Episode #222: The Armour of God Series PT4-The Sheild of Faith W/Joseph Hammonds

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Joseph, how's it going?
Going good.

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It's been pretty cold, man.
We just, we had a cold snap and

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it's just been nuts.
OK, I I can totally sympathize

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with you.
So Christmas here this year was,

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was like, oh, 71° here is what
it was for Christmas And then

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like 2 days after Christmas it
had a high of like 20 something.

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And I'm like that's, that can't
be legal.

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That can't be right.
We can't do it that way.

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That's rough.
So no, I I totally get you how

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cold it get down there.
Let's see, we had to, we had a

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bunch of snow got down to like
15° and just like you, Christmas

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Day was like 68° and I'm like,
this is the day to wear flannel.

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This, this is horrible.
So it's just been back and forth

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and, you know, little sickness
kind of went through the house

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because of it.
But we're we're all healing up,

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dude.
Everybody I've talked to has it,

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I mean like it's, it's going
everywhere.

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It is so, but it, it burns out
pretty quick from what I can

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tell.
So that's you got that going for

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you.
But just before we get going

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here, let's get your Mormon
credit a little bit.

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How's that sound?
Sure.

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So were you born in the LDS
church?

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Were you born a fundamentalist?
I mean, where?

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Where are you coming from here?
I came from the opposite

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spectrum.
I was raised in the Baptist

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Church, then Southern Baptist,
and then Independent Baptist.

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Actually.
When?

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I love Mormons.
Oh my goodness, you seen that

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movie.
The BBQ movie, right?

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Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

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That's how it that's how it is
in Virginia.

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But let's see, essentially, when
I went to join the church, well,

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let's start like this.
The missionaries came to my

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grandpa's house.
And I look out the window and I

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see these two guys in suits
holding a blue book.

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I'm like, oh, man, the Mormons
are here, so I'll go to the

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door.
And my whole intent was to

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convert them to like what I
believed.

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And as you can tell today, that
did not work.

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It's like, it's like that Will
Ferrell movie with what's his

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name, the Mark Wahlberg, the
other guys where he goes.

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How'd that work out for you?
Yep, not like you thought.

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Nope, not like I thought, but
you know, so I was baptized in

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April of 2012.
And to that point from when I

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first met the missionaries to
when I was baptized was a year

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and a half.
And there was this one

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missionary from Idaho, his
name's Elder Eborn.

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I'll just, there's so many
Eborns in Idaho.

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You know, he actually served in
the same area for like I think 6

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months in the same mission, the
same apartment.

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And his last day there was the
day that I was baptized.

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So he baptized me.
The next morning, he was flying

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back to Idaho.
Actually, so.

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And you were in Virginia at this
point?

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Virginia, Yeah.
What part of Idaho was he from?

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Around the Pocatello, I believe
that's he's from from that area.

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But yeah, he's gone home now.
He has a big red beard.

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I call him the ginger Brigham
Young.

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So, yeah, nice.
But we, we talk quite a bit.

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But yeah, that was my story
into, you know, Mormonism.

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Oh, like, let's stay there for
just a second as you're as

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you're a Baptist, right?
Like and they sit down and they

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present to you.
What year would this have been,

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Joe?
The IT was the I'm a Mormon

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campaign, so 2020 11/20/12.
OK, OK, so they're they're

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definitely doing come follow or
preach my gospel.

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They're not doing the pamphlets
anymore like when I joined.

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So like as they start getting
into various doctrines though I

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mean for a Baptist like things
like, I don't know, non

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trinitarianism, vicarious work
for the dead, eternal ceilings,

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like none of this is like
throwing up a red flag to you at

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all as a Baptist.
Oh, it was, I think my biggest

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contention with film was the
baptism for the dead.

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I was like, how in the world do
you do that?

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I was like, I mean, are you like
cosplaying when you do it?

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I was like, how does this work?
And you know that I struggle

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with that for at least 6668
months, so.

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But yeah, yeah.
Gotcha.

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And then so how, how did those
get resolved?

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Elder Eborn, I mean, he really,
he had the patience of a St.

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He just really walked through
with me and I don't know, just

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something he said that it just
clicked with me.

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You know, he was like, Joey,
think about this.

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You know, he's like, where did
Jesus go when, you know, after,

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you know, he was crucified?
I was like, he went to, I

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thought at the time he went to
heaven.

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That shows you how much I knew.
He's like, no, he went to the

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Spirit prison and preached to
the dead.

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He was like, he was like, you
know, these things happen after

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death.
You know, God's not going to

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throw you away forever.
And it clicked.

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I was like, that makes sense.
So let me ask you this, what

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were you converted for
spiritually or were you

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converted?
Converted like intellectually,

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right?
Because I have seen it.

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And, and this is what makes
Mormonism interesting.

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And I think it's, this is what
makes Mormonism really unique in

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all of Christendom is that it
has the ability to appeal to

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both your heart and your head,
right?

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Because like the, the, the thing
that Mormonism and the thing

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that Mormonism says is that like
all those scriptures that people

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have been struggling with for
years out of the New Testament,

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the Old Testament, we got the
answers to, right?

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And so did did it appeal first
to your head or to your heart?

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It was actually my heart because
I called them.

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We had a big, massive debate.
I mean, it got pretty fiery and

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they just said we're not coming
back.

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But I called them the next day
just during the night time.

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I was thinking about it and all
of a sudden, for some reason, it

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didn't make sense to me.
I knew it was true.

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So I called them the next day.
They're like, hey, Brother

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Hammonds, mission president told
us not to come by anymore.

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He's like, I was like, well, I'm
ready to be baptized.

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They're like, why?
I was like, my heart was on fire

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last night.
And I know it's true, but I

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don't know how.
And so they ended up baptizing

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me.
And as I went on and studied

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more and more, it just things
fell into place.

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Gotcha.
Gotcha.

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Yeah, OK.
So how do you get to

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fundamentalism?
Oh, man, it was such an

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interesting journey.
I just noticed that the church

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itself was really backtracking
on things that even I was taught

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when I was, you know, an
investigator.

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For me, really the I guess you
could say it had to do with Adam

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God, because that was the first
thing that I had studied.

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I read a quote by Brigham Young,
I can't remember which one it

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was where he was talking about,
you know, him like how him and

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Mother Eve came to this planet
and, you know, blood into their

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veins.
I was like, are they saying as

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Brigham saying that he's God?
And that's what started it,

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started researching that topic
for a long time, you know, and I

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kind of got to this phase with
the church where I was kind of

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just, I was there, but I wasn't.
I think you've talked about that

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before.
Like I was, I don't know.

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I was.
Yeah, I was physically, yeah,

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Yeah.
And really that I started seeing

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things more and I just was
posting that was making sense.

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And he was at through him was
how I came to your podcast.

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So you and Maro and I really
were my source for like

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fundamentalist teachings.
So that's how I've gotten to

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this point was like, do you
know, just the study of like

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backtracking's and stuff.
And another big point for me was

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when my wife and I went through
the temple, I was like, none of

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this makes sense.
I was like, nothing fits

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together.
You could really tell I'm saying

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this respectfully, that things
were just pulled out of it and

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then they never, you know, put
something in that made sense

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anymore.
It's like everything felt

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discombobulated, I guess you can
say.

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So, yeah, that was her, both her
and I experiencing.

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We were like, you know, this is
somewhat the spirit was there,

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but nothing made sense so.
So you're investigating

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fundamentalism first.
Tell me about how it is.

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You talk to Amy about it, right?
Because it's one thing for the

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guy when they go, oh, crap,
right?

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Like I think this is legit.
But then you got to go talk to

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your wife about it, right?
And if I'm not mistaken, the

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first time you and I talked,
that was my advice to you,

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right?
Was like you need to go talk to

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your wife and then call me back.
Oh yeah.

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So yeah.
So essentially we sat down the

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first time to study the Adam God
Doctrine. 5 minutes in, shut

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down and I was so heartbroken.
So we just kind of just did the

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normal thing.
We were going to church for a

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little bit and, you know, and
then I kind of mentioned it to

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her again.
I was like, look, we really need

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to study this.
And she's like, OK, so we

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started studying it a little
bit.

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Then we ended up going to the
temple and I was like, kind of

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pay attention to Adam when we go
in there.

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And even though they've tried to
redact a lot of the stuff with

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like the endowment as it is now,
yeah, Adam, God is still there.

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And the IT just, it's it's there
and they try to get rid of it.

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I think that's divine thing,
thankfully.

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But for her, that was her like,
OK, I really need to start

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studying Adam.
So we actually downloaded some

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what is it like study guides off
of the Mormon fundamentalist

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Facebook group.
What we did was, you know, once

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a night for like an hour, we'd
sit down and we systematically

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studied the Adam God doctrine.
You know, like Joseph said, you

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start the bottom of the ladder
and you work your way up.

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We started with the simple
things and let it build upon

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each other.
And then all of a sudden I come

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home and there's like 15
pamphlets on the couch from like

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the branch and my wife is
reading about like, celestial

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marriage.
And I'm like, you go, girl, at

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first it was, it was a hard
conversation because I feel like

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when you go to tell your wife
that, you know, you're studying

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fundamentalism, they research it
and the first thing you see is

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like celestial marriage, like
polygamy.

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And it's, it's, it's not, it
wasn't the case for me.

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It was like Adam, God, because I
felt like God wasn't so far away

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from me, like he understands who
I am, you know, So, but that was

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really how it started.
I mean, it was a hard

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conversation at first, but then
the the Lord really opened her

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heart and then she was kind of
pulling me behind her as we

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study these things.
Got you.

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Yep, yeah, Yep.
No.

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What it like I I've told guys
this too, right.

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If if your wife can get get on
board when she gets on board,

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she'll absolutely outpace you in
it.

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Oh.
Yes.

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That seems to be one thing that
seems to be, I won't say quite

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universal, but it's pretty
close, right That that once once

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the sisters get a hold of it and
they're like, oh man, this is

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true.
It's just off you go.

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And they'll sometimes they
outpace their husbands at it

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and, and I'm not sure why that
is other than they're just

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better than us sometimes.
But Amy right now is she's

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sitting at the the table with
the Ensign to the nation's book

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and just going through it.
So yeah, she's outpacing me

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right now.
Yeah, yeah, I hear you.

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Mine, mine do it all the time.
Get used, get used to it.

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So no, that's that's great
stuff.

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So dude, we're we're we're still
on the Armor of God series, and

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yours was the Shield of Faith.
So I'm anxious to get in.

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So what'd you find?
So there's actually quite a bit

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that I, I was going through and
studying.

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I kind of have my document open
here.

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So let's, I guess, let's start
by reading the passage.

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This is from the inspired
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It says, above all, taking the
shield of faith wherewith ye

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shall be able to quench all the
fiery darts of the wicked.

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So when I was going through
this, and this is going to be a

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little bit, you know, basic, but
let's start with the basics.

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Like Dave, what?
What is faith like to you?

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Well, there's, there's a couple
of ways to look at this, right.

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You can give kind of the canned
standard answered, which is

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correct.
It's a, it's a, it's a belief

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and a hope and things that you
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But I think it goes deeper than
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I think, you know, if, if we
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think it's very, it makes a very
compelling case for this idea of

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everything we do is, is inspired
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We wouldn't do anything if we
didn't have some sort of faith

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in the outcome, right?
And we exercise it all the time.

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When you wake up in the morning
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turn on the light, you don't
even think about, you just have

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faith that it's going to work,
that the lights are going to

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come on.
And so more than to me, I like

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the answer of it's the great
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humanity. more than I like.
Just a belief in things you

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know, hoped for, but unseen.
There you go.

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So yeah, that's that's that's
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Yeah.
And I was going through this.

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I was like, so let me dive into
like some of the original, you

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know, like the Greek and the
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So in context of Ephesians 616,
the word faith means firm

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persuasion.
It's translated, translated in

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the KJB.
It's like faith, assurance,

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belief, fidelity.
But when you get to the ancient

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Hebrew, I think it's, you know,
really neat in the ancient

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Hebrew, like faith means to
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But when you even get deeper
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actually relates to like kind or
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dogs, stuff like that.
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the ancient Hebrew lexicon of
the Bible, it says each species

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continues by passing its blood
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which comes from the parent.
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through the blood.
So essentially, you know, dogs

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are going to reproduce dogs,
you're sure of that.

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They're not going to reproduce
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Cats aren't going to produce,
you know, shrimp, they're going

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to produce cats.
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I think Ogden Kraut wrote about
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only produce celestial beings,
not mortal ones, you know?

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So if you kind of combine those
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it, it's like a surety.
It's like, I know for a fact

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that this is what's going to
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So that's the beauty of studying
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Yeah.
So you mentioned lectures on

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faith.
So for me, when I first read the

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lectures on faith, it completely
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So let's just kind of go through
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So let's see here trying to get
this to work with me.

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So in the Lectures of Faith it
teaches that faith is the first

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principle of revealed religion,
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righteousness.
It's also teaches us the

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assurance in the unseen.
Faith is the assurance which men

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have of the existence of things
which they have not seen, and

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the principle action and all
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And then it goes on.
It says it's the moving cause

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which you mentioned.
It's the moving cause of action

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in both temporal and spiritual
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It says that here.
It says faith and faith only is

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the moving cause of action in
them, that without it both mind

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and body would be in a state of
inactivity and all their

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exertions would cease.
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continues on, it says.
And as faith is the moving cause

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of all action and temporal
concerns, so is in the

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spiritual.
For the Savior has said and that

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truly that he believeth and is
baptized shall be saved.

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And that makes sense, like you
said, when you get up in the

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morning for me, like I get up at
4:00 in the morning each day, I

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get dressed and I do it because
I know if I go to work, I'm

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going to be able to provide for
my family.

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I have faith that I'll receive
the paycheck.

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You know, when I get into the
car and I'm going to the grocery

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store, I know that, you know, I
have faith that that car is

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going to start.
It's going to get me to where I

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go and I'm going to come back
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And you know, so it makes sense
that it's the moving cause of

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action.
So then it goes on.

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And this was this is the one
that really blew my mind and for

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me.
Let's see if you see it too.

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I get a little hint of the Adam
God in this.

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So it teaches that it's the
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And here we go by this we
understand that the principle of

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power which existed in the bosom
of God, by which the world's

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were framed, was faith, and that
by reason of this principle of

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power existing in the deity,
that all created things exist.

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So that all things in heaven, on
earth, or under the earth exist

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by reason of faith as it existed
in him.

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Had it not been for the
principle of faith, the world's

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would have never been framed,
neither would man have been

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formed of the dust.
It is the principle by which

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Jehovah works and through which
he exercises power over all

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temporal as well as eternal
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Take this principle or
attribute, for it is an

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attribute from the deity, and he
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So for me, I, I never realized
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And it's kind of hinted at in
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the world was framed.
It was by faith in Father Adam

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that the world's were framed.
So you know, he had faith and I

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never, I never thought about
that concerning God, especially

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as a Baptist.
I was like, God doesn't need

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faith.
We need faith to believe in him.

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No, it's teaching that God had
faith and through faith,

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everything that we see around us
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That's just beautiful.
So just continues on just a

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little bit more.
It says it was by faith that the

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world's are framed, God spake,
chaos heard and worlds came into

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order by reason of the faith
there was in him.

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So with man also.
He spake by faith in the name of

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God.
And the sun stood still, the

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moon obeyed, mountains removed,
prisons fell, lions mouths were

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closed, the human heart lost its
enmity, fire is violence, armies

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their power, the sword its
terror, and death its dominion.

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And all this by reason of the
faith which was in them.

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So like I asked you in the
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So what is faith then?
And you really actually hit this

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round the money.
It was like.

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Faith then is the first great
governing principle which has

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power, dominion, and authority
over all things.

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By it they exist, by it they are
upheld, by it they are changed,

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or by it they remain agreeably
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Without it, there is no power,
and without power there could be

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no creation nor existence.
And I think it's beautiful with

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that verse that we started with
with in Ephesians 616.

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It says, above all, you know it.
Above all, the shield of faith,

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you know it's it's because faith
is the first great governing

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principle.
You know, when we get right down

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to it, I think faith eyes in
with hope a lot.

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It does.
If we look at some of the darker

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times in history and we hear
about people who survived that,

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they speak a lot about hope and
faith.

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I don't think you can really
have hope in anything until you

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have a little bit of faith
first.

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I don't think it's by accident
that no matter what 12 step

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program you're going to work,
whether that's through

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Alcoholics Anonymous or any
other recovery program, almost

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universal, universally, the
first thing they say is you have

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to surrender to a higher power,
right?

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They, they, they won't say
Christ, they won't say, you

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know, the God of Abraham, Isaac
and Jacob, but they say you got

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to surrender to a higher power,
a recognition that there's

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something bigger than yourself.
And I think it's really

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interesting that that even those
who seek to heal others from

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addiction and that sort of thing
understand and recognize that

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hope can't spring from nothing.
Exactly.

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Faith can't spring from nothing.
You have, there has to be

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something you put your faith in,
otherwise you become nihilistic.

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And so I do think that that you
know, as as things continue to

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degrade in society and that sort
of thing, I think if we want to

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have hope, we have to have faith
first.

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Exactly.
Exactly.

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And you know, I'm, there's been
plenty of times, you know, there

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was a really, you know, dark
time I went through back in like

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2015.
I just want to put a little TW,

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I guess you could say.
So I lost three family members

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in a pretty horrible way.
It was a homicide, you know, And

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I remember, I remember just
like, I don't know, I like it

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got to the point where I felt
hopeless.

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And it was, I was just in like,
robot mode, you know?

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And it took a long time for me
to actually get back to the

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point where, you know, I felt
joy.

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I felt hope, you know, I
actually looked forward to

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things and just be feeling like
that, not having hope, that is.

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That's just a grim way to live,
you know?

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And yeah, could you even really
call it life, you know?

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Oh, OK, quick, quick example of
this.

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There was a, there was a show I
was really enjoyed watching a

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few years back called Alone.
It was on The History Channel.

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And basically what they did is
they they, they took people and

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they just stuck them, you know,
up in Alaska in the wilderness

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or, or, you know, in some remote
jungle somewhere.

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And it was up to them to
navigate it.

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And here's what I found
interesting.

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It wasn't the people who had,
you know, the best skills that

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won that thing.
The people who won that thing

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were people who were constantly
trying to improve their

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situation.
Oh yeah.

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So they would have set back
still, right?

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They would not.
Everything they tried worked,

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but they didn't stop.
And it got me thinking, why?

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Why do those folks do so well?
And I think this ties in again

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with faith and hope.
It's that there was an idea that

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they possessed that said, if I
just put forth the effort, I can

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make this a little bit better
and I can make it a little bit

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longer, right?
There was an expectation that if

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they did the hard work, it would
pay off.

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And even when it didn't, they
didn't get discouraged by it.

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So I think, and then we have
instances where where we hear of

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Holocaust survivors who said it
was just faith that they could

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hold onto, right?
It was just faith in something

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higher than themselves that at
some point they would be

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delivered.
And I think that that it's so

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it's going to be so important in
these last days that we possess

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that kind of faith or it's going
to get real easy to get hopeless

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really fast.
Oh, exactly.

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And you know, that's that's why,
you know, I love how this verse

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says that faith is a shield.
And I think this is a good time

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to actually cover that point if
you don't mind.

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Yeah, go.
So like when it comes to the

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shield, this is beautiful
imagery.

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So like I did with the other one
that kind of just went back into

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the Greek and it really revealed
something here.

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So in the Greek it's called
Atherios.

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And this this word shield is
only used one time in scripture

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right here.
And if you look at the history

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of that type of shield, it was a
large oblong shield that

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protected every part of the
warrior.

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So a lot of people think of the
medieval shield, you know, the

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little circle on your arm.
No, this thing was actually the

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size of a door, you know, if
you'd like look, I think it was

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what's the movie Troy?
I think it's Troy where they're

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going through and like the the
gladiators are like, you know,

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or the Spartans are going
through and they're holding up

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the shield and they form like
this barrier all around them.

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That's the type of shield this
is talking about.

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So it was protected.
It protected every part of the

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warrior.
It was made of a wood.

445
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It was made of wood covered with
leather and had a pretty

446
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,440
prominent spined boss, that
little line that goes to the

447
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,800
front of the shield and it was
carried using that central hand

448
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,600
grip.
So like when it comes to faith,

449
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:05,320
so faith acts as this type of
shield and the amazing feature

450
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,480
of this type of shield is it
quenches that fiery darts of the

451
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,200
enemy of Satan that are meant
for man.

452
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:18,200
And the root word for shield, it
also means originally a stone

453
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,840
for closing the entrance of a
cave.

454
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:27,080
So this was a door.
Now that's a beautiful imagery

455
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,120
there because, you know, think
of the let's kind of go to the

456
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Hebrew here.
Few months back, Justin Frankham

457
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458
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It was an idea that once I had

459
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460
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461
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491
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So like the basic meaning of the
letter to let in this door, but

492
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,920
has several other meanings
associated with it.

493
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,400
It can mean a back and forth
movement as one goes back and

494
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,760
forth through the tent, you
know, through that door there.

495
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,160
It can also mean dangle as the
tent door dangled down from the

496
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,360
roof pole of the tent.
And it can also mean weak or

497
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,360
poor as one who dangles their
head down.

498
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,440
So I think you've heard this
before.

499
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,680
I think like Joshua and Elliot
talked about this, how like, you

500
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,080
know, Hebrew letters, they have
a number associated with them.

501
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,920
Like, you know, Dilette is the
#4 So if you think about it,

502
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,440
there's 4 cardinal directions,
north-south, east and West.

503
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,680
And on the 4th day, God laid the
foundation of creation to

504
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:10,880
support and give life.
So this isn't no normal shield.

505
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,880
It can put out fire.
And also it doesn't just protect

506
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:21,120
every aspect of our life, it
also gives and supports life as

507
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,480
well.
So this is a pretty special

508
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,520
shield, but also too with the
shield of faith being the door,

509
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,720
it instantly brought up
something that Jesus said in

510
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,800
John 10/9.
He says I am the door by me.

511
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:44,400
If any man enter in, he shall be
saved, shall go in and out.

512
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,120
There's the in and out that the
letter to let was talking about,

513
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,240
you know, in and out and find
pasture.

514
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,840
So and also let's see here,
Jesus also says no.

515
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,760
No, let let let me push back
there just for a second.

516
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,880
You said dolette is is Hebrew
for for for shield, right?

517
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,520
Or is Hebrew for door?
OK, so let me ask you this.

518
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,800
In this case, where we get this
Scripture comes from the Greek

519
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,640
though, right?
It does, it does, and Paul does.

520
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,680
It still carry that.
Does it still carry that same

521
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,040
connotation in the Greek as it
does the Hebrew?

522
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,160
I believe it does because when
it comes to like the original

523
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,280
word for Thorios, I believe I'm
pronouncing that right.

524
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,480
Originally it meant it was a
stone that covered the, it

525
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,080
covered a cave like, you know,
like the the tomb of Jesus you

526
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,880
see in Jerusalem.
It's it was a big massive stone

527
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,400
that acted as a door to block
the entrance to that cave.

528
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,560
So there's some echoing
happening happening right here.

529
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:55,920
Yeah.
I was just curious because sure

530
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:02,640
it, it, it would seem kind of, I
was curious how you were getting

531
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,160
back to the, to the Hebrew if it
was in the Greek, right.

532
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,520
And so I was curious what the
mechanism was that that caused

533
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,360
you to go back to the Hebrew and
and not stay with the Greek on

534
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,320
that.
Yeah, definitely.

535
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,720
And also too, if you think about
it, you know, when Paul did

536
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,200
write in Greek, but he was a
Jew, he understood like these,

537
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,040
you know, these things.
And that's the case with, you

538
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,600
know, the Scriptures themselves.
It is a, it is a Jewish work.

539
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,400
And like I said, even though
Paul did write in that in the

540
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,880
Greek language, he was, he was a
rabbi.

541
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,720
And, you know, he under, he
understood that.

542
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:42,720
So, But yeah, I mean, I'm going
to, if you don't mind, I can

543
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,120
kind of go ahead and continue.
Here go.

544
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:45,160
Ahead.
Sure, thanks.

545
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:50,120
So there's another passage here,
and it comes from Second Nephi

546
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:56,840
3117 through 18 says wherefore
do the things which I have told

547
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,400
you to do.
I have seen that your Lord,

548
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,160
sorry, let me kind of go back
here.

549
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,320
Wherefore do the things which I
have told you I have seen that

550
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,440
your Lord and your Redeemer
should do.

551
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,560
For for this cause have they
been shown unto me, that ye

552
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,840
might know the gate by which you
or ye shall enter.

553
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,440
For the gate by which ye should
enter is repentance and baptism

554
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,400
by water, and then cometh the
remission of your sins by fire

555
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,560
and by the Holy Ghost.
And then are ye in this straight

556
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,080
and narrow path which leads to
eternal life.

557
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,440
Yeah, ye have entered in by the
gate, ye have done according to

558
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,040
the commandments of the Father
and the Son, and ye have

559
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,800
received the Holy Ghost, which
witnesses of the Father and the

560
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,600
Son unto the fulfilling of the
promise which he hath made, that

561
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,520
if ye entered in by the way, ye
should receive.

562
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,280
So this shield of faith, you
know, it's, it's, it's that

563
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,400
door, it's the door by which we
enter.

564
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,000
And also it's the, you know, if
we're burying the shield of

565
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,600
faith, who are we having faith
in?

566
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,600
We're having faith in Christ,
right.

567
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,800
So yeah, that's that's the
portion about the shield that I

568
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,880
had.
So, so let, let's carry this,

569
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,600
this out a little ways here.
So I want to explore this a

570
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:19,320
little more, but I think I think
we should probably look at

571
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,200
those, those fiery darts of the
wind.

572
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,920
I think we should, we should
look at that first and then tie

573
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,800
this back to the door, right?
Because I, I think it's super

574
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,960
important we kind of illuminate
what those things could be

575
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,720
because I think that will then
inform us maybe how that shield

576
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,320
works a little bit, right, How
faith acts as a shield.

577
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,640
So would you find on on like the
fiery darts?

578
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,440
So there was just a little bit
here.

579
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,880
It's only kind of used in three
separate passages.

580
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,240
But when I kind of when I was
thinking about the imagery, like

581
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,400
the fiery darts were like
covered in like back in those

582
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,800
times, it was covered in like
pitch and it was lit, you know,

583
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,520
it was lit in fire and when it
pierced anything that fire would

584
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,000
just spread.
So, you know, think about like,

585
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,800
for instance, envy.
I feel like envy is like the

586
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,639
gateway sin, like essentially
everything that you do like with

587
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:15,920
an envy, it can lead to other
things.

588
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,000
Like for instance, you know, the
dart hits you without the shield

589
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:24,159
of envy and you're looking at
someone else's, you know, spouse

590
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:29,560
that just spreads all over.
It can lead to like adultery and

591
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:35,880
like say anger, you know, that
can spread pretty quickly, lead

592
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,679
to violence.
So and that like, even like

593
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:44,040
illness and there's actually,
there's actually a good story

594
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:49,040
about illness and I have it
right down here and it comes

595
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:54,199
from the scriptures actually.
So let me find it here for one

596
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:56,280
second.
And it's actually the story.

597
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:01,960
Have you heard of Polly Knight?
Oh, OK, So Polly Knight, she was

598
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,040
the mother of Newell Knight.
And they were actually one of

599
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,080
the first settled.
They were actually the first

600
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,920
settlers to get to the land of
Zion in Missouri.

601
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,560
So this comes from his diary and
you're going to see this

602
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,480
progression of the fiery dart,
the shield of faith.

603
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,800
And what what happens when that
shield of faith is activated,

604
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,640
right?
So he wrote, my mother's health

605
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,480
was very poor and had been for a
considerable time, yet she would

606
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,960
not consent to stop traveling.
Her only or her greatest desire.

607
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,840
There's that faith, there's that
faith right There was to set her

608
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,080
feet upon the land of Zion and
to have her body interred in

609
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,000
that land.
Now here's you can kind of see

610
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,480
where his faith is kind of
shaken by this.

611
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,800
He said I went on shore and
bought lumber to make a coffin

612
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,520
in case she should die before we
arrived at her place of

613
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,880
destination.
So fast did she fail, but the

614
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:03,240
Lord gave her the desire of her
heart and she lived to stand

615
00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:07,120
upon that land where we arrived
on the 25th of June.

616
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,960
Like I said, that's from Newell
Knight's diary.

617
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,160
So because of her unwavering
faith, that shield of faith the

618
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,360
Lord lit Polly Knight stand
upon.

619
00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:22,840
Yeah, Polly Knight stand upon
that land and see the foundation

620
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:28,800
of Zion laid in Missouri.
And when she died, it greatly

621
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,440
impacted Joseph.
Joseph and the Knights, they

622
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,840
went real.
They went pretty far back.

623
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,280
He had a really personal
relationship with this woman.

624
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,320
And when she died in they were
at the funeral.

625
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,040
He actually received this
revelation.

626
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,320
It comes from DNC 59 and it's
verses one through 5.

627
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,080
It said, Behold, blessed saith
the Lord, are they who have come

628
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,800
up into this land with an eye
single to my glory, according to

629
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,680
my commandments.
For them that live shall inherit

630
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,400
the earth, and them that die
shall rest from all their

631
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,640
laborers, and their work shall
follow them, and they shall

632
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,040
receive a crown in the mansions
of my Father which I have

633
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,840
prepared for them.
Yeah, and here it is.

634
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:12,960
Blessed are they whose feet
stand upon the land of Zion, who

635
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,560
have obeyed my gospel.
For they shall receive the

636
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,480
reward, the good things of the
earth, and it shall bring forth

637
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,720
its IT shall bring forth in its
strength.

638
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,920
And they shall also be crowned
with blessings from above.

639
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,160
Yeah, and with commandments, not
a few.

640
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,200
And with revelations in their
time that they are faithful and

641
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,200
diligent before me.
So Polly Knight, she had that

642
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,920
face.
She's like Laura, I want to, I

643
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,080
want my feet, even though death
is like knocking at my door.

644
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,440
I want my feet to, you know, to
step into Zion.

645
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:50,080
And what was beautiful, she not
only did she live, she lived to

646
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,400
see those foundations laid
because Joseph and another party

647
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,480
had come down there and they
actually built the first cabin

648
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,680
there.
She saw that she saw Sidney

649
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,880
Rayden and she heard the prayer
that he gave over the

650
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,080
cornerstone, and then she ended
up passing away a couple months.

651
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,960
Later.
That's interesting.

652
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,280
You know, I think those fiery
darts, I thought about this a

653
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,200
lot and I'm going to share a
story here that I have not

654
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,800
shared a personal story that I
haven't shared up to this point

655
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:27,280
because I haven't felt I haven't
felt like I'd had permission to

656
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,960
do so yet because it was it was
absolutely just for me.

657
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,160
So I want to say this the outset
nobody should really take

658
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,240
understand this was for me.
If you can get something from

659
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:41,960
it, great.
If not, that's OK.

660
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:51,440
So about five years ago is when
I received my kind of the the

661
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:56,000
full endowment, if you will, not
not the one that I received in

662
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,760
the LDS Church.
And and that's not a slam on

663
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,880
anyone who's who's attending the
temple at the LDS Church.

664
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:06,000
It's just the ordinance is
different.

665
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,080
And I feel like it's a little
more complete as all not calling

666
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,160
BS on anybody else's experience
here.

667
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:20,680
But before I go there, I need to
go back a lot farther back than

668
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,760
than five years ago.
And this comes from when I was

669
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:30,000
probably, I'm guessing I was
probably 15 or 16 years old.

670
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,000
Now, my old man, he was really
good at making money, but he

671
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,880
sucked at his taxes.
He should have just got an

672
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,360
accountant.
And he didn't.

673
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,160
And so when he died, the federal
government just doesn't go away.

674
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:51,080
And so we had to sell off just
about everything to pay the tax

675
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,640
burden.
And so we got real poor real

676
00:39:55,640 --> 00:40:01,600
fast.
Now, my mom did everything she

677
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,720
could to support us kids.
I was the oldest of four.

678
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:06,600
I worked to help out a little
bit.

679
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,120
I'd worked after football
practice and that sort of thing

680
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,600
to take care of myself and
anything else I could get extra

681
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:18,040
to give to the family.
And one day I'd come home from

682
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,480
school and my mom was at the
kitchen table.

683
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,280
Now my mom worked three jobs to
support those us 4 kids.

684
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:30,280
She would get up at 2:00 in the
morning and work from like 2:00

685
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:37,320
to 7:00 at A at a bakery for a a
large grocery store chain.

686
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:43,920
She would get done with that and
from she'd go home, sleep for a

687
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,480
little while.
Then at about noon she'd go in

688
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,920
work for four hours for a local
insurance agent, being a

689
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,040
secretary, answering phones,
filing things, that sort of

690
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,920
stuff.
From then she'd come home again.

691
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,640
She'd change and then from like
5:00 to 7:00 at night, she would

692
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:09,080
go back in to the to the local
nursing home and cook meals or

693
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,120
do janitorial stuff, whatever it
took.

694
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,280
So I got home one day and she
was crying at the kitchen table

695
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,880
and I was like, you OK, What's
going on?

696
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,760
She's like, I'm fine.
I think I'm just tired.

697
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:22,760
I think I'm just going to go to
bed.

698
00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:26,080
And I know she had a stack of
mail in front of her.

699
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,880
So being the nosy little puke
that I was, I thought, you know,

700
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,560
I'm just going to go, go scope
this out.

701
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,960
And what I saw was a rejection
letter from the state.

702
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,200
She had applied for some food
assistance, but she grossed $30

703
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:46,760
too much.
And you want you want to talk

704
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,960
about making a young man start
listening to Rush Limbaugh in a

705
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,840
hurry.
It did for me, right?

706
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,120
Like, I remember in that moment
going, I will never ask the

707
00:41:55,120 --> 00:42:00,520
government for anything.
Not a damn thing, right?

708
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,040
I will.
I will go my own way.

709
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,520
And I became very determined
from that point on.

710
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,360
OK, so that story, you got that
story in the book books.

711
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,720
So it's the night before I'm
supposed to start traveling to

712
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:17,720
go to the place where I will,
will receive my, my endowment.

713
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:27,080
And that night I just kind of
think about, you know, how I got

714
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:31,000
here, this sort of thing, right?
And I start, start thinking

715
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,680
about it and I'm like, gosh, I
hope, I hope everything goes

716
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,560
well.
So that night I say my prayers.

717
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,640
You know, I, I just asked that
the road would be cleared before

718
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,320
us, that we wouldn't encounter
any problems in our traveling,

719
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,560
that everybody'd be safe, that
we could have a good experience,

720
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,440
you know, typical.
And I lay down that night and

721
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,280
it's a, it was unusual for me
because normally it takes me a

722
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,280
good two hours of staring at the
ceiling before my brain finally

723
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,920
just shuts down.
My body's done, but my brain is

724
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:05,960
still going constantly.
And so I finally drift off to I,

725
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,400
I, I actually go to sleep really
quickly, which like I said, was

726
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,520
unusual.
And I immediately have a drink.

727
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:19,000
I mean, immediately.
And I'm standing in a city in

728
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,960
the downtown part of a city.
And I somehow instinctively

729
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,840
know, and I don't think this,
you know, I'm not going to

730
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,840
mention the city because I don't
know if it has any pertinence to

731
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,440
the story.
And I don't want to irritate

732
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,560
anyone living in those cities.
But it's a city back east.

733
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:44,000
And there's someone who's
walking beside me, not quite a

734
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,400
guide because I kind of feel
like I know where I'm going, but

735
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,680
I don't know where I'm going,
but just someone beside me.

736
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,920
And we get to this one building.
And you know what?

737
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,800
Do you know what the the
architectural style of Brutalism

738
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,280
is?
A little bit, I believe, yeah.

739
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,920
Brutalism was used a lot in in
Soviet Russia.

740
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,240
Oh, OK, I know what you're
talking about.

741
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:13,360
Very blocky, very disjointed.
It's brutal right by by every

742
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,720
stretch.
This building was done in

743
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:18,040
brutalism with black windows,
right?

744
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,280
The windows were not just
tinted, they were blacked out.

745
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,360
And I stand in front of this
building and this building just

746
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,560
doesn't make me feel real good,
right?

747
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:34,520
It's tall building too.
And I just looked at the guy

748
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,360
beside me.
I'm like, am I supposed to go in

749
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,440
here?
And he just said, Yep, just said

750
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,240
yes.
I was like, are you coming with

751
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:41,320
me?
And he said, I can't.

752
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,760
So I went ahead and I went in
and the first thing I noticed is

753
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,440
kind of the receptionist there,
right?

754
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,680
Very attractive woman, but she
was also very scantily dressed,

755
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,760
right?
And didn't like the way that

756
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,720
felt either, but she was very
welcoming.

757
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:07,320
She's like, oh, David, it's so
good to see.

758
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,880
I'm so glad you're here.
He's been expecting you.

759
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,960
All you need to do is go in and
there's only only three buttons.

760
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,720
Just push the top button and
that'll take you up to where

761
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:23,040
he's at.
And I was like, OK, so I just

762
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,400
get in.
And now this elevator is, is

763
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:31,760
very flush, right?
It's it's very even the elevator

764
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,200
screams of opulence and and
wealth.

765
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:43,520
And like, the floors of this
elevator were marble, right?

766
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:47,880
Like it was that kind of of
fancy.

767
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,360
So I poke the button takes me up
and I can tell I'm going almost

768
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,720
all the way to the top and it
gets there and the elevator

769
00:45:57,720 --> 00:46:00,640
doors open and it opens up into
an apartment, right?

770
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,440
Like there's no door.
The, the elevator doors just

771
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:09,640
open up and I take a step out
and the, the walls have a bunch

772
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:15,480
of red plush drapes on it.
The wood is a very dark wood

773
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,920
that panels some of the, some of
the walls and it, it's got

774
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:24,400
swirly designs in it and the, IT
actually like swirls as you look

775
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,880
at it, right?
It moves and I'm just thinking

776
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,880
this is odd, right?
And it's got an effect of kind

777
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,520
of just making me a little
disoriented almost, right?

778
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,280
And I hear a man's voice from
from down the hall because it

779
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,720
opens up and it kind of opens up
into this formal room.

780
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:42,720
And but it's got this hallway
right in front of you.

781
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,600
And I can hear somebody from
down the hallway saying, Hey,

782
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,720
just come on back.
I'm I'm glad you're here.

783
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,840
And I, I walk on back.
As I'm walking on back this

784
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:58,440
hallway, I can see these two big
doors that are open and I can

785
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:03,440
tell I can see that that the far
side, as I'm looking of this

786
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,520
major area down the hallway
opens up into a room and it

787
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,880
overlooks the city.
So I walked down there and

788
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:17,200
there's a man who's just looking
out the window and he's very

789
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,480
well dressed.
His voice is pleasant but

790
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:25,760
unsettling too.
And he turns around and he's

791
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,120
wearing a three piece suit
tailored, right.

792
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,480
You could tell this really tail
tailored got a little bit of a

793
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:37,920
Sheen to it.
The vest is a a red and black

794
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:42,120
vest again with the same swirly
patterns that I saw in the wood.

795
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,400
And he just cut.
He said, just just have a seat

796
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,920
at this table.
And this table was made out of

797
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,560
wood.
And I said, wow, what kind of

798
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,040
wood is this?
He's like, oh, you wouldn't

799
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,440
recognize that wood today.
He's like, that's, that's a very

800
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,640
special kind of material that I
had this table built out of.

801
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,360
He's like, but just go ahead and
have a seat.

802
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,560
And I sat down and put my hands
on the table and it was frigid

803
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,720
to the touch, right?
I remember it was frigid.

804
00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:17,040
And then he comes over and he
sits beside me.

805
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,720
So I'm sitting at the head of
the table and he sits just kind

806
00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:23,280
of on the corner next to me.
And he leans back in his chair

807
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,240
and he just says, it's a big day
for you tomorrow.

808
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:28,520
It's like, yes, yes, Sir, it is.
I'm, I'm really looking forward

809
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,120
to it.
He's like, before you settle on

810
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,880
something I want to show you, I
want to show you some stuff.

811
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,880
I want to make you a counter
offer is how we put it.

812
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:44,560
And he's got a remote on the
table and he hits the remote and

813
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:50,320
down comes this really large TV
and he pushes a button again.

814
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:55,680
And it comes on and he hits
another button and it starts to

815
00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:00,920
play.
And what it plays is that that

816
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,800
incident I just told you about
with my mom at the table.

817
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,200
Only as he plays it, I can feel
all the feelings I had as a

818
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:12,400
young man.
And he plays it, and he puts

819
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:17,720
down his remote and he just
goes, wow, that must have been

820
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:20,480
rough for you.
I was like, well, it wasn't

821
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,960
pleasant.
And he goes, here's my offer.

822
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,640
Forgo your endowment, work with
me.

823
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,960
And together, we might be able
to make sure that this never

824
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:39,080
happens to another family.
Oh wow.

825
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:45,680
And as he makes the offer,
things get really, really dark.

826
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:54,800
I mean a dark feeling.
And I was like, at what cost?

827
00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:01,600
And he goes, the cost.
Cost isn't in inconsequential to

828
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,920
the good that you're going to be
able to do if you work with me.

829
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,680
And I said, you know, I think
I'm going to go with God on

830
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:15,960
this.
And he goes, your God our

831
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:25,240
Father, and he leans back and I
will say the thing that was the

832
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:29,120
least in the the least
incendiary, incendiary remark

833
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,840
that he made, He said your God
is the sadist.

834
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,520
Any God that would put a child
down here to have to endure that

835
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,400
or things far worse than that,
it's not a God I wish to follow.

836
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,240
And that's not a God you should
wish to follow.

837
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,480
Let's make things better, Dave.
You and me, we can work

838
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,160
together.
And again, I said no.

839
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,600
And I can tell he gets a little,
his feathers ruffled a little

840
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,000
bit.
And he said, what else do you

841
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,320
want?
What else do you want?

842
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,080
He's like, you want more family.
I can arrange for you to have

843
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,920
more women, more children.
I can do that.

844
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,400
That's not the only Ave. where
you can get that.

845
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:19,720
Work with me.
I'll give you, we'll, we'll do

846
00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:24,320
all this together.
And the whole time I'm like, no,

847
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,640
no, I'm not going to do this.
And he keeps pressing and he

848
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:34,280
keeps pressing and he keeps
recalling things about after my

849
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,680
father had passed and how bad
things got.

850
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,760
Yeah.
And finally, like I'm in tears

851
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:46,840
and I just say I will not.
And in that moment, he got up in

852
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,120
that big table.
He just threw like just threw it

853
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,720
up, turned it over.
And he just grabs the the arms

854
00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:56,280
of my chair and he slides me
over and he's screaming in my

855
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:57,920
face.
Why won't you work with me?

856
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,640
Why won't you work with me?
In that moment, I all of a

857
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,080
sudden was back on the ground
level right beside my guide.

858
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,600
And all he said was, it's
enough.

859
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,280
I woke up the next morning, I
went and took out my endowment.

860
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,760
So the reason I tell you this
story is not because I think I'm

861
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,800
important or anything like that.
That's not what I'm saying.

862
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:22,120
What I do think was happening is
it was first a warning saying,

863
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,960
look, if you're going to engage
in these higher things, you can

864
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,200
bet the adversary is not going
to be happy about it.

865
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,800
Oh, yeah.
But it also showed me something

866
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,840
else here.
And this ties back into the

867
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:41,920
fiery darts, who often I think
we don't.

868
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,240
We're not on our toes as much as
we should be.

869
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:51,040
And let me explain.
If someone is seeking after the

870
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,960
fullness, chances are they've
got a lot of other stuff wrapped

871
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,360
up right?
They're probably not struggling

872
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,360
with ripping off their neighbor.
Does it happen in

873
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,160
fundamentalism?
Absolutely.

874
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:07,320
You're probably not close to
cheating on your spouse.

875
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,320
Does it happen in
fundamentalism?

876
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:17,760
Sure it does, but not often.
So this idea that he's going to

877
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,560
tempt us with something obvious,
that that's what one of those

878
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,440
fiery darts is going to be, I
don't think holds water with who

879
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,840
he is.
We're told in Scripture he is

880
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:32,880
cunning, right?
He is intelligent, right?

881
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:40,560
He's called Son of the Morning.
He will twist your most

882
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:45,640
righteous desires to get what he
wants.

883
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,560
He he isn't.
He is the father of lies.

884
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,840
But he's a corruptor.
Yeah.

885
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:57,880
And so as we, as we go
throughout our walk as disciples

886
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,080
of Christ and look, I don't care
if it's in fundamentalism, the

887
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:06,080
LDS church, whatever, if you're
trying to go about a higher way

888
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:10,600
of living, you can expect that
you'll be challenged and you're

889
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,440
not going to be challenged with
simple things.

890
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:20,960
And we have to understand that
those fiery darts are personal

891
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:26,840
in nature.
They are not simply, well,

892
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,440
here's some greed I can tempt
him with, here's some infidelity

893
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,920
I can tempt him with, Here is
some whatever I can tempt him

894
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,400
with.
It's not that simple.

895
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,800
If it was, everybody would do
it.

896
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:44,800
He's going to tempt you with
your most righteous desires

897
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:50,360
twisted in some way.
And so this shield of faith

898
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:55,480
starts to look very important
when we have a real good idea of

899
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,000
just how personal those darts
are going to be.

900
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,920
Oh, yeah, man, that was, that
was, that was an intense story.

901
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:08,680
You know, as it progressed, you
can actually see like the flames

902
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,720
growing bigger and bigger.
And he just kept showing you

903
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:14,800
more things to just keep, you
know, man, you know, I noticed

904
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:19,920
too, like when Amy and I, when,
when we went out to Missouri to

905
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:24,520
receive our endowment afterward,
you know, we really, I mean, we

906
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:28,320
got hit just horribly in so many
ways.

907
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,480
And I'm just, I don't mind
putting this out there.

908
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:34,280
Like one of my biggest desires
is to make sure my family is

909
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,880
like taken care of.
I noticed he started hitting

910
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:42,480
those finances and it got to the
point it got so bad to the point

911
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,640
where I was just about to say, I
am done.

912
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,200
I am just, this is all just bull
crap.

913
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:49,920
I don't want any part of this
anymore.

914
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:56,520
And it was weird the day that I
said that, the very next morning

915
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,800
was when everything happened
with the Michigan church.

916
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,560
I believe it was in Michigan
where the the shooter went in,

917
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:07,280
you know, and killed everybody.
I was like, you know, the very

918
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,760
same force like that evil like
that was really just, you know,

919
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,920
did that up in Michigan.
It's the same thing that's

920
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,160
attacking me.
It was just like a reset

921
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,760
happened, you know, And even
also, too, when we were on the

922
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,200
way to Missouri, it was just
like a hit, a hit, a hit.

923
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:26,200
You know, he was trying to take
our mind off of what we were

924
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,000
getting ready to receive.
Yeah.

925
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,960
He's trying to get us to turn
that vehicle around at every

926
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,400
mile marker, Right.
So.

927
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,000
Right.
And so this is where the shield,

928
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,440
I think, becomes super
important.

929
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:47,080
Yeah, right.
Knowing how personal those fiery

930
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:48,640
darts are going to be.
Oh yeah.

931
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:56,240
It it becomes incumbent on us,
right, that you don't take one

932
00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:57,920
to the heart.
Oh yeah.

933
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:04,880
And so unlike some of the other
pieces of armor here that have

934
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:09,600
been talked about, this one
seems very, very vital.

935
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:15,840
Because if, if, if, if you're
not on your defense, if you're

936
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:20,600
not hiding behind that shield of
faith, you'll take one of those

937
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,520
to the heart.
And because they're righteous

938
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,480
desires, look, I don't know
about you.

939
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,720
I would classify it as a
righteous desire to not have

940
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:34,520
anybody go hungry, to have their
power shut off to, to have, you

941
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,480
know, gosh, I remember my mom's
car being repossessed.

942
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,720
Like, just go down the list,
right?

943
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:46,360
It's a righteous desire to want
to spare somebody that pain, but

944
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,440
not at any cost.
Yeah.

945
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:53,680
And so if he's going to twist
the righteous desire, well, now

946
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:59,120
you need a shield that's up to
the task of taking that right.

947
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,320
And so as I look at the shield,
I'm like, OK, so how does this

948
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,520
shield function?
And, and I'll finish this up and

949
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,440
I'll throw it back to you for
some of your comments here.

950
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,120
And I, I apologize, I feel like
I've monopolized this.

951
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:16,040
No, I'm enjoying this.
Few years back I started to get

952
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,280
the feeling that we as
fundamentalists and orthodox

953
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:22,040
Mormons, we need our own stuff.
Up to now we've been able to buy

954
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,520
and purchase all of our
scriptures, books, art and music

955
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,680
from other restoration
organizations and that's been

956
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,520
good.
But there's no guarantee it's

957
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,920
going to remain that way.
Also, it can be a bit tricky as

958
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,360
you scour the Internet trying to
find all the books from your

959
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,520
favorite fundamentalist or
orthodox Mormon authors.

960
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,400
As I thought about this, I feel
like I was really given a

961
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,320
solution now through the hard
work of others, because let's

962
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,560
face it, I'm the guy least
qualified in all the world to

963
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,840
build a website.
I'm happy to present to you 1830

964
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,360
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Right now on the website you can

965
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,200
see that we have all the books
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966
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,200
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967
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Also very soon there will be a
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968
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,600
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love for the restored gospel.

969
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,480
There's also places for you to
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970
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,120
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971
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,920
Also, coming very soon, there
will be a place for events where

972
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,640
you can list the events from
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973
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,520
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974
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975
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,520
It's all up to you guys out
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976
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,280
post things on here.
Now, if you're someone who

977
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,440
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978
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979
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980
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,680
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981
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:54,000
1830 in in the title of that
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982
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,160
either myself or someone else
from the 1830 Mercantile team

983
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,120
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984
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:04,480
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Now to make sure that all the

985
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,120
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986
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,440
the vast majority of the profits
go to the producer.

987
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:16,560
The website percentage is only
three to 4% of the total cost,

988
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,360
and that's just so I can pay the
pros that have created this

989
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,920
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990
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,760
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991
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992
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,440
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993
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,800
At the same time, not giving
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994
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,120
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995
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,480
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996
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997
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:49,400
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998
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:50,760
sure that we get back out to
you.

999
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:56,280
Now back to the show.
As I thought about this and I

1000
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:01,960
thought about my own experience,
I do have faith that those days

1001
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:08,080
will come when no one wants for
anything any longer, right?

1002
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:13,600
But I got delayed the
gratification and I got to have

1003
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,200
faith that he's going to follow
through on what he does.

1004
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:22,480
And to me personally, given that
experience and then with the

1005
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,200
shield of faith is supposed to
do.

1006
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:27,640
I think that's how it works.
Now.

1007
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,320
I'll throw it back to you for
for any of your your thoughts or

1008
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,080
impressions there.
If you, if you think about like

1009
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:37,920
the that, that desire to, you
know, make sure everybody's fed,

1010
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:39,840
make sure everybody has like
bread.

1011
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,400
Look at history, at what that
became.

1012
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,840
You know, it's, it can happen so
easily.

1013
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:51,080
You know, when, when you were
telling your, your story, there

1014
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:55,880
was, there was actually this
quote by Ogden Crowell.

1015
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,960
It it brought up, it brought it,
it was like perfect.

1016
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,960
It says that thousands upon
thousands of Christians have

1017
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,200
been terrified by the fury of
their persecutors and purchased

1018
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,280
their freedom at the sacrifice
of their faith.

1019
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,880
But there's always been a few,
both poor and rich, the humble

1020
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:16,480
and the noble, who have
fearlessly bore their testimony

1021
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,320
to the truth from dungeon cells
and in painful tortures.

1022
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,440
But they were rejoicing that
they were counted worthy to know

1023
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:23,920
the fellowship of his
sufferings.

1024
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,120
God has reserved the celestial
Kingdom only for these valiant

1025
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:31,280
emissary emissaries of Christ.
Now, right here, the devil is

1026
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:35,160
the most frightful and dreaded
enemy of the soldiers of Christ.

1027
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:40,480
Yet Satan and his Imps are an
essential factor in man's ascent

1028
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:44,960
to exaltation.
You know we're going to be

1029
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,280
fighting that in the I read this
quote I believe was by Abraham

1030
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,960
Galidi.
It's like, you know, every time

1031
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,200
there's going to be an ascent,
there is also going to be a

1032
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,040
descent prior.
You know, that's going to

1033
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:00,920
happen.
But also to like think about

1034
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,080
what happens if you don't have
that shield of faith.

1035
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,880
There was actually this
beautiful passage in Alma 43,

1036
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:13,480
and it gives a perfect example
of what the shield of Faith does

1037
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,160
and what happens when you don't
have it.

1038
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:17,960
It said.
Now the army of Zerahemna was

1039
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:19,840
not prepared with any such
thing.

1040
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,360
They had only their swords and
the scimiters, their bows and

1041
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:27,200
their arrows, their stones and
their slings, and they were

1042
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,720
naked, save it were a skin which
was girded about their loins.

1043
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:34,360
Yay, all were naked, save it
were the Zoramites and the

1044
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:38,920
Amalekites, but they were not
armed with breastplates nor

1045
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,320
Shields.
Therefore, they were exceedingly

1046
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:46,200
afraid of the armies of the
Nephites, you know, So when you

1047
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:50,080
don't have that shield of faith,
I mean, those arrows will

1048
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:53,600
instantly Pierce you and it'll
be just a natural reaction like

1049
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,760
you would, I don't know.
You can say constant fear, you

1050
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:00,920
know, and that, that the, the
shield of faith is in a way, I

1051
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:05,080
mean, it honestly does give you
that courage to be able to stand

1052
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,480
up, you know, and, and have
faith.

1053
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,040
Stand firm.
I was actually thinking it was

1054
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,600
kind of funny.
You know who Tom Petty is,

1055
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:14,200
right?
Please say yes.

1056
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,960
OK, Yeah.
I was like, what if the anthem

1057
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,240
of the Shield of Faith was I
Won't Back Down by Tom Petty.

1058
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:24,360
Right.
No.

1059
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:28,440
Well, I think, yeah, I think
there's a lot to that, right?

1060
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:34,400
Because look, what we're going
to be required to do very soon

1061
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:38,520
is all of us stand where we've
been planted and lift where

1062
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:42,040
we're standing, right?
It's, I think so often we want

1063
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,560
to find the grand gesture,
right?

1064
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:49,080
And like if, if he, if he asked
me to go across the ocean, I

1065
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,120
would do that.
But it's a little gestures that

1066
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:56,920
often we're asked to do that we
fail on because we don't see the

1067
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:00,160
significance or the importance
of it in that moment.

1068
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,800
Oh, yeah.
And we have to be able, we have

1069
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,360
to have enough faith to say this
is what he's asked me to do.

1070
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:14,560
Just do it and then do the next
thing he asked you to do and and

1071
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:17,480
trust that he's got a plan
there, that he's got it all

1072
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:21,000
worked out.
So let me ask you this.

1073
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:24,680
How do you build that shield of
faith?

1074
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,000
That is actually a really good
one.

1075
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,000
Let me go ahead and bring it up
here.

1076
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,840
So let's say strengthening the
shield.

1077
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:44,440
I'm pulling it up here.
All right, so I have a couple

1078
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,600
things here.
So we'll start off with like

1079
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:51,000
first Nephi 1524.
And I said unto them that it was

1080
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:55,960
the word of God, And whoso would
hearken unto the word of God and

1081
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,960
would hold fastened to it, they
would never perish, neither

1082
01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:02,920
could the temptations and the
fiery darts of the adversary

1083
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:07,560
overpower them unto blindness,
to lead them away to

1084
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:10,480
destruction.
So there's two things here.

1085
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:14,320
It says hearken.
That means open up your ears,

1086
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,320
you know, and then hold fast
means to seize for support.

1087
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:23,800
So if we, if we do have faith,
you know, to build it up, it

1088
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:26,960
motivates us to open our ears to
listen to the word of God and to

1089
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,440
cease them for support.
By doing this, we strengthen our

1090
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,600
shield.
A weaker faith is mere cardboard

1091
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:35,960
in a firestorm.
But when a brother or sister

1092
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,080
Harkins into the word of God and
seizes the iron rod, they

1093
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:44,320
thicken that shield.
So you know, you know, this

1094
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,680
faith is an act of principle.
It's not dormant.

1095
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,480
So you know, you can't say I
have faith and do nothing.

1096
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,000
You know you wouldn't exist.
We've already determined that.

1097
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:57,040
So when you have faith that you,
you are going to act upon it.

1098
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:02,360
And there was this quote I had
from Joseph F Smith.

1099
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,520
It's for the first nerds out
there.

1100
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:10,960
Journal Discourses 18133.
It says, I know that I can find

1101
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,040
it.
Salvation only in obedience to

1102
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:16,680
the laws of God and keeping the
commandments and performing

1103
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,680
works of righteousness.
Following the footsteps of our

1104
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,720
file leader, Jesus, the Exemplar
and the Head of all.

1105
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,200
He is the way of life.
He is the light of the world.

1106
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:29,200
And here it is again.
He is the door by which we must

1107
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,840
enter.
In that order we may have a

1108
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,200
place with Him and the celestial
Kingdom.

1109
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:38,400
So by following in the footsteps
of Christ in our daily lives, we

1110
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,200
do strengthen those Shields.
So no matter what Satan casts at

1111
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:46,280
us, we can find that peaceful
pasture amid battles, and we

1112
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:48,520
must walk this straight and
narrow path.

1113
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,400
And there was this beautiful
passage in Psalms that I have

1114
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,840
found, a Psalm 121, five through
8.

1115
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:55,560
And this is from the inspired
version.

1116
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:59,000
It says the Lord is thy keeper,
the Lord is thy shade upon thy

1117
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,880
right hand.
The sun shall not smite thee by

1118
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:05,560
day, nor moon by night.
The Lord shall preserve thee

1119
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,520
from all evil.
He shall preserve thy soul, the

1120
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:12,200
Lord shall preserve thy going
out and thy coming in from this

1121
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:17,040
time forth and even forevermore.
Yeah.

1122
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:24,200
I think with faith we got to be
willing to build it.

1123
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:26,880
Exactly.
And there's only one way you

1124
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:32,960
build faith, and that is to to
do it.

1125
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:35,840
Exactly.
I'll I'll give you a story here

1126
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:37,279
again.
Awesome.

1127
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:43,840
When when Amber and I first got
married, we were dirt poor.

1128
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:48,240
I was going to school full time.
I was working one full time job

1129
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:51,319
and then one part time job.
We had a couple of kids already,

1130
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:55,520
like I was going for it.
Ramen.

1131
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,840
Is too expensive.
What's that?

1132
01:08:58,120 --> 01:08:59,680
Ramen was even too expensive.
Yeah.

1133
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,120
Not quite, but it was, it was
pushing there.

1134
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:10,880
So I, I'd started a new job.
I was almost done with college

1135
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:17,080
and Amber was getting ready to
have a have a baby and I missed

1136
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,200
the sign up to have that baby
covered.

1137
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:25,479
Yeah, by like a week.
Ouch.

1138
01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:29,880
Well, the baby's born and he's
premature.

1139
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:40,040
Premature and we're about our
third day into the NICU stay and

1140
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:43,399
this sweet little lady comes
rolling up with a cart with a

1141
01:09:43,399 --> 01:09:46,399
computer on it and she's like,
we just need to get your

1142
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:49,000
information to bill you.
And I'm like fantastic.

1143
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:51,399
I was like, how much is my bill
up to now?

1144
01:09:51,399 --> 01:09:59,120
This is like 1997, right?
And she goes, looks like you

1145
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:00,800
right now.
You're pushing right around

1146
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,520
$102,000.
Oh my gosh.

1147
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:09,480
And I'm like, yeah, let me just
go downstairs and get you a

1148
01:10:09,480 --> 01:10:11,160
check.
I'll just scratch that right

1149
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:13,840
now.
And she said, do you have

1150
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:15,720
insurance?
And I said, well, I, I tried to

1151
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:17,480
get insurance.
I'm not sure it went through.

1152
01:10:17,480 --> 01:10:19,960
And she's like, well, you should
probably give them a call and

1153
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:23,920
find out.
So I get back to work, I go up

1154
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:28,000
into H Rs office and the lady at
HR goes, well, let's give them a

1155
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:29,800
call and see what's going to
happen, right?

1156
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:34,440
So I get put on speaker, I'm
talking to this agent, right?

1157
01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:37,040
I got to talk to like 3 people
and then finally get to the

1158
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,160
right department.
Tell him the whole story.

1159
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:43,240
You know, here's the thing.
Tell it one more time.

1160
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:46,360
And the lady on the other end of
the phone goes, look, I'm going

1161
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:48,320
to level with you.
Your chances of getting this

1162
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:53,240
covered are slim to none because
my, my manager, the guy I got to

1163
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:58,160
go talk to is his whole job is
not paying on things we don't

1164
01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:59,360
have to pay on.
That's it.

1165
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:03,560
That's what he does, is his
whole job is to say no

1166
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,880
professionally.
And I was like, oh boy.

1167
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:16,440
And so a week before that I had
a real hard choice to make, hey,

1168
01:11:16,440 --> 01:11:23,320
am I tithing?
Or for Christmas buy something

1169
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:28,360
really nice for the family.
And it wasn't like ATV or

1170
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,480
anything else.
It's something we really needed,

1171
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,320
but I opted with pain, pain, my
tithing.

1172
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:40,920
And so back to the story here,
she said.

1173
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:42,400
I'm going to put you on a brief
hold.

1174
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:45,480
This will take about 20 minutes.
Just stay on the line.

1175
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:49,760
I'm going to go talk to talk to
the no man, and then I'll be

1176
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,560
back to you.
Yeah.

1177
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:56,040
And she, she puts me on hold and
I look at the HR lady and she

1178
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:59,880
kind of hangs her head because I
think she knows what's coming,

1179
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:03,920
which is a big fat no.
Longest 20 minutes I think I'd

1180
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:08,480
ever spent on the phone.
She gets the lady, gets back on

1181
01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:12,680
the phone and she says I don't
know what happened to him, but

1182
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:15,400
he's in an exceptionally good
mood and he said he'd go ahead

1183
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:18,080
and cover it.
Oh man.

1184
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,440
She said.
I've seen him do this one other

1185
01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:26,280
time in 15 years because we have
every legal right to tell you

1186
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:29,160
no, but we're good.
For whatever reason, he feels

1187
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:30,880
like he, we're going to do it
this time.

1188
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:34,760
So we're going to go ahead and
allow you to back, you know that

1189
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,000
we're, we're going to say that
you've been covered this whole

1190
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,880
time.
And so, so was your kid.

1191
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:47,280
And dude, I remember I got up, I
walked out of there and my bill

1192
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:52,880
went from like $102,000 down to
about two grand, right?

1193
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:59,800
And I'm like, but to this day I
have a testimony that had I not

1194
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:05,800
paid my tithing, is that guy's
heart softened at all right?

1195
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:09,200
I don't, I maybe, maybe it still
would have been, I don't know.

1196
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:12,240
But to me it was a testimony
builder of paying tithing.

1197
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:17,240
Now that's how faith gets built
is by taking a step into the

1198
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:21,600
dark.
If we look at what, what, how

1199
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,960
Adam and Adam's God interacts
when it comes time to offer

1200
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:28,840
sacrifices, right?
The Angel comes to Adam and

1201
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:30,440
says, why are you offering
sacrifices?

1202
01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:33,800
He's like, I don't know, you
told me to, right?

1203
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,960
There was, there was no, it was
just faith.

1204
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:38,800
You told me to do this, so I'm
going to do this.

1205
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:44,720
That's how I think faith gets
built, but it's uncomfortable

1206
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:50,040
because oftentimes you have to
take one step into the dark

1207
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:53,160
before things get illuminated
and doesn't get illuminated all

1208
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:55,360
the way.
It just gets illuminated just

1209
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:57,920
enough so you can see where
you're standing to take the next

1210
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:01,800
step into the dark.
But nonetheless, that's how that

1211
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:05,480
faith gets built.
So let me ask you this question,

1212
01:14:05,480 --> 01:14:07,960
Joey.
What prevents people from taking

1213
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,560
that step?
Why don't people take that step

1214
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:16,080
to build faith?
I feel like I'll just share

1215
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:22,680
something for me, like when I
guess it's just like the unknown

1216
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:25,080
for me.
Like personally, I really love

1217
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,840
taking those reins and I love
guiding the ship.

1218
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,520
And when I feel that loss of
control, it does scare me.

1219
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:35,280
I mean, let me just give you an
example.

1220
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:38,960
But before I give this, let me
ask Amy just real quick if I can

1221
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:40,440
share the story.
OK?

1222
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:46,880
Let me ask her if I can ship.
Hey Amy, can I share the story

1223
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:58,000
about OK, Dave?
So I got the yes.

1224
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:01,880
So this is another financial
story.

1225
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:06,800
So here's a personal story from
us.

1226
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:13,760
Like, so we had some issues with
finances, some things defaulted.

1227
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,440
It was for student loans, right?
It was a private company.

1228
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,680
And instantly I go into
overprotective mode.

1229
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:22,640
I was like, we got to do this,
we got to do this, we got to do

1230
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:26,920
this, we got to do this.
And every time it seemed like I

1231
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:30,040
try to take those reins, nothing
worked out.

1232
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:34,480
And then my wife is like, we
really just got to pray about

1233
01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:36,280
this and see what the Lord wants
us to do.

1234
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:39,680
And so we ended up praying about
it.

1235
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:42,800
And a week later, we had this
sign of hope.

1236
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:46,560
Like it was for like, this
student loan forgiveness

1237
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,400
program, not forgiveness.
It was like a refinancing where

1238
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,400
it was for student loan.
It was specifically for

1239
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:56,520
defaulted student loans.
So she was like, perfect, let's

1240
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,520
go ahead and apply for this.
She applied for it and she got

1241
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,160
approved.
So we were rejoicing, like,

1242
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,080
yeah, yeah, like, you know, we
can do this.

1243
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:08,880
And paperwork goes through, but
then the court case comes up and

1244
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:12,800
judgment was issued against us.
And we were like, that hope just

1245
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:14,800
sucked.
Like, have you ever felt that

1246
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:18,440
feeling where you do have hope?
And then that hope is just like,

1247
01:16:18,440 --> 01:16:21,640
sucked away, like, just dry.
It's oh.

1248
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:23,680
Absolutely.
I'm a fan of the Green Bay

1249
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:25,680
Packers.
I I'm very familiar with that

1250
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:29,120
feeling.
Man, it was, it was the most

1251
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:31,520
horrible feeling.
And we were like, Lord, you

1252
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:36,320
know, we were, we were
exercising faith like, you know,

1253
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:40,600
and this company had told us
that judgement is issued in no

1254
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:42,600
way, shape or form will it be
approved.

1255
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:47,880
So we just felt hopeless.
We were like in a daze and we

1256
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,400
were like, Lord, what's what was
this about?

1257
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:56,360
And all of a sudden Amy gets a
phone call a couple days later.

1258
01:16:57,240 --> 01:16:59,800
It's from that company.
And they're like, just want to

1259
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:04,960
let you know that we spoke with
the, you know, those attorneys

1260
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:10,280
and they're going to work with
us and that student loan is

1261
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:15,480
going to be completely paid off.
And you know, when it for me,

1262
01:17:15,480 --> 01:17:20,000
like everything that I wanted to
do to help the situation, to

1263
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:24,280
take the reins and not rely on
faith, it all seemed to fall

1264
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:27,320
apart.
So for me, I guess that answer

1265
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:28,920
would be just that loss of
control.

1266
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:33,240
People love to be in control of
their destinies, you know.

1267
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:38,880
A hundred 100%, yeah, 100%.
And and you're, you're right,

1268
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:42,160
that loss of control, especially
for dudes, right.

1269
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:46,240
Dudes are way worse at it than
the sisters are, right?

1270
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,760
I mean, the sisters, I think the
sisters have a natural

1271
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:53,560
inclination towards that.
Dudes are like, whatever, give

1272
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:56,000
me a hammer, a bigger hammer and
I'll make it work.

1273
01:17:56,960 --> 01:18:00,120
And that doesn't necessarily
always pan out in our favor.

1274
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,120
We have to stop to recognize
that.

1275
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:04,640
Oh yeah.
I think the other thing is, is

1276
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:10,320
just just fear, right?
It's it's tough to step into a

1277
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:12,880
situation that you don't know
what it looks like.

1278
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,440
Oh, yeah, I remember when we
were adopting our twins.

1279
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:21,600
So stupid.
So we had to like not adopting

1280
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:22,680
them.
That was one of the better

1281
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:24,400
decisions I ever made.
But.

1282
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:27,920
Like.
Yeah, just a clarification

1283
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:30,800
that'll cut down on the amount
of counseling some of my kids

1284
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:39,160
will need later.
And when we were adopting the

1285
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:41,960
twins now, we already had four
kids of our own, right.

1286
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:43,560
None of them have been in
trouble.

1287
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,880
They do well in school.
You know, they're, they always

1288
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:49,320
look presentable.
They don't look, look like

1289
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:51,600
they're, you know, starving,
anything like that.

1290
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,360
We've already had a home
inspection, a whole ball of wax.

1291
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:56,920
But they're like, yeah, we're
going to need you guys to take

1292
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,920
these this six week course on
how to be a foster parent.

1293
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:06,600
And I'm like, right, 'cause
look, I've already explained to

1294
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:08,440
you my feeling on government,
right?

1295
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:10,920
And now I have to deal with
government.

1296
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:14,800
And I stand by this.
It's as true a principle as

1297
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,920
anything you'll ever find.
Nothing will screw up a good

1298
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:21,240
thing faster than government.
Just just the truth of it.

1299
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:25,920
And so I'm like, fine, I'll play
the game.

1300
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:33,000
So because we got kids at home,
six of them now Amber and I

1301
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,600
can't take them at the same
time, right?

1302
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:40,360
We're going to have to take them
at separate, separate times.

1303
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:45,960
And so I'm in a completely
separate class in Amber.

1304
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:50,040
And that teacher, she knows I am
not happy to be there.

1305
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:54,840
I make no pretension that I'm
happy to be here at all.

1306
01:19:55,560 --> 01:20:00,040
And she can tell because she
keeps saying things like, well,

1307
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:02,040
Dave, is there something you
want to add?

1308
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:04,320
And I'm like, well, why don't
you tell us, right?

1309
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,680
You're, you're you're here
telling me how to be a parent.

1310
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:08,920
How many kids do you got?
And she's like, none.

1311
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:11,320
I'm like, oh, I'm really excited
to hear what you think.

1312
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:17,200
Right.
So like, I, I am, I am just fine

1313
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:19,280
with being very cantankerous,
right?

1314
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:23,320
Like, I will be here, but don't
you dare talk to me while I'm

1315
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:24,760
here.
OK.

1316
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,160
So it was being team taught by
two people.

1317
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:28,720
One was a guy and one was a
lady.

1318
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:33,600
The guy in in one of these
classes, and this was early on,

1319
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:38,200
this was probably like, this was
probably like Week 2, right?

1320
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:41,800
And the guy ends up getting sick
and leaving.

1321
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:48,000
At the end of the class, this
woman's phone goes off and she

1322
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,440
she says I have to take this,
let me step out.

1323
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,800
She steps out.
She's gone for about 30 seconds.

1324
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,480
She comes back and she goes
classes dismissed.

1325
01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:01,240
We have to go do an extraction,
meaning get kids out of a bad

1326
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:05,280
situation.
And she looked at me and she

1327
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:07,360
said, I want to talk to you
though, before you leave.

1328
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:12,080
And I thought, oh, crap, right.
I'm going to get the lecture

1329
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:13,640
like down to the principal's
office.

1330
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:15,160
The thing kind of a thing,
right?

1331
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:19,280
And she she just says, are you
are you enjoying this?

1332
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:21,680
And I'm like, not one single
bit.

1333
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:25,400
Not at all.
I would rather have a root canal

1334
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:29,760
with a dull, rusty spoon than be
here one second longer.

1335
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:32,480
And she goes, I got a
proposition for you.

1336
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:35,280
Now you've met me.
I'm a fairly big guy, right?

1337
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:38,600
Yeah.
Or she she looked at me and

1338
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:40,800
she's like, I gotta go do an
extraction.

1339
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:46,600
The police are going to meet us
there, but I don't have another

1340
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:50,080
male to ride with me.
And I need another male to ride

1341
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:54,320
with me because some of the kids
were going to be getting, you

1342
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,320
know, have been sexually abused.
So we always make sure that

1343
01:21:57,320 --> 01:22:01,200
there's two people in the car so
we can make sure that, you know,

1344
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:04,440
if there's any accusations that
there's more than one witness,

1345
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:10,280
if you go with me, I'll, I'll
write this off.

1346
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:12,000
You're done.
You never have to come back.

1347
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,480
And I'm like, done, done.
I'll go with you right now.

1348
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:19,280
Let's go, right?
So I get in the car and I'm

1349
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:25,080
like, woo Hoo, I'm out of this.
We get there and she tells me to

1350
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:30,160
wait outside, but as I'm want to
do, I'm like, I'll wait for her

1351
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:32,680
to walk in and then I'm going to
walk in behind, right?

1352
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:36,880
Like, no, she gave me this
little like temporary badge

1353
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:38,760
thing.
So I'm like, I should be good

1354
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:40,360
enough to get me through the
front door, right?

1355
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:43,520
And so the doors wide open, cops
are already there.

1356
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:48,680
I go in and bro, I see some of
the worst living conditions I

1357
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:53,600
have ever seen in my life.
I mean, the smell alone was

1358
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:57,400
enough to make me want to step
back out and puke.

1359
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:01,960
It was so bad.
There was feces on the wall.

1360
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:04,520
There were dirty diapers
everywhere.

1361
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:09,720
Food was molding on the counter.
Garbage was piled up.

1362
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:15,440
It was horrific, horrific.
The kids look like they didn't

1363
01:23:15,440 --> 01:23:18,520
have hadn't wore clothes in
probably a month and probably

1364
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:20,200
hadn't bathed in that long
either.

1365
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:25,240
The fridge was completely bare,
so was the pantry dishes piled

1366
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:27,720
up.
Like I cannot go in to the

1367
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:33,040
amount of just disgusting things
that I saw in that home.

1368
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:36,080
Yeah.
And here's the thing that got

1369
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:39,560
me.
Those kids still fought to

1370
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:44,960
leave, fought to stay despite
everything that was in there,

1371
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:50,240
despite us being as gentle and
loving as we could be.

1372
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:55,160
They wanted to stay in that
situation, and it caused me to

1373
01:23:55,160 --> 01:24:00,640
reflect on us as human beings.
So often we don't want to take

1374
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:03,720
that step simply because it's
unfamiliar.

1375
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:10,000
If there's one phrase that I do
not like, it's that, well, I'd

1376
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,000
rather deal with the devil I
know.

1377
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:16,800
Well, I wouldn't, quite frankly.
Right.

1378
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:21,360
Maybe it does become a worse
situation, but if you don't take

1379
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:23,640
the shot, you never know.
That's right.

1380
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:29,560
And so I, I look at that and I
think it's that same sentiment

1381
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:33,760
that keeps people in bad
situations from moving forward

1382
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:40,800
because the fear of the unknown
is, is that is so much bigger

1383
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:44,400
for some people than even the,
the, the horrible position

1384
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:47,360
they're in.
And so I think fear dictates

1385
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:51,480
that a lot, right?
That, that I will not take that

1386
01:24:51,480 --> 01:24:53,320
step.
I'll just stay right here.

1387
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:59,640
One movie that I, I, I always
look back at and think the

1388
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,440
character in the movie must have
felt the same thing as Castaway,

1389
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:04,520
right?
You remember it's when Tom

1390
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:07,320
Cruise, fine, I'm not Tom
Cruise, but Tom Hanks finally

1391
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:13,640
breaks that last breaker and
there he's got like maybe 5

1392
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:17,600
minutes to go back, right?
I could, I could just stay on

1393
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:20,120
that island.
I, I've lived five years on that

1394
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,000
island.
I can, I can make it there.

1395
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:27,320
Or there's this vast blue
nothingness out in front of me

1396
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:32,200
that I could do.
And so this idea of being scared

1397
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:37,480
of the unknown I think is a a
huge factor in why people don't

1398
01:25:37,480 --> 01:25:40,800
take the steps necessary.
That one step into the dark.

1399
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:45,640
Then the Lord will show you he's
got you, and you can add that to

1400
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:48,840
your shield of faith.
But you got to be able to

1401
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:54,200
conquer that fear.
And the only way you conquer it

1402
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,000
is by doing the thing that's
making you the most scared.

1403
01:25:57,760 --> 01:25:59,360
And that's just all there is to
it.

1404
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:04,160
And so this idea, so often we
look at discipleship and I

1405
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:09,400
think, I think there's two types
of discipleship really that you

1406
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:12,960
can look at.
One is kind of, and, and I'll be

1407
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:15,800
honest, this is my opinion.
I don't think the Lord is super

1408
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,400
happy with this kind of
discipleship.

1409
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:22,040
It's better than nothing, but
it's the passive discipleship.

1410
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:24,400
Right.
I'm just going to, I'm just

1411
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:26,680
going to stay right here.
I'm not going to do anything.

1412
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:28,160
I'm just going to try to better
myself.

1413
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:29,600
I'm going to read my scriptures
a little more.

1414
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:31,240
I'm going to pray a little more.
And those are good things.

1415
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:34,600
You should always do those.
But that's not what we're called

1416
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:36,280
to do.
We're called to be that light on

1417
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:38,760
a hill, right?
Don't put your light under a

1418
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:41,000
bushel.
Let it shine, right?

1419
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:45,200
And so I think we're supposed to
be change agents in the society,

1420
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:47,560
right?
We need to be those people to

1421
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:50,680
which others can look and be
like, OK, maybe I don't have to

1422
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:52,960
go dark.
Maybe he's got something up

1423
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:55,000
there.
Maybe he can tell me what, what

1424
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:58,360
makes him go.
That's what we have to get to.

1425
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:01,360
But we got to conquer the fear
first, right?

1426
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:06,560
And I understand that without
taking that initial step into

1427
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:10,800
the darkness, it's going to be
really hard to build that.

1428
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:14,680
Oh, yeah.
You know, that reminds me, you

1429
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:19,920
know, taking that step, I was
working a job, a retail job a

1430
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:22,160
couple years ago.
And it was the type of job

1431
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:25,000
where, you know, you get to know
the whole entire community.

1432
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:28,520
Everybody comes to that place.
And there was one day I was

1433
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,520
actually just popping the
scriptures in my head.

1434
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:32,360
I was kind of going through
there, kind of facing the

1435
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:34,240
shelves.
You know, I was really in my own

1436
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:36,000
mind.
And all of a sudden I had this

1437
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:40,240
impression, Joey, just look up
and give this person a hug.

1438
01:27:40,440 --> 01:27:43,480
And I turn around and I'll look
and it's this normal customer.

1439
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:46,440
And I know that this person,
they were always really

1440
01:27:46,440 --> 01:27:49,760
apprehensive about, you know,
touchy, you know, no shaking

1441
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:52,040
hands, nothing.
Well, I just go straight up to

1442
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:53,640
that person.
I'm like, gosh, this is going to

1443
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:55,040
be awkward, but I got to do
this.

1444
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:57,600
Give them a hug.
And they start crying.

1445
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:02,080
And, you know, it was like,
don't say anything.

1446
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:05,200
Just just hug.
And I kind of leaned back and

1447
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:07,400
the person looks at me like,
thank you so much.

1448
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:09,840
I needed that.
I found out that I had stage 3

1449
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:11,680
cancer today and it's
inoperable.

1450
01:28:13,480 --> 01:28:18,160
You know, it was like, I'm not
the type of person I have to get

1451
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:20,840
to know you to give you a hug.
I think you and I, I think we're

1452
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:24,520
on just like bro taps right now.
But just to do that, it's just

1453
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:27,680
super uncomfortable, you know,
and you know, if I want to take

1454
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:30,760
in that step, you know, how
could that person so not

1455
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,400
boosting by saying this, but
like, what were that person's

1456
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:35,120
mental state have been like
after that?

1457
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:38,640
You know, it was that sense of
hope in like that time of, you

1458
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:43,640
know, devastating news, so.
No, we're, we're, we're called

1459
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:45,800
to do uncomfortable things,
right?

1460
01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:52,600
It, it, the same principle
applies at the gym as it does in

1461
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:56,000
your spiritual life.
If you're too comfortable, you

1462
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:58,840
ain't making gains, right?
That's just the way it is,

1463
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:01,200
right?
You got to bump the resistance

1464
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:03,800
up every so often, you get the
effect.

1465
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:07,360
Otherwise you're just kind of
running through the motions.

1466
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:09,880
And don't get me wrong, it's
better than not doing anything.

1467
01:29:10,480 --> 01:29:12,960
But if you're going to, if
you're going to be there, why

1468
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:15,040
not get the full effect anyway,
right?

1469
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:18,320
I mean, if you're going to be
there, why not just sell out and

1470
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:21,840
go all in and then and then try
to make it better.

1471
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:27,040
And I, I want to be sympathetic.
It's tough, right?

1472
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:32,160
It, it really is tough to do.
But that's the only way you, you

1473
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:36,040
progress is you got to take the
step into the dark and know that

1474
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:37,960
he's got you and he, he will
have you.

1475
01:29:38,480 --> 01:29:42,280
And look, I, I also want to say
this, there's no guarantee it's

1476
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:45,120
going to work out like you think
it should, right?

1477
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:47,560
It'll work out just like it's
supposed to.

1478
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:51,880
But maybe that step in the dark
is so that you can experience

1479
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:57,160
failure and learn from that.
And just 'cause you fail or you

1480
01:29:57,160 --> 01:30:01,160
perceive you failed doesn't
necessarily mean that it was

1481
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:04,800
wrong or bad.
It just meant it didn't work

1482
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:07,760
this time.
So you got to go back and you

1483
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:10,960
got to figure out what you did.
I can't remember what he's he's

1484
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:12,560
kind of a despicable human
being.

1485
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:16,840
But we don't know how many times
Thomas Edison truly failed at

1486
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:19,200
making the light bulb.
Oh yeah, that's right.

1487
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:25,360
But he failed a lot he did.
And so we got to be willing to

1488
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:33,960
take to take that that failure.
That's part of the process in

1489
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:36,080
building faith.
There's going to be times where

1490
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:39,880
you fail but fail forward,
right?

1491
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:42,440
I remember my football coach
used to tell me that if if

1492
01:30:42,440 --> 01:30:45,920
you're carrying the ball, you're
going to fall, you're going to

1493
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:49,840
get tackled, fall forward.
Don't fall backwards, right?

1494
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:51,600
Pick up another yard if you're
going to fall.

1495
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:56,560
How do we do that spiritually?
We get back up and we learn from

1496
01:30:56,760 --> 01:31:00,960
how it is we fell and then we
don't we try not to do it again.

1497
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:04,560
All those things I think can
really play a big role in

1498
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,840
fostering that faith that you
will need to shield you from

1499
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:09,840
those darts.
That will be very personal.

1500
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:12,800
Oh, yeah.
You know, we were there.

1501
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:16,000
I mean, I mean, you remember
this like when we were planning

1502
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:17,880
to come out to Missouri.
I mean, we were like, we're

1503
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:20,520
going, we're going.
And then just all of a sudden,

1504
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:23,320
everything just fell apart just
like at the last minute.

1505
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:26,000
And, you know, me taking the
reins.

1506
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:30,080
I mean, I don't, you know, I was
like, we can't do this.

1507
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:31,960
We can't go right now.
We got to make sure we provide

1508
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:35,000
for the kids and everything and
that was that was the most.

1509
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:37,720
Horrible.
Gun punch, gut punch that I have

1510
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:41,440
felt in a very long time.
I mean, I think I called you

1511
01:31:41,440 --> 01:31:45,560
right after I was like, I, I
Dave, I just don't know, you

1512
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:48,960
know, but I will tell people
like, you know, don't be just,

1513
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:52,880
yeah, don't be discouraged.
Like, you know, when you, you,

1514
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:54,680
you're acting with faith and it
doesn't work out.

1515
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:59,160
Just stand firm, keep going, you
know, don't, you know, cuddle in

1516
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:01,080
a corner and never do anything
again.

1517
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:05,120
You know, that's not growth,
that's just being complacent,

1518
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:10,040
right?
I'll say this and then I'll I'll

1519
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:13,400
let you you wrap this up.
Well, before we go there, is

1520
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:15,560
there anything else in your
notes you wanted to go over?

1521
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:18,480
No, no, we actually covered
everything that I had.

1522
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:20,880
OK, perfect.
Yeah.

1523
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:25,080
I want to say this, and, and
I've said this before on other

1524
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:28,880
episodes, but I, I, I think
it's, it bears repeating.

1525
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:39,760
I, I, I've been prompted for
almost 2 years to do this series

1526
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:44,560
and I didn't want to do it
because I felt like they're,

1527
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:47,560
they're too simple of, of
concepts, right?

1528
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:49,880
Like how am I going to squeeze
any juice out of those?

1529
01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:55,120
Yeah.
But it got way powerful a few

1530
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:59,480
months ago where I knew that
coming into 2026, this had to be

1531
01:32:59,480 --> 01:33:02,880
the first thing that that one of
the first things that gets

1532
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:06,760
dropped is a series.
And I think it's because we live

1533
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:10,280
now in a time where the seasons
are changing all the time,

1534
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:14,560
right?
And if, if we're going to be

1535
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:21,160
able to stand in these days and
stand for our kids, stand for

1536
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:24,880
our brethren, we're going to
have to learn how to operate on

1537
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:28,960
faith, because if we're not
operating on faith, we're going

1538
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:31,560
to be in some trouble.
I think the times are coming

1539
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:34,120
sooner than later.
I don't know when I'll never

1540
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:36,160
play Pin the Tail on the
Apocalypse.

1541
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:39,320
That's a losing game.
But the one thing we are

1542
01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:41,960
guaranteed is that it's going to
get worse before it gets better.

1543
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:48,320
And in those times, we better be
able to operate with such faith

1544
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:51,680
that if we get a prompting and,
and that prompting is don't go

1545
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:55,640
that way, go this way.
But the way the Spirit's telling

1546
01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:57,840
you to go seems completely
counterintuitive.

1547
01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:01,440
You can drop everything and go
that direction.

1548
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:07,120
I think it's vitally important.
And I can't stress enough that

1549
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:13,080
those fiery darts are personal.
And if they hit, do you can

1550
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:16,600
still come back from a hit?
I, I don't want to say that you

1551
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:19,440
can't, you absolutely can, but
it's going to be more difficult

1552
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:22,560
because it's going to hit you
right where it's designed to hit

1553
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:25,840
you about the thing it's
supposed to hit you with.

1554
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:29,760
And you're going to have to
figure out how to extract it,

1555
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:34,320
heal and move on.
Best case is to use this faith

1556
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:40,200
as a shield and don't get hit.
And that's that's kind of where

1557
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:42,640
I'll leave it and I'll let you
you wrap it up from here.

1558
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:46,840
Yeah, well, you know, taking
those hits, that can be

1559
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:49,000
definitely something.
You know, I don't know why I

1560
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:50,800
thought of this when you said
taking those hits.

1561
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:53,080
You you remember Monty Python's,
what was it?

1562
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:55,920
The quest for the Holy Grail
when the The Dark Knight got his

1563
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:57,520
arm cut off.
It's just a flush wind.

1564
01:34:58,320 --> 01:34:58,920
Get back up.
Keep.

1565
01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:02,280
Keep pushing, put a little take
a salt tablet or something, you

1566
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:06,040
know, but you know, I would just
really I I mentioned it earlier,

1567
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:10,480
you know, listen to the classic
him, this Tom Petty.

1568
01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:13,600
And when, when you're facing
hard times, you know, I won't

1569
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:16,680
back down, You know, just stand
your ground.

1570
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:18,880
You can stand me up in front of
the gates of hell, but I won't

1571
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:21,880
back down.
You know, Stay strong, Saints.

1572
01:35:22,480 --> 01:35:24,920
So yeah.
Awesome.

1573
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:27,840
Well, Joey, thanks for jumping
on with me, bro.

1574
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:30,080
Yeah, brother, it's always a
pleasure.

1575
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:33,320
And our love to you and your
family from from the Old

1576
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:35,520
Dominion.
Yep.

1577
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:38,080
Oh, you too.
So all right, hang out for 5

1578
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:39,320
minutes, all right?
You too.

1579
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:41,480
Gotcha.
All right.

1580
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:42,320
Bye everybody.