Episode #45: You Are Qualified: Home Schooling Ideas & Techniques W/Russ Barlow

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So I've said it before on this
podcast, I don't like talking

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about a problem without talking
about the solution.

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I've had a couple of episodes
where I feel like we've done a

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really good job of breaking
down, just how messed up public

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education system is, and just
how much danger there is there.

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So, on this episode, I have rust
borrow on again, talk about his

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family's experience in home
school, rest breaks down exactly

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how he and his wife were able to
educate their children at home

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with a practical easy to follow
method.

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What I'm hoping you've listener
takes away from this episode is

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a knowledge that you can educate
your own children and that

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despite what the so-called
experts say you are capable and

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qualified to educate your
children.

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If you head over to my YouTube
channel, you can see the

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material thrust uses in this
video.

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Sent off the materials rust

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You're listening to the Mormon
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Well, I'm back again with Russ
Barlow and last time the two

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previous times Russ and I were
were together and having

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conversations we first kind of
cover, just the basics of the

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universal model and I was just
fascinated with that.

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And we kind of talked about, you
know, how the universal model.

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Not only reveal certain things
about science but it also is a

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way that it kind of helps
program.

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I shouldn't say program.
That's That's that's the wrong

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word, teaches people.
How to think critically and and

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allows a different mindset for
Learning and then rest came back

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on and full disclosure, we had a
conversation that just scared

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the crap right out of me when
you start tracing back, just how

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how Insidious the roots of
progressivism and Marxism.

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And I'm just going to call it
like, I see it here, even

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Luciferian.
Some of the things were in

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public education.
Now, as I've said before, I'm

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not the kind of guy that likes
to just say, you know, hey,

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here's a problem.
I want to give you the listener,

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some solutions.
So today on the podcast, Russ

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and I are going to have a
conversation about his

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experience in him and his wife
teaching their children and also

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about truth Seekers and what
that is.

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So with that, Russ, Dude, it's
always good to see you man.

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I appreciate you coming back on.
It's great to see you too.

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Dave.
You know I think this is

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something that's very near and
dear to my wife and I and our

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family.
And you know, all the other

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things that we talked about
about how education got where it

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is the universal model.
It's all kind of meaningless,

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unless we can figure out how to
take that information into our

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families and give our children.
The things they need the tools,

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they need to stand against this
kind of a progressive rewriting

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of our history and a progressive
taking away of the truth.

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And that's, that's our whole
point.

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Is what can we do to give our
kids, the proper tools to fight

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this and to win this battle?
So what?

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Let me ask you this, before we
Dive In Too Deep, do you

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remember there being like a
breaking point at, which you

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said?
Okay, enough's enough, we're

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going to teach the kids
ourselves there actually were

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more than one breaking point
because we have 15 children, and

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they didn't come all at once.
They came a little here and a

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little there.
Probably one of the biggest

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upsets in our whole life was
our, first our oldest daughter,

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that's our third child was deaf.
And when we were presented with

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that idea, it was I think a lot
of people kind of have this idea

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that.
Well, you're going to grow out

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of it, right?
You can teach them and they'll

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grow out of this deafness.
And when we were talking to the

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lady, that was kind of helping
coach us and she asked us this

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question.
Do you think that It's worse to

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be blind or deaf and most of us
that see feel like it would be

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worse for us to be blind.
That it would be for every

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death, we can get around.
We can see right, right.

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But in fact, it's far worse to
be deaf, because being deaf at

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starting out life at a young age
of being deaf means, there's no

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language and if there's no
language, there's no way to

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remember things.
There's no way to associate

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things, and there's no way to
create relationships that Ask

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because if you can't hear,
there's no way to connect all

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these dots.
So given the think given the

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worst handicap deafness is
actually by far today, you have

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a deaf Community but you don't
have a blind Community because

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the deaf Community have have to
come together on their own

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terms.
So deafness is by far a long

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term or long term and a more
difficult handicap to deal with

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especially our deaf daughter is
going to be in the hearing world

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are associating that so that
that really turned our old world

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upside down in.
And when you were sending your

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kids to school, where there any
programs or anything like that,

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that they offered to try to help
bridge that Gap?

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Well, that's actually, we kind
of like to jokingly say that we

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had two kids in college, when by
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early 20s.
That's because one of them are

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deaf.
Daughter went to a hearing on to

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a hearing impaired program at
one college in Nevada, Clark

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County Community, College CCS n
and the other or son or older

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son.
He had a speech impediment.

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They had a program at UNLV and
so, our kids would go off in the

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morning to you and I will be in
the ccs and they were only five,

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you know.
So that was your thing.

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Nice, nice, but you know, what
happened for us at that time.

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Is that because there wasn't a
lot of programs.

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There wasn't even a testing
program in place, in Nevada,

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that Heidi got pretty involved
in actually spearheaded being a

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part of an Alexander Graham Bell
Foundation here called sound

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Foundation.
We were acting President and

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Vice President, she was mostly
the the one that did all the

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work, but she not only got
involved in the program of

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taking the our deaf daughter who
had a little bit of residual

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hearing and helping.
Learn how to live and function

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in the hearing world.
So she actually learned to talk,

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she learned to use a little bit
of residual hearing and then

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about the time she was 12 we
were able to get Cochlear

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implants for so she functions
completely in the hearing world

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but that was a battle.
And the long-term thing, what

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happened is that we got involved
created a parent infant program,

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where we would teach the kids
and our own business.

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We had a little office upstairs,
go to conference room.

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We have people come over and she
would work with and teach

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parents of deaf kids how to
communicate with them?

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How to help them and you and
I'll be like the program so.

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Well, they actually ended up
importing it and taking it and

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making it part of their program.
The other thing that we did was

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she was instrumental in getting
early hearing intervention

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testing done at all the
hospitals.

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That's now a law in Nevada where
babies are born in their

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automatically tested for hearing
loss.

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So that You can catch it early
earlier, you can get it, the

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better.
So that was kind of the that

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time in our life was shaped
quite a bit by our involvement

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in teaching, deaf children how
to speak and orally.

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Communicate, the oral World,
hmm.

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And but that was kind of the,
the impetus for like, With you

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know, you guys feeling like hey
we can do this better than

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anybody else could.
Well there was a we weren't

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homeschooling so much there
because we have all they were

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always in these special programs
and so in the special programs

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we were involved in it.
That was part of the requirement

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as we had to go co-teach and and
Heidi also worked with when she

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went into regular mainstream
Elementary School, she would go

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sit in the classrooms and she
would teach the teachers how to

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do.
This, she actually had a some

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really cool ways of teaching
teachers, how to teach speech

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sounds and how to treat each and
then Heidi would have to bring

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it home, teach our daughter.
All of this information that she

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was going to learn at school so
she was pre-teaching and then

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sending it back and it was a way
of taking whatever they were

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going to teach and learning the
language.

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Mostly, that's what it's about.
It's about feeding language and

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about learning language.
What we did not realize is that

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all that was kind of training
for us to understand how home

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schools ought to work in a
family and some of the things

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that are more important, what
we've what we've lost.

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But the next thing that came
along as we had twins, and they

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cling girls, they're also
autistic.

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And so that was a whole nother.
That's a, that's like level 2.

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So the the deaf and
hearing-impaired was level one.

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That was a learning experience.
And our house was never quiet

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after the death daughter because
you and I, if you, if I were to

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ask you to describe an apple
Dave, go ahead.

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What, how would you describe an
apple?

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You were just in an apple.
Yeah, it's a fruit that grows on

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a tree.
It can either be red or green or

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golden in color because it's a
fruit, it has seeds inside of

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it.
It's edible and it's delicious.

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So that's really great.
But if you think about all the

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words, you just use that have no
meaning, right?

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Delicious edible from a tree
unless, you know where you're

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outside.
There is a tree about 20 to 30

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percent of the words.
You just used are disconnected

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to a deaf person because they've
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They don't know that word you
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the random thing.
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taught that and it has to be
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over and over again.
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naturally.
They have to be taught that.

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And so what Heidi would do is
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would think that you did a
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they're first introduced to the
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and say, oh, look at this apple,
this apple is round, the round

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apple is red.
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top and then on the bottom,
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stem that comes out.
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This stick comes out of the
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has a bump.
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Now take that and go on and you
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a really long time that meant
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house except for when everybody
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of what the school would
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the board.
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actually been a different figure
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know what was wrong.
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dove into is to try to
understand brain injury.

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Autism is actually just a brain
injury so if you really Help

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somebody with autism.
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brain.
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happens.
If you have a stroke or the same

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thing that happens.
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can happen during birth, you can
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attack, where that the baby
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something oxygen and and it's
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So that dyspraxia can actually
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to overcome that speech
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stroke or something.
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Heidi actually got really deep
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a program with a friend called
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pieces of information rapidly
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these, these two autistic girl
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learning.
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box where they'd have to Feel
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sandpaper or feathers, or really
gross things or whatever she

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would do, all that because it
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reprogramming, the brain.
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an autistic or in a brain injury
that the brain somehow Has a

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Miss fire and it has to be
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to make new connections.
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along the way.
They were also in special

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programs.
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schools and and Heidi would not
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individual education programs
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She became an advocate for
others, and she would have these

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meetings where School
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principals, they would try to
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They can't do this and they
don't, and she knew her way,

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well enough that if she came to
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well, knew whatever she said it
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happen because she have the
Firepower, that if she needed to

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talk to attorneys and follow due
process, they knew she would

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know how to do that.
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guard and on their toes when she
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And she's she's an introvert
actually, but boy, when you get,

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she gets Unleashed in front of
somebody over kids, that

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introvert goes away.
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And this incredibly powerful
woman comes out better go away.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No I can I've seen my wife get?

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Yeah.
You know, we always eiu.

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Always used to.
Wow, you kind of think to

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myself, here comes, you know,
the Mother Bear, right?

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I know for a fact that there's
nothing more dangerous than a

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mama bear, protecting her.
Cub so well, and What she, she

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had an uncanny ability though to
make the enemies or friends are

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for the most part.
Those that wanted that were

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there for the wrong reason,
never did become friends, but

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she would, for example, go sit
in a classroom and the teacher

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would get so uncomfortable
because you'd be sitting back

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there taking notes, it was
because she was just observing.

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And then she'd go home and she'd
create kind of a workbook or cue

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sheets.
You do this massive amount of

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work, go into the teacher and
say, okay, here's a tool that

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can help you do this.
Those teachers would often take

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that from then on for the rest
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That's what they used as their
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So, this is there's a lot of
stuff that kind of came to play,

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like, working on the brain
injury and dealing with the

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deafness and dealing with the
other things we, as we went

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along.
And that that's all part of what

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shaped our homeschool Journey.
Now, what we really, Really did

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is at first we just pulled the
kids out of Junior High.

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We junior high was the worst
time so we would let them go

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into Elementary because we had
so much going on.

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And then when they go back into
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kind of how we did it for the
first few kids. and that worked

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out pretty well until some
things started happening at an

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incident with With one of our
daughters, it local school here

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and it was, it was just time she
saw that she was walking and it

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was like the Sea of darkness and
it wasn't that they were people,

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you know, kids that were of
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It was that there was this kind
of Darkness that was over the

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whole body of the students that
were walking out of that school

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and she looked over.
And she thought, oh, there's one

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that's just bright.
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And why did I wonder what who
she is when she realized that

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was our daughter and and that
was when the spirit said, get

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her out now So that was the big
change and right after that, we

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pulled them all out of
everything.

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There was one event that kind of
confirmed that to about the same

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time as she pulled up to the
elementary school we had.

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I think two kids, maybe three
kids that were going there at

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the time and as she pulled up,
it looked like she said, she

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described it.
It looks like a bank run, like,

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people were just kind of going
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You know what it is?
And as she walked in because

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she's had this relationship with
people over these years doing

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these things, the one lady
caught her eye and she kind of

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Nodded to her, she Quicks
straddled our three kids out.

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And they got in the car and we
left every other kid in that

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school was locked down but on
buses taken to an off-site they

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were doing a full shooter kind
of a mock and they wouldn't let

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parents even talk to their kids
or have their kids for about

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three to four hours after that
they took him.

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They bust them and took them off
to another undisclosed school

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and You know we didn't have to
go through that but that was

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kind of about the same time that
it was.

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Okay we're done.
We're out we're completely out.

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So that was the Catalyst.
You know I remember just real

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quick my experience.
I remember being bored to tears

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in school all the way through
and I didn't know it then

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because I was kind of immature
and it's not that I'm a whole

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bunch more mature now but a
little bit I can look back with

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hindsight and one of the things
that that that I noticed was

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that I was really good in the
subjects, I liked right writing

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English History and a few
electives other than that I just

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had no interest and There was
just kind of a lack of trying

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there.
Fast forward now.

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I'm pretty certain that that my
son has ADHD.

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That's what the school diagnosed
him with or add, excuse me.

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Why don't one of them and they
wanted to cram drugs down his

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throat?
It was like look this is what we

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want to do and I'm like,
absolutely not, absolutely not.

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There's nothing wrong with it.
I mean I sympathize with the

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teacher, right?
She's got 30 kids and and she

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can't necessarily devote a whole
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So we, we took our kids out of
school and this was right before

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the pandemic.
Russ, this was probably this was

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probably The fall of 2019.
So we take our kids out of

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school and they start doing
homeschooling and it's kind of

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an online format, kind of a
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And the first thing I noticed
was that the kids.

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My two kids, they just wanted to
sleep right now.

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I have six kids total.
These are our last two.

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These are our twins.
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a half, they just wanted to
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And I couldn't figure it out and
I honestly think it was like a

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detox time.
I don't know how else to

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describe it, right?
Because they just I could I

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didn't realize it at the time,
probably, because it was just

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always the way it was.
But I look back now, and every

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time they came home from school
or right before they went to

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school, they were just amped up,
right?

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And not in a good way.
Not in like, hey, excited sort

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of way.
It was like, anxiety. and when

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they got home, And they realized
they didn't have to go back.

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They just kind of almost
exhaled.

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And I remember my wife and I
were talking like, we should

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really get him up and I'm like,
yeah, I don't know.

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Maybe we should just let this go
for a week or two and then pick

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this back up, but What I've
noticed is that my kids don't

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have nearly the anxiety that
they once did.

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They went out and got jobs
because the other thing I

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noticed was that to complete the
the stuff that we asked him to

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complete, that's required.
They're getting it done and I

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don't know, four to six hours
tops.

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And so I'm like, well, what what
the hell were you doing the

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other?
Three hours of the day?

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Why you were there, right?
And this raises a whole bunch of

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questions.
And so they went and got jobs

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and and they're doing fantastic.
I mean they're passing their

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courses with better grades and
what they had before they are

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getting real world experience.
So you're talking to a guy who

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used to say homeschooling for
weird.

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Those right, I'll not going to
lie, I was that guy.

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I was like, oh your kids are
gonna be so awkward and

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backwards in the end.
It's not going to be good and

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and now I tell my adult
children, I'm like, you may want

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to think about keeping them home
and not sending them off to

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school.
You bring up a couple of good

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points and one of them is will
go through in a minute and talk

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about that myths about
homeschoolers.

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But, you know, we live in a
culture, the The Latter-Day

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Saint culture is one of not
homeschooling.

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They put such an emphasis on
state schools and church

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schools, and they actually back
in the 80s late 80s.

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They came out with letter, that
was read from the first

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presidency that were the signs
of apostasy.

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And this was it about this
during a time when there was

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kind of this movement of this
Patriot movement, a little bit

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different than the one today,
but it was a pig Create movement

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and that was where people were
saying they don't have to pay

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taxes is you're a free man, you
don't have to get a driver's

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license because you're a, you
have this, you know, this

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constitutional right to drive a
car.

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And it became kind of a big, big
deal about these things that

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these Patriot movement people
were doing, and at that

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particular time, there were the
put together a list of what kind

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of a person is in danger of
apostasy because of these

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things.
And one of them was excessive

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attention to things like Patriot
movement or being involved in

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that.
But one of the other things was

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home, school home.
Schooling was actually Mark of a

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potential apostasy and another
thing was too much attention on

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certain books of scripture like
the book of Isaiah.

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So the very things that we
should be doing, were included

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in a list of things that would
recognize people as potential

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apostate behavior.
And so what that did is it sort

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of set up a culture that not
only did you have to fight the

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normal myths?
Of homeschooling.

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But you kind of had to go
against your whole culture

450
00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:29,200
because you are considered
Potentially an apostate and that

451
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,800
was in Utah.
Wasn't so much in down here.

452
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,600
But that was a, an interesting
thing, they have to fight.

453
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,400
And I think that's the reason so
many members of the church and

454
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,200
even the Divergent groups that
have grown up with this kind of

455
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,900
idea that homeschooling is for
the fundamentalist

456
00:27:46,900 --> 00:27:48,400
homeschooling.
And for those people, they're

457
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,200
off the grid that are kind of
cooks.

458
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,400
Like you said, they're, you
know, they're kind of weirdos.

459
00:27:54,300 --> 00:27:59,100
So so let me ask you this.
Because, obviously, I didn't

460
00:27:59,100 --> 00:28:06,900
become a Mormon, kill, 1995, but
wasn't Howard not Benson either

461
00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:09,700
in the first presidency or the
president of the church during

462
00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:12,100
those days.
And he was, he was a pretty

463
00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:15,600
stalwart Patriot, right?
Yes, he was actually.

464
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,000
And so it wasn't him that put
this out there and, you know,

465
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,700
Benson, I believe was a patriot.
I believe he was a

466
00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:27,900
constitutionalist and He was a
member of the John Birch Society

467
00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:32,000
of John Birch Society and so he
had to temper some of those

468
00:28:32,008 --> 00:28:35,600
things.
As a an apostle he was had to do

469
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,700
that but there was a battle that
was going on behind closed doors

470
00:28:40,700 --> 00:28:46,600
in the church and that battle
was over those people that

471
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,600
wanted to be true to the
Constitution.

472
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,300
That wanted to resist.
This changing narrative, that

473
00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:54,400
was coming.
And then there were those that

474
00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:57,600
Wanted the changing narrative,
they wanted to bring that in, so

475
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,600
this battle that's going on
inside the church.

476
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,800
We talked a little bit about
that during our last podcast and

477
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:11,600
this battle didn't just affect
BYU, it affected the whole idea

478
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,000
of schools.
Utah is affected by that because

479
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,000
you had Seminary programs that
were in right ingrained in this

480
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,800
part of the school's.
When I went to high school I

481
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,200
wasn't a member of the church.
So I didn't go to Seminary And

482
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,100
if you didn't go to Seminary,
you were pretty much an outcast

483
00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:30,400
or an outsider.
You know.

484
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,400
That was a, it was a separator
from who you were.

485
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:40,000
But at the time, I was in a
private school up to eighth

486
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,900
grade and then after eighth
grade, I was in home school,

487
00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:46,800
just at home and then after a
couple of years, it was just

488
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,300
going nowhere for me.
So I told my mom, I want to go

489
00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:54,200
back to school and that's how I
kind of got to know the school

490
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,200
side of the high school side of
things.

491
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:04,700
When I was a young young man, it
blows my mind that I'd never

492
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:07,900
heard of that but it blows my
mind that in the 80s.

493
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:11,100
There was actually a letter from
the first presidency and said,

494
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:14,400
homeschooling is a sign of
apostasy or or can be an

495
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,900
indicator of apostasy, right?
And it wasn't wasn't that that

496
00:30:17,900 --> 00:30:23,100
was specific, it was just a list
of things in a lot more that

497
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,800
would suggest somebody might be
in danger of apostasy.

498
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,700
So it didn't say you were an
apostate.

499
00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:33,100
It didn't say that directly.
But sometimes things have

500
00:30:33,100 --> 00:30:36,900
unintended consequences, things
might be well intended, but they

501
00:30:36,900 --> 00:30:39,500
certainly don't come across.
And I think one of the not

502
00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:44,700
well-intended things was that
there was the stigma placed on

503
00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:49,000
home school in general, because
if you're a homeschooler, you

504
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,800
were probably a associating with
some fundamentalist group and

505
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,000
therefore you are in danger of
apostasy because that was the

506
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,100
idea that was the mindset behind
it.

507
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,100
But anyway, that kind of leads
us to some of the myths about

508
00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:06,100
homeschooling.
The first myth, is that parents

509
00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:08,900
aren't enough that somehow you
have to have a teaching degree

510
00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:11,200
or that you've got to have some
special training or that you

511
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,000
have know, something or have
gone to enough School yourself.

512
00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:19,900
And that's a complete falsehood.
Every single parent if they just

513
00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:23,000
taught their children, what?
They know, that's it even though

514
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,900
matter what level School, the
you just taught their children,

515
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,400
what they know.
That's a pretty significant

516
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,100
educational loan and then the
child can go on after that.

517
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,900
So parents know their get.
It's a god-given, right?

518
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,500
And we don't live in a world
that's illiterate.

519
00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:44,000
Maybe there are some people but
not much anymore.

520
00:31:44,300 --> 00:31:48,900
So just teaching what you know
is enough to be a homeschool

521
00:31:48,900 --> 00:31:50,800
parent.
Now, don't worry, you don't have

522
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,000
to teach him calculus.
You don't have to teach them all

523
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,100
those kind of things because
that's not part of what your

524
00:31:55,100 --> 00:32:00,700
curriculum will be for the Most
part with your young kids, you

525
00:32:00,700 --> 00:32:05,800
just need to teach them how to
fill out right out of check, how

526
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,800
to measure stuff to put in the
laundry and how to, you know,

527
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,500
pay attention to taking care of
an animal or something.

528
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:18,000
All you have to do is have them
write down the steps that

529
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,100
they're doing, maybe make a
budget.

530
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,500
So, there's just an enormous
amount of things that you're

531
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:25,200
doing, kind of naturally that
you just break it down and let

532
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,700
the kids do.
And that's enough Enough.

533
00:32:27,700 --> 00:32:30,300
That's a myth that you don't
have enough training to be.

534
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,400
Homeschool parent.
Yeah, I think that that's one

535
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,100
that has been extremely
effective.

536
00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:44,800
I won't name where I was working
at the time or anything like

537
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:49,200
that, but it was right.
When we took our kids out of

538
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,500
school, and I remember this lady
said what what makes you think

539
00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:56,400
that you or your wife or
qualified to do that.

540
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,800
And I was actually really glad
she asked the question because

541
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,300
it made me really Because I'll
be honest.

542
00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:08,100
When we jerked our kids out of
school.

543
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,900
I was more pissed off than
anything else, right?

544
00:33:11,900 --> 00:33:15,800
I was like, we're done.
I'm not going to do this and it

545
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,200
was one of those things where I
hadn't thought it out real well.

546
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,500
Russ right.
Me and my wife were both pretty

547
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:24,800
hot at that time.
And so we were like, yeah, we're

548
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,000
you know, when this is over,
we're done.

549
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:30,800
But I'm glad that lady asked me
that question, you know what,

550
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,800
what makes you think that you're
qualified?

551
00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:35,600
And I stood on that for a couple
of days.

552
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:40,100
Right?
And I remember and I think I

553
00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:43,700
said this in the lab on the last
episode that you and I talked

554
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,700
The conclusion I got is I
settled down and I prayed about

555
00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:54,500
it was we're uniquely qualified
because those kids are are

556
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:58,800
calling.
And if that's the case and we

557
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:05,200
know God, Fills in the gaps and
gives inspiration on top of us

558
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,300
doing the best we can.
We are the most qualified to

559
00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:11,199
teach our children because we
know them the most and there are

560
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:15,800
responsibilities, there are calm
and, and that's what I ended up

561
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,900
telling this lady and it didn't
make a Mark.

562
00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:21,800
I mean, she was like, okay,
Fundy and then just kind of

563
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,000
moved on.
But but that was that was that

564
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,300
was the thing I got and the more
I thought about it, I was like

565
00:34:28,300 --> 00:34:30,900
what an Insidious way of getting
people.

566
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,100
We'll look at it, right?
What makes you qualified to

567
00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:40,400
teach your kids and and, and
it's so it's so Insidious.

568
00:34:41,699 --> 00:34:45,100
Well that the next part myth
kind of ties a little bit to

569
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:48,100
that and that's the myth that
your kids aren't going to have

570
00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:52,100
any social interaction and that
somehow they need their peers so

571
00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:56,699
that they can learn.
But the fact is is the worst

572
00:34:56,699 --> 00:34:58,300
place.
Our children should learn

573
00:34:58,300 --> 00:35:00,800
anything as from their peers
because their peers are mess.

574
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,600
It up there trying to figure out
life to now.

575
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,200
Why would you go take advice
from somebody more messed up

576
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,500
than you?
And so the idea that peers need

577
00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:16,000
to be the teachers is a complete
falsehood, the the children, our

578
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,400
children should be looking to
their parents, as their mentors

579
00:35:20,700 --> 00:35:24,200
and they should be looking at
Family leaders, whether it's a

580
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,400
brother or an uncle, or a father
grandfather, or somebody that's

581
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,500
in a much better place.
That should be their Mentor, not

582
00:35:32,100 --> 00:35:35,100
not the bully or the buddy.
That's the jock or somebody else

583
00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:40,000
because That kids over there
going through the same stuff and

584
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,000
he's not going to be a source of
good and true information.

585
00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:47,000
He's going to be messed up and
then get messed up together.

586
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:52,300
So it's a myth that you think
you have to have peers to be

587
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,900
successful.
Now I'm not suggesting that they

588
00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:58,200
don't have friends.
I'm what I'm suggesting is this

589
00:35:58,500 --> 00:36:03,300
idea that you have to have peers
in order to succeed in school,

590
00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:07,600
that's just not true.
So shall I be there?

591
00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:10,900
You don't have to I mean we
might have a little bit of a

592
00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:15,700
unique situation with our
homeschool but our kids have an

593
00:36:15,700 --> 00:36:20,400
unbelievably wide variety of
interactions with other kids

594
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,200
because we provide that
opportunity we don't go anywhere

595
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,600
that we don't have a purpose to
reach out.

596
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,800
Right.
That was the other thing I

597
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:40,100
thought.
I fought more stigmas and just

598
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,800
Wrongheaded thinking when I took
my kids out of school than any

599
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:49,100
other time and I remember when
we withdrew our kids, that was

600
00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:52,100
one of the things they talked
about, was that your kids going

601
00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:54,700
to be awkward?
He won't be able to socialize.

602
00:36:54,700 --> 00:36:59,500
Well, they'll be behind when it
comes to picking up social cues

603
00:37:00,100 --> 00:37:02,000
and they won't fit in with
society.

604
00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:04,000
That was the one.
I remember, she said they won't

605
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,100
fit in with society.
And I said, well, judging by

606
00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:11,500
where Society is right now, your
terms are acceptable I'll make

607
00:37:11,500 --> 00:37:14,500
sure that they don't, they don't
quite fit in, but here's what I

608
00:37:14,508 --> 00:37:17,900
found for us, and this is just
my own experience.

609
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,900
Once the kids started doing,
they're getting their education

610
00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:27,600
at home.
That freed up some other things

611
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,100
for them like getting jobs,
right?

612
00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:34,500
Which if you're concerned about
your kid, really, you know,

613
00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:39,500
getting, you know, not being
socially awkward a job, is the

614
00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:43,300
perfect place for them to learn
that a lot of times because they

615
00:37:43,300 --> 00:37:45,700
have to deal with the public
most of the time, right?

616
00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:49,200
And kid jobs, you gotta learn
how to deal with the public.

617
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,500
You got to learn how to do, you
know, take instructions from a

618
00:37:53,500 --> 00:37:58,000
manager, those sorts of Things
that has been a way more worth

619
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,300
to my kids in the long run than
the extra four hours.

620
00:38:01,300 --> 00:38:06,300
If they were sitting in school,
Well, that's a that's a good

621
00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:07,600
point.
We're going to talk a little bit

622
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,600
about that in just a minute but
I want to identify the third

623
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,700
method or the first two is one,
is that the idea you don't have

624
00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:15,000
enough that you're not
qualified.

625
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,800
Number two, is it?
They're not going to have social

626
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,500
interaction or they'll be
somehow because unable to

627
00:38:20,500 --> 00:38:23,800
function in the world without
their peers and the third myth

628
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,500
is that you have to teach all
the subjects that you have to

629
00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:30,600
have math and history and
science and you might as well

630
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,600
have a couple of instruments in
their two, other practicing and

631
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,100
do.
All the stuff that is another

632
00:38:36,100 --> 00:38:40,800
complete falsehood, you don't
have to have all those subjects.

633
00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:45,600
The most for the most part, when
you go through school and you'll

634
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,800
probably remember this, you go
through the subjects over and

635
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,600
over and over again.
So you do it because you don't

636
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,100
remember, you have a great
forgetter installed in your head

637
00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:59,200
and you don't remember and so
even if you did, take the

638
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,800
subject, you're not going to
remember it in two years anyway.

639
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,700
The concept that we should be
focusing on with our kids is the

640
00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:12,400
process of learning and the
experience of learning not the

641
00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:16,200
memorization of wrote facts, not
a test to prove that they

642
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,200
actually memorize something
because that's not learning.

643
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,600
That's just memorizing facts.
And that's what the school does

644
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,000
is try to get you to just
memorize to get a test pass to

645
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,700
get a good score so that you can
get a degree so that you get a

646
00:39:31,707 --> 00:39:34,700
better job.
And so this is just kind of a

647
00:39:34,700 --> 00:39:38,800
cycle that starts out when
you're young, and in reality,

648
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,700
it's the learning process itself
that's important.

649
00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:45,400
It's the accumulation of
knowledge, not facts but the

650
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,100
accumulation of knowledge and
how it applies in life.

651
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,600
So those are the three myths
that we have identified.

652
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,700
The three biggest, there's lots
of other little things.

653
00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:57,600
If we get all three of those out
of the way, then we can start

654
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,900
kind of building our own
platform.

655
00:39:59,900 --> 00:40:04,200
Our own base of how we should do
a Cool, I'm not here to tell

656
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:05,500
you.
You got to follow this

657
00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:09,600
curriculum or you got to do that
thing because like you said, you

658
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,700
are the one that is uniquely
qualified.

659
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,100
What you have to do is number
one have confidence that you

660
00:40:15,100 --> 00:40:18,600
have that qualification.
And number two, you don't have

661
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:23,700
to do it the same way as your
neighbor or as some other Guru

662
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:26,900
that's out there telling you the
stuff or even the same child,

663
00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:29,000
you can have one kid that is
going to have a completely

664
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:34,300
different way of learning than
another So that's that's the big

665
00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:36,000
deal.
Get let's get a platform that we

666
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,200
can build on.
Let's identify the common things

667
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,500
that need the I think all home
schools ought to have those

668
00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:47,900
those Baseline items that says
okay if I do these things I'm

669
00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:51,600
going to have a long-term
successful home school.

670
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,700
Before we move on from the myths
and maybe you're going to cover

671
00:40:55,700 --> 00:41:01,400
this later if so, that's great.
But how should we're parents

672
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,400
respond to that, right?
Because it's more than just the

673
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,200
the the teacher in the or the
principal of the school that

674
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,900
they have to answer these
questions.

675
00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:16,200
To write these questions, you're
going to come up at the

676
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,400
Thanksgiving dinner table and if
you're different from your

677
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,000
family on that you're going to
you're going to get those same

678
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,600
questions, right?
Those same three myths or maybe

679
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,900
even at church Ouch, right?
I mean, yeah.

680
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,000
Whatever the case is, is that
something that you're going to

681
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,600
cover later?
Or do we have time to explore

682
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,000
that a little bit?
We can talk about that a little

683
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,500
bit.
So, number one, the first thing

684
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:41,300
we talked about is your not
enough.

685
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,600
If you have a scriptural
background at all, all you need

686
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,800
to do is just go back into the
scripture, starting in Genesis,

687
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,400
particularly the Joseph Smith
translation.

688
00:41:50,900 --> 00:41:54,400
That's the one where Joseph
received this Revelation in 1830

689
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,500
and he translates the Bible two
months after he finishes The

690
00:41:57,500 --> 00:42:00,000
Book of Mormon.
He's back to work on the Bible

691
00:42:00,500 --> 00:42:02,700
so you can read part of that in
the book of Moses.

692
00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:07,300
So that's in the standard works.
The church does not disqualify

693
00:42:07,300 --> 00:42:09,500
The Inspired version of the
Bible.

694
00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:11,700
They have a statement on there.
So it's not like you're going to

695
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:13,500
read something.
That's fundamentalist your

696
00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:17,400
Joseph Smith inspired version is
a usable version.

697
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,400
You can take it to church just
like anything else.

698
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,700
It's, it's the Bible.
And so the King James version

699
00:42:22,900 --> 00:42:28,600
with Joseph's commentary and and
the revelations on how It should

700
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,800
have been the things that were
taken out to why?

701
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,200
That's important is in the first
part of Genesis.

702
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,200
When it talks about Adam and Eve
and how they taught their

703
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,800
children, they were told it,
said that they were given a

704
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,900
language that was pure and
undefiled and that men were

705
00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:46,300
inspired to write and to use
what they wrote to teach their

706
00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:49,000
children.
So they actually were, that's

707
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,300
the instruction right there.
He's parents.

708
00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:54,200
Particularly fathers, write a
journal.

709
00:42:55,300 --> 00:42:58,300
Teach your children from your
Journal, how to read and to

710
00:42:58,300 --> 00:43:03,100
write and basically that's it's
a teach by inspiration.

711
00:43:03,300 --> 00:43:05,600
Write down the things that
you're inspired, that's the

712
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,900
qualification.
For the first home, school is

713
00:43:07,900 --> 00:43:10,800
good enough for Adam, it ought
to be good enough for us.

714
00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:15,400
Right, that's the first step,
that's not the only thing that's

715
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,000
the first step.
Now, it's important also, to

716
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,100
recognize if you pick up
Doctrine and Covenants section

717
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:25,100
68, I think it is.
If you read in there, it says

718
00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:29,100
that whenever in this is talking
about men, getting, you know,

719
00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:31,800
receiving this inspiration.
When a man is moved upon by the

720
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,800
Holy Ghost whatsoever, he
receives or writes down his from

721
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,400
God.
If the mind of God, the will of

722
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:42,100
God, the word of God, okay?
In other words, you have the

723
00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:42,600
right.
Right?

724
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,500
To receive your own scripture
and that's what you write.

725
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:49,500
That's the inspiration that you
write down and that you teach

726
00:43:49,500 --> 00:43:53,500
from.
So get the confidence to go to

727
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:55,400
the Lord, and receive that
inspiration.

728
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,800
And even if that inspiration is
something super simple, write it

729
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,400
down and teach from that thing
and just follow that, that's

730
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,500
important that we get to that
point.

731
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,400
So that's number one, the
authority.

732
00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:12,000
Number two, you already hit the
point about the myth on peers

733
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,500
because like you said, if you
want to see what the world is

734
00:44:14,500 --> 00:44:16,400
doing, you don't want your kids
to be that way.

735
00:44:16,900 --> 00:44:19,300
Well that's that's pretty
straightforward.

736
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,000
I don't want Little Johnny to
act like the hoodlum down the

737
00:44:23,008 --> 00:44:27,100
street, right?
And number three is thinking

738
00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:28,700
you've got to teach all the
subjects.

739
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:32,500
So what you do is you teach
something the kid likes and he

740
00:44:32,500 --> 00:44:35,100
gets really good at it and then,
when he goes over to Grandma's

741
00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:39,100
house or Aunt, Susie's house And
he knows these things about the

742
00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:41,500
thing that he's so good at that,
he overwhelms them with

743
00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:45,300
information and data, you know
whether that's dinosaurs or

744
00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:48,600
whether that's a pufferfish and
he knows everything about puffer

745
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,900
fish, it doesn't matter.
He's going to have this much

746
00:44:51,900 --> 00:44:55,800
knowledge.
And I even had a son one of my

747
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,300
older Sons, who thought my our
younger?

748
00:44:58,300 --> 00:45:00,700
Kids were sentenced, not going
to get enough.

749
00:45:00,700 --> 00:45:03,000
They were going to be so dumb
and they didn't have math.

750
00:45:03,700 --> 00:45:07,100
Well, it turns out they're more
advanced than most of the kids.

751
00:45:07,100 --> 00:45:11,100
Every single time our kids were
home schooled when they were

752
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:15,800
sent back to high school every
single time in every single

753
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,700
class they were put in advanced
classes and they didn't have to

754
00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:23,000
take that class.
In other words they didn't get

755
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,600
put in Advanced history because
we taught him history.

756
00:45:26,300 --> 00:45:32,000
We just taught him how to think
and how to the process of how to

757
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,700
think and break things down.
And so, every single one of our

758
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:39,800
kids that we pulled out and put
back in high school went in

759
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,900
advanced classes.
Got an advanced classes.

760
00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:47,500
So the proof is just simply in
the process of what they're

761
00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:52,100
doing.
No, I think that's great.

762
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,400
I remember you talking about
teaching all the subjects.

763
00:45:58,100 --> 00:46:02,000
I remember as a surveyor, I had
to take some hellacious math

764
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,000
classes and people always make
the Assumption.

765
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,200
Oh you're a surveyor.
You must really love math.

766
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,700
I'm like I did test math, you
know, but I'm blessed to live in

767
00:46:11,700 --> 00:46:16,600
a day now where that's a really
small part of what I do, and it

768
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:21,400
gets really handled by By the
tech right now I have books that

769
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:28,100
have the theorems in them that I
can go back and use but yeah, I

770
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,500
so I would submit to you and you
explain the quadratic equation

771
00:46:32,500 --> 00:46:35,700
to me right now.
He don't know.

772
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:39,700
So but I bet you did it when
you're in in your claim your

773
00:46:39,700 --> 00:46:44,300
classes, right?
Absolutely, I remember, I

774
00:46:44,300 --> 00:46:46,400
remember my brain being turned
to cap.

775
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,500
Eoka sometimes.
Certain math equations

776
00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:54,700
especially statistics that that
really you know that one was

777
00:46:54,700 --> 00:46:57,700
really tough.
No I can't really happened

778
00:46:57,700 --> 00:47:01,100
though.
Is that you learn how and your

779
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,600
you picked it up it didn't
matter how old it didn't matter.

780
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,500
If you would have learned that
in seventh grade or right, don't

781
00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:10,400
even 10th grade, you learned in
the moment that you needed it.

782
00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:12,500
Yep.
And you got through the class

783
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,100
and you don't remember it
anymore.

784
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,300
Nope, we haven't used it since.
So, what benefit then is it to

785
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,600
Make sure to, for some
seventh-grader to learn that

786
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,800
quadratic equation, there is
none.

787
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,800
And that's and that's been and
see when.

788
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,900
And that's part of the thing.
When you say that, You all of a

789
00:47:31,900 --> 00:47:35,100
sudden get labeled a heretic so
to speak.

790
00:47:35,100 --> 00:47:37,700
Right, right.
Because the reality is, the

791
00:47:37,700 --> 00:47:40,600
reality is is that that happens
with everything.

792
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,100
And so what you do is you teach
a child how to respond to his

793
00:47:45,100 --> 00:47:49,400
environment, how to think, and
then how to go figure out what

794
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,100
you need to do.
Right?

795
00:47:51,700 --> 00:47:54,700
Yeah.
Absolutely, absolutely.

796
00:47:55,100 --> 00:47:58,000
So, those are the three myths
and I'm glad you kind of gave

797
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,700
gay folks out there.
Some a she older a little bit of

798
00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:06,800
ammo to fire back because
sometimes I think that

799
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:13,900
homeschooling has such a bad rap
to it that it's often the

800
00:48:13,900 --> 00:48:17,600
parents of who I think bear the
brunt of it, the most right when

801
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,100
they decide they're going to
homeschool their kids because

802
00:48:21,500 --> 00:48:24,400
And maybe this was just me.
But I felt like I constantly had

803
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:30,300
to to justify what I was doing.
Well, I think even more than

804
00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:33,800
justifying it to the outside
world, I think you have to

805
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,300
justify it to the man in the
mirror and that's the part

806
00:48:37,300 --> 00:48:40,400
that's even harder.
Especially after you've done it

807
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,500
for a few days and you just spin
your worn out your frazzled

808
00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:46,500
kids, don't do things and
there's some things that you

809
00:48:46,500 --> 00:48:48,600
should just get to know.
We'll talk about that in a

810
00:48:48,607 --> 00:48:51,600
minute.
But the most important, Person

811
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:56,100
to get on board is the person
beside you, your spouse, and the

812
00:48:56,107 --> 00:48:59,500
person in the mirror, and
they're both equally important.

813
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,000
Yeah, I'm glad you hit on that
because I'll be honest, the

814
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,800
first three months.
We did it.

815
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,400
Russ, I was like, oh, I'm
screwed.

816
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,400
I screwed this up, right.
I screwed this up so bad.

817
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,400
I should have kept my tongue.
I should I should have bit my

818
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:16,900
tongue.
I should have, you know,

819
00:49:16,900 --> 00:49:18,800
weaseled my way around some
things.

820
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,800
Yeah.
I felt like a huge failure.

821
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,700
I'm not gonna lie and then all
of a sudden one day my son.

822
00:49:27,300 --> 00:49:30,600
Like brings me into his
essentially, his grades to look

823
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:35,500
at and I'm like, oh oh, okay,
well good on you right.

824
00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:41,400
Yeah, I think you're right.
I think the guy in the mirror is

825
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:46,800
is pretty critical to sometimes
and I have a I have a clue for

826
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,300
the guy in the mirror to how to
help him.

827
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:50,800
I'll share that with you in just
a minute.

828
00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:53,800
Alright?
Alright.

829
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,800
So those are the three myths.
Those are the Three myths.

830
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:02,200
So in our experience and our
experience is probably different

831
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,000
and I understand that there are
families of all different types

832
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,500
and makeups today.
And so this isn't a way of

833
00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:10,900
categorizing anybody.
It's a way of what we did and

834
00:50:10,900 --> 00:50:14,500
how we can best share, and then
adapt it to your particular

835
00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:17,700
needs.
And so because we've had these

836
00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:21,200
special needs kids.
Hearing impaired, autistic we've

837
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,900
had ADHD have 11 of our kids
have dyspraxia.

838
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:28,500
That means that she Add a little
bit of a stroke when because

839
00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:31,600
they doctors didn't want her to
get born and that meant that she

840
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,200
was delayed in Her speech.
She's totally fine now.

841
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,500
But all of these things
contributed to our understanding

842
00:50:38,500 --> 00:50:41,300
because we were in the college
system, the special school,

843
00:50:41,300 --> 00:50:46,200
special, ed been directly
involved in curriculum

844
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,000
development and teaching
teachers.

845
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,900
And then finally Even in our
home school, and then, because I

846
00:50:53,900 --> 00:50:56,500
was working on the universal
model for all those years, Ears.

847
00:50:56,500 --> 00:51:00,200
When we started when we were
homeschooling, Heidi would take

848
00:51:00,500 --> 00:51:04,100
the stuff that I was working on
and she would adapted into these

849
00:51:04,100 --> 00:51:05,900
worksheets and then go teach the
kids.

850
00:51:06,300 --> 00:51:10,600
So she was teaching them out of
the universal model mostly

851
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,700
because I would have to have her
come and read it out loud to me

852
00:51:13,700 --> 00:51:16,400
to make sure that it was going
to make sense to someone else.

853
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,800
And as she would read it out
loud she would get the content

854
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,100
and think.
Oh, that's so cool.

855
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:24,700
I'm going to go teach that to
the kids and that's kind of how

856
00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:28,500
our work pages got.
Together to create the first

857
00:51:28,500 --> 00:51:31,300
workbook on the universal model
on the volume 1.

858
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,600
That's not how the happen,
that's cool.

859
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,800
But as we began to kind of
develop that we started thinking

860
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,600
about, we need to have a little
bit clearer statement of what

861
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,500
we've experienced.
What were the most important

862
00:51:45,500 --> 00:51:47,200
things?
This kind of fundamental thing

863
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:53,500
that we were to say, what's the
ABCs of of our family and Define

864
00:51:53,500 --> 00:51:56,100
that as what truth Seekers
Academy.

865
00:51:56,300 --> 00:52:00,100
He is what we're about and it's
kind of interesting that the

866
00:52:00,100 --> 00:52:05,000
number one that we list.
The number one thing is dad's

867
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,100
got to be involved patriarchal
integration.

868
00:52:08,700 --> 00:52:10,900
Okay.
Now that's kind of a scary

869
00:52:10,900 --> 00:52:12,800
thing.
Specially dads out there.

870
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,500
Busting hump trying to make
money.

871
00:52:14,500 --> 00:52:19,400
Try to take care of the family.
How does he get involved in

872
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:24,200
school and teaching his kids.
So the first thing that other

873
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,300
people will say and it's partly
true is Share your priorities,

874
00:52:27,300 --> 00:52:28,500
right?
Because if you're going to work

875
00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:32,800
two jobs so you can pay for your
glamping trailer and your to

876
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,900
side-by-sides and your jet skis
and your boat, maybe you should

877
00:52:36,900 --> 00:52:40,600
think about realigning that, but
aside from that, you do that on

878
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:45,400
your own minimum, dad needs to
be involved in both the

879
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,000
curriculum choice and he has to
do something where it's legally

880
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,400
involved.
Now how that started for me

881
00:52:50,900 --> 00:52:53,200
because I was just like
everybody else out there just

882
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,900
trying to make a buck and I
thought my most important Focus

883
00:52:55,900 --> 00:53:00,900
was on On the money, but my wise
wife always was looking for ways

884
00:53:00,900 --> 00:53:03,100
to make sure that I was engaged
with the kids.

885
00:53:03,100 --> 00:53:09,100
And so I would give the kids a
report and a subject that they

886
00:53:09,100 --> 00:53:12,200
would have to give me a report
on that they would turn into me

887
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,500
on Thursday, I give it to him
Monday.

888
00:53:14,500 --> 00:53:16,400
They would give me the rough
draft Thursday and then they

889
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,100
agree, right after I corrected
it on Friday.

890
00:53:20,300 --> 00:53:23,600
And so, what happened is that
mom spent the time, teaching

891
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:28,500
them all week long dad gets One
report that gets all the glory

892
00:53:28,500 --> 00:53:31,300
in the week because they want to
mostly know what he thought

893
00:53:31,300 --> 00:53:34,700
about what they wrote and he
gets the credit for doing all

894
00:53:34,700 --> 00:53:37,300
the work.
So that just kind of is a nice

895
00:53:37,300 --> 00:53:39,600
byproduct in case you wanted to
know.

896
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:50,000
Yeah, I could see that.
I think so often we have this

897
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,200
idea that we're going to live
some sort of balanced life,

898
00:53:53,300 --> 00:53:56,500
right?
That our work life is going to

899
00:53:56,508 --> 00:54:00,800
balance with our personal life,
and if you throw a homeschooling

900
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,300
in that mix, then it's, I could
only imagine it.

901
00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:07,400
It's not, I don't have to
imagine, it seems overwhelming.

902
00:54:08,100 --> 00:54:12,800
One of the things I did with
with my boys, especially just

903
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,200
because my daughter's didn't
want to go out and stand out in

904
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,100
the elements.
But I took my boys to work with

905
00:54:18,100 --> 00:54:21,100
me quite a bit.
Yeah, that's a great idea.

906
00:54:21,500 --> 00:54:25,400
And I just remember there, I
just remember thinking as I was

907
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,900
teaching them how to setup a
total station or the GPS.

908
00:54:29,900 --> 00:54:36,800
I was like this feels natural,
this feels natural, this feels

909
00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:39,600
real.
Right.

910
00:54:39,900 --> 00:54:42,400
But I think it's important that
you take even though your

911
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,700
daughter might not want to do
the elements, they need to be

912
00:54:44,700 --> 00:54:48,700
with Dad too and they were we
found we found other ways to

913
00:54:48,700 --> 00:54:51,400
make that work, right?
When I would do the cad work or

914
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:58,100
something like that, but but the
thing I was going to say is that

915
00:54:58,500 --> 00:55:02,700
I don't think there's any such
thing as a balanced life or us.

916
00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:05,000
I've never seen it where
everything just balances

917
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,800
perfectly, I've given up that
idea and went to More of an

918
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,600
integrated life.
Right through in that

919
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:16,000
integration.
I think I you can strike the

920
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,300
balance so to speak.
Well, I actually love that

921
00:55:19,300 --> 00:55:21,400
integration because that's
really what it's about is

922
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,900
integrating.
The principles that are most

923
00:55:23,900 --> 00:55:26,600
dear to us into our lives and
letting it shape that.

924
00:55:27,300 --> 00:55:31,000
And so having data involved
should be an important thing and

925
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,300
if you know Dad's not around or
there's some other alternative

926
00:55:35,300 --> 00:55:39,200
that needs to happen, Children
need a father figure, so it

927
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,300
could be a grandfather, could be
an uncle could be somebody, but

928
00:55:42,300 --> 00:55:46,400
they need a father figure to
represent that part that part of

929
00:55:46,408 --> 00:55:50,700
the equation, but to the least,
anyway, get Dad's involved.

930
00:55:50,700 --> 00:55:53,400
Dad's pick up your, you know,
your book can just come up with

931
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,600
something creative.
I would randomly say something

932
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,600
about, write me a report on an
so give me a report on lightning

933
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,300
or something and it was just,
they would dive into it and I

934
00:56:03,300 --> 00:56:06,600
would make the length of the
report different based on the

935
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,400
age.
The ability of the, of the

936
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,500
child.
So the, you know, six-year-old,

937
00:56:10,900 --> 00:56:13,600
he didn't have to ride along a
report as a 16 year old.

938
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,400
That's how I got involved.
And then, later on, I actually

939
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,100
do some of the teaching.
Now, I teach my kids a couple

940
00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:24,300
things.
I one day a week, I say that two

941
00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:28,500
hours and I teach them and so
that just I enjoy that I found,

942
00:56:28,500 --> 00:56:33,900
it's not been easy.
But I've learned I've enjoyed my

943
00:56:33,900 --> 00:56:38,500
own learning process so the
number two thing is integrating

944
00:56:38,500 --> 00:56:40,700
family.
So not just Dad but family,

945
00:56:40,700 --> 00:56:42,900
bring the family together, teach
them together.

946
00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:46,200
It's the idea that we have to
teach Little Johnny and Big

947
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:51,700
Johnny and even bigger Susie as
completely different that need

948
00:56:51,700 --> 00:56:55,000
to bring them together.
And here's an interesting fact.

949
00:56:55,300 --> 00:57:00,200
If you've ever taught in your
church Sunday school or in, Mary

950
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:05,800
something, you'll notice that No
matter what you teach you

951
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,900
learned more than the people
you're teaching.

952
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:15,400
And so if Little Johnny has an
opportunity to teach, then he

953
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,900
will actually learn more in the
act of teaching than he would

954
00:57:18,900 --> 00:57:22,500
have if he had just been taught
by his bowl over brother sister.

955
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,800
So it's important to have this
integration where

956
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:30,400
responsibilities and roles of
teaching get shifted around.

957
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,700
And we actually have found that
in our case, sometimes the

958
00:57:33,700 --> 00:57:36,600
younger kids are smarter than
the older ones on some things

959
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,400
that they just get quicksand.
They know when they're, they're

960
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,800
pretty our youngest boy.
For example, when we did our

961
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,000
first um workbook we got to the
end.

962
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,400
We're almost for the printer and
we haven't done anything on

963
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,100
weather and he said, how God we
forgot whether.

964
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,300
So he went and laid out his own
pages on clouds and wrote it up,

965
00:57:55,300 --> 00:57:58,500
all the questions that should
ask about cumulonimbus and and

966
00:57:58,500 --> 00:58:01,600
cumulus and serious clouds.
And he was eight.

967
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,500
Wow.
So you know that that was just

968
00:58:05,500 --> 00:58:08,500
our experience but everything,
The Young Ones actually are

969
00:58:08,508 --> 00:58:12,100
going to have as much
opportunity to teach as the

970
00:58:12,100 --> 00:58:14,700
older ones and it will bind the
family.

971
00:58:16,300 --> 00:58:18,300
So, that's why that's, that's a
number two.

972
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:26,200
Number two, Baseline that we
did. so if I can ask just a

973
00:58:26,207 --> 00:58:32,400
question here, I think because
of the way that public education

974
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:37,700
has been rigged, you use the
test as an idea.

975
00:58:37,700 --> 00:58:41,900
If they've learned the material,
right, learn is a loose word

976
00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:45,600
because it implies that it's
there forever.

977
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:50,300
When in reality they're just
measuring the retention in that

978
00:58:50,300 --> 00:58:55,500
one semester.
However, I would think at some

979
00:58:55,500 --> 00:58:58,200
point you'd want some sort of
measuring stick to see how

980
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:03,300
they're coming along, right?
well I guess it depends because

981
00:59:03,300 --> 00:59:08,300
in some cases I think that's
just a false idea of modern the

982
00:59:08,300 --> 00:59:11,100
modern education systems
thinking that you've got to

983
00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:17,300
actually teach to a test Because
in reality, what's a, better way

984
00:59:17,300 --> 00:59:22,100
to measure your child?
Is it because he knows facts or

985
00:59:22,100 --> 00:59:25,900
because he knows how to think.
Can he work through a problem?

986
00:59:25,900 --> 00:59:31,100
Can he can, he deal with
situational problems between

987
00:59:31,100 --> 00:59:35,400
older and younger siblings, you
know, how is he able to respond?

988
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,400
To me?
That's a much better way of

989
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:45,400
measuring ability or success.
Right, I thought today's day and

990
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:50,300
age rather than the tests show
me how to find the answer.

991
00:59:50,500 --> 00:59:54,600
Where do I go to find it right?
We should we should do that for

992
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,800
sure.
That brings up the third

993
00:59:58,900 --> 01:00:02,400
foundational pillar for us is
subjects are integrated.

994
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,900
So in other words rather than
teaching history disconnected

995
01:00:05,900 --> 01:00:10,500
from English and maths and all
these other things try to bring

996
01:00:10,500 --> 01:00:15,200
things together, use subjects.
So that if you're teaching a

997
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:19,000
subject in the case, we'll talk
about our human body book in a

998
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,800
moment.
Use the human body as the

999
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,400
spelling, the English and
writing.

1000
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:29,800
Find ways to connect history.
So it's, it's a supplementary.

1001
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,900
It's a subject that you go and
Branch out all the things, but

1002
01:00:32,900 --> 01:00:36,100
you connect them.
And as you connect them, you

1003
01:00:36,100 --> 01:00:40,200
treat the whole subject, which
is kind of, like, eating Whole

1004
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:44,200
Food, rather than, like, pulling
out some piece of it, and just

1005
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:48,000
learning about this line, think
of the thing as a whole.

1006
01:00:48,008 --> 01:00:51,700
So integrate your subjects
together, so that you're

1007
01:00:51,700 --> 01:00:53,700
teaching together, rather than
having.

1008
01:00:53,700 --> 01:00:55,800
Okay, now we're doing Singing.
Okay.

1009
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:57,800
Now we're doing history.
And okay.

1010
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:02,500
Now we're doing math.
Bring them together as much as

1011
01:01:02,500 --> 01:01:05,500
possible.
I mean, math is sometimes just

1012
01:01:05,500 --> 01:01:07,200
math.
That's what it is but there are

1013
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,200
ways you can bring math into
other subjects.

1014
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,600
No, I think that makes perfect
sense.

1015
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:19,900
I and and realistically, if if
you've ever read a really good

1016
01:01:19,900 --> 01:01:25,200
history book or watch your
really good documentary, that's

1017
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,100
how they present it.
Right?

1018
01:01:27,100 --> 01:01:32,000
I mean look we one of my
favorite subjects WWII, right.

1019
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:38,400
When when Germany goes into
invade Russia it's just not the

1020
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,200
Russian troops.
It's the weather that causes

1021
01:01:41,300 --> 01:01:46,000
Germany, so many issues, right?
And I guess if you were teaching

1022
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,400
World War Two history, it's one
way.

1023
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,100
You could tie in the physical
sciences with it.

1024
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,800
Well not only can you tie the
physical sciences and but why

1025
01:01:55,800 --> 01:02:01,400
not tie that into where Napoleon
lost the battle as he invaded

1026
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,300
Russia.
Also some other words, bring

1027
01:02:03,300 --> 01:02:07,900
back another piece of History
connected to that talk about why

1028
01:02:07,900 --> 01:02:12,000
the French Revolution failed in
the right after the American

1029
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,800
Revolution.
Let those two look side-by-side

1030
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,200
what was different between the
American Revolution and what

1031
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,700
they stood for versus the French
Revolution and what they stood

1032
01:02:20,700 --> 01:02:23,000
for, you know?
Go back.

1033
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:27,900
Instead of just memorizing.
The idea that in 1492 Columbus

1034
01:02:27,900 --> 01:02:30,300
sailed the ocean blue.
That's a great thing in the

1035
01:02:30,300 --> 01:02:33,100
morning.
To remember that one thing, but

1036
01:02:33,100 --> 01:02:38,300
aside from just that what else
was going on in the world, you

1037
01:02:38,300 --> 01:02:44,400
know, for example, Columbus came
here and he had gone to numerous

1038
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,200
different benefactors.
Try to get money in the king and

1039
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:51,800
queen of Spain ended up giving
him the money because the seven

1040
01:02:51,900 --> 01:02:54,000
A hundred year war with the
Moors.

1041
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:58,700
The is the Islamic people was
finally over and they wanted to

1042
01:02:58,700 --> 01:03:03,700
do some great things for to
recognize Christ.

1043
01:03:03,700 --> 01:03:07,700
And so was that just coincidence
that he happened to be there and

1044
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,700
that was the right thing.
Right?

1045
01:03:10,700 --> 01:03:15,200
So connect it to scriptures
connected to history, other

1046
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:18,100
places, so that it's not just
the single thing out there.

1047
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,200
So that would be part of that
scriptural integration as well.

1048
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,500
That's what scripture
integration is find a way that

1049
01:03:26,500 --> 01:03:29,400
everything we do ties into
scripture, somehow not just

1050
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,600
reading scriptures in the
morning, you know?

1051
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,900
But like we talked when he first
started here about how do you

1052
01:03:34,900 --> 01:03:37,500
have confidence as a teacher,
what gives you the right to

1053
01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:41,000
teach?
Well, the scriptures say Adam

1054
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:45,500
taught his children out of the
books that they wrote now you're

1055
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:49,100
integrating scriptures into your
teaching If you want to talk

1056
01:03:49,100 --> 01:03:55,400
about science, the human body.
We can talk about how the

1057
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,600
creation by God of the body and
all the different things that

1058
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,600
come together.
There's some really cool things

1059
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:04,800
that you can talk about that
connect scriptures.

1060
01:04:06,100 --> 01:04:10,700
Could the body other than just
saying God created, you can all,

1061
01:04:10,700 --> 01:04:14,300
you know it because in Moses 663
it says that all things are made

1062
01:04:14,300 --> 01:04:17,500
to testify of him, right?
Okay.

1063
01:04:17,500 --> 01:04:19,700
Let's go find it.
How does it testify?

1064
01:04:19,700 --> 01:04:23,300
How do we look at water and see
how water itself?

1065
01:04:23,300 --> 01:04:25,800
Testifies.
Well, Christ says that whoever

1066
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,300
drinks of the water that I give
him will never thirst.

1067
01:04:28,300 --> 01:04:29,700
Okay?
That's living water.

1068
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:34,800
How does Living Water connect?
You know, and so you're using

1069
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,400
scriptures is kind of a space
and it makes it real all the

1070
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:39,600
sudden instead of the
scriptures.

1071
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,800
Be that thing that I talked
about on Sunday, scriptures

1072
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:47,300
become part of my life.
And immediately when somebody

1073
01:04:47,300 --> 01:04:50,200
says something I want to think
about what a scripture say how

1074
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,400
do I convey, how can I tie that
together?

1075
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:55,000
That's kind of cool to know this
or to know that how does that

1076
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,200
work?
Got, you know, that makes a lot

1077
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,400
of sense and I see your last
Point down, there is

1078
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:06,400
consecration.
Yeah, that's probably that's the

1079
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,900
one thing that when we got done.
Okay.

1080
01:05:08,900 --> 01:05:10,900
So you're learning and you're
doing all this stuff.

1081
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,500
Why?
What's the purpose of learning

1082
01:05:16,700 --> 01:05:20,000
in section 93?
Joseph Smith receives the

1083
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:23,600
Revelation from God and God
specifically says, I have

1084
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:27,000
commanded you to bring up your
children and light and truth and

1085
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,400
you have not brought your
children up and live in truth

1086
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,900
and for this reason, the enemy
has power as yet over you.

1087
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,500
Okay, so, and that Revelation
was given, not just to Joseph

1088
01:05:38,500 --> 01:05:40,900
Smith, it was given to Joseph
Smith, Oliver cowdery, and

1089
01:05:40,900 --> 01:05:43,100
Sidney Rigdon.
This is the first presidency of

1090
01:05:43,100 --> 01:05:46,100
view of the church.
So there's no higher authority

1091
01:05:46,100 --> 01:05:50,300
in the church and the Lord is
chasing them saying I command

1092
01:05:50,300 --> 01:05:53,900
you to do this and you haven't.
And this has caused the problems

1093
01:05:53,900 --> 01:05:57,400
in your family.
And he says now, yeah, I give

1094
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:01,300
you a Commandment that you teach
our children light and truth but

1095
01:06:01,300 --> 01:06:04,200
he doesn't just leave it at that
because that's the section where

1096
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,900
he says, and Truth is knowledge
of things as they are.

1097
01:06:06,900 --> 01:06:08,600
And they were as they are to
come.

1098
01:06:09,300 --> 01:06:12,000
So now we have a definition of
what truth is.

1099
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,400
We're commanded to teach them
light and truth, but then later

1100
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:20,100
on it goes on to say that truth
not only is this knowledge of

1101
01:06:20,100 --> 01:06:23,300
things but it's also the spirit
of God even light.

1102
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:29,300
Hmm, so if you if you just study
section, 93 it tells you you're

1103
01:06:29,300 --> 01:06:32,200
commanded to teach your
children, knowledge, that

1104
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:36,200
doesn't change the give them
light and then the scriptures

1105
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,900
also say you should not hide
your light, not put it under a

1106
01:06:39,900 --> 01:06:42,100
bushel but put it up on a hill
work in signs.

1107
01:06:42,100 --> 01:06:44,400
Okay, so what light is he
talking about?

1108
01:06:45,300 --> 01:06:47,200
Knowledge.
He's talking about the knowledge

1109
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:50,600
of the things that you learn,
and that you have to share that.

1110
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:54,500
So, consecration means you're
learning for the purpose of

1111
01:06:54,500 --> 01:06:56,600
sharing and uplifting other
people.

1112
01:06:57,700 --> 01:07:01,000
Go out and teach.
Don't just so this is how we do

1113
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,900
it in our time, our home real
time for the last three years.

1114
01:07:04,900 --> 01:07:08,800
Our homeschool has included a
minimum of two or three other

1115
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:13,100
kids from other families.
We don't charge for it this

1116
01:07:13,100 --> 01:07:15,300
year.
We're teaching one who is

1117
01:07:15,300 --> 01:07:16,700
English.
Second Language.

1118
01:07:17,100 --> 01:07:21,900
She's the sister of one of my
sons wives and she was just

1119
01:07:21,900 --> 01:07:25,400
doing terrible in school and she
would just kind of coasting

1120
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:28,500
along.
He was spectral at home.

1121
01:07:29,100 --> 01:07:30,600
So we took her on as a
homeschool.

1122
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:32,500
She comes over three days a
week, and she's a part of the

1123
01:07:32,508 --> 01:07:37,600
home school and and she has
unbelievably bloomed and change

1124
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:43,300
direction.
And then we have to Samoan kids

1125
01:07:43,300 --> 01:07:48,100
that come over fantastic kids.
And so, guess who teaches those

1126
01:07:48,100 --> 01:07:52,100
kids?
The kids kids get assignments to

1127
01:07:52,100 --> 01:07:54,500
teach them and they teach each
other their friends, the same

1128
01:07:54,500 --> 01:07:58,200
age, but they work together, and
they're doing the, and we're

1129
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,900
actually creating our English
book, right?

1130
01:08:01,900 --> 01:08:04,300
When we're doing not only
English for these kids, but

1131
01:08:04,300 --> 01:08:07,300
English for this person who's a
second language English, right?

1132
01:08:07,300 --> 01:08:11,600
And so, that's helping to
develop the English book that

1133
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,700
will become part of our
curriculum, like giving by

1134
01:08:14,700 --> 01:08:17,700
giving it out, And that's what
we should do.

1135
01:08:17,700 --> 01:08:21,000
Everything we teach in our home
schools, we should be able to

1136
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:25,500
export that so our kids ought to
have opportunities to go teach

1137
01:08:25,500 --> 01:08:28,399
what they learn.
Absolutely and share the

1138
01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:32,700
message, share the gospel.
Not so much to go proselyte but

1139
01:08:32,700 --> 01:08:36,399
share the gospel truths.
They learn with their friends at

1140
01:08:36,399 --> 01:08:41,100
church.
I'm teaching absolutely.

1141
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:45,300
Maybe this question is too soon
and so if we want to shelve

1142
01:08:45,300 --> 01:08:49,800
this, we can.
But as you've made these, these

1143
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:56,399
five pillars kind of the the the
support structure for for your

1144
01:08:56,399 --> 01:08:58,500
home school experience with your
kids.

1145
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:04,100
What has been the outcome would?
Have you seen that is different

1146
01:09:04,100 --> 01:09:06,300
than somebody coming out of
public education?

1147
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:13,000
I'm not sure how to answer that,
because maybe we have an unfair

1148
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:17,899
Advantage because our experience
has been pretty unique and we've

1149
01:09:17,899 --> 01:09:20,200
had these all these different
opportunities to home-school.

1150
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:25,200
Sometimes Junior High sometimes
because their special needs, but

1151
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:30,600
our youngest three especially
have been pretty much directly

1152
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:34,700
involved in the creation of the
curriculum and then going out

1153
01:09:34,700 --> 01:09:38,000
and sharing it.
In fact, our last two Asians we

1154
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:42,500
were in Montana and in Pocatello
here about three weeks ago.

1155
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:47,399
And my two kids had to get up
and actually do a presentation

1156
01:09:47,399 --> 01:09:51,600
themselves had to learn how to
and their presentation was on

1157
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:57,100
how to ask questions.
So, you know, that's what they

1158
01:09:57,100 --> 01:09:58,800
do.
They come to be a part of and

1159
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:03,800
help us out with the books and
at the home, show The Book of

1160
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:05,500
Mormon, exponent other shows we
do.

1161
01:10:06,500 --> 01:10:10,200
They teach, they teach at home
and they pretty much have

1162
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:13,000
friends.
Across the country.

1163
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:17,200
When we've gone everywhere we've
got they end up being involved

1164
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:21,800
in all these kids that are kind
of coming and so they've, it's

1165
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:25,700
been pretty remarkable and
especially it's been remarkable

1166
01:10:25,700 --> 01:10:27,300
because I have a couple of kids
that are older.

1167
01:10:27,300 --> 01:10:31,300
That went one of them went to
BYU and has lost his testimony.

1168
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:37,800
And so he's constantly pounding,
my one young son about Evolution

1169
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:41,100
and he's able to contend with
it.

1170
01:10:41,300 --> 01:10:45,200
Stand his ground and show him
things that he's learned, so

1171
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,800
it's giving them tools and it's
given them the ideas.

1172
01:10:50,300 --> 01:10:55,200
The truth will come when we see
how they do when they become

1173
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:57,600
parents themselves, right?
We don't know yet.

1174
01:10:58,900 --> 01:11:00,800
That's about it.
That's the unknown.

1175
01:11:03,100 --> 01:11:06,300
One of the things.
So when we started

1176
01:11:06,300 --> 01:11:12,400
homeschooling, I asked around
for good examples of

1177
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:16,000
homeschooling, this was during
that three months, I was telling

1178
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,000
you.
I was feeling like I was

1179
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,100
screwing it up, right?
That me and my wife maybe

1180
01:11:21,100 --> 01:11:26,200
weren't qualified to do this.
And so, I went around, I talked

1181
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,900
to a couple of different
homeschoolers and you kind of

1182
01:11:28,907 --> 01:11:35,800
hit on this in an indirect way.
One of the things that I noticed

1183
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:40,300
about all of their kids were, is
that they were so well-rounded,

1184
01:11:40,300 --> 01:11:43,300
and they were so engaged in
whatever it was, they were

1185
01:11:43,300 --> 01:11:45,600
doing.
And so, we would ask these

1186
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:51,100
parents questions.
And I remember this one, one

1187
01:11:51,100 --> 01:11:54,800
gentleman and I'll forever be
thankful for him because he

1188
01:11:54,900 --> 01:11:57,000
reframed the conversation for
me.

1189
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:03,500
He said, stop trying to recreate
public education in your home.

1190
01:12:05,500 --> 01:12:09,100
Just stop because for some
reason that was my default go

1191
01:12:09,100 --> 01:12:11,000
to, right?
It's like, okay, we need a

1192
01:12:11,008 --> 01:12:14,400
certain amount of time for this,
this, and this, what I've

1193
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:18,100
noticed out of my kids and
because they're mine, it's

1194
01:12:18,100 --> 01:12:20,600
absolutely nothing less than
miraculous.

1195
01:12:21,100 --> 01:12:25,100
But as I've watched my kids who
are being homeschooled now

1196
01:12:25,100 --> 01:12:31,700
compared to the ones who were
educated by public education, is

1197
01:12:31,700 --> 01:12:36,900
that my twins are way more.
Well, Grounded, right?

1198
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:44,500
And they engage the world in a
much different way than, then my

1199
01:12:45,100 --> 01:12:48,700
for older ones did.
And it caused me to sit back for

1200
01:12:48,700 --> 01:12:52,400
a minute and say, okay, what
what was different about this

1201
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:57,200
and what I realized is that we
put it back on them a little

1202
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:00,900
bit, right?
We said, okay, here's the things

1203
01:13:00,900 --> 01:13:04,500
we want you guys to learn, you
go look it up and you go learn

1204
01:13:04,500 --> 01:13:06,900
it.
And then come back and let's

1205
01:13:06,900 --> 01:13:09,100
talk about it.
So I make sure that you're

1206
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,700
getting everything you need.
Now, I didn't know about

1207
01:13:11,700 --> 01:13:19,100
Universal model at that time or
anything else, but they engaged

1208
01:13:19,100 --> 01:13:24,800
much more and that was something
that was miraculous.

1209
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:28,100
From my point of view, I'm
really great.

1210
01:13:28,100 --> 01:13:30,800
Glad you brought that up because
we kind of skipped a step that I

1211
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:34,400
wanted to throw in there.
Is once you are in the process

1212
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:38,200
of thinking about Homeschooling
one of the things we Advocate

1213
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:41,300
pretty strongly as soon as you
get your kids out of school, the

1214
01:13:41,300 --> 01:13:44,700
very first thing to do is
nothing, don't get them in

1215
01:13:44,700 --> 01:13:47,700
school.
Now I don't want to use the term

1216
01:13:47,700 --> 01:13:50,600
unschool because the unschool
community is kind of this

1217
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:52,900
laissez-faire.
They never did let the kids just

1218
01:13:52,900 --> 01:13:56,600
kind of do whatever they want
but rather think of D schooling

1219
01:13:57,500 --> 01:14:00,200
like you were said, you're
detoxing while you need to be

1220
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:03,000
school and if that means you go
for an entire year, so what?

1221
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,700
That's okay, they're going.
Just be able to get around you

1222
01:14:06,700 --> 01:14:08,700
and hang around and be part of
the family.

1223
01:14:08,700 --> 01:14:10,800
And that's all right.
It's a it's not going to hurt

1224
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:14,700
anybody in the long run.
If you spend a year doing

1225
01:14:14,700 --> 01:14:18,100
absolutely nothing, it's not
going to make a difference in

1226
01:14:18,100 --> 01:14:21,300
the long run.
And so that's the most important

1227
01:14:21,300 --> 01:14:24,600
thing to remember is that kids
are resilient.

1228
01:14:24,700 --> 01:14:28,000
There's been a lot of times in
the world where things didn't go

1229
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,100
and they have the skip a whole
year and they can catch pick

1230
01:14:31,100 --> 01:14:33,300
back up.
It's not, it's not that hard.

1231
01:14:33,300 --> 01:14:37,500
They'll be back on that.
Well, and, and even this idea of

1232
01:14:37,500 --> 01:14:41,600
ketchup, Russ, I'm not sure that
that's actually even.

1233
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,300
I'm not sure, that's even a
thing, right?

1234
01:14:45,300 --> 01:14:49,300
I mean, yeah, I would agree.
And so, the turn ketchup is

1235
01:14:49,300 --> 01:14:53,500
probably even a Mist use term.
Yeah, I guess.

1236
01:14:53,500 --> 01:14:56,800
All I'm really saying is that
they're not going to fall.

1237
01:14:57,900 --> 01:15:00,800
Back into the where they're
going to be these dumb people.

1238
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,900
These idiots that come out of
the end and do nothing.

1239
01:15:03,900 --> 01:15:06,900
No nothing, no.
They're going to be fine.

1240
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:09,600
No, they're going to be more
successful.

1241
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:13,100
In fact, because they'll finally
have been broken off of that

1242
01:15:13,300 --> 01:15:18,700
that drug that has, I think
modern education is, is a drug

1243
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:23,900
and don't recommit, don't
recreate the modern education in

1244
01:15:23,900 --> 01:15:27,800
your and your home.
In fact, Be careful about

1245
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:30,300
thinking you talk about
classical education.

1246
01:15:30,300 --> 01:15:33,000
Be careful about the books you
bring in, right?

1247
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:36,300
And the concepts.
You need to get that stuff out

1248
01:15:36,300 --> 01:15:39,100
of your house or at least out of
the mainstream.

1249
01:15:39,700 --> 01:15:43,000
Not that I'm saying we have to
ban all the books but let's not

1250
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:48,800
make those Antichrist books.
The focus of or the center of

1251
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,400
our education.
Yeah.

1252
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:55,100
Yeah.
It also the experience I've been

1253
01:15:55,100 --> 01:15:58,300
having with my twins has also
LED Led me to believe that.

1254
01:15:59,100 --> 01:16:00,900
I think we shortchange our
children.

1255
01:16:00,900 --> 01:16:05,100
A lot by thinking.
They're incapable, right?

1256
01:16:05,300 --> 01:16:09,500
I go back, I go back to what I
saw with my twins when I put it

1257
01:16:09,500 --> 01:16:13,800
back on them after because we
shut it down the second time,

1258
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:15,300
right?
I told you, we had that detox

1259
01:16:15,300 --> 01:16:19,300
thing and then we re we tried to
recreate public education in the

1260
01:16:19,308 --> 01:16:23,800
home and that didn't, you know,
it was better but it wasn't

1261
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:27,300
great yet.
When we finally said, okay, what

1262
01:16:27,300 --> 01:16:30,800
do we want to learn about today?
You know, this month, we usually

1263
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,000
go month by month.
Let's pick a subject.

1264
01:16:33,300 --> 01:16:36,600
And like you said, you kind of
incorporate everything into that

1265
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:41,200
one subject, history math,
physical science, the whole ball

1266
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:46,300
of Wax, And we put it kind of
back on them, right?

1267
01:16:46,300 --> 01:16:50,400
Okay, find out what you can
about these five subjects within

1268
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:53,100
this larger.
Usually, it's a historical

1269
01:16:53,100 --> 01:16:56,100
event, bring it back to us.
Let's look at it.

1270
01:16:57,700 --> 01:17:00,300
They were bringing back stuff
that I'll be honest with you,

1271
01:17:00,300 --> 01:17:03,300
Russ, I was writing in college,
right?

1272
01:17:03,300 --> 01:17:07,000
I mean, I'm like, I could have
totally have copied your paper,

1273
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,700
my sophomore year.
I mean, totally we'd have been

1274
01:17:09,700 --> 01:17:13,500
fine, which leads back to me
thinking we've really short

1275
01:17:13,500 --> 01:17:17,100
changed our kids by thinking
that they weren't mature enough

1276
01:17:17,100 --> 01:17:22,700
to do certain things.
And what I figured out and

1277
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:26,700
again, I'm slow, so, it took me
a while to figure this out, your

1278
01:17:26,700 --> 01:17:31,400
kids.
Will almost always achieve.

1279
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:34,600
The goal that you helped them
set.

1280
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:40,500
Always the bar that you expect,
almost always your kids will

1281
01:17:40,500 --> 01:17:44,400
meet and if they don't, that's
probably on me because I didn't

1282
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,800
explain it.
Well, I look back at Washington

1283
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:52,100
whose Fairfax County.
Virginia, surveyor at 16 years

1284
01:17:52,100 --> 01:17:54,900
old, right?
That's not that long ago.

1285
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,700
There's a comedian that says
that's like two people ago or

1286
01:17:57,700 --> 01:18:01,000
three people ago, right?
And when he wasn't, he wasn't

1287
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,000
using a computer and TPS either
wasn't no.

1288
01:18:04,100 --> 01:18:06,900
No.
And so I don't know, maybe I'm

1289
01:18:06,900 --> 01:18:09,400
wrong on this, but sometimes I
feel like we've just short

1290
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:14,300
changed our kids by just
assuming that they can't do hard

1291
01:18:14,300 --> 01:18:15,900
things.
I agree.

1292
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:18,200
They can.
Yeah.

1293
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:21,200
And and I look at my kids now
the two that we have

1294
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:24,500
homeschooled and I'm like night
and day difference night and

1295
01:18:24,500 --> 01:18:27,800
day.
So this is the spread of our

1296
01:18:28,300 --> 01:18:31,500
life in the human body book and
we'll go through.

1297
01:18:31,500 --> 01:18:35,300
I'll just kind of show you a
couple of spread when I Spread

1298
01:18:35,300 --> 01:18:38,800
its the if you opened it up,
that's the two pages side by

1299
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:40,000
side.
The two Lookout.

1300
01:18:41,900 --> 01:18:45,700
Okay, so all of our workbooks
and we like to think of them as

1301
01:18:45,900 --> 01:18:49,700
supplementary, we don't
necessarily think that this is a

1302
01:18:49,700 --> 01:18:51,800
whole curriculum that you should
do just this.

1303
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:55,100
But you can teach what you're
teaching at home doing your own

1304
01:18:55,100 --> 01:18:58,400
thing and then just add this in.
As supplementary, add your own

1305
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:02,500
math, do whatever you want to do
because we know that there's no

1306
01:19:02,500 --> 01:19:05,300
one way to do this.
You're going to probably do

1307
01:19:05,300 --> 01:19:07,900
something in the next year.
You'll do something different.

1308
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:12,400
And so that's kind of our ideas
that this is just Hurry as you

1309
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,100
go along in your school career
and if it's right for you then

1310
01:19:15,300 --> 01:19:18,300
this will work.
But we also all.

1311
01:19:18,300 --> 01:19:21,600
Start everything.
Everything starts out with

1312
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:25,200
asking questions and teaching
kids how to ask questions.

1313
01:19:25,500 --> 01:19:31,000
So in some variation, all of our
workbooks are going to have some

1314
01:19:31,100 --> 01:19:34,300
spread like this.
Is going to teach them how to

1315
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:36,800
answer questions and we began
this.

1316
01:19:37,700 --> 01:19:41,200
You actually use this word
critical, okay?

1317
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:45,100
We've been trained to think that
we'd be critical thinkers.

1318
01:19:46,100 --> 01:19:49,600
I believe that that's a Twist or
a counterfeit of what we

1319
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:53,300
actually should do because
critical the root of critical is

1320
01:19:53,300 --> 01:19:57,300
to criticize or to tear
something apart.

1321
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:01,500
Now, there's some value in that,
but I think the most important

1322
01:20:01,500 --> 01:20:03,900
thing we should do is to be
objective in our thinking.

1323
01:20:04,700 --> 01:20:08,300
So, objecting means asking and
asking questions with an open

1324
01:20:08,300 --> 01:20:12,400
mind the other questioning
attitudes like, Uncle or partial

1325
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,000
are ways of asking questions
without being open-minded,

1326
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:18,100
including critical.
So, I think we have to kind of

1327
01:20:18,100 --> 01:20:22,500
change our ideology to thinking
objectively and asking

1328
01:20:22,500 --> 01:20:26,500
objectively reviewing that.
So I won't go into all the

1329
01:20:27,300 --> 01:20:30,900
details about these questions,
but there is a really big deal

1330
01:20:30,900 --> 01:20:33,700
to understanding the difference
between knowledge and wisdom

1331
01:20:34,100 --> 01:20:36,300
when Adam and Eve were in the
Garden of Eden and they partook

1332
01:20:36,300 --> 01:20:40,200
of the fruit of the tree of what
knowledge.

1333
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:44,600
We add the clarifier of Good and
Evil, and that kind of takes

1334
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:49,000
away the real value as the tree
of knowledge, and remember what

1335
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:52,900
is truth.
Truth is knowledge of things

1336
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,900
that doesn't change over time.
So when they partook of the

1337
01:20:55,900 --> 01:21:00,600
fruit of the tree of knowledge,
they were partaking of the fruit

1338
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:05,600
of the tree of truth, truth or
light or spirit of God.

1339
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,600
This is a fullness.
They were participating in this

1340
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:10,800
fullness of Truth, light and
knowledge.

1341
01:21:11,300 --> 01:21:15,300
And the process would bring
death but and that's another

1342
01:21:15,300 --> 01:21:19,100
subject but keep in mind.
So our job is to go find

1343
01:21:19,100 --> 01:21:23,300
knowledge, teach our kids
knowledge and then the Lord will

1344
01:21:23,300 --> 01:21:26,100
actually give us the wisdom
questions of how answers

1345
01:21:26,100 --> 01:21:27,800
division questions of how and
why?

1346
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:30,500
And again you can tie that to
the scriptures.

1347
01:21:30,500 --> 01:21:33,500
You can go back to Moses chapter
1 and in it.

1348
01:21:33,500 --> 01:21:36,300
Moses asked the Lord a question,
he says Tell Me Lord how this

1349
01:21:36,300 --> 01:21:40,000
happened and I'll be happy.
And the Lord answers and says

1350
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:43,100
here is wisdom and it remaineth
in me.

1351
01:21:43,900 --> 01:21:47,600
So the answers to that question
of how is a wisdom question and

1352
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,900
God did not want to tell him
that yet, right?

1353
01:21:52,500 --> 01:21:56,700
Anyway, so we start with that
teaching questions and learning

1354
01:21:56,700 --> 01:22:01,300
about the laws of wisdom and
knowledge and then our workbooks

1355
01:22:01,300 --> 01:22:04,900
are also Hands-On.
So, in this case, we start with

1356
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:09,100
them doing a pattern as simple
apron pattern because their idea

1357
01:22:09,100 --> 01:22:11,900
is to learn about the pattern of
what God has done before.

1358
01:22:11,900 --> 01:22:14,100
This isn't no, you don't have to
reinvent it.

1359
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,500
This is a pattern.
All things have a plan.

1360
01:22:17,900 --> 01:22:20,200
God doesn't do anything that he
doesn't have a plan.

1361
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:24,600
So the plan, which we To refer
to, as a Plan of Salvation, sort

1362
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:28,200
of identifies.
What God's business is his

1363
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:30,900
business is to bring to pass the
immortality and eternal life of

1364
01:22:30,900 --> 01:22:35,800
man, right, right?
So that business is why he

1365
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:39,000
created the Earth.
So that's a part of the plan,

1366
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:42,000
right?
And then he did that by bringing

1367
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:44,800
these ingredients.
And so they have a make cookies,

1368
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:48,200
all of these things are to kind
of conceptualize the idea of a

1369
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:51,600
pattern plan.
And then the ingredients, which

1370
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:53,500
says It's the state to learn
about DNA.

1371
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:58,100
So now you can dive as deep as
you need to and we're not afraid

1372
01:22:58,100 --> 01:23:01,900
of taking you deep into DNA like
right over here.

1373
01:23:01,900 --> 01:23:04,400
And then, the next thing they do
is they actually make DNA, they

1374
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:07,900
make the double helix, they make
their base pairs out of simple

1375
01:23:07,900 --> 01:23:12,400
things.
And they understand now, The

1376
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:17,300
greatest storage system that has
ever been discovered on planet

1377
01:23:17,300 --> 01:23:22,300
Earth is DNA and it helps them
to start understanding the

1378
01:23:22,300 --> 01:23:26,700
science behind why Evolution
couldn't have happened, then

1379
01:23:26,700 --> 01:23:29,000
they build a cell.
And so they look at that cell

1380
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,700
and they build the specific, you
know, the parts and pieces of a

1381
01:23:31,708 --> 01:23:36,500
cell again having his fun or as
much as you want and then that

1382
01:23:36,500 --> 01:23:39,800
comes together and you say okay
now is this an accident now that

1383
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:43,000
you've seen all of this Design
work.

1384
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:48,000
Was an accident.
And then you talk about how

1385
01:23:48,100 --> 01:23:50,800
Circle the items right here that
you think were made by accident.

1386
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:54,400
See that right there, right?
And so you have an important

1387
01:23:54,500 --> 01:23:57,700
important part as, for parents
to just have the discussion,

1388
01:23:57,700 --> 01:24:01,800
like you said, talk about it.
And then let them cool.

1389
01:24:03,300 --> 01:24:06,000
And then we actually have the we
talk about often.

1390
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,000
How there are two different
beliefs you've got modern

1391
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:09,700
science.
And then you've got um, world

1392
01:24:09,700 --> 01:24:12,800
history and you talk about,
okay?

1393
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:16,200
These are the two things.
What is Mars Sciences answer

1394
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:19,600
about from where did you moons?
Come, what is their answer and

1395
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:24,000
what is the biblical answer?
That is awesome.

1396
01:24:25,700 --> 01:24:30,200
Then we also talked about here,
for example, we teach them how

1397
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:33,300
to read an article.
Now, if you read that article,

1398
01:24:33,300 --> 01:24:35,600
it says, what?
Evolutions in a Petri dish, kind

1399
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,000
of acts like it proves it right,
right?

1400
01:24:39,300 --> 01:24:43,000
But this might be too small for
you down here, but it even calls

1401
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:44,400
out.
It says research that shows,

1402
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:48,400
microscopic worms on the verge
of speciation produces Evolution

1403
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:51,600
provides Evolution with
experimental evidence evidence

1404
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:57,200
that creation is does Have.
So they're calling out creation

1405
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:59,500
and seen this article, right?
Right.

1406
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:04,000
But it says research that shows
microscopic worms on the verge

1407
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:07,800
of speciation on the verge, how
about this right here?

1408
01:25:08,900 --> 01:25:12,800
In the lab microscopic worm, C
elegans almost evolved.

1409
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:18,300
Or here's this one right here,
these words have not fully

1410
01:25:18,300 --> 01:25:21,500
evolved into separate species,
novice conceived, but they seem

1411
01:25:21,500 --> 01:25:28,100
close yeah, it's that's one of
those things where I feel like

1412
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:32,200
Okay, this is Scientific
American right here.

1413
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:37,400
December 2007, hmm.
Okay, what this is is it's

1414
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:40,000
called spot.
The not it's an exercise that we

1415
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,800
teach the kids to go look for
things.

1416
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:46,400
Like might have could have
fraud, no appears to almost

1417
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:48,300
inferred.
Look for the words.

1418
01:25:48,300 --> 01:25:51,100
So they pick any article, they
want.

1419
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:54,800
They what did they learn?
What knots did you find?

1420
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,000
And then do you disagree or
agree with the article

1421
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,200
explaining?
So we're not trying to, we're

1422
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:02,800
not Anti sciencing them.
We're saying go read it.

1423
01:26:02,900 --> 01:26:04,600
Objectively see what they're
saying?

1424
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:08,200
Did you notice anything that
were not proven thoughts?

1425
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:14,400
Oh, that is so cool because I
feel like it really is teaching

1426
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:18,000
them how to think, right?
Which I think is more important

1427
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:22,500
than than anything else and then
we go on and talk about there's

1428
01:26:22,500 --> 01:26:25,300
a lot of stuff like once it is
no such thing as coincidence.

1429
01:26:25,300 --> 01:26:28,400
And so, you know, here's here we
are talking about the body book

1430
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:31,000
and we're talking about a solar
and lunar eclipses.

1431
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:35,200
We're talking about the Earth
and human, you know, so you're

1432
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:38,300
bringing this stuff together
animals can create maze.

1433
01:26:38,500 --> 01:26:39,900
The things they have their job
on.

1434
01:26:39,900 --> 01:26:43,500
This is to just go name.
What animal goes to what

1435
01:26:43,500 --> 01:26:47,100
creation here.
Fill in the blanks.

1436
01:26:47,100 --> 01:26:50,700
These are all created by animals
naturally and then we have them

1437
01:26:50,700 --> 01:26:53,400
create their own, collage cut
out, pictures.

1438
01:26:53,700 --> 01:26:57,200
Create your own thing.
And then we talked about God's

1439
01:26:57,200 --> 01:27:00,700
most amazing creation.
And so, if you'll notice, we

1440
01:27:00,700 --> 01:27:05,600
didn't go to the babies through
the Avenue of sex.

1441
01:27:06,100 --> 01:27:09,500
We went through to the baby
through the Avenue of creation

1442
01:27:09,500 --> 01:27:15,200
first right though, that we're
recognizing what the body is a

1443
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:19,600
creation and then we just go
through and talk about it and we

1444
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:21,500
talked about where does Life
Begin.

1445
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:25,100
We don't answer that.
We say, these are the things

1446
01:27:25,100 --> 01:27:27,200
that are going on.
Happened this happens, this

1447
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,900
happens parents is up to you to
figure out when life begins,

1448
01:27:29,900 --> 01:27:32,000
except for you.
You know, there's not my job to

1449
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:36,800
tell your kids, it's your job.
But then even then we talked

1450
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:40,800
about, we connect life to the
fertility and Kirk culture,

1451
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,600
which means the how many babies
were having.

1452
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,400
How do we, what's the purpose of
having these babies in a

1453
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:51,000
community?
And then we talk about genetics

1454
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,400
and what's different, what's so
unique?

1455
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:55,800
There's no possible way that you
could be anything other than

1456
01:27:55,800 --> 01:28:01,200
you, then we get into the stuff
that's genders from a science

1457
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:04,000
point of view about why there's
only two genders in about the

1458
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,900
roles of men and women.
Oh, Russ, it's so hateful.

1459
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:11,500
Yeah.
And see, now that we've kind of

1460
01:28:11,500 --> 01:28:13,600
gone away.
It's not about sex anymore.

1461
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,800
It's about these are the things
that are happening and so we get

1462
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:21,200
directly into what the body too.
Changes are going on, right?

1463
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:24,900
But we focus on the privilege
and blessing of becoming a woman

1464
01:28:25,500 --> 01:28:28,800
and we focus on the in the
responsibility of an honor of

1465
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:33,900
becoming a man.
You know, so it's not about yes,

1466
01:28:33,900 --> 01:28:36,500
your body is going through these
changes but we don't need to

1467
01:28:36,500 --> 01:28:40,400
sexualize it right to do is turn
it back to the family.

1468
01:28:41,300 --> 01:28:44,900
And so this leads to the family
and the different family roles.

1469
01:28:46,900 --> 01:28:49,800
Hmm.
And then we get into what it

1470
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,400
means, the differences.
You know, a lot of times modern

1471
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:54,800
science will try to tell us that
there's only three percent

1472
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:57,100
difference between us and the
chimpanzees, what must be all

1473
01:28:57,100 --> 01:29:00,500
right?
And so we we go for a from that

1474
01:29:00,500 --> 01:29:03,400
point of view, what are the
differences?

1475
01:29:03,500 --> 01:29:06,200
What are the similarities?
And then we compare that, okay?

1476
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:09,100
There's similarities in this
house to got a dog house and a

1477
01:29:09,100 --> 01:29:12,000
house and a building.
You know what are the

1478
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:14,800
similarities there there 93%
somewhere?

1479
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,800
Sure, sure.
It doesn't take into account

1480
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:26,100
just how Stark the 7% really is
and then we talk about things

1481
01:29:26,100 --> 01:29:30,100
like humans cannot.
Okay.

1482
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:36,900
Yeah.
I'm that other animals can never

1483
01:29:36,900 --> 01:29:39,700
overcome.
Right.

1484
01:29:39,700 --> 01:29:42,700
Only only man has the ability to
overcome those things.

1485
01:29:45,700 --> 01:29:48,400
And so, all this is about the
difference between conscience

1486
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:51,900
responsibility, agency.
So that your understanding and

1487
01:29:51,900 --> 01:29:55,100
you're seeing the things that
happen in the animal kingdom vs,

1488
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:59,600
Man, which sets up for us to
understand the sphere of Life

1489
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:01,500
agency.
Like for example, when God

1490
01:30:01,500 --> 01:30:05,700
creates plants have less agency
than animals and animals have

1491
01:30:05,700 --> 01:30:09,900
less Aid due to humans Right.
Things are created in your

1492
01:30:09,900 --> 01:30:16,800
quarter of agency.
Yeah and then we have we talked

1493
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:21,200
about health so that we're not
disparaging or qualifying or

1494
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:25,100
disqualifying things like
essential oils reflexology

1495
01:30:25,100 --> 01:30:28,400
acupuncture and we all were
trying to do is say okay there's

1496
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,000
two different people.
Some people think this way,

1497
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:32,400
something this way, what do you
think?

1498
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:35,900
What is your family name?
So you're opening the door to

1499
01:30:35,900 --> 01:30:40,800
have the discussions with your
kids about what you think and

1500
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:45,600
how you want to do it.
And then we have a pretty big

1501
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:48,800
deal about anxiety about how to
deal with anxiety.

1502
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:51,100
And this page is supposed to
look for an addict because it's

1503
01:30:51,100 --> 01:30:54,100
supposed to say, that's what you
feel like sometimes.

1504
01:30:56,100 --> 01:30:59,900
Right.
And this is the midpoint in the

1505
01:30:59,900 --> 01:31:03,100
book and that's where they start
creating a body now.

1506
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:05,600
So they're going to take this
piece of paper, they're going to

1507
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:10,300
create an outline of their body
and then we're going to get deep

1508
01:31:10,300 --> 01:31:12,700
into these systems here.
Okay?

1509
01:31:13,100 --> 01:31:15,100
Okay.
This is where you're saying that

1510
01:31:15,100 --> 01:31:20,800
sometimes we shortchange our
kids Well look at the stuff

1511
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:23,200
they're going to learn here.
They start by creating a nerve

1512
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:26,500
bundle.
And that nerve bundles and added

1513
01:31:26,500 --> 01:31:28,800
two bones and they're going to
learn about all the different

1514
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:31,200
parts of the bones of the spine
in that.

1515
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:34,900
So you know this is these are
young guys who are here, they're

1516
01:31:34,900 --> 01:31:38,700
89 years old, they're learning
about lumbar thoracic cervical.

1517
01:31:38,700 --> 01:31:42,100
You know they're going as deep
as you need to go.

1518
01:31:42,100 --> 01:31:47,200
But this is if your child is a
little bit younger and this is

1519
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:50,400
too much for them, then you're
going to focus on this side,

1520
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:53,000
you're going to talk about just
the simple stuff, right?

1521
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:55,800
But you know what, if you've got
Ten-year-old the wants to be a

1522
01:31:55,808 --> 01:31:58,000
nurse.
I'm not a tenor, you know, say a

1523
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:00,100
12 13 year old wants to be a
nurse.

1524
01:32:00,500 --> 01:32:01,700
They've got to learn these
things.

1525
01:32:01,700 --> 01:32:04,800
Are going to have to take and
physical physiology, anatomy

1526
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:08,300
class, anyway, let him die, let
him get into this.

1527
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:16,500
Right.
So you Well, let me ask you this

1528
01:32:16,500 --> 01:32:18,600
question here because I love the
way.

1529
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:21,900
This is all laid out.
I love how it builds on top of

1530
01:32:21,900 --> 01:32:25,200
each other.
I love the fact that the

1531
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:27,900
scriptures and the gospel are
Incorporated.

1532
01:32:28,300 --> 01:32:31,500
I love the fact that it can be
scaled up or down depending on a

1533
01:32:31,508 --> 01:32:35,300
child's position or maturity
level.

1534
01:32:38,700 --> 01:32:42,200
Is there anyway?
And I asked us about the

1535
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:47,600
universal model specifically
because again, my kids are

1536
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:50,800
almost all groan.
I have my youngest.

1537
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:56,600
My two, youngest will be 17 and
in a couple of months, right?

1538
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:03,200
But I worry about my grandkids
now is, is there a way that

1539
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:08,900
somebody can pick up the
universal model and get an Of

1540
01:33:08,900 --> 01:33:15,500
how its taught by somebody.
Well, I have, I don't think I

1541
01:33:15,500 --> 01:33:20,500
loaded the volume one workbook.
That's okay.

1542
01:33:21,500 --> 01:33:27,200
So this if you'll notice at the
top of our workbook pages, it'll

1543
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:32,900
say page 6:30 and um, volume 2
So it'll tell you where, in the

1544
01:33:32,900 --> 01:33:37,200
um, this is coming from here
from 626 26, 28.

1545
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:40,800
A lot of this isn't in the, um,
because um, only addresses

1546
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:42,600
things that are different,
right?

1547
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:47,000
That are kind of unique, right?
We're hoping to write a

1548
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:50,600
companion book for this, that
will take the, um, material and

1549
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:53,000
then fill in the blanks.
And have this discussion.

1550
01:33:53,300 --> 01:33:56,000
This right here is pretty cool.
For example, there are three

1551
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:57,600
brains and, you know, you have
three brains.

1552
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:02,900
I did not.
I know that there's 21 in the

1553
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:08,300
inside, my Dome and then 11 in
my gut right.

1554
01:34:08,300 --> 01:34:11,500
There are actually three and
there and it's based on them

1555
01:34:11,500 --> 01:34:14,300
being neurons neurons cells are
brain cells.

1556
01:34:14,300 --> 01:34:17,500
Okay, are actually in your gut,
in your heart, and in your

1557
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:22,500
cranial brain and they connect
through this vagus nerve right

1558
01:34:22,500 --> 01:34:24,400
here.
So they're connected this nerve

1559
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,500
connects.
And if, if you think of this

1560
01:34:26,500 --> 01:34:31,800
from a scriptural point of view,
remember that idea about how Or

1561
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:34,800
more can testify of the truth,
right?

1562
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:38,600
So your, your brain can be
deceived your cranial brain.

1563
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:42,500
You can be, you can smell or
see, or hear something that's

1564
01:34:42,500 --> 01:34:45,800
not right.
You can be tricked, your heart

1565
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:50,100
can also be deceived but when
you have the testimony of these

1566
01:34:50,100 --> 01:34:53,000
three things, your heart, your
gut, and your brain.

1567
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:58,500
You can avoid a lot of trouble
in your life if you get those

1568
01:34:58,500 --> 01:35:02,000
three things working in concert,
right, right.

1569
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:08,000
So let me just pop in a real
quick and we'll just give you a

1570
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:11,000
quick look at the world
geography book.

1571
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:16,300
And that one is, again, we start
with the same kind of things

1572
01:35:16,500 --> 01:35:19,400
about these questions.
See it just a little bit

1573
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:22,000
different layout.
Here's the learning process

1574
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:25,500
about the questions that
describe the Knowledge Questions

1575
01:35:25,500 --> 01:35:29,600
versus the intangible, so it's
just a way of different of

1576
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:33,100
looking at it differently.
This one, you start by gridding,

1577
01:35:33,100 --> 01:35:35,000
you learn how to do.
You're going to take that

1578
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:38,000
picture and transfer to that
because you're learning how to

1579
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:39,500
grid.
Okay.

1580
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:45,300
And then we set the stage for
learning by faith and eventually

1581
01:35:45,300 --> 01:35:47,900
you're going to actually draw
this whole Big Grid on a big

1582
01:35:47,900 --> 01:35:49,700
project board.
Okay?

1583
01:35:49,700 --> 01:35:52,600
So this is kind of shown small
here because this folds out in a

1584
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:56,300
book, it folds out to two feet
wide and you're going to build a

1585
01:35:56,308 --> 01:35:59,000
big board will show you that in
just a minute.

1586
01:35:59,300 --> 01:36:01,500
But then we start geography in
the Garden of Eden.

1587
01:36:02,500 --> 01:36:04,800
Okay, and we start.
Okay, here we are Garden of

1588
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:10,100
Eden, Adam and Eve were cast
out, what tools did, they make

1589
01:36:10,100 --> 01:36:13,200
to kill the animals to offer.
Sacrifice death wasn't in the

1590
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:15,000
garden before.
So, there were no tools.

1591
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:18,900
Why is that important?
As we learn about these tools,

1592
01:36:19,300 --> 01:36:22,400
we learn about where Adam first
lived.

1593
01:36:23,300 --> 01:36:26,100
Because these tools, these stone
tools are left in the record

1594
01:36:26,100 --> 01:36:27,600
here.
They are right here in America,

1595
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:30,900
right?
So before the flood, we're now

1596
01:36:30,900 --> 01:36:35,500
showing where Adam lived which
leads us to understand more

1597
01:36:35,500 --> 01:36:40,300
about the arc and then where
they landed and how the Earth

1598
01:36:40,300 --> 01:36:44,300
was divided the Tower of Babel
how the three languages, the

1599
01:36:44,300 --> 01:36:46,800
three pictographic language is
developed from the Tower of

1600
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:49,800
Babel.
This is the Out of Africa

1601
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:51,400
Theory, that's in modern
science.

1602
01:36:51,700 --> 01:36:55,500
This is the Noah record and how
he describes things.

1603
01:36:55,500 --> 01:36:58,900
So, you're learning the to two
ways of supposed.

1604
01:36:58,900 --> 01:37:03,300
Migrations of people, learning
about how big the Earth is.

1605
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:06,400
Now, how do you map a flat map
on a globe?

1606
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:09,000
So they actually do a little and
you can see, this one is geared

1607
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:11,800
more towards a younger age,
right?

1608
01:37:12,700 --> 01:37:18,200
This is atmospheric layers.
Oceanic layers, time zones.

1609
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:24,100
Seas navigation ancient
explorers.

1610
01:37:26,300 --> 01:37:29,700
Climate.
Shortest, longest days of the

1611
01:37:29,708 --> 01:37:31,200
year.
This is all geographies.

1612
01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:35,000
You can see the depth of all of
this stuff that's coming out

1613
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:37,300
here, right?
It's not just simply where

1614
01:37:37,300 --> 01:37:40,700
places are, but it's about
things that shape those places.

1615
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:44,800
Like whether current flow,
here's another little simple

1616
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:49,000
thing for the younger people and
then here's your first map.

1617
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:51,700
This is what that map will look
like when you get it.

1618
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:53,900
You can see how big that is now,
right?

1619
01:37:54,700 --> 01:37:56,600
The little print out, is the
size.

1620
01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:59,700
That's in their book.
And this is the big map that

1621
01:37:59,700 --> 01:38:04,600
they're going to create.
Okay, and this takes the entire

1622
01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:07,300
semester entire year.
I'm going to do so it's not

1623
01:38:07,300 --> 01:38:10,100
immediate gratification.
You're going to take some time

1624
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:13,600
and you're going to go through
this and add mountain ranges and

1625
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:16,500
Peaks and valleys.
And at the same time you're

1626
01:38:16,500 --> 01:38:18,800
going to learn about the
mountains in the scriptures like

1627
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:20,600
Mount of transfiguration.
Where was it?

1628
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:23,600
Where was Mount Ararat?
Well where's Mount Horeb?

1629
01:38:24,300 --> 01:38:27,500
And so you have the scriptures
up here you match them up and go

1630
01:38:27,500 --> 01:38:31,000
find it put it on your map.
The mountain of the Lord.

1631
01:38:33,300 --> 01:38:37,600
Okay, Psalm.
So you're combining physical

1632
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:40,600
facts with scriptural stories in
history.

1633
01:38:42,100 --> 01:38:44,600
It's cool.
Things like Dead Sea.

1634
01:38:44,900 --> 01:38:48,200
Yeah, I was going to say one of
the other things that I loved is

1635
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:54,500
the fact that going back to the
the one you showed about, you

1636
01:38:54,500 --> 01:38:58,200
know, the Out of Africa model
versus the no account.

1637
01:38:58,700 --> 01:39:01,300
Well, I like the fact that in
all this, that we're seeing on

1638
01:39:01,300 --> 01:39:07,100
here, you haven't shied away
from maybe the opposition's

1639
01:39:07,100 --> 01:39:09,800
point of view, you confront it
head-on.

1640
01:39:10,100 --> 01:39:13,200
All right here, origin of water.
Under the intelligent engineer

1641
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:16,600
creation process.
And then here's the random Court

1642
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:19,600
accretion model.
Yeah, right.

1643
01:39:20,300 --> 01:39:24,100
So and we're pulling this from
space.com and we're pulling this

1644
01:39:24,100 --> 01:39:26,100
from King James version Genesis,
right.

1645
01:39:26,100 --> 01:39:29,000
So we're just saying, okay, here
are the two stories about how

1646
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:32,600
this happened and you're just
learning this alongside here.

1647
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:36,600
The terms that you're going to
find in geography, And then

1648
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:40,400
water Hydro.
Volcanoes water volcano craters.

1649
01:39:43,100 --> 01:39:45,500
So, and it's fun.
It's stuff that the kids love.

1650
01:39:45,500 --> 01:39:49,400
I'm the one of the great things
they do is When we talk about

1651
01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:52,900
America, we not only talk about
the United States.

1652
01:39:52,900 --> 01:39:56,700
But the Covenant, what makes it
important here, right?

1653
01:39:56,800 --> 01:40:00,000
And what kid doesn't love flags
and all they got to do all that.

1654
01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:03,300
And then we do Canada and Mexico
to.

1655
01:40:03,300 --> 01:40:05,200
So you're learning about the
States and Mexico.

1656
01:40:05,200 --> 01:40:09,000
Again, you can dive as deep as
you want or the provinces in

1657
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:12,200
Canada.
And then we do a little bit

1658
01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:14,500
about each country.
You pick your own, then we do

1659
01:40:14,500 --> 01:40:18,700
natural hazards.
And so you're going through all

1660
01:40:18,700 --> 01:40:21,800
those things and it toward the
end, this is where here's your

1661
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:24,600
poorest countries.
And the purpose of understanding

1662
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:26,400
that is that we can make a
difference.

1663
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:29,300
And so the these are the
scriptures that tell us about

1664
01:40:29,300 --> 01:40:32,000
what do we need to do to love
our neighbor and how do we make

1665
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:35,000
a difference?
And so you do a service project,

1666
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:42,500
And a service project.
And then the very last thing,

1667
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:44,800
I'm not sure if this was going
to show, this is the very last

1668
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:48,300
thing on Earth, Earth Day, April
22nd.

1669
01:40:48,300 --> 01:40:51,600
Each year is about how we're
supposed to go out and plant

1670
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:54,900
trees, clean up, rivers, and do
all these things, right, right?

1671
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:58,500
So this is the good stuff but
it's done for a bad way.

1672
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:04,500
This is idolatry right?
But God says, let us give man in

1673
01:41:04,500 --> 01:41:06,700
our image and let's give him
Dominion.

1674
01:41:07,300 --> 01:41:10,100
So dominion over the fish has
see follow the The air and over

1675
01:41:10,100 --> 01:41:10,900
all the cattle.
Right?

1676
01:41:10,900 --> 01:41:15,600
So he's supposed to have
dominion and by having Dominion

1677
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:18,300
means, he has to do the same
things as Earth day, but we're

1678
01:41:18,300 --> 01:41:21,300
doing it for a different reason.
Now, we're doing it as part of

1679
01:41:21,300 --> 01:41:25,200
the Commandment given to Adam.
And so they do the Dominion

1680
01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:28,700
mandate service project.
That's the last thing they do,

1681
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:36,700
and then here's their final map.
So at the end, they've got a map

1682
01:41:36,700 --> 01:41:40,700
there and it's got its got all
the tundra in the mountain and

1683
01:41:40,700 --> 01:41:43,300
the Mid-Atlantic Ridge and time
zones.

1684
01:41:43,300 --> 01:41:46,700
And and they've created this,
they've made the map themselves

1685
01:41:46,700 --> 01:41:49,700
and I'm telling you, it makes a
huge difference.

1686
01:41:50,100 --> 01:41:52,800
Oh yeah, our kids.
You can ask them.

1687
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:56,600
They'll say, you know, they'll
say where is this?

1688
01:41:56,600 --> 01:41:58,300
They'll say?
Oh no, that's not there.

1689
01:41:58,300 --> 01:42:02,000
That's not, that's a Euro it's
up there and they'll tell you

1690
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:04,000
where the where the different
countries are where the

1691
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:09,200
different rivers are.
So that is so cool.

1692
01:42:09,500 --> 01:42:12,400
Yeah I know I know I feel like
you guys have done just a

1693
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:17,500
tremendous job here and and and
just not presenting facts as you

1694
01:42:17,500 --> 01:42:20,300
understand them.
But again, going and showing

1695
01:42:20,300 --> 01:42:23,100
what the opposing view side is,
right?

1696
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:28,300
The other thing, I love how you
refrained Earth Day, right.

1697
01:42:28,700 --> 01:42:32,400
One of the things I've often
said, is that I feel like the

1698
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:36,600
environmental movement kind, Of
puts things on its head where

1699
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:40,400
you you worship the creation
rather than the Creator are

1700
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:43,500
exactly right.
And and I love how you put that

1701
01:42:43,500 --> 01:42:47,800
back into its proper context,
that's that's just you pendous

1702
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:50,400
and you do this with every
subject, right?

1703
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:56,000
Not just you know, earth science
or whatever but every single

1704
01:42:56,400 --> 01:42:59,000
every single subject.
Yeah.

1705
01:42:59,100 --> 01:43:02,700
And that's the whole thing is,
if you understand, Satan can

1706
01:43:02,700 --> 01:43:06,000
never create.
He can only imitate So if you

1707
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:11,200
see something that is his fault,
then all you need to do is just

1708
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:14,200
look at the invitation.
What is it imitating?

1709
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:17,200
What is it trying to corrupt or
counterfeit?

1710
01:43:17,700 --> 01:43:22,200
Because the truth is closed by
Satan, can never do it, right?

1711
01:43:22,300 --> 01:43:24,900
And he's always trying to twist
it and turn it just a little

1712
01:43:24,900 --> 01:43:28,200
bit.
So I think it's important that

1713
01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:32,100
our kids know what is being
taught in modern schools because

1714
01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:34,900
most of their peers that they
grow up and go to work again.

1715
01:43:35,100 --> 01:43:37,900
I know these things and if they
know them, it's a lot harder to

1716
01:43:37,900 --> 01:43:40,600
make them feel dumb.
When somebody comes at them and

1717
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:43,900
they have knowledge of the basic
idea of evolution or age of the

1718
01:43:43,900 --> 01:43:46,600
herbs are Earth Day and they can
say well no that's not true.

1719
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:50,000
This is and they can talk about
both sides that gives them

1720
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:53,100
power.
Absolutely knowledge is power.

1721
01:43:54,500 --> 01:44:01,100
Absolutely, this is laid out so
well I'm kind of irritated.

1722
01:44:01,100 --> 01:44:03,700
I didn't know about this when I
jerked, my my twins out of

1723
01:44:03,700 --> 01:44:06,900
school.
But you know the thing is is

1724
01:44:07,700 --> 01:44:10,600
Dave is there's no get your kids
out of school.

1725
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:12,100
That was the best thing you
could do.

1726
01:44:13,300 --> 01:44:16,000
You know, we have one of many,
good ideas.

1727
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:18,900
One of the things that we
debated as whether or not we

1728
01:44:18,900 --> 01:44:23,300
should make this just Christian,
or should we dive in and bring

1729
01:44:23,300 --> 01:44:27,600
in what Joseph Smith?
Gave to us in the way of more

1730
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:30,700
light and knowledge and
ultimately we had to go that

1731
01:44:30,700 --> 01:44:33,300
way.
If we don't honor the

1732
01:44:33,500 --> 01:44:36,200
Restoration, in the things that
we've been given through Joseph

1733
01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:39,800
Smith, then why what's the
point?

1734
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:43,000
So it's pretty critical and
that's why we use the inspired

1735
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:44,700
version.
When we talk about scriptures,

1736
01:44:44,700 --> 01:44:49,300
most of the time and we also
turn back to the revelations

1737
01:44:49,300 --> 01:44:50,900
that Joseph gives us about
things.

1738
01:44:50,900 --> 01:44:54,700
So Joseph Smith and the standard
works of the church.

1739
01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:57,600
Church or kind of the things we
use as our Baseline.

1740
01:44:57,800 --> 01:45:03,100
When we're comparing this versus
that, we try as much as possible

1741
01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:07,900
to just lay things out so that
you can teach your kids and you

1742
01:45:07,900 --> 01:45:12,400
give them your opinions and your
ideas Yeah, totally.

1743
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:16,000
You should are qualified.
Yeah, I should have saved that

1744
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:21,800
question about, you know, an
example of teaching it for the,

1745
01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:25,100
for this part.
Because as I look through this,

1746
01:45:25,100 --> 01:45:28,100
even a guy like me could have
figured this out, right?

1747
01:45:28,100 --> 01:45:32,300
I mean, this lays out in such an
easy way that it's just

1748
01:45:32,300 --> 01:45:35,500
incredible.
Yes, but it's not easy.

1749
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:39,900
You can't just go fill it out.
It requires thought and you know

1750
01:45:39,900 --> 01:45:42,200
each of the processes the
questions themselves.

1751
01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:45,700
Are they require that you get it
and get in, start digging and

1752
01:45:45,700 --> 01:45:47,400
you learn about stuff.
You got to look it up.

1753
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:50,400
It's not just the most important
thing though.

1754
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:52,400
What's work?
The best and all the people.

1755
01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:55,800
We've talked to that do this is
that has brought the kids

1756
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:58,400
together and they've had a
conversation, you cannot give

1757
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:01,500
this workbook and say, okay
Johnny go do this and come and

1758
01:46:01,500 --> 01:46:05,500
tell me when you're finished.
It creates an environment where

1759
01:46:05,500 --> 01:46:08,400
you must engage and that has to
be that way.

1760
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:12,100
Dave, because how many people
grew up knowing that the earth

1761
01:46:12,100 --> 01:46:16,500
was formed in water, almost
nobody and so you can't just

1762
01:46:16,500 --> 01:46:19,400
send your, your kids off to know
something that you don't even

1763
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:22,700
know yourself.
You need to know that it's like

1764
01:46:22,700 --> 01:46:24,700
Earth Day.
We hear about it all the time.

1765
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:27,800
But how many people know that
there is a Dominion mandate?

1766
01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:32,100
That's exactly correct.
That takes away that counterfeit

1767
01:46:32,700 --> 01:46:33,400
right.
Right.

1768
01:46:33,400 --> 01:46:36,400
And how many there, so many
things where we talked about the

1769
01:46:37,700 --> 01:46:40,300
scriptures about things and how
they happen.

1770
01:46:40,300 --> 01:46:43,900
And yet, here's the science,
bring them together and now we

1771
01:46:43,900 --> 01:46:49,400
know the reason for these
things, This is one of my things

1772
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:50,900
right here.
One of my favorite is less

1773
01:46:50,900 --> 01:46:53,600
sediment.
Have you ever even heard of less

1774
01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:57,600
sediment?
No, modern science has less

1775
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:03,800
sediment is left over gravel
ground up by the last ice age.

1776
01:47:04,300 --> 01:47:08,200
But if you look down here, all
the red down here on this map,

1777
01:47:08,500 --> 01:47:11,000
right?
All lusts.

1778
01:47:11,300 --> 01:47:15,600
And you know, these, these less
areas are the greatest bread.

1779
01:47:16,200 --> 01:47:19,200
It's in all the world
everywhere.

1780
01:47:19,300 --> 01:47:25,100
The major food sources are is
where less sediment exist and

1781
01:47:25,100 --> 01:47:28,000
less is a living sediment.
It's a combination of both

1782
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:31,200
silica and calcium carbonate,
bacteria, Rich stuff.

1783
01:47:31,900 --> 01:47:36,000
There's no way that it came
other than just, by the flood,

1784
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:40,200
the universal blood.
And so, when, you know, God has

1785
01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:43,800
fed the world because of the
sediment that came out during

1786
01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:47,700
the flood, And there's no other
way to account for how that

1787
01:47:47,700 --> 01:47:57,800
sediment got there.
Wow. it's just Again, I feel

1788
01:47:57,900 --> 01:48:03,600
every time I talk to you, I feel
like I feel like it gets

1789
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:07,600
exposed.
Just how shortchanged we've been

1790
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:10,300
for a lot of years with public
education.

1791
01:48:11,900 --> 01:48:16,700
Yes, we indeed have.
Um, let me ask you this from

1792
01:48:16,700 --> 01:48:20,700
your own experience for us.
What?

1793
01:48:22,700 --> 01:48:26,300
What are going to be some of the
common challenges parents are

1794
01:48:26,300 --> 01:48:30,000
going to face when they pick up
the universal model and they

1795
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:34,000
take their kids out of school.
Well, the universal model itself

1796
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:37,000
is a big book and so it's going
to be overwhelming and probably

1797
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:40,100
a little bit intimidating.
It's 800 pages in volume 1.

1798
01:48:40,500 --> 01:48:45,100
So I probably would not take
your kids out just to teach in

1799
01:48:45,100 --> 01:48:50,300
the, um, what I would look at is
let the, um, be supplemental

1800
01:48:50,300 --> 01:48:54,100
curriculum.
And the reason that we did The

1801
01:48:54,500 --> 01:48:56,700
Body Book and the geography is
those two.

1802
01:48:56,700 --> 01:49:00,100
Things seem to be pretty hot
topics today.

1803
01:49:00,100 --> 01:49:01,700
Specially The Body Book and
over.

1804
01:49:01,700 --> 01:49:03,500
What?
It's being taught in schools,

1805
01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:06,800
you know.
And and so this this gave us a

1806
01:49:06,808 --> 01:49:10,500
way to say, okay, here's the
science behind behind how you

1807
01:49:10,500 --> 01:49:15,000
can teach two genders without
coming out and making the gender

1808
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:17,600
itself be the problem.
Okay?

1809
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:20,800
And so we didn't come at it
like, oh there's only two

1810
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:22,700
genders.
What we did is scientifically

1811
01:49:22,700 --> 01:49:25,600
show, this is how they're only
two genders and this is why

1812
01:49:25,900 --> 01:49:28,600
we're not talking about what's
in your mind or identify you

1813
01:49:28,600 --> 01:49:32,100
just it's the science and it's
not related to sexuality.

1814
01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:36,700
Latias, just related to the
roles of men and women children,

1815
01:49:36,700 --> 01:49:39,300
and adults, and all these
different phases of life, right?

1816
01:49:39,300 --> 01:49:42,100
So we're, it's
non-confrontational way of

1817
01:49:42,100 --> 01:49:46,100
dealing with genders, gotcha.
And then, the other thing is in

1818
01:49:46,100 --> 01:49:51,900
geography, I believe that if we
don't give our kids Foundation

1819
01:49:51,900 --> 01:49:56,000
that the scriptures are true,
then when they get and they face

1820
01:49:56,000 --> 01:50:01,800
things like evolution in even
BYU and BYU-Idaho, they're not

1821
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:04,800
going to have the strength to be
able to say I've got enough over

1822
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:08,200
here to stand, right?
So we, you know, we want to

1823
01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:10,400
teach them that Adam was a real
person.

1824
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:14,600
He really lived and his works
and his words were real and we

1825
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:17,900
can have confidence that.
That story is a true story.

1826
01:50:18,900 --> 01:50:22,000
That's why we decided that
geography was an important thing

1827
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:25,500
because it starts at at the
Garden of Eden Making the Garden

1828
01:50:25,500 --> 01:50:26,600
of Eden.
A real thing.

1829
01:50:29,800 --> 01:50:38,400
Absolutely.
Well, dude, I can't tell you how

1830
01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:41,400
thankful I am for you and your
the work you've done not just

1831
01:50:41,400 --> 01:50:47,100
with universal model, but I feel
like your voice is is one of the

1832
01:50:47,100 --> 01:50:49,400
more important ones that out
there.

1833
01:50:50,500 --> 01:51:01,300
Basically, telling parents that
they can do this. it's I usually

1834
01:51:01,300 --> 01:51:04,500
try to guard my words very
carefully, but I'm going to go

1835
01:51:05,100 --> 01:51:12,100
go a little further out here.
I feel like if if we don't start

1836
01:51:12,900 --> 01:51:19,100
engaging in some of these
Alternatives that get our kids

1837
01:51:19,100 --> 01:51:24,500
back on a sure, footing I fear
that in another generation we're

1838
01:51:24,500 --> 01:51:27,800
going to see that religion is a
whole forget, Mormonism,

1839
01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:31,100
religion, in general.
Is going to go the way of Europe

1840
01:51:31,100 --> 01:51:36,500
in the United States.
We already see it and I don't

1841
01:51:36,500 --> 01:51:40,100
know if you ever watched, you
know, Terminator or whatever,

1842
01:51:40,100 --> 01:51:42,800
but I think we've got to start
incorporate getting a little bit

1843
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:45,500
comfortable.
With this idea of we're training

1844
01:51:45,500 --> 01:51:48,200
up the resistance in a certain
way, right?

1845
01:51:48,200 --> 01:51:52,800
Not violently, but training up
our kids so that they can stand

1846
01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:54,700
for these truths.
And I feel like your voice here

1847
01:51:54,700 --> 01:51:57,100
on this stuff is just so so
important.

1848
01:51:58,500 --> 01:52:00,100
I believe there are a lot of
voices out there.

1849
01:52:00,100 --> 01:52:03,700
David, we're one of many, there
are people out there that are

1850
01:52:03,700 --> 01:52:06,600
truth tellers and that they're
searching for this.

1851
01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:11,900
And the people that I have had
the chance to be around Dean

1852
01:52:11,900 --> 01:52:16,000
sessions as the author of the,
um, Rod Milgram as the guy

1853
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:19,200
that's working, the Heartland
model, Hannah Stoddard, with Joe

1854
01:52:19,200 --> 01:52:21,500
Smith Foundation.
I've worked with all three of

1855
01:52:21,508 --> 01:52:24,900
these people in their
organizations and all of the all

1856
01:52:24,900 --> 01:52:28,100
of them have a paste.
Add and I think it's really

1857
01:52:28,300 --> 01:52:33,000
Important that we we start
bringing and giving our good

1858
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:35,900
take back our kid.
Excuse me, take back our kids.

1859
01:52:37,200 --> 01:52:40,000
And take them back and teach
them that the scriptures are

1860
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:43,800
true.
Joseph Smith is a prophet Jesus

1861
01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:48,000
Christ, is our savior and then
teach around that and if it

1862
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:51,200
doesn't teach those things,
don't teach it.

1863
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:54,700
Now that doesn't mean you can't
teach geography, but you can

1864
01:52:54,700 --> 01:52:57,800
teach geography that affirms
scriptures in the firm's Christ

1865
01:52:57,800 --> 01:53:00,500
and affirms Joseph Smith.
And you can teach about the

1866
01:53:00,500 --> 01:53:04,200
body, you can teach math, you
can teach English But those

1867
01:53:04,200 --> 01:53:08,600
things need to always, come back
to those fundamental questions

1868
01:53:08,600 --> 01:53:11,400
that we're constantly
reinforcing and answering or

1869
01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:13,700
you're right.
We're going to lose the Next

1870
01:53:13,700 --> 01:53:17,200
Generation more than 72% of all.
Millennials are already leaving

1871
01:53:17,200 --> 01:53:20,100
the church.
Anyway, the Next Generation, if

1872
01:53:20,100 --> 01:53:23,900
we don't change its going to be
in the 90s, we've got to take

1873
01:53:23,900 --> 01:53:27,300
back our kids home, teach them
the truth.

1874
01:53:27,400 --> 01:53:33,000
Hold on a second 72%.
Are leaving the Elias church

1875
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:37,800
today. 72 percent of Millennials
are leaving all Christian

1876
01:53:37,800 --> 01:53:42,500
churches who because the
millennial generation has more

1877
01:53:42,500 --> 01:53:46,000
faith in science than they do in
the word of God.

1878
01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:51,200
Because we failed to tell them
the things they need to know the

1879
01:53:51,200 --> 01:53:54,800
truth of the word of God.
So instead of just talking about

1880
01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:59,400
we keep letting him go learn
about how cool science is but we

1881
01:53:59,400 --> 01:54:03,900
think that the Bible is myth,
And I'm just about finished with

1882
01:54:03,900 --> 01:54:07,300
a book, I wrote on water I'm
probably about maybe another two

1883
01:54:07,300 --> 01:54:10,800
weeks away and I'm going to try
to get it out and published it's

1884
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:15,100
going to be just a little.
My idea is to create bite-sized

1885
01:54:15,100 --> 01:54:19,300
readable stuff, you know, of 100
150 pages.

1886
01:54:19,600 --> 01:54:21,800
So you can kind of put it in
your pocket and read it as you

1887
01:54:21,800 --> 01:54:24,500
go.
But it's going to talk about how

1888
01:54:24,500 --> 01:54:28,500
water forms the most important
part of the earth, meaning the

1889
01:54:28,500 --> 01:54:31,800
creation, and how it's this
whole walk of water all the way

1890
01:54:31,800 --> 01:54:33,400
through.
All the major events that

1891
01:54:33,400 --> 01:54:38,400
happened, the creation, the
fall, the flood The Exodus, the

1892
01:54:38,400 --> 01:54:42,000
restoration of the Gospel
America coming to America water

1893
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:44,500
plays an integral role in all of
those things.

1894
01:54:45,700 --> 01:54:47,500
And so I can't wait to get that
done.

1895
01:54:47,500 --> 01:54:50,500
I want to share that information
so that our kids can go.

1896
01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:54,200
Oh my gosh.
This is true that look at all

1897
01:54:54,208 --> 01:54:56,700
these cool science that we can
do that.

1898
01:54:56,700 --> 01:55:01,600
We can look at, we can explain
and understand I'm excited to

1899
01:55:01,600 --> 01:55:03,800
get that out.
Yeah.

1900
01:55:04,300 --> 01:55:06,800
That's going to be do me a
favor.

1901
01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:09,200
When that book is out, give me a
call.

1902
01:55:09,200 --> 01:55:11,500
I want to have you back on to
talk about the book a little

1903
01:55:11,500 --> 01:55:13,800
bit.
Okay, good.

1904
01:55:13,800 --> 01:55:16,900
Because I would be be
fascinating hearing about that.

1905
01:55:18,500 --> 01:55:22,800
Real quick.
What do you think will be?

1906
01:55:24,700 --> 01:55:26,400
As you've seen people, teach
this now.

1907
01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:28,300
How long is the universal model
been out?

1908
01:55:28,300 --> 01:55:35,300
Russ, the book printing came out
and interesting date is the

1909
01:55:35,300 --> 01:55:37,600
first day, it was delivered to
the world.

1910
01:55:37,600 --> 01:55:45,100
Was April 6, 2017, and that was
literally, it came into my

1911
01:55:45,100 --> 01:55:48,700
warehouse, we loaded up, we quit
drove up to Salt Lake.

1912
01:55:48,900 --> 01:55:51,400
The first day of the conference
was April 6th.

1913
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:59,400
And so the universal model April
6, 2017, two years later in 2019

1914
01:55:59,400 --> 01:56:01,800
is when Vol 2 came out and
volume.

1915
01:56:01,800 --> 01:56:08,100
It's also the same time that the
first work book came out in 2019

1916
01:56:08,100 --> 01:56:11,900
and then actually write the
beginning of 2020 is when the

1917
01:56:12,500 --> 01:56:17,700
second work booking um Volume 2.
So our homeschool curriculum

1918
01:56:17,700 --> 01:56:22,300
based on the um as actually that
we've started making Get public,

1919
01:56:22,300 --> 01:56:26,200
just poets your since 2020.
Okay, beginning of 2020.

1920
01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:31,900
So we add look what kind of
feedback you hearing from people

1921
01:56:31,900 --> 01:56:35,800
who are using it?
Most of the time it's it goes

1922
01:56:35,800 --> 01:56:39,100
something like this.
You get a call, they're really

1923
01:56:39,100 --> 01:56:40,300
excited.
They pick it up.

1924
01:56:40,300 --> 01:56:43,600
They go home.
They call back a few weeks later

1925
01:56:43,600 --> 01:56:46,300
and talk about and say, okay,
this is different than I ever

1926
01:56:46,300 --> 01:56:47,800
expected.
I was thinking you're just going

1927
01:56:47,800 --> 01:56:52,300
to go, you know, just like a
normal work book, but What we

1928
01:56:52,300 --> 01:56:56,600
found is that it has created
opportunities of conversation on

1929
01:56:56,600 --> 01:57:00,700
our whole family, we talk about
things and I've noticed this one

1930
01:57:00,700 --> 01:57:02,600
actually gal called us just a
couple weeks ago.

1931
01:57:02,600 --> 01:57:06,700
She said I was used to immediate
gratification where I would take

1932
01:57:06,700 --> 01:57:09,400
those pages I would grade them
and the kids and get their grade

1933
01:57:09,400 --> 01:57:12,200
right away.
This doesn't do that.

1934
01:57:12,200 --> 01:57:15,900
This focus is on the long haul,
this actually goes through the

1935
01:57:15,900 --> 01:57:19,500
process of you're doing these
things that you're going to see

1936
01:57:19,500 --> 01:57:21,600
the reward at the end of the
semester rather.

1937
01:57:21,700 --> 01:57:24,300
Rather than just this week,
right?

1938
01:57:24,300 --> 01:57:28,000
So those are two things that we
found that our positive is that

1939
01:57:28,200 --> 01:57:31,900
it's causing conversation.
It's bringing people together.

1940
01:57:32,500 --> 01:57:35,300
We know a lot of people don't do
the whole book, they do some and

1941
01:57:35,300 --> 01:57:37,000
then they don't do other.
Some people don't do the

1942
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:42,200
project, some people do, but
it's creating conversation and

1943
01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:44,200
almost everybody that's engaged
in.

1944
01:57:44,200 --> 01:57:47,400
It has said, whatever it is.
We're doing the next one too.

1945
01:57:48,600 --> 01:57:51,500
Because it's so different.
It's different than any other

1946
01:57:52,100 --> 01:57:55,300
workbook because it's not just a
fill in the blank.

1947
01:57:55,300 --> 01:57:58,200
It is truly.
It's both sides teaching how to

1948
01:57:58,200 --> 01:58:00,400
think and it's engaging
families.

1949
01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:04,900
So, do you guys have any plans
to keep this updated?

1950
01:58:04,900 --> 01:58:07,000
Right.
I mean, as new things come

1951
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:10,000
along, or you guys.
Discover something else, is that

1952
01:58:10,008 --> 01:58:14,700
part of the part of the plan?
Are you talking about Universal

1953
01:58:14,700 --> 01:58:20,100
model or the workbooks both?
Well, our workbooks work on.

1954
01:58:20,100 --> 01:58:24,500
We actually have an English
workbook that's getting close.

1955
01:58:24,500 --> 01:58:28,000
That's going to be based on our
English is based on the standard

1956
01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:30,200
work.
So this one will be on the new

1957
01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:34,200
Matt, it'll be based on the
inspired version of the New

1958
01:58:34,200 --> 01:58:37,300
Testament, to all the English,
and because it's New Testament,

1959
01:58:37,300 --> 01:58:40,900
it will have Greek and Latin
root words and discussions

1960
01:58:40,900 --> 01:58:44,400
because during the New Testament
times English and Latin where

1961
01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:48,100
the common languages of the
time, the Old Testament, one

1962
01:58:48,100 --> 01:58:52,100
will deal with ancient Hebrew
and other Sumerian type older

1963
01:58:52,100 --> 01:58:56,200
languages and then in the Book
of Mormon will deal with Old

1964
01:58:56,200 --> 01:59:01,600
English and the kind of language
is that would have Potentially

1965
01:59:01,600 --> 01:59:05,100
affected the Nephites and where
the Nephites might have gone

1966
01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:10,100
and, you know, and we will have
a discussion about Nephites and

1967
01:59:10,100 --> 01:59:12,300
where they went.
So in other words, its history,

1968
01:59:12,600 --> 01:59:16,100
its science, its English, it's
all of that brought together

1969
01:59:16,500 --> 01:59:21,900
under one, one thing, but it'll
be English, and then Heidi's

1970
01:59:21,900 --> 01:59:25,500
also getting close on a history
book, American history.

1971
01:59:26,200 --> 01:59:28,200
So that's where I was going
next.

1972
01:59:28,200 --> 01:59:32,000
If you guys did anything like
Civics, right?

1973
01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:39,400
One of the things I feel like
especially Guys, who are like my

1974
01:59:39,400 --> 01:59:44,600
oldest son's age mid-20s?
I know.

1975
01:59:44,600 --> 01:59:47,900
See they weren't taking Civics
anymore, right?

1976
01:59:47,900 --> 01:59:50,400
How government is supposed to
operate.

1977
01:59:50,800 --> 01:59:53,200
What the design was.
You guys have stuff in there on

1978
01:59:53,200 --> 01:59:56,500
that?
Well, we actually part of our

1979
01:59:56,500 --> 01:59:58,700
homeschool is every election
year.

1980
01:59:59,400 --> 02:00:02,800
We had a kind of a module where,
for the first half of the year

1981
02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:06,600
was focused entirely on
government in the process of

1982
02:00:06,600 --> 02:00:08,300
government.
And part of other requirement,

1983
02:00:08,300 --> 02:00:11,200
is our kids had to go find
somebody who has both Democrat

1984
02:00:11,800 --> 02:00:15,400
and Republican interview them.
And defend both sides.

1985
02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:19,300
And so that was something that
they did.

1986
02:00:20,400 --> 02:00:24,700
But after Trump, and after the
way, things changed with the

1987
02:00:24,700 --> 02:00:28,100
election with Clinton, I mean
Clinton, but Biden.

1988
02:00:29,800 --> 02:00:33,800
Something shifted, and I think a
lot of people kind of felt that

1989
02:00:33,800 --> 02:00:37,000
shift.
And I'm not really sure.

1990
02:00:39,100 --> 02:00:42,300
We just kind of felt like it's
not time to teach government

1991
02:00:42,300 --> 02:00:44,800
anymore because the kind of
things that are going on are no

1992
02:00:44,800 --> 02:00:49,200
longer government.
Spaghetti and robbers have taken

1993
02:00:49,200 --> 02:00:53,400
over, so maybe that will come
back up.

1994
02:00:54,100 --> 02:00:57,300
But we've decided to put that
far enough down the list, that

1995
02:00:57,300 --> 02:00:58,800
it's not even on the radar right
now.

1996
02:00:59,200 --> 02:01:02,100
Got you, we want to focus on
English and history.

1997
02:01:03,600 --> 02:01:06,600
And then we're also creating
these little bite-sized books

1998
02:01:06,600 --> 02:01:12,700
are Pocket Guide Series where we
can kind of put information out

1999
02:01:12,700 --> 02:01:17,300
on quick read stuff things that
are They're pretty plain in the

2000
02:01:17,300 --> 02:01:18,900
scriptures.
Once you read them, you can't

2001
02:01:18,900 --> 02:01:23,000
unsee them right.
But so few people see them like

2002
02:01:23,000 --> 02:01:25,800
understanding the nature of
water and how important it is

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02:01:25,800 --> 02:01:27,800
when the earth is created in
water.

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02:01:27,800 --> 02:01:30,600
And how do we know that the
Rocks actually testifying that?

2005
02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:33,600
You can take your kids out, you
can do an experiment, show them

2006
02:01:33,600 --> 02:01:37,700
how water is in rocks and right
there in Orem, I can tell you,

2007
02:01:37,700 --> 02:01:41,400
go leeside, go pick some
Mountain rocks, up from some

2008
02:01:41,400 --> 02:01:45,700
granite rocks, or some and do an
experiment, and I and you Apply.

2009
02:01:45,700 --> 02:01:48,300
Now, there's water in that rock.
You can test it.

2010
02:01:48,300 --> 02:01:51,900
You can you might not be able to
collect it, but you can test it.

2011
02:01:52,500 --> 02:01:56,200
And if you can get kids to think
that way, that's the kind of

2012
02:01:56,200 --> 02:02:00,100
science that's going to unlock
water in rock.

2013
02:02:00,600 --> 02:02:04,700
Got you now, we know Waters in
rock when Moses had two

2014
02:02:04,700 --> 02:02:08,700
experiences when he was on The
Exodus about the first one was

2015
02:02:08,700 --> 02:02:12,900
at Horeb when he stood on the
Rock and struck the Rock and

2016
02:02:12,900 --> 02:02:16,300
water flowed out, right?
Well there was another place to

2017
02:02:16,300 --> 02:02:20,300
he actually twice struck w.
A rock and water came out.

2018
02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:26,100
So what?
Let me ask you this what what's

2019
02:02:26,100 --> 02:02:29,800
the plan for the universal
model?

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02:02:29,800 --> 02:02:31,800
Say 10 or 20 years down the
road?

2021
02:02:31,800 --> 02:02:35,000
Do you foresee many changes
happening to it?

2022
02:02:36,600 --> 02:02:41,500
What's something you guys are
looking at or you feel like, you

2023
02:02:41,500 --> 02:02:44,300
know what we're done?
Because it's no, no actually

2024
02:02:44,500 --> 02:02:47,400
worked on this actually over.
Yeah.

2025
02:02:47,400 --> 02:02:50,100
Volume 3 has not been published
yet.

2026
02:02:50,100 --> 02:02:53,600
It's probably about half done.
Dean's been working on getting

2027
02:02:53,600 --> 02:02:56,500
his barn, built back up, so we
can get back into doing some

2028
02:02:56,500 --> 02:02:59,400
experimentation.
Hopefully that's going to happen

2029
02:02:59,400 --> 02:03:02,000
here, pretty soon.
So he can get back in.

2030
02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:04,500
We can get volume 3 published
because that has a lot of

2031
02:03:05,400 --> 02:03:08,100
physics in it.
Things about weight length time,

2032
02:03:09,100 --> 02:03:13,400
light star star light on
cosmology doesn't, there's a

2033
02:03:13,600 --> 02:03:16,300
like, amazing things that are
coming.

2034
02:03:17,200 --> 02:03:20,400
That are going to blow the doors
off the physics side of the

2035
02:03:20,407 --> 02:03:23,600
world.
And of thinking, I'm pretty

2036
02:03:23,600 --> 02:03:26,200
excited because I've seen some
of the stuff I've been involved

2037
02:03:26,200 --> 02:03:29,900
in some of the experiments, it's
just fantastic stuff.

2038
02:03:32,400 --> 02:03:35,900
And how are you?
And maybe it's too soon to ask

2039
02:03:35,900 --> 02:03:40,700
this question because it's only
only really been out what five

2040
02:03:40,700 --> 02:03:44,000
maybe six years now.
But do we have any feedback on

2041
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:47,400
how kids are doing?
Once they go into higher

2042
02:03:47,400 --> 02:03:50,600
education, like college, or
whatever, after having exposure,

2043
02:03:50,600 --> 02:03:56,100
to the universal model, The only
exposure I've had the vadas but

2044
02:03:56,100 --> 02:04:00,400
along the way I would go teach a
local private school here once a

2045
02:04:00,407 --> 02:04:03,900
year.
Just give a kind of an overview

2046
02:04:03,900 --> 02:04:07,500
of what the universal model is.
I've had kids that have gone on

2047
02:04:07,500 --> 02:04:10,500
and they've gone in this college
and called back, and that one

2048
02:04:10,500 --> 02:04:14,500
single presentation intrigued
them so much that they reached

2049
02:04:14,500 --> 02:04:16,700
out to find out if the book had
even been printed because they

2050
02:04:16,700 --> 02:04:21,400
wanted to get the book.
And so, but whether or not

2051
02:04:21,400 --> 02:04:25,800
that's helped somebody that's in
college, I don't know.

2052
02:04:25,800 --> 02:04:28,700
There's a lot of people, a lot
of younger people that have

2053
02:04:28,700 --> 02:04:33,000
stood up and and said we're not
going to go down the road of

2054
02:04:33,000 --> 02:04:35,900
evolution and billions of years
old Earth and part of those have

2055
02:04:35,900 --> 02:04:39,900
been because the UN has given
him that Foundation, there are

2056
02:04:39,900 --> 02:04:43,600
some of those, I don't know that
they've taken the um into

2057
02:04:43,600 --> 02:04:45,600
college.
There is one college that uses

2058
02:04:45,600 --> 02:04:48,300
at Monticello College by Shannon
Brooks.

2059
02:04:48,500 --> 02:04:52,800
Their primary campuses in
Monticello Utah, but they are

2060
02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:58,500
opening one up in, in Idaho and
it's one of their required

2061
02:04:58,500 --> 02:05:06,300
readings is the universal model.
Wow, little by little, And have

2062
02:05:06,300 --> 02:05:09,700
you see you said you've given
presentation at private schools

2063
02:05:09,700 --> 02:05:11,400
on this.
Do you know of any private

2064
02:05:11,400 --> 02:05:13,900
schools are using the universal
model?

2065
02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:17,400
Yeah there's a there are a few
that use that as a supplemental

2066
02:05:17,400 --> 02:05:21,700
curriculum for sure and Montana
Idaho.

2067
02:05:22,700 --> 02:05:25,600
So they are there some using
that.

2068
02:05:26,400 --> 02:05:33,400
Okay, so when in these are just
questions, I have from the crap

2069
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:35,400
practical standpoint.
Point.

2070
02:05:35,400 --> 02:05:41,400
So when your child's done with
their K through 12 education,

2071
02:05:41,400 --> 02:05:46,200
then is this going to satisfy
most state requirements for a

2072
02:05:46,200 --> 02:05:49,600
diploma?
Well, that's why we think of it

2073
02:05:49,600 --> 02:05:52,700
as kind as a supplemental
because it doesn't have all the

2074
02:05:52,700 --> 02:05:55,300
pieces that you need to have a
full-grown, okay?

2075
02:05:55,400 --> 02:05:57,300
A curriculum, like doesn't have
math.

2076
02:05:58,300 --> 02:06:01,800
So, you know, and so it's not
been a fully accredited system.

2077
02:06:02,400 --> 02:06:05,100
But what we have done with a lot
of the people that are

2078
02:06:05,300 --> 02:06:09,300
Homeschool anyway, is that if
they need some kind of a

2079
02:06:09,308 --> 02:06:12,900
document, a lot of states don't
require that, but if they need

2080
02:06:12,900 --> 02:06:14,900
something, then you can go
online.

2081
02:06:15,200 --> 02:06:18,000
And there are ways that you can
do certain things.

2082
02:06:18,000 --> 02:06:25,000
Like one of my kids graduated
last year and she needed a

2083
02:06:25,000 --> 02:06:29,000
diploma so that she could get
into an advanced program.

2084
02:06:29,000 --> 02:06:32,400
She wants to be a midwife which
means she has to become a nurse.

2085
02:06:33,100 --> 02:06:35,100
And so she had to have a
diploma.

2086
02:06:35,200 --> 02:06:37,400
Emma to be able to get into the
nursing program.

2087
02:06:38,100 --> 02:06:40,700
And so she went online and it
took her about six months to go

2088
02:06:40,700 --> 02:06:45,400
through the entire the entire
thing class load to get her

2089
02:06:45,400 --> 02:06:47,900
diploma 6 months for the whole
High School.

2090
02:06:49,100 --> 02:06:53,000
Wow.
The so it's there's a lot of

2091
02:06:53,000 --> 02:06:55,700
there's ways around for sure.
You have to be creative but

2092
02:06:56,300 --> 02:06:58,800
there's ways.
That's awesome.

2093
02:07:01,100 --> 02:07:02,900
All right.
Well, Russ is there anything?

2094
02:07:02,900 --> 02:07:04,700
We didn't cover that you want to
get to?

2095
02:07:05,900 --> 02:07:08,700
Yeah, I just would ask people to
reach out.

2096
02:07:08,700 --> 02:07:11,100
They have questions, reach out
to us at true Seekers

2097
02:07:11,100 --> 02:07:14,300
Foundation.
You can call me on my cell if

2098
02:07:14,300 --> 02:07:16,200
you want.
I'll be glad to talk to anybody

2099
02:07:16,200 --> 02:07:23,900
that number 702 492 hundred, and
if you want go to our website

2100
02:07:23,900 --> 02:07:26,800
through Seekers Foundation sign
up for our email so that we can

2101
02:07:26,800 --> 02:07:30,500
send out when we get the new
books out or when we have this

2102
02:07:30,500 --> 02:07:32,400
information.
Nation that we can share it.

2103
02:07:32,700 --> 02:07:35,600
Just engage whatever you do.
Take back your kids.

2104
02:07:36,200 --> 02:07:38,700
Absolutely.
Absolutely.

2105
02:07:38,700 --> 02:07:42,700
I like I said, I feel like we're
entering a time now rests where

2106
02:07:44,400 --> 02:07:50,300
as I don't know, maybe the best
word is traditional Americans,

2107
02:07:50,300 --> 02:07:54,100
right?
Traditional members of the LDS

2108
02:07:54,100 --> 02:07:56,500
church or fundamentalist whoever
you are.

2109
02:07:57,000 --> 02:07:59,600
I think we're at a point now to
where we're going to have to

2110
02:07:59,608 --> 02:08:02,500
start thinking outside the box
when it comes to things like

2111
02:08:02,500 --> 02:08:06,800
education.
Even maybe it was like college

2112
02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:09,000
and commerce, we're going to
have to start getting a little

2113
02:08:09,000 --> 02:08:13,100
more resourceful on how we get
these things done.

2114
02:08:13,100 --> 02:08:18,400
Because if we leave it up to the
current structure that exists as

2115
02:08:18,400 --> 02:08:24,800
is, they will produce a child
that It's so unlike their

2116
02:08:24,800 --> 02:08:29,500
parents.
That it's horrifying, it's

2117
02:08:29,500 --> 02:08:31,700
horrifying.
What?

2118
02:08:31,700 --> 02:08:33,800
We need to recognize who the
real enemy is.

2119
02:08:33,800 --> 02:08:36,800
It's not somebody that thinks a
little bit different doctrinally

2120
02:08:36,800 --> 02:08:39,700
than us.
It's not some different sect or,

2121
02:08:39,700 --> 02:08:43,700
you know, some Christian that's
not in our same camp, that's not

2122
02:08:43,700 --> 02:08:46,600
the enemy.
The enemy is the one who's

2123
02:08:46,600 --> 02:08:48,300
trying to take all of our
children.

2124
02:08:48,600 --> 02:08:51,400
Yep, yep.
Absolutely.

2125
02:08:52,000 --> 02:08:57,200
Absolutely.
And, and the reason I feel like

2126
02:08:57,200 --> 02:09:00,900
your voice is so important on
this and I know you said you're

2127
02:09:00,900 --> 02:09:05,300
just one of many, but I do think
it's important is that you've at

2128
02:09:05,300 --> 02:09:15,100
least given people a path to the
Lifeboat so to speak because I

2129
02:09:15,100 --> 02:09:20,700
just I think of the the normal
The normal parent and it's just,

2130
02:09:20,700 --> 02:09:24,700
you know, it's tough, right?
You got to balance work and and

2131
02:09:24,700 --> 02:09:26,800
stuff and now you're going to
talk about education.

2132
02:09:26,800 --> 02:09:29,900
And I like what you said
earlier, we're going to have to

2133
02:09:29,900 --> 02:09:32,700
start putting first things
first, right?

2134
02:09:32,700 --> 02:09:37,300
Start prioritizing really
heavily because I think we're in

2135
02:09:37,300 --> 02:09:42,000
a time where it calls for it.
So, Right.

2136
02:09:42,500 --> 02:09:45,200
But dude, well, David's been a
blast.

2137
02:09:45,200 --> 02:09:48,000
You know, how are you?
I always love talking to you,

2138
02:09:48,000 --> 02:09:49,300
man.
It's so great.

2139
02:09:49,300 --> 02:09:53,200
And, and the more I see of this,
the just, the more fired up, I

2140
02:09:53,200 --> 02:09:57,000
get and I haven't told my kids
this yet, but I think I know

2141
02:09:57,000 --> 02:09:59,200
what I'm getting them for
Christmas next year.

2142
02:09:59,600 --> 02:10:03,200
Even an early Christmas present.
I think they're going to get get

2143
02:10:03,200 --> 02:10:06,400
this and all I'm sure.
They'll be calling you like,

2144
02:10:06,400 --> 02:10:09,400
hey, my, my old man whose nuts
told me to give you a call.

2145
02:10:09,400 --> 02:10:10,300
Arrest.
What's this?

2146
02:10:10,900 --> 02:10:15,600
What, Certainly can.
But anyway, dude, it's always

2147
02:10:15,600 --> 02:10:17,100
awesome.
I love it.

2148
02:10:17,200 --> 02:10:18,900
Let's do this again sooner than
later.

2149
02:10:18,900 --> 02:10:21,800
All right, yep.
Well do awesome.

2150
02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:24,100
Great for us.
Thanks man.

2151
02:10:24,100 --> 02:10:31,100
I appreciate your time.
Oh, thank you.

2152
02:10:31,300 --> 02:10:47,400
All right by everybody
here.

2153
02:10:47,400 --> 02:10:50,300
Listening to the Mormon Renegade
podcast.

2154
02:10:30,300 --> 02:10:32,500
Oh, thank you.
All right by everybody

2155
02:10:47,100 --> 02:10:49,200
here.
Listening to the Mormon Renegade

2156
02:10:49,200 --> 02:10:50,300
podcast.