Episode #219: The Armour of God Series PT 1-Girting Ourselves With Truth W/Joshua Winchell

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Mr. Winchell, every time I hear
your last name, I think of

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Winchell's Donuts.
Are they even still around?

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I'll tell you a story.
I'll tell you one story about

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me.
When I lived in, it was Sandy,

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UT I was living in, there was a
Winchell's Donuts down the

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street and I had some fun.
I pulled out my Alaskan driver's

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license, went in there and there
was there was some young kids

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working there too.
I pulled it out.

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I showed my my driver's license
to him.

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I said I'm from quality control,
from Winchell's corporate.

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I go, my name's Josh.
My name is, you know, it's Corey

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Winchell.
I was born Corey Winchell.

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It's Corey Winchell.
And I need to, I need to inspect

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this place and possibly, you
know, taste some of these

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doughnuts.
And they walked me in the back

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and then they were like, wait a
minute.

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And I was like, yeah, yeah, he
caught me.

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I'm just joking around.
Let me buy 6 doughnuts.

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So I don't know that they're
around anymore.

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They were at one time.
I think Duncan's put him out of

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business, so I don't know.
You know, I remember when I was

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living in, in, in Denver with,
with my folks, I remember they

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had a bunch of Winchell's Donuts
there and they were good.

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I mean, they weren't bad at all.
Now, now that you told me that

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trick, since you're a, a former
attorney, I assume there's no

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problem with me at all just
walking in the back with of, of

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a Krispy Kreme there, right?
You're, you're, you're telling

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me that's perfectly legal?
I told them I wasn't.

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I actually came clean.
I wanted to.

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Yeah, it was, it was something I
I was like, let's do this, man.

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Let's do.
Because I was called Donut.

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I was the captain of my football
team, state football and my

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whole name.
They called me Donut my whole

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life.
And I was like, can't you call

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me Winch?
Can't you call me something else

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other than Donut?
And yeah, I've, I've gotten that

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all my life.
I haven't heard that actually in

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about 30 years.
So that, that's my background.

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I didn't tell.
Her been fine with with winch.

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I mean, that sounds so close to
winch.

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You don't.
I want that Well.

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Yeah, they, they they never
called me.

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I don't know.
I was just like, Donut for real.

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They're like, come here.
But they, they didn't take it

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too far.
Juno has no Winchell's Donuts,

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so only a few of them knew about
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So dude.
Yeah, man, I'm, I'm from Alaska.

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In fact, I was five years old
when McDonald's hit Juno, the

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first McDonald's.
And I remember asking my mom and

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dad because I heard them talking
about it, what it was.

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And they said, well, it's a
place where you can go eat

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hamburgers.
And I'm like, well, let you know

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we make hamburgers at home.
And then I remember we drove by

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like mom and dad really, really
wanted a Big Mac, I guess.

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But I remember sitting in line
for hours, dude, waiting to get

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through the drive through, and
people were lined up on foot out

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of the store.
I mean, it was a big deal back

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then.
So what, let me ask you this.

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We're going to reminisce here
for just a little bit more.

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In Juno, there was a hotel
called the Prospector that used

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to serve buffets.
Is that still there?

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Interestingly enough, the sister
to the mother of my children,

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Jessica, we're all very tight,
you know, even though my my

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wife's mainstream and I'm this
we I've followed the 1132 and

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we've stayed very close friends.
She is the manager there name's

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Jessica.
It's called the Ramada now, but

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it's still the prospector to
everybody that ever knows it.

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That big sign that you're
talking about because everybody

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it is now over.
It is over right next to a place

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and everybody can see it by the
side of the road.

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And I was like, I should buy
that.

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I should buy that prospector
sign 'cause it's like the Alaska

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airline sign.
You know, you got that really

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notable picture of that, of
that.

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I think he's Aleut or he could
be a Anubic via the native.

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And then you've also got the
prospector sign, which is the

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sourdough I'll.
Tell you what, when I was a kid

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living there with my my folks,
as you and I have talked on the

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Prospector Hotel, there used to
be a picture of an old weathered

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prospector.
And I remember Sunday mornings

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we would go and have breakfast
there at the buffet.

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And I used to call it the old
man because I didn't know what a

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prospector was or how to
pronounce prospector probably.

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And so we always used to just
call it the old man's.

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But we'd go in there and we'd
have, we'd have dinner or excuse

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me, breakfast once a week at the
at the breakfast buffet.

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It wasn't the, yeah, the whole
they, they had a light called

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the Prospector and they had this
huge old letter, like Old West

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lettering called the Prospector
Hotel.

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And it was called the Diggins
Room back then.

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And it was a mining motif.
But back when you were there at

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5 or 6, you'd walk in there and
you'd see these old like hats

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and you'd have like a little
dangling light from the 1930s.

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It's called Diggins now, it's
called TK Mcguire's and it's the

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Ramada, but same room.
I grew up in it every what is

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it?
Every Easter Grandma who was

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not, she was not religious
either.

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She's actually religious, but
not she wouldn't go to church.

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She would take us down every
Easter and stuff like that and

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we'd do the buffet stuff.
I go there actually probably

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once a month.
I know, I know everybody there

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so.
Oh man, that's where I developed

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my utter love for biscuits and
gravy.

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They had killer biscuits and
gravy.

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I've been the World Round and
Mike's Place in Douglas, which

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is closed now, but Mike's Place
in Douglas, which is a island

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right next to our city, like 2
miles, it's the same thing as

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our city.
And the prospector made the best

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roast beef.
And I've been all over.

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I've been to France, I've been
to Europe, I've been all the

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best roast beef I've ever had in
my life.

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So I mean, it is good food.
I mean, it's decent food.

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It's the people go there for the
fish when they come up to

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Alaska.
But anyway, so totally.

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Well, man, I'm, I'm glad you're
here and we're going to talk,

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start talking about the armor of
God, right?

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This is the first one in the
series.

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And look, I've had you on before
with Drew when we were talking

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about the restored scriptures,
but we didn't get a lot of time

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to talk about you.
And I wanted to get get, get us

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off on the right foot here by by
having you talk a little bit

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about yourself.
Tell us how you got here.

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Kind of give us your Mormon
credentials.

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OK, to give you a background,
I'm, I'm what you would.

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I'll tell you what I call
myself.

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Let me give you a background as
to what I've done.

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I my studies.
How do I do this?

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I've been LDS my whole life.
I've been a what you call a

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fundamentalist for at least 16
years.

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At least it's closer.
It's pushing 18 now.

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I don't have a community here in
Juneau that's that is conducive

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to it.
So I ended up attending my the,

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the church.
And so if you would have come

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into, say, Mormon doctrine class
and the topics turn to either

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Adam or other things, you
sitting in there would know

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exactly what I was saying, but
they would slowly get it that I

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would say we've we've been to
the temple and as you know, when

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we go to the temple, we're
learning the things of the Lord

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and the things of God and the
things of eternity.

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And he always seems to teach us
that, that Michael created the

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earth under the tutelage of
Elohim and Jehovah.

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And it appears that he really
wants us to emulate Michael.

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And then, you know, my eyes look
around the room.

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Nobody gets it.
But David's sitting in the room

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going winch.
You need to come down.

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You need to come down to Utah.
You really do, brother.

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And so it was like that for
about a decade.

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Little less.
I've got no acrimony per SE.

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I love these.
I've known in my whole life,

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this is this is my town.
I've been here off and on.

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Like I said, I've lived all over
the world.

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I've lived in the Southwest,
I've made it through.

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I didn't live in Missouri, but
I've been there a few times.

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So that's.
Called the great state of

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Missouri.
Missouri, yeah, I do use the a

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because I know a lot of people
there.

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I don't use the I.
So it's Missouri to me.

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And and I've got friends, I've
had friends there in in KC, you

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know, and and the rest KC was my
team for for a lot of years.

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My football coach was alignment
for the Kansas City Chiefs back

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in the early 70s.
And so anyway, so I think what

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you're but to give you a
background, I'm true blue

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through and through.
I my conversion story came

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through a series of testimony
builders at research and some

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private, just private stuff.
I don't I don't get into this

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online because much, but IA
series of dreams and a series of

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we'll just say personal
reflections.

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You, you might call them like
intimate personal revelations

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that we really have to get back
to the religion that was

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restored because we have a, we
have a leader, a dispensation

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leader.
And they only come around once

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every little while.
And I really started coming back

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to the knowledge of it.
So I asked a lot of questions.

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I did a lot of things that was
done very privately for myself.

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But after a few years, I just
came out and said I need to find

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people that understand me.
And I found them and you're one

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of them.
So I can give you my background

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actually is law.
I was a lawyer for I think 11

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years.
I still AM.

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I mean, I've got my licenses.
I just pay them up at I'm

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licensed in three states, pay
them up and I'm back in the

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seat.
The Lord actually, I feel it was

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very personal, said you need to
repent of this and forsake this

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profession.
And if you're going to do it,

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you need to do it either pro
bono and you need to do it for

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the elderly, you know, maybe
like some probates and some

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wills or for bankruptcy to help
people get out of crushing debt.

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But you don't need to be a part
of this anymore.

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And that was debilitating for
me.

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I, I did love the practice.
I was AI was a corporate

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counsel, business counsel.
I practiced general law, but it

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was, it was pretty clear pretty
pretty much time.

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So I went black back to blue
collar work and some other

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private businesses.
My background prior to that, I

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was I studied actually down
there in Cedar City at SUUI,

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studied political science and I
minored in history.

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And the interesting thing with
that is my my grades didn't

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suffer, but I got Magna cum
laude.

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It wasn't summa.
I got Magna in the areas of my

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interest, which was political
science and history.

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And I loved history so much.
I was going to become a

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historian, but I started looking
around about the time of oh

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gosh, what's his name?
Oh, very, very, very famous

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church historian.
The the most hue nibly Hugh

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Nibley.
I looked at Hugh Nibley's works

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and realized he was so
intelligent, so amazingly

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intelligent.
But I would look at some of

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these historians, bear their
testimony and they'd stand up

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and start arguing about what
this doctor thought or what this

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researcher thought or what that
archaeologist thought.

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And I felt that they started
losing a little bit, just a

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little bit of their testimony in
the rock or core doctrine.

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So I went to political science
and became a political

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historian.
I mean, if you would have known

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me back then, my big thing was
Polybius and Thucydides.

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I don't look like this, but I
was a geek man.

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Thucydides and Polybius, the the
history of the Peloponnesian War

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and the history of the Roman
Republic.

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I mean, if you, if you know
Linus from Peanuts, like put a

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bust of Beethoven on his piano
would have had a bust of

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Polybius like right there on my
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That's that's what I was like
back then.

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So.
All the chicks dig Dug.

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No, no.
No, no, no, no, no, man, They

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dug me.
They didn't dig that.

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You know what I did?
I'll tell you what I did.

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I put the quote of Patrick Henry
on my phone message machine.

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I put the.
I put the.

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I quoted Patrick Henry's fiery
rhetorical Give me liberty.

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Liberty or give?
Me get.

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The whole thing I can quote, I'm
not going to do it for you, but

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I can quote it.
I stuck that on my phone machine

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and, and the only ladies that
ever stuck around were the ones

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that could could handle that.
And there were a couple.

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I mean, you got to hand it to
him.

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That was me back then, David.
So I wanted you to see who I was

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so that you could see where I've
come from and then where I am

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today.
I'm of what you would call a

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political historian.
I don't, I don't believe there's

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a science to it.
I believe it's political

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history.
And you've got maxims that that

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apply in political history to
everything.

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So you're going to see me
approach that this way tonight.

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But you're going to see it
testimonial.

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You're going to see faith rather
than this doctor or that

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researcher or that
archaeologist.

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So anyway, that's a background
of me, man.

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I mean, I'm a Mormon, true blue
through and through.

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I'm a fundamentalist.
I'm a Musserite is what you guys

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call.
I have my priesthood through

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Joseph Musser and I'm an
independent.

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And I don't know what else to
tell you, man.

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I just feel like I've, I've,
I've spilled a lot of my history

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in the last five minutes, more
than you probably knew.

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Oh, it's good.
It's good.

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Look, there are bad attorneys
for sure, but there's also some

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good ones too.
And shout out to Randall

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Edwards, he's one of the good
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And so like, I don't necessarily
subscribe to the all attorneys

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are bad thing, right?
I think attorneys are needed.

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I, I think the average layperson
is going to have a hard time

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navigating the entirety of known
history of jurisprudence and

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starry decisis in America.
And so I, I do think that

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they're absolutely needed and,
and there are definitely some

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good ones out there.
So at what point, Josh, did you

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start realizing?
Because, because here's the

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thing, when you start talking
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there's like stages to it,
right?

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It doesn't just happen overnight
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So, so there's definitely stages
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At what point were you, like,
all of a sudden like, oh man, I

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think I'm a fundamentalist.
What happened?

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It's actually a good story.
I was 19, mainstream preparing

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for my mission and I went in to
BYU, Idaho back then was called

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Rick's.
And I spoke to a gentleman that

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I knew from childhood and I said
I'm having issues understanding

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the notion of plural marriage.
And the problem really wasn't

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doctrinal for me.
It was cultural because I was

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raised, I'm raised in a in a
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It's really odd because people,
even Protestants, even non

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religious, they'll practice
their variants of plural

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marriage.
They just aren't up to the moral

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standard that say others.
Maybe, and I'm not trying to be

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arrogant about this, but we have
established mores and rules and

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morals about it.
They'll do it, but they won't

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call it that and they'll excuse
it in so many different ways.

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And so I was having problems
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I was saying, why do we do this?
What's the real deal behind

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this?
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discussion, a little bit of a
religious knock down drag out.

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And he just said, at some point
or another, you know, you have

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to have faith that that Joseph
Smith and these men knew what

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they were doing and that plural
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And this was coming from a
church theologian in the

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educational CES system that I
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And he was not doing
apologetics.

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He was telling me straight up,
if you're going to understand

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it, you got to have faith in it.
And it took me about two, two or

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three months, about half now I
would say 8 months into my

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mission.
And I remember the calming

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influence I felt.
I, I just, it was, you don't

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have the faith of the
wherewithal right now, but when

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you do, this is the law of
heaven.

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And I, I, I took that and I
started getting into Mormon

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doctrine through Mcconkey.
I went into obviously Joseph

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Smith's teachings, Brigham
Young's and the rest of it.

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Never got deeply involved in the
in the Journal of Discourses

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until the last few years.
But I taught myself through the

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teachings and all I could get
from Joseph Smith and I just

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said I'm going to be a dry,
plural celestial marriage

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advocate.
I'm going to be dry about this,

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but I'm going to believe in
this.

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I'm going to, I'm going to do
it.

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I'm not going to apologize for
it ever again.

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I'm not going to feel bad or
ashamed of it again.

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And if somebody brings it up,
I'm not going to be belligerent,

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but I'm going to be the one at
the church saying, why do we

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have this problem where
everybody looks at the floor

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when this subject's brought up?
And then I so I was, I was the

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one not advocating it.
I was the one saying shame on

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the other people for not letting
us believe in practice.

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And I went through that stage
for about 10 years without being

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a severe advocate.
The issue would only come up

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maybe once or twice a year.
And then from there I realized

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that there was the Adam Adam God
doctrine.

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And that that's I'd say that's
the early 2000s when I realized

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that I'd been going to a temple
repeatedly and been being shown

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exaltation in its very framework
hundreds and hundreds and

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hundreds of times that that was
the the Lord was saying, are you

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clean?
Have you have you lived these

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five principles?
Do you believe in the law of

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Elohim?
Do you believe in the law of the

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Lord?
Do you believe in the other all

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the other laws.
OK, if you do, let me show you

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something.
Let me show you Adam.

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Let me show you a man named
Jehovah and Elohim.

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And then I just after 60-70
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I just looked at that and I
said, you and all of you, you

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must place yourself as Adam at
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Cause I've been told that
hundreds of times.

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And I just looked up and I said,
OK, I said, OK, I'm going to

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place myself as Adam at the
altar.

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What do you want me to do?
And then all of a sudden it came

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to me and all of the things.
And so I got it independently.

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I didn't get it through the
fundamentalists.

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I got it independent of that.
And for many years I thought I'd

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have to go do it on my own.
I thought of fundamentalist down

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in Utah and thereabouts, kind of
as LDS versions of the Amish,

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you know, I or the Mennonites.
I I'm not making fun because I

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know you guys so well.
I am one, but I was like, oh,

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they're kind of the Mennonites.
They're the Amish.

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And I'm going to go do this the
way Joseph did it.

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And after a few years, the
Lord's like, no, no, no, you

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don't hope these guys have got a
key in a line in and you guys

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need to go down.
You need to go down.

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And you met me a couple, two, 2
1/2, maybe three years.

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Oh, no, you would have met Me 2
1/2 years ago.

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And so I started.
So that was my my story is a

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little bit, it's not the classic
story.

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I did go through my brief Heber
J Grant's the devil time just

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like you do it.
You did you know you Heber J

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Grant.
Really.

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Did dude, I'm still there.
Yeah, well, I am too with the

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thing.
It's Wilford, I mean.

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I I have a soft spot for
Wilford.

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I think he was put in a
tremendously horrible position.

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I do think he chose wrong,
obviously, but for me Grant

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ultimately is where everything
goes off the rails and goes

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awry.
What happened with me is I am

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with you and if you look at my
posts online, I've been brutal,

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brutally honest.
Not brutal, but brutally honest

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about what what the Grand Tites
did to the church because they

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are, they are the literal
descendants of a Grand Tite, an

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apostasy of the Grand Tites.
But when you look at what he was

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doing in the 30s and 40s with
his kids, he was preaching the

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principal to his kids because
Truman Madsen used to used to

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get on tapes and talk about his
grandfather preaching the

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principal in 1932 to his uncle.
And I'm like, I'm like, what's

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going on here?
I thought he was the one back in

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1912 that was throwing that
wonderful apostle or 191113,

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that wonderful apostle, John W
Taylor, trying to throw him out

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of the out of the church after
they'd scooted him out of the 12

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apostles in O 6.
And so I started letting up a

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little bit, realizing that he's,
he's a bureaucrat, he's a

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Politico.
He's he's lost his shine.

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But he certainly doesn't
disbelieve in plural marriage.

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It's just not true.
Wolford Woodruff.

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That's true right, That is
correct.

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I get that he never lost his
testimony of the principal, but

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he's the last polygamist prophet
we have and is very hard on

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polygamists.
And the problem is is that when

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I look at grant it smacks of
rules for thee but not for me,

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and that's where he tends to
lose me a lot is kind of that

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hypocrisy.
Let.

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Me tell you I'm on your side.
Let me let's tag Team Heber for

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a second.
In 19 O 6, what they did was so

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because I've read, I've read the
I've read the notes on both his

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excommunication and what they
did when he left the the quorum.

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But in 19 O 6 by O four, they
started bringing monogamists on

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mass into the 12 by 1911 or 13,
whenever they excommunicated

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him, they brought the monogamist
and let them ask questions while

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Joseph F Smith was in the
background.

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He asked twice because I've read
the Ledger of his

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excommunication.
He asked to speak to the Prophet

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twice and the Prophet.
Not only did the Prophet not do

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it, Heber J Grant whispered into
the monogamist who were asking

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these questions.
They had no evidence.

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It was a it was a complete sham
show by monogamist who had taken

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over the high, high, high
priesthood.

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And we're running it pretty much
into mammonism.

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So I'm with you.
I am with you 100% that there's

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no doubt.
Here's the thing I have against

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against dear Wilfred Woodruff.
I agree with you up and until

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1898.
Until then, I would agree that

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he was placed in a bad place.
But if you read his his journal

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himself, the last three pages of
his journal, he went over to San

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Francisco.
He met with dozens and dozens

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and dozens of politicos for
statehood.

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He stayed at his lobbyist house.
The church was saying, no, he's

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over there.
He's he's doing a little bit of

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a respite because he's old.
No, he wasn't.

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He met with the Bohemian Club
and was invited on a two week

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camping trip.
What that means is that means

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the Bohemian Grove.
He was invited on a two week

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camping trip, then brought in
front of the entire Bohemian

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Club, met with their Hierophant,
their high priest, and had a

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lovely time.
He died five days later.

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This was always about statehood.
So he said if I ever do

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something that the Lord doesn't
agree with, it is not the

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program.
He will take my life and I say

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promise made, promise kept.
That guy was going to join in

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with the Western elite.
He was going to head up to the

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Bohemian Grove on a two week
camp out and then he was getting

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and he was meeting with those
guys.

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I know that this is going to be
electric for many people.

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For me, Brigham Young was placed
in such an awful situation, but

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he was a Samson shorn to me.
How dare.

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And then the church when he died
said he was over there on

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respite.
He was just, he was

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convalescing.
That's what they said publicly.

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He's over there.
He's not convalescing.

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He's politicking up for
statehood and the senators.

443
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,280
And then the very next month
when he comes, when you have

444
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,640
Lorenzo Snow asking the Lord,
Lorenzo Snow sees the Lord out

445
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,640
in the balustrade instead of the
holy of Holies.

446
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:55,440
Can I tell you my take, my take
and I, it's going to start a

447
00:23:55,440 --> 00:24:00,560
little bit of a fire, My take.
First, first thing we need to

448
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,520
do.
Let's qualify this.

449
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,160
OK, this is is this in the realm
of theory?

450
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,960
I have.
The evidence I have comes

451
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,400
indirectly and it is hearsay, so
I'll tell you that.

452
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,000
And it is my opinion.
It is not.

453
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,160
I'm very fair.
Remember my historical

454
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,120
background.
I will always tell you, yeah,

455
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:23,400
I'm not going to preach doctrine
when it's only me.

456
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,200
So sure, sure.
OK, so this is we have this

457
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,120
Pasha's theory on things.
We have it on good information

458
00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:37,400
that the granddaughter of
Lorenzo Snow was asked by a very

459
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:43,920
close we'll just say a contact
within my it was Ogden, but he

460
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,880
he spoke to the granddaughter
and said hey, you know that that

461
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,840
discussion with the Lord on the
right by the steps and not in

462
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,560
the holy of holies.
Did that have to do with what

463
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,640
happened with polygamy, plural
marriage?

464
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,560
Did the Lord say, I'm never
going to speak to you again

465
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,560
inside this holy of holies
because of plural marriage?

466
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,800
And Ogden said that she assented
to what he said.

467
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:08,640
Yeah.
I don't know if it was verbal,

468
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,240
nonverbal, a head nod or
whatever, but she said my

469
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,560
grandfather spoke to me.
And when he said just answer by

470
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,120
nod or not nod, Kevin's going to
be the one that knows the story

471
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:22,600
better.
I do believe that the Lord no

472
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,440
longer was in the holy of holies
because of the way that ended

473
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,440
and specifically because Wilfred
Woodruff went to San Francisco

474
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:30,880
and bent the knee and kissed the
ring.

475
00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:35,560
I really believe that, brother.
I believe that at that point the

476
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:40,000
Lord said, I can speak to you
right here and right here by the

477
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,720
by the stairs.
That suits me just fine.

478
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,960
I love you, Lorenzo.
Do this.

479
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,040
There's tithing to do other
types of things to do.

480
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,840
We're not going to discuss
anything in that holy of holies

481
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,720
until we get this thing right
again, until we go back and get

482
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,120
it right.
That's my personal belief.

483
00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:58,320
So am IA fundamentalist?
I tend to think so.

484
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:05,560
I, I, I take exception to both
Heber and Heber, J Grant and

485
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,880
Wilfred at the end.
But I know what you're saying.

486
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,840
I've read his revelations of
1880.

487
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,080
Tremendous when he was down
there in Arizona and being told

488
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,640
to never give up plural
marriage.

489
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,560
You know, all of that stuff.
Just tremendous man.

490
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,160
He was a tremendous man, but he
was a Samson shorn.

491
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,160
He went to San Francisco and he
did those things.

492
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,960
David, I'll get you or you can
get online and go read the

493
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,800
Diaries.
It'll break your heart, it'll

494
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,800
break your heart in two because
when you say what is a two week

495
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,920
vacation with the Bohemian Club
and then and then you met with

496
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,600
them later, He didn't go on
vacation.

497
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,840
He met with them and he sat
right next to their leading

498
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,560
hierophant.
This guy had participated in

499
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,600
what's called the crematorium of
care.

500
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,440
That's where they, they
basically engage in a

501
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,400
crematorium.
So it's what it's what the

502
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,680
Bohemian Grove is what everybody
gets scared about.

503
00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:56,000
He had already participated in a
couple, half a dozen of those,

504
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,280
this person that he's sitting
next to and getting chummy with.

505
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,440
And anyway, I, I don't, I don't
want to start a fire.

506
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,640
I'm just saying Wilfred Woodruff
was a great man, but he was a

507
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,480
Samson and a Samson shorn.
And that's how I thought all.

508
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,000
Right.
So that kind of covers how you

509
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,040
got here.
And so now you're just up there

510
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,960
in Alaska, working, doing your
thing.

511
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,760
I I have, yeah, I have
investments up here.

512
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,120
I've got my kids up here, you
know, we're going to be online.

513
00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:27,160
I've I've got, I've got
children.

514
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,960
Two of them are of age.
They're they're of majority age.

515
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,160
I'm, I'm raising two more.
I have a close decent

516
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:39,720
relationship with their mother.
We married as mainstream and I'm

517
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,320
you, you know where that lies.
We we have a very decent

518
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,560
relationship, but I am I am who
I am and and you know what I

519
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,120
mean by that.
So and so I'm here.

520
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,000
I'm here in Juneau.
My background, like I said, is

521
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,640
political history.
And then I went and took a law

522
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:59,120
degree at Gonzaga and practiced
law for a good eleven years.

523
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,400
Hung up the hung up the gloves.
You talk to me about good

524
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,360
lawyers.
I tend to agree with you.

525
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:06,880
Let me give you a couple of
stories.

526
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,880
My son there at the end when I
was doing a couple of things.

527
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,680
This was up here in Juneau, my
heyday.

528
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,280
I was AI was a regional, I was a
regional corporate counsel at

529
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,440
one point for APEO that was
rather large.

530
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,120
We had six states.
It was between 20 and 30,000,

531
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,320
maybe even 40,000 worksite
employees.

532
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,360
And I was travelling around
taking care of a lot of things.

533
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:34,000
But at later in my career, my
son would argue with me about

534
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,400
everything at all under the sun.
He would we somebody would say

535
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,720
that's blue and he'd say, no
dad, that's actually cerulean.

536
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,120
It's cerulean.
It's not cool.

537
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,600
And I looked over at him and I
was like, we're going to do this

538
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,000
at the dinner table.
It's like, I do this all day.

539
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,440
You were going to do this.
And I remember praying.

540
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,040
And after a while the Lord's
just saying, he's saying there's

541
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,160
so much for you.
There's so much for them.

542
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,240
This isn't your bailiwick.
This is going to make you into

543
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,680
something that I can't reach.
And that's what I mean.

544
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,600
And so lawyers, there are good
ones.

545
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,000
But if you follow that line,
instead of becoming a judge in

546
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,680
Zion or a judge in Israel, you
become argumentative, you become

547
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,840
obstreperate.
It's, I'm not saying all

548
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:19,160
lawyers, not your lawyers that
you know, Donathan was a decent

549
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,880
man for Joseph Smith.
There are good lawyers, but they

550
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,800
have to be careful about where
they take their where they take

551
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,600
their passions.
Gotcha.

552
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,960
Gotcha. 10 four.
All right, well, let's dig into

553
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,160
it, man.
You're you're you're up here.

554
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,080
It's your turn.
What?

555
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:41,760
What we're we're talking about
the armor of God and yeah, let's

556
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:50,800
let's just get into it.
We you were you took the the the

557
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,000
hell the to gird your loins
about with truth.

558
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,480
Right.
So let's get into her.

559
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,680
OK, well, let's start.
I'm going to, I'm going to use

560
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,600
some words and again, I'm going
to tell you I, I, I'm a man of

561
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,880
passion, as you heard with, with
some of my things about John W

562
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,720
Taylor and, and some of those
things with other it I'm a man

563
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,200
of passion.
But I do need to, I'd like to

564
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,880
start what's called with what's
called exit.

565
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,880
It's it's called exegesis or
exegesis.

566
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:27,360
It's called The Who, what, when,
where, and how of Ephesians 611

567
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,760
through 18.
That's your armor of God.

568
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,840
So let's just get into it.
The epistle itself by Paul.

569
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,400
I'm going to throw out some
facts.

570
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,360
I gave you a bibliography so
that you didn't think I was just

571
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,120
pulling it out of thin air, out
of a hat and.

572
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,400
We'll post that, we'll post that
with these, with this episode

573
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,840
show notes as well to make sure
that people see that as well.

574
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,320
Now on those pictures you sent
me, did you want to share those

575
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,640
on the podcast?
If you, if you want to, I'll

576
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,160
reference them and you can pull
them up.

577
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,400
You just slow me down and you
say, hey, Josh, slow down and

578
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,120
let's let's get this up here.
But I'm going to walk through

579
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,760
some facts.
I usually take the majority view

580
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,680
and where I don't take the
majority view, I explain why I'm

581
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,200
taking the minority or the
growing majority here.

582
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,160
And the reason I do that is so
that you guys don't think I'm

583
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,200
just making stuff up to fit my
argument.

584
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,560
You'll in fundamentalism
especially, you'll, you'll see a

585
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,040
lot of guys, they'll come out
with an idea and then I'll try

586
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,800
to fit the idea doctrinally by
coming off with some tangent and

587
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,560
you've got to say, hey, we've
got a lot of people doing this

588
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,280
for a long time and this is what
we think.

589
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,520
So here we go.
Nearly all scholars agree that

590
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,800
Paul was enduring his first
imprisonment at Rome, I think

591
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,200
between the years of 60 to 62
when he wrote the epistle that's

592
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,800
called Ephesians.
Now most of those scholars

593
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,440
conclude that it wasn't written
to the Ephesians.

594
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,680
It it wasn't written to the
Ephesians exclusively as the

595
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,200
underlying text.
It never mentioned Ephesus, but

596
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,080
referenced the Saints throughout
the regions.

597
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:04,720
So the existing document, the
the one the underlying text,

598
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,760
most scholars would agree that
it was a circular.

599
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,080
It didn't say Ephesus.
It said to the churches abroad.

600
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,920
So technically, if you want to
just throw out technicalities,

601
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,120
Paul is writing to the churches.
It would be the epistle of Paul

602
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,280
to the churches.
Now, how did it get Ephesus on

603
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,440
it?
Ephesus was the headquarters of

604
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,840
Paul in Asia Minor.
They're like the seven churches.

605
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,120
His main church was in Ephesus.
So if he wanted to circulate

606
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,760
this out into Asia Minor or the
world at large, his headquarters

607
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,680
would have been Ephesus.
So here he goes.

608
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,520
He's he's in Rome now.
He's in imprisoned in Rome.

609
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,440
He's under house arrest in bonds
or chains.

610
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,560
And he's saying, I'm going to
write a, I'm going to write to

611
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,040
all the churches.
And then obviously he'd have to

612
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,920
send that to Ephesus.
So what we have now is the book

613
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:01,000
of Ephesians.
And also the, the scholars also

614
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,040
say that the text that we have
was written between say, 70 and

615
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,520
100 AD.
That's three to 33 years after

616
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,280
Paul was dead.
So the text that we have comes

617
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,120
between 3 to 33 years after he
died.

618
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,640
So it was a circular, it was
people writing stuff down or

619
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,600
sending it out or doing that
really.

620
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:26,960
Though for for that time period,
that's not like that's nothing

621
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:32,200
that should should throw anybody
into, you know, doubting what

622
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,440
the authenticity of Ephesus.
Right.

623
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:39,520
No No 30 to 70.
Years is is really quite that

624
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,040
shows that it was at least
making circulation well before

625
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,720
that, right?
That's how they did.

626
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,560
In fact, like you said,
Ephesians is one of the earliest

627
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,480
texts we got because some of
them were hundreds of years

628
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,840
later.
But I'm not trying to do it to

629
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,000
doubt it.
What I'm doing is is you're

630
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,320
going to see he's writing to the
entire church.

631
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,440
He wants everybody everywhere.
It's not to the Ephesians over

632
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,640
here.
It's to everybody everywhere.

633
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:04,640
And you're going to see it in
there.

634
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,360
And it's important for us
tonight because we're going to

635
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,239
talk about putting on the whole
armor of God, but we need to do

636
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,400
a little background to see how
do we even get to armor and why

637
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,880
are we talking about it.
So even though the existing text

638
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:23,280
was 33 to 33 years after that,
he was he was discussing these

639
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,280
things with the entire church.
Now you, as you know, Ephesus

640
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,080
served as Paul's for Paul in his
early missions as the

641
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:35,080
headquarters and he served
roughly, I think there were

642
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:39,320
three missions that you that are
that are ascribable to Paul.

643
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,520
So that's kind of the background
of this text.

644
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,320
But to get to the text, you have
to see how Paul got to Rome.

645
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,280
So I'm going to kind of get into
and this is going to bring up

646
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,199
some of our first pictures.
I'm going to, I'm going to show

647
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:59,520
pretty much how Paul got over to
to Rome after his missions Paul

648
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,080
made.
Josh, I don't mean to screw up

649
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,040
your flow, but as soon as you
want me to bring up a picture,

650
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,680
let me know and I'll start
sharing my screen, OK?

651
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,000
We're going to bring up the
Soric, which is going to be that

652
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,000
first picture of that, that
beautiful tile that has the

653
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,520
warning of anybody coming into
the court.

654
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,000
So we're going to do that here
in a second.

655
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,400
But I want to get to that by
giving a background.

656
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:26,400
So it says Paul was under house
arrest in Judea from 58 to 60

657
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,120
AD, roughly after a group of
Jewish men accused him of

658
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,920
bringing a man named Trophimus,
which was a Greek beyond the

659
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,480
Sorg, into the inner court of
the Temple at Jerusalem.

660
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,240
So I used a lot of fancy words.
I used the word called sorg and

661
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:45,960
inner inner court of the Temple
at Jerusalem.

662
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:51,360
What the SORG is, it was a set
of staves or fencing that would

663
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,080
block off the inner court from
the court of the Gentiles.

664
00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,080
And so if you walked past a
certain point, you would enter

665
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,000
into what was called the inner
court and they would have these

666
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,240
warnings.
And these warnings are intense.

667
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,520
We're going to read that here.
If you want, let me let me pull

668
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,800
up my so I know you're going to
have it online, but let me pull

669
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,920
up mine so that I can be there
with you.

670
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,160
There's Paul.
And you see my screen here by

671
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,720
the way.
I'm going back and forth between

672
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:25,360
applications.
I can see that I've got mine

673
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,560
pulled up and it it shows a
tile.

674
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,200
It says this is the this is a
tile that they actually found

675
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,040
during the era actually of Paul.
It was roughly in that in that

676
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:42,960
time period, but it would have
been both in the in the Coiny

677
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,000
Greek and it would be done in
Latin as well for the benefit of

678
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,600
strangers.
And so in 58 Paul's in Jerusalem

679
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,000
celebrating feast of Pentecost
is what this says.

680
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,640
And while he's in the city, he
meets with James, Jesus's half

681
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,200
brother and other Christian
elders.

682
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,640
That's Acts.
It's quoting it there for you.

683
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,920
And you can find this by the
way, I put the the

684
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:09,320
www.biblestudy.org he says says,
but they the Jews having been

685
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,000
informed that you are teaching
all the Jews who are among the

686
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:17,560
Gentiles to apostatize for Moses
telling them not to circumcise

687
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,840
their children nor walk in the
customs.

688
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:23,600
Now, I don't want to be crude
with you, but if you brought an

689
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,640
uncircumcised person beyond the,
the SORG that is almost prima

690
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,200
facie it's a legal term of, of
you are found absolutely guilty.

691
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:38,200
If you walk an uncircumcised
male, adult male into the inner

692
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:42,360
court, you're bringing Gentiles
into the court under the, under

693
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,400
the guise and auspices of those
Jews.

694
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,640
And so the there's been
arguments throughout that Paul

695
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,800
never brought Trophemus in, but
what you can see is Paul

696
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,080
converted roughly about 30-4.
Traditionally it holds that he

697
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,600
converted AT34AD.
We're moving 24 years past that

698
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:08,480
to 58 or roughly around there,
and he's coming into the Sorig

699
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,760
and all of his old Pharisitical
friends are now aged and they're

700
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,480
saying that's Paul or Saul of
Tarsus.

701
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,960
He's running about with all the
Jews throughout the Kingdom or

702
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,320
up in Asia Minor, throughout
Damascus, you know, all of the

703
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,880
areas, and he's teaching them
not to circumcise.

704
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,920
And so these guys get really
excited and then the cry goes

705
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,320
out.
He's got Trophimus with him.

706
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,320
He's bringing Trophimus into the
inner court.

707
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:37,200
Now let's read what this this
sign says because it's intense.

708
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,760
I haven't seen signs like this.
I've seen one and I'm going to

709
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,320
tell you about that, but it's
just, it's pretty intense.

710
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,760
This is what it reads the
translation.

711
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,240
No stranger is to enter within
the balustrade round the temple

712
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:54,000
and enclosure.
Whoever is caught will be

713
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,040
responsible to himself for his
death, which will ensue.

714
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,720
That's what it says.
It says it in in koion, excuse

715
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:08,640
me, Koina, Greek and in Latin.
Now to be clear, stranger means

716
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,920
non Jew.
It means going, it means

717
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,840
gentile.
So this is the thing that you're

718
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,000
reading as a Greek or with the
Latin as a Roman as you're

719
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,680
getting really close to that
soaring, which is that that

720
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:25,200
fencing that as it goes into the
inner court, Paul passes through

721
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,320
that and a huge riot ensues
because of these these things

722
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,200
they're saying this man's
teaching men not to circumcise.

723
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,040
If you're not circumcised, that
prima facie means that you're

724
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,480
Gentiles.
He's teaching the Gentiles.

725
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,200
He's doing this and made a lot
of accusations of that nature

726
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,400
against Paul, and this caused a
huge problem for him.

727
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,000
So such an action, if true,
would be punishable by immediate

728
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,760
death.
The sign posted there at the

729
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,080
entrance explains this with very
calm intensity.

730
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,360
I've never seen a sign like that
but one time in my life.

731
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,240
I know you, you guys, you know
Christchurch, right over there

732
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:05,600
in Nevada.
You.

733
00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:07,440
You've been out there.
Good folks over there.

734
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,720
Yeah, great folks.
When I was, my brother was

735
00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:13,680
baptized into their
denomination.

736
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,760
And as we were passing by there,
he said, hey, have you ever been

737
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,560
to the back gate of Area 52?
And I said, no, I haven't been

738
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,200
to the back gate of Area 52.
We were going back over to Utah.

739
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,160
He's like, let's go down there
and see what's going on down

740
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,040
there.
I was like, first of all, are we

741
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,360
going to be OK down there?
He's like, sure, you're allowed

742
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:32,840
to be down there.
People camp out.

743
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,800
As long as you don't pass, the
gate should be fine.

744
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:37,880
We're going down the road, which
is approximately 6 miles.

745
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,080
It's a right turn off the
highway, 6 miles down, and then

746
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,000
all of a sudden way up in the
distance, I see this gleaming

747
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,400
white truck come up all the way
on top of a of a bluff.

748
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,520
We driving further, driving
further, this big Apache, It

749
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,720
looks like an Apache.
I don't know what it is, but

750
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:57,440
it's one of those military
copters, those black ones, comes

751
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:02,680
hovering about 60-70 yards off
the ground down the road towards

752
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,200
us.
Now, this doesn't make what

753
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,200
we're doing illegal, but what it
was was a show.

754
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,640
It was basically saying we don't
register you guys, you're not

755
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,960
wanted out here.
We're just going to let you know

756
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,120
you get up to reflection.
Wait, have you been out there?

757
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,440
Yeah, yeah, I, I did a survey
close to there once and kind of

758
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,440
crapped my pants up once almost
because of something, something

759
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:31,040
very similar, Josh.
So I went out there with him and

760
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,440
I'm sitting there at the gate on
the right side of the, the

761
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,400
correct side of the gate and I'm
reading some of these warnings

762
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:40,640
and it's just like the, the
soric warnings, pretty much it

763
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,000
says don't, don't step over this
gate.

764
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,520
Don't come out here if you don't
have business out here.

765
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,960
It's going to lead to, it's
going to lead to everything from

766
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,960
civil penalties to death.
Don't cross here, you know, and

767
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,120
there's a guy in a white truck
with a shotgun up there.

768
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,120
There's guys up in the air.
They were so low to the ground.

769
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,160
I could see guys with with
automatic light arms on the side

770
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,440
by the pilot in the in the
helicopter, You know, I, you

771
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,960
know, I gave him my own special
little, little wave.

772
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,040
You know, I was, I was in the
passenger seat.

773
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,720
My brother was driving.
So the soaring was a very

774
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:15,720
serious thing.
It was it was something people

775
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:17,120
talk about.
Hey, don't go into the inner

776
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,400
court back then.
If you did that, it caused it

777
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,080
caused a major, major scuffle.
And that's what happened to

778
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,480
Paul.
He got pulled in, I believe

779
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:32,040
personally to it was a political
job on him.

780
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,320
He walked into the soaring.
Everybody knew and I think they

781
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,880
just demonstrated and caused the
big ruckus.

782
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,960
I don't know that he was
bringing gentiles in there.

783
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,200
I don't know if Trophimus really
made it in there, but he was

784
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,920
preaching non circumcision and
that probably put him off pretty

785
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,960
badly.
So they would say he's

786
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,600
encouraging Jews to come into
the beyond the soaring

787
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,000
uncircumcised, which makes them
gentiles.

788
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:58,960
That's the background of this.
And it's important because he's

789
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,680
going to go before 2 leaders,
Festus first of all, and then

790
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,480
over to Agrippa and he, they're
going to argue back and forth.

791
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,680
When he goes to Festus, he's
going to appeal to Caesar.

792
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,760
Festus is going to say, well,
let's send you to a grip of the

793
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,280
second.
Agrippa.

794
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,360
The second is going to tell him.
He's going to say, I understand

795
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,800
your argument.
I understand where you're coming

796
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,440
from.
I would free you.

797
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,320
You're you would be a free man
right now had you not claimed to

798
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,160
to go before Caesar, but you've
claimed to go before Caesar.

799
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,840
You claimed it.
So to Caesar, you're going to

800
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,120
go.
And that's where we are.

801
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,120
This is the background of this,
and it's important because when

802
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,600
we get into the armor of God,
we're going to see two passages

803
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,960
in here that talk about what I
believe, and I think you'll

804
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,680
believe to be temple worship.
At the very beginning of

805
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,760
Ephesians.
He's going to talk about the

806
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,080
needs of these things, and then
he's going to talk about putting

807
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,200
on the armor of God, not to
wrestle with flesh and blood,

808
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,160
but against spiritual
adversaries.

809
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,400
So the temple is crucial to the
Ephesians.

810
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,080
And, and, and I'm, I'm given the
background of this.

811
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,840
I'm only going to talk about the
loins of truth.

812
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,440
I'm not going to stomp down
anybody else's area.

813
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,440
But I'm I'm saying it's
important to see that so that

814
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,840
you see Paul as he truly is.
Perfect.

815
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,360
That's that's the soup in which
he is swimming, so to speak,

816
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,200
right now is he's not making
friends.

817
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,280
He's kind of a rabble rouser.
Yeah, well, when he got in front

818
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,120
of Festus, he'd been, he'd been
over with the Greeks.

819
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,880
And the Greeks traditionally are
some of the best argumentation.

820
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,280
That's all they did in the
agora, that these older men

821
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,240
would go to the agora and they
would argue, philosophize about

822
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:45,160
everything, could pick up
toothpicks and philosophize of

823
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,560
toothpicks.
He'd been with those guys for 20

824
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,240
years and so I think what he did
in front of Festus was he he

825
00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:55,520
probably got into that mode and
then said, OK, fine, I'll appeal

826
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,640
to Caesar.
And that's what got him into

827
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,960
Rome.
Gotcha.

828
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,200
No, that makes a lot of sense.
All right, moving on.

829
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,320
Moving on, we're going to go
into what I call Roman opinions

830
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,160
of Paul, and we're going to do
this through two things.

831
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,680
It's in the bibliography.
I'm just going to kind of speed

832
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,520
through this so that we can get
to the meat of the matter, which

833
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,040
is actually girding the loins
with truth.

834
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,640
We want to get down to girding
and the rest of it.

835
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,120
I just want to give you this
background.

836
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,600
So I bet to understand the term
Christian, you have to

837
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,400
understand that at the time of
Paul, it's anachronistic.

838
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,200
And what that means is that
nobody used the term Christian.

839
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:40,520
They would say a follower, a
Jewish follower of Rabbi Yeshua,

840
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,840
They would say these are Jews.
And these Jews believe that

841
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:49,320
Rabbi Yeshua has fulfilled the
covenant of Messiah, of the

842
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,840
Messiah.
So prior to 110 AD, calling

843
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,120
somebody a Christian is
anachronistic, all right?

844
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,440
It simply was never done.
So we have to look at the way

845
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,600
Nero sees this.
He's saying things like this.

846
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:09,840
He says, wow, 24 years ago there
was this big thing and there was

847
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:14,360
a leader and there was a schism
and then we had to put them to

848
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,960
death.
And then I have the Roman guards

849
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,920
coming back saying the
Christians never really

850
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,080
revolted.
It wasn't really them.

851
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,160
It was these, these, these
patriotic types.

852
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:27,560
I, I don't know what's going on,
but there seems to be trouble

853
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,600
brewing with, with the Jewish,
with the with Palestina is what

854
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,320
they called it.
And so everybody says Nero.

855
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:40,400
Nero didn't like Christians.
What Nero was handed was a

856
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:45,120
simmering pot of Palestina
between two contending

857
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,520
ideologies of Judaism.
One was to follow the Messiah,

858
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:54,200
who is a Yeshua who is Jesus
Christ, and the other were the

859
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:56,560
traditional Pharositical
mosaics.

860
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,760
That's how the Romans would have
seen him because they didn't

861
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,160
they didn't refer to him as
Christian or crystal lawyer any

862
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:09,080
of that stuff till about 110 ADI
see so that it's important to

863
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,200
know that and that's that is the
growing majority is saying that

864
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,680
so history is kind of slighted
Nero and Nero is not he's not a

865
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,080
the epitome of virtue.
OK Nero is not I'm not trying to

866
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,200
bring Nero and put him up on a
pedestal.

867
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,400
I'm trying to be.
You're not trying to make Nero

868
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,880
great again.
No, no, no, no, no, no.

869
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,160
So history, I mean, if you, if
you could see how that those

870
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,760
politics work.
His mother, I'm not going to get

871
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,080
into history, history so that
you know, I made history my

872
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,960
minor instead of my major or my
master's because it's my

873
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,520
passion.
I was the guy that when the when

874
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,600
the political science teacher
would start throwing out things,

875
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,720
I would go Fact Check him.
And when he started getting in

876
00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:56,400
because he got into political
dialogues, both of them did.

877
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,880
I would start, I would start
pulling out books.

878
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,240
I remember one time he started
just tearing into Reagan and

879
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:04,280
tearing into all these things.
And I was like, I want to know

880
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,840
both sides.
So I went out and got went down

881
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,880
the bookstore, the little 5 and
time start pulling out all these

882
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,920
real politic books from Nixon
and went through and and fast

883
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,600
read through the blurbs and the
rest of it.

884
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,120
That's who I am.
But that's that's where I was

885
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,080
going in my life.
But the the Lord said don't be a

886
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,960
dried read.
Don't go down that road.

887
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,000
Stay in the believers realm.
Don't argue.

888
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,240
You see what I'm saying right?
Yep, I get you.

889
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:30,480
This is my passion.
So this stuff is my passion.

890
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,160
So the term Christian was not
used at the time of Nero.

891
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,760
So from 60 to 62 Paul is in
Rome.

892
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:47,400
All right, Tacitus would write
in, in 120 AD and Suetonius

893
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:52,160
would write, I believe it's 118
AD that the Christians were

894
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,720
blamed for the burning of Rome.
That couldn't happen.

895
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:00,080
What would have to happen is
that Nero would say, I know

896
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,480
there's trouble brewing in
Palestina.

897
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,120
They're they're the biggest
rabble rousers in all the

898
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,440
umpire.
It's probably those guys or that

899
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,200
virulent sect of Jews called,
you know, the followers of, of

900
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,000
Rabbi Yeshua.
Those guys may have done it or

901
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,480
the Jews may have.
There's no proof that he accused

902
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,640
Christians of that, except for
Tacitus, who was using

903
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,800
anachronistic terms like 60
years later.

904
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,520
This is important because you're
going to see Nero is going to

905
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,720
let him go.
Nero's going.

906
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:38,080
To let Tacitus.
Go, no, Tacitus is a historian

907
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,520
in in 120.
He's going to let, he's going to

908
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,640
go after his first imprisonment.
Then he's going to bring him

909
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,600
back after the burning of Rome
and everybody's going to say,

910
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,280
oh, it must be the Christians.
There are a lot of reasons he

911
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,040
would bring him back.
And we're going to get into

912
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,120
that.
And then we're going to get into

913
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,800
the loins, the girding of the
loins with truth.

914
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,920
So I I know I'm talking a lot,
but I'm I'm throwing it.

915
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:00,480
Out.
No, you're good.

916
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:01,960
You're good.
I'm following it.

917
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,240
I'm this is good.
We're we're doing just fine.

918
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:10,040
All right, so it's important.
This is important because we're

919
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,360
going to see in this discussion
of how to act toward how of how

920
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,600
to act toward government and the
use of military symbology in the

921
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,960
writings of the Ephesians.
So he's going to be, but he's

922
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,800
going to be in imprisonment and
he's going to start using

923
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,880
military symbology.
In the writings of Ephesians,

924
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,760
says Rome would become more
bellicose against Judea.

925
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,520
And history would show that when
they say Judea, I mean the

926
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:40,240
Pharisitical Jews, you're going
to see that by 67 to 70 before

927
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:43,800
Titus comes in there and just
sacks Jerusalem.

928
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,320
You're going to see that the
Pharisitical side of the Jews

929
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,960
became more bellicose than the
followers of Yeshua, what you

930
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:56,080
call the Christians so for.
Those who don't know, what does

931
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,400
the word bellicose mean?
They're going to become

932
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,680
aggressive.
They're going to say we have got

933
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,760
to go into Jerusalem and sack
Jerusalem.

934
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:08,160
And that's going to be in 6767
to 70 is going to be what's

935
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:13,400
called the the Jewish war.
And so I'm, I'm positing that

936
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,640
Nero is saying, hey, we've got
troubles brewing over here.

937
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,040
I don't know which is which.
They're all Jewish to me.

938
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,720
And there's a problem over here.
And I'm saying that even after

939
00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:27,680
the death of Paul, we're going
to see that the Pharisitical

940
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,480
Jews, the ones that followed the
Mosaic and did not follow

941
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,680
Yeshua, we're going to see that
the Romans took those guys down

942
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,640
as the real target.
It'll start with the Spatian and

943
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,560
then it'll end with Titus.
They weren't focusing in on

944
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,720
Christians.
They were focusing in on

945
00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:47,880
bellicose, highly patriotic,
what you would call Maccabean

946
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,760
style level Jewish political
rhetoric.

947
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:53,840
So.
They're still looking for that

948
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,080
political savior.
They're still looking for the

949
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:01,240
guy to come in, restore the
restore the Kingdom of David and

950
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,000
and and get get the oppressors
off their backs.

951
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,480
Now you're going to you just
made my point.

952
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,040
Thank you.
You basically said when we

953
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,640
wrestle not against flesh and
blood, we're wrestling against

954
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,600
spiritual darkness in high
places.

955
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,720
We're, we're wrestling against
evil and wickedness, you know,

956
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:23,440
and we're doing this stuff, but
we're not wrestling against the

957
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,440
Roman Empire.
We're not, we're not taking down

958
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,280
the man.
None of us are.

959
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,400
We're, we're wrestling against
our own sins and the sins of

960
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,640
others.
We need to take on the armor of

961
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,760
God.
Now we're going to see that he

962
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,200
was basically bound to a Roman
soldier called a Praetorian

963
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,600
Guard as he was writing or
dictating this.

964
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:46,720
So all of those Praetorians that
were in that room and on those

965
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,200
and on that duty, it was 2
years, all of them would have

966
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,880
known about this.
So if he was writing down, let's

967
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,360
take down Rome, let's burn it to
the ground, let's protect the

968
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,560
temple site, let's let's build
all of these other highly

969
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,640
patriotic sites.
He would have had his head cut

970
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,520
off a lot sooner.
He didn't.

971
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,320
He was let go by Nero after the
writings of Ephesians.

972
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,880
And so I want you to see
Ephesians as a non militaristic,

973
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,680
more of a spiritual warfare.
It's spiritual.

974
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:23,760
That makes so much more sense
why he used the that that

975
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,200
metaphor for the armor, because
there's certain parts of that

976
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:34,720
armor, Josh, that wouldn't
necessarily be ubiquitous

977
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:37,640
throughout Jewish culture,
right?

978
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:39,880
Bucklers.
You got bucklers?

979
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,240
Yeah, I'm with you, man.
You got bucklers.

980
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:46,280
You've got things going on that
don't make sense, but they will

981
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:47,320
make.
Yes, I'm.

982
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,080
I'm with you.
You know, and that's interesting

983
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:54,000
because I think what we're
seeing here who this this

984
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,280
carries some implications
because I'm just thinking about

985
00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:01,680
this like if Paul is writing
this and he's writing about what

986
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:06,200
would be recognizable as Roman
armor to Romans.

987
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,600
What I can't help but wonder if
these aren't the first seeds

988
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:18,480
that are planted within Roman
political thought, so to speak,

989
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,880
that Christianity can be
conducive to Rome and doesn't

990
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:27,800
cede the ground to for for
Constantine later.

991
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,680
Does that make sense?
Because if he's.

992
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,360
Talking to the military.
Guys.

993
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:33,880
You're 2 steps ahead of me,
Paul.

994
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,240
Not only did that my my humble
opinion and I have it in

995
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:41,960
scripture is going to say Paul
taught every Praetorian guard

996
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,640
that he was bound to and every
team.

997
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,960
And the reason I know that is I
think it's Ephesians 113.

998
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,800
He says I am being known by the
entire Praetorian Guard.

999
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,200
All of the guard knows me.
It says it in Philippians.

1000
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:58,800
I'm sorry.
And Philippians.

1001
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,960
Is fascinating.
He he wrote Philippians while he

1002
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,720
was in his first imprisonment
and he wrote in Philippians 113.

1003
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:09,000
He says at the same time
Ephesians was being written, it

1004
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,880
says Paul was quote becoming
known to the entire guard, which

1005
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,960
is the Praetorian Guard.
The Praetorian Guard were 9000

1006
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,560
men that were under the auspices
of Caesar.

1007
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,720
They would be like the they
would be the right be the

1008
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:28,400
highest, highest level military
bureaucrat leaders that how do I

1009
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,160
find their equivalent?
Their equivalent would be the

1010
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:36,880
military industrial complex, the
National Security Agency blended

1011
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,360
in with the CIA SEAL Team 6.
There's 9000 of these guys.

1012
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:45,000
They're called the Praetorians.
Few months back, Justin Frankham

1013
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,240
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about the fullness of the

1014
00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:50,720
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It was an idea that once I had

1015
00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:53,360
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1016
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,720
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1017
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And totally fits Paul's style,

1048
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,320
right?
He's going to tailor his like

1049
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:44,360
when he goes to Mars Hill, he
speaks very with a lot of

1050
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:48,080
philosophical overtones because
he knows that's what's going to

1051
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,920
land with his audience.
So this, this armor thing, this

1052
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,320
makes sense given the Praetorian
Guard because it's something

1053
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:59,160
that the Guard would be very
familiar with and it fits Paul's

1054
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,720
mode of teaching, especially
when he's in in those

1055
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:06,840
Hellenistic circles.
These guards were 18 inches away

1056
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,800
from wrist to wrist.
So let's get into Paul being

1057
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,320
bound in chains as stated in
Ephesians 620 at the end.

1058
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:18,480
Bound in chains in the Greek is
called Halusis Hal use.

1059
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,920
This is a small chain.
It's a, it's the Greek word for

1060
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,040
a small chain.
You bind A1 wrist.

1061
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,840
There's an 18 inch small chain
that's bound to the wrist of the

1062
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,720
Praetorian Guard.
And they have to do that all

1063
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,280
day, all day.
They they would, they would go

1064
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:39,160
in cycles of six hours and they
would go in probably in cycles

1065
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,040
of teams week on week off or a
couple days on and off.

1066
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:46,120
Now you do the math.
If you have a team of four for

1067
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:50,720
one week, one week, team of
four, that's going to be 200.

1068
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,000
What is that?
That's going to be a team of

1069
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:57,400
four for 52 weeks.
That's going to be 208 different

1070
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:02,680
Praetorian guards for two years.
400 Praetorian guards are going

1071
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,760
to not only know you, they're
going to have sat there 18

1072
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,040
inches away from you as you're
dictating to your friends or

1073
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:13,160
writing down the scriptures and
they would be engaging in in

1074
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,960
religious discussion.
So these Praetorian guards would

1075
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,160
be sent throughout Rome.
Hey, we're going to need you

1076
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,240
over in Jerusalem.
We're going to need you up in

1077
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,600
Asia Minor.
You need to get up to Philippi

1078
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,880
over into Greece.
You've got to go over here into

1079
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:28,920
Spain.
They get moved around all the

1080
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,160
time.
So they're going to say, hey,

1081
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:32,880
where have you been?
I've been in Rome.

1082
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:36,240
What have you been doing?
I was, I was bounded chains to a

1083
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,360
guy named Paul.
He's a Jewish man that follows

1084
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:44,000
the Rabbi Yeshua and he wrote
these letters and wow, all he

1085
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:48,240
did was talk about God all day
for I was there the whole week,

1086
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,360
the whole month, whatever.
He's just talking about God.

1087
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,640
Paul became known throughout the
entire guard is what it says

1088
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,680
everywhere.
So when you say this is ideal,

1089
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,640
this armor of God, he would have
been writing and they looking

1090
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,880
over there and saying, OK, so
the buckler and then the

1091
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,760
breastplate and then the the
skirting.

1092
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,560
But it wasn't about warfare.
It was spiritual.

1093
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,320
So yes, he would have been
preaching, I believe.

1094
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,000
I believe what you just said
that it.

1095
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:23,160
That is fascinating because as
we were talking and look, I've

1096
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:24,520
already been in talks with
someone.

1097
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,120
This is kind of a general
announcement.

1098
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,920
I'm about to get a producer on
the show so I don't have to

1099
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,600
Google search my own stuff and
he can keep me straight.

1100
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:33,920
He's going to be real good at
it.

1101
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:39,040
But I was, I was just doing
some, some, some quick research

1102
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,960
here.
There were several members of

1103
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:46,600
the Praetorian Guard that ended
up becoming Caesar or Emperor,

1104
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:52,600
Right, right.
And, and if, if human nature

1105
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:57,840
holds across the, the eons,
which I believe it does, then it

1106
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:03,800
becomes kind of a, a no brainer
that at some point this stuff's

1107
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,400
going like I could see, I could
see those praetorian guards

1108
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:13,280
taking what Paul taught and they
become even semi converted,

1109
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,920
right?
You could see Paul's lecture

1110
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:22,320
here or, or parable about this
armor of God almost becoming a

1111
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,720
badge of honor for these guys,
right?

1112
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:29,440
And, and, and they're going to
internalize that and they're

1113
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:33,160
going to, oh, it makes, it makes
total sense now, right?

1114
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,360
This is going to permeate even
if they didn't make it all the

1115
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:40,800
way to, to the emperor of Rome,
You imagine summer advisors,

1116
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:42,640
right?
They got, they got emperor's

1117
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:46,360
ears, right.
And so this really is the seeds

1118
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:50,800
I think, that are planted that
would break things open for when

1119
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:55,000
Constantine comes along.
Of of course, these so that you

1120
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:59,360
know how I feel about this and,
and there are many historians,

1121
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:03,720
some may try to disagree, but it
they know the Praetorian Guard

1122
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,760
was the military, the equivalent
of our military industrial

1123
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:11,640
complex.
They decided whether Caesar

1124
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,720
stayed Caesar or Caesar died
because they protected him.

1125
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,120
They had all the positions of
authority.

1126
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,920
There were 9000 of them.
These were battle hardened

1127
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,080
troops that if you said this
man's an enemy of the state,

1128
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,480
they didn't talk a long time
about that.

1129
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,480
They said what?
This man's an enemy of the

1130
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,400
state.
You know what happens after

1131
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,120
that.
That's the kind of people that

1132
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,680
they were.
And so when you see somebody

1133
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,840
like Augustus Caesar ruling, as
long as he ruled, he ruled not

1134
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:43,040
just, I believe at the leisure
of it, he ruled in the graces of

1135
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,440
the men that called his
Praetorian Guard.

1136
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,760
And we get the history of him
being this amazing August

1137
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:54,320
looking, reticent, stoic looking
leader with all of his robes and

1138
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:58,280
he's on his, on his throne in
his Dios, looking down at

1139
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,160
people.
No, you got to see all the guard

1140
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:04,520
behind him, all the people
throughout the provinces, all

1141
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,480
the politics.
Without that, he would have been

1142
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:12,040
a dead man, a full dead man.
So these guys are very powerful.

1143
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:15,680
The and every, every Roman
historian, every teacher would

1144
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,400
tell you that.
They would say at the end, it

1145
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,960
was the Praetorian Guard running
the show.

1146
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:26,000
Nero would get rid of his mother
and his mother would be gotten

1147
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:27,560
rid of through the Praetorian
Guard.

1148
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:29,400
That that's how that stuff
works.

1149
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:33,680
So you're absolutely right.
And So what Paul did, I think he

1150
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,960
did it through inspiration.
He says, hey, I'm bound in

1151
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,800
chains to the Praetorian Guard.
These guys are going to go 9000

1152
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,920
and we're going to go all
throughout the entire entire

1153
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,040
Roman Empire.
So guess what I get to do?

1154
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,720
I've got a captive audience for
two years.

1155
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,080
I'm going to write epistles.
I'm going to dictate it to my

1156
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:54,760
friends.
My friends are going to visit

1157
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,040
and we're going to discuss
religion.

1158
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:58,760
It would be like you and me,
you're bound in chains.

1159
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:02,400
I get to come visit you and
we're preaching to the the, the

1160
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:06,360
national security framework that
intense interesting.

1161
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,640
All right, let's let's move on
because we really, we really got

1162
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:13,960
to get to the loins of truth.
But there's a lot here and

1163
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,160
there's a lot to think about.
This is good stuff.

1164
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,840
All right.
Do I need to switch go forward

1165
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:23,920
in photos yet?
I was going to have you.

1166
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:29,960
OK, so that that hallucis there
are I don't know if I put it in

1167
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,600
pictures, but I definitely put
it in the bibliography.

1168
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:37,800
You'll see there's a scholar who
discusses all he discusses is

1169
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:45,320
Roman the what they do and the
policy and and the procedure of

1170
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,000
how they bind people and hold
them under house arrest.

1171
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,480
He's it's it's it's in the
bibliography and you'll you'll

1172
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,040
see it there.
So I'm just going to move on

1173
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:59,160
past that and down into we
talked about becoming known.

1174
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:03,000
So everywhere Paul would go
afterwards, they say he went to

1175
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,920
Spain, some say he went all the
way up into England to

1176
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,320
Britannia.
Everywhere he go, there would be

1177
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:13,560
a Praetorian guard, if not being
the prefect, attached to the

1178
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,080
prefect.
And when he was known, hey, did

1179
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:19,720
you know Saul of Tarsus?
Paul is here And they say who's

1180
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,120
Paul?
It would be likely that one of

1181
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,520
the Praetorian Guards would say,
hey, my brother Festus was in

1182
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,840
Rome.
He was bound to this guy for

1183
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:31,840
like 3 weeks.
This guy apparently caused a

1184
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:36,200
riot inside the inner court,
inside the Soric and did this.

1185
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,920
He would be known everywhere
that he wouldn't be able to go

1186
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,360
without that.
They would be like that.

1187
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:43,080
He would his name would be
known.

1188
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,360
He'd be a person of interest is
what we would call him.

1189
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,280
So the background to the
doctrines.

1190
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,520
All right, so let's get let's
get into it.

1191
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:56,520
Remember how I told you that we
talked about he had gone, he had

1192
01:05:56,520 --> 01:06:00,600
gotten thrown in in chains,
imprisoned because he went

1193
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:05,440
inside the soric apparently and
was and caused a riot or a

1194
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,920
disturbance.
If you look at Ephesians 113, it

1195
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:13,520
talks about a ceiling by the
Holy Spirit of promise.

1196
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:17,720
It's right there in in Ephesians
113.

1197
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:21,200
As you know, the ceilings we
make by the Holy Spirit of

1198
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,160
promise are ceilings we make in
the temple.

1199
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:27,560
He's telling all the Saints
everywhere that they are worthy

1200
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,840
of that ceiling of the Holy
Spirit of promise.

1201
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:35,240
So he got thrown in prison for
bringing, apparently attempting

1202
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,160
to bring strangers into the
inner court.

1203
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:43,360
And when he beat that charge, he
claimed, went over to Caesar, he

1204
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:47,760
got on and wrote in Ephesians,
all of you, as I know, are

1205
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,600
worthy of that ceiling by that
Holy Spirit of promise.

1206
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,000
Now this is a little teaser, a
little insight.

1207
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,760
He's saying you people are
worthy of the covenants.

1208
01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:01,160
You are covenant worthy people.
And to the to the Mosaic Jews,

1209
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:04,120
it would be like saying you
Gentiles are worthy of this.

1210
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,840
But as we know, Isaiah
prophesied that we would go and

1211
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:11,640
disperse into the Gentiles and
we would bring the Gentiles back

1212
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:15,120
to the covenant.
It's Ephesians 113 and you'll be

1213
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:17,520
able to see it there.
It's kind of a little bit of a

1214
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:19,720
teaser.
So I'm, I'm going to start

1215
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:22,440
moving into the direction of
that.

1216
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,000
We're going to talk about
temples.

1217
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,280
We're going to talk about
promises and covenants.

1218
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,560
We're going to talk about the
armor of God being the promises

1219
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:32,880
to God about certain areas.
We're going to be talking a

1220
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:38,040
little bit, not a lot about
washings and anointings of

1221
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:42,200
certain areas without getting
into it, definitely talk about

1222
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:45,560
the blessing of the loins.
But before we get to that, I

1223
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:49,240
need to reinforce for you.
And you know, I want to get this

1224
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:52,320
quick because I want to get to
the the meat of it says Paul

1225
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,760
declares that the fight is not
with flesh and blood.

1226
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,960
He would go very far in
convincing the Romans that he is

1227
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,280
not advocating rebellion.
He says, For we wrestle not

1228
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:04,960
against flesh and blood, but
against principalities, against

1229
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,600
powers, against the rulers of
the darkness of the world.

1230
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:14,480
Then he said against spiritual
wickedness in high places.

1231
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:16,640
Do you guys, do you know where
the high places are?

1232
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:19,000
Do you know anything about
ancient like the Old Testament

1233
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,399
when you say high places?
The high places were always just

1234
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:23,880
that.
That was temple imagery.

1235
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,520
There you, there you.
So now that you said that, you

1236
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,960
made this so easy for me.
In the Greek, the high places

1237
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:35,040
are called iperanios.
I'm butchering that it means

1238
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:39,000
heavenly or the heavenly realms,
which is the Greek version of

1239
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,080
high places.
The high places comes from the

1240
01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:46,319
and later on you'll see that
when we have the Hebrew versions

1241
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:50,000
of the New Testament, when we do
the Hebrew versions of the of

1242
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,560
the New Testament, they're going
to use certain types of words.

1243
01:08:54,680 --> 01:09:00,120
It's called Bam Romim, and bam
Romim means the high places.

1244
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,680
Just like you said, the
spiritual high places, it can

1245
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,800
mean the apostates with all of
their Groves.

1246
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,319
It can mean the holy of holies
in the temple.

1247
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:12,880
So he's talking about spiritual
wickedness that occurs in high

1248
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:16,359
places.
What happened in the inner

1249
01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:19,040
court?
In the inner court is a sacred

1250
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,279
place.
It's a heavenly or divine place

1251
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,399
because you're not allowing
strangers or Gentiles or

1252
01:09:24,399 --> 01:09:29,840
unwashed worldly people there.
They committed and conspired to

1253
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:34,240
throw him out by deception, by
conspiracy.

1254
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:38,640
There is wickedness occurring in
high places.

1255
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:43,000
He's saying that we stand
against these priests that take

1256
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,800
over these high places and when
they take over them, they don't

1257
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:49,680
engage in the covenants.
They don't live the covenants.

1258
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:53,160
They do spiritual wickedness,
deceptions and cause riots and

1259
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:55,760
all the rest of it.
He would be talking a little bit

1260
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:59,160
about that, but there are other
reasons that he's talking about

1261
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:00,640
it.
The Hebrew version would say

1262
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:05,480
that we stand against evil
spirits in the high places.

1263
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:10,320
That's intense.
He's saying because it's been

1264
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:15,640
corrupted, there's evil spirits
now surrounding the high places.

1265
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,960
So he's saying you, you, you
charged me with bringing

1266
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:23,520
strangers and Gentiles in here.
I'm charging you with evil

1267
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:27,240
spirits in the high places, or
at least spiritual wickedness in

1268
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:28,960
the high places.
So he's getting this.

1269
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,960
Reason you're worried about
gentiles.

1270
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,080
You're you guys are dragging
dragon and demons so to speak.

1271
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:36,920
So to speak.
That's right.

1272
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:40,320
So let let me kind of I'm going
to tease this out and talk about

1273
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:43,000
it at some point later on years
down the road.

1274
01:10:43,480 --> 01:10:46,920
It's can mean a high holy area
on a mountain or in a temple

1275
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,040
that has been taken over by
quote UN quote with what John

1276
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:53,560
and Jesus would call the
children of darkness, the brood

1277
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:57,440
of Vipers, the serpents, the
children of the devil, Satan

1278
01:10:57,440 --> 01:11:01,720
seed, or as Jesus and John the
Baptizer in the Essenes, the

1279
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:05,720
Qumran communities would have
called the transplanted Pharisee

1280
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:08,480
temple priests.
So there were original temple

1281
01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:10,320
priests called the Seed of
Zadok.

1282
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:14,480
They went out and started
communities and tried to bring

1283
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:17,200
about the pure or the righteous
called the Essenes.

1284
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:21,400
These people, John especially
called the Pharisees at the

1285
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:25,280
temple a brood of Vipers.
That is a direct quote from his

1286
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:28,080
writings.
He said you are broods of

1287
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,080
Vipers.
Jesus would call them children

1288
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,960
of darkness, servants, children
of the devil, the seed of the

1289
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:36,480
devil, or Satan's seed.
And he would do that to the

1290
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:38,560
Pharisees that came from those
areas.

1291
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,960
So I'm trying to set this.
I'm trying to set this up a

1292
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,680
little bit the way they would
have seen it.

1293
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:48,120
I I just want to be clear here.
There is a doctrine called

1294
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:53,320
Serpent Seed which basically
says that Eve had intercourse

1295
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:55,760
with the devil and that's where
Cain came from, but we're not

1296
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:57,280
talking about.
We're not talking about.

1297
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:01,720
Lilith, this is all right.
This is all just figurative.

1298
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:05,280
So what happens when you don't
have the authority anymore?

1299
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,000
When the authority goes with
John the Baptist to his father,

1300
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:11,120
out to the Essenes and they're
out there in the wilderness,

1301
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,280
crying in the wilderness and
camel hair.

1302
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:16,600
You've got all the authorized
ones out there and the non

1303
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:18,760
authorized.
All of a sudden all this

1304
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:22,760
spiritual evil spirits in the
high places start coming in.

1305
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,080
I'm trying to give you a flavor
of John and a flavor of the

1306
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:27,600
Essenes.
I'm trying to give you that

1307
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:31,160
because Paul is going to be
taking it from the Gentiles

1308
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,760
perspective and he's going to be
saying we stand against

1309
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:35,560
spiritual wickedness in high
places.

1310
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:39,600
John the Baptist said would say,
I stand here and baptize you

1311
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,240
into the Kingdom of God.
The Messiah is coming and I'm

1312
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:44,240
not worthy to unloose his his
latch.

1313
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:45,960
And they say, but what are the
Pharisees?

1314
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,080
And he says they are a brood of
Vipers.

1315
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:52,440
That, that, that feeling and
that flow from that era.

1316
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:56,040
I just want you to feel I'm not
trying to take on so that you

1317
01:12:56,040 --> 01:13:01,880
know, I'm not trying to take on
any, any I family history wise.

1318
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:03,920
And I've told you this, I don't
want to get into it too much

1319
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:08,040
because I'm more for the remnant
of Israel than I am for anything

1320
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,680
else.
But I am not badgering my

1321
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:14,280
brethren who are Judaistic or
Mosaic in their outlook.

1322
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,720
I'm not.
I'm not looking to buy against

1323
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:20,160
the Jewish.
I'm saying be like Paul, be like

1324
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:23,200
John, be like Jesus, come to the
true covenant.

1325
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:27,120
I'm not saying let's go bash the
Judaistics.

1326
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,560
I'm not.
I'm not that I'm 12% Ashkenazi

1327
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:32,360
in it.
I'm not using that for any other

1328
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:35,680
reason.
Probably putting a a probably

1329
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:39,200
putting a bull's eye on my back
now, but I have a family history

1330
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,720
with that.
But the real, the real

1331
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,680
Israelites to me are the ones
that Jesus said, they're the

1332
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:46,680
remnant.
They're the one that you and I

1333
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:48,920
are going to go to.
We're probably part of that.

1334
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:52,640
So anyway, I don't want to, I
don't want to turn this into a,

1335
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,920
you're good, you're good.
So now let's shift gears.

1336
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:58,440
All right.
So like I said, as we switch

1337
01:13:58,440 --> 01:14:03,920
gears, I want to dive in to, I
think I told you, I just want to

1338
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,720
make sure the Hebrew translation
of these high places is Bam

1339
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,280
Romine.
And again, I'm chopping that up

1340
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:13,360
probably pretty brutally, but
it's the high places.

1341
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:15,120
It's it really is the high
places.

1342
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:20,920
So we're now talking about, I
believe, a temple covenant level

1343
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,360
of armor.
And so I want to take us into

1344
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,120
the temple covenant level of
armor.

1345
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:30,080
And to do that we need to kind
of explore two different

1346
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:32,360
sayings.
One saying is a direct quote

1347
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:35,560
from Paul.
It's gird the loins as to what

1348
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:40,840
that means and distinguish that
from girding up the loins.

1349
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,840
So girding up the loins versus
gird the loins because the the

1350
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,880
quote here isn't gird up your
loins with truth, it just says

1351
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,800
gird the loins with truth.
And I'm going to go through that

1352
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,440
and then we're going to end by
talking about how we cover our

1353
01:14:54,440 --> 01:14:56,920
loins with truth.
And then we'll end it here.

1354
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:01,880
And I'm hoping we can do it in
a, in a, not a speedy fashion,

1355
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:03,200
but in a, in a good.
Clip.

1356
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:05,480
But whatever it takes, we're
good.

1357
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:11,280
If I were to ask you say what do
you think is the most popular

1358
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:15,720
and not by population, but by
length of time, the most popular

1359
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:20,120
type of garment, just a single
garment, most popular for the

1360
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:22,760
longest amount of history, What
would you think that was?

1361
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:24,360
Would you think it's blue jeans
or what?

1362
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:28,520
What would you think?
Well, fortunately it wasn't bell

1363
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,640
bottoms, so we have that going
for us.

1364
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,600
Yeah.
So I would say probably, and

1365
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:37,360
given what we're talking about,
I would say the loincloth or

1366
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:41,600
loincloth, absolutely.
I'm going to focus on the

1367
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:46,040
longest running loincloth they
have, which is roughly a 2000

1368
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:49,080
year fashion statement.
It was used for 2000 years in

1369
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:52,680
variant forms, but the form
maintained its basic.

1370
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:56,680
It had went everything from just
a a piece of cloth hanging down

1371
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:01,280
in front of the genitals.
But the most used one, you have

1372
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,040
to turn it's, they had them
definitely.

1373
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:09,240
And in ancient Sumeria, they
obviously had them in Acadia and

1374
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:12,600
other areas of these places.
But the longest running that I

1375
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:14,640
could find was the Egyptian
Shanti.

1376
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:19,880
It's a everybody that watches TV
knows what a Shanti is.

1377
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:22,920
It's a fancy name for a kilt,
basically.

1378
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:28,360
Let's open up some of those
pictures and you'll see where.

1379
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,840
We at so here I'm showing, I
think it's the Egyptian one.

1380
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:34,360
It's the looks like black marble
and it's missing a leg.

1381
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,160
Yeah, that was a statue of
Ashanti.

1382
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,160
Let's go ahead and let me see
Loins of Truth.

1383
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:43,360
Let's go to the Shandit, OK?
And then?

1384
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:47,640
So that's the one in Egypt.
I'm showing the one on the

1385
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:52,480
Egyptian hieroglyphics.
The Egyptian hieroglyphics and

1386
01:16:52,480 --> 01:16:56,640
then it shows a couple of
lighter skinned gentlemen in an

1387
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,480
equivalent of a shandit.
So we got it right here.

1388
01:16:59,480 --> 01:17:00,480
It's up.
Yep.

1389
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:04,960
So could you believe that for
2000 years roughly from the Old

1390
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,360
Kingdom of Egypt through the New
Kingdom.

1391
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:12,720
So we'll say anywhere from about
1300 years to roughly 2000 that

1392
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:19,560
this was the prime wrap,
loincloth wrap for people in

1393
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:22,080
Egypt.
It it ran the longest that we

1394
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:23,320
know of.
Now, I'm not getting into a

1395
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:26,880
cross cultural because I'm sure
that we could find robes that

1396
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:30,760
lasted long, long, long time,
but I'm talking about girding

1397
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:34,440
the loins type of a garment.
What would last the longest?

1398
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,720
It would be this.
So this is a wrap.

1399
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:42,000
Let's kind of go through this
really fast and let's just kind

1400
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:46,760
of think together.
The the shindig or the loincloth

1401
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:49,440
was used in ancient Egypt for
three purposes.

1402
01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:52,160
First, it was to to cover the
loins.

1403
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,520
So they had everything from a
basic, just a cloth that would

1404
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:57,920
go down.
There was a lot at the slave

1405
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,920
class that some of the slaves
weren't even entitled to wear a

1406
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:04,040
garment.
The very simple slaves or even

1407
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:07,960
the more the more cultured
slaves were allowed to shindig

1408
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,360
just a garment that goes around
the loins to cover it.

1409
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:15,160
House and domestic servants,
high domestic servants, they

1410
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:17,880
would look like these two
Caucasian looking men.

1411
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:20,040
They would, they would be
wearing either that or the

1412
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:22,640
Egyptian hieroglyphic version of
it.

1413
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:27,360
That's what they would wear.
So if you're a servant, if you

1414
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:30,040
look at the things that I'm
showing you, do you see any

1415
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:32,560
belts anywhere?
What do you see?

1416
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,440
Is it just a wrap?
It's just a wrap.

1417
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,920
That's all I'm seeing.
It's absolutely a wrap.

1418
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:42,520
So historically, and I've
provided in the bibliography the

1419
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:47,240
books on this, There are two.
One focuses on archaeological,

1420
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:50,000
She's very good at that.
She does a very good job.

1421
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:54,040
And the other ones goes through
and analyzes the hieroglyphics

1422
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:56,760
in the writings and the
paintings and the carvings.

1423
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:01,960
But there was a distinguished
difference between what you

1424
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:06,160
would call domestic or house
slaves or house servants.

1425
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:09,680
We'll call them servants and
those that engaged in heavy,

1426
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,840
heavy labor or even in warfare
like soldiers.

1427
01:19:13,440 --> 01:19:17,320
So as you look through this,
you'll notice that there were

1428
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:21,280
belts that were either wrapped
in or tied around that would

1429
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:24,280
gird this shindig.
But if you were a House of

1430
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:28,280
domestic, if you are a house or
domestic, you would have been

1431
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:30,760
wrapped and tucked without a
belt.

1432
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:34,360
So a girding is a belt, it's a
censure.

1433
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:37,560
It's a, it's a, it's a tightly
bound, usually leather.

1434
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:41,400
It can be other materials, but
it's not a wrap.

1435
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:43,600
It's actually a girding of a
wrap.

1436
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:49,600
So I'm going to I'm going to
walk through this kind of simply

1437
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:53,080
kind of like a Descartian
methodology.

1438
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,520
So now you're a house domestic
servant and you're working

1439
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,880
inside the house and you're
taking things, you're washing

1440
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:02,760
people's feet at the Thor,
you're going out and you're

1441
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,520
shopping for the the foodstuffs,
bringing them back from market.

1442
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:09,160
You're going to look like these
two, basically these white, all

1443
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:11,640
of these people that don't have
any girdings on.

1444
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:14,840
You'll be doing that.
But.

1445
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,600
Just hanging out in your wrap.
Hanging out in your wrap.

1446
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:23,280
But let's say that you are an
overseer for Pharaoh's farms or

1447
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:27,200
his stone quarries or something
like that.

1448
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:30,400
That requires a little bit more
exertion, almost a quasi

1449
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,920
military role.
Do you think that they would

1450
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:36,120
just do wraps like this, or do
you think they'd put censures

1451
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:40,240
and belts on them?
I think you'd one couple things,

1452
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:42,000
right?
I think First off, you'd

1453
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:45,280
probably want something a little
heavier than just a wrap, right?

1454
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:49,160
So I'm thinking leather, a belt
to make sure it stays in place.

1455
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:51,560
You're going to be doing a lot
more than just carrying home the

1456
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:53,840
groceries, right?
So you're going to want to make

1457
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:57,360
sure that stuff stays in place.
If if we go to the next picture

1458
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:02,040
here, which is the the looks
like the Roman kind of armor

1459
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,160
there so to speak.
Right.

1460
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:07,720
Around the waist, that's what I
would imagine that would be

1461
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:11,120
more.
Like, OK, so in Egypt, yes, that

1462
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:16,480
the Roman armor, it's let me, I
don't want to mispronounce this

1463
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:19,440
stuff.
It's called teregies.

1464
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:23,680
That they're called teregies.
That those they're leather.

1465
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:25,680
They're basically leather straps
that come down.

1466
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:27,880
And there would be a lot more
than the picture you saw.

1467
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,480
They would actually be folded in
back and forth to protect the

1468
01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:34,800
loins in battle.
But the the Egyptian version, if

1469
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:39,160
you worked out in the fields as
a field hand, or let's say

1470
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:42,720
you're at your house and you're
relaxing and you're in your

1471
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:46,000
shenti, you're in your kilter,
you're your wrap and you have

1472
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:47,640
your wrap on.
And all of a sudden the

1473
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:51,400
supervisor of your battalion
comes in and says, we're going

1474
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:53,760
to war.
What do you think that the

1475
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:57,360
fastest way to convey that to a
person would be if you walked up

1476
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:00,280
to a fellow soldier who's
relaxing at his house in a

1477
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:05,120
neatly tucked shenti and just
engaging in domestic activities,

1478
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:08,320
and you have to tell them, hey,
we need to assemble and we need

1479
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:10,800
to go out into the field to
assemble because we're going up

1480
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:12,880
into the Hittites.
We're going to fight the Hattie

1481
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:15,480
up in up in the plains of
Israel.

1482
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:17,360
How do you think they would say
that?

1483
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:21,680
GERD up your loins.
They would get rid of the up and

1484
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:23,400
they would just say GERD the
loins.

1485
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:28,720
So now you're you're you're
working out in the cattle fields

1486
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:32,400
and you're pulling steer around
and you're a supervisor of those

1487
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:35,400
cattle and you have to bring the
men out and say, hey, we're

1488
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:38,240
going to be moving the cattle
couple of miles down the way.

1489
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:39,600
It's going to go through a bunch
of gates.

1490
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:41,800
We've got some properties here
and it's going to cross a small

1491
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,640
Creek.
How do you think that they would

1492
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:47,480
tell them that they're going to
exert hard work that day?

1493
01:22:47,480 --> 01:22:50,320
What would they tell those
people at their the night before

1494
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,280
at their house tomorrow?
We're going to do this so.

1495
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:55,840
Gird up gird, or gird up your
loins.

1496
01:22:56,240 --> 01:23:00,400
Gird the loins, they would say,
take a belt, take a belt, wrap

1497
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:03,440
your your wrap in that belt.
Gird the loins.

1498
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:06,800
The Egyptians wouldn't use the
up version.

1499
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:09,880
And I'll we're going to explain
that because the Israelites

1500
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:14,760
traditionally distinguished
themselves from Egyptians if

1501
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,880
they were free, not slaves.
If they were free, they had

1502
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:19,920
robes.
And so we're going to get into

1503
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:23,160
the girding, the girding up of
the loins, which is a different

1504
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:26,160
phrase.
So I want you to see it.

1505
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:30,040
I want you to see this, this
this kind of muscular looking

1506
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:33,400
leader of an army walking into
his battalion group or at

1507
01:23:33,480 --> 01:23:35,480
passing by the homes of his
captain.

1508
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:41,720
And all he does is he's like, he
talks to Nefaritu and Nefaritu

1509
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:43,800
gird the loins.
And he looks up and he knows

1510
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:47,640
exactly what that means.
OK, He wants me to put a girding

1511
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:50,240
loincloth on.
I'm probably going to bring my

1512
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:53,240
arrows, get the war chariot and
have a couple Spears ready.

1513
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:55,720
That's what gird the loins means
to them.

1514
01:23:56,600 --> 01:24:00,320
OK, The supervisor of the cattle
or whatever it is comes in and

1515
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,600
says, hey, it's not going to be
a light day today.

1516
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:04,720
It's going to be a tough day.
Gird the loins.

1517
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:07,840
That's.
Ancient time to put on your big

1518
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:09,920
boy pants.
Put on the big boy pants.

1519
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:13,840
Gird it with the belt.
Now I want to put AI want to put

1520
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:17,120
a pin in this because remember
that this went that slaves and

1521
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:19,400
domestics would not have
girdings.

1522
01:24:19,480 --> 01:24:21,600
They would just have simple
wraps, right?

1523
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:24,480
Put a pin in this because we're
going to come back and around to

1524
01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:27,400
it.
OK, you, you just remind me.

1525
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:30,800
Say hey, remember how you said
that the domestics only had

1526
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,680
wraps and they were only
especially the slaves.

1527
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:36,320
All they had was one piece of
clothing and it was a shandik or

1528
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:40,840
a wrap or a loincloth.
All right, let's go back to

1529
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:44,440
there.
So as you and I already stated,

1530
01:24:44,440 --> 01:24:47,480
we've been over this, the Roman
Terragies.

1531
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:51,520
The Roman Terragies is a
protection of the loin area

1532
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:56,280
using plated or on top of one on
top of another, below another.

1533
01:24:56,280 --> 01:25:00,240
And in some cases they would do
three stack, but they would gird

1534
01:25:00,480 --> 01:25:03,160
their they would gird the loins
all the way around with these

1535
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:07,480
leather straps that would have
weighted bolted metals to keep

1536
01:25:07,480 --> 01:25:10,960
it down.
This would stop swords from from

1537
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:14,560
slicing and cutting because it
would hit that, that rawhide,

1538
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:16,520
that heavy hide.
And I don't know if it's

1539
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:19,520
rawhide, but it was heavy hide
and it would stop the cuttings

1540
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:22,920
for it.
That's how the Romans that the

1541
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:27,760
Praetorian Guard when they were
bound to Paul, when he'd say the

1542
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:31,040
loins, they would say, oh man,
yeah, we don't have them on

1543
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:32,680
today.
We've just got our Roman skirt

1544
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:35,080
or tunics.
But yeah, look at them out there

1545
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:37,160
on the fields of Mars.
You can see them in their

1546
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,040
terrages.
They've girded the loins.

1547
01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:43,120
That's that would have been what
they would have saw when they

1548
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:46,200
said having your loins gird
about with truth.

1549
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:50,680
They would say, OK, we girt with
the terragies and he's girding

1550
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:53,520
the loins to protect the loins
and that's the terragies.

1551
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:56,400
So yes, the Romans had their
version for battle.

1552
01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:01,360
And as you see, the Terragies
had those belts, all of them had

1553
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:03,600
a belt sensor that would hold
that thing on so that they

1554
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,640
weren't loose.
Check.

1555
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:09,560
OK.
So it's it's incredibly

1556
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:14,600
important to see that the gird
to the girding of the loins

1557
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:18,760
means that the the loins are
held tight around by a wrap.

1558
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:21,480
It's not loose.
It's not domestic.

1559
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:25,240
Now you remember how I said I
was going to come back to to the

1560
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:27,480
point of the domestics?
Yes.

1561
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:30,600
What year you you remember
Joseph of Egypt?

1562
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:34,480
Yes, Joseph, I mean not
personally.

1563
01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:37,080
Sold, but but well, one day we
will.

1564
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:38,600
He's, he's definitely our
granddad.

1565
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:42,240
We're both, I, I would assume
we're both, you know, we're both

1566
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:48,240
Ephraim Ephraim.
So Grandpa Joseph of Egypt was

1567
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:50,480
sold into slavery into
Potiphar's house.

1568
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:54,160
And while in Potiphar's house,
he was a slave and a domestic

1569
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:55,920
and a Butler.
The chief Butler is what they

1570
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:59,200
said.
He hung out as a domestic at the

1571
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:03,040
house as a slave.
How many garments do you think

1572
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:06,640
he would have?
One 2-3 How many would he have

1573
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:08,920
I.
Have no idea man.

1574
01:27:09,480 --> 01:27:12,800
As a slave, he would have one,
he would have one garment.

1575
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:16,840
It would be a shentig, and he's
not royalty so they wouldn't

1576
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:20,040
have the nice plated ones like
you see Pharaoh wearing later in

1577
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:22,200
the later kingdoms.
It would be a wrap.

1578
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:25,440
So now I just want to tease out
this idea.

1579
01:27:25,440 --> 01:27:28,400
I'm giving you some insight.
Remember Potiphar's wife?

1580
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:33,200
Potiphar's wife made several
advances against Joseph.

1581
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:35,600
And being young and
inexperienced, he just pushed

1582
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:38,040
her away.
She cornered him one time.

1583
01:27:38,440 --> 01:27:41,040
She cornered him and said, lay
with me.

1584
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:43,520
And he's saying, how can I do
this great evil?

1585
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:47,400
They said.
She grabbed upon his garment.

1586
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,320
She grabbed.
Upon his garment, and he's a

1587
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:54,400
slave.
He only has one that garment.

1588
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:58,800
Do you think it was girded up as
a domestic and a slave was not

1589
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:00,280
girded up?
Probably not.

1590
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:05,440
And as he ran away from her, she
would have had a hold of it

1591
01:28:05,440 --> 01:28:09,200
sufficient that it would have
fallen off and our dear

1592
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:11,960
grandfather would have been
running through the House

1593
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:15,640
Commando or in the buff.
I don't want to be rude about

1594
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:17,360
it.
He'd be running about the

1595
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:20,320
household in the buff.
She would be holding on to an

1596
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,960
incriminating piece of evidence
that she would have to do

1597
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:26,080
something about.
And she began to scream.

1598
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:29,920
She said, behold, behold, I have
the garment of the man that

1599
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,280
tried to violate me or however
she said it.

1600
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:37,000
Check.
This is why the girding and he

1601
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:40,240
didn't have a choice.
The the reason I'm telling you

1602
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:44,080
this is had he had a girding
which he wouldn't have had as a

1603
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:48,360
slave, but let's say he was in
the higher echelons, like later

1604
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:51,800
on when he became viceroy.
If he had girdings about his

1605
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:56,240
loins, had Potiphar's wife
grabbed onto him and he ran, it

1606
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:58,720
would have been very unlikely
that she would have had a hold

1607
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:00,160
of his garment at the end of the
day.

1608
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:02,840
Do you see the difference?
Yep.

1609
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:06,200
Nope, I see.
So when you gird the loins, you

1610
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:08,680
gird the loins with truth.
And in the case of Potiphar's

1611
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:12,400
wife, had those loins been
girded, we would have a much

1612
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:16,880
different story than him going
to possibly, we don't know of

1613
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:19,160
him going to the to jail for all
those years.

1614
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:22,680
So gird the loins.
Did you see the depth of that?

1615
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:24,160
Gird the loins.
I do.

1616
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:27,240
So he didn't have a choice.
Not saying that he did that on

1617
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:29,600
purpose.
He was domestic and probably

1618
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,320
right around the beginning of
the Middle Kingdom, end of the

1619
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:36,240
First or the Old Kingdom.
So now we're going to get to

1620
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:39,440
where I wanted to go, and I'm
happy to do this.

1621
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:42,560
Let's talk a little bit about
girding up the loins.

1622
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:46,320
And I know most LDS know about
this, so can you share?

1623
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:50,040
I'd like you to because you
share with us what girding up

1624
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:54,480
the loins means to an Israelite
under the Mosaic Law.

1625
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:01,600
I would, I would.
I girding up the loins and

1626
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:03,160
you're taking.
The loins and you're girding it

1627
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:04,240
up.
Do you do you know I'm, I'm not

1628
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:06,240
trying to put you on the spot.
Do you know what it means?

1629
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:09,200
Not exactly.
Why don't you illuminate that,

1630
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:13,080
OK?
So in ancient Israel, it's going

1631
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:17,880
to be in the areas of Exodus.
And I have a picture of all the

1632
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:20,360
chapters.
It'll be Exodus, I believe 28

1633
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:24,120
parts of 29.
There'll be some numbers judges

1634
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:26,600
for Samuel.
They talk about all the holy

1635
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:30,000
clothing, but of all the
clothing, there are two pieces

1636
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:32,280
of clothes, especially at the
time.

1637
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:35,160
All right, let's, let's move it
back a little bit further.

1638
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:38,200
Have you had a chance yet to
read the Joseph Smith

1639
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:43,280
translation of the Bible?
I parts of it, I haven't gone

1640
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:46,240
through the whole Bible right.
I've I've hit the hit the

1641
01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:48,720
highlights.
So the key ones that I know for

1642
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:51,680
sure he changed.
The King James version has this,

1643
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:54,440
but nothing makes it more clear
to us than the than the King

1644
01:30:54,440 --> 01:30:56,800
James version.
I mean, some of those passages

1645
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:59,520
are so beautiful.
You got Genesis 14.

1646
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:04,080
Genesis 50 is incredible because
he he predicts the birth of both

1647
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:10,040
Moses and Joseph Smith Junior,
both of them in in JST 50.

1648
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:17,080
But what I'm, what I'm bringing
up here is, oh, it just went

1649
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:21,400
right out of my head.
I'll, I'll get back to it.

1650
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:23,600
I'll get back to it.
But there are two, there are two

1651
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:27,000
types of clothing that the
Israelites would have worn.

1652
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:29,280
They would have been shepherds
in Egypt.

1653
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:34,840
Pharaoh and all of the ruling
classes looked down on, on

1654
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:36,560
shepherds.
They were considered an

1655
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:40,360
abomination to the Egyptians.
So if you came into Egypt and

1656
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:42,040
said, Hey, what's your
profession?

1657
01:31:42,440 --> 01:31:44,440
And you said, I'm a shepherd of
sheep and cattle.

1658
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:48,320
They would go, oh, oh, ho, ho,
yeah.

1659
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:50,840
And they they'd look over at
Joseph and Joseph would said,

1660
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:52,720
hey, we could take him up to
Goshen.

1661
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:54,480
We could put him in Goshen if
you like.

1662
01:31:54,480 --> 01:31:56,520
They could be.
And he goes, I'll do you one

1663
01:31:56,520 --> 01:32:00,280
better than that.
Let's have them be the leader of

1664
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:04,520
Pharaoh's cattle.
He he made Joseph the leader of

1665
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:06,680
Pharaoh's cattle.
He because he told him he was a

1666
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:09,840
shepherd from birth.
But they looked down on

1667
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:11,240
shepherds.
They were considered an

1668
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:15,560
abomination to to Egyptians,
that means rednecks, low, low

1669
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:19,720
class that they look down on.
Shepherds traditionally wear

1670
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:23,280
robes, especially those that are
Canaanites that come out of the

1671
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:26,320
land of Canaan that we know of
as Israel.

1672
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:33,040
Now, they wore robes in the in
the testaments, in the Old

1673
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:36,320
Testament, there are several
articles of clothing that

1674
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:39,800
discuss these things, but of all
of it, there are two.

1675
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:44,760
The first is a set of britches.
They're called linen britches or

1676
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:46,920
breeches.
That's what we call them in

1677
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:49,840
English.
They're called the Mishnah sahim

1678
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:52,840
in Hebrew.
And again, I probably tortured

1679
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:56,000
that word.
You have a picture of that, that

1680
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:57,520
if you want to put it up, you
can.

1681
01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:03,760
These linen britches were
considered a wrap and if used in

1682
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:11,480
tandem with the Godol Kohanites,
the Godol Kohan Kohanim, which

1683
01:33:11,480 --> 01:33:15,520
are the high priests of the
Levites, there are 8 pieces of

1684
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:19,440
articles of clothing for a high
priest under the Law of Moses.

1685
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:23,680
But even concurrent or at the
time of the leaving of Israel,

1686
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:26,800
it would have been known that
the Jews would have

1687
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:29,480
distinguished themselves from
Egyptians by robes.

1688
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:32,320
They would have worn robes.
They would have considered

1689
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:36,600
loincloths not beneath them, but
that would have been gentile,

1690
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:39,120
stranger to them.
So.

1691
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:41,680
The free Israelites would have
robes.

1692
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:46,960
So from the time of Israel, they
are told when they want to leave

1693
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:50,560
in haste, when you want to run
really fast, when you want to

1694
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:54,560
have free movement about the
loins, they are told to gird up

1695
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:57,880
their robes.
So they take their robes, they

1696
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:00,920
pull them back, they wrap them
around, and then there's two

1697
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:04,360
pieces that they will bring and
tie, usually around a belt in

1698
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:08,320
the middle and it will gird up
the robe all the way up.

1699
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:10,920
It'll gird it all the way up the
legs.

1700
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:13,000
That's called girding up the
loins.

1701
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:16,440
And you'll see that it's not
exclusive, but pretty much

1702
01:34:16,440 --> 01:34:19,840
exclusive for our purposes to
our people, the Israelites.

1703
01:34:20,480 --> 01:34:24,600
So now when the Israel, when,
when, when you're when Aaron

1704
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:28,200
comes out and says, Moses says
we're ready, gird up the loins.

1705
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,560
What do you think gird up the
loins meant to the Israelites?

1706
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:34,560
When when Aaron came around and
said, gird the gird up your

1707
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:37,680
loins, Moses said we're ready.
What does that mean to them?

1708
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:40,800
Probably either they're moving
or they're going to war.

1709
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:44,320
They're, they're going to be
leaving Egypt very fast.

1710
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:47,200
You guys are going to walk not
slowly in robes.

1711
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:50,080
You're going to be scooting it
out of there and you're going to

1712
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:52,640
be doing it with a high hand
because you, you took and

1713
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:54,960
borrowed their jewels because
you have to go worship the Lord.

1714
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,880
You got out in the desert just
like Pharaoh said that Moses

1715
01:34:57,880 --> 01:34:59,480
could.
They're going to come out with a

1716
01:34:59,480 --> 01:35:04,160
high hand holding gold, silver,
jewels, rubies, and they're

1717
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:07,120
going to wrap or gird up the
loins and they're going to walk

1718
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:08,760
fast.
They're going to be like, let's

1719
01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:12,360
scoot this down the road.
Let's get 50 clicks 50 miles

1720
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:15,360
down the way before Pharaoh
knows what's going on.

1721
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:16,920
It's called girding up the
loins.

1722
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:20,600
So yes, you'd go to war.
You move around really fast or

1723
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:24,200
if you're doing heavy, heavy,
heavy types of of work.

1724
01:35:24,360 --> 01:35:27,800
In Israel, a person that would
have girded the loins a lot is a

1725
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:31,160
priest that we know is Samson.
He would have gird up his loins

1726
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:33,800
because he would have that
jawbone of the, of the donkey

1727
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:36,320
and he would have gone out and
fought people and he wouldn't

1728
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:38,480
have done it in his robes.
He would have gird them up

1729
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:41,240
around his loins.
He would have run around.

1730
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:45,560
So now that we know those two
phrases, now that we've kind of

1731
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:48,440
done a background and we
realized Paul's talking at least

1732
01:35:48,440 --> 01:35:51,600
about spiritual armor and
possibly, certainly temple

1733
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:54,760
ceilings and temple things that
that started all this.

1734
01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:59,520
I'd like to get into the final
kind of thing here and talk a

1735
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:03,760
little bit about the Israelite
holy clothing as where we get

1736
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:07,960
our Mormon holy garments from.
We get we, as you know, we wear

1737
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:11,440
holy clothing.
We have we wear holy clothing.

1738
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:15,600
The Israelites were told to wear
holy clothing a clothing as

1739
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:19,360
well.
And there are four basic for the

1740
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:23,200
priests.
There are four basic pieces of

1741
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:25,920
holy clothing.
There are 8 pieces for the

1742
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:27,760
highest of the of the high
priest.

1743
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:32,440
They're called the they're
called the Godol Kohanites or

1744
01:36:32,440 --> 01:36:34,320
Kohanim is what they would call
it.

1745
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:37,160
So let me pull open the Lev
Leem.

1746
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:39,840
I've got the britch breeches
there.

1747
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:42,160
You're going to want to see
this.

1748
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:48,920
OK, So for a high priest, there
would be the the hosen, which is

1749
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:50,480
the tunic.
It's the robe.

1750
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:54,760
There would be the mishnasahim,
the britches or the breeches,

1751
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:58,240
the linen breeches.
There'd be a sash or a girdle, A

1752
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:00,360
woven sash, which would serve as
a belt.

1753
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:03,400
And there'd be the Mizna fet,
which is the mitre or the

1754
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:06,240
headdress that we know.
It's, it's kind of a back then

1755
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:07,960
it was a tall turban looking
thing.

1756
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:12,400
Now the high high priest, they
would add to that an additional

1757
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:15,240
ephod, which was an embroidered
apron garment.

1758
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:19,600
They would put what they call
the Cochin, which is a Brit, A

1759
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:22,360
breastplate.
And then they have the meal, the

1760
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:26,000
robe and it's Aziz, which is the
golden forehead plate.

1761
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:28,960
It would look like a tiara.
They have this gold tiara that

1762
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:32,640
goes right underneath their
mitre that says holy to the Lord

1763
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:35,520
and it's it's it would be a gold
plate on there.

1764
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:38,520
So those are the very highest of
their priests, but all the

1765
01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:40,520
priests would have worn at least
four.

1766
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:44,400
I want to talk about because you
asked me to talk about the

1767
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:47,080
loins.
The loins are gird about by the

1768
01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:50,800
Mishnasahim, the britches, what
you would call the lower

1769
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:54,200
portions of your garments.
I know that you're a onesie, but

1770
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:59,080
I, because I'm an independent,
I, I wear, I wear the earliest

1771
01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:02,200
form of Joseph Smith had.
They're basically they're,

1772
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:06,640
they're breathable cotton long
Johns, two piece with them with

1773
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:10,040
all the marks in them.
So the Mishnah Sahim, the

1774
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:12,080
britches are what cover the
loins.

1775
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:15,680
That's what that's what the Jews
would cover their loins with,

1776
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:18,720
especially the priests.
And there are a lot of reasons

1777
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:21,680
that they would do it.
And the reasons that they would

1778
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:26,440
do it is to provide holiness.
Holiness to the Lord is the

1779
01:38:26,440 --> 01:38:31,080
reason that they wore these holy
clothing, purity and chastity,

1780
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:33,520
the Mishnah Saeem.
And even now they wear it.

1781
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:36,600
If you were to have a close
enough relationship with a very

1782
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:40,520
pious leader amongst the Jewish
community and you and they

1783
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:43,560
somehow would talk to you about
the Mishnah Saeem, they would be

1784
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:46,600
private conversation.
They would tell you things like

1785
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:51,560
the Mishnah Saeem, the britches.
Actually, they atone for sexual

1786
01:38:51,560 --> 01:38:54,480
impurity.
If you get certain fluids on you

1787
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:59,200
that are natural to living in a
married capacity, the

1788
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:02,520
Mishnasaim, after you've
cleansed yourself ritually, they

1789
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:05,320
purify and atone for any
impurities that are upon you.

1790
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:08,240
They believe in spiritual
purities called ritual.

1791
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:12,280
So when you become defiled,
there are spirits around you

1792
01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:14,400
that are defiled spirits.
You got to get rid of them

1793
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:19,120
through ritual purification.
The Mishnasaim breaches get rid

1794
01:39:19,120 --> 01:39:21,960
of those impurities.
That's what the and that's in

1795
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:24,320
the Talmud.
That's that's Judaic thought and

1796
01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:29,920
it's very, very old, very old.
So we as LDS, whom I believe are

1797
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:33,120
the lawful heirs and to the
covenant, we are the seat of

1798
01:39:33,120 --> 01:39:36,200
Zadok that's been scattered
amongst the Gentiles.

1799
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:41,200
We have our own holy clothing
patterned after this, and we

1800
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:44,800
also have our temple clothing,
which is almost identical save

1801
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:48,160
only the disease.
The golden forehead plate, the

1802
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:51,640
the tiara forehead plate, That's
the only thing we're missing.

1803
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:56,800
We have everything and we've had
it for hundreds of years, OK?

1804
01:39:56,800 --> 01:39:59,440
Right.
We're going to get into the

1805
01:39:59,440 --> 01:40:02,840
Mishnah, Sahim, the britches.
We're going to talk about

1806
01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:08,360
clothing or covering the loins
with an armor of God.

1807
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:10,280
And this is where I wanted to
go.

1808
01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:12,440
This is where we were always
going.

1809
01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:16,120
Do you remember the washings?
Do you do you remember instead?

1810
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:21,240
Do you remember the loins?
OK, I don't want to get on into

1811
01:40:21,240 --> 01:40:24,360
this online because this is a
podcast with a lot of people.

1812
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:25,920
Most notably, you know, we'll
have members.

1813
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:28,440
But you know, gentiles that can
get confused.

1814
01:40:29,480 --> 01:40:33,560
Remember those blessings when I
tell you that your posterity is

1815
01:40:33,560 --> 01:40:36,920
the truth of your loins.
There are there are other

1816
01:40:36,920 --> 01:40:39,400
truths.
There's intimacy, There's love.

1817
01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:43,000
But intimacy and love are tools
for a posterity.

1818
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:47,040
Right.
The posterity is what the Lord

1819
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:48,960
wants.
And if you go into the the final

1820
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:51,520
covenant power on the
priesthood, I'll leave it at

1821
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:55,160
that, that final covenant at the
veil, it's going to be upon you

1822
01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:59,080
and upon your posterity.
And I'm saying that the truth of

1823
01:40:59,080 --> 01:41:03,440
your loins, the very, very truth
of your loins, is the raising up

1824
01:41:03,440 --> 01:41:06,440
of righteous posterity to the
Lord, even to the Father.

1825
01:41:06,440 --> 01:41:10,320
You're plurally married, so you
are under the guidance of

1826
01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:12,320
raising a posterity to the
Father.

1827
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:15,000
That's where you are in your
plural capacity.

1828
01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:19,880
I'm saying you asked me to come
here and to talk about the loins

1829
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:23,800
of truth for you.
The loins of truth is Asher.

1830
01:41:24,160 --> 01:41:27,840
That's the loin of truth.
That's the exact truth of your

1831
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:30,120
loins.
And you are clothed about to

1832
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:34,200
that purpose by covenant.
I've spent so much time trying

1833
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:36,400
to get us here.
I'd like to spend a couple

1834
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:39,160
minutes here either answering
questions or talking to you

1835
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:42,280
about that.
But I testify to you that if you

1836
01:41:42,280 --> 01:41:45,760
girt your loins about with
truth, then you will raise up a

1837
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:49,240
posterity to the Father.
I further testify to you that

1838
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:53,240
that can and only will be done
according to plural celestial

1839
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:55,040
marriage.
That is not a cut to

1840
01:41:55,040 --> 01:41:58,080
monogamists.
That is a hopeful expectation

1841
01:41:58,520 --> 01:42:02,360
included within myself.
I'm I'm a lone man up here in

1842
01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:07,160
the wilderness up in Alaska.
Yet I believe and I'm saying to

1843
01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:10,920
girt your loins with truth is to
fully activate those cleansing

1844
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:14,200
blessings of the washing and
then the garment that was

1845
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:18,200
provided to you to cover your
loins for that specific truth.

1846
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:22,800
And the law of chastity is a is
an absolute commandment for

1847
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:24,960
that.
We can't get close to the veil

1848
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:27,160
unless we make those chastity
vows.

1849
01:42:27,480 --> 01:42:31,600
And chasteness is not celibacy.
It's to raise the posterity of

1850
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:33,360
the Lord.
I wish that we were in the

1851
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:35,560
temple right now.
I would tell you my whole heart,

1852
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:37,360
I would tell you everything
about it.

1853
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:41,680
But I want the, I want every
listener to understand that

1854
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:45,360
chasteness is the raising of
posterity to the Father.

1855
01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:49,800
It is not celibacy.
Celibacy is chastity prior to

1856
01:42:49,800 --> 01:42:53,200
that arrangement, but after that
arrangement, it's the raising of

1857
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:56,320
the seed to the Father.
And it's been specified in our

1858
01:42:56,320 --> 01:42:58,200
holy works.
In the Book of Mormon, it says

1859
01:42:58,200 --> 01:43:01,200
that the Father desireth of the
Lord desireth to raise up seed

1860
01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:03,920
to the Father.
Then it is, and it's been in our

1861
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:06,720
Doctrine and Covenants and in
all of our sacred writings.

1862
01:43:07,400 --> 01:43:10,280
But I'm saying that the first
thing Paul talked about was the

1863
01:43:10,280 --> 01:43:13,960
loins of truth, and he talked
about it having been thrown out

1864
01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:18,560
of a temple by a brood of Vipers
that tried to use conspiracy,

1865
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:22,160
cabal and deception to confuse
the public.

1866
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:25,400
They threw him out of a temple.
He sat down with the Roman

1867
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:29,640
Praetorian Guard, used this
metaphor, and the first thing he

1868
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:34,000
said is he said gird the loins.
Gird the loins with truth.

1869
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:37,120
Know that you are bringing a
holy seat of posterity to the

1870
01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:39,120
Lord on this earth through your
faith.

1871
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:42,280
And brother, I've pretty much
said everything I've needed to

1872
01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:44,520
say tonight.
Is there anything else you want

1873
01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:47,480
to talk about with me?
You know, you kind of took it

1874
01:43:47,480 --> 01:43:49,360
the same direction I was going
to.

1875
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:51,440
So I I think we're on to
something.

1876
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:54,160
I want to say this in no
uncertain terms.

1877
01:43:54,160 --> 01:43:58,280
So everybody understands.
Look, if you got kids under the

1878
01:43:58,280 --> 01:44:01,960
age of about 13, you might want
to stop here until it's just the

1879
01:44:01,960 --> 01:44:04,480
adults in the room because we're
going to talk about a few

1880
01:44:04,480 --> 01:44:07,200
sensitive things here.
OK?

1881
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:13,320
Hopefully you heated that.
So there's a man I go to church

1882
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:16,880
with in Missouri who says that
with each priesthood advancement

1883
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:19,120
or ordinance, you can't sin as
cheaply.

1884
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:23,600
Meaning that if you mess up bad
after taking covenants, the

1885
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:27,240
repercussions will be more
severe without the atonement and

1886
01:44:27,240 --> 01:44:29,720
without sincere, humble
repentance.

1887
01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:33,640
So if you are a threat to the
adversaries plan, if you've

1888
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:36,840
taken those covenants, you can
bet you'll be a target.

1889
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:41,440
Now we are absolutely in a
spiritual war.

1890
01:44:41,440 --> 01:44:44,680
It's not a physical war.
Nobody pick up any weapons.

1891
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:47,120
This is a spiritual war we're
talking about.

1892
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:51,200
If this spiritual war was a
chess game, he wants to take you

1893
01:44:51,200 --> 01:44:53,840
off the board.
And look, he's not dumb.

1894
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:58,320
He is good at his job.
One of the ways he gets people

1895
01:44:58,320 --> 01:45:00,480
off the board is by sexual
temptation.

1896
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:04,000
It's a strong feeling that has
the ability to cloud our

1897
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:06,520
judgement.
And this is not a new thing.

1898
01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:09,520
He has been doing this for as
long as there have been people

1899
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:11,160
of God trying to do the right
thing.

1900
01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:14,840
We only have to look back at the
Old Testament, at the Old Gods,

1901
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:17,520
right?
Let's just say that in Israel,

1902
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:21,640
you have a piece of ground that
or you know, let's just say

1903
01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:23,760
you're in in a bit of a drought,
right?

1904
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:29,520
Whatever reason, you decide to
skip the God of Abraham, Isaac

1905
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:34,120
and Jacob and go straight to to
like Canaanite gods, which is

1906
01:45:34,120 --> 01:45:37,120
what Israel did.
So first they would turn the

1907
01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:41,040
ball and they would turn part of
the thing they would do is that

1908
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:44,760
they would turn their fields
back feral and that was kind of

1909
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:49,120
like an offering, right?
When that didn't work, then they

1910
01:45:49,120 --> 01:45:52,560
would go into something way
darker, which was essentially

1911
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:56,920
like, and I even hate saying it
was they were rich ritualistic

1912
01:45:56,920 --> 01:46:03,120
orgies and it was done usually
under the name of of Ishtar Isis

1913
01:46:03,120 --> 01:46:05,000
Anana.
They're the same goddess.

1914
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:07,360
They're just in different
representation.

1915
01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:11,400
And she was known for being able
to shift between genders.

1916
01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:13,680
Like should start sounding kind
of familiar.

1917
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:21,000
And so they would have these,
these ritualistic orgies and

1918
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:24,360
they would, the only rule was
you, you just couldn't be with

1919
01:46:24,360 --> 01:46:29,280
your spouse essentially.
And then what would end up

1920
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:33,880
happening always is that you
would get unwanted pregnancies

1921
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:38,080
from that because in ancient
Israel, who the dad of that baby

1922
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:41,360
is carries a lot of weight.
It still does today.

1923
01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:45,200
And so if you're not sure of the
parentage, you're, you're kind

1924
01:46:45,200 --> 01:46:47,640
of, you know, a little stumped
here, right.

1925
01:46:48,200 --> 01:46:55,320
Well not to worry the those
priests have a a fix in mind and

1926
01:46:55,320 --> 01:47:00,120
as the conditions would
deteriorate, drought would turn

1927
01:47:00,120 --> 01:47:04,480
to famine and people were
hungry, they would then OfferUp

1928
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:10,080
children as a sacrifice to the
God Moloch and that was supposed

1929
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:14,240
to incur favor from the gods and
end the famine.

1930
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:20,400
So we have to ask the question
that can't be going on today,

1931
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:23,960
right?
Well, I disagree.

1932
01:47:24,440 --> 01:47:27,360
If we look at the modern
environmentalist movement, they

1933
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:30,040
want to move people from the
country into the cities.

1934
01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:32,520
And why?
So they can turn the land back.

1935
01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:35,520
Farrell Because people are bad
and people mess up the

1936
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:39,120
environment.
Then if we just look at what's

1937
01:47:39,120 --> 01:47:42,520
going on in the cities, right?
To me, it looks like a lot of,

1938
01:47:42,520 --> 01:47:46,200
if it feels good, do it right,
All inhibition on sexual

1939
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:48,640
activity is thrown out the
window.

1940
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:53,680
And what's the result?
Yeah, unwanted pregnancies.

1941
01:47:54,760 --> 01:47:59,760
And so they refer back to
killing the innocent through

1942
01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:04,200
abortion.
Now, what was the end result in

1943
01:48:04,200 --> 01:48:06,240
Israel?
It was less food.

1944
01:48:06,440 --> 01:48:10,000
It was a class family unit.
And it was the death of the next

1945
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:13,280
generation.
What will be the outcome here

1946
01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:17,200
for us?
You know, 2000 years, 3000 years

1947
01:48:17,200 --> 01:48:19,720
later, it's going to be pretty
consistent.

1948
01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:22,320
It's going to be less food,
collapse of the family and the

1949
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:25,320
abortion slash death of the next
generation.

1950
01:48:26,480 --> 01:48:29,880
See the adversary, he doesn't
care if you invoke the names of

1951
01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:33,920
the ancient Canaanite deity.
He is far more concerned with

1952
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:36,880
getting you to practice what was
done back then.

1953
01:48:38,200 --> 01:48:43,200
So we as a as a society at large
are still worshipping them.

1954
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:46,640
The only difference is is that
it's been repackaged for modern

1955
01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:50,440
consumption.
But despite the names, the

1956
01:48:50,440 --> 01:48:55,800
results are still the same.
Hunger, a collapsed family unit,

1957
01:48:57,120 --> 01:48:59,120
and death always waits at the
door.

1958
01:48:59,480 --> 01:49:04,960
Always.
One of the ways he will do that

1959
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:10,880
to to men especially, again not
exclusively but especially, is

1960
01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:13,360
through sexual temptation.
Absolutely.

1961
01:49:14,280 --> 01:49:20,120
And we live in a day and age now
where you want to find a list of

1962
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:21,880
images.
You don't have to go look.

1963
01:49:21,880 --> 01:49:22,920
And they'll, they'll come to
you.

1964
01:49:23,680 --> 01:49:28,120
They'll come to you.
You know, you want to be tempted

1965
01:49:28,120 --> 01:49:30,640
in the flesh.
That too will happen.

1966
01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:35,280
And so it's going to become
extremely important that you

1967
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:38,960
guard the sacred powers of
procreation to be used only

1968
01:49:38,960 --> 01:49:40,680
within the bounds that the Lord
has set.

1969
01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:45,840
Yeah.
Because the second you do that,

1970
01:49:46,360 --> 01:49:49,800
the second you cross that line,
especially if you've taken out

1971
01:49:49,800 --> 01:49:53,400
covenants, you're off the board
at least for a little while till

1972
01:49:53,400 --> 01:49:58,080
you can fully repent.
And so I think as we go forward

1973
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:01,440
here, and I love what you said
about girding your loins with

1974
01:50:01,440 --> 01:50:09,000
truth is the is, is both having
children as well as the raising

1975
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:13,560
of that posterity up in the
truth of God to teach them to go

1976
01:50:13,560 --> 01:50:19,760
after those covenants that we've
made in the temple, to present a

1977
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:24,960
posterity to the Lord that you
have worked endlessly for, even

1978
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:27,040
if they've decided to come along
or not.

1979
01:50:28,240 --> 01:50:33,560
I I feel to say and agree with
you, if you laden yourself down

1980
01:50:33,560 --> 01:50:36,760
with sexual sin, you throw that
sin upon your children and

1981
01:50:36,760 --> 01:50:39,520
that's known in the Bible.
So what you're doing is those

1982
01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:43,400
sins don't just lay upon your
spirit or your fabric or the,

1983
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:47,240
the, the energy upon you which
you or life sustains.

1984
01:50:47,400 --> 01:50:49,240
It passes and flows to your
children.

1985
01:50:49,440 --> 01:50:52,560
It talks about children born of
fornication.

1986
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:53,840
They call them children of
wrath.

1987
01:50:54,440 --> 01:50:56,320
And it talks about other types
of things.

1988
01:50:56,320 --> 01:50:59,720
And we've talked about how
spiritual warfare is what Paul's

1989
01:50:59,720 --> 01:51:03,440
talking about.
If you take loosely your

1990
01:51:03,440 --> 01:51:07,280
covenants and expect to raid
seed up to the Lord, what you're

1991
01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:11,960
doing is ladling temptation upon
future posterity with your

1992
01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:13,920
mistakes.
We see it with David and

1993
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:16,240
Solomon.
David chooses Solomon.

1994
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:18,400
You can see it's called the sins
of the father, sins of the

1995
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:20,000
children.
Now we don't believe that

1996
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:23,360
children will be responsible for
their parents sin, but I do

1997
01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:26,280
believe that there are
intergenerational posterity.

1998
01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:31,160
The the problem can be overcome
through Christ, but it it is

1999
01:51:31,160 --> 01:51:33,960
latently there.
If you want to go out and be

2000
01:51:33,960 --> 01:51:37,160
promiscuous and expect your
children to take the covenant

2001
01:51:37,160 --> 01:51:39,640
seriously, you're in for a rude
awakening.

2002
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:43,640
You have to obey the law to
raise them up to the Lord, to

2003
01:51:43,640 --> 01:51:46,160
have them take it as seriously
as you do.

2004
01:51:46,360 --> 01:51:49,280
Children are so so unique and
smart.

2005
01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:52,520
They will smell out intention
over words each time.

2006
01:51:53,080 --> 01:51:54,880
They will know do as I say, not
as I do.

2007
01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:57,480
They will watch you.
They will see you in the garage.

2008
01:51:57,680 --> 01:51:59,920
They will they will hear you.
They will feel you.

2009
01:51:59,920 --> 01:52:02,120
They will know what you're
saying as you're going down the

2010
01:52:02,120 --> 01:52:03,960
road.
They're going to say dad says

2011
01:52:03,960 --> 01:52:07,840
this, Dad does this.
I'm doing what dad does because

2012
01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:10,360
I love dad.
And I agree with you, man.

2013
01:52:10,440 --> 01:52:15,240
If we're going to step it up, I
also further believe that people

2014
01:52:15,240 --> 01:52:19,240
need to gear their desires to
the procreation on the raising

2015
01:52:19,240 --> 01:52:22,240
up of seed, which means they
need to step it up a little bit

2016
01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:26,600
so that the desire is geared in
that direction when it comes.

2017
01:52:26,680 --> 01:52:30,200
When they say this is a woman,
that's very, very alluring to

2018
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:32,120
me.
And you say that's fantastic.

2019
01:52:32,200 --> 01:52:34,360
Why?
Why?

2020
01:52:34,880 --> 01:52:38,800
And you go, well, I there is no
I that what is the reason?

2021
01:52:39,120 --> 01:52:42,760
Because if the reason is long
term, forever, then you're going

2022
01:52:42,760 --> 01:52:46,560
to have the right point of view.
And it all blends in the

2023
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:48,600
physicality and the rest of it.
So I love what you're saying.

2024
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:52,160
The Saints do need to do that,
and it is the fastest way to get

2025
01:52:52,160 --> 01:52:55,200
you sidelined, a sexual sin.
The Lord took down one of the

2026
01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:58,080
greatest of our kingly prophets,
David.

2027
01:52:58,600 --> 01:53:01,480
He had salvation, but he lost
his exaltation because of his

2028
01:53:01,480 --> 01:53:04,400
nonsense.
He lost his wives.

2029
01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:07,000
Yeah.
And the Lord will do that.

2030
01:53:07,160 --> 01:53:09,120
No joke.
Straight up Nathan came in and

2031
01:53:09,120 --> 01:53:11,240
said, boom, here's the lamb,
here's this, here's that.

2032
01:53:11,360 --> 01:53:18,040
Your wives are gone, you know.
100% and, and look, we're at a

2033
01:53:18,040 --> 01:53:21,680
time now where we're dealing
with more than just, I can't

2034
01:53:21,680 --> 01:53:27,440
even believe I got to say this
more than just normal sexual

2035
01:53:27,440 --> 01:53:30,360
temptation.
We got all sorts of stuff out

2036
01:53:30,360 --> 01:53:35,000
there now, right?
And there's no doubt if we look

2037
01:53:35,200 --> 01:53:40,240
at what's happening with the
LGBTQ, LGBTQ agenda.

2038
01:53:40,520 --> 01:53:42,920
And I want to be careful here
because there are people who

2039
01:53:42,920 --> 01:53:46,280
struggle with those feelings of
same sex attraction.

2040
01:53:46,280 --> 01:53:48,960
And to them, I have sympathy in
my heart goes out to him.

2041
01:53:49,400 --> 01:53:52,680
But nonetheless, I do believe
that there's an overall agenda

2042
01:53:52,680 --> 01:53:57,000
at the top that that is pushing
this.

2043
01:53:57,520 --> 01:54:01,000
And they want to absolutely
destroy the family without

2044
01:54:01,000 --> 01:54:05,160
question.
And look, this is not a new

2045
01:54:05,160 --> 01:54:09,120
tactic.
It's not at all as I just

2046
01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:11,120
showed.
Absolutely.

2047
01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:13,960
I don't have a problem with what
you're going to say.

2048
01:54:13,960 --> 01:54:17,200
My first point was going to be
in the book of Jasher, it talks

2049
01:54:17,200 --> 01:54:21,120
about some awful things that the
men in Sodom tried to do to the

2050
01:54:21,120 --> 01:54:24,200
angels and messengers to Noah,
and it talked about their

2051
01:54:24,200 --> 01:54:27,800
society at large.
Their society was a gaslighting,

2052
01:54:27,800 --> 01:54:32,560
narcissistic, hypersexual
society that took such great

2053
01:54:32,560 --> 01:54:36,320
liberties that expectations of
sexuality were placed on total

2054
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:39,760
strangers that that passed into
a that passed into a city.

2055
01:54:40,320 --> 01:54:43,120
Now, I do believe that there are
people that struggle with same

2056
01:54:43,120 --> 01:54:46,480
gender attraction, but this
society is quickly getting into

2057
01:54:46,480 --> 01:54:49,920
that book of Jasher moment with
Sodom and Gomorrah where

2058
01:54:49,920 --> 01:54:53,880
expectations are being made on
people and such.

2059
01:54:53,960 --> 01:54:56,080
Second, let me tell you that I
agree with you fully.

2060
01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:58,600
I wrote a book called Supper of
the Great God where I basically

2061
01:54:58,600 --> 01:55:01,040
said what you said.
Here's the thing.

2062
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:07,040
There are three things you have
to do to to to offend the Holy

2063
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:10,880
Ghost and have no, you'll have
no forgiveness in this world and

2064
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:13,440
no forgiveness in the next.
You have to know the Lord

2065
01:55:13,440 --> 01:55:15,680
personally.
You have to deny.

2066
01:55:15,680 --> 01:55:17,880
It's four things actually.
You have to deny the Lord, set

2067
01:55:17,880 --> 01:55:21,240
him up to open shame, and then
you have to kill innocents.

2068
01:55:21,720 --> 01:55:24,000
Now let's just walk through for
a minute what you said.

2069
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:27,120
You have to be a covenant knower
of the Lord.

2070
01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:31,160
You have to begin to take those
things lightly.

2071
01:55:31,480 --> 01:55:35,800
Then mock the Lord and turn
against him, set him up to open

2072
01:55:35,800 --> 01:55:39,040
shame, and then you have to
murder innocent life.

2073
01:55:39,560 --> 01:55:44,360
You just specified where the
covenant of Israel did it in

2074
01:55:44,360 --> 01:55:48,040
ancient age, in ancient Ephraim,
which are our parentage,

2075
01:55:48,160 --> 01:55:51,000
anciently the northern Kingdom.
That's what they did.

2076
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:54,120
They took their covenants, said
now we're having a bad crop this

2077
01:55:54,120 --> 01:55:56,320
year.
All right, let's put a statue up

2078
01:55:56,320 --> 01:55:57,960
and call it the Lord of the
Harvest.

2079
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:00,200
We'll call it Baal.
That's OK.

2080
01:56:00,200 --> 01:56:03,080
The Lord of the harvest is up.
Let's let the fields go fallow.

2081
01:56:03,080 --> 01:56:08,600
Well, that ain't working.
You know, Jezebel, she says if

2082
01:56:08,600 --> 01:56:11,920
you go down to the temple
tonight, they'll get all of the

2083
01:56:11,920 --> 01:56:15,240
harvest up and running by
getting everybody procreative

2084
01:56:15,240 --> 01:56:16,920
and excited.
And then that the land will get

2085
01:56:16,920 --> 01:56:19,360
excited and then it'll yield its
fruit because we're having an

2086
01:56:19,360 --> 01:56:21,440
orgy.
Well, that sounds weird.

2087
01:56:21,480 --> 01:56:23,240
Just go do it.
Everybody's doing it.

2088
01:56:23,280 --> 01:56:24,880
Unwanted pregnancy.
Pretty soon.

2089
01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:28,440
High priests have denied the
Lord, turned away from the Lord,

2090
01:56:28,440 --> 01:56:31,160
mocked the Lord, and now they're
killing their own babies.

2091
01:56:31,160 --> 01:56:35,280
The Holy Ghost, the way you
offend them as you turn from the

2092
01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:38,400
Lord after having known him, set
him up to open shame and then

2093
01:56:38,400 --> 01:56:41,840
murder innocent life in token of
the savior.

2094
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:46,160
Jesus Christ, that's crazy.
And you just basically defined

2095
01:56:46,160 --> 01:56:49,920
it as sexual libertines and I
agree with you.

2096
01:56:50,160 --> 01:56:52,280
I agree with you.
I didn't want to make it that

2097
01:56:52,280 --> 01:56:56,160
intense, but I did want to say I
do believe that there are people

2098
01:56:56,160 --> 01:56:58,680
that do struggle with same
gender attraction, but we are

2099
01:56:58,680 --> 01:57:02,760
quickly approaching a time where
hyper sexuality and then hyper

2100
01:57:02,760 --> 01:57:05,960
expectation of others.
You got to be on board with this

2101
01:57:05,960 --> 01:57:07,440
man.
You got to be on board.

2102
01:57:07,440 --> 01:57:09,040
It's like I don't need to be on
board.

2103
01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:11,400
I need to be tolerant, but I
don't need to be on board with

2104
01:57:11,400 --> 01:57:13,560
this.
That's the problem we're having.

2105
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:16,400
We're having that big problem.
Anyway, sorry I.

2106
01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:20,080
We're agreeing.
You're you're, you're good.

2107
01:57:20,520 --> 01:57:25,960
And look, I, I made allusions to
this last year on the podcast.

2108
01:57:27,440 --> 01:57:30,920
It was right after I took my
trip back east with, with Amber

2109
01:57:30,920 --> 01:57:32,800
to celebrate our 30th and I
visit.

2110
01:57:32,800 --> 01:57:39,400
I mean, we saw a lot of places
and I knew at that point I'd

2111
01:57:39,400 --> 01:57:42,920
seen some things at that point
where I was like, OK, we're, you

2112
01:57:42,920 --> 01:57:45,920
know, I said it.
I, I just made a short little 5

2113
01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:47,880
minute thing saying, Hey,
there's not going to be a real

2114
01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:49,840
episode today, but I wanted to
get on talk to you.

2115
01:57:50,520 --> 01:57:52,680
And I said, don't worry, I'm
going to keep talking about

2116
01:57:52,680 --> 01:57:55,400
Mormonism.
But the seasons have changed for

2117
01:57:55,400 --> 01:57:57,960
me.
And I feel like now it is time

2118
01:57:57,960 --> 01:58:00,080
to just call the spade a spade
and understand.

2119
01:58:00,520 --> 01:58:03,680
And that is the point of this
series on the armor of God is

2120
01:58:03,680 --> 01:58:07,440
that we, we are there.
And look, I'm going to say

2121
01:58:07,440 --> 01:58:09,480
something else.
It's not enough for you to gird

2122
01:58:09,480 --> 01:58:12,520
up your own loins.
If you're a, if you're a, a

2123
01:58:12,520 --> 01:58:16,280
mother or a father, a husband or
a wife, you have to ensure that

2124
01:58:16,280 --> 01:58:19,520
those that you love around you,
they're not putting on their

2125
01:58:19,520 --> 01:58:23,800
armor because we're there.
They're look, if you're able to

2126
01:58:23,800 --> 01:58:26,680
withstand the temptations,
fantastic.

2127
01:58:27,160 --> 01:58:28,920
Good job.
You got there.

2128
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:31,440
Now you got to worry about your
kids.

2129
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:36,160
Because the other thing is if,
if, if Lucifer can't get to you,

2130
01:58:37,440 --> 01:58:40,440
he will get to your children.
I can't remember which movie it

2131
01:58:40,440 --> 01:58:44,840
was years and years ago I saw
this movie and the villain was

2132
01:58:44,840 --> 01:58:47,840
talking to the hero or the
villain was kind of talking to

2133
01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:52,360
himself and or maybe it was
somebody else.

2134
01:58:52,360 --> 01:58:54,760
I can't remember.
But anyway, the the statement

2135
01:58:54,760 --> 01:58:57,360
was made.
You can't defeat him physically.

2136
01:58:57,400 --> 01:59:01,920
You go after the heart, right?
You go after their, their, their

2137
01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:05,200
emotions, right?
Lucifer can't get to you.

2138
01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:06,960
It's fine.
It's fine.

2139
01:59:07,080 --> 01:59:11,040
He he'll go after your children.
So we have to be so careful now

2140
01:59:11,760 --> 01:59:18,080
and we have to spend that time
to to truly prepare our children

2141
01:59:18,440 --> 01:59:23,360
because the enemies, you don't
have to find them anymore.

2142
01:59:23,360 --> 01:59:26,800
There was a time.
Look, Josh, if you don't mind me

2143
01:59:26,800 --> 01:59:30,120
asking, how old are you?
I'm 56 years old.

2144
01:59:30,840 --> 01:59:36,040
Hey, I'm 48, so we're, we're,
we're about 8 years apart, same

2145
01:59:36,040 --> 01:59:37,120
generation.
Essentially.

2146
01:59:38,720 --> 01:59:41,560
If you wanted to find a smutty
magazine when or, or if you

2147
01:59:41,560 --> 01:59:45,240
wanted to look at smut when you
were a kid, it was a chore,

2148
01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:47,120
right?
You were going to have to go

2149
01:59:47,120 --> 01:59:50,000
down to probably the local
convenience store, find the

2150
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:54,400
local wino, pay him to buy you a
dirty magazine.

2151
01:59:55,040 --> 02:00:00,520
OK, We live in a day now where
you don't have to look for it.

2152
02:00:00,760 --> 02:00:04,360
It'll find you, and it'll find
you right in the privacy of your

2153
02:00:04,360 --> 02:00:07,720
own home, through your phone,
without anybody else seeing.

2154
02:00:09,040 --> 02:00:13,600
And that's just where we're at.
And so now we, we have got to be

2155
02:00:13,600 --> 02:00:16,680
cognizant of that.
And, and part of that girding up

2156
02:00:16,680 --> 02:00:22,520
protecting that area of the body
spiritually and physically is

2157
02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:25,880
teaching our children to be on
the lookout for it.

2158
02:00:26,280 --> 02:00:29,640
And then if it does find them,
teach them to get out of there

2159
02:00:29,640 --> 02:00:33,000
as quickly as they can because
we're there.

2160
02:00:33,160 --> 02:00:37,800
And and the more that that the
adversary can take good people

2161
02:00:37,800 --> 02:00:42,120
off the board, the more chances
he has to run around and really

2162
02:00:42,120 --> 02:00:45,040
'cause havoc.
Let let me take it a step

2163
02:00:45,040 --> 02:00:49,720
further because I, I take a
very, I take a practical

2164
02:00:49,720 --> 02:00:53,320
approach to this.
If you're young and you have

2165
02:00:53,320 --> 02:00:57,560
desires, we cannot be fulfilling
our desires online with

2166
02:00:57,560 --> 02:01:02,320
whoredoms.
We cannot, there's no, the

2167
02:01:02,320 --> 02:01:06,000
greatest gift that we're given
and the penultimate gift of our

2168
02:01:06,000 --> 02:01:07,800
priesthood is the renewing of
our flesh.

2169
02:01:07,800 --> 02:01:12,000
It's resurrection, the power and
the covenant of our priesthood

2170
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:14,720
is to the renewing of our flesh.
There is no renewing of the

2171
02:01:14,720 --> 02:01:18,200
flesh in whoredoms.
It's one of the fastest ways to

2172
02:01:18,200 --> 02:01:21,520
take yourself off the track of
magnifying your priesthood or

2173
02:01:21,520 --> 02:01:23,160
the oath and covenant of the
priesthood.

2174
02:01:23,720 --> 02:01:27,480
And So what I'm saying is, is if
you have desires in that regard,

2175
02:01:27,480 --> 02:01:32,160
if you desire, if your desires
are to women, they should be two

2176
02:01:32,160 --> 02:01:35,560
good women that love you and you
love them, that want to raise up

2177
02:01:35,560 --> 02:01:38,400
a posterity.
It shouldn't just be the desire

2178
02:01:38,400 --> 02:01:43,360
of women, which we all have.
It should be taking that, honing

2179
02:01:43,360 --> 02:01:47,480
it, bridling it, harnessing it
and saying I desire women.

2180
02:01:47,520 --> 02:01:50,280
And nowadays I'm telling you,
David, saying that you desire

2181
02:01:50,280 --> 02:01:52,360
women.
Nowadays it's becoming more and

2182
02:01:52,360 --> 02:01:55,760
more obsolete, which is crazy.
It's crazy.

2183
02:01:56,560 --> 02:01:58,240
The people don't even want to
say I desire women.

2184
02:01:58,240 --> 02:01:59,640
It's it's like there's a fear of
it.

2185
02:01:59,640 --> 02:02:02,800
That's almost like an HR
department fear out in society.

2186
02:02:03,120 --> 02:02:07,320
But if you do have desire for
women, hone that desire for a

2187
02:02:07,400 --> 02:02:09,640
family.
And not just a family, a

2188
02:02:09,640 --> 02:02:12,760
celestial family.
And not just a celestial family,

2189
02:02:12,920 --> 02:02:15,760
a covenant celestial family.
And it doesn't have to be a

2190
02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:19,200
boring, drab, dusty thing.
It's got to be exciting.

2191
02:02:19,200 --> 02:02:20,600
For us.
It's the covenant.

2192
02:02:20,600 --> 02:02:22,200
That was all the way back to
Adam.

2193
02:02:22,280 --> 02:02:24,560
I'm on board with you.
We're teaching each other the

2194
02:02:24,560 --> 02:02:26,160
same thing.
We're basically talking to all

2195
02:02:26,160 --> 02:02:30,200
the folks that are listening.
If you have desires for women, I

2196
02:02:30,200 --> 02:02:33,760
don't want you to suborn,
pervert, corrupt, or turn away

2197
02:02:33,760 --> 02:02:36,520
from them.
I want you to become moral

2198
02:02:36,960 --> 02:02:39,560
clean.
I want you to become covenant

2199
02:02:39,880 --> 02:02:41,880
and go.
I would suggest not.

2200
02:02:41,880 --> 02:02:45,360
I want, I would suggest you go
out and engage that into the

2201
02:02:45,360 --> 02:02:48,520
raising of a posterity to the
Lord, because that will take all

2202
02:02:48,520 --> 02:02:51,520
of your desires and hone them
into a good way.

2203
02:02:51,640 --> 02:02:53,640
I'm not for the destruction of
desire.

2204
02:02:53,920 --> 02:02:57,160
I'm for the direction of it in
the proper direction.

2205
02:02:57,320 --> 02:03:01,200
And when I say loins gird about
with truth, it doesn't say loins

2206
02:03:01,200 --> 02:03:07,000
gird about with with abstinence
or loins gird about with with

2207
02:03:08,160 --> 02:03:10,280
what's that called where they
cut everything off, You know,

2208
02:03:10,280 --> 02:03:12,120
like, you know, we're not trying
to.

2209
02:03:13,160 --> 02:03:16,640
Yeah.
They're not saying gird your

2210
02:03:16,640 --> 02:03:19,800
loins about with castration.
They're saying gird it with

2211
02:03:19,800 --> 02:03:23,240
truth in the direction.
And if I wish we were in a

2212
02:03:23,240 --> 02:03:26,200
temple where we could talk about
the blessing of the loins, where

2213
02:03:26,200 --> 02:03:29,600
we could talk about the truth of
the garment and how it activates

2214
02:03:29,600 --> 02:03:32,400
and does that.
We are a procreative.

2215
02:03:32,720 --> 02:03:36,880
We are a fruitful multiplying.
We, we are a, a Kingdom of

2216
02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:39,720
priests and priestesses or gods
and goddesses.

2217
02:03:39,720 --> 02:03:43,960
I'll be very direct because we
are an embryo right now and we

2218
02:03:43,960 --> 02:03:48,880
cannot kill our procreative
urges and expect to maintain

2219
02:03:48,880 --> 02:03:52,040
some moral attitude.
So all of you young men and you

2220
02:03:52,040 --> 02:03:57,080
young women, prepare yourselves
and your desires and gear them

2221
02:03:57,080 --> 02:04:00,360
towards the raising and rearing
of seed into the Father in a

2222
02:04:00,360 --> 02:04:03,240
covenant home where there's love
and commitment to the Lord.

2223
02:04:03,480 --> 02:04:05,760
That's what I would say.
If you want to talk about loins,

2224
02:04:06,160 --> 02:04:07,480
I would take it in that
direction.

2225
02:04:07,480 --> 02:04:10,440
I think we are.
But if you were both agreed, I

2226
02:04:10,440 --> 02:04:14,280
agree with you strongly.
You know, I want to say this.

2227
02:04:14,280 --> 02:04:17,560
We've talked about the bad
things that can happen by not

2228
02:04:17,560 --> 02:04:21,080
being protected in that way.
Now I want to talk the blessings

2229
02:04:21,080 --> 02:04:25,160
of being protected because I
don't like ending things just on

2230
02:04:25,160 --> 02:04:30,000
a nasty note.
When you've entered a

2231
02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:34,400
relationship, a celestial
relationship, you've made that

2232
02:04:34,520 --> 02:04:37,960
your goal with your wife or your
husband or wives, whatever the

2233
02:04:37,960 --> 02:04:43,040
case is, it's different.
And then when you add posterity

2234
02:04:43,040 --> 02:04:48,800
to that mix, it's way different.
I just had a baby after not

2235
02:04:48,800 --> 02:04:54,360
having one for 20 years.
I held that child in my arms in

2236
02:04:54,360 --> 02:04:59,520
the hospital and I just wept and
I looked at my wife Tanya and my

2237
02:04:59,520 --> 02:05:02,920
love for her.
I don't think I could love her

2238
02:05:02,920 --> 02:05:06,320
anymore now than I already do.
But I know that's not true.

2239
02:05:07,640 --> 02:05:14,280
And I feel the very same
feelings about Amber when your

2240
02:05:14,280 --> 02:05:21,040
relationship, as one of its
pillars is bringing up children

2241
02:05:21,320 --> 02:05:24,280
and recognizing children as the
blessing they are into this

2242
02:05:24,280 --> 02:05:28,960
world, and you have safeguarded
that part of yourself for that

2243
02:05:28,960 --> 02:05:31,720
purpose.
That is where joy is found.

2244
02:05:33,360 --> 02:05:36,880
That is where you can have true
peace.

2245
02:05:37,200 --> 02:05:41,000
Do it the temple itself, the the
Lord actually speaks to animals

2246
02:05:41,000 --> 02:05:43,960
and says that they might find
joy in their posterity.

2247
02:05:43,960 --> 02:05:47,880
He says it to the animals as
well as to the animals finding

2248
02:05:47,880 --> 02:05:49,880
joy in your post.
And please don't edit this even

2249
02:05:49,880 --> 02:05:52,480
if it.
That's exactly where I was

2250
02:05:52,480 --> 02:05:56,680
going.
The Lord's last command or last

2251
02:05:56,680 --> 02:06:00,840
bit of instruction to Adam
before He leaves the garden and

2252
02:06:00,840 --> 02:06:04,000
leaves Adam and Eve in the
garden is to have joy and

2253
02:06:04,000 --> 02:06:09,080
rejoicing in your posterity.
I am here to witness in the most

2254
02:06:09,080 --> 02:06:13,560
personal of ways and testify
that you will find no greater

2255
02:06:13,560 --> 02:06:17,720
joy than when you hold your
child in your arms that first

2256
02:06:17,720 --> 02:06:20,440
time.
And then as you get to teach

2257
02:06:20,440 --> 02:06:24,200
that child and spend time with
that child and watch that child

2258
02:06:24,200 --> 02:06:28,720
grow and even go through the
hard times with them when they

2259
02:06:28,720 --> 02:06:31,520
become teenagers and they get a
bit lippy and mouthy.

2260
02:06:32,040 --> 02:06:36,440
It's all part of the plan and
it's beautiful and I wish people

2261
02:06:36,440 --> 02:06:40,680
could feel that all the time
when they are tempted to use

2262
02:06:40,680 --> 02:06:43,960
those sacred powers for
something else than other than

2263
02:06:43,960 --> 02:06:47,240
what they were designed.
And then as you look at your

2264
02:06:47,240 --> 02:06:51,600
wife years later as you're
having grandchildren, and you

2265
02:06:51,600 --> 02:07:00,920
realize that that whole line
starts with you and it's

2266
02:07:00,920 --> 02:07:06,040
covenant between you, your wife
and the Lord, and that together

2267
02:07:06,040 --> 02:07:10,200
the three of you working to
bring this his children into

2268
02:07:10,200 --> 02:07:13,080
this world.
And they become your children as

2269
02:07:13,080 --> 02:07:15,200
well.
And you hold them and you

2270
02:07:15,200 --> 02:07:19,320
protect them and you love them.
There is no greater rejoicing in

2271
02:07:19,320 --> 02:07:24,960
all the world then that when you
feel the heft of your babies in

2272
02:07:24,960 --> 02:07:29,120
your hands and your
grandchildren in your arms that

2273
02:07:29,120 --> 02:07:33,800
you know that has been blessed
and ratified by the Lord.

2274
02:07:34,440 --> 02:07:38,240
I cannot plead with people
strong enough understands the

2275
02:07:38,240 --> 02:07:41,080
times that we live in.
Understand the slings and the

2276
02:07:41,080 --> 02:07:43,600
arrows that are going to be cast
your direction.

2277
02:07:43,960 --> 02:07:48,120
Understand that those fiery
darts are there to burn out the

2278
02:07:48,120 --> 02:07:52,680
most sacred parts of you, of
your existence as human, as a

2279
02:07:52,680 --> 02:07:56,520
human being on this, on this
earth, as children of a loving

2280
02:07:56,520 --> 02:08:00,440
Heavenly Father.
I can't say it any other way

2281
02:08:00,440 --> 02:08:01,760
than that.
Josh.

2282
02:08:01,760 --> 02:08:04,000
I'll turn it back over to you to
wrap all this up.

2283
02:08:04,600 --> 02:08:06,720
I was going to.
I'm not here to talk about

2284
02:08:06,720 --> 02:08:08,560
anything else.
I did want to say that the

2285
02:08:08,560 --> 02:08:13,200
temple clothing that I told you
about, it matches every single

2286
02:08:13,200 --> 02:08:18,520
piece of armor save only, save
only the sword and the shield.

2287
02:08:18,520 --> 02:08:20,720
But there are metaphors for
that.

2288
02:08:21,000 --> 02:08:22,960
And I'm not trying to guide the
future people.

2289
02:08:22,960 --> 02:08:25,320
I'm saying the armor of God is
the covenants.

2290
02:08:25,320 --> 02:08:27,680
The covenants are reflected and
indicative in the clothing that

2291
02:08:27,680 --> 02:08:29,520
we wear.
The clothing should represent

2292
02:08:29,520 --> 02:08:32,840
these covenants.
I can't say anything any better

2293
02:08:32,840 --> 02:08:35,280
than you you have.
I just want to, I want to

2294
02:08:35,280 --> 02:08:38,680
admonish if I can, in whatever
capacity that people want to

2295
02:08:38,680 --> 02:08:41,240
listen to.
If you're younger or if you're,

2296
02:08:41,280 --> 02:08:44,560
if you're, if you're grown now
and you're feeling the

2297
02:08:44,560 --> 02:08:47,680
despondence of relationships.
If you're looking at a long term

2298
02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:51,640
career plan and you're thinking
about just moving along with

2299
02:08:51,640 --> 02:08:54,400
that plan and giving up the idea
of family or children.

2300
02:08:54,840 --> 02:08:56,960
If there's even an inkling.
And I'm talking to the

2301
02:08:56,960 --> 02:09:00,320
fundamentalist too, because it's
it's in our people too, but the

2302
02:09:00,320 --> 02:09:03,200
mainstream and, and anybody else
you know that follows the

2303
02:09:03,200 --> 02:09:07,320
covenants of the Lord.
Please see that your struggles

2304
02:09:07,320 --> 02:09:10,560
here, your careers and the rest
of it, unless they are

2305
02:09:10,560 --> 02:09:14,800
subordinate to the raising of
posterity for the joy and the

2306
02:09:14,800 --> 02:09:19,280
raising of them to the Father,
your living is going to become a

2307
02:09:19,280 --> 02:09:21,360
little less more less
purposeful.

2308
02:09:21,800 --> 02:09:25,520
Please reclaim your purpose and
I'm talking, I think, to people

2309
02:09:25,520 --> 02:09:27,440
that need to listen to this.
I feel it.

2310
02:09:28,160 --> 02:09:31,720
Please, if you're praying and
crying and wanting that know

2311
02:09:31,720 --> 02:09:34,480
that the Lord hears your prayers
that you can find this.

2312
02:09:34,760 --> 02:09:37,640
Find purpose and raising
posterity to the Lord in a

2313
02:09:37,640 --> 02:09:42,480
loving arrangement, preferably
celestially plural, but

2314
02:09:42,480 --> 02:09:44,840
definitely to the raising of the
kids to the Lord.

2315
02:09:46,680 --> 02:09:48,840
Girt your loins, Girt the loins
brethren.

2316
02:09:49,040 --> 02:09:52,240
Girt the loins with truth
sisters as well, girt the loins.

2317
02:09:52,720 --> 02:09:56,920
Make it tight, make it make it
positive and directionalize that

2318
02:09:56,920 --> 02:09:59,080
desire.
And I say this in Jesus name,

2319
02:09:59,080 --> 02:10:00,640
Amen.
Amen.

2320
02:10:01,440 --> 02:10:05,480
There's one last thing I want to
add here before I wrap up, Josh,

2321
02:10:05,480 --> 02:10:07,840
and say Amen to that.
And that's this.

2322
02:10:07,920 --> 02:10:10,480
If you find yourself in the
place where you have made those

2323
02:10:10,480 --> 02:10:13,960
mistakes, come back.
There is nothing that the

2324
02:10:13,960 --> 02:10:18,080
Atonement of Jesus Christ can't
fix to make those things right.

2325
02:10:18,080 --> 02:10:21,560
You just have to take the first
step in acknowledging you messed

2326
02:10:21,560 --> 02:10:23,440
up, forsake that sin, and move
on.

2327
02:10:23,760 --> 02:10:26,760
There's hope in the atonement.
I don't want anyone walking away

2328
02:10:26,760 --> 02:10:29,560
from this feeling like, oh man,
I've messed up and there's no

2329
02:10:29,560 --> 02:10:31,240
hope.
That's not true.

2330
02:10:31,520 --> 02:10:33,400
There's always hope with the
Savior.

2331
02:10:33,560 --> 02:10:37,000
As long as you're drawing air,
the atonement can still work in

2332
02:10:37,000 --> 02:10:40,400
your behalf.
Josh, that was good stuff,

2333
02:10:40,400 --> 02:10:42,080
brother.
I really appreciate you coming

2334
02:10:42,080 --> 02:10:44,520
on.
That was a hard one to to track,

2335
02:10:44,520 --> 02:10:46,120
but I knew you were the man for
the job.

2336
02:10:46,800 --> 02:10:49,840
Well, you know, I, I get to, I
get to chat with you, you know,

2337
02:10:49,840 --> 02:10:51,160
maybe we'll, we'll be seeing
you.

2338
02:10:51,160 --> 02:10:53,640
I don't know if you know this, I
probably shouldn't out this.

2339
02:10:53,920 --> 02:10:57,720
I'll throw a teaser.
I guess Drew and the guys and I

2340
02:10:57,720 --> 02:11:01,760
are well, we're actually in it.
So we're actually doing it.

2341
02:11:01,760 --> 02:11:04,600
There's going to be a Joseph
Smith translation coming out on

2342
02:11:04,600 --> 02:11:07,720
the RV.
So I'm letting you know this

2343
02:11:07,720 --> 02:11:09,440
first.
It's way perfunctory.

2344
02:11:09,440 --> 02:11:12,760
We don't even have the original
the the triple out as far as in

2345
02:11:12,760 --> 02:11:14,520
the physical, even though it's
been ordered in.

2346
02:11:14,840 --> 02:11:17,000
So, but that's the direction
we're going now.

2347
02:11:17,000 --> 02:11:20,520
And the JST is amazing.
It is the temple covenant.

2348
02:11:20,520 --> 02:11:24,480
It is that when you read Joseph
Smith's Genesis, it is the

2349
02:11:24,480 --> 02:11:27,000
temple right in front of your
eyes.

2350
02:11:27,000 --> 02:11:30,640
It's the covenant, 2 covenant
men throughout the ages.

2351
02:11:30,640 --> 02:11:34,080
It's amazing.
I don't, I don't, I don't think

2352
02:11:34,080 --> 02:11:37,800
it's, I don't know why anybody
would want the JST.

2353
02:11:38,680 --> 02:11:41,800
Excuse me, would not want the
JST over the King James Version.

2354
02:11:41,840 --> 02:11:46,200
I mean, the Joseph Smith
translation correctly done is an

2355
02:11:46,200 --> 02:11:48,800
adequate explanation of our
faith, no matter what

2356
02:11:49,000 --> 02:11:51,920
denomination, including
mainstream that you are.

2357
02:11:52,120 --> 02:11:54,840
So anyway, just a little teaser.
Awesome.

2358
02:11:54,840 --> 02:11:58,880
Well, when that gets close, let
me know and I'll have you and

2359
02:11:58,880 --> 02:12:02,040
Drew back on to talk about that.
Perfect.

2360
02:12:02,040 --> 02:12:05,560
Hey brother, blessings to you
and your new child and much

2361
02:12:05,560 --> 02:12:08,960
love.
All right, man, I appreciate you

2362
02:12:09,800 --> 02:12:11,200
hang out for just 5 minutes, all
right?

2363
02:12:12,560 --> 02:12:15,360
Got it.
Right, Bye everybody.