Episode #49: Therefore Choose Life W/Deanna Holland of Pro-Life Utah

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podcast, stop the podcast and
get him out of the room.

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Younger children should not be
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I take every episode of this
podcast, seriously, but this

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episode.
It's as serious as a heart

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attack, I had a good friend.
Once said, if you look at the

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Old Testament, God finally,
let's judgment come to Israel.

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Every time they start,
Sacrificing their children to

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Baal and moloch.
Well the practice of sacrificing

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children is still here and I'm
not just speaking metaphorically

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on the podcast today, I have on
Deanna Holland, she is one of

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the organizers of pro-life Utah.
Today we have a conversation

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about abortion.
We cover the history of this

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horror show, both pre and post
Roe v-- Wade.

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Then we talk about the actual
practice.

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After that, we talk about the
Dobbs decision and what it

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actually means regarding ending
the practice of abortion and you

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Splash it isn't great.
Eight.

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Finally, we talked about what we
can do to do as Moses said, and

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choose life and join the fight.
I'm pretty used to receiving a

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certain amount of hate mail by
doing this podcast.

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But after this episode, I think
that's going to go up tenfold

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and I'm just fine with that.
I've counted the cost and I'll

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die on this hill.
This just might be the most

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important episode I've done to
date.

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Well DNA, it's nice to have you
on the podcast.

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I can't tell you how excited I
am that you're here.

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Thank you.
I'm excited to be here.

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So I gotta tell you.
This is one of those topics

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where people say, it's the third
rail of politics, right?

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Don't touch it right day.
I want to touch it.

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I want to jump on it.
I want to throw it around.

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I really want to get to the
bottom of all of it, so to

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speak.
Because because I think there's

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two reasons here, one is that
when we think about How

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important this topic is
abortion?

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We're dealing with human lives.
Now, the the other side can call

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it a fetus, a clump of cells, or
whatever.

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But at no place, I've had six
children.

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No at no point in that.
Just a tional period.

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Will that clump of cells be
anything.

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Except a human being, it won't
be a Coke, can it won't be an

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orange and it will never turn
into a transmission to a 79

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Buick.
That is a person The other

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reason it's been so important to
me is because two of my six kids

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we adopted and we adopted them
from a from my sister and she

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was on meth and she was the
Twins were in horrible shape.

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And I remember I was always been
pro-life, but this made me like

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way pro-life.
I I was talking to one of the

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doctors and he said, had we had
our druthers, we would have went

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ahead and aborted.
Those Twins, and I watched those

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twins fight for every scrap of
Life.

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They got right?
I mean, and it took many

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surgeries and it took many many
hours of physical therapy, but

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today, they're 17 years old and
they hold jobs and they go to

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work and crap.
I didn't want start this

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already.
They They thrive in school and

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they have a bright bright future
ahead of them.

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And so, when I start talking
about this topic, it really is

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one of those things that has
turned me into the moat for the

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most part into, like a one-issue
voter, right?

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I'm like, tell me where you
stand on the side of life and

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then we can talk about
everything else from there.

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So, it's just an honor to be
able to speak with you as you

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represent.
Isn't pro-life Utah here and

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yeah so I just really can't pre
tell you how much I appreciate

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you being here.
Oh thank you.

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Thank you so much.
So my see you in the twins.

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Yeah yeah.
Well my wife really is the rock

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star there.
But real quick.

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What got you into this fight?
Okay.

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So I was a mom, I was an
apprentice for a home birth

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Midwife.
So I went to a lot of births and

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I wanted to get involved.
I had this desire.

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I kept looking online to see if
there was an organization.

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I could join something I could
do and all I found were National

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organizations, right?
And I didn't have a lot of

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money, right?
Then I had time and I had

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passion and so off and on every
couple of Years.

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I'd look.
And I'd try to figure out what I

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could do and there just wasn't
something.

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And in 2016 I heard an
advertisement or saw something

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that the March for Life was
coming up the national March in

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DC and God really put it on my
heart to go to the local March

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and I thinking that, you know,
we live in Utah.

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There must be a local, March
decided I was going to go and so

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I literally joined Facebook.
That's Day to see if I could

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figure out where.
And when the local March was,

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and that's when I found pro-life
Utah, they were about 5 months

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old, a brand new organization
and they told me there is none.

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And so I said, well to myself, I
guess I can't go and God said, I

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think you should go Deanna, I
think you should do something.

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And so this was just the weekend
before the national March, the

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weekend before, Martin Luther
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Day.
So it was a long weekend and

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finally, I decided if it's just
me and my stroller and my kids,

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and one sign, we were going to
walk from Washington, Square up

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to the Capitol and have our own
little March, and on Sunday, I

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messaged pro-life Utah.
And I said, if I put this on,

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will you guys come?
And they said, yes.

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So I prepared a little speech on
Tuesday.

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I got my permits and on
Wednesday, I started promoting

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it and on Friday we had our
first March for Life in Utah.

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I'm in 2016 and so that's kind
of how I met up with pro-life

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Utah when they were a new
organization and how I got

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started.
They said, hey you seem like a

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go-getter come to our meeting
and that's where I got my title

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and, and where I started because
it was an organization of about

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five or six people.
At that point.

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Holy cow.
What are you up to now?

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I don't even know because we
have so many, we have so many

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volunteers and some of them, you
know, come to our baby showers

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and, and come to our events but
aren't, you know, super

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involved.
So it's really hard for me to

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even count, but a lot and I look
back at, you know, how the five

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of us used to do everything, and
I am so grateful all the time

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because we've grown so much.
There's just no way we could

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operate without our volunteer
Force.

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That's also that's Mmm.
You know, I think we take for

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granted because we live in Utah
that we're just naturally

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pro-life, right?
And then we have this, I don't

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know these blinders on a little
bit.

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I don't know if you want to call
it the bubble or just what it

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is, but we just tend to be like,
well, it's Utah, I mean yeah

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we're pro-life right?
I mean, but that's not

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necessarily the case.
So couple things we you know

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found out a lot of people in
Utah, think that there is no

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abortion in Utah.
And they just aren't educated

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enough to understand that row
held Utah hostage also.

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So the whole entire time I've
been with pro-life, you try we

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have, I've met people over and
over again that say well we

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don't have abortion in Utah so
that's part of the problem,

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right?
Is not even knowing that it's

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here.
And then we have a were so nice

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and you Tha that we don't want
to tell anyone what they should

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do.
And so we get a lot of people

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that feel like, well, I'm
personally pro-life but I don't

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want to tell someone.
One what to do.

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And I'd say that's really
indicative of a lot of the, the

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citizenry sometimes of Utah not
all.

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We have a lot of very wonderful
pro-life people but we don't

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like to boss anybody.
No, no, I know and I get it and

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it's it's one of those things
where you're like sometimes the

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situation calls for a little bit
more boldness.

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Right.
And and I think most people like

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I could be wrong but I think
most people you could wake him

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up for a coma from a coma and be
like now quick.

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It's a human life and they'd be
like, well, yeah, if that's a

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human life.
And and so I tend to look at it

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like it would be a lot like
saying your pro-jewish but you

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don't want to ever tell somebody
else, you know, not to kill him

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during the Holocaust, right?
I mean, it's yeah, if I try to

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do these thought exercises over
and over and I keep coming back

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to it.
So real quick, what was the

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history of?
Of abortion within the United

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States.
I mean, pre pre Roe v-- Wade.

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Yeah, so actually, I looked this
up last night because I hadn't

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really dealt with anything
pre-roll, right?

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Rose been with us.
So long row was there before I

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was born but essentially the
state started passing laws in

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the 1800's to Outlaw abortion
and they were all different

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because these were state laws
and by the Every single state

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had a law against abortion.
So, you know, the United States

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was a pro-life country at that
point and it wasn't until the

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1960s, right?
And that women's movement, that

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we started to look at things
different.

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And even in that women's
movement, they never many of

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those women that fought for the
right for abortion, never

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realized.
What would happen after they got

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it?
Right, I remember reading an

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article about a woman who fought
for Roe who fought for women to

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be able to have abortion because
she thought that it was going to

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be for those rare exception
cases, those women that are

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really in need and in hindsight
as she looked back at what had

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happened since Roe was passed,
she had regret that she had ever

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helped get it passed because it
has become a cultural thing to

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say oh you're in this situation.
You need to have an abortion or

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you're unmarried, you should
have an abortion or you're poor,

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you should have an abortion,
right?

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So the the idea of behind, you
know, why they wanted row some,

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right?
Some of those people in those

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movements during the 60s had to
do with those hardship cases and

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they just didn't realize what
was going to happen once they

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passed it.
So we had that movement really

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started in the 60s.
Margaret Sanger had started the

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organization, the Ended up
becoming Planned Parenthood, way

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back in 1921 so between 1900 and
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You know, we had kind of that
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not really an abortion Desiring
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rights in the 1960s and so Roe.
V-- Wade came in 1971 didn't get

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decided until 1973 on January
22nd. and it opened up abortion

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for all 50 states and the United
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country at that point in time
and You know, row was was huge.

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Can you can imagine going from
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Utah was a no abortion State.
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Now, Utah, having to let women
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of viability.
So I don't know how much, you

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know about row, but row, used, a
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nothing could be restricted in
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Women could just get an
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Anytime, in the first trimester
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Could put some restrictions on,
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And then the third trimester,
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baby states were allowed to, you
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abortions and so that's how
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that first and second, trimester
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this was in the 70s, right?
The other formative case, Was

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unheard.
And yes, Casey, and I'm just

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making sure it was Casey versus
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happened based off of law that
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In 1988 19, 1989, Pennsylvania,
decided to put some restrictions

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on abortions and this included a
24-hour waiting period and minor

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had To at least have one per
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like that and so Pennsylvania
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Of course, their abortion
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sued.
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ruling from the Supreme Court.
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Supreme Court.
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cited, in this case e versus
Planned Parenthood, that states

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are sorry that women had the
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Right to an abortion but the
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potential life.
And so instead of the trimester

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framework they went to a
standard of undue burden, right?

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So in the first and second
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put an undue burden or a
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person, wanting abortion.
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that's kind of where we're at.
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Planned Parenthood was doing
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weeks until Roe v-- Wade, fell
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And I know because I've counted
that we are well over 100,000

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babies killed since Roe.
We didn't even start tracking

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till the 1980s.
And when I started, I counted up

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all of our statistical numbers
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So a few years ago is when I did
this and we were over 100,000 at

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that point.
So we're well over as in babies

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in Utah that have been killed
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Wow, you know, it Because I'm a
huge nerd and I don't sleep a

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lot.
I tend to read a ton.

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And so once I got super
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back and I said, okay, let's
look at what the founders had

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talked about because I tend to
go back there and you can find a

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law all the way back to, like
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Which said that after the time
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illegal to have an abortion.
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what the quickening is and
essentially, it's once you know,

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right?
I mean there wasn't, there

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wasn't a lot of welcome.
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When she can feel the baby move.
Yep.

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Yep.
And and so that was that was a

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huge thing.
The other thing I studied a lot

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on was Margaret Sanger in
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And what people don't realize
is, this is a woman who comes

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from a very broken Home her.
She suffers a massive blow to to

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or family when she's a young
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There are some men that break-in
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I mean, do some horrible,
horrible things, but she becomes

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profoundly racist in in her
later life.

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She refused refused, excuse me.
She she refers to blacks and

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Asian's is human weeds.
And You know, in this might just

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be me and I see the world
through a very black and white

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ones.
I don't like a lot of gray area.

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And so, I tend to look at this,
and I'm like, this has been

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dirty all the way through.
And then you have where she

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makes speeches at klan rallies.
She she ends up partnering up

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with the you Genesis, who were
really the folks who give the

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the Third Reich, the idea of a
final solution.

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I mean, this history is not A
clean history whatsoever.

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And this is a history that I'm
just going to call it like, I

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see it.
And look, I'll be honest.

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If I don't get a strike on
YouTube for this, I haven't done

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my job but she this is a
profoundly evil practice,

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founded in darkness, and evil
and lies.

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So even back, like, even in the
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A role was this big organization
and Bernard.

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Jensen was one of the founding
members of naturale and he ended

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up I mean, pro-life near the end
of his like later, right?

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And he tells how they just lied.
They made up those numbers of

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how many women were dying from
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How many they just made it all
up and the News took it, because

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it was what they wanted to hear,
right?

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It fit the agenda that they had
at the time and so yeah, it's

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profoundly evil.
It's been propped up by allies

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and we still prop it up with
those same.

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Lies even today.
Absolutely absolutely.

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So, when Roe v-- Wade is past
the floodgates kind of come

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open.
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And it is it is the taking of
life on a massive scale that I

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would dare to say mankind has
not seen my prayer.

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Is that one day my kids can look
back on my generation go.

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What what, what the hell is the
matter with them?

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I mean that's that's my hope.
But we've lost millions of lives

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now.
Yeah, over 60 estimated 60

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million in the United States.
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And then it I don't think it's a
secret also that through things

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like UNICEF and other things,
we've kind of helped export that

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overseas, even if I'm not
mistaken.

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I don't know if you have any
information on that or not that

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my fingertips, but yeah, we have
as a country.

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We've pushed that in other
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So now folks, if you have little
kids in the room, I gave a

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warning at the very beginning of
this.

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I want you to cover their ears,
or get them out of the room

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because, you know, this, this
next part.

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So I'm going to be a little
rough.

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Can you just explain so that we
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I'm not what I'm looking for.
Is less score as possible but

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the same time I think it's
important that we be perfectly

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clear on what an abortion is and
how it's done.

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Okay, so if your listeners want
to go and look and see and watch

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a former abortion provider
describe each procedure a really

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great resources abortion,
procedures.com it's it's done

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with drawings, right?
But it's still really powerful

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and actually kind of difficult
to watch but you can go through

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each of the different types of
the procedures in general, the

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state of Utah.
We we use three procedures

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because we don't do the third,
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But in the first trimester
you've got two options and one

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of them is the abortion pill
which is also called a medical

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abortion and it's actually two
pills and a woman does this

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basically on her own.
So she goes to the abortion

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clinic, they have her swallow
the first pill, okay?

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It is mytha per Stone and my
prayer stone is Progesterone

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blocker.
And so it essentially stops the

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nutrients from getting to the
baby, the progesterone is a

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nutrient supplier, right?
You need progesterone to have a

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successful pregnancy and so they
give her this progesterone,

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blocker, it takes that space up
in the cells that progesterone

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normally takes and it blocks
progesterone from getting to the

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baby.
And so they send her home after

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swallowing this pill and they
tell her to take the second

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pill, which is misoprostol or
cited to Check depending on, you

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know, name brand or whatever and
she takes this at home.

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And that second pill is the pill
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That will then expel her baby
and we know that not all babies.

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The first pill, starves your
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The second pill expels it, but
not all babies are deceased at

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24 hours.
Okay?

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So some babies are being
expelled, while they're still

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alive.
And so a woman is that home and

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she takes that second pill and
all of a sudden she is bleeding

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and cramping hard and abortion
providers.

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Even our Planned Parenthood will
tell her sit on the toilet.

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Don't look at what comes out
when you're done just flush.

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Okay?
So we're flushing these babies

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down the toilet and they're
telling them, don't look because

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a woman has been Misinformed
right Planned Parenthood does

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not tell them what their babies
like and they do this abortion

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pill up to 10 weeks and so you
have a Mama I've had two

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miscarriages, I know what babies
this size and age, think you

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look like and so to be someone
who takes that pill thinking,

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it's nothing but some cells and
tissue and then seen your tiny

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baby would be very difficult.
And so I really think the

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abortion Pill is a horrible way
there alone.

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They're misinformed.
And all of a sudden they have

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their baby right there staring
at them just actually you know

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it's a hard it's a hard thing.
That's why they're told to sit

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on the toilet.
Don't look and flesh.

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So that's the medical abortion
pill option.

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It's an option up to 10 weeks.
It's very popular in the state

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of Utah.
Yes.

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Can I stop you right there?
Real quick.

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And I have done this before we
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Art.
But before we get into the next

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option, what does a woman
encounter when she goes to

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Planned Parenthood?
Okay, so I apologize.

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I threw that one at you, Kono,
that's okay.

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I know this really well.
It's not a problem.

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A few years ago, we actually
passed a law based off of some

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undercover work that we did and
we sent women in at the time we

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had a law that looked really
good on paper, you know, the

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abortion provider had to tell
the mom about the exact

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development of her baby.
So if you were seven weeks

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along, they had to tell you the
development of the seven.

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Weak baby.
They had to tell the mom, what

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the procedure would do to the
baby.

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This was all in statute and so
we sent women in and to take

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this informed consent class and
we had them audio record it and

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we were able to tell that what
Planned Parenthood actually did

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was skip those two very
important sections all together.

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In fact, I've got a I've got a
piece of paper here and this is

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one that they handed out.
Way?

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They describe all abortions up
to 22 weeks.

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Is this one sentence in the
clinic your doctor or nurse will

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use?
Gentle suction to remove the

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pregnancy.
That's all they told you rate.

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So they're not describing
anything for how how developed

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your baby is.
They're not telling you these

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things that by Statute they were
supposed to.

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So we went to the legislators
and said we need to change this

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and what we've done is put that
information into an online

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module.
That the health department

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created, we had someone on the
board that helped, it's actually

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quite, it's actually quite good.
The problem is the health

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department didn't make it so you
couldn't just scroll through it.

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So I can get through the entire
presentation in under 3 minutes

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and not watch a single thing.
So we know that women are not

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being informed.
We have tried to do our very

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best.
That's one of the the cleanup

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things that we're going to try
to get past the last two years,

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our build and even get into
committee.

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Legislators were like nope.
Don't we've done enough.

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We passed the trigger law.
We've done enough and so we'd

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like to make it so you can't
just scroll through, right?

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But women were not getting this
information.

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Women did not understand exactly
what the abortion procedures

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were because they weren't being
told it by their abortion

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provider.
And we had I think eight women

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go in and take it they read it
off of a card.

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So every woman got the exact
same thing because they were

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reading off of this exact same
laminated Good card from

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Planned.
Parenthood gracious.

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So does Planned Parenthood do
anything.

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As far as here's your options.
You, you know, abortions are but

450
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:05,700
you can also adopt or, you know,
do they ought to do, they really

451
00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:12,000
do anything of that sort bill by
law, they had to do some things.

452
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,500
Verbally, there was a little
sentence in there about adoption

453
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,800
that they would read but in
reality, not really, I mean, One

454
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,400
of them, read the card.
So fast it.

455
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,100
What?
I was amazed, I think I went

456
00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:28,600
back in time to that one later.
Your there's no you don't they

457
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,000
don't really want you to ask
questions.

458
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,500
They're not really explaining
anything, there's no diagrams,

459
00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:34,000
there's no pictures, there's no
nothing.

460
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,900
You know, if I was to teach you
about this, I would utilize

461
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:41,300
visuals.
I would really be explaining it.

462
00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:44,000
I be asking you questions to see
if you really understood and

463
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,700
knew it but truthfully, they
don't, they don't want women to

464
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:50,400
know that information this
important information about the

465
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,500
fetal development of your baby
and what the abortion procedure

466
00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:55,800
actually does to your baby.
Those are the two things that

467
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,500
are going to make you change
your mind, right?

468
00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:02,500
So, right, why are why do they
push abortion as hard as they

469
00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:04,900
do?
What, what vested interest do

470
00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:09,100
they have in that?
Do we know anything about that?

471
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:16,200
I mean it's a moneymaker but
there's just I I don't I don't

472
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:21,000
understand the ideology.
We when we were on that

473
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,000
committee, one of one of us,
Mary Taylor a president with the

474
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,200
health department Planned,
Parenthood actually got to be on

475
00:29:26,208 --> 00:29:31,700
the committee for that also and
I feel like there are people

476
00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:36,000
that follow that ideology that
have no idea at one point.

477
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,300
There was a couple of doctors on
that panel at one point when

478
00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:42,600
they were Discussing a sentence
where it says be sure, you know,

479
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,400
you want to do this because
abortion ends, the life of a

480
00:29:45,408 --> 00:29:48,300
human being.
She turned to the doctor and

481
00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:51,700
said, well, that's not true, you
don't believe that do you?

482
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,000
It's not alive.
And the doctor had to say, yes.

483
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,100
That's that's medically accurate
and so I think that we have

484
00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:03,200
people that don't see a
nitty-gritty, they don't, they

485
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,600
don't look into it.
They just hear the tag lines and

486
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,000
they go along and they believe
I, it's almost impossible.

487
00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:12,600
Me to imagine, but I know they
truly believe.

488
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,000
That's, that's not a baby.
That's nothing.

489
00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:18,600
That's, it's really weird.
It's difficult to imagine

490
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:19,900
frankly.
Wow.

491
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,500
Wow.
All right, let's go on to the

492
00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:26,700
next procedure that can be done
in Utah.

493
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:32,400
Okay, so the next one is an
aspiration abortion or a suction

494
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,000
D & C.
So like, when women have a

495
00:30:35,008 --> 00:30:39,500
miscarriage, sometimes they go
in and and do a DNC to remove a

496
00:30:39,508 --> 00:30:40,600
disease.
Baby.

497
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,500
So, the difference is that the
baby is still alive when you do

498
00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:48,100
this procedure, right?
The whole purpose of an abortion

499
00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:51,400
is to kill a baby before it
comes out, right?

500
00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:55,400
So this one's done up to 12
weeks, the doctor dilates the

501
00:30:55,408 --> 00:30:59,900
cervix with these dilator
instruments, and then he inserts

502
00:30:59,900 --> 00:31:03,700
a suction catheter into the
uterus and then they turn the

503
00:31:03,700 --> 00:31:08,000
suction on and the living baby
is then suctioned into pieces

504
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,900
essentially.
And then they you Use tools to

505
00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:14,400
scrape.
Any remaining tissue from the

506
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,600
walls of the uterus.
And this is essentially a DMC

507
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,000
but on a living baby and we have
women in Utah that get confused,

508
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,600
right?
Because some women have

509
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,200
contacted us in think that
because they had a miscarriage

510
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,500
and then a DNC after that, they
have had an abortion and that's

511
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:36,400
absolutely false.
Abortion abortion is the

512
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,500
purposeful killing of an unborn,
baby.

513
00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:42,900
It's not the removal of Deceased
baby after a miscarriage.

514
00:31:43,300 --> 00:31:50,100
So in approximately, what, what
period of gestation does a DNC

515
00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:53,800
usually happen first trimester
because the babies are small and

516
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,800
their baby are their bones in
there.

517
00:31:55,900 --> 00:32:00,600
They're so soft that they can be
suctioned through that tube that

518
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,500
tube.
Yeah, I watched a video once

519
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:10,200
I've been on this for a little
while now on this topic and I

520
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,200
met a woman who I don't know how
she did it, but she got out like

521
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,800
one of the recordings of when
one was done.

522
00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:21,600
And the most heartbreaking part.
As you could see the baby trying

523
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,700
to get away.
And, you know, obviously there's

524
00:32:26,700 --> 00:32:31,000
no place to go, but it's
absolutely a horror show.

525
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,600
Now, those are the only two
types that can be done in Utah.

526
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,600
Now, those are just the two
first trimester.

527
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,100
So there's one more second,
trimester procedure.

528
00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:47,100
That is probably the most
horrific of them all and it's

529
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:51,000
called a DNA It's dilation and
evacuation.

530
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,900
It's done between 13 and 24
weeks.

531
00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:58,000
So, in Utah, they stopped up to
22, right?

532
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:03,400
Viability basically our Utah.
Statute said, if it's even may

533
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,100
be possible to be viable, so I
feel like, that's why I planned

534
00:33:06,100 --> 00:33:10,600
parenthood ended at 22, not 24
in the state of Utah, but

535
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,400
between 13 and 24 weeks is.
When this procedure is done, the

536
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,800
babies bigger, it can't be
suction through a catheter.

537
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:23,300
Anymore, it's bones or harder.
So basically what the

538
00:33:23,300 --> 00:33:26,600
abortionist has to do is they,
they perform a dismemberment

539
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,100
procedure on a living baby.
So the doctor again, dilates the

540
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:33,800
woman's cervix and then uses
what they call a.

541
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,800
So for clamp, and it's a clamp
that has sharp teeth on it so

542
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,200
that when it grabs tissue it
doesn't slip, right?

543
00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:46,900
And so they will use this.
So, for cramp to just blindly

544
00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:50,900
reach into the you Uris and grab
whatever part of the baby, they

545
00:33:50,900 --> 00:33:53,700
can grab and it's going to
usually be an arm or leg.

546
00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:56,500
Sorry it's kind of hard to
describe this.

547
00:33:56,900 --> 00:34:02,200
Yeah and they will, they will
grab and they will jerk and they

548
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:07,700
will pull that limb off and then
they'll put it on a tray, reach

549
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:12,600
back in again, grab whatever
they can and grab, rip it and

550
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:19,300
pull it hard and quick so that
they can get that limb off and

551
00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:23,000
they'll do this until basically
most of the time you have a

552
00:34:23,007 --> 00:34:28,400
torso and head Had left and in
order to get the head out, you

553
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:33,800
have to crush it.
It's baby is alive.

554
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,300
When they start at a certain
point, this baby will succumb to

555
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,600
its injuries and it will die.
But this baby is being tortured

556
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:48,800
in a way that we don't torture
anything any living creature.

557
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,800
Like this.
I can't even, I can't even think

558
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,100
of a situation where we do.
Anything like this to any living

559
00:34:56,100 --> 00:35:01,000
creature, where they're alive,
they're safe, they're small and

560
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,000
vulnerable and innocent.
And we literally rip them apart

561
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,200
limb from limb while they're
living, and that takes place in

562
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,900
Utah today.
Yes, yes, it does.

563
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:20,300
Yeah, it does.
So I can go back for one second

564
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:22,800
and tell you what has happened
in the state of Utah.

565
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:28,100
Since Roe fell, right?
Because so in 2020, actually, I

566
00:35:28,107 --> 00:35:31,400
got to go back two years before
that in 2020.

567
00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:35,100
We passed what we called, a
trigger law and the trigger law

568
00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:40,500
said, if row ever Falls and the
states are able to make their

569
00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:46,000
own laws for abortion, this is
what our law will be and what we

570
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,500
were able to get past.
At that time was a No-No

571
00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:56,700
abortion after implantation
except for those rape incest

572
00:35:56,700 --> 00:35:59,900
life of mother fatal, fetal
anomaly exceptions that we

573
00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:04,400
already had our legislators
really comfortable with those

574
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:08,600
and we weren't able to work on
those but we were able to get

575
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,900
instead of 22 weeks.
You actually couldn't have an

576
00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:13,900
abortion, right?
For no reason.

577
00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:18,200
Those elective abortions are
gone and so this Law got passed

578
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,800
in 2020, it was signed by the
governor and it was just going

579
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,600
to sit there until row v Wade,
Wade fell.

580
00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:28,100
And I honestly, I didn't know if
row would ever followed been

581
00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:31,000
almost 50 years, right.
But we had it waiting in the

582
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:36,400
wings just in case and then the
Dobbs case happened and it went

583
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,600
up to a different Supreme Court
than we had had.

584
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,500
Right and on June 24th 2022,
Roe.

585
00:36:44,500 --> 00:36:49,000
V-- Wade fell that That morning,
it felt that morning Planned

586
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,700
Parenthood, stopped abortions,
by 6:00 p.m. that night.

587
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,800
There's a little bit of stuff
that had to be done on the back

588
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,100
end.
Our law went into effect, okay?

589
00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:08,100
Saturday Planned Parenthood, and
the Utah ACLU filed the lawsuit

590
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,600
Monday morning.
They were in court with Judge,

591
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,300
Andrew Stone, who gave them a
preliminary two-week injunction

592
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,800
on our law which made It's so
that they could do abortions for

593
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,600
those two weeks, two weeks later
when he did the hearing with

594
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,400
them, he placed in that
injunction on our law for the

595
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,500
entirety of the lawsuit.
So simply because Planned,

596
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:38,100
Parenthood and ACLU sued.
The state of Utah.

597
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,100
Our law is still not in effect
but just later passed it.

598
00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:44,500
The governor signed it.
Nobody said that it's

599
00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:47,000
unconstitutional.
Even their cases.

600
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,700
Like Planned Parenthood.
And the ACLU are saying that you

601
00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:53,700
thought state constitution has
the right to abortion in it.

602
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,800
But what's happening?
Because they were able to get

603
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,400
this activist.
Judge to put that on our law,

604
00:38:00,700 --> 00:38:05,200
it's going to be possibly years
before our law can actually go

605
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,800
into effect.
And so there's a couple things

606
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,500
on the horizon and that they're
working on the Utah attorney.

607
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:16,100
General's office is the one that
is charged with defending our

608
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:18,800
law.
They put in a request to the

609
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,800
Utah state supreme court to look
specifically at the injunction.

610
00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:27,600
And if the judge put that
injunction on appropriately but

611
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,700
we've been waiting for a few
months now and we still don't

612
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:34,500
have a date for that hearing.
So I'm not sure when that would

613
00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:37,800
be the last we heard is it might
be February but because I still

614
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,400
haven't heard a date.
I'm not sure, maybe it'll be

615
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,400
March.
The problem that we have though

616
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:48,600
is that you talk rules.
For those injunctions is

617
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,900
actually quite lenient compared
to National Stadium orders.

618
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,400
And so we might not win at this
level, they might say according

619
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,500
to the rules that were there in
plagues when he put that

620
00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:03,500
injunction on, that injunction
can stand.

621
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:06,800
And so representative, Brady
Brammer, who's actually my

622
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:11,400
representative.
North Utah County has a bill.

623
00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:16,500
It's actually a joint
resolution, So hjr to that has

624
00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:19,200
gone through.
Do the house committee and house

625
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:25,800
floor and it has passed.
His would bring our rules in

626
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,800
line with national standards and
it would put a little bit more

627
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:34,700
responsibility on to Judge Stone
to prove why he has the ability.

628
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,500
Why heat why he's doing what
he's doing, right?

629
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:41,700
There's more responsibility for
him to be able to prove that

630
00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:44,600
they're likely to win right
there.

631
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,400
Likely to win the lawsuit.
And he wouldn't be able to do

632
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,900
that.
Whether that's going to help

633
00:39:50,900 --> 00:39:53,000
this particular law.
I don't know.

634
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:56,700
It should help maybe upcoming
laws.

635
00:39:56,900 --> 00:40:00,900
It's also hurt the same thing.
Happened with the women's sports

636
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:03,300
Bill.
The that was trying to keep boys

637
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:07,600
out of girls.
Sports it it there was a lawsuit

638
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,800
there it got an injunction.
Right?

639
00:40:10,300 --> 00:40:15,000
I know that Senator Kennedy's
working on the to stop.

640
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,600
Ruiz and cross-sex hormones
right on children that he's

641
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:26,100
expecting a lawsuit, right?
So this, these rules are kind of

642
00:40:26,100 --> 00:40:31,400
what causes the state of Utah.
When we do good things that they

643
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,200
get held up with these lawsuits,
right?

644
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,400
So hopefully that gets passed,
we're unsure whether it will

645
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,600
help us in this case
specifically.

646
00:40:40,300 --> 00:40:44,200
But right now Planned Parenthood
has not lost a single abortion.

647
00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:48,200
The day they shut down on Friday
when when I fell they just put

648
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,600
them in the next week, right?
No babies have been saved so far

649
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,800
and that's why we held our event
last Wednesday as a funeral for

650
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,100
those babies that should have
been saved.

651
00:40:58,100 --> 00:41:02,000
That were not.
I know, I know of a couple of

652
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:08,400
women that went to that and they
said it was just shocking and

653
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,400
Powerful the same time.
Yeah.

654
00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:15,700
So this Judge Stone.
It, who was he appointed by?

655
00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:22,200
Governor Herbert.
Oh, there's so many bad words I

656
00:41:22,207 --> 00:41:27,000
want to say right now.
Holy know if it was really

657
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,100
interesting.
I listened to that hearing it

658
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:32,200
was quite short was just about
an hour.

659
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:39,000
And at no point in time.
Did anyone did he really talk

660
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,300
about the effect that, you know,
putting this on our log would do

661
00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:46,600
to any babies?
It was like they weren't there

662
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,000
and all I heard coming from his
mouth were pro-choice talking

663
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,800
points.
It's so, you know, we don't have

664
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,800
a hope in his court, we really
don't, he is fully in the

665
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:05,000
pro-choice mode so we know that
this lawsuit has to get into the

666
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,400
Utah, state supreme court in
order to be able to have a

667
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,500
chance so that can be two to
three years.

668
00:42:12,700 --> 00:42:16,300
Geez.
Yeah, in that bill was that you

669
00:42:16,308 --> 00:42:19,800
were speaking about where it was
going to require maybe that

670
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,600
judged.
To to do a little more analysis.

671
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,500
That was touched.
Jr2.

672
00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:25,500
Is that correct?
Yeah.

673
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,800
Yeah, it's a joint resolution.
It has to have a two-thirds

674
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,100
majority not just fifty percent.
It has to have a two-thirds

675
00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:35,800
majority in order to pass and
what you thought that's so far.

676
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,500
When are they going to vote on
that?

677
00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:41,800
It should be going to senate
committee.

678
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:44,800
Wait, did it go to senate
committee this week?

679
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,300
We probably should have some
movement on it.

680
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,900
Okay, actually, so if anybody
four steps, right, to every law,

681
00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:55,200
basically, committee floor,
committee floor, right?

682
00:42:56,100 --> 00:43:00,100
So, to anybody listening in the
Utah audience, now's a great

683
00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:05,200
time to get acquainted with your
representative, get on the horn.

684
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,500
And don't stop crash there their
boards.

685
00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:14,200
I please crash of just keep
calling until you get through

686
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,400
and make sure you let them know.
We're going to remember.

687
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,200
Come election time.
Next year, we have a very long

688
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,300
memory because that's the only
way this thing's going to get

689
00:43:24,300 --> 00:43:25,800
through.
Yeah.

690
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,200
And if you guys give it, you
give me one second.

691
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:33,000
I'll give you a phone number.
If your listeners text the word

692
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,800
life to this number, go ahead,
you will get our legislative

693
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,300
text alerts.
It's three eight, five two

694
00:43:41,300 --> 00:43:48,300
hundred nine, nine to nine.
And we that signs you up, when

695
00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:50,900
you text life to that, number
that signs you up for our text

696
00:43:50,900 --> 00:43:52,500
alerts.
And that's where we'll send you

697
00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:57,400
out information on each bill.
It's actually a little form that

698
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,000
you can fill out.
You put your name and address in

699
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,200
there.
We figure out who your rep is

700
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,800
who your Senator is.
You know, we send it to the

701
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,000
correct people, right?
If it's a committee, we know the

702
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,500
transportation committee emails,
we put them in on the back end

703
00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:16,100
and your email goes to them.
And You know, when to send

704
00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:18,400
things and what to send them
about, we even give you some

705
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,600
talking points to make sure that
you understand each of these

706
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,500
bills.
And so that's a really great

707
00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:29,600
tool for you to help us be able
to make change, right?

708
00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:35,800
So that's a, that's a great easy
tool, it's easy to do that, even

709
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:40,100
better is doing that and then
calling your rep or or your

710
00:44:40,100 --> 00:44:43,900
Senator, right fantastic.
Let me ask you this.

711
00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:49,100
What was your feeling when the
Dobbs kit decision came down?

712
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,800
I mean like officially right we
knew well ahead of time because

713
00:44:54,400 --> 00:45:00,900
somebody's dirty leak that but
when it became obvious that that

714
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:07,000
row was going to go away, what
was your initial reaction You

715
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,400
know, I think my biggest
reaction was when it actually

716
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,200
fell and it was almost
disbelief, like, I just was

717
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,600
walking around in this days of
did this really just happen,

718
00:45:18,900 --> 00:45:21,400
right?
I almost couldn't believe it.

719
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,400
And so it was just this days and
I was I was so happy.

720
00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:29,000
I'm like, who do I call, what do
I do?

721
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:31,900
I wanted to just go to the
Capitol and start shouting

722
00:45:31,900 --> 00:45:35,600
things but at the same time we
had been planning a celebration

723
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:40,100
Ian and yet we had on the back
end, the FBI talking to us.

724
00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:44,000
We had Jane's Revenge, that was
threatening things all across

725
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,600
the country.
They had been like harming

726
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,400
Pregnancy, Resource, Center's,
and and so we didn't want to

727
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,600
place anybody In Harm's Way.
So we actually waited a whole

728
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,700
entire week to put our
celebration on so that we knew

729
00:45:58,100 --> 00:46:02,700
what was going to happen.
There was some some talk that

730
00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:05,600
maybe they would bust people in
have some riots.

731
00:46:05,700 --> 00:46:08,900
It's whatever.
And so we were, we waited.

732
00:46:08,900 --> 00:46:12,100
So that day we really wanted to
do something but at the same

733
00:46:12,100 --> 00:46:17,800
time we couldn't really.
So we had to wait but it was a

734
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:23,300
very interesting time but we had
at that time, real hope that

735
00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:26,200
abortion was going to stop.
We've been told by the

736
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,800
legislature that it might take
up to 30 days for our law to go

737
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,900
into effect.
So when it went into effect

738
00:46:31,900 --> 00:46:34,500
later that day, we were even
more excited.

739
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,900
And then the lawsuit happened
and then we realized we fight

740
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:42,700
Satan.
That's who we fight and Satan

741
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:47,600
loves his baby killing and this
is a fight that probably will

742
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,900
never truly go away.
Yeah, we're still fighting it

743
00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:56,200
but the legislature right now we
have bills that are trying to

744
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,700
poke giant holes in our law.
The law.

745
00:46:58,700 --> 00:47:01,900
That's not even an effect yet so
that you can drive semi trucks

746
00:47:01,900 --> 00:47:05,200
through them right.
There's just it's this It's this

747
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:11,300
war that I think will never end
almost but we keep fighting. so,

748
00:47:13,100 --> 00:47:18,900
I've never told this story on
there before, but I will here

749
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,300
and look, for those of my
listeners who aren't Mormon of

750
00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:24,500
any stripe, you're probably
gonna want to turn this part out

751
00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:26,500
because I'm about to get all
jaysus on you.

752
00:47:27,300 --> 00:47:32,900
So what I had I would for a
couple years me and my wife and

753
00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:37,300
our four kids on the eastern
shore of Maryland, and I had a

754
00:47:37,300 --> 00:47:40,400
good friend whose dad was a
rabbi.

755
00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:45,000
His dad's name was Zeke.
And I remember I had questions

756
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,400
for Zeke.
Once I was like, you know,

757
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,900
there's some stuff in Jeremiah
that just doesn't make any sense

758
00:47:50,900 --> 00:47:52,700
to me, Jeremiah and
Lamentations.

759
00:47:52,700 --> 00:47:57,400
Can you walk me through this?
And he got real quiet.

760
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,600
Like uncomfortable shifting his
chair quiet.

761
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,200
He's like we really don't like
talking about that.

762
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:11,000
And so, I just left it alone in
about about three weeks later.

763
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,100
He called me said, you know, I
don't know why I can't get out

764
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:16,800
of my head.
Why don't you come over my house

765
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,800
and we'll talk about so I go in
and he sets me down and he walks

766
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:25,800
me through a bunch of stuff.
But essentially, the last part

767
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,500
was the part that was so
terrifying, which was he linked.

768
00:48:30,900 --> 00:48:33,900
What was happening in Israel,
the what was occurring in

769
00:48:33,900 --> 00:48:37,600
America, right then and
continues to occur now and he

770
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,500
said, God passed judgment on
Israel.

771
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,900
When Israel started to offer up
their children.

772
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,900
And it's it scared me to death
when he laid out the whole

773
00:48:47,900 --> 00:48:50,900
thing, and I won't lay it all
out here, because it's kind of

774
00:48:50,900 --> 00:48:55,600
complex, but it really struck a
nerve.

775
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:00,700
And so, I remember when the
Dobbs decision came down, I was

776
00:49:00,700 --> 00:49:03,100
a static.
I was like, we may have bought

777
00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:06,700
ourselves some more time.
We can get our house in order,

778
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:13,100
and that night, I was actually
on my knees just in my private

779
00:49:13,100 --> 00:49:16,100
prayers and I was offering up
Just basically a prayer

780
00:49:16,100 --> 00:49:18,300
Thanksgiving.
You know, thanking the lord for

781
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:23,100
for putting this into place.
And what I got back with

782
00:49:23,100 --> 00:49:29,400
something I wasn't expecting,
which was judgments, not done,

783
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,000
yet.
You have an inverted judgment.

784
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,900
I'm just giving people a time,
you know, some time to sort

785
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:40,200
themselves out because one of
the things we saw with the Dobbs

786
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,300
decision, is that in some
places?

787
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:45,100
Yeah.
Like Alabama, they just shut it

788
00:49:45,107 --> 00:49:45,900
down.
We're done.

789
00:49:46,300 --> 00:49:49,300
We're done.
But places like California.

790
00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:55,000
They went Full Tilt.
The other direction they went

791
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,200
towards infanticide.
Yeah.

792
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:02,800
And it dawned on me, what that
message meant, this was time for

793
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,000
people to get their house in
order, right?

794
00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:07,700
If you don't like what one
States, doing it's time to vote

795
00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:10,700
with your feet and really think
about moving because I really do

796
00:50:10,700 --> 00:50:13,700
believe this is a sifting
period.

797
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,600
So, so is interesting that you
thought about that that day

798
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:23,200
because I have also thought
about that, And Ivy, I realized

799
00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:28,100
that we had been propped up by
row right row.

800
00:50:28,100 --> 00:50:30,700
Head.
Tied our hands and made it so

801
00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:35,400
that we couldn't stop it and so
it was easy.

802
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,400
We could pass these little laws
to try to crack down on it, a

803
00:50:38,408 --> 00:50:41,300
little, and make a little bit of
change, but we really didn't

804
00:50:41,300 --> 00:50:47,200
have the power to stop it.
And when row fell, the power is

805
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,500
in our hands.
The question is Are we going to

806
00:50:50,500 --> 00:50:52,600
do it?
And that's the part that scared

807
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:57,700
me because we have become a
society that rejects God in a

808
00:50:57,707 --> 00:50:59,800
lot of ways.
Even some of the people that

809
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,900
believe in God, we follow the
world and we follow that

810
00:51:04,900 --> 00:51:08,900
Outlook, right?
And and we reject a lot of the

811
00:51:08,900 --> 00:51:12,500
things that God would have us do
because we're following the

812
00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:14,300
world.
And so the real question in my

813
00:51:14,300 --> 00:51:17,800
mind was what is the state of
Utah going to do?

814
00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:22,500
Because I know I know that you
have to be really strong and

815
00:51:22,500 --> 00:51:28,300
really firm in order to get this
law in place and then to keep

816
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:30,900
it.
And I'm not sure we have that,

817
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,100
I'm not sure we're working as
hard as we can.

818
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:37,400
And yes, we have some really
fabulous legislators but does

819
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,900
the state of Utah really have
the will, to do what we have to

820
00:51:41,900 --> 00:51:44,900
do, in order to avoid that
condemnation.

821
00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:47,300
Now that the power is in our
hands.

822
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:48,600
Yeah.
Yeah.

823
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,500
Know that.
I'm I'm glad to know.

824
00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:53,000
I wasn't the only one that had
that thought because I felt like

825
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,800
Debbie Downer at the party,
right?

826
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,500
Because all my friends were
slapping high-fives and I'm like

827
00:51:57,700 --> 00:52:01,300
I would maybe back off that high
five slap and for just a little

828
00:52:01,300 --> 00:52:04,100
while because I don't think this
is over, right?

829
00:52:04,100 --> 00:52:07,200
And yeah, I've told people that
I know that live in California

830
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,200
and look at this point.
I'm 45, I'm married.

831
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,100
I got six kids.
I ain't trying to impress

832
00:52:12,100 --> 00:52:16,400
anybody, right?
I'm like it's time now for you

833
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,800
to get get out of there, right?
I mean, If you're definitely

834
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,300
opposed to this Now's the Time
because really that's the only

835
00:52:24,300 --> 00:52:28,000
thing that I think will will
save individuals at this point,

836
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,000
right?
You get to vote with your feet,

837
00:52:30,100 --> 00:52:33,700
go someplace else where those
rules are strict more stringent

838
00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:39,200
and it's not It's not a mass
kill State.

839
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,100
I don't know how else to put it.
I'm running out of ways to put.

840
00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:46,100
Put it, put it easy, but I think
at this point those labels are

841
00:52:46,100 --> 00:52:49,900
gone, right?
I also want to talk.

842
00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:53,500
There's we have a problem and
the problem is that the abortion

843
00:52:53,500 --> 00:52:58,500
pill is readily available and
I'm not going to give the house

844
00:52:58,500 --> 00:53:01,100
of it's readily available, but
it doesn't take much more than

845
00:53:01,100 --> 00:53:06,700
Google and let you know that my
14 year old daughter.

846
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:12,200
Oh, with my permission, right?
Me asking her to was able to

847
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:16,600
order abortion pills online from
out of the country for $20.

848
00:53:17,900 --> 00:53:23,500
And so this isn't something that
the doctor is in Eastern Europe.

849
00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:27,800
The pills come from India.
This isn't something that we

850
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:34,000
have the power to stop unless we
as a culture change, because

851
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:35,500
they're calling it planned.
See.

852
00:53:35,500 --> 00:53:38,800
Now, by the way, the Portion
pills are now called plan C.

853
00:53:39,300 --> 00:53:43,300
And the abortion activists are
saying you don't even need to

854
00:53:43,300 --> 00:53:45,300
take a pregnancy test.
You don't need to go to your

855
00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:50,800
doctor just take plan C, right?
And that's the to abortion pills

856
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:55,400
that I described to you.
When you do that you don't have

857
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,000
anyone checking.
If you have an ectopic

858
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,300
pregnancy, there's dangers to
that.

859
00:53:59,300 --> 00:54:02,600
If you want to talk about people
that don't care about women

860
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,900
being safe, it's the pro-choice
side.

861
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:06,700
They will throw them under the
bus.

862
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,400
Is just so they can keep their
abortions going.

863
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:15,300
But this, this war right of
abortion, it doesn't really have

864
00:54:16,100 --> 00:54:19,000
time to end probably till Jesus
comes, right?

865
00:54:19,300 --> 00:54:24,900
It is just a war and the only
way in some ways we can really

866
00:54:24,900 --> 00:54:27,500
win that is by Taking Back our
culture.

867
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,600
Absolutely.
I couldn't agree with you more

868
00:54:32,500 --> 00:54:35,800
again being a super nerd
especially for the u.s.

869
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,400
founding.
That's why I'm Moved from Idaho

870
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,600
to the eastern shore of
Maryland, was to immerse myself

871
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:48,600
in it.
And I I remember thinking at one

872
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:53,300
point, if we want to kind of
grab Society back, we're going

873
00:54:53,300 --> 00:54:57,000
to have to do some things that
are as people who tend to be

874
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,700
more conservative, we're not
comfortable doing right.

875
00:55:00,700 --> 00:55:05,400
That would be going out and, you
know, getting involved in the

876
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,700
media somehow, right?
I always thought, you know, the

877
00:55:08,700 --> 00:55:14,200
Constitution will become cool.
Again when we go ahead and put

878
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:15,600
the founders back in there,
right?

879
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,900
Light is They were which were
Rebels which were resistance to

880
00:55:18,900 --> 00:55:21,800
tyranny and until we do that, I
don't think that's going to

881
00:55:21,900 --> 00:55:25,000
that's going to happen.
And I think we have to do that

882
00:55:25,100 --> 00:55:29,600
as well with with this, with
this topic as well.

883
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:33,000
Somehow we're going to have to
engage like we're really not

884
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:38,500
comfortable doing.
Yeah, so let.

885
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:40,700
Yeah, let me give you an
example.

886
00:55:40,700 --> 00:55:46,300
So the satanic temple, the
national satanic temple gave a

887
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,600
what?
Let their, their members vote on

888
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,900
which state to hold their
celebration in.

889
00:55:52,900 --> 00:55:56,300
And they picked some of the most
conservative states and their

890
00:55:56,300 --> 00:55:58,300
members voted to hold that in
Utah.

891
00:55:58,500 --> 00:56:00,500
And they had don't know if you
remember, they held it on the

892
00:56:00,500 --> 00:56:06,500
steps of the Utah State Capitol
and I could not let that go.

893
00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:11,700
And we decided to put on a
counter protest because you

894
00:56:11,700 --> 00:56:16,000
don't get to celebrate abortion
and Satan on the steps of our

895
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,000
Capital without having the other
side there.

896
00:56:19,700 --> 00:56:22,700
And so, we were there.
But what was really interesting

897
00:56:22,700 --> 00:56:25,200
to me, was, how many people told
me?

898
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,200
Oh, I don't want to go there.
I don't want to be by those

899
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,200
people.
I don't, I don't want to get

900
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,400
involved.
I don't, you know, they can go.

901
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,800
It's their right to have freedom
speech and I'm like, sure, I'm

902
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,500
not stopping.
That right.

903
00:56:37,900 --> 00:56:44,000
But God expects us to do more
and the fact that so many people

904
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,800
were afraid to go be in the same
place and to counter protest.

905
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:54,100
That was really eye-opening to
me and that's where those types

906
00:56:54,100 --> 00:56:56,400
of things.
I feel like we have to become

907
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,200
more willing to step out of our
comfort zone.

908
00:56:59,500 --> 00:57:04,000
I stood there, you know, we gave
them their space, right?

909
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,900
I stood there a little ways off
and we listen to Them hail Satan

910
00:57:08,300 --> 00:57:13,200
over and over and over and over
again and celebrate abortion and

911
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,400
talk about their abortion rich
people.

912
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:22,700
They have a satanic abortion
ritual and and yet you know it's

913
00:57:22,700 --> 00:57:24,600
like we're not willing.
I haven't had so many people

914
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,100
tell me.
They don't really worship Satan.

915
00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:28,100
And I keep saying, yes, that's a
tagline.

916
00:57:28,100 --> 00:57:31,400
They like to tell the media but
all you have to do is look at

917
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,700
what they do, watch what they do
and and be there, you know, they

918
00:57:35,700 --> 00:57:40,000
do I Is there they worshipped
Satan on the steps of our

919
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:45,400
capital and so, yes, things that
might be uncomfortable to do to

920
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,000
go and do their important.
We have to be God's Warriors at

921
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,000
this point in time in order to
take our culture back, we have

922
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,100
to be willing to go into
uncomfortable places.

923
00:57:55,300 --> 00:57:57,600
Did it change anything?
I don't know.

924
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:04,100
All I know is that, I told God I
would go, I would go because

925
00:58:04,900 --> 00:58:08,600
people needed to be there.
We had to show that there were

926
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:13,600
people that loved God and were
against this on that day when

927
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,500
they were doing what they were
doing.

928
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:22,500
Yes, it changed something and
and It changed something in the

929
00:58:22,500 --> 00:58:27,200
fact that, you know, you and God
are good, right?

930
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:33,000
And, and that is sometimes, all
we can take from this just

931
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,500
because the problem is
overwhelming and daunting

932
00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:38,400
doesn't mean we get to sit it
out rights.

933
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,600
Just because we know Jesus wins
in the end doesn't mean we get

934
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:45,600
to set it out, right?
Kind of the opposite, right?

935
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,100
We got to step it up a little
bit more.

936
00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:52,000
We got to get Walt and To all
those people that always, I

937
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,600
always hear him say, oh, had I
been in Germany during the Third

938
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,600
Reich, I would have definitely
been, like, Oskar.

939
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,800
Schindler would you would you
really because now's your time,

940
00:59:02,300 --> 00:59:05,600
we're it's the same thing.
It is the loss of human life.

941
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:06,600
Where are you?
Yeah.

942
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:08,800
Where are you?
And that's at the point where I

943
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:13,300
start getting a little spicy.
I'm like, look, I'm a dude that

944
00:59:13,900 --> 00:59:16,300
really quite lazy.
All I want to do is sit on the

945
00:59:16,300 --> 00:59:20,200
couch, eat Doritos, get my
Tennessee.

946
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,200
Football really dialed in.
So I can have bragging rights

947
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,800
and that's it but these are not
the times we live in.

948
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:31,100
Now these are the times that we
have to be engaged harder than

949
00:59:31,100 --> 00:59:35,400
we've ever been been engaged for
before and so if we don't jump

950
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:39,900
in, we're in a world of hurt.
Because now it's on us before it

951
00:59:40,500 --> 00:59:44,900
before we had.
I hate to use the term this way,

952
00:59:44,900 --> 00:59:47,300
but we have the benefit of
saying, well it's the feds

953
00:59:47,300 --> 00:59:48,300
right.
They're going to take their

954
00:59:48,300 --> 00:59:49,700
money and there's nothing we can
do.

955
00:59:49,700 --> 00:59:53,600
That argument is over, it is
over now.

956
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:58,300
It's on us now, it's on us and
we had better get way active

957
00:59:58,300 --> 01:00:01,900
real quick.
Right angry.

958
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,000
So what are other states doing
now?

959
01:00:05,100 --> 01:00:08,900
I mean, how are other states
faring in this process?

960
01:00:09,900 --> 01:00:14,400
Yeah, so some of them have had a
lawsuits but they don't have an

961
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,600
injunction during the lawsuit,
so their laws are in place.

962
01:00:17,900 --> 01:00:21,400
Some of them are like us, right?
Who had those laws but the

963
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:25,000
injunctions have halted those
laws like you were talking

964
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,900
about, some of them are going
full gung-ho.

965
01:00:30,100 --> 01:00:35,400
And making them an abortion
destination, right?

966
01:00:35,500 --> 01:00:39,600
Colorado has said they're going
to do that planned parenthood's

967
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:43,000
talked about having mobile
clinics right across the border,

968
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:47,800
so that Utah, women can go and
cross the border and get that

969
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,900
service.
So, there's a lot of different

970
01:00:50,900 --> 01:00:54,000
things happening, but there are
some states whose laws are in

971
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,600
place and functioning.
Geez, well, it's good to know

972
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:00,700
that those other states.
Taking the stand.

973
01:01:00,700 --> 01:01:06,800
But the states is scare me or
Virginia and and California and

974
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,900
New York where they're talking
about.

975
01:01:08,900 --> 01:01:13,300
They even hate validating it,
but they call it a post birth

976
01:01:13,300 --> 01:01:17,500
abortion infanticide.
There's no other way around it.

977
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:22,100
It's the one thing I'll say for
the Dobbs decision there's no

978
01:01:22,100 --> 01:01:24,400
more Middle Ground.
Right.

979
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:29,400
There is no more middle, ground
it for the side, that's on the

980
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,600
side of, and I'll use your words
here, that's on the side of

981
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,700
Satan.
The Masks have come off.

982
01:01:35,500 --> 01:01:37,500
Yeah.
There are, there is no more

983
01:01:37,500 --> 01:01:42,800
middle ground and it will be
interesting to see what happens.

984
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:46,100
We're coming into the
legislative session time, right?

985
01:01:46,100 --> 01:01:51,200
Post jobs, and so Utah's, one of
the earlier ones, so it'll be

986
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,200
interesting to see what happens
with each.

987
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:57,100
Eight as they go through these
time frames, you know, Utah, had

988
01:01:57,100 --> 01:01:59,900
our trigger law in place.
And so that's why, when Dobbs

989
01:01:59,900 --> 01:02:03,900
fell, we had that, you know, go
into effect for like a day.

990
01:02:05,300 --> 01:02:08,900
But some of these states are now
going to be reacting to the jobs

991
01:02:08,900 --> 01:02:12,000
decision in this upcoming
legislative session in their

992
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,600
state.
And so, it'll be very

993
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,900
eye-opening.
I think to see where some of

994
01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:18,700
them go.
Very cool.

995
01:02:18,700 --> 01:02:24,000
Yeah.
Um, Let me ask you this, a lot

996
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,500
of times we hear this thing
about, well, it's for the

997
01:02:26,500 --> 01:02:29,400
mother's health, it's for the
mother's well-being.

998
01:02:30,700 --> 01:02:33,700
What kind of are there any side
effects that a mother

999
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:40,200
experiences after an abortion?
Sure, or even during right.

1000
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:44,400
So Planned Parenthood list.
Some of the possible physical

1001
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,100
complications.
There's more than this, but I'm

1002
01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:49,700
just going to read off some of
the ones that they list in their

1003
01:02:49,700 --> 01:02:51,800
literature.
The paper that I showed you

1004
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:55,900
earlier, and so it can be an
incomplete abortion, which means

1005
01:02:56,100 --> 01:02:58,800
if you did, the abortion pill,
maybe not everything came out.

1006
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,100
So you have to go in and do
another suction abortion.

1007
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,400
You can have retained tissue,
which can then cause an

1008
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,500
infection can cause heavy
bleeding.

1009
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:11,300
We've got uterine blood clots,
you can have allergic reaction

1010
01:03:11,300 --> 01:03:16,300
to medications, you can have a
physical injury or perforation

1011
01:03:16,300 --> 01:03:19,000
to your cervix uterus or other
organs.

1012
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:24,000
They even list and they list
death as a possible side, effect

1013
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:28,000
for abortion and those are the
ones that are listed on their

1014
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,300
hand out.
Like I said, there's more as far

1015
01:03:30,300 --> 01:03:33,100
as psychological trauma and
damage.

1016
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,500
So many of the since abortion is
so politically.

1017
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,900
So many of these studies are
politicized and you kind of

1018
01:03:41,900 --> 01:03:45,100
can't trust them.
So when we go to something, we

1019
01:03:45,100 --> 01:03:50,500
actually go to, it was a
quantitative analysis done by

1020
01:03:50,500 --> 01:03:52,200
dr.
Priscilla Coleman?

1021
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:57,300
And she went and took 22 studies
from six countries and looked at

1022
01:03:57,300 --> 01:04:02,200
the data from those studies.
And from that she concluded,

1023
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,800
that there was an overall
eighty-one percent increase in

1024
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:09,800
risk of mental health problems.
And those included things like a

1025
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:14,600
34% increase in anxiety,
disorders, 37 percent increase

1026
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:19,700
in depression, 110 percent
increase in alcohol, abuse, 220

1027
01:04:19,700 --> 01:04:23,400
percent increase in marijuana,
use or abuse and a hundred and

1028
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,600
fifty five percent increase in
suicidal behaviors.

1029
01:04:27,100 --> 01:04:31,700
So if you're talking to me
Deanna, I know quite a few

1030
01:04:31,700 --> 01:04:36,500
post-abortive women and so I'm
going to list off to you the

1031
01:04:36,500 --> 01:04:38,800
things that I know.
These women that I know have

1032
01:04:38,900 --> 01:04:44,200
gone through.
So personally self-harm cut call

1033
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:49,400
abuse risky behaviors, right?
Due to self hatred, drug abuse,

1034
01:04:49,900 --> 01:04:55,300
agoraphobia depression.
These are all things that women

1035
01:04:55,300 --> 01:05:00,900
I know have suffered with
post-abortion and so there are a

1036
01:05:00,900 --> 01:05:03,800
lot of things.
It doesn't make logical sense

1037
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:08,000
that a woman can go and have her
child killed and have no, Effect

1038
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,500
from that.
We also host a post-operative

1039
01:05:11,500 --> 01:05:17,000
support group that has an eight
week course to help women be

1040
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:21,700
able to open up that wound and
go through the stages of grief

1041
01:05:21,700 --> 01:05:24,000
and processing.
What?

1042
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:28,700
What happened to them?
Write what they chose and so

1043
01:05:28,700 --> 01:05:32,400
this is something that that we
know affects women.

1044
01:05:32,700 --> 01:05:37,600
We know it does.
But in some ways women are Are

1045
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,900
preyed upon right.
They get in these difficult

1046
01:05:40,900 --> 01:05:42,500
circumstances.
They get pressure.

1047
01:05:42,500 --> 01:05:44,800
We had one woman we were working
with that.

1048
01:05:45,100 --> 01:05:47,500
We were hoping she would not
choose to have an abortion, but

1049
01:05:47,500 --> 01:05:49,700
the pressure from her family and
the boyfriend.

1050
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,200
She drove / into that clinic,
right?

1051
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:57,100
Women are feeling the effects of
pressure, they're feeling the

1052
01:05:57,100 --> 01:06:00,500
effects of pressure from Life
circumstances from society.

1053
01:06:00,500 --> 01:06:04,000
Telling them, this is what they
should do from men who don't

1054
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,600
want to take care of it.
Sadly enough.

1055
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:10,600
There are Of those men.
And so, you know, when we are

1056
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:13,500
out on the sidewalk with our
mobile clinic and our sidewalk

1057
01:06:13,500 --> 01:06:20,000
Advocates, we look at these
women and have a lot of love and

1058
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:24,900
compassion for them, and we
offer them help and hope because

1059
01:06:24,900 --> 01:06:30,200
we don't want them to suffer.
What comes from an abortion, we

1060
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:35,000
want them to hold their baby and
to be happy and to take a

1061
01:06:35,008 --> 01:06:37,000
totally different path.
A path.

1062
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:40,700
If that leads to peace right?
Not the path that goes to

1063
01:06:40,900 --> 01:06:42,400
something that you can never
undo.

1064
01:06:43,100 --> 01:06:49,400
Yeah, just the five hundred
percent increase in suicidal,

1065
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:58,000
ideation that 155%.
Sorry 155%, would I say 500?

1066
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,000
It's amazing that I have any
listeners.

1067
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,600
It really is.
Um, a hundred and fifty five

1068
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,000
percent, right?
And we're in an era, where

1069
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,200
mental health is just Just
pounded on constantly.

1070
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:14,600
Yeah, but yet we dive into this
a hundred and fifty five percent

1071
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,800
across-the-board, multiple
countries that this study was

1072
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,700
done in.
That's absolutely Insanity.

1073
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,400
What?
And as you've opened up that

1074
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:33,000
clinic for mothers who have Had
that gone through that, I can't

1075
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,500
imagine the the Carnage that's
left behind.

1076
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:42,200
So yeah, that's our group our
group meets just in a home

1077
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:44,600
weeks.
It goes through a program and it

1078
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,800
just helps them.
Some of our moms are women.

1079
01:07:48,300 --> 01:07:51,200
There are women.
Can't even talk say the word

1080
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:52,800
abortion.
They can't talk about it.

1081
01:07:53,100 --> 01:07:55,800
It hit.
They stuff it inside and the

1082
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:59,500
effects come out in those
self-harm, right?

1083
01:07:59,500 --> 01:08:01,900
But they stuff it inside, think
they'll never tell anybody.

1084
01:08:02,100 --> 01:08:04,700
Think that they're just going to
try to forget about it and it's

1085
01:08:04,700 --> 01:08:07,000
something that's hard to forget,
right?

1086
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,300
And so we just help them be able
to start opening that up and

1087
01:08:10,300 --> 01:08:13,700
take that out and start that
healing process to be able to

1088
01:08:13,900 --> 01:08:16,899
really take a look at that and
start to forgive themselves.

1089
01:08:16,899 --> 01:08:20,800
It's very difficult, a difficult
thing for them.

1090
01:08:21,100 --> 01:08:25,399
So our mobile clinic is an
ultrasound clinic and we park it

1091
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:29,300
in front of Planned, Parenthood,
mostly the to planned

1092
01:08:29,300 --> 01:08:34,100
parenthood's in Salt Lake, they
do abortions only at the Metro

1093
01:08:34,100 --> 01:08:36,100
Clinic.
There are surgical abortions are

1094
01:08:36,108 --> 01:08:39,100
all done there.
At the salt lady Clinic, they do

1095
01:08:39,100 --> 01:08:42,800
the abortion, informed consent
classes, and they will do the

1096
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:48,700
abortion pill gorshins and so
what we do our ministry with

1097
01:08:48,700 --> 01:08:53,399
these women, as to be outside
where they're coming to, right?

1098
01:08:53,399 --> 01:08:56,500
We know abortion minded, women
are coming to these locations

1099
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:01,600
and so we have Advocates that
are trained through the national

1100
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:05,500
sidewalk advocates for Life,
Training organization, and we

1101
01:09:05,500 --> 01:09:09,500
lovingly and kindly Approach
them and offer them the services

1102
01:09:09,500 --> 01:09:12,600
that are in our Clinic, which is
pregnancy test and ultrasound a

1103
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,600
chance to see their baby.
When a woman accepts that

1104
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,200
invitation, then we bring her
inside the clinic.

1105
01:09:19,300 --> 01:09:22,399
We're parked right there, right?
We bring her inside the clinic.

1106
01:09:22,500 --> 01:09:26,100
We give her an ultrasound, let
her see her baby, and then talk

1107
01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:29,200
to her about the ways that we
can help her through what we

1108
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:32,800
call, our life grant program.
And that life, grant program is

1109
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:37,700
available to any of these women
that were on their way to You

1110
01:09:37,700 --> 01:09:41,500
either take that class or have
an abortion and it offers them

1111
01:09:41,500 --> 01:09:44,300
up to three thousand dollars
monetary help.

1112
01:09:44,300 --> 01:09:47,300
A lot of these women are going
in for monetary problems.

1113
01:09:48,100 --> 01:09:51,500
It offers them, two of our
women's support team members to

1114
01:09:51,500 --> 01:09:56,200
be there for them, to help them
navigate the crises that are

1115
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:59,900
going on in their life.
So some of our moms have housing

1116
01:09:59,900 --> 01:10:07,100
problems or no car or no job or
a an abusive boyfriend or

1117
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:10,900
whatever it is, we give them
those two women and all of our

1118
01:10:10,900 --> 01:10:15,500
resources and support to be able
to work with them, to try to get

1119
01:10:15,500 --> 01:10:19,200
them to a place of stability, by
the time, their baby comes.

1120
01:10:19,300 --> 01:10:23,800
So that's our goal.
We love you, we help you.

1121
01:10:23,900 --> 01:10:26,800
And then at the end, we give
them a baby shower and they have

1122
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:28,600
all the baby supplies that they
need.

1123
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:32,900
We make sure that they have
everything that they need and so

1124
01:10:33,300 --> 01:10:36,000
that's what we're out there
doing, and it's working.

1125
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,000
It's working.
It's a Out of work.

1126
01:10:38,300 --> 01:10:42,300
It's one-on-one.
We have 25 women currently in

1127
01:10:42,300 --> 01:10:48,300
our program, we saved 54 babies
in 2022 and it's we do the hard

1128
01:10:48,300 --> 01:10:51,500
work.
I have driven to Wyoming, you

1129
01:10:51,500 --> 01:10:55,700
know, whatever it takes.
That's what we do because these

1130
01:10:55,700 --> 01:10:59,500
women have no support system and
that's why they're walking in

1131
01:10:59,500 --> 01:11:01,200
there, so we become that for
them.

1132
01:11:02,500 --> 01:11:07,100
Do you have any stats on how
many women still?

1133
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:09,600
Choose abortion.
Once they see the ultrasound.

1134
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,400
Yeah, so the stats from our
Clinic are at 80% right now

1135
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:18,500
which is pretty standard the
save, the stork Suzanne.

1136
01:11:18,500 --> 01:11:21,000
A National Organization.
That helps put these mobile

1137
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:26,700
clinics out around the country.
We are not part of them but

1138
01:11:26,700 --> 01:11:30,400
their statistic is 8% also.
So it's fairly common.

1139
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:34,800
We have some pretty difficult
cases, you know, some of the

1140
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:38,700
women that men are are very
abortion minded.

1141
01:11:39,500 --> 01:11:42,000
We're To Pregnancy Resource
Center.

1142
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:46,100
That sees a lot of low-income
women that are already wanting

1143
01:11:46,100 --> 01:11:48,700
to keep their baby and just need
that help and support.

1144
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,500
We're literally pulling the
women in off the sidewalk that

1145
01:11:51,500 --> 01:11:54,700
are in the process of aborting
their babies.

1146
01:11:55,300 --> 01:11:59,200
That's an amazing stat though.
80% of the women that see the

1147
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:04,400
ultrasound end up choosing life.
Yeah, that's, that's amazing.

1148
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,700
God bless you.
God bless you.

1149
01:12:07,700 --> 01:12:11,900
So, What do you think the
biggest hurdle is that that you

1150
01:12:11,900 --> 01:12:16,900
guys faces it just laws?
I mean is it just I mean what's

1151
01:12:16,900 --> 01:12:25,100
your biggest roadblock?
Oh, so laws would be a huge

1152
01:12:25,100 --> 01:12:29,100
deal, right?
If we didn't have planned

1153
01:12:29,100 --> 01:12:32,600
parenthood, able to do 3000
abortions to here.

1154
01:12:32,700 --> 01:12:36,300
We could save more babies, but
we also have a problem that

1155
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,400
they're going to be opening up
clinics across the border,

1156
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,800
they're going to be sending
abortion pills, they're making

1157
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,200
State's abortion does abortion
destinations.

1158
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:48,400
I mean California's talked about
paying for women to come to

1159
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:52,200
California from It's like are to
be able to get an abortion for

1160
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:53,900
free.
So you're taking, they're taking

1161
01:12:53,900 --> 01:12:57,900
away all of those obstacles that
sometimes make a woman, pause

1162
01:12:57,900 --> 01:12:59,900
and try to find another
solution.

1163
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:04,800
So, there's multiple obstacles
that we have in our path, even

1164
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:09,000
when our law gets put into
effect, will still be working to

1165
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:13,800
find those women who, who
possibly, we could change their

1166
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:17,200
mind, change the trajectory of
what they choose.

1167
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:22,000
So I'm moms love their Babies.
It's so interesting because it's

1168
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,800
like blinders on a horse, right?
These women are walking into

1169
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,000
that clinic thinking.
There's only one path that they

1170
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:31,000
can do, and they can't see
anything else available to them.

1171
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:35,000
And we take them and we and we
say well that's not like a

1172
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,000
really great path.
Don't you want this one?

1173
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,400
And we turn their heads a little
bit and we show them the path of

1174
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:41,600
life and the path that will help
them.

1175
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,400
With all of these things they're
struggling with and they can

1176
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:49,900
have their baby and it is
amazing to watch the change in

1177
01:13:49,900 --> 01:13:55,800
them when they are given the
power to to be a mom to keep

1178
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:58,900
their baby when they feel
supported and like that is a

1179
01:13:58,900 --> 01:14:01,200
path that's open to them.
It's amazing to.

1180
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:07,400
It's a beautiful thing to see.
I'll share another story here I

1181
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:10,200
have.
I've never shared with very many

1182
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,400
people.
Much less throwing my voice into

1183
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:20,700
The Ether on it, but my son got
married way young because, you

1184
01:14:20,700 --> 01:14:23,800
know, he was 18 him and his
girlfriend were messing around

1185
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:30,300
and, you know, it happened and I
remember I remember, he came to

1186
01:14:30,300 --> 01:14:34,700
talk to me about it.
And fortunately, it's one of the

1187
01:14:34,700 --> 01:14:37,500
few times I did something,
right, because I didn't freak

1188
01:14:37,500 --> 01:14:40,100
out inside.
I was freaking out inside.

1189
01:14:40,100 --> 01:14:44,800
I was like, I would write
weights a lot that night, right?

1190
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:49,000
Like fortunately, the gyms open
24 hours and I told told my

1191
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:51,700
sweet wife, I'm like, I gotta go
with this.

1192
01:14:51,700 --> 01:14:59,100
This is bad, but The thing I
remember is, is I can either

1193
01:14:59,100 --> 01:15:05,700
make this hard or I can can try
to make this as easy as I can.

1194
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:08,200
Yeah, because we're dealing with
a human life.

1195
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:14,300
Now, we're not dealing with with
rules on Chastity or and I'm

1196
01:15:14,300 --> 01:15:17,300
totally for those, right?
You're talking to, to a pretty

1197
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:21,400
conservative, Mormon God, right?
It would save a lot of trouble

1198
01:15:21,500 --> 01:15:23,700
if went right back to those as a
society.

1199
01:15:23,700 --> 01:15:26,600
Yep.
However, as long as I think

1200
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,200
we're people, we're going to
continue to have this, right?

1201
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:31,800
And so it's one of those things
where I think we have to

1202
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:35,400
reprogram.
Ourselves a little bit right

1203
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:38,200
where where we don't lessen
what's happened.

1204
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:42,600
But yet we also don't hit the
freak out button and create an

1205
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:47,900
opportunity for something way
worse to happen and that's

1206
01:15:47,900 --> 01:15:50,500
that's a hard thing to do.
That's crazy.

1207
01:15:50,500 --> 01:15:53,500
And often times I've wondered,
if there doesn't need to be

1208
01:15:53,500 --> 01:15:57,500
training for for just your
run-of-the-mill, parents on how

1209
01:15:57,500 --> 01:16:01,500
to respond to this, right?
I mean, because I've heard of

1210
01:16:01,500 --> 01:16:05,300
cases and I could Be wrong.
But, you know, a young woman

1211
01:16:05,300 --> 01:16:08,100
says, you know, me and my
boyfriend were screwing around.

1212
01:16:08,100 --> 01:16:12,600
I got pregnant and my parents
freaked out and now she's really

1213
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:15,500
out of options, right?
Right.

1214
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:16,800
They're going to kick me out of
the house.

1215
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:20,700
The interesting thing though
today is that we with our teen

1216
01:16:20,700 --> 01:16:25,400
moms haven't had that when we
meet a Teen Mom, a first thing

1217
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:28,100
we want them to do is to go tell
their parents.

1218
01:16:28,100 --> 01:16:31,900
Yeah.
And all of our teen moms

1219
01:16:31,900 --> 01:16:34,800
parents.
Have been wonderful.

1220
01:16:35,500 --> 01:16:39,600
All of them have been wonderful
and so it's almost the fear that

1221
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:44,200
the teenagers have almost more
than what the parents reaction

1222
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:47,200
ends up.
Being that is driving them into

1223
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,500
that clinic, and that's not all
parents, right?

1224
01:16:49,500 --> 01:16:56,300
I'm sure some of them screw it
up, but we have this societal

1225
01:16:56,300 --> 01:16:59,200
fear, right?
That we gotta cover up certain

1226
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:02,300
sins, more than others, and this
is one that people want to cover

1227
01:17:02,300 --> 01:17:03,700
up.
And I just Want to tell them?

1228
01:17:04,100 --> 01:17:08,500
No, no, no.
You know, the form of abortion

1229
01:17:08,500 --> 01:17:14,800
is even more than what, than the
harm of, you know, while

1230
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:16,800
checking the law of Chastity,
right?

1231
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:20,100
Yeah.
So we don't want to cover up the

1232
01:17:20,100 --> 01:17:24,800
law of Chastity breakage by by
killing your baby.

1233
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:29,300
Like just for these moms, you
know, we totally care about

1234
01:17:29,300 --> 01:17:31,900
these Mom's, right.
We don't want them to suffer

1235
01:17:31,900 --> 01:17:34,500
these Harms.
In any way, right?

1236
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:39,500
Medically or psychologically or
even, you know, eternally,

1237
01:17:39,500 --> 01:17:43,500
right?
So yeah, we I think parents in

1238
01:17:43,500 --> 01:17:45,600
our experience, they've done a
pretty darn good job.

1239
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:49,500
It's just sometimes we are the
people that are there at that

1240
01:17:49,500 --> 01:17:53,700
place at the right time to be
able to help them talk to their

1241
01:17:53,708 --> 01:17:55,500
parents.
Even had one of our cute little

1242
01:17:55,500 --> 01:17:57,600
teen moms who was determined to
do it.

1243
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,600
And her mom said, okay, I'll go
with you.

1244
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:06,400
She couldn't change her mind.
And but her mom was praying, the

1245
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,900
whole time that something would
stop her, that something would

1246
01:18:08,900 --> 01:18:12,500
stop her.
And we were there and we got her

1247
01:18:12,500 --> 01:18:15,800
to come into our Clinic.
We showed her her baby and it

1248
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:19,900
changes, you know, our teens are
not so hardened.

1249
01:18:20,100 --> 01:18:22,100
They just been told certain
things.

1250
01:18:22,100 --> 01:18:25,300
You know, when they see at baby,
they still have that tender

1251
01:18:25,300 --> 01:18:27,400
place in their hearts.
In fact, I still remember the

1252
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:31,700
day that I told my my kids and a
couple of my nieces and nephews.

1253
01:18:31,700 --> 01:18:35,700
What abortion was They're
flabbergasted kids, it's

1254
01:18:35,700 --> 01:18:38,800
unimaginable to them that people
would do that.

1255
01:18:39,100 --> 01:18:43,400
And we lose that, right?
When we normalize that to

1256
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:48,600
children, but these Teen Moms
there, some of the easiest to

1257
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,200
change their mind when they see
their baby because they're still

1258
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:53,300
have some that softness in
there.

1259
01:18:53,700 --> 01:18:56,100
That's awesome.
I remember my son came back to

1260
01:18:56,100 --> 01:18:58,900
me.
When my my granddaughter turned

1261
01:18:58,900 --> 01:19:00,700
five.
We were we were having a

1262
01:19:00,708 --> 01:19:08,000
birthday party and him Him.
And, and And his girlfriend got

1263
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:12,600
married and I remember it was
just late and I was helping him

1264
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:16,400
pack up the car.
And and his wife was in talking

1265
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:20,400
to my wife and he said, dad you
remember when I told you I

1266
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:26,900
thought my life was over and I
was like I do he's like excuse

1267
01:19:26,900 --> 01:19:29,500
me.
He said it was just beginning.

1268
01:19:30,900 --> 01:19:33,700
And I think sometimes we got to
look at that.

1269
01:19:35,500 --> 01:19:39,500
And you realize, you know, yeah,
you've broken a big law here,

1270
01:19:39,500 --> 01:19:41,300
right?
Yeah, you've done some things.

1271
01:19:41,300 --> 01:19:45,000
I would hope you wouldn't have.
And that can't go away.

1272
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:47,600
But same time, I think we got to
be ready to show him the way

1273
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,400
out.
Repentance is.

1274
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,200
Yeah, help them choose life.
Yeah.

1275
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,700
Yeah, and and it's, it's just
one of those things, you know,

1276
01:19:56,700 --> 01:20:03,300
we just, we keep moving forward.
God is in charge of of loving,

1277
01:20:03,300 --> 01:20:07,100
he loves your son, you know, you
love his girlfriend, he loves

1278
01:20:07,100 --> 01:20:11,000
your little granddaughter and
and we are just there to show

1279
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:13,300
them.
There might be a crisis, right?

1280
01:20:13,300 --> 01:20:16,400
This second, you might think
your life is, is over, right?

1281
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:19,100
This is really common for the
women, that that argh walking

1282
01:20:19,100 --> 01:20:22,800
into the clinic, they have this
immediate crisis right in front

1283
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,300
of their Her face and they can't
see a way around it.

1284
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:29,700
And our job is to help them see
the future in a different way to

1285
01:20:29,700 --> 01:20:31,400
help them.
See that we can help them, get

1286
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,000
through this crisis.
Can you imagine thinking?

1287
01:20:34,100 --> 01:20:37,600
Oh, I had that horrible year.
I had the abortion, I thought I

1288
01:20:37,608 --> 01:20:41,300
couldn't do it, but I really
could have, you know, hindsight

1289
01:20:41,300 --> 01:20:44,300
looking back this the next year
was better, and I was doing

1290
01:20:44,300 --> 01:20:47,800
better.
And and, and to feel like I

1291
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:51,600
chose that life ending decision
because I was in the short-term

1292
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,500
crisis situation.
And you know, some of the things

1293
01:20:54,500 --> 01:20:59,800
that are the hardest in our
lives, make us who we are and so

1294
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:05,200
you know we can't say that
everything that's hard is bad,

1295
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:10,000
you know, that that's there can
be blessings, they can be

1296
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,200
blessing.
So we want to be God's hands

1297
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:13,700
when women are in that
situation.

1298
01:21:13,700 --> 01:21:19,300
I believe it was Thomas Paine
who says heaven knows how to fix

1299
01:21:19,300 --> 01:21:25,800
a price to her goods and I think
That that is a very appropriate

1300
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:27,400
statement for this kind of
thing.

1301
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:29,700
Yes it's hard.
There's nothing easy about

1302
01:21:29,700 --> 01:21:32,700
raising kids but it's more than
worth it.

1303
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:38,500
I remember when this whole thing
was going through what I was

1304
01:21:38,500 --> 01:21:43,000
going through it with my son, I
remember I just went and it

1305
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:46,200
struck me as odd because it came
from Brigham Young not.

1306
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:49,700
Not necessarily the guy known
for being necessarily overly

1307
01:21:49,700 --> 01:21:52,500
soft, right?
But I remember I read something

1308
01:21:52,500 --> 01:21:54,000
from him out of the Journal of
discourses.

1309
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,300
And I can't remember what volume
it was or whatever.

1310
01:21:56,300 --> 01:22:01,100
But he said, you know, if our
young people fall into a moment

1311
01:22:01,100 --> 01:22:05,400
of indiscretion, there's a way
that that can be fixed, right?

1312
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:09,400
And I thought and he talked
about being tender and loving in

1313
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:12,700
those moments, too.
Your kids back where they needed

1314
01:22:12,700 --> 01:22:17,500
to be with their kids now and I
thought, okay if that hard-ass

1315
01:22:17,500 --> 01:22:19,400
can do it.
So can I write that?

1316
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:22,300
Was it?
That was, it was initially what

1317
01:22:22,300 --> 01:22:25,700
I thought, but won't know.
You're absolutely right.

1318
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:27,900
So let me ask you this.
Yeah.

1319
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:30,700
What can my audience do to help
you?

1320
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:35,000
As you look at your needs, what
is he can do to help.

1321
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:41,600
So volunteers are the lifeblood
of what we do and I know all of

1322
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:43,800
your volunteer are all of your
listeners aren't going to be

1323
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:49,100
near us most of what we do.
Happens along the Wasatch Front,

1324
01:22:49,100 --> 01:22:52,300
right?
Utah County up through Ogden,

1325
01:22:53,100 --> 01:22:56,900
the majority and statistically
two-thirds of the women that get

1326
01:22:56,900 --> 01:22:59,000
abortions in the state of Utah
live.

1327
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:04,700
In Salt Lake, County proximity
Is a Thing and so that's kind of

1328
01:23:04,700 --> 01:23:08,400
the Hub of what we're doing when
we're working with a mom.

1329
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,100
You know.
It's helpful to be somewhat near

1330
01:23:11,100 --> 01:23:15,100
her, right?
The volunteers are our

1331
01:23:15,100 --> 01:23:17,900
lifeblood.
We always need more more

1332
01:23:17,900 --> 01:23:23,000
volunteers always and so if you
go to our website, pro-life

1333
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:28,300
Utah, dot-org, you can click on
the, get involved Tab and it

1334
01:23:28,300 --> 01:23:31,000
will let you do three things.
It'll let you sign up for our

1335
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:31,800
text tool.
Switch.

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01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:35,000
I already gave you the phone
number for it, will let you sign

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01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,800
up for our monthly newsletter
where you will know when you can

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01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:40,200
help us.
So if you're someone that's

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01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:44,100
going to maybe show up to our
Memorial right, on a vent that

1340
01:23:44,100 --> 01:23:47,000
we have, maybe come to the
capital, every once in a while,

1341
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:51,400
that text alert will just tell
you when and, and that

1342
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,500
newsletter will tell you what
we're doing and when we're doing

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01:23:54,500 --> 01:23:59,700
it and then the other thing you
can do is sign up to volunteer

1344
01:23:59,700 --> 01:24:01,800
with us.
And asks, you a question Mine's

1345
01:24:02,300 --> 01:24:04,600
kind of gets to know a little
bit about your schedule and

1346
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:05,700
things.
And then that goes to my

1347
01:24:05,700 --> 01:24:09,800
volunteer coordinator will
invite you to the next volunteer

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01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:13,400
orientation and just get you
started.

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01:24:15,100 --> 01:24:21,100
We have programs that have been
started by our volunteers are

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01:24:21,100 --> 01:24:25,100
post abortive support programs
and had that in her heart and

1351
01:24:25,100 --> 01:24:29,200
wanted to supply that we had a
need for that in the state.

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01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:35,800
And so we started that And so,
you know, we never know who who

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01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:39,500
we get and what they're going to
how they're going to cause us to

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01:24:39,500 --> 01:24:44,000
expand sometimes.
Again, we have writing teams, we

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01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,500
have the women's support team
ways you can work with women.

1356
01:24:47,500 --> 01:24:52,400
We have a baby Bank just coming
and helping us sort items for

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01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:55,600
our mom's a couple times.
A year is something that people

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01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:59,400
can do.
We have a social media team, if

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01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,700
you need to work from home, you
can an help with our volunteer

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01:25:02,700 --> 01:25:05,700
coordination at home.
There's there's at home things,

1361
01:25:05,700 --> 01:25:08,900
there's in person things,
there's teams that work,

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01:25:08,900 --> 01:25:12,100
specifically, with the women.
If you have that in your heart,

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01:25:12,900 --> 01:25:16,200
we just need people that can
love these women where they're

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01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:21,400
at, and then help them with that
love, right?

1365
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:25,000
So there's so many ways you can
get involved are again our

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01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:28,200
websites pro-life Utah dot or
gets that get involved tab.

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01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:33,100
I say sign up for all three.
You know, it gives you the

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01:25:33,100 --> 01:25:36,700
opportunities to kind of figure
out maybe what is best for you

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01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:39,600
and of course donations are
always needed.

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01:25:40,100 --> 01:25:46,700
We had started our mobile clinic
2021 may have 21, it's been

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01:25:46,700 --> 01:25:49,200
running it was on and off for a
little while it's hard to find

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01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:53,500
pro-life stenographers and
pristinely enough.

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01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:59,400
So the first eight months we
fluxed in service out of service

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01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:01,800
because we had a Time with arson
ographers.

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01:26:02,100 --> 01:26:04,900
But since then, all of 2022,
it's been running.

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01:26:04,900 --> 01:26:06,600
We were open three mornings a
week.

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01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:10,700
We're now expanded to, for
almost half of the donations

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01:26:10,700 --> 01:26:13,700
that we get to run those
programs.

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01:26:13,700 --> 01:26:16,600
And to give women those life,
grant that life Grant, help

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01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:19,300
comes from Individual donors in
the state of Utah.

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01:26:19,700 --> 01:26:23,600
So that's always something, you
know, that you can do, we're

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01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:27,400
going to put out our year-end
report and basically what it

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01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:29,600
will say is this is all the good
we did.

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01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:33,700
And please He's know that all of
your personal donations went to

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01:26:33,700 --> 01:26:37,800
our programs, not for back-end
costs, right?

1386
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:40,800
Those are covered by a grant
that we were able to get.

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01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:46,000
And so you can know that your
money is going specifically to

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01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:49,700
the programs that support these
mumps, fantastic.

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01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:51,700
So, I'm going to ask another
question here.

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01:26:52,100 --> 01:26:55,800
Okay, this one is always one
ice.

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01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:59,600
I personally struggle with
because I never know how to

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01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:04,400
answer it.
Which is one you do you have to

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01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:06,700
be in?
This may sound silly on the

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01:27:06,700 --> 01:27:08,300
surface and I can explain it
later.

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01:27:08,900 --> 01:27:11,300
Do you have to be a woman in
order to volunteer with the

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01:27:11,300 --> 01:27:14,600
organization?
No, we don't.

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01:27:15,700 --> 01:27:19,400
We have actually men on the
sidewalk and some of them are

1398
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:24,000
able to talk to women almost
easier than some of our women.

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01:27:24,500 --> 01:27:28,800
You never know what personality
is going to restore like

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01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:30,300
resonate with the women.
Walking.

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01:27:30,500 --> 01:27:32,000
In.
So they're told by Planned

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01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,000
Parenthood that that we are
protesters.

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01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:36,200
They're told not to talk to us.
They're told not to take our

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01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:39,400
gift bag, they're told to ignore
us through.

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01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:42,100
Been told to pretend they're on
their phone while they walk in

1406
01:27:42,100 --> 01:27:47,200
so that you know it's harder for
us to talk to them and yet still

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01:27:47,300 --> 01:27:51,200
were able to talk to some of
them and and give them support

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01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:54,700
and we have some men out there
too.

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01:27:54,700 --> 01:27:57,500
So on our women's support team
that worked directly with the

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01:27:57,508 --> 01:28:02,500
women during their pregnancy
that is all Women based but we

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01:28:02,500 --> 01:28:05,700
have men that do writing for us,
we have men that are helping

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01:28:05,700 --> 01:28:11,000
with legislative efforts there's
a lot of places for men I think.

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01:28:13,900 --> 01:28:15,800
And I'll just speak for myself
on this.

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01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:19,500
But but in some of the other
guys, I've talked to that are

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01:28:19,500 --> 01:28:25,800
that are pro-life to the degree.
I am we get this feeling like

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01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:29,600
you don't get to have a dog in
this fight, right?

1417
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:34,700
Yeah.
That you your, your opinion is a

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01:28:34,700 --> 01:28:39,200
far, far, third consideration.
Yeah.

1419
01:28:39,700 --> 01:28:41,200
And I don't know if that's by
Design.

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01:28:41,300 --> 01:28:44,200
Zayn.
I don't know if that is just how

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01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:46,600
the battle went down.
I don't know what happened, but

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01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:50,400
it never set, quite right with,
right.

1423
01:28:50,500 --> 01:28:55,300
You are men, are the other half
of that, baby, right?

1424
01:28:55,600 --> 01:29:01,000
We've done such a disservice
because let me give you a common

1425
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:04,800
example, right?
You've got a boyfriend and

1426
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:08,900
girlfriend or a young woman and
a young man who know each other

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01:29:09,300 --> 01:29:10,600
they get in trouble a little
bit.

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01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:15,100
They have Get pregnant, right?
We have taught this generation

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01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:18,000
to tell the woman.
Well, whatever you want to do,

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01:29:18,900 --> 01:29:23,000
I'll let you do it, right?
But what you really have is a

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01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:26,100
woman that wants you to say, I'm
here for you.

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01:29:26,500 --> 01:29:29,700
I you know, I'm going to be here
for your baby.

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01:29:29,700 --> 01:29:33,200
I want your baby, she wants
concrete.

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01:29:35,100 --> 01:29:39,300
Concrete knowledge that he's
going to be be there, but the

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01:29:39,300 --> 01:29:41,200
pro-choice talking points have
taught him.

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01:29:41,300 --> 01:29:43,700
That he's not allowed to say
anything.

1437
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:46,200
He's not allowed to say, you
know what, I really want our

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01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:48,600
baby.
I really want to be with you and

1439
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,000
I really want to be a good
father to this baby.

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01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:53,800
He's not allowed.
We've had this situation in our

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01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:57,700
Clinic multiple times where
these women come in.

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01:29:57,700 --> 01:30:01,400
And and, you know, the man is
with them and he's like whatever

1443
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:07,300
you want to do, and you can just
see her wanting to know that

1444
01:30:07,300 --> 01:30:08,700
there's going to be that
support.

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01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:11,100
And so it's the biggest
disservice we have.

1446
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:15,700
Done to both women and two men
to tell men that they don't have

1447
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:18,000
a say, in what happens to their
child.

1448
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:22,800
Yeah, yeah.
And I was very fortunate,

1449
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:26,600
growing up, I didn't grow up
Mormon at all.

1450
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:30,200
But my old man.
He was, he was old school.

1451
01:30:30,900 --> 01:30:36,600
And I remember shortly before he
passed, I had to have been 13

1452
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:40,400
and I remember, he said, look,
if you loved her enough to do

1453
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:43,100
that with her, you A better
lover enough stick, buyer.

1454
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:49,500
And I, you know, I taught my
son's the the same thing, right?

1455
01:30:51,100 --> 01:30:56,800
And I think in some respects we
kind of taught Especially this

1456
01:30:56,800 --> 01:31:00,700
last generation, how to be weak
a little too much.

1457
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:05,600
And I think I honestly think
that, that sometimes the most

1458
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:08,300
dangerous man in our the week
once, right.

1459
01:31:08,300 --> 01:31:12,500
It's okay to say, no, I we're
going to get through this

1460
01:31:12,500 --> 01:31:16,700
somehow together.
We'll make this work, and I just

1461
01:31:16,700 --> 01:31:20,100
think it's so important that men
get involved in this.

1462
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:24,300
I think I think it was a clever
tactic because it even made me

1463
01:31:24,300 --> 01:31:27,000
feel like you do.
I I have a dog in this fight.

1464
01:31:27,100 --> 01:31:29,300
I mean it really did.
It took me a while to work

1465
01:31:29,300 --> 01:31:33,100
through that to be like well no
no that's not really right.

1466
01:31:33,100 --> 01:31:36,500
I do have a dog in this fight.
It's a human rights issue and

1467
01:31:36,500 --> 01:31:40,100
everybody should be involved
filed in a human rights issue.

1468
01:31:40,500 --> 01:31:42,400
Everybody, we are all human
beings.

1469
01:31:42,700 --> 01:31:45,100
We, there's little boys and
little girls who are losing

1470
01:31:45,100 --> 01:31:49,100
their life and we are all able
to say this is wrong, and I'm

1471
01:31:49,100 --> 01:31:50,500
going to be part of the
solution.

1472
01:31:51,100 --> 01:31:54,100
Absolutely.
Is there anything you want to

1473
01:31:54,100 --> 01:31:55,900
cover that?
We didn't Deanna.

1474
01:31:56,700 --> 01:31:59,400
Oh, gosh.
That's like the one question.

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01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:00,700
I'm not ready for.
I think.

1476
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:05,100
You know, don't be afraid to to
talk about it.

1477
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:08,400
I think that's probably the
biggest problem.

1478
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:12,400
Don't be afraid to get
knowledgeable about it.

1479
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,700
Go to that abortion,
procedures.com.

1480
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:16,900
It's the easiest way in 20
minutes.

1481
01:32:16,900 --> 01:32:20,300
You can watch all those videos
and you will have a much greater

1482
01:32:20,300 --> 01:32:22,300
understanding of what we're
looking at.

1483
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:25,800
There's even in a video with dr.
Levatino who used to perform

1484
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:29,600
abortions and he talks about
life of the mother, how he was

1485
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:31,900
in a high-risk clinic and he
never.

1486
01:32:31,900 --> 01:32:36,100
Once had a mom, do an abortion
for a high-risk pregnancy.

1487
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:40,500
So we have this understand like
people think that we have to

1488
01:32:40,508 --> 01:32:42,500
have an abortion.
Well the truth is if I'm

1489
01:32:42,500 --> 01:32:46,400
preeclamptic and I my blood
pressures too high.

1490
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:49,100
What do they do?
They induce me, they bring the

1491
01:32:49,108 --> 01:32:51,200
baby early.
They treat the baby like a human

1492
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:55,100
being and give it.
Much care as they can, right?

1493
01:32:55,100 --> 01:32:58,700
That's not an abortion when they
don't, they don't send me for a

1494
01:32:58,708 --> 01:33:01,500
three-day third-trimester
abortion when I'm preeclamptic,

1495
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:05,200
right?
So doctors treat women and their

1496
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:08,900
babies and sometimes we have to
separate the mom and the baby

1497
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:13,000
and sometimes one of them may
not survive, the baby might not

1498
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:16,900
survive, but if you lose the
mom, you lose them both.

1499
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:20,900
And so these doctors all across
the state of Utah are dealing

1500
01:33:20,900 --> 01:33:26,200
with these situations every day.
There, R not abortions and so

1501
01:33:26,300 --> 01:33:29,600
there's just knowledge that were
missing as a society.

1502
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:32,700
And the more you learn, the more
you'll be prepared.

1503
01:33:32,700 --> 01:33:37,400
When people come at you with
false information right there,

1504
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:43,400
misunderstanding of what it is,
it is 100% okay, to be pro-life.

1505
01:33:44,300 --> 01:33:47,900
There is a good answer for all
of those things swirling out

1506
01:33:47,900 --> 01:33:52,200
around there and so educating
yourself makes you a much better

1507
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:55,300
advocate.
For life because you can, you

1508
01:33:55,300 --> 01:33:57,100
have an answer to those
questions, right?

1509
01:33:57,100 --> 01:34:00,700
So learn get involved, whatever
you have the time for.

1510
01:34:00,700 --> 01:34:03,400
I've got some beautiful
volunteers who have small

1511
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:07,600
children, and I just marvel at
them, every day, what they're

1512
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:09,700
able to do.
I was a mess when I had little

1513
01:34:09,700 --> 01:34:13,700
kids, right?
But they care and we find a

1514
01:34:13,708 --> 01:34:18,700
place that they can serve in the
space and the time that they

1515
01:34:18,700 --> 01:34:22,600
have, right?
Because we need you, we need you

1516
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:24,500
and we We don't just need you in
our organization.

1517
01:34:24,500 --> 01:34:28,000
We need you talking about it.
Nobody wants to say the a word,

1518
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:31,300
you know, I was asked to speak
in church and I this shows a

1519
01:34:31,308 --> 01:34:35,400
little bit of my personality,
but I was asked to speak about

1520
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:39,500
the service that I do.
And I said, are you sure you

1521
01:34:39,500 --> 01:34:42,700
want me to do that?
And they said, oh, yeah, yeah.

1522
01:34:43,700 --> 01:34:50,000
And I purposely said the a word
10 times in my chair, girl,

1523
01:34:50,700 --> 01:34:54,300
because we don't talk about it.
We're afraid to talk about it.

1524
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:59,300
We're afraid to to mention it.
We don't want to hurt anybody's

1525
01:34:59,300 --> 01:35:00,800
feelings.
You know what?

1526
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:04,200
When I, when I started doing
this work and I started talking

1527
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:09,400
about it, people realize that I
was a safe place and I was able

1528
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:11,200
to women.
Came to me.

1529
01:35:11,500 --> 01:35:14,900
Women that I didn't know they
were post-abortive, they came to

1530
01:35:14,900 --> 01:35:18,400
me because now I was a safe
place when we don't talk about

1531
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:22,400
this with each other, these
women walk around feeling, like

1532
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:25,400
we would look at them, the way
they look at themselves.

1533
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:29,500
And the truth is who you were
when you were 18 and scared is

1534
01:35:29,500 --> 01:35:33,400
not who you are when you're 45
today and that's the person I

1535
01:35:33,407 --> 01:35:36,800
know and I have a lot of
compassion for that scared, 18

1536
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:41,300
year old person but that 45 year
old woman still thinks that we

1537
01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:44,700
We are going to look at her like
that because we never talked

1538
01:35:44,700 --> 01:35:48,000
about it.
And so Beast, be that safe

1539
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:51,500
place.
Be that person, who, who shows

1540
01:35:51,500 --> 01:35:55,700
that compassion, be the person
that that loves that Teen Mom,

1541
01:35:55,700 --> 01:36:01,000
or that early 20s mom, in your
congregation sit by her, right,

1542
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:03,600
go to her, baby, shower,
whatever it is.

1543
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:08,800
Let's change this culture, her
her choices and what she did

1544
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:11,800
that's between her and God,
what's not between her God is

1545
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:15,600
what we do.
How we treat her is, is our job,

1546
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:18,100
right?
That's our job is to love her.

1547
01:36:18,700 --> 01:36:22,700
I think that's that's perfect
because that's really the only

1548
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:26,100
if we're going to win this
thing, we're going to win it

1549
01:36:26,100 --> 01:36:29,000
with love.
We're not going to win it with

1550
01:36:29,300 --> 01:36:31,900
criticism.
We're not going to win it with

1551
01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:36,600
this idea of, you know.
Yeah, you did a completely

1552
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:38,400
shameful thing and you should
pay for that.

1553
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:41,200
The rest of your life, this has
to be one with love.

1554
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:45,300
Of and if we're on the other
side of what something would be

1555
01:36:45,300 --> 01:36:49,800
considered, love, we don't stand
much of a chance Deanna.

1556
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:53,000
We just don't so I loved what
you said there.

1557
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:57,900
Yeah, I think I think we have
got to to change how we respond

1558
01:36:57,900 --> 01:37:00,500
to people.
Do we believe in the atonement

1559
01:37:00,500 --> 01:37:04,500
or do we not right?
And if we do then that is that's

1560
01:37:04,500 --> 01:37:08,200
that's there for them just as
much as it is for us and an our

1561
01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:12,700
job is not to punish our job is
to Support and help and be God's

1562
01:37:12,700 --> 01:37:14,200
hands.
Yeah yeah.

1563
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:19,000
And and I don't know anybody who
would ever encourage somebody to

1564
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:24,700
go commit, a greater sin to try
to cover up the Lesser one where

1565
01:37:24,700 --> 01:37:27,800
I'm glad you don't.
But there are, there are people.

1566
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:33,300
Yeah, there are.
Yeah, well, Deanna, your

1567
01:37:33,300 --> 01:37:36,800
Rockstar everything you guys do
over there is amazing.

1568
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:41,900
I follow you close on Facebook.
Thank you for my listeners.

1569
01:37:41,900 --> 01:37:45,700
I'm going to say this.
I usually throw something up on

1570
01:37:45,700 --> 01:37:48,600
every episode where I say
donations are welcome and they

1571
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:52,300
are but this time give it to
her, give it give it to pro-life

1572
01:37:52,300 --> 01:37:55,200
Utah.
That's going to make a bigger

1573
01:37:55,200 --> 01:38:02,000
difference if you want to.
I'm just going to say, if you

1574
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:05,100
want to make sure that you were
good with the god of Abraham,

1575
01:38:05,100 --> 01:38:10,900
Isaac, and Jacob choose life,
Moses laid it out perfectly.

1576
01:38:11,500 --> 01:38:18,700
And, and in Exodus choose life,
donate volunteer, get involved

1577
01:38:18,700 --> 01:38:25,600
because History tells us
scriptural history tells us.

1578
01:38:26,100 --> 01:38:30,000
Yeah, how we treat the
defenseless?

1579
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:35,200
Is is who we are and and
judgments will follow.

1580
01:38:35,700 --> 01:38:39,800
We need everyone's help to, to
take back our, our godliness to

1581
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:43,400
take back, our culture to become
who we, we should be as a

1582
01:38:43,407 --> 01:38:45,400
society, we need everybody's
help.

1583
01:38:46,100 --> 01:38:48,700
Absolutely.
Dina, would you mind coming back

1584
01:38:48,900 --> 01:38:50,000
D?
An excuse me?

1585
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:53,300
Would you mind coming back on
when you get when stuff comes

1586
01:38:53,300 --> 01:38:54,800
up?
I'd love to keep chatting with

1587
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:56,800
you.
Yeah, now that you're going on

1588
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:59,400
with the, with a crazy
fundamentalist, once it's

1589
01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:01,700
probably not quite so scary.
Time around.

1590
01:39:01,700 --> 01:39:05,700
So we'll talk to it will talk to
everyone about this, right?

1591
01:39:05,700 --> 01:39:10,200
This is this is something that
passes barriers, perfect,

1592
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:11,800
perfect, yeah.
Keep us up-to-date.

1593
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:15,000
You need you let me know.
I'll shout it from the rooftops.

1594
01:39:15,300 --> 01:39:17,100
Perfect.
Thank you, Dave, I appreciate

1595
01:39:17,100 --> 01:39:18,700
you having me on.
Thank you.

1596
01:39:19,100 --> 01:39:20,000
Bye.
All right.

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01:39:42,100 --> 01:39:44,800
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