Episode #51: Debunking the Claim That "Joseph Smith Didn't Teach & Live Plural Marriage" Plus Scriptural Proof of the Principles Divinity W/Kimberly Watson Smith

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So today on the podcast, I have
on Kimberly Watson Smith.

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Now, for those of my listeners
who have been with me from the

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beginning here, you'll remember
that I had her on the podcast,

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just about a year ago to debunk,
the movie who killed Joseph

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Smith.
Well, the same folks that are

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perpetuating that falsehood are
now piling on making the claim

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that Joseph never introduced or
practice plural marriage.

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So Kimberly and I have a
conversation to bunking that

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idea.
Now Kimberly doesn't just

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debunked the idea that Joseph
never Were taught her practice

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plural, marriage, through
historical accounts.

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But she then Dives deep into the
scriptures to prove that

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Celestial plural.
Marriage is a true principle.

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paper handy throughout this

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dive and you want to write down

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go back and read later prepare

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Renegade podcast.

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Kimberly.
Thanks for coming back on.

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Thanks for having me, Dave, I'm
excited to be here.

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I'm excited to have you here.
I gotta tell you our

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conversation.
We had last time was was want.

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Definitely, you know, in the top
two or three of my favorites.

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We get, I just, I always love
how you just come prepared and

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you got your facts straight and
it's absolutely awesome.

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So, thank you very much.
The recently, as we talked

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before on the phone, one of the
things I'm noticing is that At

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now, what last time we talked,
it was about, you know,

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debunking the movie who killed
Joseph Smith and just showing

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the falsehoods, and just the
kind of absurdity of the whole

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whole thing.
But now they're really making a

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push on Joseph and Brigham and
and they're making the the

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assertion that plural marriage
was Brigham Young's idea, right?

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Right.
Oh yes.

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And that Joseph never taught
plural marriage.

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He never lived.
Plural.

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Marriage in your estimation.
What's the danger of that?

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Oh, that's a very good question.
So yeah, I think we definitely

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have to consider the
implications of that and when

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you get to the heart of the
Joseph fought politically

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movement, where they try to
claim that it was Brigham Young,

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who was the author of Mormon
polygamy, and not Joseph.

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The heart of that movement is
that that they don't believe in

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priesthood. and that's the very
heart of it, right, but it's

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disguise under this Umbrella of
we're just seeking truth and we

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only want truth and historical
record is playing that.

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Joseph Smith, fought polygamy
until the day he died.

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And then Brigham took over the
church for power and polygamy

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and any Authority that the
church had at the time died with

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Joseph Smith.
So ultimately it is an attack on

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Authority and priesthood, right?
Right.

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So why are they fighting so hard
against priesthood?

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Right?
Because that was something that

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Joseph revealed a ton about.
Right?

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It's pretty hard for from a
restorationist kind of

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standpoint.
It's pretty hard to separate

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this idea of priesthood and and
the restored gospel what is it

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about priesthood that they're
not liking?

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Right?
So that's a really important

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question because it's not so
much.

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Well, it is priesthood.
It's like when I've had

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conversations with people and I
start asking the hard questions

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and I flush out what they're
really trying to tell me.

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It always comes down to that.
This is about proving that the

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church doesn't have priesthood.
That the church doesn't have

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authority, the Brigham Young, a
serp The Authority because

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ultimately who they are
promoting is Is this somebody

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else some other group?
Some other person has Authority.

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Okay.
And so it's ultimately about

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that.
So, if you take out, Brigham

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Young, right, you don't just
take out the, it's more of

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priesthood line of succession or
priesthood passing on of a

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mantle to Brigham Young because
if you take away that mantle and

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you take away Brigham Young, you
don't just take away Authority

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priesthood but then you can take
away.

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Away any of the ordinances such
as Temple ordinances and any

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other teaching or doctrine that
they don't like that Joseph.

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The Brigham Young ultimately
Unseal to us that he had

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received through Joseph Smith.
I got you.

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It's amazing that that Brigham
seems to be the linchpin in this

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whole thing right now.
Certainly Joseph is you know the

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the head of the restoration but
boy Brigham seems to be the

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linchpin that everybody wants to
go after.

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And I don't know if that's
because they don't like what

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Brigham taught, they don't like
Bergens demeanor.

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I just don't understand what
what the Animus is towards that,

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man.
I mean, he Hehehe leads, a

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people into the high mountain
desert and carves out a

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civilization that would become
one of the predominant cities

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certainly in the Western United
States.

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And I would say it probably
Rivals as far as culture and and

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Industry any other City within
the United States.

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And so you think that a guy who
was able to do that would be

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lauded but that's not the case.
Oh yeah, definitely not.

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It's again, I think it comes
down to.

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Okay, so we have a parallel
going on here, right?

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It's so after the death of
Joseph Smith, you have everybody

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who's coveting, Brigham Young's
presupposition, okay?

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Even before the Transfiguration
of Brigham Young, he is the

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president of the Quorum of The
Twelve Apostles, right?

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That that responsibility to then
lead the church, even if he's

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not Not even if you can say,
he's not replacing Joseph Smith

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that that responsibility to lead
the church bell on his

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shoulders, by virtue of the fact
that he's president of the

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Quorum of The Twelve Apostles
and the rest of the first

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presidency of Joseph Smith,
right?

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They fell into apostasy William
law.

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Joseph Smith actually cut Sidney
Rigdon off from the church and

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1843 people don't I do that that
history has been clouded but he

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had written a letter to
basically to the Our church and

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ask them to spread abroad that
he wasn't going to sustain or

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support Sidney Rigdon anymore.
So it came down to a bunch of

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men in Abu who coveted Brigham
Young's presupposition and in

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order to basically try to take
that preset away from him or

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the, you know, the idea that
he's the rightful successor,

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they have to then attack him.
And they attack him on the one

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doctrine that hadn't been
introduced to the church as a

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whole yet.
They can easily use to

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manipulate people with and that
was the doctrine of plural

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marriage.
Gotcha.

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So who are the players involved
is?

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It is it just in Griffin still?
I mean who were the players

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involved here?
That are really pushing this

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idea.
That Joseph Smith didn't

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practice.
Nor did he teach plural

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marriage.
You know I like I like in my

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video I made Joseph Papp
polygamy the resurrection of an

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old earliest narrative.
Ultimately, the source is right,

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it comes.
It's a resurrection of the old

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our lbs narrative so, but those
pushing it today are the

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prominent leaders.
In this movement, I'll say our

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number One never Snuffer.
And then the doctrine of Christ

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leaders in the doctrine of
Christ movement, which they've

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kind of mingle together now,
right?

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That would be Justin Griffin and
there's also other leaders, why

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won't say leaders?
I just lie there, the most vocal

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Whitney horning, she's also, she
presents herself as a member of

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the LDS.
Yes church.

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But she's converted to suffer is
mm-hmm.

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And you know who Denver Snapper
is I'm assuming?

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Yeah, yeah, okay.
So Denver Snapper is so right.

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So she's presented.
And when she I guess when she

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wrote her book revealing Joseph
I don't know if you've heard of

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that book.
I haven't.

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Okay, so with me horning in 2019
as a member of the LDS church

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wrote a book called revealing
Joseph.

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Where she take Cakes.
Basically the same arguments

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from the earliest church and,
and then writes in a book and

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and then presents it to write
members of the church and starts

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converting them to this
narrative.

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But while she's claiming to be a
member of the church, she'd

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actually already spiritually
left.

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The church and was converted to
Denver Snapper.

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So she's been influential in the
Joseph fought polygamy movement

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where she is actually converting
email dies to that idea.

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And so there's her.
And then there's also Michelle

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Stone, who is still a practicing
member of the church who has her

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podcast and I don't, I won't
give the name, so because I'm

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not going to give her ever ties
admit.

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But but she is mingled with,
like, Justin Griffin and Whitney

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horny.
Like she has.

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These are the people that she
interviews on her podcast.

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She spoke at Justin Griffin's
premier In on January 19th.

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So helping to promote his movie
who killed Joseph Smith Park,

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three of who killed Joseph Smith
will be on Brigham Young taking

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over with the church for power
and polygamy and trying to prove

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that polygamy started with
Brigham Young that Joseph Smith.

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So what kind of not going away,
right, right.

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What kind of facts are they
using to back this argument up?

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All right, well actually, they
just fax is a loose term.

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Oh my God, what what kind of
what do they purport is

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evidence?
How's that?

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Oh, that's a good question.
Shin so it so, okay.

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So you have to understand the
history, which I'm assuming you

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do plural marriage in novel and
what was going on.

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So I'll just go over a few
things like so it's interesting

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whenever I See the debate on
social media.

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Over the Joseph Papp polygamy,
it's the same recycled quotes

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over and over again that they
keep it's like they keep

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pounding the same key and they
plan on paper people's

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ignorance.
So the three quotes that they

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use are where Joseph Smith said,
what a thing it is to be accused

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of committing adultery and
having seven wives when I can

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finally one.
And I want to talk about that

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because that is only a small
part.

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Part of a larger sermon, okay?
When you extrapolate one

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sentence from an entire sermon,
you can twist it to make people

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believe whatever you want.
Right?

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Right.
So that's one of the arguments,

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is that quote, then they take
their from the Joseph Smith

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papers, they take original
Source document And they, they

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try to show that they were
changed.

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But again, we need to talk about
that too, because when you

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actually get down to the heart
of it, they weren't changed the

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way they think that they were
changed.

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Okay, those are.
Those are the made two

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arguments, and then of course,
they use quotes that either have

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been debunked or aren't reliable
their secondhand quotes or their

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coats from Like unsourced
quotes, for example, take a

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quote supposably that came from.
Phoebe book of a drift that says

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she that basically says that she
preaches in public, that

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polygamy is a true Doctrine but
she actually hates it and she

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only does it so she's not thrown
out of the street.

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Wow.
And then, but but when you get

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to the source of that quote, it
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anti-polygamy standard and it
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So it's not even a reliable
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me.
I was just saying, no, it's not,

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it's pretty.
It sounds like it's pretty

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shoddy history, right?
But then when you actually read

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TV woodruff's autobiography,
she's bearing a powerful.

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Witness of the truthfulness of
plural, marriage.

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And how she received her
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Joseph Smith.
So there's it just plays on

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people's either ignorance of
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emotions.
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aren't even fact checking their
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Okay.
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So let's talk about the context
because that wouldn't you quoted

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of Joseph Smith where he says,
you know, what a thing it is for

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a man to be accused of having
seven wives, when I can find

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only one Let's talk about the
greater context there.

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What was you said that they took
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really narrowed in on it?
What was the larger context of

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what it was?
He was speaking about there

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then.
Okay, I'm just going to pull up

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some notes here so we kind of
have to understand what was

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going on in Abu at the time,
right?

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So you have Joseph Smith.
He's first trying to introduce

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our marriage in Malibu, he and,
and the Lord tell basically, for

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forbids For making a public,
right?

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Right.
And so, so if you look at that

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section 132, when the Lord is
actually revealing the doctrine

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to Joseph Smith, what did he
say?

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Joseph Smith says he received
the Revelation, because he

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walked he was inquiring on the
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Justified his servants Abraham,
Isaac, and Jacob of having more

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than one wife.
And so, how does the Lord

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respond to Joseph Smith?
He says, As prepare your mind

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right?
Right it.

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So number one, it requires a
person to prepare their mind to

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receive an understanding or
knowledge of of this Doctrine.

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And so as the Lord is, then now
commanding Joseph Smith.

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Okay, he's received this
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then the word finally says,
okay, it's time To introduce it,

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right?
It's time to start living it as

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a people.
So, in Abu, he's not revealing

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it to the church, as a whole,
he's revealing it to those whose

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Minds have been prepared to
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Okay.
Right.

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So it's on an individual
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with men, who have not only
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who were spiritually ready to
receive this additional light

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and knowledge, right?
Okay, yep.

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Okay, so I just want to get the
whole background because no, I

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think this is great.
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So because it tells a completely
different story when you have

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like the whole background.
So as Joseph Smith is

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introducing this Doctrine again
through private interviews and

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confidential means he's then.
Of course, you get you start to

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get the rumors out there of
other men.

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Who have got gotten wind of this
Doctrine and then they start

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teaching it.
Right there, eating teaching at

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themselves, according to their
own understanding, or you have

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like, John seabed, that right,
who takes the doctrine, and he

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twists it.
And he uses it to his Advantage

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by saying, Joseph has has
sanctioned this practice, and

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then he's using it to seduce
women for his own purposes.

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Classy.
Right.

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So we we have John C Bennett.
Spiritual wife is MM, which is

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completely It's it's not I won't
even say it's a counterfeit.

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It's it's it's I practice of his
own make, right?

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He's going to women.
He's saying this is what Joseph

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Smith doing, and then they, he's
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He's just seducing them right in
saying, it's okay because we're

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spiritually married.
So, and not just a complete

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Abomination to what the doctrine
of celestial /?

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Married was sure, but you have
hand, right?

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And so then Joseph Smith is
going around and he's like

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saying if any Elders top
preaching, you're practicing for

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marriage, he will be cut off of
the Church.

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So why is he saying that?
Because there was no Elder that

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had the authority to preach or
practice plural, marriage

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without Joseph Smith, the
doorway right?

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Right and dr.
Covenants section 132 it says on

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this law, what is that law?
That only the one who held the

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authority could teach it and and
then could reveal it and then it

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was by his.
He could approve or disapprove

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any any plural, marriage, right?
So so then you have so, right?

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So then you have these Elders
thinking, oh, there's this new

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doctrine that says, by virtue of
the priesthood.

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I can have as many wives as I
please, so, then Joseph Smith

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is, like, having to correct
that.

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No, this is not reset itself.
Does not entitle you have more

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than one wife, right?
You think it's based on a

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certain law by my authority and
you don't have a right to teach

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this.
So he's pretty, he's going

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through Nauvoo, trying to then.
Correct with John C, Bennett's

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teaching.
And then what these other Elders

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are teaching?
Well, let me stop you right.

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Yeah, that makes sense.
Let me stop you right there.

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Because as you were saying that,
I think we have historic

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precedents for when members of
the church kind of took a

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Doctrine and just ran with it.
Right?

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If you remember, when Joseph
institute's baptisms for the

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dead, you know, they go down to
the river and they just start

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going at it, right?
And and Joseph's like slow your

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roll.
We need to make sure that we're

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documenting this and that we
have these things in order.

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So it's not an isolated
incident, that members of The

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church here about a principle
and just go for it.

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And then Joseph's got to come
back and be like, take a breath.

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Let's do this, right.
Right?

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And that's important point to
bring up because they were the

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even with the baptisms for the
dead.

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They were like, women were being
baptized for men and they're

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kind of like, no, no, there's an
order for this.

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You, you know, like you said,
we've got to make sure they're

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recorded, and we have to make
sure that women are being has

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for women and has to be members
of your family and things like

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that.
So, yeah, he has to write.

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I think the Saints got, you
know, like bless their hearts.

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They were like, okay, we're
gonna just start obeying without

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understanding.
That there's Bounds at the Lord

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has set.
And, you know, there's a law,

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they have to follow, and so
that's three.

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So that's another attack, right?
That they make against Joseph

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Smith is, there's no way he
would do something.

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And what they say is secret,
when it really wasn't secret,

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right?
It was It was Private.

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Yeah, well we're not going to
announce this to the world,

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right?
Because these are sacred

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doctrines that we don't cast
your Pearls Before Swine, right?

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And Jesus Christ didn't do that.
He took, he took his Apostles up

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to the Mount of transfiguration,
he taught them higher laws and

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he said don't make these known
until after I've resurrected and

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so Joseph Smith.
The same thing.

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We are not going to announce
this to the world.

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Right.
We're not going to know this to

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the public or even the church as
a whole.

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Whose Minds have not been
prepared to receive these

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things.
No secrets, right?

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Right.
Who's prepared to right?

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Yep.
You know, I think, yeah, I think

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the other thing here too, is
that there's a reason.

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The Lord told him to keep that
kind on the DL.

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For a little while, Joseph was
almost killed several times,

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just for saying Hey, look
there's there's another book of

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scripture here, right?
That was that was bad enough,

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but when you now go in and
start, upsetting Victorian

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sensibilities.
I mean that would have set the

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whole place on fire and
ultimately did.

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Right?
I mean, even even the Saints

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moving outside, the United
States did not stop the

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oppression from happening once
once everybody found out about

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it.
Right.

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Well, founded fear, right?
And and even when you read the

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stories of the men, and the
women who Joseph Smith is

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teaching this to, you have like
women who are like well, this is

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repugnant to my sensibilities
and and then Joseph is saying,

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will you go and receive a
testimony, right?

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And so you have feminine who are
then they're taught the

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principle by Joseph Smith and
then they actually have to

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receive their own witness.
Yep.

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And they go.
They it's not none of them a

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great.
Like, we have this idea that

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these women were just coerced or
they were duped, but when you

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actually get to the heart of it
and these women, they go and

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they they know, Joseph Smith's
at your profit, they know he's

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not going to teach any doctrine
that is contrary to the order of

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heaven.
And then they go with that faith

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and they pray, and they don't
just receive an answer by the

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power of the Holy Ghost, many of
them receive Angelic,

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visitation.
They are they receive Visions,

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they have the heavens opened,
they're shown far to Eternity,

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they come back and they say, I
know this is from God and then

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they enter into the practice
with full knowledge, full use of

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their agency.
So anyway, getting back to like,

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think about leading up to that
quote, right?

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Yeah.
So so that's why it was so

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important to Joseph Smith that
not any other.

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Is out just publicizing this
Doctrine to the world.

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Is trying to teach it for
themselves, according to their

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own understanding, right?
It's like this has to be done.

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In the correct way.
And ultimately, by Joseph Smith,

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Who had, who was the one who
held the key, right?

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That could that knew who were
who was prepared, but then also

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who the Lord had commanded to
practice it because not,

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everybody was commanded to
practice it, right?

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And even Joseph Smith, when he
was commanded to take four

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wives, the lord gave him the
names of the women.

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It wasn't just women.
He was like, oh, she's pretty.

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Right.
It's the Lord said, these are

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the specific women that need to
enter into this order with you.

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So then we have so there.
I think the first part marriage

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enough view was in 1841 and then
so he's and that was personally

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with Joseph Smith and Louisa
Beeman but then you know, at the

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same time he's then sealing
other men to more than one wife.

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and then, finally, Hyrum Smith
for a time.

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It's important understand the
higher Smith for a time.

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He did fight against the
principle until he learned for

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himself that it was true.
And then he, That Was Then he

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became like the biggest advocate
for plural marriage.

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And he got really excited to
teach the doctrine and so he

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introduces it to the novel.
How Council in 1843 And after he

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entered his visit to the novel
High Council, there were two men

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specifically that not only
rejected it but got very angry

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and bitter over it.
William law and William Marks.

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Hmm.
Your are you familiar with this

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history?
I'm familiar with William law

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but not marks.
Yeah.

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So William Marks he was he was,
he was, he did Nabu High Council

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president.
He became conflicted and

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William, especially it William
law, and his wife became

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extremely conflicted.
And so, William law is like he

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goes to Joe.
So he and he was introduced by

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Hiram.
He asked her if he could, if he

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could have a copy, the
Revelation and him, and his wife

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could read and ponder, it, They
took it and they read it and

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pondered it.
This is according to William

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Moss diary, so and then he, they
don't accept it, they completely

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reject.
It, it was like their minds

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become darkened, I'm sure
through other sins, but their

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minds have become darkened and
they're not only like this isn't

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a true Doctrine there.
Now that he now seeks to fight

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against that.
He goes to Joseph Smith and he's

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like, so William laws, like
begging Joseph Smith not to

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introduce it.
Right.

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And he says, and then he tells
them.

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If you do not introduce this we
will become the largest

453
00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:10,100
Christian Church.
The world has ever seen.

454
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,200
And Joseph is like well that's
not the purpose right?

455
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,600
It's not about becoming the most
popular right?

456
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,900
He's like I have to introduce
this or we will be damned as a

457
00:28:20,908 --> 00:28:27,300
people and then ever since then
William blah became Joseph

458
00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:32,100
Smith's, biggest Evan enemy and
he went behind his back and And

459
00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:38,600
he riled up a group of 200
Saints in Nauvoo and they

460
00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:40,800
entered into an oath to take
Joseph.

461
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:47,800
Smith's life.
So and Joseph Smith became aware

462
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:53,700
of this both because to Brave
young men Denison, L Harris and

463
00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:58,200
right, Robert Scott, they were
part of those secret meetings.

464
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,300
They go back and tell Joseph
Smith what was going on?

465
00:29:01,300 --> 00:29:03,600
So he's aware.
So we have to understand that.

466
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,900
Joseph Smith knew That the, the
there were these leading man in

467
00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:11,500
Nauvoo and I can give you the
name, let me give you the name.

468
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:14,800
So it wasn't just William W
important to know all of the

469
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,400
names.
So the leaders of this plot to

470
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,800
kill Joseph Smith were Chauncey
L, higbee, already Foster,

471
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,200
Joseph, H Jackson, William blah,
Wilson, law and Austin cows.

472
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:35,200
Now, William are like I said, he
became bitter over but he from

473
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,900
my research I can't see that he
was part of this plot, okay?

474
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,900
Although he never accepted the
doctrine and he didn't ever

475
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:46,900
accept the ordained leadership
of Brigham Young.

476
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,600
But those were the those were
the leaders of this plot to kill

477
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:56,800
Joseph Smith and it was like I
said, in the spring of 1844 And

478
00:29:58,100 --> 00:30:04,900
Joseph Smith became aware of
this so he knows and so William

479
00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:07,300
law.
And so again he had got he got a

480
00:30:07,308 --> 00:30:10,400
Joseph begged him not to teach
and of course, like I said,

481
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,600
Joseph Smith's like I have to or
I'll be down with my people and

482
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,000
so William law, decides to
expose it, To the public

483
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,800
opinion.
Right.

484
00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:23,900
So what does he do?
He dragged.

485
00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:27,600
He basically well, first of all
before that.

486
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:29,800
So I'm getting ahead of myself,
I have to back up because this

487
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,200
this Parts important.
So before that Heathen charges

488
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:38,000
Joseph Smith with adultery, he
takes him to Carthage court and

489
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,200
charges him with adultery
because in the state of

490
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:45,000
Illinois, Obviously, having more
than one Legal Wife was against

491
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,200
the law and it would be looked
upon as criminal, right?

492
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,500
So, in order for William luck,
let's try to stop this law,

493
00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:54,100
right?
Stop the teaching of plural,

494
00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:56,700
marriage.
He he takes Joseph Smith, the

495
00:30:56,700 --> 00:31:01,400
court and so obviously Joseph
Smith, the nicest denies the

496
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,700
charge in court.
I think he's acquitted or it

497
00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:09,800
doesn't even go to trial or
anything and obviously that's

498
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,300
going to anger, William law.
And so It josaphat.

499
00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:17,000
He comes back to Nauvoo, right?
He's the mayor of Nauvoo.

500
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,700
He has to answer for this
charge.

501
00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:24,900
He gets there's a public address
called the address to the

502
00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:29,900
dissenters of Nauvoo where he
basically openly refutes the

503
00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:33,000
charge of adultery.
So remember he's being charged

504
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,000
with adultery.
That's what William Moss trying

505
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:44,600
to charge him with his adultery.
so, then you go and so he So his

506
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,900
this this declaration, he gives
he gives us declaration or this

507
00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:54,000
sermon called address of the
Prophet testimony against the

508
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,000
dissenters, on the Navajo.
He gives us public address on

509
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:04,100
March 26. 1844 and he he
basically says, I can prove lien

510
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:08,600
laws approach her and that he's
transformed a truth into a lie

511
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,600
and then he goes on and he gives
this sermon and he says, and I

512
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,400
And I quote it if that's okay.
Yeah, absolutely.

513
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:23,000
Okay because he says So he
starts out and he says, I had

514
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,200
not been scarcely.
I have not been married

515
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,000
scarcely, five minutes and made
one proclamation of the Gospel

516
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,100
before it was reported that I
had seven wives.

517
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,200
So he think of that statement.
Well, that's true, right.

518
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:40,800
He had it, he didn't have seven
wives 3:05 married right to

519
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,100
Emma, right?
Yeah.

520
00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:45,000
And then he says, I mean to live
and proclaim the truth as long

521
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,400
as I can.
So what is he saying?

522
00:32:48,100 --> 00:32:51,900
He knows that that William law
has entered into an oath.

523
00:32:52,500 --> 00:32:56,600
So he's then going to deny the
charge because he wants to live

524
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,600
as long as he can to proclaim
the truth.

525
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,900
Right?
And then he says this new holy

526
00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:05,200
prophet, William law has gone to
Carthage and swore that I had

527
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,200
told him that I was guilty of
adultery this spiritual wife, is

528
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,300
mmm.
So what is he denying?

529
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,500
Adultery and spiritual wife is
mmm.

530
00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:21,000
Right.
And right, telling us this he's

531
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,000
denying, he's being charged with
adultery and spiritual wife is

532
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,800
in which he is not practicing.
Okay, right, right.

533
00:33:29,900 --> 00:33:32,800
He doesn't say anything about
Celestial plural, marriage.

534
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,700
He's just talking about.
Spiritual wife, is MM and

535
00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:39,800
adults, right?
Okay, right.

536
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,700
Because William law is trying to
get him to stop teaching for

537
00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:45,600
marriage.
So he's going out there and he's

538
00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:48,800
transforming a truth into a lie.
St.

539
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,600
Joseph Smith is guilty of
adultery that he's practicing

540
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,500
the same spiritual wife,
Doctrine is jhansi Bennett witch

541
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,300
everyone at that time knew.
How bad that was how evil it

542
00:33:59,300 --> 00:34:00,200
was.
Right?

543
00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:03,100
Right.
He has he been at was seducing

544
00:34:03,100 --> 00:34:06,000
women, he was a boarding.
He was a doctor, so he was a

545
00:34:06,008 --> 00:34:09,800
boarding, any children that were
produced from those ml cheese.

546
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:16,600
No fornication, right?
So yeah, I'm not guilty of this.

547
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,699
I'm not guilty of adultery, I'm
not guilty of spiritual.

548
00:34:18,699 --> 00:34:22,400
Life is MM, and he goes on and
says why, a man there's not

549
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,600
speaker wing for fear of being
accused of this.

550
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,400
A man has asked me whether the
Commandment was given that a man

551
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,699
may have seven wives and now the
new Prophet has charged me with

552
00:34:31,699 --> 00:34:35,500
adultery.
So again, Celestial marriage.

553
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,100
Wasn't that's not what special
married.

554
00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:40,800
Was that a Commandment?
That a man can have seven wives

555
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,000
that wasn't what the doctor was
a math, I can go out and get

556
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:50,300
seven why's that.
So again, he's very, he's very

557
00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:53,100
specific in his wording and they
goes on.

558
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:55,900
I never had any fuss with these
men until the female released

559
00:34:55,900 --> 00:34:58,500
Society brought out the paper
against adulterers and

560
00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:01,800
adulteresses.
But we can talk about that in a

561
00:35:01,808 --> 00:35:04,600
minute, dr.
Golf Course was invited into the

562
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,600
loss.
Click and dr.

563
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,600
Foster Foster.
And the click were dispatched as

564
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,800
dissatisfied with that document.
So right there, he's making

565
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,700
reference to the leaders of the
plot, right.

566
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,500
Wow, he specifically mentions
them dr.

567
00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:25,700
Foster and laws click William
walls.

568
00:35:25,700 --> 00:35:27,500
Gonna know what click he's
talking about.

569
00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:29,600
He's talking about those two
hundred men.

570
00:35:30,100 --> 00:35:34,300
Who had entered into an old, you
take his life and then he go, he

571
00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:36,900
goes on to say and they rushed
away and leave the church and

572
00:35:36,900 --> 00:35:40,900
conspire to take away my life.
And because I will not

573
00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:44,000
countenance, such wickedness,
they Proclaim that I have been a

574
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,800
true Prophet.
But now, I am a fallen profit.

575
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,600
What a thing it is for a man to
be accused of committing

576
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,800
adultery and having seven wives
again referring back to the

577
00:35:53,808 --> 00:35:58,700
doctrine of having seven wives,
right?

578
00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:02,300
He says When I can find only one
close quote.

579
00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:09,500
Hmm.
And so not only that, is that he

580
00:36:09,500 --> 00:36:13,600
only had one Legal Wife, right?
According to the state of

581
00:36:13,607 --> 00:36:20,600
Illinois, Joseph Smith only had
one The Legal Wife. so, He's

582
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:24,200
what is he speaking to?
I can only find one wife.

583
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,500
Will, what is the only one wife?
He can find his one Legal Wife?

584
00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:34,300
Emma, because other, right?
So, the, so, his poor wives were

585
00:36:34,300 --> 00:36:38,400
given to him by God, by God's
Authority, and he was not

586
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:45,300
answering to man for wives,
given to him under Another

587
00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:47,200
Authority.
The didn't belong to, man, if

588
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,400
that makes sense.
No, I makes perfect sense.

589
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,600
Though.
Oh, go ahead.

590
00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:01,900
So, what is just going to follow
up with with instead?

591
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:07,800
Hey, is that?
That's that's the main quote.

592
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,800
They use to Proclaim that Joseph
Smith was fighting against

593
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,300
former marriage.
When he wasn't fighting against

594
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:18,100
her marriage, he was fighting
against the charges of adultery

595
00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:21,800
with that quote.
Gotcha, gotcha.

596
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,800
So let me ask you this Kimberly
and maybe you could shed some

597
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,800
light on this because this is
something I always wondered

598
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,800
about William law because he
seems to be the guy who is

599
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:37,200
really both the the brains
behind The outfit and kind of

600
00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:43,700
the the the the guy who gets
everybody else realm up the kind

601
00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:48,600
of the guy who starts it all,
why doesn't he just either,

602
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:53,400
leave the church or Proclaim
that Joseph Allah and prophet

603
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,600
and start his own.
Why do you suppose he went to

604
00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:00,100
such lengths to make sure that
Joseph Smith didn't make it out

605
00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:06,800
of there.
That's a good question.

606
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:12,000
So if you actually look at the
history, if I could, if we could

607
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,800
have a little bit more history
and William, all, which I think

608
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,600
is important because it sheds a
light on an important principle

609
00:38:17,300 --> 00:38:21,500
that if William law had actually
was actually committing adultery

610
00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:27,400
who and so what happens, what
happens when you start

611
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:33,100
committing adultery your mind
becomes dark, dark, So now only

612
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:37,500
had time to come to darken but
then he's right, he's under the

613
00:38:37,500 --> 00:38:42,300
power of who Satan.
Satan right.

614
00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:45,700
Yep.
Right, so, before this law was

615
00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:49,800
introduced, he was actually.
And that was one of the reasons

616
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,700
he was actually excommunicated
was because he was committing

617
00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:56,800
adultery.
And so it's interesting because

618
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:03,800
he'd actually written in his his
journal, which tells you Kind of

619
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,700
his state of mind.
He says, quote, if an angel from

620
00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:09,400
heaven was to reveal to me that
a man should have more than one

621
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,800
wife, and if it were in my
power, I would kill him.

622
00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:19,500
He says that in his journal.
So, is he saying he would kill

623
00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:21,600
an angel of God?
Right?

624
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,400
Murder in his heart.
It was not a good man.

625
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,900
He was not just angry about
their marriage, he was under the

626
00:39:29,900 --> 00:39:33,200
influence and the power of the
adversary because they had

627
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:38,200
already broken his covenants.
He'd already committed a really

628
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:46,900
heinous sin and so then Satan
took advantage and use Cham to

629
00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:51,300
to try to destroy Joseph Smith.
You know, I think that there is

630
00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:56,000
a really important lesson for
all of us.

631
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,100
Of us there who, who adhere to
to the gospel.

632
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:06,300
And that is, when you start just
fine, your own sins, it doesn't

633
00:40:06,300 --> 00:40:10,200
just stop there, right?
There's going to be spillover

634
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,100
effect, that's going to darken
your heart.

635
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:18,100
That's going to allow you to be
susceptible to those changed

636
00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:21,500
chains with the which the
adversary seeks to bind us in.

637
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,800
And those chains aren't, it's
not a passive.

638
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,200
Thing right?
It's not like you're your

639
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:31,700
progression.
Is just damned at that point.

640
00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:35,500
This is a regression and it's a
regression back into darkness

641
00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:39,600
and I think William law is
probably a great example of that

642
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,300
and should be a cautionary tale
for the rest of us.

643
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:48,500
Because if we slide down that
slope, There there is no just

644
00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:51,500
stopping, you're either moving
forward or backwards and

645
00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:55,800
backwards, in this case leads to
just darkness and nasty nasty

646
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,500
things.
Right.

647
00:40:59,500 --> 00:41:03,900
Yeah, and I Thursday, I'm trying
to look really quickly.

648
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,900
There's a scripture in Doctrine
and Covenants that that says

649
00:41:08,900 --> 00:41:11,900
that if you do commit adultery
that you will deny the faith.

650
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,800
Hmm.
So that's, I mean, that's just a

651
00:41:14,808 --> 00:41:16,700
principle of the Gospel, so,
right?

652
00:41:16,700 --> 00:41:18,600
So we have to be very, very
careful.

653
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,700
To watch our words, thoughts and
deeds, commit adultery or were

654
00:41:22,700 --> 00:41:28,200
lusting after You know, women or
men, that aren't our spouses.

655
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,600
We like, what the scripture
says, we will be in danger of

656
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,800
denying the faith.
And so you can kind of see like,

657
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,700
you know, William law, he's a
member of the first presidency,

658
00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:42,900
right?
So he had a lot of light and

659
00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:44,200
knowledge.
Yeah.

660
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:48,600
And so the greater light, the
greater the condemnation and

661
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,000
write the greater power of the
adversary has over you.

662
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,400
He is literally in the hands of
the adversary whose put murder

663
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:55,400
in his heart.
Art.

664
00:41:55,500 --> 00:41:57,100
He seeks to destroy Joseph
Smith.

665
00:41:57,100 --> 00:42:06,400
He seeks to destroy right.
This Basically this Doctrine, he

666
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,200
seeks to destroy the entire
church.

667
00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:12,900
And yeah, so it's pretty
serious.

668
00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:19,100
It's if you really look into the
history of this instead of,

669
00:42:20,300 --> 00:42:24,000
right?
Just believing a

670
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,600
reinterpretation of the history
like William law is the bad guy

671
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,700
here.
It's not Brigham Young, right

672
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,200
right.
And for a lot of this history,

673
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,700
if I'm not mistaken and you can
correct me if I'm wrong here,

674
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,200
Brigham's, not even on scene,
he's in England, right?

675
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:46,900
He's in Europe.
Right.

676
00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:49,900
Well, he was actually in the
eastern states eastern states.

677
00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:55,200
Excuse me, at this time, right
campaigning for Joseph Smith.

678
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,400
And we're going there.
The other apostles were, I think

679
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,700
we're over near if I'm not
mistaken.

680
00:43:05,700 --> 00:43:07,700
But yeah, he wasn't even on the
scene here.

681
00:43:07,700 --> 00:43:10,600
This was all unfolding.
What Brigham Young and the other

682
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,300
Apostles are away.
So you could imagine.

683
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,700
So, not only that.
So imagine Joseph Smith he's

684
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,800
again, he, he has to keep the
church together.

685
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:25,300
He's being, you know, he has his
Rogue for, you know, William

686
00:43:25,300 --> 00:43:28,800
law.
Trying to expose him, not only

687
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,100
to the church as a whole, but
Joseph Smith is the mayor of

688
00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:35,700
Nauvoo.
He's been exposed to like it

689
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:37,800
wasn't just members of the
church that lived in Nauvoo.

690
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:41,700
It was the largest thriving City
in the entire state of Illinois.

691
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,000
Yeah.
Larger than Chicago at that to,

692
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,800
you know, you have to write you
actually, he had to answer to

693
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,600
the people who aren't even
members of the faith.

694
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,900
Hey, look, I'm not guilty of
adultery.

695
00:43:52,900 --> 00:43:57,300
I only have one legal, why, you
know, he's trying Say that I

696
00:43:57,300 --> 00:44:03,200
have all these, why they don't
have meaning legal wives, right?

697
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,000
Right.
I'm not breaking the law of the

698
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,000
state of Illinois.
I'm and then not only that, you

699
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,900
have extradition orders still in
place in Missouri.

700
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,300
If Joseph Smith were committed
of a crime, he could have been

701
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,000
dragged back to Missouri, just
on that basis alone, which, but

702
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,400
they know, we know that the
missourians have been trying to

703
00:44:23,408 --> 00:44:27,800
kill him and, you know, Over 10
years.

704
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,000
So he was in a he was in a
situation where he was not only

705
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,000
trying to protect himself at the
time, but most he was trying to

706
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,500
protect the Saints and I think
that's what we need to

707
00:44:37,508 --> 00:44:41,000
understand.
This wasn't Joseph Smith, making

708
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:46,700
a public declaration against
Against poor marriage and lying.

709
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,300
He was denying what he was being
accused of which was adultery

710
00:44:51,300 --> 00:44:53,400
and spiritual life is MM.
Wow.

711
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,400
Yeah, yeah.
And, and that never comes out,

712
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,900
right?
And and really like you said,

713
00:44:58,900 --> 00:45:01,600
unless you understand the
history, you're not going to get

714
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,500
that full effect.
You're not going to understand

715
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:06,500
right?
What Joseph is saying.

716
00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:09,600
Much less the history on Law and
marks, right?

717
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,500
Because if you don't understand
that where they're coming from

718
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:17,700
Good Luck, Right.
And so, the reason why this

719
00:45:17,700 --> 00:45:20,800
quote is so important understand
is because in the Joseph Papp

720
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,700
polygamy movement, what, what
they do is again, they take that

721
00:45:23,700 --> 00:45:28,400
one extrapolated sentence, and
then they put it on a meme or

722
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:33,000
they repost it, and they say it
like Jonah.

723
00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:35,200
Do you believe Joseph Smith
practice polygamy?

724
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,700
Then you'd have to believe he
was a liar and I choose to

725
00:45:37,700 --> 00:45:40,100
believe he's telling the truth
and so they make it about this

726
00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:44,100
almost like you know they play
on people's emotions and No,

727
00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:47,000
look, I'm so righteous that I
will not believe that he's

728
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,100
telling this lie and then
there's other people just read

729
00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:55,200
it and write it's kind of like a
false dilemma here, right?

730
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,300
Well if I book and tells us that
practice polygamy that I have to

731
00:45:57,308 --> 00:46:00,900
believe he was lying here when
he said this, when they don't

732
00:46:00,900 --> 00:46:03,800
even understand context and they
don't understand history, and

733
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:08,000
they don't understand, you know,
they don't understand anything

734
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,800
that had happened up until that
quote or anything after.

735
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:16,000
And so it's just it's a very
Little bit of tactic to use

736
00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:20,200
sure.
And it and it really does suck

737
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:26,000
in people who are just quite
frankly or ignorant of the true

738
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,800
facts and the true history,
right?

739
00:46:30,900 --> 00:46:35,100
Let me ask you this because this
is something I'm genuinely

740
00:46:35,100 --> 00:46:38,200
curious about and I don't know
if maybe because I know you have

741
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,500
had interactions with some of
these folks.

742
00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:46,700
Do you think this is something
that kind of the all those who

743
00:46:46,700 --> 00:46:48,900
are front and center on this
movement movement?

744
00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:51,900
Do you think they actually
believe this or do you think

745
00:46:52,300 --> 00:46:54,400
they have a different axe to
grind in?

746
00:46:54,400 --> 00:47:02,000
This is the outlet.
I believe that.

747
00:47:03,100 --> 00:47:07,800
The leaders of this movement.
Have an axe to grind.

748
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:13,900
And I do, unfortunately, feel
like that there are, there are a

749
00:47:13,908 --> 00:47:20,100
lot of innocent victims, right?
That are just victims of an

750
00:47:20,100 --> 00:47:24,000
agenda and a false information
in a false history that they've

751
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,000
been fed.
But as far as the leaders of the

752
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:33,400
Joseph polygamy, Movement, Like
Denver Snuffer, Justin Griffin

753
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,200
with his movies and part three,
that he's going to come out with

754
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,700
it, which will all be about
Joseph fighting polygamy and

755
00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:46,500
those that write the books like
Whitney horning in Richard

756
00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:49,700
Karen.
That wrote a book, The

757
00:47:49,707 --> 00:47:56,400
exoneration of Joseph and Emma.
These are not honest people,

758
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,900
right?
And they do have an ax to grind

759
00:47:59,900 --> 00:48:02,800
not with just not with just the
church but with Brigham Young

760
00:48:03,100 --> 00:48:06,200
with certain doctors of the
church, they all reject Temple

761
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,800
ordinances.
Hmm, all of them.

762
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,000
They, they're not just rejecting
right.

763
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,100
Like, I know, like we may
disagree with with if the LDS

764
00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:21,100
church has keys or not, but
they're not just rejecting the

765
00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:22,600
idea.
The LDS church doesn't have keys

766
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,400
are three, they're saying
Temple.

767
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,000
Ordinances are a satanic
invention of Brigham Young.

768
00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:30,100
We don't believe in Temple
ordinances, we don't even

769
00:48:30,100 --> 00:48:33,600
believe that.
That there was ever priesthood

770
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,800
Authority in the church.
We don't believe, right?

771
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,300
They don't believe in
Melchizedek priesthood anymore

772
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:46,300
so it's not just we don't
believe in polygamy and these

773
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:48,300
are implications.
We have to consider because you

774
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:51,100
it's there they go.
Hand in hand.

775
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,300
If you reject polygamy, you're
going to reject Temple

776
00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:59,600
ordinances.
Because they came to us, Because

777
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,700
of Brigham Young, right?
Right, it was Brigham Young.

778
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:08,100
Who right Joseph Smith?
Unfortunately died before he

779
00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:10,800
could reveal him to the church.
So, Brigham Young revealed him

780
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,200
to the church and so then they
reject Temple ordinances.

781
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,200
Well, then you reject your
ceiling your family selling you

782
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,200
protect, you reject your
marriage, telling you reject.

783
00:49:20,300 --> 00:49:23,600
All of all of those things that
are part of the restoration,

784
00:49:24,300 --> 00:49:26,700
right?
I think I made this point before

785
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:30,600
when you and I talked about a
year ago which is, it's the same

786
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,600
tactic that we've seen with the
founding fathers of the United

787
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:38,700
States, if you can discredit the
member or not the member but the

788
00:49:38,700 --> 00:49:42,700
founders you can then discredit
everything that the founders did

789
00:49:43,100 --> 00:49:47,000
right now in this case that they
definitely are trying to

790
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,400
discredit Brigham Young but they
are not I'm setting up a much

791
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:56,500
different Joseph Smith, right
then then what history bears and

792
00:49:56,500 --> 00:50:00,700
it's not a man that I think for
those who are well versed in

793
00:50:00,700 --> 00:50:03,400
Joseph Smith would ever
recognize right.

794
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,300
The so in some ways they are
going after Joseph Smith his

795
00:50:07,300 --> 00:50:11,300
true character and they wish to
replace him with something that

796
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,700
I don't know.
Quite frankly, as you're going

797
00:50:14,700 --> 00:50:21,900
through the, the implications of
Going after Brigham and

798
00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:27,800
rewriting Joseph's history.
Just as you stated the, the

799
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,900
natural outgrowth is a church
that looks nothing like the

800
00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:35,300
restoration.
It is anything that was

801
00:50:35,300 --> 00:50:38,200
distinctly Mormon about.
That is gone.

802
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:45,300
And it's so so Insidious.
All right, let me ask you this

803
00:50:45,300 --> 00:50:49,200
question, why we're talking
about about, you know, folks

804
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,800
like Griffin and whatnot.
And in a year of doing this

805
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,900
podcast, I've done a couple
episodes which have really

806
00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:58,100
required me to do a lot of
research.

807
00:50:58,100 --> 00:51:03,400
And what I found is that if you
can figure out how someone is

808
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:08,600
getting the money, you can
usually get to the bottom of who

809
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,300
is really At the source of this
thing.

810
00:51:12,700 --> 00:51:17,300
Even a movie like the one,
Justin Griffis Griffin puts out.

811
00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:21,800
It's not cheap to make.
Where's he getting his funding?

812
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:28,100
Do you know, have you heard?
So like I couldn't confirm this

813
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:33,400
like with absolute certainty.
I what what people have reached

814
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:38,400
out to me to tell me is that,
especially his first movie was

815
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:43,300
funded by A couple that are
leading.

816
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,500
How would you say leading
members of the dimmer stuff for

817
00:51:48,500 --> 00:51:50,600
movement?
Okay.

818
00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:56,000
All right.
So, you kind of like they were

819
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:00,000
the, the top contributor of who
killed Joseph Smith if I can

820
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,600
Financial, contributor.
And so that's why I say that.

821
00:52:04,100 --> 00:52:07,000
So the doctor Christ movement
and the divorce of her movement

822
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,300
are kind of separate.
But they've now mingled

823
00:52:09,300 --> 00:52:11,600
together.
And of course they have the same

824
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:16,200
agenda.
So they support these Acts that

825
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,400
are helping to advance their
narrative.

826
00:52:22,300 --> 00:52:24,800
Ultimately an attack on Brigham
Young which is attacking

827
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,500
priesthood and authority.
And any doctrine of the

828
00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:31,500
restoration that they don't want
to accept that has actually come

829
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:36,100
from Joseph from Joseph Smith?
Yeah, right, like not just

830
00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:40,600
Temple ordinances but we're
talking, you know, like Preston

831
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:45,500
restoration, so many people.
I've heard so many people say,

832
00:52:45,500 --> 00:52:48,800
they don't even believe that
ironic priesthood was restored

833
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:53,900
through Joseph Smith.
It's crazy, like not like you'll

834
00:52:53,900 --> 00:52:58,700
get so many people like varying
degrees of what they've rejected

835
00:52:58,700 --> 00:53:00,400
now.
Like, everything from the

836
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,700
aaronic priesthood, two
doctorates sections in the

837
00:53:04,700 --> 00:53:07,600
doctrine of covenants.
They they'll they take the

838
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,500
sections that they like or Even
just versus they like this is

839
00:53:11,500 --> 00:53:14,300
inspired, but these sections are
inspired.

840
00:53:15,100 --> 00:53:17,300
They've rejected the book of
Abraham.

841
00:53:17,700 --> 00:53:21,100
Well, a lot of them just there's
so much.

842
00:53:21,100 --> 00:53:26,000
It's really, it's fascinating at
the same time to watch like it

843
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,800
all there.
Just unraveling everything, like

844
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,200
you said, they're taking down
the foundation, one doctrine of

845
00:53:31,207 --> 00:53:36,300
the time, but I polygamy is like
the theological weapon.

846
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,100
So at the end of the day, it's
not about polygamy.

847
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,400
Me, because right, like if
you're a Main Street member of

848
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:47,100
the church, like I am
technically you're not expected

849
00:53:47,100 --> 00:53:50,700
to live it, right?
You're not asking as mainstream,

850
00:53:50,900 --> 00:53:53,800
right?
So they're not asked to live it,

851
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:58,300
so it's not really about
polygamy per se, it's that you

852
00:53:58,300 --> 00:54:02,600
can use that as a theological
and a historical weapon to, then

853
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,100
attack the foundation and take
away doctrines.

854
00:54:06,100 --> 00:54:08,700
You don't like and then Build
Your Own Foundation.

855
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:11,100
And then using the smith name to
do it.

856
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,400
And and I feel like plural.
Marriage is one of those things.

857
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:20,100
That would be very easy to
weaponize because it is, it's

858
00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:22,000
tough, right?
I mean, it's tough.

859
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:26,200
In the sense of wrapping your
arms around it, right?

860
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:30,000
And and it's, it's really easy
to turn that into the weapon

861
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,800
because it does tug at the
hearts of them.

862
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:37,000
What and and I suppose if
someone was already struggling

863
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,500
with their testimony of those
things, if someone Was to come

864
00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:42,100
along and go.
Oh, you can have the restoration

865
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:44,800
without that.
You just have to buy into these

866
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,200
other Concepts.
That's probably a pretty

867
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,700
attractive offer.
Right.

868
00:54:50,700 --> 00:54:53,700
It's really attractive because
to them all you need is a broken

869
00:54:53,700 --> 00:54:57,600
heart and a contrite spirit.
That's all you need, right?

870
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,100
That listen to them, I don't
know if you're familiar with

871
00:55:01,100 --> 00:55:03,000
your Doctrine, I am they've
taken away.

872
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,100
Even even baptism well if I have
a broken heart and a contrite

873
00:55:06,100 --> 00:55:09,200
spirit Christ is going to
baptize me with with his

874
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,000
authority and then there's not
even the ordinate, the actual

875
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,500
ordinate physical ordinance
anymore, right?

876
00:55:15,500 --> 00:55:19,400
And so, how nice is that?
Oh, I just have a contract.

877
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,000
Broken heart, contrite spirit.
Well, what does that even look

878
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,400
like?
And then you can Define any way

879
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:30,300
you want and just taken away.
Like you don't even have Joseph

880
00:55:30,300 --> 00:55:32,800
Smith anymore, who like, is
teaching us, physical.

881
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:37,600
Baptism that you're teaching a
physical ordinance as the spine,

882
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,100
right.
That you're entering into a

883
00:55:41,100 --> 00:55:44,000
covenant.
They're just it's, it's just

884
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,500
fascinating to watch like it's
heartbreaking, but it's like

885
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:52,200
almost mind-blowing how much
people are willing to reject

886
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,800
over this one doctrine that they
just haven't.

887
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,400
They don't have an understanding
of Right?

888
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,000
Well, let me ask you this
Kimberly, how successful have

889
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:06,800
they been as far as getting
people out of the church?

890
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,800
Or I would even call it restored
gospel at this point, right?

891
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:14,500
Because, look, I'll be honest.
My son approached me with this.

892
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:19,200
Just, I don't know, probably a
month ago and we sat down and

893
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,400
had a great, big, long history
lesson.

894
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:25,700
And I thought, well, one way or
another, he's going to know that

895
00:56:25,700 --> 00:56:28,000
this is wrong, it's either going
to he's going to pick up the

896
00:56:28,008 --> 00:56:30,200
histories like I'm never
bringing that up again because

897
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:36,700
Dad won't shut up.
But one way or another, this

898
00:56:36,700 --> 00:56:40,900
affects all of our kids, right?
If if those who believe that the

899
00:56:40,908 --> 00:56:47,400
mantle fell to Brigham Young All
of our kids are on on the line,

900
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:51,700
on this one and it I just feel
like it's so important that we

901
00:56:51,700 --> 00:56:54,800
get that out.
How successful have they been

902
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:59,000
overall?
I would say it is the largest

903
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:04,600
growing movement.
And the most successful movement

904
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,400
to destroy the church.
And when I say church, I'm

905
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,700
saying restoration sure, no, I
get you right.

906
00:57:11,700 --> 00:57:17,500
So it is the I watched this
since 2020.

907
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:24,900
I've been like just observing
people that I never thought in

908
00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:31,200
my life would fall for this
movement are entrenched in it.

909
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:37,200
Like it is Is it has?
It is just crazy.

910
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:38,900
I don't even have the words to
describe.

911
00:57:38,900 --> 00:57:48,800
Like, stalwart Defenders of
Joseph Smith at one time, who

912
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,900
had, what will it look like a
testimony are now fighting

913
00:57:52,900 --> 00:57:58,700
against almost every part of,
you know, their, their Heritage

914
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,600
essentially, because religion is
a Heritage, right?

915
00:58:02,700 --> 00:58:06,900
And, you know, if you want to
talk about, So from my

916
00:58:06,900 --> 00:58:12,000
perspective, maybe if you want
to get into this or not, I don't

917
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:16,000
know if you do but this isn't
just a historical debate because

918
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:20,500
history is just history, there's
a Doctrine behind their

919
00:58:20,500 --> 00:58:22,500
marriage, that is actually very
beautiful.

920
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:28,500
And, and if people just
understood the doctrine and and

921
00:58:28,500 --> 00:58:35,200
realizing that her marriage is
not a black mark on our history.

922
00:58:35,900 --> 00:58:40,400
It wasn't a mistake that Brigham
Young just misunderstood or he

923
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,700
got it wrong.
We are talking about men and

924
00:58:43,700 --> 00:58:48,500
women.
Who made the ultimate sacrifice

925
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:56,900
by being obedient to a covenant?
That none of us II.

926
00:58:56,900 --> 00:58:59,900
Don't believe any of us would
have been willing to at that

927
00:58:59,900 --> 00:59:02,600
time being persecuted their
entire lives.

928
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:07,300
In order to re-establish, not
only the house of Israel in the

929
00:59:07,300 --> 00:59:11,800
last days put to re-establish,
The Chosen bloodline through

930
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:17,600
which the priesthood is not only
restored, but then propagated on

931
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,600
the earth in such a way that it
will never be taken off the

932
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:25,400
Earth again, and, and we But we
actually have them to think

933
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,700
instead of spitting in their
face, slapping them over the

934
00:59:30,700 --> 00:59:33,000
face.
Right.

935
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,900
Tearing down their character,
accusing them of all manner of

936
00:59:35,900 --> 00:59:41,200
sin and wickedness. and it's
just astounding to me that we

937
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:46,300
have at this point where we
could actually Right.

938
00:59:46,300 --> 00:59:50,100
Turn our backs on everything
that they that we've received

939
00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:53,700
through them, right?
We're living, we're eating the

940
00:59:53,700 --> 00:59:57,000
fruits of Brigham Young's labor
and when I say Brigham Young,

941
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,500
I'm talking about.
All those that stayed faithful

942
00:59:59,500 --> 01:00:02,900
to him, right?
So all of those that through

943
01:00:02,900 --> 01:00:07,000
persecution that, you know,
plural marriage wasn't easy,

944
01:00:07,300 --> 01:00:10,100
they were persecuted not from
the government but even even in

945
01:00:10,100 --> 01:00:15,100
Utah Church members persecuted
them, only 20% of the church

946
01:00:15,100 --> 01:00:18,400
ever were faithful to Celestial
marriage.

947
01:00:19,100 --> 01:00:21,500
So they're persecuted From
Within A persecuted by the

948
01:00:21,500 --> 01:00:24,500
government.
They stay true and faithful so

949
01:00:24,500 --> 01:00:27,100
that the blessings of the
abrahamic, covenant could be

950
01:00:27,100 --> 01:00:31,000
passed down to their posterity.
So that, you know, Israel could

951
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,600
be restored.
So the, you know what, all of

952
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:37,800
the covenants and all the
promises given to Abraham and

953
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:42,200
his seed ancient lie.
So God can do Bilbo's, those

954
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,700
prophecies and then we turn
around and we say, no, thank

955
01:00:45,700 --> 01:00:48,500
you.
Yeah, this is icky gross to us

956
01:00:48,500 --> 01:00:51,600
because I've been told it was a
king growth and I haven't even

957
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,800
searched the scriptures to find
out what's true and what's not,

958
01:00:54,800 --> 01:01:00,500
you know, it just it breaks my
heart like it just really breaks

959
01:01:00,500 --> 01:01:04,000
my heart, you know, and that's
just it.

960
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:08,300
We, as Mormons of every stripe,
almost every stripe.

961
01:01:08,900 --> 01:01:14,200
We tend to pay homage a lot.
Two to our ancestors, I should

962
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:18,100
say their ancestors.
I'm the first Mormon ever of any

963
01:01:18,100 --> 01:01:24,000
stripe in my family.
However, Even I get a sense of

964
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:28,900
what they endured, right?
And it amazes me because I'm

965
01:01:28,900 --> 01:01:31,700
with you you're talking about a
people.

966
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:35,300
Let's let's start without plural
marriage, right?

967
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,800
Who sign up for this new
American religion.

968
01:01:40,700 --> 01:01:44,300
From a man who doesn't have
formal education which is nuts

969
01:01:44,300 --> 01:01:47,600
in those days, right?
Normally your your preachers are

970
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,500
coming out of Harvard and those
types of schools.

971
01:01:52,300 --> 01:01:59,000
You move several several times.
Plural marriage is taught those

972
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:00,700
who live.
It are like you said were

973
01:02:00,700 --> 01:02:05,600
persecuted from within and from
without and today.

974
01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:10,900
I don't know what the numbers
are, but today and Utah, I'd be

975
01:02:10,900 --> 01:02:14,700
curious to see how many men and
women are.

976
01:02:14,700 --> 01:02:18,700
Descendants of that practice,
right?

977
01:02:18,700 --> 01:02:22,600
And their progenitors laid
everything out on the line for

978
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,600
this.
Not just plural, marriage, but

979
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:28,600
the gospel waited all on the
line they sold out.

980
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,700
They cashed their chips in and
said, you know what I'm all-in.

981
01:02:33,900 --> 01:02:37,700
To, to be able to turn around
and, and then say now, you know

982
01:02:37,700 --> 01:02:39,500
what, they didn't have it,
right?

983
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,300
Who that's a, that's a bold
claim.

984
01:02:44,700 --> 01:02:48,100
Right.
Yeah, that is a bold claim and

985
01:02:48,100 --> 01:02:51,700
you say, you're, like the first
generation, Mormon, but one

986
01:02:51,700 --> 01:02:54,900
thing we don't understand about
for marriage.

987
01:02:54,900 --> 01:02:57,300
It's it's the Everlasting
Covenant.

988
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,200
Yep, K.
And, and I really would like to

989
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:04,200
talk about the doctrine of it.
If please, I would love to, I

990
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,000
don't know if you want to get
into that right now.

991
01:03:06,100 --> 01:03:10,000
Yeah, let's let's do it.
But it's essentially the

992
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:16,400
Everlasting Covenant.
And so when you Or anyone has

993
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:20,200
been adopted into the Covenant
through baptism.

994
01:03:20,900 --> 01:03:23,200
So you're adopted into the cup
of it through baptism.

995
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,100
Right?
So they so the founder of our of

996
01:03:26,100 --> 01:03:32,700
our of our faith Joseph Smith,
Brigham Young, John Taylor, they

997
01:03:32,700 --> 01:03:36,400
have reached, they have
re-established, the Everlasting

998
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,600
Covenant.
So I want to talk about that and

999
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,800
go back to because they call it
the new and Everlasting Covenant

1000
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:46,200
but it's It's Everlasting and
they brought back ancient lie,

1001
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,900
but it's new to this
dispensation, right?

1002
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,700
Okay.
So they've re-establish, the

1003
01:03:51,700 --> 01:03:53,700
Everlasting Covenant.
We're going to talk about what

1004
01:03:53,700 --> 01:03:59,800
that is, and then you and I or
anybody that's then through,

1005
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,900
baptism and through stealing in
the temple, are not only adopted

1006
01:04:02,900 --> 01:04:07,800
into that Covenant, but they are
still two that bloodline for

1007
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,700
eternity.
Yep, from generation to

1008
01:04:10,700 --> 01:04:12,200
generation.
Yep.

1009
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:15,000
So without About that
Foundation.

1010
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,800
None of us could receive any of
the blessings of the abrahamic,

1011
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,000
Covenant.
So what happens if we're going

1012
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:28,800
to cut our self off?
Okay, so, if you want to talk

1013
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,500
about you is it okay to discuss
a little bit of the doctrine of

1014
01:04:32,500 --> 01:04:36,000
it?
Please do look Kimberly.

1015
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,300
I'm going to level with you here
and I'm going to level with you

1016
01:04:39,300 --> 01:04:42,300
on to things that that I haven't
talked about before on the

1017
01:04:42,300 --> 01:04:47,300
podcast.
I've kind of done my best to

1018
01:04:47,300 --> 01:04:50,500
stay away from plural marriage
because everyone says well

1019
01:04:50,500 --> 01:04:53,400
you're a fundamentalist Dave, of
course you have Have a dog in

1020
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:57,600
that fight, right?
So it carries less weight from

1021
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,100
me.
So when someone like yourself

1022
01:05:00,100 --> 01:05:04,200
who's active LDS has a testimony
of this.

1023
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:10,300
I think it carries more weight.
The other thing I'll say and

1024
01:05:10,300 --> 01:05:19,000
this is breaking news now, As of
last weekend I am practicing the

1025
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,700
plinth principle again, right?
So now I have a double Dokken

1026
01:05:22,700 --> 01:05:26,900
fight and and so yeah, I
definitely want to tackle this

1027
01:05:26,900 --> 01:05:31,000
and I feel like that this is the
perfect place to do it because

1028
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,200
you always have your facts
straight and you're a rock star

1029
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:40,000
and it's just time.
And if we're going to, if we're

1030
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,900
going to debunk, what what the
other side is saying, we have to

1031
01:05:43,900 --> 01:05:46,400
get into the doctrine.
Have to show why it's so

1032
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:52,800
important and we have to, to
illuminate it and bring it in

1033
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,700
some ways plural.
Marriage, I've always said, it's

1034
01:05:55,700 --> 01:05:59,300
kind of like the crazy uncle
that shows up for Thanksgiving.

1035
01:05:59,300 --> 01:06:01,100
Nobody likes talking to him,
right?

1036
01:06:01,100 --> 01:06:02,300
Because you just know, at some
point.

1037
01:06:02,300 --> 01:06:06,400
It's going to get uncomfortable.
But this is a beautiful

1038
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,700
Doctrine.
This isn't a doctrine that we

1039
01:06:08,700 --> 01:06:10,900
should be ashamed of.
We should own this.

1040
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:16,700
We should 100% owned this.
So yeah, let's break it down.

1041
01:06:17,500 --> 01:06:23,200
Okay so just leading up to that
if I could just quickly share my

1042
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:24,600
story.
Yeah.

1043
01:06:25,100 --> 01:06:28,500
Of how I came to have a
testimony of it.

1044
01:06:29,300 --> 01:06:31,000
Yeah.
Because I think it's important

1045
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,700
because so like you say like
your fundamentalist, I

1046
01:06:33,707 --> 01:06:37,800
mainstream LDS right?
And so right, why do I need a

1047
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,200
testimony of it?
Why do I have a testimony of it?

1048
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:45,900
Well, I can remember back in
2016, so So, well first of all,

1049
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:50,800
it's important to understand.
So I was born in the church but

1050
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,700
I was raised in a very inactive
home, okay?

1051
01:06:53,700 --> 01:06:57,600
So the gospel wasn't something
that was just handed to me.

1052
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:02,400
I wasn't you know, I wasn't
taught in my home, you know I

1053
01:07:02,700 --> 01:07:06,500
was baptized today and then it
was like I you know church was

1054
01:07:06,500 --> 01:07:09,000
whenever I could get their kind
of thing because I my parents

1055
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:10,100
didn't take me to church.
Okay.

1056
01:07:10,100 --> 01:07:13,700
So I just want to understand
that like this isn't just

1057
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,300
because I've been a Used of all,
you're just, you know, false

1058
01:07:17,300 --> 01:07:18,800
Traditions handed down by your
feet.

1059
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:22,800
You know, like, I've every
accusations been thrown at me to

1060
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:28,300
try to discredit like my
testimony of not just for

1061
01:07:28,300 --> 01:07:32,000
marriage, but of of the church
in general or any part of the

1062
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,300
Gospel.
So just want to make it clear.

1063
01:07:34,300 --> 01:07:37,600
So this wasn't just a faith that
was handed to me that I didn't

1064
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,200
have to work for.
It was actually something I had

1065
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,300
to work at.
I had to search out.

1066
01:07:43,300 --> 01:07:44,500
What is this?
What is this?

1067
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:46,600
Fate.
What is my faith?

1068
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:53,100
You know and so took a lot of
years of searching I I never I

1069
01:07:53,100 --> 01:07:59,300
knew that her marriage was part
of our history you know a lot of

1070
01:07:59,300 --> 01:08:01,900
people want to say in the
mainstream LDS.

1071
01:08:01,900 --> 01:08:04,200
I was never taught this.
I didn't know that Joseph Smith

1072
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:07,300
had more than one wife and so
then then they have this Faith

1073
01:08:07,300 --> 01:08:11,100
crisis when they find out he did
that wasn't the case for me I

1074
01:08:11,100 --> 01:08:15,700
knew Joseph, like I read working
Lori when I was in high school

1075
01:08:15,700 --> 01:08:19,200
trying to look again trying to
learn about my faith so I could

1076
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:23,500
gain my own testimony but it
wasn't really until 2016.

1077
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,399
When I was watching a
documentary from the Joseph

1078
01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:31,600
Smith, foundation called Joseph
Smith more than you know and the

1079
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:35,100
documentary has nothing to do
with poor marriage at all.

1080
01:08:35,500 --> 01:08:37,500
It's a documentary about Joseph
Smith.

1081
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:43,500
But in that documentary, you
know, they were sharing quotes

1082
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:49,100
that came from Brigham Young.
And I received an undeniable

1083
01:08:49,100 --> 01:08:55,100
witness that Brigham Young was
the living witness of Joseph

1084
01:08:55,100 --> 01:09:00,100
Smith.
And then if I wanted my own

1085
01:09:00,100 --> 01:09:05,000
living witness of Joseph Smith,
I also needed to have not just a

1086
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:09,500
testimony bit of knowledge of
all of the revelations that

1087
01:09:09,500 --> 01:09:13,399
hearing he revealed, including
section 132, the doctrine of

1088
01:09:13,399 --> 01:09:16,399
covenants.
So I have been studying this

1089
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:22,100
Doctrine since 2016.
And through that study, I have

1090
01:09:22,100 --> 01:09:29,300
gained an Unbreakable firm
steadfast testimony section 132

1091
01:09:29,300 --> 01:09:32,600
of the doctrine of covenants of
the historical practice of

1092
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:38,899
plural marriage and and why it
was essential For the Salvation

1093
01:09:38,899 --> 01:09:42,899
of the world, essentially.
Well, I can't wait to hear this.

1094
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,000
Share a little bit of what I
learned in my journey.

1095
01:09:46,300 --> 01:09:50,399
Yeah, and I do want to say that
I am pathetic empathize with

1096
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:55,400
women in the church, because I
was there to it, right?

1097
01:09:55,400 --> 01:10:01,500
I like this.
It's one thing to say, It's one

1098
01:10:01,500 --> 01:10:03,700
thing to say, yeah it's fine,
the Joseph Smith and Brigham

1099
01:10:03,700 --> 01:10:06,300
Young lived it, but it's another
thing to actually live it,

1100
01:10:06,300 --> 01:10:08,700
right?
And and so I can empathize with

1101
01:10:08,700 --> 01:10:13,000
women who it like quite frankly
scares The Living Daylights out

1102
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:17,200
of them and that's why so many
people are drawn with this new

1103
01:10:18,700 --> 01:10:21,300
This new movement because like
you said, they can have

1104
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:26,600
Mormonism without her marriage
and so instead of grappling with

1105
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:31,300
what that Doctrine is they it's
just easier and so I really

1106
01:10:31,300 --> 01:10:37,800
understand that and I my heart
is goes out to those women and I

1107
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:42,200
just want them to know that it's
okay.

1108
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,900
And it's actually something that
is very beautiful and that we

1109
01:10:45,900 --> 01:10:50,600
can be proud of of our Ian, we
can be proud of the founders of

1110
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:56,000
our faith and we can look up to
the women of the restoration, as

1111
01:10:56,000 --> 01:11:03,300
our nursing mothers, and we can
be thankful for what they did

1112
01:11:03,300 --> 01:11:06,300
for us.
Does that make sense?

1113
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:12,700
Yep, so kind of wood leading in
to just talking about.

1114
01:11:12,700 --> 01:11:16,100
You know, why was plural
marriage restored, in Nauvoo,

1115
01:11:17,300 --> 01:11:19,000
right?
Why why is that?

1116
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:22,800
Such an important Doctrine.
Like, it's it's pretty much the

1117
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:26,300
Capstone of the, of, the
restoration, right?

1118
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:31,400
So we'll just go back, I'll try
to do it justice case because

1119
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:37,700
it's it's hard.
It's hard to teach this. but, So

1120
01:11:39,300 --> 01:11:43,600
the Everlasting Covenant, her
marriage is like I said it in

1121
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,900
the scriptures and 132 it's
called the new and Everlasting

1122
01:11:45,900 --> 01:11:48,900
Covenant.
But everywhere else throughout

1123
01:11:48,900 --> 01:11:51,000
scripture, it's called the
Everlasting Covenant.

1124
01:11:51,300 --> 01:11:54,700
So why is it called in 132, the
new and Everlasting, Covenant?

1125
01:11:54,700 --> 01:11:58,400
Because like I said, it's new
again for this dispensation,

1126
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:00,900
right?
But we have to understand that

1127
01:12:00,900 --> 01:12:04,500
it's the Everlasting Covenant.
So, what I did, and how I

1128
01:12:04,500 --> 01:12:07,000
started to understand or learn
about plumber Read.

1129
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:12,400
As I went through an entire word
search in all of the books of

1130
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:17,700
scriptures on Everlasting
Covenant, And so that actually

1131
01:12:17,700 --> 01:12:23,100
takes us back to Adam. but the
sake of brevity we're going to

1132
01:12:23,100 --> 01:12:29,100
start with, with We'll start
with Abraham.

1133
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:39,500
That's okay, that's great.
Okay, so so in obvious in so in

1134
01:12:39,500 --> 01:12:43,200
Genesis 17 1 through 7 and I
won't read all that one through

1135
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:47,400
seven, but at the end of verse
7, the Lord says to Abraham, I

1136
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:52,100
will establish my Covenant
between me and thee and thy seed

1137
01:12:52,100 --> 01:12:57,000
after thee in their generations
for an Everlasting Covenant.

1138
01:12:57,700 --> 01:13:01,500
To be a god unto thee.
And to thy seed after thee,

1139
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:06,200
Okay.
So this is where we say that,

1140
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:09,500
you know, John Abraham is the
father of our of the Covenant.

1141
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,500
Yep.
So that's why it's, let's just

1142
01:13:11,500 --> 01:13:14,600
start with him.
So here this is where God, he's

1143
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:20,000
established that Everlasting,
Covenant Everlasting is From

1144
01:13:20,500 --> 01:13:24,500
generation to generation.
Yeah forever I'm breakable.

1145
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:31,100
So we got to kind of so what is
this Everlasting?

1146
01:13:31,100 --> 01:13:33,900
Covenant, he's just established
with with Abraham and not with

1147
01:13:33,900 --> 01:13:38,200
just Abraham but it says with
thee and thy seed, after thee,

1148
01:13:38,500 --> 01:13:39,600
right?
Right.

1149
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:43,500
So it's with him and his seed.
What is seed, is Chill

1150
01:13:43,500 --> 01:13:45,100
posterity?
Yes, children?

1151
01:13:45,100 --> 01:13:48,500
Right K.
So the terms of the Covenant are

1152
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,000
Pretty simple.
He would have the Abraham would

1153
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:54,100
have endless posterity, right?
We know.

1154
01:13:54,100 --> 01:13:55,800
Yep.
Are they abrahamic Covenant?

1155
01:13:56,100 --> 01:14:00,400
And at the priesthood would be
held only by the Seed of

1156
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,000
Abraham.
Okay.

1157
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,300
Yep.
So that was all part of that

1158
01:14:06,300 --> 01:14:09,600
Covenant, right?
So we're talking that.

1159
01:14:09,900 --> 01:14:14,800
So if you want the priesthood
you have to be from Abraham, you

1160
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:24,600
have to be one of Abraham.
Okay, so it's a single Covenant

1161
01:14:24,900 --> 01:14:28,900
that God established as with
Abraham and then he

1162
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:36,300
re-established a new with every
righteous Patriarch, right,

1163
01:14:36,300 --> 01:14:37,500
right?
Every racist.

1164
01:14:37,500 --> 01:14:41,300
Patriarch after Abraham and
every righteous patriarch after

1165
01:14:41,300 --> 01:14:44,800
Abraham is also the seat of it.
Yep.

1166
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:48,400
The Seed of Abraham, okay.
And so that's important to

1167
01:14:48,407 --> 01:14:52,000
understand.
So, here, God is established,

1168
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,800
not just a family.
That's why we call it the house

1169
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,700
of Israel.
It's the house of Israel.

1170
01:14:58,700 --> 01:15:02,400
Who is the house of Jacob.
And if it's your house, ain't

1171
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:06,900
that your family, your kids,
Kingdom, he's established here

1172
01:15:06,900 --> 01:15:11,400
is a kingdom of Fathers and
Sons.

1173
01:15:12,700 --> 01:15:17,300
Who will have the Everlasting
priesthood with their seed

1174
01:15:17,300 --> 01:15:20,900
forever and ever right.
That means right makes total

1175
01:15:20,900 --> 01:15:25,500
sense to me.
Yep, I'm following it okay which

1176
01:15:25,500 --> 01:15:28,500
is surprising I am slow so I
appreciate you checking with me

1177
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:30,600
now.
I know you understand I'm just

1178
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:34,000
no no your good honestly I'm
glad you're asking because I

1179
01:15:34,100 --> 01:15:37,400
Yeah, as you can tell, I asked a
ton of questions Kimberly I'm

1180
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:43,800
glad you're checking with me.
so, When you do every time that

1181
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,300
you have ever lasted.
Now there's other places in

1182
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:50,000
Genesis that has the, has the
word Everlasting Covenant.

1183
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,600
And every time it's always
repeatedly associated with

1184
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:58,700
posterity, right?
Okay, so how do you then carry

1185
01:15:58,700 --> 01:16:03,600
on like a covenant?
It's passed down, and just like

1186
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,000
in dr.
Covenants, 107.

1187
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:07,700
And it says, the priest that is
passed down.

1188
01:16:07,700 --> 01:16:11,500
How From father to son.
Yep, right.

1189
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:13,700
Yep.
I don't know if I need to pull

1190
01:16:13,700 --> 01:16:16,700
that up but um, it's patriarchal
in nature.

1191
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:18,200
Yep.
Right Patron.

1192
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:23,300
So we're not just talking about
when a father, just he's in the

1193
01:16:23,300 --> 01:16:28,000
church and he then he puts his
hat on his head and he gives the

1194
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,200
priesthood to a son.
We're talking about, it's passed

1195
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:33,600
down through your bloodline
right through your lineage,

1196
01:16:33,700 --> 01:16:38,200
right?
You have So right then Abraham,

1197
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:42,500
he has Isaac and so it was with
Isaac.

1198
01:16:43,700 --> 01:16:47,900
That that that that bloodline or
the The Chosen the Everlasting

1199
01:16:47,900 --> 01:16:51,400
Covenant was going to continue
to Isaac's bloodline because we

1200
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:56,300
know that Abraham was married to
Hagar and Ishmael received a

1201
01:16:56,300 --> 01:17:00,300
difference inheritance.
Other than the priesthood

1202
01:17:00,300 --> 01:17:04,600
inheritance, right?
Okay, so it had to go from

1203
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:10,300
Abraham to Isaac and then from
Isaac to Jacob, right?

1204
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:13,400
Right.
And then with Jacob, through

1205
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:19,200
Leah and Rebecca and then the,
the other two has the other two

1206
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:21,500
wives.
Then that's how we established

1207
01:17:21,500 --> 01:17:24,300
the house of Israel but the 12
tribes of Israel.

1208
01:17:24,500 --> 01:17:25,700
Correct.
Yep.

1209
01:17:25,700 --> 01:17:35,400
And so Which if I could just
speak to another rebuttal?

1210
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:40,800
Yeah, the Joseph Papp polygamy
movement will give just so we

1211
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:43,300
let's just squash that rebuttal
right now, okay?

1212
01:17:43,300 --> 01:17:48,400
Is that they like to say they
like to interpret the the

1213
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:52,000
history of that to say?
Well Jacob didn't really want to

1214
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,800
marry Leah.
He was, he was kind of deceived

1215
01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:01,400
so he because he really wanted
Rachel and so He didn't choose

1216
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:07,600
to enter into poor marriage.
So they look at that as right?

1217
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:12,600
That's not But that wasn't a
correct principle.

1218
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:17,500
However, why would Jacob be
willing to Merit to it to then

1219
01:18:17,500 --> 01:18:19,200
work?
Another seven years to obtain a

1220
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:22,600
second wife, if bright, it
wasn't something that was

1221
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,800
ordained of God, right?
And then you have who comes

1222
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,500
through.
So which Patriarchs come through

1223
01:18:29,500 --> 01:18:38,200
Rachel, which Patriarchs come
through Leah, you know, because

1224
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:43,400
it's Jason, if Joseph, Joseph
comes through Rachel, right?

1225
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:51,400
Or am I wrong?
I'm let me look at my notes

1226
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:55,600
here.
Sometimes I get have to remember

1227
01:18:55,600 --> 01:19:01,600
to because it's I'm not going
Leah through Leah.

1228
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:03,700
Comes the tribe of Judah.
Okay.

1229
01:19:03,700 --> 01:19:05,200
And who comes to the tribe of
Judah?

1230
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,000
Jesus Christ.
Yep.

1231
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:08,700
Right.
Right.

1232
01:19:08,700 --> 01:19:17,400
And then you have, let's see.
So then you have Elijah is said

1233
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:21,500
to come from The Tribe of
Benjamin, which is the Senate?

1234
01:19:21,500 --> 01:19:23,400
Who is the son of Rachel?
Okay?

1235
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:30,000
So right here, we're here.
You have Elijah who is Elijah is

1236
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,400
pretty important, right?
She's huge.

1237
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:34,300
Liam will talk about Elijah
because this is important.

1238
01:19:34,300 --> 01:19:38,200
Understand, why Jin, the last
date Elijah's hugely important

1239
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:41,200
comes through Leah.
So right.

1240
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:44,100
So are you going to take away
Jacobs to watch those two wires

1241
01:19:44,100 --> 01:19:48,400
from Jacob and say, God didn't
ordained this and then you take

1242
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:52,800
away, You take away Leah, you
take away Christ, if you take

1243
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:56,000
away, Rachel, cause he's already
married to Leah, then you take

1244
01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:01,400
away Elijah and I think Moses
can't comes from Levi.

1245
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:05,700
Who's the son of Leah?
So, yeah.

1246
01:20:06,300 --> 01:20:07,900
Right.
Yep.

1247
01:20:07,900 --> 01:20:08,900
Okay.
Oh yeah.

1248
01:20:08,900 --> 01:20:12,700
And Joseph comes through Rachel
because it Right.

1249
01:20:12,900 --> 01:20:16,200
Yep, he's been Joseph because
he's from building at.

1250
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:18,400
He's at the gels fight Joseph in
Egypt.

1251
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:20,700
Yep, right.
That's correct.

1252
01:20:20,700 --> 01:20:21,600
Yep.
Okay.

1253
01:20:22,500 --> 01:20:29,600
Okay so we're right so, Right.
Okay.

1254
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:34,500
So again, so what is passed down
then through each of these

1255
01:20:34,500 --> 01:20:37,800
Patriarchs?
It's not just, they're not, just

1256
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:41,500
now members of the House of
Israel, but they are now the Cub

1257
01:20:41,500 --> 01:20:43,600
that Everlasting Covenant is
renewed through each of those

1258
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:45,300
Patriarchs.
And with the Everlasting

1259
01:20:45,300 --> 01:20:50,000
Covenant, the priesthood
continues, right?

1260
01:20:50,500 --> 01:20:52,900
Yep.
Because it has to be passed down

1261
01:20:52,900 --> 01:20:55,600
through.
Lineage you need to understand

1262
01:20:55,700 --> 01:20:59,200
that without lineage there is no
priesthood, right?

1263
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,200
Right?
So So it's passed down through

1264
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:06,700
lineage, through the hate, the
house of Abraham.

1265
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:14,500
And that's why you have in the
Book of Matthew chapter 1 didn't

1266
01:21:14,500 --> 01:21:15,700
bring my scriptures.
The first.

1267
01:21:15,700 --> 01:21:19,100
What is the first thing that
Jesus Christ reveals?

1268
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,500
Yeah, hurry and pull it up.
Yeah, let me go get there to

1269
01:21:25,500 --> 01:21:29,300
sorry.
I didn't all I gots my silly

1270
01:21:29,300 --> 01:21:36,500
phone.
Matthew chapter 1.

1271
01:21:36,500 --> 01:21:40,000
You said yes.
So I think this is so important

1272
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:46,200
because So, why here in the
gospel of Matthew does Jesus

1273
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:48,100
Christ?
Give us his lineage.

1274
01:21:49,500 --> 01:21:52,600
Hits it opens up and says the
book of the generation of Jesus

1275
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:56,500
Christ, the son of David, the
son of Abraham.

1276
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:01,400
Why was that so important?
Because he's making a claim with

1277
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:04,900
the priesthood, he's making a
claim about the priesthood

1278
01:22:04,900 --> 01:22:08,300
through his lineage.
That this is who I am.

1279
01:22:08,900 --> 01:22:15,900
This is who I am by Birthright
and entitled to these things and

1280
01:22:15,900 --> 01:22:18,300
know that I'm acting within that
office.

1281
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:24,800
Right, exactly.
So by he's he's establishing who

1282
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:28,800
he is, what linen she's from.
He doesn't say well, these icky,

1283
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:33,600
polygamist are my father's and
they need to repent, right?

1284
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:38,600
He doesn't ever say that right?
No, no, he's actually proud

1285
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:41,300
that.
He is of the lineage of David

1286
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,200
and he's the lineage of Abraham,
right?

1287
01:22:44,500 --> 01:22:49,000
So So right there.
K.

1288
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,700
So he's again, like you said,
he's establishing his authority

1289
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:57,200
and then we see that Zacharias,
he does the same thing then, or

1290
01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:01,700
John the Baptist because
Zacharias was, he's from Levi,

1291
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:05,700
he's the last so Zach ertz.
So that's another reason.

1292
01:23:05,700 --> 01:23:08,600
Why the birth of John, the
Baptist is so miraculous is

1293
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:14,900
because had Zacharias, not had a
son that would have ended the

1294
01:23:14,900 --> 01:23:17,400
aaronic priesthood.
Yep, through Levi.

1295
01:23:17,500 --> 01:23:18,400
Why?
Yep.

1296
01:23:18,500 --> 01:23:21,800
And so the angel comes and he's
like, you're going to have the

1297
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:23,600
sun, right?
And it's miraculous.

1298
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:26,600
It's a miraculous birth like.
Jesus Christ is miraculous

1299
01:23:27,100 --> 01:23:31,900
because we God needed to carry
on that political priest.

1300
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,000
Yeah.
And through the bloodline.

1301
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,400
Yep.
Not just, you know, you think

1302
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:40,000
we'll, he could have, you know,
that Christ could have died and

1303
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,000
he could have sent an angel.
But how do you establish the

1304
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:45,200
blood?
How do you establish it forever?

1305
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:46,900
So you don't have to have an
angel come every time.

1306
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:52,100
Through a blood line, right
through asset through a child

1307
01:23:52,300 --> 01:23:57,600
your posterity so it's very
important we understand that God

1308
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:01,700
is continuing again this
Everlasting Covenant through

1309
01:24:01,700 --> 01:24:06,400
posterity, right?
And it wasn't with right with

1310
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:10,700
any with any woman.
She also had to be a pure

1311
01:24:10,700 --> 01:24:14,000
bloodline, right?
And so that's why you have

1312
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:15,000
that's why it's important to
know that.

1313
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,800
Mary the mother of the Son of
God is a Ian.

1314
01:24:18,700 --> 01:24:23,400
That word virgin isn't just that
she's never had sex virgin means

1315
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:26,900
Purity, right?
It means that she's a pure

1316
01:24:26,900 --> 01:24:31,700
bloodline, gotcha, right?
And so it's important that.

1317
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:35,800
So God is he we call her the
Virgin Mary, right?

1318
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:40,800
And it's important that she had
virgin before her name because

1319
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:44,300
God wants you to know that.
Jesus Christ came through, a

1320
01:24:44,300 --> 01:24:48,100
pure lineage and undefiled
lineage a nun.

1321
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,900
Bloodline.
And so we call her the Virgin

1322
01:24:51,900 --> 01:24:56,000
Mary because it does mean that
she has never been defiled but

1323
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:57,800
at.
So the bloodline ever gotten to

1324
01:24:57,808 --> 01:25:02,800
file because she was true.
She was a virtuous woman, right?

1325
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:04,200
Never broke my custody.
Right?

1326
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:08,100
But then that she was also the
pureblood Israel.

1327
01:25:08,500 --> 01:25:13,300
It's speaking to her lineage as
well as her as well as staff

1328
01:25:13,900 --> 01:25:14,800
meeting.
Yep.

1329
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,900
And that's important, right?
God is he wants us to understand

1330
01:25:17,900 --> 01:25:21,100
something here, that's why he
gives her the title of Ian and

1331
01:25:21,100 --> 01:25:26,500
not just so we write, not just
so that we know that she didn't

1332
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:30,100
break the law of Chastity, you
know, break the law of Chastity.

1333
01:25:30,100 --> 01:25:34,800
So okay.
We're up to that point, right?

1334
01:25:34,900 --> 01:25:35,700
Right.
Yep.

1335
01:25:35,700 --> 01:25:37,500
We're good.
Okay.

1336
01:25:37,900 --> 01:25:41,700
So then so that's so again, I
was just I wanted to go with

1337
01:25:41,700 --> 01:25:44,900
that history to understand what
the Everlasting Covenant was,

1338
01:25:45,300 --> 01:25:46,600
and he established it with
Abraham.

1339
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:49,000
And again, it was passed are
endless posterity.

1340
01:25:50,100 --> 01:25:52,900
And restated.
Yeah.

1341
01:25:52,900 --> 01:25:57,600
So and and God is basically
saying this will never be taken

1342
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:03,700
from the earth.
Now we know that in Jesus Christ

1343
01:26:03,700 --> 01:26:08,100
time we do go into apostasy
right?

1344
01:26:08,100 --> 01:26:13,500
There's Anna, Jupiter Church
loses, the Jewish Church loses

1345
01:26:13,500 --> 01:26:17,700
priesthood but it's not because
priesthood is taken from the

1346
01:26:17,700 --> 01:26:22,900
earth or per se.
Is that the bloodline was taken

1347
01:26:22,900 --> 01:26:26,100
from the church?
Oh, I got you.

1348
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:32,000
Okay.
And Christ seed was scattered

1349
01:26:33,300 --> 01:26:37,200
kid, right?
Have you ever heard that I have?

1350
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:40,200
Yep, yep.
Okay, I almost need it.

1351
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:41,500
Okay.
I just, I probably need to get

1352
01:26:41,500 --> 01:26:43,900
my scriptures.
So, can you just give me like 30

1353
01:26:43,900 --> 01:26:45,900
seconds?
That would be perfect because

1354
01:26:45,900 --> 01:26:49,000
I'm going to get mine.
And then I'm also going to shut

1355
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:52,000
off my wife's phone, who I found
out, she just left it in here.

1356
01:26:52,500 --> 01:26:55,900
So yeah, let me well, let's do
that.

1357
01:26:57,300 --> 01:27:02,300
That we're getting to.
Then present day, right, right?

1358
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:05,800
We've established the
Everlasting Covenant with

1359
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:11,300
Abraham continues through Jesus
Christ and then we know that the

1360
01:27:11,300 --> 01:27:15,700
church went into the Jewish
Church went into apostasy, and I

1361
01:27:15,708 --> 01:27:18,900
don't know if you're familiar
with the history of that.

1362
01:27:18,900 --> 01:27:24,600
Christ's blood line was hid.
I am, can I point something out

1363
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:27,100
about what we were talking
before about Bloodlines?

1364
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:29,700
Did I find super?
Interesting.

1365
01:27:30,700 --> 01:27:37,200
You have Christ who comes out
and says his lineage back to his

1366
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:41,000
father's, right?
I find it interesting that.

1367
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:45,700
God, the Father seems to do
something very similar when he

1368
01:27:45,700 --> 01:27:50,300
introduces Joseph Smith.
To the savior in the growth.

1369
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:54,400
He could have said, this is your
savior hear him.

1370
01:27:55,100 --> 01:27:58,100
This is Jesus Christ.
Hear him know.

1371
01:27:58,100 --> 01:28:03,600
He goes out of his way to say.
This is my beloved Son, hear ye

1372
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:07,300
him.
So lineage is a very important

1373
01:28:07,300 --> 01:28:12,300
thing not just here.
But throughout time and all

1374
01:28:12,300 --> 01:28:16,200
eternity.
Right?

1375
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:22,100
And and so, that's actually.
So God is a God to us because he

1376
01:28:22,100 --> 01:28:28,700
is right, he is the king in in
the milk, has a crease that he's

1377
01:28:28,700 --> 01:28:32,900
a king and a priest, right over
his posterity in the Eternal

1378
01:28:32,900 --> 01:28:38,900
world, and then which he tries
to pass on to us in the mortar

1379
01:28:38,900 --> 01:28:41,000
world, right?
Yep.

1380
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:43,700
Oh, because he's trying to
establish his kingdom here to

1381
01:28:43,700 --> 01:28:45,000
write.
He's correct given.

1382
01:28:45,100 --> 01:28:48,800
That's an opportunity.
He to come to mortality and he's

1383
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:50,600
going to try and he this ever
let.

1384
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:54,100
So that when we say Everlasting
it, it goes both ways forward

1385
01:28:54,100 --> 01:28:55,400
and backward.
Yep.

1386
01:28:55,700 --> 01:29:00,300
And it starts with with God, the
Father who he himself has kept

1387
01:29:00,300 --> 01:29:02,700
us Everlasting Covenant.
Yep.

1388
01:29:02,700 --> 01:29:05,600
He's passed on a priesthood
through his son.

1389
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:08,100
Jesus Christ.
It's come to this earth.

1390
01:29:09,100 --> 01:29:15,200
And in and through the posterity
here and so giving us the same

1391
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:18,200
promises that were made to the
father's, right?

1392
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:31,400
so, in going to When Joseph
Smith is translating the Bible.

1393
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:41,300
It is revealed to him that.
So go to There's a revelation

1394
01:29:41,300 --> 01:29:44,900
that was given to the Joseph
Smith on December 6th 1832, and

1395
01:29:44,900 --> 01:29:49,500
it's recorded in section 86 of
the doctrine of covenants.

1396
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:53,000
And it says, it was a revelation
that was received while Joseph

1397
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,900
Smith was reviewing and editing
the manuscript of the

1398
01:29:55,907 --> 01:29:59,000
translation of the Bible.
Okay.

1399
01:29:59,100 --> 01:30:03,500
And it's, I think it's one of
the most profound and

1400
01:30:03,500 --> 01:30:08,800
significant Revelations that I,
we fail to understand many of us

1401
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:11,000
have failed understanding We
don't understand the

1402
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:17,000
significance of it and in verse
in verse 9 or excuse me, let's

1403
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:20,700
start with verse 8.
The Lord reveals to Joseph

1404
01:30:20,700 --> 01:30:23,600
Smith.
He says therefore thus, saith

1405
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:28,000
the Lord unto you with whom the
priesthood have continued

1406
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:30,800
through the lineage of your
father's.

1407
01:30:31,700 --> 01:30:37,300
Hmm for ER, lawful heirs,
according to the Flesh and have

1408
01:30:37,300 --> 01:30:44,300
been hid from the world with In
God. no no this is the

1409
01:30:44,300 --> 01:30:48,300
repetition give it to Joseph not
just Joseph Smith but other

1410
01:30:48,300 --> 01:30:53,400
leading Elders of the church
including Brigham Young Heber C,

1411
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:59,800
Kimball John Taylor, Charlie
Pratt And others.

1412
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:03,900
What did he just say?
Yeah, let's just break this down

1413
01:31:03,900 --> 01:31:07,400
here real quick because if I'm
not mistaken and you're right, I

1414
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:09,000
probably read this a hundred
times.

1415
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:11,700
I mean as you can see, it's
marked up, right?

1416
01:31:11,700 --> 01:31:14,300
The whole the whole thing's
marked up here the whole section

1417
01:31:14,900 --> 01:31:20,300
but I've never caught that.
So he's basically saying you

1418
01:31:20,300 --> 01:31:23,300
guys are descendants of Christ,
right?

1419
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:30,200
Yes, that's awesome.
That's absolutely awesome,

1420
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:32,100
Kimberly.
That's why it was important that

1421
01:31:32,100 --> 01:31:35,400
we understood cry.
Like you said, why did you God

1422
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:38,700
say this is my beloved Son,
right?

1423
01:31:38,700 --> 01:31:41,500
Right.
Established seeing father-son

1424
01:31:41,500 --> 01:31:45,200
priesthood lineage bright and
here then Joseph Smith, this

1425
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:50,400
told and you to Joseph Smith and
other leading Elders of the

1426
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:54,700
church.
That preset is continued.

1427
01:31:55,300 --> 01:31:58,500
So we think the producer was
taken from the Earth but like I

1428
01:31:58,508 --> 01:32:01,400
said, it was removed from the
Jewish church and the bloodline

1429
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:04,200
was scattered or it was hid,
right?

1430
01:32:04,700 --> 01:32:07,700
He was in.
And then we could talk about

1431
01:32:07,700 --> 01:32:10,900
going to whole story of the
Knights Templar and how they hid

1432
01:32:10,900 --> 01:32:14,300
Christ bloodline anyway.
Yeah.

1433
01:32:14,300 --> 01:32:16,600
Yeah.
But when I will need to talk to

1434
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:20,200
you and I will need to talk off
the air for just five minutes

1435
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:24,800
because I got, I got Something I
want to run by it but yeah,

1436
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:29,000
yeah, no absolutely.
It is it okay if I use this at

1437
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:31,500
church next Sunday I promise
I'll give you the credit.

1438
01:32:31,500 --> 01:32:35,200
Is you showed it to me but yeah
this is this is awesome.

1439
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:36,800
You don't need to give me the
credit.

1440
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:42,900
He'll come on Kimberly I know
but still you pointed it out to

1441
01:32:42,900 --> 01:32:47,200
me.
All right, so you want me to

1442
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:51,200
continue because it gets better?
Yes, yes I do.

1443
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:56,800
Okay, it gets better.
Okay, so so, so the Lord reveals

1444
01:32:56,800 --> 01:32:59,000
to Joseph Smith.
They are, he says, for your

1445
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:02,200
lawful are so that's plural.
So again, not just talking about

1446
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:06,600
Joseph, but talking about
Brigham Young Heber C, Kimball

1447
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:11,400
like these leaving Elders of the
church they are according to the

1448
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:15,500
flesh.
So again they are Have the

1449
01:33:15,500 --> 01:33:18,800
bloodline of Jesus Christ.
They've been hit from the world

1450
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:23,200
with Christ and that says,
therefore first 10 your life and

1451
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:28,100
the priesthood have remained and
must beads remained through you.

1452
01:33:28,100 --> 01:33:33,500
And your lineage until the
restoration of all things spoken

1453
01:33:33,500 --> 01:33:36,500
by the mouth of the Holy
prophets since the world began.

1454
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:41,800
So that priesthood has to remain
through who the lineage of

1455
01:33:42,500 --> 01:33:44,700
Joseph Smith.
Brigham Young Heber C.

1456
01:33:44,700 --> 01:33:49,400
Kimball John Taylor, Charlie
Pratt Orson hide until the

1457
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:51,600
restoration of all things,
right?

1458
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:53,900
We had a restoration of all
things yet.

1459
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:56,400
I would say no.
I think they're still more out

1460
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:58,800
there that we well we know we
need more scriptures.

1461
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:01,300
We know those are out there.
Who knows?

1462
01:34:01,300 --> 01:34:04,800
What kind of covenants.
Those scriptures have.

1463
01:34:05,100 --> 01:34:07,300
So no, I would say no, we're not
done yet.

1464
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:11,800
With the restoration porting to
Bruce mcconkie, who is a great?

1465
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:15,800
Yep, Theologian gospel scholar.
He said that the rest

1466
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:18,300
restitution of all things
doesn't happen until the end of

1467
01:34:18,300 --> 01:34:23,500
the Millennium, right?
So the priesthood that God has

1468
01:34:23,500 --> 01:34:26,100
reached their present given to
Abraham and Everlasting.

1469
01:34:26,100 --> 01:34:31,200
Covenant, has to remain through
who the lineage of Joseph Smith.

1470
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:33,900
Brigham Young John Taylor.
Yep.

1471
01:34:33,900 --> 01:34:36,300
Until the restoration it has to
remain.

1472
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:40,300
So Okay.
So that's important understand

1473
01:34:40,300 --> 01:34:43,900
that we have to understand that
and then in verse 11, it says

1474
01:34:43,900 --> 01:34:47,900
therefore blessed are.
Ye if you continue in my

1475
01:34:47,900 --> 01:34:51,000
goodness which what would be his
goodness.

1476
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:55,300
Continue in him having it?
Yeah, right goodness.

1477
01:34:55,300 --> 01:35:00,300
Well goodness can be Covenant
were a lot of things a light

1478
01:35:00,300 --> 01:35:06,300
unto the Gentiles and through
this priesthood a savior unto,

1479
01:35:06,300 --> 01:35:10,000
my people.
Israel, the Lord has said, amen.

1480
01:35:10,700 --> 01:35:16,600
Wow, they are to be savior.
This is how you gather Israel.

1481
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:17,900
Yep.
Right.

1482
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:22,100
This is how you become a savior
to the house of Israel.

1483
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:24,500
How are you going to gather them
back in?

1484
01:35:24,500 --> 01:35:27,400
It's a bloodline rights Tara
tea.

1485
01:35:29,100 --> 01:35:35,500
How do you have posterity?
Yep, kids You have kids you have

1486
01:35:35,500 --> 01:35:37,500
kids, you get married, you have
children.

1487
01:35:37,500 --> 01:35:41,100
Yeah.
Right.

1488
01:35:41,100 --> 01:35:48,000
So In section 132 of the
Doctrine and Covenants.

1489
01:35:50,300 --> 01:35:56,900
It says 132 verse 63.
It says wives are given into a

1490
01:35:56,900 --> 01:36:01,000
husband to multiply and
replenish the Earth according to

1491
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:03,900
my commandment and for their
exaltation.

1492
01:36:03,900 --> 01:36:06,300
And they turn our worlds that
they may bear.

1493
01:36:06,300 --> 01:36:11,200
The Souls of men for here in is
the work of my father continued,

1494
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:19,800
that he may be glorified. and
so, again, this isn't about You

1495
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:23,500
know, people want to say that it
is just about that Brigham.

1496
01:36:23,500 --> 01:36:28,600
Young was this they want to
paint him as this man who was

1497
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:34,800
just out for having sex with a
whole bunch of women.

1498
01:36:35,300 --> 01:36:39,900
He's saying, no wives are giving
him two husbands so that they

1499
01:36:39,900 --> 01:36:43,800
can bear The Souls of men and
not just any man, right?

1500
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:46,100
Whoo.
What kind of souls is God trying

1501
01:36:46,100 --> 01:36:49,600
to bring into this world, we're
talking about the lineage of

1502
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:53,000
Jesus, right?
The right that that very

1503
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:56,500
lineage, right and Bruce are
McConkey.

1504
01:36:56,500 --> 01:37:00,800
Also Tata.
That let me get the quote

1505
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:02,500
because it's just better to
quote.

1506
01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:11,600
I think he might have been
quoting Joseph Smith so it's let

1507
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:15,100
me just see if I can find it.
He says Israel is an eternal

1508
01:37:15,100 --> 01:37:17,700
people.
She came into being as a chosen

1509
01:37:17,700 --> 01:37:21,000
in separate congregation before
the foundations of the earth

1510
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:24,200
were laid.
She was a distinct and peculiar

1511
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:28,500
people in pre-existence.
Even as she is in this sphere,

1512
01:37:28,700 --> 01:37:32,800
her numbers were known before
their Myrtle mortal birth and

1513
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:35,600
the Very land surface of the
Earth was divided to the

1514
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:38,900
nation's for their Returns
according to the number of the

1515
01:37:38,900 --> 01:37:42,300
children of Israel.
In other words.

1516
01:37:43,700 --> 01:37:47,500
Israel was established before
the foundation of the earth so

1517
01:37:47,700 --> 01:37:53,000
God needs certain men and women
who are already of that lineage

1518
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:58,000
before the Earth to continue to
Bear seeds of the chosen.

1519
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:01,800
Lineage on this earth, right?
That makes sense.

1520
01:38:01,900 --> 01:38:05,500
It makes total sense.
Yes, it's just not any matter

1521
01:38:05,500 --> 01:38:09,100
woman in her chosen, it know the
specific men and women who are

1522
01:38:09,100 --> 01:38:14,600
chosen to carry on. the
Covenant, the priesthood through

1523
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:18,200
lineage, or through their
posterity, so that God can then

1524
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:26,300
send Pure Israel to Pure Israel.
Mother like daughter, right?

1525
01:38:27,200 --> 01:38:30,500
Wow.
That's powerful stuff.

1526
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:38,900
It's very powerful and, and you
know that, like so we can't have

1527
01:38:38,900 --> 01:38:42,600
eternal life, right?
Right without passing through

1528
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:45,800
mortality.
And that without me without

1529
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:47,800
being proven through temporal
life.

1530
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:53,600
And so it's obvious that the
Covenant of marriage, it opens

1531
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:57,700
the gate to birth to continue
the work of God on Earth.

1532
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:03,600
And so a righteous man with
righteous wives or opening the

1533
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:07,800
birth to multiple of those
spirits of the House of Israel

1534
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:09,900
that are waiting to come to the
Earth.

1535
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:12,600
Yep, that makes sense.
No, it makes perfect sense.

1536
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:18,300
It makes perfect sense.
And, and I think, I think when

1537
01:39:18,300 --> 01:39:23,700
it's put in this context, the
beauty of of, of the doctrine of

1538
01:39:23,700 --> 01:39:26,400
plural, marriage comes forward,
right?

1539
01:39:26,500 --> 01:39:35,200
And and you begin to understand
that, that this I'm trying to

1540
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:40,800
say this here.
Not everybody's is Is going to

1541
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:44,200
live plural, marriage, either
here or the Hereafter, I just

1542
01:39:44,200 --> 01:39:45,400
don't think it's going to
happen.

1543
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:51,000
Nonetheless.
It is an important principle and

1544
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:55,300
maybe and maybe there's a reason
why it's not instituted amongst,

1545
01:39:55,300 --> 01:39:57,600
all right?
We certainly know in the early

1546
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:01,900
LDS church it wasn't and maybe
that was part of that vetting

1547
01:40:01,900 --> 01:40:05,000
process that happened.
So just I shouldn't say vetting

1548
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:07,700
process.
But maybe that's the reason why

1549
01:40:07,700 --> 01:40:11,200
Joseph had to sign off on every
one of them, right?

1550
01:40:11,500 --> 01:40:14,500
So because he could look with
spiritual eyes and say, you know

1551
01:40:14,500 --> 01:40:17,100
what, I think, I think that's an
Israelite right there.

1552
01:40:18,500 --> 01:40:21,000
Right.
Well, I have some quotes I want

1553
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:22,600
to share with you on that.
Sure.

1554
01:40:23,100 --> 01:40:24,700
Okay.
Because it's actually very

1555
01:40:24,700 --> 01:40:28,100
fascinating again, because we're
when we get to the heart of this

1556
01:40:28,100 --> 01:40:36,300
this this gets you like like you
for me, it was I can't believe

1557
01:40:36,300 --> 01:40:38,900
that this is my faith, this is
my Heritage and I am so

1558
01:40:38,900 --> 01:40:44,000
thankful.
So first of all, mosiah Hancock,

1559
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:49,100
he said, speaking of lineage, he
said, quote, I wish to right now

1560
01:40:49,100 --> 01:40:52,900
of the Prophet Joseph Smith, The
Lord revealed to this Prophet as

1561
01:40:52,900 --> 01:40:56,500
early as the year 1831.
The in consequence of great

1562
01:40:56,500 --> 01:41:00,400
wickedness which would come upon
the Earth in the latter days, it

1563
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:04,000
would be necessary for great men
to take the noblest wives.

1564
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:08,100
The Lord had reserved the most
noble of his choice spirits to

1565
01:41:08,100 --> 01:41:11,700
come forth through a pure
lineage, as the noble.

1566
01:41:11,700 --> 01:41:14,500
Spirits were not willing to come
through a lineage that was

1567
01:41:14,500 --> 01:41:16,100
corrupt.
Close quote.

1568
01:41:16,900 --> 01:41:21,300
Wow.
So so we're talking about the

1569
01:41:21,300 --> 01:41:23,000
men and women of the
restoration.

1570
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:26,700
Are going.
We're going to bring forth the

1571
01:41:26,700 --> 01:41:33,300
noblest of spirits, right?
And if you think about, well are

1572
01:41:33,300 --> 01:41:37,600
so are some, are, are we some of
those Noble Spirits by, if you

1573
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:42,900
are a descendant of plural
marriage, right now, this is

1574
01:41:42,900 --> 01:41:46,400
your heritage who God is saying
who you are, right?

1575
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:51,600
You are these Noble House of
Israel, that has that you have

1576
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:56,600
been preserved to come through a
I'm Right?

1577
01:41:56,600 --> 01:42:01,700
When the pure lineage is of of
Israel, we're going to be

1578
01:42:01,700 --> 01:42:04,500
restored in the last days.
Yeah.

1579
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:08,500
And so can you imagine how hard
they in is working to get you to

1580
01:42:08,500 --> 01:42:13,800
not know your heritage, to not
know your lineage and did then

1581
01:42:14,500 --> 01:42:18,400
cut yourself off from those men
and women, right?

1582
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:21,900
He's gonna transform the truth
into a lie and make you think

1583
01:42:21,900 --> 01:42:27,100
that polygamy is icky and it is
gross and the Brigham Young

1584
01:42:27,100 --> 01:42:28,900
didn't know what.
He didn't know what he was doing

1585
01:42:28,900 --> 01:42:31,100
and he wasn't aligned with
Joseph Smith.

1586
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:35,800
All the things I've heard.
Can you are so what what why

1587
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:37,900
would Satan want to tax our
marriage?

1588
01:42:38,500 --> 01:42:42,500
Because again it's about
attacking the priesthood, right?

1589
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:46,900
Because if he can stop these
lineages from coming forth, he

1590
01:42:46,900 --> 01:42:51,500
stops the priesthood.
And the priesthood is what book

1591
01:42:51,500 --> 01:42:54,300
of Revelation said, how is Satan
cast out?

1592
01:42:54,900 --> 01:42:57,300
Was through priesthood, he
stood, you up, how is he going

1593
01:42:57,300 --> 01:43:00,400
to be cast out in the Millennium
through priesthood, so he has to

1594
01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:03,400
stop the priesthood lineage from
continuing on the Earth.

1595
01:43:03,900 --> 01:43:05,400
He's going to attack your
marriage.

1596
01:43:07,100 --> 01:43:11,700
Hey so we need to go into this
but then I do want to Bear

1597
01:43:11,700 --> 01:43:14,000
another.
I there's a couple things I want

1598
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:17,800
to share with you but going into
priesthood lineage and some of

1599
01:43:17,808 --> 01:43:19,400
these men and women and who they
are.

1600
01:43:19,500 --> 01:43:24,500
I want to talk about that.
But since we're on, The topic of

1601
01:43:24,500 --> 01:43:29,800
why Satan is working hard to get
us to fight against our

1602
01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:31,900
marriage.
I just want to read you some

1603
01:43:31,900 --> 01:43:34,600
scriptures.
Okay, okay, okay.

1604
01:43:35,500 --> 01:43:39,600
Again, all of this came to me,
as I said, as I started to

1605
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:42,800
studying word, links to
Everlasting Covenant.

1606
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:45,900
So I looked up all the
scriptures on Everlasting

1607
01:43:45,900 --> 01:43:49,000
Covenant, because that's what
marriage is, right?

1608
01:43:49,100 --> 01:43:51,100
Yep.
The Everlasting Covenant, cuz

1609
01:43:51,100 --> 01:43:53,300
it's the promise of priesthood
and and posterity.

1610
01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:56,600
Yeah, right.
The only way you have posterity

1611
01:43:56,600 --> 01:43:58,500
is through Larry's.
Yep.

1612
01:43:58,500 --> 01:44:04,500
Right guys, so I'm just going to
read scriptures and just going

1613
01:44:04,500 --> 01:44:07,500
to briefly read some scriptures
in like the Doctrine and

1614
01:44:07,500 --> 01:44:11,400
Covenants on the Everlasting
Covenant and then you can see

1615
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:15,300
what happens when we when we
turn against that.

1616
01:44:15,500 --> 01:44:21,700
Okay?
So So in Isaiah 24th Bible to

1617
01:44:21,700 --> 01:44:24,200
start there first, then we'll go
into the doctor Covenant.

1618
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:28,100
He says, the Earth also is
defiled under the inhabitants

1619
01:44:28,100 --> 01:44:32,100
thereof because they have
transgressed the laws changed

1620
01:44:32,100 --> 01:44:35,900
the ordinances, and broken
Everlasting Covenant.

1621
01:44:36,700 --> 01:44:39,400
So what was what was Israel's
downfall.

1622
01:44:40,700 --> 01:44:43,800
They broke cabinet, they broke
that Covenant.

1623
01:44:43,800 --> 01:44:50,900
Yeah, they broke Yeah, man.
That's nuts.

1624
01:44:51,700 --> 01:44:57,200
And to think it was essentially
why they're scattered, right?

1625
01:44:57,200 --> 01:44:59,800
They had the God has to scatter
because they they've broken the

1626
01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:04,400
Covenant, you know, God always
keeps a Remnant, but right?

1627
01:45:07,700 --> 01:45:09,100
They broke the Covenant.
Okay.

1628
01:45:09,100 --> 01:45:11,900
So and then in Doctrine Cuts,
let's go through doctor and

1629
01:45:11,900 --> 01:45:13,900
Covenants, okay?
Because there's so many places

1630
01:45:13,900 --> 01:45:16,100
that it talks about the
Everlasting Covenant, that's not

1631
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:20,800
not in section 132.
So in just in section one,

1632
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:26,100
That's the Lord's prophets to
the doctor and Covenants and

1633
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:35,000
he's staying the entire purpose.
For the restoration, right,

1634
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:38,600
right.
And the entire purpose, for the

1635
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:41,100
coming forth of the Book of
Mormon and for the church to be

1636
01:45:41,100 --> 01:45:48,000
established is in verse 22.
He says that mine Everlasting

1637
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:52,100
Covenant might be established
Right?

1638
01:45:52,100 --> 01:45:55,400
So to bring back the Everlast,
so he needs to re-establish it

1639
01:45:55,400 --> 01:45:59,400
in this dispensation, right?
So that's the higher reason that

1640
01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:01,700
he's bringing forth The Book of
Mormon, this, Tyrese, and he's

1641
01:46:01,700 --> 01:46:04,600
bringing forth the restoration,
he's restoring priesthood.

1642
01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:09,200
He's restoring, all of these
Revelations is so that the

1643
01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:14,200
Everlasting Covenant might be
established and then he says in

1644
01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:17,700
section 22.
Verse 1 behold, I say unto you

1645
01:46:17,700 --> 01:46:20,500
that all the old covenants have
I caused to be done away in this

1646
01:46:20,500 --> 01:46:22,300
thing.
Being and this is the new and

1647
01:46:22,300 --> 01:46:26,300
Everlasting Covenant, even that
which was from the beginning.

1648
01:46:28,100 --> 01:46:33,000
So here, the Lord is telling us
that this quote unquote, new and

1649
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:35,000
Everlasting.
Covenant, is actually what was

1650
01:46:35,300 --> 01:46:38,800
from the beginning.
So again, not new to this

1651
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:42,100
dispensation.
Meaning, it's not a new law,

1652
01:46:42,100 --> 01:46:45,100
it's new to this dispensation,
but it was has from the

1653
01:46:45,100 --> 01:46:51,200
beginning, okay?
And then again, in 45 verse 9.

1654
01:46:52,100 --> 01:46:55,500
He says and even so I have set
my Everlasting Covenant into the

1655
01:46:55,500 --> 01:46:59,800
world to be a light to the world
and to be the standard for my

1656
01:46:59,800 --> 01:47:04,400
people and for the Gentiles to
seek it, and to be a messenger

1657
01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:07,200
before my face to prepare the
way before me.

1658
01:47:08,500 --> 01:47:10,600
Though, this Covenant is to be
the standard.

1659
01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:16,000
Remember?
It's it's the priesthood right?

1660
01:47:16,700 --> 01:47:20,800
To be the standard again.
Priestess coming through lineage

1661
01:47:23,500 --> 01:47:27,600
Again and then in verse section,
49 verse 9, where he the Lord

1662
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:29,100
says, wherefore.
I say unto you.

1663
01:47:29,100 --> 01:47:33,100
That I said unto, you, my
Everlasting Covenant, even that,

1664
01:47:33,100 --> 01:47:38,000
which was from the beginning.
So again, it's fine that this

1665
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:41,200
Covenant is from the beginning.
Yeah, in the Lord's, going out

1666
01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:44,100
of his way to show that.
I mean, he several times he's

1667
01:47:44,100 --> 01:47:47,700
saying, look this this is new to
you but understand this isn't

1668
01:47:47,700 --> 01:47:51,400
new and time Right.
Okay.

1669
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:58,500
And then he says in 60 section.
66 verse 2 verily, I say unto

1670
01:47:58,500 --> 01:48:02,700
you blessed, are you blessed?
Are you for receiving mine?

1671
01:48:02,700 --> 01:48:07,400
Everlasting, Covenant, even the
fullness of my gospel set forth

1672
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:12,000
under the children of men that
they might have life and be made

1673
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:15,600
partakers of the glories, which
are to be revealed in the last

1674
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:18,900
days as it was written by the
prophets and apostles in the

1675
01:48:18,907 --> 01:48:21,800
days of Old.
Who?

1676
01:48:21,900 --> 01:48:25,200
So when we think about glories,
what are we thinking about?

1677
01:48:26,300 --> 01:48:30,900
We're thinking about this is
associated with, with Exile

1678
01:48:30,900 --> 01:48:31,800
patient.
Right?

1679
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:35,300
Do you have The Three Degrees Of
Glory?

1680
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:37,800
Yeah right.
Yep.

1681
01:48:37,900 --> 01:48:40,800
And so he's saying this is how
you are going to be partakers of

1682
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:44,700
that Glory.
Well right, we have to we don't

1683
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:49,700
even if you're not living it,
you're receiving it because your

1684
01:48:49,700 --> 01:48:52,700
lineage is continuing through
those who enter into the

1685
01:48:52,700 --> 01:48:55,300
Everlasting Covenant, you become
errors.

1686
01:48:56,800 --> 01:49:00,800
Through.
Right through that lineage

1687
01:49:00,900 --> 01:49:01,400
right?
Yep.

1688
01:49:01,400 --> 01:49:05,400
Come the sons of the fathers of
the Covenant right sons and

1689
01:49:05,400 --> 01:49:08,900
daughter.
Then Universe 76.

1690
01:49:09,700 --> 01:49:13,300
Okay, this is where the Lord
breaks down and said these for

1691
01:49:13,300 --> 01:49:15,700
the degrees of glory.
And then he's speaking of the

1692
01:49:15,708 --> 01:49:19,700
telestial Kingdom, right?
The to be Louis Kingdom.

1693
01:49:19,700 --> 01:49:28,300
He said, but To the slush into
the telestial kingdom and 76

1694
01:49:28,300 --> 01:49:30,900
first 101.
He says, but received not the

1695
01:49:30,900 --> 01:49:36,300
gospel, neither the testimony of
Jesus, neither the prophets,

1696
01:49:36,700 --> 01:49:41,700
neither, the Everlasting
Covenant, Wow.

1697
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:46,900
So Dave, then what is the
implication of fighting against

1698
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:50,400
for marriage?
You won't be able to get to the

1699
01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:55,400
Celestial Kingdom you that you
essentially inherit the tea.

1700
01:49:55,400 --> 01:49:56,900
Last, you'll be Louis, calm
down.

1701
01:49:57,200 --> 01:49:59,400
Yeah, your fight.
It says you receive not the

1702
01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:02,900
prophets, right?
Who are the prophets, the enter

1703
01:50:02,900 --> 01:50:06,300
into this Covenant to Abraham?
Isaac, Jacob, yep.

1704
01:50:06,900 --> 01:50:09,500
And then, in our dispensation
Joseph Smith forgive me.

1705
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:10,800
Young.
Yep, you're sick.

1706
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:15,000
It almost carried on the
Covenant that received it from

1707
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:19,000
Joseph Smith and then lived it
despite being persecuted

1708
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:22,900
against, right, right.
You right at.

1709
01:50:22,900 --> 01:50:25,700
So it's this is there, the
serious implications here?

1710
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:28,800
You're not.
So essentially, you cut yourself

1711
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:32,200
off from root and Branch, right?
Yeah.

1712
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:37,800
You cut yourself off from being
an inheritor of the abrahamic,

1713
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:40,900
covenant, not only for yourself,
but then for your posterity,

1714
01:50:41,200 --> 01:50:44,200
right?
So that's pretty serious.

1715
01:50:45,500 --> 01:50:52,500
That's very serious offenses.
You don't I'm a guy and I can

1716
01:50:52,500 --> 01:50:58,200
speak with to this with a little
bit of Experience, I guess is

1717
01:50:58,200 --> 01:51:02,600
the word I'm looking for.
On my side of the family.

1718
01:51:05,400 --> 01:51:07,100
For reasons, I won't get into
here.

1719
01:51:07,100 --> 01:51:12,300
My dad had to change his last
name and it's been hard to do

1720
01:51:12,300 --> 01:51:17,800
genealogy on my dad's side.
And there is something to be

1721
01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:19,800
said to know where you came
from.

1722
01:51:21,200 --> 01:51:25,500
To know who your people are.
And when you don't have that

1723
01:51:25,500 --> 01:51:29,600
that can leave you kind of
unanchored, right?

1724
01:51:29,700 --> 01:51:33,800
And I think what's beautiful
here is that that the Lord is

1725
01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:38,700
showing that how important it is
that that we are anchored to our

1726
01:51:38,700 --> 01:51:43,800
ancestors as as Abraham's seed
as Abraham's children.

1727
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:48,100
Right.
Yeah.

1728
01:51:48,200 --> 01:51:56,500
It's very, very important and
And what anchors is to that.

1729
01:51:56,500 --> 01:51:58,700
Then, right.
It's the sealing power of

1730
01:51:58,700 --> 01:52:04,200
Elijah, right?
And so, when what's interesting

1731
01:52:04,200 --> 01:52:07,800
to me to is in this doctrine of
Christ movement, right?

1732
01:52:07,800 --> 01:52:12,100
They they so they reject
everything.

1733
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:16,300
Any Covenant, that's not what
they say is baptism of fire and

1734
01:52:16,300 --> 01:52:19,700
holy ghost or anything that they
say isn't found in the Book of

1735
01:52:19,700 --> 01:52:23,300
Mormon.
Would they think isn't found in

1736
01:52:23,300 --> 01:52:25,700
the Book of Mormon?
And what's interesting to me

1737
01:52:25,700 --> 01:52:28,300
though, is that when the Lord
reveals the Book of Mormon to

1738
01:52:28,300 --> 01:52:33,100
Joseph Smith in September of
1823 Moroni heat receives a

1739
01:52:33,100 --> 01:52:35,400
visit from Moroni, if you
remember.

1740
01:52:35,700 --> 01:52:39,400
Yep.
So he receives it and what is

1741
01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:41,500
wrong?
I tell him specifically.

1742
01:52:41,900 --> 01:52:45,000
He said you're going to receive,
you know, you're going to

1743
01:52:45,008 --> 01:52:50,300
receive the plate for the Book
of Mormon and then he said that

1744
01:52:53,900 --> 01:52:58,000
The that after he's translated
The Book of Mormon, he says that

1745
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:03,000
Elijah will reveal his
priesthood to you, right?

1746
01:53:03,100 --> 01:53:05,800
So yep.
The two things, the mission of

1747
01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:09,200
Joseph Smith was to bring forth
The Book of Mormon and then to

1748
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:12,400
receive a fullness of the
priesthood through Elijah,

1749
01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:15,400
right, right.
So, who is the aphasia?

1750
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:22,200
Why is he, why is he important
to this Everlasting Covenant?

1751
01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:27,200
Well, because he's the one that
that really, you gotta go back

1752
01:53:27,200 --> 01:53:29,900
to the hearts of the fathers
hearts of the children being

1753
01:53:29,900 --> 01:53:32,400
turned back to the hearts of the
fathers, right?

1754
01:53:32,600 --> 01:53:36,700
And, and it's this idea of
reconciliation to where it is.

1755
01:53:36,700 --> 01:53:42,000
We've come from and this
reconciliation of parent to

1756
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:46,500
child and all the way back to
Adam, Right.

1757
01:53:46,500 --> 01:53:50,500
Exactly.
And so, so Elijah was required

1758
01:53:50,600 --> 01:53:53,600
to return the new and
Everlasting Covenant of

1759
01:53:53,600 --> 01:53:56,900
marriage, why?
Well, Joseph Smith taught.

1760
01:53:56,900 --> 01:54:00,300
He said Elijah was the last
prophet that held the keys of

1761
01:54:00,300 --> 01:54:03,800
the priesthood and who will
before the last dispensation

1762
01:54:03,800 --> 01:54:06,500
restore the authority and
deliver the keys of the

1763
01:54:06,500 --> 01:54:11,700
priesthood in order that all
ordinances may be attended to

1764
01:54:11,700 --> 01:54:14,900
and righteousness, it is true
that the state of your Had

1765
01:54:14,900 --> 01:54:18,300
Authority and power to bestow
this blessing, but the sons of

1766
01:54:18,300 --> 01:54:21,000
Levi in his day were too
prejudiced.

1767
01:54:21,900 --> 01:54:24,800
So why send Elijah?
Because he holds the keys and

1768
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:27,800
authority to administer in all
of the ordinances of the

1769
01:54:27,800 --> 01:54:29,500
priesthood.
And without the authority is

1770
01:54:29,500 --> 01:54:33,200
given in ordinances could not be
administered in righteousness.

1771
01:54:34,200 --> 01:54:38,700
so, in other words, Elijah was
the last prophet to hold the

1772
01:54:38,700 --> 01:54:42,900
ceiling power associated with
the fullness of the Melchizedek

1773
01:54:42,900 --> 01:54:46,900
priesthood.
And therefore, it's his role to

1774
01:54:46,900 --> 01:54:50,400
return to the Earth to fulfill
the words of Malachi, right?

1775
01:54:50,500 --> 01:54:53,200
How do you turn the hearts of
the children to the father's?

1776
01:54:53,700 --> 01:54:58,300
It's through the sealing power.
Yep, the sealing power of the

1777
01:54:58,300 --> 01:55:03,100
priesthood and option.
So without the sealing power,

1778
01:55:03,500 --> 01:55:07,100
marriages and families are not
sealed for eternity.

1779
01:55:07,900 --> 01:55:10,100
Okay, right.
Yep.

1780
01:55:11,100 --> 01:55:15,400
Without the sealing power.
So if you're rejecting, if you

1781
01:55:15,400 --> 01:55:20,500
reject section 132, you reject
like Eternal Marriage even for a

1782
01:55:20,500 --> 01:55:23,500
monogamous monogamous couple
essentially, yeah, from a

1783
01:55:23,500 --> 01:55:29,700
monogamist a coming and Right.
Right.

1784
01:55:29,700 --> 01:55:32,900
So Joseph Smith essentially link
the power of Elijah through the

1785
01:55:32,900 --> 01:55:35,200
fullness of the Melchizedek
priesthood.

1786
01:55:36,500 --> 01:55:40,700
So we know that Elijah lived in
Israel at the time when they did

1787
01:55:40,700 --> 01:55:46,200
not have access to the milk
hesitant priesthood and Right.

1788
01:55:46,200 --> 01:55:49,200
Thanks because Israel rebelled,
right again, right?

1789
01:55:49,200 --> 01:55:53,200
Yep, their bloodlines were
scattered and so Elijah alone

1790
01:55:53,200 --> 01:55:56,500
then held the priest because he
has to continue the priesthood,

1791
01:55:56,500 --> 01:56:01,100
right?
Right there, Joseph Smith taught

1792
01:56:01,600 --> 01:56:03,500
that.
So what's the power of

1793
01:56:03,500 --> 01:56:06,100
Melchizedek?
It was not the priesthood of

1794
01:56:06,100 --> 01:56:09,300
Aaron which administered in
outward ordinances and offering

1795
01:56:09,300 --> 01:56:11,700
sacrifices.
Those holding the fullness of

1796
01:56:11,700 --> 01:56:14,300
the Melchizedek priesthood are
Kings and priest of the most

1797
01:56:14,300 --> 01:56:17,800
high God.
Adding the keys in the power and

1798
01:56:17,800 --> 01:56:22,200
blessings.
So, Joseph Smith and Brigham

1799
01:56:22,200 --> 01:56:26,800
Young.
Joseph Smith receives the the

1800
01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:29,500
keys and priesthood of Elijah.
He gives us to Brigham Young.

1801
01:56:29,500 --> 01:56:31,900
They are now they hope the
fullness of the priesthood and

1802
01:56:31,900 --> 01:56:35,000
they are Kings and Priests unto
God, right?

1803
01:56:36,600 --> 01:56:39,400
Right establishing the fullness
of this priest day.

1804
01:56:41,900 --> 01:56:45,800
So and then revealing the
covenants of the father's to the

1805
01:56:45,800 --> 01:56:50,300
children right which covenants
of the fathers are our charcoal

1806
01:56:50,300 --> 01:56:54,600
fathers who have Everlasting,
Covenant of priesthood and

1807
01:56:54,600 --> 01:56:59,300
endless posterity.
Absolutely cannot obtain except

1808
01:56:59,300 --> 01:57:03,300
for through them which is that
what exaltation is?

1809
01:57:03,600 --> 01:57:05,700
Yep.
Yep.

1810
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:14,600
Wow, and you even do a guy like
me who has not shied away.

1811
01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:20,200
Necessarily academically for a
number of years on plural

1812
01:57:20,200 --> 01:57:22,700
marriage.
This puts it into a whole new

1813
01:57:22,700 --> 01:57:25,200
light, right?
That the whole how it's

1814
01:57:25,200 --> 01:57:32,100
connected with priesthood at
such a fundamental level is It

1815
01:57:32,100 --> 01:57:35,300
puts thing in things into proper
perspective.

1816
01:57:37,500 --> 01:57:41,100
Wow.
Then all of a sudden what we

1817
01:57:41,100 --> 01:57:43,900
thought was never your old
school Doctrine is now.

1818
01:57:45,300 --> 01:57:47,800
A pretty big matter of
importance, spiritually.

1819
01:57:50,200 --> 01:57:54,000
It's very important and and then
I can just read one more

1820
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:58,500
scripture and then I do have
something from church history to

1821
01:57:58,500 --> 01:58:00,600
share that.
I think is actually very, very

1822
01:58:00,600 --> 01:58:03,300
significant so it's okay.
Infection 131.

1823
01:58:03,300 --> 01:58:07,300
Then again, because we said that
this was tied to priesthood, and

1824
01:58:07,300 --> 01:58:10,900
this is how the priesthood is
going to continue until through

1825
01:58:10,900 --> 01:58:12,700
the end of the Millennium,
right?

1826
01:58:12,800 --> 01:58:14,800
What we talked about.
So in dr.

1827
01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:18,800
Cummings 131 verses, 1 through
4, the Lord says, in the

1828
01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:21,900
celestial Glory There are three
Heavens or degrees and in order

1829
01:58:21,900 --> 01:58:25,500
to obtain the highest a man must
enter into this order of the

1830
01:58:25,500 --> 01:58:29,500
priesthood, meaning, the new and
Everlasting Covenant of

1831
01:58:29,500 --> 01:58:31,800
marriage.
And if he does not, he cannot

1832
01:58:31,800 --> 01:58:35,100
obtain.
It, he may enter into the other

1833
01:58:35,100 --> 01:58:36,900
but that is the end of his
kingdom.

1834
01:58:36,900 --> 01:58:41,000
He cannot have an increase.
So, according to this section,

1835
01:58:41,400 --> 01:58:47,200
he the Lord is tying.
Marriage to an order of the

1836
01:58:47,200 --> 01:58:49,700
priesthood, right?
Yep.

1837
01:58:49,700 --> 01:58:52,600
And then he says, you can.
Why is it the end of your

1838
01:58:52,600 --> 01:58:54,100
kingdom?
If you do not enter into this

1839
01:58:54,100 --> 01:58:55,600
Covenant, the end of your
kingdom.

1840
01:58:57,100 --> 01:59:01,400
Because in order to what is
having posterity, it's about

1841
01:59:01,500 --> 01:59:04,000
multiplying, the priesthood
right.

1842
01:59:04,900 --> 01:59:08,500
Having a God's kingdom is a
kingdom of priests Kings and

1843
01:59:08,500 --> 01:59:11,300
Priests, right?
So if you're going to have a

1844
01:59:11,300 --> 01:59:13,500
kingdom of priests, they have to
have the fullness of the

1845
01:59:13,508 --> 01:59:16,200
priesthood, then they have to
have stay'd to pass that

1846
01:59:16,200 --> 01:59:18,400
priesthood onto.
So if you're not willing to

1847
01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:20,900
enter into this priesthood
order, which is the new and

1848
01:59:20,900 --> 01:59:23,700
Everlasting Covenant of
marriage, then then you have an

1849
01:59:23,700 --> 01:59:29,300
end, right?
Because their God doesn't, he

1850
01:59:29,300 --> 01:59:31,900
doesn't want you to have see,
just for the sake of having

1851
01:59:31,900 --> 01:59:36,600
seed, you, he wants you to have
seed with in that Covenant to

1852
01:59:36,600 --> 01:59:39,600
carry on the Covenant, which is
the priesthood.

1853
01:59:40,400 --> 01:59:43,300
Yeah.
And and I think it's best and,

1854
01:59:43,600 --> 01:59:48,900
you know, I'm sorry.
Go ahead, there's a little bit

1855
01:59:48,900 --> 01:59:57,300
of a delay, I apologize.
Um, I think I'm that I think I

1856
01:59:57,300 --> 02:00:01,600
think this is really starting to
get into that realm to of what

1857
02:00:01,600 --> 02:00:05,100
was called the mysteries of
godliness, right?

1858
02:00:05,200 --> 02:00:10,700
Because these have such Eternal
consequences to them, right?

1859
02:00:11,200 --> 02:00:16,600
Sometimes I think certainly is
Mormons of every stripe.

1860
02:00:16,600 --> 02:00:19,900
I think we have this idea of
well we get sealed so we can

1861
02:00:19,900 --> 02:00:23,100
have kids forever.
Because gosh, we just love our

1862
02:00:23,100 --> 02:00:25,800
kids and certainly that's a part
of it.

1863
02:00:26,400 --> 02:00:31,400
But I think what we're seeing
here is God.

1864
02:00:31,400 --> 02:00:39,000
Kindly God laying out the plan
of how how that, How the Gods

1865
02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:42,200
continue, I guess, I don't know.
I'm trying not to sound too

1866
02:00:42,200 --> 02:00:44,300
sacrilegious and just throw
around terms.

1867
02:00:45,000 --> 02:00:52,200
But Right.
So, so when you really dig into

1868
02:00:56,200 --> 02:00:59,700
Like like I said that there what
are the reasons that we have

1869
02:00:59,700 --> 02:01:01,900
priesthood being restored?
A novel was first of all that

1870
02:01:01,900 --> 02:01:06,000
Joseph Smith didn't receive you
know the priest of Elijah until

1871
02:01:06,000 --> 02:01:07,700
1836.
Right?

1872
02:01:07,700 --> 02:01:12,000
And then and so technically he's
he's trying to prepare the

1873
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:17,000
people he hadn't even revealed
to anybody until ma boo that he

1874
02:01:17,000 --> 02:01:20,000
had the priest of Elijah.
He always he talked about

1875
02:01:20,000 --> 02:01:24,500
receiving these Keys like almost
futuristic because you know,

1876
02:01:24,500 --> 02:01:27,400
they didn't really know.
No, outside of Oliver cowdery.

1877
02:01:27,400 --> 02:01:29,600
They didn't really know he'd
receive this priest attorneys

1878
02:01:29,600 --> 02:01:35,500
keys, but he's between 1836.
And, in 1841, he's slowly trying

1879
02:01:35,500 --> 02:01:40,200
to prepare their minds and and
trying to teach them, you know,

1880
02:01:40,200 --> 02:01:43,700
the Lord doesn't just, you know,
vomit truth on people.

1881
02:01:43,700 --> 02:01:47,800
He teaches them line upon line
precept upon precept and so you

1882
02:01:47,800 --> 02:01:49,600
have it.
So it's really important

1883
02:01:49,600 --> 02:01:53,800
understand that it you know, why
did he wait until Nauvoo it?

1884
02:01:53,900 --> 02:01:55,800
And that is because first of
all, he didn't receive Until

1885
02:01:55,800 --> 02:01:58,000
1836.
But then he also has to prepare

1886
02:01:58,000 --> 02:02:03,900
the people for these things and
just trying to pull up this this

1887
02:02:03,900 --> 02:02:08,000
quote here because it's actually
fascinating and like we said

1888
02:02:08,000 --> 02:02:12,100
before, he's its Joseph Smith
alone held the keys and Abu

1889
02:02:12,500 --> 02:02:18,300
where he could turn the key of
Revelation and know who was Who

1890
02:02:18,300 --> 02:02:21,000
are essentially of the right?
Lineage or the right.

1891
02:02:23,000 --> 02:02:29,800
Birthright were chosen by God to
establish it to re-establish or

1892
02:02:29,800 --> 02:02:31,900
to restore this Everlasting
Covenant.

1893
02:02:32,700 --> 02:02:37,400
And so I just found it
interesting that there's not

1894
02:02:37,400 --> 02:02:46,200
many of they there aren't many
of the ceiling of the Joseph

1895
02:02:46,200 --> 02:02:49,500
Smith, like, the actual words
have been revealed, I don't

1896
02:02:49,800 --> 02:02:54,300
know, but I started going and
trying to study some of the

1897
02:02:54,300 --> 02:02:58,600
words of the actual, the actual
City ceiling of Joseph Smith to,

1898
02:02:58,600 --> 02:03:06,600
some of his wives and I think
the ceiling between Sara and

1899
02:03:06,600 --> 02:03:10,200
Whitney and Joseph Smith is
actually very significant and if

1900
02:03:10,200 --> 02:03:13,800
so if you don't mind if, if I
could read that, absolutely,

1901
02:03:13,800 --> 02:03:17,300
please do.
Look, this is this shows all

1902
02:03:17,300 --> 02:03:19,000
about you at this point,
Kimberly.

1903
02:03:19,300 --> 02:03:21,100
I'm just here for the ride.
Your awesome.

1904
02:03:21,100 --> 02:03:23,700
So, whatever you want to do is
great with me.

1905
02:03:25,700 --> 02:03:28,900
Okay.
Okay, so Sarah and Whitney.

1906
02:03:28,900 --> 02:03:32,500
She is honor of Bishop milk, a
Whitney and Elizabeth and

1907
02:03:32,500 --> 02:03:36,600
Whitney.
And so I'm going to read the

1908
02:03:36,600 --> 02:03:39,600
words of the ceiling, Covenant
between Sarah and Whitney and

1909
02:03:39,600 --> 02:03:43,900
the Prophet Joseph Smith.
And then I want to then read you

1910
02:03:44,500 --> 02:03:46,000
the patriarchal blessing of new,
Okay?

1911
02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:52,400
Whitney and his wife, and it's
fascinating.

1912
02:03:52,800 --> 02:03:55,900
So In the ceiling, Covenant,
between Sarah and Whitney and

1913
02:03:55,900 --> 02:03:59,200
Joseph Smith.
The Lord said, if you both agree

1914
02:03:59,200 --> 02:04:02,600
to Covenant and and to do this
meaning, enter into the

1915
02:04:03,000 --> 02:04:06,800
Everlasting Covenant of
marriage, Eternal Marriage, that

1916
02:04:06,800 --> 02:04:10,000
I give you Sara and Whitney, my
daughter to Joseph Smith, to be

1917
02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:14,400
his wife to observe all the
rights between you, both belong

1918
02:04:14,400 --> 02:04:17,700
to that condition.
I do it in my own name and in

1919
02:04:17,700 --> 02:04:19,500
the name of my wife, your
mother.

1920
02:04:20,300 --> 02:04:24,400
So in other words, the Lord
revealed this Stu.

1921
02:04:25,800 --> 02:04:27,600
You okay.
Whitney who then perform the

1922
02:04:27,608 --> 02:04:29,000
ceremony.
Right?

1923
02:04:29,300 --> 02:04:32,900
This is what the Lord revealed
to him, okay, so this is who's

1924
02:04:32,900 --> 02:04:37,100
speaking. so he says, I do it in
my own name, in the name of my

1925
02:04:37,100 --> 02:04:42,000
wife, your mother, and in the
name of my holy progenitors by

1926
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:46,700
the right of birth, which is of
priesthood vested in Me by

1927
02:04:46,700 --> 02:04:50,600
Revelation and commandment and
promise of the Living God

1928
02:04:50,800 --> 02:04:56,000
obtained by the holy milk, has
by the holy Melchizedek and

1929
02:04:56,000 --> 02:05:00,000
other of the Holy fathers
commanding in the name of the

1930
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:03,700
Lord, all those powers to
consecrate in you and your

1931
02:05:03,900 --> 02:05:06,400
posterity forever.
Wow.

1932
02:05:08,300 --> 02:05:14,100
So in other words, he is saying
that the union between Sarah and

1933
02:05:14,100 --> 02:05:20,100
Whitney, the Prophet Joseph
Smith is all of the powers of

1934
02:05:20,100 --> 02:05:24,900
the priesthood of Melchizedek is
going to be consecrated

1935
02:05:24,900 --> 02:05:30,700
concentrated in you in them, and
Sarah, and your pasta and Joseph

1936
02:05:30,700 --> 02:05:32,700
Smith, and your posterity
forever.

1937
02:05:33,700 --> 02:05:38,500
So again, right establishing the
Everlasting Covenant through

1938
02:05:38,500 --> 02:05:41,600
Joseph Smith and Sara and
Whitney who will then go on.

1939
02:05:43,200 --> 02:05:47,500
Through the endless ages of
Eternity bringing forth the seed

1940
02:05:47,600 --> 02:05:50,700
of Melchizedek.
Wow.

1941
02:05:51,100 --> 02:05:53,600
And I say that because listen to
this.

1942
02:05:55,300 --> 02:05:57,200
In the Pixar.
Remember, she's the daughter of

1943
02:05:57,200 --> 02:05:59,600
milk a Whitney right?
In a patriarchal blessing.

1944
02:05:59,600 --> 02:06:06,400
And okay, it says, in as much so
this is the this is To milk.

1945
02:06:06,400 --> 02:06:09,600
A Whitney whose daughter is Sara
Nguyen.

1946
02:06:09,600 --> 02:06:12,400
E, Wright says in as much as
thou knowest.

1947
02:06:12,400 --> 02:06:15,100
I progenitors.
And artist shirt concerning the

1948
02:06:15,100 --> 02:06:17,500
lineage through which thou Hast
descended.

1949
02:06:18,200 --> 02:06:21,600
Now he's identifying lineage, I
blessed the with a father's

1950
02:06:21,600 --> 02:06:25,600
blessing for thee and my
children after thee, for their

1951
02:06:25,600 --> 02:06:30,900
inheritance, has to the end and
as thou art, a descendant of

1952
02:06:30,900 --> 02:06:37,500
Melchizedek, one of my posterity
Shall be likened to hand before

1953
02:06:37,500 --> 02:06:40,100
the Lord.
Wow.

1954
02:06:40,300 --> 02:06:43,500
What did you say?
He says that no.

1955
02:06:43,500 --> 02:06:46,800
Can't Whitney is a literal
Descent of book helideck and

1956
02:06:46,800 --> 02:06:50,400
then he says, one shall be like
unto him.

1957
02:06:50,500 --> 02:06:52,900
One of his posterity is got
here.

1958
02:06:52,900 --> 02:06:55,200
So mu K.
Whitney's going to raise up.

1959
02:06:56,400 --> 02:07:00,700
Eight are who will be like under
Mo cosmetic?

1960
02:07:01,600 --> 02:07:03,600
Milk has it?
If it was greater than Abraham.

1961
02:07:03,800 --> 02:07:09,900
Yeah, he established out.
Who else can raise up someone as

1962
02:07:09,900 --> 02:07:13,700
great as Melchizedek, if not
Sara and Whitney and Joseph

1963
02:07:13,700 --> 02:07:17,700
Smith right now.
Let me ask you this because now

1964
02:07:17,700 --> 02:07:21,600
I'm just curious, not that it
matters because we have all

1965
02:07:21,600 --> 02:07:23,300
eternity.
Did they ever have kids

1966
02:07:23,300 --> 02:07:30,000
together?
and I, I don't believe so.

1967
02:07:30,400 --> 02:07:37,900
Okay, so this isn't again.
When people want to say, Well,

1968
02:07:37,900 --> 02:07:40,700
it has to be fulfilled right
now, right?

1969
02:07:41,000 --> 02:07:44,000
We're talking.
What did that Revelation say?

1970
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:47,100
It said that that the priest
will continues to your lineage

1971
02:07:47,100 --> 02:07:49,900
true until the restoration of
all things.

1972
02:07:51,600 --> 02:07:56,900
Joseph Smith is going to be it
alive in the Millennium, right?

1973
02:07:58,200 --> 02:08:02,300
Yeah.
So well right.

1974
02:08:02,300 --> 02:08:04,600
So what happens at the
resurrection?

1975
02:08:04,600 --> 02:08:09,800
You you resurrect Your Righteous
husband will resurrect?

1976
02:08:09,800 --> 02:08:13,900
Who has fought his family all
the way back to me Father.

1977
02:08:13,900 --> 02:08:15,100
Yep.
Right.

1978
02:08:15,100 --> 02:08:21,000
So his wives So this I believe
this is a future for their

1979
02:08:21,000 --> 02:08:24,000
still, get a future fulfillment
of This Promise.

1980
02:08:24,200 --> 02:08:26,500
Yeah.
Well I think again, we're

1981
02:08:26,500 --> 02:08:30,700
talking Eternal Marriage isn't
just we sometimes we put our

1982
02:08:31,000 --> 02:08:34,600
blinders on and we think this
has to be fulfilled within this

1983
02:08:34,600 --> 02:08:37,300
short, 80 years of my existence
on this Earth.

1984
02:08:37,300 --> 02:08:41,300
And if it's not, then the Lord
was lying when we're like no

1985
02:08:41,300 --> 02:08:43,500
we're talking about eternity,
right?

1986
02:08:43,500 --> 02:08:48,900
This is Eternal Marriage.
So, in Write a future.

1987
02:08:48,900 --> 02:08:51,500
Fulfillment of this prophecy
will come to pass, whether it

1988
02:08:51,500 --> 02:08:53,100
happens.
Now, we're in the Millennium, it

1989
02:08:53,100 --> 02:08:55,600
doesn't matter at some point,
it's going to come to pass.

1990
02:08:56,800 --> 02:09:00,500
write what God says, you know,
he fulfills all of his promises,

1991
02:09:00,600 --> 02:09:08,100
so it's When I look at Mormon
history, I am continually

1992
02:09:08,100 --> 02:09:13,200
fascinated by that early period
in the church, where seems like

1993
02:09:13,200 --> 02:09:16,800
we were just way more bold about
being like, yeah, you're the

1994
02:09:16,800 --> 02:09:20,600
sending them Melchizedek right?
Or or whatnot.

1995
02:09:20,600 --> 02:09:26,100
And it's always fascinating to
me to see how these, how these

1996
02:09:26,108 --> 02:09:29,500
men in church history.
Then you can start to see them

1997
02:09:29,500 --> 02:09:31,500
strive to take on those
characteristics.

1998
02:09:31,500 --> 02:09:36,000
These are, these are things that
Feel in their core and it

1999
02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:41,000
affects their, it affects how
they go forward from this point

2000
02:09:41,200 --> 02:09:43,800
on.
Right.

2001
02:09:44,400 --> 02:09:46,200
Well, that's why.
I think it's important that

2002
02:09:46,200 --> 02:09:48,600
we've kind of lost our identity,
right?

2003
02:09:48,600 --> 02:09:53,200
We as members of the church, we
you see so many like we're

2004
02:09:53,200 --> 02:09:57,800
losing youth.
We're losing were losing like

2005
02:09:57,800 --> 02:10:00,800
members of the churches from of
all ages and I think it's

2006
02:10:00,800 --> 02:10:04,000
because we've lost our identity.
We don't really know who we are.

2007
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:07,300
Like, for example, like, what
does it mean to be a member of

2008
02:10:07,300 --> 02:10:09,200
the House of Israel?
Well, what are you get?

2009
02:10:09,200 --> 02:10:12,500
Our patriarchal blessing?
It's revealed to us our lineage.

2010
02:10:12,800 --> 02:10:16,900
And it's fascinating to me that
the times that I've cut gospel

2011
02:10:16,900 --> 02:10:19,400
Doctrine.
I'll ask, what does it mean to

2012
02:10:19,400 --> 02:10:24,900
be the house of Israel?
And are you Israel and I get

2013
02:10:24,900 --> 02:10:27,800
blank stares or people don't
understand what that means.

2014
02:10:28,200 --> 02:10:31,400
And so if you don't understand
what it means and that the

2015
02:10:31,400 --> 02:10:37,100
lineage that you're a part of
how, what are you living up to?

2016
02:10:37,300 --> 02:10:40,100
Right, that makes sense.
No, absolutely amazing.

2017
02:10:40,100 --> 02:10:43,700
Dad, what you understand, who
you are, and what you're a part

2018
02:10:43,700 --> 02:10:48,500
of like your your attitude
changes your, right?

2019
02:10:48,500 --> 02:10:54,300
Your ho, Your whole purpose
changes and you want to live up

2020
02:10:54,500 --> 02:10:57,500
to a higher standard and it
actually makes you become a

2021
02:10:57,500 --> 02:11:03,000
better person, right?
And so if we, if we take the

2022
02:11:03,000 --> 02:11:09,700
way, if we take away this
understanding and we're fighting

2023
02:11:09,700 --> 02:11:14,800
against these doctrines, we
don't just lose.

2024
02:11:14,800 --> 02:11:18,600
A the restoration, we don't just
lose the church, we lose who we

2025
02:11:18,600 --> 02:11:25,400
are as a people and I think that
we then right then who are we

2026
02:11:25,400 --> 02:11:30,200
cut ourselves off and then we
start living for ourselves and

2027
02:11:30,300 --> 02:11:34,000
and right, and you lose Faith.
You lose.

2028
02:11:34,000 --> 02:11:39,400
Hope we don't.
Yeah, we don't have anything

2029
02:11:39,400 --> 02:11:42,400
that anchors us to who we really
are.

2030
02:11:42,700 --> 02:11:45,600
Let me ask you this real quick.
Why do you think it is that

2031
02:11:45,600 --> 02:11:49,100
we've gotten to this stage?
And I'm not talking, just the

2032
02:11:49,100 --> 02:11:51,100
LDS church.
I think I think this is a

2033
02:11:51,100 --> 02:11:55,300
problem across Mormonism.
Why is it you feel like this has

2034
02:11:55,300 --> 02:12:03,800
been lost on a lot of us.
How has it been lost on us?

2035
02:12:07,600 --> 02:12:13,800
That's a good question.
I it just comes down to I think

2036
02:12:15,000 --> 02:12:19,500
we don't we don't study our
history, right?

2037
02:12:19,600 --> 02:12:24,000
We we don't study the doctrines,
right?

2038
02:12:24,000 --> 02:12:29,000
We're happy to do to read verses
that make us feel comfortable.

2039
02:12:29,600 --> 02:12:37,500
And and then we we listen to
podcasts and let no knocking

2040
02:12:37,500 --> 02:12:40,400
podcast, but where are people
going to get their God?

2041
02:12:40,500 --> 02:12:43,300
People knowledge, they instead
of sitting down and reading the

2042
02:12:43,300 --> 02:12:46,200
scriptures for what they are,
they go and listen to what other

2043
02:12:46,200 --> 02:12:48,700
people have interpreted for
them, right?

2044
02:12:48,700 --> 02:12:52,500
And then it's quite call it
good, you know, this gospel

2045
02:12:52,500 --> 02:12:57,600
scholar told me that you know
that in and you can get you can

2046
02:12:57,600 --> 02:13:00,300
glean really good Insight from
people who have studied the

2047
02:13:00,308 --> 02:13:04,700
scriptures.
But if we fail to obtain this

2048
02:13:04,700 --> 02:13:07,200
knowledge for ourselves, you're
going to lose it.

2049
02:13:07,200 --> 02:13:09,700
It's like the parable of the ten
virgins, right?

2050
02:13:09,900 --> 02:13:14,100
You Give somebody your light.
They actually have to go in

2051
02:13:14,100 --> 02:13:17,100
scriptures and they have to
obtain it for themselves and

2052
02:13:17,100 --> 02:13:22,400
they have to want it, right?
So there is the story of Lucy

2053
02:13:22,400 --> 02:13:28,300
Walker where when she was first
introduced the practice of her

2054
02:13:28,300 --> 02:13:30,600
marriage by Joseph Smith because
she's one of Joseph Smith's

2055
02:13:30,600 --> 02:13:36,700
wives, she went and prayed and
she she tells the story of how

2056
02:13:36,700 --> 02:13:40,400
she didn't have a sincere desire
to know.

2057
02:13:40,500 --> 02:13:45,500
No, she she agreed to pray but
she didn't really want to know

2058
02:13:45,500 --> 02:13:47,700
and she didn't really want the
answer.

2059
02:13:47,700 --> 02:13:54,000
And so she said that she sat in
darkness and was depressed and

2060
02:13:54,000 --> 02:13:57,900
until she decided, okay, I'm
going to pray with a sincere

2061
02:13:57,900 --> 02:14:02,600
heart and with a desire to know
and what she decided, I'm just

2062
02:14:02,600 --> 02:14:04,000
going to I'm going to pray
sincerely.

2063
02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:07,800
Then she received her answer and
then she talks about how she was

2064
02:14:07,800 --> 02:14:10,900
flooded with all of this light.
And Ending.

2065
02:14:12,100 --> 02:14:16,100
Right.
So God doesn't ever give you

2066
02:14:16,300 --> 02:14:21,100
give any man, a revelation or an
answer to a revelation without

2067
02:14:21,100 --> 02:14:25,900
reasons for understanding it.
So if we go, if we're going to

2068
02:14:25,900 --> 02:14:28,900
the Lord in prayer saying, okay,
is this true?

2069
02:14:28,900 --> 02:14:31,700
God I am, but your attitude is I
don't really want to know what I

2070
02:14:31,700 --> 02:14:33,200
want you to tell me that it's
wrong.

2071
02:14:34,000 --> 02:14:35,600
You're not going to get an
answer.

2072
02:14:35,800 --> 02:14:38,700
And in fact you might get an
answer from the wrong Source, it

2073
02:14:38,708 --> 02:14:42,800
will confirm to you.
You know, what you want to hear

2074
02:14:43,700 --> 02:14:48,300
versus right?
The truth because God isn't

2075
02:14:48,300 --> 02:14:50,100
going to reveal it to something
to you.

2076
02:14:50,100 --> 02:14:51,900
That you don't really want to
know.

2077
02:14:52,300 --> 02:14:57,200
Like, right.
So we really have to learn how

2078
02:14:57,200 --> 02:15:00,600
to receive an answer and we have
to realize the truth.

2079
02:15:01,100 --> 02:15:04,100
You actually have to seek truth
with a sincere heart, with a

2080
02:15:04,100 --> 02:15:07,300
desire to know, like it says in
the Book of Mormon, it isn't

2081
02:15:07,300 --> 02:15:10,200
just about going in praying.
Is this true?

2082
02:15:10,200 --> 02:15:13,900
It's you.
Have to have the sincere desire.

2083
02:15:14,600 --> 02:15:17,800
And I honestly don't think
people have a sincere desire to

2084
02:15:17,800 --> 02:15:21,900
actually know But these things
are true.

2085
02:15:22,100 --> 02:15:25,800
I think they don't want to
believe they're true and so they

2086
02:15:25,800 --> 02:15:29,900
get the answer, they desire II
think you're right.

2087
02:15:30,600 --> 02:15:31,900
I think you hit on something
else.

2088
02:15:31,900 --> 02:15:35,900
That was important to hear
Kimberly which is you talked

2089
02:15:35,900 --> 02:15:39,300
about you know people just go to
verses that make them feel good

2090
02:15:39,600 --> 02:15:42,600
and I'm not knocking that
certainly we should be able to

2091
02:15:42,600 --> 02:15:48,800
go to the scriptures and and get
get Comfort there, right?

2092
02:15:49,200 --> 02:15:57,100
We should expect that.
However, This idea that if it's

2093
02:15:57,100 --> 02:15:58,800
true.
We shouldn't have to struggle

2094
02:15:58,800 --> 02:16:02,300
with it.
It's kind of a bad idea.

2095
02:16:05,900 --> 02:16:08,900
I just think about what you did.
You said, you kind of struggled

2096
02:16:08,900 --> 02:16:11,300
with this, right?
And so you went and you dug in,

2097
02:16:11,800 --> 02:16:14,600
you found it.
I think we tend to shy away from

2098
02:16:14,600 --> 02:16:18,400
those things that challenge us a
little bit.

2099
02:16:19,200 --> 02:16:23,700
I think we all enjoy hearing
about Jacob wrestling with an

2100
02:16:23,700 --> 02:16:28,200
angel, but I think too many of
us are content to never do that

2101
02:16:28,200 --> 02:16:33,000
ourselves to never go and
wrestle with these things that

2102
02:16:33,000 --> 02:16:37,200
we perceive as hard.
And I say perceive because I

2103
02:16:37,208 --> 02:16:40,100
think once true understanding
comes, I don't think it's as

2104
02:16:40,100 --> 02:16:42,200
hard as what it is, what we
think it is.

2105
02:16:43,299 --> 02:16:46,900
It's just foreign at this time.
And so I think in some ways I

2106
02:16:46,907 --> 02:16:51,500
think we've been a victim of our
own affluence in a lot of ways,

2107
02:16:51,600 --> 02:16:55,200
both, physically and
spiritually, we've gotten too

2108
02:16:55,200 --> 02:16:59,200
comfortable and I think we shy
away from the struggle and,

2109
02:16:59,200 --> 02:17:00,900
unfortunately, it's out of that
struggle.

2110
02:17:00,900 --> 02:17:05,000
That shouldn't say,
unfortunately, but it's out of

2111
02:17:05,000 --> 02:17:08,000
that struggle that that we
gained some of our deepest

2112
02:17:08,000 --> 02:17:13,900
understandings and are our most
treasured, Bits of knowledge

2113
02:17:13,900 --> 02:17:19,400
when it comes to the gospel.
Yeah, exactly.

2114
02:17:19,400 --> 02:17:24,100
And to, I think part of, you
know, that promise of Elijah of

2115
02:17:24,100 --> 02:17:28,000
the turning, the hearts of the
children to the father's, what

2116
02:17:28,000 --> 02:17:31,799
really, what was an important
part of my journey is then

2117
02:17:31,799 --> 02:17:39,200
actually going to the actual,
the words of the men and women

2118
02:17:39,200 --> 02:17:44,600
themselves, because what we have
going on here is we have we have

2119
02:17:44,600 --> 02:17:46,799
so many people that are
hijacking, the stories of the

2120
02:17:46,799 --> 02:17:50,500
women and then Their own
interpretation, right?

2121
02:17:50,500 --> 02:17:52,400
Feel like I'm just going to give
an example.

2122
02:17:52,400 --> 02:17:54,100
I'll call you out for what it
is.

2123
02:17:54,700 --> 02:17:57,700
Michelle Stone.
Did an entire podcast?

2124
02:17:58,799 --> 02:18:04,400
On trying to label the women,
the plural wives of, you know,

2125
02:18:04,400 --> 02:18:08,600
Joseph Smith, another player
rides in Utah, as trauma, bonded

2126
02:18:08,600 --> 02:18:12,200
victims.
So here she, what she's done is,

2127
02:18:12,200 --> 02:18:16,000
she's hijacked their stories.
And she's saying, well, yeah, we

2128
02:18:16,000 --> 02:18:18,799
have their testimonies, but you
can't really trust their

2129
02:18:18,799 --> 02:18:23,000
testimonies because they were
trauma bonded, because they are

2130
02:18:23,000 --> 02:18:26,600
victims of this rhetoric.
That was coming from their

2131
02:18:26,600 --> 02:18:28,799
husbands, that right.
Right?

2132
02:18:29,000 --> 02:18:30,799
Right.
Well, we have Brigham Young

2133
02:18:31,200 --> 02:18:35,299
preaching, hell and brimstone
and so they were too afraid and

2134
02:18:35,299 --> 02:18:39,900
so they just went along and so
she's painted this story, right?

2135
02:18:39,900 --> 02:18:43,900
She's again, she's hijacking,
their stories and, and I didn't

2136
02:18:43,900 --> 02:18:46,500
listen to other people were
saying what I did is I actually

2137
02:18:46,500 --> 02:18:52,000
went and I read the journals.
I read, what the women said, the

2138
02:18:52,000 --> 02:18:54,000
women didn't hide.
That it was a struggle.

2139
02:18:54,000 --> 02:18:56,799
I write the sacrifice brings
forth.

2140
02:18:56,799 --> 02:18:58,799
The blessings of Heaven.
They were saying, This was a

2141
02:18:58,807 --> 02:19:03,200
trial but I did it for my
posterity, I did it.

2142
02:19:03,200 --> 02:19:05,799
Because the Lord revealed to me,
that this was true and he showed

2143
02:19:05,799 --> 02:19:07,600
me the reasons why I was doing
it.

2144
02:19:08,200 --> 02:19:11,100
And so I was willing to make
that sacrifice.

2145
02:19:11,100 --> 02:19:18,100
And so when times got hard,
which they did And and then I

2146
02:19:18,299 --> 02:19:21,500
remember the promises of the
Lord and I got through and I'm

2147
02:19:21,500 --> 02:19:24,900
when you read their stories, you
actually, it strengthens your

2148
02:19:24,900 --> 02:19:28,700
faith and you're like, well, if
they can do hard things, I can

2149
02:19:28,700 --> 02:19:32,400
do hard things, right?
Like these women were amazing

2150
02:19:32,400 --> 02:19:37,700
women and I want to give hope to
the sisters to other women like

2151
02:19:37,700 --> 02:19:41,100
me because it wasn't just the
men that were receiving.

2152
02:19:41,100 --> 02:19:43,200
These promises.
Like I just want to go into

2153
02:19:43,200 --> 02:19:46,000
sister Whitney, who was the wife
of no K.

2154
02:19:46,000 --> 02:19:49,700
Whitney He the Lord tells him,
he's the direct descendent of

2155
02:19:49,700 --> 02:19:51,900
Melchizedek.
Well, you have sister Whitney

2156
02:19:52,300 --> 02:19:55,200
who in her patriarchal,
blessing, kind of bring it

2157
02:19:55,200 --> 02:19:57,000
around here.
She he said the Lord says to

2158
02:19:57,000 --> 02:19:59,900
Sister Whitney.
He says, I lay my hands upon my

2159
02:19:59,900 --> 02:20:03,200
head in the name of the Lord.
Jesus and confirm the blessings

2160
02:20:03,200 --> 02:20:07,200
of Heaven upon the in common,
with my husband, even all

2161
02:20:07,200 --> 02:20:10,800
blessings, which may be for thy
Comfort, both of us spiritual

2162
02:20:10,800 --> 02:20:15,100
and temporal nature for thou,
art bone of his bone, and flesh

2163
02:20:15,100 --> 02:20:19,400
of his flesh and the Lord, So
ordained that those of thy, same

2164
02:20:19,400 --> 02:20:24,100
family, and descent might be one
to fulfill his purposes.

2165
02:20:24,500 --> 02:20:28,000
For thou art the same lineage of
my husband.

2166
02:20:28,500 --> 02:20:33,100
Thy life has been hit also and
thou mayest Rejoice for thy

2167
02:20:33,100 --> 02:20:39,900
posterity, shall all be blessed.
So what what is, what did the

2168
02:20:39,900 --> 02:20:44,300
Lord just reveal to Sarah?
She is the exact same lineage as

2169
02:20:44,300 --> 02:20:47,200
her husband.
She's from Melchizedek, her life

2170
02:20:47,200 --> 02:20:49,600
has been hid.
She's going to receive the same

2171
02:20:49,600 --> 02:20:52,700
blessings.
Her posterity is going to be

2172
02:20:52,700 --> 02:20:57,500
blessed because she's willing to
enter into this Covenant and

2173
02:20:57,500 --> 02:21:00,500
she's willing to have seed in
this Covenant and all of those

2174
02:21:00,500 --> 02:21:02,900
blessings and not lineage is
going to be passed on through

2175
02:21:02,900 --> 02:21:06,900
her posterity.
Yeah, so it's not just the man,

2176
02:21:07,200 --> 02:21:09,700
it's the women.
They are just as great as the

2177
02:21:09,700 --> 02:21:12,700
men, they are of the same
lineage, right?

2178
02:21:12,700 --> 02:21:18,300
They have even greater blessings
that are promised to them and

2179
02:21:18,300 --> 02:21:21,100
and these women knew it.
So there is acting.

2180
02:21:21,400 --> 02:21:27,200
Full agency and full knowledge.
And it was like, if I can tell

2181
02:21:27,200 --> 02:21:30,000
that a quick story, I think
you're good.

2182
02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:35,700
Just, I just love the women
like, again, women we need

2183
02:21:35,700 --> 02:21:40,300
heroines, right?
We need what the world has

2184
02:21:40,300 --> 02:21:42,300
offered doesn't offer us any
heroines.

2185
02:21:42,300 --> 02:21:46,900
We need righteous women to look
to to know how to be a woman of

2186
02:21:46,900 --> 02:21:49,000
Covenant know how to be a holy
woman.

2187
02:21:49,000 --> 02:21:53,900
And and so It wouldn't when we
paint these women as these

2188
02:21:53,900 --> 02:21:57,100
traumas on the victims were then
we don't want to.

2189
02:21:57,300 --> 02:22:00,000
We we don't want to go to the
women, we don't want to write,

2190
02:22:00,000 --> 02:22:02,500
we don't think we can learn
anything from him but we can

2191
02:22:02,500 --> 02:22:03,900
actually learn so much from
them.

2192
02:22:04,300 --> 02:22:09,000
So Helen Mark Kimball is another
example and she is she's the 14

2193
02:22:09,000 --> 02:22:11,700
year old that was still the
Joseph Smith, right?

2194
02:22:11,800 --> 02:22:16,600
Right.
Um he met with her story so not

2195
02:22:16,600 --> 02:22:19,700
with her story.
No, I do know.

2196
02:22:19,700 --> 02:22:23,200
She's a prominent player.
We're sorry, right?

2197
02:22:23,200 --> 02:22:25,900
She's a prominent player because
she's the daughter of Heber C

2198
02:22:25,900 --> 02:22:28,700
Kimball but again, right?
Right?

2199
02:22:28,700 --> 02:22:35,400
We Secularism and progressives
have hijacked her story and they

2200
02:22:35,400 --> 02:22:39,200
just paint her as the
fourteen-year-old, you know,

2201
02:22:39,200 --> 02:22:42,300
bride of Joseph Smith.
And then they they try to put

2202
02:22:42,300 --> 02:22:45,800
the label pet Angela Smith and
then when you get to know how

2203
02:22:45,800 --> 02:22:49,000
Mr. Kimble.
Well, it's she's actually an

2204
02:22:49,000 --> 02:22:52,700
amazing woman and she's still to
Joseph Smith at 14.

2205
02:22:52,700 --> 02:22:54,600
The, the marriage was never
consummated.

2206
02:22:54,800 --> 02:22:58,500
She then goes on to marry horse
Whitney as a husband.

2207
02:22:58,600 --> 02:23:02,400
Is it four times?
Time when she's married to

2208
02:23:02,408 --> 02:23:05,600
horse, Whitney, she actually
stands as proxy for another

2209
02:23:05,600 --> 02:23:08,400
woman who had died and, and, and
the sealed.

2210
02:23:08,400 --> 02:23:12,600
And then she acts as props proxy
as horse is still to this woman

2211
02:23:12,600 --> 02:23:16,500
for eternity.
And in Winter quarters, she has

2212
02:23:16,500 --> 02:23:21,700
a baby and which winter quarters
is rough.

2213
02:23:21,700 --> 02:23:23,200
Pretty rough, right?
Yeah.

2214
02:23:23,800 --> 02:23:27,300
And she has a baby and instead
of giving away.

2215
02:23:27,300 --> 02:23:29,400
Oh, and then she has a baby in
it.

2216
02:23:29,500 --> 02:23:34,000
It dies right after birth and
instead of giving in to despair,

2217
02:23:34,000 --> 02:23:38,100
she writes a letter to horse
Whitney and she said that it was

2218
02:23:38,100 --> 02:23:41,800
better for the baby to die, so
that their hearts could be fixed

2219
02:23:41,800 --> 02:23:45,700
on eternity and on God instead
of on themselves, right?

2220
02:23:45,900 --> 02:23:51,600
You're like Who has that kind of
perspective, right?

2221
02:23:51,600 --> 02:23:54,000
We because we're all about self,
right?

2222
02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:56,600
We're all about instant
gratification and self.

2223
02:23:56,600 --> 02:24:00,100
But here are these women that
they their vision is on the

2224
02:24:00,100 --> 02:24:02,500
eternity?
Right.

2225
02:24:02,700 --> 02:24:04,900
Absolutely no.
I love reading these women

2226
02:24:04,900 --> 02:24:09,100
because they, they inspire me,
they strengthened my faith.

2227
02:24:09,700 --> 02:24:14,400
They are, they're not just
strong women, they are.

2228
02:24:14,800 --> 02:24:17,600
I mean, these are women that
enjoy all of the gifts of the

2229
02:24:17,600 --> 02:24:22,400
Spirit, the kind of gifts that
we only dream of like, right,

2230
02:24:22,400 --> 02:24:27,400
the gift of healing speaking in
tongues and the Lord really

2231
02:24:27,400 --> 02:24:32,800
blessed women, nothing bugs me
worse.

2232
02:24:34,000 --> 02:24:41,900
Then when we paint these women
as victims, it it infuriates me

2233
02:24:42,500 --> 02:24:50,100
because we're not giving them
their due in a world, that is,

2234
02:24:52,700 --> 02:24:58,000
That is.
Uber Progressive, right?

2235
02:24:58,000 --> 02:25:01,700
That seeks for total equality
day denied.

2236
02:25:01,700 --> 02:25:07,100
These women that right?
In in our modern standards, we

2237
02:25:07,100 --> 02:25:13,800
don't in society, they like to
paint them as beaten down and as

2238
02:25:13,800 --> 02:25:19,900
subjugated as second-class
Citizens within the Gospel

2239
02:25:19,900 --> 02:25:23,800
Kingdom, and nothing could be
farther for the, for from the

2240
02:25:23,800 --> 02:25:26,600
truth.
Were there.

2241
02:25:26,600 --> 02:25:29,000
Bad polygamous marriages?
Yeah.

2242
02:25:29,100 --> 02:25:31,200
There was.
And you know what?

2243
02:25:31,300 --> 02:25:33,300
There was bad monogamous
marriages.

2244
02:25:33,700 --> 02:25:36,800
And so this idea that That
somehow because they were in a

2245
02:25:36,808 --> 02:25:40,600
plural.
Marriage makes them weak is just

2246
02:25:41,000 --> 02:25:44,300
absolutely infuriating
especially when we don't take

2247
02:25:44,300 --> 02:25:48,800
their word for it, from their
own journals or we cherry pick

2248
02:25:49,100 --> 02:25:52,300
just the things out of their
journals to support that

2249
02:25:52,300 --> 02:25:55,700
argument.
One of my favorite women from

2250
02:25:55,900 --> 02:25:59,100
the early Utah.
Period is Martha Hughes Cannon.

2251
02:25:59,700 --> 02:26:02,900
Right.
She is the first woman, the

2252
02:26:02,900 --> 02:26:08,400
first female in the United
States elected as a state,

2253
02:26:08,400 --> 02:26:10,700
senator.
And who did she be?

2254
02:26:11,500 --> 02:26:14,100
She beat her own husband in the
election.

2255
02:26:15,100 --> 02:26:20,100
So, not necessarily a woman
who's beaten down and kept

2256
02:26:20,100 --> 02:26:25,800
subjugated by her husband.
It's a plural wife, who runs

2257
02:26:25,800 --> 02:26:30,800
against her husband and becomes
the first female state senator

2258
02:26:30,900 --> 02:26:38,300
in the United States, period.
And we never hear those stories.

2259
02:26:38,600 --> 02:26:43,800
We never hear that from the
secular from the other side.

2260
02:26:46,000 --> 02:26:48,700
And we never hear the stories
of, or the sermons of Brigham

2261
02:26:48,700 --> 02:26:52,900
Young as actually encouraging
the women to go out and become

2262
02:26:52,900 --> 02:26:57,200
doctors and midwives.
And we never hear them to.

2263
02:26:57,200 --> 02:27:00,200
He's telling them to become a
countenance of accountants and

2264
02:27:00,200 --> 02:27:03,700
he tells them you can be better
in business than the mid and and

2265
02:27:03,700 --> 02:27:06,700
it was under the direction of
Brigham Young that that the

2266
02:27:06,900 --> 02:27:10,300
allele eyes are still on the
other women, they built the

2267
02:27:10,300 --> 02:27:14,200
first hospital, and it was an
all board woman are all woman

2268
02:27:14,600 --> 02:27:15,600
Hospital.
Board.

2269
02:27:16,300 --> 02:27:19,900
And and then you have like,
right?

2270
02:27:20,400 --> 02:27:25,200
Find me a place in 19th century
America where that's happening.

2271
02:27:25,300 --> 02:27:28,100
Other than the Utah territory at
the time.

2272
02:27:29,200 --> 02:27:31,800
It doesn't exist, it doesn't
exist.

2273
02:27:32,900 --> 02:27:36,400
In quote, Victorian society, it
doesn't exist.

2274
02:27:38,800 --> 02:27:42,600
So yeah, yeah.
And then you have so you then

2275
02:27:42,800 --> 02:27:46,200
you have the women that are
leading, you know, the woman's

2276
02:27:46,200 --> 02:27:49,000
rights movement, you know?
And and there and of course,

2277
02:27:49,000 --> 02:27:51,300
they're not the woman's rights
where we think of what the

2278
02:27:51,300 --> 02:27:54,300
feminists are fighting for
their, they were leading the

2279
02:27:54,300 --> 02:27:57,700
women's rights movement to, you
know, the right to vote because

2280
02:27:58,300 --> 02:28:01,400
they were so aligned with the
priests that they were going to

2281
02:28:01,500 --> 02:28:04,900
vote righteously, right?
And so the leading that movement

2282
02:28:04,900 --> 02:28:09,100
there, These are, you know, the
women that there were there

2283
02:28:09,100 --> 02:28:13,800
being painted as trauma, bonded,
victims or were like you said

2284
02:28:13,800 --> 02:28:18,300
that they are downtrodden and
you know, oppressed by their

2285
02:28:18,300 --> 02:28:22,800
husbands when they're out.
Accomplishing Half of the stuff

2286
02:28:22,800 --> 02:28:24,300
they've accomplished.
I've never accomplished in my

2287
02:28:24,300 --> 02:28:27,300
lifetime, you know, and I never
will and and you're like, wow,

2288
02:28:27,300 --> 02:28:30,600
they did, they did all that.
And and then we're supposed to

2289
02:28:30,600 --> 02:28:34,400
look down upon them instead.
Like, I Look to them as, like

2290
02:28:34,600 --> 02:28:36,900
they forged the path that I
should be on.

2291
02:28:37,800 --> 02:28:42,500
And you can learn so much from
from their stories from their

2292
02:28:42,500 --> 02:28:46,800
testimonies, and their teaching
principles that you won't hear

2293
02:28:46,800 --> 02:28:50,700
it taut anywhere else.
You know, like, holy principles,

2294
02:28:51,200 --> 02:28:54,600
like Eyes are snow.
She that was kind of her motto.

2295
02:28:54,900 --> 02:28:57,600
It's the duty of every woman to
become a holy woman.

2296
02:28:58,000 --> 02:29:00,600
Yep.
And she said once you you know

2297
02:29:00,600 --> 02:29:09,200
once you gain wisdom then you
have power and so Yeah, they're

2298
02:29:09,200 --> 02:29:12,400
I think like I said, they are
the nursing mothers, the women

2299
02:29:12,400 --> 02:29:16,200
of the restoration are under
our, our nursing mothers and

2300
02:29:16,200 --> 02:29:19,300
example, that we need to look to
and our hearts need to be turned

2301
02:29:19,300 --> 02:29:23,000
towards them.
And so I see this narrative.

2302
02:29:23,700 --> 02:29:29,900
It's it's crafted by the
adversary to cut us off from who

2303
02:29:29,900 --> 02:29:35,800
we are and who we are supposed
to become and it's it's it's

2304
02:29:35,800 --> 02:29:41,600
diabolical as it's very it's
very diabolical.

2305
02:29:42,100 --> 02:29:44,100
I didn't mean to take you away
from your story because I'm

2306
02:29:44,100 --> 02:29:48,300
super interested in in that you
said there was one other account

2307
02:29:48,300 --> 02:29:54,500
you want to read Oh, I so
there's just one more account I

2308
02:29:54,508 --> 02:30:01,300
want to read just because like I
said, I speaking to the women,

2309
02:30:01,400 --> 02:30:07,600
right?
It's So Eliza R snow, she's

2310
02:30:07,600 --> 02:30:09,800
another player.
Wife of the Prophet Joseph Smith

2311
02:30:10,000 --> 02:30:12,700
and we all, you know, she's
Heber prophetess, right?

2312
02:30:12,700 --> 02:30:16,600
And, and do you know who
actually gave her that title as

2313
02:30:16,600 --> 02:30:18,200
the Hebrew prophetess?
No.

2314
02:30:20,400 --> 02:30:25,100
So there is this reporter from
the East.

2315
02:30:25,100 --> 02:30:29,800
And she had heard, you know,
rumors of Mormon, women, and,

2316
02:30:29,800 --> 02:30:31,700
and polygamy.
And so she wanted to go out and

2317
02:30:31,700 --> 02:30:34,900
investigate and I can't remember
her last name off the top of

2318
02:30:34,900 --> 02:30:38,300
hurt my head, but her first
name, I believe is Emily and I

2319
02:30:38,308 --> 02:30:40,300
get.
So she's like a journalist

2320
02:30:40,300 --> 02:30:43,200
reporter and she was going to
go, expose the Mormon women,

2321
02:30:43,300 --> 02:30:47,700
right?
And she gets to Utah and she is

2322
02:30:47,700 --> 02:30:49,700
taken to the Lions hat.
The lion.

2323
02:30:50,100 --> 02:30:53,600
Hal to Brigham Young's house and
she spends the afternoon with

2324
02:30:53,600 --> 02:30:57,800
Eliza R snow.
Instead of writing, an expose on

2325
02:30:57,800 --> 02:31:03,600
women, Mormon women, she writes
an entire article on Eliza the

2326
02:31:03,600 --> 02:31:07,200
Heber prophetess and she says,
when she was introduced to

2327
02:31:07,200 --> 02:31:12,200
Eliza, she knew she was standing
in the presence of of a

2328
02:31:12,208 --> 02:31:17,500
prophetess and Another thing
that people don't know about

2329
02:31:17,500 --> 02:31:20,200
Eliza is that Joseph Smith
actually revealed to her?

2330
02:31:20,200 --> 02:31:22,000
That she was from the house of
Judah.

2331
02:31:23,100 --> 02:31:26,000
Whoo.
So that title Hebrew prophetess

2332
02:31:26,000 --> 02:31:29,500
is especially was especially
interesting because she's from

2333
02:31:29,500 --> 02:31:33,400
the Royal house of Judah.
And so the, so I want you to

2334
02:31:33,400 --> 02:31:40,300
think of how then marriage isn't
just about A bloodline, but it's

2335
02:31:40,300 --> 02:31:44,700
about reuniting.
Families and Nations.

2336
02:31:45,600 --> 02:31:48,100
So in Jeremiah, there's a
prophecy.

2337
02:31:48,900 --> 02:31:51,100
Okay.
And it says the Lord will bring

2338
02:31:51,600 --> 02:31:55,000
the Lord, will bring Judah and
Israel together again in the

2339
02:31:55,000 --> 02:31:59,000
last days that they will return
to the marriage with the

2340
02:31:59,000 --> 02:32:04,100
kindness Holiness and love that
the bridegroom deserves Yet

2341
02:32:04,100 --> 02:32:07,400
returned again to me.
Saith the Lord, Brian married

2342
02:32:07,400 --> 02:32:13,100
unto you and I will take you one
of a city and to of a family and

2343
02:32:13,100 --> 02:32:18,200
I will bring you to Zion.
Wow, that's Jeremiah three.

2344
02:32:18,600 --> 02:32:24,600
Well, Jeremiah 22 to 23 and then
I read Jeremiah 3:14.

2345
02:32:25,400 --> 02:32:27,900
So, what is the prophecy first
of all?

2346
02:32:28,100 --> 02:32:32,700
God is being a metaphor using
marriage, right?

2347
02:32:32,800 --> 02:32:36,400
The bridegroom is This Christ,
married to, to bride, Israel and

2348
02:32:36,400 --> 02:32:38,600
Judah.
So right there is a metaphor for

2349
02:32:38,700 --> 02:32:41,200
our marriage.
But then what is he saying that

2350
02:32:41,200 --> 02:32:44,700
with that marriage, he's going
to bring together Judah and

2351
02:32:44,700 --> 02:32:49,200
Israel in the last days and
then, then they will return to

2352
02:32:49,200 --> 02:32:54,700
him.
And To one of the city until the

2353
02:32:54,700 --> 02:32:56,700
family and he'll bring them to
Zion.

2354
02:32:57,600 --> 02:33:02,200
So what does the union of Joseph
Smith and analyze our snow?

2355
02:33:02,200 --> 02:33:03,900
Who was the royal house of
Judah?

2356
02:33:05,800 --> 02:33:08,400
Right.
And yeah, Joseph Smith is

2357
02:33:08,900 --> 02:33:10,700
essentially.
Well, he's eat from in Judah,

2358
02:33:10,700 --> 02:33:15,600
but he's that he's representing
the house of Israel that plural.

2359
02:33:15,600 --> 02:33:18,400
Marriage is a literal
fulfillment of Prophecy.

2360
02:33:18,400 --> 02:33:21,500
Holy cow, he's bringing together
again.

2361
02:33:21,900 --> 02:33:24,800
The nation of Judah.
Through a bloodline, right,

2362
02:33:24,900 --> 02:33:29,400
again, bloodline, right.
Then Judah and Israel and he's

2363
02:33:29,400 --> 02:33:33,100
making them one again.
One family that will establish,

2364
02:33:33,100 --> 02:33:41,400
Zion It's beautiful our history.
Our Doctrine is beautiful.

2365
02:33:41,400 --> 02:33:45,900
It's inspired its It's
something.

2366
02:33:45,900 --> 02:33:47,900
We should be able to stand on,
right?

2367
02:33:47,900 --> 02:33:52,000
It's something that should be
able to, to boy us up and like

2368
02:33:52,000 --> 02:33:56,300
you were saying though, we, we
just don't know it and that's a

2369
02:33:56,300 --> 02:34:00,700
sad sad thing.
And it should make us proud.

2370
02:34:00,900 --> 02:34:05,900
And yeah, not proud in the, in
the in a negative sense.

2371
02:34:05,900 --> 02:34:11,400
But just Proud of who we are,
and then we should want to

2372
02:34:11,400 --> 02:34:16,000
defend our heritage.
Absolutely more people should be

2373
02:34:16,000 --> 02:34:20,700
out there defending who they are
and defending the prophets of

2374
02:34:20,700 --> 02:34:25,300
the restoration.
Instead of letting these core

2375
02:34:25,300 --> 02:34:30,500
horse in these movements to try
to take it away from us and to

2376
02:34:30,500 --> 02:34:35,400
tear it down.
Yeah, yeah.

2377
02:34:35,400 --> 02:34:43,100
And I felt this for a while.
right now, a lot of the

2378
02:34:43,100 --> 02:34:47,900
problems, the LDS church face
Are the same problems that

2379
02:34:47,900 --> 02:34:54,300
Mormons of every stripe face and
that's why I value your work so

2380
02:34:54,300 --> 02:34:58,600
much because we we've got to
stop the hemorrhaging of our

2381
02:34:58,600 --> 02:35:02,800
youth and this is one way we
could do it.

2382
02:35:02,800 --> 02:35:06,800
If we don't give our youth
something, To fight for

2383
02:35:07,800 --> 02:35:12,200
something to stand on.
The world will do it for us and

2384
02:35:12,200 --> 02:35:16,400
it won't be anything that leads
them to righteousness or

2385
02:35:16,400 --> 02:35:19,500
goodness or anything worthy of
God.

2386
02:35:22,800 --> 02:35:27,600
So right exactly right.
Yeah and I think that we

2387
02:35:27,600 --> 02:35:30,900
underestimate the youth.
Oh we want.

2388
02:35:30,900 --> 02:35:34,900
We think we need to entertain
them and give them like food fun

2389
02:35:34,900 --> 02:35:39,700
and fantasy when they need.
They want true Doctrine.

2390
02:35:40,100 --> 02:35:43,000
They want you know, true facts.
True history.

2391
02:35:43,000 --> 02:35:46,300
Let's give them.
Let's give them truth because

2392
02:35:46,500 --> 02:35:48,900
right truth is what strengthens
faith.

2393
02:35:49,300 --> 02:35:53,100
It strengthens testimony if we
give them That and we're not

2394
02:35:53,100 --> 02:35:56,500
making apologies like stop
apologizing for your history

2395
02:35:56,500 --> 02:35:58,200
right?
Stop apologizing.

2396
02:35:58,600 --> 02:36:00,500
The Joseph Smith was a
polygamist.

2397
02:36:00,800 --> 02:36:06,100
Yeah, stop apologizing for it
and and and and teach what is

2398
02:36:06,100 --> 02:36:11,900
true and and it will I think we
underestimate the youth that we

2399
02:36:11,900 --> 02:36:17,600
just give them truth Yeah,
they'll do that to you.

2400
02:36:18,000 --> 02:36:19,800
Giving them aren't the true
Faith.

2401
02:36:19,800 --> 02:36:22,100
Because, again, what does it
say?

2402
02:36:22,500 --> 02:36:25,000
They were preserved to come
through, these pure lineage has

2403
02:36:25,000 --> 02:36:28,300
because they are the noble
spirits that God has kept in

2404
02:36:28,300 --> 02:36:29,500
reserve.
Yep.

2405
02:36:29,500 --> 02:36:34,500
So you give them truth and I'll
live up to who they are and, and

2406
02:36:34,500 --> 02:36:37,200
the Heritage that they're part
of and I believe that that is

2407
02:36:37,200 --> 02:36:40,800
the answer.
I think you're 100%, right?

2408
02:36:40,900 --> 02:36:42,300
I think you're right on the
money.

2409
02:36:42,600 --> 02:36:44,700
Let's stop worrying.
Worrying about entertaining

2410
02:36:44,700 --> 02:36:46,500
them.
I think that's a great thing.

2411
02:36:46,500 --> 02:36:50,400
You said there.
I know, certainly it seems like

2412
02:36:50,400 --> 02:36:53,700
too often we spend our time,
trying to figure out how to

2413
02:36:54,200 --> 02:36:59,400
engage the youth and by doing.
So we just dumb it down for

2414
02:36:59,600 --> 02:37:02,800
right?
Our kids are capable of amazing

2415
02:37:02,800 --> 02:37:06,100
amazing things.
We just have to first be willing

2416
02:37:06,100 --> 02:37:11,400
to show them where to go find
truth and then also expect

2417
02:37:11,400 --> 02:37:12,800
something out of them.
Right?

2418
02:37:12,800 --> 02:37:16,300
I think I think if we do that,
they'll walk up to everything we

2419
02:37:16,300 --> 02:37:20,300
expect out of them and when When
I know with my kids, when I've

2420
02:37:20,500 --> 02:37:24,000
helped them set goals, they by
and large achieved it.

2421
02:37:24,000 --> 02:37:26,700
And when they haven't, it's
usually on me because I didn't

2422
02:37:26,700 --> 02:37:28,500
do a real good job and he'll
wanting it.

2423
02:37:29,300 --> 02:37:33,500
And so yeah, we sell our kids
short way too much.

2424
02:37:33,500 --> 02:37:39,300
I agree with you, 100%.
So let me I know we've been at

2425
02:37:39,300 --> 02:37:42,200
this almost three hours, but I
got one more question for you

2426
02:37:42,200 --> 02:37:43,900
and then I'm going to leave you
alone.

2427
02:37:43,900 --> 02:37:48,100
I promise.
What's going on with Justin

2428
02:37:48,100 --> 02:37:50,500
Griffin, second movie, when did
that come out?

2429
02:37:50,500 --> 02:37:53,000
You said January 19th, is that
correct?

2430
02:37:55,600 --> 02:37:58,700
So, okay, so it was released,
January 19th.

2431
02:38:01,200 --> 02:38:04,900
So that pretty much this second
movie, it sounds like it's a

2432
02:38:04,900 --> 02:38:11,600
setup for part three, which at
the end of the part to he sets

2433
02:38:11,600 --> 02:38:18,600
up with the Joseph Papp polygamy
and Brigham Young started

2434
02:38:18,600 --> 02:38:21,900
polygamy.
So it was pretty much just a

2435
02:38:21,900 --> 02:38:25,300
precursor to the.
I think part 3 will be the big

2436
02:38:25,300 --> 02:38:28,500
one.
We're so in part to he can't

2437
02:38:28,500 --> 02:38:34,100
really He admits that his theory
isn't provable, essentially his

2438
02:38:34,100 --> 02:38:38,100
theory about you know he can't
prove it happened, the way he

2439
02:38:38,100 --> 02:38:41,800
said it did that John Taylor
Miller Richards killed Joseph

2440
02:38:41,800 --> 02:38:46,600
Smith, but his theory is that it
/ at least proves that the

2441
02:38:46,600 --> 02:38:53,200
church's narrative is all false.
And then he hits a big setup for

2442
02:38:53,200 --> 02:38:57,100
part 3, which would be well,
this is why John Taylor movie

2443
02:38:57,100 --> 02:39:00,400
Richards killed Joseph Smith is
because Right then.

2444
02:39:00,400 --> 02:39:04,500
Brigham Young was trying to take
over the church for power and

2445
02:39:04,500 --> 02:39:06,300
polygamy in.
It's a big set up for part

2446
02:39:06,300 --> 02:39:08,900
three.
So part two is actually, I

2447
02:39:08,900 --> 02:39:16,600
think, Not in Justin's favor, it
didn't make him look very good.

2448
02:39:19,400 --> 02:39:23,900
And but it is I think it's like
I said, just a precursor to the

2449
02:39:24,100 --> 02:39:28,300
part 3 which is again it going
to probably be an explosive

2450
02:39:28,500 --> 02:39:33,800
attack against Brigham Young any
word on when that a marriage,

2451
02:39:34,400 --> 02:39:36,500
any word on one that's supposed
to come out.

2452
02:39:41,400 --> 02:39:46,200
I didn't he didn't say, so I'm
assuming within this year.

2453
02:39:47,200 --> 02:39:50,600
My first thought on that is to
get together a bunch of my

2454
02:39:50,600 --> 02:39:53,200
fundamentalist friends who are
really well schooled in all

2455
02:39:53,200 --> 02:39:56,100
this.
And just go rent out a movie

2456
02:39:56,100 --> 02:40:03,000
theater and we can laugh.
But yeah, look what one other

2457
02:40:03,000 --> 02:40:04,400
question?
I am so sorry.

2458
02:40:04,400 --> 02:40:06,500
I keep saying one more question.
I'm going to let you go.

2459
02:40:07,400 --> 02:40:09,300
We've talked about how to save
our youth.

2460
02:40:11,700 --> 02:40:15,700
Have you had any success in
bringing people?

2461
02:40:15,700 --> 02:40:20,500
Back to the truth once they've
left for this abomination.

2462
02:40:26,200 --> 02:40:28,900
Once they've actually left for
the doctrine of Christ.

2463
02:40:28,900 --> 02:40:30,400
Yeah.
Is that what you're saying?

2464
02:40:30,500 --> 02:40:31,100
Yep.
Yep.

2465
02:40:31,100 --> 02:40:33,200
That's what I'm saying.
Have we had any success in

2466
02:40:33,200 --> 02:40:35,300
bringing them back after they've
left for it.

2467
02:40:39,200 --> 02:40:42,600
I haven't actually yet seen
anybody come out of it.

2468
02:40:42,900 --> 02:40:48,100
But yeah, because I think it
takes it's gone.

2469
02:40:48,100 --> 02:40:51,200
It God has to be the one that
does it, right?

2470
02:40:51,500 --> 02:40:55,500
Yep.
We stand up for truth and we we

2471
02:40:55,500 --> 02:40:59,900
defend our faith.
We defend our religion, we try

2472
02:40:59,900 --> 02:41:04,000
to, you know, right?
We give people place where they

2473
02:41:04,000 --> 02:41:06,600
can look for the truth and find
it.

2474
02:41:07,500 --> 02:41:13,700
But ultimately, I think it's God
who has to do it, okay?

2475
02:41:14,600 --> 02:41:18,300
It what once your entrenched in
its, and you start fighting,

2476
02:41:18,300 --> 02:41:22,700
you're fighting against truth,
you lose light, right knowledge,

2477
02:41:22,900 --> 02:41:25,100
according to dr.
Kevin just rewrite.

2478
02:41:25,100 --> 02:41:31,200
So It, like I said, we we try to
provide the light, we try to

2479
02:41:32,200 --> 02:41:34,200
Bear testimony of true, so they
can find it.

2480
02:41:34,200 --> 02:41:38,500
But ultimately it has to be God.
That does it gotcha?

2481
02:41:38,600 --> 02:41:42,700
And we have to be patient
because I don't give up on

2482
02:41:42,700 --> 02:41:46,300
anybody and I don't give up on
Hope and I try to tell, you

2483
02:41:46,300 --> 02:41:50,200
know, people who have had family
members or friends that have who

2484
02:41:50,200 --> 02:41:54,700
have And in Trent gotten
entrenched into that movement

2485
02:41:54,700 --> 02:41:58,200
and are fighting against, you
know, the church or fighting

2486
02:41:58,200 --> 02:42:02,100
against their faith in fighting
fighting their family.

2487
02:42:03,100 --> 02:42:07,700
I just try to tell Those
families not to give up hope on

2488
02:42:07,700 --> 02:42:12,300
their loved one or their friend.
Because I do believe that God,

2489
02:42:13,200 --> 02:42:18,800
he cares more about them and we
do so, and, and I think our

2490
02:42:18,800 --> 02:42:21,800
covenant father's care, more
about them than we do because

2491
02:42:22,600 --> 02:42:26,400
they are their posterity.
Yeah, right, absolutely

2492
02:42:27,100 --> 02:42:31,900
absolutely.
If you and I believe in

2493
02:42:31,900 --> 02:42:34,200
miracles.
So I think just keep defending

2494
02:42:34,200 --> 02:42:37,200
the faith and God can move the
mountains.

2495
02:42:38,100 --> 02:42:39,700
Perfect.
Perfect.

2496
02:42:40,000 --> 02:42:43,200
Anything that that maybe my
audience could help out with

2497
02:42:43,200 --> 02:42:47,100
there anything that we can do to
help support you and your

2498
02:42:47,100 --> 02:42:50,700
efforts or, you know, the Joseph
Smith Foundation or anything

2499
02:42:50,700 --> 02:42:56,100
like that.
I think the most important thing

2500
02:42:56,100 --> 02:43:00,300
is for people to learn the
history so they can defend it

2501
02:43:00,900 --> 02:43:03,700
right?
And it's just about knowing the

2502
02:43:03,700 --> 02:43:07,000
history and knowing the
scriptures and then just be

2503
02:43:07,000 --> 02:43:10,900
willing to engage in the debate
or the discussion.

2504
02:43:10,900 --> 02:43:17,000
Because if you have So that's
what's successful about the

2505
02:43:17,000 --> 02:43:20,200
doctrine of Christ movement is
because you have the leaders,

2506
02:43:21,200 --> 02:43:25,000
but then you have all of the
people that the follow them that

2507
02:43:25,000 --> 02:43:30,300
they can go out and and right
are now defending kind of

2508
02:43:30,300 --> 02:43:35,300
evangelized for that, right?
And so what we have to do is we

2509
02:43:35,300 --> 02:43:37,800
have to actually be willing to
engage in the in the in the

2510
02:43:37,800 --> 02:43:40,300
argument that day and that
doesn't mean contention that

2511
02:43:40,300 --> 02:43:43,200
just means you're willing to
engage in the conversation.

2512
02:43:43,500 --> 02:43:46,400
You're willing to stand up for
You know is true you're willing

2513
02:43:46,400 --> 02:43:51,900
to actually teach the principal
because they're we're not going

2514
02:43:51,900 --> 02:43:55,200
to win we may not win the person
we're talking to but the person

2515
02:43:55,200 --> 02:43:59,200
watching the debate you can
influence absolutely hence and I

2516
02:43:59,208 --> 02:44:03,200
just think it's just about
getting involved and knowing

2517
02:44:03,200 --> 02:44:05,300
your history so that you can
defend it.

2518
02:44:05,900 --> 02:44:08,700
Awesome.
All right.

2519
02:44:09,300 --> 02:44:11,300
Is there anything else you
wanted to touch on before we

2520
02:44:11,300 --> 02:44:16,000
leave?
I think I said enough.

2521
02:44:18,200 --> 02:44:22,400
Well, Perfect.
All right, well, as always,

2522
02:44:22,400 --> 02:44:24,900
you're welcome back on here,
anytime you just got to reach

2523
02:44:24,900 --> 02:44:26,400
out.
I've already, I always got a

2524
02:44:26,408 --> 02:44:28,700
spot for you.
I'll make time whatever it

2525
02:44:28,700 --> 02:44:31,900
takes.
So awesome.

2526
02:44:31,900 --> 02:44:34,800
All right, stick around for just
five minutes here Kimberly.

2527
02:44:35,100 --> 02:45:02,300
So by everybody,
you're listening to the Mormon

2528
02:45:02,300 --> 02:45:02,700
Renegade podcast. you're
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2529
02:45:02,700 --> 02:45:03,700
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