of one group and teach our children light and Truth.

1:50:52 So Russ real quick. And I'm just going to ask you to be Blunt honest, I'm a guy who values just being blunt. That's what I love about the gospel is that there's not a lot of gray area, right? Let's talk about how how we can do that, right? How we can go and get our kids because for a lot of folks and I sympathize with them, right? And we saw this during covid, is that We're now in a society where people feel that it takes two incomes, just to make it work, right? Just to get by, how do we go and get our kids? How do we do that?

1:51:42 Well I'm going to be blunt to because I think quite frankly figure out how to get your kids out of school. If you means you had to live on less got to sell some of your toys. Got to do something. God knows your need. He'll help you do it. Get your kids out of school and I'm not the only one, you've their secular species. Candace Owens is saying, she said the same thing. Get your kids out of school. We've only touched on the on the top level stuff, there are things that are even worse. I think you've got to Get your kids out of school but he didn't even in our own churches. We need to remember that. Joseph Smith was given a revelation during the formation of the church that said that we the church and he said he speaking.

1:52:23 He says and that church it says speaking to the church that we need to give heed to all his words and Commandments Joseph were received the Bible the translation by commandment from God and they are his words and if we don't teach them and section 93, It says teach them light and truth. And if we do this, if we will teach them truth, the Gates of Hell shall not Prevail against us. And the Lord God will disperse the powers of Darkness, from before you and cause the Heavens to shake for your good. That's a promise. It was given to us if we will listen to what Joseph Smith said and will read this, those inspired version of The Gospel, it's absolutely there in front of us. So I would say that.

1:53:11 Get your kids out of school. Don't just teach them the classics. Don't take them out and teach him a secular education, get into something that you can. And in fact, one of the things we in our whole philosophy, our homeschool is the first year just get them out and have them be by you not on school. These School them, General learn more. If Dave Sanders kids came home and spent the day with Dave and his wife, they will learn more. Than they would ever learn at school, just teach him what, you know, just have conversation, you know? And realize that the universal model is something that the even you and I didn't grow up with and so how can you teach something you don't know. That means you need to learn it with them. Yeah.

1:53:59 Study the inspired version of the Bible with your kids not just gloss over like we're doing and come follow me, that's great that we have that but we should dive into and study. Regenesis. The entire gospel is in the first twelve chapters of the inspired version of Genesis. you know, I'm I usually try to be very measured in what I say on here because I never want to go off half-cocked. however, and I don't say this lightly, we are in a battle for the souls of our children, all of us, whether you're a fundamentalist, whether you're a mainstream LDS guy, whether you're, you know, somewhere in between. I don't care if you're Catholic, I don't care. If you're Protestant or Lutheran or whatever the case is, we are right now in a battle for the souls of our children. And if we don't recognize what it is, whether we like it or not, the powers of Darkness have declared war on us, and it's going to be up to us to respond right now. I'm not talking violence.

1:55:15 I'm just talking about getting your kids out of that system that meat grinder and bring them home and I get it there sacrifices to be made. We've certainly had to make ours but it's If we don't the price is too high, it is too high. I agree. It's just and I don't know, I mean I'm not trying to make anybody's life hard but the bottom line is, we have our first and most important fundamental responsibility is to our children, turning the hearts of our children to us and US turning our hearts to them and figuring. However, we got to do it, whatever you can work out with family with friends with coops with Something. But like I say don't just bring the classics in find ways that you can teach that.

1:56:07 You can fulfill what Joseph said to teach light and truth and I think the scriptures you got to integrate the scriptures and if it teaches something that's not true to scriptures don't teach it. Don't teach Things that teach Evolution. It's you know, I mean it's okay to teach them in a sense that they need to know because we don't want them to be so ignorant when they get out in the world that they don't know about this, we need to teach them but we need to expose the darkness. Absolutely. You know, the other thing I remember when we jerked are twins out of school and I worked in a place where this this lady came and said you know I don't think I could ever do that cuz I'm not qualified.

1:56:58 And I just remember thinking, what do you mean? You're not qualified. You're you're uniquely qualified to teach your kids. They are our children. We know better than any teacher. Any Administration, any principle, any school counselor? We are uniquely qualified because they're ours. And I think for too long, we've bought into this lie that unless we have a degree. We we can't teach our kids. Yeah, I totally agree with you today that's if there's one thing we could do is convince parents that you're enough. You can do it your enough. Don't worry about, don't worry about you.

1:57:40 They don't need a social group of people to go be taught by their peers. They'll have plenty of opportunity to do it, you know. Don't worry about that. You don't know enough of that. You're going to somehow stifle them. It's just simply not true. No, they'll teach them engage them in conversation about things. Yeah. And you know what, if your kids don't fit into the society? Good good. You've done what you were supposed to good. Well I think that even more than that let's let's start teaching them to become as I am like people. Yep, let's teach him the truth and knowledge and let's teach them not to fight in the coral and to look for each other and to help out and do what we're all of us. If we, if you're baptized then you've made a commitment to Bear the name of Christ and the bear, the burdens of others who have made that same commitment.

1:58:33 Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, Russ, you're an absolute rock star, dude, I could sit and talk with you all night. I really could. So let's do it again soon because I want to dive back into the science stuff there with the universal model. Yeah, I'd like to to I'm I'd like to kind of dive into our teaching philosophy and how would we take in the Universal model and geography? And kind of brought it into workbooks that we use and how we use them? Because it's a little different. It's Project based, and it's based on Conversation. It's not there's no teacher Ki actually the spirit. Guided us not to do that for the very expression reason that that we need to learn how to listen to the spirit in our teaching, so maybe we can do that again.

1:59:24 We can jump into both the science solutely that science. Absolutely, that sounds fantastic. Let's, let's stick around after we end the recording and you and I will work out a time, okay, sounds good. Thanks Dave, awesome, thank you. Russ. All right, everyone. See you next time.