Episode #220: Armour of God Series PT 2: The Breastplate of Righteousness W/Cory Molloy

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Ori, how you doing?
I'm doing good.

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Good, good.
Is everything going well?

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How's how's the gym going these
days man?

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I have actually seen some
progress the last couple weeks.

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I am doing the holds with, you
know, bench with 225 as far as

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just doing holds, so that it
kind of conditions my my bench

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press to go up and I've done
squats with four O 5 and doing

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holds with that.
And that's helpful.

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I mean, those numbers to me are
not very good numbers because I

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would wrap with those very
comfortably and this was not

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comfortable.
So I really was just getting

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like soreness and achiness and
I'm just so grateful because I'm

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seeing something change
physically where I'm just like,

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yeah, you know, Heavenly Father,
I know he's told me that I'm

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going to be healed.
I believe in him, but sometimes

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that takes a moment and it's
hard to have patience as a, as a

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top 1% athlete.
It's like, I just want it now.

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I want to feel like I've had
could wake up in the morning

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every day with energy and you
know, the kind of enthusiasm

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like a teenager, which I've
pretty much been all of my life

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until I got COVID.
But I did go on a run, which

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isn't really a run because I
actually have done marathons

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before, but it's 2 miles around
this little area here and just

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on the little dirt fields that
surround us here, the cotton

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field.
And it really, I didn't get any

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soreness afterwards.
So my body has just in three

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runs like this.
The first time I was sore and

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could barely move for four days.
And this time, no soreness.

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I'm like, this is awesome.
I wasn't labored.

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I, it wasn't like I could barely
breathe just doing that.

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And so, yeah, that's you don't
realize how wonderful you have

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it when you have legs and arms
and you can move.

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And it's like so many people,
they could be great runners if

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they wanted to.
And so many people don't even

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have the opportunity.
They couldn't.

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Like, I've been fighting,
wanting to do this for years

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now.
And I'm finally starting to see

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the progress and I'm like, oh,
I'm not done till I'm getting

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those marathons in until I can
bench 225 comfortably again.

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But yeah, just, I'm, I'm
thrilled.

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And I'm, I'm seeing kind of the
light at the end of the tunnel

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and feeling that encouragement.
So yeah.

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That's awesome.
It's always good when you go and

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you can see progress, right?
I know for me, the toughest

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times for me is when I hit that
plateau, right?

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Yeah, yeah.
You see, you make all those

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gains and then you kind of
plateau for a minute and it's

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normal, right?
And you just kind of plateau and

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you're like, oh, man, it's not
moving.

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It's not moving.
And then you'll hit it, it

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you'll feel like you'll just
want to give up.

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And then you'll hit another big
spike where you make it some

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more gains, right?
And that kind of keeps you

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going.
But but it is discipline.

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But well, man, I'm glad.
I'm glad you're, you're making a

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recovery.
You're starting to feel better.

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That's, that's absolutely
fantastic.

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So well, man, I'll tell you
what, this, this won't air till

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it's, it's December 13th now and
this one won't air until

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probably early January.
But man, this topic has been

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weighing on my mind for about
the last year.

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And this is going to be Part 2
in the in the Gospel, the the

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the armor of God series.
And today we're going to go over

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the breastplate of righteousness
and what that means.

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And so Corey, I'm, I'm super
excited to see what you came up

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with, bro.
Yeah, yeah.

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I initially when you mentioned
it to me, I was like, oh, you're

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asking for, you know, some real
deep, you know, doctrinal

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things.
And then I just realized once I

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started to get into it, I
started to feel the Spirit

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working with me.
Woke up a few times in the

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middle of the night.
I was like, Corey, you've got to

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share this, you've got to share
this.

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And it just kept happening.
So I feel like I've really got

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something special with this
episode for all for everyone who

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wants to draw closer to our
Father in heaven, you know, the

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things that have drawn me the
closest.

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And it's very much, you know,
putting on the the breast plate,

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plate of righteousness.
And you know, the DNC kind of

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starts out, you know, DNC 1:30,
1/6.

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He says it's impossible to be
saved in ignorance.

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And Joseph Smith, he says, well,
we're saved no faster than a man

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gains knowledge to develop in
their understanding and

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character of God.
And just over and over, you

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know, I, I spent a lot of time
with AI and since I'm a

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marketing guy, I always try to
put everything in my own words.

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I, as a marketing professional,
I just, I try to reframe the

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ideas that I read in the most
positive, present and personal

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way possible because it makes me
a better man and it speaks to my

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mind a bit more urgent urgently
to my mind than something that's

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negative past or impersonal.
And so I feel it a lot more in

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my heart.
And Nephi, he says, first, Nephi

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19, liken all the scriptures to
yourself for your learning and

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your profit.
And you know, I invite all of

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the listeners here on this
podcast to very much, you know,

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see how this topic can relate to
your life.

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Because I feel like this is the
key principle in developing our

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character like our Father in
heaven so that we can stand in

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the presence of our Father in
heaven with confidence that our

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prayers are answered, that we
have faith in him and trust in

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him kind of a thing.
And and it really is.

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It's simpler in some ways, and
yet it's something that most of

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us aren't catching on to.
That's what I I've seen more so

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with with doing the deep dive
because of your, you know,

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invitation to come on this.
I feel like I've really am

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learning even more and I'm
solidifying.

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It's like, yeah, you know, I I
do get a couple pieces of this

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slice of the pie.
I like I get it internally.

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And I'm seeing that a lot of
other people might not in in

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chatting with them online,
especially this is this is a

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topic that I'm seeing a lot of
holes in the understanding of my

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fellow brothers and sisters.
So let let's really look at what

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it means to put on the whole
armor of God so that we can

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withstand the slings and the the
arrows of the adversary that,

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you know, he he throws at us in
life.

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Absolutely.
Can I, can I ask this question

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to you?
And, and I was curious, right,

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because when when I first got
the prompting to do this series,

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I looked at it and I'm like,
you're, they're not going to be

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able to come up with enough
stuff.

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These are fairly simple
principles, right?

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Was that ever a concern for you
as you were preparing it?

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And then as you got into it,
you're like, oh, there's way

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more here than what I thought.
I initially felt like it was

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going to be a lot of content.
And yet after I got into it, I

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was like, Oh my goodness, this
is one of the biggest concepts

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of our gospel, very much a
cornerstone, keystone principle.

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Like today, after we cover all
of these scriptures, I've got 19

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pages of quotes and things from
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I try to make them so that
they're really quick that I can

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read them right off kind of
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I memorized a lot of them as a
missionary, but with COVID, I

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don't have quite the recall.
And unfortunately, you know, I'm

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just going to do my best and and
try to be as as helpful as

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possible and and presenting
this.

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Yep, Let's dive in, man.
Well, understanding the deeper

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principles that are shared in
the scriptures that you just,

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you know, it does increase your,
your confidence in your

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spiritual power.
It, it will give you more, you

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know, helpful insights into how
to navigate the challenges you

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face so that you become more
like Jesus Christ because that's

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what we really are.
We're followers, you know,

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Christians.
Christians are followers of

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Jesus.
We want to be like him and

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develop his character, his
personality and act like he does

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and treat others like him.
I thought this was interesting.

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Even Captain Moroni, he says,
you know, scriptures can be a

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guide to your life.
Even Captain Moroni turned to

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the words of Jacob when he tore
his clothes to create the title

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of liberty for the people in his
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And you know, if guys like
Captain Moroni, it's like all of

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the, the prophets, they were
learning from each other.

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They're they're studying the
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The Savior went to the temple
when he was 12 and, and he had

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such a, the spirit was working
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He was able to share things with
the doctors then.

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But as a child, of course, he
would have learned little by

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little, just like us.
He developed his character, you

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know, through study and through
prayer and through learning from

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the rabbi's of, of his day.
And that's what we can do today

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with our scriptures, you know,
pulling them out and trying to

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pick apart what do these
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What are the what?
How do I apply this kind of a

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thing?
Oh, so I think if, if I'm

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picking up here what you're
putting down, it's it's putting

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on that, that breastplate of
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It's not, it's not an event.
It can be a process.

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Yes, and the process has to do
with, you know, a couple of the

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words that are shared in the in
the Sermon on the Mount and

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also, you know, I'll get to
this, you know, like what is the

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the breastplate of judgment and
righteousness?

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In Exodus 28 and Leviticus 8,
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first high priest under the
Levitical order to be clothed in

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sacred vestments.
The linen, the linen garments of

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consecration, the ephod vest,
and the breastplate of judgment

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fastened, you know, with the
Urim and thummim on on the

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breastplate.
So this is kind of what's going

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on.
And in Hebrew it says the Urim.

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The word Urim means light and
the thummim is perfection or

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truth.
And these were instruments of

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divine revelation, the way the
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Lord and receive perfect answers
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And then you see Joseph Smith,
centuries later, he's called to

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bring forth the Book of Mormon.
And the Lord gave him a

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breastplate with the Urim and
thummim and all of that was

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attached exactly what what Aaron
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And, and it's the exact ancient
order and the exact same holy

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instrument.
So there is more to this idea,

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you know, of putting on this
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because this is how the Lord is
directing and guiding his

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prophets.
And it's symbolically.

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There are some other things that
are going on here that we'll get

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right into the kind of makes
this topic a lot more

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interesting and fascinating to
me if you look at.

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I like that.
I like that connection you found

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between between the breastplate
of righteousness and the

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breastplate plate of judgement.
I think that's a fascinating

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correlation there.
Yeah, yeah, we're going to do a

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lot more deep dive into this.
There are a bunch of things that

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I feel like I'm having a bit
more of an aha moment and I've

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connected a lot of dots doing
this.

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So I feel like, you know, I've
read the the Bible five times,

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studied some Greek and Latin.
So those are the areas that I've

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spent the most time with, not so
much Hebrew.

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Joni has spent a lot of time
with that.

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And so she's been teaching me a
lot of the, the details too,

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which is great.
And I know there's a lot of

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listeners here who are great
scholars and are way beyond me

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in these areas.
And it's just so fun to learn

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from them, especially the, the
ancient Hebrew traditions that

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are really not explained in, you
know, our LES, you know,

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institute manuals or, you know,
when we go to school at, at the

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University of Utah, because I've
taken all of their classes, but

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they, they touch on it.
They don't go into the full

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depth of really what the law
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So, you know, Joshua Erickson
really adds to that with his

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podcasts and a lot of his
conversations.

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Those have been beautiful.
So appreciate that.

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And it puts it makes the
scriptures so much more

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meaningful when you understand
what these words mean as well.

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Absolutely.
If you look at Melchizedek and

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Strong's the Hebrew is
pronounced in English as Malik

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so on that word actually means
king.

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And then Sadiq is to justify a
righteousness.

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So then we get right back to the
word justifying again, but the

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the name Melchizedek means King
of righteousness.

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And when Aaron was clothed in
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before Israel with this Urim and
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And this was a symbolically
putting on this armor of

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righteousness and exercising the
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the Son of God, the same
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today.
Well, here's the restored truth

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that every worthy bearer of the
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female, for our sisters received
the fullness of the mechazetic

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priesthood in the temple
endowment, and we are invited to

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become exactly what the name
declares, a king or queen of

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righteousness, a priest or
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God.
Well, and we put that same armor

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on every time we clothe
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We live worthy of the Holy
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Thummim, and we minister with
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Israel.
That's how you become a king or

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queen of righteousness by
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priesthood after the order of
Melchizedek walking and holiness

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before the Lord, letting his
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through you to everyone around
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And you know, just to paraphrase
one O 7 and the Doctrine and

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covenants in the temple
endowment, just you know, it's

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just like let everybody stand in
their office and labor in their

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calling.
Go go do the work people.

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Go teach your your brothers and
sisters.

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You know, it's, it's interesting
that the, the thing I picked up

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on there as you were talking
about Aaron and the, the

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breastplate there where the Urim
and Thummim is positioned,

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right?
It's over his heart, right over

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your heart, like, and if we
think about what the Urim and

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Thummim does it, it reveals
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And I think in some way the Lord
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Right, I know your home.
Right.

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And, and I think there's a lot
there to think about in in that

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in that motif.
And the, the symbolism is, is

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really fun, you know, that's,
you know, kind of the ancient

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pattern.
Well, that sums it up.

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We'll look at some more
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how to apply the principles.
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Ephesians 6414 Paul says we'll
stand firm then with the belt of

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truth buckled around your waist
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righteousness in place.
In Isaiah 5917 he says will he

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put on righteousness as a
breastplate and the pure in

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heart wear the breastplate of
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breastplate can protect your
heart from the fiery darts of

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the adversary.
The Spirit of the Lord can guide

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you in your education and career
as well as who you marry another

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any other life changing, you
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making or you don't make.
You know, sometimes you need to

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be told not to do something
because you just feel like that

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pit, that emptiness, that
uncomfortability with something

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that you've been something's
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And and you know, it takes all
of us practice to do that.

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Even Joseph Smith, you know, he,
he pushed things several times

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until he learned, you know what,
this when God tells you

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something, listen, you know, he,
he wanted to give Martin Harris,

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Harris the, the, the transcripts
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And he, he, he really just
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And so he kept praying.
Hey, Heavenly Father, please,

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please, please.
And just like we are with our

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children, if they say please
long enough, go ahead, find out.

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You know, I, I didn't even, I, I
had hadn't even thought about

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that.
But protecting your heart from

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the fiery darts of the
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If we look at I think it's DNC
88, it talks about men's hearts

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will fail them.
Yeah, good point.

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Right.
In the last days, men, men's

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hearts were, will fail them.
And I remember thinking, oh,

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well, that must just be because
of, you know, all these

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calamities, right?
As I'm a young Mormon and I'm

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figuring things out, I'm taking
it very literally, right?

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And I'm thinking, oh, you know,
it's going to be so terrifying

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that men are going to keel over
from heart failure, right?

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But I don't necessarily think
that's exclusively what that

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means, right?
I think what that means is is

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that men's hearts failing them
means that men will lose

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compassion and they will lose
courage, Right.

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And in these last days, those
are two things that are in short

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supply that are needed.
And so, yeah.

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Very much so online especially.
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So if you have developed those
compassion and courage, well,

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you got to figure out a way to
protect it.

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I think that's a fascinating
find that you had there, Corey.

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Well, you know, so how does it
you you put on this this little

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breastplate of righteousness?
You know, first I'm going to

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address a popular false
doctrine.

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I hear it often at church.
You know, people say, yeah,

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nobody's perfect.
And it's kind of meant as this

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euphemism and, you know, to
excuse underperformance or even

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incompetence.
And it's often, you know,

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especially when somebody says,
Oh, well, you know, Oh well,

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nobody's perfect kind of a
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But in Matthew 548, Jesus tells
us very clearly, be ye therefore

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perfect, even as I am the Greek
word for perfect, telios, it can

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mean complete, whole, finished
or fully developed.

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I like the whole and finished.
And then you, you go over to

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Matthew here, 2746.
So what does the Savior say on

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the cross when everything's
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It is finished.
Yeah, yeah.

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So that perfection.
So that's the idea of the

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perfection that he's that we're
not translating in our little

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brains, you know, from really
what has gone on previously.

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What is the Savior trying to
tell us?

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You know, the, the command for
perfection is to be fully

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developed in your character as
as a Christian, you know, you're

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committed not to be flawless or
sinless.

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You know, if it's the
personalities of those who have

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been saved because you're
perfect and or made whole.

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When you feel the love of God
fill your heart when you're

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praying, when you come up out of
the waters of baptism or when

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you, you know, partake of the
sacrament on Sunday.

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And unless you're, you know, if
you're sincere, if you're

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sincere in that, then then you
would be made perfect at that

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point in your, in your, in your
life, because you know, you're

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praying, You know, as I've, as I
pray, I feel the, the Spirit of

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the Lord kind of give me that
help.

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Sometimes I've gone to church.
My mom would always share this

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with me says, you know,
sometimes the speakers that get

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up, they're, they're maybe not
very in tune.

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They aren't really feeling it
that day or they just, they just

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don't know what to say and
they're scared.

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And so you don't feel like you
really got much out of the

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meeting.
But you know, my mom says, you

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know, if you come to church
with.

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Your plate empty, you want
Heavenly Father to fill you up

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and give you that spirit.
You can be praying during the

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sacrament.
You can be praying during

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someone's, you know, other
prayers too, Praying with them

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that they feel the spirit and
have the right words when they

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speak and what they do.
And then when the songs are

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given and over and over, I felt
that trickling of the spirit

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where I just feel that warmth
and that love again.

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It's like, you know, you kind of
feel this hug, like something

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comes over you and you're like,
you feel this peace that you

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didn't have right before.
You know, sometimes when I take

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the sacrament or clearly when I
was baptized, that was just so

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such a beautiful experience and
and we can remember those

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moments and so we have some
identifying features.

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It's like, well, you know,
that's what it feels like, but

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that's what happens when you
know you are perfect, you're

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made perfect.
You know, this, I guess the

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thing that has frustrated me
with this topic is, you know, we

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seem to devalue that idea of
perfection.

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Nobody's perfect, and yet
everyone who sits at church

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after the sacrament is perfect
if they're doing it sincerely.

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Sure, I see what you're saying,
you know, and something else you

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said.
It's something that has bugged

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me for a while.
And I'll hear people say, Oh,

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well, so and so spoke.
And you know what?

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It wasn't that great of a
meeting.

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Or, you know, whatever the case
is, that's a failing of the

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listener of of the, of the, the,
the listener or the congregant,

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not the speaker.
Yeah.

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Let me let me explain this
right.

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And I know I've irritated,
irritated a few people with

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this, but I do believe it's
true.

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If you are in tune, if you go
seeking revelation, if you have

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put yourself in that position,
something will be said that will

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resonate with you, that will
maybe 'cause you to go down a, a

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line of thought that will reveal
the answer to what you're

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looking for.
But that's not a function of the

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speaker.
That's a function of you being

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close to the spirit.
And so it, it always bugged me

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when I hear people say, Oh yeah,
I, you know, I really didn't

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like that talk.
Well, why not?

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Well, I didn't feel the spirit.
Well, that's a you problem.

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That's not a the speaker
problem.

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And I think that's something
that that needs to be drawn out

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and look as we, as we look to,
to take upon us this, this

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breastplate of righteousness.
And you're, you're talking

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about, I think the sacraments 1
great way that that can be done.

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This is a personal thing.
We've got to take accountability

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for it, right?
We can't just be like, oh, well,

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this will be easy, right?
It it's simple because it's, but

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it's not easy.
Oh yeah, definitely not easy.

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Right.
And so no, I I dig what you're

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putting down there.
Yeah, I'm going to ask a few

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questions here, You know, So
what happens to you when you

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feel the love of God for the
first time?

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I'm going to answer that for me
because it was so such a life

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changing thing for me.
Like I just so grateful for

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Heavenly Father's love in my
life.

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I just am.
I wow I I felt to the the

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deepest level of peace,
happiness, and love that filled

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my entire body to the core.
I wanted to run around and hug

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everyone.
I cared for everyone and

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everything, people, plants and
animals.

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I wanted to make the world a
better place in every way

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possible.
I was excited, motivated, and

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worked hard to contribute.
I realized that we would all

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live together forever in the
next life and that many things

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we do in life can only be done
by us.

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I realize that everything we do
causes ripples that will echo an

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eternity.
I realized as creators of

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families and other gods, we will
eventually all know each other's

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reasons, thoughts, and feelings
for for the things we do.

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I wanted to be the kind of
person who loves and respects

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others.
I began to do hard things like

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ballet, martial arts, and
gymnastics because I felt

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empowered for the first time in
my life.

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I felt God and his love fill my
heart.

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That's, that's what it did for
me.

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And so much more, so much more
that yeah, I could go on for

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hours.
It's, it's literally that big of

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a list.
And I, I am so thankful for the

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Savior and what this gospel is
because it's giving me hope that

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I didn't have before that.
And I see so many people

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struggling with their personal
challenges, not realizing that

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they are divine and that their
Father in heaven and their

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Mother in heaven loves them and
that they are literally children

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with divine potential.
And I'm going to get into this a

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bit more and several other
things that we've started to

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touch on.
We'll, we'll go much more into

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depth.
But you know, what was it like

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for you?
Is there anything more

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wonderful?
I'm maybe you can share some of

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your thoughts here, Dave.
And you know what?

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00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,160
I remember the change was for
you.

445
00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:40,720
You know, I firmly believe that
for most people, their lives are

446
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:47,400
a series of inflection points
that if, if done properly, kind

447
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,240
of calibrate your, your compass,
if you will point you back

448
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,600
towards God.
So I've had several of those

449
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,640
inflection points.
The big 1 is when I decided to

450
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,120
be a Mormon period, right?
And I joined the LDS church.

451
00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:08,480
Well, I've never shared this
before on the podcast.

452
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,240
I've shared it with some other
people, but I'll I'll share it

453
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:20,800
here.
This was, this was about, this

454
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,520
was probably 3 or 4 months
before I met Amber.

455
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:31,000
I, I was in a dark place, I
mean, a real dark place.

456
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,560
I was abusing all sorts of
substances.

457
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,840
I mean, it was not great.
And one night we had been out

458
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,440
partying really hard, really
hard.

459
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:45,880
And it had gone on several days.
And I, I just gotten done

460
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,480
searching for God, right?
I honestly, I was more in the

461
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,720
camp of, of what a deist would
be, right?

462
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,240
And a deist is somebody that
believes God's kind of like a

463
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,880
clock maker, right?
He just starts creation, he

464
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,720
winds it up and then he becomes
disinterested, but he lets it

465
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,080
go.
And so that's honestly what like

466
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,280
I was like, OK, if a God exists,
I think he's probably a deist,

467
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,880
right?
Is, is kind of what, what my

468
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,560
thoughts were on that.
And so when you take that

469
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,840
approach, it's not necessarily
nihilistic, but it's damn close,

470
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,840
right?
Because it's a clockmaker and

471
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,920
he's disinterested in his
creation.

472
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,920
Well, then what standard do I
need to uphold, right?

473
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,640
It makes no sense.
And so I you know, that leads,

474
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,360
that leads to some questionable
decision making.

475
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,560
But this one stretch, I mean,
really going hard.

476
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,200
And I remember, I don't know if
it was just a combination of

477
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,920
lack of sleep and then all the
substances, or if maybe some of

478
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,640
the substances were bad, but it
was bad like I was.

479
00:27:53,720 --> 00:28:00,880
I was throwing up a lot and my
heart was racing cold sweats,

480
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,240
like I wasn't sure I was going
to pull through.

481
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,080
I was getting a little worried.
And I remember I went to the

482
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,440
bathroom because I thought I
just want to splash some cold

483
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:16,600
water on my face.
And I remember, and this is long

484
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,320
before I knew anything about
Mormonism, like I said, three or

485
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,040
four months before I met Amber.
And I remember I splashed water

486
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,320
on my face and I just kind of,
you know, wiped my face off.

487
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,440
I looked up in the mirror.
I was like, oh, David.

488
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,480
And as soon as I said my name,
it's like I could see every

489
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:40,160
messed up, screwed up thing I'd
ever done in addition to what it

490
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,880
must have felt like to the
person I offended.

491
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:48,760
And in that moment, I remember I
had this distinct idea that our

492
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,720
names are simply containers for
the deeds that we do.

493
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,800
That's why the Lord can call
your name and you know he's

494
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,880
talking to you because when he
says your name, it's an

495
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,000
illumination of all the things
that you have done.

496
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,720
And I remember I was startled
and I just remember looking in

497
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,440
the mirror and I said out loud
the words, I need a new name,

498
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,520
right?
Because I, I felt like I had

499
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:16,440
corrupted mine.
And so that was the first time I

500
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:21,240
remember thinking, Oh, God isn't
so distant as what I thought,

501
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,080
right?
Like this was something and.

502
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,680
You were feeling something and,
and that's no question, you're

503
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,840
starting to feel some trickle,
like this isn't just me here.

504
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:36,120
Right now my first thought was
oh crap, he does care.

505
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,960
I probably made some mistakes
here, right?

506
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:45,080
That was my first thought.
But the next morning I was

507
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,640
filled with hope again because
I'm like, OK, if he's out there

508
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,760
and that was from him, he wants
me to go find him right now.

509
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,800
I can move forward now.
I can go do some things.

510
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,200
And so that was the first time I
remember feeling a twinge of

511
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:06,200
something other than at if there
was a God, he was distant.

512
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,760
Now.
God, to me was like, no, I'm

513
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,640
trying to tell you something
here, youngster, and you're not

514
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,080
picking up what I'm putting
down.

515
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,680
And he really had to grab my
attention.

516
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,240
But that was kind of the.
But yeah, it was, it was hope,

517
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:19,280
right?
It was hope.

518
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,360
It was like out there.
And he's sending me a message.

519
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,840
There's got to be a way back.
And that was kind of it.

520
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,800
Still didn't think about
Mormonism.

521
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,240
I was like, yeah, I can't be it.
But nonetheless, I was like,

522
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,960
yeah, nonetheless, I felt like
he was out there and I could go

523
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,360
forward-looking for him.
Yeah, but then those are the

524
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,720
little steps forward, the little
steps that put into your mind

525
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,360
that you know what you do have A
God.

526
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,520
There's something else out there
that's speaking to you and and

527
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,440
you feel it.
It's not just you.

528
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,680
Right, 100% So I can, I can, I
can.

529
00:30:55,120 --> 00:31:02,360
And then when I did discover
Mormonism, what I look back and

530
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,120
I'm like, what, what is this
young man running from, right?

531
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,760
Because I remember praying
about, you know, is the gospel

532
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,920
true?
And I get my answer.

533
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,160
And and there's no vision.
There's no grand miraculous

534
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,800
thing like Joseph Smith.
But it's a knowing, right?

535
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,200
Like I remember getting up and
rather than being like, oh,

536
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,280
right, I figured it out.
I remember saying, Oh, crap,

537
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:32,360
right, Like no, no, I don't want
to be a Mormon, but but I

538
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:38,560
remember after my baptism, right
that that day after the baptism,

539
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:43,240
I remember I was I was not the
day after the baptism, the

540
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,960
baptism, I remember I am
standing in the font and I'm

541
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,280
listening to the words that the
speaker is saying, but I'm also

542
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,520
making a another covenant with
God as I'm in there, which is

543
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,360
I'll follow you wherever you
want me to go.

544
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,920
Don't care.
I'll go wherever it is.

545
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,800
I just don't ever want to have
to feel like I did before I

546
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,680
found out you were real.
So if you'll meet me in that,

547
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,800
I'll do whatever you want.
And that was pretty much the

548
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,360
starting point for how I got
here.

549
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:19,800
But but no, after that, yeah,
it's a feeling of being on fire,

550
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,280
right?
You want to tell everybody,

551
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,760
dude, you don't have to live
like that anymore.

552
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,000
Right you.
Don't got to do this.

553
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,000
Look what I found right.
And so there is that

554
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,680
overwhelming and, and I don't
think it's by happenstance that

555
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,400
when people first pick up the
gospel, their first inclination

556
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,960
is they want to tell everybody.
Yeah, yeah.

557
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,560
Right.
Don't think that's by

558
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,000
happenstance.
I don't think that is just a

559
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,080
happy accident, as our boy Bob
Ross used to say it is.

560
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:54,000
It's part of the plan, yeah.
Well, I like how, you know, Alma

561
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,240
kind of brings us back to that
too, is kind of our our reminder

562
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,880
in the scriptures.
You know, you read the Book of

563
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,480
Mormon and it just kind of wakes
you up and just he asked some of

564
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,240
the tough questions, you know,
he asks his people there in Alma

565
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,760
514.
Have you spiritually been born

566
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,760
of God?
Have you received His image in

567
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,640
your countenance and have ye
experienced a mighty change in

568
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,840
your heart?
And I would say yes, absolutely.

569
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:30,560
I ran around telling everybody
about Jesus and I ran right up

570
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,800
to my dad and gave him a hug.
And I hadn't talked to him and

571
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,160
felt positive thoughts about my
dad for a long time.

572
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,920
We didn't get along.
And every single person that I

573
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,960
had any challenge with or
frustration with arguments with

574
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,680
anything I'd ever done wrong, I
wanted to make it right right

575
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,080
then and apologize for any dumb
thing I said did what can I do

576
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,240
to make this right and just show
them love and, you know, come to

577
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,200
church, come to the gym with me,
you know, come, I'm going to the

578
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,200
ballet tonight, whatever.
I just wanted to include them in

579
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,600
life and, and just show love and
kindness in every way that I

580
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,239
could.
You know, he gets to Alma, then

581
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,560
asks, well, if you, you have
that, that, that feeling or if

582
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,360
you've had it once, you know,
can you feel, can you feel that

583
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:23,520
Now you know, this, these
scriptures right here are when I

584
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,639
had my missionary and my
spiritual experience there at

585
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:30,719
the Hilkomora pageant, I, I went
back to be in the pageant 3 more

586
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,800
times.
You know, the first time I was a

587
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,360
wicked priest.
You know, the next time I was

588
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,560
Joseph Smith.
Talk about a big transformation

589
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:42,880
as far as playing the the
character.

590
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:48,360
And I really did feel so
profoundly different as a person

591
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,239
and so much more connected to
Heavenly Father then.

592
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,160
But it was so nice to be around
so many other believers.

593
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,800
And that was one of the
questions that were asked often

594
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,240
in the talks that we would have
at the Hill Komora pageant.

595
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,800
And they would sing a song, you
know, about has the the

596
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,720
redeeming love filled your
heart.

597
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,160
That's one of the most popular
songs we would sing all the time

598
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,840
at the Hill Komora pageant.
I feel like that's those are the

599
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,160
questions and songs that we
should have in our heart often

600
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,080
as believers.
You know, he he gives the the

601
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,240
key to how this change of heart
works here with a couple

602
00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:30,280
questions.
He says, well, have you walked

603
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,960
keeping yourselves blameless
before God?

604
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,240
And that's kind of one that most
of us know as far as the church,

605
00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:40,160
you know, keep the commandments
that's been drilled into us.

606
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,040
But could you say if you were
called to die at this time

607
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,520
within yourself, have you been
sufficiently humble?

608
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,520
Maybe not.
You know, those are some of the

609
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,800
more challenging things that we
each have to deal with.

610
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,440
And, you know, do we get upset
in traffic?

611
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,480
You know, you know, how humble
and teachable are we?

612
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,800
How quick to anger are we those
kinds of things, You know, have

613
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,040
your garments been cleansed and
made white through the blood of

614
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,800
Christ?
Do we feel that?

615
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,440
Do we feel that inner peace that
comes like when we feel that

616
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,360
spirit kind of distill on us
when we've had sacrament and and

617
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,040
we've had a a real meaningful
prayer where we feel that

618
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:27,800
connection back again kind of a
thing, You know, Alma then gets

619
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,720
to several other questions he's
he asks, you know, are you

620
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:35,520
stripped of pride and envy?
You know, these are all the kind

621
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,280
of questions that you kind of
need to answer, you know, to

622
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,480
develop that Christ like
character.

623
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:50,800
I'm going to share a few more
personal things to kind of

624
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,760
assist the audience and knowing
who I am as a person.

625
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:59,960
I feel like every single one of
you, just to even be here means

626
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:03,720
that you have such an incredible
character and goodness and that

627
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:08,560
you're all sons and daughters of
our Father in heaven and that

628
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,720
your value is just so huge.
It's so huge.

629
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:18,600
But I'm going to share kind of
what some of the reasons and the

630
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,240
fundamentals of some of these
principles of the gospel and how

631
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,720
they've applied to me and why I
have a testimony of my Heavenly

632
00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:30,760
Father, why I have spiritual
witnesses of Him and feel His

633
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,880
love because I feel like every
single one of you can have the

634
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,760
same.
My patriarchal blessing says

635
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,720
that I'll be recognized for my
inner motivation to do good at

636
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:45,480
all times, to never be deceitful
or negative or proud.

637
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,360
You know the girls I dated, guys
I hired and worked with?

638
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,240
They've always said, you know
Corey, you are real, genuine,

639
00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:55,560
and authentic.
You're exactly who you say you

640
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,040
are.
I'm not about pretense,

641
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,320
posturing, or deception.
Joni will tell you I have no

642
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,240
jealousy, envy, or guile.
Growing up, I never bullied,

643
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:08,520
teased, made fun of, or
mistreated others.

644
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,800
I celebrate the success of
others and I have never stepped

645
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,320
on others to get ahead.
Literally, I can't imagine ever

646
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,600
doing that.
I've been married for seven

647
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,680
years now with Joni.
We have the best marriage I've

648
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,920
ever seen.
And you know I I'm know that it

649
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,720
can even be improved.
No question.

650
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,160
Our conversations on health,
politics and religion are

651
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,520
awesome.
We laugh and learn from each

652
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,800
other every day.
We work, eat, walk, bike and

653
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,840
sleep together almost every day.
Do I feel empowered to handle

654
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,480
anything when when I feel the
spirit strongly?

655
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,040
Yep.
Yep.

656
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,400
But I do at times feel anger and
frustration when I'm cold, tired

657
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,000
and hungry.
And I also have been the most

658
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,160
curious, eager personality I've
ever seen.

659
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,640
I've easily read 100 books a
year throughout my life and I

660
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,600
still feel like a little kid.
Because I want to.

661
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,560
I want it so much more that I
want to know.

662
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,200
I genuinely enjoy learning from
everyone.

663
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:18,560
I don't think there's anyone I
can't learn something from, and

664
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:23,640
I see incredible value in
everyone that's being teachable,

665
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:28,240
humble, and meek.
Yes, I'm excited because there's

666
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:32,200
so much to do and accomplish
that I haven't gotten to yet.

667
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:38,520
To stay on track, I read DNC 121
and Ezra Taft Benson's talk on

668
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,560
pride several times a year to
focus on increasing meekness and

669
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,320
charity.
And then we'll all summarize

670
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,960
meekness and charity in this
next little section with a bunch

671
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:54,120
of scriptures and thoughts.
And why I shared my personal and

672
00:39:54,120 --> 00:40:00,320
more story and character with
you is because of how important

673
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,520
that is in becoming like our
Father in Heaven and the

674
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,760
scriptures tell us to be.
You know, meanness and charity

675
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,720
are are massive and until I
spent a lot of this time on this

676
00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:16,240
topic, I haven't connected all
the dots into the reasons why

677
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:19,840
I've been able to get answers to
prayers more than a lot of my

678
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:25,000
friends who have said to me over
and over, God isn't listening.

679
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,960
I'm frustrated.
And I was like, well, heck,

680
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,840
there are times in my life I've
prayed, you know, 10 * 30 times,

681
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:35,840
you know, over several days and
didn't feel like I was getting

682
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:40,680
answers to prayer either.
Until I got to a place where I

683
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,200
didn't have the pride, where I
was humble enough, where I was

684
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,520
teachable enough.
And I'll share the scriptures to

685
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:52,240
define exactly what that means
so that I could get the answers.

686
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,960
They didn't come for me.
I was so, so very frustrated

687
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,240
when my best friend killed
himself as a teenager.

688
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:02,640
And I just looked up at the sky.
Kind of like how you, you know,

689
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,400
we're describing, you know, kind
of being a little bit, you know,

690
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,440
Deist, you know, God, if you're
there, you know, it would be so

691
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,480
great if you were because I sure
need help.

692
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,520
And I don't see the point of all
of this life at this point

693
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,280
anymore with all of the stuff
that I'm seeing go on.

694
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,720
And I felt a few little trickles
in my little heart too, kind of

695
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:25,760
like what you were describing.
And then I obviously had an

696
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,200
answer that that kind of fixed
that for me.

697
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:34,560
But could the your meekness as a
person, could your meekness as a

698
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,520
person provide you with the kind
of powerful armor and protection

699
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,920
that allows you the full access
to God's guidance in life?

700
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:49,560
You know, in Matthew 11, the
Savior refers to himself as meek

701
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:54,400
and lowly in heart.
That's one that you know should

702
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:59,280
keep very much close to us.
Note that the meek consider it a

703
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,440
privilege to serve others.
Or let's let's talk about meek

704
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,360
here a little bit.
Oftentimes I think meek gets

705
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,040
lumped in and people think it's
the same as being weak.

706
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,760
What's the difference between
being meek and being weak?

707
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,920
Well, I've got a, I've got a
Frank and Ernest cartoon that,

708
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,160
you know, where Frank, one of
the cartoon characters, he's

709
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,320
kind of a little bum and he
holds this little sign.

710
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:30,040
He says the meek shall inherit
the earth.

711
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,720
And then Frank says, well,
that's if that's if it's OK with

712
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:39,080
everyone else.
And so, yeah, it's often, it's

713
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,800
often associated meekness is
associated with being this weak,

714
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,280
wimpy, passive doormat that
everyone walks over.

715
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:50,280
And yet Jesus is himself is
saying I'm meek and lowly of

716
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:55,720
heart, a doormat.
OK, what specifically about

717
00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:58,480
Jesus seems like a doormat
because he actually went right

718
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,320
up to the Sadducees and
Pharisees and told him you were

719
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:07,840
a pit of Vipers and threw over
tables in the temple and and

720
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:13,920
basically went against anytime
he saw injustices anytime he saw

721
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,120
something that they weren't
living the gospel.

722
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:20,520
You're not taking care of the
poor and the widows and the

723
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:25,000
orphans and Dang it, you were
making my father's house.

724
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,160
You know, this basically den of
thieves.

725
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,320
No, no, no, that's not a
doormat.

726
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:35,600
That's not someone who's weak.
That's someone who stands for

727
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:41,400
for right righteousness.
You know, Christ, it says in

728
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,480
Philippians, he humbled himself
and became obedient unto death.

729
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,640
I'm going to get into this topic
quite a bit more here because

730
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,040
the misunderstanding on this is
so deep that I feel like OK,

731
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,840
there's there's a several
scriptures and examples that are

732
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:00,360
really needed to be shared on
this one of all all of the

733
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,760
topics to understand gospel
wise.

734
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,880
The thing that will bring you
closest to your Father in

735
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:11,080
heaven, and I want everyone in
this audience to know this is

736
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:15,160
your meekness, your
teachableness, your humbleness,

737
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:20,840
your goodness in that way of
being open to receiving Heavenly

738
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,720
Father's blessings.
Oh, he wants to give you all of

739
00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:26,440
his blessings.
How can he if you're too smart

740
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,680
for it?
How can he if you just refuse to

741
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,040
let that love in your heart
because you're angry at someone,

742
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:38,120
You're so angry that you won't
allow him to, to, to fill your

743
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,840
heart with things.
And so I've got some really

744
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,400
great definitions that the
scriptures have kind of shared

745
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,200
and some of the stories to just
fill in some of these gaps.

746
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,960
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747
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,920
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I thought it was awesome that

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It was an idea that once I had

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meekness in particular.
Yes, yes, yeah.

784
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:52,880
You know I don't you made a
statement and I don't

785
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,680
necessarily disagree with it,
right?

786
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:00,200
That being meek can bring us
that much closer to our Heavenly

787
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,560
Father I That's it's a bold
statement, but I don't think

788
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,920
it's an untrue statement.
So let me ask you this in your

789
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,760
in your estimation, can you
still be confident and meek at

790
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,160
the same time?
Oh yeah, absolutely.

791
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,520
Yeah.
The meekness is absolutely what

792
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:21,320
will bring the confidence and
and there are actually some

793
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,560
scriptures that do connect these
dots, so I want to share those

794
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,000
connecting.
Scriptures.

795
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,760
Let's dive into that.
That bring this whole story

796
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,680
together in a way that I'm not
seeing shared.

797
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,720
You know, I looking at all of
the conference talks that I

798
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:40,600
could being kind of a graduate,
if you will, of the LDS

799
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,920
institute classes that are out
there.

800
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,320
This.
I feel like I'm learning more to

801
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,320
add to that whole conversation
here with this today.

802
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,840
Right.
The word for humble in Hebrew is

803
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,760
Annie, which is poor, afflicted,
and shepal, which is low and

804
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,320
brought low.
So almost always used to

805
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,720
describe someone who's been
humbled by the circumstances or

806
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:12,480
by the Lord or someone that
chooses to stay low before God.

807
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,920
And that also does once they've
had challenges in their life,

808
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,280
they still continue that.
And Christ, he says, you know,

809
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,160
in Philippians that he was
humbled and became obedient unto

810
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:27,200
death in Philippians 28.
So he had that, that element of

811
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,960
humility as well where he was
going to stay low.

812
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,000
And yeah, we may get to some
other scriptures where I go into

813
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:41,400
that a bit deeper Now.
I was born in a military base,

814
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,480
spent two in the Civil Air
Patrol, three ROTC training for

815
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:50,120
war with the Army Ranger team
for for also at Nellis Air Base.

816
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,160
Yet I personally have been
accused of being a pacifist

817
00:48:54,160 --> 00:49:00,840
because I'm anti war.
But I I can't tolerate

818
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,440
injustice, tyranny, abuse,
threats, theft and violence in a

819
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:06,880
corrupt society.
I can't.

820
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,400
Not because I'm quick to anger,
but because I think a follower

821
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:17,640
of Jesus had the duty to protect
others and stop those who take

822
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,840
life, liberty and property.
You know, by fraud and force.

823
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:26,280
You know, if you look at some of
our heroes in the Scriptures,

824
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,560
Exodus 2, Moses sees an
Egyptian.

825
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:34,520
This Egyptian is oppressively
beating a Hebrew slave.

826
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,240
And well, he looks around and he
didn't see anyone.

827
00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:43,880
So he slew the Egyptian and hit
him in the sand, suggesting he

828
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,400
knew the ACT was a crime.
Still did it.

829
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,920
Still would not allow this abuse
in front of him to happen.

830
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,160
When the Pharaoh heard about it,
Moses fled to Midian.

831
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,760
First thing Moses does is he
goes to a well in Midian and

832
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,280
sees another injustice.
Shepherds are driving away the

833
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,320
flocks from the seven daughters
of rule.

834
00:50:07,240 --> 00:50:12,080
Moses gets right up off of the
the well come to the rescue and

835
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:16,480
waters their flock.
We'll we'll get to Moses again

836
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:21,440
here in a moment, but note that
the opposite of meekness is

837
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:28,000
pride.
Ezrath Benson, he says that most

838
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,520
of us think of pride as self
centeredness, conceit,

839
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,360
boastfulness, arrogance, or
hiding us well.

840
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,440
All those are elements of the
sin, but the the heart or core

841
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,840
is still missing.
The central feature of pride is

842
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,640
enmity, enmity towards God and
our fellow man.

843
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:49,960
That means this enmity is a
hatred toward, hostility for, or

844
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:55,760
being in a state of opposition.
This pride is a damning sin in

845
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,240
the true sense of that word.
It limits or stops progression.

846
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,160
In Alma 12, he says the proud
are not easily taught.

847
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,360
First, Nephi says they won't
change their minds to accept

848
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,080
truths because to do so implies
they've been wrong.

849
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,360
Our degree of pride determines
how we treat our God and our

850
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,760
brothers and sisters.
Christ wants to lift us to where

851
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,600
He is.
Do we desire to do the same for

852
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:26,960
others?
3rd Nephi 612 says pride

853
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,920
separates and divides us by the
ranks according to our riches

854
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:34,800
and our chances for learning.
The unity of Zion is impossible

855
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,760
for a proud people unless we
become one minded.

856
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:45,560
We're not the Lords and this is
shared in Messiah 1821, DNC

857
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:50,520
3827, DNC one O 5, two through 4
and Moses 718.

858
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:56,000
All those principles about how
important if we're ever going to

859
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,400
have Zion, it's going to be
because, you know, we're not

860
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,640
proud of the people.
Well, just think about what

861
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,960
pride has cost you and what's it
what's it costing you?

862
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:09,160
Now?
I know that probably any of my

863
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,400
mistakes relationship wise have
been, you know, attached to

864
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,800
pride in some way.
Just have and, and also anytime

865
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,840
that I haven't learned as
quickly, it's because I haven't

866
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:28,560
been as as humble and teachable
as I needed to be.

867
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,040
I needed to be more open.
I needed to show up at church.

868
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,280
Kind of like what you said, you
know, pointing at the other guy.

869
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:40,600
Well, that wasn't that great of
a talk, you know, But you still

870
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,520
would feel the Spirit of the
Lord if you went there with your

871
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:50,040
plate absolutely available.
You are coming there.

872
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,800
Fill my plate for me, Heavenly
Father.

873
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,240
Yeah.
Those are the things that get in

874
00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:02,120
the way from us from having so
many of the things that that

875
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,000
that heavenly Father wants to
give us all of those gifts and

876
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:11,640
they're lengthy and DNC 5843.
Think of the repentance, the

877
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,760
lives changed, the marriages
preserve, the home strengthened.

878
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,360
If pride didn't keep us from
confessing our sins and

879
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:22,200
forsaking them, the proud.
They don't want God or anyone

880
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:29,000
else directing their life.
Yet Messiah 319 and Alma 1328

881
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,600
will they invite you to yield to
the enticings of the Holy

882
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,160
Spirit, put off the prideful
natural man and become a St.

883
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,080
through the atonement of Christ
the Lord become like a child,

884
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:46,360
submissive, meek, and humble.
In the words of CS Lewis, pride

885
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,640
gets no pleasure out of having
something, only out of having

886
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,240
more of it than the next man.
It's the comparison that makes

887
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:55,600
you proud, the pleasure of being
above the rest.

888
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,480
Once that element of competition
is gone, pride is gone.

889
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,360
And that's in From Mere
Christianity.

890
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,760
You know, pride is one of those
things.

891
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:11,160
This is I've looked at, it's so
detrimental to relationships.

892
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:18,760
If you're going to be in a
relationship, especially a

893
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:24,960
romantic one with with your wife
or your husband, you, you have

894
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,520
to be vulnerable, right?
Yeah.

895
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,480
Pride doesn't make allowances
for that, right?

896
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,520
And vulnerability, especially
for the fellows.

897
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,520
That's a scary place to be.
Yes, it really is much more.

898
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,360
You're basically, yeah, it's
you're basically exposing

899
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,360
yourself to being hurt, right
there is that thing.

900
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:51,920
And so that kind of pride, not
only is it detrimental in the in

901
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,080
the eternities, it's, it's
detrimental here to the

902
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,760
relationships that we we try to
foster, that we want to last for

903
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,880
the eternities.
And it becomes a pretty big

904
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,200
detriment.
And you can't hear the spirit at

905
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,880
that point, like it's, it's so
pervasive that it would be next

906
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,960
to impossible.
And putting on that breastplate

907
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,560
of righteousness with a prideful
heart.

908
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,200
Totally, Yeah, You won't have
the protection, you won't, you

909
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,200
won't, you won't have that
conduit, the conduits not there.

910
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,960
And you know, there were some
other scriptures that I thought

911
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:28,360
really share and and make even
stronger connections on this

912
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,240
couple of the the conversations
here because it intertwines a

913
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:34,200
lot with charity too.
So you have that meekness and

914
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,400
charity.
That's kind of the next topic

915
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:42,240
here.
Let's look at the charity word

916
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,400
in Greek.
It's called agape.

917
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,440
It's a gift from God.
It's something that you don't

918
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,200
get on your own.
We don't.

919
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:55,920
We're not born with that level.
We have family love and friend

920
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,560
love, brotherly love and some of
the other types of love, but not

921
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:04,040
the gift from God love.
And yet it's, it's a

922
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:08,280
prerequisite for standing with
confidence in front of God, with

923
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:12,160
confidence, mind you, how many
of us feel confident right now?

924
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,840
And if God were to come and
visit us, you know, right now,

925
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:22,120
you know, you know, Joey and I,
we've had some really lengthy

926
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,920
conversations all week because
it's just been on our mind so

927
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,400
much.
It's like you could get bogged

928
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,120
down with, I've got the bills to
pay, it's Christmas.

929
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:36,000
We have all of these things that
are just spinning.

930
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,720
We're trying to get a new
company going and it is just it

931
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:43,520
takes our time from our
connection to our Father in

932
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,680
heaven.
And we have to remind ourselves,

933
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,960
Oh, we get our scriptures in, in
the evenings and, and in the

934
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,960
mornings for Joni and sometimes
throughout the day for me.

935
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,720
But that's sometimes not, it's
not enough to just have those

936
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:00,080
few moments.
It's not like I'm feeling like

937
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:04,480
my cup is brimming and flowing
over, you know, like I've

938
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,520
arrived, I'm feeling the spirit,
you know, and that kind of a

939
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,880
moment we're like, no, it's like
I'm so busy riding advertising

940
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,440
and marketing.
I sometimes feel that distance

941
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:15,720
and I just.
Hi.

942
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,880
Hi.
How did I get so distant in a

943
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,640
day where I'm not feeling that
love of God in my heart all the

944
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,360
time?
You know, for the first few

945
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:28,160
weeks of having my spiritual
conversion, I had it every day

946
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,080
for weeks.
And now it's like it.

947
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,520
I have to earn it.
I have to work harder to have

948
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:35,320
it.
I feel.

949
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,960
And how interesting, you know,
But then, but then what I didn't

950
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:46,280
notice for a good while was that
once you start going up the hill

951
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,200
and you're starting to develop
character more like your Father

952
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:54,040
in heaven, you, you, you, you
improve who you are.

953
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,880
And you don't always see that
you're actually improving and

954
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,560
you're making that those little
incline steps.

955
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,080
And so you don't, you don't
actually fall down to what the

956
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,240
person you were before, you
really are going up, but you

957
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,680
sometimes don't see it and you
feel more distant because it's

958
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,120
not the pinnacle that you you
were used to exactly.

959
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,480
You're not seeing it or feeling
it to that degree.

960
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:22,600
You know, there's there's you
talked about how would we feel

961
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,240
if we were in the presence of
the Savior right now?

962
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,080
Yeah.
And I remember there was a

963
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:35,560
gentleman that I knew years ago,
deeply devout to his religion,

964
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,840
and we were talking about
something similar.

965
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,400
And he asked me a very similar
question.

966
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,320
Like, how would you feel if the
savior appeared right now?

967
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,560
And I'm like, well, scared,
right?

968
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:50,960
Like.
Yeah, yeah.

969
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,600
Because he's gone, right?
Like he's going to, he's going

970
00:58:53,600 --> 00:59:00,800
to see, see everything.
And he said it's because he can

971
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,560
see everything that I really do
want to meet him.

972
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,440
And at first I thought he was
making kind of a prideful thing,

973
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,040
right?
I'm like, oh, so you think

974
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,040
you're that good?
He's like, no, I just realized I

975
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:19,520
need the doctor that badly.
Yeah, such a good perspective.

976
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:24,240
And I was like, whoo.
And there was another guy that I

977
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,160
heard once and I've used this
before.

978
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,880
I love.
That as you were talking about,

979
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:34,640
you know, starting up that hill,
the closer we get to the Savior

980
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:41,640
and I can, I can, this is true.
The the closer I feel to the

981
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:46,440
savior, the more his light
illuminates my flaws, right?

982
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:53,480
And so I think it's important to
have those perspectives as as

983
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,640
we, we, we start looking towards
that, right?

984
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,920
And we start looking towards the
Savior.

985
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:04,560
It's a very clever ploy that the
adversary used in the Garden of

986
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:10,040
Eden on Adam, right?
Adam, what does he tell Adam?

987
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:14,120
Oh, you, you messed up, man.
God's coming.

988
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,360
You better hide.
Better hide, right?

989
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,360
God gets there.
Adam's God gets there.

990
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:28,200
And he's calling for Adam now.
Look, this is a heavenly God.

991
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,800
This is somebody who knows
what's going to happen.

992
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:36,840
And so he, I can't imagine he's
truly surprised, right?

993
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:44,760
But nonetheless, even in Adam's
transgression, Adam's God is

994
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:53,440
still seeking him out.
And we have to remember that

995
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,560
clever ploy by the adversary
because it's 1 he still employs

996
01:00:56,560 --> 01:01:00,040
today, right?
Oh, you, you messed, you messed

997
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:01,200
up.
You're too far gone.

998
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,760
Just give this up.
Just be comfortable in your sin.

999
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,040
That's just who you are.
And is it really a sin?

1000
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:11,960
I mean, come on, right?
It's it's, it's a very clever

1001
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:15,520
ploy in hiding that he he
employs and getting us to hide

1002
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:20,480
from God.
And I've said this, we should

1003
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,440
want an encounter with the
divine.

1004
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:29,960
It's the promise of Mormonism.
And and if, if we're not, we

1005
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,440
shouldn't be seeking signs.
But if we're not looking to

1006
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,680
deepen that relationship in such
personal way, I think we aren't.

1007
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:41,200
We aren't doing Mormonism quite
right, just in my opinion.

1008
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:46,200
Totally nails it and totally
nailed it there and and very

1009
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,760
much where this entire
conversation is going.

1010
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,080
Like I just said, charity is the
prerequisite for standing, you

1011
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,240
know, with confidence before
God.

1012
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:03,440
The scripture that you know in
Romans 555 profound.

1013
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:09,880
This is about how because only a
heart that has been emptied of

1014
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:13,320
pride has room for the pure love
of Christ to be poured into it.

1015
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:19,440
That's really like to me, one of
the most profound concepts.

1016
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:24,400
If we have that pride in the way
we can't make room for the gold,

1017
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:29,000
the silver, the jewels in life,
the the greatest blessings that

1018
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:34,880
God has to give us.
We can't have scriptural

1019
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:42,160
scriptural proof of this chain.
DNC 4-5 and six Faith, hope,

1020
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,680
charity, and love with an eye
single to the glory of God,

1021
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:47,360
qualify him for the work.
That's a major missionary

1022
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,360
scripture.
You know your eye single to the

1023
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,760
glory of God.
But how important charity is to

1024
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:57,440
this.
DNC 12497.

1025
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,000
The Lord calls his servants meek
and lowly before he fills them

1026
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:07,600
with charity.
It's before Moses 733 Enoch's

1027
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:12,080
people were of 1 heart and mind
only after they became the most

1028
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,960
humble of all men.
Wow.

1029
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,800
First Corinthians 13/8 Paul says
charity never fails.

1030
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,080
Charity outlasts every other
gift or virtue.

1031
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:28,720
Persisting into the eternities.
It's love that forgets itself.

1032
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:35,120
Right. 4:00 and 5:00 It's
willing to suffer and do hard

1033
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:36,640
things.
It's kindness.

1034
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:40,040
It does not envy.
It is not prideful and selfish.

1035
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,720
It rejoices in and is excited by
truth.

1036
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,920
It bears, believes, hopes and
endures all things.

1037
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,400
You know, mind you that you
know, I'm a marketing guy.

1038
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:56,280
I'm going to share the
scriptures in the most easy to

1039
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,160
understand way that I possibly
can.

1040
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,480
And I always did that, even as a
missionary.

1041
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:04,800
I would try to sum it up in my
words, not trying to devalue the

1042
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,160
scriptures in any way because
they're super poetic.

1043
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,560
But most of the time, you know,
in, in Virginia, if I was

1044
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,360
speaking to a preacher, I would
speak to him straight from the

1045
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,880
King James Version Bible.
But if I was speaking to a

1046
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:20,120
family that may not have
familiarity with the Bible, I

1047
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:24,640
would absolutely paraphrase and
paraphrase and try to make it as

1048
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,920
simple as I could for them to
realize that they have a God

1049
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:31,480
that loves them and give them
the stories from the the Book of

1050
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:36,040
Mormon as simple as I could
possibly make it for them so

1051
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,720
that they would have as much
understanding as they could.

1052
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:43,080
And yeah, and so I'm hopefully
that's not something that

1053
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:47,280
bothers anybody.
But first, Peter 48 charity

1054
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,720
covers a multitude of sins.
Don't we forgive our children,

1055
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,000
parents and friends for dumb
mistakes they make with

1056
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,920
charitable intentions?
I mean, I do.

1057
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:02,520
Yeah, yeah.
You know, that again, plays such

1058
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,840
an important role.
We need forgiveness all the

1059
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:12,600
time, or at least I do.
And it would be a pretty

1060
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,120
ineffective plan if forgiveness
wasn't part of it.

1061
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:23,240
The genius of the plan that that
God has set up for his children

1062
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:26,640
is, is a remarkable one.
You're going to get to go down.

1063
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,400
You're going to get to make a
bunch of mistakes.

1064
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,200
But it's OK.
I know how to get you back.

1065
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,440
And it's through those mistakes
that you're going to learn.

1066
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,600
You're going to learn between
good and evil.

1067
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:40,400
You're going to learn all sorts
of lessons that are going to be

1068
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,160
pertinent for you and the
eternities.

1069
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,920
But forgiveness has to be there
and it's got to be there for our

1070
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:54,000
personal relationships as well.
Forgiveness can be, can be

1071
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,520
tough.
And, and I think it's important

1072
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:59,720
here to talk about what
forgiveness looks like.

1073
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,720
There's, there's, there's a
school of thought out there that

1074
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:05,640
that says, oh, no, somebody
offends you.

1075
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,080
Well, just forgive them and
bring them back to your table.

1076
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:11,240
And sometimes that can be, can
absolutely work.

1077
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:17,480
But forgiveness doesn't always
mean, doesn't always mean that

1078
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:19,680
everything's going to be OK in
that relationship.

1079
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:24,280
Sometimes forgiveness is just
learning to let it go, right?

1080
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,160
Just being like, yeah, you know,
there there's a type of

1081
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:30,960
forgiveness where you just say,
I'm not going to worry about it

1082
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,240
anymore.
I'm just going to release this

1083
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,920
and let the Lord deal with this.
Because if you hold on to it,

1084
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:40,800
you ultimately damn yourself.
Totally, totally.

1085
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,120
Those are the things, you know,
big the biggest lessons ever.

1086
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:48,520
There was a a guy that actually
was picking a fight with me,

1087
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,400
barely sizable, but I was in
good shape, so I was not

1088
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:58,160
worried.
But this guy was borderline.

1089
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:05,680
He was going to try and rob me
and I really felt like letting

1090
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:10,200
him have it.
And I just stepped back for a

1091
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:14,000
moment and I just collected
myself.

1092
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:18,400
I asked someone, someone else,
you know, what on earth is this

1093
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,240
guy trying to pick a fight with
me for?

1094
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:24,800
Why?
And they proceeded to tell me

1095
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:32,960
that this guy had basically had
the most terrible life I've ever

1096
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,120
heard.
The things that happened to him

1097
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,200
as a child.
He was molested, beaten,

1098
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:43,080
basically the worst horror
stories I've pretty much heard

1099
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:48,320
about another human being being
treated in life who he just was

1100
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:53,520
stuck in his childhood trauma
and was trying to pick a fight

1101
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:57,960
with the guy.
I have no idea how and why all

1102
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:04,480
those things happened, but I was
literally in tears after hearing

1103
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:09,000
what this man had experienced
growing up.

1104
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:13,680
I could not look at him the
same.

1105
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:18,200
As vile and mean spirited as he
was to have tried to pick a

1106
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:20,359
fight with me the way he did, he
really was mean.

1107
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:22,920
Like you would understand, you
know?

1108
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:28,240
Anybody would understand if I'd
have punched him like that would

1109
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:32,359
have made plenty of sense.
But the thing that struck me the

1110
01:08:32,359 --> 01:08:37,840
most is how I literally was in
tears after hearing what had

1111
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,720
happened to him because it was
so bad.

1112
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,760
Once I understood that, it
changed my heart completely

1113
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:48,560
toward him even though I feel
like he was not a a good person.

1114
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,120
Like you say, there's some
people you just need to stay

1115
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:53,640
away from, but I had the
ultimate of compassion.

1116
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,120
I don't think I could have had
any more compassion and charity

1117
01:08:56,120 --> 01:09:00,000
for the guy after hearing that.
I literally was just completely

1118
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,760
changed.
And when I I thought about that,

1119
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:06,359
that's been a life lesson for
me.

1120
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:11,080
And I'm sharing that with
everyone here because we don't

1121
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:12,760
know what the other person has
gone through.

1122
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:17,200
Until I heard that from the the
guy who knew specifics from an

1123
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:21,720
actual neighbor who knew his
story, I could have I would have

1124
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:25,399
never understood why this guy
was coming at me the way he was

1125
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:28,760
or how he would treat other
people angrily, angrily.

1126
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:33,880
How would you not feel angry
towards society that had beaten

1127
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:38,000
and abused you from the age of 2
or than an infant the way he

1128
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:42,160
was?
It's like, wow, I those are the

1129
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:45,040
things we need to keep in mind
about our brothers and sisters

1130
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,319
around us.
That they have gone through some

1131
01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:51,279
things and some of them have
been so horrifying that you

1132
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:54,880
can't possibly judge them
rightly without having the

1133
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,680
spirit of the Lord in your life
to just really set you straight

1134
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:03,760
on that.
You know, let me ask you this

1135
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:06,720
question.
Suppose you'd reared back and

1136
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:08,240
clocked him.
Do you think you would have

1137
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:09,920
changed?
You think you could have been

1138
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:11,720
effective at changing his heart
through that?

1139
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:13,840
No way.
No way.

1140
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,000
I I could have gone to jail over
it and he could have gone to

1141
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:18,320
jail.
It could have been something I

1142
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:22,040
could have hurt him.
I would have felt bad if I'd

1143
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:24,360
have hurt, injured him, you
know, like sent him to the

1144
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:26,560
hospital or I'd been sent to the
hospital.

1145
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,240
Those things can happen in
fights and.

1146
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:32,800
The decision and and that
decision wouldn't have made made

1147
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,160
an impact on his life.
I don't think it would have

1148
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,840
changed his life whatsoever and
it could have changed mine

1149
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,880
really badly.
You know, Gandhi had an

1150
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,400
interesting, had something
interesting to say about the New

1151
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:47,640
Testament.
Yeah, two things that he said.

1152
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:53,440
One of them was is he's like, if
if you got a few Christians

1153
01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:56,280
would just live what's in the
New Testament, there wouldn't be

1154
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:58,440
another Hindu in all of India,
right?

1155
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,920
Yeah.
The other thing he said is you

1156
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:05,240
Christians don't understand what
you have in in the New

1157
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:08,000
Testament.
You have a book of revolution.

1158
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,560
And I was like, I read that and
I was like, cool.

1159
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:13,200
It's like, what do you mean by
that?

1160
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:19,440
So I read a little further and
he said Jesus was the most

1161
01:11:19,480 --> 01:11:23,920
effective revolutionary because
he was nonviolent.

1162
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:30,040
And he said, and he made he, he,
he, he was unapologetic for it.

1163
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:34,440
He's like for me and the crew
that rolls with me, we, we use

1164
01:11:34,440 --> 01:11:37,440
the, the New Testament, right?
That's, that's what we base it

1165
01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:40,760
on.
If if we look at Martin Luther

1166
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:45,880
King Junior, there's a great
account from his life where he's

1167
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:49,560
standing up on stage and
somebody gets up on stage and

1168
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,520
just clocks him right in the
face.

1169
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:58,840
And he he backs up and his
security starts to rush him and

1170
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,560
he just puts his hand up like
stop, right?

1171
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:03,200
He tells the security to back
down.

1172
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,200
The man hits him, hits him like
3 more times.

1173
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:12,440
And finally King gets up from
the last one and says, are we

1174
01:12:12,440 --> 01:12:15,560
ready to talk now?
Like, what is bothering you?

1175
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:21,000
Right.
Turned the guy right there in

1176
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:24,440
that moment.
But that was King's ploy, right?

1177
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:30,520
King made his followers sign a
contract before they would they

1178
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:34,080
would March with him where it
says where he was.

1179
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:37,720
Like, you need to study the New
Testament, especially the the

1180
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:41,920
Beatitudes daily.
And you need to sign this pledge

1181
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:45,400
of nonviolence because it's only
works if we're nonviolent.

1182
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:49,560
He had enough trust in the
American people that if they saw

1183
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:52,640
the plight that they were in,
they would turn the tide.

1184
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:56,320
And he was right.
And so to your point on this,

1185
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,920
right, And it does kind of tie
in with forgiveness.

1186
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:04,560
Sometimes the, the, the slight
that was suffered by an

1187
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:10,320
individual because of the
actions are another you, you

1188
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:13,160
don't necessarily need to
forget, right?

1189
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:16,000
There's nowhere in the Bible
where at least I can remember

1190
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,160
that says forgive and forget,
definitely says forgive, but not

1191
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:22,200
forget.
And sometimes somebody who's

1192
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:26,200
going to do a horrible thing,
the wise move is to stay away

1193
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,080
from that person.
But you can still extend

1194
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,160
forgiveness without even talking
to right.

1195
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:37,400
But it also allows you to have
the best opportunity to make a

1196
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:40,680
positive impact in changing,
helping to change that person.

1197
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:49,240
Yeah, I don't know that in the
circumstance I described that I

1198
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:51,800
could have changed his heart
because of all the damage and

1199
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,200
hurt that he's experienced in
his life.

1200
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:57,440
But you know, and I do know that
the majority of people around

1201
01:13:57,440 --> 01:14:01,080
would have been absolutely like,
yeah, he had a common, if you'd

1202
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:04,320
have hit him, you know, we, we
understand and we would have hit

1203
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:06,680
him for sure.
I would say by landslide

1204
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,960
majority with what he had said
and the circumstances that he

1205
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,600
came up to me and how he how he
approached me and got right on

1206
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:16,360
my face the way he did.
But did that make the world a

1207
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:17,840
better place?
Absolutely not.

1208
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,320
And I'm so glad that I listened
to the impression that I got

1209
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:24,280
just to step back.
Heavenly Father does guide us.

1210
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,360
And and that was one where I
felt like Heavenly Father just

1211
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:31,240
gave me just a little bit of a
nudge and I stepped back and it

1212
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:32,840
was like, Hey, you know what, do
your thing.

1213
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:38,520
And I don't have any anything
but sadness for him and

1214
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,120
compassion just completes
compassion for him.

1215
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:47,320
No anger or anything like that
doesn't mean a thing to me.

1216
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:50,520
If anybody felt like I was being
a wuss or something like that at

1217
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:54,800
that moment.
No, no, that's, that's not how I

1218
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,840
see him and those kind of
circumstances at all.

1219
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:04,160
You know, John 1513 is kind of
like the the popular, you know,

1220
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:07,120
seminarian Institute scripture
where he says, you know, greater

1221
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:10,880
love hath no man than this, that
a man lay down his life for his

1222
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,520
friends.
Jesus himself defines this

1223
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,200
charity as the charity of the
willingness to give everything,

1224
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:19,120
even life himself for others,
life itself for others,

1225
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,720
especially defending what's
right, true and good.

1226
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:28,840
DNC 12145 Joseph in Liberty
Liberty Jail says there's only

1227
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,280
one way the priesthood power can
be managed.

1228
01:15:32,440 --> 01:15:36,480
The divine key to managing the
priesthood power of God is this.

1229
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:41,240
Let thy bowels also be full of
charity towards all men.

1230
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:45,400
Then shall thy confidence wax
strong in the presence of God.

1231
01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:50,360
This charity is not an emotion,
the act of giving or A5O1C3.

1232
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:54,360
It's the actual substance of the
glorified exalted heart.

1233
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:02,680
That's the attributes of God,
that's who He is to the core,

1234
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:07,120
and that's how He loves us as
His children.

1235
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,800
Every single person who's
listening to this, I'm hopeful

1236
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:14,440
that you start to recognize your
value because it's infinite.

1237
01:16:14,440 --> 01:16:19,040
You are a child, literally of
God who can develop this kind of

1238
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:20,400
character.
I'm going to get to some of

1239
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,920
these wonderful thoughts here in
a moment on this that really go

1240
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:29,000
deeper on onto it, but my
question is why?

1241
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:31,520
Why did the Lord show himself to
Moses?

1242
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:35,720
Why was Moses chosen to lead the
children of Israel?

1243
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:40,000
Why did he have those kinds of
experiences that set him apart

1244
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:45,880
instead of the next guy?
The Bible tells us in Numbers 12

1245
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:50,760
three that Moses was teachable,
humble, gentle and meek above

1246
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:55,520
all the men on earth.
Moses was a man without guile,

1247
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,720
meaning he was honest and
sincere.

1248
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:01,160
He was a man without deceitful
thinking and behavior.

1249
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:10,320
So that sincerity is is the key.
93 DNC 9311 of my favorite

1250
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,920
Scriptures.
And I think that very much the

1251
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:19,040
cornerstone that you had just
mentioned of, of the fundamental

1252
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:23,320
restoration principle, that
every soul who forsakes his sins

1253
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:27,240
and comes to me, calls my name,
obeys my voice and keeps my

1254
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:31,480
commandments, will see my face
and know that I am.

1255
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:44,480
What a beautiful scripture,
every soul, you, me, everyone

1256
01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:50,640
listening to this Matthew 5/8
and the Sermon on the Mount,

1257
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:53,800
Jesus goes into it a bit more.
Says blessed are the pure in

1258
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:57,640
heart for they shall see God.
Says it again, the Savior,

1259
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:01,280
emphasizing that a clean
conscience and sincere inner

1260
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:05,680
free life and inner life free
from deceit and division is what

1261
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,480
truly matters, not our outward
actions or appearances.

1262
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,600
Purity is what allows a person
to have a direct relationship

1263
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:15,080
with God, even the ultimate
reward of seeing Him.

1264
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:18,920
Jesus is more concerned with
your spiritual center, your

1265
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:22,320
thoughts, your desires and will
represented by your heart.

1266
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,600
The pure and heart are sincere
and truthful in their allegiance

1267
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:29,760
to God.
Their heart is not divided where

1268
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,240
they care more about their
appearance, position, or

1269
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,800
possessions.
They're not about pretending to

1270
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:36,440
be holy.
They're genuinely seeking a

1271
01:18:36,440 --> 01:18:40,080
relationship with God.
Well, how do you achieve this

1272
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,280
purity?
Well, it's really not something

1273
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:46,000
you achieve on your own, through
your will, or following the laws

1274
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,360
and rules alone.
It involves being cleansed and

1275
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:53,000
sanctified by the Holy Spirit,
God's pruning and refining fire.

1276
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:57,960
This purity only comes as a gift
from sincere desire and prayer.

1277
01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:02,040
It comes by asking God in faith
to be guided by his Holy Spirit

1278
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:05,120
and filled with charity to
better serve your brothers and

1279
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:10,680
sisters in the name of Jesus.
The pure and heart are perfect

1280
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:13,040
like Job because they seek the
Lord's will.

1281
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:18,360
Jesus's brother James 5, 10
through 11 mentions this

1282
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:23,880
patience of Job, and in Job One
one Job is introduced as a man

1283
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:28,720
who was perfect and upright, who
feared God and his chewed evil.

1284
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:34,320
The word perfect in this context
is the Greek Telios again, which

1285
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:37,520
means the blameless, sincere and
complete or whole in integrity.

1286
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:42,000
Not sinless in the modern sense,
but complete in his devotion and

1287
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:46,800
adherence to God's standards.
Being God fearing in Hebrew

1288
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:51,400
Phobos means deep reverence, awe
and respect for God, leading to

1289
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:54,960
a life of obedience to divine
laws, moral righteousness, and

1290
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:57,840
submission to His will.
Rather than being terrified of

1291
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:07,000
punishment.
To eschew in Greek aklino means

1292
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,440
to turn away, to put away, shun
and avoid.

1293
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:18,640
Those are.
Just important ideas to kind of

1294
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:23,240
keep in mind as as we kind of
navigate the Scriptures, you

1295
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:25,600
know, for ourselves and see, you
know, how do we liken this to

1296
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:28,760
ourself?
You know, Job 1925.

1297
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:31,440
He, he says, you know, well, I
know my Redeemer lives and that

1298
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:35,920
he will soon stand on the earth.
Well, even though worms will

1299
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,880
destroy my body and the flesh, I
shall see God.

1300
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:43,720
He has confidence in that, and
there's a reason he has that

1301
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:50,360
confidence, because he feels
that complete humility and

1302
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:55,520
trust.
He's not making himself out to

1303
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:57,880
be better.
He's sincere and he knows that

1304
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:02,000
Heavenly Father rewards the
sincere seeker of truth.

1305
01:21:03,480 --> 01:21:05,560
You know, when you think about
what it means to be a Christian,

1306
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:11,360
a follower of Christ, Messiah
makes the big list.

1307
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:15,560
And I think a lot of times we,
we, we kind of miss the, the

1308
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:17,320
list.
You know, what is it we're

1309
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:20,720
committing to to be a Christian?
What does it entail?

1310
01:21:22,440 --> 01:21:25,160
Alma makes this list of the
promises and covenant.

1311
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:29,040
He says, well, ye, your desire
is to come into the fold of God

1312
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:33,080
and be called his people.
You're willing to bear one

1313
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:34,800
another's burdens that they may
be light.

1314
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,000
You're willing to mourn with
those that mourn.

1315
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:39,880
You're willing to comfort those
that stand in need of comfort.

1316
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:43,320
You're willing to stand as
witnesses of God at all times,

1317
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:46,800
in all things, in all places
that you may be in, even until

1318
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,280
death.
You're willing to serve Him and

1319
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:52,760
keep His commandments, that He
may pour out His Spirit more

1320
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:56,560
abundantly upon you.
Ye are willing to observe the

1321
01:21:56,560 --> 01:22:00,760
Sabbath day, to keep it holy, to
give thanks to God every day.

1322
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,280
Ye are willing to gather
together often to teach one

1323
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:06,360
another and worship the Lord
God.

1324
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,760
Ye are willing to impart of your
substance temporally and

1325
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:13,760
spiritually for every needy
naked soul to meet their needs

1326
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:17,800
and wants.
That's what love is, and that's

1327
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:19,680
what serving others is all about
too.

1328
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:25,000
And you know, yeah, 9 specific
things that he says for us to do

1329
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:30,440
when we choose to be Christian.
And if we're not doing all nine

1330
01:22:30,440 --> 01:22:33,520
of them, are we really all in it
all in on this?

1331
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:39,600
You know, a few other principles
I'll get to here.

1332
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:47,720
In Numbers 1129, Joshua, the son
of none, tells Moses to stop the

1333
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:52,200
two elders, Eldad and me, Dad,
who began to prophecy in the

1334
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:57,520
camp and not at the Tabernacle
with the other 68 elders chosen

1335
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:00,480
by Moses.
And Moses rebukes Joshua.

1336
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:04,480
He says would would that all the
Lord's people were prophets and

1337
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:07,840
that the Lord would put his
spirit on them, expressing his

1338
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,760
desire for God's spirit and
prophetic gift to be available

1339
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:14,040
to all of his people, not just
an appointed group at a specific

1340
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:18,400
location.
Well, is Moses saying that you

1341
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:20,560
can too, you too can become a
prophet?

1342
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:23,200
Is that what he's saying here in
these scriptures, that you too

1343
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:26,000
can be worthy to serve others
with God's power and priesthood?

1344
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:30,280
Yes.
Yeah, I would say that that's

1345
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:34,280
exactly what Moses is saying.
If you interpret the meaning

1346
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:38,560
from the text, what it actually
says exegetically and literally

1347
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,200
versus, you know, maybe
interpreting some other meaning

1348
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:45,560
into it rather than assigning
media meeting meaning to it from

1349
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:50,120
teachings that are popular in
Christianity or some other ideas

1350
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:54,160
that you may have heard or some
bias that you have.

1351
01:23:55,480 --> 01:23:59,280
Yet as believers in the
Restoration of Christ's original

1352
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:01,600
church in the latter days, we
typically interpret the meaning

1353
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:03,880
of the text just from what it
says.

1354
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:07,800
We're not trying to read in some
other story an assignment and

1355
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:13,960
make it fit in to make like the
the creeds of Christianity so

1356
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:20,000
that we aren't looked at as
pagans and as one of them.

1357
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,640
We have to differentiate
ourselves by coming up with some

1358
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:24,480
different ideas about who God
is.

1359
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:30,080
Some today think the miracles of
the past no longer happened to

1360
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:33,560
believers in our modern times,
that the Bible is all of God's

1361
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:34,760
word.
Even though there are many

1362
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:37,440
principles, concepts, and
ordinances that have not been

1363
01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:41,480
fully explained in in the Bible.
We know there are many prophetic

1364
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:43,160
books that were left out of the
Bible.

1365
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:46,400
We also know that many Bible
verses and passages were not

1366
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:49,360
translated correctly.
Some had sections that were

1367
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:52,320
removed or were added later by
various religious scholars and

1368
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:55,800
translators.
And Mormon speaks to those in

1369
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:59,080
our day, those who deny
revelations, prophecies, gifts,

1370
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:01,680
healings, or speaking with and
interpreting tongues.

1371
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:06,320
He that denies the miracles of
God and the gifts of God has not

1372
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:09,360
read the scriptures or he
doesn't understand them because

1373
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:11,720
God is the same yesterday,
today, and forever.

1374
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:20,960
Before He visits you personally,
let's look at those things that

1375
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:27,400
God cares most about.
CS Lewis, He gave a sermon, it's

1376
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:31,240
called The Weight of Glory.
And it was given when England

1377
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:34,040
was at war with Germany, June
8th, 1941.

1378
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:38,280
Many were angry at the Germans.
They were unsure of what to do

1379
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:41,280
in this world that seemed to be
falling apart all around him

1380
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:45,680
even as Christians.
And he starts out his talk and

1381
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:49,800
he says, you know, if you ask 20
good men today what the highest

1382
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:54,880
virtue is, 19 of those men, they
they would tell you it's

1383
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:59,040
unselfishness.
Yet nearly all the great

1384
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:01,640
Christians of old, they would
say it's love.

1385
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:07,160
The other insight Lewis shares
is the value that we are to

1386
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:10,920
place on each other, says we we
truly have never met a mortal

1387
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,840
person because we all shall live
together.

1388
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:17,720
Looking at those around us with
this land is likely to have a

1389
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:21,280
big impact on how we treat we
act and treat others.

1390
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:24,920
I I yeah.
One of my favorite quotes is

1391
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:30,120
this next paragraph.
He says it's a serious thing to

1392
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:34,600
live in a Society of possible
gods and goddesses to remember

1393
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:38,480
that the dullest, the dullest
and most uninteresting person

1394
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:42,760
you can talk to today may one
day be a creature which if you

1395
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:45,680
saw it now, you would be
strongly tempted to worship.

1396
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:50,840
The fact is, the most dirty,
disgusting and vile person

1397
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,560
you've ever met in life could
develop themselves, their

1398
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:56,840
character and their countenance
into the most spectacular person

1399
01:26:56,840 --> 01:27:00,360
you've ever known given the
opportunity of 100 or 200 years

1400
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:03,800
to change and improve who who
they are and improve themselves.

1401
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:06,440
You know, I feel like I'm on
that list too.

1402
01:27:06,440 --> 01:27:09,360
I, I wonder if it's going to
take me 100 years or 200 years

1403
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:13,840
to, to become the person that I
really want to become.

1404
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:16,800
I really mean that.
I mean, I don't feel like I have

1405
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:20,400
developed the traits, all the
traits that I need, even though,

1406
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:24,440
you know, I'm not mean spirited
towards others.

1407
01:27:24,440 --> 01:27:27,800
Yeah, that meekness.
Awesome.

1408
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:30,560
There are other things I needed
to work on.

1409
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:34,320
You know, Joseph Smith said that
it would be many years after we

1410
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:37,040
passed through the on the other
side of the veil before we would

1411
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:42,480
be ready to be as God is.
And Brigham elaborates further

1412
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:45,280
during the Utah, early Utah
period where he talks about

1413
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:49,000
other ordinances being necessary
on the other side of the veil.

1414
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:53,360
And so I don't think that we
should necessarily just assume

1415
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:58,200
that we'll have it completely,
100% figured out here.

1416
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:00,600
I think there's things that we
have to do here.

1417
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:02,600
It's a proving ground for a
reason.

1418
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:07,360
But we need to remember it's,
it's a marathon, not a Sprint.

1419
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:09,680
Yeah.
Yeah, one of the greatest

1420
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:12,880
conversations that someone from
the Hill Kimura pageant said to

1421
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:19,920
me, she says, hey, Corey, it's
it really is that that sentence

1422
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:24,640
that you're just, you're you're
saying there that there's no

1423
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:29,800
finish line yet.
You you're in the race here and

1424
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:33,280
and you don't have to be, you
don't have to be anything.

1425
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:34,560
You don't have to be married
yet.

1426
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:38,120
You don't have to have the
corporate job that you want yet.

1427
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:41,280
You, you don't have to have the
fitness level that that you want

1428
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:42,640
yet.
You don't have to have all those

1429
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:47,280
things.
That's a profound idea, Dave.

1430
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:51,720
Literally, it really is it.
We're not really going to be

1431
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:55,760
finished yet, and that's OK.
If we're on that path, we're

1432
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,360
going to get to where we want to
go.

1433
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:01,480
Right.
Few years back I started to get

1434
01:29:01,480 --> 01:29:03,720
the feeling that we, as
fundamentalists and Orthodox

1435
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:07,120
Mormons, we need our own stuff.
Up to now, we've been able to

1436
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:10,520
buy and purchase all of our
scriptures, books, art, and

1437
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:14,120
music from other restoration
organizations, and that's been

1438
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:15,960
good.
But there's no guarantee it's

1439
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:19,360
going to remain that way.
Also, it can be a bit tricky as

1440
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:22,800
you scour the Internet trying to
find all the books from your

1441
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:25,960
favorite fundamentalists or
orthodox Mormon authors.

1442
01:29:26,440 --> 01:29:28,840
As I thought about this, I feel
like I was really given a

1443
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:31,720
solution now through the hard
work of others, because let's

1444
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:35,000
face it, I'm the guy least
qualified in all the world to

1445
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:38,240
build a website.
I'm happy to present to you 1830

1446
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:41,800
mercantile.org.
Right now on the website you can

1447
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:44,600
see that we have all the books
that have ever been written by 4

1448
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:47,600
authors, including names like
Drew, Briny and Ogdenkraut.

1449
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:52,720
Also very soon there will be a
link to buy art and music all

1450
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:56,040
produced by Mormons with a deep
love for the restored gospel.

1451
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:59,920
There's also places for you to
get free resources where you can

1452
01:29:59,920 --> 01:30:03,560
find podcasts, videos, classes,
and other presentations.

1453
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:07,560
Also coming very soon there will
be a place for events where you

1454
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:11,440
can list the events from your
organization so that you can get

1455
01:30:11,440 --> 01:30:15,200
the most out of that attendance.
Now this can be as big as you

1456
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:17,200
want it to be.
It's all up to you guys out

1457
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:20,000
there if you want to buy and
post things on here.

1458
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:23,360
Now, if you're someone who
produces something that you feel

1459
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:27,120
like others can benefit from,
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1460
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:30,240
you can make all of those
products available for purchase.

1461
01:30:30,480 --> 01:30:32,520
All you need to do is drop me an
e-mail at

1462
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:37,400
mormonrenegade@gmail.com and put
1830 in in the title of that

1463
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:40,840
e-mail with a short message and
either myself or someone else

1464
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:44,200
from the 1830 Mercantile team
will reach out to you so we can

1465
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:45,960
get your product up there on the
site.

1466
01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:51,920
Now to make sure that all the
products that we offer are

1467
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:55,640
affordable and to ensure that
the vast majority of the profits

1468
01:30:55,640 --> 01:31:00,840
go to the producer, the website
percentage is only three to 4%

1469
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:03,440
of the total cost.
And that's just so I can pay the

1470
01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:06,360
pros that have created this
website and keep the lights on

1471
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:09,800
the website itself.
Finally, by making some of your

1472
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:13,120
purchases at 1830
mercantile.org, you'll be

1473
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:16,440
supporting folks whose
principles and morals are close,

1474
01:31:16,480 --> 01:31:19,920
if not the same as yours.
At the same time not giving your

1475
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:23,120
money away to people who stand
against everything you stand

1476
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,160
for.
So no matter if you're looking

1477
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:28,200
to make a purchase or you're a
seller that wants to get your

1478
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products listed, head on over to
1830 mercantile.org today.

1479
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:36,040
Drop me an e-mail and we'll make
sure that we get back out to

1480
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:37,640
you.
Now back to the show.

1481
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:44,120
I I honestly think that a lot of
times this life is to figure out

1482
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:49,680
what it is we want.
What is it you truly desire?

1483
01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:53,360
I think there's something about
the flesh and the spirit being

1484
01:31:53,360 --> 01:32:00,200
together that allows that intent
to come screaming through in

1485
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:04,560
ways that I'm not sure anything
else any other way could do.

1486
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:12,240
And so if if this life is to
draw out our intent to figure

1487
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:16,040
out where it is we want to go, I
can't help but wonder if that

1488
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:21,000
means on the other side, we've
made the choice and now we

1489
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:25,800
continue on that path.
Yeah, well, I definitely feel

1490
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:29,760
like health, religion and
politics pretty much my three

1491
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:31,360
favorite subjects.
And of course, I do marketing,

1492
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:33,760
so I do read a lot of books on
those topics.

1493
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:39,480
There's so many connecting dots
in history that I don't have the

1494
01:32:39,480 --> 01:32:42,600
answer to that.
It's, it's wonderful though, in

1495
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:45,400
some ways, because almost every
day I'm learning something new

1496
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:47,000
that does connect some of those
dots for me.

1497
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:50,280
So it gives me a lot kind of to
look forward to.

1498
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:54,120
And yet at the same time, I wish
I had more answers.

1499
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:57,400
I really, really, really do
like, I'm eager for more.

1500
01:32:57,440 --> 01:33:02,840
Like I, I, it'll be so cool to
have a lot of those puzzle

1501
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:05,680
pieces put together for me
mentally, which is one of the

1502
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:08,440
reasons why Drew Briny's books,
I want to read all of them.

1503
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:11,320
I want to read all of Ogden
Kraut's books because I feel

1504
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:14,320
like that will probably add to
putting some of the puzzle

1505
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:16,960
pieces together.
And I tried to read conference

1506
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:22,200
talks and, you know, scriptures
of different types just to learn

1507
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:25,960
from every source I can.
You know, I expect all of us to

1508
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:28,520
have many opportunities to grow,
improve, and develop.

1509
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:33,120
Yet God will force no man to
heaven while Jesus invites all

1510
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:35,720
of us to come to him to join
Him.

1511
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:39,360
Ultimately, we will continue to
live socially where we feel most

1512
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:41,640
comfortable.
Yep.

1513
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:47,360
Moroni and his final sermon to
the dying civilization there,

1514
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:52,560
you know where he's having to
see his civilization, you know,

1515
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:57,480
snuffed out Meron I7844 through
48.

1516
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:02,200
He emphasized that charity
charity's the one quality that

1517
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:05,080
almost guarantees celestial
glory.

1518
01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:09,800
If a man lacks charity, he is
nothing.

1519
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:13,600
Charity is the pure love of God
and it endures forever.

1520
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:16,840
Wherefore, my beloved brother,
and pray unto the Father with

1521
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:20,240
all the energy of heart, that
you may be filled with this love

1522
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:24,320
which He hath bestowed upon all
who are true followers of His

1523
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:28,880
Son Jesus Christ, that you may
become the sons of God, That

1524
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:32,880
when He shall prepare, that when
He shall appear, we shall be

1525
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:41,000
like Him, God Himself.
God Himself has a pure heart,

1526
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:45,080
and He wants us to develop this
character trait as we deal with

1527
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:49,080
His other children.
How you know we treat His other

1528
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:53,880
children, you know, it says you
know how you treat me is how you

1529
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:57,240
know how you treat others is how
you treat me and you try to make

1530
01:34:57,240 --> 01:34:59,480
that really clear to his
disciples multiple times the

1531
01:34:59,480 --> 01:35:05,360
savior did DNC 18.
I think this is wonderful.

1532
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:09,280
I've read this multiple times on
my mission because it's it's

1533
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:11,560
extra challenging going out as a
missionary.

1534
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:14,280
A lot of times you get a lot of
doors slammed in your face.

1535
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:17,400
You have people that mock you
and and then it's hard to take

1536
01:35:17,400 --> 01:35:18,920
that rejection.
At some point.

1537
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:21,960
You, you really do have to
remind yourself, you know, you

1538
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:26,760
are serving your Father in
heaven and these messages are so

1539
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:29,880
important to share.
You know, that's why I feel, you

1540
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:32,640
know, such a kinship with you,
Dave is, is I know that your

1541
01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:35,600
heart is in the in the the kind
of place to to serve other

1542
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:36,960
people.
And there's so much time and

1543
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:41,400
energy that this kind of a
podcast takes to do work wise

1544
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:43,320
that you have to be so
committed.

1545
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:49,680
And it takes a lot of effort and
time to do this DNC.

1546
01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:54,400
It just reminds us here in 18
that your worth, your worth and

1547
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:59,040
the worth of every other soul is
great in the sight of God, no

1548
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:03,040
matter what you've done or how
unimportant you may feel for the

1549
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:06,720
Lord, suffer pain and death that
all men and women, including you

1550
01:36:07,440 --> 01:36:11,080
might repent and come unto him.
For behold, I, God, have

1551
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:15,720
suffered these things, for all
that they might not suffer if

1552
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:23,240
they would repent.
The next chapter or the next DNC

1553
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:26,960
819 continues to explain His
depth of love for us.

1554
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:32,080
If you do not repent, you must
suffer, even as I have, which

1555
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:37,080
suffering caused myself, even
God, to the greatest of all, to

1556
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:40,920
tremble because of pain, and to
bleed at every poor, and to

1557
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:45,240
suffer both body and spirit.
And would that I might not drink

1558
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:53,160
the bitter cup and shrink.
Looking up other Looking up

1559
01:36:53,160 --> 01:36:56,520
these other definitions for
shrink was a bit heartbreaking

1560
01:36:56,520 --> 01:37:01,480
for me.
Flinch, recoil, cringe, cower,

1561
01:37:01,480 --> 01:37:08,040
wince, retreat, shutter,
withdraw, refuse, slink, draw

1562
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:13,680
back, pull back, back away.
Jump back, jerk back, shrink

1563
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:16,800
away, hesitate, contract,
diminish, limit.

1564
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:22,000
Put the brakes on, withdraw,
flea, retreat, recoil, escape,

1565
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:28,520
bolt, skedaddle, leave, depart,
run, take off.

1566
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:37,200
Cower, cringe, wince.
I caused my brother Jesus to

1567
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:42,360
feel all of that because of my
wrongs, my actions, and my

1568
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:47,440
choices, not His.
And that is hard.

1569
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:52,320
And it helps remind me of the
kind of depth of love and

1570
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:57,400
charity that my Father and that
Jesus have for me to have

1571
01:37:57,400 --> 01:38:02,720
created this plan for my growth
so that I could develop those

1572
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:05,880
character traits myself, that I
could get started on that

1573
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:09,520
anyway, you know, at least make
some progress towards that.

1574
01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:12,160
And clearly an unfinished
product.

1575
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:16,200
I don't want anyone here to
think that I'm not, you know,

1576
01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:18,480
that I've arrived because that's
not the case.

1577
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:23,400
There are many things that I am
challenged with, and I pray for

1578
01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:25,640
help from God every day so that
I have it.

1579
01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:29,560
I physically, spiritually,
mentally and otherwise, I need

1580
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:34,360
Jesus as much as any of you in
this that are listening to this

1581
01:38:34,360 --> 01:38:36,720
podcast and everyone on this
earth.

1582
01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:40,000
We all need Jesus every bit as
much.

1583
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:43,440
Some of us may be better at
different things in our life,

1584
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:48,960
yet that Atonement is so
necessary for our personal

1585
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:52,120
growth, wherever it is that we
want to get to, to whatever

1586
01:38:52,120 --> 01:38:58,560
level that we want to get to.
I got to the section here that I

1587
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:01,600
have my addition.
So let's let's chat a little bit

1588
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:05,560
and I have, I can go into some
of the gifts of the Spirit a bit

1589
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:10,960
more and a couple of the pretty
profound stories if you would

1590
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:12,800
like to get to that.
Yeah.

1591
01:39:12,920 --> 01:39:17,840
But before we move there and
just real quick, I got a

1592
01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:24,280
heartbreak at 3:30.
I got other things going on, but

1593
01:39:24,280 --> 01:39:31,800
we're doing good for right now.
I back to what you were saying

1594
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:35,440
there about needing the
Atonement and the Savior.

1595
01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:39,560
I think that's really a lot of
the battle, right?

1596
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:45,480
It's getting to a point to where
you realize, yeah, my stuff, my

1597
01:39:45,480 --> 01:39:51,280
stuff stinks, right?
As human beings, we all come

1598
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:55,200
with baggage, right?
And we, we pick up that baggage

1599
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:58,560
sometimes just by our very
personalities.

1600
01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:03,040
Sometimes it's what others
inflict upon us, our, our, our

1601
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:06,320
upbringing, our how people have
treated us.

1602
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:09,680
That's all baggage that has to
be dealt with.

1603
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:16,080
And recognizing that baggage
both in yourself first and

1604
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:20,120
foremost, and realizing that you
need the atonement, you need

1605
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:23,720
Christ.
And then being able to extend

1606
01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:27,360
that same grace to other people
that may not always be the most

1607
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:34,880
lovable is, is the trick I think
in in really starting on that

1608
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:38,760
path towards towards getting
that righteous heart, putting on

1609
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:42,880
that righteous armor is, is that
understanding of just how much

1610
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:45,360
we all need the Savior and his
atonement.

1611
01:40:47,440 --> 01:40:51,160
I'm just glad he has invited me.
I'm glad he's invited me to the

1612
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:54,640
party because, you know, I can't
imagine what my life would be

1613
01:40:54,640 --> 01:40:58,000
like without it.
I, I wouldn't have the hope, the

1614
01:40:59,240 --> 01:41:02,280
interest in excellence, the love
for my fellow man.

1615
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:06,600
I wouldn't be as a good husband.
I wouldn't be a a good friend to

1616
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:07,920
the same degree.
There's no way.

1617
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:12,560
I, I have clearly improved who I
am because I've studied the

1618
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:16,440
scriptures, because I've
strived, because I strive to be

1619
01:41:16,440 --> 01:41:19,000
like Jesus, because I've put it
into practice.

1620
01:41:20,440 --> 01:41:24,640
I don't feel like I'm anywhere
near as good as I, I could be or

1621
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:28,040
that that I will develop into.
But I'm, I'm working towards

1622
01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:30,360
that.
And it's genuinely like, yeah,

1623
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:32,680
I'm going to do this.
Like I want to do it.

1624
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:34,400
I don't, I don't have someone
else.

1625
01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:38,280
No one has to whip me from
behind, you know, to say, hey,

1626
01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:41,920
Corey, you know, get your stuff
in gear here.

1627
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:48,200
It's something from my soul.
I want to be, I want to develop

1628
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:51,680
God like characteristics.
I want to be that because

1629
01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:54,240
there's a peace, there's a
happiness.

1630
01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:57,200
And what I felt at the Hill
Kimura pageant for those weeks

1631
01:41:57,200 --> 01:42:01,240
that I was there to, to, to
really truly feel what other

1632
01:42:01,240 --> 01:42:04,040
people were thinking in their
hearts and to see the, the

1633
01:42:04,040 --> 01:42:06,600
heaviness and the loads that
most people were dealing with.

1634
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:11,680
You know, 17 when I had that
experience, I could, could

1635
01:42:13,320 --> 01:42:16,600
really know their thoughts 100%.
Like it wasn't, it was very

1636
01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:20,760
complete download to me what
other people were experiencing.

1637
01:42:20,760 --> 01:42:24,840
And so I, I would just listen to
them and just try to love and

1638
01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:26,480
support them in any way
possible.

1639
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:31,240
But I, I think the thing that
was the most stunning to me was

1640
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:34,040
that a lot of the people I would
chat with were in their 40s and

1641
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:40,800
50s and 60s and I was 17 and I
realized that every single

1642
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:43,960
person we're dealing with all
the same things that I was

1643
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:46,080
dealing with to some different
degree.

1644
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:49,160
And, and that was so stunning to
me is like I because I never

1645
01:42:49,160 --> 01:42:54,160
really imagined to myself that
people who were older had those

1646
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:56,360
same challenges.
And they do.

1647
01:42:57,240 --> 01:43:02,400
And, and wow, in my little young
mind as a teenager, I couldn't

1648
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:06,760
conceive of a lot of things.
And to see, you know, Mary Jane

1649
01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:10,240
Mulcony run up to their their
dad who was playing Abenadi and

1650
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:11,920
give him a great big hug and
kiss.

1651
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:15,520
And I love you, dad.
That was so stunning that that

1652
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:18,640
was the relationship that I just
was stunned that that was even

1653
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:20,640
possible.
Those are the things that the

1654
01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:24,320
gospel brings to the table.
They they, they didn't have,

1655
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:26,600
they wouldn't have had that if
it wasn't for the gospel.

1656
01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:29,880
And I wouldn't have seen it if I
hadn't have gone to the Hill

1657
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:33,760
Kimura pageant to that degree.
And it's inspired me ever since

1658
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:37,360
to have that in my life, to have
those kind of relationships.

1659
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:45,720
You know another thing that I
should get to Here is a story

1660
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:58,070
here in Helaman 4 or 10, four
through 10, a special gift was

1661
01:43:58,070 --> 01:44:02,750
given to Helaman son, Helaman
son Nephi.

1662
01:44:03,990 --> 01:44:08,880
The Lord tells him, I will bless
thee forever, and I will make

1663
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:11,840
thee mighty in Word and in deed,
in faith and in works.

1664
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:15,080
Yeah, even that all things shall
be done unto thee according to

1665
01:44:15,080 --> 01:44:18,440
thy word.
For thou shalt not ask that

1666
01:44:18,440 --> 01:44:23,600
which is contrary to my will.
Behold, thou art Nephi, and I am

1667
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:25,880
God.
Behold, I declare it unto thee

1668
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:29,720
in the presence of my angels,
that ye shall have power over

1669
01:44:29,720 --> 01:44:32,280
this people, and shall smite the
earth with famine, and with

1670
01:44:32,280 --> 01:44:34,800
pestilence and destruction,
according to the wickedness of

1671
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:40,640
this people.
Very, you know temple language.

1672
01:44:41,320 --> 01:44:45,560
Nephi was given the ceiling
power, the authority to bind or

1673
01:44:45,560 --> 01:44:48,920
loose on earth and in heaven,
akin to the keys given to Peter

1674
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:54,280
in Matthew 1619 and Joseph Smith
in DNC 13246.

1675
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:58,720
In LDS theology.
This sealing power includes the

1676
01:44:58,720 --> 01:45:01,520
power to seal families eternally
in temples.

1677
01:45:03,200 --> 01:45:05,400
Why?
Why?

1678
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:09,120
Because Nephi declared the Word
of God with unwaringness.

1679
01:45:11,200 --> 01:45:13,560
Webster's Dictionary says
unwearing.

1680
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:17,160
Unwearied is an ongoing state of
untiring energy and

1681
01:45:17,160 --> 01:45:19,960
perseverance.
It means that Nephi was

1682
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:22,880
enthusiastic, committed and
tenacious at sharing his

1683
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:25,760
testimony and teaching others
about Jesus.

1684
01:45:27,240 --> 01:45:29,480
I am.
And I know David's and the

1685
01:45:29,480 --> 01:45:32,880
thousands of you listening here
today are also excited to share

1686
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:36,200
the love you feel with God, the
the love you feel in your heart.

1687
01:45:36,200 --> 01:45:40,240
And I pray that each of you will
feel his hand in your life more

1688
01:45:40,240 --> 01:45:42,480
and more until you have every
gift.

1689
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:46,560
There are a lot of them.
There's 2 pages of of them that

1690
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:48,120
we could go through if you feel
like.

1691
01:45:48,120 --> 01:45:48,880
Yeah.
Yeah.

1692
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:52,040
No, I, I, I think we could, we
could do that.

1693
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:59,120
I do want to speak to that here
a little bit about about what

1694
01:45:59,120 --> 01:46:05,240
she'd said there concerning
those gifts.

1695
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:16,480
We sometimes I think we suffer
from not being able to relate to

1696
01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:21,160
our heroes, right?
We look at, we look at Nephi and

1697
01:46:21,160 --> 01:46:24,680
we think, oh man, I could never
get to that stage right.

1698
01:46:25,200 --> 01:46:28,680
And we're so quick to remember
all the great things Nephi did.

1699
01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:31,400
But then we forget the Psalm of
Nephi and 2nd Nephi.

1700
01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:39,400
Oh wrecked man, that I am right.
We do this thing where we turn

1701
01:46:39,400 --> 01:46:43,560
our heroes or those who have
done great things into marble

1702
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:48,440
statues and we don't show their
humanity or allow ourselves to

1703
01:46:48,440 --> 01:46:53,800
see their humanity.
And its outcome is that we don't

1704
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:58,600
participate at that point.
And I think it is super

1705
01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:02,560
important that we realize all
those people we read about in

1706
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:07,520
scripture, they were people,
they were men, they were women,

1707
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:11,280
they had flaws.
They were they they have their

1708
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:14,840
own baggage to deal with.
Doesn't let you off the hook.

1709
01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:20,360
And sometimes I think when we
look at a guy like Peter who

1710
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:25,800
denies the Savior, but yet is
the guy who will become the

1711
01:47:27,320 --> 01:47:34,200
authority on Christ and
Christianity during his time, we

1712
01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:37,240
should take comfort in that.
And we should also take take

1713
01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:39,560
heart in that that OK, so I got
some issues.

1714
01:47:39,560 --> 01:47:41,800
I got some problems.
Not perfect.

1715
01:47:41,960 --> 01:47:46,840
God still can use me.
Again, another clever ploy by

1716
01:47:46,840 --> 01:47:49,680
the adversary to keep us on the
sidelines and not getting in the

1717
01:47:49,680 --> 01:47:56,560
game.
Yeah, I think if we start to

1718
01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:58,800
have faith in ourselves, I think
that's one of the first steps.

1719
01:47:59,160 --> 01:48:03,800
And, and, and I have to say, at
17, I didn't have a lot of faith

1720
01:48:03,800 --> 01:48:09,240
in myself until, until I felt
Heavenly Father's love for me.

1721
01:48:10,280 --> 01:48:15,880
And that changed everything, to
know that he loves me that much.

1722
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:26,760
For one, it was scary.
Two, very overwhelming, and it

1723
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:28,760
very much shook me to the core
of my soul.

1724
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:37,200
And no, I'm not the same guy.
I recognized that.

1725
01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:42,800
I recognized that the One who
created this earth is in my

1726
01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:45,840
court.
He is going to help me with

1727
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:48,120
everything.
Everything.

1728
01:48:48,520 --> 01:48:51,520
Oh, I have not done everything
just right since.

1729
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:57,800
No, not at all.
Fallen dozens and dozens and

1730
01:48:57,800 --> 01:49:00,080
times, if hundreds of times
since.

1731
01:49:02,200 --> 01:49:06,320
And yet I have a confidence that
He loves me.

1732
01:49:06,840 --> 01:49:09,640
And because I know He loves me
and I felt that love fill my

1733
01:49:09,640 --> 01:49:12,040
heart, I know how much He loves
everyone else.

1734
01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:17,080
Which gives me so much more
enthusiasm.

1735
01:49:17,080 --> 01:49:19,480
I want to see other people doing
better too.

1736
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:22,920
And so when I do business with
others, do I want to see them

1737
01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:28,360
successful?
Do I want to see them happy and

1738
01:49:28,840 --> 01:49:32,400
doing well in their life?
Yes, Because I see them as

1739
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:35,800
brothers and sisters and because
I know that God loves them every

1740
01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:39,440
bit as much and that I need to
be loving and kind towards them

1741
01:49:39,440 --> 01:49:42,840
in that same way.
And that ultimately all of us

1742
01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:44,280
will be together.
We might.

1743
01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:50,080
Joseph talks about the same
sociality existing in the next

1744
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:52,760
life.
You know, for all of us, that

1745
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:54,600
this will just go on in the
eternity.

1746
01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:57,160
It's just like CS Lewis says,
you know, we haven't really met

1747
01:49:57,160 --> 01:49:59,720
a mortal person.
You know, we are literally going

1748
01:49:59,720 --> 01:50:03,000
to be living with each other.
So if you've injured someone,

1749
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:08,000
you make it right, go apologize.
If if you need to make it right

1750
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:10,280
with financially, go make it
right financially.

1751
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:13,440
Give them whatever it takes to
get them back on their feet

1752
01:50:13,440 --> 01:50:15,280
again.
If you ripped them off or, or

1753
01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:20,520
whatever it is, which which
that's what just people do.

1754
01:50:21,240 --> 01:50:29,040
You could never not do that.
And and then genuinely and with

1755
01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:32,520
confidence, ask the Heavenly
Father and Jesus to forgive your

1756
01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:35,720
sins.
If you're not that guy that's

1757
01:50:35,720 --> 01:50:38,720
willing to to make all right
that you possibly can while

1758
01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:41,360
you're here and like you're not
feeling the gospel in your

1759
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:43,040
heart.
Where's that love?

1760
01:50:43,520 --> 01:50:45,920
You would never want to injure
another person that way, right?

1761
01:50:47,240 --> 01:50:52,520
You know, So what I just what
does it mean to have all these

1762
01:50:52,520 --> 01:50:55,800
gifts of God, you know?
OK, so now we've talked about

1763
01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:02,760
how meekness is that building
block that gets you there and

1764
01:51:02,760 --> 01:51:09,080
then the charity is this
enduring gift that allows you to

1765
01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:13,520
stand in the presence of God.
Well, there are, you know, like

1766
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:15,720
I said, these two pages of of
gifts.

1767
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:20,040
Let me just get right into it
here.

1768
01:51:20,440 --> 01:51:23,880
Galatians 5.
Yeah, Galatians 522 says the

1769
01:51:23,880 --> 01:51:26,600
fruit of the Spirit is Lovejoy,
peace, long-suffering,

1770
01:51:26,600 --> 01:51:29,000
gentleness, meekness and
temperance.

1771
01:51:29,800 --> 01:51:34,360
Kind of a bit of a mouthful.
That's one I I memorized as a

1772
01:51:34,360 --> 01:51:39,440
missionary.
Moroni lists the gifts of God in

1773
01:51:39,440 --> 01:51:44,840
his parting thoughts.
The Word of Wisdom to teach

1774
01:51:44,840 --> 01:51:48,720
wisdom from God.
A word of knowledge to teach

1775
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:52,040
knowledge from God.
Faith Exceedingly great faith to

1776
01:51:52,040 --> 01:51:55,160
believe and act.
Healing To heal the sick through

1777
01:51:55,160 --> 01:51:57,520
faith.
Working of miracles To perform

1778
01:51:57,520 --> 01:52:00,760
mighty miracles.
To prophecy concerning all

1779
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:04,280
things.
Beholding of angels and

1780
01:52:04,280 --> 01:52:07,480
ministering spirits.
To see and interact with

1781
01:52:07,480 --> 01:52:12,720
heavenly beings.
To speak in diverse languages by

1782
01:52:12,720 --> 01:52:15,560
the Spirit.
To understand and interpret

1783
01:52:15,560 --> 01:52:23,320
languages, to receive divine
guidance and truth, to see the

1784
01:52:23,320 --> 01:52:27,760
future or hidden things, to
translate ancient records or

1785
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:31,440
languages.
Kind of overlaps a little bit

1786
01:52:31,440 --> 01:52:34,720
with that one charity, the pure
love of Christ, which is the

1787
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:40,440
greatest gift to love as Christ
loves, but it's not always

1788
01:52:40,440 --> 01:52:43,440
listed as a gift.
It's more of a fruit of the gift

1789
01:52:45,200 --> 01:52:49,840
teaching to instruct with power,
just being a very clear teacher.

1790
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:53,840
Exhortation and encouragement to
motivate and comfort others.

1791
01:52:54,120 --> 01:52:57,400
Giving and generosity to
contribute liberally.

1792
01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:01,200
Leadership to guide with
diligence, to show compassion

1793
01:53:01,200 --> 01:53:03,440
cheerfully.
The gift of mercy.

1794
01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:08,720
There's some other gifts here.
2-3 more that have to do with

1795
01:53:08,720 --> 01:53:13,160
the gifts of prophets here and
Revelator that are detailed in

1796
01:53:13,240 --> 01:53:19,880
DNC One O 7 and Messiah 8.
The prophet is one who speaks

1797
01:53:19,880 --> 01:53:22,280
for God, foretells and testifies
of Christ.

1798
01:53:22,280 --> 01:53:28,200
A seer is one who sees hidden
things past, present or future,

1799
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:31,040
often using instruments like the
Urim and Thummim.

1800
01:53:32,240 --> 01:53:36,720
A seer is also a revelator and a
prophet and can translate all

1801
01:53:36,720 --> 01:53:38,280
records that are of ancient
date.

1802
01:53:38,600 --> 01:53:41,320
So that's more the specificity
of what a seer is.

1803
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:45,440
You know, I want to talk about
that prophet one for just a

1804
01:53:45,440 --> 01:53:48,800
second because this is a it's
come up.

1805
01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:54,840
The first time is when you
brought up, you know, Moses and

1806
01:53:54,840 --> 01:53:58,600
Joshua there where, yeah, Moses
would like, oh, if everybody

1807
01:53:58,600 --> 01:54:03,400
could be a prophet.
Part of the role of a prophet is

1808
01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:06,600
pointing people back to Christ.
Yes.

1809
01:54:07,440 --> 01:54:11,600
So often I think we get hung up
on that phrase, thinking that

1810
01:54:11,640 --> 01:54:15,840
just must mean that that that
we're telling future events.

1811
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:19,080
Certainly that is a part of
being a prophet in prophecy.

1812
01:54:19,080 --> 01:54:23,600
But another part is is pointing
back towards the Savior, crying

1813
01:54:23,600 --> 01:54:28,920
repentance, those things.
If we could all do those things,

1814
01:54:29,160 --> 01:54:32,160
how much better we would be as
as a people.

1815
01:54:34,480 --> 01:54:38,000
Well, think, you know, about
being a home teacher and, you

1816
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:42,200
know, ministering brother,
that's very much, you know,

1817
01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:45,600
someone who points people to
Heavenly Father and shares his

1818
01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:47,200
testimony just like a
missionary.

1819
01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:53,000
And, and I feel like the, the
LDS church culture kind of puts

1820
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:56,080
the prophet up a bit more on a
pedestal that, you know, they're

1821
01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:58,800
kind of set apart to just be the
only one.

1822
01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:04,200
And yet the gospel of Jesus
Christ, we're supposed to all

1823
01:55:04,200 --> 01:55:08,680
have these gifts and to magnify
whatever gifts that we have that

1824
01:55:08,680 --> 01:55:11,080
are given to each of us
personally.

1825
01:55:11,080 --> 01:55:13,720
And some people have all the
gifts of the gospel.

1826
01:55:13,880 --> 01:55:16,080
Some people have more dreams and
visions.

1827
01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:20,800
I've met folks in in the ward
here who have dreams and visions

1828
01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:24,720
regularly.
And many others in the

1829
01:55:25,200 --> 01:55:27,520
fundamentalist community that
I've talked to that have had

1830
01:55:27,520 --> 01:55:28,920
some wonderful dreams and
visions.

1831
01:55:29,240 --> 01:55:32,080
In fact, you know, one of the
things that has impressed me,

1832
01:55:33,240 --> 01:55:36,160
you know, when, when you think
about, you know, how does the

1833
01:55:36,160 --> 01:55:37,640
Holy Ghost even work in your
life?

1834
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:40,680
Well, how, how would it work?
You know, once you have the

1835
01:55:40,680 --> 01:55:43,640
humility and the charity and the
love and all that, and, and then

1836
01:55:43,640 --> 01:55:47,320
you, you can, you're kind of an
empty vessel.

1837
01:55:47,320 --> 01:55:50,160
You are ready to have heavenly
Father bless you.

1838
01:55:50,160 --> 01:55:54,720
How do you, how do you do it?
Justin Franken, who's been on

1839
01:55:54,720 --> 01:55:57,520
the the podcast multiple times,
talked about how when he was in

1840
01:55:57,520 --> 01:56:01,600
South Korea, he would, he would
pray to know which door to knock

1841
01:56:01,600 --> 01:56:07,000
on And they would go, they would
go from one apartment building

1842
01:56:07,120 --> 01:56:10,640
and walk into the apartment
complex and they would pray

1843
01:56:10,640 --> 01:56:17,080
about which building to go to.
And then once they got to that

1844
01:56:17,080 --> 01:56:20,320
building, they would pray to
know which floor to go to.

1845
01:56:20,720 --> 01:56:22,200
And then they would go to that
floor.

1846
01:56:22,200 --> 01:56:25,280
And then they would pray which
direction on the floor to, to

1847
01:56:25,320 --> 01:56:27,720
which direction right or left to
go.

1848
01:56:28,200 --> 01:56:31,040
And then they would keep praying
until they got an answer on who,

1849
01:56:31,480 --> 01:56:34,920
who to talk to.
And, and in this mission in

1850
01:56:34,920 --> 01:56:38,200
South Korea, where very few
people were having baptisms,

1851
01:56:38,200 --> 01:56:41,160
they were able to have baptisms,
literally miraculous,

1852
01:56:41,280 --> 01:56:46,320
miraculous, wonderful stories.
And I attended the Nelson Naylor

1853
01:56:47,000 --> 01:56:50,280
fundamentalist group there, you
know, in Bluffdale, Riverton

1854
01:56:50,280 --> 01:56:54,920
area and in Utah.
And someone got up to share a

1855
01:56:54,920 --> 01:56:58,120
story about how a father lost
his, his son.

1856
01:56:59,200 --> 01:57:03,840
And they were camping up in the
Uintas and did not know where he

1857
01:57:03,840 --> 01:57:06,840
disappeared to.
And the father got the

1858
01:57:06,840 --> 01:57:09,320
impression, hey, let's go, let's
go search for my son.

1859
01:57:09,320 --> 01:57:11,600
He's not back yet.
Something must have happened.

1860
01:57:12,200 --> 01:57:16,400
The son just knelt down and
prayed where he was for his dad

1861
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:20,680
to come find him.
And anyway, the story is, is

1862
01:57:20,960 --> 01:57:25,400
that he started leaving the camp
in the direction of where his

1863
01:57:25,400 --> 01:57:27,760
son was.
And then then he got to a fork

1864
01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:32,040
in, in the, the path.
And so then he knelt down right

1865
01:57:32,040 --> 01:57:36,440
there in that that fork in the
path and asked Heavenly Father,

1866
01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:38,920
you know, which direction should
I take to find my son?

1867
01:57:39,800 --> 01:57:43,640
And he ended up being led.
And he did that several more

1868
01:57:43,640 --> 01:57:46,720
times until he found his son.
And then his son said to him, I

1869
01:57:46,720 --> 01:57:50,120
prayed that you would find me.
And you know, it's like those

1870
01:57:50,120 --> 01:57:52,640
are the, the gifts of the spirit
that are so wonderful.

1871
01:57:54,960 --> 01:57:57,760
We're not taking advantage of so
many of those wonderful

1872
01:57:57,760 --> 01:58:01,640
blessings that all of us can
have in our life like that.

1873
01:58:01,680 --> 01:58:06,240
That to me is using the gospel
and and the gift of of prophecy

1874
01:58:06,240 --> 01:58:10,480
and revelation like this.
So could you call him a prophet?

1875
01:58:10,480 --> 01:58:14,960
Yes, he was feeling the Spirit
guide him right then to find his

1876
01:58:14,960 --> 01:58:18,440
son.
And wonderful bless, you know.

1877
01:58:19,320 --> 01:58:22,800
I I want to, I want to say two
things on this.

1878
01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:30,840
First off, when Christ asks his
disciples, who do men say that I

1879
01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:34,000
am?
They say, well, some say thou

1880
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:36,960
art Elias, some say you're John
the Baptist returned.

1881
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:40,560
And then the Savior asked again,
no, who do you say I am?

1882
01:58:40,680 --> 01:58:44,040
And Peter says you're the
Christ, you're the Son of God.

1883
01:58:46,040 --> 01:58:49,840
And the Savior says, blessed art
thou, Simon Barjona, because

1884
01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:52,920
flesh and blood hasn't revealed
this to you, but your Father,

1885
01:58:52,920 --> 01:59:00,280
which is in heaven.
If you have a testimony of Jesus

1886
01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:04,720
and the restored gospel, you
received that through the

1887
01:59:04,720 --> 01:59:07,320
Spirit, which is a form of
prophecy.

1888
01:59:07,800 --> 01:59:10,400
Totally.
And, and it's important to

1889
01:59:10,400 --> 01:59:13,760
remember that sometimes I think
we look to park the waters of

1890
01:59:13,760 --> 01:59:17,640
the Red Sea and we fail to miss
the gift that's right under our

1891
01:59:17,640 --> 01:59:24,160
nose.
Now to to go along with what

1892
01:59:24,160 --> 01:59:29,040
you're saying there about
hearing the spirit.

1893
01:59:30,280 --> 01:59:34,120
And I think this is one of the
reasons that I felt so compelled

1894
01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:42,840
to do this series this this
year, 2026 is as I thought about

1895
01:59:42,840 --> 01:59:45,920
it, I think.
And, and you're hitting on a big

1896
01:59:45,920 --> 01:59:48,200
part of that, right?
Being able to be in a spot to

1897
01:59:48,200 --> 01:59:52,480
where you can receive revelation
quickly, right in the moment.

1898
01:59:52,520 --> 01:59:57,000
Yeah.
I don't know why I think this, I

1899
01:59:57,000 --> 02:00:02,280
don't know why I'm feeling this,
but I feel like in the next

1900
02:00:02,880 --> 02:00:10,440
coming years, quickly, I think
it's going to be vital that you

1901
02:00:10,440 --> 02:00:14,600
have that kind of relationship
with God and with the Holy

1902
02:00:14,600 --> 02:00:16,720
Ghost.
So if the Holy Ghost says don't

1903
02:00:16,720 --> 02:00:22,040
go that direction, no matter how
counterintuitive it seems, you

1904
02:00:22,040 --> 02:00:24,400
can stop and go.
Yeah, I'm not going that way.

1905
02:00:24,400 --> 02:00:28,120
I'm going to go this way because
I do think we're coming to a

1906
02:00:28,120 --> 02:00:36,960
point now at where in society to
be able to simply navigate the

1907
02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:40,440
various stories that we will
read about, hear about and see.

1908
02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:44,160
We'll take revelation to be able
to parse out what's right and

1909
02:00:44,160 --> 02:00:46,640
what's wrong.
And I don't think that it's by

1910
02:00:46,640 --> 02:00:51,800
happenstance that the Lord,
through Paul, decided to use the

1911
02:00:51,800 --> 02:00:56,360
analogy of a soldier putting on
his armor to go out to war

1912
02:00:56,720 --> 02:00:59,560
because I think we're, you know,
I think that spiritual war we're

1913
02:00:59,560 --> 02:01:02,600
seeing is intensifying.
And being able to listen to the

1914
02:01:02,600 --> 02:01:04,520
Spirit is going to be a big part
of that.

1915
02:01:06,680 --> 02:01:10,440
Absolutely.
I can't imagine navigating all

1916
02:01:10,440 --> 02:01:13,960
the challenges, you know, in
life, especially some of the

1917
02:01:13,960 --> 02:01:16,920
things that that are foretold
future wise that are supposed to

1918
02:01:16,920 --> 02:01:19,920
be coming towards us with the
anger that is going on in the

1919
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:23,440
world and the commotion that
that is going on now without.

1920
02:01:23,800 --> 02:01:25,520
How would you protect your
children?

1921
02:01:25,520 --> 02:01:28,880
How would you protect, you know,
your your family, your community

1922
02:01:29,680 --> 02:01:31,640
and those around you and stay
protected yourself?

1923
02:01:31,640 --> 02:01:34,440
You know, if you don't have some
impression of Hey, I, you

1924
02:01:34,440 --> 02:01:37,640
shouldn't drive down that street
right now because it is coming

1925
02:01:37,640 --> 02:01:41,520
to those kind of times where
there are people who are

1926
02:01:41,520 --> 02:01:44,280
listening to the dark side and
don't have your best interests

1927
02:01:44,280 --> 02:01:45,560
at hearts.
They don't have charity.

1928
02:01:45,560 --> 02:01:46,960
They, they want to take from
you.

1929
02:01:46,960 --> 02:01:50,320
They want to hurt you.
I've experienced plenty of that.

1930
02:01:50,320 --> 02:01:53,040
I don't think any of us get
through life without, you know,

1931
02:01:53,040 --> 02:01:57,840
being lied to, you know,
betrayed and, you know, taken

1932
02:01:57,840 --> 02:01:59,560
advantage of.
Those are the challenges that

1933
02:01:59,560 --> 02:02:02,280
all of us face at some point.
And if we haven't ever had it,

1934
02:02:02,480 --> 02:02:05,200
awesome.
You have been black.

1935
02:02:05,240 --> 02:02:10,600
Look, some of this may not even
be about avoiding danger, right?

1936
02:02:10,640 --> 02:02:14,520
Maybe, maybe may not taking the
1 route, but taking the other.

1937
02:02:14,760 --> 02:02:17,160
You're going to encounter
someone that you can minister to

1938
02:02:17,160 --> 02:02:23,800
uniquely that'll make an impact.
And so I think we're coming in

1939
02:02:23,800 --> 02:02:26,680
the time where we got to have
our head on a swivel and be able

1940
02:02:26,680 --> 02:02:29,760
to listen to spirit quickly and
follow that prompting because I

1941
02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:32,960
think it's it's only going to
get more vital from this point

1942
02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:37,920
forward.
Yeah, I totally, totally agree.

1943
02:02:40,720 --> 02:02:46,360
You know the revelator, it says
Ephesians 35 and DNC one O 792.

1944
02:02:46,720 --> 02:02:51,160
To be a revelator is to be a
seer, a revelator, a translator

1945
02:02:51,160 --> 02:02:52,600
and a prophet.
So it's kind of like they all

1946
02:02:52,600 --> 02:02:54,760
kind of build on each other.
Hadn't quite put that one all

1947
02:02:54,760 --> 02:02:57,800
together that, you know, it's
like a prophet, seer,

1948
02:02:57,800 --> 02:03:00,680
unrevelator.
So the Revelator kind of stacks

1949
02:03:00,680 --> 02:03:05,760
up the Sears talent of being
able to translate and also the

1950
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:11,200
prophet's ability to foretell
and kind of adds to that a bit

1951
02:03:11,200 --> 02:03:15,120
more, which sounds awesome and
certainly something that all of

1952
02:03:15,120 --> 02:03:22,920
us striving for that is unique
and awesome and wonderful. 11

1953
02:03:22,920 --> 02:03:25,600
thought that came to me while I
was putting this together too.

1954
02:03:26,320 --> 02:03:30,720
I've kind of had a thing for
great books and literature, and

1955
02:03:30,720 --> 02:03:36,080
there was one one guy who stood
out in my philosophy class

1956
02:03:37,320 --> 02:03:43,600
called Immanuel Kant.
He lived from 1724 to 18 O four,

1957
02:03:43,960 --> 02:03:46,920
and he explored the idea that
right and wrong could be

1958
02:03:47,480 --> 02:03:50,880
categorically determined by
whether an action could be made

1959
02:03:50,880 --> 02:03:54,840
into a universal principle.
For example, lying's wrong

1960
02:03:54,840 --> 02:03:57,280
because if everyone lies, trust
will collapse, making

1961
02:03:57,280 --> 02:03:59,640
communication, business
transactions, and keeping

1962
02:03:59,640 --> 02:04:03,880
promises impossible.
On the other hand, if everyone's

1963
02:04:03,880 --> 02:04:06,840
honest and tells the truth,
communication and business

1964
02:04:06,840 --> 02:04:09,880
transactions go well.
If this principle is applied

1965
02:04:09,880 --> 02:04:13,760
universal universally, it builds
trust and improves relationships

1966
02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:17,280
between businesses and families.
And I, I think, OK, so this

1967
02:04:17,280 --> 02:04:20,080
guy's not, you know,
particularly a religious leader

1968
02:04:20,080 --> 02:04:23,040
of any kind.
And yet somehow he starts

1969
02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:27,640
delving into universal
principles and ideas that fit

1970
02:04:27,640 --> 02:04:31,600
right along with our scriptures,
that we are eternal beings and

1971
02:04:31,600 --> 02:04:34,200
that there are universal
principles that are so

1972
02:04:34,200 --> 02:04:35,960
absolutely important for all of
us.

1973
02:04:37,240 --> 02:04:43,560
Right.
I've got a little section here

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02:04:43,560 --> 02:04:46,840
from the book that Joni's been
putting together.

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02:04:49,480 --> 02:04:55,520
And while kind of in summing up
the ideas of how these gifts are

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02:04:55,520 --> 02:05:03,480
going to work in your life, this
is a little section that kind of

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02:05:03,480 --> 02:05:07,360
clarifies some things of what
what can you do in your life

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02:05:08,920 --> 02:05:12,440
right now?
Little steps to developing your

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02:05:12,440 --> 02:05:15,840
character.
You get what you tolerate.

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02:05:16,760 --> 02:05:19,080
I've spent a lot of time on the
streets with other troubled

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02:05:19,080 --> 02:05:21,080
youth and even in juvenile
detention.

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02:05:21,440 --> 02:05:24,560
You know what I learned?
If you left your mess for your

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02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:28,640
cellmate to clean up after you,
they punch you in the nose.

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02:05:29,880 --> 02:05:32,520
Yet, how often do you allow your
children to leave messes for

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02:05:32,520 --> 02:05:36,240
others to clean up after them?
Also, how often are you leaving

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02:05:36,240 --> 02:05:37,640
a mess for someone else to clean
up?

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02:05:38,960 --> 02:05:41,960
Do you always throw your trash
in a garbage can when traveling?

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02:05:42,280 --> 02:05:44,960
Do you always put your shopping
cart back in the supermarket

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02:05:44,960 --> 02:05:47,440
rack?
Do you always wipe off counters

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02:05:47,440 --> 02:05:50,920
and clean the toilet, toilet
seat, and bathrooms when you

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02:05:50,920 --> 02:05:54,600
splash or make a mess?
When you're invited to dinner,

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02:05:54,600 --> 02:05:57,720
do you ever wash your plate,
your your, your utensils, the

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02:05:57,720 --> 02:06:01,240
counter or any other dishes that
you got food from?

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02:06:02,160 --> 02:06:04,800
You may not have thought about
these things before, but they

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02:06:04,800 --> 02:06:07,920
are the very things that show a
high level of respect to others.

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02:06:08,520 --> 02:06:11,800
This principle is important
because we get exactly what we

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02:06:11,800 --> 02:06:14,240
tolerate in life.
It's also true that we get

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02:06:14,240 --> 02:06:17,880
exactly what we expect and
demand for our our children and

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02:06:18,320 --> 02:06:21,720
for ourselves.
So when it comes to these

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02:06:21,720 --> 02:06:25,200
principles, yeah, we just have a
whole laundry list of them.

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02:06:25,680 --> 02:06:31,040
How are we, how often are we
taking advantage of all those

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02:06:31,040 --> 02:06:33,040
wonderful gifts because they're
there for us?

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02:06:34,960 --> 02:06:37,120
Those are just some of the
thoughts that that have come.

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02:06:37,160 --> 02:06:40,240
You know, we've got Nephi and
what separated him.

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02:06:40,640 --> 02:06:44,920
We've looked at how the Savior
defines himself as meek and

2006
02:06:44,920 --> 02:06:52,520
lowly how Moses was was even
willing to be the big protector

2007
02:06:52,520 --> 02:06:57,520
of Hebrew on the women that were
getting their sheep and flocks,

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02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:03,120
you know, taken and that was
still being very meek.

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02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:05,920
I'm so all of these kind of
principles are all coming

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02:07:05,920 --> 02:07:10,560
together.
There's just one more section of

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02:07:10,560 --> 02:07:18,320
scriptures that I I have here in
life.

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02:07:18,320 --> 02:07:22,320
All of us are tempted in
different ways, and there's

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02:07:22,320 --> 02:07:26,760
three temptations that that
Jesus and all men seem to face.

2014
02:07:26,760 --> 02:07:31,080
They're mentioned in Matthew 4,
two through 11, pleasure, pride,

2015
02:07:31,080 --> 02:07:35,120
and property.
And putting this together, I

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02:07:35,760 --> 02:07:40,400
went through AI several times
and looked at 5 or 6 different

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02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:45,080
versions of this because I feel
like it was kind of missing some

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02:07:45,080 --> 02:07:50,360
of the meat here, that it was
not being as strong and helping

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02:07:50,360 --> 02:07:52,080
us to understand those
principles.

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02:07:52,440 --> 02:07:55,480
So I feel like I've, I've kind
of summed these up just a little

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02:07:55,480 --> 02:07:56,960
better than what I've seen
online.

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02:07:57,840 --> 02:08:01,880
So the first temptation is
turning the stones, turn these

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02:08:01,880 --> 02:08:05,480
stones into bread.
After 40 days of fasting, the

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02:08:05,480 --> 02:08:08,880
devil tempts Jesus to turn
stones into bread to end his

2025
02:08:08,880 --> 02:08:11,600
hunger, appealing to his
physical appetites and his

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02:08:11,600 --> 02:08:14,160
desire for bodily pleasure and
satisfaction.

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02:08:14,560 --> 02:08:18,080
Hedonism.
Jesus responds that humans live

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02:08:18,160 --> 02:08:20,600
on every word from God, not just
on bread.

2029
02:08:21,080 --> 02:08:23,480
You know, I think that's amazing
that, you know, his focus is

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02:08:23,480 --> 02:08:28,280
like as a rabbi, he was going to
share the law and his

2031
02:08:28,280 --> 02:08:31,560
understanding of the law and how
he did everything.

2032
02:08:31,800 --> 02:08:34,560
And if he was going to be
approached or hit, hit with

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02:08:34,560 --> 02:08:39,000
something, he was going to
return fire with what he his

2034
02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:43,440
intellectual understanding of
the scriptures and principles of

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02:08:43,440 --> 02:08:45,360
right and wrong.
Right.

2036
02:08:47,200 --> 02:08:49,640
That that to me is kind of
profound.

2037
02:08:49,640 --> 02:08:52,200
It's like, oh, I've never really
thought of it quite that way,

2038
02:08:53,120 --> 02:08:56,600
You know, are we looking at the
Scriptures as kind of that guide

2039
02:08:56,720 --> 02:08:58,880
in the way that Jesus did as his
rabbi?

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02:08:59,280 --> 02:09:03,600
You know, everybody who's
fasting for 40 days, you're

2041
02:09:03,600 --> 02:09:06,280
going to want to eat.
I, I've fasted 16 days straight.

2042
02:09:07,000 --> 02:09:09,800
I was pretty hungry.
Right.

2043
02:09:11,880 --> 02:09:15,200
And there could be a point when
you're just scrambled

2044
02:09:15,200 --> 02:09:18,920
physically, you just, I don't
know how do you do it 40 days

2045
02:09:19,240 --> 02:09:21,720
and not be tempted and continue
your focus.

2046
02:09:22,280 --> 02:09:25,120
The Spirit would have to have
been very strong with him.

2047
02:09:26,160 --> 02:09:29,480
And then the other temptation,
you know, jump from the temple.

2048
02:09:29,560 --> 02:09:33,480
Hey, the devil urges them, Jesus
jump from the highest point of

2049
02:09:33,480 --> 02:09:37,320
the temple saying God's angels,
they'll protect you and it will

2050
02:09:37,320 --> 02:09:40,760
be a miraculous sign proving his
divinity in a spectacular way

2051
02:09:40,760 --> 02:09:44,680
for the crowds below, appealing
to his pride, his desire for

2052
02:09:44,680 --> 02:09:48,000
personal glory, admiration,
vanity and ego.

2053
02:09:48,040 --> 02:09:50,680
Well, Jesus refuses, stating he
will not put his God to the

2054
02:09:50,680 --> 02:09:55,760
test.
Then the next one is worship me.

2055
02:09:55,760 --> 02:09:58,960
Finally, the devil shows Jesus
all the kingdoms of the world.

2056
02:09:59,600 --> 02:10:02,960
He offers them to Jesus if
you'll just bow down and worship

2057
02:10:03,160 --> 02:10:07,760
him well, appealing to his
desire to possess property and

2058
02:10:07,760 --> 02:10:11,840
his desire for wealth, power and
status, materialism of the

2059
02:10:11,840 --> 02:10:14,040
world.
Jesus refuses, saying that he

2060
02:10:14,040 --> 02:10:18,200
will only worship and serve God.
So that pleasure, pride and

2061
02:10:18,200 --> 02:10:23,840
property seems to fit almost
everything.

2062
02:10:23,960 --> 02:10:27,280
And of course, there's some
lengthier versions of what sins

2063
02:10:27,280 --> 02:10:29,640
are.
And Spencer W Kimball goes into

2064
02:10:29,640 --> 02:10:32,240
that with, you know, quite,
quite the book that makes you

2065
02:10:32,240 --> 02:10:36,920
really look at sin pretty
intensely, almost seems to be a

2066
02:10:36,920 --> 02:10:39,680
stretch because I know our
Heavenly Father is so kind and

2067
02:10:39,680 --> 02:10:43,520
so generous with his
forgiveness.

2068
02:10:45,040 --> 02:10:47,880
And I feel like we all need to
be that with ourselves.

2069
02:10:48,120 --> 02:10:49,560
I don't.
I think that most of us are

2070
02:10:49,560 --> 02:10:54,040
probably much more unkind to
ourselves when it comes to

2071
02:10:54,040 --> 02:10:59,320
forgiveness and not recognizing
that, you know, the things we do

2072
02:10:59,320 --> 02:11:03,120
today that should not get in the
way of our relationship with our

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02:11:03,120 --> 02:11:05,680
Father in heaven.
He wants that relationship now.

2074
02:11:08,440 --> 02:11:11,120
Are you saying that these are
the temptations that keep us

2075
02:11:11,120 --> 02:11:14,080
from putting on that, that
breastplate of righteousness

2076
02:11:14,080 --> 02:11:18,680
that, you know, the, the, the
temptation of, of property and

2077
02:11:18,680 --> 02:11:22,200
the temptation of, of maybe
overeating and the temptation

2078
02:11:22,200 --> 02:11:28,680
of, of just maybe not caring as
much as we should, figuring God

2079
02:11:28,680 --> 02:11:31,080
will take care of it?
What what?

2080
02:11:31,080 --> 02:11:32,520
What's your thoughts there with
that?

2081
02:11:33,840 --> 02:11:38,960
Well, those are the, the things
what, well, it's basically he's,

2082
02:11:39,320 --> 02:11:43,280
he's appealing to the, the body,
the emotion and the ego.

2083
02:11:43,440 --> 02:11:47,640
All those 3 appeals.
And those are things that

2084
02:11:47,640 --> 02:11:51,000
absolutely get in the way of us
getting direction from our

2085
02:11:51,000 --> 02:11:53,080
Father in heaven.
If we have those things in the

2086
02:11:53,080 --> 02:11:57,480
way our plate is already full,
our play already has something

2087
02:11:57,480 --> 02:12:03,040
in the way where that divine
revelation and guidance is not

2088
02:12:03,040 --> 02:12:05,640
going to get there.
Just as I was reading in those

2089
02:12:06,120 --> 02:12:11,280
several of those scriptures,
you're you can't have pride gets

2090
02:12:11,280 --> 02:12:13,200
in the way of you having that
charity.

2091
02:12:13,200 --> 02:12:16,080
Pride gets in the way of you
having that conversation with

2092
02:12:16,080 --> 02:12:20,960
God.
Joseph Smith guarantee lack of

2093
02:12:20,960 --> 02:12:23,560
pride.
He went and when he prayed,

2094
02:12:23,840 --> 02:12:27,680
total lack of pride.
He wanted to know more than

2095
02:12:27,680 --> 02:12:31,680
anything and felt like this is
what the scripture says.

2096
02:12:31,680 --> 02:12:33,920
I'm going to go figure it out.
I haven't really prayed like

2097
02:12:33,920 --> 02:12:36,880
this vocally.
Little awkward.

2098
02:12:38,160 --> 02:12:42,360
I'm going to go in the Grove and
where I chopped trees and speak

2099
02:12:42,360 --> 02:12:44,680
to God.
Hopefully he'll make some sense

2100
02:12:44,680 --> 02:12:47,000
of this.
I agree with what you're putting

2101
02:12:47,000 --> 02:12:49,800
out there that that these are
the things that that the

2102
02:12:49,800 --> 02:12:54,360
adversary is going to try to do
to get you to not put on the

2103
02:12:54,360 --> 02:12:57,240
armor, right?
These temptations, as the

2104
02:12:57,240 --> 02:13:05,040
spiritual battle intensifies and
it's going to intensify, the

2105
02:13:05,040 --> 02:13:10,720
adversary isn't going to use our
most basis desires to tempt us

2106
02:13:10,720 --> 02:13:17,040
most of the time.
He is going to use our worthy

2107
02:13:17,040 --> 02:13:19,000
desires.
Oh yeah.

2108
02:13:20,440 --> 02:13:23,520
To try to bring them around.
So these temptations that Christ

2109
02:13:23,520 --> 02:13:27,840
has, I'm going to make a bold
statement, but I'm willing to

2110
02:13:27,840 --> 02:13:29,800
stand on it.
I don't think that's the full

2111
02:13:29,800 --> 02:13:34,920
account.
I don't think we'll ever know in

2112
02:13:34,920 --> 02:13:40,920
this life what that really was.
But I would dare to bet that He

2113
02:13:40,920 --> 02:13:45,360
played on the Savior's emotion,
on the Savior's righteous

2114
02:13:45,360 --> 02:13:52,520
desires to get things done.
And as we go forward, we are

2115
02:13:52,520 --> 02:13:55,120
going to have to have so much
discernment.

2116
02:13:55,560 --> 02:13:58,480
And I think that's why this
breastplate of righteousness is

2117
02:13:58,480 --> 02:14:02,920
so important, because it's going
to cover our hearts, because

2118
02:14:02,920 --> 02:14:04,600
we're going to have to protect
our hearts.

2119
02:14:04,920 --> 02:14:08,280
And we're going to have to have
so much discernment that we

2120
02:14:08,280 --> 02:14:11,600
don't get swept up in the
emotion of things that we can

2121
02:14:11,600 --> 02:14:15,560
take a step back and say,
divorce ourselves of, of the

2122
02:14:15,560 --> 02:14:19,840
anger or the hurt or the pain
and say, what is it God wants me

2123
02:14:19,840 --> 02:14:22,600
to do in this moment?
Because we will be tested to

2124
02:14:22,600 --> 02:14:25,800
take that and tempted to take
that armor off.

2125
02:14:25,840 --> 02:14:28,800
And it's going to become
extremely important that we

2126
02:14:28,800 --> 02:14:34,480
don't.
Yeah, Amen, brother.

2127
02:14:38,080 --> 02:14:39,440
All right.
And when I was putting this

2128
02:14:39,440 --> 02:14:43,920
together about the savior, I
felt like the the story was like

2129
02:14:44,000 --> 02:14:49,480
as like there's just much more
to it that it just really does.

2130
02:14:49,480 --> 02:14:53,440
I didn't feel like it gets to
the full essence of how strong

2131
02:14:53,920 --> 02:14:56,240
that message would have been for
him.

2132
02:14:56,440 --> 02:15:03,120
To me, how we view the Savior,
those temptations wouldn't seem

2133
02:15:04,160 --> 02:15:08,920
put in a very powerful way, like
OK, next, next.

2134
02:15:09,480 --> 02:15:17,520
But being brilliant and having
the spirit of the Lord and

2135
02:15:17,800 --> 02:15:24,040
having the position that he has
as our elder brother, it would

2136
02:15:24,040 --> 02:15:29,080
have to be incredible amount of
temptation that he would throw

2137
02:15:29,080 --> 02:15:34,680
at him, really done in a way
that would be very challenging

2138
02:15:35,360 --> 02:15:39,640
to him probably personally.
Even with the spirit, even with

2139
02:15:39,640 --> 02:15:43,360
the spirit, what's the point of
it if it wasn't he, right?

2140
02:15:44,000 --> 02:15:49,000
The the thing that stunned me so
much, you know, my experience,

2141
02:15:49,000 --> 02:15:53,240
kind of similar to yours.
There were some things that were

2142
02:15:53,240 --> 02:16:01,320
said, you know, by him that by
Satan that really stunned me

2143
02:16:04,320 --> 02:16:06,800
very much to the core.
Like I, I, I, I could not

2144
02:16:06,800 --> 02:16:12,480
imagine another person, another
human being saying this that out

2145
02:16:12,480 --> 02:16:15,320
of the question.
The intelligence was much higher

2146
02:16:15,320 --> 02:16:20,120
than a normal person and his
ability to articulate things

2147
02:16:20,600 --> 02:16:24,800
second to none patriarchal
blessing about the closest thing

2148
02:16:24,800 --> 02:16:30,920
to that conversation and just,
you know, spiritual visitations,

2149
02:16:30,920 --> 02:16:32,760
those kind of things.
That's that's the only things

2150
02:16:32,760 --> 02:16:38,680
that would be similar as far as
his abilities.

2151
02:16:39,160 --> 02:16:42,840
And I thought that interesting
that no longer in the temple is

2152
02:16:42,840 --> 02:16:46,719
the the priesthood power being
mentioned by, you know, it's

2153
02:16:46,719 --> 02:16:48,520
not, there's no reference to
that.

2154
02:16:48,520 --> 02:16:53,000
And yet he clearly has power.
Absolutely.

2155
02:16:53,160 --> 02:16:56,760
And to what depth it it's it's a
massive amount of power,

2156
02:16:56,760 --> 02:17:01,480
whatever that level is enough
that it shutters my soul to even

2157
02:17:01,559 --> 02:17:04,959
give it much attention.
It's just, it's literally beyond

2158
02:17:04,959 --> 02:17:07,280
description.
Like I have worked for some

2159
02:17:07,280 --> 02:17:11,600
things and I I can't really even
articulate the level of

2160
02:17:11,600 --> 02:17:16,440
brilliance and evil that I felt
around him like that.

2161
02:17:16,440 --> 02:17:19,120
What happened at Hill Kimura?
Incredible.

2162
02:17:19,440 --> 02:17:20,959
Straight, incredible.
Yep.

2163
02:17:25,240 --> 02:17:29,680
So yeah, gone through a bunch of
the little scriptures and

2164
02:17:29,680 --> 02:17:34,040
thoughts.
Glad that I was able to get

2165
02:17:34,040 --> 02:17:41,680
through most of this.
Kind of wanted to wrap up a bit

2166
02:17:41,680 --> 02:17:45,440
with something that I shared as
a missionary in Virginia during

2167
02:17:45,440 --> 02:17:48,200
the holidays with the families
that I would knock on doors

2168
02:17:48,200 --> 02:17:51,639
with.
And no, it's not Christmas time,

2169
02:17:52,160 --> 02:17:56,680
you know when this is going to
be coming out, but this is

2170
02:17:56,680 --> 02:17:59,200
definitely the season where I
think of my Savior more.

2171
02:17:59,280 --> 02:18:03,879
And I'm so glad to see the
nativity and parts are turned to

2172
02:18:03,879 --> 02:18:07,280
giving to other people more.
So I do love to see that.

2173
02:18:08,240 --> 02:18:11,080
That is a wonderful, wonderful
time of year.

2174
02:18:12,160 --> 02:18:18,440
Well, when I knock on doors,
most everybody in Virginia, just

2175
02:18:18,440 --> 02:18:21,480
to give a little back story
there, it's so Christian.

2176
02:18:21,480 --> 02:18:24,120
You have, they're going to some
church, most everyone.

2177
02:18:24,120 --> 02:18:26,920
And so we would knock on the
doors and I'd say, hey, we're

2178
02:18:26,920 --> 02:18:28,840
ministers from the local church
over here.

2179
02:18:29,200 --> 02:18:31,520
And I would try to speak in
their language as much as

2180
02:18:31,520 --> 02:18:35,520
possible so that, you know, they
had some familiarity and, you

2181
02:18:35,520 --> 02:18:37,879
know, we, our church is right
over here.

2182
02:18:38,440 --> 02:18:41,360
Name the street and the, the
place so that they could

2183
02:18:41,360 --> 02:18:43,760
recognize it.
And we're going around sharing

2184
02:18:43,760 --> 02:18:45,799
kind of a Christmas message
about Jesus.

2185
02:18:46,879 --> 02:18:49,240
Would that be OK if we share
that with you?

2186
02:18:49,240 --> 02:18:51,320
Do you have your children?
So I would throw that in there

2187
02:18:51,320 --> 02:18:53,760
so that now they're thinking
about, you know, this is just a

2188
02:18:53,760 --> 02:18:56,680
short little message.
And this is one that I, it's

2189
02:18:56,680 --> 02:18:59,360
always touched my heart, you
know, during that time, I, I did

2190
02:18:59,360 --> 02:19:02,719
this one a lot.
So it's, it's Messiah chapter 3.

2191
02:19:03,520 --> 02:19:11,080
And it's, it's where he, he
comes and comes out to the

2192
02:19:11,080 --> 02:19:15,320
people, you know, King Messiah.
And he tells all the people.

2193
02:19:15,320 --> 02:19:17,600
He says, the things which I'll
tell you today are made known

2194
02:19:17,600 --> 02:19:20,600
unto me by an Angel of God.
He woke me up and stood before

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02:19:20,600 --> 02:19:23,760
me.
He said, The Lord hath heard thy

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02:19:23,760 --> 02:19:26,200
prayers.
And he sent me to declare unto

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02:19:26,200 --> 02:19:30,240
thee that thou mayest rejoice,
and that that people may also be

2198
02:19:30,240 --> 02:19:33,600
filled with joy.
For behold, the time cometh, and

2199
02:19:33,600 --> 02:19:37,879
is not far distant, that with
power the Lord Omnipotent, who

2200
02:19:37,879 --> 02:19:41,600
reigneth, who was and is from
all eternity to all eternity,

2201
02:19:42,240 --> 02:19:45,360
shall come down from heaven
among the children of men, and

2202
02:19:45,360 --> 02:19:49,160
shall dwell in a Tabernacle of
clay, and shall go forth amongst

2203
02:19:49,160 --> 02:19:53,520
men, working mighty miracles,
such as healing the sick,

2204
02:19:53,520 --> 02:19:57,320
raising the dead, causing the
Lamb to walk, the blind to

2205
02:19:57,320 --> 02:20:00,800
receive their sight, and the
deaf to hear, and curing all

2206
02:20:00,800 --> 02:20:04,880
manner of diseases.
And he shall cast out devils, or

2207
02:20:04,880 --> 02:20:07,640
the evil spirits which dwell in
the hearts of the children of

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02:20:07,640 --> 02:20:10,200
men.
And lo, he shall suffer

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02:20:10,200 --> 02:20:13,800
temptations and pain of body,
hunger, thirst, and fatigue,

2210
02:20:14,200 --> 02:20:17,800
even more than man can suffer,
except it be unto death.

2211
02:20:18,600 --> 02:20:22,240
For behold, blood cometh from
every pore, so great shall be

2212
02:20:22,240 --> 02:20:25,320
his anguish for the wickedness
and abominations of his people.

2213
02:20:26,440 --> 02:20:29,920
And he shall be called Jesus
Christ, the Son of God, the

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02:20:29,920 --> 02:20:33,080
Father of heaven and earth, the
creator of all things from the

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02:20:33,080 --> 02:20:35,120
beginning.
And his mother shall be called

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02:20:35,120 --> 02:20:39,080
Mary.
And then I'll just kind of share

2217
02:20:39,080 --> 02:20:42,080
my thoughts, you know, about
Jesus is being this wonderful

2218
02:20:42,080 --> 02:20:45,360
gift.
And I'm glad to feel to learn

2219
02:20:45,360 --> 02:20:51,040
from his example and kind of,
you know, wish them well, kind

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02:20:51,040 --> 02:20:53,600
of introduce ourselves a little
bit more, learn a little bit

2221
02:20:53,600 --> 02:20:57,640
more about their family and, and
say we can come back and teach

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02:20:57,640 --> 02:21:01,480
you again another, another time.
But as I, you know, I've thought

2223
02:21:01,480 --> 02:21:08,600
of this message so often as
members of the LDS church or

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02:21:08,600 --> 02:21:12,760
fundamentalist, most people I
don't see living up to their

2225
02:21:12,760 --> 02:21:15,560
full potential with all these
gifts, dreams and visions and

2226
02:21:15,560 --> 02:21:20,960
healings.
And our Heavenly Father wants us

2227
02:21:20,960 --> 02:21:22,920
all to have that right now,
today.

2228
02:21:23,800 --> 02:21:31,680
And if we to ask him for his
assistance, we turn to him and

2229
02:21:31,680 --> 02:21:35,880
we are really sincere because
that is the key, that humility

2230
02:21:35,880 --> 02:21:40,800
that that meekness, he will
come.

2231
02:21:41,120 --> 02:21:44,080
He will come see you.
He will come visit you.

2232
02:21:44,360 --> 02:21:48,240
He will heal your your heart,
your soul of the the pains that

2233
02:21:48,240 --> 02:21:50,680
you've had.
He will fill you up.

2234
02:21:52,960 --> 02:21:54,720
He will make the burdens you
feel.

2235
02:21:55,960 --> 02:21:58,800
It will feel lighter.
You'll feel happiness.

2236
02:21:58,800 --> 02:22:03,080
You'll feel joy where you had
despair and no hope before.

2237
02:22:03,080 --> 02:22:05,920
You'll recognize that there is a
purpose to this life.

2238
02:22:06,160 --> 02:22:09,640
You'll recognize that the
challenges that you're facing

2239
02:22:09,640 --> 02:22:13,560
are all they're built for your
blessing and your good and your

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02:22:13,560 --> 02:22:18,320
character development so that
you can have the the ultimate

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02:22:18,520 --> 02:22:23,760
happiness in the next life
moving forward forever, not just

2242
02:22:23,760 --> 02:22:27,080
for the challenges that you have
in face today, that you can be

2243
02:22:27,080 --> 02:22:30,520
happy here as much as possible
on this earth.

2244
02:22:30,920 --> 02:22:34,040
But there is so much more in
store for us that, you know, the

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02:22:34,040 --> 02:22:37,000
scriptures say that if we had
any idea, we would all be

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02:22:37,160 --> 02:22:39,200
fighting and scrambling to have
that.

2247
02:22:39,600 --> 02:22:44,960
And, and even us as believers in
the restoration, we know that

2248
02:22:44,960 --> 02:22:48,000
this is what the scriptures say.
And sometimes we're not just all

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02:22:48,360 --> 02:22:51,800
fighting and scrambling, you
know, can I get there?

2250
02:22:51,800 --> 02:22:54,960
How do I get there?
What do I do, you know, but the

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02:22:54,960 --> 02:22:58,440
answer is, you know, pray for
every corner.

2252
02:22:58,440 --> 02:23:02,440
What building do I go to?
What is this that I go to here?

2253
02:23:02,600 --> 02:23:06,120
Who do I talk to?
The the prayers will come.

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02:23:06,320 --> 02:23:09,280
We'll get the answers on how to
find our little lost child.

2255
02:23:09,280 --> 02:23:11,920
We'll get the the answers on
where to get the job.

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02:23:12,120 --> 02:23:15,600
Our bodies will heal with with
that faith that we have and that

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02:23:15,600 --> 02:23:17,680
love that we feel from our
Father in heaven.

2258
02:23:19,800 --> 02:23:23,960
I, I see so many in this group.
I've heard so many that have

2259
02:23:23,960 --> 02:23:27,200
these wonderful gifts and just
showing up to church.

2260
02:23:28,760 --> 02:23:31,160
I've heard testimony after
testimony of these wonderful

2261
02:23:31,160 --> 02:23:34,080
gifts of our Father in heaven
bestowed on us.

2262
02:23:35,280 --> 02:23:40,160
And I don't have all of those
gifts, but I've had multiples of

2263
02:23:40,160 --> 02:23:44,240
them enough to know of God's
love deeply and, you know,

2264
02:23:44,240 --> 02:23:46,000
feeling it from the bottom of my
heart.

2265
02:23:46,080 --> 02:23:55,240
And you know, as a as someone
who kind of I believe, I believe

2266
02:23:55,240 --> 02:23:58,560
in Jesus Christ promises, you
know, Messiah 18 when he says,

2267
02:23:58,560 --> 02:24:01,080
you know, mourn for those that
mourn, comfort those that stand

2268
02:24:01,080 --> 02:24:04,760
needed in need of comfort.
You know, I'm willing to I'm

2269
02:24:04,760 --> 02:24:06,880
game.
You know, those people who are

2270
02:24:06,880 --> 02:24:10,520
listening to this that really
just aren't sure if the

2271
02:24:10,520 --> 02:24:14,120
restoration is the truth or not.
Hey, I'll fast and pray with

2272
02:24:14,120 --> 02:24:18,240
you.
Call send me a note that's

2273
02:24:18,240 --> 02:24:21,800
important.
I'm here to assist however I can

2274
02:24:21,800 --> 02:24:25,680
in helping my brothers and
sisters have their own spiritual

2275
02:24:25,680 --> 02:24:28,640
experiences, whatever that is
for them.

2276
02:24:29,080 --> 02:24:31,800
But I know that our Heavenly
Father wants to show himself to

2277
02:24:31,840 --> 02:24:34,720
all of us.
I've only seen just a little bit

2278
02:24:34,720 --> 02:24:37,600
of that in my life, which is
significant.

2279
02:24:39,560 --> 02:24:43,920
More than most would ever even
dream happened, has happened to

2280
02:24:43,920 --> 02:24:46,520
me already.
And I know that Heavenly Father

2281
02:24:46,520 --> 02:24:49,680
has even greater gifts in store
for us and all of us.

2282
02:24:50,920 --> 02:24:55,000
And I just, you know, have
prayed that, you know, some of

2283
02:24:55,000 --> 02:24:57,920
my words and some of my ways of
putting some of these scriptures

2284
02:24:57,920 --> 02:25:02,080
together will be of value And
touch your hearts, touch the

2285
02:25:02,080 --> 02:25:06,480
hearts of everyone here and
giving them more hope and a

2286
02:25:06,480 --> 02:25:09,320
greater trust and faith in their
heavenly Father.

2287
02:25:09,320 --> 02:25:15,360
And my hope is that everyone of
you develops more meekness, more

2288
02:25:15,360 --> 02:25:21,480
charity.
Serve other people as any way

2289
02:25:21,480 --> 02:25:26,160
you can because he'll fill,
he'll fill you up and guide you

2290
02:25:26,160 --> 02:25:28,000
much more by every little thing
you do.

2291
02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:31,880
Nephi got the ceiling power
because of his great desire to

2292
02:25:31,880 --> 02:25:34,040
teach and his willingness to do
that.

2293
02:25:34,040 --> 02:25:37,320
And if you go out and teach and
you give and you serve others

2294
02:25:37,320 --> 02:25:40,320
and bring them to the gospel of
Jesus Christ, he's going to fill

2295
02:25:40,320 --> 02:25:43,720
your cup and he's going to give
you the sealing power as well

2296
02:25:43,720 --> 02:25:47,360
and visit you and comfort you
when you have these challenges

2297
02:25:47,360 --> 02:25:50,360
in your life.
And that's just, you know, my

2298
02:25:50,360 --> 02:25:53,640
knowledge and my prayer for all
of you.

2299
02:25:53,840 --> 02:25:55,720
I say this in the name of Jesus
Christ, Amen.

2300
02:25:56,560 --> 02:25:59,240
Amen.
Thanks, Corey.

2301
02:25:59,360 --> 02:26:03,120
That was a lot of good stuff.
As as I sit here and I look at

2302
02:26:03,120 --> 02:26:09,280
at this right, that breastplate
of righteousness, it is so

2303
02:26:09,280 --> 02:26:13,280
incumbent upon each of us that
we spend the time necessary.

2304
02:26:13,280 --> 02:26:18,760
And Corey's given us some great
insights on how to put that on

2305
02:26:18,760 --> 02:26:21,840
and what that breastplate is and
and how it functions.

2306
02:26:23,200 --> 02:26:26,960
But guarding the heart is going
to be increasingly important in

2307
02:26:26,960 --> 02:26:28,680
the coming days, months and
years.

2308
02:26:29,120 --> 02:26:33,840
I really believe that if our
hearts fail us and we become

2309
02:26:33,880 --> 02:26:39,360
angry and our love towards our
fellow man waxes cold, we can't

2310
02:26:39,360 --> 02:26:43,480
be the instrument we need.
The other way our heart can fail

2311
02:26:43,480 --> 02:26:48,960
us is if we lose our courage, if
we don't stand where we ought to

2312
02:26:48,960 --> 02:26:50,840
stand and do the things we got
to do.

2313
02:26:52,320 --> 02:26:55,600
Look, I hate to break it to you.
If you're listening to this

2314
02:26:55,600 --> 02:27:01,920
podcast, it is not an accident.
No one, no one gets to the

2315
02:27:01,920 --> 02:27:06,640
fundamentalist podcast, dude,
without without asking a few

2316
02:27:06,640 --> 02:27:10,360
questions first.
So no matter where you are,

2317
02:27:10,360 --> 02:27:13,600
right, if you're in the LDS
church, if you're a

2318
02:27:13,600 --> 02:27:17,600
fundamentalist, if you're in a
different, if you're an

2319
02:27:17,600 --> 02:27:21,120
uncorrelated Mormon, whatever it
is, you need to stop and you

2320
02:27:21,120 --> 02:27:25,800
need to ask the questions, why?
What is my calling?

2321
02:27:26,360 --> 02:27:30,520
How do I execute my calling?
And then how do you work with

2322
02:27:30,520 --> 02:27:34,600
the Lord to accomplish that?
Because you're here for a reason

2323
02:27:34,600 --> 02:27:39,400
at this time, at this place,
wherever that is, and you have a

2324
02:27:39,400 --> 02:27:44,240
work to do.
I'm not going to have Corey's

2325
02:27:44,240 --> 02:27:46,720
experiences.
Corey isn't going to have mine

2326
02:27:46,720 --> 02:27:48,160
and we're not going to have
yours.

2327
02:27:48,680 --> 02:27:52,480
Your experiences are unique to
you because you needed them

2328
02:27:53,080 --> 02:27:55,040
because of the work that you
have to do.

2329
02:27:55,640 --> 02:27:59,520
So I beg you, get on your knees,
find out what your calling is,

2330
02:27:59,840 --> 02:28:03,800
and then learn to strap on that
armor because the restored

2331
02:28:03,800 --> 02:28:06,680
gospel of Jesus Christ is not a
spectator sport.

2332
02:28:07,240 --> 02:28:10,080
You don't get to just hang out
on the sidelines and watch it.

2333
02:28:10,080 --> 02:28:17,120
Everyone's got a chance to play,
so get right with God, do

2334
02:28:17,120 --> 02:28:20,040
whatever it is you got to do to
clean out the junk in your life.

2335
02:28:20,720 --> 02:28:24,520
Just clean it out, let it go,
and then get ready to go to work

2336
02:28:24,520 --> 02:28:25,920
'cause I think the times are
here.

2337
02:28:26,920 --> 02:28:29,880
Corey, that was awesome.
I appreciate your time.

2338
02:28:31,200 --> 02:28:36,000
We'll have to jump on again.
Sounds good, just love you all

2339
02:28:36,000 --> 02:28:40,440
and I wish everyone the best and
I pray that you know that Spirit

2340
02:28:40,440 --> 02:28:43,800
of the Lord and that guidance
will just open all kinds of

2341
02:28:43,800 --> 02:28:47,280
things up for you.
And grateful to serve.

2342
02:28:48,400 --> 02:28:50,360
Good stuff.
Thanks again.

2343
02:28:50,520 --> 02:28:52,280
All right, we'll talk to you
next time.

2344
02:28:52,840 --> 02:28:53,600
Bye everybody.