May 9, 2026

Episode #234: The Hidden Revelations Series: An Overview W/Ben Shaffer

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Transcript

On this episode we are going to kick off a new series inwhich I have different guests on to cover the unpublished revelations. Now if you want these revelations you can pick up a copy of the restored version of the scriptures that Drew Briney put forward last year, because they have a lotof them in there. On this episode Ben Shaffer and I sit down and talk about a few of those revelations in an overview to kind of set the table for what is to come. We spend some time talking about the 1886 revelation, and three more fromJohn Taylor & Wilford Woodruff. Now this series won’t be released back-to-back as there are a lot of them and there are other topics that need to be covered. So, this series will take us a while to get through. But if you are a person who has always sought after more revelation than this series and certainly this episode is going to be right up your alley.

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And shape.
Back again, bro.

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Yeah, good to be here.
I'm excited to talk about

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Revelation today.
I am too, you know, and look,

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late last year I had drew back
on the podcast right before, you

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know, we had the pre-order that
he had the pre-order sales on

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these things.
The pre-order sales for the new

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restored version of the triple.
Safety.

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You got the green copy, huh?
Yeah, I just like the color

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green.
I I just, I went black, right?

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I just feel like, you know,
solid, solid black cover, right?

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Nothing fancy, but I get it.
But no, I mean, I, I start going

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through them right?
And like the first place I went,

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right was straight back to those
revelations because I'm not

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sure.
Like, I know I've read, I've

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read the LDS edition.
I want to find out what's

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different, what's more, right?
So that's the first place you

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want to look.
And see, right.

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And, and the other thing is
there is something different

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about holding them inside of a
book that has scripture paper

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right there.
There's something that just sets

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the tone for that.
That's a little bit different

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than reading them at, say, out
of a scholarly manuscript or

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something like that.
Right.

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Or a pamphlet or a or a website.
Yeah, I can look it up.

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But having it in my scriptures,
it's like just feel so much more

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complete, you know what I mean?
I've got, I've got my scriptures

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right here.
And I don't have to look at 100

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different resources just to
figure out what's missing or

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where something is.
It's all right here, Yeah.

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Absolutely, absolutely.
And so as, as I was thumbing

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through those and got excited,
I'm like, you know what I need

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to do?
I need to do a series on like

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these revelations that are
lesser known and, and, you know,

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really parse it out and let
people hear the voice of the

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Lord come through on these
things because it really does.

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And so this is going to be the
first of a series.

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And I don't think this is going
to be the kind of series where

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it's like boom, boom, boom, one
week right after another.

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I think these will be sprinkled
throughout.

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And so, but this first one, man,
we're going to go over the four

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hidden revelations, the four big
ones, the.

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One, and of course, The funny
thing is, is now that I'm

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reading them out of the restored
version, there's even bigger

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ones really.
But these four, really, I wanted

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to talk about the four hidden
revelations, specifically those

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four, because that really sets
the historical stage for why

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isn't this already in there?
Why isn't it in my LLDS edition?

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Well, the history as to why is
fascinating and I think it helps

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us understand where the
divergent comes from and or why

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some things are missing.
So yeah, starting with those

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four, each one has a very
powerful reason for why it was

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the revelation was given, what
it means and why it's hidden,

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and what does it mean that it's
hidden.

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Yeah.
Right the the most obvious

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answer to that is what do you
mean by hidden revelations?

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Well, you mean the church hid
them from the membership?

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Well yes, but they're hidden
because they contain hidden

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knowledge.
They contain deeper concepts

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than a lot of people are ready
for.

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The church couldn't have hidden
them if the membership didn't

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want them hidden, right?
If the membership hadn't turned

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from them.
And I think that there's a

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reason that I have some sympathy
for why people leave certain

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revelations hidden in their own
life.

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You know, someone said, Gee, I
can't find the TV remote.

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I couldn't find the TV remote
for days and days and days.

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And then I found out it was
under my scriptures, right?

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Well, shoot, you should have
been picking those up.

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Every revelation is a hidden
revelation until you receive it

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for yourself, till you learn it
right.

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And so, so often I think as I
talked about these hidden

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revelations, I want us to think
what's hidden in my life because

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are these truths that I'm not
ready to accept.

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Yeah.
Because we're always hiding our

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own eyes.
We're hiding our own eyes from

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revelations that we're not
ready.

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For 100 percent, 100%.
That's such a good point, right?

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Because just 'cause they're out
there doesn't mean that we

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necessarily want them, right?
I go back to when I first became

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a Mormon.
I remember getting up off my

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knees.
This was just into the LDS

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church thinking I don't want to
be a Mormon, right?

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Mormons are weird.
They believe weird things.

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I don't want to do this, but
none the less, I knew what I had

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known at that point, and I
didn't have a choice.

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Now, likewise with these
revelations, if there's

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something in there that you
don't like, chances are that's

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the one you need to read first,
right?

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Because it, it's, it's going to
hurt a little bit, but, but it's

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going to hurt the way it hurts
when you go to the gym, right?

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It's right.
If this is good sacrifice, a

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good sacrifice is going to make
you grow.

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It's going to give you something
of great value, even if it's

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hard to.
Yes, it's hard to do.

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Yes.
And look, you know, I, I, I tell

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people this a lot when when they
ask about these sorts of things,

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I'm like, look, just because you
read it and you start to

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internalize it doesn't mean that
you're expected to have it

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mastered at that moment, right?
This is all a process.

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So don't be afraid of that.
Don't shy away from that

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discomfort.
That discomfort is usually a

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sign of growth, and that's a
good thing.

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And it's a very good thing.
I mean, I think that that can be

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abused.
We've had, I think it's worth

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mentioning that in the Mormon
fundamentalist context, there

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will be false teachers, false
leaders, false prophets who will

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tell you, oh, this discomfort
you're having is a good

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discomfort of you learning to
sacrifice.

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And then it turns out that it's
serving their own ends.

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They're making you sacrifice to
the fault, a false God.

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And then they will take
advantage of that.

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But it is true that true
sacrifice when you even when

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you're putting your faith in the
right place, it's still

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sacrifice.
It's still hard.

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And I think that most, a lot of
Mormons have lost sight of that.

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You know, in that context, a lot
of LDS people think that they

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can turn away from certain
things or not have to know them.

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And then it won't be binding on,
oh, I'll be saved in my

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ignorance.
People think, no, a man has

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saved no faster than he gains
knowledge, said the Prophet

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Joseph Smith.
And so if, if you're talking

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about sacrifice to the right
God, yeah, it's, it's going to

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be painful, it's going to be
difficult, but it's going to be

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worth it.
And it's important to make that

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sacrifice. 100% you know, I it
it it's it rings true to

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something I once heard a man say
that I really like the saying,

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which is the truth will
absolutely set you free, but

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it's going to make you miserable
1st and.

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Right There was a there's a
little thing someone said, you

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know, lies are so comfortable
because they're squishy.

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They can do anything you want
them to be.

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They can.
You can mold them to whatever

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comfortable worldview you have,
and lies will always be

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comfortable.
The truth, however, doesn't

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bend.
It doesn't change.

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You have to accommodate it, and
that makes it hard sometimes and

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pokey and difficult to embrace.
But it's worth embracing because

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it will change you to match it.
Yes, yes, truth.

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Truth has no agenda.
It exists simply because it's

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true.
And because it has no agenda, it

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also doesn't care how you feel,
right?

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It doesn't care about, you know,
perceptions or any of those

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other things.
Now, those are all things that

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we have to contend with this
people.

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And I will say this that it gets
easier, but you, you got you got

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to do the hard thing first.
You got to do the first hard

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thing, which is up the weight
and then this.

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Is the this is the first point I
want to make before we get into

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hidden revelations?
Is are they hidden from our

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sight because we are not ready
to receive them?

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Because we don't want to accept?
That's the first question.

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The second question that I think
that we have to ask ourselves

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when we're looking for hidden
revelations is are we, are we

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willing to embrace them in such
a way that they truly become

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known to us?
And what will that require of

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us?
Section 132, for example, is a

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hidden revelation, even though
it's published in everyone's

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Doctrine Covenants because it
says those who will receive the

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this law must abide it.
Well, how many people really

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receive it just because it's
printed in their Doctrine

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Covenants?
Now in order to truly receive a

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hidden revelation, you have to
receive it for yourself, the

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confirmation of the spirit.
You know, I really think that

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one of the reasons why it's so
hard to accept revelation is

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because we learn line upon line,
precept upon precept, the milk

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before the meat.
And there's this saying along

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those same lines from Eastern
religion that only when the

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student is ready does the master
appear.

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And I think that a lot of people
have to, a lot of us as, as LDS

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people, we have to recognize
that if what we really believe

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is all truth, if our religion
encompasses all truth, then that

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means we're probably not ready
for all of it all at once.

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We have to learn to accept
things line upon line, precept

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upon precept.
So if somebody's saying I love

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all this meaty doctrine, you
have to accept it now and you

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don't see how it fits and you're
not ready for it, I think that

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it is OK to say I don't say that
fits in yet.

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I'm not ready for it.
What's not OK is to assume that

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we are going to receive all the
blessings without all the

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obedience.
You have to instead say I'm

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still progressing.
I might not be ready for that

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yet.
I might not accept this or that

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yet.
I might want to put that on the

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shelf or set it aside, but are
you setting it aside because

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you're not accepting the fact
that you need progress and that

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you're too comfortable where you
are?

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Or are you willing to accept
that there are blessings that

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you will not receive in less you
embrace further light and

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knowledge?
So this is the second thing that

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I want us to ask about each of
these things, which is the

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question of truth.
This is what it was.

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The question of truth is this.
If the truth does not change and

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we receive and when we receive
any blessing from God is by

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obedience to the law upon which
that blessing is predicated, as

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it says in Doctrine Covenant
section 130.

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We have to approach these and
all revelations from a place of

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saying whether I it's hidden to
me right now or I can't accept

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it yet.
Yes, that's understandable.

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But you will not receive the
blessing until you fulfill a

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truth.
Because again, a truth, a truth

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isn't something that depends
upon our opinions.

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It doesn't depend upon our
preferences.

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It doesn't depend upon our
willingness or or preparedness

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to accept.
A truth is independent in that

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sphere in which it is placed.
And as Joseph Smith said, we're

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saved no faster than we gain
knowledge.

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And that truth is independent in
that sphere which is placed.

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What he's saying is, is there
might be many principles we

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don't know.
It doesn't mean they're not

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operating on us.
OK thing with this in terms of

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medical science, it even if we
don't know if we've been exposed

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to a particular pathogen, our
our opinion about it doesn't

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matter.
What matters is the facts.

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Are we going to have the health
to fight off this infection?

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Are we, do we have the right
environment for this?

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Do we have the right environment
for that?

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It doesn't matter if we didn't
know.

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And so I think sometimes people
think when it comes to spiritual

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things that these rules are
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The rules of truth are always
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for anybody else.
Just because someone was

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ignorant of the truth to say
during the Black Death and they

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didn't know what was causing
this, that didn't make the Black

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Death any or less real.
They were still going to live or

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die depending on whether or not
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And the fact that they did not
understand, they did not

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understand what was causing it
only made them more vulnerable

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to losing that blessing of life
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It's the same thing for us right
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And so even though the first
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What do we need to do to accept
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Why is it out there?
The second thing we need to

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recognize is the mere fact that
these weren't canonized or were

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canonized and then decanonized
or anything else like that is

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that people want to say, do I
have to accept it?

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Do I need to accept these
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Do I need to accept this meat
I'm not ready for?

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The answer is both yes and no.
The truth will operate

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regardless of your feelings.
The truth of the blessing that

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comes from obedience, the curse
that comes from disobedience, is

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upon all mankind.
Whether they know the truth or

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not, whether they accept or not,
whether they reject it or not.

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Those truths are going to come
and judgement will be just.

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But part of the justice of that
judgement is the mercy that we

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have the opportunity to learn
line upon line.

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But don't think that you can
reject this or any revelation of

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God and be forever justified in
burying your head in the sand.

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Because the truth is the truth.
That is such a great point.

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And you know, I, I had talked to
people last year when the 1886

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revelation was, was acknowledged
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Right.
And that was such a powerful

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moment.
Right.

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Yeah, that was a judge.
To actually just say, look, it's

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a revelation to John Taylor.
It actually does exist.

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And the most shocking thing to
me that I'm I'm going to want to

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get into, because this is one of
the four hidden revelations, is

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that along with it came some
very incriminating letters from

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people like J Reuben Clark,
where J Reuben Clark literally

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has a letter right next to that
document from, from John Taylor

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that says we have to lie about
this. 86 It never let it come

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up.
Again, lie about this.

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We're please the the
instructions are hide this

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envelope, hide this letter.
We're going to lie about this.

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We have to keep this hidden.
It's too explosive.

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Yep.
You know, I was in Hans Mill

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when when I got the phone call
on that.

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Now I won't say from who I got
it from, but I got I was in Hans

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Mill.
I'm like, are are you kidding?

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And they're like, Nope, tomorrow
watch and I'm like, OK, here we

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go.
Right.

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So I woke up the next morning.
Sure enough, there it was.

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But I remember when it came out,
the knee jerk reaction to those

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who didn't like the revelation
was, well, we never voted on it

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so it doesn't.
Matter.

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And this is saying we didn't
vote on it.

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It's not binding on us, right?
Right.

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But what does that mean?
Like, look, they get to vote on

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what they will accept or what
they won't accept.

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They don't get to vote on what
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What is the?
Truth, right?

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Right.
And understanding that

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distinction, I think is that
that's why this is so important

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to understand that there's a big
distinction here.

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Yeah, You, you personally, you
can accept or reject this, but

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understand the consequences of
that.

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You will not get the blessing if
you reject the blessing, you

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will fall under the curse.
If you, if you're ignorant of

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the truth, you, you're, you're
under danger.

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At the same time, I understand
that these things are hard and

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we have to live in line upon
line.

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And if you're like, look, this
doesn't fit.

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This doesn't fit in architecture
of my faith, that's one thing.

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And I get that, but are you
progressing to the point where

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eventually it will, or are you
saying, oh, I'm comfortable

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here?
Like I was saying about

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comfortable lies and hard
truths?

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You see, I'm comfortable here.
The lie that most people will be

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embracing is I will get all the
blessings anyway.

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Right, right, right.
I, I tended to look at it like,

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OK, you can vote if you want it
in your Canon or not, or if you

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accept it.
But unless you're willing to

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call John Taylor a liar and said
he didn't receive a revelation,

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he was deceived, it's still a
revelation.

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And you have to be willing to
live with that and what that

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means and all of its subsequent,
oh, trials that come along with

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it.
You have to understand that it

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stands independent of what you
want, of what your feelings are.

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This happened.
And how?

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And I think that that's the
dangers that people will say,

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well, the church didn't accept
it.

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We didn't vote on it, therefore
it's not binding on us.

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And I'm like, well, yes and no.
Yes, you don't have to live

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this.
Yes, you don't have to accept

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this.
But if you don't, you can't get

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the blessing associated with it.
It the blessing is it is, you

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know, it's dependent upon the
law upon which is predicated.

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You just don't get the blessing
I'm not trying to make and, and

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God doesn't make us accept
anything.

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He doesn't say you have to be
blessed.

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He says, you know, I, I, I the
Lord, you know, I, I command and

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I revoke and yet then the then
men receive not the blessing.

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And that's the formula that I
think a lot of people miss.

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They think it's so long as I'm
checking the boxes that I

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accepted I had to check the
boxes of, then I'll get all the

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blessings.
I will sit down with Abraham,

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Isaac, and Jacob.
I will become a God in heaven.

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You certainly will receive the
blessing for every commandment

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you keep.
Absolutely, and that is a good

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thing.
I'm not saying it's all or

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nothing.
I'm not saying this should be

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black and white.
Heaven is in black and white.

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This is why there's different
degrees of glory and all kinds

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of things.
But if you want the blessing,

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you have to obey the law upon
which is predicated, which means

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you cannot reject any such
commandment and expects to

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receive that blessing.
Yeah, I, I was going to say if

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if you actually put that
argument in kind of today's

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terms, if you will, or layman's
terms, it's this.

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What you're basically saying is
that God gives a revelation and

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then we choose not to accept it.
And God's like, well, I guess

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that wasn't true.
I guess what I said wasn't,

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wasn't binding after all.
It's kind of a silly a silly

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prospect.
That's a silly prospect, right?

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It because it denies something
that we know is true about

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everything else in life.
If someone says, oh, I don't

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believe in germs, that doesn't
mean germs don't affect them,

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right?
Right, right, right.

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Absolutely.
Yeah, it Yeah, No, the germs

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will have an effect.
Sorry.

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Effects, whether you believe in
them or not, right?

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Like, right, But I didn't vote
for that.

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Look, I, I know that you didn't
vote for that, and I know that

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you don't believe in washing
your hands, but the effects are

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going to happen one way or the
other, right?

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Like you want the blessing of
avoiding the germs.

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You got to learn how to avoid
the germs, you know.

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Right, right.
Science.

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Science tells me if I pile a
bunch of pizza in my pie hole,

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I'm going to get fat.
You're going to get fatter.

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I didn't.
It's a fact.

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I did.
I did not vote for that Ben, but

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damn it, I can attest that's.
The way it is, that is the way

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it is, whether we like it or
not.

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You know, this is the way.
I want to read you something

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Bruce R Mcconkey said about
this.

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And it's funny because he was
talking to the the RLDS at the

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time.
This is in 1976.

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And he gave a talk called the
Common Consent of the Church

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about this question of what do
we accept?

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What don't we accept?
And he was saying to a bunch of

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RLDS people that their Doctrine
Covenants was deficient because

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it had removed so many of the
revelations accepted by Joseph

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Smith.
Now, the same argument applies

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to anybody who rejects the
revelation, but I do.

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But you know, for context,
that's what Bruce Arm and

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Conquer was talking.
He wasn't necessarily talking

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about the four hidden
revelations, but it's this, this

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principle is true.
And and Elder Bruce Arm and

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Conquer was right when he said
this.

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He says men have their agency,
of course, and they can accept

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or reject any truth of which
they have knowledge, but they

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cannot change the truth or its
effects upon men as individuals

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who are in groups.
Men may reject the blessings

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that would have come by
obedience, but for the rejection

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they are damned.
All the revelations of God are

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binding, whether the Church
accepts them by vote or not.

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If they are rejected by vote or
otherwise, those so acting only

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cut themselves off from the
promised blessings.

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It's.
Kind of like the pot calling the

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kettle black.
Well, yeah, I know that this is

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one of the things that's hard
about quoting people like Bruce

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R Mcconkey is that he had one
foot on the ship and 1 foot on

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shore, and the ship left the
harbor and he fell in to the

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drink.
He was trying to have his K

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community, too, and then defend
the church and hold on to the

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mainstream Elias Church.
Well, at the same time he had

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beliefs that were highly
incompatible with the direction

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the church was headed, so.
Sure, sure.

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And look to to.
And anyways, I'm going to bear a

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testimony.
Was speaking prophetically when

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he said that.
At least that is a true

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principle.
Right.

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That is, that is a true
principle.

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You are right.
All right.

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OK, that's enough.
We won't we won't do that

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anymore.
No more beating up on Pro or

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Bruce R.
All right, well if we're not

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beating up on Bruce, I guess we
better dive in and find out.

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What are these 4 hidden
revelations?

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Why were they hidden?
So the first of the the four

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hidden revelations are two
revelations that were revealed

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to Wilfred Woodruff and two that
were given to John Taylor.

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Now, if you look at the 4 hidden
revelations, there's a bunch of

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places online where you can read
them.

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But the most handy place, of
course, is the new restored

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version, right?
These ones shameless plug for

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Drew.
Shameless plug, buy one of

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these, right?
OK.

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And you will find that the first
of the four hidden revelations

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is listed as Wilfred Woodruff #4
in the restored version Wilfred

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Woodruff section #4 It's also
found in various pamphlets.

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The four hidden revelations, the
identity of the Doctrine

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Covenants.
This was supposed to be Man,

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that's really bleached out.
You can't hardly see the words

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anyway.
The four hidden, the agenda of

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the rock and covenants, all
these things are places where

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this has been.
Because these are really

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important ones that get quoted
all the time.

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But the first one is Wilfred
Woodruff #4 in the the stored

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version.
And in that it's quite a long

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revelation.
There's a lot of good stuff in

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here, all right.
But it was given to Wilfred

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Woodruff before he was president
of church in 1880.

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And it's interesting because of
the context.

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This is also one of the reasons
why it was hidden.

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He was in hiding.
He was running from the

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Marshalls who were going to
incarcerate him.

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So, you know, it's about 50
verses long, depending on how

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you cut it up.
And it is a comfort to Wilford

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Woodruff while he is on the run,
while he's in hiding.

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And so he he's asking the Lord,
what should we do about all of

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this here?
We've tried so hard to preach

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your word and gather the Saints.
And now we're in this terrible

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situation.
Well, interestingly enough,

445
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,000
along with our whole voting
thing that we just talked about

446
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,520
is we're in the Doctrine
Covenants.

447
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,480
Are we given instructions about
voting by the communists of the

448
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,560
church to accept new revelations
as part of our Canon or not?

449
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,960
Turns out it's not in there,
it's in this.

450
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,680
HALL, OH.
Interesting canonization

451
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,200
procedures are actually in this
one that has been rejected from

452
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,840
the cannon.
Yeah, I was going to say, let me

453
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,000
sum this up.
Let me just see if I got my mind

454
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,120
wrapped around this.
This is like the epitome of

455
00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:26,960
ironic, right?
It's like where do we get the

456
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:31,400
the the instruction on where to
vote something in his cannon or

457
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,160
not from one of the revelations
that weren't voted on to be put

458
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:40,360
in as cannon right.
So if that is absent, shouldn't

459
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,280
you just accept all revelation
then?

460
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,000
Well, sure in your cannon.
I mean, I'm.

461
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,000
Just it's not a lawyer.
Ben but.

462
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,960
Right now, again, I don't think
the Lord is saying we get to

463
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,960
reject revelation in this
section either in this

464
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,760
revelation.
But yeah, isn't that, isn't that

465
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,880
odd?
So technically, if there's no,

466
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,560
if there's no procedure for
voting, then.

467
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:12,200
But yes, it is in this section
toward the end of this Wolford

468
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:17,320
Woodruff Section 5, it actually
talks about.

469
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,480
And whenever any one of you
receives the word of the Lord,

470
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,680
let it be written and presented
in your counsels and whatever by

471
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,520
united consent you deem wisdom
to be presented to the people,

472
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,520
that then be presented by the
President, my servant, John

473
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,120
Taylor, as the word of the Lord.
In this way you'll uphold him

474
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:35,920
and strengthen his hands, that
all the burden will not lie upon

475
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:41,200
one man.
In other words, this is how you

476
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,160
do it.
The revelation gets received.

477
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:45,120
It gets passed up through the
councils of the church.

478
00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:50,680
The councils of the church,
therefore vote on it, accept it,

479
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,840
present it to the people.
That's how it gets canonized.

480
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,280
And wouldn't you know it?
Yeah, if that procedure is is

481
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:03,040
not being canonized, then maybe
you have to, it's a good

482
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,320
argument.
Maybe you have to accept all of

483
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:05,800
them.
Anyway, Let's see here.

484
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,200
In the restored version, it has
74 verses.

485
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:16,480
And so that would really be the
section that's verse 66 through

486
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:21,240
73 is what I just is what I just
read, right?

487
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,080
So it's in that section, it's in
that paragraph.

488
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,600
So the other thing though,
that's tricky, why was this

489
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,720
rejected?
It was accepted.

490
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,160
It was this revelation was
presented to the car of the 12

491
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,280
apostles.
This revelation was accepted by

492
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,840
the car of the 12 in the First
Presidency as the word of the

493
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,520
Lord.
And it was published originally

494
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,000
by the church and thereby
presented to the church for

495
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,800
their acceptance.
So essentially, this first of

496
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,440
the four hidden revelations was
basically canonized in about

497
00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:00,760
1884.
But what then happened?

498
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:07,800
The Edmunds Tucker act got much
harsher and everyone went back

499
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,680
and everyone was still in
hiding, right?

500
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,840
And by the time everyone came
back from being in hiding,

501
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:18,680
really it was the manifesto that
ended this period of the Mormon

502
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,040
underground.
So they're coming out of hiding

503
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,760
and saying, OK, we're no longer,
we're no longer just on the run.

504
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,800
Maybe we can start printing
church publications again.

505
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,600
Maybe we can start holding all
of our conferences and our

506
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,160
meetings and having the
hierarchy of the church actually

507
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,600
function again instead of
everyone being running all over

508
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:41,040
the country and hiding.
Well, then comes the formal

509
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,880
bureaucratic side of things of
publishing this in the Doctrine

510
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,960
Covenants.
Well, by then they'd already

511
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:51,600
done the manifesto.
It's very, very hard to to

512
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:56,240
canonize something that you have
rejected as a people, right?

513
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,760
And so that's one of the reasons
why this basically canonized

514
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:05,200
revelation doesn't get published
broadly after that.

515
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,720
The other problem, of course, is
he talks a lot about setting

516
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:14,680
down destruction and judgments
upon the wicked and judgments

517
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,520
upon the church.
If the church rejects plural

518
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,560
marriage in this revelation, in
much harder for people in the

519
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,520
1890s to say, Oh yeah, let's
canonize that.

520
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:30,320
That will formally require us to
acknowledge our own sin as a

521
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,240
people in rejecting these
principles.

522
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,920
Right.
So I'm I'm going to turn verse

523
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,680
30 in the addendum because I'm
more familiar with my

524
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,640
versification than the one
that's in the restored version.

525
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,560
Verse 30 in the addendum says
judgments will begin upon my

526
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,240
house, and from thence will they
go forth unto the world that the

527
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,920
wicked cannot escape.
In other words, the first

528
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,840
judgments are to be poured out
upon the church.

529
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:59,760
If the church rejects the
fullness of the gospel, and then

530
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,160
only secondarily to the rest of
the wicked, well, that's a hard

531
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,880
truth that people don't want to
hear.

532
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,400
The people of the Church wanted
to hear judgments upon our

533
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,680
enemies, sure, but they didn't
want to hear judgments upon

534
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,120
themselves.
Right.

535
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,440
And you know, that's so that
these are hard, hard truths.

536
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:22,520
Now, essentially this idea that
judgement goes down upon the

537
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,160
church first is already in
several other places in

538
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,040
Scriptures as well.
But it's still a hard thing to

539
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,880
to feel comfortable with, right?
The judge fascinating on the

540
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,880
Lord's house.
Yeah, You know, there's a couple

541
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,880
things there.
One is it's fascinating that it

542
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,280
was, it was essentially
canonized, right?

543
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,800
Not essentially it was canonized
and it doesn't sound like there

544
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,440
was a decanonization process.
Instead it they just stopped

545
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,240
publishing it right We just
right.

546
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,160
Well, and actually, that's the
same thing with the doctrine

547
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,440
portion of the Doctrine
Covenants that we're excited to

548
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,040
have in the restored version
here is that, oh, look, the

549
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,480
Lectures on Faith, they're back
in here.

550
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,840
How were they decanonized?
They weren't ever decanonized.

551
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,120
We just stopped printing them,
that's all.

552
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,720
Right, right.
And so there's no sort of

553
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,360
decommission or anything on
this.

554
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,400
So this one is actually like,
even if you use the standard of

555
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,440
being voted on and canonized,
it's still a force.

556
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,160
You just don't have any record
of it at the moment.

557
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,680
Right, well, and and let me read
you verse 35 from the addendum

558
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:27,360
version as well.
He says.

559
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,560
My people shall not be hindered
in the building of my temples

560
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,160
and My holy name if they'll
hearken to my voice and do as I

561
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,080
command them right.
The Lord was was promising

562
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,840
Wilfred Woodruff at the time,
and what a great comfort it must

563
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,880
have been to him.
And yet it didn't turn out that

564
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,680
way.
Lord was saying that he would

565
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:47,360
fight our battles right.
He he even commands the 12 to go

566
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,040
into their secret chambers and
wash their feet.

567
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,680
This is the ordinance of dusting
of feet against the leaders of

568
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,560
the nation of the United States
of America in open defiance of

569
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,160
them.
And that if they would do that

570
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,320
and then, but there's a lot of
ifs in this kind of prophecy,

571
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,520
right?
If the people would stand firm

572
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,680
in their testimony, if the
apostles would would wash their

573
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:14,520
feet against the nation, if
everybody would essentially

574
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,960
stand up for what was right,
then the Lord himself would

575
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:24,560
fight their battles.
And that is a glorious and

576
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:31,320
important thing.
And yet they didn't do it.

577
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:33,920
I'm sorry the church didn't do
it.

578
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,800
And so when I say that when you
reject a blessing you, when you

579
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,240
reject A revelation, you reject
the blessing associated with it,

580
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,240
I'm sorry.
This also fits.

581
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,840
I now I don't bring this
condemnation to Wilfred

582
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:46,760
Woodruff.
I know a lot of more

583
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,600
fundamentalists would.
I think Wilfred Woodruff did as

584
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,080
he was commanded and that he
washed his skirts of the blood

585
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,160
and sins of his generation.
I think he did what was right,

586
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,600
but the church ever demanded
more.

587
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,120
Right.
Ever demanded more concessions

588
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:11,120
to the Gentiles?
And so, you know, he says he's,

589
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,400
he's giving them this
opportunity that if they will

590
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,320
obey, they will receive the
blessing.

591
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,880
But they didn't obey and they
didn't receive the blessing.

592
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,200
And therefore it's hard to want
to canonize it because it's a

593
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,000
reminder of our disobedience as
a people.

594
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,080
Maybe not individually.
Again, I think many individual

595
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,640
people are still still have and
still do receive their

596
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:43,280
exultation.
But the Church as a people would

597
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,320
be hindered.
The Church as a people didn't

598
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,480
fill it, fulfill this
commandment and thereby thereby

599
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,720
they brought upon themselves the
curse of further judgments and

600
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,360
further, further wickedness.
Now there's, there's another

601
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,560
thing in here.
I I definitely need to, I

602
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,680
definitely need to read because
it's going to lead us into the

603
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,560
next two sections, which are the
two sections from John Taylor.

604
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,120
The Lord told Wolford Woodruff,
I've taken many of the apostles

605
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,720
unto myself for I take whom I
will take and preserve a life of

606
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,880
my own preserve according to the
council of my own will.

607
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,240
OK.
And then he says in the verse

608
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,720
before verse 41 in the addendum
version, he says, I the Lord

609
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,040
have raised up unto you, my
servant John Taylor, to preside

610
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,040
over you and be the lawgiver
under my church.

611
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,120
He has mingled his blood with
that of the martyred prophets.

612
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,800
Nevertheless, while I have taken
my servants just from having

613
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,040
myself, I preserve my servant
John Taylor for a wise purpose

614
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,720
in me.
So he's giving a prophecy about

615
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,600
some more prophecies, which is
that John Taylor wasn't just

616
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,080
some benchwarmer.
He was preserved.

617
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,160
He was a twice martyred prophet.
He was martyred in Carthage, but

618
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,480
delivered by God for a wise
purpose in him.

619
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,320
Both Joseph and Hiram received 4
balls before they fell, before

620
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,120
they were, before they died,
right?

621
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,720
And then Joseph was shot again
in a savage manner after he was

622
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,480
dead.
So he, I just received 5-5

623
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,560
shots, but they both took four
shots.

624
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:11,800
I think there's a pattern in
this, right?

625
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,120
So Hiram was shot 4 times,
Joseph was shot 4 times, and

626
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,600
John Taylor was shot 4 times.
Really.

627
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,679
And and Willard Richards escaped
without even a hole in his robe

628
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,440
and was the only one wearing the
garment of the holy priesthood.

629
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,920
Well, and look.
And when they say not a hole in

630
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,320
his robe, he did get like his
ear grazed or something, you

631
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,440
know, something very Trumpy and
that.

632
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,400
But anyway, he got he got a
little cut.

633
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,239
He got a little cut.
But if he escaped without a hole

634
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,000
in his robe.
But it's interesting that each

635
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,639
received 44 balls.
And the Lord even says, I, I

636
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:48,560
take whom I will take, and I
preserve whom I'll preserve.

637
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,040
And I preserve John Taylor from
his martyrdom for wise purposes.

638
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,440
And what was that wise purpose?
Well, we're going to find out

639
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,240
about Prophet Seer and revelator
John Taylor and the work he did.

640
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,760
Because I'm sorry, but the LDS
Church has buried this wise

641
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,840
purpose.
They've pretended that John

642
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,200
Taylor was just a benchwarmer,
and they've rejected all of his

643
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,000
sections of the Doctrine
Covenants, all of his

644
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:15,760
revelations.
So the next one, the next of the

645
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,240
four hidden revelations, is John
Taylor #5 in the restored

646
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:24,920
version.
This is interesting because John

647
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:30,560
Taylor Section 5 looks a little
bit more custodial.

648
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,320
I guess it's about
qualifications for different

649
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,560
offices in the priesthood,
things like that.

650
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:41,720
But it also turns out This is
why it was rejected.

651
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,200
This is why he gets in trouble.
So it says.

652
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,480
Thus saith the Lord of the 12
and the priest and the people of

653
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,160
my church.
Let my servants George Teasdale

654
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,480
and Hebrew Grant be appointed to
fill the vacancies in the 12

655
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,680
that you may be fully organized
and repaired for your laborers

656
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,800
developing upon you, for you
have a great work to perform.

657
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,800
And then proceed.
Proceed to fill up the

658
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,920
presenting from 70s and assist
our guys in the bottom of

659
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,360
priesthood.
Who are your Co laborers in the

660
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,640
ministry.
You may appoint Seymour B Young

661
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,920
to fill up the vacancy.
The presiding from the 70s if he

662
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,080
will conform to my law.
And then here's the important

663
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,040
verse for it does not meet.
The men who will not abide my

664
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,720
law shall preside over my
priesthood.

665
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,080
Well, what law was it?
I'm sure it was just.

666
00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:25,680
Three people had to fulfill in
order for them to preside

667
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,920
celestial marriage.
I I'm sure it was just being

668
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,280
sealed to one woman, right?
That's that's all it was.

669
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,840
Nope, they were already all
sealed to one woman and they had

670
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,760
to accept the revelation of God
to accept their plural lives and

671
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,280
enter celestial plural marriage.
Otherwise they couldn't preside.

672
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,000
And why is that?
Why is that?

673
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,120
And I think it's interesting
because I think what he's saying

674
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:54,400
what here verse 5, there's a
very much a it's very much an

675
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,840
eternal principle.
Those we will not abide.

676
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,720
My law cannot preside over my
priesthood.

677
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,000
The Lord isn't just saying I'm
making up an arbitrary rule here

678
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,600
again, he's revealing to US one
of these hard truths to which we

679
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,840
must learn to conform.
That is just a eternal

680
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,240
principle.
How could he have a president of

681
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:18,840
the 70 who presided over
righteous 70s who were

682
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,280
fulfilling the law that he was
not.

683
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,320
He couldn't preside over them
because he didn't have all the

684
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,760
same blessings, the same
insight, the same power.

685
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,040
Again, when the Lord talks about
marriage, he's not doing what we

686
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,480
mortals are always doing.
We're always talking about, I

687
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,640
mean, especially the world's
always talking about sexual

688
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,720
relationships, raising of
children, all of those types of

689
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:45,560
things.
But the Lord says, and Doctrine

690
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:50,520
Covenant section 131, this order
of my priesthood, if you will

691
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,000
not receive this order of my
priesthood, you cannot receive

692
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:58,560
the power, right?
And so I'm like, OK, he's

693
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,800
talking, yes, sealing and
priesthood, they're deeply

694
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,640
intertwined.
And this is something that the

695
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,040
world doesn't want to hear.
They don't want to hear that

696
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:12,040
this is intertwined.
Heck, the world for a long time

697
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,920
had celibate priests assuming
that being single was better

698
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,800
than being married.
But the Lord saying, no, no, no,

699
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,120
you don't understand.
My priesthood flows through a

700
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,400
covenant relationship.
The purpose of the endowment,

701
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,200
the purchase of the ceilings,
the purpose of celestial plural

702
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,680
marriage is to be in a covenant
relationship with me.

703
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:35,680
And that's how my priesthood, or
the Lord is saying that is how

704
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,320
the priesthood flows from heaven
in that covenant relationship.

705
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,840
Why did it matter that the
people of Israel entered the

706
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,640
covenant at Sinai?
God could have blessed any

707
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,960
individual with individual
salvation, right?

708
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,600
No, He made a covenant with the
people.

709
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:56,640
They would be sealed together
with him in this eternal and

710
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:01,320
everlasting covenant because
it's the relationship that is

711
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,800
the priesthood.
This is this is one of my little

712
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,160
pet peeves.
People always think the

713
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,240
priesthood is something you own.
I own this book.

714
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,080
I have this coaster.
I I have this thing.

715
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,400
And they think that they can
grasp the priesthood as though

716
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,920
it were just an object, not
understanding that the

717
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,480
priesthood is the relationship
it it.

718
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,480
And that's why I like saying
it's the hood part of

719
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,400
priesthood.
Sure, you might individually try

720
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,680
to act as a priest.
What makes you not a false

721
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,280
priest though?
Well, my relationship to God in

722
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,720
acting in his name is only a
true priesthood if I'm doing

723
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:43,360
God's will, not mine will, or if
I'm a priest of Molech or some

724
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,160
other false God or something
like that.

725
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,480
A priest of Baal.
What makes them a priest of

726
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,240
Baal?
Their relationship to that false

727
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,360
God, the relationship with that
false teaching.

728
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:57,000
So priesthood isn't something
you get to own, it's about

729
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,440
whether or not you are in that
relationship.

730
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,920
So.
Can I ask a question about that

731
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,400
that that thought right there?
There is an interesting quote by

732
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,320
Joseph Smith.
I believe in the words of Joseph

733
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,040
Smith where he's talking about
Abraham and when Abraham was

734
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:20,360
blessed by Melchizedek and he he
walks away and and Joseph quotes

735
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:25,360
him in as saying, quoting
Abraham says now I have a

736
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,640
priesthood of my own.
Oh, sure, yeah.

737
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,960
How would that fit in with that
same that same kind?

738
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,120
Of idea, yeah.
No, to me that's exactly

739
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,800
relevant.
See, because the problem is, is

740
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:42,720
that Abraham, of course, yes,
the language we're using sounds

741
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:46,800
like ownership of a single noun.
But what was Abraham's problem?

742
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,240
Abraham sought it for the
blessings of the fathers.

743
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,160
Why?
Because his own father was a

744
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,720
wicked man, and Tarah had given
up his priesthood, that he'd

745
00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:58,000
connected him to God, his common
relationship with God, and he

746
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,280
had his covenant with the idols.
And so famously, Tarah was a

747
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,240
high priest, an idol maker for
these false gods.

748
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,640
Abraham was like, oh, no, here I
am.

749
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,920
I wanted the blessing.
When when he when he when he

750
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,680
learned that his father's faith
was in vain.

751
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,960
He wanted that faith that
Melchizedek had that brought him

752
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:25,080
into the presence of God, that
made him have that relationship.

753
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,480
He wanted that for himself.
And so I think it's interesting,

754
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,760
he says, I wanted the blessings
of the fathers, which is the

755
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,280
priesthood.
What does that mean?

756
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,240
He wanted the same relationship.
And he felt like his own

757
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:39,760
bloodline was broken.
He didn't have a connection to

758
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,360
God because again, this covenant
of the sealing ordinances, it

759
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,840
was bright.
He had no priesthood of his own.

760
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,480
But when he obtained the
blessing from God, now he had a

761
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,480
relationship.
Now he had a priesthood of his

762
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,320
own.
In other words, he was like, now

763
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,840
it's connected again, right?
Now I can pass this birthright

764
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:03,800
on as it went to Isaac and then
to Jacob, right?

765
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,560
Because he's now anchored to the
source authority and power.

766
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,920
So that's what I think he's
saying and that's why I think he

767
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,160
puts it in terms of the fathers
and the patriarchal order.

768
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:18,640
Is that he he also, I believe,
was Mormon in this way and and

769
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,360
and saw that relationship.
So I want to read Doctor govern

770
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,560
section 131 starting in verse
one through 4 because this is

771
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,040
kind of that point.
It says in the celestial glory

772
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,400
there are three heavens or
degrees and in order to obtain

773
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,160
the highest a man must enter
into this order of the

774
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,160
priesthood.
And if he doesn't, he cannot

775
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,240
obtain it.
He may enter into the other, but

776
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:42,240
that is the end of his Kingdom.
He cannot have an increase.

777
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,160
What an interesting thing.
Well, what is this?

778
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,440
What is this order of the
priesthood?

779
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,040
The new and everlasting covenant
of marriage is what it is.

780
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,760
And I think it's interesting.
He even tells us what's the

781
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,520
blessing or the loss that you
experience if you don't enter

782
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,280
it.
An increase.

783
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,640
Well, what does an increase
mean?

784
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:06,040
Well, frankly, I think it means
additional wives.

785
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,040
If you do not accept plural
marriage, you don't have to live

786
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,920
it, but then you you can't have
an increase.

787
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,560
Part of the blessing of plural
marriage is that you can have an

788
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,560
infinite increase.
It's not just about whether or

789
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,520
not you have two wives.
It's about the fact that you've

790
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,880
opened the door to having an
infinite number of wives.

791
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,440
Eternity is a long time.
You can always have more wives,

792
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,760
more children, more worlds
without end.

793
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,280
Right, right.
So what we we've talked here a

794
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,320
little bit about having to obey
that law and and I want to get

795
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,880
your opinion on something here.
If you are a husband and wife

796
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,760
who want these things, but the
right woman just never comes

797
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,280
along right and you never have
that opportunity.

798
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,920
You think that there's, there's,
I don't want to say exceptions

799
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,520
made for that, but maybe
arrangements made for that,

800
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,520
right.
Yeah, and I I absolutely do

801
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,160
think so.
I again, the question is, is are

802
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,960
you the kind of being who says
this far I've gone, I will go no

803
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,080
further, right.
Or are you in the spiritual

804
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:16,520
mindset that says, oh, it may be
bitter as gall, it may be a very

805
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,760
difficult sacrifice, but not my
will but thine be done?

806
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,400
Right.
Then that's the main thing, I

807
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,440
think that matters.
And so, yeah, I know that

808
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,000
there's a lot of people who feel
a little bit like a numbers

809
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,440
game.
Like, why is it that I've never

810
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,160
found the right woman to the
right women to live floral

811
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,880
marriage with?
Why haven't I?

812
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,920
I, I made it over that.
I mean, I'm monogamous

813
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,200
essentially as far as the
world's concerned, right?

814
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,080
But my wife and I identify
ourselves as polygamists because

815
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,320
we are open.
Right.

816
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,720
To find more wives who wants to
live the fullness of this law.

817
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:53,880
And so I think that's the main
thing.

818
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,720
In fact, I even I tell the story
sometimes we had a better good

819
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,600
good guy.
I think I'll just say his first

820
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:05,360
name is his name was Sam.
He was a good man, but he wasn't

821
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,560
you didn't have all the gifts
that you would one would expect,

822
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,640
right?
He and I think it was, I think

823
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,280
it was some kind of mental
retardation.

824
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,000
I think it's a bad word.
Now what do they call it?

825
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,600
Developmental delay.
Anyways, he had these

826
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:26,880
developmental delays and he was
never really husband material, I

827
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,240
guess you could say, but he
hadn't.

828
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:31,760
He had these great moments of
insight and clarity too.

829
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,200
I knew he was a good man.
I knew he loved God and at first

830
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,560
it was easy to be able to
dismiss him because he was

831
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,520
visibly and he's visibly
mentally disabled.

832
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,920
OK.
But I remember like a month

833
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,160
before his death, like he looked
at me with his piercing look in

834
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,280
his eyes and he was like, This
is why we must obey the

835
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,120
commandments.
And he gave me this testimony.

836
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,760
And I was like, whoa, not what I
was expecting.

837
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,040
A person who normally doesn't
speak in complete sentences.

838
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,400
And he gave me this beautiful
brief, somewhat brief, but like

839
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,160
a full paragraph of like well
thought out philosophical truth

840
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,080
and about how he was committed,
no matter what it took to

841
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,520
fulfill all of the Lord's
commandments because the

842
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,800
blessings are worth it, right?
He died about a month later and

843
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:23,160
he never married.
But in our church we have a

844
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:28,240
temple and we sealed him
posthumously to three women who

845
00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:35,520
also never married in life.
And they were, you know,

846
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,200
different relatives from some of
our families when we did our

847
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,280
family group sheets.
And some of these people never

848
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,840
married.
And there was, you know,

849
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,760
hundreds and hundreds of people
that it could have been.

850
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,680
And it was prayed about.
And the prophet said, I feel

851
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,400
that these women would want to
marry him.

852
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,880
And he gave a revelation that
said not only could he be sealed

853
00:46:54,880 --> 00:47:00,120
to these three women, I bet he
would obtain, he would obtain

854
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,480
the fullness of all things and
all priesthoods and all power

855
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,360
because he magnified all that he
was given.

856
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,840
So again, I think it's tricky
because sometimes we want to say

857
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,680
this is the Protestant work
ethic probably speaking to us

858
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,760
through Mormonism.
It's a false doctrine in a lot

859
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,040
of ways that we prosper
according to our genius.

860
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,360
You know, we want to take credit
for our own successes or say,

861
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,200
oh, well, those people didn't
have success.

862
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,600
And their judgements are just
they, they, they probably didn't

863
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,560
deserve better.
That's not the way the Lord

864
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,080
works.
The Lord, I think, gives us so

865
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:38,240
much mercy, so much time.
The real question is, is what if

866
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:40,680
you don't enter this priest
order of the priesthood?

867
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,360
Well, I think what that is, is
if you reject it when it's

868
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,560
offered to you, that's when
you're damned.

869
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,120
Yeah.
Right.

870
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,640
It's it's what.
It's what the Lord says right

871
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:56,400
after in section 132.
Those who receive this law must

872
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:57,920
obey the same or they'll be
damned.

873
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,280
Yep.
Well, again, not everyone's

874
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:01,320
ready to receive plural
marriage.

875
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,800
Everyone's ready to receive 132.
So to some extent, even though

876
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,120
it's published in the earliest
scriptures, it is hidden to most

877
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,840
people.
But if it's revealed to you, in

878
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,760
other words, if there's the
opportunity rises in your life

879
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,680
and this is what the Lord has
called you to do, and you reject

880
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,440
the author of your being, you
reject that blessing.

881
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,280
You have the free will to reject
that blessing.

882
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:26,280
But understand, when you reject
that blessing, you can obtain it

883
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,520
in no other way.
You're not going to, you're not

884
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,360
going to be blessed for
rejecting it.

885
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:37,840
And so John Taylor 5, in their
third version or the second of

886
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,400
the two hidden revelations, was
rejected because this is a hard

887
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:46,720
truth, right?
That that if they don't live it,

888
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:49,480
they can't just pretend they
can't just set aside this thing

889
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,920
because it's hard and expect to
receive the same blessing.

890
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,440
They won't have the same
priesthood power because

891
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,920
priesthood flows into our lives
through the covenant.

892
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,960
And the covenant isn't just
about the marriages, and it

893
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,960
isn't just about being sealed to
your kids so the families can be

894
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,600
together forever.
And it isn't just about whether

895
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,880
or not someone ordained you.
The priesthood is about your

896
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,360
covenant relationship with God,
The patriarchal order as Abraham

897
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,200
sought the blessings of the
fathers.

898
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,080
It is all of it.
This is why I believe in

899
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,280
priesthood ceilings of adoption,
the the patriarchal blessings

900
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,040
which seal you into a tribe of
Israel, the the second

901
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:32,000
endowments which seal you up
unto eternal life, the and and

902
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,200
even the marriages, even the
plural marriages.

903
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,800
All of these things are
relational about how we are

904
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,080
becoming like God and God is
acting through us.

905
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,560
Not everybody's ready for plural
marriage.

906
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:45,720
Not everyone's ready for
marriage.

907
00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:49,360
Like my friend Sam, he wasn't
really ready for marriage.

908
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,280
But part of the part of the
little revelation when they said

909
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,120
we could steal him to these
women and that he would obtain

910
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:00,760
all things was a promise that
the things that had held him

911
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,760
back in this life were the
crosses that he chose to bear so

912
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,840
that he could learn to overcome
all things, right?

913
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,960
And that.
And that, having now overcome,

914
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,840
his mind will be freed from
those limitations, and he will

915
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,720
therefore be able to pass line
upon line into all truth and the

916
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:21,920
thing that's available to all of
us unless we choose to stop.

917
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:28,280
And that's why it says you'll be
damned right if you reject this

918
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,360
law.
Again, the Lord's not saying

919
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,720
this in the Protestant way.
He's not saying I will push you

920
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,680
down into eternal Hellfire.
That's all it says.

921
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,640
It just says either receive the
fullness thereof, must have,

922
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,120
shall abide the law, or He shall
be damned.

923
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,880
What He's saying is, is you're
either going to move forward or

924
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,160
you're going to stop, and it's
up to you.

925
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:54,160
Do you want to move forward or
do you want to stop and, and,

926
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,800
and I think, but again, some of
us will then think, well then I

927
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,160
should run faster than I have
strength.

928
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,640
I should rush into everything.
Also not true.

929
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,040
Jesus made it clear it's not
meat.

930
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:08,080
In other words, it's not wise
for you to run faster than you

931
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,560
have strength.
I receive here a little and

932
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,280
there a little line upon line,
precept from precept.

933
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:17,200
I do not encourage your viewers
to rush into a plural marriages

934
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:18,880
just because plural marriages is
your principal.

935
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,760
It could be a terrible idea, A
terrible idea for everyone

936
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,760
involved.
Yeah, yeah, I know.

937
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,120
And, and the reason I asked that
question is I get guys will

938
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:34,280
sometimes read this or families
will read this and go, uh oh,

939
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,560
we're deficient, right?
Oh, we're deficient.

940
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,680
We better rush.
And do this, we better rush, we

941
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,080
better go right.
And you don't know how many

942
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:45,680
emails I've got where I've had
to be like, bro, breathe, we're

943
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,360
OK, right?
Like the, it is way more

944
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,800
important right now for you to
get right with this principle

945
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,000
here in your heart and up here
in your mind.

946
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,280
And so if the opportunity comes
along, if the Lord so chooses to

947
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,680
bless you with that, you can
take advantage of that, just

948
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,720
like your story with, with your
friend Sam.

949
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,640
There's another gentleman out
here who, who's, who has a

950
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,320
family member.
And, and he shared with me the,

951
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:15,120
the, the family journal that
this came out of very similar.

952
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,640
This was a guy who even knew
Joseph Muster a little bit and

953
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,960
he was, he was like broken up
about this because he was in a

954
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:27,160
wheelchair like, and, and
basically the, you know, the

955
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:32,400
Lord tells him it's OK, right?
It's not a lack of heart you are

956
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,120
suffering from.
And because of that, all these

957
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,960
things will be made right.
I know your heart, I know your

958
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:42,840
desires, and I know that if if
this was an option for you, you

959
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,400
would do it.
Paraphrasing, of course.

960
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:47,080
Right.
I mean, and that's, that's sort

961
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,160
of like the the problem with
like Alvin, right, right.

962
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,640
Joseph Smith was surprised to
see envision that Alvin was

963
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,080
going to receive all things.
And the Lord says, Oh yeah, all

964
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:58,600
those who would receive will
receive.

965
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,240
Yep.
And what a comfort that could be

966
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:05,080
because he's like, how could
Alvin, who was never even

967
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:09,520
baptized by authority, How could
he reign forever before God's

968
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,400
throne as a God to receive all
blessings all?

969
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,000
Yes, Alvin.
Alvin received plural wives,

970
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,280
even though in this life he
didn't have the chance.

971
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,480
Alvin will also receive eternal
posterity.

972
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,960
Alvin will also receive all
these things even though he was

973
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,480
cut down in his youth and never
had the chance.

974
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,400
Why?
Because Alvin was righteous, and

975
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,240
as the one of the righteous
dead, he is going to accept all

976
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:35,240
things and the Lord is going to
make it all right.

977
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:42,600
Yep, 100% good stuff.
So yeah, people rush into these

978
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,640
things.
But yes, to go back to the

979
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,360
second of the four hidden
revelations.

980
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,160
Oh, and you mentioned, I don't
even know if I mentioned this

981
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:51,720
properly.
The original pamphlet, of

982
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:53,440
course, was published by Truth
Magazine.

983
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,880
Joseph Musser, who I accept as a
true prophet of God.

984
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,160
Yep.
Is the one who coined the term

985
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,840
the four hidden revelations and
tried to bring these out Why?

986
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,680
Because these are such important
principles, right and So what

987
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:07,920
was he doing with that first
one?

988
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,320
He was showing us look, there
was a blessing and the church

989
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,120
rejected that blessing.
But that doesn't mean that

990
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,840
everyone is lost just as Wilford
Woodruff didn't lose his

991
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,440
exaltation when the church
accepted the the manifesto.

992
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,280
There are certain principles and
if we obey them, then God will

993
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,280
fight our battles.
He he included this second

994
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,200
revelation, this one from John
Taylor, which is found in the as

995
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,400
John Taylor five in the restored
version.

996
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,600
He he included that because he
wanted us to understand you

997
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,280
can't preside over the
priesthood without being

998
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,360
obedient to fullness of law.
This was basically this makes

999
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,320
this is the principle that shows
why Joseph muster could preside

1000
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:52,880
over the keys of the priesthood
while men like Harold B Lee or

1001
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,400
you know, some of these other
men could not right, right.

1002
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,000
Because Joseph Messer was asked
by God to preside over all the

1003
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,400
key over these keys, because he
was obedient to these laws.

1004
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,800
Yeah.
He was willing to keep them all.

1005
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:11,280
Yeah, the next one, and this is
probably the most important,

1006
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,120
we've already mentioned it, the
third of the four hidden

1007
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,320
revelations, also called
Addendum 7 in the addendum

1008
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,880
Doctrine Covenants, is the 1886
revelation.

1009
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:26,680
That's the one that the church
finally accepted and it is found

1010
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,680
as John Taylor Section 11, no
short version.

1011
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:35,440
I already said so important it's
and now the header there was

1012
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,520
able to we're able to put in
just before printing Church

1013
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:43,040
History Catalog MS34928 because
you can look up the original

1014
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,280
handwritten revelation in the
church history catalog by the

1015
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,720
church even though they had
rejected it.

1016
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:54,160
Every time you say that with a
with a a number for the church

1017
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,000
catalog, I'm like, wait, say it
slower.

1018
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:01,640
Say it with the say it's lower
in itself sultry tone.

1019
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:08,960
Sorry I just had this like.
Church history catalog MS34928

1020
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:10,520
right?
It just sounds so good.

1021
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,640
It just feels good, right?
Someone was asking me like why?

1022
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,880
Why does it matter to people so
much whether or not the church

1023
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,200
accept admits that it exists or
not?

1024
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:21,480
And I was like, you know, at
first it sort of does seem like

1025
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,760
a nothing burger because I know
it's real and it there's

1026
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,320
thousands of it all over the
place.

1027
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:26,840
We all know it's from John
Taylor.

1028
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,880
But it also just feels like a
relief because we've been gaslit

1029
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,480
for 100 years.
Yes, that's what it was as it

1030
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,000
was.
It was straight up gaslighting.

1031
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,360
It was a That's not real.
Yeah.

1032
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,280
And and it's and it was
frustrating to have me like,

1033
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,560
look, there's so much
documentary evidence.

1034
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,800
Are you kidding me?
Are you really going to look me

1035
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:51,440
in the eye with a straight face
and deny the evidence that's

1036
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,360
right in front of you?
And I'm sorry with the church

1037
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:59,040
leaders for 100 years were like,
absolutely, we are going to deny

1038
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,040
all the evidence of history that
is right in front of our face

1039
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,440
and we're going to pretend that
it does not exist and that you

1040
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,800
are a liar.
And we're like, we're not lying.

1041
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,480
It's just what it is, you know?
Yep, Yep.

1042
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,920
And so, yes, I'll tell you why
the church finally admit yes,

1043
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,880
OK, yes, we've always had.
A I'll I'll tell you.

1044
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,040
I'll tell you why else this is a
big deal.

1045
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:22,240
This is 1 e-mail I got and I
know of at least four other

1046
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,240
stories that are fairly similar
to this, but this is the one

1047
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:29,640
that sticks out to me.
Ben, when this came out, I

1048
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,160
spiked the football for a week.
If it was football, I'd be hit

1049
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,400
with a 15 yard penalty for
excessive celebration.

1050
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,400
There's no doubt I.
Said celebration.

1051
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:40,320
Let me tell you.
Why though?

1052
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,280
Why?
Because of the e-mail I get from

1053
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:49,040
from a couple of people.
There's one lady that emails me

1054
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,320
and she's in the mainstream
church.

1055
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:57,120
She is devout there, but she
tells the story of her

1056
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:01,440
grandfather and she said my
grandfather was the kindest,

1057
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,560
gentlest, most loving man I'd
ever met.

1058
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,040
He would take me fishing with
him.

1059
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,040
He would take me for rides in
his truck.

1060
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,520
I at the time, I was his only
granddaughter.

1061
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,640
Well, what ends up happening is
a stumble of cross

1062
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:25,720
fundamentalism.
This man and his wife and this

1063
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,640
this woman's husband finds out
about it.

1064
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,160
So it's I think it's her
maternal grandfather.

1065
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:39,080
And so her dad finds out about
it and says you are not talking

1066
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:44,880
to grandpa so and so anymore
because he believes that you can

1067
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,240
have more than one wife.
And he bases this off of a

1068
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:53,560
belief in a false revelation
that does not exist.

1069
00:58:55,360 --> 00:59:01,520
So they cut off all contact.
And it's only based on that lie.

1070
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:10,120
And it's only it's only, you
know, four or five years before

1071
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:14,320
this man passes away, well
before the church came out that

1072
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:19,080
yeah, we have it right.
And it's legit when this woman

1073
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,280
is in her early 30s where she
gets to reconnect with her

1074
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:26,400
grandfather and the heartbreak
in that letter.

1075
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,960
And I don't sell this cheaply.
I don't say this cheaply.

1076
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,720
The blood of that relationship
is on the church's hands because

1077
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,880
let's just say they're legit,
right?

1078
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,680
I'm not saying everything turns
out better, but there is a

1079
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:45,400
chance that that at least maybe
that dad goes well, it was

1080
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,080
legit.
We don't do it now, but it was

1081
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,520
legit.
We got to give grandpa so and

1082
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,560
so.
A break, at least a little grace

1083
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,200
that he's not a little.
Grace, he's not a liar.

1084
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:56,800
He.
Agrees with us.

1085
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:01,240
Right, right.
And so that sort of crap right

1086
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,640
there when someone says why is
this a big deal, it's because of

1087
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:09,640
that because they lied for so
long and that lying did damage

1088
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,320
to families.
And that has to be that.

1089
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,320
As a man who believes in
justice, and I know God loves

1090
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,080
justice as much as he loves
mercy.

1091
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,600
There will be a reckoning at
whoever decided to bury that,

1092
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,960
whether that was Hebrew.
They know he decided to bury

1093
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,640
because when they revealed right
when they were jailed, if

1094
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,600
there's a letter, it was J.
Ruben Clarke and everybody in

1095
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,280
between.
Yeah, the.

1096
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:37,080
Time it was authorized, that
knew it was real and refused to

1097
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:38,800
acknowledge it.
Shame on you.

1098
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:43,080
Yeah.
About 10s of thousands of people

1099
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,080
who would otherwise have been
part of society, part of the

1100
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:49,000
church, part of something who
were.

1101
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:53,080
Look, there's, there's been,
there's been well over 100,000

1102
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,160
Mormon fundamentals.
There's been well over 100,000

1103
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:59,880
people living in plural families
since the time of the 1886

1104
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:01,720
revelation.
There's been lots.

1105
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:08,800
How different would it have been
if there wasn't this denial of

1106
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,920
the legitimacy of them as
people, the denial of the

1107
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:14,320
legitimacy of their history?
The, and I'm sorry, but that's,

1108
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:18,040
that's where that stems from.
If you can gaslight me and say

1109
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,720
this or that thing in history
never even happened, you're all

1110
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,280
liars.
Then it becomes much easier to

1111
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,400
say, and you know what?
You're not welcome in our

1112
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:26,560
culture.
You're not welcome in our

1113
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,080
society.
You're not welcome in our town.

1114
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,400
This town isn't big enough for
your family and mine.

1115
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,000
Get out.
And then you've got, And then of

1116
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,200
course, our church isn't big
enough for you and me to both be

1117
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,480
in the same church and all those
things until you have people out

1118
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:42,040
in Short Creek all
excommunicated trying to figure

1119
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,400
out what they're going to do.
And, you know, Mormon

1120
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,320
fundamentalism has had plenty of
its own schisms, right?

1121
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,600
And my line comes through the
people who weren't in Short

1122
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,920
Creek, you know, But look at how
much pain and suffering that's

1123
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,720
caused.
And I'm sorry, but like, would,

1124
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,200
would, would wicked men like
Warren Jeffs have really been

1125
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:06,480
able to rise to power in the way
they did if they weren't so

1126
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,760
isolated, if they weren't so
persecuted that they weren't so

1127
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:16,560
vulnerable to the abuses of
people who were going to do

1128
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:18,640
their own will And so.
Yeah.

1129
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,960
The other thing that this
release, and I'm sorry, I didn't

1130
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,440
mean to spend so much time
talking about the, the periphery

1131
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:30,720
of this, but the the other thing
that this shows is, is that you

1132
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:36,360
can delay the truth.
You can run from it, you can

1133
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:40,200
hide from it, but at some point,
the truth always has its day.

1134
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:45,240
No matter what you try to bury,
no matter what you try to deny,

1135
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,720
the truth is the truth, and the
truth will out.

1136
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,920
It will come out.
The truth is John Wick.

1137
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,640
It has will and it is coming,
and it's coming, most likely.

1138
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,760
And it's got plot armor and it's
coming, yes.

1139
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:03,320
Yes exactly the truth only on
this show where you're going to

1140
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:09,680
get the truth is like John Wick
anyway this the The thing is is

1141
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,760
that it is the truth will always
have its day.

1142
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:17,800
You don't have a choice.
And we look, I'm not saying that

1143
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,480
a split wouldn't have happened
with the LDS Church, right?

1144
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,160
I think a split.
Of course it would have.

1145
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:23,840
Still needed it kind of needed
to happen.

1146
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,400
This is the this is the way I
read some of wolf order

1147
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,840
statements about like, look, we
had to act for the temporal

1148
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,280
salvation of the church.
Temporal, not spiritual

1149
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,320
salvation of the church.
Again, they're losing a

1150
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:37,520
blessing, but we had to make it
so that people, the bottom half

1151
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,160
of the ladder was still
climbable.

1152
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,600
Right.
We, you know, we, we can't have

1153
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,440
all the bottom runs taken out of
the ladder that leads to

1154
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,040
exaltation.
So we had to act for the

1155
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:49,480
temporal salvation of the
Church.

1156
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,400
Right.
Yep, Yep.

1157
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,680
But had they just come clean
about it at the very beginning,

1158
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:58,920
maybe you can salvage some
relationships.

1159
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:03,240
Maybe you can foster some really
some some understanding from one

1160
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:04,600
end of the spectrum to the
other.

1161
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:06,960
And this is one of the reasons
why I'm so down on J Reuben

1162
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,280
Clark.
And it was so fascinating to me

1163
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,400
to find out more about that
reorganization of the Church.

1164
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:17,360
They when they, well, they
created the corporation and all

1165
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,080
of that organization stuff that
happened.

1166
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,920
The thing that's really shocking
to me is, and then here's

1167
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:23,480
something about the 1886
revelation.

1168
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:29,240
The people who were in the
priesthood in 1886, the people

1169
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:33,200
who were in priesthood
leadership at least in 1886, and

1170
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,160
the people who were in
priesthood leadership in the

1171
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:37,720
First Presidency corner of the
1270s.

1172
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:43,520
All that all the general
authorities in 1931 when J

1173
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,160
Reuben Clark comes in and joins
the First Presidency and does

1174
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:47,840
all this and makes the Third
manifesto.

1175
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,880
When all that happens, how much
overlap do you think there was?

1176
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:53,720
Make a Venn diagram out of this
in your brain.

1177
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,920
How many people were in both
organizations that were both in

1178
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,160
priesthood leadership with John
Taylor and increased leadership

1179
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,960
with J Reuben Clark?
Do you know how many there are?

1180
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:04,840
I don't think off the top of my
head one.

1181
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:07,360
Only one.
David.

1182
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:12,360
J Grant, he's the only member of
John Taylor's church who was

1183
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:17,080
also a member of J Reuben
Clark's church, The only one.

1184
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,560
Now, of course you're going to
find there were pioneer

1185
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:23,440
individuals not in positions of
power, of course, that were were

1186
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,320
there when it comes to
priesthood leadership.

1187
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:30,120
It was a complete wipe.
And this helps me understand a

1188
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:34,160
little bit about why how tenuous
that I mean, people talk about

1189
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,360
how tenuous Mormon phenomenal
claims are and some some of our

1190
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:38,320
claims aren't some tenuous, I'm
sorry, I'll admit that.

1191
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:42,920
But look at how absolutely
tenuous the LDS church's claim

1192
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,040
is to being the same church
Joseph was founded.

1193
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,440
One link.
It comes down to one single

1194
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,920
point of failure, which is
Hebrew J Grant.

1195
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,960
And what does Hebrew J Grant do?
He elevates a guy right out of

1196
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,960
the ironic priesthood who's
totally inactive into the First

1197
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,800
Presidency and tells him
persecute everyone who doesn't

1198
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,960
bow the knee to me.
Yep, Yep.

1199
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:07,640
Yeah.
It's important to note J Reuben

1200
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:11,440
Clark is so active he never even
baptizes his own kids.

1201
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:13,920
Right.
He didn't even baptise his own

1202
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:15,120
children.
Another thing to realize.

1203
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:16,680
Just be like, oh, he's a member
of the First Presidency.

1204
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:18,400
Wasn't he prophecy in Revelator?
Wasn't he an apostle?

1205
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:22,840
No, he wasn't even or he was
ordained to the apostleship like

1206
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,960
way after.
He wasn't ordained to the when

1207
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,280
he wrote the third Manifesto and
they denied the existence of the

1208
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,040
1886 revelation.
He wasn't even a Melchizedek

1209
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,120
priesthood holder.
He was a member of the First

1210
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:39,080
Presidency for these political
aims, for these legal goals.

1211
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:41,600
He wasn't even an apostle or
anything.

1212
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:48,320
And so once you realize this, I,
I, I've realized just how

1213
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,840
tenuous their connection is to
claim that they're the ones in

1214
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,880
charge.
They have no legal claim that

1215
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:55,440
was wiped out by the Edmunds
Tucker Act.

1216
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,240
They had no.
And So what they do, they

1217
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:01,800
created the corporation of the,
of the first Presidency so that

1218
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,720
they could take possession of
Temple Square because they

1219
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:06,800
didn't own it.
OK.

1220
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,120
And then they made the third
manifesto.

1221
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,840
Why?
Because you've got you got a

1222
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,840
really good handful of
priesthood leadership in the

1223
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,360
Mormon fundamentalist movement
that was there with John Taylor,

1224
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:22,000
not just one guy, a whole quorum
of people who remember and live

1225
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,640
the fullest of the gospel still.
So to some extent I think it's

1226
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:27,720
interesting.
People will say, oh, well,

1227
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,480
Lauren Woolley was a little
weird, or John Taylor or, or

1228
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:35,040
John Woolley didn't write much
down or Joseph Musser was a

1229
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:38,640
little crazy or something.
And they'll try to downplay the

1230
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:43,000
priesthood leadership of Mormon
fundamentalism, not realizing, I

1231
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:49,120
think, that the mainstream
connection to the to the church

1232
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:53,280
was actually far more tenuous,
but much more powerful and

1233
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:54,840
bolstered up by these legal
arguments.

1234
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,440
By criminalizing polygamy, by
excommunicating everybody,

1235
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:03,120
including just women who were in
plural marriages, by taking

1236
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,800
possession of Temple Square and
taking possession of all of

1237
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,000
these properties through this
new corporation that they

1238
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:13,080
created, all those things they
were able to take over.

1239
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:16,479
But it was a hostile takeover.
It was not.

1240
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:18,160
It wasn't a vote of the
priesthood.

1241
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:21,520
It was a actual hostile takeover
that a guy from DC, Jared and

1242
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,319
Clark, came in and said
politically, we've got to clean

1243
01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:25,720
this up.
Legally, we've got to clean this

1244
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:29,279
up.
So let's play hardball and let's

1245
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:33,399
pretend that none of this ever
existed, deny all of it,

1246
01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:35,880
excommunicate everybody, and
then there won't be anybody left

1247
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,080
to oppose us.
And you know the law will let us

1248
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,520
get away with it because the law
doesn't want to hand any of this

1249
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:43,240
property back to those
polygamists.

1250
01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:47,680
It's still too hot of an issue.
The only way to make peace is

1251
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:49,040
for us to look like the good
guys.

1252
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,040
We're the ones who are in with
the world.

1253
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:54,120
We're the ones who are on good
terms with the law and the

1254
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:57,120
government and Washington DC and
all these people.

1255
01:08:57,359 --> 01:08:59,760
So give us the keys to the
temple.

1256
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:04,319
The temple give us the ownership
of the church, give us the

1257
01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:06,720
leadership.
And don't worry, we will.

1258
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,760
We'll sort this out.
We will get it right the way the

1259
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:11,720
the law wants, the way the
government wants it.

1260
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,160
We will clean this up.
And that's what they do.

1261
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:17,760
They issue the third manifesto
in 1831 and then the clean

1262
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:19,640
house.
They excommunicate everybody.

1263
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:24,720
Do they haven't already?
And then you've got an actual

1264
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:26,760
body of priesthood holders in
the Council of Friends.

1265
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,279
You have an actual body of
priesthood holders who was

1266
01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:33,800
actually here through the whole
thing versus one guy, Heber J

1267
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,720
Grant is the only one that we
know was called of God who was

1268
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,800
there back in the 1880s, who's
still there.

1269
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:44,600
And I'm sorry, but I don't want
to hang my whole testimony of

1270
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:48,160
the priesthood in a church on
one guy who committed a hostile

1271
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:49,920
takeover.
It's not, it's not good enough

1272
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,000
for me.
He also didn't perpetuate any of

1273
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:53,600
the things that he was.
Called the perpetuate.

1274
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,720
No, no, he was.
He was the man that they felt

1275
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,680
was.
But like, he doesn't even once

1276
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,640
he's an adult until he's called
to the apostleship.

1277
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,520
He doesn't even spend much time
in Salt Lake.

1278
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:08,160
He's predominantly in DC, right?
He's that's where.

1279
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:09,960
He, well, he wasn't called to
the apostleship like I like to

1280
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,880
clarify, right, He was called to
the First Presidency and was not

1281
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,920
ordained to anything.
He was simply installed.

1282
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:20,120
Right, right.
And, and, but he spends most of

1283
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,920
his time in DC.
He's kind of embarrassed, quite

1284
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,120
frankly, of his Mormon.
Route.

1285
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:29,080
This is Mormon history, family
history really, Not personal

1286
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:30,640
beliefs even.
Right.

1287
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:33,360
Yep, absolutely.
Let's go ahead and read this one

1288
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,960
because it's not very long this.
One's not very long, and it is

1289
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:40,040
worth reading the whole thing.
The 1886 Revelation, and it's

1290
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,400
filled with beautiful, beautiful
eternal principles.

1291
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:46,800
OK.
My son John, you have asked me

1292
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:50,200
concerning the new and
everlasting covenant, how far it

1293
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:54,920
is binding upon my people.
Thus saith the Lord, All

1294
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,960
commandments that I give must be
obeyed by those calling

1295
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:02,040
themselves by My name, unless
they are revoked by me or by my

1296
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,640
authority.
And how can I revoke an

1297
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,840
everlasting covenant?
For I, the Lord, am everlasting,

1298
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,760
and my everlasting covenants
cannot be abrogated nor done

1299
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,480
away with, but they stand
forever.

1300
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,080
Have I not given my word in
great plainness on this subject?

1301
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,120
Yet have not great numbers of My
people been negligent in the

1302
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,640
observance of My law and the
keeping of My commandments?

1303
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:28,240
And yet I have borne with them
these many years, and this

1304
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:31,200
because of their weakness,
because of the perilous times.

1305
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:36,600
And furthermore, it is more
pleasing to me that men should

1306
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,880
use their free agency in regard
to these matters.

1307
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:44,760
Nevertheless, I, the Lord, do
not change, and My word and My

1308
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:50,080
law and My covenants do not.
And as I have heretofore said by

1309
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:53,640
My servant Joseph, all those who
would enter into My glory must

1310
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:58,040
and shall obey My law.
And have I not commanded men

1311
01:11:58,040 --> 01:11:59,960
that if they were Abraham's
seed, and would enter into My

1312
01:11:59,960 --> 01:12:01,920
glory, they must do the works of
Abraham?

1313
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:05,600
I have not revoked this law, nor
will I, for it is everlasting.

1314
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:08,280
And those who will enter into My
glory must obey the conditions

1315
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:09,800
thereof.
Even so.

1316
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,960
Amen.
OK, first thing I want to dive

1317
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:18,160
into one of the things we hear
is that the in verse one where

1318
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,280
he says, you have asked me
concerning the new and

1319
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:23,840
everlasting covenant and how far
it is binding upon my people.

1320
01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:29,160
I'm not making any, not breaking
any news when I say we live in a

1321
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:35,160
postmodern society, right?
And postmodernism it it has a

1322
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,200
funny way of changing words,
right?

1323
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:42,880
And and and we see this even
creep into to to Mormonism,

1324
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:47,200
right?
If you ask a a latter day St.

1325
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,400
Now what is the new and
everlasting covenant?

1326
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:53,600
They will say, Oh well, that's
that's all the stuff that was

1327
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:56,160
brought forward through the
restoration.

1328
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,320
It's the fullness of the
covenant, of all the covenants,

1329
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:00,520
of anything God has commanded us
to do, all of it.

1330
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:04,000
Right.
However, at this time in

1331
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:07,880
history, that means something
different, right?

1332
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:12,880
That term at this time in in
history means one thing and one

1333
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,240
thing alone, and that is
celestial plural marriage.

1334
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,640
And I think the thing that's
tricky to to understand is even

1335
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:23,680
if we had that postmodern idea
that, oh, it's everything that

1336
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,680
God's revealed, well, didn't God
reveal celestial black marriage?

1337
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:28,960
Yes.
It's still part of it, even by

1338
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:30,880
the postmodernist approach.
I'm sorry.

1339
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:32,480
Right.
Yeah, No, it is.

1340
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:35,480
And so, but that's one of the
places I've seen where they try

1341
01:13:35,480 --> 01:13:37,480
to have some wiggle room, right
is right.

1342
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,000
Look.
To be honest, they're just flat

1343
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:43,800
dishonest with the history
because if you spend any time

1344
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:47,280
reading these documents at all,
it becomes very apparent.

1345
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:52,280
And I'm sorry the government was
not hunting John Taylor because

1346
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:56,440
he was sealed to one wife or
because they were practicing

1347
01:13:56,440 --> 01:13:57,960
consecration.
Or they were.

1348
01:13:57,960 --> 01:13:59,960
Because that well, maybe a
little bit of the consecration,

1349
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:03,200
but they were definitely hunt,
but they definitely didn't ever

1350
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,400
said that they were hunting them
down for bleeding in baptism.

1351
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:07,840
They never said that they were
hunting them down for believing

1352
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,040
in the laying on hands.
Right.

1353
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:11,960
They didn't say that they were
hunting them down because they

1354
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,920
had the Bible.
That was not the that was not

1355
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:18,280
the claim they were hunting them
down because of plural marriage.

1356
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:21,040
That was the stated reason.
So what why else would he be

1357
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,680
asking?
This is the context in verse

1358
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:25,600
one.
You have asked me concerning the

1359
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:27,640
newer lost and how far is
binding up on my people.

1360
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,640
Was was John Taylor saying do we
really have to get baptized?

1361
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:33,440
I mean, really, do we really
need all these scriptures?

1362
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,080
That's not what he was asking.
He.

1363
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,200
Was asking about the reason why
he's in hiding, why he's running

1364
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:41,280
for.
Life, right?

1365
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,160
Exactly.
And and I think that is so

1366
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:47,160
important to get across here
because I have seen people where

1367
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:52,640
they have tried to use this as a
mechanism of being like, no,

1368
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:54,240
that's not what they were after
him about.

1369
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:57,880
They just didn't like temples.
And I'm like, no, that's not

1370
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,760
what they're doing here, right?
Celestial foreign marriage is

1371
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:02,320
one of the reasons for temples.
I mean, you know.

1372
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,000
Right, exactly.
There's that, right?

1373
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:07,600
Nonetheless, I felt like that
was important to broach there,

1374
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:10,440
that that there's only one thing
he's talking about here and

1375
01:15:10,440 --> 01:15:13,040
that's it.
Yeah, that's really what he's

1376
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:14,760
talking about.
And yet, of course I do love

1377
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,280
that it is it.
These are general principles,

1378
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:18,720
though they are broadly
applicant.

1379
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:22,440
What is it that the Lord can
revoke and and the Lord cannot

1380
01:15:22,440 --> 01:15:24,160
revoke?
What is it that the Lord changes

1381
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:25,600
and doesn't change?
To me?

1382
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:29,040
This is one of the reasons why I
love this, this revelation so

1383
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:32,920
much because it gives me faith
that I can trust God and His

1384
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:36,720
word for His Word and his law
and His covenants do not change.

1385
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:38,320
And the Lord himself does not
change.

1386
01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:40,880
He's trustworthy, He's
dependable.

1387
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:46,280
He's not going to just, you
know, carpet pull us the last

1388
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:49,440
minute because he changed his
mind about something.

1389
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:53,400
Right.
Right, here's the other thing

1390
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:56,880
then, if the Lord is not
consistent on that, right?

1391
01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:01,200
If the Lord says Nope, good
enough for your ancestors, they

1392
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:04,280
needed it, but you don't, what
was that turn God into?

1393
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:07,520
That turns him into a respecter
of persons, right?

1394
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:11,120
No longer does everyone have to
be saved and exalted on the same

1395
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,680
principles.
Now you've turned the Lord into

1396
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,920
something he has said many
times, Himself He is not, which

1397
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:20,240
is a respecter of persons.
Right, because God's going to be

1398
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:23,600
like, Oh yeah, I'll give you the
same blessing if you get to live

1399
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:27,360
it comfortably and as so I'm not
going to require the same

1400
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:30,200
sacrifice.
It'll be easier for you.

1401
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:32,240
Well, what does that sound?
That's a lie.

1402
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:34,880
That's a lot.
That's the comforting lie that

1403
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:37,320
we tell ourselves.
I don't have to work harder.

1404
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:38,680
I don't have to make the
sacrifice.

1405
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:39,920
I don't have to do a bigger
thing.

1406
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:44,320
I don't have to do it.
It's so much easier for me than

1407
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:49,240
it was for them because God will
give me the blessing without the

1408
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:50,880
without the second.
Absolutely.

1409
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:54,600
And that's yeah, I couldn't
agree with you more.

1410
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:58,760
And and it also again, like
you're an attorney, you'll I

1411
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:01,560
think you'll like this.
One of the things I really like

1412
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:06,400
about the legal system in
America, or at least how it was

1413
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:09,640
supposed to operate, was starry
decisis, right?

1414
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:12,840
That that you're going to look
back at case law and make

1415
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,400
determinations as an attorney
based off of that.

1416
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,840
Well, what does that do?
That provides for stability and

1417
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:22,720
predictability, right?
And, and, and predictability and

1418
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:26,080
stability is huge.
If we know that God is the same

1419
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:29,640
yesterday, today and forever and
he has asked me to do these

1420
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:33,000
things well, can I look back and
see where God asked somebody to

1421
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,720
perform something similar?
What was the outcome?

1422
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:39,400
OK, then knowing that God is no
respecter of persons.

1423
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:41,480
He is consistent.
He is the same today, yesterday

1424
01:17:41,480 --> 01:17:45,600
and forever.
That means that at some level he

1425
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:47,040
will be pleased with that
action.

1426
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:50,280
Now, is it always going to turn
out Rosie, like you imagine

1427
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:51,320
somebody else?
No.

1428
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:55,960
Sometimes life just stinks.
But nonetheless, we know what he

1429
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,240
expects.
And if we know what he expects,

1430
01:17:58,440 --> 01:18:01,360
then we can do our part to
receive as many of the blessings

1431
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:02,000
as we can.
But.

1432
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:06,320
We have to make that sacrifice
and whether like the people,

1433
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:09,960
like the righteous family of
Amulet who were thrown into the

1434
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,040
fire in Amaniah and they were
burned up.

1435
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:15,520
Yeah.
But the Lord said, I receive

1436
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:20,720
them unto myself.
They will receive blessing or

1437
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:21,800
light.
Or if we get to be like

1438
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:25,240
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego,
who when they were thrown to the

1439
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:29,200
fiery furnace, they were spared.
Either way, the sacrifice is the

1440
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:31,320
same and the blessing is the
same.

1441
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:36,480
Those who were willing to walk
into the fiery furnace receive a

1442
01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:40,920
great blessing and those who are
not willing cannot receive that

1443
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,560
blessing.
And the blessing is that of

1444
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:45,800
eternal life.
And so you have to, you have to

1445
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:48,760
give it all.
So, so anyways, this one's the

1446
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:51,120
one that's most understand
understandable as to why it is

1447
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:52,880
hidden.
So when we ask ourselves, why

1448
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:56,640
was this hidden?
Well, because this directly

1449
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:59,440
challenges the authority of the
LDS Church to exist.

1450
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,120
It directly challenges their
claim to authority.

1451
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:04,800
It directly challenges the
legitimacy of the organization

1452
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:06,480
that they created under Jerry
and Clark.

1453
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:08,000
It directly challenges all of
that.

1454
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,720
Jerry and Clark was smart enough
to see that and that's why he

1455
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:13,640
wrote that memo that you can see
in the church history, the

1456
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:18,640
catalog now where he explicitly
states we need to lie about this

1457
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:22,200
or everyone will see that we
don't have have the authority

1458
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,040
essentially.
Now that's me paraphrasing, but

1459
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:26,680
he was like, this will cause so
much trouble.

1460
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:27,760
Why would it cause so much
trouble?

1461
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:31,640
Because it would reveal that
their church is not the same

1462
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:35,800
church and that I do not have
the same priesthood and that

1463
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:37,960
they are in rebellion against
God.

1464
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:41,120
So they, they, they couldn't
have that be openly discussed.

1465
01:19:43,480 --> 01:19:44,720
And So what do we need to
accept?

1466
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:47,400
I think we need to accept that
God isn't changing, that the

1467
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:50,320
truth, as hard as it is, you
have to learn to accept it

1468
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:52,360
because the truth doesn't
change.

1469
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:59,640
Now let's do the last one.
Before before we go there, Ben,

1470
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:03,200
can I point out one other verse
in in this 1886 when I find

1471
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:06,880
interesting?
And that's first verse 8 in the

1472
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:12,120
Canada in the in the RSV and it
says, and furthermore, it is

1473
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:15,480
more pleasing to me that men
should use their free agency in

1474
01:20:15,480 --> 01:20:21,640
regard to these matters.
I think God wants us to want the

1475
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,960
things that he wants, right?
It's not enough to have like

1476
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:28,480
this reluctant obedience of
like, I guess I'll do it if I

1477
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:30,880
have to, but I don't want to
write.

1478
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,160
It's like, I don't know if
anybody has kids, right?

1479
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:37,360
It's like dragging them along,
like, don't make me go have fun.

1480
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:39,200
You know?
You're like, oh, come on, can

1481
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:41,240
you want what I want?
Can't we all?

1482
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:44,640
Right, right.
And look, I want to say this.

1483
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,720
Sometimes that's the best we can
do, right?

1484
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:51,360
Look, you and I have hung out
for for for space-time here.

1485
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:54,080
So I know you're pretty well and
I know that you're like me from

1486
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:57,120
time to time.
You think I don't want to do

1487
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:01,440
this on Sunday, right?
I just want to lay here and lay

1488
01:21:01,440 --> 01:21:05,800
in bed and think.
And sometimes it's, it is like,

1489
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:11,320
no, I guess I'll go do it.
And that's fine for a space of

1490
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:13,520
time, right?
Well, right, because we are all,

1491
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:15,040
you know, you can't run faster
than you have strength, right?

1492
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:16,160
Sometimes you just don't have
strength.

1493
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:18,280
And you're like, no, I, I, I,
I'm not.

1494
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:20,640
I can't do it.
Right, right.

1495
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:25,520
And sometimes this thing of
fine, I'll do it is good enough.

1496
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:28,360
But you shouldn't stay in that
space, right?

1497
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:32,720
At some point you want that will
that you have to match the will

1498
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:35,720
our father has so that we can
look at things the same way,

1499
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:38,600
right?
What what was what was the thing

1500
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:40,320
about David that the Lord loved
the most?

1501
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:42,720
He was a man after my own heart,
the Lord says.

1502
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:45,280
Right.
He saw things the way God saw

1503
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:46,600
them.
He believed the way God

1504
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:50,000
believed.
Yes, and so we all have those

1505
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:51,240
times.
I don't want you to think that

1506
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:52,800
it's an all or nothing
proposition.

1507
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:56,600
We all have those times where
we're like, fine, I'll go to

1508
01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:58,760
church, right.
Even as adults.

1509
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:01,920
Fine, I'll get up, I'll get the
kids dressed, we'll go to

1510
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:02,920
church.
So be it.

1511
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:05,280
But you shouldn't stay in that
space.

1512
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:06,640
At some point, you should work
ahead.

1513
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:08,480
Anyway, I just wanted to throw
that one out there.

1514
01:22:08,480 --> 01:22:10,040
Ben, I didn't mean to derail
your thoughts.

1515
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:12,640
Here, No, actually here this
here's another fun point about

1516
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,160
that verse eight.
That is the only place where the

1517
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:17,320
word free agency appears.
Yeah.

1518
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:20,600
And we've talked to people talk
about free agency in Mormon

1519
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:24,560
context, or at least they used
to all the time is an

1520
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:28,080
interesting point.
Where did they learn the term it

1521
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,400
was from this.
They may have denied that this

1522
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:34,000
revelation existed for 100
years, but the vernacular was

1523
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:37,680
still being used in everyday
mainstream Mormon context all

1524
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:38,720
the time.
And that's where they got it

1525
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:43,480
from.
Yeah.

1526
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:47,840
Yeah, yeah, it's funny how those
things seem to make a mark, huh?

1527
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:50,280
You right, like, like for
example, we talk about

1528
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:53,080
exaltation all the time, but a
lot of people want to decanonize

1529
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,720
section 132 because they don't
want plural marriage.

1530
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,680
And I'm like, do you realize
that in all of Scripture, the

1531
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:02,480
only place that talks about the
exaltation of the individual to

1532
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:06,720
a state like God or to be A to
to fully receive all that God

1533
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,320
has or any of that, you know
that there's only one place in

1534
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:11,440
all of scripture that talks
about personal exaltation.

1535
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:15,120
It's section 132.
Yep, Yep.

1536
01:23:15,480 --> 01:23:17,400
And, and here's the interesting
thing, right?

1537
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:21,320
And this is what I see a lot
that happens in in various

1538
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:23,240
religious movements, just not
Mormonism.

1539
01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:28,320
People will make a change and
then have to contend with the

1540
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:33,360
unintended consequences, right.
And you get rid of 132.

1541
01:23:33,440 --> 01:23:36,760
You're not just getting rid of
plural marriage, you're getting

1542
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,200
rid of ceilings for time and
eternity.

1543
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:43,920
You are getting rid of those
promises right that that death

1544
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:48,000
and hell cannot touch those if
they're made under the proper

1545
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:51,320
authority in the at the proper
time, in the proper place.

1546
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:55,520
You are getting rid of
exaltation like just go down

1547
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:57,120
the.
Lift and it goes and it goes.

1548
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:59,280
And then The thing is it's a
domino effect.

1549
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:01,240
It cascades all the way down to
the bottom.

1550
01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:04,720
And This is why it says, what
about the new and everlasting

1551
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:07,120
covenant, right?
Because it's all connected.

1552
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:12,440
You, you let the one domino fall
of rejecting that plural

1553
01:24:12,440 --> 01:24:13,640
marriage is a true principle.
At least.

1554
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:15,400
I mean, I understand not
everybody's living it, but like

1555
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:20,920
if you reject God's power to
take Mary as his wife, for

1556
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:24,040
example, then you reject Jesus
coming at all.

1557
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,440
Yeah.
This is something a Catholic

1558
01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:30,280
priest said, some along the
lines of if you, if you reject

1559
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:33,920
Mary, said this Catholic guy,
then you reject the fountain

1560
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:38,280
from whence your redemption
sprang, for which because she

1561
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:42,000
was the mother of God.
And if, if, if Mary's not

1562
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:46,880
important, if Mary didn't
receive the blessing, if Mary

1563
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:49,640
wasn't accepted by the Father,
there's no Son.

1564
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:51,720
Right.
Right.

1565
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:53,760
Like and and and it's the same
thing with all of this.

1566
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:56,880
You reject plural marriage, then
you lose exultation and

1567
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,120
everything all the way down to
the entire Nova W covenant.

1568
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:01,200
Because like I was saying about
priesthood, it's about the

1569
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:04,080
relationship.
All of a sudden now you have

1570
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:08,560
this idea that we can take this
honor unto ourselves and presume

1571
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:12,080
to have a priesthood that isn't
based upon our relationship to

1572
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:16,000
God, but is based instead upon
our ecclesiastical bona fides or

1573
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:17,960
something.
How much does that sound like

1574
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,880
what we condemn in the great
Apostasy that somebody can say,

1575
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:24,120
oh, because of my great
knowledge of the Bible, I now

1576
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:27,600
have authority, right?
Mormonism rejects that.

1577
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:29,920
It's about the covenant
relationship, right?

1578
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:34,080
If, if it was all about that
kind of authority, then God

1579
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:35,880
would never have chosen a boy
like Joseph Smith.

1580
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:43,040
Right.
And so Mormonism, all of it, and

1581
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:46,800
the priesthood and everything we
claim depends upon not letting

1582
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:48,600
the all these dominoes start
falling.

1583
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:52,360
Absolutely.
And yeah, plural marriage is

1584
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:56,920
the, the promise of infinite
increase, a family that never

1585
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:59,760
stops growing.
There's always more wives,

1586
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,520
there's always more children,
there's always more growth.

1587
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:05,960
And if you'll say, well, Gee,
that makes the men sound like

1588
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:08,360
they're left out or two grand
ice, you know, depend on how you

1589
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:12,840
look at it, the Misandrus way or
the, OR the, uh, you know, the

1590
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:15,800
feminist way of looking at, at
the man's role.

1591
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:20,040
Don't forget men also, in my
view of this, they still have to

1592
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:22,920
do the same thing Jesus thought
to be submissive to his father.

1593
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:26,720
And so there's also the
patriarchal order there, which

1594
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:31,040
is the patriarchal ceilings and
the tribes of Israel and the

1595
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:33,440
orders of the priesthood and the
quorums and the quorum

1596
01:26:33,440 --> 01:26:35,480
presidencies and all of those
other hierarchies.

1597
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:39,560
Men also men on men
relationships, men with women

1598
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:43,080
relationships, men and women
with children relationships, and

1599
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:46,160
all of those things increase
infinitely.

1600
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:49,360
Not one of them ever gets to
stop, unless you want it to

1601
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:51,560
stop.
And if you want it to stop, you

1602
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:53,880
give up the blessing there unto
opportunity, which is an eternal

1603
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,000
increase.
Therefore, as it says, Section

1604
01:26:56,760 --> 01:27:00,640
132, therefore you are damned,
for you cannot have an increase.

1605
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:06,280
So I hope to have an abundance
of brothers, sisters, mothers,

1606
01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:11,720
fathers, wives, children, every
single one of these in every

1607
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:13,800
geometric direction you can
imagine.

1608
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:17,440
Counting your numbers is an
Infinity of infinities.

1609
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:23,480
All of them grow forever.
Or if you cut them off then you

1610
01:27:23,480 --> 01:27:28,520
don't have that increase.
Absolutely, 100% good stuff.

1611
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:34,880
OK, last one of the four hidden
revelations is in the Addendum

1612
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:38,720
of the Doctor Covenants 8 or in
the old pamphlet The Four Hidden

1613
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:43,280
revelations #4 but it is found
as Wilfred Woodruff, Revelation

1614
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,920
5 in the restored version
triple.

1615
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:51,440
So Wilfred Order 5.
Now, you guys, you're going to

1616
01:27:51,440 --> 01:27:54,080
figure out really fast why this
one was hidden, why this one was

1617
01:27:54,080 --> 01:28:00,920
rejected.
It says, once again, they're

1618
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:04,600
being asked to sign another
manifesto, just like what

1619
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:07,040
prompted the 1886 revolution.
OK.

1620
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:12,080
And so in November of 1889,
while meeting with lawyers

1621
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:16,360
making these concessions, he
receives this revelation.

1622
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:18,240
Thus saith the Lord to my
servant Wilford.

1623
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:20,640
I, the Lord have heard their
prayers and their request, and

1624
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:22,360
will answer thee by the voice of
my spirit.

1625
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:25,600
Thus saith the Lord unto my
servants, President of my

1626
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,440
church, all the keys of the
Kingdom of God on this earth.

1627
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:30,520
I the Lord, hold the destiny of
the courts in your midst, and

1628
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:34,800
the destiny of this nation and
all nations in Mine own hands.

1629
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:36,920
And all that I've revealed and
promised and decreed.

1630
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:39,040
Concern of the generation which
you live shall come to pass, and

1631
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:42,480
no power shall stay my hand.
So first thing he's telling him

1632
01:28:42,480 --> 01:28:47,640
is OK, you have to understand
I'm still in control.

1633
01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:51,440
Yes, things are bad.
The fiery furnace is over there

1634
01:28:51,480 --> 01:28:54,400
waiting for you to burn you up
and destroy the temples and all

1635
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:57,560
these bad things.
But please have faith.

1636
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:02,360
I still, I, I'm the Lord, I, I,
I'm not powerless here.

1637
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:06,720
I hold the destiny of all
nations in my hand, right?

1638
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:10,240
So that should be comforting.
But then here's where we get

1639
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:13,040
into trouble.
Let not my servants, who are

1640
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,640
called the presence of My
Church, deny My word or My law,

1641
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:17,120
which concerns the salvation of
the children.

1642
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:20,360
In other words, sorry, still
can't deny My law, the

1643
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:22,760
unchangeable law.
Right.

1644
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:25,880
Let them pray for the Holy
Spirit which will be given to

1645
01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:29,160
them to guide them in their acts
and place not yourselves in

1646
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:31,000
jeopardy to your enemies by
promise.

1647
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:38,680
In other words, sorry, but you
cannot issue a manifesto, any

1648
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:41,320
manifesto that would actually
abandoned my law.

1649
01:29:42,440 --> 01:29:45,080
Right.
And so Wilford, what if it

1650
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:49,440
doesn't for himself, but the
people?

1651
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:53,120
I mean, maybe we should turn to
the actual manifesto.

1652
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:57,200
The actual manifesto doesn't say
we're compromising the law of

1653
01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:58,520
God.
It doesn't say that we're

1654
01:29:58,520 --> 01:29:59,960
actually going to be obedient to
it.

1655
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:05,640
It just says that we're going to
advise the church to avoid

1656
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:08,520
breaking the law of the of the
law of the government, right?

1657
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:11,160
That's what it says.
Then we'll give them this

1658
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:15,360
advice.
And I think there was this idea

1659
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:23,240
that maybe this would this
wouldn't be an actual covenant

1660
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:26,520
with death and hell.
This would just be us trying to

1661
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:29,880
be the devil of his own game.
Let's just try to let's just try

1662
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:31,200
to turn down the temperature
here.

1663
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:36,600
How many people are in prison?
We need some excuse to get some

1664
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:38,280
kind of amnesty, some way to
live.

1665
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:43,120
And by this time, the oldest
people had grown so large and it

1666
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:46,840
done so much work, they really
weren't in a great position to

1667
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:50,960
be thrust into another frontier
of new country or conquer some

1668
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,680
new foreign land.
I don't know how well it would

1669
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:57,160
have gone over if they'd tried
to conquer northern Mexico or if

1670
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:59,720
they'd gone to New Zealand or
right.

1671
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:02,720
Like, it's really hard to know
what the else they could have

1672
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:06,720
done.
And so, but here's the danger.

1673
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:09,080
And This is why it's like I
said, it's pretty obvious why

1674
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:11,920
this one's not included.
He says place not yourselves in

1675
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:13,280
jeopardy your enemies by
promise.

1676
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:22,200
You cannot make any promises.
And unfortunately the manifesto

1677
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:25,520
kind of grows bigger beyond its
britches of what it originally

1678
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:28,360
was in 1890, you know like 6
months after this, and

1679
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:31,800
eventually turns into a full on
covenant with death and hell in

1680
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:35,200
my opinion, and a full on
promise to our enemies that we

1681
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:38,160
will abandoned our faith.
Right.

1682
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:42,440
Right now it look, I did those
episodes with Michael Ness on

1683
01:31:42,440 --> 01:31:47,440
post manifesto polygamy and I, I
want to say this.

1684
01:31:47,440 --> 01:31:49,080
You're you're right.
I I'm like you.

1685
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:52,800
I don't hold a lot of contempt
for John Taylor and I've often

1686
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:56,200
said Wilford Woodruff.
Would I say John Taylor?

1687
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:58,600
Sorry, I meant I meant Wilford
Woodruff.

1688
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:01,880
I was going to say though there
there is like I'm one day I'll

1689
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:04,520
write a book about the five
stages of becoming a

1690
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:06,960
fundamentalist.
And one of those stages is,

1691
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:11,160
yeah, one of those stages is he
will develop a white hot

1692
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:14,000
seething hate for Wilford
Woodruff.

1693
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:17,440
And then you'll start getting
more nuanced with your history

1694
01:32:17,440 --> 01:32:20,080
and start looking at it.
And that'll go away.

1695
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:22,920
And then you'll discover Heber J
Grant and Ruben J Clark.

1696
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:25,400
And now start all over again.
For all over again.

1697
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:29,560
Right, right.
But nonetheless, I'm, I'm pretty

1698
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:31,480
sympathetic towards Wilford,
right?

1699
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:35,120
Because you can tell that he's
got no inclination to really

1700
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:37,720
stop the practice, right?
What's the fact he actually

1701
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:41,120
takes a plural life right
manifesto himself?

1702
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:44,720
Right.
And so he's got no plans on

1703
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:51,320
doing this but, and this is the
but, but in some ways he should

1704
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:53,200
have known better than to do
this, right?

1705
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:55,160
I get it.
I get it.

1706
01:32:55,640 --> 01:33:01,560
But the same time this is what
happens, and let's be honest,

1707
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:08,480
right, You start capitulating a
little bit, it's easier to do it

1708
01:33:08,480 --> 01:33:12,360
the second time.
I had a football coach who once

1709
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:15,720
said a great thing, which was
winning is absolutely a habit,

1710
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:20,040
but so is losing.
And momentum can work against

1711
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:22,960
you just as well as it can work
with you.

1712
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:27,960
And some sometimes you find
yourself there because you, you

1713
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:32,120
made one bad decision.
And that would be my, my, my

1714
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:36,760
gentle critique of Wilford here
is that I know this isn't what

1715
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:40,240
you intended, but this is what
this is the unintended

1716
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:43,320
consequence of what?
Of of even signing that a little

1717
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:44,560
bit.
Right.

1718
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:49,000
Of even of even subscribing to
it, even just for expediency or

1719
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:50,800
acting for the temporal
salvation of the church as he

1720
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:53,120
put it, there's still these
terrible consequences.

1721
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:56,560
And I think I think he, he
definitely fell, I mean, from

1722
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:58,880
his own comments, I think he
fell prey to something that I

1723
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:02,160
really fear in Mormon feminism
right now, which is we have this

1724
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:04,280
idea and it's a very dangerous
idea.

1725
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:07,320
I think it's a very positive
idea that the Lord is going to

1726
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:11,600
come and just sort it all out.
And a lot of people feel like,

1727
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:15,960
well, yeah, I know it's not
ideal, but the Lord will come

1728
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:20,320
soon and sort it all out.
And we forget that that might

1729
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:24,000
mean him wiping us out for our
wickedness and disobedience.

1730
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:26,160
OK, It's a great and terrible
day of the Lord.

1731
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:28,800
It's supposed to be terrible in
judgment upon the wicked.

1732
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:33,440
And we seem to think that we'll
be counted among the righteous.

1733
01:34:33,440 --> 01:34:36,480
What makes you so sure?
Why are we so self-righteous?

1734
01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:37,920
Let's assume we're among the
righteous.

1735
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:41,880
And I think that one of the
things that Wilford were to fell

1736
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:44,960
into was this idea that like,
look, we just have to stall

1737
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:47,920
them.
They've sent how many judges,

1738
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:51,040
how many guns, how many people
have died?

1739
01:34:51,480 --> 01:34:53,640
How many people have been
incarcerated?

1740
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:56,840
How many terrible, terrible
things have happened?

1741
01:34:56,840 --> 01:35:01,880
There was a rape in Parowan.
There was, I mean, this wasn't

1742
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:04,440
easygoing.
This was this was existential,

1743
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:06,320
OK?
This was existential.

1744
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:10,840
The Saints were facing absolute
being wiped out by the world.

1745
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:13,800
But the problem is they were
fearing Goliath when they feared

1746
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:15,680
God.
If they were men after the

1747
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:17,320
Lord's own heart like David,
they would say, who is this

1748
01:35:17,320 --> 01:35:20,200
uncircumcised Philistine to defy
the God of Israel?

1749
01:35:20,480 --> 01:35:23,080
You know what I mean?
If, if, if all the Saints that

1750
01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:25,880
had the courage of David, we
would have been like, who are

1751
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:29,240
these unelected judges to
presume to sit in judgement upon

1752
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:32,520
God?
And we would have we would have

1753
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:34,920
had and then the Lord could have
fought our battles.

1754
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:37,400
Then we would have had his
assurances and the Lord is

1755
01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:41,440
trying to encourage him and all
the people don't give in to

1756
01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:44,040
this.
You can fight back.

1757
01:35:44,440 --> 01:35:57,010
You can you can fight back.
And yet they felt like they

1758
01:35:57,010 --> 01:35:59,370
couldn't.
They felt like this compromise

1759
01:35:59,370 --> 01:36:00,970
would work.
And I know that the some people

1760
01:36:00,970 --> 01:36:03,290
with their their stages of grief
in coming to Mormon

1761
01:36:03,290 --> 01:36:06,010
fundamentalism that are angry.
It will for if I've even had

1762
01:36:06,010 --> 01:36:10,240
some people say I bet if he
hadn't allowed that Dang

1763
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:15,840
manifesto to go out, I bet that
the Lord would himself would

1764
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:20,680
have come and fixed this.
Right.

1765
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:26,840
Maybe.
Or, or maybe it just sucks for a

1766
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:28,840
while and then it blows over,
right?

1767
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:31,480
I, I don't know.
I don't know how the Lord

1768
01:36:31,480 --> 01:36:33,320
planned on fixing it.
I don't think it's.

1769
01:36:33,440 --> 01:36:36,440
Such an apostate idea, I think,
for us to wait for God to fix it

1770
01:36:36,440 --> 01:36:39,640
for us when He's already
commanded us to do it and we're

1771
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:42,320
being slothful servants.
This is exactly why I think like

1772
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:45,680
it says in the first of the
foreign revelations we talked

1773
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:51,800
about, which is the Wilfred
Woodruff #4 Is it in the

1774
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:55,920
restored version?
Is that he says, yeah, well for

1775
01:36:56,160 --> 01:37:00,520
is that the Lord warns them, the
judgments begin upon my house.

1776
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:02,760
Yeah.
He's going to clean his own

1777
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:05,800
house first before he cleans
anything else.

1778
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:09,720
And the problem is, is that we
are prone to say, oh, well, God

1779
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:11,760
will sort it out later.
And I'm like, well, what about

1780
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:14,240
your kids?
What about your grandkids?

1781
01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:16,000
If you don't have the
ordinances, if you don't go to

1782
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:18,080
the temple, if you don't have
the fullest of the gospel.

1783
01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:21,160
I mean, this is my critique and
why I couldn't join with

1784
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:26,880
Centennial Park or the FLDS or a
lot of these, a lot of Mormon

1785
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:30,240
feminist groups was I was saying
to them like, but most of you

1786
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:33,440
don't even have your endowments.
Most of you don't have all these

1787
01:37:33,440 --> 01:37:35,080
things.
What makes you think that you're

1788
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:36,920
more righteous just because you
have plural marriage?

1789
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:41,560
There's a lot to it.
It's complicated and, and the

1790
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:45,280
most common answer I got from
them and from everyone else and

1791
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:47,520
for a lot of mainstreamers, when
I'm like, no, we have to go live

1792
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:50,120
these things as they'll say, no,
no, no, I know that Pluto

1793
01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:52,560
marriage is a true principle,
but the Lord will come soon and

1794
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:56,840
he'll sort it all out.
I'm like, don't forget the way

1795
01:37:56,840 --> 01:38:01,280
he might sort it out is to burn
you with the wicked because you

1796
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:03,800
were sitting in the midst of his
house with these commandments

1797
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:07,000
before you.
And you're the one who says I

1798
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:09,840
want these hidden revelations to
remain hidden to my sight.

1799
01:38:10,440 --> 01:38:17,600
I can't accept this.
I won't believe truth is the

1800
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:22,480
truth, and sooner or later God's
going to have to have a people

1801
01:38:22,480 --> 01:38:25,440
who fulfill His law.
If we're going to have Zion, we

1802
01:38:25,440 --> 01:38:30,480
have to be living consecration,
and consecration is yet another

1803
01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:33,480
one of these ways in which we
build relationship.

1804
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:38,200
A consecrated community is a
plural marriage community.

1805
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:42,440
It's all one thing.
It's all one package, the

1806
01:38:42,440 --> 01:38:47,560
celestial law.
And so and so I want to be the

1807
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:51,160
type of people that God says,
oh, look, you already live Zion

1808
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:54,880
just like we live Zion now.
We can all come together in the

1809
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:56,960
second coming.
That's what I think the second

1810
01:38:56,960 --> 01:39:00,640
coming looks like.
And the people who aren't down

1811
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:04,720
for that, they're the ones who
have to get removed so they will

1812
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:07,440
stop harassing those who are
trying to live the gospel.

1813
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:13,400
Yeah, you know, it, You said
something that was interesting,

1814
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:15,920
which is we'll just wait for the
Lord to come back and sort it

1815
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:17,920
out.
Well, he kind of already sorted

1816
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:20,200
it out, right?
We, we have a whole bunch of

1817
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:23,680
instructions on how he sorted it
out, right?

1818
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:28,640
That it's called the Restoration
and, and, and it's all there,

1819
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:32,000
right, Right.
I'll just tell you what, what

1820
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:35,560
I've seen at times.
And this, this runs the gamut of

1821
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:38,240
Mormonism, from the LDS Church
to fundamentalism.

1822
01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:47,040
And it's that so often we are so
scared to offend God because, oh

1823
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:48,520
gosh, we don't want to do it
wrong.

1824
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:50,800
I mean, we'd hate to do it
wrong, right?

1825
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:52,480
We don't try.
At all.

1826
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:53,640
Yeah.
Yeah.

1827
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:55,320
So you just don't try at all,
right?

1828
01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:58,880
And I'm like, there's not a more
apt description of the servant

1829
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:01,280
in the talents that messed it
up, right?

1830
01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:03,720
Well, here's your one talent
back, right?

1831
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:06,560
I didn't do anything with it,
but I preserved it.

1832
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:09,040
But I didn't lose it.
But I didn't lose it.

1833
01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:12,720
I, I, you know, it's right here.
That's, that's not enough,

1834
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:13,720
right?
Right.

1835
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:21,160
Don't try something even like,
OK, in, in, in, in my work life,

1836
01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:25,320
I have, I've had guys because
look, it's big money.

1837
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:29,720
I get it, right?
You know, 300,000 cubic yards of

1838
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:31,600
concrete.
You kind of want to make sure

1839
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:35,360
that's in the right place.
You got to be right, right?

1840
01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:38,720
However, at some point someone's
got to make a decision on where

1841
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:42,040
it goes, right.
And so I've had guys come back

1842
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:46,120
to me at times where they're
like, Dave, I, I didn't get that

1843
01:40:46,120 --> 01:40:47,320
done today.
Well, what happened?

1844
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:50,000
I just didn't want to make a
mistake.

1845
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:56,000
And I've told them all this.
I review all of your data every

1846
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:59,520
night to look for mistakes.
I would rather you make a

1847
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:05,160
mistake then you do nothing at
all, because if you're doing

1848
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:09,400
something that gives me a point
to start from to say it's OK,

1849
01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:11,480
you know what?
This isn't quite right.

1850
01:41:11,480 --> 01:41:12,640
Here's.
Where we messed up?

1851
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:15,640
Here's where we can do better.
Right, we can, we can make a

1852
01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:18,000
plan to fix it.
And I can see how you're working

1853
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:21,000
and thinking through a problem.
And I think the Lord is that way

1854
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:24,800
with his people, right?
Just do something, right.

1855
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:29,320
If you do something and it's not
quite right, look, it's it.

1856
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:32,320
I'm a guy who also has a
testimony that I think most of

1857
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:35,480
the time when the Lord, quote,
smites us, he really doesn't

1858
01:41:35,480 --> 01:41:37,360
smite us.
He just gets out of the way.

1859
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:40,920
So we get the repercussions of
our own bad decisions right.

1860
01:41:41,120 --> 01:41:44,920
He doesn't shield us from those.
I think so often when we're

1861
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:47,320
trying to do the right thing,
when this is in the right place,

1862
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:50,440
your heart and you're trying to
do the right thing.

1863
01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:54,880
If you mess up, I find I find
our father to be very gracious

1864
01:41:55,320 --> 01:42:00,360
and like, not quite right, but
here's how you can fix it and

1865
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:03,160
you better the next time.
We don't have to fear him.

1866
01:42:03,160 --> 01:42:07,280
We must respect him.
We must, we must have a healthy

1867
01:42:07,280 --> 01:42:09,240
respect for him.
But.

1868
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:13,480
But he wants to talk and he
wants us.

1869
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:16,360
Don't think of him as the
boogeyman who's just waiting to

1870
01:42:16,360 --> 01:42:19,040
drop the hammer at the first
time you screw up.

1871
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:22,200
It's been my experience in my
life that when my heart's right

1872
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:26,120
and I screw up, it's a gentler
rebuke.

1873
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:30,480
And it's usually like, OK,
kiddo, yeah, OK, kiddo, let's

1874
01:42:30,480 --> 01:42:31,920
try this again.
Right.

1875
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:35,960
And and so to your point there,
that that we'll just wait for

1876
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:38,280
the Lord to sort it out.
No, He's given us enough that we

1877
01:42:38,280 --> 01:42:41,360
can sort this out.
In fact, what it starts, what it

1878
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:45,040
starts to look like is I know
the Lord's told me what to do,

1879
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:48,120
but I don't want to do it.
And so I'm not going to do it

1880
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:51,720
until He comes and makes is what
it starts looking like.

1881
01:42:52,040 --> 01:42:55,720
And that starts looking, well,
that sounds like open defiance.

1882
01:42:56,200 --> 01:42:59,160
And that's, and I think that's
the dangers that that's kind of

1883
01:42:59,160 --> 01:43:01,000
the way I do see it with the
mainstream LDS church.

1884
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:03,800
They'll say things like, I know
that these revelations were

1885
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:07,880
given, but we don't have to live
those laws today.

1886
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:12,840
We can't live those laws today.
And so it'll be made better in

1887
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:14,200
heaven.
It'll be made better in the next

1888
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:15,480
World.
It'll made better when Jesus

1889
01:43:15,480 --> 01:43:17,680
comes.
And I'm like, do you realize

1890
01:43:17,680 --> 01:43:20,200
what you're basically saying is,
is you're you're daring God to

1891
01:43:20,200 --> 01:43:21,960
kill you.
You're like, I won't do it

1892
01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:23,560
unless you kill me and make me
do it.

1893
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:27,360
I'll do it in the next World.
I'll do it when you come back.

1894
01:43:29,320 --> 01:43:30,240
Sorry.
Yeah.

1895
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:33,000
These are the principles of
eternal life.

1896
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:34,200
Either you love them or you hate
them.

1897
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:36,640
And if you hate them that much,
well, it's not going to make you

1898
01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:37,760
do them.
But you're not going to get the

1899
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:41,120
blessing.
Yep.

1900
01:43:41,440 --> 01:43:43,080
Yep.
No, it's, it's true.

1901
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:47,320
But yeah, I, I think, I think
when we can stop operating out

1902
01:43:47,320 --> 01:43:50,680
of a fear and scarcity
mentality, yeah, we'll, we'll

1903
01:43:50,680 --> 01:43:53,560
absolutely thrive.
But we got to put the fear away

1904
01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:56,000
first.
And just put the fear away and

1905
01:43:56,000 --> 01:44:01,880
recognize that even truths that
you're not ready for, that's OK.

1906
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:05,640
So long as you're always making
yourself ready to move line upon

1907
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:08,960
line, precept closer and closer,
eventually you're going to be

1908
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:11,440
like, I really need something
and it'll work out.

1909
01:44:11,800 --> 01:44:13,080
This reminds me of something I
want to say.

1910
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:18,320
It was Richard's.
Oh, shoot, I'll have to look it

1911
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:19,880
up.
But anyways, there's a place

1912
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:21,960
where he says about the Adam God
doctrine.

1913
01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:25,320
He says, you might say, this
doesn't make any sense to me.

1914
01:44:25,320 --> 01:44:26,680
This doesn't fit in the building
of my faith.

1915
01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:28,600
He said, well, then lay aside
that stone for now.

1916
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:33,680
But if you build your faith, you
the time will come when you will

1917
01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:37,480
find there is no other piece
that will fit or will do.

1918
01:44:38,080 --> 01:44:40,920
And then if you've laid it aside
gently, instead of sort of

1919
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:42,920
chastising yourself for not
being further advanced, or

1920
01:44:43,160 --> 01:44:47,360
instead of rejecting it and
throwing it away, just having it

1921
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:51,840
handy, saying I don't get this,
but it's handy, then there will

1922
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:55,120
come a time in your progress
where nothing else will do and

1923
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:58,120
it will come into its place.
It's the same thing with things

1924
01:44:58,120 --> 01:45:00,040
like plural marriage.
Not everyone's ready for

1925
01:45:00,040 --> 01:45:01,280
marriage, let alone plural
marriage.

1926
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:02,640
Not everyone's ready to
consecrate.

1927
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:05,440
I get that.
Not everyone's ready to have

1928
01:45:05,440 --> 01:45:09,280
these hidden revelations
revealed in their own heart, in

1929
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:14,080
their own mind, but knowing that
they're there, If you're

1930
01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:16,640
humbling yourself for the Lord
and you're progressing, I think

1931
01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:19,400
there will come a time when you
will look at that and say that's

1932
01:45:19,400 --> 01:45:24,600
exactly what I need.
This answers the needs of my

1933
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:26,760
soul, and then it will all come
together.

1934
01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:32,200
Now, of course, you know, if
you're rejecting it, you're just

1935
01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:33,240
rejecting the author of your
being.

1936
01:45:33,240 --> 01:45:34,440
You're rejecting the principles
of life.

1937
01:45:34,440 --> 01:45:36,680
Yeah, you're going to find
yourself having a very tough

1938
01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:39,520
road to follow because then
you're all your sacrifices will

1939
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:44,040
be in vain.
It won't bring blessings because

1940
01:45:44,040 --> 01:45:45,600
we're all going to sacrifice one
way or another.

1941
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:48,720
Whether or not we give our wear
out our lives and give our lives

1942
01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:52,200
for God, whether we wear out and
give our lives for our own

1943
01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:54,320
vanity, we're all going to wear
out and give our lives.

1944
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:57,520
It comes to all of us.
The question is, is is there

1945
01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:01,040
sacrifice in vain or not?
Is it placed in true principles?

1946
01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:03,760
Principles that are always true
no matter what?

1947
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:08,320
Right.
Or who are false gods of our own

1948
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:10,560
vanity, or our ambition, or some
other thing?

1949
01:46:11,800 --> 01:46:14,440
Yep, 100%.
You know, you used a very

1950
01:46:14,440 --> 01:46:17,960
eloquent parable of building a
house.

1951
01:46:18,320 --> 01:46:20,720
I've always said it's like the
toothpick in the Swiss Army

1952
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:23,880
knife.
Right, you're you think this is

1953
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:26,960
useless until you need it.
Until you need it, and it may

1954
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:29,880
not be for a toothpick, you may
need a needle to sew up your,

1955
01:46:29,880 --> 01:46:32,840
you know, cut arm with right and
you're going to really wish you

1956
01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:35,440
had it.
So rather than just throw things

1957
01:46:35,440 --> 01:46:38,200
out, just lay.
There's nothing wrong with

1958
01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:40,480
laying it down going.
I don't know what to do with

1959
01:46:40,480 --> 01:46:45,040
that right now, but it kind of
like came with the kit.

1960
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:47,720
So I better like hold on to it,
right?

1961
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:49,840
Or like you know, the I don't
reject.

1962
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:51,720
It don't throw it away.
You don't have to use it right

1963
01:46:51,720 --> 01:46:53,880
now.
Right, right.

1964
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:56,840
Like the the piece of IKEA
furniture that you have to put

1965
01:46:56,840 --> 01:47:00,800
together and you're like, why do
I need that many washers?

1966
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:04,320
I don't do not understand.
Just lay it, sit, leave it in

1967
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:06,640
the bowl, keep building the
piece of furniture.

1968
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:08,880
You'll find out.
And you'll.

1969
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:12,520
Need it.
But if you just throw it out and

1970
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:15,200
then you build it without it,
it's going to stink when that

1971
01:47:15,200 --> 01:47:18,280
desk comes toppling down with
the expensive computers on it.

1972
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:20,280
And it's the same thing with the
gospel.

1973
01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:23,960
Just 'cause you don't understand
it right now doesn't mean you

1974
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:26,800
won't understand it later.
And just 'cause you don't want

1975
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:29,200
it right now doesn't mean you
won't want it later.

1976
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:32,640
Well, in many cases, the reason
why it doesn't fit too is

1977
01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:34,720
because we are hiding from the
truth.

1978
01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:38,560
We have a lie, maybe lies, a
strong word.

1979
01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:42,320
We have a belief or a tradition
that we think is important.

1980
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:45,080
We think it's probably true.
It's part of the way we do the

1981
01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:47,600
world.
And it doesn't fit with this

1982
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:49,400
other piece.
These things don't play nice

1983
01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:51,320
together.
It's oil and water.

1984
01:47:51,320 --> 01:47:53,320
What do I do?
I don't want to give up the

1985
01:47:53,320 --> 01:47:56,280
tradition that I think is a true
tradition, a good tradition, the

1986
01:47:56,280 --> 01:47:57,880
right thing.
And you're telling me there's

1987
01:47:57,880 --> 01:48:03,440
this other thing and don't fit
the danger there, of course, is,

1988
01:48:03,440 --> 01:48:07,800
is that we we can't just give up
all of our traditions at once.

1989
01:48:08,360 --> 01:48:10,120
We again, it's line up online
personal members.

1990
01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:12,240
We have to learn these things.
I think about like the polygamy

1991
01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:14,000
deniers.
They've been driving me crazy

1992
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:15,800
because they're trying to change
history.

1993
01:48:15,800 --> 01:48:17,960
And but why are they trying to
change history?

1994
01:48:18,520 --> 01:48:21,440
Because it's partly it's
sometimes because they're trying

1995
01:48:21,440 --> 01:48:23,200
to defend something that they
believe is true.

1996
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:29,160
They'll be like, I love my wife
and I hate, I hate the idea of

1997
01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:31,160
betrayal.
I hate the idea of lies.

1998
01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:33,800
I hate the idea of hurting those
I love.

1999
01:48:34,720 --> 01:48:37,000
And I think the polygamy would
do all those things.

2000
01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:40,160
Therefore, I reject polygamy
because I love my wife.

2001
01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:43,760
Well, the the dangerous thing
here is, is that so much of our

2002
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:46,080
life is like that where God's
like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

2003
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:49,560
I'm not telling you to reject
love in order to accept.

2004
01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:54,680
I want you to, I want you to
love and have mercy.

2005
01:48:54,680 --> 01:48:56,960
And all of those are good, true
principles.

2006
01:48:57,440 --> 01:49:00,120
But these good two principles
apparently seem to contradict

2007
01:49:00,120 --> 01:49:01,880
something else that someone's
telling me is a true principle.

2008
01:49:01,880 --> 01:49:05,000
It's like, whoa, whoa, wait
until it comes into its proper

2009
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:07,120
place.
Well, in many cases, that comes

2010
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:11,920
into our lives as polygamous
only when the right person at

2011
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:15,040
the right time is sent by God by
revelation.

2012
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:20,640
And then we know, oh, rejecting
plural marriage in that

2013
01:49:20,640 --> 01:49:24,640
instance, like when you took a
plural wife, you would you have

2014
01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:27,160
this, you have this place where
you come to where it's like,

2015
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:30,840
this isn't about rejecting my
first, my other wife.

2016
01:49:31,200 --> 01:49:35,240
This is about now it's her turn.
Am I going to throw her out in

2017
01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:37,920
the cold?
Am I going to reject her?

2018
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:39,360
Am I going to say you're
unworthy?

2019
01:49:39,480 --> 01:49:42,640
You don't count, your needs
don't matter anymore because I

2020
01:49:42,640 --> 01:49:44,920
already had no.
And then you start realizing,

2021
01:49:44,920 --> 01:49:46,920
wait a second.
The principle of love is the

2022
01:49:46,920 --> 01:49:50,400
principle of plural marriage.
You just people.

2023
01:49:50,720 --> 01:49:53,000
And so people will say, well,
I'm going to reject our marriage

2024
01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:54,520
because I think it conflicts
with love.

2025
01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:57,360
Oh boy.
They just don't understand why?

2026
01:49:57,640 --> 01:49:59,160
Because it's not the right time
yet.

2027
01:49:59,160 --> 01:50:03,040
It's not the right place yet.
How would they feel if they were

2028
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:05,880
approaching God and God was
like, sorry, heaven's full, no

2029
01:50:05,880 --> 01:50:10,520
vacancy, get out of here, right?
That would be terrible.

2030
01:50:10,520 --> 01:50:12,280
It's the same thing in our
families, the same thing in all

2031
01:50:12,280 --> 01:50:14,480
these principles.
It has to be the right time.

2032
01:50:14,480 --> 01:50:16,360
It has to be the right place.
It has to fit in the right

2033
01:50:16,360 --> 01:50:19,320
place.
This is why I don't recommend

2034
01:50:19,320 --> 01:50:20,520
people rush into plural
marriage.

2035
01:50:20,840 --> 01:50:24,360
Too often people think I'm
excited about this new thing I

2036
01:50:24,360 --> 01:50:26,080
read about, You're excited about
this new thing I read about.

2037
01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:29,360
Let's all just go do it and you
don't realize might not be what

2038
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:32,760
God wanted and then it all goes
to hell.

2039
01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:38,040
Yes, yes, yes, you know,
absolutely.

2040
01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:40,800
And and you know, that's what
I've told people that have

2041
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:43,000
started to flirt with
fundamentalism a lot.

2042
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:46,480
It's like, look, you're going to
hear some stuff and then you're

2043
01:50:46,480 --> 01:50:50,880
going to see some stuff, but
just know your walk is your own.

2044
01:50:51,720 --> 01:50:55,040
Yeah.
And anybody who doesn't have

2045
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:58,360
your back during your walk,
right?

2046
01:50:59,200 --> 01:51:01,840
Your friends who can honestly
see you're working through

2047
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:04,360
things, right?
If they don't have your back,

2048
01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:08,840
that's a pretty good indication
that they don't really care for

2049
01:51:08,840 --> 01:51:13,880
you that much, right?
And, and so take it slow, right?

2050
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:19,080
Learn things, listen, watch, and
the Lord will let you know when

2051
01:51:19,080 --> 01:51:22,840
you're ready, when you're ready.
You don't have to worry about

2052
01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:24,680
anything else.
Work with it.

2053
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:26,840
But again, maybe you'll never.
Maybe you're never.

2054
01:51:26,840 --> 01:51:28,240
You're never as ready as you
think you are.

2055
01:51:28,640 --> 01:51:30,840
He's not passed away.
I can say his name, but there's

2056
01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:35,680
a guy named Bill Olson.
Who, Yeah, who, who was like, I

2057
01:51:35,680 --> 01:51:37,960
read all the stuff.
I read all the general

2058
01:51:37,960 --> 01:51:40,120
discourses.
I read all these uncanned as

2059
01:51:40,120 --> 01:51:42,880
revelations.
I man, I was like, I am so ready

2060
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:44,880
for this.
And when it was when he was

2061
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:47,760
first entering plural marriage
and taking his first plural

2062
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:49,840
wife, right?
He was already married, but he

2063
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:52,360
was taking a plural wife.
He was like, I know what I'm

2064
01:51:52,360 --> 01:51:54,840
doing.
I'm I'm so grateful that I know

2065
01:51:54,840 --> 01:51:57,080
what I'm doing.
And he's like, I knew nothing.

2066
01:51:57,640 --> 01:52:01,040
I knew nothing.
Nope, Nope.

2067
01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:04,200
That is so true.
Look, look, we can.

2068
01:52:04,200 --> 01:52:07,920
Only learn this by doing this.
Yes, look, whether you're

2069
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:10,520
getting married for your first
time or your fifth time, I

2070
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:13,520
promise you it'll be you're not
really ready, right?

2071
01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:16,080
Because it's always going to be
a little bit different because

2072
01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:20,400
the people involved are a little
bit different and and you're

2073
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:22,520
going to have to figure it out.
That's a good thing.

2074
01:52:22,520 --> 01:52:24,880
That is, that is something else
principle.

2075
01:52:25,320 --> 01:52:26,880
Yeah.
And and that's something I've

2076
01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:28,680
told people.
It's like sometimes you just got

2077
01:52:28,680 --> 01:52:30,040
to learn how to embrace the
second.

2078
01:52:30,040 --> 01:52:35,080
Enjoy the journey, even even
when it's tough, right?

2079
01:52:35,080 --> 01:52:36,720
Because that's where the growth
is happening.

2080
01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:39,840
Enjoy the process of getting
there as well.

2081
01:52:41,080 --> 01:52:43,320
And so, yeah, the dangerous
thing, you know, the dangerous

2082
01:52:43,320 --> 01:52:45,320
thing is, is if you read the
Book of Mormon and you think

2083
01:52:45,320 --> 01:52:48,840
this is of God and you read the
doctor comments, you think this

2084
01:52:48,840 --> 01:52:51,280
is of God, and you then you
believe that Justin was called

2085
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:54,320
of God.
The danger is, is that too often

2086
01:52:54,320 --> 01:52:57,640
we think I can have a little bit
of this and not that I can make

2087
01:52:57,640 --> 01:53:00,080
Joseph Smith parrot what I
wanted him to say.

2088
01:53:00,480 --> 01:53:03,280
I can keep my traditions.
Not exactly.

2089
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:07,520
Hard truths are coming for
everybody.

2090
01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:10,360
In fact, really a spiritual life
is a life of sacrifice.

2091
01:53:10,360 --> 01:53:14,120
And you'll find this in all
faiths, a truly spirit filled

2092
01:53:14,120 --> 01:53:17,040
life is going to be life of
sacrifice even.

2093
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:20,080
And I would say that that's even
true and I still think it's even

2094
01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:22,640
God working in it for many other
faiths.

2095
01:53:23,480 --> 01:53:26,280
A man, a man in the Catholic
Church who becomes a celibate

2096
01:53:26,280 --> 01:53:29,120
priest, who's dedicated his life
to God is going to receive from

2097
01:53:29,120 --> 01:53:33,600
God an outpouring of the Spirit
so that he can lead people right

2098
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:36,760
to do good.
And it in in measure with his

2099
01:53:36,760 --> 01:53:38,880
the sacrifice he's making, he's
making huge sacrifice.

2100
01:53:39,200 --> 01:53:41,200
And whenever we receive in
Western rabbits by being this

2101
01:53:41,200 --> 01:53:43,920
law, which is predicated every
time he fulfills one of those

2102
01:53:43,920 --> 01:53:46,840
laws, he's going to receive the
blessing, right?

2103
01:53:46,920 --> 01:53:49,080
And how do you do that
sacrifice?

2104
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:55,560
It's through sacrifice.
And so the danger of there's a

2105
01:53:55,560 --> 01:53:58,080
big danger in taking the all or
nothing approach that I have to

2106
01:53:58,080 --> 01:54:00,360
sacrifice all things, which
means I have to sacrifice all

2107
01:54:00,360 --> 01:54:03,200
things right now.
It's true, overwhelming can't do

2108
01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:04,000
it.
So I'm going to sacrifice

2109
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:06,480
nothing and go pursue the things
of the world.

2110
01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:09,040
Not a good plan.
It's not.

2111
01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:13,400
It is line upon line.
And so to have more revelation

2112
01:54:13,400 --> 01:54:17,000
revealed to us, we have to have
built the good foundation first.

2113
01:54:17,640 --> 01:54:20,960
So I think I like your advice.
It's like the it's like the

2114
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:22,440
multi tool.
It's like the Swiss army knife.

2115
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:28,160
Yes, the fullness of the
restored gospel as found in the

2116
01:54:28,160 --> 01:54:30,320
scriptures, especially an
expanded set, right?

2117
01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:33,840
You can't pick and choose.
It's all in there.

2118
01:54:34,360 --> 01:54:37,480
You got to accept that the whole
kit is here and bring the whole

2119
01:54:37,480 --> 01:54:39,840
kit with you.
That doesn't mean you need to

2120
01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:44,520
use every tool.
When you thought, wait for the

2121
01:54:44,520 --> 01:54:50,240
Lord to reveal when to use each
tool, when to build each part of

2122
01:54:50,240 --> 01:54:53,880
the house, and then eventually
it'll come together and then

2123
01:54:53,880 --> 01:54:56,000
you'll be grateful that you
didn't throw away half the tool

2124
01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:59,320
set.
And This is why it's sad that

2125
01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:03,840
these hidden revelations were
hidden and lied about, because

2126
01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:08,200
then when people do want those
tools, when they needed those

2127
01:55:08,200 --> 01:55:12,280
tools, they find themselves
bereft of the tool that they

2128
01:55:12,280 --> 01:55:14,000
needed.
And it causes great suffering

2129
01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:16,600
like it did for that one woman
you mentioned, right?

2130
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:20,200
Who they were at odds, that they
were terribly at odds with their

2131
01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:23,400
own family, tearing them apart
because he said this is a true

2132
01:55:23,400 --> 01:55:24,840
revelation from God.
And they said, no.

2133
01:55:24,840 --> 01:55:27,840
My church told me that's fake.
It's a lie.

2134
01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:31,960
It never existed.
You guys made-up this up.

2135
01:55:32,040 --> 01:55:34,240
It's a complete lie.
It's a fabrication.

2136
01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:38,120
And then they couldn't, they
couldn't just have a difference

2137
01:55:38,120 --> 01:55:40,440
of opinion that a difference of
facts.

2138
01:55:41,240 --> 01:55:43,360
And that is so much more
dangerous.

2139
01:55:44,040 --> 01:55:46,560
Yep, Yep.
Yeah.

2140
01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:51,560
No, I agree with you totally.
And look for the first time in a

2141
01:55:51,560 --> 01:55:56,840
very, very long time, not just
because of of of the restored

2142
01:55:56,840 --> 01:55:59,360
version that that Drew has put
together.

2143
01:55:59,960 --> 01:56:01,920
You can find these in a bunch of
different places.

2144
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:04,520
I can't encourage you enough to
go get those scriptures.

2145
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:06,640
Well, in fact, that's kind of
the interesting thing to note,

2146
01:56:06,640 --> 01:56:09,040
right?
Of this whole printing project

2147
01:56:09,400 --> 01:56:13,280
was just a way to try to get it
into a a usable form, a more

2148
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:15,480
useful format and easier to
carry format.

2149
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:18,080
Nothing in here is like new in
that sense.

2150
01:56:18,080 --> 01:56:20,880
All of this is stuff you can
find if you're searching for it.

2151
01:56:21,640 --> 01:56:22,560
Right.
Absolutely.

2152
01:56:23,280 --> 01:56:26,120
But never before have we had
greater access to all those

2153
01:56:26,120 --> 01:56:27,880
things, right?
Yeah.

2154
01:56:27,920 --> 01:56:31,720
And it would, Yeah, it's, it's
just more convenient now.

2155
01:56:31,720 --> 01:56:34,960
So I can't recommend the the
restored version highly enough

2156
01:56:34,960 --> 01:56:39,360
for folks who want to get back
to to kind of the, the OG way of

2157
01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:41,280
doing things in the in the
Mormon hood.

2158
01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:47,840
But you're going to want to have
in one form or another, access

2159
01:56:47,840 --> 01:56:51,160
to those revelations.
And look, if you read it and it

2160
01:56:51,160 --> 01:56:56,040
feels repulsive to you, that's
OK.

2161
01:56:56,200 --> 01:57:00,280
That's what these are new things
to you and you, you know it's

2162
01:57:00,280 --> 01:57:04,440
going to happen.
My my advice would be sit with

2163
01:57:04,440 --> 01:57:08,240
it, set it aside, but don't
scrap it.

2164
01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:10,920
Because you're going to want
that part of the kit and that

2165
01:57:10,920 --> 01:57:13,280
it's not a part of the kit you
want to use right now and you

2166
01:57:13,280 --> 01:57:15,360
don't understand how to use it.
Give it time.

2167
01:57:16,240 --> 01:57:19,240
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
And then when you need it the

2168
01:57:19,240 --> 01:57:23,400
most, it will be at at, at your
availability.

2169
01:57:23,800 --> 01:57:27,480
And having it available to you
will make all the difference in

2170
01:57:27,480 --> 01:57:29,200
the world I.
Suppose The thing is, is I

2171
01:57:29,200 --> 01:57:31,160
wanted to do this overview
because I really want to talk

2172
01:57:31,160 --> 01:57:33,600
about what is it about
revelation that is hidden from

2173
01:57:33,600 --> 01:57:35,840
us.
It isn't just outside being

2174
01:57:35,840 --> 01:57:38,120
hidden from us.
It's our own hearts not wanting

2175
01:57:38,120 --> 01:57:40,400
to see the place where we have
to sacrifice.

2176
01:57:40,760 --> 01:57:43,600
In fact, I'd say that probably
the most important revelation in

2177
01:57:43,600 --> 01:57:46,200
each of our lives is the one we
don't want to see, right?

2178
01:57:47,120 --> 01:57:49,960
If we're going to progress, it's
that one that's like, oh, but I

2179
01:57:49,960 --> 01:57:52,800
don't want to have to do that.
I don't want to take that leap.

2180
01:57:53,480 --> 01:57:55,480
That's probably the, that's the
pinch point.

2181
01:57:56,280 --> 01:57:58,360
It is probably the key to your
progress.

2182
01:57:59,200 --> 01:58:03,360
Unfortunately, that's a
difficult reason, but we kind of

2183
01:58:03,360 --> 01:58:05,200
did an overview.
I wanted to talk, I talk about

2184
01:58:05,200 --> 01:58:07,040
the context, not really the
revelations.

2185
01:58:07,080 --> 01:58:11,960
I would hope that in your series
you do probably shorter than

2186
01:58:11,960 --> 01:58:14,840
this, but you do an episode on
each revelation, including each

2187
01:58:14,840 --> 01:58:17,880
of these as their own episode,
because each revelation is

2188
01:58:17,880 --> 01:58:21,640
filled with insight, right?
I mean, partly it's like, let's

2189
01:58:21,640 --> 01:58:24,360
just go in there, sequential
scripture teaching, identify the

2190
01:58:24,360 --> 01:58:27,240
principles.
There's something that I

2191
01:58:27,240 --> 01:58:31,080
presented for the Restoration
Torah conference a few years

2192
01:58:31,080 --> 01:58:35,560
ago, which was what is exegesis?
In other words, how do we

2193
01:58:36,440 --> 01:58:38,800
understand the scripture and
pull truth out of it?

2194
01:58:39,600 --> 01:58:45,000
So, you know, I give, I, I give
some tools for a Mormon version

2195
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:46,920
of exegesis.
There's a Protestant way of

2196
01:58:46,920 --> 01:58:48,640
doing exegesis.
There's a Catholic way of doing

2197
01:58:48,640 --> 01:58:51,520
exegesis.
There's a, a Jewish way of doing

2198
01:58:51,520 --> 01:58:54,320
exegesis.
I was like, we are our own

2199
01:58:54,320 --> 01:58:56,280
Mormon method.
So I made a Mormon method of

2200
01:58:56,280 --> 01:59:02,320
eight steps of exegesis.
We should do that for all these

2201
01:59:02,320 --> 01:59:04,120
because they're new revelations
to us.

2202
01:59:04,120 --> 01:59:08,280
In many, in many cases, yes.
I've read most of these that are

2203
01:59:08,280 --> 01:59:11,280
in the restored version.
I've read most of them already,

2204
01:59:12,120 --> 01:59:15,800
but going through them and
really digging in deep is

2205
01:59:15,800 --> 01:59:18,360
something that we all need to do
because now it's successful, we

2206
01:59:18,360 --> 01:59:20,120
are left with that excuse.
We should learn.

2207
01:59:20,360 --> 01:59:21,520
We should learn these
principles, right?

2208
01:59:22,520 --> 01:59:25,080
So I hope you'll do that.
And I just want to make those

2209
01:59:25,080 --> 01:59:26,560
points.
I guess the last thing I'd like

2210
01:59:26,560 --> 01:59:30,640
to end with then is let's end
with the end of the last of the

2211
01:59:30,640 --> 01:59:34,960
four hidden revelations.
All right, So what I really like

2212
01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:40,200
to end on is the end of the 4th,
the 4th hidden revelation.

2213
01:59:40,280 --> 01:59:43,880
It is the revelation to Wilford
Woodruff in 1889, right?

2214
01:59:44,680 --> 01:59:49,440
This is Wilford Woodruff five in
the restored version of triple.

2215
01:59:50,280 --> 01:59:54,520
Because I think that this really
is the kind of comfort that I

2216
01:59:54,520 --> 01:59:58,000
get from these revelations and
it really tells me a lot in that

2217
01:59:58,000 --> 02:00:02,120
context.
The Lord says I cannot deny my

2218
02:00:02,120 --> 02:00:05,200
word, neither in blessings nor
judgments.

2219
02:00:07,720 --> 02:00:09,880
I, the Lord, will deliver my
Saints from the dominion of the

2220
02:00:09,880 --> 02:00:11,600
wicked in my own due time and
way.

2221
02:00:12,960 --> 02:00:15,200
Therefore let mine anointed gird
up their loins.

2222
02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:18,400
Watch and be sober and keep my
commandments.

2223
02:00:19,480 --> 02:00:23,360
Pray always and faint not.
Exercise faith in the Lord and

2224
02:00:23,360 --> 02:00:26,600
in the promises of God.
Be valiant in the testimony of

2225
02:00:26,600 --> 02:00:30,560
Jesus Christ and the eyes of the
Lord and the heavenly hosts are

2226
02:00:30,560 --> 02:00:34,280
watching over you and your acts.
Therefore, be faithful until I

2227
02:00:34,280 --> 02:00:38,640
come, and I come quickly to
reward every man according to

2228
02:00:38,640 --> 02:00:43,920
the deeds done in the body.
Even so, Amen, the Lord's with

2229
02:00:43,920 --> 02:00:46,000
us.
That's the reminder that I get

2230
02:00:46,520 --> 02:00:49,120
from these revelations.
When I first found out about

2231
02:00:49,120 --> 02:00:53,240
them, I was filled with joy, so
excited to know that the heavens

2232
02:00:53,240 --> 02:00:57,160
were not sealed, that there was
more revelation, there was more

2233
02:00:57,160 --> 02:00:59,480
scripture, there was more light,
more truth, more knowledge.

2234
02:01:01,360 --> 02:01:03,840
And I've gained A testimony.
There's always more light.

2235
02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:06,640
There's always more truth,
There's always more knowledge.

2236
02:01:07,920 --> 02:01:10,320
It will not cease, not for the
eternities to come.

2237
02:01:10,920 --> 02:01:14,560
Millions upon millions of years,
and a new revelation will be

2238
02:01:14,600 --> 02:01:17,600
revealed to you and will no
longer be hidden to you.

2239
02:01:17,600 --> 02:01:19,720
And those mysteries will no
longer be hidden, but instead

2240
02:01:19,720 --> 02:01:21,120
your knowledge will expand,
right?

2241
02:01:21,120 --> 02:01:25,240
That's eternal progression.
That's what this promise to the

2242
02:01:25,240 --> 02:01:27,800
faithful, which means there's
always going to be more.

2243
02:01:28,960 --> 02:01:31,400
Yeah.
And, and I think that it's

2244
02:01:31,400 --> 02:01:33,000
hidden because people don't want
it.

2245
02:01:33,400 --> 02:01:36,520
When I first published eight of
these sections in the addendum

2246
02:01:36,520 --> 02:01:41,480
of the Doctrine Covenants, I had
people, lots of mainstream LDS

2247
02:01:41,480 --> 02:01:44,000
people that I'd say, did you
know, there's more scripture,

2248
02:01:44,240 --> 02:01:46,160
there's more revelations.
Isn't that awesome?

2249
02:01:47,480 --> 02:01:51,680
And I was surprised that the
most common reaction was more,

2250
02:01:52,680 --> 02:01:56,280
do I have to read more?
I already don't read the ones we

2251
02:01:56,280 --> 02:01:57,840
have.
I don't want more.

2252
02:01:59,200 --> 02:02:02,480
And I realized that type of
reaction being the most common

2253
02:02:02,480 --> 02:02:05,720
reaction I got even when I was
in the mainstream alias church.

2254
02:02:05,720 --> 02:02:07,280
And I started to read about
these things.

2255
02:02:07,640 --> 02:02:11,680
It shocked me because I thought,
why wouldn't you want more

2256
02:02:11,680 --> 02:02:14,080
light, more truth, more
knowledge, more blessings?

2257
02:02:15,320 --> 02:02:20,360
And that's why so many things
remain hidden to us, right?

2258
02:02:21,040 --> 02:02:23,680
So often we're like, look, I'm
worn out.

2259
02:02:24,200 --> 02:02:26,160
I have enough.
I'm not ready for more.

2260
02:02:26,160 --> 02:02:31,120
And if so, I think that that's
OK so long as your break is you

2261
02:02:31,120 --> 02:02:34,400
taking a deep breath so that you
can plunge in deeper, not so

2262
02:02:34,400 --> 02:02:38,720
that you can get comfortable in
your in your worldview without

2263
02:02:38,720 --> 02:02:39,880
knowing the fullness of the
truth.

2264
02:02:42,040 --> 02:02:48,920
No, I agree and look again.
I think your religion should

2265
02:02:48,920 --> 02:02:50,880
always challenge you.
Right.

2266
02:02:50,880 --> 02:02:52,400
If it's not challenging you,
what's it good for?

2267
02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:55,080
Right.
What's it good for if it doesn't

2268
02:02:55,080 --> 02:02:57,800
challenge you?
If it doesn't make you a little

2269
02:02:57,800 --> 02:02:59,640
bit uncomfortable from time to
time?

2270
02:02:59,840 --> 02:03:02,800
Sometimes a lot.
You're not doing it right.

2271
02:03:02,800 --> 02:03:04,640
I hate to break it to you that
way, right?

2272
02:03:05,040 --> 02:03:09,040
It would be, and again I
apologize, kind of a meathead,

2273
02:03:09,200 --> 02:03:12,760
but it's like going to the gym
and you've been lifting the same

2274
02:03:12,760 --> 02:03:15,480
5 LB weight that you have been
since you were in high school.

2275
02:03:15,720 --> 02:03:19,520
Where's the benefit?
You can say you went to the gym,

2276
02:03:19,520 --> 02:03:22,680
I guess that's good, right?
You kept moving, that's good.

2277
02:03:23,280 --> 02:03:25,920
But if you're going to be there,
you might as well get the

2278
02:03:25,920 --> 02:03:29,480
maximum effect.
Get progress mate.

2279
02:03:29,480 --> 02:03:31,080
Make progress.
Do something.

2280
02:03:32,160 --> 02:03:34,560
Yes, yes.
And if it overloads you for a

2281
02:03:34,560 --> 02:03:36,520
while, great, you hit your
limit.

2282
02:03:36,760 --> 02:03:40,200
Now you get to take a breath and
you get to go back and do it

2283
02:03:40,200 --> 02:03:42,240
again.
And that's a good thing.

2284
02:03:42,640 --> 02:03:47,520
And, and because Mormons are
goal driven, we're we're goal

2285
02:03:47,520 --> 02:03:48,960
oriented.
We really are, right?

2286
02:03:48,960 --> 02:03:51,120
We're shooting.
We're shooting for a thing.

2287
02:03:51,120 --> 02:03:53,320
And that is good.
We should, we should be that

2288
02:03:53,320 --> 02:03:55,800
way.
But sometimes I don't think we

2289
02:03:55,800 --> 02:03:58,960
give the journey enough credit,
right?

2290
02:03:59,120 --> 02:04:02,720
Sometimes I think we become so
fixated on the goal that we

2291
02:04:02,720 --> 02:04:06,840
miss, we miss the lessons that
we're supposed to take from

2292
02:04:06,840 --> 02:04:09,520
getting there.
And we have to be.

2293
02:04:09,880 --> 02:04:13,040
And often times those are
uncomfortable, but none the

2294
02:04:13,040 --> 02:04:15,720
less, those are, those are great
times.

2295
02:04:15,720 --> 02:04:20,000
I if we look back, at least
myself, if I look back at the

2296
02:04:20,000 --> 02:04:23,800
times I was most challenged,
man, those were the times I had

2297
02:04:23,800 --> 02:04:26,760
the most, most growth.
And sometimes I look back on

2298
02:04:26,760 --> 02:04:29,760
that and go, well, it kind of
sucked in the moment, But man, I

2299
02:04:29,760 --> 02:04:32,600
wish I could go back.
I wish I could do it again,

2300
02:04:33,320 --> 02:04:35,440
right?
So embrace it.

2301
02:04:35,440 --> 02:04:38,320
Don't just don't just shun it
because it makes you feel

2302
02:04:38,320 --> 02:04:40,400
uncomfortable.
It's OK to be uncomfortable.

2303
02:04:40,600 --> 02:04:43,320
And that's why I read that part.
You know, don't be afraid,

2304
02:04:43,360 --> 02:04:44,960
right?
The Lord is with us.

2305
02:04:45,480 --> 02:04:50,160
He may not be able to deny his
word, but he will deliver us.

2306
02:04:51,120 --> 02:04:56,680
And if we have faith in the
Lord, in the promises of God,

2307
02:04:57,800 --> 02:05:00,800
makes life easier, not harder.
I know that it feels like it's

2308
02:05:00,800 --> 02:05:03,120
making it harder when we have to
make a sacrifice, but in the

2309
02:05:03,120 --> 02:05:09,160
end, it's worth it.
It's worth it to not throw

2310
02:05:09,160 --> 02:05:10,120
things out.
Don't.

2311
02:05:10,520 --> 02:05:13,800
You don't know what's baby and
what's bathwater at first.

2312
02:05:14,160 --> 02:05:16,320
You don't know which tools
you're going to need.

2313
02:05:16,320 --> 02:05:19,040
So don't start throwing tools
away out of your toolbox.

2314
02:05:20,160 --> 02:05:21,760
You might never know when you're
going to need it.

2315
02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:27,440
So just yeah, let's have faith
instead of fear about new

2316
02:05:27,440 --> 02:05:30,840
revelations.
They are happy, absolutely.

2317
02:05:32,560 --> 02:05:36,600
Absolutely.
Well, Ben, that was good stuff,

2318
02:05:36,600 --> 02:05:39,160
my man.
Yeah, it's great to chat.

2319
02:05:39,160 --> 02:05:42,160
I I hope that people stuck with
us all the way through that.

2320
02:05:42,160 --> 02:05:43,000
It was rather long.
It's.

2321
02:05:44,040 --> 02:05:45,960
All right, We're we're only a
couple hours in.

2322
02:05:46,280 --> 02:05:47,480
Yeah, I was.
Going to say a couple hours,

2323
02:05:47,480 --> 02:05:49,720
pretty long episode.
I know I've listened to some of

2324
02:05:49,720 --> 02:05:51,080
your episodes that are even
longer.

2325
02:05:51,080 --> 02:05:54,840
But yeah, you know, yes, most of
us have a very short attention

2326
02:05:54,840 --> 02:05:56,640
span these days, so.
They do.

2327
02:05:56,680 --> 02:05:59,720
They do, yes.
Yes, you know people said that

2328
02:05:59,720 --> 02:06:02,920
early on, right?
That with with two 3-4 hours

2329
02:06:02,920 --> 02:06:04,760
worth of conversation you'll
lose people.

2330
02:06:05,920 --> 02:06:08,520
But funny thing is I actually
found people that were hungry

2331
02:06:08,520 --> 02:06:11,840
for that right.
And look, good luck on tearing

2332
02:06:11,840 --> 02:06:14,320
anything apart in Mormonism in
45 minutes.

2333
02:06:14,800 --> 02:06:16,160
It just.
Doesn't exist, right?

2334
02:06:16,320 --> 02:06:17,840
They call the steep doctrine for
a reason.

2335
02:06:18,120 --> 02:06:22,760
If we're if we're really going
to go through all of these new

2336
02:06:22,760 --> 02:06:25,360
sections these all these
revelations we haven't had

2337
02:06:25,360 --> 02:06:28,080
before and we're going to
perform proper exegesis on them.

2338
02:06:28,640 --> 02:06:30,960
There is a wealth of information
there.

2339
02:06:31,080 --> 02:06:36,320
In fact, so much information in
these revelations that we may

2340
02:06:36,320 --> 02:06:40,040
never fully exhausted the same
way that in the Bible there is

2341
02:06:40,040 --> 02:06:43,320
so much information we have not
come close to fully exhausting

2342
02:06:43,720 --> 02:06:46,160
the amount of knowledge, light
and truth we can get from fully

2343
02:06:46,160 --> 02:06:48,600
understanding.
It's the same thing with these

2344
02:06:48,600 --> 02:06:51,160
revelations.
All the revelations of God are

2345
02:06:51,160 --> 02:06:54,680
deep in symbolism, in meaning,
in principles.

2346
02:06:55,520 --> 02:06:59,680
Even very esoteric things are
hidden within them.

2347
02:07:00,240 --> 02:07:04,080
And so, yeah, the the deeper you
dig, the more jewels you will

2348
02:07:04,080 --> 02:07:09,120
find, the more you'll find that
Pearl of great price for which a

2349
02:07:09,120 --> 02:07:11,880
man gave all that he had that he
might obtain it right.

2350
02:07:12,280 --> 02:07:14,640
And so that's, that's what I
believe about the Scriptures.

2351
02:07:14,640 --> 02:07:17,120
And these are scriptures.
These revelations are from God.

2352
02:07:17,600 --> 02:07:21,440
And as such, it is worth selling
all that you possess that you

2353
02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:23,560
might obtain that Pearl of great
price.

2354
02:07:25,120 --> 02:07:26,760
Is that hard?
Yes, it is hard.

2355
02:07:26,760 --> 02:07:29,960
But like the rich young ruler
that Jesus spoke to, Jesus

2356
02:07:29,960 --> 02:07:35,160
offered him a greater treasure
that all that he possessed, but

2357
02:07:35,160 --> 02:07:38,840
he when he couldn't see it, he
went away sorrowing because he

2358
02:07:38,840 --> 02:07:42,600
thought, why would I sacrifice
all of this?

2359
02:07:42,680 --> 02:07:45,280
I have so much good.
Why would I sacrifice all of

2360
02:07:45,280 --> 02:07:47,000
this?
I can't sacrifice all of this.

2361
02:07:48,280 --> 02:07:50,440
But how much better off would he
have been if he had?

2362
02:07:51,520 --> 02:07:54,720
His substance is perished.
The rich young ruler is long

2363
02:07:54,720 --> 02:07:58,520
since dead, and he is remembered
only as someone who had a chance

2364
02:07:58,520 --> 02:08:02,240
and missed out on becoming one
of the apostles of the Lord

2365
02:08:02,240 --> 02:08:09,000
Jesus Christ.
Yeah, so the sacrifice is worth

2366
02:08:09,000 --> 02:08:11,280
it.
It's just hard to see that at

2367
02:08:11,280 --> 02:08:12,880
first.
It's just so hard to see that.

2368
02:08:12,880 --> 02:08:15,720
It's like, no, I'm not giving up
all this good, all this good

2369
02:08:15,720 --> 02:08:19,440
stuff.
Don't look at the totality of

2370
02:08:19,440 --> 02:08:20,560
the work.
Just start.

2371
02:08:21,480 --> 02:08:23,520
Yeah, just start, right.
Don't.

2372
02:08:23,520 --> 02:08:27,800
Don't think about the
dauntingness, the how daunting.

2373
02:08:27,960 --> 02:08:29,000
It was like he.
Did.

2374
02:08:29,720 --> 02:08:32,560
Yeah, don't, don't do that.
Just start taking bites at it

2375
02:08:32,960 --> 02:08:37,760
and it'll all come to be.
But then this was excellent

2376
02:08:37,760 --> 02:08:39,400
stuff.
I'm glad we did it.

2377
02:08:39,440 --> 02:08:43,080
And we'll have you back on to
perform some of that isagesis on

2378
02:08:43,080 --> 02:08:47,440
some of these sections here,
because like I said, I plan on

2379
02:08:47,440 --> 02:08:49,360
going through every single one
of them.

2380
02:08:49,360 --> 02:08:52,760
And it's a going to be a years
long process, but we are

2381
02:08:52,760 --> 02:08:54,840
absolutely going to go through
all of them.

2382
02:08:54,840 --> 02:08:59,320
Because I feel like, I feel like
there's, there's wisdom in that.

2383
02:08:59,560 --> 02:09:01,400
These are new things to most
people.

2384
02:09:02,000 --> 02:09:06,400
And as new things, they deserve
to be treated with the same kind

2385
02:09:06,400 --> 02:09:08,400
of love and respect.
We have treated the Book of

2386
02:09:08,400 --> 02:09:11,520
Mormon and Doctrine and
Covenants with for the last, I

2387
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:14,360
don't know, 200 years.
It's it's time we're there.

2388
02:09:15,160 --> 02:09:18,840
And this is a tremendous
blessing that we have now.

2389
02:09:19,320 --> 02:09:23,040
And I think it's time that we we
give and give them their

2390
02:09:23,040 --> 02:09:24,800
property.
So I'm going to make an effort

2391
02:09:24,800 --> 02:09:27,600
in that for sure.
And so there's going to be lots

2392
02:09:27,600 --> 02:09:30,840
of people I call on to, to go
over these to get different

2393
02:09:30,840 --> 02:09:34,640
perspectives.
And I'm, I am super excited for

2394
02:09:34,640 --> 02:09:36,720
this prospect because it is
sorely needed.

2395
02:09:37,120 --> 02:09:42,160
And let's, let's get Mormonism
in its fullness into our systems

2396
02:09:42,160 --> 02:09:45,840
and start, start, Start learning
more and understanding more.

2397
02:09:46,080 --> 02:09:49,440
But bro, love you.
I appreciate you being here.

2398
02:09:49,440 --> 02:09:53,000
I can't wait to do this again.
All right, well, we'll let me

2399
02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:54,480
know.
All right.

2400
02:09:54,840 --> 02:09:55,600
Bye everybody.

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