Episode #207: A Critique of the Documentary Hypothesis W/Joshua Erickson

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Listening to the Mormon Renegade
podcast.

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Josh back at it again, man.
Yeah, it's been a long time

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coming for this one.
It has, it has been talking

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about this one for a while
because look, I'll be honest, I

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haven't completely made up my
mind on this topic yet, right.

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So I'm really looking forward to
these to these episodes that

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we're that I'm going to do on
this because I feel like I'm

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gonna be learning with everybody
else.

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So I'm super stoked.
You're here.

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Thanks for tackling this.
This is a, this is a meaty

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subject, the the bit of reading
I have done on it.

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It's it, it's meaty, right?
It's not something that you're

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just gonna Breeze through and
like a half hour and come up

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with a conclusion, I think and
the implications of this are

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huge.
Yeah.

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Yeah, I think my I think that's
fair that it's, you know, it is

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quite a meaty thing and also,
yeah, you're right.

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They're like the implications
are Serious or can be serious.

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so yeah, I'm going to talk about
the documentary hypothesis and

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also, I'm going to give kind of
an overview of what the

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documentary hypothesis is, and
kind of some of the concerns

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that I see with it.
And then go into a little more

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depth on a part of the
documentary hypothesis, which is

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called the deuteronomist
hypothesis.

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But that's just kind of a subset
of the documentary hypothesis.

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So now you've heard of you've
done a little research, you said

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so right?
What is the, what is the

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documentary hypothesis?
The.

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So again, you know, Yeah, I'm
I'm probably gonna get this

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wrong, but as far as I can tell
the documentary hypothesis makes

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the, the argument that there's
essentially two things

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happening, especially within the
Old Testament, right?

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And it has to do with the
northern and the southern

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kingdoms and, um, that there's
some propaganda play at times

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and some of the accounts that we
read in Scripture. kind of more

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of a Priestly class versus a I
don't even know what kind of

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class you'd call it.
Right?

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But you know how sacrifices are
offered up?

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Are they offered up inside and
outside the temple?

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Like there, there seems to be
like It competing.

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Narrative, I shouldn't say
narratives even because even the

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narratives kind of line up, but
kind of competing voices if you

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will in the Old Testament, if I
got any of that wrong or that's

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too simple.
Please correct.

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No, that's pretty good.
Yeah, it's a, it is a scholarly

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Dogma.
I'll say like it is it is, it is

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the leading.
Scholarly opinion.

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As far as how the scriptures
were put together, especially

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when we're talking about the
Torah, the, or the pentateuch,

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the five books of Moses, that's
kind of where this began.

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Although similar kind of
analysis have been done to the

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rest of the scripture as well.
The rest of the Bible at least,

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but yeah, it's basically saying
that the five books and I have

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to be a little disclaimer here
because there are actually A

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great many varieties of the
documentary hypothesis.

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But what I'm just the part that
I'm going to kind of stick to is

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kind of the scholarly consensus,
I guess.

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So just realize that people who
believe the documentary

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hypothesis might have different,
even Scholars might have

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different variations on the
things I'm going to say and I

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can't I can't really say all of
the variations, but the

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consensus is that The five books
of Moses were not written by

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Moses, but rather it's a
composite work, as you said from

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like competing, factions of
ancient Israelites.

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For or more, sometimes there's
six or eight or ten different

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competing, factions, and
different different authors

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different literary Traditions
that all eventually get stitched

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together and definitely, not at
the time of Moses.

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But usually they say it was like
the Torah did not come together

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until after the Babylonian
captivity.

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Okay, so so do they make the
content?

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The contention that up until The
Babylonian captivity, it was all

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oral tradition, right?
Yes, oral tradition and

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competing oral traditions.
So I mean this this Theory this

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hypothesis I should say it is it
is kind of a naturalistic theory

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of how the scripture has evolved
and how it has developed.

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In its again, in its scholarly
form, it it denies the Divine or

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revelatory.
Authorship of any of this again.

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There is no Moses who wrote
these things.

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Moses is not the author of
anything Moses is the one that

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all these are pinned on, all
these ideas and stories are

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pinned on him, in order to give
them Creedence and, you know,

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Authority.
So not even though, even though

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the documentary hypothesis is
atheistic like it's just

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naturalistic, that doesn't mean
everyone who believes in it or

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atheist necessarily.
But it is the kind of thing

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that, you know, agnostics and
atheists.

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Do subscribe to this Theory.
As the as the source for the

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scriptures, obviously is very
appealing in that way. so, You

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mentioned that the different
source and I'll just briefly go

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through these, but it started,
you know, back in the 1700s,

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there's a fellow named awestruck
Jean ostrac.

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He's the guy on the left there.
he was actually a physician, and

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he noticed that Sometimes the
scriptures would use the the

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term Jehovah or Lord.
And sometimes they would use.

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L or Elohim or some form of that
name or God, right?

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That's the English translation.
And so, His his hypothesis,

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which was later kind of expanded
by.

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Ikon who's the other guy shown
there was that there was these

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two sources, J and E.
And You know, and they were they

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had different names for God and
in fact, in fact, the theory is

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that they were different gods.
And that back in Israel's early

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days that they were polytheistic
just like all the nations

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surrounding them and there's
competing gods and eventually

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they got together for.
Whatever the reason might be and

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decided to.
Kind of smush the stories

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together.
So, The.

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Theory eventually gets picked up
by this guy.

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Whose name is Julius bellhaus
wellhausen.

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He's German Lutheran and he
writes this book.

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Prologue.
Gomez to the history of ancient

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Israel is like the prologue to
the history of ancient Israel,

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and he really kind of puts the
whole hypothesis together. there

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had been some other people who'd
worked on this as well, but he

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is the one who really kind of
comes up with this model here.

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So there's the J Source, the
Jehovah source, and the Elohim

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source, and they get combined.
And then at some point, there's

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another Priestly source and
their kind of not as interested

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in the stories, but they're the
priests are interested in, of

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course, sacrifices and the
temple and things like that and

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then later there's a d source
which is the deuteronomist which

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we'll talk about more later and
actually they all get put

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together by an R source which is
the redactor who kind of is the

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editor who is compiling all
these things?

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So wellhausen.
His his kind of summary by the

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way, this is.
So this is what Before we move

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on there, what if you're right
with it?

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The folks who referred to God as
Jehovah.

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Were they the North or the
southern south Kingdom?

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I believe they were the northern
all though.

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Although I don't know, that's
actually not.

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That's kind of.
As far as I've.

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's it.
I'm pretty sure that's North.

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Okay.
Um, we have to look that up

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though. okay, this is this is
kind of the breakdown of the

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books in the pentateuch the
Torah and who the authors, who,

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who some people think that the
authors are so, there's the The

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five sources there.
That was Priestly, the

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deuteronomist, which basically
has all the book of Deuteronomy,

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and then a redactor that kind of
puts things together.

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Now, there are other versions
like I said that, get much more

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complicated.
This is not even this year, is

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not even the most complicated,
but a lot of people think

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there's more than one
deuteronomist author and um, and

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that And yeah, a lot of these
things are broken down kind of

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quite far more than one redactor
as well.

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So here's another chart that I
found, you know, this just from

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Wikipedia but this has Jep D1
D2, two different, red actors.

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And then some other things here
in my just kind of, you know,

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when I first saw that graph, I
felt like I should get my phone

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and scan that and see what it
comes up as so You know, that's

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interesting.
And are there any graphs that

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kind of show like You according
to the theory, right?

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And yeah.
Is there is there is there like

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graphs that show?
Hey chapter 7 of Genesis through

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verses from here to here are
being ascribed to Yeah, Jay.

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Yeah.
There's definitely there's only

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books, the the proponents of the
documentary hypothesis.

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Can't really agree on those
details.

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But there definitely are people
who have put forward their their

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guesses about things they're
hypotheses.

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Got you?
Okay.

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Yep.
And so you can, you can play it

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right down from.
I mean, they're they have their

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scalpel and they're cutting like
Cutting verses into pieces and

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chopping up.
Chopping them up.

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Word by word to see to kind of
guess where every word came

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from. so, Wellhausen, you know,
his, he has idea.

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Basically.
Is that there was there was no

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law in ancient Israel. no,
written law that the Torah was

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And this is, this is a lot of
where the, the anti-Semitism

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comes from right.
I mean, he's Lutheran.

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I don't know if you're familiar
with the views that Martin

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Luther had towards the Jews.
But they were it was not good.

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It's yeah, it's embarrassing.
Actually.

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For Lutheran's probably.
But anyway, he says there was no

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no written law.
No Torah, that all was oral

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tradition.
That was passed down and that

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Deuteronomy was the very first
thing that was written.

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And that was kind of started as
I said during during the

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Babylonian exile, when the
prophetic tradition had died

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out, so they just, you know, no,
more profits were coming.

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And so they wrote these things
down, Deuteronomy was the very

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first thing. then well, velhas
and says, Ezekiel and his

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successors, they were
responsible for the codification

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and systemization and also Ezra
for the the Priestly code.

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Okay, so that's the P source.
And that.

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This RIT having a written law.
That is basically what made the

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Jews.
Okay, that's what made Jews

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separate from Israel from
ancient Israel.

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Is that the Jews have this Torah
which again, if you if you know

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anything about Martin Luther?
Like he's not really a fan of

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Right. so it's really, yeah,
it's kind of an anti at least in

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In Valles case, kind of an anti
Jewish.

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Thing and an anti-law thing.
Like we don't, we, you know, we

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are Christians, we're free from
the law and the law wasn't

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really ever a thing.
Anyway, that was just a bunch of

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like conspiring Jews who got
together and wrote that and kind

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of pawned that off on the world
as a as a thing.

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Interesting.
You know, you said something

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else.
That was interesting.

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I want to make sure I understood
that correctly, you're saying so

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the the documentary hypothesis
proposes that there was no

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written Horror until the
Babylonian captivity, because

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the prophetic tradition had died
out.

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Yeah, until until then, or after
Now, I will say that there are

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there are again, differences of
opinion here.

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This is, this is well housing's
opinion though.

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And he is the, he's the chief
proponent kind of every all the

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other.
Versions of the documentary.

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Hypothesis have been versions of
Ohio housing's.

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So, there are, there are
Versions, that believe that it,

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that some parts of it were that
you did predate.

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The, the Babylonian captivity
But for the most part, it's

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right there around.
Around that time when the Torah

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actually comes into existence.
So and can I ask a couple

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questions about Julius here?
Because he's going to I I think

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I think some of his opinions May
bear out some weight here so

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when he says it nothing was
written down.

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Does he does he make the oh, I
guess the arguing does he lay

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down and argument that like
Moses wasn't a historical

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figure.
I don't, you know, I don't know

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if I have not, I have not read.
This is, this is actually, it's

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originally written in German.
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English.
So I haven't read all of his

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stuff I have read.
Some other books on it.

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This is the this is kind of the
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And if you can read that, who
wrote the Bible, the Bible,

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Richard Elliott Friedman. this
is, But Friedman definitely

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doesn't believe in that Moses.
Existed Friedman's a Jew even So

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that's kind of a wild thing to
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But yeah I think that most
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researching this and writing
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I would say that most of them
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existence of Moses.
I think that's that's the usual

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thing and that show and that
shows in the, in their

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hypotheses.
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If you're honest about
evaluating this.

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So, so, those those Scholars who
are religious, right?

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And it's more specifically,
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They just say, well, he was on
to something, but he got this

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part about Moses wrong, right?
Or something of that, that

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magnitude, how do they make that
fit, right?

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Um, you to be honest.
I don't know how they make that,

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okay, it doesn't seem to be
compatible if you take things to

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their logical conclusions.
I do think there is.

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I mean, I'm going to be a little
bit blunt here, but I think it

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is a I think belief, in this is
a is a social Contagion.

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Similar to other crazy ideas
that we see in our society. that

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don't really make sense if you
take them to their conclusion

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but they are out there anyway
and there's a large body of

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people pushing for it, and so
it's kind of Invoke, you know,

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it's the scholarly thing.
It's the intelligent thing.

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It's the if you know, you kind
of you're in the in the In

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Crowd, you know you know some
Some secrets about how things

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are put together and and that's
kind of exciting, you know?

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To.
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thinking off the top of my head,
it would be awfully hard to be.

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Like if you accepted the full
thing, right?

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And look I'm leaving a lot of
room here for nuance because I I

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do think this is one of those
areas that that you would have

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to have a lot of nuance on if
you were going to be a believer.

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So this is this is not a
generalization but my thought is

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that if you were trying to be a
believer in the restoration that

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no Moses thing is going to be
hard because who comes to the

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current wind Temple to restore
some keys for Joseph.

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It's Moses Wright.
Who, who is it on, on the

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mountain of transfiguration at
Jesus's?

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Transfiguration, I believe Moses
was one right?

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And so it does have yeah I could
see I could see where it could

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be problematic.
If you embrace the full thing

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without any new ones at all.
Yeah.

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And so how do individual people
do it?

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Like they would have to answer I
guess for themselves.

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Okay.
But you know the funny thing the

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funny thing is, is that Is that
I would bet you that.

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If there are believers who
decide that they're going to

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have a nuanced thing about it,
that they would be ridiculed by

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the folks that are pushing this,
by the scholars that came up

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with this.
Um, so anyway, that's up to each

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person to decide but, you know,
the so I'm going to kind of go

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through some of the the
motivations for like why?

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Why was?
Why is this a thing?

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Like what are the evidence is,
because There are evidences for

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the documentary hypothesis.
There are kind of reasons why

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these things have been
investigated and put forward as

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hypotheses in the first place.
And so you know, I I don't want

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to say that it's without Merit.
I just think that it's not the

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best theory.
I do think that it falls apart

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if you examine it closely, but
that doesn't mean that it's not

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without evidence.
So so one of them and this is

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how we began is the, is the idea
that there's more than one name

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used to refer to God.
And in fact, there's more than

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just Elohim and Jehovah, right?
There's actually a whole bunch

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of extra titles put on that.
There's God Almighty and you

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know, Lord of hosts and, you
know, I there's probably I know

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people have made Tables of this
thing, you know, there's 50 or

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60 different kind of titles
giving to giving to God, man of

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war, and man of Holiness.
And on and on, um, Now, the

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question, the question is,
though.

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Because this is, this is the
deuteronomist.

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Supposition here, is that the
fact that there is more than one

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name used to represent the god
of Israel.

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Necessarily means that there's
more than one author because if

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there was a single author and if
it was Moses then you know

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therefore there would only be
one name every used for God.

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Now you tell me what you think
about that idea.

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Do you think that holds water
that would be the only name you

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would use for God if it was one
author.

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Yeah.
It's like I'll just ask you a

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question.
Like do you do you have one and

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only one name that by which you
refer to your wife?

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oh, You don't there you must be
a multiple personalities, I

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don't know.
Like it's it's no I'm just using

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but it's seems strange to and
unnatural actually to kind of

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hold to that idea.
As as a necessary condition.

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Okay?
When it's just so obvious.

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So easily demonstrated that
like, what a normal thing that

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is, To refer.
I mean we just do it in our

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regular life.
We refer to People by different

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names, A lot of that depending
on the context.

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Whether yeah a co-worker or a
mother, or a wife, or a sister,

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or a daughter Etc, right?
Right.

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And the other thing is too, is
that this is all.

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So not a strange thing when we
look at other documents in the

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near East, look at other tablets
and inscriptions, and You know,

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the the gods of other nations
are all.

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So, like in the same document
referred to by multiple names,

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it is a normal thing to do and
it's a normal thing for us to do

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in our everyday life.
And so to, I think we are kind

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of straining at Nats here, like
making things into evidence that

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aren't the don't really imply
anything one way or the other.

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That's what I'm going to say.
Gotcha, gotcha.

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Okay, no.
I make sense that's that's an

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interesting way of looking at
two.

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I was just sitting here thinking
about, you know, sometimes it's

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It's you know either Amber or
Tanya or its hun or babe or

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something like that, right?
Um, even with my kids, right?

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Sometimes it's not.
Hey come here Jacob?

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It's come here son, right?
So yeah I mean I see where

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you're going there.
Yeah, so and you know, feel free

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to push back on any of this but
the the other is not only God

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too.
It's the other names in the

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scripture as well.
You know, Mount Sinai is also

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called Mount Horeb.
And right, even Abram is called

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Abraham, and now you and and,
you know, Jacob is called

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Israel.
And you might have a theological

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reason for accepting that.
Those are the same person and

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and that there's like, meaning
to that.

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But the documentary hypothesis
don't to them, that is because

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there's stories about these
people.

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And sometimes those are not even
the same people necessarily

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Stories about these people.
And it's they just have

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different names because they're,
you know, different groups of

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people are talking about them
and then they get smushed

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together.
And so we have to come up with a

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fake story about how they like
why they have two names or

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something like that.
Right, so here's here's an

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example.
This is a, this is from an

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article in torah.com tour
magazine by Dr. Zima Yura.

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The it's called Jacob is renamed
Israel twice.

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And why does the J?
Why does the name Jacob remain?

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So, this is just a little
excerpt from it, so you can kind

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of understand what the
documentary hypothesis say

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about, why?
We have Jacob and Israel in the

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scriptures. all right, graphic
considerations e.

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Okay sorry that was the town e
so that's the the E Source e is

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unique among the penta to cool
sources.

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Having been composed in the
northern kingdom.

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Oh, there you go.
He's the northern kingdom.

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Which was called Israel.
J in contrast was composed in

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the southern Kingdom of Judah.
As was p and most of the Bible

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for E Jacob slash Israel is the
most important patriarch.

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But for Jay Abraham the
patriarch of the South was the

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most important ancestor.
In e.

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Abraham sacrifices.
His son, Isaac. when the latter

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was a child ending, the line of
Abraham In.

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So, Jacob in E is not related to
Abraham. but, The J Source

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resurrects Isaac, and makes him
Jacob's father.

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Thus making Abraham, the
progenitor of Jacob Abraham is

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depicted much more positively by
Jay than Jacob is and given

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precedent by being his
ancestors.

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When the E document was brought
to Southern Israel, IE Judah by

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scribes fleeing the North.
After the Assyrian Conquest

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Judean authors sought to make
ease account of Israel's Origins

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more relevant to their readers
and thus added Judah and Judean

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themes everywhere.
They could this process began

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with j.
The First Southern

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supplementary, but since all
ladder sources were Southern

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this pattern, persisted among
other authors as well.

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In the case of Jacob versus
Israel.

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Perhaps J wished to de-emphasize
the significance of this third

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patriarch.
After whom the entire nation,

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Israel was named There you go.
That's so yeah.

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According to this guy Abraham
and Jacob are not actually even

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related.
That was just a literary thing

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that describes did to kind of
gain power.

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You know, by harmonizing the
story is from these two

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different groups.
Oh, okay. so, That's a big leap

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though, right?
I mean that again, the

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implications of that huge, the
leaps are huge actually because

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there's all these hypothesized
sources and they come up with

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conjectures about what their
motives might have been, but

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there's zero manuscript evidence
of any of this.

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Like we find all these ancient
fragments of manuscripts and

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things.
The Dead Sea Scrolls, and Not

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commodity librarian, things
things buried in every every

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place that we find everything.
There's we've never found a j

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like a j document.
Or an email.

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We always interesting.
We always we always find.

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The whole thing.
So, All of the.

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All of the physical evidence
that the manuscript evidence

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like like none of it.
None of it supports the

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documentary bosses.
Documentary hypothesis is

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literally like the evidence is
literary in nature.

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Like it's it's picking apart the
text and trying to come up

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because of, you know, different
names of places and people and

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God and assigning those two
different authors because

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because different names implies
that they're written by

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different authors obviously.
And what?

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Let me ask this.
Yeah.

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Is there something to be said?
Well and well, I guess we

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wouldn't really know, right?
Because that's that's my other

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that that kind of answers
itself.

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My question was going to be,
well, do we find any old old

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documents that seem to, you
know?

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Hey, this whole book refers to
God as e and this other whole

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book refers to it as J.
But you were just saying that,

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they they don't see that in the
history.

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Correct.
Yeah.

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That is That is the case.
Now there are other there are

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other inconsistencies too I'll
say or apparent inconsistency.

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So one is Moses and my
formatting is a little messed up

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there and apologize for that.
All right.

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Um one is the that Moses's death
occurs like at the end of the

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book of Deuteronomy and then
there's like stuff written

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afterwards.
And so Moses clearly couldn't

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have written that, you know,
unless he was writing

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prophetically or something which
just seems a little odd.

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So, you know, I'll grant that
like I don't even though I even

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though I don't think the
documentary hypothesis, Um, is

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co is coherent or useful.
Certainly not for me, coming

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from a faithful perspective.
I'm still not like so.

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I'm not so Baptist
fundamentalist Baptist to say

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that Moses wrote every single
word in Deuteronomy.

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Like I don't have a problem with
Joshua finishing up the last

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couple of, you know, the last
paragraph or whatever to finish

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out the book.
So there are things like that.

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Let's see.
There are references, sometimes

450
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in the Torah that say to this
day, you know, this group of

451
00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:19,700
people is here to this day even
though You know, this is like

452
00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:25,600
seems like it was written after
the, the people crossed into the

453
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,100
Jordan River into the promised
land.

454
00:30:27,108 --> 00:30:29,500
And so, again, like I don't have
a problem.

455
00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:35,400
In fact, I think this is likely
that that the, that scribes

456
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,500
Copying this over the years
updated, some things and and

457
00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:44,100
added in those phrases saying
that like, yes, this this was,

458
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:45,700
this was something that was
happening back then.

459
00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:49,600
And those stones remain there to
this day, or these people remain

460
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:55,400
there to this direction.
Another one is the the third

461
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,200
person reference system Moses.
So Moses, Moses like the Torah

462
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,100
is written in the third person.
Moses refers to himself as

463
00:31:02,100 --> 00:31:05,000
Moses.
Or the author, I should say

464
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:11,100
refers to Moses as Moses, but
there's actually other books in

465
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:13,600
the scripture.
That.

466
00:31:14,900 --> 00:31:17,500
Are.
It's actually funny, there's

467
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:20,900
actually inconsistencies in the
documentary hypothesis approach.

468
00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:24,100
So, the Book of Jonah, for
example, is also written in the

469
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:27,100
third person.
And so those pushing the

470
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:30,100
documentary offices say, oh,
this is evidence that the Book

471
00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:32,600
of Jonah wasn't actually written
by a guy named Jonah.

472
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,600
There is no Jonah.
This is just a story written by

473
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,700
someone else but then you have
things like the Book of Daniel

474
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:39,800
that's written in first person
and the documentary.

475
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,100
Hypothesis also do not believe
that Daniel was written by

476
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:44,200
Daniel.
They believe it was written much

477
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,200
much later.
Part of that because there's

478
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,000
prophecy and prophecies can't
cannot be written.

479
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,000
And this is, this is actually
part of the reason why the

480
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,400
documentary Apostles exists as
well.

481
00:31:53,408 --> 00:31:55,900
Why they say that things were so
late is because there are

482
00:31:55,908 --> 00:32:00,500
prophecies in the In the Torah
and, you know, for we're going

483
00:32:00,500 --> 00:32:05,500
on a naturalistic. um,
Explanation.

484
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:09,000
Then, you can't have prophecy
written until after the things

485
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:16,000
have occurred. and I understand
it's a way of I understand that,

486
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,800
if someone You know, I think
that's definitely like a valid

487
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,200
and rational point of view and
so, you know, so I understand

488
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,400
that but but they'll say Daniel
was written in the first person

489
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,200
but we know that it wasn't
written by Daniel.

490
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,600
So whoever wrote the Book of
Daniel, they were writing in the

491
00:32:33,608 --> 00:32:36,600
first person to try to try to
trick us into thinking that it

492
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,500
was Danny Bhatt and so that's
how we can know that it wasn't

493
00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:42,700
Daniel.
So the, you know, whether it was

494
00:32:42,708 --> 00:32:45,000
in first person or third person
doesn't actually really matter

495
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,400
to the documentary hypothesis.
Like, it's not, it's not a

496
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,600
factor.
And even, you know, in Modern

497
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,000
Times, books, books are written
by people in the first person.

498
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,100
And in the third person, even
Scholars Scholars riding about

499
00:32:58,100 --> 00:33:01,200
the documentary officers refer
to themselves sometimes in the

500
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,100
third person.
Just because they're, you know,

501
00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:08,200
they're being, they're impartial
observers of the the event,

502
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,600
right?
So, so, this is really, again,

503
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,200
it's kind of like the with the,
with the different name for God,

504
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,600
like, Does this necessarily
imply?

505
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,600
That there's a different author.
The answer is.

506
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,400
No, it does not imply that at
all.

507
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,400
Like it is it is something
interesting to note, but there's

508
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:30,600
so many counterexamples and the
hypothesis just don't care.

509
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,300
They'll take a book that's
written in third person and

510
00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:36,600
claim that it wasn't the author,
you know?

511
00:33:36,608 --> 00:33:41,300
That wasn't the You know, the
original author was not the

512
00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:43,300
person written about or the
other way around too.

513
00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:46,800
If it's in first person that's
evidence the other way that it

514
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,700
wasn't written by that person so
it doesn't matter.

515
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,700
So they're basically just going
by literary style and then

516
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:58,300
drawing their conclusions, only
based on literary style, not

517
00:33:58,300 --> 00:34:02,500
necessarily And yes.
Well, and this is.

518
00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:03,800
This is part of it, though.
Okay.

519
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:09,000
So what the documentary
hypothesis will say is, well, it

520
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,400
is true that This, like, third
person thing is weird.

521
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,000
And these, like, more than one
name for God and more than one

522
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:23,400
name for these places.
And people and These other

523
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,300
anomalies which I'm gonna.
I'm gonna name a couple of them,

524
00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:30,699
I don't know if you can see the
whole You probably can't see

525
00:34:30,699 --> 00:34:32,500
that.
See the whole picture, but I can

526
00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:35,500
see enough it looks like Barry
there.

527
00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:39,600
Yeah, you know, he's giving me a
medal of honor to himself.

528
00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:44,199
It's just because there's that
in Numbers chapter 12, verse 3,

529
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:48,199
it says there's Moses like
writing that Moses was the most

530
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:53,100
Meek of all men.
So anyway, Yeah, so yeah.

531
00:34:53,900 --> 00:34:56,800
Of course, then we have then we
have Genesis happening before.

532
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,800
Moses are.
How could Moses even that?

533
00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:02,200
and you know, from a full
perspective, there's maybe a

534
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,500
couple answers that you could
give one, is that it was all

535
00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:09,200
just, you know, Revelatory, but
I think Mormonism, if you're

536
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,900
more Mormon, actually has a very
nice mechanism for this and that

537
00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:17,200
is that we believe Adam kept
records and handed them down all

538
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,700
the way to Abraham.
Like, we believe in Abraham, it

539
00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:22,400
says Abraham that the records
that were passed started with

540
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,800
Adam came into his hands.
And so, then those right in

541
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,200
passed down and Moses would have
those.

542
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,800
And then Moses is basically
Mormon for the Book of Genesis.

543
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,700
He's just, you know, compiling
and probably abridging Genesis

544
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:39,900
and I don't see any problems
with that.

545
00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:45,100
That's not an issue for me at
all, but A nor is it an issue

546
00:35:45,107 --> 00:35:50,800
for Mormonism?
So, okay, now here's another one

547
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,000
that happens that they point to
is doublets.

548
00:35:55,000 --> 00:36:00,000
So these are things that get
said twice.

549
00:36:01,300 --> 00:36:03,100
Okay.
Are you feel like you're seeing

550
00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:05,500
double their A little bit a
little bit.

551
00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:06,600
Yeah.
Or to look at.

552
00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:10,100
Yeah, yeah.
Look away lady.

553
00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:14,300
Yeah, let's just say it's no
wonder the poor lady still

554
00:36:14,300 --> 00:36:15,600
single.
Yeah that's all.

555
00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:25,000
Oh, I like that pun there. so,
for example, Sarah Abraham's

556
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,600
wife, she gets taken by a king.
How many times?

557
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,700
Twice right twice.
Yeah.

558
00:36:31,700 --> 00:36:38,400
And so, so since these stories
are so similar, then that must

559
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:43,600
mean we're probably means that
these are actually different

560
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,600
authors who had different
Traditions about this and

561
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,500
eventually they got mushed
together and they just decided

562
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:53,400
to keep In instead of just
deciding or merging them into

563
00:36:53,400 --> 00:37:01,800
one story, they just decided to
keep both. um, So there another

564
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,800
big one is Genesis chapter 1 and
Genesis chapter 2.

565
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,700
Let's see if I have.
Yeah.

566
00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:17,200
So Genesis chapter 1 and 2 is a
If you've, if you've ever read

567
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,600
that, you maybe you've noticed
that the creation kind of

568
00:37:19,607 --> 00:37:22,400
repeats, right?
It's doubled but there's

569
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,900
inconsistencies right?
The stories are different and so

570
00:37:26,908 --> 00:37:31,900
that is evidence.
So called evidence that these

571
00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:36,000
were actually written by.
Different groups of people who

572
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,200
must them together now,
actually, the whole different

573
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:46,000
names for God. that that
actually comes up partly from

574
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:53,700
this, the beginning of Genesis
here, because You know, in

575
00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:58,200
Genesis 1.
It's God, God everywhere.

576
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:03,000
And then in Genesis 2, it starts
God and the Lord, and the Lord

577
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,100
God.
Okay.

578
00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:11,000
And so And so, you know, the,
the concealed, again, it's like

579
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,400
a combination, there's different
names.

580
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,400
Plus there's like contradictions
in the story.

581
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,500
So this must mean that, you
know, Moses wasn't the author.

582
00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:22,600
Moses wouldn't have done that
Moses, if it was a single

583
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:23,900
author, he wouldn't have
written.

584
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,700
This contradictory thing, we
can't understand.

585
00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:32,100
Therefore these are separate
sources that got mushed

586
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:33,500
together.
Now, one of the, one of the

587
00:38:33,500 --> 00:38:35,200
logical problems, this is a
logic problem.

588
00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:38,300
That documentary hypothesis have
is.

589
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:42,200
If they believe it is illogical
for.

590
00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:46,200
The single author to put
together, what seems to be

591
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,400
contradictory.
Like for a single author to

592
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,400
write a contradictory document.
Then why is it okay for the

593
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,800
redactor to put together a
contradictory document?

594
00:38:58,100 --> 00:38:59,400
Right.
You know?

595
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:04,000
Right.
So they actually don't solve any

596
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:09,100
problems and actually, but by by
positing this as a hypothesis,

597
00:39:09,100 --> 00:39:13,400
it doesn't actually Do anything
just moves the goalposts to a

598
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:14,900
different person?
Who's not the author.

599
00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:20,500
That way we can, we can still
have a logical conclusion that

600
00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:24,500
there's someone who is okay with
inconsistency, but we don't have

601
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:28,100
to have Revelation, you know, it
should just be naturalistically

602
00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:39,900
put together. so now, if you're
if you're a so, here's just I

603
00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:43,600
think it's like 14 or 1500
creation of Adam and Eve.

604
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,400
Now, I actually have had members
of the church.

605
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,700
I've talked to about this and,
you know, these getting exposed

606
00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:57,100
to the documentary.
Hypothesis ideas made them just

607
00:39:57,100 --> 00:40:00,000
totally reject Genesis, like
they say, I just don't believe

608
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,900
Genesis because because of the
contradictory creation accounts

609
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:10,800
like that, can't be a single
author. and I just and and yet

610
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,300
this person I talked to they
they had a or they claimed to

611
00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:17,300
have a strong Like spiritual
witness.

612
00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:20,600
They were they were sure about
Joseph Smith as a prophet but

613
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,300
they didn't trust any of the old
scriptures.

614
00:40:24,700 --> 00:40:27,500
And I should say the older, the
older description, got the less,

615
00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:31,300
they they trusted them and maybe
there's a little bit of logic to

616
00:40:31,300 --> 00:40:35,500
that but the old stuff is is the
foundation for the new stuff and

617
00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:38,000
not really the other way around
is if you ask me.

618
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,200
So, Now.
Oh, shoot.

619
00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:51,800
Up, let's see if I have. so I
don't, I don't have My.

620
00:40:53,100 --> 00:40:55,500
I just have a regular Bible but
I don't have my LDS one.

621
00:40:56,100 --> 00:40:57,600
So actually, hold on.
Just a second.

622
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,400
Okay.
Some people have like guns

623
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,500
hidden all over their house.
I just got like scriptures

624
00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:14,600
hidden in different places, grab
it at a moment's notice.

625
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,000
Okay.
I need a triple two because I'm

626
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,800
actually compare Genesis to the
book of Moses here.

627
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:33,200
Okay.
Okay.

628
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,900
Now I'm going to ask you, you
know, as you're a Mormon,

629
00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:40,600
Mormon, you're Mormon Renegade!
Do you have an answer for the

630
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,200
contradictory?
Genesis 1 versus Genesis 2.

631
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,600
You know.
I'll be honest with you, these

632
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,300
are my thoughts and my thoughts
alone.

633
00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:55,700
Um, I've heard it said before
that, one could be the cause we

634
00:41:55,700 --> 00:41:58,300
know the that things were
created spiritually before they

635
00:41:58,300 --> 00:42:02,100
were created physically.
And so I've often wondered if

636
00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:04,600
that's not the reason that
there's a dual account in there.

637
00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:09,700
Yeah, that is exactly it and
that is what Joseph Smith says.

638
00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:14,500
And so The crazy thing.
This is crazy to me is and I'm

639
00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:17,800
going to get into this later but
there are So many.

640
00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:23,100
Latter-Day, Saint YouTube
channels, you know that have had

641
00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:25,800
like many many episodes about
this.

642
00:42:26,700 --> 00:42:30,000
And they, they bring this up.
As.

643
00:42:30,900 --> 00:42:35,400
Evidence for believing in the
documentary hypothesis and the

644
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,500
multiple authorship of the
Torah.

645
00:42:38,300 --> 00:42:42,600
And I've never heard any one of
them who are, like faithful ldsp

646
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:47,000
people say, ah, but Joseph Smith
like fix this understanding for

647
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,400
us.
So this is actually not a

648
00:42:48,408 --> 00:42:49,900
contradiction, there's only an
apparent contradiction.

649
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:54,700
Nobody says that we just bring
up the this naturalistic

650
00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:57,700
explanation and then run with
it.

651
00:42:58,700 --> 00:43:02,300
Into directions that are ants
against the restoration, you

652
00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:04,600
know, again, Joe's, you know,
which is fine if you're not a

653
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:10,000
Believer, but I just think it's
crazy for believers to to follow

654
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,300
down that road.
So all right, so Genesis chapter

655
00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:17,000
2 Genesis chapter 1, let me back
up.

656
00:43:17,900 --> 00:43:22,600
Genesis chapter 1 has the You
know, the seven, the seven days

657
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:27,100
of creation and things are in
this order. you know, there's

658
00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:32,600
the the sea in the sky and the
land is separated and the sun,

659
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:37,000
moon and stars are put in and,
you know, and then animals and

660
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:42,100
then humans are put on The
Earth, beasts and humans.

661
00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:51,300
And then you go to chapter 2,
and it basically says, it says

662
00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:56,800
there's like plants and then And
then man and then there was a

663
00:43:56,808 --> 00:44:02,000
garden. put and then and then
man is put into the garden and

664
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,200
so it's a, you know, it's it's
kind of in a different order.

665
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,600
So but this is what this is what
it says.

666
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,200
This is the connecting.
This is the connection right

667
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:15,000
here.
Genesis chapter 2 verse I'm

668
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,700
going to read four and five.
Let me get my scripture can

669
00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:29,300
here.
Let's see here. can you see that

670
00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:33,100
on me or on the Oh, let's see.
Oh, there we go.

671
00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:36,700
I'm still looking at the picture
here that you have the garden

672
00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:38,700
scene.
I don't know if this is gonna

673
00:44:38,700 --> 00:44:40,600
work.
I'm not gonna bother with that.

674
00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:43,400
Okay.
Okay.

675
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:49,600
I'm sorry for the delay here.
Okay.

676
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,600
These are the generations.
These are the generations of the

677
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,500
heavens and the earth.
When they were created in the

678
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:59,000
day that the Lord God made the
earth and the heavens and every

679
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,900
plant of the field before.
It was in the Earth, every herb

680
00:45:01,900 --> 00:45:05,400
of the field before it grew for
the Lord, God had not caused it

681
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,400
to rain upon the Earth.
And there was not a man to till

682
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:15,400
the ground Okay. now in Moses
chapter 3, those verses are

683
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:23,100
expanded just a little bit and
it's says this Uh, Now Behold I

684
00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:25,800
say unto you that these are the
generations of the Heaven and

685
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,500
Earth when they were created in
the day that I the Lord God made

686
00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:32,700
the Heaven and the Earth and
every plant of the field before

687
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:35,800
it was in the earth and every
herb of the field before it grew

688
00:45:35,808 --> 00:45:38,500
for.
I the Lord God created all

689
00:45:38,500 --> 00:45:42,800
things of which I have spoken
spiritually before they were

690
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,800
naturally upon the face of the
Earth.

691
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,300
For, I the Lord.
God had not caused it to rain

692
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:50,600
upon the face of the Earth.
And I the Lord God had created

693
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,200
all the children of men and not
yet a man until the ground for

694
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,200
in heaven created by them.
And there was not yet flesh upon

695
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,000
the Earth, neither in the water,
neither in the air.

696
00:46:02,300 --> 00:46:04,600
So, that's beautiful, that's
beautiful.

697
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,800
And so there's, there's Much Ado
made about this this doublet.

698
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:17,100
And other doublets like Sarah
being taken by a king twice as

699
00:46:17,100 --> 00:46:20,800
though that necessary as though
that necessarily implies that

700
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,500
there were multiple authors that
got smushed together.

701
00:46:22,500 --> 00:46:26,300
I don't think it's the best or
even the I do think that very

702
00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:28,100
often the documentary had
hypotheses.

703
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,000
A take.
What seems to be something

704
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,400
that's fairly simple to
understand and make it difficult

705
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,400
to understand?
So, Interesting.

706
00:46:41,500 --> 00:46:45,100
So, here's another one.
This is this is not doublets but

707
00:46:45,107 --> 00:46:48,600
these are contradictions.
So I'm going to read, so this

708
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,800
has to do with Moses and
zipporah.

709
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,700
You've seen The Prince of Egypt
Oh yeah.

710
00:46:54,500 --> 00:46:58,300
Yep, it was one of my kids.
Favorite movies growing up.

711
00:46:58,300 --> 00:47:02,600
I think we wore out at least two
VHS tapes of that bad boy.

712
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,600
Yeah, that's me.
And I just blew a bunch of

713
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:07,900
Millennials.
Mine go Google.

714
00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:12,300
What VHS?
Magnetic storage.

715
00:47:13,100 --> 00:47:16,400
It's right, right?
Power of magnets, okay.

716
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:24,200
So, Exodus chapter 4 verse?
20 says, And Moses took his wife

717
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:29,000
and his sons and set them upon
an ass, and he returned to the

718
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,700
land of Egypt.
And Moses took the rod of God in

719
00:47:32,700 --> 00:47:36,500
his hand, okay?
So Moses takes Zapora and his

720
00:47:36,500 --> 00:47:41,600
sons to Egypt.
Well, you go to Exodus chapter

721
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:47,600
18 though.
A verse 20.

722
00:47:52,200 --> 00:48:04,300
Sorry, 18 verse 2.
And it says, then Jethro.

723
00:48:05,100 --> 00:48:10,700
Moses's, father-in-law took
Zapora and her two sons.

724
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:16,900
Okay and came with his sons and
his wife unto Moses in the

725
00:48:16,900 --> 00:48:18,500
wilderness.
So they were in the wilderness,

726
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:21,400
right?
They had left Egypt and then

727
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:26,700
Jethro brings Aurora and his
son's two, Moses like just right

728
00:48:26,700 --> 00:48:29,400
after they had left Egypt.
So this is a contradiction,

729
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,800
right?
Because Earlier in Exodus, it

730
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,900
said Moses took them to Egypt
with him.

731
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,400
And then later, it says Jethro
is bringing them.

732
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:48,300
And so, but the thing is that
The second half of verse 2,

733
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:52,200
which I didn't read.
Says then Jeffrey Moses, his

734
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,800
father-in-law took support,
Moses wife after he had sent her

735
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,500
back.
And her two sons.

736
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,000
And her two sons and brought
them to Moses.

737
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:07,000
Okay?
So like the text just clearly

738
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:12,900
says, At least clear to me I'm
not wise enough I'm not I'm not

739
00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:17,600
a scholar biblical scholar but
says Moses took them sent them

740
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,400
back and then you know because
things were getting spicy

741
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:25,600
probably in Egypt with all the
plagues and stuff and dangerous

742
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,100
business and then after they
after they leave, then Jethro

743
00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:31,200
brings them back.
Like, I don't understand the

744
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,800
difficulty there, but what the,
the documentary hypothesis will

745
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,800
say is no, no, that's definitely
a contradiction.

746
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,800
But the little part there about
that, Moses sent them away.

747
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,300
That's like, something that was
added later by another author.

748
00:49:46,300 --> 00:49:52,300
The redactor to try to harmonize
the other accounts. and so,

749
00:49:52,300 --> 00:49:55,100
there's actually a lot of things
that the documentary hypothesis

750
00:49:55,100 --> 00:50:00,500
say are, Contradictions, but
they are actually made into

751
00:50:00,500 --> 00:50:03,500
contradictions in order to
support the hypothesis.

752
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,600
Is that?
No, that makes sense.

753
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,400
So I I see what's going on.
Yeah.

754
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,500
Cuz cuz the context is there,
right?

755
00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:16,700
He sends him back.
And then Jethro.

756
00:50:17,500 --> 00:50:22,500
Was like, no, you're we're all
going back to with Moses, right?

757
00:50:22,500 --> 00:50:26,800
We're going back to Egypt.
Um, and and that was my first

758
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,800
thought too.
Was well, I wouldn't want my

759
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,200
wife and kids there, right?
Especially if you know these

760
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,000
plagues you're going to ramp up,
To include some pretty nasty

761
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,600
things down the road.
You wouldn't want your wife and

762
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,600
kid exposed to that, right?
Yeah.

763
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,600
Necessarily I can think of that,
right?

764
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,700
At the same time You know, we
know that that Jethro is

765
00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:52,200
probably in some sort of senior
role to Moses write being the

766
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,600
guy who most likely gave Moses
the priesthood Mormon.

767
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,400
Dave, what's that?
You're such a Mormon.

768
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,500
Well yeah, I know my bad.
My my bad.

769
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:08,500
Um, yeah, no.
I see what you're saying there.

770
00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:10,300
They, they kind of make
problems.

771
00:51:11,100 --> 00:51:13,700
So they can supply the answer,
there is what you're, what

772
00:51:13,700 --> 00:51:17,100
you're kind of getting at.
Yeah and to me, you've heard of

773
00:51:17,100 --> 00:51:20,000
Occam's razor.
Yep the simplest answer is

774
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,100
usually the correct answer.
Yes.

775
00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:26,300
But in this case and in many of
these cases, the simplest answer

776
00:51:26,300 --> 00:51:30,600
is The simplest answer is that
this was written by Moses.

777
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,000
That he was a real person and
and it was written with, you

778
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:41,000
know, by divine inspiration.
But as a scholarly academic

779
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,300
person.
That is actually a more

780
00:51:44,300 --> 00:51:48,800
complicated hypothesis because
it involves God, like we need,

781
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,900
we need to have a naturalistic
explanation that does not invoke

782
00:51:52,900 --> 00:51:55,400
the supernatural.
Gotcha.

783
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,800
Um, otherwise, you know, you
don't, you don't get tenure and

784
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,900
stuff like that, you know?
Correct.

785
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,100
The important stuff?
Well, yeah, and that is

786
00:52:04,100 --> 00:52:06,000
important.
So, it's hard.

787
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,300
It's hard to be a gender study
Professor.

788
00:52:09,300 --> 00:52:11,800
If you're constantly worried
about your job, I'm just saying.

789
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,900
Alright?
So yeah, I mean, hey, So so

790
00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:20,300
another so this brings me to the
next you know motivation and

791
00:52:20,300 --> 00:52:23,300
that is that is naturalism.
It is to have a naturalistic

792
00:52:23,300 --> 00:52:27,100
explanation.
You know, this is just the the

793
00:52:27,100 --> 00:52:31,100
first paragraph from the
Wikipedia article about it and I

794
00:52:31,100 --> 00:52:34,200
think it sums it up, nicely the
Torah or pentateuch gets

795
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:35,600
collectively.
The first five books of the

796
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,500
Bible Genesis Exodus Leviticus
Numbers and Deuteronomy.

797
00:52:38,500 --> 00:52:41,600
According to tradition, they
were dictated by God to Moses,

798
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,400
but when modern critical
scholarship, began to be applied

799
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,600
to the Bible, it was discovered
that the pentateuch was not the

800
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,400
unified text.
One would expect from a single

801
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,400
author because of all these
things.

802
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,200
We have already said, like,
there's contradictions and

803
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:01,000
there's doublets, right?
There's anomalies and different

804
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,100
names for people in places,
Okay?

805
00:53:03,100 --> 00:53:07,700
So, Is not the unified text that
you would expect from a single

806
00:53:07,700 --> 00:53:09,900
author as a result.
The Mosaic authorship of the

807
00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:15,100
Torah has been largely rejected
by Leading Scholars by the 17th

808
00:53:15,100 --> 00:53:17,100
century with many modern
Scholars viewing, it as a

809
00:53:17,107 --> 00:53:19,600
product of a long evolutionary
process.

810
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:26,200
So, there you go.
I will say there's one one

811
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,400
final.
Motivation for this and this is

812
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,100
a religious Marxism.
So and this is this was touched

813
00:53:33,100 --> 00:53:40,000
upon by Val housing and it
certainly is in Vogue among Of

814
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,800
those who are espoused.
Marxist ideologies that the

815
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,500
Bible is actually just the
result of class struggles

816
00:53:46,500 --> 00:53:48,500
between privileged and oppressed
classes.

817
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,700
And that is so fascinating that
you bring that up right now.

818
00:53:54,700 --> 00:54:01,600
I was just in.
Plymouth, Massachusetts here

819
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,300
just last week.
And I was talking to a

820
00:54:05,300 --> 00:54:08,900
gentleman.
Who is a devout Evangelical?

821
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:16,900
and one of the things he had
said, was that, A lot of the

822
00:54:16,908 --> 00:54:19,200
churches and you could see the
signs as you walked around,

823
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,500
right?
That used code words like we

824
00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:27,000
fight for justice, we have for
Equity, those sorts of things.

825
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,300
Those are kind of tells, right?
That?

826
00:54:29,300 --> 00:54:31,200
Hey, that's creeping into your
theology.

827
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:38,800
Now does does Vilhelm ever, ever
give a nod like by name to Mark,

828
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:45,900
sissom know, he proceeds marks.
Okay, so no but the, you know,

829
00:54:45,908 --> 00:54:48,700
but it's the but the idea is
there and has been, you know,

830
00:54:48,707 --> 00:54:56,100
picked up this is yeah, this is
the religious prong of Marxism.

831
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,200
Right?
So I know they're sort of thing.

832
00:54:59,207 --> 00:55:01,300
Yeah.
And there are people.

833
00:55:01,300 --> 00:55:06,300
No doubt a good people.
You know, who have, who believe?

834
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:11,300
the documentary hypothesis, or
at least in part who are not

835
00:55:11,300 --> 00:55:18,800
marxists, you know, but it's
it's kind of those, one of those

836
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:23,600
things, like, it's like Like bad
fruit.

837
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,200
Yeah.
Like I'm just gonna eat a little

838
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,000
bit of the forbidden fruit, you
know.

839
00:55:28,008 --> 00:55:30,700
Right.
And just gonna nibble on the

840
00:55:30,707 --> 00:55:35,700
Forbidden tree and not gulp it
down wholeheartedly, like I am

841
00:55:35,700 --> 00:55:37,200
afraid, you're going to get the
same results.

842
00:55:38,500 --> 00:55:43,300
Right.
Yeah. so, Okay.

843
00:55:43,300 --> 00:55:47,500
Oh he's peeking out there.
Oh yes.

844
00:55:47,500 --> 00:55:49,700
Yes.
That's him saying.

845
00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:51,500
He bought my book yet.
That's right.

846
00:55:51,500 --> 00:55:54,300
I threw this together.
Just today.

847
00:55:54,300 --> 00:55:58,100
This slide show and I did not
get to obviously didn't get, oh,

848
00:55:58,100 --> 00:56:01,300
it's good for like anything yet
but there's Richard Elliott

849
00:56:01,300 --> 00:56:04,600
Friedman, the man himself
peeking out from the book.

850
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,100
He wrote it.
Now it's funny that you

851
00:56:06,100 --> 00:56:09,100
mentioned all these kind of
progressive churches.

852
00:56:09,100 --> 00:56:11,800
Like this is the this is the
dog.

853
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,400
This is the doctrine of
progressive Christianity.

854
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,800
This is what they espoused and
Progressive Judaism as well.

855
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:26,300
So I'm actually going to read
and Richard Elliot with his book

856
00:56:26,300 --> 00:56:29,300
here, which was written in the
80s.

857
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:31,600
I want to say, let me just get
my copy here.

858
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:37,000
Yeah, 1987 is when it came out.
So before before this, but this,

859
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:43,100
this book came out.
This kind of was a, a more

860
00:56:43,100 --> 00:56:45,000
academic.
Phenomenon.

861
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,900
It was kind of contained, so to
speak.

862
00:56:47,700 --> 00:56:51,700
To the universities all though,
I'm sure that it had started to

863
00:56:51,700 --> 00:56:56,400
bleed into the seminaries. but
this book kind of put it out for

864
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:01,400
public consumption and really
Accelerated, the the rate of

865
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,000
kind of acceptance of these
ideas?

866
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,700
Yeah.
So This is a, this is another

867
00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:11,100
book.
Called who really wrote the

868
00:57:11,100 --> 00:57:13,100
Bible.
So it's kind of a response here

869
00:57:13,100 --> 00:57:15,700
but you know, they start off
with this.

870
00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:19,500
Chapter one is called the new
secular Bible.

871
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:21,600
And they have a little bit of
History.

872
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,300
It's pretty interesting on the
Jewish holiday of Passover.

873
00:57:24,300 --> 00:57:29,300
In 2001, the rabbi of Sinai
Temple in Los Angeles, David

874
00:57:29,300 --> 00:57:33,600
wolpe, David sermon.
He told his congregants that The

875
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,900
Exodus from Egypt that they were
commemorating.

876
00:57:35,900 --> 00:57:39,800
Most likely, never occurred at
least not in the way described

877
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,700
by the Bible.
One can only imagine the unease

878
00:57:42,700 --> 00:57:45,600
experienced by Rabbi Wolf's
congregants at this revelation,

879
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,100
No Jewish holiday requires
greater physical preparation and

880
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:52,600
exertion getting rid of all
products with any kind of

881
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,900
leavening, substituting special,
holiday dishes and utensils for

882
00:57:55,900 --> 00:57:59,700
regular tableware thoroughly,
cleaning, one's home, cars, and

883
00:57:59,700 --> 00:58:02,500
other properties appointing an
agent to sell once bread and

884
00:58:02,500 --> 00:58:06,200
leavened products Etc.
And this all this effort and

885
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,000
why?
Because some ancient Wise Guys

886
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,800
sitting in a smoke-filled cave
made up some stories and had the

887
00:58:12,808 --> 00:58:16,000
hookah to embellish them with a
not insignificant number of

888
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:21,100
mandated religious rituals.
Couldn't Rabbi wolf have made

889
00:58:21,100 --> 00:58:23,400
this announcement before.
All the holiday work began.

890
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,600
Just two years later, diagonally
across the country.

891
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:31,400
At Saint, Paul's Church in
Concord New Hampshire local.

892
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,300
Episcopal church leaders, chose
Reverend V.

893
00:58:34,300 --> 00:58:36,700
Gene, Robinson to be the first
openly gay Bishop.

894
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,000
Whatever personal warmth one may
feel for homosexual friends and

895
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,500
or acquaintances most people's
vision of a bishop or any

896
00:58:44,500 --> 00:58:49,500
clergyman for that matter would
tend to exclude non-state a

897
00:58:49,500 --> 00:58:52,900
non-game man as a religious role
model. these two little

898
00:58:52,900 --> 00:58:56,200
vignettes The Exodus denying
Rabbi and the Leviticus denying

899
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,700
priest may seem unrelated, but
both point to a society, whose

900
00:58:59,700 --> 00:59:03,800
core religious values are up for
grabs Even though both incidents

901
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,600
promote provoked, a loud outcry
from religious traditionalists.

902
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:11,500
Yet years later, both men still
have their jobs and arguably,

903
00:59:11,500 --> 00:59:15,000
arguably have greater influence
and bigger platforms.

904
00:59:16,700 --> 00:59:21,000
So anyway goes on to say how how
have we gotten here and really

905
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,200
it's because the Bible has lost
its Authority and a lot of it

906
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,200
has to do with these ideas, put
forward by the documentary

907
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,600
hypothesis.
And this book by this man

908
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,700
Richard Elliott who kind of put
it out there and really

909
00:59:33,700 --> 00:59:36,700
accelerated the acceptance of
these ideas.

910
00:59:36,700 --> 00:59:43,800
So I think the fruit is bad and
you know, I am reminded of

911
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:48,500
moroni's words, you know because
again you can say I'll just have

912
00:59:48,500 --> 00:59:51,600
a nibble of this.
But I says touch not the evil

913
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,900
gift, you know, just put away.
I think the restoration has

914
00:59:54,900 --> 00:59:59,800
better answers for the questions
that the documentary hypothesis.

915
01:00:01,100 --> 01:00:08,300
And those Rays.
So, so, you know, that's that's

916
01:00:08,300 --> 01:00:15,900
so interesting because there
there's a push now within all

917
01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:21,000
over religion to have like a I
don't know like Ace.

918
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,600
They call it a social, whatever.
Right.

919
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,700
So you'd be a social Catholic or
you'd be a social Mormon, or a

920
01:00:28,700 --> 01:00:32,700
social Baptist, which is this
idea that, okay, none of the

921
01:00:32,707 --> 01:00:37,400
stories in the Bible are
necessarily true, but they teach

922
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,100
good stories and so it's good to
go.

923
01:00:39,100 --> 01:00:42,000
Listen to it now.
Look, maybe just, it's just

924
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,900
because I'm lazy.
But like, if the stuff isn't

925
01:00:44,900 --> 01:00:47,000
true, I got no time for it,
right?

926
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,000
There's, there's other things
that I could do that are far

927
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,100
less taxing than seeing on a
podcast talking about the

928
01:00:54,100 --> 01:00:58,800
documentary hypothesis, right?
So this thing about well it's

929
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,800
not really true but it teaches a
good story.

930
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,600
Well, I can watch Old Yeller and
get that right.

931
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,400
Yeah, it has to be true or
realistically.

932
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:13,000
It's got no value to me.
Yeah, yeah, I would say so. so,

933
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:19,100
the next You know, person or
kind of responsible for the

934
01:01:19,100 --> 01:01:22,400
introduction of these ideas and
kind of Richard Freedman, he's

935
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,700
kind of responsible for the
introduction to the world.

936
01:01:24,700 --> 01:01:28,700
But among Mormons, this is the
woman right here.

937
01:01:28,700 --> 01:01:30,800
Margaret Barker, I'm sure you've
heard of her.

938
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,400
Yep, she's a fairly thought
about the temple, right?

939
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:35,900
Yeah.
Yeah.

940
01:01:35,900 --> 01:01:39,900
She's fairly prolific author.
This is just like a collection

941
01:01:39,900 --> 01:01:45,600
of her books here, and she's
gained a lot of popularity among

942
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,300
Mormons Mormons of all
varieties.

943
01:01:48,300 --> 01:01:55,900
Actually, and I should say
Mormons of the Brigham, might

944
01:01:55,900 --> 01:02:00,700
variety, really?
Anyone any branch of Mormonism

945
01:02:00,700 --> 01:02:04,100
that holds onto some idea of
heavenly mother?

946
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:10,400
Okay. so and this is the reason
why she is very popular because

947
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:14,100
she does, she talks about
heavenly mother and so that's

948
01:02:14,100 --> 01:02:19,400
obviously very appealing to
Mormons and the other I think

949
01:02:19,408 --> 01:02:24,800
the reason why Margaret Barker
is so, Alluring to Latter-day

950
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:29,800
Saints is because she just talks
freely about how corrupt the

951
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:34,400
Bible is.
He just accepts this class

952
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:39,300
struggle idea that we've talked
about and how the that there

953
01:02:39,300 --> 01:02:45,600
was, you know, Wicked people in
charge who won out and they had

954
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,500
certain ideas about how things
should be and they suppress.

955
01:02:49,300 --> 01:02:53,700
Some ideas and one of those is
the the mother in heaven idea.

956
01:02:53,700 --> 01:02:56,800
And so there's kind of some
resonance with Latter-Day Saints

957
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:01,900
because you know, we have in our
8th Article of Faith that we

958
01:03:01,900 --> 01:03:04,500
believe the Bible as far as it
is translated correctly.

959
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,800
And so here's, here's this
Christian woman, she's a

960
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:16,000
Methodist, Methodist minister
But she's she's preaching these

961
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:17,700
things.
So that's kind of unusual.

962
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,900
And we also write, as far as
translated correctly, we all

963
01:03:21,908 --> 01:03:25,400
know have this notion in the
Book of Mormon that plane quote

964
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,400
plain and precious things are
going to be removed from the

965
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,600
Bible, like this is one of the
Prophecies of the Book of

966
01:03:30,607 --> 01:03:33,100
Mormon.
And so people are looking at

967
01:03:33,100 --> 01:03:36,500
Margaret Barker as maybe filling
in those plain and precious

968
01:03:36,500 --> 01:03:40,800
things that the Book of Mormon
says that the Bible is going to

969
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:45,800
lose.
Now, I do think that people who

970
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,400
have latched on to Margaret
marker and the documentary.

971
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:54,800
Hypothesis have actually gone
way way too far in that

972
01:03:54,800 --> 01:04:00,000
direction.
And I think gone to a point that

973
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:05,800
Joseph and Brigham and John
would never have gone.

974
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:10,200
Like right, you know, Joseph
loved the Bible.

975
01:04:12,100 --> 01:04:13,700
Okay?
And you know I love the Bible

976
01:04:13,700 --> 01:04:15,000
too.
So it actually kind of hurts

977
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:20,700
when I hear people.
Like really denigrating it and I

978
01:04:20,700 --> 01:04:22,200
actually have a bunch of video
clips.

979
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:27,900
I'm going to show later on but
this is from the elders.

980
01:04:29,100 --> 01:04:30,500
Journal.
Is that right?

981
01:04:30,500 --> 01:04:36,000
Let's see.
Where is it?

982
01:04:36,500 --> 01:04:41,600
See, yes, the elders.
General So this kind of just

983
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,700
questions and answers, but
Joseph said, this is a

984
01:04:44,700 --> 01:04:47,500
paraphrase, but you know, he one
time wrote, this is in the times

985
01:04:47,500 --> 01:04:50,600
and Seasons says, of the Bible,
those who read it most will love

986
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,500
it best.
So here you go.

987
01:04:53,500 --> 01:04:55,600
The first question here.
Do you believe the Bible

988
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,600
Joseph's answer if we do?
We are the only people under

989
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,200
Heaven that does for there are
none other religious sects of

990
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,600
the day that do Question two.
Wherein do you differ from other

991
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,600
sex answer?
Because we believe the Bible and

992
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,400
all other sex profess to believe
their interpretations of the

993
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:15,600
Bible and their creeds.
So pretty spicy take their

994
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,600
that's usually thrown that's
usually thrown the other

995
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:20,100
direction these days.
Right?

996
01:05:20,100 --> 01:05:24,800
Christians accuse us of Putting
the Bible down and not believing

997
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:28,400
it as as much as they do.
But Joseph was saying, no, we

998
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:33,400
believe the Bible more than the
other Christians do but Sadly.

999
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,900
I think that kind of modern
critique of Mormonism.

1000
01:05:36,900 --> 01:05:40,600
From Christians is have some
truth to it that we kind of do.

1001
01:05:42,900 --> 01:05:46,500
Denigrate to the Bible in many
ways and it's sad to me.

1002
01:05:46,500 --> 01:05:52,400
So the first time that I
Probably remember and this is an

1003
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,600
interesting little side piece
here too.

1004
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:56,400
The first time, I remember
hearing about the documentary

1005
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:00,700
Apostles, just was from Denver
Snuffer. and this, this is

1006
01:06:00,700 --> 01:06:06,700
definitely the idea that he
pushes And those who, you know,

1007
01:06:06,707 --> 01:06:10,300
follow his lead or, you know,
believe in his inspiration.

1008
01:06:10,300 --> 01:06:14,900
They they believe this too for
the most part, you know.

1009
01:06:14,908 --> 01:06:22,000
And it's it's a It actually fits
in with a lot of their other

1010
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:26,200
narratives about the Restoration
in a very kind of beautiful way,

1011
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,000
and that is that, you know, they
believe.

1012
01:06:29,900 --> 01:06:33,900
Joseph restored some things, but
then after Joseph's death There

1013
01:06:33,900 --> 01:06:37,300
Was, You Know, Wicked people who
took control of things and

1014
01:06:37,300 --> 01:06:42,100
edited and corrupted things to
the point where it's like

1015
01:06:42,107 --> 01:06:46,100
corrupted, you know, Really
beyond beyond being able to

1016
01:06:46,100 --> 01:06:49,100
trust the documents and things
that came out because of the,

1017
01:06:49,100 --> 01:06:51,600
the wicked priest that followed
on later.

1018
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:55,400
And so, you know, these
documentary hypothesis and

1019
01:06:55,400 --> 01:07:00,800
deuteronomist ideas are really
popular among Denver Snuffer,

1020
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:06,800
followers, for that reason.
Okay.

1021
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:13,400
Let's see.
Okay so In the LG.

1022
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:18,200
Yeah, let me push back here just
a little bit on this, please,

1023
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:22,400
because there is baked into
Mormonism through.

1024
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,500
Joseph's own own story.
Right?

1025
01:07:25,500 --> 01:07:29,300
That the Bible isn't 100%
trustworthy, right?

1026
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,300
Yes.
Well, we I have to be.

1027
01:07:33,300 --> 01:07:39,200
You have to be Yes, yes and no
continue and then I'll respond.

1028
01:07:39,900 --> 01:07:45,500
well, my my point in this is
that To the to the point that

1029
01:07:45,500 --> 01:07:47,400
Joseph goes through much of the
Bible.

1030
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:51,500
If not all the Bible, I Googled
it earlier and it said he did

1031
01:07:51,500 --> 01:07:54,100
make it all the way through the
Bible, but I can't back that up.

1032
01:07:54,100 --> 01:07:58,600
Three ways.
So I'm going to say maybe but

1033
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:02,600
nonetheless, he did, he did go
through and edit a few things

1034
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:04,900
and some of those that are
pretty significant, right?

1035
01:08:04,900 --> 01:08:09,100
I mean they're not just Moving
commas around here.

1036
01:08:09,100 --> 01:08:14,100
They're they're the shifts.
The idea somewhat Yeah, yeah,

1037
01:08:14,100 --> 01:08:20,000
yes and no.
So okay. now, here's This is

1038
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,700
this is my take on the the
Joseph Smith translation.

1039
01:08:22,700 --> 01:08:28,600
So a lot of a lot of folks
believe that the Joseph Smith

1040
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:35,600
translation is Is restoring some
kind of ancient version of the

1041
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:39,500
documents.
Like the original. version of

1042
01:08:40,500 --> 01:08:43,899
The Book of Matthew or whatever.
Or Genesis.

1043
01:08:47,300 --> 01:08:52,000
The, the problem is that there's
not really manuscript evidence

1044
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:58,100
for that. now that's not now I'm
not saying that Joseph Smith

1045
01:08:58,100 --> 01:09:01,600
translation was not without
Revelation, but what I am saying

1046
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:06,899
is that when the Book of Mormon
talks about praying plain and

1047
01:09:06,899 --> 01:09:12,600
precious things being removed,
my The way that I interpret that

1048
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:16,100
is that it is interpretations,
that's kind of funny way to say

1049
01:09:16,100 --> 01:09:19,800
it.
I think most most of the the

1050
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,800
plain and precious things have
been the way that we understand

1051
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,399
the scriptures and Joseph
restored, the way that we

1052
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:28,600
understand and he did add a
bunch of things too.

1053
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:33,600
Clarifications and expansions on
stories.

1054
01:09:34,500 --> 01:09:37,800
And there is actually ancient
tradition of doing this.

1055
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:41,600
Have you heard of the targums or
the target meme?

1056
01:09:42,500 --> 01:09:49,399
oh, so, there's actually quite a
few of these different Target.

1057
01:09:49,399 --> 01:09:52,300
Meme, Target him, is an Aramaic
word.

1058
01:09:52,300 --> 01:09:56,300
That means Translation.
But it also means

1059
01:09:56,300 --> 01:10:00,000
interpretation.
The word Target means is means

1060
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,100
both of those things.
So you could say.

1061
01:10:02,100 --> 01:10:08,700
And so there was a number of
ancient Jewish authors because

1062
01:10:08,700 --> 01:10:14,500
of the Babylonian captivity. the
Jewish people, the people from

1063
01:10:14,500 --> 01:10:19,300
the southern Kingdom of Judah,
they began speaking Aramaic and

1064
01:10:19,300 --> 01:10:24,600
kind of lost Hebrew.
At least in like everyday

1065
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:28,200
speech.
And so these targets were

1066
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:32,200
written in Aramaic. but what
they did is they they actually

1067
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:38,800
expanded the, the Hebrew text
and added additional stories and

1068
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:44,600
additional dialogue and
explanations for why things are

1069
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:46,100
the way that they are in the
Hebrew?

1070
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:51,400
And this is like this is in my
and they don't they don't claim

1071
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:55,100
to be correcting the Hebrew.
They're just adding

1072
01:10:55,100 --> 01:10:59,600
clarifications and expansions
and in my view, Joseph Smith is

1073
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,100
actually following this ancient
tradition and so a lot of times

1074
01:11:03,100 --> 01:11:06,100
when I talk about the Joseph,
the Joseph Smith translation or

1075
01:11:06,100 --> 01:11:09,900
the jst, I'll just kind of
jokingly but seriously call it

1076
01:11:09,900 --> 01:11:14,900
the Joseph Smith Target Because
it is actually is doing exactly.

1077
01:11:14,900 --> 01:11:19,700
The same thing that these
ancient targum writers did So

1078
01:11:19,700 --> 01:11:23,800
they would sew in synagogues,
they would read in Hebrew, but a

1079
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:25,500
lot of people didn't understand
Hebrew anymore.

1080
01:11:25,500 --> 01:11:28,200
And so then they would they
would follow it up by reading

1081
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,800
the, in the Aramaic, in the
targum and which would have the

1082
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:35,600
same content.
But with some Additions and

1083
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:40,900
explanations.
So anyways, as far as, as far as

1084
01:11:40,907 --> 01:11:44,900
Corruption of the text we'll get
into.

1085
01:11:44,900 --> 01:11:47,000
Can I save this?
We'll get into this a little bit

1086
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:49,500
later.
Yeah, but sorry.

1087
01:11:49,500 --> 01:11:54,100
But it is, it is a valid point
and I will also say that I am

1088
01:11:54,100 --> 01:11:58,300
certainly not saying that the
the Bible, or any Scripture is

1089
01:11:58,300 --> 01:12:06,700
inherent. but I don't go so far
as to say, that there was no

1090
01:12:06,700 --> 01:12:12,100
such person as Moses, which that
is what the scholars say or

1091
01:12:12,100 --> 01:12:15,300
that, nor that Isaiah was
written by three different

1092
01:12:15,300 --> 01:12:19,800
people.
And that the Torah, the five

1093
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:24,100
books of Moses didn't even exist
until after Lehi left Jerusalem.

1094
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:29,600
And and like I said, not
everybody believes these things

1095
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:31,500
who believes in the documentary
hypothesis.

1096
01:12:31,500 --> 01:12:33,600
But that is the, that is the
majority view.

1097
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,100
That is what the scholars who
put this forward, that is what

1098
01:12:36,100 --> 01:12:39,400
they are saying.
And so anyone who is saying

1099
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:42,200
something different to try to
bolster their, faith is actually

1100
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:45,200
rejecting parts of the
documentary hypothesis because

1101
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:49,100
it's too much to swallow.
Actually, okay, no, that makes

1102
01:12:49,108 --> 01:12:55,800
sense. okay, so here's In the,
in the LDS world, I got Denver

1103
01:12:55,800 --> 01:13:00,300
Snuffer there.
We got Ward radio.

1104
01:13:00,300 --> 01:13:02,300
You probably heard of some of
these things stick of Joseph

1105
01:13:02,300 --> 01:13:07,300
podcast quick shows and media.
Join a Barnes Latter-Day Chad.

1106
01:13:09,300 --> 01:13:11,600
So, and there's there's others
as well.

1107
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:18,600
But it's it's quite um, quite
pervasive actually And like I

1108
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,500
said, it's it is affecting
people's testimony.

1109
01:13:21,500 --> 01:13:24,400
So amazingly I knew a man no
man.

1110
01:13:25,300 --> 01:13:31,500
LDS gentleman, brother.
He has a testimony of the Book

1111
01:13:31,500 --> 01:13:36,400
of Mormon. but because of the
documentary, hypothesis ideas,

1112
01:13:37,300 --> 01:13:41,400
He actually rejects The Exodus
like that Rabbi.

1113
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:45,000
I was talking about.
And rejects the creation story.

1114
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,200
And, you know, I talked about
that as well.

1115
01:13:47,208 --> 01:13:51,400
And so, when, when in the Book
of Mormon Nephi is talking

1116
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:55,600
about, Adam and Eve and talking
about Moses.

1117
01:13:56,700 --> 01:14:00,700
He, he just thinks that Nephi is
not telling the truth.

1118
01:14:01,500 --> 01:14:05,100
He doesn't believe Nephi is
lying, but he says, Nephi

1119
01:14:05,100 --> 01:14:10,500
inherited these false Traditions
that had were put in place at

1120
01:14:10,500 --> 01:14:14,800
about the time when he was alive
and just is passing along these

1121
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,200
falsehoods that are now in the
Book of Mormon.

1122
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:19,700
So, how about that first by CT
wrestling?

1123
01:14:21,100 --> 01:14:25,300
Oh, so that's that's dicey,
right?

1124
01:14:25,300 --> 01:14:32,600
I mean I don't, I don't really
understand that that kind of

1125
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:37,400
like trying to hold that.
It seems rather Luke Warren to

1126
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:41,900
quote Revelation, like I would
say like be hot or cold, you

1127
01:14:41,900 --> 01:14:45,800
know?
Well, when you start getting

1128
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:49,500
into Nephi line, that's, that's
kind of a different thing,

1129
01:14:49,500 --> 01:14:54,600
right?
I mean, Yeah, well, I mean the

1130
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:59,800
the documentary hypothesis if
taken at its like it's it's it's

1131
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:03,800
scholarly consensus.
It does invalidate, The Book of

1132
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,500
Mormon on many points.
Actually, like, if you believe

1133
01:15:06,500 --> 01:15:09,700
the documentary Apostles, I
actually believe the Book of

1134
01:15:09,700 --> 01:15:13,500
Mormon has better evidence for
it that actually invalidates the

1135
01:15:13,500 --> 01:15:17,600
documentary hypothesis but yeah,
you know, so you could, you

1136
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,300
know, kind of pick which way
you're going to go on that, but

1137
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,100
I have actually been in a
meeting.

1138
01:15:22,900 --> 01:15:25,500
To this is just these are just
kind of fruits and listing

1139
01:15:25,500 --> 01:15:28,600
fruits of this of this teaching
that's is become quite popular.

1140
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,600
I was in a meeting and this
topic came up.

1141
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:36,000
It was discussed, I was mostly
just listening but one of the

1142
01:15:36,008 --> 01:15:39,600
ladies in the audience started
talking about how when the

1143
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:40,800
scriptures were talking about
bail.

1144
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:45,000
All that.
That's actually just Jesus.

1145
01:15:46,100 --> 01:15:50,500
And like Baal was originally
like, is how Jesus was worshiped

1146
01:15:50,500 --> 01:15:55,600
in the, in ancient times had I
was I was shocked.

1147
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,200
I don't even know how to, I
mean, I didn't respond.

1148
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:03,000
I was just listening, but it was
wild but this, you know, those

1149
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,500
are those are the ideas that are
in the water here because he

1150
01:16:06,500 --> 01:16:08,600
goes, what we have is the Bible
is actually just like a

1151
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:12,300
syncretism of all these
different polytheistic ideas put

1152
01:16:12,300 --> 01:16:14,800
together and some of the Gods
went out and some of them

1153
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,400
didn't, but really there the
same Gods sometimes or whatever.

1154
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:22,900
And so, That is so dangerous.
Because look, I know that ball

1155
01:16:22,900 --> 01:16:26,500
means Lord.
And yeah, whatever Semitic

1156
01:16:26,500 --> 01:16:29,100
language it was in.
Yeah, but that's different.

1157
01:16:29,100 --> 01:16:31,500
Trust me.
That's a different Lord than the

1158
01:16:31,500 --> 01:16:37,100
one that is worshiped by.
By the followers of Abraham,

1159
01:16:37,100 --> 01:16:40,400
Isaac, and Jacob, right?
Um, that is a different God

1160
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,400
than, than their God.
Well.

1161
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:47,100
If you're coming at it from a
perspective that would be the

1162
01:16:47,100 --> 01:16:50,200
the normal thing to think.
But I was there in the meeting

1163
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:52,100
where this woman and others,
too.

1164
01:16:52,100 --> 01:16:55,700
They were talking about it and
they're like, yeah, this is Like

1165
01:16:55,700 --> 01:16:59,600
we can learn some things about
Jesus by studying what the

1166
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:00,700
scriptures say about bail, you
know.

1167
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:08,900
Well Josh let's talk this out
right for just a second right?

1168
01:17:08,900 --> 01:17:11,300
If we're going to talk about
fruits of this, right?

1169
01:17:11,300 --> 01:17:14,600
And if people are going to
associate the god of Abraham,

1170
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:20,400
Isaac, and Jacob with ball, Then
it's not out of the realm of

1171
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:24,600
possibility, you know, that some
really nasty things like, well,

1172
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:29,200
then, you know, if it just
means, Lord, you know, then it's

1173
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:33,100
maybe, you know, abortion is
okay, right?

1174
01:17:33,100 --> 01:17:37,000
I mean there's it's got some
implications tied to it.

1175
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,100
That's a little spooky, right?
100%.

1176
01:17:41,300 --> 01:17:42,900
And then you have to ask a
question.

1177
01:17:42,907 --> 01:17:46,800
Well then how do you make sense
when Elijah goes up and has his

1178
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:48,800
go-rounds with the priests of
Baal?

1179
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:54,100
Right, like obviously the God's
Not that the god of Abraham,

1180
01:17:54,100 --> 01:17:58,300
Isaac, and Jacob, he's not happy
with with what those priests are

1181
01:17:58,300 --> 01:17:59,500
doing.
So, how do you make sense of

1182
01:17:59,500 --> 01:18:01,400
that story?
Well, I'll tell you, I'll tell

1183
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:07,200
you how you make sense of it
because You by reading that

1184
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,300
scripture that you're talking
about, you actually don't know

1185
01:18:09,300 --> 01:18:12,800
what God thinks.
You know what the author of that

1186
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:16,500
scripture wants you to think?
And resting.

1187
01:18:16,500 --> 01:18:22,000
And there was authors who came
along and they won out in the

1188
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:27,900
historical struggle. and they
didn't, like, Idol worship, they

1189
01:18:27,900 --> 01:18:32,200
didn't like Baal and asherah, or
Ashraf or Ishtar.

1190
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:37,800
And so they ended up saying
that.

1191
01:18:38,700 --> 01:18:41,300
The priests of Baal and the
priests of Astral like that,

1192
01:18:41,300 --> 01:18:44,400
they were the bad guys, but
that's only because you know, to

1193
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,500
the Victor go the spoils you
know, history is written by the

1194
01:18:46,500 --> 01:18:49,600
the Winner's or whatever.
So that's the answer.

1195
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:54,800
Okay, now it's not.
That's nuts because I saw a

1196
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:58,800
clip. a few years back at a book
of Mormon evidence conference

1197
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:03,200
where it showed a clip of Tanner
and not Tanner.

1198
01:19:03,900 --> 01:19:09,100
Terryl and Fiona Givens, okay?
Talking about the Book of Mormon

1199
01:19:09,100 --> 01:19:13,100
and they made the comparison
that well, Chief Captain Moroni.

1200
01:19:13,100 --> 01:19:17,900
He was probably most likely a
war criminal Um because of how

1201
01:19:17,900 --> 01:19:21,600
he treated the lamanites, right?
Like, it was spooky to listen to

1202
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,800
but it's in that same vein,
right?

1203
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:26,600
It absolutely is.
Yeah.

1204
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:31,500
Once you Once you start to kind
of open this door like it just

1205
01:19:31,500 --> 01:19:34,500
it will go to its logical
conclusion, which is all the

1206
01:19:34,500 --> 01:19:36,100
things that we're talking about
now.

1207
01:19:36,100 --> 01:19:39,000
It's, it's it's it's it's it
seems crazy.

1208
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:42,800
And I think people who swallow
this stuff would also say.

1209
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,700
No that's crazy.
But I have right here on my

1210
01:19:45,700 --> 01:19:49,700
phone.
Hey, a message that I say that

1211
01:19:49,700 --> 01:19:55,800
this was just last week, I was
talking with some Some folks in

1212
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,500
a chat group that I'm in, I'm
not gonna name names.

1213
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:02,700
About the subject of abortion
came up and I'm going to read

1214
01:20:02,700 --> 01:20:06,800
what this woman had to say.
You mean, I, I hit it that

1215
01:20:06,808 --> 01:20:09,600
close.
Yeah, I was, this was you.

1216
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:12,400
I wasn't gonna hang this out.
But man, you brought that up.

1217
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,800
Dang it.
Another, one of my relating

1218
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:17,300
thoughts, I know it wasn't asked
for.

1219
01:20:17,300 --> 01:20:19,600
I do think and to add to the
topic of the video.

1220
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:22,700
Those are video.
The that was about abortion and

1221
01:20:22,700 --> 01:20:27,700
about how the video was about
how like it's okay if you kill a

1222
01:20:27,700 --> 01:20:31,400
baby, if they haven't had the
first breath, Oh geez.

1223
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:35,800
Okay, so I do think that the
mother is supposed to be in

1224
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:39,400
charge of and responsible for
the forming of a baby and the

1225
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:41,500
birthing process.
I think it is her stewardship

1226
01:20:41,500 --> 01:20:44,700
enroll.
I also think that from an

1227
01:20:44,700 --> 01:20:48,400
eternal perspective, the, the
baby or Spirit child all so uses

1228
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:53,300
their agency to choose along the
way and that the spirit being

1229
01:20:53,300 --> 01:20:57,000
isn't forced into being born
into a mortal body or any other

1230
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:00,800
body, I've heard it said many
times that people feel heavenly

1231
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,600
father is in charge of dealing
with the hypothetical

1232
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:07,000
dissolution of his kids who
fighting against him or reject

1233
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:10,600
the fullness after receiving it.
So sons of Perdition I've heard

1234
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:16,800
it said that he gets to decide
and deal with If a being with a

1235
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:20,600
body and spirit are broken down
and recycled into the universe

1236
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:23,600
or whatever happens to them
after the particles fall apart

1237
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:27,900
to me that's like he has the
ability to decide if a being is

1238
01:21:27,900 --> 01:21:31,700
aborted at some point in their
progression or existence and

1239
01:21:31,700 --> 01:21:37,300
people seem to be okay with that
little shrug Emoji even if it's

1240
01:21:37,300 --> 01:21:40,200
just pulling his spirit away
because people have had enough

1241
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:43,800
chance or don't want it, he
Heavenly Father gets to survey

1242
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:47,100
the situation and decide when
he's going to leave them to

1243
01:21:47,100 --> 01:21:50,000
destruction and darkness.
And people, you know, Mormons

1244
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:54,600
seem to be okay with that idea.
I think heavenly mother has the

1245
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,200
responsibility and jurisdiction
to govern the gestation

1246
01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:02,000
formation and birth stage of a
baby child, child of God, slash

1247
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:04,100
being.
I believe that she has the

1248
01:22:04,100 --> 01:22:08,100
stewardship to assess a
situation in that realm and work

1249
01:22:08,100 --> 01:22:12,500
with a spirit child to see how
things should progress for the

1250
01:22:12,500 --> 01:22:17,800
best for their experience, Etc.
She is all so not a baby making

1251
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:21,600
robot and is personally involved
in the process and is a party

1252
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:25,200
that needs to be considered.
I suspect heavenly mother is

1253
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:29,200
able to assess her situation,
prepare all Needful Things and

1254
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:33,100
know in the moment is wise
before gestating immortality, we

1255
01:22:33,100 --> 01:22:36,100
don't seem to always be great at
that for sure.

1256
01:22:36,100 --> 01:22:40,300
Ideally mortal women would use
the wisdom and commune with God

1257
01:22:40,300 --> 01:22:43,300
to, to lead them through their
gestation and laborers.

1258
01:22:43,300 --> 01:22:44,800
I recognize that not every
woman.

1259
01:22:44,808 --> 01:22:48,600
Does some women make sad choices
and some have sad choices made

1260
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,600
for them.
But I still don't think that the

1261
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:54,500
responsibility to navigate that
stewardship should be taken away

1262
01:22:54,500 --> 01:22:56,700
from them and given to anyone
else.

1263
01:22:56,700 --> 01:23:00,000
Women need to learn to be like
heavenly mother.

1264
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:05,600
Oh crap.
So like heavenly father can

1265
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:10,100
decide when you know Spirits get
destroyed and heavenly mother

1266
01:23:10,100 --> 01:23:14,000
can as well.
And like Earthly women being in

1267
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:17,800
charge of whether or not they
want to destroy a baby is like

1268
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:22,000
equivalent to how many father
destroying a And Underpants and

1269
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:26,200
wicked, you know, dreamed.
Soul at some Future Point.

1270
01:23:27,900 --> 01:23:30,600
So that these are these are
fruits of this idea.

1271
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:34,800
I mean, you know, the the
heavenly mother that the

1272
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:40,400
documentary hypothesis talk
about is astroth. asherah Ishtar

1273
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:45,500
like, we know, How?
She is worshiped.

1274
01:23:45,500 --> 01:23:52,600
We know how bail is worship too.
And like, like, Baal is Well,

1275
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:57,500
it's interesting.
When you get into polytheism a

1276
01:23:57,500 --> 01:24:00,100
lot of the, like the gods just
kind of get Blended up.

1277
01:24:00,100 --> 01:24:06,700
So like sometimes astroth is
Elle's Wife and sometimes Bales,

1278
01:24:06,700 --> 01:24:11,500
like Baal takes L's place
because Baal is his son, and

1279
01:24:11,500 --> 01:24:16,000
then he marries his mother who
is Ashura or Ishtar. but yeah,

1280
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:19,500
like abortion is actually part
of the worship of Ishtar like

1281
01:24:19,500 --> 01:24:23,400
and we know this from the you
know, the Canaanite Nations that

1282
01:24:24,900 --> 01:24:29,800
Like left hit records right and
archaeological evidence, things

1283
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:34,100
like that.
So Okay, that's heavy stuff.

1284
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,900
I'm just one bottle of wine.
Go back to that.

1285
01:24:40,900 --> 01:24:45,100
I'm just one bottle of wine on
an empty stomach type of girl.

1286
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:50,200
So actually didn't mean to go to
that slide yet.

1287
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:55,300
But but yeah, this is I think
that people who, Have you heard

1288
01:24:55,300 --> 01:24:57,500
this saying before?
It's like whining on an empty

1289
01:24:57,500 --> 01:25:00,700
stomach.
This is saying that gets thrown

1290
01:25:00,708 --> 01:25:04,400
around at my house sometimes,
but it's for people who hear an

1291
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:08,200
idea.
And like latch onto it without

1292
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:11,800
actually knowing the other side
without actually studying out

1293
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:17,500
alternatives.
And and they, they get drunk on

1294
01:25:17,500 --> 01:25:20,100
a new idea.
And that's a very common thing.

1295
01:25:20,100 --> 01:25:23,400
That's like a natural thing.
And this wine on an empty

1296
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:26,400
stomach is just kind of a
physical analogy to that mental

1297
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:28,100
or spiritual tendency that we
have.

1298
01:25:28,100 --> 01:25:31,800
So this is in contrast to having
wine on a full stomach.

1299
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:36,400
So, on a full stomach means that
you have That you are prepared

1300
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:41,500
with a wide variety, both
breadth and depth of ideas.

1301
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:48,200
And you actually know some
things already before you hear a

1302
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:51,600
new idea and then when you hear
a new idea, you don't get pushed

1303
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:53,300
around by it so much, it doesn't
affect you.

1304
01:25:54,100 --> 01:25:56,800
In quite the way.
And if it's a good idea, then

1305
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:58,900
you can go along with it.
And if it's not, then you can

1306
01:25:58,900 --> 01:26:01,000
reject it, but if you don't
have, but if your belly is not

1307
01:26:01,008 --> 01:26:04,800
full to begin with and you hear
a new idea and it's you know

1308
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:08,800
it's sexy and attractive and you
don't know any better and you're

1309
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:12,700
you know, you hear this idea
about How the scriptures all

1310
01:26:12,700 --> 01:26:17,400
come together and kind of the
the applications that show up

1311
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:19,900
everywhere and how it explains
this and that.

1312
01:26:19,900 --> 01:26:21,900
And you actually don't really
know what the scriptures said

1313
01:26:21,900 --> 01:26:24,600
before.
You hear these ideas, then it's

1314
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,100
going to be really alluring, you
know, you're going to be drunk.

1315
01:26:29,100 --> 01:26:33,500
so, I think that happens with a
lot of people, unfortunately,

1316
01:26:33,500 --> 01:26:39,900
like I I sometimes get suckered
into like commenting on YouTube.

1317
01:26:39,900 --> 01:26:44,800
It's I don't recommend it, it's
YouTube's, not really good place

1318
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:49,000
to have a discussion. whether
know nor argument like, you

1319
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:51,900
can't have a calm or like, it's
just a ridiculous place, but

1320
01:26:51,900 --> 01:26:56,800
sometimes they get sucked in and
You know, a lot of times the

1321
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:58,800
comments are like, well, have
you read this or that?

1322
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:02,500
And I'm like, yes, I have and I
can tell that you haven't, but

1323
01:27:02,500 --> 01:27:04,000
it doesn't really do any good,
you know.

1324
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:08,800
Right.
So okay.

1325
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:13,100
So there are there are there are
problems and I'm just going to

1326
01:27:13,100 --> 01:27:15,700
go over these quickly, some of
these we've already gone over

1327
01:27:15,700 --> 01:27:18,800
like so one is you know there's
just logic problem if a single

1328
01:27:18,808 --> 01:27:20,900
author would have a problem with
contradictions doublets

1329
01:27:20,900 --> 01:27:24,300
anomalies then why wouldn't the
redactor that put all this stuff

1330
01:27:24,300 --> 01:27:27,500
together?
Okay, right, there's many

1331
01:27:27,500 --> 01:27:35,000
things.
Many, I have a have a type of

1332
01:27:35,008 --> 01:27:38,900
their Dingle authors many, many
examples of ancient documents

1333
01:27:38,900 --> 01:27:43,200
that we know are single authors.
Okay, that have the same

1334
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:47,000
anomalies that are supposedly
evidence for multiple

1335
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:50,000
authorship.
And so it just shows that those

1336
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:53,600
anomalies don't necessarily
actually imply.

1337
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:56,000
What the documentary hypothesis
are saying they imply.

1338
01:27:59,100 --> 01:28:03,800
There has been, and I think
there's been a tendency lately

1339
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:08,500
to kind of back off on this, but
until the last few decades like

1340
01:28:08,500 --> 01:28:11,300
the text have been chopped up so
much.

1341
01:28:11,300 --> 01:28:14,800
And so finally, as to like make
it like incomprehensible,

1342
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:17,000
basically like this doesn't even
make sense anymore, we're

1343
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:19,200
cutting it up into so many small
pieces.

1344
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:24,200
But I think they've backed off
on that a little bit, but it is

1345
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:26,300
a problem.
There's a great lack of

1346
01:28:26,308 --> 01:28:29,600
consensus in the details because
the whole idea is so fuzzy.

1347
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:33,300
And it's all so subjective about
how you draw the lines and what

1348
01:28:33,300 --> 01:28:36,700
actually is implying.
What what and anyway that it,

1349
01:28:36,700 --> 01:28:41,700
there is kind of a consensus
that Like the scholars.

1350
01:28:41,700 --> 01:28:44,400
Definitely definitely know that
Moses wasn't the guy.

1351
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:49,300
We all agree that there was no,
you know, that that the what the

1352
01:28:49,300 --> 01:28:50,500
scripture say, cannot be
correct.

1353
01:28:50,500 --> 01:28:54,500
You know, because that involves
Supernatural things, so it must

1354
01:28:54,508 --> 01:28:56,900
be a naturalistic thing.
And the documentary hypothesis

1355
01:28:56,900 --> 01:29:00,200
or versions of it, there's a
fragmentary and a supplementary

1356
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:02,500
hypothesis as well.
And these are like kind of

1357
01:29:02,508 --> 01:29:05,300
versions of that.
Anyway.

1358
01:29:05,300 --> 01:29:08,400
Okay.
One of the things that's a

1359
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:10,600
problem is that you must read
the text in the most

1360
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:13,400
uncharitable way possible.
Like I kind of that example I

1361
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:18,300
gave about Moses.
And whether Zapora came with him

1362
01:29:18,300 --> 01:29:21,900
to Egypt or whether Jeffrey
like, you have to, you have to,

1363
01:29:21,900 --> 01:29:25,400
in many times, you have to like
intentionally misunderstand the

1364
01:29:25,407 --> 01:29:28,600
text.
Even though the taxes that and

1365
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:30,600
it's true, that's it is true
that okay?

1366
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:33,100
I don't I don't deny that the
scriptures are hard to

1367
01:29:33,108 --> 01:29:36,500
understand sometimes.
But I don't think that the

1368
01:29:36,500 --> 01:29:40,500
answer is to try to
misunderstand it and assume that

1369
01:29:40,500 --> 01:29:43,500
assume that the scriptures are
incoherent because they just

1370
01:29:43,500 --> 01:29:46,300
arose from these processes.
These natural processes were

1371
01:29:46,300 --> 01:29:48,600
talking about.
I think the better response is

1372
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,400
to try to understand why it
seems like there's an

1373
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:55,200
inconsistency there or to
understand what the lesson is.

1374
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:56,800
Why is this thing being
repeated?

1375
01:29:56,800 --> 01:30:00,600
Is it for emphasis?
Is it for poetic purposes Etc.

1376
01:30:01,900 --> 01:30:03,900
Got you.
So really it and I'm gonna have

1377
01:30:03,900 --> 01:30:06,900
a bunch of examples like it's
almost infuriating.

1378
01:30:06,900 --> 01:30:11,300
How How they intentionally
misunderstand, the text, when it

1379
01:30:11,300 --> 01:30:15,300
seems so obvious to me.
So anyway, you can be the judge

1380
01:30:15,300 --> 01:30:18,300
of that whether I'm maybe I'm
just maybe I'm reading into

1381
01:30:18,300 --> 01:30:20,000
things, I don't know, we'll go
over it.

1382
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:24,000
You're back.
I started to get the feeling

1383
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:26,300
that we, as fundamentalists and
Orthodox Mormons.

1384
01:30:26,300 --> 01:30:30,000
We need our own stuff up to.
Now, we've been able to buy and

1385
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:33,800
purchase all of our scriptures
books, art and music from other

1386
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:36,500
restoration organizations and
that's been good.

1387
01:30:36,500 --> 01:30:39,300
But there's no guarantee it's
going to remain that way.

1388
01:30:39,300 --> 01:30:43,400
All it can be a bit tricky as
you scour, the internet, trying

1389
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:46,600
to find all the books from your
favorite fundamentalists or

1390
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Mormon authors.

1391
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:51,300
As I thought about this, I feel
like I was really giving a

1392
01:30:51,300 --> 01:30:53,900
solution now through the hard
work of others because let's

1393
01:30:53,900 --> 01:30:56,500
face it.
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Now back to the show.
So, you must read it in a way

1432
01:33:01,900 --> 01:33:04,800
that ignores literary style, so,
common to the near East.

1433
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:08,900
So, You know, the poetic forms
of things and switching from

1434
01:33:08,900 --> 01:33:12,600
narrative to poetry.
That's actually another like

1435
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:15,400
evidence they say oh look
someone's just riding a story

1436
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:17,600
and then they like there's this
poetic piece.

1437
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:21,600
Therefore these are by different
people. because it's like it

1438
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:24,700
changes style in the middle of
the The.

1439
01:33:25,700 --> 01:33:27,000
In the middle of the narrative
or whatever.

1440
01:33:27,008 --> 01:33:33,800
Anyway, so I see no manuscript
evidence and you do have to

1441
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:39,200
ignore the manuscript evidence
that we do have, so now, this is

1442
01:33:41,100 --> 01:33:44,600
So this is important.
This is a thing that I see

1443
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:50,500
gotten wrong frequently.
It's kind of not understanding

1444
01:33:50,500 --> 01:33:52,900
the timeline of how we got
things.

1445
01:33:52,900 --> 01:33:57,700
So you know Moses according to
the scriptures he's you know 15

1446
01:33:57,700 --> 01:34:03,900
to 1400 BC, something like that.
Along, you know, Israel exists

1447
01:34:03,900 --> 01:34:07,300
for a while the the Assyrians
come, and they capture the

1448
01:34:07,300 --> 01:34:12,700
northern kingdom in like 720 BC,
okay?

1449
01:34:12,700 --> 01:34:14,800
And that is kind of where the
Samaritans begin.

1450
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:18,600
Samaritans are those who are
kind of Left Behind mixed with

1451
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:24,500
Assyrians Okay, King Manassa.
He's a little bit later. 697

1452
01:34:24,500 --> 01:34:28,400
Manassa is Josiah's grandfather.
Okay.

1453
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:34,100
Manassa, the scriptures describe
him as one of the most wicked

1454
01:34:34,100 --> 01:34:38,700
kings that that Judah ever had.
That Israel ever had.

1455
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:44,300
Because of his wickedness,
probably or at least was

1456
01:34:44,300 --> 01:34:47,800
probably part of it.
There's a Temple that's built in

1457
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:50,000
elephantine Egypt.
Have you heard of that?

1458
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:55,000
I have yep. 15 Temple.
So those people, there's a group

1459
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:59,500
of like Jewish pilgrims who like
left it went to the upper aisle.

1460
01:34:59,500 --> 01:35:03,400
So that's Southern Egypt and
billed, a temple and had a

1461
01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:06,500
community there.
Um, Josiah comes along a little

1462
01:35:06,508 --> 01:35:10,000
bit later.
Okay, this is where the the

1463
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:12,700
Torah really starts to get put
together according to the

1464
01:35:12,700 --> 01:35:15,500
documentary hypothesis.
The.

1465
01:35:17,300 --> 01:35:20,500
And then I didn't put on there,
but right around 600.

1466
01:35:20,500 --> 01:35:22,200
Of course.
This is all in the Babylonian

1467
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:27,000
captivity, takes place.
Okay. 450 BC or so, the

1468
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:30,400
Samaritans are totally separate
from the Jews.

1469
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:31,900
They actually build their own
Temple.

1470
01:35:31,900 --> 01:35:34,600
You know, just see if it's talks
about this, they have their own

1471
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:40,100
Torah as well.
And then sometime around 300

1472
01:35:40,100 --> 01:35:43,400
ish, 282. 50.
We have the step two agents.

1473
01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:50,700
So this was Jews again, living
in Egypt and they translated the

1474
01:35:50,700 --> 01:35:53,400
Hebrew scriptures into Greek.
It's called the Septuagint

1475
01:35:53,400 --> 01:36:00,100
because cept is Latin for 70 or
77 or 70 authors.

1476
01:36:02,100 --> 01:36:06,300
Okay.
Anyway, that was during the time

1477
01:36:06,300 --> 01:36:09,900
when there was kind of the Greek
persecution with the, you know,

1478
01:36:09,907 --> 01:36:12,600
the Maccabees and all of that.
It was kind of in the things

1479
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:14,500
leading.
Those that.

1480
01:36:14,500 --> 01:36:17,300
Yes, it was.
It proceeded that, but it was

1481
01:36:17,300 --> 01:36:21,300
leading up to that it was after
the Greek Empire had began to

1482
01:36:21,300 --> 01:36:25,800
expand Okay.
Ptolemy Ptolemy the second was

1483
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:30,000
the degree Emperor down in.
Egypt, this is after Alexander

1484
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:32,400
dies and his kingdom gets split
apart.

1485
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:36,500
All right, okay, then we have
the Dead Sea Scrolls, there's

1486
01:36:36,500 --> 01:36:39,400
those documents will go over
quite a range.

1487
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:43,400
There, you can see, there was a
another Egyptian temple called

1488
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:48,400
the Temple of anayas at 170 BC
that was built in the, in

1489
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:51,200
Northern Egypt.
So the Lower Egypt along the

1490
01:36:52,100 --> 01:36:55,700
Like near the, the delta.
And that was, these are all

1491
01:36:55,700 --> 01:36:58,000
Jewish temples, right?
Yes, that's right.

1492
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:02,500
Yeah, okay that's right.
And of course we have the

1493
01:37:02,500 --> 01:37:06,800
Christian era begins, right?
Jesus's yeshua's Ministry is

1494
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:08,800
right around, you know, 30 to
33.

1495
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:12,400
There's some debate about that
but right around there gave the

1496
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:15,400
apostles they go for another
Little while, of course the

1497
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:22,500
temple is destroyed and so on.
This.

1498
01:37:24,500 --> 01:37:29,000
And then when we get the Hebrew,
the Hebrew text of the Bible

1499
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:31,600
actually this is interesting.
The Hebrew.

1500
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:36,400
Scriptures that the King James
is translated from and the NIV

1501
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:41,400
and the NLT and the ESV and like
all the English translations of

1502
01:37:41,407 --> 01:37:47,200
the Bible they come from.
Um, this masoretic text here.

1503
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:52,100
And the earliest.
Complete masoretic text that we

1504
01:37:52,100 --> 01:37:55,600
have is not until a little after
a thousand ad, that's the

1505
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:57,800
Leningrad codex.
We do have some fragments the

1506
01:37:57,800 --> 01:37:59,800
Aleppo codex a little bit
earlier than that.

1507
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:04,500
But here's the interesting thing
about this is the Bible that we

1508
01:38:04,500 --> 01:38:08,600
use like the King, James and
other English translations are

1509
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:13,300
based off of or largely based
off of it, didn't Exist.

1510
01:38:13,300 --> 01:38:14,700
Or at least we don't have
evidence.

1511
01:38:14,700 --> 01:38:16,400
Okay?
We don't have evidence of his

1512
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:20,300
existence until right around
1,000 ad.

1513
01:38:20,300 --> 01:38:25,900
Is that seem late to you?
It seemed a little late.

1514
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:30,400
Yeah.
So The now.

1515
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:36,100
They're certainly were Hebrew
versions that existed before

1516
01:38:36,100 --> 01:38:38,900
that.
But we just don't, we just don't

1517
01:38:38,900 --> 01:38:41,700
have them and we know that the,
the Septuagint, for example, the

1518
01:38:41,700 --> 01:38:46,500
Greek version.
That was, that came from the

1519
01:38:46,500 --> 01:38:47,800
Hebrew.
Actually, we do have, we do have

1520
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:50,600
Hebrew versions, but it's the,
the Dead Sea, scroll version,

1521
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:53,700
and they, the Dead Sea scroll
version's.

1522
01:38:53,700 --> 01:38:55,700
Actually matched the Step 2
agent.

1523
01:38:55,700 --> 01:38:58,800
The Greek very well, and they
actually also matched the

1524
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:04,800
Samaritan Torah quite well.
Also like those three versions

1525
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:09,300
are much closer to each other
than the much later, Hebrew

1526
01:39:09,300 --> 01:39:14,500
text, which all of our
scriptures basically, A descend

1527
01:39:14,500 --> 01:39:16,100
from.
So I just want to keep that

1528
01:39:16,100 --> 01:39:20,100
timeline in mind.
We're going to refer to it a

1529
01:39:20,100 --> 01:39:22,100
couple of other times throughout
any questions about that.

1530
01:39:22,900 --> 01:39:25,300
Nope, I'm all makes sense.
Okay?

1531
01:39:25,300 --> 01:39:28,400
So we talked about problems with
the documentary hypothesis and

1532
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:33,000
then for Mormons, there's other
problems too that you would

1533
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:35,600
think come up.
And, you know, if you're a

1534
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:38,600
believing Mormon and you want to
accept the documentary

1535
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:40,500
hypothesis, like you're going to
have to deal with this.

1536
01:39:40,500 --> 01:39:44,100
And you're going to basically
have to disagree with. the

1537
01:39:44,100 --> 01:39:50,900
proponents of the documentary
hypothesis in order to In order

1538
01:39:50,900 --> 01:39:55,100
to keep your faith or, or you
might, and I know Mormons, you

1539
01:39:55,100 --> 01:39:57,300
are in this category, too, who
believe that?

1540
01:39:57,300 --> 01:40:00,900
The, you know, the Book of
Mormon was not Is not anything.

1541
01:40:00,900 --> 01:40:02,800
There's nothing literal about
the Book of Mormon that it was

1542
01:40:02,808 --> 01:40:06,600
all.
So, The product of Joseph's mind

1543
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:09,100
and it's a you know a useful a
useful fiction.

1544
01:40:09,100 --> 01:40:14,200
That is an option fired fiction.
Yeah, that's how I even like a

1545
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:18,600
Pious Pious fraud.
So people believe that or that

1546
01:40:21,500 --> 01:40:23,900
Yeah, so some some flavor of
that.

1547
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:28,100
Anyway, like, we know like the
Nephi and his brothers, they go

1548
01:40:28,100 --> 01:40:30,600
back and they get the brass
plates and they look at them and

1549
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:35,200
the brass plates which predate
like the brass plates.

1550
01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:38,000
Go a long ways back like they
have Jenny all the time.

1551
01:40:38,900 --> 01:40:41,600
We don't we don't know that it
doesn't tell us when the brass

1552
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:44,800
plates were composed, but the
records that are on them.

1553
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:47,100
At least go all the way back to
Joseph of Egypt, right?

1554
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:50,700
Right?
And it says, they contain the

1555
01:40:50,700 --> 01:40:54,300
five books of Moses.
So, according to the

1556
01:40:54,300 --> 01:40:59,900
documentary, hypothesis at least
it's it's most Accepted form.

1557
01:40:59,900 --> 01:41:02,300
Like this is not really, this is
a problem.

1558
01:41:02,300 --> 01:41:06,200
If you're going to believe in
the morning, Yeah, no, I can see

1559
01:41:06,208 --> 01:41:07,700
that.
Now here's another one.

1560
01:41:07,700 --> 01:41:11,300
And this one is a very big one
for me, like, okay.

1561
01:41:11,300 --> 01:41:13,500
And this is, goes back to the
question you asked earlier about

1562
01:41:13,500 --> 01:41:17,400
the, the contamination of the
Bible that is kind of baked into

1563
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:21,200
Mormonism.
And I, you know, I I totally

1564
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:24,000
accept that that is there, but
the Book of Mormon actually

1565
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:28,300
says, when that's going to
happen.

1566
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:35,300
So, This is in first Nephi
chapter 13, it's on the screen

1567
01:41:35,300 --> 01:41:37,100
but I'm just gonna I'm gonna
read.

1568
01:41:37,100 --> 01:41:39,400
Well I'll just read the
highlighted Parts I guess.

1569
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:44,600
Right Nephi season.
He sees.

1570
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:50,800
The book that the Gentiles have.
And he says it is a.

1571
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:53,900
So, just reading the highlighted
Parts, here it is a record like

1572
01:41:53,900 --> 01:41:56,400
unto the Engravings which are
upon the plates of brass.

1573
01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:59,200
So the Old Testament saved, they
are not so many.

1574
01:41:59,200 --> 01:42:03,300
So there's some, you know, extra
apocryphal books that the brass

1575
01:42:03,300 --> 01:42:07,200
plates have Nevertheless, they
contain the covenants of the

1576
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:09,100
Lord, which you have made unto
the house of Israel.

1577
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:13,400
And Germany University 24.
When it proceeded from the mouth

1578
01:42:13,400 --> 01:42:18,000
of the Jew, it contained.
The fullness of the Gospel verse

1579
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,000
25, wherefore these things.
Go forth.

1580
01:42:20,700 --> 01:42:26,100
From the Jews in purity. unto
the Gentiles, according to the

1581
01:42:26,100 --> 01:42:31,400
truth, which is after God and
verse 26 says and after they go

1582
01:42:31,400 --> 01:42:34,400
forth by the hand of the 12,
Apostles of the lamb from the

1583
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:38,000
Jews and to the Gentiles, then
you see the formation of the

1584
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:42,800
great and abominable Church,
which is Most abominable of all

1585
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:46,700
other churches for behold, they
have taken away from the gospel

1586
01:42:46,700 --> 01:42:49,200
of the Lamb, many parts, which
are playing, and most precious,

1587
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:52,500
and also, many of the covenants
of the Lord, have they taken

1588
01:42:52,500 --> 01:42:55,000
away.
And then down to verse 29, which

1589
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:58,100
I don't think you, Oh, I can't
see all of that.

1590
01:42:58,100 --> 01:43:01,800
Not all of it, but says verse
29, it says, and after after

1591
01:43:01,800 --> 01:43:04,700
these plain and pressure things
were taken away, It Goes Forth

1592
01:43:04,700 --> 01:43:06,800
unto all the nations of the
Gentiles.

1593
01:43:07,500 --> 01:43:10,100
And after you go forth unto all
the nations of the Gentiles,

1594
01:43:10,100 --> 01:43:13,300
even across the many Waters,
which he was seen with the

1595
01:43:13,300 --> 01:43:18,300
Gentiles, which have gone forth
out of captivity, Of Cs because

1596
01:43:18,300 --> 01:43:20,500
of the many plain and precious
things which have been taken out

1597
01:43:20,500 --> 01:43:22,500
of the book which we're playing
unto the understanding of the

1598
01:43:22,508 --> 01:43:24,800
children of men, according to
the plaintiffs, which is in the

1599
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:26,900
Lamb of God.
Because of these things, which

1600
01:43:26,900 --> 01:43:29,100
are taken away out of the
Gospel, am exceedingly, great

1601
01:43:29,100 --> 01:43:30,500
many do stumble, yay, in so
much.

1602
01:43:30,500 --> 01:43:32,700
That Satan half great power over
them.

1603
01:43:32,700 --> 01:43:35,800
So it's actually repeated
several times here.

1604
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:39,100
They says, in verse 25, there
says, when it goes from the Jews

1605
01:43:39,100 --> 01:43:42,900
to the Gentiles and it specifies
that in verse 26, that that is

1606
01:43:42,907 --> 01:43:46,400
when the 12 apostles, begin to
take it from the Jews to the

1607
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:48,600
Gentiles.
And you see the formation of the

1608
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:51,900
great and abominable church, but
when he gets when it first gets

1609
01:43:51,900 --> 01:43:56,400
transferred, it is pure.
But then, the great new Bond

1610
01:43:56,400 --> 01:44:00,400
will Church comes.
And Then they are the one that

1611
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:05,300
corrupts and in my view most of
the corruption is a Corruption

1612
01:44:05,300 --> 01:44:09,700
of understanding, not
necessarily of content.

1613
01:44:09,700 --> 01:44:12,300
Although I do believe that
things were taken out that

1614
01:44:12,300 --> 01:44:15,300
shouldn't have been.
But as far as the material that

1615
01:44:15,300 --> 01:44:19,300
we have, Um I think it's mostly
correct.

1616
01:44:19,300 --> 01:44:22,300
I do you know I do like Joseph
Smith's explanations and

1617
01:44:22,300 --> 01:44:28,100
expansions and things like that,
but we can look at And go back

1618
01:44:28,100 --> 01:44:31,400
to our timeline here.
Okay, we can look at the

1619
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:35,300
Septuagint.
And the Samaritan Torah and

1620
01:44:35,300 --> 01:44:38,900
those and the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Those were things that existed

1621
01:44:38,900 --> 01:44:44,400
before.
The gospel went to the Gentiles.

1622
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:50,100
which The Book of Mormon says
that those things were pure at

1623
01:44:50,100 --> 01:44:54,200
that time, Or at least pure
enough for the angel to use the

1624
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:56,500
word pure when describing it to
Nephi.

1625
01:44:57,300 --> 01:45:01,000
And then not until after the
Christian era, basically, the

1626
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:03,600
beginning of the Christian era,
do we see that there is

1627
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:08,800
corruption in the Old Testament,
in those things that went from

1628
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:12,100
the Jews to the Gentiles, right?
That is what Nephi is saying.

1629
01:45:12,100 --> 01:45:17,500
And so So this is, this is
interesting thing, is that, when

1630
01:45:17,500 --> 01:45:22,900
you compare the masoretic text
to the Septuagint and the Dead

1631
01:45:22,900 --> 01:45:27,500
Sea Scrolls, and the Samaritan
Torah that there are

1632
01:45:27,500 --> 01:45:29,900
Corruptions.
And I will say that many of the

1633
01:45:29,900 --> 01:45:33,700
Corruptions half to do with
Messianic prophecy.

1634
01:45:34,300 --> 01:45:38,500
And in the Hebrew text that we
have a lot of the Messianic

1635
01:45:38,500 --> 01:45:41,000
prophecies are significantly
weakened.

1636
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:43,800
And there is a lot of debate
about this.

1637
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:51,100
My view is that that this
altering of the Hebrew text, I

1638
01:45:51,100 --> 01:45:54,700
believe that the Hebrew text was
altered and that the, the

1639
01:45:54,700 --> 01:45:57,800
fragments and, you know, the
textual tradition that we have

1640
01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:01,300
of the Septuagint, and the Dead
Sea Scrolls, that we found, and

1641
01:46:02,700 --> 01:46:05,500
Samaritan Torah.
I believe those represent a more

1642
01:46:05,500 --> 01:46:08,700
pure version because they
actually have their Roots

1643
01:46:08,700 --> 01:46:12,400
traceable to.
Before the time, when Nephi says

1644
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:16,000
the corruption will take place.
So, when you compare these older

1645
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:20,800
versions to the newer version in
the Septuagint, the prophecies

1646
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:22,600
about, Jesus are much more
clear.

1647
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:25,300
Like, it's much harder to deny.
That Jesus is Messiah.

1648
01:46:25,300 --> 01:46:29,900
When you read the Septuagint
compared to what we have in the

1649
01:46:29,900 --> 01:46:35,500
King James which came from the
Hebrew, the later Hebrew Hey, so

1650
01:46:35,500 --> 01:46:38,200
I'm going to sum something up
and then you can tell me if I'm

1651
01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:41,300
right or wrong.
And in what I think you're

1652
01:46:41,300 --> 01:46:44,900
saying here and then I might
have one more follow-up question

1653
01:46:44,900 --> 01:46:48,100
to that.
So if I'm understanding you

1654
01:46:48,100 --> 01:46:53,300
correctly here, it's that your
belief on this is that Joseph

1655
01:46:53,300 --> 01:46:58,200
came.
And He restored Maybe not so

1656
01:46:58,200 --> 01:47:01,400
much, the text, but the
understanding of the text is

1657
01:47:01,400 --> 01:47:04,200
that correct?
Yes, I think that was the, the

1658
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:08,800
major contribution that Joseph
made to the Bible and I think

1659
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:15,700
you know, there are there are
ah, there are a few kind of,

1660
01:47:17,500 --> 01:47:19,600
Corrections relatively few
though.

1661
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:24,100
I think I would say the
majority. 90% of the The things

1662
01:47:24,100 --> 01:47:29,700
that Joseph Smith did in the jst
were like, expansions and

1663
01:47:29,700 --> 01:47:33,100
explanations, not contradictions
to what was already there.

1664
01:47:33,100 --> 01:47:36,100
You know what I'm saying?
Oh, I see what you're saying.

1665
01:47:36,100 --> 01:47:41,900
So with that, then how would you
how would you make sense of of

1666
01:47:41,900 --> 01:47:46,000
Article of Faith 8 where it says
as far as it is translated

1667
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:49,900
correctly, right?
Because translation is a lot

1668
01:47:49,900 --> 01:47:53,400
different thing than just
understanding well, actually, I

1669
01:47:53,400 --> 01:47:57,000
don't think that it is, you
know, I talked to you about the,

1670
01:47:57,000 --> 01:48:02,200
the targum, the Aramaic like
that word Target him means

1671
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:04,400
Translation.
But it also means

1672
01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:08,400
interpretation. and like, every
every translation is an

1673
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:12,800
interpretation, Okay.
All right.

1674
01:48:12,808 --> 01:48:14,600
Nope.
I follow you.

1675
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:19,800
So so I think the the Joseph
Smith translation is Is like is

1676
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:21,700
perfectly.
I think it's perfectly proper to

1677
01:48:21,700 --> 01:48:25,700
understand it as a As just
misinterpretation of what the

1678
01:48:25,700 --> 01:48:29,500
text is, getting at what the
text is meaning with with

1679
01:48:29,500 --> 01:48:35,300
inspired editions.
Like, I believe that, but yes,

1680
01:48:35,300 --> 01:48:40,700
but but I will say that the,
like the The texts that we have

1681
01:48:40,700 --> 01:48:43,400
like the historical physical
evidence.

1682
01:48:44,300 --> 01:48:47,600
Shows.
In in my opinion shows the what

1683
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:52,500
Nephi is saying is correct that
the the books that we have of

1684
01:48:52,500 --> 01:48:56,200
the the Old Testament prior to
the Christian era are different

1685
01:48:56,200 --> 01:49:01,200
in many ways.
From the book, from the, the

1686
01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:03,000
books of the Old Testament that
we have.

1687
01:49:03,900 --> 01:49:06,600
That kind of surface after the
beginning of the Christiana.

1688
01:49:07,700 --> 01:49:11,600
Okay.
Okay.

1689
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:15,400
Now the next question I would
would have here.

1690
01:49:16,900 --> 01:49:20,500
Is.
During Joseph's time there's

1691
01:49:20,500 --> 01:49:23,300
more than one version of the
Bible floating around, right?

1692
01:49:23,300 --> 01:49:27,000
The Gutenberg the Geneva Bible.
I think we're all in use.

1693
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:29,700
In fact, if I'm not mistaken,
that Geneva Bible for a long

1694
01:49:29,700 --> 01:49:32,600
time was what found favor with
most Americans?

1695
01:49:32,600 --> 01:49:35,400
Because it was extremely hard on
tyrants.

1696
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:41,700
So do these do these same
things, you know, concerning the

1697
01:49:41,700 --> 01:49:46,500
documentary, hypothesis
hypothesis, Do they apply to

1698
01:49:46,500 --> 01:49:47,600
those other versions?
Right.

1699
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:52,800
Do we see the the Old Testament
in the Geneva being fairly close

1700
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:55,200
to the King James?
Yeah, yeah.

1701
01:49:55,200 --> 01:49:58,700
There's some questions or for
the Gutenberg Bible, all that

1702
01:49:58,700 --> 01:50:00,800
stuff.
They are from the Hebrew

1703
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:03,700
tradition.
Yeah, which is the from the

1704
01:50:03,700 --> 01:50:06,500
master erratic.
The master Rick for tradition.

1705
01:50:06,500 --> 01:50:10,200
Okay?
Which is Which is fairly late.

1706
01:50:10,200 --> 01:50:13,200
Now, in saying this, I don't
want anyone to kind of get the

1707
01:50:13,200 --> 01:50:17,500
idea that there's drastic
differences as far as like, like

1708
01:50:17,500 --> 01:50:20,400
unrecognizable different cities
or something like that.

1709
01:50:21,200 --> 01:50:23,900
There are, there are many.
I will say this is interesting

1710
01:50:23,900 --> 01:50:25,400
too.
I don't know if you've ever had

1711
01:50:25,400 --> 01:50:29,100
this experience, where you're
reading the New Testament and

1712
01:50:29,100 --> 01:50:31,700
you come across a quotation of
the Old Testament.

1713
01:50:31,700 --> 01:50:35,100
And then you go to like,
Cross-check it, you go to the

1714
01:50:35,100 --> 01:50:37,700
Old Testament and you see that
doesn't quite say what the New

1715
01:50:37,700 --> 01:50:39,400
Testament says.
Have you ever?

1716
01:50:39,400 --> 01:50:43,500
Yep, if you haven't, you should
try it sometime.

1717
01:50:43,500 --> 01:50:47,500
You'll find out that there's a
fair number of quotations,

1718
01:50:47,500 --> 01:50:51,900
supposed quotations in the New
Testament, you know, that are

1719
01:50:51,900 --> 01:50:55,300
usually about about Christ about
Messiah, that you go back and

1720
01:50:55,300 --> 01:50:59,500
look in the Old Testament and it
doesn't Say that it doesn't

1721
01:50:59,508 --> 01:51:03,000
quite say that.
But the thing is that if you

1722
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:06,700
actually Like those quotations
in the New Testament are from

1723
01:51:06,700 --> 01:51:09,800
the Septuagint.
They're not from the masoretic.

1724
01:51:09,800 --> 01:51:13,600
So if you go to the, if you go
to the Greek, like the Greek,

1725
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:17,500
the Greek Old Testament is what
the early church used.

1726
01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:21,200
Gotcha.
Okay, although there's

1727
01:51:21,200 --> 01:51:24,000
complications even there.
We don't need to get into that,

1728
01:51:24,008 --> 01:51:27,900
but I would just say, yeah, that
is. that is the version they

1729
01:51:27,900 --> 01:51:34,200
use, and then at some point with
the Protestant reformers they

1730
01:51:34,200 --> 01:51:38,300
felt that the Hebrew was like
more authoritative because it's

1731
01:51:38,300 --> 01:51:42,800
like because it's the original
language but it is not as old

1732
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:45,600
actually even though it's the
Original language.

1733
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:48,400
So anyway, it's just it's
there's a lot of interesting

1734
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:51,800
history there.
Okay.

1735
01:51:53,100 --> 01:51:54,900
Are you did you said, you had
another question?

1736
01:51:54,900 --> 01:51:58,100
I think.
Or was it the follow-up question

1737
01:51:58,100 --> 01:52:01,800
was about verse 8 out of the
Articles of Faith.

1738
01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:06,500
Okay, so I guess we probably
said what I want to say about

1739
01:52:06,500 --> 01:52:07,800
that.
Yep, you did.

1740
01:52:07,800 --> 01:52:10,500
Okay.
So, I think you did.

1741
01:52:12,300 --> 01:52:15,500
Good enough.
So this is, this is a problem.

1742
01:52:15,508 --> 01:52:19,300
They have the apparently they
have the Torah before you know,

1743
01:52:19,308 --> 01:52:22,800
before battle the Babylonian
captivity and and it's old as

1744
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:24,000
well.
Like it's not a new thing.

1745
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:25,600
Like oh we got to get these new
scriptures.

1746
01:52:25,600 --> 01:52:27,300
So I know these are on the brass
plates.

1747
01:52:27,300 --> 01:52:31,000
They've been handed down for
Generations like this is an old

1748
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:33,300
document at the time.
It's an old document at the time

1749
01:52:33,300 --> 01:52:37,300
of Lehigh, right?
Okay, we got this with the

1750
01:52:37,300 --> 01:52:41,400
timing like Nephi says, when the
right when the corruption is

1751
01:52:41,400 --> 01:52:44,100
going to happen and it's going
to be at the beginning of the

1752
01:52:44,100 --> 01:52:46,200
Christian era, when the Great
Wall church is formed.

1753
01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:49,000
And then, you know, then we have
this as well.

1754
01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:57,600
I mean, okay, here's something
else to say is We do, we do have

1755
01:52:57,600 --> 01:53:00,500
the the jst but the jst doesn't
say.

1756
01:53:01,300 --> 01:53:03,900
These are uninspired.
Writings, these are, these are

1757
01:53:03,900 --> 01:53:07,900
compilation of mishmash of
Warring factions from the

1758
01:53:07,900 --> 01:53:11,200
northern and southern and the
Priestly in the kingly and the

1759
01:53:11,200 --> 01:53:13,500
deuteronomist, and with the
redactor throwing it all

1760
01:53:13,500 --> 01:53:15,500
together, like Joseph, it
doesn't say anything about that.

1761
01:53:15,500 --> 01:53:21,400
Like Joseph Smith, accepts the
authorship as presented at least

1762
01:53:21,407 --> 01:53:24,000
ours we can tell.
And you mentioned this earlier

1763
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:29,700
like yeah, there's a problem if
you say That Moses doesn't

1764
01:53:29,700 --> 01:53:34,100
exist.
Because Joseph Smith sure

1765
01:53:34,100 --> 01:53:37,200
doesn't believe that.
Right, like Moses Wright.

1766
01:53:38,200 --> 01:53:42,400
And Joseph saw, Moses Envision,
and in and appeared to him in

1767
01:53:42,407 --> 01:53:48,700
person as well.
So, Um anyway and and even even

1768
01:53:48,700 --> 01:53:52,000
in the like the deuteronomist
hypothesis, this is kind of the

1769
01:53:52,008 --> 01:53:55,300
the piece I would say,
Deuteronomy hypothesis.

1770
01:53:55,300 --> 01:53:57,000
And we're going to get to this
more in detail later, but this

1771
01:53:57,008 --> 01:54:00,300
is the piece of the documentary
hypothesis that Mormons latch

1772
01:54:00,300 --> 01:54:04,200
onto the most, but you look at
the jst of Deuteronomy and

1773
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:10,900
there, it's It's hardly touched
like just so even if you are

1774
01:54:10,900 --> 01:54:13,300
like Joseph Matrix like he
didn't make corrections to

1775
01:54:13,300 --> 01:54:15,800
Deuteronomy, he corrected to he
corrected two things.

1776
01:54:17,500 --> 01:54:24,400
One of them is, it says, if an
animal dies by itself, you're

1777
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:27,800
not supposed to eat it.
But you can give it to like a

1778
01:54:27,800 --> 01:54:30,400
stranger who's with you?
Joseph Smith change that said,

1779
01:54:30,400 --> 01:54:32,200
and you cannot give it to the
stranger either.

1780
01:54:32,200 --> 01:54:35,700
Okay.
And then the other one, the

1781
01:54:35,700 --> 01:54:39,600
other one is Is another change
that?

1782
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:43,200
The deuteronomist.
The dude, the people who believe

1783
01:54:43,200 --> 01:54:47,000
in the deuteronomist hypothesis,
don't like So, if you believe in

1784
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:49,500
the Deuteronomy hypothesis, you
actually don't like the jst

1785
01:54:49,500 --> 01:54:54,800
because the jst affirms Moses.
Like the changes Joseph made a

1786
01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:58,900
firm the Mosaic authorship.
The other one is when Moses gets

1787
01:54:58,900 --> 01:55:04,300
the second set of tablets that
God says that he wrote on the

1788
01:55:04,300 --> 01:55:06,800
second set, everything that was
on the first set.

1789
01:55:08,300 --> 01:55:11,400
Like they were the same, right?
Except for the milk has a big

1790
01:55:11,400 --> 01:55:13,000
things.
Right.

1791
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:16,100
But but Joseph Smith writes that
in, okay?

1792
01:55:16,100 --> 01:55:22,200
But He but he like in in making
that change, he just is

1793
01:55:22,200 --> 01:55:25,400
affirming that it was that
Moses, it was Mosaic authorship,

1794
01:55:25,400 --> 01:55:29,700
you know?
So, Alright, alright, so yeah.

1795
01:55:29,700 --> 01:55:34,200
Yeah, it's yeah, I guess if
you're going to subscribe to it

1796
01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:37,200
fully It's going to become an
issue.

1797
01:55:37,900 --> 01:55:42,700
The the Joseph Smith translation
is actually at odds like it with

1798
01:55:42,700 --> 01:55:45,400
the documentary hypothesis and I
do not see how they can be.

1799
01:55:46,500 --> 01:55:51,900
reconciled without without
paying down the documentary

1800
01:55:51,900 --> 01:55:55,900
hypothesis.
To like what I said earlier of

1801
01:55:55,900 --> 01:55:59,200
like, when, you know, well,
someone maybe touched up

1802
01:55:59,200 --> 01:56:02,900
Deuteronomy after Moses died
like that, I can get on board

1803
01:56:02,900 --> 01:56:05,500
with that and like, that doesn't
contradict with the restoration

1804
01:56:05,500 --> 01:56:09,000
but saying that, right, that
Deuteronomy was not written by

1805
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:12,900
Moses or was significantly
changed like Joe Smith

1806
01:56:12,900 --> 01:56:17,000
translation does not.
Really support that at all.

1807
01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:20,400
So no.
And that look that has been my

1808
01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:23,700
one big critique that what I
said, right?

1809
01:56:23,700 --> 01:56:26,700
I haven't made up my mind
entirely on this but that is a

1810
01:56:26,700 --> 01:56:34,100
big critique for me. on, on the
hypothesis itself is that if

1811
01:56:34,100 --> 01:56:39,400
Joseph goes through the Old
Testament, um, he misses a lot.

1812
01:56:40,700 --> 01:56:44,100
Right.
Um, obviously, he goes through

1813
01:56:44,100 --> 01:56:48,600
it tight enough that he finds
that one part there about Giving

1814
01:56:48,600 --> 01:56:52,100
the dead animal to a stranger
enough that he feels to correct

1815
01:56:52,100 --> 01:56:55,500
it.
I think I think that would be

1816
01:56:55,500 --> 01:56:59,800
proof enough that he he went
through that thing pretty

1817
01:56:59,800 --> 01:57:01,300
exhaustively.
Oh yeah.

1818
01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:08,200
Yeah, for sure. okay, there's
one more thing that, you know,

1819
01:57:08,200 --> 01:57:11,200
if you're believing Mormon that
you have to deal with and that

1820
01:57:11,200 --> 01:57:15,400
is And that is Jesus.
Because Jesus loves Deuteronomy

1821
01:57:18,200 --> 01:57:21,900
Okay, like we talked about
quotations in the New Testament.

1822
01:57:22,600 --> 01:57:27,000
Like the Torah, the Torah is the
main target of the documentary

1823
01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:30,000
hypothesis and of course, the
deuteronomist hypothesis part of

1824
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:33,800
that.
You and, you know, just from the

1825
01:57:33,800 --> 01:57:35,600
picture I have there.
You could probably guess like

1826
01:57:35,600 --> 01:57:42,500
which book does Jesus quote, the
most from Its Deuteronomy.

1827
01:57:42,500 --> 01:57:45,400
Yeah, as far as books from the
Torah and he quotes from

1828
01:57:45,400 --> 01:57:47,900
Deuteronomy more than any other
book in the whole Testament

1829
01:57:47,900 --> 01:57:52,400
except for Saul's.
The number one thing that Jesus

1830
01:57:52,400 --> 01:57:55,000
quotes but Deuteronomy is the
next and it's, you know, it's

1831
01:57:55,000 --> 01:57:56,600
the most quoted book in the
tourist.

1832
01:57:56,600 --> 01:58:01,600
So, So, either you're saying,
like, I mean, people have

1833
01:58:01,600 --> 01:58:04,200
different ideas about this, but
to me, it seems like you're

1834
01:58:04,200 --> 01:58:06,500
saying Jesus is part of the
conspiracy, you know?

1835
01:58:06,500 --> 01:58:11,800
Because Jesus just seems to be
totally either either.

1836
01:58:11,800 --> 01:58:14,600
Jesus, is totally ignorant of
the conspiracy, the

1837
01:58:14,600 --> 01:58:17,200
deuteronomist conspiracy, and
he's just kind of ignorantly

1838
01:58:17,200 --> 01:58:20,800
quoting these things.
Kind of like the belief of that

1839
01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:24,700
fellow who thinks Nephi's not
speaking the truth because he's

1840
01:58:24,700 --> 01:58:28,300
just like inherited lies.
So, you think, maybe Jesus is

1841
01:58:28,300 --> 01:58:32,200
ignorant, which is not really a
good look for messiah or Jesus

1842
01:58:32,200 --> 01:58:34,100
is misleading.
People, because he's always

1843
01:58:34,100 --> 01:58:39,600
like, he always just gives this
A positive impression of the, of

1844
01:58:39,600 --> 01:58:41,800
the law and of Deuteronomy in
particular.

1845
01:58:43,600 --> 01:58:46,900
So, you know, and Jesus,
testifies of Moses, as

1846
01:58:46,900 --> 01:58:52,400
authorship repeatedly as well.
So that's that's pretty rough.

1847
01:58:52,400 --> 01:58:55,400
Yeah, that's that's tough spot
to be in.

1848
01:58:57,100 --> 01:59:01,700
You can, you can do things.
I have, let's see.

1849
01:59:03,300 --> 01:59:06,600
I'll say this right now, I guess
there's going to have later, but

1850
01:59:06,600 --> 01:59:10,500
I have talked with people, like
I've asked him like they're

1851
01:59:10,500 --> 01:59:14,700
giving me these ideas and I
said, you know, when when Jesus

1852
01:59:14,700 --> 01:59:19,100
was asked, About what is the
greatest commandment?

1853
01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:23,600
you know that he quotes
Deuteronomy He says hero Israel,

1854
01:59:23,600 --> 01:59:27,400
Lord Our God.
The Lord our God is one actually

1855
01:59:27,400 --> 01:59:34,000
says all in Hebrew, which Shema
Yisrael Jehovah Elohim.

1856
01:59:34,900 --> 01:59:39,300
Let's see, I'll say Jehovah.
Israel Yahoo.

1857
01:59:41,300 --> 01:59:44,300
And then he says and you shall
love the Lord your God with all

1858
01:59:44,300 --> 01:59:45,700
your heart, my mind and
strength, right?

1859
01:59:45,700 --> 01:59:48,300
That's the first crate and great
commandment that's from

1860
01:59:48,300 --> 01:59:51,500
Deuteronomy chapter 6, And so
I'm like, how do you how do you

1861
01:59:51,508 --> 01:59:54,600
square this?
With what you said earlier,

1862
01:59:54,600 --> 01:59:58,600
which is that Deuteronomy was
like fabrication of these

1863
01:59:58,600 --> 02:00:02,000
deuteronomist who were
conspiring to get rid of the

1864
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:03,900
true worship.
Of.

1865
02:00:05,800 --> 02:00:11,500
L and Baal and asherah.
And they just like pond off this

1866
02:00:11,500 --> 02:00:14,400
forgery with and put Moses his
name on it for the sake of

1867
02:00:14,407 --> 02:00:20,300
authority. and the answer like I
got was Jesus was actually Jesus

1868
02:00:20,300 --> 02:00:25,900
was speaking sarcastically.
That like when Jesus quoted

1869
02:00:25,900 --> 02:00:28,900
Deuteronomy he didn't he didn't
believe it but he knew that they

1870
02:00:28,900 --> 02:00:31,900
did and he was like using it to
shame them like he was speaking

1871
02:00:31,900 --> 02:00:34,700
ironically or like saying you
believe these things you know

1872
02:00:34,700 --> 02:00:37,200
and this is and how false she
are that you believe this is so

1873
02:00:37,200 --> 02:00:39,600
great.
Correct me if I'm wrong but

1874
02:00:39,600 --> 02:00:42,900
doesn't Jesus, quote Deuteronomy
when he's repelling Satan.

1875
02:00:43,500 --> 02:00:44,100
Yeah.
Yeah.

1876
02:00:44,300 --> 02:00:46,100
Actually, I've talked to someone
about that too different person.

1877
02:00:46,100 --> 02:00:50,100
I said that, that to me would be
a weird place to be speaking

1878
02:00:50,100 --> 02:00:53,400
sarcastically they said, oh
nothing, nothing better.

1879
02:00:53,400 --> 02:00:57,400
When you're confronting your
enemy, then slapping him with

1880
02:00:57,400 --> 02:01:00,300
his own words, like putting up
his own words, writing his face,

1881
02:01:00,300 --> 02:01:07,500
you know, quoting the devil to,
to the devil and, you know, I

1882
02:01:07,500 --> 02:01:12,400
you can believe that people do
believe that. and but, I mean I

1883
02:01:12,400 --> 02:01:18,600
don't find that I thought that
to me is bad for you. but that's

1884
02:01:18,600 --> 02:01:21,100
kind of what you have to
believe, because Jesus loves

1885
02:01:21,100 --> 02:01:23,800
Deuteronomy Jesus quotes at all
the time.

1886
02:01:23,808 --> 02:01:27,100
So you have to either say he is
ignorant.

1887
02:01:27,900 --> 02:01:31,100
He is in on the conspiracy.
Or.

1888
02:01:32,100 --> 02:01:36,900
He just is quoting Deuteronomy
in a in a sarcastic or mocking

1889
02:01:36,900 --> 02:01:39,600
way.
But there's a problem with that

1890
02:01:39,600 --> 02:01:41,700
last option.
I mean, these all have problems

1891
02:01:41,700 --> 02:01:45,500
obviously, but problem with the
last option because Here,

1892
02:01:45,500 --> 02:01:49,000
there's no indication anywhere
ever that Jesus like corrects

1893
02:01:49,000 --> 02:01:50,800
that he never likes tells his
disciples.

1894
02:01:50,800 --> 02:01:54,700
Now I, I quoted Deuteronomy to
the Pharisees because they

1895
02:01:54,700 --> 02:01:57,200
believed it and it's, you know,
I'm quoting it to their shame.

1896
02:01:57,200 --> 02:02:01,000
But when you read Deuteronomy,
you should understand that, you

1897
02:02:01,000 --> 02:02:05,100
know, not to be, you should not
be misled by my words, you

1898
02:02:05,100 --> 02:02:07,400
should understand.
The Deuteronomy is, has all

1899
02:02:07,400 --> 02:02:09,800
these false things, right?
There's never anything like

1900
02:02:09,800 --> 02:02:12,000
that.
Like Messiah is giving the wrong

1901
02:02:12,000 --> 02:02:15,500
impression.
Messiah is giving him, you know,

1902
02:02:15,508 --> 02:02:17,900
if, if Jesus doesn't believe it
but he's quoting it.

1903
02:02:17,900 --> 02:02:22,500
He's then you're saying that
that the Messiah is misleading

1904
02:02:22,500 --> 02:02:24,200
people.
Right.

1905
02:02:24,200 --> 02:02:28,400
Because he never seems to like
correct the impression that he's

1906
02:02:28,400 --> 02:02:30,500
giving.
So that's not good either.

1907
02:02:30,500 --> 02:02:35,200
I don't know.
No, it's a little problematic,

1908
02:02:35,200 --> 02:02:37,200
right?
Yes.

1909
02:02:37,200 --> 02:02:42,000
Okay.
So that is, I don't know what

1910
02:02:42,008 --> 02:02:45,300
time is it here. 9:00.
I don't know how long you want

1911
02:02:45,300 --> 02:02:48,000
to go.
I have the next part is the

1912
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:49,800
deuteronomist.
Hypothesis specifically.

1913
02:02:51,700 --> 02:02:54,000
Yeah, we can go as long as
you're you're you want to go

1914
02:02:54,000 --> 02:02:55,200
Josh, keep going.
Okay.

1915
02:02:58,000 --> 02:03:01,500
Okay, so I got here.
This is a YouTube video by The

1916
02:03:01,500 --> 02:03:03,800
Interpreter Foundation.
I love The Interpreter

1917
02:03:03,800 --> 02:03:06,100
Foundation.
They do a lot of excellent

1918
02:03:06,100 --> 02:03:09,600
stuff.
But they had this is a while

1919
02:03:09,600 --> 02:03:12,500
ago, this is just, you can see
the date there.

1920
02:03:12,500 --> 02:03:15,500
They had Margaret marker, come
out and do a two-part series.

1921
02:03:15,500 --> 02:03:21,600
I actually got on the zoom call
and was participating live.

1922
02:03:21,600 --> 02:03:25,300
And I actually asked her a
question because she was going

1923
02:03:25,300 --> 02:03:29,800
through all of these interesting
differences in the text of the

1924
02:03:29,800 --> 02:03:34,300
Old Testament.
But the thing that she was doing

1925
02:03:34,300 --> 02:03:40,100
is she was looking at the
Hebrew.

1926
02:03:41,200 --> 02:03:45,000
And the Greek and the Dead Sea
Scrolls. and she was showing

1927
02:03:45,000 --> 02:03:48,600
that these things that there's
like changes that have been made

1928
02:03:49,900 --> 02:03:56,700
but the problem is that she was
She was using these. these

1929
02:03:56,700 --> 02:04:01,500
changes to show that her, you
know, that the document that the

1930
02:04:01,500 --> 02:04:06,300
deuteronomist you made the
change But the problem is, is

1931
02:04:06,300 --> 02:04:09,600
that the two agent comes first,
and then the Hebrew masoretic

1932
02:04:09,600 --> 02:04:11,700
text comes later and not the
other way around.

1933
02:04:12,600 --> 02:04:18,100
And so so here's at at right at
little after an hour my question

1934
02:04:18,100 --> 02:04:23,800
gets played.
So yeah, so that's one one

1935
02:04:23,800 --> 02:04:27,000
person is just making the
observation unlikely to respond

1936
02:04:27,000 --> 02:04:28,600
to it.
That the things that have been

1937
02:04:28,608 --> 02:04:31,700
presented show Corruptions in
the biblical texts that occurred

1938
02:04:31,700 --> 02:04:35,800
after the beginning of the
Christian era, since the mass,

1939
02:04:35,800 --> 02:04:40,400
Reddit taxes is much much later
than the DSs and the lxx as the

1940
02:04:40,400 --> 02:04:43,200
Book of Mormon repeatedly,
testifies and not early as the

1941
02:04:43,200 --> 02:04:47,000
Deuteronomy as hypothesis
asserts comments on that.

1942
02:04:49,100 --> 02:04:54,900
Well, the origin.
Of the masoretic text is much

1943
02:04:54,900 --> 02:05:01,800
disputed.
It must have been decided by a

1944
02:05:01,800 --> 02:05:06,500
group of people, I don't think a
text just settles and becomes

1945
02:05:06,500 --> 02:05:09,300
fixed.
I sometimes You know, people

1946
02:05:09,300 --> 02:05:12,500
say, well, the text became fixed
about such and such a date, but

1947
02:05:12,500 --> 02:05:15,200
text, don't fix themselves.
Somebody fixes them.

1948
02:05:15,200 --> 02:05:21,100
And the final form of the
masoretic text, Did come into

1949
02:05:21,100 --> 02:05:23,200
being.
In the Christian era.

1950
02:05:24,500 --> 02:05:28,300
Okay, so she basically says,
yes, that's correct.

1951
02:05:28,300 --> 02:05:33,300
We don't know the full origins
of the masoretic text fine but

1952
02:05:33,300 --> 02:05:37,100
it comes into being in the
Christian like after the

1953
02:05:37,100 --> 02:05:38,500
Christian era.
Okay?

1954
02:05:38,500 --> 02:05:42,700
So she just admits that and then
she keeps going on that we can

1955
02:05:42,700 --> 02:05:47,800
ask, but we can't answer is Who
determined and what criteria

1956
02:05:47,800 --> 02:05:52,300
determined what version of the
text should become sacred

1957
02:05:52,300 --> 02:05:55,300
canonical?
What should be included within

1958
02:05:55,300 --> 02:05:59,200
the Canon, because he, the
church Ethiopia, for example,

1959
02:05:59,200 --> 02:06:02,700
has Enoch in its can and that's
certainly doesn't appear in any

1960
02:06:02,700 --> 02:06:05,400
Canon that space on the
mathematic text.

1961
02:06:06,200 --> 02:06:09,800
All sorts of questions you have
to answer but to recognize that

1962
02:06:09,800 --> 02:06:12,500
they must text.
That is the basis of the

1963
02:06:12,500 --> 02:06:17,100
Christian translation of the Old
Testament to recognize that that

1964
02:06:17,100 --> 02:06:22,400
was in fact the Jewish texts
Fixed determined settled after

1965
02:06:22,400 --> 02:06:25,800
the Advent of Christianity and
perhaps in reaction to it that

1966
02:06:25,800 --> 02:06:28,100
is very, very important indeed.
Okay.

1967
02:06:28,100 --> 02:06:31,600
So there's she says she just
concedes the point again.

1968
02:06:31,600 --> 02:06:34,700
Yes, it was the Jewish texts, it
was fixed and determined, and

1969
02:06:34,700 --> 02:06:38,100
settled, after the Advent of
Christianity and perhaps in

1970
02:06:38,100 --> 02:06:42,100
reaction to it, that is my
belief as well. um, so like she

1971
02:06:42,100 --> 02:06:45,700
says this, but I don't know if
she realized and I don't think

1972
02:06:45,700 --> 02:06:49,800
that people in the the zoom
actually realize that she is

1973
02:06:49,800 --> 02:06:53,000
agreeing with the The
commenting.

1974
02:06:54,300 --> 02:06:57,600
The comment that I made that all
the things she's showing all the

1975
02:06:57,600 --> 02:07:02,200
differences are actually showing
that the changes were made after

1976
02:07:02,200 --> 02:07:04,200
the beginning of the Christian
era which is what the Book of

1977
02:07:04,200 --> 02:07:06,700
Mormon says.
And not before.

1978
02:07:07,700 --> 02:07:10,500
During the reign of King, Josiah
and the Babylonian exile.

1979
02:07:10,500 --> 02:07:15,500
Like she is saying, Or like the,
like, the documentary, like the

1980
02:07:15,500 --> 02:07:20,100
Deuteronomy hypothesis says.
So like, I think that the Book

1981
02:07:20,100 --> 02:07:24,200
of Mormon is actually in harmony
with the manuscript evidence

1982
02:07:24,200 --> 02:07:30,700
that we actually have and
Margaret Barker agrees here. but

1983
02:07:30,700 --> 02:07:35,200
also says well but you know we
don't we don't know things, you

1984
02:07:35,200 --> 02:07:37,600
know which is true but the
evidence that we do have

1985
02:07:37,600 --> 02:07:41,300
actually agrees with the Book of
Mormon and not with her.

1986
02:07:42,200 --> 02:07:46,600
So interesting, that's fine.
She could debate forever about

1987
02:07:46,600 --> 02:07:49,100
what the boats might have been.
And all the rest of why this was

1988
02:07:49,100 --> 02:07:53,300
in goodbye.
This wasn't But it is a mistake

1989
02:07:53,300 --> 02:07:56,400
to assume that the Old Testament
that we read now is the Old

1990
02:07:56,400 --> 02:08:00,600
Testament that Jesus knew most.
So yeah, the Old Testament that

1991
02:08:00,600 --> 02:08:03,600
we read now is not the one that
Jesus had, but but we do know

1992
02:08:03,600 --> 02:08:05,900
what Jesus had.
Its the Septuagint.

1993
02:08:06,600 --> 02:08:09,300
Or at least the Septuagint is
very close to it, and we can

1994
02:08:09,300 --> 02:08:13,800
tell because of the quotations.
So, when you say the Septuagint,

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02:08:14,400 --> 02:08:16,800
That wouldn't have been in the
Greek though, right?

1996
02:08:16,800 --> 02:08:22,300
Yes, it was in the Greek. so, so
Are you saying that Jesus was

1997
02:08:22,300 --> 02:08:24,800
reading the Septuagint and Greek
that he was?

1998
02:08:25,700 --> 02:08:31,500
okay, Greek was the I mean, the
it was it was Greek was the

1999
02:08:31,500 --> 02:08:34,400
lingua, Franca Aramaic was as
well.

2000
02:08:34,400 --> 02:08:37,400
He Jesus probably spoke.
He was probably multi-lingual.

2001
02:08:37,400 --> 02:08:39,200
I mean he's a Son of God after
all.

2002
02:08:39,200 --> 02:08:43,300
But just normal people even were
were probably multilingual

2003
02:08:43,300 --> 02:08:44,900
there, it's probably very
similar.

2004
02:08:44,900 --> 02:08:50,600
You know, you have a Israel is a
small country and it is in the

2005
02:08:50,600 --> 02:08:54,000
crossroads. okay, between
northern and southern

2006
02:08:54,000 --> 02:08:58,400
Mediterranean and Africa and
Egypt, right.

2007
02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:04,600
Um, So and you know, of course,
at the time of Jesus life, they

2008
02:09:04,600 --> 02:09:10,400
were occupied by Romans. who
spoke Latin and Greek and so,

2009
02:09:11,700 --> 02:09:16,400
yeah, the the scriptures that
were in common circulation, the

2010
02:09:16,400 --> 02:09:21,800
Old Testament, scriptures were
In Greek, there probably were

2011
02:09:21,800 --> 02:09:24,200
Hebrew and Aramaic copies
floating around too.

2012
02:09:24,200 --> 02:09:28,200
But like I said, the most of the
quotations of the Old Testament,

2013
02:09:29,200 --> 02:09:32,000
That we can find in the New
Testament like they match with

2014
02:09:32,000 --> 02:09:34,400
Septuagint.
Sometimes they match.

2015
02:09:34,400 --> 02:09:36,800
Sometimes they match with the
masoretic all.

2016
02:09:36,800 --> 02:09:41,100
So But when the masoretic and
the septic, when the, you know,

2017
02:09:41,100 --> 02:09:45,300
when the Greek and Hebrew
diverge, then the quotations

2018
02:09:45,300 --> 02:09:48,500
usually follow the Greek, the
subtitle.

2019
02:09:48,500 --> 02:09:53,200
Yeah.
Okay, so those are stubborn

2020
02:09:53,200 --> 02:09:55,700
facts.
All right.

2021
02:09:55,708 --> 02:09:58,100
Oh I'm gonna pull up another
video.

2022
02:10:02,400 --> 02:10:04,400
Okay, so this is a stick of
Joseph podcast.

2023
02:10:04,400 --> 02:10:12,000
This is a And they are, they're
talking here about Richard?

2024
02:10:13,100 --> 02:10:16,400
Friedman's book, who wrote the
Bible.

2025
02:10:17,300 --> 02:10:20,700
And they're talking specifically
about the flood story.

2026
02:10:20,700 --> 02:10:23,600
And the flood story is one of
those kind of doublets where

2027
02:10:23,600 --> 02:10:26,400
there's, there's like There's
there there.

2028
02:10:28,100 --> 02:10:31,000
Postulating that it's two
different stories that kind of

2029
02:10:31,008 --> 02:10:34,100
got matched up together.
So we're gonna we're gonna play

2030
02:10:34,100 --> 02:10:36,500
that here.
Is that we say there's markers.

2031
02:10:36,500 --> 02:10:39,300
And so, Jay has certain markers
and E has certain markers about.

2032
02:10:39,300 --> 02:10:42,100
For example, how they refer to
God his name assertions?

2033
02:10:42,100 --> 02:10:45,000
They make one author says that
Yahweh does not reveal his name.

2034
02:10:45,000 --> 02:10:47,700
Ever until he meets Moses on
Mount Sinai.

2035
02:10:47,700 --> 02:10:49,800
Well, another author says that
ain't true because God's Gonna

2036
02:10:49,800 --> 02:10:52,500
name all these are these guys
and there's oceans of these

2037
02:10:52,508 --> 02:10:54,500
isn't just one thing, right?
And they're all and they and

2038
02:10:54,500 --> 02:10:56,400
when the cars put them together,
like it's so interesting that

2039
02:10:56,400 --> 02:10:59,300
all these evidences line up.
Yeah, very little contradiction.

2040
02:11:00,800 --> 02:11:05,200
Okay, so here's here's one of
the They say with very little

2041
02:11:05,200 --> 02:11:08,000
contradictions funny.
But so here's one.

2042
02:11:08,000 --> 02:11:10,800
This is one example that they
give and this is, this is one

2043
02:11:10,800 --> 02:11:14,800
that just like, if you believe
in the restoration then and the

2044
02:11:14,800 --> 02:11:19,300
Joseph Smith translation then
Then I then I don't understand,

2045
02:11:19,300 --> 02:11:25,500
you know, but so they're saying
in Exodus, Exodus chapter 6.

2046
02:11:27,000 --> 02:11:42,000
Right here.
A Exodus chapter 6, verse 3. the

2047
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:48,700
Lord appears to Moses and says,
and I appeared unto Abraham unto

2048
02:11:48,700 --> 02:11:52,100
Isaac and unto Jacob by the name
of God Almighty.

2049
02:11:52,100 --> 02:11:57,100
But by my name, Jehovah was I
not known to them.

2050
02:11:57,800 --> 02:12:01,900
Okay now, okay, you're reading
that and you actually can go

2051
02:12:01,900 --> 02:12:05,500
through, you know, in Exodus and
read about Abraham, Isaac and

2052
02:12:05,500 --> 02:12:07,900
Jacob and the name.
Jehovah shows up.

2053
02:12:09,500 --> 02:12:11,900
So clearly this is a this is a
contradiction.

2054
02:12:13,000 --> 02:12:16,200
And therefore, you know, this
wasn't by Moses, it was, you

2055
02:12:16,200 --> 02:12:18,700
know, different authors or
different factions, right.

2056
02:12:18,700 --> 02:12:23,600
This is what Mike day here.
He's the one talking Mike day.

2057
02:12:23,600 --> 02:12:28,400
Just I like he uses that as an
evidence for this hypothesis

2058
02:12:28,400 --> 02:12:32,300
that he's teaching and this is,
you know, what Friedman in his

2059
02:12:32,308 --> 02:12:38,900
book pushes as well.
Okay, who's the guy in sitting

2060
02:12:38,900 --> 02:12:41,200
next to Mike?
Is that Dave?

2061
02:12:41,200 --> 02:12:43,700
That's Dave Butler.
John Butler.

2062
02:12:43,700 --> 02:12:48,200
Yeah.
So he's he wrote in the language

2063
02:12:48,200 --> 02:12:50,400
of Adam, that's kind of his most
recent book.

2064
02:12:52,200 --> 02:12:55,500
And that.
That borrows on a lot of these

2065
02:12:55,500 --> 02:13:02,000
ideas.
I will say too here, like I'm

2066
02:13:02,000 --> 02:13:06,200
going to Mike day and Dave
Butler, like they are some of

2067
02:13:06,208 --> 02:13:09,200
the big proponents of this and
I've been pushing this and

2068
02:13:09,200 --> 02:13:10,700
they're pushing, you know, this
book.

2069
02:13:11,700 --> 02:13:13,800
And other books like it
wellhausen book.

2070
02:13:13,800 --> 02:13:16,900
They they like it.
I don't really understand how

2071
02:13:16,900 --> 02:13:20,100
they can do that and kind of
ignore they like it's it's kind

2072
02:13:20,100 --> 02:13:25,600
of funny because they feel like
these things support the The

2073
02:13:25,600 --> 02:13:29,100
restoration.
And yet, I feel like they

2074
02:13:29,100 --> 02:13:32,100
contradict it and are not
necessary.

2075
02:13:33,000 --> 02:13:36,800
Like, I feel like you you can if
you want to know about heavenly

2076
02:13:36,800 --> 02:13:41,000
mother, you do not need to rip
out the Bible in order to do

2077
02:13:41,000 --> 02:13:46,600
that. but that is right, that is
that is the That is the fruit

2078
02:13:46,600 --> 02:13:50,000
that I feel like is coming from
these.

2079
02:13:51,200 --> 02:13:53,800
Conversations.
Now they will say they are

2080
02:13:53,800 --> 02:13:56,000
believers, okay?
So they're not atheists or

2081
02:13:56,000 --> 02:14:01,300
something.
Uh but I think that the things

2082
02:14:01,300 --> 02:14:03,200
that they're espousing like what
we just heard.

2083
02:14:03,200 --> 02:14:06,600
So we just heard Mike talked
about this, this contradiction

2084
02:14:06,600 --> 02:14:11,100
in Exodus where Jehovah says, I
wasn't known Abraham.

2085
02:14:11,100 --> 02:14:16,400
Didn't know my name.
Okay, but but he's, but Mike is

2086
02:14:16,400 --> 02:14:18,000
a Mormon, like, and I'm a
Mormon, okay?

2087
02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:20,000
Or a member of the Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter-day

2088
02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:23,300
Saints, whatever.
And, like, just down in the

2089
02:14:23,300 --> 02:14:26,200
footnote, it says, like there's
there's a jst on this that

2090
02:14:26,200 --> 02:14:32,700
actually. helps us to understand
this, it says, I'm going to read

2091
02:14:32,700 --> 02:14:34,400
the whole thing and it insert
the jst.

2092
02:14:34,400 --> 02:14:38,900
And I appeared unto Abraham unto
Isaac and unto Jacob.

2093
02:14:40,100 --> 02:14:45,700
I am the Lord Almighty the Lord,
Jehovah, and was not my name

2094
02:14:45,700 --> 02:14:49,600
known to them question, mark.
Yeah.

2095
02:14:49,600 --> 02:14:52,500
Oh interesting.
You have it open there in front

2096
02:14:52,508 --> 02:14:54,100
of us, you looking down there.
I do.

2097
02:14:54,100 --> 02:14:56,300
I do?
Yeah, I have I have an inspired

2098
02:14:56,300 --> 02:14:58,400
version that I oh excellent, I
use.

2099
02:14:58,400 --> 02:15:00,500
Um, okay.
Yeah, no.

2100
02:15:00,500 --> 02:15:03,800
And I appeared unto Abraham and
Isaac and into Jacob.

2101
02:15:04,700 --> 02:15:09,200
I am the Lord God Almighty and
the Lord Jehovah and was not my

2102
02:15:09,200 --> 02:15:11,600
name known unto them.
So here.

2103
02:15:11,600 --> 02:15:15,700
Okay, let me let me sum this up
and tell me what I'm missing

2104
02:15:15,708 --> 02:15:19,300
here.
But here we have One of the

2105
02:15:19,300 --> 02:15:24,700
places.
Where Joseph makes an inspired

2106
02:15:24,700 --> 02:15:29,800
change, right?
Well, I guess not.

2107
02:15:29,800 --> 02:15:33,700
I guess it's the same as what's
in The.

2108
02:15:36,300 --> 02:15:39,600
In Exodus, right?
Yeah, it's exactly the same.

2109
02:15:42,300 --> 02:15:46,100
Yeah, we have nonetheless.
We have Joseph second witness

2110
02:15:46,100 --> 02:15:47,000
saying?
No.

2111
02:15:47,000 --> 02:15:50,300
They they did know the name.
Jehovah.

2112
02:15:50,300 --> 02:15:53,300
Absolutely.
Now, this is, this is the thing,

2113
02:15:53,300 --> 02:15:56,000
is that the King James Bible
translates it this way.

2114
02:15:56,008 --> 02:16:00,200
Okay, But in, in ancient Hebrew
and other, you know, ancient

2115
02:16:00,200 --> 02:16:04,100
Greek and stuff too.
There's a there's very little

2116
02:16:04,100 --> 02:16:07,100
punctuation and certainly
there's not something like a

2117
02:16:07,100 --> 02:16:10,600
question mark.
And so, the thing about Hebrew

2118
02:16:10,600 --> 02:16:15,000
is that you can read it and you
can understand it as a

2119
02:16:15,000 --> 02:16:18,300
declaration or as a an
interrogatory, right?

2120
02:16:18,300 --> 02:16:25,000
As a question, and the context,
the context will guide that Oh

2121
02:16:25,000 --> 02:16:26,600
yeah, in the Joseph Smith
translation.

2122
02:16:26,600 --> 02:16:29,300
Okay, so here's where it's
interesting, right?

2123
02:16:29,300 --> 02:16:33,400
The verbage is all the same, but
in the Joseph Smith translation,

2124
02:16:33,400 --> 02:16:37,000
it's a question mark behind the
word them.

2125
02:16:37,000 --> 02:16:39,100
That's right.
And it actually that actually

2126
02:16:39,100 --> 02:16:44,100
flips, the meaning to exactly
the opposite if you have 100%

2127
02:16:44,100 --> 02:16:46,299
flips demeaning there, right?
Yes.

2128
02:16:46,299 --> 02:16:50,900
Um, but because he, he's
basically asking kind of, I

2129
02:16:50,900 --> 02:16:54,400
don't want to say rhetorically,
but he's asking sarcastically,

2130
02:16:54,400 --> 02:16:56,900
if you will, right, was, I not
known to them?

2131
02:16:56,907 --> 02:16:59,200
Did I not tell them?
My name is a rhetorical

2132
02:16:59,200 --> 02:17:00,400
question.
Yes, exactly.

2133
02:17:01,200 --> 02:17:01,799
Yes.
Yeah.

2134
02:17:01,799 --> 02:17:04,900
Saying I revealed myself to you
and I revealed and didn't I

2135
02:17:04,900 --> 02:17:06,299
reveal myself to them?
Yes.

2136
02:17:06,299 --> 02:17:10,000
And when I reveal myself to to
Joseph Smith and I won't I

2137
02:17:10,000 --> 02:17:12,000
reveal myself to everyone who
seeks me, right.

2138
02:17:12,000 --> 02:17:19,000
This is the the understanding
so, Now the what?

2139
02:17:19,000 --> 02:17:21,700
Let me, let me put this into
context because this is a big

2140
02:17:21,700 --> 02:17:23,100
one here, right?
Yeah.

2141
02:17:24,000 --> 02:17:27,299
If we take Joseph that his word,
right?

2142
02:17:28,600 --> 02:17:35,299
And the text that that Joseph
then goes back and and revises.

2143
02:17:37,799 --> 02:17:40,600
And they're basically
disagreeing with the head of the

2144
02:17:40,600 --> 02:17:42,500
dispensation.
Am I right?

2145
02:17:42,500 --> 02:17:44,100
Or am I wrong in that assertion
there?

2146
02:17:44,100 --> 02:17:47,799
I Yeah.
By by pushing that this is like

2147
02:17:47,799 --> 02:17:50,299
evidence for the documentary
hypothesis.

2148
02:17:50,299 --> 02:17:58,000
They are going against or at
least ignoring What Joseph said.

2149
02:17:58,700 --> 02:18:02,700
Yeah.
That's interesting.

2150
02:18:03,500 --> 02:18:09,400
And I don't, like I said for I
can understand this, I, you

2151
02:18:09,400 --> 02:18:13,799
know, the need for a again for
the need academically.

2152
02:18:15,200 --> 02:18:19,299
To search for a naturalistic
explanation for things.

2153
02:18:20,299 --> 02:18:24,400
Like I understand that but, you
know, I missed, I'm a chemist.

2154
02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:28,799
But if you are a Believer and
you know, you have testimony of

2155
02:18:28,807 --> 02:18:32,500
Joseph and of his work then, I
don't know why you would repeat

2156
02:18:32,500 --> 02:18:38,500
that as like evidence against.
Exodus being written by Moses,

2157
02:18:38,500 --> 02:18:41,200
you know?
Now, I will say too that the

2158
02:18:41,200 --> 02:18:43,400
King James translates, it that
way as a declaration.

2159
02:18:43,400 --> 02:18:48,400
But there are other Bibles that
recognize that this Hebrew

2160
02:18:48,400 --> 02:18:51,400
phrase ought to have a question
mark at the end.

2161
02:18:51,400 --> 02:18:54,299
And so, there are Bibles that
have question marks at the end

2162
02:18:54,299 --> 02:18:58,799
of that, Sentence as well, and
English English Bible.

2163
02:18:58,799 --> 02:19:01,799
So, Okay, I got another One
queued up here.

2164
02:19:04,100 --> 02:19:06,500
But the vision and asking these
guys whose names are really

2165
02:19:06,508 --> 02:19:09,400
awesome that I can't pronounce
but then Julius bellhousing in

2166
02:19:09,400 --> 02:19:12,100
Germany comes along and he's a
Lutheran and he sees this

2167
02:19:12,100 --> 02:19:14,500
development and this editing
that takes place in these

2168
02:19:14,500 --> 02:19:15,799
multiple sources and he's
totally all in.

2169
02:19:15,799 --> 02:19:18,100
He's reading the Bible, not as a
privilege text, what?

2170
02:19:18,100 --> 02:19:19,700
I mean by that is he doesn't
read it because it says God

2171
02:19:19,700 --> 02:19:21,600
said, it, therefore everything
in here is perfect.

2172
02:19:21,600 --> 02:19:22,600
He looks at it as.
Okay.

2173
02:19:22,600 --> 02:19:25,100
Well, how would I approach is a
scholar and read it and read it

2174
02:19:25,108 --> 02:19:27,100
with a critical?
I not criticizing it to like dis

2175
02:19:27,100 --> 02:19:28,400
it.
But to what is it doing?

2176
02:19:28,400 --> 02:19:30,299
What are its assertions?
And so he comes to the

2177
02:19:30,307 --> 02:19:31,700
conclusion.
As Dave talked about that,

2178
02:19:31,700 --> 02:19:34,100
there's an editor who has lots
of sources and he's compiling

2179
02:19:34,100 --> 02:19:36,700
them and he has in his mind die,
a theological view of place

2180
02:19:36,700 --> 02:19:39,700
where he's trying to go and then
he publishes a book called and I

2181
02:19:39,700 --> 02:19:42,200
can never say the first word Pro
legomena of the history of

2182
02:19:42,200 --> 02:19:44,600
Israel and he publishes it
around 1878.

2183
02:19:44,600 --> 02:19:47,200
Now this is important because
think about what Joseph Smith

2184
02:19:47,200 --> 02:19:49,000
does.
And think about his assertions,

2185
02:19:49,000 --> 02:19:51,900
he says in 1829.
So we're prior 50 years prior to

2186
02:19:51,900 --> 02:19:54,100
wellhausen bell housing I have a
book.

2187
02:19:55,200 --> 02:19:57,300
There's an editor.
And his name is Mormon.

2188
02:19:57,300 --> 02:19:58,000
What does he have in front of
him?

2189
02:19:58,000 --> 02:20:00,800
A lot of Records bunch of
sources, and what does he do

2190
02:20:00,808 --> 02:20:03,100
with them Bridges?
He's editing them.

2191
02:20:03,100 --> 02:20:04,600
And by the way, does he have in
his mind die at theological

2192
02:20:04,600 --> 02:20:06,300
place?
He wants to take this and a

2193
02:20:06,300 --> 02:20:07,800
message.
Could you say he's biased?

2194
02:20:07,800 --> 02:20:10,200
Yeah, but he's also doing
history.

2195
02:20:10,200 --> 02:20:11,600
Just think about what that
saying.

2196
02:20:12,300 --> 02:20:13,800
I just want to drop that there
and go.

2197
02:20:13,800 --> 02:20:15,100
That's really interesting.
You see what I'm saying?

2198
02:20:15,100 --> 02:20:21,900
So I mean okay, so I'm gonna
tell you the so this is this is

2199
02:20:21,900 --> 02:20:25,200
interesting and I think this is
a it's kind of a Sneaky thing

2200
02:20:25,200 --> 02:20:28,000
that I do.
Yeah, it's like making

2201
02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:32,600
equivalents between Vols
documentary hypothesis and what

2202
02:20:32,600 --> 02:20:35,400
Mormon does to compile The Book
of Mormon.

2203
02:20:38,400 --> 02:20:42,300
Yeah, and so he like makes this
equivalence and, and I think

2204
02:20:42,300 --> 02:20:45,700
it's again, it's if you don't
think about it too much, it's

2205
02:20:45,700 --> 02:20:48,600
very enticing.
Like, oh yeah, I can like relate

2206
02:20:48,600 --> 02:20:50,000
to that.
That's what we, that's how we

2207
02:20:50,008 --> 02:20:51,700
will.
I know this thing about the Book

2208
02:20:51,700 --> 02:20:56,000
of Mormon and now, I can like,
tie the the Bible to this kind

2209
02:20:56,000 --> 02:21:01,000
of process as well, except that
They'll housing doesn't believe

2210
02:21:01,000 --> 02:21:08,200
that Moses existed, you know.
Mormon believed that Nephi and

2211
02:21:08,200 --> 02:21:12,100
Jacob and Alma existed, right?
We believe that those were

2212
02:21:12,100 --> 02:21:16,900
inspired men and yes, Mormon, a
Bridges and compiles things, but

2213
02:21:16,900 --> 02:21:19,300
the documentary had hypothesis
says no.

2214
02:21:19,300 --> 02:21:24,600
There those people.
Those people did not exist and

2215
02:21:24,600 --> 02:21:27,600
those, these are stories that
were just put together to

2216
02:21:27,600 --> 02:21:31,200
control the people, you know?
I mean, and you don't have to

2217
02:21:31,200 --> 02:21:34,300
believe what believes
necessarily, but to like try to

2218
02:21:34,300 --> 02:21:37,600
make this equivalent so that
it's like palatable to a Mormon

2219
02:21:37,600 --> 02:21:39,200
ear.
I find a little bit

2220
02:21:39,200 --> 02:21:43,200
disingenuous.
Yeah, no, I yeah.

2221
02:21:44,700 --> 02:21:49,200
I, I see that quite a bit and
the the other thing that I would

2222
02:21:49,200 --> 02:21:51,700
see that's problematic.
Is.

2223
02:21:53,200 --> 02:21:56,600
Unlike the Book of Mormon, where
Mormon tells you what he's

2224
02:21:56,600 --> 02:22:00,100
doing, right?
You don't have necessarily the

2225
02:22:00,100 --> 02:22:02,600
same thing for the five books of
Moses.

2226
02:22:03,200 --> 02:22:06,100
You don't have someone saying
look, I'm making an enrichment,

2227
02:22:06,100 --> 02:22:09,700
right?
And so they have yes, it's

2228
02:22:09,700 --> 02:22:13,200
different in that way as well.
And so there, there are scribing

2229
02:22:13,200 --> 02:22:17,000
meaning to something.
And I'd like to know I shouldn't

2230
02:22:17,000 --> 02:22:18,800
say meaning.
There are scribing intense

2231
02:22:18,800 --> 02:22:20,800
somewhere and I'd like to know
where where it is.

2232
02:22:20,800 --> 02:22:22,900
They they they're hanging their
hat.

2233
02:22:23,700 --> 02:22:25,500
On that intent.
I mean maybe they have

2234
02:22:25,500 --> 02:22:28,900
something, right?
I, I've watched these guys a few

2235
02:22:28,908 --> 02:22:32,700
times.
Um, I, I genus usually like most

2236
02:22:32,700 --> 02:22:35,700
of what they have to say but
this one, I would say, okay,

2237
02:22:35,700 --> 02:22:39,000
where, where you making that
inference from what?

2238
02:22:39,000 --> 02:22:42,000
What are you hanging?
Your hat on here?

2239
02:22:42,900 --> 02:22:48,300
To say that the the author or
authors depending on your view

2240
02:22:48,300 --> 02:22:51,300
of this.
We're making an enrichment.

2241
02:22:52,300 --> 02:22:54,200
Right?
I don't see any place.

2242
02:22:54,200 --> 02:22:58,200
You're you're you you have to
you have to take a guess, you

2243
02:22:58,208 --> 02:23:01,300
don't have to do that with the
Book of Mormon because Mormon

2244
02:23:01,300 --> 02:23:02,700
tells you what he's doing,
right?

2245
02:23:02,700 --> 02:23:06,800
I'm making an abridgment, he
States his intent right there.

2246
02:23:06,800 --> 02:23:10,500
You don't have that anywhere in
the five books of Moses.

2247
02:23:10,500 --> 02:23:11,400
Am I right?
Or am I wrong?

2248
02:23:11,400 --> 02:23:12,500
In that job?
You are correct?

2249
02:23:12,500 --> 02:23:16,200
Yeah, it is a false equivalence
and, you know, but it's just to

2250
02:23:16,200 --> 02:23:20,900
it just bait for Mormon ears.
So, you know, this is the, this

2251
02:23:20,900 --> 02:23:23,400
is the book that they're pushing
in this, you can see there right

2252
02:23:23,400 --> 02:23:25,800
in the middle.
This is what this is, what

2253
02:23:25,800 --> 02:23:28,000
Richard Elliott says.
On this, this book that they're

2254
02:23:28,000 --> 02:23:31,900
pushing Richard Elliot says, on
page 14, Until the past

2255
02:23:31,900 --> 02:23:35,800
generation.
So recently, there were Orthodox

2256
02:23:35,800 --> 02:23:39,500
Christian and Jewish Scholars
who contested the documentary

2257
02:23:39,500 --> 02:23:42,700
hypothesis in scholarly, the
article's at present.

2258
02:23:42,700 --> 02:23:45,900
However, there is hardly a
Biblical scholar in the world

2259
02:23:45,900 --> 02:23:49,800
actively working on the problem,
who would claim that the five

2260
02:23:49,800 --> 02:23:53,500
books of Moses were written, by
Moses or by anyone person.

2261
02:23:54,300 --> 02:23:57,100
The critical analysis or
authorship has all been extended

2262
02:23:57,100 --> 02:24:00,900
beyond the five books of Moses.
And as touched every book of the

2263
02:24:00,900 --> 02:24:03,600
Bible, even the book of Obadiah,
which is only one page.

2264
02:24:03,600 --> 02:24:06,900
Long has been thought to be a
combination of pieces by two

2265
02:24:06,900 --> 02:24:11,000
different authors.
Hmm, like there's not a single

2266
02:24:11,000 --> 02:24:16,900
book in the Bible that was
actually written by inspiration

2267
02:24:16,900 --> 02:24:20,900
in the way that the book claims
they're all process of Natural

2268
02:24:20,900 --> 02:24:24,300
Evolution.
That is that is what is what

2269
02:24:24,308 --> 02:24:27,300
this book.
That they are that they are

2270
02:24:27,300 --> 02:24:35,200
pushing teaches.
It's crazy. so drop anyway, like

2271
02:24:35,200 --> 02:24:38,400
I said, like, I understand In
academic.

2272
02:24:39,200 --> 02:24:41,400
Circles.
The need to have natural

2273
02:24:41,400 --> 02:24:46,900
explanations for everything. and
I and I prefer that for the most

2274
02:24:46,900 --> 02:24:50,700
part, but, you know, I have I
have spiritual Witnesses of

2275
02:24:50,700 --> 02:24:53,200
things, too.
That That I also.

2276
02:24:54,600 --> 02:24:57,000
Put stock in.
Look cute.

2277
02:24:57,000 --> 02:25:00,600
It's one thing for a dude like
me, who's kind of a meathead to

2278
02:25:00,600 --> 02:25:06,600
be like You know, I I prayed
about this and and this is what

2279
02:25:06,600 --> 02:25:09,800
I came to and that's all I have
to hang my hat on for me.

2280
02:25:09,800 --> 02:25:11,300
That's enough, right?
I get it.

2281
02:25:11,300 --> 02:25:14,700
When I find something that makes
it line up.

2282
02:25:14,700 --> 02:25:17,300
Otherwise, that's fine.
But Josh, you're coming from a

2283
02:25:17,300 --> 02:25:19,700
different place.
I mean, like you're you're a

2284
02:25:19,700 --> 02:25:24,000
scientist, right?
I mean, So I find that to be

2285
02:25:24,008 --> 02:25:25,800
interesting as well.
Yeah.

2286
02:25:26,900 --> 02:25:28,600
Yeah.
Okay.

2287
02:25:28,600 --> 02:25:30,500
Yeah.
I mean, I have a, I have kind of

2288
02:25:30,508 --> 02:25:36,400
a jaded view on science as well,
because you know, as an Insider

2289
02:25:36,400 --> 02:25:43,000
like I know full well that Most
most scientific papers are.

2290
02:25:44,300 --> 02:25:48,200
Are fudged are, are falsified in
some way.

2291
02:25:49,100 --> 02:25:52,400
There's a huge, there's a huge
pressure to publish those

2292
02:25:52,400 --> 02:25:55,300
things.
And like you're 10 year and your

2293
02:25:55,300 --> 02:25:58,900
employment depends on publishing
and not just to say that it's

2294
02:25:58,900 --> 02:26:01,000
all garbage but it's mostly
garbage.

2295
02:26:02,400 --> 02:26:03,500
Yeah.
No I hear you.

2296
02:26:03,500 --> 02:26:06,500
Okay, let's continue.
So I got another one more clip

2297
02:26:06,500 --> 02:26:07,600
here from this one.
I think North.

2298
02:26:07,600 --> 02:26:08,700
Yeah, I do.
I see that.

2299
02:26:08,700 --> 02:26:10,900
Well, here's the question, do
these accounts ever contradict

2300
02:26:10,900 --> 02:26:13,400
each other?
That is such a good question.

2301
02:26:13,400 --> 02:26:16,700
In a sense, they all do, right?
Let's get to the Noah and just

2302
02:26:16,700 --> 02:26:23,900
one minute.
Let me just patriarch's wife

2303
02:26:23,900 --> 02:26:26,400
gets lost after by the king.
Is that is it Isaac or is it?

2304
02:26:27,400 --> 02:26:31,300
Okay, so that we talked about
the Sarah with the two stories

2305
02:26:31,300 --> 02:26:36,200
and all so Isaac with Rebecca.
And like this.

2306
02:26:36,900 --> 02:26:40,300
I kind of, I am I get
embarrassed sometimes listening

2307
02:26:40,300 --> 02:26:45,600
to the logic that's behind some
of these arguments like, well,

2308
02:26:45,600 --> 02:26:51,000
there's two stories, therefore
Therefore there must be two

2309
02:26:51,000 --> 02:26:53,700
authors.
It couldn't be that like a

2310
02:26:53,700 --> 02:26:58,900
similar thing happened. right,
it just like that does not the

2311
02:26:59,900 --> 02:27:04,800
the assertion does not logically
follow from the observation, but

2312
02:27:04,800 --> 02:27:08,500
there's no way like nowhere in
history.

2313
02:27:08,500 --> 02:27:11,700
Do we find monarchs lusting?
After other men's wives, never

2314
02:27:11,700 --> 02:27:14,500
right?
You know, I just accept in

2315
02:27:14,500 --> 02:27:17,700
Egypt.
Except, you know, in Israel with

2316
02:27:17,700 --> 02:27:22,100
David and except with Premiere
all throughout your up, right?

2317
02:27:22,100 --> 02:27:25,700
Like I just like it's a thing
that's what monarchs do.

2318
02:27:25,708 --> 02:27:29,200
Well, you know, that's what
corrupt him on our two, the

2319
02:27:29,200 --> 02:27:31,100
right?
They yeah, yes I did.

2320
02:27:31,100 --> 02:27:35,100
Okay, here we go.
So now, so here's the here's the

2321
02:27:35,100 --> 02:27:36,800
argument, right?
Is that, is that we've already

2322
02:27:36,808 --> 02:27:39,200
said this, but that the flood
story is not one.

2323
02:27:39,200 --> 02:27:41,100
Flood story.
It is two and they haven't been

2324
02:27:41,100 --> 02:27:43,000
jammed together.
So number both of the northern

2325
02:27:43,000 --> 02:27:44,800
and southern Kingdom.
Remember to flood story, but

2326
02:27:44,800 --> 02:27:46,300
they were different in
significant particular.

2327
02:27:46,300 --> 02:27:48,100
Okay?
And somebody in the court of

2328
02:27:48,108 --> 02:27:50,800
Hezekiah, didn't put them in in
succession or didn't like say,

2329
02:27:50,800 --> 02:27:52,500
well one must have been in
Phoenix day or something, which

2330
02:27:52,500 --> 02:27:54,700
is another technique sometimes
use, he just interlace them.

2331
02:27:54,700 --> 02:27:57,600
So we went through and jammed
two complete accounts of the

2332
02:27:57,600 --> 02:28:00,900
flood together into one and we
don't notice it because we tend

2333
02:28:00,900 --> 02:28:03,200
to sort of just turn our brain
off and mechanically read as we

2334
02:28:03,200 --> 02:28:06,300
go through.
And I know we say this a lot

2335
02:28:06,308 --> 02:28:09,400
that will put in the description
and sometimes we most times we

2336
02:28:09,408 --> 02:28:12,200
come through on that.
Sorry there's a little further

2337
02:28:12,200 --> 02:28:16,800
than I wanted to go but okay.
So they they actually go

2338
02:28:16,800 --> 02:28:18,500
through.
I'm not gonna listen to the

2339
02:28:18,500 --> 02:28:23,600
whole thing, but they go through
and You know, they split The

2340
02:28:23,600 --> 02:28:29,500
Narrative of the flood into like
two separate narratives and read

2341
02:28:29,500 --> 02:28:32,800
them side by side and comment
about their differences.

2342
02:28:32,800 --> 02:28:37,500
And you know, and then opine
about, you know, the difference

2343
02:28:37,500 --> 02:28:40,800
is between the northern and
southern Kingdom, the J and the

2344
02:28:40,800 --> 02:28:43,400
E.
The actually, this is the the J

2345
02:28:43,400 --> 02:28:49,500
and the P sources, but p and E
are like together sometimes

2346
02:28:49,500 --> 02:28:57,800
anyway, um, so you know they say
There's contradictions.

2347
02:28:57,800 --> 02:29:01,900
So the first version P says that
it rained for 40 nights and 40

2348
02:29:01,900 --> 02:29:04,700
days.
And then they asked how long was

2349
02:29:04,700 --> 02:29:08,900
the flood?
And it's like well the flood

2350
02:29:08,900 --> 02:29:12,600
lasted for about a year but it
said that it rained for 40 days

2351
02:29:12,600 --> 02:29:15,500
and 40 nights.
And and they say, well, that's a

2352
02:29:15,508 --> 02:29:17,500
contradiction.
Do you do you think that's a

2353
02:29:17,500 --> 02:29:18,200
contradiction?
Dave?

2354
02:29:18,200 --> 02:29:20,000
Was that hard to understand for
you?

2355
02:29:21,000 --> 02:29:23,800
Oh no.
I I was thinking, you know,

2356
02:29:23,808 --> 02:29:26,500
don't we have some of this in
the New Testament accounts as

2357
02:29:26,500 --> 02:29:30,200
well, or maybe not out now.
Conjugations, but they

2358
02:29:30,200 --> 02:29:32,900
definitely emphasize different
parts of the same account,

2359
02:29:32,900 --> 02:29:34,300
right?
Yeah.

2360
02:29:34,300 --> 02:29:37,300
That's actually a good way to
put it.

2361
02:29:37,300 --> 02:29:40,100
So no, I don't think.
So.

2362
02:29:40,100 --> 02:29:42,900
This is actually like, I thought
of this example, this is kind of

2363
02:29:42,908 --> 02:29:44,200
an example.
Like, have you ever had a

2364
02:29:44,208 --> 02:29:48,500
flooded basement?
I know I have not yet had the

2365
02:29:48,500 --> 02:29:51,600
privilege or the honor of that,
you need to immediately find a

2366
02:29:51,600 --> 02:29:53,300
piece of wood and knock on it
right now.

2367
02:29:55,800 --> 02:29:58,500
Okay, okay, good for you, good
for you.

2368
02:29:58,500 --> 02:30:03,500
So you just my examples, gonna
fall flat here but suppose

2369
02:30:03,500 --> 02:30:08,100
suppose, then that I was talking
to a different Dave Sanders who

2370
02:30:08,100 --> 02:30:11,800
had had a flooded basement
before And I was gonna ask you

2371
02:30:11,800 --> 02:30:16,800
how long was it flooded?
And you know, usually you'd say

2372
02:30:16,800 --> 02:30:21,100
a couple of days because and
then I'd ask another question.

2373
02:30:21,100 --> 02:30:23,400
Well, how long were the pipes
leaking?

2374
02:30:23,400 --> 02:30:30,200
And you say, you know, a couple
of hours because, What happens

2375
02:30:30,200 --> 02:30:34,400
usually is the the water leaks
out, and then you fix the

2376
02:30:34,400 --> 02:30:37,600
plumbing first.
And then you start cleaning up

2377
02:30:37,600 --> 02:30:39,100
the mess.
Right.

2378
02:30:39,100 --> 02:30:42,900
And cleaning up the mess
depending on how many inches or

2379
02:30:42,900 --> 02:30:45,300
feet of water or in your
basement that might take.

2380
02:30:46,300 --> 02:30:49,400
Days to pump everything out, and
then to let everything dry,

2381
02:30:49,400 --> 02:30:50,700
right?
Right.

2382
02:30:50,700 --> 02:30:55,300
And so now, Now, that's like
just a normal storytelling.

2383
02:30:55,300 --> 02:30:59,300
But if you were a documentary
hypothesis And you heard someone

2384
02:30:59,300 --> 02:31:01,500
tell this story what you would
say.

2385
02:31:02,500 --> 02:31:06,400
You would say, aha.
There's two different versions

2386
02:31:06,400 --> 02:31:12,000
here. and it must be, it must be
that like, you and your wife

2387
02:31:12,000 --> 02:31:17,300
have different versions of the
story because And you just said

2388
02:31:17,300 --> 02:31:21,000
both of them kind of Blended
together so as not to offend her

2389
02:31:21,000 --> 02:31:23,800
because there's obviously
tension in your relationship.

2390
02:31:23,800 --> 02:31:26,600
Otherwise, why would you need to
preserve both accounts?

2391
02:31:26,600 --> 02:31:28,900
You are obviously the shorter
time.

2392
02:31:28,900 --> 02:31:32,200
Like you said that it was only a
couple of hours before the pipes

2393
02:31:32,200 --> 02:31:36,500
were fixed but then, but then it
was days for the water to go

2394
02:31:36,500 --> 02:31:41,500
away and that's a contradiction.
But obviously you're saying the

2395
02:31:41,500 --> 02:31:45,300
shorter time because men
naturally have the job of fixing

2396
02:31:45,300 --> 02:31:47,200
things when they break.
So you would want to make

2397
02:31:47,200 --> 02:31:50,300
yourself appear in the best
light possible while her

2398
02:31:50,300 --> 02:31:52,800
recollection of how long it took
for you to fix.

2399
02:31:52,800 --> 02:31:56,500
The pipes is, which is not
really how long it was wet is

2400
02:31:56,500 --> 02:31:59,200
probably more accurate.
Since she is not incentivized to

2401
02:31:59,200 --> 02:32:02,100
lie or embellish the facts for
the sake of her own reputation.

2402
02:32:02,100 --> 02:32:05,600
In fact, the longer length is
probably the older or original

2403
02:32:05,600 --> 02:32:09,600
story but the shorter length of
time began to be reported and

2404
02:32:09,600 --> 02:32:12,800
told as a rebuttal in order to
for you to save face.

2405
02:32:14,100 --> 02:32:17,500
Holy cow.
So this is, this is how this is,

2406
02:32:17,500 --> 02:32:21,100
how the documentary hypothesis
will pick apart stories.

2407
02:32:21,100 --> 02:32:25,700
If you say, My basement flooded
and the pipes were leaking for

2408
02:32:25,700 --> 02:32:29,000
two hours and then it took us
two days for the water to go

2409
02:32:29,000 --> 02:32:32,000
away.
Say ah, wow.

2410
02:32:32,000 --> 02:32:35,100
That was there's a two different
stories you're telling there and

2411
02:32:35,100 --> 02:32:39,200
we can figure out from Clues who
the authors of these two

2412
02:32:39,200 --> 02:32:41,500
different stories are and what
their motivations are for

2413
02:32:41,500 --> 02:32:43,500
telling these different stories,
you know?

2414
02:32:43,508 --> 02:32:45,800
And so this is the kind of this
is the kind, this is exactly the

2415
02:32:45,800 --> 02:32:51,000
kind of analysis that happens.
So in all actuality they're just

2416
02:32:51,000 --> 02:32:53,500
emphasizing different parts of
the same story, right?

2417
02:32:53,500 --> 02:32:56,800
They're talking about how long
it rained versus how long the

2418
02:32:56,800 --> 02:32:58,900
water was was covering the
Earth.

2419
02:32:58,900 --> 02:33:01,400
That's exactly right.
But then they think we've

2420
02:33:01,400 --> 02:33:04,500
identified different authors,
we've identified various Styles

2421
02:33:04,500 --> 02:33:08,200
and and the details that they're
interested in, we identify the

2422
02:33:08,200 --> 02:33:10,700
motive for the discrepancy,
we've identified the timing and

2423
02:33:10,700 --> 02:33:13,300
the evolution of the story.
See I can tell all these things

2424
02:33:13,300 --> 02:33:17,400
about you and your wife and your
different versions of the story

2425
02:33:17,400 --> 02:33:20,300
because of this contradiction
that I detected, right?

2426
02:33:21,500 --> 02:33:24,300
So anyway, I think it's I think
it's embarrassing when when

2427
02:33:24,300 --> 02:33:27,600
people hear experts talk, this
is where I was going to bring up

2428
02:33:27,600 --> 02:33:30,900
the like the wine I guess the
wine on an empty stomach.

2429
02:33:30,900 --> 02:33:34,500
But here's an expert talk about
something and they just let

2430
02:33:34,500 --> 02:33:38,300
their brain fall out like oh
that's a really interesting that

2431
02:33:38,300 --> 02:33:41,200
you can tell all this stuff from
all these Clues, right?

2432
02:33:41,200 --> 02:33:45,600
So, anyway, so here's a funny
thing, I'm going to actually

2433
02:33:46,800 --> 02:33:49,800
Stop sharing this and I'm going
to share something else here.

2434
02:33:50,800 --> 02:33:54,500
Okay.
So hopefully you can see this.

2435
02:33:54,500 --> 02:33:56,600
Yep, got it.
Okay.

2436
02:33:56,600 --> 02:34:01,800
Can you see that?
Yep. so this is the this is the

2437
02:34:01,800 --> 02:34:05,200
thing that documentary
hypothesis, you know, don't

2438
02:34:06,100 --> 02:34:09,200
Appreciate or realize is that
sometimes?

2439
02:34:10,100 --> 02:34:13,700
Things are said by hebraic
authors more than once.

2440
02:34:14,800 --> 02:34:19,000
Simply for poetic reasons.
This is Kai Ausmus, right?

2441
02:34:19,000 --> 02:34:21,500
This is a chiasm.
This is the story.

2442
02:34:22,600 --> 02:34:30,000
Of the flood and it is a
beautiful and precise them.

2443
02:34:31,700 --> 02:34:35,400
That.
Has as its Center that God

2444
02:34:35,400 --> 02:34:38,000
remembered Noah and ends the
flood.

2445
02:34:38,900 --> 02:34:43,000
And it is, it is a beautiful in
its structure.

2446
02:34:44,000 --> 02:34:47,400
And the crazy thing is, is that
the documentary hypothesis and I

2447
02:34:47,408 --> 02:34:50,000
put up here, I don't know if you
can you probably can't see my

2448
02:34:50,000 --> 02:34:51,500
mouse, can you see my mouse?
You can't.

2449
02:34:51,500 --> 02:34:54,900
Yeah I can't.
I can see here rolling around.

2450
02:34:54,900 --> 02:35:01,600
Okay good. so, I have put the,
the different sources so Richard

2451
02:35:01,600 --> 02:35:03,000
Elliott.
He has in the back.

2452
02:35:03,000 --> 02:35:05,100
He has an appendix where he
looks okay.

2453
02:35:06,900 --> 02:35:09,200
He has a more, he has a more
thorough.

2454
02:35:09,900 --> 02:35:12,800
Book called The Bible and its
sources.

2455
02:35:13,500 --> 02:35:15,900
But in the back of this book who
wrote the Bible, he has kind of

2456
02:35:15,900 --> 02:35:19,200
an abbreviated version of that.
And yeah, all the different

2457
02:35:19,200 --> 02:35:22,500
verses throughout the Torah and
which of the authors he thinks

2458
02:35:22,500 --> 02:35:24,400
are most likely to have written
it.

2459
02:35:24,400 --> 02:35:26,700
So, I have those here.
So the flood story is split

2460
02:35:26,700 --> 02:35:31,900
between the the Jehovah's or the
yahwist source and the Priestly

2461
02:35:31,900 --> 02:35:34,900
source.
Okay, amazing thing is.

2462
02:35:34,900 --> 02:35:39,100
This supposedly was written by
this this poem here.

2463
02:35:40,100 --> 02:35:43,600
Was written by two different
kind of Warring arguing,

2464
02:35:43,600 --> 02:35:47,000
factions of people and
everywhere where they have an

2465
02:35:47,000 --> 02:35:51,300
asterisk here.
So, Shem ham and japheth are

2466
02:35:51,300 --> 02:35:52,700
introduced into the story right
here.

2467
02:35:52,700 --> 02:35:55,600
In Genesis 6 verses 9 through
11.

2468
02:35:55,600 --> 02:35:59,000
I haven't in that was you know a
signed to the Priestly Source.

2469
02:35:59,000 --> 02:36:02,700
I have an asterisk here because
if you go to B Prime then Shem

2470
02:36:02,700 --> 02:36:05,500
ham and japheth, they are
introduced again off.

2471
02:36:05,500 --> 02:36:09,100
The they come off the boat, but
this was written by the yahweh's

2472
02:36:09,100 --> 02:36:13,200
source.
So, basically P and J are just

2473
02:36:13,208 --> 02:36:15,200
like completing each other's
thoughts.

2474
02:36:16,900 --> 02:36:21,300
In an amazing number of these
parts of the chiasmus here.

2475
02:36:23,000 --> 02:36:28,900
So that seems pretty miraculous.
That this would just like

2476
02:36:28,900 --> 02:36:35,700
spontaneously arise from from
this without the other and even,

2477
02:36:35,700 --> 02:36:40,300
even when it doesn't.
So if I have so this one God

2478
02:36:40,300 --> 02:36:45,300
makes a covenant with Noah.
Okay, Janice chapter 6 verse 18,

2479
02:36:45,300 --> 02:36:47,500
that's the Priestly Source you
go to E Prime.

2480
02:36:48,300 --> 02:36:51,700
God makes a covenant with All
Flesh, and this is all by the

2481
02:36:51,700 --> 02:36:55,700
Priestly.
So either way, it's not good for

2482
02:36:55,700 --> 02:36:59,500
the documentary hypothesis.
One is there's two different

2483
02:36:59,500 --> 02:37:04,000
authors who are like far apart
from each other in time and

2484
02:37:04,000 --> 02:37:08,400
space writing this poem
together, that just is perfect

2485
02:37:08,400 --> 02:37:13,500
in its form, or you have A
single author that is actually

2486
02:37:13,500 --> 02:37:16,600
repeating himself.
Which according to the

2487
02:37:16,600 --> 02:37:19,200
documentary hypothesis is
evidence for multiple authors.

2488
02:37:20,900 --> 02:37:23,900
So that's not good either.
You know, what's a better

2489
02:37:23,908 --> 02:37:27,600
hypothesis is that this was one
person who wrote a poem.

2490
02:37:28,600 --> 02:37:31,200
Yeah.
Yeah I see what.

2491
02:37:31,200 --> 02:37:32,500
Yep, I see where you're going
there.

2492
02:37:32,500 --> 02:37:35,800
You know it.
Oh, that's the other crazy

2493
02:37:35,800 --> 02:37:38,200
thing.
Is, you have a couple of Mormon

2494
02:37:38,200 --> 02:37:45,000
guys like Speaking against
chiasmus, you know?

2495
02:37:45,000 --> 02:37:48,000
That's just so one thing that
you really can, hang your hat on

2496
02:37:48,000 --> 02:37:52,000
the iron, the divine origin for
the Book of Mormon, right?

2497
02:37:52,000 --> 02:37:56,000
Yeah, yeah.
The McCormick is has beautiful

2498
02:37:56,000 --> 02:37:59,800
classic structures full of it.
The Bible does too in other

2499
02:37:59,808 --> 02:38:02,500
places.
Um, and yeah, that is evidence

2500
02:38:02,500 --> 02:38:07,700
evidence for the like, the
authenticity, the break or

2501
02:38:07,700 --> 02:38:13,500
origins of the Book of Mormon.
So, Okay, I'm gonna stop that.

2502
02:38:14,300 --> 02:38:20,600
I mean go to another video.
okay, so here they're talking

2503
02:38:20,600 --> 02:38:23,700
about again, a different term
about the differences in animals

2504
02:38:23,700 --> 02:38:29,600
because Noah is commanded to
bring pairs of all the animals

2505
02:38:29,600 --> 02:38:31,800
except for the clean animals,
which are supposed to bring

2506
02:38:31,800 --> 02:38:35,000
seven pairs.
But single player of the rest.

2507
02:38:35,000 --> 02:38:37,500
And so after six verse 3 where
God says, I've never told

2508
02:38:37,500 --> 02:38:39,600
anybody my name is Yahweh Moses,
let me let you in on a secret.

2509
02:38:39,608 --> 02:38:42,000
Well, just read everything
before that and go, you know, if

2510
02:38:42,000 --> 02:38:43,500
there's many times in Genesis,
something's afoot at the Circle

2511
02:38:43,508 --> 02:38:44,700
K, right?
Like something's happening.

2512
02:38:44,708 --> 02:38:48,400
That's what we just read, are
their conflicts.

2513
02:38:48,400 --> 02:38:49,700
Yeah, there's a conflict in the
Noah story, right?

2514
02:38:49,700 --> 02:38:53,200
Like some of the days.
You can reconcile like well, no,

2515
02:38:53,200 --> 02:38:56,900
it rain 40, but the water was
still there for 150, but the one

2516
02:38:56,900 --> 02:38:58,600
story says seven pairs of clean
animals.

2517
02:38:58,600 --> 02:39:00,900
The other story says, two pairs
of clean animals.

2518
02:39:02,100 --> 02:39:03,700
Like that's it, it's one.
It's one or the other, right?

2519
02:39:05,100 --> 02:39:07,400
Okay.
All right.

2520
02:39:07,408 --> 02:39:15,200
Now I won't go to the I won't go
to the the scripture and read it

2521
02:39:15,200 --> 02:39:20,000
but I will just say like this is
another example of like you you

2522
02:39:20,000 --> 02:39:22,800
have to, you have to
intentionally like you have to

2523
02:39:22,800 --> 02:39:24,800
play dumb.
You have to intentionally

2524
02:39:24,800 --> 02:39:33,400
misunderstand the text.
But he goes on, actually, in

2525
02:39:33,400 --> 02:39:36,100
this to say this is the great
thing about the LDS position is

2526
02:39:36,100 --> 02:39:40,000
that you don't have to believe
in, okay, but we're not we're

2527
02:39:40,000 --> 02:39:41,600
not talking about just like
mistakes here.

2528
02:39:41,600 --> 02:39:44,900
We're talking about Like fraud,
and we're talking about, like,

2529
02:39:44,900 --> 02:39:48,800
making up stories.
And just like slapping them

2530
02:39:48,800 --> 02:39:50,800
together.
Like it's it's more than just

2531
02:39:52,000 --> 02:39:53,900
biblical inerrancy that we're
talking about.

2532
02:39:59,000 --> 02:40:02,700
So, What what actually what
actually happens.

2533
02:40:02,700 --> 02:40:07,700
Let's see in in Genesis.
It says, at one point it says,

2534
02:40:08,900 --> 02:40:11,700
It says seven pairs of clean
animals.

2535
02:40:11,700 --> 02:40:16,200
And then it tell and then it
says that the animals went on

2536
02:40:16,200 --> 02:40:20,900
the ark two by two.
The clean animals and the

2537
02:40:20,900 --> 02:40:26,500
unclean animals went two by two.
Well, two by two.

2538
02:40:26,500 --> 02:40:30,800
Just That this is the crazy
thing is that this two by two,

2539
02:40:30,800 --> 02:40:34,200
they're saying this is what this
is saying is that the clean

2540
02:40:34,200 --> 02:40:35,700
animals there was only two of
the clean animals.

2541
02:40:36,600 --> 02:40:39,800
When really, it's just
describing how they walked up

2542
02:40:39,800 --> 02:40:42,100
the ramp.
C.

2543
02:40:42,900 --> 02:40:45,500
They went up the ramp a pair at
a time.

2544
02:40:46,300 --> 02:40:48,500
And it actually does not
contradict.

2545
02:40:49,700 --> 02:40:52,900
Yes.
Read the text and just try to

2546
02:40:52,900 --> 02:40:57,800
understand what it's saying.
It's not that difficult to see

2547
02:40:57,800 --> 02:41:00,700
what it's saying, but they make
a big deal about it, like you

2548
02:41:00,700 --> 02:41:03,800
like they just play dumb
intentionally misunderstand it.

2549
02:41:04,500 --> 02:41:06,600
And say this is clearly a
contradiction.

2550
02:41:06,600 --> 02:41:10,200
It's like man say it's like I
don't know if you've ever talked

2551
02:41:10,200 --> 02:41:13,700
with the if your kids like my
kids are lawyers, my kids are a

2552
02:41:13,700 --> 02:41:16,300
little lawyers and they like
will if they can intentionally

2553
02:41:16,300 --> 02:41:18,200
misunderstand.
What you are saying?

2554
02:41:18,200 --> 02:41:20,100
Oh yeah.
Well like that is.

2555
02:41:20,100 --> 02:41:24,700
Oh, what's happening here?
It's it's a little bit childish

2556
02:41:24,700 --> 02:41:31,000
as far as Not to like and I
don't want to be careful here.

2557
02:41:31,000 --> 02:41:37,600
I'm I like my day and Dave
Butler and I like the things

2558
02:41:37,600 --> 02:41:40,900
they write and say that they,
they're obviously learned men,

2559
02:41:40,900 --> 02:41:45,500
they are Scholars and they have
a lot of good things to say.

2560
02:41:45,500 --> 02:41:47,800
And you know even Margaret
Barker has a lot of good things

2561
02:41:47,800 --> 02:41:50,500
to say and I'm not saying
anything against heavenly mother

2562
02:41:50,500 --> 02:41:54,600
and things like that.
I'm all I'm saying is That the

2563
02:41:54,600 --> 02:42:02,000
documentary hypothesis and going
along with this. this theory

2564
02:42:02,000 --> 02:42:08,000
that just ignores and creates
problems and infers things that

2565
02:42:08,800 --> 02:42:13,300
aren't really, inferable doesn't
really seem like a necessary

2566
02:42:13,300 --> 02:42:15,200
thing.
Like, the Book of Mormon can

2567
02:42:15,200 --> 02:42:19,700
stand just fine without having
to tear Deuteronomy out, you

2568
02:42:19,700 --> 02:42:23,500
know?
Oh yeah, in order you know, I

2569
02:42:23,500 --> 02:42:25,400
see I see what you're saying
there.

2570
02:42:25,400 --> 02:42:29,900
One verse tells you how many
pairs go in the other verse

2571
02:42:29,900 --> 02:42:33,200
tells you how they entered the
Ark, right?

2572
02:42:33,200 --> 02:42:37,800
How those pairs entered like
yep.

2573
02:42:37,800 --> 02:42:42,100
Mmm.
Okay, let me stop that.

2574
02:42:43,900 --> 02:42:46,300
I'm going to, I'm gonna pull up
another video.

2575
02:42:47,800 --> 02:42:51,600
Okay, this is Gospel tangents
you know, gospel tangents, thank

2576
02:42:51,600 --> 02:42:52,100
you.
Yep.

2577
02:42:54,100 --> 02:42:56,900
So this is Colby Townsend.
He's a Les.

2578
02:42:59,400 --> 02:43:01,700
Scholar.
He does biblical.

2579
02:43:02,500 --> 02:43:05,700
Studies.
And he's actually on here,

2580
02:43:05,700 --> 02:43:07,200
talking about the documentary
hypothesis.

2581
02:43:07,200 --> 02:43:09,900
He is he is totally in favor of
it.

2582
02:43:13,000 --> 02:43:16,400
And he's actually gonna tell us
what it's like reading.

2583
02:43:17,800 --> 02:43:20,900
The reading, the five books of
Moses.

2584
02:43:21,700 --> 02:43:26,500
From a perspective that totally
Embraces the documentary

2585
02:43:26,500 --> 02:43:29,100
hypothesis.
So, it's like that where it's

2586
02:43:29,100 --> 02:43:32,300
just, it's really from a close
reading and careful attention to

2587
02:43:32,300 --> 02:43:35,400
detail.
The, the Torah is an unreadable

2588
02:43:35,400 --> 02:43:37,400
text.
If you're really taking it step

2589
02:43:37,400 --> 02:43:41,800
by step, as a readable cars,
literal literary, just a

2590
02:43:41,800 --> 02:43:43,400
narrative reading.
If you're just reading the

2591
02:43:43,408 --> 02:43:45,800
narrative and taking seriously,
the information that's getting

2592
02:43:45,800 --> 02:43:48,000
you and your sister compiling,
that information you go, it's

2593
02:43:48,000 --> 02:43:53,100
unreadable.
Okay, we we cannot understand

2594
02:43:53,100 --> 02:43:56,100
the Torah.
We cannot understand Genesis

2595
02:43:56,100 --> 02:43:57,500
Exodus.
Leviticus and numbers.

2596
02:43:57,500 --> 02:44:01,000
There's so many contradictions,
it is hopelessly.

2597
02:44:01,900 --> 02:44:07,600
Contradictory and as it is.
As he says, as he said several

2598
02:44:07,600 --> 02:44:11,200
times, it is an unreadable text.
Have you ever felt that way when

2599
02:44:11,200 --> 02:44:14,100
you read the scriptures like I
can't even understand this.

2600
02:44:15,200 --> 02:44:18,600
No, it's it's a pretty cohesive
narrative right now.

2601
02:44:18,600 --> 02:44:21,600
That's not say you're not going
to struggle with some things as

2602
02:44:21,600 --> 02:44:25,100
you go along, right?
I I've said that reading the

2603
02:44:25,100 --> 02:44:29,400
scriptures does require you to
get familiar with the language

2604
02:44:29,400 --> 02:44:34,200
of scripture, right?
It can read kind of clunky when

2605
02:44:34,200 --> 02:44:37,200
when you're first getting into
it but it definitely tells a

2606
02:44:37,200 --> 02:44:42,800
narrative the, the other thing
that I can't help, but Wonder

2607
02:44:42,800 --> 02:44:44,500
here.
Is that?

2608
02:44:45,400 --> 02:44:49,400
And I can't remember which one
it was, but there was somebody

2609
02:44:49,400 --> 02:44:52,100
higher up in Authority in
Mormonism.

2610
02:44:52,900 --> 02:44:58,500
That had once said, I think we
need to and I'm paraphrasing

2611
02:44:58,500 --> 02:45:00,100
here.
Move away from the Old

2612
02:45:00,100 --> 02:45:04,600
Testament, right?
And Here.

2613
02:45:04,600 --> 02:45:08,900
This is the most blatant call.
I've kind of heard for that, you

2614
02:45:08,900 --> 02:45:12,800
know, where where you call it
unreadable or whatever almost

2615
02:45:12,800 --> 02:45:17,000
like a yeah let's distance
ourselves from that text sort of

2616
02:45:17,000 --> 02:45:21,500
a thing.
Well he he definitely he

2617
02:45:21,500 --> 02:45:22,800
definitely, he likes to study
it.

2618
02:45:22,800 --> 02:45:24,700
I mean he that's what he that's
what he does.

2619
02:45:24,700 --> 02:45:27,800
So but I think he would
definitely distance himself.

2620
02:45:28,900 --> 02:45:32,900
Because he takes seriously the
documentary hypothesis would

2621
02:45:32,900 --> 02:45:38,900
distance himself from any sort
of literal understanding. any

2622
02:45:38,900 --> 02:45:42,600
sort of literal or faithful,
this is just like a historical

2623
02:45:42,600 --> 02:45:44,700
curiosity.
For right.

2624
02:45:47,200 --> 02:45:52,700
Okay, I have another some more
Colby Townsend here, the main

2625
02:45:52,700 --> 02:45:55,100
competing arguments right now
within scholarship or just

2626
02:45:55,100 --> 02:45:56,600
described.
So you can either go with the

2627
02:45:56,600 --> 02:46:00,500
documentary hypothesis which
tends to argue that that the

2628
02:46:00,500 --> 02:46:02,300
different sources were written a
little bit early.

2629
02:46:02,300 --> 02:46:06,500
So maybe earliest of those would
be 8 9th century BCE which I

2630
02:46:06,500 --> 02:46:11,200
haven't mentioned yet is really
early for writing, linky, write

2631
02:46:11,200 --> 02:46:15,200
Hebrew at least because one of
the main arguments that really

2632
02:46:15,200 --> 02:46:16,600
sort of shut down the
possibility of Moses.

2633
02:46:16,600 --> 02:46:19,800
Being the author of the Torah is
the fact that written Hebrew

2634
02:46:19,800 --> 02:46:21,500
didn't develop until after
Moses's life.

2635
02:46:22,400 --> 02:46:24,000
Moses didn't speak Hebrew, he
would have spoken it.

2636
02:46:24,008 --> 02:46:26,100
Probably a version of it was
much earlier version of it.

2637
02:46:26,100 --> 02:46:28,200
But yeah, you wouldn't have he
wouldn't have written it not in

2638
02:46:28,200 --> 02:46:32,400
the form and in the, in the
linguistic, like linguistic

2639
02:46:32,400 --> 02:46:33,400
form, I guess is really the best
phrase.

2640
02:46:33,400 --> 02:46:37,100
I should have used that the
Torres written in, it doesn't

2641
02:46:37,100 --> 02:46:39,700
develop until after his life.
So they're continuing debates

2642
02:46:39,700 --> 02:46:41,400
about that as well.
What does that mean for the

2643
02:46:41,408 --> 02:46:44,500
writing of it?
But really the most Scholars

2644
02:46:44,500 --> 02:46:47,700
pretty much all Scholars that
are really engaged in and to

2645
02:46:47,700 --> 02:46:49,800
Tuple criticism agree that Moses
couldn't have written it.

2646
02:46:49,800 --> 02:46:52,300
And that the five books of Moses
couldn't have come together

2647
02:46:52,300 --> 02:46:54,300
until at the very earliest.
The return from the Babylonian

2648
02:46:54,300 --> 02:46:58,000
exile which has other years that
approximately that would have

2649
02:46:58,000 --> 02:47:00,900
been 530, BCE, or so.
So it's worth the end of the

2650
02:47:00,900 --> 02:47:06,100
sixth Century BC.
And so, that's the earliest that

2651
02:47:06,100 --> 02:47:07,400
they would have been compiled
together.

2652
02:47:07,400 --> 02:47:10,900
That's like, more would have
been compiled at the Book of

2653
02:47:10,900 --> 02:47:12,800
Mormon terms, right?
The Toro, the five books of

2654
02:47:12,800 --> 02:47:15,800
Moses would have been long after
Lehigh left, Jerusalem compiled

2655
02:47:15,800 --> 02:47:17,000
in the five books.
Yes, yeah.

2656
02:47:17,000 --> 02:47:20,000
That's that's an interesting
that leads into your paper.

2657
02:47:20,000 --> 02:47:22,500
Doesn't it a little bit?
Yeah, there's definitely some

2658
02:47:22,500 --> 02:47:27,000
connections there.
Okay.

2659
02:47:27,900 --> 02:47:30,600
So yeah, I I got something right
off the top of my head here.

2660
02:47:30,600 --> 02:47:37,100
Just yeah, that's here.
Just thinking Why did it have to

2661
02:47:37,100 --> 02:47:45,100
be first wrote down in Hebrew?
Well this yeah wasn't Moses and

2662
02:47:45,100 --> 02:47:47,600
the rest of the children of
Israel coming out of Egypt at

2663
02:47:47,600 --> 02:47:49,000
that point.
Yeah.

2664
02:47:49,700 --> 02:47:52,200
Well, I will I will just say
without getting into that.

2665
02:47:52,200 --> 02:47:58,500
Um like Colby says, this very
matter-of-factly as though as

2666
02:47:58,500 --> 02:48:05,300
though, as though, we know,
something about that, but That

2667
02:48:05,300 --> 02:48:07,700
is, there are debates about
that.

2668
02:48:08,600 --> 02:48:10,800
And like, I fall I fall on the
side.

2669
02:48:11,900 --> 02:48:17,500
I mean, I, I believe that Adam
wrote okay, Colby does not and

2670
02:48:17,500 --> 02:48:20,900
the dude, the documentary
hypothesis does not allow for

2671
02:48:22,400 --> 02:48:24,400
Adam to have been keeping
records.

2672
02:48:25,500 --> 02:48:27,400
Okay.
Great price.

2673
02:48:27,400 --> 02:48:30,500
Aren't we told the atom
absolutely keeps a book of

2674
02:48:30,500 --> 02:48:32,200
remembrance?
Yes.

2675
02:48:32,200 --> 02:48:34,200
Yes.
But again you're coming out at

2676
02:48:34,200 --> 02:48:36,900
it from like you like believing
the scriptures over the

2677
02:48:36,900 --> 02:48:41,500
scholars. so, but if you, if you
are putting your hat hanging,

2678
02:48:41,500 --> 02:48:43,900
your hat with the documentary
hypothesis, and the scholars

2679
02:48:43,900 --> 02:48:47,700
that Produce it.
Then you're going to have to

2680
02:48:47,700 --> 02:48:49,600
understand the scriptures in a
different way.

2681
02:48:50,400 --> 02:48:53,900
Other than literal like it's
going to be the scriptures are

2682
02:48:53,900 --> 02:48:57,700
an allegorical thing.
The scriptures are A Pious

2683
02:48:57,700 --> 02:49:01,600
fraud, the scriptures are
inspired but not.

2684
02:49:02,500 --> 02:49:05,900
Literally true or you some
version like that.

2685
02:49:06,700 --> 02:49:09,500
You know, which is, which is
possible, but it's not really

2686
02:49:09,500 --> 02:49:14,200
possible to believe in the
scriptures as written.

2687
02:49:15,400 --> 02:49:18,400
Like, as far as they're like,
literally true.

2688
02:49:18,400 --> 02:49:20,100
And now, I'm not saying
everything in the scriptures is

2689
02:49:20,100 --> 02:49:21,400
literal.
Like, I believe a lot of stuff

2690
02:49:21,400 --> 02:49:25,200
in the creation account.
For example, is how symbolic

2691
02:49:25,200 --> 02:49:26,700
meanings.
So, don't get me wrong there.

2692
02:49:27,500 --> 02:49:29,700
But kind of a traditionalist
understanding.

2693
02:49:30,900 --> 02:49:38,600
Is out of the question. and
again, and look, I'm going to

2694
02:49:38,600 --> 02:49:43,400
withhold total judgment till I
do the other episode here but

2695
02:49:43,400 --> 02:49:46,900
right now it seems like you're
kind of in a conundrum that if

2696
02:49:46,900 --> 02:49:50,700
you're going, if you're going to
a spouse this you now have to

2697
02:49:50,700 --> 02:49:56,300
figure out a way.
To get around where Joseph, if

2698
02:49:56,300 --> 02:49:59,400
the, if the documentary
hypothesis is clearly true.

2699
02:50:00,700 --> 02:50:04,900
You now have you now have to
reckon with Joseph Smith, right?

2700
02:50:04,900 --> 02:50:11,100
Because he's He's perpetuating
those same errors. which really

2701
02:50:11,100 --> 02:50:17,100
takes away his ability as at, at
least a Seer and if at worst

2702
02:50:17,100 --> 02:50:20,700
both a profit and is here,
Right.

2703
02:50:22,900 --> 02:50:25,000
Few weeks back.
I had just in Franken on the

2704
02:50:25,000 --> 02:50:28,400
podcast where he laid out a bold
plan to help people and

2705
02:50:28,400 --> 02:50:29,900
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From all areas of the

2706
02:50:29,908 --> 02:50:32,600
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a new home in Mormonism.

2707
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2708
02:50:38,200 --> 02:50:42,000
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2709
02:50:42,000 --> 02:50:44,800
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Now, it doesn't matter.

2710
02:50:44,800 --> 02:50:48,400
If folks, end up back in the LDS
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2711
02:50:48,400 --> 02:50:51,800
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2712
02:50:51,800 --> 02:50:54,100
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2713
02:50:54,100 --> 02:50:58,000
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2714
02:50:58,000 --> 02:51:00,200
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So there are four meetings there

2715
02:51:00,200 --> 02:51:03,700
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2716
02:51:03,700 --> 02:51:06,000
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2717
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2718
02:51:09,700 --> 02:51:14,700
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2719
02:51:14,700 --> 02:51:17,000
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2720
02:51:17,000 --> 02:51:19,200
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2721
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2722
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2723
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2724
02:51:31,000 --> 02:51:34,800
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2725
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2726
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2727
02:51:43,200 --> 02:51:47,400
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2728
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2730
02:51:55,500 --> 02:51:58,300
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2731
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2733
02:52:03,700 --> 02:52:08,400
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2734
02:52:08,400 --> 02:52:11,900
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2735
02:52:11,900 --> 02:52:13,900
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2736
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2737
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2738
02:52:21,108 --> 02:52:25,600
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2739
02:52:25,600 --> 02:52:27,900
clicking the link in this
episode shown notes.

2740
02:52:27,900 --> 02:52:31,800
Thank you.
Yeah, I yeah, I don't think that

2741
02:52:31,800 --> 02:52:36,300
it is.
It's not.

2742
02:52:36,300 --> 02:52:39,100
Yeah, I mean you said it already
and I've said it too.

2743
02:52:39,100 --> 02:52:43,900
I don't think that it is
compatible and I also don't

2744
02:52:43,900 --> 02:52:47,500
think it's necessary.
I think you can get all the

2745
02:52:47,500 --> 02:52:52,500
things that you want. from the
documentary hypothesis, which is

2746
02:52:54,500 --> 02:53:00,900
Finding heavenly mother. and,
and also, Not having to

2747
02:53:00,900 --> 02:53:06,000
understand the biblical the the
biblical account as being.

2748
02:53:06,900 --> 02:53:09,700
Literally in errant.
I don't think you need the

2749
02:53:09,700 --> 02:53:12,600
doctor many hypotheses with the
Deuteronomy hypothesis to get

2750
02:53:12,608 --> 02:53:17,500
those things.
Oh no, it's your Mormon, right?

2751
02:53:17,500 --> 02:53:22,800
Because look, it and this is why
it's so important to understand

2752
02:53:22,800 --> 02:53:25,200
terms, especially within
Mormonism, right?

2753
02:53:25,200 --> 02:53:28,700
We definitely have a Canon of
scripture, right?

2754
02:53:28,700 --> 02:53:34,200
But it can and simply denote a
collection of We have the

2755
02:53:34,200 --> 02:53:37,400
definition of scripture, which
is anything that the Lord

2756
02:53:37,400 --> 02:53:40,100
servants, say, while moved upon
with the whole by the Holy

2757
02:53:40,100 --> 02:53:44,300
Ghost, right?
And we get to include all of

2758
02:53:44,300 --> 02:53:48,800
Joseph's inspired writing, write
all of his sermons that are

2759
02:53:48,800 --> 02:53:52,500
inspired.
Um, which add greater context to

2760
02:53:52,500 --> 02:53:56,600
these things.
So, to your point, as Mormons, I

2761
02:53:58,700 --> 02:54:00,400
I don't think I'm with you, I'm
not sure.

2762
02:54:00,400 --> 02:54:04,900
We, we need the, the Deuteronomy
hypothesis or the documentary

2763
02:54:04,900 --> 02:54:09,400
hypothesis to get to some of
those sacred truths, which

2764
02:54:09,400 --> 02:54:12,500
Joseph clearly spoke on multiple
times.

2765
02:54:12,500 --> 02:54:16,300
Yeah, without feeling the need
to throw Deuteronomy in the

2766
02:54:16,308 --> 02:54:16,700
trash.
Yeah.

2767
02:54:18,000 --> 02:54:24,900
Or or anything or any part of
it, even. so, okay, the

2768
02:54:24,900 --> 02:54:27,900
deuteronomist hypothesis.
What is it?

2769
02:54:27,900 --> 02:54:30,300
So, tell me.
So I asked you about the

2770
02:54:30,300 --> 02:54:31,100
documentary.
Hypothesis.

2771
02:54:31,100 --> 02:54:32,800
Tell me what, you know about the
deuteronomist.

2772
02:54:32,800 --> 02:54:37,200
Hypothesis, specifically, Okay.
And and this one I'm way more

2773
02:54:37,200 --> 02:54:39,400
fuzzy on.
So again, correct me if I'm

2774
02:54:39,400 --> 02:54:43,000
wrong but the Deuteronomy
hypothesis, I believe is the one

2775
02:54:43,000 --> 02:54:46,000
that that really focuses on the
Priestly class.

2776
02:54:47,000 --> 02:54:50,000
Interjecting their Authority is
that that's kind of the

2777
02:54:50,008 --> 02:54:56,900
supposition in my right there.
Yes, sort of, I mean, the there

2778
02:54:56,900 --> 02:55:00,000
is a there is a separate Source
called the Priestly source.

2779
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:03,900
So the Deuteronomy is different
from the Priestly Source, okay?

2780
02:55:03,900 --> 02:55:07,100
Um, but there is kind of some
overlap there in that.

2781
02:55:08,400 --> 02:55:14,600
The. well, I'll just go the
deuteronomic hypothesis is That.

2782
02:55:17,900 --> 02:55:22,600
The idea that King Josiah who
the Bible describes, as very

2783
02:55:22,600 --> 02:55:26,400
righteous is actually, he's
actually one of the most vile

2784
02:55:26,400 --> 02:55:30,600
and wicked kings that has
existed or at least, or at least

2785
02:55:30,608 --> 02:55:35,900
that he is manipulated by vile
and wicked persons who are the

2786
02:55:35,900 --> 02:55:39,400
deuteronomist.
They are conspirators.

2787
02:55:41,300 --> 02:55:45,100
And you know, as evidence for
this and this is true like he

2788
02:55:45,100 --> 02:55:50,600
was he was eight years old when
he began to Reign his father.

2789
02:55:51,600 --> 02:55:57,000
Amnon and his grandfather
Manassa were all just described

2790
02:55:57,000 --> 02:56:01,100
as our described as the most
wicked of Kings the

2791
02:56:01,100 --> 02:56:03,400
deuteronomist, hypothesis would
disagree.

2792
02:56:04,300 --> 02:56:08,900
They think that the things that
Manassas and amnon did were

2793
02:56:08,900 --> 02:56:13,800
righteous and then Joe Sia,
who's reforms, kind of undid

2794
02:56:13,800 --> 02:56:16,900
what his father and grandfather
were doing that.

2795
02:56:16,900 --> 02:56:20,100
Josiah was and his and the
people who may have been

2796
02:56:20,100 --> 02:56:23,500
controlling him that they, in
fact, were the wicked ones.

2797
02:56:23,500 --> 02:56:28,200
And but eventually, but they are
in charge and so they get to

2798
02:56:28,200 --> 02:56:33,400
write a history.
A.

2799
02:56:34,200 --> 02:56:38,900
So, the deuteronomist. those who
posit the deuteronomist

2800
02:56:38,900 --> 02:56:48,200
hypothesis, like, Where are we?
Know, going wrong way.

2801
02:56:51,200 --> 02:56:55,500
Oh, there's just a This is from
the list.

2802
02:56:55,500 --> 02:56:57,800
A little side note here, I'm
actually in this film.

2803
02:56:59,300 --> 02:57:02,800
Are you as an extra?
I'd have to point it out though

2804
02:57:02,800 --> 02:57:08,100
but This is the this is the new
BYU film studios there in Provo.

2805
02:57:09,100 --> 02:57:13,000
But when you were, were you ever
be BYU?

2806
02:57:13,000 --> 02:57:18,600
I was never at BYU.
But funny thing is that the

2807
02:57:18,600 --> 02:57:23,100
church was kind of was redoing
their Old Testament videos like

2808
02:57:23,100 --> 02:57:27,500
for Seminary.
Seminary in Sunday school and

2809
02:57:27,500 --> 02:57:31,700
stuff.
And so they sent out a letter to

2810
02:57:31,700 --> 02:57:36,800
like all the wards in Provo and
Orem area saying we need, we

2811
02:57:36,800 --> 02:57:39,800
need Temple recommend holders
with beards because they're kind

2812
02:57:39,800 --> 02:57:47,500
of hard to find.
It's gonna be in these movies.

2813
02:57:47,500 --> 02:57:50,700
These Old Testament movies.
Anyway, if you if you ever

2814
02:57:50,700 --> 02:57:52,200
watched this movie about King,
Josiah?

2815
02:57:53,100 --> 02:57:56,600
So, part of part of the story,
let me get to the the conspiracy

2816
02:57:56,600 --> 02:58:03,200
here is according to the story.
Okay, the story King Josiah.

2817
02:58:03,200 --> 02:58:06,700
They're like they're doing some
work in the temple and they find

2818
02:58:06,700 --> 02:58:12,300
this book of the Torah. and
according to the the

2819
02:58:12,300 --> 02:58:17,400
deuteronomist hypothesis, this
this Torah that they find is the

2820
02:58:17,400 --> 02:58:20,900
book of Deuteronomy.
Yeah, so if you look at, if you

2821
02:58:20,900 --> 02:58:25,300
watch this film like me and
another guy or like, carrying

2822
02:58:25,300 --> 02:58:28,900
this box with like stick, it's
not the Ark of the Covenant or

2823
02:58:28,900 --> 02:58:30,500
anything like that.
But it's a, it's like a big

2824
02:58:30,500 --> 02:58:33,600
heavy chest and it's got sticks
through rings that were carrying

2825
02:58:33,600 --> 02:58:37,800
with and like one of us like
slips and drops it and they're

2826
02:58:37,800 --> 02:58:41,300
like, cracks cracks open like a
tile on the floor.

2827
02:58:41,300 --> 02:58:44,800
And, and then they pull it back
and there's this like hidden

2828
02:58:45,500 --> 02:58:50,600
Scripture down there anyway, so
I'm in that scene. so, anyway,

2829
02:58:50,600 --> 02:58:56,600
they They say that that just Sia
actually.

2830
02:58:57,700 --> 02:59:01,700
I did away with like the worship
of asherah.

2831
02:59:01,700 --> 02:59:06,100
These are asherah idols.
Can you read the inscription or

2832
02:59:06,100 --> 02:59:09,200
nothing inscription?
But the The phrase there.

2833
02:59:09,200 --> 02:59:17,000
My eyes are up here.
Yes, asherah so, So, the

2834
02:59:17,000 --> 02:59:21,100
deuteronomist they have as their
goal to remove the Messiah.

2835
02:59:21,800 --> 02:59:24,200
And remove the atonement.
They don't like that.

2836
02:59:24,200 --> 02:59:28,100
Okay?
And they want to consolidate

2837
02:59:28,100 --> 02:59:30,300
power, pull it, both political
and religious.

2838
02:59:31,300 --> 02:59:33,500
They kill the milk has addict
priests.

2839
02:59:34,400 --> 02:59:39,400
They only allow Temple worship
at Jerusalem, they all want to

2840
02:59:39,400 --> 02:59:43,000
create a king.
Because Deuteronomy is the only

2841
02:59:43,000 --> 02:59:45,300
place in the Torah, that
mentions a king.

2842
02:59:46,500 --> 02:59:49,300
So they're like, oh we want to,
we want to Kingdom, we want

2843
02:59:49,308 --> 02:59:51,000
power.
So we're gonna write that into

2844
02:59:51,000 --> 02:59:54,000
the scriptures.
They want to enforce strict

2845
02:59:54,000 --> 02:59:57,400
monotheism like we don't even,
we don't even believe in angels.

2846
02:59:58,500 --> 03:00:00,300
Okay.
They want to remove the worship

2847
03:00:00,300 --> 03:00:02,200
of heavenly mother.
They want to double down on the

2848
03:00:02,200 --> 03:00:04,700
law.
They want to punish him forbid,

2849
03:00:04,700 --> 03:00:08,000
spiritual experience, Visions,
Etc.

2850
03:00:08,000 --> 03:00:14,100
And they want to teach instead
of instead of a Um, corporeal

2851
03:00:14,100 --> 03:00:15,500
God.
They want to teach in a formless

2852
03:00:15,500 --> 03:00:17,700
incorporeal.
God.

2853
03:00:18,700 --> 03:00:27,100
So there's that, I guess.
So not only not only did they

2854
03:00:27,100 --> 03:00:31,600
fabricate the book of
Deuteronomy but also, what's

2855
03:00:31,600 --> 03:00:35,700
been come to known as the
deuteronomic history.

2856
03:00:36,800 --> 03:00:41,500
So these these Wicked guys, they
wrote Deuteronomy and all so

2857
03:00:41,500 --> 03:00:45,700
Joshua, Judges first, Samuel
second, Samuel First Kings, and

2858
03:00:45,700 --> 03:00:47,700
second Kings.
These are all and then in

2859
03:00:47,700 --> 03:00:52,500
contaminated other books as
well. so, the stories of David

2860
03:00:52,500 --> 03:00:57,200
just gone, Well, there is some
of those stories are in

2861
03:00:57,208 --> 03:01:01,900
Chronicles.
And and Chronicles is untainted,

2862
03:01:01,900 --> 03:01:05,100
or at least less tainted.
Okay, according to the

2863
03:01:05,100 --> 03:01:08,100
hypothesis, okay.
Now.

2864
03:01:09,400 --> 03:01:13,600
When when they found this book
of the Torah, that's the heat

2865
03:01:13,600 --> 03:01:15,700
with the Hebrew says, when they
found this Scroll of the law.

2866
03:01:16,800 --> 03:01:20,800
This book of the law, the
deuteronomist hypothesis and

2867
03:01:20,800 --> 03:01:23,700
most Scholars.
Like, because most Scholars

2868
03:01:23,700 --> 03:01:26,900
agree with the deuteronomist
hypothesis, they say that the

2869
03:01:26,900 --> 03:01:30,200
book that they found was
Deuteronomy and only Deuteronomy

2870
03:01:30,200 --> 03:01:33,800
and not the rest of the Torah,
because the rest of the Torah

2871
03:01:33,800 --> 03:01:36,300
actually came later.
Remember Deuteronomy was the

2872
03:01:36,300 --> 03:01:41,600
first Um, now again there are
variations of this.

2873
03:01:41,600 --> 03:01:45,400
So I think we don't get it all
of that, but but that's the main

2874
03:01:45,400 --> 03:01:50,600
Theory.
So Now why do they say this was

2875
03:01:50,600 --> 03:01:54,900
probably Deuteronomy because
then Josiah starts doing these

2876
03:01:54,900 --> 03:01:58,100
reforms.
And if you look like the things

2877
03:01:58,100 --> 03:02:01,000
that Josiah does they're like
they're found in the book of

2878
03:02:01,000 --> 03:02:06,200
Deuteronomy.
So voila, the problem with that

2879
03:02:06,200 --> 03:02:14,000
argument is a couple of things.
One is There are several things

2880
03:02:14,000 --> 03:02:20,300
that do to that Josiah does that
are only mentioned in Exodus and

2881
03:02:20,300 --> 03:02:24,700
Leviticus all.
So which is kind of evidence

2882
03:02:24,700 --> 03:02:30,100
that it was probably the whole
Torah and not just Deuteronomy

2883
03:02:30,100 --> 03:02:33,900
because Those things that just
say does aren't found in

2884
03:02:33,900 --> 03:02:36,100
Deuteronomy, they are in
Leviticus.

2885
03:02:36,800 --> 03:02:40,300
And exodus.
And the other thing is that

2886
03:02:40,300 --> 03:02:43,500
again, we go back to this
timeline thing here.

2887
03:02:45,500 --> 03:02:52,300
So Josiah is right here.
And you know, he forges or his

2888
03:02:52,300 --> 03:02:56,800
advisors come up with a forgery
Deuteronomy or they seriously

2889
03:02:56,800 --> 03:03:00,400
edit something that maybe
already exists, you know.

2890
03:03:00,400 --> 03:03:05,200
Some people believe that version
but the problem is, is that the

2891
03:03:05,200 --> 03:03:09,200
Samaritans they separated from,
they were separate from the

2892
03:03:09,200 --> 03:03:14,100
southern Kingdom and they
separated, you know, 100 Almost

2893
03:03:14,100 --> 03:03:18,300
100 years almost a century
before Josiah comes along and

2894
03:03:18,300 --> 03:03:19,600
then they are in the northern
kingdom.

2895
03:03:19,600 --> 03:03:23,100
And, you know, the southern
Kingdom gets taken captive and

2896
03:03:23,100 --> 03:03:24,700
whatever.
And then, you know, the

2897
03:03:24,700 --> 03:03:26,900
Samaritans they have they have
their own Torah.

2898
03:03:27,500 --> 03:03:30,100
They had their own Temple, their
own Torah and guess what?

2899
03:03:30,100 --> 03:03:33,800
Their Torah contains
Deuteronomy.

2900
03:03:33,800 --> 03:03:38,700
So it's like it's the same thing
which is, you know, it's not

2901
03:03:38,700 --> 03:03:41,700
proof but it's definitely is
definitely not in favor of the

2902
03:03:41,700 --> 03:03:45,800
deuteronomist hypothesis and
actually showing that since they

2903
03:03:45,800 --> 03:03:52,100
split off before, Josiah That
they probably had and they they

2904
03:03:52,100 --> 03:03:56,700
claimed that they had these
books before then and also the

2905
03:03:56,700 --> 03:04:00,000
fact that Josiah does things
that are mentioned in Leviticus

2906
03:04:00,000 --> 03:04:03,500
and exodus.
Probably, it's probably not

2907
03:04:03,500 --> 03:04:04,600
true.
And of course I don't believe

2908
03:04:04,600 --> 03:04:07,100
it's true.
I believe that it was the the

2909
03:04:07,100 --> 03:04:13,300
whole, the whole Torah and the
like, if you look closely at the

2910
03:04:14,000 --> 03:04:17,700
The manuscript evidence.
It seems to indicate that

2911
03:04:19,000 --> 03:04:26,000
interesting.
Hmm. so, my eyes are up here

2912
03:04:26,000 --> 03:04:28,400
today.
The.

2913
03:04:30,000 --> 03:04:34,500
Show the Ashura ashrae polls.
This is this is what the when

2914
03:04:34,500 --> 03:04:37,200
the Old Testament says grows.
Yep.

2915
03:04:37,200 --> 03:04:39,000
Or Grove, right?
This is Asher.

2916
03:04:39,000 --> 03:04:42,400
She was, she was a poll.
So you see this is, this is a

2917
03:04:42,400 --> 03:04:46,500
little, you know, figurine and
she's just straight.

2918
03:04:46,500 --> 03:04:51,600
Like she's a, she's a pole
asherah, Astro polls or these

2919
03:04:51,600 --> 03:04:53,400
Groves.
They were, they were Branch

2920
03:04:53,400 --> 03:04:57,000
lists.
Trees or in a tree shape but

2921
03:04:57,000 --> 03:04:59,500
without branches it was just
basically.

2922
03:04:59,500 --> 03:05:05,100
I mean, she's got arms I guess
and some other protuberances

2923
03:05:05,100 --> 03:05:11,700
teachers features.
But so, I was going to read what

2924
03:05:11,700 --> 03:05:13,400
the scripture says about
Manassa.

2925
03:05:13,400 --> 03:05:17,000
I don't think I need to.
But it I mean Manassa is just

2926
03:05:17,000 --> 03:05:21,300
described as It is being
extremely Wicked and it says

2927
03:05:21,308 --> 03:05:27,000
that manasse is the one that put
Idols of these Canaanite gods

2928
03:05:27,000 --> 03:05:32,300
and goddesses in the temple, and
God was not pleased with this.

2929
03:05:33,700 --> 03:05:39,800
but the deuteronomist hypothesis
say, when Josiah Cleansed the

2930
03:05:39,808 --> 03:05:43,300
Temple of those things that he
was that he was doing that.

2931
03:05:43,300 --> 03:05:46,400
He was the one that was in the
wrong but they just rewrote the

2932
03:05:46,400 --> 03:05:47,900
history to make it look like
Manassas.

2933
03:05:47,900 --> 03:05:54,200
Was the bad guy?
So, oh, anyway.

2934
03:05:56,000 --> 03:05:58,400
For the sake of time.
I think we'll skip this so

2935
03:05:58,400 --> 03:06:01,400
there's no, you're good.
I'm, I'm next, I'm exhaling

2936
03:06:01,400 --> 03:06:05,800
because it again.
I mean, this is this is the

2937
03:06:05,800 --> 03:06:09,100
thing.
I like, I look at these asherah

2938
03:06:09,100 --> 03:06:10,400
poles, these little idols and
things.

2939
03:06:10,400 --> 03:06:12,900
And, you know, he talks about
talks about bail.

2940
03:06:12,900 --> 03:06:17,700
All so baleen and asherim.
These are the the figurines or

2941
03:06:17,700 --> 03:06:22,400
the, you know, the idols.
Right, I just think, okay. like

2942
03:06:22,400 --> 03:06:27,300
okay maybe this represents Jesus
and heavenly mother like but I

2943
03:06:27,300 --> 03:06:33,300
but do I really have to be like
Telling Latter-Day Saints like

2944
03:06:33,300 --> 03:06:36,100
this regardless, this is a
Graven image.

2945
03:06:36,900 --> 03:06:39,400
Like are we going to like Drop
The Ten Commandments to?

2946
03:06:42,000 --> 03:06:44,000
You know, right?
Yeah, that's that's where I was

2947
03:06:44,000 --> 03:06:45,600
going, right?
Is like, look.

2948
03:06:46,700 --> 03:06:50,000
Even even if they were going to,
yeah, go ahead.

2949
03:06:50,800 --> 03:06:53,800
If even if even if they are
meant to be.

2950
03:06:55,100 --> 03:06:58,600
Representations of something
that's doctrinally sound, you

2951
03:06:58,600 --> 03:07:03,000
still have to understand that.
That the Lord's chosen people in

2952
03:07:03,000 --> 03:07:06,700
those days were specifically
commanded not to make graven

2953
03:07:06,700 --> 03:07:11,200
images. and so, One way or
another.

2954
03:07:11,200 --> 03:07:14,500
There's conflict there, right?
Nothing harmonizes.

2955
03:07:14,500 --> 03:07:17,100
Well.
No, it's it's total confusion

2956
03:07:17,100 --> 03:07:20,600
and Chaos.
It's like we're going to we so

2957
03:07:20,600 --> 03:07:21,800
badly.
Want to.

2958
03:07:23,500 --> 03:07:25,200
Insert.
Heavenly mother that we're going

2959
03:07:25,200 --> 03:07:28,200
to be happy to get rid of the
Ten Commandments in order to do

2960
03:07:28,200 --> 03:07:29,900
it, you know.
It's like, yeah you don't need

2961
03:07:29,900 --> 03:07:33,700
to do that.
You don't need to do that. but,

2962
03:07:33,700 --> 03:07:38,800
but you do if you if you Like if
you if the deuteronomist

2963
03:07:38,800 --> 03:07:43,900
hypothesis is your jam then you
do have to get rid of the Ten

2964
03:07:43,900 --> 03:07:48,000
Commandments in order to like
double down on that this was a

2965
03:07:48,000 --> 03:07:51,100
righteous thing.
And To have these Idols

2966
03:07:51,100 --> 03:07:53,000
everywhere and Josiah was the
bad guy.

2967
03:07:53,000 --> 03:08:00,900
Amazing. amazing, you know, one
of the things that Oh, there's

2968
03:08:00,900 --> 03:08:04,200
there's Gideon.
You know this is but Gideon is

2969
03:08:04,200 --> 03:08:07,200
in judges.
And your judges was also part of

2970
03:08:07,208 --> 03:08:10,500
the deuteronomic history.
But Gideon, chopped down and ask

2971
03:08:10,500 --> 03:08:13,800
her a poll and to use it as
firewood to offer burnt

2972
03:08:13,800 --> 03:08:23,100
offering.
So, another thing that there's

2973
03:08:23,100 --> 03:08:28,700
complaints about is, you know,
and they'll point to the Book of

2974
03:08:28,700 --> 03:08:33,200
Mormon, see The Book of Mormons
says, That Lehigh was quote a

2975
03:08:33,200 --> 03:08:36,900
Visionary, man.
And you, his family has

2976
03:08:36,900 --> 03:08:38,700
complaints about that.
Like, yeah, you're having these

2977
03:08:38,700 --> 03:08:43,100
visions and they're making us go
through all this hardship. and

2978
03:08:43,100 --> 03:08:47,700
you know, Mike day and Dave
Butler like they will say the

2979
03:08:47,700 --> 03:08:51,700
reason why his family was
complaining is because Lehigh

2980
03:08:51,700 --> 03:08:54,600
was going against Deuteronomy
because Deuteronomy is against.

2981
03:08:55,600 --> 03:08:58,600
Vision's.
And Visionary experiences.

2982
03:09:00,400 --> 03:09:06,300
Now, you want?
2 here, what Deuteronomy what

2983
03:09:06,300 --> 03:09:08,800
they're actually talking about.
Absolutely.

2984
03:09:08,800 --> 03:09:11,400
What page where you at in
general and Deuteronomy chapter

2985
03:09:11,400 --> 03:09:14,000
18 here, here is where it talks
about.

2986
03:09:17,400 --> 03:09:21,200
Lehigh being a bad guy is where
Deuteronomy says, lehi's,

2987
03:09:21,200 --> 03:09:26,300
Visions are evil.
Okay.

2988
03:09:26,300 --> 03:09:31,900
Deuteronomy 18 verse Now, I'll
start at verse 9.

2989
03:09:32,900 --> 03:09:36,600
When our come into the land,
which the Lord thy God, give

2990
03:09:36,600 --> 03:09:40,100
Athey Thou shalt not learn to do
after the Abominations of those

2991
03:09:40,100 --> 03:09:41,400
Nations.
There shall not.

2992
03:09:41,400 --> 03:09:46,500
Be found among you anyone that
maketh, his son or daughter to

2993
03:09:46,500 --> 03:09:50,600
pass through the fire or that
uses divination or is an

2994
03:09:50,600 --> 03:09:55,200
observer of time or an enchanter
or a witch or a charmer, or a

2995
03:09:55,200 --> 03:09:58,900
consulter with familiar spirits
or a wizard or a necromancer.

2996
03:09:58,900 --> 03:10:02,300
For all these things are an
Abomination to the Lord and

2997
03:10:02,300 --> 03:10:05,400
because of these Abominations,
the Lord thy God drive them out

2998
03:10:05,400 --> 03:10:09,000
from before the Thou shalt be
perfect with the Lord thy God.

2999
03:10:10,100 --> 03:10:12,800
Okay, so there you go.
So Deuteronomy is against having

3000
03:10:12,800 --> 03:10:16,900
spiritual experiences.
So, when the part about passing

3001
03:10:16,900 --> 03:10:19,700
through the fire is about
killing your kids to Idols,

3002
03:10:19,700 --> 03:10:21,200
right?
Yeah.

3003
03:10:21,200 --> 03:10:22,400
And black worship.
Yeah.

3004
03:10:23,400 --> 03:10:26,900
These other things are clearly
things that would fall Within.

3005
03:10:28,400 --> 03:10:32,800
More Canaanite sort of of
worship practices, right?

3006
03:10:32,800 --> 03:10:41,600
Um, I mean, I mean that you with
visions from from Jehovah to to

3007
03:10:41,600 --> 03:10:45,300
his people, right?
That would be, that would be the

3008
03:10:45,300 --> 03:10:47,300
the plane that would be the
obvious reading.

3009
03:10:47,300 --> 03:10:51,100
But like I said, Remember, You
must like intentionally

3010
03:10:51,100 --> 03:10:57,600
misunderstand in order to try to
make this fit, So that's that's

3011
03:10:57,600 --> 03:10:59,300
the complaint against Visionary,
men.

3012
03:11:04,400 --> 03:11:06,400
Let's see.
I'm not gonna go to that quite

3013
03:11:06,400 --> 03:11:08,300
yet, so there's another
complaint.

3014
03:11:08,300 --> 03:11:12,000
So this is the, this picture
here is, this is Steven Wright

3015
03:11:12,000 --> 03:11:14,000
being, right?
He's about to get stoned there.

3016
03:11:14,000 --> 03:11:16,300
So Vision, you know, Visionary
man.

3017
03:11:17,200 --> 03:11:21,400
There's another complaint that
is made and it's frequently

3018
03:11:21,400 --> 03:11:24,300
repeated.
That is that Deuteronomy and the

3019
03:11:24,300 --> 03:11:29,000
deuteronomist, that they hate
Messiah, and they hate the idea

3020
03:11:29,000 --> 03:11:31,900
of atonement.
There is no atonement in

3021
03:11:31,900 --> 03:11:34,000
Deuteronomy and I'll talk more
about that in a minute.

3022
03:11:34,008 --> 03:11:37,600
But first of all, the idea that
Messiah is not in.

3023
03:11:37,600 --> 03:11:43,500
There is just like every time I
listen to one of these lectures

3024
03:11:43,500 --> 03:11:47,200
about Deuteronomy like, And I
encourage everyone to do this.

3025
03:11:47,200 --> 03:11:50,800
If someone says Deuteronomy
says, this, or Deuteronomy does

3026
03:11:50,800 --> 03:11:55,000
not say this, you just have to
go look because very, very like,

3027
03:11:55,000 --> 03:11:59,600
disappointingly frequently.
I find that Deuteronomy

3028
03:11:59,600 --> 03:12:03,100
obviously does not say anything.
Like they are what they are.

3029
03:12:03,900 --> 03:12:06,000
Spouting off.
So this is one of those.

3030
03:12:06,000 --> 03:12:11,100
You go to will stay in.
Chapter 18, I should close it

3031
03:12:11,100 --> 03:12:13,800
yesterday.
Chapter 8, Deuteronomy is

3032
03:12:13,800 --> 03:12:17,300
actually one of the most famous.
Prophecies.

3033
03:12:18,500 --> 03:12:26,900
About Messiah.
And let's see.

3034
03:12:28,400 --> 03:12:31,900
This verse 15.
The Lord thy God will raise up

3035
03:12:31,900 --> 03:12:35,600
unto the prophet from the midst
of the of thy brother and like

3036
03:12:35,600 --> 03:12:38,200
unto me unto him.
Ye shall hearken.

3037
03:12:38,200 --> 03:12:41,600
According to all that thou
desires of the Lord thy God.

3038
03:12:42,400 --> 03:12:43,900
In horror in the day of the
assembly.

3039
03:12:44,700 --> 03:12:46,600
Let's see.
No, there we go.

3040
03:12:46,608 --> 03:12:49,500
So just verse 15, I guess.
Oh no.

3041
03:12:50,700 --> 03:12:53,800
And picking up on in verse 18, I
will raise them up a prophet

3042
03:12:53,800 --> 03:12:57,700
from among their Brethren, like
unto the meaning to Moses and I

3043
03:12:57,708 --> 03:13:00,500
will put my words in his mouth
and he shall speak unto them.

3044
03:13:01,400 --> 03:13:05,600
All that I shall command him.
And it shall come to pass that.

3045
03:13:05,600 --> 03:13:08,500
Whoever will not hearken unto my
words, which he shall speak.

3046
03:13:08,500 --> 03:13:13,100
In my name.
I will require it of him. okay,

3047
03:13:13,100 --> 03:13:16,600
so that's like that's one of the
most famous Messianic prophecies

3048
03:13:16,600 --> 03:13:21,800
ever and this is And so to just
say Deuteronomy, get rid of the

3049
03:13:21,800 --> 03:13:23,900
Messiah and gets rid of Jesus,
it's kind of.

3050
03:13:23,908 --> 03:13:27,300
Yeah, this is actually quoted.
I'm just gonna go

3051
03:13:27,300 --> 03:13:34,000
chronologically here.
Nephi is in first Nephi 22 verse

3052
03:13:34,000 --> 03:13:36,500
20.
Starting at 20 and the Lord will

3053
03:13:36,500 --> 03:13:39,000
surely prepare away for his
people into fulfilling of the

3054
03:13:39,000 --> 03:13:42,100
words of Moses.
Not the deuteronomist.

3055
03:13:42,700 --> 03:13:45,600
Which he speaks saying a prophet
shall the Lord.

3056
03:13:45,608 --> 03:13:48,000
Your God, raise up unto.
You like unto me him.

3057
03:13:48,000 --> 03:13:49,300
Shall you hear in all things
whatsoever.

3058
03:13:49,300 --> 03:13:51,700
He shall say unto you should
come to pass it all those who

3059
03:13:51,700 --> 03:13:53,800
will not hear the prophet shall
be cut off from among the

3060
03:13:53,800 --> 03:13:57,000
people.
Now I need by declare unto you

3061
03:13:57,000 --> 03:14:00,200
that this prophet of whom Moses
spake was the Holy One of

3062
03:14:00,200 --> 03:14:02,600
Israel, wherefore, he shall
execute judgment in

3063
03:14:02,600 --> 03:14:04,400
righteousness.
Okay.

3064
03:14:04,400 --> 03:14:06,500
Then we have in the New
Testament going chronologically

3065
03:14:06,500 --> 03:14:11,900
Steven here, Steven when he is
giving his speech he says That

3066
03:14:11,900 --> 03:14:15,100
this is that Moses.
Which said unto the children of

3067
03:14:15,100 --> 03:14:17,400
Israel, a prophet shall the
Lord, your God.

3068
03:14:17,400 --> 03:14:19,400
Raise up unto your brother and
like unto me him.

3069
03:14:19,400 --> 03:14:21,600
Shall you hear talking about
Jesus again?

3070
03:14:21,600 --> 03:14:24,200
And then, of course, Jesus
himself, when he visits the

3071
03:14:24,200 --> 03:14:26,400
Nephites in third Nephi says,
behold.

3072
03:14:26,400 --> 03:14:30,000
I am, he who Moses spake saying
a prophet shall the Lord, your

3073
03:14:30,000 --> 03:14:35,000
God, raise up unto you of your
brother and like unto me In

3074
03:14:35,000 --> 03:14:36,800
shall ye here in all things
whatsoever.

3075
03:14:36,800 --> 03:14:39,800
He shall say unto you.
So I mean Jesus himself says

3076
03:14:41,100 --> 03:14:43,900
Well, actually, all of them
Nephi and Steven, and Jesus all

3077
03:14:43,900 --> 03:14:51,500
say, this is what Moses said.
Moses spoke this prophecy. so, I

3078
03:14:51,500 --> 03:14:52,200
don't know what to do about
that.

3079
03:14:52,200 --> 03:14:53,600
I mean, I know what to do about
that.

3080
03:14:53,600 --> 03:14:58,300
I don't know what other people
might do about that. yeah, and

3081
03:14:58,300 --> 03:15:04,800
then again, we have the conflict
where Arguably, one of the

3082
03:15:04,800 --> 03:15:07,700
greatest, if not the greatest
prophets in the Book of Mormon

3083
03:15:07,700 --> 03:15:10,700
makes the same mistake by
calling saying, that Moses was

3084
03:15:10,700 --> 03:15:17,200
the one who wrote it. yeah, so I
mean one Argument that I've

3085
03:15:17,200 --> 03:15:25,100
heard. is well, there must have
been there must have been

3086
03:15:25,100 --> 03:15:30,900
another book.
That contained that prophecy not

3087
03:15:30,900 --> 03:15:33,200
Deuteronomy because we cannot
have Deuteronomy.

3088
03:15:33,900 --> 03:15:36,900
It was a different one which we
don't have its lost, we don't

3089
03:15:36,900 --> 03:15:40,100
know which book or we might have
ideas about which but we can't

3090
03:15:40,100 --> 03:15:41,900
find it anywhere else except for
Deuteronomy.

3091
03:15:41,900 --> 03:15:45,200
But we know that it can't be
Deuteronomy because we know that

3092
03:15:45,200 --> 03:15:47,900
Josiah was the bad guy and it
wasn't for my Moses because we

3093
03:15:47,900 --> 03:15:51,200
want to have Asher apples.
Like that's kind of the that's

3094
03:15:51,200 --> 03:15:59,100
kind of the logic chain there.
I'm going to, I mean, I'm going

3095
03:15:59,100 --> 03:16:00,900
to skip this.
Well, I'm gonna show part of

3096
03:16:00,908 --> 03:16:04,800
this.
Is a, this is scripture Central.

3097
03:16:05,900 --> 03:16:07,600
And I like, I like scripture
Central too.

3098
03:16:07,600 --> 03:16:10,400
They put out a lot of good
stuff, so, but she's gonna talk

3099
03:16:10,400 --> 03:16:12,700
about, she's talking about
Deuteronomy and she's gonna talk

3100
03:16:12,700 --> 03:16:17,700
specifically about the, the
Shema, the Shema. for those who

3101
03:16:17,700 --> 03:16:21,400
don't know, I mentioned earlier,
this is the This is the the

3102
03:16:21,400 --> 03:16:23,600
first and greatest commandment
Jesus quotes.

3103
03:16:23,600 --> 03:16:25,100
This from Deuteronomy, chapter
6.

3104
03:16:26,300 --> 03:16:31,400
So she's going to give some
commentary on that, okay?

3105
03:16:32,400 --> 03:16:34,500
In the restored gospel, we
believe that Joseph Smith

3106
03:16:34,500 --> 03:16:36,900
actually was told that Joseph
Smith translation.

3107
03:16:36,900 --> 03:16:39,400
That the first law is not the
same as the second law that

3108
03:16:39,400 --> 03:16:41,900
initially.
When we have the place, the

3109
03:16:41,900 --> 03:16:44,000
tablets given to Moses.
It said something different and

3110
03:16:44,000 --> 03:16:46,500
I'll read you what.
Joseph Smith changed this to do

3111
03:16:46,500 --> 03:16:50,400
it on me. 10 verse 1, he says
hewn other tablets, similar to

3112
03:16:50,408 --> 03:16:53,700
the one that you broke, he says,
and then I actually gonna pause

3113
03:16:53,700 --> 03:16:58,800
this is actually.
I think this is a dishonest, you

3114
03:16:58,800 --> 03:17:01,300
see the ellipses there?
Because she's saying, oh, they

3115
03:17:01,300 --> 03:17:02,700
were different.
These tablets were different,

3116
03:17:02,700 --> 03:17:05,700
but the part that she left out,
says the tablets were the same

3117
03:17:06,900 --> 03:17:10,300
The same exact same words on the
second tablets on the first

3118
03:17:10,300 --> 03:17:13,800
except in the Joseph Smith
translation.

3119
03:17:13,800 --> 03:17:16,400
I just I want to go ahead and
read this.

3120
03:17:16,400 --> 03:17:20,400
I feel like I feel like it's
worth the exercise.

3121
03:17:20,400 --> 03:17:23,800
It takes a little bit more time,
but I feel like for this

3122
03:17:23,800 --> 03:17:27,100
argument it's it's worth it.
So here's what it says in the

3123
03:17:27,100 --> 03:17:31,000
jst at that time.
The Lord said unto me, Hew the

3124
03:17:31,008 --> 03:17:35,600
two others tablets are, excuse
me, tables of stone like under

3125
03:17:35,600 --> 03:17:39,900
the first and come up unto me.
Upon the mount.

3126
03:17:40,900 --> 03:17:47,800
And make the anarch of wood.
Oh, it was that the that's

3127
03:17:47,800 --> 03:17:50,900
that's Joseph Smith.
Deuteronomy, 10:1?

3128
03:17:52,800 --> 03:17:55,800
Okay, and go to to two as well.
I think.

3129
03:17:56,700 --> 03:18:00,600
And I will write on the table.
The words that were on the first

3130
03:18:00,600 --> 03:18:04,700
tables, which thou break us save
the words of the Everlasting,

3131
03:18:04,700 --> 03:18:08,900
Covenant of the Holy priesthood
and thou shalt put them in the

3132
03:18:08,900 --> 03:18:11,200
ark.
So basically the Lord is saying

3133
03:18:11,200 --> 03:18:12,700
there.
Look it's going to have all the

3134
03:18:12,700 --> 03:18:14,800
same stuff.
Minus the stuff about the Holy

3135
03:18:14,800 --> 03:18:16,300
priesthood.
That's right.

3136
03:18:16,300 --> 03:18:22,600
Yeah but she's saying it's
totally different set of

3137
03:18:22,600 --> 03:18:27,300
instructions that one had like
the first one had the old stuff

3138
03:18:27,300 --> 03:18:30,000
and the new one or sorry.
The first one had the

3139
03:18:30,000 --> 03:18:31,900
Everlasting Covenant.
The holy priest of the milk has

3140
03:18:31,900 --> 03:18:35,300
itself and the second one had
all the ironic stuff that we

3141
03:18:35,300 --> 03:18:40,600
have now but what the jsd
actually says is The first one

3142
03:18:40,600 --> 03:18:42,000
had all the stuff that we have
now.

3143
03:18:43,100 --> 03:18:46,700
Plus more plus basically, plus
the stuff that in the temple,

3144
03:18:46,700 --> 03:18:51,500
Joseph Temple, ceremony.
So anyway, I just, I just that

3145
03:18:51,500 --> 03:18:54,400
kind of stuff annoys me, just
how kind of its kind of

3146
03:18:54,408 --> 03:18:57,400
obfuscates things.
It's a little, a little, a

3147
03:18:57,400 --> 03:19:00,200
little dishonest, I think to say
that they were different missing

3148
03:19:00,200 --> 03:19:01,700
some context there, for sure.
Yeah.

3149
03:19:01,700 --> 03:19:04,700
But the whole the whole
documentary hypothesis is really

3150
03:19:04,700 --> 03:19:07,400
quite I mean the whole thing is
anti Torah.

3151
03:19:07,400 --> 03:19:11,500
I mean so it's not that that's
the idea behind it all is to

3152
03:19:11,500 --> 03:19:18,400
kind of undercut the authority
of the authors of these, The

3153
03:19:18,400 --> 03:19:21,600
quote authors or the books,
undermine the authority of the

3154
03:19:21,608 --> 03:19:25,700
books, you know?
Anyway, okay.

3155
03:19:27,100 --> 03:19:37,900
Okay, she goes on to. 251 this
collection of the law, has

3156
03:19:37,900 --> 03:19:40,500
perked to the attention of one,
of my favorite biblical scholars

3157
03:19:40,500 --> 03:19:43,000
in the Old Testament.
Margaret Barker, and she found

3158
03:19:43,000 --> 03:19:45,400
that the book of Deuteronomy is
different than the other books.

3159
03:19:45,400 --> 03:19:48,600
If you want to know something
funny about this picture right

3160
03:19:48,600 --> 03:19:50,900
here.
She's talking about the book of

3161
03:19:50,900 --> 03:19:53,000
Deuteronomy different.
This is actually a Samaritan

3162
03:19:53,000 --> 03:19:55,800
guy.
So he's he's got his Torah

3163
03:19:55,800 --> 03:19:58,600
there, which predates Josiah.
So that's funny that she's

3164
03:19:58,600 --> 03:20:03,000
showing that because that does
not And that's funny.

3165
03:20:03,008 --> 03:20:06,500
Okay here we go.
The Torah Genesis Exodus have a

3166
03:20:06,500 --> 03:20:10,500
lot of references to the Lord.
God Yahweh Elohim and both are

3167
03:20:10,500 --> 03:20:12,200
present and they're both working
hand in hand.

3168
03:20:12,500 --> 03:20:15,100
And then we have other
references about the Tabernacle

3169
03:20:15,100 --> 03:20:17,700
and the importance of the temple
and the importance of God's

3170
03:20:17,700 --> 03:20:20,300
throne, in relationship to the
priesthood ordinances and the

3171
03:20:20,300 --> 03:20:23,300
sacrifices pointing to the great
sacrifice of God, and all of

3172
03:20:23,300 --> 03:20:24,800
those are taken out of the book
of Deuteronomy.

3173
03:20:25,700 --> 03:20:28,500
Okay Deuteronomy.
He's got like all those things

3174
03:20:28,500 --> 03:20:31,600
about talking pointing to the
sacrifice of Jesus, like those

3175
03:20:31,600 --> 03:20:34,300
are all gone from Deuteronomy.
Of course, it's not true.

3176
03:20:34,300 --> 03:20:37,300
Like anyone who's read
Deuteronomy like, does knows,

3177
03:20:37,300 --> 03:20:39,100
that's not true.
But I don't, I don't really

3178
03:20:39,100 --> 03:20:46,200
understand things like this.
I'm gonna fast forward here a

3179
03:20:46,200 --> 03:20:51,500
little bit to 915.
So this is just quoting this,

3180
03:20:51,500 --> 03:20:54,100
how Christ is quoting this Mom,
right?

3181
03:20:54,100 --> 03:21:00,200
As the greatest commandment I
say to be quoting false

3182
03:21:00,200 --> 03:21:02,000
scripture.
Good question.

3183
03:21:02,000 --> 03:21:04,200
Only changed a slight degree.
It's just changing the focus

3184
03:21:04,200 --> 03:21:05,900
onto the law.
And they asked you what's the

3185
03:21:05,900 --> 03:21:08,200
most important law and he turned
love God.

3186
03:21:08,200 --> 03:21:10,100
And of course, the second to
love your neighbor which he

3187
03:21:10,100 --> 03:21:14,400
takes that Leviticus 1918. but
as I look at the timing of these

3188
03:21:14,400 --> 03:21:18,500
changes, So, she says, Jesus
changed it but he'd actually

3189
03:21:18,500 --> 03:21:20,300
doesn't like Jesus.
Actually just quotes what

3190
03:21:20,300 --> 03:21:23,600
Deuteronomy says like.
He doesn't quote it different

3191
03:21:23,600 --> 03:21:25,700
than Deuteronomy he quotes.
Exactly what Deuteronomy says.

3192
03:21:25,700 --> 03:21:27,600
So I do not know what she's
talking about here.

3193
03:21:28,300 --> 03:21:31,700
If they did come to pass at the
time of Josiah, that means the

3194
03:21:31,700 --> 03:21:34,300
brass plates, that Lehi and
Nephi took probably had already

3195
03:21:34,300 --> 03:21:38,000
been So, I wanted to look at the
Book of Mormon and say they the

3196
03:21:38,000 --> 03:21:40,900
Shema is what most important
scriptures in all of the five

3197
03:21:40,900 --> 03:21:43,000
books of Moses.
Can we find them in the Book of

3198
03:21:43,000 --> 03:21:44,000
Mormon?
And so, I began looking.

3199
03:21:44,000 --> 03:21:45,600
I started out with this
wonderful verse about teaching

3200
03:21:45,600 --> 03:21:47,500
her children, I thought we've
got verses on teaching children.

3201
03:21:47,500 --> 03:21:49,200
We got new things, I've been
born, good parents and therefore

3202
03:21:49,200 --> 03:21:53,400
I was taught, you know, does it
refer to this Shimmer like found

3203
03:21:53,400 --> 03:21:55,200
second?
If I-25 one verse that we quote

3204
03:21:55,200 --> 03:21:58,200
often but look at the focus in
the Book of Mormon compared to

3205
03:21:58,200 --> 03:22:00,500
the focus in the show, not the
show, not just focused on the

3206
03:22:00,500 --> 03:22:03,700
law and listen to in the Book of
Mormon chapter 25, verse 26 in

3207
03:22:03,700 --> 03:22:06,900
second 85, we talk of Christ, we
rejoice in Christ, we preaching

3208
03:22:06,900 --> 03:22:09,100
Christ, we prophesy of Christ,
we write, according to our

3209
03:22:09,100 --> 03:22:11,100
prophecies, that our children
may know to what source they may

3210
03:22:11,100 --> 03:22:13,700
look for a mission of their
sins, and they can continue on

3211
03:22:13,700 --> 03:22:16,000
in verse 27.
Wherefore, we speak concerning

3212
03:22:16,000 --> 03:22:19,200
the law that our children may
know to the deadness of the law

3213
03:22:19,200 --> 03:22:23,000
and they Okay.
Actually when that go a little

3214
03:22:23,008 --> 03:22:28,600
longer but she goes on she talks
about how if the Shema is like

3215
03:22:28,600 --> 03:22:36,300
so important. uh, then, you
know, should why can't we find

3216
03:22:36,300 --> 03:22:42,700
it in the Why can't we find it
in the Book of Mormon?

3217
03:22:42,700 --> 03:22:47,300
And she can't find it and I
don't know why she can't find it

3218
03:22:47,300 --> 03:22:58,800
because it's right here. so, um,
I mean, move, I move these Tiles

3219
03:22:58,800 --> 03:23:03,400
around.
If I can Oh no.

3220
03:23:03,400 --> 03:23:06,100
Okay.
So, Shema is in.

3221
03:23:08,100 --> 03:23:11,700
Deuteronomy.
When I move when I move this

3222
03:23:11,700 --> 03:23:12,900
around, is it blocking your
view?

3223
03:23:12,900 --> 03:23:15,400
Can you see that probably can
what?

3224
03:23:15,400 --> 03:23:18,000
No, I can't see it.
Oh, okay, good.

3225
03:23:18,000 --> 03:23:21,300
You can see my cursor but not
the the zoom bar.

3226
03:23:21,300 --> 03:23:23,900
Yeah, that's correct.
Okay good.

3227
03:23:26,100 --> 03:23:30,800
Okay, Alma chapter 37.
Says, oh, remember my son and

3228
03:23:30,800 --> 03:23:34,900
learn wisdom in thy youth, gay,
learn in the youth to keep the

3229
03:23:34,900 --> 03:23:37,600
Commandments of God.
Yay, and crying to God for all

3230
03:23:37,600 --> 03:23:41,400
thy support.
Okay, and then you go to

3231
03:23:41,400 --> 03:23:48,600
Deuteronomy chapter 4 here and
it tells the people less self

3232
03:23:48,600 --> 03:23:51,700
forget, but teach them to your
sons and my son's son's.

3233
03:23:51,700 --> 03:23:55,000
So here is Alma saying, oh,
remember my son and teaching

3234
03:23:55,000 --> 03:23:57,700
teaching his son, this is a
commandment from Deuteronomy.

3235
03:23:59,700 --> 03:24:03,700
Um he says crying to God for
your support Deuteronomy says,

3236
03:24:03,700 --> 03:24:06,500
what nation is.
They're so great who hath God so

3237
03:24:06,500 --> 03:24:09,900
near, so nigh to them as the
Lord, our God is in all things

3238
03:24:09,900 --> 03:24:15,000
that we call upon him for.
And, and then here in green, it

3239
03:24:15,000 --> 03:24:18,400
says, therefore keep their for
and do them meaning, the

3240
03:24:18,400 --> 03:24:20,500
Commandments for this is your
wisdom.

3241
03:24:20,500 --> 03:24:24,600
So here, Alma says, learn wisdom
in that youth, learn to keep the

3242
03:24:24,600 --> 03:24:26,700
Commandments of God.
And then we go.

3243
03:24:26,700 --> 03:24:29,400
I mean, that's a pretty tight
parallel.

3244
03:24:29,400 --> 03:24:32,600
I think we go to the actual
Shema.

3245
03:24:33,500 --> 03:24:35,400
Which is in Deuteronomy, chapter
6.

3246
03:24:37,300 --> 03:24:40,500
So, in between in between four
and five, Moses gives the

3247
03:24:40,500 --> 03:24:42,800
Commandments, the ten command,
he like repeats, The Ten

3248
03:24:42,800 --> 03:24:45,700
Commandments.
And then in verse, in chapter 6,

3249
03:24:45,700 --> 03:24:49,100
he says hero Israel.
The Lord, our God is one Lord,

3250
03:24:49,100 --> 03:24:51,400
and thou shalt love the Lord thy
God, with all thine heart.

3251
03:24:51,400 --> 03:24:55,900
All thy soul, with all thy might
like your whole being so Alma

3252
03:24:55,900 --> 03:24:58,900
says, let all your thoughts be
directed unto the Lord.

3253
03:25:00,900 --> 03:25:03,900
And let the place on the Lord
forever.

3254
03:25:04,800 --> 03:25:06,700
Okay.
And he says, and these words, I

3255
03:25:06,700 --> 03:25:08,300
command these days shall be in
your heart.

3256
03:25:09,200 --> 03:25:11,600
So as this council with the Lord
and all you're doing, he will

3257
03:25:11,600 --> 03:25:16,500
direct thee for good.
And then again, it says Thou

3258
03:25:16,500 --> 03:25:19,000
shalt teach them diligently unto
your children, so here he is.

3259
03:25:19,000 --> 03:25:21,000
Oh, remember my son, learn these
things.

3260
03:25:21,000 --> 03:25:25,200
And then the Shema says, you
shall talk of them when you sit

3261
03:25:25,200 --> 03:25:29,600
in your inline house and when
you walk, by the way, So, he

3262
03:25:29,600 --> 03:25:32,600
says, let all your doing be in
the Lord and wherever you go, if

3263
03:25:32,600 --> 03:25:34,600
you're sitting in your house or
walking, by the way, wherever

3264
03:25:34,600 --> 03:25:38,800
you go, let it be in the Lord.
And the resting says, and when

3265
03:25:38,800 --> 03:25:43,300
you lie down and in the Shema,
and then in Alma says, and when

3266
03:25:43,300 --> 03:25:46,100
you lie down at night, light
down to the Lord, the email

3267
03:25:46,100 --> 03:25:48,800
watch over you to sleep and then
the Schmo says, and when you

3268
03:25:48,800 --> 03:25:52,000
rise up and the almost says, and
when you rise in the morning,

3269
03:25:52,000 --> 03:25:53,600
let your heart be full of thanks
to God.

3270
03:25:55,700 --> 03:25:57,800
Man, the it's like it's like
there.

3271
03:25:57,800 --> 03:26:00,300
It's like the Book of Mormon.
People have Deuteronomy.

3272
03:26:01,500 --> 03:26:06,600
Right.
Yeah, and I, you know, I think

3273
03:26:06,600 --> 03:26:12,100
they, I think they did.
So okay.

3274
03:26:13,200 --> 03:26:16,600
I'm gonna stop this sharing.
Need to look at how things can

3275
03:26:16,600 --> 03:26:20,000
be corrupted and what the truth
is behind them. for example, how

3276
03:26:20,000 --> 03:26:24,200
about the term, the Lord of
hosts Oh, that is a term.

3277
03:26:24,208 --> 03:26:26,000
That is not used and I don't
believe it's used at all.

3278
03:26:26,008 --> 03:26:30,700
I think in any of the
deuteronomic books So I'm gonna

3279
03:26:30,708 --> 03:26:33,400
stop right there.
It is true.

3280
03:26:33,400 --> 03:26:36,700
This is this is one of the
things like people like these.

3281
03:26:36,700 --> 03:26:38,700
Uh these people pushing this
idea.

3282
03:26:38,700 --> 03:26:40,200
They say things and you have to
go check.

3283
03:26:40,200 --> 03:26:43,200
So it is true.
That Deuteronomy does not use.

3284
03:26:44,000 --> 03:26:47,000
Lord of hosts.
And he's this is a criticism in

3285
03:26:47,000 --> 03:26:48,700
his mind.
This is evidence because Lord of

3286
03:26:48,708 --> 03:26:54,200
hosts implies that there's other
Angelic beings So and of course,

3287
03:26:54,208 --> 03:26:57,400
the deuteronomist hypothesis
partly is that Angelic beings

3288
03:26:57,400 --> 03:26:59,300
and spiritual experiences are
unknown.

3289
03:26:59,300 --> 03:27:03,400
So, so he says Deuteronomy and
the deuteronomic books do not

3290
03:27:03,400 --> 03:27:04,900
use.
Lord of hosts, will it is true

3291
03:27:04,900 --> 03:27:08,200
Deuteronomy doesn't but neither
is that term found in any of the

3292
03:27:08,208 --> 03:27:11,300
other books of the Torah?
It's not in Genesis Exodus the

3293
03:27:11,300 --> 03:27:14,500
videos are numbers either.
So that's not really an

3294
03:27:14,500 --> 03:27:17,100
indictment against Deuteronomy
and then in the deuteronomic

3295
03:27:17,100 --> 03:27:20,600
history.
So Joshua Judges, Ruth, Samuel,

3296
03:27:20,600 --> 03:27:27,700
Samuel King's It does appear.
Okay, so it's in Kings 13 times

3297
03:27:27,700 --> 03:27:31,600
in Jeremiah, which is one of the
actually Margaret Barker

3298
03:27:31,600 --> 03:27:33,800
believes and many other people
do to believe.

3299
03:27:33,800 --> 03:27:38,300
Jeremiah is the the author. of
Deuteronomy because Jeremiah is

3300
03:27:38,300 --> 03:27:41,000
like, Criticizing them for their
idolatry.

3301
03:27:42,900 --> 03:27:45,700
And Jeremiah uses the term 71
times.

3302
03:27:50,300 --> 03:27:55,100
So according to them, Jeremiah
uses it 71 times in Jeremiah.

3303
03:27:55,100 --> 03:27:58,500
But when he goes to write
Deuteronomy, he doesn't use the

3304
03:27:58,500 --> 03:28:00,900
term at all.
That's right.

3305
03:28:01,900 --> 03:28:05,100
Yeah, that's right.
So anyway, it's in.

3306
03:28:05,100 --> 03:28:06,900
It's in the other deuteronomic
books as well.

3307
03:28:06,900 --> 03:28:11,100
So what he just said there is
just factually incorrect.

3308
03:28:11,100 --> 03:28:13,300
So keep that.
Keep this going.

3309
03:28:13,300 --> 03:28:15,200
What does it mean?
Why would they not use that?

3310
03:28:15,200 --> 03:28:18,400
Why is that non-existent there?
well, imagine how something can

3311
03:28:18,400 --> 03:28:22,100
become corrupted if there is
Idol worshiping and and people

3312
03:28:22,100 --> 03:28:24,700
start Worshiping, all these
hosts of Heaven?

3313
03:28:26,100 --> 03:28:30,100
And you have a theology like the
deuteronomist did of a single

3314
03:28:30,100 --> 03:28:34,300
god without any father, in any
son and you want to flatten the

3315
03:28:34,300 --> 03:28:38,300
higher, so to speak into one
single entity, God called

3316
03:28:38,300 --> 03:28:40,600
Jehovah.
And you want to get rid of the

3317
03:28:40,600 --> 03:28:44,300
premortal life.
Which is represented in the holy

3318
03:28:44,300 --> 03:28:47,000
of holies.
Where the council happens,

3319
03:28:47,000 --> 03:28:48,000
right?
The council in heaven happens.

3320
03:28:48,000 --> 03:28:49,800
That's what the Holy Holy.
That's where the Throne of God

3321
03:28:49,800 --> 03:28:52,400
is and we see all these other
Temple images and Visions from

3322
03:28:52,400 --> 03:28:53,900
profits.
Like in the Book of Mormon.

3323
03:28:53,900 --> 03:28:56,900
In the very first chapter of
Nephi, Lehigh has a vision of

3324
03:28:56,900 --> 03:29:01,700
God on the throne, Surrounded by
12 and then surrounded by

3325
03:29:01,708 --> 03:29:05,200
concourses of angels, hosts of
angels that are praising God.

3326
03:29:05,200 --> 03:29:10,500
So if I have a theology that
wants to limit all of that,

3327
03:29:10,500 --> 03:29:14,400
reduce it all down to one single
entity, which also gets rid of

3328
03:29:14,400 --> 03:29:17,100
Christ.
Okay.

3329
03:29:19,100 --> 03:29:21,100
So there you go.
That's that's you know, pretty

3330
03:29:21,100 --> 03:29:25,300
skating indictment.
But even though Deuteronomy

3331
03:29:25,300 --> 03:29:30,400
doesn't use the term Lord of
hosts and neither does any of

3332
03:29:30,400 --> 03:29:33,600
the other books in the Torah,
deuteronomic, the other

3333
03:29:33,608 --> 03:29:38,300
deuteronomic books do plenty.
And, and actually Deuteronomy

3334
03:29:42,700 --> 03:29:54,400
Deuteronomy does have visions of
or this idea of the Of the hosts

3335
03:29:54,400 --> 03:29:57,200
of Heaven.
It's actually mentioned so, King

3336
03:29:57,200 --> 03:30:01,800
James Bible, Deuteronomy 32
verse 8 says, when the most high

3337
03:30:01,800 --> 03:30:05,400
divided to the nation's their
inheritance, when he separated

3338
03:30:05,400 --> 03:30:08,600
the sons of Adam, he set the
bounds of the people according

3339
03:30:08,600 --> 03:30:14,300
to the number of the children of
Israel. okay, now that didn't

3340
03:30:14,300 --> 03:30:18,100
say anything about Heavenly
hosts, but if you actually go to

3341
03:30:18,100 --> 03:30:21,900
the Septuagint, Step two agent
version says, when the most high

3342
03:30:21,900 --> 03:30:23,900
gave the nation's their
inheritance, when he divided up

3343
03:30:23,900 --> 03:30:27,000
human kind, he set the
boundaries of their peoples.

3344
03:30:27,000 --> 03:30:29,600
According to the number of the
Heavenly assembly.

3345
03:30:32,200 --> 03:30:37,100
Okay, and if you look in the New
Living Translation, it says he

3346
03:30:37,100 --> 03:30:39,600
established the boundaries of
the people according to the

3347
03:30:39,600 --> 03:30:46,400
number of his Heavenly Court.
And in the ESV it says he

3348
03:30:46,400 --> 03:30:48,900
divided up the people of the
Earth according to the number of

3349
03:30:48,900 --> 03:30:51,000
the sons of God.
So these are these are

3350
03:30:51,000 --> 03:30:54,500
references to the Divine Council
that the Heavenly courts.

3351
03:30:55,500 --> 03:31:02,800
Now. now in the in the NLT and
the ESV there, they differ from

3352
03:31:02,800 --> 03:31:07,100
the King James even though the
NLT in the ESB were translated

3353
03:31:07,100 --> 03:31:10,700
from the Hebrew, but the reason
is that they when they made

3354
03:31:10,700 --> 03:31:14,800
their translation, they actually
consulted the Septuagint And

3355
03:31:14,800 --> 03:31:17,600
when the step two agent
differed, sometimes they'll go

3356
03:31:17,600 --> 03:31:19,200
with the agent sometimes with
the Hebrew.

3357
03:31:19,200 --> 03:31:24,900
And so people might say, aha,
see the words changed, so that's

3358
03:31:24,900 --> 03:31:27,100
evidence of the deuteronomist,
right?

3359
03:31:27,900 --> 03:31:32,700
but you have to remember this
timeline, So yes, the Hebrew is

3360
03:31:32,700 --> 03:31:38,000
different from the Greek
Septuagint. but that change if

3361
03:31:38,000 --> 03:31:44,200
it happened was after, After Joe
Sia, not during or before,

3362
03:31:44,200 --> 03:31:46,700
right?
Just like the Book of Mormon,

3363
03:31:46,700 --> 03:31:53,600
says, not like Margaret.
Barker says so, Hmm.

3364
03:31:53,600 --> 03:31:57,200
Okay.
Go to 2949.

3365
03:31:59,000 --> 03:32:01,200
Okay, what they do is they
consolidate power into one

3366
03:32:01,200 --> 03:32:02,900
Central place only and that's in
Jerusalem.

3367
03:32:02,900 --> 03:32:05,200
So they have complete control
over this.

3368
03:32:06,200 --> 03:32:11,000
And and this seems to be the
what Jesus confronts when he is

3369
03:32:11,000 --> 03:32:13,800
in his more life.
And okay, there you go, those

3370
03:32:13,800 --> 03:32:15,400
deuteronomist.
They just want to consolidate

3371
03:32:15,400 --> 03:32:17,200
power.
Okay.

3372
03:32:17,200 --> 03:32:21,200
And what did you say, complete
control over?

3373
03:32:24,300 --> 03:32:27,500
The Narrative essential?
Yeah, complete control over

3374
03:32:27,500 --> 03:32:31,400
everything, the political and
the religious religious life of

3375
03:32:31,400 --> 03:32:36,400
the people. now, if you actually
read Deuteronomy, though, It

3376
03:32:36,400 --> 03:32:39,900
doesn't.
Like this is the this is the

3377
03:32:39,908 --> 03:32:42,300
hypothesis but you just read
Deuteronomy and it doesn't

3378
03:32:42,300 --> 03:32:46,500
really support that very well.
So I'm going to read what

3379
03:32:46,500 --> 03:32:52,600
Deuteronomy Deuteronomy?
Chapter 1 verse 9 says, Is Moses

3380
03:32:52,600 --> 03:32:56,400
speaking and I speak unto you at
that time saying he's recounting

3381
03:32:56,400 --> 03:32:59,400
an episode, that happened in the
wilderness.

3382
03:32:59,400 --> 03:33:02,500
I speak into you at that time
saying, I am not able to Bear

3383
03:33:02,500 --> 03:33:05,900
you myself alone, the Lord your
God, hath multiplied, you and

3384
03:33:05,900 --> 03:33:08,700
behold you are this day as the
stars of Heaven for multitude.

3385
03:33:09,600 --> 03:33:13,700
The Lord God of your fathers
make you 1,000 times so many

3386
03:33:13,700 --> 03:33:17,300
more as you are bless you.
As you have promised you How can

3387
03:33:17,300 --> 03:33:19,500
I myself alone?
Bear your Temperance, and your

3388
03:33:19,500 --> 03:33:23,500
burden and your Strife, take you
wise, men and understanding and

3389
03:33:23,500 --> 03:33:26,500
no one among your tribes and I
will set them apart.

3390
03:33:26,500 --> 03:33:30,200
Make them rulers over you.
And he answered me and said, the

3391
03:33:30,200 --> 03:33:32,300
thing which I was spoken is good
for us to do.

3392
03:33:32,300 --> 03:33:35,400
So, I took the chief of your
tribes wise, men and known and

3393
03:33:35,400 --> 03:33:37,500
made them heads over.
You Captain's over, thousands

3394
03:33:37,500 --> 03:33:40,800
captains, over 100 captains,
over 50s, and captains over tens

3395
03:33:40,800 --> 03:33:44,300
and officers among your tribes.
And I charged your judges.

3396
03:33:44,300 --> 03:33:47,500
At that time, saying here the
causes between your brother and

3397
03:33:47,500 --> 03:33:50,300
a judge righteously between
every man and his brother and

3398
03:33:50,300 --> 03:33:52,900
the stranger that is with him,
he shall not respect persons in

3399
03:33:52,900 --> 03:33:56,300
judgment, but ye shall hear the
small as well as the great.

3400
03:33:56,300 --> 03:33:59,300
You shall not be afraid of the
face of man for the judgment is

3401
03:33:59,300 --> 03:34:02,300
God's and the and the cause that
is too hard for you.

3402
03:34:02,300 --> 03:34:03,800
Bring it up to me and I will
hear it.

3403
03:34:04,700 --> 03:34:07,100
So right out of the bat
Deuteronomy is talking about,

3404
03:34:07,100 --> 03:34:11,000
like democratically elected
officials.

3405
03:34:11,800 --> 03:34:16,300
The government.
Chosen by the people and a

3406
03:34:16,300 --> 03:34:20,200
system of judges.
And so like just saying the

3407
03:34:20,200 --> 03:34:23,200
deuteronomist are all just about
like consolidating control to

3408
03:34:23,200 --> 03:34:26,400
themselves.
I it doesn't really fly for me.

3409
03:34:27,600 --> 03:34:31,500
Know.
Know, because if I'm not

3410
03:34:31,500 --> 03:34:35,000
mistaken, I think this is the
first time period we ever see.

3411
03:34:36,200 --> 03:34:40,700
A democratic, you know,
Democratic Republic, kind of

3412
03:34:40,700 --> 03:34:46,300
image.
Um, Scenario set up right there.

3413
03:34:46,300 --> 03:34:50,800
There's not another one prior to
that, that's unprecedented.

3414
03:34:50,800 --> 03:34:53,000
Yep.
Yeah.

3415
03:34:53,000 --> 03:35:02,100
So Anyway.
Okay. you're gonna get, It.

3416
03:35:02,100 --> 03:35:04,700
We're gonna get tired of just
seeing what?

3417
03:35:05,800 --> 03:35:08,700
The deuteronomist hypothesis say
and then checking the scriptures

3418
03:35:08,700 --> 03:35:11,900
and finding out that it's not
really as they as they are

3419
03:35:11,900 --> 03:35:16,400
saying.
So, Okay, so this is this is

3420
03:35:16,408 --> 03:35:20,200
along those same lines about
like consolidation of the power,

3421
03:35:20,200 --> 03:35:22,100
okay?
I'll go through this list quick

3422
03:35:22,100 --> 03:35:23,700
and then we can check out what
we're talking about, okay?

3423
03:35:23,700 --> 03:35:27,200
So send Kings 23 and Deuteronomy
12 too talks about there's only

3424
03:35:27,200 --> 03:35:29,400
one official altar where you can
have an altar.

3425
03:35:29,400 --> 03:35:31,700
Yeah now it doesn't say
Jerusalem anywhere and do remind

3426
03:35:31,700 --> 03:35:33,200
me 12, you read it, it's not in
there but what it will say is

3427
03:35:33,200 --> 03:35:35,200
the place where God shall choose
to put his name Hashem.

3428
03:35:35,200 --> 03:35:36,800
The name, that's where he puts
his name is, where the altar

3429
03:35:36,800 --> 03:35:38,600
shall be in the Assumption, and
Deuteronomy is that's Jerusalem.

3430
03:35:39,500 --> 03:35:41,900
So this is the this is actually
an amazing thing.

3431
03:35:41,900 --> 03:35:51,300
He just said, One Truth and One
Lie. the truth is, he said, It

3432
03:35:51,300 --> 03:35:54,000
doesn't say, Jerusalem anywhere
in Deuteronomy chapter 12.

3433
03:35:54,000 --> 03:35:58,500
That is true that he says, the
Assumption in Deuteronomy, is

3434
03:35:58,500 --> 03:36:01,800
that it is talking about
Jerusalem, where does he get

3435
03:36:01,800 --> 03:36:03,300
that?
Because actually, it's not just

3436
03:36:03,300 --> 03:36:06,200
Deuteronomy 12, but it's the
entire book of Deuteronomy does

3437
03:36:06,200 --> 03:36:10,200
not mention Jerusalem anywhere.
And so this assumption that he's

3438
03:36:10,200 --> 03:36:13,200
talking about is his actually,
it's his assumption that is the

3439
03:36:13,200 --> 03:36:15,200
Assumption of the Deuteronomy
hypothesis.

3440
03:36:16,200 --> 03:36:17,800
That they are putting onto the
text.

3441
03:36:18,700 --> 03:36:21,900
It actually does not say that
okay.

3442
03:36:25,300 --> 03:36:26,600
Hang tight.
I got a question.

3443
03:36:26,600 --> 03:36:30,000
Yeah.
Why should we expect it to

3444
03:36:30,000 --> 03:36:33,300
mention Jerusalem?
They haven't Jerusalem, hasn't

3445
03:36:33,300 --> 03:36:34,900
been founded as a city yet,
right?

3446
03:36:34,900 --> 03:36:37,200
Correct.
Yes.

3447
03:36:37,200 --> 03:36:40,900
Yes, you are correct.
So and it doesn't say it.

3448
03:36:40,900 --> 03:36:45,300
And the other thing the crazy
thing is, they say, well, You

3449
03:36:45,300 --> 03:36:48,400
know, Jerusalem is going to end
up being it, but it's actually

3450
03:36:48,400 --> 03:36:51,100
quite a while.
So, supposedly these

3451
03:36:51,100 --> 03:36:55,700
deuteronomist.
I mean it's not just its to the

3452
03:36:55,700 --> 03:36:56,900
temple that I mean that's what
it is.

3453
03:36:56,900 --> 03:36:59,500
It's you're supposed to bring
your offerings to the temple.

3454
03:36:59,500 --> 03:37:05,100
That's what Deuteronomy
Deuteronomy is not saying that

3455
03:37:05,100 --> 03:37:08,400
there's only one Temple.
And we know that or one

3456
03:37:08,400 --> 03:37:12,000
location, we know that because
when they get into the land the

3457
03:37:12,000 --> 03:37:15,400
Tabernacle moves around quite a
few different places before it,

3458
03:37:15,400 --> 03:37:19,200
finally, settles in Jerusalem.
And then, eventually the temple

3459
03:37:19,200 --> 03:37:24,300
is built by Solomon.
While Solomon's Temple is in

3460
03:37:24,300 --> 03:37:26,700
operation.
We have.

3461
03:37:27,800 --> 03:37:31,200
A bunch of other Jewish temples.
We have the one in elephantine

3462
03:37:31,200 --> 03:37:37,700
and the one in Leon topless that
The dimensioned.

3463
03:37:43,400 --> 03:37:45,700
So, this is the kind of the
relationship between Jerusalem

3464
03:37:45,700 --> 03:37:48,500
and Lee and topless there.
Okay.

3465
03:37:48,500 --> 03:37:51,700
And you know, here's the amazing
thing too, it's not just like,

3466
03:37:51,700 --> 03:37:55,300
oh, this was, this was a rogue
temple in Leon topless.

3467
03:37:55,300 --> 03:38:00,300
I will, I will say that the
historical record is clear that

3468
03:38:00,300 --> 03:38:07,500
there was a rivalry. okay, but
the ancient Jewish writing say

3469
03:38:08,700 --> 03:38:11,800
You know, written by people in
Jerusalem, say the Jerusalem

3470
03:38:11,800 --> 03:38:15,000
Temple is preferred.
But if you go and do your

3471
03:38:15,000 --> 03:38:18,600
offerings at the Temple of
onias, that's what it's called.

3472
03:38:18,600 --> 03:38:21,800
Temple of anayas, which is in
Leon, topless or heliopolis.

3473
03:38:21,800 --> 03:38:25,400
If you do your sacrifices there,
it's, it's okay, like, it's,

3474
03:38:25,400 --> 03:38:29,300
it's accepted.
And if you have a vow and you

3475
03:38:29,300 --> 03:38:35,200
redeem it, there it's good.
And if there's priests from Leon

3476
03:38:35,200 --> 03:38:37,700
topless from, you know, the
Temple of Anais, and they come

3477
03:38:37,700 --> 03:38:40,800
to Jerusalem for a visit, we're
not going to allow them to

3478
03:38:40,800 --> 03:38:44,100
officiate, but they are allowed
to eat the holy things while

3479
03:38:44,100 --> 03:38:50,300
they're here. so, it's not like,
It's not like, um, the people

3480
03:38:50,300 --> 03:38:55,400
who had the book of Deuteronomy
interpreted it the way that Mike

3481
03:38:55,400 --> 03:38:57,200
is saying that they interpreted
it.

3482
03:38:57,800 --> 03:38:59,000
They did not interpret it that
way.

3483
03:39:00,200 --> 03:39:01,700
Right.
Yeah.

3484
03:39:01,700 --> 03:39:04,600
And then, of course, we have, we
have extra temples in the Book

3485
03:39:04,600 --> 03:39:06,800
of Mormon, too, and Nimble more
people.

3486
03:39:06,808 --> 03:39:09,400
They build more than one Temple.
They have Nephi.

3487
03:39:09,400 --> 03:39:12,700
And is there a hemla and
bountiful, right?

3488
03:39:13,800 --> 03:39:23,900
Yeah.
So um, I will get more into this

3489
03:39:23,900 --> 03:39:28,300
later, but what, what, what
Deuteronomy is actually saying,

3490
03:39:28,300 --> 03:39:31,800
and what the ancient Jews
understood and what the ancient

3491
03:39:31,800 --> 03:39:34,500
Nephites understood as well.
Like they harm, they harmonize

3492
03:39:34,500 --> 03:39:37,100
with each other, they do not
harmonize with the deuteronomist

3493
03:39:37,100 --> 03:39:40,500
ideas, but the ancient Jews
agent he bites, they harmonize

3494
03:39:40,500 --> 03:39:44,100
with each other which is
basically, in a nutshell, if you

3495
03:39:44,100 --> 03:39:47,800
are close enough to a temple,
then you ought to bring your

3496
03:39:47,800 --> 03:39:52,000
offerings there. instead of
building an altar and offering

3497
03:39:52,000 --> 03:39:55,700
it yourself, That's, that is
what you saying that is, what

3498
03:39:55,700 --> 03:39:58,500
the agent Jews and the fights
understood and they're in

3499
03:39:58,500 --> 03:40:03,500
agreement.
So Oh okay.

3500
03:40:03,508 --> 03:40:07,000
Which actually holds like water
even with fundamentalism a

3501
03:40:07,000 --> 03:40:10,600
little bit, right?
This idea of you know, a temple

3502
03:40:10,600 --> 03:40:15,200
is preferred but in times of
strife like Like fundamentals

3503
03:40:15,200 --> 03:40:18,000
have been in for the better part
of 100 years.

3504
03:40:18,000 --> 03:40:21,600
You do the best you can, right?
You dedicate other spaces to get

3505
03:40:21,608 --> 03:40:22,900
it done.
Yes.

3506
03:40:22,900 --> 03:40:25,600
That's right.
So that's exactly right.

3507
03:40:25,600 --> 03:40:28,700
Okay.
That's the place where God Wells

3508
03:40:28,700 --> 03:40:30,200
and his, he's residing or his
presence.

3509
03:40:30,200 --> 03:40:32,100
Is there.
And he is manifestly seen and

3510
03:40:32,100 --> 03:40:33,000
he's anthropomorphic.
Yeah.

3511
03:40:33,000 --> 03:40:35,700
The anthropomorphisms in
Deuteronomy are removed and for

3512
03:40:35,700 --> 03:40:39,600
Layman like me, you're gonna
explain me this that God has a

3513
03:40:39,600 --> 03:40:42,400
nose and fingers and eyes and
anthropomorphisms, are these

3514
03:40:42,400 --> 03:40:43,700
descriptions of God.
Like think about when you're on

3515
03:40:43,700 --> 03:40:44,400
your mission.
Did you ever have anybody say

3516
03:40:44,400 --> 03:40:48,800
you can't see God?
oh, Okay, because no one can see

3517
03:40:48,800 --> 03:40:49,600
him.
And you're like, well, Moses

3518
03:40:49,600 --> 03:40:51,800
speak to him.
What to, what ya face to face to

3519
03:40:51,800 --> 03:40:54,800
face is a man speaks to his
friend look okay, so he says the

3520
03:40:54,800 --> 03:40:57,200
anthropomorphisms like
describing God is having a body

3521
03:40:57,200 --> 03:41:00,100
or parts, like those are removed
from Deuteronomy, that's what he

3522
03:41:00,108 --> 03:41:03,900
said, but You know, I I've never
researched this before but I

3523
03:41:03,900 --> 03:41:06,300
just watched this and just
everything that they say I'm

3524
03:41:06,300 --> 03:41:07,300
just like, oh I'm just gonna
check that.

3525
03:41:07,300 --> 03:41:11,400
So I was like did a word search
and Deuteronomy for body parts

3526
03:41:11,400 --> 03:41:17,700
hand fingers, arm face feet
whatever and in Deuteronomy God

3527
03:41:17,700 --> 03:41:22,700
sees and he has an eye and he
has eyes and he walks and his

3528
03:41:22,700 --> 03:41:25,900
feet are mentioned and his hands
are mentioned many times.

3529
03:41:25,900 --> 03:41:29,400
And his right hand specifically
is mentioned and his finger is

3530
03:41:29,400 --> 03:41:32,300
mentioned and his arm is
mentioned numerous times and his

3531
03:41:32,300 --> 03:41:35,000
face is mentioned and his
mentions his nose and says that

3532
03:41:35,000 --> 03:41:37,000
God sees and hears and smells
and eats.

3533
03:41:37,600 --> 03:41:40,000
This is in Deuteronomy, Mike
just said all the

3534
03:41:40,000 --> 03:41:42,700
anthropomorphic references
Deuteronomy are removed but

3535
03:41:42,700 --> 03:41:46,100
like, it's just like, it's just
as full of anthropomorphic,

3536
03:41:46,100 --> 03:41:48,700
references, as any other book
could be.

3537
03:41:48,700 --> 03:41:53,200
I don't even understand where I
guess coming from Margaret.

3538
03:41:53,200 --> 03:41:55,100
Barker, something like you read
Margaret Barker, instead of

3539
03:41:55,108 --> 03:41:59,200
Deuteronomy, I don't know.
But I just did a word search and

3540
03:41:59,200 --> 03:42:03,000
like this one up.
You know, and that's interesting

3541
03:42:03,000 --> 03:42:04,400
that you're finding all this,
right?

3542
03:42:04,400 --> 03:42:08,200
But I want to say this isn't the
only field we see this in,

3543
03:42:08,200 --> 03:42:11,000
right?
This idea of rather than read

3544
03:42:11,000 --> 03:42:14,900
the sources itself, you're going
to focus your studies on what

3545
03:42:14,900 --> 03:42:17,900
other people have to say about
the text.

3546
03:42:18,900 --> 03:42:22,500
That you would all the time with
the Constitution and case law.

3547
03:42:22,500 --> 03:42:27,700
Yeah, it does skew things right
because when all the sudden, you

3548
03:42:27,700 --> 03:42:29,500
don't let the text speak for
itself.

3549
03:42:30,400 --> 03:42:31,800
You can get away with a lot
more.

3550
03:42:31,800 --> 03:42:35,500
Yeah.
You can start to deviate. pretty

3551
03:42:35,500 --> 03:42:39,100
quickly, if you're just Experts
quoting experts, quoting.

3552
03:42:39,100 --> 03:42:41,500
Experts and no one goes back to
bother, you know, to look at

3553
03:42:41,508 --> 03:42:43,600
what the text said, right?
Yeah.

3554
03:42:44,400 --> 03:42:46,700
Okay, one more here.
This is.

3555
03:42:46,700 --> 03:42:51,000
I mean this is just I'm just
gonna fast forward a couple of

3556
03:42:51,000 --> 03:42:55,000
minutes.
The ways you would have to get

3557
03:42:55,000 --> 03:42:57,100
Jesus out of the Old Testament
is by getting rid of the idea of

3558
03:42:57,100 --> 03:42:58,900
an anthropomorphized God.
Disembodied, God, make him

3559
03:42:58,900 --> 03:43:00,200
transcend it.
So that's the name of the other

3560
03:43:00,200 --> 03:43:02,100
one is the secret things.
You're on a 2929 says

3561
03:43:02,100 --> 03:43:04,100
essentially, that the secret
things are only to worry about

3562
03:43:04,100 --> 03:43:06,300
God, that's kind of his domain.
The secret things that

3563
03:43:06,300 --> 03:43:07,800
Mysteries.
You just worry about keeping the

3564
03:43:07,808 --> 03:43:10,200
law and then Deuteronomy, 412 we
have to read this.

3565
03:43:10,200 --> 03:43:11,800
So go to Army for 12, this is a
must read.

3566
03:43:12,900 --> 03:43:14,900
Talk about rewriting the
scriptures and many biblical

3567
03:43:14,900 --> 03:43:16,600
Scholars.
This is a must read.

3568
03:43:16,600 --> 03:43:18,600
This is the tutor on this
rewriting the scriptures to fit

3569
03:43:18,600 --> 03:43:20,200
their theological view, which
ironically enough.

3570
03:43:20,200 --> 03:43:21,500
Do you want me says?
You can't do that.

3571
03:43:21,500 --> 03:43:22,800
Don't be right scripture and
then we write it.

3572
03:43:22,808 --> 03:43:24,800
Okay.
So Jack before us, this is 12,

3573
03:43:24,800 --> 03:43:26,900
this is God speaking to Moses.
And this is what he says in for

3574
03:43:26,900 --> 03:43:29,500
12 and the Lord spake unto you
out of the midst of the fire.

3575
03:43:29,500 --> 03:43:31,700
He heard the voice of the words
but son.

3576
03:43:31,700 --> 03:43:34,000
No, similitude only Heard a
Voice Moses.

3577
03:43:34,000 --> 03:43:36,700
I know what exit says that you
saw me, but you didn't all you

3578
03:43:36,700 --> 03:43:38,000
heard was the voice.
That's it.

3579
03:43:38,000 --> 03:43:39,000
You didn't see me.
Yeah.

3580
03:43:39,000 --> 03:43:40,900
Because in Exodus, it says he
saw the face.

3581
03:43:40,900 --> 03:43:44,800
Yeah, it's 24 verses 9 to 11.
Moses Nate app Aaron and Abu in

3582
03:43:44,800 --> 03:43:46,300
the 70 sons of Israel.
Go to the top of the mountain

3583
03:43:46,300 --> 03:43:48,300
and they have a covenantal meal
with the way in face-to-face.

3584
03:43:48,300 --> 03:43:50,900
That is the quintessential
essence of coming into God's

3585
03:43:50,900 --> 03:43:53,500
presence of the Holy is where
the king miraculously feed you.

3586
03:43:54,900 --> 03:43:57,300
Okay, so there we go.
That's a, that's a pretty big

3587
03:43:57,300 --> 03:43:58,900
contradiction.
Deuteronomy says.

3588
03:44:00,100 --> 03:44:02,200
You can't see God.
You didn't see God.

3589
03:44:02,200 --> 03:44:12,100
God has no body. and, But Exodus
says otherwise, right so now I'm

3590
03:44:12,100 --> 03:44:13,300
gonna, I'm gonna go to one more
here.

3591
03:44:15,200 --> 03:44:16,900
This is a Margaret, Barker
herself.

3592
03:44:16,900 --> 03:44:19,900
The seventh of the Lord are in
there with him revelation, 22

3593
03:44:19,900 --> 03:44:22,100
verse 4, they shall see his
face.

3594
03:44:22,100 --> 03:44:23,700
His name shall be on their
foreheads.

3595
03:44:23,700 --> 03:44:25,900
Now, that's just not throw away
line.

3596
03:44:25,900 --> 03:44:29,000
That's the key thing.
They are back and they see the

3597
03:44:29,000 --> 03:44:32,400
face of the Lord.
Now, the deuteronomist had.

3598
03:44:32,400 --> 03:44:35,100
None of this, the deuteronomist
emphasized that there was no

3599
03:44:35,100 --> 03:44:40,400
vision that you saw, you never
saw the Lord dear chapter 4, let

3600
03:44:40,400 --> 03:44:41,900
me find you the bit.
You don't want to be chapter 4.

3601
03:44:42,800 --> 03:44:46,200
First 12, this is their account
of Sinai and they call Sinai

3602
03:44:46,200 --> 03:44:48,300
Hall rep for some reasonably
chapter 4.

3603
03:44:48,300 --> 03:44:51,300
Verse 12, the Lord spoke to you
out of the midst of the fire.

3604
03:44:51,300 --> 03:44:54,300
You heard the sound of words but
you saw no form.

3605
03:44:54,300 --> 03:44:57,700
There was only a voice.
So for the Deuteronomy say

3606
03:44:57,700 --> 03:45:00,100
absolutely, you can't see the
Lord.

3607
03:45:00,100 --> 03:45:02,800
So why do you think?
Because this is, and it's funny

3608
03:45:02,800 --> 03:45:05,200
because atheists will use this
as an argument to discredit the

3609
03:45:05,200 --> 03:45:06,000
Bible and say it's not worth
anything.

3610
03:45:06,000 --> 03:45:07,500
Like look, there's obvious
contradictions in here.

3611
03:45:07,508 --> 03:45:10,700
Why were the Deuteronomy are
those who put together an edited

3612
03:45:10,700 --> 03:45:12,100
the Bible?
Why were they okay with just

3613
03:45:12,100 --> 03:45:17,800
keep seeing that in Exodus?
Does he think that they just

3614
03:45:17,800 --> 03:45:20,100
kind of I would put that?
I would know the answer to that.

3615
03:45:20,100 --> 03:45:22,600
Why it is that the book of ice
and indeed the book of The

3616
03:45:22,608 --> 03:45:25,400
Prophet's, the books of the
prophets are in the Hebrew

3617
03:45:25,400 --> 03:45:27,100
scriptures.
That's a very big question.

3618
03:45:27,100 --> 03:45:30,900
She would they, they're very
confused and they would like to

3619
03:45:30,908 --> 03:45:35,900
know Why Deuteronomy says you
can't see God face to face?

3620
03:45:37,200 --> 03:45:40,500
But Exodus does and the other
prophets, they see God and

3621
03:45:40,500 --> 03:45:42,600
stuff.
I mean, I'm gonna answer, I'm

3622
03:45:42,600 --> 03:45:45,100
gonna answer that for him here
in a minute, because there is

3623
03:45:45,108 --> 03:45:48,700
this dividing line that goes
right through one of the key

3624
03:45:48,700 --> 03:45:50,600
notes of the Deuteronomy.
So you can't see the Lord.

3625
03:45:50,600 --> 03:45:52,200
They didn't believe what we call
it Foundation, okay?

3626
03:45:52,200 --> 03:45:56,600
So and I see the Lord and human
form is he killed at the end of

3627
03:45:56,600 --> 03:45:59,000
chapter one, The likeness of the
glory of the Lord, It's in human

3628
03:45:59,008 --> 03:46:00,800
form, but the Deuteronomy said,
no, no.

3629
03:46:00,800 --> 03:46:03,000
You just hear the words, there's
no human form.

3630
03:46:03,000 --> 03:46:04,800
That's one of the
characteristics, and that was

3631
03:46:04,800 --> 03:46:06,500
one of the things they didn't
like about the first temple.

3632
03:46:07,800 --> 03:46:09,700
Okay.
I'm actually.

3633
03:46:11,200 --> 03:46:13,800
I've heard I've heard this line
of reasoning.

3634
03:46:13,800 --> 03:46:18,300
Several times by Margaret Barker
and by other of like her

3635
03:46:18,300 --> 03:46:24,800
proponents and I am, I am
seriously embarrassed that I'm

3636
03:46:24,800 --> 03:46:29,100
seriously embarrassed that the
Paul the Paul Brothers there

3637
03:46:29,100 --> 03:46:33,100
sitting there that they just
gulp this down and they're so

3638
03:46:34,600 --> 03:46:38,500
Just to put it bluntly.
That's like scripturally.

3639
03:46:38,500 --> 03:46:45,000
Illiterate actually I actually
showed this to my children.

3640
03:46:46,200 --> 03:46:49,000
This supposed contradiction I
said, how can you explain this

3641
03:46:49,000 --> 03:46:52,700
to me like my eight year old?
Has enough.

3642
03:46:55,400 --> 03:46:57,800
Reading comprehension and
knowledge about the scriptures

3643
03:46:57,800 --> 03:47:01,300
to explain.
What's going on?

3644
03:47:01,300 --> 03:47:06,100
So I'm going to Its.
I can't even.

3645
03:47:09,400 --> 03:47:14,300
Okay.
So there's that.

3646
03:47:14,300 --> 03:47:16,400
Let's see.
Okay, so here's the, here's the

3647
03:47:16,400 --> 03:47:18,100
contradiction that they're
saying, right?

3648
03:47:18,100 --> 03:47:22,100
In Deuteronomy, 4 verse 11 and
12.

3649
03:47:23,000 --> 03:47:25,800
Says, I'll just read it again.
You came near to me and stood

3650
03:47:25,800 --> 03:47:29,100
Under the Mountain.
Sorry, my zoom things are in the

3651
03:47:29,108 --> 03:47:32,000
way and the mountain burned,
with fire in the midst of heaven

3652
03:47:32,000 --> 03:47:34,500
with Darkness clouds and thick
darkness, and the Lord spake

3653
03:47:34,500 --> 03:47:37,200
unto you, out of the midst of
the fire, he heard the voice of

3654
03:47:37,200 --> 03:47:41,100
the words but saw no, similitude
only heard a voice.

3655
03:47:41,108 --> 03:47:45,900
And then in Exodus says, then
went up Moses and Aaron Nate

3656
03:47:45,900 --> 03:47:49,400
Abbey who in 70 of the Elders of
Israel and they saw the god of

3657
03:47:49,408 --> 03:47:52,400
Israel and there was under his
feet as it were a paved work of

3658
03:47:52,408 --> 03:47:55,800
sapphire stones and as it were
in the body of Heaven for its

3659
03:47:55,800 --> 03:48:00,600
clearness and then later on, it
says, Moses went up even further

3660
03:48:00,600 --> 03:48:03,300
and, you know, talked with God
face to face.

3661
03:48:03,300 --> 03:48:06,800
And so, what is going on?
Well, if you are going to be

3662
03:48:07,700 --> 03:48:10,300
Honest about your evaluation of
scripture.

3663
03:48:10,300 --> 03:48:12,800
Then it seems like you ought to
read the rest of what

3664
03:48:12,800 --> 03:48:15,100
Deuteronomy says and the rest of
what exit says.

3665
03:48:15,100 --> 03:48:27,400
And so, so Exodus also says,
Right before before Moses goes

3666
03:48:27,400 --> 03:48:33,400
up. sorry, I can't read that
quite but he says, The people

3667
03:48:33,400 --> 03:48:35,800
saw the thunderings and the
Lightnings and the noise of the

3668
03:48:35,800 --> 03:48:37,000
trumpet and the mountain
smoking.

3669
03:48:37,000 --> 03:48:41,000
And when the people saw it, and
this was by, by the way, this

3670
03:48:41,000 --> 03:48:44,000
was when God had given them the
Ten Commandments.

3671
03:48:45,200 --> 03:48:48,400
Got to come down on the
mountain, spoke to them in Fire

3672
03:48:48,400 --> 03:48:51,100
and in Thunder, the sound of the
trumpets.

3673
03:48:51,100 --> 03:48:54,300
And the people saw it, they
removed and so far off the

3674
03:48:54,300 --> 03:48:56,800
cinemas speak thou with us, and
we will hear.

3675
03:48:56,808 --> 03:48:59,000
But let not God.
Speak with us, lest we die.

3676
03:48:59,000 --> 03:49:00,800
And Moses said in the people
fear.

3677
03:49:00,800 --> 03:49:03,800
Not God has come to prove you.
And that his fear, may be before

3678
03:49:03,800 --> 03:49:06,200
your face, is that you sin, not
and the people stood afar off

3679
03:49:06,200 --> 03:49:09,400
and Moses and Moses Drew near to
the thick Darkness where God was

3680
03:49:09,400 --> 03:49:12,700
and the Lord said unto Moses,
thus shall saying the Trinity,

3681
03:49:12,700 --> 03:49:15,800
digital EFC that I have talked
with you from heaven.

3682
03:49:18,500 --> 03:49:20,300
Okay.
And then you also have to read

3683
03:49:20,300 --> 03:49:24,200
all of what Deuteronomy says
which says no Prophet has a

3684
03:49:24,200 --> 03:49:27,100
reason again in Israel, like
Moses whom the Lord knew face to

3685
03:49:27,100 --> 03:49:38,700
face.
So Okay, so exit, some people, a

3686
03:49:38,700 --> 03:49:44,300
few people seeing Moses seeing
the Lord face to face Mm-hmm.

3687
03:49:44,300 --> 03:49:48,200
And most of the people like, all
the children of Israel not

3688
03:49:48,200 --> 03:49:51,900
seeing him, but just hearing his
voice but not seeing him.

3689
03:49:53,600 --> 03:49:57,100
Okay.
And then Deuteronomy says, you

3690
03:49:57,100 --> 03:50:00,500
all didn't see him.
And this is Moses speaking to

3691
03:50:00,500 --> 03:50:04,000
the children of Israel.
This is not a contradiction, is

3692
03:50:04,000 --> 03:50:06,500
ridiculous.
This is not the Lord.

3693
03:50:06,500 --> 03:50:08,600
Talking to Moses saying you
never saw me.

3694
03:50:08,600 --> 03:50:09,900
This is Moses.
That's right.

3695
03:50:09,908 --> 03:50:13,000
Is Moses talking to the children
of Israel saying, you never saw

3696
03:50:13,000 --> 03:50:16,500
him and then Deuteronomy later
says, yeah, Moses did talk to

3697
03:50:16,500 --> 03:50:19,100
him face to face like and
they're like, saying that this

3698
03:50:19,100 --> 03:50:22,900
is a contradiction, this is,
this is, It's, it makes my makes

3699
03:50:22,900 --> 03:50:26,900
my brain melt out of my head.
I'll tell you though, what they

3700
03:50:26,900 --> 03:50:31,300
what they do. is this
Deuteronomy 34 verse 10 here

3701
03:50:31,300 --> 03:50:36,700
where it says Moses did speak
face to face that contradicts

3702
03:50:36,700 --> 03:50:38,500
with the earlier verse in
Deuteronomy.

3703
03:50:38,500 --> 03:50:43,700
Therefore, those are written by
different authors.

3704
03:50:43,700 --> 03:50:48,800
So Deuteronomy 3410, which just
makes it obviously harmonizes

3705
03:50:48,800 --> 03:50:52,300
and it doesn't even need to be
harmonized anyway, like even if

3706
03:50:52,308 --> 03:50:56,800
this verse wasn't there in in
Deuteronomy, like Exodus just

3707
03:50:56,800 --> 03:51:01,300
says, most of the people didn't.
And and by the time, by the

3708
03:51:01,300 --> 03:51:04,400
time, Moses is speaking in
Deuteronomy, there was, you

3709
03:51:04,400 --> 03:51:07,700
remember there was that was
Moses, Nate Ababa by who in 70

3710
03:51:07,700 --> 03:51:09,100
how many of those guys are
alive.

3711
03:51:10,700 --> 03:51:13,000
When they're none it, when
they're ready to enter the

3712
03:51:13,000 --> 03:51:16,600
promised land zero of them.
Moses is the only one Moses,

3713
03:51:16,600 --> 03:51:18,100
Joshua and Caleb are the only
ones left.

3714
03:51:18,800 --> 03:51:21,200
Right.
Okay, so so Moses is saying,

3715
03:51:21,200 --> 03:51:25,800
none of you saw him like this is
I give you just like have even a

3716
03:51:25,800 --> 03:51:28,200
slight a faint idea of the
timeline in your mind when

3717
03:51:28,200 --> 03:51:30,900
you're reading this.
And and you're not intentionally

3718
03:51:30,900 --> 03:51:35,200
trying to misunderstand, Then
it's it's not that it's clear.

3719
03:51:35,200 --> 03:51:39,300
As far as you yes.
Oh, okay.

3720
03:51:42,500 --> 03:51:43,700
Sorry, get a little animated
there.

3721
03:51:43,700 --> 03:51:47,300
No, no.
It's it's look, I can see the

3722
03:51:47,300 --> 03:51:48,800
frustration here.
A little bit, right?

3723
03:51:50,200 --> 03:51:52,400
It say one more thing.
I'm sorry.

3724
03:51:52,400 --> 03:51:56,000
These these videos that I've
been showing you like these

3725
03:51:56,000 --> 03:52:02,300
these people these videos have
been seen. 67890 thousand times.

3726
03:52:04,200 --> 03:52:06,800
These people have a huge
audience.

3727
03:52:06,800 --> 03:52:11,100
I mean, that's not, I mean we're
not in the millions, I guess but

3728
03:52:11,100 --> 03:52:14,900
tens of thousands of times.
These things have been viewed,

3729
03:52:14,900 --> 03:52:16,900
they have they have tens of
thousands of subscribers.

3730
03:52:17,900 --> 03:52:21,400
So this this information is
being put out.

3731
03:52:22,800 --> 03:52:25,600
And it's, it's frustrating for
me.

3732
03:52:30,300 --> 03:52:31,200
Go ahead.
Oh yeah.

3733
03:52:31,200 --> 03:52:36,300
I mean Because again, it it does
feel like it's just cherry

3734
03:52:36,300 --> 03:52:38,900
picking what you want and then
the stuff that you can't cherry

3735
03:52:38,900 --> 03:52:40,900
pick, you just assigned to a
different author.

3736
03:52:41,500 --> 03:52:44,600
Right.
And imagine, you know, because

3737
03:52:44,600 --> 03:52:49,400
we must preserve the hypothesis,
which is that these this is an

3738
03:52:49,400 --> 03:52:52,600
incoherent text.
That is the that is the most

3739
03:52:52,600 --> 03:52:54,000
important part of it.
Yeah.

3740
03:52:55,800 --> 03:52:59,600
You know, this is reminding me a
lot of what you see in,

3741
03:52:59,600 --> 03:53:03,400
archeology right, archeology is
really horrible about.

3742
03:53:03,400 --> 03:53:06,200
They picked a narrative and
they're going to ride or die

3743
03:53:06,200 --> 03:53:09,200
with that narrative.
No matter what right, the

3744
03:53:09,200 --> 03:53:11,900
predominant narrative for a lot
of years was Clovis first,

3745
03:53:11,900 --> 03:53:16,500
right?
And it took a lot of time to

3746
03:53:16,500 --> 03:53:19,600
overturn that and a lot of
evidence more than it should

3747
03:53:19,608 --> 03:53:21,800
have, right.
I'm like it was pretty

3748
03:53:21,800 --> 03:53:26,000
conclusive early on. but, Gosh,
yet again.

3749
03:53:26,000 --> 03:53:31,300
I'm And I'm not a guy who likes
to just discount Scholars,

3750
03:53:31,300 --> 03:53:32,900
right?
I'm not that guy.

3751
03:53:32,900 --> 03:53:36,600
I do feel like Scholars.
Do do good.

3752
03:53:36,600 --> 03:53:38,800
Excuse me.
Can you good work?

3753
03:53:40,100 --> 03:53:45,500
Um but so so often they have to
stick with the narrative or else

3754
03:53:45,500 --> 03:53:47,700
they're persona, non grata,
right?

3755
03:53:47,700 --> 03:53:50,900
You don't get published, you
don't get read and that affects

3756
03:53:50,900 --> 03:53:52,400
10 year and all those other
things.

3757
03:53:53,100 --> 03:53:58,000
Yeah, absolutely.
Have you heard of Chesterton

3758
03:53:58,000 --> 03:54:01,300
Spence?
Know, this is a philosophical

3759
03:54:01,300 --> 03:54:04,100
idea.
Chesterton was a philosopher,

3760
03:54:04,100 --> 03:54:08,500
okay.
I'm not, you know, I don't I

3761
03:54:08,500 --> 03:54:11,400
haven't read a lot of him, but
this idea is a famous idea.

3762
03:54:11,400 --> 03:54:15,200
If you haven't heard it before,
you probably will, Now, that

3763
03:54:15,200 --> 03:54:21,600
it's mentioned. but, Go ahead.
Oh, that's just gonna read it.

3764
03:54:21,600 --> 03:54:24,200
What were you gonna say?
Oh yeah, I'm yeah, so yeah, yeah

3765
03:54:24,200 --> 03:54:28,200
Chesterton Spence is this bill
softball idea and you know

3766
03:54:28,208 --> 03:54:30,000
there's a little quote there.
I mean read a little bit longer

3767
03:54:30,000 --> 03:54:33,300
quote, this is from his original
1929 riding.

3768
03:54:33,300 --> 03:54:38,100
He said In the matter of
reforming things as distinct

3769
03:54:38,100 --> 03:54:41,800
from deforming them.
There is one plain and simple

3770
03:54:41,800 --> 03:54:44,100
principle.
Let us say, for the sake of

3771
03:54:44,100 --> 03:54:49,100
Simplicity offense or a gate is
erected across the road. the

3772
03:54:49,100 --> 03:54:53,700
more modern type of reformer,
goes up to it and says I don't

3773
03:54:53,708 --> 03:54:56,200
see the use of this.
Let us clear it away.

3774
03:54:56,900 --> 03:55:00,200
To which the more intelligent
type of reformer will do well to

3775
03:55:00,200 --> 03:55:02,800
answer.
If you don't see the use of it,

3776
03:55:02,800 --> 03:55:05,200
I certainly won't let you clear
it away.

3777
03:55:05,208 --> 03:55:09,600
Go away and think and then when
you can come back and tell me

3778
03:55:09,600 --> 03:55:14,000
that you do see the use of it,
then I may allow you to destroy

3779
03:55:14,000 --> 03:55:17,800
it.
So like if you if you find

3780
03:55:17,800 --> 03:55:20,700
something, this is kind of along
the the wine on an empty stomach

3781
03:55:20,700 --> 03:55:23,100
thing.
Like if you don't know enough

3782
03:55:23,100 --> 03:55:28,000
about something, To understand
the use that it might have, you

3783
03:55:28,000 --> 03:55:30,100
should you have no business
trying to destroy it.

3784
03:55:31,000 --> 03:55:33,300
Until you can understand the use
First.

3785
03:55:34,000 --> 03:55:40,100
And understand its value.
And then maybe if you think you

3786
03:55:40,100 --> 03:55:43,200
have something better than you
can, then you can replace it or

3787
03:55:43,200 --> 03:55:48,400
destroy it or whatever.
So yeah, no.

3788
03:55:48,400 --> 03:55:54,300
It's Yeah.
And that's, that's what we see a

3789
03:55:54,300 --> 03:55:57,000
lot of.
Right is, is this idea of well?

3790
03:55:57,000 --> 03:55:58,400
It's Antiquated.
It's outdated.

3791
03:55:58,400 --> 03:56:01,100
We don't need it and then you're
offering.

3792
03:56:02,600 --> 03:56:04,800
Yeah.
Okay.

3793
03:56:06,900 --> 03:56:08,300
Let's see, I'm gonna skip that
part.

3794
03:56:09,500 --> 03:56:14,600
I am going to, I am going to You
know, one of the this is

3795
03:56:14,600 --> 03:56:16,800
another, this is just amazing
again.

3796
03:56:19,300 --> 03:56:22,500
People are like oh the ashram
which is the Groves like those

3797
03:56:22,500 --> 03:56:26,500
are all good.
And you know we see we see this

3798
03:56:26,500 --> 03:56:29,500
the Tree of Life in The Book of
Mormon that's Ashura.

3799
03:56:30,200 --> 03:56:34,800
And so the Book of Mormon loves
asherah. but the tree of but

3800
03:56:34,800 --> 03:56:38,600
asherah, you remember, Ashrae is
a branchless tree.

3801
03:56:38,600 --> 03:56:44,000
Ashtray is a stump ashra is
without root or branch.

3802
03:56:44,900 --> 03:56:47,300
Those are that's like the
representation of her.

3803
03:56:47,300 --> 03:56:51,900
And I I actually disagree that
the tree of life or the menorah

3804
03:56:51,900 --> 03:56:54,000
in the temple is a
representation of Astra.

3805
03:56:54,000 --> 03:56:57,100
It is something distinctly
different, but the Book of

3806
03:56:57,100 --> 03:57:01,600
Mormon actually aside from like
references to the Tree of Life,

3807
03:57:01,600 --> 03:57:07,400
which they hypothesized is a
secret reference to Ashura, you

3808
03:57:07,400 --> 03:57:09,500
know, and there's they have good
evidence for that, but I don't

3809
03:57:09,500 --> 03:57:10,500
think it actually fits very
well.

3810
03:57:10,508 --> 03:57:13,200
They're actually isn't explicit
mention of the Grove's.

3811
03:57:14,800 --> 03:57:19,500
Up in the Book of Mormon.
This is in third Nephi.

3812
03:57:21,000 --> 03:57:25,400
Chapter 21.
Jesus tells us what he thinks

3813
03:57:25,400 --> 03:57:30,900
about the Groves. 21 starting at
verse 14.

3814
03:57:34,300 --> 03:57:36,900
Yay, will be unto the Gentiles
except they repent.

3815
03:57:36,900 --> 03:57:39,000
For it shall come to pass in
that day.

3816
03:57:39,000 --> 03:57:43,000
Saith the father that I will cut
off thy horse from out of the

3817
03:57:43,000 --> 03:57:46,200
midst of the, and I will destroy
that chariots and I will cut off

3818
03:57:46,200 --> 03:57:49,500
the cities of thy land and throw
down all thy strong holds and I

3819
03:57:49,500 --> 03:57:53,300
will cut off the witchcrafts out
of thy land, and thou shalt have

3820
03:57:53,300 --> 03:57:58,000
no more soothsayers. you know,
against the the Visionary men,

3821
03:57:59,200 --> 03:58:03,200
Thy graven images, I will also
cut off, and I standing images

3822
03:58:03,200 --> 03:58:06,000
out of the midst of the and thou
shalt no more worship.

3823
03:58:06,000 --> 03:58:09,300
The Works of thy hands and I
will pluck up thy Groves out of

3824
03:58:09,300 --> 03:58:11,900
the midst of the.
So, I will destroy that, I say

3825
03:58:11,908 --> 03:58:15,600
cities, and it shall come to
pass that all lines and means,

3826
03:58:15,600 --> 03:58:18,700
and stripes, and Priests, and
Hortons shall be done away for

3827
03:58:18,700 --> 03:58:20,800
his show.
Come to pass say at the father

3828
03:58:20,800 --> 03:58:23,800
that at that day, whoever will
not repent and come into my

3829
03:58:23,800 --> 03:58:26,800
beloved, Son.
Them will I cut off from among

3830
03:58:26,800 --> 03:58:28,500
my people?
Oh, House of Israel.

3831
03:58:29,500 --> 03:58:32,600
And I will execute Vengeance and
fury upon them even as upon the

3832
03:58:32,600 --> 03:58:36,800
Heathen such as they have not
heard. that's far enough I

3833
03:58:36,800 --> 03:58:42,400
guess, but Yeah. so now like
Jesus is talking about future

3834
03:58:42,400 --> 03:58:44,700
time and you know, we're
approaching that I suppose

3835
03:58:44,700 --> 03:58:49,100
closer than we've ever been But
he says he's gonna, he's gonna

3836
03:58:49,100 --> 03:58:51,900
rip up, pluck up, the Groves out
of the midst of thee and destroy

3837
03:58:51,900 --> 03:58:56,500
your cities. and now, you've
read Return of the Gods,

3838
03:58:56,500 --> 03:58:58,000
Jonathan Cahn?
Yes.

3839
03:58:58,000 --> 03:59:01,400
Yep.
I mean I I believe that that is

3840
03:59:01,400 --> 03:59:03,400
happening.
I believe that.

3841
03:59:04,800 --> 03:59:08,100
That Baal and asherah or Ash, or
Ishtar.

3842
03:59:08,100 --> 03:59:15,000
Those are, you know, Ashura is
the like Canaanite name is the

3843
03:59:15,000 --> 03:59:18,300
battle alone in name astroth is
the Sumerian name.

3844
03:59:18,300 --> 03:59:22,300
No, inanna.
Is the Sumerian name astroth is

3845
03:59:22,300 --> 03:59:24,900
the Phoenicians name, I think
Philistine.

3846
03:59:24,900 --> 03:59:29,400
Same God though, no matter what
name he wanted to. so anyway,

3847
03:59:29,400 --> 03:59:35,500
Jonathan Khan, he has in there
the like that these three Bale.

3848
03:59:36,800 --> 03:59:39,900
Ishtar and molec like they have,
they are making a return.

3849
03:59:41,100 --> 03:59:45,300
Her.
And, and to be honest, I, I feel

3850
03:59:45,300 --> 03:59:50,200
like this delusion of the, the
documentary hypothesis, the

3851
03:59:50,200 --> 03:59:54,200
deuteronomist hypothesis is part
of that return of the gods that

3852
03:59:54,200 --> 03:59:57,100
this, I, these ideas are
becoming increasingly popular.

3853
03:59:57,100 --> 04:00:01,800
And when I'm at meetings with
LDS people, and they're like,

3854
04:00:01,800 --> 04:00:04,000
either saying, they don't
believe the scriptures or don't

3855
04:00:04,000 --> 04:00:07,800
believe parts of the scriptures
or they are like looking to like

3856
04:00:07,800 --> 04:00:11,800
learn lessons about Jesus by
reading about Baal and asherah

3857
04:00:11,800 --> 04:00:13,200
and stuff.
I'm like oh my goodness.

3858
04:00:13,200 --> 04:00:19,900
Like like this is a this is a
pretty deep infection. so, Know,

3859
04:00:19,908 --> 04:00:24,300
the other thing that's popped
out here. and I'm not saying

3860
04:00:24,300 --> 04:00:28,600
these folks are are necessarily
cognizant of what they're doing,

3861
04:00:28,600 --> 04:00:32,700
but a lot of this seems founded
in kind of critical theory,

3862
04:00:32,700 --> 04:00:35,100
right?
They talk about destroying the

3863
04:00:35,100 --> 04:00:39,500
hierarchies, they talk about,
you know, the you know making

3864
04:00:39,500 --> 04:00:43,600
you know the the overt feminist
references, right?

3865
04:00:43,600 --> 04:00:48,400
And again, I'm a guy who
believes that that women are

3866
04:00:48,400 --> 04:00:51,700
entitled.
Oh and what you get and in.

3867
04:00:52,600 --> 04:00:56,600
Mainstream Mormonism, right?
I am I am a believer in that but

3868
04:00:56,600 --> 04:01:00,100
nonetheless this does seem to
point towards kind of a

3869
04:01:00,100 --> 04:01:04,500
religious critical theory that
should have some can a little

3870
04:01:04,500 --> 04:01:07,300
concerned here or at least it
could be used in that fashion.

3871
04:01:07,300 --> 04:01:10,400
I'm not saying these folks are
using it that way but it

3872
04:01:10,400 --> 04:01:14,100
definitely lends itself to that.
Absolutely, yeah.

3873
04:01:14,100 --> 04:01:18,400
That is the, that is, it is a
part of that, like religious

3874
04:01:18,400 --> 04:01:23,000
Marxism and whether or not These
folks are in that camp and I

3875
04:01:23,000 --> 04:01:26,500
don't believe they are.
I don't either. no, not at all

3876
04:01:26,508 --> 04:01:30,700
and like and again, I I like all
these people, I watch these, I

3877
04:01:30,700 --> 04:01:33,800
watch these YouTube channels and
I like a lot of the content but

3878
04:01:35,900 --> 04:01:39,100
But I think this is, I think
this is bad fruit, that they're

3879
04:01:39,108 --> 04:01:42,900
that they're playing with.
So, Okay, here's another one.

3880
04:01:43,700 --> 04:01:46,600
Here.
So at a high level, there is a

3881
04:01:46,600 --> 04:01:48,200
feast called the day of
atonement.

3882
04:01:48,200 --> 04:01:51,200
You know, it probably is Yom
Kippur if you are Jewish

3883
04:01:51,200 --> 04:01:53,000
friends, right?
This is a festival celebrated

3884
04:01:53,000 --> 04:01:54,600
today.
Albeit somewhat differently than

3885
04:01:54,600 --> 04:01:56,600
as is set forth in the engine.
So you do the erudite

3886
04:01:56,600 --> 04:01:58,900
pronunciation you just say like
yeah, I'm kippers coming up on

3887
04:01:58,900 --> 04:02:00,300
Wednesday.
Get your Pathways is ready on

3888
04:02:00,300 --> 04:02:01,700
Tuesday.
Like all the elementary school

3889
04:02:01,700 --> 04:02:03,500
teachers did you know like Yom
Kippur?

3890
04:02:03,500 --> 04:02:06,400
Yeah that's awesome.
Okay, the David Thomas so let me

3891
04:02:06,408 --> 04:02:08,800
say right now.
Okay, I'll spell out some

3892
04:02:08,800 --> 04:02:10,600
detail.
We will spell it some detail but

3893
04:02:10,600 --> 04:02:11,800
here at a very high level, is
the deal.

3894
04:02:11,800 --> 04:02:13,400
Okay?
On Yom Kippur, the core

3895
04:02:13,400 --> 04:02:15,400
sacrifice was a sacrifice of
Two.

3896
04:02:15,400 --> 04:02:19,000
Goats, if you have been watching
all of the video posts, we put

3897
04:02:19,000 --> 04:02:21,000
together, okay?
One of the things you have heard

3898
04:02:21,000 --> 04:02:25,100
us say, is that Jesus appears in
the Old Testament as one of a

3899
04:02:25,100 --> 04:02:26,600
pair of serpents.
Okay.

3900
04:02:26,600 --> 04:02:28,700
He also appears as one of a pair
of goats.

3901
04:02:28,700 --> 04:02:31,800
And so, we're gonna see
basically the same pair, but not

3902
04:02:31,800 --> 04:02:35,000
as serpents as goats and they
have different Fates on the Yom

3903
04:02:35,000 --> 04:02:37,700
Kippur holiday.
Okay, and, and Yom Kippur

3904
04:02:37,700 --> 04:02:39,700
implies the theology.
At teachers at the Theology of

3905
04:02:39,700 --> 04:02:41,600
atonement and deuteronomist,
hate it.

3906
04:02:41,600 --> 04:02:42,900
So they take it off the
calendar.

3907
04:02:44,800 --> 04:02:48,600
Okay.
So yeah, say the deuteronomist

3908
04:02:48,600 --> 04:02:52,300
hate the day of atonement.
The hate atonement, so they take

3909
04:02:52,308 --> 04:02:52,800
it off.
The calendar.

3910
04:02:52,800 --> 04:02:56,200
Interesting thing here is he
says, and this is just very

3911
04:02:56,200 --> 04:02:59,500
ironic.
He says if you're Jewish you

3912
04:02:59,500 --> 04:03:03,700
know I'm talking about the day
of atonement actually, happy

3913
04:03:03,700 --> 04:03:07,700
happy Yom Kippur Dave this is a
ya the name of there.

3914
04:03:07,700 --> 04:03:12,800
Yep so I was there find this
extremely ionic, ionic chemist

3915
04:03:12,800 --> 04:03:18,800
ironic because he's saying they
took it off a calendar but I bet

3916
04:03:18,800 --> 04:03:20,000
that none of the people
discussing.

3917
04:03:20,000 --> 04:03:24,400
This actually celebrate Yom
Kippur Like they have take they

3918
04:03:24,400 --> 04:03:26,400
the people discussing it have
taken it off the calendar.

3919
04:03:27,400 --> 04:03:30,400
But Deuteronomy doesn't actually
take it off the calendar so

3920
04:03:30,400 --> 04:03:33,700
that's just kind of an irony
there.

3921
04:03:38,700 --> 04:03:41,700
Let's see.
I'm going to skip the next One

3922
04:03:41,700 --> 04:03:43,300
here.
But I'm going to, I am going to

3923
04:03:43,308 --> 04:03:46,200
say, though, we're gonna go
quickly through that.

3924
04:03:46,200 --> 04:03:48,300
There's some other clips about
how this is.

3925
04:03:48,300 --> 04:03:52,700
This is a big criticism is that
dude that that the day of

3926
04:03:52,708 --> 04:03:55,800
atonement is absent from
Deuteronomy.

3927
04:03:55,800 --> 04:03:58,900
Now, first of all, this is just
kind of a, it's kind of a

3928
04:03:58,908 --> 04:04:01,500
ridiculous idea.
It's like, well, since

3929
04:04:01,500 --> 04:04:05,200
Deuteronomy doesn't mention
everything, then we know that

3930
04:04:05,200 --> 04:04:11,100
it's like a forgery, like it's
like every like like Nephi

3931
04:04:11,100 --> 04:04:12,400
doesn't mention the day of
atonement.

3932
04:04:13,800 --> 04:04:17,900
You know versus bye and Jacob.
Enos jarom Omni words of Mormon,

3933
04:04:17,900 --> 04:04:20,800
like none of those mentioned the
day of atonement either and they

3934
04:04:20,800 --> 04:04:23,000
don't have to like every book of
scripture doesn't have to

3935
04:04:23,000 --> 04:04:25,200
mention something or else it's
evil.

3936
04:04:25,200 --> 04:04:28,200
You know, or else.
That means that does that mean

3937
04:04:28,200 --> 04:04:29,800
Nephi is against the day of
atonement.

3938
04:04:29,800 --> 04:04:33,300
No, that's not what that means.
You cannot imply that like the

3939
04:04:33,300 --> 04:04:37,800
logic of these arguments is just
mind and numbing, okay.

3940
04:04:37,800 --> 04:04:41,800
The second thing is that it's
not even true Deuteronomy.

3941
04:04:47,600 --> 04:04:50,000
Actually does mention the day of
atonement.

3942
04:04:50,008 --> 04:04:51,600
Sorry.
Skipped over a couple slides

3943
04:04:51,600 --> 04:04:57,800
there.
And this is, this is how it does

3944
04:04:57,800 --> 04:05:00,300
it though.
It's it's actually a little bit

3945
04:05:00,300 --> 04:05:01,000
tricky.
Okay.

3946
04:05:02,800 --> 04:05:06,400
So how Moses fast how long does
Moses fast?

3947
04:05:09,800 --> 04:05:12,800
I wasn't 40 days.
Yeah, 40 days.

3948
04:05:12,800 --> 04:05:14,000
That's what, that's what I
learned.

3949
04:05:14,000 --> 04:05:18,000
But actually the scriptures say
he fasted 40 days three times in

3950
04:05:18,000 --> 04:05:21,900
a row. 120 days.
Maybe with the maybe with days,

3951
04:05:21,900 --> 04:05:25,400
in between there, Okay.
And these were, these were the

3952
04:05:25,400 --> 04:05:28,100
times, okay?
He first, he goes up there to

3953
04:05:28,100 --> 04:05:31,100
the mountain, right?
He gets the use my pointer here.

3954
04:05:32,500 --> 04:05:35,300
He gets the first set of
Commandments.

3955
04:05:36,300 --> 04:05:39,000
He comes down that takes 40
days.

3956
04:05:39,800 --> 04:05:42,200
And there are worshiping the
golden calf, right?

3957
04:05:42,200 --> 04:05:46,300
It mentions this in Deuteronomy
chapter 9 verse 9 and exodus

3958
04:05:46,300 --> 04:05:49,300
24:18 and mentions.
He goes up and it mentions 40

3959
04:05:49,300 --> 04:05:52,900
days and 49 nights he's fasting,
they come down, Moses breaks

3960
04:05:52,900 --> 04:05:58,000
those Commandments and then he
goes back up to ask for

3961
04:05:58,000 --> 04:06:06,500
forgiveness. okay, of the, the
people like to try to Intercede,

3962
04:06:06,500 --> 04:06:09,000
he intercedes for them.
He acts as a mediator

3963
04:06:09,000 --> 04:06:12,400
interceding for them.
God says, I'm going to take you

3964
04:06:12,400 --> 04:06:15,000
and Destroy them.
And Moses says, no, no, don't do

3965
04:06:15,000 --> 04:06:17,000
that.
Like everyone will make fun of

3966
04:06:17,000 --> 04:06:25,600
you. so, So God relents tells
him to go back down, Moses gets

3967
04:06:25,600 --> 04:06:30,100
another set of tablets.
This time Moses provides a

3968
04:06:30,100 --> 04:06:32,300
tablets but God writes on them.
The same thing that was on the

3969
04:06:32,300 --> 04:06:36,200
last ones.
Minus the milk has it stuff and

3970
04:06:36,200 --> 04:06:37,700
this was for 40 days and nights
as well.

3971
04:06:38,500 --> 04:06:43,400
So, all together it's it's 120
days, you know, plus maybe a day

3972
04:06:43,400 --> 04:06:47,600
with the golden calf and a day
after coming down to carve out

3973
04:06:47,600 --> 04:06:50,200
some new tablets or whatever.
Right.

3974
04:06:50,200 --> 04:06:52,700
But here's the here's the
amazing thing.

3975
04:06:53,600 --> 04:07:00,900
Is that?
In Exodus. in Exodus, it says,

3976
04:07:01,900 --> 04:07:06,600
That I went up 40 days here.
To get the first tablets and

3977
04:07:06,600 --> 04:07:09,200
exodus says I went up 40 days to
get the second tablets.

3978
04:07:09,200 --> 04:07:12,900
But in the middle when he's
asking for forgiveness, he does

3979
04:07:12,900 --> 04:07:16,700
not say 40 days in Exodus.
But it doesn't Deuteronomy

3980
04:07:16,700 --> 04:07:18,800
Deuteronomy says that was 40
days.

3981
04:07:18,800 --> 04:07:25,500
Also, and, Let me just make sure
that I'm saying that correctly.

3982
04:07:25,500 --> 04:07:31,000
So, if you if you actually take
Deuteronomy combined with

3983
04:07:31,000 --> 04:07:38,900
Exodus, then then Deuteronomy
Completes the story. and, Yes,

3984
04:07:38,900 --> 04:07:42,900
Deuteronomy completes the story
and let's us know that Moses

3985
04:07:42,900 --> 04:07:48,200
was.
Fasting and came down with the

3986
04:07:48,200 --> 04:07:53,900
replacement Commandments.
After God, had forgiven their

3987
04:07:53,900 --> 04:08:00,100
sin on the day of atonement.
Oh, okay.

3988
04:08:01,000 --> 04:08:04,600
All right, so it doesn't say Day
of atonement but there's

3989
04:08:04,600 --> 04:08:08,400
definitely something stronger
than a and an allusion to that,

3990
04:08:08,400 --> 04:08:12,400
right?
It is Israel's sin is Forgiven

3991
04:08:12,400 --> 04:08:17,100
and God says I'm gonna keep you
all as a people still and give

3992
04:08:17,100 --> 04:08:20,400
you my law again and we're going
to keep pushing forward towards

3993
04:08:20,400 --> 04:08:25,300
the promised land and that that
if you, if you know what

3994
04:08:25,300 --> 04:08:29,500
Deuteronomy is saying,
Deuteronomy is telling us that

3995
04:08:29,500 --> 04:08:32,700
was on.
Yeah, that was on the day of

3996
04:08:32,708 --> 04:08:35,900
atonement.
Interesting, so pretty cool.

3997
04:08:35,900 --> 04:08:41,000
Now I said that the Book of
Mormon oh something else

3998
04:08:41,000 --> 04:08:44,800
interesting when Moses comes
down from the mountain in the

3999
04:08:44,808 --> 04:08:48,000
first time with the tablets,
There isn't anything about his

4000
04:08:48,000 --> 04:08:51,800
face blowing.
So his face is glowing when he

4001
04:08:51,808 --> 04:08:58,800
comes down with the second ones.
Okay, now I said the The Book of

4002
04:08:58,800 --> 04:09:00,600
Mormon doesn't say anything
about the day of atonement

4003
04:09:00,600 --> 04:09:04,100
either.
And so like are we too logically

4004
04:09:04,100 --> 04:09:05,600
infer them?
That the Bookworm is against the

4005
04:09:05,600 --> 04:09:07,200
day of atonement?
No, of course not.

4006
04:09:07,200 --> 04:09:09,500
That's, that's stupid, that's
lazy.

4007
04:09:09,500 --> 04:09:12,800
That's like intentionally
misunderstanding.

4008
04:09:12,800 --> 04:09:16,200
But we do have this reference in
the Book of Mormon as well.

4009
04:09:16,208 --> 04:09:19,100
And that's abandoned.
I because I've been today comes

4010
04:09:19,100 --> 04:09:25,200
to King, Noah, and he's
preaching and his fate says, his

4011
04:09:25,200 --> 04:09:28,500
face is shining, like, Moses was
And he's right.

4012
04:09:28,500 --> 04:09:30,400
The priest about the ten
commandments.

4013
04:09:31,700 --> 04:09:33,900
And then something really
amazing happens, all.

4014
04:09:33,900 --> 04:09:38,800
So on the day of atonement, you
know, how the The ceremony goes,

4015
04:09:38,800 --> 04:09:40,300
like they have the two goats,
right?

4016
04:09:40,300 --> 04:09:43,700
And one of them, one of them
gets killed and one of them gets

4017
04:09:43,700 --> 04:09:46,700
sent those free.
The scapegoat, yeah, Into the

4018
04:09:46,708 --> 04:09:47,700
Wilderness.
That's right.

4019
04:09:48,600 --> 04:09:51,300
So with a Benedict, we have that
as well.

4020
04:09:51,300 --> 04:09:54,000
Like his face is glowing.
He's talking about the

4021
04:09:54,000 --> 04:09:57,200
Commandments and then one of
them gets killed and one of them

4022
04:09:57,200 --> 04:10:02,400
gets sent out to the wilderness.
Oh, I see ya.

4023
04:10:04,300 --> 04:10:08,400
Anyway, so so Deuteronomy says,
Deuteronomy talks about Yom

4024
04:10:08,400 --> 04:10:09,700
Kippur and the Book of Mormon
does too.

4025
04:10:10,700 --> 04:10:14,100
But you just have to actually
study them a little bit.

4026
04:10:15,100 --> 04:10:20,000
And then you can see that.
So, Okay.

4027
04:10:22,300 --> 04:10:27,400
Let's go back.
Okay, here's another one.

4028
04:10:27,400 --> 04:10:30,500
Here's another thing that they
say that Deuteronomy says

4029
04:10:31,600 --> 04:10:33,700
Another day, like the Book of
Mormon is the German thumb for

4030
04:10:33,700 --> 04:10:38,500
the Old Testament and by the way
guys, there's no mention your

4031
04:10:38,500 --> 04:10:40,300
employment anywhere near me just
as a side is because it's

4032
04:10:40,300 --> 04:10:41,200
because they ran to the
Americas.

4033
04:10:41,200 --> 04:10:43,900
I think if things the Book of
Mormon obsesses about that these

4034
04:10:43,900 --> 04:10:45,200
hates.
Yeah, that's that to the list.

4035
04:10:46,200 --> 04:10:48,700
Okay.
Yeah, the deuteronomist, they

4036
04:10:48,700 --> 04:10:50,800
get rid of.
They rip says, they ripped out

4037
04:10:50,808 --> 04:10:53,800
the German thumb.
There's quote there's no mention

4038
04:10:53,800 --> 04:10:56,900
of the German thumb anywhere in
Deuteronomy.

4039
04:10:58,500 --> 04:11:00,900
Okay, well there's not any of
the New Testament either.

4040
04:11:02,300 --> 04:11:03,500
Right?
Yes.

4041
04:11:03,500 --> 04:11:05,200
I mean that's what I was saying
before.

4042
04:11:05,200 --> 04:11:08,100
It's like that.
What does that even prove?

4043
04:11:08,100 --> 04:11:11,000
That doesn't logically imply
anything.

4044
04:11:12,600 --> 04:11:16,300
But so, here it is.
You're in thumb.

4045
04:11:17,000 --> 04:11:19,600
There.
Oh here we go, Deuteronomy 33.

4046
04:11:20,700 --> 04:11:25,100
Verse 8.
And of Levi, Moses said, Let Die

4047
04:11:25,100 --> 04:11:27,700
film and the be with thy, Holy
One.

4048
04:11:28,300 --> 04:11:31,900
There's a little bit of a that's
probably the high priest whom

4049
04:11:31,900 --> 04:11:34,400
now disapprove up Masa and with
whom that is driving the Waters

4050
04:11:34,400 --> 04:11:38,300
of meribah.
So it doesn't say you're in

4051
04:11:38,308 --> 04:11:39,500
mythology, says someone in
Europe.

4052
04:11:39,500 --> 04:11:41,800
Okay, so is that what is that?
Why?

4053
04:11:42,800 --> 04:11:44,200
Is that why?
That's a true statement?

4054
04:11:44,200 --> 04:11:47,600
I don't know.
It seems dishonest to me or at

4055
04:11:47,600 --> 04:11:53,100
least ignorant.
I don't know. ah, yeah.

4056
04:11:53,800 --> 04:11:57,800
It's right there.
Like And, and look, again, I

4057
04:11:57,800 --> 04:12:02,200
like the Stick of Joseph, right?
I, I genuinely do right.

4058
04:12:02,200 --> 04:12:07,000
However, and, and look, having
heard those guys speak.

4059
04:12:07,000 --> 04:12:11,100
I don't think they mean this, I
don't think this is nefarious,

4060
04:12:11,100 --> 04:12:13,600
right?
I think this is a classic case

4061
04:12:13,600 --> 04:12:16,600
of reading somebody else and
then taking that to the bank

4062
04:12:16,600 --> 04:12:18,500
without checking the primary
source.

4063
04:12:19,500 --> 04:12:22,000
Yeah.
Or the.

4064
04:12:24,600 --> 04:12:28,500
Sake of time because I know it's
after it's after midnight where

4065
04:12:28,500 --> 04:12:32,100
you're at.
I'm going to I think I'll skip

4066
04:12:32,100 --> 04:12:33,900
the next video is maybe I'll
just kind of summarize.

4067
04:12:34,900 --> 04:12:38,600
What they say, but the next one
is Zion media.

4068
04:12:39,900 --> 04:12:41,500
There's a there's a fellow named
Latter-Day.

4069
04:12:41,500 --> 04:12:47,000
Chad, he's big on. he's pretty
big as far as like, Content.

4070
04:12:47,000 --> 04:12:48,300
He puts out, I think he's on
tiktok.

4071
04:12:49,200 --> 04:12:53,200
But anyway, he talks about how
I'll read some of the things.

4072
04:12:54,600 --> 04:12:59,200
He mentions again, Deuteronomy
chapter 4 outright says it

4073
04:12:59,200 --> 04:13:03,400
gaslights the reader into saying
that Moses never saw God.

4074
04:13:04,400 --> 04:13:08,200
You know, of course we saw that
that is not actually true.

4075
04:13:09,200 --> 04:13:15,200
And here we go in Deuteronomy.
412 outright says, this is what

4076
04:13:15,208 --> 04:13:17,200
he says.
Just Deuteronomy says outright

4077
04:13:17,200 --> 04:13:19,900
says, Moses did not see God,
they're outright says it.

4078
04:13:20,700 --> 04:13:23,300
Which it doesn't.
And it says, if anyone claims

4079
04:13:23,300 --> 04:13:26,200
that they've seen God, and
that's a path towards idolatry

4080
04:13:26,200 --> 04:13:29,500
and that they will be killed.
And as also, that is not what

4081
04:13:29,500 --> 04:13:32,200
Deuteronomy says.
Deuteronomy is not say that

4082
04:13:32,200 --> 04:13:37,100
anywhere that is just It's just
a falsehood, whether it's

4083
04:13:37,100 --> 04:13:38,600
intentional or they're just
regurgitating.

4084
04:13:38,600 --> 04:13:41,300
Something that they read or
heard, I don't know.

4085
04:13:46,300 --> 04:13:51,300
Also he says Deuteronomy 29
straight up says if you seek the

4086
04:13:51,300 --> 04:13:53,700
mysteries of God that is one of
the things that Bell punish you

4087
04:13:53,700 --> 04:13:57,600
with death for all.
So not true Deuteronomy does not

4088
04:13:57,600 --> 04:14:03,400
say that Deuteronomy. 29:29 says
The secret things belong to the

4089
04:14:03,400 --> 04:14:06,900
Lord Our God, but those things
which are revealed belong to us

4090
04:14:06,900 --> 04:14:10,200
and our children forever that we
may do all the words of this

4091
04:14:10,200 --> 04:14:12,600
law.
Like that's what it says and he

4092
04:14:12,600 --> 04:14:15,900
is saying that that is saying,
if you seek the Mysteries then

4093
04:14:15,900 --> 04:14:19,800
they're going to kill you.
And I just don't get. why he's

4094
04:14:19,808 --> 04:14:25,400
saying that, say that it
doesn't, it doesn't, but but the

4095
04:14:25,400 --> 04:14:28,000
deuteronomist hypothesis, the
Mormon Mormon version of

4096
04:14:28,000 --> 04:14:33,500
Deuteronomy, Deuteronomy
hypothesis is that the people in

4097
04:14:33,500 --> 04:14:37,300
Jerusalem are deuteronomist.
Lehigh says, I've seen a vision.

4098
04:14:38,300 --> 04:14:43,400
That is why they want to kill.
Because Deuteronomy says, if you

4099
04:14:44,700 --> 04:14:46,900
have a vision from God, we will
Stone you to death.

4100
04:14:48,600 --> 04:14:51,600
I don't think that's the reason
Lehigh said that they wanted to

4101
04:14:51,608 --> 04:14:52,900
kill him.
I think it's because he was

4102
04:14:52,900 --> 04:14:54,500
calling them to repentance,
right?

4103
04:14:54,500 --> 04:14:58,800
Like, I think yeah, yes, I think
I said so.

4104
04:14:58,800 --> 04:15:04,400
Again, the, the plain reading It
doesn't usually.

4105
04:15:05,700 --> 04:15:08,100
The plane, the plane reading.
Doesn't usually support these

4106
04:15:08,100 --> 04:15:14,400
hypotheses. but you have to kind
of make some assumptions and

4107
04:15:14,400 --> 04:15:16,100
intentionally misunderstand
things.

4108
04:15:17,400 --> 04:15:21,500
Or misrepresent things.
So here's another one.

4109
04:15:24,100 --> 04:15:26,900
Says.
Says God cannot have a body.

4110
04:15:26,900 --> 04:15:30,400
Okay, Deuteronomy says, God
cannot have a body.

4111
04:15:30,408 --> 04:15:32,500
I don't, that is not anywhere in
Deuteronomy.

4112
04:15:33,600 --> 04:15:38,100
It also says that one man can
not atone for another's sins.

4113
04:15:39,500 --> 04:15:41,800
Okay.
And so this is what this is.

4114
04:15:41,800 --> 04:15:44,700
He's saying this is so like the
deuteronomist are clearly

4115
04:15:44,700 --> 04:15:49,100
arguing against Jesus and
atonement because Deuteronomy

4116
04:15:49,100 --> 04:15:52,700
says one man cannot atone for
another man's sins.

4117
04:15:52,700 --> 04:15:56,900
Now, this is, I think super
funny because when I heard him

4118
04:15:56,900 --> 04:16:00,500
on this video when I heard him
say that phrase, I immediately

4119
04:16:00,500 --> 04:16:04,500
thought of Alma chapter 34,
which says now, there is not any

4120
04:16:04,500 --> 04:16:07,000
man that can sacrifice his own
blood, which will atone for the

4121
04:16:07,000 --> 04:16:12,200
sins of another He's using this
as like, he's like, trying to

4122
04:16:12,208 --> 04:16:15,200
prop up the Book of Mormon and
push down the book of

4123
04:16:15,208 --> 04:16:18,000
Deuteronomy.
And I don't even mean he doesn't

4124
04:16:18,008 --> 04:16:20,800
realize that the Book of Mormon
is the one that he almost quote,

4125
04:16:20,800 --> 04:16:22,800
The Book of Mormon not
Deuteronomy.

4126
04:16:22,800 --> 04:16:24,000
I'll tell you what Deuteronomy
says.

4127
04:16:25,000 --> 04:16:27,400
The the verse that he's
complaining about is in

4128
04:16:27,400 --> 04:16:29,900
Deuteronomy 24.
It says, the father shall not be

4129
04:16:29,908 --> 04:16:32,900
put to death for the children,
neither shall the children be

4130
04:16:32,900 --> 04:16:35,500
put to death for their fathers.
Every man should be death for

4131
04:16:35,500 --> 04:16:40,100
his own sin.
And from that, go ahead.

4132
04:16:41,000 --> 04:16:43,800
I was gonna say that's that's
the Article of Faith, right?

4133
04:16:45,000 --> 04:16:46,800
That is the Article of Faith,
isn't it?

4134
04:16:46,800 --> 04:16:51,200
Like so it's like that's nothing
different than what Joseph is

4135
04:16:51,200 --> 04:16:53,900
saying, that's nothing different
from what the Book of Mormon is

4136
04:16:53,900 --> 04:16:57,300
saying that verse is not that
verse is not speaking.

4137
04:16:58,300 --> 04:17:02,000
Against Jesus, or against the
atonement, that verse is just

4138
04:17:02,000 --> 04:17:06,000
talking about Justice.
And how it should be

4139
04:17:06,000 --> 04:17:07,700
administered and that you should
not.

4140
04:17:08,600 --> 04:17:11,600
Punish family members of people
who are guilty because that's

4141
04:17:11,600 --> 04:17:12,900
the way they do it in Babylon,
you know.

4142
04:17:14,800 --> 04:17:17,500
All right, and I think in Alma
they're he's talking about look

4143
04:17:17,500 --> 04:17:21,600
one mortal can't take on another
mortal sins.

4144
04:17:22,600 --> 04:17:24,700
Right.
That's that is what he's saying.

4145
04:17:24,700 --> 04:17:30,000
And that's all that's all
Deuteronomy is saying and it's

4146
04:17:30,000 --> 04:17:32,400
just, it's just a
misrepresentation and

4147
04:17:32,400 --> 04:17:35,200
intentional misunderstanding.
Like, you just try to make it

4148
04:17:35,200 --> 04:17:39,000
hard instead of just, instead of
just making it harmonized in the

4149
04:17:39,000 --> 04:17:41,200
obvious way that it does.
We're just going to like, force

4150
04:17:41,200 --> 04:17:45,300
it to contradicting our minds,
so that we can have a different

4151
04:17:45,300 --> 04:17:47,100
author.
I don't, I don't understand, but

4152
04:17:47,100 --> 04:17:50,900
and see.
It's so its, it's, it's

4153
04:17:50,900 --> 04:17:54,200
completely the opposite of what
Joseph was was saying, right?

4154
04:17:54,200 --> 04:17:58,000
Is that Know, these things can
be understood, right?

4155
04:17:58,000 --> 04:18:02,900
Part of the appeal, to Mormonism
for me was, is I don't have to

4156
04:18:02,900 --> 04:18:09,000
wonder anymore, right?
And I shouldn't say that there's

4157
04:18:09,000 --> 04:18:12,300
always something we're seeking
after to learn, but the promise

4158
04:18:12,300 --> 04:18:14,200
was that you can learn them,
right?

4159
04:18:14,200 --> 04:18:18,900
They can be known.
And so to take a religion which

4160
04:18:18,900 --> 04:18:22,700
part of the beauty was a certain
level of certainty, right?

4161
04:18:22,700 --> 04:18:28,500
And then introduce more
uncertainty into that I I find

4162
04:18:28,500 --> 04:18:31,100
to be a bit disturbing on some
level.

4163
04:18:32,000 --> 04:18:36,500
Like agreed.
Yeah, I am going to.

4164
04:18:36,500 --> 04:18:43,000
I do want to listen to this one.
He actually the part he was

4165
04:18:43,000 --> 04:18:46,200
going to talk about is like some
of the early church fathers.

4166
04:18:47,300 --> 04:18:51,300
Accusing the Jews of altering
the scriptures.

4167
04:18:53,700 --> 04:18:56,400
Okay.
Because the Greek doesn't match

4168
04:18:56,400 --> 04:18:59,600
the Hebrew.
And he is using this as evidence

4169
04:18:59,600 --> 04:19:03,900
for the deuteronomist tampering.
But you remember that time line?

4170
04:19:04,700 --> 04:19:05,500
That happened.
Right?

4171
04:19:05,500 --> 04:19:07,900
Not happened.
Then happened later.

4172
04:19:07,900 --> 04:19:11,800
And like you, I don't understand
why they keep trying to push it

4173
04:19:11,800 --> 04:19:14,500
back, even though it's like
known that was after.

4174
04:19:14,500 --> 04:19:19,000
But it's Strange.
Okay.

4175
04:19:19,800 --> 04:19:22,700
Need wisdom, the law of the Lord
is with this very legalistic

4176
04:19:22,700 --> 04:19:25,500
what leads to the Pharisees
Viewpoint, right?

4177
04:19:25,500 --> 04:19:27,800
That I personally believe
there's a real law of the Lord

4178
04:19:27,800 --> 04:19:29,600
that was given and it was
changed and altered in Jesus

4179
04:19:29,600 --> 04:19:32,600
came to fill the real waffle or
that's why you This is funny.

4180
04:19:32,600 --> 04:19:35,900
He says he believes there was a
real one, but Jesus came to

4181
04:19:35,900 --> 04:19:38,300
fulfill it.
But like all the quotes, all the

4182
04:19:38,300 --> 04:19:40,600
quotes that we have from Jesus
are from the Deuteronomy that we

4183
04:19:40,600 --> 04:19:43,800
have.
There isn't any quotes that

4184
04:19:43,800 --> 04:19:49,000
Jesus says that are not found.
In, you know, there's no real,

4185
04:19:49,000 --> 04:19:52,200
the real one that he's talking
about doesn't seem to exist

4186
04:19:52,200 --> 04:19:54,800
except, you know, in as a
hypothetical thing.

4187
04:19:54,800 --> 04:19:57,800
But there's no textual evidence
for it and scenario, like the

4188
04:19:57,800 --> 04:19:59,500
Pharisees trying to get into
stone, the adulterous woman,

4189
04:19:59,500 --> 04:20:02,000
right?
Um, because regardless, Jesus

4190
04:20:02,000 --> 04:20:04,100
Christ isn't going to tell you
to murder your family members

4191
04:20:04,100 --> 04:20:07,300
for worshiping different, right?
Imagine like you have a sister

4192
04:20:07,300 --> 04:20:09,500
who converted to Hinduism and
then Jesus just comes down says,

4193
04:20:09,500 --> 04:20:11,600
you have to Stone her now.
Come on.

4194
04:20:11,600 --> 04:20:13,800
Alright, that's ridiculous.
That's all not Jesus Christ.

4195
04:20:13,800 --> 04:20:15,300
It's obviously not the religion
of the New Testament.

4196
04:20:15,300 --> 04:20:17,500
It's not the religion of the
Book of Mormon that guarantees

4197
04:20:17,500 --> 04:20:18,600
and protects people's religious
liberty.

4198
04:20:18,600 --> 04:20:25,500
Even if they disagree, Okay, so
this is a this is a kind of a

4199
04:20:25,500 --> 04:20:29,700
dishonest or like a disingenuous
way to frame things too like he

4200
04:20:29,700 --> 04:20:34,400
compares.
The woman taken in adultery. and

4201
04:20:34,400 --> 04:20:37,100
then Compares that to well what
if you have a sister who

4202
04:20:37,100 --> 04:20:40,400
converts to Hinduism, Like Jesus
is not going to tell you to

4203
04:20:40,400 --> 04:20:42,700
Stone her.
You know what?

4204
04:20:43,400 --> 04:20:45,800
But he's like, he's conflating
two different things.

4205
04:20:45,800 --> 04:20:48,900
There one is like a privately
held belief and then one is like

4206
04:20:48,900 --> 04:20:52,600
committing, the sin.
This openly committing crime.

4207
04:20:52,600 --> 04:20:55,700
And so I'm gonna actually read
what the Book of Mormon says,

4208
04:20:55,700 --> 04:20:58,400
because he says, like the Book
of Mormon is the real deal,

4209
04:20:58,400 --> 04:21:01,000
right?
And Deuteronomy is this Forgery.

4210
04:21:02,000 --> 04:21:05,800
Alma 30 verse 7.
Now there was no law against a

4211
04:21:05,800 --> 04:21:08,800
man's belief.
It was strictly contrary to the

4212
04:21:08,800 --> 04:21:11,200
commands of God, that there
should be a law which should

4213
04:21:11,200 --> 04:21:14,300
bring men.
Onto unequal grounds for us.

4214
04:21:14,300 --> 04:21:16,600
Say at the scripture, usually
this day whom you will serve.

4215
04:21:18,200 --> 04:21:20,900
Which is a quote, from Joshua,
by the way, which is part of the

4216
04:21:20,900 --> 04:21:24,800
deuteronomic.
Books that they say, you know,

4217
04:21:24,808 --> 04:21:28,000
didn't exist.
Okay.

4218
04:21:28,000 --> 04:21:31,200
Now if a man desired it's just
all over the place.

4219
04:21:31,200 --> 04:21:34,300
Like you can't, you can't you
can't hardly Find a

4220
04:21:34,300 --> 04:21:37,400
contradiction to this Theory you
know walking around just gonna

4221
04:21:37,400 --> 04:21:40,500
stumble upon it.
If a man desire to serve God it

4222
04:21:40,500 --> 04:21:43,300
was his privilege or rather if
he believed in God, it was his

4223
04:21:43,300 --> 04:21:48,000
privilege to serve him but he
Um, but if you did not believe

4224
04:21:48,000 --> 04:21:49,700
in him, there was no law to
punish him.

4225
04:21:50,400 --> 04:21:52,500
But if he murdered, he was
punished unto death.

4226
04:21:52,500 --> 04:21:54,400
And if he robbed, he was also
punished.

4227
04:21:54,400 --> 04:21:56,400
And if he stole, he was also
punished.

4228
04:21:56,400 --> 04:21:58,600
And if he committed adultery, he
was also punished.

4229
04:21:58,600 --> 04:22:01,500
Yay for all his wickedness they
were punished for.

4230
04:22:01,500 --> 04:22:03,600
There was a law that men should
be judged according to their

4231
04:22:03,600 --> 04:22:05,800
crimes.
Nevertheless there was no law

4232
04:22:05,800 --> 04:22:08,400
against a man's belief.
Therefore a man was punished

4233
04:22:08,400 --> 04:22:09,900
only for the crimes which he had
done.

4234
04:22:09,900 --> 04:22:12,100
Therefore all men were on equal
ground.

4235
04:22:12,100 --> 04:22:16,000
So here at Latter-Day Chad is
like, see the Pharisees are so

4236
04:22:16,000 --> 04:22:20,800
awful, they want to Punish the
woman taking an adultery and

4237
04:22:20,800 --> 04:22:22,600
it's like, what if your own
sister?

4238
04:22:23,600 --> 04:22:26,600
Believed to different than you
then Deuteronomy says to Stone

4239
04:22:26,600 --> 04:22:32,200
her like no, no, no, no.
You are mixing up belief and

4240
04:22:32,200 --> 04:22:35,400
actions and the law punishes
actions not believe.

4241
04:22:36,200 --> 04:22:38,700
That is clearly what the book of
like in the book.

4242
04:22:38,700 --> 04:22:41,400
For the Book of Mormon people,
the woman taking an adultery

4243
04:22:41,400 --> 04:22:43,300
would be stoned.
Okay.

4244
04:22:46,100 --> 04:22:50,900
So don't like we don't need to
like fool ourselves thinking

4245
04:22:50,900 --> 04:22:54,000
that there's like this huge
contradiction between them.

4246
04:22:54,000 --> 04:22:56,100
There's not right?
Yeah.

4247
04:22:56,100 --> 04:22:57,500
No.
I see where you're going there.

4248
04:22:57,500 --> 04:23:00,900
Now, I will say the woman,
taking an adultery is an

4249
04:23:00,900 --> 04:23:07,500
interesting story. um, And, of
course it was it was a trap for

4250
04:23:07,500 --> 04:23:10,100
Jesus.
Okay, what was the Trap?

4251
04:23:10,100 --> 04:23:15,700
The Trap was They were under
Roman rule and the Jews did not

4252
04:23:15,708 --> 04:23:19,200
have any Authority granted to
them by Rome to execute anyone.

4253
04:23:20,600 --> 04:23:23,500
Mmm.
So they bring this woman and

4254
04:23:23,500 --> 04:23:24,500
they say what should we do with
her?

4255
04:23:25,500 --> 04:23:28,800
see, because if Jesus says,
Well, don't Stone her.

4256
04:23:29,700 --> 04:23:33,300
We don't have the right to then
he'll then they'll cry blast me.

4257
04:23:33,300 --> 04:23:38,000
He's speaking a lot.
But if he says, let's go ahead

4258
04:23:38,000 --> 04:23:41,400
and stone her, then they'll say
he's breaking Roman law, that's

4259
04:23:41,400 --> 04:23:46,800
him of sedition.
So Jesus Stoops down and writes

4260
04:23:46,800 --> 04:23:51,000
on the ground and we actually
don't know what he says. but,

4261
04:23:52,000 --> 04:23:56,500
there's some good theories out
there, but my Personal Theory.

4262
04:23:57,200 --> 04:23:59,600
Is that he's quoting
Deuteronomy?

4263
04:24:00,700 --> 04:24:03,300
Because in Deuteronomy, 22:22
says, what to do.

4264
04:24:04,100 --> 04:24:09,200
If you find, says if, if a man
be found lying with a woman like

4265
04:24:09,200 --> 04:24:10,800
caught in the act was what they
said.

4266
04:24:10,800 --> 04:24:14,600
The woman was caught in the act.
If a man be found lying with a

4267
04:24:14,600 --> 04:24:18,500
woman married to a husband and
they, then they shall both of

4268
04:24:18,500 --> 04:24:20,400
them die.
Both the man that lay with the

4269
04:24:20,400 --> 04:24:23,800
woman and the woman, Social now
put away evil from Israel.

4270
04:24:24,900 --> 04:24:27,900
So, the law is, if someone's
caught in the act, you bring

4271
04:24:27,900 --> 04:24:32,100
them both. so, I think Jesus was
writing Where is the man?

4272
04:24:33,500 --> 04:24:36,000
Oh, and they didn't have the
man.

4273
04:24:36,000 --> 04:24:39,100
And so the whole thing was
illegal like according to

4274
04:24:39,100 --> 04:24:42,400
according to the law.
So Jesus actually got held the

4275
04:24:42,400 --> 04:24:45,800
law.
The tour, he pulls huge Ron in

4276
04:24:45,800 --> 04:24:49,500
me he again floats Deuteronomy
and around about way.

4277
04:24:50,600 --> 04:24:53,000
To say This Woman's life.
Yes.

4278
04:24:53,000 --> 04:24:56,400
So he holds the Roman law and
the Torah simultaneously and

4279
04:24:56,400 --> 04:24:59,700
just Escape their trap.
And he says, well if you, if you

4280
04:24:59,700 --> 04:25:02,400
want to do it, you know, would
you if you think you're doing it

4281
04:25:02,400 --> 04:25:04,200
correctly?
If you're doing this without sin

4282
04:25:04,200 --> 04:25:07,200
on your part, then go ahead and
of course they all right.

4283
04:25:07,200 --> 04:25:10,600
Shrink from it because they know
that they would be violating

4284
04:25:10,600 --> 04:25:14,000
Roman law and violating the
Torah both because he just

4285
04:25:14,000 --> 04:25:16,900
reminded them.
So anyway, that's that's that is

4286
04:25:16,900 --> 04:25:18,300
speculative.
We don't know what he wrote on

4287
04:25:18,300 --> 04:25:24,800
the ground but I think that's
interesting but it was so Okay.

4288
04:25:33,800 --> 04:25:35,600
The last I'm going to share, we
got to do.

4289
04:25:35,600 --> 04:25:38,200
We got to do one more.
No, that's good.

4290
04:25:38,900 --> 04:25:40,800
One more video, I'm gonna skip a
little bit.

4291
04:25:45,000 --> 04:25:49,800
This one's a.
Kind of long, though. so this,

4292
04:25:49,800 --> 04:25:54,400
I'm gonna go to it but this in
this one, They talk about how.

4293
04:25:55,900 --> 04:26:00,700
There's hardly any parallels
between. the book of

4294
04:26:00,708 --> 04:26:03,800
Deuteronomy, what country makes
it about and The book of

4295
04:26:03,800 --> 04:26:05,300
Deuteronomy and the Book of
Mormon.

4296
04:26:06,000 --> 04:26:11,000
Now, I actually have I would
show it here but I actually have

4297
04:26:11,000 --> 04:26:14,000
a file from Drew Brian.
He did when he was a law

4298
04:26:14,000 --> 04:26:17,700
student.
Call.

4299
04:26:17,700 --> 04:26:19,700
Let's see, actually, all right,
there it is.

4300
04:26:19,700 --> 04:26:23,700
There's Drew handsome, man.
There Deuteronomy is influence

4301
04:26:23,700 --> 04:26:25,700
on nephite.
Jurisprudence, this is like a

4302
04:26:25,700 --> 04:26:32,300
50-page document that he has of
quotations and references to

4303
04:26:32,300 --> 04:26:35,700
deuteronomic law in the nephite
system.

4304
04:26:37,000 --> 04:26:39,600
And arresting everywhere.
Okay.

4305
04:26:39,600 --> 04:26:43,600
It's amazing.
So I can get that to you later

4306
04:26:43,600 --> 04:26:45,800
or yeah.
Yeah, definitely.

4307
04:26:45,800 --> 04:26:49,200
Anyone who's listening wants to
contact Drew like he's

4308
04:26:49,200 --> 04:26:52,300
available.
He's got a Forgotten.

4309
04:26:52,300 --> 04:26:55,700
Mormon teachings podcast and you
can contact him there or

4310
04:26:55,700 --> 04:26:59,000
whatever or contact Dave and
Dave can you contact?

4311
04:26:59,000 --> 04:27:01,500
He's gonna be jumping on with me
this week too.

4312
04:27:01,500 --> 04:27:05,200
So I'm super excited for his new
scripture project.

4313
04:27:05,200 --> 04:27:08,100
Yeah.
A little plug-in that restored

4314
04:27:08,100 --> 04:27:09,800
restored version of the
scriptures.

4315
04:27:09,800 --> 04:27:11,000
It's gonna be awesome.
Yep.

4316
04:27:11,900 --> 04:27:18,600
Okay.
So, go back to the that video.

4317
04:27:19,800 --> 04:27:24,900
so, The.
What's going to happen here is

4318
04:27:24,900 --> 04:27:27,200
this fellow Jonah Barnes.
Okay?

4319
04:27:27,200 --> 04:27:30,400
I like Jonah Jonah's a lot of
stuff with the apocryphal books.

4320
04:27:30,400 --> 04:27:35,000
A very interesting but he is
dead set against Deuteronomy

4321
04:27:35,000 --> 04:27:41,500
things that it is absolute
trash. and, So he's come up with

4322
04:27:41,500 --> 04:27:46,300
another theory which is there's
another book to replace

4323
04:27:46,300 --> 04:27:48,800
Deuteronomy that he thinks was
on the brass plates.

4324
04:27:52,300 --> 04:27:55,400
So, we're gonna listen to and
his proof.

4325
04:27:55,400 --> 04:27:59,400
He has absolute proof for why
the book of Deuteronomy is false

4326
04:28:00,700 --> 04:28:03,000
And this other book, which is
called The Testament of Moses,

4327
04:28:03,000 --> 04:28:04,600
or the, Assumption of Moses is
correct.

4328
04:28:07,900 --> 04:28:11,100
Okay.
That way book of Moses was that

4329
04:28:11,100 --> 04:28:12,600
would have been the fifth book
in the pentateuch.

4330
04:28:12,600 --> 04:28:15,300
That was replaced by the
deuteronomist and became the

4331
04:28:15,300 --> 04:28:17,100
book of Deuteronomy.
Yes.

4332
04:28:17,100 --> 04:28:19,400
Yes, it's that's revolutionary
stuff, bro.

4333
04:28:19,400 --> 04:28:20,500
It's not from the Dead Sea
Scrolls.

4334
04:28:20,500 --> 04:28:23,600
But yes, so the Assumption of
Moses is a text that comes, that

4335
04:28:23,600 --> 04:28:27,800
was discovered.
What year was it by Antonio

4336
04:28:27,800 --> 04:28:30,800
Sirianni.
Okay, Library the video.

4337
04:28:30,800 --> 04:28:33,200
Toca, I'm Rosie Anna.
In Italy.

4338
04:28:33,200 --> 04:28:34,800
Barn.
I can't remember the year, but

4339
04:28:34,800 --> 04:28:37,500
after Joseph Smith, but I'm
Antonio 61 thank you.

4340
04:28:37,508 --> 04:28:40,200
It's the Assumption of Moses was
found, you know, is known from a

4341
04:28:40,200 --> 04:28:41,600
single six Century in complete
manuscript and Latin.

4342
04:28:41,600 --> 04:28:44,800
It was discovered by Antonio in
the biblioteca in Milan.

4343
04:28:44,800 --> 04:28:48,400
In 1973 by an 1861.
Yes he discovers.

4344
04:28:48,408 --> 04:28:50,700
It's only on one main script.
Really.

4345
04:28:50,700 --> 04:28:52,500
So this day they've never found
evidence of anywhere else.

4346
04:28:52,508 --> 04:28:55,400
Just surprised This Woman's.
Yeah, because the burnt it

4347
04:28:55,400 --> 04:28:56,500
because that's what you do with
a Visionary, man.

4348
04:28:56,500 --> 04:28:58,900
That's why I was afraid of being
known as a Visionary man.

4349
04:28:58,900 --> 04:29:02,300
So, so if you read this text,
it's much shorter than me much

4350
04:29:02,300 --> 04:29:05,500
much, much, much, much more, but
it is the last words of, of

4351
04:29:05,500 --> 04:29:06,800
Moses.
So some people call The

4352
04:29:06,808 --> 04:29:08,800
Testament of Moses, they say the
Testament of Moses, not the

4353
04:29:08,808 --> 04:29:10,600
Assumption of assumption.
Well no it's just a testament

4354
04:29:10,600 --> 04:29:11,500
Moses, right?
We'll come back to that.

4355
04:29:12,500 --> 04:29:17,700
Okay. so, Actually have a copy
of this.

4356
04:29:17,700 --> 04:29:22,400
This is, I was like, oh
interesting, he thinks that He

4357
04:29:22,400 --> 04:29:27,400
thinks the Testament of Moses is
like where we get like the

4358
04:29:27,400 --> 04:29:30,400
quotation about the Lord.
God will raise up a prophet

4359
04:29:30,400 --> 04:29:33,400
among you like unto Moses his
words, we hear you know that one

4360
04:29:33,400 --> 04:29:38,100
we read earlier He thinks that
was probably in.

4361
04:29:41,200 --> 04:29:48,300
Yeah, Yeah.
By by Charles RH Charles Okay,

4362
04:29:48,300 --> 04:29:54,300
and I got a bookmark in here.
The Assumption of Moses also

4363
04:29:54,300 --> 04:29:58,500
called The Testament of Moses.
There's my copy right there, so

4364
04:29:59,300 --> 04:30:02,100
this is amazing.
You know why?

4365
04:30:02,100 --> 04:30:03,800
This is amazing.
I actually went and read this.

4366
04:30:03,800 --> 04:30:05,800
Okay.
Again, you just any time these

4367
04:30:05,800 --> 04:30:08,600
guys say something, you just go
to check the source and it's

4368
04:30:08,600 --> 04:30:11,500
like, oh my goodness, like in
the first couple of lines.

4369
04:30:12,400 --> 04:30:16,500
It says.
When the people had gone forth

4370
04:30:16,500 --> 04:30:20,000
after The Exodus, it was made by
Moses to Aman be on the Jordan

4371
04:30:20,000 --> 04:30:23,500
in the prophecy that was made by
Moses in the book of

4372
04:30:23,500 --> 04:30:28,200
Deuteronomy.
Like this Assumption of Moses,

4373
04:30:28,200 --> 04:30:30,900
what she says?
He's a Deuteronomy didn't exist.

4374
04:30:30,900 --> 04:30:35,200
This was before Deuteronomy,
like in the first chapter, in

4375
04:30:35,200 --> 04:30:37,700
the first, almost the first
line, it mentions the book of

4376
04:30:37,700 --> 04:30:40,200
Deuteronomy and then it quotes
from Deuteronomy.

4377
04:30:41,300 --> 04:30:46,800
Be strong and good courage.
And then it talks about a

4378
04:30:46,800 --> 04:30:50,900
central place of worship.
In the place, which he has made

4379
04:30:50,900 --> 04:30:52,900
from the beginning of creation
of the world, that his name

4380
04:30:52,900 --> 04:30:55,400
should be called upon.
And then, it talks about

4381
04:30:55,400 --> 04:31:00,400
establishing the kingdom.
And then it says they should not

4382
04:31:00,400 --> 04:31:04,400
sacrifice to their sons to
strange gods, and they should

4383
04:31:04,400 --> 04:31:07,300
and says it.
Moses says they're going to set

4384
04:31:07,300 --> 04:31:09,700
up Idols in the sanctuary and
worship them.

4385
04:31:10,700 --> 04:31:14,700
Like says all the things that
that Jonah Barnes hates about

4386
04:31:14,700 --> 04:31:21,100
the book of Deuteronomy.
Oh, and oh, The other thing I

4387
04:31:21,100 --> 04:31:26,200
didn't. like, One.
What's Jonah hanging?

4388
04:31:26,200 --> 04:31:31,500
His hat on, right?
Tell me why you think that that

4389
04:31:31,500 --> 04:31:34,500
that that that book, right?
The what was it called?

4390
04:31:34,500 --> 04:31:35,500
The Testament?
Moses.

4391
04:31:35,500 --> 04:31:37,600
Yeah.
Why why does that?

4392
04:31:37,600 --> 04:31:39,900
What makes you think that that
was supposed to take?

4393
04:31:39,900 --> 04:31:42,700
Deuteronomy is placed the next
big leap.

4394
04:31:42,700 --> 04:31:45,400
They take.
Well, of course we only find one

4395
04:31:45,400 --> 04:31:49,500
copy because the Deuteronomy
must have burnt it, right?

4396
04:31:49,500 --> 04:31:53,800
And I'm like where how do you
get there right?

4397
04:31:53,800 --> 04:31:57,300
Like they are making very
specific inferences.

4398
04:31:58,300 --> 04:32:01,700
Where they can't.
They they don't back any of it

4399
04:32:01,700 --> 04:32:04,500
up.
It's just well, let's throw crap

4400
04:32:04,500 --> 04:32:06,200
against the wall and see what
sticks here.

4401
04:32:07,800 --> 04:32:11,600
Yes, exactly.
It is grasping at straws, wild

4402
04:32:11,600 --> 04:32:16,500
wild assumptions, huge leaps
without evidence and there's so

4403
04:32:16,500 --> 04:32:20,200
much evidence in this book
against what he's saying, like

4404
04:32:20,200 --> 04:32:23,100
this this book supports
Deuteronomy, Okay.

4405
04:32:24,300 --> 04:32:26,800
The other thing I'm going to
show you this next, this is the

4406
04:32:26,800 --> 04:32:28,000
other.
This is the other big thing.

4407
04:32:28,000 --> 04:32:31,100
We're not to the proof yet, but
the Assumption of Moses says,

4408
04:32:32,400 --> 04:32:34,400
And do thou Joshua.
Son of nun.

4409
04:32:34,400 --> 04:32:38,600
Keep these words and this book
For, from my death.

4410
04:32:39,400 --> 04:32:45,700
Until his Advent.
There shall be. 250 times.

4411
04:32:46,800 --> 04:32:50,400
Okay.
So anyway, so this is like some

4412
04:32:50,400 --> 04:32:52,300
prophecy about the Messiah
coming.

4413
04:32:53,100 --> 04:32:55,900
But it mentions Moses's death in
parentheses.

4414
04:32:55,900 --> 04:33:00,800
There's a scribe that put
Moses's assumption Okay, but I

4415
04:33:00,800 --> 04:33:04,099
want you to just remember that
this Testament of Moses, like it

4416
04:33:04,099 --> 04:33:09,099
mentions, Moses's death.
So, Okay.

4417
04:33:12,000 --> 04:33:17,500
Here we go. 20 little more
almost 26 minutes right here.

4418
04:33:20,200 --> 04:33:23,200
Okay.
And Dave Butler.

4419
04:33:23,200 --> 04:33:25,900
He doesn't really say much but
he's just they're nodding at

4420
04:33:25,900 --> 04:33:28,500
everything that ever seen in
Hollywood, you know that, what's

4421
04:33:28,500 --> 04:33:29,400
going on here?
Well, I'll ask you.

4422
04:33:29,400 --> 04:33:30,500
Do you believe the Book of
Mormon?

4423
04:33:30,508 --> 04:33:32,500
Absolutely.
The Book of Mormon directly

4424
04:33:32,500 --> 04:33:36,599
contradict student Army, Boom
directly contradicts it.

4425
04:33:36,608 --> 04:33:37,500
So this is going to be the
proof.

4426
04:33:38,200 --> 04:33:41,800
The Book of Mormon directly, I
hope that you've seen already

4427
04:33:41,800 --> 04:33:44,700
that the Book of Mormon and
Deuteronomy actually pretty well

4428
04:33:44,700 --> 04:33:48,000
in harmony, if you just don't
intentionally try to miss

4429
04:33:48,000 --> 04:33:50,700
understand things.
How so it doesn't kind of

4430
04:33:50,708 --> 04:33:53,900
disagree, it completely directly
contributes contradicts

4431
04:33:53,900 --> 04:33:56,400
Deuteronomy, but not the other
books of Moses in a way that

4432
04:33:56,400 --> 04:33:58,400
makes it.
So, it looks like Deuteronomy is

4433
04:33:58,400 --> 04:34:00,500
the one sticking out not the
Book of Mormon and guess what?

4434
04:34:00,500 --> 04:34:03,400
Contradicts it about?
The Assumption of Moses.

4435
04:34:04,400 --> 04:34:06,599
The Assumption of Moses is that
he didn't die, he was taking up

4436
04:34:06,599 --> 04:34:08,099
to heaven.
That's exactly the point where

4437
04:34:08,099 --> 04:34:09,800
the Book of Mormon disagrees
with Deuteronomy.

4438
04:34:09,800 --> 04:34:11,900
If you remember the end of
Deuteronomy, I know you do Dave

4439
04:34:11,900 --> 04:34:14,500
something funny about to do
wrongly itself.

4440
04:34:14,500 --> 04:34:16,099
All right.
Moses dies twice.

4441
04:34:16,099 --> 04:34:18,300
Right?
It's says Moses dies and then

4442
04:34:18,300 --> 04:34:22,300
says Oh by the most died.
Wait, where's the very last

4443
04:34:22,300 --> 04:34:23,300
couple of verses?
Okay?

4444
04:34:23,300 --> 04:34:26,300
This is Moses died and then goes
all the Moses was buried.

4445
04:34:26,300 --> 04:34:28,800
It says he was buried.
Like somebody wanted you to know

4446
04:34:28,808 --> 04:34:30,900
like he's dead, okay?
Very end of Deuteronomy.

4447
04:34:30,900 --> 04:34:33,200
Anybody can read it, it's real
just like the end of Mark.

4448
04:34:34,599 --> 04:34:40,900
Okay. we'll, real weird real
just showing to so, here's

4449
04:34:42,700 --> 04:34:46,900
Here's the question, does
Deuteronomy say that Moses died

4450
04:34:46,900 --> 04:34:49,599
twice?
Is it a real weird and

4451
04:34:49,599 --> 04:34:52,500
disjointed?
Well, let's just read it.

4452
04:34:54,900 --> 04:34:58,500
So, here it is.
I'm going to, I'm going to read

4453
04:34:58,500 --> 04:35:00,800
that.
So Moses, the servant of the

4454
04:35:00,800 --> 04:35:04,500
Lord died there in the land, of
Moab, according to the word of

4455
04:35:04,508 --> 04:35:08,400
the Lord, and he buried him in a
valley, in the land of Moab over

4456
04:35:08,400 --> 04:35:11,900
against Beth peor.
But no man Noah's of her unto

4457
04:35:11,900 --> 04:35:16,200
this day and Moses was 120 years
old when he died, his eye was

4458
04:35:16,200 --> 04:35:19,099
not dimmed, nor his natural
force abated and the children of

4459
04:35:19,099 --> 04:35:21,599
Israel wept for Moses in the
plains of Moab 30 days.

4460
04:35:21,599 --> 04:35:24,300
So the days of weeping and
mourning for Moses were ended

4461
04:35:24,300 --> 04:35:26,099
and Joshua.
The son of nun was full of the

4462
04:35:26,099 --> 04:35:28,500
spirit of wisdom.
For Moses had laid his hands

4463
04:35:28,500 --> 04:35:30,300
upon him and the children of
Israel.

4464
04:35:30,300 --> 04:35:33,400
He conducted to him and did as
the Lord commanded Moses and

4465
04:35:33,400 --> 04:35:36,000
their Rose.
Not a prophet since in Israel

4466
04:35:36,000 --> 04:35:40,000
like onto Moses, Okay, did that
seem weird and disjointed to you

4467
04:35:40,000 --> 04:35:42,300
couldn't follow it.
No.

4468
04:35:43,700 --> 04:35:48,400
Oh, they have Moses dying twice.
Know.

4469
04:35:49,599 --> 04:35:50,900
No.
No, no.

4470
04:35:50,900 --> 04:35:55,599
It just it says, okay.
I it's so it's so funny.

4471
04:35:55,599 --> 04:36:09,200
Okay. um, you're gonna go back.
And keep on going here. 2752,

4472
04:36:09,200 --> 04:36:12,099
just jump ahead.
Just a little bit. well, funny

4473
04:36:12,099 --> 04:36:15,000
thing the Book of Mormon says,
uh, know if you look in the Book

4474
04:36:15,000 --> 04:36:19,300
of Mormon Alma refers to this in
chapter 45, okay.

4475
04:36:19,300 --> 04:36:22,500
Not only does alma directly
contradict Romney but he assumes

4476
04:36:22,500 --> 04:36:24,599
everyone knows he has the people
know.

4477
04:36:24,599 --> 04:36:26,500
Look, I could put these side by
side in scripts.

4478
04:36:26,500 --> 04:36:29,200
Yeah, so here, first 19.
Okay, 19.

4479
04:36:29,200 --> 04:36:32,099
And it says Alma dice.
The saying that went to Broad in

4480
04:36:32,099 --> 04:36:34,500
the church that Alma was taken
up by the spirit or buried by

4481
04:36:34,500 --> 04:36:36,700
the hand of the Lord, even as
Moses.

4482
04:36:36,700 --> 04:36:40,000
But behold the scripture say the
Lord took Moses unto himself.

4483
04:36:41,599 --> 04:36:44,200
So the knights know the story,
they know that Moses didn't die

4484
04:36:44,200 --> 04:36:47,300
that he was translated he was
translated, does it say in the

4485
04:36:47,300 --> 04:36:48,400
Old Testament?
He was buried.

4486
04:36:48,400 --> 04:36:52,900
Yeah.
Where wherever you just died I

4487
04:36:52,900 --> 04:36:55,700
was for baby go down.
Go down.

4488
04:36:55,708 --> 04:36:59,000
No, you're going up.
Oh no, you know he was buried.

4489
04:36:59,000 --> 04:37:00,900
Okay?
Buried in the valley of Moab

4490
04:37:00,900 --> 04:37:01,800
against what.
Oh here it is.

4491
04:37:01,808 --> 04:37:04,800
Never six and he died in Linda
Moab and he was buried there.

4492
04:37:04,800 --> 04:37:09,099
Oh, so the Book of Mormons says
that Moses was translated, while

4493
04:37:09,099 --> 04:37:11,000
the book of Deuteronomy says
that he was buried.

4494
04:37:11,000 --> 04:37:12,400
Both can't be true at the same
time, right?

4495
04:37:12,400 --> 04:37:17,400
So then later on Okay.
Just skip ahead a little bit.

4496
04:37:19,599 --> 04:37:22,000
Instead being translated.
So the early Christians knew it.

4497
04:37:22,000 --> 04:37:24,700
The Nephites knew it that
Deuteronomy is wrong.

4498
04:37:24,700 --> 04:37:27,700
It's directly contradicted by
the nephite record not only just

4499
04:37:27,700 --> 04:37:29,000
one guy, but Alma assumes
people.

4500
04:37:29,000 --> 04:37:30,300
It says the same went to broaden
the church.

4501
04:37:30,300 --> 04:37:34,700
Everybody knew this Okay, and
then jumping forward a little

4502
04:37:34,708 --> 04:37:37,200
bit more.
Well, all Christian.

4503
04:37:37,200 --> 04:37:39,000
Well anybody reads A New
Testament knows that Moses was

4504
04:37:39,000 --> 04:37:42,000
on The Sermon, on the Mount or
on the mount Transfiguration how

4505
04:37:42,000 --> 04:37:43,200
to get there.
Oh yeah, he couldn't have been

4506
04:37:43,208 --> 04:37:44,900
buried if he so Moses could not
have been buried.

4507
04:37:44,900 --> 04:37:47,300
He had to have been translated,
not resurrected because

4508
04:37:47,300 --> 04:37:48,400
Resurrection hasn't happened
yet.

4509
04:37:48,400 --> 04:37:51,400
Okay, so on the transition, who
else who else was there?

4510
04:37:51,400 --> 04:37:54,000
Like he was also training
military fire taking up the

4511
04:37:54,000 --> 04:37:55,800
Chariot fire so you have Moses
who's taking up Elijah's taking

4512
04:37:55,800 --> 04:37:56,900
up.
Come back again all Christians

4513
04:37:56,900 --> 04:37:59,200
read this.
But Deuteronomy here says he's

4514
04:37:59,200 --> 04:38:00,700
dead and he was buried and a
story.

4515
04:38:01,500 --> 04:38:03,200
This is so weird game, weird,
right?

4516
04:38:03,200 --> 04:38:04,800
Wow.
So the Book of Mormon agrees

4517
04:38:04,800 --> 04:38:06,900
with early with the New
Testament and it agrees with

4518
04:38:06,900 --> 04:38:09,599
Antonio City, Annie the degrees
of this apocryphal work, and let

4519
04:38:09,599 --> 04:38:11,400
me know this and they all
disagree with Deuteronomy.

4520
04:38:11,400 --> 04:38:18,300
So, here's my theory.
Okay, all right, some big claim.

4521
04:38:18,300 --> 04:38:27,500
So let's I mean, let's just see.
So, does the does The Book of

4522
04:38:27,500 --> 04:38:29,900
Mormon, proved Deuteronomy
fraudulent by direct

4523
04:38:29,900 --> 04:38:31,300
contradiction.
Let's read what the performance

4524
04:38:31,300 --> 04:38:34,900
says.
Okay, Alma 4518 and when Alma

4525
04:38:34,900 --> 04:38:36,500
and they kind of read it there
too.

4526
04:38:36,508 --> 04:38:39,500
When Alma Had done this.
He departed out of the land of

4527
04:38:39,508 --> 04:38:42,900
their Hamlet, as if to go into
the land of Melech and he came

4528
04:38:42,908 --> 04:38:47,200
to pass that he was never heard
of more as she was death or

4529
04:38:47,200 --> 04:38:49,500
burial.
We know not of behold this.

4530
04:38:49,500 --> 04:38:53,200
We know that he was a righteous
man and the saying, when abroad

4531
04:38:53,200 --> 04:38:55,500
in the church that he was taken
up by the spirit or buried by

4532
04:38:55,500 --> 04:38:57,599
the hand of the Lord, even as
Moses.

4533
04:38:57,599 --> 04:39:00,599
But behold the scripture say at
the Lord, took Moses onto

4534
04:39:00,599 --> 04:39:03,500
himself and we supposed that he
has also received element in the

4535
04:39:03,500 --> 04:39:06,200
spirit to himself therefore for
this cause we know nothing

4536
04:39:06,200 --> 04:39:09,300
concerning his death and burial.
Okay.

4537
04:39:10,700 --> 04:39:16,800
So here he says. there's a
direct contradiction, because In

4538
04:39:16,800 --> 04:39:20,200
Deuteronomy it says that Moses
died and was buried.

4539
04:39:21,500 --> 04:39:23,400
It does it say Moses was buried
in Deuteronomy.

4540
04:39:23,400 --> 04:39:25,599
Yes.
It's right there.

4541
04:39:25,599 --> 04:39:28,700
It's highlighted okay.
Does The Book of Mormons say

4542
04:39:28,700 --> 04:39:32,000
that Moses was buried?
And they said, no, The Book of

4543
04:39:32,000 --> 04:39:34,900
Mormon does not say that Moses
was buried, says that he was

4544
04:39:34,900 --> 04:39:37,800
taking up.
Now, can you read this?

4545
04:39:37,800 --> 04:39:39,200
Does it say that Moses was
buried?

4546
04:39:40,200 --> 04:39:44,900
Or buried by the hand of Glory.
Even as he was Buried, buried by

4547
04:39:44,900 --> 04:39:49,100
the hand of the Lord, which is
like an idiom or, you know, a

4548
04:39:49,100 --> 04:39:55,000
euphemism for translated, right?
Taken up even as Moses was yeah

4549
04:39:55,000 --> 04:39:57,700
okay.
Now look now we're going to go

4550
04:39:57,708 --> 04:40:04,400
back to Deuteronomy Okay, when
Jonah read Deuteronomy just a

4551
04:40:04,400 --> 04:40:07,100
minute ago, it says he read it
this way.

4552
04:40:08,200 --> 04:40:13,400
Moses, the Lord died in the land
of Moab and was buried.

4553
04:40:15,300 --> 04:40:22,300
About, that is not what it says.
Deuteronomy says, Moses, the

4554
04:40:22,300 --> 04:40:24,700
stone of the Lord died, there in
the land, of Moab, according to

4555
04:40:24,700 --> 04:40:27,400
the word of the Lord, and he
buried him.

4556
04:40:27,400 --> 04:40:30,100
So the question is, who is he
and who is him?

4557
04:40:32,000 --> 04:40:35,500
Can you tell?
Who is he?

4558
04:40:35,500 --> 04:40:43,200
And who is him?
I would assume he is. he buried

4559
04:40:43,200 --> 04:40:50,600
him, he being the Lord and him
being um, Moses.

4560
04:40:50,600 --> 04:40:52,300
Congratulations.
You have the reading

4561
04:40:52,300 --> 04:40:54,600
comprehension of a sixth grader,
at least.

4562
04:40:54,600 --> 04:40:56,700
Yeah.
But hold on a second.

4563
04:40:56,708 --> 04:41:00,300
Let me push back.
Well, it says, in in a valley in

4564
04:41:00,308 --> 04:41:04,100
the land of Moab, but that could
be, he was translated in the

4565
04:41:04,100 --> 04:41:05,800
valley, in the land of Moab.
Utah.

4566
04:41:05,800 --> 04:41:08,600
That's exactly right.
And says and we don't know if

4567
04:41:08,600 --> 04:41:12,700
it's Sepulcher just like just
like I said of Alma.

4568
04:41:12,700 --> 04:41:14,400
We know nothing concerning his
burial.

4569
04:41:14,400 --> 04:41:15,600
Yep.
Yep.

4570
04:41:15,600 --> 04:41:18,400
Oh, these are these are parallel
here.

4571
04:41:18,400 --> 04:41:21,300
It says buried by the hand of
the Lord says the Lord bearing

4572
04:41:21,300 --> 04:41:24,400
him.
In the Book of Mormon and in

4573
04:41:24,400 --> 04:41:26,800
Deuteronomy, it says the Lord
buried him, okay?

4574
04:41:26,800 --> 04:41:29,900
They are they actually both say
exactly the same thing.

4575
04:41:29,900 --> 04:41:33,800
They do not contradict okay.
And Jonathan thinks that he

4576
04:41:33,800 --> 04:41:35,200
just, like, discovered something
new.

4577
04:41:35,200 --> 04:41:39,700
I don't know what he thinks he
thinks, That until the Book of

4578
04:41:39,700 --> 04:41:43,100
Mormon came around.
Everyone was just confused by

4579
04:41:43,100 --> 04:41:50,800
Moses showing up or something.
but that is not the case in even

4580
04:41:50,800 --> 04:41:55,500
in Josephus, let me see if I
have it here and take what he's

4581
04:41:55,500 --> 04:41:58,300
of the Jews.
Josephus wrote that.

4582
04:41:59,200 --> 04:42:03,800
A cloud appeared and stood over
Moses whereupon, he vanished

4583
04:42:03,800 --> 04:42:06,800
from sight.
Like Moses was taken up in a

4584
04:42:06,800 --> 04:42:11,000
cloud like that.
Everyone everyone has always

4585
04:42:11,000 --> 04:42:14,300
known.
That anyone who studied it?

4586
04:42:14,300 --> 04:42:18,300
Anyone who's read it closely has
already always known. just like,

4587
04:42:20,200 --> 04:42:23,800
Just like the Book of Mormon
says, the scriptures says, the

4588
04:42:23,800 --> 04:42:25,700
Lord took, Moses to him unto
himself.

4589
04:42:25,700 --> 04:42:29,200
That is what Deuteronomy says
and you just have to

4590
04:42:29,208 --> 04:42:32,500
intentionally, try to
misunderstand it to get a

4591
04:42:32,500 --> 04:42:35,000
contradiction that proves due to
me wrong.

4592
04:42:36,300 --> 04:42:38,500
You know something else I think
that's worth pointing out here.

4593
04:42:38,500 --> 04:42:42,300
Is that anybody who's been
through the original endowment,

4594
04:42:42,300 --> 04:42:46,600
the lecture at the bail,
Definitely says some things

4595
04:42:46,600 --> 04:42:51,000
about, you know, Moses, writing
things cryptically, right?

4596
04:42:51,000 --> 04:42:54,200
Because he does not want to
reveal the mystery of godliness

4597
04:42:54,200 --> 04:42:56,700
in the scriptures.
Right.

4598
04:42:56,700 --> 04:43:01,200
And so, even though it doesn't
come right out and say, oh, yeah

4599
04:43:01,200 --> 04:43:04,200
and the Lord, you know,
translated him or took him up to

4600
04:43:04,200 --> 04:43:09,600
heaven or resurrected him.
Whatever the case is, Well, if

4601
04:43:09,600 --> 04:43:13,000
the ward is, if Moses is that
concerned about the mysteries of

4602
04:43:13,000 --> 04:43:16,500
godliness, I would think that
this would fall under that same

4603
04:43:16,500 --> 04:43:19,100
Banner, right?
And he's going to be very

4604
04:43:19,100 --> 04:43:23,200
careful on how he works things
and I think you're seeing Echoes

4605
04:43:23,200 --> 04:43:28,200
of that same thing looks like.
I mean It looks like, you know,

4606
04:43:28,200 --> 04:43:34,500
in Alma very familiar with that
verbiage to convey the message

4607
04:43:34,500 --> 04:43:39,100
he wants to convey, which would
require a foreknowledge of

4608
04:43:39,100 --> 04:43:41,300
Deuteronomy to begin with.
Yeah.

4609
04:43:41,300 --> 04:43:43,400
Using this idiom buried by the
Lord.

4610
04:43:43,400 --> 04:43:46,900
Yeah.
Like That is borrowed from

4611
04:43:46,900 --> 04:43:48,800
Deuteronomy like that's that's
ridiculous.

4612
04:43:51,800 --> 04:43:55,000
So anyone who's listening to
this, who wants to send this

4613
04:43:55,000 --> 04:43:59,300
video to our link to it to all
these YouTubers so that they can

4614
04:43:59,300 --> 04:44:04,300
repent?
Please do They need it.

4615
04:44:04,300 --> 04:44:08,500
We all need it.
So, okay, I'm I'm not gonna do

4616
04:44:08,500 --> 04:44:14,300
the next one. but, We are we are
I only have a few pages left.

4617
04:44:15,100 --> 04:44:18,800
Oh, Um, and then we can both go
to bed.

4618
04:44:19,700 --> 04:44:27,900
Yes. so, in the next I know
sleep, when you're dead, The

4619
04:44:27,900 --> 04:44:32,100
next video that I was gonna show
basically talks about again, the

4620
04:44:32,100 --> 04:44:35,900
like the centralization of the
worship and it says no one is

4621
04:44:35,900 --> 04:44:41,500
allowed to build altars.
Therefore, this shows that

4622
04:44:41,500 --> 04:44:45,600
Lehigh was like a
countercultural guy because One

4623
04:44:45,600 --> 04:44:48,800
of the first things that Lehigh
does is he goes out into the

4624
04:44:48,800 --> 04:44:50,900
Wilderness and build an altar,
right?

4625
04:44:54,200 --> 04:44:57,900
Okay, but the thing is that if
you actually, we talked about

4626
04:44:57,900 --> 04:45:01,200
those other temples like there
was the Temple of onias in

4627
04:45:01,200 --> 04:45:04,600
Egypt, and like the ancient Jews
Like This is in, this is written

4628
04:45:04,600 --> 04:45:06,800
in the talmud.
They wrote about it and they

4629
04:45:06,800 --> 04:45:13,400
said that Temple was legit.
because, It was out of the land

4630
04:45:13,400 --> 04:45:15,900
of Israel.
It was far enough away.

4631
04:45:15,900 --> 04:45:21,000
Okay?
Because Mike day, like he quotes

4632
04:45:21,000 --> 04:45:24,000
he quotes from Deuteronomy.
He doesn't quote from

4633
04:45:24,000 --> 04:45:25,500
Deuteronomy 12.
If you quote from Deuteronomy

4634
04:45:25,500 --> 04:45:28,300
12, then we might get a
different impression, but he

4635
04:45:28,300 --> 04:45:32,400
says that Deuteronomy 12,
forbids, anyone from building

4636
04:45:32,400 --> 04:45:35,500
altars anywhere, but that is not
what it actually says.

4637
04:45:35,500 --> 04:45:41,800
It says, it says that when you
shall observe to do these things

4638
04:45:41,800 --> 04:45:45,600
in the land, which the Lord that
God give us the when you go over

4639
04:45:45,600 --> 04:45:48,400
Jordan and dwell in the land,
which the Lord, their God gives

4640
04:45:48,400 --> 04:45:51,900
you, then there shall be a place
which the Lord your God shall

4641
04:45:51,900 --> 04:45:53,500
choose to cause his name to
dwell there.

4642
04:45:53,500 --> 04:45:56,300
And did they show you bring all
that I command you your burnt

4643
04:45:56,300 --> 04:45:59,100
offerings and your sacrifice is
your ties and your heave

4644
04:45:59,100 --> 04:46:03,000
offerings and He goes on and
says, take heed to thyself that

4645
04:46:03,000 --> 04:46:06,000
thou offer not thy burnt
offerings in every place that

4646
04:46:06,000 --> 04:46:07,600
they'll see us.
But in the place, which the Lord

4647
04:46:07,608 --> 04:46:12,500
shall choose, okay?
So, but this commandment is when

4648
04:46:12,500 --> 04:46:15,600
you get into the land.
Where you're going to dwell,

4649
04:46:15,600 --> 04:46:19,100
then there's going to be a
centralized Place otherwise like

4650
04:46:19,100 --> 04:46:22,400
the the inference is otherwise
if you're outside of the land.

4651
04:46:23,600 --> 04:46:27,600
Then it's okay to offer
sacrifices because it's just

4652
04:46:27,600 --> 04:46:30,800
like three days away is if
you're four days away or

4653
04:46:30,800 --> 04:46:33,800
whatever, like that's a long way
to drive cattle or whatever.

4654
04:46:34,900 --> 04:46:37,900
So Lehigh run.
I mean, you actually get the

4655
04:46:37,900 --> 04:46:42,100
prescription of what to do when
you're away from the temple that

4656
04:46:42,100 --> 04:46:46,700
is correct by implication. so,
let's see.

4657
04:46:46,700 --> 04:46:53,000
Oh shoot.
And I thought I put it here but

4658
04:46:53,000 --> 04:46:58,300
there is I don't have the exact
reference so but you can

4659
04:46:58,300 --> 04:47:00,500
actually look this up.
Like, there's articles that have

4660
04:47:00,500 --> 04:47:04,100
been written about this because
it's it's like a potential

4661
04:47:04,100 --> 04:47:08,000
criticism of the Book of Mormon
that Lehigh, who is not a little

4662
04:47:08,000 --> 04:47:12,500
priest, is says it travels three
days outside of Jerusalem.

4663
04:47:12,500 --> 04:47:15,200
And then they build an altar and
offer sacrifices.

4664
04:47:16,400 --> 04:47:20,300
Okay, so interesting in in the
Dead Sea Scrolls, they found a

4665
04:47:20,300 --> 04:47:24,300
document that is in giving
interpretations on Deuteronomy

4666
04:47:24,300 --> 04:47:28,600
commentary on Deuteronomy.
And it says, it says, if you are

4667
04:47:28,600 --> 04:47:32,800
three days away or more, then
you can offer sacrifices.

4668
04:47:32,800 --> 04:47:34,900
This is, this is the ancient
understanding.

4669
04:47:35,900 --> 04:47:39,000
And like I said there was, it
was other temples that the

4670
04:47:39,000 --> 04:47:41,100
ancient people who supposedly
were under the spell of the

4671
04:47:41,100 --> 04:47:44,500
deuteronomist like allowed.
It's because they just actually

4672
04:47:44,500 --> 04:47:47,900
read Deuteronomy carefully and
and Lee High read Deuteronomy

4673
04:47:47,900 --> 04:47:50,700
carefully as well.
And knew that.

4674
04:47:50,700 --> 04:47:53,600
Once you get out of a certain
radius in your basically outside

4675
04:47:53,600 --> 04:47:56,100
and three days, three days
journey is basically outside.

4676
04:47:56,100 --> 04:47:58,400
No matter which direction you go
from Jerusalem.

4677
04:47:58,400 --> 04:48:01,000
If you travel for three days
straight, you're going to be

4678
04:48:01,000 --> 04:48:05,700
outside of the land of Israel.
And so, so Lehigh was no

4679
04:48:05,700 --> 04:48:06,700
different.
He went down by the Red Sea,

4680
04:48:08,000 --> 04:48:11,400
and, and, you know, the borders
of the Red Sea and offered

4681
04:48:11,400 --> 04:48:15,600
sacrifice there, but it was not
in Contrast to Deuteronomy.

4682
04:48:15,600 --> 04:48:28,900
It was actually in harmony with
it, so oh, okay. so, you know,

4683
04:48:28,908 --> 04:48:35,000
here's the, the last question I
guess is so if, if getting rid

4684
04:48:35,000 --> 04:48:41,000
of the graven images, And coming
up with a forgery Deuteronomy

4685
04:48:41,000 --> 04:48:45,100
and getting rid of Jesus and
getting rid of the atonement and

4686
04:48:45,100 --> 04:48:49,600
making a king.
And you know all the things that

4687
04:48:49,600 --> 04:48:52,600
they say the deuteron is for
doing if that if none of that

4688
04:48:52,608 --> 04:48:55,400
really holds water and none of
it really does, it just

4689
04:48:55,408 --> 04:48:57,600
contradicts The Book of Mormon
and it contradicts the other

4690
04:48:57,600 --> 04:49:00,200
scriptures and you have to just
kind of twist things and

4691
04:49:00,200 --> 04:49:02,800
misunderstand things, if that's
not what was so wicked.

4692
04:49:04,100 --> 04:49:06,200
If that's not what was going on,
then what was it?

4693
04:49:06,200 --> 04:49:14,500
That was so wicked about
Jerusalem at the time. and, so,

4694
04:49:14,500 --> 04:49:17,900
there's actually On one hand, we
have witnesses.

4695
04:49:18,900 --> 04:49:22,700
Of the wickedness of Jerusalem,
we have four Witnesses, four

4696
04:49:22,700 --> 04:49:25,800
prophetic Witnesses, Lee High
and Nephi.

4697
04:49:26,700 --> 04:49:33,000
And Jeremiah and Ezekiel.
And Lehigh and Nephi.

4698
04:49:33,000 --> 04:49:36,100
They don't give very much detail
Lehigh says, wickedness and

4699
04:49:36,100 --> 04:49:39,700
Abominations. and Nephi says
wickedness too but they don't

4700
04:49:39,708 --> 04:49:45,900
kind of they don't elaborate on
those but Jeremiah does and it

4701
04:49:45,900 --> 04:49:50,600
is like I don't know.
There's there's dozens, probably

4702
04:49:50,600 --> 04:49:53,800
dozens of verses like just,
like, almost every chapter.

4703
04:49:54,500 --> 04:50:01,700
Of Jeremiah is. telling the
people in Jerusalem that they

4704
04:50:01,700 --> 04:50:05,100
are, you know, that they're
committing Abominations with

4705
04:50:05,100 --> 04:50:09,000
idols and they've brought Idols
into the house of the Lord, and

4706
04:50:09,000 --> 04:50:13,300
it actually says that they have
back slid.

4707
04:50:14,100 --> 04:50:20,700
So, in other words, they have
Josiah has only been dead for a

4708
04:50:20,700 --> 04:50:24,700
while and they've and they've
gone back to the ways of

4709
04:50:24,700 --> 04:50:28,600
Manassas and amnon.
And brought brought the idols

4710
04:50:28,600 --> 04:50:31,300
back into the temple.
And they started doing molec

4711
04:50:31,300 --> 04:50:33,000
again.
They started doing sacrifices to

4712
04:50:33,000 --> 04:50:37,600
bail and, you know, burning
their children, and doing all

4713
04:50:37,600 --> 04:50:41,500
the things that that the dark
Triad.

4714
04:50:41,500 --> 04:50:44,600
Want them to do and Jeremiah
says, they've, they've

4715
04:50:44,600 --> 04:50:48,100
backtracked from what from the
reforms of Josiah, and just

4716
04:50:48,100 --> 04:50:51,200
hammers them over and over for
their idolatry as like the main

4717
04:50:51,200 --> 04:50:56,400
thing and Ezekiel does the same.
Ezekiel says, they are guilty of

4718
04:50:56,400 --> 04:51:01,500
worshiping these foreign Gods
Idols bringing them into the

4719
04:51:01,500 --> 04:51:04,100
house of the Lord.
Even the priests are corrupt.

4720
04:51:04,100 --> 04:51:12,500
Etc. so, like the, like the I
think that the the testimony of

4721
04:51:12,500 --> 04:51:16,300
the scriptures is clear and
unified.

4722
04:51:20,200 --> 04:51:24,300
And so I so I think like, what
are the what are the

4723
04:51:24,308 --> 04:51:26,400
consequences?
Of.

4724
04:51:28,100 --> 04:51:30,300
Accepting when we've talked
about some of these already.

4725
04:51:31,100 --> 04:51:34,100
Some of these we haven't though
but I think there's always this.

4726
04:51:34,100 --> 04:51:38,200
There's this feminist push to
try to, you know, pray to

4727
04:51:38,200 --> 04:51:41,500
heavenly mother and wanting the
priesthood like wanting to be

4728
04:51:41,500 --> 04:51:44,600
the same as the men.
You know, they have these,

4729
04:51:44,600 --> 04:51:47,000
there's these feminist goals of
society.

4730
04:51:47,000 --> 04:51:52,200
It's interesting in the Stick of
Joseph podcast several times.

4731
04:51:52,200 --> 04:51:54,200
I noticed I get the beginning of
these podcasts.

4732
04:51:54,200 --> 04:51:58,100
They're like now listen, we're
not saying you should be

4733
04:51:58,108 --> 04:52:01,000
worshiping heavenly mother and
praying to her and whatever.

4734
04:52:01,000 --> 04:52:05,000
We're just gonna show you the
what the ancient people did and

4735
04:52:05,000 --> 04:52:06,900
what the truth you know.
Like going to say what we're

4736
04:52:06,900 --> 04:52:10,400
gonna show you what the truth of
all this is and so like they

4737
04:52:10,400 --> 04:52:12,700
kind of have a conflicting
message there.

4738
04:52:14,100 --> 04:52:16,800
We have the abortion helps women
to be more like heavenly mother.

4739
04:52:16,800 --> 04:52:21,300
Okay, crazy ideas.
Bail is Jesus Son of el and

4740
04:52:21,300 --> 04:52:26,900
asherah or astronaut?
A. but I'm going to I'm going to

4741
04:52:26,908 --> 04:52:31,400
say one other one that I haven't
mentioned yet and I don't, I

4742
04:52:34,700 --> 04:52:41,300
well, I will say I've been to
some Not secret, but private

4743
04:52:41,300 --> 04:52:44,600
private meetings with some very
well connected.

4744
04:52:45,500 --> 04:52:51,600
Church members. where some of
these things were discussed in

4745
04:52:51,600 --> 04:52:58,200
at length and people inside the
church you know departments who

4746
04:52:58,200 --> 04:53:03,200
are involved in these projects
and this this idea of the, the

4747
04:53:03,200 --> 04:53:11,200
deuteronomist hypothesis and the
The undercutting of the current

4748
04:53:11,200 --> 04:53:15,400
narrative and the feminism, and
all that, all those things that

4749
04:53:15,400 --> 04:53:20,800
are tied with this, I this
desire to bring back Canaanite

4750
04:53:20,800 --> 04:53:24,200
goddesses.
Is tied at the hip.

4751
04:53:25,000 --> 04:53:28,100
To all of the changes that have
happened to the LDS temple

4752
04:53:28,100 --> 04:53:35,900
ceremony.
And and you know and this is

4753
04:53:35,900 --> 04:53:40,300
this is part of the motivation
behind changing, the simple

4754
04:53:40,300 --> 04:53:47,500
ceremony to get rid of.
Um, to get rid of need to bring

4755
04:53:47,508 --> 04:53:54,300
feminism kind of things in.
And I don't know, all of the, I

4756
04:53:54,300 --> 04:53:57,100
don't know all of the plans, but
I do know that we're on like

4757
04:53:57,100 --> 04:54:00,900
part three or four.
Now of a 15 part plan to like

4758
04:54:00,900 --> 04:54:05,800
incrementally, change these
things. and that, like I said,

4759
04:54:05,808 --> 04:54:11,000
is it is tied that they have
actually have Have some

4760
04:54:11,000 --> 04:54:13,900
information on send you later.
I was going to send it to you

4761
04:54:13,900 --> 04:54:16,800
before, but I just didn't get
around to it but if you're

4762
04:54:16,800 --> 04:54:20,400
interested, Yeah, I'm very
interested in you and I should

4763
04:54:20,400 --> 04:54:26,200
compare notes when we're not
being recorded because IQ have

4764
04:54:26,200 --> 04:54:31,200
heard some things.
So what to do with all of this?

4765
04:54:31,200 --> 04:54:34,900
So I have kind of different bits
of advice depending on where

4766
04:54:34,900 --> 04:54:37,100
you're at.
So if you are a fundamentalist

4767
04:54:37,100 --> 04:54:42,500
already, I would just say don't
fall for this crap, like just

4768
04:54:42,500 --> 04:54:46,700
stick to the scriptures.
Hold to the revelations.

4769
04:54:46,700 --> 04:54:49,400
Hold to the rod.
Okay, that is what

4770
04:54:49,400 --> 04:54:53,300
fundamentalists do best.
You have watched before, no

4771
04:54:53,300 --> 04:54:56,800
doubt, you've watched
generations of Latter-day

4772
04:54:56,800 --> 04:54:59,400
Saints.
Let go of the scriptures, let go

4773
04:54:59,400 --> 04:55:02,500
of the revelations and try to do
something better with them.

4774
04:55:03,900 --> 04:55:06,200
A disregard.
The word of God in one way or

4775
04:55:06,200 --> 04:55:07,400
another.
Okay.

4776
04:55:07,400 --> 04:55:10,200
And this is no different than
those other things.

4777
04:55:10,200 --> 04:55:13,200
So, don't let go.
You will wander off into strange

4778
04:55:13,200 --> 04:55:16,100
paths and midst of Darkness,
just like you have seen other

4779
04:55:16,100 --> 04:55:21,000
people do. if you are in the
mainstream Church, okay, you

4780
04:55:21,000 --> 04:55:25,400
don't need to tear down.
Deuteronomy Joshua, Judges

4781
04:55:25,400 --> 04:55:32,700
Samuel, Samuel King's Kings.
You don't need to tear down the

4782
04:55:32,700 --> 04:55:35,800
scriptures in order to believe
in heavenly mother or to find

4783
04:55:35,800 --> 04:55:38,600
her in the scriptures.
If you want to know more about

4784
04:55:38,600 --> 04:55:41,200
her, then you should look to
your own tradition.

4785
04:55:42,400 --> 04:55:44,600
Ask a fundamentalist some
questions.

4786
04:55:44,600 --> 04:55:46,000
Okay.
Study.

4787
04:55:46,000 --> 04:55:48,300
What the prophets said, the
early brother and in this,

4788
04:55:48,300 --> 04:55:51,100
dispensation the prophets in the
apostles rather than studying

4789
04:55:51,100 --> 04:55:55,700
the Pagan Methodist, okay?
Margaret Barker you think you're

4790
04:55:55,700 --> 04:55:58,700
chasing heavenly mother but
you're actually chasing Lilith

4791
04:55:59,900 --> 04:56:02,700
Okay, and there are is actually
and you know who Lilith is?

4792
04:56:03,600 --> 04:56:07,000
Dave.
Yep, the first wife of Adam who

4793
04:56:07,000 --> 04:56:11,100
is Right refused to submit to
Adam.

4794
04:56:11,100 --> 04:56:14,700
And then she there's some
stories that say she became the

4795
04:56:14,700 --> 04:56:18,400
the demon that that's mother of
demons, the infants.

4796
04:56:18,400 --> 04:56:22,700
That is right, that is right.
That is Lilith, that and Lilith

4797
04:56:22,700 --> 04:56:25,900
becomes in the stories of Lilith
is Ishtar, like she.

4798
04:56:25,900 --> 04:56:30,700
So you are chasing after the
wrong, heavenly mother, don't do

4799
04:56:30,700 --> 04:56:31,400
that.
Okay?

4800
04:56:31,400 --> 04:56:35,700
If you're a progressive Mormon,
And you're going to keep pushing

4801
04:56:35,700 --> 04:56:37,400
irrational things that don't
work.

4802
04:56:38,200 --> 04:56:41,200
Social contagions that are
neither science nor religion.

4803
04:56:42,000 --> 04:56:45,400
If that's you then the
documentary hypothesis is well

4804
04:56:45,400 --> 04:56:48,600
fit right in with your ideology.
So go for it, okay?

4805
04:56:48,600 --> 04:56:52,200
And if you are an atheist or an
agnostic and you're not going to

4806
04:56:52,200 --> 04:56:55,200
believe in the Divinity of the
scriptures anyway, then at least

4807
04:56:55,208 --> 04:56:57,800
pick a different theory that
isn't.

4808
04:56:57,800 --> 04:57:02,300
So, obviously flawed So pick one
that doesn't require you to

4809
04:57:02,300 --> 04:57:04,200
ignore the text that you're
trying to Bunk.

4810
04:57:04,200 --> 04:57:06,300
So that's my advice for those
people.

4811
04:57:07,400 --> 04:57:10,300
There you go.
That's my, that's my take on the

4812
04:57:10,300 --> 04:57:13,500
documentary hypothesis and the
Deuteronomy is deuteronomist.

4813
04:57:13,500 --> 04:57:19,200
Hypothesis in particular.
Gosh, that was awesome. you

4814
04:57:19,200 --> 04:57:22,600
know, I want to say this after
looking at this now, and again,

4815
04:57:22,600 --> 04:57:26,800
I'm gonna withhold Full judgment
till I get the other side here.

4816
04:57:26,800 --> 04:57:31,100
But there are some things here
that really Disturbed me right?

4817
04:57:31,100 --> 04:57:35,800
Um As they ought to I think.
Oh yeah.

4818
04:57:35,800 --> 04:57:38,600
Me too.
The part the part that worries

4819
04:57:38,600 --> 04:57:41,900
me the most is.
How much critical theory is in

4820
04:57:41,900 --> 04:57:46,100
this, right?
It oozes critical theory and for

4821
04:57:46,100 --> 04:57:48,500
anyone that doesn't understand
critical theory.

4822
04:57:48,500 --> 04:57:52,100
Critical theory is the thing
that drives marks and its

4823
04:57:52,100 --> 04:57:55,900
formation and it's early.
Expression.

4824
04:57:55,900 --> 04:57:59,900
Right there has to be some sort
of a presser oppressed class,

4825
04:57:59,900 --> 04:58:03,800
right?
And you can have that between

4826
04:58:03,800 --> 04:58:09,700
the Sexes.
You can have that between People

4827
04:58:09,700 --> 04:58:13,200
with political clout with people
with money versus those who

4828
04:58:13,200 --> 04:58:19,900
don't have it and it's it's
meant to incite conflict. and

4829
04:58:19,900 --> 04:58:24,300
what I'm seeing here is that
it's kind of doing the job,

4830
04:58:24,300 --> 04:58:26,000
right?
Because what we're seeing is

4831
04:58:26,000 --> 04:58:30,500
that it is conflicting, With
what's been revealed thus far,

4832
04:58:30,500 --> 04:58:35,000
right?
If look Joseph made no qualms

4833
04:58:35,000 --> 04:58:38,000
about saying if he didn't think
a book didn't belong in the

4834
04:58:38,000 --> 04:58:39,900
Bible, right?
He's got some things to say

4835
04:58:39,900 --> 04:58:42,300
about the song Solomon, right,
right.

4836
04:58:42,300 --> 04:58:47,100
So, he but, but not only does he
leave it in, he makes Inspire

4837
04:58:47,100 --> 04:58:49,100
changes to it.
Right?

4838
04:58:49,100 --> 04:58:52,400
So, if you're just gonna call BS
on the whole book.

4839
04:58:52,400 --> 04:58:55,600
Well, guess what?
You're gonna call bs2 on Joseph,

4840
04:58:55,600 --> 04:58:59,100
Smith's Inspired revision of it,
right?

4841
04:58:59,100 --> 04:59:02,100
And for him to pick out,
something a settle as.

4842
04:59:02,100 --> 04:59:05,200
Um.
Yeah, you know what, don't give

4843
04:59:05,200 --> 04:59:08,000
the dead animal to the stranger.
No one gets it.

4844
04:59:08,000 --> 04:59:11,400
That's a very small thing that
he picked up on which tells me.

4845
04:59:11,400 --> 04:59:16,300
He combed over that text more
than just you know, right to a

4846
04:59:16,300 --> 04:59:20,500
cage and point to something.
So this idea that you're going

4847
04:59:20,500 --> 04:59:22,300
to have your cake and eat it
too.

4848
04:59:22,300 --> 04:59:27,700
I think is if you Embrace that
full idea, right?

4849
04:59:27,700 --> 04:59:31,500
The of the documentary
hypothesis, the the

4850
04:59:31,500 --> 04:59:36,100
deuteronomist hypothesis you
have to contend with Joseph

4851
04:59:36,100 --> 04:59:39,000
again, you are going to find
yourself at odds.

4852
04:59:39,000 --> 04:59:45,400
I believe with Joseph at some
point on this Yeah, I concur.

4853
04:59:45,400 --> 04:59:49,100
So but anyway dude that was good
stuff.

4854
04:59:49,100 --> 04:59:51,100
Hang out for just five minutes.
I'll let you go to bed.

4855
04:59:51,108 --> 04:59:53,600
Yeah.
Awesome.

4856
04:59:53,600 --> 04:59:54,600
That was great.
All right.

4857
04:59:54,608 --> 04:59:56,600
Bye everybody.
Hey bye.