Episode #46: End Times Prophecy W/Taylor Smith

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So today on the podcast, I have
something juicy for you that I

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think you're absolutely going to
love on this episode.

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I have on Taylor Smith now.
Taylor's a Mormon fundamentalist

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on, darn good scholar when it
comes to the restored gospel, in

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our conversation, we talked
about end times prophecy and

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more specifically.
We talked about the prophecies

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that have been both fulfilled
and yet to be fulfilled that

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apply uniquely to Mormon.
I have also included on Mormon

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Renegade.com In the episode page
to note the scriptures.

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You may want to have as you
listen.

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So, stick around for a
fascinating conversation on this

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episode of the Mormon Renegade
podcast.

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So, to be the people, we want to
be the type of people that can

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be a light to others.
There are some steps we need to

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take in order to prepare,
certainly we need to prepare

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spiritually, we need to increase
in our knowledge of the fullness

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of the restored gospel.
But we cannot Overlook the

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necessity of being prepared.
Physically.

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Look, I've said on this podcast
a few times and I feel hard

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times are coming our way.
We know from early church

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leaders that being prepared,
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You're listening to the Mormon

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Renegade podcast.
Taylor, how's it going?

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Big guy doing great, dude.
I'm so glad you're here.

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When you when you texted me.
What it is.

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You want to talk about and days
prophecies and those sorts of

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things.
Ooh, I got super excited.

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Here's the here's the thing,
right?

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It's always a fine line when
you're talking about and days

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prophecies, right?
Well, we'll get there in a

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minute, real quick.
How did you get where you?

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Born a fundamentalist.
Oh no, no, I was very Very born

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and raised in the church LDS
church faithful, served a

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mission and Detroit 03 to 0-5.
What was that?

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Like, what was Detroit like, I
loved it.

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Did you really?
Yeah, it was, you know,

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initially I we all have these
fantasies of going overseas or a

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bra, you know, learning a new
language, those types of things.

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And so it was a little bit
disappointing is too strong a

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term but you know, because it
was just so.

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So Stoked to get out and serve
and be a missionary and all

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that.
So the location wasn't as

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important but when I got there,
it just became a beautiful

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experience to connect with
people in the area and to just

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be a representative of the Lord.
You know, during that time when

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you were there was, was Detroit
pretty rough, like, it is now.

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Oh, it was extremely rough.
I spent over a year in the

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downtown inner city areas and
saw a lot of, you know, I never

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witnessed it but was around a
lot of violence and just

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terrible things.
So did you find a lot of folks

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who are receptive down there?
You know, there were some

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beautiful families that I was
blessed, eternally blessed to

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meet and teach and we baptized a
few folks.

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And, you know, sadly just with
that environment.

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It's difficult to hold to the
gospel, but I've kept in touch

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with many of them over even to
this day.

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And, you know, a couple of them
have passed on to the next life

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and in some ways, it's a mercy
because they just had such a

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hard life here in this earth,
and then others.

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Sadly, I've kind of more
recently lost touch with in

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consequence of, well, they were
black and I'm white.

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And so now, black lives matter
more than white lives.

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And so, there were some, I think
hard feelings, and just

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prejudices and I could tell they
were super conflicted because

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they remembered me when they
were little kids.

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I was Elder Smith, right?
Right.

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And I was just this Beacon of
light and hope that the Lord

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brought into their home into
their lives.

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And but, you know, their parents
were divorced and now they're

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teenagers college.
And that kind of getting

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radicalized and activists sure
made activists.

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And, and so ultimately, they
sadly decided that I was not a

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good friend.
You know.

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That's, that's sucks.
It's always sad when, Because we

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don't have the crucial
conversations to pan this out,

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right?
And as a guy, who's extremely

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distrustful of government.
Uh-huh, I tend to look and

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realize and it's taken me a long
time to get to this point.

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That the more separated, we are
the better.

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It is for the powers that be
right?

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And I don't think that that's,
that's by coincidence.

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I think that's by Design we've
heard of the black and red ants

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analogy.
Yeah, exactly.

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Exactly.
I think I've always said one

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weeks when we, as a people,
start asking the right

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questions, you're going to start
seeing a lot of politicians, get

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nervous, right?
And so it's sad, when you see

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those kind of relationships
damaged by by that, especially

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without any real dialogue, right
without sitting down, like,

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let's talk about this.
Let's find out where I'm at.

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Let's find out where you're at,
and then, let's see if we can

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work this out.
Yeah, too often.

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It's just like, no, you got to
be team, whatever, and I'm team,

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this Well, in the thing is, will
have eternal relationships.

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And so, even if we're not able
to kind of be reconciled in this

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life, will work it out.
And I love them to this day,

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like the I pray for him still
and so I just hope that they can

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find their path, and you can't
hold against people.

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If, if they, if you control the
information that they have

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access to and the info that they
receive and input, you really

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can't blame them for having a
certain output.

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Right.
And, you know, it's kind of rare

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for people to be able to filter.
Yeah, and discern.

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So what, what Drew you to
fundamentalism, right?

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Because I always find it
interesting, but harmless by and

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large are either folks who were
born into it or they converted

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from the LDS church very rarely.
Do you find somebody who just

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comes in to Mormonism cold
turkey, right?

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I've said it before sometimes I
think that the gateway drug to

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fundamentalism It's the LDS
church, right?

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Or the gateway to Mormonism is
well and I you know it's

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interesting.
I I definitely use the term

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fundamentalism and and identify
you know openly as a I mean I

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don't publicize I don't
broadcast it but I don't hide

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it.
Either that I do that, I'm a

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fundamentalist but I think that
that term has a little bit of

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baggage.
It has and and so because

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typically people think the term
fundamentalist, they think

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Warren Jeffs and The flds and
those are so you ask me how did

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I get into fundamentalism?
So in college I became a Ron

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Paul Advocate and just I've
always my grandparents my

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parents instilled in me, a great
in a deep and Abiding Love of

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the Constitution and our
founding as an American Nation.

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And, you know, the restoration
really augments that because it

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kind of thus, saith the Lord, I
endorsed it, you know.

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Yeah, and not just that if you
go back like even to the times

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when like President Benson David
McKay well eat farther back than

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a sure, I am blanking on his
name but as they're coming

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across on the Mayflower.
Oh sure.

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You know, they take a covenant
when you read the Covenant, it

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sounds.
Yeah, go ahead with that.

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It sounds like it sounds like
like when when Alma is getting

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ready to be, baptized at the
Waters of Mormon and mosiah

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write a Similar Covenant.
So yeah, I'm with you.

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I've always said my, my
patriotism.

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I say, my patriotism I'm not
talking about government, I'm

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talking about the principles.
Yeah, it walks hand-in-hand

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because you can see the Lord's
hand in the whole thing all the

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way.
Well, if you look at the Nuance,

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the difference between country
and Nation nation was more

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representative of the government
structure, which I love the

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form, the Constitution, there's
a lot of value in truth and

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power there, but It has degraded
over the time and, you know, do

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Vault.
So, but I love my country.

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Can't really say, I love my
nation, just because I have some

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of the atrocities that has
committed.

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But I have great hopes that if
not collectively, some

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individuals can repent and be
reconciled to God.

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Absolutely.
So, but yeah.

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So, I became a student of the
founding of America, the

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principles of Liberty, the
Constitution and that, that

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period of history, and then And
eight happened, and the, the

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flds raids.
And I saw all of my Mormon

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friends, like, cheering on these
thugs, these federal agents who

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were destroying the families,
and this is before we had any

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real information.
So, I was just at face value

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thinking these poor men and
women and children, who sure

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they have a different religious
belief than me.

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But they're they have individual
rights.

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They, you know, if they're going
to prosecute, You them go

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through due process, come on
like let's let's do let's follow

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the Constitution and so they did
a protest like a rally because

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the Utah Jazz were playing the
Houston Rockets in the NBA

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playoffs and so it was Houston
was representing Texas and you

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know, all the stuff there and of
course there's a lot of

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fundamentalists in the community
here in Utah.

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And so my buddy and I Justin,
you know, put on our suits You

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know, because we're RMS and we
go down and we paint these signs

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and one of them's like rule of
law and then X doubt, police

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state, and then another signs
like flds government-sponsored

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kidnapping and we go and we're
not in any way connected with

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fundamentalist like that was not
even on our radar at that point

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we just thought well those are
weird people with weird beliefs

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that you know, and they need to
get with the program because the

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church abandon that a long time
ago, so it's not God's planet.

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This time and so but we were
like, but we dang it.

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We're going to defend their
rights.

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We're going to try to advocate
for these folks who were being

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abused by the government.
And we got dude, like the

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vitriol.
Oh, I bet like people were

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literally spitting at us
threatening us at it because

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they're just walking, we're at a
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right?
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game.
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Mormons that are just dressed up
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out to have a good time and they
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polygamist which we weren't even
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like all these terrible things
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believe in the Constitution,
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And it was Unreal to kind of
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these are my people.
Why am I being spit on like this

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and like, literally picking and
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was directed towards us and that
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shocked that, you know, they
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some of those Traditions.
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people like, right there, just
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that Humanity rather than
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that before.
I kind of became converted to

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the fullness of the Gospel.
I always thought I was converted

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to the fullness of the Gospel.
I just didn't understand what

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that phrase meant and I was
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the deeper doctrines.
I just never would have supposed

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that.
It would lead me to a path

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anywhere besides the church.
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Right.
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what Happened with the flds.
I think because look Warren

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Jeffs is and class a dirtbag,
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Let's get down.
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in the flds church know, right.
He's a dirtbag.

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Having said that he He really
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people.
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You didn't get the flds people I
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They are, uh, yeah, some of the
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we've ever seen, you know.
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research on Warren Jeffs and the
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take long for Go down and start
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heard about in the Third Reich.
I mean, they were like looking

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at creating the perfect human.
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Like how, how fast did that
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people don't like to hear this.
What happened with the flds

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church was an outgrowth of what?
The LDS church and Arizona did

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together?
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Right back in 53.
Back in the short Creek Bridge,

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right?
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in the 40s if I'm not mistaken
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Two.
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And because, you know, the LDS
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It could to get away from
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specifically.
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with, with those early teachings
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aggressive, right?
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And they they definitely had a
hand in those raids and when you

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do that to a people, it just
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right?
Like look told you that the

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world's coming for you.
We've already seen it once you

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better listen to me, I'll keep
you safe and it forces Promises

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of safety and drag the liberty
and yep, forces them into to

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just horrible.
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And so it is.
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uncomfortable and and I'm not,
I'm not taking any

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responsibility away from Warren
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I do believe there's a special
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that's going to be extremely
unpleasant because he took a

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principle of God and twisted it
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We're going to talk about some
end time prophecies later on and

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one of which is that they
Transgress the law change, the

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ordinances broke the Everlasting
covenants, right?

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You know, and I think that all
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responsibility in that but
warrant to get to the next

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level.
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absolutely like I said class a
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Yeah, so so that's you.
Start their razzano, ate this

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before I was married.
And then, you know, I was still

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to my wife in the Salt Lake
Temple in Fine and started

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having babies.
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and I, you know, you as a father
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those pressures were distracting

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from my Pursuit Of The Gospel
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But ultimately just started to
read the discourses of Brigham

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Young out on my lunch, breaks in
2011 of what it would have been

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and I that's when I guess you
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unquote fundamentalist even
though I was still active

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healthiest, I did not identify
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certainly not joining some group
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I was just the spirit bore
witness to me of some of the

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things.
You know, when bringing would

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talk about fleeing Babylon, stop
building up Babylon, build up,

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Zion like these things resonated
with my soul and I felt the

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truth of them.
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thing that that kind of
introduced me to was Adam God

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and and, you know, so that
became a real kind of turning

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point where I became converted
to the original teachings of the

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early leaders and the spirit
bore witness to me of their

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truth.
And then I had read stuff like

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the seven deadly heresies by
Bruce mcconkie in which he said,

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that not only was it wrong.
She who believed it was an

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apostate.
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And, you know, basically X
communicable essentially and and

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2012 somewhere on their belief
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I'm God Doctrine, not not not
any act in action or change in

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Behavior, but belief was cause
for church, disciplined.

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Anyway, so that became Cognitive

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dissonance, it started to really
stir in like how do you

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reconcile this?
Well, here's the other thing it,

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which we'll get into a lot more
detail in a minute, but I gained

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a testimony that the Gentiles in
the Book of Mormon prophecies

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was the LDS church and that
actually came even be it back.

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Probably 08 earlier weight as
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this testimony and I was at

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Total minority, like, how can
nobody else is seeing this?

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Like, how could it be referring
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addressing the readers?
Like, how many Catholics are

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reading the book of Mormon?
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You're referencing in
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16:10, through whatever, which
talks, well times of actually

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even more.
Second Nephi 28, Mormon a time.

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And we'll get into some of this
and make prime maybe read some

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together, but, but like all
throughout the Isaiah Like this

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and the Nephi's breakdowns of
the Isaiah chapters, he's

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referring to the Gentiles and
he's not referring to the

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Catholic.
Some snow he's not referring to

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the Baptist.
The evangelicals are the J dubs.

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He's referring to readers of the
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How can that be anyone?
But the Mormons boy, that's an

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uncomfortable.
Thought, think about it, isn't

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it?
Because yeah, yeah.

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Its pleasant to identify with
the, you know, blessings

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promised to the descendants of
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And so, I guess it was, it was
really a culmination of multiple

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independent testimonies
Witnesses.

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The spirit gave me one of which
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The church like that.
The Book of Mormon is literally

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calling my church to repentance.
Not just me, personally.

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It's a, it's the, the idea of
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principles.
Even if you vehemently disagree

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with somebody else's beliefs, it
needs to read agency, must be

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respected now, in criminal
activity.

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Needs to be prosecuted and you
need to shine the light of that.

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So like not to excuse, Warren
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But it needs to follow the right
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Like because when you hear the
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know, a lot of people parse that
as meaning whatever.

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The legislative nature passes
and the president signs and the

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Supreme Court doesn't say, isn't
a constitutional, that's what

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you have to follow bullshit.
The law of the land is the

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principles of due process that
you Not be held indefinitely

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without being charged.
You have to have a right to a

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trial of your peers that you
have a right to these due

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process, things that that
protect minorities from being

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trodden upon their by the
majority.

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And that's what the law of the
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It's the law of the land.
The phrase is actually in

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contrast with maritime law, the
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Yep, yep.
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and on the law of the sea, the
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He is the king judge jury
executioner.

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What he says, is the law and
there's a reason for that, if

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you're on, especially, you know,
maybe not so much today, but

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still a little bit today, even
but especially back to 300 years

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ago.
You're on a boat in the middle

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of the Pacific or the Atlantic.
Your life is in his hands and if

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he can't count on you to do
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immediately it jeopardizes
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Buddy's life on that boat.
And that's why Mutiny was such a

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degree just like capital offense
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And if the captain killed you
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he had suspicions or whatever,
he could not be held liable on

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when at the next time the ship
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So it was really the ultimate
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the ship during the course of
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And so a lot of the land is the
opposite of that it is

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individual rights and the
ability to have that.

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So at what point do you do you
then see yourself good?

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Because there's at least for me
there was a point at which I

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like had to do a bunch of
gymnastics.

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Right.
Sure when I was in the church, I

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was like, well, I'm I believe
these fundamentalist kind of

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principles, but I'm still a
member of the LDS church and

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they're still the place for me
to be but I firmly Leave that

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within most fundamentalist lives
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There comes a moment at which
you're like, the two cannot

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occupy the same space for much
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Sure, what was that point for
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Well, so back in 2000 and 13.
I moved to Spanish Fork for a

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job and and during this time
period, so awed, by the way, so

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in 2012 because in 2011, I had
read the discourses of Brigham

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Young 2012.
I got ahold of understanding,

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Adam God, teachings by Drew
Briny.

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Okay?
Read it cover to cover and and

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believed it.
And I got actually had a very

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powerful spiritual witness of
some of the principles and not

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to say that.
Jim knew everything he was

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talking about.
We had a perfect understanding,

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but there are core truths.
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In that Doctrine and and the
spirit bore witness to me.

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And so I couldn't deny that, but
then here's the thing, there's a

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guy named Denver Snuffer, who?
Yeah, Denver is, you know, I

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don't mean to make an enemy, but
he either is a deceiver or he is

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a korihor who's been deceived,
right?

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And, and the fruits of Denver
Snuffer are Dark and bad.

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And you know, I defy anyone to
change my mind.

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That's I, I've seen a lot of the
first hand, so basically Denver

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Snuffer, wrote a book.
And prior to that, he had been

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kind of a closet had his own
agenda but he was still

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operating within the framework
of the church and, you know,

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presenting himself as a faithful
member of the church.

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He came out with a book called
passing the Heavenly gift,

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right?
And you know, it's interesting

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because I had first come across
his like the Comforter book and

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I immediately before I read
anything, I was like, I had a

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like a spiritual warning of.
I don't think this guy is

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trustworthy.
These are sacred things that the

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spirit is taught me, but he
shouldn't be writing them, but

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then I read it and I was like,
wow, these are actually really

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interesting insights and it
aligns with some of the things

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that the scriptures have taught
me and the spirit has taught me

448
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,900
for my scripture study.
And so I kind of was like well

449
00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:45,900
maybe he's a good guy, is it B?
But then he published passing

450
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:48,900
the Heavenly gift.
And I'll be honest, I had a

451
00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:56,500
faith crisis because it shook,
the foundational assumptions

452
00:26:56,500 --> 00:26:59,600
that I had grown up in these
Traditions that had be had been

453
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,200
kind of intertwined with my
testimony of the Gospel, like

454
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:08,100
what?
Well, the church and the

455
00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:12,200
priesthood being one
Inseparable, like the, you know,

456
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,000
one in the same in conflating
those two concepts.

457
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,300
You know, he talked About the
temple in a very disparaging

458
00:27:20,300 --> 00:27:22,900
way.
He talked about the you know

459
00:27:22,900 --> 00:27:29,300
Brigham Young basically being a
dirtbag and yeah, and he

460
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,300
basically he's like Joseph had
it right?

461
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:38,900
Bring him screwed everything up
and and, and I had it had to

462
00:27:38,900 --> 00:27:45,900
really dig deep at that moment
and go to prayer because

463
00:27:46,100 --> 00:27:50,600
ultimately we Hint prove
empirically what happened in

464
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,500
1844 or 47 or anywhere along the
way.

465
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,400
Like there's a lot of historical
records, but, you know, as anti

466
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,200
Mormons are loving to point out
recently, they've been altered

467
00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:05,900
like right.
Yeah, many of them and some have

468
00:28:05,900 --> 00:28:08,500
been lost.
And and, you know, even if we

469
00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:11,400
had like a Smoking Gun quote
unquote, what if it's a forgery

470
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,800
Mark?
Hofmann deceived a lot of really

471
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,900
smart folks and, you know, with
those types of things.

472
00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:22,100
So the, the Materiality I had is
just like God could have said,

473
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:23,700
okay?
Joseph you finished translating

474
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:26,000
the Golden Plates.
Now go donate into the

475
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,600
Smithsonian.
So everyone in the world forever

476
00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:31,100
could come and see the Golden
Plates.

477
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:37,000
No, he took them back, y to test
and try our faith to see if we

478
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,700
will hearken to the workings of
the spirit, rather than relying

479
00:28:40,700 --> 00:28:43,800
Upon Our empirical sensory
inputs.

480
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,400
Because How can it be Faith
otherwise?

481
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,300
Yeah.
And the other thing is that even

482
00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:53,600
if we have those plates?
Hmm.

483
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,200
There would be somebody who
said, yeah, I think they were

484
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,200
forged.
I think they're fake, you know?

485
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,500
And they would do what or they
would, they would have

486
00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:04,900
different, you know, scholarly
interpretations of the

487
00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:07,200
translations and say Joseph
Smith was he smoking.

488
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,200
Like, this doesn't even
correlate here kind of similar

489
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,700
to the complaints against the
book of Abraham with the book of

490
00:29:12,700 --> 00:29:16,900
breathing, right?
Where, you know, Just because it

491
00:29:16,900 --> 00:29:21,900
doesn't have a phonetic perfect
parallel doesn't mean that it

492
00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:25,600
wasn't a tool that God used to
inspire Joseph, to obtain true

493
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,000
Revelation and the Book of
Mormons whole purpose is

494
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,000
spiritual in nature.
Exactly.

495
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,800
Right.
And so anytime that you will

496
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,900
look at what they've done with
the Bible, right?

497
00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:39,600
Because we have plenty of
evidence for the Bible, right?

498
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:46,500
And so they spend a lot of times
focused on the The semantics.

499
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:51,900
Yeah or the mechanisms which
were used or they rely on or

500
00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:54,600
they rely on bias translations.
Right.

501
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,100
Exactly.
And so with I think the beauty

502
00:29:58,100 --> 00:30:01,700
of the Book of Mormon is that
there was one time it was

503
00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:02,800
translated.
Yes.

504
00:30:02,900 --> 00:30:05,900
Right now there's been some
revisions here and there but for

505
00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:08,200
the most part they've been just
grammatical, right?

506
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,200
They haven't been substantive.
There's a few spots that they've

507
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,500
definitely done that.
But by and large and by they

508
00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:18,500
Include Joseph.
He actually authorize certain of

509
00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:23,200
the changes and and so there's
no, there's no opportunity to

510
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:28,700
get lost in the weeds of the
semantics and the the mechanism,

511
00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:31,000
I will say those.
There are various factions

512
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,000
within Mormonism that have very
different interpretations, even

513
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,600
of the Book of Mormon.
No, absolutely.

514
00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:40,200
It's the, it's, it's 1820 all
over again, you know, basically.

515
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:45,200
So, okay, go back to my journey,
so I became a head.

516
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:50,300
This faith Crisis.
I dug deep the spirit bore

517
00:30:50,300 --> 00:30:55,400
witness to me of all things of
the 1886 Revelation I had I was

518
00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:00,100
not seeking that.
Oh crap, but but it was and

519
00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:02,900
ironically I was in gospel
Doctrine at the LDS, Ford in

520
00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:08,400
Spanish Fork at the time and and
so I had just, I read this

521
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,800
passing the Heavenly gift, it
was very destructive and

522
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:18,300
disturbing to me and I Then went
to a bookstore called confetti

523
00:31:18,300 --> 00:31:23,900
books, in Spanish Fork and this
book literally like jumped off

524
00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:27,900
the shelf to me and it was by a
guy named Ogden Kraut and is

525
00:31:27,908 --> 00:31:29,400
called The Church in the
priesthood.

526
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:35,300
And it helped me really work
through this separation of the

527
00:31:35,300 --> 00:31:37,100
Traditions.
I had inherited and been taught

528
00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:39,600
my whole life which is that the
church in the priesthood and the

529
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,500
gospel are one.
You can't have one without the

530
00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:47,100
other.
And I realized that I can retain

531
00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:50,000
my faith.
My testimony in the priesthood

532
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:55,200
without necessarily believing
that the church is infallible as

533
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,900
it dries and and that became a
great gift.

534
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,200
And I also met Drew and and
Kevin goddamn Kraut son at the

535
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,500
time and we've become good great
friends ever since.

536
00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:11,500
And, and, and in fact, I visited
a few groups went down to Rocky

537
00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:15,500
Ridge, which is part of which is
it was where Drew was attending.

538
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,800
Church at the time I visited
with some Peterson folks and

539
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,900
some lebaron's and various
factions of, you know the what

540
00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:28,500
do they call it?
The Second book of Commandments,

541
00:32:28,500 --> 00:32:32,900
folks the anyway.
But yeah.

542
00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:40,100
So event with various and in
every case I did not feel that

543
00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:43,700
it was God's will for me, too.
And I actually was fairly

544
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:46,600
impressed with Rocky Ridge.
I thought, oh, this would be a

545
00:32:46,608 --> 00:32:49,800
much better environment for my
kids to grow up in and all that.

546
00:32:49,900 --> 00:32:55,400
But it was, you know, the Lord
said, wait be patient.

547
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,900
So I just stayed active in the
church and moved out to South

548
00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:02,200
Dakota.
Had opportunities to serve as an

549
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,900
Elders Quorum president out
there and gospel Doctrine

550
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:06,400
teacher.
I was the branch organist.

551
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:11,200
It was a small Branch, right?
And so I was those three things

552
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,000
at the same time.
I remember when I was on the

553
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,400
eastern shore of Maryland, yeah,
it gets a little sparse.

554
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,400
You Gotta Wear a few different
hats.

555
00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:23,500
Yep.
And and I basically probably I

556
00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:26,300
just opened my mouth a little
too much and my branch.

557
00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:28,800
Resident.
The time eventually pulled me in

558
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,000
and said, do you sustain Thomas
S Monson.

559
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,400
Is the one and only, you know,
one man and I was just like, you

560
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,600
know, I sustained him as the
president of the church and you

561
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:46,500
know, but I don't necessarily
subscribe to all everything that

562
00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:51,100
is, you know, implied through
those statements and he's like

563
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:53,300
you're not worthy of a temple
recommend, give it to end.

564
00:33:53,300 --> 00:33:55,400
So he demanded my Temple grow
up.

565
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,100
I called the stake president
because I was Elders Quorum

566
00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:02,900
president at the time and as I
called Prez the president and he

567
00:34:03,100 --> 00:34:06,300
came down he was like yeah let
me come visit.

568
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,000
So the following week I met with
the stake president and explain

569
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,400
what happened and he asked me
the questions I gave the same

570
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,800
answers.
He's like yeah.

571
00:34:16,300 --> 00:34:19,800
The Branch President should have
never done that and so I will

572
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,699
instruct him to return your
recommend next week when he's

573
00:34:22,699 --> 00:34:25,600
back in town.
He and so that was a little

574
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:26,500
awkward.
Third.

575
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:31,100
Well, I bet from this point
forward to, right?

576
00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:36,699
And so and it will actually I
had been considering a move and

577
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,699
and but I had just been like
nothing had been moving like the

578
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,900
doors hadn't opened very quickly
doors opened.

579
00:34:44,900 --> 00:34:48,699
And I moved to Idaho and you
know and had some awkward

580
00:34:48,699 --> 00:34:52,500
conversations with the bishop up
there and and ultimately what

581
00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:59,100
led me to go inactive Was
ironically, Pioneer Trek.

582
00:34:59,700 --> 00:35:01,400
We were going to go on this.
Pioneer truck is going to be

583
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,700
amazing.
I was thrilled.

584
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:06,100
I was, I was the music director.
You know, coordinating for the

585
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,800
music and selecting the songs
and trying to figure out how

586
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,000
we're going to teach everybody.
And you know, how we're going to

587
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,500
do it while we're pushing the
hand carts and it was just going

588
00:35:17,500 --> 00:35:20,300
to be an amazing experience.
I was three and I was bringing

589
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:22,900
my little kids and I went on
Pioneer trick.

590
00:35:22,900 --> 00:35:26,100
When I was like 18, it was
amazing.

591
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,900
Experience for me, I was I was
real excited to share this with

592
00:35:29,900 --> 00:35:34,500
my kids and then come to find
out the local pedophile was

593
00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:39,600
coming.
And I, you know, because when

594
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,300
you move to a new community,
it's probably a good thing for a

595
00:35:42,308 --> 00:35:44,900
husband and father to wait, I
thought those were only in

596
00:35:44,900 --> 00:35:47,400
fundamentalism.
No, no.

597
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,600
So the, you know, I highly
recommend not that, not that you

598
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:56,100
would necessarily come to, you
know, jump.

599
00:35:56,300 --> 00:36:00,400
Conclusions or judge folks, but
but you need to be aware of what

600
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,600
risks are around your children,
and I'm sorry that's a real

601
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,400
thing and the it's public
domain.

602
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,400
And so, I did that research.
When I first moved to this small

603
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,300
community in Idaho, it's called
are mm.

604
00:36:13,300 --> 00:36:18,400
Oh, it's a small jewelry.
And so I population 300, there

605
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,600
was like four or five registered
pedophiles like sex offenders

606
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:26,100
that with with child things
issues.

607
00:36:26,700 --> 00:36:32,300
And so one of whom was coming on
Pioneer Trek and I thought,

608
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,400
well, surely the bishop just
doesn't isn't aware like what

609
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,000
happened because this was like,
he was convicted, three, three,

610
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,000
four years prior, it wasn't that
long ago, where I had been in

611
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,300
Ohio and stuff and so it was a
different state and I thought,

612
00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:49,400
oh, surely the Bishops just not
aware.

613
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,300
And so if I bring it to his
attention, he will then

614
00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:55,300
intervene.
So I go and I talk to the

615
00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:58,200
bishop.
Come to find out.

616
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,800
He was well aware and had
endorsed it.

617
00:37:00,900 --> 00:37:06,900
Oh, wow.
And you know I then was like

618
00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:09,400
just Reeling for three or four
days and I thought oh I need to

619
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,200
call the stake president.
So I called a stake president.

620
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,100
Get an interview lined up with
him the following week and I go

621
00:37:15,100 --> 00:37:24,800
in and Express my concerns and
you know, those bastards back to

622
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,000
the pedophile.
Yeah.

623
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:31,000
And I said okay, I need to think
about this and I thought long

624
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,200
and hard for a couple of weeks
ago, my wife and I had a family

625
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,600
vacation planned anyway, so we
weren't going to be at church

626
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,500
after a couple weeks.
I felt very clearly that the

627
00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:44,600
time had come to remove my
children from the influence of

628
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:49,300
the LDS church, because how
Reckless can you be B2m because

629
00:37:49,300 --> 00:37:53,800
it and it's not just my little
kids, like, the youth, he had

630
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,800
molested, his stepdaughter, who
was like age 16 in Ohio and here

631
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,400
he is going with all of the
youth in the ward, to the wood,

632
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:09,300
to the desert, you know, to the
Wyoming for a five-night Pioneer

633
00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:13,100
Trek.
And, you know, and so I just was

634
00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:15,700
not comfortable with that.
That's what led me to leaving.

635
00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:18,500
And unfortunately, by that point
I had a D.

636
00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:20,400
I had a testimony of my
priesthood.

637
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,800
I had a testimony and
understanding that you can

638
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:27,400
retain priesthood without being
active in the church, I decided

639
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,000
I'm going to be an independent
fundamentalist and so we had

640
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,800
home church for very similar
reasons to why we do homeschool

641
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,800
right?
We did home Church to control

642
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,600
the environment to protect the
kids.

643
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,200
And you know, there's there's
pros and cons to both.

644
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,100
You're right.
But in the world we live in

645
00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:48,100
today, the pros far outweigh the
cons and as far as I'll be, Be

646
00:38:48,107 --> 00:38:50,600
comfortable accounting to
Heavenly Father for my

647
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,400
stewardship as a father and
saying, yeah, we decided to take

648
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,900
the cons of home church instead
of the pros of so.

649
00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:01,300
So a couple things I want to ask
you a quick question here.

650
00:39:01,300 --> 00:39:06,900
Yeah, I find it very interesting
that you spoke about things that

651
00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:09,900
Brigham had said.
And Joseph had said in his like

652
00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:15,000
give me your recommend.
But the pedophile.

653
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,400
Oh, he's cool.
Well now he didn't have a he

654
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,400
didn't have a temple recommend
and he didn't have a calling,

655
00:39:21,500 --> 00:39:24,800
but which the bishop in the
stake president were both will

656
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,600
the letter of the law, says
well.

657
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,500
Yeah.
But but that, that just, and I'm

658
00:39:29,508 --> 00:39:31,300
just like, okay.
So the letter says he can't hold

659
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:32,800
a calling.
What do you think the spirit of

660
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,700
the law that law you know in the
handbook?

661
00:39:34,700 --> 00:39:36,400
Should be right?
Exactly.

662
00:39:37,100 --> 00:39:41,500
Next is I'd like to say I'm
surprised, but when we see what

663
00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:44,400
happened in Arizona, Zona.
Yeah, that story that was

664
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:49,500
reported about six months ago
when When which sadly is not

665
00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:54,900
isolated, know where a mom comes
in and says, my husband's been

666
00:39:54,900 --> 00:39:57,900
molesting my daughters in the
husband says, yeah, I did.

667
00:39:58,500 --> 00:40:02,300
And the Bishops like, well, I
don't have, you know, instead of

668
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:07,100
like one, which there'sthere's
some times, where I feel like

669
00:40:07,100 --> 00:40:10,800
the answers are so clear that
you don't really need to go to

670
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,300
prayer, right then, right?
Like if I'm sitting across from

671
00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:17,700
a Junius like I molested my
daughter's the and I'm In that

672
00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:21,400
position I have all those
resources as a bishop, right.

673
00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:24,500
The full Financial backing of
the LDS church and not just

674
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:25,900
daughters.
Like it was the infant.

675
00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:27,400
Yeah.
It was an infant.

676
00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:32,100
My first response is.
Okay, let's get Mom the kids to

677
00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:35,300
safety.
Now, you're a dirtbag.

678
00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:37,000
We're going to deal with you in
a second.

679
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,400
Yeah, let's go deal with.
Let's get the mom and the kids

680
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:46,000
to safety, that doesn't take.
A movement of the spirit to have

681
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,400
that.
You could wake somebody up

682
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,400
anyone with a fraction of the
Light of Christ, it should have

683
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,000
been self-evident, right?
You could wake someone up from a

684
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,000
coma, right?
And then that should be like and

685
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,000
you could be like, quick.
Here's a scenario and you're

686
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,900
like, well, get the kids and Mom
safety, right?

687
00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:04,800
Duh, right now.
But I think it raises an

688
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,600
interesting point in that, if
you look at the structure of the

689
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,800
LDS church, now, it's not
Revelation.

690
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,600
Holy Ghost and the scriptures.
It's kirton mcconkie in the

691
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:22,500
handbook, right?
So in some ways, as I looked at

692
00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:26,000
that, that story.
I'm like, well, yeah, because

693
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:31,300
you've replaced vital things
with cover your ass techniques

694
00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:34,200
with the attorney.
Well, it's trust in the arm of

695
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,800
the flesh, right?
It's another form of idolatry,

696
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,300
right?
And so that's yeah, no, I agree.

697
00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:46,200
So here's my question this whole
time, You're questioning the

698
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,100
church.
What's your wife thinking?

699
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,400
I Married An Angel.
Okay?

700
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:56,400
And she's amazing.
And so like she trusted me my

701
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:01,200
judgment and my my heart was you
know I had pure motives

702
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:06,500
intentions.
It was certainly not anything

703
00:42:06,500 --> 00:42:11,400
except I wanted the truth and
you know there's a quote by

704
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:16,300
Patrick Henry he says No matter
the cost, I want the whole

705
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:18,500
truth.
I want to know the worst and to

706
00:42:18,500 --> 00:42:22,700
provide for it, right?
And and I thought I don't care

707
00:42:22,700 --> 00:42:27,000
where this where that if it's
true it's where I'm it's what I

708
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:32,800
want and it led me to places I
never would have died in the

709
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,900
time.
You know, I, you know, you ask

710
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:40,500
my 15-year a 15 year ago, self
if I would ever be where I'm at

711
00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:43,400
today.
He would have said, hell no.

712
00:42:44,300 --> 00:42:46,300
Right.
I'm not yeah, that was just in

713
00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:49,900
comprehensible in the at the
time and it was a leap of faith,

714
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:54,200
but she has backed me 100%.
Not to say we haven't had

715
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,700
difficult times that, you know,
we should work through together

716
00:42:57,700 --> 00:43:04,300
and face some hard things and,
you know, but no, I've been,

717
00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:06,400
I've been blessed.
Nice.

718
00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:08,700
Well, I'm with my wife.
That's awesome.

719
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,400
And she actually even had an
interesting experience.

720
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,000
So when I first got my
Revelation like this.

721
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,300
Personal witness that I
undeniable power like to the.

722
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,500
Let me describe that experience
a little bit, so I have prior to

723
00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:27,900
getting married.
I got into some trouble.

724
00:43:27,900 --> 00:43:33,700
Did some things that I regretted
and became convicted of my need

725
00:43:33,700 --> 00:43:37,800
for the atonement and I pleaded
with God in my closet.

726
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:41,900
You know, study the scriptures
was seeking connection and I was

727
00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:46,300
pleading for weeks for For, you
know, I gotta know.

728
00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:50,300
You know, I've offended you.
I'm so sorry.

729
00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:53,800
I got to know that you've
forgiven me that it's possible

730
00:43:53,800 --> 00:44:00,900
to come back and and in one
moment, just, I was in in my

731
00:44:00,900 --> 00:44:11,300
daily prayer and I felt a
presence of Visceral energy.

732
00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:14,300
It was tangible like, not just a
spirit and you know, it wasn't

733
00:44:14,300 --> 00:44:20,000
just, I got a warm fuzzy, it was
electric and it was coursing

734
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,800
through me and it came from some
external Source it.

735
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,400
I've never been able to, I've
never had this kind of

736
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,700
experience from any other time
in my life.

737
00:44:29,900 --> 00:44:36,300
I was infused with this
knowledge of God had accepted my

738
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:38,400
repentance.
I had obtained, a remission of

739
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,200
my sins and it was a
purification.

740
00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:46,700
It was the the impurities were
being burned out of me and I had

741
00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:50,000
that experience and so even
though I read passing the

742
00:44:50,008 --> 00:44:53,800
Heavenly gift, I was like I got
to strip this down but I know

743
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,500
that the atonement is real.
I know God is my father.

744
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,100
I know Christ is my savior and
I'm pretty dang.

745
00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:02,800
Sure.
Joseph Smith is a prophet

746
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,600
because I know the book of
Mormon is true.

747
00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:10,500
And so like yeah, I had to strip
down to the, to the footings and

748
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:16,000
rebuild, but I had solid deep
footings right now and so, but I

749
00:45:16,008 --> 00:45:19,600
had that as a frame of reference
that that experience has been

750
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:26,400
kind of a you could say mile
marker or a touchstone in my

751
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,200
life to complexion.
Yeah, inflection point.

752
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,800
And so I had when I was in
gospel Doctrine and suddenly I

753
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,400
was just pondering on.
The 1886 Revelation and The Same

754
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,200
Spirit, overcame me that
feeling.

755
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,300
I was like, holy cow, I haven't
felt this in years actually and

756
00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:47,100
it just gave me that pure
knowledge that this is of God

757
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:54,300
and it's his law and who are we
to set it aside or to deny it,

758
00:45:54,500 --> 00:45:58,100
right?
And so I basically got told me

759
00:45:58,100 --> 00:46:01,300
right then that I was going to
be living the principle of

760
00:46:01,300 --> 00:46:05,600
plural Celestial marriage, some
point and I still haven't I I am

761
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,800
open and I intend to do God's
Will and who knows when that's

762
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,500
going to happen.
Could be a few more years.

763
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:12,500
I mean, this is like nine years
ago when this first happened,

764
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,800
but I asked my wife, I don't
want you to just follow me.

765
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,700
Even though you, even though you
love me and you trust me and all

766
00:46:19,700 --> 00:46:24,200
that.
Like, you, I don't trust myself

767
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,800
a lot of times and and I need
you to have an independent

768
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,900
witness and bless her heart.
She went and had kind of a, you

769
00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:36,600
know, like a date.
Hammett trial type experience

770
00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:41,000
and but she was willing and she
put her heart on the Altar and

771
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,800
she got a witness that.
Yeah, this is the will of God

772
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,100
for us, not just hypothetically
because you know, it's nice to

773
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:51,900
theorize or maybe in the
Millennium or enter in the next

774
00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:58,700
life or whatever it got real.
And she got a witness and put

775
00:46:58,700 --> 00:47:01,600
her heart on the Altar and, you
know, that's been eight nine

776
00:47:01,700 --> 00:47:04,100
years ago.
My maybe about eight or nine

777
00:47:04,100 --> 00:47:11,900
years, and, So far, God hasn't
asked us to act on it yet and

778
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:13,900
but it's something that we're
open to.

779
00:47:14,100 --> 00:47:20,300
Yeah.
I, you're extremely blessed in

780
00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:22,500
that way.
I know a lot of guys don't have

781
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:27,200
that same ending that that you
and I had frankly, right?

782
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:33,000
I mean I look back at And I've
heard the story before, so I

783
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:37,600
won't do it again here.
But you know really my came into

784
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,500
fundamentalism because of my
wife and a woman who would later

785
00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:43,300
become my wife.
Yeah.

786
00:47:43,700 --> 00:47:45,500
Talking about it, right?
I mean, they kind of been a

787
00:47:45,508 --> 00:47:49,700
wager hug me to it.
And so, little, did you know,

788
00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:53,000
little did I know?
So I was very fortunate that

789
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,200
way, but dude, that's so
interesting.

790
00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:03,000
So, So when you called me and we
talked on the phone and you said

791
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,700
you wanted to talk about and
days prophecy and times prophecy

792
00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:12,900
who I started salivating, right?
And here's the thing, we always,

793
00:48:13,300 --> 00:48:18,100
I feel as Mormons are conflicted
because on one hand were told to

794
00:48:18,100 --> 00:48:21,600
watch and be vigilant.
Yeah and then the Savior says no

795
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:27,200
man knows but my father, right?
So I always get I'm always one.

796
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,700
I never want to be the guy who
Plays pin the tail on the

797
00:48:29,700 --> 00:48:33,900
apocalypse because we never know
when it's going to happen right?

798
00:48:34,700 --> 00:48:39,900
At the same time, we're advised
to be vigilant and to keep

799
00:48:39,900 --> 00:48:42,800
looking.
So I always find these

800
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:48,800
conversations fascinating and
edifying because as we look, as

801
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:53,300
we stay vigilant, I feel like we
can check off the mile markers,

802
00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:55,100
right?
Your mile post down the road,

803
00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:58,500
and get an idea and and forgive
me as a surveyor.

804
00:48:58,700 --> 00:49:00,900
I constantly put things back in
the maps, right?

805
00:49:00,900 --> 00:49:03,800
Yeah, but I constantly am like,
okay.

806
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,100
Where are we?
Where are we?

807
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:09,400
Let's, let's find out where we
are and then calibrate calibrate

808
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:14,200
totally so well.
So one of the most famous

809
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,400
prophecies and I think this is
probably as good a place as any

810
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,800
to start is the White Horse
prophecy.

811
00:49:20,300 --> 00:49:22,100
Are you familiar with that?
I am.

812
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:30,200
So interestingly enough with
covid and The election, you

813
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:35,900
know, in 2020 and just the the
riots, the black lives matter.

814
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:38,900
The, you know, Floyd and all
those things there was, there

815
00:49:38,900 --> 00:49:43,400
was so much going on in the
world and it just became a

816
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,500
weight on my mind.
Like, where are we?

817
00:49:47,500 --> 00:49:52,500
What time is it, like, how
imminent are we talking here?

818
00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:55,900
And, and, of course, one of the
first things that popped in my

819
00:49:55,900 --> 00:49:59,000
mind was the White Horse
prophecy because hey, and No.

820
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,500
The church has kind of somewhat
like disavowed or kind of just

821
00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:08,700
tried to forget about it and
said, well, you know, it may

822
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:11,800
have been fabricated and you
know but the ironic thing about

823
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,100
that is there was two witnesses,
right?

824
00:50:14,100 --> 00:50:18,200
And it Accords with the timeline
of chronology chronological like

825
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,800
facts that we know Joseph was
there on the day that they

826
00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:25,300
thought and addressed the novel
Legion and stuff.

827
00:50:25,300 --> 00:50:28,400
And like so we know that it is
historically.

828
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,800
Very plausible that these and
there's two witnesses, that kind

829
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,100
of, corroborate, this account
now, just because Joseph said

830
00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:38,700
something, does that mean?
It's true.

831
00:50:39,700 --> 00:50:43,400
Well, I think Joseph would even
have us, test test, all things.

832
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,500
Yea, and however, I'll say by
this point in his prophetic

833
00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:50,600
Ministry, he's dialed in.
Oh, for sure.

834
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,300
And I don't mean this in any way
to be like in any way

835
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,200
disparaging of the greatness and
the prophetic.

836
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:06,000
Of Joseph, but but I think that
we in and especially within

837
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,400
fundamentalism but certainly
within the church but we have

838
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:15,600
this tendency to think.
Well, if Joseph said, then it's

839
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:19,800
real, meanwhile we have all of
these accounts of Joseph saying

840
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:26,300
stuff that he later it either
openly admitted Was uninspired

841
00:51:26,300 --> 00:51:30,000
release not inspired by God,
like referring to the trying, to

842
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,800
the attempt to sell the
copyright of the Book of Mormon

843
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,900
up in Canada or things that he
prophesied that, you know,

844
00:51:36,100 --> 00:51:39,100
thought for sure was going to
happen a certain way like Zions

845
00:51:39,100 --> 00:51:41,700
camp and the Redemption of, you
know, that didn't.

846
00:51:41,900 --> 00:51:48,400
And so ultimately, I think even
Joseph is not about he's not

847
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:52,800
infallible and certainly, you
know, Brigham John Taylor.

848
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,800
I mean, these are amazing.
Ants that did a lot of amazing

849
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,300
things and we're very inspired
in a lot of areas, but just

850
00:51:58,300 --> 00:52:02,900
because they said something
doesn't make it true and you

851
00:52:02,900 --> 00:52:07,300
know and so for me that's why I
guess I kind of hinted it

852
00:52:07,300 --> 00:52:11,300
alluded to this but the term
fundamentalist has some baggage

853
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:15,600
one of which is we're just
trying to party like it's 1899

854
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,300
or you know, trying to get back
to 1845 or whatever you pick

855
00:52:19,300 --> 00:52:22,100
your date and everybody's
looking backwards.

856
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:27,600
And to me that doesn't really It
my Paradigm because the spirit

857
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:32,100
has brought me to a desire to
understand.

858
00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:37,700
Well, Joseph changed a lot for
between 1830 and 1840 for Where

859
00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:42,000
would he have been in 1854?
If he hadn't been killed, Where

860
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,100
would he have been in 1864, you
know, where would he have been

861
00:52:46,100 --> 00:52:48,700
in 1890?
Which was that, you know, he

862
00:52:48,700 --> 00:52:53,500
section 130 reference, we don't
know, and we can't know.

863
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,800
But I'm pretty sure it wouldn't
have been where he was in 1844

864
00:52:59,100 --> 00:53:03,200
because in this is this is what
I love about Joseph, right?

865
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,900
Yeah, you can see the maturation
that happens, right?

866
00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:11,500
As he goes from kneeling in a
Grove somewhere, to Leading

867
00:53:11,500 --> 00:53:15,900
people into Kirtland and then
ultimately through Missouri and

868
00:53:15,900 --> 00:53:19,200
into Illinois, right?
You see a maturation process

869
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,600
there and you see it in the
questions.

870
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,300
He asks, right, that's why I
love the Doctrine and Covenants.

871
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:29,300
Because you see, you get a very
real sense that just like

872
00:53:29,300 --> 00:53:32,100
everybody else.
Joseph is striving to come to

873
00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:35,600
know the Savior and in a more
profound way.

874
00:53:36,100 --> 00:53:41,600
And so this idea that he would
have been the same in 1854, as

875
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,200
opposed to 18, you know, pick a
date.

876
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:45,900
Yeah.
Previous to.

877
00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:48,900
That is kind of silly.
None of us are the same person.

878
00:53:48,900 --> 00:53:52,400
Sure.
I and likewise I'm sure maybe,

879
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:57,500
you know, had he lived And maybe
some of the revelations you that

880
00:53:57,500 --> 00:54:00,900
he would have received.
Yeah, and I agree with you that,

881
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,900
that the term fundamentalist
comes loaded.

882
00:54:04,900 --> 00:54:07,700
Yeah.
With visions of prairie dresses.

883
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,100
Sure.
And misogynistic men, right?

884
00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:15,400
Yeah, I do like how Ben Shafer
refers to it as Orthodox

885
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,800
Mormonism.
I think that's a, that's a great

886
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,900
term or you could go with
foundational Mormonism, or you

887
00:54:21,900 --> 00:54:25,300
could just simply go with Truth
Seekers.

888
00:54:25,300 --> 00:54:27,500
Yeah.
Which I kind of am inclined

889
00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:31,400
toward that because there is
such truth and Mormonism and

890
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,700
frankly Joseph Smith said that
if it's true, it is Mormonism.

891
00:54:34,700 --> 00:54:39,000
Yeah and so I'm a Mormon in that
fullest sense of the term in

892
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:43,800
which I am willing to question
anything, even Mormon,

893
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:48,700
traditions, and dogmas and and
all these things that he said.

894
00:54:48,700 --> 00:54:52,600
And so and so said and better
taken by fundamentalists as

895
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,600
gospel.
And and I'm willing to take him

896
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:57,900
to the Lord.
Yeah.

897
00:54:57,900 --> 00:55:01,900
And and and critically think, I
mean, maybe I could, maybe this

898
00:55:01,900 --> 00:55:05,200
is a good time to share a quote,
I brought a couple of notes with

899
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,400
me while while you looked at up.
One of the things I've always

900
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:13,400
said is, let's while
fundamentalists and or Orthodox

901
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,400
Mormons or however you want, put
it certainly seek to preserve

902
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:24,200
The truth and certainly even the
past a little bit.

903
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,200
We got to be careful that we
don't drag some of the past's

904
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,700
steak stay forward forward,
right?

905
00:55:30,700 --> 00:55:33,300
Really.
And so, just going back for the

906
00:55:33,300 --> 00:55:35,900
sake of going back.
I don't think is a good thing.

907
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:39,800
I think we are well wired to
dissect what that is, which puts

908
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:44,100
us in a very unique, and tough
spot, right?

909
00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:47,900
Because now not only do we look
now or forward it, what the LDS

910
00:55:47,900 --> 00:55:49,500
church is either?
Oh, doing or what?

911
00:55:49,500 --> 00:55:52,000
We think they will do.
But now we have to look back and

912
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,600
say, okay, is there anything
back there that doesn't belong

913
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:55,900
up here.
Exactly.

914
00:55:55,900 --> 00:55:59,100
And so, it's an interesting
place that we find ourselves in

915
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:03,600
as Orthodox Mormons or
fundamentalist Mormons in the,

916
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,300
the 21st century.
Sure.

917
00:56:05,700 --> 00:56:08,200
Because, I mean, the very text
book, definition of

918
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:14,400
conservativism or fundamentalism
is not letting go of the old

919
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,500
and, well, the there's enough
prophecies.

920
00:56:18,900 --> 00:56:22,000
By Joseph and Brigham and
various others talking about how

921
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,600
corrupt the people of their day
were that we shouldn't just

922
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,100
assume that if we could get back
to 1889 all would be well or get

923
00:56:29,100 --> 00:56:34,300
back to 1844 or whatever it was.
So John Taylor had this amazing

924
00:56:34,300 --> 00:56:37,000
quote.
He said I believe it is good to

925
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,100
investigate and prove all
principles that come before me,

926
00:56:40,300 --> 00:56:44,100
prove all things hold fast that
which is good and reject, that,

927
00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:46,400
which is evil no matter what
guys, it may come in.

928
00:56:46,900 --> 00:56:50,200
I think if we as Mormons hold In
suppose that cannot be sustained

929
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,200
by the scriptures.
And by good sound reason and

930
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,700
philosophy the quicker.
We part with them, the better.

931
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,700
No matter who believes in them
or who does not in every

932
00:56:57,700 --> 00:57:01,900
principal presented to us.
Our first inquiry should be, is

933
00:57:01,900 --> 00:57:05,000
it true?
Does it emanate from God?

934
00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:07,500
If he is its author it can be
sustained.

935
00:57:07,500 --> 00:57:10,900
Just as much as any other truth
in natural philosophy, if false

936
00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:15,500
it should be opposed and exposed
just as much as any other error.

937
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,500
Hence upon all such matters, we
wish to go back to First.

938
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:22,400
In schools, right?
And so that's like a good

939
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:28,500
Compass of like, okay.
There is great undeniable truth

940
00:57:28,500 --> 00:57:32,300
in Mormonism but we need to be
more interested in truth than

941
00:57:32,300 --> 00:57:35,800
Mormonism in as much as there's
any Divergence between the two

942
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,900
concepts.
And so my path is as a disciple

943
00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:44,100
of Christ.
And as a Mormon is, is, let's

944
00:57:44,100 --> 00:57:48,000
look at the source.
Let's and so, that's probably

945
00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:51,000
why I was kind of driving that
Direction with the whole White

946
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,300
Horse prophecy is, you know,
maybe Joseph did say it, maybe

947
00:57:54,300 --> 00:57:57,900
it was perfectly.
Wanted by the folks who, you

948
00:57:57,900 --> 00:57:59,900
know, later, you know, recorded
it.

949
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,800
That doesn't necessarily mean.
It's infallible either.

950
00:58:03,700 --> 00:58:05,700
But there is certainly value to
it.

951
00:58:05,900 --> 00:58:08,800
But the reason I bring this up
is a kind of a starting point is

952
00:58:10,900 --> 00:58:14,500
I was not content, you know, so
Justin, and I Justin's my

953
00:58:14,500 --> 00:58:17,100
brother-in-law, right?
And Justin, and I were not

954
00:58:17,100 --> 00:58:21,900
content to just accept the White
Horse prophecy as given, like,

955
00:58:21,900 --> 00:58:23,900
take it for granted or, you
know, it was.

956
00:58:24,300 --> 00:58:29,100
And so we were driving out to do
a job in Nevada, and I was

957
00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:34,600
driving and Justins like I want
to see the White Horse prophecy

958
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,100
for myself, you know, kind of
like a Nephi rightly.

959
00:58:38,100 --> 00:58:41,000
I had the vision of the tree of
life and defies like, well, I

960
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,800
want to see it for myself.
I mean, not that I doubt my

961
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,500
debt, my dad's Vision, but I
want to, I want my own

962
00:58:46,500 --> 00:58:52,300
experience and Justin kind of
went into a meditative State and

963
00:58:52,300 --> 00:58:55,100
it's a long drive, so it's like
a couple hours in and I thought,

964
00:58:55,100 --> 00:58:58,500
he'd fallen asleep to be honest
and and he had just been

965
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,900
expecting to see a white horse
or in some kind of a You know,

966
00:59:03,100 --> 00:59:06,900
visual manifestation of this,
you know, of this White Horse

967
00:59:06,900 --> 00:59:11,100
prophecy, we had reread the
account and instead of seeing a

968
00:59:11,107 --> 00:59:14,700
white horse like he just he's
just kind of dark, you know,

969
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:18,400
just waiting in trying to make
space for the spirit to speak

970
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,900
and all that for a long time and
then all of a sudden he sees a

971
00:59:21,900 --> 00:59:26,000
tree and he was a surprise.
He's like wait, I was expecting

972
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,500
it a horse like what's this
tree?

973
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,900
And he's it's this beautiful
tree.

974
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:39,300
Massive just Majestic and full
of wisdom and ancient anyway.

975
00:59:39,300 --> 00:59:43,100
So he sees this and he's just
kind of enjoying the view.

976
00:59:44,100 --> 00:59:50,300
And a very uncertain, very
shocking thing happened.

977
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:55,100
It's struck by lightning and a
major branch falls off to the

978
00:59:55,100 --> 01:00:00,200
ground and turns to dust.
And then he sees the tree and it

979
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:04,400
looks at first like it's going
to survive and be okay, but then

980
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:09,700
it begins to wither and this
this experience that he had was

981
01:00:09,700 --> 01:00:13,600
like, hold on a second.
How what does this have to do

982
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:19,800
with the White Horse prophecy?
And, and so, like, and I share

983
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,800
this not lightly and in the
sense or in any intent to try to

984
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:27,000
say, well, this is a true vision
and you have to believe none of

985
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:31,800
that because Cuz my point is all
of us have the opportunity to

986
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:38,100
approach God and either get our
own confirmation of a certain

987
01:00:38,100 --> 01:00:41,100
thing or our own experience of a
certain thing like me fight.

988
01:00:41,100 --> 01:00:43,300
And if I said, God is no
respecter of persons, anybody

989
01:00:43,300 --> 01:00:46,200
can get this if you ask and you
have faith and it's God's will.

990
01:00:46,500 --> 01:00:51,100
So and it's our privilege as
Saints as Mormons to to learn

991
01:00:51,100 --> 01:00:53,700
that principle.
So Joe, Justin had that

992
01:00:53,700 --> 01:00:56,500
experience in at first, we were
just like, well, what does that

993
01:00:56,500 --> 01:01:01,200
have to do with?
Horse prophecy and and I think

994
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,200
this is a good place time to
kind of dive into first Nephi,

995
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,500
chapter 14 before we get there,
can you just kind of give an

996
01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:10,600
overview because I do have some
some folks who've never been

997
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,200
Mormon.
Sure the that listen to the

998
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,700
podcast.
Can you give kind of a summary

999
01:01:15,700 --> 01:01:17,800
of what the White Horse prophecy
was?

1000
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:22,500
Yeah absolutely.
So basically some a couple of

1001
01:01:22,508 --> 01:01:26,100
guys as the as the accounts go
approach Joseph and they're

1002
01:01:26,100 --> 01:01:29,100
asking him well what What how,
what's the what's going to

1003
01:01:29,100 --> 01:01:32,600
happen?
You know, prophesy for us, oh,

1004
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:37,500
prophet of the restoration and
and Joseph basically describes

1005
01:01:37,500 --> 01:01:40,700
the future events of the
restoration, and he talks about

1006
01:01:40,700 --> 01:01:44,700
a white horse, and he talks
about there are four horses

1007
01:01:44,700 --> 01:01:49,300
actually, and there's a red
horse, there is a black horse,

1008
01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:54,500
and there is a yellow horse.
And so, he sees these horses,

1009
01:01:54,500 --> 01:01:58,700
he's describing in kind of
poetic You know, apocalyptic

1010
01:01:58,700 --> 01:02:01,900
kind of fashion, the
interactions of these horses,

1011
01:02:01,900 --> 01:02:07,100
how the White Horse allies with
the red horse and, you know, and

1012
01:02:07,100 --> 01:02:10,200
they, you know, and then there's
this black horse, that is

1013
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:14,200
destructive and then the Yellow
Horse comes in and and allies

1014
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,100
word, you know, they're
competing, but they are both

1015
01:02:17,500 --> 01:02:21,800
destructive forces.
And and that there's it's

1016
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,100
apocalyptic.
It's a vision of the end times

1017
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:29,600
and it's not pretty.
It's Its destructive, but

1018
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,800
there's hope because there's
this white horse and there's

1019
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,900
this the alliance with the red
horse and the interpretation is

1020
01:02:35,900 --> 01:02:39,100
that the is given in the
accounts is that the White Horse

1021
01:02:39,100 --> 01:02:42,200
represents the church.
You know the priesthood the you

1022
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:47,500
know the restoration and the red
horse represents the Native

1023
01:02:47,500 --> 01:02:52,100
Americans and the black horse
represents you know I think it's

1024
01:02:52,100 --> 01:02:55,800
specifically talks about maybe
maybe racial lines like black

1025
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:00,000
races but I think it Poetic leak
goes, far beyond that, it's just

1026
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:06,300
more of a, you know, could be
Russia, you know, it could, you

1027
01:03:06,300 --> 01:03:08,700
know, and of the Yellow Horse
would correspond racially with

1028
01:03:08,700 --> 01:03:12,600
China and maybe an alliance
between those two powers and

1029
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:17,100
stuff like that and ultimately
the whole Earth being covered

1030
01:03:17,100 --> 01:03:22,000
with darkness and oppression
except for the city of Zion

1031
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,200
where the White Horse and red
horse er er you know able to

1032
01:03:25,300 --> 01:03:27,800
create a place of okay.
Safety.

1033
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,200
So I mean I probably butchered
it as that's actually been a

1034
01:03:31,207 --> 01:03:33,300
couple of years since I read it,
so hopefully that does it

1035
01:03:33,308 --> 01:03:35,400
justice.
But perfectly is just, you can

1036
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:36,300
Google this.
Yeah.

1037
01:03:36,300 --> 01:03:39,600
And I will, I will find a link
and I'll put it in the, in the

1038
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,500
episode page.
I know Ogden crowd.com has a,

1039
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,900
has a online free to read for
any perfect.

1040
01:03:45,900 --> 01:03:55,400
So, but yeah, so the first Nephi
chapter 14, the context here so

1041
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,500
this is actually right when
Lehigh had the vision of the

1042
01:03:58,500 --> 01:04:01,900
Tree of Life Nephi's, like I
want to see that and so the Lord

1043
01:04:01,900 --> 01:04:05,300
gives him the the same vision
with a lot more detail or at

1044
01:04:05,300 --> 01:04:07,100
least Nephi records.
A lot more detail and

1045
01:04:07,100 --> 01:04:11,300
understanding he's able to ask
questions of the spirit, who's

1046
01:04:11,300 --> 01:04:13,600
kind of his tour guide of his
experience.

1047
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:21,700
And then after which, he sees
his people destroyed, which

1048
01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:25,100
broke his heart.
He sees the the seat of his

1049
01:04:25,100 --> 01:04:28,100
Brethren, the lamanites, the,
they They survived.

1050
01:04:28,100 --> 01:04:29,800
But their dwindled, and
unbelief.

1051
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:35,000
And, and then he sees Columbus,
and he sees the founding of

1052
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,800
America in the in 34, first
Nephi chapter 13, it's it's

1053
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,900
essentially now in some critics
of Joseph Smith would say well

1054
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,900
he didn't have to prophesy that
it was past history but you know

1055
01:04:45,900 --> 01:04:50,900
Nephi from the perspective of
Nephi, this was future events.

1056
01:04:51,300 --> 01:04:57,500
And so anyway, then we get into
chapter 14 and this is after the

1057
01:04:57,500 --> 01:05:01,200
rest or this, this is early in
the restoration, it shall come

1058
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,500
to pass that if the Gentiles
shall hearken unto the Lamb of

1059
01:05:04,500 --> 01:05:07,300
God in that day, that he shall
manifest himself unto them

1060
01:05:07,300 --> 01:05:09,800
inward.
It also in power in very deed

1061
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,300
under the taking away of their
stumbling blocks.

1062
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:17,300
Now, this is not necessary.
This is, I mean the church and

1063
01:05:17,300 --> 01:05:20,100
if you doubt it I'll just throw
out doctor and Covenants

1064
01:05:20,100 --> 01:05:23,600
section. 109 verse 60 is the
dedicatory prayer of the

1065
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:27,200
Kirtland.
Given by Revelation and in which

1066
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:31,200
Joseph Smith says, the church is
identified with the Gentiles.

1067
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,700
So in case anybody thinks that
I'm just smoke, I didn't know

1068
01:05:34,700 --> 01:05:36,000
that.
I didn't actually some lacrosse

1069
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,100
that to a couple years after the
spirit kind of said, gave me

1070
01:05:39,100 --> 01:05:43,600
this impression that no, we are
the Gentiles that the LDS church

1071
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:45,700
are the Gentiles.
And then I came across that

1072
01:05:45,700 --> 01:05:49,600
section 109 460 that really kind
of corroborated that.

1073
01:05:49,700 --> 01:05:53,700
And so I'm not saying this is
exclusively one way or the other

1074
01:05:53,700 --> 01:05:59,200
because It's kind of can be both
ways but who who of the Gentiles

1075
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,300
hearkened to the Lamb of God in
any fashion in the times of

1076
01:06:03,300 --> 01:06:06,700
Joseph and hardened not their
hearts against the Lamb of God,

1077
01:06:06,900 --> 01:06:09,400
they shall be numbered among the
seat of thy father.

1078
01:06:10,700 --> 01:06:15,600
Now this this is fascinating is,
you know, a lot of people, you

1079
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,100
know, especially in the early
days Joseph Smith had missionary

1080
01:06:18,100 --> 01:06:22,300
efforts to the lamanites.
And you know, and even through,

1081
01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:26,200
you know, 50, 60, 70 s 80s until
the church kind of abandoned,

1082
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,200
that whole track was there was
this Outreach effort to the

1083
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:34,100
Native Americans because they
were understood to be the

1084
01:06:34,100 --> 01:06:39,300
descendants of Lehi through the
lamanites and And we have some

1085
01:06:39,300 --> 01:06:46,600
duties as the Gentiles to those
folks and so, but but I always

1086
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,000
had this perspective that, oh
well, we're going to go and

1087
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,600
convert them and they're going
to join the church and be

1088
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:56,400
numbered Among Us what these
prophecies if you really dive

1089
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,700
into second Nephi.
And first Nephi chapter the, you

1090
01:06:59,700 --> 01:07:04,600
know, the last five or 10
chapters of first Nephi is that

1091
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:09,900
the it's actually the opposite.
We the Gentiles become numbered

1092
01:07:09,900 --> 01:07:15,100
among the lamanites and it's a
blessing, they shall be a

1093
01:07:15,100 --> 01:07:18,900
blessed people upon the promised
land forever because this land

1094
01:07:18,900 --> 01:07:22,400
is actually the lamanites
promised land.

1095
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,100
It's there.
Excuse me, the seed of Lehigh

1096
01:07:25,100 --> 01:07:28,500
has promised land Lehigh
received the Covenant from God,

1097
01:07:28,500 --> 01:07:30,600
that this was his paws series,
land forever.

1098
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:36,100
And if we as Gentiles wish to
partake in that promise, we must

1099
01:07:36,100 --> 01:07:38,500
become numbered among the Seat
of Lehigh.

1100
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:43,200
So, real quick, let me just
clarify some things here and

1101
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,500
make sure I understand
correctly, what you're saying

1102
01:07:46,700 --> 01:07:51,000
because it's my understanding
that in the early days, when

1103
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:55,700
Joseph was really, you know,
pushing the missionary work,

1104
01:07:55,700 --> 01:07:58,600
which is interesting in the self
because that's like the first

1105
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,100
thing after the churches
organized.

1106
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,300
Yeah.
Go talk to the Native Americans.

1107
01:08:02,300 --> 01:08:04,000
Right?
Let's get after it.

1108
01:08:04,700 --> 01:08:08,500
But also there are there are
foreign missions at Because he's

1109
01:08:08,500 --> 01:08:10,400
drawing out Ephraim.
It's right.

1110
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:15,500
And Ephraim is technically if
I'm not mistaken in the same

1111
01:08:15,500 --> 01:08:19,500
house that that the Honey Pies.
Right?

1112
01:08:19,500 --> 01:08:22,100
Jefferson the house of Joseph.
Yeah.

1113
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:29,800
So I'm trying to to understand
here then, if we're going to

1114
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,100
join them, haven't we?
Technically aren't we already

1115
01:08:32,100 --> 01:08:35,600
technically joined in the in
that we're, we're both Joseph.

1116
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,700
That's a great point.
So there are two branches of the

1117
01:08:38,700 --> 01:08:39,899
seat of Joseph.
Okay.

1118
01:08:40,399 --> 01:08:43,700
There's the, I guess you'd say
the European white branch and

1119
01:08:43,700 --> 01:08:50,000
then there's the Native American
branch and the records talking

1120
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:54,000
about like the Joseph shall be
an overflowing bow and write it

1121
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,100
with the Stick of JoJo, coming
Joseph and the Stick of Judah

1122
01:08:57,100 --> 01:09:00,100
and all over the wall.
So that is clearly a reference

1123
01:09:00,100 --> 01:09:04,399
to the Native American.
But to your point Joseph Smith

1124
01:09:04,899 --> 01:09:11,200
was also a direct descendant of
Joseph in Egypt and you know by

1125
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:16,300
either by direct lineage or by
adoption I'm pretty sure its

1126
01:09:16,300 --> 01:09:19,700
lineage.
I feel you know right that is a

1127
01:09:19,700 --> 01:09:24,800
truth statement but they perform
different roles.

1128
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,200
Right?
And they are clearly the

1129
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,899
Gentiles in the Book of Mormon
prophecies even though there may

1130
01:09:30,899 --> 01:09:36,600
be of the lineage of Joseph,
they have a different role in

1131
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:41,300
these prophecies.
I had a good friend and this is

1132
01:09:41,300 --> 01:09:43,600
a story I've rehearsed before on
here.

1133
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,600
But it's something I'll say
again because I think it has

1134
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,899
some practical applications in
this discussion.

1135
01:09:47,899 --> 01:09:54,400
Yeah, his his name was Joel, his
dad, Zeke was a rabbi And we had

1136
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,900
talked, I had a question for
him.

1137
01:09:56,900 --> 01:09:59,400
I'm a firm believer that if
you're a Mormon you you really

1138
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:04,100
do need your own Rabbi because
there's a ton of oral history

1139
01:10:04,100 --> 01:10:06,100
that we just don't have as I've
got a rabbi.

1140
01:10:06,100 --> 01:10:08,500
Yeah.
And you know, they they have

1141
01:10:08,500 --> 01:10:12,400
access to the talmud and you
know other things such as that

1142
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,900
but I asked sequence, I was
like, why isn't America ever

1143
01:10:15,900 --> 01:10:21,400
mentioned anywhere in Prophecy?
And he had he gave me a very

1144
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:23,800
interesting answer.
The first thing he did Is

1145
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:27,700
referred me back to a book.
And, and I later triple checked,

1146
01:10:27,700 --> 01:10:29,700
it made.
Sure it was correct, George

1147
01:10:29,700 --> 01:10:35,200
Washington after the
Constitutional Convention, Is in

1148
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:39,300
New York and is getting sworn in
as the first Commander in Chief

1149
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:42,700
under this new government, not
the Articles of Confederation.

1150
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:46,200
His First Act is to take all the
members of Congress that are

1151
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,100
there.
And they March down the st.

1152
01:10:48,100 --> 01:10:49,200
Mark's Church.
Yeah.

1153
01:10:49,700 --> 01:10:54,300
And Washington puts himself, and
the nation under the same

1154
01:10:54,300 --> 01:10:58,500
Covenant as David and Solomon
did in the Old Testament.

1155
01:10:58,500 --> 01:11:01,400
Yeah.
And Zeke's opinion was, is

1156
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:05,500
because America gets numbered
with Israel because This is the

1157
01:11:05,500 --> 01:11:10,300
only other country that made the
same Covenant as Israel.

1158
01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:12,200
It's us in Israel.
That's the only ones who ever

1159
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,600
made a covenant with their God
of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

1160
01:11:16,900 --> 01:11:20,700
Well and I would I would include
Lehigh but he wouldn't have been

1161
01:11:20,700 --> 01:11:23,400
aware of that.
But yeah this and this land in

1162
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,000
particular all throughout the
Book of Mormon is the promised

1163
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,100
land, right?
A land without Kings a land of

1164
01:11:29,100 --> 01:11:33,700
freedom and liberty and but it
is a covenant.

1165
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:38,100
Yes.
And if Reject, the god that the

1166
01:11:38,100 --> 01:11:42,200
Covenant is made with will will
be swept off and we have a lot

1167
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,800
of case, studies of that
happening in the Book of Mormon,

1168
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:45,400
right?
Yeah.

1169
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,400
Yeah.
And in fact, I've often wondered

1170
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,800
that some like, Roanoke, I'm
wondering if it didn't make it

1171
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:56,300
because they get back to the
Covenant didn't go forward with

1172
01:11:56,300 --> 01:11:57,200
the Covenant.
Yeah.

1173
01:11:57,300 --> 01:11:59,900
The other thing you can look at
is they were very money Centric

1174
01:11:59,900 --> 01:12:02,500
in their expedition, right?
Yeah.

1175
01:12:02,500 --> 01:12:06,600
And you look at like, the more -
rather than the Puritans coming

1176
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,600
over, and they're just seeking
Freedom.

1177
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:12,300
We just want to worship.
God, I think it's an interesting

1178
01:12:12,300 --> 01:12:16,200
dichotomy there, totally.
So and just one more quick

1179
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:20,000
Point, since you brought it up
Genesis chapter, I believe it's

1180
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:24,800
48 or 49.
It's when Israel in his old age,

1181
01:12:24,900 --> 01:12:30,500
is giving blessings to the sons
of Joseph, Ephraim and Manasseh

1182
01:12:30,700 --> 01:12:36,200
and Manasseh was actually the
older and and so Joseph.

1183
01:12:36,900 --> 01:12:41,200
Kind of when he saw his father.
Putting his right hand on

1184
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:43,800
ephraim's head.
Joseph like wait Dad you're

1185
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:48,100
backwards you know Manasses the
older he should get the

1186
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:51,400
birthright or whatever, the
greater blessing and Israel says

1187
01:12:51,900 --> 01:12:55,600
no my son you know manasa she'll
be great.

1188
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:59,700
But he from Shelby greater he
shall become the father of many

1189
01:13:00,300 --> 01:13:04,000
and I have a copy of the Bible
in Hebrew.

1190
01:13:04,900 --> 01:13:07,900
And I was, I was just reading
through just kind of doing some

1191
01:13:07,900 --> 01:13:10,400
Biblical Hebrew studies.
And I came across that verse

1192
01:13:11,100 --> 01:13:14,600
because in English is translated
as many nations in Hebrew.

1193
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:18,200
It says goyim which is usually
translated Gentiles.

1194
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,400
Yep.
So in other words Ephraim

1195
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,300
becomes the father of many
Gentiles.

1196
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:27,500
Yeah that's interesting.
And Lehi was actually manasa by

1197
01:13:27,500 --> 01:13:29,900
the way.
So but they it was this this

1198
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,100
Ishmael was Ephraim.
And so like they're obviously

1199
01:13:34,100 --> 01:13:36,500
they're both.
They were the right the house of

1200
01:13:36,500 --> 01:13:39,400
Joseph on this land.
But but yeah, I think that

1201
01:13:39,500 --> 01:13:44,400
Ephraim in particular performs,
a certain role and they're both

1202
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:47,200
descendants of Joseph, they're
both branches of Joseph's line.

1203
01:13:47,700 --> 01:13:52,700
But in the context of this, the
Gentiles, in other words, the

1204
01:13:52,700 --> 01:13:57,700
white Europeans who come
immigrated to this land must be

1205
01:13:57,700 --> 01:14:00,600
numbered among the indigenous
peoples of this land, okay?

1206
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:06,000
In some way, that's how and, and
this It is not an isolated

1207
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:09,500
interpretation, I think as we go
through more, it'll be, it'll be

1208
01:14:10,100 --> 01:14:14,400
kind of clear that, that, that
that's not a stretch to reach

1209
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,800
that conclusion.
So, and basically, though, what

1210
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:24,900
you notice with this is a big
word, if this is a conditional

1211
01:14:24,900 --> 01:14:25,800
prophecy.
Where is this?

1212
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:31,500
A verse 1, okay?
If the Gentiles shall and and

1213
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:35,700
then they, and then, so in the
second, Half of verse 2.

1214
01:14:35,900 --> 01:14:38,600
If they do that, then they shall
be a blessed people upon the

1215
01:14:38,608 --> 01:14:40,800
promised land forever.
They shall no more be brought

1216
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:44,200
down into captivity and the
house of Israel shall no more be

1217
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:49,300
confounded.
I think that the White Horse is

1218
01:14:49,300 --> 01:14:54,400
what was supposed to happen.
I think that was the vision of

1219
01:14:54,800 --> 01:15:00,400
of the Gentiles fully repenting
coming unto Christ, being

1220
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:05,600
empowered Redeeming, the Native
American folks and fulfilling

1221
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:11,800
the good, the plan a Rises, but
because it's conditional.

1222
01:15:13,700 --> 01:15:15,600
And we can kind of with
hindsight.

1223
01:15:15,700 --> 01:15:20,100
No, it didn't happen.
Like, are we in captivity right

1224
01:15:20,100 --> 01:15:23,600
now?
Well, financially financially,

1225
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:27,200
we're slaves.
Yeah, politically we are slaves.

1226
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,500
You know, mask mandates and
vaccine mandates.

1227
01:15:30,500 --> 01:15:34,900
You know, maybe people who have
firm convictions are willing to

1228
01:15:34,900 --> 01:15:37,600
walk away from their jobs and
take a leap of faith and find a

1229
01:15:37,608 --> 01:15:41,400
new job, but a lot of people
that's just incomprehensible to

1230
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:43,400
do that even though they don't
like it.

1231
01:15:43,700 --> 01:15:46,600
So how free are we really as
Gentiles?

1232
01:15:46,900 --> 01:15:48,900
And then you look at the Native
Americans?

1233
01:15:50,100 --> 01:15:52,500
How are they doing?
All right, have they been

1234
01:15:52,500 --> 01:15:55,800
redeemed?
No, they are still confounded

1235
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:58,900
for sure.
Skipping down to verse 5 again

1236
01:15:59,100 --> 01:16:02,000
that was beheld me five that if
the Gentiles repent it shall be

1237
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:06,100
well with them.
That was also heard that who

1238
01:16:06,100 --> 01:16:09,600
repent if not must perish verse
6, therefore woe be unto the

1239
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:13,200
Gentiles if it's so be that they
hardened, their hearts against

1240
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:15,800
the Lamb of God.
For the time come a sayeth, the

1241
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:17,000
lamb.
I will work a great and

1242
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:22,100
marvelous work and then he come,
he proceeds into verse 8,

1243
01:16:22,100 --> 01:16:24,100
remember the covenants of the
father and of the House of

1244
01:16:24,100 --> 01:16:26,800
Israel.
And if I says yay verse 9, it

1245
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:30,400
and it came to pass that he said
unto me, look and behold that

1246
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,600
great and abominable Church
which is the mother of

1247
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:34,700
Abominations whose founder is
the devil.

1248
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,900
And he said unto me, behold,
there are safe to churches.

1249
01:16:37,900 --> 01:16:40,200
Only the one is the Church of
the Lamb of God.

1250
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:43,000
And the other is the Church of
the devil where for whoso

1251
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,900
belongings, not to the Church of
the Lamb of God, belonged to the

1252
01:16:45,900 --> 01:16:48,000
great church, which is the
mother of Abominations.

1253
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,700
And she is the horror of all the
Earth it came to pass.

1254
01:16:50,700 --> 01:16:53,100
I looked and beheld the horror
of all the Earth she sat upon

1255
01:16:53,100 --> 01:17:00,400
many Waters.
Now many Waters, It hit me.

1256
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:06,300
The like the contrast between
law of the land due process,

1257
01:17:06,300 --> 01:17:09,500
constitutional principles
protections of the rights of

1258
01:17:09,500 --> 01:17:13,600
minorities versus the law of the
water where the captain is,

1259
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,700
where it's a dictatorship.
It's a, yeah, that it's a

1260
01:17:16,700 --> 01:17:21,300
despotism and I thought, wow.
Is that not a great visual

1261
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:23,700
representation of the kingdom of
the devil?

1262
01:17:24,700 --> 01:17:29,300
Oppression dictatorship.
So anyway, she sat upon many

1263
01:17:29,300 --> 01:17:33,200
Waters and she had dominion over
all the Earth among all nations,

1264
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:39,200
kindred's tongues and people.
So government, it Caesar, right?

1265
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:42,400
And so and it came to pass, I
beheld the Church of the Lamb of

1266
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:45,100
God were few.
So okay, so I guess just really

1267
01:17:45,100 --> 01:17:49,200
quick before we finish these
last next couple of verses is I

1268
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:51,600
think with hindsight, it's
pretty self.

1269
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:55,200
Evident that the, the Gentiles
of the early Age of the

1270
01:17:55,200 --> 01:18:01,500
restoration, we're on plant,
we're on track, be because of,

1271
01:18:01,700 --> 01:18:03,700
we are aware of the condition
that we can see.

1272
01:18:03,700 --> 01:18:06,700
We've, you know, we're in an
awful situation right now and

1273
01:18:06,700 --> 01:18:09,900
maybe doesn't maybe everybody
doesn't realize that, but we

1274
01:18:09,900 --> 01:18:12,900
haven't certainly reclaimed
Israel, you know, the Native

1275
01:18:12,900 --> 01:18:18,000
Americans.
And anyway, so because of that.

1276
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:24,300
The dominions of Satan are
everywhere and it shall come to

1277
01:18:24,300 --> 01:18:26,100
pass that the Church of the Lamb
of God.

1278
01:18:26,100 --> 01:18:28,900
And it's numbers were few
because of the wickedness and

1279
01:18:28,900 --> 01:18:32,200
Abominations of the whore, who
sat upon many Waters, you think

1280
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:37,600
about even amongst the Mormonism
even amongst Mormons, how many

1281
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:42,700
of us know to Caesar right with
masks and vaccines some some of

1282
01:18:42,708 --> 01:18:47,600
them willingly like because the
prophet said you know and and

1283
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:51,700
he'll of course present Nelson.
Have to account to God for those

1284
01:18:51,700 --> 01:18:55,200
actions but we also have
personal responsibility.

1285
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:57,900
We will personally account and
I'm not judging or condemning

1286
01:18:57,900 --> 01:19:02,600
anybody because I don't know
what you what circumstances you

1287
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,100
were in if you know, if you're
the sole Breadwinner and there

1288
01:19:05,100 --> 01:19:08,200
was no other Prospect and you
just literally felt that you had

1289
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:12,600
to you were coerced.
I mean, there's duress sure, I

1290
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:18,400
look at it, I didn't take a real
black and white stance on that,

1291
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:19,400
yeah, right.
Right.

1292
01:19:20,100 --> 01:19:26,800
I was a little pissed that Rusty
came out and, you know, was

1293
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:31,100
like, safe effective.
You need to take this.

1294
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:34,500
I think, because he was just
parroting what his advisors had

1295
01:19:34,500 --> 01:19:36,200
said.
In those moments, I certainly,

1296
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:37,800
he wasn't speaking
prophetically.

1297
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:39,400
Think it's a little darker than
that.

1298
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:44,900
So, just a couple months prior
during the midst of covid,

1299
01:19:44,900 --> 01:19:47,200
David, A Bednar went and spoke
at the G20.

1300
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:53,500
I have the clip.
And in there he says exactly and

1301
01:19:53,500 --> 01:19:58,800
I'll post this clip so people
can see it but he says religions

1302
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:03,000
can be an important partner with
government in that we can help

1303
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:06,500
with your messaging when it
comes to the vaccine, because

1304
01:20:06,500 --> 01:20:08,500
there will naturally be
hesitancy.

1305
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:12,300
That's his words.
Not mine.

1306
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:18,900
And I won't say, I won't divulge
much here right now because I'm

1307
01:20:18,900 --> 01:20:23,100
still waiting on a few more
things to come in, but I'll just

1308
01:20:23,100 --> 01:20:26,800
say this, there's some things
coming on this podcast, not this

1309
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:30,900
episode, but on this podcast and
Church Headquarters is not as

1310
01:20:30,900 --> 01:20:34,500
sealed up, as what people would
like, well, Mormon leaks.

1311
01:20:34,900 --> 01:20:37,400
Well, yeah, and and maybe
there's more that you're

1312
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:42,400
alluding to there.
One reach out to me very

1313
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,900
recently, so stay tuned for that
folks because I got something

1314
01:20:45,900 --> 01:20:52,800
coming, that's pretty big.
But what, what what bugged me

1315
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:54,900
was the fact that there was no
middle ground.

1316
01:20:54,900 --> 01:20:57,900
There was no, there was, there
was no respect for personal

1317
01:20:57,900 --> 01:21:00,300
agency.
I would have been fine.

1318
01:21:00,300 --> 01:21:05,600
I would have said, kudos to you,
had he come out and say look, I

1319
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,500
believe it's safe and effective,
but you need to pray about it

1320
01:21:08,500 --> 01:21:11,400
and find out if it's right for
you, Because we don't know how

1321
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:14,600
this vaccine is going to
interact with everybody full

1322
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,500
disclosure.
Yeah, my wife's got some medical

1323
01:21:17,500 --> 01:21:19,200
problems.
I got the first dose.

1324
01:21:19,300 --> 01:21:20,200
Uh-huh.
Right.

1325
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:23,900
I did, we prayed about it.
I didn't get additional because

1326
01:21:23,900 --> 01:21:30,400
I felt the Lord say no more.
Hmm, But I'm totally fine with

1327
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:33,500
somebody saying.
You know what, I prayed about it

1328
01:21:33,500 --> 01:21:36,900
and I should or I prayed about
it and I shouldn't because we're

1329
01:21:36,900 --> 01:21:39,700
all different total, right?
And so, who knows how that's

1330
01:21:39,700 --> 01:21:43,300
going.
I'm going to to to go, but for

1331
01:21:43,300 --> 01:21:46,900
him to come out with a blanket
statement and just say everybody

1332
01:21:46,900 --> 01:21:50,100
needs to get this, I also will
say that, I think he showed

1333
01:21:50,100 --> 01:21:54,100
himself as a false prophet
because he said, the way out of

1334
01:21:54,100 --> 01:21:57,600
this pandemic is by taking this
vaccine.

1335
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,700
Well, we know.
Now that's not true because the

1336
01:22:01,700 --> 01:22:05,900
vaccine was not effective.
So by opening himself up to

1337
01:22:05,900 --> 01:22:09,300
that, and offering prophetic
Counsel on that.

1338
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:15,200
Well, and the other thing is the
I have a dear family member

1339
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:20,300
extended family member that you
know felt very strongly, she

1340
01:22:20,300 --> 01:22:23,300
shouldn't get the vaccine but
then president Nelson made his

1341
01:22:23,300 --> 01:22:28,200
announcement and she prayed
about it and still didn't feel

1342
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:31,400
good about it but she's like, I
just really want to be in

1343
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:36,500
harmony with the prophet.
And so then she prayed at third

1344
01:22:36,500 --> 01:22:42,200
time and took the Jab.
And you know, and she hasn't

1345
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:45,300
hasn't had any catastrophic
health impact that I'm aware of

1346
01:22:45,300 --> 01:22:49,200
it that I've heard of anyway.
But you know I just I heard that

1347
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:53,600
story and I mean I loved her
faith, her simple faith and her

1348
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:55,200
true.
Her sincere desires.

1349
01:22:55,900 --> 01:23:00,000
But it was just so misguided
because wait, you already got

1350
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:04,400
your answer from God but you
questioned it and you you took

1351
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:08,100
it again.
And it's like, well, You know, I

1352
01:23:08,100 --> 01:23:11,400
think a lot of times we pray and
we ask really dumb questions to

1353
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:13,100
God.
We ask yes or no questions we

1354
01:23:13,100 --> 01:23:17,500
ask and we're like and if we say
hey God should I do this.

1355
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:21,700
He's like sure if you want like
you know it's your choice.

1356
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:26,200
And so it's it's difficult and
it when we need to respect, like

1357
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:30,100
you're saying if people get
different answers it doesn't

1358
01:23:30,100 --> 01:23:34,100
mean that God is capricious or
inconsistent or changeable know.

1359
01:23:34,100 --> 01:23:36,500
That means, he's speaking to you
to your seat.

1360
01:23:36,700 --> 01:23:39,900
Relation or he's just or he's
just honoring your agency,

1361
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:47,400
right?
So anyway, so going back to if

1362
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:48,800
you don't mind, it was anything
else?

1363
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,600
No, no, sorry, I, you're good.
Cook is down around your good.

1364
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:55,300
Sis first Nephi 14 and finishing
12, I'd be held at the church of

1365
01:23:55,300 --> 01:23:56,700
the Lamb who were the saints of
God.

1366
01:23:56,700 --> 01:23:59,900
We're also upon all the face of
the Earth, they're scattered

1367
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:03,700
their dominions upon the face of
the Earth were small because of

1368
01:24:03,700 --> 01:24:04,900
the wickedness of the great
whore.

1369
01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:10,000
I can relate to that, it came to
pass, I behold that the great

1370
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,400
mother of a moment of
Abominations to gather together

1371
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:15,900
multitudes among all the nations
of the Gentiles to fight against

1372
01:24:15,900 --> 01:24:19,700
the Lamb of God, came to pass ID
5 behold, the power of the Lamb

1373
01:24:19,700 --> 01:24:22,500
of God that had descended upon
the Saints of the Church of the

1374
01:24:22,500 --> 01:24:24,700
lamb and upon the Covenant
people of the Lord.

1375
01:24:24,900 --> 01:24:27,400
Now it's interesting because it
says the Saints of the Church of

1376
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:30,600
the Lamb is one group.
The Covenant people of the Lord

1377
01:24:30,700 --> 01:24:33,800
seems to be a separate group
that maybe there's a there's

1378
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:35,500
some overlap but they're
different.

1379
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,600
A has right?
Who were scattered upon all the

1380
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:39,800
face of the Earth and they were
armed with righteousness and

1381
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:41,400
with the power of God and great
Glory.

1382
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:51,600
Now this is interesting because
you know, the we all we want

1383
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:56,400
power now and it seems that this
power is being held that, it's

1384
01:24:56,400 --> 01:25:00,600
not the time yet for God's work
to move forward in power.

1385
01:25:01,100 --> 01:25:05,800
And so I think to me it's like
there's Prophecies of His

1386
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:09,200
heart's failing them, you know,
things getting darker and darker

1387
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:14,000
and I guess I want to just bear
testimony of hope that it's

1388
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:15,700
going to get darker before it
gets lighter.

1389
01:25:15,700 --> 01:25:18,400
It's actually going to probably
get darker than we can even

1390
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:21,600
conceive of right now before it
gets lighter, but we don't need

1391
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:28,400
to lose hope because if we can
be numbered among these, the

1392
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:33,300
Saints of the Lamb, which is not
necessarily affiliation or

1393
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:36,900
membership in it in a church,
Nor any Earthly organization,

1394
01:25:36,900 --> 01:25:40,500
this is, you know, a personal
connection with God.

1395
01:25:40,700 --> 01:25:44,000
If we can be numbered in that
group we will be armed with

1396
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:47,500
righteousness and with the power
of God and great glory and we

1397
01:25:47,500 --> 01:25:51,700
will not be overcome but that
doesn't mean it's going to.

1398
01:25:51,700 --> 01:25:54,200
It's not going to be scary.
Because in verse 15, the wrath

1399
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:55,500
of God was poured out upon the
great.

1400
01:25:55,500 --> 01:25:58,200
An abominable Church wars and
rumors of wars among all the

1401
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:00,900
nations and kindred's of the
earth were approaching that time

1402
01:26:01,300 --> 01:26:03,100
there began to be wars and
rumors of wars.

1403
01:26:03,100 --> 01:26:05,400
The angel says, behold the wrath
of God is upon the mother.

1404
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:07,600
Of harlots, thou.
Seest all these things when the

1405
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:09,900
day cometh, that the wrath of
God is poured out upon the

1406
01:26:09,900 --> 01:26:14,700
mother of harlots.
At that day, the work of the

1407
01:26:14,700 --> 01:26:16,600
father shall commence in
preparing the way for the

1408
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:19,000
fulfilling of his covenants,
which he had made to his people

1409
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:27,000
who are of the House of Israel.
And so basically the The Church

1410
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:32,900
of the devil is going to come
out in open war against Christ

1411
01:26:33,500 --> 01:26:36,400
and we're already seeing the
marshaling of the troops.

1412
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:41,400
Oh absolutely.
And and this it's interesting

1413
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:46,400
could the word commence is kind
of really more like kickoff for?

1414
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:49,900
It's not like keep going.
It's more like a get started.

1415
01:26:49,900 --> 01:26:54,100
Yeah so in other words, the work
of the father Hasn't started

1416
01:26:54,100 --> 01:26:55,700
yet.
Now, what is the difference

1417
01:26:55,700 --> 01:26:57,800
between the work of the father
and the work of the Sun?

1418
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:02,200
And at a general level, I would
say the work of the sun is

1419
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:04,600
Redemptive, it's for the
Salvation of mankind.

1420
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:07,200
The work of the father is
exalting.

1421
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:13,500
It's to create people like him
for Eternal generations and

1422
01:27:13,500 --> 01:27:17,200
eternal lives.
But also the work of the sun is

1423
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:21,800
Mercy, and, and patience and
compassion is it's much more of

1424
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,400
a, I guess you'd say the
feminine aspect of divinity in

1425
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:27,800
most people's perspectives, the
work of the father conveys

1426
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:33,500
judgment.
Right and destruction when

1427
01:27:33,500 --> 01:27:36,800
people are ripe.
And so, that's what it's really

1428
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:38,700
describing is the work of the
father shall commence.

1429
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:41,300
I didn't finish sharing the, the
kind of the vision.

1430
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:46,200
I wanted to get through that as
kind of a context first, this.

1431
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:51,700
So Justin, as we were discussing
it, I thought, well, a tree.

1432
01:27:51,700 --> 01:27:54,700
There's the tree has been used
as a, like, the allegory of the

1433
01:27:54,700 --> 01:27:57,300
Olive Tree.
It could be a metaphor of Israel

1434
01:27:57,300 --> 01:27:59,900
or maybe the church, he's like,
huh?

1435
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:03,800
Well, if it's a metaphor for the
church, what could light the

1436
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:13,100
lightning be And I thought 1890,
yeah, it's severed a branch from

1437
01:28:13,100 --> 01:28:16,800
the tree, the body of the tree
and the branch of

1438
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:21,200
fundamentalism, you know.
And, you know, forgive me in

1439
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:24,500
advance, I don't mean to intent
intend to offend any

1440
01:28:24,500 --> 01:28:27,400
fundamentalist out there, but,
you know, and myself included

1441
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:30,900
and people I know and love but
but like the branch withered

1442
01:28:30,900 --> 01:28:35,800
immediately, And then the rest
of the vision was that the tree

1443
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:39,800
at first, it seemed to be okay.
But there's no fruit.

1444
01:28:40,700 --> 01:28:42,900
It was Barren.
That Branch was Laden with

1445
01:28:42,900 --> 01:28:47,200
fruit, but it, you know, it just
crumbled to dust but the the

1446
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:51,100
tree stayed on and Justin
thought, you know, in his

1447
01:28:51,100 --> 01:28:54,900
experience he thought it was
going to be able to survive but

1448
01:28:54,900 --> 01:28:57,800
it actually was a mortal wound.
It just took a long time for the

1449
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:03,700
tree to die and the tree began
to wither and to die and As the

1450
01:29:03,700 --> 01:29:09,200
last, you know, drop of life was
leaving the tree.

1451
01:29:09,700 --> 01:29:16,200
Justin saw seeds sprout up out
of the ground where the dust of

1452
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:21,600
the branch had fallen.
And you know that at first, he

1453
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:23,900
thought he saw like a like
diverse flowers.

1454
01:29:23,900 --> 01:29:28,000
Like she's just these beautiful
like flowers things, like in in

1455
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,600
the experience, I guess when
it's kind of like maybe

1456
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:32,600
dreaming, you may have some
ability to do.

1457
01:29:32,700 --> 01:29:35,800
Direct he's like well that can't
be because it was a tree and so

1458
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:39,400
then he saw a tree spring up but
his initials what he saw first

1459
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:45,200
was a bunch of wildflowers and
so if this is a true vision and

1460
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:49,000
I'm not making claims here, it's
if this is a true vision and and

1461
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:52,000
you know, the spirit kind of
bears, any kind of witness to

1462
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:54,000
you that there's any truth or
validity to it.

1463
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,700
I believe that the
interpretation is this the

1464
01:29:56,700 --> 01:30:00,400
church was the tree.
The, the fundamental, you know,

1465
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:04,200
the fullness of the Gospel was
the CH the fruitful Branch.

1466
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:06,700
The 8090.
Manifesto severed!

1467
01:30:06,700 --> 01:30:11,200
That Branch from the body of the
tree and fundamentalism pretty

1468
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:15,200
quickly.
Crumbled and and you know, I'm

1469
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:18,100
not saying this disparagingly
because I appreciate the, you

1470
01:30:18,108 --> 01:30:21,800
know, the musters of the
woolies, the folks who have

1471
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:26,800
given so much to try to preserve
the heritage of the, of the

1472
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:30,900
fullness of the Gospel.
But you know, Jeff's would be a

1473
01:30:30,900 --> 01:30:35,400
great manifestation of the
corruption and the the death of

1474
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:37,500
that Branch.
He kind of would be a good

1475
01:30:37,500 --> 01:30:40,600
embodiment of that and
ultimately fundamentalists of

1476
01:30:40,700 --> 01:30:44,000
fundamentalism has gone dark
like They're underground.

1477
01:30:44,300 --> 01:30:48,800
You know, they're very secluded
and isolated and and just keep

1478
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:52,100
their heads down because they
don't want to get popped by the

1479
01:30:52,100 --> 01:30:55,800
feds and persecuted and all that
stuff, but the fruits have been

1480
01:30:55,800 --> 01:31:01,600
lacking and so but I think that
when the tree dies as the tree

1481
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:06,000
is in its death throes, that's
when the fruit the seeds that

1482
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:10,400
have been preserved by these
fundamentalists, the ordinance

1483
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:14,900
is that the church has forgotten
about and has Ended and even in

1484
01:31:14,900 --> 01:31:20,400
some cases, violently opposed
those seeds were preserved and

1485
01:31:20,500 --> 01:31:24,600
the time comes when they sprout
and bring forth fruit.

1486
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:28,000
And and I believe that we're on
that cusp.

1487
01:31:28,100 --> 01:31:30,900
I was just going to say, I think
we're there.

1488
01:31:30,900 --> 01:31:33,800
Yeah, I think we are right there
because what?

1489
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:35,800
What?
Let's let's look at that.

1490
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:39,700
Real.
Let's look at that Vision,

1491
01:31:39,700 --> 01:31:40,800
right?
Yeah, he will.

1492
01:31:40,900 --> 01:31:42,400
And then there's something I
want to read here.

1493
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:47,300
I've done with that.
But let's, let's look at what's

1494
01:31:47,300 --> 01:31:49,200
going on right now in the LDS
church.

1495
01:31:49,300 --> 01:31:52,800
Yeah, I just did the had a
conversation with Ben Shafer,

1496
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:57,000
where I talked about what I saw
personally in the temple,

1497
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:01,400
remodel in the temple remodel,
which remodel it's desecration.

1498
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:02,600
Yeah, I don't know how else to
put it.

1499
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:06,300
And I don't say that haphazardly
because I don't want to offend

1500
01:32:06,300 --> 01:32:09,900
my LDS brothers and sisters but
truth is truth.

1501
01:32:10,100 --> 01:32:13,200
Yeah.
That's desecration totally.

1502
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:18,600
You look at how temples are
coming forward now, right.

1503
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:24,400
They're not designed like they
used to be with all the

1504
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:29,000
symbology built into and the
church is a kind of that kind of

1505
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:31,600
sterile in their cookie cutter.
Yes, there's a church is getting

1506
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:34,600
away from anything that was
uniquely Mormon, right?

1507
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:37,700
And, like I said, we're going to
get to a point unfortunately,

1508
01:32:37,700 --> 01:32:39,900
where I think the LDS church is
going to look like a lot of

1509
01:32:39,900 --> 01:32:45,200
other mainstream Evangelical and
in this, Isn't a knock-on

1510
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:48,000
evangelicalism either?
No, no, it's going to look a lot

1511
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:51,200
like that or any other
Protestant kind, or even or even

1512
01:32:51,208 --> 01:32:54,500
more Progressive than that.
Because a lot of protestant

1513
01:32:54,500 --> 01:32:56,300
folks are saying pump the
brakes.

1514
01:32:56,300 --> 01:32:59,100
We're not come okay with gay
marriage and right now, a lot of

1515
01:32:59,100 --> 01:33:02,300
these clerks in the counties
that the defied the orders of

1516
01:33:02,300 --> 01:33:05,900
the oberg Rafael decision.
Like we're all the Mormons.

1517
01:33:05,900 --> 01:33:10,500
Exactly what we're, why weren't
they conscientiously objecting

1518
01:33:10,500 --> 01:33:15,100
to all of that?
But no, and I also feel like In

1519
01:33:15,100 --> 01:33:17,000
the middle.
I shouldn't say the metal.

1520
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,900
We're at the beginning of a
fundamentalist moment, right?

1521
01:33:19,900 --> 01:33:24,100
Where you have all of these
shows coming out.

1522
01:33:24,100 --> 01:33:28,200
Now a lot of it I feel like I
have to go to Bunk but yeah, but

1523
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:30,000
it's all coming out now, right.
Sure.

1524
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:34,500
So as fundamentalist, we now
have a moment at which we either

1525
01:33:34,500 --> 01:33:38,100
have to start defining our own
story and our own experiences or

1526
01:33:38,100 --> 01:33:39,800
we have to live with what is
given.

1527
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:44,000
And I think some of those
Sprouts or you know, new growth

1528
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:46,200
is coming Coming.
Yeah, I really do.

1529
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:48,900
I feel it in my gut I want to
take you real quick.

1530
01:33:48,900 --> 01:33:53,400
To 3rd Nephi chapter 16 and
starting in verse 10.

1531
01:33:53,500 --> 01:33:54,900
Yep.
Now he's on my list.

1532
01:33:54,900 --> 01:33:57,400
But ya happy to jump stereo.
You're good?

1533
01:33:57,500 --> 01:33:58,500
Are you sure?
Please.

1534
01:33:58,600 --> 01:33:59,800
Okay.
Cause I don't want to derail,

1535
01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:02,700
you know, let's say 10 through
10 through about 16.

1536
01:34:02,900 --> 01:34:05,100
Right?
And this is the Lord actually

1537
01:34:05,100 --> 01:34:07,700
speaking, right?
This is this is the savior

1538
01:34:07,700 --> 01:34:11,100
himself and if you don't mind,
can we incorporate the last

1539
01:34:11,100 --> 01:34:12,700
three or four lines of first
nine?

1540
01:34:12,700 --> 01:34:16,500
Because this ties in again, The
condition of the descendants of

1541
01:34:16,500 --> 01:34:21,200
Lehi cast out from among them
Afflicted, slain.

1542
01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:24,300
Hated, they shall become a hiss,
and a byword among them who

1543
01:34:24,300 --> 01:34:26,200
bear.
Who, who does that better

1544
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:27,600
describe.
Exactly.

1545
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:30,200
Then the natives, yep.
Well, let me just start at verse

1546
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:32,900
9 and I'll just go do sure feel
like we get it cool.

1547
01:34:33,500 --> 01:34:36,300
And because of the mercies of
the father unto the Gentiles,

1548
01:34:36,300 --> 01:34:39,800
and also, the judgments of the
father upon my people who are of

1549
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:41,500
the House of Israel verily,
verily.

1550
01:34:41,500 --> 01:34:45,700
I say unto you.
That after all this And I have

1551
01:34:45,700 --> 01:34:49,100
caused my people who are of the
House of Israel to be smitten

1552
01:34:49,500 --> 01:34:53,000
and to be afflicted, and to be
slain, and to be cast out from

1553
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:57,100
among them and to become hated
by them, to become a hiss, and a

1554
01:34:57,108 --> 01:35:00,700
byword among them.
And thus commanded, the father

1555
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:05,300
that I should say unto you.
Now, he's saying the father's

1556
01:35:05,300 --> 01:35:08,500
telling me I need to tell you
this, right?

1557
01:35:08,500 --> 01:35:12,000
Yeah, this is as if, as if
Christ word alone was not quite

1558
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:14,500
authoritative enough.
The the he's invoking his dad's.

1559
01:35:14,500 --> 01:35:17,600
He's been taking his dad's name,
which he doesn't do very often.

1560
01:35:17,700 --> 01:35:20,500
This is pretty you.
This is, this is pretty unique

1561
01:35:20,500 --> 01:35:23,900
in all of scripture and it
wasn't for the people of that

1562
01:35:23,900 --> 01:35:26,400
time.
Even it was intended to be

1563
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:29,000
recorded for us for us.
Yep.

1564
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:33,800
So, he says, and thus command,
at the father, that I should say

1565
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:37,800
unto you at that day, when the
Gentiles shall sin against my

1566
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:41,300
gospel and shall reject the
fullness of my gospel and shall

1567
01:35:41,300 --> 01:35:44,500
be lifted up in the pride of
their hearts, Above All Nations,

1568
01:35:44,500 --> 01:35:47,600
and above all people of the
whole earth, and shall be filled

1569
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:51,300
with all manners, of wines, and
deceits, and mischief, and all

1570
01:35:51,300 --> 01:35:54,200
manners of hypocrisies, and
murders, and Priests crafts, and

1571
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:56,200
whoredoms, and secret
Abominations.

1572
01:35:56,600 --> 01:36:00,800
And if they shall do all those
things, and shall reject the

1573
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:04,900
fullness of my gospel important,
Reject, the fullness of my

1574
01:36:04,900 --> 01:36:07,200
gospel behold.
Saith the father.

1575
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:11,600
I will bring the fullness of my
gospel from among them and I

1576
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:15,600
will remember my Covenant, which
I have made unto my people o

1577
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:18,300
House of Israel.
I will bring my gospel unto

1578
01:36:18,300 --> 01:36:22,300
them, I will show unto thee o
House of Israel that the

1579
01:36:22,300 --> 01:36:26,200
Gentiles shall not have power
over you, but I will remember my

1580
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:29,900
Covenant unto you, o House of
Israel and ye shall come unto

1581
01:36:29,900 --> 01:36:32,400
the knowledge of the fullness of
my gospel.

1582
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:38,000
Now, he gives an out here for
the Gentiles he says, but if the

1583
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:41,800
Gentiles were will repent and
return unto me, saith the father

1584
01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:45,600
behold.
They shall be numbered among my

1585
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:49,000
people o House of Israel and I
will not suffer.

1586
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:52,300
My people who are of the House
of Israel to go through among

1587
01:36:52,300 --> 01:36:54,800
them, excuse me.
Yeah.

1588
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:57,500
And tread them down and tread
them down, say, if the father,

1589
01:36:57,900 --> 01:37:00,700
but if they will return unto me
and Harkin and they will, my

1590
01:37:00,700 --> 01:37:02,900
office will not turn unto me.
Well, not true.

1591
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:09,200
Me, I lost my place.
Your good 15, but if they will

1592
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:12,300
not return unto me and hearken
unto my voice, I will suffer

1593
01:37:12,300 --> 01:37:15,400
them.
Ye I will suffer my people o

1594
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:18,500
House of Israel that they shall
go through among them and shall

1595
01:37:18,500 --> 01:37:22,500
tread them down and they shall
be cast as salt that have lost

1596
01:37:22,500 --> 01:37:26,900
its fit saver which is
henceforth, good for nothing and

1597
01:37:26,900 --> 01:37:31,200
be cast out and be trodden under
the foot of my people.

1598
01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:35,400
O House of Israel verily verily.
I say unto you thus, and again,

1599
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:38,600
he does this.
I say unto you thus hath, the

1600
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:44,200
father commanded me, that I
should give unto you this onto

1601
01:37:44,200 --> 01:37:47,700
this plane to this people.
This land for their inheritance,

1602
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:51,500
and the words of the prophet
Isaiah shall be fulfilled, which

1603
01:37:51,500 --> 01:37:53,500
saith.
I Watchmen shall lift up the

1604
01:37:53,500 --> 01:37:56,300
voice with the voice together,
shall they?

1605
01:37:56,300 --> 01:37:59,000
Sing.
And they shall see eye-to-eye

1606
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:02,800
when the Lord shall bring.
Again Zion Break Forth.

1607
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:06,700
Into To Joy singing together, ye
waste places of Jerusalem for

1608
01:38:06,700 --> 01:38:08,600
the Lord has comforted his
people.

1609
01:38:08,900 --> 01:38:12,600
He hath redeemed Jerusalem.
The Lord hath made bear his holy

1610
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:16,800
arm in the eyes of all the
nations and all the ends of the

1611
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:19,200
Earth shall see the salvation of
God.

1612
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:21,600
There's a lot there to unpack.
Yeah.

1613
01:38:23,200 --> 01:38:25,800
Let's just start white white, we
already covered it.

1614
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:30,600
Jesus is saying, look, God my
dad told me to tell you, right?

1615
01:38:30,700 --> 01:38:33,800
So that you can write it down.
So that the guys in two thousand

1616
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:35,400
years can read it.
Yeah.

1617
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:39,000
When's the only time the
Gentiles have ever had a

1618
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:45,800
fullness of the Gospel, right?
18:30 on, right?

1619
01:38:45,900 --> 01:38:48,700
So that's the only time they've
had it.

1620
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:53,300
And then the Lord says, they're
going to reject it, they're

1621
01:38:53,300 --> 01:38:57,000
going to reject it, and it's
going to go back to the house of

1622
01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:02,600
Israel now, I'll say this, I
think anybody who has and unless

1623
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:06,200
anybody thinks it's just you
speaking this, let me read this

1624
01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:13,200
Joseph Fielding Smith 1964.
The Earth also is defiled under

1625
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:15,600
the inhabitants thereof because
they have transgressed the laws

1626
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:18,200
change the ordinance, broken,
the Everlasting Covenant.

1627
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:21,200
Are we not too much inclined to
blame the generations that are

1628
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:23,300
passed for breaking the new and
Everlasting Covenant.

1629
01:39:23,300 --> 01:39:25,700
And to think it's because of the
great apostasy which followed

1630
01:39:25,700 --> 01:39:27,700
the ministry of the Apostles and
primitive times that these

1631
01:39:27,700 --> 01:39:29,000
troubles are coming upon the
Earth.

1632
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:32,100
Perhaps, we should wake up to
the realization that it is

1633
01:39:32,100 --> 01:39:34,900
because of the breaking of
covenants, especially the new

1634
01:39:34,900 --> 01:39:38,200
and Everlasting Covenant, which
is the fullness of the Gospel as

1635
01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:41,400
it has been revealed that the
world is to be consumed by fire

1636
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:44,100
and few men left.
Since this punishment is to come

1637
01:39:44,100 --> 01:39:45,800
at the time of the cleansing of
the earth.

1638
01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:49,100
When Christ comes again, should
not Latter-Day Saints.

1639
01:39:49,100 --> 01:39:52,200
Take heed unto themselves.
We have been given the new and

1640
01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:56,300
Everlasting Covenant and many
Among Us have broken it and many

1641
01:39:56,300 --> 01:39:58,900
are now breaking it there for
all who are guilty of this

1642
01:39:58,900 --> 01:40:01,000
offense.
Will Aid in bringing to pass

1643
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:03,600
this destruction in which they
will find themselves swept from

1644
01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:05,700
the Earth when the Great and
Dreadful day of the Lord shall

1645
01:40:05,700 --> 01:40:08,600
come and who was that again?
Joseph Fielding Smith, okay.

1646
01:40:09,500 --> 01:40:13,800
And and we know that Joseph
Fielding Smith Kind of played

1647
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:15,400
both sides here a little bit,
right?

1648
01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:17,700
But yeah, especially when it
came to plural, marriage.

1649
01:40:17,700 --> 01:40:20,100
I mean, it'd be one of those
things that you go ask

1650
01:40:20,300 --> 01:40:24,200
President, Joseph F Smith if you
should engage in plural marriage

1651
01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:26,600
and he'd say well you know what
the manifesto says but if you

1652
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:29,000
can find someone to marry you,
God bless you.

1653
01:40:29,008 --> 01:40:31,200
And I was his dad.
So this is 1964.

1654
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:33,500
So this is the son of Joseph F,
right?

1655
01:40:33,500 --> 01:40:37,400
Yep, the yeah yeah.
So yeah.

1656
01:40:37,500 --> 01:40:40,100
So yeah.
The the Lord says, look at some

1657
01:40:40,100 --> 01:40:42,800
point.
They're going to reject my God.

1658
01:40:43,100 --> 01:40:46,700
Which I think you can point to
1890 and say, yeah, definitely.

1659
01:40:46,700 --> 01:40:48,500
That was that was an inflection
point.

1660
01:40:48,500 --> 01:40:52,600
That was as big of a rejection
is you could probably get or at

1661
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:54,300
least.
I thought until we get further

1662
01:40:54,300 --> 01:40:57,800
down the line here, right?
Sure, and we start seeing things

1663
01:40:57,800 --> 01:41:01,600
like, where they're redefining.
What what?

1664
01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:04,500
You know, let's just take the
Book of Mormon.

1665
01:41:04,500 --> 01:41:07,500
Yeah, now you won't see an
official publication, it says

1666
01:41:07,500 --> 01:41:11,200
Joseph translated the plates.
They say Joseph received the

1667
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:18,000
Book of Mormon by Ation.
So if you understand language

1668
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:24,100
and economy, hmm, and marketing,
Edward Bernays, if you read

1669
01:41:24,100 --> 01:41:29,100
Bernays and you understand
verbage, and dialogue, you

1670
01:41:29,100 --> 01:41:33,100
understand what's happening
here, they are very much shying

1671
01:41:33,100 --> 01:41:36,900
away from these miraculous
things that were distinctly

1672
01:41:36,900 --> 01:41:39,600
Mormon.
Yeah, and they're going to a

1673
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:44,600
more again, Centrist view, if
you will and in doing so.

1674
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:47,700
You're Or rejecting the gospel,
you rejecting the very Bedrock.

1675
01:41:47,800 --> 01:41:50,000
It's the ministry of truth.
Yes, exactly.

1676
01:41:50,200 --> 01:41:53,100
So what what what the Lord is
saying is like look, this is

1677
01:41:53,100 --> 01:41:54,600
going to go to the house of
Israel.

1678
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:57,900
My contention is, is not only is
he talking about the Native

1679
01:41:57,900 --> 01:42:02,300
Americans?
I think anybody who who feels

1680
01:42:02,300 --> 01:42:07,200
pulled back towards the truth in
that fundamentalist, or Orthodox

1681
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:14,200
sense, probably has a large,
Chunk of who they are as Israel,

1682
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:18,200
and they're willing feeling that
pulled back and so the Lord, the

1683
01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:22,300
Lord made it clear.
This is going to happen.

1684
01:42:23,700 --> 01:42:26,800
Absolutely baby.
Maybe since you read that.

1685
01:42:26,900 --> 01:42:30,400
Yeah, there's an interesting
parallel in section 45, okay?

1686
01:42:33,400 --> 01:42:37,300
So 40 section, 45 verse 24 and
will read a few.

1687
01:42:37,900 --> 01:42:40,800
This I have told you concerning
Jerusalem and when that day

1688
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:43,700
shall Shall come shall a Remnant
be scattered among all nations

1689
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:47,000
referring to the same thing like
this is all about end times

1690
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:51,000
prophecies and we're seeing a
recurring theme of the blood of

1691
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:54,700
Israel like the identity of the
the identity of those scattered

1692
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:59,000
whether it's Jews or the seat of
Joseph or whatever, but they

1693
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:04,800
shall be gathered to again, but
they shall remain scattered

1694
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:07,200
until the times of the Gentiles
be fulfilled.

1695
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:10,900
This is verse 25 and in that
Day, 26.

1696
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:13,800
I shall be heard of wars and
rumors of wars and the whole

1697
01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:17,000
Earth shall be in commotion and
men's Hearts shall fail them.

1698
01:43:17,200 --> 01:43:18,700
They shall say that Christ.
Delayeth.

1699
01:43:18,700 --> 01:43:20,100
His coming until the end of the
Earth.

1700
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:25,000
The love of many shall wax cold
and iniquity shall abound.

1701
01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:29,300
And when the times of the
Gentiles has come in a light

1702
01:43:29,300 --> 01:43:32,300
shall Break Forth, among them
that sit in darkness and it

1703
01:43:32,300 --> 01:43:34,200
shall be the fullness of my
gospel.

1704
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:39,000
But they receive it not for,
they perceive not the light, and

1705
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:41,600
they turn their hearts from me
because of the precepts of men

1706
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:44,500
and in that generation shall the
times of the Gentiles, be

1707
01:43:44,500 --> 01:43:48,100
fulfilled.
There shall be men standing in

1708
01:43:48,100 --> 01:43:50,000
that generation.
That shall not pass until they

1709
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:52,300
see an overflowing Scourge for
desolating.

1710
01:43:52,300 --> 01:43:56,600
Sickness shall cover the land,
but my disciples shall stand in

1711
01:43:56,600 --> 01:43:58,700
holy places and shall not be
moved.

1712
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:04,100
So, I mean, there's this
interesting with the, with the

1713
01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:08,800
scourge of desolating sickness.
And yeah, yeah.

1714
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:14,800
And I think spiritually because
Amos talks about a famine not of

1715
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:16,600
not a food and water but of
hearing the word of the Lord.

1716
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:21,500
and I think there's a spiritual
Scourge that even goes beyond

1717
01:44:21,500 --> 01:44:30,300
anything temporal So Baptist
3516 if you will, since we're

1718
01:44:30,300 --> 01:44:33,700
already here.
Yeah, what's interesting is in

1719
01:44:33,700 --> 01:44:38,300
chapters 17 and 18?
It's kind of like a break in the

1720
01:44:38,300 --> 01:44:39,500
message.
Yep.

1721
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:41,700
And 19, and it's a beautiful
break.

1722
01:44:41,700 --> 01:44:44,400
It's like, hey Christ is having
compassion.

1723
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:47,300
I can tell you're at your
capacity, why don't you go home

1724
01:44:47,300 --> 01:44:49,100
and get some rest?
I'll come back tomorrow and

1725
01:44:49,100 --> 01:44:52,700
there and they just, you know,
plead with their eyes, please

1726
01:44:52,700 --> 01:44:55,700
don't leave us and he could
takes compassion and he stays in

1727
01:44:55,700 --> 01:45:00,000
blesses, her kids and stuff but
what gets lost is that he wasn't

1728
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:06,800
done with his message and so if
you if you go to 35 20:10 It

1729
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:12,000
says he said unto them behold.
Now I finished the Commandment

1730
01:45:12,100 --> 01:45:15,200
which the father hath commanded
me concerning this people who

1731
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:16,800
are a remnant of the House of
Israel.

1732
01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:21,700
And so what I would recommend is
read the whole chapter, 35 16

1733
01:45:21,700 --> 01:45:25,500
and then skip straight to 20:10
and keep it going because it's

1734
01:45:25,500 --> 01:45:33,400
the same thing verse 13.
Then shall the remnants which

1735
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:36,000
shall be scattered abroad upon
the face of the Earth, be

1736
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:37,400
gathered.
In from the East and from the

1737
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:39,500
west and from the south and from
the north and they shall be

1738
01:45:39,500 --> 01:45:42,000
brought to the knowledge of the
Lord their God who hath redeemed

1739
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:44,300
them.
And the father hath commanded me

1740
01:45:44,300 --> 01:45:48,000
that I should give unto you
addressing the Nephites and

1741
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:51,600
lamanites this land, the
Americas for your inheritance.

1742
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:55,100
And I say unto you that if the
Gentiles were those coming from

1743
01:45:55,100 --> 01:45:58,500
Europe, do not repent after the
blessing, which they shall

1744
01:45:58,500 --> 01:46:00,300
receive.
After they have scattered my

1745
01:46:00,300 --> 01:46:03,000
people.
In other words, the church,

1746
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:06,100
right?
Then shall ye who are a remnant

1747
01:46:06,100 --> 01:46:09,200
of the Of Jacob go forth among
them and you shall be in the

1748
01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:13,000
midst of them who shall be many.
He shall be among them as a lion

1749
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:15,400
among the beasts of the forest.
And as a Young Lion among the

1750
01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:18,400
flocks of sheep, who, if he go
through both tread of down and

1751
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:20,600
tear thin pieces and none can
deliver.

1752
01:46:22,400 --> 01:46:26,600
Now, let's take a second and
appreciate how absurd this

1753
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:31,300
appears right now.
Can you imagine the folks on the

1754
01:46:31,300 --> 01:46:35,700
reservations?
Destroying the American Military

1755
01:46:36,900 --> 01:46:42,900
or anything like, they are not
in any position to be prepared

1756
01:46:42,900 --> 01:46:47,200
or capable of doing that.
And yet, it's prophesied and

1757
01:46:49,100 --> 01:46:53,100
It's interesting that it's
talking about like in and we'll

1758
01:46:53,100 --> 01:46:55,200
go back to second if I here in a
minute but it talks about the

1759
01:46:55,200 --> 01:46:58,800
destruction of the wicked by the
wicked but after the destruction

1760
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:01,200
of the wicked by the Wicked, the
rest of the wicked get destroyed

1761
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:04,200
by Israel.
And that's what this is

1762
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:07,200
referring to, I believe.
But that's that's only if you

1763
01:47:07,200 --> 01:47:13,200
take an exclusive View that,
that it's only the Native

1764
01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:16,200
Americans, right?
I mean, there could be eat for

1765
01:47:16,200 --> 01:47:18,800
might smell.
So anybody any Gentiles who

1766
01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:22,400
become numbered among Israel are
included in this right through?

1767
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:24,400
Okay, so yeah, 100%.
Okay.

1768
01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:26,800
It's not, it's not racial lines,
okay?

1769
01:47:26,900 --> 01:47:34,600
But it is certainly, it's, it's
their land and we become errors

1770
01:47:34,700 --> 01:47:37,700
and partakers of those promises
not it's a hey, it's our land

1771
01:47:37,700 --> 01:47:41,000
and we're going to die in to
give the Native Americans.

1772
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:42,100
A piece of it.
Right?

1773
01:47:42,300 --> 01:47:45,200
That's, that's that's kind of
the paradigm shift that I, that,

1774
01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:47,300
I okay.
But he'll, that makes have seen

1775
01:47:47,400 --> 01:47:50,500
and what I'm kind of trying very
badly.

1776
01:47:50,500 --> 01:47:52,300
No, no, they convey hell.
You're doing good.

1777
01:47:52,300 --> 01:47:54,300
I was just, I was just curious
are with that.

1778
01:47:54,300 --> 01:47:59,600
Yeah.
So this people will, I establish

1779
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:03,000
in this land and verse 22?
So, it's again, just very

1780
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:07,900
repetitive in section, in verse
27, in thy seed, shall all the

1781
01:48:07,900 --> 01:48:11,700
kings of the earth be blessed.
So the, the Heirs of Abraham,

1782
01:48:11,700 --> 01:48:15,500
even if they're not, descendants
of Lehi, we all have opportunity

1783
01:48:15,500 --> 01:48:18,400
to inherit that the blessings of
Abraham which are really this

1784
01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:20,100
kind of the same as the
blessings of Lehigh.

1785
01:48:20,100 --> 01:48:22,300
It's just Lehigh got this land,
right?

1786
01:48:22,300 --> 01:48:24,700
And that's the difference, you
know, Abraham got the holy land

1787
01:48:24,700 --> 01:48:29,100
on the other side of the pond
and then the through, through me

1788
01:48:29,100 --> 01:48:32,200
upon the Gentiles which may
which blessing upon the Gentiles

1789
01:48:32,200 --> 01:48:35,300
shall make them Mighty above all
unto the scattering of my people

1790
01:48:35,300 --> 01:48:37,600
house of Israel.
They shall be a Scourge in the

1791
01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:40,200
people of this land, when they
shall have received the full,

1792
01:48:40,300 --> 01:48:43,100
Illness of my gospel.
Then if they shall Harden their

1793
01:48:43,100 --> 01:48:45,900
hearts against me, I will return
their iniquities upon their own

1794
01:48:45,900 --> 01:48:48,100
head.
Say the father, I mean, it's not

1795
01:48:48,100 --> 01:48:50,500
looking good for the Gentiles.
The Gentiles are going to get

1796
01:48:50,500 --> 01:48:53,100
destroyed.
The only real like hope of

1797
01:48:53,100 --> 01:48:56,600
escape from these judgments is
if we repent and become numbered

1798
01:48:56,600 --> 01:48:59,500
among Israel, and I used to kind
of take for granted.

1799
01:48:59,500 --> 01:49:02,800
Well, I've been baptized You
know, I got a patriarchal

1800
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:05,600
blessing.
It said, Ephraim right?

1801
01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:09,600
Am I numbered among Israel?
I presumed I was and then it

1802
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:14,000
became, you know, I was in the
temple years back for after I

1803
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:17,300
got married and and I was
receiving an initiatory proxy

1804
01:49:17,300 --> 01:49:21,000
ordinance.
And it occurred to me, hold on a

1805
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:23,500
second just because you go
through the temple, doesn't mean

1806
01:49:23,500 --> 01:49:27,800
you have discernment or strength
or all of these blessings.

1807
01:49:27,800 --> 01:49:30,100
These amazing wonderful
blessings that you're given.

1808
01:49:31,700 --> 01:49:37,100
And so I realized that really
those are more like callings

1809
01:49:37,700 --> 01:49:40,100
many are called few are chosen.
Yeah.

1810
01:49:40,300 --> 01:49:44,800
And so we've been called to
obtain the gift of discernment.

1811
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:48,400
We've been called to build
strength in our arms to protect

1812
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:51,500
truth and virtue and innocence
and all that, like we've been

1813
01:49:51,500 --> 01:49:54,300
called anybody who's been
endowed.

1814
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:57,300
Even the even the current
version of the LDS endowment.

1815
01:49:57,600 --> 01:50:00,700
Those are still pronounced those
blessings.

1816
01:50:01,500 --> 01:50:04,400
And but, you know, section 130
talks about you can't obtain a

1817
01:50:04,407 --> 01:50:06,900
blessing if you're not biting
the law upon which it's

1818
01:50:06,900 --> 01:50:09,600
predicated.
And so really at, you know, then

1819
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:13,100
this is like 12 13 years ago, I
had the spirit just really

1820
01:50:13,100 --> 01:50:16,700
powerfully gave me this
prompting of 0.

1821
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:21,100
So this is not passive, this is
very active, it's not like I go

1822
01:50:21,100 --> 01:50:22,900
to the temple and I get these
nice blessings.

1823
01:50:22,900 --> 01:50:25,400
And hey, now I can't be deceived
because I was blessed with

1824
01:50:25,400 --> 01:50:29,700
discernment and I mean, that's a
really a very immature

1825
01:50:29,700 --> 01:50:32,500
perspective and So the spirit
taught me.

1826
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:35,600
No, the lesson here is you've
been called to discern.

1827
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:40,000
So why don't you go learn the
the laws upon which that

1828
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:45,700
blessing is predicated obey them
so that you can rise up and and

1829
01:50:45,700 --> 01:50:48,700
receive these blessings in
similar fashion to that like

1830
01:50:48,700 --> 01:50:53,300
these the promises of the
Gentiles are destruction.

1831
01:50:53,500 --> 01:50:58,700
Yeah.
And but it's not but it God is

1832
01:50:58,708 --> 01:51:00,700
no respecter of person.
Does not like it's a racial

1833
01:51:00,700 --> 01:51:05,400
thing or Anything he's saying,
repent, become numbered among

1834
01:51:05,400 --> 01:51:07,100
Israel.
And at what point do we become

1835
01:51:07,100 --> 01:51:09,900
numbered among Israel?
Well, when we do the work, when

1836
01:51:09,900 --> 01:51:12,200
we do, yeah.
When we do the works of Israel,

1837
01:51:12,200 --> 01:51:14,000
which is the fullness of the
Gospel.

1838
01:51:14,100 --> 01:51:15,200
Yeah.
Absolutely.

1839
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:18,200
Absolutely.
It's always been amazing to me

1840
01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:22,500
that the Lord in order to
preserve the truth.

1841
01:51:23,400 --> 01:51:28,700
He never just only instills it
within a massive organization

1842
01:51:29,800 --> 01:51:32,800
hehe funnels it back down.
One of the things that I love

1843
01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:35,000
and I'm just going to use this
as an illustration.

1844
01:51:35,100 --> 01:51:36,600
Yeah.
Is in 3rd.

1845
01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:39,700
Nephi chapter 17.
Again, this is this verse 1.

1846
01:51:39,700 --> 01:51:41,900
This is again right?
When the Savior.

1847
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:44,300
Yep is perceiving.
Hey, they're tired.

1848
01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:47,800
And then you go, you know, then
they we you know weep and bathe

1849
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:52,100
his feet and tears and he stays
in blood heals the sick.

1850
01:51:52,100 --> 01:51:55,500
But what I find interesting and
this caught my attention about a

1851
01:51:55,500 --> 01:51:58,600
decade ago and it starts out in
verse 1 behold.

1852
01:51:58,600 --> 01:52:01,700
Now it came to pass that when
Jesus had spoken these words He

1853
01:52:01,700 --> 01:52:04,400
looked around about again on the
multitude and he said unto them

1854
01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:06,600
behold.
My time is at hand, I perceived

1855
01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:09,000
that year a week that you can
understand all my words, which I

1856
01:52:09,008 --> 01:52:11,700
am commanded to the father
speaking to you at this time,

1857
01:52:11,700 --> 01:52:14,900
therefore, go D to your homes
and Ponder upon the things which

1858
01:52:14,900 --> 01:52:18,000
I have said and ask the father,
in my name, that you may

1859
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:20,400
understand and prepare your
minds for the morrow when I come

1860
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:22,800
again.
The interesting point that I

1861
01:52:22,808 --> 01:52:27,400
want to make there.
Is this and then then I'll drive

1862
01:52:27,400 --> 01:52:31,000
home the point here where he
tell him to go to ponder on

1863
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:35,900
those things home, what happened
right before this, the

1864
01:52:35,900 --> 01:52:38,500
destruction of the Neath.
I mean, most of those people

1865
01:52:38,500 --> 01:52:42,100
don't have a home to go back to.
Yeah, they're already at the

1866
01:52:42,100 --> 01:52:43,100
temple.
Sure.

1867
01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:45,300
They've already seen the safety
of the spirit.

1868
01:52:45,300 --> 01:52:47,600
Must be overwhelmingly strong
right there.

1869
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:52,300
And he says now, disperse
disperse and go Ponder on these

1870
01:52:52,300 --> 01:52:55,600
things.
Heat with the savior's doing is

1871
01:52:55,600 --> 01:52:58,700
he's instilling.
The gospel in families and

1872
01:52:58,700 --> 01:53:01,100
individuals.
Right.

1873
01:53:01,100 --> 01:53:04,400
And we can see that he takes a
similar approach when he's

1874
01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:08,800
trying to preserve the gospel
later when he talks in Thor,

1875
01:53:08,800 --> 01:53:12,500
previous and 3rd Nephi because
it's going to individuals at

1876
01:53:12,508 --> 01:53:16,400
that point and right, it's going
to smaller groups.

1877
01:53:16,600 --> 01:53:18,900
Yeah, families.
And that sort of said

1878
01:53:18,900 --> 01:53:23,300
patriarchal order rather than
exactly and so and so he there's

1879
01:53:23,300 --> 01:53:25,400
no salvation in corporations or
collectivism.

1880
01:53:25,500 --> 01:53:27,700
Exactly.
And so he's very much in

1881
01:53:27,700 --> 01:53:30,400
stealing these things within
individuals.

1882
01:53:30,500 --> 01:53:33,100
A small groups and families to
preserve them because he

1883
01:53:33,100 --> 01:53:37,200
understands that these
structures are going to fail.

1884
01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:44,300
Yeah.
So you know there's actually one

1885
01:53:44,300 --> 01:53:47,200
more quote maybe on that note
that all quickly share.

1886
01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:49,800
So this is from a five
derailing.

1887
01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:51,100
You I own.
Oh you're good.

1888
01:53:51,100 --> 01:53:55,000
It's just, you know.
You got to go by what goes so

1889
01:53:55,300 --> 01:53:57,800
history.
Seems to show that the powers of

1890
01:53:57,800 --> 01:54:01,100
evil have won their greatest
triumphs by capturing the

1891
01:54:01,100 --> 01:54:03,600
organizations which were formed
to defeat them.

1892
01:54:04,600 --> 01:54:07,400
And that when the devil has thus
changed the contents of the

1893
01:54:07,400 --> 01:54:09,700
bottles.
Never Alters the labels.

1894
01:54:10,200 --> 01:54:13,500
The fort may have been captured
by the enemy but it still flies

1895
01:54:13,500 --> 01:54:17,700
the flag of its Defenders.
Wow, Admiral been more real

1896
01:54:18,200 --> 01:54:23,100
1963.
So so yeah, that's there are a

1897
01:54:23,100 --> 01:54:28,700
lot of principles here but you
know I love the focus on the

1898
01:54:28,700 --> 01:54:31,600
individual.
The Book of Mormon is so full of

1899
01:54:31,600 --> 01:54:33,300
like God is no respecter of
persons.

1900
01:54:33,300 --> 01:54:37,100
All may come unto him, black
white Bond, free male female and

1901
01:54:37,400 --> 01:54:40,200
he that is righteous is favored
of God.

1902
01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:44,100
So we have this individual
opportunity, which is kind of

1903
01:54:44,500 --> 01:54:47,400
might be unique because, you
know, you read about some of the

1904
01:54:47,400 --> 01:54:50,100
Old Testament times and it
appears that there was more,

1905
01:54:50,100 --> 01:54:52,800
maybe some racial segregation
Zoar, certain blessings that

1906
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:56,800
were deprived, this group and,
and Hopper offered to a

1907
01:54:56,800 --> 01:55:00,800
different group and so like you
it was more of a lineage type of

1908
01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:05,800
a basis, but but I think that
Christ's Ministry and Abraham.

1909
01:55:05,800 --> 01:55:10,300
I think began the process of
unlocking, the ability for

1910
01:55:10,300 --> 01:55:14,700
anybody regardless of background
or race, or anything who desired

1911
01:55:14,700 --> 01:55:17,900
and was willing to put to put in
the work and make the sacrifice,

1912
01:55:17,900 --> 01:55:20,900
make those spiritual payments
could obtain these same

1913
01:55:20,900 --> 01:55:28,300
blessings that anybody had.
And so I think that we have we

1914
01:55:28,300 --> 01:55:32,000
need to that's a maybe one of
those other relics of

1915
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:36,300
fundamentalism these traditions
of, you know, any kind of racial

1916
01:55:37,700 --> 01:55:42,700
segregation sore discriminations
like you know just because just

1917
01:55:42,700 --> 01:55:44,600
because of dudes, why it doesn't
mean you should ordained into

1918
01:55:44,600 --> 01:55:46,300
priesthood or given more in its
right?

1919
01:55:46,300 --> 01:55:48,600
He needs to bring forth fruits
meet for repentance and all I

1920
01:55:48,600 --> 01:55:50,000
managed to needs to be by
Revelation.

1921
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:51,900
It's it's not my priesthood,
it's God's anyway.

1922
01:55:51,900 --> 01:55:54,700
So if I'm doing something in his
name, maybe I should check.

1923
01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:57,400
Check in with God first few
know, regardless of the race of

1924
01:55:57,400 --> 01:56:02,700
the person and again if it's a
black person which is kind of a,

1925
01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:06,600
you know, thing in my hand, a
lot of fundamentalism, you know,

1926
01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:10,000
maybe it should be more like,
hey God, this is your

1927
01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:11,800
priesthood.
This is your child, your son, or

1928
01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:15,000
your daughter, or whatever.
What you want me to do, right?

1929
01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:17,800
I'll do it.
And and so if we can just have

1930
01:56:17,800 --> 01:56:20,500
that connection to have that
Revelation, that's really the

1931
01:56:20,500 --> 01:56:23,500
message of the restoration.
I don't think that that's, I

1932
01:56:23,500 --> 01:56:27,400
don't think that's something
that That even most groups

1933
01:56:27,400 --> 01:56:31,300
necessarily would shy away from.
I mean, I know that, you know, I

1934
01:56:31,300 --> 01:56:35,500
know there's some but, but
there's there's a couple I can

1935
01:56:35,500 --> 01:56:38,800
think of off the top of my head,
who would be like, yeah, we pray

1936
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:40,000
about that.
Absolutely.

1937
01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:42,100
We pray about that on an
individual basis.

1938
01:56:44,700 --> 01:56:48,500
I also know certain people
certain groups and certain

1939
01:56:48,500 --> 01:56:52,100
people are the exact opposite.
So yeah I mean I was just going

1940
01:56:52,100 --> 01:56:56,200
to agree that I also know folks.
I myself included that would

1941
01:56:56,200 --> 01:56:58,000
have that perspective and have
that feeling.

1942
01:56:58,400 --> 01:57:03,800
But institutionally speaking.
Yes, fundamentalist groups are.

1943
01:57:05,300 --> 01:57:10,700
That's the 1978 ban or Manifesto
was a big deal.

1944
01:57:10,900 --> 01:57:12,100
It was a big deal.
Yeah.

1945
01:57:12,100 --> 01:57:16,500
And they, they Perceive that as
the church, abandoning the the

1946
01:57:16,500 --> 01:57:17,900
gospel.
Yep.

1947
01:57:18,200 --> 01:57:21,500
And so they're clinging with all
their might to the priesthood

1948
01:57:21,500 --> 01:57:24,000
ban.
And I'm just saying, you know,

1949
01:57:25,800 --> 01:57:30,900
Maybe the band, had a purpose,
maybe whatever.

1950
01:57:31,100 --> 01:57:34,100
But let's look like, we can't
change, what's happened anyway,

1951
01:57:34,100 --> 01:57:36,100
that's all past this water,
under the bridge.

1952
01:57:36,200 --> 01:57:39,900
Let's talk about today, 2023.
We're in.

1953
01:57:39,900 --> 01:57:45,100
Now, what is God's will right
now and more particularly on a

1954
01:57:45,100 --> 01:57:48,100
personal level, what is God's
will for me as a priesthood

1955
01:57:48,100 --> 01:57:52,700
holder right now and if I had a,
you know, individual black or

1956
01:57:52,700 --> 01:57:57,700
white slaver, free or you know,
man, Won't it approached me and

1957
01:57:57,700 --> 01:58:03,100
request an ordinance.
We need personal current

1958
01:58:03,100 --> 01:58:05,400
revelation.
We can't just cling to

1959
01:58:05,400 --> 01:58:07,600
Traditions, or the way things
are done.

1960
01:58:07,600 --> 01:58:11,300
Or who said what, no, we need
Revelation on all those things

1961
01:58:11,300 --> 01:58:14,000
and it needs to be a
case-by-case basis.

1962
01:58:14,100 --> 01:58:18,500
Exactly right.
Go go case-by-case.

1963
01:58:18,700 --> 01:58:21,600
Pray about it and find out seek
God in this, right?

1964
01:58:21,600 --> 01:58:25,000
That's not your priesthood.
You're passing along or not

1965
01:58:25,000 --> 01:58:26,900
pass.
Along that is the Lord's

1966
01:58:26,900 --> 01:58:29,700
priesthood oil and what does it
mean to magnify the priesthood,

1967
01:58:29,700 --> 01:58:33,400
right?
Does that not mean make it

1968
01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:36,300
bigger?
Yep, as in ordained others.

1969
01:58:36,700 --> 01:58:37,900
Right?
Right.

1970
01:58:37,900 --> 01:58:40,600
Yeah.
I think I think the key there is

1971
01:58:40,600 --> 01:58:44,300
revelation exactly right.
And that's that's one thing you

1972
01:58:44,300 --> 01:58:48,500
can say is is kind of missing
from the LDS church a little bit

1973
01:58:48,500 --> 01:58:50,700
right now.
Yeah, that's a program.

1974
01:58:50,700 --> 01:58:51,300
Yeah.
Right.

1975
01:58:51,300 --> 01:58:54,900
You turn 12 or 11 and in oral
you're here.

1976
01:58:55,000 --> 01:58:56,700
It's the January 1st of the
year.

1977
01:58:56,700 --> 01:59:00,000
You're going to turn 12.
Yeah, so we've taken it out of

1978
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:02,900
the realm of.
Hey, this is Revelation and we

1979
01:59:02,900 --> 01:59:05,100
put it into this realm of a
program.

1980
01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:07,400
Yeah, right.
And and I think both sides have

1981
01:59:07,400 --> 01:59:10,400
done it under melisande and the
LDS church.

1982
01:59:10,400 --> 01:59:15,500
So I think on some level we have
to get back down to a personal

1983
01:59:15,500 --> 01:59:17,400
level because that's where the
Lord deals with us anyway.

1984
01:59:17,500 --> 01:59:21,600
And I also think it's important
to say, you know, please don't

1985
01:59:21,600 --> 01:59:25,700
take this to think that I'm, you
know, the mote in fundamentalist

1986
01:59:25,700 --> 01:59:29,700
sighs this.
I'm speaking to myself as well.

1987
01:59:29,800 --> 01:59:32,700
I'm including us in this
conversation None of, you know,

1988
01:59:32,700 --> 01:59:35,500
we don't want to just get this
perspective of being critical

1989
01:59:35,600 --> 01:59:38,300
for the sake of you know over
there if they're an organization

1990
01:59:38,300 --> 01:59:40,900
and I don't like this or that
they do and think that we are

1991
01:59:40,900 --> 01:59:45,200
justified in having those that,
you know, we need to be humble.

1992
01:59:45,600 --> 01:59:48,800
We need to approach this with
that full, humility of like

1993
01:59:48,800 --> 01:59:51,500
Joseph Smith did of I really
don't know.

1994
01:59:51,700 --> 01:59:54,200
I need to I need some help.
God please.

1995
01:59:54,900 --> 01:59:56,600
Yep.
Show me the way you do some

1996
01:59:56,600 --> 02:00:02,400
Revelation here and you know and
I think that the You know, in

1997
02:00:02,400 --> 02:00:05,200
ether chapter 8, maybe it's
worth reading a few verses here

1998
02:00:05,200 --> 02:00:11,200
real quick because this kind of
again all Accords with end time

1999
02:00:11,200 --> 02:00:16,100
prophecy talking about.
So this is Moroni, inserting

2000
02:00:16,100 --> 02:00:20,900
some commentary on the record of
the Jerry B and he kind of

2001
02:00:20,907 --> 02:00:24,300
breaks the fourth wall and
addresses, the reader directly.

2002
02:00:24,700 --> 02:00:27,400
And so because he's like, yeah,
they did a bunch of secret

2003
02:00:27,400 --> 02:00:30,400
combinations and they're evil
and wicked, and it overthrew

2004
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:36,300
their nation and All this stuff,
but it's not an isolated thing.

2005
02:00:37,100 --> 02:00:40,500
Verse 22, whatsoever Nation
shall uphold such secret

2006
02:00:40,500 --> 02:00:43,200
combinations to get power and
gain until they shall spread

2007
02:00:43,200 --> 02:00:45,400
over the nation.
Behold, they shall be destroyed

2008
02:00:46,600 --> 02:00:48,900
verse 23.
Again, directly addressing the

2009
02:00:48,900 --> 02:00:51,800
readers.
Wherefore, O, ye Gentiles, it is

2010
02:00:51,800 --> 02:00:54,400
wisdom and God that these things
should be shown unto you that

2011
02:00:54,400 --> 02:00:56,700
there by, ye may repent of your
sins and suffer.

2012
02:00:56,700 --> 02:00:59,200
Not that these murders
combination is, shall get above

2013
02:00:59,200 --> 02:01:02,800
you, which are built up to get
power and gain and the work.

2014
02:01:02,900 --> 02:01:05,100
They even the work of
Destruction come upon you.

2015
02:01:05,100 --> 02:01:06,600
Yeah.
Even the sort of the Justice of

2016
02:01:06,600 --> 02:01:09,500
the Eternal God shall fall upon
you to your overthrow and

2017
02:01:09,500 --> 02:01:12,000
destruction, if he shall suffer.
These things to be wherefore,

2018
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:15,800
the Lord commandeth you when ye
shall see these things come

2019
02:01:15,800 --> 02:01:19,600
among you that ye shall awake to
a sense of your awful situation

2020
02:01:19,600 --> 02:01:21,700
because of this secret
combination, which shall be

2021
02:01:21,700 --> 02:01:24,700
among you or woe be unto it
because of the blood of them who

2022
02:01:24,700 --> 02:01:28,000
have been slain for, they cry
from the Dust for vengeance upon

2023
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:29,700
it and also upon those who built
it up.

2024
02:01:30,900 --> 02:01:34,200
It's cometh to pass that who so
Bill doth it up seeketh to

2025
02:01:34,200 --> 02:01:37,000
overthrow the freedom of all
lands Nations and countries and

2026
02:01:37,000 --> 02:01:39,900
it brings us to pass the
destruction of all people for

2027
02:01:39,900 --> 02:01:42,400
it, is built up by the devil.
Who's the father of all lies?

2028
02:01:43,600 --> 02:01:46,900
Wherefore I maronna and
commanded to write these things.

2029
02:01:47,100 --> 02:01:49,700
That evil may be done away and
that the time may come that

2030
02:01:49,700 --> 02:01:52,300
Satan may have no power upon the
hearts of the children of men,

2031
02:01:52,300 --> 02:01:56,200
but that they may be persuaded
to do good continually, that

2032
02:01:56,200 --> 02:01:57,900
they may come out of the
Fountain of all righteousness,

2033
02:01:57,900 --> 02:02:02,100
and be saved.
So the awful situation, we look

2034
02:02:02,100 --> 02:02:05,600
at the condition of our country.
We look at the condition of the

2035
02:02:05,800 --> 02:02:07,900
church.
We look at these things and it

2036
02:02:07,900 --> 02:02:12,700
could be tempting to lose heart.
The message of the Book of

2037
02:02:12,700 --> 02:02:15,100
Mormon is overwhelmingly one of
Hope.

2038
02:02:15,600 --> 02:02:20,300
Now it's warning like you better
repent, or your will be

2039
02:02:20,300 --> 02:02:24,500
destroyed, but you can escape
that you can repent.

2040
02:02:24,600 --> 02:02:25,700
You can be numbered among
Israel.

2041
02:02:25,700 --> 02:02:28,800
You can awaken to a sense of
your awful situation.

2042
02:02:29,800 --> 02:02:37,500
You can you can be preserved.
So he we can jump back over to

2043
02:02:37,500 --> 02:02:41,800
Second Nephi.
Absolutely, so second if I is

2044
02:02:41,800 --> 02:02:46,100
fascinating, second if I Chapter
3, maybe we can talk about that

2045
02:02:46,500 --> 02:02:51,000
for just a second.
It talks about the Messiah it.

2046
02:02:51,008 --> 02:02:54,600
So OK, chapter three is a little
confusing because it's neat,

2047
02:02:54,700 --> 02:02:57,000
it's Lehigh talking to his
youngest, son.

2048
02:02:57,000 --> 02:03:01,400
Joseph, quoting his
great-grandfather Joseph in

2049
02:03:01,400 --> 02:03:05,900
Egypt, prophecies.
About their posterity, right?

2050
02:03:05,900 --> 02:03:10,200
And and Lehi, it's interesting
in verse 3, he says thy seed,

2051
02:03:10,200 --> 02:03:13,500
the seed of Joseph shall not
utterly be destroyed.

2052
02:03:14,600 --> 02:03:17,600
So in other words, there's going
to be a mixture of the seed of

2053
02:03:17,600 --> 02:03:20,800
Joseph who are traditionally,
like we would affiliate them

2054
02:03:20,800 --> 02:03:23,900
with the Nephites but they must
have intermarried or something

2055
02:03:23,900 --> 02:03:26,900
or whatever.
But their seed will be preserved

2056
02:03:27,500 --> 02:03:30,200
and be part of the Native
American population and then he

2057
02:03:30,200 --> 02:03:34,300
starts talking about a Seer.
And the thing is this Seer.

2058
02:03:36,400 --> 02:03:40,300
I believe there's there's some
Duality to this prophecy because

2059
02:03:40,300 --> 02:03:43,900
clearly Joseph Smith was a Seer
and clearly Joseph Smith.

2060
02:03:45,100 --> 02:03:49,800
Translated the writings of the
fruit of the lanes of Joseph.

2061
02:03:49,800 --> 02:03:52,100
In verse 12, it talks about the
fruit of the land of Judah shall

2062
02:03:52,100 --> 02:03:53,700
write the fruit of my loins of
Joseph shall right?

2063
02:03:53,700 --> 02:03:55,700
They'll come together and
confound false doctrines and lay

2064
02:03:55,700 --> 02:03:57,200
down contentions, all that
stuff.

2065
02:03:57,600 --> 02:04:01,700
That was partially at least
fulfilled by Joseph Smith.

2066
02:04:02,500 --> 02:04:04,600
If well, I mean fully he
translated it.

2067
02:04:04,600 --> 02:04:09,900
We have that record but what's
interesting here In backing up

2068
02:04:09,900 --> 02:04:15,600
to verse 5, that the last 5
lines to the, the Messiah should

2069
02:04:15,600 --> 02:04:19,200
be made manifest unto them.
The seat of Joseph in the latter

2070
02:04:19,200 --> 02:04:21,600
days, in the spirit of power,
under the bringing of them out

2071
02:04:21,600 --> 02:04:24,500
of Darkness into light.
Yeah, out of hidden darkness and

2072
02:04:24,500 --> 02:04:30,900
out of captivity into freedom
and skipping down to verse 11, a

2073
02:04:30,900 --> 02:04:35,400
Seer will I raise up out of the
fruit of thy loins and then to

2074
02:04:35,400 --> 02:04:38,200
him, will I give power to bring
forth my word under the seat.

2075
02:04:38,400 --> 02:04:41,500
Violence and not to the bringing
forth of my word, only saith the

2076
02:04:41,508 --> 02:04:44,900
Lord, but to the convincing them
of my word which I'll have

2077
02:04:44,900 --> 02:04:49,900
already gone forth among them.
So this I think has a duality of

2078
02:04:49,900 --> 02:04:52,800
Prophecy.
It has the the my word that has

2079
02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:55,300
already gone forth among them is
probably the Bible.

2080
02:04:55,400 --> 02:05:00,000
Like the rewards of Judah, there
were certain Gentiles who love

2081
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:02,500
the Bible.
They were just converted to

2082
02:05:02,500 --> 02:05:07,500
Christ Through the Bible and
then but they The Book of Mormon

2083
02:05:08,500 --> 02:05:15,200
was a tool to convince them in
full and to help them receive

2084
02:05:15,200 --> 02:05:17,800
the fullness of the ordinances.
The The the fullness of the

2085
02:05:17,800 --> 02:05:24,000
right, so and anyway, hit in
verse 16.

2086
02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:28,500
He's promised that his see will
be preserved forever, and, you

2087
02:05:28,500 --> 02:05:30,900
know, but then so.
So here's the the very

2088
02:05:30,900 --> 02:05:35,600
interesting thing, the reason I
think that this is probably duel

2089
02:05:36,600 --> 02:05:39,700
is because Joseph was didn't
have Native American blood,

2090
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:44,500
right?
And in verse 23 to Lehigh

2091
02:05:44,700 --> 02:05:48,000
changes to directly Addressing
his son.

2092
02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:51,500
Joseph, he says, Now, Behold my
son Joseph after this manner,

2093
02:05:51,500 --> 02:05:55,200
did my father of old Joseph of
Egypt prophecy where for because

2094
02:05:55,200 --> 02:05:58,700
of this Covenant, that word
blessed for thy seed shall not

2095
02:05:58,700 --> 02:06:00,800
be destroyed for, they shall
hearken unto the words of the

2096
02:06:00,800 --> 02:06:05,300
book and there shall rise up one
Mighty among them who shall do

2097
02:06:05,300 --> 02:06:08,100
much good both in word and In
Deed being an instrument in the

2098
02:06:08,108 --> 02:06:12,100
hands of God with exceeding
Faith to work Mighty wonders and

2099
02:06:12,100 --> 02:06:14,200
do that thing, which is great in
the sight of God, unto the

2100
02:06:14,200 --> 02:06:16,400
bringing to pass much
restoration into the house of

2101
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:18,500
Israel and and unto the seat of
thy Brethren.

2102
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:24,100
So I believe that there are some
Duality here that is yet to be

2103
02:06:24,100 --> 02:06:27,100
fulfilled.
And that there will be a Seer

2104
02:06:27,300 --> 02:06:31,800
who, is added a native of Native
American, blood lineage.

2105
02:06:32,500 --> 02:06:38,900
So that's again.
Just Not necessarily I not

2106
02:06:38,900 --> 02:06:42,900
making claims here are but it's
just know that I what I believe

2107
02:06:42,900 --> 02:06:47,800
because yeah and in fact not to
name drop her here.

2108
02:06:47,800 --> 02:06:51,400
Any and and you know overhung
gilliardi I have a great respect

2109
02:06:51,400 --> 02:06:55,500
for all wrong and he actually
said there was two Joe's to

2110
02:06:55,500 --> 02:06:58,400
Sears.
Hmm, for to hand in second e,

2111
02:06:58,400 --> 02:07:01,000
Phi chapter 3 as well, isn't it
interesting that we read these

2112
02:07:01,000 --> 02:07:05,500
things like until I really
became a fundamentalist sick,

2113
02:07:05,500 --> 02:07:08,000
third.
If I 16 never jumped out at me.

2114
02:07:08,100 --> 02:07:10,300
Yeah, I never saw.
Yeah, right.

2115
02:07:10,400 --> 02:07:12,100
I must have read it a thousand
times.

2116
02:07:12,100 --> 02:07:16,400
It was highlighted in both
copies of my scriptures and I

2117
02:07:16,400 --> 02:07:19,500
never caught on to it that this
this looks like it may be one of

2118
02:07:19,500 --> 02:07:21,900
those, those same things.
Yeah.

2119
02:07:22,200 --> 02:07:25,500
So now let's go to the Isaiah
chapters.

2120
02:07:26,200 --> 02:07:28,200
We're going to just kind of
touch some highlights at.

2121
02:07:28,200 --> 02:07:30,400
I'm going to try to move quick
because there's so much here

2122
02:07:30,700 --> 02:07:35,400
sure.
But you know the sadly there's

2123
02:07:35,400 --> 02:07:39,500
kind of Of a cultural attitude
about Isaiah in the church side

2124
02:07:39,800 --> 02:07:43,100
of we're never going to
understand that, let's just go

2125
02:07:43,100 --> 02:07:47,200
through the motions of.
Well, I think that's by Design

2126
02:07:47,200 --> 02:07:51,800
because that never used to be a
thing until about the early

2127
02:07:52,100 --> 02:07:55,900
early 20th century.
I don't remember a time before

2128
02:07:55,900 --> 02:07:59,400
it, but I was born in 84.
So maybe I kind of I kind of

2129
02:07:59,400 --> 02:08:03,100
looked at it at the history of
it, really and before then

2130
02:08:03,700 --> 02:08:07,100
before about the earliest early,
Century about the 1920s.

2131
02:08:07,100 --> 02:08:14,600
Isaiah was one of those things
that was touted spoke about this

2132
02:08:14,600 --> 02:08:16,400
idea.
Christ himself endorsed it

2133
02:08:16,400 --> 02:08:19,100
commanded us to study is this
idea of?

2134
02:08:19,100 --> 02:08:22,800
We don't understand what they're
saying we can't and well we

2135
02:08:22,800 --> 02:08:26,100
can't understand that was never
a thing till the early 20th

2136
02:08:26,100 --> 02:08:30,800
century and I think that's
because Isaiah kind of says some

2137
02:08:30,800 --> 02:08:33,300
things that if he's very keen to
us.

2138
02:08:33,300 --> 02:08:36,800
Maybe there's some stuff that At
we need to clean up.

2139
02:08:36,800 --> 02:08:43,600
Well, on that note Isaiah.
There's there's one thing here

2140
02:08:43,600 --> 02:08:50,700
from parley P Pratt 24:5 and
these few verses we discover a

2141
02:08:50,708 --> 02:08:54,500
light Calamity, awaiting priests
and people, rich and poor Bond

2142
02:08:54,500 --> 02:08:56,300
and free and so much that they
are all to be burned up.

2143
02:08:56,308 --> 02:09:00,400
But a few and the compliant that
complaint is that the Earth is

2144
02:09:00,400 --> 02:09:02,500
defiled under the inhabitants
thereof because they have

2145
02:09:02,500 --> 02:09:05,300
transgressed the laws, change
the ordinances and broken the

2146
02:09:05,308 --> 02:09:06,700
Everlasting.
In Covenant.

2147
02:09:07,400 --> 02:09:10,300
Now, this could not be speaking
of any other than the Covenant

2148
02:09:10,300 --> 02:09:14,100
that made in the latter days,
but this destruction is to come

2149
02:09:14,100 --> 02:09:17,000
by fire is literally as the
flood in the days of Noah and it

2150
02:09:17,000 --> 02:09:19,500
will consume both priests and
people from the earth and that

2151
02:09:19,500 --> 02:09:22,400
too for having broken.
The Covenant of the Gospel with

2152
02:09:22,400 --> 02:09:25,500
its laws and ordinances or else
we must get a new edition of The

2153
02:09:25,500 --> 02:09:27,800
Bible leaving out the 24th
chapter of Isaiah.

2154
02:09:30,100 --> 02:09:33,100
And then another thing from BH
Roberts and this is in the

2155
02:09:33,300 --> 02:09:37,300
history of the church preface,
like the in Trow and he's

2156
02:09:37,300 --> 02:09:40,000
speaking exactly about Isaiah
chapter 24 verse 5.

2157
02:09:40,100 --> 02:09:43,600
Clearly all of this prophecy of
Isaiah's has not yet been

2158
02:09:43,600 --> 02:09:46,500
fulfilled for the Earth.
However much it may have been

2159
02:09:46,500 --> 02:09:49,800
defiled under the inhabitants
thereof has not yet been burned

2160
02:09:50,300 --> 02:09:53,600
and but few men left that is a
judgment that still hangs over

2161
02:09:53,600 --> 02:09:56,800
the world and will come upon it
as sure as the Lord has spoken

2162
02:09:56,800 --> 02:09:59,400
the word and that too, because
men have transgressed the laws

2163
02:09:59,400 --> 02:10:01,600
because they have changed the
ordinances because they've

2164
02:10:01,600 --> 02:10:05,200
broken not the covenant made
with Moses, or with Abraham, but

2165
02:10:05,200 --> 02:10:08,100
because they have I've broken
the Everlasting Covenant of

2166
02:10:08,100 --> 02:10:10,500
which Covenant, the blood of
Christ is the sign and seal.

2167
02:10:10,500 --> 02:10:12,800
In other words, they have
broken, the gospel, Covenant,

2168
02:10:13,100 --> 02:10:16,500
departed from the gospel Faith,
hence the predicted judgment.

2169
02:10:18,200 --> 02:10:21,700
And then one last thing to
really bring it home.

2170
02:10:22,800 --> 02:10:25,800
This is from Joseph Fielding
Smith in 1964.

2171
02:10:27,600 --> 02:10:28,900
Actually, I don't have the date
on this one.

2172
02:10:28,900 --> 02:10:31,500
This is from his book, doctrines
of salvation, volume 3, Pages,

2173
02:10:31,500 --> 02:10:34,800
43 and 44.
There will be no peace in this

2174
02:10:34,800 --> 02:10:37,500
land or any other land, but
there will be plagued trial and

2175
02:10:37,500 --> 02:10:39,300
suffering from this time forth
until Christ.

2176
02:10:39,300 --> 02:10:42,300
Comes, the only Escape is by
repentance on the part of the

2177
02:10:42,300 --> 02:10:46,400
people and they will not repent.
What about the Latter-day

2178
02:10:46,400 --> 02:10:49,400
Saints?
In one passage that I have read,

2179
02:10:49,400 --> 02:10:51,900
it says that the Saints will
hardly Escape.

2180
02:10:52,200 --> 02:10:54,700
Well, I do not think they are
going to escape.

2181
02:10:54,700 --> 02:10:57,700
I will tell you why, for the
indignation of the Lord is

2182
02:10:57,700 --> 02:10:59,400
kindled against their
Abominations and all their

2183
02:10:59,400 --> 02:11:03,400
wicked Works.
Nevertheless, Zion shall Escape

2184
02:11:03,400 --> 02:11:05,000
if she observed to do all things
whatsoever.

2185
02:11:05,000 --> 02:11:07,900
I have commanded her, but if she
observed not to do whatsoever, I

2186
02:11:07,900 --> 02:11:09,400
have commanded her.
I will visit her according to

2187
02:11:09,400 --> 02:11:10,900
all her works.
With sore Affliction with

2188
02:11:10,900 --> 02:11:13,200
pestilence, with plagued with
sword, with vengeance, with

2189
02:11:13,200 --> 02:11:15,800
devouring fire.
Nevertheless, let it be read

2190
02:11:15,800 --> 02:11:17,800
this, once to her ears that I
the Lord.

2191
02:11:17,900 --> 02:11:21,000
If accepted her offering, if she
sin no more, none of these

2192
02:11:21,000 --> 02:11:25,000
things shall come upon her going
back to so that was quoting the

2193
02:11:25,008 --> 02:11:27,600
doctor and cousins, but going
back to Joseph Fielding Smith.

2194
02:11:27,600 --> 02:11:33,400
So that was set over. 120 years
ago in 1833, the Lord made the

2195
02:11:33,400 --> 02:11:35,400
promise to the Latter-Day Saints
that if they would keep his

2196
02:11:35,400 --> 02:11:37,500
Commandments, they should Escape
when these discrepant

2197
02:11:37,500 --> 02:11:39,600
destructions, like a world wind
should come.

2198
02:11:39,600 --> 02:11:42,000
Suddenly when all these trials
and sufferings should come upon,

2199
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:44,300
the people of the Earth, the
Latter-Day Saints might Escape

2200
02:11:44,300 --> 02:11:47,500
if they would keep his
Commandments, we are not keeping

2201
02:11:47,500 --> 02:11:51,100
his It's we are not half as good
as we think we are.

2202
02:11:51,800 --> 02:11:56,700
Hmm.
That was 1953, that that's one

2203
02:11:56,700 --> 02:11:58,600
we've ever was.
I mean.

2204
02:11:58,600 --> 02:12:04,400
Yeah.
Anyway, so that's okay.

2205
02:12:04,800 --> 02:12:06,800
Back to Isaiah.
That was a tangent.

2206
02:12:06,900 --> 02:12:08,100
Sorry.
But I know you're good.

2207
02:12:08,100 --> 02:12:10,100
Yeah, that's people on here all
the time.

2208
02:12:10,600 --> 02:12:12,600
No, it's still singled out.
It's all good.

2209
02:12:12,600 --> 02:12:18,500
It's all good.
So the the purpose of Jacob

2210
02:12:18,500 --> 02:12:22,600
Nephi and Isaiah, these are all
Apostolic Witnesses of Christ.

2211
02:12:22,600 --> 02:12:26,500
And in verse chapter, the
second, if I 11:3 says, we're

2212
02:12:26,500 --> 02:12:29,100
for by the words of three God
hath said, I will establish my

2213
02:12:29,100 --> 02:12:31,800
word God sendeth more witnesses
and he proved with all his

2214
02:12:31,800 --> 02:12:38,900
words, so diving into Isaiah 2,
which is where it kind of kick.

2215
02:12:38,900 --> 02:12:41,800
I mean, there's so let me
actually really quick.

2216
02:12:42,200 --> 02:12:47,100
I had this fascinating Insight
because I grew up at least in my

2217
02:12:47,300 --> 02:12:50,800
adult.
Life having that camper spective

2218
02:12:51,200 --> 02:12:55,900
of like, the attitude of, well,
we can't ever understand Isaiah,

2219
02:12:55,900 --> 02:12:59,900
so it's kind of like, why even
try because we, you know, we're

2220
02:12:59,900 --> 02:13:03,700
hopeless.
And so, he basic, I basically

2221
02:13:03,700 --> 02:13:10,100
was reading along in the Book of
Mormon in 2008 and I came across

2222
02:13:10,200 --> 02:13:18,000
first Nephi chapters, 15 and 16,
No, no 20 and 21 first Nephi

2223
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:22,600
first, first Nephi, 20 and 21,
which is quoting Isaiah chapter,

2224
02:13:22,600 --> 02:13:31,000
48 and 49.
And The it actually jumped out

2225
02:13:31,000 --> 02:13:32,800
at me because this is when I
started pondering that question.

2226
02:13:32,800 --> 02:13:34,200
Wait, am I numbered among
Israel?

2227
02:13:34,500 --> 02:13:35,900
Right?
And it says, in verse 1 of

2228
02:13:35,900 --> 02:13:39,900
chapter, twenty Harkin and hear
this oh, House of Jacob who are

2229
02:13:39,900 --> 02:13:42,500
called by the name of Israel in
a come forth out of the Waters

2230
02:13:42,500 --> 02:13:44,100
of Judah.
We're out of the Waters of

2231
02:13:44,100 --> 02:13:47,400
baptism, who swear by the name
of the Lord, and make mention of

2232
02:13:47,400 --> 02:13:51,000
the god of Israel.
Yet, they swear not in truth nor

2233
02:13:51,000 --> 02:13:54,000
in righteousness.
They call themselves of the holy

2234
02:13:54,000 --> 02:13:56,100
city.
So, anyway, that's just a quick

2235
02:13:56,100 --> 02:13:58,500
little thing.
And, and so I was reading these

2236
02:13:58,500 --> 02:14:01,700
words and they were hitting me
harder than I'd ever, like

2237
02:14:01,700 --> 02:14:03,600
notice, I mean, I'd read the
book of Mormon a bunch of times,

2238
02:14:03,600 --> 02:14:05,900
but, you know, with that
attitude, of course, you're not

2239
02:14:05,900 --> 02:14:07,100
going to get anything out of
Isaiah.

2240
02:14:08,100 --> 02:14:14,300
And and then again in verse
21:25, verse 1, quoting, Isaiah

2241
02:14:14,300 --> 02:14:17,200
49, verse 10, he House of
Israel, all you that are broken

2242
02:14:17,200 --> 02:14:19,700
off and are driven out because
of the wickedness of the

2243
02:14:19,700 --> 02:14:25,800
pastures of my people.
And I was like, wait, how can

2244
02:14:25,800 --> 02:14:30,100
the because I was very much in
the Paradigm of will, the profit

2245
02:14:30,100 --> 02:14:32,900
can't leave the church astray
follow the Brethren.

2246
02:14:33,200 --> 02:14:37,200
You know, the you know, just
these traditions of, you know,

2247
02:14:37,600 --> 02:14:40,700
infallibility, right, effective
infallibility.

2248
02:14:41,100 --> 02:14:44,100
And there's that that old funny
saying that the Catholics

2249
02:14:45,000 --> 02:14:48,600
believe in infallibility, you
know, they say they believe in

2250
02:14:48,600 --> 02:14:50,800
infallibility of the Pope but
nobody actually believes it

2251
02:14:50,900 --> 02:14:52,400
Mormons.
Saying they don't believe in

2252
02:14:52,400 --> 02:14:54,700
infallibility of their
presidents but nobody actually

2253
02:14:54,700 --> 02:14:56,800
believes it.
That's that's that's a that's a

2254
02:14:56,800 --> 02:15:00,700
very that's a very insightful
insightful saying.

2255
02:15:01,400 --> 02:15:04,900
But so what was interesting
about this in first Nephi 21:22

2256
02:15:06,900 --> 02:15:09,900
behold, I lift up my hand to the
Gentiles and set up my standard

2257
02:15:09,900 --> 02:15:12,300
to the people.
They shall bring thy sons in

2258
02:15:12,300 --> 02:15:14,200
their arms, and my daughter
shall be carried upon their

2259
02:15:14,200 --> 02:15:16,000
shoulders and Kings shall be thy
nurse.

2260
02:15:16,100 --> 02:15:17,800
They nursing fathers, and their
Queens.

2261
02:15:17,800 --> 02:15:20,800
I nursing mothers.
They shall bow down to thee with

2262
02:15:20,800 --> 02:15:22,700
her face.
The Earth and look up the dust

2263
02:15:22,700 --> 02:15:24,600
of thy feet.
Thou shall know that I am the

2264
02:15:24,600 --> 02:15:28,600
Lord for they shall not be
ashamed that wait for me and I

2265
02:15:28,608 --> 02:15:33,300
had always presumed.
Just because it had never

2266
02:15:33,300 --> 02:15:34,900
occurred to me.
Otherwise, nobody ever taught me

2267
02:15:34,900 --> 02:15:36,500
different.
That, that was referring to

2268
02:15:36,500 --> 02:15:39,600
political Kings.
Hmm, like sees, you know,

2269
02:15:39,600 --> 02:15:44,600
Caesars and that's when the
spirit was like, I don't think

2270
02:15:44,600 --> 02:15:48,300
these are political Kings.
I think this is in reference to

2271
02:15:48,800 --> 02:15:51,900
guess as spiritual office in the
priesthood.

2272
02:15:51,900 --> 02:15:53,700
Yeah, exactly.
That the Temple.

2273
02:15:53,900 --> 02:15:59,100
And so I made that connection
and because really how does it

2274
02:15:59,100 --> 02:16:02,900
make sense that the kings of the
Gentiles are gonna You know,

2275
02:16:02,900 --> 02:16:05,500
restore Israel, right?
Not saying it's impossible.

2276
02:16:05,500 --> 02:16:08,400
If that was God's intent but I
think that I just did not

2277
02:16:08,400 --> 02:16:13,400
understand that the king wasn't
a priest at office and the

2278
02:16:13,400 --> 02:16:16,200
temple makes made some allusions
to it and that's what kind of

2279
02:16:16,208 --> 02:16:20,100
triggered a thought and then
that Spirit of the study of the

2280
02:16:20,100 --> 02:16:23,400
higher ordinances.
Anyway and that's been a long

2281
02:16:23,400 --> 02:16:26,800
journey that has only recently
kind of come come full circle to

2282
02:16:26,800 --> 02:16:29,500
fruition.
But what's interesting about

2283
02:16:29,500 --> 02:16:34,100
this The Book of Mormon is the
key to understanding Isaiah.

2284
02:16:34,900 --> 02:16:37,700
If you want to understand
Isaiah, 48 and 49 read first

2285
02:16:37,700 --> 02:16:40,799
Nephi 22, right.
Is because it Nephi quotes,

2286
02:16:40,799 --> 02:16:43,100
Isaiah, 48 and 49 to Laman and
Lemuel.

2287
02:16:43,100 --> 02:16:46,200
They're like, we don't get it.
And if I was like let me break

2288
02:16:46,200 --> 02:16:48,200
it down for you.
So this if you want to

2289
02:16:48,200 --> 02:16:53,799
understand Isaiah this, he gives
you these these Rosetta Stones.

2290
02:16:53,900 --> 02:16:57,600
So to speak, these are a great
gift and it does it's both

2291
02:16:57,600 --> 02:17:01,799
temporal and spiritual.
So invert and S are first Nephi

2292
02:17:01,799 --> 02:17:05,200
chapter 22 verse 3.
The lemon lemon was like, well,

2293
02:17:05,200 --> 02:17:07,000
is this literal or is this
spiritual?

2294
02:17:07,000 --> 02:17:09,400
And he's like, both and he's
talking about a literal

2295
02:17:09,400 --> 02:17:11,500
scattering.
He's talking about a spiritual

2296
02:17:12,000 --> 02:17:16,900
scattering loss of identity.
And and then in verse 5, he's

2297
02:17:16,900 --> 02:17:19,500
talking about.
They shall be scattered among

2298
02:17:19,500 --> 02:17:21,500
all nations.
Shall be hated of all men.

2299
02:17:22,799 --> 02:17:25,799
And then 47 after the house of
Israel have been scattered.

2300
02:17:26,500 --> 02:17:29,000
Lord will raise up a mighty
nation among the Gentiles which

2301
02:17:29,000 --> 02:17:31,400
which on the face of this land
and buy them shall our seed be

2302
02:17:31,407 --> 02:17:34,600
scattered after our seed is
scattered.

2303
02:17:34,700 --> 02:17:36,400
The Lord will proceed to do a
marvellous work among the

2304
02:17:36,400 --> 02:17:39,100
Gentiles which shall be of great
worth unto our seed.

2305
02:17:39,900 --> 02:17:43,400
Now, it hasn't been of great
worth unto the Native Americans

2306
02:17:43,400 --> 02:17:46,200
yet.
But most of these things that

2307
02:17:46,200 --> 02:17:48,900
we've talked about, in this
chapter have already happened,

2308
02:17:48,900 --> 02:17:51,900
like, yes, things are scattered,
they've been driven and hated

2309
02:17:51,900 --> 02:17:54,900
and all that.
That and the great worth, the

2310
02:17:54,900 --> 02:17:57,400
work has come among the
Gentiles, like that's all

2311
02:17:57,400 --> 02:17:59,299
happened.
But has it been of great worth

2312
02:17:59,299 --> 02:18:01,299
unto the Native Americans?
Yet?

2313
02:18:02,100 --> 02:18:05,799
Not quite, but the promise is
sure verse 12.

2314
02:18:05,799 --> 02:18:10,100
Wherefore, he God will bring
them, The Descent, the Native

2315
02:18:10,100 --> 02:18:11,900
Americans again out of
captivity.

2316
02:18:11,900 --> 02:18:13,799
And they shall be gathered
together to the lands of their

2317
02:18:13,799 --> 02:18:15,600
inheritance.
And they shall be brought out of

2318
02:18:15,600 --> 02:18:18,000
obscurity and out of darkness
and they shall know that the

2319
02:18:18,000 --> 02:18:21,200
Lord is their Savior and the
Redeemer, the mighty one of

2320
02:18:21,200 --> 02:18:25,200
Israel.
And it talks about the great

2321
02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:27,000
volatile church.
We kind of already talked about

2322
02:18:27,000 --> 02:18:30,000
that quite a bit.
Yep, let's see.

2323
02:18:30,600 --> 02:18:34,600
This is this is another hard
hitter first Nephi. 22, verse 23

2324
02:18:36,200 --> 02:18:38,100
for the time.
Speedily shall come, that all

2325
02:18:38,100 --> 02:18:42,000
churches which are built up to
get gain and all those who are

2326
02:18:42,000 --> 02:18:45,700
built up to get power, over the
Flesh and those who are built up

2327
02:18:45,700 --> 02:18:49,700
to become popular, in the eyes
of the world, those who seek the

2328
02:18:49,700 --> 02:18:52,000
lusts of the Flesh and the
things of the world.

2329
02:18:52,500 --> 02:18:55,000
And to do all manner of iniquity
a and find all those who belong

2330
02:18:55,000 --> 02:19:01,700
to the kingdom of the devil.
what's interesting is, It's it's

2331
02:19:01,700 --> 02:19:04,700
heartbreaking to me.
I listened to your conversation

2332
02:19:04,700 --> 02:19:06,500
about the temple with Ben
Shafer.

2333
02:19:06,900 --> 02:19:09,200
And I mean, I've had kind of a
testimony of the fullness of the

2334
02:19:09,200 --> 02:19:12,900
gospel and had kind of my eyes
open to the true condition and

2335
02:19:12,900 --> 02:19:15,700
state of reality, in the church
for a while.

2336
02:19:16,200 --> 02:19:18,799
But it still made me physically
ill.

2337
02:19:19,000 --> 02:19:25,100
It was very upsetting to just
hear from a first-hand, witness

2338
02:19:25,600 --> 02:19:28,100
the desecration that's happening
as we speak.

2339
02:19:28,799 --> 02:19:35,700
And, you know, It's really easy
for Mormons LDS folks to point

2340
02:19:35,700 --> 02:19:37,700
the finger outward.
And so, yeah.

2341
02:19:37,700 --> 02:19:40,600
Well good thing, our church
doesn't build itself up to get

2342
02:19:40,600 --> 02:19:44,799
gain and to control the flesh or
control people and to become

2343
02:19:44,799 --> 02:19:47,900
popular and seek the lusts of
the flesh.

2344
02:19:49,100 --> 02:19:54,200
Like it's it's, it's tempting to
think as LDS people or let me

2345
02:19:54,200 --> 02:19:57,500
rephrase that as the
organization.

2346
02:19:57,600 --> 02:20:01,300
Yeah, they checked every box,
exactly, they've checked.

2347
02:20:01,400 --> 02:20:03,900
Checked every box, that's where
it's at.

2348
02:20:04,000 --> 02:20:07,100
And and it's Awakening again to
our awful situation politically.

2349
02:20:07,100 --> 02:20:11,200
But spiritually, we have, we
need to wake to our awful

2350
02:20:11,200 --> 02:20:13,700
situation.
We are of the kingdom of the

2351
02:20:13,700 --> 02:20:16,900
devil.
We're in the wrong church if we

2352
02:20:16,900 --> 02:20:20,700
uphold these things and so I'm
not saying, leave the your

2353
02:20:20,700 --> 02:20:23,700
membership or, you know,
terminate your membership in the

2354
02:20:23,700 --> 02:20:25,600
church or anything like that,
I'm saying.

2355
02:20:26,800 --> 02:20:31,700
Repent and write, and don't do
these things because these are

2356
02:20:31,700 --> 02:20:34,200
they who need fear and tremble,
and Quake.

2357
02:20:34,200 --> 02:20:36,900
They are those who must be
brought low in the dust.

2358
02:20:36,900 --> 02:20:39,700
They are those who must be
consumed, a stubble, according

2359
02:20:39,700 --> 02:20:43,600
to the words of the Prophet.
So that's, you know, basically,

2360
02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:47,800
one of the first keys, if Isaiah
Jacob, then goes proceeds to

2361
02:20:47,800 --> 02:20:50,600
talk about and quote, Isaiah.
And then commentary, like second

2362
02:20:50,600 --> 02:20:58,300
t59 is, is Jacob's unlocking,
Isaiah chapter 50, And 51 which

2363
02:20:58,300 --> 02:21:01,200
are quoted in second defy, seven
and eight.

2364
02:21:01,700 --> 02:21:06,100
Mmm and so second, if I 9 it's a
famous chapter.

2365
02:21:06,100 --> 02:21:07,600
Like a lot of people have heard
of it.

2366
02:21:08,200 --> 02:21:10,400
But do we understand the
concept?

2367
02:21:10,400 --> 02:21:15,500
The context here is Jacob is
unlocking Isaiah for us, right?

2368
02:21:15,800 --> 02:21:19,200
And so, concerning the covenants
that the Lord has covenanted

2369
02:21:19,200 --> 02:21:26,700
with all the house of Israel and
just real quick, Checking, if I

2370
02:21:26,700 --> 02:21:30,000
9:18 behold the righteous, the
Saints of the Holy One of

2371
02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:31,600
Israel.
They who have believed in the

2372
02:21:31,600 --> 02:21:33,600
Holy One of Israel.
They who have endured the

2373
02:21:33,600 --> 02:21:37,200
crosses of the world and
despised the shame of it.

2374
02:21:37,900 --> 02:21:41,400
There are crosses to be born and
it's inescapable, it's the path

2375
02:21:41,400 --> 02:21:44,100
of sorry.
I was second EFI what s if I

2376
02:21:44,108 --> 02:21:52,100
9:18?
Okay, and bearing a cross is an

2377
02:21:52,100 --> 02:21:55,600
inevitable.
A part of discipleship, right?

2378
02:21:56,000 --> 02:22:00,500
We need to take up our crosses
and we can't be a worried about

2379
02:22:00,600 --> 02:22:02,100
what other people think or be
ashamed.

2380
02:22:02,100 --> 02:22:06,500
Like, in other words, ashamed of
them, we need to account unto

2381
02:22:06,500 --> 02:22:09,300
God.
Our Allegiance must be to God,

2382
02:22:09,300 --> 02:22:11,800
not to an Earthly institution or
to a man.

2383
02:22:12,800 --> 02:22:18,500
So If we can say something,
yeah, I remember.

2384
02:22:20,500 --> 02:22:25,300
Right after shouldn't say right
after it was probably a couple

2385
02:22:25,300 --> 02:22:33,400
of weeks after I realized just
how just the level of

2386
02:22:33,400 --> 02:22:36,900
desecration that was happening
within the LDS within within the

2387
02:22:36,900 --> 02:22:40,400
Salt Lake Temple.
And again that held a special

2388
02:22:40,400 --> 02:22:43,400
place in my heart because there
was definitely a residue left

2389
02:22:43,400 --> 02:22:45,500
over in that Temple.
Oh, yeah.

2390
02:22:46,300 --> 02:22:51,600
And I remember I was Just
parting expression.

2391
02:22:51,600 --> 02:22:54,700
I was just in a piss-poor mood
for about two weeks after that.

2392
02:22:54,700 --> 02:22:56,800
Right?
I understand it was not a happy

2393
02:22:56,800 --> 02:22:59,700
man for the first time.
I could kind of identify with

2394
02:22:59,700 --> 02:23:03,100
Jeremiah a little bit not as
righteous but just as pissed

2395
02:23:03,100 --> 02:23:06,600
off.
Yeah, and I remember one night

2396
02:23:06,600 --> 02:23:09,700
as I was saying my prayers just
asking for Comfort because I

2397
02:23:09,700 --> 02:23:17,200
recognize just how crappy I was
feeling and and this is just for

2398
02:23:17,200 --> 02:23:19,800
me, I'm not going to pretend
this is from for anybody else.

2399
02:23:19,800 --> 02:23:23,700
So Take it with a grain of salt,
but I remember the Lord saying

2400
02:23:24,600 --> 02:23:28,500
everything that has been built
by the hand of, man, not unto

2401
02:23:28,500 --> 02:23:34,000
me.
I will bring down And what

2402
02:23:34,000 --> 02:23:39,400
caught my attention to that was
was first Nephi 22:23 where Lord

2403
02:23:39,400 --> 02:23:41,800
basically says the same thing.
Yeah.

2404
02:23:41,900 --> 02:23:44,100
And I've never caught that until
you and I have talked right

2405
02:23:44,100 --> 02:23:49,300
here, but he's right now, this
is my opinion.

2406
02:23:49,300 --> 02:23:52,600
All the things that were feeling
and commotion and nothing.

2407
02:23:53,200 --> 02:23:58,200
Feel solid anymore, right?
Nothing feels grounded, so to

2408
02:23:58,200 --> 02:23:59,100
speak.
Yeah.

2409
02:23:59,700 --> 02:24:01,700
It's because we're all looking
outward.

2410
02:24:01,800 --> 02:24:06,300
Word for stability, instead of
looking up and work, right?

2411
02:24:06,300 --> 02:24:10,500
We're looking to the structures
of man to provide stability.

2412
02:24:10,500 --> 02:24:12,700
And the Lord is saying, forget
it.

2413
02:24:12,900 --> 02:24:15,600
I'm going to shake those.
Your that's called sand, right?

2414
02:24:15,600 --> 02:24:17,100
That's not the foundation.
You don't have it.

2415
02:24:17,400 --> 02:24:19,300
You don't want to be in that
building.

2416
02:24:19,800 --> 02:24:22,300
Yeah, right.
Because I'm shaking it now to

2417
02:24:22,300 --> 02:24:26,600
get people's attention.
So, If that's the case, we had

2418
02:24:26,600 --> 02:24:28,200
better.
Start looking Inward and

2419
02:24:28,200 --> 02:24:32,700
upwardly upwardly, first towards
God and then get real

2420
02:24:32,700 --> 02:24:36,400
comfortable with getting your
information from him.

2421
02:24:36,700 --> 02:24:38,100
Yeah.
Because if you're looking to the

2422
02:24:38,100 --> 02:24:40,600
government, if you're looking to
a church, if you're looking to a

2423
02:24:40,600 --> 02:24:45,500
man you are going to be sorely
lacking and disappointed.

2424
02:24:46,800 --> 02:24:51,200
Amen.
Yeah that's a great segue into

2425
02:24:51,200 --> 02:24:55,800
the rest of Isaiah chapter.
So second D Phi.

2426
02:24:56,600 --> 02:25:02,400
Chapter 12 which is Isaiah 2
talks about o House of Jacob.

2427
02:25:02,400 --> 02:25:04,000
Come e.
Let us walk in the light of the

2428
02:25:04,000 --> 02:25:05,000
Lord.
Ye come for you.

2429
02:25:05,000 --> 02:25:07,800
Have all gone astray everyone to
his Wicked Ways.

2430
02:25:08,300 --> 02:25:11,800
So, if we presume to be to call
ourselves Israel, as as

2431
02:25:11,800 --> 02:25:16,200
Latter-Day Saints, we can't we
either direction Israel's.

2432
02:25:16,300 --> 02:25:18,900
He's a stray.
The Gentiles are astray.

2433
02:25:18,900 --> 02:25:22,800
So, no matter which you identify
with the messages, the take-home

2434
02:25:22,800 --> 02:25:31,400
is repent.
The the hate to even bring this

2435
02:25:31,400 --> 02:25:34,900
up.
But verse 6, O, Lord, thou Hast

2436
02:25:34,900 --> 02:25:36,900
forsaken thy people.
The house of Jacob because they

2437
02:25:36,900 --> 02:25:39,400
be replenished from the East and
hearken unto the soothsayers

2438
02:25:39,400 --> 02:25:41,800
like the Philistines, and they
please themselves in the

2439
02:25:41,800 --> 02:25:46,700
children of strangers.
Child trafficking is a thing and

2440
02:25:47,300 --> 02:25:50,400
you know I don't know how much
you've ever gone down the rabbit

2441
02:25:50,400 --> 02:25:52,800
hole of SRA.
Yeah, it sucks.

2442
02:25:53,000 --> 02:25:58,900
And it's not kid-friendly and
it's and it's not, it's not

2443
02:25:59,500 --> 02:26:04,900
adult friendly either know, it's
terrible but it's right there.

2444
02:26:05,100 --> 02:26:06,900
Please themselves in the
children of strangers.

2445
02:26:08,100 --> 02:26:09,900
Their land is full of silver and
gold.

2446
02:26:09,900 --> 02:26:11,600
There's no end to their
Treasures.

2447
02:26:11,700 --> 02:26:14,400
Their lands full of horses and
No into their churches.

2448
02:26:14,400 --> 02:26:17,700
In other words like military
might just these economic

2449
02:26:17,800 --> 02:26:20,800
abundance.
All all resolutely indicators

2450
02:26:20,800 --> 02:26:25,100
are, they are blessed their
lands full of Idols, the way

2451
02:26:25,100 --> 02:26:27,300
they worship.
The work of their own hands,

2452
02:26:27,700 --> 02:26:29,100
that which their fingers have
made.

2453
02:26:31,200 --> 02:26:36,000
Yeah, who does that?
Not apply to these days, right?

2454
02:26:36,500 --> 02:26:41,300
You know, and the mean man bath
not down all, you know the great

2455
02:26:41,300 --> 02:26:44,200
man, humbled himself, not
forgive him, not it, this is not

2456
02:26:44,200 --> 02:26:46,700
a class thing, everybody's
prideful.

2457
02:26:46,900 --> 02:26:50,200
Even the even the bum on the
Street Homeless and my heart

2458
02:26:50,200 --> 02:26:55,200
goes out to him but they are
also very proud in that they

2459
02:26:55,200 --> 02:26:58,800
should be coming unto Christ
through those experiences right

2460
02:26:58,800 --> 02:27:01,200
and sadly most of them Are not
yep.

2461
02:27:01,200 --> 02:27:06,000
And but you know again that that
none of us are exempt from these

2462
02:27:06,000 --> 02:27:10,900
things.
But verse 17, the loftiness of

2463
02:27:10,900 --> 02:27:14,300
man shall be bowed down and the
haughtiness of men shall be made

2464
02:27:14,300 --> 02:27:16,500
known.
So we will be humbled.

2465
02:27:16,800 --> 02:27:18,700
It's, it's how do we want to be
humbled?

2466
02:27:18,700 --> 02:27:23,600
We want to be humbled because we
choose to repent and we humble

2467
02:27:23,600 --> 02:27:28,100
ourselves, or will we be forced
right by the judgments of God?

2468
02:27:28,100 --> 02:27:30,200
The idols he shall utterly
abolish.

2469
02:27:32,100 --> 02:27:36,000
Which is probably not a good
sign for the Futures on Tech.

2470
02:27:36,600 --> 02:27:39,300
Because Tech is one of you know,
especially like Health Tech is

2471
02:27:39,308 --> 02:27:42,400
one of the greatest Idols that
the church worships that, you

2472
02:27:42,400 --> 02:27:45,400
know, most individuals, like
they worship Health medical

2473
02:27:45,400 --> 02:27:48,300
professionals, they worship
technology and you know,

2474
02:27:48,600 --> 02:27:52,300
surgical advancements or or the
other transportation.

2475
02:27:52,300 --> 02:27:55,300
And there's so much stuff that
is amazing.

2476
02:27:56,000 --> 02:27:58,000
But we have to acknowledge the
hand of God.

2477
02:27:58,000 --> 02:28:01,900
We can't think that we're so
smart that we Invented airplanes

2478
02:28:01,900 --> 02:28:04,500
and all these tools and
advances.

2479
02:28:05,900 --> 02:28:12,100
I Yeah, I look back at the Old
Testament, a lot.

2480
02:28:12,200 --> 02:28:18,200
Yeah, mainly because because of
my buddy, Joe Lunas, dad Zeke.

2481
02:28:19,000 --> 02:28:21,800
He, they taught me there's more
there about the future than what

2482
02:28:21,800 --> 02:28:23,200
you want to realize.
Yeah.

2483
02:28:23,200 --> 02:28:26,100
Or what your how do I still see
how comfortable you are?

2484
02:28:26,100 --> 02:28:27,500
You want to get?
Yep.

2485
02:28:28,200 --> 02:28:33,500
Um, I've looked at our economy,
I've looked at our Tech and

2486
02:28:34,100 --> 02:28:36,400
because it's built for the wrong
reasons.

2487
02:28:36,900 --> 02:28:39,600
I thought.
We're building a Tower of Babel

2488
02:28:39,700 --> 02:28:42,700
to House of Cards.
It's a Tower of Babel yeah and

2489
02:28:42,700 --> 02:28:45,500
the Lord will cause this to come
down.

2490
02:28:45,600 --> 02:28:49,100
Yes right well and what was
Babel it was technological

2491
02:28:49,100 --> 02:28:52,600
advancement it was a unification
bridging all the gaps so that it

2492
02:28:52,600 --> 02:28:56,200
was like the whole world was
under one quote unquote.

2493
02:28:56,400 --> 02:28:59,500
Well has that not been
accomplished again through

2494
02:28:59,500 --> 02:29:01,300
technology.
Yeah, yeah.

2495
02:29:01,300 --> 02:29:05,600
International flights are the
thing of accessible to almost

2496
02:29:05,600 --> 02:29:09,300
everybody besides the the lowest
classes in the I'd States and

2497
02:29:09,300 --> 02:29:11,900
the Tower of Babel such an
interesting story because

2498
02:29:11,900 --> 02:29:16,200
there's some Illusions there
that are absolutely fascinating.

2499
02:29:16,300 --> 02:29:19,900
If you read in Genesis where
talks about Tower Babel, it says

2500
02:29:20,400 --> 02:29:25,100
and the Lord saw that all men
were United now on the surface.

2501
02:29:25,100 --> 02:29:26,600
That's a good would not be
great.

2502
02:29:26,600 --> 02:29:27,900
Wouldn't it?
Isn't that Zion?

2503
02:29:28,100 --> 02:29:30,900
That's what we aspire to you,
and the Lord said there is

2504
02:29:30,900 --> 02:29:35,600
nothing held back from them.
Let's go scatter their language.

2505
02:29:37,500 --> 02:29:40,000
And why is that I asked Zeke
that same question.

2506
02:29:40,000 --> 02:29:43,300
He's like, oh well that was the
first time communism was ever.

2507
02:29:43,300 --> 02:29:48,100
Tried a moment had a different
name but they were all United.

2508
02:29:49,000 --> 02:29:53,000
In just a we're all one but they
weren't one in the Lord they

2509
02:29:53,000 --> 02:29:56,500
were one under Nimrod.
Yeah, they were one under this

2510
02:29:56,500 --> 02:30:01,600
new system, and there's some
Illusions made there with how

2511
02:30:01,600 --> 02:30:04,400
they built the Tower.
They said, first do cut make

2512
02:30:04,500 --> 02:30:08,100
bricks, let's go make bricks and
then let's build this Tower,

2513
02:30:08,300 --> 02:30:10,400
right?
So there's this idea of

2514
02:30:10,400 --> 02:30:12,800
uniformity.
Everything is the same

2515
02:30:13,000 --> 02:30:15,800
interesting.
Again, that's all stuff that

2516
02:30:15,900 --> 02:30:18,400
that I got from him.
I'm not saying it's yes or no,

2517
02:30:18,400 --> 02:30:20,600
but It sure made a lot of sense
in the moment.

2518
02:30:20,600 --> 02:30:24,600
Totally, totally.
So moving along.

2519
02:30:24,600 --> 02:30:31,700
So, second defy 13.
Verse 9, the show of their

2520
02:30:31,700 --> 02:30:34,600
countenance, doth witness
against them and doth declare

2521
02:30:34,600 --> 02:30:39,100
their sin to be even as Sodom.
And they cannot hide, it woe

2522
02:30:39,100 --> 02:30:41,900
unto their souls for they have
rewarded evil unto themselves.

2523
02:30:43,200 --> 02:30:48,100
Now some Illusions are to what I
believe it.

2524
02:30:49,500 --> 02:30:52,800
Who was the said it was one of
the church presidents who said

2525
02:30:52,800 --> 02:30:55,500
someday on Salt Lake you will
you won't be able to tell a

2526
02:30:55,508 --> 02:30:58,900
gentile from a member of the
church and the very same.

2527
02:30:59,100 --> 02:31:04,200
Thing is set there in Isaiah and
S EC cos s e 513.

2528
02:31:04,300 --> 02:31:08,500
Yeah, so what is the sin of
Sodom?

2529
02:31:08,800 --> 02:31:11,700
Now obviously there's the
obvious one that everybody

2530
02:31:11,700 --> 02:31:15,100
Associates and which is
homosexuality saw to me,

2531
02:31:15,300 --> 02:31:19,500
literally named after it.
But what's interesting is the

2532
02:31:19,500 --> 02:31:24,200
sin of Sodom is actually kind of
a elaborated upon expounded upon

2533
02:31:24,200 --> 02:31:30,000
in Ezekiel, 16 verse 49.
He says Behold.

2534
02:31:30,000 --> 02:31:32,500
This was the iniquity of thy
sister Sodom.

2535
02:31:33,700 --> 02:31:39,300
Pride, fullness of bread and
abundance of idleness was in

2536
02:31:39,300 --> 02:31:43,100
her, and in her daughters.
Neither did she strengthen the

2537
02:31:43,100 --> 02:31:47,200
hand of the poor and needy?
That's Ezekiel, 16, Ezekiel

2538
02:31:47,200 --> 02:31:52,700
16:49.
And so this sin, even to be as

2539
02:31:52,700 --> 02:31:56,200
Sodom we don't want to get
tunnel vision and think will is

2540
02:31:56,200 --> 02:31:57,100
gay, you know?
Homosexuality.

2541
02:31:57,700 --> 02:32:02,400
Yeah, because that was, I think
it's obviously a problem.

2542
02:32:03,400 --> 02:32:07,400
But I think it's actually more
symptomatic of a far deeper

2543
02:32:07,700 --> 02:32:12,400
underlying problem, which is
ultimately pride and despising

2544
02:32:12,400 --> 02:32:13,800
the poor.
Yeah.

2545
02:32:14,600 --> 02:32:20,900
So anyway and we'll we'll come
back to that concept a little

2546
02:32:20,900 --> 02:32:27,800
bit later, so my people, okay,
second, if I 13:12 back to this

2547
02:32:28,200 --> 02:32:33,200
and my people children are their
oppressors and women rule over

2548
02:32:33,300 --> 02:32:37,300
Her them o, my people.
They who lead thee cause the to

2549
02:32:37,300 --> 02:32:45,200
are and destroy the way of thy
paths, you know, child tyranny

2550
02:32:45,200 --> 02:32:50,100
is a thing, and it's, you know,
and I'm not criticizing any

2551
02:32:50,100 --> 02:32:55,100
parents out there because all
three year olds are tyrants, you

2552
02:32:55,100 --> 02:32:58,100
know, and some more so than
others that's like the, you

2553
02:32:58,100 --> 02:33:03,200
know, but but the, the lesson I
think is a good parent.

2554
02:33:03,400 --> 02:33:07,000
It will diligently and
long-suffering Lee work with a

2555
02:33:07,000 --> 02:33:10,800
child to help them, overcome and
submit, and you don't want to

2556
02:33:10,800 --> 02:33:13,300
cut a kid to just like submit
like you don't want, I don't

2557
02:33:13,300 --> 02:33:16,600
want it to teach my kids to just
bow down to whatever I say.

2558
02:33:17,300 --> 02:33:22,200
But they must learn how to bow
down to someone so that they can

2559
02:33:22,200 --> 02:33:24,900
then bow down to God.
We're and as a parent that is

2560
02:33:24,900 --> 02:33:29,300
the role and a child needs to be
submissive to parents and

2561
02:33:29,300 --> 02:33:32,100
unfortunately our culture has
kind of turned that on its head.

2562
02:33:32,200 --> 02:33:35,900
Yep.
Similarly, now again, I don't

2563
02:33:35,900 --> 02:33:39,400
mean to offend anybody unless
you're a feminist in which case,

2564
02:33:39,700 --> 02:33:42,500
please be offended by what I'm
about to say.

2565
02:33:44,400 --> 02:33:51,800
Women are not the heads of the
household period, the hate right

2566
02:33:52,600 --> 02:33:55,800
and and when you change the
Covenant so women no longer

2567
02:33:55,800 --> 02:33:58,500
submit to her husband.
Wait, did that have?

2568
02:33:58,600 --> 02:34:01,900
Yeah, I'll be darned, right?
Yeah, right, yeah.

2569
02:34:01,900 --> 02:34:05,800
So, how about that?
That have we not broken the

2570
02:34:05,800 --> 02:34:08,400
Covenant, we have changed the
ordinance.

2571
02:34:09,000 --> 02:34:11,100
Who else could this apply to?
Who else has?

2572
02:34:11,100 --> 02:34:13,900
Who else has claimed to have
obtained?

2573
02:34:13,900 --> 02:34:16,600
The fullness of the priesthood
or the ordinances of the Gospel?

2574
02:34:17,700 --> 02:34:20,400
Or the very pattern of God's
family.

2575
02:34:20,400 --> 02:34:24,000
Yes, no one it's Mormons warming
period.

2576
02:34:24,600 --> 02:34:31,600
So yeah, just feminists feminism
and this child tyranny, Trends,

2577
02:34:31,600 --> 02:34:37,200
got to go yo, absolutely.
But the other the the second

2578
02:34:37,200 --> 02:34:44,600
half of that verse to absolve
some of the individual because

2579
02:34:44,600 --> 02:34:47,100
really it goes, it's a
leadership failure, right?

2580
02:34:48,000 --> 02:34:51,600
My people, they who lead thee
cause thee to are and destroy

2581
02:34:51,600 --> 02:34:55,200
the way of thy paths.
When was the last time you read

2582
02:34:55,300 --> 02:34:58,300
Joseph Smith translation of Mark
chapter 9.

2583
02:34:58,800 --> 02:35:01,400
It's been a while but I have it
right there if you want to pull

2584
02:35:01,400 --> 02:35:06,600
it out honestly for my fellow
brothers and sisters who may be

2585
02:35:06,600 --> 02:35:09,500
listening to this that are still
in the LDS church first, I

2586
02:35:09,500 --> 02:35:14,700
commend you for sticking it out,
you know, if the spirits

2587
02:35:14,700 --> 02:35:18,500
prompted you to leave, don't
resist that.

2588
02:35:18,600 --> 02:35:22,100
Don't don't be fearful.
Don't fear men and understand

2589
02:35:22,100 --> 02:35:23,800
that you don't have to give up
anything.

2590
02:35:23,900 --> 02:35:28,400
Thing in the gospel.
But if the spirit has prompted

2591
02:35:28,400 --> 02:35:30,000
you to stay, and this is your
burden.

2592
02:35:30,000 --> 02:35:35,000
And here's this your cross, you
have to stick it out like I

2593
02:35:35,000 --> 02:35:40,800
commend you for your integrity
and so it sits there will likely

2594
02:35:40,800 --> 02:35:43,900
come a time when it will become
incompatible but don't be afraid

2595
02:35:43,900 --> 02:35:46,800
of that and just put your trust
in the Lord.

2596
02:35:47,100 --> 02:35:49,700
But these are the instructions.
This is the Joseph Smith

2597
02:35:49,700 --> 02:35:55,800
translation of Mark 9 verses 40
through 48 I think it is and I

2598
02:35:55,800 --> 02:36:00,500
think that this is really
instructive because this is not

2599
02:36:00,500 --> 02:36:02,400
an ancient translation.
This is the Joseph Smith

2600
02:36:02,400 --> 02:36:05,500
translation.
So this is like for our day.

2601
02:36:05,600 --> 02:36:08,900
This is not an ancient thing.
It was originally given ancient

2602
02:36:08,900 --> 02:36:11,600
lie for the people back then,
but the Joseph Smith

2603
02:36:11,600 --> 02:36:15,200
translation, the people of
ancient Jerusalem, never had.

2604
02:36:15,400 --> 02:36:18,200
So this is for us.
So why don't you read?

2605
02:36:19,900 --> 02:36:22,600
I think it's just verses 40
through 48.

2606
02:36:22,700 --> 02:36:26,100
Okay.
Mark 9 40 through 48, Joseph

2607
02:36:26,100 --> 02:36:29,900
Smith translation.
Therefore if they had offended

2608
02:36:29,900 --> 02:36:34,300
thee, if they hand excuse me.
Therefore If thy hand offend

2609
02:36:34,300 --> 02:36:38,800
thee, cut it off, or if I
brother offend the confess, not

2610
02:36:39,100 --> 02:36:42,400
and forsake, not he shall be cut
off.

2611
02:36:42,500 --> 02:36:46,700
It is better for thee to enter
into life maimed than having two

2612
02:36:46,700 --> 02:36:51,600
hands to go into hell for it is
better for thee to enter into

2613
02:36:51,600 --> 02:36:55,300
life without thy brother.
For thee and thy brother to be

2614
02:36:55,300 --> 02:36:59,900
cast into hell, into the into,
the fire, that never shall be

2615
02:36:59,900 --> 02:37:05,000
quenched where they're worn,
excuse me, where their worm,

2616
02:37:05,300 --> 02:37:08,800
dieth not and the fire is not
quenched.

2617
02:37:09,000 --> 02:37:14,900
And again, If thy foot offend
thee cut it off for he that is

2618
02:37:15,600 --> 02:37:17,900
dy standard by whom thou
walkest.

2619
02:37:18,100 --> 02:37:21,300
If he become a transgressor, he
shall be cut off.

2620
02:37:21,700 --> 02:37:26,400
It is better for thee to enter.
Halt into life than having two

2621
02:37:26,400 --> 02:37:30,800
feet and be cast into hell into
that fire that never shall be

2622
02:37:30,800 --> 02:37:34,300
quenched.
Therefore let every man stand or

2623
02:37:34,300 --> 02:37:39,700
fall by himself and not for
another or North trusting.

2624
02:37:39,700 --> 02:37:45,000
Another seek unto my father and
it shall be done in that very

2625
02:37:45,000 --> 02:37:48,300
moment, whatever he asked.
And if he ask in faith

2626
02:37:48,300 --> 02:37:53,400
believing, ye shall receive it.
And if II which seeth fit for

2627
02:37:53,400 --> 02:37:58,200
the The him that is appointed to
watch over the to show the light

2628
02:37:58,200 --> 02:38:02,000
become a transgression
transgressor and offend thee,

2629
02:38:02,100 --> 02:38:05,300
pluck him out.
It is better for thee to enter

2630
02:38:05,300 --> 02:38:08,500
into the kingdom, with one eye
than having two eyes to be cast

2631
02:38:08,500 --> 02:38:12,400
into hell for it is better.
That thyself should be saved,

2632
02:38:12,500 --> 02:38:16,400
then to be cast into hell with I
brother, where the worm, dieth

2633
02:38:16,400 --> 02:38:21,500
not and where the fire is, not
quenched, Wow.

2634
02:38:22,100 --> 02:38:29,200
Okay, so there's three analogies
hands, feet eyes and it

2635
02:38:29,200 --> 02:38:31,900
increasingly becomes more and
more clear.

2636
02:38:31,900 --> 02:38:37,800
What this is applying to, right?
This is basically saying He,

2637
02:38:37,800 --> 02:38:42,900
that is thy standard by whom
thou walkest who is, who is

2638
02:38:42,900 --> 02:38:46,000
marking the path, for the church
right now, it's rustling else,

2639
02:38:46,000 --> 02:38:49,800
president Nelson and, and the
Quorum, you know, the the

2640
02:38:49,800 --> 02:38:51,100
general authorities, the
Brethren.

2641
02:38:52,000 --> 02:38:57,100
And so, are they not the
standard by whom thou walkest?

2642
02:38:58,000 --> 02:39:02,500
Now, if they, if he personified
singularly, but if they become a

2643
02:39:02,508 --> 02:39:04,600
transgressor, they'll be cut
off.

2644
02:39:05,400 --> 02:39:07,600
Well, if they're going to get
cut off, do you want to get cut

2645
02:39:07,600 --> 02:39:10,600
off with them or not?
This is the choice.

2646
02:39:10,600 --> 02:39:13,300
And this is a personal
individual responsibility and

2647
02:39:13,300 --> 02:39:16,500
decision to make.
Therefore, let every man stand

2648
02:39:16,500 --> 02:39:18,200
or fall by himself.
Not for another trusting.

2649
02:39:18,200 --> 02:39:21,300
Another absolutely don't trust
the Brethren.

2650
02:39:21,300 --> 02:39:23,200
Don't follow the Brethren.
If they're, if they're

2651
02:39:23,200 --> 02:39:25,500
righteous, follow the Brethren,
if they're telling you to

2652
02:39:25,500 --> 02:39:28,000
repent, follow the Brethren.
But if they're telling Telling

2653
02:39:28,000 --> 02:39:31,300
you to do anything and I mean
anything that is not in harmony

2654
02:39:31,300 --> 02:39:34,100
with the scriptures or with the
spirit of God within you.

2655
02:39:35,300 --> 02:39:39,700
Following them will be
destructive and damning and so

2656
02:39:39,700 --> 02:39:44,500
this is recommending.
This is actually commanding to

2657
02:39:44,500 --> 02:39:48,900
cut it off, but which doesn't
mean that you sever your

2658
02:39:48,900 --> 02:39:51,800
relationships and sterile, but
you cut off the influence that

2659
02:39:51,800 --> 02:39:54,300
they have in your life.
Yeah, yeah.

2660
02:39:54,300 --> 02:39:58,200
Don't don't let them and their
opinions, dictate what you're

2661
02:39:58,200 --> 02:40:00,400
going to do.
And that's pretty powerful

2662
02:40:00,400 --> 02:40:03,700
coming from a guy, right?
Who's receiving this Revelation,

2663
02:40:03,700 --> 02:40:04,900
who's the head of a bunch of
people?

2664
02:40:05,300 --> 02:40:07,700
Yeah, right.
Yeah, I mean he's he is sowing

2665
02:40:07,700 --> 02:40:13,000
the seeds of or he appears to be
sowing the seeds of dissolution

2666
02:40:14,100 --> 02:40:17,100
while he's in power, right?
I mean, yeah, if you're looking

2667
02:40:17,100 --> 02:40:21,600
to be a tyrant, that's a hell of
a verse to be getting from

2668
02:40:21,600 --> 02:40:22,900
Revelation.
Yep.

2669
02:40:22,900 --> 02:40:25,500
Right.
So and again, if thine eye,

2670
02:40:25,600 --> 02:40:27,700
which see it for thee, see our
ship.

2671
02:40:27,800 --> 02:40:32,200
Yeah, you know, him that is
appointed to watch over thee to

2672
02:40:32,200 --> 02:40:34,900
show the light.
Who Could That Be?

2673
02:40:35,000 --> 02:40:39,000
Better apply to for the LDS
people then president Nelson and

2674
02:40:39,000 --> 02:40:42,100
his counselors in the torment
will you know become a

2675
02:40:42,100 --> 02:40:46,400
transgressor and offend thee.
Pluck him out again pluck him

2676
02:40:46,400 --> 02:40:50,400
out doesn't mean that you
necessarily sever all ties or

2677
02:40:50,500 --> 02:40:53,200
leave the church or become
antagonistic or anything like

2678
02:40:53,200 --> 02:40:57,800
that, but it certainly means
don't see through that lens

2679
02:40:57,800 --> 02:41:01,200
anymore.
We don't allow that Vision that

2680
02:41:01,200 --> 02:41:04,900
false counterfeit.
Lead You astray.

2681
02:41:06,000 --> 02:41:11,900
So anyway, that's that's icky
backing off of Isaiah.

2682
02:41:12,900 --> 02:41:18,600
The I think very prescriptive
and useful for for the modern

2683
02:41:18,900 --> 02:41:23,600
Latter-Day Saints.
Isaiah, for just a second.

2684
02:41:23,600 --> 02:41:29,400
If I 14 goes into, The famous
seven women shall take hold of

2685
02:41:29,400 --> 02:41:33,900
one man, right?
And you know the daughters of

2686
02:41:33,900 --> 02:41:37,400
Zion or you know, and I don't
want to rub it in their faces

2687
02:41:38,000 --> 02:41:42,600
but feminists are going to have
a lot of weeping and wailing and

2688
02:41:42,600 --> 02:41:47,400
gnashing of teeth and, you know,
they'll come out better for it

2689
02:41:48,000 --> 02:41:51,500
and it's going to be painful.
Maybe, maybe some of them won't

2690
02:41:51,500 --> 02:41:55,500
survive, they just won't won't
accept it even when they're

2691
02:41:55,500 --> 02:41:57,900
forced.
East and that's fine.

2692
02:41:58,200 --> 02:41:59,600
That's a that's a personal
choice.

2693
02:42:00,000 --> 02:42:06,400
So for S, you 515 compare Isaiah
5, talks about a Vineyard and a

2694
02:42:06,400 --> 02:42:11,600
tower and you made a wine press.
Now, this correlates

2695
02:42:11,700 --> 02:42:19,000
fascinatingly with Doctrine and
Covenants section 101, in which

2696
02:42:19,300 --> 02:42:22,100
Joseph Smith gives the parable
of the vineyard.

2697
02:42:22,800 --> 02:42:25,900
If you read this recently, not
for a while, okay.

2698
02:42:27,300 --> 02:42:33,500
So Section 1 0 1, starting in
verse 43.

2699
02:42:33,500 --> 02:42:36,600
And now I will show into a
parable that you may know my

2700
02:42:36,600 --> 02:42:40,500
will concerning the Redemption
of Zion a certain nobleman had a

2701
02:42:40,500 --> 02:42:43,200
spot of land, very choice and he
said unto his servants.

2702
02:42:43,200 --> 02:42:46,700
Go ye into my Vineyard and upon
this very choice piece of land

2703
02:42:46,700 --> 02:42:50,700
and plant 12, olive trees and
set Watchmen round about them

2704
02:42:50,800 --> 02:42:53,100
and build a tower that one.
They Overlook the land

2705
02:42:53,100 --> 02:42:55,500
roundabout to be a Watchman upon
the tower that mine.

2706
02:42:55,500 --> 02:42:57,400
All of trees may not.
Be broken down.

2707
02:42:57,500 --> 02:43:00,000
When the enemy shall come to
spoil and take upon themselves,

2708
02:43:00,000 --> 02:43:02,900
the fruit of my Vineyard.
Now the Servants of the nobleman

2709
02:43:02,900 --> 02:43:05,400
went and did as our Lord
commanded them and planted the

2710
02:43:05,400 --> 02:43:07,600
olive trees and built a hedge
roundabout and set.

2711
02:43:07,600 --> 02:43:09,700
Watchmen and began to build a
tower.

2712
02:43:11,300 --> 02:43:14,200
And while they were yet laying
the foundation thereof, they

2713
02:43:14,200 --> 02:43:17,400
began to say among themselves.
And what need hath.

2714
02:43:17,400 --> 02:43:21,100
My lord of this Tower and
consulted for a long time,

2715
02:43:21,100 --> 02:43:23,500
saying among themselves.
What need hath.

2716
02:43:23,500 --> 02:43:28,000
My lord of this Tower seeing.
This is a time of Peace, might

2717
02:43:28,000 --> 02:43:31,300
not this money be given to the
exchangers for.

2718
02:43:31,300 --> 02:43:35,900
There is no need of these things
and while they were at variance,

2719
02:43:35,900 --> 02:43:38,400
one with another, they became
very slothful.

2720
02:43:38,400 --> 02:43:40,700
And they hearkened not unto the
Commandments of their lord.

2721
02:43:40,900 --> 02:43:43,800
And the enemy came by night and
broke down the Hedge and the

2722
02:43:43,800 --> 02:43:46,000
Servants of the noble.
Men arose and were affrighted

2723
02:43:46,000 --> 02:43:48,900
and fled and the enemy destroyed
their works and broke down the

2724
02:43:48,900 --> 02:43:51,300
olive trees.
Now behold the nobleman the Lord

2725
02:43:51,300 --> 02:43:53,500
of The Vineyard called upon his
servants and said unto them.

2726
02:43:53,600 --> 02:43:55,900
Why what is the cause of this
great evil?

2727
02:43:56,600 --> 02:43:59,600
IE not to have done even as I
commanded you, and after he had

2728
02:43:59,600 --> 02:44:01,800
planted the vineyard and built
the head round about and set

2729
02:44:01,800 --> 02:44:05,600
Watchmen upon the walls of their
of built the Tower also and set

2730
02:44:05,600 --> 02:44:08,600
a Watchman upon the tower and
watched for my Vineyard and not

2731
02:44:08,600 --> 02:44:10,800
have fallen asleep less.
The enemy should come upon you

2732
02:44:11,600 --> 02:44:13,300
and behold the Watchman upon the
tower.

2733
02:44:13,300 --> 02:44:15,800
Would have seen the enemy while
he was yet far off.

2734
02:44:15,900 --> 02:44:18,100
And then, you could have made
ready and kept trip the enemy

2735
02:44:18,100 --> 02:44:20,400
from breaking down the Hedge,
their oven saved my Vineyard

2736
02:44:20,400 --> 02:44:23,200
from the hands of the destroyer.
And the Lord of The Vineyard

2737
02:44:23,200 --> 02:44:26,200
said unto one of his servants.
Go and gather.

2738
02:44:26,300 --> 02:44:29,000
Together the residue of my
servants and take all the

2739
02:44:29,000 --> 02:44:31,700
strength of mine house, which
are my Warriors, my young men

2740
02:44:32,000 --> 02:44:35,000
and they that are of middle-aged
also among all my servants who

2741
02:44:35,000 --> 02:44:37,900
are the strength of mine house,
save, those only who might have

2742
02:44:37,900 --> 02:44:41,400
appointed to Terry and Gogi,
straightway unto the land of my

2743
02:44:41,400 --> 02:44:43,900
Vineyard and redeem, my Vineyard
for it is mine.

2744
02:44:44,000 --> 02:44:47,100
I have bought it with money.
Therefore, get you straight way

2745
02:44:47,100 --> 02:44:49,900
into my land Break Down The
Walls of mine enemies, and throw

2746
02:44:49,900 --> 02:44:52,700
down the tower and Scatter their
Watchman and inasmuch.

2747
02:44:52,700 --> 02:44:55,800
As they gather together against
you avenge me of mine, enemies.

2748
02:44:55,800 --> 02:44:58,900
That by By, I may come with the
residue of mine house and

2749
02:44:58,900 --> 02:45:01,700
possess the land, and the
servants said unto his Lord.

2750
02:45:02,300 --> 02:45:05,400
When shall these things be?
And he said unto his servant

2751
02:45:05,400 --> 02:45:08,400
when I will go east straightway
and do all things whatsoever.

2752
02:45:08,400 --> 02:45:10,700
I have commanded.
You and this shall be my seal

2753
02:45:10,700 --> 02:45:12,600
and blessing upon you a faithful
and wise Steward.

2754
02:45:12,600 --> 02:45:15,900
In the midst of mine House of
ruler in my kingdom and his

2755
02:45:15,900 --> 02:45:18,200
servant went straight way and
did all things whatsoever.

2756
02:45:18,200 --> 02:45:21,800
His Lord commanded him.
And after many days all things

2757
02:45:21,800 --> 02:45:24,800
were fulfilled.
This is a parable of the

2758
02:45:24,808 --> 02:45:29,700
Redemption of Zion.
So, most the, the standard

2759
02:45:29,700 --> 02:45:32,900
interpretation of the church is,
well that only applied in

2760
02:45:32,900 --> 02:45:34,900
science March or science camp,
right?

2761
02:45:34,900 --> 02:45:38,200
Because because that's kind of
in context, that was the current

2762
02:45:38,200 --> 02:45:40,400
event of everything that is
going on, right then?

2763
02:45:41,300 --> 02:45:44,700
However, Has?
I am been redeemed yet?

2764
02:45:45,400 --> 02:45:49,200
No.
So can it have been exclusively

2765
02:45:49,200 --> 02:45:53,300
fulfilled, 170 years ago?
No clearly not.

2766
02:45:53,600 --> 02:45:59,500
And so This has application
today.

2767
02:46:01,200 --> 02:46:05,700
The Watchman that we've
entrusted who God commanded to

2768
02:46:05,700 --> 02:46:09,300
build a tower so he could warn
so that week that the people

2769
02:46:09,300 --> 02:46:12,200
could be worn in the vineyard
protected.

2770
02:46:14,000 --> 02:46:18,600
Instead loaned the money to the
exchangers and they were

2771
02:46:18,600 --> 02:46:22,100
concerned about making, it was a
time of peace and you know

2772
02:46:22,100 --> 02:46:24,600
whatever you want to do it
Covenant with death and Hell In

2773
02:46:24,600 --> 02:46:31,300
the words of Isaiah 28 you know.
So these things R.

2774
02:46:32,800 --> 02:46:37,000
Not exclusively to be
interpreted as applicable to

2775
02:46:37,000 --> 02:46:38,300
1830s.
No.

2776
02:46:39,000 --> 02:46:43,300
No.
And again I hate to speak

2777
02:46:43,800 --> 02:46:47,000
cryptically.
Hmm, but there's some very

2778
02:46:47,000 --> 02:46:50,700
literal things that are
happening and I'm waiting for a

2779
02:46:50,700 --> 02:46:56,200
few more things before I come
forward with it, but they're

2780
02:46:57,300 --> 02:47:02,400
everything you just read is
happened or happening right now.

2781
02:47:02,500 --> 02:47:07,400
Now, right now I'm hoping within
two months, I can.

2782
02:47:08,000 --> 02:47:10,800
Wow.
I speak freely and can speak

2783
02:47:10,800 --> 02:47:12,900
freely and drop this.
But for now, I have to be

2784
02:47:12,900 --> 02:47:16,700
cryptic.
But, no, there there is

2785
02:47:16,700 --> 02:47:19,700
something coming as far as this
podcast.

2786
02:47:19,700 --> 02:47:23,800
Was some information that you
are going to need to know and

2787
02:47:23,800 --> 02:47:27,100
it's not going to be pleasant.
Well, and, and we can't say, we

2788
02:47:27,100 --> 02:47:31,200
haven't been warned, because
it's right there, in black and

2789
02:47:31,200 --> 02:47:34,100
white.
Two sets of people?

2790
02:47:34,200 --> 02:47:39,100
Yes, it's speaking to us as
Mormons and to the lamanites.

2791
02:47:39,100 --> 02:47:41,100
Yep.
That's who the book is for.

2792
02:47:42,000 --> 02:47:45,700
Yeah, and so, Isaiah is for all
of Israel, not just the

2793
02:47:45,700 --> 02:47:49,900
lamanites, but when it's Isaiah
in, the Book of Mormon and Nephi

2794
02:47:49,900 --> 02:47:54,600
is saying, this is specifically
for the seat of Lehigh, that's

2795
02:47:54,600 --> 02:47:59,000
when we can know for sure.
So I know I don't even know what

2796
02:47:59,000 --> 02:48:01,400
time it is, but I'm sure we're
going long, but we're good.

2797
02:48:01,400 --> 02:48:10,500
So Again.
Now go to, I will tell you what

2798
02:48:10,500 --> 02:48:12,600
I will do to my Vineyard.
I will take away the Hedge their

2799
02:48:12,600 --> 02:48:14,700
of, and it shall be eaten up.
And I will break down the wall

2800
02:48:14,700 --> 02:48:16,100
thereof and it shall be trodden
down.

2801
02:48:16,100 --> 02:48:19,200
This is s you 5 15 verse 5 Verse
6.

2802
02:48:19,200 --> 02:48:21,100
I will lay it waste.
It shall not be pruned or

2803
02:48:21,100 --> 02:48:22,600
digged.
There should come a Briars and

2804
02:48:22,600 --> 02:48:24,100
Thorns.
I will command the clouds that

2805
02:48:24,100 --> 02:48:26,100
they rain, no rain upon it.
For the vineyard of the Lord of

2806
02:48:26,100 --> 02:48:28,000
hosts is the house of Israel in
the men of Judah.

2807
02:48:28,000 --> 02:48:31,200
His Pleasant plant and he
looketh for judgment and behold

2808
02:48:31,200 --> 02:48:35,600
oppression for righteousness but
Behold a cry woe unto them.

2809
02:48:35,800 --> 02:48:37,700
That join house to house to
there can be no.

2810
02:48:37,800 --> 02:48:40,700
Place that they may be placed
alone in the midst of the Earth.

2811
02:48:42,200 --> 02:48:45,000
We could go into any so sake of
time.

2812
02:48:46,400 --> 02:48:50,200
I hope I invite anybody who's
listening to this to ponder,

2813
02:48:50,200 --> 02:48:53,100
these verses you don't just read
the whole scriptures and just

2814
02:48:53,100 --> 02:48:55,600
get the spirit and and have your
own inspiration.

2815
02:48:55,600 --> 02:48:59,100
But like, these have significant
personal meaning to me that for

2816
02:48:59,100 --> 02:49:01,800
the sake of time, when I'm not
going to dive into the weeds,

2817
02:49:03,100 --> 02:49:06,600
verse 13, my people are gone
into captivity because they have

2818
02:49:06,600 --> 02:49:09,800
no knowledge and their Honorable
Men are famished and their

2819
02:49:09,800 --> 02:49:13,800
multitude dried up with thirst.
Verse 18, woe unto them that

2820
02:49:13,800 --> 02:49:15,600
draw iniquity with cords of
vanity and sin.

2821
02:49:15,600 --> 02:49:18,700
As it were with the car Trope
that say, let him make speed

2822
02:49:19,000 --> 02:49:22,900
hasten, his work, that we may
see it and let the Council of

2823
02:49:22,908 --> 02:49:25,100
the Holy One of Israel draw nigh
and come that we may know.

2824
02:49:25,100 --> 02:49:28,700
It woe unto them.
That call evil good and good

2825
02:49:28,700 --> 02:49:32,000
evil that put Darkness for light
and light for darkness that put

2826
02:49:32,000 --> 02:49:33,800
bitter for sweet and Sweet for
bitter.

2827
02:49:35,200 --> 02:49:43,200
Recent Church, you know, slogans
and and positions and certain

2828
02:49:43,200 --> 02:49:48,300
bills that were endorsed are
fulfilling these, you know,

2829
02:49:48,300 --> 02:49:53,400
literally Before ice.
So therefore, as the fire with

2830
02:49:53,400 --> 02:49:56,500
fire devoureth, the stubble
verse 24 and the flame consumed

2831
02:49:56,500 --> 02:50:00,000
with the chaff, their route
shall be rottenness and their

2832
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:03,600
blossoms shall go up as dust,
because they have Cast Away.

2833
02:50:03,600 --> 02:50:06,900
The law of the Lord of And
despised the word of the.

2834
02:50:06,900 --> 02:50:10,900
Holy One of Israel.
Who can this apply better to try

2835
02:50:10,900 --> 02:50:12,100
a church?
Yeah.

2836
02:50:14,500 --> 02:50:19,600
Verse chapter 16, verse 11, then
said I Lord how long this is

2837
02:50:19,600 --> 02:50:24,100
Isaiah speaking and he the
answer until the city's be

2838
02:50:24,100 --> 02:50:27,800
wasted without inhabitant and
the houses without man and the

2839
02:50:27,800 --> 02:50:32,300
land be utterly desolate.
There shall be a great forsaking

2840
02:50:32,300 --> 02:50:34,600
in the midst of the land.
Yet, there shall be a tenth.

2841
02:50:34,700 --> 02:50:39,900
They shall return.
So You know, we're in beautiful

2842
02:50:39,900 --> 02:50:45,000
Utah, Wasatch Front, there's
some beautiful cities here, the

2843
02:50:45,000 --> 02:50:47,600
rank amongst a lot of beautiful
cities in the world.

2844
02:50:48,500 --> 02:50:51,500
It's in, it's in the mat
unimaginable, to think, of them

2845
02:50:51,500 --> 02:50:56,900
being wasted without inhabitant.
And yet, how can we think that

2846
02:50:56,900 --> 02:50:58,900
these prophecies will not be
fulfilled?

2847
02:50:59,900 --> 02:51:06,300
Yeah, for some reason.
Whether it's economically,

2848
02:51:06,400 --> 02:51:10,600
whether it's politically,
whether it's in the case of War

2849
02:51:11,000 --> 02:51:14,400
famine, whatever we think it
can't happen to us, and it can't

2850
02:51:14,400 --> 02:51:16,100
happen here.
Mhm.

2851
02:51:16,500 --> 02:51:20,900
Now that my backyard, the Lord.
And, and every time, the Lord

2852
02:51:20,900 --> 02:51:24,900
establishes, the people we go
through something very similar

2853
02:51:24,900 --> 02:51:28,700
where we think can happen us
where he's on our side.

2854
02:51:28,900 --> 02:51:31,200
Yep.
But therein is the problem.

2855
02:51:31,600 --> 02:51:35,500
We think he's on our side we
need to make sure On his side

2856
02:51:35,900 --> 02:51:37,800
right, that we're doing what he
wants.

2857
02:51:38,100 --> 02:51:41,300
And a lot of the things that
we've talked about today and the

2858
02:51:41,300 --> 02:51:44,700
verses we've read out of
scripture have had to do with

2859
02:51:44,700 --> 02:51:46,800
the pride of the heart, right?
Yes.

2860
02:51:46,900 --> 02:51:50,800
And and we need to be humble
enough to be on his side.

2861
02:51:51,900 --> 02:51:57,500
I want to maybe one more quick
thing for our LDS Brothers.

2862
02:51:57,500 --> 02:52:05,300
Yeah, so basically These
Warnings are, were even preach

2863
02:52:05,300 --> 02:52:11,200
from the pulpit up until very
recently and and Ezra Taft

2864
02:52:11,200 --> 02:52:14,100
Benson in general conference in
1980.

2865
02:52:14,500 --> 02:52:16,600
I mean, it's just right before
my eyes.

2866
02:52:16,600 --> 02:52:19,200
I was born too often.
We bask in our comfortable

2867
02:52:19,200 --> 02:52:22,600
complacency and rationalize that
the ravages of War economic

2868
02:52:22,600 --> 02:52:25,200
disaster famine and earthquake
cannot happen here.

2869
02:52:25,600 --> 02:52:28,200
Those who believe this are
either not acquainted with

2870
02:52:28,200 --> 02:52:30,700
Revelations of the Lord or they
do not believe them.

2871
02:52:31,500 --> 02:52:34,100
Those who smugly think these
calamities will not happen that

2872
02:52:34,100 --> 02:52:36,500
they somehow will be set aside
because of the righteousness of

2873
02:52:36,500 --> 02:52:39,600
the Saints are deceived and will
Rue the day.

2874
02:52:39,700 --> 02:52:42,200
They harbored such a delusion.
Wow.

2875
02:52:44,300 --> 02:52:46,800
I was General Conference 43
years ago.

2876
02:52:46,900 --> 02:52:50,600
Yeah.
We it's breathtaking at the

2877
02:52:50,600 --> 02:52:52,900
speed at which we find ourselves
here now.

2878
02:52:53,000 --> 02:52:59,500
Yeah.
I want to share one more thing

2879
02:52:59,600 --> 02:53:02,000
and then I want to ask you a
question here.

2880
02:53:02,000 --> 02:53:04,200
Is we get close to wrapping up?
Sure.

2881
02:53:07,000 --> 02:53:13,000
Again, going back to my friend
Zeke, I remember, I read in

2882
02:53:13,000 --> 02:53:16,400
Jeremiah and lamentation some
stuff that that bugged me.

2883
02:53:16,400 --> 02:53:22,200
This is after I moved to Utah,
when I was probably Council 10

2884
02:53:22,200 --> 02:53:25,400
years after I met him when I
still talk to him, probably once

2885
02:53:25,400 --> 02:53:31,700
a month, but I had asked him.
I said, can you tell me what's

2886
02:53:31,700 --> 02:53:36,600
going on here with Lamentations
and Some of these other verses

2887
02:53:36,600 --> 02:53:42,600
back in, I and Jeremiah.
See, got way quiet.

2888
02:53:43,800 --> 02:53:46,200
He said those aren't meant for
gentiles.

2889
02:53:48,800 --> 02:53:53,300
So, I'm not going to tell you.
So I just continued to Rack my

2890
02:53:53,300 --> 02:53:59,700
brain about it, Z called me a
couple days later and he said I

2891
02:53:59,700 --> 02:54:02,300
just feel like I need to talk to
you about this.

2892
02:54:02,300 --> 02:54:06,500
He's like we're breaking some
some rules here but I feel like

2893
02:54:06,500 --> 02:54:09,400
keep it on the DL, keep it on
the DL but I feel like, you

2894
02:54:09,400 --> 02:54:12,000
know, I need to tell you about
this.

2895
02:54:13,300 --> 02:54:15,800
I said, okay.
He said you need to understand

2896
02:54:16,500 --> 02:54:21,300
that when America took the same
Covenant as Israel.

2897
02:54:22,500 --> 02:54:28,100
They were partakers in the same
blessings but the same cursings.

2898
02:54:28,100 --> 02:54:32,000
If they the same cursings, if
they screw up, I want to read

2899
02:54:32,000 --> 02:54:34,900
something out of Jeremiah.
This is, this is the one that

2900
02:54:34,900 --> 02:54:40,200
got me and this is in Jeremiah
chapter 7 and it starts in verse

2901
02:54:40,200 --> 02:54:43,500
30.
And it was cryptic to me, I

2902
02:54:43,500 --> 02:54:46,700
didn't understand it.
And in verse 30 is starts for

2903
02:54:46,700 --> 02:54:49,700
the children of Judah have done
evil in my sight, saith the

2904
02:54:49,708 --> 02:54:53,700
Lord, they have set their
Abominations in the house, which

2905
02:54:53,700 --> 02:54:56,100
is called by my name to pollute
it.

2906
02:54:58,100 --> 02:55:03,900
Verse 31, and they have built
the high places of tophet, which

2907
02:55:03,900 --> 02:55:08,700
is in the Valley of the son of
hinnom to burn their sons and

2908
02:55:08,700 --> 02:55:11,100
daughters in the fire, which I
commanded them.

2909
02:55:11,100 --> 02:55:14,700
Not neither came it into my
heart.

2910
02:55:15,200 --> 02:55:18,900
Therefore behold the day's
cometh, saith the Lord.

2911
02:55:19,200 --> 02:55:22,700
That it shall no more be called
tophet nor the Valley of the son

2912
02:55:22,700 --> 02:55:27,500
of hinnom, but the valley of
Slaughter for they shall bury

2913
02:55:27,500 --> 02:55:30,900
it.
Barry and taupe fit till there,

2914
02:55:30,900 --> 02:55:35,300
be no place and the carcasses of
his P of this people shall be

2915
02:55:35,300 --> 02:55:39,000
meat for the fowls of the heaven
for the beasts of the earth, and

2916
02:55:39,000 --> 02:55:43,500
None Shall Fray them away.
Then, I will call, cause to

2917
02:55:43,500 --> 02:55:46,800
cease from the cities of Judah.
And from the streets of

2918
02:55:46,800 --> 02:55:51,200
Jerusalem, the voice of Mirth,
and the voice of gladness, and

2919
02:55:51,200 --> 02:55:54,600
the voice of the bridegroom, and
the voice of the Bride for the

2920
02:55:54,600 --> 02:55:59,900
land shall be desolate.
I asked the guy said, tell me

2921
02:55:59,900 --> 02:56:04,400
what that's about and he said
the reason we don't like talking

2922
02:56:04,400 --> 02:56:10,600
about this is because every time
this happens Israel, it's

2923
02:56:10,600 --> 02:56:13,500
decimated and I said, what is
it?

2924
02:56:14,600 --> 02:56:18,300
And he said, what you just read
was a description of the worship

2925
02:56:18,300 --> 02:56:23,900
of Baal.
And he said, I'm going to tell

2926
02:56:23,900 --> 02:56:31,500
you what oral tradition is and
what entailed?

2927
02:56:33,200 --> 02:56:36,800
The worship of ball.
And I think this is the first

2928
02:56:36,800 --> 02:56:40,300
time I've ever related this on
this podcast but I feel what's

2929
02:56:40,300 --> 02:56:44,900
important in talking about end
times prophecy, what would

2930
02:56:44,900 --> 02:56:50,400
happen is?
Is that the worship of all was

2931
02:56:50,400 --> 02:56:53,600
actually a system of worship of
different gods moloch.

2932
02:56:53,600 --> 02:56:56,500
Being one of them all being the
chief amongst them.

2933
02:56:58,400 --> 02:57:02,100
What would happen is let's say
you had a bad crop year.

2934
02:57:02,300 --> 02:57:07,300
Let's just say there was a minor
drought If you were a follower

2935
02:57:07,300 --> 02:57:12,900
of all and it was easy to be a
worshipper, but all because the

2936
02:57:12,900 --> 02:57:17,000
services weren't as they were,
they were more extravagant.

2937
02:57:20,000 --> 02:57:23,100
It was more portable in the
sense of you didn't have this

2938
02:57:23,100 --> 02:57:27,600
one spot being Jerusalem.
You could set it up anywhere as

2939
02:57:27,600 --> 02:57:31,900
long as there was a priest of
ball, but let's say you had a

2940
02:57:31,900 --> 02:57:35,500
bad crop here.
Well, rather than Fall on Your

2941
02:57:35,500 --> 02:57:38,700
Knees and go to Yahweh and ask
for forgiveness.

2942
02:57:39,900 --> 02:57:42,700
If you went to buy all there was
a prescription.

2943
02:57:43,100 --> 02:57:45,200
Okay, this is what I want you to
do.

2944
02:57:45,300 --> 02:57:48,600
The priest would say, I want you
to take a section of your land

2945
02:57:49,600 --> 02:57:52,900
and I want you to return it to
the wild, Let It Go Farrell as

2946
02:57:52,900 --> 02:57:55,900
an offering to Baal and the gods
of nature.

2947
02:57:56,900 --> 02:58:03,200
That's what they would do.
If the drought continued and got

2948
02:58:03,200 --> 02:58:09,000
worse, they next, would
prescribe fertility rites which

2949
02:58:09,000 --> 02:58:11,300
were nothing more than
ritualistic orgies.

2950
02:58:11,400 --> 02:58:14,100
Hmm.
Didn't matter if you were

2951
02:58:14,100 --> 02:58:21,000
married or not.
When that didn't work, Israel

2952
02:58:21,000 --> 02:58:26,300
moved to sacrifice.
Child sacrifice was the

2953
02:58:26,300 --> 02:58:28,900
prescription.
So let's break this all down.

2954
02:58:32,300 --> 02:58:37,300
What was told to me is that this
environmental movement, we're

2955
02:58:37,300 --> 02:58:39,900
worshipping the creation rather
than the Creator.

2956
02:58:40,500 --> 02:58:43,000
And if you look at what they
seek to do, they want to take

2957
02:58:43,300 --> 02:58:47,900
farmland.
And turn it back follow Pharaoh.

2958
02:58:48,700 --> 02:58:51,600
Right?
What does that do to a nation's

2959
02:58:51,600 --> 02:58:54,600
food supply causes it to
dwindle?

2960
02:58:56,100 --> 02:59:00,800
Let's look at at what's next on
the worship of ball.

2961
02:59:01,400 --> 02:59:05,000
This this ritualistic orgy.
Okay, we don't necessarily have

2962
02:59:05,000 --> 02:59:07,300
that prescribed.
But what we do have is a society

2963
02:59:07,300 --> 02:59:09,000
that says, if it feels good, do
it.

2964
02:59:09,800 --> 02:59:12,800
Just go for, infidelity
infidelity whatever.

2965
02:59:12,900 --> 02:59:14,300
Yeah, better not be plural,
marriage.

2966
02:59:14,300 --> 02:59:17,900
Yeah, unless you're faithful to
you, your second better not be

2967
02:59:19,100 --> 02:59:25,300
anything but that, right,
literally, what in Israel in,

2968
02:59:26,100 --> 02:59:30,500
Jewish Society.
One of the things that was most

2969
02:59:30,500 --> 02:59:33,300
important as knowing who your
father were, was your

2970
02:59:33,300 --> 02:59:36,700
genealogical record so to speak,
right?

2971
02:59:36,800 --> 02:59:41,000
We see that over and over again.
That's why the begat verses are

2972
02:59:41,000 --> 02:59:44,700
in there, hmm.
What happens if you're in a

2973
02:59:44,700 --> 02:59:47,300
ritualistic orgy and you get
pregnant?

2974
02:59:49,600 --> 02:59:53,300
It's a sacrifice.
It's a, it's a major shame and

2975
02:59:53,300 --> 02:59:55,200
you can't trace the lineage, any
longer.

2976
02:59:55,700 --> 02:59:57,800
So when it came for sacrifices,
right?

2977
02:59:57,800 --> 03:00:00,300
Because they didn't know which
Partners exactly.

2978
03:00:00,400 --> 03:00:02,400
Now, let's put that in the
modern day contact.

2979
03:00:02,400 --> 03:00:04,900
You have the environmental
movement, turn that stuff back

2980
03:00:04,900 --> 03:00:09,300
ferrule you have the feet.
If it feels good, feels good.

2981
03:00:09,300 --> 03:00:10,300
Do it.
Yeah.

2982
03:00:10,300 --> 03:00:13,300
And what's a natural outgrowth
of that unwanted pregnancies.

2983
03:00:13,600 --> 03:00:15,000
And what's the outgrowth of
that?

2984
03:00:15,200 --> 03:00:19,900
Abortion, abortion we have
followed whether we realize it

2985
03:00:19,900 --> 03:00:25,900
or not, we are worshipping but
all in a large section of this

2986
03:00:26,300 --> 03:00:29,900
country and I would say even
with in Utah oh yeah, I just saw

2987
03:00:29,900 --> 03:00:35,500
a stat that since the Supreme
Court of Utah, put the block on

2988
03:00:35,500 --> 03:00:44,200
the trigger laws, 1523 Abortions
have taken place in that short

2989
03:00:44,200 --> 03:00:46,700
window of time.
It's just a few months, it's

2990
03:00:46,700 --> 03:00:51,400
just a few months.
And Zeke said once Israel went

2991
03:00:51,400 --> 03:00:55,900
to killing their young.
That's when God washed, his

2992
03:00:55,900 --> 03:00:59,800
hands.
That's when the lamentation

2993
03:00:59,800 --> 03:01:03,100
started.
That's ripe, we are right there.

2994
03:01:04,700 --> 03:01:06,300
Now, let me ask you this
question.

2995
03:01:06,300 --> 03:01:08,500
I'm going to ask you to do
something that I never do.

2996
03:01:08,900 --> 03:01:12,000
I don't want to date or anything
like that, but how close do you

2997
03:01:12,000 --> 03:01:14,900
think we are with all the verses
that we have read here today?

2998
03:01:17,000 --> 03:01:19,700
Well, we didn't quite get
through everything I had

2999
03:01:19,700 --> 03:01:25,300
prepared in my mind.
So I every year New Year's

3000
03:01:25,300 --> 03:01:27,700
tradition, as I read the whole
book of Mormon cover to cover, I

3001
03:01:27,700 --> 03:01:30,900
try right?
And you know, got kids, so

3002
03:01:31,000 --> 03:01:35,400
there's some variables there.
But this year I read it with

3003
03:01:35,400 --> 03:01:41,100
this question in front for fund
its which is how close, how

3004
03:01:41,100 --> 03:01:44,500
close are we.
And you know second D Phi

3005
03:01:44,500 --> 03:01:49,000
chapter 19.
Talks about.

3006
03:01:54,300 --> 03:01:56,400
Okay.
Verse 16, the leaders of this

3007
03:01:56,400 --> 03:01:59,100
people cause them to are they
that are LED of them are

3008
03:01:59,100 --> 03:02:04,100
destroyed.
That could be applied

3009
03:02:04,100 --> 03:02:07,300
spiritually, but I think
politically the leaders of the

3010
03:02:07,308 --> 03:02:10,900
United States cause the ice to
are they, that are LED of them

3011
03:02:10,900 --> 03:02:15,500
are destroyed, or will be verse
12 of chapter twenty second, if

3012
03:02:15,500 --> 03:02:18,400
I 20 woe unto them, that decree,
unrighteous decrees that right,

3013
03:02:18,400 --> 03:02:20,900
grievousness?
Which they have prescribed,

3014
03:02:21,600 --> 03:02:24,500
which that was interesting word
choice like I just think.

3015
03:02:24,500 --> 03:02:27,000
Yeah, Pharmaceuticals are
prescription.

3016
03:02:27,000 --> 03:02:28,900
Yeah.
To turn away the needy from

3017
03:02:28,900 --> 03:02:31,600
judgment to take away the right
from the more of my people that

3018
03:02:31,600 --> 03:02:33,800
widows maybe their prey that
they mihrab the farther.

3019
03:02:33,800 --> 03:02:37,400
The fatherless that said, I
think an allusion to Malachi 3

3020
03:02:37,700 --> 03:02:40,900
which is usually used by the
church and other any church to

3021
03:02:40,900 --> 03:02:44,800
say, hey, you need to pay us
more tithing right in context

3022
03:02:44,800 --> 03:02:48,100
though, Malachi chapter 2
clearly says that the people

3023
03:02:48,100 --> 03:02:52,500
being addressed in the Book of
Malachi, are the priests, right?

3024
03:02:52,900 --> 03:02:57,300
And it's the priests that are
robbing God how by withholding

3025
03:02:57,500 --> 03:03:05,300
the tithes from the poor. but,
God will raise up in a Syrian in

3026
03:03:05,300 --> 03:03:08,400
verse 50, a Syrian the rod of
mine anger in the staff in their

3027
03:03:08,400 --> 03:03:10,900
hand, is their indignation.
I will send him against a

3028
03:03:10,900 --> 03:03:15,100
hypocritical nation and against
the people of my wrath will.

3029
03:03:15,100 --> 03:03:18,100
I give him a charge to take the
spoil and to take the prey, and

3030
03:03:18,100 --> 03:03:21,600
To Tread them down like the mire
of the streets howbeit?

3031
03:03:21,800 --> 03:03:25,000
He mean if not, so neither doth
his heart think so.

3032
03:03:25,300 --> 03:03:28,100
But in his heart of his to
destroy and cut off Nations, not

3033
03:03:28,100 --> 03:03:30,700
a few.
The first time I ever

3034
03:03:30,700 --> 03:03:35,700
encountered the Idea of Assyria
being potentially like a Russia.

3035
03:03:37,100 --> 03:03:41,300
Was I read a book by our own
gigliotti, and kids kids, you

3036
03:03:41,300 --> 03:03:44,800
know, the the prophecy of Isaiah
talks about Egypt and Assyria as

3037
03:03:44,800 --> 03:03:48,300
if their contemporaries but
historically they were like

3038
03:03:48,300 --> 03:03:49,700
separated by a couple hundred
years.

3039
03:03:49,700 --> 03:03:52,300
So like how is eyes?
I mean, and Isaiah was not

3040
03:03:52,300 --> 03:03:54,400
contemporary with either.
Like right.

3041
03:03:54,400 --> 03:03:57,600
Egypt was prior to Isaiah Syria
was like 100 years after.

3042
03:03:57,900 --> 03:03:59,500
And so like what's going on
here?

3043
03:03:59,700 --> 03:04:02,700
They are allegorical
descriptions of modern super

3044
03:04:02,700 --> 03:04:06,000
powers in the end times.
Egypt, being the reigning world

3045
03:04:06,000 --> 03:04:09,700
superpower.
Who all the world he you know,

3046
03:04:09,800 --> 03:04:15,100
prosperous riches and treasures
who is just the reigning world,

3047
03:04:15,100 --> 03:04:19,600
superpower military.
Might everything Assyria comes

3048
03:04:19,600 --> 03:04:23,000
out of nowhere, you know, quote
unquote, in the eyes of most

3049
03:04:23,000 --> 03:04:27,400
people and overthrows Egypt.
And I think that the modern

3050
03:04:27,900 --> 03:04:30,800
counterparts to these archetypes
are very clearly, the United

3051
03:04:30,800 --> 03:04:32,400
States is the current modern
super power.

3052
03:04:32,400 --> 03:04:34,300
I mean, you could say the
Western World if you want to

3053
03:04:34,308 --> 03:04:35,900
include the EU and all that
stuff.

3054
03:04:36,300 --> 03:04:44,700
But pretty much Much the u.s. is
the is Egypt and Assyria is a

3055
03:04:44,708 --> 03:04:48,200
nation from the north.
Who will be sent against a

3056
03:04:48,200 --> 03:04:50,100
hypocritical Nation?
I can't think of a more

3057
03:04:50,100 --> 03:04:52,500
hypocritical Nation today than
the United States.

3058
03:04:53,500 --> 03:04:58,200
We say this and that and we do
the opposite as at a collective

3059
03:04:58,200 --> 03:04:59,700
level.
So are you thinking that that

3060
03:04:59,700 --> 03:05:02,000
nation of the north is Russia?
I think so.

3061
03:05:02,400 --> 03:05:05,300
So let me tell you something
else that I had learned.

3062
03:05:07,600 --> 03:05:10,200
Again I should just have Zeke on
here and do this third.

3063
03:05:10,200 --> 03:05:15,900
This would be easier Zeke.
We talked about the dispersion

3064
03:05:15,900 --> 03:05:17,500
and that sort of really.
Yep.

3065
03:05:17,800 --> 03:05:21,800
And one of the things he said is
that the Assyrians went up and

3066
03:05:21,800 --> 03:05:26,900
over the caucus mountains and
settled Russia, Russia,

3067
03:05:27,700 --> 03:05:30,800
interesting.
Well, it's a maybe.

3068
03:05:30,800 --> 03:05:33,000
They're The Descent modern
descendants of ancient Assyria

3069
03:05:33,000 --> 03:05:36,400
and it could lit in a lineage.
Yeah, General logical.

3070
03:05:36,900 --> 03:05:41,800
There, very well could be so.
But anyway, so Assyria kind of

3071
03:05:41,800 --> 03:05:44,100
boasts about, you know, if
you're familiar with this

3072
03:05:44,100 --> 03:05:46,600
second, if I 20, you can read
the whole thing but but

3073
03:05:46,600 --> 03:05:51,600
basically Assyria.
So this Assyria is the wicked

3074
03:05:51,700 --> 03:05:54,700
being used to destroy the
Egyptians the, you know, the

3075
03:05:54,700 --> 03:05:58,500
wicked and and then Assyria the
axe.

3076
03:05:59,700 --> 03:06:03,900
Is taken down a few notches,
because how can the ax post

3077
03:06:03,900 --> 03:06:08,000
against, sure, they know, who he
with their with this is, I think

3078
03:06:08,000 --> 03:06:11,100
a key.
And I want to maybe this is a

3079
03:06:11,100 --> 03:06:14,300
good ending point here for this.
Now, I don't want you to feel

3080
03:06:14,300 --> 03:06:15,700
rushed either.
If there's other stuff you

3081
03:06:15,700 --> 03:06:17,900
wanted to cover, we can do that.
There's plenty.

3082
03:06:18,100 --> 03:06:22,100
But I don't know.
So this can could be a good

3083
03:06:22,100 --> 03:06:25,100
stopping point if we feel after
I share it and we talked about a

3084
03:06:25,100 --> 03:06:31,300
little bit second, if I 20:27
And it shall come to pass in

3085
03:06:31,300 --> 03:06:35,200
that day, that his burden shall
be taken away from off thy

3086
03:06:35,200 --> 03:06:38,400
shoulder and his yoke from off
thy neck.

3087
03:06:38,800 --> 03:06:42,900
And the Yoke shall be destroyed
because of the anointing.

3088
03:06:43,900 --> 03:06:48,800
Mmm.
Now the anointing.

3089
03:06:50,200 --> 03:06:53,400
Whether if your LDS you've
probably never really heard much

3090
03:06:53,400 --> 03:06:57,700
about it, I hadn't the second I
took, it took a lot of digging

3091
03:06:57,700 --> 03:07:03,200
to get some answers there, and
the culmination of the

3092
03:07:03,200 --> 03:07:06,400
restoration is the second
anointing ordinance.

3093
03:07:06,900 --> 03:07:08,900
That's what everything points
to.

3094
03:07:09,700 --> 03:07:13,400
Now, I should say the
culmination of what men mortal

3095
03:07:13,400 --> 03:07:17,000
men can administer to other.
Mortals is the second anointing.

3096
03:07:17,700 --> 03:07:21,500
Obviously, it's a type and a
shadow of Of the future

3097
03:07:21,500 --> 03:07:23,100
ordination under the hand of
God.

3098
03:07:23,100 --> 03:07:25,600
But it is the crowning ordinance
in which the fullness of the

3099
03:07:25,600 --> 03:07:30,500
priesthood is administered from
one mortal to another mortal and

3100
03:07:30,500 --> 03:07:34,000
it's the calling and election
spoken of in the Doctrine and

3101
03:07:34,000 --> 03:07:37,000
Covenants its admission to the
Church of the firstborn.

3102
03:07:37,500 --> 03:07:40,700
And that Holy anointing is the
only thing.

3103
03:07:41,800 --> 03:07:45,800
That will save.
The Gentiles and Israel.

3104
03:07:47,400 --> 03:07:53,400
And it's the thing that it best
at best we can say is reserved

3105
03:07:53,400 --> 03:07:56,100
only for the elite within the
LDS church.

3106
03:07:56,400 --> 03:07:59,000
I'm not convinced that they even
know how to do it anymore.

3107
03:07:59,000 --> 03:08:02,100
Because right there with you
know, we have very limited

3108
03:08:02,100 --> 03:08:08,400
information but Broussard
McConkey kind of Admitted some

3109
03:08:08,400 --> 03:08:12,000
things in and, you know, so it's
a little, it's certainly not

3110
03:08:12,000 --> 03:08:14,800
authoritative.
But there were accounts that

3111
03:08:14,900 --> 03:08:17,500
there were things said in
missionary conferences or, you

3112
03:08:17,500 --> 03:08:21,900
know, that Bruce our McConkey
spoke at that, he was asked well

3113
03:08:21,900 --> 03:08:25,300
what's the second anointing?
Do we do it anymore?

3114
03:08:25,600 --> 03:08:30,000
And Bruce are McConkey, gave
some interesting answers, one of

3115
03:08:30,008 --> 03:08:33,200
which is that.
Yeah, but you don't need it,

3116
03:08:33,700 --> 03:08:39,100
right?
So Oh yeah, but but so it's

3117
03:08:39,100 --> 03:08:42,800
right there.
In Isaiah, the restoration is

3118
03:08:43,000 --> 03:08:48,400
the culmination of all sacred
history going back to Adam, you

3119
03:08:48,400 --> 03:08:58,700
know, that of course but Second
Nephi, chapters 25 through 30

3120
03:08:59,500 --> 03:09:05,800
are the key that unlocks Isaiah
to through whatever it is to 13,

3121
03:09:05,800 --> 03:09:09,900
14 15.
So again, anybody who is

3122
03:09:09,900 --> 03:09:14,000
interested in learning Isaiah,
you have the key right in front

3123
03:09:14,000 --> 03:09:16,200
of you.
It's the Book of Mormon and if

3124
03:09:16,200 --> 03:09:19,000
you, because if you can learn to
read these, you know, 15 20

3125
03:09:19,000 --> 03:09:22,700
chapters of Isaiah and, and have
eyes to see the true.

3126
03:09:22,800 --> 03:09:25,700
In the interpretations and in
the ability to apply by

3127
03:09:25,700 --> 03:09:27,700
inspiration them to us in our
day.

3128
03:09:29,400 --> 03:09:32,800
You, you have the book The
bright locked because it's, I

3129
03:09:32,800 --> 03:09:35,700
mean, it's only 60, something
sixty five chapters to 66

3130
03:09:35,700 --> 03:09:38,300
chapters long.
The Book of Mormon unlocks, a

3131
03:09:38,300 --> 03:09:47,300
third of it, fourth, right?
So, the other thing I would

3132
03:09:47,300 --> 03:09:52,000
invite my fellow Latter-Day
Saints from the LDS church to

3133
03:09:52,000 --> 03:09:57,900
read is second if I chapter 28,
pretty much the whole chapter is

3134
03:10:00,200 --> 03:10:05,000
Prophetic description of our
church right now and also some

3135
03:10:05,200 --> 03:10:09,100
guidance on what to do about it.
Let's let's do this.

3136
03:10:09,100 --> 03:10:13,300
Yeah, because we're sitting
right now at 3 hours and 10

3137
03:10:13,300 --> 03:10:17,200
minutes.
Let's let's set up a date after

3138
03:10:17,200 --> 03:10:19,800
we're done here.
Yeah, and let's break that down.

3139
03:10:19,900 --> 03:10:24,200
Okay, let's break that down
because it s TI 28 and then,

3140
03:10:24,600 --> 03:10:27,000
Mormon eight.
Yeah, let's let's break those

3141
03:10:27,000 --> 03:10:27,700
down.
Okay?

3142
03:10:27,700 --> 03:10:30,600
You and I'll set the date is As
we end recording here and we'll

3143
03:10:30,600 --> 03:10:33,900
set a date to do this again.
Good deal.

3144
03:10:34,100 --> 03:10:36,900
And we'll go that way.
Dude, this was epic.

3145
03:10:36,900 --> 03:10:39,100
This was that was one of my
favorites.

3146
03:10:39,100 --> 03:10:41,700
Oh you asked me for a date, not
a date.

3147
03:10:41,900 --> 03:10:46,300
Okay, well, so day here, I do.
I can share this from a

3148
03:10:46,300 --> 03:10:52,600
strictly, economic and Military
analysis perspective.

3149
03:10:52,600 --> 03:10:58,200
There's a guy named Joel skousen
world affairs, brief.com, he

3150
03:10:58,200 --> 03:11:01,900
only charges flight Fifty bucks
a year for his weekly breakdown

3151
03:11:01,900 --> 03:11:06,100
of current events in analysis.
And I can't say that I 100%

3152
03:11:06,100 --> 03:11:09,200
agree with them on all of his
analysis, but it's one of the

3153
03:11:09,200 --> 03:11:15,900
best, unfiltered discernment
tools to navigate current events

3154
03:11:15,900 --> 03:11:19,600
that there is and I, you know,
he's cleon's nephew and and I

3155
03:11:19,608 --> 03:11:23,000
hope he doesn't mind if I send
him some business, like I have

3156
03:11:23,000 --> 03:11:25,200
no affiliation.
I've shook his hand a couple of

3157
03:11:25,200 --> 03:11:28,100
times talk with him because he's
presented at conversant

3158
03:11:28,100 --> 03:11:29,600
conferences that I've attended.
Ended.

3159
03:11:30,000 --> 03:11:34,000
And, you know, I have a great
respect for Joel skousen, but so

3160
03:11:34,000 --> 03:11:38,400
he has back a background in
Military Intelligence, and he

3161
03:11:38,400 --> 03:11:41,600
has connections, throughout the
world, in various circles.

3162
03:11:41,600 --> 03:11:45,800
And, and he is, he's just got
the spirit of discernment in a

3163
03:11:45,800 --> 03:11:50,100
lot of ways and he has economic
understanding, like he is, he's

3164
03:11:50,100 --> 03:11:54,300
the real deal.
He is one of the few that has

3165
03:11:54,300 --> 03:11:59,500
never Got may have been a false
prophet because he will not set

3166
03:11:59,500 --> 03:12:02,300
dates and so I would, I would be
similar to Jewel.

3167
03:12:02,500 --> 03:12:06,100
I'm not going to set a day or
anything like that, but where

3168
03:12:06,100 --> 03:12:12,000
are we on the map?
We so this whole thing with

3169
03:12:12,000 --> 03:12:17,300
Ukraine was Watershed because
prior to Ukraine, Russia was an

3170
03:12:17,300 --> 03:12:22,700
ally All of the media.
Everything was like, pro-russia.

3171
03:12:22,800 --> 03:12:26,800
I mean a little bit in the Trump
campaign of 2016 where the will

3172
03:12:26,800 --> 03:12:30,400
Media or a trump Russian
collusion, manipulated the

3173
03:12:30,400 --> 03:12:34,600
election, like all this election
fraud which was just nonsense

3174
03:12:35,400 --> 03:12:37,700
compared to the actual fraud
that happened in 2020.

3175
03:12:38,100 --> 03:12:44,900
But so so Russia had been the
enemy the arch enemy, the Soviet

3176
03:12:44,900 --> 03:12:48,600
Union the you know, the
Communist villain.

3177
03:12:49,500 --> 03:12:53,300
For all those decades during the
Cold War and then when the

3178
03:12:54,400 --> 03:12:59,000
communism fell quote unquote in
1990 or was it 91 the Berlin

3179
03:12:59,000 --> 03:13:02,000
Wall came down and everything we
won.

3180
03:13:02,600 --> 03:13:05,900
Now Russia is our friend,
they're they're not bad anymore

3181
03:13:05,900 --> 03:13:08,100
there, you know.
And so we're going to send them

3182
03:13:08,100 --> 03:13:10,700
all this funding.
We're going to oh well we're not

3183
03:13:10,700 --> 03:13:12,800
going to worry about them
anymore because they're they're

3184
03:13:12,800 --> 03:13:17,300
communism fell and they're a
democratically-elected country

3185
03:13:17,300 --> 03:13:20,900
and all this stuff.
Meanwhile they didn't fall, they

3186
03:13:20,900 --> 03:13:23,000
just went underground.
It's a huge historical

3187
03:13:23,000 --> 03:13:26,900
deception, and Joel can prove it
like irrefutably.

3188
03:13:27,200 --> 03:13:31,000
And so communist Russia has
always been communist Russia.

3189
03:13:31,200 --> 03:13:34,000
But we had a cover story to
justify.

3190
03:13:34,000 --> 03:13:37,600
Sending all this billions and
billions in Aid and military

3191
03:13:37,900 --> 03:13:40,800
supply and stuff.
What have they been planning to

3192
03:13:40,800 --> 03:13:44,300
do with it?
Destroy America, they've been

3193
03:13:44,300 --> 03:13:46,100
stockpiling and arming up
forever.

3194
03:13:46,400 --> 03:13:50,800
And this thing about Ukraine was
Was positioning it was they you

3195
03:13:50,800 --> 03:13:54,300
know it was a huge
miscalculation on Putin's part

3196
03:13:55,700 --> 03:13:58,000
because I don't think he
expected it to be this long and

3197
03:13:58,000 --> 03:13:59,600
drawn out and have so much
resistance.

3198
03:13:59,600 --> 03:14:02,600
He alone we're going to roll in
just like we rolled into other

3199
03:14:02,600 --> 03:14:05,800
places plenty of times and the
US did nothing and the world

3200
03:14:05,800 --> 03:14:09,000
just turned a blind eye.
And but there's a turning point

3201
03:14:09,000 --> 03:14:12,600
Joel has been predicting for
years that when when Russia

3202
03:14:12,600 --> 03:14:15,700
again becomes the enemy, that's
a big deal.

3203
03:14:16,600 --> 03:14:19,800
Because while we pretend that
they're our friends, it's still

3204
03:14:19,800 --> 03:14:22,000
going to be a few years out,
right?

3205
03:14:22,200 --> 03:14:26,500
The other thing is Russia is not
quite ready yet the because to

3206
03:14:26,500 --> 03:14:29,900
take on the US military is no
joke and Russia is probably

3207
03:14:29,900 --> 03:14:33,100
going to have to collude with
China to be able to pull it off

3208
03:14:33,100 --> 03:14:38,400
because the u.s. is very, you
know, we've decimated our forces

3209
03:14:38,400 --> 03:14:41,400
with these mandatory
vaccinations that have been

3210
03:14:41,400 --> 03:14:43,400
catastrophic.
If this I don't know if you've

3211
03:14:43,400 --> 03:14:45,000
looked into the Health Data.
Oh yeah.

3212
03:14:45,300 --> 03:14:48,400
But so like Is that's been
catastrophic from a smooth

3213
03:14:48,900 --> 03:14:55,100
Manpower Personnel standpoint
technologically, the Democratic

3214
03:14:55,100 --> 03:14:59,200
administrations have notoriously
defunded and the and the

3215
03:14:59,200 --> 03:15:02,700
Republican administrations have
squandered it.

3216
03:15:02,700 --> 03:15:05,800
Come on stupid Wars of
intervention in the Middle East

3217
03:15:05,800 --> 03:15:09,100
in any elsewhere.
So like the military is very

3218
03:15:09,100 --> 03:15:13,700
weak but even in its weak state,
it is a force to be reckoned

3219
03:15:13,700 --> 03:15:16,000
with and and the China and
Russia on.

3220
03:15:16,200 --> 03:15:18,000
First.
And that, so they're not willing

3221
03:15:18,000 --> 03:15:21,200
to engage before, they are
pretty sure they can win.

3222
03:15:21,500 --> 03:15:25,000
Now, if there was a domestic
thing, like I actually, you

3223
03:15:25,000 --> 03:15:27,900
know, at the beginning of this
conversation, we talked about

3224
03:15:27,900 --> 03:15:31,000
the White Horse prophecy because
those internal riots like the

3225
03:15:31,000 --> 03:15:32,600
black lives matter stuff that
was going on.

3226
03:15:32,800 --> 03:15:34,600
That were sweeping the country
everywhere.

3227
03:15:35,700 --> 03:15:42,100
I thought that could be used to
foment a civil war I'm not sure

3228
03:15:42,100 --> 03:15:45,500
it wasn't it, maybe it distant
happened but it could have been

3229
03:15:45,500 --> 03:15:48,100
a possible intention behind
those types of, you know,

3230
03:15:48,100 --> 03:15:50,400
feeding those fires, follow the
money on them.

3231
03:15:50,500 --> 03:15:53,700
Yeah, so yeah, because it's it
was like a dumpster fire and

3232
03:15:53,700 --> 03:15:57,300
then we instead of putting it
out they threw gas on it and it

3233
03:15:57,300 --> 03:15:59,000
could have gone nuclear.
Yep.

3234
03:15:59,000 --> 03:16:02,200
But anyway it didn't but I
questioned at that point.

3235
03:16:02,200 --> 03:16:06,600
Wow.
Are we on the brink of military

3236
03:16:07,000 --> 03:16:10,300
World War 3?
Joel skousen, still pretty

3237
03:16:10,300 --> 03:16:13,300
consistent.
It's probably with by the year

3238
03:16:13,300 --> 03:16:17,100
2030, but he's been saying five
to 10 years out for the last 15

3239
03:16:17,100 --> 03:16:21,000
years, right?
And he's willing to move because

3240
03:16:22,200 --> 03:16:25,400
a, he's not claiming to be a
prophet, he's not making claims,

3241
03:16:25,400 --> 03:16:32,900
God himself said, you shouldn't,
you shouldn't repent, because

3242
03:16:32,900 --> 03:16:35,400
you have acknowledged, it should
be a face.

3243
03:16:35,400 --> 03:16:37,500
It should be an exercise of
faith.

3244
03:16:37,700 --> 03:16:40,600
If you knew it was, Gonna go
down if World War 3 was going to

3245
03:16:40,608 --> 03:16:47,300
start on September 21st 2028 and
you knew that you could repent

3246
03:16:47,400 --> 03:16:50,300
boy, the world will bid a lot
like the MTC when young men go

3247
03:16:50,300 --> 03:16:52,800
in there before the gone in.
That's right.

3248
03:16:52,800 --> 03:16:55,200
But that's not the nature of how
God works.

3249
03:16:55,300 --> 03:17:00,000
Ultimately, he tries our faith
and if we are going to repent do

3250
03:17:00,000 --> 03:17:06,000
it now if we're not going to
repent, then why would he throw

3251
03:17:06,000 --> 03:17:08,500
us a sign?
We could set a date.

3252
03:17:08,800 --> 03:17:11,800
Absolute and and frankly, that
would be messing with our

3253
03:17:11,800 --> 03:17:14,800
agency.
Well, the other thing I would

3254
03:17:15,100 --> 03:17:19,700
dare to say to its thoughts,
I've had is that we keep looking

3255
03:17:19,700 --> 03:17:21,500
for a date a Time.
Hmm.

3256
03:17:21,600 --> 03:17:23,400
I don't think the Lord operates
like that.

3257
03:17:23,400 --> 03:17:27,100
I think he operates by
Milestones when you cross this

3258
03:17:27,100 --> 03:17:29,400
line.
Well, shoot 911.

3259
03:17:29,600 --> 03:17:31,600
Yeah.
That was a milestone.

3260
03:17:31,900 --> 03:17:36,600
And for some strange reason
because we were heading really

3261
03:17:36,600 --> 03:17:41,400
quick but then in 2008.
Somehow the clock stopped.

3262
03:17:42,600 --> 03:17:44,900
I don't know why.
I mean, I can, I can speculate,

3263
03:17:44,900 --> 03:17:47,800
but, but really A lot of the
things that we're seeing.

3264
03:17:47,800 --> 03:17:52,200
Now we're probably delayed by 10
15 year span.

3265
03:17:52,400 --> 03:17:55,900
And I think it was, you know, if
we go to Jacob 5, the servant of

3266
03:17:55,900 --> 03:18:00,200
the lord of the vineyard, God's
like should we burn this thing

3267
03:18:00,200 --> 03:18:03,400
to the ground and the servants
like spared a little longer?

3268
03:18:03,600 --> 03:18:08,700
Yeah, and I think that on, for
the sake, of those who are yet

3269
03:18:08,800 --> 03:18:14,800
to repent, God will not destroy
until he already knows that.

3270
03:18:14,800 --> 03:18:17,100
Nobody else is going to repent,
right?

3271
03:18:17,800 --> 03:18:20,400
And I think we've been given
some extra time, so let's not

3272
03:18:20,400 --> 03:18:24,500
squander it and it could be in
57 years.

3273
03:18:25,300 --> 03:18:29,400
It might be next year, it might
be in 20 years All I know is we

3274
03:18:29,400 --> 03:18:33,000
keep checking boxes.
Yes we just keep checking those

3275
03:18:33,000 --> 03:18:35,800
boxes key.
Yes and exits on the interface

3276
03:18:36,300 --> 03:18:37,800
Howard is.
You want to put it?

3277
03:18:38,000 --> 03:18:40,400
Yeah.
And we've certainly passed the

3278
03:18:40,400 --> 03:18:43,200
point of no return, right?
I believe there's no there's no

3279
03:18:43,700 --> 03:18:46,100
stemming it at this point I
believe you're right.

3280
03:18:46,300 --> 03:18:48,800
So dude what's it?
Another date.

3281
03:18:48,800 --> 03:18:50,100
Have you back on?
Do it?

3282
03:18:50,100 --> 03:18:51,300
Thanks for having me.
Dude.

3283
03:18:51,300 --> 03:18:53,000
This has been so great.
I appreciate you.

3284
03:18:53,000 --> 03:18:55,200
Coming over blessing.
Awesome State.

3285
03:18:55,400 --> 03:18:56,800
Thanks everybody.
See ya.

3286
03:19:10,700 --> 03:19:13,900
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