5,000 Year Leap Discussion #3

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Hey everybody, if you remember a
few months back I mentioned that

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we were going to be starting a
discussion group on the book The

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5000 Year Leap.
Before I go into all the details

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here, I want to tell you what
the book's about.

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The book goes into the
principles behind our founding

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documents like the Declaration
of Independence, the

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Constitution, the Bill of
Rights, and it really

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illuminates and and brings those
principles to life.

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It was written by Kleon Skousen
some number of years back, but

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it's still a very pertinent book
to this day.

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If you want to understand what
the original plan was for

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America.
Now we've started holding the

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discussion groups.
In fact, it just last night, on

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Monday, we finished up the.
The 5th discussion.

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Now it was suggested to me that
maybe I go ahead and I post

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these on the podcast.
And so with the help of another

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gentleman, we went ahead and
we've cleaned it all up.

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It's it.
And we're going to start loading

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those today.
Now we've done 5 to this point.

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My plan is, is I'm going to load
the 1st 4 today all the way

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through Friday and you'll be
able to find those and just be

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able to listen to them and get a
feel for what it's all about.

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Now if you decide you want to
join the the discussion group

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live, I've tried to make that
easy for you.

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I put a link to the Zoom
discussion group.

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That we hold.
Every Monday night at 7:00 PM

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Central in conjunction.
With that I've also.

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Uploaded the link and all the
episode notes for, for kind of

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this discussion group where you
can join on that Telegram group

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and kind of join in some, some
extracurricular discussion if

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you'd like throughout the week.
You'll also be able to find the

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slides I used for my
presentations and that sort of

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thing there.
Now this in no way effects

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anything I'm doing on Saturday.
You're you'll still be able to

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get the, the normal podcast as
it always is on Saturday.

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This is just something extra
that'll go till May for you.

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So again, I hope you guys enjoy
these things.

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If you wish to join the
discussion group and the

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Telegram group, you can find
those links and all the

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discussion group episode show
notes.

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Anyway, I hope you enjoy this if
you decide to join the

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discussion group.
I look forward to seeing you

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there again.
That's every Monday night, 7:00

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PM Central.
Thanks everybody.

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Bye, government.
Did we have?

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Oops.
Thanks, Justin.

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Sorry about that.
No, it's all good.

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What kind of government were or
what?

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Excuse me, what was the document
we were operating under prior to

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the Constitution, after we'd won
the Revolutionary War?

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Does anyone remember?
You mean the article's a

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confederation?
The article's a confederation.

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So, Justin, what was what was
wrong or anybody what was wrong

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with the Articles of
Confederation?

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My understanding was it was it
would be more of like what

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Europe is or like the.
Well, yeah, well, more like what

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Europe used to be where, you
know, the states would all be

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essentially separate countries
and it wouldn't be a, you know,

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a harmonized nation.
We probably would go to war with

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each other a lot sooner than we
ended up doing and all that kind

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of stuff.
No, no, that, that's exactly

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right.
So what you had is you

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essentially had 13 different
countries.

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They weren't calling, you know,
they were no longer colonies.

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They were their own separate
country.

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And look, I think if we're
honest with each other, we could

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understand the knee jerk
reaction to that, right?

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This is a people who were
probably not probably.

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They were definitely coming out
of a very tyrannical system.

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And that system left no room for
the people to operate on their

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own.
And so there's a snee jerk

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reaction, right?
And and that knee jerk reaction

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is keep power as as as close to
the people as possible, right?

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And and that's a good thing.
And we're going to talk, talk.

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You're not a United States at
that point.

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You are simply a collection of
13 different countries that

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happened to inhabit the same
continent.

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And it led to a lot of chaos.
It led to problems with money,

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right?
Imagine.

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And, and I was just back there.
So I was thinking about this

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when I was back there, actually
take Vermont and and New

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Hampshire as an example, pretty
close together, right?

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You, you can drive across there
and probably an hour from one

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state to the other.
But back in the old days,

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despite how close they were and
look, it took a little longer to

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travel, but still they were very
close together.

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You couldn't take the money that
you made in Vermont and spend it

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in New Hampshire.
They would just not recognize

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it.
And so you have problems that

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way, right?
Countries that are that close

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together, that are that
separated in in how they

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administer things, leads to
chaos.

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The other thing is, is that I
think the founders recognized

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early on that this would be a
way that other countries could

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come in and disrupt what the
founders had originally

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intended, which was to at some
point get to be a United States.

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And so like a state like
Pennsylvania, it could be

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surrounded, you know, by
different monarchies, right?

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You could have Spain coming in
and trying to lay claim to one

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of those or, or whatnot.
So the founders understood that,

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hey, we got some problems here
and, and they need to be

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addressed.
And so that that is essentially

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what spurs on the Constitutional
convention.

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Now I want to share a little
story here about that before we

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dive into what it is the
founders ended up giving us.

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And my favorite founder of all
is George Washington.

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And I think I think it was
Jefferson that summed him up

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best.
He said he wasn't the he wasn't

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the most intelligent, he wasn't
the most articulate, but his

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honor was above reproach.
So if Washington said something,

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you could take it to the bank.
And so as Madison is is

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recognizing all these problems
and a lot of the founders are

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Madison understands that they're
going to have to get all these

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leaders of these different
essentially city states to come

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together in Philadelphia and try
to hammer out a new a new

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constitution, a new form of
government.

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And they go to, you know, he
goes to to all the big names,

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right?
The Adams, the, the Jefferson

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wasn't there.
He was overseas.

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They go to, oh, I'm sorry,
Franklin, all those other big

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founders, right?
And he, he kind of lies to him,

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not kind of, he flat out lies to
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He says, you guys should come.
And there's some consternation,

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right?
There's some folks saying, gosh,

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I, I don't know if I want to go
and Madison to, to kind of lure

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him in.
He says, well, George

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Washington's going to preside at
this and then everybody is on

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board.
Now, this is all well and good,

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except for Washington doesn't
know that Adams is making this

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this claim.
And so as he's just a week or

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two away from the convention,
he's like, I guess I better go

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talk to George now and see if
this is going to work.

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So he goes and he he ends up
talking to George Washington.

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He says, you know, this is
what's going to happen.

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And I kind of told everyone you
were going to be there.

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And Washington is pretty
perturbed.

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And Washington says something
that's that's profound.

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He says, have I not yet bled
enough for my country?

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And I think it shows his
character that he just wants to

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go back.
He's done his service.

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He just wants to go home and be
a farmer.

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Nonetheless, there's we know
that he goes now, we don't know

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how the decision making went on
this.

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We have no clue at all, but
there is a very interesting

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journal entry from Martha and I
read it and I can't prove this.

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I'm not saying this happened,
but boy, it sure feels right.

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And all it says is spent hours
with the general this night in

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in in the parlor as he was very
unsettled.

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And I could only imagine that
she was like, look, you know

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you're going to go you you can't
not go.

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It's who you are.
And that next morning he saddles

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his horse.
He saddles his carriage and and

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makes makes off for
Philadelphia.

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But this this would be a
collection of men who really

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didn't agree as much as we think
they are or what were led to

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believe.
These were men of high

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integrity, high intelligence,
and they were going to argue

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things to the death.
But through that conflict, which

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would be Philadelphia, the the
Constitutional Convention, they

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give us our Constitution, which
today is the longest operating

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constitution in the country.
Now, that doesn't mean that it's

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it's perfect by any stretch of
the imagination, but they gave

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us a heck of a head start.
And to do this, they essentially

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borrowed from two places.
And the first place that they

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borrow is Anglo-Saxon common
law.

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And now this one, I can't verify
for certain the seal here, but

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I'm pretty certain that this was
gonna be the seal, part of the

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seal for the first seal of the
United States.

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There's two parts to it.
And these are two prominent

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Anglo-Saxon men, Hengest and
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I believe they were brothers and
it was just kind of a nod to it.

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It, it played a huge part.
Can anyone here tell me who the

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Anglo Saxons were?
The Anglo Saxons were, were

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essentially the Vikings.
And they, the interesting thing

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is, is we always think of
Vikings as as those guys who are

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out there, you know, marauding
and pillaging.

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And look, they did that, but
they also had some interesting

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ideas on government.
And so some of the things that

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they borrowed from the Anglo
Saxons were, were things like,

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excuse me, it's not working
here.

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Here we go.
So out of this there's comes

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what's called people's law,
right?

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And under this Anglo-Saxon kind
of ideal, they were considered a

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Commonwealth of free men, right?
They weren't subservient to each

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other and in the same way we
would think of with kings and

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stuff, they certainly had their
chieftains and their rulers.

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But there was this idea that all
men were were free.

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They were considered a
Commonwealth of, of of free men.

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Leaders were chosen by the
governed.

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Laws were considered natural law
or given by divine dispensation.

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Power was dispersed among the
people.

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It was never allowed to
concentrate in one one person.

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And then when it came to problem
solving, there was a definite

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order that the Anglo Saxons had
right If there is, if there was

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a problem with a family or a
person, it would first go from

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the individual to the family to
the tribe, then the community,

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the region and the nation.
So it was this ascending order

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and to to give you an example of
kind of how serious they were

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about this, this is what's known
as the the public land survey

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system.
Now I'm going to get a little

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nerdy here and talk about what I
do for a living.

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And West of the 13 colonies,
Jefferson devised a system of

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dividing up land for people to
purchase.

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And how he would do that is that
he would take what was what was

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called a Township.
And a Township was divided up

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into 36 square miles.
And so you can see how they're

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kind of numbered here.
They go from 1:00 to 6:00 here,

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drops down to 7, all the way
down to 36.

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This would be the next Township
over.

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Now, what's interesting about
this is that when Jefferson

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first devises his plan, not only
is he saying, OK, this will be

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great for settling, but he also
gives some instruction that that

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these should be used as voting
districts as well.

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So again, remembering that
ascending order it when when you

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were voting, you would vote, you
know, here and then the bulk of

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the 36 how it was divided or if
it was split, they would inform

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that.
But then the Township would vote

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and then on up to counties and
state.

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And likewise, it was supposed to
work the opposite way when if

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things ever got bad right that
OK, if the federal government

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ever went down, it would go to
the state, then to the county

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and then eventually down to
these townships.

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But we've ignored that.
The other thing this if we would

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have stuck to Jefferson's
principles here, and I believe

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the principles of the rest of
the the the founders, we would

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not have the problems we have
now with cherry meandering where

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where politicians are dividing
up voting districts based on

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where people live.
If we'd have stuck to that

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system, it would have been
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But nonetheless, I the overall
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definitely borrow this idea of
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dealing with problems.
The other place that the

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founders drew heavily from was
the Bible itself.

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This was going to be the other
part of our national seal.

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And what it represents is the
Exodus story.

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So here you have Moses and the
children of Israel being LED

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across the, the, the Red Sea
with the, the, the pillar of

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fire and the cloud of smoke and
Pharaoh's armor armies being

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drowned in the ocean.
And so these were these were men

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who borrowed from these sources.
So we just kind of talked about

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what he what they borrowed from
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Now we're going to talk a little
bit about what he, he, what they

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borrow from the Hebrew Bible.
If the Bible itself is,

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interestingly enough, has a
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liberty.
In Leviticus 2510, it says, And

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ye shall hollow the the 15th
year and proclaim liberty

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throughout all the land until
all the inhabitants thereof.

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OK, pop quiz real quick.
Where else does this part show

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up on one of our national
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Proclaim liberty throughout all
the land unto all the

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inhabitants thereof.
There is one American artifact

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that has this inscribed on it.
Anyone want to take a guess?

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Is it the Liberty Bell?
It is the Liberty Bell.

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Yep, it is the Liberty Bell.
You can in Philadelphia, they

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have it set in behind a glass
case, but you can still go in

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and look at it.
And interestingly enough, there

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is a, there was a second bell
that was cast out of that, that

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particular cast.
And I believe it is an ownership

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right now of a gentleman down in
Texas who who actually bought

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the second Liberty Bell and has
it preserved in his private

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collection.
My hope is, is that one day he

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will part with that because from
what I understand it is still

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operational.
It can be rung and every once in

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a while, I believe there's plans
this year of rolling it out in a

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celebration in Texas somewhere
where he's going to put it on a

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on a wooden oh kind of plank and
hold it up and he'll ring that

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bell and sound out.
I would love to hear it anyway.

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So yeah, they're they're
borrowing from from the from the

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Hebrew scriptures here and the
Lord is very clear here.

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He's he's he even criticizes or
or chastises Israel when they

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mess up and Jeremiah 34 seven
the Lord tells them therefore,

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thus saith the Lord, ye have not
hearkened unto me in proclaiming

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liberty, everyone to his brother
and every man to his neighbor.

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Behold, I proclaim liberty for
you, saith the Lord.

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OK, so Israel was expected to
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if they didn't, the Lord was
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Now, it's more than just
principle that the founders are

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drawing from when it comes to to
the Hebrew Scriptures.

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They actually borrow some
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And this is this is pretty
interesting.

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So this comes from Exodus 18,
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And this is a problem that's
going on is that Moses is kind

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of at this point acting kind of
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He is, he, he's like trying to
solve all the people's problems.

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And so he's, he's kind of
starting to wear down and

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Jethro's going to come in and
he's going to submit his plan,

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his idea for something.
And so I, I find this real

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interesting.
I want to read these 'cause I, I

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don't think we can do it justice
if we just glossed over it here.

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Let me, let me go back one here
and try to get rid of the screen

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here.
There we go, starting at 13.

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And it came to pass on the
Morrow that Moses sat to judge

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the people, and the people stood
by Moses from the morning until

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the evening.
And when Moses's father-in-law

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saw all that he did to the
people, he said, what is this

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thing that thou doest to the
people?

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Why sittest thou self thyself
alone?

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And all the people stand by thee
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OK, so Jethro and and it's
pretty interesting here.

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I want to make another
connection.

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Most likely I, I don't have
anything that I can point to for

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certain.
If someone else does, I'd love

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to hear it 'cause I'm willing to
be wrong here.

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But my, my thoughts are, is that
Moses probably got his, got

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ordained to the priesthood from
his father-in-law.

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And so it's interesting that his
father-in-law, who's kind of a

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priesthood man, is the one
that's about to illuminate, you

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know, the problem and then the
solution.

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So Jethro sees Moses, and he's
just there morning tonight,

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hearing all the concerns of the
people, all the problems that

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they have.
And you can only imagine the

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problems that would be there,
right?

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I mean, so and so, you know,
took my cow or, you know, so and

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so broke something to mind.
And so Moses has to just sit and

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constantly mediate these issues.
So in going on in 15.

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And Moses said unto his
father-in-law, Because the

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people come unto me, and inquire
of God, when they have a matter,

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they come unto me, and I judge
between 1:00 and another, and I

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do not make them excuse me, and
I do make them know the statutes

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of God and his laws.
And Moses, father-in-law, said

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unto him, The thing thou doest
is not good.

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Thou shalt surely wear away both
thou and this people that is

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with thee, for this thing is too
heavy for thee.

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Thou art not able to perform it
thyself alone.

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Hearken unto my voice, and I
will give thee counsel, and God

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shall be with thee.
Be thou for the people to God

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word that thou mayest bring this
cause unto God.

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OK, so Jethro's illuminating the
plan here.

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He's like, look, you're going to
wear yourself out this, you

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know, you're going to wear out
the people.

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Even that's interesting that the
people themselves would be wore

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out and he said hearken to my
voice and be for your people to

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Godward saying OK, when the
problems are that tough, look to

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God.
That's your role going on in

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verse 20, that thou may teach
them ordinances and laws, and

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shall shew them the way wherein
that they must walk and the work

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that they must do.
And moreover, thou shalt provide

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out of all the people able men
such as fear God, men of truth,

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hating, covetousness, a place
such for them to be rulers of

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thousands and rulers of
hundreds, and rulers of 50s and

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rulers of 10's.
And let them judge the people at

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all seasons.
And it shall be that every let

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me move the screen here.
Every great matter they shall

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bring unto thee, but every small
matter they shall judge.

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So shall it be easier for
thyself, and they shall bear the

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burden with thee.
If thou shalt do this thing and

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God command thee, then thou
shalt be able to endure.

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And all this people shall also
go to their place in peace.

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So Moses hearkened to the voice
of his father-in-law and did all

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that he said.
And Moses chose able men out of

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all Israel and made them heads
over the people.

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Rulers of thousands, rulers of
hundreds, rulers of 50s and

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rulers of 10's.
And they judge the people at all

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seasons, the hard causes they
brought unto Moses, but every

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small matter they judge
themselves.

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So what does that kind of sound
like?

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Does anyone want to take a take
a guess here?

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Taylor, I saw you.
You made a, made a response.

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Oh, sure.
I was just putting in the chat a

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few things.
So First off, the reference for

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Moses, he was ordained by
Jethro.

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It's not recorded in the Old
Testament, but it is in section

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84, verse 6.
And in fact, another interesting

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note that who was it Tim was
asking about is because I, I

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just mentioned that it's
interesting to me that Jethro's

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line of authority is
contemporaneous to Abraham's,

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but it's a separate line and,
and it's actually in section 84.

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I'll just read a few verses.
It gives the, the, the

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priesthood line genealogy.
Jethro received under the hand

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of Caleb who received under the
hand of Eli, who who was under

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the hand of Jeremy, who was
under the hand of Gad, who was

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under the hand of Isaius and
Isaias received it under the

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hand of God.
Isaias also lived in the days of

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Abraham and was blessed of him.
So Isaias was apparently a peer,

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you know another king and a
priest in the days of Abraham

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and they knew each other and and
he received a blessing at his

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hand.
The other thing that I wanted to

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to point out here is the
parallels between these verses

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that you just read with the the
revelation that the the Brigham

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Young received about the
organization of the camp of

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Israel as the Saints moved from
Nauvoo out to Utah, organizing

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into captains of hundreds,
captains of 50s, captains of 10

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with the president and his
counselors at their head under

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the direction of the 12.
That's in section 136, verse 3

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and and it's it's the emphasis
is about the covenant that they

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will walk in all the ordinances
of the Lord in verse 4.

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I just see some striking
parallels to these verses that

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you just read.
This is from Exodus, right?

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Yeah, that's that's all I had.
No, that's great.

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I think it's also interesting to
point out, and I'm trying to

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find the reference here and I, I
didn't write it down and I wish

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I would have.
But there, there is a section

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where it does talk, talk about
that leaders were elected.

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And, and you can find that in
Second Samuel, in Chronicles 29,

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in Second Chronicles 10, and
that the people also voted on

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new laws as well.
And so there's a, there's a

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tradition here within the Hebrew
scriptures of of, you know,

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keeping power and governance
close to the people.

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And that's important.
Why is it important that

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government stay as close to the
people as possible?

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Well, the opposite.
That would be like Pharaoh,

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right?
They just got out of Egypt.

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They just been under this total
totalitarian government system.

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And in that kind of a system, if
you're a Hebrew slave, you have

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no recourse.
There's no justice.

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There's the law can't defend
you.

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It can only be used to hurt you.
Absolutely.

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Anybody else.
It's interesting, having lived

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all over the country, I've had
the opportunity.

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I mean, I've lived in Alaska,
I've lived in Idaho, I've lived

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in Utah, North Dakota, Maryland,
and now Missouri.

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And the one thing I find
interesting is that each state

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has its own unique
characteristics and along with

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that its own unique problems.
And so if you were trying to

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govern a a land and a people is
diverse as Americans to try to

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impose A1 size fits all solution
on those problems, it's not

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gonna work.
And so by keeping the government

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close to the people, the people
themselves have the opportunity

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of looking and saying, OK, what
are the issues here and what can

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we do about it?
That also provides a nice

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framework of not only being able
to address the problems from

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those people who are affected by
it, but also those folks are

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going to be way more sensitive
to the needs of the people

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within anyone jurisdiction.
If that, if, if we wait for DC

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to make all the laws, we have to
look at the problems that DC is

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having, right.
I, I use the, the homelessness

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problem a lot in this, in this
argument here.

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We hear people from like major
population centers a lot of the

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time say, well, we need to
allocate more money for

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homelessness and for social
programs and these sorts of

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things.
And folks like the majority of

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us who live out in the country,
right, we tend to be like, well,

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we don't have those problems.
And So what you get is an

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overbearing federal government
that wants people who don't have

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those problems to pay and fix
problems of somebody else.

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And it makes no sense.
And quite frankly, it tramples

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on rights.
And by keeping the government

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close to the people, you can get
rid of some of that.

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Now, the founders, they drew
from from other sources as well.

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These weren't the only sources
that they drew.

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Yeah.
Oh, yeah, Go ahead.

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Sorry, I repeat it.
Come off mute.

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Yo, you're good.
Before we move on from that

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point, I just want to tie it in
to King, King Mosiah before,

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before his death and kind of
succession because he he was the

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king and and he was a great
king.

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You know, talk about the ideal
situation.

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If you could have a king like
Benjamin or Mosiah or Jesus, you

449
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,920
know, we wouldn't need to worry
about elections and, you know,

450
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,920
keeping power less centralized
or, you know, having too much

451
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:11,120
power focused in one person.
But because King Mosiah

452
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,560
recognized the the tendency of
men, if it's a kingship, it's

453
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,080
usually a genealogical.
So it's just passed down to the

454
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,280
sons.
And as we saw with wicked King

455
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,800
Noah, that can have catastrophic
problems.

456
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,520
And so it's real good to so King
Benjamin proposed.

457
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:33,360
He's like, not only is it not
fair to the people to just be at

458
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,880
the whim of, oh, hopefully we
have a good king, but if his

459
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,880
son's a scoundrel, then we're
kind of screwed.

460
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,160
That's not fair to the people,
but it's also not fair to the

461
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,000
king to have so much burden of
responsibility.

462
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:50,600
And so he proposed a, a
dispersion of that focused power

463
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,520
in one person.
And he said it was to make men

464
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,120
accountable for their own
destiny, you know, to have

465
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:03,120
individual say and and influence
in the affairs of the nation,

466
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,840
rather than it's just the one
guy making all the calls and

467
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,080
calling all the shots, right.
So I think that it the the

468
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,040
centralization.
So as you know, you're

469
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,160
everybody's probably familiar
with the expression power

470
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,400
corrupts absolute power corrupts
absolutely.

471
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,400
When you have a king that is
absolute power and it can have a

472
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,920
very corrupting influence.
And so I'm sure King Mosiah even

473
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,920
struggled with like, do I, we
don't really have the full

474
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,240
record of every dealing in
judgment that he made, but I bet

475
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,640
he had personal experience.
And that's why he's like, it's

476
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,360
not fair to the king either to
have to to bear that whole

477
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,000
weight of responsibility on his
own.

478
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:48,520
And so he proposed the people
have, you know, say, and he was

479
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,560
kind of in stating some of these
Old Testament laws, you know,

480
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,480
precedents that you have
mentioned, like from Second

481
00:30:55,480 --> 00:31:00,640
Samuel, the, the involvement of
the people in submitting, you

482
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,080
know, they have to have consent,
they have to have a vote, they

483
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,560
have to have a say before new
laws get passed.

484
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,320
The other thing, and this is
backing up just a little bit.

485
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,680
I just wanted to comment, you
were talking about where are the

486
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:17,760
origins of the Anglo Saxons.
The Anglo Saxons are, you know,

487
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,640
and many other European tribes
like the early like Dark Ages

488
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,840
types of tribes have actually
been traced to some ancient

489
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,920
civilizations that no longer
exist.

490
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,280
But the archaeologists are
discovering they're called the

491
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:37,680
Scythians or Scythians.
It's CSCYTHIANS and the

492
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:43,400
Cimarans, which is with a
CCIMMARANS.

493
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,360
I'm pretty sure that's how
they're spelled.

494
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,920
And the Scythians and the
Sumarins came out of nowhere, so

495
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,640
to speak.
You know, there's no

496
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,560
archaeological record that I can
trace back exactly.

497
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,320
But they just, they just came
and they, and then they were

498
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:03,120
there and they had quite highly
developed societies and, and

499
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,560
economies and all of these arts
and all of these things that

500
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,760
they're finding these relics and
artifacts from these ancient

501
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,280
civilizations.
But they emerged right about

502
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,960
where the Romans dumped the
Israelites from the northern

503
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,720
kingdoms after they took over in
about 600 BC and destroyed the

504
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,360
temple and all of that sort of
thing.

505
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,920
So it's really interesting that
the Romans did forced

506
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:33,320
relocations to try to, you know,
nip in the bud any kind of

507
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,480
revolts and things like that.
And so when the, when the OR not

508
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,320
Romans, but the Babylonians and
Romans did this too.

509
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,000
But so like some of these
ancient empires to, to try to

510
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,240
quell uprisings from these newly
conquered territories, they

511
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,640
would do forced displacement.
And it wasn't, they weren't

512
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,960
unnecessarily harsh.
I mean, obviously they had no

513
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,280
say.
They had to do it.

514
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,440
The, the, the, the soldiers were
making them move, but they

515
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,560
guarded them along their journey
and all these things.

516
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,720
So, so we have records of where
these tribes of Israel were

517
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,560
moved to.
But then they're just, they

518
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,040
disappeared.
And that's why we call them the

519
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,320
lost 10 tribes.
But right about where these lost

520
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,520
10 tribes disappeared, the
Simran and the Scythian ancient

521
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:19,960
civilizations just came out of
nowhere, quote UN quote and and

522
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,360
thrived and built up these
civilizations.

523
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,960
And so I actually am quite
personally convinced, you know,

524
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,640
I could be wrong, but this is
there's a lot of compelling

525
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,000
evidence in my opinion that
these are actually Israelites,

526
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,000
the Anglo Saxons and, and even
the American founders, the the

527
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,680
George Washington, Jefferson,
Franklin, Adams, all of these

528
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:44,280
guys are actually of the blood
of Israel, but they've lost

529
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,840
their identity.
But they, yet, that's why I

530
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:52,760
think that these Anglo-Saxon and
these Old Testament precedents

531
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,880
and the ways that the way they
organize themselves and their

532
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,160
societies spoke to the American
founders and they patterned a

533
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,760
lot of the constitutional
principles of, of our nation

534
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,159
upon these ancient structures.
So that's just another kind of

535
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,480
thing.
I, I almost shared earlier.

536
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,600
I I I thought it was probably
worth mentioning.

537
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,360
Absolutely.
No.

538
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,040
I'm glad you went there.
I didn't do that research.

539
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,840
I just wanted to identify where
they are.

540
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,360
But I'm glad you brought that up
because I think it does add more

541
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,400
credence to that scripture we
read in Genesis where it talks

542
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,280
about Joseph growing over the
wall.

543
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,000
And it'll be a fruitful bow,
right.

544
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:37,639
I, I do think that that we can
find evidences that, that that

545
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:41,880
definitely takes place through,
through the Anglo Saxons and and

546
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:44,639
the, the other names that were
given to him.

547
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,719
It's fascinating stuff.
Thanks, Taylor.

548
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,880
I appreciate that.
I was going to save this part to

549
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,480
the end.
I think that that now that we've

550
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,920
had a little bit of discussion
about kingly government, I, I

551
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,520
want to throw this out here.
There's a quote by Franklin that

552
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,560
says there's a natural, there's
a natural inclinations in

553
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,280
mankind for kingly government.
Why do you think that is?

554
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:11,320
Why do you think there is a
natural inclination towards

555
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:20,890
kingly government?
I think there's probably 2

556
00:35:20,890 --> 00:35:25,480
answers for why we are inclined
toward that or why people as a

557
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,880
whole would be inclined toward
that.

558
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,920
I think the the 1st and probably
the most obvious is that natural

559
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,240
man is inclined to offload the
responsibility to somebody else

560
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,200
and let somebody else make the
decisions for them because it's

561
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,040
easier for them.
But the other thing too is that

562
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:48,800
a dictatorship or a king is a
very effective government.

563
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,560
And so when you have an external
threat, you want a powerful

564
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,680
government.
I think both of those those play

565
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:01,000
hand in hand.
No, I think you're 100% correct.

566
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:08,520
I think look for, for guys who
look, I, I can definitely zone

567
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,320
out with the rest of everybody
else, right?

568
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:14,400
I want to be clear, I'm not
saying I'm, I'm immune to this,

569
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,680
but it does make it easy, right?
And in a weird way, I think

570
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,440
we've done this with the two
party system in America where we

571
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,960
can just say, you know what,
somebody else has that problem

572
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,600
worked out.
They, they, you know, they'll,

573
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,960
they'll fix it.
And it allows us to be

574
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,680
entertained with bread and
circuses.

575
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,160
And so I think it's I think it's
one of those things that that we

576
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,640
constantly have to fight that
part of us who just want to roll

577
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,320
that off to somebody else.
So how do we guard against these

578
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:53,440
inclinations in our own lives?
How do we make sure we don't

579
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:58,680
become susceptible to accepting
the rule of a of a one man or a

580
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:11,990
king?
By being willing to take upon

581
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:14,510
ourselves personal
responsibility by by not

582
00:37:14,510 --> 00:37:15,950
offloading that to somebody
else.

583
00:37:17,950 --> 00:37:21,960
What do they call it?
Extreme ownership. 100% So yeah,

584
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,840
that was a great book.
Did you read that, Tim?

585
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:26,400
Yeah, I did.
Oh, that's a good book.

586
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:35,160
OK IA 100% agree with you.
A lot of times as people who are

587
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:41,680
maybe more in favor of limited
government right, we don't want

588
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,480
to have government trying to
solve every single problem.

589
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,640
That means that we we have to
look at our rights and

590
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,760
understand and, and this, this
will come up again and again

591
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,040
throughout this book as we go
through it.

592
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:02,040
We have to not only look at our
rights, but look at the

593
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,160
responsibility that goes along
with that right.

594
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,120
And if we flex our
responsibility as well as our

595
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,800
rights, we won't need a big
government.

596
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:22,160
One of my favorite presidents,
aside from Washington is, is

597
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,920
somebody that most people kind
of like raise an eyebrow at.

598
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,320
He was labeled a do nothing
president actually, and it was

599
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:36,760
Calvin Coolidge and Coolidge was
was entering office.

600
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,760
I can't remember who it was that
was assassinated before him, but

601
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,320
he gets into office because
somebody the the president was

602
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,440
shot.
He was vice president and as he

603
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:52,680
is taking the oath of office, he
takes office by candlelight.

604
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,400
But when he leaves the White
House, in most American homes,

605
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:02,120
there's now radios and cars.
It was a a fantastic leap

606
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,680
forward.
Now, what makes it even more

607
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:09,600
impressive is that when Coolidge
comes to to power as president,

608
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:14,520
when he's sworn in, America's
starting to go into a really bad

609
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,240
depression.
And they asked Coolidge, what

610
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:21,280
are you going to do?
And he says nothing, I'm going

611
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,320
to leave it alone.
And it got worse for a minute.

612
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,960
It it got way worse for, for a
minute.

613
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,680
But by leaving it alone, he
allowed the market to correct

614
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,200
itself.
And what came out of that was

615
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,600
essentially the roaring 20s.
And there's been some

616
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,880
fascinating, fascinating
research done as of late to

617
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,600
suggest that the depression in
America was called the Great

618
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,720
Depression, but it took us the
longest to come out of it

619
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:51,360
because we kept fiddling with
it.

620
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,640
And it was actually government
intervention that caused the

621
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,280
Great Depression in the 1st
place.

622
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,520
And so there, there's this idea
here, right?

623
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,560
That that if you can just leave
it alone a little bit.

624
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:11,840
Let people do their thing and
and and exercise their rights.

625
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,840
People will figure it out.
The other thing Coolidge did

626
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,440
that I really liked, there was a
horrible flood down in Texas

627
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:25,640
during his administration.
And Coolidge was asked, you

628
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,520
know, are you going to send
federal monies down there?

629
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,520
And Coolidge says no.
I have faith in the American

630
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,120
people that they will do the
right thing.

631
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,680
And he was right.
The rest of Texas and

632
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:41,720
neighboring states came to the
aid of that area in Texas and

633
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:44,480
helped their brothers and
sisters out in that area.

634
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,520
But I think that's because
people in that time, they not

635
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,960
only were familiar with their
rights, they were familiar with

636
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,240
their responsibilities that were
associated with those rights.

637
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,720
Sometimes we, we, we, we like to
yell and jump and scream about

638
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:08,560
our rights when we haven't
bothered initiating what our

639
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,600
duty is in terms of keeping the
responsibility of that right.

640
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,880
So like today, if we look at the
1st Amendment, our right to free

641
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,920
speech, that is fantastic.
We need that.

642
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,320
But what's the responsibility of
free speech?

643
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,280
Does anyone want to want to
venture into those waters?

644
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,320
I think it's to be informed.
I think it's to to make sure

645
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,320
that that we are spending
adequate time familiar,

646
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,160
familiarizing ourselves with
whatever it is we're going to

647
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,800
speak on.
Now, you can speak regardless of

648
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,400
that, but if we're going to
exercise that right, I do

649
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,880
believe there's a responsibility
that goes along with that.

650
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,880
Likewise, if we look at the
Second Amendment, the right to

651
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:04,960
bear arms, I, I think the
responsibility there is that you

652
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,440
are a responsible gun owner,
that you, you have your guns

653
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,360
stored in a safe place and that
you are familiar with your

654
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,960
firearms and know how to use
them.

655
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,360
And so we look at all these
things, all these rights that we

656
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,960
have, right?
But there are corresponding

657
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,760
responsibilities and they'll be
illuminated later in this book.

658
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:30,120
But I, I do think that that is
a, a huge part of the problem

659
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:34,440
that we face today.
Does anyone have anything you'd

660
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,200
like to add on that before we
move on?

661
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:45,640
OK, So what comes out of the
founders research and, and, and,

662
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,400
and the, the constitutional
convention?

663
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,920
And I do want to say that the
founders did borrow from other

664
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,760
sources.
It wasn't just Anglo-Saxon law

665
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,360
and the Bible.
They looked at Greece, they

666
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,040
looked at Rome, they looked and
you know, they looked everywhere

667
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,520
for examples of, of good
government and tried to collect

668
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,640
as much as they can.
And what, what they come up with

669
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:14,400
is a system that is while
certainly you, you can look at

670
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,720
almost every part of the
constitution and say, well,

671
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:20,240
that's really not unique, right?
We we've heard about this in

672
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:25,520
other places, but this is the
first time that a group of men

673
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,840
got together and said, let's
extract all those ideas and see

674
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,360
if we can encapsulate them into
one form of government.

675
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:39,560
And in the book, it's Skousen
kind of, and I love the way he

676
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,880
did this.
He kind of makes a a symbol of

677
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,240
the cut type of government we
got and it's the three headed

678
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:48,680
eagle.
And we're going to go over what

679
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,280
each one of those those symbols
mean in this Crest here.

680
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:59,080
So we'll start here on on the
left side of thing here you see

681
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,040
this wing and Skousen calls this
the problem solving wing.

682
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,760
On the right hand side of
things, the right wing is called

683
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:13,080
the conservation wing.
And then up here you have the

684
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,520
the powers divided up in
America.

685
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,560
You have the executive branch,
which would be president, the

686
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,240
House and the Senate and the
judicial.

687
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,760
So let me ask this question.
If we were to kind of split this

688
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:33,680
eagle down the middle here, how
is this right side kind of the

689
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:39,000
conservation wing of the of of
the federal government, How does

690
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:50,730
the judicial tie into that?
Well, the.

691
00:44:50,730 --> 00:44:53,210
Judicial.
Branch isn't they're, they're

692
00:44:53,210 --> 00:44:55,410
not making laws and they're not
enforcing laws.

693
00:44:55,730 --> 00:44:58,370
So they are the far more
methodical branch.

694
00:44:58,370 --> 00:45:01,360
They're their, their jobs are to
deliberate.

695
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:06,760
Their jobs are to are to.
I don't know what I can say it

696
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,160
better than I already have, but
to but to to judge is to

697
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,280
basically keep what you have and
make sure it's it's well

698
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,440
understood as opposed to
creating something new.

699
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,320
Exactly.
Exactly.

700
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:20,360
I didn't mean to cut you off,
Tim.

701
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:20,800
Go ahead.
Oh.

702
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:21,840
No worries, no worries, I'm
good.

703
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,320
OK, Yeah.
So when a new law gets passed,

704
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,600
the last place it's got to go
through is the Supreme Court,

705
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,880
the judicial wing.
And the judicial wing's whole

706
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,520
responsibility is supposed to
be, is this constitutional

707
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,280
right?
And so you can look at that,

708
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:50,400
that that conservation side of,
of the government as trying to

709
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,440
protect the rights of the
people, trying to make sure that

710
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:59,880
all these laws are going to be
to be copacetic with the

711
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:05,560
Constitution.
Now, I'm going to be honest with

712
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,600
you.
I kind of disagree with scousing

713
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:12,320
here, with putting the Senate up
here now today.

714
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:17,520
I think originally I think it
was supposed to be on that side,

715
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,080
but who can tell me what the
issue would be with the Senate

716
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:28,040
today as opposed to what the
founders originally intended the

717
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,840
Senate to be?
Popular elections.

718
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,440
Yes, yes.
Why is that important?

719
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,240
Was that Justin that said that?
Yeah, yeah.

720
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,800
Why is that important, Justin?
Well, because this, the Senate

721
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,280
originally is intended to
represent the state, the state

722
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,480
government, not the people in
the state necessarily, but the

723
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,480
government of the state.
And that's a kind of a check

724
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,600
against potential overly
progressive ideas that could be

725
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,400
reckless, right?
Somebody's got this great new

726
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,400
idea.
He's his name's Marx.

727
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:04,360
We ought to give this a shot,
right?

728
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,560
And the and the the people might
be in an uproar about something

729
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,440
like that, but the, the state
government should be more

730
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,480
focused on stability.
And they're the ones appointing

731
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,520
the senators.
And so the senators a lot, I

732
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,400
mean, not nearly as much as the
Supreme Court, which are

733
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,160
appointed for life and but are
also appointed, right.

734
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,520
We don't vote for Supreme Court
justices either.

735
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,440
We weren't supposed to vote for
Senate.

736
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,600
We would vote for House.
And then we have this, you know,

737
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,680
complicated system for the
executive.

738
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:38,120
But but yeah, that tends to
create more stability and more

739
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:43,280
long term interest perspective
than you get when it's just,

740
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,720
man, I can't afford a house,
let's vote this guy in.

741
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:55,040
He says he's got a solution.
100% and so so the senators were

742
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,920
essentially appointed by the
governors of each state.

743
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,280
And I can't remember what law it
was that changed that what?

744
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:06,360
But you know, on the surface you
could what which amendment was

745
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,080
that, Taylor?
The 17th Amendment passing 17th.

746
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,720
Thank you.
What it did is it essentially

747
00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:16,400
turned the Senate into the
House, right?

748
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:21,400
And that's, that's not like
there's nothing wrong with with

749
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,760
Congress, with with the House of
Representatives.

750
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:34,440
But if the Senate was able to be
the stop gap between the an

751
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:39,280
encroaching federal government,
it's, it's a healthier check.

752
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,480
And I understand that there's a
knee jerk reaction because we've

753
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,880
been conditioned to think of
America as a democracy rather

754
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:51,440
than a Republic that, well, if
they're democratically elected,

755
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,600
they will, they will absolutely
do a better job of governing.

756
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,840
And I don't think that is
necessarily true.

757
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,840
I would, I'll be honest, I, I
would like to go back to having

758
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,200
senators appointed by the
governor.

759
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:08,720
I think that that it might make
for a cleaner separation as

760
00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:13,320
well.
Likewise, the the that senator

761
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,720
is going to be still be beholden
to the people of his state

762
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,840
because he's going to have to
answer the governor and the

763
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,640
governor answers to the people.
And I do think it would be an

764
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,560
easier way of, of unseating
senators too when they when they

765
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,040
run amok.
So let's go over this left hand

766
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:35,600
side of, of things here real
quick and let's talk about this.

767
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,600
So here we have Congress or the
House, the House of

768
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,000
Representatives, we have the
executive branch.

769
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,600
And this is looked at more as
the problem solving wing.

770
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,520
And I want to get some people's
ideas on why Skousen maybe would

771
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:54,840
have used that as or or likens
that to the problem solving ring

772
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,760
of things.
And Vanessa and Charisse, don't

773
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,320
feel bashful.
Feel free to hop in here anytime

774
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:08,620
you want.
I think you know, you talk about

775
00:50:08,620 --> 00:50:13,280
the problem solving wing, it's
like that's the side of change

776
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,760
where you're looking for
something new or you're looking

777
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,240
to do something different.
The conservation wing White

778
00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:22,160
likes to keep status quo, likes
to keep things stable.

779
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:27,520
And then the problem solving
wing is more dynamic, I think.

780
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,640
And so I think it's kind of like
a duality of nature's and so

781
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,560
they have different qualities
that we need.

782
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,920
It's like flexibility and
strength.

783
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:44,320
It's you need, you can't be too
flexible or you'll fall apart.

784
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,800
You can't be too rigid or
you'll, you'll be stagnant.

785
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:53,320
And so I think it's a very
balanced perspective.

786
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,480
I think you're 100% correct.
That was that was that was

787
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,200
great.
I appreciate that, Vanessa.

788
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,920
No 100%.
I think if either one of these

789
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,400
are out of whack, we're going to
have problems, right.

790
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:12,600
I would dare to say that today
we're probably I well, I don't

791
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,560
think I can just say it.
I think I can say it with it

792
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,480
with some absolute certainty.
This branch of government has

793
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:23,960
become way too powerful.
And what ends up happening is

794
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,680
that things get passed because
this branch over outweighs this

795
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,120
branch here today.
They're not equal anymore is

796
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:37,920
that we tend to get more
progressive ideas, right?

797
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,280
And look, I think we all like
progress.

798
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:45,920
That's not a bad thing.
But I don't when it comes to

799
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:51,600
principles, if, if your
progression is not checked by

800
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,720
making sure it's staying within
the original confines of

801
00:51:55,720 --> 00:52:01,280
protecting human rights,
protecting liberty, those

802
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,200
liberties and rights are going
to get trampled on.

803
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,120
And I think that's what we're
seeing today.

804
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:10,520
But let me say this, if we were
too heavy on the right side of

805
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,160
things, well, now all of a
sudden we're not getting

806
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,200
anything done, we're not
innovating, we're not trying to

807
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,920
find the solutions to problems.
We are just stagnant.

808
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,800
And so both of these things have
to be in play here.

809
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,000
And and Vanessa, I love what you
said and, and Justin kind of

810
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,160
talked about this.
I believe it was our first class

811
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:33,120
when he was talking about
progressives versus

812
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:38,040
conservatives and how Justin
kind of and forget Justin,

813
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,440
correct me if I'm wrong here.
You said you, you kind of

814
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,480
consider yourself more of a
progressive in terms of not

815
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,840
maybe how we use the word today,
but the word in its truest sense

816
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,040
where we were always kind of
looking forward, right?

817
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,160
Right.
Well, I mean, what are we, what

818
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:58,880
we've got, how many, you know,
how long has abortion been

819
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,160
implanted as legal in our
society?

820
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,480
You look at the welfare state,
all this, I mean, I'm from when

821
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,240
I was born, I'm a younger guy,
right?

822
00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:11,200
And so I'm looking at America
now and the stuff that the

823
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,600
liberals got away with is now
become the status quo.

824
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,960
And so I kind of look at that as
I'd say that like that the left

825
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,200
wing kind of got broken and that
middle head is leaning way to

826
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:28,840
the left.
So, but on the other hand, you

827
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:33,200
know, I think I think correctly
the left wing there wouldn't be

828
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,560
the problem solving wing.
I think it would be more fair to

829
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,840
say that's the that's the
progressive wing, right?

830
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,600
But that wrong ideas about that
a lot of times.

831
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,880
And I kind of tend to consider
myself more progressive today

832
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,520
because I'm more focused on
solving problems because we're

833
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,400
we're kind of in a in a Marxist
trap right now.

834
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,440
And I don't want to conserve
that.

835
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:02,160
I want to get away from that.
Absolutely, absolutely.

836
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:07,240
I, I've often compared, you
know, the, the plan that the

837
00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:11,480
founders had put forward with
divided powers and, and whatnot

838
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,000
in kind of like a suspension
bridge.

839
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,760
And if you've ever seen a
suspension bridge, they're,

840
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,200
they're actually kind of really
cool to look at.

841
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,040
And if you can stand back a
ways, if you can gain

842
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:30,000
perspective on, on that bridge
and actually be still for a

843
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,400
moment and just watch that
bridge.

844
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,800
I remember I first saw this,
gosh, it was in the Pacific

845
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,040
Northwest somewhere.
I think it was up, up along the,

846
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,760
the Columbia right there as it
kind of divides Oregon and

847
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,720
Washington.
And there was a suspension

848
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:50,280
bridge and we actually had to go
out in a boat and get some shots

849
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,160
about 1/4 of the way into the
river because we were looking

850
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:58,320
for high water.
So we take a shot on the bank

851
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,480
and then go out.
But we, we anchored and I just

852
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,400
kind of watched the suspension
bridge.

853
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:09,320
And as cars would drive over it,
it would flex, but it never

854
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,360
flexed enough to where you would
if you were driving on it, you

855
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,400
would feel it.
But I thought, man, the balance

856
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,120
that that's got to take, right?
Because if it's too rigid, it's

857
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,600
going to have weight that goes
over the top, that's going to

858
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,680
crack the structure.
If it's too loose, every wind

859
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,800
that comes along is going to
rock it and then start the

860
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,680
process of of momentum taking
over and it's going to rock that

861
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:38,160
bridge and it's going to
eventually snap and collapse.

862
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:43,240
And so I do believe that in
these things, we're looking for

863
00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:47,520
a healthy tension, right?
How do we keep things strong but

864
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,360
yet flexible?
And I think that's exactly what

865
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,120
the founders were going for
here.

866
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:57,480
Is that in this, in the system
of government, it was designed

867
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:03,160
to be strong, yet flexible.
And I think we've lost not only

868
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,840
that strength, but a certain
amount of our flexibility to.

869
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,760
And I think as we look around
today and we see some of the

870
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,600
problems, it's because we have a
lack of that healthy tension.

871
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,560
And so in order to get back to
that, we, I think we do have to

872
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:21,680
look back this time rather than
forward and, and progress this

873
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:27,640
time might be going back and
reinstituting the, the, the

874
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:32,760
original idea there.
Did anyone have anything else

875
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:38,480
they'd like to add to that?
I have a comment.

876
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:45,040
Yeah, it's been interesting in
studying the human body in the

877
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,320
in the field of fascia research
and other things.

878
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,320
There's a model that's been
brought forth that describes the

879
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:55,520
human body as a tensegrity
machine, meaning that we're a

880
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,240
combination of rigid and
flexible.

881
00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:02,120
It's like like a toy that has
wooden dowels connected by

882
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,800
elastics that you kind of squish
it, but then it pops back into

883
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:10,680
its shape.
But I think these principles

884
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,200
exist within our human body,
within our government.

885
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:19,200
I think they're very important
to keep everything healthy,

886
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,280
whether it's our body, whether
it's, you know, the, the nature

887
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:26,440
of female and, and male, it's,
it's why we're commanded to be

888
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,560
married is because it brings
that balance.

889
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:33,440
It's not just one side, it's, it
gives the other perspective.

890
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:37,600
And anyway, it's just very
interesting that it exists on

891
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,760
all the levels and it's what we
need to stay healthy and to stay

892
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,720
adaptable to whatever's going on
in the environment.

893
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,160
Absolutely.
You know, it's, it's also worth

894
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,640
worth noting here that that the
founders were were concerned

895
00:57:55,640 --> 00:58:00,440
enough about the executive
branch having the flexibility

896
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,760
they needed in a national crisis
that they kind of made the

897
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:11,240
Marines the president's
personal, I don't want to say

898
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,440
Army, that's not right.
But the the president can do

899
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,920
things with the Marines for a
short period of time to go to

900
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,800
war.
It takes an act of Congress, but

901
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:25,000
the president as his disposal
always has the opportunity of

902
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,360
dispatching the Marines for a
certain period of time.

903
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,040
Tim, correct me if I'm wrong,
is, is that still the case today

904
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,480
in in the United States?
Do you know you're you're in the

905
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:39,240
Navy, right?
I'm aware of of emergency powers

906
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,080
that the president has across
all branches of the military.

907
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:46,160
I'm not aware of anything unique
about the Marines, but that

908
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:47,880
could just be something I'm not
aware of.

909
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,320
Thanks Tim.
I'm I'm a look it up here real

910
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:55,800
quick.
But yeah, if I'm not mistaken,

911
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,440
they he he can dispatch them for
a certain period of time without

912
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:08,440
Congress declaring war.
While you're down, I'll just

913
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:14,160
ramble a little bit about I
think all branches are pretty,

914
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,760
It's pretty well understood that
the president can activate any

915
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,280
branch for anything that he can
justify as an emergency up to I

916
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,440
think 90 days.
It's for, you know, safety of

917
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,560
our shore, safety of American
interests abroad.

918
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,600
But I don't, I think that's
Army, Navy Marines.

919
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,920
I think that's any branch that
he has that ability to do that

920
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:31,800
with.
And so if there's something

921
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,960
unique about the Marines, I I'd
like to hear it.

922
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,800
Yeah, no, I'm, I'm, I'll, I'll
try to look it up and if I can

923
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,880
find it again, I'll, I'll put it
on there.

924
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,240
Or if I misread it, I'll own up
to that too.

925
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:50,560
And so we do need that
flexibility because if we don't

926
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:51,920
have it, we're, we're going to
snap.

927
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,240
At the same time, we just can't
be blown about by every wind of

928
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,360
political doctrine.
And so that conservative way

929
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:03,600
comes in real hot and heavy.
So that pretty much wraps up

930
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,880
this section.
We've gone for just a little bit

931
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,440
over an hour now and I knew this
one would be a little shorter

932
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,600
because we we covered part of it
last week and didn't get a

933
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:13,800
chance to go all the way
through.

934
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,160
Does anybody have anything else
they'd like to add before we

935
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:33,480
wrap this up?
OK, perfect.

936
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,160
Then with that, I think we'll go
ahead and wrap up for the night.

937
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,400
Taylor, would you mind giving us
the closing prayer?

938
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:50,480
You bet, our Father in Heaven,
we come before Thee tonight to

939
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,440
give Thee great thanks for all
of our blessings.

940
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:57,680
We are grateful for the legacy
that we've inherited from our

941
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,520
founding fathers and those
generations that have come gone

942
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,920
before us.
We ask you to help us to be able

943
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,280
to learn these principles and
let them sink deep into our

944
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:08,760
hearts, into our children's
hearts.

945
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:13,160
Help us to teach them and
prepare them for their

946
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:18,320
generational responsibility.
And please let us preserve these

947
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:22,600
principles.
We know that you hold the

948
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:29,680
destiny of nations in thy hands
and we don't have the control

949
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:36,880
that that it would take to be
able to make great macro level

950
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,640
changes.
But will you ask You to help us

951
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:43,440
and bless us and prepare us for
that we can set our own homes in

952
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:47,000
order?
And that we can teach our

953
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:54,880
children and use our influence
to lift and elevate and educate

954
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:59,240
and inspire those around us and
our communities that we can

955
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:07,080
instill these principles deeply
into into Thy gospel and into

956
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:12,840
our communities and that will
one day be able to establish Thy

957
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:19,200
Zion upon the earth.
And we pray for those who are in

958
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:27,400
power that they can have Thy
spirit and yield to their better

959
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:32,200
natures and receive good counsel
and make good decisions.

960
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:41,280
And we thank thee for this class
and the opportunity to come

961
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:45,840
together and discuss these ideas
and seek to better understand

962
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,080
them and, and learn from one
another.

963
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:53,640
And we love you very much,
Father, and pray for all those

964
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,960
who are sicker and in need at
this time, and that they can

965
01:02:55,960 --> 01:03:00,080
recover and have what they stand
in need of, and that those who

966
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:01,520
are in mourning can be
comforted.

967
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,960
And we say these things humbly
and gratefully, in the name of

968
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:12,720
thy Son, Jesus Christ, Amen.
Thanks, Taylor.

969
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,800
I appreciate it.
All right, everybody, We'll see

970
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:18,480
you next week.
Thanks, Dave.

971
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,200
See you guys.
See y'all.

972
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:22,640
Thanks, Dave.