Episode #209: Sharing The Gospel Using A.I. W/Josh From Dare To Be Mormon

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The you're listening to the
Mormon Renegade podcast.

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Joshua, what's going on, man?
It's going good.

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I just got back from Seattle, so
it's nice to be back home to

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Utah.
Dude, Seattle is rough.

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No, it's not.
You like Seattle?

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Yeah, I like Seattle a lot.
I like going up there when I

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can.
Yep.

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Gotcha gotcha.
I'm not a fan of Seattle proper.

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I get my I did spend some
summers with my grandparents up

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in Port Orchard, which was a
good area.

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But man, I had a couple projects
up in Seattle from time to time

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and I just was not a fan.
It was it was a little rough.

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But that.
Could have been the fact I was

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in some in some rougher parts of
the area.

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Well, since they cleaned up near
Pike's Place market, it's a lot

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better now.
When did they clean that up?

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A few years ago, they took out
the overpass.

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Really.
Yeah, so now it's a walkable

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area a lot more and it's just a
lot nicer.

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So yeah, very.
Cool.

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So you know the you know, but
the audience doesn't know.

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The reason I got you on is
because, man, you've been busy.

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You've been producing some
videos that that deal with the

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fullness of the gospel.
Yes, Sir, That's you know, I I

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was I I like working with AII,
like making stupid like I would

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make still images of like
Cowboys and Indians and stuff,

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just like like have it rotate
and stuff.

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But yeah, this time around,
since sorry, I came out, it's

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just been I was just really
drawn to produce gospel content

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because I'm kind of just kind of
tired of anti Mormons on TikTok

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and anti Mormonism in general.
And especially like, you know,

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that that one woman that did
that New York Times article and

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was wearing a temple garments
and stuff.

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Like I've seen a lot of that on
TikTok to where they actually

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perform the signs and tokens as
well.

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And it's just like it frustrates
me so much that you want to make

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a mockery of what you've
learned.

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And I don't think they actually
realized that God will come back

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and bite you because it's just,
he will not be mocked.

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So and it's just like, it's been
so important for me to get these

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videos made and like, show like
the good and the bad of the

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church, you know, like the
Mountain Meadows Massacre.

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Like someone actually asked me,
they're like, hey, can you do

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Mountain Meadows?
I was like, sure, I can do

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Mountain Meadows and made that
up real quick.

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And like it takes me for like my
long episodes that I make.

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It takes me about like a full
working day.

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So like I'd say 16 to 18 hours
of like just typing in prompts

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and having the AI go through it.
So I can actually find like the

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videos I like, with the audio
that I like, and with the

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dialogue that the AI creates. 16
to 18 hours.

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And when you say longer videos,
what what, what are we talking

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about?
Like lengthwise?

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They're about 5 minutes long.
Like I have the Utah War, John

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Taylor and the vision of plural
marriage and then I have the

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tree of life.
I got the brother Jared, and

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then I did the current Bush
story by Huey Brown, and then I

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just released a quick summary of
Mormon Mormon's life.

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So those are my longest videos
I've been like producing.

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Oh man, I've been looking at the
numbers and it doesn't look like

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it's being received badly at
all.

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I mean it.
I was when when when I first got

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got it showed to me.
I was like, Oh, I got to get

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this guy on because look,
anybody who makes content like

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that, that talk about the
fullness of the gospel, I'm

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there for it, right?
I think, you know, there's so

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much in our world that can be
used for either good and bad,

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right?
And, and I believe AI as well as

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the Internet, it it's the same
thing, right?

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It's, it's, it's like any other
tool.

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You can take a hammer and you
can build a house with it, or

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you could use it to, to, to hit
somebody with right.

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And that's all up to the person
using it.

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So whenever I see anyone using
tech to, to further the gospel,

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man, I, I get excited and, and I
really got excited when, when I,

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when I saw your videos.
And, and we're going to play a

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couple of those here in just a
few minutes.

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But before we dive in there, I,
I want to get a little bit

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background on you.
This, this is the part I always

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like to talk about.
You know, this is this is where

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you get to lay down your Mormon
St. cred, right?

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Tell, tell us kind of a little
bit about where you're from.

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So are you from the mainstream
church?

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Are you, are you a
fundamentalist?

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Like, like what's your journey?
How'd you end up on this

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podcast?
Well, I ended up on this podcast

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back in 2022 when you started
and when you were talking about

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the temple changes that like the
the very first one of those

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episodes.
And it was it was very

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interesting to listen to those
podcasts.

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And then.
But I am I consider myself

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mainstream Mormon, but I kind of
like lean a little independent

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though.
I'm just like, yeah, mainstream,

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mainstream is good.
But you know, there's there's

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still a lot of truth out there
that the church wants to just go

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never happened.
Don't worry about it.

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It's it's, it's whatever we're
let's not talk about it.

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Let's just focus on the second
coming.

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But yeah, I was, I was born in
1995, so I'm almost 30 and I

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grew up in predominantly in the
Wyoming area, Rock Springs

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Superior.
And I was, I was baptized in

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Rock Springs as well.
And I wasn't active for a long

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while until I actually, I had
my, my grandpa, he bought me a,

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a Dodge Neon.
So it was a stick shift.

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I, I, I miss that.
I, I miss that car sometimes.

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But I was actually going to hang
out with my friend who, who's

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LDS as well.
His name's Sean.

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And like where the stake Center
for Rock Springs is, it's like

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sits above, like the Rock
Springs High School if you're

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heading westbound.
Exactly where you're talking

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about.
Yeah.

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And I was just going to go hang
out with them over during the

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summertime.
And I was driving and I was

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looking at the stake center and
I heard the Spirit speak to me

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saying you need to go back to
church.

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And this is what I was about 16
at the time.

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And.
So hang tight real quick.

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Were were were your were your
folks raised LDS as well?

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Yes, my mom my mom was raised
LDS, my grandpa was baptized LDS

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and just my mom worked a lot and
my grandpa he didn't really go

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to church a lot so I once I had
a vehicle I was able to go back

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to church but at.
At 16, you received this

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prompting.
Yes.

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And I, I went to my friend's
house and that was like the

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first thing I asked him.
I was like, hey, Sean, I need

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you to ask your dad to see what
ward I belong to and see about

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having me get back to church and
everything.

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And he got me the information
and I started going back to

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church.
And then I moved down to here to

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Utah my junior year of high
school and got ready for my

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mission when I turned 19, after
I graduated from Northridge High

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School in Layton.
And during that time too, I had

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a, a really big prompting from
the spirit as well, because my

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junior year we were studying the
Book of Mormon in seminary, as

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we, you know, always do.
But my teacher, brother Robbins,

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he was like, you guys need to
actually take the promise of

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Mormon and come to find out if
the Book of Mormon is true for

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yourself.
And I said, I said to myself,

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I'm going to do that.
And I, I read through the whole

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Book of Mormon and I got to that
point where the, where Maroni

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gives his promise and I, I
finished reading it.

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I set the Book of Mormon down.
I kneeled down from the Book of

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Mormon and I just, I, I did a
simple prayer of Heavenly

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Father.
I'd like to know that the Book

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of Mormon is true.
And it was kind of late at

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night.
I don't know if it was a school

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weekend or not.
I'd have to look in my journal.

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But I go to bed and I, I have a,
a dream where there's a whole

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bunch of people just like
running away from this bright

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light.
And I'm going towards it.

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And all of a sudden I see the 12
apostles, like ancient 12

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apostles wearing a whole bunch
of different multi colored robes

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come down.
And then in the middle of it is

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Jesus, who's wearing a, a bright
white robe.

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I didn't see his face.
So, but it was just, it was just

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so bright.
And the one question that Jesus

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asked me was, do you know how to
pray?

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And I said to him, I said, I do.
It's our Father who art in

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heaven and he says that's it.
And then I wake up from my dream

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and you know, I try, I'm not,
I'm not trying to get emotional,

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but that's just something that
can never be taken away from me.

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And I, I hold that near and dear
to my heart because I know that

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it is true that Joseph Smith was
a true prophet and that he did

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translate from golden plates and
you know that.

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And recently too, I had, I went
to Palmyra this year and I

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don't, it was like February this
year, February or January.

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And I went, I went to the
temple.

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I was just like, you know, God.
I just want to have a a good

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experience up here and Palmyra
and just to know the truth of

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things and get done with my
temple session.

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I do the tour of the Joseph
Smith family farm and we get to

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the point of where the tour
guide was like this.

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And this is where in the little
shed that Joseph Smith hides the

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golden plates and flax seeds.
And I'm just like, I'm taking

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pictures.
And I'm like, you know, I should

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really take a picture of the
attic space of that little shed.

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And then all of a sudden, I hear
a voice saying, you know, it's

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true after all.
And I just, like, I started

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crying.
But yeah, that was just another

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experience I had.
But I did serve a full time

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mission.
Now I did serve a full time

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mission and I, I was the Georgia
Atlanta N mission.

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And I, I came home early because
there was some, there was a

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little bit of drama back at my
grandma's house with ward

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members that were kind of taking
advantage of her.

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So I decided I was just like,
you know what?

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I'm not seeing the blessings of
a mission affect my family.

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They they should.
So I'm just going to go home.

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Gotcha.
And then, oh, were you going to

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ask a question?
Yeah, just just out of

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curiosity, when, when, when you
come home from your mission

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early, do you get any Flack from
your ward or your Bishop or your

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sick president, anything like
that?

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A little bit, but like I just, I
just didn't really really care.

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I was just like, I'm done.
I don't really care about

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anything.
Like I, I just became very

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neutral because I was just like,
where, where were these

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blessings that were supposed to
be happening while I was out in

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the field?
Like that's how I felt a lot

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during that time.
But after that I started working

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in security, COVID hit, quit
work in security, started doing

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warehouse work.
And then I'm I'm now

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self-employed where I I'm a
pilot car driver with oversized

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loads.
So I get to travel across the

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country a lot of the time too
now.

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Not a bad gig.
No, it's not.

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I mean it, it makes decent money
and then sometimes I stress out

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going, Oh my gosh, I I might not
have enough money to make it

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home, but yeah.
Right, right.

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That's that's big stuff.
So so on your mission, did did

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you have and, and I'm going to
use air quotes here for this

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much success when you were on
your mission.

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I was, yeah, I had success.
I had my.

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In total I had three baptisms
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That's pretty good.
Well, actually one of them.

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My, my, my companion and I,
Elder Pena, we actually got text

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message from someone and they're
like, hey, I'd like to get

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baptized.
We were like, wait, what?

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Someone wants to get baptized
already?

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And so we go over to their house
and the woman, her name was

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Alexandria.
She was like, yeah, I just took

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a test online.
Just one of those Facebook ones

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and it says I would align with
the Mormon church.

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So I want to learn about the
Mormon church.

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And she was baptized.
Once again, cat can be both a

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good and a bad thing.
So that's that's pretty good.

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So, so yeah, I mean, that's the
most golden of golden context

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when they say, would you come
over and baptize me?

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So that's that's not a bad way
to start it out.

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No, that was like within, I'd
say the first three months of me

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being out on the field.
Wow, Wow.

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Yeah, You're thinking.
I don't know why everyone was

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saying this whole mission thing
so hard.

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It seems pretty easy to me.
You just hang by the phone and

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they call up.
It's a numbers game at the end

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of the day, though, so it's just
like, I'm just like that.

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That was another reason why I
wanted to leave the mission too.

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Is like I was like, oh, I'm I'm
so excited to go out.

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I'm so excited to do this and
numbers like, oh, OK, well I

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guess we'll work on numbers,
whatever.

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Right.
So as a missionary, you would

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have had to have gone through
the temple, right?

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Yes.
What you think of that

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experience?
You know, looking back at it

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back, because I did it in 2015
and I, I, it was an interesting

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experience.
And then before I left on my

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mission, my friend and I, my
friend Kimball, we went to the

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Bountiful Temple together with
his dad.

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And once we finished the session
and we were in the celestial

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room, his dad's like, oh, did
you know, I'm going to tell you

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this?
Like we took out the, oh, what

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is it?
The death penalty tokens back in

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the 90s.
And I was like, oh, there was

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death penalty tokens.
Like what I didn't know about

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that.
Like that's interesting.

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But but now, now talking to the
temple and like what's going on

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currently with it?
I, I've listened to your

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podcast, like I said, and you,
you worked at the Salt Lake

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Temple during the renovations
and, and you saw the destruction

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of all that.
I did.

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Sorry, I'm just kind of that
great pioneer artwork.

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Right.
That just really depicted

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everything.
Yep, sorry I got emotional but.

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Oh, you're good, man.
It happens.

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You know, that was the first
time I actually did a live

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session too.
I was seeing a live session.

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Man, I wish I was able to do a
live session before they changed

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up Manti.
But but just that destruction of

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the pioneer artwork just is
just, it really upset me knowing

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that, but.
Few years back I started to get

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the feeling that we as
fundamentalists and orthodox

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Mormons, we need our own stuff.
Up to now we've been able to buy

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and purchase all of our
scriptures, books, art and music

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from other restoration
organizations and that's been

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good.
But there's no guarantee it's

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going to remain that way.
Also, it can be a bit tricky as

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you scour the Internet trying to
find all the books from your

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orthodox Mormon authors.

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like I was really given a

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solution now through the hard
work of others, because let's

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face it, I'm the guy least
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build a website.
I'm happy to present to you 1830

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Like I wish, and this is kind of
a part of me, like with what I'm

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doing with AI is I wish the
church would have actually

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preserved the pioneer artwork
and put it on display and

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instead of like just ripping it
out.

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And then I went to the Manti
Temple when it had its open

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house and I went through it
twice because I was just like, I

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was so enamored with all the
different kind of artwork that

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was in there, like the
baptistry, like the the artwork

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from the 40s that was in there.
I'm just like.

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This looks so so.
Cool seeing the the Nephites

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getting baptized, seeing Joseph
Smith and all of our Calories

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getting baptized and Jesus
getting baptized and then

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walking through the Garden of
Eden and seeing seeing the

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pterodactyl in the back because
there's.

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A little pterodactyl?
Yes, there is.

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I'm just like, holy cow, that's
a that's a pterodactyl.

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That's that's pretty cool.
The Pioneers put that in and

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then you go to the tree of life
room and it's just like, I had

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to get so close and see like
just the detail of the fruit of

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the tree of knowledge and the
tree of good and evil.

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And it's just like, or no,
sorry, the tree of life in the

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tree of knowledge.
And it's just like, it was so

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cool to see that.
And then going into the world

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room with all the art that
Minerva, I can't see her last

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name.
Her last name is harder than

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mine.
But just seeing all that cool

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artwork still preserved and not
destroyed.

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I was just like, this is great.
And it's just like the end goal

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of me with AI using Sora.
AI is like here, here is artwork

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that yeah, sure, it's IAI
generated, but I'd like to see

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Mormon, modern Mormon pioneers
of the art world be able to make

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and produce this kind of quality
artwork for animation to rival

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the old Living Scripture videos,
because I grew up on those.

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Sure, sure.
A lot of men, a lot of young

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fathers made a lot of money
trying to support their

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families, selling those door to
door back.

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In a day, I bet.
I bet they did.

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You know, you, you bring up the
artwork here, right?

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And for anyone who hasn't done a
live session or hasn't been to a

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pioneer era temple or, or
something like that, what Josh

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is talking about is, is in those
pioneer days, they would, they

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would paint representations of
the phase of the endowment that

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you were in.
And Josh, this took me so long

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to figure out, right?
Because I like you felt the same

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way right when when the artwork
started to go away out of there,

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those murals, I was like, why
does this upset me so?

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Right?
Why does this feel so bad?

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And I sat there and I thought
about it for a minute and I

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think I figured it out, at least
for me, why it felt so bad.

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And I think that part of it was
because there it's just not

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artwork, right?
Keep in mind those pioneer era

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temples, those are that's
somebody's testimony that is

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painted on the wall, right?
That is somebody's testimony of

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this is so true that I am
willing to take what however

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long it takes to get these
murals just right and they pour

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themselves into it.
And so I think we can feel the

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testimony of those early Mormons
pouring out of the work that

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they did.
And I think that's one of the

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reasons it is so, so powerful
that and, and why it leaves such

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a mark when they're all of a
sudden gone.

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Because in some ways it feels
like, and I know nobody in the

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church means it this way, right?
But you can't help but think

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you're, you're just, you're just
getting rid of their testimony,

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right?
And and so that's kind of how

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I've.
Equated it.

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No, I've, I've, I, I agree with
you on that.

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And I, I actually, I went to an
Orthodox Church once it's down

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in the Provo area and on the
inside they show like the

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Theotokos and like scenes from
Christ's life.

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And I'm sitting there, I'm just
like, you know, the, the temple

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artwork is kind of our icon
iconography of like testifying

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of like what's going on.
And then like, because I like I

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said, I went to the Palmyra
Temple and you have the creation

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room there.
And then I also went to the

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Nauvoo Temple this year too.
And like being able to walk

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through that and seeing all the
different artwork that they did

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for the Nauvoo Temple that was
restored 20 years ago for 20

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plus years now, I think.
And seeing all the time and

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effort and the beauty of it,
it's just like, why?

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I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm
kind of, this is going to be my

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biggest gripe.
I, I hate being powerpointed

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with the new temple endowment
where it's just slides and it's

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just like, I see so many people
falling asleep.

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It's just like, oh, OK, well
this is fun.

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They're barely moving their
mouths.

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OK Oh, it's easier for them to
translate it for other

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countries.
OK, But I'm just like.

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But yeah, so it sounded a little
fringy to you.

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Yeah, because it's just like
I'm, I was just like, I was so

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interested in it.
It's just like, I want to know

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more.
I want more.

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I want the deep doctrine.
Give me the deep doctrine like

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here.
So talking about the LGBTQ

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stuff.
Absolutely.

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OK, So when is it you start
like, oh, being cognizant and

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aware of it sounds like like the
your your buddy's dad when you

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go through the temple for the
first time, tells you about the

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penalties, Right, Right.
And is that the first time that

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you were ever kind of exposed to
like, hey, it wasn't always like

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this.
And then what, what causes you

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to start looking like?
And, and again, you're not a

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fundamentalist now you, you, you
know, it sounds like there's

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certainly things in
fundamentalism that you might

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agree with and some things, I'm
just guessing that that cause

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you to hold back a little bit,
which is fine.

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I, I'm not here to judge
anybody.

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But when you start like figuring
out, hey, there might be a

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little more to the story than
what I'm being than than what

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I've been told thus far.
Being honest with you, like I

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said, first listening your
podcast back in 2022 with the

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the temple changes that that
episode.

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So.
My bad.

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Well, I don't even remember how
I actually got onto your thing

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because I listened to it on
iTunes and it's just like, all

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of a sudden I see this thing
called Mormon Renegade and I'm

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like, oh, this kind of sounds
cool.

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This kind of sounds on the
border of something like what's

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going on with this like, and
ever since I've been hooked

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listening to it.
OK, so I was teaching temple

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prep and because this is my,
this was my idea, I said, I

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don't think we should call
anyone to teach temple prep.

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I think each of us as a
presidency should do 2 lessons

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each to just say this is what
temple prep is like and this is

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how you're going to go through
the temple.

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00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,520
And so I did the first lesson
and then I did the second lesson

443
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,960
of like, you have to be worthy
to enter a temple.

444
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:59,360
And I, I was just given it and I
was just like, I was, I was just

445
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,040
like, you know, you have to be
really worthy.

446
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,600
You have to be worthy enough to
go into the temple.

447
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:14,160
And people that are gay and
transsexual shouldn't be going

448
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:19,720
into the temple because they
have those problems and.

449
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,600
Not necessarily judging the
person, but just saying you got

450
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,160
to work through this first,
right?

451
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,520
Right.
And it's just like that's, you

452
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,760
have to be worthy.
And it's just like I've, I've,

453
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,120
I've had my, I've had my
falling, you know, I, I fell

454
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:37,680
from grace for a while.
And you know, you have to take

455
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,280
those temple covenants
seriously.

456
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:46,800
Like, that's a big thing.
And I the next day, it's Monday,

457
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,520
I'm sitting there just goofing
off playing video games or

458
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:54,160
something.
And I get a text from my Sunday

459
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,360
school president.
And I was, he was like, hey, can

460
00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,720
we talk about yesterday's
lesson?

461
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,040
I just want to go over it.
And I was just like, I was kind

462
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,440
of mad.
I was like, oh, let's see if

463
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,720
it's going to be about the gays
and the trans I talked about.

464
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:15,280
And he's like, well, you know, I
got some feedback after the

465
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:21,080
lesson and some some of the
sisters got offended and I said,

466
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:26,880
I'm going to stop you right
there because currently in the

467
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:34,080
temple there is a training about
turning people in that have that

468
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,480
that are same sex and kiss
inside the temple.

469
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:38,680
So I'm going to stop you right
there.

470
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,120
And I learned that through
watching a TikTok from an an XML

471
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,400
about that.
And it's just like, I was like,

472
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,000
OK, so that's going on in the
temple about the gays and stuff.

473
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,160
So it's just like, and you're
going to come to me and say

474
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,480
like, you have an issue with me
teaching the truth.

475
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,240
So I was just like, well, I
guess I'm going to be a Benedide

476
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,840
now and be persecuted for
teaching the truth.

477
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,200
And so I gave my testimony.
That's that, that passing

478
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,720
testimony Sunday.
I gave my testimony saying I I

479
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,840
gave the truth.
And, you know, I use quotes from

480
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,480
Brigham Young.
It's just like, if you want to

481
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,080
mock me, go ahead.
I don't care.

482
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,720
It's it's just so dumb to even
worry about these kind of

483
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,400
things.
It's just like, that was just

484
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,480
one of the biggest things that I
was just like, I was just so.

485
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,680
And I think, yeah, just.
So you, you, you, you get talked

486
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,520
to by, by your higher ups,
right?

487
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,760
Yeah.
And then what, what's kind of

488
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,840
your response there, right?
I mean, you tell them, look,

489
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,600
there's worthiness standards
here, right?

490
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,640
They need to take these
covenants seriously.

491
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,160
I kind of just, I kind of got a
little mad and I was just like,

492
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,200
I'm just going to be mad and
just go, yeah, whatever,

493
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,360
whatever.
You, you, you want to just be

494
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,960
mad at me for teaching like,
look, the correct doctrines that

495
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:09,480
we should be teaching, whatever.
And then my Bishop, he goes,

496
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,080
he's like, hey, I heard there
was like a little, little war

497
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,320
going on in Sunday school.
And I'm like, no, no, there is

498
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,680
no war.
There's no war going on.

499
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,880
I just told him, you know, it's
a worthiness issue.

500
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,760
And he was like, yeah, yeah, I
believe I I agree with you.

501
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:31,600
It's just people need to be
worthy to go through temple.

502
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,000
And I was like, Yep, pretty
much.

503
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,040
But yeah.
And that kind of went away.

504
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,600
Yeah, that kind of went away.
Like because because I'm a pilot

505
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,080
car driver, I can, I can pick
and choose what when I can go

506
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:50,200
out and do work.
So it's always nice to pick when

507
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,680
if I'm really upset at
something, I can just go.

508
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,720
I'm not going to church this
week at my ward.

509
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,480
I'll go, I'll go to Seattle or
I'll go to LA or I'll go to

510
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,800
somewhere in the Midwest and
hopefully get the stop for the

511
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,000
day on a Sunday and go to
troops.

512
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:13,480
Oh, man, yeah.
You know what's fun too is like

513
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:18,719
I actually went to, I can't, the
new New Mexico area near

514
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,560
Farmington.
I actually was able to go to a a

515
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:24,520
Native American war down there.
It was a ship rock area.

516
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:26,080
That's where it was.
OK.

517
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:29,560
So it was just like nice going
in there and actually filling

518
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,360
the spirit in there too.
It's just like, oh wow, they're

519
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,400
having a nice time gathering
together and it's just like,

520
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,960
it's so cool to go to different
wards and see everything right

521
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:47,120
without the the Utah lenses.
Yeah, outside the bubble.

522
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,520
Yeah, exactly.
So wow, so, so so you go through

523
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,679
that, but you you start seeing
all this stuff start to shift,

524
00:34:56,679 --> 00:35:00,280
right.
And and then like what?

525
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:06,360
What inspires you to you know
what, before we go there?

526
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,200
Yeah.
Is is there any part of your

527
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,560
background you feel like you
that we need to cover?

528
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,720
That's super important.
I think we've already hit the

529
00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:16,280
keynotes.
OK, all right.

530
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,800
I think what I want to do here
is I want to give people a

531
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,840
sample of your work.
So we're going to watch 2 videos

532
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:25,000
here.
This first one, it's kind of a

533
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,880
retelling of the, the crackdown
by the federal government on, on

534
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:35,760
the Mormons in, in Utah and then
subsequently the, the kind of

535
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:41,320
the 1886 revelation, right?
And so I, I want to play those

536
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,640
and then we'll move on to
another one that has to do with

537
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,200
the, with the, the Mormon War,
right?

538
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,280
Right.
And So what we'll play both of

539
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,640
those and then we'll come back
on.

540
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,880
And then I want to talk about
your process and how you do

541
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:55,440
this.
OK.

542
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,760
Right, OK.
All right, here we go.

543
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,640
Hello, I appreciate all the
views I have been given by

544
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,360
uploading church history videos.
This next video that I made is

545
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,720
neither for or against the
practice of plural marriage. the

546
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:14,080
United States Congress passed
the Edmunds Act, branding plural

547
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,920
marriage a crime.
Across the territory, wives and

548
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,200
husbands of the faith were torn
from their homes, shackled and

549
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,280
marched.
Before you think iron can shame

550
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,920
me, my family was bound by
covenant long before your badge.

551
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,840
The territory says different.
Polygamy's a crime now, Jonah,

552
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:29,840
you know that.
Please, Sheriff.

553
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:32,240
He's done roads pushing closer
every month.

554
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,000
We can't hide in silence
forever.

555
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,280
And when the marshals ride in,
they'll call us criminals.

556
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,600
Caleb, it isn't a crime to love
as the Lord commands.

557
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,320
And I'm scared all the same.
Then we'll stand together $800

558
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,480
award for the arrest of John
Taylor. 800 huh?

559
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,400
Spread the word.
Anyone brings him in, gets the

560
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,320
cash.
In 1886, Centerville, UT, John

561
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,480
Taylor, president of the church,
is forced into hiding from

562
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,080
federal marshals.
The Woolley family takes him

563
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,840
into their home for safekeeping.
President Taylor, The government

564
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,800
is seizing church assets.
If plural marriage is not set

565
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,760
aside, the temple itself may be
taken.

566
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,000
They would have us bargain away
A commandment to keep the walls

567
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,840
of we plead for brethren.
This matter weighs heavy on my

568
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,960
soul.
Before I can give an answer

569
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,720
regarding plural marriage, I
must seek the Lord in prayer.

570
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,560
Of course, President Taylor.
Good night, brethren.

571
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,400
Which is firm.
Curtains draw tight.

572
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,120
You'll sleep easier knowing we
checked.

573
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,120
President Taylor.
Who's on the door?

574
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,360
John.
Woolly Tonight, Sir.

575
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,360
Stay sharp, Woolly.
Nothing gets past you.

576
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,240
Aye, he'll be safe.
Oh God.

577
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,560
Hear the words of Thy servant.
Shall we as a Church, abandoned

578
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,200
the new and everlasting covenant
to save Church properties?

579
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:47,120
Brother Joseph, is that you?
Yes, it is me, but there is

580
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:52,000
someone else here for you, my
son John.

581
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,720
You have asked me concerning the
new and everlasting covenant,

582
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,760
how far it is binding upon my
people.

583
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,640
How can I revoke an everlasting
covenant?

584
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,560
For I the Lord am everlasting,
and my everlasting covenants

585
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,720
cannot be abrogated nor done
away with, but they stand

586
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:12,360
forever.
And verily, thus saith the Lord,

587
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:15,680
All those who will enter into my
glory must and shall obey this

588
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,440
law.
Do you see the sign, President

589
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:18,800
Taylor?
A covenant beyond dispute.

590
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,320
It must be kept.
Then we are agreed.

591
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:26,840
It's still locked.
I'm going to check the rest of

592
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,520
the house.
That's locked.

593
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,040
Windows, too.
No one getting in tonight still

594
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,840
feels wrong.
Like something's out there.

595
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,400
Can't you feel the spirit?
Why should you worry?

596
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:45,320
Who's there, Brothers?
Look at that light.

597
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,120
I can't, it's too bright.
Gentlemen, don't be troubled.

598
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,680
I've only come.
Brethren, I have had a very

599
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,480
pleasant conversation all night
with Brother Joseph.

600
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,040
Boss.
Who was that?

601
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,640
Man, that was there until
midnight.

602
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,640
Brother Lauren, that was your
Lord Jesus Christ.

603
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:08,720
Now let us have a meeting.
About what is to be done about?

604
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:12,880
Plural marriage, brethren, let
me put you under covenant that

605
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,480
he or she will defend the
principle of celestial or plural

606
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,800
marriage and that they would
consecrate their lives, liberty

607
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,680
and property.
To this end, in the autumn of

608
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,640
1886, President John Taylor set
his pen to paper recording a

609
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,440
sacred message he believed was
given of God concerning

610
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,520
celestial marriage.
The revelation, it says

611
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,360
President Taylor saw the Lord.
And was told plural marriage

612
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,600
could never be revoked.
The Church never sustained this

613
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,760
as binding revelation.
It holds no authority over us.

614
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,560
The words, they won't.
Let go.

615
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,520
July 25th, 1887, While still in
hiding from United States

616
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,560
Marshals in Caseville, Utah
Territory, President John Taylor

617
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,960
draws his final breath.
The mantle soon rests upon

618
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,200
Wilford Woodruff.
By the year 1891, Wilfred

619
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,840
Woodruff, president of the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter

620
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,320
Day Saints, would issue official
declaration one formally ending

621
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,120
the practice of plural merit.
Over the next 138 years, leaders

622
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,600
of The Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter Day Saints would dismiss

623
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,160
the existence of John Taylor's
1886 revelation.

624
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,600
By 2025, the quiet work of a
single church historian shook

625
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,240
the world.
And those that is awesome.

626
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,200
OK, we'll go here to the the one
about the Utah War now.

627
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,280
OK, OK.
James Buchanan takes the oath as

628
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,360
the 15th president of the United
States.

629
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,080
Within months, under mounting
public and political pressure,

630
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,840
he resolves to act decisively
against the Mormon community in

631
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,040
It is time to end the barbarism
of polygamy in Utah and to

632
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,200
remove the theoretic king of the
Mormon Church, Brigham Young,

633
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,440
from the office of territorial
governor.

634
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,720
Governor Young word from the
east.

635
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,800
President Buchanan has ordered
federal troops W.

636
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,280
They're marching for Utah troops
to put us under heel.

637
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,560
Hear me from this hour.
The territory of Deseret is

638
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,440
under martial law.
No soul, brethren, the

639
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,000
governor's proclamation has
reached us.

640
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,160
Brigham has declared martial law
across the territory.

641
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:54,520
Then Cedar City must decide how
to enforce it.

642
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,120
The immigrant trains keep
coming.

643
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:57,840
Do we bar the roads?
Do we disarm them?

644
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,920
See this piece here?
Same rifle that dropped Joe

645
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,200
Smith in Carthage.
Ain't she a beauty?

646
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,840
You brag about that like it's
something to be proud and ought

647
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,520
to remember.
Who holds the power out here?

648
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,480
Maybe brothers, the wagon train
lingers still.

649
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,520
We've warned them once.
Now we have to decide what comes

650
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:14,720
next.
We're talking about turning the

651
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:16,880
pahute loose on them.
That'll stain all our hands,

652
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,600
Isaac.
The council won't move on the

653
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,120
train until we hear from Salt
Lake.

654
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,840
This has to reach President
Young without delay.

655
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,800
I'll get it to him no matter the
miles.

656
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,680
Ride hard, Haslam.
The lives of many.

657
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,400
Hang on his word.
Go ride hard.

658
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,680
He needs this before the
sunsets.

659
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,440
Brother Lee from Isaac Hate.
Let's see it.

660
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:34,960
Do not strike the immigrant
train.

661
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,600
Wait on Counsel from President
Young.

662
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,840
President Young dispatched from
Cedar City.

663
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,400
It's dire.
Let me see it.

664
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,320
This must be answered at once.
Take this back.

665
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,320
Tell them the emigrants are to
pass in peace.

666
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,080
All right.
Word from Salt Lake's not

667
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,840
coming.
Those wagons won't wait for

668
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,000
orders.
And neither will we.

669
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,720
Get your colors on.
Paint up feathers, hides every

670
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:56,680
inch like the Paiute.
When the sun drops, we strike.

671
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,640
Chains are tight, starts
holding.

672
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,480
How long do you think we can
keep this up?

673
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,360
As long as we have to.
These wagons are our wall now.

674
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,560
Don't let yourself blink.
Not a chance.

675
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,400
All right, Hard.
Don't let them circle up.

676
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,520
They're heading for the wagon.
Cut them down.

677
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,360
Leave no one standing.
They're running low on powder.

678
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,560
Keep them boxed in.
For five days they've held out.

679
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,920
We can't keep this up.
If they saw our faces, word will

680
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,040
spread.
No witnesses.

681
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,600
When the signal comes, we finish
it.

682
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,680
Butter from Salt Lake.
Brigham says the emigrant train

683
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,480
was to pass in peace.
No harm to come to them.

684
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:39,760
What have I done, Mr. Bridger?
Washington sent us to keep the

685
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,560
peace.
What can you tell us about these

686
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,000
Mormons we're riding toward?
What sort of folk are we dealing

687
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,200
with?
Utah country starts past those

688
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,800
ridges.
High Valley, salt flats and not

689
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,120
a lot of mercy in between.
Folks say the Mormons run it

690
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,360
like their own nation.
That true?

691
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,640
True enough.
They trust each other, but

692
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,360
they're still a mile out.
Once they hit the choke point,

693
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,360
we drop it all at once.
Let the Canyon speak for us.

694
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,760
They're all tied in that row.
You get the Bay.

695
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,200
I'll handle the chestnut, right?
Keep it quiet.

696
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,560
Ropes loose.
Let's move.

697
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,040
Soldiers are stirring.
Hurry into the trees.

698
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,320
Don't look back, Chief Kanosh.
Together, we can keep the

699
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,120
soldiers from tearing this
valley apart.

700
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,960
We fight for our homes.
Your people stand with mine.

701
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,160
Brigham Young.
The Blue Coats will find no easy

702
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:24,200
path.
Then let this be our.

703
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,560
Brother Kane, I ask you once
more to intercede with President

704
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,800
Buchanan.
Let him know our hearts seek

705
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,520
peace, not war.
If my removal as governor will

706
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,240
ease the nation I have ever been
willing to lay, Gentlemen, I

707
00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:37,720
have walked the fields of
battle, and I know the ruin that

708
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:40,640
follows the roar of cannon.
To turn that Thunder upon our

709
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,800
own citizens, upon the Mormons
of the West, would be an

710
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,160
intolerable evil.
I beg.

711
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:49,400
It came out of nowhere.
The clouds were waiting for us.

712
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,320
Maybe it's a warning column.
Halt.

713
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,280
We'll make camp here.
We push farther, we lose the

714
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,760
whole train.
The Army marches this way.

715
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,720
And they intend to take this
valley from us.

716
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,360
If they set foot in Salt Lake
City, we will give them only

717
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,480
ashes.
Be ready to fire the city, every

718
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,800
home, every storehouse.
And when the smoke goes, the

719
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,440
word from the east is clear.
Federal troops March for this

720
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,080
valley.
If they come, the temple must

721
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,560
not fall into their hands.
President.

722
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,320
You mean to hide it?
Bury the foundation.

723
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,240
Cover every stone until not a
cornership.

724
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,440
Whole city's hollow.
Not a soul to look back at us,

725
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,640
Captain.
This was where the Saints said

726
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,200
they'd raise their temple, and
now it's nothing but dirt.

727
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:28,040
Keep the men alert. 1858 Brigham
Young stepped down as governor

728
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,520
of the Utah Territory, helping
to end tensions between the

729
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,040
Mormon settlers and the US
government during the Utah War.

730
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,880
One of the leaders who struck
the immigrant wagon train, John

731
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,440
D Lee, told the court he was a
scapegoat for what happened.

732
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,000
The jury still found him guilty
and when the time came for

733
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:49,080
sentence, he chose the volley.
Man, so OK, first, what gives

734
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,480
you the prompting to do this
right?

735
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:56,080
It's kind of an out-of-the-box
way of of telling a pretty

736
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,560
complex story.
Correct.

737
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,680
So I learned about Sora AI about
a month ago or three weeks ago.

738
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:12,400
And I was seeing a whole bunch
of tik toks of like Jesus Christ

739
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:17,240
or even the Garden of Eden.
There there's a guy called Bible

740
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:22,280
dude and he's just been creating
like the story of the Garden of

741
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,480
Eden and like the Lucifer's fall
and everything.

742
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:29,520
And I was like, you know what,
where, where's my Mormon

743
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,000
content?
Where, where is like Book of

744
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,480
Mormon stories?
Like where, where's, what's

745
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:39,720
going on with that?
So I, I put myself in for sore

746
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:42,920
AI and I was sitting there for a
week.

747
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,560
I was checking it every so often
to see if I actually got access.

748
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:51,160
And then like, I'll tell you how
many days it's been since I

749
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,320
actually got access because I've
been keeping track with the

750
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,320
Gospel Library app.
It's been about two weeks of

751
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,040
constant work making AI content.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

752
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,880
Hold on a second.
You have that many videos up for

753
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:11,840
two weeks?
So I there, there there's invite

754
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,040
codes that you can send out to
other people.

755
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,600
And I created two other e-mail
accounts.

756
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:23,440
Just throw away e-mail accounts.
And I technically have the

757
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:29,280
opportunity to create 90 scenes
in a 24 hour period.

758
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,440
And you know, it's a, it's a
whole bunch of trial and error

759
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:40,120
to get what I want to be exactly
what I want.

760
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,960
And like those first few videos
that I created, I just put into

761
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:52,360
the prompt using 90s anime style
and then like a quick summary of

762
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,720
what I want.
And like the, the, my favorite

763
00:46:55,720 --> 00:47:00,240
part from the John Taylor video
is where it's like, because I, I

764
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:04,360
went on Wikipedia and I was just
reading through, skimming

765
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,400
everything and it's just like,
it shows the summary of like why

766
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,600
the church and fundamentalists
split off.

767
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,800
And so I make a summary of that.
And then it just made the

768
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,640
perfect dialogue because you
have the guy in the background

769
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,000
where it's just like, well, the
church didn't really accept that

770
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,600
as revelation.
So it's not binding.

771
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,800
And then you have the person in
front in the foreground reading

772
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:39,560
it going it's, it's these words
are speaking to me like and.

773
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,880
AI wrote all that dialogue.
Correct, AI wrote that dialogue

774
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:50,600
off of the prompt that I put in
as a summary and holy cow.

775
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:55,000
So I'm going to be honest with
you working on that John Taylor

776
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,400
video.
I, I felt the spirit so much.

777
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:05,160
I would watch a clip and I would
start crying because I was just

778
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:11,440
like, I feel the spirit right
now working on this and like

779
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:18,680
that scene and then the scene of
Joseph Smith saying it is me,

780
00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:20,960
but there is someone else here
for you.

781
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,360
That that scene made me cry so
much too, because I was just

782
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,120
like, you can finally see what's
going on.

783
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,960
You can see what's going on in
front of you and you can

784
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,160
actually feel a connection to
it.

785
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:40,080
And it's just like, you know, a
voice will speak from the dust.

786
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:41,880
Everything will speak from the
dust.

787
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:47,200
Even John Taylor's words and
John Woolly Woolly's words.

788
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,080
You know, they speak from the
dust.

789
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:54,240
And now they've been put out in
an audio visual form.

790
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,680
And I think that's really
important.

791
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,920
And plus, I was kind of being, I
wanted to be controversial after

792
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:02,000
I made that the Mountain Meadows
video.

793
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,120
I'm not breaking any news here.
We live in spiritually perilous

794
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:07,720
times.
It seems like danger is all

795
00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:10,680
around us or our family
spiritually all the time.

796
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,080
But our God hasn't left us
defenseless.

797
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,360
We read in Ephesians chapter 6
verse 17 and take the helmet of

798
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,840
salvation and the sword of the
spirit, which is the word of

799
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,080
God.
So in our spiritual battles, the

800
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,400
scriptures are our sword.
But just like real swords, not

801
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,360
all Canon of scripture are made
equal.

802
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,720
You need to make sure that
you're entering the battle with

803
00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:32,040
the right gear.
With that thought in mind, Drew

804
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,840
Brownie and others have been
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805
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,480
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806
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,120
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So what is the restored version

807
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808
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809
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810
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,320
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811
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,520
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812
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,240
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813
00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:01,920
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814
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815
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,440
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816
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,720
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817
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:16,160
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818
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,800
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819
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,080
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820
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,880
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00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,640
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00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,760
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826
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00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,000
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835
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,200
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839
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,120
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841
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843
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844
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:44,240
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865
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Now let's get back to our
conversation.

866
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,120
That will do it.
That will do it.

867
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:05,600
But I was just like, I feel the
spirit so much when I'm like

868
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:13,840
doing this because it's just
like it's important to, you

869
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:21,120
know, we as Mormons have relied
on mainstream Christianity

870
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,960
through their animation, through
their CGI.

871
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,720
And, you know, we're, we're
lacking behind.

872
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,840
We're behind so much that we
haven't produced new animated

873
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,280
content since the Living
Scriptures.

874
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:43,080
And, you know, it's cool that we
can rely on the Christian world,

875
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,920
but where's our stories?
Where's.

876
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,640
Yeah, where is it?
You know what?

877
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,560
That's another view I should
make is the Pioneer handcarts.

878
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,400
You know that's another one.
Oh, Willie Martin handcart

879
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:56,240
company?
Yeah, you bet.

880
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,160
Yeah, that.
That's another one I should do.

881
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,880
And all the miracles that took
place with that.

882
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:06,960
You know, it's cool that we have
17 miracles the movie, but where

883
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:13,320
is one that reaches out to other
demographics, like to young

884
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:18,480
adults, to even adults?
Like I had a comment today that

885
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:24,040
someone made and I took a
screenshot of it and the person

886
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:29,400
says I love your videos, my
daughter loves anime and I love

887
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,520
the subject matter.
It gives us something to enjoy

888
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,000
together.
Thank you.

889
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:35,960
Thank you.
Keep them coming.

890
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,640
Nice.
And you know, it's just like,

891
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,200
that's some motivation right
there.

892
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:51,040
And like my end goal with this
project that I'm doing is I want

893
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,760
to create enough 5 minute long
segments that I can compile them

894
00:54:54,760 --> 00:55:03,600
together and submit an
application to Angel Studios and

895
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:10,120
say this is, although this is
AII, can I have backup with

896
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:14,800
comments saying, hey, I love
this, I need there.

897
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,600
There should be more of it.
There should be more animated

898
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,240
content of Book of Mormon
stories.

899
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:27,560
Like it's just like an anime
compared to American content.

900
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:33,800
Like I, I, I love the art style
of anime because it's, it's

901
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,560
more, it's more visual, I
suppose.

902
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:42,320
And you know, I have, I have the
scene of Joseph Smith at

903
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:48,640
Carthage jail where he says, Oh
Lord, my God, and then jumps out

904
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,280
the window.
And then you see the people just

905
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:56,000
shoot at them and it's just like
like, wow, that actually just

906
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:02,800
happened.
And you're just like, what more

907
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:09,960
can be done besides that and
have all these other stories

908
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:16,080
told?
On your percent, and I got to

909
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,560
tell you, for me, they are so
captivating, right?

910
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,960
And look, I'm not a fan of
animation.

911
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,960
I'm really not, right?
But I'll just tell you what

912
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,840
happened this week, right?
So I think you and I started

913
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,240
talking last Sunday if I'm not
mistaken.

914
00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:37,000
I believe so, yeah.
And, and it was, it was Monday.

915
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:44,160
I I was at the gym and I I start
doing cardio.

916
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,360
Now look at me, does it look
like I like to do cardio?

917
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,040
Right.
Hey, I'm in the same boat with

918
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,760
you.
Cardio is what I do on my way to

919
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,800
lifting weights.
That's what I'm really there

920
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,560
for.
But all of the sudden, man, I'm,

921
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,920
I'm, I got my headphones on.
I'm just going at it on the

922
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:05,040
elliptical machine and I'm just
going from video to video And

923
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,400
all of a sudden I look up and
like, not only is my time done,

924
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,760
but I had gone past that.
Now, if you can get Dave Sanders

925
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,920
to like forget he's doing
cardio, that's an

926
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,680
accomplishment.
And so, but but my point is, is

927
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:25,120
that, well, yes, it's not
necessarily my my medium of

928
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:29,760
choice, so to speak.
It was still very captivating to

929
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:34,920
see it acted out with the in on
the convenience of my phone.

930
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,120
Right, right.
And so kudos to you, dude.

931
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,680
So wow.
So, so you're, you're not

932
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,120
slowing down at all here, Josh
A.

933
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,760
Little bit I'm kind of slowing
down because I'm making longer

934
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:54,600
form videos, but it's just like
I have to keep up, got to keep

935
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:59,320
up, got to keep making content.
And it's just like, you know,

936
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,800
William Martin handcart company.
That's another one that I should

937
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:07,400
do eventually.
And then I am working on Joseph

938
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:13,120
Smith and his dealings with
plural marriage from the 1830s

939
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,760
up and until his death.
And then I'm going to cover a

940
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,000
little bit with like a summary
of Brigham Young, a summary of

941
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:25,280
John Taylor, and then a summary
of like Wilfred Woodruff saying

942
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:31,920
the end of plural marriage.
And I think that one's going to

943
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,560
probably be my longest one
because like I, from what I have

944
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,840
right now, I've already, because
I, I shared with you like the

945
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:43,040
Emma and Joseph Smith in the
kitchen, Emma saying, whoa, hold

946
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,600
up.
Like, I don't want to be a part

947
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:51,480
of this, like go pray about it.
But I have going before that, I

948
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,160
have the 3rd and final time
where the Angel appears.

949
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,200
And then I also I created like
the first and second time that

950
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:03,240
the Angel appears is like, hey,
like the first time, hey, you've

951
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,880
read about the patriarchs.
You've read about plural

952
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:12,880
marriage, like Heavenly Father
commands that you do this and

953
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,040
it's just, and I have Joseph
Smith going, I need more time.

954
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,720
I need to learn more about this.
And then the second time is just

955
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:26,240
like Joseph, this is your first
and final warning, but you will

956
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,280
be destroyed if you don't
practice plural marriage.

957
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:33,760
And it's just like Joseph says,
I still need more time.

958
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:38,840
I, I don't think people,
especially Oliver Calgary, will

959
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:43,360
follow what's going on and then
goes into the third time where

960
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:47,040
it's just like this is the final
time or he will be destroyed.

961
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:51,000
There's no other way.
And Joseph's like if there's no

962
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:55,880
other way, then I will do all
the commands that the Father has

963
00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:05,640
for me.
So do you feel like you were,

964
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,920
you were spiritually prompted to
do this or do you think this was

965
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,600
born out of just like, where's
our stuff, right?

966
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,440
You kind of alluded to that.
I'm, I'm curious though, is

967
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,240
there something deeper going on
there?

968
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,280
And if there's not, that's OK
because it's still great.

969
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,680
But like, explain to me the
feelings that come to you.

970
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,160
I mean, what's going on here in
inside of you as you do this,

971
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,480
right?
Like when I start the podcast, I

972
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,800
can tell you exactly where I
was, right?

973
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,920
When that idea hits, I could
tell you the color of the carpet

974
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:38,760
in the hotel room.
Was it something that pronounced

975
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,080
for you, Josh?
Yes, it was I, I, it's 100%,

976
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:47,920
this is 100% spiritually backed.
And it's also for my

977
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,880
entertainment and for others
entertainment, but also to

978
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:55,800
present the historical side, to
show the facts, to show the

979
01:00:55,800 --> 01:01:00,120
truth because of Oh well, the
church has all this bad history.

980
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,240
You should go investigate what's
going on with the church.

981
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,640
And I that there was some
comment that someone made on a

982
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:13,080
video and I said, OK, and I'm
making content like I'm working

983
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,640
on the plural marriage video.
And he's like, oh, I'm not

984
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,280
worried about that.
Like whatever.

985
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:19,880
Like you're going to dismiss
that.

986
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,440
Like you're saying you're
telling people to not look into

987
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:23,920
the church and look into the
history.

988
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:29,400
But it's just like, you know,
history's dark and messy church

989
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,040
history.
It can be dark and messy if you

990
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,280
want it to be, or it can be
light and fluffy.

991
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,360
Right.
And I know I know you talk about

992
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:43,120
a lot of the Revolutionary War
period and like the history of

993
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,480
that.
And like I recently put out the

994
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,960
the current Bush story.
So that's like dealing with

995
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:55,160
World War One and that history
of like Hubie Brown being told

996
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,520
he can't be a general because
he's a Mormon.

997
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:03,120
Like we've been discriminated
against since the beginning.

998
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:08,960
And you know what?
I think it was after the Grand

999
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:13,880
Blanc attack in Michigan where I
was just like, there's really

1000
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,600
still people out there that want
to murder us.

1001
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,840
Like really, you want to go out
and just blow us all away

1002
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:27,480
because you have a different
view of Christianity than we do.

1003
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:31,520
And it's just like where where's
our content?

1004
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:36,840
Where is our backup?
And that's why I said even with

1005
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:41,920
that woman that wore the temple
clothing, that's anti Mormon

1006
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,640
now.
She was part of the church once

1007
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:49,400
and like you want to mock God,
you're going to have a big fall

1008
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:53,840
when you mock God.
And you never know when it will

1009
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:57,240
happen, but it will happen.
I've experienced that.

1010
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:05,800
Absolutely.
So as you start doing this, like

1011
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,560
is there any feeling of
apprehension, right.

1012
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:13,320
Are you like, oh, I, I don't
know if I should do this.

1013
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:17,120
Like, like what?
What's Because I know I

1014
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:21,400
definitely had that internal
struggle when I was like, I'm

1015
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,840
not qualified, right?
So did, did you have any of

1016
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,520
those same feelings?
Did anything make you nervous

1017
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:32,360
about doing this?
No, no, because the truth will

1018
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:36,840
set you free.
And I actually had someone

1019
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:40,040
message me and they're like,
hey, please do Mountain Meadows.

1020
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,920
It'd be so cool to see what what
happened with Mountain Meadows.

1021
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,560
And I was like, you know what,
I'll do it for you, buddy.

1022
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:47,960
I'll make that video for you.
Here you go.

1023
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,720
And then the thought of if
you're going to do Mountain

1024
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:56,080
Meadows, you better do the 1886
revelation.

1025
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,040
And I was just like, I will do
that.

1026
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:05,960
And like I said, working on that
John Taylor video, I, I felt the

1027
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:10,400
spirit so much that I would cry
making that.

1028
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:14,040
And then also I do have a video
of Joseph Smith or Joseph F

1029
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:18,000
Smith in Hawaii.
And like, I was just laying on

1030
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:22,160
my couch because I'm laying on
my couch making these prompts

1031
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:25,680
just going, going, firing away.
And it's just like, Hey, you're

1032
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:30,040
forgetting the Saints in Hawaii.
You need to do something for the

1033
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:34,480
Saints in Hawaii.
And I was like, I'm going to do

1034
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,600
that right now.
I will act on that prompting

1035
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:41,440
right now.
OK, this is interesting, right?

1036
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:47,640
Creator to creator here because
there have been times, right?

1037
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,480
And there's one right now that
that comes to my mind and I'm

1038
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,800
not going to give it away until
I I get everything in line.

1039
01:04:54,320 --> 01:05:00,760
But I do think that those guys
from beyond the veil do come in

1040
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:05,320
their own way, at their own
time, through promptings to say

1041
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:09,520
you need to tell my story.
I believe that.

1042
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:15,200
And and I do think that that if
we are getting look, I'll be

1043
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,880
honest, I felt that way with
John, John W Taylor, right?

1044
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,440
I love.
That that that podcast, I really

1045
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,840
love that.
Oh dude, Michael Ness knocked it

1046
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:25,240
out of the park.
On that he did.

1047
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:32,560
And I remember that it was when
we were doing Joseph Mussers

1048
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:37,240
that John W Taylor, like I knew
who he was, but I didn't have a

1049
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,600
good idea on who he was.
Right?

1050
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:44,560
And as as but there were times I
could feel like he needs a story

1051
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:46,960
told.
He wants his story told.

1052
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:47,920
Exactly.
Right.

1053
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:51,440
And it sounds like maybe that's
what you experienced with Joseph

1054
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:56,080
F Smith and and the Hawaiian
Islands people is if if that's a

1055
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,000
fair assessment, Josh.
I'll say that's a fair

1056
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,800
assessment, but it was just
like, you're not making content

1057
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:06,120
for other people, you're making
it just for us white people.

1058
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,760
If you need to tell the.
Gospel.

1059
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:14,520
Like that's the whole the whole
prompting was where is the story

1060
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:18,840
of Hawaii?
And it's just like, oh, I need

1061
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:20,640
to work on that.
And that would be another long

1062
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:24,720
form video I make too, of like
what happened in Hawaii with the

1063
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:29,120
church leadership out there and
like why Joseph, Joseph F Smith

1064
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:32,480
had to go back out there and
like, fix everything.

1065
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:41,280
Absolutely.
OK, so let me ask you this

1066
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,080
question.
What's been the hardest?

1067
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:45,160
What's that?
No, I said.

1068
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:49,240
I said all right.
Unless there's more you want to

1069
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:51,240
add to that.
No, no, there's nothing else.

1070
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:52,480
But go ahead and ask your
question.

1071
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,440
What's been the hardest part of
this process?

1072
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:04,000
Oh man, the hardest part of this
process is there's so many

1073
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:07,880
videos that I have to make,
create to get the exact wording

1074
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:13,120
that I want.
And like with the story of the

1075
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:17,200
brother of Jared, because I put
in moron hot moron High Maury

1076
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:21,720
Ankimer, I put his name in and I
just let it generate.

1077
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:27,200
And it's just like at the Tower
of Babel, they would say, Oh,

1078
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,120
that's that's moron high
Mauryankimer.

1079
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:33,200
And he has these stones.
And I'm like, that's not what

1080
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:36,200
I'm looking for.
I put in specifically that he

1081
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,920
works with bees.
Like come on, I said bees.

1082
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:45,520
And then finally after that it's
like, Oh, he works with bees,

1083
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:47,920
not bricks.
And I was like, Oh, finally,

1084
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,760
that's that's some good, good
wording.

1085
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:51,560
Thank you, AI, you finally
worked right.

1086
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:58,480
So it's like out of 30 videos or
out of 90 videos I can create

1087
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:06,040
half of that is waste because
it's like it's not coming out

1088
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:07,720
right.
The audio is not coming out

1089
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:11,320
right.
Or there's something else that

1090
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,200
happens with it and it's just
like, Oh my gosh.

1091
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:19,560
So it's just like hours upon
hours and hours of and it takes

1092
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,520
like 2 minutes for the video to
generate, 2-3 minutes to

1093
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,439
generate where it makes all that
animation.

1094
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:29,319
But it's just like I sit there
and I'm like I'm, I'm just like

1095
01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:31,040
grabbing my phone.
I'm like, oh please be something

1096
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:35,880
good, Please be something good.
And first try, bam, good.

1097
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:40,040
Second try, bam, bad.
Third try, good.

1098
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,760
Now pick between those two.
OK, I like the audio from that

1099
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:48,080
one, but I like the action scene
that's happening in this one.

1100
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,960
So I'm going to cut the audio on
cap because I use my phone for

1101
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:55,880
everything, right?
So I'm using cap cut, which is

1102
01:08:55,880 --> 01:09:03,240
like associated with TikTok and
I it's really, it's a great tool

1103
01:09:03,399 --> 01:09:08,240
because I can extract the audio
from one video and then add it

1104
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:11,120
to the other one and mute the
other video and then have it

1105
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:13,680
play out.
And it's just like, ah yes, that

1106
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:19,040
works so much better.
I see dude, that would be

1107
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,760
exhausting.
That's fun.

1108
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:27,080
It is exhausting.
It is exhausting, but it's fun.

1109
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:30,160
It's 100% fun because you never
know what you're going to get.

1110
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:37,359
10 four OK take me back to that
first video you drop are you

1111
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:41,680
nervous like it's one thing to
create something and it's just

1112
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:43,960
hanging out right in bit land
right it's.

1113
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,760
Just.
There and you can watch it right

1114
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:51,680
I, and I did this with with the
first one I ever dropped right

1115
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:56,120
I, I edit the audio I, I do you
know, I try to get everything

1116
01:09:56,120 --> 01:10:01,560
just right and then there's this
moment Josh, where I'm like, OK,

1117
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,800
you know, like point of no
return.

1118
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:06,880
Yep.
And I hit send.

1119
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:12,000
Tell me about your first time
when you upload your first

1120
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,800
video.
So that first video, like I I

1121
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,840
created a few other videos
before that like I had my my

1122
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:22,440
TikTok account was just like a a
junk meme account that I created

1123
01:10:22,440 --> 01:10:28,560
to just have as TikTok and also
trash video game that me and my

1124
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:33,160
buddies play called railroads
online because the developers of

1125
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:36,520
that game suck.
That's neither here nor there,

1126
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:42,840
but I upload like a version of
Joseph Smith giving a tik a Ted

1127
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:47,240
talk.
That one has like 1500 views.

1128
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,680
I was like, OK, I'll just have
that.

1129
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,960
And then create one of like
Joseph Smith, explain why I had

1130
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:56,080
to go to Missouri in a Ted talk
form.

1131
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,240
I was like, OK, that didn't
really hit.

1132
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,960
And then I was like, why don't
you just start doing anime?

1133
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:06,000
Because everybody else is doing
anime for Jesus Christ and like

1134
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,000
Bible stories.
Just just do anime, dude.

1135
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:13,520
I was like, all right, and I'll
start with Joseph.

1136
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:17,880
I'll type, I type in the prompt,
Joseph Smith after the First

1137
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:22,720
Vision speaks with preachers
about his First Vision

1138
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:24,920
experience.
And then I just hit send on

1139
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:28,560
that, watch the video.
And I'm like, that's good

1140
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:33,000
enough.
I like that video and I post it

1141
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,040
and I'm just like, I don't think
I'm not going to get a lot of

1142
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:36,480
views.
I don't, I don't care.

1143
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:39,680
Whatever.
I'm just doing this to glorify

1144
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,640
God pretty much because it's
just like, where's our Mormon

1145
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:47,280
content?
And all of a sudden it starts

1146
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:49,880
like I can look at the analytics
too.

1147
01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:58,200
It starts taking off and I'm
just like, oh, I have 8000 views

1148
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:01,000
on the first day.
Like, whoa, that's crazy.

1149
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:06,120
And then it ends up being about
two 22,000 views.

1150
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:08,880
And like I still get views on
it, but every so often.

1151
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:14,920
And I was just like, Yep, I'm
going to start making is this is

1152
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:19,760
this is what US young kids say.
I'm going to start making Mormon

1153
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:22,360
brain rot.
See if I can.

1154
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:24,880
Get.
Yeah, Mormon brain rot.

1155
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:29,320
Yeah, see what I can do with it.
So I just and then I just type

1156
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:35,960
in another one of like Joseph
Smith anime opening summarizes

1157
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:39,160
the story of Joseph Smith's life
and send that off.

1158
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:45,240
I'm just like, whatever, get
like 17,000 views at the at the

1159
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,040
end of it, you know, I was just
like, you know what, I really

1160
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:52,520
need to start like focusing on
the story of the church.

1161
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:57,280
I need to start doing that.
I need to start doing the Book

1162
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:00,720
of Mormon.
And I'm talking to my friend

1163
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:05,080
Sean and he's actually in school
right now to be an animator.

1164
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:10,800
And I'm like, dude, I'm like,
dude, like, what can I do?

1165
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:12,880
This is I'm, I'm enjoying what
I'm doing.

1166
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:17,280
He's just like, you know what,
keep doing it because it's, it's

1167
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:18,560
really good stuff that you're
making.

1168
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:22,400
And so like before I even before
I even upload a video, I send a

1169
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:26,480
video to him and put it on our
Discord and he's just like,

1170
01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:28,040
yeah, that's good.
I like that.

1171
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:31,920
And it's just like, at least
he's not mad that I'm using AI

1172
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:35,040
instead of real, real
traditional artwork.

1173
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:41,800
But he's like, you know, you
should go out and see if a

1174
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:48,600
studio use these as a pitch and
see if like a studio would pick

1175
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,920
you up and do something with
real animators.

1176
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:53,240
And I was just like, you know
what?

1177
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:56,520
Yeah, that probably works.
And like I investigate, look

1178
01:13:56,520 --> 01:14:02,880
into Angel Studios and it's like
you can submit little clips or

1179
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,080
you can submit like a 30 minute
episode.

1180
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,280
And it's just like the fee is
$250.

1181
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:11,160
And I'm like, OK, I'm going to
try and save enough money for a

1182
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:17,160
$250 and then eventually figure
out how to download everything

1183
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:21,040
and then send it off.
And then say, although I used

1184
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:26,080
AI, I've included screenshots of
people saying I enjoy these,

1185
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:29,400
this kind of content.
I'm bonding with my family with

1186
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:32,120
over this.
And it's just like, just keep it

1187
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:34,200
up, keep doing it.
This is great.

1188
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:38,080
And then you also, you have your
naysayers against the church.

1189
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:42,400
It's just like, oh, you're using
anime because pedophiles like

1190
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:43,880
anime.
And I'm just like, and that's

1191
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,880
that's totally applicable for
the church because Joseph Smith

1192
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:52,360
was a pedophile and I was just
like, whatever you want to be a

1193
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:56,160
negative Nancy, go ahead.
Whatever, I don't care.

1194
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:58,840
Dude, haters are going to hate.
That's.

1195
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:02,160
What they do, right?
And here's what I've discovered

1196
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:06,080
in the time I've had the
podcast, There are going to be

1197
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:10,680
those that especially because of
the subject matter, they're

1198
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:15,600
going to hate it, right?
Because you're going to put

1199
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:19,200
forward truth and you're going
to do it in a way that really

1200
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:21,360
threatens them.
Here's what I've discovered,

1201
01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:26,200
right, is that they really don't
like it when we play with their

1202
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:31,360
stuff, right?
And the, the tech side of

1203
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:35,880
things, AI, podcasts, all that
stuff, they look at it like

1204
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:40,440
that's our stuff.
And so when somebody else tries

1205
01:15:40,440 --> 01:15:44,960
to do the work of the Lord with
it, it drives them insane.

1206
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:51,080
I mean like derangement kind of
insane at times, I have

1207
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,800
discovered.
And you need to get to a point.

1208
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:58,840
Is it going to sound bad where
you can embrace that, right?

1209
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:02,200
My grandfather used to say,
you're not over the target if

1210
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:05,360
you're not taking flak, right?
Right.

1211
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:08,520
And I'm like, oh, that hurts.
I hit a spot.

1212
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:13,120
I'm going to do it again, right?
Because not because I'm trying

1213
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:15,520
to be mean, but because I feel
like the Lord's telling me

1214
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:17,440
you're on to something.
Don't let up.

1215
01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:19,440
You're you're irritating the
adversary.

1216
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:24,560
Keep going.
And and one creator to another,

1217
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,880
bro, embrace that.
The the sooner you can embrace

1218
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,840
that it's it's going to become a
motivation to you.

1219
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:35,960
Well, it's I'm a duck and I let
the water just roll off my back.

1220
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:38,960
Yep.
Or I'm a rough stone rolling

1221
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:42,440
like Joseph Smith.
I'll be made perfect eventually.

1222
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:48,960
Absolutely.
So when you see, you know that

1223
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:52,200
one starts getting 8000 views
off the bat, do you think, uh

1224
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:57,120
oh, what did I do?
I, I don't know, I, I didn't

1225
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:58,560
feel that way.
I was just like, you know what,

1226
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:03,160
I'm, I'm spreading the gospel
and you know, I'm having a good

1227
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:05,560
time doing it.
I, I'm not a missionary.

1228
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:07,400
Well, I mean, I'm still
technically a missionary because

1229
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:10,440
you never get released from
being a missionary, but it's

1230
01:17:10,440 --> 01:17:13,000
just like, I'm just spraying the
gospel the best way I can.

1231
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:20,480
And you know, it also kind of
goes into like after Charlie

1232
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:27,240
Kirk got assassinated, you had a
big, huge revival of like people

1233
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:33,240
wanting to be Christians again.
And I was just like, I really

1234
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:37,240
want to go out and do St.
preaching as a Mormon and see

1235
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,640
how people react.
And I was just like, ah, no, I,

1236
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,560
I enjoy my privacy.
I'm too lazy.

1237
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:47,400
I'll go, I'll do whatever, and
then all of a sudden sore AII

1238
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,640
was just like, that's the best
way I can spread the gospel

1239
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:57,840
using AI.
Exactly, exactly.

1240
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:02,200
So I'm I'm going to ask this
question.

1241
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:11,600
What what is your worst fear in
doing this right?

1242
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:15,040
Because there's always, there's
always something that could

1243
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:18,280
backfire, right?
What's the one thing as you do

1244
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,240
this that you're like, OK, what?
What are some of the pitfalls

1245
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,200
here I can encounter?
I you know what?

1246
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:28,040
I haven't thought of the
negative, to be honest with you.

1247
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:34,280
The only thing I worried about
was the 1886 revelation because

1248
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:37,160
it's just like.
Just with your membership in the

1249
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:38,120
church.
Yeah.

1250
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:43,080
And it's just like, you know, if
if someone sees that and they

1251
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:47,480
know it's me, I guarantee you
I'll get a talking to you and

1252
01:18:47,480 --> 01:18:50,120
say, well, do you believe in the
practice of plural marriage?

1253
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:55,240
And then like, I'll be like,
well, no, I don't.

1254
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,600
And if you actually watch the
video, I put a warning in front

1255
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,960
of it saying this video is
neither for or against the

1256
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,240
practice of plural marriage.
That's what I'll say.

1257
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:07,800
That's just Blake and be like,
you know what?

1258
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:13,480
I enjoy history, I enjoy
learning of history and we have

1259
01:19:13,480 --> 01:19:21,360
these first hand accounts and
sworn and testified to of John

1260
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:23,840
Taylor's relation.
Right.

1261
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:27,880
And now we know for certain it's
it's a thing.

1262
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:29,320
Yeah, it's.
A thing, yes.

1263
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:37,200
Interesting.
So let me ask with that then,

1264
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:41,000
what do you hope that this
really does for for other

1265
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,360
Mormons or even non Mormons,
right?

1266
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:47,560
What what are your hopes for
your for your TikTok channel

1267
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:50,720
here?
Well, I put in a little summary

1268
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:55,040
because it has like you can put
a little bio and I said making

1269
01:19:55,200 --> 01:20:00,880
AI Mormon videos, making AI
Mormon video content to be

1270
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:04,720
spiritually uplifting.
Informative, honest, and

1271
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:08,560
objective.
Because what's?

1272
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:12,040
What's the better form than
audio visual to be?

1273
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:14,600
Right.
Saying the truth.

1274
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:21,520
Absolutely.
OK, so let me ask you this.

1275
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:28,440
You said, you said you needed
about $250 to to get the program

1276
01:20:28,440 --> 01:20:32,320
that you needed, right?
The question of money is not not

1277
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:35,480
a big issue.
It's just like I can save the

1278
01:20:35,480 --> 01:20:40,880
money from all the jobs I do and
eventually submit it to Angel

1279
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:45,640
Studios and see if I could be a
creative producer.

1280
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:51,440
And then say, let's have people
that are in BYU that are

1281
01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:56,520
animators come on board and
start creating animated content

1282
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:01,080
in a Japanese anime style.
That's like, that's the end

1283
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:03,040
goal.
Gotcha.

1284
01:21:03,480 --> 01:21:07,200
Now let me ask you this.
Are you all concerned, right,

1285
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:10,960
Because because look, you may
have some conflict of interest

1286
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,920
there with taking it to BYU,
right?

1287
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:15,520
Because I'm.
Not sure that.

1288
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:20,600
That anyone's going to want to
line up to, to like, yeah, we

1289
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:22,960
should totally do this on the
1886 revelation.

1290
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:30,840
You know, with that, it's called
history.

1291
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:37,680
Can we be honest about history?
Can we say, you know, even if it

1292
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:41,160
doesn't get created like a full
animated version of the 1886

1293
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:45,160
version of vision, it's going to
be there on my TikTok.

1294
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,720
You can still watch it.
You can still feel a spirit when

1295
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,800
you watch it.
And you know, if if they don't

1296
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:53,560
want to do something with it,
totally fine.

1297
01:21:53,840 --> 01:22:02,560
It's not a huge issue, but it's
just like, you know, it's nice

1298
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:08,840
being in a Mormon bubble and
having bubble content and going

1299
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:14,520
saying, oh, hey, this the the
movie about the young boy in

1300
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:17,520
Nazi Germany is is coming out
right.

1301
01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:22,880
And it's just like, well, is it
going to be in other theaters

1302
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,480
across the United States?
Like what's going on with that?

1303
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:30,680
And it's just like, and then
also like you have, I know there

1304
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:34,840
was like a Moroni movie that
came out recently too in the

1305
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:36,240
past.
Two years, I remember that.

1306
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:42,400
And it's just like you're only
releasing it in a predominantly

1307
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:51,520
Mormon area.
Like, I think that's where I'm

1308
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:52,880
trying.
I'm trying to word it right.

1309
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:57,960
We only make content for
ourselves.

1310
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:05,560
And you know, it's even even
that there was another movie.

1311
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:09,200
It was about the 16 stones of
the brother Jared.

1312
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:12,000
And that was just like, well,
that I don't that's not really

1313
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:13,960
even true, if that even
happened.

1314
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:18,400
But it's just like we're making
content for ourselves and it's

1315
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:27,840
like, we need to be like the
Christians of the world and make

1316
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,960
content about us and release it
for us.

1317
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:36,480
And it's just like you have all
these young kid animations where

1318
01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:39,040
it's like, I don't know, I'm not
going to say it's sloppy, but

1319
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:44,360
it's just like sometimes it can
be dumb to watch And you're just

1320
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:50,000
like, oh, that's cool, neat.
And then it's just like, like I

1321
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:56,760
said earlier, we, we haven't had
any real content for us in the

1322
01:23:56,760 --> 01:24:03,720
past 30 years for animation
besides the Living Scriptures,

1323
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:08,240
the Book of Mormon Stories and
the First Vision video.

1324
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:13,800
And like I, I was a kid and I
saw on the First Vision video

1325
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:17,600
VHS cassette box, there is a big
bright red 1.

1326
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:20,600
And I was like, wow, is there
going to be like more videos of

1327
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:26,040
Joseph Smith in church history?
That'd be so cool and never came

1328
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:29,840
to fruition.
And it's just like you have so

1329
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:35,040
many stories that you can draw
from, like with Brigham Young

1330
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:37,480
seeing the battle in heaven and
everything.

1331
01:24:37,480 --> 01:24:40,080
Right before Joseph Smith
produces the Book of Mormon.

1332
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:46,760
That vision, who else was in
that vision to it was like not

1333
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:49,320
was it Wilford Woodruff that saw
it on the other end?

1334
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:52,400
Or they were like neighbors and
they're like a mile apart or

1335
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:55,560
something.
Oh, I can't remember.

1336
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:58,400
Maybe it was.
Was it rigged in I?

1337
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:00,600
Don't think it was rigged, and I
don't think so, but it's just

1338
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:04,800
like we have all these cool
stories that can be produced.

1339
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:06,520
Or Kimball.
Excuse me, I didn't mean rigged.

1340
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:08,040
Yes, it was Kimball.
It was Kimball.

1341
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:09,960
You're correct.
I believe it was Kimball.

1342
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:15,160
But it's just like you have all
these cool stories that can be

1343
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:20,680
animated and done well, but what
do we do?

1344
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:24,520
We just go, church history is
scary, right?

1345
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:28,360
Well, I can't handle the truth
and cower about it, you know,

1346
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:36,680
like it's just, it's just
getting to the point of like we

1347
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:43,000
need to gear up for the second
coming, obviously, but it's just

1348
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:47,560
like we need to show our fruits.
We need to show everything.

1349
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:51,360
We need to be truthful about
everything and honest about

1350
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:57,400
everything and look at it and
go, you know, this may have

1351
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:03,880
happened, but here is it.
Here it is presented open

1352
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:06,640
honestly and do what you want
with it.

1353
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:12,960
You want to say, Oh no, that's
anti Mormon or go Oh no, that's

1354
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:15,360
that's that's promoting
fundamentalism.

1355
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:19,440
That's bad.
Like it's out there.

1356
01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:23,360
It's out there now.
Yeah, it's the age of the

1357
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:25,160
Internet.
There are no more secrets,

1358
01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:28,080
right?
It's, it's all there.

1359
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:32,320
The, the only question we, we
have to answer now in this

1360
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:35,000
generation is what are we going
to do with it, right?

1361
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,960
Are we going to, are we going to
embrace it?

1362
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:40,560
Are we going to tell our own
story?

1363
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:45,200
Because here's the thing,
there's a ton of news outlets,

1364
01:26:45,480 --> 01:26:50,680
there's a ton of detractors that
are trying to tell our story for

1365
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:53,520
us right now, right?
And I'm not just talking about

1366
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:58,760
fundamentalist mainstream LDS
folks, you know, independence,

1367
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:01,600
fundamentalist, the the gamut,
right?

1368
01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:08,120
And if if we cede that ground to
them, they will not give an

1369
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:12,800
honest telling of our history.
Well, it's like that Preacher,

1370
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:16,480
like right after the shooting
that happened in Grand Blanc,

1371
01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:20,240
MI.
It's just like, Oh well, the

1372
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:22,680
Book of Mormon is still evil.
No, it's not.

1373
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,040
How?
How is the Book of Mormon evil

1374
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:27,920
when it testifies of nothing but
Jesus Christ?

1375
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:34,760
I can tell you that the Quran is
totally backwards and doesn't

1376
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:39,080
even believe that Jesus Christ
was the Son of God and he was

1377
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:43,960
only a prophet of God and that
he didn't really die on the

1378
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,440
cross and everything.
But and you don't, you don't

1379
01:27:46,440 --> 01:27:49,840
back bite on that.
But oh, you have Joseph Smith.

1380
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:55,560
He was a young boy and he sees
God the Father and Jesus Christ

1381
01:27:56,320 --> 01:28:00,360
and it's just like you have a
mental break that it's like

1382
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:03,360
almost like Trump, Trump
derangement syndrome.

1383
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:07,160
You have Mormon derangement
syndrome, MD's.

1384
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:09,320
Oh, totally.
Totally.

1385
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:14,320
You, you need to, you need to go
ahead and put that on AT shirt,

1386
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:18,640
by the way, that's, that's your,
that's your next big one, MBS

1387
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:21,360
Mormon or MD's Mormon
Derangement Syndrome.

1388
01:28:21,480 --> 01:28:25,280
Yes, exactly.
That's fascinating.

1389
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:31,760
So have you thought about the
impact this could have on on

1390
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:35,080
kids, right?
Because look, as a parent

1391
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:39,400
myself, I know one of the big
things I constantly struggled

1392
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:43,880
with is just not even
necessarily teaching the gospel,

1393
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:48,320
just some place to send that I
can like, sit my kid down for 10

1394
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:52,360
minutes while I'm, you know,
doing whatever and be like,

1395
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:54,560
watch this and then let's talk
about it, right?

1396
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:56,640
Right.
Have you thought about that

1397
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:58,440
those applications to this at
all?

1398
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:02,200
You know, I, I have especially
with that comment that I read

1399
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:05,120
off earlier about how the, the,
the person was like, I'm, I'm

1400
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:10,600
having a great time bonding and
sharing this with my, my kid

1401
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:14,920
because they like anime.
And it's like, you know, there

1402
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:17,480
is that demographic.
As soon as you get like into

1403
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,520
being a teenager, you're kind of
edgy.

1404
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:24,240
You're like, I want to watch
like this and that I want to see

1405
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:26,640
blood and guts and stuff.
And it's just like, I'll just

1406
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:29,200
watch anime because I know
that's that's where, where I get

1407
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:32,480
to see all the edgy content.
But it's just like, well, you

1408
01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:38,240
know, we can use anime to
glorify and testify of Christ.

1409
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:46,720
And there's actually there's an
anime called Vinland Saga and

1410
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:52,280
like that has gospel elements in
it, but it's just more talking

1411
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:56,600
about like Vikings and the
discovery of America through

1412
01:29:56,600 --> 01:30:01,120
Vikings.
But it's just like you have I

1413
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:03,880
got to find it real quick
because I I love watching that

1414
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:09,760
video.
It's like, what Bible verse is

1415
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:13,000
it?
And it's not going to tell me,

1416
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:20,280
oh, there's a person reading to
an old man in bed, Matthew 543

1417
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:24,320
for 48, like love your enemies.
And it's just like you're

1418
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:32,160
watching that video and you're,
you're hearing gospel being

1419
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:36,960
taught through that form, even
though it's a, it's an anime

1420
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:38,840
that's like dealing with
fighting and everything.

1421
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:43,600
And it's just like you have a
moment of like the gospel being

1422
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:46,080
preached to everyone at that
time.

1423
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:50,880
Like you can hear, like you can
see what's going on with the

1424
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:54,200
Viking or the Norse people.
And then there's, there's

1425
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:56,840
another thing too.
I like, I like watching Russian

1426
01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:02,480
animation.
And they have a lot of videos of

1427
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:08,880
like, there's, there's one
called barrier cross and it's

1428
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:13,680
about a guy that's like, he's
really struggling because the

1429
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:17,560
Mongols are coming through.
They destroy his family or they

1430
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:20,680
destroy his household.
And he's just like, God, why,

1431
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:24,520
why, why is this happening?
And an Angel comes and it's

1432
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:27,760
like, well, you want to choose
your own cross.

1433
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:30,040
There's, there's a whole bunch
of different crosses here.

1434
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:35,320
And first he grabs like this big
Lord, like beautiful golden

1435
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:38,520
cross.
And it's like it shows a Russian

1436
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:41,600
Prince fighting the Mongol
hordes.

1437
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:47,280
And ultimately that Russian
Prince gets killed and he gets

1438
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:52,320
lifted up with Spears in the
form of the cross.

1439
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:55,400
And then it goes back to the
Russian peasant.

1440
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:57,320
And it's just like, Oh no, I
can't bear that cross.

1441
01:31:57,320 --> 01:32:00,840
I can't do that.
And then it shows another cross

1442
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:08,040
and he picks it up and it's like
a simple cross and it shows a, a

1443
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:13,960
monk praying in a cave and being
attacked by demons.

1444
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:15,960
And the demons are like, oh, you
can go and be lustful.

1445
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:17,760
You can go and do this.
You can go and do that.

1446
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:21,080
And just having that spiritual
attack happened constantly,

1447
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:24,280
constantly while trying to pray
and trying to read the

1448
01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:28,880
scriptures and be a monk in
isolation and having to deal

1449
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:30,720
with that.
And the guy's just like, oh,

1450
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:33,800
well, I can't bear that cross.
That's that's something I can't

1451
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:36,520
deal with either.
And then it just shows a really

1452
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:40,240
simple wooden cross.
And I, I haven't watched it in a

1453
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:41,960
long while now.
I'm just trying to remember what

1454
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:46,480
that part was.
But in the end it goes back to

1455
01:32:46,480 --> 01:32:50,320
him.
And it's just like, this is what

1456
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:52,680
you can do to bury your own
cross.

1457
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:57,560
Like you can be doing XY and Z
and you can have a better family

1458
01:32:57,560 --> 01:33:01,240
after the situation.
You can do whatever and it's

1459
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:05,480
just like where, where is art
animated content like that?

1460
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:11,320
You know, it's just like you
have this beautiful medium to

1461
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:16,240
use art to teach and edify
everyone.

1462
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:22,480
Right.
And you know, we live at such a

1463
01:33:22,480 --> 01:33:27,440
remarkable time now where where
guys like you and I can have not

1464
01:33:27,440 --> 01:33:31,760
just impact within our own
community, right, but it goes

1465
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:33,600
out to the world.
Right.

1466
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:39,640
Right, like there are these
mediums are available now where

1467
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:45,040
they can, they can penetrate any
place that has signal, right.

1468
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:51,360
And I, I think back to those
early restoration days even,

1469
01:33:51,440 --> 01:33:55,480
right.
What would they have given to be

1470
01:33:55,480 --> 01:33:58,520
able to send messages?
Like we can send them to tell

1471
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:03,800
stories in a way that is
complete and whole and be able

1472
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:07,320
to have them go out in a flash,
right?

1473
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:09,520
It's nothing short of
miraculous.

1474
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:14,840
And yet we use that tech to play
Angry Birds, right?

1475
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:18,320
I just find it just an
interesting dichotomy.

1476
01:34:19,440 --> 01:34:22,920
You know, especially since I've
been doing these animated

1477
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:29,240
videos, like I see even anti
Mormon content with AI and

1478
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:32,880
there's like a, an animated like
kind of looks like a, a family

1479
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:35,600
guy's skit.
And it's like showing Joseph

1480
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:39,800
Smith eating mushrooms and then
having God the Father and Jesus

1481
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:42,080
Christ appear.
Because I don't know if you ever

1482
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:44,160
heard of that theory of like
Joseph Smith.

1483
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:49,280
I have mushrooms and everything.
And I'm just like, how, how are

1484
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:51,520
we at this point where we're
trying to go?

1485
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:53,600
Oh, Joseph Smith was high when
he saw God.

1486
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:59,440
Like really like, come on.
Yeah, totally.

1487
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:02,560
No.
And and look here, here's the

1488
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:05,880
other thing I want to say,
Joshua, is that we're, we're in

1489
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:09,720
a position now where kind of the
church's problems are also our

1490
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:11,520
problems as fundamentalism,
right?

1491
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:15,440
Like the problems facing the
restoration aren't really

1492
01:35:15,440 --> 01:35:17,240
contained to one group any
longer.

1493
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:19,480
No.
We're all up against the wall

1494
01:35:19,480 --> 01:35:24,280
now trying to to fend, fend the
wolves off, so to speak, and

1495
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:27,520
protect our children and make
sure they're getting correct

1496
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:31,040
messaging.
And so there is so much shared

1497
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:35,960
history here that I feel like
you can, you know, you can kind

1498
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:40,320
of be able to fill that void.
And I think that's so important

1499
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:43,760
with with that said, what's your
hopes?

1500
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:46,680
You know, we've talked about
maybe going to a bigger studio

1501
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:51,120
or whatever, but outside of
that, what, what are your big

1502
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:56,760
hopes here for your channel?
You know what, At the end of the

1503
01:35:56,760 --> 01:36:02,520
day, it's just the gospel.
It just comes down to what kind

1504
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:08,400
of story that I can create with
AI that will resonate with

1505
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:14,080
someone that either watches it
for 22 seconds and then flips

1506
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:18,400
off to a different video or
sticks around and watches the

1507
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:22,200
whole video to the very end.
And it's just like I chose

1508
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:28,560
TikTok over YouTube because it's
just like brain rot.

1509
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:30,640
You know, there's nothing but
brain rot on TikTok.

1510
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:34,840
So I'm just going to make these
short clips to grab people's

1511
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:39,280
attention.
And, you know, at the end of the

1512
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:42,480
day, I, I, I don't want to make
short content.

1513
01:36:42,480 --> 01:36:44,920
I want to make fantastic
stories.

1514
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:50,000
I want to be able to like, like
with the brother of Jared video.

1515
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:53,080
It's just like talking to it.
It shows the OR Moroni at the

1516
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:59,040
very beginning going man, Ron, I
Maury Ankemer, how am I going to

1517
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:02,640
fill this on this whole page or
of the book of the OR this

1518
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:05,800
plate?
Like I can't believe his name's

1519
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:08,720
that long and I need space to
write for myself.

1520
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:11,200
So I'm going to shorten it down
to the brother Jared.

1521
01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:17,600
And it's just like, can we
humanize the scriptures even

1522
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:24,960
more with animation and?
Oh, that's, that's fantastic.

1523
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:29,560
Like I'm going to make a Alma
the the younger video too

1524
01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:33,240
eventually.
And just like how Alma the

1525
01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:36,200
younger and the sons of Mosiah
went around wanting to destroy

1526
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:40,600
the church and then Alma being
struck by an Angel to repent.

1527
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:42,000
Like that's another one that I
want to do.

1528
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:46,840
And it's just like, how can we
humanize Alma from the

1529
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:51,280
scriptures and show like the
riotous living that he had?

1530
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:56,080
And it's just like, you know,
like going back to the living

1531
01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:59,000
scriptures, like the living
scriptures has has that kind of

1532
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:01,680
video too.
And it touches on it too.

1533
01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:05,200
But it's just like, why don't
why don't we show that like he's

1534
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:07,920
actively going against the
church and is like reaching

1535
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:10,320
against the church, saying all
this, this stuff that my

1536
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:12,640
father's teaching, whole bunch
of lies.

1537
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:14,880
It's never going to happen.
I'm going to listen to core

1538
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:16,200
horror.
I'm going to listen to these

1539
01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:22,000
other people that said Christ
isn't going to come or that he's

1540
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:26,720
not going to do this.
And it's just like, let's let's

1541
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:29,240
bring it to our day.
Let's bring it to where we're at

1542
01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:34,760
as a Society of all the second
comings never going to happen or

1543
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:37,640
there's no more prophets on the
earth.

1544
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:43,160
There can only there there's a
person that posted on a video.

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01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:46,960
They're like, there can't be any
Gentile prophets.

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01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:51,600
They're all supposed to be Jews.
And I'm like, oh buddy, I can

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01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:56,320
either make a a Bible, a Bible
video and say we all, we have a

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01:38:56,320 --> 01:39:02,400
Bible and that's enough Bible
that we need and then go Christ

1549
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:07,440
says he talks to everyone
everywhere and he has not

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01:39:07,440 --> 01:39:11,600
forgotten any of us.
Right.

1551
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:14,160
You know, you, you hit on
something that's so important

1552
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:19,720
there, Joshua, which is
humanizing the scriptures,

1553
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:23,160
right?
And, and we tend to do something

1554
01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:29,920
very similar when we, when we
some of our like revolutionary

1555
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:32,840
heroes, And I'd say we do this
with, with Mormon heroes too,

1556
01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:36,440
where we have this tendency to
turn them into marble statues,

1557
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:39,120
right?
They're pristine, They're white.

1558
01:39:39,480 --> 01:39:43,320
Not not like literal statues,
sometimes literal statue, but

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01:39:43,400 --> 01:39:47,120
but metaphorically speaking,
marble statues right now, they

1560
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:50,600
might be beautiful to to stare
upon, right?

1561
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:54,000
They may seem pure, right that
what nice white marble.

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01:39:54,480 --> 01:39:58,360
But the problem with that is is
that when we don't humanize

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01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:02,040
them, two things happen.
One is we don't get to tell

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01:40:02,040 --> 01:40:05,360
their full story.
And that story is important

1565
01:40:05,480 --> 01:40:11,520
because, so look, every bit of
humanity barring Jesus Christ,

1566
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:16,480
every bit of humanity is
riddled.

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01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:21,080
With imperfections, with flaws,
with shortcomings, with

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01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:26,040
failings, right?
But nonetheless, God uses

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01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:29,320
imperfect people to perform his
perfect work.

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01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:35,520
And sometimes we tend to look at
those people who we have turned

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01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:39,960
into marble statues and we say
we just can't attain to that

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01:40:39,960 --> 01:40:42,320
level.
Well, no kidding, because you

1573
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:46,720
were telling it and you're
telling an an incorrect story,

1574
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:50,400
right?
God uses imperfect people all

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01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:55,000
the time to perform his work.
And sometimes I think we like

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01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:58,280
making a marble statues so we
don't have to worry about it

1577
01:40:58,280 --> 01:41:00,880
anymore, right?
We can say, well, that's for the

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01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:04,600
next guy that comes along that
is pure and spotless.

1579
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:10,200
When in reality, we're falling
down at our callings because

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01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:12,840
we've convinced ourselves we're
not worthy.

1581
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:16,920
Right.
And like, but it's just like,

1582
01:41:18,480 --> 01:41:23,440
yeah, we people make mistakes.
Everybody makes mistakes and

1583
01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:27,600
they can rise above it and still
be a better person.

1584
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:32,800
Absolutely.
Well brother, I think what

1585
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:35,160
you're doing here is fantastic
work.

1586
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:37,640
I am a fan.
In fact, with with your

1587
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:40,880
permission, I would love to
stick a link to your Facebook,

1588
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:46,640
excuse me, your TikTok page on
on the 1830 website that I have.

1589
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:48,920
For go ahead.
To just go and view if you're

1590
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:52,320
good with that.
Go ahead, like put it in the

1591
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:56,520
upload like in the Apple or
whatever.

1592
01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:58,960
Just put that in there too for
the TikTok if you wanted to do

1593
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:03,360
that and like that's the best
way to reach out to me too is

1594
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:06,920
just message me on TikTok and
say hey, I enjoy your content.

1595
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:10,360
Keep it up.
Absolutely, absolutely.

1596
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:13,560
Well, dude, is there anything
else that we didn't cover that

1597
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:17,720
you'd like to cover yourself?
No, I think we hit everything on

1598
01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:19,840
the head.
Perfect.

1599
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:23,640
Well, dude, it was a pleasure.
And Matt, as as you start doing

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01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:26,280
these projects more and more,
keep me informed.

1601
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:28,560
We'll get you back on.
You got a standing invitation to

1602
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:33,360
come on and look, I'm just
saying you're, you're creating

1603
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:37,000
this content that's benefiting
all of us, right?

1604
01:42:37,400 --> 01:42:41,640
And I know first hand that that
doing these things aren't

1605
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:46,520
necessarily on the cheap, right?
And so dude, if you wanted to

1606
01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:48,800
make a GoFundMe page, it's not
that much.

1607
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:51,360
And I think people would
absolutely donate to.

1608
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:55,080
This I made a Patreon.
I made a Patreon.

1609
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:59,240
I'm like, I'll figure it out how
to make donations or whatever.

1610
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:02,920
OK, we'll make a Patreon and
send that to me, all right?

1611
01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:06,960
OK, yeah, I have it made-up.
And like, I just, I just don't

1612
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:10,840
know how to really run Patreon
on the business side because

1613
01:43:10,840 --> 01:43:14,800
I've always used it to like
subscribe to content creators.

1614
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:16,800
Sure, sure.
I.

1615
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:18,800
Look, I did it once.
You can do it.

1616
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:21,160
Yeah, I can navigate it.
You can navigate it.

1617
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:27,520
But, but no, I mean, really,
man, I, I can't, I, I think this

1618
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:30,800
is going to fill a massive void
in Mormonism.

1619
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:34,040
I feel like it's needed.
And I'm, I'm here to support you

1620
01:43:34,040 --> 01:43:37,760
however I can.
So man, keep up the good work.

1621
01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:40,680
You know what, Dave?
I really appreciate that.

1622
01:43:40,680 --> 01:43:44,960
I really appreciate being on the
podcast and being able to speak

1623
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:47,840
with you and share everything
that I'm doing.

1624
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:52,640
I really appreciate it.
No sweat man, I am so glad to

1625
01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:55,960
have you on.
And yeah, let's do it again.

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01:43:56,440 --> 01:44:00,200
OK, I will keep you informed.
Perfect.

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01:44:00,480 --> 01:44:02,040
All right?
Hang out for just 5 minutes, all

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01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:03,280
right?
Not a problem.

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01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:05,080
All right.
Bye everybody.

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Bye bye.
You're listening to the morning.