Episode #221: Having Our Feet In The Gospel Of Peace W/Joni Molloy

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Joni, how's it going?
Wonderful.

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How are you, Dave?
I'm I'm doing better now, but

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there for a hot minute I was
pretty sleep but deprived, I'm

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not going to lie.
And as a guy who hasn't had a

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baby in the house in 20 years,
pushing 20 years, it was like it

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took me a hot minute to get to
get those, to put that hat back

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on, so to speak.
But it's going good now.

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In fact, I don't get much chance
to hold the little guy as much

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as I thought because I'm sharing
in between Amber and Tanya.

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So it's.
Yeah, No, but no.

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It's good.
It's going good.

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Blessed.
I'm.

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I'm very blessed.
Oh.

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Yeah, so blessed.
That's so fun.

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Yep, Yep.
How are you guys doing?

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We're doing well, yeah, Corey's
under the weather, but besides

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that, pretty good.
I think everybody's under the

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weather right now.
Everybody OK, bring him here.

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Bring him here.
Shameless.

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Plug this.
Is all for ratings.

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This is all for ratings.
Hello sweet little baby.

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Hi, baby.
Asher, he's a little milk trunk

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at the moment, but he's he's
doing OK.

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Right, He's not where they, he's
not seeing anything beyond a

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little bit of light yet, so.
No, no, he's yeah, he, he, he

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eats and and he gets to that,
that phase where he just wants

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to sleep now.
So which is nice.

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He, he is a good sleeper.
We have that going for us.

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So he he enjoys his sleep, so
has not yet developed his old

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man's tendency to stay up at all
hours of the night researching

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obscure things and stalking
away, knowledge that can only be

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useful on Jeopardy.
We're on a podcast.

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We're we're.
On a podcast, right, right,

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right.
Yeah, No, it's true.

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It's true.
So someday I'm sure he'll listen

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to all these episodes after I'm
long gone and been like, man,

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the old man had some thoughts
but not sure they were good ones

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so.
Oh no.

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But anyway, no good stuff.
So, so you have the the gospel

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of peace, right?
Yeah, feet shot in preparation

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for the Gospel of peace.
But I have a few addendums for

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Corey's, which was the
breastplate of righteousness.

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Yeah, let's.
Do it.

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So he wanted me to share some of
my thoughts.

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He didn't get to.
He talked a lot about meekness

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and since his is going to come
out before mine, we'll just kind

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of add on to that meekness and
compassion, having a pure heart.

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And he wanted to share some of
the talk of Brad Wilcox, his

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most famous talk, the the one on
grace.

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And we were talking about that
talk and he wanted me to share

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my thoughts on it.
And it starts out, if you

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remember, where the girl comes
into his office and he's

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retelling how she's like, you
know, I keep trying, but I mess

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up and I keep messing up.
And, you know, there's that

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scripture in in Nephi that talks
about we're saved by grace after

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all we can do, but I can't even
do much, you know?

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So I'm really fail failing here.
And he says, well, draw a lot.

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I'm gonna draw a dot.
Here's Jesus and here's you.

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How much do you think you're
doing and how much do you think

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he's doing?
And so he kind of elaborates on

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that story saying, you know,
she's like, I knew I wasn't

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doing enough.
And he's like, no, really.

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It's more like the piano
analogy.

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Your parents pay for the piano
lessons not because they want

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you to ever pay them back, but
because they want you to become

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a piano player.
And their only joy is that you

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learn to play the piano.
And I was saying, well, for

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those of us who had parents who
gave us piano lessons and we

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kind of drag our feet on
practicing, that still just

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doesn't capture the change of
heart that we're supposed to

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have.
And so I said, I feel like it's

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more like somebody paid off your
mortgage.

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Like, how would you feel if that
person came back and asked you

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to do anything?
You'd be like, drop everything.

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I'm going to do it.
And I guess later last year, he

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was on a podcast and was sharing
his Grace is sufficient topic

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more and he compared it to like
getting a scholarship.

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You know, you you get a
scholarship, but that doesn't

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mean you don't do the work.
And so that was one thing that

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we were talking about that Corey
wanted me to share about on.

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That, you know, it's such an
interesting thing, right?

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And as I've looked at it,
sometimes we get beat up by our,

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our sectarian Christian brothers
and sisters because they say

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that we, we, we say grace really
isn't a thing, right?

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And it's, it's somewhat
interesting in that it that's

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not necessarily true, right?
And I think it's, I think where,

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where the hang up gets to Joni
is that for Mormons, there is

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saved and then there's
exaltation, right?

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And where's there is no doubt
that grace plays a huge part of

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that salvatic portion, portion
of that, right, That being able

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to be saved.
Exaltation's a different animal

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though, right?
Exaltation is, is our covenants

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between US and God, right?
And that's what's going to

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dictate where we land in that
exaltation sphere, right?

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And so oftentimes I've looked at
it, especially when I'm talking

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to, to, to different types of
Christians who are, who do you

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put that heavy emphasis on
grace?

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I'm like, no, we, I, I
understand that we can't get to

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exaltation without, without
salvation, right?

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It's just part of it.
It would like it would be trying

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to drive a car with everything
except a motor, right?

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You're just not going to go
anywhere.

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Now, once, once you have the
motor, you can do some things,

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but until you have that, there's
not much.

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And so, so often I've looked at
that and I thought about that a

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lot when I first heard, heard
Brad Wilcox talk, Gosh, probably

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the better part 10 years ago
now, if I'm not mistaken, where

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I was like, well, he's not
necessarily wrong.

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And sometimes I think it's
helpful to to show the dichotomy

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there right, between salvation
and exaltation, because they are

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two different things, especially
in the Mormon lexicon.

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Right.
And when I moved to Utah, I

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started to understand how
important that topic was to

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specifically to the culture
within Utah because there is a

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big perfectionist culture there.
And like Curry talked about on

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his podcast, being perfect in
the Hebrew sense is that it's

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complete or it's whole.
A good analogy is like, nobody

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looks at an acorn in the ground
and says, gosh, why aren't you a

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tree yet, you know?
And nobody looks at the sapling

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and says, why aren't you a
mighty oak, You know, it's like

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it's perfect in the stage that
it's at, and that kind of shows

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the progression as to how you
get to where you're going.

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And that perfection doesn't mean
what we think it means.

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Anyway, those are some of my
attendance.

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Absolutely.
And I'm glad that you stayed

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away from the piano analogy
because look, I'm a guy who's

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not musically inclined at all.
Like if, if, if music, you know,

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if my ability to play music was
tied to anything salvatic or,

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you know, of salvation or
exaltation, I'd be up Creek.

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It was so bad.
Like I remember I was in Junior.

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This is horrible.
I was in junior high and I had,

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I had they, they made you take
either like 1 semester of like

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choir or the band or whatever.
Well, I already knew I couldn't

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sing.
That was out the window, right?

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So my next best hope was like an
instrument, right?

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And I'm playing the Cuba and I
am maybe, maybe 4 weeks into

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the, into the semester and the,
the band teacher, he's like,

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hey, after, after class, I'm
going to talk to you for a

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minute.
I'm like, sure.

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And class gets over and he goes,
are you enjoying this?

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And I'm like, not so much.
And he's like, I'm glad because

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this is not your thing.
You should get this over with

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and never, ever do it again.
And like what some some people

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may have been like, well, that
was horrible.

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I actually respected it.
I'm like, thank you for pointing

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that out because yeah, no, this
is not great.

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So I'm glad that the music
analogy was was out the window

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and they went with the mortgage.
I think that's way better.

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So it's a little less close to
home for Dave.

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Right, right.
Anyway, so mine's feet shot in

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preparation for the gospel of
peace.

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And so the first thing that
stood out to me is, you know,

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you're supposed to put on the
full armor of God so you can

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withstand the Wiles of the
devil, and your feet will be

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shod with the preparation for
the gospel of peace.

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And so the first thing that
stood out is that's kind of a

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contradiction, right?
We're preparing for battle while

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we're preparing for peace.
And so we're told a lot that

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contentions of the devil, and I
think sometimes we misunderstand

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a little bit of what contention
is.

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I was pretty active in politics,
so I understand how to agree,

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agree, disagree agreeably a
little bit more than some people

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do because I was a paid
activist.

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So, you know, I had to be in the
fight.

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And it was kind of fun.
I liked it actually.

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So how do we arm ourselves for a
fight while we're also preparing

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for peace?
And DNC 18, you know, mentions

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the worth of souls.
And it that interestingly, in

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verse 20, it says contend
against no church but the Church

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of the devil.
So that's one thing that we know

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about contention actually is
that there is a time to contend.

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And DNC 10 also tells us not to
contend specifically with each

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other on points of doctrine.
And I thought, well, that's very

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interesting.
You know, how often do we get

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caught up in this?
Well, I'm right and you're

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wrong.
Instead of trying to let some

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things go that maybe don't
matter at the moment and try and

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find unity in Zion. 100%, I
think, I think you're really on

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to some stuff there, right?
Right, so.

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One of the sorry I hit, I hit my
mic and it accidentally turned

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it off.
You can hear me OK, right?

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No, I can.
Yes.

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OK, perfect.
One of the things I thought

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about as I first went through
that scripture was your legs and

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your feet are pretty important,
right?

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Like if we were to look at like,
oh, going back to athletics,

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right?
I remember as as a as an

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offensive lineman, one of the
things we were taught is you

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never let your feet stop moving
ever.

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Your feet always move.
The other thing was is that when

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when we went to train
specifically for our position,

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it was a lot of legs, right?
We did a lot of like being

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explosive, being able to have
that good base because as go

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your legs goes the fight, right?
If your legs can't hold up, who

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knows.
And so the the other thing that

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jumped out to me and you
mentioned it right with with

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preparing for peace at the same
time you're preparing for war.

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Sometimes I ask the question
will peace for who, peace for my

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adversary or peace for me,
right?

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Like there is a certain piece
that comes when you feel like

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you're prepared, right?
I, I really feel like that that

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that that's you're, you're
really on to something there.

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Right.
And actually that's I love the

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topical guide.
So that was where my mind went

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first.
I said, well, I want to read all

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the scriptures on peace.
And I thought first this has got

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to be about faith and action and
all of those good things.

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But actually the scriptures
about feet are more about stand

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firm.
So let's see.

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So stand there for having your
loin skirt with about with truth

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and having on the breastpate of
rice righteousness.

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Even that scripture prior to the
feet shod one says to stand firm

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and then and your feet shod with
the preparation of the gospel of

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feast feet, peace, goodness.
And yeah.

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So there's a couple of
scriptures about feet, you know,

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that we're probably familiar
with.

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Some, you know, stand in holy
places, be not moved.

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But when I was looking in kind
of the Old Testament, it also

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has to do with dominion.
You know, Thou made us him to

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have dominion over the works of
thy hands.

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Thou put all things under his
feet, Speaking of the the Lord,

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and the earth is his footstool.
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before the Lord at judgment day.
So and then we have a King

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Nebuchadnezzar's dream, where at
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which Daniel interprets as the
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they're made of both clay, some
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then some strong like iron.
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the stone cut out of the
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and fill the earth and the
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You know, that time when Christ
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the earth.
But yeah, the feat actually was

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more about dominion and standing
firm and strong, which is kind

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of quite pertinent to the last
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prophecies.
You know, it says that things

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are going to get pretty rough
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I love American history, and I
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So you're probably familiar with
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He was ambassador to France for
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would write these wonderful
letters, his wife, Abigail

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Adams.
And so one of his letters he

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writes here, he talks about how,
gosh, I'm surrounded by this

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beautiful architecture, these
gardens and everything in Paris.

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I wish I had time to, you know,
go and explore and describe them

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to you.
But my heart's too anxious

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because I must study war and
politics so that my children can

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study the things of peace,
architecture, art, mathematics

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and music and all of that.
And that always just really

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touched me.
You know, it shows the sacrifice

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of those, you know, not just the
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who is given a time of life, of
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Yeah, I, you know, it, it's
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You should bring that up because
since Asher has been born, I've

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thought a lot about why I do the
things I do.

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Gosh, now we're going to get
into, like, Dave's

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psychoanalysis.
So forgive me here, but I, I sat

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there and I, I, I was holding
them and I thought, man, I got

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to go now tear off and I got to
go back to work, right?

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And I got to go, go do the
podcast and it stopped.

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Like everything in me would be
perfectly content.

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Let me rephrase that.
I think I could be content for a

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little while just being
anonymous, hanging out, holding

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my baby, loving my wives, doing
my temple work.

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I would be totally OK with that
for a while.

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But I don't think that's the
time I live in.

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And this applies to my other
kids as well as Asher, but I

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think Asher is new enough that,
and he's my first child born in

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in fundamentalism.
And there was a renewed sense of

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fight in my bones, in my gut
that fired right back up that I

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thought had made me waned a
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And I was like, no, I'm not done
kicking indoors.

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We're, we're just getting
started because I don't ever

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want to have to have my son live
in the shadows, right?

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I'll tear down whatever wall,
I'll take off any door off of

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its hinges, whatever I got to
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And so before where I was
starting to feel a little bit, I

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won't say tired, but maybe a
little bit worn down Now I'm

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feeling like, oh, I'm just
getting started.

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And somewhere somebody just had
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'cause they're like, no, I'm
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Anyway, I, I don't think those
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right now, right?
It's been a beautiful year.

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And in some ways it's been a
weird year.

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As you know, I'm older now than
my dad was when he passed away,

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right?
That was weird, right?

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And the whole time expecting a
baby, that was weird.

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And then when Charlie Kirk went
down, got assassinated, I felt

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like there was a seismic shift
in things.

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And if you're going to stand,
it's going, it's going to incur

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wrath.
It's the only way.

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It's going to be something that
ties into that a little bit.

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I was when, when Amber and I
went back east, there were so

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many things I was showing this
time around, like when I first

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got the prompting, hey, you got
to go back east and you got to

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look at some stuff again.
I thought, man, I lived back

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there, right?
I've seen it.

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I've seen it all at least two
dozen times.

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But no, I got to go back and I
remember I was in Independence

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Hall there in Philadelphia, and
we were really fortunate that

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there was an Eagles game.
So it actually was pretty quiet

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that day, right?
We were there on a Sunday.

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And so I was just sitting in
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You know, I could see
Washington's chair where he said

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that, which is the only original
piece of furniture that's in

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there.
There's period pieces in there

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that come from the same time.
But the only documented piece of

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furniture that was there during
the Constitutional convention is

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Washington's chair.
And I was sitting there and, and

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I was just like, father, what?
What is it I'm supposed to take

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away here?
I do not understand.

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Show me.
And I got the prompting to read

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the deck, the Declaration of
Independence and.

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That first line jumped out at
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We hold these truths to be
self-evident and it it dawned on

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me.
Speaking truth in a time when

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society is coming undone is a
revolutionary act.

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And I think we are there right I
think.

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I think it now falls to men and
women of Christ to be steadfast

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and immovable, to plant your
feet and in some ways get real

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uncomfortable with being
uncomfortable because I don't

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think it's going to get easier
from this point forward.

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I agree 100%.
And I kind of felt that shift in

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2020 myself.
And for the first time, you

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know, I've been so engaged in
politics for the first time, it

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kind of was a, a shift in
there's not going to be a

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politician to come and save us
from ourselves.

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And I'm going to get more into
that a little bit.

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But first, when I was looking up
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that was the other word that
stuck out.

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So I went to the topical guide
and browsed through all the

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peace scriptures.
You know, when that stuck out as

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Matthew 1034, think not that I
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I am not to send peace, but a
sword where Christ is talking

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and then he describes all these
horrible scenes at the last

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days.
And this is in response to the

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question of, you know, what's it
going to be like at the last

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days?
Being hated by all men.

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Fear not those who killed the
body, only the soul.

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If you deny me before men, I
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Your own household, your father,
sister, mother, brother will be

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against you.
And those who will not take up

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their cross aren't worthy of
Savior, you know, So I just

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thought that was really, really,
you know, some of these

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scriptures kind of hit really
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And then DNC 135.
I have a lot of scriptures, so

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I'm going to look down at notes
a lot too.

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For I.
Am no respecter persons, and

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will that all men shall know
that the day speedily cometh the

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hour is not yet, but is not at
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When peace shall be taken from
the earth, and the devil shall

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have power over his own
dominion.

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And you know that's what the
temple says as well about

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dominion.
And interesting that we're going

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back to this word dominion, when
the feet, you know, we're

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supposed to stand firm and yet
the devil is going to have a

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season of dominion on the earth
that we have to face.

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And like you said, like man, the
I wish I weren't born in these

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times, but I was also.
That's kind of the the quote

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that came to mind from I love
the Fellowship of the Rings, The

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Lord of the Rings.
And Frodo says I wish it need

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not have happened in my time.
And Gandalf the Wise replies, so

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do I and so do all who live to
see such times.

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But it is not for them to
decide.

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All we have to decide is what to
do with the time given us.

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And I just thought that was
really, really powerful, 100%.

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We were sitting here talking.
One of the things that occurred

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to me maybe one of the first
scriptures that have to do with

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with the feet.
Is in the Garden of Eden.

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Right, we go to the old and
testaments in the Pearl.

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Great price.
You know what's what?

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What is it that the Lord tells
the adversary you're you'll have

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power to bruise his heel, but
he'll have power to crush your

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head, right?
That will be the instrument by

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which you just finish it, right.
And, and it's interesting when

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we talk about standing right,
it's not necessarily marching

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off to war more as it is just
planting yourself like a tree or

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a rock and being like, no, you
move, I'm not moving.

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This is this is holy ground.
You can move around me, but I'm

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not moving.
Right.

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Absolutely.
So the other thing that came up

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that surprised me actually.
Was.

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Mark 950, it says salt is good,
but if the salt have lost it,

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his saltness, where, wherein
will you season it?

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Have salt in yourselves and have
peace one with another.

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And I thought, well, that's
interesting.

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What does salt have to do with
peace, you know, And what does

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it mean to salt ourselves,
really?

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So apparently in a Google search
and from other Scriptorians, not

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myself, salt is a symbol of
loyalty, purity, and an enduring

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covenant.
And that's not LDS, that's just

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Bible scholars.
So that was really interesting

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in it referenced in Second Kings
chapter 2, Elisha heals the

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poisonous spring in Jericho with
salt.

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And the Arabs in those countries
to eat a meal together is a

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symbol of friendship.
You know, they have put a high

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value on hospitality.
And so as the Arabs would say,

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if you sit down to eat together,
they would say there's salt

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between US.
And then as I looked more into

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this.
Salt was required.

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For the meat offering.
So you may have heard this

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before, but I don't know if I
have.

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So in Leviticus 213 it says in
every oblation of thy meat

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offering shalt thou season with
salt.

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Neither shalt thou suffer the
salt of the covenant of thy God

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to be lacking from thy meat
offering.

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With all thine offerings, thou
shalt offer salt.

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And I thought that.
Was really fascinating 'cause I

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hadn't realized all of the
scriptures about salt kind of

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reference back to the fact that
he's talking to the covenant

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people who are commanded to give
the best offering that they have

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to the Lord and to salt it.
Absolutely.

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And what's interesting too, if
I'm not mistaken, Correct me if

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I'm wrong here, Joni, 'cause I
can usually remember what I

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read, but I can't remember
always where I read it.

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If I'm not mistaken, it tells
you what happens to that salt if

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it loses its savour.
It's cast out and trodden under

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foot, right?
Like there's, there's some

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imagery there that that's
interesting.

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But I, I want, I want to stay
there with that right Because.

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With the salt thing 'cause I.
Think it's it's super important.

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As you were reading through
that, what was your take away

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from that then?
I mean, as you read through

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those scriptures, what pops out
at you?

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What's what's the big take away
there?

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Well, what came?
To my mind.

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And I'm going to get to, I
actually have those scriptures

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about the salt losing its, its
savour and being trodden under

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the feet of men.
So which also has feet in it.

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So I'll get to those in just a
second because the first thing

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that popped into my mind was the
the fact that it's a symbol of

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purity, loyalty and an enduring
covenant.

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And one of my favorite books is
Mark Twain's least known book of

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all time.
He wrote a book about Joan of

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Arc called Recollections of Joan
of Arc.

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And it's it's her page from her
pages perspective.

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And so it's historical fiction.
And here's what he said about

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this book.
On his 73rd birthday and just a

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year and a half before his
death, Mark Twain declared I

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like Joan of Arc best of all my
books.

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And it is the best I.
Know it perfectly well and

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besides, it furnished me 7 times
the pleasure afforded me by any

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of the others. 12 years of
preparation and two years of

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writing.
The others needed no preparation

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and got none.
And I thought, wow, that's

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really fascinating.
He spent 12 years writing this

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book and nobody even knows he
really wrote it.

446
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,400
We're all you know.
He's famous for Huckleberry Finn

447
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:38,240
and and Tom Sawyer, and this one
is really different than all of

448
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,880
his other books.
It doesn't have the same humor

449
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,440
laced into everything.
He's not poking fun at anyone.

450
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,640
He has a deep respect for her
and it just flows through the

451
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,040
pages in the story.
He described her as the most

452
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,320
noble life that was ever born,
save only one.

453
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:02,160
Of course, you know Jesus.
And he also noted that Joan of

454
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,480
Arc's the only person in all of
recorded history at the age of

455
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,600
17, male or female, to lead an
entire army.

456
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,480
What stood out to me in this
book is what she did with the

457
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,360
soldiers.
They were completely loyal to

458
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,720
her.
So the, the Prince is kind of a

459
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:25,280
coward and he's gone into hiding
and she rallies all these, you

460
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,320
know, all the troops and these
men more than twice her age.

461
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,360
And this is war.
These are harsh men.

462
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:37,800
And what she does is, you know,
armies at that time and maybe

463
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,840
all times have like prostitutes
following the camp and, and it's

464
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:47,360
kind of a rough scene, you know,
and, and so she says, no, we're

465
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,120
not going to if, if God's on our
side, we can't have this.

466
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,240
And so she makes them clean up
their language.

467
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,800
She kicks out the prostitutes
and you know, it's really

468
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:01,080
fascinating because they're so
loyal that they did all that, at

469
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,520
least the the superiors, you
know, I don't know how the the

470
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:09,160
rank members felt about about
her about it, but we know that,

471
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,280
you know, the other officers
absolutely respected and

472
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,880
enforced that level of purity
that she required of them.

473
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,960
There was no prostitutes.
There was no foul language.

474
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:26,840
And she really said, hey, if
we're going to do what God

475
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,320
intends us to do and save
France, then we've got to get

476
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,200
our act together.
And they did, they followed her

477
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,600
and they, they did.
It's really a beautiful story.

478
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,880
But that part stood out because
of the purity, loyalty, and an

479
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,280
enduring covenant.
You know, we, we want God's help

480
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,080
and we need to be him to be on
our side.

481
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:53,600
But are we on his side?
Have we purified our hearts, you

482
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:59,600
know, so that we can have the
enduring covenant 'cause there's

483
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,200
going to be some enduring coming
up?

484
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:07,600
If if Mark 10 and Matthew 24 are
all those end time prophecies,

485
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,400
even half of them come in any of
our lifetimes, we're all going

486
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,800
to be tested and tried for sure,
100%.

487
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,440
One of the things I thought
about is another function of

488
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:25,920
that salt is a preservative.
Right, it was used in

489
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:31,080
preserving.
Meat and if we look back at

490
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,920
Genesis and we look at what
Abraham does is he bargains for

491
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,360
the Lord right save the city for
100 good people.

492
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,520
Would you save the city for I?
I think he goes down to 10 and

493
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,880
then all the way eventually down
to one, right?

494
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,880
I don't.
Think and and.

495
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,640
I think we can see this kind of
like you said with Joan of Arc

496
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,280
there, right, where she
understood that if they wanted

497
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,840
to win, they were going to need
the blessings of the Lord.

498
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,560
And you said one other thing
that that I have talked about a

499
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,600
few different times, and I
believe it's absolutely true.

500
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,480
And you kind of brought up the
difference between God being on

501
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,720
our side and us purifying our
hearts to be on his side, right?

502
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,920
Those are two incredibly
different things.

503
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,000
And I think you're in American
history buff too.

504
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,040
So you, you may have already
picked up on this.

505
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:30,480
If I look at the founders and,
and I, you know, you, you listen

506
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,760
to what the founders say, they
talk a lot about being reliant

507
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,880
on divine Providence, right?
And then if you start looking at

508
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,400
the context that surrounds that
line, when they use it, it

509
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,320
becomes readily apparent.
It's always like calling for a

510
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,960
day of Thanksgiving and
humiliation, right?

511
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,160
Which is usually a day of
fasting to to beseech heaven for

512
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,080
her, her her protection, that
divine Providence and

513
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,400
protection.
And so there's this feeling of.

514
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,240
Us trying to be on God's side
and then something really

515
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,280
interesting happens during
Andrew Jackson's administration.

516
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:12,040
We have Manifest destiny, and if
you read the sermons from

517
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,760
Manifest Destiny now, lots of
people love Manifest destiny.

518
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,240
And I'm not saying that it was
all horrific.

519
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,440
I'm a fan of westward migration.
I thought that was good.

520
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,840
But there's no doubt that if you
listen to the if, if you read

521
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:30,040
some of the sermons that are
given, it's different.

522
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,760
It's no, no, no, no.
God's on our side.

523
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,640
Manifest destiny doesn't matter
what we do, we are justified.

524
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,280
God is in our on our side.
So we go take the West.

525
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,480
Pardon the expression, but.
To hell with those people,

526
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,760
right?
The Native Americans make a

527
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,480
March.
This is our destiny.

528
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,000
God has foreordained it.
We're going to go there's.

529
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,240
Something that.
Goes.

530
00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:00,920
Dark when you when?
You go from, excuse me when you

531
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,960
go from saying I'm going to be
on God's side to no, no, no,

532
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,639
God's on my side there.
There's a shift that happens in

533
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:12,199
perception and it it can produce
some really ugly things.

534
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,639
Oh.
Absolutely. 100% I want to read

535
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:19,199
the scriptures about the salt
because it brings up something

536
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,800
really interesting in those
scriptures.

537
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,400
So on DNC one one O 139, when
men are called into mine

538
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,960
everlasting gospel and covenant
with an everlasting covenant,

539
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,600
they are counted as the salt of
the earth and the savor of men.

540
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:39,679
So when we say salt.
Those who have.

541
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:43,800
Lost their saltiness.
We are talking about members of

542
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,120
the church because they are the
only ones who have the salt of

543
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,560
the covenant.
So we're not talking about

544
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,560
people outside of the covenant.
This is covenant language here

545
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,920
and DNC clarifies that.
So if we think about Christ when

546
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:03,800
he's saying the salt that lost
its savour really interesting

547
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,920
being trodden under foot.
So DNC the next verse says they

548
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,640
are called to be the Saber of
men.

549
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,640
Therefore if the salt of the
earth lose its savor, behold, it

550
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,360
is henceforth good for nothing,
only to be cast out and trodden

551
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:22,320
under the foot of man.
But then DNC 1039 repeats this,

552
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,440
but says some things distinctly
different, and it's really

553
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,600
fascinating.
It says, for they were set to be

554
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,800
light unto the world, and to be
saviors of men.

555
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,560
And inasmuch as they are not
saviors of men, they are as salt

556
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,640
that has lost its savor, and is
thenceforth good for nothing but

557
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,400
to be cast out and trodden under
the foot of men.

558
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,080
So.
If we're not.

559
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:57,000
Saviors of men on Mount Zion,
we're not doing what you know,

560
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,880
if we're not bringing our
brothers along with us, we're

561
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,840
losing our salt and we better be
thinking about that.

562
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,240
And that's.
Probably.

563
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:07,360
Just as much for me as anyone
else.

564
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,000
I didn't serve a mission, you
know, traditional LDS mission.

565
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:16,160
And so I'm not, I'm not as
missionary minded as some

566
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,400
people.
I'm a little bit more reserved

567
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,680
about my beliefs.
I'm very opinionated and not

568
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,680
afraid to share my voice, but a
little more reserved about the

569
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,280
spiritual things in my life.
And so that's kind of a call to

570
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,880
all of us to remember that we're
meant to be saviors and a light

571
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,400
into the world.
Absolutely.

572
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,240
Absolutely.
And so.

573
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,240
I I want to tie this portion
with salt all together.

574
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:45,640
Were were we pretty much done
with the salt portion here?

575
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,280
I don't want to jump ahead.
So if we're if we're going to

576
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:53,160
tie this together, I think it
it's it's this idea that that

577
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,520
likes a feat, right?
It's, it's one of those things

578
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,840
that that we stand right.
And likewise, salt being the

579
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:05,280
preservative or the, the, the
element that draws out more

580
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,800
flavor.
If if.

581
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:08,840
People.
And and.

582
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:14,920
It being a symbol of covenant,
if we don't stand and then we

583
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,360
shirk from the covenant, we're
the salt that's gone bad.

584
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:24,440
And, and we, we lose that
opportunity to, to be those

585
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,280
saviors as as the scripture
says.

586
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,880
I, I'll say this though, too, I,
I can't help but think that that

587
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,680
part of that being saviors isn't
just missionary work here on

588
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,200
this side of the veil.
There's also, you know,

589
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,440
allusions to when you start
participating in temple things,

590
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,200
you become saviors on Mount
Zion, right.

591
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,440
And so and so if if you were to
step away from your covenants,

592
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,040
both, both of those things,
missionary work and temple work

593
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,600
just kind of go out the window.
Right, right.

594
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,640
There's a lot.
More to what that means, you

595
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,520
know what your duties are.
Savior's on Mount Zion.

596
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,720
So that's going to be a theme
that comes up in the other

597
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:08,280
scriptures.
And so it's interesting how

598
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,560
these themes are going to
reappear in, in the other

599
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,640
subjects that I looked up.
And then purity, loyalty and the

600
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,160
enduring covenant, you know,
also come up.

601
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,240
And I, I've always struggled
with the endure to the end, kind

602
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:27,160
of an LDS, we say, oh, you know,
you just have to endure to the

603
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,360
end.
Well, what does that really

604
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:29,960
mean?
You know, that's kind of a hard,

605
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,400
intangible idea.
I, I like the phrase enduring

606
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:37,800
covenant a lot better, you know,
'cause now it gives me something

607
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,360
more tangible.
I'm supposed to keep these

608
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,320
covenants and stand firm with
them.

609
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,720
You know that at least for me,
that feels more tangible, that

610
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,000
I'm just like. 100.
Percent endurance.

611
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,080
And like and and look, some of
this can be in translation,

612
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,000
right?
If, if, if it wasn't a great

613
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,720
translation.
But sometimes I look at

614
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:03,840
endurance and it almost denotes
an inactivity.

615
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,440
I'm just going to wait here,
right?

616
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,200
I'm just going to just going to
wait.

617
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,320
I'm just going to endure in
wherever I'm at.

618
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,640
I don't think that's what the
Lord wants for his people,

619
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,240
right?
No, no, no, you go.

620
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,600
This is what you do.
You go, you go proclaim the

621
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,120
gospel.
You go do temple work.

622
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,880
You go relieve the the suffering
of the of the the poor and the

623
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,440
you know, the the widows and the
orphans and so.

624
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,920
Yeah, I'm with you sometimes.
Endure just doesn't feel like

625
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,600
the right word, OK?
So.

626
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,880
Yeah, the next part I'm going to
share is possibly going to get

627
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,800
into a little bit of Renegade
type stuff here.

628
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:47,520
So look out.
I have to share this part

629
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,960
because my thoughts on it he
really liked and I'm just going

630
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,680
to have to follow the the spirit
about it.

631
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:57,960
But probably about two or three
years ago it started to bother

632
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:03,760
me so.
Mary anoints Jesus's feet so

633
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,320
once again, the feet scriptures.
I was looking up all those but

634
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:14,320
when he when he anoints, when
she anoints his feet, it's right

635
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,040
before his birth or not his
birth, sorry, his death.

636
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,200
So in preparation for his death
and Judas who holds the purse,

637
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,480
says, you know, this spike nerd
could have been used to feed the

638
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,040
poor, you know, and kind of
complained and gave her a hard

639
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,120
time.
Corey looked it up.

640
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:37,000
It was probably worth about
54,000 in U.S. dollars today.

641
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,960
So.
It's a good.

642
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:41,360
It's a good chunk of.
Money.

643
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:46,160
So, you know, that's that's what
it is pure nard or spikenard

644
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,200
oils made from the roots of a
plant.

645
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,240
Smells woody, musky, deformed,
spicy undertones.

646
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,120
Yeah.
So just kind of, you know, the

647
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,680
fun background.
So Mary, we learned that this is

648
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,360
Mary of Bethany Lazarus sister.
That does it.

649
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,720
Luke identifies her.
And in Matthew 26 and Mark 14,

650
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:10,800
it says wheresoever this Gospel
shall be preached throughout the

651
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:16,960
whole world, this also that she
hath done shall be spoken of or

652
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,600
memorial of her.
And that kind of started to

653
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,800
bother me.
I started to kind of Google and

654
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,960
look up, you know, artistic
renditions or Christian churches

655
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:31,480
and like who's talking about
Mary anointing Jesus and, and

656
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,480
who actually preaches that?
And you know, a lot of actually

657
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,920
Christian churches do focus on
her more so than LDS culture

658
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,440
does.
Yet when you start to realize

659
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,920
what the anointing of feat is,
that it's.

660
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,840
Actually.
An ordinance that is given, then

661
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,240
you realize, oh.
You know that this will be.

662
00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:58,760
Preached wherever the Gospels
had that scripture bothered me

663
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,200
for about two or three years,
'cause I didn't know.

664
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:09,800
And I really do wish, you know,
we're treading on sacred waters

665
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,040
here.
So I'll just keep it very

666
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,920
limited.
But I really do wish that the

667
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,320
LDS church spoke.
More about.

668
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Because I remember.
That Kate Kelly woman was

705
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really.
Mad that women didn't have the

706
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priesthood and it was just.
Joanie, real quick give, give

707
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because there's a lot of people
who aren't going to on the

708
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,720
podcast who aren't going to know
who Kate Kelly was because it,

709
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,160
you know, it didn't necessarily
affected them.

710
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,760
Can you just give us some
background on who she was so we

711
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get the full context of that
story yes.

712
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,440
So she.
Was an activist who felt like

713
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,640
she could change the church by
being loud and change the church

714
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,120
policies and they did kind of
cater to her a little bit her

715
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,600
she was a feminist who felt that
women were not being treated

716
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:03,560
fairly and equally.
And I was in Utah at the time,

717
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,320
so it was, it was just kind of
loud in in your face, you know,

718
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,440
like I went to general
conference and you would just

719
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,200
see the signs and everything
about these women just feeling

720
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,720
like they didn't have a place in
the church because there was an

721
00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:18,760
equality because they didn't
hold the priesthood.

722
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,720
And I was told my whole life
that women don't hold the

723
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:23,800
priesthood as well.
And it was kind of like, well,

724
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:28,960
women have motherhood and men
have priesthood.

725
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:32,240
And, you know, I was single for
long enough to where it was a

726
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:35,400
little bit of an ache, you know,
like, well, what if I don't get

727
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,800
motherhood in this life?
You know, like, you know, that's

728
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,720
not very comforting or
consoling.

729
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,720
You know, so I could I could
kind of see where these women

730
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:49,080
were coming from.
And a lot of women, you know,

731
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,600
have been abused.
And so asking for a priesthood

732
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:58,320
blessing from a male figure in
their life, you know, whether

733
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,280
it's, you know, friend, father
or priest or like Bishop, you

734
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,400
know, was a little more
difficult for them.

735
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,440
So a lot of these forums would
talk about, well, you know, I

736
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:14,320
prayed A heavenly mother or I,
you know, or why can't women

737
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,360
give me a blessing for healing
because I would feel more

738
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,320
comfortable.
And those were just such

739
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,960
interesting conversations.
And I didn't really have a huge,

740
00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:30,480
like I didn't have a huge
judgment towards them or but I

741
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,760
also didn't feel like the way
that Kate Kelly was going about

742
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,680
it was right.
You know, like the church isn't

743
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:40,680
just going to given, given to
pressure from a lot of you know,

744
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,120
it's not politics in the same
way as, you know, I was an

745
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,840
activist for politics and, and
your political leaders are

746
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,320
directly accountable to you
because they represent your

747
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,400
voice.
But your church leaders, it's a

748
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,080
little bit different because
they're accountable to God and

749
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:02,520
not necessarily to just do what
you want or the majority wants.

750
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,840
It's not a democracy.
So that's kind of the background

751
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,640
of that conversation.
And so this was probably

752
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:14,520
happening about 2015 ish.
So.

753
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,560
Roughly 10 years ago.
And then of course, she ended up

754
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,840
being excommunicated in the and
it died down.

755
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,440
But women were allowed to say
prayers in general conference

756
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,680
after that, you know, kind of a
thing.

757
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:29,840
But when I learned about the
second anointing, and like I

758
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:35,680
said, I want to keep this very
sacred, it is given mostly to

759
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:42,440
apostles now and is still given,
as far as I understand, the

760
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,320
women actually are given the
priesthood, not like

761
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,840
figuratively, but literally.
And I would just scratch my head

762
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,320
and thought, why couldn't
somebody have just said that,

763
00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:56,920
you know, why couldn't somebody
have just like relieved these

764
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,640
women's suffering and pain and
said, well, actually, women do

765
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:05,480
get the priesthood, just not all
women, which maybe wouldn't have

766
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,960
gone over well, you know, if you
say it that way.

767
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,560
But really, that was kind of the
The thing is that in the second

768
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anointing, there is a washing of
feet.

769
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And that seems to be what Mary
was doing here.

770
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And that we do have that as a
memorial to her, but we don't

771
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,600
really talk about it.
So I don't know.

772
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,840
It's definitely a fine balance
when you talk about spiritual

773
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,560
things.
And even in my scripture study

774
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,960
today, I, I ran into the, the
scripture and I have it here

775
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:41,800
somewhere that, where he says,
you know the, the reason why?

776
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:48,720
Oh, in Luke 810, Jesus says, and
he said unto his disciples, unto

777
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:51,880
you, it is given to know the
mysteries of the Kingdom of God.

778
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,960
But to others in parables that
seeing they might not see and

779
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,680
hearing they might not
understand.

780
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:02,880
And then he references Isaiah
and how Isaiah said that you

781
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,480
know, your hearts are too hard
and you're not ready for this.

782
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,760
And that's why we have to speak
in parables.

783
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:14,440
But also the Greek word for
mystery is mousse.

784
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,280
Tarion, if I even say that
right, means religious secrets.

785
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,120
In other words, something that
you're initiated into.

786
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:28,200
So things that you would maybe
only learn in the temple in an

787
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,840
initiation and isn't meant to be
shared to the general populace.

788
00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:38,640
So, you know, that's anything.
You want to add to.

789
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,640
That yeah, No, there, there.
There's there's quite a bit I'm

790
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,600
going to be very careful here in
in the next few minutes, but.

791
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:50,080
I think.
I think when?

792
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,320
We start looking at at something
like that.

793
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:58,080
It it's unfortunate.
OK, what I'm going to say next

794
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,080
I.
Am not picking on the church.

795
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,440
I am not.
I'm I'm going to, I want to get

796
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,320
that across.
I'm I'm not throwing stones

797
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,080
here.
I'm just stating a fact.

798
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,080
Much of the.
Consternation that I.

799
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:17,560
Find out of the sisters these
days in the LDS church, and I

800
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,920
want to say this, they are
asking good questions.

801
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,080
None of those questions that
they're asking are bad questions

802
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,600
to ask.
They should ask those questions,

803
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:34,040
however.
I think the answers to.

804
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,600
A lot of those questions that
deal with with with things that

805
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:42,080
the sisters are really concerned
about Heavenly Mother women in

806
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,600
the priesthood are still found
within fundamentalism today.

807
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:51,400
Now a woman like Kate Kelly, I,
I'm just going to imagine maybe

808
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,160
I'm wrong.
I'm willing to be wrong here.

809
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,400
I'm, I'm going to make a
statement, but I'm guessing that

810
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,320
somebody who's an avowed
feminist, that answer is still

811
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,640
not going to be.
Good enough?

812
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,400
Because they're going to say
it's got to be without the man,

813
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,920
right?
Well, the gospel doesn't work

814
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,920
that way, just like it doesn't
work for the man without the

815
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,360
woman, right?
This is mutually exclusive on

816
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,000
that ordinance you just talked
about.

817
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,760
A single guy can't get that.
A single woman can't get that.

818
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,040
That has to be together.
And so I'm not sure that answer

819
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,800
would have sufficed.
Nonetheless, let's look at the

820
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:32,120
question about Heavenly Mother
and and Joni, I don't know where

821
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,040
you fall on it.
So I want to make it clear that

822
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,280
this is my statement and nobody
else's.

823
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,640
You want to know, you want to
learn more about Heavenly

824
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,800
Mother, go study the Adam God
doctrine.

825
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,320
I'll tell you exactly who she
was or is and you're going to

826
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:51,000
know a lot more now than then.
Then what you do now that's

827
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,720
that's where I'll wrap that up
at.

828
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,280
Right.
And you know, just to.

829
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:02,680
Kind of segue.
Into a similar topic but

830
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,720
different is I've also heard
people that are struggling say,

831
00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:10,200
well, there's nothing about the
temple in the scriptures.

832
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,280
And it's really hard for me
because I'm like, it's all over

833
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,360
the place.
But they are these mysteries, so

834
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,240
they are kind of hidden.
So it's like it's everywhere,

835
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:26,400
but it's not clear everywhere.
And how do I teach this to you?

836
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:31,320
So I mean, I was also a teacher
at one point at a very elite

837
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,320
private school.
So we taught logic through

838
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:40,600
grammar and I learned how to
diagram sentences for the first

839
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,680
time teaching 1st and 4th grade.
And actually 4th grade was

840
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,520
pretty intense with how far the
kids had gotten into grammar

841
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,000
already.
And so every word really does

842
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:52,120
matter.
And.

843
00:52:55,280 --> 00:53:00,880
Sometimes.
The book is less important than

844
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,720
the mentor, someone Wise once
told me, and I've thought about

845
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:07,640
that so many times.
So many times we read the

846
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:15,320
scriptures and we only see or
hear the parts that have been

847
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,400
pointed out in Sunday school or
that were in the Living

848
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,560
Scripture cartoons or, you know,
whatever we grew up with

849
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,360
culturally, you know, and I
almost wish sometimes we could

850
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:31,120
like erase all that and just
read the scriptures for what

851
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,360
they say.
And you know, when summer I did

852
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,080
and probably for five years
straight, I read through the

853
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:45,200
entire everything Bible, Pearl
of Great Price and Book of

854
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,200
Mormon, all of it in a year for
like 5 years straight so that

855
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,960
everything would be familiar.
And I, you know, made an effort

856
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:56,440
to understand Isaiah and
understand Hebrew.

857
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:00,000
I studied a little bit of
Hebrew, nothing like that.

858
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,000
I would.
Remember but.

859
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,880
It changed how I thought and saw
the Scriptures because I

860
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,640
understood a little bit more of
the history and the culture and

861
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:14,040
actually the old CES.
For the Institute.

862
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,520
Manuals for the Old Testament or
even better than studying

863
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,520
Hebrew.
Those were great, but I did not

864
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,440
get that in the actual classes.
But the actual manuals explain

865
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,720
the history pretty clearly and
give you, you know, that

866
00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:29,840
background.
And I mean, they've changed

867
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,440
since then.
I'm sure I'm to the point where

868
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,640
these probably are out of print,
but I have them.

869
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,800
I don't know where to get them
or even which which ones they

870
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:45,320
are exactly, but you know the
the temple is everywhere in the

871
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,200
scriptures and you just need the
initiated to kind of point it

872
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:55,200
out to you sometimes 100%.
I.

873
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,680
Was talking with a.
With a gentleman here, probably

874
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,480
a little while back, it was a
guy who'd reached out to me

875
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,680
online and he was struggling
with temple theology.

876
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,360
Very same question.
Why don't I see more about it in

877
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,680
Scripture?
And I said, well, you kind of

878
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,360
do.
And he says, what do you mean?

879
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,760
I kind of do.
I said, it's there, but you

880
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,960
don't recognize it yet.
And he's like, well, how do I

881
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,760
recognize it?
And I said, go to the temple,

882
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,280
right?
Like your temple experience,

883
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:28,600
ordinances are going to require
you.

884
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,800
To step out in.
Faith because of the sacred

885
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:36,960
nature of things we don't
divulge a ton right look, I did

886
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,640
a series on the temple covenants
just so people could begin to

887
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,840
get comfortable with that right
this is what what kind of

888
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:45,960
covenant you're going to be
under when you come out of there

889
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,240
that's.
A huge part of the.

890
00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:54,600
Temple, but there's also,
there's also an entire liturgy

891
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:59,720
to the temple that will, will
will give you what I believe a

892
00:55:59,720 --> 00:56:01,640
lot of the endowment is geared
towards.

893
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,920
Not only is it meant to put you
under covenant, but it's also

894
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,520
going to give you knowledge.
That knowledge isn't always

895
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,520
readily available or readily
apparent.

896
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:15,040
I should say in scripture.
It's going to require you first

897
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,880
to go and have the experience.
Then as you continue your

898
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,000
scripture study, things will pop
out at you.

899
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:29,320
Also the Savior Himself was
didn't reveal certain things

900
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,720
right?
How often in 3rd Nephi did we

901
00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:35,000
hear him say, I'm constrained to
speak more to you, or we hear

902
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:41,640
the phrase that that ear has not
heard nor you know, I seen the

903
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,200
things in which Jesus taught and
spoke those days, right?

904
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:46,960
Why aren't they illuminating
that?

905
00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:50,840
Probably because they're temple
in nature and they're they're

906
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,480
dealing with the mysteries of
godliness as they're put.

907
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,720
So I agree with you
wholeheartedly.

908
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,760
If if people haven't been to the
temple and they're worried that

909
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,360
the temple's not in scriptures,
it absolutely isn't scripture.

910
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,000
But you're not going to
understand that until you go

911
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:09,080
have the experience and become
initiated, in which case then it

912
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,320
will start jumping off the page
at you and the old.

913
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,640
Testament too.
Part of the problem is, is a lot

914
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,440
of Mormons aren't reading the
Old Testament.

915
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:22,880
Thankfully, you know, cover to
cover, especially thankfully

916
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,200
next year is the Old Testament
and I'm excited to see I'm in

917
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,800
primary so I guess I won't see
much of the Gospel doctrine

918
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,360
discussions, but hopefully it
will inspire people to be

919
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:37,120
reading that more.
And I know because we say, well,

920
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:41,240
you know, the Book Mormon's more
true because it doesn't, it

921
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,280
didn't go through all these
massive changes and

922
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,040
interpretations.
But if we have the Book of

923
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:53,840
Mormon to clarify the Bible and
the next part, I'm going to take

924
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:59,280
you through some scriptures
about publishing peace because,

925
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:00,760
you know, what is the gospel of
peace?

926
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,280
Then, you know, we kind of we
kind of think, well, missionary

927
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:08,640
work and maybe a little bit
more, you know, but if we're out

928
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,440
here, you know, fighting, what
are we hoping for?

929
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:16,480
What are we waiting for?
So Isaiah prophecies of a time

930
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,120
when we will beat our swords
into plowshares and Spears into

931
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,920
pruning hooks and nations will
no longer learn war.

932
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:29,320
And so the publishing peace
scriptures actually show up in

933
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:33,640
Isaiah 52.
But then Nahem also quotes it,

934
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:39,160
and then first Nephi and then
Christ quotes it in 3rd Nephi

935
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,760
when he returns, and then also
the Doctrine and Covenants.

936
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:48,600
And each of these, each of these
different interpretations kind

937
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:52,920
of clarify possible meanings
because sometimes scriptures

938
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,040
mean multiple things and not
just one thing.

939
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:56,920
But this one's really
interesting.

940
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:01,760
So I want to take you through
Abenadi Abenadi's recounting of

941
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,480
that scripture if you.
Remember.

942
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:08,840
Abenadi actually goes to trial
and he has the wicked king

943
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:13,560
priests of Noah and it's a very
different trial than what we

944
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:18,960
would imagine because they're
the leaders of the their nation

945
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,640
or city state or whatever they
are, but they're also spiritual

946
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,560
leaders at the same time.
There's not really a separation,

947
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,600
and that we can not like we have
today.

948
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:33,360
And so Messiah 12 the priest
asked him an interesting

949
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,200
question.
So he's on trial, remember.

950
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,960
And this is what they asked him.
And it says, And it came to

951
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,920
pass, one of them said unto him,
What meaneth the words which are

952
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,520
written, and which have been
taught by our fathers, saying,

953
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:47,320
How beautiful upon the mountains
are the feet of him that

954
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,800
bringeth good tidings, that
publishes peace, and bringeth

955
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,960
good tidings of good, that
publisheth salvation, that saith

956
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:59,360
unto Zion, Thy God raideth thy
watchman shall lift up the voice

957
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,080
with the voice.
Together shall they sing, for

958
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,520
they shall see eye to eye.
When the Lord shall bring again

959
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,680
Zion, break forth into joy, sing
together you waste places of

960
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,160
Jerusalem.
For the Lord hath comforted his

961
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:14,800
people, He hath hath redeemed
Jerusalem, the Lord hath made

962
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:19,120
bear his holy arm in the eyes of
all nations, and all the ends of

963
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,000
the earth shall see the
salvation of our God.

964
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,680
So.
That's.

965
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:28,520
The question.
They ask Abenadi on trial, So

966
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:32,480
what does this, you know, how
beautiful are the feet of those

967
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,840
who publish peace scripture
really mean in Isaiah?

968
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,200
And he kind of scoffs at them.
If you remember the response,

969
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,520
he's like, you guys pretend to
be priests.

970
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:42,960
What the heck are you teaching
people?

971
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,080
You don't understand Isaiah.
So what have you been teaching

972
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:47,720
them?
And they say, well, we teach the

973
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,440
law of Moses.
And then he kind of was like,

974
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,120
well, why aren't you living it?
And then he goes into this long

975
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:59,000
like 2 chapter discourse on,
well, the law of Moses is going

976
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,520
to be fulfilled anyway by Christ
coming.

977
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,520
And we look forward to Christ
coming.

978
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:10,720
And he quotes Isaiah 53.
You know who hath heard our

979
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,240
report?
And he will be despised,

980
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,720
rejected of men.
You know, there is no comeliness

981
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,160
that we should desire.
And those those scriptures, he

982
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,920
quotes that one verbatim.
And then we get, you know, so

983
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:26,560
all the way into chapter 15, he
talks about how you know Christ

984
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:30,080
is going to be despised,
rejected man put on a a cross,

985
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:33,480
yet he shall rise again.
Then he goes back and answers

986
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:37,360
that question that was asked
verses ago, you know, so most

987
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,480
people kind of already forgot
about that question.

988
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:45,800
And he says, Who shall declare
his generation, Speaking of

989
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,320
Isaiah?
And now I say unto you, Who

990
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,480
shall declare his generation?
Behold, I say unto you, that

991
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:55,360
when his soul has been made an
offering for sin, he shall see

992
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,280
his seed.
And now what say you?

993
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,760
And who shall be his seed?
Behold, I say unto you, that

994
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,480
whosoever has heard the words of
the prophets, yeah, all the holy

995
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,880
prophets who have prophesied
concerning the coming of the

996
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:10,880
Lord, I say unto you, that all
those who have hearkened under

997
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,200
their words, and believe that
the Lord would redeem his

998
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,800
people, and have looked forward
to that day for a remission of

999
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:20,760
their sins, I say unto you, that
these are His seed, or they are

1000
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:25,720
heirs of the Kingdom of God.
For these are those whose sins

1001
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:29,040
He has borne.
These are they for whom He died

1002
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,440
to redeem them from their
transgressions.

1003
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:35,120
And now are they not His seed?
Then we get to the beautiful

1004
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:36,560
feet.
Yeah.

1005
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,000
And are not the prophets
everyone that has opened his

1006
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,280
mouth to prophecy and that has
not fallen into transgression?

1007
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:45,160
I mean all the holy prophets
ever since the world began, I

1008
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,400
say unto you, they are his seed.
And these are they who have

1009
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,680
published peace, who have
brought good tidings of good,

1010
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:54,120
who have published salvation,
and said unto Zion, thy God

1011
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,080
Reyna.
And oh, how beautiful upon the

1012
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,360
mountains were their feet, And
how beautiful upon the mountains

1013
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,360
are the feet of those that are
still publishing peace.

1014
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,200
And again, how beautiful upon
the mountains and feet of all

1015
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,280
those who shall hereafter
publish peace from this time

1016
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:13,720
henceforth, and forever.
And so if you.

1017
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:19,480
Remember in the.
Old Testament Jerusalem has a

1018
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:23,120
mountain to the east of it, and
that's also called Mount Zion.

1019
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:29,760
So it's actually creating an
imagery of Zion, possibly even

1020
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:34,680
maybe Zion, the New Jerusalem
and those on Mount Zion.

1021
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:39,120
That's probably the mount where
the feet are that published

1022
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,480
Peace.
But anyway, it's.

1023
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:46,800
Those who prophecy of Christ,
who speak of Christ, prophets

1024
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:51,280
past, present and future.
But also, you know, I don't

1025
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,760
think it limits just to
prophets.

1026
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,960
I think it's everyone who's
taken that covenant to be a

1027
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:03,360
savior on Mount Zion because
we're on Mount Zion, absolutely.

1028
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,520
Absolutely.
Let me ask you this, right?

1029
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,760
We, we talked a little bit about
prophets and apostles and all

1030
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:14,320
those, those offices there.
What does it look like for an

1031
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:18,080
elder or just a sister in a
Relief Society or women's

1032
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,880
organization?
What does it mean to publish

1033
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,800
Peace?
That's a great question and.

1034
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,840
That's one that I actually have
been thinking about.

1035
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:33,360
I think it goes back to standing
firm and standing up for what's

1036
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:38,800
right and.
I think the.

1037
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,480
Other answer, which is the
harder answer, is that it points

1038
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:47,160
to Zion and that's why I chose
the scriptures specifically in

1039
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:51,080
the scriptures afterwards is
that now we're not just talking

1040
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,800
about missionary work or temple
work even.

1041
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,280
We're actually talking about
something else.

1042
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,160
When we start talking about
Zion.

1043
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,800
What is the preparation of the
gospel piece?

1044
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:06,320
It's something in the future, a
piece that we have in the future

1045
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,600
that we don't have yet.
There's also a beautiful

1046
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,960
scripture in Isaiah that says
that we will wait upon the Lord.

1047
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:17,360
We're going to be wait, wait for
him to free us from bondage type

1048
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:19,320
of an idea to liberate the
captive.

1049
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:26,640
And I think that Zion is
actually a real place that will

1050
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:30,160
be built upon the American
continent to prepare the world

1051
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:35,240
for Christ's second coming.
And so for me personally, I

1052
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:40,160
think it's imagining and
possibly this is because I like

1053
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,560
history and politics, but
imagining what would that

1054
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:46,960
government look like And what
would our, you know, but if

1055
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:50,680
maybe if maybe that's too big
for you, what would that look

1056
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:52,600
like in your home and your
family?

1057
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:57,360
And I think if we started to.
Live a life.

1058
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:03,400
Closer to our Heavenly Father,
and this is for myself as well.

1059
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,800
We'd be probably a little bit
more like Corey Tenboom.

1060
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:13,760
If you remember, after the Nazi
concentration camp, she writes a

1061
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,840
second book called Tramp for the
Lord where she describes her

1062
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:20,320
missionary efforts.
And she is literally going

1063
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:23,000
without purse or script and
saying, I don't know where this

1064
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,400
money is going to come from, but
I feel like I need to be in this

1065
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,480
country.
I don't have any money for a

1066
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,480
ticket.
And the money just shows up, you

1067
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:37,120
know, And I think often the
challenge in Mormon culture is

1068
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:39,920
that we're told that we're
supposed to do all that we can

1069
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:41,640
do.
And we're we're trying to have

1070
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:45,360
neat, organized life.
And sometimes that doesn't give

1071
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:49,320
a lot of room for miracles
because miracles usually happen

1072
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:54,520
when you need something and it's
very uncomfortable to need

1073
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:56,880
something, even if you need it
from the Lord.

1074
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,840
That's not a fun place to be,
Absolutely.

1075
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:05,040
Absolutely.
You know, it's interesting when

1076
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,200
when it starts pointing a Zion
and I'm glad you took it there

1077
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:13,600
because I do think that that is
the ultimate destination, right?

1078
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:17,120
I go back to one simple
statistic that I find so

1079
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:21,280
telling.
Bearing and Joseph Smith's.

1080
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:26,600
Entire ministry?
How many chapels does he build

1081
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:30,560
Joni?
1.

1082
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:36,040
Technically the Kirtland Temple,
but it was the temple, right?

1083
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,000
Zero.
He builds. 0.

1084
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,560
Chapels.
He preaches outdoors, he

1085
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:45,000
preaches in people's homes.
He will preach in the Kirtland

1086
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:49,400
Temple, but he's building 0
chapels.

1087
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:55,000
His vision was.
Something else, his vision was

1088
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,880
about community, it was about
Zion, it was about temples and

1089
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:02,840
communities.
So everything we do in Mormonism

1090
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:07,800
ought to point back to at some
point, the temple in Zion.

1091
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,200
That's it.
That's where we're working

1092
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,400
towards.
That's our goal, that's what

1093
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,960
we're doing.
And when you start getting into

1094
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:18,000
to Zion?
And what?

1095
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,399
What?
Attributes Zion has.

1096
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:24,240
It's all.
About a promise of peace for the

1097
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:27,600
righteous right people who don't
want to lift up the sword

1098
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,680
against their neighbor in the
last days, they will flee to

1099
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,760
Zion.
But for those who.

1100
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:35,640
Tried to make war with Zion.
What is it?

1101
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,479
Said said.
It'll be terrible.

1102
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,920
Do not do that.
You know those guys, those folks

1103
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,520
in Zion, I mean, they got
something going on because every

1104
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,680
time we try it.
Fails and and.

1105
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:49,800
People our our side gets
decimated.

1106
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,399
And so there again.
We have that interesting

1107
01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:57,399
dichotomy that you first
illuminated at the very

1108
01:08:57,399 --> 01:09:00,640
beginning of this where you were
saying, you know, you're,

1109
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:05,920
you're, you're, you're prepping
for war by putting on.

1110
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:11,040
Having your feet shod.
With the gospel of peace, right,

1111
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:14,920
They absolutely go together.
Now I'm going to make a little

1112
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,240
political and somewhere
somebody's going to get mad at

1113
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:22,840
me, and that's OK.
I remember Reagan.

1114
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:27,920
As a small child, right?
Probably 6-7, but I don't

1115
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,720
remember a.
Lot of the more complex.

1116
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:35,560
Dealings, right, but.
Reagan's Doctrine.

1117
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:38,279
When it came to foreign policy,
was peace through strength,

1118
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,800
right?
This idea that look, we don't

1119
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,279
want war.
But if we have to do it.

1120
01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:49,840
We're going to do it well and
and that tended to be a pretty

1121
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,040
decent deterrent for a lot of
years.

1122
01:09:53,680 --> 01:10:00,080
I don't think peace.
And conflict are necessarily

1123
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:02,880
opposites.
I know they may feel like it,

1124
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:06,920
but I think they're far closer
than any of us really, truly

1125
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:08,400
want to admit.
Maybe.

1126
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:11,520
And I want to just say
something.

1127
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:16,120
About.
Politics in general.

1128
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:19,320
Are the, the season that we're
in?

1129
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:24,240
And I, I'll hint at this a
little bit more, but my feeling

1130
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:31,080
is that there's not, I mean, I
voted for Trump, right?

1131
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,640
You know, sure, I like him
better than the other guy.

1132
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:35,680
He's done some good things.
He's done some things that

1133
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,560
really frustrate me.
There's no need to get into

1134
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:42,880
details about politics.
The thing is, is that since

1135
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:47,840
2020, I realized it's not about
politics anymore.

1136
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:52,240
It's not about politics anymore.
And I I what I mean by that is

1137
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:55,760
that.
And I'll get more into this.

1138
01:10:55,760 --> 01:11:02,400
But there is a covenant on this
land and the only way that we

1139
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:09,240
can have God on our side is
through the purity, loyalty and

1140
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:14,480
an enduring covenant.
And I'll get into more of what

1141
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:18,520
that means, but that's it's
like, no, there is no political

1142
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:20,840
figure.
You can't vote for the right guy

1143
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:23,400
anymore.
It's just that time has passed.

1144
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:28,000
It's the wicked will punish the
wicked and and some good people

1145
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,680
will do the best that they can
within the system.

1146
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:32,600
And sure, you should get
involved in politics.

1147
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,200
I'm not saying you shouldn't get
involved, get involved locally,

1148
01:11:35,480 --> 01:11:39,440
you know, absolutely.
But there's, there's been a

1149
01:11:39,440 --> 01:11:45,240
shift spiritually and to me,
it's gotten a little darker, but

1150
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:49,160
don't lose hope because there's,
there's still Zion.

1151
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:55,320
And I want to point back to
that, that idea of God returning

1152
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:59,640
to his people and this peaceful
community of Zion and possibly

1153
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,280
what that looks like.
There's a lot of scriptures

1154
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:05,400
saying we will sing the songs of
Zion.

1155
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:09,920
We'll go to Zion singing songs.
And there's even in DNCA

1156
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,360
specific song, it tells us that
we will sing.

1157
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,640
And you know, I'm like, these
are scriptures that we kind of

1158
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,040
gloss over.
Nobody really reads or talks

1159
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:21,280
about.
I've been reading, as you know,

1160
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:25,080
you know, because we've talked
about this before in other

1161
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:29,640
settings, Zion in the courts,
and that's been a really

1162
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,480
fascinating book.
And in the introduction, it's

1163
01:12:32,480 --> 01:12:35,880
just going through a church
history like Joseph Smith, Nabu

1164
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:41,080
period and, and the polygamy
period in Utah from a law

1165
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:46,720
perspective, the lawyer and he
makes 2 fascinating arguments.

1166
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:49,200
You can agree or disagree, but
it's just something that's

1167
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:52,400
mulling around in my head and I
don't, I don't know exactly

1168
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,880
where I stand on all of this,
but he's the first thing he says

1169
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:59,000
is that it wasn't just about
polygamy.

1170
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,720
That's not why they you.
Know that's not why they hated

1171
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,400
Mormons.
They actually hated Mormons

1172
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:10,080
because they were trying to set
up a whole nother government and

1173
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,360
they couldn't figure out how
this fit into the American

1174
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:15,680
Constitution.
And and you know, all, you know,

1175
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,160
hell kind of broke loose and
they just, you know, kicked him

1176
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:20,560
out.
And it, it goes through a lot of

1177
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,320
the different things in the
Nauvoo period that Joe Smith was

1178
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:25,680
doing.
And then you know the polygamy

1179
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:29,640
period of of setting up kind of
a.

1180
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:34,920
Theo Democracy kind.
Of government in Utah and how,

1181
01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:39,120
you know, the people just were
like, that's not compatible, you

1182
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:41,200
know, that's not what we're
doing here.

1183
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:46,160
But the other fascinating point
that the introduction of that

1184
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:52,600
book makes is that our idea of
the Millennium is completely

1185
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,800
different from other religions.
And you will have prophets

1186
01:13:55,800 --> 01:14:00,240
arise, and you had prophets of
that time saying Jesus is going

1187
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,640
to return, and he's going to
return this time.

1188
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:07,280
And then, you know, that time
comes and goes and, you know,

1189
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:09,120
they must not really be a
prophet.

1190
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,600
But what did Joseph Smith say?
He didn't give a time.

1191
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:16,440
He gave a place.
And that is really fascinating

1192
01:14:16,440 --> 01:14:18,840
because that's a totally
different paradigm than most

1193
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:20,800
religions, most Christian
religions.

1194
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:22,640
It's like, no, Christ is going
to return.

1195
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:24,720
And when he returns to the
earth, it's going to be this

1196
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:26,920
place in Missouri called Adam on
Diamond.

1197
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:30,400
It was where Adam, the Ancient
of days, you know, for was first

1198
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,200
there where the Garden of the
Eden was.

1199
01:14:32,440 --> 01:14:33,920
And that's where Christ will
return.

1200
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:37,400
And there's going to be a new
Jerusalem on the American

1201
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:40,800
continent.
Like, wow, that's new.

1202
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:44,760
That's really that sets us apart
from all other religions, and

1203
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:48,080
that's something to ponder
about. 100.

1204
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:53,160
Percent. 100% there, you know
you're.

1205
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:54,520
You're 100%.
Correct.

1206
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:59,160
In the in the in your assertion
that that we got to stop looking

1207
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:01,640
for the political savior.
He does not exist.

1208
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,280
If you're looking for another
George Washington, just stop.

1209
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:14,960
He ain't coming.
I've made no illusions before

1210
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:17,440
or.
Or or I've left.

1211
01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:20,280
Nothing to the imagination to
let people know where I stand

1212
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:25,240
when it comes to my feelings on
America, the founding documents,

1213
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:29,200
all sorts of things.
Because I do stand by the fact.

1214
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,560
That I think that as the Law of
Moses is to the higher law, so

1215
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,000
the US Constitution is to to
Zion.

1216
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:38,600
I really believe that and that's
not necessarily my words.

1217
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,680
That's that's what I think is
inferred through Doctrine and

1218
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:45,520
Covenants where the Lord said I
inspired men to write, to write

1219
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,600
the declaration and and the
Constitution.

1220
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,240
And so lately.
I've been.

1221
01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:54,440
I've been.
A lot more.

1222
01:15:54,440 --> 01:16:00,480
Focused on on some things, the
founders have said that.

1223
01:16:00,480 --> 01:16:05,440
I think point to.
This time that we're in now

1224
01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:10,680
where it's more about covenant
and less about party, one of

1225
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:14,240
those is right before washing,
right before they have the vote

1226
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:16,600
on the Constitution.
It's constitutional convention

1227
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:19,160
and.
Washington makes 1.

1228
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,960
Last speech.
Before the.

1229
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:27,320
Before the vote and he basically
this part I'll summarize or, or

1230
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:30,800
paraphrase, he basically says,
look, we've, we've been these

1231
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:35,560
many months sequestered here in
Philadelphia, which would have

1232
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:36,920
been miserable.
It was one of the hottest

1233
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:38,840
summers on record.
And if you've ever looked at

1234
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:40,440
their clothing, it is not
breathable.

1235
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,960
It's pretty it's pretty heavy,
no air conditioning.

1236
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,400
And he basically says we've
hammered this out.

1237
01:16:47,440 --> 01:16:49,240
We've, we've done the best we
could.

1238
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:54,080
And then he says this.
Let us raise a standard to which

1239
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:59,280
the wise and noble can repair.
Gentlemen, the event is in God's

1240
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,240
hands.
And then.

1241
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:04,800
They have the vote.
But it's interesting.

1242
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:10,720
Right.
In that he's not saying the work

1243
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:14,560
is done.
He's saying we've taken this as

1244
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:19,280
far as we can take it.
So let us at least raise this to

1245
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:24,120
which a future generation who
will be both wise and noble and

1246
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:27,640
repair to the standard that some
of us were really aiming for.

1247
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:33,160
And I think that is fascinating.
And I think that's an illusion

1248
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,800
to the times we're in now,
right?

1249
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:40,280
I think Washington at.
One point Washington.

1250
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:44,320
Has a sweetheart deal from King
George to just end the

1251
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:46,640
revolution.
They get pretty much self

1252
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:48,880
government, government
governance.

1253
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:51,880
If you look at it, it would look
like America would have

1254
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:53,320
eventually gained its
independence.

1255
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:56,640
Kind of like Canada did, right?
But for.

1256
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:58,320
Washington.
That was not enough.

1257
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:02,880
I think he has a moment where he
starts to understand the destiny

1258
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,440
here and what's what's really at
play.

1259
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:08,960
And.
And he's telling everybody

1260
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,840
there's going to come this time,
there's going to be people.

1261
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:15,520
Here that are going to be both.
Wise and noble and they're going

1262
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:19,480
to need a standard to look to to
repair to that and I.

1263
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:22,000
Really.
Do think that that what you just

1264
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:26,680
illuminated or or alluded to
hear about, it's not political,

1265
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,600
it's not about parties, it's
about covenant.

1266
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,920
I think that's exactly what
Washington was on to as well.

1267
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:36,400
Beautifully said I.
Love that quote.

1268
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,080
I actually don't remember that
one.

1269
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:43,480
I've got a lot of scriptures.
That lead that leads right into.

1270
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,480
But first I want to share one
that is a little bit more just

1271
01:18:47,480 --> 01:18:50,560
about the I'll tie it all
together.

1272
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:56,240
You'll see so in Isaiah 4923.
And king shall be their nursing

1273
01:18:56,440 --> 01:18:59,120
fathers, and their Queens thy
nursing mothers.

1274
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,440
They shall bow down to thee with
their face towards the earth,

1275
01:19:02,440 --> 01:19:04,160
and lick the dust off of thy
feet.

1276
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,560
And thou shalt know that I am
the Lord, for they shall not be

1277
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:13,280
ashamed that wait for me.
And so once again, this goes

1278
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:15,320
back to the Savior's on Mount
Zion.

1279
01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:19,400
Those who publish peace
literally will be kings and

1280
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:24,360
Queens unto the Most High of
God, and those that are brought

1281
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:28,960
to Zion will.
You know pretty much this.

1282
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:35,360
Is for our culture very
subservient and and we wouldn't

1283
01:19:35,440 --> 01:19:39,320
really look at this positively
and in most scenarios, but they

1284
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:43,440
bow down and lick off the dust
off our feet, you know, so

1285
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:47,280
that's it's a powerful imagery
though, and it was something

1286
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:52,080
that during those times would
have been an acceptable way to

1287
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:56,600
show extreme gratitude for.
Some.

1288
01:19:56,680 --> 01:20:00,880
Somebody doing that, but once
again, there's some temple, you

1289
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:09,400
know, being kings and Queens and
and and also in DNC one O 117.

1290
01:20:11,480 --> 01:20:14,680
Oh no, this is in in 3rd Nephi
when Jesus is talking about the

1291
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:19,040
beautiful feet scripture.
He adds this at the end.

1292
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,760
And this is an interesting
clarification too.

1293
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:23,960
So.
Shall he?

1294
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:27,560
Sprinkle many nations, the king
shall shut their mouths at him.

1295
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:33,000
For that which they had not been
told them, shall they see, and

1296
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,600
that which they had not heard
shall they consider.

1297
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:38,760
And so I'd read that before, but
I'd never noticed the first part

1298
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:41,640
where it says he will sprinkle
many nations.

1299
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:46,120
And we were just talking about
the salt that would be

1300
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:48,920
sprinkled, you know, over the
covenant.

1301
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,800
I'm like, sprinkle has to be
referring to the salt of the

1302
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:53,560
covenant.
I don't know what else it could

1303
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:56,400
be referring to.
You know, it's not.

1304
01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:02,200
We don't sprinkle for baptism.
So yeah, perhaps the salt of the

1305
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:05,600
Covenant, many nations it would
have to be, right?

1306
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:09,320
I mean it would have to be and,
and sprinkle it.

1307
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,160
What was it?
Many lands shall sprinkle that

1308
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:13,840
is it.
Is that the way that was worded?

1309
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:16,720
Many nations he.
Shall sprinkle many nations.

1310
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:21,560
That is.
Fascinating and that and that's

1311
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:24,280
what it would have to be right.
Is that salt of the covenant or

1312
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:27,720
standing in those covenant that
is fascinating.

1313
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:33,720
That's and just sorry, just.
Like you were saying previously

1314
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:40,440
about Moses.
You know, in Deuteronomy. 30 He

1315
01:21:40,440 --> 01:21:44,000
sets up them as a covenant
people, and with that covenant

1316
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:48,760
comes a blessing and a curse.
And this is fascinating because

1317
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:53,440
Second Nephi actually.
Refers to this.

1318
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:56,320
And repeats it for America as
well.

1319
01:21:56,640 --> 01:22:01,840
So covenant people are blessed.
If they obey as a nation they

1320
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:05,800
will prosper.
And if they disobey, they don't

1321
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,080
prosper.
And usually that means that

1322
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:11,400
times of famine and war are
coming.

1323
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:15,560
And so Lehi repeats this
blessing and cursing to the

1324
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:18,400
American Zion.
So this is second knee by

1325
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:21,320
chapter one, verse 7.
Wherefore this land is

1326
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:23,640
consecrated unto him whom he
shall bring.

1327
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:28,400
And if it so be that they shall
serve him God according to the

1328
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:31,720
commandments which he hath
given, it shall be a land of

1329
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:35,120
liberty unto them, wherefore
they shall never be brought down

1330
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:38,040
into captivity.
If so, it shall be because of

1331
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:40,080
iniquity.
For if iniquity shall abound,

1332
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:42,600
cursed shall be the land for
their sakes, but unto the

1333
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:45,080
righteous it shall be blessed
forever.

1334
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:51,000
So once again, we have this
dichotomy of of the Book Mormon

1335
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:55,520
clarifying the Bible for them
working hand in hand, where

1336
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:59,920
Nephi gathers or Lehi gathers
his people together right before

1337
01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:04,440
he's going to die and explains
that nations that follow the

1338
01:23:04,440 --> 01:23:10,360
Lord and covenant nations, they
have blessings and curses for

1339
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:12,400
not living up to that that
covenant.

1340
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,280
Just kind of like you were
saying. 100.

1341
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:19,840
Percent.
There.

1342
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:26,320
There's definitely within.
The Book of Mormon, kind of.

1343
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:28,800
Two sets of.
Covenants that go on, right?

1344
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:31,240
There are the personal
covenants, right?

1345
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:34,320
Those are covenants that that
Dave and Joni are going to end

1346
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:37,600
to individually.
And then there seems to be kind

1347
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:41,080
of a, a national covenant,
right?

1348
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:46,800
Not in the way that traditional
Christian nationalists are going

1349
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:50,240
to interpret it.
But there there is.

1350
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:55,560
A covenant here, right?
And it seems to be that way all

1351
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:57,440
throughout the history of this
land, right?

1352
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:00,840
Whether you're you're a God
person or not, if you're a God

1353
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:04,320
person, well, we definitely
know, you know, Adam, Adam made

1354
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:08,000
covenants, right?
Then we go forwards, right?

1355
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:11,560
We have, we have the the
Nephites who are coming out and

1356
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:15,200
that's all about that covenant.
There's whole chapters devoted

1357
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:18,440
in 1st and 2nd Nephites
illuminating what that covenant

1358
01:24:18,440 --> 01:24:23,720
is.
Then we go forwards to, to, to

1359
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:27,840
the discovery of the new world.
And if we look at those Puritans

1360
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:31,760
and those, those pilgrims,
right, all of it centered around

1361
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:35,760
covenant.
And so you, you are 100% correct

1362
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:41,160
again on that, that, that this
sprinkling of the covenant, it's

1363
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:43,800
serious business.
It's not something that should

1364
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:48,000
be taken lightly and quite.
Frankly, it's one of the things

1365
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:49,680
I.
Love about the restored gospel,

1366
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:53,880
right?
We can absolutely have salvation

1367
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:57,240
on our own.
But exaltation in.

1368
01:24:57,240 --> 01:25:00,200
Zion that takes.
Other people.

1369
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:04,240
Right exaltation on on the
family level.

1370
01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:09,080
That's me and my wife being
sealed eternally together.

1371
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:13,760
We can only enjoy those
blessings if we're together.

1372
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:19,080
Zion, you can have a Zion type
family, no doubt about that.

1373
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:22,280
I won't debate that one bit.
But you can't have Zion without

1374
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:27,680
working with other people.
And so there is a sense of both

1375
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:30,880
individual covenants and
national covenants at work here.

1376
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:34,080
And I love how you're picking up
on this idea that it's it's not

1377
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:36,800
about politics, It's about it's
about covenant.

1378
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:38,960
You're right.
And I think I've heard you say.

1379
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:44,040
It before, too, is that, you
know, nations, they don't get

1380
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:46,200
their punishments in the
hereafter.

1381
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:49,360
They get it now.
Jefferson.

1382
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:51,480
Yeah.
Jefferson OK, that's.

1383
01:25:51,480 --> 01:25:55,440
Where I've heard it before and
the scriptures say the just, the

1384
01:25:55,440 --> 01:25:57,640
rain falls on the just and the
unjust.

1385
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:01,920
So even if you're righteous,
it's kind of like there's this

1386
01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:07,200
world interconnected, not in a
weird socialist, communist way,

1387
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:09,080
but you know, we're all
interconnected.

1388
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:12,840
We can't really separate it.
I know we love individualism for

1389
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:16,040
individual rights and we have
individual covenants and

1390
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:20,120
individual responsibility, but
it all adds up into a cohesive

1391
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:22,240
unit.
And there are some things that

1392
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:27,960
you cannot do alone.
Most things have a family, build

1393
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:29,960
Zion.
And I think that's what's so

1394
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:34,480
fascinating about.
The Gospel and what?

1395
01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:37,600
Joseph Smith was striving for
like in the Nauvoo period.

1396
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:42,280
Is is this idea of Zion is not
something like, oh, well, if I'm

1397
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:45,240
good, I just get to heaven and I
don't have to care what other

1398
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:47,280
people do.
And I'm pretty libertarian.

1399
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:49,440
So that's kind of my default
mode.

1400
01:26:49,440 --> 01:26:52,040
It's like, I'll just take care
of myself.

1401
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,880
I'm super independent and you
guys do whatever you're doing

1402
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:57,520
over there.
I don't want to worry about you.

1403
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:02,240
But in reality, when the gospel
has changed us, kind of like

1404
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:07,520
Corey was saying on his part of
the podcast, is has a change of

1405
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:11,640
your your heart and you want to
share that with other people.

1406
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:13,960
When you're excited about
something, the first thing you

1407
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:17,360
want to do is call somebody as
somebody that you care about and

1408
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:19,560
share it with them.
You know, it's gets pretty

1409
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:23,760
boring if you we had exciting
news to, you know, sit at home

1410
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,120
and look in the mirror and go,
yes, yes, yes.

1411
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:28,840
You know, you can only do that
for so long before it's like,

1412
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:31,640
OK, that was fun.
Now, now what?

1413
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:35,440
You know, it's like excitement
is meant to be shared.

1414
01:27:35,440 --> 01:27:38,560
We don't live in a bubble.
No man is an island.

1415
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:43,560
Every man's part of the the
main, you know, So don't ask for

1416
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:45,520
whom the bell tolls.
It tolls for thee.

1417
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:50,720
You know, John Donne, Speaking
of the the pulling of church

1418
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:55,320
bells when somebody dies, that,
you know, every man's death

1419
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:57,760
diminishes me.
That kind of an idea.

1420
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,600
We're all, we're all in it
together.

1421
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:05,520
Yeah, I would.
Really encourage people and we

1422
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:09,120
don't have to go through these
scriptures because they're kind

1423
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:18,320
of long, but to read the second
chapter of Joel along with where

1424
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:31,480
is it in Helaman?
Oh, it's in Helaman chapter 10.

1425
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:36,720
Those are really interesting
scriptures to read together.

1426
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:41,840
Talking about Last days and Zion
in general.

1427
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:47,440
What's happening is in Joel
chapter 2, there's a trumpet in

1428
01:28:47,440 --> 01:28:51,640
Zion calling the people to
gather to a holy assembly, but

1429
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:57,560
in between those that there's
allusions to, and it's very

1430
01:28:57,560 --> 01:28:59,320
poetic.
So it's hard for people to

1431
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:01,840
understand, but when you do,
it's actually really beautiful.

1432
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:04,720
Few years back I started to get.
The feeling that we, as

1433
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:07,920
fundamentalists and orthodox
Mormons, we need our own stuff.

1434
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:10,840
Up to now, we've been able to
buy and purchase all of our

1435
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:14,600
scriptures, books, art, and
music from other restoration

1436
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:16,800
organizations, and that's been
good.

1437
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,600
But there's no guarantee it's
going to remain that way.

1438
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:23,520
Also, it can be a bit tricky as
you scour the Internet trying to

1439
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:26,720
find all the books from your
favorite fundamentalist or

1440
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:30,040
orthodox Mormon authors.
As I thought about this, I feel

1441
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:32,920
like I was really given a
solution now through the hard

1442
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:35,960
work of others, because let's
face it, I'm the guy least

1443
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:38,080
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build a website.

1444
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:41,800
I'm happy to present to you 1830
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1445
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Right now on the website you can
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1446
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1447
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Also very soon there will be a

1448
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:56,880
link to buy art and music all
produced by Mormons with a deep

1449
01:29:56,880 --> 01:30:00,240
love for the restored gospel.
There's also places for you to

1450
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:04,560
get free resources where you can
find podcasts, videos, classes,

1451
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:08,280
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Also coming very soon there will

1452
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1453
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1454
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1455
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It's all up to you guys out
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1456
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:24,000
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Now, if you're someone who

1457
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:27,200
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1458
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1460
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:37,400
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1461
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:41,720
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1462
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:44,880
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from the 1830 Mercantile team

1463
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:47,840
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1464
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:51,000
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To make sure.

1465
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:55,320
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offer are affordable and to

1466
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:59,160
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the profits go to the producer.

1467
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:04,280
The website percentage is only
three to 4% of the total cost.

1468
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:07,080
And that's just so I can pay the
pros that have created this

1469
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:09,640
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the website itself.

1470
01:31:10,480 --> 01:31:13,520
Finally, by making some of your
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1472
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:20,160
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1473
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At the same time not giving your
money away to people who stand

1474
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:25,840
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1475
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:29,200
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1476
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1477
01:31:32,440 --> 01:31:37,160
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1478
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:38,480
sure that we get back out to
you.

1479
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:44,840
Now back to the show.
Noise of Chariots.

1480
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:49,640
War, times of war.
And then before they're faced,

1481
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:52,720
the people shall be much pained.
All faces shall gather

1482
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:58,000
blackness.
And poetically this probably

1483
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:04,440
could mean fear or horror or
sadness or despair.

1484
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:08,560
And then there's a mighty army
in Jewel that comes and saves

1485
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:12,560
them basically, and those who
repent are gathered to Zion.

1486
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:18,440
Yes, and he says, I'll restore
to you the years that the locust

1487
01:32:18,440 --> 01:32:21,760
has Hathy in the cankerworm of
the Caterpillar, the Palmer

1488
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:24,160
worm, my great army, which I
said among you.

1489
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:26,640
And he talks about the rain
returning.

1490
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:31,680
So we know he that he is talking
about famine at some point.

1491
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:35,160
And ye shall eat in plenty, and
be satisfied, and praise the

1492
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:39,480
name of your Lord God that hath
dealt wondrously with you, and

1493
01:32:39,480 --> 01:32:41,240
my people shall never be
ashamed.

1494
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:45,280
And ye shall know that I am in
the midst of Israel, and that I

1495
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:47,760
am the Lord your God, and none
else, and my people shall never

1496
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:49,960
be ashamed.
And then actually we should read

1497
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:53,280
these next scriptures, because
these are quoted by Peter at the

1498
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:57,320
day of Pentecost.
And the Angel Moroni quotes Joel

1499
01:32:57,320 --> 01:33:01,400
chapter 2 to Joseph Smith.
And these are the verses which

1500
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:02,760
Joseph Smith said he quoted to
us.

1501
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:05,480
Oh, let's, let's dig into it.
Yeah, I this is.

1502
01:33:05,480 --> 01:33:09,720
Really fun, you know, and most
people kind of gloss over, gloss

1503
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:12,960
over these scriptures.
And it shall come to pass after

1504
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:15,360
that I will pour out my spirit
upon all flesh.

1505
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:17,280
And your sons and your daughters
shall prophecy.

1506
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:20,200
Your old men shall dream dreams,
your young men shall see

1507
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:23,720
visions, and also upon the
servants and upon the handmaids.

1508
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:27,560
In those days will I pour out my
spirit, and I will shew wonders

1509
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:30,360
in heavens and in the earth,
blood and fire and pillars of

1510
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:32,640
smoke.
The sun shall be turned Into

1511
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:35,200
Darkness, and the moon into
blood, before the great and

1512
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:38,600
terrible day of the Lord come.
And it shall come to pass that

1513
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:41,320
whosoever shall call in the name
of the Lord shall be delivered.

1514
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:44,720
For in Mount Zion and in
Jerusalem shall be deliverance,

1515
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:48,360
as the Lord has said, and in the
remnant whom the Lord shall

1516
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:52,000
call.
So I don't claim to know half of

1517
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:57,280
what those scriptures mean, but
it's a interesting image of a

1518
01:33:57,280 --> 01:34:02,440
post apocalyptic time of
gathering and especially the

1519
01:34:02,440 --> 01:34:05,920
first part where we'll have the
Lord's spirit and dream dreams

1520
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:09,680
and see visions.
But the Book of Mormon.

1521
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:13,240
Echoes a lot of this, but it's,
it's slightly different and it's

1522
01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:17,600
more clear, it's less poetic.
And that's why I, I say, go back

1523
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:22,360
and read the Bible and use the
Book of Mormon to clarify the

1524
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:25,000
Bible.
And here's a funny story.

1525
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:26,560
I'll interrupt and share a funny
story.

1526
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:30,800
So, you know, I, I was kind of a
little nerdy and thought I was

1527
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:34,600
smart those years.
I was in College in my early 20s

1528
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:38,400
and I was putting in the work,
you know, to study the

1529
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:41,120
scriptures a little bit more,
really focusing.

1530
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:47,920
I took some biblical Hebrew
courses and I took some and I.

1531
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:50,720
Took a summer.
And studied Isaiah, you know,

1532
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:52,160
trying to figure out what it
meant.

1533
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:57,320
And, and not just like a John,
by the way, type study, but more

1534
01:34:57,320 --> 01:35:01,320
of like Abraham Gileadi type
study, you know, like, let's see

1535
01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:04,280
what different translations say
and compare and let's read.

1536
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:08,000
You know, like I said, the CES
manual back then actually was

1537
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:11,160
really helpful in understanding
Isaiah and, and saying, well,

1538
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:17,040
this is just like referring to,
you know, a time in the history

1539
01:35:17,480 --> 01:35:20,720
of the Israelites and it's just
referencing their history.

1540
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:26,360
Just like if I said, you know,
Paul Revere's right and or the

1541
01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:29,920
Old N Chapel, you would know
what I'm referring to If I said

1542
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:33,280
the Old N Chapel, you know,
that's where, you know, the

1543
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:37,080
story happens.
And so a lot of Isaiah actually

1544
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:39,200
has to be understood by knowing
the history.

1545
01:35:39,440 --> 01:35:43,200
But anyway, So what?
I was kind of frustrated.

1546
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:46,200
Because I was, I was at home 1
semester.

1547
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:49,680
I was going to College in Cedar
City, but I didn't have enough

1548
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:51,560
money.
So I was back home working.

1549
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:55,480
And there's a little Community
College here.

1550
01:35:55,480 --> 01:35:57,840
So there's an institute and all
of that.

1551
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:03,600
And so I had this guy that was a
friend of my cousin that became

1552
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:05,400
kind of someone we hung out
with.

1553
01:36:05,440 --> 01:36:09,560
His name was Sam.
Sam was a very good guy and

1554
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:13,720
delightful as can be.
And one day I decided I would

1555
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:16,640
complain to Sam that Mormons
never read the Bible.

1556
01:36:17,200 --> 01:36:21,040
And Sam said to me, he said,
yeah, the Bible's kind of hard.

1557
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:26,600
I try to read the Bible, you
know, but I try and read it once

1558
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:31,040
a month or so, you know, But,
you know, that's it, because I

1559
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:34,720
really love the Book of Mormon.
I was like, Sam, how fast do you

1560
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:40,320
read?
And you know, 'cause I'm like.

1561
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:43,600
You read it what, once a month?
What are you talking about?

1562
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:47,480
And he's like, well, you know,
if I sat down and read straight,

1563
01:36:47,480 --> 01:36:49,640
you know, he says, but I don't
do this.

1564
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:52,960
You know, he was still like post
mission reading for two hours,

1565
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:56,600
scripture study in the morning.
And he said I could I, I can get

1566
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:59,200
through the Book of Mormon
halfway through the Book of

1567
01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:03,160
Mormon in two hours.
So I was like, OK, so he reads,

1568
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:08,440
he's reads really fast speed
read the Book of Mormon in two.

1569
01:37:08,440 --> 01:37:09,280
Hours.
Yep.

1570
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:12,280
Yep, he happens.
Around, Yep.

1571
01:37:12,480 --> 01:37:14,360
Yep.
Super smart guy.

1572
01:37:14,480 --> 01:37:17,320
And so I just kind of like jaw
dropped.

1573
01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:20,320
It was kind of like the slap in
my face, like stop complaining,

1574
01:37:20,440 --> 01:37:26,680
you know, like if you complain
to the wrong guy and but that

1575
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:29,280
you know.
And so from that though, if

1576
01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:34,000
anyone wants to know, it really
isn't that hard to read all the

1577
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:37,080
triple combination in one year.
You're not going to be able to

1578
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:39,720
do it in every phase of your
life, not when you just had a

1579
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:44,280
baby and are getting less sleep.
But if you read the average 250

1580
01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:47,960
words per minute that the
average reader reads, then it's

1581
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:51,240
4.35.
So you have to read 5 chapters a

1582
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:52,920
day.
So some days will be a little

1583
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:56,200
bit longer, but most people can
do that if you read 250 words

1584
01:37:56,200 --> 01:37:58,560
per minute in 30 minutes of
scripture study a day.

1585
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:01,520
So if you were just trying to
get through the the entire thing

1586
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:06,400
in a year, it actually isn't as
hard unless, unless you struggle

1587
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:09,320
with reading and that's a whole
nother conversation, but you can

1588
01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:11,480
listen.
There's all sorts of tools for

1589
01:38:11,480 --> 01:38:14,480
that, you know, But that's
anyway the teacher and me.

1590
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:19,640
So anyway.
Read the Book of Mormon.

1591
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:26,360
To clarify the Bible, so Joel's
talking about all of that and

1592
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:30,000
the prophet Nephi in Helaman
chapter 10, if you remember, he

1593
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:35,240
gets the sealing power and
that's really beautiful says and

1594
01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:39,520
this is Nephi the third like in
Helaman Nephi.

1595
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:41,640
So this isn't.
Nephi.

1596
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:46,680
In the beginning, this is Nephi,
named after Nephi, back when,

1597
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:50,480
you know, they're all a little
bit more wicked and he's on his

1598
01:38:50,480 --> 01:38:54,880
tower and just like, wailing
because of the wickedness of the

1599
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:56,480
people.
And they're all like the

1600
01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:59,480
government's falling apart.
There's intrigue, there's judges

1601
01:38:59,480 --> 01:39:01,120
being assassinated.
It's rough.

1602
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:02,640
Yeah.
Yeah.

1603
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:04,120
So.
It's that time period that

1604
01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:07,760
Nephi, and so he gets the
sealing power.

1605
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:10,760
In chapter 10 and verse 4 it
says, Blessed art thou, Nephi,

1606
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:13,200
for those things which thou hast
done.

1607
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:17,320
For I beheld how thou hast with
unwearingness declared the word

1608
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:20,200
which I have given unto thee,
unto this people.

1609
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:23,720
And thou hast not feared them,
and hast not sought thine own

1610
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:26,520
life, but have sought my will
and to keep my commandments.

1611
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:29,840
And now because thou hast done
this with such unwearingness,

1612
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:32,840
behold, I will bless thee
forever, and I will make thee

1613
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:35,480
mighty in Word and in deed and
in faith and in works.

1614
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:39,240
Yeah, even that all things shall
be done unto thee according to

1615
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:43,160
thy word, for thou shalt not ask
that which is contrary to my

1616
01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:45,240
will.
And what does he tell them that

1617
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:48,720
he should ask for next?
A famine?

1618
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:49,680
Drought.
Right.

1619
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:50,520
Yeah, A.
Famine.

1620
01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:51,400
Excuse me, I said.
Drought.

1621
01:39:51,480 --> 01:39:54,120
Famine going back?
To that covenant.

1622
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:55,640
People, the covenant and the
curse.

1623
01:39:56,240 --> 01:39:59,240
Yeah, but then the people do
repent and the famines ended,

1624
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:02,720
and so Nephi cries for the
people.

1625
01:40:03,320 --> 01:40:07,960
And pleads for them before the
Lord, and asks the Lord to turn

1626
01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:11,360
his heart to them again.
And the Lord willingly turns

1627
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:17,160
once the people repent.
And so back when I was studying

1628
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:21,160
some biblical Hebrew stuff, I
ran across the book called the

1629
01:40:21,480 --> 01:40:29,440
Zohar, I believe it was.
And this is like very creative,

1630
01:40:33,080 --> 01:40:37,640
just forgot the word about cabal
called cabalism.

1631
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:41,920
Yeah.
So it's really a fun to read

1632
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:43,240
though.
So I mean, I wouldn't take it

1633
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:48,800
literally, but the the Jews have
a hierarchy of prophets, you

1634
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:51,680
know, like they they have
favorites, but it's, but it's

1635
01:40:52,280 --> 01:40:55,920
it's like national favorites.
Like Abraham's like the prophet

1636
01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:58,160
of all prophets.
And he's the greatest prophet

1637
01:40:58,160 --> 01:41:01,760
that ever there was.
And so he's like very high on

1638
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:05,320
the totem pole.
Well, Noah's lesser on the totem

1639
01:41:05,320 --> 01:41:08,200
pole of these hierarchy of
prophets.

1640
01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:15,840
And the Zohar has a really
fascinating retelling of the

1641
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:16,960
story.
Of the flood.

1642
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:20,960
And it has a very powerful
moral.

1643
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:23,920
So don't take this literally.
I don't think this is really how

1644
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:28,000
it went down with Noah.
I think Noah's a great guy, but

1645
01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:33,560
it think about yourself, put
yourself in Noah's shoes and

1646
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:37,160
being a savior on Mount Zion.
So in this retelling of the

1647
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:46,800
story, Noah is pained to see all
the wickedness around and he

1648
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:51,320
asked the Lord to send a flood
and.

1649
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:55,960
The Lord sends a flood.
And then later he's praying and

1650
01:41:55,960 --> 01:41:59,080
he's like, well, Lord, why
didn't you save those people?

1651
01:41:59,080 --> 01:42:03,400
You know, if there's a lot of
lot of people nowadays that read

1652
01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:06,520
the Bible, he's not saying this,
but just interjecting here.

1653
01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:08,960
There's a lot of people nowadays
that read the Bible and like,

1654
01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:11,440
yeah, that God in the Old
Testament, he's kind of harsh.

1655
01:42:11,440 --> 01:42:15,480
He just wipes out people like,
oh, that was a bad experiment.

1656
01:42:15,480 --> 01:42:17,440
Those people were naughty.
Let's just try again.

1657
01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:21,800
But the the, you know, Noah's
kind of having a hard time with

1658
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:23,400
that too.
Like, you know, well, that was

1659
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:30,320
kind of harsh God and and the
Lord puts it right back on him

1660
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:36,640
and says, you know what my my
servant Abraham did is Abraham.

1661
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:41,480
He prayed If there was even just
10 people, you know if.

1662
01:42:41,480 --> 01:42:43,600
There was 50.
People, will you save this

1663
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:47,240
wicked city if you could just
find, if I find just 20 people,

1664
01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:50,480
will you save this?
And, and the Lord reprimands

1665
01:42:50,480 --> 01:42:54,600
them and says it was your duty
to pray for those people so that

1666
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:57,920
they would, they would repent,
but you didn't.

1667
01:42:58,160 --> 01:43:00,240
Instead, you know, they got
wiped out.

1668
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:03,040
And that's, it's a really
fascinating retelling.

1669
01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:05,800
Like I said, I I doubt that's
really how it went down, but

1670
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:12,040
it's really points an
interesting image about our duty

1671
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:19,720
to our fellow human beings.
100%. 100% There's two ways I

1672
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:22,720
think that we can view our
discipleship right.

1673
01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:32,880
One of them is a.
Very passive, quiet, subdued

1674
01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:38,760
kind of discipleship.
Spoiler alert, I don't think

1675
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:40,120
that that's how the Lord wants
it.

1676
01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:45,160
Then there's another view of
discipleship which tends to

1677
01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:48,120
focus on some things the Savior
had said.

1678
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:51,760
And I want to say this, the more
I look at scripture, the more of

1679
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:55,800
these I find right where.
It's.

1680
01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:58,440
You're the light on the hill.
You're the salt.

1681
01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:01,880
You are.
Essentially a.

1682
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:08,320
Change agent within society,
right where you you are.

1683
01:44:09,880 --> 01:44:11,120
And part of that would be
praying.

1684
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:17,520
For people right a praying for a
repentance a a I'm going to use

1685
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:20,520
a very.
Sectarian word now a.

1686
01:44:20,520 --> 01:44:24,720
Revival of sorts to happen
amongst the the inhabitants of

1687
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:30,640
the nation a returning to God.
I like that model better.

1688
01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:35,000
And the more I read with with
that in mind, the more I see

1689
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:37,800
that pop out.
One of my favorite examples of

1690
01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:42,400
this Joanie R is found when when
Christ and his apostles are down

1691
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:47,320
in in Caesarea Philippi and the
Savior is, is there.

1692
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:49,760
And, and he asked them, who do
people say that I am?

1693
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:54,760
And you know, somebody says,
well, some say you're John, you

1694
01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:59,760
know, you're, you're, you're
Isaiah, you know, or Elijah on

1695
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:02,040
somebody else's.
Some say you're John the Baptist

1696
01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:05,400
comeback, right?
And then Christ says, but who do

1697
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:08,560
you say that I am?
And, and Peter answers him.

1698
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:11,640
He says you're you're the
Christ, you're the Son of God.

1699
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:14,800
And he says something
interesting.

1700
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:18,200
He said, Blessed art thou, Simon
Barjona, for flesh and blood has

1701
01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:20,920
not revealed this to thee, but
your father, which is in heaven

1702
01:45:22,280 --> 01:45:23,480
and.
Upon this rock.

1703
01:45:23,480 --> 01:45:27,280
Shall I build my church?
And the gates of hell shall not

1704
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:32,200
prevail against it, OK?
The first thing I take away is

1705
01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:33,920
the.
Need for revelation right when

1706
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:36,960
he says I'll build upon this
rock while it.

1707
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:39,600
Can be a play.
On words for Peter, whose name

1708
01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:41,920
is Rock.
I think what he's really saying

1709
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:43,760
is it's going to be built on
revelation.

1710
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:49,200
But the part that really.
Caught my mind in terms of the

1711
01:45:49,200 --> 01:45:53,040
different types of discipleship
is where he sets the gates of

1712
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:54,920
hell shall not prevail against
it.

1713
01:45:56,360 --> 01:45:59,880
What do gates do?
Well, they either keep people in

1714
01:45:59,960 --> 01:46:04,720
or they keep people out.
Well, if, if.

1715
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:06,640
You're an apostle of Jesus
Christ.

1716
01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:09,560
I'm guessing you're already
outside the gate.

1717
01:46:11,640 --> 01:46:14,680
So what's Jesus, really?
Saying I think what he's saying

1718
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:17,960
is this is a rescue mission.
We're going to get our people

1719
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:21,200
and hell itself cannot shut us
out.

1720
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:26,120
Those gates will not hold us.
And we?

1721
01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:29,560
Look at the restored gospel.
It is absolutely.

1722
01:46:31,400 --> 01:46:33,720
A mission of rescue.
We're going to go, we're going

1723
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:36,480
to find people who are alive now
and we're going to preach to him

1724
01:46:36,480 --> 01:46:39,960
the gospel and those who accept
it will have their lives changed

1725
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:42,160
for the better.
And the people who are on the

1726
01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:44,880
other side of the veil that her
that died without ever hearing

1727
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:46,680
about this.
Yeah.

1728
01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:51,320
We're going to go get them.
Too, And and this ties back into

1729
01:46:51,320 --> 01:46:53,880
with what you're saying here
about about.

1730
01:46:55,760 --> 01:46:59,040
About being the light, the.
Being being that salt, praying

1731
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:03,560
for people, right?
Discipleship.

1732
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:08,080
Should be something where where
you buckle up for right and I

1733
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:11,000
think what we're talking about
in this series about that armor

1734
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:15,400
of God is dealing with just that
This is this.

1735
01:47:15,400 --> 01:47:18,080
This is not weak kneed
discipleship.

1736
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:23,160
This is a rescue mission.
This is SEAL Team 6, spiritually

1737
01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:26,240
speaking.
Going in to get our boys is what

1738
01:47:26,240 --> 01:47:30,640
this is and we are now living in
times where we better get real

1739
01:47:30,640 --> 01:47:33,280
comfortable with that because
it's not getting easier from

1740
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:38,960
this point forward. 100%.
Absolutely.

1741
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:43,520
And the other thing, you know,
going back to purity.

1742
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:46,120
Loyalty.
And the enduring covenant and

1743
01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:49,080
even the breastplate of
righteousness and, and the

1744
01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:54,760
heart, you know, having your
heart changed, like Corey was

1745
01:47:54,760 --> 01:47:59,440
talking about, is when we're
touched by the spirit, our heart

1746
01:47:59,440 --> 01:48:02,000
has changed and we want to share
that with others.

1747
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:06,440
When we have a, a change in our
heart or we feel love or peace

1748
01:48:06,440 --> 01:48:11,040
or hope or excitement, you know,
those aren't things that we no

1749
01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:14,000
one wants to experience that on
their own If they want to share

1750
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:17,400
that with people that are close
to them and.

1751
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:20,120
Well, too often I think we're
going.

1752
01:48:20,120 --> 01:48:22,280
Through the motions and
expecting.

1753
01:48:25,320 --> 01:48:29,040
Expecting to earn.
Heaven or to you know, to just

1754
01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:32,280
go through the motions instead
of actually having that change

1755
01:48:32,280 --> 01:48:36,400
of heart.
But the the Lord is has said

1756
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:40,320
that our hearts will change if
we give if we give him our heart

1757
01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:48,440
and if our feet are shod and
we're standing firm, then you

1758
01:48:48,440 --> 01:48:52,800
know those changes will happen
and if the the listeners who are

1759
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:55,600
waiting for that change of
heart, it will it will happen.

1760
01:48:55,600 --> 01:49:00,920
You know hang in there.
It's really is a gift when

1761
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:04,960
something changes and I I feel
like I've been kind of the.

1762
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:10,960
I grew up in the church.
Everything for me has just been.

1763
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:16,280
I've always believed it,
probably always will believe it.

1764
01:49:16,280 --> 01:49:22,360
Joseph Smith, You know, it's
been little by little slow, no

1765
01:49:22,360 --> 01:49:26,080
big angelic visitation as of
yet.

1766
01:49:27,640 --> 01:49:31,200
So, you know, it's it's been
that way for me.

1767
01:49:31,200 --> 01:49:35,480
But when it comes to charity and
a change of heart, I had a

1768
01:49:35,480 --> 01:49:39,280
really profound experience one
time I was.

1769
01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:43,800
Probably still in.
College, but probably in Utah

1770
01:49:44,200 --> 01:49:49,080
and came home and my grandma was
teaching at a private school.

1771
01:49:49,080 --> 01:49:52,520
So she was, she was retired, but
still working.

1772
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:57,600
And so she was teaching and she
had an art class and I was an

1773
01:49:57,600 --> 01:50:01,360
art major for two years and have
some artistic skill.

1774
01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:06,680
And so she's, she asked me to
come do an art demonstration for

1775
01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:09,080
her class.
And they're probably about

1776
01:50:09,320 --> 01:50:14,800
fourth, fifth grade ish.
And so I like to draw people.

1777
01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:18,760
So I was like, well, I'm going
to do 215 minute portraits and

1778
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:22,360
kind of talk about a little bit
of art history and, you know,

1779
01:50:22,360 --> 01:50:25,320
pass pass some things around to
the kids.

1780
01:50:25,320 --> 01:50:28,480
And I drew my grandma and then
had her pick somebody in the

1781
01:50:28,480 --> 01:50:32,200
class for me to draw.
And, you know, then they got to

1782
01:50:32,200 --> 01:50:36,720
take the picture home.
And the girl that she picked was

1783
01:50:36,720 --> 01:50:43,160
really interesting.
She was the epitome of what by

1784
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:48,080
worldly standards, she was not a
cute girl.

1785
01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:51,600
She was overweight.
She had scraggly hair.

1786
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:56,840
She was wearing AT shirt, you
know, a little, a little frumpy,

1787
01:50:57,480 --> 01:51:03,400
not not well kept, you know, so.
Initial impression.

1788
01:51:03,400 --> 01:51:05,920
Was like, oh, you know this will
be interesting.

1789
01:51:07,240 --> 01:51:11,360
You know, arts usually about
beauty and I.

1790
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:16,560
Pick up that pencil.
And when you're drawing, just

1791
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:23,360
for those who aren't artistic,
it's about what you see, not

1792
01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:28,760
what your hand is doing.
And about halfway through, tears

1793
01:51:28,760 --> 01:51:35,160
came to my eyes because suddenly
this little girl became so.

1794
01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:38,360
Beautiful to me and it was just
such a.

1795
01:51:38,360 --> 01:51:42,480
Fascinating experience to go
from the.

1796
01:51:42,480 --> 01:51:46,400
Initial impression.
Of what, you know, my natural

1797
01:51:46,400 --> 01:51:51,400
response was maybe a little bit
of repulsion is too harsh of a

1798
01:51:51,400 --> 01:51:55,280
word, but you know, like, oh,
you know, this human being isn't

1799
01:51:55,400 --> 01:51:58,680
attractive to me, you know,
despised.

1800
01:51:58,680 --> 01:52:00,640
Rejected.
Of man, Man of Sorrows,

1801
01:52:00,640 --> 01:52:05,320
acquainted with grief and to
suddenly seeing her with

1802
01:52:05,320 --> 01:52:09,200
completely different eyes like
this little girl became

1803
01:52:09,280 --> 01:52:12,760
beautiful.
And I don't know if my drawing a

1804
01:52:12,760 --> 01:52:19,160
15 minute portrait of, of her
face had any impact on her, but

1805
01:52:19,160 --> 01:52:23,000
it sure did on me.
You know, I, I went home and I

1806
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:27,280
will always remember that
experience and how that changed

1807
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:33,000
me to see her differently
because I had that change of

1808
01:52:33,160 --> 01:52:35,200
heart.
It was my eyes that changed.

1809
01:52:35,200 --> 01:52:39,120
It was my perceptions.
And I think that's, you know, if

1810
01:52:39,120 --> 01:52:43,880
if anything else comes from from
these topics, you know, when you

1811
01:52:43,880 --> 01:52:47,200
first gave it to me, I was like,
what am I going to find on feet

1812
01:52:47,720 --> 01:52:50,800
shod for the preparation of
gospel of peace?

1813
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:52,800
Like that's a mouthful in and of
itself.

1814
01:52:53,160 --> 01:52:55,440
What could be in there?
And then the more I looked into

1815
01:52:55,440 --> 01:53:00,280
the scriptures, I was like,
there's actually a lot here and.

1816
01:53:01,960 --> 01:53:04,160
You know all of.
Those publishing feast

1817
01:53:04,160 --> 01:53:07,440
scriptures, actually, there is a
lot to them.

1818
01:53:07,440 --> 01:53:10,840
And the last scripture I'll read
tonight and then I'll let you

1819
01:53:10,840 --> 01:53:15,320
have some closing words is when
Joseph Smith and this is an

1820
01:53:15,320 --> 01:53:18,240
interesting.
Oh, I did not put which D&C this

1821
01:53:18,240 --> 01:53:22,440
is, but I think it's like 133.
It's it's the one where he signs

1822
01:53:22,440 --> 01:53:24,680
his name.
Your your friend Joseph Smith.

1823
01:53:24,840 --> 01:53:28,240
So this is.
The most this.

1824
01:53:28,240 --> 01:53:31,880
Is Joseph Smith's words more so
than the rest of DNC being more

1825
01:53:31,880 --> 01:53:34,960
revelation?
And he quotes the publishing

1826
01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:36,880
piece Scripture from Isaiah as
well.

1827
01:53:37,240 --> 01:53:41,200
And he says, after following
that, he says, Brethren, shall

1828
01:53:41,200 --> 01:53:44,680
we not go on?
And so great A cause go forward,

1829
01:53:44,680 --> 01:53:47,800
not backward.
Courage, brethren, and on on to

1830
01:53:47,800 --> 01:53:50,520
the victory.
Let your hearts rejoice and be

1831
01:53:50,520 --> 01:53:53,720
exceedingly glad.
Let the earth break forth into

1832
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:55,920
singing.
Let the dead speak forth.

1833
01:53:55,920 --> 01:54:00,080
Anthems of eternal praise to the
King Emmanuel, who hath ordained

1834
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:04,000
before the world was that which
would enable us to redeem them

1835
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:06,880
out of their prison.
For the prisoners shall go free.

1836
01:54:07,120 --> 01:54:11,320
Let the mountain shout for joy,
and all ye valleys cry aloud,

1837
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:15,160
and all ye seas and dry lands
tell the wonders of your eternal

1838
01:54:15,160 --> 01:54:19,960
King, and ye rivers and brooks
and reels flow down with

1839
01:54:19,960 --> 01:54:22,240
gladness.
Let the woods and the trees of

1840
01:54:22,240 --> 01:54:25,960
the field praise the Lord, and
ye solid rocks weep for joy, and

1841
01:54:25,960 --> 01:54:28,440
let the sun, moon, and the
morning stars sing together.

1842
01:54:28,440 --> 01:54:31,120
And let the sons of God shout
for joy, and let the eternal

1843
01:54:31,120 --> 01:54:34,400
creations declare his name
forever.

1844
01:54:34,400 --> 01:54:37,840
And again I say, How glorious is
the voice we hear from heaven,

1845
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:41,240
proclaiming in our ears glory
and salvation, and honor, and

1846
01:54:41,240 --> 01:54:44,440
immortality, and eternal life,
kingdoms, principalities and

1847
01:54:44,440 --> 01:54:46,680
powers.
Behold, the great day of the

1848
01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:49,920
Lord is at hand, and who can
abide the day of His coming, And

1849
01:54:49,920 --> 01:54:53,920
who can stand when he appeareth?
For he is like a refiner's fire,

1850
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:56,880
and like a fool or soap.
And he shall sit as a refiner

1851
01:54:56,880 --> 01:55:00,480
and purifier of silver, and he
shall purify the sons of Levi,

1852
01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:03,600
and perch them as gold and
silver, that they may offer unto

1853
01:55:03,600 --> 01:55:05,480
the Lord an offering in
righteousness.

1854
01:55:05,720 --> 01:55:09,520
Let us, therefore, as the Church
and as a people, and as Latter

1855
01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:12,760
Day Saints, offer unto the Lord
an offering in righteousness,

1856
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:16,360
and let us present in His holy
temple, when it is finished, a

1857
01:55:16,360 --> 01:55:19,960
book containing the record of
our records of our dead, which

1858
01:55:19,960 --> 01:55:23,120
shall be worthy of all
acceptation.

1859
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:26,880
And.
You.

1860
01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:28,680
Know, I think he.
Felt.

1861
01:55:30,440 --> 01:55:31,680
I think his feet were shot with
the.

1862
01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:33,440
Gospel of the preparation of
peace.

1863
01:55:33,440 --> 01:55:38,680
I think he felt felt joy and
hope for Zion in those words.

1864
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:43,000
And it's just beautiful the way
he says that, you know, courage

1865
01:55:43,320 --> 01:55:46,840
go on to victory.
We have much to be grateful for

1866
01:55:46,840 --> 01:55:49,080
because of Joseph Smith and what
he restored.

1867
01:55:49,480 --> 01:55:53,200
And we have much to live up to
because of what he restored.

1868
01:55:53,520 --> 01:55:55,920
And we're not there.
We're not there as a church.

1869
01:55:55,960 --> 01:55:58,960
And I think that even if it
starts in our hearts and in our

1870
01:55:58,960 --> 01:56:03,560
homes, that Zion is the goal
that we're going to be singing

1871
01:56:03,560 --> 01:56:07,480
the songs of Zion and, and
preparing for the return of our

1872
01:56:07,480 --> 01:56:11,800
Savior.
And, you know, for whatever that

1873
01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:16,000
means to each of the listeners,
it's, you know, up to them to

1874
01:56:16,520 --> 01:56:18,840
follow the Spirit and to pray
about it and get that

1875
01:56:18,840 --> 01:56:22,640
revelation.
Absolutely.

1876
01:56:22,920 --> 01:56:25,600
Good stuff.
So I got I got a couple follow

1877
01:56:25,600 --> 01:56:27,880
up questions here I want to I
want to dive into.

1878
01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:33,960
And first one is this, I want to
kind of put a bow on this a

1879
01:56:33,960 --> 01:56:36,640
little bit so.
Explain to me.

1880
01:56:36,640 --> 01:56:39,480
Exactly, if if someone was to
come to you and say give me the

1881
01:56:39,520 --> 01:56:42,280
give me the 5 or 10 minute
answer, what does it mean to

1882
01:56:42,280 --> 01:56:46,120
have your feet shod with the,
the, the, the gospel of peace?

1883
01:56:47,680 --> 01:56:52,280
I would say.
It means that you were prepared

1884
01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:57,360
to fight, but you know when to
put away your sword and that you

1885
01:56:57,360 --> 01:57:02,040
have the salt of the covenant.
You are striving for purity,

1886
01:57:02,200 --> 01:57:07,160
loyalty to your Lord and Savior
who is the leader of your army,

1887
01:57:07,720 --> 01:57:11,320
and you're bound to Him with an
enduring covenant.

1888
01:57:11,800 --> 01:57:14,160
And that you're bringing others
along with you.

1889
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:17,040
Absolutely good.
Stuff.

1890
01:57:17,080 --> 01:57:20,960
Now let me ask this question.
How do we put them on?

1891
01:57:22,280 --> 01:57:24,320
Oh.
Great question.

1892
01:57:24,480 --> 01:57:25,480
I.
Think it's going to look a

1893
01:57:25,480 --> 01:57:32,280
little different for everybody.
Like I said, I really.

1894
01:57:32,280 --> 01:57:36,040
Feel like, and maybe I'm getting
a little too preachy for this,

1895
01:57:36,040 --> 01:57:39,200
but I really feel like we've
lost the focus of Zion.

1896
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:43,520
And you know, we've got, to me,
that's twofold.

1897
01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:48,280
That's our individual purity and
loyalty to our Savior.

1898
01:57:48,320 --> 01:57:51,400
You know, where are our hearts?
Where are our lives?

1899
01:57:51,600 --> 01:57:55,120
Are we having daily miracles?
Are we getting answers to our

1900
01:57:55,120 --> 01:57:57,200
prayers?
Do we?

1901
01:57:58,600 --> 01:58:01,800
Get promptings and.
Follow them, you know, and just

1902
01:58:01,800 --> 01:58:03,600
sidetrack into that a little
bit.

1903
01:58:03,680 --> 01:58:10,360
Corey's been sick.
And so we were watching the

1904
01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:15,240
latest Harriet Tubman movie that
came out a few years ago the

1905
01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:17,240
other night.
You know, he's watching a few

1906
01:58:17,240 --> 01:58:23,960
movies, being sick and and that
one really beautiful retelling

1907
01:58:23,960 --> 01:58:28,800
of her story and probably
decently accurate as far as

1908
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:32,240
history goes, as far as I
remember at least, she was very

1909
01:58:32,240 --> 01:58:38,720
spiritual and she had a brain
injury that.

1910
01:58:40,160 --> 01:58:44,360
She would pass.
Out sometimes and sometimes when

1911
01:58:44,360 --> 01:58:47,920
praying she would pass out and
she would see things.

1912
01:58:48,440 --> 01:58:51,720
And the movie was really
powerful because, you know, in

1913
01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:57,080
cinematography, it could show
glimpses of what was going to

1914
01:58:57,080 --> 01:59:00,120
come, what she was seeing that
she was literally seeing into

1915
01:59:00,120 --> 01:59:02,760
the future.
And because it's cinematography,

1916
01:59:02,760 --> 01:59:04,200
you could experience that with
her.

1917
01:59:04,200 --> 01:59:06,320
She was seeing what was going to
happen.

1918
01:59:06,360 --> 01:59:09,240
And no, don't go that way there,
you know.

1919
01:59:10,840 --> 01:59:12,680
There's bad people.
That way.

1920
01:59:12,680 --> 01:59:15,760
But somebody in the movie 1 of
the characters stops and asks

1921
01:59:15,760 --> 01:59:19,360
her what's it like for you, you
know, having this communication

1922
01:59:19,360 --> 01:59:25,200
to God.
And she said it's beautiful and

1923
01:59:25,200 --> 01:59:27,240
sometimes it's hard.
She said.

1924
01:59:27,240 --> 01:59:30,360
And they and you know, they
asked a follow up question,

1925
01:59:30,360 --> 01:59:33,680
well, how do you do it?
And she said, well, I.

1926
01:59:33,680 --> 01:59:37,720
Don't stop and.
Think about it and I just do it.

1927
01:59:38,640 --> 01:59:42,160
And you know that.
I'm a thinker more than a doer,

1928
01:59:42,160 --> 01:59:44,200
unfortunately, because I like to
think.

1929
01:59:44,200 --> 01:59:47,800
I like to analyze things and
that comes with, you know, some,

1930
01:59:48,800 --> 01:59:50,440
some weaknesses and some
strengths.

1931
01:59:50,440 --> 01:59:53,080
But the weaknesses is that
sometimes I have a hard time

1932
01:59:53,080 --> 01:59:56,920
following that spirit because I
might overthink it too much.

1933
01:59:56,920 --> 02:00:00,880
And it's just like, that's what.
Simple faith is like a.

1934
02:00:00,880 --> 02:00:04,000
Child is, you know, if you get
that prompting you just, you

1935
02:00:04,000 --> 02:00:08,400
just go and do it.
And I was going to segue into

1936
02:00:08,840 --> 02:00:11,640
the nation at the national
level.

1937
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:16,360
You know, the the gut instinct
and the feeling for me is that

1938
02:00:17,360 --> 02:00:23,960
there's a promise on this land.
And as a nation we are promised

1939
02:00:23,960 --> 02:00:27,800
that we'll be a land of liberty
if we keep the commandments.

1940
02:00:27,800 --> 02:00:30,640
But if we don't, that promise is
null and void.

1941
02:00:31,080 --> 02:00:34,080
If we're not keeping our end of
the bargain, there's no reason

1942
02:00:34,080 --> 02:00:35,840
for him to keep his end of the
bargain.

1943
02:00:35,840 --> 02:00:38,920
So we can't look to any
political leader at this point

1944
02:00:38,920 --> 02:00:43,560
unless our hands are clean.
And so, you know, the the

1945
02:00:43,560 --> 02:00:47,520
purity, loyalty and an enduring
covenant, you know, are our

1946
02:00:47,520 --> 02:00:53,680
hands pure as a nation for us to
be able to ask God to intervene

1947
02:00:53,680 --> 02:00:57,240
on our behalf?
We're not prospering, Dave, and

1948
02:00:57,240 --> 02:01:01,440
prosperity is not an individual
promise.

1949
02:01:01,440 --> 02:01:03,520
Sometimes we think of that as an
individual promise.

1950
02:01:03,520 --> 02:01:06,240
So if I'm righteous, I'm
everything's going to go great.

1951
02:01:06,240 --> 02:01:08,120
I'm going to be wealthy and I'll
prosper.

1952
02:01:08,360 --> 02:01:11,440
I'll become a mission president
and then, you know, climb the

1953
02:01:11,440 --> 02:01:14,520
church ladder as well.
It's like, no, that was a that

1954
02:01:14,520 --> 02:01:16,880
was a group promise, not you
individually.

1955
02:01:16,880 --> 02:01:19,960
You might have challenges.
You know, if it were that easy,

1956
02:01:19,960 --> 02:01:23,840
we all would follow the Lord
because hey blessings, I get

1957
02:01:23,840 --> 02:01:27,840
what I want.
Yeah, no, the rain.

1958
02:01:27,840 --> 02:01:29,600
Falls on the just and the
unjust.

1959
02:01:29,600 --> 02:01:33,840
So but nations are different.
There's a group promise and the

1960
02:01:33,840 --> 02:01:40,040
outcome for the group is that if
we don't obey, then there's

1961
02:01:40,040 --> 02:01:45,280
possibly captivity in the future
of some sort or famine.

1962
02:01:45,480 --> 02:01:47,360
And I work with bankruptcy
attorneys.

1963
02:01:47,360 --> 02:01:49,360
So I see all the people
struggling.

1964
02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:53,040
There's, I know there's a lot of
prosperity for some people, but

1965
02:01:53,040 --> 02:01:58,240
the, the gap between the, the
top and the bottom has widened

1966
02:01:58,240 --> 02:02:00,560
and we won't dive into all the
reasons for that.

1967
02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:06,440
I, I have some theories on that.
But then it is it's really rough

1968
02:02:06,440 --> 02:02:11,560
out there financially for a lot
of folks prospering, probably

1969
02:02:11,560 --> 02:02:14,440
not so much as a nation, not
with how much debt, right?

1970
02:02:15,880 --> 02:02:18,720
Right, you know, I I thought
about.

1971
02:02:18,720 --> 02:02:20,840
This long and hard and and I
made.

1972
02:02:22,720 --> 02:02:26,880
I made a short little.
Video When I was on vacation

1973
02:02:28,240 --> 02:02:32,440
back east for my anniversary
with Amber, I had an episode

1974
02:02:32,720 --> 02:02:36,280
cocked and ready to go, but.
After I'd been.

1975
02:02:36,280 --> 02:02:37,960
Through it.
And I the closer I got to

1976
02:02:37,960 --> 02:02:40,840
Saturday, the more I felt the
Lord's say don't.

1977
02:02:40,880 --> 02:02:45,160
Don't release that yet.
Instead, tell them how you're

1978
02:02:45,160 --> 02:02:49,120
feeling.
And this was only two weeks

1979
02:02:49,120 --> 02:02:50,960
removed from the Charlie Kirk
incident.

1980
02:02:51,000 --> 02:02:59,240
I had a baby on the way.
I had not necessarily gotten

1981
02:02:59,240 --> 02:03:05,920
tired, but was maybe going
through the motions a little bit

1982
02:03:07,040 --> 02:03:10,320
and those.
Two things I.

1983
02:03:10,320 --> 02:03:17,520
Think really have shaken me from
that and lit a fire again that.

1984
02:03:17,520 --> 02:03:20,880
I'm not sure will.
Subside subside this time.

1985
02:03:22,160 --> 02:03:25,600
I think I think the.
Seasons have changed which?

1986
02:03:25,600 --> 02:03:28,840
Is probably part of the.
Reason for this, this series as

1987
02:03:28,840 --> 02:03:35,160
well.
We're going to have to stand.

1988
02:03:37,480 --> 02:03:41,120
We're going to have to very
peacefully.

1989
02:03:41,160 --> 02:03:46,840
I don't want anyone getting any
any cross ideas here that I'm

1990
02:03:46,840 --> 02:03:48,960
calling for violence because
that's not what I'm doing.

1991
02:03:49,560 --> 02:03:52,040
What I am doing is saying
standing.

1992
02:03:54,400 --> 02:03:58,160
Resistance.
Nonviolent resistance is the

1993
02:03:58,160 --> 02:03:58,920
path.
Forward.

1994
02:03:59,320 --> 02:04:06,240
But that's not weakness, right?
So often it's interesting.

1995
02:04:06,240 --> 02:04:12,520
I remember reading some stuff
that was assigned to me to read

1996
02:04:12,520 --> 02:04:16,000
the first time I went to
college, and it was on some of

1997
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:17,960
the Viking sagas and that sort
of thing.

1998
02:04:19,000 --> 02:04:21,680
And it was about the time that
Christianity was starting to

1999
02:04:21,680 --> 02:04:26,800
make inroads into Europe.
And one of the things that maybe

2000
02:04:26,800 --> 02:04:30,400
some of the older guard from
those Viking nations said was

2001
02:04:30,960 --> 02:04:34,760
why would I follow a God who was
defeated and is weak?

2002
02:04:35,720 --> 02:04:39,040
Well, that was their own
misconception, right?

2003
02:04:39,520 --> 02:04:45,720
Because he stood and then he was
crucified, now resurrected, but

2004
02:04:45,720 --> 02:04:48,640
none the less.
The Savior.

2005
02:04:48,640 --> 02:04:51,560
Absolutely performed A
revolutionary act.

2006
02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:57,600
Simply by standing.
Right being nonviolent, but to.

2007
02:04:57,640 --> 02:05:01,920
Stand in the face of.
That kind of opposition that

2008
02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:04,760
takes a level of intestinal
fortitude that quite frankly,

2009
02:05:04,760 --> 02:05:10,640
I'm not sure I've mastered as of
yet and find myself wanting in,

2010
02:05:10,640 --> 02:05:13,080
in terms of not having those
things.

2011
02:05:14,920 --> 02:05:19,520
But I think we have to.
Get to a point where we take

2012
02:05:19,520 --> 02:05:22,360
those temple covenants so
seriously.

2013
02:05:24,080 --> 02:05:27,760
That we can say.
Like The Pioneers did, right?

2014
02:05:27,960 --> 02:05:31,200
Why the pioneer?
Why were they able to to leave

2015
02:05:31,200 --> 02:05:38,600
Nauvoo and dive headlong into a
wilderness that had barely been

2016
02:05:38,600 --> 02:05:43,680
explored?
Go to the Great Basin where

2017
02:05:43,680 --> 02:05:46,080
nothing grows right, they were
warned.

2018
02:05:46,160 --> 02:05:50,320
You'll break a plow before you
get one year of corn out of that

2019
02:05:50,320 --> 02:05:54,040
ground and then get it done.
It's because they.

2020
02:05:54,040 --> 02:05:55,360
Had faith in their.
Covenants.

2021
02:05:55,360 --> 02:05:58,440
They had just went through the.
Temple.

2022
02:05:59,400 --> 02:06:03,000
So in order to put on.
You know the.

2023
02:06:03,800 --> 02:06:07,000
Having your feet prepared with
the gospel of preparation and

2024
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:10,800
peace.
Take those covenants and then

2025
02:06:10,880 --> 02:06:14,400
take them seriously first and
foremost.

2026
02:06:16,280 --> 02:06:19,800
The next thing is to recognize
that discipleship is not.

2027
02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:23,960
Simply a state.
Of being on the down low.

2028
02:06:25,000 --> 02:06:29,200
It is an active process to stand
in discipleship.

2029
02:06:30,040 --> 02:06:32,040
To be unmoved, right?
What's that?

2030
02:06:32,040 --> 02:06:34,800
Scripture?
Be steadfast and immovable,

2031
02:06:35,120 --> 02:06:43,280
right?
That to me, I don't know how it

2032
02:06:43,280 --> 02:06:45,480
says I'm just, that's badass,
right?

2033
02:06:45,480 --> 02:06:48,320
I mean, like, you're just going
to plant yourself and tell

2034
02:06:48,320 --> 02:06:50,200
everybody else.
You move around me.

2035
02:06:51,320 --> 02:06:54,640
I, I will not go that way.
You mentioned Corey Tenboom

2036
02:06:54,640 --> 02:06:57,680
earlier.
I'm a huge fan of that woman.

2037
02:06:59,960 --> 02:07:04,520
You know what the Righteous of
the Nations is in in Israel.

2038
02:07:05,720 --> 02:07:06,960
No, I don't think I'm familiar
with.

2039
02:07:06,960 --> 02:07:08,840
That, excuse me, there's a whole
Rd.

2040
02:07:08,840 --> 02:07:12,760
That's dedicated to the
Righteous Among the Nations and

2041
02:07:12,760 --> 02:07:17,280
guys like Oscar Schindler have a
tree on that Blvd. planted in

2042
02:07:17,280 --> 02:07:21,600
his name.
So does Corey Kenbu and when her

2043
02:07:21,600 --> 02:07:25,840
tree was being planted.
And I got you can still.

2044
02:07:25,840 --> 02:07:35,120
Find the the.
The video on YouTube, but this

2045
02:07:35,120 --> 02:07:36,520
this interviewer.
Asks her.

2046
02:07:39,200 --> 02:07:40,520
What?
What allowed you to?

2047
02:07:40,520 --> 02:07:45,000
Stand in this time to take the
risk that you took in.

2048
02:07:45,000 --> 02:07:48,160
Housing people that.
That the Nazis were looking for.

2049
02:07:50,400 --> 02:07:58,080
And she said something that both
thrilled me and at the same time

2050
02:07:58,560 --> 02:08:00,680
I think was a little bit of a
warning as well.

2051
02:08:01,920 --> 02:08:02,760
And she?
Said.

2052
02:08:02,800 --> 02:08:05,720
The righteous didn't suddenly
become more righteous.

2053
02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:08,120
We.
Just refused to go.

2054
02:08:08,120 --> 02:08:10,160
Over the Cliff with the rest of
humanity.

2055
02:08:12,680 --> 02:08:18,960
So you talk about having.
Your feet having no standing in

2056
02:08:18,960 --> 02:08:21,800
that place, having it shod with
the gospel of peace.

2057
02:08:23,840 --> 02:08:25,520
You've got to make the decision
now.

2058
02:08:26,280 --> 02:08:28,480
Right.
I don't think we're seeing full

2059
02:08:28,480 --> 02:08:33,320
fruition of things yet, but the
time is quickly approaching and

2060
02:08:33,320 --> 02:08:37,000
so you don't have time to screw
around with this, right?

2061
02:08:37,000 --> 02:08:40,360
We are there.
We can see the event in the

2062
02:08:40,360 --> 02:08:42,480
distance.
It's time to get serious about

2063
02:08:42,480 --> 02:08:46,320
our discipleship and also
understand that the Scripture is

2064
02:08:46,320 --> 02:08:48,600
tipping its hand to us.
These are the things you are

2065
02:08:48,600 --> 02:08:52,160
going to need to make it through
in these days.

2066
02:08:55,240 --> 02:08:59,640
Peace does not mean the absence
of struggle.

2067
02:09:01,880 --> 02:09:04,440
I think what what they're.
Talking about here with having

2068
02:09:04,440 --> 02:09:08,080
your feet shod with the gospel
of peace, it's that you will

2069
02:09:08,080 --> 02:09:13,120
feel peace even in the midst of
the uncertainty, in the midst of

2070
02:09:13,120 --> 02:09:19,440
the trial, in the midst of of
the rest of humanity going off

2071
02:09:19,440 --> 02:09:22,480
the Cliff.
And I don't think.

2072
02:09:22,760 --> 02:09:26,000
And here's the crazy part.
There's the covenants and then I

2073
02:09:26,000 --> 02:09:28,080
think it's the little things.
My grandmother used to say

2074
02:09:28,080 --> 02:09:30,080
something great.
I used to watch my grandmother

2075
02:09:30,480 --> 02:09:33,720
and she would always sweep the
corners of the floor first.

2076
02:09:35,600 --> 02:09:37,520
Always.
Even if it.

2077
02:09:37,520 --> 02:09:39,280
Looked like the.
Rest of the floor was clean.

2078
02:09:40,440 --> 02:09:42,440
And I asked her one day.
Right.

2079
02:09:42,440 --> 02:09:46,360
I just remember looking and of
course you know, again I.

2080
02:09:46,360 --> 02:09:49,000
Was lazy from the.
Beginning as I was probably

2081
02:09:49,000 --> 02:09:52,160
eating a bag of Doritos looking,
you know, at at whatever

2082
02:09:52,160 --> 02:09:54,520
football game was on.
So like, why you do that?

2083
02:09:55,160 --> 02:09:58,560
And she's like, if you keep the
corners clean, the center takes

2084
02:09:58,560 --> 02:10:02,000
care of itself now.
As I grew and.

2085
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:05,280
I got it, became a man and I
became a Mormon and I started,

2086
02:10:05,440 --> 02:10:09,320
you know, this, this, this walk
and discipleship to to Jesus

2087
02:10:09,320 --> 02:10:12,200
Christ.
That became.

2088
02:10:13,000 --> 02:10:17,320
A lot more applicable, right?
I think his people were really

2089
02:10:17,320 --> 02:10:19,320
good at keeping the center of
the floor clean, right?

2090
02:10:19,320 --> 02:10:21,560
Because that's where everybody's
looking, right?

2091
02:10:21,960 --> 02:10:24,040
Well, no, I, I haven't cheated
on my spouse.

2092
02:10:24,040 --> 02:10:26,640
I haven't, I haven't committed
murder.

2093
02:10:26,640 --> 02:10:30,280
I, I, I don't do anything that
looks bad on me.

2094
02:10:30,760 --> 02:10:34,680
What's your corners look like?
Where do your corners look like?

2095
02:10:34,960 --> 02:10:36,880
Right.
And the corners are, are you

2096
02:10:36,880 --> 02:10:39,600
saying your prayers both by
yourself and with your family?

2097
02:10:40,200 --> 02:10:42,840
Are you reading your scriptures?
Are you paying your tithes?

2098
02:10:42,840 --> 02:10:46,520
Are you, are you doing all those
things that we would quote being

2099
02:10:46,720 --> 02:10:49,400
the little things?
But I think it's in doing the

2100
02:10:49,400 --> 02:10:52,520
little things that those
covenants that we need to take

2101
02:10:52,880 --> 02:10:56,360
to prepare ourselves to, to have
our feet prepared to stand.

2102
02:10:57,200 --> 02:10:58,520
I think that's where it comes
from.

2103
02:10:58,680 --> 02:11:03,440
So Cory, this excuse me, Joni,
this was great stuff.

2104
02:11:03,760 --> 02:11:06,080
I appreciate it.
I'm going to leave it to you now

2105
02:11:06,080 --> 02:11:09,160
to to to wrap this all up with
anything else you want to say.

2106
02:11:13,760 --> 02:11:16,880
The one word I didn't.
Focus on was preparation and

2107
02:11:16,880 --> 02:11:19,000
I've been thinking about that a
lot this week.

2108
02:11:19,560 --> 02:11:22,960
I like what you just said about
the the corners.

2109
02:11:23,000 --> 02:11:27,120
Focusing on the corners and the
scripture comes to mind by small

2110
02:11:27,120 --> 02:11:29,600
and simple things.
Great things shall come to pass,

2111
02:11:30,120 --> 02:11:34,360
and.
You know what small things?

2112
02:11:34,360 --> 02:11:41,560
Should we be doing to become
more pure, loyal, and to have an

2113
02:11:41,560 --> 02:11:43,840
everlasting and enduring
covenant with the Lord?

2114
02:11:44,560 --> 02:11:47,400
I think that's kind of the
question that I've been asking

2115
02:11:47,400 --> 02:11:49,920
myself.
But as I think about the word

2116
02:11:49,920 --> 02:11:53,960
preparation for the gospel
piece, there's a lot of things

2117
02:11:55,840 --> 02:12:01,120
that I do in the kitchen that
don't take as much time as you

2118
02:12:01,120 --> 02:12:03,200
think.
Like I've started learning

2119
02:12:03,360 --> 02:12:08,640
sourdough bread and really, it's
not hard.

2120
02:12:09,120 --> 02:12:11,600
It's not hard, It's not a hard
thing.

2121
02:12:11,760 --> 02:12:14,600
It's a simple thing to make your
own start.

2122
02:12:15,080 --> 02:12:17,920
It's just.
You have to plan.

2123
02:12:17,920 --> 02:12:23,480
Ahead and Corey and I have a
health food company that we're

2124
02:12:23,480 --> 02:12:29,840
starting and everything healthy,
you know, everything on the

2125
02:12:29,840 --> 02:12:32,720
shelf that's like convenient and
ready to go.

2126
02:12:33,280 --> 02:12:39,160
A lot of the nutrient value has
just gone down, down, down to

2127
02:12:39,400 --> 02:12:41,680
maintain shelf life and keep it
stable.

2128
02:12:41,680 --> 02:12:44,640
And so half the stuff that most
people are eating just doesn't

2129
02:12:44,640 --> 02:12:48,920
have any nutritional value.
And as we've been, you know,

2130
02:12:48,920 --> 02:12:52,880
we've both grown up being pretty
health nutty, but even we learn

2131
02:12:52,880 --> 02:12:57,400
more and more as we go along.
And sourdough bread, for

2132
02:12:57,400 --> 02:13:00,160
example.
It's.

2133
02:13:00,680 --> 02:13:04,960
So simple to make, but most
people won't make it because it

2134
02:13:04,960 --> 02:13:09,400
requires a couple of weeks in
advance preparation.

2135
02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:13,120
And the more I think about
preparation, a lot of things are

2136
02:13:13,120 --> 02:13:18,800
like that in your life.
There are little things that you

2137
02:13:18,800 --> 02:13:21,880
need to do, but you need to be
doing them.

2138
02:13:22,560 --> 02:13:27,080
They're not hard to do, but you
have to plan ahead otherwise it

2139
02:13:27,080 --> 02:13:31,640
doesn't work out.
Baking the actual bread and then

2140
02:13:31,640 --> 02:13:37,320
you knead it and it sits for a
few hours and rises and then you

2141
02:13:37,320 --> 02:13:40,480
need it again and put it in the
pan and bake it, you know.

2142
02:13:40,480 --> 02:13:44,520
So once again, there's like this
waiting period of, well, I did

2143
02:13:44,680 --> 02:13:48,480
my part, I did the the first
step and then I did the second

2144
02:13:48,480 --> 02:13:51,880
step and then I wait and then I
do the last step.

2145
02:13:51,920 --> 02:13:55,720
It's not something that you
suddenly wake up and say, you

2146
02:13:55,720 --> 02:13:58,200
know, you're sitting on the
couch or after work and you're

2147
02:13:58,200 --> 02:14:00,880
like, I'm hungry.
Sourdough bread sounds really

2148
02:14:00,880 --> 02:14:03,280
good right now.
You can't open up the microwave

2149
02:14:03,280 --> 02:14:06,160
and throw something in.
It's not that way.

2150
02:14:06,680 --> 02:14:11,960
And when you actually grind the
flour and bake the bread the

2151
02:14:11,960 --> 02:14:17,440
same day, freshly ground flour
actually has 90% more nutrients

2152
02:14:17,440 --> 02:14:23,440
than if you wait even 24 hours.
You know, it's like, wow, that's

2153
02:14:23,440 --> 02:14:25,960
really fascinating.
So there's another extra step

2154
02:14:26,000 --> 02:14:31,800
that might take a little bit
more preparation, but time wise

2155
02:14:31,800 --> 02:14:33,840
it doesn't take that much more
time.

2156
02:14:35,000 --> 02:14:38,080
So that might.
That cooking.

2157
02:14:38,080 --> 02:14:42,440
Analogy might be a bad one for
some people, but think about the

2158
02:14:42,440 --> 02:14:45,840
things in your life where it's
probably something small, but

2159
02:14:45,840 --> 02:14:49,520
you need to plan it in and just
put it in.

2160
02:14:50,040 --> 02:14:54,160
And it actually isn't hard.
It's very simple, but you have

2161
02:14:54,160 --> 02:14:58,960
to think ahead.
And a lot of life's like that,

2162
02:14:59,120 --> 02:15:01,960
you know, having children,
raising children, it's really

2163
02:15:01,960 --> 02:15:05,840
bad to start.
Discipline means to teach.

2164
02:15:06,240 --> 02:15:10,160
You know, if you want your kids
to behave at the grocery store,

2165
02:15:10,400 --> 02:15:14,760
you don't want to wait till they
misbehave to teach them how to

2166
02:15:14,760 --> 02:15:17,840
behave.
It starts way long before you

2167
02:15:17,840 --> 02:15:20,760
get to the grocery store.
You could maybe role play and

2168
02:15:20,760 --> 02:15:22,440
say, hey, you know what?
We're going to the grocery

2169
02:15:22,440 --> 02:15:24,920
store.
What do we do at the grocery

2170
02:15:24,920 --> 02:15:27,360
store?
What do we say when we see this

2171
02:15:27,400 --> 02:15:29,800
bright shiny object that we want
to put in the cart?

2172
02:15:29,800 --> 02:15:32,960
What do we say when mom says no?
You know what happens when mom

2173
02:15:32,960 --> 02:15:34,520
says no?
Maybe even let them be the

2174
02:15:34,520 --> 02:15:38,680
parent for you, the whiny kid.
You know, it's like these things

2175
02:15:39,080 --> 02:15:42,880
take preparation, you know?
Are we preparing?

2176
02:15:43,560 --> 02:15:45,440
Who are we preparing our kids to
be?

2177
02:15:45,600 --> 02:15:47,240
You know they're not going to be
that overnight.

2178
02:15:47,320 --> 02:15:52,520
And the worst time to to parent
is when you're in panic mode or

2179
02:15:52,520 --> 02:15:55,680
when something goes wrong.
The best time to beach is before

2180
02:15:56,080 --> 02:15:59,360
you know, best time to plant
tree is 20 years ago.

2181
02:15:59,360 --> 02:16:03,320
Is that how the saying goes?
That's I guess.

2182
02:16:03,320 --> 02:16:06,120
That's the only thing I didn't
add into my talk.

2183
02:16:06,120 --> 02:16:11,720
But other than that, you know,
purity, loyalty, the enduring

2184
02:16:11,720 --> 02:16:14,400
covenant, what are those small
things that you can add into

2185
02:16:14,400 --> 02:16:18,400
your life to add more salt to
your covenant and be more pure

2186
02:16:18,400 --> 02:16:21,160
and loyal?
Or maybe it's taking something

2187
02:16:21,160 --> 02:16:23,360
out.
Perfect.

2188
02:16:24,240 --> 02:16:25,360
Joni I.
Really.

2189
02:16:25,360 --> 02:16:27,400
Appreciate it.
This has been awesome.

2190
02:16:27,400 --> 02:16:29,880
I know I got a lot to think
about, as I'm sure everyone else

2191
02:16:29,880 --> 02:16:33,799
does, and let's do it again.
Let's do it.

2192
02:16:33,799 --> 02:16:37,480
Well, thanks so much Dave.
I really had a lot of fun

2193
02:16:37,480 --> 02:16:41,959
because it forced me to focus on
being better at scripture study

2194
02:16:41,959 --> 02:16:44,480
than I have been this whole last
year.

2195
02:16:44,480 --> 02:16:49,320
So now moving forward, I'm going
to be much better prepared

2196
02:16:49,320 --> 02:16:52,440
because it lit the fire
underneath me and held me

2197
02:16:52,440 --> 02:16:56,040
accountable.
So I appreciate it well.

2198
02:16:56,440 --> 02:16:58,000
If nobody.
Else got anything?

2199
02:16:58,240 --> 02:17:01,120
I did well, no.
We look.

2200
02:17:01,639 --> 02:17:06,879
I've always said I get way more
out of of doing the podcast and

2201
02:17:06,879 --> 02:17:08,600
probably anyone else does
listening.

2202
02:17:09,040 --> 02:17:13,120
And that's I think just a
function of of how the gospel

2203
02:17:13,120 --> 02:17:15,160
plan works.
But awesome.

2204
02:17:15,160 --> 02:17:17,160
Yeah, let's do it again.
You have something else you want

2205
02:17:17,160 --> 02:17:18,680
to talk to?
Don't hesitate and give me a

2206
02:17:18,680 --> 02:17:20,600
call.
All right, All right.

2207
02:17:21,000 --> 02:17:25,040
Have a wonderful night and give
your family hugs for me will do

2208
02:17:25,080 --> 02:17:26,400
hang out for.
Just 5 minutes.

2209
02:17:26,879 --> 02:17:27,559
Bye everybody.