The 5,000 Year Leap Discussion Group #1

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Hey everybody, if you remember a
few months back I mentioned that

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we were going to be starting a
discussion group on the book The

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5000 Year Leap.
Before I go into all the details

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here, I want to tell you what
the books about.

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The book goes into the
principles behind our founding

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documents like the Declaration
of Independence, the

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Constitution, the Bill of
Rights, and it really

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illuminates and and brings those
principles to life.

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It was written by Kleon Skousen
some number of years back, but

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it's still a very pertinent book
to this day.

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If you want to understand what
the original plan was for

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America.
Now we've started holding the

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discussion groups.
In fact, it just last night on

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Monday, we finished up the the
5th discussion.

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Now it was suggested to me that
maybe I go ahead and I post

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these on the podcast.
And so with the help of another

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gentleman, we went ahead and
we've cleaned it all up.

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It's and we're going to start
loading those today.

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Now we've done 5 to this point.
My plan is, is I'm going to load

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the 1st 4 today all the way
through Friday and you'll be

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able to find those and just be
able to listen to them and get a

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feel for what it's all about.
Now if you decide you want to

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join the the discussion group
live, I've tried to make that

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easy for you.
I put a link to the Zoom

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discussion group that we hold
every Monday night at 7:00 PM

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Central.
In conjunction with that, I've

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also uploaded the link and all
the episode notes for, for kind

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of this discussion group where
you can join on that Telegram

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group and kind of join in some,
some extracurricular discussion

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if you'd like throughout the
week.

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You'll also be able to find the
slides I use for my

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presentations and that sort of
thing there.

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Now this in no way effects
anything I'm doing on Saturday.

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You're you'll still be able to
get the the normal podcast as it

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always is on Saturday.
This is just something extra

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that'll go till May for you.
So again, I hope you guys enjoy

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these things.
If you wish to join the

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discussion group in the Telegram
group, you can find those links

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and all the discussion group
episode show notes.

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Anyway, I hope you enjoy this if
you decide to join the

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discussion group.
I look forward to seeing you

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there again.
That's every Monday night, 7:00

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PM Central.
Thanks everybody.

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Bye.
First off, thanks for everyone

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for, for just showing up here.
I, I really do appreciate it

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tonight.
You know what, what we'll start

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with a prayer here and then
we'll kind of roll into going

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over the syllabus a little bit
and just kind of looking at, at

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the overall general format of,
of what we're going to be doing

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here on this discussion group.
And we'll go from there.

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So, Taylor, would you mind
coming off mute and giving us an

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opening prayer, please?
You bet I'm discussing the kids.

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So all right, ready, our Father
in heaven, we come before thee

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this night and gratitude for our
blessings and freedoms and the

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principles that have brought us
such peace and prosperity.

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We're grateful for this
opportunity to study them and

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pray for thy Spirit to be with
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Please bless our Teacher and all
of us listening that we can all

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be edified and rejoice together
and come away with greater faith

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in Thee and thy plan and
purposes for us and with greater

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courage to face the the
challenges that our world is is

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encountering and experiencing.
We pray for those that are sick

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and in need and please bless
those that are mourning that

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they can be comforted.
And we love thee very much.

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And again thank Thee for all
thou has given us and

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acknowledge thy hand in all
things in the name of thy Son

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Jesus Christ, Amen.
And then thanks, Taylor.

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So, you know, gosh, I would
start with me as an

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introduction, but I think
everyone probably pretty much

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knows me here by now anyway, but
I'll do it anyway.

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My name is Dave Sanders.
I, I live out here in Missouri,

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kind of down by Stockton.
I, I, I've been studying the,

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the Constitution and the
principles of that that go along

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with it for well over 20 years
now, I think.

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I think when I first got turned
on to all this, it was in 2004.

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And so I've spent a lot of time
looking at this.

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In fact, it wasn't just enough
for me to read about it.

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I got to to this place with with
this sort of material really by

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of all things, a kind of a silly
football game.

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I love football.
I think that's pretty well

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established here by now as well.
And I had a buddy and he was a

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huge Philadelphia Eagles fan and
I'm I'm a huge Green Bay fan.

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And they were playing the game
in Philly.

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And he said, you want to go
catch up Monday night game this

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next year.
And I'm like, yeah, I think

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that'd be great.
And so we went out there and and

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we went out a couple days early
and the thought was we just kind

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of see the sites there in
Philadelphia and get a feel for

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for what it kind of had to
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Right.
To be honest with you, when I

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first went out there, I was way
more excited about going to

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Gino's and getting a cheese
steak than I ever was about any

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of the history or anything else.
Why I was always a fan of

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history.
It was more from kind of Western

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sieve angle.
So going back to, you know, the

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Hellenistic models that were
presented through, through the

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Greco Roman tradition.
And when I got out there to

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Philadelphia, I remember I
walked into Independence Hall

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and when I walked into
Independence Hall, every hair on

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my arm stood up and I really
felt the spirit there.

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And it was like, hey, pay
attention.

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You know, there, there's
something you should see here.

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And so I went back home and
which was Idaho at that time,

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and just got my hands on, on
anything I could get on the

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Constitution.
And I mean, I went, I started

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off by reading some books by
people who interpreted the

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Constitution.
And I thought, now this doesn't

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feel right.
This doesn't sit right.

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So then I went back to primary
sources and I started looking at

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things like Madison's notes and
common sense and, and, and the,

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the, The Federalist Papers, just
just to name a few to get a

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better idea of what was being
thought about.

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Now this is 2004.
This is three years after 911.

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And why I discovered at that
point was, wow, we're doing some

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stuff here that, that we
shouldn't be doing.

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And so it, it really caused me
to, to go deeper.

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And like I said, now I've been
studying on these things in one

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form or another for, for, for
over 20 years.

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Doesn't mean I know everything.
I'm certain I can learn a lot

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from everybody else here.
I'm I definitely think you guys

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have a lot to offer and I look
forward to, to hearing from you.

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So with that, let's just kind of
go around here real quick and

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just introduce yourself, tell us
a little, just a little bit

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about yourself and then we'll
kind of roll into to some more

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stuff here.
We're probably not going to

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cover the book a whole bunch
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We we will cover kind of the
class structure, how this is

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going to flow, the schedule, the
telegram group, all those other

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things so that we can come back
next week and be ready to rock.

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So with that, let's go ahead and
start with Hiram.

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Hiram, would you mind coming off
mute and just telling us a

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little bit about yourself?
Yeah, I'm just a kid in

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Springville, UT Just here listen
to everybody talk.

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Very cool.
Well, it's good to have you

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here.
So and then OOP, Hiram, do you

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have something else there?
I saw you come back off mute.

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No, I just bumped the button.
Oh, sweat.

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All right, Josh, Eric, sorry for
a little introduction.

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Yep.
Just a little introduction for

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those who don't know you.
Yeah, I'm in Lehi, UT, and I

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love the Constitution.
It's inspired, you know, and our

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scriptures testify to that fact.
And so you may not consider it

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essentially Mormon apocrypha,
the Constitution and the probate

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price like uncanonized scripture
basically for us.

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And so it's very, very important
to know and understand those

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principles.
And happy to be here.

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Glad you're doing this, Dave.
Thanks.

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Thanks, Joshua.
Justin.

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There we go.
Yeah.

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I'm Justin Frankham.
I've been on Day's podcast a

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little bit.
I'm an independent

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fundamentalist living out in
Missouri and I went to school

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actually studying this stuff.
Got it.

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My degree from a place called
George Wythe College doesn't

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exist anymore, but my degree was
basically focused on

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constitutional studies.
And so this is a, a, a topic

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that's very near and dear to my
heart.

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And I'm here with actually my
kids and we've, we've been going

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through this, all this together
because I mean, if you can't

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convert your family, that's the
most important thing, right?

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So teach, teach and share it
with the family 1st.

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And and then obviously, these
are things that I think are

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valuable to all of us to be able
to know and know how to speak

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about and share in the world
we're living it in today.

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Absolutely.
Thanks, Justin.

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Melissa Erickson.
Hi, I'm not really nice

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background.
I'm here with Jude, who's 6, and

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we want him to learn about the
Constitution.

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We live in Lehigh and yeah, it
never starts too soon, I don't

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think.
Nope.

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You cannot and and look, that's
the beautiful thing about this

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book is it's laid out very, very
the the books laid out pretty

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simple.
And so that that is the beauty

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of it.
You're even even kids who who

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are a little younger are going
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pretty quickly.
So that's awesome.

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All right, Micah, I don't think
I've ever met you, but I've

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talked with your brother a whole
bunch.

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Can you come off mute and tell
us just a few things about

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yourself real quick?
OK, Looks like he just went

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ahead and left a left a a chat
there, so I'll go ahead and and

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just read that out here.
It was there.

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It's not there anymore.
Well, we'll, we'll.

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Circle back, I can see it.
You want me to read it?

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Yeah, yeah, if you can see it,
that'd be great.

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So he says, hey, I'm Micah, I'm
Justin's brother, and I live in

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Idaho.
I'm excited to learn more about

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the Constitution.
Currently listening from work

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and it's very loud.
He works at a mine so probably

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heavy machinery or something.
Awesome.

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Well, well, thanks for being
here, Micah.

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And then Taylor, you're right
there.

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You're next bro.
Sure.

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I'm here with all of my kids as
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It's we're getting dinner a
little bit late so we'll be off

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camera.
But I met Justin.

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We were actually roommates, so
both of us were studying at, at

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a little college down in Cedar
City that doesn't exist anymore.

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But our major, my major was, I'm
pretty sure Justin's was too.

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My major was statesmanship.
And so a heavy emphasis on

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history, primarily American
history, but also world history

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and, and you know,
constitutional principles,

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philosophy, that sort of thing.
Kind of a just that that old

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school it, it was called George
Wythe College.

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George Wythe was the mentor of
Thomas Jefferson and many other

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founders like signers of the
declaration and and the

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Constitution.
And, and so the the founder of

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my college, his vision was to
try to to train the future

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leaders of America with those
same principles of liberty and

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that love.
So yeah, glad to be here.

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I we'll hopefully be a little
bit more prepared next time, but

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we'll be downstairs later on,
probably come back on camera

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when we get settled.
No sweat.

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Appreciate it.
Thanks, Taylor.

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Kim, can you tell us just a few
things about yourself real

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quick, Sir?
Yeah.

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Good evening, everyone.
You likely heard me getting

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after my kids earlier, but I
have 4 kids.

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I'm 16 years in the Navy and I
have a degree in history.

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I'm still a student and lover of
history and of the constitution,

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of course, and of Cleon Skousen
for that, for that matter.

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Just excited to, to learn what
you have to teach.

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This is, I'm looking forward to
this.

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Thanks, Tim.
I, I appreciate that you're here

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and I look forward to hearing
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And that goes for everybody.
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Thanks for being here, man.
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My name is Vanessa Aldridge and

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among among many things, I am a
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homeschooling mom.
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this class.
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political economy and especially
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I just finished reading last
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it was so fascinating.
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kind of counterpoint to that
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principles that are established
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the founding with that are more
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contrast that with, you know,
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and where it started.
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really excited to learn and.
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Awesome.
All right, let's see.

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I think that's everybody.
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thank everyone for being here.
I really do appreciate it.

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I want to start off with just
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video and then we will we'll
kind of roll into some other

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stuff here, but I felt like this
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the tone for for what we have
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And so this video that I'm going
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from the pod father himself, Joe
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Now I've cleaned up the language
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so offensive, but I do think
that there is some really cool,

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really cool stuff here.
Now, if you let me just stop,

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share here real quick.
Let me look at the the settings

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All right, pay attention to what
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He he he says something that
actually will tie into the very

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title of the book.
So and if you guys can't hear

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this, just let me know.
As soon as you give politicians

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power, any kind of power that
didn't exist previously, if they

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can figure out a way to force
you into carrying something that

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lets you enter businesses or
lets you do this or let's

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businesses open historically,
they are not going to give that

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power up.
They find new reasons for you.

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I'll be back.
We have to protect those

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freedoms at all costs, whether
you agree with people's choices

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or not, because it is the
foundation that this country was

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founded on.
Freedom.

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This idea of freedom, there's so
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frivolous, it's not important,
it's not the main thing that we

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should be focused on, but it is
the literal structure that

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allows this country to be so
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Every.
Every single country that's ever

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existed other than the United
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country that has ever existed
was run by dictators.

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All of them.
This is the first experiment in

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self government that actually
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And it created the greatest
superpower the world's ever

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known.
It created the greatest cultural

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machine, the greatest machine of
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innovation right here.
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It did it through freedom and as
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anything that comes along and
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should be very cautious about
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You should be very suspicious
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along that can inhibit your
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American.
Is everybody able to hear that?

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So, yeah, it sounded good as as
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it a few months back.
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think of this book was where
where he says, OK, this you

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know, what did did allowing man
to have freedom do it created

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the largest engine of
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Whether that was in the arts,
whether that was in scientific

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advancements, it all came from
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And the question then becomes is
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Why did that happen?
And let me, let me switch over

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here.
Let me share my screen with

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something else here.
Bear with me.

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I'm going to just pull up the
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to use for tonight.
This is the original book cover,

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not the original book cover.
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the book.
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the book that had a cover that I
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of, of both a farmer kind of
with, with a field killing his

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ground and then it had an
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And the reason the book's called
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basically the the book makes
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forth this idea that for about
5000 years man got along the

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same way.
He always got right, if you had

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to travel, you went by horse or
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Those were your options.
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of human history.
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set loose, if you will, within
200 years, we go from if you

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want to get around, it's by
horse and carriage to we just

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put a man on the moon.
It's a huge step.

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Now certainly I'm not saying
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only.
The the only factor in that I, I

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do believe that the that the
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really had something to do with
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But nonetheless, I don't think
we can discount those founding

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principles on on on the ability
for America to do what it is it

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it ended up doing.
Now does it?

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If anybody has any questions at
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Justin, can I get you to kind of
moderate and watch the watch for

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for the chats and stuff?
Yeah, I got the chat.

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Perfect.
So if you have a comment at any

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time, I don't, I, I want this to
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If you're wanting to just listen
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awfully boring here.
So feel free at any time to put

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your hand up and we can, we can
certainly get you in here and,

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and let you let you talk
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So all right, let's go ahead and
let's pull up, go over the kind

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of the course syllabus, if you
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I felt kind of silly saying it
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it is.
So the intent here, this comes

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from from the book itself and it
says the purpose of the book,

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The 5000 Year Leap by West Cleon
Skousen, is to educate readers

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about the foundational
principles of the United States

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and how they have shaped
American Society.

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Skousen aims to educate readers
about the 28 fundamental

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principles in the that the
Founding Fathers used to design

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the Constitution and create the
United States is a unique,

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prosperous nation.
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importance of sustaining a free
Republic, moral citizenry, and

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virtuous leadership to uphold
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It also explores the principles
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America, including the rule of
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the importance of limited
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Skousen argues that that
sustaining a free Republic

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demands depends on a moral
citizenry and virtuous

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leadership educated to uphold
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The book and course are laid out
in such a way to make the

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principles of the Constitution
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At the end of the course, the
hope is you'll be able, you will

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be better positioned to not only
defend the principles of the

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Constitution, but also to be
able to teach them to others.

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So that's, that's kind of the
thrust of it.

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My, you know, the hope is, is
that when you come out of here,

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not only are you going to be
able to talk to, to other people

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about these things, but you're
also going to be able to spot

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imposters on the horizon.
We live in a time now where I'm,

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you know, back in the old days,
I think, you know, for the most

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part, not always, but for the
most part, you could vote a

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certain party down the ticket
and pretty much know what you

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were going to get.
I don't believe we live in those

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times anymore.
And in, in the times we live in

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now, we have shifting verbiage,
we have shifting meanings of

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words.
And it makes it a little harder.

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And that means we have to be so
familiar with good principles

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that when bad principles come
along, we can spot that a mile

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away.
So class structure, we, we live

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in a very busy time and I value
your time and I don't ever want

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to waste your time.
And to help with that, I just

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want to go over a couple of
guidelines here that should help

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us be to be able to, to maximize
the time we have together.

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You're going to see beneath
this, beneath this, this, this

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intro here, a class schedule for
all the lessons.

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I've included this so everybody
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reading.
Part of that is if I was

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thinking of me more than anybody
else, if, if I miss a week, I'm

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completely screwed up for a, for
a little while.

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So I'll kind of go over the
stuff down below here in a

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second.
But that's going to be super

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important to keep keeping
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Classes are going to be held
every Monday night from at 7:00

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PM Central, 6:00 PM Mountain.
We all have lives, we're all

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busy.
So if we could be on time, that

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would help me wrap this up.
I've tried to format this so

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that we're only spending an hour
to an hour and a half on here

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tops, because look, we got kids,
we got jobs, and if you're like

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me, you're close to 50 and you
get tired easier.

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But at any rate, try, I'm going
to try to keep these succinct

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and to the point so that we can,
we can just go these this what

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we're doing on Zoom here.
I don't want you to think of it

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as a class.
This is more of a discussion.

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And with that, that means that
we're not going to just sit here

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together and read the book.
We'll we'll certainly read

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excerpts of the book, but really
the reading is going to be up to

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you.
And so that's why that reading

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list that we'll see here is
going to be so important is so

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that you can, you can come in
knowing what it is you want to

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share and, and you, you've done
the reading and you're ready to

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do it.
So there's also going to be down

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on this, this the reading list
here.

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There's also some sets of
questions to keep in mind here

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as you read through it.
And that's the kind of going to

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be the questions that we're
going to ask about and talk

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about because that should invoke
some, some pretty good

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discussion here.
Now, don't feel like you're

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limited to those, those
questions on those sheets.

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Those are simply to get us
started.

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If you have other insights,
thoughts, impressions or

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questions, throw those out.
You're not limited there.

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All right, the discussion group
again, we're not going to read

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it together, but we are going to
discuss it.

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And if look, all of us, I
shouldn't say all of us, I think

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most of us on here are Mormon in
one stripe or another.

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And if we remember back to any
of the really good classes we

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had either in elders quorum,
Relief Society, Sunday school,

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all those lessons I would dare
to bet had one thing in common

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and that was there was a lot of
robust discussion happening.

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With that said, when I throw out
those questions, feel free.

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Let's have a discussion about it
back and forth.

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Now, in this arena, I understand
that passions can be elevated by

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some of the stuff we're going to
talk about, and that's good.

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I do not want to discourage
that.

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A lot of truth has been
extracted when people get

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together and have robust
conversations.

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However, we can't allow that to
turn into something to where

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we're hating each other every
time we jump on here.

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So one thing that I know helps
me is just don't assume that

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someone you disagree with has
bad intentions, right?

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Sometimes you just disagree and
that's OK because that's really

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an opportunity to learn from
somebody else that they see

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things a little bit different
than you do.

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And so just no personal attacks,
nothing like that.

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And we, we should be good to go.
Next.

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We there's the Telegram group.
Now you're going to see that.

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If you don't see it right now,
go to mormonlegacy.org and it's

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under the class description.
You can find that link.

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I strongly recommend you sign up
for that for a couple of

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reasons.
First, it's going to be a way

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where I can communicate with
you.

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If heaven forbid and I don't see
this happening, but heaven

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forbid I have to cancel a class
one week or we got to push

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something back.
I can communicate, can

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communicate with you guys also,
because we are going to try to

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limit ourselves here to about an
hour to an hour and a half.

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I just want to have some place
where you guys can discuss some

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things as well.
If if you wanted to throw out a

450
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,360
question or a comment or a
finding, I think that again,

451
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,160
those those kind of free
exchange of ideas are healthy

452
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,040
and good.
Same rules apply.

453
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,080
You know, let's not call each
other names.

454
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,200
It's OK to had disagree, but
let's just do it as agreeably as

455
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,920
possible.
And from there we'll we'll just

456
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,000
kind of kind of roll into the
the the rest of the syllabus

457
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,200
here.
I would say this last of all,

458
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,960
just have fun with this, right?
They are serious things we're

459
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,480
talking about, but there's I
think we should have hope on

460
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:00,840
things.
I really do.

461
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:06,160
And I think that that we can
have some fun at the same time

462
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,560
getting some serious work done.
I don't think the two are

463
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,840
mutually exclusive.
All right, Justin, do we have

464
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,920
any any comments or anything
before I roll into this next

465
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,680
part here?
Nope.

466
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,960
Somebody shared a picture of the
old cover though.

467
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,280
Oh nice, so.
Even once you check it out, it's

468
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,000
in the chat.
There you go, there you go.

469
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:33,600
I will also be posting my slides
on that Telegram group and on

470
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,400
that first slide that I showed
you, it's got a couple of places

471
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:41,960
where you can go get the book.
And so if you don't have a copy,

472
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,480
you can get it there.
I could have swore it was on

473
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,960
Audible.
Justin said he looked hard and I

474
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,440
trust Justin because frankly,
he's way more tech savvy than I

475
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,600
am.
And he said it wasn't there.

476
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:59,120
And so, but I know you can get
it off of Amazon, You can get it

477
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:05,240
from the NCCS and you can get it
off of there was one other place

478
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,880
too that you can get it.
But there's there's three places

479
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,440
there that I listed for you that
you can just copy those

480
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,880
addresses and jump right in.
So how things are going to work

481
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,880
here in the class, I'll just go
down here and give you an

482
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,760
example.
This will be for for next week.

483
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,720
And we'll actually be reading
pages one through 33.

484
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,640
And what it is, is you do your
reading.

485
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,280
This is laid out so that you
guys can kind of have these

486
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,280
questions in mind as you do your
reading.

487
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,960
And we'll pull from some of
these as we come in to have our

488
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,560
discussion on Monday nights.
And so these should be some

489
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,600
thought provoking questions,
should allow us to have some

490
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:51,000
really good conversations going
back and forth.

491
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,360
The class is designed or the
discussion group is designed to

492
00:30:55,360 --> 00:31:01,680
last for up until May 25th.
And this first reading

493
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,000
assignment will be the biggest
reading assignment.

494
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,920
You have 33 pages.
The rest average somewhere

495
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:14,800
between 15 to to 20 pages
depending on what chapter we're

496
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,320
in.
But, and that's covering 2

497
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,560
chapters a week because look,
nobody wants to be here for 28

498
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,720
consecutive weeks.
So I shrunk it down as much as I

499
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,160
could here.
But at any rate, it, it should

500
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:34,880
be good if you guys have young
kids, you know, kids 12 over or

501
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,080
just gauge your kid.
If you, if you have a, if you

502
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,480
have a six year old you feel
like can handle it, it's really

503
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,440
mature.
Bring them on.

504
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,200
I'd love, I'd love to have them
here.

505
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,640
So and, and let them participate
too, if, if they desire.

506
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,840
So yeah, that's, that's pretty
much it.

507
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,320
Does anyone have any other
questions before we move on

508
00:31:54,320 --> 00:32:00,720
here?
Comments, rude remarks, anything

509
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,440
like that?
Perfect.

510
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,160
All right, let me share my
screen again with you here.

511
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,480
Now we're going to get into some
fun stuff.

512
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:20,880
So here are the three places,
Amazon, Barnes and Noble and

513
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:26,200
this it's called NCCS.
It's the National Center for

514
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,520
Constitutional Studies and I
think they're based out of

515
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,640
Milad, Idaho.
But anyway, you can get the book

516
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,280
anywhere off of these these two
websites here.

517
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,120
So let's just jump right in.
And before we go too far, I

518
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,320
wanted to talk a little bit
about the Mormon view of the

519
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,240
Constitution.
Most of us here are Mormons.

520
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,440
For those who are not, still
feel free to participate.

521
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:59,320
I would love to to hear it.
I think Jude is drawing.

522
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,120
OK looks like found a few pen
marks.

523
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,400
That was awesome.
OK, is the constitution approved

524
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,320
by God?
I want to read something here.

525
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:15,200
We've all read this 100 times.
DNC one O 179 through 80.

526
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,200
Therefore it is not right that
any man should be in bondage one

527
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,320
to another.
And for this purpose I have

528
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,440
established the Constitution of
the of this land by the hands of

529
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:30,320
wise men, who I'm whom I have
raised up unto this very purpose

530
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,400
and redeemed the land by the
shedding of blood.

531
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,080
So there we got got God's seal
of approval on it right.

532
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,120
And I like what Joshua said
early on here.

533
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:46,920
He said that he viewed the the
Constitution like like Mormon

534
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:52,120
Apocrypha almost right.
I don't think it's a stretch to

535
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,680
say that it might be scripture
with a small SI think there's a

536
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,800
lot there.
Let's go ahead and get some

537
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:06,920
other evidences here.
Journal Discourse, volume 6,

538
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,760
page 345 and this is from
Brigham Young.

539
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,639
The Kingdom of God will extend
over the earth, and it is

540
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:18,679
written, I will make thine
officers peace and thine

541
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:22,280
exactors righteousness.
And that comes from Isaiah 6017.

542
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:28,600
Is that day ever coming?
It is, and the doctrine we

543
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:33,760
preach leads to that point.
Even now, the form of government

544
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:39,040
of the United States differs but
little from that of the Kingdom

545
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,360
of God.
So now here's the part where I'm

546
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,120
going to throw out a question,
and it's on this last sentence

547
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,800
here.
Even now, the form of government

548
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,159
of the United States differs but
little from that of the Kingdom

549
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,400
of God.
Does anyone want to take a stab

550
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:13,700
on why they think that is?
I'm going to comment, this is

551
00:35:13,700 --> 00:35:16,900
Corey.
I think the reason is, is

552
00:35:16,940 --> 00:35:20,300
because it allows for liberty
and it protects individual

553
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:25,100
rights and supports the idea of
and thought in a way that has

554
00:35:25,100 --> 00:35:29,300
not really been allowed
historically from the

555
00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:31,500
governments of the world and the
kingdoms of the world.

556
00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:35,740
We have not allowed people to
have a different point of view

557
00:35:36,740 --> 00:35:38,380
where they can actually.
Express their.

558
00:35:38,380 --> 00:35:42,620
Thoughts.
And I feel like that's what.

559
00:35:42,660 --> 00:35:45,380
Our Heavenly Father wants.
For all of us is to grow and

560
00:35:45,380 --> 00:35:48,700
learn and even have differing
opinions and sometimes the wrong

561
00:35:48,700 --> 00:35:52,180
ones.
Yet I feel that that's kind of

562
00:35:52,180 --> 00:35:57,420
like a fundamental way that we
grow is we stumble over our

563
00:35:57,420 --> 00:36:00,300
beliefs and our ideas about what
things should be.

564
00:36:03,980 --> 00:36:05,780
Perfect.
Anybody else?

565
00:36:12,290 --> 00:36:13,970
Justin, you and I talked about
this A.

566
00:36:13,970 --> 00:36:17,890
Little bit, I think yesterday or
today, I can't remember.

567
00:36:18,290 --> 00:36:20,490
But you, you had a good thought
on this.

568
00:36:20,490 --> 00:36:28,300
Do you remember that?
I can't actually.

569
00:36:29,300 --> 00:36:32,740
OK, no problem.
First off, I want to say I think

570
00:36:32,740 --> 00:36:36,380
Corey's right.
I think it's not an either or.

571
00:36:36,380 --> 00:36:42,580
I think it's an and so.
We know that that.

572
00:36:43,340 --> 00:36:47,380
Agency was so important to our
God, to our Heavenly Father,

573
00:36:47,820 --> 00:36:51,380
that He said He would never
encroach upon that right.

574
00:36:51,780 --> 00:36:56,940
Our agency, our will, our
conscience, those are ours and

575
00:36:56,940 --> 00:36:58,340
those are things.
That have to be.

576
00:36:58,340 --> 00:37:02,700
Willingly given up.
And so when we start looking at

577
00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:06,260
governments of the world that
existed before the United

578
00:37:06,260 --> 00:37:08,940
States, right.
And, and I'm not necessarily

579
00:37:08,940 --> 00:37:14,700
talking about 1791, obviously, I
think there were some things

580
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:17,380
going on before that.
If we look at what was happening

581
00:37:17,380 --> 00:37:21,980
with the Pilgrims and the Pure
and the Separatists and some of

582
00:37:21,980 --> 00:37:24,820
the folks down in Jamestown,
they were already kind of

583
00:37:24,820 --> 00:37:29,220
starting to pick up on some of
this stuff here and so.

584
00:37:29,220 --> 00:37:32,460
I think that.
That that is definitely part of

585
00:37:32,460 --> 00:37:35,460
it.
It was, it was a a document.

586
00:37:35,460 --> 00:37:42,340
It was, it was a a coherent set.
It was a coherent recognition

587
00:37:42,740 --> 00:37:46,420
that man's rights come from God,
not from other men.

588
00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:50,340
And as such, those rights needed
to be protected.

589
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:53,380
And so I think that's the one of
the reasons.

590
00:37:54,180 --> 00:37:56,420
The other thing that I really
like, and this is what I

591
00:37:56,420 --> 00:38:02,620
remember Justin saying on this,
is that the American.

592
00:38:02,620 --> 00:38:05,060
Form of government is.
Also unique because it was set

593
00:38:05,060 --> 00:38:09,180
up to be to designed to be a
nation of laws and not men.

594
00:38:10,020 --> 00:38:16,220
And what that does is that puts
principles above government,

595
00:38:16,700 --> 00:38:19,220
right?
Basically saying this is what

596
00:38:19,220 --> 00:38:23,620
government has to walk up to.
It made government subservient

597
00:38:23,620 --> 00:38:27,860
to the law and the law was
structured in such a way that it

598
00:38:27,860 --> 00:38:31,860
was geared to the protection of
conscience, free exercise of

599
00:38:31,860 --> 00:38:34,140
religion.
Go down the the Bill of Rights.

600
00:38:34,540 --> 00:38:37,180
That's right there.
So does anybody else have

601
00:38:37,180 --> 00:38:38,460
anything they want to add to
that?

602
00:38:42,780 --> 00:38:46,100
Yeah, sorry, I forgot about.
That that I was thinking about

603
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:50,300
something different, but when we
were talking about that idea, I

604
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:54,220
was also kind of wondering if
there's might.

605
00:38:54,220 --> 00:38:55,900
Not be an.
Interesting.

606
00:38:55,940 --> 00:38:59,180
Like in the Kingdom of heaven we
have we have our God, but our

607
00:38:59,180 --> 00:39:02,300
God is only our God as long as
he obeys law as well.

608
00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:06,300
Otherwise even God would cease
to be God, which means our God

609
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:09,420
is being held to a standard.
Our governor, even Heavenly

610
00:39:09,420 --> 00:39:13,740
Father is, is controlled by a
higher power, right?

611
00:39:14,420 --> 00:39:17,980
And so I think.
There's a infinite.

612
00:39:17,980 --> 00:39:19,940
Regression potentiality there as
well.

613
00:39:20,060 --> 00:39:25,540
That shows that this is a kind
of an eternal concept and

614
00:39:25,540 --> 00:39:30,500
something very unique to the
Kingdom of God and also just the

615
00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:32,540
United States Constitution and
what it was trying to

616
00:39:32,540 --> 00:39:36,700
accomplish.
Absolutely no good stuff.

617
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:44,420
Anybody else?
Dave, I want to add something.

618
00:39:45,660 --> 00:39:48,900
Don't you?
Well, I just think about the

619
00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:51,380
declaration.
Of independence and how it says

620
00:39:51,380 --> 00:39:54,980
it that all mankind are.
Created.

621
00:39:54,980 --> 00:39:58,660
Equal and that they're endowed
by their Creator with certain

622
00:39:58,660 --> 00:40:01,460
unalienable rights.
Among these are Life, Liberty,

623
00:40:01,460 --> 00:40:04,300
and the pursuit of Happiness or
Property.

624
00:40:05,020 --> 00:40:10,620
In the original version, and the
idea that we're created by God

625
00:40:10,620 --> 00:40:14,540
is very inherent in the way that
they set up the Constitution.

626
00:40:15,140 --> 00:40:18,420
So, you know, more Mormon
theology says not only that

627
00:40:18,420 --> 00:40:21,140
we're created by God, but that
we can become gods.

628
00:40:21,540 --> 00:40:23,340
How are we to become?
Gods if we.

629
00:40:23,340 --> 00:40:26,900
Aren't governing ourselves
correctly based on correct

630
00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:31,860
principles?
100% thank.

631
00:40:31,860 --> 00:40:43,620
You, Joni, anybody else?
We'll move on to the next quote

632
00:40:43,620 --> 00:40:48,580
here again, Brigham Young this
time.

633
00:40:48,580 --> 00:40:51,660
Journal of Discourse, Volume 6,
page 342.

634
00:40:52,620 --> 00:40:56,140
The Constitution and the laws of
the United States resemble A

635
00:40:56,140 --> 00:41:03,740
theocracy more closely than any
government on the earth, on the

636
00:41:03,740 --> 00:41:06,740
earth or that ever has been.
I apologize, I got a typo in

637
00:41:06,740 --> 00:41:09,140
there.
So here Brigham is basically

638
00:41:09,140 --> 00:41:13,300
saying, look, this, this is as
close to theocracy as we we can

639
00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:18,300
get.
Now, if we look at what those

640
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:22,940
early men in in Mormonism were
trying to do, the church was

641
00:41:22,940 --> 00:41:25,740
only part of it, right?
They were actually aiming for

642
00:41:25,740 --> 00:41:27,420
something higher.
They were aiming for the

643
00:41:27,420 --> 00:41:30,740
Kingdom, but they also
understood that other people's

644
00:41:30,740 --> 00:41:33,460
rights were going to have to be
protected in this.

645
00:41:33,740 --> 00:41:38,260
Whether you were Mormon,
Methodist, Presbyterian, did not

646
00:41:38,260 --> 00:41:41,100
matter.
You can go back and you can look

647
00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:44,260
in the Journal of Discourses,
teachings of Brigham Young,

648
00:41:45,660 --> 00:41:48,980
words of Joseph Smith, and you
can clearly see that this idea

649
00:41:48,980 --> 00:41:51,620
that that Zion was only going to
be for Mormons.

650
00:41:51,620 --> 00:41:55,980
I think that's a fairly recent
incarnation and it you from

651
00:41:55,980 --> 00:41:58,780
their writings, it does look
like there'd be more there.

652
00:41:59,260 --> 00:42:02,580
And so you kind of going back to
Joni's point here, it was a

653
00:42:02,580 --> 00:42:05,180
place in which they're going to
be able to do that.

654
00:42:05,180 --> 00:42:09,420
So when Brigham says theocracy,
he's kind of hinting towards

655
00:42:09,420 --> 00:42:13,460
Zion.
And so that keep keep that in

656
00:42:13,460 --> 00:42:14,660
mind.
Does anyone have anything they

657
00:42:14,660 --> 00:42:17,220
want to add on this on to this
quote here?

658
00:42:17,220 --> 00:42:19,620
Anything they have to say or
whatnot?

659
00:42:24,420 --> 00:42:28,900
All right, let's move on.
Now this next one, the Mormon

660
00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:31,060
view of the future of the
Constitution.

661
00:42:32,260 --> 00:42:36,940
So for a while I, I could not
wrap my mind around like, does

662
00:42:36,980 --> 00:42:40,660
does the constitution come in
or, excuse me, does Zion come

663
00:42:40,660 --> 00:42:42,260
in?
And then the constitution goes

664
00:42:42,420 --> 00:42:45,340
kind of go by the wayside,
'cause there's something better.

665
00:42:45,340 --> 00:42:47,260
And it, it caused me to do some
looking.

666
00:42:47,780 --> 00:42:51,380
And here are a few a few of the
things about the the the future

667
00:42:51,380 --> 00:42:53,420
of the Constitution from a
Mormon point of view.

668
00:42:54,780 --> 00:43:00,020
Again Brigham Young Journal
Discourse, page 317 When the day

669
00:43:00,020 --> 00:43:03,780
comes in which the Kingdom of
God will bear rule the flags of

670
00:43:03,780 --> 00:43:07,100
the United States, the flag of
the United States, will proudly

671
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:11,420
flutter unsullied on the
Flagstaff of liberty and equal

672
00:43:11,420 --> 00:43:16,060
rights, without a spot to sully
it, to sully its fair surface.

673
00:43:16,300 --> 00:43:21,620
The glorious flag of our fathers
have bequeathed to us will then

674
00:43:21,620 --> 00:43:25,540
be unfurled to the breeze by
those who have power to hoist it

675
00:43:25,540 --> 00:43:31,500
aloft and defend its sanctity.
Again, Brigham Young that.

676
00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:33,500
To me was interesting.
Right.

677
00:43:34,020 --> 00:43:37,700
And part of me.
Thinks he's he He.

678
00:43:37,700 --> 00:43:41,780
Might be speaking kind of
symbolically here.

679
00:43:42,060 --> 00:43:45,740
Maybe it's not so much the flag
as it is an understanding that

680
00:43:45,740 --> 00:43:50,100
these principles that the
Constitution lays out are still

681
00:43:50,100 --> 00:43:55,140
going to be in effect even when
the Kingdom of God comes in.

682
00:43:56,220 --> 00:43:58,380
Does anybody have anything they
want to add to that?

683
00:43:58,380 --> 00:44:01,940
That's kind of a juicy, spicy
quote there, and I'd love to to

684
00:44:01,940 --> 00:44:15,680
hear people's thoughts on that.
OK, well, we'll go.

685
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:21,840
Ahead, and we'll move on here.
Then another quote, this one

686
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,280
coming from Brigham Young.
Again, Journal of Discourse,

687
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,980
Volume 7, page 15.
Will the Constitution be

688
00:44:27,980 --> 00:44:31,460
destroyed?
No, it will be held inviolate by

689
00:44:31,460 --> 00:44:35,180
this people.
And as Joseph Smith said, the

690
00:44:35,180 --> 00:44:39,020
time will come when the destiny
of the nation will hang on upon

691
00:44:39,020 --> 00:44:42,420
a single thread.
At that critical juncture, this

692
00:44:42,420 --> 00:44:45,940
people will step forth and save
it from its threatened

693
00:44:45,940 --> 00:44:52,460
destruction.
I read that and to me it kind of

694
00:44:52,460 --> 00:44:54,860
sounded almost like a charge
right now.

695
00:44:55,380 --> 00:44:59,500
I want to be real clear here.
Nobody should be getting ready

696
00:44:59,500 --> 00:45:02,500
to go and and do anything silly,
right?

697
00:45:04,300 --> 00:45:07,780
I think that that the way that
this will be saved ultimately

698
00:45:07,780 --> 00:45:12,100
will be a lot more akin to how
the gospel and its fullness was

699
00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:17,420
saved rather than, you know,
riding horses out of the

700
00:45:17,420 --> 00:45:20,700
mountains looking really cool.
I just don't think we're there

701
00:45:21,060 --> 00:45:23,980
at this time.
I think how we save this is, is

702
00:45:23,980 --> 00:45:26,900
by being, you know, just
preserving these things.

703
00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:29,020
I think that's going to be our
job here.

704
00:45:29,020 --> 00:45:31,100
Has anyone got anything they'd
like to add here?

705
00:45:37,530 --> 00:45:41,330
So if I'll just jump in.
And just say, I always looked at

706
00:45:41,330 --> 00:45:45,930
these types of quotes and in my
mind, I I wasn't separating the

707
00:45:45,930 --> 00:45:50,090
concepts of the Constitution
from the US government.

708
00:45:50,690 --> 00:45:54,690
And it's kind of a similar
conflation to like the church

709
00:45:54,690 --> 00:45:58,420
and the gospel, you know, or the
church and the priesthood, like

710
00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:02,060
they these ideas, there's a lot
of overlap, but they're very

711
00:46:02,060 --> 00:46:03,020
separate.
And.

712
00:46:03,020 --> 00:46:05,300
Distinct ideas.
And that's important to kind of

713
00:46:05,300 --> 00:46:08,060
keep in mind.
I do not think that Joseph Smith

714
00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:11,940
or Brigham Young was prophesying
that the Mormons are going to

715
00:46:11,940 --> 00:46:13,980
save the United States
government.

716
00:46:14,940 --> 00:46:18,660
What I do think is it's these
principles of the Constitution

717
00:46:18,660 --> 00:46:24,380
will be alive and well in the
city state of Zion once we get

718
00:46:24,380 --> 00:46:26,260
to that point.
And we're building that

719
00:46:26,580 --> 00:46:30,100
together.
But that that doesn't have any.

720
00:46:30,220 --> 00:46:34,460
This is not like saying that
America will never die as a as a

721
00:46:34,460 --> 00:46:36,100
nation.
You know, the United States will

722
00:46:36,100 --> 00:46:40,820
never be destroyed as a nation.
But it's these principles.

723
00:46:40,820 --> 00:46:46,980
That's what's key. 100% I.
I, I couldn't agree with you

724
00:46:46,980 --> 00:46:52,020
more there.
I think it it's so interesting

725
00:46:52,020 --> 00:46:55,820
right as I look as as I continue
to look and as I continue to

726
00:46:55,820 --> 00:47:00,380
grow and mature in the gospel
and and intellectually and other

727
00:47:00,380 --> 00:47:03,060
places.
I kind of agree with you.

728
00:47:03,220 --> 00:47:06,500
I think I think we all had an
idea of what this would look

729
00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:10,780
like.
And as time goes along and I

730
00:47:10,780 --> 00:47:14,100
become more mature, I start
viewing it a much different way.

731
00:47:14,620 --> 00:47:15,540
Thanks for that.
Taylor.

732
00:47:15,540 --> 00:47:17,420
Does anyone else have anything
they'd like to add?

733
00:47:18,660 --> 00:47:22,140
And don't be afraid to disagree.
I think from.

734
00:47:22,140 --> 00:47:24,820
When you say it like that.
I think it's absolutely a charge

735
00:47:24,820 --> 00:47:27,700
in that context because if it's
the principles are going to be

736
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:31,820
preserved and then and we see
these being abandoned today,

737
00:47:31,820 --> 00:47:35,900
then who's going to preserve
them if not us 100%?

738
00:47:36,940 --> 00:47:40,540
OK, well, if.
You thought that was a charge?

739
00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:44,100
Wait for this next one.
So while we're still on this

740
00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:46,100
topic, if you don't mind.
Yeah.

741
00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:48,380
What I think that we can all
agree on is that the

742
00:47:48,740 --> 00:47:53,820
Constitution has some capital T
truths, and that what we're

743
00:47:53,820 --> 00:47:57,580
going to see is a war on truth,
and that the charge we have is

744
00:47:57,580 --> 00:48:00,740
simply to defend truth.
Absolutely.

745
00:48:00,780 --> 00:48:02,700
That's a great.
Way to put it, Tim, I couldn't

746
00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:07,820
agree with you more.
Anybody else?

747
00:48:12,340 --> 00:48:17,940
OK, I was going to say.
I think just studying the

748
00:48:17,940 --> 00:48:24,180
Constitution, there's just so
many amazing principles that we

749
00:48:24,180 --> 00:48:27,620
just kind of are.
Understanding as.

750
00:48:28,220 --> 00:48:33,140
A whole usually the tip of the
iceberg, like there's a lot more

751
00:48:33,140 --> 00:48:37,460
of the conversations that the
the framers of the Constitution

752
00:48:37,620 --> 00:48:39,780
and the, you know, signers of
the declaration.

753
00:48:40,180 --> 00:48:42,940
There were a lot of things that
they studied in world history

754
00:48:43,940 --> 00:48:49,020
and they argued a lot about each
of these different principles

755
00:48:49,020 --> 00:48:51,340
that were added into the
Constitution.

756
00:48:51,700 --> 00:48:53,660
And they studied, you know,
Deuteronomy.

757
00:48:53,660 --> 00:48:57,100
That was what they refer to the
most in trying to understand the

758
00:48:57,100 --> 00:49:01,300
law and the charge that Moses
gave, you know, to the children

759
00:49:01,300 --> 00:49:04,180
of Israel, kind of his last
little, you know, goodbye

760
00:49:04,180 --> 00:49:08,220
speech.
And it really.

761
00:49:08,220 --> 00:49:10,580
For all of.
Us who are striving to create,

762
00:49:10,940 --> 00:49:15,500
you know, a Zion community where
we're following the principles

763
00:49:15,500 --> 00:49:18,540
that Heavenly Father would want
for us so that we're kind and

764
00:49:18,540 --> 00:49:21,420
thoughtful and that we're also
merciful and just kind of

765
00:49:21,420 --> 00:49:25,700
balancing that.
It's going to take all of us a

766
00:49:25,700 --> 00:49:31,620
lot of focus, a lot of prayer, a
lot of study to understand the

767
00:49:31,620 --> 00:49:34,620
depth of these principles and
how they fit in and what is

768
00:49:34,620 --> 00:49:40,700
right and wrong so that we can
be righteous judges in in Zion,

769
00:49:40,700 --> 00:49:43,260
so that we can kind of create
and uphold the, the correct

770
00:49:43,260 --> 00:49:46,940
principles rather than just
doing what our society does.

771
00:49:46,940 --> 00:49:50,740
Because our judicial system
right now is very broken and

772
00:49:50,740 --> 00:49:53,300
people's perspectives on what
right and wrong is.

773
00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:56,860
They have it all backwards now.
And and it, I think it's up to

774
00:49:56,860 --> 00:50:01,620
us as as.
You know, people of the

775
00:50:01,620 --> 00:50:03,220
Restoration.
Were believers of the

776
00:50:03,220 --> 00:50:09,420
restoration to dig deep into
this and, and hold tightly to

777
00:50:09,420 --> 00:50:14,180
those principles and and do our
best to understand them and and

778
00:50:14,180 --> 00:50:19,300
kind of create our own standard,
if you will, kind of like how

779
00:50:19,300 --> 00:50:22,220
Moroni in the Book of Mormon, he
created a standard of liberty

780
00:50:22,220 --> 00:50:24,420
and he just says, hey here's
here's what we're going to stand

781
00:50:24,420 --> 00:50:26,860
for for our wives and our
children and our religious

782
00:50:26,860 --> 00:50:28,300
freedom.
We're going to do this.

783
00:50:28,740 --> 00:50:32,700
This is what the Constitution
really what they were trying to

784
00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:37,060
give us and how we've kind of
perverted their intent.

785
00:50:37,580 --> 00:50:41,420
And this is this is really the
path that we should have been

786
00:50:41,420 --> 00:50:44,860
following, that we're not, that
people are criticizing the

787
00:50:44,860 --> 00:50:49,340
constitutional principles over
that, that we can kind of get

788
00:50:49,340 --> 00:50:50,660
it.
Right, if you will, as a.

789
00:50:50,660 --> 00:50:54,540
Group where we're studying these
kind of topics and that's what I

790
00:50:54,540 --> 00:50:56,940
think this whole group is so
wonderful that you're doing

791
00:50:56,940 --> 00:51:00,060
this.
Thanks, Corey.

792
00:51:00,060 --> 00:51:03,060
I appreciate that.
You know him, You, you said

793
00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:05,700
something about, you know, just
defending truth.

794
00:51:06,380 --> 00:51:09,180
And I couldn't agree with you
more.

795
00:51:12,380 --> 00:51:14,940
I'll just tell you about a.
Little bit of experience I had

796
00:51:15,500 --> 00:51:19,260
this last time I was in
Philadelphia back in in

797
00:51:19,260 --> 00:51:25,020
September.
As I'll be honest.

798
00:51:25,020 --> 00:51:28,660
When I left the East Coast, when
I was done living out there, I

799
00:51:28,660 --> 00:51:31,580
honestly thought I wouldn't be
going back out there to to see

800
00:51:31,580 --> 00:51:34,940
these things again.
I saw them many times while I

801
00:51:34,940 --> 00:51:38,620
lived out there and.
It kind of surprised me.

802
00:51:38,620 --> 00:51:41,940
I remember it very distinctly.
It was about a year and a half

803
00:51:41,940 --> 00:51:44,580
ago.
It was, it was about six months

804
00:51:44,580 --> 00:51:49,660
after I moved to Missouri here.
And one morning I woke up and I

805
00:51:49,660 --> 00:51:53,700
just like, it was so strange.
I just rolled out of bed and I

806
00:51:53,700 --> 00:51:55,340
just knew I have to go back
east.

807
00:51:55,340 --> 00:51:58,540
I have to see something.
I didn't know what I was going

808
00:51:58,540 --> 00:52:02,140
to see, but I knew I had to see
whatever it is I felt like the

809
00:52:02,140 --> 00:52:05,900
Lord wanted me to see.
And so we went to.

810
00:52:05,900 --> 00:52:10,860
Philadelphia. 1st that's where
we flew into and by far

811
00:52:10,860 --> 00:52:13,460
Philadelphia is my favorite city
back east.

812
00:52:14,580 --> 00:52:19,260
I just love the history of it.
And I was sitting in

813
00:52:19,260 --> 00:52:25,060
Independence Hall and I, I
thought it would be like

814
00:52:25,060 --> 00:52:28,700
instantaneous, I'd walk in and I
just knew what I was supposed to

815
00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:31,100
be there for.
Didn't go that way.

816
00:52:31,740 --> 00:52:36,380
And so I just sat there in that
room where where the the

817
00:52:36,380 --> 00:52:42,340
founders hammered out both the
Declaration of Independence and

818
00:52:42,340 --> 00:52:47,420
the the Constitution.
And.

819
00:52:48,460 --> 00:52:50,180
There's the.
Only piece.

820
00:52:50,180 --> 00:52:57,260
Of furniture in that building
that can 100% be certified as

821
00:52:57,260 --> 00:53:02,500
original was where Washington
SAT and.

822
00:53:02,740 --> 00:53:05,980
On the back of.
Washing Washington's chair, it's

823
00:53:05,980 --> 00:53:09,100
got a sun and it's only half the
sun, so you don't know if it's

824
00:53:09,100 --> 00:53:13,260
rising or if it's setting.
And Franklin makes note of this

825
00:53:13,660 --> 00:53:16,180
during during the Constitutional
Convention.

826
00:53:16,180 --> 00:53:19,300
He says, gentlemen, for these
long months I have sat and I

827
00:53:19,300 --> 00:53:22,820
have wondered about that chair,
if that sun was a rising sun or

828
00:53:22,820 --> 00:53:26,740
a setting sun, and wondered if
the.

829
00:53:26,740 --> 00:53:29,460
Same thing would be.
Is true with our nation.

830
00:53:29,780 --> 00:53:33,940
And I'm kind of paraphrasing
here, wondering if if the sun

831
00:53:33,940 --> 00:53:37,380
was coming up on the nation or
if it was already descending.

832
00:53:38,340 --> 00:53:42,020
And at that time he, he said he
felt like it was an ascending

833
00:53:42,020 --> 00:53:46,740
sun.
But as I sat there and I'm, I'm

834
00:53:46,740 --> 00:53:50,380
looking at all this history and
I'm just kind of enraptured by

835
00:53:50,380 --> 00:53:53,580
it.
I thought, you know, I'm just

836
00:53:53,580 --> 00:53:56,220
going to take out my my phone
and I'm just going to read the

837
00:53:56,220 --> 00:54:01,260
founding documents.
And the first.

838
00:54:01,260 --> 00:54:06,260
Place my eyes darted to was we
hold these truths to be

839
00:54:06,260 --> 00:54:10,300
self-evident harkening back to
what you said Tim, about truth

840
00:54:11,780 --> 00:54:17,060
and in that moment I had a
distinct idea right like a like

841
00:54:17,060 --> 00:54:23,740
a sentence and it was to speak
truth in a time where where

842
00:54:24,060 --> 00:54:26,900
everything is upside down and
crazy is an absolute

843
00:54:26,900 --> 00:54:33,740
revolutionary act and I think
that's important to realize is

844
00:54:33,740 --> 00:54:37,380
that we kind.
Of do put ourselves.

845
00:54:37,380 --> 00:54:41,100
In the place of some of those
heroes from American history,

846
00:54:41,580 --> 00:54:45,180
not because we pick up a gun,
but because we're just willing

847
00:54:45,180 --> 00:54:48,700
to stand for these truths.
And so Tim, I, I really enjoyed

848
00:54:48,700 --> 00:54:49,980
what you said there.
I appreciate it.

849
00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:54,060
So anyone else have anything
else they want to add here

850
00:54:54,060 --> 00:54:55,820
before we move on to the next
slide?

851
00:55:00,380 --> 00:55:04,140
Yeah, so if you thought that
last one was a.

852
00:55:04,140 --> 00:55:06,540
Charge.
Wait till you get this one from

853
00:55:06,620 --> 00:55:10,660
John Taylor.
I I put down Brigham Young, but

854
00:55:10,660 --> 00:55:13,380
it is John Taylor that is the
correct Journal of Discourse

855
00:55:13,380 --> 00:55:17,740
entry.
It's 21 volume 21, page 8, And

856
00:55:17,740 --> 00:55:20,980
it says when the people shall
have torn to shreds the

857
00:55:20,980 --> 00:55:24,460
Constitution of the United
States, the elders of Israel

858
00:55:24,460 --> 00:55:28,500
will be found holding it up to
the nations of the earth and

859
00:55:28,500 --> 00:55:32,660
proclaiming liberty and equal
rights to all men and extending

860
00:55:32,660 --> 00:55:35,620
the hand of fellowship to the
oppressed of all nations.

861
00:55:36,100 --> 00:55:39,700
This is part of the program.
And as long as we do what is

862
00:55:39,700 --> 00:55:45,100
right and fear God, He will help
us and stand by us under all

863
00:55:45,100 --> 00:55:48,180
circumstances.
John Taylor, Journal Discourses,

864
00:55:48,180 --> 00:55:52,260
218I.
I read this quote.

865
00:55:52,300 --> 00:55:55,980
Years ago and and I need to
thank Justin for helping me find

866
00:55:55,980 --> 00:55:58,220
it again because I could have
swore it was Brigham Young that

867
00:55:58,220 --> 00:56:01,020
said it.
So I put into this quote

868
00:56:01,020 --> 00:56:04,180
probably 100 times and haven't
been able to find it.

869
00:56:04,780 --> 00:56:08,900
And then again, because Justin's
awesome that way, he was able to

870
00:56:08,900 --> 00:56:10,780
find it in like 10 minutes.
And he's like, well, that's

871
00:56:10,780 --> 00:56:13,580
because it's John Taylor.
But.

872
00:56:13,580 --> 00:56:17,660
Nonetheless.
Right, proclaiming liberty and

873
00:56:17,660 --> 00:56:21,860
equal rights, that's what the
elders during that time are

874
00:56:21,860 --> 00:56:25,940
going to be doing.
And so I think we have a clear

875
00:56:25,940 --> 00:56:30,620
mandate on this, right?
Again, never out of force, but

876
00:56:30,620 --> 00:56:34,780
being able to make our case to
being able to, to talk about

877
00:56:34,780 --> 00:56:39,260
these things in a way that is
coherent, that can win hearts

878
00:56:39,260 --> 00:56:41,460
and minds because I think that's
super important.

879
00:56:42,420 --> 00:56:45,580
And that is because I feel like
we are, we are coming into a

880
00:56:45,580 --> 00:56:52,220
time now where quite frankly,
there's a lot of people that I

881
00:56:52,220 --> 00:56:57,020
think are looking for solutions
and answers.

882
00:56:58,420 --> 00:57:03,260
And unfortunately, I think our
youth have been Co opted in such

883
00:57:03,260 --> 00:57:09,300
a way that quite frankly they're
not seeing any hope anywhere.

884
00:57:13,860 --> 00:57:17,380
Just talking to a.
Talking to a guy not too long

885
00:57:17,380 --> 00:57:20,860
ago who talked about his son,
he's like, I'm not going to be

886
00:57:20,860 --> 00:57:22,980
able to buy Helm.
I'm not going to be able to do

887
00:57:22,980 --> 00:57:27,460
any of these things.
And as you start looking at some

888
00:57:27,460 --> 00:57:31,820
of the people, the people
themselves who are involved in

889
00:57:31,820 --> 00:57:34,900
some of these more nastier
things that are going on, the

890
00:57:34,900 --> 00:57:39,820
riots, the civil unrest, they're
feeling this the way.

891
00:57:39,820 --> 00:57:43,380
That we can combat.
This is by having a better

892
00:57:43,380 --> 00:57:47,060
answer.
And look, I'm a guy, even though

893
00:57:47,060 --> 00:57:50,060
I'm not great at it, I love
tech, I love technology.

894
00:57:50,060 --> 00:57:52,300
It's fun.
Poke some buttons mate.

895
00:57:52,300 --> 00:57:58,140
Until it works or breaks right?
However, sometimes the answers

896
00:57:58,140 --> 00:58:00,580
don't lie in front of you, they
lie in the back.

897
00:58:00,660 --> 00:58:04,220
Behind you.
There's a.

898
00:58:05,580 --> 00:58:07,180
There's a.
Principle in land.

899
00:58:07,180 --> 00:58:11,300
Surveying called latitudes and
departures and basically what it

900
00:58:11,300 --> 00:58:16,700
says is the farther you go out
even on a small error, the

901
00:58:16,700 --> 00:58:22,780
larger that error becomes.
So just as an example, if I was

902
00:58:22,780 --> 00:58:29,620
to turn, try to turn a 90° angle
and I was off by a, you know I

903
00:58:29,620 --> 00:58:31,220
was.
Off by a minute, say 89.

904
00:58:31,220 --> 00:58:34,980
Degrees.
I'm not going to see it in a

905
00:58:34,980 --> 00:58:37,580
foot, right?
If I go out on that bearing a

906
00:58:37,580 --> 00:58:40,140
foot from my point of origin,
I'm not going to see it.

907
00:58:40,780 --> 00:58:43,460
I'm probably not going to see
much at 100 feet.

908
00:58:44,780 --> 00:58:48,660
At 1000 feet, you might start to
notice a couple inches, but by

909
00:58:48,660 --> 00:58:53,780
the time you're out a couple
miles, now all of a sudden you

910
00:58:53,780 --> 00:58:56,580
are feet away from your mark.
And if you continue to project

911
00:58:56,580 --> 00:59:01,380
that if you were going to a far
off land, you would completely

912
00:59:01,380 --> 00:59:04,860
miss the land you were trying to
get to.

913
00:59:07,100 --> 00:59:11,420
And so it becomes important that
sometimes we have to go back and

914
00:59:11,420 --> 00:59:15,060
we have to find our point of
origin again and then go

915
00:59:15,060 --> 00:59:18,060
forward.
And I think I hope that this is

916
00:59:18,060 --> 00:59:21,660
what this can do for some folks,
is take them back to the point

917
00:59:21,660 --> 00:59:25,700
of origin, get their bearings
straight and then head on that.

918
00:59:27,060 --> 00:59:31,940
So that that's really my hope
for this whole thing.

919
00:59:31,980 --> 00:59:34,500
Does anyone else have anything
they'd like to add here?

920
00:59:36,140 --> 00:59:37,140
I'd like.
To add something.

921
00:59:37,900 --> 00:59:40,100
Yeah, so Alex.
Jones was all.

922
00:59:40,420 --> 00:59:42,620
If anybody knows who Alex Jones?
If you don't know how Alex Jones

923
00:59:42,620 --> 00:59:44,660
says you must be living under a
rock at this point, actually.

924
00:59:44,660 --> 00:59:48,180
But Alex Jones was always
talking about we got to wake

925
00:59:48,180 --> 00:59:50,660
people up.
We got to show them the truth,

926
00:59:50,660 --> 00:59:53,740
the lies, everything's a lie,
the conspiracies, right?

927
00:59:54,500 --> 00:59:58,780
He was over the top, but he was
always trying to wake people up.

928
00:59:59,540 --> 01:00:03,420
But the focus was the lies.
And, you know, The funny thing

929
01:00:03,420 --> 01:00:07,500
is now, you know, Fast forward
20 years, everyone knows and

930
01:00:07,500 --> 01:00:10,220
kind of agrees that the act, you
know, the government was kind of

931
01:00:10,220 --> 01:00:14,900
making the frogs gay.
And maybe, maybe they're lying

932
01:00:14,900 --> 01:00:17,780
to us, right?
And yet nonetheless, things

933
01:00:17,780 --> 01:00:21,540
right now, we're still not good
and kind of getting worse, even

934
01:00:21,540 --> 01:00:24,500
though people have woken up like
Alex Jones wanted.

935
01:00:25,100 --> 01:00:29,860
And I, I think the problem is
knowing what's wrong isn't the

936
01:00:29,860 --> 01:00:33,820
solution.
It's waking people up to what's

937
01:00:33,820 --> 01:00:37,940
actually right.
If that movement was focused on

938
01:00:37,940 --> 01:00:41,340
constitutional principles, I
think, you know, our country

939
01:00:41,340 --> 01:00:45,140
could be saved.
But we still need.

940
01:00:45,140 --> 01:00:47,420
That wake up there's.
So many people that need to be

941
01:00:47,420 --> 01:00:53,540
woken up to understand what the
truth is, what, you know,

942
01:00:53,540 --> 01:00:57,300
Christian nationals, all these
different cults of politics

943
01:00:57,300 --> 01:00:58,940
popping up.
Candace Owens.

944
01:00:59,300 --> 01:01:02,340
I think part of that's happening
because as conservatives or as

945
01:01:02,420 --> 01:01:04,980
religious people, as believers
in the laws of God.

946
01:01:09,060 --> 01:01:10,860
We're not waking people up, you
know?

947
01:01:11,260 --> 01:01:14,940
We're not awake, and we need to
wake people up to these

948
01:01:14,940 --> 01:01:22,860
principles and these truths 100.
Percent, Yeah, Can I add?

949
01:01:23,220 --> 01:01:29,020
Add to that a little bit too,
you know, Alex Jones, his whole

950
01:01:29,100 --> 01:01:34,700
his website domain was Infowars.
He was focused on if we could

951
01:01:34,700 --> 01:01:38,540
just inform people.
But a lot of times, I mean, you

952
01:01:38,540 --> 01:01:42,300
got to have information to come
to correct conclusions.

953
01:01:42,300 --> 01:01:47,100
That's that's a vital step, but
it's, you know, the problems

954
01:01:47,100 --> 01:01:51,460
that we're seeing in the United
States is not just ignorance.

955
01:01:51,660 --> 01:01:57,180
And when ignorance isn't the
problem, education is not the.

956
01:01:57,180 --> 01:01:59,460
Solution.
Or, you know, spreading the word

957
01:01:59,460 --> 01:02:03,300
information is not the solution.
And so I think just a very

958
01:02:03,300 --> 01:02:07,500
practical way to to consider
this class and in this this

959
01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:10,620
whole exercise of going through
these principles is not just

960
01:02:10,620 --> 01:02:15,460
about, you know, feeding the the
mind, but it's about, you know,

961
01:02:15,580 --> 01:02:19,020
fortifying our hearts.
And, you know, it's the

962
01:02:19,020 --> 01:02:21,500
morality, not just the
information.

963
01:02:21,900 --> 01:02:26,380
And who was it, Franklin, that
said as they were coming out of

964
01:02:26,380 --> 01:02:30,940
the Constitutional Convention?
The lady's like, hey, what kind

965
01:02:30,940 --> 01:02:33,300
of a government have you have
you come to?

966
01:02:33,300 --> 01:02:37,620
And he says a Republic, ma'am,
if you can keep it.

967
01:02:37,860 --> 01:02:42,180
And John Adams said that this
constitution was designed for a

968
01:02:42,180 --> 01:02:46,660
moral people and it was wholly
inadequate to govern any other.

969
01:02:46,660 --> 01:02:51,060
So while these while we are
engaging intellectually in these

970
01:02:51,060 --> 01:02:55,060
conversations and as we're
reading these things, the the

971
01:02:55,060 --> 01:02:59,180
goal is to plant a seed deeper
than the mind and into the heart

972
01:02:59,180 --> 01:03:01,980
to, to to frame.
Help us.

973
01:03:02,260 --> 01:03:06,660
To guard against, you know,
seductive ideas that are

974
01:03:06,660 --> 01:03:10,380
immoral, even though it might be
somebody with an R by their name

975
01:03:10,380 --> 01:03:13,340
or somebody that, you know, says
a lot, you know, lip service to

976
01:03:13,340 --> 01:03:17,620
the Constitution.
You know, it's anybody talks

977
01:03:17,620 --> 01:03:21,740
cheap, you know, is it, I think
James, it's like don't, don't be

978
01:03:21,740 --> 01:03:24,140
just a hearer of the word.
Do it.

979
01:03:24,380 --> 01:03:28,500
We have to do it.
And just a very direct threat.

980
01:03:28,500 --> 01:03:31,100
Like Justin was just throwing
out a few names, but even

981
01:03:31,100 --> 01:03:34,700
amongst Mormons, there is a
growing trend toward

982
01:03:34,860 --> 01:03:38,660
nationalism.
And those quotes that you just

983
01:03:38,660 --> 01:03:42,340
shared from Brigham Young,
Joseph Smith, John Taylor are a

984
01:03:42,420 --> 01:03:46,740
bulletproof refutation and
rejection of any kind of form of

985
01:03:46,740 --> 01:03:50,620
Mormon nationalism.
No, the Constitution, which is

986
01:03:50,780 --> 01:03:55,140
safeguarding freedom of belief,
freedom of speech, freedom of

987
01:03:55,140 --> 01:03:59,660
thought, That is Mormonism and
that's that's Christianity.

988
01:04:00,540 --> 01:04:05,140
And if we were to establish a
theocracy of like a basically a

989
01:04:05,140 --> 01:04:08,820
Mormon dictatorship, that even
if it was like all.

990
01:04:08,820 --> 01:04:11,340
Of the Mormon.
Laws that we wanted and like all

991
01:04:11,340 --> 01:04:15,100
of our dreams came true and and
we could outlaw pornography and

992
01:04:15,100 --> 01:04:19,700
outlaw caffeine, depending on
your branch of Mormonism or

993
01:04:19,780 --> 01:04:21,340
whatever.
Like, gosh.

994
01:04:22,740 --> 01:04:26,220
But you know, even if, even if.
Your wildest dreams could, if it

995
01:04:26,220 --> 01:04:29,420
was possible to make those all
come true, that would be

996
01:04:29,620 --> 01:04:31,860
Antichrist.
That would be anti Mormon.

997
01:04:31,860 --> 01:04:34,660
That's not the principles we're
after or that we should be

998
01:04:34,660 --> 01:04:37,340
after.
And so just as we're as we're

999
01:04:37,340 --> 01:04:41,180
considering these, these are
some intellectual ideas, but

1000
01:04:41,180 --> 01:04:45,860
it's about cultivating stronger
moral foundations for us, for

1001
01:04:45,860 --> 01:04:48,500
our kids that, you know, that's
that's what I'm trying to

1002
01:04:49,460 --> 01:04:53,140
emphasize in my home.
Absolutely.

1003
01:04:53,140 --> 01:04:55,380
I'm glad you brought them.
So thanks.

1004
01:04:55,500 --> 01:04:57,460
Thanks for being here and thanks
for that Taylor.

1005
01:04:58,140 --> 01:05:00,020
Someone else have anything
they'd like to add?

1006
01:05:05,580 --> 01:05:12,180
Anybody.
You know, the other thing I was

1007
01:05:12,180 --> 01:05:18,700
going to say tonight is I, I
want everyone to know that if

1008
01:05:18,700 --> 01:05:20,100
you have.
An idea you want to.

1009
01:05:20,100 --> 01:05:26,020
Share that's not maybe expressly
in I encourage you to do that.

1010
01:05:26,620 --> 01:05:29,100
And the reason I encourage you
to do that is something that

1011
01:05:29,100 --> 01:05:34,860
Washington said.
So it was right after the, the

1012
01:05:34,860 --> 01:05:37,460
constant, I shouldn't say right
after, it was right before the

1013
01:05:37,460 --> 01:05:40,780
1st vote on the Constitutional
Convention.

1014
01:05:42,300 --> 01:05:46,180
And Washington gets up.
And he says something very

1015
01:05:46,180 --> 01:05:49,180
interesting.
He says, gentlemen, we haven't

1016
01:05:49,220 --> 01:05:53,100
been employed here these long
months in discussing these

1017
01:05:53,100 --> 01:05:57,300
things.
And he said let us.

1018
01:05:57,300 --> 01:06:00,660
Raise a standard now.
To which the wise and noble can

1019
01:06:00,660 --> 01:06:03,940
repair.
The event is in God's hands.

1020
01:06:04,620 --> 01:06:07,980
And then he he turns and he sits
down for the vote.

1021
01:06:09,620 --> 01:06:11,180
Now what's?
Interesting.

1022
01:06:11,620 --> 01:06:17,380
Is that he's obviously telling
us that, hey, it's not perfect

1023
01:06:17,380 --> 01:06:20,780
yet, right?
And certainly we can even see

1024
01:06:20,780 --> 01:06:25,180
this idea expressed in our
founding documents, right, to

1025
01:06:25,180 --> 01:06:30,780
create a more perfect union,
understanding that we're always

1026
01:06:30,780 --> 01:06:35,700
going to be striving to get a
little bit closer to what these

1027
01:06:35,700 --> 01:06:38,660
things should be.
So I don't want anyone feeling

1028
01:06:38,660 --> 01:06:41,060
like, gosh, I really have an
idea, but I don't know where

1029
01:06:41,060 --> 01:06:46,020
it's at in the Constitution and
being afraid to share it because

1030
01:06:46,300 --> 01:06:48,940
I think there's room here.
Vanessa, I see your hand.

1031
01:06:48,940 --> 01:06:50,420
Go up.
Go ahead and take yourself off

1032
01:06:50,420 --> 01:06:52,780
Mute.
Yeah.

1033
01:06:53,660 --> 01:06:58,460
I've got a little bit of
communism on the brain, but it's

1034
01:06:58,460 --> 01:07:01,180
very interesting as I've been
studying it to see that it's

1035
01:07:01,180 --> 01:07:04,460
kind of, it's a doctrine of
maximum compulsion.

1036
01:07:04,460 --> 01:07:06,900
Like it only works if we force
everybody.

1037
01:07:07,460 --> 01:07:09,660
And that is obviously that's
Satan's plan.

1038
01:07:09,660 --> 01:07:11,620
You know, you have to force
everyone.

1039
01:07:11,620 --> 01:07:17,340
And, and I find it interesting
that one of the absolute goals

1040
01:07:17,340 --> 01:07:22,780
of the communist movement is to
discredit the Founding fathers,

1041
01:07:22,860 --> 01:07:30,820
to destroy people's faith in
moral men and to make us ashamed

1042
01:07:30,820 --> 01:07:36,340
of our country and to help us
to, to destroy the, the, the

1043
01:07:36,340 --> 01:07:39,860
Constitution and our, the
beliefs that we've been set up

1044
01:07:39,860 --> 01:07:41,860
with.
And that's because it is a

1045
01:07:41,860 --> 01:07:45,940
threat to that idea.
So it's very important, I would

1046
01:07:45,940 --> 01:07:50,540
think to study these things all
the more because that's the only

1047
01:07:50,540 --> 01:07:53,740
way to combat that is to keep,
keep them strong and keep them

1048
01:07:53,740 --> 01:07:57,020
in our minds and, and to, to
study them as much as we can.

1049
01:07:58,900 --> 01:08:04,020
Absolutely.
Thanks Vanessa and and you're.

1050
01:08:04,020 --> 01:08:08,140
100%.
Correct again.

1051
01:08:08,140 --> 01:08:10,780
It's important that we're.
So familiar with the truth of

1052
01:08:10,780 --> 01:08:16,180
these things that when an
imposter comes along, we can, we

1053
01:08:16,180 --> 01:08:20,420
can absolutely spot it a mile
away and not just get ourselves

1054
01:08:20,420 --> 01:08:24,700
and our families out of danger,
out of harm's way, but be but do

1055
01:08:24,700 --> 01:08:28,140
that for, for, for others around
us in our sphere of influence.

1056
01:08:28,939 --> 01:08:34,380
One of the things that that
absolutely kind of surprised me

1057
01:08:36,220 --> 01:08:41,100
was was the the the rise of
Christian nationalism and how

1058
01:08:41,100 --> 01:08:44,779
many Mormons were looking at
that, especially young men and

1059
01:08:44,779 --> 01:08:46,340
felt like that that was a good
idea.

1060
01:08:47,500 --> 01:08:50,899
Now, certainly they have some
valid points, right?

1061
01:08:51,939 --> 01:08:56,859
You know, a large a bunch of
what this country was kind of,

1062
01:08:57,020 --> 01:09:01,100
you know, founded on where were
some judeo-christian principles.

1063
01:09:01,939 --> 01:09:05,500
But there were other things
there that added to the genius

1064
01:09:05,500 --> 01:09:08,740
of the Constitution.
But it just goes to show that

1065
01:09:09,340 --> 01:09:12,819
when things get crazy and, and
look, we live in crazy Times

1066
01:09:12,819 --> 01:09:16,060
Now, right?
I think, I think September of

1067
01:09:16,060 --> 01:09:20,740
last year showed us that, that,
that we've kind of entered into

1068
01:09:20,740 --> 01:09:23,939
a new phase of things.
And so it's going to be super

1069
01:09:23,939 --> 01:09:27,420
important for our kids, sakes,
heck, for our sakes, that we

1070
01:09:27,420 --> 01:09:30,380
don't get swept up in any of
those movements that we can be,

1071
01:09:30,700 --> 01:09:34,340
that we can be governed by
principle and that we can we can

1072
01:09:34,340 --> 01:09:39,220
go forward with that.
So, yeah, Vanessa, thanks.

1073
01:09:39,220 --> 01:09:43,420
I really do appreciate that.
Anybody else anything else

1074
01:09:43,420 --> 01:09:54,850
they'd like to add?
OK, well, if nobody has anything

1075
01:09:54,850 --> 01:09:57,370
else to add, that's where I
wanted to stop tonight.

1076
01:09:57,370 --> 01:10:02,770
I just wanted to kind of set the
table for us and just be able to

1077
01:10:02,770 --> 01:10:04,490
kind of get get our feet under
us.

1078
01:10:04,770 --> 01:10:08,570
If you don't have the book
again, I'll post these slides.

1079
01:10:08,980 --> 01:10:14,380
You guys can just copy those
addresses right in there and and

1080
01:10:14,380 --> 01:10:18,180
can go go grab a copy of that
book again next week.

1081
01:10:18,180 --> 01:10:20,420
We're going to go pages one
through 33.

1082
01:10:20,940 --> 01:10:24,940
That will be by far the heaviest
amount of reading we do at one

1083
01:10:24,940 --> 01:10:27,620
time for one class throughout
this whole thing.

1084
01:10:28,220 --> 01:10:32,020
So you get to that.
It's all downhill.

1085
01:10:34,780 --> 01:10:36,220
OK.
Last call.

1086
01:10:37,660 --> 01:10:39,260
I just wanted to say thanks,
Dave and thanks.

1087
01:10:39,260 --> 01:10:40,940
Everyone, I'm looking forward to
next week.

1088
01:10:41,900 --> 01:10:43,020
Thanks, Tim.
I appreciate.

1089
01:10:43,020 --> 01:10:44,300
It.
All right.

1090
01:10:44,540 --> 01:10:47,140
With that, I guess we'll go
ahead and we'll, we'll wrap it

1091
01:10:47,140 --> 01:10:50,300
up here.
Corey, would you mind wrapping

1092
01:10:50,300 --> 01:10:52,260
this up with a closing prayer
for US, brother?

1093
01:10:55,540 --> 01:11:00,620
Totally our dear Father in
heaven, we're just grateful

1094
01:11:00,620 --> 01:11:02,860
entity today just to get
together and have some of these

1095
01:11:02,860 --> 01:11:07,500
conversations because you know,
we really do love liberty and we

1096
01:11:07,820 --> 01:11:11,140
love our religious freedom and
the the feeling that the gospel

1097
01:11:11,140 --> 01:11:15,460
brings to our life and we like
to share that with others and

1098
01:11:15,500 --> 01:11:19,780
preserve the freedoms that we
have and we know we we're going

1099
01:11:19,780 --> 01:11:25,580
to need to know a lot of little
details and principles to to be.

1100
01:11:25,580 --> 01:11:29,020
Able to really articulate.
And stand up for these wonderful

1101
01:11:29,020 --> 01:11:33,260
principles of the Constitution.
So it's really wonderful that

1102
01:11:33,260 --> 01:11:36,260
we're gathering together to have
these conversations and ask thy

1103
01:11:36,260 --> 01:11:39,740
blessings on all of us here so
that our understanding will

1104
01:11:39,740 --> 01:11:42,940
increase.
They will have better answers

1105
01:11:42,940 --> 01:11:45,980
than we've had before.
And.

1106
01:11:46,140 --> 01:11:48,260
Bless us up.
With our individual needs that

1107
01:11:48,260 --> 01:11:54,060
will feel comforted and directed
by the just grateful for the

1108
01:11:54,060 --> 01:11:58,340
love of thy son and.
Just ask for those.

1109
01:11:58,340 --> 01:12:00,780
Blessings on us in the name of
Jesus Christ, Amen.

1110
01:12:02,780 --> 01:12:03,860
Amen.
Thanks, Corey.

1111
01:12:05,140 --> 01:12:07,380
All right, thanks everybody.
And look, if you guys have

1112
01:12:07,380 --> 01:12:11,380
anybody else who who you think
you'd like to that they'd enjoy

1113
01:12:11,380 --> 01:12:14,540
this, don't don't be bashful
about passing around the link.

1114
01:12:14,540 --> 01:12:18,020
I think I think this Zoom
license will handle either 100

1115
01:12:18,020 --> 01:12:20,820
or 200 people, I can't remember,
but we got plenty of room.

1116
01:12:20,820 --> 01:12:25,260
So don't be afraid to to pass
this out to people who may may

1117
01:12:25,260 --> 01:12:28,860
want to hear it as well.
So I appreciate everybody being

1118
01:12:28,860 --> 01:12:30,460
here.
I appreciate all the comments

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that were added and I'm looking
already looking forward to next

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week.
Thanks everybody.