The 5,000 Year Leap Discussion Group #2

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Hey everybody, if you remember a
few months back I mentioned that

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we were going to be starting a
discussion group on the book The

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5000 Year Leap.
Before I go into all the details

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here, I want to tell you what
the book's about.

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The book goes into the
principles behind our founding

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documents like the Declaration
of Independence, the

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Constitution, the Bill of
Rights, and it really

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illuminates and and brings those
principles to life.

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It was written by Kleon Skousen
some number of years back, but

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it's still a very pertinent book
to this day.

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If you want to understand what
the original plan was for

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America.
Now we've started holding the

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discussion groups.
In fact, it just last night on

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Monday, we finished up the the
5th discussion.

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Now it was suggested to me that
maybe I go ahead and I post

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these on the podcast.
And so with the help of another

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gentleman, we went ahead and
we've cleaned it all up.

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It's it.
And we're going to start loading

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those today.
Now we've done 5 to this point.

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My plan is, is I'm going to load
the 1st 4 today all the way

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through Friday and you'll be
able to find those and just be

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able to listen to them and get a
feel for what it's all about.

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Now if you decide you want to
join the the discussion group

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live, I've tried to make that
easy for you.

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I put a link to the Zoom
discussion group that we hold

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every Monday night at 7:00 PM
Central.

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In conjunction with that, I've
also uploaded the link and all

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the episode notes for, for kind
of this discussion group where

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you can join on that Telegram
group and kind of join in some,

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some extracurricular discussion
if you'd like throughout the

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week.
You'll also be able to find the

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slides I used for my
presentations and that sort of

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thing there.
Now this in no way effects

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anything I'm doing on Saturday.
You're you'll still be able to

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get the the normal podcast as it
always is on Saturday.

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This is just something extra
that'll go till May for you.

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So again, I hope you guys enjoy
these things.

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If you wish to join the
discussion group and the

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Telegram group, you can find
those links and all the

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discussion group episode show
notes.

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Anyway, I hope you enjoy this.
If you decide to join the

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discussion group, I look forward
to seeing you there again.

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That's every Monday night, 7:00
PM Central.

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Thanks everybody.
Bye.

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Well, it's about 10 after.
We'll go ahead and we'll get

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started here.
I'm sure as normal people jump

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on as time goes along.
So, but with that, we'll just go

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ahead and get rolling.
Melissa, are you in a place

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where you could give us an
opening prayer?

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Maybe not.
All right, Kevin, are you open

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to give us an opening prayer?
Yeah, that'd be fine all.

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Right.
Thanks.

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Our Father in heaven, we're
thankful for this nice day.

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We're thankful that we can meet
together and enjoy the

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Constitution class and talk
about godly principles, learn

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from each other about what
founded this country,

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particularly natural law.
And please bless that the Spirit

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can be with us.
And we say these things in the

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name of Jesus Christ, Amen.
Amen.

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All right.
Thanks, Kevin.

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I appreciate that.
So as, as we discussed last

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week, this would be a place
where we're not going to sit

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down and just read the book
together.

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That would be boring.
And so one of the things we

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talked about was, was doing the
reading beforehand and coming

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back and and just discuss it,
having a discussion about it.

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Now I again, I want to emphasize
it.

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I'm just simply leading the
discussion.

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I'm not trying to sit here and
tell you I know all I've read.

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You know, I've read up on this
for a little bit, a little bit

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of portion of my life, but I
certainly could always stand to

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to know more.
So again, I'm looking forward to

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all your guys's participation.
I anticipate learning a lot from

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you and everybody there.
So the this first section here

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and I think don't think we're
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this week.
I'm imagining we're going to

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have to come back next week.
But a large portion of, of this

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part of the book dealt with the
structuring of a government

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because prior to, to, to what
the founders had done up until

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that time, almost not all, but
almost every other nation on

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earth was governed by usually
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some sort.
And so power was very

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consolidated.
And this was the first time that

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we were going to see see certain
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government that was successful.
Now, we're going to talk a

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little bit tonight about kings
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things.
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distinction that the type of
king that I'll be speaking about

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is not the same kind of king we
hear about in the gospel.

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Those are two different things
we're looking at.

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Certainly there can crossover,
but one usually ends up going

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off the rails because it's not
divinely sanctioned.

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So keeping that in mind as we go
along, but I want to start with

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this at at the beginning of this
section of the book, it talks

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about some of the fallacies that
people fall into.

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And real quick, can someone
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Are they able to see my screen?
I shared my screen here.

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I want to make sure everyone can
see that.

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Yeah, I can see Rob.
OK, perfect.

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All right.
So at the beginning of the book,

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it talks about kind of maybe
some of the fallacies that we

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find ourselves falling into
today in terms of political

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explanation of our positions.
And we we tend to assign label

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to those.
And one of those are in the

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terms right and left when it
when we get into describing

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politics and government.
I'm curious from you guys doing

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your reading, what's wrong with
those terms right and left?

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Well, I mean, I think there's a
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We typically understand that to
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and left being liberal right.
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And I actually have an
interesting take on this because

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I actually consider myself more
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Why do I say that?
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born, abortion has been pretty
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America.
And that isn't something that I

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want to conserve.
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myself progressive in that in
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see that these things, I want to
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I want to see us do better than
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And this is kind of a tricky
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people are, you know, they just
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You know, I'm I'm right, I'm
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liberal.
We don't really think a whole

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lot about what those terms
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And as the world kind of gets
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don't necessarily identify with
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people used to be able to
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It's not quite so easy as which
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I think it requires a more
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what things do I want to
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think we need to actually
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Right?
And, you know, I was, I was very

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fortunate in this regard.
And that, you know, my

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grandfather was a staunch
conservative and my dad was a

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liberal.
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story growing up.
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that because the way that that
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really shows that it's not like
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wrong.
It's they're both good things.

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If they don't extend the bounds
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And if they do extend those
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bad things, like, for example,
conserving the status quo on

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issues such as the welfare state
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things like abortion and all
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Where, no, I'm actually kind of
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regard.
I want to see this changed

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radically.
No, that's, that's a good point.

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Anybody else have anything
they'd like to add there?

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You know, one of the things that
I, I came to mind as Justin was

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talking is that in some ways the
right and left in America and,

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and maybe not so much today
'cause things have gotten so

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crazy, but let's just go back
to, to the Constitutional

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Convention.
Those men didn't see eye to eye

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on a lot of things and it forced
them to go back and to really

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have debates one to another.
And because they were able to do

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that and do that somewhat
agreeably, that allowed them to

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to forge out what would become
our Constitution.

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But they only did that through
absolutely debate and

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disagreeing.
Taylor, I saw your hand go up.

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Yeah, the other thing is in the
modern paradigm of right and

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left, they're really just two
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Cause the right wing, you know,
the, the, the conservative wing

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of politics nowadays, they want
big government in certain areas,

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military, whatever, you know,
education.

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They want to push these, these
large things in certain areas

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that are their favorite things.
Or, you know, investing in the

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economy, bailouts sort of
things, which is, is actually in

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historical terms, very, very,
you know, tyrannical.

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Whereas on the, the left, they,
they want us, they want

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government to get way bigger in
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You know, they want to fund more
abortions, you know, education,

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there's some overlap there.
But you know, and so really both

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the right and left want bigger
government and they want more

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centralization of power and less
freedom.

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They just want them in different
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But it's really a misnomer
'cause it's not like you really

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have a choice.
It's just like, what kind of bad

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do you want?
And so it's, it's, it's a prison

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of paradigm.
Whereas the founders, they

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termed it more in, in the sense
of a different scale altogether,

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a totally different paradigm,
which is a healthy paradigm of,

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OK, proper role of government.
And what are the proper bounds

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the Lord has set?
100% and and that'll, that'll

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lead into this next slide.
And, and I kind of made a few

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slides to kind of I think show
at least my big issue with these

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things.
So if we looked here, this is

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what the view light looks like
in America, right?

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You have the Republicans on the
right, you have the Democrats on

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the left, the Republicans claim
to be these days.

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And this is kind of in a, a
perfect world claim to be

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conservatives, right?
Meaning that they want to hold

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on to these cherished principles
and, and whatnot.

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The Democrats, they tend to look
at what can government do for

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people.
And so there, there's this back

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and forth in this contention.
And, and when it's healthy, it,

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it, that tension can, can kind
of work like a suspension

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bridge, right?
It takes 2 diametric forces, it

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uses it together to make a
structure that's both flexible

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as well as strong.
Now, that's from the American

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perspective.
But something happens when we go

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over to Europe, when we ask what
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Right is fascism, left is
communism, and that is the the

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view right.
One is the Nazis, the other is

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the USSRK.
Again, I don't think it paints

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the full picture.
I think the, the problem with

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the terms right and left here
and, and the scale is that it

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tends to become enlarged, right.
If we were to look at a

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worldwide view or a, a total
view of the entire political

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philosophy.
I think what we can see is that

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if you were to compare America
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just as an example, you're gonna
find that we're actually miles

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apart.
And so you would have absolute,

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you know, conservatism on the
right and then Nazism,

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communism, fascism on the left.
And they're much closer

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together.
But you have that forces you to

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have to zoom out.
And so the terms right and left

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are going to mean different
people to different things at

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different times.
Does anyone have anything they

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want to follow up with or throw
out their comment on with this

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part of it?
Kevin, go ahead.

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I'll saw your hand go up.
Yeah, that's one thing the book

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did mention.
Maybe I'm getting a little head

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here, but it did mention the
extremes, the right and the

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left, are they called tyranny?
And I can't remember the other

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word that they oh, and anarchy.
And it's it's probably a more

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accurate maybe for back then.
I don't know if that'd work for

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now, but it did mention anarchy
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right left paradigm and how they
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Grant, I hope I'm not getting
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No, no.
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And there was, I had a college
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an idea that maybe this idea of
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put on a circle.
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anarchy isn't that much farther
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You aren't necessarily at
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daily affairs if there's
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You don't have any assurity that
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off if someone can come get to
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And so I'm, yeah, I see, I see
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actually more closely related
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the surface.
Anybody else?

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You know, maybe along with that,
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actually have Republicans and
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over there.
I think a lot of people might

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disagree with that today, but I
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Having a lot of friends and
family that are of the more

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Democrat political persuasion.
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discussion, in discussing
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same ideas of what we want the
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It's not that radically
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It's really more of an issue on
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that.
That was mentioned in the book.

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How, you know, the Founding
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on stuff like, you know, talking
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They had to go through 60
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everybody on the same page.
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them.
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an important truth to that of
the value of getting everybody

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on the same page.
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let's keep talking about it.
Let's keep discussing it, let's

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figure it out.
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is we really do want the same
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We want the same outcomes.
What we're really arguing is how

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to best get there.
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large degree true, at least
maybe not among the, the liberal

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and conservative politicians,
but as far as the, the citizens

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of the, of the country that
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Democrat.
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want, the outcomes they want
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The it's just a difference of
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and what's needed to to get
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Absolutely.
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That's good and you know it.
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I do think that that most people
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politicians, not not leaders,
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I think most people just want a,
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their kids can grow up and be
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opportunity to further their
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wherever that lies.
And it, I think you're 100%

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correct.
The, the argument comes into how

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do we get there and how are we
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What map are we going to use?
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confused and think, well,
actually this map, you know,

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according to this map, if, if we
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reach the promised land when in
all actuality, maybe that map is

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turned upside down and we know
that it's going to lead off of a

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Cliff.
So that is the argument, right?

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How do we get to where it is we
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Anybody else?
Evan, I see your hand is still

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up.
Did you have something or is

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that leftover from the last
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All right.
Well, we'll go ahead and move on

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here.
Then next slide on page 10, it

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says measuring people and issues
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has turned out to be, I can't
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Philosophical.
I can't.

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Basically it's saying
politically fallacious if not

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totally misleading.
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Dave, start a podcast.
That'll be great.

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You talk Well, yeah, let me
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Measuring people and issues in
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turned out to be politically
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misleading.
Why is this true?

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Why is that true that measuring
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terms of political parties?
Why is that turned out to be

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false?
I think that doing that just

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simplifies the the parties a
little bit too or simplifies the

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person too much because people
are are they have depth to them

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and they have overlapping
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It's kind of like kind of like
Justin was saying earlier that,

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you know, he identifies some
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another and that he actually
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That doesn't align with anyone
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And forgive me if I'm
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that's kind of what it sounded
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So here we have this left and
right argument, we have

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Conservative and Liberal
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and Z arguments that are
dividing people when most people

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have defining characteristics
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percent, 100% I.
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totally agree, Tim.
Yeah, that's exactly kind of

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what I was saying.
And that's the thing, right?

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Are there really only two types
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Those who agree with the
Republican Party and everything

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it does all the time, 100% of
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all the time, 100% of the time?
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person who really falls within
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Justin was just alluding to it,
it outsources personal

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responsibility because if you're
part of a group, now you can

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kind of a lot of times the
temptation that humans fall into

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is you become part of a group
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with that group.
So rather than having your own

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personal individual
responsibility to think about a

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problem and, and kind of wrestle
with it and figure out, you

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know, pray about it, study it
out, study the scriptures, take

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it to God, study other
philosophical and, and other

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sources to figure out what is
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And you know, that's your
conscience and your personal

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responsibility when you're just
part of a party, the the party

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leadership makes those decisions
and does the thinking for you.

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And you just have to go along
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That just is an abridgment of
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That's a that's the antithesis
of American values, which is

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about in rugged individualism,
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you know, when you get into

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that, when you get sucked into
that trap of group thinking, you

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know, collectivist mindset, then
if your party comes up with some

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really dumb ideas, like, hey,
let's kill a bunch of babies,

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but you hate the other party
worse now you just start

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justifying and and you know,
you, you sustain evil that you

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know that you don't like.
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direction too.
Like we go along with the

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Republican candidate because,
well, he's not as bad as the

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Democrats.
So you're voting for the lesser

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of two evils.
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evils, it's still evil.
We shouldn't be sustaining evil.

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We shouldn't be doing that.
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consequences of political party
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And it's, it's, it's just bad at
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Anybody else have anything they
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I I can't figure out how to
raise my hand where the button

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is for that.
Well, no problem.

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Hit Alt Y, the Alt key and then
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Alt Y OK, there we go.
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Look at that.
Hey, I didn't know about that

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either, Shahzad.
Don't worry about it.

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I, I, Kevin taught us, taught us
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What you got, Shahzad?
Well, so echoing what what

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Taylor just said and what
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guys are saying, George
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the nation spoke very well about
these ideas and that parties do

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'cause all these problems and we
do end up supporting evil just

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because of it's my team against
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And this is actually, I use this
in a talk in December that that

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I gave talking about this.
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the day, the party system was
inherited from Europe and it's

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not part of our, the American
system, right in, in you know,

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so people were sold this right
left as a way to sort of control

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us.
And we and for the weak minded,

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you end up thinking the
difference between right and

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wrong is my party versus yours,
when really the founders gave us

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much a better measuring stick of
right versus wrong just in the

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Constitution itself.
And as you were saying before,

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how you how they debated and,
and wanted the they wanted the

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same end goal, but they had
differing opinions.

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Well, what was amazing about
them is how good they were at

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arguing to come to good answers.
And they called that loyal

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opposition.
You know, we're against each

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other, but we want the same
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So let's figure this out.
And you'll find in the business

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world, there's this term that
I've used in engineering

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discussions.
Disagree and commit.

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It's like we all want this
company and this project to be

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successful.
So we're going to hammer this

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out until we kind of align and
and so we're this, we're this

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loyal opposition, loyal to each
other, but we're to find the

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right answer.
And so the founders did that and

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they gave us the foundation.
And so we're much better off

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studying that foundation and
knowing, you know, about the

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1000 questions they answered to
get there instead of re debating

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on this left right paradigm
questions that have already been

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solved with a lot more wisdom
than we generally tend to throw

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at it. 100% thanks Shahzad,
that's awesome.

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I agree more.
I I think the other thing is, is

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that at some level, boy Nah.
I'm probably going to get a

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little spicy here.
The party system seems to

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dehumanize people, it others
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And whenever that happens,
dialogue for the most part just

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shuts down.
There is no more trying to

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understand somebody else's point
of view and where they come

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from.
And when you abandoned that,

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there's no hope at that point
that I can see where there's a

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coming back where you can talk
to another person, recognize

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their humanity, at the same time
disagree with them vigorously if

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need be on what you hold to be
right.

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And it's really surprising how
far we've come in a short period

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of time.
I want to go back to Reagan and

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his his time period.
And look, I, I want to say this,

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I like Reagan, but I don't think
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I think he had issues as well.
But nonetheless, what I'm going

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to do here is kind of illustrate
the political climate of back

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then versus where we are now.
And one of Reagan's major

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opponents, who was, I believe he
was a senator, maybe a

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congressman, senator or
congressman, I can't remember

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which one, his name was Tip
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And him and Reagan did not get
along at all, but they found a

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way to work together.
And there there was a great clip

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of when Reagan got a bill passed
that basically kicked off

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Reaganomics.
And there there's this great

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clip of Tip O'Neill, who calls
the president and congratulates

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him, says job well done, you got
the bill through.

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Understand this is on you now
going forward, right?

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This is your baby.
But nonetheless, good on you.

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And we'll work together where we
can to make things successful.

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I thought that's amazing.
Like I would give my left arm

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for a political climate like
that today.

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And even that was riddled with
problems.

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But I can't, I mean, can anybody
imagine that happening today?

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It's just off the charts.
And so there is the party

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system.
I, I'm with you, Shahzad.

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I think, you know, I don't think
I know Washington warned against

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that.
And I think we are now seeing

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the fruition of what happens
when party comes before

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principle.
And that's part of the problem

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here with with these political
parties.

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00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,320
Does anybody else have anything
they want to add before we move

453
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:22,520
on here, Kevin?
Since you brought up Tip

454
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:27,680
O'Neill, I do want to report or
or I do want to comment.

455
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:33,440
I know President Reagan and Tip
O'Neill would often bicker

456
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,600
amongst each other and one of
the things President Reagan

457
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:42,200
would do is he would ask, is it
after 6:00?

458
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:48,640
Meaning is it the work day over?
Meaning can we act as though the

459
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,880
work day is over to get to find
some common ground?

460
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,040
That's interesting tidbit of
information.

461
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,480
Absolutely.
Thanks, Kevin.

462
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:07,840
Anybody else?
All right, moving on.

463
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,600
The book then goes on to start
talking about what Ruler's law

464
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,040
is, and it it gives some
examples here.

465
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:24,400
And ruler's law usually ends up
with power being consolidated

466
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:30,200
into either one man or a very
close circle of other men.

467
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:36,280
And so it always tends to be
kind of top coming from from the

468
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:41,160
top down to everybody else.
Typically it's established by

469
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:49,400
force, violence, or conquest.
All that power is in all powers

470
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,080
vested in the Conqueror, his
descendants.

471
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,840
People are not equal.
They're divided into classes,

472
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,360
and those classes are all
subject to a king.

473
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,400
Now I want to stop here for a
minute.

474
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:08,040
Can anybody else give me an
example on where dividing people

475
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:13,320
into classes is super important
to their political cause?

476
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,840
Kevin.
Whenever we talk about we're

477
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,640
going to tax the wealthy and
give it all to the poor middle

478
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,640
class, which never happens.
If that were to happen them,

479
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,040
well, I will.
I have disability checks that go

480
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,200
up.
I'll just put it that way.

481
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,960
But whenever you start talking
about taxing the wealthy, what

482
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,760
happens?
These corporations, these

483
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,040
wealthy people find loopholes.
Why?

484
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,240
Probably because they're
lobbying in DC.

485
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,120
Yeah, we understand you got to
give, give people these, this

486
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,200
tax hike.
But we want this.

487
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,280
We want our business to be safe
or whatever.

488
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,600
And so that is pure class
division right there.

489
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,080
It sounds good on paper that
you're going to take from the

490
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,520
wealthy and give it all to the
poor middle class to have to get

491
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:09,280
them have it to have a hand up.
It sounds good, but in reality

492
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,000
it doesn't work.
I've been around long enough to

493
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,120
know that.
Yeah.

494
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,960
You know, one of the places, one
political theory that really

495
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:27,440
needs class conflict or class
warfare is, is communism.

496
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,360
You need to have the worker
class, which typically be it

497
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:40,240
means the oppressed class rise
up against like capital, right,

498
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:45,400
or management, and those have to
conflict.

499
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:51,280
Now, I haven't done enough
research on, you know, medieval

500
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,720
Europe or Europe under, you
know, monarchy.

501
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,920
But I would dare to guess that
there was probably a little bit

502
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:03,480
of keep the keeping the classes
working against themselves.

503
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,600
Because if they're working
against themselves, you're not

504
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,680
really seeing what the other
hand is doing.

505
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:14,400
And so dividing people into
classes is is almost always

506
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:20,440
disastrous.
OK, entire country is the

507
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:26,520
conquerors or the kings.
I'm going to ask a question now.

508
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,360
Again, it's a little bit of a
leading question and maybe a

509
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:38,080
little spicy one.
But do we have any examples of

510
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:46,080
this in America today where the
ground belongs to 1 entity?

511
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:54,320
You mean like the FDA?
The FDA, the Food and Drug

512
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,880
Administration, Justin.
Yeah, yeah.

513
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,880
Go ahead and elaborate.
Well, I mean, they're just, they

514
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,400
are the standard.
You're not allowed to argue with

515
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,680
them.
You're not allowed to speak

516
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,679
against them.
They set the rules.

517
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,639
And if you disagree, you can
privately disagree, but you

518
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,840
cannot, you're not allowed to
even speak against them under

519
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,600
threat of a threat of law.
And don't get me wrong, there

520
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,440
are some good things that I
believe are, are, are

521
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:27,080
accomplished through the FDA,
right?

522
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,400
And that's, that's really the,
that's the, that's the struggle.

523
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:37,440
Like ruler's law isn't
necessarily all 100% bad because

524
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,400
it does provide a certain amount
of stability and expectation.

525
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,480
What it doesn't allow for is
into is individual innovation

526
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:54,000
and freedom, though, right?
And so like, I would go to jail

527
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,080
right now if I were to say, hey,
you know what?

528
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:01,080
I just cured my kids RSV and
they got better faster because

529
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:06,080
we put garlic on their feet.
If I were to make that claim,

530
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,640
the FDA would come after me.
I'm not allowed to say that.

531
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,320
And is that not rulers?
Law?

532
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,160
They're the elites.
They're the they're the

533
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,080
knowledgeable ones.
They're the ones who get to

534
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:22,040
decide what, what is food and,
and drugs and how all that works

535
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,360
out.
And you know, the food pyramid

536
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,480
for all these years, right?
We're saying stuff like, you

537
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,360
know, fats, those are bad, like
butter and meat fats.

538
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,360
Those are, those are really bad
for your health.

539
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:39,880
And well, lo and behold, we get
a new person in charge of, of

540
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,400
the federal government's health
and, and they literally flipped

541
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,880
the pyramid upside down.
And so, I mean, I think the FDA

542
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,880
is a really, really good example
of a modern day rulers law

543
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:57,920
organization because they have a
monopoly and they get to decide

544
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,480
what's allowed to be spoken and
what's not allowed to be spoken.

545
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,800
And and they they make the
rules.

546
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:06,600
Absolutely.
OK.

547
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:07,760
I see.
Two hands up.

548
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:08,880
Thanks for that.
Justin.

549
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:13,360
Kevin, did.
Did you have a comment or was

550
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,640
that leftover?
Oh, yeah, I, I yeah, I do,

551
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,960
actually.
Sorry, I thought I put my hand

552
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:23,720
out, but I can comment.
The IRS is this way.

553
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,960
And now I don't want to get into
a debate whether we ought to pay

554
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:33,360
taxes or not or whatever, but
somebody out there has decided

555
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:38,880
not to pay taxes.
And I know someone that was a

556
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,120
character witness for him in
court.

557
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,920
And in court, you know, he said,
well, this guy, I guess I can

558
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,160
mention his name, he's somewhat
of a public figure.

559
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,040
Ken Cromer, he made the movie
All Dogs Go to Heaven, or he

560
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:58,120
directed it.
And he, Sam Bushman, who's a

561
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,720
podcaster.
I'm not revealing any secrets

562
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:02,040
here.
He talked about it on his

563
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,800
podcast, said, yeah, Ken is a
great guy.

564
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,560
He looked out for his mother.
That was elderly.

565
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,280
She was in a nursing home, but
they didn't treat her very good.

566
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,680
He put her in another one and
the judge said stop and

567
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,920
dismissed the whole jury.
And, you know, basically told

568
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,400
Sam, we're not supposed to say
that.

569
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,840
And Sam had to oblige.
I mean, he could have fought

570
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,680
with the jury, with the judge.
What good would that have done?

571
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,640
So they put him in the, you
know, they put the jury back in

572
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:37,560
the courtroom and said ignore
everything that Sam just said.

573
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,640
And Sam just tried to reward it.
But the point is, you crossed

574
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:46,520
the IRS.
You will spend the rest of your

575
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,240
life in prison.
And I've heard cases like this

576
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,240
over and over.
And they definitely have a grip

577
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,440
on us.
And again, we're not here to

578
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,680
debate whether we should pay
taxes or not.

579
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:06,800
But you know, a good example of
the government acting like a

580
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,480
dictator or an agency in this
case.

581
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,960
Absolutely, Tim.
Yeah, I don't disagree at all

582
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,000
with what was being said about
the FDA by Justin.

583
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,960
But as he was talking, I was
thinking of the DoD and I was

584
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,680
thinking of police force.
And I think I came to the

585
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,200
realization that the entire
executive branch is designed to

586
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,080
be heavy-handed, that the
legislative and judicial

587
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,080
branches is where dialogue
happens and where ideas are

588
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,040
batted back and forth.
But when it's your job to

589
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:43,200
execute the law, you don't have
room for dissenters at that

590
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,760
point.
Right.

591
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:51,440
No, that's an excellent point.
I'll, I'll tell you where my

592
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,640
mind went, and that was the
Bureau of Land Management.

593
00:38:55,360 --> 00:39:00,120
Now, I know that sounds nerdy,
but there is.

594
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,840
I want to say, and you might
have this fact and figure more

595
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:10,320
handy than I do, but I want to
say it's almost like 65% of all

596
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:17,200
land that is in the West is
controlled and owned by the

597
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,360
federal government.
And this is land that quite

598
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:25,120
frankly isn't good for much else
other than developing.

599
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,000
And why is this a problem?
the IT becomes a problem because

600
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:37,480
if we look in Utah right now, it
was expensive when I left.

601
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,240
I don't know what it is now, but
I think a starter home, which is

602
00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:46,640
a typical 2 bedroom or excuse
me, 3 bedroom, 2 bath was going

603
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,720
upwards of four in some places
that I had found.

604
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,320
And part of the problem is
there's just not a lot of ground

605
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,920
left to build on along the
Wasatch Front.

606
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,280
Well, you get you get down
towards Nephi in that area,

607
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,320
things start to open up, right?
There's there's massive tracts

608
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,960
of land out there.
Only you don't get the

609
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,320
opportunity to homestead it.
Look at it.

610
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,400
You, they do let you go on parts
of it, you know, for national

611
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:20,600
parks and that sort of thing.
But other than that, they are

612
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:25,040
absolutely standing in the way
of the solution to the problem

613
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:31,240
of, of affordable housing.
And that's absolutely 100% in

614
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:33,720
their control.
Tim, did you have something else

615
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:35,880
you wanted to say?
I see your hand still up.

616
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,320
Did I interrupt you, brother?
Oh, not at all, I just forgot to

617
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:40,400
lower my hand.
Thanks.

618
00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:42,880
OK, no, you're good.
I just didn't want to be that

619
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,520
guy that was talking over
somebody.

620
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,760
OK, no, that's all good stuff.
And look, there's going to be

621
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,560
one more of these or two more of
these that I'm going to talk

622
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,920
about here, where I'm going to
draw some comparisons and

623
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,760
because I think it's healthy to
find out where we are here

624
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,280
exactly in the country.
So yeah, that was in the entire

625
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,320
country is either the king, the
Conqueror or the kings.

626
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,680
I've already mentioned power
comes from the top down.

627
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,600
We know that that's an issue.
The other one, though, that I

628
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,680
think can be a big issue, is
that all rights come from the

629
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,760
king.
What is the problem with that

630
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,280
idea that that your rights come
from the king or from the

631
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,640
governor or whatever, the
president, Congress?

632
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,760
What is the issue with this idea
that man grants to other men

633
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,520
rights?
Ghazad, then Tim.

634
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:45,040
If we accept that government or
the King can grant them to us,

635
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:49,520
then we must accept that they
can take them away. 100 percent,

636
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,680
100%.
Tim, I agree completely with

637
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,320
that and I would add to it that
it also doesn't provide any

638
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,000
space for inalienable rights,
which is probably the same

639
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,880
thing.
Absolutely, absolutely.

640
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:08,120
You guys are spot on.
This is one of those things that

641
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:16,120
I think is really, really
dangerous because if we get to

642
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:21,680
that point to where we make the
assumption that man can grant to

643
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:26,160
other men their rights, then
they're free to take them away.

644
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:33,840
You can do the ultimate in
othering of people by saying no,

645
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,120
you know, you don't have those
rights.

646
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:43,680
If, if those rights can be
revoked in some way, you are

647
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,840
called less than human.
And if you're less than human,

648
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,840
now people can do all sorts of
bad things to you about this.

649
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:58,280
I think we saw this hot and
heavy during COVID, right when

650
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:05,280
Joe Biden makes his his his case
that the reason COVID isn't

651
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,480
going away is because of all
those unvaccinated people.

652
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:14,640
He has then othered them.
And what he's really trying to

653
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,200
do is say you don't have a
choice but to take this vaccine.

654
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,040
It isn't a right to say that you
don't have to take it.

655
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,520
You don't have that right.
That's a problem.

656
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:34,040
And the more we are willing to
cede that to fallible men, and

657
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,400
there's no man that's an
infallible, the more chance you

658
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,720
have of finding yourself knee
deep in tyranny.

659
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,520
And this kind of ties in with
this, this next principle of

660
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,160
government of man, not
principle.

661
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,600
What what is the difference
between a government of men and

662
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,440
a government of laws or
government of principle?

663
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,600
Their laws in principle are kind
of kind of interchangeable here.

664
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,200
What's the difference between
the two?

665
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:16,800
Well.
One thing is everybody's on

666
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,040
equal footing.
You know, if if it's the laws of

667
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:24,120
men, it's real easy to exempt
yourself and pass laws that

668
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,360
apply to other people.
Like the the lower people, the

669
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,920
lesser people, the others.
That and it just introduces a

670
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:37,080
guarantee of hypocrisy.
Absolutely, Absolutely.

671
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:43,880
The other thing is, is if it's
the government of men, that

672
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:49,440
means that that man who's in
power, he does not operate

673
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,360
within a system of laws and
rules.

674
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:58,480
Even God himself has said if I
do, if I cease to do certain

675
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:04,400
things, I cease to be God, or if
I don't do certain things, I

676
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:10,760
cease to be God.
So if if the designer, framer

677
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:17,680
and architect of all of creation
has to operate inside the rules

678
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:22,560
and principles, why does man
think that he is above that?

679
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:29,240
And the beauty of being a nation
of laws and principles rather

680
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:33,920
than a nation of men is that
things get pretty predictable.

681
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:39,400
And when you have a state where
things are predictable, you now

682
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,800
know what to expect to a degree,
and you can make logical

683
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,760
assumptions and conclusions
based on those those principles.

684
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,400
When that's revoked, you're
basically left to kiss the ring

685
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,720
of the man who's in charge and
bend the knee to him rather than

686
00:45:57,720 --> 00:46:00,320
to God.
Does anybody else have anything

687
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:08,200
on that they'd like to add?
OK, we'll move on.

688
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:16,360
The next example that we find in
ruler's law is that edicts will

689
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,560
be issued.
That will be called laws.

690
00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:23,520
Now, let me ask a question.
Do we see this today in the

691
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:30,640
United States of America,
Shahzad?

692
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:38,360
Yeah, that's an important one
for us as a people to recognize

693
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:43,200
when that happens.
Because an edict as in just a

694
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,680
declaration of the king, because
I said so.

695
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,520
This is when the executive
branch pretends to write law and

696
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,960
use legislative power that they
don't have.

697
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,200
The the power to write law was
given to the House of

698
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,360
Representatives or the
legislature in each state.

699
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:06,120
And it is unconstitutional to
delegate that power to the

700
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,520
executive branch.
And so that's primarily where a

701
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,480
lot of the tyranny happens, is
the executive branch just making

702
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,800
up things and pretending that
they're law and that the

703
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,680
founders called that pretend
legislation.

704
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:19,960
By the way, they had a term for
that.

705
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:27,280
Absolutely.
That's that's 100% correct.

706
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,920
Just out of curiosity, what do
we call those today?

707
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,040
We don't call them edicts today.
What do we call those today?

708
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,360
Executive orders.
Executive orders, yeah.

709
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:39,800
And look, here's the thing,
right?

710
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,880
And This is why it's important
that we become governed by

711
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:47,440
principle rather than by men.
And that's why our end goal

712
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:53,520
should be true principles and
not getting one guy elected.

713
00:47:54,920 --> 00:48:00,920
OK, when when we let let's just
use an example.

714
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:07,160
If we saw Barack Obama go up
there and issue a bunch of

715
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:12,520
executive orders, which he did
right, basically just I am the

716
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,000
king and I'm signing this into
law.

717
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:21,160
And it just goes through well,
for, you know, if, if look, if

718
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,480
you're in this class, I'm, I'm
going to, I'm going to make an

719
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,080
assumption.
You're probably kind of

720
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,480
conservative, right?
You believe in smaller

721
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,760
government.
Maybe not, but I think most

722
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:36,320
people probably would.
If all of the laws and edicts,

723
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,520
executive orders that Barack
would have signed into law were

724
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,960
affecting our pocketbook or, you
know, hey, you got to take the

725
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:50,680
vaccine or something like that.
Well, that's going to really

726
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:57,360
irritate us.
But, but it is so important that

727
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:03,480
when we find somebody who we
like who is just going to go in

728
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:10,880
and started exercising the that
opportunity to to issue

729
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:16,120
executive orders, we have to
understand that the same club

730
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,120
that we would use on somebody
else will now be used on us.

731
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:27,600
And so laws coming through
edicts is not the way we want to

732
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,840
do this.
We want actual codified laws

733
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,720
that have went through the
process as outlined in the

734
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:36,800
Constitution, which we will get
to later.

735
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:42,200
But nonetheless, if it can just
be signed into law by one man,

736
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,240
that's a problem.
I see I've, I've been neglectful

737
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:49,600
here a little bit of the chat.
So I want to, I want to take a

738
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:56,040
look at that.
Let's see at 7:30, Justin said.

739
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,600
However political parties may
now and then answer popular

740
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,280
ends, they're likely in the
course of time and things to

741
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:09,040
become potent engines by which
cunning, excuse me, by which

742
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,280
cunning, ambitious and
unprincipled men will enable to

743
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:18,400
subvert the power of the people
and to assert themselves the

744
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:23,120
reigns of government, destroying
afterwards the very engines

745
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,800
which have lifted them to unjust
dominion.

746
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:30,600
I'm I'm assuming that's that's
from Washington.

747
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,200
That's yeah, that's Washington's
farewell address.

748
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:35,040
Shahzad mentioned it.
I thought I just showed the

749
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,880
quote.
Perfect.

750
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:41,040
Thank you.
Taylor says COVID lockdowns were

751
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,960
never voted into law by
legislature. 100% correct.

752
00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:52,080
You know, I think this is this
is something worth talking about

753
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,400
here for just a second before we
move on.

754
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,520
I believe the quote was I'm
going to butcher this, but

755
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,640
Franklin, I believe, was quoted
as saying a man who was willing

756
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,640
to sacrifice his freedom for a
little bit of security or

757
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:14,960
supposed security was worthy of
neither.

758
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,720
So often.
And and look, I'll give a story

759
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:21,000
of about this in a second for my
own life.

760
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:28,080
So often when, when these rights
are going to be taken, they're

761
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,240
usually taken with our consent,
with the consent of the

762
00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:33,640
governed.
And it comes through

763
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:38,440
predominantly fear is, is the
way it works.

764
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,600
When 911 happened, I was a young
dad.

765
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:51,000
I was, I was probably, probably
202324.

766
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,560
And man, I was nervous.
And I remember when the Patriot

767
00:51:55,560 --> 00:52:00,520
Act came out and I was, I hadn't
made my my trip out to

768
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,240
Philadelphia yet.
I hadn't got as familiar with

769
00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:06,320
with these principles as I have
been as of late.

770
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,720
But as a young dad, I was just
like, yeah, whatever we got to

771
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:14,000
do to prevent this from
happening again, right?

772
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:21,280
That was a mistake.
That was 100% percent a mistake

773
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:27,320
on my part because it was it was
in that fear that I was willing

774
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:33,600
to go along with the program.
All right, I think that's that's

775
00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:35,840
about it for for those for right
now.

776
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:42,560
All right, one more pro issue I
find with with this, and the

777
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:48,880
book illustrates it as well is
this idea that every problem

778
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:54,480
requires a new law.
That's not the truth of things.

779
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,880
I can't remember which president
it was.

780
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:03,280
It may have been Calvin
Coolidge, who in my opinion is

781
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:07,240
one of the most unsung American,
Great American presidents ever.

782
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,240
I believe it was his
administration.

783
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:12,200
Don't quote me on that.
I'd have to go back and look.

784
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:17,480
There was a horrible flood in
East Texas and the federal

785
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:27,000
government was going to issue
some relief to him and Coolidge

786
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,600
said no, we're not going to do
that.

787
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,440
He said I trust the American
people to do the right thing.

788
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,840
And he was 100% correct.
Money flowed in from across the

789
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,240
country and got those people
back up on their feet.

790
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:48,200
With absolutely $0.00 being
spent federally Now, certainly

791
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:54,640
there's going to be times where
people have benefited from help

792
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,160
from up top like that.
And I don't want to take away

793
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:04,280
from their experience, but if we
want to be a free people, we

794
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,520
have to conduct ourselves as
such.

795
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,240
We're going to get into a lot of
talking about our rights later

796
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:15,040
in this class, but I also plan
on contrasting that then with

797
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:19,360
what's our responsibility.
So if we don't want government

798
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,680
wasting our money, spending
$0.90 on the dollar for charity,

799
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:28,400
meaning that only $0.10 on every
dollar goes to those affected,

800
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:33,480
then it becomes our
responsibility to exercise our

801
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,560
right to help our neighbor.
And we need to make the

802
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,600
government kind of irrelevant
again.

803
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,720
And when we can do that, I think
we stand a chance.

804
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,440
Otherwise, what's going to
happen is, is that government

805
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,160
will see a problem, people will
cry out about the problem, and

806
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:58,240
the government will take your
rights away in order to get that

807
00:54:58,240 --> 00:55:00,080
done.
Let me give you an example.

808
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,360
Few years back, I believe again
during the, the Obama

809
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:10,200
administration, there was a
group of folks, I want to say it

810
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:14,520
was in Southern California who
thought, you know, there's some

811
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,200
really hungry people out here
was during the, the crash of

812
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,680
the, the housing market.
And it was a group of

813
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,240
philanthropists who were pretty
well off.

814
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,760
They weren't, you know, they
weren't Bill Gates kind of rich,

815
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,800
but they had some money and they
thought, you know, why don't we

816
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:33,120
just do like 3 meals in the park
couple days a week.

817
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,400
And so they went to do it and
the government came out and shut

818
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,800
them down.
And the reason they came out and

819
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,560
shut them down was because they
said, well, none of this food

820
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,080
has been inspected.
So we can't help you with this

821
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:52,040
and you need to stop this.
And if people need charity, they

822
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,360
should come to us.
That's a huge problem.

823
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:00,080
And so we we have to be
cognizant that if we don't want

824
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,480
a new law for every single
problem that America faces, that

825
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,400
kind of falls on us to be able
to step up and fill the gap.

826
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,600
Does anyone have anything else
they'd like to add on that

827
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:16,720
before we move on?
I got something and I don't know

828
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:19,360
where you're going next.
Maybe it's the following

829
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:23,040
scousing into the rule of people
or the people's law.

830
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:27,480
But what this really to me the
bullet point here is saying is

831
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:31,520
every problem requires a
government solution.

832
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:39,840
And that's where I take issue.
It's not even if it's not a new

833
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,440
law, because it would mean these
days we don't bother with laws.

834
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,560
We just the government just does
stuff, right.

835
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,440
I'll be honest here, right?
There's a problem, the

836
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,000
government's going to get itself
involved and it's going to, it's

837
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:56,120
going to give us a solution.
And if we take that idea that

838
00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:01,080
the government's job is to solve
our problems to a logical

839
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:07,040
conclusion, it, it doesn't
really end until we have

840
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,560
surrendered all of our agency
unto the government.

841
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:15,720
And the government is the Lord
ruler over us, You know, in

842
00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:21,720
absolute, in absolutism.
And you know, I, I, I don't

843
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,000
think that's a good thing.
I think that's actually contrary

844
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,600
to the plan of salvation that
God has given us.

845
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,080
This is, this is a Mormon
discussion here.

846
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,480
I think it's worth talking about
our own theology.

847
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:40,000
God granted unto men agency and
sometimes men use their agency

848
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:44,320
to do really bad things, right.
This is This is why a lot of

849
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,160
times atheists, this is one of
the biggest critiques they have

850
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,920
of religion is if there well if
there's a God, then why does bad

851
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:54,880
thing happen to good people?
But Mormon theology actually has

852
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,120
an answer to that.
Bad things happen to good people

853
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:03,920
because God respects man's
agency, at least up to a degree,

854
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,080
until it's been violated beyond
redemption.

855
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,280
And that causes pain and
suffering in life.

856
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,200
And there's no getting around
that, right?

857
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,920
Like in our Gospel fundamentals
class, we've been going over the

858
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,400
Beatitudes and the experiment on
the mount, and we were listening

859
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,160
to Christ.
What is Christ's message is, is

860
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,280
that there's going to be
suffering in this world.

861
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,640
If you want to rise above it,
you've got to endure these

862
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,120
things because there is going to
be pain, there is going to be

863
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,280
sorrow.
Tragedies are going to happen,

864
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,880
not some people are going to use
their agency incorrectly to

865
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:42,240
cause you harm.
And Christ's message to us is to

866
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,080
ask us to forgive those people
even.

867
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,600
Absolutely.
Not, not create laws or empower

868
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:54,520
a government to solve all those
problems so it can never happen

869
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:58,160
again.
And this is actually a place

870
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:02,160
where I kind of disagreed with
Skousen to be honest, because he

871
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,480
talks about the rulers law and
the people's law, right?

872
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,240
I, I think he misses the, the, I
think he misses the bigger

873
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,680
picture here.
What, what the Constitution is

874
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,320
to a degree.
It's God's law.

875
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,680
It's above the people and the
rulers because there is

876
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,960
something to be said for rulers
ruling.

877
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,480
They tend to be better educated.
They're more aware of nuance,

878
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,120
right.
You look at the, the anarchy

879
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:33,360
that can happen sometimes in
populism when bad ideas take

880
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:38,000
root, but they become kind of
hyper inflated in the public's

881
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:42,000
mind.
And things can kind of go off

882
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,960
the rails when, when you have
the people in charge.

883
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,320
But likewise, things are also
off the rails when the rulers

884
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,040
are in charge.
And what I think the the

885
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,680
founding fathers did is they,
they made it God's law.

886
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,920
And here's how I would say that
they did this.

887
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,720
It's God's law because they put
the Constitution above the

888
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:05,320
government and the people as a
higher standard that both

889
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:11,440
government and populace are
subordinate to and

890
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,440
constitutional law, or
essentially God's law.

891
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,400
Gives man their agency to a
degree to do bad things.

892
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,840
And that's really tragic.
And the government shouldn't be

893
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:25,520
the solution to everything,
though sometimes there's value

894
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:30,960
in in experiencing hardships and
and overcoming them and learning

895
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:35,640
to grow from them.
And where I think if you took

896
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:39,880
the government this this ruler's
law to its extreme, there is no

897
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,640
more agency, right?
We've got cameras installed in

898
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,760
all of our homes, watching
everything we do, making sure

899
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,320
that nobody does anything that
might harm somebody else.

900
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,560
And we all essentially become
slaves to a system we created.

901
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:59,400
And that's not God's.
Plan 100% Shahzad, I saw your

902
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:06,320
hand go up.
Yeah, I like what I'm hearing

903
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,280
and it's and it's definitely
correct how God's law is

904
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:16,440
paramount above it all it I'm
just hoping maybe I can be a

905
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:20,640
little bit helpful on there that
there there's the founders

906
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,800
intended there to be a couple of
layers to it.

907
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:27,240
So they absolutely claimed
authority from God saying all

908
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,840
people had.
That's what inalienable rights

909
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,840
means, right, Is when we talk
about God's law or natural law,

910
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,480
we're really talking about the
same thing.

911
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,880
These are the laws that are
inherent in the universe, that

912
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,000
are above us, that God himself
governs by.

913
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,120
And the founders having
recognized that, and them also

914
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,440
having recognized ancient
philosophers who saw the same

915
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,440
thing.
They quote Cicero, for example,

916
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:58,520
one of my favorites.
And yeah, but I mean, but the

917
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:02,320
Constitution isn't the just one.
Slight correction there.

918
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:07,120
Not that it's above the people.
It's actually our power in that

919
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,400
we in the Constitution and
through the Declaration of

920
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:14,760
Independence, we honor God and
and did our best in our human

921
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:20,240
frailty to put God's principles
into the law of the

922
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,200
Constitution.
And the Constitution is the law

923
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:27,480
that people in the government
must follow, but it doesn't

924
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,680
govern the people themselves,
right?

925
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,960
It's us as the people giving the
rule book to the government.

926
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:39,240
And, and so like the hierarchy
goes, God gave us rights and God

927
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:43,000
created law, and then we
attempted to put that into paper

928
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,040
to control our government so
that they obey God's laws.

929
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,960
So it's just a just a few layers
there that I think adds a lot of

930
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:54,360
insight and value.
Oh, I, I completely agree with

931
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,840
you, Shahzad.
Maybe what I should clarify is

932
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,760
when I, when I say the
Constitution is above the

933
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,560
people, what I mean is it's
above populism, right?

934
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:07,800
And so even if the majority of
Americans say we want the

935
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:13,480
government to steal from those
people and give to us, even if

936
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,400
that's the popular opinion, not
the elitist opinion, but the

937
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,520
popular opinion, yeah, I got the
government.

938
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:22,120
Yeah, the peoples, they're still
bound under that Constitution.

939
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,160
That's not allowed because the
Constitution is God's law.

940
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,560
Essentially it is above.
That's why people and the

941
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,800
rulers.
Referendums like you're, that's

942
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,360
the people, that's the popular.
Yeah, exactly.

943
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:37,280
Vote against the Constitution.
They are also are bound.

944
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,280
If the people are legislating,
they're bound within the same

945
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,240
rules that the legislators have
to legislate by.

946
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,040
Yeah, OK.
Exactly.

947
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,640
So the rulers law is not good,
but people's law can potentially

948
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,160
be bad as well.
And the founders didn't see this

949
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,840
as much as I think maybe we're
seeing it now, our current

950
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,960
populist administration.
But there's some flaws with

951
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,480
populism as well, right?
When they say people's law, they

952
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:05,680
didn't mean democracy though, so
that wasn't what they meant.

953
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:09,280
People's law means we the
people, our ancestors wrote down

954
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,880
the law in the Constitution, and
that's our law.

955
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,040
It came from the people, even
though under our authority from

956
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:18,440
God to write it.
So I don't think they meant

957
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,680
that.
And I, I would, I, I don't think

958
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:24,200
Skousen meant that.
But if, if he did, then yes, he

959
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,560
would definitely be be off.
But but the communist side of

960
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:31,480
things tends to say, you know,
we the people, but they mean

961
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:35,520
that in a mob rule kind of way,
which is incorrect, right?

962
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:40,280
Other than we, the We the People
wrote the law, the Constitution

963
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:45,320
as we penned it.
Right, right.

964
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,400
Well, I guess I'll just say I
see value in a certain degree of

965
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,400
natural aristocracy.
I think there's value to that.

966
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,880
Otherwise you end up with and
not defend anyone but, you know,

967
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:58,920
Flat Earth science.
But I also believe there's value

968
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:03,320
in populism to a degree, but it
can be also taken too far.

969
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,960
And so, you know, the rule of
the, the, the ruler's law, the

970
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:12,840
people's law, I think both of
those are, are inherently flawed

971
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,040
premises is what we really need
to be is the law of truth or

972
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:19,680
God's law or natural law.
And that should be above the

973
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:23,640
people and the elite and the
rulers and the government.

974
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:39,720
Taylor had a great comment here.
He said the French Revolution

975
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:43,760
equaled ultimate people's law.
Totally different results than

976
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:49,120
the American Revolution.
And I think that is that cannot

977
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:53,120
be just glossed over.
I think that is hugely

978
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,240
important.
Before I go on to say any more

979
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,800
about this, I want to thank
Justin and Shahzad for for what

980
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:00,840
they had to say.
I really kind of helps things

981
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:02,440
come into focus here a little
bit.

982
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:07,840
The French Revolution goes off
the rails and interestingly

983
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:12,640
enough, there was those who who
kind of helped foment that

984
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:16,960
revolution in France, used the
American Revolution as an

985
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:24,840
example, but 1 ended up didn't
stop until they had another

986
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:28,680
emperor, essentially the other
the American Revolution.

987
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:32,680
It stops when it says it has
reached its end goal.

988
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,560
I want to say this as I've
studied history and I'm willing

989
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:43,840
to be, you know, wrong.
With the exception of a just a

990
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:48,440
very few other places, America
seems to be the exception to the

991
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:52,280
rule.
Usually when revolution starts

992
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:55,600
and blood starts running in the
streets, it doesn't stop until a

993
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,760
strong man comes up and grabs
power.

994
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:00,920
The American Revolution was
different, and I think the

995
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:05,520
difference is, is that we can
see that it was rooted in God.

996
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:11,120
Quite frankly, when the French
Revolution happened, there was

997
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:16,880
great pains taken at not only
dismantling the monarchy and the

998
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:22,240
aristocracy, but also the
religious institutions of its

999
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,640
day.
You had things like rioters

1000
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:30,920
going in and smearing human
feces on on the altar at the the

1001
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:35,120
Cathedral of Notre Dame.
Many of these revolutions tend

1002
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:44,760
to follow a far more a far
darker path, and that tends to

1003
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:49,480
tends to make it go dark quite a
bit.

1004
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,680
Looks like Taylor has one more
thing here.

1005
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:57,880
The American Revolution is the
only revolution in history that

1006
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,280
was a revolution of the
aristocracy, not the common.

1007
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:05,840
Interesting.
Taylor, you want to elaborate a

1008
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:09,840
little bit on that?
Sure.

1009
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:14,600
You know, when it's when there's
so much oppression and there's

1010
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:18,479
so much like the common people
have nothing to lose, right?

1011
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:20,880
They're living in a hell on
earth.

1012
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:25,880
And so might as well try to take
out some of these, you know,

1013
01:08:26,399 --> 01:08:28,800
people that are oppressing them
along with them.

1014
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:32,279
And so it's an act of
desperation and it's not

1015
01:08:32,279 --> 01:08:36,520
generally guided by principles.
It's it's just more of a

1016
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:40,040
vengeance motivated type of an
effort.

1017
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:45,359
The American Revolution is, I
think I, I, I've read this, I

1018
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:49,240
can't, I am not an expert on all
of history of the world, but it,

1019
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:52,800
but it, I can't think of any
other reasons why it wouldn't be

1020
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:54,479
right.
But yeah, I think the American

1021
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,720
Revolution is the only one, only
time that a revolution was

1022
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:01,160
carried out by the aristocracy.
These were men of means.

1023
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,520
These were men of power and
influence and wealth.

1024
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:09,200
And that's why their willingness
to put it all on the altar,

1025
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:13,200
essentially and and pledge their
lives, their sacred honor, and

1026
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:18,000
their property for this cause
makes it.

1027
01:09:18,399 --> 01:09:21,439
So.
Different so it it just stands

1028
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:26,040
out as being singular in America
in in the world's history this

1029
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:31,000
American Revolution and because
of that natural aristocracy.

1030
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:36,439
These were intelligent men, men
of means and and and honor and

1031
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:40,880
integrity beyond the just the
average human right.

1032
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:49,800
That's I think what God prepared
to be able to make this the

1033
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,080
light on the hill essentially,
right?

1034
01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:57,400
And that's why it set the table
for this 5000 year leap, the

1035
01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:00,120
title of the book.
Anyway, just just some thoughts.

1036
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:02,920
Good stuff.
Thank you.

1037
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:05,160
James.
I saw you had your hand up.

1038
01:10:10,730 --> 01:10:13,530
Can you hear me?
Yep, I can hear you now.

1039
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,320
Sorry, so I was a little late to
the party.

1040
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:22,280
Sorry.
So listening, listening to like

1041
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:26,720
what's been said, I think the
biggest thing is balance.

1042
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,840
That's that's why I like one of
those images or something that

1043
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:33,640
they had on that scale, people's
law versus rulers law.

1044
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:38,600
It's, it's, it's about balance.
And yes, in a perfect utopia, we

1045
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:43,080
would all live, you know, this,
this wonderful existence if, if

1046
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,640
it was a certain way.
But I think that's God wants us

1047
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:51,320
to strive to, to balance these
two things because there has to

1048
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:55,440
be a government, but there has
to be a people to govern.

1049
01:10:55,760 --> 01:11:02,160
You know, I think Mosiah 29
covers that pretty well when the

1050
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:06,440
transition from Mosiah becoming,
you know, a king and turning

1051
01:11:06,440 --> 01:11:09,440
that kingship over to the
judges.

1052
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,360
There was mention of like an
executive order or something

1053
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:17,360
like that when I, I remember
right.

1054
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:19,360
Sorry, I'm not trying to rehash
old stuff.

1055
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:25,960
But even executive orders, like
yes, that's, that wasn't written

1056
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:27,920
into law.
But what if the executive order,

1057
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,320
just to play the devil's
advocate, what if the executive

1058
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:34,640
order overrode something that
was unlawful in the 1st place?

1059
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:38,640
Is it then unlawful because it
you?

1060
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,640
Does that make sense?
Oh, I I get what you're.

1061
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,800
Yeah, I get what you're.
Saying, yeah, so in, in the the

1062
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:51,760
heavy-handed and the thing it
is, it's about balance, you

1063
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:57,000
know, and as far as the
executive office, just because

1064
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,760
this is on like recording, I'm
not going to go into too much

1065
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:05,600
detail, but the, there is
there's a lot of I, I had a, a

1066
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:11,440
mentor of mine that described
the difference between anarchy

1067
01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:14,240
and chaos.
And he called the, the line that

1068
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:18,520
thin blue line, right?
And he said, you know what that

1069
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,160
is?
And he said that that is the

1070
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,600
difference between anarchy and
chaos.

1071
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,680
And it's a balance.
You have to be, you know,

1072
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:29,400
there's, there's days that
people are going to, you know,

1073
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,920
want you to be a bully for them
and on their behalf.

1074
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:36,800
And you can't do that, right?
We have to govern ourselves by

1075
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:38,920
principle.
And that's what we have to act

1076
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:42,400
on.
There are decent people in the

1077
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:47,400
world that do that.
And, and I think the balance is

1078
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:51,080
the most important thing, you
know, because there is, there's

1079
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:55,040
unjust laws and there's, you
know, constitutional law,

1080
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:59,960
there's statutory law, there's
case laws, There's all kinds of

1081
01:12:59,960 --> 01:13:04,760
different laws.
But DNC 98 covers, you know, our

1082
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:09,000
adherence to those things pretty
well and and and God even allows

1083
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:14,480
us to and mend their mistakes.
In DNC 74.

1084
01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:18,880
He tells, you know, basically
about Paul making this thing,

1085
01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:22,040
you know, about circumcision or
or not, it was about

1086
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,760
circumcision, but it was about,
you know, the the marrying of

1087
01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:27,880
non believers to believers.
And he kind of made this

1088
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:31,240
arbitrary law.
And God comes in and DNC 74 and

1089
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:34,800
makes a correction and says,
well, that was that was from my

1090
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:36,400
servant Paul.
That wasn't from me.

1091
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:39,560
And then I think if I remember,
I somebody could probably

1092
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:45,960
correct me.
But when Brigham Young was dead,

1093
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:49,680
after he had passed away in a
revelation given to John Taylor

1094
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:54,200
or the council or something at
that time that they'd kept

1095
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,240
praying.
And then basically the answer

1096
01:13:56,240 --> 01:14:00,480
was it was pleasing to him that
you guys, you men come together

1097
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:04,880
and make a reasonable decision.
And so when we're waiting for,

1098
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,960
you know, the grand, you know,
arbiter or somebody to come in

1099
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:14,800
and make these decisions for us,
what he wants is us to learn

1100
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:19,560
these principles and apply them
and have them balanced man and

1101
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:23,640
woman families, our lives.
And that's where you begin is,

1102
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:25,880
is in your house and that it
spreads out.

1103
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:31,680
That's how you At least that's
my take on it. 100% and next

1104
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:33,080
week we'll get into some of
that.

1105
01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:35,280
Yeah.
Thanks.

1106
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:35,960
Thanks.
James.

1107
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:37,560
Is there?
Is there anything else there you

1108
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:39,400
wanted to mention?
Nope.

1109
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,720
I'll put a if you don't mind,
I'll put a reference to a book

1110
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:46,400
in the chat for Justin based on
what he said about the FDAI

1111
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,080
think you'll really like it.
Sounds great.

1112
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:53,040
I want to go to some comments
here that's been made and then

1113
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:55,000
looks like Justin raised his
hand.

1114
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:59,280
He said government should serve
the people, but law should be

1115
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:03,400
the domain of God and truth.
Maybe I don't disagree with

1116
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:06,520
scousing in principle, but I do
in language because today we

1117
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:11,640
live under this rulers law and
too many people think that the

1118
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:16,960
solution to populism, and I
don't think that is a solution.

1119
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:22,960
And then Shahzad said an
executive order overriding a bad

1120
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,800
unconstitutional law would be
appropriate.

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01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:29,600
It would be someone in the
executive branch nullifying an

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01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,640
unconstitutional act.
Look, I'll be honest with you.

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01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,760
If there was a guy that we could
count on that would go in there

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01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:39,680
and exit, you know, execute an
executive order to overturn

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01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:43,520
every unconstitutional law.
And then right after that, say,

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01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:49,040
you know, make a law that there
are no more, you know, executive

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01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:53,400
executive orders.
I would be totally down for

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01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:56,280
that.
And Taylor said Captain Maro and

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01:15:56,280 --> 01:16:00,440
I wasn't following the law when
he threatened to overthrow

1130
01:16:01,480 --> 01:16:05,960
Farrah on lol, no, that's true.
Captain Maro and I, he was just

1131
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:09,720
coming.
And look, I want to say this,

1132
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:16,920
but I want to be real careful.
Sometimes that is necessary, but

1133
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:22,640
I don't think it is now because
I don't want to be that guy and

1134
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:26,240
none of us want to be that that
guy calling for for a violent

1135
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,960
revolution until every other
option has been exhausted.

1136
01:16:31,480 --> 01:16:35,280
But I it is a true principle,
Taylor, at some point that those

1137
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:38,280
things do kind of need need to
happen.

1138
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:44,960
Justin, go ahead, man.
Yeah, I just want to reiterate,

1139
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,920
I, I agree with what James was
just saying there about the need

1140
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:50,040
for balance.
And that's kind of where I was

1141
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:54,320
trying to get at because on the
one hand, I like, I with like

1142
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:57,320
with the FDA for example, I
already mentioned, right, we

1143
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:02,280
see, I, I see an abuse of, of
essentially an, an unelected

1144
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:07,360
executive institutions power.
But on the other hand, and that

1145
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:10,040
makes me think, man, the people
should be in charge, right?

1146
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:14,160
But then with the release of the
Epstein files and like, I look,

1147
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:16,160
I'm not saying there's not some
bad stuff in there.

1148
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:18,160
There are absolutely some really
bad stuff in there that

1149
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:22,400
implicates some people.
Nevertheless, though, some of

1150
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:26,960
the Epstein files is literally
just random tips that people

1151
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:31,040
called into the FBI.
And some of these random tips

1152
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:35,200
had incredibly outrageous,
unsubstantiated claims,

1153
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,720
incredible claims.
And this is just some of you

1154
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:41,280
called into the FBI and, and
made this statement.

1155
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:44,720
And I see some people, some of
the talking heads or some of

1156
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:50,760
these influencers are riling
people up as if what some random

1157
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:54,640
person called into the FBI to
claim was gospel truth.

1158
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:58,080
And they're like, ah, well,
look, this person says that

1159
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:00,240
Trump did this.
And this person saying that

1160
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,000
Epstein did this, people are
saying that Bill Gates did this.

1161
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:07,840
And, well, if there's evidence
for that, and then I think that

1162
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:09,200
definitely should be
investigated.

1163
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:12,320
But some of these claims that
came out in the Epstein files

1164
01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:18,320
are completely unsubstantiated.
And unfortunately, today, people

1165
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:22,760
don't seem to have enough common
sense to recognize that that's

1166
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:25,120
what that is.
That's just a random person's

1167
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:28,560
claim.
That's not an FBI evidence that

1168
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,000
that actually happened.
There's no evidence that that

1169
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:35,480
happened beyond this person's
anonymous testimony.

1170
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:39,960
And so that's kind of what I
mean by I can see things going

1171
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:41,280
too far there.
You know, I see that.

1172
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,120
And I'm like, man, we need
experts in charge.

1173
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,800
We need, we need the, the rulers
in charge.

1174
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:47,760
But then you see the rulers in
charge and you think, man, we

1175
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,400
need the people in charge.
And that's the, that's the bit

1176
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:54,280
of the, the, the balance that I
find ourselves desperately

1177
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:56,800
needing.
And to me, that balance is

1178
01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:02,240
constitutional law where God
sets the standard and the

1179
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:06,640
people, the populace and the
rulers abide by that standard.

1180
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:10,400
And unfortunately, you know, I,
I can't remember who said it,

1181
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,000
but one of the quotes was
basically that, you know, from

1182
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,920
the founders was that in order
for this government to work, it

1183
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:20,800
depends on a moral people, a
moral and religious people.

1184
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:25,640
And I don't think we have that
today anymore, unfortunately, at

1185
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:29,200
least in a large majority.
And that's a bad.

1186
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:31,560
That's like a lose, lose
situation, right?

1187
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,840
Because if the rulers are in
charge, it's going to be bad.

1188
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,200
But if the people are in charge,
I'm afraid that's not going to

1189
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:42,520
be much better in the current
state of things.

1190
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:50,640
Absolutely.
All right, so I want to say

1191
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:54,040
this, if anyone has anything
else they'd like to say on this,

1192
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:57,600
we I'm willing to stay here.
I know everyone else is.

1193
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,880
But I do think we're going to
wrap up this week right here.

1194
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:05,600
We're already pushing time and I
don't want to dive into the next

1195
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:09,360
section, which is people's law,
which goes into some stuff that

1196
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:13,720
was taken from the Anglo Saxons
as well as as the Hebrew

1197
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:19,000
Scriptures that that become very
important going forward.

1198
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:24,720
But does anyone have anything
else they want to want to talk

1199
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,760
on, on anything that we've
covered tonight or other

1200
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:31,320
insights you've gained from
reading up to this point?

1201
01:20:41,630 --> 01:20:42,790
All right.
Well, perfect.

1202
01:20:43,150 --> 01:20:45,990
We'll wrap up there next week.
We'll we'll move into the second

1203
01:20:46,030 --> 01:20:49,550
part of this one and then we
should be, should be right back

1204
01:20:49,550 --> 01:20:52,550
on track.
So let's see.

1205
01:20:57,720 --> 01:20:59,560
Josh, can I get you to give us a
closing prayer?

1206
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:10,920
Ericsson Yeah, no problem.
Our Father in Heaven, we come to

1207
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:13,640
you close to this meeting,
grateful to have been here and

1208
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:18,840
to participate and to edify one
another and to learn about these

1209
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:28,040
vital principles of law and how
they apply to us.

1210
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:33,640
And we're so grateful to live in
a time when we have been the

1211
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:37,320
beneficiaries of the
implementation of these things.

1212
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,560
We pray for your Spirit to go
with us as we part our separate

1213
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,520
ways Until we meet again next
week.

1214
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:48,520
We're grateful to Dave for
organizing and hosting this

1215
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:53,600
these series of lessons and
discussions.

1216
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:57,240
Pray that you bless him and his
family and the rest of us as

1217
01:21:57,240 --> 01:22:05,640
well bless our homes and our
our, our wives and children and

1218
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:10,560
husbands and these things we
pray in the name of our Savior

1219
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:17,840
Jesus Christ, Amen, Amen, Amen.
Thanks everyone, thanks

1220
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:19,400
everyone.
Oh thank you.

1221
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:21,760
I appreciate everyone's
participation makes it go

1222
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:25,480
really, really well.
So awesome.

1223
01:22:25,480 --> 01:22:27,160
All right, we'll see everybody
next week.