Episode #62: The Annotated Version Of The Doctrine & Covenants W/Drew Briney

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Anybody who's anybody in Mormon
fundamentalist, circles knows

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who drew Briny is, he is perhaps
the most prolific Mormon

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fundamentalist author, we have
with his book, Adam, God

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teachings, being one of the
Premier works on that subject on

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this episode Drew and I have a
conversation about his latest

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project which could be his, most
ambitious, and important work

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today, it is an annotated
version of the Doctrine and

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Covenants.
Now, the Doctrine and Covenants

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is is the most unique book
certainly in with, in all of

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Christendom and maybe even
religion as a whole.

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No other said, the scripture has
the Lord speaking.

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So clearly, as the Doctrine and
Covenants, does Drew, and I

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discuss what his inspiration for
this project was, what he's

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learned in doing the research
for this book and how this

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version of the Doctrine and
Covenants is laid out.

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And finally, what you can do to
get your hands on a copy of that

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that's next on this episode of
the Mormon, Renegade podcast,

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The DNC is perhaps one of the
most unique books in all of

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religious scripture, we hear the
voice of the Lord.

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So clearly in it, it allows us
to jump back in time and see the

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progression of Mormon theology.
However, sometimes we're still

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left with questions as we try to
consider and get in the minds of

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those early leaders.
As we read these Revelations,

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well, the help us with that and
get back to the original intent.

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Drew brownies latest project,
the annotated version of the

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Doctrine and Covenants will be
an invaluable tool with this

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version.
You'll be able to see the

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original as Well, as current
versions of the revelations with

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each Revelation, you will also
be able to see what those early

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church leaders thought on the
principles of each Revelation.

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Now, whether you're seeking to
gain greater insights into the

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Doctrine and Covenants, or
you're just a church history

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buff, this annotated version of
the Doctrine.

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And Covenants is a must-have.
Click the link in this episode

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page to find out how you can get
your hands on a copy today

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Again, thank you for everything
you do as well as for listening

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to the podcast.
You're listening to the Mormon

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Renegade podcast.
Would you have you been man?

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Oh gosh, start off with a hard
question.

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I know, I know, I know, I know.
I mean, you know, I come hard at

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these interviews.
I, you know, other than

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publishing my last book.
It's been, it's been a rough

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last year.
I've got two more books, almost

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published and ready to roll.
So I've been trying to focus on

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that and get moving that
direction.

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But yeah, it's been a rough.
Here.

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How was the reception, huh?
How was the reception of a book?

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I'm the reception's been really,
really good.

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I haven't had a lot.
I've done next to no marketing.

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Okay, which partially is, I
don't even know how to Market at

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this point in time.
I've traditionally all my books

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have been very Mormon
fundamentalist and the last book

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is any mainstream or could enjoy
it, right?

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Know how to Market their?
I don't know what kind of stigma

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my name carries No, just by
showing up, you know.

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So I I've done a little bit of
my traditional marketing, but

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even then I usually just show up
at Benchmark books and person

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saying, hey I've got a boat
there, like great give us some.

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And, you know, and I their
number book stores that are like

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that Donnie confetti.
And in some places I have

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traditionally gone to, but I so
far away best I could do is send

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an email, right?
You know, then I'm ordering the

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books.
It's from Amazon because it

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could can't afford to print and
then they come, then I saw him

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and I mailed them to them and
then you wait for 30 days before

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they pay you.
That's just kind of a Ministry

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goes so.
You know, I'm just now starting

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to get paid for stuff that I
didn't December.

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Uh-huh.
Dude, I'm sorry, which is not a

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bad thing.
It's just right. yeah, I know

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you were talking about, you
know, if your name is Carries

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any stigma.
Here's what I'm starting to

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discover is that there's more
mainstreamers now that are

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listening to podcasts, like this
one that are reading books.

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Like yours, this idea of those
old forgotten teachings, being

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forgotten, starting to go away.
I'll I'll tell him an experience

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here that I had about three
weeks ago. so, I have some

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acquaintances who don't know
that it's me on this podcast

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yet, but we were hanging out
having lunch, and they were kind

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of there was five of us there,
and I was talking to someone

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else, but I could over here
these two and now, these are

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your typical Peter priesthood,
Uber Mormon, you know, LDS

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folks, right?
And he's like, hey, have you

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heard the man?
Renegade podcast.

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Yeah, but I don't let anyone
else know.

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I listen to it.
He's like well, me neither, you

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know, because the guys kind of
an apostate but you know, as a

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guest do have some good valid
points and, you know, yeah.

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It was like oh if only you knew
that's hilarious.

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Yeah.
So I'm getting the feeling in

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like literally 40 percent of my
audience are.

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I cook a A pole once and like
40% of my audience is active LDS

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folks.
So I think that I think shows

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like under the banner of Heaven
shows like profit spray.

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Keep sweet.
No Bay.

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I think those have pushed
fundamentalism and too kind of a

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little more front and center and
some of these doctrines that

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they're hearing about they're
not getting full.

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Context on and it's freaking
them out.

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Yeah.
And I think there's people who

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are looking to see, just how bad
it is blood atonements.

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A big one, right.
People people freaked out right

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after under the banner of
heaven, right?

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Because they're like, what is
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Blood atonement thing you speak
of, and it sounds, it sounds

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scary and mysterious but when
you break it down and you show

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hey it's just capital punishment
inside of a theocracy Well then

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it's a whole lot less scary.
And so what I'm finding is is

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we're almost in kind of a
fundamentalist moment right now

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where we're because of those
shows, we have the ability to

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give answers that a lot of
people aren't going to be able

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to get from their Bishops,
aren't going to be able to get

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from their stake presidents.
And so, I'm the kind of guy that

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I don't necessarily have an axe
to grind with the LDS church.

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I enjoyed my time there and So,
I tend I tend to believe I would

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much rather.
See Mormons even stay in the LDS

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church.
Then I would for them to just go

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full atheist or something like
that, right?

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Yeah.
I've told over the last 30 years

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I've told a number of people.
Just stay with a church.

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Yeah.
Look he denies.

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It's not teaching everything.
I recognize they've changed

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ordinances.
I recognize all things you're

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telling me about but I it's hard
to be fundamentals to.

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Yeah.
From what you're telling me.

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Stay in the church, tell your
solid and you really have the

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gumption to, to want to live
higher principles because it

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living print, the living.
Plural marriage is not for the

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faint of heart.
No concentration is not for the

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faint of heart, United orders,
these type of things are

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difficult.
It's hard and just being without

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a support system, sometimes is
tough.

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Yeah.
Gotta, you know, it's, there's a

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reason to stay in the church and
And hang out with Old Ship Zion.

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Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I yeah.

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Like I said, and Mormons have a
tendency of when they leave the

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LDS church or any Organization
for that matter whether it's

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fundamentalist or not, they
almost always go atheist.

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And I think that a lot of that
has to do with With this idea of

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we've met had such great
promises made to us that maybe

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just you know being a Baptist
and getting just a hangout

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doesn't necessarily appeal the
people.

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And so I've often wondered if
that's maybe why that happens,

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right?
A lot of learning.

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Where do you go?
Right.

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It's just you know I've found in
a disparaging way but I've found

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I've been in fundamentalism.
So long, I have to think about

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really carefully and how many
years.

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But, you know, it's it's been a
good 20, 20 plus years and and

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I've Del Sol into so many deep
doctrines that I can't handle.

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Just sitting and listening to
the same old milk over and over.

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Yeah.
And it's so I enjoyed the

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camaraderie and the spirit in
the LDS church, but the doctors

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are so Basic.
Yeah, my kids are bored and and

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to go from that to Christian
Church which I've also done with

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my kids a few times.
They're just like, Dad, they

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don't know hardly anything.
I mean, they, they know these

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really basic things and they're
excited about it, but they don't

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know.
All of what we know and, and

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yet, it's it's, I can see why
people there like there's

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nowhere to go, right?
Right.

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You know, I think, when you I
think when you leave Mormonism

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there's really no place to go
right other than atheism, right?

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And and it well, I mean,
technically if you believe the

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gospel, if you're leaving
Mormonism, you're losing light

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knowledge.
You're only direction is Son of

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Perdition is MM, you know her,
right?

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I mean you know depending on if
you believe in God or some

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prediction if it's a guy or girl
and all that sort of stuff too.

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But at the end of the day,
you're you, Eating at that

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point.
So it makes you very gonna just

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completely Crash and Burn.
Yep, it's over the years, I've

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had a lot of people tell me, you
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To become atheists to think
what, you know, all that sort of

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stuff.
But at the same time it's you

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know, it's disheartening to hear
sure what book they read.

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I don't like hearing it.
Sure.

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Yeah and I suppose that's the
one good thing about what I deal

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with the podcast but it'd be the
same for a book to write.

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I mean, look, here's a, here's a
truth to that.

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I think stands is that if they
read something like Adam God, or

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if they're listening to My
podcast, you didn't show up here

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just because you bumped into it.
I mean maybe you did but by and

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large your search history, will
probably dictate.

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You were looking for some old
obscure stuff and that's where

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you found me, right?
Or you're hanging out on

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fundamentalist pay, you know,
Facebook groups or whatever.

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So, I don't think that anything
you should beat yourself up

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over, I mean, they obviously,
you know, I think some of them

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obviously went looking for
answers, trying to make sense of

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things.
News.

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But they didn't like the
answers, they found.

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Yeah, so well, and to be honest,
I've got a long history of that.

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The missionaries who taught me?
One of them ended up, writing in

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to a Mormon books, really?
Yeah, I kept asking really tough

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questions.
I, to be fair, you know, the

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missionary discussions, have
like six parts on average and

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you supposed to do all six parts
from like 1 hour setting.

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Yeah, I was doing for our
settings for each of the six

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parts.
So 24 Hours for normal Mission.

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A discussion, it took months to
do them and I asked so many

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tough questions, he just lost
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but, you know, that's well, it
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relate to that giarrusso, Maya
Maya, I feel like even when I

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joined the LDS church, I joined
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roots and let me explain why.
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only 17 when I was starting to
take the Same and my mom had to

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sign little waiver saying it's
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But she's like, she's like
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my house, get that out of the
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So I had to drive out to my now
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Her mom, her and her mom's house
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when my mom started to figure
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Well now it's no longer academic
and now it's you know, things

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are getting real.
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because I want nothing to do
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was just I could tell some
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Things aren't right?
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And so she she tells him about
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excerpts out of the Journal of
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And one of them is Adam God, the
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The other is Blood atonement.
So I'm like well that's

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interesting.
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and I'm like I'm going to show
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if this is legit, right?
That's my first thought and I

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show it to him and you can like
you ever seen a little cartoon

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where someone's head just kind
of goes right and all mushroom

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cloud kind of look like that,
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And they're like I don't know
what you're talking about, let's

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talk to the bishop and the
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of this, I've never even heard
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Let's talk to the stake
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he goes, I've heard of all of it
but I'm not knowledgeable

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enough.
You need to go talk to our state

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patriarch, who was an old farmer
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He knows all this stuff and
that's what I would spend hours

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and hours with him on this
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But yeah, I totally understand
that feeling of just freaking

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out your missionaries, right?
Just because I did it.

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But yeah, it's just it's
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How many people don't know?
All of them?

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I shouldn't say even all of it.
Even a portion of it, right?

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I will say this.
The church them out so badly to

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find out anything, sometimes it
is the missionaries have been

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coming over to my house and I've
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to discussions and some quick
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They're not they're not learning
anything but you know, I wanted

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them to have a different
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sure sometimes Some of the
basics and teaching everything

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you know, right?
And but they come over and talk,

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and I just feel like shoot, you
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derail their mission, right?
I don't want to get them off

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studying stuff that they're
getting them doubting their

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testimony.
Getting too stressed about

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things when you know they can't
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You know, it happens and I've
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really awkward in those
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I don't know.
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amount of follow the spirit.
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Great.
You know but sphere doesn't tell

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you every word to say every
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And so he's not telling you what
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I just keep my mouth shut if you
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rule of thumb.
I can see why folks would be

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freaked out especially by like
Adam God, right?

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Because you're redefining the
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Yeah, he's what they've been
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God is it softens principle of
the Gospel is to know the nature

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of God, right?
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Lectures on faith, 101.
I mean your, yeah, you're

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attacking a really big deal
right there.

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Yeah, exactly.
And and, you know, scripture

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Bears it out, this is life.
Eternal know, the one true God,

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and his son, Jesus Christ, whom
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So it's a pretty big deal and
when that gets when that gets

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rattled, it can be a little
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So, I remember when I first
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trying to do, do the work to
make it all fit because you're

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not one paradigm.
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this other one in your like
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right?
Brigham talked about it at

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length in general conference.
So this idea that he's just

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hypothesizing, doesn't hold
water, knowing who Brigham was

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that definitely wasn't quote,
his idea, right?

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He was obviously shown it by
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to elaborate on it.
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it would be a bit disconcerting.
So In, you know, one of the

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things I really I really tried
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pointing out how much the
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it.
And yeah, for me the thing that

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was so hard about it was just
the church has lied about so

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much this isn't yeah.
You know it.

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Okay, okay, you you're in on the
secret, he actually did teach it

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but he was speculating, like
wait a sec.

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Like I'm kind of past that to
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To lecture the veil and they
were going to excommunicate,

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Orson Pratt and they were going
to excommunicated were bunker

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and there's another guy can't
Anderson, you know, it's like

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this was in speculation and
Brigham taught it almost 100

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times General Conference over
the pulpit in front of all the

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saints.
And said, if you don't believe,

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you don't believe it sooner or
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No.
And I think that was the hardest

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thing for me and and it made me
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But what I found is a lot of
people when they get to that

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space.
Instead of just saying, okay,

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let me let me just see what God
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They're like, wait a second.
I'm I'm mad at the church and

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angry that they're lying and I'm
angry that they're not teaching

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these things and that, it
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the things studying this DNC

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project is.
I've been going and seeing the

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changes is that where made its
kind of emphasized to me how

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much that kind of That that's
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A lot throughout history?
Sure, I think, last time we

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talked, I mentioned Mark chapter
10 where the Pharisees say,

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well, Moses taught divorce, but
what do you say?

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You know, right.
You just don't badmouth most

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that Moses.
He just says Moses gave that to

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you because of the hardness of
your hearts, right?

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He's basically saying he was
authorized to teach false

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Doctrine because you guys are
jerks, right?

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And, and so, I kind of took that
understanding or took the

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position when I Learned about
Adam God teachings, that the

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Brethren took this away for a
reason, right?

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I don't hold to that now.
So much.

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I mean, kind of sort of it, you
know, I was, I was die hard at

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that point, you know, fall on
the brother and all that sort of

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stuff, even if they're even, if
they're teaching, you something

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that was true is now false or
whatever they're doing.

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There's got to be a good reason.
But yeah, I think there's That

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history is a lot more prevalent
in our church that we care to

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admit.
You know, Joseph said I'm going

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to advance from Prophet to
priest and King Engine firings.

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Going to be the new president of
the church.

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And then, you know, he right?
He writes in his, in his

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journal, I had to go back and on
preach the sermon.

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I preached this morning.
Yeah, nevermind.

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Just kidding.
I will say the president of the

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church, right?
Right.

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I think you bring up a really
good point that that these are

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Our doctrines to wrestle with,
right?

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And we all, I think have to come
to that moment, where we become

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like Jacob, where we wrestle
with an Angel, so to speak,

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right?
Where we have to wrestle with

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these things a little bit.
I think there's a reason that

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the scripture in the New
Testament rings.

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So true work out your own
salvation with fear and

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trembling before the Lord.
I think that that's, that's part

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of it is.
Yeah.

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Learning these things and then
being able to live them and to

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and I'm not just talking plural
marriage.

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I mean, plural marriages is
small part of the restored

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gospel and important partially
doctrinally speaking.

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Yeah, Yeah.
An important part, but yet just

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a part, right?
And, and so, yeah, we're

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wrestling with these doctrines
while I believe it's healthy,

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and I believe it makes you
strong.

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Anger in the end, you have to be
willing to be in some

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uncomfortable positions.
Yeah.

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So if I could, if I could segue
that a little bit, I was just

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reading.
I think it was the introduction

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to the, the 1836 times and
seasons.

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Printings of the, of the DNC, I
can't promise, it's not up in

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front of me.
But Oliver cowdery was

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commenting on some of the
changes that have been made to

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earlier editions of the DNC and
he said, They were not a little

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surprised at some of the
differences we found and he

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doesn't say so.
But there are some there were

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some very significant doctrinal
changes that were made in

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revised in the later.
Editions of the DNC, during what

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will Joseph was alive.
One of them I thought was

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especially interesting and let
me see if I could pull it up

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super fast.
I can't promise, but I'll give

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it a shot here.
Drew before we dive headlong

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into that, I do want to point
out.

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I do want to kind of mention
here that that the reason you're

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on is to talk about your latest
project.

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Can you fill us in a little bit
on what that is?

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Yeah.
I'm not going to, I'm not

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finding it.
I thought I'd find it pretty

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fast.
Okay, so bother briefly to so I

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don't I don't completely glitch
and sorry, I'm just I'm kind of

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that way the the chain one of
the changes changes the

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punctuation.
So that it said, it's basically

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talking about Lucifer and Satan,
Lucifer was in the bosom of the

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father.
And the punctuation changed it

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with very deliberate,
parentheses to say, Jesus was

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the one who is in the bosom of
the father, but that clearly

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wasn't the original intent and
it got changed to come later.

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That's you're talking about
wrestling with Doctrine and like

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how do I reconcile this whole?
Let's put parentheses here and

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I'll make it more clear what I
believe is true you know?

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But that's not what it's saying
so it is.

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Anyway, I'll throw that aside.
So this project What is it?

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How did it start just kind of
vaguely all of that?

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So You know, years ago, I was in
Richard night.

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So, Hoffs apples, holds apples,
DNC class like this is like 100

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years ago, when I was in college
and he brought out the poetic

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version of the Doctrine and
Covenants, 76, and in I was just

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in awe, I loved it.
I was so excited to read this.

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I'm like this is Jose
You know, I was really exciting

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to me because it but at that
point I dread the tea PJs.

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And, you know, that's all the
Joseph ever said right.

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It had that impression even
after being the church for many

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years that, you know, that was
the end-all be-all.

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And and so I think it was a
hundred and eighty fifth

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anniversary of DNC 76.
It's my son's birthday and I was

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kind of, kind of looking through
it and I just thought, You know,

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this LDS scripture citation
index is amazing.

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I can go through and find
everything the prophets have

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ever said about the in c76.
I mean that's not totally true,

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but considering most of the
talks were printed in the JD

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your CD.
You know, that's generally the

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squares of collected discourses
from you.

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Don't know that that's almost
everything that was said you can

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still find some other stuff and
you get 99% of it for The most

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part for and I'm talking early
better than I don't care what

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happened after 1919.
When Joseph F Smith died, I just

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don't care about anything after
that.

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They were unpretending, not
preaching.

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And so, I'm just not interested
in that.

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So I just thought I want to know
everything that they taught

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about this, right?
So and I'd already started

447
00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:02,700
working on comparing
line-by-line, the differences

448
00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:06,500
between the poetic version and
the original or the deep in

449
00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:12,100
modern DNC but I thought I would
compare It to the original DNC

450
00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:14,600
not like not the modern one
that's had changes.

451
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,600
I want to see comparing what
Joseph changed person is what

452
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,900
Joseph wrote, right?
So I went I got the original

453
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,900
First printing of DNC 76 and put
modern versus in it and line by

454
00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:32,200
line compared it for this, you
know, for the study.

455
00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:39,900
And then I got excited and I
thought, gosh, I'm so verbose,

456
00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:41,900
I'm sorry.
So then I started getting

457
00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:46,000
excited and I was like, okay,
what if I cross-referenced each

458
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,600
of these good quotes for, you
know, because sometimes they're

459
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,800
just saying, oh I love DNC 76,
it's such a great work and

460
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,200
that's all they say.
Say, so there's no use in citing

461
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,400
that anywhere.
What if I take all the good ones

462
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,100
and I cross-referencing, I can
look it up anytime I want.

463
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,900
That would be awesome.
So, so I started working on

464
00:29:01,900 --> 00:29:03,900
that.
And then, the more I started

465
00:29:03,900 --> 00:29:05,800
doing that, unlike some of,
these are way better than

466
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,300
others.
So I'm highlighting those, you

467
00:29:07,300 --> 00:29:11,200
know, in that start in my
personal version in and then I

468
00:29:11,208 --> 00:29:15,500
start looking at, at a deeper
and I'm like, wow, so, you know

469
00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:18,300
they're commenting about this
but Joseph's poetic version says

470
00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:21,200
this other thing and together
that implicates this new

471
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,100
doctrine us It's just getting
more and more excited.

472
00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:29,100
And I finally thought I'm just
going to publish this as its own

473
00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:31,500
book.
I think with all the commentary

474
00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:35,000
at the early Brethren and a
textual analysis of changes you

475
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,400
know and in the DNC 76 poetic
version all the sort of stuff,

476
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,800
it'll make a great book.
And so I just started kind of

477
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:50,200
preparing them and And I was, I
was pretty excited about it and

478
00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:55,600
my Bishop at the time, talked to
me and he said, Drew, we need

479
00:29:55,900 --> 00:29:58,900
this.
The scriptures command us to

480
00:29:58,900 --> 00:30:04,000
revise and print the scriptures
and we've never done.

481
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:09,200
This, fundamentalism has been
around about 100 years and who

482
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,700
is printed a new version of the
Doctrine and Covenants.

483
00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:13,200
What about the unpublished
revelations?

484
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,200
What about all these things?
Like yeah I thought all those

485
00:30:15,300 --> 00:30:20,000
Things too, but I don't have the
resources to pull that off, you

486
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,800
know?
And he said, well, let me ask

487
00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:27,000
higher-ups, you know, and he
did, they basically blew it off.

488
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,600
And I was, I was pretty
disheartened by that not because

489
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,300
I didn't take it personal.
I was like, oh, they don't want

490
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:37,600
me to do it.
I was like, are you kidding me?

491
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:43,000
You know, here we profess that
this is life itself.

492
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,000
I mean, the gospel is life.
That's where we're willing to

493
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,600
risk persecution.
We're willing to risk prison.

494
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,500
We're willing to risk losing our
jobs.

495
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:55,100
Our our reputations, everything
is on the line when you're

496
00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:58,000
pulling a mist, and this is back
before the law changed, even,

497
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:04,600
you know, and I'm looking at
this thinking, Do we really give

498
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,800
a frog's hair about our
religion?

499
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,900
If we're not even willing to
print the scriptures, like even

500
00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:16,000
reprinted in 1835 and put new
footnotes or something?

501
00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:19,400
I mean, I mean we don't care
enough to even find the freaking

502
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:24,500
project of this this level.
And I was really kind of

503
00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:27,900
disgusted.
Honestly, I was I was just like,

504
00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:33,800
Why does nobody care?
You know, and I had a bit of a

505
00:31:33,808 --> 00:31:37,400
myopic, you know, I'm in a group
and they're the best group and

506
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,200
all that sort of stuff.
And I still think you know,

507
00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:46,700
highly of the people there, but
II was just kind of disheartened

508
00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:48,900
and I just thought I'll do it on
my own.

509
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,900
We'll see how long it takes and
but I'm just going to do it.

510
00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:55,300
The ones I'm most interested in.
I'm going to do DNC before I'm

511
00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:57,600
going to begin c88.
I'm going to DNC 101.

512
00:31:57,900 --> 00:32:03,300
I'm going to do DNC one. 32.
And and so anyway, so I finished

513
00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:06,300
going through 1500
cross-references and it all the

514
00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:08,800
references in the scriptures and
all the ones in the JD and all

515
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,600
the tpg ass and all the CD and I
had them all formatted and I put

516
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,800
them in PDF format by put it
online for free.

517
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:22,100
And that websites dead still but
I'm still offering them for free

518
00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:25,400
but but I did that and I just
kind of Let It Go and I started

519
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:31,400
doing my own studies so I was
talking to Sean Anderson about

520
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,900
Dean C-130 27, the one-man
Doctrine stuff and he's the

521
00:32:36,900 --> 00:32:42,800
true, you know, the in C-130 27
has been misinterpreted.

522
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,900
It doesn't mean that one man
isn't at all and he kind of gave

523
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:48,800
me this whole Spiel, you know,
and Centennial Park broke up

524
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,500
with flds because the 1880
Revelation clarified, didn't

525
00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:53,800
C-130 27, tell me all this
stuff.

526
00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:57,600
And I'm listening to him.
I'm like, that's all really

527
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,700
interesting, you know, and and
makes a lot of sense, I said,

528
00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:04,200
but if that was true and I
promise, this is actually

529
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,200
answering a question, this is
how the project got started.

530
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:12,400
I said, if that's true, the
original commas would be and I'm

531
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,300
kind of visually drawing in the
air, they would be here.

532
00:33:14,300 --> 00:33:18,300
And here, you know, and I'm on
the page here in here or here

533
00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:21,500
and here, and that would support
your interpretation of what

534
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:25,300
you're telling me.
This means And I said, it'll be

535
00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:29,300
even better for use parentheses
and is the, but to be fair, the

536
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:32,800
early brother and almost never
use a parentheses as a

537
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,900
typesetting thing.
They, you know, it's easier to

538
00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:38,600
make a comma and then use more
frequently and parentheses are

539
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,600
specialized thing.
You can only have so many in an

540
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,800
article and so they're just
didn't use them very much.

541
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,200
But that would be really more
compelling to me if the original

542
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,800
have heard since they're, you
know.

543
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,200
So, you know, we finish our
discussion, it was a friendly

544
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,600
discussion.
Russian and I went, and I got

545
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,700
online.
Well, first of all, I opened up

546
00:33:57,700 --> 00:34:00,500
my Joseph Smith papers and I'm
like, okay, I've got all the

547
00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:03,100
revelations, where's his 132?
And it's not there.

548
00:34:04,100 --> 00:34:10,400
And I'm like, man, red tape,
always put towards projects.

549
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,900
Where's the in C-130 to, you
know, that will publish it at a

550
00:34:13,908 --> 00:34:16,699
future time.
Well why?

551
00:34:16,699 --> 00:34:19,000
You know why?
Why is another anyway?

552
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,800
They had it online.
So I was like awesome.

553
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,400
So I copied and pasted it.
Plugged it in and put all the

554
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,100
modern versus numbers in it and
everything.

555
00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:30,500
And I started doing the same
study again.

556
00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:33,000
And I'm not thinking, I'm
publishing this and stuff at

557
00:34:33,007 --> 00:34:36,199
this time, I'm just like this is
what I'm doing, you know, and

558
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:38,900
guess what?
I was shocked but there were

559
00:34:38,900 --> 00:34:42,900
parentheses right where I was
talking about it really and he

560
00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:48,000
was saying this what it's what
it's really saying here is that

561
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,400
it DNC 132 5 says if anybody
wants a blessing at my hand

562
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:58,200
hands then you know you have to
obey abide by the law.

563
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,800
Well what does that sound like
if you want Jesus to ratify your

564
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,400
second anointing, I'm going to
tell you how to do it.

565
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,800
That's what DNC 132 is about,
right?

566
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:15,900
And in at any rate and then he's
saying in verse 7, you know, I

567
00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:20,500
only give this part of one
person at a time and Sean

568
00:35:20,500 --> 00:35:23,400
saying, that what that means is
you're always supposed to.

569
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,300
The Snick an anointing to one
person at one meeting at the

570
00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:27,900
time.
And here's Wilfred woodruff's

571
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:31,800
Journal which I had already read
was very aware of and other

572
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,900
places where that that's how
they did it.

573
00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:37,300
You know, the highest ordinance
must be given to one man at a

574
00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:41,700
time and sit, you know, then if
they give to in a day they have

575
00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:43,000
to do.
It's like repeating all that

576
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,800
sort of stuff.
So I'm like that on makes a lot

577
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,600
of sense.
And I'm reading one, 31, 32

578
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:53,200
verse 5, and he says, if anybody
wants a blessing at my hands and

579
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,500
And you know, the spirit is hit
me.

580
00:35:56,500 --> 00:35:59,700
I was like, DMC, 132 is not
about plural marriage.

581
00:36:00,300 --> 00:36:01,700
That's a subset of what it's
about.

582
00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:06,100
It's about the sealing power and
how to get the Savior to lay his

583
00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:08,200
hands upon your head and ratify
your second night.

584
00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:12,400
And I was super excited about it
and I thought I can't teach this

585
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,100
to anybody because I'm a 12-9 12
says.

586
00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:17,700
I mean, you're given to know the
mysteries of God.

587
00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:19,900
Never less than a late on a
strict man, only to impart,

588
00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:22,400
according to the word or the
teachings of the Brethren.

589
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,700
Whatever, that's given and
nobody's teaching that.

590
00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:28,400
So I can't teach it, and I was
so frustrated.

591
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:33,900
So, I continued studying and as
I did, I found Brigham Young's

592
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:36,900
introduction to 132 which
shockingly had never seen

593
00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:38,700
before.
And guess what?

594
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:41,500
Bring me.
Says he doesn't say hey, this

595
00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:44,200
Revelation from Joseph is about
plural marriage and we're going

596
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,700
to teach it.
And Orson Pratt is is repentance

597
00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:49,300
for teaching against plural.
Marriage gets to read it to you.

598
00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:51,800
You know, that's kind of how
it's usually portrayed.

599
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,200
That's not all how it went down.
He said this and I don't I don't

600
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,000
have it in front of me, but he
said this section of the

601
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,400
Doctrine and Covenants is
teaching, a man, how to be

602
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,200
exalted the path to exultation.
Wow.

603
00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:13,400
And then I I reread DNC 132
again from from how the spirit

604
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,700
was teaching me and it's about
the steaming power, it's about

605
00:37:15,700 --> 00:37:18,000
the second meeting, it's about
the abrahamic, Covenant.

606
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,000
It's not just plural marriage as
talks about polyandry.

607
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,600
It talks about Emma's test and
it talks about the sealing

608
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,400
power.
It talks about adultery, it

609
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,500
talks about, all sorts of things
that aren't plural marriage.

610
00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:34,800
It talks about, you know, Jesus
is literally saying I haven't

611
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,800
Pointed you Joseph a 40 45
somewhere around there.

612
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,300
He says I'm the one who played
my hands upon your head and

613
00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:44,600
sealed unto you this power, you
know.

614
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,000
So there's a lot more going on
here than just a revelation

615
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:54,600
about marriage and And so I was
like, wow, there's a lot more

616
00:37:54,700 --> 00:37:58,900
here, studying this from an
early brother and perspective

617
00:37:59,100 --> 00:38:02,100
than our scriptures have any
addition.

618
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,800
And I'm studying this stuff all
the time from a different

619
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,900
perspective.
But I'm thinking, how are my

620
00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:10,800
kids going to learn any of this
stuff without doing kind of

621
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,100
research.
I've done.

622
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:18,000
You know, I'm 30 years into it
and and how do I get that to my

623
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,800
kids?
You know, how do I teach How do

624
00:38:20,808 --> 00:38:22,200
I get them excited about?
I don't know.

625
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,400
You need that stuff.
I mean, and so the more I

626
00:38:26,408 --> 00:38:31,400
thought about it, I just thought
somebody needs to do an updated

627
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:37,100
Doctrine and Covenants where you
have the original Text which has

628
00:38:37,100 --> 00:38:38,700
its own problems.
I can talk about it a little

629
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:41,500
later, but in the original text
with modern versus.

630
00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:45,500
So when somebody Church Sedin
c76 20 bucks says this, when you

631
00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:48,000
open it up and you're like, oh
gee, I don't know how to respond

632
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,000
to that.
You know, that you get the

633
00:38:49,008 --> 00:38:51,500
original text and got commentary
from your brother and tell you

634
00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:54,700
what they thought about it.
It's you know, you have an

635
00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:58,900
answer, you have resources, you
have you know, something that

636
00:38:58,900 --> 00:39:05,500
you can do doctrinally to be
strong and and who's done that

637
00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:08,600
who Where's this volume?
You know what?

638
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,500
It's not there but then I'm like
I've already done that for DNC

639
00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:17,500
76 and on average, if you look
at the other scripture citation

640
00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:22,900
index DNC, 76 has six to seven
times more comments on it, from

641
00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:25,100
the early brother and it was
addressed six to seven times

642
00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:28,200
more frequently than the, the
average section of Doctrine

643
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,800
comments, 84 and 88 come right.
After it the inseam, 132 is kind

644
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,500
of a distant fourth 10 ones,
close to the middle and then the

645
00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:39,800
run some We're there.
So, the other ones would be a

646
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,800
breeze compared to 76, I'm
right?

647
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:50,600
I'm 1500 cross-references deep,
Indian c76 and I've got it all

648
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,800
done.
Except for, I have to get my

649
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,900
general discourse out, read it
then put it back, you know, then

650
00:39:57,900 --> 00:40:01,200
go back and read it and then
grab another one, you know, now

651
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:06,300
like this is really clunky.
What people need is to have it.

652
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:14,800
Those sections pulled out
printed Next to their DN C so

653
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,400
they can compare right.
That's that's right.

654
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,300
And so I thought man, that's
that book.

655
00:40:20,300 --> 00:40:23,500
I wanted to write for DNC 76 and
that's, you know, that's honking

656
00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:26,300
huge.
It's really, really big but

657
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:29,700
that's really what that's really
that's really what needs to be

658
00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:34,300
done and so it kind of it was
just involving this way with me

659
00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:36,600
is I'm studying and I'm like,
oh, that would be cool.

660
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:42,400
And so I use a software called
Scrivener and the cool thing

661
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,300
about Scribner, and I've been
doing this for my Sunday

662
00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:48,400
schools, with my kids for years
and years is, I have the four

663
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,100
gospels, which is what I do for
Sunday school homeless, don't

664
00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:54,900
time.
And I'm reading a mark and I'm,

665
00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:59,100
you know, here's the story.
I have a link on top of it that

666
00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:03,100
get that goes straight to Mark
and Luke and sometimes John

667
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:07,400
telling the same story, so then
I can compare and it does a

668
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,100
little pop-up note.
So I'm reading about Work, you

669
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:14,200
know, teaching something I click
the link and loop pops up and I

670
00:41:14,207 --> 00:41:17,700
can read the same story in Luke
and then close it out.

671
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,500
And I also do the gospel
nazarenes in the gospel of

672
00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:22,200
chirality in the Gospel of
Thomas.

673
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,200
And you know I've got those
other resources there that you

674
00:41:25,207 --> 00:41:28,600
know the infancy narratives and
you know that sort of stuff all

675
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,700
Linked In My database so that I
can quickly just pull up what it

676
00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:33,900
is.
And I've got Joseph Smith's

677
00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:38,600
Interlinear additions into
modern translations for all

678
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,200
sorts of reasons.
Why.

679
00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:42,400
Beyond the scope of this.
I hate King James version.

680
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,500
My don't hate it.
But I mean, William, tyndale's

681
00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:49,500
one of my heroes but it's awful.
It's hard to read it confuses

682
00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:51,200
people.
It makes it difficult for kids

683
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,600
to read and it's the most
corrupt of all the versions on

684
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,400
the planet in any scholar.
Who's bothered to look into?

685
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,700
It knows this.
And and so I've Interlinear

686
00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:05,900
Joseph strands mistranslation
stuff that he put into new

687
00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:09,200
translations, so that it's
congruent and that's our stuff.

688
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:13,800
So anyway, That's a total of
side but I use this in my

689
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,500
studies and super helpful.
I love it because I can, you

690
00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:19,800
know, and I thought why don't I
do this with the Doctrine and

691
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:25,000
Covenants.
So I'm reading in DNC 76 and I

692
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,500
click on a button and it pops up
the parallel section in the

693
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:34,200
poetic version instead of having
to just scroll and read put

694
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,700
aggression and scroll back.
You know what if I just linked

695
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:39,300
it's a boom.
Boom, you know so I can

696
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:42,200
literally Say.
Okay, this is the section on

697
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,300
Lucifer's fall from Heaven and I
click on the poetic version it

698
00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:48,700
pops up and I can compare side
by side and then I can close it

699
00:42:48,700 --> 00:42:52,100
out and then I can click on this
and it gives me commentary from

700
00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:54,900
the early Brethren.
And by the way, I've marked the

701
00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:57,000
differences from the poetic
version so they're bold and

702
00:42:57,008 --> 00:43:01,600
italicize so you can see what
was added and changed and you

703
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,700
know, that would be awesome.
And I thought all that sounds

704
00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:10,200
exhausting much work, you know,
every single thing you like,

705
00:43:10,300 --> 00:43:14,500
Okay, double click that insert
link link to the document and

706
00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:17,000
you got to go through 12
subsections to find the right

707
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,100
place in the output link it
together.

708
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,800
Got to test it later.
It's so much work.

709
00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:27,500
It just sounds.
And I just thought it's you know

710
00:43:27,900 --> 00:43:30,600
I'm not going to do that.
That's going to be a thousand

711
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,400
hours of work and I'm going to
get paid five bucks book.

712
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,100
You know, heard ebook.
You know.

713
00:43:37,700 --> 00:43:40,900
So at any rate, the more I
thought about it. it the more I

714
00:43:40,908 --> 00:43:48,000
started seeing value in what I
was doing and thinking, This has

715
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,200
to be, this has to be put out
for, for Mass consumption, you

716
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,100
know?
And I'd love to Joseph Smith

717
00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:57,900
papers.
I love what they're doing, but,

718
00:43:57,900 --> 00:44:00,800
you know, to really get the most
value out of what they're doing.

719
00:44:01,300 --> 00:44:04,100
You have to put an enormous
amount of you own time and

720
00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:08,500
research to appreciate what
they're providing for us.

721
00:44:08,700 --> 00:44:11,900
You know?
Yeah, I remember when I first

722
00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:15,700
read the Joseph Smith
translation in the are L DS

723
00:44:15,700 --> 00:44:17,600
version is on.
Interim.

724
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,200
Like, you know, I saw all these
footnotes for with these GST and

725
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,600
I would go back and forth and
that week main text, read the

726
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,500
foot back and forth, but it
wasn't till I just read it all

727
00:44:26,500 --> 00:44:32,500
together that it really came
alive, you know, and and it's

728
00:44:32,500 --> 00:44:34,900
the same way with Adam God
teaching.

729
00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:38,200
So I was like, wow, this seems
to be teaching this doctor, but

730
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,600
I don't have to quotes.
You know that after I organized

731
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,800
everything together, put it
together on that section like

732
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,400
they're 25 quotes, holy cow.
And then when you Read it all

733
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,200
together.
You have a deeper understanding

734
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,400
when you ever had, you read all
of it before, but putting it all

735
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:54,600
together.
You make connections, you

736
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,500
weren't making before, and I
just realized, if I did this

737
00:44:58,500 --> 00:45:03,300
with a Doctrine covenants, for
all of the modern Revelation and

738
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:08,000
unpublished Revelations which
they're about 60, you know, that

739
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,600
aren't in the DNC that could
have been in the DNC.

740
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,700
That would just be a
life-changer resource for people

741
00:45:15,700 --> 00:45:20,500
to have absolutely.
And at any rate in in the

742
00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:24,400
meantime I'm doing a project
where I can parent tpg, S&W

743
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,500
Jeff, side-by-side marking all
the changes preparing for a

744
00:45:27,508 --> 00:45:30,700
volume like that.
And so as I'm going into that

745
00:45:30,700 --> 00:45:34,100
database and I'm reading, here's
a teepee Jess quote.

746
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:36,600
That goes with Dean's T 76
because that's what I'm working

747
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,900
on, right.
It's such an enormous job.

748
00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:42,800
Just that one section so now I'm
reading that but then I see

749
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,800
Words of Joseph Smith changing,
it's actually the way around T,

750
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,600
PJ s changed from the wgs but
I'm seeing the differences in

751
00:45:50,607 --> 00:45:55,400
the changes in all of these
connections just all in one spot

752
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,700
so I could just see, okay, this
is what Joseph said, this is how

753
00:45:59,700 --> 00:46:03,400
they changed it to the tpg is
this is where the pbjs used to

754
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,700
be commentating on DNC 76.
Pronounces.

755
00:46:05,700 --> 00:46:08,100
Some little bit different.
You know, putting it all

756
00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:10,000
together in one spot.
One resource where it's

757
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,600
literally click a footnote.
Pop It Up, close it.

758
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,100
And Back and forth, super easy,
it's invaluable.

759
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:21,600
And and I see us a little said I
write books that I want to read,

760
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,700
but nobody else has written and
in The more I've and that's what

761
00:46:25,700 --> 00:46:28,800
made me write out.
Um got teachings, but the more I

762
00:46:28,808 --> 00:46:32,500
think about this more in like,
yeah, I really want a DNC that's

763
00:46:32,500 --> 00:46:35,000
like this.
I want all the teachings in the

764
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,800
modern Brethren about all the
revelations.

765
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:42,300
We've received all in one volume
easily cross referenced at every

766
00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:44,900
level.
And in.

767
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,600
And then whenever I really
started becoming committed to

768
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,000
that, I just thought I can't do
this by myself.

769
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,800
You know, I can do all the work.
Lord knows it's a ridiculous

770
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,200
amount of work, I think and I
haven't kept strict track of it,

771
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,700
but I honestly think I've at
least put in 200 hours into the

772
00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:10,700
in c76 and I'm 80% through and
to be fair I did it the most

773
00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:13,600
inefficient awfullest way I
could possibly Do it in

774
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,000
hindsight but I did it first for
that reason as well.

775
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,300
I knew if I tackled the NC 76
and I did Sub sub headers and

776
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:25,100
subsections and I did all the
cross-referencing and I've

777
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:26,300
labeled the different
references.

778
00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:29,200
I marked them all differently
but I did all this stuff that I

779
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,600
would realize the most efficient
way to do it.

780
00:47:31,900 --> 00:47:34,000
And then all the rest of this,
the work would for the other

781
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,700
sections, will be way easier.
And I was, right?

782
00:47:36,700 --> 00:47:41,400
I pretty much now.
Finished the DNC, seventh

783
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,700
period, the formatting and every
all the functionality of it,

784
00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:47,100
it's down now, just plug and
play on a couple cross

785
00:47:47,100 --> 00:47:50,900
references on doing now but I
know how to do the whole

786
00:47:50,900 --> 00:47:55,200
project.
Now way more efficiently and and

787
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,400
you know, so I won't be so slow
on the rest of us what it boils

788
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,600
down to.
That's awesome.

789
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:08,100
And, you know, I think the DNC
is such a unique book of

790
00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:13,700
scripture in any religion,
because it's the one place where

791
00:48:13,700 --> 00:48:20,600
you get this feeling of a
one-on-one with the Lord, right?

792
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,500
Yeah.
Joseph has a question.

793
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,500
He takes it to the Lord, the
Lord response.

794
00:48:25,700 --> 00:48:31,000
So you hear the actual voice of
the Lord through the whole

795
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,800
thing, right?
Which is unique for scripture

796
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:38,800
because normally scripture also
has peppered in their personal

797
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,300
accounts, and personal feelings
and of the author.

798
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,400
And this is, this is a little
different.

799
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,100
So the Valuable this of, and I
don't know if that's a word, but

800
00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:55,600
it is, now is what coin it is.
It's huge because again, it's

801
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,600
almost entirely the Lord's
voice.

802
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,900
The other thing that I would say
is what you're talking about

803
00:49:01,900 --> 00:49:04,400
with the commentary of that
those early Brethren.

804
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,500
That's huge, right?
Because these are men who knew

805
00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:14,200
Joseph Smith, these are men who
were his contemporaries as far

806
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,600
as time goes.
Where Where they would get the

807
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,300
Revelation and then they could
go to Joseph and be like,

808
00:49:20,300 --> 00:49:23,000
explain this to me and then he
could do that.

809
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,700
So, I'm a guy that believes that
the waters are usually purest at

810
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:28,100
their Source.
Yeah.

811
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:31,900
Right.
And so, if that's the case, they

812
00:49:31,900 --> 00:49:36,800
may have carried around the
knowledge of that with the

813
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,400
assumption that, oh, everyone
will always know this, right?

814
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,600
Well, I'll teach our kids kids
this and, and through time, it's

815
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:48,400
the old telephone game.
By the time we get to 2023, it

816
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:53,700
doesn't resemble anything white
like they'd said before we go

817
00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:59,000
too much, further, explain to us
exactly how it was the DNC was

818
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,400
compiled because I think that
sheds a lot of light on things.

819
00:50:05,700 --> 00:50:09,500
Well, you know, in that changed
over the years.

820
00:50:10,100 --> 00:50:15,300
So I can't claim to be the
perfect.

821
00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:20,000
Historian to go into the all of
the origins is my my focus has

822
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:25,500
been doctoral, doctrinal,
textual analysis, but that I can

823
00:50:25,500 --> 00:50:27,400
say, a few things that I think
are helpful.

824
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:36,600
First of all, you know, in we
see in the doctrine, Kevin's we

825
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,000
see God, commanding Joseph
print, the Book of Mormon print,

826
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,400
this print that you know make
this Proclamation, send it out

827
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,500
to these people, you know
whatever he's receiving, these

828
00:50:45,500 --> 00:50:52,100
Revelations to print stuff and
The, the church was growing so

829
00:50:52,100 --> 00:50:56,400
quickly that the people needed
to, they needed to see the

830
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,400
guidance that Joseph was getting
and so he decides, okay, we're

831
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,400
going to publish these in wasn't
time to see somebody's evening

832
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:08,000
Morning Star.
So the first publication was

833
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,600
really kind of a radical form.
Here's some, here's some

834
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,200
sections.
Your some more sections and

835
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,100
that's that sort of stuff.
The punctuation on.

836
00:51:17,100 --> 00:51:20,100
The original manuscripts is
almost non-existent and

837
00:51:20,100 --> 00:51:26,400
sometimes the there are no
brakes, they used capitalization

838
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,400
for to emphasize things.
So you can't rely on a

839
00:51:29,408 --> 00:51:36,400
capitalized word to start a
sins, and it was really quite

840
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,900
messy.
And so, you know, then they

841
00:51:38,900 --> 00:51:43,000
said, well, we need to, we need
to touch these up and make the

842
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,200
book of commandments.
So, you know, they did that.

843
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,600
And that's got its own big, long
story, but they continue to

844
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,000
receive Revelations and some
people are like Joseph, should

845
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,600
we print this or not print this?
And and you know, is it going to

846
00:51:55,607 --> 00:51:58,800
be informal printing or not a
formal Printing and that that

847
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,600
sort of thing?
And so they went through a

848
00:52:01,607 --> 00:52:05,400
period of time and it's really
not that long I think it's

849
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:10,600
somewhere between 1835 and 1840.
You know that's a really

850
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,900
dramatic.
Big historical change of what's

851
00:52:13,900 --> 00:52:15,100
happening during that period of
time.

852
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:20,900
It's only five years But they
have some other people printing

853
00:52:22,500 --> 00:52:26,500
the these Revelations and that's
what Allah has mentioned

854
00:52:26,500 --> 00:52:27,800
earlier.
Oliver cowdery was kind of

855
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,900
dismayed and I don't know who
all was doing.

856
00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:34,400
Why I'm just going through and
in monitoring, I'm literally

857
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:40,600
reading DNC 76 verses 15 and I
read the original handwritten

858
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,400
messy, you know, all that sort
of stuff.

859
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:47,800
And I compared the the evening
Morning Star and then I Read the

860
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,200
book of Commandments and then
revised book of Commandments and

861
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:55,000
the other printings Oliver.
Cowdery is version 1840 and the

862
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,500
final evening morning, start
than 1844 version.

863
00:52:57,900 --> 00:53:00,600
So roughly seven versions for
most of the sections, dr.

864
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,900
Cummings, I'm reading it five
verses of time and looking at

865
00:53:03,900 --> 00:53:06,400
the changes that are made and
then I go to the next section.

866
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:11,600
So historically speaking, I
don't know, all the ins and outs

867
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:17,000
of why each was the way it was.
I'm just looking at what

868
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:24,500
Happened in documenting it.
And honestly, I finished I put a

869
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:26,400
post on this on my Facebook
thing.

870
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:32,400
I was like I went through 1500
cross-references of DNC 76.

871
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:37,200
Read each one wrote down to the
column of where they're at in

872
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,500
the Journal of discourses that
they're easy to find and in

873
00:53:40,500 --> 00:53:42,600
organized all of them in sub
headers.

874
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,500
So some across references, are
there instead of each verse I've

875
00:53:45,500 --> 00:53:48,100
done all this tricky stuff.
And now, I'm looking at the

876
00:53:48,100 --> 00:53:50,100
changes made in these seven
different versions.

877
00:53:50,100 --> 00:53:52,800
I feel like I learned more from
that.

878
00:53:53,700 --> 00:53:56,200
Then I learned from all the 1500
cross-references.

879
00:53:57,300 --> 00:54:00,400
I don't think that would be the
case for most people could

880
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,400
because I just already studied a
lot of those JD quotes.

881
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,200
But I was, I was shocked,
honestly, it's so many of the

882
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:13,300
changes that I saw It during
Joseph's Life Time To those

883
00:54:13,300 --> 00:54:18,800
Revelations, and I think, I'm
just seeing those documenting.

884
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,700
Those understanding, those is
key to seeing what was going on

885
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,600
then and why they interpreted it
the way they did.

886
00:54:29,900 --> 00:54:36,100
I think that's that's, that's
Super significant to anybody

887
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,800
who's really looking saying.
What did Joseph really teach?

888
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:44,800
You know, because I listened to
a general conference talk today

889
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:49,200
or Iram reading online usually,
and I see this is what, you

890
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,500
know, Joseph taught this and
like you're taking him out of

891
00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:56,400
context, you know?
And, and you can say, well the

892
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,100
teepee Jesse's this.
And yeah, that was heavily

893
00:54:59,100 --> 00:55:01,000
doctored up.
I'm wasn't that what he said at

894
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,400
all most?
Of it to be feared, most of the

895
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,400
tbs's.
Not like, there are a few places

896
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:12,000
where it was massively changed.
And, and I just, I think the

897
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,700
value of having all that in one
spot, can't be overstated.

898
00:55:16,900 --> 00:55:20,200
It's been an enormous thing from
each other and it's been, it's

899
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,600
been really fun and I feel like
I'm being really inarticulate.

900
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,300
So oh yeah, you're doing this.
No, no, no, no.

901
00:55:27,300 --> 00:55:28,800
You're you're, you're doing just
fine.

902
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:35,800
Don't don't sweat that.
In in your in your research

903
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,800
you're doing all this putting
all these quotes together

904
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,500
getting all this context around
these Revelations.

905
00:55:44,300 --> 00:55:49,600
As you start encountering the
changes, do you get a sense of

906
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:54,100
why things were changed as their
kind of an overarching theme for

907
00:55:54,300 --> 00:55:58,100
for most of these changes or are
you finding that it's really

908
00:55:58,100 --> 00:56:01,800
quite random?
Do you think that these changes

909
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:07,400
are mistakes?
You know, honest mistakes or are

910
00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:10,100
is there something more
nefarious going on?

911
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:14,700
All of the above except
nefarious.

912
00:56:16,700 --> 00:56:21,400
So I think it might be helpful,
just to give a couple examples

913
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:26,200
it and kind of move from there,
okay?

914
00:56:27,700 --> 00:56:31,200
So, first of all there, you
can't find what appear to be.

915
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,100
We can ever be positive, what
appear to be, just human error.

916
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:38,100
There's definitely see that and
you see those getting fixed in

917
00:56:38,100 --> 00:56:40,700
the later additions to which is
really, really nice.

918
00:56:41,900 --> 00:56:46,200
One of the things that's very
consistent is in the 1814 1844

919
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,500
editions.
Well, I don't know if exactly

920
00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:51,700
1840 they were in periodicals
but ish.

921
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,700
I'm just talking ish they got
rid of the Old English.

922
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,700
You know you're not going to
rehear us and break a thin Smite

923
00:57:00,700 --> 00:57:02,800
us and stuff.
It's going to be here break and

924
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,100
smite, you know.
And for that matter Smite would

925
00:57:06,100 --> 00:57:09,800
probably be turned to hit or you
know a snack or something.

926
00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:14,900
They were getting That and I was
so happy to see that with, as

927
00:57:14,900 --> 00:57:18,700
I've got 15 kids, I've had
almost all of my kids read the

928
00:57:18,700 --> 00:57:21,200
book of Mormon before they
turned eight and I've had a

929
00:57:21,207 --> 00:57:24,500
couple of them that are just
like they can't get that old

930
00:57:24,500 --> 00:57:27,600
English.
It's just too hard at that age

931
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,600
to get through the E th every
time you know, right.

932
00:57:32,700 --> 00:57:35,900
And and so I started working on
a 1840 Book of Mormon for my

933
00:57:35,900 --> 00:57:39,100
kids where I got rid of all the
e th and I replaced it with an S

934
00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:43,900
because that's all it really is.
And get got rid of the 1500 and

935
00:57:43,900 --> 00:57:47,200
it came to pass as or however
many there are and they could

936
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,300
eat read it so much easier, you
know?

937
00:57:49,300 --> 00:57:54,500
And and so I think Joseph was
recognizing that as well, and he

938
00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:57,500
was changing that in the doctor
doctor and Covenants, reflects

939
00:57:57,500 --> 00:57:59,800
that, that's one of the changes
that was very clear.

940
00:58:00,100 --> 00:58:02,800
This is what we're doing.
We're modernizing the English,

941
00:58:03,500 --> 00:58:07,500
which I love William Tyndale
when he part when he translated

942
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,100
the Bible, namely the New
Testament.

943
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,600
Greek to English.
He said, I want a version that

944
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:20,300
every plowboy can understand,
right, he wasn't out trying to

945
00:58:20,300 --> 00:58:22,500
make it pretty Pros.
I mean, people talk about it

946
00:58:22,500 --> 00:58:24,600
being pretty Pros.
Now that's just because, you

947
00:58:24,607 --> 00:58:27,400
know, it's like, you know, you
listen to somebody with a French

948
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,500
accent and you're like, oh wow,
that sounds so nice, you know,

949
00:58:30,900 --> 00:58:32,500
that has nothing to do with the
doctrine.

950
00:58:33,100 --> 00:58:36,500
He wanted it simple and easy to
read because that makes it.

951
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:39,900
So you can understand it and
that is a huge priority for me

952
00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:43,400
and I was really Gratified to
see that was apparently a big

953
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,700
deal for Joseph to because T you
changed all of them.

954
00:58:47,300 --> 00:58:52,500
And it was very very consistent.
I think there were some

955
00:58:52,500 --> 00:58:57,200
doctrinal changes that were
showing up because Joseph could

956
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:02,200
reveal a little bit more and
that was kind of surprising to

957
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:09,400
me but I have found some that
the kid can we dive deep?

958
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,700
Can we dive deep into that
first?

959
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,400
A little deeper into that for a
second you said that's where I

960
00:59:15,408 --> 00:59:19,100
get excited.
Okay, you said that, you saw

961
00:59:19,100 --> 00:59:24,200
that, that Joseph saw some areas
where he could expound some more

962
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,400
Doctrine, right?
Yeah.

963
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:32,500
So are you saying that he
receives a revelation and then

964
00:59:33,300 --> 00:59:41,200
he's maybe not not Relaying the
entire Revelation, he's giving.

965
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,200
And then on second thought he's
like, you know, I think they are

966
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,900
ready for that.
Yes, yeah, absolutely.

967
00:59:46,900 --> 00:59:52,000
There's some of that going on.
Okay, so I'll give you a couple

968
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,600
examples in, it might be better
to read Because.

969
00:59:54,700 --> 00:59:57,800
Yeah, let me give you an easy
one first.

970
00:59:57,900 --> 01:00:01,000
Well, we'll softball your your
your audience first.

971
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,700
Okay?
So the first thing that really

972
01:00:03,700 --> 01:00:09,600
surprised me in density Was that
all references to the Holy

973
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,800
Ghost.
We change to the Holy Spirit.

974
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,100
And when I first saw that, I was
like, I wonder if they change

975
01:00:16,100 --> 01:00:18,500
that later versions, you know,
because I'm already seeing a

976
01:00:18,500 --> 01:00:23,300
pattern, right, and they did,
they retained that every time,

977
01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:25,500
it shows up in DNC 76, it was
change from.

978
01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:27,300
Holy Ghost.
The holy spirit in every

979
01:00:27,300 --> 01:00:30,400
instance and it was retained in
the final winner.

980
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,900
Joseph.
Finally oversees the publication

981
01:00:33,900 --> 01:00:36,600
for the last time and he's
carefully looking at these

982
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,900
changes.
Recovery is complaining about,

983
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,500
he retains all of those changes.
Well why does that matter?

984
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:47,500
If, if if your modern mainstream
LDS They Don't Really teach a

985
01:00:47,500 --> 01:00:51,600
difference but it you kind of
get it when people talk about

986
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:57,000
the spirit of Christ, you know,
you get this Doctrine but you

987
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,200
know the early brother pointed
out in the scriptures, people

988
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:01,700
say holy ghost but they mean
Holy Spirit.

989
01:01:01,700 --> 01:01:05,000
They say holy spirit could mean
Holy Ghost and it's just kind of

990
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,600
a mess.
You just have to understand what

991
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,800
the doctrine.
Is to know what they meant and

992
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,700
so you don't receive the Holy
Ghost.

993
01:01:15,100 --> 01:01:18,100
There were clear to say you
received a gift of the Holy

994
01:01:18,100 --> 01:01:19,500
Ghost.
But what they're saying really

995
01:01:19,500 --> 01:01:22,800
is you receive the Holy Spirit,
which is not the Holy Ghost

996
01:01:22,900 --> 01:01:25,600
which is one of those nefarious
ones that you're talking about

997
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,400
maybe.
But I haven't looked at that

998
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:32,000
particular section Doctrine and
Covenants in Joseph's time, but

999
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:36,100
I have looked it over more broad
to Modern time and cash and

1000
01:01:36,100 --> 01:01:38,700
where is it?
Not even remembering which

1001
01:01:38,700 --> 01:01:40,400
section of the Doctrine and
Covenants to this.

1002
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,500
But it says the Holy Ghost is a
personage, write and sing.

1003
01:01:44,500 --> 01:01:46,600
The God is a percentage of body
and spirit.

1004
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,000
And Jesus got about a spirit,
the Holy Ghost is personage of

1005
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:55,200
spirit.
And then the original says, the

1006
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:59,000
Holy Ghost is a personage of
spirit, but he cannot reside in

1007
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:03,000
you.
But the modern versions and I

1008
01:02:03,100 --> 01:02:05,300
think I haven't looked in 1981
version to see if it was

1009
01:02:05,300 --> 01:02:08,700
retained her, but we went back,
but a modern version at least

1010
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,000
said, God has a body.
Jesus has the body by the Holy

1011
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,700
Ghost doesn't have a body.
He's a personage of spirit which

1012
01:02:14,700 --> 01:02:19,400
is why he can reside in you
completely reverses the mean

1013
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,100
100% 100% completely changes the
meaning.

1014
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,800
So that's a really big deal.
Is that nefarious?

1015
01:02:27,300 --> 01:02:29,800
I don't know.
Is that just weird?

1016
01:02:29,900 --> 01:02:32,000
And of Shifting doctrinally.
And we don't want to get into

1017
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,000
the difference between the Holy
Ghost and the Holy Spirit.

1018
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,800
So let's just say that that's
what it is.

1019
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,400
I don't know, but it that's crap
as far as I'm concerned.

1020
01:02:39,700 --> 01:02:41,000
That's not what the original
said.

1021
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,700
That's not what Joseph meant.
He said the exact opposite who's

1022
01:02:44,700 --> 01:02:46,400
got the business to be changing
that?

1023
01:02:46,700 --> 01:02:48,700
Well, a lot of profit changing,
but fine.

1024
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,200
I just the closer, The Fountain,
the more pure it is.

1025
01:02:52,300 --> 01:02:55,300
I, I just, I want to stick with
that.

1026
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,000
So there have been some changes
with that, but the big

1027
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,500
difference is the Holy Ghost.
Is referring to a personage of

1028
01:03:01,500 --> 01:03:03,400
spirit.
That's what the doctor Kevin

1029
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,100
says.
But the holy spirit is referring

1030
01:03:06,100 --> 01:03:09,300
to the spirit of Christ, that
flows through all things, it's

1031
01:03:09,300 --> 01:03:13,300
pure intelligence flowing
through all the Call of life and

1032
01:03:13,300 --> 01:03:17,000
dispensing knowledge, and
comfort, and all the things that

1033
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,500
it does.
And those are very, very

1034
01:03:19,500 --> 01:03:22,900
different things.
So the sin against the, Holy

1035
01:03:22,900 --> 01:03:26,400
Ghost, then is the sin against
the Holy Spirit and that's

1036
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,700
doctrinally.
Really silly feeling, truth

1037
01:03:28,700 --> 01:03:33,000
test, isn't He just won 91 where
he says you may profit by

1038
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,300
noticing, you know, ideas coming
into your mind and they're being

1039
01:03:36,300 --> 01:03:38,800
fulfilled.
That's the Holy Spirit teaching

1040
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,100
you, you know, that's what he's
teaching us the prophets process

1041
01:03:41,100 --> 01:03:42,800
of Revelation.
It's the Holy Spirit teaching

1042
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,500
us.
Well, when you deny or you sin

1043
01:03:46,500 --> 01:03:49,600
against the Holy Spirit, what
you're doing is saying, I know

1044
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:53,100
the gospel plan, I know all this
atonement.

1045
01:03:53,100 --> 01:03:57,200
I know about 3 degrees before, I
know all this stuff, screw it, I

1046
01:03:57,207 --> 01:04:00,600
don't want it.
And that's why it says you're

1047
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,400
you're going against, you know,
the gospel of the sun, you're

1048
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,900
going against the father, you
going against everything, you

1049
01:04:06,900 --> 01:04:09,500
know what the truth is, but you
reject it anyways.

1050
01:04:09,500 --> 01:04:11,400
You like I don't want to do
this, that's what Lucifer does,

1051
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,100
right?
He's in the presence of God,

1052
01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:15,800
he's in the presence of the sun,
he knows what the plan is.

1053
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,100
He's seen it through all
eternity, and all these other

1054
01:04:18,100 --> 01:04:20,300
gods are done the same thing and
he says, I can do it better.

1055
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,300
I don't want your gospel, you
know?

1056
01:04:23,300 --> 01:04:25,800
And so he falls.
Well, that's what sending you

1057
01:04:25,808 --> 01:04:30,600
into the holy spirit is, it's
like, I have all this light

1058
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,200
novel tonight.
I felt the Peace of the

1059
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,200
atonement.
I felt the Peace of Christ but I

1060
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:39,400
don't want it anymore.
That's that's a different

1061
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:45,200
doctrinal perspective than you
know I offended the Holy Ghost

1062
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:49,500
as a person, right?
He's overseeing teaching he

1063
01:04:49,500 --> 01:04:52,400
stopped and I offended him.
And so now I get it burn

1064
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:56,500
forever, you know, and I realize
I'm kind of tainting the well

1065
01:04:56,500 --> 01:04:59,200
and how I'm saying that a little
bit but It's still.

1066
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,800
That's kind of how people
perceive sitting against the

1067
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,000
Holy Ghost.
It's like, it's a person, right?

1068
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,600
That's a person, right?
Medium upset at me and I can't

1069
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,200
repent of that.
Now, I've gone too far.

1070
01:05:09,500 --> 01:05:13,100
I came and Joseph, I can't find
the reference, which well, I

1071
01:05:13,107 --> 01:05:15,100
shouldn't say.
Can't I look for earlier, they

1072
01:05:15,100 --> 01:05:18,000
didn't.
But Joseph at one point says,

1073
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,000
you can sin against the father
and he'll forgive you, and you

1074
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,600
can sin against your blasting.
I think he says, blasphemy

1075
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,000
against the Sun and he'll
forgive you, but you can't

1076
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,700
blasphemy against the Holy
Ghost.

1077
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:30,900
He changes that to blasting
this.

1078
01:05:30,900 --> 01:05:33,300
That would be saying blasphemy
against the Holy Spirit and now

1079
01:05:33,300 --> 01:05:37,500
you see, you're saying he's
blaspheming against all truth,

1080
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,500
right?
That's a dip very different

1081
01:05:40,500 --> 01:05:43,400
perspective.
Now, I can I get this swear at

1082
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:47,600
you, offend you and make you
mad, and that's one kind of an

1083
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:52,400
offense, but I can say I reject
all truth that has to do with

1084
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,100
the Plan of Salvation.
Now you understand why he

1085
01:05:55,100 --> 01:05:56,600
doesn't get the benefit the
endowment.

1086
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,400
He didn't want it right?
He received the benefit of it

1087
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,700
and he said, I don't want it so
dr.

1088
01:06:03,700 --> 01:06:07,000
Lee, that's a gargantuan change
is super subtle.

1089
01:06:07,700 --> 01:06:11,100
If you're not sensitive to the
difference between the holy

1090
01:06:11,100 --> 01:06:15,600
ghost in the Holy Spirit and
then, didn't you read the DNC 76

1091
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,800
version that I'm creating?
And you don't read the textural

1092
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,600
footnote that I'm just
explaining you might not even

1093
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:29,600
notice, you know, right?
It just looks What's the word

1094
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:31,500
aesthetic?
It's that's wrong word but you

1095
01:06:31,500 --> 01:06:34,200
know just looks prosaic.
It's he's just choosing a

1096
01:06:34,207 --> 01:06:36,400
different where you like some of
the weight flows better or

1097
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:41,200
something.
So I'm there are some big

1098
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,500
changes like that, that could be
very significant.

1099
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:53,900
I'll give you a better example.
So in in the fall of Lucifer, we

1100
01:06:53,900 --> 01:06:58,700
have some kind of big doctrines
that were taught that were kind

1101
01:06:58,700 --> 01:07:01,800
of lost and I don't know if I
mentioned this last time I spoke

1102
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,500
with you but George laub
recorded the king Follett

1103
01:07:05,500 --> 01:07:08,700
discourse but it never made it
to the words of Joseph Smith.

1104
01:07:09,500 --> 01:07:13,900
It's only in the digital version
and so he teaches some things in

1105
01:07:13,900 --> 01:07:17,900
there that we don't have
anywhere else anywhere.

1106
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,700
Where we don't have been
teaching a Joseph.

1107
01:07:19,700 --> 01:07:22,200
We don't have a teaching at
Brigham John Taylor, nobody

1108
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,100
nothing.
They don't, they just never show

1109
01:07:24,100 --> 01:07:29,100
up again and there's significant
and I'll read them.

1110
01:07:29,700 --> 01:07:34,800
So you, so we can see why
they're significant, she's if I

1111
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:41,900
can find it, good gravy.
But then I hear this but then

1112
01:07:41,900 --> 01:07:45,000
after that if you read from that
perspective from the King

1113
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:50,300
Follett discourse.
Oh shoot that completely lost

1114
01:07:50,300 --> 01:07:51,900
you where to go.
I'm here.

1115
01:07:52,500 --> 01:07:54,300
Okay.
No I'm on my screen.

1116
01:07:54,300 --> 01:08:01,800
I'm like okay, so in the king
Follett discourse, George lab

1117
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:05,700
records, these new doctrines,
but when Joseph does Dean c76

1118
01:08:05,700 --> 01:08:10,500
poetic version We find some of
those things and it helps our

1119
01:08:10,500 --> 01:08:15,500
understanding and, you know,
and, and I'm not going to claim.

1120
01:08:15,500 --> 01:08:18,100
This is what the truth is.
Or this is what you have to

1121
01:08:18,100 --> 01:08:19,800
believe, but I'll read the text
to.

1122
01:08:19,808 --> 01:08:24,700
You can look at it and say that
really sounds like, you know,

1123
01:08:24,700 --> 01:08:27,100
something directly seen before.
So, here we go.

1124
01:08:27,300 --> 01:08:29,899
Here's George lob, Recording,
King, Follett discourse.

1125
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:37,700
Satan or Lucifer being the next
are after Jesus.

1126
01:08:38,100 --> 01:08:39,700
A lot of him, great power and
authority.

1127
01:08:39,700 --> 01:08:43,100
So he's saying Jesus was heir to
the throne.

1128
01:08:43,100 --> 01:08:46,100
That's why he gets to be the
Savior but Lucifer was next in

1129
01:08:46,100 --> 01:08:49,600
line.
And he had a lot of time

1130
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,399
preparing for the even Prince
and power of the air, he's fake

1131
01:08:52,399 --> 01:08:55,600
immediately and boasted of
himself saying Sydney, I can

1132
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:59,399
save all even those who sinned
against the Holy Ghost and he

1133
01:08:59,399 --> 01:09:01,899
accused his Brethren and was
hurled from the council.

1134
01:09:02,500 --> 01:09:06,100
Now the, the council is
explained in the king followed

1135
01:09:06,100 --> 01:09:09,600
discourse and it's explained
even clearer in Georgia, lobs

1136
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,100
Council.
This is the Council of the Gods.

1137
01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:16,100
This is when Joseph says, Elohim
is means counsel of God's should

1138
01:09:16,100 --> 01:09:17,600
be translate God.
Throughout.

1139
01:09:18,100 --> 01:09:19,800
He's talking about Council, the
God.

1140
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:25,200
So Satan is curled from the
Council of the Gods for striving

1141
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:28,300
to break the law immediately so
bad at grammar.

1142
01:09:28,300 --> 01:09:31,500
You know, since he's made some
mistakes transcribing but you

1143
01:09:31,500 --> 01:09:36,500
get the idea and then it says,
there was a Warfare with Satan

1144
01:09:36,700 --> 01:09:40,100
and the gods.
So this isn't just a Warfare

1145
01:09:40,100 --> 01:09:42,600
between Lucifer and God the
Father and Jesus.

1146
01:09:43,100 --> 01:09:45,700
There's a whole Council.
He's fighting against all right.

1147
01:09:45,899 --> 01:09:49,500
Hmm it says There's a Warfare
with Satan in the gods and they

1148
01:09:49,500 --> 01:09:53,100
hurled Satan out of his place
and all them.

1149
01:09:53,100 --> 01:09:55,100
That would not keep the law of
the council.

1150
01:09:55,100 --> 01:09:59,900
But here's the big kicker he
himself Lucifer it's it doesn't

1151
01:09:59,900 --> 01:10:01,600
say loose for their best, that's
what it means.

1152
01:10:02,100 --> 01:10:06,800
He himself Lucifer being one of
the council.

1153
01:10:07,900 --> 01:10:10,700
We one of the Council of the
Gods, he's part of the elephant

1154
01:10:11,500 --> 01:10:15,400
would not keep this or their
first, his or their purses state

1155
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:18,600
for, he was one of the sons of
Perdition in consequently, all

1156
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,300
the sons of position become
Devils, okay?

1157
01:10:21,700 --> 01:10:25,100
So that's the me T stop there.
Yeah, it is.

1158
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,900
And, and you know, what does
that mean?

1159
01:10:29,900 --> 01:10:33,700
He was part of the Council of
the Gods, was he exalted?

1160
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,000
What do we take from that?
And we can read it in different.

1161
01:10:37,100 --> 01:10:39,400
Current ways, but that's what
the text says.

1162
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,800
So it's interesting to think
about.

1163
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:45,800
So okay, here we go.
Now to the poetic version of

1164
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,400
this of loose first fall from
Heaven.

1165
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:52,700
Now that what I just read was
the king, Follett discourse, not

1166
01:10:52,700 --> 01:10:58,400
being c76 proper but I'm now
going to the poetic version of

1167
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:02,000
DNC 76.
That's Joseph's interpretation

1168
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:06,400
BC DNC 76.
It says rewrite with some new

1169
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:09,300
doctrines.
This is what he says.

1170
01:11:09,300 --> 01:11:12,500
And I saw him bare record of
warfare in heaven, Warfare in

1171
01:11:12,500 --> 01:11:15,100
heaven is new.
That's not in the original DNC,

1172
01:11:15,500 --> 01:11:18,600
we all know it's Warfare because
we read the book of Abraham and

1173
01:11:18,700 --> 01:11:22,300
you know, we've heard Joseph,
teach you this but he throws it

1174
01:11:22,300 --> 01:11:26,400
in there that wasn't in the
original DNC 76 so he could have

1175
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,500
been referring to something a
little bit different so he's

1176
01:11:28,500 --> 01:11:29,700
more explicit.
So that's nice.

1177
01:11:29,700 --> 01:11:33,100
Not a big deal for an angel of
Light and Authority.

1178
01:11:33,100 --> 01:11:38,600
Great Rebelled against Jesus in.
This is added and sought for his

1179
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:42,100
power.
But was thrust down to, whoa,

1180
01:11:42,100 --> 01:11:45,700
from his God.
If I'd State now, first of all,

1181
01:11:45,700 --> 01:11:47,700
it says thrust down to world
that doesn't show up in the

1182
01:11:47,700 --> 01:11:53,000
original DNC 76, but it does
show up earlier when it talks

1183
01:11:53,000 --> 01:12:03,100
about she now Looking for my
verse 33, the poetic version

1184
01:12:03,100 --> 01:12:07,300
describes regions of low.
So it says now he's thrust down

1185
01:12:07,300 --> 01:12:09,400
to row.
So before their regions of well,

1186
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:13,700
which sound kind of like, you
know, Orson Pratt said that just

1187
01:12:13,700 --> 01:12:15,400
as there are different degrees
of Glory there, different

1188
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:21,000
degrees of dominions of hell so
he's thrust down to what sounds

1189
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:24,500
like that although we know he
has thrust down to earth so but

1190
01:12:24,500 --> 01:12:26,700
then it says, from his gotta
fight State.

1191
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:30,700
Now, Donna fight is a unique
word, it Happens to show up

1192
01:12:30,700 --> 01:12:34,400
earlier in the poetic version
and guess where the word got to

1193
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:37,800
fight capitalized, shows up
earlier in the DNC. 70 said,

1194
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:39,400
where else can you see the word
God?

1195
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,600
If I don't think that shows up
in the dictionary, I haven't

1196
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,000
looked it up but it clearly
implies something.

1197
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:48,500
And we just read in George lobs
Journal that he was a member of

1198
01:12:48,500 --> 01:12:53,000
the Council of the Gods.
So for people who believe that

1199
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:58,800
Lucifer was exalted and was cast
down in his period of

1200
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,300
dissolution is now, Only has a
spirit like Joseph Smith taught.

1201
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:05,100
That's a very significant
teaching.

1202
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:12,400
It's it's and you know, you say,
how is it that a spirit Can

1203
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,400
convince a third part of the
hosts of having to follow him

1204
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,000
against God the father who's
Advanced so much further than he

1205
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:23,100
has, right?
But if you say wait, wait, this

1206
01:13:23,100 --> 01:13:26,400
is Lucifer was exalted.
He was, he was a member of the

1207
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,800
Council of the Gods and he was
in a God if I'd state capital G

1208
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:34,000
used, the same term is those who
are the Church of the firstborn

1209
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:37,700
who are exalted human beings.
Now, here, this is somebody's

1210
01:13:37,700 --> 01:13:40,000
been through his probations on
Earth has been exalted.

1211
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:43,600
He's next heir to the throne.
You the next Xavier and, you

1212
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:47,800
know, the atoning person and
he's the one, his convincing

1213
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,700
people now you see why can get a
third part of the host.

1214
01:13:50,700 --> 01:13:53,800
I haven't followed, you know,
and I'm not saying that's

1215
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:55,700
correct doctrine of the correct
interpretation.

1216
01:13:56,100 --> 01:14:00,300
But it's something to consider
the text certainly suggests that

1217
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:05,700
and it's interesting to look at,
you know, and in, and I think

1218
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,800
whether you accept that as a
true understanding or all

1219
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,800
that's, that's see.
That's why they Taste it because

1220
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:17,200
they write some stuff like that.
It doesn't matter to me where we

1221
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:20,000
fall on the issue.
Well it matters to me is that we

1222
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:25,000
had access to choose to
understand and to know what

1223
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:30,000
Joseph taught what he changed
and what he was suggesting so

1224
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,900
that I can come up with an
educated understanding of what

1225
01:14:33,900 --> 01:14:37,100
that was instead of saying, well
brother so-and-so told me about

1226
01:14:37,100 --> 01:14:39,800
this text sounded really weird,
you know?

1227
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:43,700
Right.
That's where I think we see some

1228
01:14:43,700 --> 01:14:46,900
changing and learning on
Joseph's part starting to show

1229
01:14:46,900 --> 01:14:51,500
up you know in the term God if
I'd I mentioned it was

1230
01:14:51,500 --> 01:14:54,200
capitalized and and I want to
point out.

1231
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:56,900
I've mentioned this several
times in different contexts

1232
01:14:57,900 --> 01:15:02,300
online and offline.
The early Brethren did not have

1233
01:15:02,300 --> 01:15:05,100
bold text easily available to
them.

1234
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:10,200
Italics was a whole new set of
stuff that you had to buy, you

1235
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:13,800
know, then you put it in on your
Or your typesetting and then you

1236
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:18,000
have to put it's literally in a
different spot on the, you know,

1237
01:15:18,100 --> 01:15:22,100
moving around of where it's at.
They didn't tend to have as much

1238
01:15:22,100 --> 01:15:23,500
of them because they didn't need
him as much.

1239
01:15:23,500 --> 01:15:27,600
They would run out of them and
so frivolously, you wouldn't

1240
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,800
have enough to put it where you
really needed it.

1241
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:33,200
So how do you emphasize stop be
capitalized?

1242
01:15:33,700 --> 01:15:34,400
Capitalized.
It?

1243
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,600
Yep, super easy.
There are lots of capitals

1244
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,800
they've got beaucoup of them
because you need them every

1245
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:44,500
sentence and We got pronouns and
personal names and we just have

1246
01:15:44,500 --> 01:15:47,600
a lot of capital letters so it's
easy to emphasize something by

1247
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:52,600
capitalizing.
So even if he doesn't really

1248
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:55,700
mean, God, if I'd let's just
pretend, he doesn't mean it at

1249
01:15:55,700 --> 01:15:59,200
all.
You know, he, he's just using

1250
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:01,500
this weird word because it
sounds cool.

1251
01:16:02,100 --> 01:16:04,200
I don't know, whatever, how do
we want to trick that?

1252
01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:07,200
He's emphasizing it.
He's trying to draw attention to

1253
01:16:07,208 --> 01:16:10,600
this word.
He wants you to see that maybe

1254
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,100
he was an egg.
God, maybe it wasn't part of the

1255
01:16:13,100 --> 01:16:17,100
counsel of God's like, you know,
we're interpreting from Georgia

1256
01:16:17,100 --> 01:16:18,400
law.
That George lab, wrote it down

1257
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:21,000
wrong, all those things, you
look at all those things.

1258
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:24,200
He's drawing attention to it.
To say he was an authority,

1259
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:26,500
great.
And when I say Authority, great

1260
01:16:26,500 --> 01:16:29,400
Indian cities 76, when we wrote
that down and he said, he was an

1261
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:31,200
authority.
Great, we meant it.

1262
01:16:31,300 --> 01:16:34,600
He was the son of the morning,
big deal, right?

1263
01:16:35,500 --> 01:16:40,200
So in the discourse on a baton,
this is a early Christian.

1264
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:44,700
Getting weary about the Warfare
in heaven.

1265
01:16:44,700 --> 01:16:47,500
Now, most modern Christians.
Don't believe in a worker in

1266
01:16:47,500 --> 01:16:50,200
heaven.
But the Jews did in some of the

1267
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:52,900
early Christian resources.
We have, they talked about the

1268
01:16:52,900 --> 01:16:56,000
Warfare in heaven.
And the discourse on a baton is

1269
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,800
one of them.
And in this discourse on out of

1270
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:00,400
town I'll just read a portion of
it.

1271
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:03,700
It has some kind of weirdest
stuff I mean sometimes the early

1272
01:17:03,700 --> 01:17:09,900
Christian stuff did but there's
there's some really fascinating.

1273
01:17:12,300 --> 01:17:13,700
Symbolism.
That's used.

1274
01:17:14,700 --> 01:17:19,100
And one of these has to do with
the authority of Lucifer, having

1275
01:17:19,100 --> 01:17:21,300
great Authority, that's why it's
kind of relevant this

1276
01:17:21,300 --> 01:17:23,400
conversation.
So this is one of my footnotes

1277
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:26,200
and you can read the whole thing
in the real real project.

1278
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:29,300
When my father saw his great
pride is talking about Lucifer

1279
01:17:29,300 --> 01:17:32,000
that his wickedness and his evil
doing work.

1280
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:35,200
Complete he commanded all the
armies of Heaven saying, remove

1281
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:38,000
the writing which is in the hand
of The Proud one.

1282
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:41,100
Strip you off his armor and cast
him down to earth for his time

1283
01:17:41,100 --> 01:17:43,600
has come.
He is the greatest of them all.

1284
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,400
He's the head of Dover them and
is like a king.

1285
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:50,400
And he's ahead over them in
their names, are written in the

1286
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,400
sand.
Now, if you don't understand,

1287
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,300
Christian symbolism or early
Hebrew, some more has a more

1288
01:17:55,300 --> 01:17:58,200
precisely that sounds a little
bit cryptic.

1289
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:00,600
So let me unpack that a little
bit for readers.

1290
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:05,300
Who don't spend a lot of time
reading Coptic texts remove the

1291
01:18:05,300 --> 01:18:09,900
writing which is in his hand in
early Hebrew thought, if you

1292
01:18:09,900 --> 01:18:12,400
knew somebody's name you had
power over them.

1293
01:18:13,300 --> 01:18:15,700
So an atom names.
All of the animals that's making

1294
01:18:15,700 --> 01:18:18,500
him Lord over the whole Earth.
With, he's the Lord over line,

1295
01:18:18,500 --> 01:18:20,700
because he named it.
He's the Lord, over the album

1296
01:18:20,700 --> 01:18:22,700
because he named it, that's the
symbolism.

1297
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,600
Okay.
So Lucifer has the writing of

1298
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:28,500
the names of all the hosts of
the armies of Heaven.

1299
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:32,600
That means he has authority over
the armies of the house in

1300
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:36,000
heaven.
So he's got a lot of power.

1301
01:18:36,500 --> 01:18:38,800
So it says, remove the writing
from his hands.

1302
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:42,300
He would, ooh, you're handsome
wise similar to what you do it,

1303
01:18:42,300 --> 01:18:43,800
right?
Well, the scepter with your

1304
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:47,000
hand, you do things with your
hand, you write with your hands.

1305
01:18:47,100 --> 01:18:49,300
Punch with the other slice and
dice with your hand.

1306
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:52,900
It symbolizes your actions.
So he's to get rid of his

1307
01:18:52,900 --> 01:18:55,400
authority over the actions of
the host of Heaven.

1308
01:18:56,700 --> 01:19:00,500
So remove that from and that's
part of his Hugh Nibley referred

1309
01:19:00,500 --> 01:19:04,900
to this as the threefold
reversal of the ritual endowment

1310
01:19:05,500 --> 01:19:08,500
and in.
So Lucifer's following a

1311
01:19:08,500 --> 01:19:12,800
three-fold curse as found in the
endowment to reverse his

1312
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:18,500
exaltation.
So Authority in his hands.

1313
01:19:20,500 --> 01:19:24,000
That be would that be like
symbolic of him maybe losing a

1314
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,200
glorified body.
Yes.

1315
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:30,200
And in fact, interestingly the
early Christian tax when it

1316
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,800
talks about the garments of Adam
and Eve which they talk about

1317
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,900
them regularly.
When they fell, they said our

1318
01:19:35,900 --> 01:19:39,300
bodies are now in that, not now
full of light, like they used to

1319
01:19:39,300 --> 01:19:43,500
be and and they were called
garments of Glory.

1320
01:19:43,500 --> 01:19:45,700
They were, they're referring to
their body.

1321
01:19:45,700 --> 01:19:50,500
And so, you know, the Garment is
representing your glorified

1322
01:19:50,500 --> 01:19:52,900
State when you enter back in the
presence of God.

1323
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,200
So they're they're getting rid
of Of his body.

1324
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:01,100
And then later, this is where it
sounds kind of weird, but if

1325
01:20:01,100 --> 01:20:07,000
you're thinking in symbolic
terms, this is fascinating God.

1326
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,800
Commanded them to bring a sharp
reaping knife.

1327
01:20:09,900 --> 01:20:12,600
And I, what's the reaping knife
for reaping knife is for

1328
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:13,900
reaping, right?
You're right.

1329
01:20:14,100 --> 01:20:19,300
You're this is the product of
your labor, right?

1330
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,900
Had to stab him there with on
his son on this side and on

1331
01:20:22,900 --> 01:20:28,800
that, right through his Body to
the vertebrae of his shoulders

1332
01:20:28,900 --> 01:20:30,200
and he's unable to hold himself
up.

1333
01:20:30,300 --> 01:20:33,700
Okay, so this sounds a little
bit cryptic but once he

1334
01:20:33,700 --> 01:20:36,600
describing he just cut his head
off, right?

1335
01:20:36,700 --> 01:20:39,000
Okay.
You can go, I went through to

1336
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,000
the vertebrae.
So he left a little tiny bit of

1337
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,400
it left.
So, what is this symbolizing?

1338
01:20:44,100 --> 01:20:46,600
He's cast out of the presence of
his priesthood head.

1339
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:51,000
He's lost.
His head is being cut off his

1340
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:54,900
body, his followers, he and his
followers are being cut off from

1341
01:20:54,900 --> 01:20:56,200
their priest.
Good head.

1342
01:20:56,500 --> 01:20:59,100
And you know, that's, that's the
symbolism we're getting here.

1343
01:20:59,100 --> 01:21:02,900
Man's head is sees, you know,
who's in charge of woman's head

1344
01:21:02,900 --> 01:21:05,700
as her husband.
That's why he's head of the

1345
01:21:05,700 --> 01:21:09,300
household and these types of
symbolisms and dirt are day,

1346
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,400
that's what it's referring to.
So, so he gets curse that way.

1347
01:21:13,900 --> 01:21:17,100
And then my father commanded a
mighty cherubim, which is

1348
01:21:17,100 --> 01:21:21,300
basically a, some sort of Angel
and he smote him and cast him

1349
01:21:21,300 --> 01:21:25,000
down from heaven to the Earth
because of his bride Pride.

1350
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:29,700
He broke his wings and his ribs
and made him helpless.

1351
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:33,700
Okay, so what's with the wings
in the wings in the ribs?

1352
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:39,300
Okay, so the wings are
representing his movement like

1353
01:21:39,300 --> 01:21:42,100
as a glorified exalted person,
you can move at speed of

1354
01:21:42,100 --> 01:21:44,700
thought, where we're taught by
multiple of the earlier brother.

1355
01:21:45,100 --> 01:21:48,100
You can just go this way now.
Well he's being rude.

1356
01:21:48,100 --> 01:21:50,900
His wings are being removed,
whether he is exalted or not,

1357
01:21:51,300 --> 01:21:56,900
his ability to travel quickly
through Time space or whatever

1358
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:01,000
is been limited, and not only
that, but his ribs are broken.

1359
01:22:02,100 --> 01:22:05,100
Well, what does that mean?
And again this I'm talking

1360
01:22:05,100 --> 01:22:07,800
Hebrew symbolism.
This is early Christian texts.

1361
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:10,400
I'm not saying Joseph taught
this, and that's in Brigham pop

1362
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:11,700
this.
But it can I take us?

1363
01:22:12,300 --> 01:22:14,500
Can I take a stab on what?
I think the ribs are.

1364
01:22:15,500 --> 01:22:18,300
Yeah.
Yeah, go for it reproduction.

1365
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:20,000
Yes.
Exactly.

1366
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:23,200
And Hebrew thought, the woman
comes from the ribs of man.

1367
01:22:23,300 --> 01:22:26,500
So what's he saying here it?
Take his wives away.

1368
01:22:27,300 --> 01:22:30,300
Can't have his wives you know
he's getting cast down there,

1369
01:22:30,300 --> 01:22:32,600
stay in here.
Brigham said there are no

1370
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:34,600
Daughters of Perdition multiple
times.

1371
01:22:34,900 --> 01:22:38,200
It reads sons of Perdition.
The women are protected from

1372
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:40,800
that and it goes into all those
sorts of reasons why.

1373
01:22:41,300 --> 01:22:44,100
But at the end of the day,
Lucifer has been cast down to

1374
01:22:44,100 --> 01:22:48,100
breaking his rips.
God breaks the Covenant, he

1375
01:22:48,100 --> 01:22:50,400
suffers it.
He's the one who's in charge of

1376
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:51,900
that.
Is like your wires.

1377
01:22:51,900 --> 01:22:55,600
Get a stay, you're leaving.
Now that gets in the whole

1378
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:59,400
little strong but we won't, we
won't go down that rabbit hole.

1379
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:07,700
So at any rate at this point,
he's lost his his this is

1380
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:10,300
suggestive of his process of
dissolution.

1381
01:23:10,300 --> 01:23:14,500
He's losing his body and later
he's complaining to Eve.

1382
01:23:14,500 --> 01:23:17,900
He says I was caused to be
expelled from Paradise because

1383
01:23:17,900 --> 01:23:24,000
of you. and, And you you've made
me become a stranger, my

1384
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:27,900
dwelling place and put thrust me
down in the hell basically.

1385
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:31,500
So that's why Adam and Eve is
because of this experience.

1386
01:23:32,100 --> 01:23:36,400
So I could go a whole lot into
more into that and that's super

1387
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:38,200
interesting.
And I think you do, you read it

1388
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:39,900
from an endowment perspective
in.

1389
01:23:39,900 --> 01:23:43,500
You're just like like the me,
you know, there's lots of really

1390
01:23:43,500 --> 01:23:51,800
cool stuff there but I is a
holistic thing, there is Joseph.

1391
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:57,900
Commenting on DNC, 76 through
his poetic version hinting at

1392
01:23:57,900 --> 01:24:02,700
some new doctrines.
And then we have, you know, his

1393
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,900
his King Follett discourse
hinting at some more new

1394
01:24:05,900 --> 01:24:07,900
doctrines in accordance with
that.

1395
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:11,700
And then you start adding in all
the all the discourses from the

1396
01:24:11,700 --> 01:24:15,400
early Brethren, about those
areas of Sons of Perdition and

1397
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:18,500
look the war in heaven and all
that sort of stuff and you start

1398
01:24:18,500 --> 01:24:24,200
getting this pretty consistent
picture of Of what Joseph seemed

1399
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:27,800
to have been learning.
That was very different than,

1400
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:32,000
than what he was teaching,
originally and fascinatingly.

1401
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,900
I was, I think it's fascinating.
Here's Joseph revealing new

1402
01:24:35,900 --> 01:24:41,300
doctrine that coincides with the
legends of the Jews, which he

1403
01:24:41,300 --> 01:24:44,300
could have her.
Yeah, but also coincides with

1404
01:24:44,300 --> 01:24:46,400
dr.
With, with all sorts of early

1405
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:48,600
Christian texts that were
discovered when he was alive.

1406
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:51,400
Yeah.
You go into more detail than any

1407
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:56,900
of the Legends and that match,
his Revelations of the

1408
01:24:56,900 --> 01:25:00,300
endowment.
And then we have him just

1409
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,700
hinting a little bit about it in
VNC 76.

1410
01:25:02,700 --> 01:25:08,500
So I do see some, some places
where, you know, it looks like

1411
01:25:08,500 --> 01:25:09,900
he's dr.
Lee learned a little bit.

1412
01:25:09,900 --> 01:25:12,300
Holy Ghost, Holy Spirit.
Let's clarify that a little bit.

1413
01:25:12,300 --> 01:25:14,900
We didn't know what the
difference was before, and we

1414
01:25:14,900 --> 01:25:18,500
only had one term.
And now we've got a distinction

1415
01:25:18,500 --> 01:25:20,800
that we've made.
Let's be more clear about it.

1416
01:25:21,300 --> 01:25:24,300
Does that?
At what was Lucifer's Authority?

1417
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:26,300
Well, he was gotta fight, but
what does that mean?

1418
01:25:26,300 --> 01:25:29,000
Well, haha, you think and pray
about that.

1419
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:32,200
When I can't tell you too much,
you know, I mean, best kind of

1420
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:36,000
tantalizing.
In your face thing that Justice

1421
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:40,400
throws at us without explaining.
Well, I think it's, I think it's

1422
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:44,800
also great because you get to
see a little bit of the

1423
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:48,100
progression of the Prophet
himself, right?

1424
01:25:48,100 --> 01:25:52,300
Which is absolutely awesome.
Because sometimes I think we

1425
01:25:52,300 --> 01:25:54,900
look at Joseph and we look at
these early leaders.

1426
01:25:55,100 --> 01:25:58,600
I know we get it with the
founders of the, the country

1427
01:25:58,900 --> 01:26:01,600
where we kind of turn them into
marble statues, right?

1428
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:03,600
Where we think.
Oh, they were just born.

1429
01:26:03,700 --> 01:26:07,500
Really, really great.
And we can never get there right

1430
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:11,200
in this sort of thing, like, you
just explained where Joseph gets

1431
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:16,900
a revelation and he just
basically gives it right as he

1432
01:26:16,900 --> 01:26:20,100
receives it at doesn't
necessarily mean, he understands

1433
01:26:20,100 --> 01:26:24,600
it fully either for a space of
time, and then that's what's

1434
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:26,700
cool about what you're doing.
And what you're pointing out

1435
01:26:26,700 --> 01:26:32,300
here is that you can see Joseph
go oh you know I got that that

1436
01:26:32,300 --> 01:26:35,900
revelation And I just learned
this, but if I remember

1437
01:26:35,900 --> 01:26:38,300
correctly, it said this back.
Let's go back here and look at

1438
01:26:38,300 --> 01:26:40,700
this because this needs our
attention now.

1439
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:42,900
I think that's super
fascinating.

1440
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:50,600
And likewise I think it also
gives certainly a guy like me a

1441
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:53,700
little bit of hope that.
Hey just keep going, right?

1442
01:26:53,700 --> 01:26:57,900
Just keep plugging away at it.
Understanding does not come most

1443
01:26:57,900 --> 01:27:00,900
of the time in a brilliant,
flash of light.

1444
01:27:00,900 --> 01:27:04,400
Its gradual, you got to build
line upon line, precept upon

1445
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:06,000
precept.
Yeah.

1446
01:27:06,900 --> 01:27:11,800
And it's fun seeing the inside
movements of what was happening

1447
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:16,300
in.
This is where I I came across

1448
01:27:16,300 --> 01:27:23,000
something and I was a little bit
shocked and it was I think this

1449
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:26,500
demonstrates, something I was
reading online earlier today.

1450
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:35,600
So Indian, see 7070 verse 3, God
appoints six-man to be stewards

1451
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:38,500
over the revelations to print
them and they end up buying a

1452
01:27:38,500 --> 01:27:42,300
printing house and they're in
charge of, you know, binding and

1453
01:27:42,300 --> 01:27:45,200
all that sort of stuff.
And they were supposed to be

1454
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:47,600
supported by the sale of all
these scriptures.

1455
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:50,500
And if they had any extra after
supporting the families, they're

1456
01:27:50,500 --> 01:27:52,100
supposed to put it in the United
order.

1457
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:57,300
So that's all interesting.
I couldn't find us, you know, I

1458
01:27:57,300 --> 01:28:00,800
found the appointment but Can
find this printing firm.

1459
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:03,600
And where is this?
You know?

1460
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:09,000
So, DNC 78 idly.
That's about the first five or

1461
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,100
eight or three.
When I launched the

1462
01:28:11,100 --> 01:28:16,300
crowdfunding, I'll quote it
precisely, but it says, I want

1463
01:28:16,300 --> 01:28:20,600
you to create a United order and
a literary form and publication

1464
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:23,400
establishment, that will be
Everlasting.

1465
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:29,100
To print the Commandments.
I have given you in the

1466
01:28:29,100 --> 01:28:33,100
Commandments.
I will yet, give to you and make

1467
01:28:33,100 --> 01:28:34,900
them available for the world to
read.

1468
01:28:36,500 --> 01:28:40,400
So guess what isn't in the
modern Doctrine Covenants?

1469
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:43,900
That it says nothing about the
literary firm.

1470
01:28:44,700 --> 01:28:48,600
It says nothing about this being
an everlasting, commandment

1471
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:50,800
nothing about this, being an
everlasting establishment,

1472
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:52,700
they're supposed to be creating
his identity.

1473
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:57,000
There was a point where the
Brethren met to see if they

1474
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:59,900
should disband the literary firm
and then a section of the

1475
01:28:59,900 --> 01:29:04,100
Doctrine and Covenants was given
saying, No, in fact, expand it,

1476
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:06,700
right?
So, this is all deleted out of

1477
01:29:06,700 --> 01:29:08,300
the doctor, Covenant,
apparently.

1478
01:29:08,300 --> 01:29:11,300
And I haven't verified this yet.
So I should probably check

1479
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:16,200
Better this next week but it was
deleted from the Doctrine and

1480
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:18,500
Covenants entirely, because it
was rejected not live by the

1481
01:29:18,500 --> 01:29:22,100
Saints.
So it's basically whitewashed

1482
01:29:22,100 --> 01:29:26,900
and then it just says, you know,
these men are called to be the

1483
01:29:26,900 --> 01:29:30,700
stewards of the revelations.
And we're creating United order,

1484
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:35,500
and United order should last
forever and you shouldn't all

1485
01:29:35,500 --> 01:29:38,300
share stuff.
And that's the regulation

1486
01:29:38,900 --> 01:29:42,700
completely wipes out anything
about scriptures and publication

1487
01:29:42,700 --> 01:29:45,600
about publishing the scriptures.
But to me what was so

1488
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:47,100
significant about?
This was too full.

1489
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:50,500
One is these thing you should
give your tithing and

1490
01:29:50,500 --> 01:29:52,400
consecration to publish
scriptures.

1491
01:29:53,500 --> 01:29:56,400
And not just what I've already
commanded you but what I will

1492
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:58,900
yet command you you're supposed
to update these things.

1493
01:29:59,300 --> 01:30:01,100
There's, this is a living
religion.

1494
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:03,400
We don't believe in dead profit
crap.

1495
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:05,900
We believe in a real living
religion, where you continue to

1496
01:30:05,900 --> 01:30:08,500
get new revelation and new
guidance.

1497
01:30:08,700 --> 01:30:11,300
And I'm going to I God, I'm
going to continue teaching, you

1498
01:30:11,300 --> 01:30:13,200
stop and I don't want you to
write it down, but I want you to

1499
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:17,900
publish it.
And that doesn't ever go away

1500
01:30:18,900 --> 01:30:22,100
and to me that is a huge
indictment on us.

1501
01:30:22,900 --> 01:30:25,200
Yeah.
When was the last time DNC was

1502
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:29,900
fixed?
081 the church did it, they put

1503
01:30:29,900 --> 01:30:31,700
all this computer
cross-referencing and all that

1504
01:30:31,700 --> 01:30:33,700
sort of stuff, so great for the
church.

1505
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:37,700
But what about all these changes
that take us away from the

1506
01:30:37,700 --> 01:30:41,000
fullness of the Gospel?
What a, what about all of these

1507
01:30:41,100 --> 01:30:42,700
earlier Revelations that were
given?

1508
01:30:42,700 --> 01:30:44,800
What about lectures on faith
that was taken out?

1509
01:30:45,100 --> 01:30:50,100
What about any of these things
have we as fundamentalist having

1510
01:30:50,100 --> 01:30:53,600
existed for about 100 years.
Now, if we created a Doctrine

1511
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:58,100
and Covenants that says, here is
the original text as best as we

1512
01:30:58,108 --> 01:31:00,000
can get it.
Because there were changes there

1513
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,200
too.
So we least do textual analysis

1514
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:04,000
and Mark those up.
So we can get the original as

1515
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:08,700
best we can and we updated that
and it got it back to the

1516
01:31:08,700 --> 01:31:10,700
original.
So now, the update is to undo

1517
01:31:10,700 --> 01:31:13,300
changes, right?
That's right update.

1518
01:31:14,300 --> 01:31:17,200
And And do we have any
cross-referencing of the

1519
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:18,900
Brethren interpreting these
things?

1520
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:23,000
And where's the record says
Jesus of so-and-so teaching this

1521
01:31:23,300 --> 01:31:25,700
you know, oh, it's in the, it's
in general, this course as well.

1522
01:31:26,300 --> 01:31:29,200
How am I supposed to read the
DNC and know everything that was

1523
01:31:29,300 --> 01:31:34,700
this mint without reading?
26 volumes, right?

1524
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:37,500
This curse is.
Why hasn't this been done?

1525
01:31:37,900 --> 01:31:42,300
And did I not speak unto over
Woodruff and 1880 and Proclaim

1526
01:31:42,300 --> 01:31:44,800
you?
You know that you all?

1527
01:31:44,900 --> 01:31:47,200
I have the same Authority and
one is to preside.

1528
01:31:47,300 --> 01:31:50,500
Did I not teach you in 1886?
That each man should be?

1529
01:31:50,500 --> 01:31:54,300
It's better to be on his own
authority than to, you know,

1530
01:31:54,300 --> 01:31:58,000
tenant continues, you been
doing, didn't I continue to give

1531
01:31:58,000 --> 01:31:59,600
you Revelation and teach you
stuff.

1532
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:02,500
It, where is it?
And modern members of the church

1533
01:32:02,500 --> 01:32:04,400
1886.
What 1880?

1534
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:05,600
What are the forehead
Revelations?

1535
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:09,600
What 1882 was published in
Scandinavian but not in English.

1536
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:10,800
Why?
You know?

1537
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:14,000
I mean they don't know any of
these things 1889 Revelation

1538
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,900
says, don't make Manifesto.
Where's that?

1539
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:18,600
You know?
Yeah, I never heard that before.

1540
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:20,800
It's not there.
Well, why haven't we done our

1541
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:24,500
job?
And we can find him and, you

1542
01:32:24,500 --> 01:32:27,600
know, Fred Collier did a great
job and unpublished Revelations.

1543
01:32:28,100 --> 01:32:31,300
And I mean, those were
life-changing documents for me

1544
01:32:31,300 --> 01:32:34,000
to read, but they're not all
Revelations, you know, some

1545
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:37,800
right which you could argue as a
revelation but they're certainly

1546
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:41,900
not for the church, they're not
DNC stuff their private things

1547
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:45,600
and you've got, you know, Martin
Harris testimony Multiple times,

1548
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:48,100
which is great value.
But it's not a revelation, it's

1549
01:32:48,100 --> 01:32:50,400
an interview, you know, so
you've got a lot of stuff in

1550
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:52,600
there.
That's not really Revelation,

1551
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:55,100
but if you, if you look at it
and say this says, it was

1552
01:32:55,100 --> 01:32:58,100
Revelation, you know, even if it
doesn't say, that's the

1553
01:32:58,100 --> 01:33:00,700
authority says, I received this
Revelation in the, you know,

1554
01:33:00,900 --> 01:33:03,800
summary or something, there are
at least 60 of those, that

1555
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:08,000
aren't in the modern DNC.
So where they compiled as a DNC

1556
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:11,100
where they compiled as a spot
where I can say, what are all

1557
01:33:11,100 --> 01:33:14,500
those Revelations.
You know, you can find a couple

1558
01:33:14,500 --> 01:33:16,100
guys.
Who have done some work like

1559
01:33:16,100 --> 01:33:20,200
this but they continue David on
Mackay and Spencer W, Kimball

1560
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:23,300
undoing all the stuff that was
done before you know, but we're

1561
01:33:23,300 --> 01:33:26,600
a fundamentalist look through to
compile that in a way that you

1562
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:31,200
could just read it.
You know, if Joseph was alive

1563
01:33:31,700 --> 01:33:34,700
and was compiling a Doctrine and
Covenants, what would it look

1564
01:33:34,700 --> 01:33:36,500
like?
We haven't even begun to do

1565
01:33:36,500 --> 01:33:41,500
anything remotely close to it.
And considering DNC, 78 saying

1566
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:44,700
I'm appointing is an everlasting
establishment that you update my

1567
01:33:44,700 --> 01:33:48,400
Revelations when you publish
them and use your, use your

1568
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:51,900
funds necessary to do this.
And if their leftover give it to

1569
01:33:51,907 --> 01:33:56,600
the poor, Who's doing that who's
done that, you know?

1570
01:33:57,100 --> 01:34:00,800
Right my case I had a bishop
saying, hey guys, the scripture

1571
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:02,300
say were supposed to do this.
You gonna do it.

1572
01:34:02,900 --> 01:34:05,600
And I, you know, I don't think
he was aware of the stuff I'm

1573
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:08,000
telling you about the changes,
the DNC that was just him

1574
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:09,500
reading, you know?
Right.

1575
01:34:10,300 --> 01:34:12,200
And he's like, hey, brother, we
should do this.

1576
01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:16,200
They're like, yeah, you know,
there's a property in Montana,

1577
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:19,300
we want to buy it, whatever it
is, I don't know what the

1578
01:34:19,300 --> 01:34:21,900
priority was, but it certainly
wasn't the scriptures.

1579
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:31,100
And why, you know, so so all of
that is what pushed me to to

1580
01:34:31,100 --> 01:34:33,500
want to do this project.
And I haven't even explained a

1581
01:34:33,508 --> 01:34:37,200
lot of it at this point in time,
but that's, that's the whole,

1582
01:34:39,300 --> 01:34:41,300
it's not an angst.
I wouldn't have to describe that

1583
01:34:41,300 --> 01:34:43,800
I've got angst.
All right, you know, but I just

1584
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:46,800
feel like I have to do this.
This has to be done.

1585
01:34:47,100 --> 01:34:49,400
Kind of a sense of urgency.
Yeah.

1586
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:53,500
Yeah.
And it's, you know, I've had,

1587
01:34:53,500 --> 01:34:56,800
I've had Experiences like that
before and I'm going to get it

1588
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:58,800
done.
When I think I told you my last

1589
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:01,800
podcast in 2007, when I Pat
published sensor Mormon

1590
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:04,800
polygamy, I couldn't stop
writing, you know?

1591
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:08,100
I'm like, okay, here I am.
I got to do work.

1592
01:35:08,100 --> 01:35:10,800
I've got bills to pay and got
this stuff at some work in.

1593
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:13,200
And next thing I know I'm
cross-referencing and I don't

1594
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:15,100
even know when I stopped and
what happened.

1595
01:35:15,100 --> 01:35:18,100
I just like the cloud.
Instead, I'm looking o shoots

1596
01:35:18,100 --> 01:35:19,800
4:30.
I gotta get this out before I

1597
01:35:19,808 --> 01:35:22,700
leave and, you know, and I just
couldn't stop.

1598
01:35:22,700 --> 01:35:24,500
And then, you know, Until it was
done.

1599
01:35:24,900 --> 01:35:29,600
And then I and I was at that
particular time I owed like six

1600
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:32,000
thousand dollars in bills and I
couldn't find have no money for

1601
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:35,600
it and then like I don't know if
in a couple days a week,

1602
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:38,700
whatever it was.
After I finished writing I had a

1603
01:35:38,708 --> 01:35:41,100
guy come into my office in order
to love and thousand dollars

1604
01:35:41,100 --> 01:35:42,700
worth of work which is the
easiest money.

1605
01:35:42,700 --> 01:35:45,900
I've never made my life all the
stuff he ordered was my

1606
01:35:45,900 --> 01:35:50,000
specialty to do super fast and
my is Plug and Play for my

1607
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:52,900
secretary and she had to do a
whole boatload of it.

1608
01:35:53,700 --> 01:35:57,800
It was for me, it was basically
two full-time days of work on my

1609
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:00,300
part and then, you know, quite a
bit of time on my secretary's

1610
01:36:00,300 --> 01:36:02,400
part for 11 Grand.
I mean I've never made that kind

1611
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:05,000
of money that easily before
importance or sense.

1612
01:36:06,500 --> 01:36:09,800
But that was another time when I
just couldn't stop and I've been

1613
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:13,300
this, I've been the same way
with this project is like okay,

1614
01:36:13,700 --> 01:36:17,500
all right, be responsible, go do
something, you know, makes the

1615
01:36:17,500 --> 01:36:22,900
money Drew.
So I feel that kind of a urgency

1616
01:36:22,900 --> 01:36:26,200
with it.
It's It's not like a I'm upset,

1617
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:28,900
this hasn't been done or shame
on us or that sort of stuff, but

1618
01:36:28,900 --> 01:36:31,600
I feel like this, you know, I
feel like, you know, the Savior

1619
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:34,600
showing up in America saying why
was this not recorded?

1620
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:39,000
I mean, we've all generations,
you have access to do all the

1621
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,500
stuff.
Why haven't you done it right?

1622
01:36:41,700 --> 01:36:44,500
You've got your old people can't
do the research because they

1623
01:36:44,500 --> 01:36:47,200
don't know how to use the tech.
You young kids.

1624
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:49,100
Don't know how to do the
research because you homeschool

1625
01:36:49,100 --> 01:36:50,900
them and you don't know how to
do the research.

1626
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:53,600
So how are they supposed to
learn this stuff?

1627
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:57,200
All the resources are available,
but it takes a boatload of time

1628
01:36:57,200 --> 01:37:01,800
to do them and you got to make
them wait 30 years each when

1629
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:04,300
when they could just be done,
right.

1630
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:08,300
You know this The doctrine of
culmination is has docked

1631
01:37:08,300 --> 01:37:11,900
reduction covenants is really
the culmination of the entire

1632
01:37:11,900 --> 01:37:16,500
fullness of the restoration.
And you know, Joseph said Old

1633
01:37:16,500 --> 01:37:19,300
Testament was a cursing to the
to the Hebrews because they

1634
01:37:19,300 --> 01:37:20,700
weren't willing to live a higher
law.

1635
01:37:20,700 --> 01:37:24,700
That's in the words of Joseph
Smith, not TPS and he says, it

1636
01:37:24,700 --> 01:37:26,500
was given to them because the
hardness of their hearts.

1637
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:31,100
Wow, just like Jesus said to the
Jews in Mark 10, and then he

1638
01:37:31,100 --> 01:37:33,000
says, but the New Testament was
Jesus, sitting.

1639
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:36,500
This is what it was supposed to
be, but then that gets corrupted

1640
01:37:36,500 --> 01:37:39,100
and lost and people don't
understand it, 2,000 years

1641
01:37:39,100 --> 01:37:41,000
later, it's a mystery to us.
What did he mean?

1642
01:37:41,300 --> 01:37:43,600
So we have the restoration
saying, this is what Jesus

1643
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:46,000
meant.
And by the way, we're now in a

1644
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:47,700
new dispensation, we're going to
reveal to you stuff.

1645
01:37:47,700 --> 01:37:51,200
That's never been revealed to
put before and so now we're

1646
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:54,900
offered bigger gospel than
anybody's ever had and that

1647
01:37:54,900 --> 01:37:57,100
falls right in the middle of the
Doctrine and Covenants, he's got

1648
01:37:57,100 --> 01:37:58,600
all these Revelations of God
saying.

1649
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:00,600
This is how you do it man?
Just like you're saying earlier,

1650
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:05,100
it's very unique thing and then
we've got 100 years plus of

1651
01:38:05,100 --> 01:38:08,900
Brethren interpreting it, and
it's all available to us.

1652
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:12,500
But nobody really has access to
it.

1653
01:38:12,700 --> 01:38:14,300
You know what I mean?
You're right.

1654
01:38:14,900 --> 01:38:18,500
I mean, who wants to sit like I
do obviously, who wants to spend

1655
01:38:18,500 --> 01:38:22,300
200 hours, researching Dean c76
to find all those 1500

1656
01:38:22,300 --> 01:38:25,300
cross-references and put them in
one spot, right?

1657
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:31,700
Most people are OCD they don't
do that and, you know, to really

1658
01:38:31,700 --> 01:38:35,400
do a good work on something like
this on a broader.

1659
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:38,700
Scale on continuing scale, let's
do this to the Book of Mormon.

1660
01:38:38,700 --> 01:38:43,800
Let's Whatever you know, all
these type of Publications where

1661
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:47,500
we really delve into fully
understand what the Restorations

1662
01:38:47,500 --> 01:38:50,400
about.
I mean you don't need to do full

1663
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:53,800
time for 10 years, you know.
Yeah, I could easily spend full

1664
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:56,400
time for the next 10 years and
just write the books that I've

1665
01:38:56,400 --> 01:38:59,600
already started.
Researching didn't finish and

1666
01:38:59,900 --> 01:39:01,500
it'd be easy to do that kind of
thing.

1667
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:07,800
But it's never happened in our
generation has all these

1668
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:10,400
resources.
All are In just right at the tip

1669
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:14,000
of our fingers but people don't
know how to put it all together

1670
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:17,300
and some of us do.
But I'm, you know, like I was

1671
01:39:17,300 --> 01:39:19,700
talking early, the older
generation, they're lost with

1672
01:39:19,700 --> 01:39:22,400
the technology and the younger
generation largely is

1673
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:24,800
uninterested because they
haven't been taught very much

1674
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:30,400
because all the groups were kind
of scared of the lon hidden

1675
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:33,200
became technologically and Savvy
and they don't know how to use

1676
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:34,700
this stuff.
Either happens when their kids

1677
01:39:34,700 --> 01:39:36,700
do, they don't know the
resources that are available and

1678
01:39:36,700 --> 01:39:38,400
they're scared to look to the
church because they've been

1679
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:40,800
taught their working.
And you know, whatever it is

1680
01:39:41,900 --> 01:39:45,700
there's just a lot of stuff in
the church, you know, pushes

1681
01:39:45,700 --> 01:39:51,200
anything and everything to push
their agenda in pushes, people

1682
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:53,900
away from anything that would
take him to a fullness of the

1683
01:39:53,907 --> 01:39:58,300
Gospel agenda.
And and so this type of a

1684
01:39:58,300 --> 01:40:04,600
resource is just really scarce.
In the sad thing is that it's so

1685
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:09,500
needed, right?
That's not actually when When

1686
01:40:09,500 --> 01:40:14,200
you get into things like, seeing
Joseph thought process as he's

1687
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:17,900
receiving them and then refining
them, right?

1688
01:40:18,100 --> 01:40:23,000
Um, I'm not a big fan of quote,
changing the revelations unless

1689
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:25,200
it's Joseph going.
No, no, that's not it.

1690
01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:28,300
This is what it was supposed to
be right.

1691
01:40:28,300 --> 01:40:32,100
So in that instance, I it's
imperative that we have it or

1692
01:40:32,100 --> 01:40:36,600
else we don't get a good
understanding of it and we can

1693
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:41,600
read it.
One not have all the revelations

1694
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:43,900
and to not have revisions that
he made.

1695
01:40:43,900 --> 01:40:47,100
Because he said, oh that's, you
know, he said, I could reveal a

1696
01:40:47,100 --> 01:40:49,800
hundred times more than I did in
DNC 76.

1697
01:40:50,100 --> 01:40:52,800
Right.
That's a lot.

1698
01:40:53,400 --> 01:41:00,200
Yeah, it's a ton, it's already
called it the most Sublime

1699
01:41:00,200 --> 01:41:03,200
Vision that's ever been given to
humanity offers more about the

1700
01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:06,000
Plan of Salvation than all the
other works combined.

1701
01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:07,500
That's what Brigham said about
it.

1702
01:41:09,300 --> 01:41:13,700
Hundred times more, you know, he
was ready and willing to offer

1703
01:41:13,700 --> 01:41:18,400
it to us in a make some changes,
dang.

1704
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:20,700
I mean, and where can we find
them all?

1705
01:41:20,700 --> 01:41:26,200
I can even spend dozens of hours
on Justice Smith papers and

1706
01:41:26,300 --> 01:41:28,700
maybe missed stuff anyways,
right?

1707
01:41:28,700 --> 01:41:34,000
You know, it's just it.
Anyway, that's, that's kind of

1708
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:36,400
that's what got me here.
That's what got me doing this

1709
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:37,600
crowdfunding.
That's what got me.

1710
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:41,500
Excited about it.
And and, you know, and there are

1711
01:41:41,500 --> 01:41:43,900
other features to that.
I just think it would make it a

1712
01:41:43,900 --> 01:41:47,400
lot easier to read and a lot
more helpful if we had this

1713
01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:51,700
resource not resources.
But you know I could spend the

1714
01:41:51,708 --> 01:41:55,900
next 10 years slowly doing this
can create the volume that

1715
01:41:55,900 --> 01:41:59,100
people didn't want.
Like oh we really wanted that

1716
01:41:59,200 --> 01:42:02,000
other thing that you put doing
because it was so much work and

1717
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:07,200
you know, right?
Yep.

1718
01:42:07,400 --> 01:42:13,200
So Drew real quick explain
explain what crowd crowdfunding

1719
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:16,000
is because there's going to be
some folks on here that don't

1720
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:19,300
quite get.
Well, you know, it's kind of

1721
01:42:19,300 --> 01:42:22,100
funny it's considered a modern
thing, but this is what they did

1722
01:42:22,100 --> 01:42:24,400
for all of the scriptures in
Joseph's time.

1723
01:42:24,500 --> 01:42:29,900
They purchased it as a
pre-order, and then they would

1724
01:42:29,900 --> 01:42:33,300
take money that was obtained
from the pre-order and use that

1725
01:42:33,300 --> 01:42:37,200
to print the books.
It also paid for the typesetting

1726
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:41,400
it paid for, you know, having an
editor, look stuff over paid for

1727
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:43,500
the formatting and all that sort
of stuff.

1728
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:47,100
And so, basically, you're buying
the book early, okay?

1729
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:50,600
Crowdfunding is used for all
sorts of different things

1730
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:53,100
though.
You know, somebody might say I'm

1731
01:42:53,100 --> 01:42:55,800
going to use crowdfunding
because I want to have a

1732
01:42:56,100 --> 01:42:59,600
leather-bound scripture Edition
with gold gilded edges.

1733
01:43:00,100 --> 01:43:03,000
And and that's going to take an
extra ten thousand dollars to

1734
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:06,400
produce then.
Doing a hard bound with a nice

1735
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:09,800
dust jacket, or something.
So, crowdfunding can be used for

1736
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:13,000
a lot of different things, but
the early Brethren used it, that

1737
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:17,900
that format because they didn't
have the money to print, right?

1738
01:43:17,900 --> 01:43:21,900
They would say by the book and
reserve your copy now.

1739
01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:25,600
And then it literally might be
months later before they got

1740
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:27,500
their copy.
Gotcha.

1741
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:31,400
Gotcha, we can be done in two
different ways.

1742
01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:35,500
Most crowdfunding today.
If you don't meet your All then,

1743
01:43:35,500 --> 01:43:39,900
all the money is refunded back
to the people who gave it, and

1744
01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:45,800
that puts a really huge onus on
author to do everything just

1745
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:50,500
perfect and just right so that
you make the right amount of

1746
01:43:50,500 --> 01:43:52,600
money so that you can do your
project.

1747
01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:57,100
And that doesn't work very well
for me, because I've got about

1748
01:43:57,100 --> 01:43:59,000
five different things that I
want to offer.

1749
01:43:59,700 --> 01:44:03,800
But I don't know what people
want and Sprite, you know, I

1750
01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:07,000
could if I pick Is that wrong?
I could have something that

1751
01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:09,500
people really, really want a
certain version that I'm

1752
01:44:09,500 --> 01:44:11,800
creating, but it doesn't get
funded.

1753
01:44:11,800 --> 01:44:15,100
Because I didn't offer the right
thing or I offered something

1754
01:44:15,100 --> 01:44:17,400
that offended some people or who
knows, you know.

1755
01:44:19,100 --> 01:44:24,400
So Indiegogo is lesser known
form of crowdfunder that a lot

1756
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:28,100
of independent authors use
meaning, non they don't have

1757
01:44:28,100 --> 01:44:30,000
traditional Publishers are doing
it on their own.

1758
01:44:30,500 --> 01:44:34,300
And the nice thing about
Indiegogo is you don't have to

1759
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:38,100
meet Reporter.
I can say this is what I'm

1760
01:44:38,100 --> 01:44:40,800
doing.
If you're interested, help me

1761
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:43,600
find it.
And I'll send you XYZ products

1762
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:47,900
for sending XYZ amount of money.
And I don't have to make that

1763
01:44:47,900 --> 01:44:51,000
goal of 25 thousand or fifteen
thousand or whatever the goal

1764
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:54,900
is, I just they let me keep it
they charge a higher fee.

1765
01:44:55,100 --> 01:45:01,200
So that sucks right?
Patreon does a similar thing as

1766
01:45:01,200 --> 01:45:03,900
other crowdfunding but you do a
subscription so you get like a

1767
01:45:03,907 --> 01:45:09,300
monthly Mount that you pay and
then you you get bonuses for

1768
01:45:09,300 --> 01:45:13,200
every once in a while.
So I'm, I don't know if patrons

1769
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:16,100
a good idea or not.
I think it makes sense from what

1770
01:45:16,100 --> 01:45:19,300
I'm doing.
And here's why I haven't

1771
01:45:19,300 --> 01:45:23,200
finished the Doctrine and
Covenants in part because I want

1772
01:45:23,200 --> 01:45:25,300
to do two different things and
I'm kind of waiting for

1773
01:45:25,300 --> 01:45:27,300
crowdfunding to find out what do
people really want.

1774
01:45:27,300 --> 01:45:31,600
I can get to that in a minute,
but in the interim, what I'm

1775
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:33,800
going to do is on a monthly
basis.

1776
01:45:33,900 --> 01:45:36,700
I am going to deliver Liver
sections of the Doctrine and

1777
01:45:36,700 --> 01:45:40,400
Covenants with all of the
features that I'm offering.

1778
01:45:40,900 --> 01:45:44,100
Okay?
So, you know, I'm going to do

1779
01:45:44,100 --> 01:45:48,500
those in PDF version, I'm going
to create an Epub or an ebook

1780
01:45:48,500 --> 01:45:53,300
version of DNC 76, hopefully
ready to launch before.

1781
01:45:53,300 --> 01:45:59,300
I'm crowdfunding starts on April
4th and that ePub version is is

1782
01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:02,000
kind of what I want to push more
than anything else.

1783
01:46:02,300 --> 01:46:04,100
I'm calling it the youth lovers
Edition.

1784
01:46:05,200 --> 01:46:10,100
And that ePub will make it to
where every cross reference is

1785
01:46:10,100 --> 01:46:13,100
live.
So if I'm reading at the end of

1786
01:46:13,100 --> 01:46:16,800
a verse, I click on it, it pops
up, I can read with what Brigham

1787
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:19,400
said about that.
Verse close it out, we're some

1788
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:22,000
pets that about that first,
close it out throughout the

1789
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:27,000
entire section as as well as,
you know, all the scriptures and

1790
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:31,400
that sort of stuff is there too.
So the the Epub version, I think

1791
01:46:31,400 --> 01:46:35,900
that's if if our youth are going
to read, Read, you know, I think

1792
01:46:35,900 --> 01:46:39,400
that's the version they're going
to like the most and frankly if

1793
01:46:39,400 --> 01:46:43,300
anybody just doesn't mind
reading, you can study way

1794
01:46:43,300 --> 01:46:47,000
faster and learn tons more way
faster doing this.

1795
01:46:47,100 --> 01:46:49,900
I do this and I, I'm in love
with it.

1796
01:46:49,900 --> 01:46:52,300
I can learn so much better and
so much faster.

1797
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:56,700
When I can do that and you can
highlight and do all those

1798
01:46:56,700 --> 01:46:58,400
things in a normally book
reader.

1799
01:46:59,000 --> 01:47:01,600
So, I'm going to offer that with
DNC 76.

1800
01:47:02,100 --> 01:47:04,100
But everything else is just
going to be a PDF.

1801
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:07,300
And I'll do it on a
month-to-month basis and I'm not

1802
01:47:07,300 --> 01:47:10,300
going to do DNC one DNC to the
nc3.

1803
01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:14,200
I'm going to do DNC 76 and then
maybe I'll do 29 of the.

1804
01:47:14,200 --> 01:47:16,200
Maybe I'll do it before.
They'll do 88.

1805
01:47:16,200 --> 01:47:20,300
They'll do 59-42 or whatever.
I want to hit stuff that people

1806
01:47:20,300 --> 01:47:22,700
are really interested in and try
and get some big meaty stuff

1807
01:47:22,700 --> 01:47:25,300
first so that it can see the
value of it.

1808
01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:30,500
There's this is there's an
enormous value to study what

1809
01:47:30,500 --> 01:47:32,000
like this and having this
available.

1810
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:34,900
And so I want them to see that
immediately be able to Provide

1811
01:47:34,900 --> 01:47:38,600
Box by it.
Look at it, see what it is.

1812
01:47:38,700 --> 01:47:42,200
And say, I think I want to hold
the in, see like this, you know,

1813
01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:43,900
right.
I think anybody who bothers to

1814
01:47:43,900 --> 01:47:45,900
really go through it will want
to do that.

1815
01:47:46,500 --> 01:47:50,000
Awesome.
So, so on each month, I don't

1816
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:52,000
know what I do.
One section or five sections.

1817
01:47:52,100 --> 01:47:55,200
Well, I don't know.
Is, is it that short DNC, that's

1818
01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:57,400
like this long on the page,
right?

1819
01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:00,900
Tin is a DNC 84 that's been
quoted 800 times in general

1820
01:48:00,900 --> 01:48:05,400
conference, you know, right.
It's going to take longer to

1821
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:07,300
make.
So I'm just going to do a

1822
01:48:07,300 --> 01:48:11,800
monthly offering to anybody
who's involved until I get it

1823
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:14,600
printed there.
Until I get the full ePub

1824
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:17,400
digital version done depending
on what people want.

1825
01:48:17,500 --> 01:48:19,200
You know, if everybody says
screw the digital version, I

1826
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:22,200
don't want to pay for that.
I'm old and I've got the money

1827
01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:26,000
and I'm going to get the I want
to bed the leather version with

1828
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:28,800
the gold gilded edges.
Well I want that too so I'll

1829
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:31,400
just I'll do that while the
digital version later you know.

1830
01:48:31,900 --> 01:48:34,300
Right.
Pretty partially that same.

1831
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:38,800
Time.
But here's the trick.

1832
01:48:39,700 --> 01:48:42,700
If I create a digital version
that has everything that I want

1833
01:48:43,300 --> 01:48:45,700
and that I think will be the
best for the Youth and the best.

1834
01:48:45,700 --> 01:48:49,100
For people want to study that
screws up the print version

1835
01:48:49,100 --> 01:48:53,500
long, I have to get a whole new
software I've got to spend, I

1836
01:48:53,500 --> 01:48:57,500
don't know, hundred 2:00
reformatting stuff because it's

1837
01:48:57,500 --> 01:48:59,300
not compatible.
And I have to delete all the

1838
01:48:59,308 --> 01:49:02,900
hyperlinks, and there's special
stuff that I've done in that

1839
01:49:02,900 --> 01:49:06,400
volume so that you can skip
Replace the place quickly and

1840
01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:08,400
get where you want quickly,
either.

1841
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:10,100
Delete all that stuff in print
version.

1842
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:13,700
And then the, you know, the
conversion issues.

1843
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:16,800
It's a mess, on the other hand,
if I create a print version.

1844
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:19,500
So that's what everybody wants
to turn that into a digital

1845
01:49:19,500 --> 01:49:22,100
cross-referencing version
nightmare.

1846
01:49:22,100 --> 01:49:26,200
I'm so much work.
So in doing the crowdfunding

1847
01:49:26,200 --> 01:49:29,500
what I'm hoping to find out is
what do people want?

1848
01:49:29,500 --> 01:49:31,700
And that's what I'll make.
I got you.

1849
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:35,700
So the crowdfunding I only
allows you to To have the funds

1850
01:49:35,700 --> 01:49:39,900
available to deliver a product,
but it also allows people to

1851
01:49:39,900 --> 01:49:43,200
dictate the product.
They want to receive exactly.

1852
01:49:43,500 --> 01:49:47,700
So if I could tell people a
little bit about it, yeah,

1853
01:49:47,700 --> 01:49:50,300
specifically now that might make
more sense.

1854
01:49:50,300 --> 01:49:52,400
So the first thing I want is
original text.

1855
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:55,800
I mentioned that already.
So I'm going through the seven

1856
01:49:55,800 --> 01:50:01,300
extent versions of most of the
sections and in creating his

1857
01:50:01,300 --> 01:50:03,400
original as possible of what I
can do.

1858
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:07,000
And when there's any question,
you know, the common DNC 89,

1859
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:10,900
that says, you should only eat
meat and famine or times of

1860
01:50:10,900 --> 01:50:13,300
winter and versus, you should
always eat it.

1861
01:50:13,300 --> 01:50:16,200
Even no matter if it's summer,
winter famine, that comma

1862
01:50:16,200 --> 01:50:17,500
problem.
That's their right.

1863
01:50:17,800 --> 01:50:19,800
That's going to be a big
footnote, you know.

1864
01:50:19,800 --> 01:50:23,300
And I've seen people write whole
papers on that particular issue,

1865
01:50:23,700 --> 01:50:24,900
I'm just going to write some
beefy.

1866
01:50:24,900 --> 01:50:27,000
Footnotes, put some references
there.

1867
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:29,300
Let people be aware.
There's an issue here.

1868
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:32,000
How do you want interpret?
That's your business.

1869
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:35,000
Now, I'm just telling you what
it says and what the change was

1870
01:50:35,300 --> 01:50:37,500
and you can decide what to how
to interpret.

1871
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:39,800
So.
So there's that.

1872
01:50:39,900 --> 01:50:44,900
So original text with analysis
is without getting too Technical

1873
01:50:44,900 --> 01:50:48,000
and to academic to boggy.
I try and just if it's dr.

1874
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:50,100
Lee significant, I mention it.
If it's not doctrinally.

1875
01:50:50,100 --> 01:50:52,600
Interesting, it's super
interesting historically.

1876
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:55,500
It's not going to be there.
It's only if it is changing

1877
01:50:55,500 --> 01:50:58,900
something.
Doctrinal what and what I'm

1878
01:50:58,900 --> 01:51:02,800
going to do Do is do a monthly
monthly release of sections of

1879
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:07,400
the Doctrine and Covenants.
So as I'm doing the work, the

1880
01:51:07,400 --> 01:51:09,500
reader will be able to get
access to that.

1881
01:51:09,500 --> 01:51:12,200
I'm Dave, have a specific order
that I'm planning on.

1882
01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:15,500
I do know that there are certain
sections that I want to hit.

1883
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:20,700
I won't hit 84 and 88, I'm 32,
you know, the big sections but

1884
01:51:20,700 --> 01:51:25,900
literally, you know, the the top
five seconds I want to do or 80%

1885
01:51:25,900 --> 01:51:28,200
of Doctrine and Covenants, as
far as the actual work done.

1886
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:31,200
So I'm not going to it all of
those immediately but I want to

1887
01:51:31,208 --> 01:51:33,600
hit those pretty early on
because I want people to see the

1888
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:36,000
value.
That is really here, I know what

1889
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:38,600
the value is.
I've experienced it, I've had

1890
01:51:38,600 --> 01:51:42,600
this kind of way.
Mine broadening experience in

1891
01:51:42,600 --> 01:51:46,800
doing this project today, but I
think people need to experience

1892
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:50,500
it for themselves to really
understand what's what the value

1893
01:51:50,500 --> 01:51:53,100
is.
So I'm going to every month.

1894
01:51:53,100 --> 01:51:55,300
We released it.
Everybody's on my emailing list.

1895
01:51:55,300 --> 01:51:59,100
A PDF.
That will have the original text

1896
01:51:59,800 --> 01:52:03,400
if the if it's like 84 was
received on different dates,

1897
01:52:03,400 --> 01:52:06,600
it's going to show a different
sex subheading for each one so

1898
01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:09,300
you can immediately just
visually see, this was received

1899
01:52:09,300 --> 01:52:11,100
on different.
They all have a date showing

1900
01:52:11,100 --> 01:52:15,100
there something so that you can
be more aware of some details

1901
01:52:15,100 --> 01:52:17,600
like that, that changes your
interpretation sometimes and it

1902
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:23,400
should right there.
What makes a big deal DNC 19

1903
01:52:23,400 --> 01:52:26,500
when it was first published in
include all that we have now and

1904
01:52:26,600 --> 01:52:30,300
And I think some of the more
important parts came later, but

1905
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:32,900
you have a different context or
if you know it's they were

1906
01:52:32,900 --> 01:52:34,600
received different dates, you
know.

1907
01:52:36,200 --> 01:52:40,000
So anyway, I'm going to do that
on a monthly basis and I'm

1908
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:43,600
offering for people if they
don't have a lot of money, they

1909
01:52:43,600 --> 01:52:47,900
just want to help you know, I've
got five bucks, they can get DNC

1910
01:52:47,900 --> 01:52:52,300
76, PDF and ePub versions.
You know, if they want to do

1911
01:52:52,300 --> 01:52:56,400
like 20 bucks or something, they
can get, whatever 2013.

1912
01:52:56,700 --> 01:53:00,000
You didn't say, I don't remember
how many added for each and then

1913
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:03,000
they'll just receive those on a
monthly basis until they get the

1914
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:05,500
ones they paid for.
They want to do more, they can

1915
01:53:05,500 --> 01:53:09,100
do more, if they want to be
done, they can be done and then,

1916
01:53:09,100 --> 01:53:11,200
you know, in everybody else can
decide.

1917
01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:15,800
We want this Digital Youth lover
version, that's the academic,

1918
01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:20,800
get everything, quick access.
Or we want the traditional

1919
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:24,900
scripture version or some people
have asked me what you do a

1920
01:53:24,907 --> 01:53:26,900
collector's edition.
Some people said Want to do a

1921
01:53:26,907 --> 01:53:35,500
large print edition.
I spent one year, in college, at

1922
01:53:35,500 --> 01:53:39,600
least, a half hour day reading,
first Nephi one, just the first

1923
01:53:40,500 --> 01:53:41,800
verse.
I personally find that person,

1924
01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:44,900
if I, when I read first Nephi,
and I went through, and I read

1925
01:53:44,900 --> 01:53:47,500
all the cross-references and all
that sort of stuff, and it was

1926
01:53:47,500 --> 01:53:51,300
exhausting going through all the
computer-generated stuff to be

1927
01:53:51,300 --> 01:53:55,500
like, oh, it used this word.
So, I got a cross reference here

1928
01:53:55,500 --> 01:53:59,100
for this word, you know.
If they're not useful, right?

1929
01:53:59,500 --> 01:54:01,500
You much crap in it so people
don't want to use them.

1930
01:54:02,200 --> 01:54:06,200
So, I've been going through
every one of those, in only

1931
01:54:06,200 --> 01:54:08,900
using the pregnant.
Once if it adds something to the

1932
01:54:08,900 --> 01:54:12,500
discussion on footnoting it, if
it doesn't, I'm deleting, it's

1933
01:54:12,500 --> 01:54:15,500
gone.
And I'm using horse and Pratt's

1934
01:54:15,500 --> 01:54:19,300
1879 references that he
hand-picked.

1935
01:54:20,100 --> 01:54:23,000
And I'm going through those the
same way so that if there's a

1936
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:25,300
footnote, it's going to be worth
reading.

1937
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:29,800
But one of the things I've
learned is a lot of the

1938
01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:33,000
footnotes they could be placed
in eight different places.

1939
01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:38,200
Really fits for any of these
eight verses, so I just put him

1940
01:54:38,200 --> 01:54:41,100
in a subject header.
Hmm, really?

1941
01:54:41,100 --> 01:54:45,100
You know, somebody might say,
you know, DNC 76 is awesome.

1942
01:54:45,100 --> 01:54:47,400
I really love the section about
Lucifer falling from heaven and

1943
01:54:47,400 --> 01:54:50,900
I've always wondered what made
somebody fall once you know

1944
01:54:51,400 --> 01:54:54,900
everything's awesome there, you
know, there's everybody's happy.

1945
01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:58,300
There's peace.
Bad guys are kicked out.

1946
01:54:58,700 --> 01:55:02,400
What's the fight about, you
know, in in this answers, the

1947
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:05,300
question, you know, and maybe
they talk a little bit more.

1948
01:55:05,700 --> 01:55:09,800
They're not referencing Dean's.
He 76180 right, right?

1949
01:55:11,300 --> 01:55:15,100
Ten verses all at once.
So I do SUB headers for

1950
01:55:15,100 --> 01:55:17,100
different sections just like
Christians do.

1951
01:55:17,100 --> 01:55:20,000
It makes it a lot of bets had
the original new test was

1952
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:23,600
actually written was they had
headers to divide up sections

1953
01:55:24,200 --> 01:55:26,900
since they started doing any
formatting at all shit, It's a

1954
01:55:27,700 --> 01:55:30,500
and it makes it.
So you read a story instead of

1955
01:55:31,400 --> 01:55:34,300
isolating scriptures.
When we isolate verse by verse

1956
01:55:34,300 --> 01:55:36,900
like that people like pull one
verse and then they like argue

1957
01:55:36,900 --> 01:55:39,300
their point with that one verse.
But when you look at it in

1958
01:55:39,300 --> 01:55:44,200
context, it doesn't say that
write papers to argue crap.

1959
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:46,500
They're taking all sorts of
stuff out of context, it's

1960
01:55:46,500 --> 01:55:48,400
easier to see.
That's what's happening.

1961
01:55:48,800 --> 01:55:52,400
If you're reading a paragraph
form and in sections like that,

1962
01:55:52,500 --> 01:55:55,900
right, in?
And when you reading cross

1963
01:55:55,900 --> 01:55:58,400
references, Has you know you
don't want to get into the DNC,

1964
01:55:58,400 --> 01:56:02,700
876 18 and read something that
should have been for footnotes

1965
01:56:02,700 --> 01:56:04,900
higher.
To give you a broad perspective

1966
01:56:04,900 --> 01:56:07,200
of what you're going to read,
you know, right.

1967
01:56:07,600 --> 01:56:11,200
So that's that's one of the
things that I'm doing and though

1968
01:56:11,200 --> 01:56:16,200
that will those things will be
in all the versions but it is as

1969
01:56:16,200 --> 01:56:20,700
producing this I realized
fundamentalist have ridiculous

1970
01:56:20,700 --> 01:56:22,600
amount of different beliefs, you
know.

1971
01:56:23,400 --> 01:56:26,900
I know people who are like
Revelation ended with Joseph.

1972
01:56:27,600 --> 01:56:29,700
I know people are like
Revelation ended with Brigham.

1973
01:56:29,900 --> 01:56:32,200
I know people are Revolution
ended with Wilfred Woodruff

1974
01:56:33,400 --> 01:56:37,500
Revelation ended with Joseph
Smith, whatever, you know.

1975
01:56:37,500 --> 01:56:42,100
And then they're like, okay,
well, you only went through

1976
01:56:42,300 --> 01:56:44,500
1999.
I want Lauren see, Willie's

1977
01:56:44,500 --> 01:56:47,500
teachings, or I want just of
Masters teachings or I want

1978
01:56:47,500 --> 01:56:50,500
rulon, Jeff's, teachings, or,
you know, all these different

1979
01:56:50,500 --> 01:56:52,900
things.
Where do you stop, right?

1980
01:56:53,500 --> 01:56:57,500
One of the things that I thought
is if people want a different

1981
01:56:57,500 --> 01:57:03,000
editions just Joseph then you
can you can purchase that.

1982
01:57:03,800 --> 01:57:06,400
You just say drew.
I'll give you this much money.

1983
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:08,900
I want you to delete every
reference that isn't Joseph

1984
01:57:08,900 --> 01:57:13,700
Smith, you know, or every
reference after 1850 to or

1985
01:57:13,900 --> 01:57:16,200
whatever it is there.
I don't care what they choose.

1986
01:57:16,300 --> 01:57:18,900
You know, it's going to take me
a boatload of time to go and

1987
01:57:18,900 --> 01:57:21,100
delete all that stuff.
Right?

1988
01:57:21,400 --> 01:57:24,600
And choose you know how Format
it, and get all that stuff.

1989
01:57:24,600 --> 01:57:29,200
And and I've been preparing for
that in advance that takes extra

1990
01:57:29,200 --> 01:57:31,600
time to.
And so the only way they can do

1991
01:57:31,600 --> 01:57:35,400
that and and so that if somebody
also says, Hey, I want an

1992
01:57:35,400 --> 01:57:40,300
audiobook version that's really
problematic.

1993
01:57:41,700 --> 01:57:44,300
If you have speech if I do it,
that's awesome.

1994
01:57:44,700 --> 01:57:47,200
But speechify.
I will read one.

1995
01:57:47,700 --> 01:57:51,200
Read the verse to read the first
three, right?

1996
01:57:51,700 --> 01:57:53,400
Say the footnote, you know.
Or whatever.

1997
01:57:54,200 --> 01:57:56,500
So there's a lot of formatting
stuff you have to do to create

1998
01:57:56,500 --> 01:58:00,300
an audio book which I've thought
long and hard about how to do it

1999
01:58:00,300 --> 01:58:04,700
and I'm preparing that as well
so that that can happen and then

2000
01:58:04,700 --> 01:58:07,000
you have to decide as a
commentary come at the end of

2001
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:11,300
DNC 76 or the end of each
section or did the interrupt

2002
01:58:11,300 --> 01:58:14,000
each verse to get read the
commentary, or where do you put

2003
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:17,600
that with the speech by that's
you know, and I say speechify

2004
01:58:17,600 --> 01:58:20,100
because otherwise you can pay
somebody tangram to do.

2005
01:58:20,100 --> 01:58:22,400
All the doctrine convinces is
going to be a thousand people

2006
01:58:22,400 --> 01:58:24,300
get police.
Right?

2007
01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:27,500
And you get paid somebody big
bucks to do that.

2008
01:58:27,500 --> 01:58:30,800
You can, you can either spend,
you know, ten fifteen thousand,

2009
01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:34,900
whatever it is to hire a voice
actor in do it.

2010
01:58:35,000 --> 01:58:38,400
Or you can just have me, spend a
very fraction of that.

2011
01:58:38,700 --> 01:58:41,700
Formatting the book so that
speech if I can just read it.

2012
01:58:42,500 --> 01:58:45,900
And and so that's something
like, is that something people

2013
01:58:45,900 --> 01:58:47,900
want or not?
I mean, some people say audio is

2014
01:58:47,907 --> 01:58:49,800
the best way to go.
I don't have time to read all

2015
01:58:49,800 --> 01:58:53,500
that, but I listen to it while
I'm driving, I Into it while I'm

2016
01:58:53,500 --> 01:58:56,500
at work, I listen to it while
I'm in the shop or whatever it

2017
01:58:56,500 --> 01:58:59,600
is, people are doing so that may
be something that people are

2018
01:58:59,600 --> 01:59:02,900
super interested in.
And but I don't know until you

2019
01:59:02,900 --> 01:59:06,600
know and I don't I can't like
pull 10,000 people and find out,

2020
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:09,400
right?
But you know, if people are

2021
01:59:09,400 --> 01:59:11,800
interested, they'll fund it.
And if they're not they won't

2022
01:59:11,800 --> 01:59:15,000
and then I just won't do it and
I'll try again later after you

2023
01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:18,200
know, after I do whatever
versions I put out, then I'll

2024
01:59:18,200 --> 01:59:21,300
try another one and see people
interested now, you know?

2025
01:59:21,800 --> 01:59:22,800
Yeah.
That's that's obvious.

2026
01:59:23,000 --> 01:59:25,100
Options work, they're like well
we love that happened.

2027
01:59:25,100 --> 01:59:29,500
Now we want to like this so I
can do custom versions deleting

2028
01:59:29,500 --> 01:59:34,800
stuff, but I can also, I'm
offering to add stuff and

2029
01:59:34,800 --> 01:59:39,100
frankly, I'm independent I don't
belong to any group right now.

2030
01:59:39,600 --> 01:59:45,100
If I did, I'd choose a certain
group but I don't, you know, I

2031
01:59:45,100 --> 01:59:48,800
would be fascinating to read.
What other groups, prophets

2032
01:59:48,800 --> 01:59:50,100
Apostles, whatever you want to
call.

2033
01:59:50,100 --> 01:59:54,400
People have said that about
being see, Sections and what

2034
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:56,700
they're teaching about it.
And if they want to provide me

2035
01:59:56,800 --> 02:00:01,800
here, here is the five volumes
of so-and-so's teachings.

2036
02:00:02,200 --> 02:00:05,700
And all the references to the
doctor covenants are listed in

2037
02:00:05,700 --> 02:00:07,800
just plug and play, and put them
in there for us.

2038
02:00:07,900 --> 02:00:12,500
I'm happy to do it, you know.
And so, so then it's not your

2039
02:00:12,500 --> 02:00:16,200
group versus my group or I, you
know, Dane Drew did all the way

2040
02:00:16,200 --> 02:00:17,700
to 1919.
You should have cut it off,

2041
02:00:17,700 --> 02:00:20,800
local wood chips to jerk and me
to whatever whatever people feel

2042
02:00:21,000 --> 02:00:22,000
you know.
Right.

2043
02:00:22,200 --> 02:00:24,700
I pass all You want one doesn't
have more fun with your file,

2044
02:00:24,700 --> 02:00:25,800
make it for you.
I don't care.

2045
02:00:26,500 --> 02:00:30,400
You know, I even though I would
go through 1919, I'd be

2046
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:32,000
interested to have one that we
just went through.

2047
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:34,400
Joseph, you know, nobody bunch
of stuff.

2048
02:00:34,400 --> 02:00:37,500
Would he say about it on all
these different issues?

2049
02:00:37,500 --> 02:00:39,900
I think that'd be an interesting
volume to have.

2050
02:00:40,800 --> 02:00:43,100
Yeah, so absolutely happy.
Do it all.

2051
02:00:43,600 --> 02:00:47,500
Absolutely.
So when where can they find you

2052
02:00:47,500 --> 02:00:48,900
said, you're gonna go through
patreon.

2053
02:00:48,900 --> 02:00:52,500
Is that correct?
Probably Indiegogo will be the

2054
02:00:52,500 --> 02:00:54,000
main.
Stay Indiegogo.

2055
02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:56,200
Okay, I don't know if Patron
makes sense or not.

2056
02:00:56,200 --> 02:01:02,000
It does for my monthly get a DNC
section each month or 125.

2057
02:01:02,200 --> 02:01:04,500
Depends on how fast I go, you
know, right?

2058
02:01:05,200 --> 02:01:09,400
So I might do both.
I haven't decided I, absolutely

2059
02:01:09,400 --> 02:01:12,600
for sure.
We'll be doing Indiegogo because

2060
02:01:12,600 --> 02:01:16,800
I think that's the easiest way
to patreon is just

2061
02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:19,300
subscription-based.
It's just a month month thing,

2062
02:01:19,700 --> 02:01:21,300
but I've already had people say,
it look.

2063
02:01:21,300 --> 02:01:23,500
I want to donate so much money.
Do I do?

2064
02:01:23,800 --> 02:01:27,800
And I already had somebody send
me a check and and which

2065
02:01:27,800 --> 02:01:29,900
actually ended up being nice
because it allowed me to form an

2066
02:01:29,900 --> 02:01:34,500
LLC and do all the formal stuff
I should be doing for this and I

2067
02:01:34,500 --> 02:01:38,200
didn't have the funds for it.
So John that was actually really

2068
02:01:38,200 --> 02:01:42,600
nice but I I know from that.
Not everybody's gonna want to do

2069
02:01:42,600 --> 02:01:45,200
a subscription.
They want to find the scripture

2070
02:01:45,200 --> 02:01:48,900
version of the they want to
fund, you know, a bigger chunk

2071
02:01:48,900 --> 02:01:50,900
or they at least 110 copies the
hardcover.

2072
02:01:50,900 --> 02:01:53,100
When it comes to town, you know,
Whatever.

2073
02:01:53,100 --> 02:01:57,000
So I'm going to be doing it
Indiegogo if listeners are

2074
02:01:57,000 --> 02:02:01,500
interested, email me at Drew
Briny at gmail.com and I will

2075
02:02:01,500 --> 02:02:05,200
put you on my email list and
notify you when I'm crowdfunding

2076
02:02:05,800 --> 02:02:10,300
and therefore if somebody's
listening to this and it's April

2077
02:02:10,300 --> 02:02:14,800
15th and of crowdfunding is half
over and they can't find it,

2078
02:02:14,900 --> 02:02:17,600
they can just email me and I'll
get them the information they

2079
02:02:17,600 --> 02:02:22,000
can go find it, okay?
So I will be launching on April

2080
02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:26,100
4th.
And there are specific reasons

2081
02:02:26,100 --> 02:02:29,300
for that people trying to find
crowdfunding do better on

2082
02:02:29,300 --> 02:02:31,100
certain days of the week, some
launching on that day.

2083
02:02:31,100 --> 02:02:32,400
The week.
It's two days before the

2084
02:02:32,400 --> 02:02:36,900
restoration of the church and
there are all sorts of really

2085
02:02:36,900 --> 02:02:38,700
interesting.
Things happening in church

2086
02:02:38,700 --> 02:02:40,500
history.
Dealing with scripture

2087
02:02:40,500 --> 02:02:44,600
publication during that month.
And so, I will be listing

2088
02:02:44,600 --> 02:02:49,400
updates and stuff on the site
and on my Facebook page, which

2089
02:02:49,400 --> 02:02:54,700
is facebook.com slash forgotten
Mormon, teaches Things and I'll

2090
02:02:54,700 --> 02:02:58,100
be doing updates on they're
talking about different stuff.

2091
02:02:58,100 --> 02:03:04,500
I'm learning from this project
doing DNC revisions and

2092
02:03:04,500 --> 02:03:08,900
preparing stuff and so forth and
putting up more explanation of

2093
02:03:08,900 --> 02:03:11,000
specific details.
Like some people are like I

2094
02:03:11,008 --> 02:03:14,100
don't get this cross-referencing
thing doesn't make any sense to

2095
02:03:14,100 --> 02:03:15,800
me.
So I did a video of it's already

2096
02:03:15,800 --> 02:03:19,000
posted.
Why are you doing subheaders the

2097
02:03:19,000 --> 02:03:21,700
way you're doing?
I'll probably do a video on that

2098
02:03:21,700 --> 02:03:25,200
and, you know, Why are you
offering a version that cuts off

2099
02:03:25,200 --> 02:03:27,900
at Brigham Young, or what?
If I want one that cuts off it

2100
02:03:28,100 --> 02:03:31,100
this other time instead, can you
do only the prophets?

2101
02:03:31,100 --> 02:03:35,000
But not the 12 apostles, or, you
know, just addressing all those

2102
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:37,100
types of things.
I'll be doing videos and updates

2103
02:03:37,100 --> 02:03:42,100
at both places.
Awesome on Facebook or on pick

2104
02:03:42,100 --> 02:03:48,000
on Indiegogo but I will have
links to that on my Facebook

2105
02:03:48,000 --> 02:03:52,500
page but if somebody just emails
me directly, I'll I'll get them.

2106
02:03:52,500 --> 02:03:55,800
The all the original information
that I've already sent out to my

2107
02:03:55,800 --> 02:03:59,900
mailing list and any update
updates up until that point,

2108
02:04:00,800 --> 02:04:02,700
dude.
What a great work here.

2109
02:04:02,700 --> 02:04:06,500
You're you're doing.
I can't I can't even begin to

2110
02:04:06,500 --> 02:04:12,400
tell you just what kind?
Kind of resource.

2111
02:04:12,400 --> 02:04:15,100
This will be for people.
It is.

2112
02:04:15,100 --> 02:04:21,300
I can't think of a more noble
and more noble cause because for

2113
02:04:21,300 --> 02:04:24,000
so long.
We I think all of us have more

2114
02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:30,500
as Mormons have wondered, what,
what is, what did Joseph teach?

2115
02:04:30,500 --> 02:04:34,600
Right?
We have a lot of secondhand

2116
02:04:34,600 --> 02:04:39,100
third-hand accounts but we don't
know exactly what he Caught.

2117
02:04:39,300 --> 02:04:42,600
So I feel like it is super
worthwhile.

2118
02:04:42,700 --> 02:04:45,700
I can't tell you just I'm
excited for it.

2119
02:04:46,500 --> 02:04:48,300
I also like how you're
approaching it?

2120
02:04:48,300 --> 02:04:55,400
Where you're not trying to put a
spin on it, right?

2121
02:04:55,400 --> 02:04:56,800
You're just saying here's the
data.

2122
02:04:57,100 --> 02:05:00,800
Here's what we have make of it.
What you will?

2123
02:05:01,800 --> 02:05:07,400
yeah, and I think that's that's
really The only way you can do

2124
02:05:07,400 --> 02:05:11,900
good history when it comes to a
religious context, right?

2125
02:05:12,400 --> 02:05:15,200
And so, and I just think it's
awesome.

2126
02:05:16,500 --> 02:05:18,200
Thanks, I appreciate.
I appreciate that.

2127
02:05:18,200 --> 02:05:22,900
I think, for people who don't
know me, that's what I did with

2128
02:05:22,900 --> 02:05:25,500
understanding.
Adam God, teachings and frankly,

2129
02:05:25,500 --> 02:05:28,700
I've only had one comment in the
last.

2130
02:05:28,900 --> 02:05:33,500
It's been 18 years now that was
negative about my approach to

2131
02:05:33,500 --> 02:05:37,500
that saying, I had an axe to
crying I got really turned off

2132
02:05:37,500 --> 02:05:40,500
when I started studying, Mormon
fundamentalism, because

2133
02:05:40,500 --> 02:05:43,700
everybody was, I'm the boss.
Listen to me.

2134
02:05:43,900 --> 02:05:45,000
I'm the boss.
Listen to me.

2135
02:05:45,600 --> 02:05:48,200
And even if they were, I didn't
know who they were.

2136
02:05:49,100 --> 02:05:52,300
Right.
And, you know, I've got to.

2137
02:05:52,500 --> 02:05:56,000
Now, I've got go and pray and
find out who's got the keys of

2138
02:05:56,000 --> 02:05:58,000
the priesthood.
So I can know which book to

2139
02:05:58,000 --> 02:06:00,800
read.
It's just it just really turned

2140
02:06:00,800 --> 02:06:02,800
me off.
I'm like right here.

2141
02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:04,300
What you think?
I want to know what Brigham

2142
02:06:04,300 --> 02:06:06,600
thought I want to know.
Joseph time I want to know what

2143
02:06:06,600 --> 02:06:10,800
Lauren's us no time and you know
it, anybody after that I've got

2144
02:06:10,800 --> 02:06:13,700
to pray about.
So that's that's the kind of

2145
02:06:13,700 --> 02:06:18,100
resource I want to create and if
I can I want to mention two more

2146
02:06:18,100 --> 02:06:23,200
things in connection with this
project and it's on a totally

2147
02:06:23,200 --> 02:06:27,200
different level but they will
eventually be connected.

2148
02:06:28,100 --> 02:06:31,900
I have had compiled somewhere
between four and six hundred

2149
02:06:31,900 --> 02:06:36,300
pages of teachings of Joseph
Smith that we were in journals

2150
02:06:36,700 --> 02:06:43,000
or in informal places and and
I'm cross-referencing all of

2151
02:06:43,000 --> 02:06:47,900
that with the tea PJs so that,
you know, that that can go both

2152
02:06:47,900 --> 02:06:51,400
directions.
So eventually when this other

2153
02:06:51,400 --> 02:06:54,800
book comes out and it'll be the
the second volume of the one.

2154
02:06:54,800 --> 02:06:57,500
I printed recently, Joseph,
Smith's doctrines and insights.

2155
02:06:57,500 --> 02:07:02,200
This will be here saying journal
and volume will be able to take

2156
02:07:02,200 --> 02:07:04,800
the Doctrine and Covenants
version, that I'm working with.

2157
02:07:05,500 --> 02:07:11,100
And look up DNC, 76 12 and pull
up here saying volume, you know,

2158
02:07:11,100 --> 02:07:13,700
the here saying, journals and
see if anybody ever if Joseph

2159
02:07:13,700 --> 02:07:17,600
commented about that according
to these journal entries, right?

2160
02:07:17,700 --> 02:07:23,100
That will just continue to
expand upon what I'm doing at

2161
02:07:23,100 --> 02:07:26,800
any rate.
So I'm real excited to get that

2162
02:07:26,800 --> 02:07:28,700
project done.
But frankly, it's I put on the

2163
02:07:28,700 --> 02:07:30,900
back burner for the this DNC
project.

2164
02:07:30,900 --> 02:07:39,900
So anyway, That's awesome.
Well dude, I can't wait for it

2165
02:07:39,900 --> 02:07:45,300
to be done or at least started
in full i-i'll all laugh on that

2166
02:07:45,300 --> 02:07:48,500
thing all day long.
So you'll you got one in me at

2167
02:07:48,500 --> 02:07:52,200
least.
So this looks like what's up?

2168
02:07:52,800 --> 02:07:54,600
It's sweet.
Yep.

2169
02:07:55,000 --> 02:08:01,000
So this will come out probably
the 8th of April which is the

2170
02:08:01,000 --> 02:08:03,700
Saturday after the fourth.
Okay.

2171
02:08:04,000 --> 02:08:08,800
So Hopefully that works for you.
If it's not, I can, I can

2172
02:08:08,800 --> 02:08:13,700
expedite it, typically, with
crowdfunding half of your money.

2173
02:08:13,700 --> 02:08:15,800
50% your money comes the first
two days.

2174
02:08:15,800 --> 02:08:20,900
So that'll be by April 6th at
the latest, but your last 50

2175
02:08:20,900 --> 02:08:25,300
percent doesn't come like over
the whole long haul.

2176
02:08:25,300 --> 02:08:28,600
It comes the last two days
funding, okay?

2177
02:08:28,600 --> 02:08:33,100
Like you literally get 95% of
all your findings in his first

2178
02:08:33,100 --> 02:08:35,900
two days and last two days.
And then It just trickles on in

2179
02:08:35,900 --> 02:08:40,000
the middle but people are
watching and following and, you

2180
02:08:40,000 --> 02:08:42,400
know, so that's kind of bringing
people in who missed the first

2181
02:08:42,400 --> 02:08:45,500
part of the boat.
But they're going to follow

2182
02:08:45,500 --> 02:08:48,400
what's happening and get the
updates and see all that.

2183
02:08:48,400 --> 02:08:52,500
And then say yeah I'm ready and
it on unless they so I won't

2184
02:08:52,500 --> 02:08:56,500
actually know until the 45 days
or over and I think that's me

2185
02:08:56,500 --> 02:09:01,100
19.
How much good all of the stuff

2186
02:09:01,100 --> 02:09:03,500
that happens after the fourth
help.

2187
02:09:03,500 --> 02:09:06,400
I'll tell you what else?
I'll Do I'll go ahead in on

2188
02:09:06,400 --> 02:09:09,200
every episode until that 45 days
is over.

2189
02:09:09,200 --> 02:09:12,100
Drew, I'll go ahead and put in a
separate plug.

2190
02:09:12,500 --> 02:09:16,200
I'll record an ad and put that
in there that way too.

2191
02:09:16,500 --> 02:09:19,400
So we're even catching them
beforehand.

2192
02:09:20,000 --> 02:09:24,000
So and if you got the link, send
me the link and then I'll put

2193
02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:28,100
that in every episode page.
I do while that 45 days is

2194
02:09:28,100 --> 02:09:31,300
active.
Okay, sweet.

2195
02:09:31,800 --> 02:09:35,800
Well the 45 days starts on April
4th and goes maybe 19th.

2196
02:09:35,800 --> 02:09:38,200
But anything before then it'd be
super helpful to.

2197
02:09:38,500 --> 02:09:42,200
I don't have a link in won't
have a live length until April

2198
02:09:42,200 --> 02:09:47,300
4th but I can send them to my
Facebook page and perfect.

2199
02:09:47,600 --> 02:09:50,200
And then when it goes live there
then they have to link to take

2200
02:09:50,200 --> 02:09:53,700
them there and then when I get
it then I can give you that one.

2201
02:09:54,900 --> 02:09:58,200
Ya know what's, let's do that.
Let's let me.

2202
02:09:58,200 --> 02:10:01,600
Let's yeah, I can.
And them there, I'll plug it.

2203
02:10:01,800 --> 02:10:06,400
Like I said, every episode I
have until that 45 days is over.

2204
02:10:07,500 --> 02:10:12,400
Sweet that.
Yeah, that's I super appreciate

2205
02:10:12,400 --> 02:10:16,300
that.
I just I You know, Part of Me,

2206
02:10:16,300 --> 02:10:18,700
Part of Me the, the whole
crowdfunding thing to do is

2207
02:10:18,700 --> 02:10:21,600
scripture set, was really
difficult for me to decide and

2208
02:10:21,600 --> 02:10:23,800
swallow.
And part of me is like, this is

2209
02:10:23,800 --> 02:10:25,900
never going to get done without
it and I want it down.

2210
02:10:26,600 --> 02:10:28,800
Yes, like I'm giving it
everything I've got.

2211
02:10:29,400 --> 02:10:35,000
So I think it needs to get done.
So and whatever we can do here

2212
02:10:35,000 --> 02:10:40,900
on, on my side to help.
I'm I'm I'm totally in right.

2213
02:10:41,600 --> 02:11:06,900
All right, bye everybody.
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2214
02:11:06,900 --> 02:11:06,900
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2215
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