Episode#50: The State of Mormonism Today W/Taylor Smith

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So, Joe, Biden gave his State of
the Union Address this week and

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despite all the hype speech and
all the lies, I think we all

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know things aren't good.
Well, it's funny.

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How God works on this episode.
I have Taylor Smith back on the

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podcast.
Taylor breaks down what he

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thinks the state of Mormonism is
Taylor and I cover some

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fascinating scripture about
prophesied apostasy in the last

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days, we then touch on this
week's Temple ordinance changes

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as well as the changes made over
the decades, then we talk about

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what those Those changes really
mean for the exaltation of those

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who participate in those changed
ordinances.

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Now, you'll notice that while
Tyler and I don't agree on

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everything we do, come to the
same conclusion and that is all

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is not well in Zion, and that's
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You're listening to the Mormon
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So Taylor, how you been, man?
Living the dream as always.

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Nice nice.
So I gotta tell you last time,

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we talked man, we had an epic
conversation on on the last days

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and stuff.
And what I loved about it.

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What I loved about it was that
we really kind of honed in on

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how it affects the restoration
and then Mormons in particular.

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Are we going to focus on that
again?

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Are we going to expand this?
A little bit.

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I actually think we're going to
get even more targeted tonight.

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Okay.
This is where I will lead.

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I mean, who knows?
Maybe as we get going, something

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else will come.
But the thoughts, as I have had

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preparing and thinking about how
we can kind of wrap this subject

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up, not that we can wrap it up,
but as far as we can expand on

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it a little bit more build on
what we started a couple weeks

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ago.
That's kind of where I've been

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feeling.
So, all right, I guess.

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We'll see where we go.
So last time we left off and we

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were kind of around Isaiah,
right?

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We were talking about some
things that we're going to

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happen.
There is that where we want to

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pick up again?
Or what would you have in mind

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there?
You know what, I think that's a

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great place to kind of kick off
will pick up and kind of close

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the thread a little bit more, I
couldn't believe when you, when

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I noticed the time and we've
been going for what 3 plus h 3

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and a half hours, I was like,
wow.

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There was more than I expected.
It took more time, but yeah,

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nothing wrong with that.
No, no, um look, it's hard to

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break down any principle in the
gospel, in 30 seconds, right?

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Or or or even in an hour, right?
You're peeling your peeling

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layers back and this topic,
especially right.

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I feel like this one has a lot
of layers to it.

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So no, dude.
I figured three hours was just

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about right for a part one.
Alrighty.

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Well, you know, let's Dive Right
In to S Nephi chapter 28

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because, you know, we were kind
of going through some of the

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groundwork, the Isaiah chapters
and then Nephi really unlocking,

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the understanding the proper
perspective on some of those

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Isaiah chapters that are quoted.
Second by chapter 28, is kind of

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a current events analysis if you
will whoo-hoo And so this is

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where it gets, I guess, kind of
real and personal for us in our

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day, right?
And beginning with verse 3, it

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shall come to pass in that day.
Today, that the trigger is,

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which are built up and not unto
the Lord.

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When the one shall say unto you,
the other behold, I, I am the

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Lord's, and the other shall say,
I am the Lord's and the shall

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everyone say that has built up
churches and not unto the Lord.

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Now just a little commentary on
that.

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It's so easy for us to point the
fingers at the Lutheran's and

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the methodists and the
Catholics.

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And, you know, all of these
other sex and and, you know,

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various denominations of
Christianity and and kind of

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say, yeah, you're not built up
unto the Lord but you claim to

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be and I think that the, the
usefulness of the scriptures are

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our, as a tool.
It's not just an academic

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exercise.
I mean, there is a locket, a lot

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of kind of, you know, thought
and intellectual exercise that

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goes into analyzing critically
and and in very great detail

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these scriptures.
But to me, the only value the

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only benefit that comes to us
personally is when we apply them

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to ourselves, like Nephi says
likening the scriptures unto

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ourselves makes it for our
profit and learning.

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And so to me Would I would
submit that all of us,

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especially Mormons should look
in the mirror and take a close

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look and say, do I think that
I'm the one true church on the

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earth?
Do I think that my church is the

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one true church going on verse
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They shall contend one with
another, their priest shall

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content one with another and
they shall teach with their

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learning and to deny the Holy
Ghost we which giveth utterance

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and they deny the power of God.
The Holy One of Israel and say

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unto the people the hearken unto
us here.

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You our preset for behold, there
is no God today for the Lord and

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Redeemer, has done his work and
he hath given his power unto men

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and you know this As a former,
you know, completely mainstream

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faithful true blue through and
through Mormon, I had these

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understandings that well, you
know, the Brethren are

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righteous, they're inspired.
And you know, they're telling us

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good things, giving us Good
Counsel, it's on us.

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It's the membership that is at
fault and you know, it's taken

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years of the spirit working upon
me to You understand like some

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of the scriptures that we read
last time about the, they that

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lead because the two are, you
know, in talking about some of

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those other kind of scriptural
phrases, that clearly are

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addressed at the leaders of the
folk of the people, not just the

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people and they're, you know,
the wickedness of the people the

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membership.
And, you know, and I don't say

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this personally against any
individual.

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I think it's just indicative.
This is a prophetic statement.

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Scribing things that the Lord
has opened my eyes to see some

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interesting connections.
Behold harkinian to my preset.

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If they shall say, there's a
miracle wrought by the hand of

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the Lord.
Believe it not you.

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No.
Denying people denying that

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Miracles are happening saying,
oh no, don't you can't trust in

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faith and in the priesthood and
in herbs.

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And you know the Wholesome foods
to heal, people know, you have

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to go to the doctor.
You have to get you know, these

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pharmaceutical interventions and
these other modalities.

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It's Kind of scary to think how
much we have misplaced our faith

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as a people and as leadership
into the arm of Flesh.

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Okay.
So let me stop you there because

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I want to explore this just for
touch because I'm kind of

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fascinated by this.
So um Artie.

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Are you saying that we should
you know not use.

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Doctors at all.
No, not at all.

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Okay, we should.
Yeah I mean for instance, if I

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get in a car accident tomorrow,
if I'm driving down I-15, and

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somebody some idiot Cuts me off
or whatever, and I get in a

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wreck, never happened in Utah.
We're all golden people fright,

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right?
I sure hope that we ambulance

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comes.
And, you know, puts me back

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together.
Takes me to the ER, like, like

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that is I think the, the quality
of Western medicine in as far as

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like treating acute Injuries and
Trauma is unparalleled in

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recorded history and I think
that that's a gift.

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And a blessing that has
preserved a lot of people's

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lives.
There's a difference though

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between, you know, acute trauma
treatment versus Health, right?

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And and I think that anybody
that just thinks that oh well I

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have this pain, I go to the
doctor.

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And I take this pill and that'll
make me healthy because the

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pains gone, I think that that
has some problematic

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implications and it's not
necessarily the sinful, it's

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just It's hacking at the
branches of problems rather than

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addressing the roots, which
tree.

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It's really, we need to do
treating the symptoms.

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Nothing.
Not the issue.

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Yeah, you know a lot of the the
illness that's in the world.

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Today is a matter of, you know,
like in the section 88 or 89.

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Excuse me, the word of wisdom,
it talks about.

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I give you these words of wisdom
not by commandment, but to be to

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warn you because there will be
evil and conspiring men in the

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Last days, like it literally
says that in section, 89 her

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sickening, three or four.
And so like in consequence of

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that God has warned us and given
us some principles and, you

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know, ultimately most of the
illness in our modern society.

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Our modern culture is man-made
either.

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Either our own faults because we
don't take good care of

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ourselves.
We don't eat healthily like

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according to light knowledge
that we possess we indulge we

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You know, maybe justify the oh
well, I don't have time to and I

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don't have the money to eat
these other things.

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Well, you know, and there could
be some Merit to that.

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I'm not criticizing.
You're condemning any

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individual.
I'm just saying that.

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What is our goal?
I think our goal should be to

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take personal responsibility.
If you don't have the money to

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buy all the organic produce, if
you have a 10 foot by 10 foot

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square, in your garden are in
your backyard, make a garden and

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that's at least cheap and it'll
at least supplement and offset

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some of Of the toxicity and
poisons in the, in the normal

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food that we consume and if we
make that a spiritual Pursuit,

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not just like a temporal focus
of physical, you know, Endeavor

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it the the blessings can be
magnified, you know?

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Many-fold similarly, you know, a
lot of our food supply has been

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basically devalued like the the
nutritional value of produce.

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Even if you just get organic
stuff at the store is The

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fraction of what it was 100
years ago and that's not an

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accident.
That is a consequence of modern

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farming practices.
I mean, I didn't mean to.

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I don't want to go get into the
Weeds on is too much but I've

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done a lot of research into the,
you know, you can use chemical

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fertilizers to produce really,
you know, large high-yield, you

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know, tasty produce, but if It
doesn't have the micro

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nutrition, then it's not going
to do our bodies.

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The the good that it could
happen that it should.

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And that we need, we are very
nutritionally deficient even

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though we are, you know, as a
population, extremely overfed

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and and, you know, OB some
others, a lot of that.

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And, and so, like I say, this is
not something that I am saying

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to condemn anybody in any
individual, but just as

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invitation to say, Physical
health is really important.

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And you know, our bodies are two
vessel for our soul, our spirit.

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And if our bodies are breaking
down and you know, failing on us

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and if they're just chronically
starved of the nutrition that we

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need to actually live at full
functionality, then our Spirits

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are going to be hindered and
hampered.

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Yeah, so I'm glad you did dive
into this because it was

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something I wanted to get into
tonight because Just like you

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pointed out in D and C 89 Joseph
says, you know, through or the

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Lord says through Joseph, you
know to to beware of conspiring

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men in the last days, right?
I don't think there's any

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argument at this point that our
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We, we live in a time now where
you are constantly on the run,

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you were constantly busy and
that sets up perfectly for

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eating like crap right there.
That's just all there is to it

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and people forget that it dis
this experiment that we're doing

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right now with how we're living
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Right?
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those things that we do need to
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note, couple of instances here
when I went down to Nevada,

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First time I went down there.
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I got salmonella bet once, and I
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bad salmonella.
It was like, I think I'm

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checking out kind of bad, right?
Like time to hit that time card

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but because some of the symptoms
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those folks down there, grow
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And I ate that and my gut
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like that.
Lee, likewise just a couple

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weeks ago, I had to go in for a
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And tooth pain sucks.
And if we're feeling like crap

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and if we're not, if we're
constantly in pain that does

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make it a little tough to hear
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And so I think it's really
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temporal and spiritual things as
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If the ultimate goal is to have
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well as Spirit.
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I think we have to start
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whole especially in the last
days, where it's so important

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that we're in tune with the
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And then that's a ways perfectly
into verse 7, which is right

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where we left off.
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shall say, eat drink and be
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And verse 8, there shall also be
many, which shall say, eat drink

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and be merry.
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He will justify and committing a
little sin.

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Ye lie, a little, take the
advantage of one because of his

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words, dig a pit for Thy
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There's no harm in this.
Do all these things for

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tomorrow, we die.
And if it's Be that we are

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guilty.
God will beat us with a few

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Stripes to not.
Last we shall be saved in the

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kingdom of God.
This recklessness is, is

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indicative of deep spiritual
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I mean, the manifestation is
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It's described in more outward
ways, but to me, they're

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symptoms of a much deeper
spiritual problem.

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I think it also speaks and
sorry.

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I think it also speaks really
clearly to what Joseph had

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encountered in his time, right?
If you look at that burned over,

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District, it was a lot of, you
know, just say, you believe in

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Jesus and everything else gets
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Totally.
Yay.

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There shall be many which shall
teach chapter this manner, false

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and Vain and foolish doctrines
and shall be puffed up in their

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hearts and shall seek deep to
hide their councils from the

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Lord and their Works shall be in
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Verse 11.
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They have all gone out of the
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They have become corrupted
because of Pride and because of

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false teachers and false
doctrines, their churches have

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become corrupted and their
churches are lifted up because

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of Pride, they are puffed up.
They robbed the poor because of

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their fine sanctuaries.
They robbed the poor because of

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their fine clothing.
They persecute the meek and the

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poor and heart.
Because in their pride, they are

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puffed up.
They wear stiff necks and high

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heads ye because of Pride and
wickedness and Abominations and

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whoredoms.
They have all gone astray, save

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it be a few who are The Humble
followers of Christ.

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Nevertheless, they are LED that
in many instances.

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They do are because they are
taught by the precepts of men.

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Do the wise and learned the
rich, they that are puffed up in

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the pride of their hearts and
all those who preach false

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doctrines and commit whoredoms.
And pervert the right way of the

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Lord.
Whoa, whoa.

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Whoa, he unto them saith the
Lord God Almighty for, they

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shall be thrust.
Down to Hell.

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Now. it doesn't make sense that
the Lord would Inspire Nephi to

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write this and the Joseph would,
you know, have this record

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preserved for centuries and
bring it forth and condemned the

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people who aren't reading them
Like to me it's just

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self-evident that how could this
be addressing any other group,

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besides the Latter-Day Saints.
Nobody else is reading this

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stuff.
So again, let's get out that

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mirror and see.
How does this apply to me?

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And how can I Repent of my
wickedness?

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Because whoa, whoa, whoa, that's
a big like warning when the the

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word.
Whoa just means watch out, you

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know, be careful, take heed.
And when it's repeated three

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times, Is that should to get our
attention.

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This is serious.
You can say something.

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Yeah, as you were reading that,
I just imagined the, the Wasatch

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Front, right?
I just imagined, you know, you

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just look.
We've become a really prideful

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people, not all of us, but a lot
of us have, right?

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I mean, if you look up and and I
don't, but I don't begrudge

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anybody for having me.
Right?

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Course, I think that it's A
great thing.

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When you've busted your butt and
you've worked hard and that pays

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off even extravagantly.
I don't have an issue with that

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good for you, but when you When
that becomes your identity,

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that's an issue.
When your worth is attached to

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your bank account, you got some
issues and we see, you know, I

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know, plenty of men who are very
wealthy that you'd never know

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it.
Right.

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And I think we have to be
careful not to make those things

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Who We Are.
And then because where your,

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where your treasure is, there
will your heart be.

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And so like if we, if we, if we
allow ourselves to justify

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setting our heart on our riches,
well because I earned them by

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the sweat of my brow.
Like this is mine again, we

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should, it's what it's it would
be well for us to revisit the

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words of King Benjamin where
he's talking about the

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unprofitable servants.
Like, if you could do everything

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all day every day to pay back,
God for your riches, you'd still

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be in Indebted.
Because guess what?

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He gave you the are your the
very air.

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You're breathing to thank him
and to express your gratitude

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came from him.
It's impossible for us to.

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So in noting that the Lord
section, I'm going to just pull

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this up.
So I don't butcher the quote but

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section 59.
Oh no, 58.

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Oh no it was 59 gosh.
Where did it go?

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In nothing that man offend God,
59 verse 21 and in nothing, that

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man offend God, or against none
in his is his wrath Kindle say,

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those who confess not his hand,
in all things, and Obey, not his

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Commandments.
So again, I have no problem with

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riches.
I think that the more wealthy a

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man becomes the greater a
potential.

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He has to be an instrument to
serve his fellow men to build up

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God's Kingdom on the earth.
I mean, I would love to be

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independently wealthy and get
out of all my debt and have, you

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know, the luxury of devoting 80
hours a week towards building

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up, Zion and teaching, and
helping others, you know, if I

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didn't have to worry about
feeding my family, think to me,

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That just opens up doors of
possibility of well how can I

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serve God and how can I serve my
fellow men and be a tool?

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And so again it's just a matter
of where is our heart.

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Now God has never got.
His never tried me with wealth

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so who knows, maybe, maybe I
won't pass the test as well, as

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well, as I think I do right now
in, you know, relative poverty,

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and I'm very grateful.
The Lord has blessed me

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abundantly but he hasn't given
me the test of great wealth yet.

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But I hope that if he ever does,
give me that blessing that I

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will not just go out and, you
know, buy a bigger house and get

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a lot of nice cars.
I mean, not that there's

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anything wrong with luxuries and
the fine things, but if it just,

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it becomes a Temptation a
stumbling block, to put our

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hearts there.
Rather than what we should be

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focused on which is fleeing
Babylon, building up the kingdom

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of God on the earth.
That's what we should be

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concentrating.
All of our time Islands.

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In resources to write and
certainly can't forget the hand

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of Providence that gave us those
blessings.

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Absolutely.
Speaking of behold, in verse 18,

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this is back to second.
If I 28 verse 18 behold that

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great an abominable Church, the
horror of all the Earth must

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come to the Earth in a great
must be the father of for the

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kingdom of the devil must shake.
They which belong to it.

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Must needs be stirred up unto
repentance, verse 24, behold it

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that day.
Shall the devil rage in the

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hearts of the children of men
and stir them up to anger

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against that, which is good.
Speaking of, you know, hate mail

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for standing up for principles.
Right.

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That's that's something that is
inspired by, you know who first

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21 though, I think is a better
description for.

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I guess you could say the body
of most people others will he

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pacified and low them away into
carnal security that they will

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say all is well in Zion ye Zion
prospereth.

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All is well and thus the devil
cheetah their souls and leadeth

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them away, carefully down to
Hell.

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So that to me, pacify it.
What does that word mean?

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In this context, it's just like
he's putting us to sleep.

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He's he's he's saying things in
such a way that will that will

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keep us in action and and carnal
security.

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We think that so everything's
okay.

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Oh it couldn't happen.
You know, maybe there's bad

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things happening in the world
but it couldn't happen here.

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You know, because this is Zion,
you know, with this is where the

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church is Stronghold is and all
that.

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And and that just is coming from
the devil and it's he's cheating

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are Was in leading us carefully
down to Hell.

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If we indulge in those types of
ideas, So, I mean, there's a few

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others.
I guess I'll mention this verse

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22 behold, others, he flattered
at the way Philip.

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Then there's no and he saith
unto them.

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I am no devil for there is none.
Thus, he whispers in their ears

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until he grasps them with his
awful chains from whence.

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There is no Deliverance woe be
unto him.

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That is at ease in Zion woe be
unto him that crieth all is

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well, verses 2425 yea woe be
unto him.

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That harken, a thunder the
precepts of men and danaiah the

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power of God and the gift of the
We ghost, ye woe be unto him

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that saith we have received and
we need no more and in find woe

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unto all those who tremble in
her angry because of the truth

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of God for behold, he that is
built upon the rock receiveth it

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with gladness woe be unto him.
That shall say, we have received

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the word of God.
We need no more of the word of

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God for.
We have enough.

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And I'm just going to pause here
in and just say, just because

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just because the leadership of
the church make changes that's a

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little bit different and
Revelation.

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I mean, we kind of presume that
these changes that may make,

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whether it be to Temples or
missionary ages or meeting

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structures.
Like like all of these changes,

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I've have had friends and family
members, and loved ones.

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Tell our evidence that God is
speaking to the leadership of

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the church and I'm not going to
take away the possibility that

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they that some of those changes
and things are inspired, maybe

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they could be but there's a big
difference between that versus

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Getting angry because of the
truth of God and saying we need.

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No more of the word of God.
The word of God is literally

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explicit.
It's when when a prophet or

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president of the church or
anybody says thus saith the

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Lord.
In my opinion that's when it's

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God speaking.
We don't have to play these

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semantical games of well but
he's you know there was a

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consensus amongst the the
prayer, the first Quorum of The

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Twelve in the first presidency.
And so these These are endorsed

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by the body of the Brethren like
that's fine and that's great and

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that, and they're within their
rights to lead and govern the

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church as in the Lancer to God
for those actions.

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But there's a big difference
between that and just publishing

446
00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:28,700
a thus saith the Lord on To my
servant, you know who fill in

447
00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:32,400
the blank, whoever the name is
and that's something that sadly

448
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,000
has been lacking in the church
for, you know, several

449
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,800
Generations.
Now, I mean, if you ask the

450
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,000
average LDS member, when was the
last time that of thus saith,

451
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:47,700
the Lord Revelation was
received, Yeah, you know, I mean

452
00:27:47,700 --> 00:27:51,600
if you were absolutely I have
and if we're going to be real

453
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,800
honest about it, it's 1889,
right?

454
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,400
It's John Taylor's last
Revelation, that he that

455
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,100
receives from that.
What were your words?

456
00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:08,100
Yep, from that point forward,
there has been no other thus,

457
00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:11,600
saith the Lord Revelations
published, right?

458
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,200
They've they published
proclamations, they have

459
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:19,700
published And a festo's
manifesting manifestos, they

460
00:28:19,700 --> 00:28:24,500
have published, they have made
changes, you know, declarations

461
00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:28,400
but they have not had a thus
saith the Lord Revelation and if

462
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,100
they have and they're
withholding it, well that's a

463
00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:35,000
whole different ball of wax now
that we have to get into ya.

464
00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:39,800
Say, so going back here, verse
32.

465
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:46,900
Woe be unto the Gentiles saith.
The Lord God of hosts or

466
00:28:46,900 --> 00:28:48,400
notwithstanding, I shall
lengthen out.

467
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,500
Mine arm unto them from day to
day.

468
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,100
They will deny me.
Nevertheless, I will be merciful

469
00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:56,800
unto them.
Saith the Lord God if they will

470
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,400
repent.
And ten come unto me for.

471
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,100
My arm is lengthened out all the
day, long safe, Lord, God of

472
00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:06,700
hosts.
So, if anybody listening here, I

473
00:29:06,700 --> 00:29:11,700
mean, I this, I hate to be like
critical or, you know, a Debbie

474
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:18,200
Downer when discussing because
to me the resounding and

475
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,500
recurring message of the Gospel
is, there's always hope.

476
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,100
Now, that may not mean that
there's hope for a group for it,

477
00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:31,300
like an institutional, Sent an
Institutional sense, but there's

478
00:29:31,300 --> 00:29:35,600
always hope individually.
And so to me like if you, if you

479
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,800
look in this mirror and you find
yourself in need of repenting,

480
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,400
even if the church says, you
don't need to repent of this or

481
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,700
that or the other, if the spirit
tells you to please hearken to

482
00:29:47,700 --> 00:29:51,300
the spirit, put don't put your
trust in the Brethren.

483
00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:54,000
Don't put your trust in the
program's of the church, the

484
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:59,900
institution because ultimately,
you know, even if they're

485
00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:03,400
inspired, that's a misplacement
of our faith and our trust, our

486
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,600
trust can only be reliably
placed in God and the spirit

487
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,500
speaks to each person
individually and we all have

488
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,300
this beautiful opportunity.
To repent.

489
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,000
And what that looks like for
every individual.

490
00:30:15,300 --> 00:30:18,900
I'm, I'm not here to say I'm not
here to dictate order to judge

491
00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:21,900
anybody, but it is an important
message.

492
00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:24,600
We can't be ashamed of the
Gospel of Jesus Christ.

493
00:30:24,700 --> 00:30:29,100
These are the words of Christ
through Nephi through Joseph

494
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:35,000
Smith for our day and you know,
we ignore them at our own Peril

495
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,300
so there's always hope let's
just repent.

496
00:30:38,300 --> 00:30:42,800
That's yeah, no.
To go back to what you said.

497
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:46,200
The Lord, there's been several
times in scriptures where the

498
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,600
Lord has had it so to speak with
the people, right?

499
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:54,800
We see it in the Book of Mormon
with the Nephites and I recall

500
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,400
something from Jeremiah where
the Lord, basically tells

501
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,400
Jeremiah stop praying for him
because the hour of judgments

502
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,700
here, there there, I do believe
there's a point of no return at

503
00:31:04,700 --> 00:31:06,000
which the Lord says.
Okay.

504
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,700
All right, here we go.
And judgments come.

505
00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:13,400
Totally.
Well, let's skip ahead.

506
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:17,700
If I haven't persuaded anybody
listening that this is addressed

507
00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:22,100
to the Latter-Day Saints, yet.
Let's try Mormon chapter 8.

508
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:29,000
Okay, and Mormon chapter 8.
Kind of in some ways.

509
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,900
Convenient, condenses second, if
I 28 and makes it much more

510
00:31:32,900 --> 00:31:40,300
direct.
So this basically is talking

511
00:31:40,300 --> 00:31:45,500
about this book, The Book of
Mormon and it's saying that it

512
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:48,600
shall come in a day when there
shall be great pollutions upon

513
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,300
the face of the Earth.
There shall be murders and

514
00:31:51,308 --> 00:31:53,700
robbing and lying deceiving
whoredoms, this isn't Mormon

515
00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:56,100
8:31.
Sorry if I didn't say the first

516
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:59,400
before, perfect and all manner
of Abominations, when there

517
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,700
shall be many who will say do
this or do that, and it matter

518
00:32:01,700 --> 00:32:04,900
if not for the Lord will uphold
such of the last state, but woe

519
00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:07,200
unto such for their in the gall
of bitterness and in the bonds

520
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,000
of iniquity this, this plague of
moral relativism of my truth,

521
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:17,000
rather than God's truth like
this again, really reminiscent

522
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,300
of what we were just reading.
And second, if I chapter 28,

523
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,300
Let's continue on verse 32.
Yeah, it shall come in a day

524
00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:26,100
when there shall be churches,
built up that she'll say come

525
00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:30,400
unto me and for your money, you
shall be forgiven of your sins.

526
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,400
Now we like to point the finger
at Catholics and, you know, the

527
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,200
indulgences and what do you know
as far as that goes?

528
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,600
But how could we have?
Let's, let's pull that mirror

529
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,100
back out and let's take a good
look in the mirror and say, how

530
00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:47,200
could this apply to the
Latter-Day Saints?

531
00:32:47,300 --> 00:32:50,700
You know the church, the
mainstream Church fundamentalist

532
00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:55,600
groups, whatever, who say, you
know, we are The Gatekeepers.

533
00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:00,600
We we you have to receive
ordinances from our legitimate.

534
00:33:00,700 --> 00:33:03,300
He stood line.
And if you don't you can't get

535
00:33:03,300 --> 00:33:05,300
to heaven.
And how do you get us to give

536
00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:08,000
you these priesthood ordinances?
Well, you have to come and you

537
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,100
have to kind of swear fealty to
argue.

538
00:33:10,100 --> 00:33:13,900
No great and wise leader you
have to pay your tithes.

539
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,900
You know, we have these these
kind of criteria.

540
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:21,400
And I'm not saying that that
there should be no criteria, you

541
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:26,300
know, for receiving ordinances.
But to me, the scriptures never

542
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:30,400
talk about the criteria of pay
money or you have to join the

543
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,000
church.
And be faithful active for a

544
00:33:32,008 --> 00:33:33,700
year hit.
Go to all your meetings.

545
00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:36,700
There's there's no that's not
the criteria for receiving

546
00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:40,500
ordinances.
Ultimately the criteria is you

547
00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:46,300
repent of your sins and you
desire baptism and and you know

548
00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:49,700
and then as you learn about
other higher ordinances again

549
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,300
you repent and you desire them
and it is it then becomes the

550
00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:58,200
duty of priests you know bearers
of the priesthood of God.

551
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,000
To administer these ordinances.
And if they withhold, these

552
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:07,000
ordinances, how are we not
condemned by verse 32 of Mormon

553
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,000
chapter 8?
Saying no you have to pay your

554
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,100
money for first.
You have to, you have to come

555
00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:16,500
unto me and join our group, join
our church to join our religious

556
00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:20,699
institution.
That's, that's kind of a has

557
00:34:20,699 --> 00:34:23,500
scary implications, but it's
really important for us to

558
00:34:23,500 --> 00:34:29,800
consider them sure.
So let me Let me push back here

559
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,900
just a little bit on that.
Because when Joseph establishes

560
00:34:33,900 --> 00:34:37,900
the church, he does make the
bold declaration that this is

561
00:34:37,900 --> 00:34:39,900
the only way.
Right?

562
00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:43,800
So there, there was a certain
amount of exclusive exclusivity

563
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,100
that that Joseph talked about
with that.

564
00:34:47,699 --> 00:34:54,400
How do you reconcile the two?
I reconcile the two with.

565
00:34:55,699 --> 00:34:59,600
You know, if I had.
So let's just go back to let's,

566
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,000
let's just pick marriage because
that's a Sacrament.

567
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,900
That's an ordinance.
Sure we Mormonism consider

568
00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:09,400
extremely sacred sure.
You know, in the sacrament or

569
00:35:09,408 --> 00:35:14,800
the ordinance of marriage, there
are certain, you know,

570
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,600
ordinances like the laws and,
you know, think of city

571
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,900
ordinances.
Like, these are the ways that it

572
00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:22,800
must be done.
You know, if the person who is

573
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,300
administering must have been
ordained.

574
00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:28,600
Must have this Authority because
it's spoken in the name of God,

575
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,900
not just not just the name of
Christ is the Father, the Son,

576
00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:37,300
and the Holy Ghost.
So like, we must have their, our

577
00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:42,500
consent, their approval, to be
able to speak these words in

578
00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:45,600
their names, and have them
receive it and recognize it.

579
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:48,000
That is a truth, that's an
eternal principle.

580
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,600
That's that's an ordinance of
God.

581
00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:56,000
However, even if you went to the
special place you, you had a

582
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:01,100
special man, say, all the
special words and then you're a

583
00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:04,400
piece of crap husband, that's
abusive and neglect, your wife

584
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,100
and, you know, and or even if
you're, you know, a provider but

585
00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:11,800
you know, but if you don't build
a Celestial quality relationship

586
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,900
with your wife, do you think
that your wife is going to want

587
00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:18,700
to be with you forever for
eternity?

588
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,700
No, you know.
Yeah without compulsory means I

589
00:36:23,707 --> 00:36:29,600
mean past to be a voluntary
Association and so you know we

590
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:36,300
know that the ordinance is
without the voluntary, you know,

591
00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:40,300
desires are empty on the flip
side.

592
00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:44,500
You look at a man and, you know,
could be a member of the church

593
00:36:44,500 --> 00:36:49,100
could be a total Heathen, right?
If he is a faithful husband, if

594
00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:52,300
he takes Of his wife if they
build a, you know, maybe they're

595
00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:55,400
kind of at a TLS show Law so to
speak.

596
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,900
But but they build a Celestial
quality relationship and in the

597
00:36:58,908 --> 00:37:03,700
next life, they receive the
Gospel and they're like, oh

598
00:37:03,700 --> 00:37:07,400
yeah, we will live those laws
because we want we want to be

599
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,700
together like if there is a true
relationship.

600
00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:14,500
There we have vicarious work for
the dead.

601
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,900
Like it's much easier in other
words to fill in the gaps on

602
00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:21,300
from an ordinary.
Annin spree stood perspective

603
00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:23,900
administering.
Those ordinances then it is to

604
00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:27,200
fill in the gaps of a broken
relationship of a two-tier

605
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,000
estriol or TLS Jewel quality
relationship.

606
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:37,700
And so the god that we worship
is not going to deprive

607
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,200
individuals who live a Celestial
and who form a Celestial quality

608
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,100
marriage, just because they
didn't have an opportunity to

609
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,600
abide by the laws upon which
that blessing is contingent God.

610
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:56,500
I provide away.
So again, My pie.

611
00:37:56,508 --> 00:38:00,600
Guess my point is that, yes,
Christ is the way the truth and

612
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,700
the life.
No man cometh unto the father.

613
00:38:02,700 --> 00:38:07,300
But by him, no man, receiveth or
and woman receiveth the

614
00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:11,400
ordinance of celestial marriage
without abiding, the laws upon

615
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,000
which that blessing is
predicated, but it's much easier

616
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:22,400
to fill in those gaps later than
it is to mend.

617
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:24,700
A TLS Jewel quality.
Ship.

618
00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:29,600
So I guess my point is live the
laws, regardless of whether you

619
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,700
have opportunity.
Now, if you do make those

620
00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:34,100
covenants, if you do have access
and if you have received those

621
00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:37,100
ordinances, those are wonderful,
those are real.

622
00:38:37,100 --> 00:38:41,300
But it doesn't make you any
better than a key than, you

623
00:38:41,300 --> 00:38:44,200
know, couple out in China that
are just scraping by living off

624
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,100
the dirt.
And, and but they have true

625
00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:49,100
relationships that will last an
eternity.

626
00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:53,600
I get does that kind of address
what your what your question

627
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,300
kind of Of.
Yeah.

628
00:38:57,300 --> 00:39:01,500
I was looking at it more from,
you know because because God

629
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:06,000
tells Joseph all the rest of the
churches are an Abomination,

630
00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:06,900
right?
Yeah.

631
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:14,300
So so the Lord and in his in his
opening moments, if you will

632
00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:18,000
with Joseph Smith and his
ministry, make it very clear

633
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,500
that that the rest of them have
gone astray.

634
00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:25,500
We're going to restore what was
there and through Joseph.

635
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:30,700
If there was a certain, you
know, again exclusivity with

636
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,700
with with Joseph, right?
And so I think that that's

637
00:39:36,700 --> 00:39:40,800
important to recognize as well
because I think also is bearers

638
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,800
of the priesthood.
We need to be in a capacity to

639
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,200
where I think we receive
Revelation before some of that,

640
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,000
just gets passed on, you know
what I mean?

641
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,300
Because we are hundred, we We
Are The Gatekeepers there, so to

642
00:39:53,300 --> 00:39:55,500
speak, right?
I mean the Lord.

643
00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:57,500
Lord, I hate using the word
gatekeeper.

644
00:39:57,500 --> 00:39:59,200
That's, that's, that's the wrong
term.

645
00:39:59,500 --> 00:40:01,700
We're responsible for what we
pass on.

646
00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:06,400
And if Abby little, if we pass
that along to someone, who's not

647
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,500
ready, who's not worthy.
Some of their damnation May

648
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:16,700
overflow onto US. if if she
willfully Go against that.

649
00:40:16,700 --> 00:40:21,700
Does that make sense?
I guess to my point, you know if

650
00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:27,400
people have sincerely brought
forth fruits of repentance sure

651
00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:32,500
and and sincerely desire, an
ordinance lay such as baptism or

652
00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:35,000
married or you know a ceiling or
whatever.

653
00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:38,600
I mean I'm not talking about
people who are hiding their

654
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,400
sins.
If people are hiding their sins

655
00:40:40,700 --> 00:40:45,300
and come forth and kind of fake
to that again, though, it does

656
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,700
Acquire the Revelation but
Joseph also ordained a bunch of

657
00:40:49,700 --> 00:40:53,800
Scoundrels in his lifetime.
He gave who ya know, who your

658
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,600
rhino who proved to be absolute,
you know, jackasses and and

659
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,300
that's not I would not
necessarily put that on Joseph's

660
00:41:02,300 --> 00:41:06,000
head, you know, maybe he will
have to account to the Lord if

661
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,600
he did something along those
lines without getting

662
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:15,300
Revelation, but I'm fully I
believe that God is far more

663
00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:16,800
liberal.
And I hate to use the word

664
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,800
because of all the bag page
today the modern baggage.

665
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:24,400
But in a classic sense God gives
freely and you know come without

666
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,500
money, come buy honey without
money without and wine without

667
00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:29,800
price.
Like this is goes back to

668
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,400
second.
If I chapter 9 Christ is the

669
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,100
Holy One of Israel.
He employed and he is The Keeper

670
00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:37,400
of the gate, he employs.
No servant there.

671
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:42,100
Right now again, let's, let's
take a step back and look at

672
00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:43,800
our.
Look at the concept of

673
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,300
priesthood and Authority.
You know, if you think of it as

674
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,000
well, my priesthood.
And I'm going to have to account

675
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,500
account to God for how I use my
priesthood.

676
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:57,800
To me, that is a misplacement of
ownership.

677
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:03,200
It's not my priesthood, it's
God's priesthood and I want to

678
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,200
do what God wants me to do with
his priesthood.

679
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,700
I'm just a Steward.
I'm just a tool I'm you know,

680
00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:12,200
I'm a hollow bone and it's the
spirit of God flowing through me

681
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,100
that has any efficacy
whatsoever.

682
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:22,400
And so You know, if God was to
give me a revelation to

683
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,000
withhold, an ordinance, that's
his prerogative but again that

684
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,600
would be coming from him.
Not me, I'm just the I'm just

685
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,200
the messenger here.
No, no, I'm so we're on the same

686
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,300
page here, death, okay, perfect,
perfect.

687
00:42:35,100 --> 00:42:42,600
And so, like to me, promising
forgiveness of sins for money is

688
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:50,300
is Is very arrogant priest G and
do not get sin.

689
00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:53,600
Its priestcraft.
Yeah, men do not forgive sins.

690
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:59,300
God, does it is our role in it's
our opportunity to lift, you

691
00:42:59,300 --> 00:43:03,700
know, if we look at priesthood
as a as a light to the world, we

692
00:43:03,700 --> 00:43:05,800
shouldn't be hiding it.
Under a bushel, we shouldn't be

693
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,600
burying the talent that God has
given us.

694
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,500
The gift, he's entrust us with.
We should put it on Candlestick

695
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:13,700
that giveth light unto all that
are in the house where the city

696
00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:14,400
on the hill.
Hill.

697
00:43:14,700 --> 00:43:19,300
And if we are playing a
gatekeeper and barring certain

698
00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:24,400
individuals, you know, they may
not be worthy of it but if God,

699
00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:27,800
Authorizes us to administer
ordinances.

700
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,500
That's between them and God.
They'll have to answer, like the

701
00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:34,900
jhansi Bennett's of the world,
like Kane himself.

702
00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:38,200
I actually had a quote, I was
just reading recently that talks

703
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:44,400
about Kane still holds
priesthood but it is a cursing

704
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,400
rather than a blessing to his
soul.

705
00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:56,200
So you know the Lord is far more
liberal generous, then then We

706
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,000
in with in Mormonism kind of
with like because I completely

707
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,000
understand and I had that
Paradigm for most of my life of

708
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,900
kind of, we're special.
We were chosen, we held the

709
00:44:04,900 --> 00:44:08,600
priesthood, it's the one true
priesthood and all these things

710
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,900
and and you know, there is true
law, there's true principles to

711
00:44:13,900 --> 00:44:20,100
that but it cannot be used as a
tool to control or deprive.

712
00:44:20,100 --> 00:44:25,900
Others know it's cool to bless
and to say, come Yeah, I guess

713
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:28,800
that was that was the point
where I was making, there was

714
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,000
that we need to make sure that
we're getting Revelation on on

715
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:38,700
these things or else we put
ourselves in Jeopardy.

716
00:44:39,500 --> 00:44:43,200
Also, I would say this, you
know, maybe there is a reason

717
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,000
why the Lord would say, yeah if
he's not worthy but go ahead,

718
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,300
right?
Maybe you know, it's an

719
00:44:49,300 --> 00:44:52,700
opportunity for him to either
shape up or condemn himself.

720
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,100
Oh, yeah.
And I think that's the key that

721
00:44:56,100 --> 00:44:59,000
life is a test.
God never deprives a man or

722
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,500
woman of our agency, and many
are called few are chosen.

723
00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:05,700
Why are they not chosen?
Because their hearts are set so

724
00:45:05,700 --> 00:45:07,900
much upon the things of this
world and aspire to the honors

725
00:45:07,900 --> 00:45:11,400
of men.
And and so they forget that just

726
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,700
because you're ordained to the
priesthood.

727
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,600
Doesn't give you license to
speak in the name of God and

728
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,000
God's going to uphold it.
No.

729
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,700
That gives you the burden of
responsibility to obtain the

730
00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:26,000
mind and will of God.
And then Deliver it right and

731
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,800
you know Joseph talked about how
the closer he gets to Christ.

732
00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:36,800
The more he desires to put
others on his back and carry

733
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:42,300
them into the kingdom and to me
that's like that's that's the

734
00:45:42,300 --> 00:45:47,100
ultimate embodiment of
christ-like attribute is am I

735
00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:53,000
willing to maybe even pay a
price for somebody else's sins

736
00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:55,500
that?
That that that I had nothing to

737
00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:58,500
do with.
I mean, that's what Christ did.

738
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:03,600
And I think that Joseph, that's
to me a great marker of that.

739
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,100
He was approaching that
christ-like perspective and that

740
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:09,000
was kind of towards the end of
his ministry and all of you

741
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,700
period.
Yeah, yeah.

742
00:46:10,700 --> 00:46:12,600
No, I think we're on the same
page here.

743
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,700
I was just dive in a little
deeper on that.

744
00:46:16,100 --> 00:46:17,100
Absolutely.
What?

745
00:46:17,100 --> 00:46:22,900
One of the things that I I think
that definitely the LDS church

746
00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:27,600
has has messed up, is this idea
of we're just just work the

747
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,100
plan, right?
Just work.

748
00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:34,300
The plant, get born.
Receive a name and a blessing.

749
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:39,900
If you're a male move up through
the priesthood ranks serving,

750
00:46:39,900 --> 00:46:44,400
those areas and there's it's
definitely a plan now, right,

751
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,600
there's not much Revelation
left.

752
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,700
It to those things, right?
It's well look, who's 12 or

753
00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:52,600
look.
Who's going to be turning 12?

754
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,300
Let's get him in here for a
deacons interview and as long as

755
00:46:56,300 --> 00:46:58,800
they say, the right things,
they're going to get the

756
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:05,600
priesthood and And I don't think
working a plan can ever replace

757
00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:10,700
revelation.
Amen.

758
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,600
Yeah, it I I would call that
like programs.

759
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,200
There's a lot of programs
programming in the church and

760
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:22,400
that is not a replacement for
personal connection to heaven

761
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:26,200
for personal conversion.
And I think that the the

762
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,900
disaffection rates within the
church, these days are a

763
00:47:29,908 --> 00:47:35,100
testament to the the in efficacy
of the inadequacy of these

764
00:47:35,100 --> 00:47:38,000
programs.
They can't replace true

765
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,000
conversion.
Right?

766
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,500
Shannon, and keeping someone
busy is not the same as having a

767
00:47:43,508 --> 00:47:45,200
testimony.
Those are two different things

768
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,800
as well.
Totally, totally keeping all

769
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:54,800
along Mormon 8:33.
Oh, you Wicked and perverse and

770
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,500
stiff-necked people.
Why have you built up churches

771
00:47:57,500 --> 00:48:01,000
unto yourselves to get game?
Why have you transfigured, the

772
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,700
holy word of God that you might
bring damnation upon your souls

773
00:48:04,100 --> 00:48:06,300
behold.
You look ye unto the revelations

774
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:09,100
of God for behold the time
cometh that that day when all

775
00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:13,800
These things must be fulfilled,
behold the Lord, hath shown unto

776
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,800
me, great and marvelous things
concerning that, which must

777
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,200
shortly come at that day when
these things shall come forth.

778
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,700
Among you behold, I speak unto
you as if you were present and

779
00:48:22,700 --> 00:48:26,100
yet ye are not.
But behold, Jesus Christ.

780
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:29,300
Hath shown you unto me and I
know you're doing, okay?

781
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,100
He is a, he's breaking the
fourth wall, he is directly

782
00:48:33,100 --> 00:48:37,300
addressed seeing you me and
everybody that's reading this

783
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,400
and he's not addressing the
Catholics the Protestants that

784
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,300
the Buddhist that are not
reading this book.

785
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,500
And I know that you do walk in
the pride of your hearts and

786
00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:51,400
there are none, save a few only
who do not lift themselves up in

787
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,400
the pride of their hearts into
the wearing of very fine,

788
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,400
apparel and to envying and
strife, Saint Alice, and

789
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,300
persecutions and all manner of
inequities in your churches.

790
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,200
Yeah, even everyone have become
polluted because of the pride of

791
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,200
your hearts for behold.
You do love money and your

792
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,600
substance in your fine apparel
and the adorning of your

793
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:12,000
churches more than you love the
poor and the needy the sick and

794
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,300
The Afflicted OU pollutions ye
hypocrites.

795
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,100
Teachers, who sell yourselves
for that?

796
00:49:17,100 --> 00:49:20,000
Which will conquer.
Why have you polluted the Holy

797
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,500
Church of God?
Who thinks that they're the Holy

798
00:49:24,500 --> 00:49:29,700
Church of God, just every single
Mormon in the world, you know,

799
00:49:29,700 --> 00:49:32,200
they think that they're, they're
part of the Holy Church of God.

800
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,500
Well, how do you get around the
fact that he's addressing you

801
00:49:35,500 --> 00:49:37,800
and saying, why have you
polluted this holy church?

802
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,900
Why are you ashamed to take upon
you the name of Christ?

803
00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:42,800
Why do you not think that
graders the value of an endless

804
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,900
happiness than that misery?
Which Never Dies because of the

805
00:49:44,900 --> 00:49:49,000
praise of the world?
Why do you Adorn yourselves with

806
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:49,600
that?
Which hath?

807
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,500
No life.
And yet suffer the hungry and

808
00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:54,500
the needy and the naked and the
sick and The Afflicted to pass

809
00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:55,900
by you and notice them.
Not.

810
00:49:56,500 --> 00:49:58,600
Yay.
Why do you build up your secret

811
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,400
Abominations to get gain and
cause that widows should mourn

812
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,200
before the Lord and also orphans
to mourn before the Lord and

813
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,500
also the blood of their fathers
and their husbands to cry unto

814
00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:09,300
the Lord from the ground for
vengeance.

815
00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:12,800
Upon your heads, Behold The
Sword of Vengeance, hangeth over

816
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,500
you in the time soon cometh that
he avenges the blood of the

817
00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:18,300
Saints upon you.
For he will not suffer their

818
00:50:18,300 --> 00:50:25,800
cries any longer You know,
Joseph gave a talk in Nauvoo and

819
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:31,200
he said search your hearts and
see if you were like God I have

820
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,400
searched mine and feel to repent
of all my sins.

821
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,200
That's to me the big takeaway
here, pull out that mirror.

822
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:47,500
See how this applies to me, to
my church, to my leaders to my

823
00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:53,600
heart.
And Yield to that spirit and

824
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,200
humble ourselves and repent, to
me, that's the big message here.

825
00:51:02,700 --> 00:51:05,300
These are tricky versus to work
with and I'm going to tell you

826
00:51:05,300 --> 00:51:08,900
why.
Because as we look at them,

827
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:15,500
right, if we feel like we're
doing what we're supposed to and

828
00:51:15,500 --> 00:51:20,500
we're, we're, we're supposed to
be the still says that, you

829
00:51:20,500 --> 00:51:26,800
know, That that maybe we're
coming up short.

830
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:31,400
Right.
And to me, I think the message

831
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,400
of this and second Nephi that we
just read is what my football

832
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:41,700
coach used to tell me, right?
Which is we would walk in after

833
00:51:41,700 --> 00:51:46,100
just a dominating game.
I mean don't we could we could

834
00:51:46,100 --> 00:51:50,800
have ran the score up 56.
Nothing and I promise you he

835
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:55,500
would have found something.
To complain about and bring us

836
00:51:55,500 --> 00:52:01,300
back down a little bit.
And I think that this, this is

837
00:52:01,300 --> 00:52:04,500
like the coach saying, yeah, you
might be doing, okay?

838
00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:07,200
But gosh, you could clean this
up and, you know, you could have

839
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:12,000
could have got a block here or
you ran that route wrong or

840
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,900
maybe in a gospel sense.
You know, you could have helped

841
00:52:14,900 --> 00:52:17,400
out more, you could have done,
X, Y, and Z.

842
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,400
I think the thing that that we
need to take away from this is

843
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,600
that we're never done,
improving.

844
00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:27,500
We're never done the second.
We think we have it figured out.

845
00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:30,100
Two things are about to happen,
either.

846
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,900
We fulfilled our mission here on
the earth and we've done way

847
00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:36,000
better than we thought.
And we're about to expire or

848
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,400
were about to be humbled and
nine times out of 10.

849
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,600
It's the ladder.
Totally.

850
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:51,600
Yeah.
And so like I think that I think

851
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:57,300
that what I'd like to do is pull
in some quotes from Joseph and

852
00:52:57,300 --> 00:53:01,000
from from from church history.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

853
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:06,600
And and you know maybe expound
on some of them but just let

854
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,300
these a lot of these Ideas
principles, speak for

855
00:53:10,300 --> 00:53:19,600
themselves.
So this is From 1836 Orson, hide

856
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,700
wrote a prophetic warning.
It was edited and published by

857
00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:28,600
Oliver cowdery July 1836.
It says, this many are

858
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,300
flattering themselves with the
expectation that all the world

859
00:53:31,300 --> 00:53:34,200
is going to be converted and
brought into the Ark of Safety.

860
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,000
Thus the great Millennium in
their opinion is to be

861
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,900
established vain delusive
expectation.

862
00:53:41,500 --> 00:53:44,900
The Savior said to his disciples
that as it was in the days of

863
00:53:44,900 --> 00:53:45,400
Noah.
So shall it?

864
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,700
Be also Also, in the days of the
coming of the son of man.

865
00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:50,600
Again he said as it was in the
days of lot.

866
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,700
So shall it be in the days of
the coming of the son of man.

867
00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:57,400
Query, we're all people
converted in the days of Noah

868
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,000
were mostly destroyed.
Were the cities of Sodom and

869
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,800
Gomorrah saved, or destroyed in
the days of lot.

870
00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:06,500
The answers to these questions
are familiar to almost every

871
00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:08,400
person in further.
Comment is unnecessary.

872
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,300
The prime, cause of all these
calamities coming on the earth,

873
00:54:11,300 --> 00:54:15,500
is the apostasy of the church if
the church was, all right.

874
00:54:15,700 --> 00:54:17,100
Aegis.
They could save the nation's

875
00:54:17,100 --> 00:54:20,100
from destruction, but the salt
has lost its Savor and all men

876
00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:22,200
seem determined to pursue their
own course.

877
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:32,300
You know, I that is so.
That's so indicative of a lot of

878
00:54:32,300 --> 00:54:38,400
what the early leaders talked
about because when you go back,

879
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:43,600
well let me rephrase this as
we're taught a lot of times.

880
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:47,700
It's we're God's special people,
and we're over here and and

881
00:54:47,700 --> 00:54:50,800
we're blessed and we just do
these things and we're okay.

882
00:54:52,300 --> 00:54:55,500
For the Pharisees somewhat.
Yeah.

883
00:54:57,300 --> 00:55:01,200
But if you look at what those
early found, those early church

884
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:09,100
leader said it was hey, be on
guard, understand we can fall

885
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:16,200
And some went so far as to
prophesy that that the mother

886
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:22,200
Church would fall, right?
I think of what was it?

887
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,400
What I think it was Taylor.
I could be wrong.

888
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,900
So, please don't quote me on the
source, but there was a prophecy

889
00:55:29,900 --> 00:55:33,100
made that said, that one day,
you'll walk down Salt Lake, and

890
00:55:33,100 --> 00:55:36,100
you won't be able to tell a
priesthood holder from what they

891
00:55:36,100 --> 00:55:38,900
refer to as a gentile.
Right?

892
00:55:38,900 --> 00:55:44,700
You just it was going to be so
polluted that that was going to

893
00:55:44,707 --> 00:55:53,500
happen.
Yeah, sorry.

894
00:55:54,100 --> 00:55:56,000
I think the connection my bat a
little bit right thing.

895
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,100
Oh, it was going to be so bad.
I think is what you were saying?

896
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:01,100
Yeah.
Yeah.

897
00:56:01,100 --> 00:56:04,500
He just said yeah.
It those early church leaders

898
00:56:04,500 --> 00:56:08,500
and you're stood that just
because they were in the church

899
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:15,700
did was not a guarantee. that
the church couldn't fail as its

900
00:56:15,700 --> 00:56:23,800
mission and some even prophesied
to say that that it would Yeah,

901
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:29,400
well and let me maybe make a
distinction here because we tip

902
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:35,200
we tend to refer to the church
as kind of an all-inclusive term

903
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,100
in in the days of Joseph, the
church.

904
00:56:38,100 --> 00:56:42,400
And the priesthood were kind of
distinct in the minds of people

905
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,400
like the proof.
For instance, the priesthood was

906
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:49,300
restored and Men held the
priesthood before the church was

907
00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:54,100
organized, Now, you know,
section 10 of the Doctrine, and

908
00:56:54,100 --> 00:56:57,800
Covenants, versus 67-68 talks
about how all, who come into me

909
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,000
and repent of their sins.
The same as my church, anyone

910
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,400
who declares more or less than
this is not of me and is against

911
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:03,900
me.
Therefore, he's not at my church

912
00:57:04,100 --> 00:57:07,500
so you could make the argument
that, you know, the church

913
00:57:07,500 --> 00:57:11,800
pre-existed, but not the formal
institution, you know, there's

914
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,800
the church which is the pure in
heart, the Church of the Lamb,

915
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,400
people who are serving Christ,
even if they haven't received

916
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,400
ordinances and then you have the
formal organization of the The

917
00:57:21,408 --> 00:57:24,900
church which is which was
established in 1830, the

918
00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:29,900
priesthood can exist outside of
a formal organization

919
00:57:29,900 --> 00:57:36,100
organization of the church.
Now in addition to that, The

920
00:57:36,100 --> 00:57:40,100
Doctrine and Covenants, refers
to at least two different

921
00:57:40,100 --> 00:57:43,200
churches.
It refers to the general

922
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:47,500
assembly of the Church of Christ
and it refers to the Church of

923
00:57:47,500 --> 00:57:50,500
the firstborn.
Now, that phrase Church of the

924
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:52,400
firstborn.
When I first started seeing that

925
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,800
noticing that as I was reading
the Doctrine and Covenants.

926
00:57:55,200 --> 00:58:00,200
It kind, I got it, got me
thinking like, what's that and

927
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,700
it took me some time.
Oh, you know what?

928
00:58:03,500 --> 00:58:05,500
So I have these working these
quotes organized

929
00:58:05,500 --> 00:58:08,400
chronologically.
So as we started in 1836, I

930
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,600
thought that was a good segue to
you know, transition from these

931
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:19,200
prophecies that to me are very
perilous into the church.

932
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,800
These are warnings that the
church must repent and if we

933
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,900
don't we'll be destroyed along
with their all the rest of the

934
00:58:23,908 --> 00:58:26,100
Gentiles while the rest for the
wicked.

935
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,600
And so just chronologically, I'd
like to go through a few of

936
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,900
these and feel free to like we
can discuss.

937
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,600
And comment on them as we go
through.

938
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:40,200
But I want to lay a really solid
foundation for some kind of

939
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,200
principles that we'll get to in
a bit.

940
00:58:43,100 --> 00:58:49,100
In 1839, Joseph in July, 1839
Joseph Smith, said quote, if

941
00:58:49,100 --> 00:58:52,500
there is no change of
ordinances, there is no change

942
00:58:52,500 --> 00:58:57,800
of priesthood.
I know where you're going.

943
00:58:59,500 --> 00:59:05,100
So now this was in 1839, this
was prior to Joseph

944
00:59:05,100 --> 00:59:08,200
administering, you know, the
endowments, the higher, you

945
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,300
know, the higher ordinances they
had done Washings and anointings

946
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:15,600
in the Kirtland Temple, but they
hadn't done the full, you know,

947
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,700
first and second endowments at
this point in history.

948
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,800
And and so if there's no change
of ordinances, there's no change

949
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:28,900
of priesthood.
Joseph also describes Well, let

950
00:59:28,900 --> 00:59:30,500
me just keep going
chronologically.

951
00:59:30,900 --> 00:59:35,800
Okay to that 1840.
Now, this is in Nauvoo October

952
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:40,300
5th, 1840 Joseph Smith says, the
Power Glory and blessings of the

953
00:59:40,300 --> 00:59:43,000
priesthood could not continue
with those who received

954
00:59:43,100 --> 00:59:45,600
ordination only as their
righteousness.

955
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:49,400
Continued for Cain, also being
authorized to offer sacrifice,

956
00:59:49,500 --> 00:59:52,700
but not offering it in
righteousness, was cursed it

957
00:59:52,700 --> 00:59:55,500
signifies, then that the
ordinance is must be kept in the

958
00:59:55,500 --> 00:59:57,500
very way, God has appointed
Today.

959
00:59:57,500 --> 01:00:00,400
Otherwise, their priesthood will
prove a cursing, instead of a

960
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:05,400
blessing.
So again, change ordinances,

961
01:00:05,900 --> 01:00:11,000
change priesthood.
Change ordinances priesthood

962
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,500
becomes a curse.
Instead of a blessing they have

963
01:00:14,500 --> 01:00:17,700
to be kept in the very way.
God appoints 1841 Joseph and

964
01:00:17,700 --> 01:00:22,100
this is December. 19th 1841.
Joseph Smith says, the reason we

965
01:00:22,100 --> 01:00:25,800
do not have the secrets of the
Lord revealed unto us is because

966
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:27,900
we do not keep them but reveal
them.

967
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,500
We do not keep our own Secrets
but reveal our difficulties to

968
01:00:31,500 --> 01:00:32,800
the world.
Even to our enemies.

969
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,400
Then how could we keep the
secrets of the Lord?

970
01:00:35,900 --> 01:00:37,600
I can keep a secret till
Doomsday.

971
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:44,900
Now there is a, you know,
there's a difference between

972
01:00:45,500 --> 01:00:50,700
keeping things secret or working
in darkness so to speak versus

973
01:00:50,900 --> 01:00:57,300
keeping sacred things to
ourselves, you know in you know

974
01:00:57,300 --> 01:01:00,000
that's this is actually one of
the favorite accusations, the

975
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,400
the polygamy, deniers, who
claimed that Joseph wasn't a

976
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,900
polygamist, didn't teach or
practice polygamy and it all

977
01:01:04,900 --> 01:01:06,700
came from Brigham, bring them
was a key.

978
01:01:06,700 --> 01:01:08,100
And Joseph was, you know,
whatever.

979
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:12,500
Or like that.
They like to point to these

980
01:01:12,500 --> 01:01:16,300
public denials that Joseph made
as well.

981
01:01:16,300 --> 01:01:23,600
He, he either was a liar or he
was telling the truth and he

982
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,500
can't, you know, he wouldn't be
a liar but he would make public

983
01:01:26,500 --> 01:01:28,500
denials.
And what's interesting is it's

984
01:01:28,500 --> 01:01:31,500
about these public denials are
very carefully worded, they

985
01:01:31,500 --> 01:01:35,400
definitely publicly deny the
charges of adultery whoredoms,

986
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,100
and all that.
And, you know, Joseph will say

987
01:01:38,300 --> 01:01:40,600
Things like I can only find one
wife.

988
01:01:41,500 --> 01:01:44,300
I think he was playing a little
bit of semantics there, but the

989
01:01:44,300 --> 01:01:47,600
thing is, I don't believe for
one second.

990
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:52,900
That that makes him a liar
because in 1828, Daniel Webster,

991
01:01:52,900 --> 01:01:58,200
wrote a dictionary that became
kind of the definitive capture

992
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,100
of the English language.
What words meant in the days of

993
01:02:01,100 --> 01:02:04,300
the 1830s and 40s?
We don't have to guess, we don't

994
01:02:04,300 --> 01:02:08,400
we don't have to have, you know,
modern recency bias and And

995
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:12,500
think that what we understand
the word to mean is, how it was

996
01:02:12,500 --> 01:02:18,500
understood in those days.
Now, in the 1828 dictionary, it

997
01:02:18,500 --> 01:02:23,700
talks about lying in the context
of if you withhold information

998
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:29,400
from somebody who has a right to
that information, that would be

999
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,800
a lie.
Well, did the public have a

1000
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:37,900
right to all of the details of
Joseph personal life at that

1001
01:02:37,900 --> 01:02:40,000
point?
The answer is self-evidently.

1002
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,300
No.
And so like to me it's just a

1003
01:02:42,308 --> 01:02:45,700
total straw man.
Argument to say that will Joseph

1004
01:02:45,700 --> 01:02:48,200
Smith was a liar if you if he
was a polygamist.

1005
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:52,900
No, he was protecting the
sanctity of his delicate and

1006
01:02:53,100 --> 01:02:59,300
sacred and you know, very risky
from a public perspective

1007
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,900
relationships with his plural
wives.

1008
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,600
I mean, ultimately it is what
got him killed.

1009
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:09,500
So he had grounds for concern
that the These things should get

1010
01:03:09,500 --> 01:03:11,300
out and get into the wrong
hands.

1011
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:16,900
And so the, you know, again,
terms of said he could keep his

1012
01:03:16,900 --> 01:03:20,800
secret till doomsday, that's I
think why God revealed so much

1013
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:24,400
to him is because he wouldn't
run his mouth, right?

1014
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,700
Yeah, so I want to go back to
something here because we're not

1015
01:03:29,700 --> 01:03:33,400
going to avoid the elephant in
the room here, right?

1016
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:43,900
Let me say this first that I got
news that the temple ordinances

1017
01:03:43,900 --> 01:03:46,500
were going to be changed the
morning.

1018
01:03:46,500 --> 01:03:50,400
It happened about about 4:30 in
the morning.

1019
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:56,500
I received an email From.
Somebody will just leave it

1020
01:03:56,500 --> 01:03:59,700
there that those were going to
be changed and I had a little

1021
01:03:59,700 --> 01:04:02,200
heads-up on what the changes
were going to be.

1022
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:09,600
I want to focus on this change.
The ordinance change the

1023
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:14,300
priesthood sort of thing because
I think it ties in very closely

1024
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:20,600
with and you know, and X kind of
Prophecy.

1025
01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:23,600
Right.
Isaiah speaks to it.

1026
01:04:26,900 --> 01:04:31,500
I understand that there are many
people out there who have

1027
01:04:31,500 --> 01:04:36,000
nothing, but good things to say
about these changes, right?

1028
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:37,900
It made him feel good.
It made them.

1029
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:44,900
It made it easier to digest.
Just because something feels

1030
01:04:44,900 --> 01:04:48,700
good and this is kind of a
foreign concept to, to, to a lot

1031
01:04:48,700 --> 01:04:54,200
of Mormons just because it gives
you the warm fuzzies doesn't

1032
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,600
always mean it's the, the spirit
right?

1033
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:01,300
That can be your own biased at
some time.

1034
01:05:02,500 --> 01:05:08,300
So, we have to be very careful.
Joseph made it clear that the

1035
01:05:08,300 --> 01:05:12,800
Lord had spoken to him when he
said those things weren't

1036
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:17,900
supposed to be changed.
And now that they've changed.

1037
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:19,800
What do you think that means
Taylor?

1038
01:05:23,300 --> 01:05:29,400
I think that a lot of the
changes, Over the history

1039
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:33,100
because this, this is just the
most recent in a long line of

1040
01:05:33,100 --> 01:05:37,800
changes over the years, over the
generations, hmm, you know, you

1041
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:42,400
know, there are certain I would
say, false Traditions amongst

1042
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,400
fundamentalist.
Now fundamentalists, I think are

1043
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:49,100
very, you know, logically
consistent and sincere in their

1044
01:05:49,100 --> 01:05:52,800
desires to preserve things.
Exactly how they were but

1045
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:57,200
sometimes the the Traditions can
get in the way of the

1046
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:58,100
principles.
Yes.

1047
01:05:58,500 --> 01:06:04,000
And to me, I believe that, you
know, for instance the Garment I

1048
01:06:04,008 --> 01:06:07,900
don't have it right with me.
But but the Garment and this may

1049
01:06:07,900 --> 01:06:10,900
be news for some of the LDS
audience that's listening here,

1050
01:06:11,500 --> 01:06:17,400
the the marks of the Garment are
the Garment and it's not just

1051
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:22,300
the shape, it's the fact that
they were cut, so the Garment is

1052
01:06:22,300 --> 01:06:27,500
a representation of making a
covenant in in in in the Hebrew

1053
01:06:27,500 --> 01:06:29,500
language.
When you say you make a

1054
01:06:29,500 --> 01:06:32,300
covenant, that's actually a
mistranslation.

1055
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,600
It's that's an English version
of the Hebrew original, which is

1056
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,300
you cut a covenant.
Covenants are cut.

1057
01:06:38,300 --> 01:06:42,100
You know, Abraham, when he
covenanted with the father, he

1058
01:06:42,300 --> 01:06:44,300
literally cut.
Can't remember.

1059
01:06:44,300 --> 01:06:46,900
It was a bullock or some kind of
an animal into pieces.

1060
01:06:46,900 --> 01:06:54,100
He walked through the severed
animal into pieces as at to, to

1061
01:06:54,100 --> 01:06:58,400
enter into this Covenant
relationship with God that That

1062
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:03,600
the symbolism of cutting is
really important.

1063
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:07,300
The other thing is the the, you
know, the marks of the veil like

1064
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:11,800
like that correspond with the
Garment, when, when the marks of

1065
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:15,500
the Garment are cut, that is
symbolic of us having the

1066
01:07:15,500 --> 01:07:19,200
ability to pierce the veil to
community Through The Veil when

1067
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:23,900
those cuts are just embroidery
or just a, like, a stamp of, you

1068
01:07:23,900 --> 01:07:26,900
know, on a mark on a piece of
cloth.

1069
01:07:27,900 --> 01:07:31,600
Lose all of that symbolism or
perhaps you have a different

1070
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:36,100
type of symbolism, which is that
you can't Pierce the Veil.

1071
01:07:36,100 --> 01:07:40,000
You are not capable, you are
barred from being able to

1072
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:45,800
commune through the veil and so.
But to me, those marks are what

1073
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:50,100
constitute the Garment, not
necessarily the design because,

1074
01:07:50,100 --> 01:07:52,000
you know, the original garment
had a caller.

1075
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:56,400
The original garment was risk to
ankles and, you know, I think

1076
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,700
there's Beauty to and that Is
tied.

1077
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:02,100
You know, it wasn't just like a
two-piece that you'd put on a

1078
01:08:02,107 --> 01:08:04,000
T-shirt and then pull on your
bottoms.

1079
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:09,600
It was a it was one piece and it
had ties across the center in

1080
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:13,800
the front.
And, you know, this is all it,

1081
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:17,800
you can Google it.
I mean I I'm not sharing

1082
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:21,700
anything I'm under covenant not
to disclose guess know they do.

1083
01:08:21,700 --> 01:08:25,300
I go down there.
I don't think you are, I don't

1084
01:08:25,300 --> 01:08:25,899
think.
Yeah.

1085
01:08:26,300 --> 01:08:29,200
And and so I Wanna shoot some of
these things.

1086
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:33,500
Just for the sake of both, our
LDS audience to understand how

1087
01:08:33,500 --> 01:08:39,000
much has changed because you
know I knew when I was a kid, my

1088
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,300
grandpa had this what they call
it like the unit.

1089
01:08:42,300 --> 01:08:44,700
Like I can't remember what they
called it but it was like a one

1090
01:08:44,700 --> 01:08:47,600
piece but it was shorts and had
the short sleeves and it had,

1091
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:53,100
you know, zipper and stuff.
And but that was a variation in

1092
01:08:53,100 --> 01:08:55,300
iteration after the original as
well.

1093
01:08:55,700 --> 01:08:58,300
But for my for are
fundamentalist, folks, That are

1094
01:08:58,300 --> 01:09:01,200
listening to this call.
There's a gentleman by the name

1095
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:06,600
of Joseph white muster who's
pretty kind of prominent and

1096
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:11,700
well-respected for good reason.
He was a great man and he wrote

1097
01:09:11,700 --> 01:09:13,600
in his journal, something really
interesting.

1098
01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:18,500
He said that people could use
whatever they wanted.

1099
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:26,399
They had this unit something as
like a shooter I'm blinking on

1100
01:09:26,399 --> 01:09:29,600
the word but they like back in
the Days, they had this, you

1101
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:33,200
know, long thermal underwear,
you know, that the end and he's

1102
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,300
like, you could use one of those
suits and if you cut the marks

1103
01:09:36,300 --> 01:09:40,899
in that would be just as valid
of a garment as whatever, and,

1104
01:09:40,899 --> 01:09:42,600
and this comes from Joseph white
muster.

1105
01:09:42,899 --> 01:09:45,000
And I think he later changed his
perspective on that.

1106
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,600
But, but again, this is this is
one of the things that he

1107
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:52,000
recorded in his journal because
it was causing a big hullabaloo

1108
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:55,500
in the 1920s amongst some
circles within the church.

1109
01:09:55,600 --> 01:10:00,000
When Heber J, Grant Change the
pattern of the Garland.

1110
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:04,000
And and so I just thought that
was really interesting to kind

1111
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:08,300
of give perspective for both the
LDS listeners as well as our

1112
01:10:08,300 --> 01:10:10,000
fun.
Any fundamentalist listeners

1113
01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:13,900
that to me, the takeaway is
this, the principle of the

1114
01:10:13,900 --> 01:10:17,100
Garment is it is.
It's the clothing of skins.

1115
01:10:17,100 --> 01:10:19,800
It's a representation of God
giving us a shield and a

1116
01:10:19,808 --> 01:10:25,400
protection through mortal life,
and it's the marks that are the

1117
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:30,300
point and the rest of the
pattern, I mean, there's Beauty.

1118
01:10:30,300 --> 01:10:33,600
I actually love the original
pattern of the Garment and I

1119
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,300
think it's beautiful and
meaningful and all of that.

1120
01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:39,000
But I don't think it's the one
true garment.

1121
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,600
I mean, and there's records that
the caller was an innovation

1122
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,300
from Emma because some of the
sisters approach her like, well

1123
01:10:45,300 --> 01:10:47,800
how do we finish the top around
the neck and she just was like,

1124
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:51,100
well just I guess put a collar
on, but that wasn't like the

1125
01:10:51,100 --> 01:10:56,300
angel commanded Emma to put a
collar on the original or, you

1126
01:10:56,300 --> 01:11:04,100
know, those types of things. so
I, you know, it maybe this might

1127
01:11:04,100 --> 01:11:10,100
just be me but I tend to To go
back and look very carefully.

1128
01:11:10,100 --> 01:11:14,300
History on why they did what
they did because they didn't

1129
01:11:14,300 --> 01:11:16,600
live in a time.
Like we do now.

1130
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:21,600
We're convenience was a thing,
right?

1131
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:25,900
So most of the things that they
did were very, very deliberate

1132
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:30,100
and it had very, very a lot of
significance.

1133
01:11:30,500 --> 01:11:35,500
And so when we talk about
things, like the Garment, I tend

1134
01:11:35,500 --> 01:11:39,400
to be like, if we can go Back to
what was originally revealed.

1135
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,200
I think we're going to be better
off, right?

1136
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:44,400
There's a reason they did what
they did now, my mom.

1137
01:11:44,900 --> 01:11:48,200
Yeah, I just tend to always
think that the waters are purest

1138
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:51,000
at their source so that's where
I tend to go.

1139
01:11:52,100 --> 01:11:55,600
Absolutely.
But I think it gets even worse

1140
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,700
than just the Garment.
Right?

1141
01:11:58,100 --> 01:12:00,500
I guess that was, I was like,
starting point.

1142
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:04,100
Okay.
But so I guess what?

1143
01:12:04,100 --> 01:12:07,800
I'm the reason I want it to kind
of start there is because does

1144
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:15,600
the the actual dialogue of the
endowment presentation, the text

1145
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:20,400
that the copy, you know, the
people would read Was pretty

1146
01:12:20,500 --> 01:12:22,700
unchanged.
You know, there were things

1147
01:12:22,700 --> 01:12:27,000
taken out like the lecture at
the veil was removed.

1148
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:33,600
I think in the 20s the or maybe
that was the 70s, it's been a

1149
01:12:33,608 --> 01:12:36,500
while since I've well the
lecture at the veil got parsed

1150
01:12:36,500 --> 01:12:40,800
out quite a bit even before they
got completely rid of it.

1151
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:46,300
So it wasn't what it was in the
seventh in the 70s as compared

1152
01:12:46,300 --> 01:12:49,400
to what it was in the 20s.
Right.

1153
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:55,300
And then in the 9 in, I think it
was 1994 early 90s, they removed

1154
01:12:55,300 --> 01:12:58,800
the penalties, which I actually
have a quote on that here in a

1155
01:12:58,808 --> 01:13:01,900
second, but I'll just discuss it
real briefly here.

1156
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:07,500
And, and, you know, because the
penalty is they were kind of,

1157
01:13:07,900 --> 01:13:11,000
you know, people, they were
unpleasant and and it made

1158
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:14,200
people uncomfortable.
And so again, it was in an

1159
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:17,700
effort to make the endowment
more accessible to a broad

1160
01:13:17,700 --> 01:13:20,400
range.
Range of people who rather than

1161
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,800
preparing them, you know, prior
more deeply.

1162
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,500
It was just well.
Let's just cut out these icky

1163
01:13:26,500 --> 01:13:29,300
parts and make it more palatable
for the general public.

1164
01:13:29,300 --> 01:13:34,800
And so that happened in 1990 but
the covenants were mostly

1165
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:40,900
preserved up until just a few
years ago and, you know, and so

1166
01:13:40,900 --> 01:13:44,100
to me, I think that even if
you're missing certain key

1167
01:13:44,100 --> 01:13:50,600
pieces of the endowment, the
endowment wasn't Lately broken

1168
01:13:51,700 --> 01:13:54,700
until they change the covenants
now.

1169
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:59,400
You know, at this point in time
the church presentation of the

1170
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:05,300
endowment, women do not make any
covenants to, you know, sustain

1171
01:14:05,300 --> 01:14:11,200
their husbands which going back
to section 130.

1172
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:15,900
There's a la irrevocably decreed
before the foundation of the

1173
01:14:15,900 --> 01:14:18,600
world and if we obtain any
blessing, it's by obeying the

1174
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:20,200
law upon, which that blessing is
predicated.

1175
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:25,700
Now, this does not demean women.
This this is not in any way like

1176
01:14:25,700 --> 01:14:29,400
making women a second-class
citizen re or anything along

1177
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:32,100
those lines.
It's just an acknowledgement of

1178
01:14:32,100 --> 01:14:37,800
Eternal principles and eternal
truths that women fill a very

1179
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:41,000
different role.
And they answer very differently

1180
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:44,500
for the and sins of the
generation compared to their

1181
01:14:44,500 --> 01:14:48,900
husbands.
And, you know, women men are

1182
01:14:48,900 --> 01:14:52,500
intended to be a shield to their
want to the wife.

1183
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:55,500
It's not that the woman is less
than the man.

1184
01:14:55,500 --> 01:15:01,400
And if anything, it's the woman
is to be protected and the man

1185
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,900
is responsible.
He has a greater burden of

1186
01:15:03,900 --> 01:15:08,200
responsibility to be that role
of protector and not just his

1187
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,800
own wife, but all truth and
virtue.

1188
01:15:11,300 --> 01:15:15,100
And those are the Types of
covenants that, you know, I

1189
01:15:15,108 --> 01:15:18,500
guess, you know, I will go back
to one other thing, you know,

1190
01:15:18,500 --> 01:15:21,900
the initiative initiatory
ordinances were changed, pretty

1191
01:15:21,900 --> 01:15:24,100
drastically, and this is within
my memory.

1192
01:15:24,100 --> 01:15:31,200
So I was endowed in 2003, serve
my mission and in my last area,

1193
01:15:31,900 --> 01:15:35,800
my, the Temple of you know, it
was in Bloomfield Hills.

1194
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:38,900
That was my assigned area.
And so I talked to my mission

1195
01:15:38,900 --> 01:15:41,100
president and he's like, oh
yeah, if you want to go on

1196
01:15:41,100 --> 01:15:44,100
Preparation days, So I went
every week, my last four and a

1197
01:15:44,108 --> 01:15:48,600
half months, I was at the temple
every week during pide and it

1198
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:53,700
was kind of shocking to me.
That the initiatory was very

1199
01:15:53,700 --> 01:15:58,400
dramatically changed from when I
first went in 2003 compared to,

1200
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:04,200
you know, mid 2005.
When you know you were no longer

1201
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:07,900
washed and anointed it was just
symbolically and you you were no

1202
01:16:07,900 --> 01:16:11,500
longer clothed in the Garment,
it was just the Garment placed

1203
01:16:11,500 --> 01:16:14,400
upon you.
Is now authorized and and those

1204
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:21,600
were pretty, I guess symbolic.
Yeah, yes.

1205
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:27,900
They were, you know, Yeah, and
and so yeah, we have this

1206
01:16:27,900 --> 01:16:33,400
history, but to me the greatest
departure and to me the point at

1207
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:39,100
which the the endowment was, I
think not even partially

1208
01:16:39,100 --> 01:16:44,000
acceptable was when the
covenants were changed right

1209
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:48,400
again because of just who I am
being extremely black and white

1210
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:52,200
on things, I'm like, do it the
way that it was set, right?

1211
01:16:52,500 --> 01:16:54,500
So I want to explore this a
little bit.

1212
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:58,100
Because again, I think it does
tie in with this idea of an

1213
01:16:58,100 --> 01:17:01,900
abomination of desolation, which
were told about will occur in

1214
01:17:01,900 --> 01:17:05,300
the last days, so I feel like
it's super important.

1215
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:11,300
I want to touch on what happened
when I left the LDS church,

1216
01:17:11,500 --> 01:17:17,300
because I had a very telling
meeting with the gentleman who

1217
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:22,000
was in my stake presidency that
I had to have kind of my exit

1218
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:25,100
interview with, right?
Because I was in leadership, and

1219
01:17:25,100 --> 01:17:28,600
I had to go in and I had to be
like, I'm out and he wants to

1220
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:34,600
know why.
And he actually is somebody who

1221
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:40,200
does a lot of management for
Bonneville communication, so he

1222
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:46,200
has a lot of conversations with
higher-ups, right?

1223
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:50,600
He told me that he is presented
and he has talked with, with the

1224
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:57,500
top three, you know, Russell,
I'm Nelson, and I ring and Oaks,

1225
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:03,400
he talks a lot with the twelve.
L've Apostles for the church.

1226
01:18:04,900 --> 01:18:08,200
And one of my big reasons to
leave is.

1227
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:12,800
I felt like the church had
crossed the Rubicon in 2019,

1228
01:18:13,100 --> 01:18:17,900
when they got rid of that part
of the endowment that had to do

1229
01:18:17,900 --> 01:18:20,900
with family relationships.
Right.

1230
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:27,600
Yeah, and I said this bill and
the veil over Ivan, right?

1231
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:29,400
Yeah.
It was a bridge too far.

1232
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:33,000
You, you've crossed a bridge
that can't be taken back.

1233
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:37,800
And he said, well, why?
And I said, because you've

1234
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:44,000
altered the ordinances
significantly drastically Beyond

1235
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:47,500
repair and he said, well, what
do you mean by that?

1236
01:18:47,500 --> 01:18:53,600
And I read him this and this is
from Joseph Smith ordinances

1237
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,700
instituted in the heavens before
the foundation of the world in

1238
01:18:56,700 --> 01:18:59,500
the priesthood for the Salvation
of men.

1239
01:18:59,900 --> 01:19:02,500
Are not to be altered or
changed.

1240
01:19:02,500 --> 01:19:05,700
All must be saved on the same
principles.

1241
01:19:06,500 --> 01:19:09,700
There is no getting around that.
There's no wiggle room.

1242
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,800
Joseph through inspiration set
the standard.

1243
01:19:15,300 --> 01:19:22,200
And so his rebuttal to that was
yes but brother Sanders.

1244
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:25,600
So you have to understand that
for the first time in our

1245
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,900
history as a church and as a
people there are more single

1246
01:19:28,900 --> 01:19:30,900
people in the church than
married people.

1247
01:19:32,900 --> 01:19:38,000
And I said, so you're willing to
change not just the pattern for

1248
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:43,600
Humanity but you presume that
you can change the pattern upon

1249
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:48,500
which men become like Gods
because of a demographic and

1250
01:19:48,500 --> 01:19:52,000
rather than figure out why these
young people aren't getting

1251
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:55,000
married, Your solution is to
change the Covenants.

1252
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:58,900
And he had nothing Taylor,
nothing had nothing.

1253
01:20:00,100 --> 01:20:02,800
I said, if the bulk of your
membership, all the sudden,

1254
01:20:04,100 --> 01:20:06,100
Started.
I don't know.

1255
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:10,300
Drinking smoking your.
Are you going to repeal the word

1256
01:20:10,300 --> 01:20:13,200
of wisdom?
He had nothing to that.

1257
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:18,300
The other thing is, is that I
feel like these changes have

1258
01:20:18,300 --> 01:20:23,700
been coming for a long time, and
they have been coming for a long

1259
01:20:23,700 --> 01:20:28,100
time in increments, because we
change the nature of God or

1260
01:20:28,100 --> 01:20:30,000
attempted to change the nature
of God.

1261
01:20:30,300 --> 01:20:35,600
People forget that the odd that
that the endowment was the

1262
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:38,500
ultimate dissertation on the
atom God doctor.

1263
01:20:40,700 --> 01:20:43,700
That lecture at the veil wind it
out, really clearly and they

1264
01:20:43,700 --> 01:20:45,500
started to parse that out years
ago.

1265
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:49,100
So when you start messing with,
with the very nature of God,

1266
01:20:49,700 --> 01:20:55,300
everything else has to follow
and this this is a huge deal.

1267
01:20:55,600 --> 01:21:00,600
And for anyone out there
listening on the fence I would I

1268
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:06,200
would beg you to ask yourself.
One question at what point does

1269
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:11,400
your perceived worship of God?
Become mockery because I think

1270
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:19,600
we're getting awfully close.
So I think that God is very

1271
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:24,800
merciful and you know, I think
that there are a lot within the

1272
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:26,800
church who are sustaining these
changes.

1273
01:21:27,100 --> 01:21:29,800
I think there are a lot in the
church that are just squirming

1274
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:34,300
and don't know where to turn and
don't know how to react and how

1275
01:21:34,300 --> 01:21:38,200
to respond to these types of
changes and I think that God

1276
01:21:38,300 --> 01:21:41,500
looks on our hearts.
And so I don't mean this in any

1277
01:21:41,500 --> 01:21:46,600
way to like be throwing stones.
In casting stones or you're

1278
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:52,200
pointing out the mote in anybody
else's eye because that's not my

1279
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:56,200
place and that's not, I don't
feel that's Justified but we

1280
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:58,800
can't apologize for the truth of
God.

1281
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:02,800
We can't concede principles of
Salvation.

1282
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:07,500
And exaltation that were
intrinsic like these are core

1283
01:22:07,500 --> 01:22:11,600
essential, you know, Pinnacle
types of teachings of the

1284
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:15,700
restoration.
And when we force Take them when

1285
01:22:15,700 --> 01:22:19,300
we corrupt them.
When we reject them, there will

1286
01:22:19,300 --> 01:22:22,800
be consequences.
And so if we want to escape the

1287
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,600
judgments that follow
abomination of desolation and

1288
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:29,500
all those types of prophecies,
the only solution is to repent.

1289
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:33,000
I want to take go back to these
quotes that.

1290
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:36,900
So you've actually there were a
couple that I was going to get

1291
01:22:36,900 --> 01:22:39,400
to because Joseph made that
statement about the ordinances

1292
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:44,600
are instituted in 1843 let's
back up to 1842, I apologize.

1293
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:51,500
Oh, you're all good.
Brother in January 6th, 1842

1294
01:22:51,700 --> 01:22:55,600
Joseph, Smith recorded.
This truly.

1295
01:22:55,700 --> 01:22:58,700
This is a day long to be
remembered by the Saints of the

1296
01:22:58,708 --> 01:23:02,200
last days.
And just as a quick aside, like

1297
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:05,000
I read that as like, who
remembers this?

1298
01:23:05,500 --> 01:23:08,100
We've completely forgotten this
but Joseph, actually marked

1299
01:23:08,100 --> 01:23:13,300
January 6 down, is a really
important day 1842 a day in

1300
01:23:13,300 --> 01:23:15,800
which the god of Heaven has
begun to restore.

1301
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,500
The Ancient Order of his kingdom
unto his servants.

1302
01:23:18,500 --> 01:23:21,500
In his people that day in which
all things are concurring to

1303
01:23:21,500 --> 01:23:24,500
bring about the completion of
the fullness of the Gospel, a

1304
01:23:24,500 --> 01:23:27,400
fullness of the dispensation of
dispensations, even the fullness

1305
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,600
of times a day in, which God has
begun to make manifest and said,

1306
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:33,700
Order in his church, those
things which have been.

1307
01:23:33,700 --> 01:23:35,700
And those things, which the
ancient prophets and wise men

1308
01:23:35,700 --> 01:23:39,600
desired to see, but died,
without the holding them a day

1309
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:42,100
in which those things begin to
be made manifest, which have

1310
01:23:42,100 --> 01:23:44,500
been hid from before the
foundations of the world in

1311
01:23:44,500 --> 01:23:47,000
which Jehovah has promised
should be made known in his own

1312
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,800
due time, and to his servants to
prepare the Earth for return of

1313
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:53,000
his glory, even a Celestial
glory and the kingdom of priests

1314
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:56,900
and Kings to God, in the land
Forever on Mount, Zion and with

1315
01:23:56,900 --> 01:23:59,500
him, 144,000 whom, John the
Revelator.

1316
01:23:59,500 --> 01:24:02,300
Saw, all of, which is to Come to
pass in the restitution of all

1317
01:24:02,300 --> 01:24:04,900
things.
Now, that's a beautiful

1318
01:24:04,900 --> 01:24:09,700
statement that is a statement of
hope that just inspires me that

1319
01:24:09,700 --> 01:24:13,500
it's it's it resonates.
It just rings.

1320
01:24:13,500 --> 01:24:16,200
So true.
Like when he's starting to talk

1321
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:21,000
about this we're approaching the
Pinnacle of the restoration.

1322
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:24,300
Now the restoration isn't
complete even to this day

1323
01:24:24,300 --> 01:24:27,900
because we haven't built Zion
yet, for instance and you know,

1324
01:24:27,907 --> 01:24:30,600
there's a lot of prophecies that
are still upon us.

1325
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:35,300
Stu to, you know, be take part
in fulfilling and beat the

1326
01:24:35,300 --> 01:24:37,300
instruments of God and bring to
pass his purposes.

1327
01:24:38,100 --> 01:24:45,800
But this was in January, 6th
1842 him glorying in the

1328
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:50,700
imminence of the completion of
his work of the restoration now,

1329
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:55,700
either the restoration failed or
it did not if the restoration

1330
01:24:55,700 --> 01:24:59,400
did not fail.
Then we have to take a really

1331
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,600
honest inventory.
And and do some introspection

1332
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:07,100
and decide.
Well, are we living up to these

1333
01:25:07,100 --> 01:25:10,200
promises?
Are these things part of our

1334
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:11,600
daily lives.
Yes, or no.

1335
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:15,800
If the answer is no, I think the
invitation is what we should do

1336
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:20,900
our little bit more homework.
Live a little bit later, a few

1337
01:25:20,900 --> 01:25:25,700
months later, on May 1st 1842.
Joseph says I preached in the

1338
01:25:25,700 --> 01:25:29,500
Grove, and by the way, these are
all and the Joseph Smith papers,

1339
01:25:29,700 --> 01:25:33,900
I'm giving you the date so you
can just pick a key phrase if

1340
01:25:33,900 --> 01:25:35,800
you want to corroborate any of
these things.

1341
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:40,500
But primarily pulling from his
journal which was then included

1342
01:25:40,500 --> 01:25:43,400
in history of the church and the
teachings of Joseph, Smith's of

1343
01:25:43,407 --> 01:25:46,600
the words of Joseph Smith, I
preached in the Grove on the

1344
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:48,700
Keys of the Kingdom.
Etcetera.

1345
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:52,100
The keys are certain signs
didn't words by which false

1346
01:25:52,100 --> 01:25:55,500
spirits and percentages.
May be detected from True which

1347
01:25:55,500 --> 01:25:58,300
cannot be revealed to the elders
till the temple is completed.

1348
01:25:58,500 --> 01:26:00,900
The rich can only get them in
the temple.

1349
01:26:01,500 --> 01:26:04,500
The poor may get them on the
Mountaintop as did Moses, the

1350
01:26:04,500 --> 01:26:07,300
rich cannot be saved without
charity, giving to feed the

1351
01:26:07,308 --> 01:26:09,000
poor.
When and how God requires as

1352
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:12,700
well as building.
There are signs in heaven Earth

1353
01:26:12,700 --> 01:26:15,100
and Hell, the elders must know
them.

1354
01:26:15,100 --> 01:26:18,300
All to be endowed with power to
finish their work and To prevent

1355
01:26:18,300 --> 01:26:21,500
in position the devil knows many
signs, but does not know the

1356
01:26:21,500 --> 01:26:24,800
sign of the son of man or Jesus.
No one can truly say, he knows

1357
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:28,100
God until he has handled
something, and this can only be

1358
01:26:28,100 --> 01:26:31,600
in the holiest of holies.
Now, there's a lot to unpack

1359
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:34,700
there, but when talks about
signs in heaven, Earth and hell,

1360
01:26:35,700 --> 01:26:39,500
you know, I think that it's
possible that those penalties

1361
01:26:39,500 --> 01:26:44,300
could be signs in hell that in.
He says, the elders, must know

1362
01:26:44,300 --> 01:26:46,100
them, all to be endowed with
power.

1363
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:53,600
So, You know, again, I think
that it's the wrong solution,

1364
01:26:54,500 --> 01:26:57,900
right?
Remove think it's just because

1365
01:26:58,100 --> 01:27:01,600
they're making people
uncomfortable, you know, because

1366
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:05,900
your demographic is change.
So to speak compared to just

1367
01:27:06,100 --> 01:27:08,500
helping and preparing people to
receive them.

1368
01:27:09,300 --> 01:27:12,600
And the penalties are important
there and unfortunately they've

1369
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,600
been removed for those 33 years
going on.

1370
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:20,900
I 1842, this one's kind of
hurts.

1371
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:25,200
The world always mistook false
prophets for True ones.

1372
01:27:25,300 --> 01:27:27,400
And those that were sent of God,
they considered to be false

1373
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:30,300
prophets, and hence, they killed
Stone punished in and prison the

1374
01:27:30,300 --> 01:27:32,700
true prophets.
And these had to hide themselves

1375
01:27:32,700 --> 01:27:34,800
in deserts, and dens and caves
of the earth.

1376
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,000
And though the most Honorable
Men of the earth, they banished

1377
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:41,700
them from their society is
vagabonds, will they cherished

1378
01:27:41,700 --> 01:27:45,900
honored and supported knaves
vagabonds hypocrites?

1379
01:27:46,100 --> 01:27:51,800
It's imposters and the basest of
men, can we stop right there and

1380
01:27:51,900 --> 01:27:54,600
unpack that?
Because I feel like that that is

1381
01:27:54,600 --> 01:28:01,300
so important for this discussion
about where we're at now, as a

1382
01:28:01,308 --> 01:28:08,900
people, let me ask you this.
Those true prophets that weren't

1383
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:12,200
received by the people.
Why do you think that is?

1384
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:20,700
Probably because they triggered
them, you know, you know I think

1385
01:28:20,700 --> 01:28:24,900
woke snowflake is MM, you know
we'd like to think it's a recent

1386
01:28:24,900 --> 01:28:26,600
phenomenon.
I think it goes back a lot

1387
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:30,900
further than the last few years.
And I think that, you know,

1388
01:28:30,900 --> 01:28:34,600
Joseph lamented multiple times
that even the Saints are slow to

1389
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:37,000
understand and you know, they
can suffer, all they have for

1390
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:40,000
the gospel and they'll fly to
pieces like glass when something

1391
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,700
is proposed that is against
their sensibilities or their

1392
01:28:42,700 --> 01:28:45,100
Traditions, you know.
So, Is not something that's

1393
01:28:45,100 --> 01:28:47,000
exclusively.
Joseph is referring to

1394
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:49,700
non-members.
This is this is something that

1395
01:28:49,700 --> 01:28:53,400
all of us can profit from taking
a close look in the mirror,

1396
01:28:53,600 --> 01:29:00,100
like, to me, one of the greatest
signs of, you know, the Book of

1397
01:29:00,100 --> 01:29:04,700
Mormon gives us three really
good archetypes of anti-crime,

1398
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:10,800
ice, you've got me whore, you've
got korihor and you've got am Le

1399
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:14,300
site.
And these three, guys, the In

1400
01:29:14,300 --> 01:29:19,700
thread in all of them is that
they preached flattering things

1401
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:23,600
that were pleasing to the carnal
minds of the people.

1402
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:27,200
And so they were very persuasive
and they got popular.

1403
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:30,500
They had a lot of, you know,
people that following like a

1404
01:29:30,500 --> 01:29:34,700
personality cult and that is
really one of the fruits of

1405
01:29:34,700 --> 01:29:38,300
false prophets and you know,
false christs and false, you

1406
01:29:38,300 --> 01:29:42,000
know, Antichrist.
I think that true prophets are

1407
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:46,300
those who are going to All the
people to repentance who are

1408
01:29:46,300 --> 01:29:50,300
going to identify the sin that
people are struggling with in

1409
01:29:50,300 --> 01:29:56,000
their day and age and tell them,
this is against the will of God.

1410
01:29:57,300 --> 01:30:00,600
Repent.
And, you know, not to say that

1411
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:02,400
you don't want to be
overbearing, you don't want to

1412
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:06,500
be like, just intentionally
trying to just say things with

1413
01:30:06,500 --> 01:30:09,200
the goal of offending people and
getting them to hate you.

1414
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:12,900
It needs to be coming from a
place of love and sincere

1415
01:30:12,900 --> 01:30:15,700
concern for their Eternal Souls
welfare.

1416
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:18,800
It you know, we don't do anybody
any favors.

1417
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:24,700
If we fail to declare the whole
counsel of God we you can't

1418
01:30:24,700 --> 01:30:29,300
succeed with Being a partial
truth or telling a, you know, a

1419
01:30:29,300 --> 01:30:33,200
pleasing lie that may you know,
be maybe short-term Comforts

1420
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:36,800
people but long term.
It's going to they're going to

1421
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:41,100
be damned it's going to lead to
damnation and I think you know

1422
01:30:41,100 --> 01:30:44,000
there's so many sins that plague
Our Generation.

1423
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:49,200
It wouldn't take a whole lot of
inspiration to identify one of

1424
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:54,000
them and come out against it.
You know even as a youth

1425
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:58,400
president Hinckley, he came out
full Guns blazing against

1426
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:01,000
pornography.
And I have that, you know, I

1427
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:02,800
still remember exactly the steak
center.

1428
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:05,600
I was in watching the broadcast
with my dad and brothers.

1429
01:31:06,100 --> 01:31:08,000
And, you know, that was a
memorable thing.

1430
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:14,500
It because it was just a warning
and a calling to me that, you

1431
01:31:14,500 --> 01:31:19,200
know, these this is a problem
and that we can't just give up

1432
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:24,100
ground on this issue.
And you know that unfortunately

1433
01:31:24,100 --> 01:31:26,900
is it's still a plague just as
much today.

1434
01:31:27,100 --> 01:31:29,300
Days.
It was 30 years ago or 25 years

1435
01:31:29,300 --> 01:31:33,600
ago whenever that talk was given
and and we've just added, you

1436
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:36,300
know, to the laundry list of
the, the sins of Our Generation.

1437
01:31:36,900 --> 01:31:39,600
And I think that a true Prophet
is going to identify those

1438
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:42,300
correctly.
It's he's going to or she, you

1439
01:31:42,300 --> 01:31:45,200
know, I'm just prophetesses,
there are scriptural, precedence

1440
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:46,800
is for women, filling these
roles as well.

1441
01:31:47,100 --> 01:31:51,600
They're going to raise a true
warning voice against the evils

1442
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:55,800
and the consequences of sin
because the only true salvation,

1443
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:59,600
the only true Bert and bomb is
to repent.

1444
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:01,800
You can't just pretend that it's
okay.

1445
01:32:01,900 --> 01:32:05,800
And, oh, we can just love and
tolerate and it, you know, God

1446
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:09,100
will work it all out.
There are Eternal consequences

1447
01:32:09,100 --> 01:32:13,900
to when we break Eternal loss.
Yeah, I was, I was trying to

1448
01:32:13,900 --> 01:32:19,700
draw a straight line, right back
to the temple on this, right?

1449
01:32:21,100 --> 01:32:24,400
People got pissed at the
prophets when the prophets call

1450
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:26,200
them out on what they were doing
wrong.

1451
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:30,900
It Made them uncomfortable.
And here's here's what I'll say

1452
01:32:30,900 --> 01:32:35,900
about faith and religion.
When this happens, if you're not

1453
01:32:35,900 --> 01:32:40,800
challenged, By your professed
religion or faith.

1454
01:32:41,100 --> 01:32:45,800
It's not working for you.
It's not working for you.

1455
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:50,100
I don't have.
Yeah, go ahead because if it's

1456
01:32:50,100 --> 01:32:55,500
not challenging you to be better
to do better to wrestle with

1457
01:32:55,500 --> 01:32:59,600
your own imperfections to figure
out what it is.

1458
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:01,900
You can do better.
What good is it?

1459
01:33:01,900 --> 01:33:04,800
It's a country club at that
point, right?

1460
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:07,700
It's a place to go.
It's a place to go hang out with

1461
01:33:07,700 --> 01:33:10,900
some other people.
You should be look.

1462
01:33:10,900 --> 01:33:14,100
I didn't choose Mormonism
because it looked like fun,

1463
01:33:14,700 --> 01:33:17,700
right?
I mean, we're in really long

1464
01:33:17,700 --> 01:33:23,200
underwear and, you know, going
to church a bunch and go into

1465
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:25,700
the temple.
Although I do enjoy the temple

1466
01:33:25,700 --> 01:33:30,700
quite a bit and church as well.
Now as I'm older, but it, you

1467
01:33:30,700 --> 01:33:34,500
know, those things come after
you practice them, right?

1468
01:33:34,500 --> 01:33:36,600
The enjoyment in the enrichment
of it.

1469
01:33:37,500 --> 01:33:43,200
It challenged me to be different
to be better and so if all

1470
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:47,900
you're getting is pleasing
things, then what are you doing

1471
01:33:48,500 --> 01:33:49,300
then?
What are you doing?

1472
01:33:49,300 --> 01:33:55,900
What why why go Yeah.
Well and Joseph said any

1473
01:33:55,900 --> 01:33:59,500
religion that doesn't require
the sacrifice of all things will

1474
01:33:59,500 --> 01:34:03,400
not produce the faith necessary
for salvation.

1475
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:06,400
Absolutely.
Yep.

1476
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:09,200
Yep.
So there's a danger in this idea

1477
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:13,800
of being too comfortable people
don't like it but it's the

1478
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:16,500
truth.
There is a danger in being too

1479
01:34:16,500 --> 01:34:18,300
comfortable.
Yeah.

1480
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:26,700
So, This is three days later
after he was like, you know, the

1481
01:34:26,700 --> 01:34:30,400
day that will be remembered.
I think this is it's a little

1482
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:33,600
bit more boring, but it's an
important thing to I think

1483
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:36,700
include in the chronology
because there are many people

1484
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:40,300
those who are kind of getting
seduced by men's claiming that

1485
01:34:40,300 --> 01:34:43,300
Joseph wasn't a polygamist.
I mean, where does that lead at

1486
01:34:43,300 --> 01:34:46,600
leads to rejecting the temple,
you know?

1487
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:48,900
And so I think that this is
really important.

1488
01:34:48,900 --> 01:34:51,600
It's from the the Joseph Smith
journals this.

1489
01:34:51,700 --> 01:34:54,600
From May 4th 1842 three days
later.

1490
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:58,000
I spent the day in the upper
part of the store in council

1491
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:00,900
with General James, Adams of
Springfield patriarch Hyrum

1492
01:35:00,900 --> 01:35:03,300
Smith, Bishops new, okay with me
and George Miller and president

1493
01:35:03,300 --> 01:35:05,600
Bigham, Brigham Young and Elders
Heber C, Kimball and Willard

1494
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:07,800
Richards.
Instructing them in the

1495
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:11,000
principles and Order of the
priesthood attending to Washings

1496
01:35:11,100 --> 01:35:15,000
anointing endowments and the
communication of keys pertaining

1497
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:18,300
to the aaronic priesthood.
And so on to the highest order

1498
01:35:18,300 --> 01:35:21,100
of the Melchizedek priesthood
setting forth, the order

1499
01:35:21,100 --> 01:35:23,700
pertaining.
The Ancient of Days and all

1500
01:35:23,700 --> 01:35:26,400
those plans and principles by
which anyone is enabled to

1501
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:28,800
secure the fullness of those
blessings which have been

1502
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:32,400
prepared for the Church of the
firstborn and come up in abide

1503
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:35,200
in the presence of the Elohim in
the Eternal Worlds.

1504
01:35:35,900 --> 01:35:38,200
In this Council was instituted,
the Ancient Order of things for

1505
01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:41,000
the first time in the last days,
in the communications, I made to

1506
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:43,500
this Council where of things
spiritual and to be received

1507
01:35:43,500 --> 01:35:46,400
only by the spiritual minded and
there was nothing made known to

1508
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:49,000
these men, but will be made
known to all the saints of the

1509
01:35:49,008 --> 01:35:50,900
last days.
So soon as they are prepared to

1510
01:35:50,907 --> 01:35:54,700
receive And a proper place is
prepared to communicate them.

1511
01:35:56,400 --> 01:36:03,400
So this notion that Brigham
hijacked the restoration and

1512
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:06,600
can't you know, innovated
polygamy and the temple and the

1513
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:09,600
endowment is nonsense.
This comes straight from the

1514
01:36:09,608 --> 01:36:13,900
Joseph Smith journal and it's
documented on May 4th 1842.

1515
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:21,900
Later in June of 1842, we get to
this all men who become Heirs of

1516
01:36:21,900 --> 01:36:25,200
God and Joint heirs with Jesus,
Christ will have to receive the

1517
01:36:25,208 --> 01:36:26,900
fullness of the ordinance.
His kingdom.

1518
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:30,400
Those who will not receive all
the ordinances will come short

1519
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:33,300
of the fullness of that Glory.
If they do not lose the whole,

1520
01:36:34,300 --> 01:36:37,100
if a man gets a fullness of the
priesthood of God, he has to get

1521
01:36:37,100 --> 01:36:40,100
it in the same way that Jesus
Christ, obtained it, and that

1522
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:43,000
was by keeping all the
Commandments and obeying all the

1523
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:45,000
ordinances of the house of the
Lord.

1524
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:52,500
And you know, one of the sadly
forgotten and kind of buried and

1525
01:36:52,500 --> 01:36:57,100
written you know, just neglected
aspects of the restoration is

1526
01:36:57,100 --> 01:37:00,800
the second anointing.
That's what is kind of being

1527
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:03,100
referred to here when he's
talked about the fullness of the

1528
01:37:03,100 --> 01:37:07,800
priesthood, the fullness of the
ordinances, you know the first

1529
01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:11,300
endowment is something that the
church has kind of preserved at

1530
01:37:11,300 --> 01:37:15,700
least in part to up to this day.
The second endowment though her

1531
01:37:15,900 --> 01:37:18,100
He also known as the second
anointing or the fullness of the

1532
01:37:18,100 --> 01:37:22,200
priesthood is something that has
been largely forgotten or, you

1533
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:27,600
know, devalued by the church.
And yet Joseph says right here,

1534
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:31,500
June 18, 42, those who don't
receive all the ordinances will

1535
01:37:31,500 --> 01:37:33,300
come short of the fullness of
the glory.

1536
01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:40,400
If they do not lose the whole
Moving on to januarius, January

1537
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:44,000
2nd, 1843 building on the same
principle.

1538
01:37:45,900 --> 01:37:49,200
Whenever man can find out the
will of God and find an

1539
01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:52,700
administrator legally.
Authorized from God, there is

1540
01:37:52,700 --> 01:37:55,400
the kingdom of God.
But we're, these are not the

1541
01:37:55,400 --> 01:37:58,700
kingdom of God, is not all the
ordinances systems and

1542
01:37:58,700 --> 01:38:01,800
administration's on the Earth
are of no use to the children of

1543
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:03,200
men.
Unless they are ordained.

1544
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:06,400
An authorized of God for.
Nothing will save a man, but a

1545
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:09,600
legal administrator for none.
Others will be acknowledged

1546
01:38:09,700 --> 01:38:17,300
either by God or angels.
In other words, the second

1547
01:38:17,300 --> 01:38:26,300
anointing is something that is
that it's well, I'll just keep

1548
01:38:26,300 --> 01:38:27,900
reading some of these quotes.
I think.

1549
01:38:27,900 --> 01:38:30,800
Maybe I'll let these Brethren
speak for themselves, rather

1550
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:32,600
than, you know, Meep interpose
my own.

1551
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:38,200
Going back to what we were
discussing, just a moment ago

1552
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:44,200
about like false prophets versus
true prophets and true prophets

1553
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:46,700
challenge.
The people, they don't let them

1554
01:38:46,700 --> 01:38:49,200
be comfortable and don't just
flatter them and teach them

1555
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:51,900
pleasing.
Things Joseph Smith, June 11th.

1556
01:38:51,900 --> 01:38:56,200
1843 says many men will say I
will never forsake you but will

1557
01:38:56,200 --> 01:38:59,500
stand by you at all times.
But the moment you teach them.

1558
01:38:59,500 --> 01:39:01,600
Some of the Mysteries of the
kingdom of God that are retained

1559
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:03,800
in the heavens and are to be
revealed to the children of men

1560
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:06,800
when they are prepared for them.
They will be the first to Stone

1561
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:10,100
you and put you to death.
It was this same principle that

1562
01:39:10,100 --> 01:39:12,800
crucified, the Lord Jesus Christ
and will cause the people to

1563
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:14,700
kill the prophets in this
generation.

1564
01:39:15,300 --> 01:39:18,100
It has always been when a man
was sent of God, to preach the

1565
01:39:18,100 --> 01:39:21,300
fullness of the Gospel that he
was Thrust out by his friends,

1566
01:39:21,300 --> 01:39:24,000
who are already to butcher him
if he teach things, which they

1567
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:27,300
imagined to be wrong.
Jesus was crucified upon this

1568
01:39:27,300 --> 01:39:30,800
principle.
The Same Spirit that crucified

1569
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:33,400
Jesus is in the breasts of some
of her though.

1570
01:39:33,500 --> 01:39:36,000
Some who profess to be Saints in
Nauvoo.

1571
01:39:36,700 --> 01:39:38,100
I have secret enemies in the
city.

1572
01:39:38,100 --> 01:39:41,200
Intermingling with the Saints
etcetera, said I would not

1573
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:43,600
prophesy anymore and proposed
hire him to hold the office of

1574
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:46,200
profit to the church.
As it was his Birthright, I'm

1575
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:49,600
going to have a reformation and
the Saints must regard Hiram for

1576
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:52,800
he has the authority.
That I might be priest of the

1577
01:39:52,808 --> 01:39:55,600
most high God and slightly
touched upon the subject of The

1578
01:39:55,608 --> 01:39:58,300
Everlasting Covenant.
Showing that a man and his wife

1579
01:39:58,300 --> 01:40:00,500
must enter into that Covenant in
the world or he will have no

1580
01:40:00,500 --> 01:40:03,500
claim on her in the next world.
But on account of the unbelief

1581
01:40:03,500 --> 01:40:06,700
of the people, I cannot reveal
the fullness of these things at

1582
01:40:06,700 --> 01:40:10,200
the present and that was
actually shifted to another

1583
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:18,000
quote that was July 16th. 1843,
There's a lot to unpack there.

1584
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:22,200
What's interesting?
Is he refers to Hiram as having

1585
01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:25,500
the authority to preside over
the church?

1586
01:40:26,700 --> 01:40:30,500
He wanted to basically retire
from being the president of the

1587
01:40:30,500 --> 01:40:34,800
church, Joseph wanted to retire
so that he could quote to use

1588
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:37,300
his words be priest of the most
high God.

1589
01:40:39,700 --> 01:40:45,000
Now, going back to the
scriptures, Doctrine and

1590
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:48,500
Covenants, section 124 verse
124.

1591
01:40:50,500 --> 01:40:53,500
Touches on this and it refers
specifically to Hyrum Smith.

1592
01:40:53,500 --> 01:40:57,700
He says verily, I say unto you,
I now or wait, Burt, I give unto

1593
01:40:57,700 --> 01:41:01,400
you Hyrum Smith to be a
patriarch unto you to hold the

1594
01:41:01,400 --> 01:41:05,200
ceiling blessings of my church.
Even the Holy Spirit of Promise

1595
01:41:05,500 --> 01:41:08,400
whereby, ye are sealed up unto
the day of redemption.

1596
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:11,600
That you may not fall
notwithstanding the hour of

1597
01:41:11,608 --> 01:41:13,100
Temptation that may come upon
you.

1598
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:18,500
What's interesting there is
Hyrum Smith, holds the ceiling

1599
01:41:18,500 --> 01:41:21,800
blessings of the church.
You could call that the sealing

1600
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:24,100
power ceiling, Authority ceiling
Keys.

1601
01:41:24,200 --> 01:41:29,300
Even the Holy Spirit of promise,
this is a clear reference to

1602
01:41:29,500 --> 01:41:30,900
hire.
Him has received his second

1603
01:41:30,900 --> 01:41:35,400
anointing.
Therefore, he has every right

1604
01:41:35,500 --> 01:41:39,200
holds, every key and all the
authority necessary to be a

1605
01:41:39,208 --> 01:41:45,400
president of the church going
back to section 132 Which is to

1606
01:41:45,400 --> 01:41:50,400
become a recently, controversial
section again, the dossier.

1607
01:41:51,300 --> 01:41:55,300
Yeah, well, you know, for
different reasons.

1608
01:41:55,400 --> 01:41:59,900
Now, there are factions break
off sand and people even within

1609
01:41:59,900 --> 01:42:03,300
the church, still who believe
that will Joseph, this didn't

1610
01:42:03,300 --> 01:42:07,800
come from Joseph section, 132
came from Brigham and and they

1611
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:12,000
use what in my opinion are
pretty weak arguments but you

1612
01:42:12,008 --> 01:42:14,100
know that's that's what they're
claiming, that's what they're

1613
01:42:14,100 --> 01:42:17,200
pushing.
It has its appeal again, it

1614
01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:23,900
appeals to our comfort zones of
who you mean that I can believe

1615
01:42:23,900 --> 01:42:26,300
Joseph was a prophet, but I
don't have to believe in icky

1616
01:42:26,300 --> 01:42:29,800
polygamy.
You know, that that has, that

1617
01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:31,500
does have a certain level of
appeal.

1618
01:42:31,500 --> 01:42:34,900
I can understand why it's
seductive to to folks who are

1619
01:42:34,900 --> 01:42:40,300
not familiar with the history.
But it doesn't take away from

1620
01:42:40,300 --> 01:42:44,000
the fact that this was a true
Revelation from God that was

1621
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:46,900
revealed through.
Joseph and that he was teaching

1622
01:42:46,900 --> 01:42:50,000
and practicing all of the
principles espoused in section

1623
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:53,700
132.
But it talks about in verse 7

1624
01:42:53,700 --> 01:42:58,200
will jump right down to the to
the nitty-gritty section. 132

1625
01:42:58,200 --> 01:43:00,600
verse 7 verily.
I say unto you that the that the

1626
01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:06,000
conditions of this law are these
all covenants, contracts bonds,

1627
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:09,200
obligations Oaths, vows
performances connections

1628
01:43:09,200 --> 01:43:13,900
associations, or expectations
for a long list that are not

1629
01:43:13,900 --> 01:43:17,000
made and entered it into and
sealed by the Holy Spirit of

1630
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:20,600
Promise of him who is Anointed
both as well for time.

1631
01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:24,700
And for all eternity and that to
Most Holy by Revelation and

1632
01:43:24,700 --> 01:43:27,100
commandment through the medium
of mine anointed whom I've

1633
01:43:27,100 --> 01:43:28,900
appointed on the earth to hold
this power.

1634
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:34,000
And there's a parentheses and I
appointed unto to my servant

1635
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:37,000
Joseph, to hold this power in
the last days and there is never

1636
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:40,600
but one on the earth at a time
on whom this power in the keys

1637
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:45,000
of this priesthood are conferred
on parentheses are of no

1638
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:48,200
efficacy virtue or force in and
after the resurrection from the

1639
01:43:48,200 --> 01:43:51,100
dead, for all contracts that are
not made into this, send have an

1640
01:43:51,100 --> 01:43:53,700
end when men are dead.
So, this is literally the

1641
01:43:53,700 --> 01:43:57,300
ceiling Keys, the ceiling
Authority, the power to have a

1642
01:43:57,300 --> 01:44:02,900
relationship.
The Sealed by Authority in this

1643
01:44:02,900 --> 01:44:06,300
life and have it remained in the
next here.

1644
01:44:06,300 --> 01:44:11,200
Eternity, I want to point out
the fact that it again refers to

1645
01:44:11,200 --> 01:44:13,100
sealed by the Holy Spirit of
promise.

1646
01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:17,700
What did we just read?
In section 124 verse 124, Hiram

1647
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:25,900
Was given the the like adjective
phrase of Holy Spirit of

1648
01:44:25,900 --> 01:44:31,000
Promise, why?
Because he is Anointed of him

1649
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:33,700
who is Anointed?
Not this is you know, there's

1650
01:44:33,700 --> 01:44:36,700
the initiatory anointing which
are Preparatory.

1651
01:44:38,100 --> 01:44:43,300
It's a calling the the second
anointing is when that is the

1652
01:44:43,300 --> 01:44:49,100
election happens and then you
know again men can receive the

1653
01:44:49,400 --> 01:44:54,300
Anointing and still apostatize.
So, you know, this is not a

1654
01:44:54,300 --> 01:44:58,700
guarantee that they, you know,
they're all set and how they're

1655
01:44:58,700 --> 01:45:00,700
guaranteed exaltation at that
point.

1656
01:45:00,900 --> 01:45:04,500
Because if they apostatize at
that point, that is Son of

1657
01:45:04,500 --> 01:45:07,400
Perdition.
So it raises the stakes, a great

1658
01:45:07,400 --> 01:45:12,900
deal.
But but the point is, That if

1659
01:45:12,900 --> 01:45:17,700
this ordinance hasn't been
administered, then the person

1660
01:45:17,700 --> 01:45:21,500
administering a ceiling
ordinance does not have the

1661
01:45:21,500 --> 01:45:24,400
authority because they're not
the Holy Spirit of Promise.

1662
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:26,400
They're not, they don't have
that Holy Spirit of Promise

1663
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:30,300
within them to have any efficacy
in the next life.

1664
01:45:30,700 --> 01:45:36,100
So again just emphasizing the
importance of this crowning.

1665
01:45:36,100 --> 01:45:40,100
Ordinance of the restoration.
The second anointing is sacred.

1666
01:45:40,100 --> 01:45:44,200
It's something that It needs to
be.

1667
01:45:45,900 --> 01:45:51,000
I guess understood and that is
given the the due respect.

1668
01:45:51,100 --> 01:45:52,500
One of the thing.
I want to point out while we're

1669
01:45:52,500 --> 01:45:57,100
here because this is the this is
the verse that most people will

1670
01:45:57,100 --> 01:46:00,100
point to when they say.
Well, our man's the one man.

1671
01:46:00,700 --> 01:46:03,700
I don't know if you've come
across one man, isn't before I

1672
01:46:03,700 --> 01:46:06,900
just call this idea that only
one man can hold the power at a

1673
01:46:06,907 --> 01:46:09,300
time.
On the earth is attributed to

1674
01:46:09,300 --> 01:46:13,000
section 132 verse 7 and the the
history to that is quite

1675
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:15,400
interesting.
So when the saints came across

1676
01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:18,500
the Lanes and we're settled in
Salt Lake and they got through

1677
01:46:18,500 --> 01:46:23,100
the first few years that were
just like, you know, really

1678
01:46:23,100 --> 01:46:26,300
close calls.
They probably should have died

1679
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:30,200
en masse at various points in.
So they were miraculous, it was

1680
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:34,100
just a fight for survival, but
they got to a point where

1681
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:41,400
Brigham authorized, Orson, Pratt
to stand up and share the, the

1682
01:46:41,400 --> 01:46:43,200
facts.
That yes, polygamy is a thing.

1683
01:46:43,200 --> 01:46:44,700
Yes, we're living it.
Yes, it is.

1684
01:46:44,700 --> 01:46:45,900
Part of the Gospel.
Oh yes.

1685
01:46:45,900 --> 01:46:49,300
It came from Joseph and he made
this public sermon in a general

1686
01:46:49,300 --> 01:46:52,500
conference of the church and in
that he refers to this

1687
01:46:52,500 --> 01:46:57,300
Revelation but he doesn't quote
it and in his talk he says that

1688
01:46:57,300 --> 01:47:01,900
only one man can hold these keys
at a time and you know, but if

1689
01:47:01,900 --> 01:47:07,500
you if you look at it closely it
says there is never, but one on

1690
01:47:07,500 --> 01:47:11,100
the earth at a time on whom this
power in the keys of this

1691
01:47:11,100 --> 01:47:18,000
priesthood are conferred. in
other words, It doesn't say

1692
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:20,200
that.
Only one, man can hold it at a

1693
01:47:20,200 --> 01:47:23,200
time.
It says that only one man at a

1694
01:47:23,200 --> 01:47:29,300
time, can have these these Keys
conferred upon him, that changes

1695
01:47:29,300 --> 01:47:31,800
a lot of context.
And as we get into a couple more

1696
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:34,800
of these quotes from later in
the history, I think I'll be

1697
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:40,600
able to drive that point home,
but just I guess digest because

1698
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:45,000
for me when I first started to
question some of the claims at

1699
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:48,100
the church.
My first instinct was well if

1700
01:47:48,100 --> 01:47:51,900
president monson's not the one
man who's the real one man so

1701
01:47:51,900 --> 01:47:54,400
that I can you know go join that
group or Joanne would go join

1702
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:58,900
that church and follow that man
and this is I think a very

1703
01:47:58,900 --> 01:48:02,900
natural human tendency and it is
a we've inherited this tradition

1704
01:48:03,200 --> 01:48:08,000
that has become very sacred you
know it's a sacred cow and you

1705
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:13,600
know this This concept though is
very limiting because it leads

1706
01:48:14,300 --> 01:48:18,200
to arrogation it leads to
priestcraft, it leads to one man

1707
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:21,500
you know, thinking that he's it.
And that.

1708
01:48:21,500 --> 01:48:24,600
So if I don't authorize it or if
it you know, then then it's of

1709
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:28,600
no effect and that is the
opposite of what priesthood is

1710
01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:32,900
all about, which is service and
sharing and assisting others to

1711
01:48:32,900 --> 01:48:38,500
come unto God coming to Christ.
One other note, I've read

1712
01:48:38,500 --> 01:48:44,200
through various of the various
accounts minutes of the Quorum

1713
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:47,200
of 12 meetings.
And you'd be surprised at how

1714
01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:50,900
many times they talked about how
when administering second

1715
01:48:50,900 --> 01:48:54,400
anointings they have to close
the meeting.

1716
01:48:54,800 --> 01:49:00,000
After the first man has received
the anointing, the ordinance and

1717
01:49:00,100 --> 01:49:03,800
and then you know they have to
start a brand-new meeting a

1718
01:49:03,808 --> 01:49:09,200
brand new session if you Will to
do another second anointing

1719
01:49:09,200 --> 01:49:11,300
ordinance.
And sometimes they would say,

1720
01:49:11,300 --> 01:49:14,200
you can only do one in a day.
And other times, they would say,

1721
01:49:14,200 --> 01:49:20,300
well, you know, we'll do, but it
always had to be one at a time

1722
01:49:21,100 --> 01:49:23,400
and ideally it should have been
done in the temples.

1723
01:49:23,400 --> 01:49:27,600
But anyway, for the sake of time
and I can talk in.

1724
01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:29,200
Doesn't it?
Are you following you with me

1725
01:49:29,200 --> 01:49:31,600
here or yeah, no, I'm just
listening.

1726
01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:35,500
Okay, going back.
Two.

1727
01:49:38,200 --> 01:49:42,900
Joseph Smith's teachings, this
is from August 27th. 1843, he

1728
01:49:42,900 --> 01:49:45,600
calls it, the three
granddaughters, there.

1729
01:49:46,200 --> 01:49:48,600
It's his speech referred to as
the three granddaughters speech.

1730
01:49:49,300 --> 01:49:51,900
Those who limit the designs of
God, as concerted by the ground

1731
01:49:51,900 --> 01:49:55,500
Council of Heaven, cannot obtain
the knowledge of God, and I do

1732
01:49:55,500 --> 01:49:58,900
not know, but I may say they
will drink in the damnation of

1733
01:49:58,900 --> 01:50:01,500
their souls.
All those who are disposed to

1734
01:50:01,500 --> 01:50:03,900
set up Stakes for the almighty
will come short of the glory of

1735
01:50:03,907 --> 01:50:06,800
God to become a joint.
Heir of the air, Ship of the son

1736
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:09,100
of man must put away all his
traditions.

1737
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:13,600
In that same speech, he talks
about the order of Elias, the

1738
01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:17,400
order of your life and the Order
of Messiah as the three grand

1739
01:50:17,400 --> 01:50:23,500
orders of the priesthood.
Now, we're going to shift gears,

1740
01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:28,400
I want to share this excerpt
from the parley P Pratt

1741
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:31,900
autobiography.
This is post martyred on it, but

1742
01:50:31,900 --> 01:50:35,100
before we do that, I want to
explore what you were talking

1743
01:50:35,100 --> 01:50:36,500
about before.
I didn't know if it was going to

1744
01:50:36,500 --> 01:50:38,400
continue on.
So I wanted to give you a chance

1745
01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:42,000
here.
So I'm going to push back a

1746
01:50:42,008 --> 01:50:43,500
little bit.
I want to see what, what your

1747
01:50:43,500 --> 01:50:46,900
response here is concerning the
one-man thing.

1748
01:50:49,400 --> 01:50:54,400
How do you establish order then?
If there.

1749
01:50:55,900 --> 01:51:00,600
Isn't really order to be had.
Does that make sense?

1750
01:51:02,100 --> 01:51:05,200
Because it's some point if
communities were what was

1751
01:51:05,400 --> 01:51:10,800
intended to be built, how do you
do that without any sort of

1752
01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:16,900
governance?
So I think that that's maybe a

1753
01:51:16,900 --> 01:51:18,800
little bit of a false dichotomy
there.

1754
01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:23,100
I think that the idea that you
have to have one dude, in charge

1755
01:51:23,300 --> 01:51:28,200
to have order, I don't buy it.
I think that Joseph, when he was

1756
01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:32,800
talking about a nation of kings
and a nation of priests, he's

1757
01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:36,900
referring to order.
There's no chaos in the nation

1758
01:51:36,900 --> 01:51:41,500
that he he's referring to.
And yet, there is not one man

1759
01:51:41,900 --> 01:51:46,100
presiding over Buddy.
Now I think maybe let's take a

1760
01:51:46,100 --> 01:51:49,100
step back and discuss the
concept of presidency.

1761
01:51:49,400 --> 01:51:53,300
So presidency, you know, the way
that we interpret the term the

1762
01:51:53,308 --> 01:52:01,000
day is, he's kind of the guy,
the man that the king, you know,

1763
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:03,900
he's like the American version
of the king of England is the

1764
01:52:03,900 --> 01:52:06,800
president of the United States
and the presence of the church

1765
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:09,900
is the, you know, the
ecclesiastical equivalent of the

1766
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:12,300
king of the u.s. sort of England
or whatever.

1767
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:17,900
And that is a completely foreign
concept to the days of the early

1768
01:52:17,900 --> 01:52:21,500
American Colonial period, as
well as the early church period.

1769
01:52:21,900 --> 01:52:25,700
You know, when we talk about
George Washington and his role

1770
01:52:25,700 --> 01:52:28,900
within the Continental Congress.
When the Earth the yeah, when

1771
01:52:29,100 --> 01:52:34,100
not the, the body that wrote the
Constitution Constitutional

1772
01:52:34,100 --> 01:52:35,800
Convention.
Yes.

1773
01:52:36,200 --> 01:52:44,300
So he served as the president.
Of the assembly. now

1774
01:52:45,200 --> 01:52:50,200
interestingly, He said almost
nothing right during he

1775
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:53,900
presided.
Over that whole convention.

1776
01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:56,700
But like you read the
transcript.

1777
01:52:56,700 --> 01:53:00,600
He almost said nothing because
what he usually did was he

1778
01:53:00,600 --> 01:53:03,100
turned the time over to the
chairman of the committee of the

1779
01:53:03,100 --> 01:53:06,100
whole who would then facilitate
discussion from various

1780
01:53:06,100 --> 01:53:07,800
factions.
As they would debate that, you

1781
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:12,000
know, various things ideas,
Concepts forms of, for the as

1782
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:16,700
they were crafting, the
Constitution, the president was

1783
01:53:16,900 --> 01:53:21,900
viewed as the person who
regulated discourse, who made

1784
01:53:21,900 --> 01:53:23,600
it?
It's made certain that every

1785
01:53:23,600 --> 01:53:28,300
voice was heard who made sure
that they followed parliamentary

1786
01:53:28,300 --> 01:53:32,500
procedure or in other words,
followed rules to regulate, so

1787
01:53:32,500 --> 01:53:35,800
that one guy didn't talk for
five hours and Cog up all

1788
01:53:35,800 --> 01:53:37,500
everybody's time.
And then the other guy, the

1789
01:53:37,500 --> 01:53:40,000
counter-argument only got three
seconds to rebut it then.

1790
01:53:40,200 --> 01:53:43,600
Like there were they followed
rules, they call it Robert's

1791
01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:46,700
Rules of Order.
And this was a principle that

1792
01:53:46,700 --> 01:53:51,800
was very sacred synced like very
highly regarded.

1793
01:53:51,800 --> 01:53:55,300
And And like at the Forefront of
the American Colonial period?

1794
01:53:55,700 --> 01:53:59,400
Well Joseph Smith was first
generation after the American

1795
01:53:59,400 --> 01:54:02,700
Income.
You know, Revolution the

1796
01:54:02,700 --> 01:54:06,300
Revolution and the establishment
of the of the nation of America.

1797
01:54:06,900 --> 01:54:10,900
These things were were very
carefully handed down to the

1798
01:54:10,900 --> 01:54:13,300
Next Generation.
And Joseph, and most of his

1799
01:54:13,300 --> 01:54:18,800
peers had that same perspective
and and one really clear.

1800
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:22,400
Proof the concrete evidence that
what I'm saying?

1801
01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:24,800
I'm not just making this up.
Is if you go and look at the

1802
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:28,300
minutes from the Nauvoo Relief
Society, you know the novel

1803
01:54:28,300 --> 01:54:34,400
Relief Society was organized in
Nauvoo and Joseph Smith was

1804
01:54:34,400 --> 01:54:42,500
present and he presided But he
got over ruled on various things

1805
01:54:42,500 --> 01:54:44,600
for instance.
The name of the Relief Society,

1806
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:47,600
you know, he proposed some
Society.

1807
01:54:47,600 --> 01:54:49,700
Like I can't even remember
exact.

1808
01:54:49,700 --> 01:54:52,700
It's been a few years but so he
proposed us a name.

1809
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:55,400
John Taylor, agreed.
Hey, I like that name.

1810
01:54:55,500 --> 01:54:59,000
They were both present at this
meeting and, you know, in our

1811
01:54:59,000 --> 01:55:02,400
modern Minds we would think
well, if the profit was to make

1812
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:07,400
a suggestion who would dare to,
you know, defy that That or

1813
01:55:07,400 --> 01:55:10,500
disagree you know because we
have to sustain the prophet.

1814
01:55:10,500 --> 01:55:14,600
You know like this this concept
of presidency has become so

1815
01:55:15,300 --> 01:55:19,000
dogmatist in our minds and and
hierarchy is like a hierarchy.

1816
01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:23,200
Well the function of the
president you know he kind of he

1817
01:55:23,200 --> 01:55:28,500
was presiding over the meeting
but Eliza R snow pipes up and

1818
01:55:28,500 --> 01:55:30,500
he's like I don't think that's a
good name at all and it'll

1819
01:55:30,500 --> 01:55:33,300
confuse us with various other.
There's it's like a common you

1820
01:55:33,300 --> 01:55:36,700
know doll dime-a-dozen type of a
name that there's all sorts of

1821
01:55:36,700 --> 01:55:38,000
others.
Societies out there.

1822
01:55:38,100 --> 01:55:40,500
We need to be called the relief
society and she made her case

1823
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:46,700
and I think Emma Smith agreed
and Joseph like yield, you got

1824
01:55:46,700 --> 01:55:51,600
it that you you persuaded me.
And and so it became known as

1825
01:55:51,600 --> 01:55:54,700
the female really Society of
Nauvoo the organization of the

1826
01:55:54,700 --> 01:55:58,800
sisters there.
So presidency is more a

1827
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:02,700
facilitator or to make sure all
voices are heard to make sure

1828
01:56:02,700 --> 01:56:07,800
that order is preserved, but not
in any way to be the man, you

1829
01:56:07,800 --> 01:56:10,700
know, dictating to anybody else
what they're going to do, or,

1830
01:56:10,700 --> 01:56:13,300
you know, issuing marching
orders or anything like that.

1831
01:56:13,800 --> 01:56:17,400
And you know, sadly, Brigham
Young because of the strength of

1832
01:56:17,407 --> 01:56:21,600
his personality and some of the
I guess expediency is of his

1833
01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:24,700
day.
Sometimes ventured into the

1834
01:56:24,700 --> 01:56:30,100
territory of You know, the more
dogmatic top-down, you know,

1835
01:56:30,100 --> 01:56:33,000
approach of leadership and I'm
not Brigham's judge.

1836
01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:36,800
I'm not saying he, you know, I'm
not criticizing and necessarily

1837
01:56:36,900 --> 01:56:40,100
for a lot of those cases because
I think he meant well, he's his

1838
01:56:40,100 --> 01:56:43,800
heart was in the right place and
the, you know, and it good

1839
01:56:43,800 --> 01:56:46,700
happened.
Good resulted from it, but it's

1840
01:56:46,700 --> 01:56:51,500
sadly set a bad precedent and
you know, that precedent became

1841
01:56:51,900 --> 01:56:55,600
level, you know, elevated to the
point of being a tradition and

1842
01:56:55,600 --> 01:57:00,200
that Mission has become elevated
to the point of being a dogma of

1843
01:57:00,200 --> 01:57:02,600
Mormonism.
Which is that you do what the

1844
01:57:02,608 --> 01:57:05,000
prophet says, no questions
asked.

1845
01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:07,900
And if you, if you question your
on the high road to apostasy

1846
01:57:08,900 --> 01:57:11,400
does that answer your kind of
what you were trying to make

1847
01:57:11,400 --> 01:57:13,600
think?
So I think so I'm I'm just

1848
01:57:13,600 --> 01:57:17,800
trying to get a good good.
I wanted to parse that out a

1849
01:57:17,800 --> 01:57:20,500
little bit.
Yeah, now there were times that

1850
01:57:20,500 --> 01:57:24,700
Joseph did issued direct
marching orders though, correct?

1851
01:57:24,700 --> 01:57:25,800
Correct?
Okay.

1852
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:28,000
Okay.
Yeah.

1853
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:29,600
All right.
Yeah.

1854
01:57:29,600 --> 01:57:37,200
And I think that that that is
absolutely when God commands you

1855
01:57:37,200 --> 01:57:42,200
obey and if God gives a command
through a mouthpiece like a

1856
01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:46,100
Joseph or a Brigham or whatever.
That's one thing it's when when

1857
01:57:46,100 --> 01:57:49,900
Joseph or Brigham if they ever
were to venture into this idea

1858
01:57:49,900 --> 01:57:51,900
of?
Well I think that this should

1859
01:57:51,900 --> 01:57:53,700
happen.
Therefore I'm commanding you

1860
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:56,900
under my authority rather than
under God's Direction.

1861
01:57:57,600 --> 01:57:59,500
That's where it becomes
problematic.

1862
01:57:59,500 --> 01:58:05,000
And now we have a man rule of
man rather than rule of God, I

1863
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:08,200
think that's probably a real
good way to put it.

1864
01:58:08,200 --> 01:58:14,000
When somebody is ruling by the
force of Their Own, Their own

1865
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:15,900
will rather than the will of
God.

1866
01:58:15,900 --> 01:58:18,500
I think that's where the problem
was.

1867
01:58:18,500 --> 01:58:21,300
So no, I'm good with that.
I think we parse that out.

1868
01:58:21,700 --> 01:58:24,400
Yeah.
Sorry to take you off in the

1869
01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:26,600
weeds.
They're not at not a problem.

1870
01:58:26,600 --> 01:58:29,300
This is just kind of a little
intermission before we get back

1871
01:58:29,300 --> 01:58:32,800
into some other quotes back to
the, to the previous points.

1872
01:58:33,100 --> 01:58:37,900
But I wanted to put this because
there are those who say that

1873
01:58:37,900 --> 01:58:42,000
after Joseph, death visions and
Revelations ceased.

1874
01:58:42,700 --> 01:58:48,200
No.
And I want to present this from

1875
01:58:48,200 --> 01:58:54,600
Charlie Pratt in 1845 444
actually, because it was on his

1876
01:58:54,600 --> 01:58:59,500
he recorded in 1845, but it was
in his journal, his

1877
01:58:59,500 --> 01:59:03,800
autobiography about something
that happened to 1844 doubtless.

1878
01:59:03,800 --> 01:59:05,200
With the most of the present
assembly.

1879
01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:07,600
It is the beginning of a new era
in their lives.

1880
01:59:07,600 --> 01:59:09,700
They've come to a time they
never saw before.

1881
01:59:11,000 --> 01:59:15,700
Oh wait, did I skip down?
Where did it go?

1882
01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:17,800
There we go.
Sorry, I skipped down.

1883
01:59:18,200 --> 01:59:21,400
So this is 1844 as I walked
along over the plains of

1884
01:59:21,400 --> 01:59:23,500
Illinois.
Lonely, in solitary, I reflected

1885
01:59:23,500 --> 01:59:25,500
as follows.
I am now Drawing Near to the

1886
01:59:25,500 --> 01:59:27,900
Beloved City in a day or two.
I shall be there.

1887
01:59:28,100 --> 01:59:31,900
How shall I meet The Sorrowing
widows, and orphans referring to

1888
01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:35,600
the, The Smiths widows and
orphans?

1889
01:59:36,100 --> 01:59:38,100
How shall I meet the Aged in
Wood a model?

1890
01:59:38,100 --> 01:59:40,500
For these two Motors?
How shall I meet an entire

1891
01:59:40,500 --> 01:59:43,500
Community bow down with grief
and sorrow unutterable?

1892
01:59:43,800 --> 01:59:46,300
What shall I say?
A or how can solo and advise

1893
01:59:46,300 --> 01:59:49,100
25,000 people who will throng
about me in tears.

1894
01:59:49,100 --> 01:59:51,000
And in the absence of my
president, than the older

1895
01:59:51,000 --> 01:59:53,700
members of the now, presiding
Council will ask council at my

1896
01:59:53,700 --> 01:59:59,500
hands, shall I tell them to fly
to the Wilderness and deserts I

1897
01:59:59,500 --> 02:00:01,300
mean they just killed the
prophet, right?

1898
02:00:01,800 --> 02:00:03,400
That's going to stop.
The Army from coming in and

1899
02:00:03,400 --> 02:00:05,400
taking care of the rest, or
shall I?

1900
02:00:05,400 --> 02:00:07,500
Tell them to stay at home and
take care of themselves and

1901
02:00:07,500 --> 02:00:10,900
continue to build a temple with
these Reflections and inquiries.

1902
02:00:10,900 --> 02:00:13,800
I walked onward way down as it
were unto death.

1903
02:00:14,500 --> 02:00:15,800
When I could endure it no
longer.

1904
02:00:15,800 --> 02:00:19,400
I cried out aloud saying O Lord
in the name of Jesus Christ.

1905
02:00:19,400 --> 02:00:22,100
I pray thee, show me what these
things mean, and what shall I

1906
02:00:22,100 --> 02:00:26,300
say to thy people?
On a sudden, the spirit of God

1907
02:00:26,300 --> 02:00:28,700
Came Upon me and filled my heart
with joy and gladness

1908
02:00:28,700 --> 02:00:31,200
Indescribable.
And while the spirit of

1909
02:00:31,208 --> 02:00:34,200
Revelation glowed in my bosom
with as visible of warmth and

1910
02:00:34,200 --> 02:00:38,500
gladness as if it were fire, the
spirit said unto me quote, lift

1911
02:00:38,500 --> 02:00:40,500
up your head and rejoice for
behold.

1912
02:00:40,500 --> 02:00:42,600
It Is Well with My servants,
Joseph and Hyrum.

1913
02:00:42,900 --> 02:00:45,900
My servant Joseph still holds
the keys of my kingdom in this

1914
02:00:45,900 --> 02:00:48,800
dispensation and he shall stand
and do time on the earth in the

1915
02:00:48,800 --> 02:00:51,100
flesh and fulfill that to which
he is appointed.

1916
02:00:51,600 --> 02:00:54,000
Go and say unto my people in our
view that they shall.

1917
02:00:54,200 --> 02:00:56,800
Continue to pursue their daily
duties and take care of

1918
02:00:56,800 --> 02:00:59,600
themselves and make no movement
in church government and to

1919
02:00:59,600 --> 02:01:02,000
reorganize, or alter anything
until the return of the

1920
02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:03,500
remainder of the Quorum of The
Twelve.

1921
02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:06,600
But exhort them that they
continue to build the house of

1922
02:01:06,600 --> 02:01:09,100
the Lord which I have commanded
them to build in Nauvoo.

1923
02:01:12,600 --> 02:01:14,300
Wow.
Beautiful.

1924
02:01:14,700 --> 02:01:17,900
Yeah, I'm from Orson.
Hide a second witness of this

1925
02:01:17,900 --> 02:01:19,900
kind of approach.
This this game plan.

1926
02:01:19,900 --> 02:01:22,600
We've had a charge given us by
our Prophet that charge we

1927
02:01:22,600 --> 02:01:27,700
intend to honor and magnify it
was given in March last 1844.

1928
02:01:27,700 --> 02:01:31,100
He said, let no man take your
crown and do you should have to

1929
02:01:31,100 --> 02:01:34,100
walk right into death fear, not,
neither be dismayed.

1930
02:01:34,400 --> 02:01:37,400
You have to die.
But once to us, were committed.

1931
02:01:37,400 --> 02:01:39,700
The Keys of the Kingdom and
every gift key in power that

1932
02:01:39,700 --> 02:01:44,100
Joseph ever had confirmed Upon
Our Heads. anointing which

1933
02:01:44,100 --> 02:01:49,400
brother Rigdon never did receive
It was 19th of September 1844.

1934
02:01:52,300 --> 02:01:56,100
I think that's important because
some of the people who are you

1935
02:01:56,108 --> 02:01:59,400
know having these Faith crises
presented by the anti-polygamy

1936
02:01:59,400 --> 02:02:02,500
crowd are going back and like
questioning will.

1937
02:02:02,500 --> 02:02:04,900
Maybe be Sidney Rigdon was
really should have been the

1938
02:02:04,900 --> 02:02:08,000
rightful successor or maybe you
know, James straying or I mean

1939
02:02:08,000 --> 02:02:13,200
there's various players in this
kind of bid for successorship,

1940
02:02:13,200 --> 02:02:17,600
right?
and, you know, these are the

1941
02:02:17,600 --> 02:02:25,100
types of things that That
corroborate the fact that the

1942
02:02:25,100 --> 02:02:28,000
Quorum of The Twelve.
Now they were Apostles.

1943
02:02:28,300 --> 02:02:31,000
They were many, some of them
were ordained Apostles, back in

1944
02:02:31,000 --> 02:02:34,000
1836, but it was really because
of the anointing, the second

1945
02:02:34,000 --> 02:02:39,500
anointing that they held the
right to preside in the keys to

1946
02:02:39,500 --> 02:02:43,400
obtain the Revelation and the
duty responsibility to lead the

1947
02:02:43,407 --> 02:02:47,700
church after the martyrdom.
Now, I want to share this, this

1948
02:02:47,700 --> 02:02:50,700
is actually from my grandfather,
one of my grandpa's his name.

1949
02:02:50,800 --> 02:02:52,900
A misalignment.
He was actually a counselor to

1950
02:02:52,900 --> 02:02:54,800
Joseph Smith in the first
presidency.

1951
02:02:55,100 --> 02:02:59,400
His what's ironic is Joseph
Smith, he had two counselors.

1952
02:02:59,400 --> 02:03:02,300
One was Sidney Rigdon, and one
was William law in the first

1953
02:03:02,300 --> 02:03:07,300
presidency and Sydney, abandoned
him move back to.

1954
02:03:07,600 --> 02:03:09,800
I think it was Pittsburgh or
Philadelphia somewhere in

1955
02:03:09,800 --> 02:03:14,800
Pennsylvania, ironically because
Joseph Smith wrote a letter to

1956
02:03:14,800 --> 02:03:18,700
Sydney's daughter Nancy.
And part of the letter is very

1957
02:03:18,700 --> 02:03:20,000
famous.
Everybody knows it.

1958
02:03:20,100 --> 02:03:22,600
It's the Part that says,
happiness is the object and

1959
02:03:22,600 --> 02:03:24,600
design of our existence in will
be the end thereof.

1960
02:03:24,600 --> 02:03:29,100
If we pursue the path that leads
to it, what is not nearly as

1961
02:03:29,100 --> 02:03:33,200
widely known is the fact that he
was proposing marriage in that

1962
02:03:33,200 --> 02:03:37,900
letter to Nancy rigged in and
she revolted revealed at the

1963
02:03:37,900 --> 02:03:42,400
idea and told her dad and you
know he abandoned Joseph over

1964
02:03:42,400 --> 02:03:46,000
the principle of polygamy and
that's why Sidney Rigdon was not

1965
02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:49,200
ever involved in the Quorum of
anointed and receiving those

1966
02:03:49,200 --> 02:03:52,800
second anointings.
On the, on the other hand, you

1967
02:03:52,800 --> 02:03:56,700
had William law.
Who did attend one Quorum of

1968
02:03:56,700 --> 02:04:01,400
anointed meeting and never
attended again and William law.

1969
02:04:01,800 --> 02:04:05,300
Also wrote an affidavit in the
Nauvoo Expositor detailing

1970
02:04:05,300 --> 02:04:08,600
section 132 with a lot of
details and a lot of the folks

1971
02:04:08,600 --> 02:04:13,300
who claim that Brigham Young in
invented section 132 or or that

1972
02:04:13,300 --> 02:04:15,400
it was something that was given
afterward.

1973
02:04:16,100 --> 02:04:19,000
You have to completely ignore
the facts.

1974
02:04:19,200 --> 02:04:22,600
That William law was It has a
vocal opponent.

1975
02:04:22,600 --> 02:04:24,500
He was.
This would be like if Dylan a

1976
02:04:24,500 --> 02:04:29,900
chokes apostatize and then
stirred up a mob of folks to go

1977
02:04:29,900 --> 02:04:32,900
and murder Russell him Nelson.
I mean it's just an

1978
02:04:32,907 --> 02:04:35,000
incomprehensible but that's what
we're dealing with here.

1979
02:04:35,000 --> 02:04:37,300
It was William law was the first
counselor in the first

1980
02:04:37,300 --> 02:04:41,900
presidency and and he was one of
the main perpetrators that

1981
02:04:41,900 --> 02:04:45,200
revile you know, rile up the,
the mob and led to the

1982
02:04:45,200 --> 02:04:49,100
martyrdom.
And so the funny thing is Joseph

1983
02:04:49,100 --> 02:04:52,700
tried to release these guys from
From being his counselors and

1984
02:04:52,700 --> 02:04:55,200
the church voted against him
because they like them.

1985
02:04:55,600 --> 02:04:58,000
And, you know, they didn't know
what was going on behind the

1986
02:04:58,000 --> 02:05:00,800
scenes and so, they're just
like, well, no, we like, brother

1987
02:05:00,800 --> 02:05:03,800
Rigdon and brother were lost.
No, we like them to be your

1988
02:05:03,800 --> 02:05:05,200
counselors and Joseph, like,
fine.

1989
02:05:05,700 --> 02:05:07,600
I meet a, I need a counselor, I
can trust.

1990
02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:10,300
So he calls animus alignment to
be a third counselor, and he was

1991
02:05:10,300 --> 02:05:12,500
the only one in, you know, in
good standing.

1992
02:05:12,500 --> 02:05:14,500
A misalignment, received a
second anointing, he's part of

1993
02:05:14,500 --> 02:05:18,200
the corpsman of anointed.
Anyway, the reason I want to

1994
02:05:18,200 --> 02:05:20,600
share this quote from him is
this, isn't it?

1995
02:05:20,700 --> 02:05:22,300
Dress.
He gave to some of the Nauvoo

1996
02:05:22,300 --> 02:05:25,600
endowment companies and, you
know, because we like to think

1997
02:05:25,600 --> 02:05:29,600
about what we get out of the
endowment, you know, it's were

1998
02:05:29,600 --> 02:05:31,900
endowed with power and we make
these covenants and were

1999
02:05:31,900 --> 02:05:35,100
promised these blessings and
Eternity and stuff, but I think

2000
02:05:35,100 --> 02:05:38,500
there's a far more practical
aspect of the endowment.

2001
02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:43,200
We often either miss or just
take lightly, or don't

2002
02:05:43,200 --> 02:05:46,000
understand.
And he speaks to this, this

2003
02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:50,000
comes in 1845 from a
misalignment doubtless, with

2004
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:52,500
most of the An assembly.
It is the beginning of a new era

2005
02:05:52,500 --> 02:05:54,700
in their lives.
They have come to a time they

2006
02:05:54,700 --> 02:05:57,900
never saw before they've come to
the commencement of a knowledge

2007
02:05:57,900 --> 02:06:00,000
of of things, and it is
necessary.

2008
02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:01,900
They should be riveted on their
minds.

2009
02:06:01,900 --> 02:06:04,500
One important thing to be
understood in this that Those

2010
02:06:04,500 --> 02:06:06,500
portions of the priesthood,
which you have received are all

2011
02:06:06,500 --> 02:06:08,300
essential matters.
It is not merely that you may

2012
02:06:08,300 --> 02:06:10,300
see these things that are
promised but it is.

2013
02:06:10,300 --> 02:06:13,100
A matter of fact, a matter of
that has to do directly with

2014
02:06:13,100 --> 02:06:16,200
your salvation, it puts you in
possession of those keys by

2015
02:06:16,200 --> 02:06:20,100
which you can ask for things you
need and obtain them.

2016
02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:24,200
This is the key by which to
obtain all the glory and

2017
02:06:24,200 --> 02:06:27,500
Felicity of eternal life.
It is the key, by which you

2018
02:06:27,500 --> 02:06:30,500
approach God, no impression,
which you receive peer should be

2019
02:06:30,500 --> 02:06:32,500
lost.
It was to rivet the recollection

2020
02:06:32,500 --> 02:06:34,700
of the tokens and Covenants in
your memory, like a nail in a

2021
02:06:34,700 --> 02:06:36,700
sure place,
never-to-be-forgotten the

2022
02:06:36,700 --> 02:06:38,600
scenery through which you have
passed, his actually laying

2023
02:06:38,600 --> 02:06:40,600
before.
He would picture or map by which

2024
02:06:40,600 --> 02:06:43,000
you are to travel through life
and obtain an entrance into the

2025
02:06:43,000 --> 02:06:46,100
Celestial Kingdom.
Hereafter, if you are found

2026
02:06:46,100 --> 02:06:48,700
worthy and maintain your
integrity integrity and do not

2027
02:06:48,700 --> 02:06:51,100
run away and think you've got
all your endowment, You'll be

2028
02:06:51,100 --> 02:06:54,000
found worthy after a while,
which will make you honorable,

2029
02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:56,100
with God.
You have not yet been ordained

2030
02:06:56,100 --> 02:06:59,600
to anything, but will be by.
And by you have received these

2031
02:06:59,600 --> 02:07:01,100
things because of your
compliance with all the

2032
02:07:01,108 --> 02:07:04,300
requisitions of the law.
And if faithful, you Ro receive

2033
02:07:04,300 --> 02:07:08,400
more, you have learned how you
have now learned how to pray,

2034
02:07:08,900 --> 02:07:11,200
you've been taught to approach
God and be recognized.

2035
02:07:11,500 --> 02:07:14,200
This is the principle by which
the church has been kept

2036
02:07:14,200 --> 02:07:16,300
together and not the power of
arms.

2037
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:19,400
A few individuals have asked for
your preservation and their

2038
02:07:19,400 --> 02:07:21,700
prayers have been answered.
And it is this which is

2039
02:07:21,700 --> 02:07:24,100
preserved you from being
scattered to the Four Winds.

2040
02:07:24,600 --> 02:07:26,200
Those who have learned to
approach God and receive.

2041
02:07:26,200 --> 02:07:27,700
The blessings.
Are they better than you?

2042
02:07:28,300 --> 02:07:30,500
The difference is they have been
permitted to have these things

2043
02:07:30,500 --> 02:07:32,900
revealed unto them, the
principles, which have been

2044
02:07:32,900 --> 02:07:34,700
opened to.
You are the things which ought

2045
02:07:34,700 --> 02:07:36,600
to occupy your attention, all
your lives.

2046
02:07:36,800 --> 02:07:40,000
They are not second to anything,
you have the key by which if you

2047
02:07:40,000 --> 02:07:41,500
are faithful, you will claim on
you.

2048
02:07:41,900 --> 02:07:44,500
You and posterity all the
blessings of the priesthood.

2049
02:07:45,300 --> 02:07:48,300
Now this period of history
between the martyrdom and The

2050
02:07:48,300 --> 02:07:52,800
Exodus is often.
And I just glossed over this was

2051
02:07:52,800 --> 02:08:01,200
a long period of fear and just
it's Menace, like there was a

2052
02:08:01,200 --> 02:08:04,100
lot of things threatening to
destroy the church, you know,

2053
02:08:04,500 --> 02:08:06,800
literally physically like armies
mobs.

2054
02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:09,400
Wanting to come in and just
murder and rape, everybody, and

2055
02:08:09,400 --> 02:08:12,400
drive him out, let alone, the
political pressures of.

2056
02:08:12,600 --> 02:08:14,700
Hey, you guys are a problem.
Get out.

2057
02:08:15,000 --> 02:08:17,600
We don't want you here, you
know, we don't want to deal with

2058
02:08:17,600 --> 02:08:20,400
you, but the saints were not
prepared.

2059
02:08:20,700 --> 02:08:23,500
R22 to leave and go out west
yet.

2060
02:08:23,700 --> 02:08:27,500
And so, during this point, there
were a lot of, you know,

2061
02:08:27,900 --> 02:08:30,100
trumped-up charges brought
against various leaders in the

2062
02:08:30,100 --> 02:08:34,400
church and the sheriff, like
there was a lot of pressure and,

2063
02:08:35,000 --> 02:08:38,700
you know, you you read the
history and its really well

2064
02:08:38,700 --> 02:08:41,900
documented in Devery Anderson's
books.

2065
02:08:42,100 --> 02:08:44,700
Joseph, scorm of anointed in the
Nauvoo endowment companies.

2066
02:08:45,300 --> 02:08:47,400
He goes through.
This is just a documentary, a

2067
02:08:47,400 --> 02:08:49,900
slight chronologically
organized, all of the source

2068
02:08:49,900 --> 02:08:53,200
materials People journals and
the minutes from these corner of

2069
02:08:53,208 --> 02:08:57,700
anointed meetings and they are
addressing the massive threats

2070
02:08:57,700 --> 02:09:01,200
to the, you know, the
preservation of the church and

2071
02:09:01,300 --> 02:09:04,900
of the lives of various people
at different points and they

2072
02:09:04,900 --> 02:09:08,600
come together and they're like,
shoot, do we need to call up the

2073
02:09:08,600 --> 02:09:10,300
militia?
Do we need to take up arms to

2074
02:09:10,300 --> 02:09:12,300
defend our lives.
Our families are in our

2075
02:09:12,300 --> 02:09:15,000
freedoms.
And, you know, they would bring

2076
02:09:15,000 --> 02:09:18,600
these things to the Lord and
they would get an answer that

2077
02:09:18,600 --> 02:09:20,800
said, I'll take care of it.
It.

2078
02:09:21,500 --> 02:09:25,400
And lo and behold, God took care
of it.

2079
02:09:25,400 --> 02:09:28,700
Whether somebody just had to die
or whether some natural, you

2080
02:09:28,700 --> 02:09:31,700
know, freak storm out of the
blue flash.

2081
02:09:31,700 --> 02:09:34,700
Flood happened to, you know,
prevent somebody from coming

2082
02:09:34,700 --> 02:09:37,100
into the city limits.
Like there were these Divine

2083
02:09:37,100 --> 02:09:40,600
outpourings of protection and
blessing in a bit being upheld.

2084
02:09:40,800 --> 02:09:43,000
And that's what a misalignment
is referring to here.

2085
02:09:43,100 --> 02:09:45,300
And he's, attributing it to
prayer circles.

2086
02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:51,500
These, these things are sacred,
these things are Within the

2087
02:09:51,500 --> 02:09:56,000
reach of every endowed member.
And it's a, it's a damn shame

2088
02:09:56,000 --> 02:09:59,600
that the church has outlawed
prayer circles in our homes.

2089
02:09:59,600 --> 02:10:02,600
And, and, you know, the even
they used to even do them in

2090
02:10:02,600 --> 02:10:04,700
steak centers.
You know, every home used to

2091
02:10:04,708 --> 02:10:07,600
have an altar every every home
with an endowed couple had a

2092
02:10:07,600 --> 02:10:12,800
home altar that they could have
a sacred prayer and approach God

2093
02:10:13,200 --> 02:10:14,800
in their home in the sanctity of
their home.

2094
02:10:15,200 --> 02:10:18,200
And and then they kind of
centralized it up to the steak

2095
02:10:18,200 --> 02:10:21,600
centers and okay, well, you
know, if you want to do a prayer

2096
02:10:21,600 --> 02:10:24,500
circle, you gotta coordinate
with the stake president and you

2097
02:10:24,500 --> 02:10:26,400
do it in the steak center.
Special prayer room.

2098
02:10:26,600 --> 02:10:30,600
And I remember when I was really
young, look going into the old

2099
02:10:30,600 --> 02:10:33,700
stick center and being told Bo.
Yeah, that's the room upstairs.

2100
02:10:33,700 --> 02:10:35,900
Where they used to do prayer
meetings.

2101
02:10:36,800 --> 02:10:38,700
But we only do those in the
temple now.

2102
02:10:38,800 --> 02:10:41,400
And so now it's been completely
centralized up to the temples

2103
02:10:41,800 --> 02:10:45,200
and this is one of the great
endowments.

2104
02:10:45,200 --> 02:10:47,400
This is one of the greatest
gifts that the endowment gives

2105
02:10:47,400 --> 02:10:50,000
us his the teaches us how to
pray.

2106
02:10:50,800 --> 02:10:58,100
And an evil spirit teaches man.
Not to pray according for the

2107
02:10:58,100 --> 02:11:02,100
Book of Mormon there.
And and so these Divine

2108
02:11:02,100 --> 02:11:06,400
protections, these Divine
outpourings are available and

2109
02:11:06,500 --> 02:11:08,900
the teachings of men and false
traditions.

2110
02:11:08,900 --> 02:11:13,200
And you know the power grabs,
the the control and the

2111
02:11:13,208 --> 02:11:16,300
centralization of power has
stripped them from the hands of

2112
02:11:16,300 --> 02:11:20,900
most of our people.
And so I think that in and that

2113
02:11:20,900 --> 02:11:25,100
really is sad, right?
Because one of the main thrusts

2114
02:11:25,100 --> 02:11:29,900
of Mormonism and you can you can
hear it in how Joseph speaks

2115
02:11:29,900 --> 02:11:33,800
about things, right?
Joseph really was about look I

2116
02:11:33,800 --> 02:11:37,000
had my audience with the Lord
and you know what you can have

2117
02:11:37,000 --> 02:11:41,200
it too and a lot of the things
that that we do as Mormons were

2118
02:11:41,200 --> 02:11:47,100
geared around this idea of you
can approach God Yeah.

2119
02:11:47,200 --> 02:11:53,500
Not only you can you should
approach God and you should, you

2120
02:11:53,500 --> 02:11:57,400
should be in a place where you
should it, won't always happen,

2121
02:11:57,400 --> 02:12:01,100
but you should expect to receive
an answer, right?

2122
02:12:01,300 --> 02:12:06,000
If God is, who we say he is,
which is a loving father.

2123
02:12:07,200 --> 02:12:08,800
Why wouldn't he talk to us,
kids?

2124
02:12:09,500 --> 02:12:14,000
Right.
And so if there's one thing that

2125
02:12:14,800 --> 02:12:18,100
I picked up on early and It, I
could never, I didn't know what

2126
02:12:18,100 --> 02:12:19,500
it was.
I was picking up, but I could

2127
02:12:19,500 --> 02:12:23,500
tell something was just off with
in the LDS church.

2128
02:12:23,500 --> 02:12:28,700
It was this idea of having
sacred experience almost, you

2129
02:12:28,700 --> 02:12:30,800
know, encounters with the
Divine.

2130
02:12:31,100 --> 02:12:34,200
And I think that as Mormons, if
we're not having those

2131
02:12:34,200 --> 02:12:38,400
experiences, we really need to
take a step back and say, okay,

2132
02:12:38,400 --> 02:12:41,600
then the maybe I need to
reorient myself here a little

2133
02:12:41,600 --> 02:12:43,500
bit.
Yeah.

2134
02:12:44,200 --> 02:12:45,900
And that was one of the.
Yeah.

2135
02:12:46,100 --> 02:12:48,300
And that was one big.
Yeah.

2136
02:12:48,700 --> 02:12:52,000
And that was one of the big
things I noticed coming out of

2137
02:12:52,600 --> 02:12:57,800
the LDS church into
fundamentalism was and I had a

2138
02:12:57,800 --> 02:13:02,000
very sacred experience one that
I'm not sure I'll ever reveal

2139
02:13:02,900 --> 02:13:07,900
coming out of the LDS church and
as I revealed this to other

2140
02:13:07,900 --> 02:13:11,100
people they're like oh yeah.
Yeah, no.

2141
02:13:11,200 --> 02:13:18,300
Totally and I'm like, It wasn't
odd, right?

2142
02:13:20,200 --> 02:13:24,300
And so yeah, if we're not having
those encounters with the

2143
02:13:24,300 --> 02:13:31,200
Divine, I think we really aren't
president or yeah, we're not

2144
02:13:31,200 --> 02:13:33,400
practicing.
What Mormonism was designed to

2145
02:13:33,400 --> 02:13:34,700
be?
Yeah.

2146
02:13:34,700 --> 02:13:37,100
We're not living up to our
Privileges and our callings.

2147
02:13:37,400 --> 02:13:39,800
Right.
And you know what, I guess, one

2148
02:13:39,800 --> 02:13:42,200
other quick thing kind of going
back to one of the many things

2149
02:13:42,200 --> 02:13:45,300
that we had discussed earlier on
the, a misalignment talks about.

2150
02:13:45,300 --> 02:13:50,600
He's like, I, you know, you've
received this, there is more,

2151
02:13:51,100 --> 02:13:53,700
you haven't received everything
because this was the first

2152
02:13:53,700 --> 02:13:58,000
endowment companies but he's
like, but this is enough for

2153
02:13:58,000 --> 02:14:00,700
now.
Let this take your focus and

2154
02:14:00,700 --> 02:14:04,400
Ponder on these things, rest of
your life and by and by there's

2155
02:14:04,400 --> 02:14:08,200
more.
And so like I think that

2156
02:14:08,200 --> 02:14:14,200
receiving ordinances, yes, that
the principal ordinances

2157
02:14:14,200 --> 02:14:17,900
baptism.
Sacrament, excuse me

2158
02:14:17,900 --> 02:14:19,800
confirmation, you know,
receiving the gift of the Holy

2159
02:14:19,800 --> 02:14:24,800
Ghost, sack Sacrament, these
Preparatory gospels.

2160
02:14:24,800 --> 02:14:28,400
The the work of the sun, if you
will, the Church of Christ,

2161
02:14:28,500 --> 02:14:34,100
these are the things that should
be given without nearly as much

2162
02:14:34,200 --> 02:14:36,600
of you.
No strings attached to putting,

2163
02:14:36,600 --> 02:14:40,600
you know, being the playing
gatekeeper, or whatever the

2164
02:14:40,600 --> 02:14:45,700
endowment and particular, the
second anointing, you know.

2165
02:14:46,000 --> 02:14:48,800
Nobody's going to be learning
the way.

2166
02:14:48,800 --> 02:14:51,600
Nobody gets these things because
they're worthy of them, nobody

2167
02:14:51,600 --> 02:14:54,300
earns the ability, the
worthiness to get receive

2168
02:14:54,300 --> 02:14:56,800
endowments.
It's always based off of, you

2169
02:14:56,800 --> 02:15:01,000
know, repentance and willingness
but there's a difference between

2170
02:15:01,000 --> 02:15:03,700
confessing with your mouth and
saying, yeah, I want those

2171
02:15:03,700 --> 02:15:05,200
things.
And yeah and they could be

2172
02:15:05,200 --> 02:15:08,100
completely sincere.
The endowment is Preparatory

2173
02:15:08,100 --> 02:15:11,000
though, the first endowment is a
preparation and then there's a

2174
02:15:11,000 --> 02:15:15,600
time that Lord waits to see, are
you going to be true?

2175
02:15:15,600 --> 02:15:20,600
And Faithful if so there's more
or you know even the Brethren

2176
02:15:20,600 --> 02:15:24,600
even discussed breaking it out
to do like breaking the first

2177
02:15:24,600 --> 02:15:27,300
endowment into two parts and
having the aaronic priesthood

2178
02:15:27,300 --> 02:15:31,700
being one event, one ceremony,
one ordinance and then the

2179
02:15:31,800 --> 02:15:35,700
priest, the Melchizedek
priesthood aspects and the robes

2180
02:15:35,700 --> 02:15:38,200
changing shoulders.
And all of that being a separate

2181
02:15:38,200 --> 02:15:43,300
ordinance and the point being
there is, let's we want people

2182
02:15:43,500 --> 02:15:49,700
to receive A little bit so that
they can then prove through

2183
02:15:49,700 --> 02:15:53,600
their faithfulness that they
really want more and then we

2184
02:15:53,600 --> 02:15:56,200
give them more and then we see
what they do there.

2185
02:15:56,200 --> 02:15:59,500
And it's this, it's this
progression.

2186
02:15:59,900 --> 02:16:03,800
And, you know, second anointings
were not given lightly to just

2187
02:16:03,800 --> 02:16:06,500
anybody.
It was to those who had proven

2188
02:16:06,500 --> 02:16:10,100
faithful through the fires of
adversity, and it was by

2189
02:16:10,100 --> 02:16:13,300
Revelation.
But even some of those who were

2190
02:16:13,300 --> 02:16:18,800
invited to receive the It's like
William La was invited by Joseph

2191
02:16:18,800 --> 02:16:24,100
to receive a second anointing.
And the way that he responded to

2192
02:16:24,100 --> 02:16:26,800
that invitation tells you
everything you need to know

2193
02:16:27,000 --> 02:16:32,700
about William law, obviously he
felt short from that.

2194
02:16:32,900 --> 02:16:39,100
So anyway, but yeah, there is I
hate to use the term worthiness

2195
02:16:39,100 --> 02:16:42,700
because then we just translate
that into thinking what we eat,

2196
02:16:42,700 --> 02:16:45,799
we have to follow the checklist
and prove that we've Earned it

2197
02:16:45,799 --> 02:16:47,700
or whatever, it's not about
that.

2198
02:16:47,700 --> 02:16:53,100
It's just our have we have have,
we patterned our lives in

2199
02:16:53,100 --> 02:16:56,100
accordance with what we feel and
desire in our hearts.

2200
02:16:56,100 --> 02:17:00,299
And what we say with our lips
and that takes time and that's

2201
02:17:00,299 --> 02:17:03,299
important, I don't think there's
anything wrong with the word

2202
02:17:03,299 --> 02:17:05,700
worthiness.
I think when we start talking

2203
02:17:05,700 --> 02:17:10,100
about worthiness, we need to
make sure that how I Define

2204
02:17:10,100 --> 02:17:13,900
worthy as the same way.
You define worthy, right?

2205
02:17:13,900 --> 02:17:17,000
It's one of those things like
like we could both be using the

2206
02:17:17,000 --> 02:17:20,700
term liberal and you I could be
speaking about George Washington

2207
02:17:20,700 --> 02:17:23,600
or you could be speaking about
Nancy Pelosi, right?

2208
02:17:23,799 --> 02:17:26,799
So, so the right that's one of
those words, I think comes

2209
02:17:26,799 --> 02:17:31,900
loaded with, with a certain
amount of let's define the terms

2210
02:17:31,900 --> 02:17:33,799
so to speak and then go from
there.

2211
02:17:35,900 --> 02:17:38,799
Okay, we're going to be skipping
ahead by some dates.

2212
02:17:38,799 --> 02:17:48,500
Now, this It's hard going back
to our our our day, Sammy

2213
02:17:48,500 --> 02:17:52,900
Richards and November 13th 1852
published an editorial in the

2214
02:17:52,907 --> 02:17:55,200
millennial star.
Some of these ideas were

2215
02:17:55,200 --> 02:17:58,299
attributed to Joseph Smith but
but they're written by Samuel

2216
02:17:58,299 --> 02:18:02,100
Richards in 1852.
We have heard men who hold the

2217
02:18:02,108 --> 02:18:04,000
priesthood remark that they
would do anything.

2218
02:18:04,000 --> 02:18:06,700
They were told to do by those
who preside over them even if

2219
02:18:06,700 --> 02:18:09,799
they knew it was wrong.
But such obedience says, this is

2220
02:18:09,799 --> 02:18:12,799
worse than Folly to us.
It is slavery in the extreme.

2221
02:18:13,000 --> 02:18:16,500
The Man Who Would thus willingly
degrade himself, should not

2222
02:18:16,500 --> 02:18:18,299
claim a rank among intelligent
beings.

2223
02:18:18,299 --> 02:18:22,000
Until he turns from his folly.
A man of God would despise the

2224
02:18:22,000 --> 02:18:25,200
idea others in the extreme
exercise of their Almighty

2225
02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:28,700
Authority, have taught that such
obedience was necessary and that

2226
02:18:28,708 --> 02:18:31,299
no matter what the saints were
told to do by their presidents,

2227
02:18:31,299 --> 02:18:34,600
they should do it without any
questions, when Elders of Israel

2228
02:18:34,600 --> 02:18:37,500
will so far indulge in these
extreme Notions of obedience as

2229
02:18:37,500 --> 02:18:40,700
to teach them to the people, it
is generally because they have

2230
02:18:40,700 --> 02:18:42,799
it in their hearts to do wrong
themselves.

2231
02:18:43,000 --> 02:18:47,799
Elves.
Pretty, pretty straightforward.

2232
02:18:49,700 --> 02:18:52,400
Here's a prophecy from Brigham
Young in the 1850s when

2233
02:18:52,400 --> 02:18:54,299
Mormonism finds favor with the
wicked.

2234
02:18:54,299 --> 02:18:57,000
In this land it will have gone
into the shade but until the

2235
02:18:57,000 --> 02:19:00,200
power of the priesthood is gone.
Mormonism will never become

2236
02:19:00,200 --> 02:19:08,900
popular with the wicked.
Leave it to Brigham to just draw

2237
02:19:08,900 --> 02:19:11,600
that line.
So start that you can't get

2238
02:19:11,600 --> 02:19:15,200
around it, there's another bomb
from Brigham 1850s.

2239
02:19:15,600 --> 02:19:18,000
And when the spirit of
persecution, a spirit of hatred

2240
02:19:18,000 --> 02:19:21,299
of Wrath and Malice ceases, The
world against this people, it

2241
02:19:21,299 --> 02:19:24,000
will be the time that this
people have apostatize, Dan

2242
02:19:24,000 --> 02:19:28,799
joined hands with the wicked.
You know that it doesn't

2243
02:19:28,799 --> 02:19:32,700
surprise me from Brigham.
I mean, Brigham Yuri Yuri

2244
02:19:32,700 --> 02:19:37,299
old-school Brigham man.
He was how know how to play.

2245
02:19:37,299 --> 02:19:39,799
He was kind of gangster.
I mean, there's no doubt about

2246
02:19:39,799 --> 02:19:43,400
it, right?
I mean, he was, he was, you

2247
02:19:43,400 --> 02:19:46,900
know, you never pulled a punch,
he never pulled a punch and man,

2248
02:19:46,900 --> 02:19:49,200
he, you knew exactly where he
stood with him.

2249
02:19:49,500 --> 02:19:52,700
I remember I just this week read
something out of the Journal of

2250
02:19:52,708 --> 02:19:55,300
discourses and I should have
wrote it down on where it is and

2251
02:19:55,300 --> 02:19:58,300
I didn't wear.
He's basically railing on the

2252
02:19:58,300 --> 02:20:02,000
idea of public education.
He's like, why would we invite

2253
02:20:02,000 --> 02:20:07,300
Babylon in to educate our kids.
So when Brigham and look at

2254
02:20:07,300 --> 02:20:09,100
where we are now with that,
right.

2255
02:20:09,500 --> 02:20:11,800
I wonder what he thinks about
the right University with his

2256
02:20:11,800 --> 02:20:13,900
name on it.
He's pissed.

2257
02:20:14,100 --> 02:20:18,700
I can't say that for certain but
I'm sure there's been more than

2258
02:20:18,700 --> 02:20:20,500
one conversation.
Ation where it's just like, can

2259
02:20:20,500 --> 02:20:22,000
we just get my name off the
building?

2260
02:20:22,500 --> 02:20:25,100
Can we just get on with
something else please?

2261
02:20:25,400 --> 02:20:27,700
Yeah.
Anything else, you know but not

2262
02:20:27,700 --> 02:20:29,100
that.
So yeah.

2263
02:20:29,100 --> 02:20:32,900
I really think that that Brigham
saw it, man.

2264
02:20:32,900 --> 02:20:36,800
Those all those early guys, they
knew it wasn't a matter.

2265
02:20:36,800 --> 02:20:40,600
I think for them, it wasn't a
matter of if it was definitely a

2266
02:20:40,600 --> 02:20:46,400
matter of when There's one more
from the 1860s Brigham said

2267
02:20:46,400 --> 02:20:49,300
there is nothing that would so
we can my hope and discourage me

2268
02:20:49,300 --> 02:20:52,500
as to see this people in full
fellowship with the world and

2269
02:20:52,500 --> 02:20:55,900
receive no more persecution from
them because they are one with

2270
02:20:55,900 --> 02:21:00,200
them.
Yeah, it's almost like we were

2271
02:21:00,200 --> 02:21:03,600
fulfilling Brigham's every fear.
Yeah.

2272
02:21:03,600 --> 02:21:06,100
Right.
His fears were apparently not

2273
02:21:06,100 --> 02:21:08,600
unfounded.
Now, this one brings it back.

2274
02:21:10,000 --> 02:21:15,000
1860 August 26. 1860 Brigham
Young said the ordinances of the

2275
02:21:15,000 --> 02:21:19,900
house of God are expressly for
the Church of the firstborn.

2276
02:21:22,700 --> 02:21:27,300
Now, the reason I think that's
significant is because the

2277
02:21:27,300 --> 02:21:33,300
church today claims to be
everything, they claim to be the

2278
02:21:33,300 --> 02:21:36,400
Church of Christ.
They don't really talk about the

2279
02:21:36,400 --> 02:21:39,600
Church of the firstborn, but I'm
sure somebody was depressed and

2280
02:21:39,600 --> 02:21:41,600
they Chuckling, oh yeah.
Well that's us to obviously

2281
02:21:41,600 --> 02:21:44,400
where the trooper the church.
They claim to be the kingdom of

2282
02:21:44,400 --> 02:21:47,600
God in Joseph.
Stay and throughout the, you

2283
02:21:47,600 --> 02:21:50,400
know, the lifetimes of the
Apostles.

2284
02:21:50,800 --> 02:21:54,300
Brigham John Taylor Wilford,
Woodruff learns of snow Etc.

2285
02:21:55,000 --> 02:21:58,300
These were very distinct
entities with different

2286
02:21:58,300 --> 02:22:02,400
membership rolls and very
different stated missions, and

2287
02:22:02,400 --> 02:22:06,600
goals and objectives to
accomplish the Church of Christ.

2288
02:22:06,800 --> 02:22:10,700
In other words, the general
assembly was to invite all It

2289
02:22:10,700 --> 02:22:14,500
was an open invitation to the
world to come and join come and

2290
02:22:14,500 --> 02:22:20,500
see and receive salvation the
Church of the firstborn.

2291
02:22:21,600 --> 02:22:25,000
Most of the Church of Christ.
Even in Josephson, Brigham's day

2292
02:22:25,300 --> 02:22:27,600
was not aware that such a thing
really.

2293
02:22:27,600 --> 02:22:29,600
Existed.
It was kind of more of a, you

2294
02:22:29,600 --> 02:22:32,200
know, by invitation by
Revelation type of a thing.

2295
02:22:32,600 --> 02:22:37,900
And so you know you could there
in these concepts are

2296
02:22:37,900 --> 02:22:40,900
interchangeable scripturally
with like the the Church of the

2297
02:22:40,900 --> 02:22:46,000
Father, the work of the Father,
the Church of the firstborn the

2298
02:22:46,000 --> 02:22:51,300
the Quorum of anointed and this
all has to do with temple work

2299
02:22:51,600 --> 02:22:57,400
that the temple is right.
And you know the truth the

2300
02:22:57,400 --> 02:23:01,300
kingdom who was a there's a
council of a 50 and people, you

2301
02:23:01,300 --> 02:23:03,700
know, you can do a lot of study
in the Council of 50.

2302
02:23:03,700 --> 02:23:05,800
It was a political entity.
Hmm.

2303
02:23:05,900 --> 02:23:09,300
You know, it was it was it
didn't even include all members

2304
02:23:09,300 --> 02:23:11,400
of the church.
There were some non members yet

2305
02:23:11,400 --> 02:23:16,300
account there were and and they
had a very stated goal to

2306
02:23:16,300 --> 02:23:21,900
establish the kingdom of God on
the earth in a literal temporal

2307
02:23:21,900 --> 02:23:26,000
sense, not just a symbolic, you
know, spiritual Gatherings, or

2308
02:23:26,000 --> 02:23:28,700
whatever you want to call it,
but literal and building up the

2309
02:23:28,700 --> 02:23:31,800
Physical City of Zion to fill
fulfill those prophecies.

2310
02:23:33,000 --> 02:23:36,700
And so like, these are three
distinct entities with distinct

2311
02:23:36,700 --> 02:23:40,700
missions and sadly I think
Brigham During the kind of

2312
02:23:40,700 --> 02:23:47,500
succession crisis, you can't
really make claims that you're

2313
02:23:47,500 --> 02:23:51,300
the rightful successor based off
of secret groups that the vast

2314
02:23:51,300 --> 02:23:55,000
vast majority of the feet people
are not aware of and so, but he

2315
02:23:55,000 --> 02:23:57,300
was the, presiding a member of
the Quorum of the twelve.

2316
02:23:57,300 --> 02:24:01,500
And so, I think a lot of these
discrete entities and Concepts

2317
02:24:01,500 --> 02:24:06,800
were kind of melded went to help
this.

2318
02:24:06,800 --> 02:24:10,500
The Saints sustained.
Brigham Young as The ordained

2319
02:24:10,500 --> 02:24:13,900
success sir to leave the church
and it wasn't originally

2320
02:24:13,900 --> 02:24:15,800
Brigham.
It was more like the Quorum of

2321
02:24:15,800 --> 02:24:19,200
The Twelve.
Brigham just happened to be the

2322
02:24:19,200 --> 02:24:21,900
voice that President, the, you
know, the senior member of the

2323
02:24:21,900 --> 02:24:26,600
Quorum.
And so these Concepts were kind

2324
02:24:26,600 --> 02:24:29,500
of conflated.
And so it's like, well was

2325
02:24:29,500 --> 02:24:34,500
Brigham acting as the president
of the Quorum of 12 over the

2326
02:24:34,500 --> 02:24:37,800
Church of Christ or was he
acting as the presiding King and

2327
02:24:37,900 --> 02:24:41,400
priest in the kingdom of God, or
The Church of the firstborn the

2328
02:24:41,400 --> 02:24:43,300
core of anointed.
Like it's it gets a little

2329
02:24:43,300 --> 02:24:46,800
blurry because he was kind of or
territorial Governor or.

2330
02:24:47,400 --> 02:24:53,400
Yeah.
And likewise We have a lot of

2331
02:24:53,400 --> 02:24:58,000
what Brigham said, but we don't
have from what I can tell, a lot

2332
02:24:58,000 --> 02:25:02,600
of journals from Brigham.
And I wish we had those because

2333
02:25:02,600 --> 02:25:05,200
I think that would have shed
some light on what it was.

2334
02:25:05,200 --> 02:25:08,700
He was thinking, one of the
things I thought about lately is

2335
02:25:09,700 --> 02:25:12,700
was he holding back on stuff
because he felt like, people

2336
02:25:12,700 --> 02:25:20,400
still weren't ready.
Was he still any number of

2337
02:25:20,400 --> 02:25:21,600
things, right?
Brigham.

2338
02:25:21,700 --> 02:25:25,900
Well, you know, he actually
lamented, he's kind of a little

2339
02:25:25,900 --> 02:25:29,800
bit, comes off a little bit
bitter that so many people

2340
02:25:29,800 --> 02:25:32,500
rejected the atom God Doctrine,
right?

2341
02:25:32,600 --> 02:25:36,600
And, and, and he took it, kind
of personally, he's like, well,

2342
02:25:36,600 --> 02:25:39,100
if Joseph had revealed that they
would have received it, it's

2343
02:25:39,100 --> 02:25:42,300
like, well Joseph, kind of did
reveal it.

2344
02:25:42,300 --> 02:25:45,100
Like why is Brigham taking the
fall for this thing that clearly

2345
02:25:45,100 --> 02:25:46,600
Joe?
Joseph was hinting and alluding

2346
02:25:46,600 --> 02:25:48,800
to with Ancient of Days
references and all of these

2347
02:25:48,800 --> 02:25:54,700
things and yet it Brigham kind
of just cut and dry black and

2348
02:25:54,700 --> 02:25:58,600
white set it in plain English.
And you know, he got a lot of

2349
02:25:58,600 --> 02:26:02,000
pushback even within the Quorum
Orson Pratt.

2350
02:26:02,300 --> 02:26:03,700
Yep.
Was really worse than him.

2351
02:26:03,700 --> 02:26:10,700
So epic battles and in the thing
was that You have to be blind to

2352
02:26:10,700 --> 02:26:12,300
see that.
That was not.

2353
02:26:13,300 --> 02:26:16,800
That that that was not given by
Joseph.

2354
02:26:16,800 --> 02:26:20,800
I mean he was the one who
revealed Eliza R snow tells you

2355
02:26:20,800 --> 02:26:25,000
he reveals it.
And so yeah.

2356
02:26:25,500 --> 02:26:28,500
Yeah I think she was taking.
Yeah.

2357
02:26:28,500 --> 02:26:32,600
She was just there all the time.
Every day.

2358
02:26:33,100 --> 02:26:36,800
It's amazing how much you can
just believe what you want to

2359
02:26:36,808 --> 02:26:40,600
believe when you don't know the
history, right?

2360
02:26:40,900 --> 02:26:43,600
Like you start studying the
history it's like ah I guess I

2361
02:26:43,600 --> 02:26:45,500
can't believe that thing.
I really wanted to it would have

2362
02:26:45,500 --> 02:26:48,700
been nice but anyway I want to
share one thing that kind of

2363
02:26:48,700 --> 02:26:51,000
drives back the importance of
the.

2364
02:26:51,700 --> 02:26:57,400
So this is backing up a little
bit to 1847 May 23rd parley.

2365
02:26:57,400 --> 02:27:00,700
Pratt took some minutes of a
meeting.

2366
02:27:01,400 --> 02:27:06,300
And in Winter quarters of the
Quorum and it says, quote, all

2367
02:27:06,300 --> 02:27:10,700
the 12 are like and keys power
might majesty and dominion and

2368
02:27:10,700 --> 02:27:13,000
the 70 are equal everyone in his
place.

2369
02:27:13,000 --> 02:27:16,400
And so are all who have the
fullness of the priesthood?

2370
02:27:16,700 --> 02:27:18,900
They are entitled to your faith
and prayers.

2371
02:27:19,500 --> 02:27:22,600
There's no middle or higher nor
lower family than those who are,

2372
02:27:22,600 --> 02:27:24,400
who have the fullness of the
priesthood.

2373
02:27:24,800 --> 02:27:27,400
Some say I go into brother,
Taylor's family or some a little

2374
02:27:27,400 --> 02:27:30,900
higher into woodruff's or
heber's or Orson hides There is

2375
02:27:30,900 --> 02:27:33,800
no rigging ISM.
String is MM and every other

2376
02:27:33,800 --> 02:27:36,900
ISM.
We are one we are equal so far

2377
02:27:36,900 --> 02:27:40,100
as our conduct is equal.
You are not higher, nor lower in

2378
02:27:40,100 --> 02:27:43,000
one family than another.
My mind is Brigham's.

2379
02:27:43,000 --> 02:27:45,000
Mind my mind is the same as
heber's.

2380
02:27:46,800 --> 02:27:53,600
So the the, the 12 held the keys
in common.

2381
02:27:54,800 --> 02:27:58,200
And there were actually, there's
plenty of references to there.

2382
02:27:58,200 --> 02:28:01,300
Are those among the twelve and
others who were not in the 12?

2383
02:28:01,300 --> 02:28:05,200
I mean, he refers to several 70s
in this like, Israel, Barlow and

2384
02:28:05,200 --> 02:28:10,300
various other folks who were had
received the second anointing,

2385
02:28:10,600 --> 02:28:14,200
but we're not part of the Quorum
of twelve and yet they held all

2386
02:28:14,200 --> 02:28:17,900
these keys in common.
And again this is I guess kind

2387
02:28:17,900 --> 02:28:21,900
of harken back to the section.
132 verse seven point that I was

2388
02:28:21,900 --> 02:28:24,000
making about, it's not that only
one.

2389
02:28:24,100 --> 02:28:27,700
One, man can hold these Keys.
It's the only one at a time can

2390
02:28:27,700 --> 02:28:34,200
have them conferred upon him and
now you have to be United

2391
02:28:34,900 --> 02:28:37,800
because back to your point about
the importance of order, this

2392
02:28:37,800 --> 02:28:40,400
doesn't make, this doesn't mean
every man for himself and it's a

2393
02:28:40,400 --> 02:28:44,100
free-for-all and Anarchy, and
chaos, and God upholds.

2394
02:28:44,100 --> 02:28:50,700
It know, this really is the
thing is about the succession

2395
02:28:50,800 --> 02:28:55,100
after Joseph smarter down the
fact that the 12 The other, you

2396
02:28:55,100 --> 02:28:59,700
know, leaders of the Saints,
they were so United because they

2397
02:28:59,700 --> 02:29:04,000
were all United individually and
personally with heaven, and

2398
02:29:04,000 --> 02:29:07,400
that's who they were all tapping
into the same source and they

2399
02:29:07,400 --> 02:29:11,300
retained, their very Divergent
opinions, and personal beliefs

2400
02:29:11,300 --> 02:29:14,200
and feelings and, you know,
Brigham and John Taylor didn't

2401
02:29:14,200 --> 02:29:17,000
get along at all.
Like they butt heads a lot,

2402
02:29:17,300 --> 02:29:19,000
Brigham.
And Orson Pratt butt heads.

2403
02:29:19,000 --> 02:29:23,100
A lot and even parley.
Like and yet they were

2404
02:29:23,100 --> 02:29:28,100
incredibly Unified they couldn't
have pulled off the Exodus to

2405
02:29:28,100 --> 02:29:31,900
the Salt Lake City Valley if
they were any less unified than

2406
02:29:31,900 --> 02:29:35,000
they were.
And so that's a testament to me

2407
02:29:35,300 --> 02:29:38,500
that they were all tapped into
one source.

2408
02:29:38,500 --> 02:29:46,300
Ultimately Yeah and yeah and I
think that's ultimately where we

2409
02:29:46,300 --> 02:29:50,000
need to be whether somebody
espouses one-man ISM or not

2410
02:29:50,000 --> 02:29:52,900
right?
It's getting getting to that

2411
02:29:52,900 --> 02:30:00,600
space where you can Were you can
tap into the source, right?

2412
02:30:02,300 --> 02:30:06,600
So a cup, I'm almost done with
these quotes, take a little bit

2413
02:30:06,600 --> 02:30:11,400
longer than I had expected.
But 1880, there is a publication

2414
02:30:11,400 --> 02:30:16,200
from that was in circulation at
the time in 1880 called the

2415
02:30:16,200 --> 02:30:20,100
juvenile instructor.
Volume, 15 page 110.

2416
02:30:20,100 --> 02:30:23,600
It says these additional Powers
conferred in the second

2417
02:30:23,600 --> 02:30:26,400
anointing.
Include all of the keys that

2418
02:30:26,400 --> 02:30:29,500
belong to the holy priesthood on
the earth, or wherever revealed

2419
02:30:29,500 --> 02:30:33,500
to man in any dispensation and
which admit men and women within

2420
02:30:33,500 --> 02:30:37,400
the veil, they enable them to
pass by the angels and the gods

2421
02:30:37,500 --> 02:30:41,000
until they get into the presence
of the father, and the son, they

2422
02:30:41,000 --> 02:30:44,800
make of them Kings and Priests
queens, and priestesses to God

2423
02:30:44,900 --> 02:30:47,500
to rule and reign as such over
their posterity and those who

2424
02:30:47,500 --> 02:30:49,700
may be given to them by the law
of adoption.

2425
02:30:55,100 --> 02:31:01,400
Let's see. 1885 John Taylor
says, what would be necessary to

2426
02:31:01,400 --> 02:31:03,100
bring about the results,
nearest, to the hearts of the

2427
02:31:03,108 --> 02:31:07,400
opponents of Mormonism simply to
renounce abrogate or apostatize

2428
02:31:07,400 --> 02:31:09,400
from the new and Everlasting
Covenant of marriage in its

2429
02:31:09,400 --> 02:31:13,300
fullness were the church to do
that as an entirety, God would

2430
02:31:13,300 --> 02:31:16,200
reject the same size of body.
The authority of the priesthood

2431
02:31:16,200 --> 02:31:18,900
would be withdrawn with its
gifts and powers and there would

2432
02:31:18,900 --> 02:31:20,400
be no more.
Heavenly recognition of the

2433
02:31:20,400 --> 02:31:22,700
administration's.
The heavens would permanently

2434
02:31:22,700 --> 02:31:24,700
withdraw themselves in the Lord
would raise up.

2435
02:31:24,700 --> 02:31:27,600
Another people of Greater Valor
and stability for his.

2436
02:31:27,700 --> 02:31:29,600
Work must according to his
unalterable.

2437
02:31:29,600 --> 02:31:33,100
Decrees go forward for the time
of the second coming of the

2438
02:31:33,100 --> 02:31:34,900
savior is near even at the
doors.

2439
02:31:36,800 --> 02:31:39,600
If you were of the world, the
world would love his own but

2440
02:31:39,600 --> 02:31:42,300
because you're not of the world
I have chosen you out of the

2441
02:31:42,308 --> 02:31:45,700
world, therefore the world
hateth you John 15 18 and 19

2442
02:31:46,600 --> 02:31:49,800
know ye not that, the Friendship
of the world is enmity with God

2443
02:31:50,200 --> 02:31:51,800
whosoever.
Therefore will be a friend of

2444
02:31:51,800 --> 02:32:02,200
the world is the enemy of God.
James 4:4 This is a it's a quote

2445
02:32:02,200 --> 02:32:05,400
from an excerpt from teachings
of Prophet Joseph, but this is a

2446
02:32:05,400 --> 02:32:09,200
little bit, you know, the like
five sentences prior comes from

2447
02:32:09,200 --> 02:32:13,200
Ogden crowd, has a big called
calling, can we go back and just

2448
02:32:13,200 --> 02:32:16,200
kind of explore that last
statement there a little bit

2449
02:32:16,500 --> 02:32:21,100
that you read Because this is
about to make some people very

2450
02:32:21,100 --> 02:32:25,800
uncomfortable but I think it's
worth pointing out a Sanders.

2451
02:32:26,400 --> 02:32:28,300
It's not Taylor Smith speaking.
Yeah.

2452
02:32:28,400 --> 02:32:31,400
Yeah, you don't have to argue
with me, you have to argue with

2453
02:32:31,400 --> 02:32:34,600
Who quote, who was that quoted
by again, that was Don, killer

2454
02:32:35,000 --> 02:32:37,600
Kane, 85.
You have to argue with John

2455
02:32:37,600 --> 02:32:43,200
Taylor.
And correct me if I'm wrong, if

2456
02:32:43,200 --> 02:32:48,700
I misheard.
But he said If essentially, if

2457
02:32:48,700 --> 02:32:52,500
the new and Everlasting Covenant
of marriage, which I'm sorry,

2458
02:32:52,500 --> 02:32:58,400
there's no other way to parse
that out in their setting,

2459
02:32:58,400 --> 02:33:01,000
right?
Because settings, important and

2460
02:33:01,000 --> 02:33:02,200
time is important.
Yeah.

2461
02:33:02,200 --> 02:33:09,300
Right context is important here.
When those Brethren spoke of the

2462
02:33:09,300 --> 02:33:11,300
new and Everlasting Covenant of
marriage.

2463
02:33:13,100 --> 02:33:16,100
They were speaking about
Celestial plural marriage,

2464
02:33:16,100 --> 02:33:18,100
correct?
T'.

2465
02:33:18,200 --> 02:33:20,400
Okay.
And what did he say?

2466
02:33:20,400 --> 02:33:24,500
The ramifications would be too
if they were to get rid of it?

2467
02:33:26,300 --> 02:33:32,400
Were the church to renounce
abrogate or apostatize as an

2468
02:33:32,400 --> 02:33:35,400
entirety.
God would reject the Saints as a

2469
02:33:35,400 --> 02:33:39,600
body, the authority of the
priesthood would be withdrawn

2470
02:33:39,600 --> 02:33:42,100
with its gifts and powers and
there would be no more.

2471
02:33:42,100 --> 02:33:44,300
Heavenly recognition of the
administration's.

2472
02:33:45,000 --> 02:33:47,600
The heavens would permanently
withdraw themselves in the Lord

2473
02:33:47,600 --> 02:33:49,400
would raise up.
Another people of Greater Valor

2474
02:33:49,400 --> 02:33:55,500
and stability.
I find that there are so much

2475
02:33:55,500 --> 02:34:02,200
there to unpack. so whether we
like it or not, When the church

2476
02:34:03,300 --> 02:34:06,100
disavows out, Celestial plural,
marriage.

2477
02:34:06,500 --> 02:34:08,600
They took that step, they cross
the line.

2478
02:34:08,700 --> 02:34:10,600
If I'm understanding, Taylor
correctly.

2479
02:34:11,400 --> 02:34:16,500
Well, I would actually soften it
slightly because it says, where

2480
02:34:16,500 --> 02:34:20,500
the church to renounce abrogate
or apostatize as an entirety,

2481
02:34:21,600 --> 02:34:25,700
you know, fundamentalist used to
be members of the church, right?

2482
02:34:25,700 --> 02:34:28,400
It wasn't really till the 30s
40s 50s.

2483
02:34:28,400 --> 02:34:31,600
I mean, there was these purges
and Like that.

2484
02:34:31,600 --> 02:34:35,300
And even as recently as my
lifetime, there were a lot of

2485
02:34:35,300 --> 02:34:38,600
old heads in the church who
still believed in plural,

2486
02:34:38,600 --> 02:34:43,200
Celestial plural, marriage.
They just said it, God has taken

2487
02:34:43,200 --> 02:34:45,100
it away, but he'll bring it back
again.

2488
02:34:45,900 --> 02:34:50,300
And, you know, that sentiment.
I remember hearing like that was

2489
02:34:50,300 --> 02:34:54,100
kind of common when I was a kid.
It's really only been within the

2490
02:34:54,100 --> 02:34:57,000
last few years.
That I think we're really

2491
02:34:57,000 --> 02:35:01,500
getting close to the church in.
Its entirety as an Entirety

2492
02:35:02,200 --> 02:35:06,600
completely renouncing abrogating
and apostatize incur from that

2493
02:35:06,600 --> 02:35:10,000
Covenant.
And you know, changing the

2494
02:35:10,000 --> 02:35:17,300
covenants of marriage in 2019.
It's hard to say whether that

2495
02:35:17,300 --> 02:35:24,200
that's the nail in the coffin or
if that's the final Doom the the

2496
02:35:24,200 --> 02:35:28,600
final bike because what precedes
did it does the change proceed

2497
02:35:28,600 --> 02:35:32,800
or does the peep the condition
of the complete entirety Church?

2498
02:35:32,800 --> 02:35:35,300
The hearts of the people, what
comes first?

2499
02:35:35,900 --> 02:35:37,900
I think that.
Either way you look at it,

2500
02:35:37,900 --> 02:35:43,700
either it happened in 2019 in
its entirety or It's going to be

2501
02:35:43,700 --> 02:35:47,000
within the next Generation
Complete because these older

2502
02:35:47,000 --> 02:35:50,500
people are dying off.
People have been gaslighted so

2503
02:35:50,500 --> 02:35:56,600
bad in the last few years that
this old notion that was, it was

2504
02:35:56,600 --> 02:36:02,400
in within my living memory of a
being a kid that is going the

2505
02:36:02,400 --> 02:36:03,700
way side.
That's going the way of the

2506
02:36:03,700 --> 02:36:07,800
dodo.
Like, it's almost extinct, but I

2507
02:36:07,808 --> 02:36:13,000
mean, technically, I'm still a
member of the church, so, you

2508
02:36:13,000 --> 02:36:17,300
know, as an institution, maybe,
I don't know.

2509
02:36:17,800 --> 02:36:21,000
I could potentially see that
being a little bit softer than

2510
02:36:21,000 --> 02:36:25,100
what your kind of referring to,
which was hard lying 1890.

2511
02:36:25,100 --> 02:36:29,800
It happened and I will say, and
again, I'm a very black and

2512
02:36:29,800 --> 02:36:31,800
white kind of guy.
I don't like that in the gray

2513
02:36:31,800 --> 02:36:34,100
area, so take that for what it
is.

2514
02:36:34,100 --> 02:36:37,300
That's that's the gospel a day.
But well, I will say this.

2515
02:36:37,600 --> 02:36:44,300
I will say this, I even as
diluted and kind of dumbed down

2516
02:36:44,300 --> 02:36:50,100
and you know, corrupted as its
head, as it was I I can testify

2517
02:36:50,100 --> 02:36:54,900
that even in that state, I still
had experienced power within the

2518
02:36:54,900 --> 02:36:58,900
priesthood, you know, as a
missionary after my mission,

2519
02:36:58,900 --> 02:37:01,400
I've given blessings.
And this is what when I was

2520
02:37:01,400 --> 02:37:05,400
still very much within the
framework of the LDS church and

2521
02:37:05,400 --> 02:37:09,600
its claims and I can Testify
that I personally experienced

2522
02:37:09,600 --> 02:37:12,000
power in my priesthood and so
that's why I'm a little softer

2523
02:37:12,000 --> 02:37:17,000
and I think Dave, you, your
experiences are a testament that

2524
02:37:17,000 --> 02:37:20,700
even that when you were in full
fellowship and support of the

2525
02:37:20,700 --> 02:37:23,600
church and its claims, you are
experiencing power within your

2526
02:37:23,600 --> 02:37:25,100
priesthood.
So that's why I'm a little

2527
02:37:25,108 --> 02:37:28,300
hesitant to say, the heart Red
Line happened in 1890,

2528
02:37:28,300 --> 02:37:32,700
Manifesto, or even in the 1904
Manifesto or even in the

2529
02:37:32,700 --> 02:37:36,600
nineteen or, or even in the 40s
when they raided the polygamists

2530
02:37:36,600 --> 02:37:45,200
and colluded with FBI like I I'm
actually open to the my

2531
02:37:45,200 --> 02:37:49,500
experience which is that it
hasn't completely happened yet.

2532
02:37:50,000 --> 02:37:55,800
So but it happened in 2019 if
not if not, it's going to happen

2533
02:37:55,800 --> 02:37:59,100
within a generation because when
you change those covenants it's

2534
02:37:59,100 --> 02:38:02,000
going to just delete everything
else in the gender, the older

2535
02:38:02,000 --> 02:38:05,100
generations going to die off or
forget within a generation.

2536
02:38:05,700 --> 02:38:08,700
So I've had to parse that out
because Cuz there's there's no

2537
02:38:08,700 --> 02:38:12,200
doubt in my mind that I was
inspired when I was still in the

2538
02:38:12,200 --> 02:38:15,200
LDS church.
I mean, I live plural marriage

2539
02:38:15,200 --> 02:38:20,600
when I was in in the LDS church.
However, I don't think that's

2540
02:38:20,600 --> 02:38:25,100
because of the church.
I think that's an individual

2541
02:38:25,100 --> 02:38:29,300
thing, right?
So, interpret recognizing that

2542
02:38:29,300 --> 02:38:36,500
there's a difference between the
power and the authority of the

2543
02:38:36,500 --> 02:38:41,900
priesthood.
So, but but I, yeah, and here's

2544
02:38:41,900 --> 02:38:45,000
the thing, right?
We also have to look at, you

2545
02:38:45,000 --> 02:38:48,600
know, some maybe some more
context are it again idea there

2546
02:38:49,000 --> 02:38:53,400
which is, was the Lord speaking
was John Taylor speaking.

2547
02:38:55,100 --> 02:38:59,600
About the the organization or
the people there in, I could get

2548
02:38:59,600 --> 02:39:01,800
behind the idea that it was the
organization.

2549
02:39:03,900 --> 02:39:07,600
He talks about in its entirety
that to me.

2550
02:39:09,200 --> 02:39:13,500
So I think that we're the church
to do that as an entirety goes

2551
02:39:13,500 --> 02:39:15,800
beyond.
Just institutional decisions,

2552
02:39:15,800 --> 02:39:19,000
top-down decisions.
I think that's when even the

2553
02:39:19,000 --> 02:39:24,800
membership completely forsakes
those principles, that's that's

2554
02:39:24,900 --> 02:39:27,800
And now in as much as the
individuals have already

2555
02:39:27,800 --> 02:39:32,000
forsaken it, I think that this
prophecy is already in full

2556
02:39:32,000 --> 02:39:34,400
force.
There's you know, God is not

2557
02:39:34,500 --> 02:39:37,400
accepting the powers of Heaven.
Are you know, are not

2558
02:39:37,400 --> 02:39:39,600
recognizing the
administration's, they're

2559
02:39:39,600 --> 02:39:42,900
withdrawing themselves, the
Lord's raising up.

2560
02:39:43,000 --> 02:39:45,700
Another people have greater
Valor and stability and that's

2561
02:39:45,700 --> 02:39:48,600
not easy to hear.
That's an unpleasant reality,

2562
02:39:48,600 --> 02:39:52,300
but it's hard to deny if you
have eyes to see what's really

2563
02:39:52,300 --> 02:39:55,400
going on in the church today.
That was that That was the other

2564
02:39:55,400 --> 02:39:58,400
part of that that that caught me
the part about the Lord, raising

2565
02:39:58,400 --> 02:40:02,400
up a different people with the
was more Valiant and more

2566
02:40:02,400 --> 02:40:06,600
stable.
And honestly this ties back into

2567
02:40:06,600 --> 02:40:09,900
part one beautifully and that's
kind of why I wanted to go

2568
02:40:09,900 --> 02:40:12,600
through this whole exercise,
we've just laid a very strong

2569
02:40:12,600 --> 02:40:18,400
Foundation a solid foundation of
what Joseph Brigham John Taylor

2570
02:40:18,600 --> 02:40:21,400
parley, Pratt Orson High.
Various of these other folks in

2571
02:40:21,400 --> 02:40:25,200
the early days of the
restoration clearly taught and

2572
02:40:25,200 --> 02:40:28,300
testified to.
Now let's bring it back to the

2573
02:40:28,300 --> 02:40:33,400
Book of Mormon And it talks
about how the Gentiles would

2574
02:40:33,400 --> 02:40:35,400
receive the fullness of the
Gospel.

2575
02:40:37,200 --> 02:40:40,900
And it would be, as a light
shining upon those that sit in

2576
02:40:40,900 --> 02:40:46,600
darkness and they would not
individually.

2577
02:40:46,600 --> 02:40:51,000
But collectively reject, the
fullness of the gospel and there

2578
02:40:51,000 --> 02:40:53,400
would come where God would
remove the fullness of the

2579
02:40:53,408 --> 02:40:58,800
Gospel from among the Gentiles.
And at that day, he would begin

2580
02:40:58,900 --> 02:41:02,700
the commencement of fulfilling
the covenants that he made with

2581
02:41:03,000 --> 02:41:06,500
the Native Americans.
The descendants of Lehi, the S

2582
02:41:06,500 --> 02:41:09,300
of Israel, specifically, the
Joseph fight branch, that was

2583
02:41:09,300 --> 02:41:16,000
brought to the Americas pre
Columbus, and that to me ties in

2584
02:41:16,000 --> 02:41:19,300
with the second anointing,
because it talks about how the

2585
02:41:19,300 --> 02:41:21,600
kings and queens of the
Gentiles.

2586
02:41:21,800 --> 02:41:26,400
She will be the nursing fathers
and nursing mothers to fulfill

2587
02:41:26,400 --> 02:41:29,000
these covenants.
They will kneel down at the feet

2588
02:41:29,100 --> 02:41:34,000
of these Native Americans, and
it says, look up the dust, I

2589
02:41:34,000 --> 02:41:37,800
think that's kind of a euphemism
for, it's A sign of complete,

2590
02:41:37,800 --> 02:41:41,600
humility and service that we're
not putting ourselves above

2591
02:41:41,600 --> 02:41:43,600
them.
We're not doing this in any sign

2592
02:41:43,600 --> 02:41:45,400
of arrogance.
We are kneeling down at their

2593
02:41:45,400 --> 02:41:51,100
feet and, you know, the second
anointing includes washing the

2594
02:41:51,100 --> 02:41:52,800
feet and anointing the feet with
oil.

2595
02:41:53,200 --> 02:41:57,100
And so to be that's what is very
clearly, being described by

2596
02:41:57,100 --> 02:42:00,100
Isaiah and then in the Nephi
quotes of Isaiah X, those

2597
02:42:00,100 --> 02:42:06,300
quotations.
So to me What is our role as

2598
02:42:06,300 --> 02:42:10,100
white European descent Gentiles
in the last days?

2599
02:42:10,300 --> 02:42:12,100
Where are we at?
What time is it?

2600
02:42:12,800 --> 02:42:19,700
We are either at or just barely
cross the mile marker where the

2601
02:42:19,700 --> 02:42:26,100
Lord has withdrawn from the
institution of the church, and

2602
02:42:26,200 --> 02:42:29,500
we are the servants.
There's just a few of them.

2603
02:42:29,500 --> 02:42:33,900
I mean, the the, in Jacob
chapter 5 Christ is Is the, you

2604
02:42:33,900 --> 02:42:37,100
know, the, the lord of the
vineyard, and he's Gathering the

2605
02:42:37,108 --> 02:42:39,300
servants.
And, and the one servant

2606
02:42:39,700 --> 02:42:41,400
actually, I think it's the
father is the Lord of The

2607
02:42:41,408 --> 02:42:43,700
Vineyard.
Christ is the main servant who's

2608
02:42:43,700 --> 02:42:46,400
talking with him and then he
gathers other servants in their

2609
02:42:46,400 --> 02:42:49,000
numbers were few.
That's where I think we're at

2610
02:42:49,000 --> 02:42:54,500
and I think that this is the
time for men and women.

2611
02:42:54,500 --> 02:42:57,300
So here's what here's one of the
quick detail since there's so

2612
02:42:57,300 --> 02:42:59,700
little known these days about
the second anointing.

2613
02:43:00,200 --> 02:43:09,200
The second anointing is also,
very simple symbolic and Unique,

2614
02:43:09,800 --> 02:43:14,100
most ordinances are individual.
You can get baptized when you're

2615
02:43:14,100 --> 02:43:16,200
single.
You can, you know, get

2616
02:43:16,200 --> 02:43:18,000
confirmation and take the
sacrament.

2617
02:43:18,000 --> 02:43:21,800
You can receive the your
initiatory as your endowment

2618
02:43:21,800 --> 02:43:25,600
and, you know, you can't get
sealed but, you know, in the

2619
02:43:25,600 --> 02:43:27,100
marriage.
Holy orders matrimony.

2620
02:43:27,300 --> 02:43:32,800
But but the second anointing, a
man has to be married.

2621
02:43:33,900 --> 02:43:37,500
And when his wife, he when a man
and his wife received, this

2622
02:43:37,500 --> 02:43:41,200
anointing, they receive them as
one as one.

2623
02:43:41,200 --> 02:43:46,900
In other words, the wife and the
husband are one entity.

2624
02:43:46,900 --> 02:43:50,200
You could say, you know, because
there it's a union of marriage.

2625
02:43:50,200 --> 02:43:54,100
And so like that, this is really
a key thing.

2626
02:43:54,100 --> 02:43:57,700
A single man or a single woman,
cannot receive the second

2627
02:43:57,700 --> 02:44:01,100
anointing.
And you you need to receive it

2628
02:44:01,100 --> 02:44:05,700
as a couple and they have to be
The on the same page, you know,

2629
02:44:05,700 --> 02:44:09,600
you can't have a woman with a
crappy marriage.

2630
02:44:09,900 --> 02:44:13,500
That's not going to work.
It has to be a solid Union.

2631
02:44:14,700 --> 02:44:18,900
And so, but I believe that the
time has come for those who hear

2632
02:44:18,900 --> 02:44:23,500
the call to, to obtain that
priesthood.

2633
02:44:23,600 --> 02:44:25,900
I mean, it's going back to
section. 84 whoso is faithful

2634
02:44:25,900 --> 02:44:30,400
in, to the obtaining of these
priesthoods, this requires

2635
02:44:30,600 --> 02:44:33,800
effort, it requires sacrifice,
he requires faith, it requires

2636
02:44:33,900 --> 02:44:38,700
As a worthy administrator it
requires a humility and it

2637
02:44:38,700 --> 02:44:45,500
requires a consecration.
That goes far beyond the, you

2638
02:44:45,500 --> 02:44:48,300
know, waiting for an
Institutional program to come

2639
02:44:48,300 --> 02:44:51,700
around or waiting for somebody
to start a United order or to

2640
02:44:51,700 --> 02:44:54,800
you know start a community
that's going to live these.

2641
02:44:55,400 --> 02:44:59,200
These need to be lived
individually within our homes

2642
02:44:59,800 --> 02:45:03,800
and the whole point of obtaining
to that position.

2643
02:45:03,900 --> 02:45:07,200
She is so that we're prepared.
Let's close by going back to S

2644
02:45:07,500 --> 02:45:11,100
first Nephi chapter 14 real
quick because I didn't say one

2645
02:45:11,100 --> 02:45:14,900
thing before we close here.
Yeah, yeah, how.

2646
02:45:14,900 --> 02:45:20,600
So I'm gonna ask this when I
believe it was 3rd Nephi chapter

2647
02:45:20,600 --> 02:45:24,900
16 verses 10 through 20 there.
You were referencing about the,

2648
02:45:24,900 --> 02:45:27,400
the covenants being returned
back to the house of Israel.

2649
02:45:28,200 --> 02:45:30,700
Yeah.
Is he from not of the House of

2650
02:45:30,700 --> 02:45:33,000
Israel?
Ephraim is of the House of

2651
02:45:33,000 --> 02:45:36,200
Israel.
Okay, so I will.

2652
02:45:37,700 --> 02:45:42,200
I look at that then because,
because Joseph makes a statement

2653
02:45:42,200 --> 02:45:46,800
several several several several
times that most of the people

2654
02:45:46,800 --> 02:45:55,100
who joined the church or
received, The the gospel, the

2655
02:45:55,100 --> 02:45:58,100
restored gospel were worried for
mites.

2656
02:45:58,700 --> 02:46:06,600
Yeah, and so I tend to wonder a
little bit, if, if those who

2657
02:46:06,600 --> 02:46:09,900
don't hear that call the
strongest in that time.

2658
02:46:09,900 --> 02:46:15,100
When Christ was speaking in 3rd
Nephi 16 aren't those who are

2659
02:46:15,100 --> 02:46:19,400
maybe more in tune with who they
are.

2660
02:46:19,400 --> 02:46:26,200
Does that make sense?
And so sure I tend it's hard for

2661
02:46:26,200 --> 02:46:30,600
me to look at that and and make
it exclusively about the Native

2662
02:46:30,600 --> 02:46:34,600
Americans, right?
I think now. let me say this, I

2663
02:46:34,600 --> 02:46:42,900
think we do as as he from have a
responsibility To let me sit

2664
02:46:42,900 --> 02:46:46,000
there.
Yeah, let me, let me put it this

2665
02:46:46,000 --> 02:46:48,200
way.
I think we might have mentioned

2666
02:46:48,200 --> 02:46:49,500
it.
I don't have my to knock the

2667
02:46:49,500 --> 02:46:52,200
right handy.
It's it's in storage.

2668
02:46:52,200 --> 02:46:55,900
Sadly, no.
But I have a Hebrew Bible with

2669
02:46:55,900 --> 02:46:58,800
the Hebrew and the English like
side-by-side.

2670
02:47:00,200 --> 02:47:05,500
And in Genesis chapter 48, it
refers to ephraim's patriarchal

2671
02:47:05,500 --> 02:47:08,600
blessing from Israel.
His grandpa being that he would

2672
02:47:08,600 --> 02:47:12,700
become the father of many Any
goyim or Gentiles.

2673
02:47:12,900 --> 02:47:17,000
So when it says, the kings of
the Gentiles in the Book of

2674
02:47:17,000 --> 02:47:19,800
Mormon and Isaiah, prophesies
will be the nursing fathers and

2675
02:47:19,800 --> 02:47:21,600
the queens of the Gentiles will
be the nursing mothers.

2676
02:47:21,600 --> 02:47:25,000
What I would propose is we
should flip that and say the

2677
02:47:25,000 --> 02:47:30,200
kings of the ephraimites and the
queens of the ephraimites will

2678
02:47:30,200 --> 02:47:32,300
be the nursing fathers and
mothers.

2679
02:47:33,300 --> 02:47:36,000
To the Native Americans, the
seat of Lehigh.

2680
02:47:36,700 --> 02:47:39,800
And when you put it in that
frame, I don't think there's any

2681
02:47:39,800 --> 02:47:42,700
disagreement.
Now, obviously ephraimites are

2682
02:47:42,700 --> 02:47:46,300
also part of the House of Israel
but one another just a little

2683
02:47:46,300 --> 02:47:52,700
tidbit in the Book of Revelation
when it lifts off the 12 tribes

2684
02:47:53,400 --> 02:47:57,300
being sealed up in, you know,
the 144,000 12,000.

2685
02:47:57,300 --> 02:48:00,500
If each try when it lifts off
those those Twelve Tribes,

2686
02:48:01,300 --> 02:48:05,900
what's interesting?
Is what's missing it names off?

2687
02:48:05,900 --> 02:48:14,000
All of these tribes naphtali
Gad, Reuben, Judah manasa.

2688
02:48:16,000 --> 02:48:23,000
Guess what's missing you from
you, from It lists Joseph, and

2689
02:48:23,000 --> 02:48:25,800
the way I, you know, and I'm not
seeing this definitively

2690
02:48:25,800 --> 02:48:28,700
authoritatively at all.
But the way that that to me

2691
02:48:29,200 --> 02:48:31,300
this, when I read that and
notice that the first time the

2692
02:48:31,300 --> 02:48:34,100
spirit was like, whoa, that's
important and I had not

2693
02:48:34,100 --> 02:48:37,000
expected.
That was like a it just hit me

2694
02:48:37,000 --> 02:48:43,600
hard and I was like, holy crap.
So wait, Ephraim is not a tribe

2695
02:48:43,600 --> 02:48:45,900
that retains its identity.
It's actually I think

2696
02:48:45,900 --> 02:48:49,400
ephraimites who attain to that
level of you know, calling

2697
02:48:49,400 --> 02:48:51,900
election It'd sure whatever you
want to call it, that sealing of

2698
02:48:51,900 --> 02:48:58,000
the 144,000 they do.
So under the name of Joseph,

2699
02:48:58,900 --> 02:49:01,600
okay?
And because I think that the

2700
02:49:01,600 --> 02:49:05,900
Book of Mormon prophecies about
the seed of Lehigh tearing and

2701
02:49:05,900 --> 02:49:08,700
rending and none shall deliver
the Gentiles, like most of the

2702
02:49:08,700 --> 02:49:12,000
European Gentiles that came to
the United States are of Ephraim

2703
02:49:12,700 --> 02:49:17,800
and they are not going to this
doesn't go well for those Pope.

2704
02:49:17,800 --> 02:49:22,200
Folks of that ancestry.
And again, it's absurd like to

2705
02:49:22,200 --> 02:49:25,400
even say these things in our
modern context, because it's

2706
02:49:25,400 --> 02:49:29,600
like this is impossible, the
Native Americans there, they're

2707
02:49:29,600 --> 02:49:32,900
not coming up anytime soon and
threatening the American

2708
02:49:32,900 --> 02:49:36,800
Military or the power structures
in the technology that the, you

2709
02:49:36,800 --> 02:49:40,400
know, the white European
American citizenry has built up

2710
02:49:40,400 --> 02:49:43,300
in this land.
And yet, that is what is

2711
02:49:43,300 --> 02:49:46,600
described in.
Isaiah 3rd Nephi, The Words of

2712
02:49:46,600 --> 02:49:51,200
Christ delivered by commandment
from his father, like, These are

2713
02:49:51,800 --> 02:49:54,300
prophecies that are either true
or false.

2714
02:49:55,000 --> 02:49:58,100
I tend to believe that they're
true and I don't understand how

2715
02:49:58,100 --> 02:50:01,100
God is going to fulfill them.
Like sometimes it's tempting to

2716
02:50:01,100 --> 02:50:04,700
be like to lose heart to lose
Faith, because it seems so

2717
02:50:04,700 --> 02:50:09,100
overwhelmingly against the odds.
But the spirit Whispers to me,

2718
02:50:10,300 --> 02:50:13,900
Wait.
See what's got, is it, you know,

2719
02:50:14,000 --> 02:50:15,900
like, I think you've said it a
couple of times.

2720
02:50:16,200 --> 02:50:18,200
God loves a surprise ending.
Yeah.

2721
02:50:18,900 --> 02:50:21,800
Never.
We can never underestimate his

2722
02:50:21,800 --> 02:50:24,400
hand and his power purposes is
plan.

2723
02:50:24,900 --> 02:50:28,200
Absolutely.
Alright sorry, I'm done taking

2724
02:50:28,200 --> 02:50:31,000
us off into the weeds, your good
questions.

2725
02:50:31,500 --> 02:50:36,800
Let's, let's I'm going to just
read going back to first Nephi

2726
02:50:36,800 --> 02:50:39,300
chapter 14.
It's kind of where we started in

2727
02:50:39,300 --> 02:50:40,900
part one.
That's where I think we should

2728
02:50:40,900 --> 02:50:44,800
end tonight, okay.
It came to pass that I beheld,

2729
02:50:44,800 --> 02:50:47,900
the Church of the Lamb of God.
And it's numbers were few

2730
02:50:48,100 --> 02:50:51,100
because of the wickedness and
Abominations of the whore who

2731
02:50:51,100 --> 02:50:55,500
sat upon many Waters, Numbers
were few being the kind of like

2732
02:50:55,500 --> 02:50:58,000
he term there.
Nevertheless, I be held at the

2733
02:50:58,000 --> 02:51:00,200
church of the Lamb who were the
saints of God.

2734
02:51:00,700 --> 02:51:02,800
We're also upon all the face of
the Earth.

2735
02:51:03,400 --> 02:51:04,600
In other words, they're
scattered.

2736
02:51:05,800 --> 02:51:08,300
Their dominions upon the face of
the Earth were small.

2737
02:51:10,300 --> 02:51:13,800
We're not wealthy, we don't have
any strongholds, we're just

2738
02:51:13,800 --> 02:51:19,100
scattered and and you know,
encircled about by the dominions

2739
02:51:19,100 --> 02:51:22,100
of the whore, because of the
great wickedness of the horror

2740
02:51:22,100 --> 02:51:23,900
for my saw.
And it came to pass that I

2741
02:51:23,908 --> 02:51:26,500
beheld, that the great mother of
Abominations did gather together

2742
02:51:26,500 --> 02:51:29,000
multitudes upon the face of all
the Earth among all the nations

2743
02:51:29,000 --> 02:51:32,100
of the Gentiles to fight against
the Lamb of God.

2744
02:51:32,400 --> 02:51:36,200
And it came to pass that I Nephi
beheld, the power of the Lamb of

2745
02:51:36,200 --> 02:51:39,600
God that it descended upon the
Saints of the church.

2746
02:51:39,900 --> 02:51:42,700
The lamb and upon the Covenant
people of the Lord.

2747
02:51:43,100 --> 02:51:47,000
That's interesting that there's
a he refers to them almost as

2748
02:51:47,000 --> 02:51:49,900
two separate groups.
There's the Church of the lamb

2749
02:51:50,600 --> 02:51:52,200
and there's the Covenant people
of the Lord.

2750
02:51:53,200 --> 02:51:55,700
And I would interpret that the
Church of the Lamb primarily

2751
02:51:55,700 --> 02:52:02,100
being, you know, the white
Gentile or ancestry folks.

2752
02:52:02,100 --> 02:52:05,100
The Covenant people of the Lord
is a scriptural, phrase, very

2753
02:52:05,100 --> 02:52:07,900
closely tied to the seat of
Lehigh at least in the context

2754
02:52:07,900 --> 02:52:12,400
of the Book of Mormon Right.
Who were scattered upon all the

2755
02:52:12,400 --> 02:52:15,400
face of the Earth and they were
armed with righteousness, and

2756
02:52:15,400 --> 02:52:17,100
with the power of God and great
glory.

2757
02:52:18,700 --> 02:52:21,300
And when the day come with that,
the wrath of God is poured out

2758
02:52:21,300 --> 02:52:23,300
upon the mother of harlots,
which is the great and

2759
02:52:23,300 --> 02:52:25,500
abominable Church of all the
Earth, whose founder is the

2760
02:52:25,500 --> 02:52:29,100
devil.
Then at that day, the work of

2761
02:52:29,100 --> 02:52:31,900
the father shall commence in
preparing the way for the

2762
02:52:31,900 --> 02:52:34,600
fulfilling of his covenants,
which he hath made to his people

2763
02:52:34,600 --> 02:52:39,900
who are of the House of Israel.
First Nephi 14, kind of skipped

2764
02:52:39,900 --> 02:52:41,600
a little bit, but sure.
Well, through seven.

2765
02:52:44,000 --> 02:52:48,200
And so like it might sometimes
feel difficult to keep Faith to,

2766
02:52:48,500 --> 02:52:53,500
you know, to believe that these
are real like that the plans and

2767
02:52:53,500 --> 02:52:56,400
Prophecies of God are actually
going to happen as described in

2768
02:52:56,400 --> 02:53:01,300
the scriptures and and it can be
discouraging to just, you know,

2769
02:53:01,300 --> 02:53:05,900
consider that evil forces and
powers that are in control of

2770
02:53:05,900 --> 02:53:09,900
basically the whole world.
You know, the like the

2771
02:53:09,900 --> 02:53:12,200
prophecies.
I think it's Paul who talks

2772
02:53:12,200 --> 02:53:14,100
about men's Hearts shall fail
them.

2773
02:53:14,400 --> 02:53:18,100
Like they're very understandable
in the context of like how could

2774
02:53:18,100 --> 02:53:20,100
a few obscure scattered
relatively?

2775
02:53:20,100 --> 02:53:24,900
Poor people hope to have any
chance of like at least

2776
02:53:24,900 --> 02:53:30,200
successfully defying the powers
of the be in the world.

2777
02:53:30,300 --> 02:53:33,700
Like the satanic conspiracy that
it's running the West, the US

2778
02:53:33,700 --> 02:53:38,400
the European Union Canada.
I mean the West Or the Communist

2779
02:53:38,400 --> 02:53:43,000
regimes of China, Russia,
they're all seeking to overthrow

2780
02:53:43,000 --> 02:53:46,800
the freedom and the prosperity
of all lands, all people and

2781
02:53:46,800 --> 02:53:51,800
subjugate us all to tyranny and
so like, yes it's

2782
02:53:51,800 --> 02:53:53,900
understandable.
That men's hearts are going to

2783
02:53:53,900 --> 02:53:57,800
fill them in these contexts.
But I love these verses from

2784
02:53:58,500 --> 02:54:03,200
from first Nephi, chapter 14,
because it basically assures us

2785
02:54:03,500 --> 02:54:06,800
it's actually all happening
according to the plan, you know

2786
02:54:06,800 --> 02:54:11,700
it Not be planted a but it's
something that was foreseen and

2787
02:54:11,700 --> 02:54:15,000
has been planned by the
foreknowledge of God happen, if

2788
02:54:15,000 --> 02:54:19,300
I saw it and prophesied of it.
And so if we repent and humble

2789
02:54:19,300 --> 02:54:23,100
ourselves even if the
institutions fall, even if our

2790
02:54:23,100 --> 02:54:26,600
groups even if our families,
tragically some of them don't

2791
02:54:26,600 --> 02:54:30,400
make it, we have this
opportunity and and we we

2792
02:54:30,400 --> 02:54:33,500
control our destiny.
We are empowered.

2793
02:54:33,500 --> 02:54:36,400
If we repent humble ourselves,
the power of God will descend

2794
02:54:36,400 --> 02:54:40,100
upon us.
And I guess I want to say like,

2795
02:54:40,100 --> 02:54:44,600
in some ways.
Being swept and being killed in.

2796
02:54:44,600 --> 02:54:46,800
Like, if there was a nuclear
Holocaust or whatever, there's

2797
02:54:46,800 --> 02:54:49,300
going to be a death toll, it's
just unimaginable.

2798
02:54:49,500 --> 02:54:52,200
But the people that died are in
some ways, the lucky ones

2799
02:54:52,200 --> 02:54:55,300
because they're spared the far
worse aspects to follow.

2800
02:54:55,800 --> 02:54:58,900
And so like, I don't want to say
this, like, in with a judgment

2801
02:54:59,000 --> 02:55:04,000
value judgement that, you know,
people who are only Wicked will

2802
02:55:04,000 --> 02:55:06,000
get destroyed.
No, I don't think that's that at

2803
02:55:06,000 --> 02:55:08,200
all.
I think that people who choose

2804
02:55:08,200 --> 02:55:11,800
to live in cities that are
probably going to be targets if

2805
02:55:11,800 --> 02:55:15,600
there was Kind of a military
Invasion or you Nuclear Strike

2806
02:55:15,600 --> 02:55:18,100
within the u.s. like, that
doesn't mean that they're all

2807
02:55:18,100 --> 02:55:21,400
Wicked or all evil people.
It just means that there's going

2808
02:55:21,400 --> 02:55:25,600
to be consequences for their
decision and I'm I'm guessing

2809
02:55:25,600 --> 02:55:27,800
that the spirit is going to
whisper and give everybody a

2810
02:55:27,800 --> 02:55:30,800
chance to move.
And some people are going to

2811
02:55:30,808 --> 02:55:32,800
heed.
The call other people are not.

2812
02:55:32,800 --> 02:55:35,100
And if they don't, that's
doesn't mean that they're evil.

2813
02:55:35,100 --> 02:55:38,300
They're just worthless Souls.
They're still children of God.

2814
02:55:38,300 --> 02:55:39,600
They're still our brothers and
sisters.

2815
02:55:39,900 --> 02:55:42,800
I don't anyway.
Judge anybody But there's just

2816
02:55:42,800 --> 02:55:47,400
going to be natural consequences
but in some ways that's a mercy

2817
02:55:47,600 --> 02:55:49,700
because they're going to be
spared from the tribulation

2818
02:55:49,900 --> 02:55:53,400
that's going to fall all over
those of us who, you know, I

2819
02:55:53,400 --> 02:55:56,700
Aspire, I tried, I want to be
close enough to the spirit and I

2820
02:55:56,700 --> 02:56:01,100
feel a calling that if I'm if
I'm diligent, I will be

2821
02:56:01,100 --> 02:56:04,800
preserved.
And I fully expect the aftermath

2822
02:56:04,800 --> 02:56:09,500
of such military strikes, to be
a hell of a lot worse than just

2823
02:56:09,500 --> 02:56:10,900
dying in the blast.
So to speak.

2824
02:56:10,900 --> 02:56:13,900
I think that that tribulation Is
this going to be a sanctifying

2825
02:56:14,700 --> 02:56:18,600
necessary sacrifice and
spiritual preparation, period.

2826
02:56:18,600 --> 02:56:21,900
So that so that like Nephi
describes, so that we're

2827
02:56:21,900 --> 02:56:25,000
prepared and worthy when the
power of God descends and the

2828
02:56:25,000 --> 02:56:28,500
work of the father commences
despite all the odds.

2829
02:56:30,100 --> 02:56:33,000
So, I'd and that's kind of a
really important thing to, to

2830
02:56:33,000 --> 02:56:38,400
bring out from those verses, the
work of the father I submit that

2831
02:56:38,400 --> 02:56:40,100
that's very different, from the
work of the Sun.

2832
02:56:41,100 --> 02:56:46,600
The work of the sun is to redeem
to save to, you know, to invite

2833
02:56:46,600 --> 02:56:48,500
all.
It's a very broad umbrella.

2834
02:56:48,900 --> 02:56:54,500
That invites everybody.
The work of the father is much

2835
02:56:54,500 --> 02:56:59,100
more targeted.
It's creating helping his sons,

2836
02:56:59,100 --> 02:57:02,200
become God's to become like him
to be exalted.

2837
02:57:02,200 --> 02:57:07,300
It's a, you know, eternal life.
It's It to like the work of the

2838
02:57:07,300 --> 02:57:13,500
Father, the work of the sun is
all about mercy and Grace and

2839
02:57:13,800 --> 02:57:18,400
you know, the work of the father
is I guess you could say a lot

2840
02:57:18,400 --> 02:57:23,000
less touchy-feely.
It's kind of more black and

2841
02:57:23,000 --> 02:57:25,700
white, right?
Be some judgments and cost.

2842
02:57:27,000 --> 02:57:28,400
Absolutely.
And I think that it's

2843
02:57:28,400 --> 02:57:31,200
interesting to note that the
work of the father, when it

2844
02:57:31,200 --> 02:57:34,200
talks about when Brigham says
that the the ordinances of the

2845
02:57:34,200 --> 02:57:37,200
temple are expressly for the
Church of the firstborn.

2846
02:57:37,200 --> 02:57:40,000
In other words, the work of the
father and if you're not called

2847
02:57:40,000 --> 02:57:44,100
to be engaged in the work of the
father, why would you want to go

2848
02:57:44,100 --> 02:57:45,600
to the temple?
Why would you want to receive

2849
02:57:45,600 --> 02:57:48,300
those ordinances?
And why would the church be

2850
02:57:48,300 --> 02:57:51,000
promoting people to like,
because they're kind of saying

2851
02:57:51,000 --> 02:57:54,800
everybody in the church should
and it's like it's a measure of,

2852
02:57:55,000 --> 02:57:57,900
you know, faithfulness within
the church I think that's a Miss

2853
02:57:58,500 --> 02:58:02,200
interpretation and a
misrepresentation of the reality

2854
02:58:02,900 --> 02:58:06,700
and it's what's also interesting
is that you know the going back

2855
02:58:06,700 --> 02:58:09,900
to this idea of heart men's
Hearts shall fail them, we don't

2856
02:58:09,900 --> 02:58:14,100
have to worry that God's plan
has been delayed or that he's

2857
02:58:14,100 --> 02:58:17,000
abandoned us or that his
purposes have been frustrated.

2858
02:58:17,000 --> 02:58:20,500
Despite all of the wicked and
evil forces that are amassing

2859
02:58:20,500 --> 02:58:23,600
themselves in the world today.
Because it's very clear that the

2860
02:58:23,600 --> 02:58:28,800
work of the father commences
after the Whore has gathered all

2861
02:58:28,800 --> 02:58:31,600
of her armies and declared open
war against the Church of the

2862
02:58:31,600 --> 02:58:36,400
lamb.
And so that's really important

2863
02:58:36,600 --> 02:58:41,600
because it helps us to maintain
faith in light of where we're

2864
02:58:41,600 --> 02:58:43,000
at.
Because if you know what time it

2865
02:58:43,000 --> 02:58:45,500
is, it could be concerning to
think.

2866
02:58:45,600 --> 02:58:50,000
Wow, it's coming fast and I
don't feel ready at least in

2867
02:58:50,000 --> 02:58:54,500
speaking for myself, I wish I
had another 10 20 years to

2868
02:58:54,500 --> 02:58:57,900
prepare physically.
Temporarily, you know,

2869
02:58:57,900 --> 02:59:01,700
financially spiritually,
emotionally, psychologically.

2870
02:59:01,700 --> 02:59:06,100
There's all of these dimensions
of preparation and the reality

2871
02:59:06,100 --> 02:59:14,000
is We may have 10 20 years but
we don't and we're not assured

2872
02:59:14,100 --> 02:59:16,400
and it we may have 10 or 20
months who knows?

2873
02:59:16,500 --> 02:59:22,200
We don't know, but we need to
live every day as if it was

2874
02:59:22,800 --> 02:59:25,700
tomorrow.
And and with that singular focus

2875
02:59:25,700 --> 02:59:29,800
and that's what's going to give
us, I think the level of Faith

2876
02:59:29,800 --> 02:59:34,200
to make the sacrifices that are
necessary to obtain these

2877
02:59:34,200 --> 02:59:38,600
ordinances so that we can be led
by the spirit to find these We

2878
02:59:38,600 --> 02:59:42,000
men in whom we know not of that,
God has hidden up unto himself

2879
02:59:42,300 --> 02:59:46,600
that I believe are within the
Native American populations,

2880
02:59:46,600 --> 02:59:49,300
just off our radar.
I think that these are the

2881
02:59:49,300 --> 02:59:52,600
callings that we as the
ephraimites the kings and queens

2882
02:59:52,600 --> 02:59:57,800
of the ephraimites have to rise
up and fulfill and if we fail

2883
02:59:58,000 --> 03:00:00,900
it's again it's not going to.
It's it's not going to frustrate

2884
03:00:00,900 --> 03:00:05,500
the plans of God.
But we've been called. and, you

2885
03:00:05,508 --> 03:00:09,100
know, The standard of Truth has
been erected.

2886
03:00:09,200 --> 03:00:11,100
No one held at hand.
Can stop the work from

2887
03:00:11,100 --> 03:00:14,500
progressing persecutions.
May rage mobs make combined

2888
03:00:14,500 --> 03:00:17,600
armies, May assemble calumny.
They ain't made to fame, but the

2889
03:00:17,600 --> 03:00:20,900
truth of God will go forth
boldly, nobly and independent

2890
03:00:20,900 --> 03:00:22,400
till has penetrated every
continent.

2891
03:00:22,400 --> 03:00:24,600
Visited, every clime swept every
country and sounded.

2892
03:00:24,600 --> 03:00:28,000
And every year, till the
purposes of God shall be

2893
03:00:28,000 --> 03:00:29,200
accomplished in the great
Jehovah.

2894
03:00:29,200 --> 03:00:34,900
Shall say, the work is done.
Like that is where we're at and

2895
03:00:34,900 --> 03:00:39,700
it's, it's scary.
But with the spirit it is

2896
03:00:39,700 --> 03:00:41,400
exciting.
It's exhilarating and it's

2897
03:00:41,400 --> 03:00:44,100
empowering.
Absolutely amen.

2898
03:00:44,800 --> 03:00:52,300
Yeah, I I look at all this and
it can be discouraging but at

2899
03:00:52,300 --> 03:00:58,300
the same time I think those of
us that are awake not woke are

2900
03:00:58,700 --> 03:01:02,000
our it's incumbent upon us to
ring this Bell a little bit

2901
03:01:02,200 --> 03:01:07,700
right to sound that alarm to say
things aren't all great in Zion

2902
03:01:08,200 --> 03:01:15,400
and it's time that we maybe look
at putting on our big people

2903
03:01:15,400 --> 03:01:21,900
pants and go to work and and,
and Let it not be said that

2904
03:01:22,100 --> 03:01:26,600
nobody stood against the right.
Right.

2905
03:01:28,700 --> 03:01:34,000
And I think it's perfectly
acceptable and and healthy that

2906
03:01:34,000 --> 03:01:40,700
we people that maybe we don't
agree with we work with right

2907
03:01:40,700 --> 03:01:46,700
because that's going to provide
Push back and push back is

2908
03:01:46,700 --> 03:01:50,900
always a healthy thing.
So now, and I appreciate like,

2909
03:01:50,900 --> 03:01:53,600
there's been times where I'll
say something and you'll push

2910
03:01:53,600 --> 03:01:55,600
back on me.
And, and I'm sure if you were

2911
03:01:55,600 --> 03:01:57,600
presenting, I could, you know,
push back in.

2912
03:01:57,608 --> 03:02:01,900
And I want to be welcomed that I
want to be pushed against the

2913
03:02:01,900 --> 03:02:04,800
wall and say, why is it, you
believe what you believe?

2914
03:02:05,000 --> 03:02:08,200
Because that's really the only
way that we get down to brass

2915
03:02:08,200 --> 03:02:12,500
tacks, right?
I've always said, you know, my

2916
03:02:12,500 --> 03:02:16,400
Hope was that I I sent a couple
of my kids to college.

2917
03:02:19,300 --> 03:02:21,200
That's a place.
I want them to have their

2918
03:02:21,200 --> 03:02:25,200
beliefs question.
I want them to have the

2919
03:02:25,200 --> 03:02:30,700
experience, to have to defend
what they believe, and not be

2920
03:02:30,900 --> 03:02:33,700
taught what to believe, but how
to defend it?

2921
03:02:34,100 --> 03:02:37,100
And, and I think that's
something that sometimes gets

2922
03:02:37,100 --> 03:02:40,800
lost, right, whether whether
you're part of a group, whether

2923
03:02:40,800 --> 03:02:44,100
you're independent, we find our
own Echo Chambers.

2924
03:02:44,500 --> 03:02:47,700
And when we do that, That's not
healthy.

2925
03:02:48,200 --> 03:02:50,800
Their love to be in the choir.
Yep.

2926
03:02:50,800 --> 03:02:52,900
You know if you.
Yeah, exactly.

2927
03:02:52,900 --> 03:02:57,100
And and so I think these kind of
conversations are so healthy and

2928
03:02:57,100 --> 03:03:01,200
so important and do die.
I respect you and I love you a

2929
03:03:01,208 --> 03:03:05,200
ton for all the work you've done
and let's do this again.

2930
03:03:06,200 --> 03:03:08,000
Yeah.
Well and I'll guess I'll just

2931
03:03:08,000 --> 03:03:10,500
throw out the disclaimer here at
the end.

2932
03:03:11,700 --> 03:03:14,700
I'm not speaking definitively or
authoritatively about any of

2933
03:03:14,700 --> 03:03:17,500
these things.
This is what the has taught me

2934
03:03:17,700 --> 03:03:21,800
and I believe that my role in
the coming days is very likely

2935
03:03:21,800 --> 03:03:23,800
totally different from any
other.

2936
03:03:23,800 --> 03:03:28,600
And so, we have this individual
opportunity though to be led of

2937
03:03:28,600 --> 03:03:32,900
God to obtain in the spirit and
to fill the role that he's

2938
03:03:32,900 --> 03:03:36,500
prepared for you.
For me for anybody for each

2939
03:03:36,500 --> 03:03:40,800
individual, and I think that has
to be remembered.

2940
03:03:41,400 --> 03:03:44,000
I think I've told you this
before, and I'm not sure if I've

2941
03:03:44,000 --> 03:03:47,000
ever shared this on the podcast.
But I'm I'm going to right now.

2942
03:03:49,600 --> 03:03:55,000
I think when the days come that
were all required to stand those

2943
03:03:55,000 --> 03:04:01,700
who are seek honestly seeking to
live the gospel as they have

2944
03:04:01,700 --> 03:04:05,600
received it and how they feel.
They've the Lord is ask them to

2945
03:04:05,600 --> 03:04:08,000
live it.
We're all going to stand up at

2946
03:04:08,000 --> 03:04:11,300
once and we're all going to have
a role to play. you're going to

2947
03:04:11,300 --> 03:04:17,100
see, you know, Joshua Erickson.
I love that dude.

2948
03:04:17,100 --> 03:04:18,400
I love that dude.
Like a brother.

2949
03:04:18,400 --> 03:04:21,800
We don't agree on everything but
he's going to stand up when the

2950
03:04:21,800 --> 03:04:25,300
time comes and you're going to
stand up and I'm going to stand

2951
03:04:25,300 --> 03:04:30,300
up before the world and and you
know folks from the the the

2952
03:04:31,000 --> 03:04:35,400
Nielsen nailers, they'll stand
up together and folks from from

2953
03:04:35,400 --> 03:04:38,900
the branch will stand up and
we'll all have a role to play

2954
03:04:39,600 --> 03:04:45,900
when that time comes and and You
know, we can definitely have our

2955
03:04:45,900 --> 03:04:49,300
differences of opinion and I
think that's healthy and I think

2956
03:04:49,300 --> 03:04:53,700
that's good, but let's not
forget that we all come from

2957
03:04:53,700 --> 03:04:56,800
that same.
When you get write that same,

2958
03:04:58,300 --> 03:05:02,900
you know, we all go back at some
point to Joseph, right?

2959
03:05:02,900 --> 03:05:06,600
We all go back to the
restoration and and I think we

2960
03:05:06,600 --> 03:05:10,200
can definitely and ultimately,
we're all, we have the seat of

2961
03:05:10,200 --> 03:05:13,400
divinity within we all go back
to Adam.

2962
03:05:13,400 --> 03:05:15,900
We all go back to God, the
Father.

2963
03:05:16,200 --> 03:05:19,800
Yeah, and mother and we have
that connection to the Christ.

2964
03:05:20,100 --> 03:05:24,400
This is something that is common
to all regardless of race.

2965
03:05:24,400 --> 03:05:27,200
Regardless of, you know,
nationality regardless of

2966
03:05:27,200 --> 03:05:31,100
background And so, I mean, I
think that it's wonderful that

2967
03:05:31,100 --> 03:05:33,300
you've raised a voice within
the, like, the circles of

2968
03:05:33,300 --> 03:05:35,600
Mormonism.
But I think that this message

2969
03:05:35,700 --> 03:05:39,300
even ReSound has outside of the
Mormon circles.

2970
03:05:39,400 --> 03:05:44,200
I think that there are members
of the Church of Christ that are

2971
03:05:44,200 --> 03:05:47,900
not members of the of Mormonism,
you know, that are that are

2972
03:05:47,900 --> 03:05:50,800
still serving him even if they
don't even know his name or or

2973
03:05:50,800 --> 03:05:54,600
do it in his in his name, if
they're doing if they're living

2974
03:05:54,600 --> 03:05:59,000
those laws and abiding by those
principles they are On his side

2975
03:05:59,100 --> 03:06:01,500
and we would be fools to turn
them away.

2976
03:06:01,500 --> 03:06:04,700
I mean, as Ian again, this
political kingdom of God idea,

2977
03:06:05,000 --> 03:06:07,900
which was a precursor to
establishing the literal city of

2978
03:06:07,900 --> 03:06:10,200
Zion.
On the Earth was not contingent

2979
03:06:10,200 --> 03:06:15,200
upon joining the church.
It was contingent upon abiding

2980
03:06:15,200 --> 03:06:20,600
that laws of Zion which, you
know, every tongue every knee

2981
03:06:20,600 --> 03:06:21,900
shall bow, and every tongue
confess.

2982
03:06:22,400 --> 03:06:25,000
But, you know, when it talks
about fleeing design because you

2983
03:06:25,000 --> 03:06:28,300
don't want to have to literally
fight for your survival, And to

2984
03:06:28,300 --> 03:06:31,600
keep your hands on your property
every day of the week, like

2985
03:06:31,600 --> 03:06:37,200
that, people are going to be
willing to bend the knee and

2986
03:06:37,200 --> 03:06:40,500
confess with the tongue.
And, you know, if they're

2987
03:06:40,500 --> 03:06:45,300
willing to abide the laws upon
which citizenship in Zion is

2988
03:06:45,300 --> 03:06:48,700
required, they're willing,
they're welcome to stay that

2989
03:06:48,700 --> 03:06:52,500
now, they may not join the
church, they may not join the

2990
03:06:52,500 --> 03:06:55,000
church of the firstborn.
They may not enter those inner

2991
03:06:55,000 --> 03:06:57,500
sanctum, you know, inner
circles.

2992
03:06:58,100 --> 03:07:01,100
And that's fine.
As long as they're willing to

2993
03:07:01,200 --> 03:07:04,000
buy the terms of the outer Court
you know to grow borrow the

2994
03:07:05,400 --> 03:07:08,300
Tabernacle of this is day and I
was absolutely.

2995
03:07:08,900 --> 03:07:11,300
So dude.
This was fun.

2996
03:07:11,400 --> 03:07:13,600
Let's do it again.
I was a blast.

2997
03:07:13,800 --> 03:07:17,700
All right they buy everybody
might.

2998
03:07:40,200 --> 03:07:43,000
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2999
03:07:40,200 --> 03:07:43,000
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