Episode#54: The Infiltration of Our Churches, Schools, & Institutions W/Julie Behling Part 1

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We're living in a world today
that just feels wrong from our

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jobs to our schools, and for
some folks, even their churches.

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It's as if we've slipped into
some kind of dystopian future

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where things have gone off the
rails so badly that we don't

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recognize our world any longer.
If you're like me, sometimes it

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makes you sit back and wonder if
I'm the only one that sees these

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things, you're if you're crazy.
Look, I'm guessing if Here and

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you're listening to this podcast
it's because you're seeking

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answers today.
I have a conversation with

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somebody that I think will give
you those answers and let you

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know it's just not you in that
you're not crazy and that

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something is very, very wrong.
Her name is Julie be lean.

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Julie is a mom and an author who
serves an LDS mission in Russia.

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After that.
She attended University where

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she did her thesis on Christians
in Soviet Russia.

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Julie, then discovered some
information that quite frankly

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is very Julius detailed and
documented the Communist

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infiltration into America's most
trusted institution schools, and

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even our churches, Julie,
documents.

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All of this in her book beneath
sheep's clothing, and I can't

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recommend that book enough.
Julie, here breaks down what she

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saw on her Mission and Russia
and then we discuss the

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infiltration of communist
influence into America.

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Now, our first conversation only
lasted an hour and I was still

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left with a lot of questions.
So she was gracious enough to

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come back on and do a part 2.
So as soon as you're done here,

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head right back to the website
and check out part 2.

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The book is called beneath

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sheep's clothing.
In this book, the author Julie

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be Ling breaks down the
Communist infiltration into our

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schools institutions, and
perhaps even most distressing

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our churches, the book backs up
its claims with well cited

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sources.
So you can go do the research

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yourself, this book will allow
you to See the Communist tactics

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and gives you the tools on how
to combat this Insidious

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movement in America Julia's,
right now, trying to raise money

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to make the book into a
documentary and I can't

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buy the book.
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Renegade podcast.
Well, Julie, thanks for coming

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on, thanks for having me.
So, when I first heard about

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your book, I was super
fascinated because educate,

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public education has been
something that that I've talked

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about before here on the podcast
and had people on at what point

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did you decide you were going to
like start homeschooling your

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kids?
Well, I have one son and he's 8

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and I kind of actually assumed I
would homeschool him from the

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get-go before I even had.
My head in pretty late in life,

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but then being the only child,
he did attend Like Preschool,

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Global part-time preschool.
And then, I did end up and I

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were, I've been working this
whole time.

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I did put him in a charter
school for kindergarten.

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This was the 2019 2020 school
year, which was interrupted.

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And once the mask mandates were,
you know, came down for the next

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school year.
I was like, no, we're not doing

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this.
I'm not masking my events

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six-year-old, so I homeschooled
him from that point.

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Ain't I put him in a charter
school again for a while, but I

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have recently pulled him out and
probably will be doing

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homeschooling or some sort of
alternative schooling from here

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on out, so, right on.
So what was the impetus for the

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book?
Oh, okay, well my, but beneath

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sheep's clothing.
It's that's a kind of a long

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answer to that question.
I started an LDS mission in

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Russia in the late 90s and was
there, you know, pretty just a

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few years after the collapse of
the Soviet Union.

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So I really got up close and
personal with post-communist

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life in Russia.
And I met a lot of people who

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had been very negatively
impacted by communism people who

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spent time in the gulag people
had been Ties by the stalinist

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era, a lot of elderly people
with really a lot of trauma.

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And I came back for my mission
and I ended up getting a dual

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Masters at Florida State
University, a dual Masters, in

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Russian language, and literature
in Russian, and East European

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studies.
And for my Russian and East

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European studies degree, I
decided to write a thesis and I

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just felt drawn towards
researching the Christians under

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ground crew.
Kitchens during the Soviet Union

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and then I kind of honed in more
as I began my research.

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What exactly that would look
like and my interest in that

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came from my mission from coming
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Well, first of all, out of the,
I don't know, like a thousand

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people or so that I asked if
they believed in God in the

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course of my mission.
I was very surprised that out of

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everyone I asked I thought there
was only one person who said

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they were atheist, And I found
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Everyone was either.
Yes, I believe in God, or I'm

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open to believing in God and I'm
searching.

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It was kind of a bit of a golden
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Let me ask you this.
How did that come about?

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Because if you read Marx, he's
very clear that that religion is

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the Opium of the masses, right?
That, that that this idea of

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religion and it God is very,
it's almost threatening to to

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Marxism and leninism because
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That, that the state was almost
supposed to be God, right?

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State was God, right?
And they're the leader of the

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state was, was God for sure.
No religion, especially

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Christianity, where some of the
top enemies of Communism and had

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to be taken out what they found.
So that in the early Decades of

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the Soviet Union, especially in
the right at the beginning of

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it, they did Mass arrests of
Christian clergy tortures, you

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know, Cick, you Shinzo putting
people in the prison camps and

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it was a bloodbath.
It was a bloodbath all around

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and of course they bombed
churches.

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They, you know, demolished them,
they base act.

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Then they took out all of the
especially the Orthodox churches

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with a lot of gold and like,
jewel-encrusted icons, they, you

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know, sacked all of that.
But what they found but by World

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War Two, and during the most
repressive years of Stalin that

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there was actually enclaves of
Entity that were strengthening

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underground and that we're
gaining gaining more and more

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strength, and they could not
estate, extinguish religion.

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And once the World War Two ended
installing died, there was it

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what they had?
The thought, they called it, the

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thaw.
And so, some of the really

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repressive things that had
happened, especially in the 30s

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and 40s, early 50s with Stalin
that kind of lifted.

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And they actually let a lot of
people go from the gulag early

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and among those people were a
lot of Christian clergy.

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And then there was a bit of a
Christian and religious revival

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at that time.
In the mid 50's 60's and so but

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the Soviet state kind of
rearranged its tactics and but

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my Master's thesis focused on
the tactics the anti-religious

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tactics for the world war to end
of WWII up until perestroika to

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the mid 80s because it was a
more sophisticated set of

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tactics.
And instead of just a Brute

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Force, we're going to kill
everyone or execute or you know

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imprison everyone it Like me and
how can we do this more

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effectively?
And so I really focused on A3

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when I discovered where the
three main anti-religious

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tactics and the first one was
not really any secret

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anti-religious propaganda and
buying it with Pro communist

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propaganda in the schools in the
media in all of the Arts, you

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know, poetry had to had to
endorse communism.

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They could not have poets that
did not glorify a communism.

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They could not have Lawmakers
that didn't glorify communism,

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there could be no sculptors or
any musician or anything,

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everything had to glorify
communism, and make fun of

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religion.
Christianity, of course, being

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foremost Among Us and the second
tactic was, instead of keeping

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up their complete, just outright
persecution of Christians, they

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backed off and they gave a lot
of concessions, but they there

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was one group that they continue
to persecute very heavily and

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these Fringe Christian groups
that did not go along with the

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government.
They did not register with the

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government because there was a
cost of registering with the

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government you basically would
sign a way different parts of

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your of your beliefs in order to
register officially with the

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Soviet state.
So the Christians that I studied

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that were the Renegade
Christians.

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The underground Baptists,
underground Pentecostals,

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Seventh-Day, Adventists, and
Jehovah's Witnesses.

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They were still, they were
enemies of the state Numero Uno.

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And they had the Mass state
still after them all the way up

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through the mid 80s, the third
tactic was a new one that they

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developed.
That's pretty chilling.

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Probably, the most effective,
anti-religious tactic was

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infiltration of the churches and
they did this with KGB agents

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who posed as would be clergy
going into the seminaries and

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going into lead all the churches
and to control the churches with

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from within this was done, you
know, as you were describing

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that it's kind of chilling,
right?

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His I think I think you can make
case that at least two of the

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three.
We're seeing right now today in

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the first of all, three.
All three II didn't know how,

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the registering part would work
like, you were saying, well, but

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the good, the government
controls of Richard Wright and,

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and we saw that during covid,
right?

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When when the government was
able to say, shut down the

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churches and everybody just shut
down.

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That was, that was spooky.
That was To me the first time I

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can remember.
We're a guaranteed right?

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That that, you know, Madison had
had made sure was there, right?

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The your First Amendment right?
Right to conscience that was

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compromised for the first time I
can ever remember on a big scale

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and what scared me is we just
took it right.

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There wasn't an outcry.
So, so when when those folks are

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driven underground like that, do
you think that that Christianity

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still managed to spread or do
you think that they could they

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did contain it?
Well, I mean both.

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Yeah, the Soviet state.
The remaining, there were

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millions of casualties, and of
course they did decimate, the

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faith of many people.
So, one of the things that was

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really common, when I was a
missionary, there was meeting

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people who talking about baptism
and they would say, oh yeah, my

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grandma baptized me in the
woods.

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So a lot of little Russian
Grandma's would take their

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little grandchildren out into
the woods.

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Woods and baptize them secretly
and I would still transmit their

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faith to them.
But they were a little most of

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most of these types of
Christians were taught there.

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They taught their kids that they
had to pretend they had to just

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go along with the script to keep
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So there's a whole lot of that
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The ones I studied for my

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thesis.
I mean these people were super

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amazing.
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on a regular Yes, it was, you
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have like a public baptism or,
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teaching their kids to pray.
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the underground Pentecostals in
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just revoke their parental
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Well you're abusing your child
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course trying to brainwash them
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the impetus for writing the
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Did you start seeing these
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education?
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education.
I wrote most of this book.

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Well the first part of my book
again, beneath sheep's, clothing

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of is the name of it.
The subtitle is the Communist

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takeover of culture in the USSR
and parallels.

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In today's America, I didn't
have my son, I had my ID Written

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most of his book before I even
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came later.
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attention.
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when the flds had their had El
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government had their children
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Yeah, that was a guy that was
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with the Soviets did to the
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Yeah.
And then I started looking more

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deeply and you know I'm not I'm
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from what from what you said
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fan of his either, but there's
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but that doesn't mean the
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just take over and not go
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channels and the proper due
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So I started looking more deeply
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tactics.
The anti-religious tactics that

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I studied in my thesis, I saw
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But like I saw it was just yeah,
it was bad.

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And it only got worse though,
with a little more time has gone

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on.
It's gotten exponentially worse

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especially with.
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worse.
We haven't seen the government

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come against Another church
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that, you know, is big on the
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if there are churches and groups
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government, I predict that we
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that is so spooky and you're
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And what's interesting is that
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the flds, And I hope I'm getting
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I might be wrong, but I believe
the man's name was Leroy

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Johnson.
I might be wrong, but he was the

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original leader of the flds
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the 40s and the 50s and for all
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was a pretty decent guy, right?
He wasn't rearranging families,

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he wasn't doing anything like
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And so what you have is once the
short Creek grades, Were to

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happen if forced those people
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And whenever you force a people
into the Shadows, you set them

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up for one or two things.
One is, is constant distrust and

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maybe turn them a little bit
militant which didn't

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necessarily happen this time or
you set them up to become

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victims of a tyrant.
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And that's what the short
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because it allowed it allowed
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in.
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warns, Dad to come in there and
see, say, look there.

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They really are after you.
So you listen to me and I'm

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going to keep you safe.
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brutal.
It's absolutely brutal.

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Anytime you force a church of
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Shadows.
One of those one or two things

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is going to happen every time.
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Absolutely.
And so I find it interesting

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that the government creates the
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to try to fix the problem.
Only, they once again, just

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violate all sorts of
constitutional rights in getting

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it done, the other, the other
big example of the government,

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going after a fringe religious,
Nation which is even worse than

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the 2008.
One was the Branch Davidians of

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Waco 1993.
And I was graduating from high

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school.
I was like in my final month of

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high school when that happened.
And so I just believed whatever

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I saw on the news, but when I
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out of everything I researched
the treatment of the Branch

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Davidians and what happened
there, we don't know everything,

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but what we do know is horrific,
it's it is absolutely one of the

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worst things I've ever.
Ever researched.

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And what I could I was probably
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in high school and that was
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And what I remember most is, I
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what did they do wrong, right?
What, what was it?

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That was going on that cause the
government show up in the first

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place.
I was young, but and I wasn't

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raised Mormon of any stripe.
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So I understood you could.
Get away with a lot as long as

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you weren't raising eyebrows,
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So, I was always like, what was
it that those folks did that

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caused the eyebrows to raise,
and I've heard things like, they

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were amassing weapons, or
something like that, but it

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seems to be a pretty weak
argument to show up with the

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amount of force that they did
and and you can correct me here,

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but I'm going to say this both
Ruby Ridge.

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And the Branch Davidian debacle
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Administration, the same party
and you got to ask some what's

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that?
I think Ruby Ridge.

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So was Ruby Ridge.
Push it?

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I think it was because the
branch to be okay Clinton had

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just been inaugurated like the
month before like a month and a

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half before the raid on the
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So Ruby Ridge must have happened
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BL.
It was the same.

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ATF leadership been and from
what I've researched under

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Clinton.
They did get more.

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They did get additional funding
and they kind of wanted to show

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the new president.
This was only part of the puzzle

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that they that they were going
to be doing a lot of great

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things protecting America.
And so they needed to put on a

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big show to even Lobby for more
funding.

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That's one aspect of it, but
there's other clues that I

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can't.
Prove.

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But there's other clues that
let's just say that Bill and

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Hillary Clinton may have been
putting this show on to try to

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scare religious organizations
into compliance.

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There's evidence for that, I
can't prove it but there's

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evidence for it and not just
them other other players to the

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government as well.
So as you as you researched your

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book and you start to put the
pieces together, How far how far

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along that Revolutionary Road?
Are we?

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The thing is, nobody knows.
Nobody knows exactly how things

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are going to unfold.
I mean, we're pretty far gone.

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We're pretty far gone, but a
mass Awakening of people and it

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Mass people standing up and
Awakening to what's really going

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on.
Can I think prevent some of the

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worst plots from, you know,
unfolding completely?

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But we're not going to escape
some crazy times, right?

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When I watched When I watched
the riots happen, the I believe

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it was the summer of 2020 after
George Floyd was killed.

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And that was, that was horrible,
right?

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I'll never say that that was
right or whatever, but you could

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tell that a lot of the riots
that were happening weren't

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necessarily Grassroots.
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Right these.
These had been Orchestrated,

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they've been orchestrated.
Thank you.

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Yeah, you're exactly right.
And if you read Marx and you

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understand that that conflict
has to exist before communism

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can take root and you heard some
of the things that they were

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saying it was really spooky and
that caused me to go.

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Look at black lives matter ink
and look at just the website,

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right?
And so I get on there and the

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first thing they talk about is
that they want to disrupt.

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The nuclear family going back to
what Hillary Clinton had said

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about.
You know, it takes a village

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sort of a thing, but if you
again, go back to Mark's, you

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can see the seeds, right?
Because Marx, was all about the

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idea of getting rid of the
Bourgeois family that it needed

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to go away.
And that those kids were the

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property of the state, not the
parents.

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Yeah.
The other thing that I

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discovered is that the actual
founder was a trained Marxist.

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She admitted So it was really
spooky to see it because I

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really came of age.
I can remember when the, when

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the wall fell which was really
the I mean, this the USSR hadn't

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completely Fallen yet, but that
was kind of like, oh no, they're

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done, right?
This is the death throes and so

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it was weird for me to have to
look at all this and go.

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Okay, it didn't die.
It just changed it.

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They just took off a military
uniform and put something else

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on. well, when it gets, even
when you look further into the

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roots of Communism and America,
You see that this is probably

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one of most controversial parts
of my book but it's probably not

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going to be controversial to you
or your audience.

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You look back at the roots of
let's say infiltrating America's

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churches with Communists which
was done at whoops.

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Beginning well over 100 years
ago infiltrating the school will

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as public school was being
developed, insinuate pushing it

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in with socialism and communism.
This was funded by like the

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Rockefeller Foundation, Carnegie
foundation and guess who funded

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the Russian Revolution and
funded Lennon.

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It was the same people is what
monopolistic capitalists from

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America.
I think there were some maybe

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from Germany that helped fund it
too, but they're the same

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people, the same people, they
began infiltrating things here,

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organizations here, in America,
with Communism, and funding

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Lenin in the Soviet Union.
So, Let me ask you this Julie

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because I'm always fascinated
with this.

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And I don't doubt you for a
minute because I've seen a lot

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of evidence that points to that,
but I haven't been able to make

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sense of it.
Communism at its core is, is

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really anti-capitalistic.
You can make an argument they

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dig State capitalism but even
that I mean, a true blue.

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Well top Marxist strives for
This Global takeover, right?

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That That the revolution has to
sweep the globe in order for it

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to be truly successful, right?
Why would folks like the

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Carnegie's The Rockefellers,
those sorts of people?

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Why would they throw their lot
in with them?

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Because they made their money
from a capitalist system?

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What was the draw to get the
Rockefellers and the Carnegie's

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to, to jump into that?
Well, they made their money over

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there too, because Russia was
just beginning to industrialize.

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And so, They were able to go and
make money off of the

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industrialization of Russia and
that's one thing.

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Number two, it's all about
control.

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And and these people, you have,
they're not true.

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Capitalists are monopolistic
capitalists.

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They want to keep themselves and
their family lines.

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At the top of the Heap can
communism, is a handy control

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grid to keep the rest of the
masses down?

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Sure.
Not makes.

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That makes perfect sense.
Another question I got for you

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and I feel like this is really
important especially for some of

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my LDS listeners.
How when you talk about,

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infiltrating the church's,
right?

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And I think we can see that
right?

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With the church that like Barack
Obama attended and and Oprah

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Winfrey attended where, you
know, Jeremiah Wright.

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I believe his name is, you can
go Google him and find all sorts

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of just horrible things.
He said, yeah.

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When you say infiltrate, are you
talking about they actively

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place for lack of a better word
operatives in the pews, or are

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they banking on this idea of
culture, re-educating, the

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younger generation and then the
younger generation.

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Unknowingly does the, the
infiltrating in the churches

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for, for those in power.
Well, we have all the above and

452
00:27:31,300 --> 00:27:33,600
infiltrating at the top.
Ship levels.

453
00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:37,600
Now I will say this out of the
major churches in America, there

454
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,000
is less evidence of communist
infiltration into the LDS church

455
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,700
than there is in to any of the
others.

456
00:27:43,700 --> 00:27:47,000
That's good to know.
So but that, but there still is

457
00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:49,900
more recently, it's getting
problematic.

458
00:27:49,900 --> 00:27:52,800
But what?
So when I'm talking infiltration

459
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,300
of America's churches, what I
mean is that on paper, it's all

460
00:27:57,300 --> 00:28:00,400
their evidence that by
mid-century mid-twentieth

461
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,100
Century upwards of half of
America's Mainline, Christian

462
00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:07,300
churches were infiltrated at the
top and so what, what

463
00:28:07,300 --> 00:28:13,300
Rockefeller, what he did is, he
funded different operatives to

464
00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:17,000
go into the seminaries and then
become heads of seminaries and

465
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,200
then be training.
The pastor's, especially for the

466
00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:22,300
was called first.
It was called the federal

467
00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:25,100
Council of churches and then it
changed its name to the National

468
00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:27,400
Council of churches because it
started getting a bad rap

469
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,100
because people saw that they
were being infiltrated at the

470
00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:34,900
time, it was happening and They
did what these operatives did

471
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,000
is, they went in and they
started changing doctrines and

472
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,900
they started casting doubt on
the Divinity of Jesus.

473
00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:42,700
Now, that's fine.
If you have doubt in the

474
00:28:42,708 --> 00:28:45,600
Divinity of Jesus, but that's a
little strange for a Christian

475
00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:48,700
Pastor to cast doubt on the
Divinity of Jesus.

476
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,400
Yeah, I mean maybe you're in the
wrong profession.

477
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,000
If you don't believe in the
Divinity of Jesus, don't be a

478
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,000
Christian pastor, but they began
preaching from the pulpit

479
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,700
casting doubt on the Virgin
birth casting doubt on Jesus as

480
00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:05,200
a A savior.
You know, Jesus was just a

481
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,700
prophet.
He was just a good person and

482
00:29:07,700 --> 00:29:11,600
then what they switched they did
a little Switcheroo instead of

483
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,000
having to focus the app is far
as I understand it.

484
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,800
Correct me if I'm wrong, the
kernel of Christianity is that

485
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,800
mankind has fallen and God sent
Jesus to atone for the sins of

486
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,500
mankind.
We can be can turn ourselves

487
00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:27,700
over to Jesus become one with
him and we can be, we can be

488
00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:29,500
saved, right?
Is there a right that?

489
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,700
That's that's a pretty good
encapsulation of Iowa.

490
00:29:32,900 --> 00:29:36,400
Say just about all Christianity.
If that is the kernel of

491
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,800
Christianity, what they did,
what these operatives did is,

492
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,900
they went in there?
And instead of making it about

493
00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:47,300
an individual relationship with
God and about Redemption from

494
00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:50,700
sin, it became a social justice
gospel.

495
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,200
They peeled away, the aspect of
Christianity be where we are

496
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,500
supposed to do service to those
in need.

497
00:29:57,500 --> 00:30:00,300
Absolutely, but they peel that
away from the relationship with

498
00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:01,700
God.
Aspect discarded.

499
00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:05,700
The Friendship with God at least
the focus on it and now the

500
00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:11,100
focus is social justice.
And of course, we need people in

501
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:13,100
this world who care about the
downtrodden.

502
00:30:13,100 --> 00:30:17,100
That's essentially, the very can
see how easy it would be to play

503
00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:20,800
that Switcheroo game.
So now it's gotten you know,

504
00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:24,500
much more apparent by now.
But even by the mid-50s they had

505
00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:27,200
half of the church's half of
Mainline Christian churches in

506
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:32,500
America, Bamboozled with this
and then even by the 60s, you'd

507
00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:35,100
see the National Council of
churches, putting out pamphlets

508
00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:39,000
for teenagers, trying to strip
away at the principle of

509
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,300
Chastity and encouraging
teenagers.

510
00:30:41,300 --> 00:30:45,200
That it's okay to go and play
around and see what you like.

511
00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:49,200
You would expect that from
certain organizations, but not

512
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,000
from an organization
representing half of America's

513
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,600
Christian churches.
And there's, there's more.

514
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,700
Then you get into the black
liberation theology, which you

515
00:30:56,700 --> 00:30:59,800
mentioned, Jeremiah Wright
Liberation.

516
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,400
Theology.
That's how Communism spread in

517
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,300
Latin America unlike Colombia
and those different places they

518
00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:10,000
use Catholic priests, they
trained Catholic priests to be

519
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,900
Marxist, operatives to go in and
rally up the peasantry to turn

520
00:31:14,900 --> 00:31:17,400
against you.
And of course, the peasants in

521
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,100
Latin America were highly
impressed.

522
00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:23,400
It's not hard to find oppressed
people in history of the world,

523
00:31:23,500 --> 00:31:26,500
so it's very brilliant marks his
whole plan, find some depressed

524
00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:29,800
people, get them, rather them up
to anger against their oppressor

525
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,400
and get them to tear down
Society than the Marxist will

526
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,000
come in and take power and then
oh, everyone gets to still be

527
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,700
oppressed.
Yeah, but Liberation theology in

528
00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:42,400
Latin America came out.
Just a little bit for Black

529
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,400
Liberation but Theology and all
the evidence points to Black

530
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,100
Liberation.
Asian theology in America being

531
00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:52,700
up being a KGB operation.
And what's really interesting?

532
00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:55,000
And I haven't seen anyone
mention this anywhere.

533
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,400
I've discovered this, in my
research that the guy who

534
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,900
founded, he's credited with
founding Black Liberation

535
00:31:59,900 --> 00:32:03,800
theology, which for anyone who's
not familiar, it puts this.

536
00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:08,000
It's I mean it was before woke
is and became big, but it puts

537
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,000
the plight of black people being
oppressed and white.

538
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,300
People being the oppressors at
the heart of the Christian

539
00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:15,500
message.
It's like his marriage between

540
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:21,300
tween Christianity and a
struggle for remanence or just a

541
00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:25,100
struggle for to reduce
oppression amongst black people.

542
00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:27,200
You can see how they could be
tricked because obviously black

543
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,500
people have been oppressed
throughout history in America.

544
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:35,700
Anyways, But the man who was
credited with founding Black

545
00:32:35,700 --> 00:32:40,900
Liberation theology, Reverend
cone, he says that it was this

546
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,500
this white couple boy act, I
can't remember their first names

547
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:48,700
and, last names was the last
names were boy, ack, that they

548
00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:52,500
were this head of this Methodist
seminary in like Iowa or

549
00:32:52,500 --> 00:32:55,100
someplace where he was studying
and they gave him the idea and

550
00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:58,500
they encouraged him to come up
with this new Theory.

551
00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:01,400
Well, I looked into this couple
and I have to look at their

552
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,500
names, really?
You're good.

553
00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:08,600
Guess where they came after they
after they, I think they're KGB

554
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:09,600
operative.
Guess what?

555
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,200
After they they got this guy to
come up with black liberation

556
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:18,000
theology to infiltrate the
Christian churches for so many

557
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,900
of black Americans.
They came to Salt Lake City Utah

558
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:24,500
and they became movers and
shakers in the Christian realm,

559
00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:27,100
not the LDS.
But the, the Christian

560
00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:31,700
Societies, in Salt Lake City,
and in fact, they became high up

561
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:37,200
With in Westminster College wow
one of them was the dean of

562
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,500
students, they both passed away.
One of them was the dean of

563
00:33:41,700 --> 00:33:45,600
admissions or something.
And anyways, they won all these

564
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:50,600
awards for their work.
And how much do you want to bet?

565
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,200
They were?
They were tearing down aspects

566
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,900
and true Christianity, and Salt
Lake, and promoting Marxism

567
00:33:56,900 --> 00:34:00,600
instead?
Yeah, that whole story, I don't

568
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:05,200
doubt it for a minute and Going
back to the whole social justice

569
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,500
thing.
Yeah I remember when that

570
00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:13,699
started to really when I first
caught wind of this I want to

571
00:34:13,699 --> 00:34:18,100
say it was probably Midway
through Obama's second term and

572
00:34:18,100 --> 00:34:22,000
it became a buzzword right?
Social justice social justice

573
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,800
and you start peeling back the
layers especially within a

574
00:34:24,808 --> 00:34:28,500
religious context because at
first from a religious context

575
00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:32,000
you're like well I guess I can
see that to a degree, right?

576
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:36,000
We we get Christians.
We are commissioned to go and

577
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,600
relieve the suffering of others.
Yeah.

578
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:46,400
So I can see that but then what
got me as it moved from a a

579
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:54,500
Salvation comes to a person
based on a relationship between

580
00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:56,600
you and deity.
In this case Christ, right?

581
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,500
Where you would be, like I
accept him as my savior.

582
00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:02,100
I'm going to throw all, you
know, I'm going to rely on his

583
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:08,200
Moment and it became more of
this quasi spiritual istic.

584
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,200
Bat pardon, the expression
bastardization between

585
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,300
organized, religion and a
communist effort because there

586
00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:19,300
is this idea of we can't be
saved, unless were all saved.

587
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:25,500
And in order to get there, we
have to do certain things within

588
00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:29,300
the churches, almost like what
you'd see on a national

589
00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:32,000
communistic front.
It was really spooky when I

590
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,800
started putting those pieces
together.

591
00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:40,900
So, Today we we don't see as
much as you said in the LDS

592
00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:44,100
church, which I am so glad for,
do you think that, that's maybe

593
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:49,000
an outgrowth of I was sitting
here thinking about it one.

594
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:54,700
Is that I can't think of another
religion that claims the

595
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,000
founding documents of the United
States, things, like the

596
00:35:59,008 --> 00:36:03,300
Declaration, the Constitution,
the Bill of Rights, Were

597
00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:08,300
divinely inspired.
I mean darn near scripture and

598
00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:12,000
then the other is that you had
the administration of Ezra Taft

599
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:17,200
Benson during the what was it?
Late 70s, early 80s.

600
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:23,100
I'm not mistaken as the I was
before my time as being a

601
00:36:23,107 --> 00:36:25,800
Mormon.
So I'm trying to up until the

602
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,600
early 90s early 90s, okay, thank
you.

603
00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:34,100
Do you think that's why the LDS
church has been able to escape

604
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:36,300
some of?
That was just kidding.

605
00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:39,300
That's left over.
Yes, I do and that there's a

606
00:36:39,300 --> 00:36:42,100
problem.
So so I wrote most of my book

607
00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:48,800
and 2009 through 2011 and then I
just couldn't finish it and then

608
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,300
I pulled it out the summer of 20
21.

609
00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:54,300
I was like it's now or never,
I've got to finish this book and

610
00:36:54,300 --> 00:36:57,800
then I caught there's the, you
know, the had to catch it up to

611
00:36:57,808 --> 00:37:00,400
modern day and boy.
Things have gotten way worse

612
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,000
with education.
Things have gotten way worse

613
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,200
with the churches and what we've
seen in more recent years, as

614
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,500
we've seen, because because to
the time that I had written the

615
00:37:09,500 --> 00:37:14,500
book by 2011, I thought it's
just half of the Americas

616
00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:17,600
churches that are infiltrated
with Communism, where we're at.

617
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:22,100
Now the Evangelical churches
have been hardcore infiltrated

618
00:37:22,700 --> 00:37:26,600
at this point from the top.
The people the adherents are

619
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,100
like, what is going on here?
No, but that On the top there

620
00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:34,100
have been infiltrated and we see
signs of infiltration of well,

621
00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:36,000
because I'm, which it woke ism
is Neo.

622
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:41,900
Marxism in the LDS at BYU.
There's professors at BYU that

623
00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:44,700
teach, you know, the gender
fluidity.

624
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,100
And that they teach against the
binary genders, which that is

625
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,300
gender Theory, which is part of
woke, Neo Marxism with the whole

626
00:37:53,300 --> 00:37:56,200
point to destroy the binary
genders because the binary

627
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,800
genders are supposedly, a relic
of Oppression.

628
00:38:01,100 --> 00:38:05,500
But anyway, so we do see
infiltration now and is that

629
00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:07,400
from the top or is that from
whatever I do?

630
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:12,300
I probably maybe not the top but
it is spreading like a virus

631
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:15,700
throughout Society.
It's and it's within there is

632
00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:18,800
some evidence that some leaders
have kind of tiptoed into that

633
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:23,200
direction and people really need
to understand what that is, you

634
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,900
know, and that's a whole other
can of worms, you know, the

635
00:38:26,900 --> 00:38:30,700
gender Theory, the queer theory
of Prism and then the whole gay

636
00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:33,000
agenda.
And then, yes, we get to be

637
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,600
loving and respectful of all
people.

638
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,000
And how do we, how do we
balance?

639
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,000
All of that.
But once you understand that,

640
00:38:40,100 --> 00:38:44,100
the agenda is a Marxist agenda
to tear down the family to tear

641
00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:50,000
down the binary genders, and to
create as much chaos as possible

642
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,000
in society.
Then you can and you can see how

643
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,800
that agenda operates, and we
probably have time to go into

644
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,200
all of that, but there's A lot
of information out there, I do

645
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:06,300
go into it in my book as well,
but we have to separate that

646
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:11,900
agenda from the people who are
gay or are whatever and have

647
00:39:11,900 --> 00:39:14,200
love and respect.
There's a seat at the table and

648
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,900
Society for everyone.
Whether you're gay or straight,

649
00:39:16,900 --> 00:39:20,200
whether you're whatever you are,
everybody gets to participate in

650
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,400
our society and everyone is
worthy of respect, but we don't

651
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:29,300
need to let our are worried of
being seen as judgmental.

652
00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:32,600
Keep us from speaking out
against pornography, in school

653
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,900
libraries, which is rampant
through Utah.

654
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,900
Let me just tell you, one quick
story.

655
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,900
I was talking with one of my
closest friends, I live in

656
00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:43,400
Huracan, Huracan down in
Washington.

657
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,500
County is one of the most
conservative towns.

658
00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:47,200
It's very highly conservative
town.

659
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,200
It's a hotbed, I would say it's
a hotbed of conservatism.

660
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,900
Here, we have one high school.
One of my good friend, her

661
00:39:53,900 --> 00:39:57,600
daughter is a senior there her.
She said her Water performed at

662
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,000
her at hurricanes highs talent
show a couple weeks ago.

663
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,500
And right before she went on, I
guess she was singing.

664
00:40:04,300 --> 00:40:07,900
A kid came on stage and came out
of the closet and ended in a

665
00:40:07,908 --> 00:40:11,700
drag show and in the whole
school was on their feet roaring

666
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:17,100
with clapping and cheering.
And, you know, I don't want any

667
00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:22,600
gay child to be oppressed or,
you know, Anyone to make fun of

668
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:28,000
them but to cheer on a drag show
that's going a bit far at a drag

669
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,300
show to public school.
I think we've gone will bit too

670
00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:33,900
far there and this isn't a
hotbed of conservatism that

671
00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:38,400
that's what the kids are doing.
So hmm.

672
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:43,800
It's and I'm like you, right?
I don't want anybody to have to

673
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,100
live in the shadows.
I think I pointed that out

674
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:47,800
before.
That's that's a recipe for

675
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:53,100
disaster at the same time.
I feel like I feel like those

676
00:40:53,100 --> 00:40:56,200
matters need to be reserved for
home, right?

677
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:01,500
So we're going at least an adult
setting, not not not a school

678
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:04,700
talent show, right?
And that's and that's where I

679
00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:10,400
have major concerns.
My other concern is, is that It

680
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,700
appears to me and in this, this
I'll probably get a strike on

681
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:19,000
YouTube for this and that's okay
too, but it appears to me like a

682
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,800
lot of this seems to be the in
Vogue thing now, right?

683
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:28,600
Where where kids are saying that
they're trans or whatever.

684
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:32,900
Yeah, but they're lauded, right?
And when you start talking about

685
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,900
victimization seems to be the
new Social Capital upon which

686
00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:41,000
our society is operating.
The, the best thing you can do

687
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:45,000
for your own social standing at
that point, is to become a

688
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,600
member of the oppressed class,
right?

689
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,500
And then we hearken back to
March and we start talking about

690
00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:55,300
opposition versus versus, you
know, the Bourgeois, see who has

691
00:41:55,300 --> 00:41:58,800
it, you know, has the power that
sort of thing and it just

692
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:03,700
foments more and more conflict
which is exactly what Marxism

693
00:42:03,700 --> 00:42:05,300
aims for.
Yeah.

694
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,500
Yeah.
This gender Theory and queer

695
00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:11,500
Theory where there Clearing our
children with the social and

696
00:42:11,500 --> 00:42:15,000
emotional learning, and they can
do it in any number of ways.

697
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,800
They can teach at.
There's, I am a firm believer in

698
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,100
that.
There's a lot of evidence for

699
00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:22,800
this that there are operatives
in schools.

700
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,300
And honestly, Utah has been a
prime target for this because in

701
00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:29,700
Utah.
Yes, we, we traditionally are

702
00:42:29,700 --> 00:42:34,700
very conservative state, but
we're also very trusting and

703
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:37,400
trusting, and respectful of
authority.

704
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,300
And so I, there's a A lot of
evidence.

705
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,300
I'm not the only one saying this
that Utah has been a special

706
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,800
little guinea pig to see how far
they can push it.

707
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:52,500
In fact, a friend of mine says
that the the wife of our

708
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,700
governor Cox had in an email had
said that her goal was to push

709
00:42:56,700 --> 00:42:59,900
the Utah as far as close to
California with his education as

710
00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:04,100
possible as much get away with
and Utah but any case what

711
00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:08,200
they're doing is the kids.
So you know there's the critical

712
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,500
race Theory.
Are the effects to Marxism is

713
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:14,800
all about oppressor versus a
pressed the oppressed class with

714
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,300
critical race theory is people
of color, the oppressor class is

715
00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:22,000
not just white people, not just
white supremacist, but

716
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,500
whiteness, whatever.
Rightness is anything can be

717
00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:28,400
made to be a relic of whiteness
including a constitution.

718
00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:32,000
And so the kids then, you know,
they do these like different

719
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,800
exercises, these different
privilege exercises and the kids

720
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,100
with more privileged that are
Christian white heterosexual.

721
00:43:39,100 --> 00:43:42,100
Actual they're made to feel
guilty and then the way that

722
00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:45,900
they can atone for their sins of
privilege is to either become

723
00:43:45,900 --> 00:43:51,700
part of the oppressed class or
become an ally, but it's even

724
00:43:51,700 --> 00:43:53,600
better to become part of the
oppressed class.

725
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,100
And if you can pick from, like
six different genders, and

726
00:43:56,100 --> 00:44:00,600
sexualities was in one of my
best friend's has seven kids and

727
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,700
her family.
She and her husband got divorced

728
00:44:03,700 --> 00:44:05,800
a couple of years ago and
there's a bit of upheaval for

729
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,600
her kids and now she has two of
her.

730
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,100
Kids are somewhere on the queer
Spectrum.

731
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,700
And that's not how they were
raised.

732
00:44:13,700 --> 00:44:16,000
And honestly, I doubt that
that's organic.

733
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,000
I really think that that is
James, Lindsay is a great

734
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,200
anti-communist for people to
research and he calls that the

735
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,200
SEL social emotional learning
training.

736
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,000
That's especially hardcore for
high school and middle

737
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,100
schoolers.
He calls it.

738
00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:33,300
Cult grooming in the classroom
and the religion of choice is

739
00:44:33,300 --> 00:44:36,700
then woke, Neo, Marxism.
Well I and I think you hit on

740
00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:42,200
another thing I think I do think
that the Marxist learned and I

741
00:44:42,207 --> 00:44:48,000
think they learned that mankind,
naturally, seeks out religion.

742
00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:52,500
Yes, whether whether we want to
admit it or not mankind,

743
00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:56,100
naturally seeks out a religious
structure always has always

744
00:44:56,100 --> 00:45:00,600
will.
And so, I think the Marxist got

745
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:07,100
smart in the sense of.
Okay, we need to Try to feed the

746
00:45:07,700 --> 00:45:11,000
souls of these people.
Something that resembles that

747
00:45:11,300 --> 00:45:15,200
because if you look at what's
going on now and you described

748
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,600
it perfectly, my daughter who
came home from from college, one

749
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:23,900
semester had the book White
fragility by that she was forced

750
00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:26,700
to read.
And I remember I was like, yes,

751
00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:28,500
I was like, give me that book,
right?

752
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:32,900
And so I started looking at it
and and I was like, you've got

753
00:45:32,900 --> 00:45:36,100
to be kidding me because what it
described and And you waited out

754
00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:39,800
here really well, Julie is, it's
almost a repentance process,

755
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:44,700
right where you recognize, if
you're a white heterosexual

756
00:45:44,700 --> 00:45:48,800
individual, that is your sin,
right?

757
00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:52,400
And even though you may not be
able to quote overcome your sin

758
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,300
in this instant, you should
still go through these

759
00:45:55,300 --> 00:45:59,000
repentance steps process where
you ask for forgiveness and and

760
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,100
then maybe if you're lucky you
can then find yourself in one of

761
00:46:03,100 --> 00:46:06,200
those oppressor classes.
So this is He much or religion.

762
00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:10,200
It's not a, it's not a religion.
We would recognize per se

763
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:15,800
because the savior in this
aspect seems to be Society / the

764
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:21,600
state.
And so, as you can gain social

765
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,200
Credit in that way, it feeds
into this whole religion,

766
00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:31,100
religious feel to this thing.
Yeah, most definitely and I I

767
00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:34,400
have some friends like, one of
my best friend's works with an

768
00:46:34,408 --> 00:46:37,800
organization in Salt Lake that
serves the homeless and she

769
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,200
finds herself around a lot of
like woke people and social

770
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,800
justice people.
And so she's confused and like

771
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,500
telling her look, here's how you
can tell whether you're doing

772
00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:50,300
service to humanity, or you've
gone when the woke direction.

773
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,700
Are you trying to tear some,
some aspect of society down or

774
00:46:53,700 --> 00:46:56,400
you just trying to help people.
If you're just trying to help

775
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,100
people, she's going in helping
homeless people is she trying to

776
00:47:00,100 --> 00:47:03,200
like destroy part of society?
No, she's not.

777
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,800
She's not gone too far, but what
they Take this good impulse that

778
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,600
so many of us have to help other
people and want to help

779
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:14,500
underprivileged if then we then
take that to hurl bricks at the

780
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:20,000
courthouse and you know, take a
bike lock to someone's head or

781
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:25,300
want to destroy, you know,
different aspects of society in

782
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:29,200
a very violent way than you
might be going in the direction

783
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,400
of woke Marxism, right?
Right.

784
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:38,500
Is, as I've watched this all
unfold, and I've watched how its

785
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,700
Institute, excuse me, how it's
infiltrated public education.

786
00:47:42,700 --> 00:47:47,400
It's absolutely frightening.
So I've said this before on the

787
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:53,100
podcast, I'm a huge fan of the
founders of the country.

788
00:47:53,100 --> 00:47:56,200
The founding fathers.
I moved back to Maryland for

789
00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:04,300
five years just so I could be
closer to the history and What

790
00:48:04,700 --> 00:48:09,400
scared what scared me the most
is when I had my sophomore, my

791
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,400
oldest son was a sophomore.
He came home and I remember, we

792
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:18,200
were just sitting around the
table eating dinner and He

793
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,300
looked at my picture of
Washington praying at Valley

794
00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:25,100
Forge and he's like, did you
know he was a right?

795
00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:29,300
Oh, a white rich slave owner and
I just kind of dropped my Fork.

796
00:48:29,300 --> 00:48:31,900
I'm like where the hell did you
hear that?

797
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:34,200
And why in my house?
Are you saying that?

798
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:39,500
And I mean we had long
conversations just had to try to

799
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:45,200
get that removed because they
did they absolutely did.

800
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:49,000
And when I see how well they've
done it.

801
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:54,900
My fear is that what they did to
the founders in education,

802
00:48:54,900 --> 00:49:01,500
they're now doing to Mormonism.
In particular now, right?

803
00:49:01,500 --> 00:49:04,500
Because there's this new
movement within Mormonism where

804
00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:07,900
it's like, well, we, you know
that there are certain parts of

805
00:49:07,900 --> 00:49:10,100
Mormonism.
That's redefining who Joseph

806
00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:13,100
Smith was, and then out and
outright calling, Brigham Young

807
00:49:13,300 --> 00:49:15,300
& Asser / and those sorts of
things.

808
00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:18,400
And its really the same tactic
that they used with the

809
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,300
founders.
Right of the country is, if you

810
00:49:21,300 --> 00:49:24,800
can discredit the founder or the
early.

811
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:30,400
Progenitor, I guess of that
idea, you can just discredit the

812
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,600
idea.
And so what they did with the

813
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:37,200
founders, I think is now
underway across Mormonism

814
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,900
Spectrum.
Right mainstream LDS and

815
00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:43,500
fundamentalist alike and I've
said for a while, all our kids

816
00:49:43,500 --> 00:49:47,300
are on the on the chopping
block, this point you're doing

817
00:49:47,300 --> 00:49:49,800
the same thing.
I also agree with you that

818
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,400
Utah's a special case for I
think Utah and Texas.

819
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,900
I feel like I think there's this
feeling of, if we can get it

820
00:49:56,900 --> 00:49:59,400
done in those two states, we can
get it done anywhere.

821
00:49:59,900 --> 00:50:03,400
Yeah, yeah.
And back to what you said about

822
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,100
attacks against the LDS church,
I'm not currently active in the

823
00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:11,200
LDS church, but I'm very LDS
friendly and I've still share

824
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,800
the foundational truths, so I
feel very close to the LDS

825
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:21,100
church still.
But what I believe, just from my

826
00:50:21,100 --> 00:50:24,200
research and just from this
whole pattern of everything, I

827
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,000
think they hold the church's
hostage, I'll just say in

828
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,300
general, the churches are held
hostage And churches that go,

829
00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:36,200
that will defy the government,
you know, they'll cut off a

830
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,900
finger, they'll whatever.
And I see these things more and

831
00:50:38,900 --> 00:50:40,900
more in the news against the LDS
church.

832
00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:43,700
What we need to do is we need to
get the word out to all.

833
00:50:43,700 --> 00:50:47,700
You know, like you said, the
only LDS Spectrum, we should

834
00:50:47,700 --> 00:50:53,000
expect Mass disclosure of ill,
Deeds from leaders, whether

835
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,300
they're real or not, I don't
know.

836
00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:57,000
But we should expect that and
that's a good sign.

837
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,100
That means that the leaders of
the church are actually Standing

838
00:51:00,100 --> 00:51:03,300
up to the government.
If we don't see that, that's

839
00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:08,100
when you have to worry, because
that means that the LDS church

840
00:51:08,100 --> 00:51:09,700
will just go.
The LDS Church of this moment is

841
00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:13,400
capitulating to the government.
I believe that any church in the

842
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,500
next coming years that doesn't
capitulate and Go full woke, or

843
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:21,500
fully allow or much more than
currently allow the infiltration

844
00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:25,300
of these Marxist ideologies to
proliferate through their

845
00:51:25,300 --> 00:51:27,100
churches.
Any church, that doesn't do

846
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:30,600
that, especially a major church
is going to be Massively

847
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,500
lambasted and they will mostly
do it through propaganda.

848
00:51:34,700 --> 00:51:39,000
If there's a small church that
is a special threat for whatever

849
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,100
reason, then they could get the,
you know, the Branch Davidian.

850
00:51:42,100 --> 00:51:46,200
Flds treatment LDS church is so
large, they probably wouldn't be

851
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,100
able to get away with that.
This is one little thing.

852
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,300
Thus, in the Soviet Union, they
focused their heavy hand on the

853
00:51:52,300 --> 00:51:56,500
churches that no one liked.
No one likes the Baptist's or

854
00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:58,700
the Pentecostals are the
Seventh-day Adventist or

855
00:51:58,700 --> 00:52:00,900
Jehovah's Witnesses.
They were all considered Cults

856
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,700
in Russia because they were not
Orthodox, so it would they were

857
00:52:04,700 --> 00:52:06,900
very easy Targets.
In America.

858
00:52:07,100 --> 00:52:10,300
Branch Davidians were made to be
easy targets, a lot of what was

859
00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:12,500
said about them was not true,
some of it was true.

860
00:52:12,700 --> 00:52:15,600
Same thing with flds easy
targets, some of what was

861
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:21,200
they've been accused of is true,
some of it not But with the LDS

862
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,300
church, they will, with they'll
put out more and more dirt on

863
00:52:24,300 --> 00:52:26,800
different leaders present past
whatever.

864
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,200
And again, whether it's true or
not, I don't know.

865
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,300
But we should expect that and we
should actually tell we need to

866
00:52:32,300 --> 00:52:36,000
like tell the church.
Hey we would rather that they

867
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,800
come out with smear campaigns
every single day and you stand

868
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,400
up to them, then to capitulate
and not have those smear

869
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,700
campaigns.
You're just Sorry, go ahead.

870
00:52:47,100 --> 00:52:52,000
We just need to become immune to
the smear campaign to maybe and

871
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,300
maybe some of them will be true
and we can research that for

872
00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:57,300
ourselves but it's going to meet
we're going to need to be able

873
00:52:57,300 --> 00:53:02,200
to have our heads on straight
and be able to also Realize that

874
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,200
Jesus himself said there would
be wolves in sheep's clothing.

875
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,600
Every church, every church is
going to have some really bad

876
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:12,500
apples in high positions at
different times, the Catholic

877
00:53:12,500 --> 00:53:13,900
Church.
Hello there have been some bad

878
00:53:13,900 --> 00:53:16,600
eye, you can see some bad apples
going on there throughout

879
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,300
history.
So an LDS church is not going to

880
00:53:19,300 --> 00:53:22,400
be immune in any church.
Any major Church, 100% promise

881
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:23,700
you.
This is one of the main things.

882
00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:26,300
I came away with for my thesis
and my book.

883
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:31,400
Any major Church of influence is
a major Target for Raishin

884
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:35,500
whether it How Deeply it's
infiltrated, that's a question

885
00:53:35,500 --> 00:53:38,400
but it will be a made any major
church.

886
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:43,200
That is a big influence for good
is going to be a major Target

887
00:53:43,500 --> 00:53:46,200
and they've been in this game
for over 100 years working to

888
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,400
infiltrate.
There's there's no way that

889
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,200
there haven't been some
operatives placed within the LDS

890
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,000
church that we got.
That would be impossible.

891
00:53:53,300 --> 00:53:57,100
And I will say one, other thing
that I that I discovered an

892
00:53:57,107 --> 00:54:00,400
article showing that the
Communist Party USA.

893
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,700
This was In the 30s, I believe
the 1930s, they actually sent

894
00:54:04,900 --> 00:54:07,200
they actually recruited their
members.

895
00:54:07,300 --> 00:54:09,800
These were people who had were
no longer Christian, they were

896
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,500
Communist party members.
They asked them to go back into

897
00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:15,800
their church because of origin
and pose as.

898
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,100
Oh, I'm back.
But then behind the scenes, try

899
00:54:19,100 --> 00:54:22,000
to, you know, do some funny
business and there was one of

900
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,400
the people that that was
showcased in the article was

901
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,900
Mormon and I just don't know
what he was able to accomplish.

902
00:54:28,900 --> 00:54:32,300
I don't have that information.
I don't know if anyone But we

903
00:54:32,300 --> 00:54:34,700
have to assume every Jesus said,
there's the wheat.

904
00:54:34,700 --> 00:54:36,900
And the tares, there's the
wolves in sheep's clothing.

905
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,900
Every church is going to be
infiltrated, and we just have to

906
00:54:40,900 --> 00:54:43,800
look for the signs of that.
And just keep our heads on

907
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,100
straight and we need to have our
focus, our relationship with God

908
00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:52,400
first and foremost, and not in
any one person or body of people

909
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,300
that we call leaders.
Sure.

910
00:54:54,700 --> 00:54:58,500
Sure, great stuff.
Okay, I know we said we had to

911
00:54:58,500 --> 00:55:01,200
keep this to an hour today.
So, real Real quick.

912
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,600
Let's plug the book again, and
tell people where they can find

913
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,800
it.
Sure, you can grab my book

914
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,600
beneath sheep's clothing again,
the Communist takeover of

915
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,700
culture, and the USSR and
parallels.

916
00:55:10,700 --> 00:55:12,900
In today's America, it's on
Amazon.

917
00:55:13,500 --> 00:55:15,600
You can also go to my website,
beneath sheep's.

918
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,600
Clothing.com, I do have where
you can get the first couple

919
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:24,900
chapters of the book for free.
I also am in the in the end

920
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:28,000
stages of putting together,
three home, school lessons for

921
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,800
parents.
Whether you home school or not,

922
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,700
their fees are for There's and
from it's all the information

923
00:55:33,700 --> 00:55:36,100
that is crucial that I believe
is crucial pertains to

924
00:55:36,100 --> 00:55:37,800
understand about freedom and
tyranny.

925
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,900
The first lesson is available
for free on my website right now

926
00:55:40,900 --> 00:55:42,500
it's called widest Freedom
matter.

927
00:55:43,300 --> 00:55:47,000
The second one is the anatomy of
tyranny and it goes through in

928
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,600
all the some of the main ways
that you can tell that there's a

929
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,600
tyranny censorship, different
things like that.

930
00:55:53,700 --> 00:55:57,000
The third one is the ideology of
localism, it's a two-part

931
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,700
lesson.
I'm still hammering out a few

932
00:55:58,700 --> 00:56:02,000
little details on that.
And then the last thing I'm

933
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,200
actually working with a
documentary filmmaker and we're

934
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:09,000
making a documentary with this
content on my book, if that's

935
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,100
awesome.
Yeah, the trailer the

936
00:56:11,100 --> 00:56:13,600
documentary, he's working on it
and they will be doing

937
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,500
fundraising if there's anyone
who wants to contribute or know,

938
00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:20,100
someone who might want to help
fund a work like this, the

939
00:56:20,100 --> 00:56:23,700
really a wake-up call to America
as Christians, America's parents

940
00:56:23,700 --> 00:56:26,700
with kids in school and just
Patriots in general, you can

941
00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:30,400
shoot me an email at beneath
sheep's clothing at gmail.com

942
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,700
and And we're going to be
hopefully getting this

943
00:56:33,700 --> 00:56:36,800
documentary completed this year.
That's awesome.

944
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,400
I will, I'll put that
information in the episode page

945
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,000
note.
And people can can go there and

946
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,600
and definitely donate to a cause
I feel like it's worth it.

947
00:56:47,300 --> 00:56:49,300
All right, Julie.
Anything else.

948
00:56:49,300 --> 00:56:53,100
He wants a inclusion.
Yeah, I do.

949
00:56:53,100 --> 00:56:55,700
I want to say one more thing.
When I wrote my Master's thesis

950
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,700
the biggest takeaway.
I had I looked at the different

951
00:56:58,700 --> 00:57:02,500
tactics of the different,
Christians, and different

952
00:57:02,500 --> 00:57:05,200
religious organizations, and how
their survival tactics, and

953
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,800
which ones were most associated
with success and failure of

954
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,900
those groups.
And what I discover the, the

955
00:57:11,900 --> 00:57:15,000
underground Pentecostals were
the most successful and they

956
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,800
were also the most
decentralized.

957
00:57:17,700 --> 00:57:20,300
The ones the churches that had
more highly centralized

958
00:57:20,300 --> 00:57:22,700
leadership.
Once those leadership was

959
00:57:22,700 --> 00:57:26,000
infiltrated like The Seventh-Day
Adventist that I studied, they

960
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,600
were very highly centralized and
they were once they were once.

961
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,200
The top leadership was breached,
it was game over for them.

962
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,800
But with the Pentecostals their
philosophy was what they called.

963
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,600
The priesthood of the believer
that individuals could connect

964
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,800
with God, to know, what they're
calling was their function

965
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,800
within the church, and just in
society and they encourage

966
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,300
people to do.
You feel called to go.

967
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,800
Preach in this city, go for it.
You feel called to do this great

968
00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:53,700
so they can and the
decentralized leaders were much

969
00:57:53,700 --> 00:57:56,400
less prominent.
The people were more empowered

970
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,000
to have that connection with God
and therefore they when they

971
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,200
would have, you know, different
leaders of the church will be

972
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,200
arrested the church would
function just as normal, it

973
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,000
didn't impact things, all that
much.

974
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,600
So I would really, it's, I
really feel that's an important

975
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,500
message for Christians in
America today.

976
00:58:12,500 --> 00:58:15,600
And the world over is that it's
our connection with God and

977
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,300
knowing our own function.
What is it?

978
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:21,600
We're here to do that is first
and foremost and we don't need

979
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,900
to sit around and wait for any
leader of any church.

980
00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:26,300
You know, to tell us everything
to do.

981
00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:28,900
That's perfect.
That's awesome.

982
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:34,400
Julie, let's do this again.
Okay, sure, no, I really liked

983
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,300
it.
All right, everybody will talk

984
00:58:36,300 --> 00:58:38,400
to you next time.
Hang out for just a few minutes

985
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:39,100
to here.
Julie.

986
00:58:39,500 --> 00:59:03,300
Okay.
You're listening to the Mormon

987
00:59:03,300 --> 00:59:03,300
Renegade podcast.
You're listening to the Mormon

988
00:59:03,300 --> 00:59:04,700
Renegade podcast.