Episode #43: Getting Prepared W/Marcello Surjopolos

0:04 So I feel like I've had guests on, they've done a great job in breaking down, just how fragile our economy really is and just how bad it could get. Now I hate being the guy out there who says, hey I think there's something wrong and then not give you the solutions and steps for you to get through it. I've searched high and low for someone. I feel like as well grounded and knows what they're talking about when it comes to preparing for an emergency. Well finally by asking around and doing a little bit of networking, I found that guy his Name is Marcelo sujatha. Louis Marcelo is the business owner of food storage Depot, which is one of the largest emergency supply stores in the country. This guy lives and breathes this topic. On this episode, we get a little bit of background information on who Marcelo is and how we got into emergency preparedness. We then talked about some of the challenges you could face in the near future that may Force us into those kinds of emergency situations.

0:58 We then move into the realm of solutions Marcelo. Then gives a quick explanation of the Principles of being prepared to just not survive but to thrive in an emergency situation. Finally at the end he gives you the listener an opportunity to become better prepared. Now, I normally don't advertise on this podcast because I would never want you, buying something I told you to and not having it be great. I break that rule on this episode, I have looked into Marcello's business and I've talked to him many times off the air and can fully endorse the goods and services. He provides all you need to do is click on the link in the description of this episode to sign up for a five-day seminar with Marcelo, where he goes into a deep dive into, how you can be better prepared to get through any emergency. That's next on this episode of the Mormon Renegade podcast. So, I just want to take a moment to thank you. The Listener, when I started this podcast I wasn't sure if anyone would really listen.

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4:09 Welcome back to the Mormon Renegade podcast as always you can get ahold of me either by email at Mormon Renegade at gmail.com. You can also get a hold of me on Instagram and Twitter and getter under the handle. Mormon Renegade. Also we have a website up and that's Mormon Renegade.com. So go check that out. Let me just tell everybody out there. I've been super Jack for this. This This conversation, we're to talk to Marcelo sir jobless. And this is a guy who has experienced some of the things I've talked about on this podcast before, I've had Kelsey Williams on and we've talked about how just how fragile the economy really is, but I don't want to leave you the listener with no Solutions, it's one thing to point out a problem. It's another thing to give maybe some solutions. So my hope is that in our Conversation here with Marcelo today, we can actually come up with some solutions and some ways that you can look down the road and have a level of confidence going forward.

5:15 No matter what the economy does or the world does. So Marcelo dude, I'm super jacked for you to be here. Thanks for being here, man. Now, super excited to be here to thank you. So tell me a little bit about you, you're a member of the LDS church, but before you mentioned, you were a convert and you grew, where'd you grow up at California. California. Now you also lived in Brazil, right? I didn't so my mom's Brazilian, my dad's Greek. I was born in America, so I'm agree. Silicon, Greek silicon. I like that. But, you know, I think I think there's, you know, forms now with all sorts of different genders. I think there should be something there with, you know, Greek zillion on it. Yeah, oh yeah.

5:57 So Brazilians, they do exist and I'm one of them and and I'm proud to be so. But yeah, totally, I grew up on I grew up in Southern California with the, you know, the whole culture of the Brazilian, the Brazilian culture in my family means. So we're at around the streets without shoes on and had really tough feet and climbed every tree you can find and just little hyper boys, and it was pretty fun, you know? It was great. But yeah, I loved it. So, when did you move to Brazil? So I went there on my mission, okay? And and I'm a convert to the church, so it was kind of interesting. Actually, I'll go ahead or Was that yeah, let's stop there. How did you convert to the LDS church, right? Because I'm a convert to the LDS church and then later a fundamentalist.

6:42 But yeah I'm always like it would be a really hard sell, right? Like because when I joined it was like three hours of church, right? I remember thinking if your God can't get it done in an hour and a half like everybody else's, I don't know what you want me to say. What what Drew you to the LDS church? What? What happened. It's a I'll try to convince This the story of a little bit but the we grew up. Well, I didn't know this until I went on a mission, but supposedly my mom had joined the church earlier in Brazil, and then I was, I was blessed in the church as a baby, and then we left the church. Okay. So I grew up Greek. Orthodox.

7:23 I grew up metaphysical. You know, we would go and, do you know, meditation at church or metaphysical church? We did Baptist born again, you know, whole bunch stuff. It just got to learn a lot. Wonderful religions and got to see people from all different walks of life. And what's interesting is people say are my church is true and your church is false and all that stuff. Well, there might be some truth to a church true and false church. But that doesn't mean every person is good or bad in either church, right? And I got I get to see that. I got to see that the beautiful miss of other religions. Know what I'm saying, where you have some of the most faithful loving kind people ever and I I still like to go to other churches because it just reminds me of the, you know, there were all the same.

8:08 I don't know if you remember, I don't know if you've ever read heuerman, addresses books about Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, all that stuff, I'm getting the best, remember where he talked about Zion and he talked about how Brigham's Brigham talked about how the the world will come to the gates of Zion. Do you remember that idea? Yeah, the the want to be part of the Society of Zion for social and economic programs. And they'll say, hey can we be part of your society? And the answer is sure but you have to commit to something. What is it? You have to bow your knee and confess. That Jesus is the Christ. Well even if we don't believe in him. Yeah, we'll do it. But also we need to do, you know do we have to be baptized in your church or something like that. He goes.

8:50 No, you have to promise that. If you're part of our society, you can't prosecute your neighbor because of their beliefs, they say, we can be. We can worship the white dog. We could be a practicing Jew, or Greek, Orthodox, or anything we want. Yeah, as long as you don't, You know, persecute your neighbor because their beliefs. Anyways, growing up outside of the church, it really has given me an appreciation for that. For what I just talked about that. If we all come together and just love each other and understand that their strengths all over the world, you know, you and I were talking about the Muslim experience I had in Istanbul where I was able to go into, you know, the Blue Mosque at call a called prayer time as a Christian here. I'm not supposed to get out there and get on the lines and go down and kneel with them and stand up with Neil with them while the while the Imam is at the front doing all his chance. But but I did, and in the, the 16 year old boy is next to me all these kids next to me, they knew I wasn't Muslim, they asked me ahead of time and I they knew I was Christian but I'll tell you something, they were so excited to talk to me afterwards and they just loved me.

9:55 And I said, man, I wish the world can see, you know, you know, outside of people who have their blinders on and on Are in grow up in a place where they're ignorant, but, but we're Istanbul is just filled with so many people all over the world that come in to, you know, to, you know, do business. These, the these Muslim boys have interacted with all types of religions all types of countries all types of languages, and they were so open and loving to me, but people don't see that. Anyways, go to back to my story and I apologize. I was a little bit about, no, no, I think you bring up a good point. I think that's something that that's worthwhile to bring up because even Fin Brigham said, you know, we're in Mormonism, is is the religion of truth, right? So wherever we find truth, wherever we find love in some respects, that's Mormonism.

10:48 Right? I mean, that's, that's what we are. Yeah, and that's what I loved about Joseph Smith. I loved how I loved, how he was so open to, like, I remember, let me back up a little bit. I remember an experience where I was And taken by a family member to go speak. I'm going to a pastor because I didn't understand I was talking to one of my family members and I just didn't understand why I was being persecuted so much for my beliefs, right? And I said, look, I don't persecute you, why are you persecuting me, right? And and so I asked a couple questions I said, you know, let me ask you. So what you're saying is is because first of all, you know, I believe in Jesus Christ, And and this person said, well, you can't be saved.

11:37 And I'm going. Why is that? I say, I absolutely need him. I absolutely need him. You know, I cannot be saved without him. He's my savior. I confess that he is my savior. And I said, according to your religion, I'm saved. Because my confession, I am saved. Let me be saved in mind. I just leave me alone, please, you still. Will you even the same? You don't believe in same. Jesus, I believe in, and I said, well, I believe in Jesus lived in Jerusalem, about 2,000 years ago, who died on the cross the cross. For me, right? I believe in Jesus, who loves me tremendously and loves you as well, and he says, nope, no, your Jesus is totally different than mine. And I said, that's not true, you know, and I love this person I'm talking about. So I hope I'm not demeaning him, but at the time, another family member of mine said, well, I well before that let me back up so I ended up saying well let me ask you a couple questions because I really don't understand where you're coming. From you keep telling me that because of my belief in Jesus Christ I'm going to be thrown into hell and Because I'm going to get thrown into hell.

12:36 My body is going to be Torn to Pieces over and over and put back together and I'm going to be in Eternal Flames being burn burn burn for eternity, right? He goes. Absolutely. I said even though I just confess that Jesus Is My Savior, I'm still going to go through that whole experience, right? He goes absolutely I said but then an aborigine in the middle of in the middle of Australia. You know 500 years ago who never even had a chance to listen to eat any missionaries who never even heard the name of Jesus Christ ever. Never even had the chance to need even know there was a Jesus Christ runs in front of a raging animal, that's coming after his family. And because he did that he died and saved his family's life.

13:17 He goes to hell and he gets to be burned and he gets to be torn apart for all eternity as well because he never got a chance to confess Jesus Christ and he said absolutely. I said, wow. Okay. And then I said on the flipside, because somebody confesses Jesus Christ in the right religion, right? Quote, right. They can they can come in and then they can rape. They can pillage, they can do all this stuff for the rest of their lives and be the most evil person and they get saved, but the aborigine doesn't goes. Yep. That's what it is. Now, I'm not cutting down the religion because I also understand that there's different sets of on board again and, and non-denominational that they that they believe know. If you're going to commit yourself to Christ, you commit yourself to being good. Right?

13:58 In others? Say no, as soon as you commit yourself to Christ, you're saved, no matter what you do. So there's all different types. Of leaps out there, you know, obviously there's tons of beliefs in the Mormon church, right? It just keeps. You got to respect different sites in this belief. It didn't make any sense to me. It's right name. It just did not, it didn't click. And so I said, I don't, I'm sorry, I don't get your religion. I don't it doesn't make any eye, that's not the Jesus. I know you're right. You know. Yeah, we don't work with the worship the same Jesus that I know. And so so I said, if you can help me understand that would be awesome. And so, what happened is, I ended up he said, well, let me get you in touch with one of my pastors, and I'll let you talk to my pastor.

14:42 I said, I would love that because I really don't understand where you're coming from. I would love to understand you. So that at least I can have compassion for you and your beliefs. And so, so what happened is they set up a meeting with one of their passengers and I ended up going with another relative of mine who's was black, right? And and we ended up going to talk to this pasture and when I walked into the office, Office. I think it was Santa Ana California. Orange, California. So, my camera, where was I walk in. And there's a lady, greeting me the pastor and I look down on her desk and guess what? It says it says, was IT director for the ex-mormons for Jesus?

15:22 I like, oh no. I'm in trouble. And so, I'm going on, man, what did I get put into this? I just wanted to ask some questions. Well, I'm sitting there going, oh, well, let's Go with it. Let's see what happens. So they take me into this back room. It looks like a living room. They actually made it look like a living room and it has a like shelves on the side with tons and tons of tons of books from the LDS church, okay? And and, and they go into this living room setting. They sit me down, and here's her her husband and all these people from her congregation, right? And their surrounding me and I'm sitting there going, okay, this is interesting. I said, Thank you for taking time. Time to talk to me.

16:05 Would you mind if I would you mind telling me about your religion? So I can understand I really, really want to know where you're coming from. And so, they sat there and they just started telling me about my religion, his sort of talking about. Yeah, they started to call me everything that's wrong with my religion and everything like that. I said, wow, you know, something, I'm sorry. Can I just stop you? I'm not bashing your religion. I came here to learn about your religion. Would you mind tell me about your religion on mine and they said, well, the only way we can tell you about our In is to compare it to some other religion. I said awesome. Pick the Catholics picture juice pick somebody else but except for my religion and they said fine and then they rent went right back to batching our religion, you know, the things we believe and I say they're going. Wow, this is really interesting.

16:48 So I'm listening to them and I just thought that I said, can I just stop you guys, stop. I mean, seriously, stop attacking me. I'm not here to fight you. I want to learn from you. Not fight you. I mean, you have an opportunity to teach me your beliefs and your totally bashing me. I said, let me ask you something. I And to the lady. I said, what, what type of sins did you commit to make you so bitter and angry against the church that you have to spend your whole life and energy fighting it instead of promoting Jesus Christ. And she goes, she goes well as never a member of the church. She had never been baptized, but she bragged about how she had taken all the discussions. And while I'm talking to her, I'm sitting there going, you know, you expect me to believe you as an ex-mormon for Jesus.

17:29 When you're lying to me, I mean, you're lying. You were never baptized in the church. How do you expect To believe anything you say. And so, I turned her husband. I said, let me ask you a question. I said, when were you baptized, and when did you leave the church? And then she, he said, well, I was never baptized either. And so I turned all the congregation. I said, have any of you ever been baptized in the church? None of them. Not one single person in there. Okay, had ever been baptized in the church. And I sat there and I said, can you are bashing me and expecting me to believe you when all of you are lying to me. Yeah. Expect me to believe you. And then they, they Would start going off and going off, and going off. And they said, okay, tell you what, why don't you give us one Revelation to the church has received one easy, even any rubble a revelation since since Joseph Smith, I said awesome, if I show you one Revelation since Joseph, Smith will all of you stop bashing me and we'll all of you shut up and all of you go to work.

18:23 And we'll, you all did get baptized in the church. And will you stop fighting me and fighting everybody else and they all showed up, right? Because they're, yeah, it's not going to happen. But the interesting thing about it is I was in this situation in the reason why I bring this up is because they got to a point where I was still kind of new in the church. I've been back from my mission just barely I didn't know a ton of stuff about, you know, Joseph Smith, I actually when I was in the MTC. So back up, I'll tell my story in just a little bit. When I was in the MTC, I didn't believe in Joseph Smith. Okay, I did not believe, I didn't believe in the Book of Mormon, I went on a mission because the girl said, hey, I will marry you unless you go on a mission. So stand there, going. Oh man. Well, how do I get on a mission? No, something I didn't believe in Joseph Smith before I didn't, and I got it, but I had an experience in the in Missionary Training Center, When I Was preparing for a mission, it taught me.

19:12 He's absolutely a profit. Absolutely, you know, it wasn't me. Wanting it, it wasn't me asking for it. It was heavenly father telling me it even the prophet of our church could say, hey, it's all a joke. You know, Joseph Smith isn't a profit Book of Mormon is not true and I'd have to sit there and say sorry my my testimony didn't come from you on profit. It came from Christ from God, you know, from Other. So it's really interesting but but the point is I don't know what my point was but oh we're going to talking about Joseph Smith Brigham Young Zion and how yeah we all come together right? Yep yep that it instead of seeing the differences in everything else. Anyways you asked me a question about my conversion. So I grew up outside the church and when I was about 11 years old, the missionaries came and knocked on our door, okay? My mom had been a member before and she She she ended up on, she ended up letting him in and we thought they were awesome. They were fun.

20:11 You know, I remember Elder Jones was one of the names have been and he could put his his foot behind his neck and I thought that was really cool. Wow, it's awesome. We call them Elder to snake Jones and and I do remember them teaching me a single lesson, but I remember the feeling I felt around them. Does that make sense? Yep. Absolutely, yep. They asked my brother and I and you understand the spirit so you I'm talking about what I thought was really cool before we even started this podcast, as you said, can we say a prayer and it was a beautiful prayer. And I love that. Thank you for saying that. I mean, thanks for even offering to but but you know what, the spirit feels like and you want to be led by the spirit and that's so cool. That's what I felt. I felt the spirit for the first time probably in my life and I didn't know what it was as a little kid, right? But but they asked my brother and I would you like to be baptized and I said, absolutely, yeah, I don't know what this is, but I want to be baptized.

21:01 So I got baptized and I remember feeling something really The powerful. After I got baptized this Spirit, really was strong and I didn't walk around as a little. Do you know-know ten-year-old 11 year old kid? I was 10 years old at the time and almost 11:00 because I remember I was about a month month and a half before my birthday and I walking around and not wanting to step on little ants, no one in to hurt anything because I do something totally different that they're never felt before. It felt the strength in me now, either that went away or I got used to it, I'm not sure. But, but what happened is fast forward, my family started going to church. But Again, we grew up Greek Orthodox. You know, Catholic, all that stuff, whatever we grew up, you go to church, you go home. You really don't pray much, you know you don't really talk about the church.

21:42 Much when you go home, you don't really read scriptures, you know, and in the Greek Orthodox Church, you just go to church because that's what you do. And you know, if you can make it every Sunday, you go at least on the Eastern Christmas, right? Right. So, so that's what we did. And after a while our whole family left, the church, including me, Well, fast forward. Again, I'm was in 19 years old, 19 years old, and I'm DJing, I'm a DJ. So I own my own business since I was 15 right? And and and I'm DJing a gig on Catalina Island and there's do two blond girls in front of me that are super cute, you know, and they're all dancing and smiling at me and I'm like, wow, you know, DJ boy and I'm the Highlight, you know, and everything else and And I ended up thinking. Wow, they're really cute but then I picked one of them in man, I couldn't have picked a better one for me because she was more spiritual than me.

22:36 And she was just amazing. And, and I fell completely Head Over Heels over her because I never had anybody that spiritual in my life. And and so she and I started dating and I just wanted to be more like her. I wanted to be, I mean it's just amazing. You know how somebody can lift you up just because a little closer to Jesus, right? And So she ended up saying, well, I won't marry someone. Let's say, you want a mission and I'm like, going well, how do I go on a mission? She goes, well, you got to go to church and I'm like, oh man. Well, how do I do that? And she goes, come to my church. So 30 minutes away, we started going to church, and then, and then fast forward. I ended up doing everything I needed to get my papers in. And the funny thing is, I put my papers in and, and after I get them in the, my friends, all start asking me. Where do you think you're going to go on your mission? And the first thing that popped My mind was Rio De Janeiro, Brazil.

23:30 And I didn't even know where real was, you know, reality on a map. I knew it was in Brazil, but I didn't know where it was. And my family is my family from daughter is on T. So it's totally different, right? And so so I don't know why I said rio, but I said real. Well, everyone says that's the last place you'll go and I kept telling people for weeks, I'm going to Rio got going real. Got my mission call and it my girlfriend or Mom are there when I'm opening it up. Not, you know, on my girlfriend tears it open and I just paused And she reads it across the across the kitchen, because she ran away with it. You know, she grabbed it, because she wanted to open it. She ran around the kitchen and we all paused, she tore it open, pull it out. She said, Marcellus drop his, you've been here been by called to serve in the Rio de Janeiro Mission.

24:16 She's totally lying to me. And so, I went there, grabbed it, read it. And I'm going to serious, and I just ran outside, and did a flip into the grass. And I just go, I can't. Leave. I'm going to real, I'm like, where's real nice? And so I end up getting into the MTC and and I didn't know how the rules work. I didn't know I was supposed to get set apart before I went on a mission. In fact, if I could back up, the funny thing is I'm going through all the interview process to go on a mission and I go in with the stake president. And he says, oh by the way, if you're going to a mission, you're going to have to work arm and some like what our garments right long underwear.

24:57 And I'm like, oh, I'm never where. Yeah, you've got to go on a mission. Going to go through the temple, let me go. Okay, what's in the temple? And my my relatives were saying don't go through the temple because it's all it is in there is you know, people it's all black in there and people wear black robes and animal sacrifices and they do sexual ordinances and I'm like cool you know as a teenager. You don't tell a teenager to that, right? Yeah. You're thinking that sounds so metal, right? I want to check that out, man. I did in the temple. It wasn't anything like that, you know. I was like wow. No, totally. There were a little bit wrong. Well I want wrong. Yeah, so anyways my my interview with the stake president, he says you're gonna have to wear garments. Only where are those long underwear? And I remember being in Scouts for a little bit when I was really young, Cub Scouts and the older, the older men would have these long underwears and I thought, oh well, you wear boxers when you're a kid.

25:48 When be when you get older, you wear these old men wear underwear. If you want to, I didn't know if he had any and I didn't know how to anything to do with culture. Yeah, sure. Yeah. So he he said, if you're going to go on a mission, you have to go through the temple. If you go through the temple, you have to wear these garments and you're going to have to wear them 24/7. And I'm like, oh my goodness, are you serious? Like, that's crazy. I'm a beach boy. I mean, underneath my pants right now on Sunday, I've got my my swimsuit I'm about to get on the bus and go to the beach right after church. And he just sat there. And he said, now you're gonna have to warm 24/7 and with the most sincere sincere heart, I could, I turn to stay present. I said president, I Do that for two years and he says, no, it's not two years, it's the rest of your life. And I'm like, what?

26:37 And I committed to that, I so I was really green. I had no clue what I was doing. So I get in the MTC. Never read the book of Mormon before. Never didn't know about Joe Smith. So I read the book of Mormon for the first time in my life and I'm sitting there bored to death because I'm sitting there thinking this is just like a regular story there's like no crazy Doctrine or anything like this, I missed it all. First Nephi then I get to the end of first Nephi and I hit the Isaiah chapters and then I go, wait a minute, I grew up with Isaiah in the Greek Orthodox church that snake Joseph Smith. Totally stole Isaiah out of the out of the Bible, put in the Book of Mormon and I didn't catch the whole idea that they came from Jerusalem. I didn't sure. But I remember thinking what a snake I mean, couldn't he make up his own book? Why did he have to copy me, know, copy some other book and put it in his book and I started getting really upset and I start preaching to all the people there, you know, that that Joseph Smith is false and he's a snake. You know that he's stolen the MTC MTC. Wow, one of my teachers cry, the other one was trying to figure out.

27:36 How do we get this guy out of here before he runs all the missionaries and my other missionary teacher said, you know, don't worry you'll figure it out. So he was the only one that had faith in me at the time. And I don't know, I don't know how they made it through the through me, but but I kept reading by the way afterwards and I got to Second e Phi 2 and I'm like, wow, this is really interesting, if nothing else. Secondly, if I introduce To is really philosophical. That's really interesting. Then I got to Second e59 and something prick. My heart saying you better take this little bit more serious, because this book might be true. And then it took me six months to get an answer in my, in my missionary experience. I was telling people, I know, Joe Smith is a prophet, but I don't know if the book is true, you know, but, it took me six months before I got an answer. Now, back up, to where I learned about. Joseph Smith, is, I'm inside these these meetings with all the missionaries.

28:23 And, and I remember being on the front, right? Side. When one of the missionaries would send their going? I know the church is true. I know that Joseph. And I started crying and I still remember who he was. I still remember his face, I still remember everything. And in my mind I'm going, you're such a liar, you grew up in your goody-goody Mormon families, and, and your been brainwashed into her little kids. You don't know any different like I do, you know, you can't do anything like that, you know, there's no way you can know that Joseph Smith was a prophet in Canton, know, the Book of Mormon is true and I started thinking these guys are just totally brainwashed. That was my attitude, well fast forward, a few weeks later when I was fighting against Joseph Smith when I didn't Like Joseph Smith.

29:04 I don't know why I didn't leave the MTC probably because I didn't want to disappoint my girlfriend at the time. And I'm in this meeting and the, my Branch President. And by the way, I had a branch president into counselors. I thought the counselors were psychologists. I didn't do that. I got ya, I feel ya. Yeah, I thought it was a branch president to counselor so you know, so that they were supposed to give they were supposed to donate their time to do psychology for the missionaries and so I don't know. What that meant and so anyway he's up there talking about Joseph Smith and I'm in the back going though, another one, right. And I felt the spirit so strong telling me that Joseph Smith was a prophet even though, you know, like what changed, you know, here I am fighting against him. It was so strong is the family.

29:49 Father opened up the windows of heaven and let the spirit, just just come down. On me, in particular, out of that whole room. And for, about two hours, I kept feeling it, and I just knew that he was a prophet, all my doubt was gone. It wasn't that. I Learned a ton, it wasn't like a like a, you know, I read all these books or anything like that, he just gave me this absolute knowledge that he was a prophet and more than that and he took away. One hundred percent of the doubt I had. Does that make sense? Absolutely. I didn't understand why he was a prophet. I don't understand how he was a prophet. I just knew he was a prophet. So fast forward to this lady, you know, with the ex-mormons for Jesus, and she's she's grilling me.

30:30 And I just say, I know he's a prophet like I II can't, I can't erase what happened that day. I didn't ask for it, right? It happened. And so, it was just really interesting experiences, but that kind of got me on the road to where I am today. So, regardless of, you know, like I teach I did, I mention, I think, when you and I were talking about, know, if I mentioned it here, but it's interesting that, you know, when I teach youth because I used to be in charge of efy, and it sure you'd all these things, when I teach a youth, I asked him the question, you know, if you saw president house and walking down the street smoking, Cigar, and, you know, you know, cussing and drinking and whatever else, would you lose your testimony? And I'm sitting there going, they would say, well, we wouldn't even know what to believe, and I'm just like, well, I Believe In Christ and it doesn't matter. You know, the thing about it is, I'm not, I believe 100% in. Jesus Christ, 100%, in Jesus Christ. Because of an experience, I had, okay, not even a question and I 100% Joseph Smith 100% in the Book of Mormon. I totally believe it, I believe in the priesthood. Scent.

31:33 Now, do I put my faith in a person, okay? And the truth is no in Jesus Christ, right? You know, does my belief make me, you know, follow prophets and apostles? Absolutely. Okay. But I also know that Joseph Smith had, you know, some pretty tough times with some Apostles and even Jesus Christ, had one of his apostles who, who ended up joining us, a secret conspiracy to turn against Jesus Christ. And Jesus is Pretty good guy, you know? Right. So, so I don't put my faith in people, but I do put my faith in priesthood and I do put my faith in. And, and all the things that Joseph Smith asked us to, which is Joseph Smith said, don't don't put your faith in me.

32:17 You know, they put yourself in good faith in Christ. And so to me, I loved, I love president Nelson. I love, you know, all the apostles, I love all these, you know, the leaders and everything, but it wouldn't surprise me if any of them left. It wouldn't surprise me. It wouldn't do it. Anything to my testimony. Does that make sense? Absolutely. That's where I'm at right now. Yeah, absolutely. So I brought you on because of your expertise in preparedness and in in you know food storage just being prepared for the worst. Yeah. And one of the things that fascinated me when we first talked on the phone is you said you were in Brazil when hyperinflation kicked in. Yep.

33:03 Can you tell us what that looked like to somebody on the ground? Because I, I've had, I've had guys on here who are really knowledgeable about economy and I feel like I've that they've done a good job in pointing out the fact that hey, we're we're one event away, right? And in the world of economy and then the world of intelligence and that sort of thing, they call it a Black Swan event. We are one Black Swan event away from economic Irwin absolutely God, tell me what that tell me what that looked like, okay. And in Brazil as a missionary, okay, let me let me preface it with, you know, for the last 12 years. Let me give you my history a little bit. Sure to be director of entrepreneur development for the state of Utah.

33:49 Under Governor Huntsman, I helped set up the entrepreneur program for the state of Utah. I love building businesses. I've done over over probably 30 businesses and and when I do the businesses, I absolutely love helping people. Businesses money doesn't motivate me, it's just craziest thing but the helping people building building a project doing something meaningful now that totally motivates me. So about 12 years ago, some friends of mine came out to meet some investor friends and said, hey, the you know, why don't you pick a team? Why don't you pick whatever Niche business you want? And why don't you and will fund whatever you need and you go, why don't you go group grow agro-business? And I thought, I know exactly what I want to do. I've been thinking about it for a while. Well, thank you so much.

34:33 The funny thing is, we never even had a contract, and they gave so much money to help grow my business at the time and they're still my best friends. And that's the interesting. I wish the world could be like that. You know what I mean? People live by Integrity instead of by some contract and try to break it. Right? But what's interesting is 12 years ago about 12 years ago, this happened and I picked my team. I got my Niche and I was ready to get started with that Niche. I told one of my teammates on a Saturday morning. I'm going to go to the Internet and try to Find a company we can purchase. So to we don't have to start from scratch. Hang up the phone with Ryan, his name was Ryan and when I hung up the phone, I went to Google and is clear as day. Something said, do food storage and I was like, well, I didn't wasn't thinking about that. So I clicked on looked, it looked on and on food storage. And I went to page 2 of Google and I found a company called food storage, Depot guy, running it out of his basement. Barely started, but he had a lot of links and I thought, you know, we could offer this guy to buy his business, we're going to try to rank his company.

35:32 Me and build this business. And so call them up. He wasn't expecting to sell anything. I gave him a really good price. He said, I'll take it and we took over food storage Depot, right in its infancy and grew to number three, on the internet shift from all over the world, you know, a got the Navy Seals of the client. I mean just awesome things that happened. Wow. With that in mind, I've had so many conspiracy theories thrown at me since, you know, I started studying conspiracies from 2000. I'm sorry for 1999. Back in the day, when, when I started studying on the internet about the Illuminati and about this about Carroll Quigley and all these different things that are out there, right? And back in 1999, when you found it on the internet Because the Internet was so new it would disappear into seconds, right?

36:17 Go the next day, it was gone and I'm like, oh, that must have been sensitive information. Somebody took that down pretty quickly. Now. Today there's so much disinformation that you just don't know what to believe. Yeah. And and back then I could study things and find actually some truth, you know, And so now it's just really hard to find. What's true what's not true is Q. True is Q not true. Is is this Trump? Real is not real. You know. It's just you know what do you what do you know, what do you believe? You know, you just got to keep an open mind them, maybe possibly, Lucifer is really good at masking things and creating you know his own is you know, build his own controlled opposition. Right. So you just don't know anything but over those 12 years all these last 12 years I get all these conspiracy theories that are thrown at me all the time and Always listen. That's the first rule of an entrepreneur is you always listen because you might think, you know everything but if you listen long enough you learn something from other people. And so you never cut down an entrepreneur, you always listen to their ideas and you're always humble enough to listen, I always listen, I'll tell you the 80 90 percent of the conspiracy theories.

37:21 Go on a shelf and I keep my little finger there and I just keep my finger up there. In case, there's enough evidence for me to pull the down. We'll probably about 10 years ago. I pulled one of those conspiracy theories down because I I knew there was enough evidence. You want to know what that was? What's that? It was that there would be a world economic crisis. Yeah, ten years ago. I knew that I absolutely knew that wasn't a conspiracy anymore, but there was a group of people trying to create a world economic crisis to be able to bring people under control and I knew that. So my mind was going too. Well, how are they going to do this? I mean, are they going to crash the dollar because the dollar is so intertwined because the Petro dollar that it could, Guy it could influence So Many Nations all over the world but I said but that one in you know you crash the dollar, a lot of these third world countries, really don't depend on the dollar so that wouldn't cover Every Nation. It wouldn't cover ton of Nations had missed So Many Nations. So I started thinking our Union are they going to do a credit crunch but then I thought you know, a lot of countries don't even live off of credit, they live off of cash so that that might not work.

38:24 Are they going to crash the derivative Market which most people don't know about the derivative Market? But the derivative Market has about over just in the us alone it's over half of a quadrillion dollars in the derivative market. Now, if you were to add up all the currencies in the whole wide world it doesn't happen right? Brilliant right. So I thought if they crash the the credit or the derivative Market that's such a bubble. Yeah that would take down every nation you know that would crash Nations all over the place and so I thought well maybe they'll use the derivative Market to do it and that was my best theory. But then all of a sudden 2020 comes On and in the pandemic happens, right? And it took me about 1 week into the pandemic because they're saying, oh one out of every five, people will die. One out of every 10.

39:13 People are going to die. They just started throwing all these big numbers and they started closing down all the businesses now fast forward. We all know that. One out of ten people went out of five didn't die, right? Right. Like I got super sick with covid. I almost literally died it, so I'm not minimizing it but if it were a real pandemic, You okay, we're one out of five or one out of ten people were dying. The government wouldn't have had to close down our businesses. We would have done it ourselves, right? Nobody would have gone out, okay? But what was interesting is at that time and I had family members, who got sick with covid, by the way, but we didn't know what that was at the time in December because they got back from a cruise YouTuber, January, my family.

39:57 Okay, I talked to people at one of the big hospitals and they were seeing things from September October, I in 2019 but somehow somehow it came out in 2020, hit the United States, right? But but what's interesting is is during this time it literally took me about one week into the pandemic, all the hype, all the things, all the businesses, everything closing down everything and all of a sudden it hit me as strong as day. This is brilliant. Wow, this is yeah, really, I never saw this one coming. You know, let's close down the. Let's close down the nation for A week. 10 days, right? Right, let's close down two weeks, right? Let's close it down.

40:37 Two months, one year, when a half years. Yep. They're just going and you can't go to United States. You can't go to California with the big gigantic. You know freeways they have there and they usually have traffic and you can't slow down five cars in the front on a five-lane highway without expecting a traffic jam, two miles back, right? It doesn't happen. So when they start, you know, closing down all the Commerce and they start doing all the things they're doing, and, you know, The all the animals are killing and all this stuff. It's going to, it's going to have repercussions. But I just thought, man, this is brilliant. How do you blame something on something? You can't even see ya. And so so with that in mind we are I that doesn't take much for our economy fall apart, it doesn't just like Brazil.

41:20 Okay, just like I'm about to talk about. It doesn't take much for our economy to fall apart. It could be one new story, the other, the where, the brics Nations launched their currency and everybody loses trust in the US dollar and because they don't believe in the US dollar anymore. Nobody wants dollars anymore, right? It could be, it could be, I mean, it could be a variety of things. There could be so many things that, but we're one news story away at all times from us, not having the security that we think we have. And when I speak to all these big groups, I can't I can't tell you how many groups don't believe. There's anything bad going to happen. I did a survey to a church group before I spoke to the church group, two weeks earlier, I gave them a survey to know what they believe.

42:03 You'd be surprised, I asked these questions. Like, from a scale from 0 to 10 K, 10, meaning it will absolutely happen 0, meaning you won't ever ever happen, right? How many of you believe that we could enter World War 3 within the next 20 years that we could have a bit large earthquake in Utah within the next, 20, 30 years or in your lifetime. Actually I think I put that one is a lifetime. Anyways I asked these questions and and I even ask the questions. How many of you believe that Christ could come Um, in the next 20 years, 30 years, right? How many believe that Zion could be established in the 20, 30 years? You know, and I literally had people in, you know, in the church stay 0.

42:45 I'm like when I would go to 0, you know, and I'm sitting there going, I would never, you know, I'm not a complete tan about everything I'm a strong 9 but but I would never put a 0 I mean I'd least put a 1. Right, right. What's interesting is this when I took all the averages of Buddy in that, in that Ward. And I put it together and I've been doing emergency preparedness professionally for so long. I mean I own the longest, the largest emergency preparedness retail store in Utah, food storage Depot, I started the longest lasting emergency water in the world. Okay. The you know I work with filters I work with. I have food line called Ready Harvest cells on Amazon.

43:26 It it's, you know, we have a whole Warehouse. We do, you know millions of dollars. Worth of food and all the stuff I have a little bit of experience in all this stuff. But anyways, going going back to the man. I just want a DD i--. Oh, it's okay. I'm riddled with a your father owns an add moment. I was making a point with all that and I went back. What was I saying right? Before I started bragging about all my accomplishments. Just now just with with the you were in this Ward and you gave him the sorbet and then you took the aggregate number. Yes, I took the aggregate. Burke. And what was interesting is this when I aggregated all the numbers on average simple average?

44:09 No no weighted average. But a simple average, I took all the people who believed that Christ could come design, could be established in the next, 20, 30 years. And guess what? The percentage of people who believed Christ could come in the next 20, 30 years, what would dreams 3%? Okay, that that I've had people say 3% or 5%, all this stuff. It was actually 46%. Okay, but what's interesting about that 46 percent is if you think about it, the parable of the, of the ten virgins, okay? That's about the that's about the parable of the ten virgins because think about it. Let's let's go into the the story. Yeah, about half the yeah, yeah.

44:54 How many of the 10 virgins believed that Christ would eventually come? I've right. No eventually. Come eventually. Come all of them. All of them. Did how many of them fell asleep? I can't remember all ten. Okay? Okay, but when the call came, because the Lord tarried, right? The Lord didn't show up when he, they thought they would show up, right? Five of them were ready, in 5 of them. Weren't right, okay? Now, you can say that's a spiritual analogies. You can say that's a food storage analogy, that you can say that temporal preparedness, spiritual preparedness, that there's a whole ways, bunch of ways that could take it, but what's interesting is 50% of the people and I would, I would say that 50%, Percent is probably pretty true with most Christian religions, I think so. Yeah.

45:44 And we're 50 percent believe that Christ could come in the next not will come, could come in the next, 20, 30 years, and in, so, it makes you, it makes you wonder because here's all these Christians that believe he will come someday. All ten virgins, believe that, okay? Five of them were ready. Five of them weren't right. And then five that warm say, hey, we can't make it. And, you know, whether this Temple or spiritual preparedness, we can't make it without your oil. Can you give us some of your oil right there? Like what we can because we wouldn't be able to have enough for ourselves, and again, spiritual temporal, whatever it is, right? But but the point is, what side are you on? You know, like, I believe Christ could come in the next, 20, 30 years.

46:24 And I want to be ready for that. Now, if you look at the Doctrine and Covenants, DNC, 4:45 and you look through the all the different scriptures, we have, it's interesting. Because if you aggregate all these different verses, what is this? A is says As interesting interestingly enough even on Matthew 24. Okay, that there will be that I think it's going to get worse than we expect in sure. DNC 45 it talks about how To talks about how the people will say, the Lord delayeth, his coming until the end of the Earth. Okay? So that's the in c-45 right there. The, the Lord delayeth, his coming until the end of the Earth and when you, when you look at that, you think, okay? Well, what does that mean?

47:12 It doesn't mean to the end of the dirt on the ground. It means to the end of all people on the Earth. And then, you look at another part of the DNC, and it says that if the beautiful don't repent, the Earth will be left desolate. Without inhabitant right now. If those two extremes could be presented in the scriptures, okay? And and you have in Matthew, and in the New Testament, where one person will be two people be in a field. One will be taken to people line in bed, and one will be taken to people will be toiling. One we've taken whether that's physical spiritual, whatever it is right. If, if you can go to the extreme that the world will can be left without inhabitant that. The Lord delayeth. His coming until the end of the Earth. Nobody's alive.

47:53 Anymore. You know unless they repent you can imagine that it could get pretty bad before Christ comes. And so in this, the point I want to make with this before I get into Brazil, wow, a TD moment, it's all good, so good. The point I want to make with this is just for those listeners out here who believe in Jesus, okay, who believe in Christ, just know that when we hit the 7 years of tribulation, which a lot of people think all, we started then 2017, I don't think we have my Opinion is when we hit the 7 years of tribulation, tribulation will know. I mean, it's going to be bad and I think it's going to last so long that people are going to start questioning is Christ real, right?

48:35 Well, why isn't he showing up? Why are so many people dying? Why are so many people Surfer own suffering wire? Like Joseph Smith, talked about wire wire mother's turning in his daughters son, father's against Sons. Why are they killing each other? Why is society falling apart? Why, you know why is the Constitution? I'm getting to a point where it's almost falling apart where we have to save it. Why is all this stuff happening is Christ even real and and as a little lesson here we got to remember to be the five virgins that even though all 10 started doubting all 10 fell asleep because they started doubting that he would make it that night, okay? That we need to be the five that are prepared enough to believe that he will still come tonight. And when that time comes, we're going to have relief. We're going to have helped in that. Tribulation will be a lot of Miracles. A lot of amazing miracles on my mission. I remember, I didn't know what the spirit was, but I started learning.

49:33 And remember I'm being out there and, and we had an experience where I was about to turn down an Alleyway and the spirit told my companion, and I don't turn down that Alleyway because you'll get hurt. And on one side of the alleyway, was a mountain and the other side of the alleyway. And there are two to walls like brick walls on both sides on the other side was houses, I could see all the way down the quarter quarter, half mile of the IL e. I Le T way all the way to the other Street and by walking down the alleyway, which we did probably a hundred times. I it saved us so much time instead of walking a mile around the whole, the whole thing I could see there was nothing, nobody down there, and we could get through it pretty quickly. We can.

50:17 Can run if we needed to. And when, when the spirit said, don't walk down my companion. I said, do you see any trouble? I said, no. And I said, let's just do it. Let's go. Right? So we started walking and we got about halfway through. And right before, right before, or right, when we were in the middle, the guy starts running down the hill of the mountain to jump on us and kill us. You know, or arepa or not rapist was to called when you steal people's money, mugga, mugga, mugga mug us, kill us whatever he was going to do, you know And Brazil Rio de Janeiro at the time was number one, and number three, most dangerous places in the world. Now, what's interesting is he gets to the point where he's about to jump on top of us. When a gate, a gate opens up.

51:00 I've never seen that gate open before. Didn't see anybody there opening the gate, I just thought go in and open it up till this day. I think it was an angel of spirit or something, who did that for us? Because I didn't see anyone there. It just opened up the guy jumped in a bush because he was afraid. Somebody was going to catch him and we ran and got out of They're now the spirit told us, there was problems, right? But we didn't listen now fast forward in the mission. I'm walking down a street at night and I feel the same feeling and I turned in my companion. I said, hey, we're in trouble. He goes, what do you mean we're in trouble? I said, something's wrong. And he goes, but I don't see anyone. I mean, why do you say that? We've got walk down the street sometimes and he goes, I go, I know it, I feel it. I said something's wrong. So we look around and Farah probably about a couple hundred yards back.

51:43 It's guy hiding behind cars and things trying to sneak up with us. I say, see that Right. There He Go. He's about to get us and so we ended up running into a born-again church while they were doing their. Drumming and they're clapping and everything else. And we just ran inside that church because it was safe and stood in the back in the past. First kind of got tense and said, what are they doing in here, right? We're like, no, seriously. We're just trying to save our lives. You know, that's it, right? So we learn to listen. Now, found a sport again. I'm a I'm walking down the street through some wooded area because we cut these Corners as missionaries. Do to get back to our apartment. And like we had done probably a hundred times before and like I always do, right? And so we're cutting through these woods and these three people with, with nylons on their head come running right at us as fast as they can screaming. We're going to kill you assault, assault. We're going to kill you assault in Portuguese, right? And they come running right out at us with the nylons on the head.

52:41 And I didn't feel any fear, I didn't feel any danger, I'm feeling the darkness. I felt like, I just didn't know what it was. So I put my hands in my pocket, kind of leaned on one foot and kind of cock my head while I just stared at them. Like they were baboons running at me and I just stared at them with no fear and just kind of crunched my eyes a little bit going. What are these guys doing? And they ran all the way up to my companion. Itin stopped about two feet in front of Us, and they took off their nylons and they're, they're, you know, 17, 18 year, old kids thinking that it would been smart and funny to scare the missionaries. Right? I didn't know that, okay, the spirit knew that and so when I stared at them, they asked this question when they stop. They said why didn't you run?

53:30 And I said, because the spirit told me that there was nothing wrong and they said, when we ran at you and started trying to scare you and you stared at us It's like you just stared at us, you scared us. So they said that to me and I ended up teaching two of them and baptizing, two of, which was really kind of fun. But was interesting, is this? The point is regardless of the religion, regardless of the spiritual background, the point I'm making on this is regardless of how bad things get in the future. Five of us at least need to be on the side where we trust Christ enough to make it that way. Trust Christ will come, even though we can't see how he'll ever come, right? Because things are getting that bad. And again we have the promise that he will shorten the days of tribulation for the elects sake, right? For the elects sake, he's going to make it better for people. So anyways, my point is trust in Christ, right? Right.

54:27 Let's go to back to Brazil since I just started that and since it took us forever to get to this point. So our house bill, which I hope you don't mind that. I actually had all about, all know you. You asked me to go by the spirit and I did. Yep. No, that's good. And and so, and I will continue to go in that in this conversation. As you asked me to go, no sweat. When I was in Brazil, it was interesting because Brazil and United States are two different animals, okay? Brazil back in the 1989 1990 when they went through thirty thousand percent inflation in 1990, okay? Just give you feel what that feels like, but it wouldn't say you get a thousand dollar paycheck on January 1st.

55:08 And you don't spend it by the time you go to spend it on March 31st. Three months later, it literally has the purchasing power of $25. Yep. Okay. Now if you were to take thirty thousand dollars a paycheck, thirty thousand dollars in January 1st, if you go to Denton December, 31st of that same year, you have the purchasing power of less than one dollar at that point, thirty thousand dollars. Okay? Imagine that's, that's something that's some people's paycheck for the Year. Yeah, I'm that and you go buy a, you know, a thing of bubble gum with it, right? Candy bar with it, instead of paying your mortgage, right? And so that's what happened in Brazil. Now, in Brazil at the time, okay, people didn't go in debt, when they were going to build a house, they bought one brick at a time and they paid cash.

55:59 Okay. So Brazil was in a place where they could handle this type of situation a lot better than we could handle it today. If we were to go in because we live in debt, everybody pretty much almost everybody in the United States lives on debt credit cards mortgages. You know, you name it. It doesn't matter, right? We're a deaded nation, they could handle it a lot better than we can today. If it were to happen here, we would be in trouble. We wouldn't be able to handle it, but them, they knew how to get around it. They had enough Community to be able to help neighbors out. They lived by cash not credit. So they knew that, you know, they didn't have big houses, they didn't have all these expensive things. They you know if the utilities went out okay, well they're used to that happening anyway.

56:48 Okay, right, that's right. So so I learned a big lesson because what happens and I'll tell you what will happen in our country. When things do get worse, if they go down the same path, way you go to Target and and you see, you see the aisle ways and you can want to get a vacuum cleaner. How Different types of vacuum cleaners. Would you find there? Dude, I try to avoid Target. My wife loves Paris. I try to avoid it, but I'm gonna go on a limb and say, you probably find 12 and anyone that may be pain. Doesn't, I don't know how to Target much either. But the thing about it is, you'll probably find a number of different types of vacuum cleaners, right?

57:30 And then you go to you, go to look at blenders, right? And you see, 10 blenders and 10 coffee, makers intend this and you know, five ten of each type of thing different types. A bruise different types of you, just have so much variety. Now, when a nation starts losing its it's the power of its currency its Cycles. I mean, I don't know if you knew this but this last month November a lot of people didn't spend money. Yep, I know that most wouldn't be really worried, right? And it's becoming a cycle. Now when people spend less money, how many businesses can stay in business? Not very many, the big boys, right? The ones that take some Financial abuse. Absolutely, but you start seeing more and more businesses, go out of business because people aren't spending money. Well, that's what happened in Brazil will happen is, you would go into a store.

58:20 And instead of seeing 10 blenders or ten coffee makers or 10, you know vacuum cleaners, whatever else you have one. One of each and it's expensive. And it's really low quality and because that's what it is, you know, people aren't spending money on getting a new broom. They're using their old rooms, right? Money on a new blender, you know, they're using their old blenders, you know, or borrowing their neighbors. Right. Right. And in so, you can't sustain businesses, if nobody buys anything right and it becomes a cycle. Now, I did learn a cool lesson, an amazing lesson and this From a hot dog, vendor on the corner in Brazil, in petr��polis in Rio de Janeiro.

59:10 He he would stop, he would stop me once in a while and say do you have any American dollars? I said I do. He says are you going to take them to the bank anytime soon? Said, yeah. It says, what are the banks? What is the bank pain for one of your dollars? A thousand of yours? He says tell you what. If you have a dollar on you right now I'll pay you a thousand ten. And I'll take your dollar and save you a trip to the bank. I said deal. That's a win-win. You know awesome I'll take it. Give him a dollar. He gives me 1010. I go take that thousand ten and guess what I need to do. I have to spend it as fast as possible because that thousand ten might only be worth 800 tomorrow.

59:55 Yep. So I got to go by as much as I can as much as I can quickly. Now, what's interesting about what he did is he just got $1 for me for 1,000 of his notes and week or a month later or whatever. But I don't that dollar is now worth ten thousand of his notes, right? So he goes find somebody who will buy a dollar for 10,000 of his notes, even if they don't jack it up, it's the same price, the bank would pay, right, right? How are those to the bank? And now, he gets ten thousand of his notes. And now his 10,000 of those notes, can by exactly the same amount that he could a month earlier for 1,000 of his notes, he hasn't lost any value. Does that make sense?

1:00:40 Because of the doc Gibbs and absolutely does? Yep. Okay, so he hedged in hedged inflation with a dollar. Now, dollar was the strongest currency at the world that I know Now, you look today and you're like, how would I do that today? And I would say two things. Number one, you know, find something like silver or, you know, Poor Man's gold right? Silver gold. I like silver to be able to hedge inflation. So that when inflation happens you're able to you know, take your dollar might be worth 50 cents in a month, but that silver coin can can can buy you two dollars, right? Right. Okay. Get can double in price because it keeps its value. You.

1:01:24 So so right now I think silver is being completely manipulated because there's no way silver should have a margin of more than a couple dollars. Sure we're having fifteen, twenty dollar margins right now so it's totally being manipulated in my opinion. And and so I think silver someday will explode is my opinion total opinion. That's my, that's my that's my disclaimer. That I'm not a financial advisor, you know. Right. But but I think it'll Sunday gained a ton of You and it could be act like a really good hedge for inflation for short-term. Now, whether our economy goes down, financially and then gets better, and then goes down again or whether it goes down and just keeps getting worse.

1:02:06 There will be a time in my opinion, after 12 years of professional experience. Hundreds of thousands of dollars mistake in mistakes, you know, tens of thousands of hours of experience. You right in doing preparedness. My opinion is, I believe there will come a day when things get so bad. Bad that even a silver coin isn't worth anything. Yep, I agree with you. So the last time, the economy really took a dump back in 2007-2008 things got really slow for surveyors. I was blessed because I was able to kind of, you know, do my own thing and I surveyed for Farmers out in rural Idaho and and I did okay. It only took me three, surveys a month to to do more than okay. So I was right.

1:02:53 Is very blessed. However, I had a ton of time on my hands and so I read everything I could on economies and the one case study, I keep coming back to you is Germany, the the Weimar Republic, right? The the Republic that was in power, right? Before Hitler stepped in and when hyperinflation hit there, And they inflated their currency for a different reason than we do but the results are still going to be the same. I fear you had guys who, when hyperinflation really kicked in started demand to be paid every day because just, as you said the, the dollar lost their purchasing power and they weren't getting paid in checks, they were like basically back the Brinks truck up and we'll get paid in cash, the wives would be standing right there.

1:03:47 They would give the money to the wife to go buy the Necessities milk bread, whatever. And because it was rising at such an accelerated Pace. It was hundreds, if not thousands of dollars more the following day, Then if he bought it right, then the other experience I had that taught me a lot was right before the lockdowns happened for the pandemic. And I was at home. And it was about midnight. I mean, it was strange. I was just up reading, like, I normally do, I don't sleep much but I remember I just felt the spirit.

1:04:28 Say, go to WinCo. Go to Winco. So I jump up and I like, I don't know what I'm doing. But, okay, so I just, I take a drive. I couldn't sleep. I was Restless at whole night and I remember, I walked in the store and the shelves are just bear bear. Wow. And people are lined up. I mean, the line was so long and most WinCo's are laid out fairly similar, but where the check stands were The line stretched all the way back by the bakery. All the way back down and almost down to where the meat was.

1:05:08 You're kidding. Oh my God. People were hoarding. I shouldn't say hoarding. They were just it's not like it was freed. They were scared right. There was a palpable fear. Yeah. That I had never felt since like 9/11, right. That's the closest thing I could come up with, but I just remember, I just walked the aisles, we didn't need anything because we my my wife is a rock. And we had plenty of food in the house and plenty of supplies and I didn't need anything. So I wasn't there, buying anything And it became evident on why I was there during that time but I just walked up and down the shelves at flowers gone Sugar's gone ramen, noodles are not. It's just gone it's just gone there.

1:05:49 Just bear and these poor WinCo people there they're unloading the truck, trying to restock and they can't even get the boxes open. People all over the boxes Terran. It open themselves and getting stuff noodles. Every just anything you can imagine, right? Yeah. And as I'm saying there, And I'm like, why am I here? Why do I have to look at this? And I'll never forget it. And I've never shared this story with anyone but my wife before this this podcast that you and I are doing here. The spirit said, Just know, this is a warning. Wow. This is a warning of things to come. Wow.

1:06:32 And but it tastes and a sample and that left such a huge impression on me that as I've watched things begin to unfold now over and over, I keep getting alarm Bells going off in my gut all the time and I I'll never name names. There's guys I bring on the podcast but there's other folks I talked to who Have acid. I don't reveal who they are, but they're in the know. I'll just say it like that. Yep. And we are not stable, we are not solvent as a nation and we are a hair's breadth away from things we haven't seen maybe ever.

1:07:13 I mean, the closest you can come to is maybe the Great Depression. And I think a lot of people feel this, they don't know how to articulate it, they don't know what to make of it, but there is something wicked coming. Our way that will be like nothing we've ever seen. And we, the laws of economy are a lot like the laws of physics at some point. They're going to be obeyed and the farther up you go, the longer the fall back down and we haven't taken our medicine economically. Since the Great Depression, we managed to squirrel our way out of any bubble and that we weren't 30 trillion dollars in debt. Yeah, me either.

1:07:54 Yeah. And so you go back and you do the math and you start figuring out what we've done. We you know we averted one bubble by I shouldn't say advert, we shortened it by extending credit. The last time we and this is the hard thing for people to realize, I mean, really the recession of 08 lat Did probably 2012 2013 before things really picked back up again. Um, if we just look, At that. That was shortened because we bought our way out of it with cash. Absolutely. Now the cash is gone now, the cash is gone. What do we stop it with this next time? Exactly.

1:08:38 There's nothing left. You look at our economy and look at the entrance. Look at inflation period. Okay, we have the Dow. The, you know, we have the stock market looking like, it's doing really good. And everything else is really doing as good as it is, or is it, is it that our dollar has lost value in it appears to be doing Just as good even though it's going down right? You know because dollar dollars, change numbers, right? Value changes numbers. And and you look at how many trillions are going back into spending. I think, you know, I think it's just a matter of time. You the government stopped spending money, guess what happens? Things employed right? I think it's the fall fall. Some, we're living in a false reality right now, and excuse me.

1:09:22 And we absolutely are. Do they change? They change. You can be admitted into the Dow, right? If a company's doing too badly they're like okay, you're not part of this anymore to make those numbers look better. Yeah, if if an American citizen or American Business did their books like Wall Street in the government we'd be in jail and that's just the truth of it. And so and so I feel like we've done a good job here in diagnosing, you know, the the problem and I feel like I've done Another podcast but now I want to present some solutions right now. I'm not a big believer in just being the guy who just says You know, here's the problem.

1:10:06 We're screwed. See you later. Good luck. Yeah, yeah, I tend to be want to give, I love, I love, I love my list. Yeah, I love my listeners. I really do as I've come to know No, these folks. Yeah I have a tremendous love for them and I want to present Solutions on the way out because here's the thing. Hope is contagious, just like fears contagious and and if we can be that people that just are were anchored to truth and we're anchored to things that are real. Not only is that good for us, in our family, but that helps us in being able to tell people.

1:10:53 You don't got to go dark here, right? Because fear and hunger is a volatile cocktail. And, and let's, let's, let's not just Preserve ourselves. Let's show people the way out, you know, you don't, you don't have to go over that Cliff with Humanity, so that the other reason I brought you on is you have a lot of solutions, right? That doesn't mean it's going to be pleasant. Doesn't mean it's going to be fun, but there are ways through and, and I want to talk a little bit about that. Absolutely. Yeah. Let's talk a little bit about that. If we're going to talk about that, let me let me go a little bit further on what you're talking about when I teach. Teach from a more positive point of view, but also from a realistic point of view, I was teaching a group of people that were pretty wealthy, you know? And, and I'm asking them, how much, how much food storage do you have, you know, how much, how many supplies do you have, how prepared are you for for, you know, an earthquake or economic collapse or anything like that? It was surprising that not very many of them had, very many bending, just even, even even here in Utah, which is crazy, you know, you're just like preparedness capital of the World.

1:12:04 And barely. Barely anybody had anything. Now what's interesting is on The, in fact, a little side note, if I asked I was talking to a group of men, one time and I asked them all these questions. Now if I ask their wives, the question, it was at separate answer. Yeah. And I was, I'd say how many of you guys have at least a Year's worth of food storage, and all these men hands, go up. If I were to ask the same families of the women, how many of you would have years years worth of food storage, barely any of their hands would go up. So what's interesting is women tend to underestimate How prepared they are and they tend to overestimate how bad things are, okay? Men tend to underestimate how bad things are and they tend to over brag, how prepared they are, okay.

1:12:49 And it's just it's just part of being a guy guess. You know, you got to show all I've got everything and I have so many people say to me you know I don't need to really prepare because when something really bad happens, I'm really creative and I'll figure it out then and that's majority that is the majority of guys, right? All these women might my clients are primarily with men like 60% women and and a lot of them are 56 years old and older because they understand what has happened in history, where a lot of 20 year olds go out and do, this is normal, this is how everything is no, no this isn't, you know, so so it's interesting is because men don't know where they're at. A lot of times. It takes the women one times to say, no, we need to get prepared and and and if a guy has a attitude at all figured out when it happens. And you know, and I You can't force somebody. If you force them, they'll go the other way. You have to find a way to get them interested without forcing them.

1:13:44 But if they have that attitude, just remember, you know, when you had your experience with with the the shelves empty that could happen very quickly for good. You know, it's not so for a day or two for good Tiffany and P of attack happened. In all the electricity, all the trucking, all the food production, all the water pumping, everything happened. No, no refrigerators, it could be done for you. Year or more. Absolutely. And in additional the Congressional study on that set up to 90% of the United States could perish or die because of that, right? And so there's go ahead or even. So I was going to say, I have a when Hurricane Katrina happened, I was on the eastern shore of Maryland and I worked for a bigger company and we got work to go down there and do the levees.

1:14:35 And I made a good friend who worked for FEMA and he said, EMP is Is Nightmare scenario. That's the one that keeps everybody awake at night, his agency. 90%, you know, possible. Very, very, very, very possibly. It's going to happen. And so people got to understand, you've got to prepare for the worst and hope for the best, right? And so I'm talking to this group of very wealthy people. And ask question, I said, you know, you guys. It was guys and I said you guys aren't very, very prepared but you have the means to do so, I have the Widow's Mite walk into my store, and with the last little bit, Money. They have, they buy everything. They can to get prepared for emergencies. But here you guys can, you know, you go, you can go on a vacations for fifty thousand dollar content by 3 and enjoy your vacation with your family but you won't even spend a thousand dollars in emergency food when you have the means to do so and I said, can I just give you a from a logical point of view?

1:15:26 Let's just let me ask you a question. Do you think the dollar is going to be stronger next year or weaker and they really well, it's getting weaker inflictions happening. Now, I'm do you think you're going to be able to buy more with your dollar or less? Well, obviously we just answer that question less, right? Well do you think possibly we could go through? Go to a recession? Well yeah, it's been the longest stretch in our nation's history without a recession. Obviously could happen. I said if it does happen with us being trillion, 30 trillion dollars in debt, you know, is it possible that that recession could turn into a depression this time? Like we had 100 years ago, okay. And he said, yeah obviously it can I said if there was a depression with the depression in your mind's, only last a year or less Yes, where do you think it would last a year or more?

1:16:11 And they're like going. Well, if you were a depression, not a recession recession, I mean the last one took about 45 years to get out of right 56 years. If your depression? Yeah I mean it would last probably seven ten years or more and I said then you just answered your own question you know you know things are going to get bad. You know they can get really bad, why don't you go spend your money and buy food for a dollar today instead of a hundred dollars tomorrow And go get 30 year, shelf life foods like real foods, not not the ones they say up to 25 year shelf life, like you see online all the time, some of the young something companies out there that advertise the most are, are the cheapest worst products in our industry. But they have the biggest margin so they can out Market, everybody, and everybody thinks they're the best, right? But they're not you know, and so you know I don't play those games, I think they're dumb.

1:17:04 So get away from the up to s20 how up to 25 years. Fly foods and all that stuff. Get to the food's actually do work, but I was telling these guys. Why don't you go by, you know, go buy extra food and put it away. And I said, if I'm wrong and we do not go through anything at all. Okay. And this world is perfectly perfect. You know ten years from now and there's no recession. There's no depression there. Still be going to be inflation. You'll be able to turn to me and say, hey, Marcel. That was that was the best investment could have made, you know, we bought. Bought food for a dollar, an hour, its $100 and and we're eating it up and we're saving a ton of money from groceries because of your advice. Thank you so much right now.

1:17:47 If the economy does crash or we go through an EP or whatever and they have all that food, then the then they can think me because they actually got prepared for emergencies. So the point is people have to get out of this mentality of, I don't need to get prepared until things. Get that bad. You need to get prepared before they get bad. It's better to be prepared a year early than even. In just one day too late. Does that make sense? Absolutely, it does absolutely, it does because when it comes, it's too late. And I have a feeling that this is going to come to borrow from scripture, come like a thief in the night, right? We what we're up against now is Is nothing that you it's not something you can plan for week beforehand, this will be drastic and this will happen overnight. It doesn't take much.

1:18:40 We saw it, right? Just the just a government official saying, hey, we're going to go ahead and we're going to everybody staying home for two weeks, right? Panic panic in Orem Utah, right? The One place on God's green earth. That should have been the best place to be. During that right Common Sense would dictate. All these people have had it drummed into them for decades, get prepared, have food storage We were flat foot. We were as flat-footed as anybody else when when that punch came to the face right hand, and it bore it out and it was a spooky spooky scenario to stand in the middle of that store.

1:19:27 And and I've never been someplace where the fear was that palpable, right? And and I felt genuine concern. I just want to put my arms around people and be like, it's gonna be all right. And see. That wasn't even a huge crisis. No, that was planned. That was planned, right? That was that was a story. That was with the idea of and we're going to keep stores open through this. So you can still go get food. This was not War tomorrow, we're all the sudden we can't get supplies in. We stopped trading with China, we stop importing something. It was hey the stores are still going to be open but everyone's working from home for two weeks and we're canceling school. It was just that that set that whole Cascade of events into motion, it revealed how fragile we really are as a society. Yeah we're totally dependent.

1:20:28 And I have a friend who's very I will be wealthy and he, he drove drove around with his family and I, he sold all his properties, tons of properties, and he drove around in a RV for long. His time, looking for where he's going to live next. And here he is, you know, totally wealthy in an RV with a bunch of kids. Hairs unkept people were probably thinking poor guy. We probably need to donate to this guy and he could live anywhere. He wanted to he ended up on moving to a place in Idaho and and he bought like a little piece of farmland and and kind of out in the Boonies. And he said something interesting to me. He said, Marcel were still close to a Walmart that's too uncomfortable for me. And yeah, if we're that dependent that, we need to have a Walmart and I have to depend on a Walmart.

1:21:12 That's still too uncomfortable. You know, the point I got from him is I'd rather create pain now and gain later, rather than gain. Now in pain later, you know, I'd rather pay the price of the pain. Now, to learn how to get prepared now and buy the supplies, get what you need? Don't hoard. Okay, don't don't become an extremist, but The right things, you know, to learn how to do it. You you and I talked about I'm going to be putting on a preparedness Challenge and I can get you the link later on but I'm going to do a preparedness challenge where I'm going to teach people how to do seven steps of preparedness. Kit ready, right? And in the interesting thing is, in our industry, we have two camps. We have we have Preppers and survivalists, okay? People have heard of Preppers and survivalist, I went to the internet, try to figure out.

1:21:55 Okay, what's the definition between the two and words? The delineation is obviously I'm a prepper. I'm A survivalist. I'm both right? And what's interesting is Preppers, learn survival skills and survivalist, learn proper skills. There's, there's a mix between the two. You're not just a prepper, just a survivalist, for the most part. Some people are but the, but, but when I looked at, I couldn't find a definition, where's the delineation until I thought? Okay, wait a minute, I can Define this really easy. It's not hard, a prepper, somebody who focuses on supplies over skills, and somebody who's a survivalist. Okay, focuses on skills over supplies. Okay. Now doesn't mean that's all they do, but that's the Spray now on the outskirts of the prepper are the senseless fear-driven ignorant hoarders, who buy anything and everything, fill up their whole house, make their families, really uncomfortable but they don't know what they're buying, they're just buying everything. Okay?

1:22:45 And a lot of times it's tough goes bad, it goes spoils, it's the wrong stuff. You can't live off of it and they just spent their life savings on this stuff right there. There's order to getting the right stuff at the right time and that's what we teach. I'll be sharing some of that stuff in the challenge. I'm going to be doing It and you need to know what to buy without going overboard and becoming a hoarder. Now, on the flip side, on the skill side, you have the survivalists, right? And on that side, if you're going to go to the extreme, you have either minimalists gay who say, well, I don't really need any supplies at all, because I know how to use a knife and I know how to survive and I'll be able to survive no matter what. So I don't need any supplies, okay. And that's an extreme it all reality. I was also teaching it at a survivable Conference about 450 people there and I was teaching for about 45 days on preparedness.

1:23:36 Okay. Now survivalist, but preparedness the prepper side and one of the guys actually told me, well, I really don't need to get supplies because I know how to survive. And I said, why would you do that to your family? Why would you do that? Your kids? How many people do you think are going to go after the same neighbor? Had neighborhood dog. Okay. It's like, there's only so many of those dogs, right? How are you going to feed your family or you to try to kill their cats to and everything? Else. Everyone else is going to go after those same animals. Why don't you while you have the means and get some supplies in place to be able to protect your family. And if you get to an emergency and you can use all your survival skills, never have to dip into that supply of food and water and everything else. Awesome.

1:24:17 Good. Good for you. Awesome. But why would you put your family in danger in a place where they are going to be? So uncomfortable, because maybe your survival skills aren't good enough at that point, right? Why wouldn't you just get the supplies now and just Do the right thing and he goes, oh, good point, you know? And and the point is on the survival side, there are the extremists which are either minimalists. You know, I can survive off of anything. Let me show off, right? And typically, guys, right in the women are like, no, we need supplies and then the other side are militants. And those are again, are based on fear or ignorance, right? Because they don't believe they need supplies anyways, because they have enough guns and bullets that they're going to just fight everybody and take somebody else's supplies.

1:25:00 Eyes. And if anyone gets close to their house they'll shoot him, right? And so either, those are just extreme the hoarders or the militant minimalist, or militants. The truth is it's good to be a prepper. It's good to be a survivalist. If you have the right skills without going overboard, and you have the right supplies without going overboard, those need to come just like a Venn diagram. Those two circles need to cross over and that middle circle that middle area right in the middle where they cross over, that's where people can Thrive, not just survive during emergencies. That's a thriving list, that's We're starting to teach people is not not the negative side or preparing, but the positive, the thrival is. So I just purchased the rivals.com and we're going to be creating a whole new wording in the industry called thriving lists, so that we can teach people to get the right supplies and the right skills, okay?

1:25:50 And in the reason skills are so important is because think about it. What if you did get, you know, seven ten years worth of supplies, you have tons of supplies and all of a sudden that there's something that happens and you lose. Is all your supplies okay? You can't take away your Knowledge and Skills, right? If you have Knowledge and Skills, okay, you can walk through TSA with Knowledge and Skills. You might not be able to bring all your supplies but through TSA. They can't take that away from you, so you have to have both sides, okay? And hopefully you never lose your supplies, but if you do at least, you have some Knowledge and Skills to back it up. So that's the thing. Those thrival is that's we're going to be teaching people how to do is be thriving list and that's where we're going to be introducing in this. Big preparedness challenge that's coming up pretty soon so I'll hopefully get that link to you, to help you out.

1:26:35 But anyways, I can go in a whole bunch of directions. You want me to teach in the five days of challenge. I'm going to go in depth into the seven steps of preparedness. Would you like me to touch on those seven steps? Right now, let's just touch on them. I don't want you to give anything away so to speak, you know what I mean? Because I am a capitalist so I'm not but if you could go on for hours on each step and not give a ton of way because I have have I spent over 3,000 hours putting together a course for people to be able to do preparedness and and there's so much material. I could I could give a ton of material. Its let's we're already at the two-hour Mark, let's let's go ahead and let's let's touch on those seven. Right.

1:27:19 Let's just kind of make a list and maybe what I'll do is as I edit this and get it ready, I'll also go ahead and list. Those seven steps for people on credit. And then we'll have your link there and they can go to that link and and get the get the full story so to speak. But let's just hit those seven real quick Marcelo. Yeah, let's do it. So what happens is when it comes to preparedness, there's about four, four sections, in my course, that everybody covers. I added three more that weren't there and I still put it all in. 72, people say, to me all you can't put all your steps in seven steps. I'm like, absolutely you can and I'll give you the logic, why. So let's start with the first one. The first one is a proper. A proper risk assessment.

1:28:01 So what I mean by proper risk assessment, is that in? And you can put just number one risk assessment if you want to or proper with risk assessment, either way. But what I mean by that is when I speak at all these big groups, I ask people, what are you preparing for? And what kind of answers do I get? Oh, a large earthquake. I'm preparing for her cream. I'm preparing for emt-p, Attack on preparing for food, shortages, and preparing, for inflation. And preparing the tell me all these things, and that's what most Most people do, that's where people stop. They stopped. Okay. The truth is they have no clue what they're preparing for still because I can say, okay, what was it EMP attack due to Refrigeration? What is the due to Transportation? One of the MP attack due to the mentality of people in an area? What does EMP attack due to the large power Transformers? How often how long do they need before? Those can be repaired or replaced. How long before a It starts breaking out you know, 72 hours right?

1:29:06 Three meals yeah, how long, how long before bad people start doing bad things to good people? You know what happens during an EP and then you know the question earthquake. Okay. So what's the difference between a 5.0 and 7.0 earthquake in your area? Like, we live in Utah right now, where you live, where I just moved out of, by the way, is is in where my store is? Is an ancient lake bed. You don't move out because you're afraid and all that stuff. You move out of the spirit tells you to which is what happened to me, okay? You stay there. If you're supposed to stay there, you know, even if you're going to die, you just follow the spirit, it doesn't matter. But what happens is in that ancient lake bed when I Was preparing for emergencies? I thought, well, if I'm going to teach people to do a proper risk assessment, which in my course, I actually compile all the information, like, 80% of the information. So people don't have to do all the work. I had to do, teach people what to do, you know? Like this is, I'm going to do the risk assessment for you and then you have % to do it on your own because I don't live where you live.

1:30:05 So what I did is I ended up learning a ton about earthquakes. Like what is the point 5.0? What's the 7.0? What's the 10.0? You know, words been the words the largest earthquake that ever happened? What did you do? How did it whether to do around the area? How did it, what did it do for tsunamis? Like what? What where are the best worst places in the United States for earthquakes? And, you know, you can people say, California, I go. No, where's the California's? Oregon the coast of Oregon and watching that, you know, Utah's really bad to me. West is really bad. You have all these different places that people don't even know about because they're just not aware of it. And so I ended up studying about earthquakes and I put all that in my course, by the way, the stuff I studied I'd passed on to other people. But what's interesting is I ended up calling the state.

1:30:47 I called local like you know, the school board's utilities started asking questions to find out what it is locally for me in this is what I found out because Utah Valley or Salt Lake. Valley is an ancient seabed, it's full of sand. If that's a Starship Ting, there's a lot of water underneath and we're going to have liquefaction, it's going to flood a lot of places. Okay, what are you going to come up from the ground? Okay, worse than that is a lot of the valley has addict and Antiquated a water pipes, like clay pipes, and they don't stretch them out until they break, okay? So what happens is when they break, they replace them but a lot of the water, mains, the the water mains, go across the fault lines.

1:31:29 Those are going to break. How do you fix 70,000 pipe? It's in one week. You can't you can't. And the state is preparing for several of the city's in Salt Lake to be without water for 12 months. Sure. But how do you bring, how do you bring enough water in tank tankers, when the roads are damaged, when there's a million people needing water every day. How do you do it? You know, and the thing about it is is difficult, you can't, you gotta choose your battles and in. So I teach people, here's how you do water, the right way to be able to prepare for that. And there's a really easy way to It doesn't have to be hard but you can you can handle years of not having running water from the city. If you know what to do, if you know, the right things to do. Now, that's a risk assessment.

1:32:12 If you know your risks, if you know, you can be without water for 12 months, your preparation is going to be different if you didn't know what. If you didn't know that. You'd be different than if you didn't know that, right? So a proper risk, assessment is the first step to preparedness. The second step is setting the emergency preparedness because once, you know your risks, you got to understand there's long-term emergencies their short-term emergency. Vertices. So sudden emergency preparedness has to do with your 72 or 96 or 120 our kit right? Where you put it on your back and you head out. But most people don't, most people think that if they got their emergency grab-and-go kit, they're totally ready for emergencies. The dumb thing is most people haven't looked at the majority of the of the emergencies in the world. Nobody leaves their home, right?

1:32:55 You very very rarely used that 72-hour kid, 96, our kid. You rarely very rarely use it. So it's a good thing to have. You should have your car kit, like I do you still have your 72-hour kit like I do, you should have your fire kits, you know. And if you're on second-story your you should have your ladders. You should have everything to get out. I'm a fire fire fighter. I understand how dangerous it can be. Okay, you should have your fire kit. Okay, that's not bad. You should have all that stuff but that's just the beginning of preparedness. But sudden emergency preparedness not only has to do with your grab-and-go kid, but it has to do with emergency plans. Like what do you do if there's a 7.0 earthquake at 2:00 in the morning in the middle of winter? ER, at 7 degrees outside. What do you do? How do you do that?

1:33:35 How do you handle it with your little kids and everything else? What do you do? So that's your plans. And and luckily I teach what to do you for the most part in my courses and then I have people create their own plans, right? And then you gotta practice those plans at least once, right? You got it. You got it, take your plans, get your family together. And say, if there were 7.0 earthquake, Let's Pretend at 2:00 in the morning and everybody get in bed and go to sleep. And then I'm going to shake the What do you do? You know and then they all practice. They end up curling curling in a ball on their beds with a pillow over their head until the shaking stops enough that they can get to a place of safety, right? And so they learn what to do because they practice it. Well, you need to do that for three to five minutes or emergencies that are sudden, emergencies not long-term like an EP or anything but sudden emergencies, okay. And you got to be ready for sudden emergencies. If you need to get out, stay there, whatever it is. That's not number two, number three is water. Okay?

1:34:32 Now water is super portable important, and you could put down water preparedness. That's a better way to put number three. What? A lot of people don't understand the rules of three, right? You can live three seconds, you can die in 3 seconds without hope. Right. You can shoot yourself or whatever else you can, die three seconds without error. You can go 33 minutes without without sorry 3 minutes 3 seconds without hope three minutes without air three hours without heat. Okay, three days. Without Water, three weeks without food and 33 months without human interaction, right? You can go crazy. So so those were rules of three, that three days without water is more important than three weeks without food.

1:35:16 So I teach all about water and then I get to food and food is probably the biggest part of my courses is food because there's so much to food. They're short term food storage, long-term food storage growing food, or replacing your food, preserving your food, all these different things that have to do with food. And so that's just As a whole huge section and that's prep step number four. Because seven step, the fourth step is number is food preparedness. Then you get to the fifth step, which is meet your other needs now, people say, well, you can't put that all in one step and, you know, heating sanitation, communication, all these different things are all in one step. They said, you can't put that in one step because all of those are, you know, could be the difference between life and death.

1:36:01 And I said yeah, listen. My words just said meet your other needs, okay? You need these things or else you could die, if you didn't have them, but they all go in one step. And the reason they go in one step is because they're there is a psyche that comes with food and water. That doesn't come with the other ones I could, I could Jimmy rigged almost everything in the other needs shelter, you know, sanitation. All this stuff. I can Jimmy rigged if I needed to, okay, but I can Jimmy rig food and water. Sure, yeah, in those are needed. So, So, so in emergency food and water is your, is your comfort. And that's that's where you panic. If you don't have it, the other stuff you have time to figure out, but food and water.

1:36:43 If you don't have it you panic and maybe toilet paper after 2020, I would add toilet paper to that but that list and I'm totally kidding. But well, that's funny. You should bring that up because I have, I have a friend who is a psychologist and I asked him about this. I was like Toilet paper, explain the run on toilet paper. He said, he said, well, he said, I looked at this and there's two things. One is is like using toilet paper, that's one of those things. You're like, okay, that separates us from the Savages, right from the animals. The other thing is, is that because toilet paper takes up a huge spice space on a shelf, right? It doesn't take long for that to go Bear, right? Because really, there's only like seven packages on a shelf. So, Because people were buying it and the Shelf was empty even though there were some in the back, it was creating this perceived scarcity issue and so people just saw the bear shelf, it was like there's no more and so then they went in the back and they got all that and they thought I better buy a, you know, six of them now because there's a scarcity on the Shelf. So yeah, yeah, the whole mentality. If everybody started grabbing grabbing Tomatoes everybody else would grab tomatoes.

1:37:56 Because they're like why is everybody grabbing tomatoes? Yep, somebody started staring up in the sky and pointing everybody would stop and start staring up in the sky, you know, that's like people follow people, right? They don't they don't have the logic sometimes but again, going back to the preparedness side of this. Why not get it ahead of time, right? Why don't buy white? Why not buy for a dollar today than $10 tomorrow? Yep right. Why don't you get a cheap while it's cheap and just store it up? Toilet paper isn't gonna go bad. Yeah so why don't you just get a bunch of it, right? Yep. So let's now meet your other needs to step. Number five, meet your other needs again. Our needs. You need them, but it's a whole different psyche, then food and water. Which those are the most important things for emergency preparedness, food and water, or the most important thing for long-term. Emergency period.

1:38:41 Does that make sense? Yep, absolutely does. Now we're going to get to is prep step number six or number six preparedness step that is when the nobody really talks about in their preparedness course. There's very few people talk about it. And so number six is maintaining your standard of living That's where I talk about silver. That's why I talk about buying extra supplies. That's where I talk about, you know, rainy day funds or talk about trading because in all reality, in fact, I'll give you a little insight. People say well, how would what would I trade during an emergency and it's really simple. What do you, what do you need to survive during an emergency? All the stuff I teach in preps steps number 1 through 6, right? All the stuff I talked to talk about that that you should store up are the same things that other people are going to need during an emergency. So if you need it, they need it.

1:39:27 So if you buy extra, if you buy extra great and guess what, you can trade it during an emergency because other people are going to need it. Also, it's not complicated to figure out what you should store up to trade. So it's really easy. Now that's number six and I going to hold how to maintain your standard of living because it doesn't make sense to have a whole you know, room full of supplies and everything else but then you get kicked out of your house and you're on the street and where do you put your stuff right you know you got to know how to protect your standard of living And so the last thing is is number seven, preparation set of number. Seven is helping others. Prepare, if, if you don't help others prepare, you're in trouble and you're only as prepared as your neighbors are, if your house is the only one on the street that has the lights on. If your house is the only one on the street where your kids are fat and happy and laughing and playing and everybody else is suffering and dying.

1:40:21 Okay, if your house is the only one with food on the table, okay? It's not going to be long before people start saying it's not fair, you have food in my kids are dying, right? People. Go crazy. Yeah. You know who's going to go crazy, you might think, you know, your neighbor, you might think they're two commas kindest, most charitable person in the world, but you haven't seen them under pressure yet. You haven't seen them in a place where they're desperate and where they have to choose between your kids or their character, or their kids, right? And see, here's the sad thing. We see, we saw it. We, it's not like we haven't had and warning shots across the bow on this. Yeah, that guy I was telling you about with Katrina, he said, it took three meals.

1:41:02 And that's the average American family. Yep. Any family is about three meals away from being without food. Yeah. And this is his words, not mine. In three days, you saw the veneer of civilization ripped away from an entire Metroplex in New Orleans, three days. Three months. 72 hours away from a riot. Yep. Yep. It doesn't take long. The average American family is not prepared to take some abuse as far as an emergency. We're just not You're absolutely right. That's the seven steps.

1:41:44 I mean I can go on literally for hours like we did but um no you're good. I had no clue about two hours already. That's that's amazing to me. Yeah I go. It goes quick. You. Let's let's do this before. We wrap up tell me about the challenge coming up. Tell my listeners where they can go to, to find that challenge. And also, I will post the link. When I release this podcast on me, I'll get you a link. It's a five-day preparedness challenge. I'll get you a link so you can Put it on there. You know, it's a preparedness challenge.com, but I'm going to get you a link so you can have it. So just click on the link wherever you post it, and that'll go right to the right page. We're still finishing up the programming of it. We should be done, probably hopefully this next week, so I'll get you that and it should work just perfectly fine if there's any problems, it's right for me and let me know, but it should be working perfectly fine. I'm going to be teaching for five days. I'm going to teach people how to do the 7 steps of preparedness. I gave you a little taste of it, but To go more in depth on each one.

1:42:43 So people understand a ton of stuff. My goal is to help 10,000 families, get prepared. That's my big goal right now. This has become a mission of mine. Remember I told you, I'm not Money Motivated, right? Is something for me. I really can care less, but I love helping people and I love projects. And so right now, we've been gearing up in my warehouse, on my buy, new equipment, to be able to do millions of cans of food and you want cans of food, right? And by the way, you don't want mylar pouches and all that stuff won't cans of food. That's been Best way to go. And so we spend the money for cans because that's right way to do it. And so we're gearing up on with millions of dollars worth of food to be able to prepare for this challenge right now, in the goal, is to be able to help a ton of families. 10,000 families, get prepared within 90 days each, okay.

1:43:27 And so that starts with this, with this five day challenge, where I teach them what to do, okay? And then I tell them what products to get, then I give them discounts on the products so they can save money. I do all the stuff to be able to help the families. Get preparedness. My goal is in the next year to be able Look back and know that I helped help, 10,000 families, get prepared. And hopefully, those 10,000 families. Even if I see Zero money from it, help another 10,000 help, another 10,000 help, another 10,000. And hopefully, there's a ripple effect that that touches millions and millions of people to help them prepare for emergencies. All right. Well, but that that's it, I'll give you. I'll give you some information. My goal is to literally literally helped out a ton of people. I've got a bunch of my team is gearing up for this to be able to answer questions help people.

1:44:12 That's our goal. We feel like some really, really, really tough times. You're going to be coming and and my mission, my personal mission, my full-time personal mission is to help as many good families as I can, to prepare for the tough times that are coming and for the return of Jesus Christ. Which again, it's the great and terrible, right? The good and the bad right? When we got her for both. And and that's physically spiritually in always, right? Let's be part of the five virgins, not the other five right now, absolutely, I've ever read. And just one little more point. I was reading through adjustment Matthew just recently, and it's interesting, it talks about the good serving, the evil servant the difference between the two is a good servant prepared people surveyed. Yep.

1:44:54 And so whether that's spiritually, physically, whatever it is. Let's be part of the five. Absolutely. So before we go, I just want to recap here. So people know where to go and what to do, go to Mormon Renegade.com, or if you listen on anchor or whatever it is, you're listening on, go to the sewed. Number 42, let's get prepared with Marcelo sir, jobless at the bottom of the description of this podcast is a link, click on that link, and that will take you to the sign up page for the 5-day preparedness course, for 17 dollars, you get all five days with Marcelo where he breaks down these principles of being prepared. Now, you can also sign up for a different option, which is forty, seven dollars, which gives you the ability to receive the audio and visual recording of the five-day preparedness course. And Also an extra Q&A session with Marcela. So you can pick the brain of an expert Marcelo. You're a rock star.

1:45:48 I so enjoyed having you on them. I'd love to have you back on again and I tell all my guests. If you've been on, once you got a standing invitation to come back on, anytime you want you just need to let me know and we'll make the time but I yeah, absolutely folks. Something is coming, I can't tell you exactly what it is when it's going to get here. But something's coming spend the time. Now to prepare what Christmas is right around the corner and I have adult children and I don't get them crap any longer, right? It's I give them food storage stuff. I give them things that, that can last the thing, Marcello's talking about with these courses and preparing, that is perfect.

1:46:37 Get your loved one. Something that can sustain them Marcelo. I can't tell you how much I appreciate you being here. Let's do this again sooner than later. That'd be awesome. Awesome, Let's help more families. Let's do that. Absolutely, let's do that. Alright, bye everybody.