Episode #65: How Close Are We To The Saviors' Return W/Ken Peterson

0:05 Well, here we are. The economy is shaky. We are in at least a proxy war with Russia. China is rattling at Sabre. Threatening to invade Taiwan Canada has begun euthanasia for depressed, teens, here at home. There's a large portion of the society that thinks gender mutilation of our children's, a good idea. Oh, and that's on top of abortion, still happening. It feels like the whole world is in commotion and descending into dark chaos. Now, it is true that we don't know the day or the hour, the save Fear will make his return, but he did give us some signs to keep a look out for on this episode. I have Ken Peterson back on the podcast and our conversation. We go over a list of signs that have been given to watch out for to get an idea of just how close we might be to the savior's return.

0:50 Now, I'm not a fan of playing the game pin, the tail on the apocalypse, but as we go through this list, I think you'll see we're quite far down that road. Stick around as we examine last days, events on this episode of the Mormon Renegade podcast. Because of your generosity last year, I was able to buy better audio equipment and software. I can't tell you how much it meant to me. That not only did you spend your time here with me on the podcast but also that you found enough value. In what I'm doing that you donated the podcast upgraded this year, I want to continue to grow. Now I want to add video to the podcast continue to help you my guess a myself connect better through the show. The other feature I'm working on for this podcast is Something I have to remain vague about for now. But what I can say is that it's something that will help us better connect as fundamentalist and traditional LDS. Folks, now to get that equipment for the video content, I want to do and to build the infrastructure for the other project with this podcast donations would certainly be welcome or you can go to Mormon Renegade.com. Click that supply store button and get some new swag. New stuff will be out soon as well. Now if you can't afford to you either of those two things, Things.

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2:48 Can my man, welcome back, dude. Thanks for coming back on. Yes, but looking forward to it. So when we got done with our last conversation, we were talking just about like an X kind of stuff. And, and a couple days later you'd message me and said, you know what, I actually have a checklist and my eyes lit up man. The car with my wife and I was I actually I actually you know, just kind of leaned back in the chair because she was driving And I was like oh yeah I know exactly where we're going next. No I just find it super fascinating and for a guy who studied as much as you and has put so much effort into your gospel studies. I'm really looking forward to this. Well, there is nothing more appropriate for us to discuss I think.

3:41 Yeah, in today's world which seems to feel less and less and less stable with each passing day, but I was listening to one of your podcast was no the gas and you said the word checklist and I thought, oh my gosh, I just put together one of those from our gospel Doctrine class. That's awesome. So that's been well, we were in Isaiah in the Old Testament, you know, last year. Speaking of the end times and and I kind of had a mental checklist but then I thought kid for your class funny just put it all down and then go through the list and check off the things that have happened.

4:23 Things that will happen at the second coming and the things that haven't happened yet and that will give us a snapshot of where we are, and that's what I did. Of course, is called LDS last days mom has the most complete listing I could find and that's where I do this list from and I have links to each of those Until I print it out, did my key to the checks, the red check for things that have happened. Already the blue checks, the won't happen till Christ comes and then the put a plus Mark by those things that are left and we're going to look at that together at the end here. And then you and I are gonna have to place bets on when we think it's going to happen. Do I like it will get a pool going. Well, just get a pool going, will involve the listeners. I don't, I'm not sure what we're actually going to put in that pool because I mean, money won't Be worth anything here, right? It's just bragging rights alone.

5:16 But so two quick questions for you. One is, would you mind sharing that list? Is that something I can post in the show? No, please do. Please do. Okay, perfect. And then my next question is you get the same kind of feelings? Like, I do more and more frequently, like you're almost waiting for another shoe to drop. Every day. Yeah, everything. In fact, in my mind I call it reading the tea leaves, or trying to predict how the dominoes are going to fall. Because we're aware of political situations, conflicts that are going on in the world and economic things. You've talked about on your podcast and I am constantly trying to work out how any combination of any of those things could cause The trauma of the tribulation that has been prophesied to come.

6:06 How I am not a fatalist. I'm not a doomsday or but I am a Latter-Day Saint. I do believe and and I don't relish terrible things happening. I was in a depression when Russia invaded Ukraine. I just I was in a depression for at least two days. Why are they, why are they so stupid? What could they possibly hope to accomplish in the law? Ang renewal that kind of stuff bothers me, but My heart says if Christ is going to come, bring it on. Let's get it over with. Let's do this, right? You and your kind of like I am, right? Well, and what part of it is just laziness.

6:49 I'm not going to lie about that, right? Like when the end times come, it seems like a lot of work, right? Ken. But yeah, I mean when, when those end times come, I've often thought You know, I'm going to be down in the basement tearing into my year supply of Doritos, right? That's going to be my go Q Supply. Right? What is it with you and Doritos? And I don't know, man. It's just good stuff, right? I don't know. It's, it really is manna from heaven. I'm waiting for Revelation on that further, but it should be, but anyway. Yeah, no. I, yeah, my kids will be like, where's Dad? Well, I think he's licking the Dorito dust off of his fingers down in the basement. He's trying to cope, right?

7:32 So but Yeah, no. It's it is it's a weird time and and I don't remember time quite like this right where there's sometimes I look and I think we're a hair's breadth away. It could really only take one event to cause all of that tribulation. We've read about. I don't think I can remember a time where it. Everything felt just tenuous. Yes. Like, I could wait a minute, it's hearts are failing. And you see that? Yep, I could wake up tomorrow and if the economy had plunged down 5,000 points, it wouldn't surprise me, right? I'd be like, that's about right, we're about there. And there are they surprised that we're still thriving as well as we are.

8:16 I know, obviously, I know, I thought the punishment this economy's taken I know, and I keep. So, I keep waiting for that. And then you got all the war, you know, the wars going on there and Ukraine and Russia and China's rattling. Its Sabers I just read today that we're sending some strategic missiles over to Taiwan then and it's just all kind of lining up right? And and I look at that and I'm like okay times getting short you know let's let's strap in and let's buckle up and let's get ready for whatever is whatever is going to happen. So I feel like this checklist idea is great because I don't think God deals with time the same way we write.

9:02 I think, right? I think, when you're talking about last day's events, I think the key word there is events, right? When you pass this mile marker on the highway to Armageddon, so to speak. Yeah, point it's going to be and that's why it's the checklist girl. Yeah, I don't think anybody's ever been successful with pin the tail on the apocalypse, right? Yeah, it is a loser's game. You know, there are a number of those circulating on YouTube, some really good ones. Don't need any my favorite who would really worked out the time in the signs, and he wasn't claiming that his was the answer, but it was pretty compelling. So I kept that with me and was sitting back my charity popcorn thinking 2021 was going to be the Midway Point, never happened.

9:44 Yep. Sounds like, oh, shoot, you know, here we go. But and that was before my checklist. Okay. So, I know a little better now. And I don't want to give it away yet, but there is one sign that is the alarm Bell. That has a very specific amount of time. It's a very obvious sign and a very specific amount of time left associated with it. That's, that's the one I'm waiting for. We'll talk to them. Thank you before we go there with the what and the win, I think it's important. We talk about the why? Because I have many people in my circle of friends and neighbors who are not necessarily Really comfortable talking about all of this. They say they believe it's pointless. You know.

10:30 No man knoweth the day or the hour. Why worry about it? Well I want to tell you tell you why worry about it. Can you enable the screen sharing? Absolutely give me just one second here to bring this bad boy up and all participants. And you should be ready to rock my men. Thank you. So, I love what the hell. The doctrine covenants talks about what we're talking about? It's called a great and Dreadful day of the Lord, which is critical. Jesus Christ, gave us the, why learn the parable of the fig tree with branches tender and putteth forth leaves, you know that summer is nigh.

11:21 So likewise ye when ye shall see. All these things know that it is near. Even at the doors verily, I say unto you this generation, which has been misinterpreted. He's talking about the generation. He's talking about, right? Yes, we would say that generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled. But of that day and hour knoweth, no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my father only. But he says, we need to be aware of that. So we can at least recognize the season. It's happening. Now are turning Covenant 6011 unto. You, it shall be given to know the signs of the times and the signs of the coming of the son of man. Right, it's important, Joseph Smith, Matthew the old, I speak these things and he for the elects sake, and you also shall hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you be not troubled for all I have told you must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

12:16 One of the reasons we have, this signs is so that our hearts will not fail us. Anyway, going on first Nephi 2022, 17, wherefore, he will preserve the righteous by his power even if even, if it's will be the fullness of his Wrath. To come, which is what will happen. It is coming. It will meet reservists time times will be cut short, otherwise it would self-destruct and the righteous be preserved. Even at the destruction of their enemies. By fire, that will cleanse the Earth where for the righteous need, not fear for thus, saith the prophet, they shall be saved even if it's obvious by fire. So, the other reason the sides are given is the the righteous will not fear when these terrible things will inevitably occur. Mmm-hmm I love how the APD of Mormonism encapsulates. What we've been talking about?

13:05 A particular interest is the present dispensation of the fullness of times, our science pertaining, the second coming of Christ. The lord has revealed the signs of the time to guide the faithful in their preparation for the great and Dreadful day of the Lord that is for Christ's second coming here. Thus the faithful, the faithful watch for the signs, so that when the hour comes, it will be great. Not vengeful. To us. Yep and so when I have older children who are necessarily Believers and you like all of us, there's concern and Dread about what on Earth is happening in. This world, everything is upside down evil being called, good and good, being called evil and what I wish I could give them is the gift of Hope.

13:56 That the restored gospel in the signs of the times, give us the millennial era which to a non-believer is a fairy tale, right? That's the greatest of all fairy tales when you read about the pair to cycle state of the Earth. It will be beyond anything we can imagine. In that section, in my book that we talked about, you know, months ago. You read those descriptions of what it is to live in a terrestrial state. And I can't wait. I said part of the reason I wanted to happen sooner or still the my own kids won't have to go to the hill that that will precede. The second coming in any case?

14:40 That's where this is coming from Robert Miller, el dia scholar, wrote a very interesting and timely article back in 2014 about five myths, concerning the second coming, which I think have misled some people. He said there are certain misleading Concepts, unsupportable ideas, miss that persist among our members. Recently, I wrote a five myths about the Millennium, let me now suggests a mistake, your Notions have encountered about the second coming of Price, when I think it's when we go into these because they're very common, I think you'll recognize some of these myth. Number one. Every person on Earth will have heard the message of the restored gospel before the Lord returns in glory. You hear that a lot, right?

15:25 People use it as a cop out so they don't have to worry that he's coming. Yes, everyone will have the opportunity to hear it, but that opportunity will come during the Millennium. And if you hear other comments from General Authorities, that the gospel has been Reached in every nation even if not officially right. But he makes the point in addition, the work of gathering which is really missionary work, the process by which people are brought together to Christ. His gospel is doctor in his church and to the congregation's and faithful. It will go forward in the great Millennium. Every word and were already introduced to it. We wouldn't have that work to do so obviously we don't have to wait for that. That makes sense.

16:06 Absolutely, it doesn't. And it almost kind of makes sense, right. Because if we look at his first coming, especially in the Book of Mormon, There are still preaching of the Gospel going on, right? It's absolutely, you know, it all that the scriptures tell us if I'm not mistaken from The Book of Mormon is that the wicked were destroyed now. Can you be can you be a good person and not be a Mormon? There's an inner yeah. Right. So so this idea that that will be the only ones around in the Millennium. I think is Kind of a that's another myth, it's another myth, right? Because we know that one of the great works of the millennial era is missionary work.

16:51 Yep. Who are going to be preaching to ourselves and Brigham actually talks about when, when, when the Millennium happens and even Zion is that there will be people who who don't necessarily believe the same things we do. And we'll still have to continue with our missionary work, right? And so, yeah, the the idea that it's Only going to be Mormons that get through that period. I think is maybe a little bit of a misnomer. We may have a leg up, right? Because we kind of know what to expect, but that doesn't necessarily negate. The fact that we, you know, have some work to do. Here's the unfortunate truth right now as fundamentalists and traditional LDS folks, we can't expect to have accurate history told by others because true history and scholarship is problematic for certain people.

17:42 And organizations, we're going to have to do this work ourselves and to do that, we will have to support each other in this kind of work. Now, anybody who's anybody in fundamentalist, circles knows who drew Briny is, he is perhaps the most prolific author. Within Mormon fundamentalism. Drew's newest project is something. I think all Mormons can benefit from he is in the process of creating an annotated version of the Doctrine and Covenants. Once you have a copy of this, you'll be able to compare current sections with previous versions. And also what early LDS leaders had to say about that particular section as fundamentalists and traditional LDS. Folks, we are constantly trying to get back into the minds of the early Brethren this project, that drusen Aged in right now is going to be the ultimate tool to help us do that.

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19:12 All right, so this whole idea of us having to quote unquote. Walk back to Zion Jackson County Independence. Before Christ comes is attributable to a single Source. Joseph F Smith was a statement. He made way. Back in 1882. He was an apostle in 1877. I suppose I could read it when God leaves the people back to Jackson County, how will he do it? Let me picture to you how some of us may be gathered and led to Jackson County. I think I see two or three hundred thousand people wending their way across the Great Plain in during the nameless hardships of the journey herding and guarding their cattle by day. And by night, this is one way to look at it. It is certainly a practical View. Right?

20:04 So he's giving possibilities and clearly speaking extemporaneously, but, like I said his Mormons often do, they don't take a stand, isolated statement and turn it into a whole Doctrine from. It's just a couple of reasons why that cannot be a complete prophecy. First of all, the Book of Revelation gives us the dimensions of the city of Zion. This Revelation 21 16, the city lieth Foursquare. The length is as large as the breath, he measured the city, with the Reed, twelve thousand furlongs, the length, and the breadth, and the height are equal, so it's 12,000 furlongs square that is equal to 1000 380 miles. The city of Zion encompasses the whole of North America. So when we think, unless we're standing in Jackson County, we're not in PSI and we are misinformed. We're in Zion right now.

21:07 Hmm. The city of Zion encompasses the whole of North America, which makes more sense to me. Of course, zionists are the pure in heart, but in terms of the city itself, Which would make sense. Yeah. That when the saints moved to the Rocky Mountains, which was prophesied, that the mountain of the Lord's house, shall be established in the tops of the mountains, which Inuit language is Utah, right? Yeah. Which name is not assigned by the Saints. It was assigned by Congress that we're here already, we're where we need to be, you know, certainly there with the same as me. Yeah, go ahead and others like Congress. Help us out with our own prophecies.

21:48 I'm just Haha. Yeah the other issue this is in the book of ether. Highly authoritative. Hmm. I've never really heard anybody deal with this because the book of ether makes the sequence of events, crystal clear, and there shall be a new Heaven and a new Earth, and they shall be likened to the old. Save, the old have passed away and all things have become new and then cometh New Jerusalem. Mmm, so the New Jerusalem will not be re-established until after there's a new Heaven and a new Earth, meaning the Earth has been cleansed.

22:29 And that's how do you get around that? No, it wouldn't make sense to me. Anyway, the gonna build up this wonderful City in the center, State can Jackson County and build his magnificent Temple as described by Joseph Smith. Others only to have it burned, it is coming anyway, right? Yeah. So I'm not waiting for that to happen, first myth, number three, myth number three. That the faithful Saints will be spared The Trials. Come out calamities and changes that will come upon the world before the Savior comes. Yes, Be safety in Zion, but as Christ taught in the New Testament, the rain falls upon the wicked and the righteous, and it's not necessarily whether you live or die, it's whether you live or die in righteousness, if number for, you know, fruit for just a second, going back to that other one. I find it fascinating that that Mormons are so uniquely different than the rest of Christendom when it comes to our theology.

23:26 But for whatever reason, we decided we wanted to borrow So from the Rapture and I have never been able to figure that out, because because this idea that we're all spared you, I mean, the assertion that's made and I looked into it quite a bit, you know, in my religious Journey before I became a Mormon, when I say, okay, where do you get this? And they use that scripture out of the New Testament, you know, there were two in the field who were harvesting and then one was taken or whatever. I'm like, that's an awfully strong statement to make based on what seems to be a very subjective kind of scripture. And, but for some reason, we seem to want to have borrowed that, I don't know if they're kind of like me and they're like, huh, seems like a lot of work, I'm not sure I'm down for that.

24:14 Well, my friend, the Rapture is confirmed in the restored. Revelations, really forgot. The Rapture is discussed in the Doctrine and Covenants and in the book of Moses in some great detail. We will be caught up in the air to meet him when he comes, and there's a very specific reason for that. The Earth will be burned at his coming. You'll Testament says, the Earth will burn as an oven and all the all the wicked will be burned as stumble and okay, so let me let me preface, let me go back. So I don't think I made my point clear and that's on me.

24:55 A lot of Christianity will say, you'll be caught up before any of the tribulation. Oh yes, yes. I see what you're saying. Sorry, so I didn't make myself clear, no, I believe in this idea of being caught up. But yeah, of a Protestant Rapture where you're taken out of all of that before the tribulation starts. I feel having enough for ya. I find nothing in the scripture. That supports that idea. I agree with you, I agree with you. my favorite reference to being caught up in the book of Moses chapter 7, Starting at verse 61 the day, she'll come to the Earth, shall rest. We're talking about Millennium, but before that day, the heavens shall be darkened.

25:40 The veil of Darkness will cover the Earth. Darkness is wickedness and the heavens shall shake and also the Earth and great tribulations shall be among the children of men, but my people will, I preserve and righteousness. Will I send down out of heaven? Right. Mormon and Truth. Well, I sent forth out of the earth. I'm sorry. That was the angel in the tooth out of Justice Book of Mormon to Bear testimony of mine. Only begotten his resurrection from the dead, but also the resurrection of all men and righteousness. And truth will I cause to sweep the Earth as with a flood to gather out, mine elect from the four quarters of the earth Gathering of Israel, the weekend, the tears, the New Testament originally and Matthew says that they will gather the tears Joseph Smith changing around in a Joe Smith visited to gather the wheat into the barn, leaving the tears and then burn the tears.

26:36 Well, this is Sophia says exactly the same thing. Joseph Smith said to my book it was super exciting find out but Now here's the interesting part to me to gather mine gather are not. Mine elect from the four quarters of the earth unto a place, which I shall prepare. So the righteous will be caught up. But we're not just going to be floating around while all this is happening. We're going to be taken to a place. It says, which I shall prepare and holy city that my people make gird up. Their loins prepare and be looking forth for the time of my coming. For there shall be my Tabernacle and it should be called Zion a New Jerusalem and the Lord said unto Enoch, then this time when were caught up now, Enoch and I City will meet them there, right?

27:28 And we will receive them into our bosom. So, when their actions are cut up where they going to go, you're going to go to me Enoch and his City so which, which would, which would explain why did God go to all the trouble to to lift up an entire city, right? Because the end game that had to be someplace for the Rapture. And let's call them to hang out while the Earth is cleansed, right? Raishin for the restoration anyway. That's incredible to me that that is and Yeah, this idea and they shall see us. Go ahead. Oh, I was just finishing the scripture and we will receive them into our bosom, says unique, and his City and they shall see us, we will fall upon the next and they shall fall upon an X and we will kiss each other not in a weird way. Sure?

28:19 Right. And there shall be mine Abode and it shall be Zion and which shall come forth out of all the Creations that I've made for the space of a thousand years. The earth has but Can you imagine the celebration and the rejoicing of the people of the city of Munich and bid, people like me and you who are going to get caught up, right? I hope so. I never count my chickens before they hatch can write, write, write write. But yeah, I definitely hope to be in that. Cuz, and, and I thought about this, I think for for us, it'll be Be almost a homecoming, right? When when Zion below meet Zion above so to speak, right?

29:02 Design of type people And they meet. We're going to feel a certain Kindred. Did I think none of us have felt before, right? I don't know about you but and this isn't me, you know, saying I'm super righteous because I'm not, I have my faults but there are times where I actually feel kind of out of place in this world, right? Especially, yeah. Alright. Gosh. Yes. Where I look and again, I'm not saying I'm super righteous or any of those other things. I'm just saying that That there are times because of the things that I believe that I just look around the world and what's going on. And I'm like, I don't recognize this, I can't, I can't relate to this.

29:45 I can't I can't fathom this to and so this idea of of when Zion below meet Zion above, I think it's going to be kind of a homecoming, right? I think it's going to be one of those things where it's going to feel familiar in some way. Well, I think we have a taste of that line. Me. You and I have yet to meet in person and every time we visit life, the less that similar kinship. Yep. Because we value the same things. Yep. In any case? So Joseph Smith explained it is a false idea that the Saints will escape all the judgments while the wicked suffer. Yep, he cant get more authority to coerce hated from that. So of course, the Saints has a body will have to be preserved, carry on throughout the Millennium but that every single one of us will be preserved as not.

30:34 The the promise, myth number four, if we live the gospel and purify, Our Lives, we can hasten the Lord's coming and Usher in the Glorious millennium. The second the day of the second coming of the Lord lording in glory, is fixed and I'm quoting or to be Hinckley. I like a lot, I'm Bruce mcconkie. So, the day of this The Lord in glory is fixed. I noticed when Christ says the day nor the hour knoweth, no man on my Father, which is Evan, the date was already know. Of course, it is, God knows everything. Just as the day of his first coming was not an Isaiah or nephite admitted. I did not call upon the people to repent, so the Holy One visual content into mortality sooner.

31:18 The second coming may not be postponed by unbridled witness wickedness, nor hurried by consummate righteousness. The god of Heaven has ordained that day. The prophets of old. Dispensations have spoken of it. We know not when it will come but it's Dawning is certain Last two minutes, no one not even the most faithful Saints. A good. ODD will know the time of the savior's return. That's a myth. What? What is he saying? We're told in the Bible, is the Lord. Jesus Christ will come as a thief in the night. That is he will come suddenly unexpectedly when the generality of humankind is unprepared unready. Not watching this need not, however be the case with the Lord Saints. A master clarified and again verily I said either coming or draweth nigh and it overtake us the world as a thief in the night.

32:07 Therefore gird up your loins, which is a way of saying, prepare yourselves that you may be the children of light, that, that day. Shall not overtake you as a thief. We may not know the specific hour or the day with the Lord would come but we can know the season. Mmm, he goes on those who are wise and have received the truth. He's quoting Parable. The parable of the ten virgins and I'm taking the holy spirit for the guide and have not been deceived will sense, and recognize The Nearness of the Return of the King of kings and Lord of lords. The spiritually sensitive members of the Lord's Church Body of Christ will be in a Readiness to read the signs.

32:50 And thus, pre-prepared, even enthusiastic seems a little weird that day that has been. Bribed as both. Great and Dreadful. Yeah. Now let me pause for just a second, people like Boyd pack or who lived through the second world war. They thought that was the end of times, right? And who wouldn't can you imagine? I mean, when I, when I see documentaries at the Second World War, I it's mind-boggling to me. And that's why we had this checklist. What's different about now? Compared to then we will see here it is. Okay, I'm pretty sure you can't see all that, but let me and it's two pages.

33:31 Will go over both Pages at the key is at the very top. Yep. We I can see, we can see that. Yep, but I've checked in red, are things that have happened and this is just, this is subjective, and I don't speak authoritatively. This is just my opinion and the blue. Check marks are the things that will not happen, until he arrives. And then, the plus marks the things that are not done yet. Those are the things for which Which we are specifically waiting, okay? There's another thought I was going to say about all of this. It'll come to me. So as we go down the list and by the way, play I want to point out up here for those listening. The website with is a source for this list LDS last days. Dot-com.com, I searched around the internet, and this is where I found most of these signs on the second page. Those are taken from Mormon Doctrine. Mmm, that was McConkey, again, 144,000, high priest. That will happen when he comes the abomination of desolation, is one of the things are waiting for Adam. And I almond will he comes.

34:50 Additional scripture to come forth, check. It's done. The arm of the Lord will be revealed. I believe that's happened. Yep. At evening time, it shall be light. Hasn't happened yet. Battle of Armageddon. Not yet Battle of Gog, and Magog, not yet the Beast, and the little horn. I don't think that's happened yet. Boston, New York and Alban you destroyed. By the way, on that website, you can click on each one of those signs. And it will take you to the scriptural or authoritative source and talks about each and every one of these sites. If you have you, Alicia's real quick can. There's a couple questions I'm going to have running down this list.

35:38 Of course, you know just because I'm curious. What what what you think it could be? What do you think? The abomination of desolation is The aftermath just utter destruction. The aftermath of utter destruction. Okay, beyond that. I wish I could say but I don't, I don't know that. I understand it personally any better than that? oh, Battle of Armageddon. We know is the great last battle which will be fought in the valley of megiddo which is the northern border of Israel.

36:24 You have Lebanon where we are. I mean, is it has velocity keeps fire. Firing missiles into Israel from the north. Yep. And that is where the nations of the earth will gather to fight one or the other. And so when we see forces start gathering around that Valley, that's that's a pretty good sign. Boston, New York and Albany destroyed. Does that Wilfred woodruff's? Horrendous Vision? Well, that was it, that's a terrible thing. It was it down that was either Taylor or Woodruff II know Taylor, had a pretty devastating, that's hard one to read. That is a very hard one to read. And yet, every time I go into a Megapolis, like I'm driving down to Phoenix and you have 12 Lanes of traffic going in both directions, right, feeding that Megapolis. If something were to happen to any of those Megapolis has where those arteries were severed, and those Megapolis is were not being fed on a daily basis chaos would ensue and it's not a pretty thing to consider but you can see how that vision would be fulfilled, right?

37:32 And and okay in five seconds you're going to want to cover. Your kids is a little years or pause this and show him out of the room. Five four, three, two, one, In that vision. And there's a story I'm going to tell along with this in that Vision Taylor basically sees cannibalism right? And it's the worst kind its parent on child and I always thought that's crazy. There's no way that could happen. And then I remembered an experience. I had when I was living back East, we got hired to do some mapping inside Central Park and the civil engineering firm that we were Contracting with was in one of those high-rises.

38:18 And I remember after the meeting was done, it was the strangest thing. Can, I was actually just enjoying the city lights, because it was just getting Dusk and the lights were coming on. And, and you could see people just kind of moving down below But this thought out of nowhere, I mean. Nowhere can came into my mind, and it was, it was just this. When, when everything goes horribly wrong, this city will eat each other. And I and then it was months later, I actually discovered that that Revelation, but it just doesn't seem feasible and we saw a little bit of that during during covid, right?

39:05 There comes a point at which these as you call them Megatron, palaces just aren't sustainable and and I, you know, we could be there. it wouldn't take much, no, I mean, and he, I hear stories like the Las Vegas for example, where People in law enforcement, they're real secretly confess that they are overwhelmed on a daily basis. Yep, the letting criminals go because they can't keep them. Yep. And every time I drive by 15, through Vegas, or into Vegas, for whatever reason, I get that same feeling of uneasiness that the city is hanging by a thread. And I don't, I don't glory in that. I don't like that.

39:46 And just, I'm just sharing that feeling that I get regarding cannibalism in Scripture. That is always the ultimate sin, that precedes, the destruction of a given civilization. Yep. That was true. It was true at the time of Noah, it was true. At the time of the Nephites cannibalism proceeded their demise. A bit, is the ultimate aberration of the nahan principal murdering to get gain. And if the purpose of the Plan of Salvation is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man, cannibalism is the worst We got whom the children of God upon your own lusts. It's a terrible thing and if you're depraved goblins people, why wouldn't you well, yeah, and a lock of alien thing.

40:31 Yeah. And and You know, to go along with that it. If you look back in Israel's history, the Lord gets fed up with Israel, is specifically around the time of Lehi, when we High makes his exit, when the people are worshipping Maalik, right? Where they are rolling children into the belly of this Beast sacrifice and then consuming the Flesh in a Twisted Sacrament. And so yeah, that that's absolutely When God says enough. And there's there's some other things. That that I think, you know, tie into that without the actual consumption as we think about it, but I think it, I think some of that in a scientific way, could could totally happen.

41:21 Yeah. Those are the things about the second coming that I don't like to think about. I know I look forward to what it means, and I'm also happy to say that these times of tribulation our brief. Yep. God does not go. God's desire is not for his children to suffer, right? Because of agency. He lie has to allow the wicked to suffer the consequences of their choices. Let me ask you this, what do you make of Gog and Magog? Who do you? Let me just say it like this. Who do you think they are? Because I've heard a couple of different opinions you first So I've heard that Gog is the ruler and may God is a country. I'm not sure I buy into that wholeheartedly. The one that makes more sense to me is that they're two separate countries who are aligned and this is going back, clear into the late 90s.

42:25 But I went to a seminar put on by an LDS scholar. I won't name names but he made a very compelling case that Gog and Magog could be China and Russia which during that time seemed Silly right. That that that would ever happen except for maybe right about now is Karen. Yeah, so straight out of the Bible dictionary going along those lines a prophecy about God was the king of Magog. Who's invasion of Israel was prophesied by Zeke prophecy points to a time when the heat the nations of the north would set themselves against the people of God and would be defeated, then led to recognize, Jehovah's King, all this appears to be at the second coming of the Lord.

43:15 Another battle called The Battle of Gog and Magog will occur at the end of the Thousand Years. Hmm, so we know that the end of the Millennium that Satan and his forces will be released for a little season, so that they can be finally. Pushed right to lead us into the 8,000 year which will never talk about this kind of like wrapping up the whole thing, right? Any case So the Battle of Gog and Magog is we talk about relative, this incoming. According to the Bible dictionary, is the final Conflict. At the end of the Millennium, when Satan be loosed for a little season. Okay, anyway, all right, Celestial city is Celeste realized Earth.

43:59 We know that what happened yet. That won't happen till well, after the Millennium, the chastisement of the sayings has that happened yet? Yes. Well Christ appears. Oh. That's what I wanted to say. sometimes I get these conversations about the second coming of the savior, people will look at me sliding table, which coming are you talking about, right? Or how do you know, he hasn't already come? Yes, there are many prophecies and accounts of him appearing at various places and times. None of which are the coming that we are talking about and I'll point this out, the person said, I recognize that some would say, he's come already in the first Vision in the temple and Kirtland, Etc. But that's not the coming, we're talking about where he said. His foot upon the Mount of Olives, the Earth is cleansed as my flyer in this in the Millennia begins. That's what we're talking about, right, right. They'll be various appearances associated with that before and after but what we're talking about right now is the cleansing of the Earth ushering in of the millennial period. So all of those Christ appearances won't happen until he comes the Constitution, hangs by a thread. Check.

45:17 Check How many how many different ways is that been fulfilled? You know. Yep. I mean we talked about the election hijinks we could talk about abuse is, of course, High Court. Oh yeah. We can talk about it. Abuses of executive power, executive orders. That's it. When he thinks he's a king. I'm just going to forgive all of your Dad. How about who do you think you are? It's really got to me sucker. Anyway. David, the prince Yeah, this link Scourge not quite yet. Earth shall be removed.

46:02 That one happened to later Herschel met with heat, that would have until Christ comes earthquake at the battle of Armageddon. Not yet earthquakes at the death of two witnesses, We'll talk about that some more, not yet. Earthquakes in divers places. Check, I think so. Sure Elders will be called home. I went covid struck. Right? And the missionary work was put on pause and our own. I lost his trumpet. Yep. Yep. It's dry. Like I figured wow, that's a sign. Yeah, that the missionary work is be put on pause. The temple work has been put on pause. Have your in covid. Did it ever get a little long for you?

46:43 I remember there were times. I was thinking. I'm ready? For the next part of the Apocalypse because this is getting old. So, yep. That at first, it was shocking and surprising. Yeah, I am. I modernism, I thought I didn't believe anything like that could happen to us nowadays because of modern medicine. Boy, was I wrong boy. It was and it was kind of in a strange way exciting first because I've never experienced anything like this but after a while saying this is not fun. Yeah, you know, go back to church. I want to be with my choir and I want to meet with people, I want to shake hands again, you know, I I honestly think Ken that that was supposed to be a time of reflection for us, right?

47:29 Almost like a shot across the bow because here's what we discovered. That's what they're telling us to General Conference. This is a warning, is there, is that This exposed families right now. I was very I was I was pleasantly surprised we get as well as we did all cooped up together so to speak, right? But I know of several families who didn't fare well at all, that just kind of all the things that were maybe issues that hadn't been resolved were exacerbated, right? And I felt like that this was a time I'm when if you have those things, good time to work on it and if you saw faults within your family, maybe it's time to fix it and I'm not sure we heeded that call real well as a people.

48:23 Well, and we see that in times of trial, the was it? Let me go. I'm gets tough, the tough get going because it's kind of their Watershed events you had our trials for the faithful. The, for example, membership activity within the LDS church has altered significantly because of covid. Right are people who just didn't come back. None of it surprises me if you're familiar with the parable of the ten virgins, thanks for Kibble and self. Interpreted the parable of the ten virgins of the ten virgins for the righteous endowed Latter-Day Saints, right? They were virgins had the wedding garment and they had an invitation to the east.

49:09 The only thing they didn't have was enough light to not be deceived and made the most of, all right? Let's see. Earth shall be removed. That will happen after Earth shall melt with heat. After all, we covered that eyes and tongues consumed. Poo the prophecy in the Doctrine and Covenants talks about that. And when you read accounts of Hiroshima, tragically, yeah. He saw that happen. Yep. Fall of the Abominable church tonight. Yeah. Follow a little whore. Not yet famine and pestilence. Are we we talking about consequences of war in Ukraine? The breadbasket of Europe?

49:52 Yeah. Are we seeing that yet? I mean, I've never seen shortages like I've seen The past couple of years? No, no. We do we have lived in such a blessed time where there was always plenty, right? You didn't have to like the only thing you were really worried about was that Year's toy for Christmas, right? That was the only shortages you really ever had to deal with i-i'll. Go back to the covid. Again. Um, I don't know why this makes me so emotional, but it does me. And my son were sitting at home and and this will tell you about me and my kids, we're me and the boys were kind of heathens.

50:36 I'm not going to lie a little bit like when covid started. Our activity was, let's sit on the couch and watch every pandemic movie we can watch. Yeah, first one to tap out, gets called a wuss, right? And and the lone survivor. He's yeah. And right so this story comes yes with Doritos. There was a lot of different, look every time. This was the only thing got me through, I'm not gonna lie. But anyway, one night we were just sitting around the house and this was like, you remember Governor Herbert hearing you talking. Mine and said, okay, we're going to go into a lockdown. It's going to start in like three days.

51:18 And fortunately for me, my wife, Rockstar, right? I mean we had everything that we could have needed for a good. Probably six months not quite a year, but but we're stocked right? We'll take six months. Yeah and so we were in good shape but I was like one night I just couldn't sleep and if this was like, again, a couple days before the lockdown, And I felt a prompting to go to WinCo. We didn't need anything, but I just had this weird prompting and I kind of truck it off for a few minutes but then I'm like, well, just go. So I went and when I got there, what I discovered was pandemonium Ken And it was so sad to see and it left a really strong impression on me.

52:21 What's the super strong impression on me about? Just how fragile we are as a society and just how pampered we are. And I saw mother's scrambling to get anything they could write two to buy noodles to buy just Staples. And I'm like or how about baby formula Tylenol or how about a new car? I've never seen that. Yeah, see George there. Were there was a year and a half where all the new car dealers. Tips. You can use to car dealerships. Yep, you couldn't. And that like, that was the weirdest thing. And so this global economy, this beautiful interdependent global economy that makes things so efficient for us. It doesn't take that much to break down when I saw those. Those Mega ships piling up off of the West Coast trying to deliver their goods.

53:20 Not enough. They're still backed up. You could see him satellite images back up into the Pacific. Yeah, it's kind of scary stuff. Scary stuff. Is I think I think it was a call that we're more fragile than what we would like to admit. For sure, for sure. Now, some of these things were going to get into. Now helps distinguish, our time from World War Two, when they thought the world was ending right Gathering of Israel. That's happening. Big time. Yep, Gathering to Jerusalem that did not happen until after World War Two. I mean, we take that for granted that Jerusalem Israel exists at all for the first time in almost two thousand years, right? Can, it's happening again, let me stop you there. I was just listening.

54:09 Who was I listening to? it was either Glenn Beck or or maybe Sean Hannity, I can't remember but I was just listening to news radio and he had a guest on who was saying that there's a new flood of people moving into Jerusalem out of like Ukraine and Russia. There's a new people especially Jewish folks are feeling a pull to go back again in a big significant way and he's here, parallel here in the United States, tell these people moving to back to Utah, grew up. Here coming back because they feel this wanting to stand in holy places or at least safe places there.

54:54 I mean the exceeded population movements from these Megapolis is like east and west coast cities and they're moving to where Idaho Utah, Arizona. I know. I know, I know. I see it not a bad thing, not even. Oh, I know. All right. Where were you Gathering to Zion happening? For sure. Gentile nation is destroyed first. Not there yet. Gospel preached for sure. Great, an abominable Church. Oh yeah, hailstorm a battle of Armageddon. Not yet hailstorms. Not, yeah. Half hour of Silence, not yet.

55:34 Heathen Nations redeemed? Yes, hmm. I shall become one. Land. That'll happen. Price comes, Jerusalem and Zion are Eternal when Christ comes Jerusalem Temple rebuilt. Apparently, that needs to begin before his coming. Yeah, that begins when that begins and we know that the zionists in Jerusalem were trying to make it happen. Well, it can do that. That one is fascinating to me. Because you, you, you see Certain preparations, right? Like I want to say it was 78 years ago. They finally were able to through selective breeding and that sort of thing. Get a red heifer, again, right?

56:16 That was one of the things and, and I'm like, okay, but how are you going to build the temple when there's a big mosque on top of it, right? So I'm really curious how that will shake out. Yeah. Me too me too. I also wonder meaning this is a stretch but the BYU Jerusalem Center its construction and I'm not saying BYU's God's school or anything like that, but it is a very significant LDS presence in Jerusalem and it is a holy. It is a holy Place scene photos in that sort of thing. And it was miraculous that that ever happened Jews converted in one day. Not yet. Judgment yet lamanites will Blossom as a rooms I say it has happened. Okay.

57:05 I want to hear it. Go ahead. We, when we say lamanites, we tend to think of North American Plains Indians. Which is ignorant because we are completely casting aside, the vast majority of Native Americans, which exists South of the Border. When you look at and you know, whatever stock you put in the building of temples, I mean, goodness gracious. The temples in Central and South America have proliferated and continued to proliferate. And that the the most significant growth in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, is happening there. Right, I say something.

57:46 I say we are witnessing here now. So the only thing I would push back on there. A little bit would be, I think you have to include the Native Americans. And I North America, the North American tribes. Yep. And I feel like they've been woefully neglected in this somewhat. I mean, if you look at some of their circumstances, I just I feel horrible that they're in those circumstances, but surely those of us who have grown up in the west, I grew up amongst the Shoshone tribes in Wyoming and would play football, basketball and state championship basketball teams met those guys were good.

58:28 Yeah. In high school, they were terrible in football. We created been football basketball, they were awesome. Now, that's a tough one, because they, in my view, I don't see any change occurring at all. Yeah, they have. I mean, in my lifetime, they continue to exist as they have That's all I don't. Oh Heaven, Help me if I don't want to offend anyone, sure on the, on the other hand there are North American tribes like the the Northwestern tribes in eastern. Sure that bar that are thriving. Yep. But we tend to think traditionally of the the reservation tribes that remain on the reservation and have not really changed over time, mostly by their choice, because they're want to preserve their traditional way of life.

59:20 Then it's old also I guess would you know what we want to call a blossoming, but outside of those North American reservation tribes, the other tribes which are pretty much integrated are thriving and are doing very well. But of course, South of the Border. We're seeing massive conversions and a great success in preaching to the Native American people's south of the And states. So that we could maybe put to M plus or a check mark there. But I, I think we're witnessing that we take for granted because in the United States, we obsess about the planes in, right?

1:00:03 Which is a fraction of the Native American population, sure. All right. Living water from Jerusalem Temple. We know that won't happen. To price. Puts his foot on the Mount of Olives, a lost ten tribes of Israel. There are those who depend on, who you read, not his name, Bruce mcconkie, son. Wrote a marvelous article about this, this Gathering of Israel which is missionary work is happening in a very big way and there are many many not. The patriarchal blessing is necessarily the answer but there are indications that people from many tribes. Especially I have friends and neighbors, who served in Russia, they're seeing a lot of these tribes turn up. Interspersed among yeah, among the Russian populations. So one could say that is already happening. The reason I didn't check it off. There seems to be this section 130 which has never been explained very well by anyone.

1:01:01 In a great Highway shall be cast up from deep and lands become one. The tribes will come down to be crowded with the blessings of even that sort of thing that seems to be kind of a second coming kind of a thing. Okay. Yeah. A man like Anna. Moses? Hello, Joseph Brigham. Yep. Millennium. LM, not yet, not yet. Not yet mountains of flow down in his presence at section 130. Not yet, new Heaven and new earth, not yet. All that stuff will happen. As a result of his coming out of Zion shall go forth the law, so Jerusalem would be the religious capital. In Zion will be delayed Capital, that will happen in parable of the ten virgins. I think it's happening. Yeah, I think you're right.

1:01:43 That one, that one is happening. For sure. And I didn't believe that before maybe 10 years ago right now it's like wow, that's so happening piece will be taking with me Earth. Definitely happened, persecution of the Saints. There was the Mormon moment that is over, right? Yep. We will be coming, already coming under it. Well, good Heavens. They don't even Elder Holland to speak at suu because he said muskets in his speech. It had anything to do with anything. I mean, that's I think that's the tip of the iceberg. Yeah. No, I think you're right, I think we're entering a time now where it doesn't matter, what kind of Mormon you say, you are, you're going to become a pinata a little bit, right? You're going to get some heat.

1:02:31 How dare Mormons believe that there are such a thing called sin. How dare we say there are behaviors that are unhealthy, right? Right and I'm God, how dare you, how dare you shame other people. Anyway, rainbow has not been withdrawn yet. Restoration of all things we could say in terms of the fullness of the Gospel. Yes. Yep. Resurrection. Not yet sacrifice. Yes. I should have that scripture at the ready.

1:03:15 When the sons of Moses and Aaron offer get an offering in righteousness, that scripture from the Doctrine and Covenants has already been answered. Oh, I must find us. Hey, here we go. This is section, 128 verse 24, behold the great day of the Lord is at hand and who can abide the day of his coming and who can stand when he appears with its rhetorical question. Nobody can't write for. He is like a refiners fire, like Fuller soap and he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver and he shall purify the sons of Levi, who are the sons of Levi. Pick your priesthood.

1:04:04 People have priests and convertible. I believe it's in the teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, I could be wrong, but I think doesn't Joseph Smith get very specific about animal sacrifices again, being offered up in Jerusalem. I would like to see that because this scripture says, well, let me finish this and we'll continue this conversation. So let's talk about the and he's going to purify the sons of Levi and purge them as gold and silver that they may offer unto the Lord an offering in righteousness. I most people think, oh, we're going to have animal sacrifice again, which seems weird after the great and last sacrifice. But then the scripture goes on.

1:04:46 Let us therefore as the sons of Levi, as a church ended people, and as Latter-Day Saints, offer unto the Lord, an offering in righteousness and then it names the offering and let us present in his holy Temple. When it is finished. A book, containing the records of our dead. And which shall be worthy of all acceptation. So according to one, 28 verse 24 that offering in righteousness is vicarious work which is what the ancient temples were prefiguring because they could not do vicarious work until after the resurrection. So that offering in righteousness, we think is going to be animal sacrifice section.

1:05:33 128 says, no, it's the purified Latter-Day Saints offer that offering in righteousness, it's a book. Containing the records of our dead referring to Vicarious work. So that's why I check that off as a. Yeah, that's done in the process of being done at least. Okay? You and I may disagree there a little bit on it because I'm looking at the quote here and and Joseph does Typically talk about animal sacrifices. Now, by the way, before you read that. It doesn't preclude. Both no, no. I did. I just want to point out, right? I'm down with saying, it's most likely is both. I'm down for that.

1:06:14 So, I, but if we do animal sacrifice again, you will only be symbolic. Yes, as it was anyway, right? As it was himself it, right? It has no salvific, no, no, no. Right, I agree with you totally on that. I think it could be referencing both. I-i'm that that is a very interesting topic. Is it isn't it is an interesting topic, let's see. And I have to admit being a guy who like when you hear about what the what the ritual was. I mean, this is a lamb you brought into your house, almost, right. It became a pet. So I'm not necessarily looking forward to that with a whole lot of Glee anyway, but Yeah, no it's it is a fascinating conversation topic.

1:07:01 You're right. So when that happens you and I will look at each other. One of us is going to raise our eyebrows and the other will look down shamefaced. Yeah, if it happens right. Right night, I haven't figured out why it should happen, unless it's just to fulfill to close the circle, you know, in the presence of Christ, but secret combinations. You know what's going to happen when we find out one way or another, Sure how that's going to go. One of us. Will pass the other. A five dollar bill. Like, you got me on that one. Here you go. Yeah, yeah. No. Both laugh. I love that. Yeah, that's right. Secret combinations. Yes yeah. Oh yeah.

1:07:42 Well, big time. Yeah. We know, they're out there. We don't know the half of it. I don't want to know all of it and just bring me down. Yep, sons of Levi offering. We just read that scripture. That's happening. I believe. The spirit of God will withdraw. Yep, it is happening. And of course, the result of the withdrawal of the spirit of God is chaos, right? We're starting to see that in the cities where a lawn, or Law and Order going to hell in as some of these other nations where they've been hanging by a thread in any case. Hmm, I don't know if it's on this list but something I wanted to talk to you about one of those signs is it talks about men's Hearts failing them and is that on this list somewhere can? If it's not, we should be ashamed because it should be I don't see it.

1:08:33 Oh, we're gonna have to add it. Good job. You found one, you know, that's happening, that one. What is that? You know, that one? I find fascinating because I went through several iterations of what that could be. Now, as, as a brand-new Mormon, my first thought was, oh, people are like Keeling over because of heart attacks, right? That's right. First thought great. And then I thought well I think maybe it's just the love of man waxing cold towards his brother. Other, which I think that could still be a part of it even now. But lately. I've been thinking about, The courage of men. Failing them.

1:09:18 We live in a time. Now, that's very interesting in the sense of we just seem to be denying reality at every turn and to call out that Li you are labeled a hater. You could find yourself losing your job, you could find yourself being canceled. And so, I think there is hesitancy, like, never before On the part of men, where, where, their their heart, their courage, it's failing them. And I think that that, you know, that that's a huge part of it. Because as men become more and more worried about, you know, these things that courage seems to be waning a little bit.

1:10:05 I also, I also think that that, you know, the the love of the Brotherly Love waxing Kolb, I think as a part of that as well. Absolutely, I tend to think of it as losing hope. Yeah, because as we talked about before as times become less and less stable, more and more tribulation and more problems and we're we're experiencing shortages famine disease, and pestilence and all this sort of thing. The only people who will not lose, hope are they people who recognize these signs in weirdly? Get because Jesus is coming, right?

1:10:48 Everybody else. We'll lose hope. Yeah. And their hearts will fail. Yeah, for me. But I think they're all true. I do too. Can I do too? I do very interesting. Yeah the spirit of God will withdraw. Yeah definitely. Yep. Temples temples will dot the land. Hmm. Who of us and our lifetime anticipated. This credible rate of Temple construction within the church, right? Last conference, I'm sitting there in 1, 2, 3 15, right? And this hundred-year-old Man shows no signs of slowing down. It seems like the crazier things, get the more intent. They are in trying to bring higher ordinances to the people. As a wholly standing to make it possible for more and more States stand in holy places.

1:11:54 Times of the Gentiles will be fulfilled. Most certainly. So the tongue of Egyptian see will be destroying. Not yet trumpets and plagues. I think we're starting to see that the two witnesses now, this is fascinating. This is the alarm Bell. This is the one he should be quite obvious. And let some, let me call that up here on my screen. I think I know where you're going with this.

1:12:36 Let's share. Where did that go again? No, no no no no. Not here. No right here. I'll share that one. Yes. The two witnesses. So here we are on the website reading straight out of Revelation. That verse 3, I will give power unto my two witnesses and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred threescore days, three and a half years.

1:13:18 These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks standing before the god of the earth. And if any man will hurt them fire proceedeth out of the mouth and devours, their enemies. If any man will hurt them, he must in this manner. Be killed. These have power to shut Heaven. That it not rain in the days of their prophecy, and have power over Waters, to turn them to blood and to Smite the Earth with all plagues as often as they will. And when they shall have finished their testimony, the Beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them and shall overcome them. All them and their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt. Where also our Lord was crucified. So in Jerusalem and they have the people and kindred's and tongues and Nations shall see their dead bodies, three days and a half and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in Graves.

1:14:06 And they that dwell upon the Earth shall rejoice over them and make Merry and shall send gifts one to another because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. And after three and a half days is Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet and great fear fell upon them, which saw them, and they heard a great voice from Heaven saying, come up hither. They sent it up to heaven in a cloud and their enemies beheld of them. And the same hour, there was a great earthquake and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain men, 7,000 And the remnant were affrighted in the gave glory to the god of Heaven. So when two two witnesses two, prophets began to prophesy in Jerusalem and great power unmistakable power.

1:14:49 That means Jesus will come in three and a half years. That's how I see that. That's, that's the alarm Bell. Absolutely. Yeah. No, because it spells it out there. Pretty clearly, doesn't it? It's very specific to be short. Yeah. Now. So War in the United States, not yet. Not yet. Not yet. But and you know, that's something we get an idea how easily this could start. We're starting to see open Rebellion against. Whoa.

1:15:36 Chasm. Over Bud Light. Yep. Yep. I mean something that small can cause people to completely decimate a very powerful retailer. I mean, when something of any real significance happens, there is a segment of the populace that they've happened. Well, yeah. And, and, and this could be a couple different things, right. This could be civil war so to speak. Yeah, um, look, I'm trying here to be sensitive about this, but I don't think I can be, um, from the from my time while living on the East Coast.

1:16:23 I have a good friend, I'm still friends with it, and he was my next door neighbor. Wasn't isn't a Mormon of any kind and all I could ever get out of him about where he worked was quote, an agency inside out. So take that for what it is. Yeah, but but we talk quite often because he's, like, one of those guys I never want to lose contact with because he, he knows right. Yeah, he told me some interesting stuff during covid. That was pretty fast. mating, which makes me think it did start in the lab but oh well, we've done some things through this whole Ukraine, Russia thing that could be construed as as as an act of War.

1:17:21 Specifically having to do with a pipeline. and I can't confirm it, but that's what I hear is that, that was maybe Maybe we had a hand in that. Somehow not saying it was our boys on the ground necessary, right? But right, we funded that and so you look at something like that, it was, you know, we have spy balloons, flying over the heart, the heartland of America, And we're like, yeah, just let it go. What could go?

1:18:02 What could go wrong, right? And I'm so this, I think this idea that that somehow were immune to an attack Or to an all-out war waged on our Shores. I don't think seems as far-fetched today as it used to be. And so it could be like you're saying Civil War. I mean that's, that's always a possibility. If we look at how the inner cities now are eating themselves. I mean, look at this. What's going on in Chicago? I mean it's a bloodbath and of the political divide in the United States right now is Urban. Is rural girl.

1:18:43 Yep. Yep. You're absolutely right. And the populations I think are quite naturally dividing themselves. For better and for worse. I mean, I wouldn't wish this upon anyone. No, but it's not getting better. It's not no waiting. No. In the political hijinks, I mean, I listened to your podcast on abortion. That was a hard one. That was a hard. That was a very for me to do but I'm like I said the dirty tricks, the people play to try and skirt the law to continue to take. Innocent lives is utterly shocking to me.

1:19:26 And to me, that's that's a canary in the coal mine, right? How we can treat children and I don't care what anybody says. Look, That is a child that will never become a transmission to a 79 Buick within the womb. Right? That is a person. And so when you start and completely innocent, yep. And when we start engaging in that behavior, we're done. And I think I said this in the podcast when the Dobbs decision came down I was overjoyed. I mean as a guy who adopted two twins who struggled for life, I was always Pro, right? I was a weird kid, right?

1:20:09 Like I would go party with my buddies and then listen to Rush Limbaugh on my headphones during during class. So I was a weird kid. So I've always slanted towards pro-life on this but that got ramped up when I saw my twins fight for every breath. Of Life they took. And I realized that the default setting for everybody is life. When the dog decisions came down, I wept in my car, I wept in my car and I came home and that night, I fell on my knees and I thanked my God and what I got back after I got up off my knees and just contemplated and I believe it was, you know, it was a personal thing. I'm not saying it's for anybody else. But what I what I got was don't be too happy quite yet because all I've done is allow people to separate themselves because right now, you know, as it stood before, then our tax dollars were going federally to support this now. Now people get to choose.

1:21:25 Now people have the choice and a strong. Don't take me, it's not give me CC. Which states are funding abortion. I mean, we We'll fly you to a state where it's still legal company companies and entities or I'll pay for my employees to take time off to go get an abortion as you say, separating ourselves. Yep. According to what we choose? Yeah, if you live in a state, that's doing that. Hmm, right. I mean, I'm not saying look, everybody's circumstances going to be different and you should say and exactly where the Lord tells you to stand. Yeah. Having said that you may want to think About voting with your feet. If you live in New York or California where they're talking about post birth abortion, you might want to think about getting out of Dodge Magnum crazy. They would even consider that but it's on the table. Now I know how is that?

1:22:22 Not murdered. Yeah, mind-boggling you have ugly and so again, I don't I don't think this is over by any stretch of the imagination and I think At this was a gift for time that you get to make a choice now. All right. Like you, I was thrilled with that decision came down, I thought, wow. That was easier than I thought it would be but then the Crusty part of me is like it ain't over yet. We haven't even begun to see the wicked machinations that work. Well, in promote the taking of innocent lives.

1:23:02 I mean this is the Latter-Day version of Child sacrifice. It is no you're 100% correct. All that's happened. Is that the Scarlet Robes of the presymbolic have been replaced by white lab coats and scrubs in abortion clinics? That's it. That's the only thing that's changed. It's just been repurposed and repackaged for modern consumption, that's all they pray and they pray upon the ignorant and the desperate. Absolutely they do. Absolutely. We they do and then if you want to, you know, I had a buddy who just literally fled to the United States from Canada because Canada past the wall that said, if you're a teenager I think it's over the age of 14 but I could be wrong on that.

1:23:51 You can have medical assisted suicide for depression. If a doctor says it doesn't, he doesn't see it getting any better. This guy had to take his whole family to save his child. And moved out of the country. Fortunately his wife had dual citizenship so they were able to get out of there but they were weeks away from scheduling it. There. And this is the part where I get is hard to believe. Honestly. Hard to believe. Yeah, yeah. But it's happening. It's happening right before our eyes and If we don't recognize this for what it is, I mean, wow. Yeah, we're there.

1:24:39 I need to go get some Doritos. Let's read through, but it's macaques. Yeah. Mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the mountains, top of the mountains? Sure. Yeah. The Lord shall lift an enzyme and gather Israel check Sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not cause her light shine not yet. We see how possible it is. Why that could be Man shall transgress the law break the Everlasting. Covenant, check Nephi shall speak as a voice from the dust. Check is also be gathered with power check. God will set up a kingdom, which shall not be destroyed should act, or is dreams, and Visions. Will precede the second coming check. All nations will gather against Jerusalem to battle Armageddon. Not yet the day, cometh, that shall burn as an oven. Not yet.

1:25:27 Great calamities perceived his incoming. Yes, you know, the one we take for granted is the tsunami in Thailand. There's only one script for the Prophecies of the Seas, he being beyond their bounds. It's in the Doctrine and Covenants. None of us had ever knew what that was until that tsunami. Now we had tsunami warnings. That how will that get how easily that can happen? Great collateral. Paul described apostasy and perilous times of the last days check. Yep, two prophets will be slain. There's our favorite is my favorite not yet gospel shall be restored in the last days. Check Babylon will be established in the fall. Not yet is what we got the power. Yes this is signing me know the time but commercial going forth. Check lameness Blossom.

1:26:18 Check maybe the wicked to slay the wicked check. No yeah. Yeah, war war will be poured out upon All Nations. Check signs of people's the elements Angels, not yet Darkness covers the earth, I say not yet but darkness in the parable of the ten virgins is wickedness or the absence of light, right? I think I would change that to a red checkmark. I think that's done. I don't know why. Mark a blue. The Lord commanded the Saints to prepare for the second coming. Yes. Yep. So the final question or not This if you look at all of the things that just have the plus Mark that we're still waiting for how long would it take.

1:27:04 How much time would it take for all of those to happen? Not very long, you know? And and here's what I've noticed since Now this comes from the book of Dave. I don't want anyone thinking that this is Doc, I'm gonna get it. How can I get a copy of the book? And Dave, you wouldn't want. It's just nothing for. It's mostly just recipes. You can use with Doritos. That's all it. Is there a bit and the Regal stains all over it, right? That's right. Um, I've noticed since like I feel like when 9/11 happened, I feel like that was the first of the serious things that started to happen, right?

1:27:47 Do you know, do you know that the Towers falling is actually referenced and Isaiah really? When the towers fell you look it up an exam. I'm going to have to do that. Very very specific crazy. Anyway I like I like the parable of the woman in travail, she's about to give labor, right? And for those of us with children who have seen are our wives, or if you're a woman listening, you know, better than me. Those contractions start out. Somewhat mild somewhat space to Heart, right?

1:28:28 Right. And what I've felt since 9/11 is that those birth pangs are happening more strongly and more closely together. So as we look at the rest of that list, we think, you know, if you were just passively looking at it without thinking about what's What's proceeded in the past, right? How far removed are we from 911 now? Ken like 25 years? Probably not even that with 22 years. 22, was it 2011 2001? Yeah. So yeah, 22 years. Think about everything that has changed 10 in that last 22 years. Think about what we have seen and then think about how much quicker it seems to be coming.

1:29:18 Just one right after another. Just bought every day, right? And so I wake up every day, check the head. Headlines to see what is what has happened now. Yeah. Yeah, everybody. Absolutely. So, while well again, you might look at that passively without looking at history as a reference. I think you can say that. Since 9/11. Those birth pangs, those contractions have started to become stronger and closer together and closer together and meaning that the time of the event is at hand, right? Right. That we're getting to that point.

1:29:59 I'll never pretend to tell anyone when I think the savior's coming because I just don't know. Okay, when we're done here we stop recording you and I are going to tell each other. What we think. Okay that sounds good. So we will put five bucks on it. Yeah. With are worthless money at that point. Right right. But But yeah, I just think it's closer and closer together and for now we just have to look at the events. And again, I don't think it takes a prophet or somebody with a prophetic gift to say, if we look at the history of the last 23 years, we can expect some of those other events to start coming quicker and suit and closer to the next event after that. well, if I were to bottom line, all of this is what we have to remember, most of all The reason the signs are given is so that we won't be afraid, right?

1:31:03 So that we won't lose heart, so we won't lose hope and that is hard and as difficult as think and as horrific as some things are, what is it leading to the greatest age in the history of this world? The age that every Prophet since Adam has looked forward to we are on the we're on the cusp of that we are. I mean, even to be alive Here and Now, My blessing encourages me to Rejoice that. I should see the Fulfillment of Prophecy among the Nations. Yeah. It's like sitting on the 50-yard line, you know? Super Bowl.

1:31:44 Yep. Only far, far more impactful, obviously, but, and it's not that and I don't rejoice in the suffering of any. Hmm, not even the way it. No, but what I have to keep in mind, Is that this is all in preparation for a thousand years Paradise, right? Paradise. Yep. Yep. India, the descriptions of That Paradise are just I love the section 76 when it describes the T. Last whole Kingdom as the Kingman that surpasses all understanding.

1:32:28 Yeah. And this to rest were world will be beyond that, right? So you know and God God is good and merciful and gracious. Yep. And I think that's important that that we, we make that point, right? Is that Yes, these are going to be frightening times. However, I had a good friend when I when I live back East who was an Evangelical, I believe it was a Baptist and he made most Mormons. You know, look like rookies when it came to reproduction, he had like nine kids, I mean, but, but he was, he was one of the best men that I ever met when I was back there.

1:33:18 And he said something really profound ones because we compared notes to, you know, what, each other believe. Because he'd only ever met Mormon missionaries, he never met one that just worked, right? Yeah. And so we were talking once about the last days and he said something he's like, you know, I've kind of taken this approach that. Yes, you know, we may not all make it out unscathed, but I feel like if we have a real good handle on Jesus first coming, his second coming Won't seem so terrible for those acquainted with him and and whatnot.

1:34:01 And I thought that was a profound statement and absolutely, I mean, can you imagine seeing all this, seeing this world, fall apart, right? And not believing something better is coming, right, right. And it's still as funny to me, I know a lot of people who are active participating Latter-day Saints, Who really don't see the second coming as a reality. It's too like a fairy tale, but I understand why it is. It's like the greatest fairy tale ever accept it because of what I know, it's as real to me as anything.

1:34:42 Absolutely can't get around. Can't deny. And I see the absurdity. I, I see the, I clearly see the absurdity of such a belief on the one hand. On the other hand, I am absolutely certain. Yeah, it will, it will happen as a rational individual, right? You look back and you think, oh, we got to be far away or whatever. And yeah, and you're right. It is kind of a If you weren't a Believer, it would seem like an a, an absurd story. But then, again, we're two guys who believed that there was a young man in Upstate, New York, who saw God, right? So, I mean, it's old plates, right? Right.

1:35:23 So, so we're riddled with with, with, you know, unbelievable stories. But the fact that there have been so many bull's-eyes within the restored gospel It's undeniable. He's coming again. You'll get here. I mean with without that's where I'm at. That's where I'm at. You're sure. So the the yeah, no, it's a foregone conclusion, but I, I'll tell you sometimes what I hear and I understand there have been a lot of faults guesses in the past, mostly by other faiths. Mhm.

1:36:10 Who will not be mentioned because I don't have anybody right both in and out of Mormonism, you know, oh, oh well and what? You guess that he was going to come in 1920. Something, why didn't he? Oh he did. He came for the second time in heaven. That's what really happened. We all know that's a cop-out, we all know that's a cop-out, but and I think that's, that's part of Satan's and game to to trick us enough times that we was faith. And this is why this list of scientists so critical, right? Could not have come before now because they're all those signs had yet to be fulfilled, right? Significant number all of which, though, could be fulfilled in a relatively short period of time.

1:36:55 Absolutely. You know, the other thing I think, like, if you are, if you're terrified by this, I think this is probably This this checklist should be one of those things that maybe makes you stop and think for a second. Maybe I just need to do some more preparing, right? Get acquainted with God. Now don't procrastinate this, don't wait because look at one one way or another you're going to meet right? Whether yeah that's true. Whether whether he's coming tomorrow or whether you pass away at some point, you're going to meet him.

1:37:35 You're the thing. I like to meet him. Yeah. Well death is not the end. Neither you died in righteousness for dying wickedness. It will be a merciful death, all the same, right? And here are two things I like to point out when I have these conversations, if they're Latter-Day Saint and they're like, yeah, I don't think he's gonna come anytime soon. I'm like, excuse me. What church do you belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter? Yeah, we believe these are the last days. Days. I think a lot of people just want to put that on want to think about it and I understand, I mean not everybody can be as obsessive as you and I and Drew another's, right?

1:38:15 But the other thing I like to point out all the Earth could never be destroyed. I'm like, you know what? Even geological Sciences. Tell us that it has already happened on this Earth at least five times. Yeah. The Earth has been destroyed decimated and made over again. Just like Joseph Smith said, yep, yep, kills us talked about that. Yep, wow. Anyway, yeah, no. I mean, look Yellowstone. He, you can't believe it's happened. Well, it already has happened. I was going to say Sir that Yellowstone has done some damage before. Yeah.

1:38:56 Right. And it's entirely possible, it could do it again. So and that was just a little tea. Five mass extinction events, right? Life had to be started. A new world. Had to be planted on this Earth. The world of Adam being the most recent iteration of that. Yep. Absolutely. I'm sorry, I'm mistaken. The world of Noah is the most recent iteration because the world has already been the world of Adam was destroyed and the world of Noah they had to reboot, right? Yep. Yeah, yeah. So yeah it. Yeah. You just and I guess I I'd want to end here, right? Which is If you find this list, utterly terrifying, there's a reason for it, right?

1:39:46 I like what you opened with the great and Dreadful day of the Lord, I think, I think when those, some of these other prophecies are fulfilled, especially the ones that are just brutal. I think we have to stay fixed on what the end is right? What what, what the end goal or the end event is right? The the reappear appearance of the Savior and that and to remember understand that the Fulfillment of the Earth being restored to its paired cycle, Glory Far, and Away, ouch signs, and outweighs any terrible thing that could happen to leading up to it.

1:40:31 God is a loving God. Merciful god. And the only reason he's destroying the Earth is to preserve the righteous. There was there was no other way for that to happen. It will be so wicked. One of the most beautiful scriptures, I think I can. Always in the back of my mind when I'm looking at stuff, like, this is in Revelations where it says animals wipe away every tear. I was just thinking of that very scripture, I promise you. Yeah, I know, yeah, I don't doubt that a bit Ken, where he wipes away, every tear and takes away every sorrow. That's what this all goes goes towards, right? Is I think at that point will start to understand the atonement in a much more profound way and what it's capable of doing the love of God, thanks to, yeah, thanks to our.

1:41:28 He wants to do what he wants to do for us, what he has done for us. The think one of the things I love about the Millennium is when Christ comes again. How does he celebrate his arrival? It's a feast, right? A Feast, a banquet. I mean, figuratively. And I believe, literally, I do text for him. That's that's fun to gather together with his people. Yep. And to just celebrate being together. Living together. I was reading 3rd Nephi again. When Christ was amongst the people about a foot, When he appeared and what it was that made him weep he wept for, he was so happy to to feel of their love and to be able to love them fully that he wept to have that kind of insight into the type of person that our savior is and why extension.

1:42:33 Our father is is very touching to me. Yeah. The thinking they're they're not in person, they're not Impersonal. They are very personable. They want to hold children. They want to laugh. I want to play. They want to sing with us to us for us. We want to eat with us? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Can you imagine anything more wonderful. Well I think I think you would I pass in five dollar bills back and forth. That's right. That's right there. Yeah, exactly exactly. Yeah, no. I really do. I think. And I think you're right is we we tend to look at God and we think and the Savior as well and we tend to think of them as far off and not personable and not Not someone that we could identify with or whatever. Well, it's a conundrum because they're so great and So Glorious, we cannot even bear their physical presence, right? But their greatness, and glory is exceeded by their love. That's, yeah, that's the crazy thing their love for us, their desire to be with us.

1:43:55 And to share Joy with us exceeds their Glory. I mean it's part of their Glory. I've only ever shared this story with my wife but I feel prompted to share it here. When I was still in the LDS church, I just come into the church. I was I was probably all of you know, 2021 maybe and I was giving this home assignment a home teaching assignment to a woman named Camille and Camille was just she was an absolute rock star in a lot of ways.

1:44:41 I mean, she just lived the gospels best as she could. And Camille got diagnosed with stage four, cancer. I can't remember what kind. And so, it was me and a member of the bishopric who were assigned as her home teachers and I felt horribly awkward, you know, what am I going to say to her? What, what can I say to her one? I'm brand-new was a Mormon. I don't, I'm still figuring out the doctrine at that point. And what I didn't, I went over there trying to be as of much Service as I could be right, anything she needed. Yeah but she taught me way more than I did for her at any any sort of measure.

1:45:28 And I remember when she was close, she was probably, I don't know. I'll bet you, it wasn't more than 24 hours. Before that, that she asked me and my home teaching, companion to go over and meet with her. And when we went, she was remarkably alert at that stage. and, she said something that that has stuck with me forever and she said, I had a visitation last night. and, I saw the Savior and he is so warm. and he, he talked to me at length about what I can expect. And I know some will say, you know, it was medication or it was the bodies act in dying, but in feeling and she didn't have a lot of family either, she was adopted, she had a real hard wife.

1:46:41 But she prevailed right? And And I could see the Savior coming to someone like that. And her descriptions of him. Just speaking with her just talking with her and I don't dare divulge what it is. She said on the podcast here, in its entirety But it painted a picture. of a man whose And I say man with quotes right he is the same but a man a person full of love and caring and the thing she said to me that stuck out the most is I knew him. And he knew me.

1:47:30 And he was way more familiar than I ever knew who he was. And so as we get to this point these points, where things get dicey in this world and things get rough, whether it's on this stage at, we've been talking about the macro or the micro. Yeah, Our Saviors, everyone kept our savior stands, able and willing, To heal broken hearts. If it's his will to heal bodies and I think that's what we should look forward to. We should we should look forward to that verse in Revelation, we should look forward to being as the Nephites were and watching miracles happen at his coming with that.

1:48:20 He bless his children and heals the sick that 3rd Nephi account which gives the single best description of his Persona. Yeah, absolutely is. Is what he wants. And the fact, you know, what is your tell me about this woman? And I don't doubt it in a slightest of the billions upon billions of beings for whom he is responsible. He wants to take time specifically to appear to this one person. Yes, one week mortal, and to comfort her and to love her. Yeah, and no point was made about our vicarious ordinances in the temple.

1:49:00 We don't do them in batches, you don't do them in groups. We do them individually and we say their names out loud in the temples for the first time sometimes in Polonia. Yeah, because salvation is an individual work. Absolutely. Absolutely 10. It's always awesome to talk to you brother. Thank you. Bye-bye. I always have so much fun with You. Yep. Yep. Let's do it again before too long. Okay. All right. Yeah, you have the list so whenever you feel the edge, let me know. We got some stuff out there for you folks. You're going to do you're going to the stuff that's coming. So awesome.

1:49:45 All right Ken let's do it again soon. We'll do it. All right. Bye everybody. See you. You're listening to the Mormon Renegade podcast. You're listening to the Mormon Renegade podcast.