Episode #228: Navigating A Fallen World As A Daughter Of God W/Zoe & Makayla

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So we Michaela you're both here.
so, I gotta tell you, when I'll

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just tell the backstory here a
little bit.

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I was getting ready to interview
Braxton and Zoe happened to be

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in the room at the same time.
And all the sudden I hear, wait,

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wait, I need to talk to him and
then like Zoe jumped on and

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she's like, gives me this whole
idea about this podcast that she

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wants to do with you Michaela.
And I'm like, yeah, I'm I'm

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down.
Let's do this.

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So we're here.
We're ready to go?

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Zoe.
How's things been going?

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Things have been going.
Well, really.

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Okay, what are you excited
about?

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This podcast, I'm excited that
it's coming to.

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Philly towards you. so first
Tell us who you are.

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Hi, my name is Zoe Erickson.
I am Joshua Erickson's daughter.

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And general nerd, I think would
be the best way to describe me.

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Which is a compliment.
There you go.

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Yeah.
Okay.

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All right, fair enough, fair
enough.

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So, like, were you raised
fundamentalist know?

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So my family was LDS and I was
eight years old, but they had

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felt called to enter into plural
marriage.

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When I was five or six and were
everybody was actively.

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Yes, my father was the ward
clerk.

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My mother was the word pianist.
And edged into the principal

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lived, it secretly for a bit and
then things sort of came to

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light and they got ice
communicated.

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And then since then we have been
independent fundamentalist, we

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have friends everywhere but
aren't in a group ourselves.

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And life is good.
That was good.

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Michaela.
You were just on like the week

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before last so I mean I think we
still have your backstory down.

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Yeah.
So what was it?

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Like growing up fundamentalist
right like do you remember like

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the before times so to speak.
I do very much.

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I'm it was, it was definitely
very interesting and very

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lonely. at least for a bit,
because The story of how my

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parents came to be.
Polygamous has been told before

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on this podcast, so I don't need
to go into it, but Suffice it to

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say that when we entered into
it, would my parents and I guess

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also the family did not know a
single other family who was

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practicing. um and so that's
very lonely and it's very hard

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because our you know unique
struggles and in a coming from a

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culture where that isn't think
or it's very looked down on into

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no support system.
There's gonna be, you know, just

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loneliness.
I think now it's been much

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better.
We have You know found ourselves

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a circle and also kind of come
back into the good graces of.

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So our old Circle, so like when
like our extended family was

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told things were, you know, it
was a lot of heartburn.

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My father was like, The Golden
Child is going to be probably a

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bishop and he's just perfect
little LDS Family and and then

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just perfect little Les family
becomes, you know, dirty

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Plagueis, and then everybody's
world, you get shot.

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So it took a couple years to
kind of rebuild a lot of those

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relationships.
Uh, from which I'm very

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grateful.
Anyway. so now it's very funny

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because we I feel like we sit in
the middle of kind of a web of

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like knowing everybody or
knowing people who know

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everybody, hmm which is kind of
Its kind of maybe a bit of a

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Redemption Arc going to be like
completely disconnected to being

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very connected.
Is that?

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Absolutely.
You know, you you hit on

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something that's interesting
there and I'm sure Michaela can

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speak to this a little bit for
LDS people coming into

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fundamentalism.
It's a bit of a blow, right?

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And it's really like the way
your family did it.

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My family, did it.
You go in and you don't know

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anybody, right?
And so it takes a hot minute and

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then with within Mormonism and I
don't care where you're at and

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Mormonism, LDS fundamentals,
whatever.

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If you're a Mormon, you're kind
of a social creature even if you

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don't want to be.
Right?

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Because it's very much you know
activities it's more than just

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church right?
Which is something that's always

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kind of hard to explain to to
maybe some of our sectarian

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brothers and sisters is that
this isn't just a Sunday thing.

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We don't just show up on Sunday,
through throw a few bucks in the

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collection plate and then slap
high fives as we head out,

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right?
This is an all week, all day

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every day, sort of a religion.
And so when when the The Social

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Network that has been your
support is suddenly gone right?

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You discover these things and
you're like okay this isn't

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necessarily what I was taught
but you you developed testimony

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of them and then you got to go
that can be a rough transition.

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And I I know that that's one of
those things that certainly your

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family's really was was what was
really awesome was is that they

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were always willing to
communicate and talk to other

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people and that was huge and
being able to smooth those

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things over.
So yeah they've they've they've

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been doing that work for a
while.

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But anyway, so yeah.
So we I gotta put you on the

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hook here a little bit.
You have a connection to this

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Missouri Temple out here, too,
right?

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I mean, he did some work on it.
I did, would you do my family

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and I did the curtains?
And look for anybody who's not

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been inside, there are a lot of
curtains like, there's many,

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many curtains.
And, like, when, when I came out

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here and I found out you, you
and your family were the ones

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stitching, those all together.
I'm like those poor people have

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to have carpal tunnel now I'm
seeing the amounts of drapes

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that were in there.
I'm like wow but no and and they

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look great.
That that's the reason I brought

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it up.
Was you, you guys really went

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Above and Beyond on that.
So Man that it's awesome.

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So yeah kind of you're
interesting because because you

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both had some experience outside
the church and then Inside as

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well.
So it's gonna say one thing

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about that I guess is yeah.
Um those those curtains are a

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testimony of In my mind, the
sword of larger plan that God

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has and also again sort of
redemption because I would not

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do those.
My family would not have been

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able to do those without the
substantial help and support of

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my maternal.
Grandparents.

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And they were probably the
people who were most angry on my

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parents became Fundamentalist.
He got the point where we are

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basically cut off for a couple
of years. and, So if you had

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told me then that oh, just wait
in the, you know.

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Eight or ten years, they're
going to be helping you make

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drapes for an apostate Temple.
I would have looked at you like

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you had two heads.
All right because they're both

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active Les and I just say one
more thing just like the large

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planning.
Of God because my grandparents

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did LDS temple drapes for a long
time.

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And before we even knew of the
existence of the group out in

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Missouri or any of it, I
Apprentice with my grandmother

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doing Temple trips as a, you
know, young teenager.

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Because that's what she did.
And it was a job and I could

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sell And then Along Comes This
Temple and my father's, like

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we're gonna help but think, as
we're in Utah, and there's not a

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lot you can do from three states
away, you can't do the drywall

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or Plumbing or landscaping, or
tile or concrete or any of it.

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From three states light, but you
can do Drake's. and, It's been a

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bit of a longer story but
something's had happened which

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had brought my my grandparents
around I guess from viewing.

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Us as apostate.
Horrible Wicked people to now,

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like the favorite grandchild,
like favorite grandchildren

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again.
It was a um, and My father

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committed to doing the drinks
before we had talked to them.

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He was like, we're gonna do,
we're out in the fall of 21, I

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believe.
And he was like, yes.

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We're going to like, he told me,
we were going to see this

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Temple, and we're gonna do the
drapes.

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And I was like, what, what do
you mean?

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What do you mean, you're gonna
do the traps?

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Because I had a princess.
I wasnt, I never really

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finished.
I don't really know what I was

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doing.
I just done like grunt work.

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Basically.
And he's like, yeah, we're gonna

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do the chips.
And I was like, okay, okay, I

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don't, I don't know.
He understand but I can't do

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that.
Like I need help and the people

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who are going to help me, Think
that this is the awful thing.

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This is never gonna work out.
He was like, no, no, it'll be

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fine.
I was like, I don't think it's

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gonna be fine.
He's like, we're gonna do the

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tricks.
Like, oh, that's so amazing.

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And I was like, oh, and then we
go back home and I'm like,

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there's no way that they're
gonna cause they're gonna say

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yes.
Because it wasn't even just oh,

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let me let us ask you a couple
questions.

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We got material from them.
My work room was my

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grandmother's worker and it's in
their basement.

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So like literally up in their
business.

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Doing you know, fundamentalist
Temple curtains. but somehow,

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Only I say somehow, I know
somehow.

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I know why they said oh yes.
And I was like, what?

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And then you know things worked
out and it was so sweet for me.

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To.
Have my grandparents.

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Have. come around, I guess
enough to Be a part of that and

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and enable us too.
You know, the entire thing

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hinged on them so 100%, you
know?

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And and it's so interesting when
you get into temples and temple

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building, There's a great line
from an LDS movie that was made

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cash.
I want to say back in 2011 about

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about Joseph Smith And it shows
him and Brigham Young working on

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the 10 on the curtain Temple.
and, Joseph Smith says something

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to the effect of people think
we're building a temple but what

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people don't realize is that God
is building us through building

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this Temple. and um I I remember
shortly after we got to

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Missouri, we got here in
February of 2024 and um, you

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know, help out in the temple
where I can because it's time we

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were living in Springfield so
I'd come out and help when and

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where I could And then um, we're
getting closer to dedication,

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it's like August.
And my wife Amber comes to me.

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And she asked me a question.
Now, before I tell you the

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question, I should say this.
And and you too, can probably

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both, um, A test of this fact
when you join a fundamentalist

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group or you become a
fundamentalist from the LDS

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church, it's a lot like rolling,
a grenade in your family, um to

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be allowed explosion.
And then there's going to be

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fragments for, for a hot minute
that?

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Yeah.
Only thing that could possibly

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be worse than that.
Is, if you're the only guy

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that's taking the blame for such
things.

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Now, let me explain.
My mother-in-law finds out

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Amber's mom that were were going
fundamentalist and oh, she

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didn't like me before, but that
got ratcheted to about 27, on a

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scale of one to 10. and so fast
forward back to Amber and I are

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in Missouri with you know me
Amber and Tanya and Amber comes

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to me in about July, And I'm
working.

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And Amber.
Very rarely talks to me while

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I'm working, right?
She's she's figured out that

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when I'm in that zone.
I'm just, I'm locked in.

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And she comes in and she's like,
I really need to talk to you.

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I'm like, okay, I was like,
yeah, I mean, if you're coming

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in middle of the day, yeah, you
got stuff going on.

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She works as well.
And so she pulls up a chair and

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she goes, I want you invite my
mom out to look at the temple.

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And I'm like, hmm.
So you want me to leave for a

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couple of weeks?
Why she's here?

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Like, where would you like me to
go?

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And she's like, no, I'm being
serious.

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I would really like her to come
out and see.

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And I'm like, she's never gonna
do that, right?

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Like, let's just get this
through right here. and um, I

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said, if you really feel
inspired that this is the way we

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should go, then do it.
You know, I'll put the I'll put

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the bill for the ticket and you
know the plane tickets whatever

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we need.
But if you really feel like this

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is what we should do, then do
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So she calls her mom and her mom
said, yes.

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And I was like, okay, she'll
back out last minute, right?

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Like the, what, what she's
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and she'll be like, oh yeah I'm
about to come down with a bad

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case of you know, can't see my
son-in-law itis. and um, but she

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came, she came and I remember it
was Tom sitting and shout out to

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him.
He he was the one that gave the

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tour to my mother-in-law.
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the perfect guy Forks, Tom.
I mean that dude's just full of

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right, like?
Yeah, if love would define

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stature that man would be 12
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absolutely the, the perfect guy
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And then we, we went home and
the girls went up stairs, all

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three of them, Amber Tanya and
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And I don't hear anything and
I'm like, oh, so I go up stairs

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and I, I go up and they're like
doing each other's nails and

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stuff, right?
And I just I'm like, well, I

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could say something, but don't
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Um, and so I just want back down
stairs by couldn't stop.

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But thinking, you know, I really
is kind of the blessing of

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temples, right?
I think so often we look at

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temples and we think man this
this is something that's going

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to be great for me to make
covenants with God.

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And I can help out my family on
the other side of the, the veil,

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but I don't think we give enough
respect enough thought to that,

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even the very Act of building
the Temple can can begin to heal

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family wounds.
So it's great story.

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I appreciate you sharing that
Zoe.

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Yeah.
So I mean it's a great blessing

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for me.
I saw miracles And I know many

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people who saw much bigger ones.
Right.

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In that thing, I'm sure.
Yep.

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Know for sure.
Well good enough.

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Well Okay.
Zoe Mikayla.

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Where are we talking about
today?

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Sure here.
Feminine, I guess side of

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Mormonism.
And how warm is a, should have a

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very rich.
Feminine spiritual tradition and

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we don't It causes lots of
problems because they're kind of

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lost it.
It's Mormonism.

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Has it, but we've lost it.
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What you mean by by, by, by
that, exactly lost its rich.

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Tradition of feminine femininity
in the podcast.

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There are.
Doctrines and they were

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practices in the early church.
which have been forgotten about

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today or if they're implications
have been forgotten and I'm

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seeing this a lot, personally,
I've talked to a lot of people

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where A lot of women actually in
particular where they're like, I

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don't really have a place in the
hospital.

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This idea of like the gospel is
all misogynistic.

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The Bible only talks about men,
why should I read the Bible?

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Because there's nothing for me
to get from it.

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The idea of being a woman in the
gospel.

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So boring because all I do is
sit at home and listen to what

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my husband tells me to say and
that's not what Mormonism

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teaches.
It's not what God wants for his

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daughters because we do have an
identity.

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We are not just A nameless
faceless person existing in the

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background. absolutely, I think
and I Oh, go ahead.

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What's that?
I think on that.

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Um, I loved one of one of my pet
peeves and also the things I

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love. is when people have issues
with a religion, which can be

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solved if you actually know what
you're talking about.

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I am, I am not one to say that
what we have is perfect.

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I think it's incredibly arrogant
to think that because it's

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everything's being filtered
through men.

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And men are very fallible.
I think it's very good, but

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until they're what I'm saying is
I think that there are issues

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that could be raised or
questions people could have.

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I'm like, I don't really know.
I don't know if it's a dressed

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but sometimes you have an issue
that gets raised, it's like

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well, It's in the doctrine.
There is an answer if you just

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actually knew your religion.
Yeah.

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On your percent.
I've said for a little while.

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that all the questions that the
feminists are raising right now

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in church and in the LDS Church,
Fundamentalism has the answer.

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You may not like the source from
where it came from, but it is

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the answer, right?
I'll give you an example.

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Um, and then I have a quick pop
quiz for both of you on this

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very thing.
Yeah, and no study time.

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Nothing.
We're just gonna test it.

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Um, A few, a few years back,
there was a talk given in the

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LDS General Conference and the,
I can't remember who it was.

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It did it but it was one of the
Big 12, right?

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One of the big 15 up there.
And they were talking about

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heavenly mother and they said,
you know, we don't know her

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name.
We don't know who she really

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was, but we know she exists and
I couldn't help but think there

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for a second.
Well, if you went back to the

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Adam God Doctrine, you know, a
heck of a lot more than what

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you're saying, you know, right.
I have so much beef with that

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talk because my ex-boyfriend
used to use it to shut me down

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on talking about something
mother.

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So, okay, So, when you were
talking about a rich history of

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feminine ability within the
restoration, it jogged my memory

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on something I just found.
Today, I'm gonna read this to

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you, but you guys need to tell
me who said it.

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Okay.
No cheating.

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I want no phones out, okay?
Here's a quote, we believe that

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women are useful, not only a
sweet houses, wash dishes, make

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beds, and raise babies, but that
they should be able to stand

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behind the counter study law, or
physics medicine, or become good

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bookkeepers, and be able to do
the business in any Counting

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house.
I'm freaking Young.

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That's Brigham Young.
Yeah. the guy that gets beat up

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the most around women's issues
and the gospel.

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Yeah, that dude's ahead of his
time and so I I bring up that

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quote to illustrate you two
young ladies are not far off the

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Mark at all.
I think that there is a rich

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history here that has been
ignored for for far too long,

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and so I'm I'm super excited to
get into this.

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Yeah, I mean this is something
else.

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I guess I could look at the
exact date she can talk.

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But yeah, the very very
impressive.

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Very patriarchal desert
territory.

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Uh, was the first state in the
Union 1870 to let women vote and

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then it was taken away.
Yes.

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In 1870.
Well, technically, Wyoming, I

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think passed Wyoming in Utah.
Passed a resolution about and

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Wyoming was first, but you had
an election before I am ended.

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So we had it, we lost it because
all the women were going to vote

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for promise know, like, oh no!
Yes.

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So it's taken away and then we
regained it in 1896.

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Yeah.
What just typical, right?

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I look at these issues, it's
like, well, no, they can't

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really want that.
They're not smart enough to vote

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for what they want, right?
Like woman of, Marvin them for

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anyone who hasn't read that
book, go read that book.

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Um, the last, like third half of
it, when, when was this book who

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wrote?
It was written officially by

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Edward Woolwich with high high
influence from the relief site,

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there's quote from Eliza snow,
visiting relief, societies and

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saying, thank you so much for
all your contribution to this

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book but it was published under
and Edward, Welch's name and

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Brigham Young signed off on it.
He thought it was great idea and

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he's like, yes, go write that
book when It was published 1877.

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Um, and The last like third or
half of it, it's actually

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talking about.
Plural marriage a lot.

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And then specifically, they had
this huge conference.

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I think it was like 5,000 women
and they would not let a single

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man attend and the reason why
was because they knew if they

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let any men attend, then the US
government would say, see look

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at how the men are forcing you
to do this.

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And the one where like, no, this
is what we believe, this is what

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we want, this is what we want to
vote for and so we won't let

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them in attend so they can't use
that argument against us.

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Okay.
So I'm gonna ask two more

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questions.
I'm gonna ask one more question

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here to each of you and then
we'll jump in.

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But who, who is your favorite?
Female personality from church

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history.
That's hard.

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Right now at this moment.
I read a lot of stuff for my

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eyes are snow, but it's
probably.

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Oh, I'm blanking on her name.
Hyrum Smith swimming Smith.

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I was about to say.
Mary feelings.

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Yeah, cuz she's great.
There's a story of her where

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like she wants to come to Utah,
crossing the Plains and

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everything, and the captain of
the group.

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She's with is like, no, you're
not prepared for that.

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You're not ready for that.
She's like, I will make myself

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prepared for, and I will be
ready for it.

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And I'm gonna beat you there
because you say, I can't do it

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and she does, like, multiple
things happen to prevent that

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from happening.
And she beats them to Utah,

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including raising an auction
from the dead.

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Yeah, she raises the nasty from
the dead.

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On the plane, it's great.
We got that later, but yeah, I

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probably Hey, how about you,
Zoe?

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Oh, I was gonna say that's well,
yeah, I was great.

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Very I feel like Smith is yeah
fabulous.

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I've been reading lots of books
recently on women from the

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restoration.
So there's a lot of great

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stories.
He want to know who I really

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liked.
Martha Hughes Cannon.

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Oh.
You know who she is.

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Recognized the name.
So she was born in 1857, she

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comes from England, she's an
early, Mormon convert.

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Um, And she ends up being
married to.

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I think it's I think it's Oh,
what was Canon?

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What was his first name George?
I can't remember.

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Who George you, Canon.
I think it's the I think she's

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married to the son of George Q
Cannon.

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Oh Maybe I'd have to look.
Let me see if I can pull it up

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here real quick.
Um, Angus Cannon.

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Okay.
That one I don't know.

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Okay, so if I'm not mistaken,
she was a plural wife and she

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does some amazing things.
She is one of the first women to

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get elected as a state senator
in Utah.

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Now, here's the interesting
thing.

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She beats her husband for that
senate seat.

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All right, it's her own husband.
They stay married.

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Now, as a guy, I can promise you
when Angus showed up to his next

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core meeting, there was a lot of
what's a matter bro.

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Can't get your house in order.
I mean, he, I care.

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I can't, I have no historical
documentation to prove this, but

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I promise you.
Somebody gave that man a raft

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because there's no way, dude,
you're making it out of there

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without giving him a little bit
of Gulf over that.

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But she does some amazing things
moves on for with Healthcare and

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and she openly basically says I
can only do this because of

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plural, marriage, right.
I have more freedom now to do

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this.
And so she's absolutely one of

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my heroes.
I think she's she's an amazing

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woman, but all right.
I think that's enough of that.

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Let's let's jump in.
What do you girls got?

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Okay.
We're gonna start with the

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doctrine that we find in
Mormonism and then get into how

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they've been Twisted.
Well yes we say we say that

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Mormonism or the restoration
should have this Rich, feminine

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Divine tradition.
And so then this is why, why

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should we and we have a list.
Yeah.

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So starting with Doctrine on
heavenly mother, you have Eliza

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Snow's poem that's turned into a
hymn because in the heavens are

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parents single.
Know the thought makes reason

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stare.
Truth is reason, truth, Eternal

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tells me of a mother there.
There's also some scriptures

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that kind of point to this idea
to Proverbs.

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I've heard the idea before.
I don't know if it's right, I

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think it's interesting idea, um,
but that you should read

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Proverbs as heavenly mother
speaking to her children because

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it is often referring to wisdom
in as a personified feminine.

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and so we have Proverbs chapter
8, I can transcripts I guess I'd

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say backing up.
As opposed to mainstream

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Christianity.
Hmm.

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Mormonism or the restoration,
has a very developed or should

447
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,400
have a very developed idea of
the feminine.

448
00:28:31,300 --> 00:28:34,100
Divine.
Yeah, you have this doctrine of

449
00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:38,900
heavenly mother and it's one of
the kind of bug like bugs in the

450
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:42,400
restoration as far as like you
don't talk about heavenly

451
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,500
mother, you don't you know, you
don't talk about heavenly mother

452
00:28:45,508 --> 00:28:48,000
and we're getting to this a
little bit later.

453
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:54,200
I think that it is out of this.
partially out of a misplaced

454
00:28:54,200 --> 00:29:01,300
fear of Either a
misunderstanding or worrying

455
00:29:01,300 --> 00:29:04,200
about running into idolatry.
Yeah.

456
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,500
And no worshiping something
closer to Ishtar.

457
00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:09,300
Yeah, yeah.
Worshiping.

458
00:29:09,300 --> 00:29:13,900
You know, the fear is that in,
worshiping the divine feminine

459
00:29:13,900 --> 00:29:17,500
people's, you know, sort of
devotions will be misplaced.

460
00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:21,300
And I think that's stupid
because we don't avoid

461
00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:26,900
worshiping God for fear that are
are Devotions will be misplaced,

462
00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:30,000
too.
You know, some other God, yeah.

463
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,300
I think that's a very valid
point.

464
00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:37,400
I think, I think the other
reason is is that You can't

465
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,200
really name her if you're trying
to get rid of a Doctrine.

466
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,800
And let me let me explain this.
If you're trying to jettison the

467
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,100
Adam God Doctrine.
You also have to just in the

468
00:29:47,108 --> 00:29:53,300
idea of we can name heavenly
mother. and so, once once that

469
00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:58,000
Doctrine starts to fall out of
favor, well, now you have to go

470
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:03,400
to kind of a and ambiguous
female deity.

471
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,800
That doesn't get approached
right?

472
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:11,700
Because you can't you if you
can't name who God is you can't

473
00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:13,400
certainly can't name who his
wife is.

474
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,000
So what you have left over is
things from like Eliza R snow

475
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:23,000
that leaves modern mainstream
LDS church and I'm not trying to

476
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,600
to crap on the church here.
I'm just telling you what I

477
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,100
think from a historical
perspective if you can't name

478
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:30,800
God you certainly couldn't name
his wife.

479
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,800
Yeah and so you you have to kind
of distance yourself from that.

480
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:41,200
I mean, you see evidence This is
one of three butts, the complete

481
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,000
discourses.
And poetry of Eliza are snow.

482
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:48,100
It was published in 2024, and it
has a little, I think it was put

483
00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:49,700
together by someone and the
others church.

484
00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:52,800
I'm not positive on that though.
But it has a little, like,

485
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,500
historical background section in
it, and part of it, it goes over

486
00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:58,300
out of God.
And is like, yeah, that's we

487
00:30:58,300 --> 00:31:01,800
don't believe that or anything
and every time she mentions it

488
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,000
which is usually when she's
talking about how many mother as

489
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,600
a footnote the refer you back to
that historical section.

490
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,300
Oh dear.
Yeah.

491
00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:13,200
But no, it's true.
One of the things that were also

492
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:18,600
going to talk about later is an
idea of and I should say one of

493
00:31:18,608 --> 00:31:23,000
the Tenets of restoration
theology, which is nearest and

494
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,500
dearest to my heart.
Is the idea of literal

495
00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:27,700
childhood?
Yeah.

496
00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:33,500
Um, So, within the restoration
at least was then sort of rigor

497
00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:36,700
might Branch.
So the restoration We believe in

498
00:31:36,700 --> 00:31:45,600
humans as the literal children
of God, body and spirit in a way

499
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,300
that is radical and
life-changing.

500
00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:55,200
And part of that is to my mind
and idea of, you know, Adam God.

501
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,300
And then by extension, all of
the heavenly mother things,

502
00:31:59,300 --> 00:32:01,900
click.
Because we, we hear about Eve,

503
00:32:01,900 --> 00:32:09,600
they talk about Eve and so have
the doctor for her as our

504
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,700
heavenly mother of King did
everything.

505
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:15,000
Yeah.
And it changes the way we view

506
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,900
her, I think you have a bunch of
notes about this.

507
00:32:16,900 --> 00:32:21,300
Yeah.
So when you Perfect.

508
00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:26,700
But Proverbs 8, Not going to
read all the verses we have

509
00:32:26,700 --> 00:32:30,600
because it's a lot but you see
this person if education with

510
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,300
that's not wisdom cry and
understanding put forth her

511
00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:35,800
voice she's standing in the top
of high places.

512
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,500
By the way, in the place is of
the pods, she cried at the gate

513
00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:42,800
at the entry of the city and the
coming in at the doors.

514
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,500
So you see this personification
happen like lady wisdom.

515
00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:55,700
Yeah. and then you have, It's
talking about the creation 22.

516
00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:59,000
Yeah.
And it says the Lord possessed,

517
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,000
me and the beginning of his way
before, his works of old, I was

518
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,500
set up from Everlasting from the
beginning or ever.

519
00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:07,100
The Earth was.
When there were no depths I was

520
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:09,600
brought forth when there were
no, fountains abounding with

521
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,700
water before the mountains were
settled.

522
00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:15,100
Before the hills was, I brought
forth while, as yet he had not

523
00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:18,700
made the Earth nor the fields,
nor the highest part of the Dust

524
00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:20,900
of the world.
When he prepared the heavens, I

525
00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:24,500
was there when he set a compass
upon the face of the depth when

526
00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:27,300
he established the clouds above,
when he strengthened The

527
00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:30,500
Fountains of the deep.
When he gave to see his decree

528
00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:33,500
that the waters should not pass
to his commandment.

529
00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:37,200
When he appointed the
foundations of the earth, then I

530
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,300
was by him as one brought up
with him and I was daily, his

531
00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:43,100
Delight rejoicing always before
him.

532
00:33:43,900 --> 00:33:47,600
So, it's showing that wisdom.
And this personified feminine,

533
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,000
is there in the beginning with
the father?

534
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,900
And I like that nrsv translation
a little better of verse 30,

535
00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:57,000
where it says, then I was by him
as one brought up with him,

536
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,500
because in the King James, it
almost sounds like a child,

537
00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:03,200
right?
So this is we have a copy here

538
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,900
of the NRC which is broadly
considered, I think to be one of

539
00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:10,100
the more accurate depending on
who you talk, depending on how

540
00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:14,000
you.
Um, but so I'm just gonna back

541
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,199
up a little bit says You know
when he established Heavens I

542
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:21,600
was there when he drew a circle
on the face of the deep when he

543
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,900
made firm the skies above when
he established The Fountains of

544
00:34:24,900 --> 00:34:27,199
the deep when he assigned to the
Sea its limit.

545
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:30,100
So that the waters might not
transgress his command when he

546
00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:33,699
marked out the foundations of
the earth, then I was beside him

547
00:34:33,699 --> 00:34:37,199
like a master worker.
I was daily, his Delight

548
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:40,300
rejoicing before him always
rejoicing and his and how did

549
00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:42,199
World and delighting into the
human race.

550
00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:46,100
Yeah, no.
I I see what you're saying

551
00:34:46,100 --> 00:34:47,400
there.
I do like that translation

552
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,900
better.
The one thing I thought about in

553
00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:55,800
verse 30 there were says then I
was by him as one brought up

554
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,300
with him.
What do we know about about our

555
00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:00,900
father and God?
Well, he was a man.

556
00:35:00,908 --> 00:35:03,500
He was more like the rest of us,
right?

557
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:10,100
in this life, if if we pass
judgment Right?

558
00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:13,200
The Judgment bar of God, we
Ascend, right?

559
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,700
If we look at historical Temple
patterns, it's an Ascension,

560
00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:20,100
right?
You start at the very bottom and

561
00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:26,100
you work your way up top. and, I
couldn't stop but wonder if what

562
00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:28,000
she is saying.
If this is heavenly mother,

563
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,600
talking is saying I was brought
up with him, meaning I was

564
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:37,500
standing with him and and that
to me is what jumped out in that

565
00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:40,600
verse, right?
I was I was brought up with him,

566
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,100
we ascended together and I was
daily, his Delight rejoicing

567
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:47,400
always before him, right?
And now it paints this picture

568
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:54,100
of God, looking at his wife.
Delighting in her, right?

569
00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:58,900
This this thing where where they
come together and even the word

570
00:35:58,900 --> 00:36:02,800
Elohim, right?
Which, which we find in in the

571
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,000
scripture and in the temple,
that's a plural verb, right?

572
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,500
And for a lot of years, I
thought, okay, this was a

573
00:36:09,500 --> 00:36:11,400
console of male Gods, who was
there.

574
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,900
I don't think that's it, give
them that the gospels, a very

575
00:36:14,900 --> 00:36:17,600
family structured.
I would think that that Council

576
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,000
was probably husband and wife, I
would guess.

577
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,600
Um, And women is very much a
creature of creation.

578
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,400
There's a book called consider
yourself as a by Megan Farner

579
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,800
where she has this table that
she's created of, here's a

580
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,300
feminine spirit and things.
And here's a masculine spirit

581
00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:37,800
and things.
And one of the things that has

582
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,100
in that table is the feminine,
takes a spiritual and makes it

583
00:36:41,100 --> 00:36:45,500
physical, and then the masculine
takes the physical and makes it

584
00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:46,800
spiritual.
And you see this, for example,

585
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,300
women we give birth, and we are
bringing our bringing Spirit

586
00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:54,000
children into the Physical
Realm, and giving them the

587
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,100
body's, and then the men
baptized those.

588
00:36:56,100 --> 00:36:58,800
And it's another birth, but it's
a spiritual ordinance worker,

589
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,500
where you're taking something
physical, and making it

590
00:37:00,508 --> 00:37:04,300
spiritual.
Yeah, no totally.

591
00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:09,300
Um, on the Elohim thing, our
good family, friend Tracy

592
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:11,200
Roberts.
He's been on here before I

593
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,500
believe he definitely believes
that.

594
00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:20,400
He talks about Elohim as The,
you know, a masculine and

595
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,300
feminine.
I mean a man and a woman

596
00:37:23,308 --> 00:37:30,900
glorified as that's God and and
this is, This is I think

597
00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:35,800
scripturally based, I mean
because this is a D&C 132 thing,

598
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,500
but you have to be sealed to be
exalted.

599
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,200
Um, and feeling means.
Well.

600
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,600
You know, the two shall become
one flesh, right?

601
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,900
So half of half of a half of a
marriage is not gonna get

602
00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:54,600
exalted without the other half.
I feel like that Can cause some

603
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,300
issues.
I don't I don't think I don't

604
00:37:56,300 --> 00:37:59,900
think that works like that.
I know here, yeah.

605
00:37:59,900 --> 00:38:04,600
So let's see.
Another one we have is first

606
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:09,500
Nephi 11.
This is when Nephi goes to ask

607
00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:15,200
about the Tree of Life vision,
verse 13 and 22.

608
00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:18,900
Sure.
So he says On it.

609
00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:22,100
And it came to pass that I
looked and beheld the great city

610
00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:25,800
of Jerusalem and also other
cities and I'm held the city of

611
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,400
Nazareth and in the city of
Nazareth by the held a virgin

612
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,900
and she was exceedingly fair and
white.

613
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,000
And I came to pass that.
I saw the heavens open and an

614
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,900
angel, came down and stood
before me, and he said unto me

615
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:40,600
Nephi.
What?

616
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,400
Behold this spout?
And I said unto him a virgin

617
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,900
most beautiful unfair about all
other virgins. and he said unto

618
00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:53,100
me Noah's style, the
condensation of God, And I said

619
00:38:53,100 --> 00:38:55,600
unto him, I know that he loved
his children.

620
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,900
Nevertheless, I do not know the
meaning of all things.

621
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,200
And he said to me, behold the
Virgin who now see is the mother

622
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,900
of the Son of God after the
manner of the flesh.

623
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,500
And it came to pass that I have
held that she was carried away

624
00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:12,000
in the spirit.
And after she had been carried

625
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,100
away in the spirit for the face
of the time, the angel spoke

626
00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:19,900
unto me saying, look, and I
looked, And behold the Virgin

627
00:39:19,900 --> 00:39:22,000
Again bearing a child in her
arms.

628
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,800
And the angel said to me, Behold
the Lamb of God, yet even the

629
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,300
son of the Eternal Father.
Noah, the meaning of the tree,

630
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:33,900
which thy father saw.
And I answered him saying, yay.

631
00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:37,300
It is the love of God, which
itself abroad in the hearts of

632
00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:40,900
the children of men, wherefore,
it is the most desirable of all

633
00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:44,700
things.
So here you often have the

634
00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:47,300
interpretation.
So the tree of life is the love

635
00:39:47,300 --> 00:39:48,900
of God.
So you often have to

636
00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:50,400
interpretation.
That that means it's just

637
00:39:50,408 --> 00:39:54,000
Christ.
I believe that's a completely

638
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,600
valid interpretation that, it
does not saying it's not Christ,

639
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,700
but I think it's more than that
because if it was just Christ,

640
00:40:00,700 --> 00:40:03,500
you could have showed Christ's
Ministry on the earth.

641
00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:05,200
Him coming suffering.
Bleeding dying.

642
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,600
What he showed, what the angel
shows me by.

643
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:14,900
Oh, sorry with the angel shows
Nephi is The Virgin Mary and

644
00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:16,800
then Mary holding the Christ
child.

645
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,500
Which shows that the love of God
is the mother and the mother

646
00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:24,900
with her child.
And so it is Christ but it's

647
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:30,100
more than that it's it's his
wife, it's his family. and I

648
00:40:30,107 --> 00:40:38,600
think, This is something so I
have mixed feelings about. the

649
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:46,300
wonderful man, we call Martin
Luther, um, because He did much

650
00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:52,000
good in sort of opening the
world up. with the Protestant

651
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:57,300
Reformation and creating a sort
of environment in which the

652
00:40:57,300 --> 00:41:03,000
restoration would be able to
grow. but also, He threw many

653
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:09,900
babies out with the bathwater.
because, for all you say, I have

654
00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:12,000
a deep respect for the Catholic
church.

655
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,100
I think that the idea that it is
the great and abominable church

656
00:41:16,100 --> 00:41:20,000
is completely ridiculous because
there are only two churches.

657
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,800
There's a church of the Lamb of
God and there's a church of the

658
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,900
devil and the Catholic church is
not the Church of the devil.

659
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:31,200
Ah, I agree wholeheartedly and I
think there's issues and

660
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,500
undoubtedly.
Nobody's welcome to mankind.

661
00:41:33,500 --> 00:41:37,400
Yeah.
Um, but I also think that there

662
00:41:37,408 --> 00:41:44,800
is a lot of beauty. and a lot of
truth that as Mormons who come

663
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,000
from a Protestant tradition, we
don't have because the

664
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:55,000
Protestants it was less and I
should say in some respects it

665
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,900
feels less like a turning back
to scripture and Lord like a

666
00:41:58,900 --> 00:42:02,900
let's be not Catholic.
Let's get his anti-catholic as

667
00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:06,200
we can.
Um, but the problem is there was

668
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:11,300
true and I think part of this is
though, misplaced.

669
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,600
The Catholic church has a much
more well-developed by feminine

670
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,100
tradition than protestantism
does.

671
00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:23,400
So, I do not condone this sort
of Marion.

672
00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:28,300
Almost.
I would say worship and that

673
00:42:28,300 --> 00:42:36,700
would get me a lot of angry
Catholic. but I do not condone

674
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:42,100
the Mary adoration, but I also
think that There is a very

675
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:47,000
important.
Sort of Truth there as far as.

676
00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:54,100
God was the child of a woman and
it's through this woman that he

677
00:42:54,100 --> 00:43:00,200
shows himself to mankind.
And in that way, it is a

678
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,200
Redemption for Eve, right?
Good.

679
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:11,500
So, um, The the serpent that
the, you know, descendant of Eve

680
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:15,400
is going to get bitten by and
then Crush its head.

681
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,500
Obviously, we believe that's
Christ but more than that I

682
00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:22,500
think people don't think about
the Redemption of Eve.

683
00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:27,900
And if you have a belief and
Adam goddaughter and then the

684
00:43:27,900 --> 00:43:30,700
Redemption of Eve maybe doesn't
even need to have to happen, but

685
00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:33,300
just biblically.
If you have the idea of oh,

686
00:43:33,300 --> 00:43:40,700
well, humanity is cursed because
of a woman, then humanity is I

687
00:43:40,700 --> 00:43:42,700
just threw a woman we could take
away from God.

688
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,300
Right through the actions of
Eve, get cast out of the garden

689
00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:50,500
and then through the Virgin.
Mary, God comes back down to us.

690
00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:53,500
Right.
Right.

691
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:59,600
You know, you you brought up Eve
being the being labeled, the

692
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,300
source of all of Humanity's
problems.

693
00:44:02,500 --> 00:44:06,100
And if it's one thing that I
love about the Restoration in

694
00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:09,700
Joseph Smith is He's gonna
overturn, some theological

695
00:44:09,700 --> 00:44:14,900
tables in that department. um,
in Joseph's Day.

696
00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:20,400
You're, you're 100% correct.
The dominant theology stated.

697
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,900
All of Mankind's woes comes
because Eve just had to eat the

698
00:44:24,900 --> 00:44:27,600
fruit.
Right, there's no new ones

699
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,000
there.
And because of that, we see a

700
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,800
series of events where God's
daughters are essentially shoved

701
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:40,800
to the back, right?
And, and the men kind of are

702
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,400
content, keep them there.
Joseph comes along.

703
00:44:44,300 --> 00:44:48,500
And Joseph begins to.
Reveal some things, restore some

704
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:53,000
things from God about Womanhood
and about their place in it.

705
00:44:53,900 --> 00:45:00,300
And it's so dramatic that.
Now not only is it not not

706
00:45:00,300 --> 00:45:04,700
Eve's.
It's not the to the blame of Eve

707
00:45:04,700 --> 00:45:07,300
that we go through this Mortal
toil, right?

708
00:45:07,300 --> 00:45:13,800
It's for our benefit and she
plays a heroic Um, position in

709
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:18,300
that being, she's the one who
who reasons things out and says,

710
00:45:18,300 --> 00:45:21,100
you know.
And and here I'm gonna, you

711
00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:24,900
know, inject a little bit of of
my own beliefs here.

712
00:45:24,900 --> 00:45:28,700
So take it with a grain of salt
but I can only imagine even the

713
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:30,700
garden going.
You know, God told us to have

714
00:45:30,700 --> 00:45:34,300
kids and we're not having any
what's going on here, right?

715
00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:38,900
That process starts and she's
the one that ultimately allows

716
00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:44,400
for us to be here.
Okay to be there then Joseph's

717
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:45,400
not done.
Right?

718
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,800
Joseph gets more Revelation and
he says, yeah, fellas.

719
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,400
Listen, if you want to get to
where you ultimately want to go,

720
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:52,900
you don't get to get there by
yourself.

721
00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:57,700
You need a wife and it's only
together that you two will be

722
00:45:57,700 --> 00:46:01,400
able to attain everything
Mormonism has to offer both in

723
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,000
this life and the life to come.
So it is a radical message

724
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:10,500
regarding feminine, you know,
the the divine feminine nature

725
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:14,800
within every woman that he
addresses and brings forth and

726
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,200
it sets Christianity on fire, a
little bit as it should.

727
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,000
There's a quote in the woman of
Mormonism.

728
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,700
I thought I had in my document,
I don't unfortunately but it's

729
00:46:25,700 --> 00:46:29,200
talking about you've partaking
of the fruits and it says

730
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:34,100
something along the lines of Um,
the mother came and she chose to

731
00:46:34,107 --> 00:46:38,000
take of it and it would have
outraged motherhood if she

732
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:43,700
hadn't because it is part of her
role in part of her sacrifice to

733
00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:46,400
eat and fall and condescend for
her children.

734
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,900
And if she had let Adam do so
first, it would have been an

735
00:46:49,900 --> 00:46:52,400
Outreach to Motherhood.
Absolutely.

736
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,400
Absolutely great Point.
Who made that in that in that

737
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,600
book, who said that?
Um, it's Edward Woolwich, I

738
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:06,200
don't think that quote is Said
to or attributed, attributed to

739
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,300
anyone.
There's some other quotes here,

740
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:10,600
and I think, I think he's
playing off a lot of what

741
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,800
Brigham Young has said, because
we're gonna have some quotes on

742
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,200
her similar to that.
Yeah.

743
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,100
And I think I think part of it
too.

744
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:22,500
Well, first off again, I believe
in sort of Adam God reframes it

745
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:28,800
all, from this horrible tragedy
that can signs us to the tragedy

746
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:34,900
that is this mortality To the
ultimate sacrifice of being

747
00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:39,700
willing to as Christ did write
crisis, you know, our second

748
00:47:39,700 --> 00:47:42,100
Adam.
And in that he did the same

749
00:47:42,107 --> 00:47:46,700
thing.
He's willing to condescend for

750
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,300
And and fall and have, you know,
the toil and the struggles

751
00:47:51,300 --> 00:47:55,000
because as exalted beings, they
didn't have to do that.

752
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,900
Yeah.
And they chose to for our sakes

753
00:47:57,900 --> 00:48:00,400
that we could be born for the,
you know, Redemption of our

754
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,100
bodies much as Christ did for
the Redemption of our spirits.

755
00:48:04,100 --> 00:48:09,600
And I also think that one other
aspect of this is that in

756
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:14,800
restoration, theology, our
bodies are not bad things.

757
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:20,500
Yeah, so one very common thread
in making Christianity.

758
00:48:21,500 --> 00:48:24,600
And this may be goes back to
sort of the Gnostic tradition

759
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,500
and maybe goes back to other
places but there's an idea of

760
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:33,500
the flash as bad body.
You know, you're just one of the

761
00:48:33,500 --> 00:48:39,000
it's all over the sort of
doctoral teaching of well once

762
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,000
you release from your body once.
You're so one of my favorite

763
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,400
hymns is come out but in it
there's a bunch of, you know

764
00:48:46,408 --> 00:48:50,000
clothes and flashed tell that
shall lose me.

765
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:56,700
I cannot Proclaim it well and
And so when you have the idea of

766
00:48:56,700 --> 00:49:03,500
body like the physical body as a
curse as a cage, then the fact

767
00:49:03,500 --> 00:49:07,900
that Eve fell and we got
physical body's sucks.

768
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:10,500
Awful.
Right?

769
00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:14,300
Because she just consigned
generations to back pain like

770
00:49:14,300 --> 00:49:19,200
yeah, thanks a lot.
Right, right.

771
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:25,800
Um, but within the restoration,
and there's an idea of the

772
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:31,700
physical as holy as well.
And it's, it's Fallen, but that

773
00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:35,100
doesn't mean that the concept is
bad, right?

774
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:38,200
We believe in a God that has a
body.

775
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:44,400
And we believe the our body's
are not cages, but enable us to

776
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,600
do more things that our spirit
ever could, which is the

777
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,900
complete turning.
All of the Christian doctor

778
00:49:49,900 --> 00:49:53,500
completely on its head.
Joseph Smith stops into the

779
00:49:53,500 --> 00:49:55,900
picture and he says, we came to
this earth that we might have a

780
00:49:55,900 --> 00:49:58,300
body and presents a pure before.
God in the Celestial Kingdom.

781
00:49:58,300 --> 00:50:01,300
The great principal of Happiness
consists and having a body.

782
00:50:01,300 --> 00:50:03,800
The devil has no body.
And here in this is punishment.

783
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,400
He is pleased when he can obtain
a tabernacle of man and one cast

784
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,700
out by the savior.
He asked to go into the herd of

785
00:50:09,707 --> 00:50:13,000
swine showing that he would
prefer a swine's body to having

786
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,000
none.
All beings who have body have

787
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,800
power over those.
Who have not no person can have

788
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,100
this salvation except through a
tabernacle Interesting.

789
00:50:22,100 --> 00:50:25,700
You know, says it right there.
Yeah, you even have it showing

790
00:50:25,700 --> 00:50:28,400
up in First Corinthians 3.
It says, no, you not that.

791
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,400
Your body is a temple.
The file not.

792
00:50:32,100 --> 00:50:33,500
Playing the temple, and you'll
be destroyed.

793
00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:36,500
No, you're not right, level of
God and that spirit of God

794
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:37,500
dwelling you?
Yeah.

795
00:50:37,500 --> 00:50:39,200
Any man, defile.
The temple of God.

796
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,800
Him shall God?
Destroy the temple of God is

797
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,700
Holy which Temple?
Ye are!

798
00:50:43,700 --> 00:50:47,600
Yeah, so I guess this is to say
that it's exists in.

799
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:53,900
I think the biblically there is
some idea of this and it's just

800
00:50:53,900 --> 00:50:57,300
in sort of again, menstrual
Christian ideas and ideology

801
00:50:57,300 --> 00:51:00,500
that it's become a problem
twisted.

802
00:51:00,500 --> 00:51:04,900
And I don't see why because
again that the body is limiting,

803
00:51:04,900 --> 00:51:08,200
we have mortal eyes.
We have.

804
00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:11,000
Mortal design, you know, flashy
desires.

805
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:15,400
And so then it's like, well what
is the ultimate goal is the

806
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,000
ultimate goal to be free from
all of that or is the ultimate

807
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,700
goal to have that all be
purified?

808
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:28,200
And turn.
Holy yeah. and I think, um, we

809
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:29,500
are gonna talk about us a little
bit later.

810
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,900
Um, but the obviously Mormon
darkness is very explicit about

811
00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:37,400
God, having a body and the
biggest one I think of that is

812
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,400
an ether.
What was the reference ether,

813
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:40,900
316 and 17.
Okay.

814
00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:46,000
Um, you also have doctor and
Covenants section 13022, where

815
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,700
it says, the the father has a
body of Flesh and Bones.

816
00:51:48,707 --> 00:51:52,000
In the sun has awesome.
Either three.

817
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,600
Yes.
So Um, yes, 6217.

818
00:51:55,600 --> 00:52:01,500
So This is the brother of Jared.
And they're getting ready to

819
00:52:01,500 --> 00:52:03,700
leave and he's building these
barges and he's like, but

820
00:52:03,700 --> 00:52:06,800
they're dark, we can't be in the
dark and God's like, well, what

821
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,000
do you want me to do?
And the brother's like I'm gonna

822
00:52:10,008 --> 00:52:12,800
make these stones and you touch
them and then they'll glow.

823
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,400
says, and it came to pass that
when the brother from ether

824
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,800
chapter 3, And it came to pass
that when the brother of Jared

825
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,400
had said these words Behold The
Lord stretched forth his hand

826
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,000
and touched the stones, one by
one with his finger and the veil

827
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:33,100
was taken from off the eyes of
the brother of Jared and he saw

828
00:52:33,100 --> 00:52:37,200
the finger of the Lord and it
was as the finger of a man, like

829
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,100
on the flash and blood and the
brother of Jared fell down

830
00:52:40,100 --> 00:52:43,800
before the Lord.
And he was struck with fear when

831
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,800
the Lord saw that.
The brother of Jared had fallen

832
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,200
to the earth and the Lord said
to him arise.

833
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:52,100
Why has so Fallen?
And he said to the Lord, I Saw

834
00:52:52,100 --> 00:52:54,900
the finger of the Lord, and I
feared lest, he should spot me

835
00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:56,700
for.
I'm knew not that the Lord had

836
00:52:56,700 --> 00:53:00,600
flesh and blood.
The Lord said unto him because

837
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:05,000
of thy thou has seen that.
I shall take upon me flesh and

838
00:53:05,008 --> 00:53:08,300
blood and never has man come
before me with such exceeding

839
00:53:08,300 --> 00:53:10,700
Faith.
As thou Hast for weren't not so

840
00:53:10,700 --> 00:53:13,800
you could not have seen my
finger saw us that more than

841
00:53:13,808 --> 00:53:17,800
this.
Um, and then a little bit later.

842
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,900
He says, behold the Lord showed
himself unto him and said

843
00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:27,500
because I know he thinks you are
from the fall.

844
00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:29,800
I'm gonna come back to this
later.

845
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,100
Therefore, your brought back
into my presence.

846
00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:34,700
Therefore I show myself unto you
behold.

847
00:53:34,700 --> 00:53:38,100
I am he who was prepared from
the foundation of the world to

848
00:53:38,100 --> 00:53:40,600
redeem my people, hold on.
I'm Jesus Christ.

849
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,700
I am the father and the son in
me, shall all men kind of life.

850
00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:48,400
And that eternally, even they
Who Shall Believe on my name,

851
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,600
and they shall become my son's
and my daughter's.

852
00:53:51,700 --> 00:53:53,600
And I never have I showed myself
on demand.

853
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,300
I have created for never has
been believed in me.

854
00:53:57,700 --> 00:54:01,300
As thou Hast, see how that he
are created after my own image.

855
00:54:01,300 --> 00:54:05,200
Yeah, even all men were created
in the beginning after my own

856
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:09,200
image, The whole this body which
she now behold is the body of my

857
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,500
spirit.
And man, have I created after

858
00:54:11,500 --> 00:54:15,400
the body of my spirit and even
as I appear under thee to be in

859
00:54:15,408 --> 00:54:17,900
the spirit, I will appear into
my people in the flesh.

860
00:54:19,500 --> 00:54:23,100
So now as I'm her own, I said, I
could not make a full account of

861
00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:26,700
these things which were written.
Therefore it's a five cents me

862
00:54:26,707 --> 00:54:30,100
to say that Jesus showed himself
unto this man in the spirit.

863
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:32,900
Even after the manner and in the
life is of the same body, even

864
00:54:32,900 --> 00:54:37,300
as he showed himself onto the
knee fights. and, Obviously this

865
00:54:37,300 --> 00:54:41,400
there's some quotes from Joseph
Smith about how spirit is

866
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,200
tangible.
It's Magic.

867
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,500
It's just more refined and we
can't see it with our modal

868
00:54:47,500 --> 00:54:50,200
eyes.
If you want to self about being

869
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:56,200
made in the image that yeah.
That's So we're gonna that is

870
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,700
going to be Genesis.
So you I have one more thing I

871
00:54:59,700 --> 00:55:01,000
want to say about this.
What?

872
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:05,400
Okay, we are made in the image
of God male and female and this

873
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:10,600
should be a tip off at the very
beginning that There is a.

874
00:55:12,700 --> 00:55:20,200
divine feminine, and See in in
the within sort of Christian or

875
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,200
Jewish understanding, they think
that oh that means that God is

876
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,300
both masculine and feminine in
one being.

877
00:55:27,300 --> 00:55:31,300
And just presents himself as
male when interacting with

878
00:55:31,300 --> 00:55:35,700
humanity and that is an
abomination.

879
00:55:36,900 --> 00:55:42,700
Um, because God is a god of
distinctions.

880
00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:49,100
And his creative process is one
of separation. which is

881
00:55:49,100 --> 00:55:51,200
something that humans can't do
or the very beginning, he

882
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,700
separates the darkness from the
light and he separates the Earth

883
00:55:54,700 --> 00:55:57,200
from the waters and he separates
the waters above from the waters

884
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:04,000
below and he separates man from
Woman, and The combining of

885
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,900
things there is.
Evil and this is a larger top

886
00:56:08,900 --> 00:56:10,300
and we can get into at this
time.

887
00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:13,300
But One of the ways you can
understand.

888
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:18,600
The character of God Is by
looking at the character's of

889
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,200
the other gods, because he's not
like any of them.

890
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,700
And this is something that's
quite spicy, perhaps, but I

891
00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:30,700
think it's very valuable.
There is, I think it's Psalm 82,

892
00:56:30,700 --> 00:56:33,300
says like the gods of the
nations are demons basically.

893
00:56:33,900 --> 00:56:37,800
Um, there's a man by the name of
Jonathan Cahn.

894
00:56:38,500 --> 00:56:45,400
Who is a Messianic Rabbi and he
wrote a amazing book called The

895
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:49,400
Return of the Gods.
And his basic pieces, is that

896
00:56:51,300 --> 00:56:55,800
All of the Ishtar and Baal and
molec and all of her ball, I

897
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,500
guess and molec and all of
these.

898
00:56:58,500 --> 00:57:01,700
Pagan gods.
There is a spiritual reality

899
00:57:01,700 --> 00:57:05,400
behind all of that.
Because they manifest himself to

900
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:10,500
humans across culture sometimes
and much the similar ways there

901
00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:14,700
is um, you know, this is why you
have Zeus and Odin and it's like

902
00:57:14,700 --> 00:57:17,300
they're the same God, but one of
them's North in the other one is

903
00:57:17,300 --> 00:57:21,500
great. and those cultures didn't
really have a ton of interplay

904
00:57:21,500 --> 00:57:25,600
at least, then I think, But you
know, his ideas.

905
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,100
Well, there's a demonic reality,
a spiritual reality.

906
00:57:28,100 --> 00:57:32,700
That's manifesting himself to
people, and it's worshiped. and

907
00:57:32,700 --> 00:57:37,300
so then, then it's more of a
sort of a battle of, like, okay,

908
00:57:37,300 --> 00:57:40,400
well we haven't gone, but
there's all these sort of demons

909
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:45,800
that get worshiped as God and
Um, they come back.

910
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,800
So, his theory is that before
Jesus came.

911
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,600
The world was full of the
worship of the humans was

912
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,300
possessed, basically oppressed,
at least by them.

913
00:57:57,300 --> 00:57:59,300
The Lord comes, he cleanses the
Earth.

914
00:58:00,300 --> 00:58:02,400
And Christianity, spreads like
wildfire.

915
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:07,700
Um, but the demons aren't gone
such things.

916
00:58:07,700 --> 00:58:11,000
Don't just disappear.
They just for the moment, don't

917
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,900
have power over the world, but
then there's a parable, I think

918
00:58:14,908 --> 00:58:18,500
it's in Matthew 7, Matthew 14,
I'm not, I don't remember, but

919
00:58:18,500 --> 00:58:22,400
of a man who is possessed of a
demon And it gets cast out of

920
00:58:22,408 --> 00:58:24,700
him and it goes and wanders in
the wilderness.

921
00:58:25,700 --> 00:58:29,300
And then comes back and finds
the man's mind.

922
00:58:29,300 --> 00:58:35,000
And Goes and gets seven other
demons worth itself and they all

923
00:58:35,008 --> 00:58:37,600
possess the man together and
he's worse than before he was

924
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:42,300
ever cleansed.
And so the sort of the answer is

925
00:58:42,300 --> 00:58:46,800
you're going to serve somebody.
That's a Bob Dylan song but it's

926
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,500
true.
You Gotta Serve Somebody and

927
00:58:49,500 --> 00:58:54,500
you're going to be possessed
while did you just really quote,

928
00:58:54,500 --> 00:58:56,100
Bob Dylan on the Mormon
Renegade?

929
00:58:56,100 --> 00:58:59,600
I did amazing and awesome, good
for you.

930
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,100
You found respect for Zoe.
That was awesome.

931
00:59:03,100 --> 00:59:06,200
All right.
Sorry, I just keep that up and

932
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:07,600
call a timeout.
That was amazing.

933
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:12,200
All right.
Yeah, it might be the devil and

934
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:13,700
it might be lower But You Gotta
Serve Somebody right?

935
00:59:13,700 --> 00:59:20,500
And so, The idea is that you
have to be filled with some

936
00:59:20,500 --> 00:59:22,900
spirit.
And you're going to be filled

937
00:59:22,900 --> 00:59:24,800
with the spirit of the Lord, or
you're going to be filled with

938
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,400
Spirit of one of these, other
Spiritual Beings, who are not as

939
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:36,200
nice as he is. and when you have
so his sort of thesis is that As

940
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,500
the world has rejected the
gospel, they've opened

941
00:59:39,500 --> 00:59:44,200
themselves up to these ancient.
demons who've come back, a lot

942
00:59:44,207 --> 00:59:48,100
of the Evils.
We see in the world today are

943
00:59:48,100 --> 00:59:53,100
really, it's really just the
worship of Ishtar and while and

944
00:59:53,100 --> 00:59:55,800
mollusk.
Come back again.

945
00:59:56,900 --> 01:00:00,200
Couldn't agree with you more.
I have made the statement on

946
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:04,200
this podcast several times.
We still worship these Gods as a

947
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,200
society.
Let's not, let's not mince

948
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:07,800
words.
Here, the only thing that's

949
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,800
changed is that it's been
repackaged for modern

950
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:15,900
consumption.
And so the the the priests of

951
01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:18,500
molec, now all they've done is
swap out, their red robes for

952
01:00:18,500 --> 01:00:20,400
white lab coats and Planned
Parenthood.

953
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,600
That's it.
That's the difference.

954
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:26,400
And that is that's such an
important point to realize

955
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:30,500
because if you can name and
identify the ancient evil that's

956
01:00:30,500 --> 01:00:34,100
happening here, You have a
better shot of being able to

957
01:00:34,100 --> 01:00:39,200
decipher the messages, which are
so that goes so easily to co-opt

958
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,200
people into it.
I'm sorry to interrupt, you

959
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,000
know, that's completely true.
And that's the thing is the

960
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,800
devil's, very cunning he will
package his message and whatever

961
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,900
way is Best for you to take it
in my brother, served his

962
01:00:50,900 --> 01:00:54,500
mission and Sara Lee on Africa.
And he still sees all that

963
01:00:54,500 --> 01:00:57,700
witchcraft possession that we
read about in the Bible over

964
01:00:57,700 --> 01:01:01,100
there because they'll accept
that over there and they won't

965
01:01:01,100 --> 01:01:03,400
completely rejected out of
handle over there.

966
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:07,600
But we live in a secular world
that is going more and more

967
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:11,000
atheist.
I'm not gonna stay and so the

968
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:12,400
double housework in a different
way, right?

969
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,300
And he doesn't care.
He doesn't care if you say you

970
01:01:15,300 --> 01:01:17,000
believe in him and the greatest
lie.

971
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:18,900
Right?
That'll ever.

972
01:01:18,900 --> 01:01:21,100
Make people believe is that he
didn't exist.

973
01:01:21,100 --> 01:01:29,400
Yeah and I think that's irritate
you but it's very true again.

974
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,200
He doesn't care if you say you
believe in the dollar or not.

975
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:37,400
I don't, I don't know him.
But we and it's been this way

976
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,700
from the very beginning and for
some reason, we've forgotten,

977
01:01:39,700 --> 01:01:43,300
you know, we wrestle not against
flesh and blood but against the

978
01:01:43,300 --> 01:01:46,900
principalities and powers of the
era and against spiritual

979
01:01:46,900 --> 01:01:49,600
wickedness, in high places, it's
been the same.

980
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:53,000
We do not change and this battle
does not change.

981
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,400
We just think we're so much
better than the people back,

982
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:59,800
then we would never worship.
Molec, you never worship Ishtar.

983
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,600
Oh, so Pagan and primitive like,
well.

984
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:08,900
Perhaps, but in a different way.
So go basically let me sorry

985
01:02:08,900 --> 01:02:15,500
important because Ishtar or
ashrae the queen of heaven

986
01:02:15,500 --> 01:02:18,000
Israel.
There's a whole bunch of names.

987
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:28,200
Is.
She she gets power from the

988
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,100
combining of things and the
breaking down a dissolution of

989
01:02:31,107 --> 01:02:34,500
boundaries.
She's often first.

990
01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:40,500
She's often portrayed as a
hermaphrodite of source with

991
01:02:40,500 --> 01:02:46,200
like breasts out of penis.
And so, I refused to believe

992
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:53,500
that my God is like that. my God
is a god of separations and it's

993
01:02:53,500 --> 01:02:57,000
very clear and I had a
restoration to our conference

994
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,900
talk on this.
So if you want to hear me, good

995
01:02:59,900 --> 01:03:02,900
recommend if you do it, if you
wait.

996
01:03:02,900 --> 01:03:05,200
What's that?
So is the restoration tour

997
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:06,300
conference?
When is that this year?

998
01:03:06,300 --> 01:03:09,400
When does that come up?
That's a good question.

999
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,300
I believe it is a 22nd and 23rd
of May.

1000
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:15,300
Oh, so that's coming up in just
a few months.

1001
01:03:15,300 --> 01:03:18,500
It is.
Can people attend virtually?

1002
01:03:18,500 --> 01:03:20,800
They can?
Oh, you gonna turn it?

1003
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:24,100
Well, you should go to
Restoration tomorrow

1004
01:03:24,100 --> 01:03:26,900
conference.org and see what's
there.

1005
01:03:26,900 --> 01:03:28,300
I don't know if it's been
updated this year.

1006
01:03:28,300 --> 01:03:29,800
My father might not be too
happy.

1007
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,000
I'm directing people to a
website out of date.

1008
01:03:33,100 --> 01:03:37,500
And you got the Shameless plug
in there.

1009
01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:40,900
She was.
Playing.

1010
01:03:40,908 --> 01:03:45,100
I need to take it out later.
I will so good. but what I'm

1011
01:03:45,100 --> 01:03:47,400
saying is it's more that we can
get into, but I did have a talk

1012
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:53,100
on it about Ishtar and the
modern worship of Ishtar and the

1013
01:03:53,100 --> 01:03:54,700
idea of Jehovah as a god of
separation.

1014
01:03:56,100 --> 01:03:59,800
Um anyway, sounds like a podcast
so and that's good.

1015
01:03:59,808 --> 01:04:04,000
I recommend I listen to it.
So yeah, it sounds like a future

1016
01:04:04,008 --> 01:04:06,000
podcast.
If you're not, I would love this

1017
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,200
song.
I'm very care about.

1018
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:11,200
So this is me saying that when
God creates men and women in His

1019
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:15,100
image, it's not because he has
both of them combined.

1020
01:04:15,100 --> 01:04:18,400
It's because there are two
beings that are jointly God.

1021
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:23,000
Yeah.
Um, yeah, and I want to I've

1022
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,600
been well, here you read that
and then I'm Gonna Come Back To

1023
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:26,900
The Ether because it's something
else.

1024
01:04:26,900 --> 01:04:28,000
Cool.
Yeah.

1025
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:34,700
Just with Anna's image, you find
that in Genesis one verse 27.

1026
01:04:34,700 --> 01:04:38,000
You also find in Moses and
Abraham, it's basically the same

1027
01:04:38,008 --> 01:04:41,500
verse, just a different chapter.
Number four Abraham.

1028
01:04:41,500 --> 01:04:43,400
And it's like one off from
Moses.

1029
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,700
I think it's so God created, man
in his own image and in the

1030
01:04:46,707 --> 01:04:49,400
image of God created.
He him melon female created, he

1031
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:53,800
them and if I remember
correctly, I am not a Hebrew

1032
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,700
scholar.
I just talked to those who are,

1033
01:04:55,700 --> 01:05:00,000
but the word for image, there is
a physical thing.

1034
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,500
It's not just this idea that's
out there.

1035
01:05:03,508 --> 01:05:09,500
It is a physical image.
Yeah, and in this, there is so

1036
01:05:09,500 --> 01:05:12,300
in this idea of being made in
the image of God, right?

1037
01:05:12,300 --> 01:05:17,000
That lends differently to the
body and it also lends dignity

1038
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,600
to the sort of separation of men
and women and how they're both

1039
01:05:20,607 --> 01:05:24,400
created in the image of God, the
violently ordained and it was

1040
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:28,600
like that in the garden.
Right, right in a state of

1041
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:33,600
perfection, there was still this
sort of dichotomy and right.

1042
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,300
It was good.
Yeah.

1043
01:05:37,100 --> 01:05:41,300
Yep.
And so, Then I guess the other

1044
01:05:41,300 --> 01:05:45,500
thing which is amazing to me is
that and we're going to get into

1045
01:05:45,500 --> 01:05:49,300
a minute, get into sort of the
scriptures around the literal

1046
01:05:49,300 --> 01:05:57,100
childhood of us. but, this is
from ether 3:13 um, said and

1047
01:05:57,100 --> 01:06:00,900
when he had said these words
that brother of Jared The hold

1048
01:06:00,900 --> 01:06:02,900
the Lord, showed himself, onto
him and said, behold, because

1049
01:06:02,900 --> 01:06:05,900
now was these things, y'all
redeemed from the fall.

1050
01:06:05,900 --> 01:06:09,300
Therefore, he brought back into
my presence, therefore I show

1051
01:06:09,300 --> 01:06:12,500
myself on TV.
So, this is something that I

1052
01:06:12,500 --> 01:06:19,300
care so much about, because In.
There's there's this idea in

1053
01:06:19,300 --> 01:06:24,100
Aristotle's Poetics.
Which is basically his how to

1054
01:06:24,107 --> 01:06:31,200
write a play. 101 manual by
Aristotle. and he talks about,

1055
01:06:32,300 --> 01:07:03,700
um, in an intragovernmental.
but, He says that one of the one

1056
01:07:03,700 --> 01:07:06,500
of the two things you could have
sort of Pinnacle of the

1057
01:07:06,500 --> 01:07:11,400
emotional build of this is
what's called anarchists.

1058
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:16,400
And it's a moment of
recognition. um, And one of the

1059
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:21,900
way where in a moment, you go
from ignorance to knowledge, and

1060
01:07:21,900 --> 01:07:25,400
your sort of eyes are open.
So, one of the classic example

1061
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:30,400
of this in Greek culture is of
Oedipus, when he realizes what's

1062
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:34,400
happened, it's the emotional
climax of the story and it's a

1063
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:38,800
moment of really recognizing Um
a good really good example for

1064
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:43,400
the Bible is of in Luke, like 24
with the men on the road to

1065
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:48,100
Emmaus. and Christ comes and he
talks to them and they're just

1066
01:07:48,100 --> 01:07:52,100
build up of the story and then
they realize it's him and he

1067
01:07:52,100 --> 01:07:59,600
leaves Um, there's a very sort
of Greek Framing and recently,

1068
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:04,500
I've developed more of a respect
for the Greek culture, because I

1069
01:08:04,500 --> 01:08:07,300
think a lot of a lot of times
like, oh well, the Greeks and

1070
01:08:07,300 --> 01:08:08,900
the Romans were in the church or
whatever.

1071
01:08:08,900 --> 01:08:13,400
But also like ancient Greece was
much closer to ancient Israel

1072
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:17,399
than we are now.
The cultures are much closer and

1073
01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:20,300
so I've come to find a lot of
wisdom.

1074
01:08:20,300 --> 01:08:22,800
And so there's this idea.
Another really good example is

1075
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,100
with Joseph and his brothers
Right.

1076
01:08:25,100 --> 01:08:28,500
Well, they really realize that
it's their brother in front of

1077
01:08:28,500 --> 01:08:30,700
them.
And so this is what each other

1078
01:08:30,700 --> 01:08:34,200
has with the Lord.
So I never knew you had a body.

1079
01:08:35,100 --> 01:08:37,000
Sees the Lord.
He's like, oh my gosh, and then

1080
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:38,700
it reframes.
Everything else.

1081
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:43,100
Right?
And then you realize that like

1082
01:08:43,100 --> 01:08:47,399
what Joseph's brothers they go
and instant from being these

1083
01:08:47,399 --> 01:08:52,200
recorded, you know Canaanite men
who have stolen from the second

1084
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:55,399
in command to pharaoh and
probably deserve to die, to the

1085
01:08:55,399 --> 01:08:59,000
brothers, all the second command
of pharaoh and therefore, they

1086
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:06,899
have the right to call on him.
Right. and so, when we realize,

1087
01:09:07,899 --> 01:09:11,300
Who God is?
when we realized the fact that

1088
01:09:11,300 --> 01:09:16,700
we are, literally his children
Then that is salvation because

1089
01:09:16,700 --> 01:09:20,700
now we realize that we have the
right to relationship with him.

1090
01:09:20,700 --> 01:09:23,899
We have the right, his
protection and his Mercy we're

1091
01:09:23,899 --> 01:09:26,399
not just some random Little
Creations or his children.

1092
01:09:27,100 --> 01:09:29,700
And this obligations that go
along with that and it gives us

1093
01:09:29,700 --> 01:09:32,000
dignity and it gives our
relationship with him Daniel and

1094
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:36,500
it changes everything.
So I think we should probably

1095
01:09:36,500 --> 01:09:37,899
roll into the.
Yeah.

1096
01:09:37,899 --> 01:09:42,800
So versus that go with how we
are literal children of God, we

1097
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:49,300
have at 17 verse 20 29.
It says for in him we live and

1098
01:09:49,300 --> 01:09:51,200
move and have her being as
certain.

1099
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:54,800
Also of your poets have said,
for we are also his offspring

1100
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,800
for as much.
Then as we are The Offspring of

1101
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,800
God, we ought not to think that
the godhead is like unto gold or

1102
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,100
silver or stone Graven by Art
romance device.

1103
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,100
Offspring, there is awesome in
the Greek.

1104
01:10:07,100 --> 01:10:10,600
It is like literal childhood.
It's not because people like to

1105
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,800
sometimes make this out to be
like, oh no, he's talking

1106
01:10:12,808 --> 01:10:16,700
figuratively or just
spiritually, but it's associated

1107
01:10:16,700 --> 01:10:20,800
with, like, actually being born
and being the literal physical.

1108
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:29,900
Children of somebody.
Um, we also have Romans 8:16 And

1109
01:10:29,900 --> 01:10:33,200
17 where it says, a spirit
itself, beareth witness, with

1110
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:36,400
our spirit that we are the
children of God and if children

1111
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:39,000
then heirs Heirs of God and
Joint heirs with Christ.

1112
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:43,000
If so be that we suffer with
him, that we also that we may be

1113
01:10:43,008 --> 01:10:45,800
also glorified together.
You want to read?

1114
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:47,300
Oh yes.
Oh, hold on.

1115
01:10:47,308 --> 01:10:48,000
Let me see.
Yeah.

1116
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:53,700
Um, from the Romans 8.
Well, where's the adoption?

1117
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:57,700
Sorry, I'm trying to find.
Oh, you're good.

1118
01:10:57,700 --> 01:11:07,200
You're just fine. there's a,
there's a verse and Romance 18.

1119
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:12,300
um, talking about I mean, oh
eight.

1120
01:11:12,300 --> 01:11:14,400
Sorry, Romans 8.
Is it the Romans 18?

1121
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:24,500
um, that we get the the spirit
of adoption by by which we cry.

1122
01:11:24,500 --> 01:11:30,300
Abba Father and I'm Braxton
talked about this on his

1123
01:11:30,300 --> 01:11:34,200
restoration podcast and I want
to read it again what he said

1124
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,500
which is this is from Systematic
Theology.

1125
01:11:36,500 --> 01:11:40,300
But it says when You speak of
adoption.

1126
01:11:40,300 --> 01:11:45,700
It's a legal process.
Well, now, You only gonna adopt

1127
01:11:45,700 --> 01:11:48,100
it if you're not a child?
Yeah.

1128
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,500
But in this time, in in Roman
culture, right?

1129
01:11:52,500 --> 01:11:55,900
This is to the Romans.
It was.

1130
01:11:56,900 --> 01:11:59,400
A sort of claiming of a child
that was already yours.

1131
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:03,000
Maybe you have, you know,
children with a bunch of women

1132
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,300
and some of them are slaves and
some of them are concubines.

1133
01:12:05,300 --> 01:12:10,200
But there's this legal process
of saying, this is a child.

1134
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:13,300
This is a son of mine or
daughter mine that I want to

1135
01:12:13,300 --> 01:12:17,500
inherit.
To inherit my position, my

1136
01:12:17,500 --> 01:12:23,000
power, my, you know, wealth, and
so in, this is this is true

1137
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:27,300
because we go from being
children to children who stand

1138
01:12:27,300 --> 01:12:31,100
to inherit the goodness and the
glory and the power of God.

1139
01:12:31,100 --> 01:12:34,500
Absolutely, which is the
promise, right?

1140
01:12:34,500 --> 01:12:38,700
Which is the whole reason for
for Christ Ministry is to bridge

1141
01:12:38,700 --> 01:12:43,300
that Gap so that we can have
that so that he can, he can

1142
01:12:43,300 --> 01:12:48,900
rectify The, the damage that has
been done in our lives.

1143
01:12:48,900 --> 01:12:52,100
I love that.
And I just think one more thing

1144
01:12:52,100 --> 01:12:56,400
is it.
One thing that the restoration

1145
01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:00,500
specifically, bring your mind, I
guess gets Flack from Six.

1146
01:13:00,500 --> 01:13:03,200
Flag from, from Christianity, is
the idea that we are like God

1147
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:06,200
and we can become Gods.
That's her radical.

1148
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:10,900
But even though it's found in
the Psalms, well, look at that.

1149
01:13:10,900 --> 01:13:14,800
I just you are literally the,
the sons of God, right?

1150
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:21,500
But it makes sense because again
literal childhood, I am going to

1151
01:13:21,508 --> 01:13:26,600
grow up and I'm gonna be like,
my father, And if I'm not going

1152
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:28,700
to be like my father,
something's wrong and I'm not

1153
01:13:28,700 --> 01:13:32,000
actually his child.
We have the children of God and

1154
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:33,900
we're what are the children do
that girl?

1155
01:13:33,900 --> 01:13:34,800
And they'd be like their
parents.

1156
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,200
I want to grow up and be like,
my parents and I get big

1157
01:13:40,900 --> 01:13:44,300
Absolutely, I couldn't that it
it's such an important thing,

1158
01:13:44,300 --> 01:13:45,800
right?
And, and this is one of those

1159
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:49,200
things where I'm gonna make a
categorical statement.

1160
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:51,700
I'm gonna get spicy now and I am
anticipate the hate mail.

1161
01:13:52,500 --> 01:13:55,600
Come from some of our sectarian
brothers and sisters here but

1162
01:13:55,600 --> 01:14:01,200
you cannot fully understand
Jesus or his mission without

1163
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:04,000
understanding the Divine
parentage from where we all come

1164
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:07,200
from.
You cannot understand the scope

1165
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:10,900
of love that exists.
Without it.

1166
01:14:10,900 --> 01:14:14,500
I don't think we fully can
understand it anyway, but you

1167
01:14:14,500 --> 01:14:17,500
can get a heck of a lot closer.
If you recognize the familiar

1168
01:14:17,500 --> 01:14:21,300
ties and bonds that, make that a
thing.

1169
01:14:22,100 --> 01:14:24,300
Yeah, this is the first
principle of the Gospel to know

1170
01:14:24,308 --> 01:14:26,900
the nature and character of God.
Joseph Smith.

1171
01:14:26,900 --> 01:14:29,900
Yeah, it's pretty interesting
because Jesus says the same

1172
01:14:29,907 --> 01:14:31,400
thing in John, right?
This is life.

1173
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,300
Eternal to know know me the only
true God.

1174
01:14:34,300 --> 01:14:35,200
Yeah.
And Jesus Christ.

1175
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:36,400
And Jesus Christ.
Yep.

1176
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:38,000
Yep.
Okay, you want to read from

1177
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,400
Psalms yeah.
So Psalm 82 6.

1178
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:43,400
Um, which I think if I remember,
right Christ?

1179
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:46,300
Quote, because like Pharisees
and or Sadducees mad at him

1180
01:14:46,308 --> 01:14:47,800
because in Mark.
But yeah.

1181
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:51,800
I have said, year gods, and all
of you are children of the most

1182
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:57,200
high Um, Elias are snow, said a
lot of things along these lines

1183
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:59,700
too when she was talking to the
woman of the Relief Society,

1184
01:14:59,700 --> 01:15:04,200
she's like constantly trying to
get this into their heads of and

1185
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,000
looking upon my sister's, I see
the daughters of Eve and we

1186
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,900
possessed The Germ of becoming
Queen's in the Eternal Worlds.

1187
01:15:09,900 --> 01:15:12,900
We should all remember that we
are Daughters of the most high

1188
01:15:12,900 --> 01:15:14,900
and should Endeavor to honor
that calling.

1189
01:15:14,900 --> 01:15:19,400
And I, I think it's all so worth
talking about, just the way

1190
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:23,800
Society has changed.
So it's Foundation drastically.

1191
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:31,200
So when it started, It was sort
of semi-autonomous like 90, but

1192
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:34,000
the relief society and its, oh,
well, we, you know, make meals

1193
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,100
for this sick people.
And we have little cute events

1194
01:15:36,100 --> 01:15:40,000
and maybe we have like, a prayer
list or whatever, and it was

1195
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:46,800
very much different again, over
time the power of so much has

1196
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:50,400
been the so much so many facets
of the church have just been

1197
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,500
shaved down and short of their
Glory.

1198
01:15:53,300 --> 01:15:56,300
So, even the idea of literal
kingdom of God, right?

1199
01:15:56,300 --> 01:15:58,200
We're gonna build a king of God
on the earth.

1200
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:01,700
It's gonna be a physical
political entity of the sort of

1201
01:16:01,700 --> 01:16:07,900
counsel, 50, whose job is to
Establish the kingdom of God and

1202
01:16:07,900 --> 01:16:12,900
nobody talks about that.
I just and people don't

1203
01:16:12,900 --> 01:16:17,500
understand, is that those things
are inseparable. the spiritual

1204
01:16:17,500 --> 01:16:22,800
is the political and vice versa,
and This is the sort of thing

1205
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,600
with at least Society of it is
nothing like it used to be.

1206
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,800
Yeah, so the relief society,
when I was set up by Joseph

1207
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:32,000
Smith one, you actually have to
apply to get into it.

1208
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,600
You had to have two women within
the release of societies, speak

1209
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,700
on your behalf and part of that
was to make sure everyone was

1210
01:16:37,700 --> 01:16:42,000
kind of on the same page with it
and was actually committed.

1211
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:47,600
And it was I want to make sure I
phrase this correctly because

1212
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:51,100
what I'm about to say can be
misinterpreted and I don't want

1213
01:16:51,100 --> 01:16:56,500
to be misinterpreted It is set
up Joseph Smith set up the

1214
01:16:56,500 --> 01:17:00,100
Relief Society.
In the same way, he set up the

1215
01:17:00,100 --> 01:17:02,000
priesthood.
He says something along those

1216
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:06,400
lines.
The Release Society is to help

1217
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:09,300
aid.
The bishop Eliza has no talks

1218
01:17:09,300 --> 01:17:13,100
about that.
A lot of how the Bishops kind of

1219
01:17:13,100 --> 01:17:15,400
like the father over the ward in
a sense.

1220
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:18,300
And so the Relief Society is to
come and help with that, but

1221
01:17:18,300 --> 01:17:20,600
it's supposed to be more than
that as well.

1222
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:24,000
And where the men have
priesthood, the women have the

1223
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,800
relief society and there's a
quote that's often.

1224
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:33,500
Quoted as Joseph Smith turned
the keys for the relief society

1225
01:17:33,500 --> 01:17:37,700
in the original minute, for the
navi release anxiety.

1226
01:17:37,700 --> 01:17:41,400
It says that Joseph Smith turned
the keys to the Relief Society.

1227
01:17:41,900 --> 01:17:47,700
For them to start it and run it.
Um they were also it was put

1228
01:17:47,700 --> 01:17:51,900
forward that they have offices
the same way that the priesthood

1229
01:17:51,900 --> 01:17:56,900
has offices though.
They did have its talked about a

1230
01:17:56,900 --> 01:17:58,200
lot.
It isn't really explained but

1231
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:00,900
like you can kind of get it from
Context Clues in the lines are

1232
01:18:00,900 --> 01:18:03,100
snows writings when she's
talking to the Relief Society,

1233
01:18:03,100 --> 01:18:08,100
they did have an office of
teacher which was, yes, you go

1234
01:18:08,108 --> 01:18:10,200
and preach the gospel.
This is awesome like the minor

1235
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,800
ministering sisters that you'll
see where you go, and you help

1236
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:14,800
take care of the people.
You help with births, you help

1237
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,800
with things like that and those
women were awesome.

1238
01:18:20,700 --> 01:18:23,500
The woman were highly called
upon if you were within the

1239
01:18:23,500 --> 01:18:26,200
relief society and then,
especially if you were within

1240
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,100
this calling of teacher in their
religious Society to give

1241
01:18:29,100 --> 01:18:33,100
blessings because women do have
access to God.

1242
01:18:33,100 --> 01:18:38,700
So, confinement blessings, which
confinement blessings is

1243
01:18:38,700 --> 01:18:41,600
basically to my understanding,
I'm still trying to find more

1244
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:45,400
sources on it because it's kind
of hard to find stuff on but

1245
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:48,600
it's basically the blessing that
you give a lot that a woman

1246
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:53,100
Washington right before birth.
Priorities also called a

1247
01:18:53,100 --> 01:18:54,000
mother's blessing.
Yeah.

1248
01:18:55,000 --> 01:19:01,100
And heard some other names for
it too. so, I'm You mind if I

1249
01:19:01,100 --> 01:19:06,200
share a story real quick.
Absolutely. um, My wife Tanya

1250
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:11,400
that we just had a baby when she
came into the family.

1251
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:15,200
She said before she came in, I
should say when we were

1252
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:19,300
recording Um, I'll never forget
the conversation.

1253
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:26,500
Where we were coming from?
we were in the truck and She

1254
01:19:26,500 --> 01:19:30,200
said you probably need to know.
That.

1255
01:19:31,500 --> 01:19:36,000
Doctors many multiple Dockers
have told me that I won't be

1256
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:39,800
able to have children.
There's some stuff there going

1257
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:42,800
on.
And I said it, it's okay.

1258
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:46,100
I understand.
And she said, According to the

1259
01:19:46,108 --> 01:19:49,800
doctors I can't even get
pregnant and I'm like, I still

1260
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:51,700
love you.
I still want you it.

1261
01:19:51,700 --> 01:19:55,300
None of that.
While it would be nice.

1262
01:19:55,300 --> 01:19:59,000
And I'd be blessed.
I'm, I'm worried about having

1263
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:04,700
you is what I said.
And so to our surprise, she got

1264
01:20:04,700 --> 01:20:06,900
pregnant.
She miscarried.

1265
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,200
And we ended up having about
three or four miscarriages.

1266
01:20:11,700 --> 01:20:17,800
And when we got to to Missouri
here, we find out about Mother's

1267
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:25,800
blessings. and, This last time.
We pulled out every single stop

1268
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,500
and there were some other things
that went along with this, but I

1269
01:20:28,500 --> 01:20:32,100
want to, I want to say this.
She received a mother's

1270
01:20:32,100 --> 01:20:35,300
blessing.
And her sister wife was, was

1271
01:20:35,300 --> 01:20:39,900
there for that, and really
participated in that. and this

1272
01:20:39,900 --> 01:20:48,300
time we got through it, this
time, we had a kid and, Again, I

1273
01:20:48,300 --> 01:20:51,800
go back to many of the questions
that are asked in the LDS

1274
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:54,600
church.
Now concerning the role of women

1275
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,600
and priesthood and the divine
feminine.

1276
01:20:58,700 --> 01:21:00,700
We are uniquely positioned to
answer.

1277
01:21:01,900 --> 01:21:04,000
You.
They may not like everything

1278
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,900
that goes along with it.
But nonetheless.

1279
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:12,800
It's 100% in the historical
record we you're absolutely

1280
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,500
correct.
We do have women who were

1281
01:21:15,500 --> 01:21:17,600
exercising, priesthood back in
the day.

1282
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:22,100
If I'm not mistaken early on one
of the things that that that you

1283
01:21:22,100 --> 01:21:26,500
ladies brought up here about
Mary Fielding Smith.

1284
01:21:26,500 --> 01:21:29,400
If I'm not mistaken, I'd have to
go back and look at the record.

1285
01:21:29,407 --> 01:21:32,700
You might have better record
than I do, but I think there was

1286
01:21:32,700 --> 01:21:36,900
priesthood that she exercised
and that and getting that ox and

1287
01:21:36,907 --> 01:21:40,200
up, she anointed it and laid
hands on his head.

1288
01:21:41,100 --> 01:21:42,900
According to a woman of Mormon
dumb.

1289
01:21:42,900 --> 01:21:44,700
She went and got another man to
do that.

1290
01:21:44,700 --> 01:21:47,800
Oh, okay, did she okay?
Yeah.

1291
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:49,500
So pretty should was involved,
okay?

1292
01:21:49,500 --> 01:21:52,700
Yeah.
Right into the woman, though.

1293
01:21:52,700 --> 01:21:54,700
I don't know if there's other
sources or something else, it's

1294
01:21:54,700 --> 01:21:59,500
entirely possible, but you do
have this is from this person's

1295
01:21:59,500 --> 01:22:04,800
Eliza snow.
She's talking to a Relief

1296
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:09,000
Society somewhere.
Um, Salt Lake City 20th, Ward

1297
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:13,800
released Society, June 3rd 1869.
And she's been talking for a

1298
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:17,200
while now about women.
Like, this is part of your duty.

1299
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:20,800
This is your role to bless the
woman and children in your life

1300
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:25,600
and she says and the notes, it
says, when sister's not was

1301
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,900
asking the sisters to impart
anything of utility to the

1302
01:22:27,900 --> 01:22:29,400
sisters, that all might be
benefited.

1303
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:33,300
She thought if she spoke she
would relate an incident which

1304
01:22:33,300 --> 01:22:36,700
occurred with her when with her
when her first son was about six

1305
01:22:36,700 --> 01:22:39,500
weeks old.
He was taken very sick one day

1306
01:22:39,508 --> 01:22:41,600
the Prophet Joseph came in he
told her.

1307
01:22:42,500 --> 01:22:47,500
Sorry, I thought you were saying
oh neither. um He was taken very

1308
01:22:47,500 --> 01:22:49,400
sick.
One day the Prophet Joseph came

1309
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:52,500
in he told her to bathe the
child and anoint it with oil and

1310
01:22:52,500 --> 01:22:55,600
administered to it and he would
get well she had always followed

1311
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,500
that course since and found it
always to be good.

1312
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:02,300
And what was the name of that
woman?

1313
01:23:03,100 --> 01:23:05,700
That was a lizard snow.
He did that talking to the

1314
01:23:05,700 --> 01:23:09,200
relief Societies in 1869.
Yeah, yep.

1315
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:12,400
Um, there's also teaching from
Prophet Joseph Smith talks about

1316
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,000
how there was an argument that
happened.

1317
01:23:17,300 --> 01:23:21,900
I can't remember what meeting in
but it revolved around can women

1318
01:23:21,900 --> 01:23:25,000
give healing blessings is that
allowed and he was like well,

1319
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:29,100
yeah, like if God's healing them
obviously they're okay with it.

1320
01:23:29,100 --> 01:23:32,500
There's no there's no more sin
and a woman or her hands upon

1321
01:23:32,500 --> 01:23:35,400
her child's head.
Then it is to wash with water.

1322
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:41,300
Absolutely.
So this is again it's there.

1323
01:23:41,300 --> 01:23:45,400
And so when there you know,
there's a lot of discourse now

1324
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:49,300
around oh women's priesthood and
you know the church he doesn't

1325
01:23:49,300 --> 01:23:52,300
doesn't or Dan women and so it's
so awful and women don't have

1326
01:23:52,300 --> 01:23:56,400
the priest and that's so awful.
I was like well, Well, I just

1327
01:23:56,407 --> 01:23:59,800
have a different role within the
priesthood and the power of God

1328
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:02,000
and it depends on how you're
defining Priestess.

1329
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:05,100
This is also obviously Temple,
you know, Temple work when

1330
01:24:05,100 --> 01:24:07,300
inspiration within the temple
and specially.

1331
01:24:07,300 --> 01:24:13,000
I guess it's a higher levels but
it's there.

1332
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:16,700
It's all already there.
We don't need to reform it.

1333
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:22,800
Just gotta go back, right?
And the other thing is, I had

1334
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:27,800
deep sympathy and I understand
for the people who Try to do the

1335
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:31,000
sort of heavenly mother stuff
now and they want the witness to

1336
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:36,500
because it's very valid longing
because it is there, it's true

1337
01:24:36,500 --> 01:24:40,700
it's supposed to be there but
the problem is that in wandering

1338
01:24:40,700 --> 01:24:45,200
away from not understanding or
not knowing about the historical

1339
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:48,900
way.
People wandered a strange paths

1340
01:24:48,900 --> 01:24:56,500
on our loss. and, It is very
important to remember that men

1341
01:24:56,500 --> 01:24:59,900
and women are different.
We have different roles and that

1342
01:24:59,900 --> 01:25:03,500
is good.
There's a book that I read

1343
01:25:03,500 --> 01:25:05,900
recently that I love, I don't
agree with everything in it, but

1344
01:25:05,900 --> 01:25:08,600
a lot of it was really good.
And really helpful to me, I will

1345
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:11,800
slow down.
He called magnetic feminine

1346
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:18,400
femininity by Ali Doucette and
in it she says wear masculine,

1347
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:20,700
energy is leading feminine,
energy is following.

1348
01:25:20,700 --> 01:25:24,200
This was a very distressing
thing for me to come to terms

1349
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:26,900
with 10 years ago when I started
grappling with this because I

1350
01:25:26,900 --> 01:25:29,700
viewed myself as a leader.
When I prayed about it, I heard

1351
01:25:29,700 --> 01:25:32,100
you are the left hand.
I was making cookies.

1352
01:25:32,100 --> 01:25:35,800
At the time I saw that, my right
hand, my dominant hand was a

1353
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,300
masculine energy.
In this example, it was taking

1354
01:25:38,300 --> 01:25:41,200
the lead with stirring, but my
left hand was holding the ball.

1355
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:43,400
If I let go of the bowl, I
couldn't stir.

1356
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:46,300
And if I tried to hold the bowl
with my right hand and stir with

1357
01:25:46,300 --> 01:25:49,400
my left, the Sterling process
was unnecessarily, difficult and

1358
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:52,000
inconvenient.
It made the most sense to let my

1359
01:25:52,008 --> 01:25:55,500
right hand lead the process.
And my left hand follow, this

1360
01:25:55,500 --> 01:25:58,300
doesn't mean that my left hand
was less important, but the

1361
01:25:58,300 --> 01:26:00,800
masculine and feminine roles are
equally important, just

1362
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:03,000
different and function and
presentation being.

1363
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:07,000
The follower is not less than it
is just as important and perhaps

1364
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:09,700
even more important because
anyone can Lead.

1365
01:26:09,700 --> 01:26:13,400
But only if someone chooses to
follow them, the followers gets

1366
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:16,000
to choose who they will follow.
And if they do not want to hear

1367
01:26:16,008 --> 01:26:18,900
the cooperation one way or
another, the leadership will

1368
01:26:18,900 --> 01:26:21,500
fail.
Right, there's a great

1369
01:26:21,500 --> 01:26:23,700
personally disagree with the
more important comment.

1370
01:26:23,700 --> 01:26:26,400
I think both are important just
in different ways, right?

1371
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:29,800
I think there's a really lovely
quote that I don't have up.

1372
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:33,800
I didn't realize I would need
it, but about how the first

1373
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:36,600
follower takes the crazy guy
into a leader.

1374
01:26:38,300 --> 01:26:42,200
The transformation there.
Now, say that one more time, the

1375
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:45,500
first follower takes some random
crazy.

1376
01:26:45,500 --> 01:26:49,300
Dude.
To a leader Jane, right?

1377
01:26:49,300 --> 01:26:51,700
No, no, that's, that's kind of
true.

1378
01:26:51,700 --> 01:26:55,700
In fact, when Kind of a
different way, right?

1379
01:26:55,700 --> 01:26:59,700
I wouldn't say leader and stuff
but I remember Tanya said

1380
01:26:59,700 --> 01:27:02,900
something once.
To Amber that.

1381
01:27:02,900 --> 01:27:06,100
I just happened over here.
She's like, I'll forever be

1382
01:27:06,100 --> 01:27:08,800
grateful for you because I don't
have to housebreak David.

1383
01:27:10,500 --> 01:27:15,500
So it's it's some ways in some
ways Amber did.

1384
01:27:15,500 --> 01:27:18,800
Did that for work, right?
She was that first one who was

1385
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:22,500
like, I don't know what she saw.
All, I'll just say that.

1386
01:27:22,500 --> 01:27:25,100
Now, when Amber met me, my hair
was long, both my ears were

1387
01:27:25,100 --> 01:27:27,300
pierced.
I mean, I was, I was a little.

1388
01:27:27,308 --> 01:27:34,000
I was a little out there and
but, Zoe that, that quote

1389
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:35,700
actually makes a lot of sense,
right?

1390
01:27:35,700 --> 01:27:40,700
Um, I wouldn't be the guy that I
can be for Tanya without Amber

1391
01:27:40,700 --> 01:27:43,000
doing the really hard work
first, right?

1392
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:48,200
Um, But that's so true, that's
that's 100% true.

1393
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:51,600
Zoe I I just I couldn't help but
that that really seemed to

1394
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:56,200
resonate a lot.
And I think, the other sort of

1395
01:27:56,200 --> 01:28:03,900
part of it again, is You know,
the men have to be married in

1396
01:28:03,900 --> 01:28:09,600
order to be exalted, are are
exaltation, and the expectation

1397
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:13,500
of the men are tied up together.
And the way that the cannot be

1398
01:28:13,500 --> 01:28:21,200
disentangled, um, and and part
of that also is the sword of

1399
01:28:25,300 --> 01:28:30,300
the, I guess the choosing of it
because One of the one of the

1400
01:28:30,300 --> 01:28:33,200
ways I think that the discussion
around.

1401
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:36,800
Gender roles, and biblical,
gender roles.

1402
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:40,600
And all of that gets Perverted
is the idea that the women have

1403
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:44,800
to submit to the men?
Um, which is not true.

1404
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:49,800
The idea is you submit to your
husband, specifically, not just

1405
01:28:49,808 --> 01:28:57,400
men in general, so, as somebody
who values that, I'm not just

1406
01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:01,300
because you happen to be born.
A man does not mean you were

1407
01:29:01,300 --> 01:29:05,100
worthy of respect, does not mean
you're worthy of being followed,

1408
01:29:05,100 --> 01:29:07,700
does that mean you're worthy of
obedience or submission or any

1409
01:29:07,700 --> 01:29:09,300
of that?
I'm going to choose somebody.

1410
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:14,000
Who is a good enough, man, and
who is close enough to God as I

1411
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:17,200
say, okay, I trust you.
I respect you that.

1412
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:19,000
I would honor You by saying, all
right.

1413
01:29:19,900 --> 01:29:24,000
To you.
I will do these things and be

1414
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,600
these things and you're submit
or obey.

1415
01:29:27,700 --> 01:29:30,300
And not just to manage General
because that's awful.

1416
01:29:30,300 --> 01:29:33,800
I'm not going to manage General.
I'm sorry, but know that you

1417
01:29:33,808 --> 01:29:37,500
really should.
I think that all.

1418
01:29:37,500 --> 01:29:43,500
So With the proper understanding
and could reduce a lot of the

1419
01:29:43,500 --> 01:29:46,200
problems around that.
Because there are a lot of, you

1420
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:48,400
know, maybe sort of
relationships that are abusive.

1421
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:52,000
It's like, oh well, you know,
You're my woman, you have just

1422
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:54,700
like, no.
Like if we're married and you

1423
01:29:54,700 --> 01:29:56,200
shouldn't marry somebody unless
you're darn sure.

1424
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:01,900
That they're going to be. one of
the things I love so much about

1425
01:30:01,900 --> 01:30:07,900
that magnetic femininity but is
kind of the main point of it is

1426
01:30:07,900 --> 01:30:12,200
stepping into the feminine
energy means She doesn't like

1427
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:13,800
the word submission.
So she throws that out.

1428
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:15,800
And she only uses vulnerability
instead.

1429
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:20,800
Um, but a lot of what she talks
about is a good form of

1430
01:30:20,808 --> 01:30:25,200
submission, um but you're being
vulnerable with your husband or

1431
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:29,500
if you're single with God,
either way with God, but with

1432
01:30:29,500 --> 01:30:33,800
your husband, if you're married,
um, and you're trusting him and

1433
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:38,000
you're relying him with, on him
and a lot of things and to kind

1434
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:41,700
of surrender, some of that
control that woman sometimes

1435
01:30:41,700 --> 01:30:45,600
like the take and just trusting
her husband to lead and trusting

1436
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:48,300
God to lead.
And then at the end she goes

1437
01:30:48,300 --> 01:30:52,900
into this idea where she's like,
okay, it sounds a lot of the

1438
01:30:52,900 --> 01:30:56,400
times when women come in and
they are like, yeah, my husband

1439
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:59,500
is so narcissistic and he's so
this and he's so that he's so

1440
01:30:59,500 --> 01:31:01,700
controlling or whatever.
She's like, when you actually

1441
01:31:01,700 --> 01:31:04,500
start implementing these things,
it's usually because you've

1442
01:31:04,500 --> 01:31:07,700
taken on a masculine role and
you're creating this conflict

1443
01:31:07,700 --> 01:31:09,100
because you're trying to take
your husband's role.

1444
01:31:09,100 --> 01:31:11,700
And so, it's causing conflict.
And if you step Into your

1445
01:31:11,708 --> 01:31:14,200
feminine role.
Then it'll help balance those

1446
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:15,800
things out.
But she's like if you step into

1447
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:18,800
that role if you're being
vulnerable and these things and

1448
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:21,800
they're still an issue there and
there still is manipulation

1449
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:23,600
there.
Then you've shown that this

1450
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:28,900
isn't a good person to follow
and true femininity is stepping

1451
01:31:28,900 --> 01:31:32,600
away from that and going.
No, you don't stay with the

1452
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:36,300
abuse, you don't stay with the
toxic manipulation and I got

1453
01:31:36,300 --> 01:31:37,900
that.
Also just want to say that.

1454
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:46,200
Well.
I'm trying to find the words

1455
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:49,800
here.
That thing is, maybe that's the

1456
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:53,400
ideal but oftentimes people
don't talk about masculine ideal

1457
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:56,600
which is to love your bride as
Christ.

1458
01:31:56,600 --> 01:32:01,700
Loved the church two, your own
death to the laying down of your

1459
01:32:01,700 --> 01:32:04,600
own body for her Redemption.
Yeah.

1460
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:13,000
Um, and so and And within.
So if you say oh well, you're

1461
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:15,100
setting yourself up for massive
harm.

1462
01:32:15,100 --> 01:32:19,000
You're setting yourself up for
being abused and whatever I was

1463
01:32:19,008 --> 01:32:26,400
like, well that's the idea, not
being abused, you vulnerability

1464
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:29,300
is the ideal but the
corresponding mask, that idea is

1465
01:32:29,300 --> 01:32:33,100
the sword of self-sacrificial.
Love that Christ has for the

1466
01:32:33,108 --> 01:32:34,800
church.
And he also see this in the

1467
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:42,100
story of Hosea and Gomer.
Um, where he's willing to do

1468
01:32:42,100 --> 01:32:47,600
anything for you, buy redeem,
this woman and in a sort of

1469
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:49,200
system, we're both of those
things are true.

1470
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:52,400
Then you want to have heart.
Right.

1471
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:55,300
But trying to, but one of them
without the other.

1472
01:32:55,300 --> 01:32:57,800
Yeah, is setting yourself up for
heartbreak?

1473
01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:00,300
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.

1474
01:33:00,300 --> 01:33:05,000
You know and and here's I want
to unpack a few things, you said

1475
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:07,500
Michaela, but I want to make
make something here real.

1476
01:33:07,500 --> 01:33:14,300
Make a point here real quick.
Society and and I was born.

1477
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:17,000
Into kind of a weird time,
right?

1478
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,700
I was born in in 77, don't
laugh.

1479
01:33:19,700 --> 01:33:23,600
I'm almost got my AARP card.
I'm looking forward to this, but

1480
01:33:25,300 --> 01:33:28,600
there.
It was just.

1481
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:33,900
I was born just long enough ago
that I can remember life without

1482
01:33:33,900 --> 01:33:36,800
the internet, right?
And so, social media and cell

1483
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:39,400
phones, and all those things
yet, young enough that I figured

1484
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:43,100
out how to work at all.
But the one thing that I've been

1485
01:33:43,100 --> 01:33:50,100
able to notice is that we have
as of late, we have for some

1486
01:33:50,100 --> 01:33:52,700
reason really set men and women
against each other.

1487
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:59,400
And I have found that that is
absolutely one of the worst

1488
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:06,100
things that has ever happened to
Western Society. and, With with

1489
01:34:06,100 --> 01:34:10,400
things like being quoted as
toxic masculinity and those

1490
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:14,600
sorts of things.
And there be toxic masculinity

1491
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:17,400
100%.
I'm not saying that that thing

1492
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:20,800
doesn't exist, but I think we've
been too quick to label anything

1493
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:22,800
masculine as toxic.
Yeah.

1494
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:28,000
And what was Zoe pointed out
with being ready to die?

1495
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:32,600
I remember.
Um, as I'm sure everybody knows

1496
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:35,700
here, my dad passed away when I
was fairly young.

1497
01:34:35,700 --> 01:34:38,000
I was 13 and towards the end of
his life.

1498
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:41,600
I really think he understood
that he was not gonna be around

1499
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:44,500
much longer.
And so the whole summer before

1500
01:34:44,500 --> 01:34:49,200
he passed, and we had no idea
that he was really sick.

1501
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:53,000
He He made.
Sure I was with him.

1502
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:56,700
Always.
I mean, like, we were driving

1503
01:34:56,700 --> 01:35:00,400
everywhere together, and he was
just, I didn't realize it at the

1504
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:04,000
time.
Um I just figured the old man

1505
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:08,100
was maybe getting a little old
and was just started to ramble.

1506
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:12,300
Um but I think he he really had
a good idea, he was going to

1507
01:35:12,308 --> 01:35:14,400
pass and he was instilling
lessons.

1508
01:35:15,300 --> 01:35:19,200
And I remember, he told me he
once he said, if you take a

1509
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:23,900
woman, if you take a, a woman on
a date or you, you go somewhere

1510
01:35:23,900 --> 01:35:26,700
and she gets hurt on your watch,
you will answer to me.

1511
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:31,100
And it's something that and my
dad was, was a big guy.

1512
01:35:31,100 --> 01:35:33,100
Both of you have met me in
person.

1513
01:35:33,100 --> 01:35:36,400
I'm not small by any stretch of
the imagination, but my dad was

1514
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:38,200
a good six inches taller than I
am.

1515
01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:39,800
And that way Me by about 50
pounds.

1516
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:44,300
He was a big dude and instilled,
the fear of God in Me for sure.

1517
01:35:46,100 --> 01:35:49,600
but, Many of those traits that
are get labeled toxic.

1518
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:52,100
I don't think they're toxic.
I think they're just out of

1519
01:35:52,100 --> 01:35:53,100
control.
Yeah.

1520
01:35:53,100 --> 01:35:55,100
And you you have to be able to
do it.

1521
01:35:55,100 --> 01:35:57,100
You guys know who Jordan
Peterson is, right?

1522
01:35:57,100 --> 01:35:59,800
The psychologist.
He's got a great saying, which

1523
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:04,600
is As a man, you should be
dangerous and you should also

1524
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:07,500
have that very much under
control, and I believe that.

1525
01:36:07,500 --> 01:36:10,400
So, Michaela, I want to, I want
to unpack what you said here,

1526
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:11,700
because this kind of ties in
with it.

1527
01:36:12,700 --> 01:36:16,300
When you talk about, when you
use the word vulnerable for a

1528
01:36:16,300 --> 01:36:20,800
woman and in the context that
you did, let's define that a

1529
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:22,100
little bit.
What do you mean vulnerable?

1530
01:36:24,500 --> 01:36:30,000
Women are very feeling creatures
even when we don't want to be.

1531
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:36,800
and, So, we have to be willing
one.

1532
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:40,500
We're inherently vulnerable, we
are susceptible to risk.

1533
01:36:40,500 --> 01:36:46,800
Women are biologically weaker
than men like the strongest

1534
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:50,000
woman.
Isn't going to beat out the

1535
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:52,800
strongest man ever.
And a lot of men who even don't

1536
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:56,500
work out that much can beat most
women when it comes to physical

1537
01:36:56,500 --> 01:37:01,300
strength and a building.
Um so we're naturally vulnerable

1538
01:37:01,300 --> 01:37:05,300
in that I think also you just in
having children.

1539
01:37:05,300 --> 01:37:10,800
Yeah. so, in In having children
with somebody, you're putting

1540
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:16,200
yourself in a state of very much
vulnerability for at least a

1541
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:19,100
year and a half.
Yeah, you know, not much of a

1542
01:37:19,100 --> 01:37:22,100
padding see and then another
nine of postpartum and that

1543
01:37:22,100 --> 01:37:25,800
babies not gonna be done nursing
or, you know, needing formula in

1544
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:27,300
our modern world.
But historically, that wasn't an

1545
01:37:27,300 --> 01:37:31,200
option until they're, you know,
nine months or a year at least.

1546
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:36,400
And so it is, that is As
vulnerable as you can get.

1547
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:43,200
Yeah, we are very susceptible to
harm and to danger and it's part

1548
01:37:43,208 --> 01:37:48,700
of why women need men is because
men will protect women and we'll

1549
01:37:48,700 --> 01:37:52,100
keep us safe from.
But like there's been one who

1550
01:37:52,100 --> 01:37:57,800
have talked about, where Most if
not every woman has had an

1551
01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:01,700
experience where she has to walk
to her car in the dark alone and

1552
01:38:01,700 --> 01:38:04,900
she's terrified for her life
because you don't know maybe

1553
01:38:04,900 --> 01:38:07,000
nothing happens and nothing ever
happens.

1554
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:09,400
And that's great.
But there there's that

1555
01:38:09,400 --> 01:38:12,200
possibility and that risk
because we are physically

1556
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:15,500
vulnerable in that way.
But then, there's also, though,

1557
01:38:15,500 --> 01:38:19,000
we need to be emotionally
vulnerable, we are supposed to

1558
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:24,000
open up to the people in our
life, especially gone in her

1559
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:28,800
husband's and share our emotions
part of what the book that I

1560
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:34,700
talked about goes over is
magnetic femininity my Ali duet,

1561
01:38:34,700 --> 01:38:38,100
she talks a lot about how men
are biologically.

1562
01:38:39,900 --> 01:38:43,500
Ingrained that if a woman that
they love comes to them in their

1563
01:38:43,500 --> 01:38:45,800
life and goes, I need help with
this.

1564
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:50,200
The men want to solve it and
come forth with the solution and

1565
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:54,800
so As women, if we come
vulnerably with our feelings and

1566
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:58,800
we lay that out even though
that's scary, the men in our

1567
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:01,100
life will want to help us, but
you have to do.

1568
01:39:01,100 --> 01:39:05,300
So from actual emotion and
innocence and not manipulation.

1569
01:39:05,300 --> 01:39:07,800
Because you'll have a lot of
women who come with like the

1570
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:09,900
fake tears and stuff like that.
That's not vulnerability.

1571
01:39:09,900 --> 01:39:12,300
That's manipulation.
And it's not the same and it's

1572
01:39:12,300 --> 01:39:18,900
not good. but to open yourself
up to the possibility of being

1573
01:39:18,900 --> 01:39:22,800
hurt for the betterment of
yourself and your family and

1574
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:24,700
those around you.
Is good.

1575
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:30,000
Absolutely.
And there's there's a great

1576
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:33,900
there's a great little short
that I saw on Facebook a little

1577
01:39:33,907 --> 01:39:37,200
while ago and it is kind of true
when when Michaela you talked

1578
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:40,900
about coming with with sincere,
vulnerability.

1579
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:43,700
I want to say, guys, feel that
too.

1580
01:39:43,700 --> 01:39:50,700
We just Can't that down right?
We feel it.

1581
01:39:50,700 --> 01:39:54,400
I think we probably feel it.
Probably pretty similarly, but

1582
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:56,200
it's just not stuffed, dudes.
Talk about.

1583
01:39:56,200 --> 01:40:00,000
Um, but this one, this one
video.

1584
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:01,200
I was telling you about little
short.

1585
01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:06,800
Um, It says how men feel when
when their wives ask them to do

1586
01:40:06,808 --> 01:40:09,000
something that they can't.
And so it's just a woman

1587
01:40:09,008 --> 01:40:11,900
handling like a jar of pickles
to her husband and he likes

1588
01:40:11,900 --> 01:40:14,700
snaps it off and just kind of
leans his head back and just

1589
01:40:14,700 --> 01:40:17,700
flashes to every man, only thing
you could think of just in

1590
01:40:17,700 --> 01:40:20,100
order, right?
And but there's a lot of Truth

1591
01:40:20,100 --> 01:40:23,300
to that, right?
I mean, for for guys to be of

1592
01:40:23,300 --> 01:40:24,600
service like that in their own
household.

1593
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:26,000
Yeah.
It it helps.

1594
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:27,200
I'm not gonna lie.
It helps.

1595
01:40:27,200 --> 01:40:29,700
It absolutely does.
So I know, I just want to unpack

1596
01:40:29,700 --> 01:40:31,800
that.
I think that's fantastic. well,

1597
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:37,300
that's the this is going to some
other things but that's the The

1598
01:40:37,300 --> 01:40:41,000
great question of the men's
eyes.

1599
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:42,900
A great question of, the women's
Minds is very different.

1600
01:40:42,900 --> 01:40:47,800
The menus is I am I able And I
work, you know am I strong

1601
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:50,800
enough?
Can I do all the things, am I a

1602
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:52,700
man?
And for the women and I lovely

1603
01:40:52,700 --> 01:40:57,400
and my desired am I valued
enough to be cherished and be

1604
01:40:57,400 --> 01:41:03,500
productive and Something like
here, open this jar of pickles

1605
01:41:03,500 --> 01:41:06,000
for me.
And answers both of the

1606
01:41:06,008 --> 01:41:09,100
questions at least, for that.
Yeah.

1607
01:41:10,500 --> 01:41:14,700
It's funny how crisis, puts all
things in perspective and I

1608
01:41:14,708 --> 01:41:17,400
think I shared the story on the
podcast not too long ago, but

1609
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:19,300
it'll be several weeks, so I'll
share it again here.

1610
01:41:19,300 --> 01:41:21,800
I did.
I had a guy that worked for me

1611
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:26,000
very outdoorsy.
But he made some questionable

1612
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:32,800
questionable decisions from time
to time. and he told me right

1613
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:36,700
after his wife, had a baby, And
his wife was was like.

1614
01:41:38,500 --> 01:41:42,100
Unhealthy feminist, right?
Like third, fourth wave

1615
01:41:42,100 --> 01:41:46,600
feminist, right?
And I just asked him Friday, you

1616
01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:48,600
know, Friday?
You know right before works on

1617
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:50,400
like, what are you doing?
He's like, oh, I think we're

1618
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:53,000
gonna take the the baby out.
I mean, they had just had a baby

1619
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:55,200
like three or four weeks ago,
and we're just gonna go for a

1620
01:41:55,200 --> 01:41:56,200
drive.
I'm like, where you gonna go?

1621
01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:59,800
So how I'm thinking about going
to Baker Oregon, which isn't

1622
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:01,900
wasn't too far away.
It was like two hours drive from

1623
01:42:01,900 --> 01:42:04,600
where we lived.
I I said well, be careful

1624
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:06,300
because, you know, it's winter,
right?

1625
01:42:06,300 --> 01:42:09,000
Don't be careful.
Going up some of those logging

1626
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:10,000
roads.
You'll get stuck.

1627
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:13,300
Oh, I got it, I got this.
Well, they got stuck.

1628
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:18,900
Right.
And He's about two miles down,

1629
01:42:18,900 --> 01:42:22,400
the hill to go for help, because
that Subaru is not making it out

1630
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:25,400
of there.
And I hear about this story.

1631
01:42:25,400 --> 01:42:29,800
I'm on Monday or Tuesday, but
they get, they get up there.

1632
01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:31,600
They get stuck.
And now you gotta make

1633
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:34,300
decisions, right?
Can't stay in the car all night.

1634
01:42:34,308 --> 01:42:36,400
That's not an option.
You got a baby, you gotta get

1635
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:39,400
out of there, but it's two mile
hike in the mountains.

1636
01:42:41,500 --> 01:42:44,200
Well, who's going to go?
Well, it was a no-brainer.

1637
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:46,900
The dude's gonna go because
mom's got stay in the car and

1638
01:42:46,900 --> 01:42:51,000
feed the baby and all the
sudden, those roles that that we

1639
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:55,800
questioned in society, When when
crisis hits that all gets

1640
01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:59,800
distilled down really quickly
right now, who was more

1641
01:42:59,800 --> 01:43:03,300
important was, the husband more
important or was the wife more

1642
01:43:03,300 --> 01:43:06,100
important.
The answer was, they're both

1643
01:43:06,108 --> 01:43:08,400
pretty darned important at that
time, right?

1644
01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:10,900
Somebody's gotta stay and take
care of that kid.

1645
01:43:10,900 --> 01:43:14,800
Likewise, someone's got to get
down the hill and it made a lot

1646
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:18,200
of sense that the guy who you
know, the husband who was

1647
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:21,700
bigger, he was Stronger.
He was faster that made sense

1648
01:43:21,700 --> 01:43:25,400
get down the hill right and made
sense for Mom to stay in the car

1649
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:27,100
where it was warm and feed the
baby.

1650
01:43:28,100 --> 01:43:30,700
There was nothing there about
who's more important in that

1651
01:43:30,700 --> 01:43:34,700
moment.
All roles are just as important

1652
01:43:34,700 --> 01:43:37,500
as the other and those rules had
to be separated.

1653
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:42,100
For a time to accomplish the end
goal which is keeping everyone

1654
01:43:42,100 --> 01:43:46,900
alive and warm, right?
And so I tend to, I tend to view

1655
01:43:46,900 --> 01:43:50,100
these things.
Quite frankly through crisis,

1656
01:43:50,100 --> 01:43:51,900
right?
What happens in a crisis

1657
01:43:51,900 --> 01:43:56,700
situation that will inform me
greatly about God's plan on

1658
01:43:56,700 --> 01:44:00,300
these things and and relation
between when men and women.

1659
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:03,000
Mmm.
Right.

1660
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:09,200
I oh man.
I think gonna get going, we have

1661
01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:12,000
to move on, there's so many
things and so much good things,

1662
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:15,100
but just a few things, before we
start getting into mindset and

1663
01:44:15,100 --> 01:44:18,700
how it affects well, I was gonna
do the Misunderstood, um, yeah.

1664
01:44:18,700 --> 01:44:20,700
Most of these we went over.
So, yeah.

1665
01:44:20,700 --> 01:44:25,300
I I'm just gonna run through
real quick of just, Hope I

1666
01:44:25,300 --> 01:44:27,500
didn't derail anything.
No, you're good.

1667
01:44:27,500 --> 01:44:29,200
It's all good.
They just too much.

1668
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:41,300
It's just doesn't it very much
does, but um, Why, why is it so

1669
01:44:41,308 --> 01:44:44,100
easy to lose sight of all of
this?

1670
01:44:44,100 --> 01:44:47,400
Actually, I'm gonna run to a few
more things so we believe in a

1671
01:44:47,400 --> 01:44:50,800
fortunate fall, right?
That's a good talk about which

1672
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:54,700
we talked about.
Um, but also there's examples in

1673
01:44:54,700 --> 01:44:59,100
the, the scriptures of the
women, the women have access to

1674
01:44:59,100 --> 01:44:59,800
God.
Yeah.

1675
01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:01,600
And we kind of forget about
that.

1676
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:05,300
So you talked about the office
of teacher within Society in the

1677
01:45:05,308 --> 01:45:09,900
Bible, there's a female
Deaconess, um, that's biblical.

1678
01:45:09,900 --> 01:45:13,400
And I don't know any sect of
Mormonism that has that see, we

1679
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:16,100
professed to believe the Bible
and then there are things in

1680
01:45:16,108 --> 01:45:17,700
there that we completely gloss
over.

1681
01:45:19,300 --> 01:45:21,600
Um, there's one second more
organism I know which is the

1682
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:26,900
Church of Christ bicker tonight.
So the group that followed

1683
01:45:26,900 --> 01:45:29,300
Sydney Rigdon after the
succession crisis and then they

1684
01:45:29,300 --> 01:45:33,000
had early sort of prophet named
William Pickerton and they have

1685
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:36,700
deaconesses.
And I actually got to go to one

1686
01:45:36,700 --> 01:45:39,300
of their conference like little
area conference a couple weeks

1687
01:45:39,300 --> 01:45:43,600
ago and it was amazing. that's a
whole different story, but also

1688
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:47,400
you have examples of You know,
Deborah, she's a prophetess and

1689
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:53,300
a judge in Israel.
Um, you know, Anna and Anna

1690
01:45:53,300 --> 01:45:55,100
lives in the temple.
Married lives in the temple.

1691
01:45:55,100 --> 01:46:01,800
There is there is there's these
little red crumbs Hannah prays

1692
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:06,500
to God for his son.
Hey Garcia's in the angel after

1693
01:46:06,500 --> 01:46:09,700
praying.
So and I think that there's

1694
01:46:09,700 --> 01:46:14,000
undoubtedly a lot more because
ultimately, most of this is Rich

1695
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:17,000
by men and it's about been
stories and a lot of times the

1696
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:20,400
Men's stores are much louder.
And much more.

1697
01:46:22,500 --> 01:46:25,900
Much louder until then my fourth
forceful, and they're more in

1698
01:46:25,907 --> 01:46:31,600
the Forefront.
There's a thing where it's men

1699
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:35,400
are ordered.
Women are chaos and there's a

1700
01:46:35,400 --> 01:46:40,100
scene in the shop where the guys
up in the mountains and he's

1701
01:46:40,100 --> 01:46:44,900
talking to this woman who's
symbolic of the Holy Spirit.

1702
01:46:45,700 --> 01:46:46,700
And they're having this
conversation.

1703
01:46:46,700 --> 01:46:49,200
I can't remember what it's
about, but one of the things

1704
01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:51,100
that's mentioned is the chaos of
the garden around them because

1705
01:46:51,100 --> 01:46:53,400
she's taking care of all these
flowers and everything.

1706
01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:57,500
Sorry.
And he's just like, it's so

1707
01:46:57,500 --> 01:47:00,100
chaotic and at the end of the
scene and zooms out and it shows

1708
01:47:00,100 --> 01:47:02,700
the garden and while they were
in it, they're in this chaos.

1709
01:47:02,700 --> 01:47:05,600
But when you see the big
picture, you see, the order and

1710
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:08,900
you see the beautiful pattern
and that's kind of the

1711
01:47:08,900 --> 01:47:11,000
difference.
Women tend to be running a lot

1712
01:47:11,008 --> 01:47:14,400
more of like, they chaotic day
to day little things.

1713
01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:19,900
But without it, it wouldn't be
moving where men tend to be in

1714
01:47:19,900 --> 01:47:22,900
that Forefront showing the
structure in this order.

1715
01:47:22,900 --> 01:47:26,200
And this leadership, which is
also very important because

1716
01:47:26,200 --> 01:47:29,100
order needs chaos and Chaos
needs order.

1717
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:32,700
It's the sort of thing to get
rich in the animals of history,

1718
01:47:32,700 --> 01:47:34,600
but there would be no history.
Yeah.

1719
01:47:35,700 --> 01:47:37,800
Right to record on the other
side.

1720
01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:39,800
Absolutely.
Okay.

1721
01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:42,800
So and then one, one of the
things I think we'll talk about

1722
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:44,800
is a little bit.
Later is just the improper,

1723
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:48,900
search for the divine feminine.
So in preparing to go on, I was

1724
01:47:48,907 --> 01:47:52,100
like, this is, this is kind of
spicy because a lot of A lot of

1725
01:47:52,100 --> 01:47:56,300
people don't really like talking
about heavenly mother because

1726
01:47:56,300 --> 01:48:00,300
they throw again worried about
the apostasy worried about oh

1727
01:48:00,300 --> 01:48:03,500
the idolatry around it.
And again like I said before, we

1728
01:48:03,500 --> 01:48:06,900
don't avoid worshiping heavenly
father because we're talking

1729
01:48:06,900 --> 01:48:10,000
about him because we're worried
that we're going to accidentally

1730
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:11,500
commit adultery.
Yeah.

1731
01:48:12,100 --> 01:48:18,000
I think the way in which you can
do these things, Which is good.

1732
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:23,500
I do want to point out like
there is good in that caution as

1733
01:48:23,500 --> 01:48:29,500
well, because part of the, like,
Misinterpretations, or Miss

1734
01:48:29,500 --> 01:48:32,800
teachings or twisting that
happen with this is you start to

1735
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:36,500
get into new ages.
Um, these are asked herth

1736
01:48:36,500 --> 01:48:39,500
worship, you also see this thing
called starseed.

1737
01:48:39,500 --> 01:48:46,500
Um, I I ended up kind of down a
new age Rabbit Hole several

1738
01:48:46,500 --> 01:48:49,700
years ago.
I highly recommend against it

1739
01:48:49,700 --> 01:48:53,200
for anyone and all people are
people with a new ages and

1740
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:56,000
within the ghost hunting with
and all that are messing with

1741
01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:59,600
things, they do not understand
and it is very dark and you can

1742
01:48:59,608 --> 01:49:02,700
end up in some bad places,
there's a thing called starseed

1743
01:49:02,700 --> 01:49:07,800
where like, basically what it
is, is the idea of something

1744
01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:10,000
about you isn't fully connected
to the Earth.

1745
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:13,600
There's it's based off the idea
that there is something Divine

1746
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:17,200
about you, but what it turns it
into is, your actually, an alien

1747
01:49:17,200 --> 01:49:20,700
on Earth and if you meditate
enough, then you can see your

1748
01:49:20,700 --> 01:49:22,600
star seed family and they'll
appear to you.

1749
01:49:22,600 --> 01:49:25,400
So, I was listening to this
interview who from this woman

1750
01:49:25,400 --> 01:49:28,800
who had come out of new ages.
Um, and she had believed all

1751
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:32,000
this that she was a star seed
and she had her starseed family

1752
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:34,000
appeared to her, as angels of
Life.

1753
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:39,700
You've come from another planet.
Yeah, another galaxy and you've

1754
01:49:39,700 --> 01:49:42,700
been sent as this Angela being
to the Earth to like help.

1755
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:47,000
Raise the vibrations.
And yeah, and she had these

1756
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:50,900
angels of light up here to her
and give her Direction and

1757
01:49:50,900 --> 01:49:52,500
things like that.
And so it's very very careful

1758
01:49:52,500 --> 01:49:59,700
because it's Satan can appear as
an angel of Light and He will

1759
01:49:59,700 --> 01:50:03,200
try to deceive you and he will
try to make it look close enough

1760
01:50:03,208 --> 01:50:07,200
that it's deceiving but Twisted
enough that you're on the wrong

1761
01:50:07,200 --> 01:50:11,100
path.
And again this is It's true.

1762
01:50:11,100 --> 01:50:12,400
Part of it is true.
Yeah.

1763
01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:16,500
That the disconnected or the
feeling like this, isn't it?

1764
01:50:16,500 --> 01:50:18,800
It's not.
We are strangers and pilgrims

1765
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:22,300
and wandering.
And there's Earth is not our

1766
01:50:22,300 --> 01:50:24,900
home.
It's it's a really really awful

1767
01:50:24,900 --> 01:50:28,800
summer camp.
It's like oh, okay, character

1768
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:35,000
building.
That's it and maybe you break

1769
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:36,700
your legs and then you go home
with end of it.

1770
01:50:36,700 --> 01:50:39,300
It's like oh man.
I got eaten by this kiddos.

1771
01:50:39,300 --> 01:50:44,100
But like that was fun.
I only laughed because I only

1772
01:50:44,100 --> 01:50:47,200
went to one summer camp ever and
I got kicked out.

1773
01:50:47,200 --> 01:50:54,500
So I started my bad mom.
That's another story for another

1774
01:50:54,500 --> 01:50:55,100
time.
Anyway.

1775
01:50:55,100 --> 01:50:59,800
No, I said even in this, like
what you just talked about,

1776
01:50:59,800 --> 01:51:01,500
right?
What was it called again?

1777
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:06,000
Darcy.
In that and it's origin story.

1778
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:08,400
So to speak.
It's got some Adam Gotti kind of

1779
01:51:08,407 --> 01:51:14,300
things, right?
Um, it and so as as Zoe puts out

1780
01:51:14,300 --> 01:51:17,400
look.
Lucifer smart he's not done,

1781
01:51:17,400 --> 01:51:22,000
right?
and more than telling outright

1782
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:25,400
lies most of the time what I
find is he just takes a true

1783
01:51:25,400 --> 01:51:29,900
principle and just twisted.
Right, sometimes he'll flat out

1784
01:51:29,900 --> 01:51:31,600
lie.
We see we have that in the

1785
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:35,200
garden, right but he also kind
of uses truth.

1786
01:51:35,200 --> 01:51:40,300
He is the gods you'll understand
good and evil, don't worry.

1787
01:51:40,300 --> 01:51:41,300
You're not gonna die.
Right?

1788
01:51:41,300 --> 01:51:44,900
He'll just throw in the lie as
he twists the truth to make it

1789
01:51:44,900 --> 01:51:47,900
that much more appealing.
So I think you're 100% correct?

1790
01:51:47,900 --> 01:51:50,100
I think there's so much there
that we need to be careful of

1791
01:51:50,100 --> 01:51:53,300
because yeah, it can lead you
and and the other thing is is

1792
01:51:53,300 --> 01:51:59,500
that typically not exclusively
but typically for some reason a

1793
01:51:59,500 --> 01:52:07,000
lot of new new age practitioners
are are women um And I think

1794
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:12,800
part of that is quite frankly.
Here's my space spicy cake.

1795
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:17,100
quite frankly because
Christianity has done a piss

1796
01:52:17,100 --> 01:52:22,100
poor job at implementing the
sister's and when you take

1797
01:52:22,100 --> 01:52:27,500
something that is divine and as
well placed as women serving in

1798
01:52:27,500 --> 01:52:31,000
the gospel and you tell them
just to go to church and sit

1799
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:33,600
down and shut up.
They're gonna go look they're

1800
01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:37,600
they'll look for something.
Yeah, and so Mormonism is

1801
01:52:37,600 --> 01:52:40,600
uniquely positioned to answer
those questions Zoe.

1802
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:42,700
Sorry, I didn't mean it.
Thank you for resetting our

1803
01:52:42,700 --> 01:52:43,900
thesis for us.
That's nice.

1804
01:52:43,900 --> 01:52:48,900
Oh, sorry, my bad.
I didn't silly though.

1805
01:52:48,907 --> 01:52:51,000
This is the truth.
That was not meant to be snarky.

1806
01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:53,200
I just okay.
Okay.

1807
01:52:53,200 --> 01:52:55,200
I I just didn't want to steal
your thunder.

1808
01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:58,600
No not at all but I am gonna
disagree with you.

1809
01:52:59,400 --> 01:53:01,800
Because I don't think that the
serpent lies in the garden.

1810
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:07,100
And I don't think well, I guess
I guess I mean because they

1811
01:53:07,100 --> 01:53:09,900
don't die.
Well, no, no, not even that so

1812
01:53:09,900 --> 01:53:17,600
I've got Dennis's too and three
opened up here. and so God talks

1813
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:19,900
is talk to Adam even created
yet.

1814
01:53:19,900 --> 01:53:23,300
And he says, you know the Lord
God commanded the man right?

1815
01:53:23,300 --> 01:53:26,400
No eat yet.
Saying of every tree of the

1816
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:30,000
garden now my ass freely eat,
but of the tree of the knowledge

1817
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:33,100
of Good and Evil Thou shalt not
eat of it or in the day that

1818
01:53:33,100 --> 01:53:38,000
thou Eater of Thou shalt surely
die. and then in the next verse

1819
01:53:39,200 --> 01:53:42,200
God says it's not good that the
man should be alone and creates

1820
01:53:42,200 --> 01:53:44,800
Eve.
Okay, so you have to commandment

1821
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:47,500
given to Adam saying don't eat
or you're surely die.

1822
01:53:48,600 --> 01:53:51,500
All right.
This is the next chapter chapter

1823
01:53:51,500 --> 01:53:54,500
3.
It says, now the serpent was

1824
01:53:54,500 --> 01:53:57,800
more subtle than any beast of
the field, which the Lord God

1825
01:53:57,800 --> 01:54:00,000
had made.
And he said unto the woman.

1826
01:54:00,008 --> 01:54:03,500
Yay hath.
God said, ye shall not eat of

1827
01:54:03,500 --> 01:54:07,000
every tree of the garden.
And the woman said unto the

1828
01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:09,900
serpent.
We may eat of the fruit of the

1829
01:54:09,900 --> 01:54:14,200
Trees of the garden, but of the
fruit of the tree, which is in

1830
01:54:14,200 --> 01:54:18,400
the midst of the garden.
God hath said, You shall not eat

1831
01:54:18,400 --> 01:54:20,000
of it.
Neither shall you?

1832
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:22,000
Touch it?
Lest you die.

1833
01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:28,200
So, right there.
Somewhere along the line,

1834
01:54:28,200 --> 01:54:31,100
there's been a hedge placed
around the law.

1835
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:33,500
Right.
Yeah, actual commandment.

1836
01:54:33,500 --> 01:54:37,000
God said don't eat it.
And then now, here's Eve

1837
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:40,000
rehearsing to the serpent.
God said, don't eat of it or

1838
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:42,900
touch it.
Okay.

1839
01:54:42,900 --> 01:54:46,000
So, somewhere along there,
whether it's from Adam to Eve or

1840
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:48,400
from, you know, in Eve's mind
and to the serpent, there's been

1841
01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:52,000
this extra not a commandment,
but it gets packed on to God's

1842
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:55,200
words.
So now she's running off of the

1843
01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:57,500
flawed script.
Right.

1844
01:54:58,700 --> 01:55:02,500
So you shall not eat a bit not
as I touch it unless he died and

1845
01:55:02,500 --> 01:55:04,800
the serpent said to the woman.
He shall not surely die.

1846
01:55:07,900 --> 01:55:10,400
Which is true based on what she
is just said.

1847
01:55:11,400 --> 01:55:14,000
She shall not surely die.
If you just touch it, they'll be

1848
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:16,600
fine.
You shall not surely die, but

1849
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:20,500
she doesn't understand because
it's all the same commandment to

1850
01:55:20,500 --> 01:55:21,800
her.
Even though actually only one of

1851
01:55:21,800 --> 01:55:25,600
the fast of it is.
So for sure it goes on it's for

1852
01:55:25,600 --> 01:55:29,000
God know that in the day you eat
thereof then your eyes shall be

1853
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:31,300
open and ye shall be as Gods
knowing Good and Evil.

1854
01:55:32,500 --> 01:55:36,400
Which is also true.
I think this is Abraham when

1855
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:40,700
they become like yeah, that
really become like us knowing

1856
01:55:40,700 --> 01:55:43,900
good from eel says they become
like us knowing good for me

1857
01:55:43,900 --> 01:55:45,000
evil.
Like that's the truth.

1858
01:55:46,200 --> 01:55:48,500
Right the fact that she's not
gonna die.

1859
01:55:49,700 --> 01:55:52,600
Is the truth because if she just
touches it she's fine and the

1860
01:55:52,600 --> 01:55:54,900
fact that her eyes will be open
and she'll become like God

1861
01:55:54,900 --> 01:55:56,900
knowing good from Evil.
He's also true.

1862
01:55:59,200 --> 01:56:02,800
Um, and then the woman saw when
the woman saw that the tree was

1863
01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:05,300
good for food and that it was
pleasant to her eyes and a tree

1864
01:56:05,308 --> 01:56:08,100
to be desired to make one wise.
She took of the fruit thereof.

1865
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:14,200
Everything's fine.
And she added each and gave also

1866
01:56:14,200 --> 01:56:15,900
under her husband with her and
he did eat.

1867
01:56:15,900 --> 01:56:19,100
And the eyes of them both were
opened and they knew they were

1868
01:56:19,100 --> 01:56:24,600
naked.
Um, and so it's it's action

1869
01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:29,300
serious to me. because, the fact
that again, this is this is

1870
01:56:29,300 --> 01:56:33,100
we've kind of had two sort of
theories of the fall and, you

1871
01:56:33,100 --> 01:56:39,000
know, based off of this He
doesn't even have to tell a lie.

1872
01:56:40,100 --> 01:56:42,200
Right, you just have to
misunderstand.

1873
01:56:43,200 --> 01:56:46,800
What actually is required of you
and then you can be to saved by

1874
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:49,000
the truth.
Absolutely.

1875
01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:53,100
No, that's a good point.
And so it's Quite get.

1876
01:56:53,700 --> 01:56:55,800
Grip, straightened out.
Of what is actually.

1877
01:56:56,000 --> 01:56:57,900
Required of me.
What is the tradition?

1878
01:56:57,900 --> 01:57:01,100
What is it?
Coming because then you can

1879
01:57:01,100 --> 01:57:04,200
stand on firm ground be like,
okay, I understand.

1880
01:57:04,200 --> 01:57:06,600
What is required me?
I understand what's not and I

1881
01:57:06,608 --> 01:57:10,000
can tell the difference.
Absolutely good point.

1882
01:57:10,600 --> 01:57:11,700
Okay.
Okay.

1883
01:57:11,700 --> 01:57:15,100
So going back.
We love tangent, we love

1884
01:57:15,100 --> 01:57:18,900
tangents.
Um, so you also, we kind of

1885
01:57:18,907 --> 01:57:21,100
talked about this already, but I
want to read a quote with that

1886
01:57:21,100 --> 01:57:24,100
because the quote annoyed me so
bad, I must share it.

1887
01:57:24,108 --> 01:57:27,800
Um, you have this
misunderstanding of like the

1888
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:30,200
fall as evil.
So there's this hatred toward

1889
01:57:30,208 --> 01:57:32,300
Adam and even especially Eve
physical nature.

1890
01:57:32,300 --> 01:57:35,800
Must be bad and blaming Eve and
by association all women for the

1891
01:57:35,800 --> 01:57:38,900
fall, I will slow down.
Oh no, hold on.

1892
01:57:38,907 --> 01:57:43,800
So this comes from tertullian
one of the early church fathers

1893
01:57:43,800 --> 01:57:47,300
and a thing called on the
apparel of woman.

1894
01:57:48,300 --> 01:57:51,700
Where he says, and do you not
know that you are each and Eve,

1895
01:57:51,700 --> 01:57:54,700
the sentence of God on this sex
of yours lives in the Sage?

1896
01:57:54,700 --> 01:57:56,900
The Guild must have necessity
live too.

1897
01:57:56,900 --> 01:58:00,300
You are the devil's Gateway.
You are the Unser of that

1898
01:58:00,300 --> 01:58:03,900
forbidden tree, you are the
desert of the Divine Law, you

1899
01:58:03,900 --> 01:58:06,600
are, she who persuaded him.
Whom the devil was not Valiant

1900
01:58:06,600 --> 01:58:10,800
enough to attack you destroyed
so easily God's image, man on

1901
01:58:10,800 --> 01:58:13,200
account of your desert, that is
death.

1902
01:58:13,200 --> 01:58:20,300
Even the son of God had to die.
So we see yeah, we see with this

1903
01:58:20,300 --> 01:58:23,900
when you pervert Doctrine and
you start changing it into

1904
01:58:23,900 --> 01:58:29,300
something else. in this case,
you have all of women hated by

1905
01:58:29,300 --> 01:58:32,300
this person because he's like
you did this awful thing put us

1906
01:58:32,300 --> 01:58:36,100
in this awful State Ergo, all
women are awful because it's her

1907
01:58:36,100 --> 01:58:39,400
fault that we are the same and
you still will hear it from some

1908
01:58:39,400 --> 01:58:43,200
people in Christianity.
Today of its women's fault that

1909
01:58:43,208 --> 01:58:46,200
we are where we are.
I've heard that argument use

1910
01:58:46,200 --> 01:58:49,600
like, actually met people where
they'll say that to me or

1911
01:58:49,600 --> 01:58:50,700
they'll say that to someone
else.

1912
01:58:52,200 --> 01:58:55,500
Right.
And this is again, just one more

1913
01:58:55,500 --> 01:59:00,200
thing and then we will log into
the results, but, um, Well,

1914
01:59:00,200 --> 01:59:03,800
okay.
So One of the one of the reasons

1915
01:59:03,800 --> 01:59:08,000
why I think we've drifted from
this, understanding the true and

1916
01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:11,700
proper understanding is losing
the physicality of God.

1917
01:59:11,700 --> 01:59:16,500
Here's a lovely quote from the
Westminster Confession of faith.

1918
01:59:17,700 --> 01:59:20,500
Sets.
Um, will you find me contacts

1919
01:59:20,500 --> 01:59:21,800
for where?
When is this?

1920
01:59:21,800 --> 01:59:27,300
Yeah, there is, but one only
living and true, God, who was

1921
01:59:27,308 --> 01:59:31,200
infinite and being and
Perfection a most pure Spirit

1922
01:59:31,200 --> 01:59:35,300
invisible without body parts, or
passions, immutable immense,

1923
01:59:35,300 --> 01:59:38,600
Eternal incomprehensible
Almighty, most wise Most, Holy

1924
01:59:38,600 --> 01:59:41,500
most free, most, absolute
working, all things according to

1925
01:59:41,500 --> 01:59:43,900
the counsel of his own
immutable, and most righteous

1926
01:59:43,900 --> 01:59:47,100
will for his own Glory.
But most great loving gracious.

1927
01:59:47,100 --> 01:59:49,800
Merciful long suffering,
abundant and goodness and Truth.

1928
01:59:49,800 --> 01:59:51,500
Forgiving iniquity transgression
and sin.

1929
01:59:51,500 --> 01:59:54,400
The rewarder of them that
diligently seek Him and with all

1930
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:57,500
most dressed and terrible in his
judgments hating all sin and who

1931
01:59:57,508 --> 01:59:58,900
will by no means, clear the
guilty.

1932
02:00:00,500 --> 02:00:04,700
So this was written in completed
in 1646 by the Westminster

1933
02:00:04,700 --> 02:00:08,200
assembly, which meant in London
from 1643 to 1649.

1934
02:00:08,200 --> 02:00:11,600
The document was created to
reform the Church of England's

1935
02:00:11,600 --> 02:00:14,800
Doctrine and became foundational
for presbyterianism, right?

1936
02:00:14,800 --> 02:00:18,800
And so this is and there's
there's aspects of this in

1937
02:00:18,800 --> 02:00:21,100
Catholicism as well.
Now God is without body parts

1938
02:00:21,100 --> 02:00:23,800
are passion immutable intense
Eternal incomprehensible

1939
02:00:23,800 --> 02:00:26,300
invisible.
Most pure Spirit like well.

1940
02:00:27,800 --> 02:00:30,600
You Joseph Smith talks about
this in the lectures on faith,

1941
02:00:30,600 --> 02:00:33,600
unless you understand.
The nature of God, you cannot

1942
02:00:33,600 --> 02:00:39,200
have faced necessary for
salvation and I just want to

1943
02:00:39,208 --> 02:00:42,800
share one more quote.
Which is from, probably my

1944
02:00:42,800 --> 02:00:47,700
favorite author of all time, the
one and the only Elder CS Lewis.

1945
02:00:48,800 --> 02:00:53,700
Who there's a reason why he is
the most quoted non-mormon in

1946
02:00:53,700 --> 02:00:57,400
general conference.
Because the dude was Mormon and

1947
02:00:57,400 --> 02:01:02,200
didn't know it.
And I will stand by that

1948
02:01:02,200 --> 02:01:08,400
statement.
So he has a book called, which

1949
02:01:08,400 --> 02:01:14,300
is one of his laughter known
Works called miracles. okay, um,

1950
02:01:14,300 --> 02:01:21,500
which is about milk Miracles and
the idea of Miracles and how um

1951
02:01:21,500 --> 02:01:26,400
whether or not they exist, I'm
kind of how you have to decide

1952
02:01:26,400 --> 02:01:30,200
whether they do or not before
looking for them, because if

1953
02:01:30,200 --> 02:01:33,500
you're sure, they don't, you're
never gonna see any Everything

1954
02:01:33,500 --> 02:01:38,600
can be explained away.
Um, but Also, I wonder the book.

1955
02:01:38,600 --> 02:01:41,200
I wouldn't recommend it as much
as say scooter letters or some

1956
02:01:41,200 --> 02:01:45,200
Mere Christianity, but there's
one passage that hit me so hard

1957
02:01:45,200 --> 02:01:48,000
and I have Used it many times
since.

1958
02:01:49,500 --> 02:01:54,700
He's talking about this idea of
God as immutable without parts

1959
02:01:54,700 --> 02:01:59,800
or passions or form.
And okay, so I'm just gonna read

1960
02:01:59,800 --> 02:02:05,200
the quote Um it is clear that
there was never a time when

1961
02:02:05,200 --> 02:02:08,400
nothing existed otherwise
nothing would exist now.

1962
02:02:08,400 --> 02:02:13,300
But to exist means to be a
positive something Orally a

1963
02:02:13,300 --> 02:02:16,700
certain shape or structure to be
this and not that the thing

1964
02:02:16,700 --> 02:02:19,400
which is always existed.
Namely God has, therefore always

1965
02:02:19,400 --> 02:02:21,600
had his own positive character
throughout.

1966
02:02:21,600 --> 02:02:24,700
All eternity certain statements
about him would have been true

1967
02:02:24,700 --> 02:02:28,600
and others false And from the
mere fact of our own existence

1968
02:02:28,600 --> 02:02:32,300
and Nature's, we already know to
some extent, which are which we

1969
02:02:32,300 --> 02:02:36,300
know that he invents act create
after that, there can be no

1970
02:02:36,308 --> 02:02:38,600
ground for assuming in advance
that he does not do miracles.

1971
02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:44,500
Why then do the mystics talk of
him as they do and why are many

1972
02:02:44,500 --> 02:02:46,800
people prepared in advance to
maintain that?

1973
02:02:46,800 --> 02:02:49,900
Whatever else God may be?
He is not the concrete living

1974
02:02:49,900 --> 02:02:52,100
willing and acting God of
Christian theology.

1975
02:02:52,100 --> 02:02:57,300
I think the reason is as follows
Let us suppose a mystical

1976
02:02:57,300 --> 02:02:59,800
Limpet.
So Olympic is a little

1977
02:02:59,800 --> 02:03:01,500
shellfish, kind of like a
barnacle.

1978
02:03:01,500 --> 02:03:07,200
Yep, let us suppose a mystical
Limpet, a sage among Olympics,

1979
02:03:07,200 --> 02:03:13,200
who raped Envision catches a
glimpse of what man is like In

1980
02:03:13,200 --> 02:03:15,700
reporting it to his disciples.
Who have some Vision themselves

1981
02:03:15,700 --> 02:03:18,000
though?
Less than he, he will have to

1982
02:03:18,008 --> 02:03:21,500
use many negatives.
He will have to tell them.

1983
02:03:21,500 --> 02:03:25,600
Tell them that man has no shell
is not attached to a rock.

1984
02:03:25,600 --> 02:03:29,200
It's not surrounded by water.
And his disciples having little

1985
02:03:29,200 --> 02:03:32,100
vision of their own to help them
do get some idea of man.

1986
02:03:33,100 --> 02:03:36,200
But then, their come iradite,
limpets limpets who wrote

1987
02:03:36,200 --> 02:03:38,500
history of philosophy and to
give lectures on comparative,

1988
02:03:38,500 --> 02:03:40,900
religion, and who have never had
any vision of Their Own.

1989
02:03:42,000 --> 02:03:43,900
What they get out of the
prophetic clip.

1990
02:03:43,900 --> 02:03:47,600
Prophetic words is simply and
solely the negatives.

1991
02:03:48,500 --> 02:03:51,500
From these on corrected.
By any positive Insight, they

1992
02:03:51,500 --> 02:03:55,600
build up a picture of man as a
sort of a more of his jelly.

1993
02:03:56,500 --> 02:03:59,700
Has no shell.
Existing know in particular he

1994
02:03:59,700 --> 02:04:02,700
is not attached to a rock and
never taking nourishment.

1995
02:04:02,700 --> 02:04:04,900
There is no water to drift it
towards him.

1996
02:04:05,700 --> 02:04:08,800
And having a traditional
reverence from man, that

1997
02:04:08,800 --> 02:04:12,300
conclude that to be a famous
jelly in a dimensionless void is

1998
02:04:12,300 --> 02:04:15,300
a supreme motive, existence, I'm
rejected.

1999
02:04:15,300 --> 02:04:18,100
As crude materialistic
Superstition, any Doctrine,

2000
02:04:18,100 --> 02:04:21,300
which would attribute to man a
definite shape a structure and

2001
02:04:21,300 --> 02:04:24,900
organs.
Our own situation, it's much

2002
02:04:24,900 --> 02:04:28,400
like that of the aerodynamic
Olympics, great profits and

2003
02:04:28,407 --> 02:04:32,000
Saints have an intuition of God,
which is positive and concrete

2004
02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:35,100
in the highest degree.
Because just touching the

2005
02:04:35,100 --> 02:04:38,400
fringes of his being, they have
seen that he is plenitude of

2006
02:04:38,400 --> 02:04:42,200
life and energy and joy
therefore and for no other

2007
02:04:42,200 --> 02:04:44,800
reason they have to pronounce
that he transcends those

2008
02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:47,400
limitations which we call
personality passion change

2009
02:04:47,400 --> 02:04:52,100
materiality materiality
materiality and look like The

2010
02:04:52,100 --> 02:04:54,800
positive quality and him, which
propels he's limitations is

2011
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:56,600
their only ground for all the
negatives.

2012
02:04:57,500 --> 02:05:00,300
But when we come limping after
and try to construct an

2013
02:05:00,300 --> 02:05:03,800
intellectual or enlightened
religion, we take over these

2014
02:05:03,800 --> 02:05:06,100
negatives.
Infinite immaterial and passable

2015
02:05:06,100 --> 02:05:10,300
immutable Etc and use them
unchecked by any positive

2016
02:05:10,300 --> 02:05:14,200
intuition.
Each step we have to strip off

2017
02:05:14,200 --> 02:05:18,100
from our idea of God, some human
attribute but the only real

2018
02:05:18,100 --> 02:05:21,200
reason for stripping off, the
human attribute is to make room

2019
02:05:21,200 --> 02:05:23,600
for putting in some positive
Divine attributes.

2020
02:05:24,600 --> 02:05:27,200
In Saint, Paul's language.
The purpose of all, this

2021
02:05:27,200 --> 02:05:30,200
unclothing is not the idea of
God, should we reach nakedness,

2022
02:05:30,200 --> 02:05:34,600
but that it should be.
But unhappily, we have no means

2023
02:05:34,600 --> 02:05:38,400
of doing the recording.
When we have removed from our

2024
02:05:38,400 --> 02:05:42,000
idea of God, some puny human
characteristic, we as merely

2025
02:05:42,000 --> 02:05:46,000
iradite, or intelligent choirs
have no reaches from which just

2026
02:05:46,008 --> 02:05:49,100
apply that blindingly real and
concrete attribute of deity

2027
02:05:49,100 --> 02:05:53,100
which ought to replace it.
Thus at each step in the process

2028
02:05:53,100 --> 02:05:56,400
of refinement are idea.
Of God contains less and the

2029
02:05:56,400 --> 02:05:59,200
Fatal pictures.
Come in an endless silence.

2030
02:05:59,200 --> 02:06:03,400
See empty Sky Beyond All Star.
A Domo fight radiants And we

2031
02:06:03,400 --> 02:06:06,800
reach at last near zero and
worship anonymous.

2032
02:06:10,700 --> 02:06:21,400
Yeah, he was more he just didn't
know. so, Heart.

2033
02:06:21,900 --> 02:06:25,400
When people struggle to
approach, God because how can

2034
02:06:25,400 --> 02:06:28,700
you understand something that is
doctrinally incomprehensible,

2035
02:06:28,700 --> 02:06:34,500
how can you relate to something
that is formless and just

2036
02:06:34,500 --> 02:06:39,100
everywhere and nowhere?
And Because the reality is so

2037
02:06:39,100 --> 02:06:42,900
much better.
The reality is you have a

2038
02:06:42,907 --> 02:06:46,600
father?
who looks like you and feels

2039
02:06:46,600 --> 02:06:51,600
like you and was once where you
were, And then he grew up and

2040
02:06:51,600 --> 02:06:55,900
became your God.
And That's so much more

2041
02:06:55,900 --> 02:06:59,300
conducive.
To a relationship.

2042
02:06:59,300 --> 02:07:01,700
It's so much more conducive to
understanding.

2043
02:07:02,700 --> 02:07:04,800
Your place.
And then when you understand

2044
02:07:04,800 --> 02:07:09,600
that there's this Divine Miss
and everyone there's nobility

2045
02:07:09,600 --> 02:07:12,400
literal nobility because you're
the children of the king.

2046
02:07:13,300 --> 02:07:16,600
Then it changes everything
because I'm not just some random

2047
02:07:16,600 --> 02:07:20,000
creature.
I'm a princess right?

2048
02:07:20,000 --> 02:07:24,300
Father is the big guy.
And the random cashier lady

2049
02:07:24,300 --> 02:07:26,900
whose ringing up, my groceries
isn't just some random cast.

2050
02:07:26,900 --> 02:07:31,000
Really, she's also a princess.
That changes the way you

2051
02:07:31,000 --> 02:07:36,300
everything.
Actually no it's great and it

2052
02:07:36,300 --> 02:07:39,000
should change how we deal with
other people, right?

2053
02:07:39,000 --> 02:07:44,100
Um as I get in the car and get
getting, you know, Get stuck in

2054
02:07:44,108 --> 02:07:48,000
traffic and fed up with people.
It should it should change how

2055
02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:51,600
we see others.
Um, whether male or female, it

2056
02:07:51,600 --> 02:07:56,900
doesn't matter recognizing that
Divine parentage should Change

2057
02:07:56,900 --> 02:07:59,000
how it is.
We view people in general.

2058
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:03,000
I just want to make a quick side
note on the princess because I

2059
02:08:03,000 --> 02:08:08,500
absolutely love that.
Little Rings.

2060
02:08:08,500 --> 02:08:11,100
Right now one of them says you
are loved and the other says

2061
02:08:11,100 --> 02:08:14,700
faith over fear because it helps
me remember if I can physically

2062
02:08:14,700 --> 02:08:18,400
see it and a little while ago, I
have an embroidery machine.

2063
02:08:18,400 --> 02:08:22,100
So I embroidered on a
sweatshirt, Divine princess

2064
02:08:22,100 --> 02:08:24,800
daughter of a Heavenly King
because it was something that I

2065
02:08:24,808 --> 02:08:27,000
was struggling to take on as an
actual identity.

2066
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:29,800
And I'm like, okay if I have it
on me, I can remember that.

2067
02:08:29,800 --> 02:08:33,600
I am a Divine Princess and the
woman around me are too, right?

2068
02:08:33,600 --> 02:08:36,800
I would say one because when we
talk about people is, oh,

2069
02:08:36,800 --> 02:08:39,700
they're a princess, it's got
negative connotations, oh,

2070
02:08:39,700 --> 02:08:41,500
they're so spoiled.
Oh, they're so right.

2071
02:08:41,500 --> 02:08:46,100
That's everybody to just serve.
That's like, no, because that's

2072
02:08:46,100 --> 02:08:50,100
paired with the idea of certain
King was willing to descend

2073
02:08:50,100 --> 02:08:53,300
below everything because he is
noble.

2074
02:08:53,300 --> 02:08:56,800
And so I think that's a central
part of the sort of idea of

2075
02:08:56,800 --> 02:09:00,200
yeah, people as Noble because if
you don't have it, then you

2076
02:09:00,208 --> 02:09:02,600
become an insufferable prick and
nobody wants to be your friend

2077
02:09:02,608 --> 02:09:11,000
anymore. well said, Good.
I might just take that quote and

2078
02:09:11,000 --> 02:09:14,000
hang it somewhere.
Put on a cutie Relief Society

2079
02:09:14,000 --> 02:09:21,300
signed somewhere and just Don't
worry, I'll credit you.

2080
02:09:21,300 --> 02:09:33,500
Zoe, I'll tell you, we're going
to Have that cutie RT, you know?

2081
02:09:34,600 --> 02:09:41,200
Calligraphy five, Zoe Erickson.
So I'll put it right there.

2082
02:09:50,100 --> 02:09:55,500
So, one and a half more things
before we move on to start how

2083
02:09:55,500 --> 02:09:58,100
it kind of affects us and
impacts her life and everything.

2084
02:09:58,100 --> 02:10:02,000
And there's also improper view
of marriage.

2085
02:10:02,800 --> 02:10:08,800
Where people start to race up
selling celibacy as the best or

2086
02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:11,300
marriage is throwing out all
together and you get promiscuity

2087
02:10:11,300 --> 02:10:16,000
as people leave the church and
you kind of have extreme and

2088
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:19,900
doctrines associated with women
very easily and quickly get

2089
02:10:19,900 --> 02:10:22,500
perverted and sexualized.
Yes.

2090
02:10:23,500 --> 02:10:25,300
Yep.
And these things contribute to

2091
02:10:25,300 --> 02:10:29,100
the misunderstanding and why we
don't have the tradition that we

2092
02:10:29,100 --> 02:10:31,500
ought to have.
Absolutely.

2093
02:10:33,000 --> 02:10:34,600
Okay, you ready?
Move on.

2094
02:10:34,600 --> 02:10:37,300
Yes.
Okay under two and a half hours.

2095
02:10:37,300 --> 02:10:39,400
Okay, that was the biggest
section.

2096
02:10:39,400 --> 02:10:42,600
Yeah, you know.
Okay, so results.

2097
02:10:42,600 --> 02:10:46,600
This is how it affects a mindset
and then we'll go into how it

2098
02:10:46,600 --> 02:10:51,100
shows up and I said manifests
and then how it kind of affects

2099
02:10:51,100 --> 02:10:52,100
worldwide.
Yeah.

2100
02:10:52,100 --> 02:10:56,600
So I think the mental results of
the misunderstanding on the

2101
02:10:56,608 --> 02:10:59,600
proper world of women, the
Divinity, the power that goes

2102
02:10:59,600 --> 02:11:03,400
along with that, rightfully
leads to a whole bunch of sort

2103
02:11:03,400 --> 02:11:05,300
of if you don't understand it,
then there's negative

2104
02:11:05,300 --> 02:11:06,300
repercussions.
Yeah.

2105
02:11:06,300 --> 02:11:07,900
And here are some of them.
Yeah.

2106
02:11:07,900 --> 02:11:10,700
So you have a hatred toward men.
This is where you get the

2107
02:11:10,700 --> 02:11:13,800
accusations of misogyny of.
Oh this is so misogynistic

2108
02:11:13,800 --> 02:11:17,300
because men are amazing and
women are second class.

2109
02:11:17,300 --> 02:11:19,700
The objectifying of women comes
in.

2110
02:11:19,700 --> 02:11:24,300
This motherhood is second class
as well.

2111
02:11:24,300 --> 02:11:27,200
Sentiments, like why can't I
hold the priesthood because I'm

2112
02:11:27,200 --> 02:11:30,200
just forced to be a mother.
Can't my life be more than just

2113
02:11:30,200 --> 02:11:33,800
motherhood, not realizing how
great motherhood is and how

2114
02:11:33,800 --> 02:11:37,700
important it is.
Um, there's a skewed view of the

2115
02:11:37,700 --> 02:11:40,300
body.
There's a shame around body and

2116
02:11:40,300 --> 02:11:44,000
femininity you, especially see
this with menstruation of, oh,

2117
02:11:44,000 --> 02:11:49,300
that's gross and body dysmorphia
as well.

2118
02:11:49,300 --> 02:11:52,900
And this shows up into, usually
in society when we talk about

2119
02:11:52,900 --> 02:11:55,100
body, dysmorphia, we're talking
about transgenderism.

2120
02:11:55,100 --> 02:11:58,700
This also shows up with eating
disorders as well, because

2121
02:11:58,700 --> 02:12:03,300
you're not viewing your body
correctly and again because the

2122
02:12:03,300 --> 02:12:07,100
the feminine is the physical.
Yeah.

2123
02:12:08,300 --> 02:12:12,300
Um, in that, that's where you
sort of get your body from this,

2124
02:12:12,300 --> 02:12:13,400
from your mother.
Yeah.

2125
02:12:13,400 --> 02:12:15,000
Right.
She grows it.

2126
02:12:15,000 --> 02:12:19,100
And so when you misunderstand
the role and the beauty, that it

2127
02:12:19,100 --> 02:12:25,600
kind of translates to again,
misunderstanding the Holiness of

2128
02:12:25,600 --> 02:12:29,300
the physical and again,
Christianity, don't like the

2129
02:12:29,300 --> 02:12:32,900
physical body and there's some
of that in Mormonism, maybe we

2130
02:12:32,900 --> 02:12:37,000
don't dislike it, but we don't
understand the temple imagery.

2131
02:12:37,000 --> 02:12:38,900
You don't understand the
Holiness.

2132
02:12:38,900 --> 02:12:43,900
And so then you don't view
body's as.

2133
02:12:43,900 --> 02:12:46,000
Yeah, as hopeless.
Holy.

2134
02:12:46,000 --> 02:12:48,000
Yeah.
Or you do, but you do it in the

2135
02:12:48,008 --> 02:12:50,100
wrong way.
Where you have these unrealistic

2136
02:12:50,100 --> 02:12:53,500
beauty standards?
I feel like wearing ahead.

2137
02:12:53,500 --> 02:12:56,800
It's right here.
Oh, because it's a mindset

2138
02:12:56,800 --> 02:12:57,500
thing.
Oh yeah.

2139
02:12:57,500 --> 02:13:02,200
Um we'll talk more about beauty
standards later too as it shows

2140
02:13:02,200 --> 02:13:06,100
up manifestation, but this idea
of I have to be beautiful

2141
02:13:06,100 --> 02:13:10,200
because that's all I am.
All I am is to be this

2142
02:13:10,200 --> 02:13:15,500
housewife, at home and yeah.
And so when you have this

2143
02:13:15,500 --> 02:13:19,900
misperception of women, or the
skiing and all you are is

2144
02:13:19,900 --> 02:13:24,300
supposed to be almost like a
trophy wife, then you have this

2145
02:13:24,300 --> 02:13:27,500
body, this morphea as you try to
fulfill, this certain Beauty

2146
02:13:27,500 --> 02:13:30,200
standard and things.
And I think part of that, and

2147
02:13:30,200 --> 02:13:32,500
this is maybe all a little
Skippy has.

2148
02:13:32,500 --> 02:13:39,800
Well, but um, the the act of,
you know, barring the child is

2149
02:13:41,000 --> 02:13:47,300
Again now, I guess to the
tournament because your, your

2150
02:13:47,300 --> 02:13:49,700
redeeming, your sort of
redeeming the physical body and

2151
02:13:49,700 --> 02:13:53,700
that you're giving the spirit a
chance to get a fear of fear of

2152
02:13:53,700 --> 02:13:57,600
physical body, much like Christ
gives us physically a chance to

2153
02:13:57,600 --> 02:13:59,800
have a spiritual connection.
Right?

2154
02:13:59,800 --> 02:14:02,000
Right?
And so when you misunderstand

2155
02:14:02,000 --> 02:14:06,200
that, there's a whole bunch of
things because um, I'm just

2156
02:14:06,200 --> 02:14:07,500
critique, I love the screwtape
letters.

2157
02:14:07,500 --> 02:14:10,800
I just talked about CS Lewis,
but he talks about beauty

2158
02:14:10,800 --> 02:14:15,500
standards in their of.
A lot of them are are such that

2159
02:14:15,500 --> 02:14:18,300
in having children, you wreck
it.

2160
02:14:19,400 --> 02:14:23,100
Right in.
And screwtape says that this is

2161
02:14:23,100 --> 02:14:26,000
the work of, you know, the
devil's PR team did a really

2162
02:14:26,008 --> 02:14:29,700
good job.
Because if you, if you think

2163
02:14:29,700 --> 02:14:35,400
that your your value is physical
Beauty because it's a place,

2164
02:14:35,400 --> 02:14:38,700
like you say, the value is a
physicality and you missed

2165
02:14:38,700 --> 02:14:41,100
because you think of that as a
physical Beauty and said of the,

2166
02:14:41,100 --> 02:14:44,700
the capability of giving other
Spirits for physical bodies.

2167
02:14:45,500 --> 02:14:48,100
Then the attention is to how
beautiful.

2168
02:14:48,100 --> 02:14:50,400
And so, you know, oh, I got
stretch marks.

2169
02:14:50,400 --> 02:14:54,900
I've been, you know, my stomach
is all saggy because I had

2170
02:14:54,900 --> 02:14:58,300
children and set of viewing that
almost like Stigmata.

2171
02:14:58,300 --> 02:15:04,900
Like Christ has wounds right,
that he keeps As code of a

2172
02:15:04,900 --> 02:15:07,900
reminder of the sacrifice.
Right, right?

2173
02:15:07,900 --> 02:15:11,200
And The Feminine.
So the men are required to lay

2174
02:15:11,200 --> 02:15:13,300
down their life for their women,
right?

2175
02:15:13,300 --> 02:15:15,400
For the church like Christ, did
that?

2176
02:15:15,400 --> 02:15:21,700
That's the masculine ideal is
the wounds for the sake of, The

2177
02:15:21,700 --> 02:15:24,500
bride.
And then for the women, it's the

2178
02:15:24,500 --> 02:15:27,900
same thing.
But it's for the children of

2179
02:15:27,900 --> 02:15:33,200
wounds because because My mother
and again, Michaela and I are

2180
02:15:33,200 --> 02:15:38,600
both extremely qualified to talk
about this subject. so, so far

2181
02:15:40,200 --> 02:15:44,800
Look, here's the thing, right?
I'll be honest with you, these

2182
02:15:44,800 --> 02:15:49,500
kind of conversations, scare the
crap out of me because I am just

2183
02:15:49,500 --> 02:15:52,100
one hair's breadth away from
saying the wrong thing, all the

2184
02:15:52,100 --> 02:15:55,800
time, and I realized that this
kind of conversation is loaded

2185
02:15:55,800 --> 02:15:58,800
with landmines, so don't worry
about feeling unqualified.

2186
02:15:58,800 --> 02:16:06,500
So I will say this is the
relationship. from the

2187
02:16:06,500 --> 02:16:09,200
scriptural from The from the
doctor and not.

2188
02:16:10,100 --> 02:16:11,800
Presuming to speak for my own
experiences.

2189
02:16:11,800 --> 02:16:17,000
I got Oh, but, but look, so in
your case and Michaela, I'm sure

2190
02:16:17,000 --> 02:16:19,400
you have experienced.
As I just don't know you as well

2191
02:16:19,407 --> 02:16:20,300
as I know.
Zoe right.

2192
02:16:20,300 --> 02:16:23,900
But so you've been around for
for both of your moms to be

2193
02:16:23,900 --> 02:16:29,100
having kids, right?
You it may not have been you but

2194
02:16:29,100 --> 02:16:32,500
you were around for that
process, right?

2195
02:16:32,500 --> 02:16:36,700
I've seen the process, right?
Exactly.

2196
02:16:36,700 --> 02:16:41,200
So you're not speaking from just
Just purely academic Source.

2197
02:16:41,200 --> 02:16:45,100
I guess, I guess it's true but
yeah and I'm sure Mikayla's got

2198
02:16:45,100 --> 02:16:49,900
similar experiences to that. um,
you have two younger sister.

2199
02:16:49,907 --> 02:16:53,900
The other thing I'll say is that
Women are naturally more

2200
02:16:53,900 --> 02:16:56,299
intuitive of that.
I have no doubt.

2201
02:16:56,299 --> 02:17:02,600
So I don't worry about the whole
qualified thing. but, The point

2202
02:17:02,600 --> 02:17:05,700
you were making here is 100% on
on point.

2203
02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:10,200
The one thing, one of the things
I love so much about the

2204
02:17:10,200 --> 02:17:12,100
restoration is just what you
brought up right?

2205
02:17:12,100 --> 02:17:16,299
Where traditional Christianity
tends to look at the body as the

2206
02:17:16,299 --> 02:17:18,900
barrier between you and God,
right.

2207
02:17:18,900 --> 02:17:21,799
You'll never be able to really
see him or commune with him

2208
02:17:21,799 --> 02:17:24,900
because you got this flush in
the way Mormonism.

2209
02:17:24,900 --> 02:17:27,700
Turns out on his head and said,
no, no, you're, you're Humanity

2210
02:17:27,700 --> 02:17:31,500
can be holy when you Bridal, all
these passions and appetites.

2211
02:17:31,500 --> 02:17:36,600
It's it's a net positive, not a
negative in your experience, as

2212
02:17:36,600 --> 02:17:43,100
a spiritual being.
Bridget. the other thing I would

2213
02:17:43,100 --> 02:17:47,299
say is that, All those things
you talked about, right?

2214
02:17:47,299 --> 02:17:51,299
And it's one of the things that
that I find most appalling is

2215
02:17:51,299 --> 02:17:54,100
the idea that having kids just
wrecks things, right?

2216
02:17:54,100 --> 02:17:57,100
Rex a woman's body and beauty is
then gone.

2217
02:17:58,000 --> 02:18:02,100
Know.
In its most Primal sense.

2218
02:18:02,100 --> 02:18:04,900
We are feeling the measure of
our Creation in those moments.

2219
02:18:05,799 --> 02:18:10,500
and rather than look at, Stretch
marks or something like that.

2220
02:18:10,500 --> 02:18:15,600
With a negative connotation that
should be just like you were

2221
02:18:15,600 --> 02:18:17,200
talking about the marks of
Christ.

2222
02:18:17,200 --> 02:18:21,900
Those need to be Those need to
have a certain sense of

2223
02:18:21,907 --> 02:18:26,799
reverence attached to them and
it it's it becomes incumbent

2224
02:18:26,799 --> 02:18:29,700
upon from the masculine side of
things, right?

2225
02:18:30,900 --> 02:18:37,000
for me, to raise my boys in such
a way to say, don't ever.

2226
02:18:37,799 --> 02:18:46,600
encroach on something as holy as
that with your With an overdose

2227
02:18:46,600 --> 02:18:50,500
of testosterone, understand what
they are bringing them back.

2228
02:18:50,500 --> 02:18:54,700
Understand what this is, but
this is this is the job of

2229
02:18:54,700 --> 02:18:58,400
parents, right?
And these are conversations that

2230
02:18:58,400 --> 02:19:02,299
we need to have with our youth,
both From the male and the

2231
02:19:02,307 --> 02:19:07,400
female side of things. as far as
like stretch marks or scars or

2232
02:19:07,400 --> 02:19:12,700
anything like that goes, due to
some of my background, I have

2233
02:19:13,500 --> 02:19:19,900
Scars self-harm scars on my arm.
And there's a song by I am they

2234
02:19:19,900 --> 02:19:23,299
called scars and it's talking
about Christ scars but that's

2235
02:19:23,299 --> 02:19:25,700
not high interpreted it at
first.

2236
02:19:25,700 --> 02:19:30,900
Um, but it says waking up to new
Sunrise.

2237
02:19:30,900 --> 02:19:32,700
Looking back from the other
side, I can see.

2238
02:19:32,700 --> 02:19:36,100
Now with open eyes darkest water
and deepest pain, I want to

2239
02:19:36,100 --> 02:19:39,600
trade it for anything because my
broken is brought me to you.

2240
02:19:39,600 --> 02:19:41,400
And these wounds are a story
you'll use.

2241
02:19:41,400 --> 02:19:44,400
So I'm thankful for the scars
because without them, I wouldn't

2242
02:19:44,400 --> 02:19:46,799
know your heart and I know
they'll always tell of who you

2243
02:19:46,807 --> 02:19:47,700
are.
So forever.

2244
02:19:47,700 --> 02:19:50,500
I am thankful for the scars.
Absolutely.

2245
02:19:50,500 --> 02:19:56,000
Okay so Joey Joey, Quoted Bob
Dylan.

2246
02:19:56,000 --> 02:19:57,200
Now I'm gonna quote Jimmy
Buffett.

2247
02:19:57,200 --> 02:20:01,400
There's a great song that he
wrote for his wife actually.

2248
02:20:02,800 --> 02:20:06,400
And it was born out of just kind
of what we're talking about

2249
02:20:06,400 --> 02:20:09,100
here, right?
Look at what age is done to my

2250
02:20:09,108 --> 02:20:11,900
body and having kids has done to
my body and he's got this great

2251
02:20:11,900 --> 02:20:13,700
line.
Did he said?

2252
02:20:14,500 --> 02:20:20,200
Wrinkles only go where the
smiles have been. and, Rather

2253
02:20:20,200 --> 02:20:23,300
than look at those things, as
marks that are left over from

2254
02:20:23,300 --> 02:20:27,100
something traumatic.
I think we should make the

2255
02:20:27,100 --> 02:20:30,200
conscious effort to say, man,
you remember that beautiful

2256
02:20:30,200 --> 02:20:34,600
experience you remember. you
know as as a look and maybe I'm

2257
02:20:34,600 --> 02:20:38,000
a little tender in this because
Tanya and I just had a baby and

2258
02:20:38,000 --> 02:20:45,600
I didn't think I'd have any more
once Amber and I were done, We

2259
02:20:45,600 --> 02:20:47,600
missed something.
When we don't look back on those

2260
02:20:47,600 --> 02:20:50,700
times with a certain amount of
fondness and and lovingness.

2261
02:20:53,300 --> 02:20:57,900
I think this is, you know, when
I made of the notes, he did.

2262
02:20:57,908 --> 02:21:00,200
Oh yeah.
Um yeah, yeah.

2263
02:21:00,208 --> 02:21:02,100
I think the other the other side
of this.

2264
02:21:03,200 --> 02:21:06,100
Is.
There is.

2265
02:21:07,600 --> 02:21:10,800
A really tragic thing.
And again, this is screwtape.

2266
02:21:10,800 --> 02:21:15,000
I swear half, my theology is
from the book and then you have

2267
02:21:15,000 --> 02:21:18,900
not read the script letters, I
guess, here's my club, okay?

2268
02:21:20,100 --> 02:21:24,100
Basically it's a bunch of
letters rich in by a demon who

2269
02:21:24,100 --> 02:21:26,200
is kind of high up in the demon
higher hierarchy.

2270
02:21:27,000 --> 02:21:31,100
To his nephew.
So the one guy named screwtape

2271
02:21:31,100 --> 02:21:32,300
and his nephew name is
worldwide.

2272
02:21:32,300 --> 02:21:35,500
Warmer just graduated from
tempting, college, and got his

2273
02:21:35,500 --> 02:21:38,000
first human.
He's not really sure how to do

2274
02:21:38,000 --> 02:21:40,400
this whole time thing.
So he's riding let us to his

2275
02:21:40,400 --> 02:21:42,900
uncle and then the letter, she
gets response are what's in the

2276
02:21:42,900 --> 02:21:44,900
book.
It sounds silly.

2277
02:21:44,900 --> 02:21:48,700
It isn't the top floor books
that changed my entire view on

2278
02:21:48,700 --> 02:21:52,100
the world. because again, it
talks about the spiritual

2279
02:21:52,100 --> 02:21:56,800
reality of things and anyway,
but going back to what he said

2280
02:21:56,800 --> 02:22:02,000
about the beauty standards are
crafted to be such that the you

2281
02:22:02,000 --> 02:22:05,000
know, having children wrecks.
Wrecks them.

2282
02:22:05,000 --> 02:22:09,300
And I think part of this also
is, we see this now and this is,

2283
02:22:09,300 --> 02:22:13,300
this is honestly, the sort of
impetus for this podcast because

2284
02:22:13,300 --> 02:22:20,900
we're both in Utah and You talk
culture is So Vain, it is up.

2285
02:22:20,900 --> 02:22:23,500
Its supposed to be, we're
supposed to be Zion.

2286
02:22:23,500 --> 02:22:27,400
We're supposed to be sort of the
stronghold of the Saints and I

2287
02:22:27,400 --> 02:22:31,300
drive 20 minutes from my house
down to Provo and I see three

2288
02:22:31,300 --> 02:22:35,200
plastic surgery Billboards.
In fact, the plastic surgery

2289
02:22:35,200 --> 02:22:39,000
rates in Utah, rival that of
SoCal and Miami.

2290
02:22:41,200 --> 02:22:46,300
Which is an atrocity.
Absolutely.

2291
02:22:46,300 --> 02:22:48,600
Absolutely.
You know there was another

2292
02:22:48,600 --> 02:22:51,400
interesting because I in
preparation for this I just did

2293
02:22:51,400 --> 02:22:55,500
some some preliminary kind of
quick research there.

2294
02:22:57,100 --> 02:23:00,900
Not only is the advertising on
Park, so, the procedures being

2295
02:23:00,900 --> 02:23:07,300
done. um, the only one that's
that's more than Utah is

2296
02:23:07,300 --> 02:23:10,000
California for for cosmetic
surgery.

2297
02:23:11,600 --> 02:23:16,100
In addition to that and I think
these two go hand in hand.

2298
02:23:16,100 --> 02:23:20,600
Um I don't know how yet, I got
to do some more looking at this

2299
02:23:20,600 --> 02:23:23,100
and maybe maybe you ladies have
have the answer here.

2300
02:23:24,900 --> 02:23:29,600
In that same time that we have
seen cosmetic surgery, take a

2301
02:23:29,600 --> 02:23:33,600
dramatic shift.
We have all seen A dramatic

2302
02:23:33,600 --> 02:23:36,700
shift in the amount of abortions
that are happening in the state

2303
02:23:36,700 --> 02:23:37,200
of Utah.
Right.

2304
02:23:37,200 --> 02:23:41,300
Okay, you tall had more
abortions this year than

2305
02:23:41,300 --> 02:23:44,800
Missouri.
Let's put that into perspective.

2306
02:23:46,700 --> 02:23:51,200
That means.
You talk with one major

2307
02:23:51,200 --> 02:23:53,700
metropolitan area.
I know Saint George's kind of

2308
02:23:53,700 --> 02:23:59,900
big, but not really, you can
say, That a state.

2309
02:24:00,900 --> 02:24:07,600
With less population.
With less Urban environment. has

2310
02:24:07,600 --> 02:24:14,000
more abortions than a state like
Missouri that has I would say

2311
02:24:14,000 --> 02:24:18,200
probably three.
Major metropolitan areas.

2312
02:24:19,300 --> 02:24:21,800
Saint.
Louis Kansas City and Jefferson

2313
02:24:21,800 --> 02:24:26,200
City.
And so this problem that you're

2314
02:24:26,200 --> 02:24:30,400
you're talking about Zoe I think
there are so many more things

2315
02:24:30,400 --> 02:24:33,200
that go along with this than
just the Cosmetic thing.

2316
02:24:33,200 --> 02:24:37,300
I think that this sickness of
the soul that has been thrust

2317
02:24:37,300 --> 02:24:41,100
upon the sisters that we have to
contend with now and wrestle

2318
02:24:41,100 --> 02:24:45,400
with and quite frankly in Utah,
Charlie Kirk was right, people

2319
02:24:45,400 --> 02:24:50,700
forget that the last thing he
did Before he was killed, was he

2320
02:24:50,700 --> 02:24:54,200
called the LDS church and
Mormons to repentance, right?

2321
02:24:54,200 --> 02:24:59,000
It was a very sweet call but it
was a call nonetheless where he

2322
02:24:59,000 --> 02:25:01,200
says, you guys got to get your
mojo back.

2323
02:25:01,200 --> 02:25:04,000
I used to love how you guys you
should have more kids then you

2324
02:25:04,000 --> 02:25:07,700
could afford, right.
I love your missionary effort.

2325
02:25:09,500 --> 02:25:12,900
This is got to get figured out
quickly or you talk.

2326
02:25:14,000 --> 02:25:17,700
Will become quite frankly.
Los Angeles light.

2327
02:25:17,700 --> 02:25:21,300
I think it already is.
I mean there's there's a

2328
02:25:21,308 --> 02:25:25,800
prophecy on Wednesday will be
the wickedest city on the face.

2329
02:25:25,800 --> 02:25:30,200
I think we're already getting
very close and on the abortion

2330
02:25:30,200 --> 02:25:36,100
thing going back to the idea
that Think the the ancient

2331
02:25:36,100 --> 02:25:39,500
evils.
So as restorationists we believe

2332
02:25:39,500 --> 02:25:43,400
in the ancient good, right.
You believe that we have the

2333
02:25:43,400 --> 02:25:46,300
religion that was given to Adam
or we want to you know, and the

2334
02:25:46,300 --> 02:25:49,600
temple rights that were given to
Adam and all of these things and

2335
02:25:49,600 --> 02:25:52,400
the corresponding side of that,
the people don't want to think

2336
02:25:52,400 --> 02:25:56,100
about is that there's the
equivalent on the other side.

2337
02:25:57,000 --> 02:25:58,000
Right.
Talk about this.

2338
02:25:58,000 --> 02:26:01,600
Yes, your master Mayhem and then
in the Book of Mormon, it's all

2339
02:26:01,600 --> 02:26:04,600
the same stuff and we have that
now.

2340
02:26:05,500 --> 02:26:08,900
And so there's a story and I
believe it's the Book of Enoch

2341
02:26:08,900 --> 02:26:11,200
with Book of Joshua.
So one of this sort of extra

2342
02:26:11,200 --> 02:26:15,500
biblical texts, yes it is it.
Okay?

2343
02:26:15,500 --> 02:26:18,100
So it's Enoch and that's a whole
different conversation.

2344
02:26:18,100 --> 02:26:24,800
I think that there is a not
wisdom in such a, not canon, but

2345
02:26:24,800 --> 02:26:28,500
in it talks about the evil
angels, basically coming down

2346
02:26:28,500 --> 02:26:33,800
and giving the rights of
Darkness to Kane and to his

2347
02:26:33,800 --> 02:26:38,800
followers and among these things
is the knowledge about how to do

2348
02:26:38,808 --> 02:26:41,800
a abortions.
So that the women stay beautiful

2349
02:26:41,800 --> 02:26:46,500
and Young, Because because part
of this whole thing with the

2350
02:26:46,500 --> 02:26:48,400
beauty standards and this is
something that I'm also very

2351
02:26:48,400 --> 02:26:53,300
passionate about is it is
because the devil twist things,

2352
02:26:53,300 --> 02:26:55,100
right?
All of his stuff, he doesn't

2353
02:26:55,100 --> 02:26:57,800
actually have anything new.
It's all just the counterfeit

2354
02:26:57,800 --> 02:27:03,300
perverted versions of the light.
And part of this is there's this

2355
02:27:03,300 --> 02:27:07,800
quest for eternal life, right?
It is consumed Humanity from the

2356
02:27:07,800 --> 02:27:10,000
beginning, right?
One of our very oldest stories.

2357
02:27:10,000 --> 02:27:12,900
We have is the Epic of Gilgamesh
and in the Epic of Gilgamesh,

2358
02:27:14,100 --> 02:27:19,100
Quest for eternal life, right?
Little mesh is best friend gets

2359
02:27:19,100 --> 02:27:22,100
killed and then he spends the
rest of his life or rest of the

2360
02:27:22,100 --> 02:27:24,300
story.
Trying to find this plane that

2361
02:27:24,300 --> 02:27:26,200
will get him eternal life
because he realizes that he's

2362
02:27:26,208 --> 02:27:28,400
going to die.
That's, that's the very

2363
02:27:28,400 --> 02:27:29,800
beginning.
That's the curse.

2364
02:27:29,800 --> 02:27:33,100
You're going to die now, but
that always means before that,

2365
02:27:33,100 --> 02:27:36,800
we were going to.
And so We are internal beings

2366
02:27:36,800 --> 02:27:41,100
and we can feel that.
We are part in US knows that

2367
02:27:41,100 --> 02:27:44,700
were supposed to live forever.
And we're not living forever.

2368
02:27:44,700 --> 02:27:49,200
And so, the proper way of going
about this is to say well we

2369
02:27:49,200 --> 02:27:52,400
have a turtle life in Christ
Jesus, we're going to die but

2370
02:27:52,400 --> 02:27:55,800
there's another life.
I'm in that, we are turtle

2371
02:27:55,800 --> 02:27:57,100
beings are going to live
forever.

2372
02:27:57,800 --> 02:28:02,300
But the improper version is the
Quest for eternal life and

2373
02:28:02,300 --> 02:28:05,200
eternal youth here.
And now in these corrupted

2374
02:28:05,200 --> 02:28:08,200
bodies, and you see this all
over from the sort of the

2375
02:28:08,208 --> 02:28:11,900
Philosopher's Stone, right?
The idea that all the Alchemy in

2376
02:28:11,900 --> 02:28:15,100
the Middle Ages is around trying
to make the Philosopher's Stone

2377
02:28:15,108 --> 02:28:17,100
from which you make the elixir
of life.

2378
02:28:18,000 --> 02:28:23,000
Or, and so that I see this in
all of the plastic surgery and

2379
02:28:23,000 --> 02:28:25,600
the boat talks.
So, the face lifts and the one

2380
02:28:25,600 --> 02:28:28,000
who abort having children,
because you're trying to stay

2381
02:28:28,000 --> 02:28:31,500
young and beautiful, you're
trying to force the eternal

2382
02:28:31,500 --> 02:28:34,200
life.
Without realizing where it

2383
02:28:34,200 --> 02:28:36,000
actually comes from.
And when you're actually going

2384
02:28:36,000 --> 02:28:39,600
to get it, How you attain it,
right?

2385
02:28:40,800 --> 02:28:45,200
How do you attain it?
Um, and it's very interesting

2386
02:28:45,200 --> 02:28:51,100
that once again it's it's the
enemy of assault.

2387
02:28:51,900 --> 02:28:54,700
Right, the adversary who's
taking something that's very

2388
02:28:54,700 --> 02:28:57,800
innate that's buried.
Within each, one of us that

2389
02:28:57,800 --> 02:29:01,400
quest for eternal life.
I don't care what culture it is

2390
02:29:01,400 --> 02:29:03,500
you can go back and look at all
the cultures.

2391
02:29:03,500 --> 02:29:10,400
They all have some recipe for
attaining it and Once again,

2392
02:29:10,400 --> 02:29:14,200
he's taken that something that's
innate and beautiful within the

2393
02:29:14,200 --> 02:29:17,900
human experience at quest for
immortality and it's been

2394
02:29:17,900 --> 02:29:21,600
Twisted, right?
It's been remolded into

2395
02:29:21,600 --> 02:29:24,100
something that it doesn't belong
to.

2396
02:29:25,800 --> 02:29:29,100
Write. this is again, it's We
try to.

2397
02:29:30,400 --> 02:29:31,600
Greece house without going
through.

2398
02:29:33,400 --> 02:29:35,100
Christ.
And in this, we're cursed.

2399
02:29:36,100 --> 02:29:38,500
Absolutely.
How much money?

2400
02:29:39,300 --> 02:29:43,800
Must be spent, how much?
Yeah.

2401
02:29:45,000 --> 02:29:47,400
Yep.
We look at all of it, right?

2402
02:29:47,400 --> 02:29:53,900
And I can't help, but Wonder
What are the real conditions of

2403
02:29:53,900 --> 02:29:56,900
the marriage is involved, right?
What is it?

2404
02:29:58,300 --> 02:30:01,000
And look, you ladies can correct
me here if I'm wrong on this.

2405
02:30:02,100 --> 02:30:06,000
But I look at a married woman
who maybe has three or four kids

2406
02:30:06,000 --> 02:30:09,200
who feels the need to go get
plastic surgery.

2407
02:30:11,500 --> 02:30:13,300
Is she not getting the
validation?

2408
02:30:13,300 --> 02:30:18,300
She needs from her husband?
Is there a sense of insecurity

2409
02:30:18,300 --> 02:30:22,700
within the marriage?
That is pushing for this just a

2410
02:30:22,700 --> 02:30:24,800
thought.
It must be.

2411
02:30:31,900 --> 02:30:34,700
Others gift.
Um, High School, graduation gift

2412
02:30:34,700 --> 02:30:37,800
to her sister's was breast
implants.

2413
02:30:38,600 --> 02:30:42,300
And plastic surgery and it was
pushed very much within the

2414
02:30:42,300 --> 02:30:45,300
house of like this is the way
you're supposed to look.

2415
02:30:45,300 --> 02:30:48,100
This is the way you're supposed
to be, and this is what you need

2416
02:30:48,100 --> 02:30:50,500
to do.
And so sometimes it's sometimes

2417
02:30:50,500 --> 02:30:53,600
it is a merging and then
insecurity and not.

2418
02:30:54,500 --> 02:30:56,900
Feeling that love or feeling
beautiful from the husband.

2419
02:30:56,900 --> 02:31:03,100
Sometimes it's pushed on by
mothers by Friends by society

2420
02:31:03,100 --> 02:31:08,800
and yeah, so it's either that.
Yeah and if it is within a

2421
02:31:08,800 --> 02:31:12,800
marriage and either that your
husband Isn't loving you, the

2422
02:31:12,800 --> 02:31:19,700
way he supposed to. because, You
know, I think I I very there are

2423
02:31:19,708 --> 02:31:23,900
definitely people and you know,
once the wife's Beauty Fades,

2424
02:31:23,900 --> 02:31:27,600
he's worried, he's going to go
off and cheat or he makes

2425
02:31:27,600 --> 02:31:30,800
comments about oh well.
So you know all in tagging

2426
02:31:30,800 --> 02:31:35,800
wrinkled and all that.
Um or the other option is, I'm

2427
02:31:35,800 --> 02:31:39,700
sure that I'm sure that this is
some of it is if you want

2428
02:31:39,700 --> 02:31:43,000
validation from outside of your
marriage not necessarily to the

2429
02:31:43,000 --> 02:31:45,900
extent of an affair but just
Instagram or yeah.

2430
02:31:45,900 --> 02:31:49,500
And and then they're not going
to love you unless you are

2431
02:31:49,500 --> 02:31:53,700
physically beautiful.
And so then, There's also we

2432
02:31:53,700 --> 02:31:58,500
live in a world where the most
beautiful people in the world

2433
02:31:58,500 --> 02:32:04,500
are plastered everywhere for us
all to see and people who have

2434
02:32:04,508 --> 02:32:10,000
had work done to hide in their
beauty and that's not normal,

2435
02:32:10,000 --> 02:32:17,100
that didn't used to happen.
It used to be um, Taylor's of

2436
02:32:17,100 --> 02:32:19,600
the sea.
I can't remember in magnetic

2437
02:32:19,600 --> 02:32:22,900
from quotes, a book and I think
it's Heroes of the Sienna.

2438
02:32:22,900 --> 02:32:25,400
It describes.
It was not something to see.

2439
02:32:25,408 --> 02:32:27,700
It's another classical
literature but and it's just

2440
02:32:27,700 --> 02:32:30,600
driving this woman and how
everybody loves her and how

2441
02:32:30,600 --> 02:32:33,900
amazing and beautiful she is.
And then later on in the book,

2442
02:32:33,900 --> 02:32:37,600
it's like, Yeah, she's been but
like, her nose isn't quite

2443
02:32:37,600 --> 02:32:38,900
right.
And her ears are a little

2444
02:32:38,908 --> 02:32:42,500
different, but she was a
beautiful because of who she was

2445
02:32:42,500 --> 02:32:45,200
and how she acted.
This reminds me of Amelia for

2446
02:32:45,200 --> 02:32:47,800
Vanity Fair.
It might have been Vanity Fair.

2447
02:32:47,800 --> 02:32:50,500
Yeah, because I know one of
them, they caught a Dorset from

2448
02:32:50,500 --> 02:32:53,300
toys of the sea and then there
was another one, it's remember,

2449
02:32:53,300 --> 02:32:55,800
no.
It's in its Vanity, Fair by

2450
02:32:55,800 --> 02:33:01,900
William sat Factory.
Yeah. you know, I think all so,

2451
02:33:03,100 --> 02:33:07,800
Like I do want to carve out of
space here a little bit, which

2452
02:33:07,800 --> 02:33:11,900
is in.
This only comes from kind of a

2453
02:33:11,900 --> 02:33:15,400
personal experience, I had
Again, I had a guy that worked

2454
02:33:15,400 --> 02:33:19,200
for me and his wife was in a car
accident.

2455
02:33:19,200 --> 02:33:23,200
I mean, bad car accident.
And she got really scarred up.

2456
02:33:23,200 --> 02:33:30,700
I mean really scared up bad and
This guy was like, he was a

2457
02:33:30,700 --> 02:33:35,100
great husband, he really was.
Um, so that wasn't the thing.

2458
02:33:36,800 --> 02:33:40,500
But this woman just didn't feel
right, she had this one massive

2459
02:33:40,500 --> 02:33:42,700
scar that just kind of went
right through here.

2460
02:33:43,700 --> 02:33:47,200
And it really messed with her
right to the point that affected

2461
02:33:47,200 --> 02:33:51,200
her.
Her confidence in that sort of

2462
02:33:51,208 --> 02:33:53,400
thing.
And she really wanted to get the

2463
02:33:53,400 --> 02:33:58,500
work done.
And I remember, he said, Okay, I

2464
02:33:58,500 --> 02:34:00,600
just don't feel like it's
necessary, right?

2465
02:34:00,600 --> 02:34:03,700
I feel like, she's, you know,
she should know that I love her

2466
02:34:03,700 --> 02:34:05,800
and, and that, you know, that
should be enough.

2467
02:34:07,000 --> 02:34:09,400
But she did get the procedure
and afterwards.

2468
02:34:09,400 --> 02:34:12,700
She got some of that confidence
back, right?

2469
02:34:12,700 --> 02:34:15,900
And so that's one place where I
kind of looked at it and went Is

2470
02:34:15,900 --> 02:34:18,200
it all bad, right?
I mean, this was obviously

2471
02:34:18,200 --> 02:34:22,100
coming from her a place in her,
right?

2472
02:34:22,100 --> 02:34:25,500
That wasn't external.
It was one of those things that

2473
02:34:25,500 --> 02:34:29,500
she felt not I don't know.
I, in my opinion, I think that's

2474
02:34:29,500 --> 02:34:32,300
probably if you're going to use
Plus Insurance.

2475
02:34:32,300 --> 02:34:34,500
That's probably kind of the
scenario, right?

2476
02:34:34,500 --> 02:34:38,200
Oh, I don't think everything
like that.

2477
02:34:38,200 --> 02:34:42,800
Like, I know some people who say
like, Makeup is of the devil and

2478
02:34:42,800 --> 02:34:46,600
if you wear it, it's a sin.
And it's like, okay, whoa, let's

2479
02:34:46,600 --> 02:34:52,200
take a deep breath.
There's studies done on how How

2480
02:34:52,200 --> 02:34:53,700
if you dress certain ways?
It affects my right.

2481
02:34:53,700 --> 02:34:57,200
So like if you wear a suit, or
if a woman wears a dress or

2482
02:34:57,200 --> 02:35:01,300
things like that, she often acts
and believes that she's more

2483
02:35:01,300 --> 02:35:03,600
confident.
Where if you walk around and

2484
02:35:03,600 --> 02:35:06,800
sweat, then you don't carry
yourself, you tend to be more

2485
02:35:06,800 --> 02:35:08,500
slouched.
You tend to be less confident,

2486
02:35:08,500 --> 02:35:11,600
things like that and so I don't
think there's anything

2487
02:35:11,600 --> 02:35:16,300
necessarily wrong.
The question is more motivation

2488
02:35:16,300 --> 02:35:19,200
and are you setting unrealistic
standards and things like that?

2489
02:35:19,200 --> 02:35:24,800
Second that was saying I am very
glad that the plastic surgery

2490
02:35:24,800 --> 02:35:26,900
like we have things.
We can do now, which you can

2491
02:35:26,908 --> 02:35:29,700
never do before.
And like, I have a sister who

2492
02:35:29,700 --> 02:35:33,500
had a cleft lip Right?
When she was born hasn't

2493
02:35:33,500 --> 02:35:36,500
prepared, you can tell did a
little bit of a scar but and I

2494
02:35:36,500 --> 02:35:38,800
think that things like that or
if you get an accident, like

2495
02:35:38,800 --> 02:35:41,400
there's good to be done with all
of this.

2496
02:35:41,400 --> 02:35:44,600
And I don't think that saying,
oh, I want to look normal.

2497
02:35:44,600 --> 02:35:47,500
Yeah.
Is a sin?

2498
02:35:47,500 --> 02:35:50,400
Yeah, I don't think that sort of
surgery is gonna send, sometimes

2499
02:35:50,400 --> 02:35:53,900
people do things and there's
even a distinction, um, in

2500
02:35:53,900 --> 02:35:56,100
Insurance codes which is the
most.

2501
02:35:56,108 --> 02:36:03,900
Holy document first but
basically, if a plastic surgery

2502
02:36:03,900 --> 02:36:10,100
is reconstructive, so, one
example, being fixing a scarf or

2503
02:36:10,100 --> 02:36:14,600
facing a cleft lip or somebody
has a mastectomy for breast

2504
02:36:14,600 --> 02:36:17,800
cancer, like reconstructing that
Normally insurance has to pay

2505
02:36:17,808 --> 02:36:22,600
for it versus if it's just
elective because oh I want to be

2506
02:36:22,600 --> 02:36:26,600
a job.
Oh, I want a facelift. and I

2507
02:36:26,600 --> 02:36:29,700
think that, It's a good
distinction to make.

2508
02:36:29,708 --> 02:36:35,200
Yeah, and just give insurance
companies a compliment very

2509
02:36:35,200 --> 02:36:38,200
sarcastically, but yes.
Okay, I just had to check.

2510
02:36:38,200 --> 02:36:43,700
All right, I was doing some
researchers recently, um, on

2511
02:36:43,700 --> 02:36:47,000
like grinding teeth because
there's a thing.

2512
02:36:47,000 --> 02:36:50,400
Oh, I forget what it's called,
but there's a disorder where

2513
02:36:50,400 --> 02:36:53,700
like, you grind your teeth a lot
in your sleep every night and it

2514
02:36:53,700 --> 02:36:56,000
causes the shoes on.
One of the things that they'll

2515
02:36:56,000 --> 02:36:59,700
do for that is actually both
talks and Jax and to help with

2516
02:36:59,700 --> 02:37:02,200
it so that you don't grind your
teeth that much.

2517
02:37:02,200 --> 02:37:07,400
And so all of these like,
There's God doesn't make things

2518
02:37:07,400 --> 02:37:09,800
just to make things.
There's usually a use for that.

2519
02:37:09,800 --> 02:37:13,400
It's all about wisdom.
And how are you using them are

2520
02:37:13,400 --> 02:37:17,800
using them correctly things like
that and everyone's case is

2521
02:37:17,800 --> 02:37:21,700
going to be individual and so
like making a blatant statement

2522
02:37:21,700 --> 02:37:25,400
and going plastic surgeries bad
for everyone always is not good.

2523
02:37:25,400 --> 02:37:29,300
It's go to God about it.
What's your motivation?

2524
02:37:29,300 --> 02:37:34,000
Why do you want to do it?
Absolutely 100% And one of the

2525
02:37:34,000 --> 02:37:41,000
things one of those examples
something could be considered

2526
02:37:41,000 --> 02:37:44,200
plastic surgery, but I think you
have the people who are you

2527
02:37:44,200 --> 02:37:47,300
know, 600 pounds they get
gastric bypass surgery lose a

2528
02:37:47,300 --> 02:37:49,100
bunch of weight and then they
have loose skin.

2529
02:37:50,600 --> 02:37:54,100
And as I flapping around and
getting irritated and people got

2530
02:37:54,100 --> 02:37:59,200
that removed and I think that's
probably good but it does it

2531
02:37:59,200 --> 02:38:01,100
again.
It's where do you where do you

2532
02:38:01,108 --> 02:38:04,300
think your beauty comes from?
Where do you think about comes

2533
02:38:04,300 --> 02:38:06,000
from?
Do you think it comes from me

2534
02:38:06,000 --> 02:38:08,000
external or do you think it
comes from the internals?

2535
02:38:08,000 --> 02:38:12,900
There's a scripture first Peter
3. um Three three and four,

2536
02:38:12,908 --> 02:38:15,800
which is do not let your
adornment be external the

2537
02:38:15,800 --> 02:38:18,200
braiding of hair and wearing of
gold ornaments, but let it be

2538
02:38:18,208 --> 02:38:22,100
the secret person of the heart
and increment of the quiet and

2539
02:38:22,100 --> 02:38:25,200
Mild spirit.
Absolutely.

2540
02:38:25,200 --> 02:38:28,100
That's a great quote.
Yeah and so I think, I think

2541
02:38:28,100 --> 02:38:32,100
what we're trying to say is more
To that, you should realize.

2542
02:38:33,200 --> 02:38:38,500
that the value or the beauty,
um, Your value is don't be

2543
02:38:38,500 --> 02:38:40,200
though it being physical does
not.

2544
02:38:40,208 --> 02:38:42,900
Come from with the world says
beautiful.

2545
02:38:42,900 --> 02:38:46,400
Yeah.
On your percent and remember,

2546
02:38:46,400 --> 02:38:48,400
the worth of souls is great in
the side of God.

2547
02:38:48,400 --> 02:38:52,300
If you are attaching any of
these physical external things

2548
02:38:52,300 --> 02:38:54,800
to your worth, you might want to
read evaluate.

2549
02:38:54,800 --> 02:38:58,100
Something's On your percent,
which look Society is done,

2550
02:38:58,100 --> 02:39:00,400
right?
That I'm not breaking any news

2551
02:39:00,400 --> 02:39:02,500
there.
It's, it's absolutely the

2552
02:39:02,500 --> 02:39:06,500
direction, it's gone.
And If if the plastic surgery

2553
02:39:06,500 --> 02:39:09,700
that was getting done was just
like we were talking about

2554
02:39:09,700 --> 02:39:12,600
restorative there'd be a lot
less of them out there.

2555
02:39:12,600 --> 02:39:15,900
Um The fact that there's so
many.

2556
02:39:17,200 --> 02:39:20,800
Tells you what you need to know.
Yeah, that this is more about

2557
02:39:20,800 --> 02:39:24,500
vanity.
This is more about a an

2558
02:39:24,500 --> 02:39:27,100
aesthetic.
That is portrayed that I'm sorry

2559
02:39:27,100 --> 02:39:33,600
is not normal at, all right?
Um, You know.

2560
02:39:34,500 --> 02:39:40,500
For every one person that had
wins pardoning expression, wins

2561
02:39:40,500 --> 02:39:43,100
the genetic Lottery, and
everything is like, the golden

2562
02:39:43,100 --> 02:39:46,300
ratio.
There is the rest of us where,

2563
02:39:46,300 --> 02:39:52,600
it's not, and And so we need to
understand that.

2564
02:39:52,600 --> 02:39:57,200
Yeah, there are some people that
just kind of want, you know, won

2565
02:39:57,200 --> 02:40:01,400
the lottery, right?
And then that's not the norm

2566
02:40:01,400 --> 02:40:04,200
though.
And for too long, I've seen the

2567
02:40:04,200 --> 02:40:08,700
exception be portrayed as the
norm to the detriment of a lot

2568
02:40:08,700 --> 02:40:13,400
of people men and women.
So what other just things about

2569
02:40:13,400 --> 02:40:18,500
Utah and Utah standards because
it's it's a criticism that often

2570
02:40:18,500 --> 02:40:23,300
gets leveled at the church by
opponents of Mormonism.

2571
02:40:23,300 --> 02:40:28,200
So I am I living a really funny
sort of limbo being

2572
02:40:28,200 --> 02:40:31,600
restorationist or more and not
being all the yes because a lot

2573
02:40:31,608 --> 02:40:35,600
of the criticisms of Les church.
I feel like I think art fairly

2574
02:40:35,600 --> 02:40:38,400
valid and we've made some today.
Yeah.

2575
02:40:38,400 --> 02:40:47,900
Um and part of this is because
whenever you have a place or a

2576
02:40:47,900 --> 02:40:53,100
culture, whether or whether it's
monogamy only, Merit is valued

2577
02:40:53,100 --> 02:40:57,200
and you have a substantial
imbalance in gender ratios.

2578
02:40:57,200 --> 02:41:03,400
Then there becomes problems.
So want to, you know, This is

2579
02:41:03,408 --> 02:41:07,800
this is a sort of secular
example but in like I was

2580
02:41:07,800 --> 02:41:09,700
watching this thing about a
sewing up, I don't.

2581
02:41:09,700 --> 02:41:14,000
But in Estonia the ratio of men
women is pretty skew.

2582
02:41:14,000 --> 02:41:17,600
There's a lot more women than
their arm and For whatever

2583
02:41:17,600 --> 02:41:19,900
reason, I'm not gonna try and
talk about Estonian

2584
02:41:19,900 --> 02:41:22,400
demographics.
I'm very, very not qualified to

2585
02:41:22,400 --> 02:41:26,000
do that.
But oh, what are the things that

2586
02:41:26,000 --> 02:41:28,900
the spirit was saying person was
saying, is that women will get

2587
02:41:28,908 --> 02:41:31,700
dolled up to the nines just like
go to the grocery store.

2588
02:41:33,400 --> 02:41:36,800
Um, because there's this intense
competition right in the LDS

2589
02:41:36,800 --> 02:41:38,300
church.
There's an article from time

2590
02:41:38,300 --> 02:41:41,300
called datanomix which got
published in 2015.

2591
02:41:42,200 --> 02:41:48,400
And it talks about something
which is we see in Seattle,

2592
02:41:48,400 --> 02:41:51,100
different cultures.
But typically religions have

2593
02:41:51,100 --> 02:41:55,200
more women than men in them.
This is the very standard and

2594
02:41:55,200 --> 02:41:57,700
you can why is a whole different
topic?

2595
02:41:57,700 --> 02:42:00,400
I have heated opinions on it,
but we're not gonna get into it

2596
02:42:00,400 --> 02:42:02,200
because then this podcast will
not end.

2597
02:42:04,200 --> 02:42:05,400
Wanna go.
They're so bad.

2598
02:42:05,400 --> 02:42:10,800
You have no idea. it's Church
according to this article from

2599
02:42:10,800 --> 02:42:20,000
time, which As of 2015.
There were 150 warm, and women

2600
02:42:20,000 --> 02:42:25,700
forever 100, Mormon men in the
state of Utah. 150 women for

2601
02:42:25,700 --> 02:42:30,200
every 100 men. if only that
religion would have come up with

2602
02:42:30,200 --> 02:42:34,800
a way to track, so an ornament
and say, Three women.

2603
02:42:36,000 --> 02:42:40,800
Queens.
Up and being worthy.

2604
02:42:40,800 --> 02:42:43,500
Like be good enough to get
married and everybody was to get

2605
02:42:43,508 --> 02:42:45,600
married.
There would still be.

2606
02:42:46,900 --> 02:42:50,500
A third of the women.
Who they're just not meant for.

2607
02:42:54,500 --> 02:42:57,800
Which is a tragedy because
again, it's a religion that

2608
02:42:57,800 --> 02:43:01,400
places even greater than normal
emphasis on marriage, then, just

2609
02:43:01,400 --> 02:43:03,500
Christianity because you have to
be married to be exalted.

2610
02:43:03,500 --> 02:43:08,600
And there's a lot of angst
around this, and I, I see.

2611
02:43:08,600 --> 02:43:11,200
So my peers who are LDS and I'm
like, I'm so sorry, because

2612
02:43:11,200 --> 02:43:14,900
statistically, a third of you
are not gonna get married to

2613
02:43:14,900 --> 02:43:18,200
Mormon men.
Think that's just basic math or

2614
02:43:18,200 --> 02:43:21,600
no saddle for someone and who
they want, otherwise sell.

2615
02:43:21,600 --> 02:43:25,100
Well, even just Mormon know, I
mean maybe they'd marry, you

2616
02:43:25,100 --> 02:43:28,100
know, you marry a Baptist or
whatever, and that's is what it

2617
02:43:28,100 --> 02:43:30,800
is.
But as far as even, that's not

2618
02:43:30,800 --> 02:43:32,600
even talking about oh, some of
those men.

2619
02:43:32,600 --> 02:43:33,900
And some of those women are not
marriageable.

2620
02:43:33,900 --> 02:43:39,500
It's not Just net numbers, three
of them will not be able to get

2621
02:43:39,500 --> 02:43:43,100
married.
I'm so what this does is it

2622
02:43:43,100 --> 02:43:46,300
creates an intense amount of
competition, right?

2623
02:43:46,300 --> 02:43:51,200
Because if you aren't up to the
game, if you aren't doing all of

2624
02:43:51,200 --> 02:43:53,600
the things you're not gonna get
picked.

2625
02:43:53,600 --> 02:43:57,600
And again, that is the question
of a woman's heart and my lovely

2626
02:43:57,600 --> 02:44:04,200
m, i desirable am I chose him
and the brutality is most like a

2627
02:44:04,200 --> 02:44:08,000
good chunk of the World Bank?
Because I just not enough men.

2628
02:44:10,200 --> 02:44:13,400
Oh, I'm sorry.
I apologize.

2629
02:44:15,600 --> 02:44:18,800
Go ahead, Dave.
I was gonna ask Michaela you

2630
02:44:18,800 --> 02:44:22,700
just came out of the LDS church.
Do you find the lived experience

2631
02:44:22,700 --> 02:44:25,800
matches the statistics as though
we just brought out.

2632
02:44:29,100 --> 02:44:34,900
I have heard that there are like
as far as convert rates in my

2633
02:44:34,900 --> 02:44:38,200
generation that starting to
switch but mostly yeah.

2634
02:44:40,500 --> 02:44:45,200
I went to YSA because I was
forced to go to the YSA, but

2635
02:44:45,200 --> 02:44:48,900
yeah, there's a lot of women and
a lot of the guys there like

2636
02:44:48,900 --> 02:44:53,300
even talking to the other women,
at why I say activities, they're

2637
02:44:53,300 --> 02:44:57,000
like most of the guys here.
I want to consider dating

2638
02:44:57,000 --> 02:45:00,600
because they're not dateable,
but you do have more women at

2639
02:45:00,600 --> 02:45:06,600
least showing up then men.
So there is a serious issue,

2640
02:45:06,600 --> 02:45:09,300
right?
And so and the funny thing is,

2641
02:45:09,300 --> 02:45:13,200
so this is obviously the LDS
church, it's only right.

2642
02:45:13,200 --> 02:45:19,000
Um At least one at a time, you
get divorced remarried but I one

2643
02:45:19,000 --> 02:45:20,700
time just one partner.
One spouse.

2644
02:45:22,500 --> 02:45:24,700
You can kind of conceal.
Then there's the extra women.

2645
02:45:24,700 --> 02:45:28,400
You can kind of contrast this
with Society, like the flds or

2646
02:45:28,400 --> 02:45:31,000
poly is a requirement.
Almost a requirement.

2647
02:45:31,000 --> 02:45:33,300
Almost the same level as the
monogamy is.

2648
02:45:34,000 --> 02:45:36,800
Are you have to be polygamous to
be exalted, and my personal

2649
02:45:36,800 --> 02:45:38,800
opinion.
I know that there are some, some

2650
02:45:38,800 --> 02:45:42,900
statements from Brigham Young
about requiring me in order for

2651
02:45:42,900 --> 02:45:46,900
Azul to happen.
I have mixed feelings about that

2652
02:45:46,900 --> 02:45:48,200
because mathematically, it
doesn't work.

2653
02:45:49,100 --> 02:45:53,400
Here and um, then you get things
Lost Boys, where young men get

2654
02:45:53,400 --> 02:45:54,500
kicked out because there's not
enough women.

2655
02:45:55,300 --> 02:45:59,900
Um, so I think somewhere in the
middle and then you also have

2656
02:45:59,900 --> 02:46:04,500
from Brigham Young a statement.
Sometimes people forget where he

2657
02:46:04,500 --> 02:46:08,200
said that in the Celestial
Kingdom, there will be men with

2658
02:46:08,208 --> 02:46:13,700
many wives men with one wife and
then men with no wives and so it

2659
02:46:13,700 --> 02:46:16,000
really depends on how you're
defining exaltation.

2660
02:46:16,000 --> 02:46:19,100
Yeah there.
Anyway, that's I think it's not

2661
02:46:19,108 --> 02:46:25,500
a different topic but um it's,
it's again when you have a

2662
02:46:25,500 --> 02:46:29,000
society, like the LDS Church,
There's actually a women,

2663
02:46:29,000 --> 02:46:32,100
there's intense competition and
this feeds into all of these

2664
02:46:32,100 --> 02:46:35,000
Beauty stands, we Beauty stands.
We beauty standards?

2665
02:46:35,800 --> 02:46:39,400
We were talking about.
And so I think again it's a

2666
02:46:39,400 --> 02:46:42,600
situation where there's a
legitimate problem, but the

2667
02:46:42,600 --> 02:46:45,300
solution isn't necessarily to
disavow at all, it's to go

2668
02:46:45,300 --> 02:46:49,500
deeper in to the religion.
Whereas if you have a society in

2669
02:46:49,500 --> 02:46:53,400
which polygamy is allowed, it
reduces all the pressure.

2670
02:46:54,300 --> 02:46:59,200
because, You couldn't you
married man, the men don't take

2671
02:46:59,200 --> 02:47:01,300
out of the day before.
Right.

2672
02:47:02,100 --> 02:47:08,800
Um, and and then even if you
maybe aren't Entirely beautiful.

2673
02:47:10,400 --> 02:47:13,400
You still get a chance to get
married as a woman.

2674
02:47:13,408 --> 02:47:19,600
Um, so an example of this, I
have a sister who is going to be

2675
02:47:19,608 --> 02:47:26,200
in a wheelchair.
Um, and if we were LDS, you

2676
02:47:26,200 --> 02:47:27,700
probably wouldn't end up getting
married.

2677
02:47:29,000 --> 02:47:32,400
And, you know, it's a harsh
reality, but like, if you were

2678
02:47:32,400 --> 02:47:34,300
gonna, if you're gonna choose
between a woman who's able to

2679
02:47:34,300 --> 02:47:36,600
walk on a woman, who's in the
wheelchair, you're gonna choose

2680
02:47:36,600 --> 02:47:39,600
a woman able to walk like if it
does just the choice there, I

2681
02:47:39,600 --> 02:47:43,300
don't go.
The truth be told unless you

2682
02:47:43,300 --> 02:47:45,000
borrowing of voice from heaven
or whatever.

2683
02:47:46,200 --> 02:47:49,100
You don't want to, you don't
want, you can partner to have

2684
02:47:49,100 --> 02:47:56,400
problems, right?
And so, but because we are in

2685
02:47:56,400 --> 02:47:59,600
the now, in a closure that
allows like me, Chances Are Much

2686
02:47:59,608 --> 02:48:06,900
Higher and I think that it would
also sort of heal some of the

2687
02:48:06,900 --> 02:48:10,000
toxicity.
Is saying okay, well, we will

2688
02:48:10,000 --> 02:48:13,000
allow this.
And reduce all the pressure.

2689
02:48:15,200 --> 02:48:19,000
That makes a lot of sense.
Makayla anything you want to add

2690
02:48:19,000 --> 02:48:26,400
to that part?
They're really is.

2691
02:48:29,000 --> 02:48:32,600
A jealousy that woman have kind
of naturally toward each other?

2692
02:48:33,600 --> 02:48:38,600
and I believe with what I looked
into what I read and stuff like

2693
02:48:38,600 --> 02:48:42,200
that, I do believe that when
plural marriage is left

2694
02:48:42,200 --> 02:48:46,500
correctly, it can help the
remedy that hopefully like

2695
02:48:46,500 --> 02:48:50,400
you're working on that wall
before that ever happens just

2696
02:48:50,400 --> 02:48:57,200
bad in general but It can help
to grow love and charity and

2697
02:48:57,200 --> 02:49:01,700
kind feeling.
Something's like that. 100%.

2698
02:49:02,700 --> 02:49:07,300
Okay, so let me, let me ask a
question, that's kind of akin to

2699
02:49:07,308 --> 02:49:10,000
this because it's something that
I have been.

2700
02:49:11,800 --> 02:49:15,800
Quite frankly concerned about
for a while and it goes kind of

2701
02:49:15,808 --> 02:49:17,300
along this.
It doesn't have to do with

2702
02:49:17,300 --> 02:49:19,600
plural marriage but does have to
do with marriage.

2703
02:49:21,400 --> 02:49:23,600
And to make this point, I'm
going to tell a quick story.

2704
02:49:23,600 --> 02:49:26,600
Are we running up against time
for either of, you know?

2705
02:49:26,600 --> 02:49:29,000
I'm sorry.
So.

2706
02:49:29,900 --> 02:49:35,700
Okay, I when I left the LDS
church, I left from a leadership

2707
02:49:35,700 --> 02:49:37,600
position.
I was in a leadership position

2708
02:49:37,600 --> 02:49:44,300
in my ward. and, um, there was
one thing.

2709
02:49:45,600 --> 02:49:48,900
Can't say it was a straw that
broke the camel's back but it

2710
02:49:48,900 --> 02:49:51,400
was definitely one of the things
that was really bugging me.

2711
02:49:52,300 --> 02:49:55,100
Up until that time, I had been a
weekly Temple of tender.

2712
02:49:56,100 --> 02:50:00,200
I went to the temple every
Saturday morning without fail.

2713
02:50:01,700 --> 02:50:05,300
And one morning I walked in and
there used to be a covenant in

2714
02:50:05,300 --> 02:50:08,700
the temple.
In the oldest church where a man

2715
02:50:08,700 --> 02:50:11,500
would Covenant with God, and
then a woman would cover it with

2716
02:50:11,500 --> 02:50:14,800
her husband.
And then, that was just removed.

2717
02:50:17,000 --> 02:50:23,900
and, When?
the, the guy who Was my stake

2718
02:50:23,900 --> 02:50:26,800
president.
Or maybe you're maybe a member

2719
02:50:26,800 --> 02:50:28,200
of the state presidency.
I can't remember.

2720
02:50:28,200 --> 02:50:31,600
Anyway, he were, he was one of
the higher ups at Bonneville

2721
02:50:31,600 --> 02:50:35,300
communication.
Which is the the church's media

2722
02:50:35,300 --> 02:50:38,100
arm essentially, right?
If you watch General Conference,

2723
02:50:38,100 --> 02:50:42,000
you know, this is a production
of Bonneville Communications and

2724
02:50:42,000 --> 02:50:43,500
he said.
So what's seems to be the

2725
02:50:43,500 --> 02:50:45,300
problem?
You know, he's like I'd like to

2726
02:50:45,308 --> 02:50:47,800
take one more opportunity and to
your question.

2727
02:50:47,800 --> 02:50:50,000
I'm like I'm down with that,
right?

2728
02:50:50,000 --> 02:50:54,700
I'm not trying to be Storm out
or something like that.

2729
02:50:56,000 --> 02:50:58,300
So we got talking and he said,
what's one of the things that

2730
02:50:58,300 --> 02:51:00,000
really bugs you?
And I'm like, quite frankly,

2731
02:51:00,000 --> 02:51:04,300
it's one of the big things that
that has really given me pause

2732
02:51:04,300 --> 02:51:10,000
is The removal of whole
covenants out of the temple and

2733
02:51:10,000 --> 02:51:12,600
he said well which one now
explained it to him.

2734
02:51:12,600 --> 02:51:15,800
He's like oh well brother
Sanders I got great news for

2735
02:51:15,800 --> 02:51:19,700
you, I can explain this one.
It's like sure I'm anxious to

2736
02:51:19,700 --> 02:51:21,700
hear.
And he said for the first time

2737
02:51:21,700 --> 02:51:25,000
ever, it looks like that.
Within about 10 years, we're

2738
02:51:25,000 --> 02:51:27,300
going to have more single
members.

2739
02:51:27,300 --> 02:51:29,400
Then married members in the
church.

2740
02:51:31,300 --> 02:51:34,800
And I said, okay?
And he said yeah, when this was

2741
02:51:34,800 --> 02:51:38,900
brought up, I had overheard that
the brother and had said that

2742
02:51:38,900 --> 02:51:42,400
maybe it's just time to to
adjust the ordinances to match.

2743
02:51:44,300 --> 02:51:46,500
And I remember I said so let me
ask you this.

2744
02:51:46,500 --> 02:51:49,400
If men were have, if men and
women were having a hard time,

2745
02:51:49,400 --> 02:51:52,600
living up to the law of
Chastity, would that get removed

2746
02:51:52,600 --> 02:51:56,000
as well?
Like, isn't The Prudent thing to

2747
02:51:56,000 --> 02:51:58,400
figure out?
Why young men and young women

2748
02:51:58,400 --> 02:52:03,100
aren't getting married. and it
just kind of ended there, but my

2749
02:52:03,100 --> 02:52:10,000
question is What?
And maybe this is more from a

2750
02:52:10,000 --> 02:52:12,000
Caleb, but you might have some
insight here too.

2751
02:52:12,000 --> 02:52:15,300
Zoe, what is preventing
marriages from happening right

2752
02:52:15,300 --> 02:52:19,200
now?
What what is it within the

2753
02:52:19,200 --> 02:52:21,700
church that we see?
And and I want to be careful.

2754
02:52:21,700 --> 02:52:25,900
This isn't just a church thing.
This seems to be across the

2755
02:52:25,900 --> 02:52:28,900
Spectrum.
What what's preventing people

2756
02:52:28,900 --> 02:52:32,200
from?
From making those covenants, one

2757
02:52:32,200 --> 02:52:34,400
to another and and getting
married.

2758
02:52:38,100 --> 02:52:40,500
I think.
Comes.

2759
02:52:41,600 --> 02:52:45,000
Side Society.
Like I was talking to a

2760
02:52:45,000 --> 02:52:50,800
co-worker one time a couple
years ago and I was talking

2761
02:52:50,800 --> 02:52:53,800
about how like I want to be
married and everything like that

2762
02:52:53,800 --> 02:53:00,100
and right now I just turned 22.
So I was about 20, maybe 19 at

2763
02:53:00,100 --> 02:53:06,600
the time and she is a mother of
like three or four children that

2764
02:53:06,600 --> 02:53:11,000
I was talking to.
And she's like, you're only 20

2765
02:53:11,000 --> 02:53:12,400
years old.
What are you talking about?

2766
02:53:12,400 --> 02:53:14,600
That's way too young.
Like my daughter.

2767
02:53:14,600 --> 02:53:18,700
Got married at like 23 and that
was still too young.

2768
02:53:18,700 --> 02:53:22,800
And so there's this outside
culture that's kind of pervaded

2769
02:53:22,800 --> 02:53:28,100
where it's, I need to, and some
of this comes from feminism too

2770
02:53:28,100 --> 02:53:31,000
but I need to have my whole life
set up.

2771
02:53:31,000 --> 02:53:35,200
I need to make sure I'm working
the job and living out on my own

2772
02:53:35,200 --> 02:53:37,500
and doing all these other
things, before I can get

2773
02:53:37,500 --> 02:53:39,000
married.
And then I'm going to add him

2774
02:53:39,000 --> 02:53:44,000
into my life. and, It doesn't
quite work that way.

2775
02:53:44,000 --> 02:53:48,100
And when you, when you build up
your entire life and then you

2776
02:53:48,100 --> 02:53:49,900
get married, you can have some
issues.

2777
02:53:50,900 --> 02:53:54,500
And conflicts.
Because now you have to Change.

2778
02:53:54,500 --> 02:53:57,100
How you've been living?
And you've kind of cemented this

2779
02:53:57,100 --> 02:54:00,600
thing in place part of the two.
I have some questions.

2780
02:54:01,600 --> 02:54:05,900
About why I say words, because
I've heard people argue on,

2781
02:54:05,900 --> 02:54:08,800
like, how great YSA Awards and
how bad they are.

2782
02:54:10,000 --> 02:54:13,300
I'm questionable on them right
now because there's been studies

2783
02:54:13,300 --> 02:54:17,700
that have shown it.
So like, for example, if I have,

2784
02:54:17,700 --> 02:54:22,100
if I'm in a group with five
female friends and none of my

2785
02:54:22,100 --> 02:54:26,200
friends are married, or have
kids and much, much less likely

2786
02:54:26,200 --> 02:54:30,100
to get married and have kids.
If there's other women in my

2787
02:54:30,108 --> 02:54:34,000
friend group, who are married
and or have kids, I am much more

2788
02:54:34,000 --> 02:54:39,100
likely to get married and have
kids and we've put All the

2789
02:54:39,100 --> 02:54:42,400
single adults together into
Ward, which is like great

2790
02:54:42,400 --> 02:54:45,600
because then you know everyone's
single and you can go find

2791
02:54:45,600 --> 02:54:49,000
someone to marry that way.
But there's also this well, now,

2792
02:54:49,000 --> 02:54:54,200
everyone you're social involved
with is single and you're going

2793
02:54:54,200 --> 02:54:56,300
to be the odd one out, you're
going to have to go find a new

2794
02:54:56,308 --> 02:54:58,600
friend group in new activities
and things like that.

2795
02:54:58,600 --> 02:55:01,300
If you get married, I think part
of that as well.

2796
02:55:01,300 --> 02:55:04,200
Oh, there's a couple of things.
What she was saying, you know,

2797
02:55:04,200 --> 02:55:06,700
marriage has gone from a
foundation to a cat Stone.

2798
02:55:07,800 --> 02:55:10,300
Oven instead of like, okay, I'm
very I'm gonna build my life so

2799
02:55:10,300 --> 02:55:12,300
I'm gonna build my life and
married is the last thing.

2800
02:55:14,400 --> 02:55:17,600
And then but then maybe you
don't feel like your life.

2801
02:55:18,300 --> 02:55:20,100
Maybe you have struggles like
oh, I'm not ready.

2802
02:55:20,100 --> 02:55:23,800
Hmm.
To get married going on with the

2803
02:55:23,800 --> 02:55:26,100
single word as well.
I was never in a while I say a

2804
02:55:26,100 --> 02:55:32,300
word but I have lots of friends
who were slash are And I think

2805
02:55:32,300 --> 02:55:34,000
what she's saying is, absolutely
right, because you take these

2806
02:55:34,000 --> 02:55:36,700
people out of the context of all
my families in this world.

2807
02:55:36,708 --> 02:55:40,200
Oh, here are the people that I
sort of grew up with and like,

2808
02:55:40,200 --> 02:55:41,500
oh, we're gonna stick them all
together.

2809
02:55:41,500 --> 02:55:45,900
This should be fine.
And a lot of, I think the most

2810
02:55:45,900 --> 02:55:51,200
healthy relationships come from
being like the people around you

2811
02:55:51,200 --> 02:55:55,900
being like Oh well my you know,
my husband's brother. he's a

2812
02:55:55,900 --> 02:55:59,200
really great guy, like maybe you
get along really well or oh,

2813
02:55:59,200 --> 02:56:03,600
well, you know, my brother has
his friend and I was thinking

2814
02:56:03,600 --> 02:56:07,100
about you and because the people
around, you know, you and have

2815
02:56:07,100 --> 02:56:10,200
no you and are able to be like,
oh this is a good idea and maybe

2816
02:56:10,200 --> 02:56:13,800
do some sort of matchmaking or
If not matchmaking, then sort of

2817
02:56:13,800 --> 02:56:17,200
nudging.
Yeah, right.

2818
02:56:17,200 --> 02:56:21,400
And when you are in a YSA Ward,
none of the people, none of

2819
02:56:21,408 --> 02:56:24,800
those people are your own age
from your own board.

2820
02:56:24,800 --> 02:56:27,400
You know?
I mean I went to the YSA in the

2821
02:56:27,400 --> 02:56:33,200
city I lived in since I was like
six and I knew all of like, two

2822
02:56:33,200 --> 02:56:37,700
or three people In the ward.
So wow.

2823
02:56:37,700 --> 02:56:40,800
Yeah because one of them she
would come a kid.

2824
02:56:40,800 --> 02:56:42,700
Like my best friend she was
supposed to go to a different

2825
02:56:42,708 --> 02:56:45,100
ways.
But I dragged her with me um

2826
02:56:45,100 --> 02:56:47,400
because her Bishop is like you
have to go to YSA.

2827
02:56:47,400 --> 02:56:50,200
So I dragged her with me and
then there was like, one person

2828
02:56:50,200 --> 02:56:55,600
that I knew from when I was like
10 that was in the ward and then

2829
02:56:55,600 --> 02:57:00,100
someone from my home Ward
because she was supposed to be

2830
02:57:00,100 --> 02:57:03,200
like the liaison between the
family Ward and the YSA.

2831
02:57:03,200 --> 02:57:05,100
And so she would show up
vacation early.

2832
02:57:06,000 --> 02:57:08,800
Gotcha.
Yeah, thanks for that.

2833
02:57:08,800 --> 02:57:10,300
I was just curious.
Yeah.

2834
02:57:10,300 --> 02:57:16,500
So We'll have.
So, positive effects.

2835
02:57:18,100 --> 02:57:22,800
Yeah, so positive effects of.
So when you have correct

2836
02:57:22,800 --> 02:57:26,000
understanding of what Mormonism
teaches about the divine

2837
02:57:26,000 --> 02:57:30,800
feminine, you can grow a love
for femininity and he stopped

2838
02:57:30,800 --> 02:57:33,100
hating men because you
understand what the feminine

2839
02:57:33,100 --> 02:57:35,000
role is and what the masculine
role is.

2840
02:57:35,000 --> 02:57:38,500
And that there is a difference
there, but it doesn't mean,

2841
02:57:38,500 --> 02:57:41,000
either one is better than the
other and it's okay because

2842
02:57:41,000 --> 02:57:42,800
that's one of the things we fall
into is.

2843
02:57:44,200 --> 02:57:46,700
A lot of people in the world
that they either fall into the

2844
02:57:46,700 --> 02:57:50,600
like men are better or the women
are better.

2845
02:57:50,600 --> 02:57:56,500
Like I saw a thing recently
where it's like, Oh, I'm not a

2846
02:57:56,500 --> 02:57:58,900
feminist because I don't believe
men and women are equal because

2847
02:57:58,900 --> 02:58:02,600
I believe women are better.
And that that is a Pretty

2848
02:58:02,600 --> 02:58:06,800
prevailing ideology amongst the
newest wave of feminism that

2849
02:58:06,800 --> 02:58:10,900
I've seen.
And so you don't have that if

2850
02:58:10,900 --> 02:58:13,600
you understand the rules and
everything and you're not

2851
02:58:13,600 --> 02:58:17,200
threatened by the masculine
because you're not trying to

2852
02:58:17,200 --> 02:58:20,000
take the men's roles and men
aren't trying to take your roles

2853
02:58:20,000 --> 02:58:23,400
because you understand, where
you are supposed to be

2854
02:58:23,400 --> 02:58:30,300
biologically and the vinyl and
understanding men and women are

2855
02:58:30,300 --> 02:58:33,800
equal even though they're
different because they're equal

2856
02:58:33,800 --> 02:58:36,400
but not Equitable kind of thing,
right?

2857
02:58:36,400 --> 02:58:39,600
Um, there's also the software
that comes with it, Doctrine,

2858
02:58:39,600 --> 02:58:43,200
covenants, section, 1810.
Remember, the worth of souls is

2859
02:58:43,200 --> 02:58:47,900
great in the sight of God.
And so you're worth is more

2860
02:58:47,900 --> 02:58:51,400
based in your identity as a
daughter of God, rather than all

2861
02:58:51,400 --> 02:58:58,500
these things of the world.
Magnetic femininity has a quote

2862
02:58:58,508 --> 02:59:01,200
that says, it is so important
that as women are subconscious

2863
02:59:01,200 --> 02:59:03,700
and conscious minds are fully
filled with the belief and

2864
02:59:03,700 --> 02:59:09,800
understanding that being a woman
is good. um, because there are a

2865
02:59:09,800 --> 02:59:14,300
lot of people who do have this
view of what we live in a world

2866
02:59:14,300 --> 02:59:18,300
where masculinity is valued
within women and femininity is

2867
02:59:18,300 --> 02:59:23,000
valued within men, and So
sometimes the woman do have to

2868
02:59:23,000 --> 02:59:28,300
be told like it is good to be a
woman like it's not anything

2869
02:59:28,300 --> 02:59:32,200
against you.
And then it's also okay to

2870
02:59:32,200 --> 02:59:35,500
follow and being a follower.
Like we talked about earlier

2871
02:59:35,500 --> 02:59:41,200
isn't doesn't mean that you're
lesser than and anyway, Um, so

2872
02:59:41,200 --> 02:59:44,100
because we have redeemed the
body we realize that the body is

2873
02:59:44,100 --> 02:59:47,500
beautiful.
Magnetic femininity says that is

2874
02:59:47,500 --> 02:59:51,100
what the obsession with female
beauty is really about women's

2875
02:59:51,100 --> 02:59:55,200
taking care of their own bodies.
Because a lot of beauty

2876
02:59:55,200 --> 03:00:01,100
standards, the roots of them is
based off of biology.

2877
03:00:01,100 --> 03:00:07,400
So like in the 1700s, you see
false hips up here because it

2878
03:00:07,400 --> 03:00:11,300
was viewed that if you had wider
hips, then you the New York

2879
03:00:11,308 --> 03:00:14,000
child bearing would be safer.
You were less likely to die.

2880
03:00:14,000 --> 03:00:18,000
How comfortable like patience if
you had white or hips things

2881
03:00:18,000 --> 03:00:21,000
like that?
And so if you realize that

2882
03:00:21,000 --> 03:00:26,700
beauty is really about the way
that you act and taking care of

2883
03:00:26,708 --> 03:00:30,500
yourself and your body and
viewing your body as sacred, but

2884
03:00:30,500 --> 03:00:36,600
not an object.
The same book also says we don't

2885
03:00:36,600 --> 03:00:38,000
have to be physically.
Beautiful.

2886
03:00:39,000 --> 03:00:41,400
We don't have to be physically,
beautiful, to be important, to

2887
03:00:41,400 --> 03:00:43,700
be worth, to be charismatic, to
be magnetic.

2888
03:00:43,700 --> 03:00:45,900
In our Beauty.
Truly is the most important

2889
03:00:45,900 --> 03:00:47,800
thing, and the core of that is
vulnerability.

2890
03:00:49,000 --> 03:00:53,000
And like it's kind of cliche to
say like interview is what truly

2891
03:00:53,000 --> 03:00:58,700
matters.
But it's true and like if you're

2892
03:00:58,700 --> 03:01:04,300
genuine in your vulnerability
and in your feminine and being

2893
03:01:04,300 --> 03:01:06,900
kind and loving.
If it's genuine, people will

2894
03:01:06,900 --> 03:01:10,900
tell and it will come out and it
is beautiful.

2895
03:01:11,800 --> 03:01:15,600
Um there's also not the shame
same, shame around our body.

2896
03:01:15,600 --> 03:01:19,100
If we truly understand how
beautiful and sacred our body's

2897
03:01:19,100 --> 03:01:23,100
are and then so much of our
Lives as women have to do with

2898
03:01:23,100 --> 03:01:28,200
body's.
We have we create bodies every

2899
03:01:28,200 --> 03:01:29,700
month, we have to deal with
menstruation.

2900
03:01:29,700 --> 03:01:32,000
So we really have to take care
of her body's in certain ways.

2901
03:01:32,000 --> 03:01:36,000
We nurture and take care of
bodies as we take care of our

2902
03:01:36,000 --> 03:01:39,600
children and our husband.
Women are generally the ones in

2903
03:01:39,600 --> 03:01:42,600
charge of like making meals and
housekeeping and things like

2904
03:01:42,600 --> 03:01:47,400
that, and it is beautiful, and
it's divine and its own right.

2905
03:01:48,700 --> 03:01:52,000
Um, there's also the connection
to Divinity because we know that

2906
03:01:52,000 --> 03:01:55,500
we have a mother who loves us.
We know that God is the father

2907
03:01:55,500 --> 03:02:01,900
and the mother, they trained our
one, um, not just a father and

2908
03:02:01,900 --> 03:02:06,000
that we can be exalted to and
then we can pray, knowing that

2909
03:02:06,000 --> 03:02:07,600
someone is actually listening
and cares.

2910
03:02:07,600 --> 03:02:10,600
We're not praying when I'm
morphis blob out in The Ether

2911
03:02:10,600 --> 03:02:13,100
where we're praying to a father
who loves us.

2912
03:02:13,100 --> 03:02:16,800
We can also see the beauty and
motherhood, the value of

2913
03:02:16,800 --> 03:02:18,800
motherhood.
We can see what our mothers do

2914
03:02:18,800 --> 03:02:24,000
and did for us.
The sacrifice of motherhood is

2915
03:02:24,000 --> 03:02:26,700
beautiful.
We can see the creation aspect

2916
03:02:26,700 --> 03:02:30,800
of motherhood as divine we can
be vulnerable, we can be

2917
03:02:30,800 --> 03:02:33,800
vulnerable with God, we can be
vulnerable with our family and

2918
03:02:33,800 --> 03:02:37,100
our friends.
Being a woman involves a lot of

2919
03:02:37,100 --> 03:02:41,700
feeling and vulnerability and we
can safely express it when we're

2920
03:02:41,700 --> 03:02:46,500
living for me.
Understand What God actually

2921
03:02:46,500 --> 03:02:51,000
wants for us, and what?
Are actual divine nature is and

2922
03:02:51,000 --> 03:02:54,500
that and we can see that we do
have a place and God's plan.

2923
03:02:56,400 --> 03:03:02,600
and, That's the sort of good.
What comes of a proper

2924
03:03:02,600 --> 03:03:05,800
understanding?
Yeah. um, but further, what

2925
03:03:05,800 --> 03:03:10,400
comes of A sort of native
understanding, or when things

2926
03:03:10,400 --> 03:03:14,800
get misunderstood is. you know,
if you, if you try now to talk

2927
03:03:14,800 --> 03:03:19,100
about the divine feminine in
most Restorations, you'll get

2928
03:03:19,100 --> 03:03:22,800
shut down so hard.
Because I got this fear of.

2929
03:03:23,800 --> 03:03:29,500
Idolatry or the other side of
that is almost verging on the

2930
03:03:29,500 --> 03:03:31,800
occult and you know, God is
worship.

2931
03:03:32,700 --> 03:03:35,900
And again, going back to the
fact that never really stopped

2932
03:03:35,900 --> 03:03:40,500
worshiping all of these pagan
gods, they just took different

2933
03:03:40,500 --> 03:03:44,400
names.
And I see, I see both of these

2934
03:03:44,400 --> 03:03:48,100
things within the culture at
large at least here in Utah.

2935
03:03:48,100 --> 03:03:52,300
And with the Les Church of their
people who are very sort of out

2936
03:03:52,300 --> 03:03:56,200
there and oh, well, God is a
woman and he construct the

2937
03:03:56,200 --> 03:03:59,700
patriarchy and All of that jazz.
And then there are some people

2938
03:03:59,700 --> 03:04:02,500
who said, well that's heretical.
We don't talk about mother and

2939
03:04:02,500 --> 03:04:06,700
Heaven.
It's, you know, and then there's

2940
03:04:06,708 --> 03:04:13,700
sort of fear of witches.
That and ends up being

2941
03:04:13,700 --> 03:04:17,000
eventually harmful, because
waking witching is whatever is a

2942
03:04:17,000 --> 03:04:18,800
feminine.
Mmm.

2943
03:04:18,800 --> 03:04:21,100
And yep.
Again, I think that there are

2944
03:04:21,108 --> 03:04:23,900
roots in truths because a lot of
times women are more

2945
03:04:23,900 --> 03:04:27,900
spiritually, sensitive, or
closer to God.

2946
03:04:27,900 --> 03:04:34,300
And so it just needs to be
understood and applied.

2947
03:04:35,300 --> 03:04:37,800
In the correct in a correct
light.

2948
03:04:37,800 --> 03:04:40,100
And who are you going to?
Oh yeah.

2949
03:04:40,100 --> 03:04:42,300
Who are you going?
The witches are generally going

2950
03:04:42,300 --> 03:04:46,800
to Gaia or Ishtar or a straw or
things like that.

2951
03:04:46,800 --> 03:04:52,100
Where we do have access to God
and his power in our lives and

2952
03:04:52,100 --> 03:04:55,200
so we should be going there.
But again, if you don't

2953
03:04:55,200 --> 03:05:00,200
understand that you that there
is sort of feminine side of the

2954
03:05:00,200 --> 03:05:04,500
Gospel, then when you feel the
call for it because it's in you

2955
03:05:04,508 --> 03:05:08,900
because it's true you believe
like an incredible like Yves,

2956
03:05:08,900 --> 03:05:12,300
thuries incorrect beliefs even
believe that touching the fruit

2957
03:05:12,300 --> 03:05:14,600
will kill her.
Right.

2958
03:05:14,600 --> 03:05:18,300
So then she's able to be sled.
People believe that there is no

2959
03:05:18,300 --> 03:05:21,300
place in the gospel or that none
of this has a place in the

2960
03:05:21,300 --> 03:05:24,300
gospel.
And so then wanting on the

2961
03:05:24,300 --> 03:05:29,000
incorrect beliefs, but feeling
the call, they turn to all of

2962
03:05:29,000 --> 03:05:34,500
what Mahalo Makayla was saying.
Um, which is a tragedy.

2963
03:05:34,500 --> 03:05:39,700
Yeah. um, Another thing that
comes of sort of the negative

2964
03:05:39,700 --> 03:05:42,200
understanding both for men and
for women was a negative

2965
03:05:42,200 --> 03:05:46,200
understanding.
I mean, misunderstanding, um, is

2966
03:05:47,000 --> 03:05:52,000
actual misogyny.
You know, I I know men who like,

2967
03:05:52,000 --> 03:05:55,500
oh well, because I'm a man, I'm
so much better.

2968
03:05:55,500 --> 03:06:00,300
I'm so much Holier.
I'm so much closer to God, and

2969
03:06:00,300 --> 03:06:05,000
these things are false and
they're a sense of pride.

2970
03:06:09,600 --> 03:06:14,100
Which is unfortunate.
Come on the other side.

2971
03:06:14,100 --> 03:06:18,400
That you also have a superior
superiority, complex, within

2972
03:06:18,400 --> 03:06:20,100
women, where they flip the
script.

2973
03:06:20,100 --> 03:06:22,500
And they're like, well actually
women are better because we can

2974
03:06:22,500 --> 03:06:26,100
do this in the US.
And it causes issues that way

2975
03:06:26,100 --> 03:06:28,900
too.
Again, I'm saying that more and

2976
03:06:28,900 --> 03:06:31,500
more in some places as a
reaction to the other.

2977
03:06:31,500 --> 03:06:34,500
Yeah.
Yeah, there's a misunderstanding

2978
03:06:34,500 --> 03:06:38,400
which causes something bad and
then the reaction to it swings

2979
03:06:38,400 --> 03:06:44,500
Avengers on the other direction.
you know, and I think that's Oh,

2980
03:06:44,500 --> 03:06:46,800
I think that's something that
we're seeing come up again and

2981
03:06:46,800 --> 03:06:50,700
again in the conversation is
this wild swing and extremes.

2982
03:06:51,300 --> 03:06:53,700
Right, there's there's this
idea.

2983
03:06:53,708 --> 03:06:56,400
Like like you and Michaela were
just talking about, right?

2984
03:06:56,400 --> 03:07:01,600
We have Misogyny on one side
that says you know you're a

2985
03:07:01,600 --> 03:07:04,100
woman you're obviously not as
intelligent just sit down and

2986
03:07:04,100 --> 03:07:07,800
let them do the thinking right?
Then on the other side you have

2987
03:07:07,800 --> 03:07:11,600
women who are trying to grab
that same thing, right?

2988
03:07:11,600 --> 03:07:18,400
And so you have this wild swing
and extreme and ultimately, as I

2989
03:07:18,400 --> 03:07:21,200
think it is with most things,
the truth is right there in the

2990
03:07:21,200 --> 03:07:25,500
middle, right?
This recognition that certainly

2991
03:07:25,500 --> 03:07:28,300
within Mormonism and it's one
thing that's that's always

2992
03:07:28,300 --> 03:07:31,100
baffled.
My mind a little bit, baffled me

2993
03:07:31,100 --> 03:07:35,400
a little bit.
Is that in my mind, Mormonism?

2994
03:07:35,400 --> 03:07:39,300
Has enough doctrinal.
Guard rails around it so to

2995
03:07:39,300 --> 03:07:41,600
speak.
To say look, you're both people.

2996
03:07:41,600 --> 03:07:44,200
So let's get that out of the way
first, right?

2997
03:07:44,200 --> 03:07:46,000
You're both in need of a tone
man.

2998
03:07:46,000 --> 03:07:49,000
You both have your very crap
that you're going to bring to

2999
03:07:49,000 --> 03:07:52,100
this marriage because of either
the way you were raised or how

3000
03:07:52,100 --> 03:07:55,600
you, you know, some life
experiences that too has to be

3001
03:07:55,608 --> 03:08:00,600
worked out but understand
neither the man nor the woman

3002
03:08:00,600 --> 03:08:03,400
can get to where they ultimately
want to be within Mormonism

3003
03:08:03,400 --> 03:08:07,100
without each other.
And so, it's this.

3004
03:08:07,900 --> 03:08:11,400
As as as we see the rest of
society, go through these wild

3005
03:08:11,400 --> 03:08:13,900
swings and you could see this
even in politics, right?

3006
03:08:13,900 --> 03:08:18,400
The left versus the right where
there's wild swings, right?

3007
03:08:18,400 --> 03:08:22,100
Back in the old days, there
wasn't much difference, those

3008
03:08:22,100 --> 03:08:26,100
things continue to get polarized
and I think it's the, I think

3009
03:08:26,100 --> 03:08:29,200
it's our job.
Those who are awake to say,

3010
03:08:29,200 --> 03:08:31,900
okay, we don't have to play this
game, right?

3011
03:08:31,900 --> 03:08:33,700
We don't have to have these wild
swings.

3012
03:08:34,700 --> 03:08:36,200
Michaela.
You said something else.

3013
03:08:36,200 --> 03:08:40,600
I wanted to jump on here which
is Even though we've been

3014
03:08:40,608 --> 03:08:44,800
talking about hey you don't need
plastic surgery for vanity.

3015
03:08:44,800 --> 03:08:49,500
Those sorts of things, there's
nothing wrong either with taking

3016
03:08:49,500 --> 03:08:54,900
care of your body, right?
Too often one of the things and

3017
03:08:54,900 --> 03:08:56,800
going back to Wild swings,
right?

3018
03:08:56,800 --> 03:09:00,800
Um, I remember I was talking to
a friend of mine who, you know,

3019
03:09:00,800 --> 03:09:03,300
I he's like, what are you doing?
I'm like, I'm just getting ready

3020
03:09:03,300 --> 03:09:06,500
to go to the gym and he's like,
why do you engage in such a vein

3021
03:09:06,500 --> 03:09:09,300
activity?
And I was like, what?

3022
03:09:10,100 --> 03:09:12,800
And he's like, well, yeah, I
mean what, why else would you be

3023
03:09:12,800 --> 03:09:16,300
there other than to, you know?
Try to look better and be Vain

3024
03:09:16,300 --> 03:09:18,400
and I was like to be healthy,
right?

3025
03:09:18,400 --> 03:09:21,100
Like lift heavy things that
makes me feel better.

3026
03:09:21,100 --> 03:09:26,900
Um, and he, you know, he
couldn't understand that. and so

3027
03:09:26,908 --> 03:09:30,800
we've got somehow, we've got to
get back to kind of that place

3028
03:09:30,800 --> 03:09:34,400
in the center where we recognize
Truth for what it is and use

3029
03:09:34,400 --> 03:09:37,700
those Doctrine or doctrinal
guardrails have been bequeathed

3030
03:09:37,700 --> 03:09:41,900
to us to to be able to have
healthier relations between men

3031
03:09:41,900 --> 03:09:46,000
and women and One child.
Got to another.

3032
03:09:46,900 --> 03:09:50,100
I think it takes a peculiar
kind.

3033
03:09:50,900 --> 03:09:57,000
Of courage to hold the middle.
Yeah um and I think that in

3034
03:09:57,000 --> 03:10:01,400
doing so you end up catching
Flack from a lot of everybody.

3035
03:10:02,200 --> 03:10:05,600
From the two extremes, you're
not going to be liked by,

3036
03:10:05,600 --> 03:10:10,500
anybody know.
And I think that there should be

3037
03:10:10,500 --> 03:10:21,500
a certain level of pride in the
good way about that.

3038
03:10:22,500 --> 03:10:27,200
Because I had a conversation, a
couple days ago that was really

3039
03:10:27,200 --> 03:10:31,100
kind of stuck with me talking
about how often times.

3040
03:10:31,100 --> 03:10:34,100
Again, there's all these
extremes and so to be able to

3041
03:10:34,100 --> 03:10:36,800
walk middle, is everybody hates
you.

3042
03:10:36,800 --> 03:10:38,400
And so maybe that should be a
blessing.

3043
03:10:38,400 --> 03:10:40,800
They may most people hate your
guts.

3044
03:10:42,300 --> 03:10:44,900
Once again, that's going on a
Relief Society.

3045
03:10:48,400 --> 03:10:52,200
A scriptures.
Were called treasure.

3046
03:10:53,900 --> 03:10:57,300
That were peculiar treasure and
that word, and Hebrew is segula.

3047
03:10:57,300 --> 03:11:01,400
And in Beloved bridegroom, by
Donna Vinson, which is an

3048
03:11:01,400 --> 03:11:04,100
amazing.
But highly recommend, I said the

3049
03:11:04,100 --> 03:11:07,300
foundation and she talks about
this and she's like, one of the

3050
03:11:07,300 --> 03:11:11,300
so.
So Google was a term used for by

3051
03:11:11,300 --> 03:11:14,500
a husband for his wife.
But it was also used by Kings

3052
03:11:14,500 --> 03:11:18,700
for their most prized treasure.
That this was a treasure that

3053
03:11:18,708 --> 03:11:21,000
they would keep in the vault to
kind of keep safe from

3054
03:11:21,000 --> 03:11:23,800
everything and it was supposed
to be a peculiar treasure.

3055
03:11:23,800 --> 03:11:26,600
We're not going to fit in
anywhere, but that's okay,

3056
03:11:26,600 --> 03:11:28,700
because we're in, God's Kingdom,
right?

3057
03:11:28,700 --> 03:11:32,000
Got he says, like, when they
hate, you were Joy because they

3058
03:11:32,000 --> 03:11:33,500
hate me first.
Yeah, right.

3059
03:11:33,500 --> 03:11:39,700
And So anyways, so I think that
being able to sort of stand on

3060
03:11:39,700 --> 03:11:45,200
the doctrine and say okay there
is a middle way. and I think

3061
03:11:45,200 --> 03:11:49,300
that, Um, I should should
clarify because sometimes

3062
03:11:49,300 --> 03:11:52,700
there's not a middle way, right?
Some issues in the middle way

3063
03:11:52,700 --> 03:11:55,800
and some of them, there's not
and I think that sometimes in

3064
03:11:55,800 --> 03:12:00,700
our quest, for sort of tolerant
because the the idea of the

3065
03:12:00,700 --> 03:12:05,000
middle is good when you have
wickedness on both extremes.

3066
03:12:05,000 --> 03:12:07,000
Right?
Exactly.

3067
03:12:07,000 --> 03:12:09,400
Yep.
Um, and a lot of times, there is

3068
03:12:09,400 --> 03:12:12,900
weakness on both extremes when
you zoom out far enough, but

3069
03:12:12,900 --> 03:12:15,600
sometimes it doesn't look like
there is so one example is

3070
03:12:16,600 --> 03:12:18,900
Something that I'm very sort of
passionate about we brushed on

3071
03:12:18,908 --> 03:12:20,100
this sort of abortion thing
earlier.

3072
03:12:20,100 --> 03:12:23,300
There's no middle ground between
not abortion and no.

3073
03:12:24,200 --> 03:12:30,800
Um, and trying to attempting to
walk a Middle Road, is good to

3074
03:12:30,800 --> 03:12:35,400
be completely harmful.
Um, but maybe if you zoom out

3075
03:12:35,400 --> 03:12:40,100
and there's, you know, abortion
once said and and something else

3076
03:12:40,100 --> 03:12:43,600
on the other.
So this is talking about sort of

3077
03:12:43,608 --> 03:12:48,200
the, the swing between
promiscuity and the sort of

3078
03:12:48,200 --> 03:12:51,600
Adoration of celibacy, right?
There's a Middle Road there.

3079
03:12:52,500 --> 03:12:55,200
But if you look at the promise
you ready, there's no Middle

3080
03:12:55,200 --> 03:12:57,100
Road within the promise you.
Yeah.

3081
03:12:58,400 --> 03:13:01,400
So I think a lot of times you
need to zoom out far enough to

3082
03:13:01,400 --> 03:13:03,800
find.
Okay, here are my extremes I can

3083
03:13:03,800 --> 03:13:07,100
walk in between them.
But that does not mean

3084
03:13:07,100 --> 03:13:09,800
compromising with the wicked
because then you just

3085
03:13:09,800 --> 03:13:11,500
contaminate yourself and are
good for not.

3086
03:13:12,600 --> 03:13:16,200
So compromise with terrorists we
did we do not negotiate with

3087
03:13:16,200 --> 03:13:20,600
terrorists.
We all say that and then we all

3088
03:13:20,600 --> 03:13:27,000
become parents.
The first time I say random

3089
03:13:27,000 --> 03:13:30,500
story quick Story the first time
I heard that saying was some

3090
03:13:30,500 --> 03:13:33,500
post somebody had made about the
joys of parenting.

3091
03:13:34,600 --> 03:13:37,400
And she said she'd always tell
like four year old daughter far

3092
03:13:37,400 --> 03:13:39,600
five year old like we I don't
negotiate with terrorists.

3093
03:13:40,300 --> 03:13:44,300
If she's demanding candy or
later bedtime, whatever and then

3094
03:13:44,300 --> 03:13:46,900
one time it's called to the
school because her daughter had

3095
03:13:46,900 --> 03:13:50,800
been involved in bullying
another child and she was like,

3096
03:13:50,800 --> 03:13:53,400
why did you do this and her
daughter's like we don't

3097
03:13:53,400 --> 03:13:58,000
negotiate with terrorists.
I don't know who that kid is but

3098
03:13:58,000 --> 03:14:02,100
I love that kid already.
She was like ha.

3099
03:14:02,100 --> 03:14:07,800
Alright, so sometimes you write
yeah.

3100
03:14:10,200 --> 03:14:14,800
So continuing on, unless you
get, go ahead with

3101
03:14:14,800 --> 03:14:17,900
manifestations.
That of know.

3102
03:14:17,900 --> 03:14:18,700
I didn't want to talk about
this.

3103
03:14:18,700 --> 03:14:20,700
Oh, oh, were right here right
now.

3104
03:14:20,700 --> 03:14:21,500
Oh okay.
Yeah.

3105
03:14:21,500 --> 03:14:24,300
So we're good.
Yeah, yeah, I yeah, okay.

3106
03:14:24,300 --> 03:14:28,700
Um, Part of it is sexual issues,
too kind of going with, what we

3107
03:14:28,700 --> 03:14:31,500
were just saying about adoration
is all the sea versus

3108
03:14:31,500 --> 03:14:35,900
promiscuity where we have a
declining Birthright due to lots

3109
03:14:35,900 --> 03:14:39,400
of different factors celibacy,
doesn't help.

3110
03:14:39,400 --> 03:14:45,800
Abortion is not helpful either.
I just say, well yeah, as we are

3111
03:14:45,800 --> 03:14:52,700
both members of the lovely
Generation Z, I have very very

3112
03:14:52,700 --> 03:14:59,600
strong opinions on abortion
because the truth is out of our

3113
03:14:59,600 --> 03:15:07,600
generation about in the sort of
27 to 30% range.

3114
03:15:07,600 --> 03:15:09,800
Never got to be bored.
Yeah.

3115
03:15:10,400 --> 03:15:12,700
There is a video.
I saw a little bit ago from,

3116
03:15:12,700 --> 03:15:16,200
he's probably like, early 20,
something guy and he's like, I

3117
03:15:16,200 --> 03:15:23,600
just realized today.
How many People how never had

3118
03:15:23,600 --> 03:15:26,900
life because of abortion.
And what if my soulmate was one

3119
03:15:26,900 --> 03:15:30,800
of those abortions And he's like
so many, right?

3120
03:15:32,500 --> 03:15:35,900
Yeah, I mean every table, every
table of 10 people would have

3121
03:15:35,900 --> 03:15:41,500
three empty chairs. that's, just
in just an our Generation and

3122
03:15:41,500 --> 03:15:46,600
that's That is so boring.
Yeah, that is mass murder on a

3123
03:15:46,608 --> 03:15:48,800
scale.
Never before seen.

3124
03:15:48,800 --> 03:15:51,300
That's black play levels of
death.

3125
03:15:51,300 --> 03:15:55,000
Yeah, look I've said this
before, and I'll stand on this

3126
03:15:55,000 --> 03:15:58,200
quote.
If abortion is murder, which I

3127
03:15:58,200 --> 03:16:00,900
believe it is, we've made the
Nazis look like working.

3128
03:16:00,900 --> 03:16:04,600
Yeah.
Um that's just the truth of it.

3129
03:16:04,600 --> 03:16:08,500
I I don't know how else to get
around it it is it is absolutely

3130
03:16:09,400 --> 03:16:11,700
Devastating.
You know numbers?

3131
03:16:11,700 --> 03:16:13,300
Yeah.
Yeah.

3132
03:16:13,300 --> 03:16:15,100
No.
Yeah.

3133
03:16:15,100 --> 03:16:17,100
He he's got rookie numbers for
sure.

3134
03:16:17,800 --> 03:16:21,900
So, anyway, don't, um, you have
promised Beauty on the rise

3135
03:16:21,900 --> 03:16:24,900
World telling woman that it's
empowering to sleep with.

3136
03:16:24,900 --> 03:16:28,400
Whoever you also have
pornography addiction On The

3137
03:16:28,400 --> 03:16:31,000
Rise.
You see this mostly in men but

3138
03:16:31,000 --> 03:16:33,000
you are seeing it.
Pop up.

3139
03:16:33,000 --> 03:16:36,900
More in women, you also have all
the only fans that a lot of

3140
03:16:36,900 --> 03:16:41,500
women do.
And then you also have lgbtq

3141
03:16:41,500 --> 03:16:44,500
issues as well because you do
have people.

3142
03:16:44,500 --> 03:16:47,400
I do believe there are people
who are naturally born with that

3143
03:16:47,400 --> 03:16:50,400
attraction and that is a great
trial for them.

3144
03:16:50,400 --> 03:16:57,200
However, I do know that there
are women who actively choose to

3145
03:16:57,200 --> 03:17:01,000
be lesbian because they hate men
are have had so many bad

3146
03:17:01,000 --> 03:17:06,900
experiences with men.
Um, but like it's not and then

3147
03:17:06,900 --> 03:17:08,900
you also have it encouraged and
applauded today.

3148
03:17:08,900 --> 03:17:13,000
So you have a like one of the
highest demographics of trans

3149
03:17:13,000 --> 03:17:21,500
youth is actually teenage or
preteen girls who have autism

3150
03:17:21,500 --> 03:17:23,500
because they don't fit in
anywhere.

3151
03:17:23,500 --> 03:17:29,600
And if they identify as trans or
lgbtq or whatever, then they now

3152
03:17:29,600 --> 03:17:32,700
have a community that they can
fit in and they're applauded an

3153
03:17:32,700 --> 03:17:36,300
adored and it's a major issue.
There's a book or a documentary

3154
03:17:36,300 --> 03:17:38,500
about this.
I forget what it's called but

3155
03:17:39,300 --> 03:17:42,800
Somebody did some serious
research on this and it's a

3156
03:17:42,800 --> 03:17:47,100
major, it is a major issue and
look as I've looked at that

3157
03:17:47,100 --> 03:17:49,200
issue.
I see it being a social

3158
03:17:49,200 --> 03:17:52,200
contagion, Contagion on some
point, right?

3159
03:17:52,200 --> 03:17:57,400
As Society has moved to a place
where Like look, I got weird

3160
03:17:57,400 --> 03:18:01,500
ideas so you bear with me.
I think one of the reasons that

3161
03:18:01,500 --> 03:18:09,500
that we see some of this on the
rise is because of the the, the

3162
03:18:11,800 --> 03:18:14,400
idolization of the victimhood.
Yeah.

3163
03:18:14,400 --> 03:18:18,600
Um, We don't any longer have
Heroes.

3164
03:18:19,500 --> 03:18:24,500
That did heroic thinks instead
he rose or all victims.

3165
03:18:24,500 --> 03:18:28,600
And when that happens, when
victimhood becomes a social

3166
03:18:28,600 --> 03:18:34,700
capital by with you you trade
Social standing that's that's a

3167
03:18:34,700 --> 03:18:39,000
problem.
And so that tends to feed into

3168
03:18:39,000 --> 03:18:42,000
that social contagion right to
be heroic?

3169
03:18:42,000 --> 03:18:45,800
I must be the victim.
Yeah, and that, that has

3170
03:18:45,800 --> 03:18:47,800
something to do.
The other thing I'm going to say

3171
03:18:47,800 --> 03:18:50,900
is this, the human mind is a
weird instrument, right?

3172
03:18:50,900 --> 03:18:55,400
And it will go through phases,
um, when I was seven.

3173
03:18:55,400 --> 03:18:58,400
I really wanted to be a pirate.
Fortunately, my parents didn't

3174
03:18:58,400 --> 03:19:00,800
gouge out my eye and cut off the
leg, right.

3175
03:19:00,800 --> 03:19:07,500
Um, but Like and again, it seems
like everything's an

3176
03:19:07,500 --> 03:19:11,700
overreaction as well, right?
Instead of saying to your kid,

3177
03:19:11,700 --> 03:19:16,200
know you really not, you know, a
girl or you know, whatever now

3178
03:19:16,200 --> 03:19:18,200
the parents are like.
Well, you're oppressed.

3179
03:19:18,200 --> 03:19:20,200
Right.
We gotta do whatever we can to

3180
03:19:20,200 --> 03:19:22,500
get you out of that.
There's there's a lot there.

3181
03:19:22,500 --> 03:19:24,200
I'm sorry to take us down that
side.

3182
03:19:24,200 --> 03:19:31,200
I was talking to a woman a while
ago who's older than me and

3183
03:19:31,200 --> 03:19:36,500
growing up.
She was a tomboy and and she

3184
03:19:36,500 --> 03:19:41,100
also had lots of sexual abuse
and her history and she we were

3185
03:19:41,100 --> 03:19:45,100
talking about this whole issue
and she's like if it was push as

3186
03:19:45,100 --> 03:19:49,000
much today as it was when I was
your age I would have

3187
03:19:49,000 --> 03:19:53,100
transitioned in a heartbeat and
she's like I'm so glad that it

3188
03:19:53,100 --> 03:19:56,800
wasn't a thing in my time.
Because I'm so grateful, I never

3189
03:19:56,800 --> 03:20:00,900
did that but she's like, if it
had been I would have been one

3190
03:20:00,900 --> 03:20:07,200
of the like number one people.
because, I think I think another

3191
03:20:07,200 --> 03:20:10,300
of just part of it is, you know,
you hear about the death of the

3192
03:20:10,300 --> 03:20:14,800
Tomboy.
And again, because this idea of

3193
03:20:14,800 --> 03:20:19,600
femininity as either weak or as
it being an aesthetic space

3194
03:20:19,600 --> 03:20:24,800
thing, Then, if you have a child
who doesn't enjoy traditionally

3195
03:20:24,800 --> 03:20:27,200
feminine, pastimes, or would
like to have her hair short and

3196
03:20:27,200 --> 03:20:30,900
wear cargo pants that?
Oh, you must actually be a boy.

3197
03:20:31,400 --> 03:20:37,500
And what that really is, is just
a deep insult to femininity of

3198
03:20:37,500 --> 03:20:41,500
saying, oh, well it's impossible
for you to like the rough

3199
03:20:41,500 --> 03:20:45,600
housing and still be a woman.
It's impossible for you to enjoy

3200
03:20:45,600 --> 03:20:48,900
cars, you know, and want to play
with the boys and still be a

3201
03:20:48,900 --> 03:20:50,800
woman.
So therefore you're actually a

3202
03:20:50,800 --> 03:20:53,100
boy.
Right.

3203
03:20:53,100 --> 03:21:00,500
No, it's it's true and I, Part
of this is just understanding

3204
03:21:00,500 --> 03:21:02,000
people, right?
And loving them.

3205
03:21:03,600 --> 03:21:06,800
For who they are and helping
them feel comfortable in their

3206
03:21:06,800 --> 03:21:11,400
own skin.
And because of the demonization,

3207
03:21:11,400 --> 03:21:14,500
and I'm gonna say it both ways
of both the feminine and the

3208
03:21:14,500 --> 03:21:18,400
masculine.
We find ourselves in some pretty

3209
03:21:18,400 --> 03:21:20,100
weird predicaments.
Yeah.

3210
03:21:27,200 --> 03:21:33,500
It's quite amazing.
Honestly, like Hats off the

3211
03:21:33,500 --> 03:21:34,800
devil.
He got really good work.

3212
03:21:36,000 --> 03:21:39,300
I I worked in an office once
where we had a guy who was

3213
03:21:39,300 --> 03:21:42,700
divorced three times and swore
women were the problem.

3214
03:21:43,700 --> 03:21:44,800
Same office.
I had a woman.

3215
03:21:44,808 --> 03:21:48,700
There was a woman there who had
been forced twice and swore men

3216
03:21:48,700 --> 03:21:51,500
were all the problem.
And I remember I was talking one

3217
03:21:51,500 --> 03:21:54,000
of the guys at work.
I'm like ever wondered what a

3218
03:21:54,000 --> 03:21:55,000
date between the two would look
like.

3219
03:21:56,900 --> 03:22:01,700
Just said him up and let him go.
But no, it's it's a thing,

3220
03:22:01,708 --> 03:22:04,400
right?
And we gotta get past demonizing

3221
03:22:04,400 --> 03:22:07,000
each.
Other's god-given, right?

3222
03:22:07,000 --> 03:22:11,000
You know, I shouldn't say
rights, but identity's, if, if

3223
03:22:11,000 --> 03:22:12,200
we want to heal this thing at
all,

3224
03:22:23,700 --> 03:22:25,700
understanding of, you know,
misunderstanding.

3225
03:22:27,100 --> 03:22:28,700
All of this.
Is.

3226
03:22:34,600 --> 03:22:38,300
And yelled out where this?
Yeah.

3227
03:22:38,300 --> 03:22:42,700
But I think I I think the
biggest thing is, there's okay.

3228
03:22:42,700 --> 03:22:46,100
So there's a lot of again, this
is sort of extreme of both

3229
03:22:46,100 --> 03:22:50,200
unhealthy and so one of them, a
lot of the, a lot of the modern

3230
03:22:50,200 --> 03:22:53,100
world is not really value musty.
All right.

3231
03:22:53,108 --> 03:22:57,100
Um, and or if you use it as a
present?

3232
03:22:57,100 --> 03:22:59,700
Yeah.
So everyone, you look at Red

3233
03:22:59,700 --> 03:23:04,000
Carpet and there's bare backs,
and bare breasts, and all, just

3234
03:23:04,000 --> 03:23:09,300
all of the things, right?
It's not Valued or sometimes on

3235
03:23:09,300 --> 03:23:12,700
the other side.
Um and so of course A lot of

3236
03:23:12,700 --> 03:23:15,600
times Christian culture, you get
this idea of oh well your body

3237
03:23:15,600 --> 03:23:19,200
is distracting.
Oh well, the men can't control

3238
03:23:19,200 --> 03:23:21,800
themselves.
You better cover up otherwise

3239
03:23:21,800 --> 03:23:25,900
something's gonna happen to you.
And now it's a problem.

3240
03:23:25,900 --> 03:23:29,800
I think that's I think that's
all so a problem because Either

3241
03:23:29,800 --> 03:23:33,400
way and this is okay.
This is this is good to be this

3242
03:23:33,400 --> 03:23:37,100
is a loaded term but I'm going
to use it anyway with this

3243
03:23:37,100 --> 03:23:41,200
Claver.
I think what we need to do is

3244
03:23:41,200 --> 03:23:45,600
decent hermen.
From the modesty thing.

3245
03:23:45,600 --> 03:23:48,800
I want to make one note before
we get into that.

3246
03:23:48,800 --> 03:23:51,900
Oh one second.
I didn't hear what she said to

3247
03:23:51,900 --> 03:23:56,300
do.
What we need to decenter men

3248
03:23:56,300 --> 03:24:00,800
from the modesty debate and I
wanted to find them.

3249
03:24:00,800 --> 03:24:05,100
I mean, I want to make one, no
just because there is so much

3250
03:24:05,100 --> 03:24:10,700
talk in this debate of like men
are so gross and evil because

3251
03:24:10,700 --> 03:24:15,200
they sexualize us all the time
and then like men also there are

3252
03:24:15,208 --> 03:24:16,200
men out there who are like, oh,
yeah.

3253
03:24:16,200 --> 03:24:19,900
She totally deserved it.
Um, I do want to make a note on

3254
03:24:20,700 --> 03:24:23,200
not every man is sexualizing
every woman ever.

3255
03:24:23,200 --> 03:24:26,700
But we also do need to be
cognizant of the fact that men

3256
03:24:26,700 --> 03:24:33,000
are visual creatures and to be
kind toward that while they're

3257
03:24:33,000 --> 03:24:34,300
still responsible for their own
thoughts.

3258
03:24:35,100 --> 03:24:38,400
And their actions and everything
and you did not deserve it if

3259
03:24:38,400 --> 03:24:41,000
you decided to walk around and
shorts or whatever.

3260
03:24:41,800 --> 03:24:46,400
I'm but also be cognizant of
like men are visual creatures.

3261
03:24:46,400 --> 03:24:50,700
So what I'm saying as far as I
just want to make that note so

3262
03:24:50,700 --> 03:24:54,200
that we can maybe get some women
stopping like oh my gosh, I hate

3263
03:24:54,200 --> 03:24:56,900
men because they sexualize women
all the time because that's not

3264
03:24:56,900 --> 03:25:02,400
true.
So I think What I say decent it

3265
03:25:02,400 --> 03:25:04,400
again.
There's there's baggage with

3266
03:25:04,400 --> 03:25:07,800
that term but I also think that
there's some value because again

3267
03:25:07,800 --> 03:25:13,500
both sides of the spectrum
oftentimes at least covertly are

3268
03:25:13,500 --> 03:25:16,600
revolving around the men.
So if you you know, you know

3269
03:25:16,600 --> 03:25:19,600
that if you wear something
Stimpy you'll get attacked him

3270
03:25:19,600 --> 03:25:22,800
from the bed.
And so then that choice on how

3271
03:25:22,808 --> 03:25:24,800
to dress is centered around the
men.

3272
03:25:24,800 --> 03:25:27,000
Yeah.
And then on the other side, the

3273
03:25:27,000 --> 03:25:28,700
sort of preaching of modesty as
an.

3274
03:25:28,700 --> 03:25:31,000
Oh well for the men, you have to
do it for the men.

3275
03:25:31,000 --> 03:25:33,500
Otherwise, they'll you might get
raped or whatever.

3276
03:25:33,500 --> 03:25:36,900
That's all.
So, centering men in the other

3277
03:25:36,900 --> 03:25:38,200
one.
Yeah.

3278
03:25:38,200 --> 03:25:40,900
Um, as far as, oh, you have to
say because of the men.

3279
03:25:40,900 --> 03:25:46,600
Yeah, I think you also have the
like, Women who intentionally

3280
03:25:46,600 --> 03:25:50,700
dress can be because they want.
Is it for the attention?

3281
03:25:50,700 --> 03:25:56,100
Yeah, so um, I think that again,
if this is focusing on the

3282
03:25:56,100 --> 03:25:58,100
externals on the motivation is
off.

3283
03:25:58,100 --> 03:25:59,600
Yeah.
Right.

3284
03:25:59,600 --> 03:26:05,100
Because This is this is the
gospel of Zoe K, but I think

3285
03:26:05,100 --> 03:26:11,700
there's some some value to it.
As in. the the one extreme of,

3286
03:26:11,700 --> 03:26:14,600
like, oh, you must cover up
because of the men is partially

3287
03:26:14,600 --> 03:26:17,200
based in again, the sort of
Christian understanding of the

3288
03:26:17,200 --> 03:26:22,200
body shameful Cover up your body
as a shameful thing.

3289
03:26:22,900 --> 03:26:27,500
And I would disagree with that.
And so I think that a lot of

3290
03:26:27,500 --> 03:26:30,000
times it was like, oh, we can
give me empowered like girl boss

3291
03:26:30,000 --> 03:26:33,500
where the skimpy outfits,
there's some truth to that in

3292
03:26:33,500 --> 03:26:35,600
that your body shouldn't be
something you're ashamed of

3293
03:26:36,400 --> 03:26:40,100
Right.
Um and so this truth there and I

3294
03:26:40,100 --> 03:26:43,800
so you have sympathy for that
because I think that it's

3295
03:26:43,800 --> 03:26:46,100
reacting to again reaction to
the extreme.

3296
03:26:47,800 --> 03:26:52,400
At the same time, you know, I, I
think that you should take the

3297
03:26:52,400 --> 03:26:55,600
middle path of this and maybe a
different one I'm saying.

3298
03:26:55,608 --> 03:27:02,600
Well, I don't view my body, as A
shameful thing.

3299
03:27:03,900 --> 03:27:06,300
But all it doesn't mean I'm
going to show it to everybody

3300
03:27:06,300 --> 03:27:09,400
because sacred thing is get hit.
Right.

3301
03:27:10,700 --> 03:27:15,500
Um, And to be able to say, well,
I was giving this body.

3302
03:27:15,500 --> 03:27:19,000
It is the Tabernacle the Temple
of my spirit on the temple for

3303
03:27:19,000 --> 03:27:26,500
God's spirit and so inval that
It is not a proclamation of the

3304
03:27:26,500 --> 03:27:29,600
ugliness, or the unworthiness of
the thing, being veiled, but

3305
03:27:29,600 --> 03:27:32,500
rather of the worthiness of the
rest of the world to see it.

3306
03:27:35,300 --> 03:27:38,700
Absolutely.
Yes.

3307
03:27:38,700 --> 03:27:44,400
So in that reframing, I think it
there's a lot of dignity.

3308
03:27:45,200 --> 03:27:47,500
And I'm saying yes, my body
sacred.

3309
03:27:47,500 --> 03:27:50,300
It is beautiful.
It is an instrument of creation.

3310
03:27:50,300 --> 03:27:56,500
It is after the image of God,
And I choose who I want to see

3311
03:27:56,500 --> 03:27:59,500
it and when and it's something
that I don't just cast before

3312
03:27:59,500 --> 03:28:00,300
the world.
Yeah.

3313
03:28:02,700 --> 03:28:07,800
I thought of it like this.
Are any of us here?

3314
03:28:07,800 --> 03:28:12,300
Ashamed of covenants?
We've either made or will make

3315
03:28:12,300 --> 03:28:17,600
in them.
Okay, are we ashamed of anything

3316
03:28:17,600 --> 03:28:20,500
we learn or may learn in the
temple?

3317
03:28:22,300 --> 03:28:24,400
But we don't necessarily
broadcast everything in the

3318
03:28:24,408 --> 03:28:25,300
temple.
Yeah.

3319
03:28:26,100 --> 03:28:29,200
That we do, right?
It's not out of sense of Shame.

3320
03:28:29,200 --> 03:28:34,100
It's It's it's sacred.
We're gonna hold it closed its

3321
03:28:34,100 --> 03:28:37,300
sacred and I think I think it's
a very similar thing here,

3322
03:28:37,300 --> 03:28:42,100
right?
I think As I've looked at the

3323
03:28:42,100 --> 03:28:45,500
Majesty thing.
In realizing that it's a loaded

3324
03:28:45,500 --> 03:28:49,000
term.
Maybe even a better word is.

3325
03:28:50,000 --> 03:28:54,400
The sacredness of something.
Just as we look at the temple

3326
03:28:54,400 --> 03:28:56,900
and say, we're not going to talk
about those things because those

3327
03:28:56,900 --> 03:29:00,600
are sacred, not that they can't
be accessed, right?

3328
03:29:00,600 --> 03:29:06,900
But, It has to be.
Through the correct way, at the

3329
03:29:06,908 --> 03:29:08,600
correct time at the correct
place.

3330
03:29:09,800 --> 03:29:13,400
And so I think our bodies
probably should be much the

3331
03:29:13,400 --> 03:29:16,500
same.
It's it's about just as Zoe

3332
03:29:16,500 --> 03:29:19,400
pointed out here.
It's nothing to be ashamed of

3333
03:29:19,400 --> 03:29:23,500
but the same time because it's
sacred, it deserves a certain

3334
03:29:23,500 --> 03:29:32,500
type of treatment, right?
And Well, a lot of talk with

3335
03:29:32,500 --> 03:29:36,000
modesty, also turns into this
checklist of like, what is, or

3336
03:29:36,000 --> 03:29:38,500
isn't modest?
Then like, okay, your sleeve has

3337
03:29:38,500 --> 03:29:43,900
to come to here or you're Pants
or skirt, need to come past your

3338
03:29:43,900 --> 03:29:46,800
knees, or some people has to
come to your wrists.

3339
03:29:46,800 --> 03:29:51,700
And when I started coming into
fundamentalism, I'm like, okay,

3340
03:29:51,700 --> 03:29:55,700
I'm going to wear long sleeves
to prepare for the longer

3341
03:29:55,700 --> 03:29:57,200
garments because that's
something that's very important

3342
03:29:57,200 --> 03:30:00,000
to me and I really do value
modesty.

3343
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:02,400
So it wasn't too much of a
search for me because I already

3344
03:30:02,400 --> 03:30:06,300
like wearing one stuff and a few
months in.

3345
03:30:06,300 --> 03:30:09,300
I was praying about it and God
actually told me, no, you need

3346
03:30:09,308 --> 03:30:11,800
to be wearing shorts right now
and I thought it was really

3347
03:30:11,800 --> 03:30:19,200
weird and the reason why is I I
have self-harms cars on my arm.

3348
03:30:20,000 --> 03:30:25,100
and, So every time I put on a
long-sleeve shirt, the thought

3349
03:30:25,100 --> 03:30:29,500
process in my head started
revolving around the scars was I

3350
03:30:29,500 --> 03:30:32,300
need to hide these.
I'm so ashamed of these and so

3351
03:30:32,300 --> 03:30:37,000
God had me wear short sleeves
until I wasn't ashamed of the

3352
03:30:37,000 --> 03:30:39,400
scars anymore and I wasn't a
sugar daddy anymore.

3353
03:30:39,400 --> 03:30:41,200
So I was doing it for the
correct reasons.

3354
03:30:42,900 --> 03:30:45,700
It is awesome actually, and I
actually also had a similar

3355
03:30:45,700 --> 03:30:48,200
experience.
We talked about this before.

3356
03:30:49,000 --> 03:30:54,300
Um, where, and I think this is
My.

3357
03:30:55,900 --> 03:31:00,300
Motivations around my own.
Modesty were largely based on

3358
03:31:00,300 --> 03:31:08,200
the shame.
Um, so I I was bulimic as a

3359
03:31:08,208 --> 03:31:12,900
teenager.
Um, and ended up.

3360
03:31:14,000 --> 03:31:17,000
Getting a lot of weight and
being very self-conscious.

3361
03:31:17,000 --> 03:31:20,400
And I started wearing long
sleeves and I was wearing skirts

3362
03:31:20,400 --> 03:31:25,100
as you because I was like on my
body so disgusting, I don't want

3363
03:31:25,100 --> 03:31:29,400
people to see my shape.
And it.

3364
03:31:30,500 --> 03:31:33,000
Prove this persisted for a long
time.

3365
03:31:35,600 --> 03:31:38,600
And I had a sort of series of
sort of realizations and

3366
03:31:38,600 --> 03:31:40,500
experiences that kind of helped
me come out of that and be like

3367
03:31:40,508 --> 03:31:44,000
Oh and after a while I so I'm
wearing skirts like pretty much

3368
03:31:44,008 --> 03:31:47,600
full-time.
I was younger and I started

3369
03:31:47,600 --> 03:31:49,600
wearing pants for, I wore pants
for a while soda similar to

3370
03:31:49,608 --> 03:31:53,300
Michaela of like, oh, I need you
to sort of have a moment to

3371
03:31:53,300 --> 03:31:54,700
reframe.
Why am I doing this?

3372
03:31:56,300 --> 03:32:00,200
A lot of the motivations behind
it and to turn it from a thing

3373
03:32:00,208 --> 03:32:03,400
around the shame.
To something that.

3374
03:32:04,300 --> 03:32:11,100
Is. beautiful, but I, you know,
cover because it's sacred and I

3375
03:32:11,100 --> 03:32:15,700
think again this this
understanding how helps a lot of

3376
03:32:15,700 --> 03:32:18,400
things change, a lot of things
because first off it makes it

3377
03:32:18,400 --> 03:32:20,500
more of a personal decision and
all.

3378
03:32:20,500 --> 03:32:25,800
So Um, remove the sort of
Towing, the line that I think is

3379
03:32:25,800 --> 03:32:29,400
very common in LDS circles.
Right of?

3380
03:32:29,400 --> 03:32:32,400
Well, it has to cover your
garments and you know, like the

3381
03:32:32,400 --> 03:32:35,500
modesty is to cover the garments
and in some respects.

3382
03:32:35,500 --> 03:32:37,200
I think there's something good
about that.

3383
03:32:37,200 --> 03:32:38,900
As far as like, oh, work trying
to cover the secret thing,

3384
03:32:38,900 --> 03:32:41,800
right?
So that I would agree but also

3385
03:32:41,800 --> 03:32:45,700
like, well, how how close can we
get the line?

3386
03:32:46,300 --> 03:32:48,100
Right.
So now there's a, there's a

3387
03:32:48,100 --> 03:32:51,500
change in garments recently, and
now they're sleeveless or can

3388
03:32:51,500 --> 03:32:56,900
obviously list and I passed on
my drive through Provo as a

3389
03:32:56,900 --> 03:33:00,600
thing for like, Everly coat and
it's uh, Utah's new tank top.

3390
03:33:01,900 --> 03:33:05,800
It's like a company.
Selling tank, tops marketed

3391
03:33:05,800 --> 03:33:09,000
towards more audience, just
barely covered the new Garmin

3392
03:33:09,000 --> 03:33:14,000
lines.
And I see that as such.

3393
03:33:14,000 --> 03:33:18,300
So tragic, because You maybe you
feel the garments of sacred but

3394
03:33:18,308 --> 03:33:19,700
you don't view your body is
sacred.

3395
03:33:20,100 --> 03:33:23,600
Or not as much, not realizing
that sort of the garments.

3396
03:33:23,600 --> 03:33:26,300
The sacredness of the garments
is partially, because of the

3397
03:33:26,300 --> 03:33:30,000
sickness of the body.
But they're giving to cover the

3398
03:33:30,000 --> 03:33:36,600
signs of the body. and, and so
if you have this idea of oh I

3399
03:33:36,600 --> 03:33:40,900
respect myself, I view my own
body is sacred, then you're not

3400
03:33:40,908 --> 03:33:43,800
looking oh well, how close can I
get Yeah.

3401
03:33:43,800 --> 03:33:47,800
Yeah.
Well, and in this is this is

3402
03:33:47,800 --> 03:33:53,900
part of the danger with the
modesty. um idea as it is framed

3403
03:33:53,900 --> 03:33:58,500
now is that I find it to be far
more Ferris, citizen spiritual

3404
03:33:59,400 --> 03:34:03,200
Yeah.
Um, and look having said that I

3405
03:34:03,200 --> 03:34:04,800
wear long sleeves everywhere,
right?

3406
03:34:04,800 --> 03:34:09,000
Because I've been endowed in a
Mormon fundamentalist Temple.

3407
03:34:09,000 --> 03:34:16,300
Um, But like you, I think these
these things, the motivation

3408
03:34:16,300 --> 03:34:21,000
needs to be questioned.
You know, back to the long

3409
03:34:21,000 --> 03:34:24,900
garment Kind of a Funny Story.
I remember after I was first in

3410
03:34:24,900 --> 03:34:27,600
doubt you know, in a
fundamentalist Temple, there's

3411
03:34:27,600 --> 03:34:32,000
wearing the long garment I was
in Saint George the week.

3412
03:34:32,000 --> 03:34:34,800
The week after that, I got
endowed on a Saturday and I was

3413
03:34:34,800 --> 03:34:38,100
back to work on Monday.
And it was July in Saint George.

3414
03:34:39,100 --> 03:34:42,800
And I was outside hiking.
To First server, that's why I

3415
03:34:42,800 --> 03:34:45,100
did.
And I remember thinking this is

3416
03:34:45,100 --> 03:34:51,900
hot and this crap better be true
because But but, you know, in

3417
03:34:51,900 --> 03:34:55,000
all seriousness, I think I think
both of you are on the right

3418
03:34:55,000 --> 03:34:55,600
track.
Right?

3419
03:34:55,600 --> 03:34:59,500
Why are we doing this?
And it's interesting that in

3420
03:34:59,500 --> 03:35:01,500
both your cases, it was God, who
told you?

3421
03:35:02,800 --> 03:35:05,600
I think the opposite direction
with, which you've been feeling

3422
03:35:05,600 --> 03:35:09,100
comfortable with it at a time,
not because God likes to be

3423
03:35:09,100 --> 03:35:12,500
contradictory to himself to test
us, but because he's trying to

3424
03:35:12,500 --> 03:35:15,400
get your heart, right?
And that's what I came.

3425
03:35:15,400 --> 03:35:18,500
Both of your stories.
That's what, what came out.

3426
03:35:18,500 --> 03:35:23,500
He's like, again, it, you know,
Don't worry about the

3427
03:35:23,500 --> 03:35:25,900
pharisaical, prescription.
Listen to me.

3428
03:35:25,900 --> 03:35:28,700
Let's get your heart right first
and everything else will fall

3429
03:35:28,700 --> 03:35:31,600
into place after that.
And I think that's really the.

3430
03:35:31,600 --> 03:35:35,600
The thing there that I think we
should take away is You know,

3431
03:35:35,600 --> 03:35:38,200
get your heart right and
everything else will fall behind

3432
03:35:38,200 --> 03:35:41,000
that, right?
Clean handed a pure heart.

3433
03:35:41,000 --> 03:35:43,600
Yep.
Anything else?

3434
03:35:46,700 --> 03:35:49,100
Can be done with it.
Absolutely.

3435
03:35:50,300 --> 03:35:53,900
Absolutely.
And you know, to Michaela made a

3436
03:35:53,900 --> 03:35:56,600
great Point, dudes are very
visual, right?

3437
03:35:56,600 --> 03:36:00,600
But at the same time, I believe
even that was placed there by

3438
03:36:00,600 --> 03:36:02,800
God.
Because look.

3439
03:36:04,900 --> 03:36:07,900
Whether people want to admit it
or not, it's a big reason why

3440
03:36:07,900 --> 03:36:11,900
guys get married, right?
I mean that's a healthy thing.

3441
03:36:13,500 --> 03:36:17,400
And and it's part of that, as
it's talked about in the temple,

3442
03:36:17,400 --> 03:36:21,400
that's one of the ways that you
you kind of bridal those

3443
03:36:21,400 --> 03:36:26,500
passions right to to be able to
put that into proper

3444
03:36:26,500 --> 03:36:28,800
perspective.
None of those things that we

3445
03:36:28,800 --> 03:36:34,300
have as people those appetites,
Are in and of themselves Unholy.

3446
03:36:35,700 --> 03:36:41,200
Um and it's it's one thing that
that quite frankly I have tried

3447
03:36:41,200 --> 03:36:46,700
to push against personally is
this idea that that because they

3448
03:36:46,700 --> 03:36:49,000
are?
Holy and we don't like to talk

3449
03:36:49,000 --> 03:36:51,800
about them or show them.
Doesn't mean that they're

3450
03:36:51,800 --> 03:36:54,500
they're Unholy doesn't mean that
they're bad.

3451
03:36:54,500 --> 03:36:57,300
It just means it's reserved for
a proper time in a place.

3452
03:36:58,100 --> 03:37:02,200
Right.
I think just sort of going off

3453
03:37:02,208 --> 03:37:05,300
of what you said.
Um insane.

3454
03:37:05,300 --> 03:37:06,900
Oh well this isn't about the
men.

3455
03:37:06,900 --> 03:37:09,100
Isn't it?
To denigrate them at all?

3456
03:37:09,108 --> 03:37:13,700
Yeah and I think there's been
there has been a war on Nail

3457
03:37:13,700 --> 03:37:17,400
designer um which is
unfortunate, you know, it's like

3458
03:37:17,400 --> 03:37:21,200
oh you are dirty.
Are your bad for even wanting

3459
03:37:21,200 --> 03:37:24,500
that sort of thing and I think
that's Completely wrong, they're

3460
03:37:24,500 --> 03:37:27,700
just again a place.
I really hope you desire your

3461
03:37:27,700 --> 03:37:29,000
wife.
Yeah, I do.

3462
03:37:30,500 --> 03:37:32,000
You.
Have children.

3463
03:37:32,900 --> 03:37:36,100
Enjoy it.
It's funny.

3464
03:37:36,100 --> 03:37:39,400
Fourth Nephi is one, you know,
one of the places I like to turn

3465
03:37:39,400 --> 03:37:42,300
there because it's one of the
few places in scripture where it

3466
03:37:42,300 --> 03:37:46,200
says and they multiplied
exceedingly fast and I remember

3467
03:37:46,200 --> 03:37:50,700
I had to go in.
Um, and, It.

3468
03:37:50,700 --> 03:37:54,100
I was a young men's president at
the time and they were beaten

3469
03:37:54,100 --> 03:37:57,600
these poor guys up.
I mean beating him up like you

3470
03:37:57,600 --> 03:38:00,400
shouldn't have any sort of
feelings and I mean really,

3471
03:38:00,400 --> 03:38:08,000
really going after him hard. and
I remember, I, I kind of gave

3472
03:38:08,000 --> 03:38:12,500
the opposite view there and I
got up and I quoted fourth Nephi

3473
03:38:12,500 --> 03:38:14,700
and I'm like, look, I hate to
break it to you.

3474
03:38:14,700 --> 03:38:17,400
Those people really enjoyed each
other, right?

3475
03:38:17,400 --> 03:38:18,900
Like, I don't know how else you
want me to say it?

3476
03:38:18,900 --> 03:38:21,600
Those are healthy healthy
desires.

3477
03:38:21,600 --> 03:38:24,200
Don't taint them at the same
time?

3478
03:38:24,200 --> 03:38:29,300
How they proper respect?
and, Okay.

3479
03:38:30,400 --> 03:38:32,900
One more on the men of the
stations, I kind of want to get

3480
03:38:32,900 --> 03:38:37,100
to go over this little more
later, but there is one point on

3481
03:38:37,100 --> 03:38:39,400
this.
I really want to get to health

3482
03:38:39,400 --> 03:38:42,700
and cycleogical issue is.
This is what comes of?

3483
03:38:42,700 --> 03:38:43,600
Yeah, understanding.
Yeah.

3484
03:38:43,600 --> 03:38:47,000
I've misunderstanding, um,
eating this order, I want to

3485
03:38:47,000 --> 03:38:49,700
talk about this a little bit
more than I did early because

3486
03:38:49,700 --> 03:38:53,200
how prevalent eating this,
sweaters are amongst women in

3487
03:38:53,200 --> 03:38:57,200
particular.
Um, and are actually very, very,

3488
03:38:57,200 --> 03:39:04,700
and It when you really get down
to it, one of the root issues

3489
03:39:04,700 --> 03:39:07,800
which is usually subconscious.
Like most women aren't thinking

3490
03:39:07,800 --> 03:39:12,700
this, consciously is a denial of
the femininity a denial of

3491
03:39:12,700 --> 03:39:16,500
feminine and something about
being feminine is wrong.

3492
03:39:16,500 --> 03:39:21,000
And so I must hide that because
a lot, a lot of people who are

3493
03:39:21,000 --> 03:39:25,700
anorexic this It's a little bit
different numbers for bulimia

3494
03:39:25,700 --> 03:39:31,400
but anorexia majority of women
with anorexia have been sexually

3495
03:39:31,400 --> 03:39:32,700
abused at some point in their
life.

3496
03:39:35,500 --> 03:39:39,800
It is a control issue.
Usually of my life feels out of

3497
03:39:39,800 --> 03:39:44,200
control, so I'll control this
because I've been to be abused,

3498
03:39:44,200 --> 03:39:48,400
I must deny my femininity
because anorexia comes with

3499
03:39:48,400 --> 03:39:52,200
because of the way it Shrinks
you basically because you're not

3500
03:39:52,208 --> 03:39:55,900
eating anything.
Um, your chest as much smaller.

3501
03:39:55,900 --> 03:39:59,800
Everything is much smaller, much
more than brittle and so you

3502
03:39:59,800 --> 03:40:02,300
look less feminine because of
that.

3503
03:40:02,300 --> 03:40:07,800
You also have a lot more angles
with the face and yeah, yeah,

3504
03:40:07,800 --> 03:40:13,100
you're snuggles stop and so a
lot of it is based around

3505
03:40:13,100 --> 03:40:15,600
control and then also like, I
need to fit this or beauty

3506
03:40:15,600 --> 03:40:18,100
standard and that's where you
get the body dysmorphia of

3507
03:40:19,500 --> 03:40:22,700
Thinking you look fat when
you're really underweight.

3508
03:40:23,700 --> 03:40:28,000
I think going back to the deny,
the femininity the other part of

3509
03:40:28,008 --> 03:40:30,800
saying is like oh, well, you
know, you've been abused you've

3510
03:40:30,800 --> 03:40:35,000
had things happen and so Like
this happened because I was

3511
03:40:35,000 --> 03:40:37,600
beautiful because I was
desirable I make sure that that

3512
03:40:37,600 --> 03:40:41,000
never happens to me again out of
it takes, you know sort of

3513
03:40:41,000 --> 03:40:42,300
destroying the beauty.
So be it.

3514
03:40:42,308 --> 03:40:44,900
Yeah as a protected mechanism
and I can understand.

3515
03:40:44,900 --> 03:40:48,600
Yeah, it's the same sort of
thing with me a lot of the time

3516
03:40:48,600 --> 03:40:53,200
so in the other direction So I
feel impressed here why we were

3517
03:40:53,200 --> 03:40:57,800
talking and she brought this up.
I wanted to see what the rates

3518
03:40:57,800 --> 03:40:59,700
were in Utah compared to the
rest of the nation.

3519
03:41:01,800 --> 03:41:06,000
Evidence suggests that rates of
Eating Disorders including

3520
03:41:06,000 --> 03:41:09,600
potential anorexia are hiring
Utah than the rest of the nation

3521
03:41:09,600 --> 03:41:13,200
particularly among adolescents
and women Studies have found

3522
03:41:13,200 --> 03:41:20,600
that nearly 3,000 girls roughly
4% of female students met the

3523
03:41:20,600 --> 03:41:27,200
criteria for potential. anorexia
I can't help but Wonder not

3524
03:41:27,200 --> 03:41:31,500
because I agree with you
Michaela 100% that a lot of this

3525
03:41:31,500 --> 03:41:35,500
is coming from abuse, which has
its own questions that need to

3526
03:41:35,500 --> 03:41:36,700
be answered.
Right?

3527
03:41:36,700 --> 03:41:43,400
Um, But also, if you saw as
creeping up there and plastic

3528
03:41:43,400 --> 03:41:48,900
surgery for for purely vanity,
yeah, I would imagine that these

3529
03:41:48,900 --> 03:41:51,300
numbers would follow and it
looks like they are right.

3530
03:41:51,300 --> 03:41:53,800
Like this seems the more we talk
here.

3531
03:41:53,800 --> 03:41:55,800
The more this seems to be a
problem.

3532
03:41:57,300 --> 03:41:59,800
And needs to be addressed
through churches.

3533
03:41:59,800 --> 03:42:02,800
Yeah, I would argue that the
numbers are actually probably

3534
03:42:02,800 --> 03:42:05,500
higher than that.
Because myself and a lot of

3535
03:42:05,500 --> 03:42:08,800
other people are never
officially diagnosed because

3536
03:42:08,800 --> 03:42:10,400
we're able to stay out of the
hospitals.

3537
03:42:10,400 --> 03:42:14,700
So like I was probably like five
to 10 pounds underweight for

3538
03:42:14,700 --> 03:42:17,800
years, but I kept it at such a
level that I was never

3539
03:42:17,800 --> 03:42:21,300
hospitalized.
I know people who got to a point

3540
03:42:21,308 --> 03:42:23,200
where they were passing out and
then they had to be taken to the

3541
03:42:23,208 --> 03:42:24,700
hospital and we're diagnosed
that way.

3542
03:42:24,700 --> 03:42:29,600
But there's a lot of cases that
are able to keep it just high

3543
03:42:29,600 --> 03:42:31,000
enough that they won't be
hospitalized.

3544
03:42:31,000 --> 03:42:33,900
But if you were to ever have a
doctor sit down with them, the

3545
03:42:33,900 --> 03:42:36,800
doctor would be like, yeah, you
have Anarchy and similar thing

3546
03:42:36,800 --> 03:42:42,100
for me like I was never
diagnosed it, you know, with my

3547
03:42:42,100 --> 03:42:45,800
blame me and never Hit the radar
of the statistics.

3548
03:42:45,800 --> 03:42:53,000
Yeah. she's, Through because
there's also a lot of Shame

3549
03:42:53,000 --> 03:42:54,700
wrapped up and eating disorders.
Yeah.

3550
03:42:54,700 --> 03:42:58,400
So nobody wants to talk about
it, so unless you get bad enough

3551
03:42:58,400 --> 03:43:02,200
to be hospitalized or things
like that, like No One's Gonna

3552
03:43:02,200 --> 03:43:05,500
know and it's never counted.
And also, I just say, people are

3553
03:43:05,500 --> 03:43:08,000
always better at hiding things
than you, give them credit.

3554
03:43:08,000 --> 03:43:10,600
Yeah.
There are all sorts of Tricks.

3555
03:43:10,600 --> 03:43:15,100
Mm-hmm.
And You know, at least for me,

3556
03:43:15,108 --> 03:43:17,400
like, I have a very loving, very
involved family.

3557
03:43:17,400 --> 03:43:25,800
I was homeschooled and even so,
um, This didn't really get

3558
03:43:25,800 --> 03:43:33,700
picked up on. so Zoe and your
case, do you feel like The

3559
03:43:33,700 --> 03:43:37,000
manifestation of that came from
societal pressures more than

3560
03:43:37,000 --> 03:43:40,100
anything else.
If it's not too personal of a

3561
03:43:40,100 --> 03:43:42,000
question, you can tell me to
shut my pie hole.

3562
03:43:42,000 --> 03:43:48,800
If it is, no, I I did have.
I think it was a couple of

3563
03:43:48,800 --> 03:43:52,600
things.
I think it's sharing at all as.

3564
03:43:53,600 --> 03:43:57,300
A sort of.
Trial response.

3565
03:43:58,600 --> 03:44:01,600
That was not sexually, not from
sexual abuse.

3566
03:44:02,400 --> 03:44:05,000
Um, that was weird and I might
maybe always had sort of

3567
03:44:05,000 --> 03:44:07,300
inclinations that direction and
that was very young.

3568
03:44:07,300 --> 03:44:08,200
That was like as a nine year
old.

3569
03:44:08,200 --> 03:44:13,200
Um, right.
And then a little bit later.

3570
03:44:14,700 --> 03:44:20,500
It was a combination of well.
I'm like overweight now I have

3571
03:44:20,500 --> 03:44:21,800
to fix that.
It's not beautiful.

3572
03:44:22,800 --> 03:44:28,500
And then coupled with, I did
have an experience. as a young

3573
03:44:28,500 --> 03:44:33,800
teenager that loves me as far as
like, sexuality nothing physical

3574
03:44:33,800 --> 03:44:37,100
happened, but it was More of an
emotional thing.

3575
03:44:37,100 --> 03:44:42,500
And so that it was a combination
of oh, well, I'm not beautiful

3576
03:44:42,500 --> 03:44:44,800
right now but I need to be
beautiful.

3577
03:44:44,800 --> 03:44:49,800
Um, and then I didn't tell you
that it was like oh I don't want

3578
03:44:49,800 --> 03:44:53,000
to be beautiful eyes.
So like this horrible mental

3579
03:44:53,000 --> 03:44:55,100
fight of like different levels
of the subconscious.

3580
03:44:55,100 --> 03:44:58,800
Like I need to be beautiful and
I don't want to be beautiful

3581
03:44:58,800 --> 03:45:00,300
because it's gonna get me a
tention.

3582
03:45:00,300 --> 03:45:02,500
I don't want but also I want the
attention.

3583
03:45:03,700 --> 03:45:08,100
Because one of the like, if not
the number one, like, really

3584
03:45:08,100 --> 03:45:11,200
high up their roots of any
eating, this order is control.

3585
03:45:11,200 --> 03:45:13,500
Something about my situation
feels uncontrollable.

3586
03:45:13,500 --> 03:45:15,400
So, this is the way I control
it.

3587
03:45:15,400 --> 03:45:18,700
I feel like I'm not beautiful.
I need to control my beauty and

3588
03:45:18,700 --> 03:45:20,100
so this is how I'm going to
control it.

3589
03:45:20,100 --> 03:45:23,500
My life is chaos right now.
My parents are getting a

3590
03:45:23,500 --> 03:45:25,000
divorce.
I'm being abused.

3591
03:45:25,000 --> 03:45:26,600
This thing or that thing is
happening.

3592
03:45:27,500 --> 03:45:30,000
I can control my food so I will
do that.

3593
03:45:30,000 --> 03:45:35,300
And it's one of the key markers
amongst anyone with an eating

3594
03:45:35,300 --> 03:45:38,300
disorder, as it's usually a
control issue and that's part of

3595
03:45:38,300 --> 03:45:44,000
where, like faith and letting go
let God kind of thing is, can be

3596
03:45:44,008 --> 03:45:48,500
helpful for coming out of that.
Part of it too.

3597
03:45:48,508 --> 03:45:53,400
So, for me personally, um,
because it's so for me, when I

3598
03:45:53,400 --> 03:45:55,900
start getting in that anarchy,
it started coming in more

3599
03:45:55,900 --> 03:46:01,400
subconsciously and my sister
struggle with it to varying

3600
03:46:01,400 --> 03:46:04,100
degrees as well.
And so we made our kitchen

3601
03:46:04,100 --> 03:46:05,900
motto.
We don't believe in Eating

3602
03:46:05,900 --> 03:46:08,300
Disorders.
So if anyone like was refusing

3603
03:46:08,300 --> 03:46:10,000
to eat or anything like that, we
would just go.

3604
03:46:10,000 --> 03:46:11,300
We don't believe in eating
disorder.

3605
03:46:11,300 --> 03:46:15,100
Isn't this household?
So probably a pretty healthy way

3606
03:46:15,100 --> 03:46:18,700
of dealing with that.
Yeah, so he's aren't real.

3607
03:46:18,700 --> 03:46:22,000
Yeah.
Right.

3608
03:46:23,300 --> 03:46:25,500
Yeah, probably that far but
yeah.

3609
03:46:30,500 --> 03:46:33,800
Okay, so manifestations the good
ones.

3610
03:46:33,800 --> 03:46:37,600
So this is I gotta say, this is
what yeah, this is what we see

3611
03:46:37,600 --> 03:46:43,200
as coming from a proper
understanding and okay

3612
03:46:43,200 --> 03:46:46,200
connection with sort of the
divine feminine and the that

3613
03:46:46,200 --> 03:46:48,200
tradition within Mormonism.
Yeah.

3614
03:46:49,000 --> 03:46:52,600
She's already talked about the
modesty one bailing your body

3615
03:46:52,608 --> 03:46:56,300
because it's a sacred thing and
we want to keep sacred things

3616
03:46:56,300 --> 03:46:59,300
sacred healthy sexuality.
We talked about this a little

3617
03:46:59,308 --> 03:47:03,800
bit but realizing it's good
within the confines of marriage

3618
03:47:03,800 --> 03:47:07,000
and then it's not an evil.
Gross thing.

3619
03:47:07,000 --> 03:47:09,700
Is there anything you want to
see?

3620
03:47:09,700 --> 03:47:10,700
No.
Yeah.

3621
03:47:10,700 --> 03:47:13,800
Having healthy, stable
relationships, and sort of

3622
03:47:13,808 --> 03:47:20,000
hating everyone around you.
Taking care of your body, you'll

3623
03:47:20,000 --> 03:47:24,100
eat healthy good, hygiene
training your body as a temple.

3624
03:47:25,100 --> 03:47:30,200
I've heard before that.
Real self-care is body care.

3625
03:47:30,200 --> 03:47:33,200
If you're doing the like
watching TV shows and taking

3626
03:47:33,200 --> 03:47:37,800
bubble baths, but you're not
exercising and eating healthy or

3627
03:47:37,800 --> 03:47:39,600
anything like that.
You're not actually doing

3628
03:47:39,600 --> 03:47:41,400
self-care.
You're doing fake self-care.

3629
03:47:43,200 --> 03:47:47,200
And then having loving families
because we love children.

3630
03:47:47,200 --> 03:47:49,800
We see that they're great, they
can see that they're not a

3631
03:47:49,800 --> 03:47:54,500
burden and they do not ruin our
entire lives. and having to

3632
03:47:54,500 --> 03:47:58,200
Children barring things like
infertility or for some reason,

3633
03:47:58,200 --> 03:48:02,800
if you're unable to get married
And then also that.

3634
03:48:05,200 --> 03:48:08,500
Accessing God's power, were
women performed, the living

3635
03:48:08,500 --> 03:48:11,200
ordinances.
So like we give birth, we feed

3636
03:48:11,200 --> 03:48:14,200
our children.
Things like that, where then you

3637
03:48:14,200 --> 03:48:17,400
have the sacrament and baptism
done by the men.

3638
03:48:19,700 --> 03:48:22,400
That's a great Point.
Yeah, that is a great.

3639
03:48:22,408 --> 03:48:25,300
I like that a lot, the living
ordinances.

3640
03:48:25,300 --> 03:48:29,400
I hadn't even thought about And
we talk about the birth versus

3641
03:48:29,400 --> 03:48:31,600
Badges and things I hadn't
thought about like

3642
03:48:31,600 --> 03:48:32,600
breastfeeding.
Yeah.

3643
03:48:32,600 --> 03:48:36,400
And then you also like mothers,
give their children baths and

3644
03:48:36,400 --> 03:48:39,500
help make sure they're clothed.
Like it's usually the mother

3645
03:48:39,500 --> 03:48:42,500
doing that.
And then like yeah, like you

3646
03:48:42,500 --> 03:48:46,200
have the washing and the Ninja
Turtles done by the women but

3647
03:48:46,200 --> 03:48:49,600
like the endowment and
everything like it's very

3648
03:48:49,600 --> 03:48:53,500
interesting some of the
parallels there is that's that's

3649
03:48:53,500 --> 03:48:55,500
a great Insight okay?
Yeah.

3650
03:48:56,500 --> 03:49:00,300
Okay.
I credit all of that too.

3651
03:49:00,300 --> 03:49:02,500
Consider yourself as Eve by
Megan partner.

3652
03:49:02,500 --> 03:49:04,700
She's fat butt pointed out to
me.

3653
03:49:05,400 --> 03:49:07,500
That's, that's awesome.
That's that's good.

3654
03:49:08,900 --> 03:49:14,300
Sorry, I finished it.
Like we need a bibliography for

3655
03:49:14,300 --> 03:49:17,000
this.
No no, it's good.

3656
03:49:17,000 --> 03:49:21,000
So they'll blame me if
anything's know I mean like as

3657
03:49:21,000 --> 03:49:22,900
far as like here in the
description and like here's like

3658
03:49:22,900 --> 03:49:28,200
all the poster.
Like a good inside.

3659
03:49:28,200 --> 03:49:30,600
They're like, I just wanted a
podcast.

3660
03:49:30,600 --> 03:49:33,100
I'm listening to this because
I'm not reading.

3661
03:49:35,900 --> 03:49:39,600
You can get books as audiobooks
and all you have time is still

3662
03:49:39,600 --> 03:49:42,400
okay.
I'll tell you what, the scariest

3663
03:49:42,400 --> 03:49:44,600
thing I ever read concerning
this podcast.

3664
03:49:44,600 --> 03:49:48,200
Is someone says, it's great.
That's kind of what I do for

3665
03:49:48,200 --> 03:49:50,700
church.
And I'm like, no, you should not

3666
03:49:50,700 --> 03:49:54,700
be using this for that.
Like you don't want that.

3667
03:49:54,700 --> 03:49:59,900
You need to go somewhere else.
Well, there's a call butt too

3668
03:49:59,900 --> 03:50:03,400
even if it's terrified.
This is not true.

3669
03:50:05,200 --> 03:50:08,600
I make far too many football
references and smoking, meat

3670
03:50:08,600 --> 03:50:11,500
references to have to be
anything close to church.

3671
03:50:11,500 --> 03:50:16,800
And there you see the problem
over like demanding church and

3672
03:50:16,800 --> 03:50:24,000
bring back all of that stuff.
Sunday afternoon, brisket

3673
03:50:24,000 --> 03:50:24,700
smokes.
Yeah.

3674
03:50:26,400 --> 03:50:28,300
Brisket, while you have your
elders core meeting.

3675
03:50:28,300 --> 03:50:30,400
I see no problem with that.
Actually, I think it could be

3676
03:50:30,408 --> 03:50:32,100
quite good.
I think I heard somebody where

3677
03:50:32,100 --> 03:50:35,100
they're like the Bishops out of
town, we're doing Chick-fil-A

3678
03:50:35,100 --> 03:50:38,200
and they like, yes, it took
place on Sunday.

3679
03:50:38,200 --> 03:50:41,300
So the guy KFC.
But they're like, we need the

3680
03:50:41,300 --> 03:50:43,100
men to just sit down.
Eat me and talk.

3681
03:50:43,100 --> 03:50:45,800
That's the only way to get them
to talk is to feed the meat.

3682
03:50:45,800 --> 03:50:50,100
Look, there's a lot truth to
that and to go along with how

3683
03:50:50,100 --> 03:50:53,300
serious I am.
There's only there's there's

3684
03:50:53,300 --> 03:50:58,900
there was one guy that I really
trusted to have my smoker when I

3685
03:50:58,900 --> 03:51:01,700
moved to Missouri.
When someone said, how committed

3686
03:51:01,700 --> 03:51:03,100
was?
I to go to Missouri.

3687
03:51:04,200 --> 03:51:08,700
I was like, I'm all in.
And then when I found out that I

3688
03:51:08,700 --> 03:51:12,000
didn't have room and was gonna
have to leave my smoker, I was

3689
03:51:12,000 --> 03:51:15,500
like, she's got to go to a good
home and she went to Josh's

3690
03:51:15,500 --> 03:51:18,600
house.
I'm like, I trust Josh, he can

3691
03:51:18,600 --> 03:51:23,200
have this and I'm like, I'm not
gonna charge it cuz it's like

3692
03:51:23,200 --> 03:51:26,600
how do you put a price on
something that sacred just take

3693
03:51:26,600 --> 03:51:28,300
it?
Give it a good home.

3694
03:51:28,300 --> 03:51:32,200
So, shout out Josh for that.
Yes.

3695
03:51:32,200 --> 03:51:36,600
Yes.
Okay, we're so close almost.

3696
03:51:38,500 --> 03:51:42,400
Okay, here we go.
So more large scale effects of

3697
03:51:42,400 --> 03:51:45,400
misunderstandings
misconceptions.

3698
03:51:45,400 --> 03:51:49,000
Skewing things obviously gender
Wars.

3699
03:51:50,000 --> 03:51:53,600
You see that?
um, where like you, you had this

3700
03:51:53,600 --> 03:51:57,400
thing of like Yes, there's the
gender War but everyone's

3701
03:51:57,400 --> 03:52:00,400
Sleeping with the Enemy.
So not much will come from it

3702
03:52:00,400 --> 03:52:07,400
but like with the rise of lgbtq
that's increased tension. so

3703
03:52:07,400 --> 03:52:14,800
right, um, transgenderism and
cross-dressing, we see this as

3704
03:52:14,800 --> 03:52:20,500
part of Ishtar worship, if being
a woman is bad, temptation to

3705
03:52:20,500 --> 03:52:25,900
transition goes up as you have
transition as Acceptable and

3706
03:52:25,900 --> 03:52:28,200
even applauded.
And then on the flip note if

3707
03:52:28,200 --> 03:52:32,100
there's an idea of femininity as
very superficial and vapid then

3708
03:52:32,100 --> 03:52:34,700
it makes the men who want to
turn this and think that they

3709
03:52:34,700 --> 03:52:35,900
can be a woman.
Yeah.

3710
03:52:35,900 --> 03:52:37,800
From all of the Aesthetics and
the outward.

3711
03:52:37,800 --> 03:52:40,800
Yeah.
Um, and if gender isn't, he

3712
03:52:40,800 --> 03:52:43,600
turned on any essential then why
not transition?

3713
03:52:43,600 --> 03:52:47,200
What's the argument?
I Right.

3714
03:52:47,200 --> 03:52:51,800
And that's look.
It, there's a common

3715
03:52:51,800 --> 03:52:54,500
misconception out there that I
hate the LDS church and that's

3716
03:52:54,500 --> 03:52:56,400
nothing.
Could be further from the truth.

3717
03:52:56,400 --> 03:53:04,200
I, I enjoyed my time there.
And I'm rooting for the LDS

3718
03:53:04,200 --> 03:53:06,000
church.
I hope that one day.

3719
03:53:06,000 --> 03:53:08,100
They just canonized the family.
Proclamation.

3720
03:53:08,100 --> 03:53:11,900
Yeah because that will put that
debate to bed at least within

3721
03:53:11,900 --> 03:53:14,900
the church and I'm really
hopeful for that.

3722
03:53:17,300 --> 03:53:23,700
Sorry because gender is a vital
part of who we are.

3723
03:53:23,700 --> 03:53:26,000
Yeah.
And we can try to deny that all

3724
03:53:26,000 --> 03:53:30,400
we want, but the truth is, is
that it is at its core of who we

3725
03:53:30,400 --> 03:53:31,800
are as people.
Yeah.

3726
03:53:31,800 --> 03:53:36,500
And if that can be fluid,
There's nothing left to tether

3727
03:53:36,500 --> 03:53:38,900
to.
You can just throw off and you

3728
03:53:38,900 --> 03:53:43,100
shackle, you want and recall
sorts of havoc in society.

3729
03:53:44,100 --> 03:53:50,600
Yeah.
Okay, we also see Nuns.

3730
03:53:50,800 --> 03:53:57,500
Know when yes or growing 2023
survey of unaffiliated with

3731
03:53:57,500 --> 03:53:59,300
religion.
This is from the American Survey

3732
03:53:59,300 --> 03:54:06,000
Center said amongst Millennials
37% of men and 34% of women were

3733
03:54:06,000 --> 03:54:11,700
unaffiliated with religion and
of Jen X 34% of men and 39% of

3734
03:54:11,700 --> 03:54:14,200
women are unaffiliated with
religion.

3735
03:54:14,200 --> 03:54:17,200
So we are actually seeing
growing numbers of women being

3736
03:54:17,200 --> 03:54:20,200
unaffiliated with religion and
this doesn't necessarily mean

3737
03:54:20,200 --> 03:54:24,600
atheist it can just it can
connect it can mean spiritual

3738
03:54:25,500 --> 03:54:30,100
Which is a very vague term but
because again if you have a this

3739
03:54:30,100 --> 03:54:32,900
has been a problem with the
masculine side if you have if

3740
03:54:32,900 --> 03:54:36,700
you think that your religion.
Doesn't like you if you think

3741
03:54:36,700 --> 03:54:39,100
your religion has no place for
the things you feel like

3742
03:54:39,100 --> 03:54:41,400
obviously, you're not gonna feel
it.

3743
03:54:41,400 --> 03:54:48,000
Yeah. of the of those who
identify as an affiliated.

3744
03:54:48,900 --> 03:54:55,200
In the millennial generation you
have 503% men and 47% Women

3745
03:54:55,200 --> 03:55:00,600
Within the N Affiliated bracket
of the numbers and in gen Z 46%

3746
03:55:00,600 --> 03:55:04,000
men 50 for percent women.
All right.

3747
03:55:04,800 --> 03:55:10,400
So, within an Affiliated in our
generation, we are seeing More

3748
03:55:10,400 --> 03:55:14,500
women end up in that territory.
And I would guess that a lot of

3749
03:55:14,500 --> 03:55:18,600
those women are actually in that
like agnostic spiritual rather

3750
03:55:18,600 --> 03:55:22,500
than atheist You're going to see
more men within the atheist

3751
03:55:22,500 --> 03:55:25,900
sphere.
So I I have I have a question on

3752
03:55:25,900 --> 03:55:29,000
that stat.
With more women becoming an

3753
03:55:29,000 --> 03:55:30,200
affiliated with religious
groups.

3754
03:55:32,300 --> 03:55:37,100
Could any of that?
Be due to the fact that they

3755
03:55:37,100 --> 03:55:39,800
feel like they can't find a man
in there because we kind of

3756
03:55:39,800 --> 03:55:42,100
touched on this.
They can't find a good man

3757
03:55:42,100 --> 03:55:46,100
inside their religion.
It could be that it could cut

3758
03:55:46,108 --> 03:55:51,400
off.
So be this idea that religion is

3759
03:55:51,400 --> 03:55:55,000
misogynistic and hates them and
there's no place for them there.

3760
03:55:55,000 --> 03:55:57,200
There's lots of factors that go
in to that.

3761
03:56:00,100 --> 03:56:04,300
You also have Pagan worship,
increasing, where you see new

3762
03:56:04,300 --> 03:56:07,600
ages them like new wages.
I'm still pretty small but

3763
03:56:07,600 --> 03:56:13,500
you're seeing it show up more
and more like Even within shows,

3764
03:56:13,500 --> 03:56:15,200
you'll see like we do boards a
lot.

3765
03:56:15,208 --> 03:56:18,100
You'll see the crystals things
like that.

3766
03:56:19,300 --> 03:56:22,900
All right, we have a declining
Birthright.

3767
03:56:24,900 --> 03:56:28,100
What is this one from?
I forgot to include which source

3768
03:56:28,100 --> 03:56:31,900
I pulled this from, but live
births per thousand people in

3769
03:56:31,900 --> 03:56:36,400
1950 was 24.27 and 2025 is
11.99.

3770
03:56:36,400 --> 03:56:42,000
So, we have have our birth rates
and the past 75 years.

3771
03:56:42,900 --> 03:56:46,400
I think we fell below
replacement rate, like five

3772
03:56:46,400 --> 03:56:47,700
years ago.
Yeah, I was.

3773
03:56:47,700 --> 03:56:55,400
Including in When you fall below
replacement, right?

3774
03:56:55,400 --> 03:56:58,700
At some point, that means
there's damage that you can't

3775
03:56:58,700 --> 03:57:03,700
undo right there will be a
generation at which everything

3776
03:57:03,700 --> 03:57:08,100
breaks, yeah, financially
included right there will not be

3777
03:57:08,100 --> 03:57:13,200
replacement rate and that means
that Society is we know what

3778
03:57:13,200 --> 03:57:15,200
will function differently.
Yeah.

3779
03:57:16,800 --> 03:57:22,900
Look at one million 38,000 of
abortions were provided by

3780
03:57:22,900 --> 03:57:25,000
clinicians and states without
total bands.

3781
03:57:25,000 --> 03:57:29,800
In 2024, a less than one percent
increase from 2023 and an

3782
03:57:29,800 --> 03:57:35,500
increase of 12% from 2020. oh,
Yeah.

3783
03:57:38,800 --> 03:57:42,300
That's good.
Yeah, you also have the

3784
03:57:42,300 --> 03:57:44,600
depression epidemic and suicide
statistics.

3785
03:57:44,600 --> 03:57:47,200
I'm not sure if you tells the
worst date but I know it's

3786
03:57:47,200 --> 03:57:50,000
definitely up there if it's not
the worst, it's pretty close.

3787
03:57:50,000 --> 03:57:56,200
And this comes from the CDC.
There were 49,000 suicides in

3788
03:57:56,200 --> 03:58:01,200
2023 12.8 million.
Have seriously thought about

3789
03:58:01,200 --> 03:58:05,500
suicide 3.7 million have made a
plan and 1.5 million have

3790
03:58:05,500 --> 03:58:08,200
attempted suicide.
There are more reported

3791
03:58:08,200 --> 03:58:10,200
attempted.
So there are more suicides

3792
03:58:10,200 --> 03:58:13,400
performed by men than there are
women but there are more

3793
03:58:13,400 --> 03:58:17,800
reported attempted suicides or
made a plan by women than men.

3794
03:58:17,800 --> 03:58:21,100
And the depression is higher
amongst women than men.

3795
03:58:22,000 --> 03:58:25,500
But it actually being carried
out is seen higher within men.

3796
03:58:26,200 --> 03:58:28,700
Depression is higher in women
than men 16%.

3797
03:58:30,000 --> 03:58:35,900
So, 16% of women compared to
10.1% of men for depression,

3798
03:58:35,900 --> 03:58:39,200
from the CDC.
There's lots of factors that go

3799
03:58:39,200 --> 03:58:42,300
into depression, so this isn't
just because women don't have a

3800
03:58:42,300 --> 03:58:44,700
place but that doesn't help
depression.

3801
03:58:46,600 --> 03:58:49,500
Okay, so that's that's the
that's the negative side

3802
03:58:49,500 --> 03:58:52,800
pressure that the pressing you
better.

3803
03:58:52,800 --> 03:58:56,800
Be careful mikilo, we're gonna
podcast.

3804
03:58:56,800 --> 03:58:59,600
Oh, That's okay.
Good to God.

3805
03:58:59,600 --> 03:59:02,800
He'll save you.
But then I guess the flip side

3806
03:59:02,800 --> 03:59:06,800
is what we'd hoped would happen
which is sort of large societal

3807
03:59:06,800 --> 03:59:11,800
level affects of understanding.
Yeah so the first one is like

3808
03:59:11,800 --> 03:59:18,000
obviously worked towards Um,
resolving sort of gender board.

3809
03:59:18,000 --> 03:59:20,200
When you when you have an
understanding of the place is

3810
03:59:20,208 --> 03:59:23,000
for everybody, but you don't
need to fight, right?

3811
03:59:23,000 --> 03:59:27,800
Um, also like more Sisterhood,
right?

3812
03:59:27,800 --> 03:59:31,100
That's so it's so important for
so many reasons, especially

3813
03:59:31,100 --> 03:59:35,100
because having children is so
hard and like having a community

3814
03:59:35,100 --> 03:59:38,200
is a really good way to help
alleviate that reduce

3815
03:59:38,200 --> 03:59:41,400
postpartum, depression and
anxiety, and all that stuff.

3816
03:59:41,400 --> 03:59:47,100
And um, When you have the sort
of the vanity or like the sort

3817
03:59:47,100 --> 03:59:50,100
of original Relief Society, I
think it's a lot better of a

3818
03:59:50,108 --> 03:59:51,200
structure.
Hypothetically.

3819
03:59:51,200 --> 03:59:56,900
Um, then what we have now and
Um, so Smith said, the churches

3820
03:59:56,900 --> 03:59:59,100
not fully organized without the
woman being organized.

3821
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:01,200
Right.
He's right.

3822
04:00:02,900 --> 04:00:05,500
Um, there's much more General
perspective, right?

3823
04:00:05,500 --> 04:00:10,300
We have perspective.
But yes Eternal perspective. um,

3824
04:00:10,300 --> 04:00:15,100
because again all the things
things are broken now, but

3825
04:00:15,100 --> 04:00:19,200
they're not going to be broken.
People grow old and they die now

3826
04:00:19,200 --> 04:00:23,500
but they're not gonna go old and
die all of the the Brokenness in

3827
04:00:23,500 --> 04:00:27,500
the world.
This is something that I love so

3828
04:00:27,500 --> 04:00:32,500
about my own religion.
I'm like, oh so one of the major

3829
04:00:32,500 --> 04:00:35,200
conundrums of philosophical
thought out of religious thought

3830
04:00:35,200 --> 04:00:38,400
is the problem of evil the
problem of evil.

3831
04:00:38,400 --> 04:00:42,400
Why do bad things happen?
Why do babies die?

3832
04:00:42,400 --> 04:00:48,400
Why does God allow all of this
Badness and I remember one time

3833
04:00:48,400 --> 04:00:51,900
the listening to One of Dennis
prager's Fireside Chats.

3834
04:00:52,500 --> 04:00:55,300
And he said that the problem of
evil was the one thing he had

3835
04:00:55,300 --> 04:00:57,500
not.
How did not have an answer to

3836
04:00:58,800 --> 04:01:02,300
Which is amazing to me because I
think he's very wise man and

3837
04:01:02,300 --> 04:01:08,300
having the answers to lots of
things but for me. it's not a

3838
04:01:09,600 --> 04:01:13,300
because I have, I have two
things that make it, so it

3839
04:01:13,300 --> 04:01:18,900
doesn't bother me.
Um, one is that the acknowledged

3840
04:01:18,900 --> 04:01:21,000
that the world in and of itself
is fallen?

3841
04:01:21,000 --> 04:01:24,200
So why does God let the natural
adapt?

3842
04:01:24,200 --> 04:01:26,300
The disasters happen.
Why does God make babies born

3843
04:01:26,300 --> 04:01:30,600
without eyes?
You know, it's like well, It's

3844
04:01:30,600 --> 04:01:34,100
corrupted world.
People do corrupted things.

3845
04:01:34,900 --> 04:01:38,200
The nature is itself, fallen.
And that doesn't mean that was

3846
04:01:38,200 --> 04:01:40,500
God's plan, or that he joys in
that.

3847
04:01:40,500 --> 04:01:44,100
But it is the case.
And then the other is the fact

3848
04:01:44,100 --> 04:01:49,500
that well, this isn't it, right?
If this life were it, then when

3849
04:01:49,500 --> 04:01:52,800
I see people who have these who
have struggles or I have

3850
04:01:52,800 --> 04:01:55,800
struggles of my own that like
how can this possibly be fair?

3851
04:01:55,800 --> 04:02:00,000
How can God possibly love me
when I only get this one life?

3852
04:02:00,000 --> 04:02:04,200
And maybe my life isn't as great
as I wanted to be.

3853
04:02:05,800 --> 04:02:08,700
But how do you have?
Oh well this again this isn't

3854
04:02:08,700 --> 04:02:12,600
the end, there's something so
much bigger and it's going to be

3855
04:02:12,600 --> 04:02:16,300
a I firmly it's gonna be, you
know, a bad summer camp.

3856
04:02:16,900 --> 04:02:18,200
We're all gonna get off this
place.

3857
04:02:19,100 --> 04:02:22,200
And be like, oh, haha, do you
remember when this happened?

3858
04:02:22,200 --> 04:02:23,400
Wasn't that?
So awful.

3859
04:02:23,400 --> 04:02:26,100
Like I do now, you know, we go
on a road trip.

3860
04:02:26,100 --> 04:02:29,900
Get a flat tire super Pride.
Somebody gets burned.

3861
04:02:29,900 --> 04:02:33,100
Like oh, like wasn't that so
funny.

3862
04:02:33,100 --> 04:02:37,400
And I see that being with this
world in another self.

3863
04:02:38,600 --> 04:02:44,800
Um, and like hopefully you grew
I'm very much believe in finding

3864
04:02:44,800 --> 04:02:49,900
the good and the bad.
And going yeah, there's bad

3865
04:02:49,900 --> 04:02:52,800
thing happened.
It kind of sucked but here's all

3866
04:02:52,800 --> 04:02:55,200
the things it taught me.
And here's the good that came

3867
04:02:55,200 --> 04:03:00,600
out of it.
I think there's just more

3868
04:03:00,600 --> 04:03:04,800
confidence that goes along with
this the identity right of

3869
04:03:04,800 --> 04:03:07,000
daughters of God mothers and
Zion.

3870
04:03:07,700 --> 04:03:10,800
Um and the humility that goes
along with that and then also

3871
04:03:10,800 --> 04:03:15,000
when you have that I can when
you realize your place when you

3872
04:03:15,000 --> 04:03:18,200
see God as your father when you
realize that there are there are

3873
04:03:18,200 --> 04:03:22,700
these things in these gifts and
these callings accessible. then

3874
04:03:24,100 --> 04:03:26,700
you can you can you have a
knowledge to be able to ask for

3875
04:03:26,700 --> 04:03:29,400
them?
and as a whole I think it would

3876
04:03:29,400 --> 04:03:32,800
bring much more spiritual power
to the church because right now

3877
04:03:33,800 --> 04:03:37,900
Um sort of cut off from a lot of
that and so we were weaker than

3878
04:03:37,908 --> 04:03:40,600
we could be we have fewer.
Yes of the spirit.

3879
04:03:40,608 --> 04:03:43,500
Then we could have there's less
Priestess than we could have.

3880
04:03:43,500 --> 04:03:46,600
There's a quote from a woman and
Mormon Dom where it's talking

3881
04:03:46,600 --> 04:03:51,500
about how when you have good
rides yourself bad rise, too

3882
04:03:51,500 --> 04:03:55,300
because what good rice good
rise.

3883
04:03:55,300 --> 04:04:01,000
Yeah when good Rises.
Yeah, um, you have bad rice too

3884
04:04:01,000 --> 04:04:03,100
because there must be an
opposition in all things and it

3885
04:04:03,100 --> 04:04:06,300
says to this is to be attributed
the decline of spiritual gifts

3886
04:04:06,300 --> 04:04:09,700
and a later period in the Mormon
church for the spirits were

3887
04:04:09,700 --> 04:04:11,500
poured out.
So abundantly that the Saints

3888
04:04:11,500 --> 04:04:15,300
began to fear vision and angels
and prophecy and the speaking in

3889
04:04:15,300 --> 04:04:17,900
tongues.
Thus the sisters who are ever

3890
04:04:17,900 --> 04:04:21,300
the best mediums of spiritual
gifts in the church have in

3891
04:04:21,300 --> 04:04:23,000
latter years been shorn of their
Glory.

3892
04:04:24,800 --> 04:04:30,800
And that's an 1877.
That is a kind of a damning

3893
04:04:30,800 --> 04:04:32,100
statement.
Holy cow.

3894
04:04:33,800 --> 04:04:36,500
Oh and when we understand
Mormonism we can have that.

3895
04:04:37,600 --> 04:04:39,800
Yep, that's cool.
It's available.

3896
04:04:39,800 --> 04:04:43,000
Now.
It's not a it's not a problem of

3897
04:04:43,000 --> 04:04:45,300
us waiting on God God's giving
us the formula.

3898
04:04:45,300 --> 04:04:52,000
We just got to implement it.
Yeah, right. so, I think it's

3899
04:04:52,000 --> 04:04:57,000
about our notes, the sort of
conclusion in color.

3900
04:04:57,000 --> 04:05:01,500
Yeah.
This they're in within true,

3901
04:05:01,500 --> 04:05:04,900
modernism.
And, and I don't know that

3902
04:05:04,900 --> 04:05:08,300
anybody's doing all the trauma.
Be that Les Church, be that the

3903
04:05:08,300 --> 04:05:12,800
Fundamentalist. this is why I'm
not saying fundamentals and true

3904
04:05:12,800 --> 04:05:15,300
Mormonism, which ought to be
synonymous but unfortunately

3905
04:05:15,300 --> 04:05:23,200
aren't within more than there's
room for A feminine God there's

3906
04:05:23,200 --> 04:05:28,600
room for you know the the role
of women and feminine power.

3907
04:05:28,600 --> 04:05:32,700
And again some of these terms
have baggage but at their core I

3908
04:05:32,700 --> 04:05:35,900
think there's truth like this
could bring so many blessings

3909
04:05:35,900 --> 04:05:39,100
and here so many problems we
have now.

3910
04:05:40,300 --> 04:05:43,000
Um, and so then, you know, what
do you do?

3911
04:05:43,000 --> 04:05:47,300
Well, you need to, you know, for
you the listener, like learn

3912
04:05:47,300 --> 04:05:55,500
your own religion. and realize,
you know, the value of the place

3913
04:05:55,500 --> 04:05:59,900
and they did any and um,
understanding that you are

3914
04:05:59,900 --> 04:06:04,600
literal child.
A loving set of heavenly parents

3915
04:06:04,600 --> 04:06:08,400
who have only your best
interests at heart all the time.

3916
04:06:09,000 --> 04:06:11,900
And that because you are
literally their child you have

3917
04:06:11,900 --> 04:06:14,100
the right.
To call on them.

3918
04:06:14,800 --> 04:06:19,500
To speak to access power and
blessings from the Heavenly

3919
04:06:19,500 --> 04:06:23,000
realm and that you don't belong
here on this Earth.

3920
04:06:24,200 --> 04:06:26,800
Um that you know Heaven is your
home.

3921
04:06:27,400 --> 04:06:31,400
And that the fallenness is a
temporary thing, but doesn't

3922
04:06:31,400 --> 04:06:39,400
mean that what is Fallen is bad.
It's Fallen. check and we don't

3923
04:06:39,400 --> 04:06:42,700
need to throw out the vine
Permanente and we don't need to

3924
04:06:42,700 --> 04:06:46,700
go to Pagan got us as for it and
said we can go to God we can go

3925
04:06:46,700 --> 04:06:48,200
to scripture.
We can go to the words of the

3926
04:06:48,200 --> 04:06:54,500
Prophet because it is there and
it does exist if we look and we

3927
04:06:54,500 --> 04:06:58,800
do so with a prayerful heart.
So I'm other sources that might

3928
04:06:58,800 --> 04:07:03,100
be helpful the origin and
Destiny of woman by John Taylor.

3929
04:07:03,100 --> 04:07:05,800
It's about two pages.
I'm not going to read it now

3930
04:07:05,800 --> 04:07:09,600
because it's kind of long and
then Elijah snow wrote a poem

3931
04:07:09,600 --> 04:07:14,100
called a woman also just reading
through Eliza Snow's discourses

3932
04:07:14,100 --> 04:07:16,900
and poetry and stuff as great
highly recommend.

3933
04:07:16,900 --> 04:07:19,000
I personally don't agree with
everything.

3934
04:07:19,000 --> 04:07:20,300
She says she has a couple
points.

3935
04:07:20,300 --> 04:07:23,900
She likes to get on a lot that I
don't necessarily agree with but

3936
04:07:24,800 --> 04:07:27,000
That they're really good places
to at least start.

3937
04:07:27,000 --> 04:07:29,300
And again, this these things
were there.

3938
04:07:29,300 --> 04:07:32,800
Yeah.
We are not coming and saying

3939
04:07:32,800 --> 04:07:36,000
anything new.
Yeah, it all is already there

3940
04:07:36,000 --> 04:07:40,300
and you just have to realize it
and that is what Mormonism ought

3941
04:07:40,300 --> 04:07:42,000
to be its supposed to be all the
truth.

3942
04:07:42,000 --> 04:07:46,400
All right.
That's a very good and so, the

3943
04:07:46,400 --> 04:07:51,000
truth about The roles a men and
women and the truth about where

3944
04:07:51,000 --> 04:07:53,800
Beauty actually comes from and
the truth about creation and the

3945
04:07:53,800 --> 04:07:58,900
SAT self-sacrificial Christ like
nature of motherhood and of

3946
04:07:58,900 --> 04:08:03,000
living ordinances and the union
of the spiritual and the

3947
04:08:03,000 --> 04:08:06,900
physical that all is already
there and all change the way you

3948
04:08:06,900 --> 04:08:09,800
see so much stuff for the
better?

3949
04:08:09,800 --> 04:08:12,800
I hope.
Yeah, absolutely.

3950
04:08:13,700 --> 04:08:16,700
I'll say this in conclusion and
I'll throw it back to you guys.

3951
04:08:16,700 --> 04:08:21,300
If you have any other thing you
want to say For a little while.

3952
04:08:21,300 --> 04:08:24,900
Now, I've been very concerned
with the generation coming up.

3953
04:08:26,000 --> 04:08:31,400
Not just a Mormons either.
Um, as I look around, I don't

3954
04:08:31,400 --> 04:08:34,400
think I've ever seen and
certainly, I haven't been able

3955
04:08:34,400 --> 04:08:39,400
to find in history in American
history a time where so many of

3956
04:08:39,400 --> 04:08:44,500
our youth are so nihilistic.
mmm, and that concerns me deeply

3957
04:08:45,800 --> 04:08:50,500
because I look around and and in
all honesty.

3958
04:08:52,400 --> 04:08:56,100
While there are certainly some
dark things going on, right we

3959
04:08:56,100 --> 04:09:00,300
can't discount that by and large
we're safer as people than we've

3960
04:09:00,300 --> 04:09:04,600
ever been before right in terms
of physical safety not to say

3961
04:09:04,608 --> 04:09:06,200
bad things don't happen, but
it's true.

3962
04:09:08,300 --> 04:09:11,200
We have medical advancements
that are miracles.

3963
04:09:13,600 --> 04:09:17,900
But yet we're more disconnected
and more nihilistic than ever.

3964
04:09:19,800 --> 04:09:23,800
and you guys kind of touched on
it in this last little bit.

3965
04:09:25,800 --> 04:09:30,800
We've got to restore hope back
to Youth and a large and not

3966
04:09:30,800 --> 04:09:33,500
just young men, but young women
as well.

3967
04:09:34,200 --> 04:09:37,600
And that's going to be a heavy
lift for everybody involved.

3968
04:09:38,400 --> 04:09:44,900
But we don't have a choice.
And a large part of this is

3969
04:09:44,900 --> 04:09:51,900
learning to heal.
From some of the harmful ideas

3970
04:09:51,900 --> 04:09:53,800
we have that surround gender
both.

3971
04:09:54,700 --> 04:09:58,000
From the, from the masculine and
The Feminine sides.

3972
04:09:59,500 --> 04:10:02,100
But to get there, we're going to
have to make peace with who we

3973
04:10:02,100 --> 04:10:04,600
are as people.
And I don't think we can make

3974
04:10:04,600 --> 04:10:08,700
peace with who we are as people,
those things that are divinely

3975
04:10:08,700 --> 04:10:13,400
attached to being either male or
female until we view it through

3976
04:10:13,400 --> 04:10:16,900
the lens of the Gospel.
I think that is the healing balm

3977
04:10:16,900 --> 04:10:20,800
that has to be applied if we
want to get there and so much of

3978
04:10:20,800 --> 04:10:25,400
what you ladies have presented
here. is is pointing in that

3979
04:10:25,400 --> 04:10:29,400
direction and I think people
need to key in on that because

3980
04:10:29,400 --> 04:10:34,500
it is a problem that quite
frankly We've arrived, we've

3981
04:10:34,500 --> 04:10:37,500
arrived at the Event Horizon.
Here we are below.

3982
04:10:38,900 --> 04:10:41,700
Replacement rate, which concerns
me greatly.

3983
04:10:41,700 --> 04:10:47,200
We are seeing less and less
marriage happen. we're seeing

3984
04:10:47,200 --> 04:10:53,500
more abortion than ever, we are
seeing More quite frankly.

3985
04:10:54,500 --> 04:10:58,300
selfishness being put on the
same level that the virtue of

3986
04:10:58,300 --> 04:11:02,100
being selfless used to be We
live in the age of the selfie

3987
04:11:02,100 --> 04:11:05,800
and that's manifesting in some
pretty horrific ways, plastic

3988
04:11:05,800 --> 04:11:10,100
surgery being one of them.
But we can't have healing but

3989
04:11:10,100 --> 04:11:13,000
you're gonna have to be healed
by the great healer.

3990
04:11:13,000 --> 04:11:16,600
That's Jesus Christ and I'll
throw it back to you guys to

3991
04:11:16,600 --> 04:11:20,900
wrap this up.
I don't know if we have much

3992
04:11:20,900 --> 04:11:22,300
more to be honest.
Amen.

3993
04:11:22,300 --> 04:11:26,000
He said.
Take good problems to the feet

3994
04:11:26,008 --> 04:11:29,100
of the Lord know I I think you
guys hang out for just five

3995
04:11:29,100 --> 04:11:30,600
minutes.
All right, sounds good.

3996
04:11:31,400 --> 04:11:33,100
All right.
Bye everybody.

3997
04:11:33,100 --> 04:11:34,200
Bye.