Episode #187: Pride Goes Before The Fall W/Justin Francom

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The you're listening to the
Mormon Renegade podcast.

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Well, look, this is one of those
those episodes that I'm sure is

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going to get a lot of views and
a lot of listens.

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And this could end up with you
and I both being in a lawsuit,

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Facebook jail, YouTube jail and
general outcast of societies.

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But other than that, this is
going to go great.

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How you doing tonight Justin?
I am ready to be a pariah.

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I'm ready to be a pariah.
Let's do it.

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All right, dude, When when we
first started talking about

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this?
Wait real quick, Dave.

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Yeah.
Happy, Happy Pride Month.

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Dude, I look, I didn't do that
because I wasn't going to do

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that to you, right?
I thought about it and then I

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was like, well, he's not going
to do that to me.

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I can't do that to him.
And like a brother should you

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got you beat me to it.
I second guessed myself.

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That's my fault.
Folks, This is a lesson.

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You never ignore the promptings
of the spirit.

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You always go first.
Well placed, Sir.

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I like to call it beware of
Pragma.

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Honestly, I think there's, I
think it's kind of great, right?

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I think we need to come up with
five more deadly sins and we can

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have one to focus on every
month.

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Yes.
Yes, it's a a great call to

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repentance.
Yeah, You know, because we

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wouldn't want to devote a whole
month of celebration to like, I

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don't know, the troops, you
know, anybody else worthwhile.

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We, you know, really
victimhood's where it's at,

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Justin.
That's been our problem.

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We haven't played the victim
enough.

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As Mormons, I think we should
really look into this.

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I think we're missing out on a
few things.

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I think.
I think there's something to be

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had so.
We need a Mormons were

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persecuted month.
I know, I know.

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We need a Mormon month, that's
all I'm saying.

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And not like like hardcore
Mormon month, like you and me

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kind of Mormon month, right?
So so.

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I I could see it already.
It'll be great.

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All the companies will put, you
know, the Deseret flag and stuff

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on their.
Logos.

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Oh no, you silly man.
Don't you know alternative

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lifestyles are fine.
If you're on the left side of

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the spectrum politically, then
it's good.

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But guys like you and I know
that's not for us, my man.

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So Matt, as we as we were
talking about this last night, I

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was like, I'll be honest, there
are certain episodes that I

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don't want to do right, but need
to be done.

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And this is one of those.
And as we approach this, we're

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we're going to do it like we
always do it.

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And and I'm sure there'll be
some humor along the way, but

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this is pretty serious stuff,
right?

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So Justin, what?
What'd you find, man?

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Well, I've just been trying to
keep up with with the with the

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culture, right?
And there's a lot of things, a

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lot of things going bad, but
then there's there's some

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positive stuff as well,
honestly.

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So, but I think it's time to
really look at some of these

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things and address them.
And what I'm specifically

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talking about here is, well,
Pride, LGBTQIA, plus all that,

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all that stuff, because the
culture on this, even within the

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church has shifted an immense
amount since, well, since the

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proclamation of the family came.
I'll, I'll be honest.

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So I was still in the church
when the proclamation of the

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family came out.
And I was like, at first,

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really, really excited because
I'm like, finally we've got some

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new revelation, something new
official.

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Coming.
You know, I mean, my whole life

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I was I've been waiting for some
new.

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You were waiting come from the
church.

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You were waiting for the call to
go back to Missouri, right?

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I mean, I think as priesthood
holders, we all.

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Work something we the seal
portion coming out maybe?

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Something.
You know something and then the

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procolate, and I'll be honest at
the time, I'm just like, what is

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this?
What is this?

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I mean, it's not, it wasn't bad.
It was just like, so in your

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face, obvious.
Duh.

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I'm just like, OK, I'll be
honest.

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I'll hand it to those men.
Dude, I got to.

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Give it to the guys whose
signatures are on the

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proclamation to the family that
was inspired Revelation and it's

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insane that it's not canonized
in the scripture.

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Absolutely.
You know, it's, it's funny

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because that came out when I,
the year I joined the church, I

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joined the church in 95.
That came out, I think late 95,

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early 96, right.
And I remember had a couple of

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buddies like, why did you become
a Mormon?

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I'm like continuing revelation,
bro.

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And they're like, well, what do
you got?

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I'm like, well, all this stuff
in the Doctrine of Covenants,

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they're like, yeah, that's from
the 1800s, like right now, what

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do you got?
And I'm like, well, this, they

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just released this, right?
And there was a proclamation and

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everybody was like, well, yeah,
but I don't know if you can call

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that revelation.
That's that's pretty.

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That's a no brainer, right?
I mean, look, we knew there were

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gay people out there, right?
And we didn't necessarily have a

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problem with it, right?
We're just like, whatever you do

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you, not my thing, you do you.
But we never saw coming what has

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happened recently, right?
In my youngest 17 year old self,

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I was like, well, this is a no
brainer.

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Of course, there will always be
outliers and we need to, you

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know, make sure that our
position is fortified.

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But you know, the the
interesting thing was is I'm

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like you, I kept waiting for
that bad boy to be canonized,

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right?
I'm not sure that you can't.

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Like if you're using just the
definition of what scripture is,

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I think that meets the
qualifications right?

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I mean, it deserves.
It it was signed by the quorum

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and the First Presidency, they
all signed it.

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I mean, if that's not, I mean
other than the need to present

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it to the church to be accepted,
what else is there?

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Yeah, yeah, no.
And and I've always said if we

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wanted to put this debate to
rest in the LDS Church, super

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simple, canonize that that that
proclamation done no more,

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right, We see what kind of
effect that can have.

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Look, most devout Mormons in the
LDS church, they still think

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that plural marriage, whether
they like it or not, is, is

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doctrinal, right?
Because it's in the book, right?

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We could do the same.
The same thing could be done

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with the proclamation.
And in my estimation, the only

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thing that's missing is the
political will to get it done,

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right.
I mean, all the trappings are

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there.
I think it's pretty telling that

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it hasn't been done.
That thing is what, now 95?

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That thing is 30 years old this
year and and it's the.

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Most relevant.
It's it's probably the most

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relevant thing that's ever come
out of the modern church.

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Absolutely.
And and it's still just

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languishing in this in between
area, right?

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Right.
Yeah.

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And I'm like, OK, if, if the
church isn't going to use it,

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can we have that?
Because I think that's kind of

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cool, right?
Like it, it kind of actually,

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you know what we we ought to do
a a fundamentalist family

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proclamation to the world.
Yeah.

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That would be money.
All right, so everybody send

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your submissions to Dave.
Let's do an official

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Fundamentalist Family
proclamation.

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With that one statement, you
have single handedly destroyed

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my e-mail like I'm going to.
I'm sorry there tonight and

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clean that bad boy out.
Cuz I won't.

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Happen.
You need to cut that.

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You can cut it.
No, I'm gonna leave it in.

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It's good.
It's too good not to.

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So what are you seeing exactly?
Yeah, so I mean, I try to keep

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abreast of culture.
I like to know what's going on

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and, and where minds and hearts
are.

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And I saw, I saw some really
interesting stuff happening on

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social media.
And one of them, one of these

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things actually kind of shocked
me, but I think it just kind of,

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well, let me share it.
I'll show you this post.

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This was made by actually, I
believe it was originally put on

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Facebook.
I don't have the whole thing.

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I'm not on Facebook.
Here we go.

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Hey, here we go.
You got it, Is that it?

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Yep.
What's up?

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All right, this came out from
Fair Mormon.

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OK.
And.

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Anybody what fair Mormon is, in
case they don't know.

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Right so fair Mormon is it's
church adjacent.

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It's not official in any way
officially connected to the LDS

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Church, but it's basically the
apologetic arm.

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The the the most well known
popular.

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I mean, I honestly, it's they
they they're they can be a great

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resource.
A lot of times, sometimes as

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apologetics go, I find sometimes
things get stretched to try to

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accommodate a narrative and you
have that a lot of times and

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apologetics.
And maybe I should explain

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apologetics.
So apologetics is the the the

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theological philosophical
defense of your theology.

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It's not like giving an apology,
right?

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It it?
No, it's not.

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Giving an apology?
No not at all not at all.

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In fact apologetics are usually
usually pretty arrogant in us

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off putting to me in a lot of
ways.

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But but the idea behind it is
there's a lot of anti Mormon

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lies and and half truths out
there, right, right.

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And the idea with apologetics is
to answer those claims.

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So when somebody's like, Hey, I
heard that Joseph Smith had

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underage wives, you know,
they're going to have an article

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talking about explaining it,
putting into context.

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OK, well, underage according to
modern society or society back

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then, right.
And questions of whether whether

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there were relations or not.
And so they they take things

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that, you know, anti Mormons
generally will take as shock and

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awe to try to deter people from
their faith in the in the

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restored gospel.
And they try to answer some of

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those claims and criticisms.
And, you know, I mean, honestly,

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The funny thing is, as a
fundamentalist, I find that a

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lot of the Anthony Mormon stuff
is just like, yeah, yeah.

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Yep.
Did you know that?

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Did you know that Brigham Young
said Adam was God?

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Yeah, yeah.
And I'm pretty good with that

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idea, right?
Yeah, yeah.

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Mm.
Hmm.

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But anyway, that's kind of what
Fair Mormon is.

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And so it's a it's a well
respected organization within,

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within Mormon culture, within
the LDS culture.

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And a lot of people go there to
find help when they encounter

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stuff that they don't understand
when people are attacking the

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faith.
So they put out for pride month

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this post and they started a
firestorm on on social media.

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So loving our LGBTQ plus
brothers and sisters, you know,

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I don't have any.
I don't see anything wrong with

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with that per SE, right?
I think that that's something

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that we definitely should
remember.

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Definitely something we should
remember that you know you can

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you can love the Sinner despite
the sin.

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Yep.
However, however.

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Can can I stop you just there
before you move on there?

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Because because I want to point
something out, right?

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This is something that we get a
lot, which is well, you just

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want them to go away.
You just want them to die.

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And that's not the case.
Neither of us are advocating

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like, look, if you want to see
what that looks like, go to the

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Middle East, right?
Go ahead and go set up shop in

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Iraq, in Iran, any of those
countries over there.

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I am a fan.
I'll just say this now.

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I am a fan of not throwing
people off buildings.

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I I'm crazy that way, right?
I I mean, don't get me wrong, I

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like to throw a good party, but
never once did, yeah, let's

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throw that dude off the
building.

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Seem like a good thing no matter
which way he swings, right?

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And I don't espouse that.
So anyone who thinks this is a

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call for violence or anything
like that, put that away.

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That's not what we're doing
here.

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No, not even close, not even
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But The thing is, is that the
pride movement might have

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started with this desire to seek
recognition, right?

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And I can understand a certain
amount of of sympathy to that at

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that time where they don't want
to be second rate citizens.

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Right.
OK, I don't think anybody should

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be a second rate citizen.
However, at this point this is

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2025.
Right.

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It's no longer about being an
equal citizen, and it's about

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being a privileged citizen.
Yes, and it's about making

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everybody else agree.
That is a great point and that's

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something I have said a few
different times on the show

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here, which is what was the
fatal flaw here with the LDS

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church on this?
It was not understanding the

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game that you were playing,
right?

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The I firmly believe that the
LDS Church had great intentions

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of, you know what, just like I
was saying, we don't want to see

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violence perpetrated on people
no matter what, right?

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Not our thing.
We think all people should be

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able to go out and buy whatever
rent, whatever space they can

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afford, right?
Everybody should should have a

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right to to work, so to speak,
if you're willing to put in the

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work.
And and I think the church was

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was in that camp.
What they didn't realize is that

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the ones up top who were pushing
this agenda, the LGBTQ agenda,

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they were playing a different
game.

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They weren't.
They were saying, yeah, hey, we

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we just want, we just want
recognition.

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What they were really wanting
was to win at all costs, full

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riot at the expense of of things
that we hold dear as Mormons.

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Look, no faith in the world is
as reliant on heteronormative

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behavior between husband and
wife than Mormonism.

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It is a core central tenet.
And to have us just throw that

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out undermines our perception
and belief in God.

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And I think this is one of the
lessons we really need to take

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away, which is understand what
game you're playing and who who

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the opponent is and do a little
bit of research before you just

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poke the I believe button and
run with it.

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Right.
And let's be honest here too

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though, right?
Like I, I agree with you there.

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However, you know, if I show up
in full Magagarb at a Starbucks

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looking for a job, you know I'm
not getting that, you know, you

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know I'm not getting that job.
Why?

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Why?
They would be bad to their

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brand.
It would offend their customers.

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I understand that.
Actually I'm I'm OK with that

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even.
Sure.

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And so, yeah, I, I think that
anybody, everybody deserves to

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have a place to have work, but
that doesn't mean you, you have

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a right to work in any place and
position that you so desire or

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to live in any place and
position that you desire.

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I mean man, I remember being a a
college student and I would not

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want college students live in
next door to me if I lived in a

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duplex.
Right.

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I wouldn't, right?
And if my landlord was putting

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them there, I'd be me and
anybody else with a family in

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that neighborhood going to want
to move.

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And then so I think it's it's
reasonable to understand that

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discrimination is a natural
thing and it's not necessarily a

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bad thing.
Right.

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This is this is how we learned
don't eat that plant.

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Do eat that plant.
This plant that you, this plant

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feels your tummy.
This plant gives you the runs

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right?
Check.

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And so discrimination is is an
important characteristic and and

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and judgement of that kind.
We just don't want to judge

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unrighteously.
And I think that's up to

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individuals to decide not not to
the state.

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I agree.
And so I'm not a fan of of state

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sponsored guaranteed.
Me neither.

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You know, rights like that
anyways.

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And personally, as as
fundamentalist history shows,

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fundamentalist aren't we don't
get those perks.

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No, no, no, no.
We.

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In fact, even to this day,
right?

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I know people who've lost jobs
over over their religious

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positions and fundamentalism.
And that's tragic, right?

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But do you want to live in a
world where the government's

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policing that though is either
though.

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Absolutely not.
And, and look, I wasn't

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espousing government, you know.
No, I know, I know.

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But that was the church's thing.
Is that that that sounds

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charitable.
That sounds nice.

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I'm not even there though.
First, personally, I'm still

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like, but that's not even where
they wanted anyways.

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They weren't looking for equal
rights.

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They were looking for superior
rights and we see that with the

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DEI and all these DI hiring
practices.

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Right.
And yeah, so with that, I mean

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with the context of of pride, it
being Pride Month, a post like

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this is just kind of, in my
opinion, a little bit in poor

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taste.
Sure.

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Yep, Now they they listed the
church's official stance on

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this, right.
So the church does not take a

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position on the cause of same
sex attraction.

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OK, sure.
I mean, it's, it's not, we don't

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have a theological basis to to
make a determination like that,

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right?
It's not like the scriptures

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we're we're not that.
This isn't the Nemenhah.

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No, yeah, let's not revisit
that.

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That was rough.
Let's not revisit that.

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Yeah, But you know, we don't
have any theological grounds to

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say what where this comes from
other than, well, Satan's the

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father of of all elites and
sins.

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So.
You're right.

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Outside of that, feelings of
same sex traction are not a sin.

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That statement I find a little
bit I I understand what they,

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what they, what can be meant
from that, but it can mean a

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lot.
It can look like it's saying a

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lot of different things, right?
Right.

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Because I mean, could you, if we
replace same sex attraction

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there with lusting to to another
man's wife to take another man's

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wife by force, feelings of
desiring to take another man's

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wife by force, it's not a sin.
Is it?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean.

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So there's a difference, I
think, behind an innate

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attraction and, and an actual
desire, a specific desire,

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right, Right.
And those specific desires,

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whether or not it's a sin,
they're not healthy, right?

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And they, they shouldn't be
entertained.

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And it doesn't say anything
about that here though, right?

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There's nothing here saying
like, but to dwell on it, to

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fantasize about it to you know
that that you can't take that

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too far.
Yeah, that, that is a different

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thing.
And the other thing, I'll say

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this, there's a man once in the
LDS church, he told me and he

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said that upon which you fix
your eyes is what you will come

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to desire, right.
And look, as normal heterosexual

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men, we can appreciate a good
looking woman.

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We make sure not to dwell on it
though, right?

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You put that away as quickly as
it comes and and then you move

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on from that.
And so I'm like you, it's it's

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kind of ambiguous given the the
context.

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Right.
I mean, I think there probably

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are clearly there's some kind of
innate thing going on there or

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maybe not innate, but
nonetheless a developed thing.

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There's something there that I
don't have because I don't, I

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don't have that.
No.

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But I do have an interest in
women though.

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Right.
And so it's not like I'm

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completely unempathetic, but at
the same time I watch myself

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because of I take responsibility
for my inclinations to desire to

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sin.
And that almost seems like a, an

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excuse to that.
You don't have to, you don't

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need to take that
responsibility.

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That's why it bothers me a
little bit.

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Like I, I, I, again, it's not
like people can have things that

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aren't their fault, but you
know, it just, it's worrying.

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It worries me.
What is the message that's being

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conveyed to people?
Right, because there's not

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enough nuance here.
And that's what bothers me.

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These look at these, these
bullet points and there's

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there's really no nuance to any
of this.

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There's no really going deep and
well, what do you mean by

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feelings?
What is that feeling?

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Is that mean just the fact that
you are interested in men in

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general?
Because if that's the case, OK,

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sure, I understand that, right?
But if it's talking about in

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specific, well clearly that's a
sin.

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Just like it would be for me to
specifically see a woman and say

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I I want to I want to lust after
her.

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Right.
No.

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But that's Christ, the higher
law that's committing adultery

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in your heart.
Absolutely.

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And and that's where I was going
next, right, is there's that

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whole thing about not lusting.
And so are, are they talking

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about lusting?
Are they talking about somebody

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just noticing somebody else?
Where's it at?

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There's no nuance here to this.
And to put this forward, and I

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want to say this, timing is
everything, right?

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Had this been done in the month
of September, we're probably not

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batting much of an eye at it,
right?

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Wait, isn't September gay
History Month?

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I don't know my birth month
anyway, No, no, my yeah, I just

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again, timing is everything,
right?

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And look, if it, it has the
appearance of of celebrating

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Pride month with every other
organization out there, right?

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Every other business or
nonprofit, right?

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And.
That's that last quote

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specifically here that really to
me is the most off putting.

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It says those who experience
same sex attraction or identify

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as gay can fully participate in
the.

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Church or?
Identify as gay.

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That's weird, isn't it?
Isn't that strange because I

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like.
The same sex attraction

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terminology because you're just
stating a fact.

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Right.
I'm an opposite sex attracted

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person.
Some people are same sex

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attracted.
You're just stating a fact,

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right?
But I don't say that.

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You know, I don't call myself a
whoremonger.

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I don't identify as a
whoremonger, but there's

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definitely an inclination in
there, right?

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There's a there's certainly a
darkness within me that without

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the gospel would lead me to
desires that would go to a place

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like that.
But I don't call myself that.

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Right.
And generally speaking, again,

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the the language is so ambiguous
here, right?

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But generally speaking, if
somebody says that they are gay,

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it kind of in all the world that
I know.

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And maybe maybe things are
different in Utah, but in all

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the world, I know people who say
I'm gay, it means that they have

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sexual relations with men or, or
with, you know, with women, with

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women or men with men.
It's it's not an issue of, of

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just attraction.
By saying you're gay is kind of

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saying that you actually act on
and engage in that kind of

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stuff.
Yeah, no, that's, that's a good

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point.
The the other thing that I was

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looking at there with that
because, because my eyes went to

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that too when I saw that earlier
this week.

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If, if you are attracted to the
same sex, right?

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And, and here I think you can
say you at least have those

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inclinations, right?
But to identify it that way,

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right, Just like you were
saying, if you're a raging

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alcoholic and you stop being a
raging alcoholic, you don't you

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might understand that that's.
You say I'm I'm 500 days sober.

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Yes, you don't say.
Exactly you you don't embrace it

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right, You don't go well, I've
seen this happen actually, but

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you shouldn't, you shouldn't,
right.

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You shouldn't say like, Yep, I'm
an alcoholic and then just

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embrace it, right?
And look as as and as believers

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in the restored gospel.
There's not a lot of ways that

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that lifestyle can fit inside of
the restored gospel.

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It's, it's, it seems to wreck
that plan to a certain extent,

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right?
Right, right.

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00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:07,840
And so again, same sex
attraction.

455
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,160
I mean I I've known people that
are have same sex attraction

456
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,400
that have.
Had.

457
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,040
They've gone through experiences
with the gospel and they have

458
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:23,200
found healing through that and
that they have found even wives

459
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,920
and have gone on and, and, and
been able to live functional

460
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,960
lives right, Despite that
adversity.

461
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:34,600
However, if you're still
identifying as gay, how can you

462
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:39,360
fully participate in the church?
Like so if you, you can identify

463
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:45,240
as gay and be sealed to a woman,
is that, is that smart?

464
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,280
Is that safe?
Like if you still like, I mean,

465
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,680
I, if you said, hey, I, I, I,
I'm same sex attraction.

466
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:56,200
I had that, I was born with it,
but I don't act on it and I,

467
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,760
I'll never act on it again.
I'm committed to never acting on

468
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,280
it again.
And I think that I have

469
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:06,080
attraction to women as well and
I'm willing to, to, to be

470
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,680
sealed.
That's, I think that's fine.

471
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,920
That's great.
That's a good thing, right?

472
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,920
Right.
But if you're just saying no,

473
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,600
no, I'm gay, I'm not attracted
to women, I'm attracted to men.

474
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,120
But I want to fully participate
in the church, so I'm going.

475
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,400
Well, yeah, I mean, let's face
it, right?

476
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,560
I mean, think of all the
callings that we know of because

477
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,040
we were both members of the LDS
Church, that they usually make

478
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,320
sure that unless you're in a
singles ward, you're probably

479
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,680
married for right.
You got Bishop, you got elders,

480
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,240
corn president, you've got all
their counselors.

481
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,400
I guess there's no high priest
group now, but just go down the

482
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,920
list, right?
There's a lot of them that they,

483
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,560
they, you know, last time I
checked, and I could be wrong, I

484
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,160
haven't read it in a long time.
But like, I remember that, like

485
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,240
I remember being in APEC and
that was called Priesthood

486
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,240
Executive Committee, you know,
before they change stuff up and

487
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,080
we would bat around ideas for
certain callings and be like,

488
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,120
oh, you know what?
I wish brother so and so was

489
00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:12,480
married because he'd fit this
one right.

490
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,840
And so and again, there are
outliers like in singles wards

491
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,480
and that sort of thing where I
have seen it before, where,

492
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,000
where there is somebody who's
not married in one of those

493
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:27,320
positions, usually a counselor,
but usually the president didn't

494
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:32,680
want to see you married, right?
Excuse me?

495
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,480
Well, and then also as far as
participation goes too, not just

496
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,520
that, right, but like if
somebody does have admits that

497
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,440
they've got an, you know,
they're struggling with

498
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,960
something like that.
There are certain callings that

499
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,720
might not be the best idea,
right?

500
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,080
You may maybe it's not the best
for you to be working with young

501
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,760
men, for example.
And I think that's very

502
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,040
reasonable.
Right.

503
00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,640
We wouldn't send a dude
unaccompanied to to to girls

504
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:01,960
camp, right?
I mean.

505
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,280
Right.
And I don't think you you do

506
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,720
that at all either, right, in
general.

507
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,360
No.
And so we don't have women

508
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,400
teach, you know, the, the priest
quorum or be the priest quorum

509
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,400
teacher.
We don't have men be the young

510
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,440
women's teachers.
Absolutely.

511
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,480
I mean, I, I think that's kind
of reasonable.

512
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:24,680
It's just common sense.
It's.

513
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,080
Kind of common sense.
It's not saying you're a bad

514
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,040
person, it's just saying you're
a dude.

515
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,320
You don't.
You don't need to be hanging

516
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,600
around the young women.
Right, right.

517
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,640
Same thing last time, Yeah, No,
Yeah.

518
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,760
So that whole thing about full
participation, I want to ask

519
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,880
what is that define that for me?
Is that just showing up to

520
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,640
church and taking the sacrament?
Well, I got no problems with

521
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,760
that.
If you're you're working through

522
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:53,440
those things, trying to to to be
a better person.

523
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,280
I got no problems with that,
right?

524
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,600
Well, OK, I'm just going to to
share a story here real quick to

525
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,200
illustrate this point because I
got some personal experience in

526
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,200
this.
I was living in a ward in Orem,

527
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,040
UT.
Not exactly a hotbed.

528
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,320
Of.
Leftist activities, right?

529
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:21,800
However, by the time I left the
the second to last ward I was in

530
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:28,680
before I left the church, I get
assigned home teachers and one

531
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,760
of them now and I got, I still
have young kids at home, right?

532
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,240
I got 1012 year old kids at
home.

533
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,320
One of them is gay.
OK, again, I would normally

534
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,320
probably not have too much
problem with that, but he came

535
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,760
in and he just started talking
about life with his partner.

536
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:54,760
And I was like, what the hell
No, no, Huh.

537
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:01,200
And I polite, I, I dismissed the
kids and I politely asked them

538
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,880
to leave.
And that Sunday I went to church

539
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,520
and the Bishop kind of got a
little huffy because this got

540
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,800
back to him.
And I said, you know what?

541
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,200
Let's go talk in your office.
And we went in there and I said,

542
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:19,000
look, I got 10 and 12 year old
kids at home and all this is

543
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,880
going to do is confuse them.
Now, what you're allowing this

544
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,760
gentleman to do, I have no
problems with and I have no

545
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,800
problems with with or I
shouldn't say that.

546
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,520
What what you're allowing him to
do, that's between you and him.

547
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,760
I would personally take
exception with a few things,

548
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,280
Right.
If he's going to, if he's going

549
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,120
to church at the same time, he
is actively living with another

550
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,960
man and you've given him a
calling.

551
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,800
Well, yeah, I do kind of have an
issue with that because he is.

552
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,360
He is.
You know, I would have that same

553
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,200
problem if it was a man shaking
up with a woman and he wanted to

554
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,120
put that forward.
That's not what we do.

555
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,320
We get married first, right?
And I tried to lay this right

556
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,400
thing out that that, you know,
hey, just switch the rolls up

557
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:06,720
and just say it's a heterosexual
man just living with a woman or

558
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,560
a man living with two wives.
Are you still going to let him

559
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,880
be a home teacher, take the
sacrament, do all those things?

560
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,240
Well, no.
Well, why not?

561
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,120
Well, because.
And then he got real quiet and

562
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,280
real uncomfortable, right?
But this is what we're up

563
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,240
against, right?
And.

564
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,280
And it's this ambiguous
messaging like this, right, that

565
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,080
kind of sets that because what
does it mean if you identify as

566
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,240
gay?
You can fully participate in the

567
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,160
church, But but does that mean
you can be actively living a

568
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,400
homosexual lifestyle?
It didn't stayed in the church.

569
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,800
It did in this ward, right?
So now I have a conflict, right?

570
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,920
And, and I want to give voice to
this because I get a lot of

571
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,680
emails, right?
And I haven't had a chance to

572
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,720
give voice to this.
If you're someone from the LDS

573
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,400
church who happens to be
listening in a high, high

574
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,080
position, you may want to listen
to what I'm saying because I'm

575
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,880
hearing from your members on
this.

576
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,200
They are confused and they are
nervous and they don't know

577
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,480
what's going on because you
can't get your messaging

578
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,160
together enough to let them know
where it is.

579
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,800
Now, being on the outside
looking in, I understand what

580
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,840
you're doing.
You're playing the long game to

581
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,920
see who's going to come out on
top and that's where you're

582
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,040
going to throw your weight.
But my advice to you, whoever

583
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,680
you are who happens to be
listening up top, and I'm sorry,

584
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,280
I'm going to get a little spicy
here.

585
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:39,240
You need to grow a pair, become
men, and draw a hard line about

586
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,240
where this falls.
Because right now your

587
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,360
congregants are suffering.
And I hear about it and I don't

588
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,560
mind hearing about it.
But understand you are slowly

589
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,800
putting yourself in a place
where the people who make the

590
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,240
church function, they will
leave.

591
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,720
And if if you.
I don't want to see a world

592
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,200
without the LDS church in it, I
still think they're a net

593
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:08,000
positive.
But but you are on dangerous

594
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,120
ground, flirting with things
that quite frankly, are going to

595
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,679
come back to bite you.
I don't care how much you love

596
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:18,560
this, the rattlesnake, go ahead
and press it to your chest and

597
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,400
see what happens.
You might think you're going in

598
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,239
for a hug.
You're going to get bit.

599
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,760
And mark my words, you keep
going down this road and that's

600
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,159
exactly where you're going to
be.

601
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,600
Yeah, I'm going to share another
slide here because this actually

602
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,920
I want to show, I want to share
some responses and I've kind of

603
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,480
censored out some names.
It's social media.

604
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,880
It's all public anyways.
But so I just I I just wanted, I

605
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,920
felt it'd be better to censor
out some of the names of these

606
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,760
some of these comments, but I
just wanted to go over them

607
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,120
because this is this is the
response that that that just to

608
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,840
that, that fair Mormon post that
that we we get what started

609
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,560
firestorm was this account.
And I guess the one that's

610
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,440
public, this is the one that
brought to everybody's attention

611
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,120
was this Kruger Chronicle
account on Twitter and said,

612
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:07,000
Hey, you want LDS fair wants to
know, wants you to know it's

613
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,680
pride month.
May we suggest reading the

614
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:13,040
family proclamation, which yeah,
right.

615
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,640
Why not?
Why not share the Family

616
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,240
proclamation?
For pride month, yeah.

617
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,640
And so we look at some of these
responses and below that

618
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:27,240
somebody says no, they want you
to, they want says no, they want

619
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,160
you to know the church's stance
on things while others celebrate

620
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,480
pride.
Is that wrong?

621
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,080
And then this debate, somebody
else jumps in and says no

622
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,680
mention of the family proc and
that person responds.

623
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,240
And this is a debate going back
and forth.

624
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:45,760
Now quoting the prophets and
scriptures is not enough for

625
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,640
you.
But again, it's ambiguous,

626
00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:50,920
right?
I think it's not enough.

627
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,640
I absolutely think that's not
enough.

628
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,520
Of course, that's not enough,
and so this person responds,

629
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,480
quoting some of the prophets and
scriptures over others is.

630
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,440
Fairpoint.
Yep.

631
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,520
He says tell me specifically
what they said you disagree with

632
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,640
fair starts off with an
acknowledgement of pride month

633
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,480
and uses LGBTQ dog whistles like
a firm.

634
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,720
The ways you can love section is
extremely weak.

635
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:17,880
Makes no mention of affirming
the doctrine of eternal

636
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,400
marriage.
The person it goes on and says

637
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,400
to learn and understand their
perspective leads to Charlie

638
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,720
Bird firesides.
No mention of family proc by the

639
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:29,600
way.
The question is what does it

640
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:34,680
leave out?
And they came back again arguing

641
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,200
saying so they haven't said
anything incorrect, undoctrinal

642
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,160
or against the gospel.
You're just mad they didn't

643
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,920
address it how you wanted them
to.

644
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,480
OK.
And they spawned it.

645
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,840
Yes, that's correct.
I expect opposition to Pride

646
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,880
Month to be more substantiative
and straightforward rather than

647
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,240
promoting a love and listen
framework that leads to the

648
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:55,720
problems and confusion we've
seen over the last few years.

649
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,480
That's exactly what we just
talked about, right?

650
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:06,000
Absolutely, this is where most I
don't know if it's most anymore.

651
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,640
I I need to stop using that
word.

652
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,640
Most of your of the membership
in the LDS church that makes the

653
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:20,760
church run and operate are
feeling the exact same way as a

654
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,280
few of these people that you
just showed screenshots to.

655
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,880
I get the yes, I got the
receipts right, I know exactly

656
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,640
how they feel.
Right, we got a few more here

657
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,360
same stuff though, basically
right here at my fair actually

658
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,080
kind of jumped in though and and
defending themselves in a in a

659
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:48,120
very kind of unflattering way.
And Phares saying, if you

660
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:53,000
haven't seen our original post
that has been picked apart and

661
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,560
scrutinized.
We use the same terminology

662
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:55,760
that's commonly used by the
church.

663
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,000
So again, their defenses, we're
just saying what the church has

664
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,920
said.
That's their that's Phares

665
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,960
defense.
But the conservative Mormons on

666
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:09,320
Twitter or LDS people Latter day
Saints are not very happy about

667
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,440
this at all.
As you can see the person

668
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,040
responds.
Maybe we shouldn't use words

669
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,800
that have been hijacked by those
meaning and whose meaning has

670
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,160
become ambiguous.
Absolutely.

671
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,760
And you know, this whole thing
is insane and so on forced.

672
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,920
I was in so and so's camp.
Let's be gracious.

673
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,000
We're on the same team.
But let me tell you, I'm far

674
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,360
less in that camp today as as
fair blocked them for for

675
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:39,560
disagreeing with them on the
appropriateness of the post and

676
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,680
just get another.
Person was there?

677
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,880
Was there other?
There's a there was more in

678
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:45,400
there.
Yeah.

679
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,120
OK.
I don't have Facebook so I

680
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,520
don't.
I didn't see the whole thing,

681
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,560
but apparently they're using
words like a firm.

682
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,800
OK, well, I was going to ask,
did did the, the, the people who

683
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,960
were critical of the post, did
they say anything in, in your

684
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,040
estimation that would would have
deserved just to shut down the

685
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,760
conversation?
Like, hey, we're not.

686
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,440
Well, they're trying to be
Honestly, a lot of them are just

687
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,440
saying, hey, we love you, fair
Mormon.

688
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,440
We're allies, but we kind of
have an issue with this.

689
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,360
Don't you think that that's a
little bit of a problem that,

690
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,560
you know, you're sending this
really ambiguous message that

691
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:24,440
can clearly be interpreted as
very pro LGBTQIA plus?

692
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,600
Sure.
And Sarah's response is

693
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,320
absolutely not.
And and block and kick and and

694
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,360
kind of throwing tantrums over
it.

695
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,840
Look.
If you're, if, if the the

696
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,040
discussion has remained
relatively civil, albeit

697
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:47,120
vigorous, and you decide to shut
down, I, I hate to break it to

698
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,600
you, you're probably on the
losing end of that thing, right?

699
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,680
If you want to just the critic
and the critic is not doing

700
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:59,640
personal attacks, they're not
being, you know, over the top

701
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,040
with it.
It's a you know all the posts

702
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,080
I've seen so far.
They've been, well, it's been

703
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,360
constructive for the most.
Part right, Right.

704
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,560
Well, look, this guy is so
boisterous and so insensitive

705
00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:14,520
that he's saying.
But let me tell you, I'm far

706
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,360
less in that camp today after
being blocked by them.

707
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:19,360
Right.
I mean, if that if I was

708
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,200
blocked, I'd be like you bleep,
bleep, bleep and he bleed, you

709
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:27,320
know, You know, I mean even
having been blocked, this person

710
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,840
is still showing restraint.
That's the amount of restraint

711
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,720
in my opinion.
Yep, absolutely.

712
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,640
Yeah, this this thing kind of
became a firestorm and I'm glad.

713
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,200
OK.
This seems to be a bit of a, in

714
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,200
my opinion, this is a failure in
church leadership.

715
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,680
The messaging on this is not
clear.

716
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:52,520
And it's opened the door for,
like you said, having it both

717
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,200
ways so that they can you can
interpret it how you like.

718
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,640
If you're pro LGBTQ, you can
interpret it as, yeah, you can,

719
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,400
you can be a practicing
homosexual and go to church and

720
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,640
that's that's no problem.
And you can be fully

721
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,400
participative.
And those who don't believe that

722
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,280
can read it and say, oh, no,
it's just same sex attraction.

723
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,720
It's just for people who are
struggling with those things.

724
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:17,760
Obviously we don't want to
exclude them, right?

725
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,640
And, and it's kind of trying to
have their cake and eat it too.

726
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,600
And I think it's failing.
And I think the reason why

727
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,200
you're seeing it failing is
exactly what you just described

728
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,760
happened with that home teacher.
So I actually had a, a family

729
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,920
member share an experience with
me just earlier this spring

730
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:40,480
where a lesbian couple moved
into their ward and, you know,

731
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,880
OK, lesbian couple, but they're
living together, They're going

732
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:48,320
to church together.
And my sister found a little bit

733
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,480
off putting when, you know,
she's in a relief society and,

734
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,240
you know, the other ones, one of
them's getting the other one a

735
00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:59,880
massage and.
And yeah, a little off putting,

736
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,840
right.
But the real concern kind of

737
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,360
came when she was given an
opportunity.

738
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,280
One of them was given an
opportunity to speak on

739
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,360
covenants in sacrament meeting.
Right.

740
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,160
And she went up to speak on on
covenants and she started off by

741
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,720
talking about how her and her
girlfriend are going to be

742
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:21,040
married.
Here.

743
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:27,400
This spring and then went on to
talk about covenants with God

744
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,160
started she started her talk
with hey, I'm not keeping my

745
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,920
covenants and then gave a talk
on on covenants.

746
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:36,400
And the Bishop didn't shut it
down.

747
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,480
The Bishop didn't say anything.
And my, and you know, my

748
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,120
sister's got children that are
there and she's just sitting

749
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,160
here.
I'm hoping they weren't hoping

750
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:49,720
they're not paying attention
because I get where the Bishop's

751
00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:51,840
coming from.
The Bishop wants to be

752
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,880
inclusive.
He wants to be loving.

753
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,600
He wants to be Christ like here,
right?

754
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,000
But what he's not weighing in is
what this is doing to the

755
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,960
children.
What message does it send to the

756
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,400
children?
When a woman gets up and talks

757
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,320
about how gives a talk on
keeping covenants while she

758
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,600
admits that she's living in a
lesbian relationship and intends

759
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,160
to and intends to continue that
relationship, It kind of, I

760
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,200
would think that it kind of
sends this message that you can

761
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:22,920
keep your covenants and be a
lesbian.

762
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:30,920
It doesn't fit with the temple,
doesn't fit, doesn't fit with

763
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:38,040
with our ideas of, of heaven,
right, right.

764
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,000
It is what it is, what it is,
right?

765
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,880
And I'm not even saying they're
bad people.

766
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,440
I'm just saying no, no, right.
It just doesn't work.

767
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:52,720
No, there's got to be a, a place
at which we understand and and

768
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:54,800
even have a mutual respect,
right?

769
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,960
We we're not looking to deny
your humanity.

770
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,720
We're just saying this is what
we believe.

771
00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:05,040
Don't don't encroach upon that.
Don't Co opt it for your own,

772
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,560
for your own use.
Go start your own church if

773
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,680
that's what you want, if you
think that's good.

774
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,320
There's plenty of them.
Right, right.

775
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:15,520
Even some.
There are plenty.

776
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,560
Of them, right, I mean, you
still want the Book of Mormon

777
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,240
that there's some out there,
right but.

778
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,000
Yeah.
This is and, and it's even hard

779
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,400
for me to blame fair Mormon all
that much, right?

780
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:31,920
Because this is essentially for
look, I've had people from fair

781
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:36,440
Mormon on here who I really
liked and I think they do some

782
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,680
good work, but they're no longer
farms, right.

783
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,520
You remember farms, right?
That was that one was had some.

784
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,640
That was academic and yeah.
That one, that one went for it.

785
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,360
This is the I don't even want to
say it's an offshoot.

786
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,280
I, if I'm not mistaken, I
believe I could be wrong.

787
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,480
I, I need to double check this,
but I do believe that they were

788
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,280
the, the group that came behind
farms, right?

789
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,880
Farms got dismantled.
Bear steps in and takes its

790
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,680
place and.
Wasn't farms part of BYU?

791
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,000
They were.
Yep.

792
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,800
It was actually an official
apologetic arm of the church.

793
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,480
And sense, yes, this is more
unofficial, but there's no doubt

794
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,080
I can see why they're confused,
right?

795
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,320
What?
Well, what are we going to put

796
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:20,920
on here?
Well, we don't know.

797
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,200
I mean, can you make heads or
tails out of this?

798
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,720
Now I don't know.
My parents taught me if you

799
00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:31,280
can't say anything not pro
pride, don't say anything at

800
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,080
all.
Yeah, no, I agree.

801
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,000
I kind of agree.
It's very unforced.

802
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,320
It's not like, but nonetheless I
do.

803
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,680
Yeah, when the church's
messaging, it's so unclear.

804
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,200
So the last one is.
I just want to.

805
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,680
Compare and contrast.
A couple quotes here.

806
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,560
So on the left, we've got Delan
H Hoax.

807
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,560
That's Boyd K Packer, bro.
On the right.

808
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:57,560
On the left is a quote from
Dell.

809
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:58,680
There's two quotes.
Sorry, sorry.

810
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:00,840
I want to compare and contrast
these quotes.

811
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,720
OK, so on the left it says while
we must practice tolerance and

812
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:08,520
respect for others and their
beliefs, we are not required to

813
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,480
respect and tolerate wrong
behavior.

814
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,360
Correct.
Sounds nice.

815
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,960
It sounds nice.
Is it correct?

816
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:22,760
I think there's a lot of
ambiguity there.

817
00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:27,440
OK.
We must practice tolerance and

818
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,840
respect for others.
Yes, and their beliefs.

819
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:40,400
No, Well, no, no, no.
I think, I think I there's.

820
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,560
Yeah.
Yeah, no, I don't have to.

821
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:45,560
I.
Don't have to respect that.

822
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,680
And and can I say this too?
This too, bugs me.

823
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:55,280
If you are so comfortable with
who you are and what your

824
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,040
lifestyle is, why do you need my
approval?

825
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,000
Why do you need approval?
Right.

826
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,000
What?
What is it you're aiming for?

827
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,560
I don't think it's about
approval.

828
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:12,320
Again, I think it's about at
some point the goal is everyone

829
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,800
will bow the knee to this
ideology.

830
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,960
That's what this is.
This isn't, I would like to say

831
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,040
it's not, but I firmly believe
this is an all or nothing kind

832
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,040
of thing with the higher ups of
these organizations right now.

833
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,960
But I think this exactly right
here is the key slip.

834
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,080
Yeah, the bottom part is exactly
correct.

835
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,040
We're not required to respect or
tolerate wrong behavior,

836
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,040
absolutely true.
But saying we have to tolerate

837
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:45,560
and respect beliefs, I think
that idea is what has opened the

838
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,240
door to all of this coming in
this.

839
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,840
It's the, it's the genie out of
the bottle thing here.

840
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:54,080
And it's why things are now so
ambiguous and why it's so

841
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:58,520
confusing.
Compare that to Boyd K Packer.

842
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,840
What he had to say.
He says several publications are

843
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,080
now being circulated about the
church which defend and promote

844
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,200
gay or lesbian conduct.
They rest the scriptures

845
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,360
attempting to prove that these
impulses are inborn, cannot be

846
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,960
overcome and should not be
resisted, and therefore such

847
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,880
conduct has a morality of its
own.

848
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,800
They quote scriptures to justify
perverted acts between

849
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,080
consenting adults.
That same logic would justify

850
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,520
incest or the molesting of
little children of either

851
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,360
gender.
That's from Boyd K Packer.

852
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,760
And I would ask, is Boyd K
Packer respecting that belief?

853
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,920
No, no, no, he's not letting you
have it.

854
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,000
Yeah, he's saying this belief is
incorrect.

855
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,080
You can't just rest the script.
Not all beliefs are equal.

856
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,440
We are all children of God.
And you can have respect for

857
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,040
somebody who believes in
incorrect belief.

858
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,960
You can still respect somebody
like that, right?

859
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,160
Like my me and my dad have
different political leanings,

860
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,960
but I still respect him as my
father, right?

861
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,760
Even though I don't respect some
of his political takes and some

862
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,440
of his political beliefs, but I
can still respect him.

863
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,920
But this idea that you have to
tolerate and respect the

864
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,760
beliefs.
So that's why.

865
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,440
So when the woman comes up in
sacrament and says me and my

866
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,120
lesbian and girlfriend are
getting married this spring and

867
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,480
as a talk in church, why doesn't
the Bishop do anything?

868
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:33,520
Because that's her belief.
It's her belief and he's being

869
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,200
told that he has to tolerate and
respect that.

870
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,320
Right.
And you don't, right?

871
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:41,760
You can step up there and say
something.

872
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,000
The funny thing is I saw the
exact same, almost the exact

873
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:51,720
same story on on Twitter where
faithful LDS guy on Twitter was

874
00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:53,560
posted about fast and testimony
meeting.

875
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:59,880
And he said that a some guy got
up and said some, you know,

876
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:05,680
affirmed his LGBTQ plus pride in
fast and testimony meeting.

877
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,800
And he and he was shocked and he
looked he was visiting this

878
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,920
ward, but he looks over and he
kind of expected the Bishop to

879
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,440
come clarify.
Nothing happened.

880
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:22,080
And well, we can talk.
I don't know if we want to

881
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,840
transition to this right now,
but what I thought was

882
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:31,640
interesting is he, he said that
he felt prompted by the spirit

883
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:36,760
not to get up and reaffirm the
family, so to speak, and just to

884
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,040
watch and see what happens.
And he says nothing.

885
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,040
Nobody ever came up and, and
challenged it at all, really.

886
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,240
And he was saying he was kind of
disappointed in that.

887
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:54,320
And just where?
Where are the men?

888
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,120
Well, that's a good point,
right?

889
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,000
Where are the men?
Because right now I can't find

890
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,720
them.
Well, I shouldn't say that.

891
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,200
That's that's probably too
harsh.

892
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,720
Can't.
Find many of them.

893
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,720
Right, right.
I think I think we better get

894
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:17,920
used to being very uncomfortable
in some some excuse me, I think

895
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,200
we better get real comfortable
with being uncomfortable because

896
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,560
the times are coming that I
don't think we're going to just

897
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:30,800
be able to kind of, you know,
walk this back, so to speak and

898
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,520
and just lay low.
I think those days are over,

899
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:38,000
Justin.
And I think now it is incumbent

900
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,080
upon us that we've got to stand
up like we've never stood up

901
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:46,960
before.
Because I don't think it is an

902
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:51,320
overstatement to say that
Western, the West as we've known

903
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,360
it, not just the West of the
United States or even the West

904
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,240
of the globe, but kind of what
everything's been built on to

905
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:02,520
this point that was good is
being attacked quickly.

906
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,920
And power abhors a vacuum.
And something will step in to

907
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,640
fill that vacuum.
And if we want to say it this,

908
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,520
we, we, we've got to get
comfortable with being

909
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:20,200
uncomfortable and saying things
that are true that may be

910
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:21,800
uncomfortable for other people
to hear.

911
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,440
Hey, I I think you're right.
In fact, there's some scriptures

912
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,440
on this topic that I kind of
wanted to delve into, if you

913
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,200
don't mind.
I know this isn't a talk but I

914
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,760
just, I don't know.
I like sharing scriptures.

915
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,400
Absolutely.
And because I think that the

916
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:45,800
Scriptures can provide context.
And so the question here's the

917
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,960
really the question is, is what
should we do about this?

918
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,000
Should we affirm?
No.

919
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:57,080
Should we create safe spaces for
LGBTQI Plus?

920
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,280
No.
I mean, I think we should create

921
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,480
safe places.
What is a safe place though?

922
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:06,880
Do we really understand what
defines people are saying?

923
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,560
Right.
Let's define safety, right?

924
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:16,280
Safety is you're probably not
going to get beat up or shot or

925
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,240
any of those other things.
If you're looking for a place

926
00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:25,200
where your ideas can't be
challenged, I have a problem

927
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,880
with that.
I think all ideas deserve to be

928
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,040
challenged, right?
Look, you and I just got off a

929
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,080
class where we talked about, you
know what?

930
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,680
Sometimes there's a blessing
within a faith crisis if you

931
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,160
stick it out because you get the
truth through it, right?

932
00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:45,920
And so this idea that there's a
safe space and again, not bodily

933
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:50,400
safety, a safety where you can
just spout your ideas with no

934
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,640
pushback, I abhor that kind of
safe space.

935
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:59,000
That is a place that offers no
growth, that leaves you in the

936
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,960
same horrible condition that you
were found.

937
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,920
Have you ever grown without some
sort of discomfort, Justin?

938
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,600
Never, never.
And here's the thing right The

939
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,320
Scriptures teach us that
wickedness never was happiness.

940
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:18,320
Right.
The people who are suffering

941
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:24,800
under these sins aren't going to
find safety while they're

942
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,960
holding on to those sins,
because those sins are what is

943
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,960
what's harming them.
Right.

944
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,880
Those behaviors are what's
harming them, and if we want to

945
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,720
have compassion, if we want to
have real compassion, we need to

946
00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:39,160
be honest.
Yeah.

947
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,760
If you want to be compassionate.
To.

948
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:47,040
Your friend or family that are
struggling with this, you can be

949
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,240
compassionate and honest at the
same time.

950
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,960
Those aren't mutually exclusive.
Absolutely.

951
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:58,640
Just the same way if, if, if any
of my children turn out to

952
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,360
struggle with this, I would talk
to them honestly about it

953
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,560
because that's the safe space.
The safe space for them is is

954
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,360
you know, you don't let babies
play with knives either.

955
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,840
Why?
But shouldn't we have a safe

956
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,600
space for babies that want to
play with knives?

957
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,560
No.
No, these things are dangerous,

958
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,560
right?
And they're dangerous to the

959
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,760
people who are, who are
experimenting or playing around

960
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,240
with them.
And if we really care about

961
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:32,920
them, we will want to call them
to repentance, not with

962
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,280
judgement and criticism or
hypocrisy, right?

963
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,880
Right, but.
With sincere love and concern

964
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,520
for their well-being and their
welfare, their happiness.

965
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:44,520
Absolutely.
And if you don't?

966
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,000
Have a testimony.
This is honestly what I think is

967
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,120
going on.
I think we're seeing a huge lack

968
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,880
of testimony.
I think so.

969
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,560
If you if you actually have a
testimony that the wages of sin

970
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:58,400
are death, that that's the
consequence is spiritual death,

971
00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:02,680
that's a that's a terrible thing
to happen to somebody I care

972
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:03,840
about.
I am pro-life.

973
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,200
That means I'm against abortion,
but that means I'm also against

974
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,000
people killing themselves
spiritually.

975
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:11,880
Through.
Whatever means, through

976
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:18,400
alcoholism, through adultery, or
through these pride related

977
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,600
sins, these things all destroy
life's.

978
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,840
They destroy people.
They're destroying sons and

979
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,640
daughters of God.
And how are we going to help

980
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,400
these people if we're too busy
affirming them?

981
00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:39,720
You know, this is where I feel
like sometimes a good analogy

982
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:43,000
isn't at play here, right?
Needs needs to be used.

983
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:48,720
If I go to the doctor and I got
cancer, I want the doctor to be

984
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:53,200
like, bro, you got cancer and
it's going to suck and you're

985
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,640
going to have to go through a
whole bunch of stuff to get

986
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,560
better, but we can make you
better, but it's going to suck

987
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,680
for a while.
That's the doctor I want.

988
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:05,280
The doctor I don't want is the
one where I walk in, I got

989
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,840
cancer and he goes, gosh, I
don't know if I want to give him

990
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,120
these results.
This is going to ruin his day,

991
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,360
probably going to ruin his
month.

992
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,560
Is, is that helpful?
Right.

993
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,920
Look, sometimes you need a
physician to give you the tough

994
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:22,240
news so you can know what to do
next to get healthy.

995
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:32,680
And I'm sorry in in my ideology,
I don't think you can be totally

996
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,880
spiritually healthy living in
that lifestyle.

997
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,200
There's just no way around it.
You.

998
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,440
Know.
So this is a little personal and

999
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,760
I'm not going to go into all the
details, but I always believed

1000
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,200
that I had a, a good marriage.
I always believed that my

1001
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:49,240
marriage.
Was just.

1002
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,800
Fantastic.
Me and my wife, we almost never

1003
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,200
fought.
And I thought, you know, this is

1004
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,520
something good.
Got this down, got this marriage

1005
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:05,320
thing down.
And then one day I asked the

1006
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:11,760
Lord to show me my weaknesses
and I saw things about my

1007
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,120
behaviour in my marriage that
made me deeply ashamed.

1008
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,760
These aren't gross things, This
I'm not.

1009
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:20,320
I'm not committing adultery on
the side.

1010
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,200
These would seem like small
things, but for me they were

1011
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:27,040
very, very cutting because these
were my idols.

1012
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:33,080
These were my, these were my
weaknesses that I had hidden and

1013
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,880
buried and, and was, and I was
ignoring them.

1014
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,800
And the Lord showed me very
clearly and pointed out, there's

1015
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,520
this, look at that, look at
that, look at that, look at

1016
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,760
that, look at that.
And I was like stop please.

1017
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:46,880
Never mind, I don't want to.
Hear it.

1018
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,200
After all, it was awful.
It was one of the most awful

1019
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:54,000
experiences in my life because
that was a sacred cow to me,

1020
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,680
that I had a good marriage, that
I was a good husband, and that I

1021
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,360
had built this fantastic
marriage.

1022
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:03,840
And then the Lord showed me so
far, I am from the ideal right

1023
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,400
before I am from my, from my own
desires for an ideal.

1024
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:13,000
And that gap hurt.
It hurt, but I'm glad I

1025
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,160
experienced it.
And I'm.

1026
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,680
I have yet to get this figured
out but I am working on it

1027
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:18,840
right?
Right.

1028
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:27,040
And I am much happier, actually
happier knowing that hey, I'm

1029
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,720
not there yet, but at least I
know that I've got work to do

1030
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:31,960
then.
I was when I thought that

1031
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,920
everything was totally OK and
that there were no problems,

1032
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,040
that I had a perfect marriage,
I'm the perfect husband.

1033
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:45,880
And so, yeah, so I'm not being
hypocritical when I say this.

1034
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:49,320
I I've experienced my own
chastisements before the Lord

1035
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:54,520
and had been called to the floor
on my own desire to hide my own

1036
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,240
sins.
The things that I that I were

1037
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:01,040
that I was doing and that I do
still sometimes that aren't

1038
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:07,760
ideal.
And I want to do better because

1039
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,280
I want to have an eternal
marriage.

1040
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:11,680
I want to have an eternal
family.

1041
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:16,800
I want to I want to return with
all of my children and my wife.

1042
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:18,800
Right.
Back to God.

1043
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:26,120
And how can I do that?
If I'm being dragged down by

1044
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,480
something that's that's actually
creating separation there, If

1045
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,440
there's if there's something
there I want to know, I'd rather

1046
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,000
know about it, even if it hurts.
And I'd and.

1047
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,440
I'd much more respect somebody
who would call me on that kind

1048
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,440
of thing then I would that
somebody could be like, ah,

1049
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,240
that's not a big deal, don't
worry about it.

1050
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,160
Right.
I don't know where you're at,

1051
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,360
but for me that is a big deal.
Yeah.

1052
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,440
And I, I, I respect that more
myself.

1053
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:53,680
So I'm not being hypocritical
when I'm saying, hey, if we care

1054
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,840
about our brothers and sisters
that are struggling with this,

1055
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,720
we need to be honest about it.
So, but with that right, do we

1056
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:05,200
have an obligation or duty to be
involved in this at all?

1057
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,400
Or.
Just protect your own family,

1058
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,640
make sure that they're safe.
We shouldn't be on Twitter

1059
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,240
talking about this.
There's no point in you're just

1060
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:15,960
stirring the pot.
You're creating contention

1061
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:17,800
maybe, right.
I've I've seen some arguments

1062
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,480
along these lines.
And so I wanted to share some

1063
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,320
scriptures.
The first one here is out of

1064
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,160
Mosiah in the Book of Mormon,
Mosiah chapter 29.

1065
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:32,520
And this is in reference to
basically the shift of the

1066
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:36,320
Nephite government from the
monarchy to this kind of the

1067
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,240
brain of judges.
Right, right.

1068
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:43,840
Yep.
And So what we've got is.

1069
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:49,560
Shoot, I've.
Got multiple markets in here.

1070
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:50,520
I think this is the one I'm
sharing.

1071
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,560
OK, so King Mosey is explaining
what's going on here.

1072
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,000
And he says, for behold, I
saying to you, the sins of many

1073
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,360
people have been caused by the
iniquities of their kings.

1074
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,720
Therefore their iniquities are
answered upon the heads of their

1075
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,840
kings.
So he's saying under a monarchy,

1076
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:08,720
you know, if the people are
doing wrong stuff, that's kind

1077
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,200
of on the king.
There's a there's a delegated

1078
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,480
kind of responsibility there.
Right.

1079
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:19,080
And now I desire that this
inequality should be no more in

1080
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,200
this land, especially among my
people.

1081
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,520
But I desire that the land be a
that this land be a land of

1082
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:26,600
liberty.
And every man may enjoy his

1083
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,160
rights and privileges alike so
long as the Lord sees that, that

1084
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:30,600
we may live and inherit the
land.

1085
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,080
Yeah, even as long as any of our
posterity remains upon the face

1086
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:39,200
of this land.
So Mosiah is saying, hey, I

1087
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,400
think that that's not an ideal
situation.

1088
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:46,880
I think that people should have
individual accountability rather

1089
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:50,480
than this delegated kingly
responsibility.

1090
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,520
And many more things did Mosiah
write into them, unfolding into

1091
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,960
them all the trials and troubles
of a righteous king, all the

1092
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,200
travails of soul for their
people, and also the murmurings

1093
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,080
of the people in the king.
And he explained it all unto

1094
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:03,360
them.
And he told them that these

1095
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:07,200
things ought not to be, but that
the burden should come upon all

1096
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,480
the people, that every man might
bear his part.

1097
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:19,560
So if we were in living in under
a monarchy right now, there

1098
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,960
might be a case to say, Hey,
this isn't something that we

1099
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,160
need to be involved with.
Just keep your head down.

1100
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:29,680
You don't have to participate.
But we live in a land of

1101
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:31,920
freedom.
But with that freedom comes a

1102
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:35,920
responsibility.
And we all have an equal share

1103
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,720
of that responsibility that we
that this burden that we need to

1104
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,760
need to carry.
And so with, with great power

1105
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:49,640
comes great responsibility.
And it came to pass.

1106
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,840
And this is Jimmy now. 37 Now it
came to pass that after King

1107
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,480
Mosiah had sent these things
forth among the people, they

1108
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:56,920
were convinced of the truth of
his words.

1109
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,040
Therefore they relinquished
their desires for a king and

1110
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,240
became exceedingly anguished,
anxious that every man should

1111
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,400
have an equal chance throughout
all the land.

1112
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,880
Yeah, and every man expressed A
willingness to answer for his

1113
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:13,400
own sins.
And so living here in this land

1114
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:17,520
of freedom, in America at least,
I think that we have a civic

1115
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:22,400
responsibility to stand up
against this kind of thing.

1116
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:26,240
This isn't somebody else's job
in the Democratic Republic like

1117
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,160
we live in.
This is the people's job.

1118
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:32,120
Prior to that, we're told that
if the time comes and the voice

1119
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,920
of the people doth choose
iniquity, that is the time that

1120
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:36,640
the judgments of God will come
upon you.

1121
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,360
Yeah.
Then is the time that he will

1122
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,720
visit you with great
destruction, even as he has

1123
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:46,080
hitherto visited this land.
If we don't make a stand as a

1124
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:51,000
people against this, then God's
judgments come upon all of us.

1125
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,680
There's no putting your head
down.

1126
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,880
And I'm just going to wait this
out with my family.

1127
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,320
We're just going to hunker down.
We're going to wait out the

1128
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,360
storm.
That's not the the

1129
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,360
responsibility we have living as
as free men and women in a

1130
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,000
Freeland.
We have a duty and obligation to

1131
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:13,560
proclaim the truth, to speak the
truth, and to encourage our

1132
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:18,360
brothers and sisters, fellow
citizens who live according to

1133
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:23,040
truth.
Because if not, then by AB, just

1134
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,360
like a king who abdicates his
responsibility has the sins of

1135
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,000
his people come upon him.
That happens.

1136
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:32,080
That can happen with us too.
Earlier in the Book of Mormon we

1137
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:36,320
had Jacob talking about this how
he diligently taught his people

1138
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:41,000
so that this blood and sins of
them would come upon him and

1139
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,160
stay in his own garments.
Right.

1140
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,680
At the very least, if not as
citizens, as priesthood holders,

1141
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:52,120
we men have an obligation to God
to stand for what's right and

1142
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:55,160
true.
That doesn't mean that we have

1143
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:58,680
to.
And So what does that mean?

1144
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:05,120
Well, you mean as far as what it
looks like in practical

1145
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,040
application.
Yeah.

1146
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:12,000
I think as you stand your
ground, right, you don't, if you

1147
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,800
have a conviction that something
is either right or wrong, you

1148
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:20,560
don't sit down on that, right?
That's not that's not our role,

1149
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,680
right?
And and this ties in with with

1150
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:28,720
that parable of the salt with
the Savior, right, or the light

1151
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:33,920
on the hill, right?
We are not meant to just be

1152
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:35,560
quiet.
Keep your head down.

1153
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:41,240
Don't say anything, be still.
No, the Commission is your

1154
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,560
change agents within the
society.

1155
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:50,040
If you're picking up
discipleship, understand that

1156
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,280
comes with a responsibility to
let that light shine, to be that

1157
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:58,400
city on the hill.
Otherwise, you're good for

1158
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,520
nothing.
That's not my words, That's the

1159
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:03,840
Savior's right.
Salt is a preservative.

1160
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:09,280
It also enhances flavor.
If we're not doing those things,

1161
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,560
we're, we're, we're not being
disciples.

1162
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,640
I, I think it is that simple.
I think it is that clear cut.

1163
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:22,800
And that's not my line.
That's the savior's line that he

1164
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,760
draws in the New Testament as
well as the Book of Mormon in

1165
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:29,040
3rd Nephi.
Well.

1166
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:32,960
You're not saying we need to, we
need to get up in these people's

1167
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:37,720
faces and, and, and get signs
and, and protest in front of

1168
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:42,000
their houses.
And but there's things that we

1169
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,360
can do absolutely.
For example, if you're in fast

1170
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,920
and testimony meeting, you can,
you can get up and bury your

1171
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:53,360
testimony about eternal family
and the importance of, of the

1172
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:58,760
eternal nature of, of our sex
and those roles and those

1173
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:00,360
responsibilities that come with
them.

1174
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,040
And how beautiful that is, that
we're made in the image of God

1175
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:07,280
as man and woman, which means we
don't have, we don't have a

1176
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,520
heavenly Father and a heavenly
other Father.

1177
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,480
Right, right, right.
Right.

1178
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:14,440
No, no.
It's a Heavenly Mother and a

1179
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,720
Heavenly Father.
Right.

1180
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,800
And these things are important
for a for our eternal, our

1181
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,800
eternal destiny depends on these
things.

1182
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:28,520
Right.
And so we shouldn't really, we

1183
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:29,920
don't have to be aggressive with
people.

1184
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:31,080
We don't have to get in their
face.

1185
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:33,000
We don't even have to run for
school board.

1186
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:40,120
But you can speak out in defense
of of your truth, of God's

1187
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,920
truth, of the truth of the
restoration.

1188
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,479
And if that conflicts with
somebody else's, their personal

1189
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:53,640
truth and that offends them,
pray for them, absolutely.

1190
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,439
But better, better to speak the
truth and pray for them than to

1191
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:01,240
lie and to let that thing and,
and to let that continue within

1192
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,640
their own lives, let alone
permeate into the culture.

1193
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:09,680
So another kind of concern about
this is you might think that,

1194
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:15,600
well, it's a losing game.
This is another spot where I

1195
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,040
kind of take issue with, again,
a bit of failure of leadership

1196
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:25,000
with the church because of the
great compromise that was made

1197
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,880
in Utah specifically, right?
The great political compromise.

1198
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,359
And we started talking about
that a little bit earlier.

1199
01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:37,600
But basically what happened was
the church backed the bill to

1200
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,800
give protections.
And that's if you can't see, if

1201
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:43,439
you don't have video, that's my
my air.

1202
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,600
Quotes Air.
Quotes, yes.

1203
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:50,720
That's what those are my air
quotes protections for, for

1204
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:56,200
gays, lesbians and these people.
And the compromise was if the

1205
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:58,800
church would back that, then
they wouldn't push for

1206
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:02,520
controlling the church and
forcing this ideal ideology onto

1207
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:06,480
the church.
And, and I get that it's really

1208
01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:15,280
important to preserve the
church's autonomy, but more

1209
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,720
important than preserving the
church's autonomy is, is

1210
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:21,200
preserving the doctrine.
There's no point in having a

1211
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:28,560
church that is free to preach
Baal and Jezebel and Moloch but

1212
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:31,800
isn't allowed to preach Christ.
But at least we got a church.

1213
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:34,960
Do you know what that compromise
was?

1214
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:39,520
I won't be.
I won't be able to prove it

1215
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:43,520
because I don't have the
receipts on this, but something

1216
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,200
tells me it was very never
Neville Chamberlain.

1217
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:50,600
I think they they thought we
will now have peace in our time,

1218
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,680
right.
For those of you not familiar

1219
01:10:54,680 --> 01:11:00,200
with Neville Chamberlain, he was
the he was the Prime Minister of

1220
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:04,960
Britain during when Hitler's
like making end roads into the

1221
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,920
into the rest of Europe, right?
He's Winston.

1222
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,120
Churchill.
What's that?

1223
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:12,120
I thought it was Winston
Churchill.

1224
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:16,240
He comes later once once he has
to come clean up a mess.

1225
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,120
Yeah, haven't I heard of this
Neville guy?

1226
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:23,000
Now, this is interesting, right?
And I'm glad you actually

1227
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,800
brought this up.
I wasn't planning on bringing

1228
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,200
this up, but this is an
interesting lesson, and I think

1229
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:30,680
it's got some comparisons.
Do you know where Churchill is

1230
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:35,720
during Neville Chamberlain's
kind of administration?

1231
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:38,240
I know.
Where's?

1232
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:38,880
Where's?
Churchill.

1233
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,000
He's a pariah in his own
country.

1234
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:46,920
A pariah he has not looked at
favorably.

1235
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:54,640
He's looked as as a failure
because of his time as the as in

1236
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,800
in the military, a failure over
in India.

1237
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:04,040
I mean, he is not well liked by
the the establishment, but

1238
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:06,920
Neville, Neville Chamberlain,
he's the Prime Minister before

1239
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:11,000
Churchill and Hitler's now
making end roads into Europe.

1240
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:14,640
He's taken over Poland.
I don't know if he had Poland

1241
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,240
yet, but he was.
It was either the hinterland or

1242
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:17,960
something.
He was.

1243
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:23,080
He was on the conquest.
Neville Chamberlain says I'm

1244
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:24,440
just going to go talk to the
man.

1245
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:27,480
So he does.
He gets on a plane, he goes to

1246
01:12:27,480 --> 01:12:29,920
Germany.
They talk things out.

1247
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,360
He comes back and he says, hey,
you know what?

1248
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:35,440
Hitler said he wasn't going to
come after us.

1249
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,520
So we're OK, He said.
He said we're good.

1250
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:42,240
We're going to have peace in our
time, Did ya?

1251
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:44,600
How did that?
Turn out, huh?

1252
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:50,440
Did ya?
Then Winston Churchill's message

1253
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:55,600
gets real popular, right when
you can see battle is coming and

1254
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:57,240
they're like, yeah, give me that
dude.

1255
01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:00,040
Because he's at least he at
least knows what time it is.

1256
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:06,480
That compromise that was very
Neville Chamberlain.

1257
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:10,440
We will have peace in our time
and again, Well, meaning, I'm

1258
01:13:10,440 --> 01:13:15,840
not saying that it was it would
had any ill intent, but you got

1259
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:16,960
to know the game you're
planning.

1260
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,080
You got to know who you're
playing against and you got to

1261
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:23,320
do your homework or else you
wind up as Neville Chamberlain

1262
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:28,040
or what we see in the LDS church
right now, right?

1263
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:34,600
And unfortunately with that
compromise, even though nothing

1264
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:39,400
happened in a vacuum, right?
And everybody's aware of that at

1265
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,080
this point, we all know about
what happened there with the

1266
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:45,360
church.
And the message is, is that the

1267
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:49,720
message to the members that
compromise made was for one

1268
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:53,200
thing, hey, we're kind of
selling you out because we're

1269
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:57,400
more important.
But beyond that, it's also we

1270
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:00,440
couldn't, we can't win this.
We can't win.

1271
01:14:00,440 --> 01:14:04,720
We give up, we surrender, we're
going to, we're going to sign

1272
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:09,880
this peace, peace treaty that we
all know is not really a peace

1273
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,640
treaty because we can't win
this.

1274
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:18,920
And it's very demoralizing.
It's incredibly demoral

1275
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:23,800
demoralizing.
And I think it leads to a lot of

1276
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:26,520
our brothers and sisters in the
LDS church to essentially being

1277
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,720
black pilled on this issue.
If the church isn't willing to

1278
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:37,320
stand up and fight for the
truth, for our own beliefs, for

1279
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:41,800
our theology, if the church
isn't willing to defend us, the

1280
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:48,800
members on that, then do what?
Do we defend it?

1281
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:52,480
Do we or do we just follow the
church and, you know, maybe

1282
01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:53,920
hunker down.
The end times are coming.

1283
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:58,800
It'll blow over.
It'll blow over.

1284
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:06,800
I mean, there's a, there's a
sentiment I see growing in the

1285
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:10,480
LDS church, unfortunately, of,
of a lot of black pill with a

1286
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:14,560
lot of these cultural issues
that I think are, are are

1287
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:18,760
actually crucial because these
are the battles that these are

1288
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:23,160
the battles of our time.
We were born in this day and age

1289
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:31,720
to fight these battles and to
walk out because you're black

1290
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:35,920
billed, because you think we
can't win, to not even fight,

1291
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,600
that's a tragedy.
That's a tragedy.

1292
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:42,680
And here's the thing,
ultimately, the way the world is

1293
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:46,960
going, I completely agree we
can't win this long term.

1294
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:48,520
I think we're going to lose this
war.

1295
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:52,400
I think we're going to need
God's direct divine intervention

1296
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:58,200
to save us.
But even if that is true, what

1297
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:02,760
can we do in the meantime?
Does that excuse us from making

1298
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:10,000
a stand or making trying to make
a difference?

1299
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,600
Do you find yourself missing
having conversations with people

1300
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:15,960
who believe as you do?
Maybe because you live in an

1301
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:18,600
area where there's not a whole
lot of Orthodox Mormons running

1302
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:20,880
around?
Or maybe you're an active member

1303
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:24,160
of the LDS church or maybe even
a Never Mormon, but you're

1304
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:26,040
really curious about what the
faith teaches.

1305
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:28,960
Well, I have something here for
you today that you might like.

1306
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:32,400
Now, every Thursday night at
7:00 PM Central, Taylor Smith

1307
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:35,680
teaches a class on gospel
fundamentals from a very

1308
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:38,520
orthodox point of view.
He will cover everything from

1309
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,120
the nature of God, some of the
deeper doctrines of the faith.

1310
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:43,960
Now to join the class, all you
got to do is click the link in

1311
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:47,440
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1312
01:16:47,440 --> 01:16:51,000
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It's an easy place where you can

1313
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:52,880
be as open or private as you
want.

1314
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,760
It's all up to you.
Again, all you got to do is on

1315
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,400
Thursday night.
Hit that link in this episode,

1316
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,920
show notes and you can log on to
the Gospel Fundamentals class

1317
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:04,480
taught by Taylor Smith.
Thanks and I hope to see you

1318
01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:06,400
there.
And this is this.

1319
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:10,760
This has been the most on my
mind actually with a lot of what

1320
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:12,960
I'm seeing, because I see a
split.

1321
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:16,320
I see certain groups like in
that chat that you saw up above,

1322
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,280
you have the one, the one person
who's saying, Hey, this is this

1323
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:21,080
is kind of a problem.
And they have the other guy.

1324
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:22,880
What's the problem?
What's the problem here?

1325
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,360
Why get why?
Why stir this pot up?

1326
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:29,200
Why get in this fight since we
should just stay out of this

1327
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:33,480
stuff?
And I don't think we understand

1328
01:17:33,480 --> 01:17:37,520
the consequences of, of, of
staying out for one thing,

1329
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:42,600
because like you were saying
with Hitler, the the end game,

1330
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:47,040
the end game of all this LGBTQ
stuff is anti human.

1331
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:51,400
Yeah.
It it really is it, it's anti

1332
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:55,840
human.
If they have their way then the

1333
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:59,920
earth becomes desolate.
There will be no more children.

1334
01:18:00,480 --> 01:18:03,080
Right.
The human, the human race will

1335
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:06,840
would cease to exist.
Right.

1336
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:12,760
And there's things that we can
do to stand up for that.

1337
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:17,000
And so this is just a reference
just to call out the black pill

1338
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:23,120
Doctrine Covenants, Section 101.
And this is in response to the

1339
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:25,040
Saints being persecuted in
Missouri.

1340
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:27,680
They've been, they've been
killed, they've been robbed,

1341
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:29,920
they've had all this.
These terrible things have

1342
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:33,200
happened to them.
And we all know how that turned

1343
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:35,880
out, right?
We won Missouri, right?

1344
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:41,120
I'm head, I'm heading up to Zion
tomorrow to no, it's, it's

1345
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:42,400
Springfield.
It's not Zion.

1346
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:46,840
And and we didn't win.
We got kicked out.

1347
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:51,080
Yep.
But none the less, this is a

1348
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:55,480
revelation from the Lord section
one O 1 starting in verse 76.

1349
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:57,360
And it's just some of it.
The whole section's great.

1350
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:01,000
The Lord says again.
I say unto you, Those who have

1351
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:04,080
been scattered by their enemies,
it is my will that they should

1352
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:09,640
continue to importune for
redress and redemption by the

1353
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:13,400
hands of those who are placed as
rulers and are in authority over

1354
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:17,680
you.
According to the laws and

1355
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,520
constitution of the people which
I have suffered to be

1356
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:23,760
established and should be
maintained for the rights and

1357
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,760
protection of all flesh,
according to just and holy

1358
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:30,080
principles.
That every man may act in

1359
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:32,440
doctrine and principle
pertaining to futurity.

1360
01:19:32,440 --> 01:19:35,680
According to the moral agency
which I had given unto him.

1361
01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:39,200
That every man may be
accountable for his own sins of

1362
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:41,240
the day of judgement.
That sounds really familiar,

1363
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:42,600
doesn't it?
Sure does.

1364
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:49,400
Now I'm jumping down to 81.
Now on to what shall I like in

1365
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:51,360
the children of Zion?
I will like in the month of the

1366
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:53,280
parable of the woman and the
unjust Judge.

1367
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:56,240
For men ought always to pray and
not to faint.

1368
01:19:56,240 --> 01:20:00,000
Which saith there was in a city
a judge which feared not God,

1369
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,800
and neither regarded man.
And there was a widow in that

1370
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:04,320
city.
And she came unto him, saying,

1371
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:07,760
Avenge me of mine adversary.
And he would not for a while.

1372
01:20:08,440 --> 01:20:11,280
But there afterwards he said
within himself, Though I fear

1373
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:14,960
not God, nor regard man, yet
because this widow troubleth me,

1374
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:19,080
I will avenge her, lest by her
continual coming she weary me.

1375
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:21,800
Thus I will liken the children
of Zion.

1376
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:26,160
Let them importune at the feet
of the Judge.

1377
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,920
And if he heed them not, let
them importune at the feet of

1378
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,920
the governor.
And if the Governor heed them

1379
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:36,240
not, let them importune at the
feet of the President.

1380
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:41,280
And if the President heed them
not, then will I the Lord, arise

1381
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:45,760
and come forth out of his hiding
place, in his fury, and in his

1382
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:49,320
fury vex the nation.
And in his hot displeasure, and

1383
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:53,200
in his fierce anger, at this
time we'll cut off those wicked,

1384
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:55,960
unfaithful, and unjust stewards,
and appoint unto them their

1385
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:57,920
portion among hypocrites and
unbelievers.

1386
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:03,080
So when does the Lord come and
save us?

1387
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:06,400
After we've exhausted all other
efforts.

1388
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:09,280
All other efforts, right?
Yep.

1389
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:15,840
So is hunkering down and not
seeking redress or in this case,

1390
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:20,840
not seeking to write this, this
poisonous cancer that that

1391
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:23,520
spreads through our our country
all the time, but especially in

1392
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:28,160
June.
Is is the Lord going to come

1393
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:31,520
save us and our families if, if,
if we don't make a stand, if we

1394
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:35,160
don't exercise our own civil
duties and obligations here?

1395
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:46,240
No, no, the the again, going
back into history, it's not

1396
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:52,000
until the founders have
exhausted all other efforts that

1397
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,200
the Declaration of Independence
comes forward.

1398
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,120
None, right?
It doesn't come forward.

1399
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,120
It wasn't just a few years,
Justin.

1400
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:06,760
It was decades that they were
fighting this battle through the

1401
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:11,800
appointed channels before they
called upon God for deliverance.

1402
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:16,560
And that came the way it did.
It didn't.

1403
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:20,240
Start with Ron T in the harbor.
No, no, no, that was towards the

1404
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:21,680
end.
That was towards the end.

1405
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:27,440
And so again, I'm not saying we
need a revolution.

1406
01:22:27,440 --> 01:22:31,720
We do not need a revolution.
What we need is for good men to

1407
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:36,160
stand up and just just say
you're you're not going any

1408
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:38,000
further.
This is the line in the sand.

1409
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:41,480
This is where it stops.
We can even be cool.

1410
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:45,400
You can come over for a BBQ, but
maybe we just don't worship

1411
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:49,920
together because we don't agree,
dude, we don't see, look, we

1412
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:54,960
don't see Catholics coming to
the LDS church going you guys or

1413
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:56,880
Mormonism saying you guys swear
papal.

1414
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:00,720
You know, loyalty, right?
No, there's a mutual

1415
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:02,400
understanding.
There's some respect.

1416
01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:04,760
You know what, we can even work
together on a few things.

1417
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:12,800
But but we hold our theology
dear, right?

1418
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:16,600
It's.
True or it's not true, Right?

1419
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:19,840
Right.
Do we really believe it or not?

1420
01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:21,960
Yes.
Are we going to let these people

1421
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:24,720
take it from our children?
Absolutely.

1422
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:29,880
And that's what's at stake.
It is, that's the thing, right?

1423
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:32,920
You might.
You yourself might be grounded

1424
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:36,440
in your faith and your theology
and your belief.

1425
01:23:36,440 --> 01:23:39,320
You've got it figured out.
You're not going to be swayed.

1426
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:42,840
Doesn't matter how many lesbians
give talks or if they bring them

1427
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:45,360
into the temple or if they give
talks in General Conference.

1428
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,720
You, you know what's up.
OK, great.

1429
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,520
What about your?
Children absolutely are.

1430
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,160
Your children going to the
public school.

1431
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:56,480
Because here's the thing, these
kids are getting it all day in

1432
01:23:56,480 --> 01:23:58,200
public school.
They're getting it all day in

1433
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,080
social media.
They're getting it in their

1434
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:01,920
video games.
Yeah.

1435
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:07,760
And then they go to church and
they're getting it there too.

1436
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:10,320
What do you think's going to
happen to your children?

1437
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,360
Absolutely.
Do you want your children to be

1438
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:16,760
with you in the eternities?
Do you want them to be to to be

1439
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:18,480
a part of your eternal family or
not?

1440
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,520
Because if you want them to be a
part of it, we have to make a

1441
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:24,200
stand on this.
Absolutely.

1442
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:28,920
Absolutely.
And when we see someone stand up

1443
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,600
and, and this is something else
I want to say, when you see

1444
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:37,160
someone else stand up, get
behind them, support them like

1445
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:42,080
they supported Moses's arms
during that battle, right?

1446
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:45,280
You remember the story?
As long as Moses's arms were

1447
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:49,360
raised, they were doing OK.
The arms fell.

1448
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:52,400
They were done.
Well, sometimes we have to go

1449
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:55,400
hold the arms of the folks who
are fighting the battle.

1450
01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:58,800
Right.
Look, I'm just going to call a

1451
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:01,560
spade a spade.
A few weeks ago I released the

1452
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:07,400
episode with with April to
Spain, and I'm going to ask a

1453
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:10,320
real pointed question, which was
where the hell was the church?

1454
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:13,640
Where?
Was part of it?

1455
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:17,160
Was it her local ward in on it?
Yes, that's.

1456
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:18,880
Not the woman suing her from her
ward.

1457
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,360
I don't know if if that woman's
a Mormon or not.

1458
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:23,920
I'm not going to, OK.
Maybe not.

1459
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:28,840
Speculate on that.
However, regardless where should

1460
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:32,520
have been the one place that she
could have went, her and her

1461
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:38,160
family, to not just have a
sympathetic ear, but to be

1462
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:40,960
recharged and and ready to go
fight that battle again.

1463
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:42,640
It was church.
Right it.

1464
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:44,600
Was church, It was.
The oh, you're, you're going to

1465
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:46,360
hang the proclamation.
We'll hang it too.

1466
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,240
It was the place.
Why didn't the war gather around

1467
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:52,640
in solidarity?
Yes, it was the place they wrote

1468
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:56,360
the document that is known as
the Proclamation on the family.

1469
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:01,400
Nothing.
Crickets, crickets.

1470
01:26:01,480 --> 01:26:06,880
And and look, the sad truth is a
lot of this is happening in the

1471
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:10,280
church now because of a lack of
strong leadership.

1472
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:12,240
There's no way around it.
I don't know what else you want

1473
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:17,080
me to call it.
It's it's weak leadership that

1474
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:21,080
has got them to this point.
I mean if there is.

1475
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:23,520
What do you do?
So what can you do about that?

1476
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:27,800
Well, I if you're if you're a
member, what can you do?

1477
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:31,600
About that, I got a few ideas,
but they're uncomfortable.

1478
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:38,000
One is you better get used.
You better start thinking about

1479
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,680
things a little bit differently,
right?

1480
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:45,280
Just like you were saying,
Justin, we probably won't win

1481
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:48,480
this the way we think we're
going to win this, right?

1482
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:51,800
I do think in the end, all
things are made right because I

1483
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:54,840
believe in the atonement.
I believe in, in Jesus's saving

1484
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:58,240
mission, both the first and
second time he comes, right?

1485
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:04,120
But that doesn't mean that
nothing's required of us.

1486
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:08,720
And so, look, I've had talks
with family members about this

1487
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:12,080
very thing.
Get your kids out of school, get

1488
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,440
them out of public school.
There's nothing there.

1489
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:20,960
There's nothing there.
Get and and gather around like

1490
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:23,600
minded people.
I'm not saying move to a

1491
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:26,120
compound.
What I am telling you is you

1492
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:30,280
might want to take a look at
where things are still normal

1493
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:34,280
and then head that direction
because things are getting

1494
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:37,480
extremely abnormal.
And when you find that spot you

1495
01:27:37,480 --> 01:27:40,680
draw a line in the sand and you
protect that like a bulldog.

1496
01:27:41,480 --> 01:27:46,120
And when the time comes, you say
the things that have to be said,

1497
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:48,520
no matter how uncomfortable they
are.

1498
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:53,360
That I think right now is is our
best hope.

1499
01:27:53,480 --> 01:27:56,120
And then support the people who
are going out.

1500
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:59,280
Maybe you throw a couple of
bucks at their GoFundMe page to

1501
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:05,880
pay for the attorneys, right?
Maybe you hang the proclamation

1502
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:10,120
in your front yard.
But something do something.

1503
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:14,760
So I you can get them from her.
She's selling these banners, you

1504
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:15,920
can get them.
Yeah.

1505
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:23,560
And and here's the thing, we we
always are looking for the big

1506
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:27,560
task, right, The heavy lift.
And we feel like if it's not the

1507
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:29,720
heavy lift, we're not doing
anything.

1508
01:28:30,480 --> 01:28:39,240
Well, you know what if 100
people lifted 100 lbs each, it's

1509
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:40,640
a lot of weight that gets
lifted.

1510
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:44,760
So all you got to do is just do
your part.

1511
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:49,080
Just stand up.
Well, that's exactly what it

1512
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:50,800
says in Mosiah, right?
Equal.

1513
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:52,760
Part.
But you still, but you got to

1514
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:54,640
carry that part.
There's a piece of that that

1515
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:56,480
that you're incumbent upon to
carry.

1516
01:28:57,200 --> 01:29:01,720
So.
There's a there's a bigger

1517
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:05,440
there's ultimately here a bigger
picture that I'm kind of

1518
01:29:05,440 --> 01:29:09,240
concerned about and it's not
just this pride month in L GB

1519
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,400
TQI think it's kind of the
collapse of of Western

1520
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:16,320
civilization.
And there's a funny theme behind

1521
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:18,280
all of this.
When you look at whether it's

1522
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:23,400
the climate change cult or you
look at the LGBTQ movement, you

1523
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:27,440
look at the the medical.
Can you even call it medical

1524
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:31,600
malpractices going on in in the
world globally.

1525
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:38,280
Interestingly, these all some
reasons seem to focus on ending

1526
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:44,880
human life, stopping human life.
When you look at the LGBTQ

1527
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:47,960
stuff, right, that's a
ultimately that's a, that's a,

1528
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:51,080
it's a, it's a dysfunction.
And I don't mean that in a, in

1529
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:53,160
a, in a.
Derogatory.

1530
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:58,200
Derogatory way, but the function
of your sexual organs and sex is

1531
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:02,840
to produce children and if that
if you've got same sex

1532
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:06,600
attraction and that's all you're
into then that they're

1533
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:09,640
dysfunctional, right.
You cannot reproduce.

1534
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:14,880
This is the most basics of
biology the you know, mesos

1535
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:18,680
hierarchy of needs.
This is this is kind of kind of

1536
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:20,760
down there.
He he's got that down there with

1537
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:22,800
like, you know, food and water.
Right.

1538
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:30,320
Reproducing is a biological urge
and all animal, well, most

1539
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:31,680
animals.
You know what's interesting?

1540
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:34,440
Actually, do you know where?
Do you know what animals don't

1541
01:30:34,440 --> 01:30:37,120
have a natural biological urge
to reproduce?

1542
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:44,520
Animals in captivity isn't that
interesting?

1543
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:48,080
It's like you let those tigers
run loose in the Sahara and

1544
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:52,880
they're they're going at it all,
all the time, but you put them

1545
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:54,960
in a zoo and suddenly they're
not interested.

1546
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:00,720
There's a lot of interesting
parallels there.

1547
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,080
Yeah.
I, I want, I want to stop here

1548
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:06,960
for a second and explore this a
little more because I have

1549
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:11,520
something else I want to pull up
here and take a look at because

1550
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:15,040
no, you're good.
Because I think, I think this is

1551
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:18,080
important.
When you were in the church,

1552
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:20,600
Justin, do you remember the
cycle, what the name of the

1553
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:24,360
cycle was in the Book of Mormon
where they would be really

1554
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:25,960
righteous, then they'd get
unrighteous.

1555
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:27,160
Do you remember what they called
that?

1556
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:30,920
If they call it the repentance
cycle, right, The pride cycle,

1557
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:32,680
the pride cycle, OK, there you
go.

1558
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:34,760
It was the IT ends with the
repentance.

1559
01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:37,920
OK.
Yeah, the pride cycle.

1560
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:43,400
In in the Book of Mormon, when
Lehigh's having his vision, Do

1561
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:46,600
you remember what Lehigh said
about it?

1562
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:49,240
This comes from first Nephi
chapter 12.

1563
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:52,720
I can't, I don't have the verse
right here.

1564
01:31:53,480 --> 01:31:56,200
Here it is.
It's verse 18 and the large and

1565
01:31:56,200 --> 01:32:00,720
spacious building which thy
father saw is vain imaginations

1566
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:05,360
of the pride of the children of
men not unfamiliar.

1567
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:10,720
If we go to Proverbs 1618, he
says this.

1568
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:14,880
Let me get down there.
Pardon me, should have had this

1569
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:16,720
ready.
A little more pride go.

1570
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:20,040
He says imaginations.
Right, right.

1571
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:22,240
Like, huh, Like maybe we're
trying.

1572
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:24,080
We're trying to make, we're
trying.

1573
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:27,440
Society's trying to normalize
this, and it's not.

1574
01:32:28,440 --> 01:32:29,880
OK.
It can't be normal.

1575
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:33,280
You can't have a society and
have this become mainstream and

1576
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:35,600
and majority.
No, you don't have a society

1577
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:37,000
anymore.
You don't have people anymore.

1578
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:42,880
No, no, absolutely not.
And, and so we see this come up

1579
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:48,920
over and over and over again.
And the, you know, it, it says

1580
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:51,680
in Proverbs, pride goeth before
the destruction.

1581
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:57,600
It's funny that they latched on
to the one thing that the

1582
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,520
Scripture seems to point to over
and over and over again.

1583
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:05,960
What's Lucifer's ultimate,
ultimate sin that gets him cast

1584
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:07,680
out?
It's the pride of his heart,

1585
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:08,960
right?
I no, no, no, no.

1586
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:12,600
I want the glory.
OK, now I want to share

1587
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:15,080
something with you here.
Beware of pride.

1588
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:16,120
Was that?
Who was that?

1589
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:17,880
That was one of the greatest
talks.

1590
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:19,880
Yeah.
Ever heard in the church?

1591
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:21,560
Was that was that?
Hacker.

1592
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:23,000
I can't remember.
Can't remember.

1593
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:24,840
I can't remember.
We wear a pride though.

1594
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:27,480
Fantastic classic talk.
I want to share.

1595
01:33:27,480 --> 01:33:29,880
That printed in a binder.
Absolutely.

1596
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:32,400
It was a great talk.
I want to share something here

1597
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:35,600
real quick and I want you guys
to remember this scripture

1598
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:39,360
that's written in one of the
epistles by Paul, I think, where

1599
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:42,000
he says we fight not against
flesh and blood, but against

1600
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:44,040
Thrones, principles and
municipalities.

1601
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:46,920
OK?
Meaning that these are spiritual

1602
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:48,720
things.
And to illustrate this point,

1603
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:50,160
I'm going to share this real
quick.

1604
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:57,320
This comes from, I found this a
couple years ago, about 3 years

1605
01:33:57,320 --> 01:34:01,880
ago to be exact.
This comes from the Utah Pride

1606
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:07,880
Festival in 2022.
The Satanic Temple of Utah was

1607
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:14,520
performing ritualistic
unbaptisms performed that booth

1608
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:16,600
by an ordained minister of
Satan.

1609
01:34:19,440 --> 01:34:22,840
Why is it they feel so
comfortable in that environment?

1610
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:29,960
Last time I checked, the Church
of Satan doesn't have a

1611
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:32,480
missionary arm.
I mean, you remember the last

1612
01:34:32,480 --> 01:34:35,440
time the the guy, the the, the
elders from the Church of Satan

1613
01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:37,920
knocked on your door, right?
Right.

1614
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:44,040
But here they get very bold.
They get very bold.

1615
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:50,800
Now you brought up the idea of
and I would I would encourage

1616
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:53,720
everyone to screenshot this.
This is one of those things that

1617
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:58,600
you're probably going to want to
show your kids at some point of

1618
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:03,440
what what we were up against.
But I think it's it's it's gross

1619
01:35:04,480 --> 01:35:09,560
beyond all measure.
But here's my point.

1620
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:15,480
These this battle we're engaged
in, it's an ancient battle.

1621
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:21,160
There's nothing new here, right?
We can look back at all the

1622
01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:27,080
deities that came from Canaanite
gods and even Greco Roman

1623
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:30,400
traditions and we can start
seeing some of this, right?

1624
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:35,160
If you were a priest or
priestess of Ishtar, one of the

1625
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:38,320
things you were want to do was
to change your gender.

1626
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:42,240
Yeah.
You know, want to take a guess

1627
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:47,320
on when their their their major
month of celebration was the

1628
01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:49,400
June.
It would have been the modern

1629
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:56,200
equivalent of June.
If we look at at ballism right

1630
01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:57,760
you, you mentioned the climate
cult.

1631
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:01,200
You know what, you know what the
practitioner practitioners of

1632
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:05,640
ball would do if they were in a
mild drought as an offering to

1633
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:07,320
ball.
They would turn part of the

1634
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:09,000
field back.
Ferrell again.

1635
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:17,680
And then the final step is when
or the final two steps are a

1636
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:20,480
ritualistic orgy that happened
in in the forest.

1637
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:24,480
We hear it a lot in the Old
Testament about, you know, the

1638
01:36:24,480 --> 01:36:30,680
forest or in the trees becoming
a common negative connotation.

1639
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:33,680
It's because that's where the
ritual orgies were performed.

1640
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:37,480
It was Woodstock.
It was Woodstock exactly.

1641
01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:42,360
And then what happens when you
have that kind of free love

1642
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:46,280
society going on?
Justin, you're.

1643
01:36:47,480 --> 01:36:49,440
Going to have a lot of unwanted
pregnancies.

1644
01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:52,480
Oh, right.
And guess what the final

1645
01:36:52,480 --> 01:36:56,280
solution was to whatever was
afflicting folks who were

1646
01:36:56,280 --> 01:37:00,280
wrapped up in ball worship?
You'd sacrifice your kid?

1647
01:37:01,440 --> 01:37:03,480
Mollock Worship.
Yeah, Mollock worship.

1648
01:37:03,480 --> 01:37:06,920
Yep.
And so this is an ancient,

1649
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:08,840
ancient battle that we're
engaged in.

1650
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:11,480
There is nothing new here.
The only thing that's been done

1651
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:14,320
is they change the packaging for
modern consumption.

1652
01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:16,640
That's it.
That's it.

1653
01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:20,800
The the priests of Ball no
longer wear red robe or black

1654
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:24,880
robes.
They now wear lab coats if

1655
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:29,400
they're into abortion.
They now wear Pixie wings in

1656
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:31,040
their underwear in a Pride
parade.

1657
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:35,240
It's no longer Ishtar worship.
It's just pride.

1658
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:38,880
But this is an ancient battle
that we're that we're engaged

1659
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:40,200
in.
I'll give you the screen back

1660
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:42,320
now.
Yeah.

1661
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:46,200
Well, you know, if you, if you
will look at a snapshot of the

1662
01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:50,200
world today, it's funny.
We think we're so enlightened.

1663
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:54,560
We think we're so smart.
We've got science today.

1664
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:57,800
We've got science.
We can't be fooled by this

1665
01:37:57,800 --> 01:37:59,520
stuff.
You mean Doctor Fauci?

1666
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:06,440
Well, it's just, how are you
know, you know, the Rick and

1667
01:38:06,440 --> 01:38:10,200
Morty crowd, You know, we're so
smart now.

1668
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:13,000
Religion's so dumb and we're so
smart.

1669
01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:17,200
Well, why are we doing the same
Dang things these ancient cults

1670
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:20,440
used to do if we're so much, if
we're so enlightened?

1671
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:24,160
Absolutely.
Absolutely.

1672
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:26,160
It's absurd.
And all of these things

1673
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:28,720
converge.
The abortion issue, another one.

1674
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:30,960
What do all these things have in
common?

1675
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:32,520
Death.
Yep.

1676
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:37,840
They all the common denominator
in all of this is death, ending

1677
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:43,280
human life, thwarting God's plan
and I have the theory on this

1678
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:47,480
actually, I think Satan lost.
The war is over.

1679
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:54,480
Christ's victory at the cross
put a permanent end to any hope

1680
01:38:54,480 --> 01:39:01,320
of victory that Satan had.
Unless, unless the whole earth

1681
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:03,560
can be wasted at Christ's
coming.

1682
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:09,040
If we are all so wicked that
when Christ comes the whole

1683
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:12,000
earth is burned, there is no
Millennium ring.

1684
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:15,600
Right.
And there's no work for the dead

1685
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:19,440
for the I mean, you know, I've,
I've done my genealogy and a

1686
01:39:19,440 --> 01:39:21,520
little bit of work for my dead
if you know, a few generations

1687
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:23,640
back, but I'm no, I'm nowhere
near Adam.

1688
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:29,360
We all got a lot.
We've all got a lot of of of

1689
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:31,000
work for the dead to do during
the Millennium.

1690
01:39:32,360 --> 01:39:34,120
Absolutely.
But.

1691
01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:37,640
There'll be no Millennium.
Nope.

1692
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:44,120
So this is this is the Hail Mary
of all hell being thrown at us

1693
01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:49,560
right now, I'd say even more
than even in ancient times,

1694
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:52,920
because we now have also, in a
sense, re erected the Tower of

1695
01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:54,080
Babel.
Yep.

1696
01:39:54,880 --> 01:40:00,800
We have a homogeneous society,
even even in far Asian

1697
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:03,920
different, you know, corners of
the world in Africa and Asia and

1698
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:07,440
South America.
Modern culture and ideas have

1699
01:40:07,480 --> 01:40:11,320
permeated everything.
And we're all kind of linked

1700
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:16,000
together.
And as goes Western

1701
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:19,520
civilization, as goes the world
at this point, absolutely

1702
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:22,000
Western civilization is going to
commit suicide.

1703
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:28,320
Satan wins.
He can still eke out a measure

1704
01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:30,400
of victory if he can pull that
off.

1705
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:33,600
And I think he's throwing
everything he's got at it from

1706
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:38,280
all of these different angles.
And that's really what we're

1707
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:39,720
seeing.
And and we can see that to a

1708
01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:41,120
certain degree, He's really
winning.

1709
01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:44,560
Birth rates across the globe are
plummeting.

1710
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:49,440
In some countries, like South
Korea, it's it's, it's almost,

1711
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:53,000
it's catastrophic.
I think by the year 2070, their

1712
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:55,720
population is going to be nearly
half of what it is today.

1713
01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:59,800
Could you imagine what the world
would look like with half the

1714
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:03,080
population in your city?
Imagine half the people are

1715
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:03,440
gone.
How?

1716
01:41:03,480 --> 01:41:05,640
How would things function?
They don't.

1717
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:09,360
I mean, if you don't have
replacement rate, you're done.

1718
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:12,320
You're done.
You were telling me about Korea.

1719
01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:15,080
Yeah.
It's tragic what's happening in

1720
01:41:15,080 --> 01:41:16,640
Korea.
Their replacement rates now is

1721
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:23,360
like .7 or something like that
.7 children, they're cooked.

1722
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:26,800
And and you know, there's,
there's a lot of people that are

1723
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:30,480
optimistic about this.
Well, mankind will adapt, will

1724
01:41:30,480 --> 01:41:31,840
adapt.
It's not going to, we're not

1725
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:34,560
going to, we're not going to do
this for ourselves to

1726
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:36,480
extinction.
We will adapt.

1727
01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:39,640
I wouldn't be so sure.
One of the biggest arguments

1728
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:42,760
that of adaption is, well, we've
got AI now, we've got

1729
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:50,520
automation, we've got robots and
AI and we don't need to as big

1730
01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:53,520
of a population.
We'll just have the machines and

1731
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:57,960
the computers do everything.
And so even if the population's

1732
01:41:57,960 --> 01:42:00,240
small, we'll still have
everything we needed more.

1733
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:04,520
Well, that's probably what you
should be the most afraid of.

1734
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:09,760
You remember when I said about
the the animals in captivity?

1735
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:14,760
Yep.
Yeah, some reason the more

1736
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:19,080
enslaved you are, the harder it
is for people to be incentivized

1737
01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:22,160
to want to reproduce even if
they want to.

1738
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:28,040
So let's say assuming that
you're fertile, you've avoided

1739
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:33,720
the medical and food poison and
all this kind of crap and and

1740
01:42:33,720 --> 01:42:37,800
you're heterosexual still.
You've avoided the furries,

1741
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:41,200
you've avoided the the trans,
you've avoided the LG, you know,

1742
01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:44,520
the lesbian and gay stuff.
You've dodged those bullets.

1743
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:47,760
You actually met a a member of
the opposite sex and were able

1744
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:51,720
to develop a relationship.
In this day and age where people

1745
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:54,000
don't see each other and face to
face anymore.

1746
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:55,800
Everything's done through
computers.

1747
01:42:57,320 --> 01:43:00,880
Assuming you you get through all
of that well, are you going to

1748
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:02,880
have a family though?
Are you going to have children?

1749
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:05,000
You get married, OK, but are you
going to have children?

1750
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:10,080
Are you really going to do that
today?

1751
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:12,640
It's it's a hard thing to do.
Yeah.

1752
01:43:13,120 --> 01:43:16,080
It's a really hard thing to do.
I saw an estimate online saying

1753
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:20,440
that the expected cost of a
child, not including college

1754
01:43:20,440 --> 01:43:24,720
education over, you know,
basically from, you know, from

1755
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:28,400
being born or conception to, to,
to becoming an adult and going

1756
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:33,280
off on their own is $250,000 per
child.

1757
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:39,000
I don't know whose children
those are.

1758
01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:40,920
I'm not making that kind of
money.

1759
01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:44,400
Right.
And I'm doing it just, and I'm

1760
01:43:44,440 --> 01:43:48,240
and I'm, I'm getting by just
fine, but that kind of messaging

1761
01:43:48,240 --> 01:43:50,560
is out there.
Those ideas are out there.

1762
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:54,080
It's infecting our culture.
And I'll be honest, having

1763
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:57,040
children is a sacrifice.
It is a hard thing to do.

1764
01:43:57,600 --> 01:44:00,120
If you go back and read the
proclamation to the family,

1765
01:44:00,120 --> 01:44:04,680
though, you'll see that this is,
this is fundamental to the

1766
01:44:04,680 --> 01:44:07,480
gospel.
This is fundamental to God's

1767
01:44:07,480 --> 01:44:10,720
plans for us on this earth, is
that we reproduce.

1768
01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:14,560
It's so important.
It's so important that God has

1769
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:17,880
built it into us.
Such a strong biological desire

1770
01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:23,800
for this that we have to depend
on him spiritually not to get

1771
01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:28,560
overwhelmed by it, to not take
it too far, to not turn into

1772
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:32,520
animals.
But Despite that, in this day

1773
01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:35,040
and age, we don't, we don't,
we're not having children

1774
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:38,800
anymore and it's getting these,
these numbers are getting hard.

1775
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:40,160
And I kind of can't understand
why.

1776
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:43,400
I think it's the, it's the
enslavement aspect.

1777
01:44:43,400 --> 01:44:45,760
It's the biggest cause more than
anything else.

1778
01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:48,200
It's we are animals in
captivity.

1779
01:44:48,200 --> 01:44:51,600
We are losing our, our freedoms.
We are lose, losing our

1780
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:53,920
sovereignty.
We're losing our opportunities.

1781
01:44:55,960 --> 01:44:59,800
Housing has become really
impossible for young couples

1782
01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:04,360
now.
The idea of owning a home is not

1783
01:45:04,360 --> 01:45:07,440
on the table.
So, so they rent, right?

1784
01:45:07,800 --> 01:45:10,040
Well, do you want to have
children if you're renting a

1785
01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:11,920
house?
Or do you want to have children

1786
01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:14,920
if you own your own property?
Right.

1787
01:45:16,040 --> 01:45:23,520
That makes a huge difference
here and things are hard right

1788
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:25,240
now.
The economy is not good, the

1789
01:45:25,240 --> 01:45:27,840
economics aren't good, the
political landscape that's UN

1790
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:29,040
good.
There's a lot of uncertainty.

1791
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:32,000
There's a lot of all this.
There's all these excuses not to

1792
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:39,480
have children, but the fact of
the matter is it's not going to

1793
01:45:39,480 --> 01:45:40,800
get easier.
No.

1794
01:45:41,440 --> 01:45:43,800
Next year it's going to be even
that much harder to have

1795
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:45,320
children.
The year after that it's going

1796
01:45:45,320 --> 01:45:49,520
to be that much harder.
And as things like a robotics

1797
01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:52,960
and AI and these government,
this is the WEF puts it, you'll

1798
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:57,200
owe nothing and be happy and
like it and like it.

1799
01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:00,440
You'll own nothing and like it,
yes, and you will not have

1800
01:46:00,440 --> 01:46:03,080
children.
Who wants to have children if

1801
01:46:03,080 --> 01:46:04,960
you own nothing?
Right.

1802
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:13,560
When you look at the advances of
of civilization, there is

1803
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:16,280
something to the curse of Adam,
right?

1804
01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:20,040
That we and we understand this.
I think as men, maybe more than

1805
01:46:20,040 --> 01:46:21,480
maybe some of the women
understand it.

1806
01:46:21,880 --> 01:46:26,040
Men need opposition.
We need resistance.

1807
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:31,080
If there's not something to push
against as men, we kind of, we

1808
01:46:31,080 --> 01:46:33,360
kind of fall apart.
We atrophy.

1809
01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:36,440
Our muscles do that.
But it's not just muscles, it's,

1810
01:46:36,440 --> 01:46:39,760
it's everything.
That's why that's why men are

1811
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:44,080
into sports, because it's a,
it's a game and that's important

1812
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:45,640
to us, though.
It's an important game.

1813
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:46,760
It's like.
Competitiveness.

1814
01:46:47,120 --> 01:46:50,720
It's competition, yeah, and we
need that.

1815
01:46:51,120 --> 01:46:53,680
And.
But if you remember, when Adam's

1816
01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:55,480
cast out of the garden, he's
cursed.

1817
01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:57,680
What?
How is he cursed at the ground

1818
01:46:58,040 --> 01:47:02,120
will no longer just bring up
fruit and and food and and

1819
01:47:02,120 --> 01:47:05,120
instantaneously, but he'd have
to labor by the sweat of his

1820
01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:06,040
brow.
He'll eat.

1821
01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:09,280
He shall eat his, you know, he
shall eat his bread.

1822
01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:12,880
We have to work.
What happens when that work goes

1823
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:14,680
away?
What happens when that

1824
01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:17,360
resistance is gone and we live
in a society where you don't

1825
01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:20,480
have to work.
We've got AI and machines or

1826
01:47:20,480 --> 01:47:22,960
we've got immigrants.
If the liberals have their way,

1827
01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:25,760
we've got we've got other
people.

1828
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:29,840
There's no more resistance and
we're no longer men.

1829
01:47:30,480 --> 01:47:34,560
And if we're no longer men,
we're no longer raising

1830
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:36,680
families.
And if we're no longer raising

1831
01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:38,840
families, it's the end of
civilization.

1832
01:47:39,200 --> 01:47:44,240
You know, it's imagine just what
would people do if they didn't

1833
01:47:44,240 --> 01:47:46,720
have to labor and everything
they need need was just

1834
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:50,120
automatically given to you.
They'd probably just Jack into a

1835
01:47:50,120 --> 01:47:52,000
computer all day.
Yep.

1836
01:47:52,240 --> 01:47:53,480
The end.
The end.

1837
01:47:54,240 --> 01:47:57,800
Yep, Yep.
You know, a couple things you

1838
01:47:57,800 --> 01:47:59,760
said, I think here worth
exploring.

1839
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:05,440
And one is you, you use the term
the the the world will be left

1840
01:48:05,440 --> 01:48:09,600
desolate.
In the Old Testament, the sin

1841
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:13,680
above all of their sins was
called what the abomination of

1842
01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:18,640
desolation.
I can't think of a more apt

1843
01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:20,800
description for what we're
facing right now.

1844
01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:25,240
Declining birth rates.
You know, we we're there.

1845
01:48:25,640 --> 01:48:29,960
We're, we're there.
The other thing I, I, I want to

1846
01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:34,040
relate something to you that,
that I was just talking with a,

1847
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:38,400
a guy who's in his late 20s,
early 30s, if I, if I'm not

1848
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:41,360
mistaken, still lives in Utah.
Good dude.

1849
01:48:42,280 --> 01:48:49,000
But he was talking to me and he
was like, we can't do it.

1850
01:48:49,160 --> 01:48:51,080
It's like, what?
What do you mean?

1851
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:55,440
He's like, I make about 35 bucks
an hour.

1852
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:58,600
It's not a bad wage, right?
You're not going to be a

1853
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:00,360
millionaire, but that's not a
bad wage.

1854
01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:06,600
Like when I first got out of
college, I literally made like,

1855
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:10,120
I want to say 10 bucks an hour
as a surveyor, right?

1856
01:49:10,120 --> 01:49:13,120
I mean, like, it was it, but we
always had enough to get by.

1857
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:20,120
This pork guy, he's like, I
can't even afford to buy a home.

1858
01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:24,920
My wife has to work just so we
could make ends meet.

1859
01:49:25,280 --> 01:49:27,800
And if we have any more kids,
we're going to have to look at

1860
01:49:27,800 --> 01:49:30,680
daycare and that's going to eat
into it.

1861
01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:37,280
I'm going to say something here
and I don't want this to be the

1862
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:39,040
ending.
I I want to make sure people

1863
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:40,920
understand that because there's
some hope here.

1864
01:49:43,320 --> 01:49:48,080
But I do believe we're in, we're
in the last stages of empire

1865
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:54,800
collapse.
I, I think we've arrived and

1866
01:49:54,920 --> 01:49:57,240
we're going to have to start
looking at doing some

1867
01:49:57,240 --> 01:49:59,400
unconventional things.
And so I, I mentioned to this

1868
01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:02,280
young guy like, look, then move,
get out of Utah.

1869
01:50:02,280 --> 01:50:04,520
I got out of Utah, right.
I couldn't afford it either.

1870
01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:05,280
I get it.
Get out.

1871
01:50:05,320 --> 01:50:06,280
Get out of.
I couldn't either.

1872
01:50:06,280 --> 01:50:07,680
I got.
I got out of Idaho.

1873
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:10,000
Right, right.
I was like, get it, get out of

1874
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:11,840
there.
And he's like, I can't.

1875
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:13,440
I was like, what do you mean you
can't?

1876
01:50:16,080 --> 01:50:18,360
And we talked about it.
He's like, Oh, well, well, maybe

1877
01:50:18,360 --> 01:50:21,320
I could, right?
But you're going to have to

1878
01:50:21,320 --> 01:50:23,720
start thinking outside the box.
Maybe you don't live right next

1879
01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:27,840
to your family anymore.
Maybe you got to move somewhere

1880
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:29,960
that you never thought about
moving before, and you got to

1881
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:32,920
really work hard at finding the
beauty in that place.

1882
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:35,760
But there are still places where
you can make it.

1883
01:50:37,040 --> 01:50:38,800
But you got to be willing to do
something.

1884
01:50:39,240 --> 01:50:42,680
And yet you can't.
You can't sit in the same place

1885
01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:44,920
and just assume that it's going
to get better because I don't

1886
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:47,960
think it is.
I think the big metroplexes are

1887
01:50:47,960 --> 01:50:51,640
cooked right.
Unless you're a tech bro pulling

1888
01:50:51,640 --> 01:50:54,240
down to 50 a year.
Good luck.

1889
01:50:54,280 --> 01:50:55,680
Yeah.
Good luck.

1890
01:50:57,400 --> 01:51:00,160
But I felt for him, Right?
But right.

1891
01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:03,080
And and you mentioned the
animals in cages.

1892
01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:06,600
He sounded like an animal in a
cage.

1893
01:51:06,640 --> 01:51:08,240
He's stuck.
He can't go anywhere.

1894
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:11,600
He's a slave to the job he has,
which he really doesn't like,

1895
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:14,760
but he's kind of there because
he can't do anything else that's

1896
01:51:14,760 --> 01:51:15,880
going to make that amount of
money.

1897
01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:20,040
If he makes a change living
where he's living, it's absolute

1898
01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:24,920
financial ruin.
All these things are coming like

1899
01:51:25,200 --> 01:51:29,480
every bad check that we've ever
wrote it as people, they're

1900
01:51:29,480 --> 01:51:31,680
coming due right now.
They're all about to hit the

1901
01:51:31,680 --> 01:51:35,280
bank and we have a severe lack
of funds to cover our our rear

1902
01:51:35,280 --> 01:51:37,800
end on that, on that check that
we've we've wrote.

1903
01:51:39,480 --> 01:51:43,520
So I'm not the scholar here, but
there was a, there was a

1904
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:48,080
revelation given by John Taylor,
no, no, given by Wilfer Woodruff

1905
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:53,880
that Wilfer Woodruff received
prior to his great compromise.

1906
01:51:56,240 --> 01:51:58,720
And in that revelation, I don't
know word for word, but I know

1907
01:51:58,720 --> 01:52:03,240
in that revelation he is told
that he is to make no deal

1908
01:52:04,200 --> 01:52:06,520
basically with with the
government or compromise with

1909
01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:09,880
the government on the issue of
plural marriage and that if he

1910
01:52:09,880 --> 01:52:12,280
did that God would support.
Them.

1911
01:52:12,640 --> 01:52:15,400
God would sustain his church
there.

1912
01:52:15,440 --> 01:52:17,440
There was a promise in that
revelation as well.

1913
01:52:17,440 --> 01:52:19,680
Now, we don't know what
happened.

1914
01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:26,000
We don't know what we don't know
what would have happened if that

1915
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:27,880
had gone the other direction,
right?

1916
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:30,880
We don't know for sure that that
God would have had his back.

1917
01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:33,240
Maybe God would have let the
church be annihilated.

1918
01:52:33,480 --> 01:52:36,640
I mean, who knows?
But that's not the God I believe

1919
01:52:36,640 --> 01:52:37,920
in.
I'll tell you that much.

1920
01:52:38,920 --> 01:52:41,680
I believe in a God that will
support his people.

1921
01:52:42,440 --> 01:52:46,200
In the very end of the first
chapter of the Book of Mormon,

1922
01:52:47,320 --> 01:52:51,720
Nephi says he's going to show
unto us that the tender mercies

1923
01:52:51,720 --> 01:52:55,080
of the Lord are all are over all
those whom he have chosen.

1924
01:52:57,320 --> 01:53:02,040
And what makes you chosen?
Well, you choose.

1925
01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:05,600
It's self selection.
If you're going to, if you want

1926
01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:08,480
to serve the Lord, you are
called to the work.

1927
01:53:09,080 --> 01:53:13,000
Right.
Is is God going to have our

1928
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:14,520
back?
I'll tell you when I was

1929
01:53:14,520 --> 01:53:17,640
married, and things weren't even
nearly as bad back then.

1930
01:53:18,320 --> 01:53:20,360
But when I got married, I didn't
have a job.

1931
01:53:22,840 --> 01:53:26,720
Right.
But I had absolute faith I would

1932
01:53:26,720 --> 01:53:29,920
find one because I believe in a
God that wants me to have a

1933
01:53:29,920 --> 01:53:32,960
family, that wants me to be
married and support a wife.

1934
01:53:34,640 --> 01:53:39,440
And lo and behold, I've engaged,
and a couple weeks before we're

1935
01:53:39,440 --> 01:53:43,360
married, I get a call out of the
blue from somebody completely

1936
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:46,000
out of the blue from some guy
I'd known from years before

1937
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:49,440
saying, hey, how you doing?
Long time no see.

1938
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:52,960
I'm like, yeah, I remember
working with you once as a kid

1939
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:55,720
and kind of interning.
And he's like, you still do

1940
01:53:55,720 --> 01:53:58,880
computer stuff?
I'm like, yeah, oh, there's a

1941
01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:00,840
guy in my ward who's looking to
hire a programmer.

1942
01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:05,200
You want to meet with him?
All right, sure.

1943
01:54:05,680 --> 01:54:10,960
And next thing I know, I've got
a job, I wasn't even looking,

1944
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:12,160
and the Lord dropped it into my
lap.

1945
01:54:12,160 --> 01:54:15,440
And I'm not saying that's going
to happen for everybody, but

1946
01:54:16,120 --> 01:54:19,360
what I believe, I believe in a
God that supports his people

1947
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:22,960
when they choose to do the right
thing, when they put God first,

1948
01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:26,200
when they put his Kingdom before
their own.

1949
01:54:27,200 --> 01:54:30,040
And God's Kingdom is in your
family.

1950
01:54:30,120 --> 01:54:35,760
Your family is God's Kingdom.
God wants you to have a family.

1951
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:41,640
And if you're going to put God
first, then go ahead and back

1952
01:54:41,640 --> 01:54:44,280
God into a corner and see if he
won't bless you.

1953
01:54:45,320 --> 01:54:47,640
Make.
Try the Lord.

1954
01:54:48,280 --> 01:54:52,680
Make him bless you if need be.
I don't mean that in a science

1955
01:54:52,680 --> 01:54:56,600
seeking way.
But if it.

1956
01:54:56,600 --> 01:55:00,800
Truly came down to the point of
the church was going to be

1957
01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:06,480
forced to allow gay marriage in
the temple or something like

1958
01:55:06,480 --> 01:55:09,400
that, right?
If it really, really ultimately

1959
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:11,680
came down to it, there is no way
of stopping it.

1960
01:55:12,680 --> 01:55:14,200
Fantastic.
That means the Lord's going to

1961
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:15,920
have to intervene.
Yep.

1962
01:55:17,560 --> 01:55:18,840
What?
What is it that said in the

1963
01:55:18,840 --> 01:55:22,760
Doctrine and Covenants when you
do as I ask?

1964
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:26,480
How's that phrased?
Oh, I just blanked on it.

1965
01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:30,800
I had it and I missed it.
When you do, when you keep the

1966
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:33,680
commandments, and I'm
paraphrasing out, the Lord is

1967
01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:38,920
bound to follow through.
Look, I believe.

1968
01:55:38,920 --> 01:55:41,000
If you don't, then you have no
promise.

1969
01:55:41,080 --> 01:55:43,040
Right.
I believe in a God who's very

1970
01:55:43,040 --> 01:55:45,520
consistent.
I have no time for an

1971
01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:49,160
inconsistent God, right?
And there's too many miracles in

1972
01:55:49,160 --> 01:55:52,400
my life and other people's lives
that I've seen that would

1973
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:55,720
suggest he is anything other
than what he said there in the

1974
01:55:55,720 --> 01:55:58,000
Doctrine and Covenants.
Right.

1975
01:55:58,600 --> 01:56:01,680
So yeah, it's hard.
The world, things are hard right

1976
01:56:01,680 --> 01:56:03,360
now.
They're absolutely hard.

1977
01:56:03,960 --> 01:56:06,400
They are going to get harder.
It's not going to get easier.

1978
01:56:06,760 --> 01:56:09,440
Right.
And so if the Lord's calling you

1979
01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:13,400
to have a family, but you don't
think you can do it, test the

1980
01:56:13,400 --> 01:56:14,560
Lord.
Try the Lord.

1981
01:56:14,680 --> 01:56:16,680
The birth rates in Utah
plummeted as well.

1982
01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:20,200
Yeah.
Significantly, and in Utah and

1983
01:56:20,240 --> 01:56:22,880
matter of fact, proportionally
in Utah, it's fallen the most.

1984
01:56:23,960 --> 01:56:26,640
Right.
Because Utah used to be like 6

1985
01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:30,680
or 7 and and now we're more like
just the rest of the country,

1986
01:56:30,680 --> 01:56:33,080
just doing a little bit better,
yeah.

1987
01:56:34,080 --> 01:56:37,080
And you know again.
And what does that mean, right?

1988
01:56:37,080 --> 01:56:40,600
What does that mean?
Part of it's probably this LGBT,

1989
01:56:40,920 --> 01:56:44,320
LGBTQ, pride stuff.
But that's not all of it.

1990
01:56:46,160 --> 01:56:48,080
There's the health effect,
there's the health stuff,

1991
01:56:48,520 --> 01:56:50,800
there's the economic stuff.
There's.

1992
01:56:51,320 --> 01:56:55,400
All of these things weighing and
I understand how difficult it

1993
01:56:55,400 --> 01:57:00,600
can be to, to have faith, but
you put God in the, you obey

1994
01:57:00,600 --> 01:57:03,920
God's commandments and put
yourself in a situation and the

1995
01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:07,360
Lord has to bless you.
He's promised you that he will.

1996
01:57:07,440 --> 01:57:10,280
The Lord will find a way to open
the door, Whatever it, whatever

1997
01:57:10,280 --> 01:57:12,480
it takes.
There are ways of doing it.

1998
01:57:12,480 --> 01:57:15,560
And yeah, you might have to
think outside the box, but I

1999
01:57:15,560 --> 01:57:19,640
mean, if you think about it, we
are wealthier today than than

2000
01:57:19,640 --> 01:57:23,360
than than humankind has ever
been in, in the history of

2001
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:25,400
civilization.
It's, it's just absolutely

2002
01:57:25,400 --> 01:57:28,080
insane.
You know, our great, great

2003
01:57:28,080 --> 01:57:34,840
grandparents were living in one
room cabins with 12 kids and and

2004
01:57:34,840 --> 01:57:36,880
they got by somehow they didn't
have fire.

2005
01:57:36,880 --> 01:57:37,920
I mean, they didn't have
electricity.

2006
01:57:37,920 --> 01:57:39,480
They had fire.
They didn't have electricity.

2007
01:57:40,200 --> 01:57:42,280
Right.
They didn't have Internet, they

2008
01:57:42,280 --> 01:57:45,480
don't have smartphones, they
don't have, they didn't have any

2009
01:57:45,480 --> 01:57:46,760
of that stuff.
And you can say, well, times

2010
01:57:46,760 --> 01:57:48,040
have changed.
We've lost a lot of those

2011
01:57:48,040 --> 01:57:50,320
skills.
Well, that's true.

2012
01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:53,440
We have lost a lot of those
skills and times have changed.

2013
01:57:53,440 --> 01:57:56,760
But if you're willing to make
those sacrifices, I, I guarantee

2014
01:57:56,760 --> 01:58:00,200
you it is my, it is my personal
testimony because I've, I've

2015
01:58:00,200 --> 01:58:04,320
lived this, that the Lord will
find a way to open the doors so

2016
01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:05,880
that you can keep his
commandments.

2017
01:58:06,120 --> 01:58:11,680
You got to be like Nephi.
And that includes having a

2018
01:58:11,680 --> 01:58:14,800
family, but that also includes
standing up.

2019
01:58:15,400 --> 01:58:18,960
The Wolves.
Right, right.

2020
01:58:19,240 --> 01:58:23,800
And this is the month of wolves.
It, it really is, you know, back

2021
01:58:23,800 --> 01:58:29,360
to, to having a family.
When I had first gotten married

2022
01:58:29,360 --> 01:58:35,080
to Amber, I was put in as ward
mission leader in the ward I was

2023
01:58:35,080 --> 01:58:40,000
living in.
And Bishop, old school Bishop,

2024
01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:46,040
good man, good man.
I remember we had to, to, to go

2025
01:58:46,040 --> 01:58:48,760
on a visit to somebody and give
a blessing.

2026
01:58:49,280 --> 01:58:51,040
And he called me up and said,
why don't you go with me?

2027
01:58:51,120 --> 01:58:54,000
I'm like, cool.
Yeah, no, certainly I looking

2028
01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:56,760
back, I know what he was doing.
He was like, yeah, kids should

2029
01:58:56,760 --> 01:58:58,960
probably see how this is done
sort of a thing, right?

2030
01:59:01,320 --> 01:59:04,440
But we had a conversation in a
car and he he was like, it was

2031
01:59:04,440 --> 01:59:05,840
on the way home from the
hospital.

2032
01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:09,440
We had to drive all the way to
Boise and we were about 45 miles

2033
01:59:09,440 --> 01:59:11,920
from Boise, so we had a good
hour drive, right?

2034
01:59:13,480 --> 01:59:16,040
And he was talking to me and
he's like, well, how's married

2035
01:59:16,040 --> 01:59:17,840
life, young man?
I'm like, oh, that's great.

2036
01:59:17,840 --> 01:59:19,520
You know, my wife's awesome,
blah, blah, blah.

2037
01:59:20,200 --> 01:59:24,160
And he goes any kids.
And I'm like, you know, I'm, I'm

2038
01:59:24,160 --> 01:59:26,040
nervous.
He's like, what are you nervous

2039
01:59:26,040 --> 01:59:27,320
for?
I'm like, I'm poor.

2040
01:59:27,800 --> 01:59:33,200
I'm in school, I have work and,
and you know, even my church

2041
01:59:33,200 --> 01:59:35,040
callings and stuff.
And he's like, let me tell you

2042
01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:38,200
something.
He said there's very few things

2043
01:59:38,200 --> 01:59:42,400
in life that's worthwhile doing
that you can't do while you have

2044
01:59:42,400 --> 01:59:46,920
kids.
And you will never regret having

2045
01:59:46,920 --> 01:59:52,600
your kids.
You will regret focusing on your

2046
01:59:52,600 --> 01:59:54,640
career more than having a
family.

2047
01:59:56,160 --> 02:00:00,800
And I guess that would be my
recommendation, right?

2048
02:00:02,200 --> 02:00:05,120
Damn the consequences.
If you got to move, move.

2049
02:00:05,160 --> 02:00:06,960
If you got to do something
different, do something

2050
02:00:06,960 --> 02:00:09,880
different.
There is a ton of places still

2051
02:00:09,880 --> 02:00:13,480
out here in in in America.
Where you can go find an

2052
02:00:13,480 --> 02:00:16,880
affordable way of life Now
you're going to have to put some

2053
02:00:16,880 --> 02:00:19,680
things on the altar.
You're not going to be right

2054
02:00:19,680 --> 02:00:23,880
next to your favorite dining
spot anymore, and you won't have

2055
02:00:23,880 --> 02:00:26,200
all the conveniences of
everything being close.

2056
02:00:26,640 --> 02:00:31,440
But the trade off is.
Well worth it SO.

2057
02:00:31,600 --> 02:00:33,720
You bring up something.
I actually have a bit of a

2058
02:00:33,720 --> 02:00:36,320
theory on this.
I think one of the reasons a lot

2059
02:00:36,320 --> 02:00:40,560
of marriages are failing in
modern times is because we don't

2060
02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:44,400
have enough tribulation.
Things have gotten so Dang

2061
02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:50,320
convenient that we're so bored
that our marriages are falling

2062
02:00:50,320 --> 02:00:52,440
apart.
Right.

2063
02:00:53,240 --> 02:00:58,800
Because in my experience, it's
the trials that will either

2064
02:00:58,800 --> 02:01:01,800
destroy a family or make a
family.

2065
02:01:01,920 --> 02:01:04,680
Absolutely.
And when we don't have trials,

2066
02:01:04,960 --> 02:01:08,040
when you don't have those, those
when you, when you, when you

2067
02:01:08,040 --> 02:01:10,880
avoid the uncomfortable to the
point where everything goes

2068
02:01:10,880 --> 02:01:15,640
numb, you're lukewarm, you got
nothing left.

2069
02:01:15,640 --> 02:01:18,840
There's nothing there.
I think most marriages failing

2070
02:01:18,840 --> 02:01:23,200
today are failing because
because of a lack of position

2071
02:01:23,200 --> 02:01:25,840
and trial.
The other part of this is how

2072
02:01:25,840 --> 02:01:30,280
you handle it.
And you know, in olden days when

2073
02:01:30,280 --> 02:01:33,800
you when you when you were
facing a crisis, you solved that

2074
02:01:33,800 --> 02:01:36,240
by rallying the family.
Right.

2075
02:01:36,720 --> 02:01:39,400
Your crops fail.
Your field fails.

2076
02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:43,040
There's a bad harvest.
Things don't go your way.

2077
02:01:43,240 --> 02:01:45,480
And you got to get together with
your wife and your children, and

2078
02:01:45,480 --> 02:01:48,040
you got to make a new plan and
you got to figure something out.

2079
02:01:49,040 --> 02:01:50,680
And that brings a family
together.

2080
02:01:51,240 --> 02:01:53,600
What do we do today when we have
a problem at work?

2081
02:01:54,920 --> 02:01:57,800
Because I'm more off work in my
job, my wife's off work in her

2082
02:01:57,800 --> 02:02:01,040
job, our kids are off being
educated by somebody else.

2083
02:02:01,720 --> 02:02:05,360
And if any of us have problems,
what do we do?

2084
02:02:06,160 --> 02:02:08,200
We isolate even further.
Yeah.

2085
02:02:08,200 --> 02:02:09,800
And I've got this problem at
work.

2086
02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:13,280
Let me let me rally my no, no,
no.

2087
02:02:13,320 --> 02:02:16,080
It's push my family away.
I've got to really focus on

2088
02:02:16,080 --> 02:02:17,640
this.
I've got to get my Co worker

2089
02:02:17,640 --> 02:02:19,280
involved.
I gotta get this guy involved

2090
02:02:19,280 --> 02:02:21,800
and I've got to.
And we solve our problems by

2091
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:23,520
pushing away from our families
now.

2092
02:02:26,160 --> 02:02:30,360
But I think that's actually at
the core of marriage failures.

2093
02:02:30,360 --> 02:02:33,280
We don't have enough real
problems and therefore we get

2094
02:02:33,280 --> 02:02:37,120
bored and we make up crap.
Well, look, I'm, I'm going to be

2095
02:02:38,840 --> 02:02:44,120
I am so getting banned.
I'm going to say this.

2096
02:02:45,360 --> 02:02:51,240
I think what we're experiencing
with the LGBTQ wave that's

2097
02:02:51,240 --> 02:02:57,680
that's hit our shores is a
product of life is too easy.

2098
02:02:58,080 --> 02:03:01,720
And let me explain here before
someone, before someone yells at

2099
02:03:01,720 --> 02:03:08,880
me, Justin, what's the one thing
they say that is arson?

2100
02:03:09,040 --> 02:03:14,880
As your typical hetero white
male, it is you stand on so

2101
02:03:14,880 --> 02:03:20,120
much.
You stand on so much privilege,

2102
02:03:20,840 --> 02:03:24,240
so much privilege, but you got
them.

2103
02:03:24,240 --> 02:03:27,240
And be like, you know what?
We've got so much privilege, we

2104
02:03:27,240 --> 02:03:30,680
can't even be the victim of
racism or anything like that

2105
02:03:30,680 --> 02:03:31,560
anymore.
Right.

2106
02:03:32,360 --> 02:03:36,080
But how privileged do you have
to be to be able to ride down

2107
02:03:36,080 --> 02:03:39,800
Main St. in your underwear
wearing Pixie wings, declaring

2108
02:03:39,800 --> 02:03:44,360
who, what kind of, you know,
gender you want to sleep with or

2109
02:03:44,360 --> 02:03:48,680
changing your gender, right?
I think especially the trans

2110
02:03:48,680 --> 02:03:52,640
movement is because there's not
enough natural struggle anymore.

2111
02:03:53,720 --> 02:03:58,760
And humans are whether whether
you're a God guy or whether

2112
02:03:58,760 --> 02:04:02,240
you're someone who believes in
evolution, the one common

2113
02:04:02,240 --> 02:04:05,680
denominator there is we were
built for struggle, right?

2114
02:04:05,840 --> 02:04:07,480
Exactly.
Goes back to Adam.

2115
02:04:07,840 --> 02:04:13,360
We we were born for struggle and
when we don't have that struggle

2116
02:04:14,520 --> 02:04:16,600
we tend to get pretty
self-destructive.

2117
02:04:16,800 --> 02:04:18,000
Just like you were talking
about.

2118
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:20,040
We make.
Up stuff, we start making up

2119
02:04:20,040 --> 02:04:22,080
problems.
We start making up problems

2120
02:04:22,080 --> 02:04:26,240
because we're wired that way.
Now that can be you.

2121
02:04:26,280 --> 02:04:30,000
You don't.
You don't need to go seek out

2122
02:04:32,040 --> 02:04:34,880
immense struggle, but go to the
gym, right?

2123
02:04:34,880 --> 02:04:38,120
Do hard things.
That's where growth happens is

2124
02:04:38,120 --> 02:04:42,880
doing the hard things and you do
that and all of a sudden life

2125
02:04:42,880 --> 02:04:46,680
gets way easier.
Guy that I know, his brother was

2126
02:04:46,680 --> 02:04:50,920
a Bishop in the LDS church.
And this was just recently and

2127
02:04:50,920 --> 02:04:53,720
he said he had kids coming to
him all the time going.

2128
02:04:53,720 --> 02:04:56,680
I got high anxiety.
I've got I'm depressed.

2129
02:04:56,680 --> 02:04:59,920
I've got this, I've got that.
Well, he had a brother who was a

2130
02:04:59,920 --> 02:05:04,680
a rancher down by Nephi.
And so he would say, yeah, go

2131
02:05:04,680 --> 02:05:08,440
work with my brother and they'd
work for his brother for and get

2132
02:05:08,440 --> 02:05:10,200
paid, right.
It wasn't like it was slave

2133
02:05:10,200 --> 02:05:12,160
labor.
He'd go out there and work for

2134
02:05:12,160 --> 02:05:15,080
his brother for a week.
I'll be darned if things didn't

2135
02:05:15,080 --> 02:05:20,480
just clear up, right?
I mean, some we are built for

2136
02:05:20,480 --> 02:05:23,200
struggle and we need the
struggle in order to grow.

2137
02:05:23,200 --> 02:05:26,200
And when we don't have the
struggle, we invent things

2138
02:05:26,200 --> 02:05:33,320
subconsciously for struggle.
You know, I want to add

2139
02:05:33,320 --> 02:05:36,560
something to that.
This is this is the the gospel

2140
02:05:36,560 --> 02:05:42,440
according to me.
But nonetheless, I had AI had a

2141
02:05:42,560 --> 02:05:46,960
revelation once because I found
myself struggling a lot in life

2142
02:05:46,960 --> 02:05:50,640
at various things, struggling to
find a wife, struggling to just

2143
02:05:51,720 --> 02:05:55,080
just all kinds of stuff, right?
Struggling to find

2144
02:05:55,080 --> 02:06:01,880
self-confidence in myself.
At a certain point though, I had

2145
02:06:01,880 --> 02:06:07,320
this, this revelation that if
you're struggling, that means

2146
02:06:07,320 --> 02:06:10,040
that you're doing it right.
That means you're working you.

2147
02:06:10,080 --> 02:06:11,920
That means you are over the
target.

2148
02:06:11,920 --> 02:06:15,520
You are going in the right
direction because the path of

2149
02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:17,320
least resistance is what leads
to hell.

2150
02:06:17,960 --> 02:06:20,240
Yep.
If things are easy, if you're

2151
02:06:20,240 --> 02:06:24,320
not struggling, if things are
fine and dandy and you don't

2152
02:06:24,320 --> 02:06:28,280
have a problem or care in the
world, that's when you really

2153
02:06:28,280 --> 02:06:31,640
need to be worried.
And that's the thing, I don't

2154
02:06:31,640 --> 02:06:36,640
know anybody who I consider a
great man who doesn't struggle.

2155
02:06:39,000 --> 02:06:41,680
They struggle all the time with
all kinds of things.

2156
02:06:43,520 --> 02:06:46,080
It's true, the struggle that we
become strong.

2157
02:06:46,080 --> 02:06:48,240
And I think that's what I
believe.

2158
02:06:48,240 --> 02:06:55,240
It's Moroni.
Or is it Mormon and never

2159
02:06:55,240 --> 02:06:56,600
remember?
I think it's moron.

2160
02:06:56,600 --> 02:06:59,080
I writing in the Book of Mormon
where he talks about the Lord

2161
02:06:59,080 --> 02:07:01,440
making weak things become strong
because he's like, I can't

2162
02:07:01,440 --> 02:07:02,560
write.
I can't do this.

2163
02:07:03,280 --> 02:07:07,560
I'm I'm not strong like I the
Nephites are so good at speaking

2164
02:07:07,560 --> 02:07:10,720
and we can speak so well and the
spirit's that bang and and it

2165
02:07:10,720 --> 02:07:13,760
convinces people's hearts.
People are going to look at this

2166
02:07:13,760 --> 02:07:15,080
book and they're going to mock
it.

2167
02:07:15,240 --> 02:07:17,720
They're going to laugh because I
can't write with the same spirit

2168
02:07:17,720 --> 02:07:22,120
that I can preach.
And the Lord comforts him and

2169
02:07:22,120 --> 02:07:25,320
says, Hey, and I give unto men
weaknesses.

2170
02:07:28,320 --> 02:07:32,560
God gives unto men weaknesses so
that we turn to God.

2171
02:07:33,400 --> 02:07:37,680
And in that struggle, in that
wrestling, like Jacob wrestling

2172
02:07:37,680 --> 02:07:40,400
with the Angel or the Lord,
depending on how you understand

2173
02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:48,400
that verse, that is how we find
the the divine within us.

2174
02:07:48,400 --> 02:07:51,080
That's how we achieve our
potential as sons and daughters

2175
02:07:51,080 --> 02:07:53,840
of God is through the struggle.
And so if you're struggling,

2176
02:07:53,840 --> 02:07:55,640
that's OK.
That's normal.

2177
02:07:56,600 --> 02:07:59,040
And sometimes I feel like,
especially in the LDS church,

2178
02:07:59,040 --> 02:08:02,160
people put on a mask of, hey,
I'm not struggling because if I

2179
02:08:02,160 --> 02:08:03,640
was struggling, that means I'm a
bad.

2180
02:08:04,040 --> 02:08:08,160
I mean, I'm not a good Mormon.
I'm not, I'm not worthy of, of

2181
02:08:08,160 --> 02:08:09,840
this.
The gospel is not working for

2182
02:08:09,840 --> 02:08:11,480
me.
No, it's, it is working.

2183
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:14,600
That's, that's how it works.
It is through the struggle that

2184
02:08:14,600 --> 02:08:17,440
we become strong.
That is how the Lord tempers us

2185
02:08:17,440 --> 02:08:22,600
and refines us and purifies us.
And so struggling is not a bad

2186
02:08:22,600 --> 02:08:25,720
thing.
Giving up is a bad thing and

2187
02:08:25,720 --> 02:08:28,760
avoiding the fight, avoiding the
struggle is a bad thing.

2188
02:08:28,760 --> 02:08:31,960
That's that's where, that's
where you have problems.

2189
02:08:32,040 --> 02:08:35,360
That's where things go wrong.
And that's ultimately where

2190
02:08:35,360 --> 02:08:37,560
things really fall apart.
Just because you're struggling

2191
02:08:37,560 --> 02:08:38,880
doesn't mean things are falling
apart.

2192
02:08:38,880 --> 02:08:42,080
It might feel that way
sometimes, but it's not true.

2193
02:08:42,920 --> 02:08:45,400
It's when you stop struggling.
It's when you give in.

2194
02:08:46,080 --> 02:08:48,120
That's when things are falling
apart, when you feel

2195
02:08:48,120 --> 02:08:49,600
comfortable, when you're at
ease.

2196
02:08:50,280 --> 02:08:55,560
Absolutely, absolutely.
And and so as, as times

2197
02:08:55,560 --> 02:09:00,560
continue, as we, as we struggle
against this, I want to, I want

2198
02:09:00,560 --> 02:09:03,320
to say one more thing.
There is joy even in the

2199
02:09:03,320 --> 02:09:07,400
struggle.
I've come to learn that over the

2200
02:09:07,400 --> 02:09:12,080
last few years, I have never
been as busy as I am right now.

2201
02:09:12,560 --> 02:09:17,080
My schedule is not a schedule.
It's a collection of tasks that

2202
02:09:17,080 --> 02:09:20,680
is slowly accumulating to
overtake me.

2203
02:09:21,520 --> 02:09:23,440
Somehow I'm keeping my head
above water.

2204
02:09:24,440 --> 02:09:28,360
But there's joy in that look
when I go to bed at night.

2205
02:09:28,760 --> 02:09:31,840
And I've said this about both
Amber and Tanya, and I really

2206
02:09:31,840 --> 02:09:34,040
mean it.
They are my solace, right?

2207
02:09:34,040 --> 02:09:39,400
I'll, you know, at night, I lay
down and they are absolutely my

2208
02:09:39,400 --> 02:09:42,160
solace.
But there is a quiet joy that

2209
02:09:42,160 --> 02:09:44,080
comes from.
Yeah, you know what?

2210
02:09:44,720 --> 02:09:50,360
I worked my rear end off this
week and I'm now tired, but it

2211
02:09:50,360 --> 02:09:53,000
feels good because I got stuff
done.

2212
02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:55,720
I struggled.
There is joy in the struggle.

2213
02:09:56,000 --> 02:10:00,440
And even as we struggle against
this right, against this stuff

2214
02:10:00,440 --> 02:10:06,880
coming for our kids, there's a
certain quiet joy that can be

2215
02:10:06,880 --> 02:10:09,000
found because I think it's just
you.

2216
02:10:09,160 --> 02:10:11,880
You know you're engaged in a
good cause and you're doing

2217
02:10:11,880 --> 02:10:14,280
what's right.
So just because you're you're

2218
02:10:14,280 --> 02:10:16,880
struggling doesn't mean it's an
absence of joy.

2219
02:10:17,720 --> 02:10:21,720
In a weird way, sometimes we can
enjoy even that.

2220
02:10:26,640 --> 02:10:31,160
Absolutely.
So along those lines, you know,

2221
02:10:31,360 --> 02:10:35,360
we might not be able to fully
win this battle or win this war,

2222
02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:39,280
but we can win battles and
battles matter because we're we

2223
02:10:39,280 --> 02:10:42,000
need lives are at stake.
Souls are at stake, right?

2224
02:10:43,960 --> 02:10:46,920
But the first thing we need to
understand is what we're really

2225
02:10:46,920 --> 02:10:49,600
dealing with.
I'm going to share my screen

2226
02:10:49,600 --> 02:10:51,760
again if that's all right.
Absolutely.

2227
02:10:53,120 --> 02:10:57,920
All right, so this is my
attempts at at A at AI.

2228
02:10:58,840 --> 02:11:02,840
Nice.
But this is what this is what we

2229
02:11:02,840 --> 02:11:04,160
are facing.
Let's not.

2230
02:11:04,960 --> 02:11:10,160
Yes, that wolf is a victim too.
And that wolf is a creation of

2231
02:11:10,160 --> 02:11:12,840
God.
It doesn't mean we feed our

2232
02:11:12,840 --> 02:11:14,480
children to it.
Right.

2233
02:11:16,560 --> 02:11:21,360
It doesn't mean we invited into
our home to or invited into our

2234
02:11:21,360 --> 02:11:24,600
chapels or invited into and I'm
talking about individual people

2235
02:11:24,600 --> 02:11:26,240
that I'm not talking about
shunning people.

2236
02:11:26,240 --> 02:11:30,760
I'm saying beliefs, right
ideologies and fine.

2237
02:11:30,760 --> 02:11:34,080
If a, if a lesbian woman wants
to associate with church, great.

2238
02:11:34,080 --> 02:11:35,960
Maybe she'll fill the spirit and
repent.

2239
02:11:35,960 --> 02:11:38,840
That could be great.
That could be fantastic, but you

2240
02:11:38,840 --> 02:11:40,360
don't invite her to speak,
right?

2241
02:11:40,680 --> 02:11:42,760
And if she does and she says
something about her gay

2242
02:11:42,760 --> 02:11:46,920
marriage, then you go up there
and, and you reaffirm the, the

2243
02:11:46,920 --> 02:11:49,520
importance of the sanctity of,
of, of marriage.

2244
02:11:49,800 --> 02:11:54,080
And does that.
Person is a is a victim too and

2245
02:11:54,080 --> 02:11:55,800
they need to hear those
messages.

2246
02:11:55,840 --> 02:12:00,680
Not it's OK, we affirm you this
is a safe space for you.

2247
02:12:01,360 --> 02:12:04,880
They need to hear you can come
back.

2248
02:12:06,120 --> 02:12:08,320
There's always a the, the door
is always open.

2249
02:12:08,320 --> 02:12:09,960
You're you're welcome to come
back.

2250
02:12:11,640 --> 02:12:15,800
But more importantly, we don't
feed our children to the wolves.

2251
02:12:16,640 --> 02:12:21,320
Absolutely.
And so we can actually win

2252
02:12:21,320 --> 02:12:25,440
battles.
And we are at a very special

2253
02:12:25,680 --> 02:12:29,000
moment in time, I think right
now where we have a limited

2254
02:12:29,000 --> 02:12:32,720
window, a very limited window,
but a window nonetheless to

2255
02:12:32,720 --> 02:12:34,440
start pushing back.
Yep.

2256
02:12:34,600 --> 02:12:38,440
To start driving in some steaks
and I, I shared an analogy with

2257
02:12:38,440 --> 02:12:40,320
you when I was talking on the
phone the other night.

2258
02:12:40,960 --> 02:12:45,400
During the Korean War, the, the
communist North Korea was backed

2259
02:12:45,400 --> 02:12:50,360
by China and they had a, a
ceasefire or a kind of a

2260
02:12:50,360 --> 02:12:52,840
peaceful agreement with the
South for over a time as they

2261
02:12:52,840 --> 02:12:54,720
were trying to decide what to do
with the country.

2262
02:12:54,720 --> 02:12:57,800
And you have the Western backed
South Korea and you have the

2263
02:12:57,800 --> 02:13:00,360
communist Chinese, Russian
backed North Korea.

2264
02:13:01,480 --> 02:13:04,160
And while they're trying to
figure out what to do with the

2265
02:13:04,160 --> 02:13:07,760
country that the communists
decided we're just going to take

2266
02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:09,840
it all.
And they launched an attack.

2267
02:13:10,280 --> 02:13:14,320
They marched into South Korea.
They pushed all the way down to

2268
02:13:14,400 --> 02:13:17,880
the city of Pusan.
They'd taken over the entire

2269
02:13:17,880 --> 02:13:21,360
country, but there's one little
city on the tip of the

2270
02:13:21,360 --> 02:13:25,360
peninsula.
And then MacArthur and, and

2271
02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:29,040
these allies arrived and they
joined the South Koreans and

2272
02:13:29,040 --> 02:13:33,080
they fought back and they pushed
back and they pushed the North

2273
02:13:33,080 --> 02:13:35,240
Korea all the way back up to the
original border.

2274
02:13:35,240 --> 02:13:39,320
And then they kept going and
they pushed them all the way

2275
02:13:39,320 --> 02:13:42,120
back up to the border of to the
border of China.

2276
02:13:43,240 --> 02:13:47,440
And at that time, MacArthur was
like, let's do this.

2277
02:13:48,600 --> 02:13:51,520
Chinese are the ones really, he
knew that the Chinese, the

2278
02:13:51,520 --> 02:13:53,680
communists are who are really
fighting right now.

2279
02:13:54,640 --> 02:13:57,920
And MacArthur also knew that
these communists are going to be

2280
02:13:57,920 --> 02:14:02,240
a problem, just like Hitler was
a problem, these communists are

2281
02:14:02,240 --> 02:14:04,320
going to be a problem too.
If we don't do something about

2282
02:14:04,320 --> 02:14:06,640
Mao, there's going to be
problems.

2283
02:14:07,080 --> 02:14:13,040
So MacArthur, General MacArthur
wants to push into China because

2284
02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:18,000
the he had the momentum going.
They were already pushing.

2285
02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:23,200
And there's, there's a certain
momentum that you can get and,

2286
02:14:23,200 --> 02:14:25,280
and all kinds of things.
You see this in sports all the

2287
02:14:25,280 --> 02:14:28,920
time too, right?
And when the momentum's going,

2288
02:14:30,080 --> 02:14:32,680
you don't call the time out.
The opposing team might, but you

2289
02:14:32,680 --> 02:14:35,120
don't call the time out.
No, no.

2290
02:14:35,240 --> 02:14:37,120
When you're on fire, that is not
what you called.

2291
02:14:37,120 --> 02:14:39,640
Well, the, the, the politicians
called a time out.

2292
02:14:40,200 --> 02:14:42,600
They told MacArthur, you're not
going into China.

2293
02:14:42,920 --> 02:14:46,680
Just stop right there and just
keep fighting there.

2294
02:14:46,840 --> 02:14:50,880
And so they kept fighting there,
and eventually the Chinese just

2295
02:14:50,880 --> 02:14:54,760
overwhelmed them and they pushed
MacArthur and the Allies all the

2296
02:14:54,760 --> 02:14:57,120
way back down.
Actually, it was Aun at that

2297
02:14:57,120 --> 02:14:59,080
point.
There's Aun, but it was mostly

2298
02:14:59,080 --> 02:15:02,320
the Allied countries, right?
Push them all the way back down

2299
02:15:03,760 --> 02:15:05,400
to where the original border
was.

2300
02:15:05,400 --> 02:15:07,760
And that's where it remains to
this day.

2301
02:15:08,320 --> 02:15:11,120
Yep.
And MacArthur was absolutely

2302
02:15:11,120 --> 02:15:13,880
convinced that we were
completely ready to go.

2303
02:15:14,360 --> 02:15:18,480
We could have had World War
Three and won it a generation

2304
02:15:18,480 --> 02:15:19,720
ago.
Right.

2305
02:15:19,920 --> 02:15:21,680
And we?
Wouldn't be dealing with Russia

2306
02:15:21,680 --> 02:15:24,120
and China in this, in this
communist threat that's re

2307
02:15:24,120 --> 02:15:27,120
arisen in our day.
If, if if that had been dealt

2308
02:15:27,120 --> 02:15:30,720
with, Korea would have been a
free country for into complete

2309
02:15:30,720 --> 02:15:32,800
country.
Those families that are that are

2310
02:15:32,800 --> 02:15:34,400
separated wouldn't have been
separated.

2311
02:15:35,080 --> 02:15:37,920
A lot of good could have
happened if that momentum had

2312
02:15:37,920 --> 02:15:43,840
been kept going.
And so there is a certain

2313
02:15:43,920 --> 02:15:46,280
there's a kind of synergy to
momentum.

2314
02:15:46,400 --> 02:15:50,360
And right now, right now there's
a bit of synergy happening.

2315
02:15:50,480 --> 02:15:53,760
So share a few things here.
This is the University of Utah.

2316
02:15:54,840 --> 02:16:01,480
On the right, we have EU
monument, I guess in front of

2317
02:16:01,480 --> 02:16:05,640
the college as it was last year
and the year before that and the

2318
02:16:05,640 --> 02:16:07,400
year before that and the year
before that.

2319
02:16:08,360 --> 02:16:11,000
On the left, we have what it
looks like today.

2320
02:16:14,040 --> 02:16:17,920
Yep.
No left is 2005, right's 2004,

2321
02:16:17,920 --> 02:16:20,880
three, two and one.
Notice anything different?

2322
02:16:21,680 --> 02:16:28,160
2005 or 2025?
I mean 2025, sorry, left is

2323
02:16:28,160 --> 02:16:32,200
2025, the right is 2024, three
221.

2324
02:16:33,440 --> 02:16:36,559
Pretty stark, right?
Yeah, and only once.

2325
02:16:36,559 --> 02:16:41,040
They didn't change.
They didn't wrap it in in pride

2326
02:16:41,040 --> 02:16:46,760
colors this year.
University of Utah didn't wrap

2327
02:16:46,920 --> 02:16:49,000
their U in pride colors this
year.

2328
02:16:50,400 --> 02:16:52,080
Interesting, huh?
Yeah.

2329
02:16:52,959 --> 02:16:54,160
Well, here, look at some more
stuff.

2330
02:16:54,799 --> 02:16:58,280
These are some signs.
We've got the Apple logo, and

2331
02:16:58,360 --> 02:17:00,520
there there's their Twitter
profile icon.

2332
02:17:00,600 --> 02:17:05,480
In 2004 and 2005.
We got Apple, we got IBM, we got

2333
02:17:05,480 --> 02:17:08,520
HP, American Airlines,
Paramount, Vogue.

2334
02:17:10,520 --> 02:17:15,360
Did you know that the Boise
Pride Parade got they they

2335
02:17:15,360 --> 02:17:18,440
decided not to do it because it
lacked funding this year?

2336
02:17:19,360 --> 02:17:21,559
Really.
Well, who's funding?

2337
02:17:21,600 --> 02:17:25,240
Who's funding it?
Oh, I'm guessing these guys.

2338
02:17:25,400 --> 02:17:29,639
On the left and then all of a
sudden it got way unpopular to

2339
02:17:29,639 --> 02:17:33,559
do that.
Yeah, Now the other thing you

2340
02:17:33,559 --> 02:17:36,400
see on this one, this is in that
video game area I was talking

2341
02:17:36,400 --> 02:17:38,920
about.
You got Nintendo, Bethesda,

2342
02:17:38,920 --> 02:17:42,480
Xbox, PlayStation, Electronic
Arts, Ubisoft, Activision

2343
02:17:42,480 --> 02:17:46,120
Blizzard, Naughty Dog.
Now don't get me wrong, I don't

2344
02:17:46,120 --> 02:17:48,040
think these companies are our
allies now.

2345
02:17:48,520 --> 02:17:50,520
Right.
No, they're just, they're,

2346
02:17:50,520 --> 02:17:52,360
they're reading the tea leaves,
right.

2347
02:17:52,719 --> 02:17:55,240
And yeah, what they need to do
in order to keep the

2348
02:17:55,240 --> 02:17:58,360
shareholders happy.
Don't take a weatherman to know

2349
02:17:58,360 --> 02:17:59,760
which way the wind blows.
Right.

2350
02:18:00,480 --> 02:18:04,160
And they know that right now it
ain't blowing that way.

2351
02:18:04,240 --> 02:18:05,959
And so they've got their normal
logos up.

2352
02:18:06,160 --> 02:18:07,799
They did not.
They did not have their normal

2353
02:18:07,799 --> 02:18:09,480
logos up last year.
Yep.

2354
02:18:11,240 --> 02:18:13,400
But down here in the corner,
there's a few that still are.

2355
02:18:13,799 --> 02:18:16,280
Those are now the outliers.
It's like those guys didn't get

2356
02:18:16,280 --> 02:18:18,639
the memo right?
And they're the laughing stock

2357
02:18:18,639 --> 02:18:21,600
of social media because they're
the only ones.

2358
02:18:22,040 --> 02:18:26,400
They're the only ones who stuck
the Pride for a Pride flag on

2359
02:18:26,400 --> 02:18:29,080
their company logo on Twitter.
Yep.

2360
02:18:30,760 --> 02:18:35,080
And now instead of everybody
canceling these other companies

2361
02:18:35,080 --> 02:18:38,080
for not doing it, they're
mocking these companies for

2362
02:18:38,080 --> 02:18:43,959
doing it.
And then this is this is one of

2363
02:18:43,959 --> 02:18:45,959
my favorites because I hate
Target, but.

2364
02:18:47,360 --> 02:18:51,120
Target.
We got last year and they've got

2365
02:18:51,120 --> 02:18:54,879
their pride section hashtag take
pride and all this rainbow

2366
02:18:54,879 --> 02:18:57,719
colored children clothing
because who wouldn't want to

2367
02:18:57,719 --> 02:19:01,680
dress their children?
Well, I'm not going to say that

2368
02:19:01,680 --> 02:19:04,440
I don't want you to get
cancelled off YouTube that

2369
02:19:04,440 --> 02:19:06,280
quick.
It might be too late though,

2370
02:19:06,400 --> 02:19:07,799
either way.
It might be.

2371
02:19:08,080 --> 02:19:10,080
It's OK, it might.
Be too late, we might have blown

2372
02:19:10,080 --> 02:19:13,040
it.
It it's not my first time so.

2373
02:19:13,160 --> 02:19:17,160
Either way.
You say that and I see that meme

2374
02:19:17,160 --> 02:19:20,959
of the the guy with the new
surrounding this your first time

2375
02:19:20,959 --> 02:19:23,959
right?
Yeah, that's exactly what I was

2376
02:19:23,959 --> 02:19:25,840
thinking.
Oh yeah, we're synced up there.

2377
02:19:26,920 --> 02:19:30,680
Yeah, so you've got the pride
display on the top.

2378
02:19:30,680 --> 02:19:35,040
That was last year and then this
year you got red, white and blue

2379
02:19:36,040 --> 02:19:40,360
as far as the eye can see, not a
rainbow insight target.

2380
02:19:41,200 --> 02:19:48,520
You know, and again, to your
point, it's not like the

2381
02:19:48,520 --> 02:19:50,960
attitudes changed inside the
building.

2382
02:19:51,400 --> 02:19:54,920
What did they see?
They saw an election that quite

2383
02:19:54,920 --> 02:20:02,880
frankly was a mandate, right?
And and their understanding, oh,

2384
02:20:02,880 --> 02:20:06,240
we're on the wrong side of this.
And so for the benefit of

2385
02:20:06,240 --> 02:20:09,800
profits and shareholders, we
better do an about face.

2386
02:20:10,120 --> 02:20:13,960
But make no mistake, once they
feel like that momentum has

2387
02:20:13,960 --> 02:20:18,760
changed, they'll go back, right
and back to what you had quoted

2388
02:20:18,760 --> 02:20:22,120
out of Mosiah about each man has
a responsibility.

2389
02:20:22,680 --> 02:20:25,560
We now have momentum on our
side.

2390
02:20:26,400 --> 02:20:29,880
And it doesn't matter who's in
office, OK?

2391
02:20:29,880 --> 02:20:34,400
Every politician is a chameleon.
Every politician will adjust the

2392
02:20:34,400 --> 02:20:39,880
colors to whichever ideology is
most prevalent.

2393
02:20:41,320 --> 02:20:45,440
So just because this happened
right now is not victory.

2394
02:20:46,240 --> 02:20:50,760
It's a battle that's been won,
but it's 1 battle.

2395
02:20:51,760 --> 02:20:54,480
The other thing I'll say, you
talked about having small

2396
02:20:54,480 --> 02:20:56,760
victories.
I don't think they're small.

2397
02:20:56,920 --> 02:21:01,640
And let me explain that in this
case, Justin, I don't think it's

2398
02:21:01,640 --> 02:21:04,280
overstating to say that we're
fighting for the souls of men

2399
02:21:04,280 --> 02:21:06,960
and women.
Absolutely.

2400
02:21:07,960 --> 02:21:11,880
What does God say in the
Doctrine and Covenants about the

2401
02:21:11,880 --> 02:21:14,120
worth of one soul?
Yeah.

2402
02:21:14,120 --> 02:21:16,760
If you bring unto me, save it be
1 soul.

2403
02:21:17,160 --> 02:21:19,640
Imagine the joy in the
hereafter.

2404
02:21:21,080 --> 02:21:23,760
Right.
So and what if that one soul is

2405
02:21:23,760 --> 02:21:26,720
your own grandchild?
Right, right.

2406
02:21:27,080 --> 02:21:27,840
Or even if?
How?

2407
02:21:27,840 --> 02:21:31,720
Many souls, is that now?
Right, exactly.

2408
02:21:32,200 --> 02:21:37,360
And and so these things we do
here, when we stand up, they

2409
02:21:37,360 --> 02:21:39,400
reverberate throughout the
eternities.

2410
02:21:41,840 --> 02:21:44,160
Yeah.
And and I think that's important

2411
02:21:44,160 --> 02:21:46,000
to keep in mind.
I don't think in in this

2412
02:21:46,000 --> 02:21:49,480
instant, I don't instance, I
don't think there is a small

2413
02:21:49,480 --> 02:21:51,840
victory.
I think they're all large

2414
02:21:51,840 --> 02:21:55,960
victories because we're the the
stakes are so high to God

2415
02:21:56,280 --> 02:21:59,280
because God loves his children.
Right.

2416
02:22:00,400 --> 02:22:03,480
So ultimately, if I go back to
the Korea analogy, I don't know

2417
02:22:03,480 --> 02:22:05,320
why, I guess I've served a
mission in Korea.

2418
02:22:05,320 --> 02:22:07,760
It's partial, partial to
history.

2419
02:22:08,200 --> 02:22:09,960
Let me go back to that Korea
analogy.

2420
02:22:10,440 --> 02:22:14,880
Ultimately, the communists are
going to overrun the land and

2421
02:22:14,880 --> 02:22:18,960
we're going to be huddled in
Pusan waiting for General Jesus

2422
02:22:18,960 --> 02:22:22,240
Christ to come and save us.
We know that's how this is going

2423
02:22:22,240 --> 02:22:27,320
to end.
But in the meantime, in the

2424
02:22:27,320 --> 02:22:32,040
meantime, what if we could have
a a Demilitarized Zone?

2425
02:22:32,600 --> 02:22:35,840
Right.
What rather than let this what

2426
02:22:35,840 --> 02:22:40,280
if instead of this just being a
this year of of a of a pride

2427
02:22:40,280 --> 02:22:43,720
fatigue, this becomes the new
standard.

2428
02:22:44,400 --> 02:22:46,120
This becomes the new line in the
sand.

2429
02:22:46,600 --> 02:22:51,840
We push back and we're going to
hold this ground as long as we

2430
02:22:51,840 --> 02:22:54,320
can, as long as we absolutely
can.

2431
02:22:55,320 --> 02:22:58,680
Isn't that worth it, dude?
Isn't that worth the fight?

2432
02:22:59,680 --> 02:23:01,640
And it's not just, it's not just
pride.

2433
02:23:01,640 --> 02:23:03,040
This isn't the only thing we're
facing, right?

2434
02:23:03,040 --> 02:23:04,960
This is a symptom of a much
bigger problem.

2435
02:23:05,480 --> 02:23:07,920
But we're winning in other ways
as well.

2436
02:23:07,920 --> 02:23:12,920
There's other small victories
that are actually huge, just to

2437
02:23:12,920 --> 02:23:16,560
name a couple of them.
And I, I actually was, we were

2438
02:23:16,560 --> 02:23:21,120
discussing this once, you know,
Pornhub is just pulled out of

2439
02:23:21,120 --> 02:23:24,600
France.
Nice they.

2440
02:23:24,600 --> 02:23:26,960
Pulled out of France because
France required age

2441
02:23:26,960 --> 02:23:30,600
verification.
They've also pulled out of

2442
02:23:30,600 --> 02:23:32,880
multiple states here in America.
Yep.

2443
02:23:33,360 --> 02:23:34,920
I don't know if they're in Utah
or not.

2444
02:23:34,960 --> 02:23:38,040
That's But see, there's a
there's a fight right there.

2445
02:23:38,040 --> 02:23:41,200
If you want to fight, get your
legislate if it hasn't already.

2446
02:23:41,200 --> 02:23:45,040
Get your legislators in Utah to
pass a law that requires age

2447
02:23:45,040 --> 02:23:49,120
verification for pornography
peddlers and Pornhub will pull

2448
02:23:49,120 --> 02:23:53,200
out of your state because they
would rather not do business in

2449
02:23:53,200 --> 02:23:56,840
your state than not be allowed
to peddle pornography to minors.

2450
02:23:57,280 --> 02:23:58,600
Right.
And and.

2451
02:23:58,880 --> 02:24:01,440
Look.
That's such a small thing just

2452
02:24:01,440 --> 02:24:05,880
to verify your age, right?
And so there's no other reason

2453
02:24:05,880 --> 02:24:10,320
other than they're going after
kids that that would be such an

2454
02:24:10,320 --> 02:24:13,120
issue that they'd want to pull
out of that state, right?

2455
02:24:13,120 --> 02:24:14,760
Right.
It kind of reminded me when a

2456
02:24:14,760 --> 02:24:18,160
bunch of these LGBT people were
really upset when they passed

2457
02:24:18,160 --> 02:24:20,920
the death penalty for child
predators in in Florida.

2458
02:24:21,320 --> 02:24:23,040
And they're like, they're coming
after us.

2459
02:24:23,040 --> 02:24:26,000
I'm like, wait, what are you
saying?

2460
02:24:26,600 --> 02:24:28,120
What do you mean they're coming
after you?

2461
02:24:28,720 --> 02:24:31,240
That that is akin to me.
Anymore.

2462
02:24:31,880 --> 02:24:35,400
That is akin to me coming home
from work and my kid turns

2463
02:24:35,400 --> 02:24:36,920
around and goes, I didn't steal
a cookie.

2464
02:24:37,480 --> 02:24:41,080
They're like, I didn't ask bro,
but now you got to ask some

2465
02:24:41,080 --> 02:24:44,040
questions.
Yeah, exactly.

2466
02:24:44,520 --> 02:24:47,040
So Pornhub, we're winning
against the fight against

2467
02:24:47,040 --> 02:24:49,880
pornography.
We're having actual wins.

2468
02:24:50,800 --> 02:24:52,560
You thought that you thought
that war was passed.

2469
02:24:52,560 --> 02:24:54,600
No, it's not passed.
And there's things that we can

2470
02:24:54,600 --> 02:24:56,400
do about it.
We can still stand up against

2471
02:24:56,400 --> 02:25:02,360
this women's sports.
We've had a lot of victories in

2472
02:25:02,400 --> 02:25:04,560
women's sports recently.
And you know, some of that might

2473
02:25:04,560 --> 02:25:08,720
be just temporary political
stuff, but we make sure that we

2474
02:25:08,720 --> 02:25:10,760
are heard that this is what we
expect.

2475
02:25:10,760 --> 02:25:12,240
And we're not going back to that
again.

2476
02:25:12,600 --> 02:25:16,200
We're not going to let boys beat
up girls and, and, and in

2477
02:25:16,200 --> 02:25:19,360
sports.
And we set that standard.

2478
02:25:21,440 --> 02:25:26,080
And then the other one in the
UK, they recently, I think it

2479
02:25:26,080 --> 02:25:27,960
was the all I thought their
passports or something like

2480
02:25:27,960 --> 02:25:29,640
that.
No more, no more.

2481
02:25:29,640 --> 02:25:32,160
You know you're male, female,
and then it's what you were born

2482
02:25:32,160 --> 02:25:33,400
as.
Right.

2483
02:25:35,240 --> 02:25:38,040
Radical.
I know you know radical, right?

2484
02:25:38,600 --> 02:25:41,360
Radical.
Your government identification

2485
02:25:41,360 --> 02:25:45,920
identifies your actual sex, not
your imagined sex.

2486
02:25:46,040 --> 02:25:48,880
Strange.
Strange, Yeah.

2487
02:25:48,880 --> 02:25:52,480
But regardless that that that's
the that's a victory.

2488
02:25:52,920 --> 02:25:55,880
There are victories to be had.
There are battles to fight that

2489
02:25:55,880 --> 02:25:58,400
can be won.
You don't have to go out and

2490
02:25:58,400 --> 02:26:02,720
martyr right now.
And so I would just encourage

2491
02:26:02,720 --> 02:26:04,960
anybody listening find, find
your fight.

2492
02:26:04,960 --> 02:26:08,480
If it's not pride, that's fine.
So find something, find

2493
02:26:08,480 --> 02:26:12,880
something because like you were
saying, Dave, this is an ancient

2494
02:26:12,880 --> 02:26:15,600
battle and this is this is the
last iteration of it.

2495
02:26:15,600 --> 02:26:20,760
This is the last cycle happening
right now and the other side's

2496
02:26:20,760 --> 02:26:23,320
pulling out everything that it's
got.

2497
02:26:24,480 --> 02:26:27,280
Yep.
I mean, just think about Justin.

2498
02:26:27,280 --> 02:26:29,800
Was there ever a time in your
life that you thought you would

2499
02:26:29,800 --> 02:26:35,160
actually see in Utah?
A flyer for the Church of Satan

2500
02:26:35,160 --> 02:26:38,600
to do unbaptisms during a gay
pride festival.

2501
02:26:39,480 --> 02:26:42,920
No, but you know what?
In 2004, I would never have

2502
02:26:42,920 --> 02:26:46,360
believed that in 2005, the UT,
the UTA will not appear at

2503
02:26:46,360 --> 02:26:48,680
Pride.
Right this year.

2504
02:26:49,120 --> 02:26:53,320
Yeah, and guess why they pulled
out funding.

2505
02:26:54,080 --> 02:26:57,440
Yeah, they're.
Saying for other events, they're

2506
02:26:57,440 --> 02:27:00,280
still going to be there and you
can use your ticket to the event

2507
02:27:00,640 --> 02:27:05,040
as your transit token as well.
But they're not doing that with

2508
02:27:05,040 --> 02:27:06,600
your Pride tickets.
You got to pay.

2509
02:27:06,600 --> 02:27:08,440
If you want to ride transit, you
got to pay.

2510
02:27:09,280 --> 02:27:13,920
Why?
Because the Pride organization

2511
02:27:13,920 --> 02:27:17,920
didn't pay, the UTA include that
with their tickets.

2512
02:27:18,480 --> 02:27:20,160
They don't have the money,
right?

2513
02:27:20,160 --> 02:27:22,440
They don't have the money.
And and this is.

2514
02:27:23,480 --> 02:27:26,040
Yeah, and that's the thing,
making a stand can be that

2515
02:27:26,040 --> 02:27:30,960
simple as I'm not going to go
shop at Target because they have

2516
02:27:30,960 --> 02:27:34,640
pride section in June.
Yep.

2517
02:27:34,640 --> 02:27:37,240
And vote with your dollar.
I'm not buying my kid a new

2518
02:27:37,240 --> 02:27:39,920
Nintendo Switch.
The new Nintendo Switches came

2519
02:27:39,920 --> 02:27:44,280
out and you can create a me
that's body type one or body

2520
02:27:44,280 --> 02:27:48,800
type 2.
Nintendo won't say boy or girl

2521
02:27:50,720 --> 02:27:53,000
on the on their new children's
console.

2522
02:27:53,600 --> 02:27:57,600
They won't say boy and girl.
It's body type A and body type

2523
02:27:57,600 --> 02:28:01,800
B.
I'm not buying it.

2524
02:28:02,320 --> 02:28:04,400
Right.
I, I, you know, I grew up with

2525
02:28:04,400 --> 02:28:07,000
Nintendo.
I've got this very powerful,

2526
02:28:07,000 --> 02:28:11,000
strong nostalgia that was that
was my childhood.

2527
02:28:11,800 --> 02:28:13,720
Right.
And I have been a fan of theirs

2528
02:28:13,720 --> 02:28:16,200
ever since.
And this is the first generation

2529
02:28:16,200 --> 02:28:17,440
of something new they're putting
out.

2530
02:28:17,440 --> 02:28:21,160
I will not participate.
Yeah.

2531
02:28:21,200 --> 02:28:26,360
Just off the table not doing it.
I'm going to say something else

2532
02:28:26,360 --> 02:28:29,600
here because you alluded to
this.

2533
02:28:30,400 --> 02:28:33,080
Sometimes it's as easy as
saying, you know what?

2534
02:28:33,080 --> 02:28:35,440
We're not going to target today.
We're going somewhere else.

2535
02:28:36,080 --> 02:28:41,360
Sometimes your absence speaks
louder than your presence,

2536
02:28:41,640 --> 02:28:43,760
right?
And I, I want to be careful how

2537
02:28:43,760 --> 02:28:46,560
I word this because because we
do need to engage.

2538
02:28:47,200 --> 02:28:50,840
However, there's nothing wrong
with selectively engaging.

2539
02:28:51,200 --> 02:28:55,680
So if you don't play the game
and you only come out for that

2540
02:28:55,680 --> 02:28:58,680
one fight you feel like God's
inspiring you to come out for,

2541
02:28:58,960 --> 02:29:04,440
it's OK, It's all right.
But sometimes you can win with

2542
02:29:04,440 --> 02:29:08,320
your absence and that can speak
louder than anything else.

2543
02:29:08,880 --> 02:29:11,480
And we shouldn't be afraid of
that either, right?

2544
02:29:11,720 --> 02:29:13,840
That's one of the easier things
that we can do.

2545
02:29:13,960 --> 02:29:16,320
I'm just not going to
participate, right?

2546
02:29:16,680 --> 02:29:19,920
It's hard.
It's hard to win a game if you

2547
02:29:19,920 --> 02:29:21,680
don't have an opponent
sometimes.

2548
02:29:22,160 --> 02:29:25,600
And I think I think that's
that's also worth worth

2549
02:29:25,600 --> 02:29:29,720
remembering.
But well, dude, good stuff.

2550
02:29:29,720 --> 02:29:34,520
Anything else?
Well, I think we got into it and

2551
02:29:34,520 --> 02:29:36,560
even more than I was expecting,
so.

2552
02:29:36,840 --> 02:29:39,760
Yeah, no, we we absolutely got
into it really good.

2553
02:29:41,800 --> 02:29:44,720
Again, these are ancient battles
that we're fighting.

2554
02:29:45,000 --> 02:29:48,280
This is an ancient war.
This is the ancient of all wars.

2555
02:29:49,640 --> 02:29:52,640
Things have changed, but the
only thing that's changed is the

2556
02:29:52,640 --> 02:29:56,360
packaging in which death is
peddled to.

2557
02:29:56,360 --> 02:30:01,640
You understand?
I'll death and understand this

2558
02:30:01,640 --> 02:30:04,200
as well.
We're showing that we can win,

2559
02:30:05,040 --> 02:30:09,360
right, that we can win some
battles, but we got to seize the

2560
02:30:09,360 --> 02:30:11,440
momentum now and we can't let it
go.

2561
02:30:12,920 --> 02:30:17,560
And we we have to keep pushing
on this or just like you pointed

2562
02:30:17,560 --> 02:30:24,680
out with your analogy of Korea,
we'll be, we'll be in a world of

2563
02:30:24,680 --> 02:30:28,200
hurt.
But dude, that was good, good

2564
02:30:28,200 --> 02:30:29,800
stuff.
I appreciate you coming on.

2565
02:30:31,040 --> 02:30:33,640
Thanks.
It's fun to have you here.

2566
02:30:34,160 --> 02:30:35,840
All right, we'll talk to you
next time.

2567
02:30:35,840 --> 02:31:08,680
Bye everybody.
You're listening to the Norman

2568
02:31:08,680 --> 02:31:10,080
Renegade podcast.