The 5,000 Year Leap Discussion Group #7

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OK, we might as well go ahead
and get started here.

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We waited till till about 5
minutes after and I think that

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counts as Mormon Standard Time.
So, Justin, can you go ahead and

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just give us a quick opening
prayer, please?

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Yeah, sure thing.
Our Father in heaven, we are

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grateful that we can gather here
together and and discuss the

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principles of this founding of
America and a government which

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can provide us with the liberty
and the freedom to express and

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develop our religion.
We're so thankful for the men

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who have sacrificed everything
that came before us.

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That.
We are the inheritors of this

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land of freedom and prosperity.
We pray that we may learn to be

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better stewards of this
opportunity for liberty and

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freedom, that these things may
be preserved for our posterity

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and generations to come.
We pray that Thy Spirit may be

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here with us today as we discuss
these principles of liberty and

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freedom, and that we may have
Thy Spirit to guide and direct

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our thoughts to things that we
can apply directly to our lives.

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That these things may be
preserved and restored.

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We ask this Father the name of
the name of Thy Son, Jesus

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Christ.
Amen.

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Thanks, Justin.
All right, so let me go ahead

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and share my screen here.
It's not doing what it's

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supposed to.
What the heck?

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Forgive me.
I don't know what's going on

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here.
OK, having a bit of technical

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difficulties.
I apologize.

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Let me reboot that.
Program All right, so we're

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going to start off in principle
6, which is equal rights.

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And I had a college professor
once who taught constitutional

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studies where I went to college.
And when he started this

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section, he had a great a great
quote, which is your unique just

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like everyone else.
And I found that kind of funny

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because it seems like an
oxymoron, but it does kind of

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fit with with this certain
principle here.

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If we looked at what equal
rights are, there's there's kind

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of a a we look at the founding
documents.

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It says all men are created
equal.

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On the left hand side of your
screen, you're going to see

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Aaron Donald.
He.

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Is A6.
Foot four 280 LB Defensive

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lineman for the Rams and he runs
a 40 yard dash time which is

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about 120 feet in about 4 1/2
seconds.

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Now your average.
Screen showing.

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Oh, my screen's not showing Son
of a gun.

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It reset I.
Don't know what is going on

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here.
This thing is having some severe

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issues.
How about that?

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Can you see that?
There we go.

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It's not full screen, but it's
shown.

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OK, is it full screen now?
There it is.

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Yeah, there it is.
That was weird.

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I apologize.
All right.

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Is it still showing up on your
guys's end?

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Something is really funky on my.
Yeah, I'm seeing the.

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Looks.
Good on our side.

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Yep.
OK, we'll just leave it like

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that then.
I'll have to update or something

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when I'm done.
So on this side is Aaron Donald.

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I'm just a massive human being
that, you know, runs a 4 1/2

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yard four and a half second
forty time.

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It's about 120 feet.
Then you have your average

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American male who stands about 5
foot 999 lbs and runs the same

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40 yard dash just about a full
second slower.

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Now there's nothing equal about
these two guys.

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The guy on the left, he's born
with an extremely set of good

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set of genetics.
I mean he pulls like the wink

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winning Wonka ticket for for
genetics.

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And so we can see here that
obviously not all men are

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created exactly equal.
If, if this same guy worked

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really hard his whole life, he
might be this guy's fourth

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string backup.
But by and large, we can see

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here that we're really not born
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our genetics, any of those other
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And this debate was kind of had
back during the French

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Revolution between this man
here, Jean Jacques Rousseau, who

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argued that economic equality
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preservation of liberty and the
functioning of a legitimate

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society.
He believed that excessive

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disparity in wealth led to
corruption, dependence and loss

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of freedom.
Now, that last line, I, I want

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to say there's some credence
there I do want to give.

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But to say that that's always
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correct.
And So what Rousseau's really

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arguing for here is kind of like
an, an equality of outcomes.

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And that's not what the founders
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John Adams puts it this way.
That all men are to equal rights

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is true.
Every being has a right to his

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own, as clear, as moral, as
sacred as any other being has.

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But to teach that all men are
born with equal powers and

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faculties, to equal influence in
society, to property and

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advantages through life is as
gross of fraud, as glaring an

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imposition on the credulity of
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And So what he's saying here is
that, OK, so we're not all born

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with the same social standing,
right?

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Sometimes we just get dealt a
bad hand.

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Maybe we're born into poverty.
Maybe we're born into less than

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ideal circumstances.
And those things are are going

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to have to be overcome.
If we, if we so desire.

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And what what is being brought
out here is that we all have

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equal rights.
We all have equal standing

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before, before God and before
should be before the government

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as well.
Then how are we equal?

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Well, in the sight of God.
And I want to talk a little bit

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about these because I think
these are important recognitions

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to make as we go forward here in
this discussion.

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Why is it important that we
understand that we are all

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equal?
In the sight of God.

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I, I think it kind of depends on
what you understand equal to

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mean right?
Because I don't think we

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actually are equal.
We, I don't think we do

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necessarily stand equal under
God in a complete, you know, in

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a, in a multi dimensional
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The way that we stand equal
under God is we are all equally

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beloved and cherished of God.
We all.

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Have equal potential and
opportunity for the things that

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matter.
But certainly, you know, we're

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not equal in the sense of some
of us are born into families

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with struggle and trauma and
that carries over into that.

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Some of us are born into
economic situations or even

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global situations that are
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Equal at all and so I think
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The sight of God from God, you
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perspective.
And from God's perspective, what

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really matters how wealthy you
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much wealthy you accumulate in
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Or is it have to do with?
How?

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Good of a husband and.
Father, are you or a wife and

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mother?
How good are you?

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How are you as far as loving
your neighbor?

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How are you as far as standing
up for for truth?

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And right in that respect, we're
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unless we choose not to be.
So then Justin, just curious, is

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that how you would explain the
that scripture that God's no

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respecter of persons?
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And also in respect to how we're
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And the the fact of the matter
is, this prosperity the the

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prosperity gospel is not true.
The rain falls on the wicked and

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the righteous, right and no
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How we live our lives.
Our fellow brothers and sisters

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have their own agency that God
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Respect.
And that could have a negative

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impact on us potentially or a +1
now when a society.

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As a whole lives God's laws,
there is prosperity.

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Because that is the natural
outcome of.

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Of cooperation when we don't
waste resources fighting each

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other or trying to push each
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You know, pull each other down.
But but yeah, absolutely, I

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think that the way that God sees
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We we are all given equal
opportunity and potential.

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But what we do with it?
That's what really matters, and

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in that regards, we're not
equal, and neither are we.

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Equal in the gifts and the
talents and the powers and the

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circumstances and opportunities
that God presents to us.

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We all face struggles and we all
face blessings in those regards.

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Absolutely, Taylor, I see your
hand up.

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Yeah, so there's a scripture
that is in first Nephi, I think

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it's like right around 15 or 17
or something.

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I got my arms full of a baby, so
I can't pull it up exactly.

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But it talks about how it's kind
of like a thus we see moment.

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I, I'm going to be paraphrasing
it, but it's like that God is no

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respecter of persons.
Yeah, he, he loves all of his

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children.
Nevertheless, those who obey his

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commandments he favors and, you
know, and it's like

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back-to-back.
And so it kind of looks like he

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does favor people and, and so
like, wouldn't that make him a

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respecter of persons?
And the answer to that is no.

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It's because the the, the favors
that come from obeying natural

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laws and godly laws are just the
consequences of those choices.

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And it goes back to the theology
of Section 130 where it talks

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about there's a law irrevocably
decreed before the foundation of

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the earth upon which all
blessings are predicated.

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And when we obtain any blessing,
it's by obedience to the law

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upon which it's predicated.
So if you obey the true laws,

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you reap the benefits.
If you break the laws, you get

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the consequences.
And anyway, I think that's my

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son just fell on his roller
skate.

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So it kind of I, I lost my train
of thought.

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But anyway, there you go.
You're good, you're good.

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That was good stuff.
All right, So real quick, why is

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this important when it comes to
government?

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Why do you think that it's
that's important that government

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should recognize that that
everybody is, has, we'll say it

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this way, has equal opportunity
and equal access to God.

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So I had a couple ideas on this,
one of them and probably the the

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the best one I could think of is
that if, if, if you can

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recognize the divinity in
another person, right?

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That spark of of you know, they
are us, we are them and and we

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all have a connection back to
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I think that will massively
inform how it.

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Is we would choose to govern.
Ourselves and and the laws that

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we would make that would govern
other other people.

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OK, so we're equal in the site
of the law.

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What do you think that means?
You know, I, I think that's a

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necessary qualifier.
Without that, you end up with

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that that.
French.

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That French?
Guy's idea, which is, is

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actually absolutely terrifying,
because there's no way to

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practically implement such a
thing without pulling everybody

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down to the absolute lowest
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And even then, even then, now
that now that we aren't allowed

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to develop and express the gifts
Scott has given us is going to

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lead to a societal collapse.
Absolutely.

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And, and I think we're seeing
that right now.

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I mean, if, if we look at the
amount of distrust in

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government, I think we can link
a lot of that back to

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understanding that, that we have
an unwritten 2 tiered justice

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system right now.
There's justice for guys like

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us, people like us who, you
know, gosh, we, we don't pay our

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taxes.
We're, we're going to jail.

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And then there's, there's the,
the kind of the political class

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now that seemed to have a
certain amount of leeway that is

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border borderline obscene.
And when, when that begins to

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happen, we start to lose faith
in, in our, in our, our

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institutions, right.
If we don't think we can get

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proper redress in a in the
court, it's a matter of time

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before somebody feels like their
back is up against the wall and

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they do something extreme which
I never want to see.

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But nonetheless, history tells
us that that is the outcome of

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that.
And then as far as just, you

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know, being equal in the
protection of our rights, it

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this kind of goes hand in hand
with being being equal in in the

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side of the law, right?
Just supposed to be blind.

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It doesn't matter who you are.
If you are a citizen, you you

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are deserving of the protection
of your rights, or at least.

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You should be.
Does anyone have anything else

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they want to add before we move
on?

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OK, so one of the things that
this chapter really brings out

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is minorities, right?
And, and that can be a problem

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from time to time.
And he describes it as a culture

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gap within, within the society
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So any minority in any country
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they cross this cultural gap.
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There's a couple of things that
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that that need to be overcome.
And we, I want to talk about why

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they're important.
One of them is, is the language.

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The other is kind of attained to
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become economically independent
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I think it's probably what they
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and then become an asset to the
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So real quick, why is the
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we want someone to cross that
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Think of someone coming out of
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It doesn't matter they they
immigrate legally.

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Why is it important that they
have a good command of language?

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Certainly we have bilingual
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I mean, why?
Why should language be that

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important?
Learning to speak the language

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here in America.
Because if you can't communicate

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with the language of the
majority, then you're not really

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an asset to the community.
Yeah, I'll stop. 100 percent,

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100% if if, if you can't not not
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even kind of become fluent in
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Understanding that the word
cool, depending on its constant

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context, can either mean
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touch or something that is
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good.
And so that language is going to

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be a huge thing.
I want to get someone's opinion

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on what it means to attain to
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Education, as the book calls it.
Anybody.

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Well, I think you got to be
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in today's world because you
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written and discussed, that
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the idea was factual stuff,
right?

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Reading, writing, arithmetic,
hard sciences.

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You know, it's very interesting
today because the general norm

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of education is actually kind of
the opposite of education and is

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more indoctrination in in a
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Of.
Right and wrong.

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starting to find themselves more
persecuted, because they do try

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to hold their children to a
general norm of education that

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has nothing to do with that
propaganda, and therefore their

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kids don't quite fit in when the
rest of the world is kind of

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going mad, right?
But but from the original

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context and idea.
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ultimately all ideas have to be.
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They need to be evaluated,
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And so if you're a minority and
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if there's good things in that
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That's a good thing.
If there's bad things in that

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culture, we want to avoid that.
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possible, though, is getting
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baseline standard of education
so you can think and express and

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communicate those kinds of ideas
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Percent Does anyone have another
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So I'll tell you my take on that
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As I was looking at it, I
thought, man, that that just

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feels, you know, I thought about
in terms of like going to school

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or stay, you know, homeschooling
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But I wondered for a moment if
that's what they were actually

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talking about when it says to,
to attain to the general norm of

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education.
I was wondering if it wasn't

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talking about more of our social
norms that we would find here.

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And certainly, as Justin pointed
out, there's some problems there

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with that.
And I, I kind of go back and

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forth on this.
I would love to shelter my kids

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entirely from the crap in the
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But unfortunately, you know,
well and fortunately shouldn't

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just say unfortunately, they're
going to have to navigate this

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world.
And that means that if if

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they're going to navigate this,
this society, they have to know

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certain things, right?
And look, if it was good times,

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it would be something different
today.

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I think it's a matter of, of,
you know, teaching them how to

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navigate these things without
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And so I, I do think that
there's some play there with

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that, with that second one.
And again, I'd if anyone else

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has any any thoughts on that, I
would really, I'd really enjoy

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hearing what you have to say
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So I have a oh, go, sorry, go
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Vanessa had her hand up.
Then we'll go to you.

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Taylor.
Vanessa, go ahead.

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Vanessa, you're muted.
Thank you some of my thoughts on

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this like you were talking about
like kind of a norm of I forgot

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the word you used but it talking
about the culture gap.

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I see it a lot in multicultural
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You get 2 people from two
different worlds, and if they

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can't find common ground, then
it creates a lot of conflict

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that is almost irreconcilable.
And so I can see that as people

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come in and want to integrate
into United States, if they

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can't find that common ground
that we've all basically agreed

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to, then it will create
conflicts that they might have a

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different way of doing things.
And if they can't meet us where

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we're at, then it won't be
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And so I can see that in the
education and in the language

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and in all of these things, we
have to be able to kind of have

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a common definition of what's
right and wrong and how we do

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things.
And anyway, those are my

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thoughts.
Oh, that's great.

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Good stuff.
Thanks.

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Vanessa Taylor, your turn bro.
Yeah, I was just going to

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highlight an idea that I think
the first time I ever

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encountered it was when I was
reading the Autobiography of

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Louis Lemoore, Education of a
Wandering Man.

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And he talks about his
education, which was very

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unorthodox.
He was basically self educated

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and but he he said, I can't
remember if it was like his

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father or mother or somebody
that was influential in his life

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gave him some of the most
important advice he ever got,

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which was never let your
schooling get in the way of your

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education.
And you know this, that these

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two concepts are just really
conflated in many people's

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minds, especially in this like
the education system quote, UN

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quote in the in the United
States, schooling is not

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education.
Like Justin was saying, if if

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schools become stations and you
know, implements of propaganda

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and dogma, that's not learning
any more than, you know, a

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church that changes gospel and
ordinances and stuff is teaching

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the gospel.
Like, you know, it's I would

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look at it analogous to the
church and the gospel.

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You know, the church is supposed
to be the repository that holds

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things and and preserves things,
but it is not the gospel.

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That's that's just the
information.

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Whereas schools are supposed to
hold information and knowledge

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and and, you know, to perpetuate
that and to disseminate that

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amongst people.
But but it's not education.

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Just going to school is not
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So anyway, that's that was just
I wanted to make that point.

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Oh, that's great.
I appreciate that, Taylor.

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OK.
Anybody else have anything they

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want to add before we move on to
the to the other two here?

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Maybe to?
Clarify a little bit.

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Based off of your comments,
Dave, you know I really agree

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with that and I believe that
it's very important not to over

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shelter children as well.
So as far as attained to the

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general norm of education,
there's value in understanding

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it ultimately, even if you don't
accept it.

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And there's a very, very well,
especially as as Mormons, we

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have a, a very special
responsibility to develop that

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kind of an understanding and
awareness of the things going on

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around us.
Not necessarily so we can

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participate, but so that we can
understand what it is and so

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that we can speak for or against
it with with.

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Authority.
And so regardless of the right

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or wrong of that education,
there is a immense value, no

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matter, no matter what side
you're on, to getting to a

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general norm of education in the
world and culture that you find

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yourself a. 100% Justin, I loved
how you tied that back to us as

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Mormons, because I think if we
look back at at some of the

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purposes for the school, the
prophets, it was to to educate

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not only in theology, but also
to educate about, you know,

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certain, you know, different
societies, norms and customs and

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language.
I, I great job on tying that

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back in.
I didn't even think about that

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till you brought it back till
you brought it up.

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So good.
Good on you.

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All right.
Anybody else?

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All right.
So this one down here, the

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becoming economically
independent, I think we can all

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see how that that is a good
thing, right?

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We want people who are going to
come into America that that can

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contribute financially.
And you know, at least for me,

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I, I am somewhat sympathetic,
right, to, to, to some of the

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immigration that's going on.
I know it.

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I always try to make these
things personal.

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I think it makes it easier for
me to.

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To see both.
Sides of the story of the the

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the story here.
And gosh if I was the dad living

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in an anarcho state I would move
heaven and hell to get my kids

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to a better place.
Having said that, it has to be

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done the right way.
It has to be done the legal way.

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And on top of that, yet being
financially independent or

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self-sufficient, I think is a
huge way that you can contribute

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to that science society.
Right off the bat.

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I look at some of the people who
got off the boat from Ellis

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Island and I've been there a
couple different times, and I'm

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always impressed that in those
days there really wasn't too

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much of A social safety net.
You had you had philanthropies

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and churches, but by and large,
the government was out of it, at

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least on the federal level.
And I think it just stands to

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reason that that that would be
something that we would hope

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that that people would overcome
and crossing this culture gap

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here.
What I want to ask another

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question here 'cause it's too
easy sometimes I think, to just

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assign a numeric monetary value
to what it means to be an asset.

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But in your mind, guys, what do
you think it means here when

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it's just to become an asset to
the community?

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Well, I think that like you
said, it's, it's pretty easy to

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to categorize in, in
monetization terms, but there's

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way more to being an asset than
money.

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You could be an asset, you know,
morally, you could be an asset

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theologically.
You could be an asset through

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your religion or through your
adherence to cultural norms and

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being able to hold those up as a
pillar of the community.

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You know, money is really just
one aspect of a person's being

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and and all other aspects can be
an asset or not to the

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community.
Absolutely.

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I love that.
Tim, Justin, I saw you come off

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of of mute for a second.
Is there something you wanted to

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add to that?
Yeah, you know, I think to

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define asset it depends on what
you value.

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Right.
Yeah.

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And that's something that really
kind of needs to be considered

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because the things that, you
know, that I value aren't

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necessarily the things that the
world values.

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And because of that, I'm a lot
more open to certain types of

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immigration into the US that,
you know, my, my fellow

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Republicans might not be as open
to.

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Because if you're just looking
at it from from a financial

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perspective, he might be like,
well, Gee, these people, what

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are they, you know, they don't
have $1,000,000 in a, in a

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startup to bring into the US.
Why do we want them?

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Well, there's a lot of the, the,
well, as we've been discussing

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this, one of the greatest
struggles we're having right now

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in this country is the lack of
morality and religion, at least

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good religion.
And so I think I could argue

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that people who are coming in
with, if somebody's bringing a

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religious Christian Judean value
system into the US and they

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intend to continue that with,
with their, you know, with their

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posterity.
And then that would be a much

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bigger net value than, you know,
some kind of a atheist Elon Musk

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who's got trillions of dollars
to bring into the US through

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immigration, but is ultimately
just going to kind of contribute

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00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,760
to the moral depravity that is
already overburdening that the

456
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:50,240
government in the state.
Yeah, no, I, I think you're

457
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,800
right.
Both you and Tim, I think

458
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,920
there's so much more that goes
into this than just contributing

459
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,800
monetarily.
It was kind of interesting.

460
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,720
I was looking at the stats from
the last election last year

461
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,880
after, after Trump won, I guess.
Yeah, about a year ago, just

462
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,040
over a year ago.
And the thing I was surprised is

463
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,520
how many Latino voters voted for
Trump.

464
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,320
And when, when everybody was
trying to break it down, both

465
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,120
the left and the right agreed on
what had happened there.

466
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:30,280
And that was that Latino voters
were voting kind of almost

467
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,160
morally right.
They'd seen some of the

468
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,800
craziness go on with with
transgenderism and that sort of

469
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,720
thing.
And they flip sides because that

470
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,080
just wasn't in keeping with a
lot of their norms that they are

471
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,640
used to coming up with, right.
And it's strengthened kind of,

472
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,200
for lack of a better term, maybe
the more conservative side of

473
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,000
things that already existed here
in the United States without

474
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,920
immigration.
And so we can see that in some

475
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:03,360
ways, in a lot of ways, if, if
immigration is, is done with a,

476
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,520
with a good eye, right?
Looking for, for folks who

477
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:14,640
honestly want to contribute that
it can be a benefit to us in

478
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,800
general.
And I, I think that's important

479
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,680
to, to keep in mind here as, as
we go through and continue to

480
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,440
talk about minorities here a
little bit.

481
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,440
Does anyone have anything else
they want to add here before I

482
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:31,640
change slides?
All right, perfect.

483
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:40,360
So we have seen that that there
have been weaponizations of

484
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,520
minorities and the longer
minorities and immigrants are

485
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,120
allowed to sit in the culture
gap, the more the likelihood of

486
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,680
them being Co opted by America's
enemies increases.

487
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,360
And I want to provide a few
examples of this.

488
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:59,240
Now, this is going to to be
about one group of minorities,

489
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,520
but this kind of applies across
the board.

490
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,160
So if we look at this gentleman
here, his name's WEB Dubois.

491
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,320
He was the founder of the N
double ACP.

492
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,239
Let me just move this out of my
way here real quick.

493
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:17,840
Sorry about that.
I got and he was, he was the

494
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,480
founder of what would become the
N double ACP.

495
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:26,120
And following a 1926 trip to the
Soviet Union, Dubois expressed

496
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,280
strong alignment with Marxism,
later stating that communism is

497
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,199
the only way of human life.
He ended up officially joining

498
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:40,880
the Communist Party in 1961.
But his, his, his really just

499
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:48,400
vitriol towards the American
system was was pretty evident.

500
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,360
In fact, when he goes to, I
believe it's Nigeria, when he

501
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,960
leaves for Nigeria, the FBI just
says, yeah, you're not coming

502
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:01,040
back in because he was really
starting to call for for

503
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,720
certain, you know, acts of
violence, that sort of thing.

504
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,160
And So what we see here is that
we see that he gets Co opted by

505
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,760
by communism and essentially
under the banner of equal, you

506
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,360
know, equality.
He's willing to do all sorts of

507
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,840
horrible things.
Moving on in history we have the

508
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,120
Black Panthers.
The Black Panthers were were

509
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,360
founded here and I want to say
it was in Oakland, if I'm not

510
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,200
mistaken.
And they ended up spreading all

511
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,000
over the country and they they
made no bones about it that they

512
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:41,920
were Marxists and Leninists.
Again, anytime a certain segment

513
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,160
of the country sits in in that
culture gap, they are ripe for

514
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,600
the picking.
And then I'd be remiss if I

515
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,800
didn't mention Black Lives
Matter.

516
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:58,080
I'm going to play a clip here
and this is from a kind of AI

517
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,360
don't know public access show I
think is what it comes off of.

518
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,440
And this guy here is going to be
talking to one of the Co

519
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,400
founders of Black Lives Matter.
If you guys can't hear this,

520
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,000
please sit, tell me and I will
get it fixed.

521
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,640
He was concerned or is concerned
that that there's a lack of

522
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,120
perhaps ideological direction in
Black Lives Matter that would

523
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:28,080
allow it to be to to to fizzle
out.

524
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:34,040
And as he said, in comparison to
Occupy Wall Street as you are

525
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,240
are advanced in your own
organization as you all are

526
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:40,760
headed to Cleveland to
participate in this Black Lives

527
00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:45,720
Movement conference.
How do you respond to that

528
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:48,120
particular critique?
Again, a loving critique from an

529
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,080
elder of the struggle that some
others share that I've even

530
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,560
shared as well as to be frank,
is a concern about in part

531
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,200
because of the cooptation and
and the appropriation that that

532
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,360
a more clear ideological
structuring might be of some

533
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,800
value here.
But how do you respond to to, to

534
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,040
those kinds of, again, loving
criticisms?

535
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,320
I think that the criticism is
helpful.

536
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:21,480
I also think that it might.
I think I think of a lot of

537
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,520
things.
The first thing I think is that

538
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,240
we actually do have an
ideological frame.

539
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,400
Myself and Alicia in particular
are trained organizers.

540
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:44,320
We are trained Marxists.
We are super versed on sort of

541
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:52,160
ideological theories.
OK, so she tells you right there

542
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,720
that that, you know, she was a
trained Marxist.

543
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,000
Now, I'm not telling all you
this just so I can paint

544
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,120
communists in bad light or black
people in bad light or any of

545
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,320
those other things.
What I am doing here and what I

546
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,560
am saying is that the longer
somebody stays in that culture

547
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:14,680
gap, right, not not quite in and
not quite out, what you're going

548
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,560
to get is that these people are
going to be easy pickings for

549
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,720
those who would want to use them
to kind of further their own

550
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:25,400
agendas.
And so it becomes important for

551
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:30,280
our own national stability that
within the minorities we have in

552
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,000
the country, if they're law
abiding citizens, if they're

553
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,760
contributing, if they're assets
to society, that we we make sure

554
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,760
we recognize that they cross
that that culture gap so that

555
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,720
they can have a full integration
there.

556
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,040
Does anybody have anything they
want to add here to that?

557
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:58,120
I know that was a lot to digest.
OK, he was.

558
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,480
And despite all of this, we have
plenty of examples of people who

559
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,800
have bridged that culture gap,
right?

560
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,480
You got guys like, you know,
Justin brought him up, Elon

561
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,200
Musk.
You have Schwarzenegger.

562
00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:21,760
You have, of all people, one of
the lead singers from KISS, Gene

563
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,320
Simmons.
Now, I'm not a KISS fan, wasn't

564
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,680
really my jam, but if you ever
want to hear something

565
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,760
absolutely moving, go listen to
the story that he tells about

566
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,640
him and his mother when they
then when they move to America

567
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:40,080
from Hungary, his mom was
actually in the concentration

568
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,920
camps and and they they all come
over and they all do something.

569
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,680
And then of course, we can't
leave out John Taylor, right?

570
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,120
He is an immigrant from England.
And so we we can't see that our

571
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,880
culture can be enriched.
It can be, it can absolutely

572
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:03,120
benefit from legal immigration.
Anybody want to say anything in

573
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:09,810
regards to that?
OK.

574
00:40:10,890 --> 00:40:14,130
Oh, Justin, I saw you.
Coming from you, this is more of

575
00:40:14,130 --> 00:40:16,930
a general observation, but I
just think I think it's

576
00:40:16,930 --> 00:40:19,890
important to really be thinking
about and considering this kind

577
00:40:19,890 --> 00:40:24,600
of stuff because ultimately
Mormonism in and of itself is a

578
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,920
minority position here.
It's a minority culture, it's a

579
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,080
minority theology and you know
it.

580
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:38,320
It can be easy to look at the,
the, the Somalis today and say,

581
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,600
hey, man, those people, those
people.

582
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,320
But the fact of the matter is,
is that we are, we are also

583
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:50,560
minorities.
And so we need to have some

584
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:55,760
discernment and judgement in
these things and and judge the

585
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,880
way that we would like to be
judged because to a very large

586
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,800
degree, even just as Mormons, we
are very much a minority culture

587
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,480
here in this country.
Justin, that's a great point.

588
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,240
And and look, we do carry with
us, right?

589
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:11,120
This is something that's
interesting, right?

590
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,880
We do carry with us certain
things that we don't want to be

591
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,680
influenced by the society on.
Nevertheless, we most of us have

592
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:25,360
to engage the larger society and
be able to navigate through

593
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,320
that.
And and so Justin, I think

594
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,280
that's another great point.
Where where?

595
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,200
Where am I?
Yeah, I think everybody on here

596
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,320
is a fundamentalist of one sort
or another.

597
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,960
And that's kind of doubly so, I
think, for us.

598
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,400
Good stuff.
Anybody else?

599
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:53,680
All right, so I know this seems
like a weird thing to just pop

600
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,480
up, but this is the Colossus of
Rhodes.

601
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:02,040
This was one of the wonders of
the world back in ancient times.

602
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:13,000
And so the Colossus of Rhodes
kind of stood, stood at a harbor

603
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,480
and that he looked in towards
the city.

604
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,800
And it was, it was one of those
things to say, hey, you're

605
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,560
entering Rhodes.
And Rhodes was over, I think by

606
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,840
Greece, if I'm not mistaken.
Now, why is this important?

607
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:34,320
Well, if we look here, the
Statue of Liberty has been

608
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:39,040
called the New Colossus.
And it, you know, the thing we

609
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,200
all remember about it is give me
your tired, your poor, your

610
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,440
huddled masses yearning to
breathe free.

611
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,360
And when you just say that part
of it, it makes a sound like a

612
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,880
hospital or like a sick ward,
right.

613
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,960
But when I was back East
visiting the first time around,

614
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:03,000
when I lived back there, I read
the full poem on the, on the,

615
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,080
the Statue of Liberty, which is
called the New Colossus.

616
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,720
And I, I want to read that here
for you because I think it's

617
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:14,720
going to paint a different
picture of, of immigration here

618
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:17,720
in the States.
And you're going to notice that

619
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:21,400
down here, I have this, this
section highlight kind of

620
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,320
bolded.
That's because there was 2

621
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,160
versions of this.
And the one that's officially on

622
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:32,600
the statue just doesn't say.
Rather it just says send.

623
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,640
But I wanted to be fully
transparent here.

624
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,160
So let me read this for you.
Not like the brazen giant of

625
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:44,400
Greek fame with conquering limbs
astride from land to land, Here

626
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,440
at our sea wash sunset gates
shall stand a mighty woman with

627
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,880
a torch whose flame is
imprisoned lightning and her

628
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,760
name, the mother of exiles from
her beacon hand glows worldwide.

629
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:01,000
Welcome her mild eyes command
the air bridge harbor that Twin

630
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,440
Cities frame.
Keep your ancient lands, your

631
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,120
storied pomp, Cries she with
silent lips.

632
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,200
Rather send to me these.
You're tired, you're poor.

633
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,240
You're huddled masses yearning
to breathe free The wretched

634
00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:19,600
refuse from your teeming shore.
Send these the homeless, The

635
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,040
Tempest.
Toss to me.

636
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,480
I lift my lamp beside the golden
door.

637
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,400
It's a little bit different.
Have you?

638
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,920
Has everyone here read that full
poem before?

639
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,600
Yeah, I have many times.
Yeah.

640
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,000
No, it's it's a good one.
So Tim, in your in your opinion,

641
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:49,600
what's this really saying here?
Well, I think it's really an

642
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,400
invitation to the
disenfranchised.

643
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,600
And I think that it really
speaks to where our forefathers

644
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,720
frame of mind was because this
is who they were when they left

645
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:02,560
the old world.
Absolutely Anybody else?

646
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,400
So here's my take on Oh, Justin,
go ahead.

647
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,120
I saw you come off mute.
Go ahead bro.

648
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,240
Yeah, I was just going to say to
me, it's those.

649
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,960
The original idea, I believe, is
those seeking escape from

650
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:25,160
Babylon.
Yep, Yep, it in a weird way when

651
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,520
when the author was asked about
this, she said she intended to

652
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,160
mock the old system.
Right, that as she saw the

653
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:39,520
Statue of Liberty that that she
just imagined the this woman in

654
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,640
this harbor, which by the way,
faces the opposite direction

655
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,080
that the Colossus of Rhodes did.
The Statue of Liberty kind of

656
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,080
faces, it's a little bit of on
an angle, but it for the most

657
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,720
part, it faces out towards the
ocean in that harbor.

658
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,320
And basically she was saying,
you know, all the people that

659
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,760
you reject, send them here
because they can make it here if

660
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,600
they have, you know, the, the
right attitude and, and whatnot.

661
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,840
And that this is the, the place
here.

662
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:15,280
And so I, I wanted to put all
this together to kind of of give

663
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,040
two things here. 1 is, is that
we, we need to be cognizant that

664
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,160
as we engage in immigration that
that we are being that that

665
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,440
place that we were set up to be
and that I truly believe God

666
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,600
meant us to be.
At the same time, if America is

667
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,920
going to be a melting pot, the
ingredients have to melt.

668
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,960
They have to be able to, to work
together.

669
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,200
And so we need to make sure
that, that in with immigration,

670
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,840
that they're crossing that, that
culture gap so that they can

671
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:51,880
become fully American rather
than African American or Mexican

672
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,760
American or whatever it is.
And that's not to say that you

673
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,960
need that, that we need them to
completely get rid of all their

674
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,640
culture.
I mean, look, as a guy who

675
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,320
really likes food, I'm super
glad the Hispanics held on to

676
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,080
their recipes because I, I am
firmly in favor.

677
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,880
And I, I, you know, I say that
in jest and joking a little bit,

678
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,600
but in truth, I think we can see
that America's different because

679
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:20,720
we've been enriched by, by a, a
bunch of different flavors, if

680
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:23,800
you will.
And the, the trick is, is to get

681
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,280
everything to mesh.
Justin, I saw you come off mute

682
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,360
again.
Yeah.

683
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:33,240
So, you know, the Statue of
Liberty, it was dedicated in

684
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:37,160
1886.
And it's important to understand

685
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,000
that this happened before World
War One.

686
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,480
Before World War 2.
America was not a superpower at

687
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,360
this time.
It was just some small backwater

688
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,040
country that nobody thought
anything of.

689
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:56,520
And so when it's saying break,
you know, send rather these

690
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,960
you're you're, you're tired,
you're poor, you're huddled

691
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,200
masses yearning to breathe free.
It's not because because we're

692
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,400
wealthy and we'll take care of
them for you.

693
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,400
That was not the message.
That is the message today.

694
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,040
That's how it's being
interpreted is well, we, we're

695
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,520
the superpower.
We've got all the welfare.

696
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:20,040
We'll take care of everybody.
There was no expectation that

697
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,480
they wouldn't be responsible for
themselves.

698
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,680
Right.
So what was being called for was

699
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:33,240
those who had that yearning to
breathe free, those who have

700
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:38,600
been persecuted, those who are
oppressed, those who want to

701
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,760
live in under the rule of law
with equal rights to have

702
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,520
opportunity to prosper, to
succeed or to fail.

703
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:52,240
That's what the Statue of
Liberty is calling forth, not,

704
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,800
not some kind of weird
government nanny state that you

705
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,560
know it's interpreted to mean
today.

706
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,560
Absolutely couldn't couldn't
have said it any better myself.

707
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,920
It it she, you know, if if you
read the poem, she does stand in

708
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,600
defiance of the old system as as
you're pointing out, Justin.

709
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:17,520
And also that I can't help but
think from time to time that if

710
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,760
we could, if people could get
the full message of of this this

711
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,120
whole thing here, I often wonder
if it wouldn't help to restart

712
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,080
the engine in America here a
little bit.

713
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,560
All right, anybody else before
we move on from the slide.

714
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:41,360
OK, so we're going to switch
gears here a little bit and

715
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,240
we're going to go to to equal
rights, not equal things.

716
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:47,560
And it's principle 7.
And I saw this meme a while back

717
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,200
and I just had to save it.
And it's Christ here teaching at

718
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,200
the Sermon on the Mount.
And it says help your neighbor

719
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,040
and take care of the poor and
the hungry.

720
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,200
And this guy down here says, you
mean give money to the Romans

721
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,840
and let them do it, right?
And the Savior says, OK, I'm

722
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,320
going to start over.
Let me know where I lost you

723
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,240
sometimes.
Well, let me let me ask you this

724
00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:16,520
way.
How do you guys feel when you

725
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,240
either give to charity or you
tie the church?

726
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,720
What's the overall feeling you
get from that?

727
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,120
Robbed.
What's that, Justin?

728
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:34,280
Robbed.
Robbed when you when you like

729
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,920
donate to church and stuff.
You're tithing well, certainly

730
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,480
in the LDS church.
I kind of did.

731
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:43,920
OK, all right, fair enough.
How about today when you give a

732
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,600
when you give a a charitable
gift or something like that.

733
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,720
I don't know about anyone else,
but I like giving to charities

734
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:55,080
or tithing it where I go to
church at now I totally

735
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:55,960
different.
It's a good thing.

736
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:01,440
Yeah, it's totally different
because now I, I tied into, you

737
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,120
know, for one thing in in the
Mormon legacy ministries, right?

738
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,080
I'm tied in two things where I
know exactly what it's going for

739
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,960
and how important that is like,
you know, to host zoom meetings

740
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:14,440
and stuff like that.
So I understand exactly what

741
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,160
that's going to.
And then often, you know, with

742
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,960
give, send, go or, you know,
those kinds of projects.

743
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,920
I know exactly what I'm, what
I'm contributing to, and it's

744
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,760
not about the recognition.
It's about it's about the

745
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,160
understanding.
When it, when I was in the LDS

746
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,760
church and I tithe, it felt like
I was robbed.

747
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,840
It felt like taxes, to be
honest.

748
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,680
This is going to go into some
gigantic fund.

749
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,760
It's going to be managed by
people who don't understand or

750
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,360
recognize the sacrifice that
this was.

751
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,480
And it's likely going to go to
fun things that are completely

752
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,960
against my own interests and
desires.

753
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,280
And, you know, that feels like
being robbed.

754
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:02,760
But what?
What?

755
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:07,400
But when you see somebody on the
street who needs help and you

756
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,720
decide to give, you know, look
in your wall when you got 5

757
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:14,400
bucks, 10 bucks, when when you
see somebody in a really rough

758
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,120
situation and there's a
fundraising campaign for that

759
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,520
and you contribute to that,
those things actually matter.

760
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,440
And you know that it matters.
It does.

761
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,280
It's not about the recognition.
Even when I do that, I usually

762
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,560
donate anonymously, right?
If it's an option.

763
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:34,760
It's about knowing that your
sacrifice actually matters and

764
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:42,520
actually is making a difference.
100% yeah, I when when I give to

765
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,720
charity or I tithe at my church,
I feel pretty good about where

766
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:50,280
where that money's going.
When I, when April 15th rolls

767
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,040
around, I don't feel so
charitable.

768
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,560
And I just, you know, again, saw
this meme and thought it was

769
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,200
kind of appropriate for what we
were going to talk about here.

770
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,240
So what is the danger in
redistributing wealth?

771
00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:09,320
And I want to read you the the
Pilgrims first attempt or their

772
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,920
their first.
Yeah, their first attempt there.

773
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,240
I mean, they didn't go anywhere,
but they, they did have to

774
00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:18,120
change some things up.
The Pilgrims attempt at

775
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:22,280
socialism, socialism in the
Plymouth Colony face significant

776
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,840
challenges.
They envisioned A communal

777
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,280
society where everyone worked
together and shared resources,

778
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,600
drawing inspiration from Plato's
ideal.

779
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:36,400
However, this system led to
economic disaster as the less

780
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,760
industrious members relied on
others for labor, resulting in a

781
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,480
lack of productivity and food
supply.

782
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,560
Governor William Bradford
ultimately realized that private

783
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:50,080
property was necessary to
encourage work and efficiency,

784
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:53,240
which led to a successful
harvest and the eventual

785
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:56,600
establishment of a more
productive society.

786
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,600
So as they're coming over, the
thought was is OK, we we have

787
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,320
this, this account out of the
Bible, right?

788
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,480
New Testament, I believe it's an
axe.

789
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,320
Someone can correct me if I'm
wrong.

790
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,880
If that's not where it's at,
where it talks about kind of

791
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,520
this.
If if you just read it cold

792
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:17,040
without anything from Joseph
Smith, it, it doesn't give a lot

793
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,160
of background or information.
So you're like, gosh, is this an

794
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:25,560
attempt at communal living?
And it, And so they read that

795
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,880
and they thought, OK, this must
be the way to do it.

796
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,400
But they show up and what ends
up happening?

797
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:36,880
Well, look what for anybody,
what happens if you're not

798
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:42,760
fairly compensated for your
labor, right?

799
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:50,400
What happens if, you know,
Justin puts in 80 hours at the

800
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:55,200
office and I only put in 30, but
we both make the same amount of

801
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,040
money.
What's what's the outcome there

802
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:06,120
usually?
Probably some some angst, some

803
00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:14,360
some malcontentness.
Yeah, there's malcontentness.

804
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,520
What else?
What else can happen?

805
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:23,640
Anybody, well, those who are
really productive, they just

806
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,680
stopped working, right?
They're like, you know, what if

807
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,480
we're getting paid the same
thing and Dave's over there and

808
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,840
he's putting in 30 hours and
then the rest of his time he's

809
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,640
just, you know, playing Candy
Crush.

810
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,200
Justin's going to be like, man,
nevermind, screw it, I don't

811
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,080
want to put in 80 hours anymore
just so I can support Dave.

812
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:49,280
And So what we see is, is that
this is not a great formula for

813
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,680
allowing a country to not just
become wealthy, but just to

814
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:59,280
become sufficient because we see
it happen time and again with

815
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:03,520
with socialized countries.
Whether that is in Russia,

816
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:08,160
whether that is in China, it
doesn't matter.

817
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:12,000
At some point human nature kicks
in and it says, well, if I'm

818
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:16,520
getting the pay is paid the same
amount and I'm doing twice the

819
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:22,720
work, I'm just going to stop and
it's a recipe for economic ruin.

820
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,280
I would say that the the
principle there is when personal

821
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:33,160
responsibility is abstracted, it
is lost.

822
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,920
Absolutely good stuff.
Anybody else have anything to

823
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,640
say on this one before we move
on?

824
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:53,560
All right, so there's something
to keep in mind here, and that's

825
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:58,200
this modern application of this.
And if there's one thing that

826
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,960
the nefarious side of politics
likes to do, it's to change

827
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:06,360
definitions.
We saw this with with Hillary

828
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,240
Clinton back when she was
running against Barack Obama in

829
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:13,560
the primaries back in, I want to
say that was 2008.

830
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,320
She had she was in a debate and
someone asked her if she

831
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,200
considered herself a liberal.
And she said, well, I actually

832
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:25,560
consider myself a progressive,
which has rich historical

833
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:29,040
significance around the turn of
the century for America.

834
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,600
And so I went back and just, you
know, said, OK, well, what's a

835
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,400
progressive?
Because I wasn't familiar with

836
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,800
the term and I looked it up and
it was, you know, all sorts of

837
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:44,840
bad stuff, everything from like
eugenics led by Margaret Sanger

838
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:48,560
to, you know, redistribution of
wealth.

839
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:52,360
I mean, just go down the list.
It's every, every bad talking

840
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,000
point we've ever heard and every
bad idea ever tried.

841
00:57:55,560 --> 00:58:01,320
And so today we see these two
words being tossed around.

842
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,160
And they're kind from folks who
are nefarious.

843
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:08,800
We see that they kind of use
them interchangeably until they

844
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,680
catch you and then they will
tell you what you signed up for.

845
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,320
So the first word is equality,
right?

846
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,120
Equality is providing everyone
with the same resources, support

847
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,400
and or opportunities across the
board.

848
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,520
True equality means that there
would be no difference in

849
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,480
treatment despite, you know,
your, your gender, race,

850
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:32,000
economic background, whatever.
So basically, you know, if

851
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,640
someone can come in and do the
job and they're just better at

852
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,840
the job, they get ahead under
kind of equality.

853
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,600
Then there's equity and equity
means something different.

854
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,680
Equity means resources are
distributed based on need.

855
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,440
So some people will get more
than others.

856
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:56,040
And that's, this is actually
from a, a left-leaning kind of

857
00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:00,200
think tank here and how they,
they, they recognize that.

858
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,760
And so equality means that
essentially everyone's got the

859
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:08,280
same shot, right?
Everybody, whether you're born

860
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,480
in a horrible position, whether
you're born in an advantageous

861
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:15,120
position, it's all about what
you're going to do with your

862
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:20,240
opportunity and not having a cap
on that opportunity only what

863
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:24,280
you were born with.
Equity means you're going to get

864
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,440
the same as everybody else and
they're going to make it, make

865
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,280
it be that way.
And so to in today's day and

866
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,240
age, I would say be very careful
as you read through things

867
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:39,680
because they will swap the word
equality out for equity and they

868
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,200
will also you were we use words
like shareholders and that sort

869
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:48,880
of thing to, to describe this.
One of the ways I had first read

870
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:54,080
about this and, and noticed this
was actually where they were

871
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,720
discussing an article about a
country.

872
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:00,200
I want to say it was down in
South America somewhere who had

873
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:04,600
nationalized a bunch of
businesses and to do it they

874
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,720
they kept swapping out equality
for equity and people just

875
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:13,080
bought into it.
All right.

876
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,480
Some of the other dangers in
redistribute in in

877
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,840
redistributing wealth.
This is from Sam Adams.

878
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:28,920
The utopian schemes of leveling
and a community and a community

879
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:33,080
of goods are, as is, visionary
and impractical as those which

880
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:37,880
vest all property in the crown.
These ideas are arbitrary,

881
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:42,000
despotic, and in our government
unconstitutional.

882
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:47,240
How is redistributing wealth
despotic?

883
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:52,680
What's the problem with that?
I mean, if I, if I see, you

884
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:58,520
know, if I see that Taylor has,
you know, all these things,

885
01:00:58,520 --> 01:00:59,840
right?
Taylor's worked hard.

886
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:04,200
He's got big house, he's got
four cars, you know, a swimming

887
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:08,120
pool in his backyard.
Why shouldn't, why shouldn't

888
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:12,280
Taylor be paid, made to pay a
little bit more or to have his

889
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,280
wealth redistributed?
What?

890
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:26,360
What's the danger in that?
Anybody.

891
01:01:33,180 --> 01:01:35,740
I guess I can go again.
Yeah.

892
01:01:38,700 --> 01:01:46,660
So I think the, the, the issue
here is, is whose wealth is it?

893
01:01:49,460 --> 01:01:53,120
It's an issue of ownership
because if there's

894
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,160
redistribution of wealth, there
is no ownership.

895
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,360
There's no ownership for anybody
ultimately under that kind of a

896
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,280
system.
And if the government has

897
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,280
permission or authority to
redistribute wealth, then nobody

898
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,160
owns anything.
And if nobody owns anything, you

899
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:12,600
have now lost responsibility and
and that just ultimately does

900
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:22,160
not work. 100% the, The thing is
here is that I don't want to say

901
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,240
this works because it doesn't
work.

902
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,200
But this can only go on so long,
right?

903
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,560
And we saw examples of this
when, during the Bolshevik

904
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,360
Revolution, when, when the
communists were taking over.

905
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:38,360
Because what would end up
happening is, is that at first

906
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:42,400
all the poor people were really
excited about this prospect,

907
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:43,360
right?
You're, they're going to come

908
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:48,080
in, they're going to break up
all these, all these folks who

909
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:51,760
own the, the, the land and
they're going to get a piece of

910
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,240
their own land now and they're
going to be able to go to work.

911
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:58,880
And that's great until they got
successful and their stuff was

912
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:04,280
seized to redistribute again.
This becomes the issue if if you

913
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:08,160
allow this for yourself, all
you've done is enable them to do

914
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:12,360
it to you as well, Justin.
Yeah, you know, I'd like to

915
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:16,560
share a personal story here, so.
You know, I, I.

916
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:20,800
Work in IT and.
In the early days of the

917
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,320
Internet.
I did a lot of websites that was

918
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:24,480
kind.
Of my bread and butter.

919
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,680
And there were.
Often times when I would do

920
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:32,840
websites for people kind of pro
bono because they were friends

921
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,480
and I thought what they were
doing was good and, and maybe

922
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:44,760
they didn't have the funds.
And the, the challenge with that

923
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:49,520
is though, is even when I was
single, right?

924
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:53,760
I'm just a lone guy.
I don't have a huge, you know, I

925
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:57,520
don't need a whole lot of money
to survive, but nonetheless,

926
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,600
when I'm doing something pro
bono.

927
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,760
Is a lot.
Harder to put time into that it,

928
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,680
it just really is, it's a, it's
a human nature thing.

929
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:12,320
It's not like I thought like,
well, I, I, I don't care about

930
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:13,480
that.
No, these are things I actually

931
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,880
did care about, right?
These were, these are things I

932
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:21,680
wanted to do for people.
But there is just a inborn

933
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,680
innate thing where, you know, I
don't get my paycheck if I don't

934
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:30,120
show up for my, my 8:00 meeting.
So I'm going to show up for my

935
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,920
8:00 meeting.
It's just going to happen.

936
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:37,080
Things are going to get done
when it's hey, I'm going to help

937
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:38,840
you out with this.
I'm going to, I'm going to try

938
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,640
to help you take care of you
with this.

939
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:44,440
You know, it, things don't get
done the same way.

940
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:49,960
The work doesn't happen.
And I mean, I don't know, maybe

941
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:54,400
I'm an outlier here, but I even
with the best intentions, it

942
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:59,280
just doesn't work in my own
personal experience.

943
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:03,880
There has to be compensation,
because without that

944
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,000
compensation there's no
responsibility and ownership.

945
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:15,000
100% You know, so often I think
people kind of look at the

946
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,760
founders and what they did and
just figured, you know, they

947
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:21,640
just kind of reached up in the
sky and, and saw some, you know,

948
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,560
asked about some stuff they
liked and pulled it off and, and

949
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:27,120
put it in there.
And that's not true.

950
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,600
I mean, they, they were very
careful about what they did.

951
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:34,760
And part of that was trying to
understand human nature and

952
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:38,960
understanding that humans are
pretty much the same as we've

953
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,280
always been.
We're concerned first and

954
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,560
foremost about ourselves and our
family, about putting food on

955
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:49,760
the table.
And if if you limit the

956
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:53,720
opportunity that man has to get
ahead, you're going to run into

957
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,920
problems.
And we'll talk about a few more

958
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:02,080
of those right now.
One of the one of the things

959
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:07,080
that will happen is that at some
point when you don't feel like

960
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:12,800
you can get ahead and that it
doesn't matter how much you

961
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:16,640
innovate or any of those other
things, you just kind of stop.

962
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:21,560
It's, it's just like Justin was
saying, if there's no benefit to

963
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,200
it, we're, we're going to stop.
And I think that's ingrained in

964
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,480
us as kind of a survival
mechanism.

965
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,240
I think it's divinely placed
there.

966
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:35,160
Everything is a risk to reward,
excuse me, risk to reward ratio.

967
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,840
And we're, we're constantly
doing that analysis, probably

968
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:42,840
even subconsciously for, for to,
to a large extent.

969
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,080
And this always brings up the
question of how it is, are we

970
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:51,480
going to to care for the poor?
And, and we're going to talk a

971
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:55,240
little bit about this now,
because Jesus told us that the

972
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:56,960
poor is always going to be among
us.

973
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:01,680
That's just, I think that's a
part of the human condition.

974
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,840
And as I've looked at most
people, I think most people

975
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,800
experience poverty at least once
in their lives.

976
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:15,000
And and so I think we all have a
certain amount of sympathy

977
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:20,200
there, Taylor.
Yeah, There's a quote that comes

978
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,880
from James Donald.
I believe he was a British

979
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:25,640
actor.
I don't, I'm not familiar with

980
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,800
his work, but I really liked
this quote.

981
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:35,080
And he says selfishness may not
be a virtue, but if selfishness

982
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:39,240
is forbidden, you are not free.
In order to be free to do what

983
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,200
you want to do, you need space
to do it in and things to do it

984
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:45,160
with.
Property is simply those things

985
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:50,480
that one is free to use or
misuse as one pleases, wisely or

986
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,680
unwisely, without asking
permission.

987
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:59,280
Thus, freedom and property
rights are inseparable. 100% and

988
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,880
what we're going to go over that
a little later too, because that

989
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:05,880
is 100% a true principle and I
don't.

990
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,160
Yeah, we'll get there, because
there's some interesting stuff

991
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:13,440
that goes along with that.
Franklin had something

992
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:18,000
interesting to say about how to
care for the poor, he said.

993
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:22,120
I have long been of of your
opinion that your legal

994
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:25,479
provision for the poor in
England is a very great evil,

995
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:29,359
operating as it does to the
encouragement of idleness.

996
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:33,560
We have followed your example
and begin now to see our error.

997
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:37,960
I hope we shall reform it.
So that's from Benjamin

998
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:41,160
Franklin.
He's already nervous about how

999
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,160
the government's going to
attempt to take care of the

1000
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:46,840
poor.
And so some of the don'ts that

1001
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:51,520
the book outlines, I think are
are very are are worth some

1002
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,840
discussion here.
So compassion that enables an

1003
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:58,640
addict to stay an addiction is
counterproductive.

1004
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:06,319
We've all seen codependent
relationships, right, where one

1005
01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:11,160
person has has an issue and the
other person kind of feeds that

1006
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:14,720
to keep them happy.
And oftentimes it's done from a

1007
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:19,120
position of, gosh, I just want
to make this person's life

1008
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:20,600
better.
I love this person.

1009
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,680
I want this person to to feel
better.

1010
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:27,840
And they will enable them in all
sorts of ways from from, you

1011
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,520
know, continuing to give them
money, knowing good, good and

1012
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:34,359
well where it's going to go, go
to all these other things.

1013
01:09:34,359 --> 01:09:37,080
And so it becomes
counterproductive because the

1014
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:42,399
person stays in his position and
never gets the opportunity to to

1015
01:09:42,399 --> 01:09:47,319
work out of it.
Compassion, which breeds

1016
01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:50,399
debilitating dependency is
counterproductive.

1017
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:58,360
I want to share a story now that
kind of a personal experience I

1018
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:06,280
had when I was when I moved out
to Baltimore and because I was

1019
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,800
the new guy, I got all the
really crap jobs, right?

1020
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,600
The jobs that the other guys
just didn't want.

1021
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:17,640
And so I rolled into the office
1 morning and they said, OK,

1022
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,880
we're going to we're going to
send you down to inner city

1023
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:23,000
Baltimore.
And so I had to go down there

1024
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,960
and I had to to do some work.
And they said you're going to

1025
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:27,840
meet a guy down there who lives
down there.

1026
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,440
We've used him before and he's
going to escort you.

1027
01:10:30,440 --> 01:10:34,040
So they didn't say it this way,
but I picked up the vibe.

1028
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:36,880
So basically I could leave at
the end of the night without

1029
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:41,600
being hurt.
And this allowed me to really

1030
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,640
have a good chance to talk to
this guy.

1031
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:47,680
And as we were talking as we
were as I was working, he was

1032
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:51,440
just literally like an escort.
And I asked him, I was like, do

1033
01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:52,920
you live down here?
And he said I do.

1034
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:54,800
And I said, man, do you like it
down here?

1035
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:58,120
And he says I hate it down here.
And I said, well, why don't you

1036
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:01,680
just move?
And he said, let me tell you, he

1037
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:06,760
said, I am in a weird position
where I don't, I make enough

1038
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:10,920
money not to starve, but I don't
make enough money to get out.

1039
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:16,240
And he said, I said, well, who
do you work for?

1040
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:19,160
And he said, well, I get, I get
some government assistance now.

1041
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,800
I, I don't want, if, if
anybody's on government

1042
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:24,880
assistance and they really need
it, right?

1043
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:30,200
I, I'm not saying that we need
to get, get rid of, of a social

1044
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:32,880
safety net.
I like having a social safety

1045
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,280
net.
I, I want to know that people

1046
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:38,000
are being taken care of when
they fall on hard times.

1047
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:41,720
I just don't want to see that,
that safety net become a cookie

1048
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:44,280
jar.
And what we see is that a person

1049
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:47,240
here was, was absolutely kind of
Co opted.

1050
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,040
I shouldn't say Co opted, but
but he kind of took the

1051
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:53,520
government money and now he's
beholden to them because he

1052
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:59,360
doesn't make enough to get out
and he he doesn't, you know,

1053
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,360
it's just enough to live on
where he's at just now.

1054
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:08,240
I see your hand is up.
Yeah, you know, this one is a

1055
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:15,960
bit of a passion point for me.
So my great grandmother escaped

1056
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,400
the Indian reservations and it
literally.

1057
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:21,640
Took.
Her whole life and everything

1058
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:26,120
that she had to do that because
that is the definition of

1059
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:32,080
debilitating dependency.
In exchange for the Indians

1060
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:36,560
land, they were given a
permanent welfare status.

1061
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:44,200
And it is, it is completely
designed to cause societal

1062
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:50,760
collapse and to prevent escape.
And I've known, I've, I've known

1063
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:53,680
people that have struggled to
try to escape from the

1064
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:55,600
reservations from that welfare
state.

1065
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:59,760
There, the most of the benefits
of being a Native American are

1066
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:05,280
only received when you're on the
reservation, living in this

1067
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:10,960
essentially welfare communist
utopia subsidized by the federal

1068
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:16,320
government.
And because of that, people over

1069
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,280
time, over generations, they
don't, they don't have ways of

1070
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,360
surviving and living outside of
that dependency.

1071
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:27,040
And this is a, a generational
issue on, on these reservations

1072
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:31,320
a lot of times.
And so, you know, this one is,

1073
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:35,600
is very poignant to me because
my own great grandmother had to

1074
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:40,520
sacrifice and struggle greatly
to escape.

1075
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:44,280
And that was absolutely her
intention because she knew that

1076
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:47,480
life was not good there and she
wanted better things for for her

1077
01:13:47,480 --> 01:13:51,040
future, for her posterity and
for her family.

1078
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:55,200
And she did whatever it took to
get off of that reservation.

1079
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:58,720
And it wasn't easy for her
because she didn't have the

1080
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:02,640
skills, the education, the the
cultural knowledge.

1081
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:04,400
And she stumbled through all
that.

1082
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:10,240
And yet nonetheless, I was born
off the reservation with no

1083
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:17,240
knowledge or connection to that,
to that welfare system, with no

1084
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:20,080
fall back to it.
And, you know, just like anybody

1085
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:25,640
else, just like everybody else.
And that came about a a great

1086
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:27,760
sacrifice from some of my family
members.

1087
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:32,080
And so to me, this idea of
compassion which breeds

1088
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,760
debilitating dependency, that is
not compassion.

1089
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:38,400
That is not compassion at all.
And no.

1090
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:44,320
It has taken generations of of
sacrifice and struggle to escape

1091
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:48,360
from that evil in my own family.
Absolutely.

1092
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,640
So let let me ask this question
because those last two, they

1093
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:54,240
kind of go along with the third
one a little bit, right.

1094
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:58,720
It talks about, you know,
compassion that would blunt for

1095
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:04,440
the desire or necessity of work
or that smothers the instinct to

1096
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:08,000
strive and excel.
They kind of go hand in hand

1097
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:11,440
with that second one there.
So let me ask you a question.

1098
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:16,920
How would you counsel somebody
right that would come to you and

1099
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:20,520
say, gosh, I'm I feel like I'm
stuck in this system.

1100
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:28,280
How do I get out?
How would you instruct that

1101
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:29,960
person?
How would you help that person

1102
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:33,280
get out of that situation?
What advice would you have for?

1103
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:45,120
It's a tough question, isn't it?
And I think the reason it's a

1104
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,600
tough question is because it's
going to require us to do

1105
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,600
something.
If somebody was in that

1106
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:55,680
situation, we truly cared about
that person, right?

1107
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:58,160
Maybe we got to spend some time
with them.

1108
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:01,880
Maybe we got to teach them basic
life skills, right?

1109
01:16:02,440 --> 01:16:06,840
How to present yourself for a
job interview, how to type up a

1110
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:11,320
resume, how to balance a
checkbook, all those things

1111
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:13,840
someone's going to have to teach
people.

1112
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:19,800
And again, I kind of go back to
our rights versus our

1113
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:27,160
responsibility thing, right?
If we want people to exercise

1114
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:30,600
their rights in a responsible
way, then we have to exercise

1115
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:34,120
our responsibilities and taking
the first step in helping

1116
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:37,000
people.
And that's an can be an

1117
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:40,840
uncomfortable thing, especially
for people who aren't like us,

1118
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:44,440
right?
People who maybe are, you know,

1119
01:16:44,440 --> 01:16:47,520
look, talking to most people
here, look, none of us have

1120
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,720
1,000,000 bucks.
I don't think I could be wrong.

1121
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,400
But for the most part, we all
have jobs.

1122
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,960
We all have to get up and go to
work in the morning, right?

1123
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,240
We have a ton of other things
going on.

1124
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,600
And if we're used to being
productive, sometimes it's

1125
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:07,480
uncomfortable from time to time
to try to, to, to, you know, be

1126
01:17:07,480 --> 01:17:10,480
around people who maybe don't
have the same work ethic we do.

1127
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,040
But nonetheless, it's going to
be necessary.

1128
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:16,200
And, and this, this knows no
race or anything else.

1129
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:20,320
This is just humans in general.
We can, we can see plenty of

1130
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:23,600
white people in this situation
just like we can blacks or

1131
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:29,040
Hispanics or anything else.
So I, I do think that if, if we

1132
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:33,880
want to help people, it's going
to really require us going above

1133
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,480
and beyond what we're used to
and being able to counsel with

1134
01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:39,880
people and help them along.
Does anyone have anything else

1135
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:46,440
they'd like to add here?
Yeah.

1136
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:56,080
The news for caring for the poor
to relieve the misfortunes, and

1137
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:59,320
this comes from Ben Franklin to
receive to relieve the

1138
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:02,800
misfortunes of our fellow
creatures, and concurring with

1139
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:06,320
is concurring with the Deity.
It is God like.

1140
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:10,840
But if we provide encouragement
for laziness and supports for

1141
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:15,440
folly, may we not be found
fighting against the order of

1142
01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:20,160
God and nature, which perhaps is
appointed wanton misery as the

1143
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:24,280
proper punishments for and
cautions against as well as

1144
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:28,400
necessary consequences of
idleness and extravagance.

1145
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:32,640
Whenever we attempt to amend the
scheme of Providence and to

1146
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:36,600
interfere with the government of
the world, we had need be very

1147
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:40,320
circumspect lest we do more harm
than good.

1148
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:44,480
This goes along with something
else that Franklin said, which

1149
01:18:44,480 --> 01:18:47,680
was you don't want to make the
poor too comfortable in their

1150
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,520
poverty.
And I know that may sound harsh,

1151
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:55,440
but I don't think it is because
we we have to be able to

1152
01:18:55,440 --> 01:18:59,760
incentivize people to not stay
in that position to where they

1153
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:01,600
are needing assistance all the
time.

1154
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,200
Justin, go ahead.
Yeah.

1155
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:08,640
You know, I would, you know, in
that settlement, I would like to

1156
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:10,560
just say thank.
God for rock bottom.

1157
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:12,960
Honestly, absolutely,
completely.

1158
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:17,280
I, I have, I have been there in
my life in various aspects,

1159
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:20,200
maybe not economically, but in
various degrees.

1160
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:24,240
I've, I have been there and
there is nothing as

1161
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:30,800
transformational and therapeutic
as as losing it all and being

1162
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:35,000
able to look at yourself and say
I've got nothing and starting

1163
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:38,960
fresh.
There's been times in my life

1164
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:43,320
where an escape that I had
desperately wanted in that

1165
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:47,520
moment would have been
catastrophic to me becoming the

1166
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:51,520
kind of person that I want to be
and, and having the, the family

1167
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:56,440
that I've got right now.
So honestly, it, it needs to be

1168
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:59,680
it, it's, it's, it needs to be
in God's hands, right?

1169
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:03,280
It needs to be in God's hands.
But to a certain degree, thank

1170
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:07,760
God for rock bottom.
Absolutely, absolutely.

1171
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:12,640
So often times it's, it's at
that point of, of rock bottom

1172
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:17,440
that we will look up and, and be
like, OK, well, I either get to

1173
01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:21,960
sit here and die or I get to, to
move forward and, and move, pick

1174
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:25,160
myself back up.
And some of these are going to

1175
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:30,000
absolutely highlight that it
says do not help the needy

1176
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,960
completely, merely help them to
help themselves.

1177
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:38,320
Give the poor the satisfaction
of earned achievement instead of

1178
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:40,240
rewarding them without
achievement.

1179
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:47,680
OK, I want to talk about those
two for a second and and relate

1180
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:50,920
a story kind of on the opposite
spectrum of the one I shared

1181
01:20:51,480 --> 01:20:56,240
earlier.
I when I was in the LDS church,

1182
01:20:57,240 --> 01:21:00,960
I lived in a little town called
Shoshone, Idaho.

1183
01:21:01,440 --> 01:21:04,560
It's on the way up towards like
Sun Valley and Ketchum.

1184
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:10,600
And I was up there and while I
was up there, I got called as a

1185
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:16,520
ward financial clerk.
And one night I got a call from

1186
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:19,520
the Bishop saying, I need you to
come in to the church house

1187
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:25,040
right now, please, if you can.
And so I, you know, got my shoes

1188
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:29,880
on and I went in and he needed
me to print out a few checks for

1189
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:34,320
this family.
And I knew that I knew the

1190
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:41,800
gentleman that was in there.
And after I'd printed the check,

1191
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:45,040
I went in and I talked to the
Bishop and I, I just said, OK,

1192
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,760
I'm, you know, it's done.
I'm, I've made sure everything's

1193
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:49,480
put away.
The checkbook is up.

1194
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:53,040
I'm going to head out.
And he was just kind of, I could

1195
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,360
tell he was, he was still
thinking about some things.

1196
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:58,920
So I just kind of asked him.
I said, is you know, you OK?

1197
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,600
You doing all right?
And he said, yeah, he's like, we

1198
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:04,720
got to really help that family.
And I said, OK, well, we, we

1199
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:07,640
kind of did right.
And he said, no, no, we didn't

1200
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:09,960
help him yet.
And I was like, well, we, we

1201
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:13,160
just, you know, paid their power
bill and their rent payment and

1202
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:16,840
their, their, their Internet
bill And, and we helped him.

1203
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:18,720
And he said, no, we didn't help
him.

1204
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:22,000
He said we alleviated some
suffering at the moment.

1205
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:25,480
And he's like, we're not going
to help them until they're

1206
01:22:25,480 --> 01:22:30,160
self-sufficient.
And over the course of about 3

1207
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:36,200
or 4 months, I saw a change in
this man that that I hadn't seen

1208
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:38,000
before.
The gentleman who'd received the

1209
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:42,680
help, he was pretty beat up.
This was, this was during the

1210
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:48,640
downturn in the housing market
about it was the very beginning

1211
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:52,280
of it.
It was late 2007 and he was a

1212
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:54,160
builder and he was just out of
work, right?

1213
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:57,240
No one was building homes, no
one was building commercial.

1214
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:01,920
Everything had stopped.
And I remember there were times

1215
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:07,120
even before the, the, the
assistance was offered, he just

1216
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:11,160
looked dejected.
And I do remember when I handed

1217
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:16,720
him the checks for his various
utilities home, that sort of

1218
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:21,000
thing.
Boy, he was uncomfortable taking

1219
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:24,080
that.
And he, you know, his head was

1220
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:26,080
low.
He was not happy.

1221
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,400
After about four or five.
Months of the Bishop working

1222
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:33,680
with him, setting him up with
with, you know, opportunities to

1223
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:38,160
go and to learn a new skill and
getting him going.

1224
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:42,920
He was good.
You could see light return to

1225
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:49,200
this man's eyes and he could he
could kind of look at, I

1226
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:55,760
remember he said something, he
had taken me off to the side and

1227
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:58,880
he had just said, look, I
rethink the Bishop.

1228
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:02,560
I need to thank you for your
discretion and not talking about

1229
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:03,920
this.
I was like, well, absolutely.

1230
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:07,520
That's part of the calling.
And he just said something with

1231
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,080
tears in his eyes.
I'll never forget.

1232
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:15,600
He said I can look at my wife
and kids again and feel like I'm

1233
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:20,800
the provider I'm supposed to be.
And so not only had we helped

1234
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:25,480
this guy and just getting him
through the horrible situation

1235
01:24:25,480 --> 01:24:31,560
that he was in, but by teaching
him earned achievement again,

1236
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:34,320
right?
Rather than just take the hand

1237
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:39,240
out, we empowered him to be able
to live on his own and to stand

1238
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:41,840
on his own.
And not only did it fix him

1239
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,640
financially, it fixed him
emotionally as well.

1240
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:50,280
And I think that as as we help
people, we have to ask the

1241
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:55,320
question, are we helping them?
Or are we simply alleviating a

1242
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:58,480
crisis at the moment or
alleviating some pain at the

1243
01:24:58,480 --> 01:25:00,200
moment?
And I want to say this,

1244
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:04,920
alleviating the pain that has to
be done, right, that cannot not

1245
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:07,600
happen.
But we also, I think if we want

1246
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:11,160
to have the best impact we can
be and not just enable somebody,

1247
01:25:11,480 --> 01:25:15,000
we've got to teach them to step
up to, to kind of the next rung

1248
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,560
there on the ladder.
Does anyone have any, anything

1249
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:20,080
they would like to share on
that?

1250
01:25:26,970 --> 01:25:31,210
OK, well, let's let's just go
down this list here real quick.

1251
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:36,800
Allow LaPorte who to climb the
appreciation ladder, tent to

1252
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:40,040
cabin, cabin to cottage, cottage
to a comfortable house.

1253
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:44,720
That just means that that, you
know, you set, you hope that

1254
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:49,120
government has set things up in
such a way that upward mobility

1255
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:51,840
is possible.
And look, despite all of our

1256
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:54,640
problems, I want to say I do
believe that America, you still

1257
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:58,840
have the opportunity to, to, to
be upward mobile.

1258
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:03,840
Certainly I was proof of that.
I think.

1259
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:08,920
I think we see it still where
emergency help is provided.

1260
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:12,760
Do not prolong it to the point
it becomes habitual.

1261
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:16,400
Look, free money can be just as
addictive as heroin.

1262
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:20,600
And if people get hooked on it,
it's awfully hard to get them

1263
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:24,840
off.
Strictly enforce the scale of

1264
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:27,920
fixed responsibility.
Sorry for the typo there.

1265
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:31,960
And this one I felt was
important and because there

1266
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:36,160
there is kind of a hierarchy, I
guess you would hope people

1267
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:40,640
would go through before they
they go to any place else.

1268
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:43,560
So the first is the individual
themselves, right?

1269
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:46,840
Do they have savings, those
sorts of things?

1270
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:50,720
Then if that can't help the
family, then on to the church or

1271
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:55,240
another philanthropy, then the
community, then the county and

1272
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:59,720
then finally if it's a disaster
scenario, the state like the

1273
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:05,400
state of Missouri.
Now this came out of the book

1274
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:09,320
and I want to I want want to get
why you guys think this is the

1275
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:13,320
federal government should never
be involved in public welfare.

1276
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:20,400
Why do you suppose that is
Vanessa?

1277
01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:30,440
Part of the problem with welfare
being in a government entity is

1278
01:27:30,440 --> 01:27:33,200
that the government itself
doesn't have its own money and

1279
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:37,600
its own assets to give.
They have to take from others to

1280
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:39,760
give.
And so if they're involved in

1281
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:44,480
public welfare, they really
aren't in a position.

1282
01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:48,000
It's not their decision, it's in
order to fund it, you have to

1283
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:51,480
take it from the people.
And one, that takes away from

1284
01:27:51,480 --> 01:27:53,400
the people being able to fill
that role.

1285
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:58,160
And two, it's just it's tends
towards government overreach.

1286
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:04,320
100% Does anyone else have
anything I'd like to add?

1287
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:05,840
That was an excellent point, by
the way.

1288
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:12,360
Vanessa.
Yeah, I, I don't disagree at all

1289
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:16,000
with what Vanessa said.
How she described the

1290
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,160
government, though, I think is
also true of state and even

1291
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:22,040
local, even county governments.
I don't know of any.

1292
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:24,520
Well, I'm not aware of any
government that generates its

1293
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:26,440
own income.
All, all governments are run by

1294
01:28:26,440 --> 01:28:28,600
taking from the people.
And that doesn't mean

1295
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:30,440
governments are a bad thing, but
it doesn't mean that they're

1296
01:28:30,440 --> 01:28:33,800
funded by the people.
I think the reason why federal

1297
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:36,560
government should never be
involved in public welfare is

1298
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:40,080
because their hammer is large.
They don't solve things at our

1299
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:44,120
level very well.
Oh, that's a good point too.

1300
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:48,720
Justin, I saw you kind of came
off mute there.

1301
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:49,920
Do you have something you wanted
to add?

1302
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:52,760
Yeah.
You know, one other interesting

1303
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,800
thing here is when the federal
government gets involved in

1304
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:58,480
public welfare, it generally
involves printing dollars.

1305
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:04,120
And the reality of the situation
is, is printing dollars hurts

1306
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:07,920
the poor more than anybody else.
When?

1307
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:11,120
You're just barely surviving,
living paycheck to paycheck, and

1308
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:14,240
the government starts printing
dollars that raises the costs of

1309
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:16,960
everything.
And you're probably not going to

1310
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:20,280
be in a position to ask.
For a raise if you're poor.

1311
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:23,640
You know, when you're in the
middle class, upper class, you

1312
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:25,960
can, you can mitigate these
kinds of things.

1313
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:27,960
What, when you're poor, you
can't.

1314
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:31,520
And so when the federal
government gets involved in

1315
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:36,000
public welfare, it's stealing
from the poor to give to the

1316
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:40,200
poor as much as anything else.
And that just creates more

1317
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:45,040
poverty and and more of a of a a
dependent class.

1318
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:49,560
Absolutely.
And you know, all those answers

1319
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:52,280
are are spot on.
I couldn't couldn't say it

1320
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:55,080
better myself.
I think there's another reason

1321
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:57,440
here that that we should look at
this.

1322
01:29:57,440 --> 01:30:00,720
And then I got a bit of a story
here before we move on.

1323
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:06,960
And part of that is, is that the
way the system was originally

1324
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:10,960
designed, federal money was
never meant to go out.

1325
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:15,200
The states were meant to
contribute to Washington, DC.

1326
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:19,200
Now, that may seem backwards to
us today, but the thought

1327
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:23,640
process on that was if the
federal government ever got out

1328
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:25,960
of control, if they ever tried
doing something they weren't

1329
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:30,240
supposed to, the states could
just cut funding and then

1330
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:32,040
Washington couldn't run any
longer.

1331
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:36,920
But now it's the other way
around.

1332
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:39,960
Now we get a tremendous amount
of money from the federal

1333
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:42,800
government to the states.
It's completely flipped upside

1334
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:45,360
down.
And so the power dynamic has

1335
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:48,120
shifted.
That's why Gavin Newsom could

1336
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:52,480
get on a few months back and
say, well, we're a donor state,

1337
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:54,960
doesn't matter to us.
Meaning they ship more money out

1338
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:58,720
than they take in, which wasn't
true once you broke down the

1339
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,720
numbers.
But he was trying to, to stand

1340
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:05,200
on that, on that pedestal there
and, and draw that line.

1341
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:11,040
If we were operating the way we
should be, the federal

1342
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:12,720
government would have no money
to give.

1343
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:17,880
It would be just to operate the
bare essentials, right?

1344
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:23,640
Provide for the for, for a stand
for the, for the Army, a small

1345
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:25,120
federal government and that's
it.

1346
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:34,120
I saw this go off the rails
personally when we moved from

1347
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:38,000
Maryland back to Boise.
We moved back to adopt my twins.

1348
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:44,200
My sister had given birth to a
set of twins and she had used

1349
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:46,400
methamphetamine while they were
in utero.

1350
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:51,400
And so they were in horrible
shape and we got the call,

1351
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:55,840
talked it over with Amber and
there was no question we were

1352
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:59,960
moving back to adopt them.
So I went out a month ahead.

1353
01:31:59,960 --> 01:32:03,640
We move out, we, we jump through
all the hoops, everything else,

1354
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:09,240
we, we end up starting the
adoption process and we get all

1355
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:14,360
the way through about two years.
And finally we're, we're, we're

1356
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:16,160
ready to go to permanent
placement.

1357
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:18,560
Up until this point, we were
just foster parents.

1358
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:23,440
And when we move, when we move
back to Boise, everybody was on

1359
01:32:23,440 --> 01:32:26,160
the same page, right?
Oh, you know, yeah.

1360
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:28,720
It's, it's you guys need to
adopt these kids.

1361
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:30,920
And, you know, we we called you
because you were you were

1362
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:32,440
family.
And their medical problems were

1363
01:32:32,440 --> 01:32:35,320
so overwhelming that we didn't,
we were going to have to split

1364
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:36,840
them up if you guys don't take
them.

1365
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,960
So they've been in our home for
about a year and a half, two

1366
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:43,560
years.
And while you're a foster

1367
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:45,720
parent, you're kind of hemmed
in, right?

1368
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:52,360
You really can't go out of town
unless you a clear it and then

1369
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:56,080
you really can't go out of the
state at all, or at least you

1370
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:59,760
couldn't in Idaho.
And you'd have to drop the kids

1371
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:03,320
off with a family to watch.
Well, I don't know this other

1372
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:06,800
family and I'm not going to just
drop these kids off who I'm who

1373
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:08,640
who I consider my own.
Now.

1374
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:11,440
That's not going to happen.
I don't know these people.

1375
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:14,280
So we couldn't leave the state.
We were kind of stuck.

1376
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:16,440
So we were getting a bit stir
crazy, right?

1377
01:33:16,440 --> 01:33:19,600
We wanted to get this adoption
done, then we wanted to take a

1378
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:25,400
nice family vacation.
And I remember I begged to get

1379
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:28,960
moved to to permanent placement.
And that was a different

1380
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:32,840
department within Idaho's health
and welfare system for child

1381
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:35,760
services.
And that's the adoption phase.

1382
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:38,640
And they just kept dragging
their feet.

1383
01:33:40,440 --> 01:33:43,800
And so finally I just said,
well, I'm going to call them

1384
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:45,320
today and something's going to
happen.

1385
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:49,600
I was at my wit's end and so I'm
at work and I'm on the phone and

1386
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:52,320
I said OK, you need to move my
file.

1387
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:55,320
And she said well I'm really
busy right now.

1388
01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:57,040
I can't.
And I said I'll tell you what

1389
01:33:57,040 --> 01:33:59,840
I'm going to do.
I've had that answer for about 6

1390
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:02,840
weeks now and I'm pissed and I'm
over it.

1391
01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:08,200
So I'm going to go ahead and I'm
going to pay my secretary to

1392
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:13,040
drive down to move the file.
And the lady said, well, you

1393
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:15,000
can't do that.
And I said, why not?

1394
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:16,880
And she said, well, there's
privacy issues.

1395
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:19,600
I'm like, great, have the file
ready for me.

1396
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:22,480
And when I come down there, I
will walk it down.

1397
01:34:22,480 --> 01:34:26,000
And as long as that file, you
have that file, I'll just pick

1398
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:27,760
it up and, and walk it down the
hall.

1399
01:34:29,440 --> 01:34:32,720
And she said, hold on one
second, let me get get you the

1400
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:37,160
these kids as case manager.
And at this point I was starting

1401
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:42,640
to get kind of nervous and this
lady got on the phone and she

1402
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:47,360
said, hey, you know, we've been
we've been talking things over

1403
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:50,800
and you know, you guys have done
a great job at nursing these

1404
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:53,920
twins back to health.
You guys have done, done

1405
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:57,400
fantastic.
But you already have 4 kids.

1406
01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:00,360
And we feel wonder if maybe
these twins wouldn't be better

1407
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:04,560
served to go to a family now
that they're healthy, that

1408
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:09,800
doesn't have kids.
And in that moment, I lost my

1409
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:12,080
mind.
And I said some things that I

1410
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:16,360
won't repeat here because they
were questionable to say the

1411
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:20,840
least.
And I immediately went and found

1412
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:29,000
the nastiest, most attention
seeking family practice attorney

1413
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:31,920
I could find.
Now, I found a guy down there

1414
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:40,040
named Bill Knapp and he was
excellent and he had had started

1415
01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:43,240
to work on the case and it
costed me a lot of money.

1416
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:46,080
And he said, I think we got
something.

1417
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:48,200
Why don't you come in here
because we're going to go on a

1418
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:52,280
conference call.
So I went in there and I sat

1419
01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:56,280
down and he made the phone call
and he said, look, I've I've

1420
01:35:56,280 --> 01:35:59,000
done my homework and I've done
my research and I know exactly

1421
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:02,080
what's happening here.
The more kids you have on the

1422
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:04,920
roll, the more the federal
government pays you guys.

1423
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:09,520
So it doesn't behoove you to
move kids to a permanent home

1424
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:11,840
where they will have a forever
family.

1425
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:14,000
It behooves you to keep them in
the system.

1426
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:18,160
And he said in a state that's as
far right as Idaho.

1427
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:21,840
I am really looking forward to
prosecuting this and and really

1428
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:25,160
making a stink and talking to
the to the news or anyone else

1429
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:29,600
who would listen about this.
Three hours later, they had

1430
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:34,960
moved our case to a private
adoption agency, paying for the

1431
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:37,520
whole thing.
And they said, and we had it all

1432
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:39,880
wrapped up within about three
weeks after that.

1433
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:44,920
Now, whenever the federal
government starts to give money

1434
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:50,080
to the states, you can bet your
bottom dollar that graft and

1435
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:52,120
corruption are right around the
corner.

1436
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:56,040
And I think the founders were
smart enough in understanding

1437
01:36:56,040 --> 01:37:00,280
this that they said Washington
should not be giving money to

1438
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:03,200
the states.
The states should give just

1439
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:06,520
enough money to Washington to
keep it functioning.

1440
01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:11,160
The whole reason Washington,
George Washington elected to

1441
01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:14,840
build Washington, DC, where it
was at is because it's on a

1442
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:17,600
swamp.
It's called Foggy Bottom Swamp.

1443
01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:20,880
And in the summertime, before
air conditioning was invented,

1444
01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:23,240
that place was miserable to live
in.

1445
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:27,440
And that was by design so that
we wouldn't have lifelong

1446
01:37:27,440 --> 01:37:32,560
politicians and this ability to
get rich by serving in Congress,

1447
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:36,600
by allowing Congress to send
money to the states, which then

1448
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:40,840
get just like a person can get
hooked on on on free money,

1449
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:43,120
states can get hooked on free
money as well.

1450
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:46,840
And because that system is
upside down now, graft and

1451
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:50,520
corruption run rampant through
through government.

1452
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:54,600
Does anyone else have any other
anything else they would like to

1453
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:59,840
add to this slide here?
All right, let's go ahead and

1454
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:08,800
let's move on.
All right, looks like we're out

1455
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:10,080
of time.
We're about to start a new

1456
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:11,720
section.
You guys want to wrap it up for

1457
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:14,760
the night or do you guys want to
to keep going?

1458
01:38:19,480 --> 01:38:21,640
Anybody.
I'm good to wrap it up.

1459
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:23,760
If we can continue where we're
leaving off here, that'd be

1460
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:24,840
great.
Yeah.

1461
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:29,440
No, we're good to wrap up here.
So basically at at the end of

1462
01:38:29,440 --> 01:38:33,160
all of what we went on here then
and and wrapping up right here

1463
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:35,800
and then we'll move on to
Principal 8 next week.

1464
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:44,440
Is that we we need to be careful
on on how we're allowing

1465
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:49,800
immigration to happen and what
we can expect if we don't follow

1466
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:54,560
through well with that and get
get folks fully integrated into

1467
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:56,600
the society.
The more they hang out, the more

1468
01:38:56,600 --> 01:38:59,240
time there is for things to go
wrong.

1469
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:04,280
And likewise, to go along with
that, how we deal with the poor

1470
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:07,880
and how we deal with charity is
actually pretty important

1471
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:10,680
because it's going to affect us
all and it's going to affect the

1472
01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:13,560
the viability in the health of
our nation at large.

1473
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:19,080
And I just let you guys simmer
with that for a little while and

1474
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:21,120
we'll plan on seeing you next
week.

1475
01:39:21,120 --> 01:39:25,120
So let's see.
Tim, can you give us a closing

1476
01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:28,960
prayer?
Yeah, you bet.

1477
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:33,840
Father in Heaven, we bow our
heads before you at this time.

1478
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:36,680
Humble gratitude at the
opportunity at being able to

1479
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:39,800
meet here.
And we thank you for the spirit

1480
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:43,320
that has attended this.
We ask we may go our separate

1481
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:48,840
ways now and keep your spirit
with us and and that we might be

1482
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:52,840
able to commit some of this to
memory and embed the ideals

1483
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:55,080
within our hearts and within our
lives.

1484
01:39:55,800 --> 01:40:00,000
We ask for your guidance in
doing so that all that we do I

1485
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:04,760
might be according to your will.
We thank you for the proctors of

1486
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:10,160
this training and we thank you
for all that you do for us.

1487
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:12,680
And we say this in the name of
Jesus Christ, Amen.

1488
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:14,960
Amen.
Thanks everybody.