Episode #211: The Principles Of The Pilgrims W/Leo Martin

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Now let's get back to our

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conversation.
Well, it's nice seeing you

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again, Sir.
Good to see you.

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You know, when we went to
Plymouth a few months back, it

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was absolutely the highlight of
the, one of the highlights of

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the trip is being able to be
there in Plymouth.

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There is so much history there.
And as we were walking away

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from, from your, your little
museum and gift shop there, my

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wife Amber, who knows me so
well, she says that's kind of

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who you want to be when you grow
up, isn't it?

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I was like, man, if I can have a
store like that.

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Absolutely like I was, I was, I
was so blessed to be there.

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And, and thank you for welcoming
me in and and taking the time to

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talk with me both then and now.
Will.

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My pleasure, good to be with
you.

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So real quick, how did you get
into all this history?

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It was a mistake.
My wife and I moved here 25

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years ago and I was a contractor
and she was a photographer.

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We did that together.
We're looking for a photography

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studio.
She found the grist mill empty,

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hadn't been used for three
years.

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So she went to look at it and
said, I found the perfect spot

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for photography and told me to
come look at it.

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I went and looked at it and I
saw all these gears and the

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wheel and everything else, and
it was beautiful.

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And I said to the to the
landlord, I said, what is this

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thing?
He said, well, it's the site of

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the oldest mill in the country.
I said, really?

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He said, yeah.
He said, what do you think?

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I said, well, I think I want to
run it.

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It took me 4 years, four months
to get the building in a good

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enough shape to run.
I started running the the mill

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and I gave tours there.
I gave a tour at 9:00 in the

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morning.
Then I went and worked on

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building a house and I came back
at 4:00 in the afternoon and

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gave another tour and my wife
stayed there all day.

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So that was a catalyst of what
we're doing here.

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We were, we were leasing the
mill and the landlord leased it

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to somebody else.
So we moved out and we got the

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house we're in now, the one you
came to and we were given that

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house.
We got that house free.

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We were given to yeah, another
nonprofit went out of business

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and you can't keep the assets.
You have to give it another

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nonprofit.
And so they, so they gave it to

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us and we've been up in that
building for, oh, ten years,

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over 10 years doing the story of
the of the pilgrims.

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Wow, wow.
And at what point are you there?

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Is that when you really start
diving into the history of

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everything there at Plymouth?
Well, yeah, we did the history a

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little bit up at the up at the
at the grist mill.

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See the grist mill, the man that
ran the grist mill, his name is

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John Jenny.
And he got paid to run the mill,

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which means he's the first
person in the country to be paid

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for a service.
So capitalism in our country

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began in that mill where he got
paid.

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But he got paid in corn, not
money.

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Money had no value in Plymouth.
What are you going to do with

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money?
And corn was the money.

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He got 2 quarts every time he
ground a bushel that and he

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couldn't charge more than that.
So not only do you start

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capitalism, he also started
controls.

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He had to stay in a certain
control because we're all human

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and we all pushed the limit.
Sure, that's what happened.

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And so I ran that mill and I
started doing an economics talk

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of biblical economics at the
mill.

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Got you, got you, and.
You know when when I came into

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Plymouth.
I remember I.

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Stopped off at the visitor
center and I kind of, you know,

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told them who I was.
I was looking for someone to

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talk to me about this.
And they said, oh, you need to

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go talk to Leo.
But they were like, but, but be

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warned, he's super religious.
And I'm like, it's OK.

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I think me and Mr. Martin will
get along OK in that regards.

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Right?
Like so so we're we're did.

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Were you always kind of a, a
religious guy as you approach

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this?
Well, yeah, I'm an evangelical

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Christian and I, I became a
Christian in 1980.

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But I I had a contracting
business in the photography

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business.
Then I started doing the mill

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and somebody said to me, do you
know the Christian history of

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this place?
And I said, I don't.

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Who do I talk to?
So there's a guy named Paul J

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Lee.
He's a pastor.

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He knows all the Christian
history.

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He said, give me a call.
I did and and I said, Paul, my

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name is Lee Omar and I'm running
the Quest Mail and I need the

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Christian story of the country.
That's what I want to tell.

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Could you give me anything?
I don't know.

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I don't know if I have anything.
Give me a day or two.

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The next day I had a stack of
papers on my desk telling all of

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the Christian history of our
country.

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And so Paul and I got together.
We work for quite a long time

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together.
We still do about telling the

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founding of our country on
Christian principles.

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Gotcha.
Well, let's let's just get into

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that, Leo, So, so often.
You know, I'm going to use my,

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my own example here.
As I grow up, I don't grow up in

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a in a religious household at
all.

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I make conversion later on in
life, about 18 years old, I make

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conversion and as I get into it,
I start seeing God moving all

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over the place in American
history, specifically that that

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period there with with the
Pilgrims and that sort of stuff,

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the founders, that sort of
thing.

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So much so it inspires me and my
wife to move to the Eastern

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Shore of Maryland just so we can
be closer to the history and get

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a better feel for it.
And so as a kid growing up, like

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Thanksgiving was great, loved
it, right?

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But I loved it because of the
food.

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I loved it because I get to, you
know, sit down, watch a ton of

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football.
But I was really, you know, I, I

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loved the ability to, you know,
cut out the Pilgrim silhouette

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and you know, the whole thing
when you do, when you're in

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grade school, right?
That was all fun, but you really

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don't get the, the religious
significance, the spiritual

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significance of what happens in
Plymouth until you talk to a guy

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like yourself or you do your own
research.

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So let's let's talk a little bit
about that spiritual history,

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because I think that that by far
outweighs the football, the

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Turkey, the, you know, the fun
crafts or any of those other

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things, right?
There is a definite story that's

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that's told there from a, from
God himself, I believe on some

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of that.
So, so let's dive in that.

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Who were the pilgrims?
Well, the Pilgrims were coveted

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people.
They followed the new covenant

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that Jesus Christ was the Lord
and Savior and all you had to do

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is believe that and you were
saved.

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And that's what they believe.
So now they were a product of

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the Reformation and, and their
covenant people.

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Now what happened in England at
that time, if you lived in

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England, then we had this guy
called King James.

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Now King James was the king and
he was the head of the church.

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So when he set the law, he set
the law for everybody.

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Everybody in England sat under
the same rule of law, of course,

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except King James.
He was above the law.

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He didn't have to follow his own
law.

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Not only that, if you belong to
his church, the Anglican Church,

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and you wanted to pray, knock
your lights out, pray all day

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long, as long as the subject for
your prayer was King James, he

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thought he was God, divine right
of kings.

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That kind of rubbed our pastor
the wrong way.

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John Robinson, the pastor of the
Pilgrims, took his folks out of

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the Anglican Church and they had
church in their homes.

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In other words, the Pilgrims
separated from the Church of

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England.
That's why we're called

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Separatists.
Another group back then,

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theologically similar to the
Pilgrims, stayed in the Anglican

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Church and tried to purify it
from within.

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We call them the Puritans.
They came ten years later and

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founded Boston.
But this is a very big

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difference because when they did
that, separated from the church,

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they never wanted to see one
person in charge of everything

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ever again.
Like the king.

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So Pastor Robinson had his
congregation elect him.

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Pastor, not appoint him.
Appoint him.

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You can't get rid of them.
Elect him.

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You can dump them.
But you know.

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Yeah.
But you know what that did for

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us?
That started self ruling our

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country.
The result of Mayflower Compact,

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the first document to self rule
when we elected John Carver, the

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first freely elected official in
the United States.

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But to step back for a minute,
when they separated from the

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church in England, they started
church in their homes and they

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started the church in the home
in Scroovy, England.

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And when they did that, they
wrote a covenant, the Scroovy

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covenant.
And this is what the Scroovy

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covenant said, as the Lord's
free people join themselves by a

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covenant of the Lord into a
church estate in the fellowship

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of the gospel, to walk in all
His ways made known or to be

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made to known to them according
to their best endeavor, whatever

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it should cost them, the Lord
assisting them.

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So now what they just did is
they formed a church with Jesus

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Christ in charge, and they would
love one another and commit to

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one another, and that would be
their covenant.

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Now here's the deal.
You had to belong to the King's

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church.
That was the law.

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You didn't have to belong to
this church, but if it's going

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to belong, follow the covenant.
Very simple.

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You don't have to come, but if
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And so they wrote that covenant,
and of course, it was an illegal

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church.
So they were forced.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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They were forced out of England,
went to Holland for 12 years

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where they could worship freely.
Of course.

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The question is why didn't they
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They could worship freely.
Yeah, but they.

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Got great tulips.
Well, yeah, beautiful.

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But not only could they worship
freely, it was so liberal.

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Their kids were learning the
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So they were losing their
children, They were getting

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older, and they had to make
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And that move was to Plymouth.
Well, actually it was supposed

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to be to Northern Virginia, but
it was they ended up in

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Plymouth.
They missed the mark by 200

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miles.
So when they came here, they set

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up their own church.
Now, not only could they worship

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any way they want, they could
set up the government any way

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they want because they was
building their own community.

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So now they come here and
they're building a covenant.

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But again, they landed in the
wrong place.

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They weren't supposed to land on
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They were supposed to land in
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So we had no law to be here.
They had to write their own law.

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And that law is the Mayflower
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See, on that boat there were two
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They were the Separatists, which
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other group were called the
strangers.

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The strangers, not a derogatory
term, they just weren't in our

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congregation.
So we called them strangers, but

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they didn't like us and they
didn't want to live under the

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rule of the Pilgrims.
So we landed here in Plymouth

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and had no law to be here.
They said we don't like you

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people, we're leaving and
there's nothing you can do about

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it.
There's no law to keep us here.

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And of course they were right.
Except they just landed on the

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tip of a sandbar in the middle
of a night storm. 102 people and

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absolutely nothing else.
Hoffa going to leave.

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John Kava said you will not sit
under our rule.

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We will have self rule.
Every man on this boat gets a

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vote.
But once a vote is taken,

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everybody follows the one who
won the vote, whether he whether

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you voted for him or not.
Kava was unanimously elected the

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first governor, which is kind of
a miracle because they didn't

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like they couldn't stand us, but
it was reelected.

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And of course, how does that
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That happens because the
Pilgrims practice the number one

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commandment, Love God, love your
neighbor, love yourself.

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When you do that, miracles
happen when you don't chaos.

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And so here we are writing a
new, a new government, the

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Mayflower contact.
And the Mayflower contact is

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also a covenant under God, that
we would form a body politic

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with God in charge.
Here's one of the lines of the

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Mayflower Compact.
In the name of God, Amen.

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The first line we whose names
are underwritten, the royal

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subjects of our dread sovereign
Lord King James, by the grace of

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God of Great Britain, France,
Ireland, King Defender of the

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Faith, etcetera.
Having undertaken for the glory

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of God the advancements of the
Christian faith and the honor of

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our Kenyan country void to plant
first colony in the northern

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parts of Virginia to buy these
presents solemnly and mutually.

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Excuse me, in the presence of
God and one another covenant and

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combine ourselves together into
a civil body politic.

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You just got to take a minute
there.

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You can get wet my throat.
No, you're good.

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Excuse me, So what just
happened?

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Now, back in England, the power
structure went from God to the

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King, God's representative on
earth, to the people in the

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Mayflower Compact undertaken for
the glory of God, the

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advancement of the Christian
faith, the people and honor of

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our King and country.
The King or the representative.

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Now the power structure just
changed always from God to the

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people to the king or the
representative.

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Now they are responsible to the
people as long as the people

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stay responsible to the law of
God.

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Civil government, the people are
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Changed the world.
So they came here when they

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elected their own officials.
Of course, Governor Carver being

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the first, but with that comes a
responsibility.

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Our responsibility is about
people in office who have

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character, integrity and virtue.
And if we do not do that, we're

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going to have a problem.
In other words, we have to keep

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the covenant, that covenant to
make law of compact.

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That's still valid today.
The only thing we have to do is

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keep it.
As long as we don't keep it,

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we're going to have chaos.
God's God of order.

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So if you take God off his
throne and remove him, you have

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chaos.
Oh, you have chaos.

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Now we have another little
problem.

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Who's going to take the place of
God?

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It's a void.
Somebody has to take the place

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of God.
And what happened today is we've

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removed God from his throne and,
and what caused chaos?

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Now we replaced God from his
throne with the government.

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Now the government thinks it's
God and we have to worship it.

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We're right back to where we
were with King James, and we

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have to stop doing that.
We have to make the covenant

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valid again, put God back on his
throne.

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That's what the pilgrims were
all about.

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They were solid covenant people.
And of course, I, I did a

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broadcast once with a gentleman
by the name of Glenn Beck.

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And Glenn said to me, Leo,
what's the big deal about a

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covenant?
I said, I'll tell you what,

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Glenn.
So I make you a promise and I

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break it.
Who cares other than you?

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But if I make a promise with God
as my witness, I better be

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pretty darn serious.
And that's.

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Yeah.
And that's what the pilgrims

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were.
They made a covenant with God as

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they a witness, and they refused
to break it.

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I made a covenant with my wife
52 years ago that we would stay

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married and we're still married
because the covenant was a

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promise with God as my witness
and I felt I had to keep that

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covenant.
Do you think it was easy?

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No, just ask her anyway now so
now we got this wonderful

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covenant people and it and it
shows them everything they did

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why they didn't go back how they
are in one another wrote a peace

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treaty with the Indians got
along with them for 55 years.

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This all comes under the
covenant and in the end and and

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and covenants happen all the
time.

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Again, I made a covenant.
The peace treaty we've signed

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with the Indians, with the
covenant, with them points, If

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we do this, you'll do this.
If we do this, you'll do this.

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And we made that covenant and we
kept it for 55 years.

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So that's who they were.
Not only that, there is a

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difference between US and
Jamestown.

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Jamestown came first, but we're
called America's hometown.

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Why is that?
Because Jamestown went there to

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get rich.
We came here as families.

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When you go someplace as
families, you better get along

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with the people that are there.
And we wrote, yeah.

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And we wrote that peace treaty.
And we got along 55 years

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together, the longest lasting
peace treaty with the Indians in

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our country's history.
And that.

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That's who the Pilgrims were all
about, the Covenant people.

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You know, it's so fascinating
because in, in, in, in Mormon

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theology, this idea of making
covenant is huge.

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Right.
It is a big deal and there are

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so many things I can look back
and and I want to be clear, I

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think this should be I think
covenant should be a huge thing

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for for any Christ centered
people.

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I think it's that important.
And I think that, you know,

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look, even within Mormonism
speaking on the whole here,

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certainly we talk a lot about
covenants, but I don't think we

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always understand just the, the,
the severity of those issues

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that you are engaging in, right?
It either has the ability to to

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bless your efforts in such a way
that the windows of heaven open.

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Or.
If you make that covenant and

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then back out of it, it can
absolutely be to your ruin,

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right?
And and covenant is an important

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thing.
We find it all throughout the

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Old New Testament and and to see
this sort of thing happen with

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with those pilgrims, those early
separatists from from the Church

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of England is, is really
something that I think we need

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to keep, keep, keep in the
forefront of our minds.

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Because I do believe in a
national covenant, right?

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I do believe that that may
flower compact was part of it.

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And I do think that that there
were covenants involved in the

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in the foundational
revolutionary periods of America

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that we have not walked up to in
the last probably 100 years, I

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would imagine.
Yeah.

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And if we want to, like, I'm
going to get beat up for this.

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Look, I voted for Trump.
I did.

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But if you want to make America
great again, she's got to return

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back to her covenants.
Correct.

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No doubt.
That's the only way.

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And we do it through the family,
not through the government.

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See you when you in the family.
You have to learn how to govern

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your children, my wife and I,
you and your wife have to govern

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your children.
Well, how do you learn to govern

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them if you can't govern
yourself?

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So the first thing you have to
do to govern yourself is become

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a person of faith.
Now you have a standard to work

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by biblical law, and now you
govern yourself.

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Now you know how to govern your
children.

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And once you govern your
children, you make them good

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civil servants.
I believe in civil government.

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Everybody should get a vote, but
not my children.

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I'm their tyrant until they're
old enough to understand how to

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behave in public and how to live
under biblical law and live as a

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person of faith.
And once they do that, now

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they're free to go on their own
and do their thing.

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We just made somebody that is
going to be an asset to the

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community rather than its
attraction from the community.

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I haven't done this my whole
life.

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For 30 years, I was a building
contractor.

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I built and remodeled homes.
I spent half my life 40 feet in

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the air.
I'm handicapped today.

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I can't get up on a stool.
Now it's my son's turn to take

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care of me because I took care
of him for 45 years.

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Then when he gets to my age,
it's time for his son to take

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care of him.
And that see cycle keeps

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happening.
And once we get that cycle

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happening and we build strong
families, now we're going to

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build a strong church and a
strong community and a strong

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federal government.
And it has to start in the

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family, not in the government.
100% I, I couldn't agree with

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that more.
I think so many of our problems

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in addition to not living up to
that national covenant has been

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the disintegration of the
nuclear family.

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00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:56,080
I think that that has done more
damage to society at large than

455
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,880
perhaps any, anything other than
covenant that that I could think

456
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:01,600
of.
And quite frankly, where we, if

457
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,400
we were living the covenant, I
don't think we'd see divorce

458
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,280
like we see it now either,
right?

459
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,320
We would have stronger families.
So I want to go back to

460
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,560
something you you had said there
about how the strangers ended up

461
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:20,720
being won over by the pilgrims.
And I'm, I think I'm.

462
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,720
Familiar with the story here.
I think it has to do with

463
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:29,240
illness, but exactly how did
they they win when when over the

464
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,560
strangers, right?
Yeah.

465
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,560
Where did they come from?
In the 1st place, there was an

466
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,120
economic deal made with the
person financing the trip here.

467
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,240
This was the economic deal.
You would go to the New World,

468
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:50,080
you would work six days a week.
Of those six days, four would go

469
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,320
to me for seven years, and you
keep 2 as a personal profit.

470
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,960
At the end of seven years, you
own the property you personally

471
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,760
developed.
Not a bad deal.

472
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,440
They took it.
They're getting on the boat.

473
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,600
Weston, this man shows up on the
dock, says I'm changing the

474
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,160
deal.
You're going to work six days or

475
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,760
six days for me for seven years,
and at the end of seven years I

476
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,120
own half your property.
They had already sold everything

477
00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:14,960
they had.
Now they're getting there and

478
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,840
they're getting ready to come
over here.

479
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,280
So they took the deal, except
some people wouldn't do it

480
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,040
because they were virtually
indentured servants, so those

481
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,320
people wouldn't get on the boat.
Now I have a boat that's half

482
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,040
empty.
What do you do?

483
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,960
You put it out to bid anybody
that can pay the the freight

484
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,560
they can get on the boat and
come over.

485
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,160
So now half the boat is
separatists and half the boat is

486
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:43,280
strangers, totally different
thinking people, which I think

487
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,600
is hysterical.
Here we have a, well, a bunch of

488
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,600
separatists saying.
Look.

489
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,080
I'm going to separate.
We're going to start our own

490
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,080
church.
Don't bother me, I won't bother

491
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,880
you.
And what does God do which have

492
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,680
the people on the boat that
don't think like him, like them?

493
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,520
You're not, you're not
separating from anybody.

494
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,000
You get along.
So now they have to build a

495
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,080
community.
And what they did is said have

496
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:14,520
church on every Sunday.
And the way they conducted that

497
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,920
is they had a promise, studying
the pace, the preacher, the

498
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,920
governor, Miles Danish, the
leader of the army.

499
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,960
Then the people in the back, the
men on the outside holding guns

500
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,720
in case animals came out, walked
through town up to Burial Hill

501
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,280
where they had the service.
And they'd be up there and in

502
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,320
the morning they would have a
sermon for four hours.

503
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,520
Then they have lunch.
In the afternoon they came back

504
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,320
and talked about that sermon for
four more hours.

505
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:53,160
That was called prophecy.
Now anybody in the in Plymouth,

506
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,000
because they did that could,
could deliver a sermon at the

507
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,920
drop of a hat.
That's how well they knew the

508
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,960
Bible.
So by giving this this way,

509
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,520
everybody's on the same page,
everybody can read the Bible,

510
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,360
everybody can deliver the Bible.
And that's how they conducted

511
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:11,160
their church service.
So you'd be at church on Sunday

512
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,720
for 8 hours.
Wow, yeah.

513
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,800
And we complain about too.
I know it, yeah.

514
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,200
I mean, that's, that's, that's
nothing compared to what those

515
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,160
guys were doing.
But you can't argue with the

516
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,680
results, right?
Exactly so now you know,

517
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,800
everybody's so steeped in the
Bible, but of course as you grow

518
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,320
that we have Mass Bay come in
and other people come in and

519
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,920
things expand.
You can't control things the way

520
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,760
you did.
We only have one to community

521
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,520
Plymouth and so things began to
get out of hand 55 years later

522
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:52,920
after the peace treaty.
It was broken and, and, and so

523
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,320
things began to change
dramatically.

524
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,800
And it's changed from then till
today.

525
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:03,440
And of course, people ask me all
the time, well, did the pilgrims

526
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,360
pass that covenant thinking to
the founding fathers who wrote

527
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,560
the Declaration of Independence
on the Constitution?

528
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,760
And of course they did.
But what happens in in in our

529
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,720
world today is people don't want
this to be a Christian nation.

530
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,800
There are a group out there that
don't want it to be Christian.

531
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,960
It's all it depends on your
worldview.

532
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,560
I have a biblical worldview.
The pilgrims had a biblical

533
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,520
worldview and, and, but some
people don't.

534
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,480
They have a different worldview.
They leave out the the Christian

535
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,320
history.
They leave out the religion of

536
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,520
our country.
So what they want to do is

537
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,760
remove it from our country.
So they change the way things

538
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,800
are done.
And what happens is people start

539
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,960
calling the founding fathers.
They weren't Christians, they

540
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,720
were deists.
And a deist, a person who

541
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,920
believes there's a God up there
being God, but he's not a

542
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,120
personal God.
He doesn't bother with us, so

543
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,800
he's a deist.
And I was told Thomas Jefferson

544
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,160
was a deist.
But here's the problem.

545
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,080
He wrote the Declaration of
Independence, certain

546
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,280
inalienable rights from God.
Thomas Jefferson just told me I

547
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,680
have a personal God, how could
he possibly be a deist?

548
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,120
But we change things so people
believe it's a secular world

549
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,920
view, a country, not a religious
Christian country, and they try

550
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,600
to remove that.
I was told Benjamin Franklin was

551
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,720
a theist, Benjamin Franklin.
And and of course, he was one of

552
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,560
the smartest guys ever.
He invented everything,

553
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,240
Franklin.
It was the Elon Musk of his day.

554
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,760
Oh, I'll tell you, he invented
the the stove bifocals.

555
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,040
Do you know he invented
sidewalks, the lending library,

556
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,320
fire stations?
He invented the catheter.

557
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,760
What was he thinking, anyway?
He's the smartest guy around.

558
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,160
So smart guys like that usually
don't need God.

559
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,360
But they're having a
constitutional convention.

560
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,960
They're trying to write the
Constitution, 13 different

561
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,640
states.
Nobody got along 100° in the

562
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,880
building.
And he stands up and he

563
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,800
addresses George Washington at
the convention.

564
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,960
How has it happened, Sir, that
we have not hitherto once

565
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:12,120
thought to humbly appear of
humbly appealing to the Father

566
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,840
of lights to illuminate our
understandings?

567
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,000
In the beginning of the contrast
with Great Britain, when we were

568
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,520
sensible to danger, we had daily
prayers in this room for Divine

569
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,240
protection.
Our prayers there were heard,

570
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,360
and they were graciously
answered.

571
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,880
I have lived through a long
time, and the longer I live, the

572
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,440
more convincing proofs I see of
this truth that God governs in

573
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,880
the affairs of men.
And if a Sparrow cannot fall to

574
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,640
the ground without his notice,
is it probable that we can start

575
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,400
an empire without His aid?
We have been assured, Sir, in

576
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,480
the sacred writings, except the
Lord build the house, lay labor

577
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,960
in vain that build it.
I firmly believe this, and he's

578
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,840
called a deist.
They try to what happens and

579
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,720
change the whole history of our
country.

580
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,640
That's why it's so important for
us to teach our children the

581
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,720
real history of the country or
we're going to lose it and we're

582
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,960
going to lose the covenant.
They're trying to remove it and

583
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,120
that's obvious today.
Absolutely.

584
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:19,640
I, you know, as I alluded to
earlier, I've always been just a

585
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,800
nerd for the US founding, right?
Loved the founding, especially

586
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:28,760
the revolutionary period.
And one of the things I've

587
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,160
noticed is that the term
progressive, if you follow it

588
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:39,360
back to its earliest incarnation
as a political movement, they

589
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,960
made no efforts to hide it.
They want to progress past the

590
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,360
Constitution, right?
And in order to do that, you

591
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,120
have to discredit the messengers
that delivered that right.

592
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,200
And so how do they deliver that?
How do they, how do they get

593
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,240
past that?
Well, one is that they turn the

594
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,240
founders into something that
they're not, right?

595
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,040
I remember I was this is this
was back when we were living

596
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,560
back West.
I was sitting at the dinner

597
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,080
table and, you know, gathering
her up as a family for dinner.

598
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,320
I asked my kids, you know,
what'd you learn at church

599
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,600
today?
And they said, oh, well, you

600
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,240
know, gosh, we learned about
history.

601
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,280
And we learned that a lot of the
founders were just rich, white

602
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,240
slave owners.
And I remember.

603
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,600
I dropped my my fork on my plate
and I was like, what did you

604
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:23,800
just say?
Right?

605
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,440
Like, and because at this point
in my life, I had done all my

606
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,600
own research, I'd read original
sources, I, I'd read Madison's

607
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,840
notes, I get it.
I know what they were trying to

608
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:37,760
do, right?
And a big part of that moving

609
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:43,040
past the messenger is
discrediting the message, right?

610
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:48,480
And you do that by calling the
God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

611
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:53,920
A A racist, evil God, right?
And and that we've seen that

612
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,320
perpetrated now for the better
part, in my opinion, at least 75

613
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,920
years.
And I think we're we are at at

614
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:07,040
a, a tipping point as a society.
Where I think we're back, quite

615
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:08,880
frankly.
To that that Old Testament

616
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,520
phrase where the Lord's kind of
asking us, You know, you this

617
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,800
day, you will choose, you'll
choose life and and light or

618
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,440
you'll choose darkness and
death, but you're at a point of

619
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:23,120
choosing now.
So there's a lot within the

620
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,360
Pilgrim story that I think
beckons us to make a return to

621
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,239
that covenant and certainly back
to to solid principles.

622
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,520
But we have to kind of study
their lives a little bit, right.

623
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:40,080
We can't just do what I did for,
for my whole young, young life

624
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,960
and just think that this story
is about Turkey and football

625
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,199
and, and, you know, arts and
crafts.

626
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:53,920
But one of the things I wanted
to talk about was just what kind

627
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,880
of absolute hardship these
people had to deal with.

628
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,440
They make landfall in December,
right, Leo?

629
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,840
Is that correct?
Yeah.

630
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,120
And in November, beginning of
December, yeah, Yeah.

631
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:09,440
Right now, if I'm not mistaken,
there were how many people

632
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,480
originally on the boat 100 and
something A. 102.

633
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,520
And by the time that first
winter is over, how many is

634
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:23,280
left?
51. 51 So they lost over half of

635
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,240
what went on.
There, what are they?

636
00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:28,400
Facing as they get out, you
know, as they get off the boat,

637
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,560
what, what is it they're up
against?

638
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:36,920
Well keep in mind they when they
originally left England or

639
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,600
Europe, they had two ships, one
called the Speedwell, one called

640
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,000
the Mayflower.
They owned the Speedwell.

641
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,040
They leased the Mayflower.
The Speedwell picked off runs up

642
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,480
in Holland, brought them to
England, met the Mayflower and

643
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,680
came over.
When they left England, the

644
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,520
Speedwell leaked twice.
They had to sell it for half

645
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,640
what they paid for it.
Loss of investment. 20 of the

646
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,800
original passengers had to stay
behind and they left late.

647
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,520
When they landed on the Tipper K
card, they had run out of food.

648
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,760
The men looked around the cake,
found a stash of corn buried in

649
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,640
the ground by the Indians, and
they took it.

650
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,960
They did not steal the corn they
borrowed.

651
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,120
If they paid it back later, had
they not taken the corn, they

652
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,960
never would have survived.
Because you see, by the end of

653
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,080
that first winter, they were
doing out a quarter pound of

654
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,360
cornbread per person per day to
survive on.

655
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,160
So, as you can well imagine, the
mothers took their bread and fed

656
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,440
their children.
They covered their children with

657
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,080
their own bodies to keep them
long.

658
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,840
Of those 18 married women, 14
died the first winter,

659
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,680
sacrificing themselves for the
next generation.

660
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,600
Knowing if they did not survive,
we would not survive.

661
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,240
And we have a statue of the
Pilgrim Mother.

662
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,600
And on the back of that statue,
it says they brought their

663
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,400
families in.
A sturdy virtue and the living

664
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,560
faith in God without which
nations perish.

665
00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:59,880
Woman making that tough
decision, and then we're making

666
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,560
another one.
Hold back some of that corn.

667
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,520
If they had no seed corn to
plant for the first season, they

668
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,480
never would have survived.
They call that the starving

669
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,600
time.
That's just a picture of who

670
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,160
they were and what they went
through.

671
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,720
And I'll be honest with you,
without the women, we would not

672
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:19,760
be here.
This sacrifice saved the

673
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,440
plantation.
Absolutely.

674
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:28,320
So as as women are dying, right.
And, and sometimes I think it's

675
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,920
hard for us living in the modern
day with our modern

676
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,240
conveniences.
We have the ability to bounce

677
00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:38,840
back after tragedy in ways that
quite frankly, our predecessors

678
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,400
didn't have, right?
Often times the loss of a mom,

679
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,400
especially the mother, ended up
in kind of a dissolution of the

680
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,760
family, right?
So what happens with all those

681
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,520
orphans, right?
Because I got to imagine there

682
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:57,600
was a ton of orphans given.
Given the circumstances, what

683
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,560
happens to them?
What would happen with them is

684
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,240
it would be taken in by another
family, a surviving family.

685
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,920
We had of all the people that
died, the first weren't only two

686
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,800
families did not lose a person.
Everybody else lost at least one

687
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,160
person that first went there.
So what you would do is you

688
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,400
would go Elizabeth Tilly, her
folks died.

689
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,520
She went in and stayed with John
Carver and this is what would

690
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,440
happen and say people died, they
would join another family and

691
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,440
John Holland was a servant to
John Carver.

692
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:33,800
He lived with Carver too.
The carvers died and Holland

693
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,320
took over his property, which
was unheard of.

694
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,320
He that just didn't happen.
He was a he was a servant.

695
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,600
So now he takes over the
property, ends up marrying

696
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,440
Elizabeth Tilly, who was taken
in by the Carvers because their

697
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,000
parents died.
And that what ended up there is

698
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,080
it's John Holland.
The descendants of John Holland

699
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,960
is the largest descendancy in
the country at his family.

700
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,320
Yeah, well, we had over, we had
over 1500 descendants attend his

701
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,040
reunion.
And some you may be familiar

702
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,480
with a gentleman by the name of
the President Bush.

703
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,480
So that means 2 presidents.
But he's covered both sides of

704
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,760
the aisle.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Sir

705
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,000
Winston Churchill, All
descendants of John Holland,

706
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:25,640
Joseph Smith.
Really, is a is a descendant of

707
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,720
Carver.
Is descendant of Holland.

708
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,160
Holland.
Excuse me?

709
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,440
Yeah, and and.
Holy cow.

710
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:38,080
Yeah, a few years ago, about
2013, I gave President Ballard

711
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,920
from your church a tour that I
talk about, and he is also a

712
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:49,320
descendant of John Holland.
Holy cow, that one.

713
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,280
You, you and and that's
something I think that we can't

714
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,520
discount, right?
I think so often we look at our

715
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,040
what we do in life and we think,
well, this is just what I'm

716
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,280
doing.
It's not going to have an

717
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,280
impact, right?
But we don't get the gift of

718
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,520
perspective often in this life,
right?

719
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,400
If we're lucky, our kids and our
grandkids will get it If.

720
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,200
We're lucky.
If we're lucky, right?

721
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,480
But you look at a man like
Holland and his impact that he's

722
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:26,320
had not just on this country,
right, but ultimately Winston

723
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,000
Churchill, right?
I mean, what's the chances that

724
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,400
a descendant of Holland, 2
descendants of Holland end up on

725
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:38,360
the same side of fighting for,
for freedom, for liberty, for

726
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:43,720
man to to govern himself, right?
That comes from Holland That,

727
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:48,960
that, that gentleman that is
incredible.

728
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,280
So at what point?
And, and this is something that

729
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,200
that I've wanted to talk about.
For for for a long.

730
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:03,400
Time at how is it that the that
the pilgrims were able to forge

731
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:08,920
such a long lasting treaty with
the Native Americans and not

732
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,840
only just a Treaty of hey, let's
not kill each other, but like

733
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,520
there's no doubt Plymouth does
not survive if not for the

734
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,120
intervention of the Native
Americans.

735
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,560
Is that correct?
That's.

736
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:21,920
Correct.
Yeah.

737
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,160
So we find a peace treaty with
them because, again, their

738
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,800
thinking is we're all made in
the image of God.

739
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,880
And if we're going to come here
and start a society and have

740
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,280
nothing to do with England as
families, we'd better get along

741
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,880
with the people that are here.
And they firmly believe that

742
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,120
we're all equal in the sight of
God.

743
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,120
So we all had the same value.
So they got along with the

744
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,080
Indians and they signed a peace
treaty early on.

745
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,480
But now keep in mind we're all
human and we all have

746
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:54,120
self-interest. self-interest
isn't always bad. self-interest

747
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:55,800
could be good.
When it becomes bad is when it

748
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,880
becomes selfish.
But their self-interest is OK.

749
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,720
See ASA Soya the chief of the
wampenhog had just gone through

750
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:07,080
a plague and that tribe was weak
so they needed us and our guns

751
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,120
to help protect them from the
other tribes.

752
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,240
And of course we're in a foreign
country.

753
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,040
We just love to have our
population and and we didn't

754
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,200
pick the pilgrims to do what
they do because they could farm

755
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:18,680
or they could hunt.
We picked them because of they

756
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,040
commit.
So now we have to learn how to

757
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,000
do all this stuff.
And Squanto and the, and the

758
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:28,040
Wampanoags taught them how to
farm and how to how to produce

759
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,480
to, to keep the, the community
going.

760
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,520
So without them, without Squanto
who lived with them, they

761
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,600
wouldn't have survived.
So, so it became a community

762
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,840
where we were relying on one
another.

763
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,040
But I'm sure you know this.
It's hard for us to pass from

764
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,480
one generation to the other the
good information that they need

765
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,920
to know.
And it's it's a generation.

766
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,680
And that happened with the
Pilgrims.

767
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,720
That biblical knowledge skipped
a generation.

768
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,640
Edward Winslow was one of the
greatest negotiators ever with

769
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,160
the Indians and with everybody
else.

770
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,400
He had a son called Josiah.
Josiah Winslow became governor

771
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,920
and he was a catalyst for the
King Philip War.

772
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,760
Yeah.
Now King Philip was Massasoit

773
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,440
son.
His his Christian name was

774
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,080
Philip.
And So what happened is they

775
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,240
they want to negotiate not to go
to war.

776
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,200
And King Philip looked at
Wentzel and said, hey, you're

777
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,200
just a governor.
I'm a chief.

778
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,760
I will only talk to kings.
And he broke off the

779
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,920
negotiations and they went to
war.

780
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:39,040
See, that skipped a generation.
Either one of those guys could

781
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,640
have start that war, but they
were arrogant and they weren't

782
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,800
what their fathers were and they
missed it.

783
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,200
And that started the King Philip
War because we didn't pass that

784
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,240
biblical knowledge to the next
generation.

785
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,360
And what was the result?
The largest percentage of

786
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,680
population was killed in that
war than any war in our

787
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:01,240
country's history.
Back.

788
00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:04,160
You guys like Squanto and
Mesoiot?

789
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:12,480
What is it about those guys that
take pity on on the on the

790
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,160
pilgrims?
Is it just this idea of, hey, a

791
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,320
mutual alliance here can be
beneficial?

792
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,200
Is there any indication,
especially from from the

793
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,320
perspective of of the Native
Americans?

794
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,480
I I know they weren't huge on
written histories, but do we

795
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,080
have anything that would
indicate how they viewed the

796
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:35,000
Pilgrims?
Not much, but the the the story

797
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,800
is a little different than you
usually hear.

798
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:46,000
Squanto was taken to England as
a slave, learned English and

799
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,480
came back and he was the
interpreter between the Indians

800
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,480
and the Pilgrims to write the
peace treaty.

801
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,280
He's the only one that knew both
languages, so that's how they

802
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,000
wrote the peace treaty.
But here's the issue.

803
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,360
Governor of Bradford referred to
him as a special gift from God.

804
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,840
Massasoit did not see what
happened is we wrote the peace

805
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:11,600
treaty that squad would go up to
Bradford and it's saying look,

806
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,440
Massasoit is going to attack
you.

807
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,440
So what are you talking about?
I just signed a peace treaty

808
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:17,600
said I know, I'm just telling
you.

809
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,200
And then nothing happened.
So Bradford would say to squad

810
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,080
to nothing happened.
He said, I know I talked him out

811
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,040
of it.
Squad to was trying to get

812
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,240
Bradford to kill Massasoit so he
could be chief.

813
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,640
Yeah.
So Massasoit says give him back

814
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,400
I want Squanto I'm going to kill
him he says you can't have him

815
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,040
he's my interpreter.
So Massasoit says OK no problem

816
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:51,560
within a year Squanto was dead
so we we have an undercurrent

817
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:58,880
here of people being people and.
And and they were also Leary of

818
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,160
NASA soy of squander because he
lived with the English.

819
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,160
So he thought, oh, he's probably
going to be on the side of the

820
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,400
English too.
So we got to we got to get rid

821
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,680
of this guy.
But so that's the undercurrent

822
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,600
with what happened.
And and under that peace treaty,

823
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,640
we should have given him back,
but we didn't.

824
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,400
But he ended up dying anyway.
And so if you look at the

825
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:26,520
nuances of the whole thing,
people of people, and for the

826
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,920
most part, the big good guy here
is Massasoit.

827
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,960
Massasoit was really a good
negotiator, but he needed us.

828
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,520
And the other good guy was
Winslow was Winslow was a was

829
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:46,640
our connection to the Indians
when we wrote the peace treaty.

830
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,720
You saw my building.
It's on a river.

831
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,840
On one side is Watson's Hill.
That's where the Indians were.

832
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,880
On the other side is Burial Hill
that where the pilgrims were.

833
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,400
They're going to write a peace
treaty.

834
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,320
So God, Governor Kava says come
on over, we'll write a peace

835
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,640
treaty.
He says I'm coming, but I want a

836
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,800
hostage over here until I get
back.

837
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,240
Right.
That hostage was Winslow.

838
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,000
So Winslow went over to their
camp, stood there while they

839
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,400
signed the peace treaty and and
when it was done in in massasoi

840
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,560
came back.
Winslow got back to our

841
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,560
community.
So they were feeling each other

842
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,800
out, seeing exactly what's going
on.

843
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,480
But again, that peace treaty was
a covenant that they would

844
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,120
protect one another.
Someone attacks you will fight

845
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,640
for you.
Someone attacks us, he'll fight

846
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,880
for us.
And this was, there was 6

847
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,160
different points on the peace
treaty and they honored that

848
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,880
peace treaty, but it was a
covenant between the pilgrims

849
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,000
and the Indians under God that
they would do what they said

850
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,160
they were going to do it.
Interesting.

851
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,680
So as as the strangers, that's
another part that you don't hear

852
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,880
about a lot in school, right, is
the part about the strangers.

853
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,200
You get this idea that everybody
comes over and everybody

854
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,920
believes exactly the same and
that's why they were able to get

855
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,040
along.
So well, but that's not the

856
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,600
case.
Not it is right.

857
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,560
So what, what, what are the
relations like between the

858
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,960
strangers and the separatists,
right.

859
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,480
Once they're here and they're
established, is is there

860
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,320
friction that that happens
there?

861
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,680
A little bit with some of them.
I'll give you an example.

862
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,120
Guy named John Billington came
on the Mayflower and he had two

863
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:33,280
sons and his wife with them.
And, and he, he was in somewhat

864
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,000
of an arrogant person and he
didn't get along with the

865
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,240
governor.
He was always fighting with the

866
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:41,720
governor.
And what happened initially is

867
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:45,440
when they pulled into Plymouth
to Provincetown Harbor, the

868
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,000
boys, the two sons were playing
in the hold of the Mayflower

869
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,480
with gunpowder.
They almost blew the boat up.

870
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:57,600
So they come into Plymouth and
one of the two boys climbs a

871
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,360
tree and looks out over the
other direction.

872
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,160
He saw a body of water and he
said, wow, we must be on an

873
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,480
island.
There's the sea, it wasn't the

874
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,200
sea, it's the pond that feeds
our river.

875
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,960
So the torment the poor little
kid for the rest of his life.

876
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,200
They called upon Billington Sea.
We still call it that today.

877
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,320
But also what happened is John
Billington, his family survived

878
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:22,560
completely for the first winter
and then he shoots a man over a

879
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:27,760
land deal and they hung him.
So here we've survived the whole

880
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,560
family and he goes and gets
himself hung.

881
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,720
And what happened is William
Bradford would not conduct his

882
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:34,560
trial because he didn't get
along with them.

883
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,720
He had Winthrop come down from
Mass Bay, Winthrop trying him

884
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:40,560
and trying him and found him
guilty.

885
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,480
But ironically, when they hung
them, they hung them on the same

886
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,680
tree his son climbed to find
Billington Sea.

887
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,160
Wow.
So there was friction.

888
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:57,640
A little bit guy named Stephen
Hopkins opened a bar in his in

889
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:02,480
his house and that was illegal.
Yeah, but he also is the only

890
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,080
person that went from England to
Jamestown and came back and went

891
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,360
from England to Plymouth.
He took both trips.

892
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,400
The only person that ever did
that.

893
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,640
Then there was a little book
written about him called The

894
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:18,720
Tempest by William Shakespeare.
The Tempest is about Stephen

895
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:22,640
Hopkins.
Stephen Hopkins is Stefano

896
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,400
because he took both trips and
he got in same kind of trouble

897
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:30,720
in Jamestown that he did here in
Plymouth by starting a rebellion

898
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:33,080
and pushing against the formal
government.

899
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,640
Fascinating.
So when, when, when they're

900
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:45,440
trying to get along and form
this community, are are any of

901
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,680
the strangers ever elected to
positions like governor or mayor

902
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,280
or anything like that?
What?

903
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,040
Like what is their standing next
to the the separatists?

904
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,000
Well, they all got along.
And of course, all right, if you

905
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,320
didn't like Bradford being
governor, you can vote him out.

906
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:04,680
That's the beauty of having a
civil government.

907
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:09,320
And the election was every year.
And William Bradford won the

908
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,840
election.
He was governor or assistant

909
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,280
governor for 35 years on a row
because he was good at what he

910
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,120
did.
He was gifted as a as a leader.

911
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,240
So he kept getting, we voted,
but everybody got a vote.

912
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,640
Not the women, but all the men
got a vote.

913
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,800
Even the male servants got a
vote, so they were all treated

914
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,120
equal that way.
But it was a civil government,

915
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,720
so whoever won the elections won
it because everybody voted the

916
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:36,720
men.
So the thing was we had a

917
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:38,480
governor and governor's
assistance.

918
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,320
That was the government and they
were elected every year.

919
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:46,720
And even Miles Stannis, captain
of the army, was elected because

920
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:49,920
if you're going to have
elections and self rule, he was

921
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,480
appointed originally, but now
everybody gets elected,

922
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,760
including him.
But he kept getting re elected

923
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,120
because he was good at what he
did.

924
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,520
So the people looked at it.
And so we had to start getting

925
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,080
along a little bit.
And we did.

926
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,680
Yeah.
And it kind of assimilated into,

927
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,280
like I said, when they went to
church, they all went to church

928
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,160
together.
You didn't have to go to church.

929
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,160
It was your choice.
Life's full of choices.

930
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,800
But if you're going to be in our
congregation, you're going to be

931
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,760
in our Plymouth, you're going to
live by our covenant of biblical

932
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,320
law.
If you don't like it, you can

933
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,440
leave.
There was a Yeah.

934
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,000
So.
And this is how we formed

935
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:33,360
denominations.
If you come in and you don't

936
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,960
like our church, go to Boston
Church, Go by their rules or go

937
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,720
to Providence, RI And.
And so now we build these

938
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:43,240
different denominations.
So like the way we do it, that's

939
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:45,680
OK.
But if you're going to stay, you

940
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,240
follow what we do.
A guy named Rodger Williams came

941
00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:51,680
into Boston and he told them how
to run their church.

942
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:53,320
You're not running your church,
right?

943
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:54,800
I'm going to tell you how to run
your church.

944
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,120
I said no, you're not.
So yeah.

945
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,360
He said, well, go, you're out.
He came to Plymouth, same thing.

946
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,160
Civil government.
What's the matter with you

947
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,600
people?
I'm going to show you how to run

948
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,920
your church.
Well, we kicked him out and he

949
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,560
went and he founded Providence,
RI, started his own church.

950
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:12,800
Perfect.
If you don't like our church, go

951
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,360
to Rogers Church.
If you don't like his church, go

952
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,600
to Boston.
Now we have denominations and we

953
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,080
have choices and that's how
things started building up our,

954
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,000
our around us with civil
governments.

955
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,000
And Roger Williams was
instrumental and not in our

956
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,800
relationship with the Indians.
He he really did a good job with

957
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,120
the Indians.
Interesting.

958
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,520
Let me ask you this because this
is something that's always

959
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,480
fascinated me.
Is that because of when they

960
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,400
live they're they're relatively
isolated for one another, But

961
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,320
what are some of the differences
between like Plymouth and then

962
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:53,120
Jamestown, right, because they
both bear very different fruit.

963
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,280
Yeah, they do.
It's a funny thing.

964
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,640
You should ask.
A couple years ago, I was

965
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,120
invited to go speaking in
Virginia Beach at the at the

966
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,640
first founding convention and in
the first founding down there

967
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,400
because Jamestown came first and
they found it at first.

968
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,120
So they asked me to come speak.
I'm speaking to 300 people and

969
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,440
I'm telling them the difference
between Jamestown and Plymouth

970
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,120
and Jamestown.
So now I have to tell them how

971
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,360
they did it wrong, which is kind
of a tough place to be in.

972
00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:25,440
See, they went down there and
they, and they went there to

973
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,480
strike it rich and, and they,
they had cannibalism.

974
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,800
They had all kinds of odd things
going on.

975
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,200
They wouldn't work.
They had people called Gentry.

976
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:39,000
Gentry refused to work.
John Smith, the captain, says

977
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,760
you don't work, you don't eat.
And they said, OK, we won't eat.

978
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,080
And they would starve to death
before they would work.

979
00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:49,280
We came here as families and
when they went to Jamestown,

980
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,800
they planted a cross and they
planted the flag of England.

981
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:53,560
They claimed Genesis for
England.

982
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,080
When we came here, we planted a
cross and we claimed Plymouth

983
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,840
for families who wanted nothing
to do with England.

984
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,560
So now we're building these
little families and these little

985
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,640
civil governments, and we start
spreading out and we start

986
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,480
having all these tiny civil
governments all run by their own

987
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,720
towns.
Then we got, you know, we get

988
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:14,560
Duxbury, we get Yarmouth, we
get, you know, and all these

989
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,480
little towns all run their own
government.

990
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,600
So what the Pilgrims did is they
taught the Indians how to build,

991
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,720
how to form their own towns and
run their own governments and

992
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:26,480
elect their own people within
the government.

993
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,120
And we call those praying Indian
towns.

994
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,680
Natick was a praying Indian
town.

995
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,040
Martha's Vineyard was a praying
Indian island, the whole island.

996
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,840
So they formed their own
governments and their own little

997
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,520
civil government.
So now what we're doing here is

998
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,240
we're forming these little tiny
civil governments where in

999
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:47,200
Jamestown they claimed it for
England.

1000
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,440
So now how do we get value from
both of those?

1001
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,040
And there is value in both of
those, even though I say they

1002
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,720
did a lot wrong, but they
claimed that for England.

1003
00:55:56,720 --> 00:56:00,040
So now what we look at that, we
say, OK, that will represent the

1004
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,760
federal government.
They claim it for the federal

1005
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,680
government.
We claim this as little towns

1006
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:09,880
and little individual civil
governments, which today would

1007
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:14,720
represent the state government.
So the value on both of them is

1008
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:17,160
you can look at Jamestown and
said they formed what we call

1009
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,080
the federal government.
We formed what is called the

1010
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,600
state government, the two
governments coming together

1011
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,000
under the Constitution, and
that's where our country is

1012
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,640
today.
Interesting.

1013
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,960
So they did ultimately end up
kind of complementing one

1014
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,120
another, but it would take years
before that could be fully

1015
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,800
fleshed out and understood.
That's true, yeah.

1016
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:43,280
That's that is fascinating.
OK, so with, with that in mind,

1017
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,080
then we we've got we've got kind
of these parts and pieces out

1018
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:51,880
there floating around.
So as, as they begin to take

1019
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:57,720
root and grow and the, the, it
seems like at first things are

1020
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:01,040
very cohesive, right?
You have essentially 3 different

1021
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,560
groups of people.
You have, you have the natives,

1022
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,440
you have the strangers and you
have the separatists, right?

1023
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:13,360
And there, there's somewhat of
some social cohesion, right?

1024
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,880
They may not always be hanging
out together, but they've at

1025
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:21,600
least said, OK, this is what
we're going to do when when

1026
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:27,160
things begin to break apart, is
it due solely to the fact that

1027
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,360
that covenant skips a
generation?

1028
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,960
Is that the the catalyst for the
whole thing or is there other

1029
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,960
things?
That are involved that are.

1030
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,640
Kind of an outgrowth of that,
Leo well.

1031
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,160
There's two things.
One thing is what you just said

1032
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,440
about the covenant.
The other thing is as we grow

1033
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,640
and different people come in,
now you have different issues

1034
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,080
that you have to deal with.
You're not dealing with 100

1035
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,400
people or 51 people.
You're dealing with Boston.

1036
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,760
Thousands of people came in in
16 in 1630 was called the Great

1037
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:58,920
Migration.
So now you have thousands of

1038
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,200
people coming in all thinking a
little differently.

1039
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,680
Now you have to deal with that
just like we did with Rodger

1040
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,280
Williams.
How do we deal with that?

1041
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,320
How do we deal with that?
The people that are coming in to

1042
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:12,640
to found Massachusetts Bay,
which ended up being Boston.

1043
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,760
So as we grow out, we have
different ideas and different

1044
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,600
pressures pulling together.
But as they stayed together in

1045
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:24,360
Plymouth, I am, by the way,
commonly asked for this point.

1046
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:28,320
After that first winter, did the
Pilgrims really have anything to

1047
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:33,080
do with the first Thanksgiving?
And they did see that season.

1048
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,000
They had a decent harvest.
Not great, but certainly enough

1049
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,120
food to get through the winter.
They thought they ought to thank

1050
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,400
God for that.
But not only that, they felt

1051
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,520
Massasoit was so instrumental in
their survival, they should

1052
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,840
invite Massasoit, as immediate
family to that celebration.

1053
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,640
And they did.
Unfortunately, nobody explained

1054
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,360
to Massasoit the meaning of
immediate family.

1055
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:57,320
He brought 90 Braves while there
goes some food, but he did bring

1056
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,080
5 to here.
Venison, Turkey, fish,

1057
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,760
vegetables.
They had enough food for a three

1058
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,320
day celebration where they
honored one another and became

1059
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,520
better friends so just said they
would not forget what they had

1060
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,920
been through for the first
course of that three neat day

1061
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,960
meal.
Legend has it Governor Bradford

1062
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,600
put a quarter pound of cornbread
on everybody's place and asked

1063
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:21,080
everybody there to give him one
thing they were thankful for

1064
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,640
that first year in Plymouth and
that was our first Thanksgiving.

1065
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,520
So we did assimilate with the
with the natives, with the

1066
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,480
Indians and with one another in
those two different groups.

1067
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:36,120
And we assimilated into a strong
community that starting with 51

1068
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,760
people, founded the country we
have today.

1069
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,800
So when people say to me, I'm
only one person, I can't, what

1070
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,160
can I do?
51 people started your nation as

1071
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,720
a Christian nation.
There's always something you can

1072
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:55,480
do.
That is that.

1073
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,880
Should be an invitation, right?
And This is why I like having

1074
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:03,120
these conversations, because
quite frankly, as people, we do

1075
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,400
this thing where we turn our
historical figures and heroes.

1076
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,120
Into kind of marble statues,
right?

1077
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,680
And, and not that that's always
bad, it's good to remember,

1078
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,480
right?
We need to remember, but we need

1079
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,840
to remember fully.
And one of the things we do is

1080
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,920
we make, we kind of make gods
out of these men to a certain

1081
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,720
degree in that we don't show
their full humanity.

1082
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,440
We only show the good things
that they did, right?

1083
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:35,360
And that that works to our
detriment, I fear more often

1084
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:39,080
than not because we say, well, I
could never be that that good,

1085
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,120
right?
I could never be that guy all

1086
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,960
the time.
So I'm really disqualified from

1087
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,520
from the work.
So to speak.

1088
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,280
Right.
But the truth is, is that you're

1089
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,880
only hearing about a portion of
that man's life, right?

1090
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,960
You don't see him every day and
see his faults.

1091
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:00,320
God works with us Despite that.
And so to your point that that

1092
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,960
whole thing about I'm only one
guy or I'm only, it's only one

1093
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,280
family.
That's enough, right?

1094
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,400
That's enough to start.
For a spark.

1095
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,840
Of course, Yeah, yeah, and.
And you got a point.

1096
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:15,440
God uses me and I have no idea
why I I just don't know why he

1097
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,200
uses me.
I haven't done this my whole

1098
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:18,880
life.
I was a contractor.

1099
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,760
I didn't do this.
But now I started studying it.

1100
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,800
And when I do things and I talk
to people, things come out of my

1101
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,720
mouth and I say, where did that
come from?

1102
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,200
That wasn't me.
Where'd that come from?

1103
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:33,760
But I study a lot and and God
puts these ideas in my head that

1104
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:37,680
that are scripturally sound,
biblically sound, and they work

1105
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:42,480
into the story and it tells us
how this story is, is so good.

1106
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,680
And it's not because the people
were great people.

1107
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:48,960
It's because they believed in
God and God was was this was

1108
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,280
their king and they followed
God.

1109
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,680
So when they made mistakes, they
re evaluated and they turned

1110
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,720
back again to God and they kept
the covenant.

1111
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,120
But as I just said, as we move
and spread, people started

1112
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,120
breaking the covenant down and
they started removing God from

1113
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:06,520
his throne, and we got into
chaos.

1114
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,200
And that's where we are today.
We got to put God back in his

1115
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,280
throne.
And we do it through the

1116
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:15,520
children.
Our kids, the parents should be

1117
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:20,240
those kids heroes, because I'll
teach them how to be a good

1118
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,440
civil servant and how to behave
properly in this world.

1119
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:27,400
And that's where the heroes are.
The heroes are in the family.

1120
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:29,480
That's the lesson with the
pilgrims.

1121
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:33,120
They came as families.
That was their strength,

1122
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:41,880
families under God and and good
things happened because of that.

1123
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:45,440
And that's where I sit here on
the river at Plymouth.

1124
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,680
And I told you one side was
Harbor Marks Village and on the

1125
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:53,360
other side was the plantation.
And Harbor Marks Village was,

1126
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:57,480
was occupied three years after
the Pilgrims arrived.

1127
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:03,040
Not going to say we went here
first, but what happened is, is

1128
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,440
we went to civil government.
We changed everything we were

1129
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,040
producing.
And then they had a drought for

1130
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,520
two months.
Everything wilted.

1131
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,600
So on a Wednesday morning in
July, 90°, not a cloud in the

1132
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,800
sky, Governor Bradford turned
his people and he said we need

1133
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,240
to get on our knees and we need
to ask God what we've done

1134
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,320
wrong.
And they began to pray noontime,

1135
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:30,000
not a cloud. 2O clock, nothing.
4 O clock, a little cloud right

1136
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,280
above the plantation.
And by 6 O clock, it began to

1137
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,600
rain.
And I do not mean the kind of

1138
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,600
rain we're used to here in
Massachusetts, a nor'easter

1139
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,080
where everything gets knocked
over.

1140
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:44,440
But a soft, gentle rain fell on
Plymouth Plantation for two

1141
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:48,400
weeks and the crops were saved.
Somebody went up to the governor

1142
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,440
and said, hey, governor, what
you talk to God about what you

1143
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:51,800
pray about.
He said, well, you know what,

1144
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:56,160
maybe, just maybe we thought all
of this, we good results were

1145
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,320
us.
We were no longer humble.

1146
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,000
And there was a visitor when
that took place, that visitor's

1147
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,680
name, Hover Mock, the Indian
chief.

1148
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:06,880
Hover Mock going up to the
governor says, you know what,

1149
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,160
Governor, I like your God.
I just watch him save your

1150
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,080
crops.
And Hover Mock became a

1151
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:15,280
Christian, and that is when,
three years after the pilgrims

1152
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,880
arrived, he built his village
across the river so he could be

1153
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,920
closer to his Christian friends
and his Christian God.

1154
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:26,080
If I should shut the heaven so
it will not rain, or command the

1155
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:29,520
locust to devour the earth, or
send pestilence amongst My

1156
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:33,280
people, and if My people who are
called by My name will humble

1157
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,520
themselves and pray, turn from
their wicked ways and seek My

1158
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:40,560
face, then I will call on
heaven, forgive their sins and

1159
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,960
heal their land.
It happened then, it can still

1160
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,800
happen today.
You know, Leo, that is such an

1161
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,040
amazing story.
And, and it really reminds me of

1162
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:55,680
something that happened in in
Mormonism when when the Mormons

1163
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,920
get out West, they plant their
crops and then the next thing

1164
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:02,040
you know, a swarm of crickets
come in and they're about to

1165
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,800
devour it.
And they got to hit their knees

1166
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,200
and they start praying
immediately for relief.

1167
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:14,640
And seagulls begin to come in,
eat every one of the crickets,

1168
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,920
and the crops are saved.
Same sort of a premise, right?

1169
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,520
Oh yeah.
You got to hit your knees, you

1170
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:25,720
got to talk to your God if you
want to be have those blessings

1171
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:27,680
of peace, prosperity and
protection.

1172
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:31,080
That's right.
And again, to your point, that's

1173
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:34,760
why these people are just
people, but they follow God and

1174
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:39,240
that's why they shine.
So they, Bradford, did not want

1175
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,520
attention brought to him.
He did not want that.

1176
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:43,720
Leave me alone.
I'm just a man.

1177
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,920
They offered to make, to give
him the plantation, name it

1178
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:50,640
after him with a new covenant,
with a new way of doing things,

1179
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,080
and he refused to do it.
This is not mine.

1180
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,880
This is our country under God.
I'm not the guy.

1181
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:02,160
God's the guy.
We need some of that all right,

1182
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:06,600
so.
I I want to go because one of

1183
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:10,640
the geniuses of the American
system is it's, is it's economic

1184
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,760
machine, it's economic
principles.

1185
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:20,520
When, when the pilgrims first
touch ground, they don't

1186
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:25,120
necessarily think capitalism is
the way to go, right?

1187
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,320
They start out with a different
type of system.

1188
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,560
Is that correct?
Started out with a communal

1189
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:34,320
existence with communism,
socialism, but they were forced

1190
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,240
to do that by the people
financing the trip.

1191
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,560
But he knew it wouldn't work.
So three years into the

1192
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:44,440
adventure they went to to
capitalism, they all produced

1193
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:48,800
for themselves and then each
family produced and whatever

1194
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:52,640
they had leftover, they trade
with each other and the

1195
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:56,520
beginning of capitalism in our
country and that they knew the

1196
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,760
socialism wouldn't work.
She because they were they did

1197
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,080
everything under the Bible.
And when I tell people they did

1198
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,760
Bible economics, they say to me,
well, if they went for religious

1199
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,280
purposes, they couldn't have
certainly gone for economic

1200
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:09,880
purposes.
That doesn't mix.

1201
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,520
Of course it does.
Economics is mentioned more in

1202
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,080
the Bible than any other
subject.

1203
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,240
But the way they looked at it
and the whole idea of who owns

1204
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:21,120
the land and all this, if you
want to cut to the chase, to the

1205
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,640
creation, to the creator goes
the creation.

1206
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,400
God created the land and we're
made in his image.

1207
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,520
And to be in his image here,
now, we're responsible for the

1208
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:35,400
land he created, which means we
have to take care of his land.

1209
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:37,560
By the way, that doesn't mean
just mow the lawn.

1210
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,360
It also means get involved with
politics.

1211
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:43,720
We got to take care of his land.
So what they would do is when

1212
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:48,160
they worked on their land, it
wasn't to be profitable, really,

1213
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:49,920
it wasn't to make a lot of
money.

1214
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:55,920
It was to worship God.
Work is worship because God gave

1215
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,760
them that land and their job was
to produce the best they could

1216
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:02,560
offer that land to honor God.
And if you do that, the

1217
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:05,200
economics, the prophet comes
later.

1218
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,880
But if you get up, start
thinking, I'm going to do this

1219
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:10,040
just to make a profit, you're
probably not going to be

1220
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,600
successful.
And that's the way they did

1221
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:13,880
things.
You ever heard of a guy named

1222
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,279
Rush Limbaugh?
Yeah, yeah.

1223
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,880
Well, Rush Limbaugh did what he
did, but he never worried about

1224
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:22,120
making money.
He worried about doing the best

1225
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:25,359
he could do, doing what he did.
And when he passed away, he was

1226
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:28,920
making $42 million a year.
But that was not his goal.

1227
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,600
His goal was to do the best he
could with the talents God gave

1228
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:34,160
him.
And that's what biblical

1229
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:38,160
economics is all about.
Got you, got you.

1230
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:41,520
So when you said they had a
communal system, what did that

1231
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,439
system look like?
I mean, it can.

1232
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,640
Can you kind of give us an idea
of what what it was they were

1233
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,760
doing?
Yeah, they all worked a common

1234
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,840
field and at the end of the
season they said we evenly split

1235
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,120
with each other what they
produce.

1236
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:57,279
And of course people go that's
fair enough, but it's not

1237
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:01,200
because what would happen if you
and I went out in the field of

1238
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,120
work, you worked hard and I did
not.

1239
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:05,359
I would still be paid for.
Two were paid.

1240
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:07,800
There was no reward for hard
work.

1241
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:11,479
Under 2 canes, 51 die.
First three years they all

1242
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:12,680
almost starved.
Why?

1243
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:16,120
They didn't produce.
There was no incentive. 1623

1244
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,560
Governor Kopp brought the change
to land ownership.

1245
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,560
Now every family owned their own
land, grew their own food and

1246
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:23,920
fed themselves.
Then they simply traded with

1247
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:25,520
each other what they had
leftover.

1248
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:30,319
They tripled their production.
Interesting.

1249
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:33,720
So they, they gave, I mean,
they, they gave it a real try

1250
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:37,080
and it just as we can expect
now, right?

1251
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,520
I mean, socialism never pans
out.

1252
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:46,439
It always ends up in starvation.
And, and so then Bradford has to

1253
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:48,520
step in and basically say, OK,
we're going to do this a

1254
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,920
different way now.
Did that cause friction back in

1255
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:53,319
England?
Because they're doing it

1256
01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:57,120
differently than maybe what the
investors had initially told

1257
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,480
them to do.
Of course, because now we're

1258
01:09:59,480 --> 01:10:02,280
producing for ourselves and why
they did the communal existence

1259
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:05,560
is so the investors could get
paid 1st and everything else

1260
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:09,040
that pilgrims split with each
other evenly, but that obviously

1261
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,440
that didn't work.
But the other side of the thing

1262
01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:13,760
was for those seven years the
investors were supposed to

1263
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,680
support the pilgrims and they
sent nothing.

1264
01:10:17,480 --> 01:10:19,840
So the Pilgrims were
self-sustaining economically,

1265
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,360
unlike Jamestown who was
supported by England.

1266
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:26,640
So we, we were beholding to
nobody now because they didn't

1267
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,120
do what they said they were
going to do.

1268
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:34,160
And so but the Pilgrims, because
they said they would, they paid

1269
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:37,480
back their debt.
They kept one common field and

1270
01:10:37,480 --> 01:10:39,160
produced and sent that back to
England.

1271
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:42,280
So they paid back their debt at
50% interest.

1272
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:45,320
A.
Steep price.

1273
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,680
Yeah, yeah.
But they said that, and they

1274
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,320
didn't have to do that because
it was a business deal.

1275
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,800
If you and I went into business
and you had an idea and I

1276
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:55,680
financed at work, we both make
money.

1277
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:57,480
If it didn't, we both lose
money.

1278
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,720
And the conversation, that was a
business deal.

1279
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:02,560
It went bad.
They didn't have to pay that,

1280
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:04,480
but they did because they said
they would.

1281
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:06,760
Yeah.
Absolutely.

1282
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,720
What I want to go here real
quick.

1283
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:13,280
So I think this is again,
someplace where you can really

1284
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,320
not just see God's fingerprints.
You can see his whole hand

1285
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,920
moving here.
So had the.

1286
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:22,120
Separatist wound up where they
were initially aiming.

1287
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,800
Would they have bumped into
Squanto?

1288
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:27,600
Would they have bumped into
Massasoit?

1289
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,560
I mean, because they were so
instrumental, right?

1290
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:34,760
No, no, they were headed to the
Hudson River, which at that time

1291
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:36,240
was considered Northern
Virginia.

1292
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,880
See, they had they had a patent
to go to Virginia, but they

1293
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:41,960
wanted they could go to
Virginia, but they wanted to be

1294
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,840
far enough away from Jamestown
that they wouldn't be influenced

1295
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,800
by the Anglican Church.
So they were going to where the

1296
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,680
Hudson River is today.
That was Northern Virginia at

1297
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:53,160
the time.
They missed it by 200 miles,

1298
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:56,920
ended up here and had to write
their own, their own law.

1299
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:59,360
But had they landed there, no,
they never would have met

1300
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:03,000
Squanto Massasoit, none of that
would have happened.

1301
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:07,600
And they and they and, and, and
if another funny thing is the

1302
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:11,800
poptopside Indians were a
hostile tribe that was wiped out

1303
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,440
by the plague.
So if that plague didn't wipe

1304
01:12:14,440 --> 01:12:17,400
out that tribe, the Pilgrims
would have been killed.

1305
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:24,240
So you see, God's working in the
whole thing.

1306
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,160
There's no doubt about.
It well, and I'm just I'm

1307
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:28,520
sitting here thinking.
If.

1308
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,160
They wind up in Northern
Virginia.

1309
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:34,640
They don't even get an
opportunity to write their own

1310
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:37,760
laws at that point, right?
Because they're in somebody

1311
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:39,680
else's territory.
They have to live under the

1312
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:44,320
patent of the King and and but
on the other hand, they lived in

1313
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:46,800
the wrong place, 102 people.
They were driving the king

1314
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:48,120
crazy.
He could careless.

1315
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:50,520
I'll let them go.
They're just going to die and go

1316
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:52,680
away.
Unfortunately for the king, that

1317
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:57,040
started a country.
You know.

1318
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,360
Every so often you get wind that
the that that the British

1319
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,960
monarchy just continues to shoot
themselves in the foot.

1320
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:07,600
There's that and there's some
time when they decide to send

1321
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:13,280
the colonies 3 that's kind of
another themselves in the foot,

1322
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:22,720
sort of a a thing, but.
Like right?

1323
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:27,200
Yeah, I I got moving on in a
minute, but.

1324
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:34,680
OK, real quick, we'll if, how do
we right the ship now, right?

1325
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:40,560
Where do we go to find those
original national covenants that

1326
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:45,120
that were taken by by the
Separatists, right?

1327
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:48,360
What, what documents can people
look at to find those?

1328
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,760
Because I think, I think we're
in a time now where we have to

1329
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,800
really start reconsidering.
Do we do?

1330
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,920
We make this covenant within
families now within churches.

1331
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:01,600
Is it time to reignite that?
Yes, it is time to reignite

1332
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,240
that.
That's what we need to be.

1333
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:05,720
And we do start in the family
with the covenant of the husband

1334
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:09,680
and wife getting married and
under a covenant that they

1335
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:12,080
refuse to break.
Now they're being an example to

1336
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,200
their children.
This is the way you behave.

1337
01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:17,440
Now let's get into the Bible and
let's teach each other how

1338
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:21,480
biblical truths and biblical law
and turn that back around.

1339
01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:23,080
We're not going to do it from
the government.

1340
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:25,200
We're going to change the
country back to where it needs

1341
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:28,760
to be in the family, and that's
the only way we're going to do

1342
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,240
it, which exactly what the
pilgrims said, They came as

1343
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,560
families.
That's why they were successful

1344
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:36,560
families under God.
And we need to turn back to that

1345
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,800
one person at a time.
And if we do that, that's the

1346
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:43,160
only hope, in my opinion, of
getting back to the covenant

1347
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:49,080
where we were with the pilgrims,
where we need to be today. 100%,

1348
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:51,240
Leo, I won't keep you any
longer.

1349
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:53,320
I know you're up against it.
You're a busy guy.

1350
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:56,240
You're still leading tours and
doing stuff that that is just

1351
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,280
incredible.
So I really appreciate you being

1352
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:00,600
here.
I really, really do.

1353
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:02,600
My pleasure.
It's it's good to have.

1354
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:03,840
I had a good time.
Thank you.

1355
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:08,200
Good real quick, if someone
wanted to to to order something

1356
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:12,280
off of from your from your
store, where do they go to to do

1357
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:12,880
that?
Can they?

1358
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:14,800
Are you guys online?
It is.

1359
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:17,640
We are online.
We are the Jenny Interpreter

1360
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:23,080
Center at
info@thejennyjenney.org or

1361
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:27,880
www.thejenny.org.
Either one of those will take

1362
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,760
you to our website and we'll
show you what we do.

1363
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:32,720
And we do have a bookstore on
the website.

1364
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:36,760
Fantastic.
Well, Leo, again, I appreciate

1365
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:38,680
it.
We'll have to do this again.

1366
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:40,880
I really enjoyed this.
Thank you again for coming on.

1367
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:43,240
My pleasure and be happy to get
together with you again.

1368
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:46,760
Awesome, fantastic.
All right, I'm going to go tell

1369
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,920
some folks about the, the, the
monument to the Forefathers

1370
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:51,720
because that's the other thing
that doesn't get enough

1371
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:53,080
attention.
So.

1372
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:57,360
OK, anyway, in the meantime,
have a wonderful Thanksgiving.

1373
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:58,760
All right.
Thanks again, Leo.

1374
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:01,800
I really do appreciate it.
Everybody else, I'm going to be

1375
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:03,480
coming right back, so hang
tight.

1376
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:06,200
Few years back I started to get
the feeling that we, as

1377
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:09,400
fundamentalists and orthodox
Mormons, we need our own stuff.

1378
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,320
Up to now, we've been able to
buy and purchase all of our

1379
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:16,080
scriptures, books, art, and
music from other restoration

1380
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,280
organizations, and that's been
good.

1381
01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:21,080
But there's no guarantee it's
going to remain that way.

1382
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:25,000
Also, it can be a bit tricky as
you scour the Internet trying to

1383
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:28,200
find all the books from your
favorite fundamentalist or

1384
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:31,520
orthodox Mormon authors.
As I thought about this, I feel

1385
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:34,400
like I was really given a
solution now through the hard

1386
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:37,480
work of others, because let's
face it, I'm the guy least

1387
01:16:37,480 --> 01:16:39,600
qualified in all the world to
build a website.

1388
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:43,320
I'm happy to present to you 1830
mercantile.org.

1389
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,960
Right now on the website you can
see that we have all the books

1390
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:49,960
have ever been written by 4
authors, including names like

1391
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:53,720
Drew, Briny and Ogdenkraut.
Also very soon there will be a

1392
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:58,360
link to buy art and music all
produced by Mormons with a deep

1393
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:01,720
love for the restored gospel.
There's also places for you to

1394
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:06,040
get free resources where you can
find podcasts, videos, classes,

1395
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:09,760
and other presentations.
Also coming very soon there will

1396
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,960
be a place for events where you
can list the events from your

1397
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:16,760
organization so that you can get
the most out of that attendance.

1398
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,680
Now this can be as big as you
want it to be.

1399
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:22,720
It's all up to you guys out
there if you want to buy and

1400
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,480
post things on here.
Now, if you're someone who

1401
01:17:25,480 --> 01:17:28,680
produces something that you feel
like others can benefit from,

1402
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:32,440
1830 Mercantile is a place where
you can make all of those

1403
01:17:32,440 --> 01:17:35,800
products available for purchase.
All you need to do is drop me an

1404
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:38,880
e-mail at
mormonrenegade@gmail.com and put

1405
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:43,200
1830 in in the title of that
e-mail with a short message and

1406
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:46,360
either myself or someone else
from the 1830 Mercantile team

1407
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,320
will reach out to you so we can
get your product up there on the

1408
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:53,640
site.
Now to make sure that all the

1409
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:57,320
products that we offer are
affordable and to ensure that

1410
01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:01,800
the vast majority of the profits
go to the producer, the website

1411
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:05,760
percentage is only three to 4%
of the total cost.

1412
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:08,560
And that's just so I can pay the
pros that have created this

1413
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,080
website and keep the lights on
the website itself.

1414
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:15,000
Finally, by making some of your
purchases at 1830

1415
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:18,360
mercantile.org, you'll be
supporting folks whose

1416
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:21,640
principles and morals are close,
if not the same as yours.

1417
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:25,320
At the same time not giving your
money away to people who stand

1418
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:27,320
against everything you stand
for.

1419
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:30,680
So no matter if you're looking
to make a purchase or you're a

1420
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,920
seller that wants to get your
products listed, head on over to

1421
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:38,600
1830 mercantile.org today.
Drop me an e-mail and we'll make

1422
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:39,920
sure that we get back out to
you.

1423
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:43,600
Now back to the show.
There's one other thing in in in

1424
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,160
Plymouth.
I want to go over with you.

1425
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:48,520
And it was something Amber and I
visited while we were there in

1426
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:54,240
in this fall, in in September.
And that is a monument called

1427
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:58,200
the Forefathers monument.
Now, if you want to know more

1428
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:00,440
about this, because I'm just
going to skim the tops of the

1429
01:19:00,440 --> 01:19:02,680
mountains here, you can pick up
this book.

1430
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:05,720
This is called Monumental
prayers.

1431
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:10,040
It's by a woman named Michelle
Gallagher, and it goes into

1432
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:15,040
depth on what the monument means
and what what it's trying to

1433
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:18,880
convey.
And I can't encourage you enough

1434
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:20,960
to get that book.
It would make a great Christmas

1435
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:23,720
present and you're going to get
a lot from it.

1436
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:26,120
So I would absolutely encourage
everyone to do that.

1437
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:31,520
You can pick up that book by
going to Leo's website for the

1438
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:34,440
Jenny, which is his a gift shop
and museum.

1439
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,600
And he can he you can order it
from there and get it.

1440
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:40,600
And I'm sure you can get it by
by Christmas still, if if that's

1441
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,000
what you want to do.
Again, that's called monumental

1442
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:46,720
prayers by Michelle Gallagher.
All right, so let's let's go

1443
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:51,880
ahead and let's move on to the
to the actual monument itself.

1444
01:19:52,440 --> 01:19:56,760
Well, this is what's known as
the forefathers monument, OK, It

1445
01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:02,320
is a massive monument.
I think it stands. 81 feet tall

1446
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:09,280
from top to bottom.
It is a statue that has the lady

1447
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:12,840
here and we're going to talk
about her first up top here.

1448
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:18,120
And then it's got small smaller
statues on the bottom that are

1449
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:21,520
seated on pedestals and each
pedestal is a virtue.

1450
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:27,400
Now on the side of each
pedestal, there is a carving of

1451
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:36,080
a kind of a smaller carving of
other kind of adjacent virtues

1452
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:40,240
that go along with the other
virtue that that's on the

1453
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:43,280
pedestal.
So you'll, you kind of get the

1454
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:45,480
idea here and we're going to go
around, we're going to take a

1455
01:20:45,480 --> 01:20:48,920
look at each one of them.
Now, I can't encourage you

1456
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:50,280
enough to spend the time and go
up there.

1457
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:53,880
It's 100% free to go once you
get there.

1458
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:57,320
It sits on top of a hill that
overlooks all of Plymouth

1459
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:00,200
Plantation.
It looks you can see clear out

1460
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:02,320
to the Bay.
It's a beautiful view.

1461
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:05,200
And if you got young kids and
you want to teach them about

1462
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:08,160
America's founding, I can't
recommend this enough.

1463
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:11,840
The monument itself, the
original concept was in 1820,

1464
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:15,840
ends up being dedicated in
August of 1889.

1465
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:21,200
And it honors the ideals that
would later be embraced by the

1466
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:28,480
United States that really owe
their their owe their inception

1467
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:32,920
to the Pilgrims themselves.
And so I think there's a lot

1468
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:36,920
here we can take from this, both
from the standpoint of how to be

1469
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:40,560
better citizens, but even better
disciples of Jesus Christ.

1470
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:42,720
Because many of the things we're
going to talk about, all the

1471
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:45,720
things we're going to talk
about, you can find examples of

1472
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:48,000
in Scripture, and I'm going to
point those out as well as we go

1473
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:51,520
along here.
All right, so first is faith.

1474
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:55,760
She's the lady that stands up on
top there, and she stands above

1475
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,560
all the other virtues, which I
find interesting.

1476
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:03,400
But why do you think that is?
Well, I think first we have to

1477
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:06,560
look at what it is the Pilgrims
had to go through, both in their

1478
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:11,480
time in England, then as they go
to Holland, and then as they

1479
01:22:11,480 --> 01:22:18,160
make the boat ride and eventual
plantation in Plymouth in

1480
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,080
England.
They are under horrible

1481
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:22,320
conditions.
They're living in a time and a

1482
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:26,080
place where if you were caught
reading an unsanctioned Bible,

1483
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:29,600
or if someone was even
explaining to you what the Bible

1484
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:34,120
means who wasn't from the Church
of England, you could absolutely

1485
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:37,360
be taken to prison.
You could be executed.

1486
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,680
It was that serious of a crime.
So their thoughts are, let's

1487
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:42,120
just pick up and move to
Holland.

1488
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:45,120
And things are better in
Holland, but they're by no means

1489
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:48,760
conducive for forming the kind
of society and worshiping the

1490
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:50,760
way that the Pilgrims wanted to
worship.

1491
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:53,640
So that makes them look towards
the New World.

1492
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:57,080
So they secure financing.
They rent 2 boats.

1493
01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:00,120
One boat has way too many
problems, right?

1494
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:02,040
Keeps taking on water.
They got to turn around.

1495
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:04,560
Everybody climbs aboard the
Mayflower.

1496
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:07,240
They come over in horrible
conditions.

1497
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:10,280
Look, they crammed you down in
the hold, right?

1498
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:14,400
And so you're just down there
and you know you're being tossed

1499
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,040
about as storms come.
When you need to use the

1500
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:20,080
restroom, it's in a bucket, like
the food is tainted.

1501
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:24,440
It's not a great time.
They get to Plymouth, and it's

1502
01:23:24,440 --> 01:23:26,120
not like they're rolling into
town, right?

1503
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:30,080
There's nothing there.
So they embark in December,

1504
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:31,600
right?
I don't know if you've ever

1505
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,400
visited the the Northeast in
December.

1506
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:38,760
It is cold, wet and miserable.
It is not great.

1507
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:45,240
And through this all, they
maintain a relatively happy

1508
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:49,440
disposition.
In fact, Bradford even talks

1509
01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:54,080
about it a little bit and he
says this born there, sad

1510
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:57,920
afflictions with as much
patience and contentedness as I

1511
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,560
think any people could do.
But it was the Lord who upheld

1512
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:03,840
them.
So what made him do it?

1513
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:05,440
What made him stick it out
Right?

1514
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:07,960
They could have jumped back on
the Mayflower and went home and

1515
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:10,800
they didn't.
That first winter over half the

1516
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:14,440
colony dies.
Out of 118 people, only 51

1517
01:24:14,440 --> 01:24:17,720
survived that first winter.
And so they had the opportunity

1518
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,560
after our first winter to board
the boat and go home, but they

1519
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:22,080
didn't, they stayed.
Why?

1520
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:26,680
Well, faith plays such a massive
component here.

1521
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:34,160
Faith is forever tied to hope.
If you have faith, you have

1522
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:38,400
hope, and hope can pull you
through a lot of things.

1523
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:42,680
But faith is even more stronger
than that because it allows you

1524
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:46,200
to know that there is a God and
he has a plan and that you're

1525
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:48,040
not just left to your own
devices.

1526
01:24:48,440 --> 01:24:51,280
If you walk up to the things
that you're supposed to do so

1527
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:53,440
they can have faith in that and
say, you know what, you're

1528
01:24:53,440 --> 01:24:56,560
right, this does stink right
now, but we're on to something

1529
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,680
bigger and better, and we need
to stick this through.

1530
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:02,440
And it's through their faith
that they're able to endure all

1531
01:25:02,440 --> 01:25:06,520
of these things and not just
endure it, but endure it well to

1532
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:09,240
the point that they're still
instruments in God's hands to

1533
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:13,000
use.
I want to read you Matthew 6

1534
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:16,480
verse 25 and 26 speaks a lot
about faith.

1535
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:21,120
Says therefore I say unto you,
Take no thought for your life,

1536
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:26,320
what you shall eat or or what
you shall drink, nor for your

1537
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:31,640
body what you shall put on them.
Is not life more than meat, and

1538
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:35,680
the body more than raiment?
Behold the fowls of the air, for

1539
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:40,240
they sow they excuse me, for
they sow not, neither do they do

1540
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:44,680
they reap nor gather into barns,
yet your heavenly Father feedeth

1541
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:46,120
them.
I think we don't fulfill

1542
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:51,320
whatever mission our Lord gives
us because we don't have the

1543
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:52,640
faith necessary.
Or we're.

1544
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:56,680
Scared, right?
Being scared is normal.

1545
01:25:57,600 --> 01:25:59,480
Being nervous about things,
that's normal.

1546
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:03,920
But it's that faith in that hope
that allows us to stare.

1547
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:07,720
The scary things in the face.
To just stare them down and say,

1548
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:09,960
you know what, it's scary, but
I'm going to do it anyway.

1549
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:13,080
And the pilgrims absolutely do
this.

1550
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:18,800
They're able to to do this
Despite that fear.

1551
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:22,600
Look, they're leaving the only
place they've ever known, going

1552
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:25,600
to a foreign land, not sure what
to expect when they get there

1553
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:29,480
from the natives, not sure what
to grow when they get there, but

1554
01:26:29,480 --> 01:26:33,440
they're doing it anyway because
they had faith, they had hope.

1555
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:37,280
And because they had faith, they
could stare the fear in the face

1556
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:39,920
and say we're going to do it no
matter what.

1557
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:43,920
OK, that takes us to the first
pedestal now.

1558
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:48,040
OK, the first one is.
Morality, and there is so much

1559
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:48,720
here to.
Unpack.

1560
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:50,200
I can't wait for this part of
it.

1561
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:54,640
The Pilgrims experience in
Holland it.

1562
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:58,360
Wasn't horrible, but it.
Wasn't right either.

1563
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:02,160
So they get out of England,
right, which had to be a huge

1564
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:05,160
relief because now you don't got
to worry about going to jail.

1565
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,440
Holland was like, look, we don't
care what you believe, we don't

1566
01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:09,720
care how you practice.
As long as you're not infringing

1567
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:11,080
on the rights of others, you're
good.

1568
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:19,280
So they go to Holland and they
end up really being kind of

1569
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:22,040
embraced, right They.
Develop very.

1570
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:25,160
Quickly a reputation as a people
who was industrious, who was

1571
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:28,520
willing to work and work hard
and so finding jobs wasn't a

1572
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,520
problem.
And as they get there, they're

1573
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:33,640
destitute.
And so the people in Holland,

1574
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:36,280
you know, the shopkeepers, they
take a chance on them, they

1575
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:38,920
extend them credit.
Well, they're better paying than

1576
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:41,520
a lot of the the the locals from
Holland.

1577
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:44,640
And so they developed this
reputation of they're going to

1578
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:47,280
pay you no matter what if they
owe that to you.

1579
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:49,920
And so they develop a really
good rapport.

1580
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:52,840
But yet there were some things
there that just weren't quite

1581
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:55,560
right that they couldn't make it
work.

1582
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:59,960
But nonetheless, they cultivated
this reputation of being a very

1583
01:27:59,960 --> 01:28:04,680
moral people.
Again, Bradford says this they

1584
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:06,920
endeavored to show.
A rare example of.

1585
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:10,840
Brotherly and Christian care
this is when they're in Holland

1586
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:13,400
right they and and they even
make some converts while they're

1587
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:17,040
there because of the example
that they set and how they treat

1588
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:22,400
other people.
Bradford would also go on to to

1589
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:25,760
say this in the first 3 decades.
Excuse me, this.

1590
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,680
Isn't this isn't.
Bradford This is a guy named

1591
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:31,640
Bartlett who wrote a book called
The Faith of the Pilgrims.

1592
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:35,400
And he says in the first 3
decades of Plymouth, no stranger

1593
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:38,680
was turned away.
And the plantation endeavored to

1594
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:43,080
extend hospitality to those who
came, who came seeking a haven.

1595
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:47,400
So if you were someone who was
cast out of English society or

1596
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:51,280
whatnot, and you went to the New
World and you encountered the

1597
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:54,320
Pilgrims, they were going to do
everything that they could to

1598
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:58,520
take care of you.
They had a moral compass that

1599
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:03,120
would not allow you to go hungry
or UN unsheltered.

1600
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:07,640
They were there and they were
there because quite frankly, I

1601
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:10,360
think they remembered what they
were coming from as well.

1602
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:14,640
But also, this is who they are,
right?

1603
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,280
They try to live everything.
They read from the.

1604
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:21,360
Bible to the best of their
abilities to be able to be the

1605
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:25,160
people that exude Christ like
love and Christ like morality.

1606
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:32,520
This is a quote from John Adams
almost 200 years down the road

1607
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:36,440
from the Pilgrims.
But he has this to say when when

1608
01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:38,240
he's talking about the
Constitution.

1609
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:43,200
He says we have no government
armed with power, capable of

1610
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:47,640
contending with human passions
unbridled by morality and

1611
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:50,600
religion.
Our Constitution was made only

1612
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:52,440
for a moral and religious
people.

1613
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:58,440
It is wholly inadequate to the
government of any other if we

1614
01:29:58,440 --> 01:30:02,000
want to enjoy liberty, if we.
Want freedom?

1615
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:06,560
We have to be willing to govern
ourselves, right?

1616
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:10,600
We have to be able to have a
king right?

1617
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:15,000
Now, hear me out.
If you're going to take away the

1618
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:16,840
Earthly King, there's got to be
an.

1619
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:20,320
Authority that steps.
In the Pilgrims understood that

1620
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:23,920
that was God, that you didn't
need an earthly king, that you

1621
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:27,000
could have God and he could lay
forth your morality.

1622
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:30,920
And in order for the
Constitution of the United

1623
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:35,520
States to work, we have to be,
as Adams put it, a moral and

1624
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:36,520
religious.
People.

1625
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:39,080
Look, I don't care what anybody
says.

1626
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:41,800
All people are religious,
everyone of them.

1627
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:44,440
It's just a matter about who
you're going to make your God.

1628
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:48,840
Is your God going to be the God
of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

1629
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:51,920
Or is your God?
Going to be leisure and comfort,

1630
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:53,760
Is it going to be the
environment?

1631
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:56,880
Is it going to be government?
What is it?

1632
01:30:57,640 --> 01:31:03,160
But every person is religious by
nature, and I think that the

1633
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:05,600
Adams recognizes this and that's
why.

1634
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:10,880
He's saying it and.
Adams he's he's basically saying

1635
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:13,360
this government is.
Suited to America.

1636
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:16,040
Why?
Because during this time, I

1637
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:18,240
believe it's many of these
principles here that we're going

1638
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:22,200
to go over.
They've been instilled down to

1639
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:25,400
that day by their Pilgrim
forebears.

1640
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:28,640
Here is Mosiah chapter 2, verse
17.

1641
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:31,680
And behold, I tell you these
things that you may learn,

1642
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:34,960
wisdom that you may learn, that
when you are in the service of

1643
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:37,680
your fellow beings, you are only
in the service of your God.

1644
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:43,160
Again, once you have morality,
you stop looking inward as much

1645
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:46,400
and you start looking outward to
bless other people.

1646
01:31:47,480 --> 01:31:49,880
That is the mark of true
discipleship as well.

1647
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:55,720
Now on the side.
Of the pedestal on one of the

1648
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:57,560
sides of the pedestal of
morality.

1649
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:03,920
Is the evangelist Evangelist is
equal to proclaiming the gospel?

1650
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:08,600
OK, The pilgrims understood that
there was a Commission that they

1651
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:10,720
had that they.
Had to use.

1652
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:13,160
Right.
And it was, it's laid out in

1653
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:14,400
Scripture.
We're going to cover a few of

1654
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:18,560
those verses that they needed to
continue to try to further the

1655
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:20,880
Kingdom of God.
And they do this.

1656
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:25,560
In 1653A Puritan minister named
John Elliott hoped to better

1657
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:28,960
evangelize the native population
by presenting the gospel in

1658
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:32,400
their native tongue.
For 8 painstaking years, Elliott

1659
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:35,640
worked with linguists and
translators to produce a

1660
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:38,840
translation of the Bible in the
Algonquin language.

1661
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:42,760
In time, there would be whole
towns of Native Americans who

1662
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:46,120
would convert to Christianity.
They were known as the Praying

1663
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:49,000
Indian communities.
And as you can see by their

1664
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:51,240
example, they understood that
just because you're in a new

1665
01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:54,880
place, that doesn't relieve you
of the Commission to further the

1666
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:56,560
Kingdom and proclaiming the
Gospel.

1667
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:01,400
Matthew 2829.
The Savior says go ye therefore.

1668
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:04,200
And teach all.
Nations baptizing them in the

1669
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:06,960
name of the Father, and of the
Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

1670
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:11,240
Then staying, staying with this
theme and Doctrine and

1671
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:14,800
Covenants, Section 28, verse 8.
It says, And now behold, I say

1672
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:17,880
unto you, that ye shall go unto
the Lamanites, and preach my

1673
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:21,120
gospel unto them, and inasmuch
as they receive thy teachings,

1674
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:23,800
thou shall cause my Church to be
established among them.

1675
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:29,440
OK, very clear here.
This is an interesting parallel.

1676
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:32,360
The pilgrims get there and.
They immediately.

1677
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:37,200
Start talking about the Gospel,
the church is organized and

1678
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:39,800
immediately missionaries go.
Out to the native.

1679
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:42,560
Americans there.
This is not an accident.

1680
01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:45,440
I believe that that.
They.

1681
01:33:45,440 --> 01:33:49,800
May not have had the knowledge
to back it up, but the the

1682
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:54,040
pilgrims understood that every
soul was had its worth.

1683
01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:57,480
They didn't understand that
these were actually people that

1684
01:33:57,480 --> 01:34:00,040
the descendants of people from
the Middle East, but yet they

1685
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:03,240
still felt that calling.
Likewise, as soon as the Church

1686
01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:07,160
is established, the first thing
the Lord has Joseph do is send

1687
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:10,160
missionaries to the natives.
Fascinating parallel.

1688
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:15,000
This is where it really gets
interesting on the other side.

1689
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:18,960
Of the pedestal is the.
Prophet, OK, as you can see

1690
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:23,400
here, he's he's he's he's
holding the Decalogue.

1691
01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:31,080
He's looking towards heaven,
proclaiming things the pilgrims

1692
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:33,760
were.
Very they they operated with an

1693
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:36,880
understanding that anybody.
Could be a prophet, right?

1694
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:41,760
If you could, if you could call
to repentance, you're acting in

1695
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:45,120
the prophet's role.
They also understood that that

1696
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:48,320
people would receive revelation
and that they would be a begin

1697
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:50,440
to be able to expound the
Scriptures.

1698
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:55,680
And so this, this idea of, of
prophecy here, it ties in real

1699
01:34:55,680 --> 01:35:00,280
heavily with with with the
pilgrims mission of coming to

1700
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:03,080
America.
Likewise, there's a there's a

1701
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:05,240
great scripture.
We've read it 1000 times.

1702
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:09,200
Surely the Lord God will do
nothing but he revealeth his

1703
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:11,120
secret unto his servants, the
prophets.

1704
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:15,400
OK, we should seek to cultivate
that in our own lives, that gift

1705
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:19,800
of prophecy, because it's so
vitally needed to our walk here.

1706
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:24,320
And and this is a good place to
go back a little bit.

1707
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:25,800
Let me.
Let me go back here.

1708
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:30,160
For just a second, if you look
at morality, she's holding two

1709
01:35:30,160 --> 01:35:32,120
things.
In her left hand, she's holding

1710
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:36,120
the law right, the Decalogue
stone here in her right hand,

1711
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:39,080
she's holding a scroll.
Well, I get some research to try

1712
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:42,400
to figure out what that scroll
was, and what I found was that

1713
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:48,680
it's a scroll of revelation.
OK, so to be a truly moral

1714
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:52,800
people, you're going to need
revelation.

1715
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:58,880
You're not going to be able just
to have the law and think that

1716
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:01,680
that is it.
We are not a sola scriptura

1717
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:04,160
people.
We are a people who believe that

1718
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:09,400
revelation is needed and from
time to time prophetic gifts are

1719
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:11,400
handed out, even to a guy like
me.

1720
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:13,960
I want to give you a story here
to to show you how this might

1721
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:17,600
work.
This was shortly after Amber and

1722
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:22,960
I were first married and I had I
had went to the temple that

1723
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:26,760
morning and Amber and her mom
were going to go to to the mall

1724
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:30,440
in Boise and do some shopping.
And so the plan was as I would

1725
01:36:30,440 --> 01:36:33,360
just meet up with them.
Well, I got done with my session

1726
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:36,680
and I parked my car and I got
out and Amber and her mom were

1727
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:38,560
just pulling in.
So I mean, it was perfect

1728
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:40,840
timing.
And as we're walking into the

1729
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:46,520
store, into the mall there, I
walked past this this van, and

1730
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:49,360
the van has tinted windows, but
I could see a gentleman leaning

1731
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:52,120
up against the window and he was
pale.

1732
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:53,840
I, I, I couldn't see that he was
pale.

1733
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:57,480
He looked normal.
But his, his, I found out later

1734
01:36:57,480 --> 01:37:01,200
it was his daughter.
She was in the driver's seat and

1735
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:03,600
she was, she was just kind of
talking on her phone.

1736
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:07,640
And so I just assumed that guy
was sleeping.

1737
01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:12,000
And I took about two steps past
his door and I got a very

1738
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:14,480
distinct message.
Go open that door.

1739
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:18,320
Now, I thought, I'm not opening
that door, That's a carjacking.

1740
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:23,280
But I, I took two more steps and
the spirit hit so strong and it

1741
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:25,520
was so unmistakable.
Go open that door.

1742
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:28,440
And I remember I just stopped.
And it was the weirdest

1743
01:37:28,440 --> 01:37:30,000
experience.
It felt like I had tunnel

1744
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:32,320
vision.
And I remember Amber's mom

1745
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:34,360
stopped and she looked at me and
she said, are you OK?

1746
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:38,120
And I said, I just kind of shook
my head and I turned back around

1747
01:37:38,440 --> 01:37:40,400
and I opened the door of that
car.

1748
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:43,040
And as I opened the door, this
man comes spilling out.

1749
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:47,040
He's a big guy.
And so I catch him, and as he

1750
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:50,320
unfolds, he takes this great
big, deep breath, and he starts

1751
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:52,960
breathing.
But I noticed that he was pale.

1752
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:56,600
His lips were blue.
He lost control of his bowels.

1753
01:37:56,600 --> 01:38:00,160
I mean, he was in bad state, but
because he was facing away from

1754
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:02,120
his daughter, she couldn't see
him.

1755
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:06,320
And so she, you know, looks at
me and it probably thought it

1756
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:08,880
was a carjacking.
But as I'm holding her dad and

1757
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:11,040
she looks at her dad, she can
see that something's wrong.

1758
01:38:11,440 --> 01:38:14,480
She hangs up dials 911.
The paramedics get there and me

1759
01:38:14,480 --> 01:38:18,320
and me and Amber and and and her
mom go off into the into the

1760
01:38:18,360 --> 01:38:22,920
mall.
But here is here is what I'm

1761
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:26,160
saying is that there are going
to be times where prophecy in

1762
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:28,760
your own life is going to be
necessary, where you're going to

1763
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:33,040
have to be open to receiving the
messages that God has for you.

1764
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:37,240
And sometimes you relay those to
others and sometimes act on

1765
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:39,720
those.
But nonetheless, prophecy is

1766
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:43,600
absolutely needed in in our day
here and to fulfill these

1767
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:47,120
missions.
America itself was looked at as

1768
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:49,600
a land of promise.
And the pilgrims expected that

1769
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:52,120
prophecy was going to be a part
of it.

1770
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:57,760
Now, Speaking of prophecy, I
want to talk about Thomas

1771
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:01,160
Jefferson here for a minute.
Before we get into anything too

1772
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:04,720
groundbreaking, I want to say
this Jefferson, he understands

1773
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:07,200
the assignment.
He knows what's wrong, right?

1774
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:10,200
And it's evidenced by this quote
here.

1775
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:14,600
He says, I hold the precepts of
Jesus as delivered by himself to

1776
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:18,360
be the most pure, benevolent,
and sublime which I've ever been

1777
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:20,800
preached to man.
I adhere to principles of the

1778
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:24,320
first stage and consider all
subsequent innovations as

1779
01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:29,000
corruptions of religion, having
no foundation in what came from

1780
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:31,520
him.
OK, So what he's saying here is

1781
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:35,280
he's like, look, by this point
in time, 1800 years after the

1782
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:40,120
birth of the Savior, we've lost
a ton and there has been a ton

1783
01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:43,800
that has been corrupted.
Jefferson understood the problem

1784
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:48,280
at hand when it came to
religion, but Jefferson would go

1785
01:39:48,280 --> 01:39:50,560
on to make a prophecy.
And I find this really.

1786
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:55,320
Fascinating.
Here's what he says if the

1787
01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:57,240
freedom of religion.
Guaranteed to us.

1788
01:39:57,240 --> 01:39:59,400
By law in.
Theory can.

1789
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:04,160
Ever rise in practice, truth
will prevail over fanaticism,

1790
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:08,000
and the genuine doctrines of
Jesus, so long perverted by

1791
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:12,360
pseudo priests, will again be
restored to their original

1792
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:13,480
purity.
But it's.

1793
01:40:13,480 --> 01:40:15,400
Too late for me.
And he was right.

1794
01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:18,560
Jefferson would not get to
witness the restoration, but

1795
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:23,120
nonetheless, something in him,
the spirit, whispers to him.

1796
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:27,120
Once freedom of.
Religion is established, there

1797
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:32,760
will be a restoration.
So what was he referring to?

1798
01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:35,800
Obviously he's referring to
Joseph Smith and the.

1799
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:39,640
Things that he restored, that is
what he was referring to.

1800
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:42,840
So America again, a land of
prophecy.

1801
01:40:43,320 --> 01:40:48,640
OK, moving on, John Winthrop,
the City on the Hill speech

1802
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:51,600
slash prophecy and covenant is a
big part.

1803
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:53,280
I'm going to read you a portion
of it right now.

1804
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:56,560
Pay attention.
Pick out the parts where he's

1805
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:58,880
he's, he's.
He's making a.

1806
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:01,920
Prophecy, he says the Lord.
Will be our God.

1807
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:05,120
And delight to dwell amongst us
as His own people, and will

1808
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:08,640
command a blessing upon us in
all our ways, so that we shall

1809
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:12,000
see much more of His wisdom,
power, goodness, and truth, than

1810
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:13,680
formerly we have been acquainted
with.

1811
01:41:14,040 --> 01:41:17,840
When we shall find that the God
of Israel is amongst us.

1812
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:23,600
When ten of us shall be able to
resist 1000 of our enemies, when

1813
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:26,560
he shall make us a praise and a
glory that men shall say of

1814
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:31,160
succeeding plantations, may the
Lord make it like that of New

1815
01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:34,840
England.
OK, so here it is the God.

1816
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:38,440
The Lord will be our God, and
delight to dwell amongst us.

1817
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:43,360
OK, that he shall show unto us
more of his wisdom, power, and

1818
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:47,160
goodness, and truth, and that
ten of us will be able to

1819
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:50,760
withstand 1000 of our enemies.
So the question is, did it

1820
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:54,520
happen?
1st we have the Revolutionary

1821
01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:57,560
War.
Look, we were vastly.

1822
01:41:57,560 --> 01:41:59,720
Outnumbered.
I'm not sure what the ratio was,

1823
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:02,840
but we were outnumbered.
We England is the superpower of

1824
01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:06,840
the day, the biggest army, the
biggest Navy, best trained, best

1825
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:12,280
supplied, you name it.
And way more British regulars

1826
01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:15,240
than there are American
colonists.

1827
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:19,520
But nonetheless, the victory has
had that picture down at the

1828
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:20,840
bottom there.
That's one of my favorite

1829
01:42:20,840 --> 01:42:24,840
pictures of the Revolution, and
that is in Yorktown when

1830
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:28,440
Washington strikes the deciding
blow in the Revolution.

1831
01:42:28,440 --> 01:42:31,160
There was a few more battles
after this, but everybody knew

1832
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:34,560
at that time that whoever won in
Yorktown was most likely going

1833
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:38,000
to win it all together.
And he forces Cornwallis to

1834
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:42,160
surrender.
Now Cornwallis, he's beside

1835
01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:44,520
himself that he's been beat by
farmers.

1836
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:48,920
And blacksmiths.
And essentially what he terms as

1837
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:53,000
colonial rabble, right?
These were the backwoods guys

1838
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:58,120
that weren't sophisticated yet
they beat the best army and Navy

1839
01:42:58,120 --> 01:43:02,320
in the world at that day.
And he's so humiliated that he

1840
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:04,640
can't even bring himself to
surrender his own sword.

1841
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:08,080
He feigns an illness and then
sends one of his lackeys to do

1842
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:10,600
it.
So how about that part of the

1843
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:11,840
process?
So that's one part of the

1844
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:15,680
prophecy, prophecy that Winthrop
made that is absolutely checked

1845
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:17,600
off.
What about that part about the

1846
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:19,440
God of Israel dwelling amongst
us?

1847
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:22,880
Well, certainly we have two for
sure accounts, right?

1848
01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:26,880
The Lord showing up to Joseph
Smith in the Sacred Grove, and

1849
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:29,320
then the Lord showing up again
in the Kirtland Temple.

1850
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:33,680
So that's a check.
What about imparting unto us way

1851
01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:36,880
more of His wisdom, knowledge,
truth, and goodness?

1852
01:43:37,480 --> 01:43:41,560
I again, that is a yes.
As Joseph Smith restores truth,

1853
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:47,960
mankind seems sees much more of
his knowledge and truth and

1854
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:52,040
wisdom than ever before.
It absolutely happened.

1855
01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:56,760
OK, that takes us to the law
now.

1856
01:43:57,240 --> 01:44:00,280
Despite being in the minority,
the Pilgrims were the only

1857
01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:03,400
passengers aboard the Mayflower
with any experience in self

1858
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:06,200
governance.
They drafted a new agreement to

1859
01:44:06,200 --> 01:44:11,400
replace their old land patent.
Each signer of the new compact

1860
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:15,160
swore an oath.
Do excuse me, swore an oath

1861
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:18,920
before God and each other,
pledging to submit to all duly

1862
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:22,840
elected leaders and laws of
their new settlements which

1863
01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:25,360
would be enacted for the good of
everyone.

1864
01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:28,680
Notice they didn't just say
we're just going to obey any

1865
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:31,160
law.
They said only that law which is

1866
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:34,520
good for everyone.
The Pilgrims recognize that was

1867
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:37,520
only through the establishment
of law that liberty could be

1868
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:40,680
found.
We need to parse out some words

1869
01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:42,640
here.
Freedom and liberty.

1870
01:44:42,840 --> 01:44:44,480
Those are two.
Different things.

1871
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:47,640
So often we use them
interchangeably.

1872
01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:50,960
And they can be, but I don't
think they necessarily are the

1873
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:53,960
same things, right?
You can live in a state of

1874
01:44:53,960 --> 01:44:57,720
anarchy and say you have maximum
freedom, but not really.

1875
01:44:57,720 --> 01:45:02,680
And let me explain why You might
have the Max amount of freedom

1876
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:06,560
to do whatever it is you want to
do, but there is nothing to

1877
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:09,960
safeguard all the things you
worked for being taken from you.

1878
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:15,040
That's not liberty.
That might be ultimate freedom,

1879
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:18,800
but that's not liberty.
You only have liberty once.

1880
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:22,760
You have a nation of laws, and
that's because you now have the

1881
01:45:22,760 --> 01:45:28,760
freedom to go to work and buy
land, buy a home, buy a car,

1882
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:33,080
whatever it is, right?
You buy, that's your stuff.

1883
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:37,160
You worked for it, and now you
have the liberty to enjoy it

1884
01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:41,440
because of law, right?
We know that with law.

1885
01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:44,680
There come restraints.
Against doing things that are

1886
01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:50,160
detrimental to people and
societies, The Pilgrims also had

1887
01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:53,000
a view of law.
That was unique.

1888
01:45:53,200 --> 01:45:57,280
They didn't look at it as coming
from a king, they looked at it

1889
01:45:57,280 --> 01:46:00,040
as coming from God.
And this is evidenced in the

1890
01:46:00,040 --> 01:46:04,400
fact that they quoted a lot from
Isaiah, specifically Isaiah

1891
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:08,920
Chapter 9, where it says, For
unto us a child is born, unto us

1892
01:46:08,920 --> 01:46:11,840
a son is given, and the
government shall be upon his

1893
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:13,920
shoulder.
Of the increase of His

1894
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:16,360
government and peace there shall
be no end.

1895
01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:20,480
Upon the throne of David, and
upon his Kingdom, to order it,

1896
01:46:20,480 --> 01:46:25,000
and to establish it with
judgement and with justice from

1897
01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:27,880
henceforth, even forever.
OK.

1898
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:32,920
They viewed Christ as their
King, and that's who we should

1899
01:46:32,920 --> 01:46:35,040
view as our King is Christ
himself.

1900
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:40,680
Christ's laws are there as very
civilizing laws, right?

1901
01:46:40,920 --> 01:46:46,560
Preventing anarchy.
This is DNC 134 verses one

1902
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:48,600
through 2.
Says we believe that

1903
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:51,680
governments.
Were instituted of God for the

1904
01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:55,000
benefit of man, and that He
holds men accountable for their

1905
01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:58,800
acts in relation to them, both
in making laws and administering

1906
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:01,240
them for the good and safety of
society.

1907
01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:06,160
We believe that no government
can exist in peace except such

1908
01:47:06,160 --> 01:47:09,720
laws are framed and held
inviolate as will secure to each

1909
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:13,080
individual the free exercise of
conscience, the right and

1910
01:47:13,080 --> 01:47:15,880
control of property, and the
protection of life.

1911
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:22,600
Through their letter here in DNC
One. 34 early leaders of the

1912
01:47:22,600 --> 01:47:26,040
Church.
Are echoing the same thing that

1913
01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:30,080
the pilgrims did.
It's of divine nature that laws

1914
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:34,080
are there to make sure that man
can have liberty and that

1915
01:47:34,440 --> 01:47:36,520
freedom is protected for
mankind.

1916
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:38,360
That is the purpose of
government.

1917
01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:43,200
That takes us to one of the side
panels on the on the.

1918
01:47:43,200 --> 01:47:47,280
Pedestal of of law and that.
Is justice Societies can only

1919
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:50,760
function if justice is enforced.
As we see.

1920
01:47:50,760 --> 01:47:53,920
Today, when we get the feeling
like justice isn't done, what

1921
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:56,680
happens?
What begins to grade on society

1922
01:47:56,680 --> 01:47:59,960
and it causes society to fray at
the ends and it begins to become

1923
01:47:59,960 --> 01:48:02,520
undone.
And why is this?

1924
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:08,800
It's because if you live in a
society without justice, again,

1925
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:11,960
you can't count on being able to
work for.

1926
01:48:11,960 --> 01:48:15,400
Something and keep it.
It can be taken from you and so

1927
01:48:15,400 --> 01:48:17,680
it it requires justice to be
done.

1928
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:21,040
I want to talk about the about a
guy named Arthur Peach.

1929
01:48:22,040 --> 01:48:23,920
So forgive me.
I couldn't find where he came

1930
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:27,360
from, if he was on the original
boat with the pilgrims or if he

1931
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:31,840
comes over later.
But regardless, Arthur Peach is

1932
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:35,920
a pretty rough guy, a drunkard.
He constantly getting in

1933
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:38,560
people's faces and causing
fights.

1934
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:40,880
I mean, he's just not a good
guy.

1935
01:48:41,160 --> 01:48:45,080
And as tends to be the case, he
attracts others that are kind of

1936
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:47,880
of his same ilk.
And they form a band and, and

1937
01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:51,320
they, they're suspected of
stealing stuff all the time.

1938
01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:55,280
And it can never be proven, but
nonetheless, it's, it's going on

1939
01:48:56,480 --> 01:48:58,560
one day they're they're hanging
out in the forest.

1940
01:49:00,160 --> 01:49:02,760
Peach and and his.
Band of miscreants, I guess.

1941
01:49:03,120 --> 01:49:07,120
And they see a, a couple of of
Native Americans coming back

1942
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:08,640
from Plymouth.
They've been there trading,

1943
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:09,880
right?
And so they're coming back with

1944
01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:13,680
some goods and Peach and his men
decide that you know what, they

1945
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:16,840
want that stuff.
And so they're going to take it

1946
01:49:16,840 --> 01:49:19,600
from this Indian.
So they grab the guy who's

1947
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:22,120
carrying everything, the other
Indian, he takes off for the

1948
01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:24,680
hills and they take this Indian
stuff.

1949
01:49:24,680 --> 01:49:27,840
But in the process of doing it,
they beat him to death.

1950
01:49:28,240 --> 01:49:35,600
I mean, it is, it is horrific.
And so the you know, this Indian

1951
01:49:35,720 --> 01:49:38,240
that escaped, he comes back and
says what happened?

1952
01:49:38,760 --> 01:49:42,800
And look, the the pilgrims
weren't about that.

1953
01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:45,920
And so they immediately.
Get a warrant, they arrest.

1954
01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:49,240
Him and and his whole band.
And they put.

1955
01:49:49,240 --> 01:49:51,920
Him on trial they find him
guilty and they kill him.

1956
01:49:52,160 --> 01:49:54,320
They they, they execute him by
hanging.

1957
01:49:55,160 --> 01:49:58,240
And this is what Bradford has to
say about it.

1958
01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:02,080
Some of the Indians were present
for the execution and as

1959
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:05,520
Bradford would put it
afterwards, it gave all the

1960
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:08,360
county satisfaction or excuse
me, all the country

1961
01:50:08,360 --> 01:50:11,320
satisfaction.
However, there was sadness for

1962
01:50:11,320 --> 01:50:15,120
the loss of life.
OK, they were sad to see life

1963
01:50:15,120 --> 01:50:19,320
being extinguished, but they
were they were happy and and

1964
01:50:19,320 --> 01:50:21,240
satisfied that justice had been
done.

1965
01:50:21,400 --> 01:50:25,520
Why?
Because all the the wrongs had

1966
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:28,320
been righted.
And the other thing is it showed

1967
01:50:28,320 --> 01:50:30,680
that.
The law would apply to everybody

1968
01:50:30,680 --> 01:50:32,600
equally.
It didn't matter who you were.

1969
01:50:32,920 --> 01:50:36,760
There were a couple that
Bradford mentions that were kind

1970
01:50:36,760 --> 01:50:40,360
of upset that an Englishman
would be put to death because of

1971
01:50:40,360 --> 01:50:45,360
what he did to an American.
But the Pilgrims understood that

1972
01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:47,560
justice can only work when.
Justice is.

1973
01:50:47,560 --> 01:50:53,960
Equal OK Quoting now from Alma
chapter. 42 verse 25.

1974
01:50:54,520 --> 01:50:57,160
What do you suppose that mercy
can rob justice?

1975
01:50:57,160 --> 01:50:59,480
I say unto you, Nay, not one
whit.

1976
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:02,080
If so, God would cease to be
God.

1977
01:51:02,640 --> 01:51:06,400
So even God through Alma is
telling you, I would cease to be

1978
01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:11,000
God if I did not allow justice
to prevail.

1979
01:51:11,720 --> 01:51:15,760
Justice is an eternal principle.
All the scales must be balanced

1980
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:18,960
in the end, or he ceases to be
God.

1981
01:51:19,560 --> 01:51:22,680
Now this next scripture is
really going to apply to us

1982
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:26,080
today.
This is Leviticus chapter 19

1983
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:30,520
verses 15 says ye shall do no
unrighteousness in judgment.

1984
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:34,200
Thou shalt not respect the
person of the poor, nor the

1985
01:51:34,200 --> 01:51:38,440
honor of the nor honor the
person of the mighty, but in

1986
01:51:38,440 --> 01:51:41,160
righteousness thou shalt judge
thy neighbor.

1987
01:51:43,440 --> 01:51:45,920
If we go back to what some of
those other men wanted.

1988
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:48,000
Right, they were mad that an
Englishman was.

1989
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:50,400
Going to be put to death for
murdering an Indian.

1990
01:51:51,480 --> 01:51:55,000
What he's advocating for is a
tiered to justice system.

1991
01:51:56,120 --> 01:51:59,960
Now when we see this today, it
just it, it sticks in our craw

1992
01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:04,760
right when we see politicians
blatantly breaking the law and

1993
01:52:04,760 --> 01:52:07,320
do things that quite frankly,
you and I would be put in jail

1994
01:52:07,320 --> 01:52:10,400
for.
And there's no justice that

1995
01:52:10,600 --> 01:52:15,000
causes a society to decay
within, because you can no

1996
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:17,080
longer have trust in your
institutions.

1997
01:52:17,360 --> 01:52:20,280
And when there's no trust in
institutions, you're left to

1998
01:52:20,280 --> 01:52:24,480
your own devices.
And so having a tear to justice

1999
01:52:24,480 --> 01:52:28,880
system does not work.
Justice must be equal across the

2000
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:32,000
board, and that's what the Lord
is telling us in Leviticus.

2001
01:52:34,200 --> 01:52:38,400
Now this brings us to mercy.
The pilgrims endeavor to.

2002
01:52:38,440 --> 01:52:40,680
Live every principle of
righteousness.

2003
01:52:40,680 --> 01:52:41,720
Including.
Mercy.

2004
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:46,000
They understood that mercy was
just as important as justice.

2005
01:52:46,680 --> 01:52:50,360
Sometimes mercy, given the
circumstances you're.

2006
01:52:50,360 --> 01:52:55,880
Going to need.
To have justice there, so that I

2007
01:52:55,880 --> 01:52:57,680
mean mercy there to temper
justice.

2008
01:52:57,680 --> 01:53:00,360
Sometimes there are extenuating
circumstances.

2009
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:04,320
I, I think of what happened with
Joseph Smith with his horse,

2010
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:06,520
right?
His horse was stole.

2011
01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:10,600
They catch the guy who stole it
and they put him on trial.

2012
01:53:10,640 --> 01:53:17,440
He's fined and then he pays for
the horse that he stole.

2013
01:53:17,440 --> 01:53:21,360
He pays the fine.
Upon walking out, Joseph hands

2014
01:53:21,360 --> 01:53:25,120
the man his horse and says, now
you can go get your family.

2015
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:29,840
Joseph instituted both justice
and mercy there and.

2016
01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:31,560
That's what we're called to do
in this world.

2017
01:53:32,200 --> 01:53:35,320
Another great example of this is
the Mayflower.

2018
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:40,040
So when the Mayflower gets to
Plymouth, it's.

2019
01:53:40,040 --> 01:53:45,000
December, right?
And a lot of the pilgrims were

2020
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:48,160
sick, I mean, bad sick, probably
had a little bit scurvy,

2021
01:53:48,760 --> 01:53:49,960
dysentery.
We know.

2022
01:53:49,960 --> 01:53:52,960
Look, I, I kind of painted the
picture for you, right?

2023
01:53:53,120 --> 01:53:55,880
When, when you're on this boat,
you use the restroom in a

2024
01:53:55,880 --> 01:53:58,320
bucket, right?
Well, think about what's going

2025
01:53:58,320 --> 01:54:01,960
to happen to that bucket as the
ship rocks back and forth and

2026
01:54:01,960 --> 01:54:05,040
some of those winter storms,
It's going to get everywhere,

2027
01:54:05,160 --> 01:54:06,960
right?
The water is tainted.

2028
01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:09,920
The food isn't great.
They're in a world of hurt.

2029
01:54:11,560 --> 01:54:14,680
They get to the new world, and
immediately.

2030
01:54:14,840 --> 01:54:18,760
The Captain's.
Like, get off the boat, right?

2031
01:54:18,760 --> 01:54:22,680
I mean, these guys are super
sick and they got sick before

2032
01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:25,600
they got there.
And the captain is like, put him

2033
01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:27,400
in quarantine.
Don't let him anywhere near

2034
01:54:27,400 --> 01:54:29,280
anyone else.
That kind of makes sense, right?

2035
01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:33,880
I get that.
But at some .1 call in A1,

2036
01:54:33,880 --> 01:54:37,240
Pilgrim makes his way up onto
the deck and he's begging for

2037
01:54:37,240 --> 01:54:40,880
just a small drink of beer.
And beer was really a staple

2038
01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:44,720
back then because unlike water,
it wouldn't contaminate as

2039
01:54:44,720 --> 01:54:48,080
quickly.
But the guy that's laying on the

2040
01:54:48,080 --> 01:54:51,000
deck, he reaches up begging for
for some beer.

2041
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:55,160
And one of the the ship hands
just looks at him and says, I'm

2042
01:54:55,160 --> 01:54:58,120
not wasting good beer on you.
You can die like a dog.

2043
01:54:58,160 --> 01:55:02,840
His exact words.
So eventually the ship's captain

2044
01:55:02,840 --> 01:55:04,040
just says, you know what?
Get.

2045
01:55:04,040 --> 01:55:05,720
The pilgrims off the boat, we
don't.

2046
01:55:05,720 --> 01:55:07,440
Want them here?
They're sick.

2047
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:10,600
Get them off the boat.
So they, they're forced to leave

2048
01:55:10,600 --> 01:55:13,200
the boat, right?
They, they take, take the

2049
01:55:13,200 --> 01:55:15,800
smaller boat, they row to the,
to the mainland.

2050
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:19,600
There's no shelter there, right?
So the health, the guys who are

2051
01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:22,440
healthy, they have to start
going to work making shelters

2052
01:55:22,440 --> 01:55:25,000
and they do.
And then they end up, you know,

2053
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:29,280
shooting some game, finding some
corn, and people start getting

2054
01:55:29,280 --> 01:55:33,200
nursed back to help.
Meanwhile, on the Mayflower, the

2055
01:55:33,200 --> 01:55:36,280
rest of the deckhands, like, get
sick almost immediately.

2056
01:55:36,600 --> 01:55:39,040
And all of them start succumbing
to this.

2057
01:55:39,280 --> 01:55:42,600
At this point, the ship's
captain says, you know what, go

2058
01:55:42,600 --> 01:55:45,280
ahead and let the let the
pilgrims back on the boat.

2059
01:55:45,600 --> 01:55:48,640
They can sleep here at night.
Everyone's sick anyway.

2060
01:55:49,080 --> 01:55:56,040
So the pilgrims get back on the
boat and they don't just go down

2061
01:55:56,040 --> 01:55:58,560
there to sleep.
What do they do?

2062
01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:03,480
They immediately start tending
to the sick crew members on the

2063
01:56:03,480 --> 01:56:06,000
boat.
And in fact, the man who said

2064
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:11,000
you could die like a dog for all
I care, he's sick and he ends up

2065
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:14,000
dying.
But before he dies, there's an

2066
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:16,480
interesting exchange that
happens between him and one of

2067
01:56:16,480 --> 01:56:21,720
the pilgrims as they're nursing
him back, trying to nurse him.

2068
01:56:21,720 --> 01:56:24,080
To health, he basically says I
am.

2069
01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:28,680
Ashamed right now in taking
charity from you because I

2070
01:56:28,680 --> 01:56:32,920
showed you none.
Look for me.

2071
01:56:33,040 --> 01:56:35,000
I I hope I would be.
That guy.

2072
01:56:35,560 --> 01:56:37,680
But I also know I.
Have the inclination to be like,

2073
01:56:37,680 --> 01:56:39,920
look dude, you showed me no
love, right?

2074
01:56:41,360 --> 01:56:43,800
Wallowing your own in your own
pity.

2075
01:56:44,200 --> 01:56:48,200
I, I want no part of it.
I hope I would be more like like

2076
01:56:48,200 --> 01:56:52,160
the pilgrims because they showed
him mercy even when they showed

2077
01:56:52,160 --> 01:56:55,920
them none.
Third Nephi chapter 12, verse 7.

2078
01:56:56,360 --> 01:56:59,480
And blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.

2079
01:57:01,120 --> 01:57:03,200
I think one of the reasons the
pilgrims were able to be

2080
01:57:03,200 --> 01:57:07,800
merciful is that they understood
that they too were beggars at

2081
01:57:07,800 --> 01:57:10,600
the bar of God.
They understood that they fell

2082
01:57:10,600 --> 01:57:12,440
short.
And if they wanted mercy, the

2083
01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:16,880
Lord told them that if you're
going to get mercy, you need to

2084
01:57:16,880 --> 01:57:19,720
extend mercy.
And we need to put that in our

2085
01:57:19,720 --> 01:57:25,120
own quiver, so to speak.
Look, it's real easy for us to

2086
01:57:25,320 --> 01:57:29,000
tell people I told you so, and I
think there's going to be a lot

2087
01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:31,240
of reason to tell people I told
you so later.

2088
01:57:32,640 --> 01:57:36,640
But we can't do it as people
realize they've made mistakes.

2089
01:57:36,880 --> 01:57:39,640
Maybe it's a wayward child that
comes back to the church or

2090
01:57:39,640 --> 01:57:43,200
comes back to the gospel.
Maybe it's someone that you've

2091
01:57:43,200 --> 01:57:46,560
warned about doing, you know,
warn someone, hey, you're doing

2092
01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:48,760
something that's going to hurt
you and they did it, and you're

2093
01:57:48,760 --> 01:57:50,440
going to want to tell them I
told you so.

2094
01:57:51,480 --> 01:57:54,840
Don't do it.
Just show mercy, because as you

2095
01:57:54,840 --> 01:57:59,280
show mercy, you then now have
the opportunity to have a

2096
01:57:59,280 --> 01:58:04,320
relationship with that person
and exercise a righteous example

2097
01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:09,240
to them.
OK, that brings us to the.

2098
01:58:09,560 --> 01:58:14,440
Pedestal of education.
For the pilgrims, education

2099
01:58:14,440 --> 01:58:17,320
wasn't.
It was a family.

2100
01:58:17,320 --> 01:58:20,680
Affair, right?
Despite what the experts say,

2101
01:58:20,680 --> 01:58:24,600
the Pilgrims are our example
that not only are you able, but

2102
01:58:24,600 --> 01:58:27,600
you're uniquely, uniquely
qualified to teach your own

2103
01:58:27,600 --> 01:58:30,680
children.
They had the model of

2104
01:58:30,680 --> 01:58:33,800
homeschooling, or they would
send their kids to different

2105
01:58:33,800 --> 01:58:37,040
homes where somebody else was
better suited to teach on a

2106
01:58:37,040 --> 01:58:39,960
specific subject.
Nonetheless, there wasn't public

2107
01:58:39,960 --> 01:58:44,840
school like we have it now, A
guy named Lawrence Crimmin who

2108
01:58:44,840 --> 01:58:46,960
wrote a book called American.
Education.

2109
01:58:46,960 --> 01:58:49,000
Talked about the colonial
experience here.

2110
01:58:49,560 --> 01:58:52,040
Concerning education, he said
they instructed their children

2111
01:58:52,320 --> 01:58:55,400
in the principles of religion,
good manners and civil behavior

2112
01:58:56,080 --> 01:58:59,600
to instill in them reverence for
their lead, for their elders and

2113
01:58:59,600 --> 01:59:04,120
superiors, to bring them up in
some lawful and gainful calling,

2114
01:59:04,520 --> 01:59:08,480
to teach them to read and write,
both for worldly and spiritual

2115
01:59:08,480 --> 01:59:11,840
ends.
OK, again, the Pilgrims knew how

2116
01:59:11,840 --> 01:59:14,640
to do it.
Now we've, we've read several

2117
01:59:14,640 --> 01:59:18,560
script scriptures before about
educating children, right?

2118
01:59:18,560 --> 01:59:20,960
There's the one in Proverbs 22,
verse 6.

2119
01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:24,600
Train up a child in the way he
should go and when he is old, he

2120
01:59:24,600 --> 01:59:27,880
will not depart from it.
That one's huge.

2121
01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:32,520
I, I knew a lot of guys who
thought their children would

2122
01:59:32,520 --> 01:59:34,680
learn the gospel by osmosis,
right?

2123
01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:38,000
That they would just stick them
in church or they would stick

2124
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:40,400
them around other religious kids
and they'd pick it up.

2125
01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:42,440
Well, you know what that doesn't
work?

2126
01:59:43,000 --> 01:59:46,360
It can it can definitely help to
strengthen, but they need to

2127
01:59:46,360 --> 01:59:50,240
hear it from the parents about
about training them up in the

2128
01:59:50,240 --> 01:59:53,640
ways of God.
It's going to be your example as

2129
01:59:53,640 --> 01:59:55,360
parents.
It's going to be your words as

2130
01:59:55,360 --> 02:00:00,040
parents that will instill in
them their testimonies and then

2131
02:00:00,040 --> 02:00:03,600
Doctrine and Covenant section
118, verse 88 and as.

2132
02:00:04,080 --> 02:00:07,280
All have not faith.
Seek ye diligently and teach one

2133
02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:09,240
another.
Words of wisdom.

2134
02:00:09,240 --> 02:00:11,960
Yay.
Seek ye out of the best books.

2135
02:00:11,960 --> 02:00:16,480
Words of wisdom.
Seek learning, even by study and

2136
02:00:16,480 --> 02:00:20,520
also by faith.
OK, this, I think speaks to

2137
02:00:20,520 --> 02:00:22,800
something important when we talk
about education.

2138
02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:27,520
The world would have you believe
that there's no way to become

2139
02:00:27,520 --> 02:00:29,520
educated.
Other than by playing their game

2140
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:31,800
of.
Going to college and getting the

2141
02:00:31,800 --> 02:00:36,200
degree, that is not education.
You can get educated along the

2142
02:00:36,200 --> 02:00:39,560
way, but that's not true.
Education so often.

2143
02:00:39,560 --> 02:00:44,320
It's about memorization of
facts, OK, You can educate

2144
02:00:44,320 --> 02:00:48,480
yourself outside of college, and
you can do that by reading the

2145
02:00:48,480 --> 02:00:51,840
best books you can get your
hands on as you get interested

2146
02:00:51,840 --> 02:00:55,240
in a subject.
You don't have to play the game

2147
02:00:55,240 --> 02:00:59,280
that academia want you to play.
You can become educated on your

2148
02:00:59,280 --> 02:01:02,560
own.
Our founders, many of the

2149
02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:05,480
world's best and brightest
today, are self-taught.

2150
02:01:05,480 --> 02:01:08,760
Men and that's.
Because when you read primary

2151
02:01:08,760 --> 02:01:12,400
sources rather than somebody's
interpretation of it, you can

2152
02:01:12,400 --> 02:01:16,000
pick up a lot different things.
More correct things, I should

2153
02:01:16,000 --> 02:01:21,400
add.
So on one side of the education

2154
02:01:22,320 --> 02:01:26,960
pedestal, there's wisdom.
Now, wisdom is different from

2155
02:01:26,960 --> 02:01:29,680
education.
I think one of the ways

2156
02:01:29,680 --> 02:01:32,720
education could be described as
the collecting of knowledge.

2157
02:01:33,440 --> 02:01:36,640
If that's true, then wisdom is
the correct and practical

2158
02:01:36,640 --> 02:01:39,840
application of that knowledge.
OK.

2159
02:01:40,680 --> 02:01:43,080
Never before have we had the
opportunity to have.

2160
02:01:43,080 --> 02:01:45,960
So much knowledge.
At our fingertips, the phone

2161
02:01:45,960 --> 02:01:49,800
that's in your pocket has more
computing power than the first

2162
02:01:49,800 --> 02:01:51,560
computer that landed the man on
a moon.

2163
02:01:51,960 --> 02:01:58,280
OK, you can find anything you
want with a few few minutes of

2164
02:01:58,280 --> 02:02:00,520
typing.
You can find anything to become

2165
02:02:00,520 --> 02:02:03,160
educated on things, you can go
to YouTube.

2166
02:02:03,160 --> 02:02:06,920
There's a lot of great things on
YouTube on how to do stuff You

2167
02:02:06,920 --> 02:02:10,480
can you can collect information
all day long.

2168
02:02:11,680 --> 02:02:15,200
OK, but wisdom is the correct
and.

2169
02:02:15,200 --> 02:02:17,880
Practical application.
Of that knowledge, there are

2170
02:02:17,880 --> 02:02:22,200
primarily two ways that you can
you can gain wisdom.

2171
02:02:24,200 --> 02:02:26,920
The way that it's most usually
done is at the.

2172
02:02:26,920 --> 02:02:31,320
Hands of a mentor.
William Bradford definitely

2173
02:02:31,640 --> 02:02:33,760
learned his knowledge.
From this way Bradford.

2174
02:02:33,760 --> 02:02:38,080
Was probably the most successful
and longest acting governor

2175
02:02:38,400 --> 02:02:41,920
there in Plymouth, but he
learned things.

2176
02:02:42,200 --> 02:02:44,880
He was quite a bit younger than
some of the other leaders there.

2177
02:02:45,200 --> 02:02:49,720
He learned at Pastor John
Robinson's feet, Brewster's

2178
02:02:49,720 --> 02:02:54,080
feet, Carver's feet, because he
learned by their example and

2179
02:02:54,080 --> 02:02:57,480
that they were good men.
His time in governor as governor

2180
02:02:57,480 --> 02:03:01,800
was just, it was not only was it
long, it was probably perhaps

2181
02:03:01,800 --> 02:03:05,240
the most productive
administration of any governor

2182
02:03:05,680 --> 02:03:07,920
ever.
I mean, it was it was amazing.

2183
02:03:08,280 --> 02:03:11,480
And he did it because he was
able to learn wisdom from those

2184
02:03:11,480 --> 02:03:15,880
other men.
There's a scripture here that I

2185
02:03:15,880 --> 02:03:20,120
love and it's from Proverbs
chapter 23, verses 3 through 4.

2186
02:03:20,120 --> 02:03:25,760
And it says through wisdom is a
house built, and by

2187
02:03:25,760 --> 02:03:29,360
understanding it is established,
and by knowledge shall the

2188
02:03:29,360 --> 02:03:33,920
chambers be filled with all
precious and pleasant riches.

2189
02:03:34,160 --> 02:03:39,720
OK, so knowledge only becomes
precious and.

2190
02:03:39,840 --> 02:03:42,920
Pleasant riches.
When they're housed in wisdom,

2191
02:03:43,680 --> 02:03:46,720
that's the only way knowledge
and education become riches.

2192
02:03:47,480 --> 02:03:50,920
Why is that?
Well, I think we can look at it

2193
02:03:51,520 --> 02:03:56,800
a couple different ways.
First, let's look at the

2194
02:03:56,800 --> 02:03:58,800
negative ways education could be
used.

2195
02:03:59,920 --> 02:04:05,080
If we look at World War 2
Germany, Nazi Germany, there was

2196
02:04:05,080 --> 02:04:08,080
no doubt that the the the
Germans have always been known.

2197
02:04:08,080 --> 02:04:10,160
For their.
Engineering prowess.

2198
02:04:10,480 --> 02:04:12,880
But what they use it for?
They used it for killing.

2199
02:04:13,080 --> 02:04:17,360
They created probably the most
prolific and well oiled killing

2200
02:04:17,360 --> 02:04:21,120
machine the world has ever seen.
Not exactly wisdom.

2201
02:04:21,360 --> 02:04:24,360
Now let's.
Look at something that.

2202
02:04:24,360 --> 02:04:27,600
Happened during COVID.
If you remember correctly.

2203
02:04:27,600 --> 02:04:29,560
Early on and it ended up being a
mistake.

2204
02:04:29,560 --> 02:04:33,800
I want to say that the the call
went out that they needed

2205
02:04:34,280 --> 02:04:38,240
ventilators.
All of the sudden private

2206
02:04:38,240 --> 02:04:42,680
business dropped what they were
doing and started making, making

2207
02:04:42,680 --> 02:04:45,080
ventilators.
They stopped, they stopped

2208
02:04:45,080 --> 02:04:47,600
making vacuums, all that other
thing and started making

2209
02:04:47,600 --> 02:04:53,320
ventilators.
OK, that is knowledge housed in

2210
02:04:53,320 --> 02:04:55,760
wisdom, and it became a
treasure.

2211
02:04:57,840 --> 02:05:04,080
And then the second way is as
Joseph Smith did, he asked God.

2212
02:05:04,360 --> 02:05:06,280
James 1/5.
Fan of you lack wisdom?

2213
02:05:06,480 --> 02:05:08,000
Let.
Me ask of God that giveth to all

2214
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:10,960
men liberally and abrade it's
not, and it shall be given him.

2215
02:05:12,280 --> 02:05:15,480
God is the ultimate giver of
wisdom.

2216
02:05:15,960 --> 02:05:18,800
And the more godly.
We can become the more wise we

2217
02:05:18,800 --> 02:05:24,440
can become, and that that means
that we have to do a better job

2218
02:05:24,440 --> 02:05:27,280
in our discipleship, learning
more about Him and getting

2219
02:05:27,280 --> 02:05:29,960
closer to Him.
On the other side of the

2220
02:05:29,960 --> 02:05:33,360
education pedestal is youth.
The Pilgrims understood the

2221
02:05:33,360 --> 02:05:36,560
importance of God's design for
the family unit to forge and

2222
02:05:36,560 --> 02:05:41,040
preserve future generations.
I alluded that Holland didn't

2223
02:05:41,200 --> 02:05:42,920
didn't work out quite right for
the.

2224
02:05:42,920 --> 02:05:44,000
Pilgrims, and I'm going to tell
you.

2225
02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:49,000
Why the Pilgrims came in there
and Holland even though it's.

2226
02:05:49,000 --> 02:05:52,600
Not exactly what it is.
Today it was still kind of

2227
02:05:52,600 --> 02:05:59,520
cosmopolitan and a little more
morally liberal than what the

2228
02:05:59,520 --> 02:06:03,360
what the pilgrims worth.
And what started to happen is,

2229
02:06:03,720 --> 02:06:06,960
is that their kids started to
see that and they started to

2230
02:06:06,960 --> 02:06:09,760
leave the faith.
And that was one of the big

2231
02:06:09,760 --> 02:06:13,480
driving reasons why they felt
like it was important to leave

2232
02:06:13,480 --> 02:06:17,960
Holland so that they wouldn't be
losing their kids spiritually to

2233
02:06:17,960 --> 02:06:20,480
the world.
Today, we're kind of in a

2234
02:06:20,480 --> 02:06:23,040
similar boat.
We must protect and guard our

2235
02:06:23,040 --> 02:06:26,560
children.
In today's climate, we don't

2236
02:06:26,560 --> 02:06:30,160
normally have to worry about
hostile Indians, bears, or dying

2237
02:06:30,160 --> 02:06:32,440
of some weird disease like the
Pilgrims did.

2238
02:06:32,920 --> 02:06:37,560
We do, however, have to worry
about insidious people trying to

2239
02:06:37,560 --> 02:06:41,360
instill in our children ideas
that lead to death and despair,

2240
02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:43,600
right?
I'm thinking of all the trans

2241
02:06:43,600 --> 02:06:47,680
stuff in, in, in schools now
and, and the LGBTQ stuff, right?

2242
02:06:47,920 --> 02:06:50,720
That's not something your kids
should be learning about from

2243
02:06:50,720 --> 02:06:54,840
anyone other than you.
And so we have people who are

2244
02:06:54,840 --> 02:06:57,760
trying to set the agenda to.
Take our kids out of.

2245
02:06:57,760 --> 02:07:02,240
Faith and we have to be on guard
for that and and we have to look

2246
02:07:02,240 --> 02:07:06,000
back towards the pilgrims
example if we want to be able to

2247
02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:12,920
raise up the future generation
in a moral and godly way. 3rd

2248
02:07:12,920 --> 02:07:17,000
Nephi, chapter 17, verse 20.
One, and when he had said these

2249
02:07:17,000 --> 02:07:19,200
words.
He wept, and the multitude bear

2250
02:07:19,200 --> 02:07:23,560
record of it, and he took their
children, or took their little

2251
02:07:23,560 --> 02:07:27,200
children 1 by 1, and blessed
them, and prayed unto the Father

2252
02:07:27,200 --> 02:07:30,600
for them.
If the Savior of all mankind can

2253
02:07:30,600 --> 02:07:35,440
take time to bless children, are
we blessing our own children in

2254
02:07:35,440 --> 02:07:38,240
our homes?
Are we praying over them?

2255
02:07:38,600 --> 02:07:42,160
Are we doing the things
necessary to protect them as we

2256
02:07:42,160 --> 02:07:46,600
send them out into the world?
Another scripture here is the

2257
02:07:46,600 --> 02:07:50,320
one where the Lord says, says
this.

2258
02:07:50,840 --> 02:07:54,360
And whoso shall offend one of
these little ones that believe

2259
02:07:54,360 --> 02:07:58,320
in me, it is better for him that
a millstone were hanged about

2260
02:07:58,320 --> 02:08:00,800
his neck, and he were cast into
the sea.

2261
02:08:01,920 --> 02:08:05,160
OK, that takes us to the to the
pedestal of liberty.

2262
02:08:06,840 --> 02:08:09,000
When the pilgrims were getting
ready to leave for the new

2263
02:08:09,000 --> 02:08:11,280
World, they secured.
Financing through investors.

2264
02:08:11,280 --> 02:08:15,440
In London, the Pilgrims agreed
to share the colony's profits

2265
02:08:15,440 --> 02:08:18,840
until the debt was paid.
For three years, the Pilgrims

2266
02:08:18,840 --> 02:08:23,400
operated A communal economy.
However, in every one of the

2267
02:08:23,400 --> 02:08:30,480
years after the first production
went down year after year as

2268
02:08:30,480 --> 02:08:32,400
Bradford and and other leaders
in the.

2269
02:08:32,400 --> 02:08:34,800
Colony tried to figure out what
was going on, what they.

2270
02:08:34,800 --> 02:08:38,320
Were seeing was is that they
were were running a communal

2271
02:08:38,320 --> 02:08:42,080
system and because of that
communal system someone worked

2272
02:08:42,080 --> 02:08:46,760
really hard and some not so much
just the bare minimum but it

2273
02:08:46,760 --> 02:08:49,480
didn't matter because you all
got the same amount right.

2274
02:08:51,040 --> 02:08:55,440
Well, that was a problem and so.
What the leadership does.

2275
02:08:55,440 --> 02:08:58,160
There in Plymouth is they
decide, OK, we're going to go to

2276
02:08:58,160 --> 02:09:00,960
a more private kind of system,
right?

2277
02:09:00,960 --> 02:09:03,960
More of a free market system.
So if somebody produces more,

2278
02:09:03,960 --> 02:09:08,640
they get to keep more, right?
And after that, the colony

2279
02:09:08,640 --> 02:09:12,280
really begins to thrive.
And I, I could have swore I read

2280
02:09:12,280 --> 02:09:13,560
this.
I can't find it again.

2281
02:09:13,840 --> 02:09:16,440
But if I'm not mistaken, they
ended up paying off their debts

2282
02:09:16,440 --> 02:09:20,000
back to the investors in London
early once they established that

2283
02:09:20,000 --> 02:09:23,840
new system.
OK, the Pilgrims would also

2284
02:09:23,840 --> 02:09:26,400
establish other liberties,
perhaps the most important of

2285
02:09:26,400 --> 02:09:29,680
which was religious liberty.
Given what the Pilgrims had to

2286
02:09:29,680 --> 02:09:32,800
endure to practice their faith
in the Old World, it's little

2287
02:09:32,800 --> 02:09:36,640
wonder why the Lord would wait
to start the Restoration until

2288
02:09:36,640 --> 02:09:43,840
America had her religious
liberties in place. 2nd.

2289
02:09:43,840 --> 02:09:47,680
Corinthians chapter 3, verse 17
And where the spirit of the Lord

2290
02:09:47,680 --> 02:09:51,680
is, there is.
Liberty Gandhi had something

2291
02:09:51,680 --> 02:09:53,480
really interesting to say about
the new.

2292
02:09:53,480 --> 02:09:55,080
Testament, he said.
That book is a.

2293
02:09:55,080 --> 02:09:59,000
Book of revolution through
peaceful nonviolent resistance.

2294
02:09:59,520 --> 02:10:04,880
OK anytime a society espouses
the principles laid out by the

2295
02:10:04,880 --> 02:10:08,920
God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,
you can bet that the next thing

2296
02:10:08,920 --> 02:10:14,480
to fall will be a a thirst for
freedom, and we see that here.

2297
02:10:15,120 --> 02:10:19,240
Moving on to Leviticus chapter
25, verse 10 and for clean

2298
02:10:19,240 --> 02:10:22,480
liberty throughout all the land
unto the inhabitants thereof.

2299
02:10:23,120 --> 02:10:26,440
Interestingly enough that that
Scripture is on the front of the

2300
02:10:26,440 --> 02:10:30,360
liberty bell.
You cannot worship the God of

2301
02:10:30,360 --> 02:10:31,960
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and
then.

2302
02:10:31,960 --> 02:10:33,840
Not seek.
Liberty.

2303
02:10:33,880 --> 02:10:37,920
There's something there that is
intrinsically connected that

2304
02:10:37,920 --> 02:10:42,400
requires each to be to come to
full fruition.

2305
02:10:43,640 --> 02:10:45,760
DNC 134.
Verse 2 We.

2306
02:10:45,760 --> 02:10:48,720
Believe that no government can
exist in place except such laws

2307
02:10:48,720 --> 02:10:52,760
are framed and held and Violet
as will secure each individual

2308
02:10:52,760 --> 02:10:56,160
the free exercise of conscience,
the right and control of

2309
02:10:56,160 --> 02:10:57,960
property, and the protection of
life.

2310
02:10:58,520 --> 02:11:04,840
Again, spelling out those two
liberties that men want.

2311
02:11:05,320 --> 02:11:08,880
Freedom of conscience to be able
to worship God as you see fit,

2312
02:11:09,880 --> 02:11:15,680
and the freedom to hold land to
be able to have it under your.

2313
02:11:15,680 --> 02:11:19,000
Control and to.
Prosper yourself, not have your

2314
02:11:19,000 --> 02:11:21,720
stuff stolen.
That's what government is there

2315
02:11:21,720 --> 02:11:24,080
for.
That is where liberty resides.

2316
02:11:24,480 --> 02:11:27,720
Moving on to DNC 134, verse
four, we believe that religion

2317
02:11:27,720 --> 02:11:32,640
is instituted of God and that
men are amenable to Him and to

2318
02:11:32,640 --> 02:11:36,440
Him only for their exercise of
it, unless their religious

2319
02:11:36,440 --> 02:11:39,760
opinions prompt them to infringe
upon the rights and liberties of

2320
02:11:39,760 --> 02:11:42,560
others.
But we do not believe that human

2321
02:11:42,560 --> 02:11:46,240
law has a right to interfere in
prescribing rules of worship to

2322
02:11:46,240 --> 02:11:50,160
bind the consciousness of men.
Excuse me, Consciousness of men.

2323
02:11:50,520 --> 02:11:54,640
Nor dictate forms for public or
private devotion.

2324
02:11:55,000 --> 02:11:59,160
That the civil magistrate should
restrain crime but never control

2325
02:11:59,160 --> 02:12:03,320
conscience, should punish guilt
but never suppress freedom of

2326
02:12:03,320 --> 02:12:06,520
the soul.
On one side of the panel is the

2327
02:12:06,520 --> 02:12:10,240
defeat of tyranny.
The Pilgrims were well

2328
02:12:10,240 --> 02:12:12,600
acquainted with tyranny.
William Bradford.

2329
02:12:12,600 --> 02:12:15,840
Described it this way.
They were haunted and persecuted

2330
02:12:15,840 --> 02:12:18,880
on every side until their formal
afflictions were but as flea

2331
02:12:18,880 --> 02:12:22,000
bitings in comparison.
Some were clapped in prison,

2332
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:25,800
others had their houses watched
day and night and escaped with

2333
02:12:25,800 --> 02:12:29,080
difficulty, and most were
obliged to fly and leave their

2334
02:12:29,080 --> 02:12:31,880
homes in livelihood.
That's horrible conditions,

2335
02:12:31,880 --> 02:12:34,000
right?
Having your house watch day and

2336
02:12:34,000 --> 02:12:39,920
night.
They knew what tyranny was to

2337
02:12:39,920 --> 02:12:42,640
assure a different outcome in
Plymouth, the Pilgrims were

2338
02:12:42,640 --> 02:12:44,080
admonished by.
Pastor John.

2339
02:12:44,080 --> 02:12:46,400
Robinson, and he's a fascinating
guy, too.

2340
02:12:46,400 --> 02:12:49,360
You should study up on him.
He's a guy who never makes the

2341
02:12:49,360 --> 02:12:53,640
boat right over dies in the old
world, but nonetheless continues

2342
02:12:53,640 --> 02:12:57,400
to counsel with these folks as
they come across anyway.

2343
02:12:58,440 --> 02:13:01,560
Pastor John Robinson.
Admonished them to.

2344
02:13:01,560 --> 02:13:05,800
Create a new ruling charter.
Charter can think of it kind of

2345
02:13:05,800 --> 02:13:09,760
like a proto constitution that
would hold the governed and

2346
02:13:09,760 --> 02:13:13,480
those governing to the same
standard and elect wise and

2347
02:13:13,480 --> 02:13:16,120
noble leaders to ultimate
leaders.

2348
02:13:16,120 --> 02:13:19,440
The ultimate realization of
liberty wouldn't be realized

2349
02:13:19,440 --> 02:13:21,680
until after America's
revolutionary period.

2350
02:13:21,920 --> 02:13:27,800
But they gave it a real good
start here in Plymouth and they

2351
02:13:27,800 --> 02:13:31,320
were very cognizant that we had
to elect righteous men to fill

2352
02:13:31,320 --> 02:13:34,280
these positions of power.
They didn't have to agree with

2353
02:13:34,280 --> 02:13:37,760
them religiously, but they did
have to be men of moral

2354
02:13:37,760 --> 02:13:43,520
character if they wanted the
government to to function as it

2355
02:13:43,520 --> 02:13:47,480
should.
So they understood that tyranny

2356
02:13:47,480 --> 02:13:49,880
was a problem and that men are
disposed to it.

2357
02:13:49,880 --> 02:13:53,800
And so it would take good laws
and good men to fill the seats

2358
02:13:53,800 --> 02:13:57,240
of power to make sure that
tyranny wasn't established in

2359
02:13:57,240 --> 02:14:01,240
the new World.
That brings us to the final one,

2360
02:14:01,240 --> 02:14:06,360
which is peace, that we could
certainly see how learning and

2361
02:14:06,360 --> 02:14:08,040
living these principles.
Can establish.

2362
02:14:08,040 --> 02:14:10,240
Peace.
However, I think given what the

2363
02:14:10,240 --> 02:14:14,400
Pilgrims went through, we have
to conclude that even in their

2364
02:14:14,400 --> 02:14:16,680
afflictions they had a sense of
peace.

2365
02:14:17,480 --> 02:14:21,560
Here is an example I talked
about a little bit.

2366
02:14:21,560 --> 02:14:23,760
William.
Brewster, he was an elder in

2367
02:14:23,760 --> 02:14:28,440
that congregation and had a lot
of influence over William

2368
02:14:28,440 --> 02:14:31,760
Bradford.
And when he passes, Bradford has

2369
02:14:31,760 --> 02:14:35,280
something to say at his funeral.
He stands.

2370
02:14:35,280 --> 02:14:40,760
And he said, I was asked, was he
meaning Brewster, worse for any

2371
02:14:40,760 --> 02:14:45,800
of his former sufferings?
I say, nay, he was surely the

2372
02:14:45,800 --> 02:14:48,600
better.
For now they are added to his

2373
02:14:48,600 --> 02:14:53,480
honor.
They were added to his honor.

2374
02:14:55,040 --> 02:14:57,760
I think if we want to hear the.
Words on the other side, well

2375
02:14:57,760 --> 02:14:59,720
done.
Thou good and faithful servant.

2376
02:15:00,160 --> 02:15:03,280
We are going to have to endure
some things, we're going to have

2377
02:15:03,280 --> 02:15:06,800
to go through some trials, but
at the end it'll be counted for

2378
02:15:06,800 --> 02:15:09,440
our good and it will help to
mature us spiritually.

2379
02:15:09,880 --> 02:15:13,520
And they understood this about
peace, right?

2380
02:15:14,560 --> 02:15:16,920
True peace isn't the absence of
struggle.

2381
02:15:17,320 --> 02:15:22,120
True peace is found with God
even in the middle of struggle.

2382
02:15:23,240 --> 02:15:25,480
The pilgrims understood this
suffering.

2383
02:15:25,720 --> 02:15:27,360
They understood it was
inevitable.

2384
02:15:27,840 --> 02:15:32,200
It was an inevitable mark of a
well lived life and having peace

2385
02:15:32,400 --> 02:15:36,120
in spite of those struggles
through the gospel of Jesus

2386
02:15:36,120 --> 02:15:38,680
Christ.
That's the kind of peace I

2387
02:15:38,680 --> 02:15:40,520
believe the pilgrims we're
talking about.

2388
02:15:43,280 --> 02:15:49,880
So what now?
Come this Thursday, many, if not

2389
02:15:49,880 --> 02:15:52,080
all of us will have the
opportunity to sit down with

2390
02:15:52,080 --> 02:15:53,320
either friends.
Or family.

2391
02:15:53,320 --> 02:15:57,080
Or both.
And enjoy a great meal together.

2392
02:15:58,360 --> 02:16:03,160
To have our families near us and
to just spend time with them.

2393
02:16:03,160 --> 02:16:06,800
We may even watch a football
game or two, or in my case,

2394
02:16:06,800 --> 02:16:09,560
probably 4.
And that's.

2395
02:16:09,560 --> 02:16:12,240
OK, there's nothing.
Wrong with those things.

2396
02:16:13,120 --> 02:16:15,400
You should enjoy this time with
your families.

2397
02:16:17,360 --> 02:16:20,800
Thanksgiving has been always one
of my favorite holidays because

2398
02:16:20,800 --> 02:16:24,280
there's no frills.
There's no having to rush around

2399
02:16:24,280 --> 02:16:28,600
and buy stuff.
It's just food and family so you

2400
02:16:28,600 --> 02:16:33,400
should enjoy that, but I would
say this.

2401
02:16:34,920 --> 02:16:37,080
Maybe it's time in our.
Own lives privately.

2402
02:16:37,080 --> 02:16:40,719
Or with your family to renew
some of those covenants that the

2403
02:16:40,719 --> 02:16:45,920
pilgrims made.
So I I, I sat and I thought

2404
02:16:45,920 --> 02:16:47,120
about.
Which covenant?

2405
02:16:47,120 --> 02:16:50,080
I thought.
My family, me and my family

2406
02:16:50,080 --> 02:16:51,559
would benefit most from this
year.

2407
02:16:52,639 --> 02:16:54,920
And it's this one by John
Winthrop.

2408
02:16:54,959 --> 02:16:57,959
And I quoted from a little piece
of it earlier, but I'm going to

2409
02:16:57,959 --> 02:17:00,920
give you not quite the full
thing, but the, the the bulk of

2410
02:17:00,920 --> 02:17:04,200
it here.
And this is what he says in the

2411
02:17:04,200 --> 02:17:06,000
City on the Hill speech, he
says.

2412
02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:08,879
Now the only way.
To avoid this shipwreck and to

2413
02:17:08,879 --> 02:17:12,719
provide for our posterity is to
follow the council, Council of

2414
02:17:12,719 --> 02:17:17,559
Micah, to do justly, to love
mercy, to walk humbly with our

2415
02:17:17,559 --> 02:17:20,240
God.
For this end, we must be knit

2416
02:17:20,240 --> 02:17:22,520
together in this work as one
man.

2417
02:17:23,080 --> 02:17:25,959
We must entertain each other and
brotherly affection.

2418
02:17:26,480 --> 02:17:30,160
We must be willing to abridge
ourselves of our superfluities

2419
02:17:30,160 --> 02:17:32,600
for the supply of others
necessities.

2420
02:17:33,040 --> 02:17:36,760
We must uphold the hold a
familiar commerce together, and

2421
02:17:36,760 --> 02:17:39,600
all meekness, gentleness,
patience, and liberality.

2422
02:17:39,959 --> 02:17:44,160
We must delighten each other,
make others conditions our own,

2423
02:17:44,160 --> 02:17:47,120
rejoice together, mourn
together, labor and suffer

2424
02:17:47,120 --> 02:17:51,480
together, always having before
our eyes our Commission and

2425
02:17:51,480 --> 02:17:55,520
community in the work.
As members of the same body, so

2426
02:17:55,520 --> 02:17:59,000
shall we keep the unity of the
Spirit in the bond of peace.

2427
02:17:59,400 --> 02:18:02,760
The Lord will be our God and
delight to dwell amongst us as

2428
02:18:02,760 --> 02:18:06,280
His own people, and He will
command a greater blessing.

2429
02:18:06,680 --> 02:18:10,080
He will command a blessing upon
us in all our ways, so that we

2430
02:18:10,080 --> 02:18:13,280
shall see much more of His
wisdom, power, and goodness and

2431
02:18:13,280 --> 02:18:15,799
truth than formerly we have been
acquainted with.

2432
02:18:16,120 --> 02:18:20,280
We shall find that the God of
Israel is amongst us, when ten

2433
02:18:20,280 --> 02:18:25,040
of us shall be able to resist
1000 of our enemies, when he

2434
02:18:25,040 --> 02:18:28,440
shall make us a praise and a
glory, that men shall say of

2435
02:18:28,440 --> 02:18:31,799
seceding plantations.
May the Lord make it like that

2436
02:18:31,799 --> 02:18:37,360
of New England.
Now here comes the warning, for

2437
02:18:37,360 --> 02:18:42,480
we must consider that we shall
be as a city upon a hill, and

2438
02:18:42,480 --> 02:18:44,879
the eyes of all people are upon
us.

2439
02:18:45,280 --> 02:18:49,760
So that if we shall deal falsely
with our God in this work we

2440
02:18:49,760 --> 02:18:54,200
have undertaken, and so caused
him to withdraw his present help

2441
02:18:54,400 --> 02:18:57,559
from us, we shall be made a
story in a byword.

2442
02:18:57,559 --> 02:19:00,120
Through the world.
We shall open the mouths of

2443
02:19:00,120 --> 02:19:03,959
enemies to speak evil of the
ways of God and all professors

2444
02:19:04,000 --> 02:19:07,920
for God's sake.
We shall shame the faces of many

2445
02:19:07,920 --> 02:19:11,160
of God's worthy servants, and
'cause their prayers to be

2446
02:19:11,160 --> 02:19:14,799
turned into curses upon us, till
we be consumed out of the good

2447
02:19:14,799 --> 02:19:20,600
land whither we are going.
That last part right there, the

2448
02:19:20,600 --> 02:19:22,840
eyes of.
All the world will be upon.

2449
02:19:22,840 --> 02:19:27,280
Us.
And if we fail a story in a

2450
02:19:27,280 --> 02:19:29,520
byword, we will become
throughout the world.

2451
02:19:33,799 --> 02:19:38,200
If we don't walk up to these
covenants, the world will look

2452
02:19:38,200 --> 02:19:42,080
back on America and say it was.
Failed and it.

2453
02:19:42,160 --> 02:19:48,880
Failed because they couldn't
keep the covenant and we will

2454
02:19:48,880 --> 02:19:51,560
give.
Ammunition to the enemies of God

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02:19:51,560 --> 02:19:54,360
and man.
To be able to say, see, man

2456
02:19:54,360 --> 02:19:58,760
can't govern himself, man has to
have a king.

2457
02:20:00,080 --> 02:20:02,760
A worldly king.
To dictate how he should live.

2458
02:20:03,600 --> 02:20:05,840
And that's not a.
Society I feel like I want to

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02:20:05,840 --> 02:20:13,080
join so that's.
It I hope that you and your

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02:20:13,080 --> 02:20:17,200
family have a blessed.
Holiday season here I hope that

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02:20:17,200 --> 02:20:19,960
Thanksgiving is great that you
were able to spend time with

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02:20:19,960 --> 02:20:23,800
your family and enjoy them and
the peace that this time of year

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02:20:23,800 --> 02:20:29,320
has to give.
I am so thankful I.

2464
02:20:29,320 --> 02:20:31,120
Have been blessed beyond
measure.

2465
02:20:31,240 --> 02:20:36,480
More than I deserve.
First, I have access.

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02:20:37,480 --> 02:20:42,640
To the restored gospel.
Of Jesus Christ, I have access

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02:20:42,640 --> 02:20:45,960
to ordinances.
That assure me that my family

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02:20:45,960 --> 02:20:48,760
can.
Continue on forever and that we

2469
02:20:48,760 --> 02:20:52,480
can be together as a unit for
all eternity.

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02:20:54,040 --> 02:20:55,800
That I can strengthen my
resolve.

2471
02:20:55,800 --> 02:20:59,800
To be a better disciple.
And a better servant of him that

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02:20:59,800 --> 02:21:05,920
I can do better at being a
father and a husband and a

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02:21:05,920 --> 02:21:09,200
better priesthood holder.
Those are all promises.

2474
02:21:09,200 --> 02:21:11,680
That that I have in.
Front of me if I choose to take

2475
02:21:11,680 --> 02:21:14,120
hold of them in the restored
gospel of Jesus Christ.

2476
02:21:14,920 --> 02:21:20,280
I am thankful for my family.
I am so thankful for Amber and

2477
02:21:20,280 --> 02:21:26,280
Tanya and for their unending
willingness to watch me come in

2478
02:21:26,280 --> 02:21:29,800
night after night and collapse
on the bed just being exhausted.

2479
02:21:30,200 --> 02:21:33,640
I will never not be thankful for
them, and I hope to be able to

2480
02:21:33,640 --> 02:21:36,960
be a better servant of theirs in
the coming days.

2481
02:21:38,160 --> 02:21:45,040
I'm thankful for my children.
My children are better than me,

2482
02:21:45,200 --> 02:21:48,520
every one of them.
And I am so thankful for that.

2483
02:21:48,520 --> 02:21:51,960
For their mother's example, and
for the times I got things

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02:21:51,960 --> 02:21:56,520
right, though rare they were.
I'm thankful for living in the

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02:21:56,520 --> 02:21:59,800
community that I am.
I have wonderful people around

2486
02:21:59,800 --> 02:22:03,520
me and I love them like families
themselves.

2487
02:22:03,600 --> 02:22:07,200
And I am so grateful for that.
And I'm grateful for you, the

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02:22:07,200 --> 02:22:10,000
listener.
I know your time is valuable,

2489
02:22:10,000 --> 02:22:11,440
and I know your time is
important.

2490
02:22:11,440 --> 02:22:15,600
I try not to waste it and every
episode I do I think and pray

2491
02:22:15,600 --> 02:22:19,360
about hard and so if I fail,
please know it's not out of

2492
02:22:19,600 --> 02:22:23,880
laziness or not caring.
I am so thankful you spend your

2493
02:22:23,880 --> 02:22:26,080
time here with me and I'm
thankful for.

2494
02:22:26,080 --> 02:22:28,400
For the friendship.
That many of you have extended

2495
02:22:28,400 --> 02:22:32,040
to me.
I love you and I look forward to

2496
02:22:32,040 --> 02:22:34,000
serving you more this next
coming year.

2497
02:22:34,560 --> 02:22:39,800
So with that, I hope all of you
have a very blessed Thanksgiving

2498
02:22:40,040 --> 02:22:42,160
and thanks for listening.
I love you.

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02:22:42,600 --> 02:22:44,640
We'll see you next time.
Bye everybody.