Episode #224: The Armour Of God Series PT 6- The Sword Of The Spirit W/Ammon Jeffs

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Hammond, what's going on, man?
Hey just been staying busy and

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healthy and happy and grateful
that the Lord's blessed our

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little one with help.
Yeah, I am so glad she came

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through that.
All right, brother, we were, we

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were definitely pulling for you
and praying for you every bit we

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could to, to, to try to have
that kind of outcome.

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And I'm sure glad it did.
Yeah, we're so thankful for

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everyone's prayers.
We felt that and watched her

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become a miracle.
No, that's, that's great.

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I am so, so happy for you guys.
So, man, it's, you know, it's

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amazing what what a group of
people can do when they just

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petition God, right?
And there's something about

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praying with others, even though
even if it's thousands of miles

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apart, that I think really has
an impact that I'm not sure we

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even understand how it works or
just how much of an impact it

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can all have.
Ammon.

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Right.
Well, I sure believe that.

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So, but anyway, we're moving on,
man, your, your, your second

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time around on the podcast.
I'm super excited for it.

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We're finishing up the the Armor
of God series and you're going

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to be talking about the, the,
the sword of the spirit, which

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is the word of God.
So man, I'm super excited for

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this one.
Well, I'm glad to be here and

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hope everyone can bear with me
as I learn alongside you.

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Oh, I think, look, I'm going to
be honest with you.

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I make all these a matter of
prayer before I ever ask anyone

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to come on or anything.
And I, I am almost positive am

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in that, that you're going to,
you're going to say something

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that's going to stick with
everybody.

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So man, let's, let's jump in.
I'm excited.

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OK, well we'll I'll start with
the verse in Ephesians where we

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first hear this, far as I know
in the Scripture.

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So it says Ephesians 6 verse 17
and take the helmet of salvation

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and the sword of the Spirit,
which is the word of God.

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So it tells us right off what
the sword of the Spirit is.

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And we find it again in section
27 verse 18.

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I'll open to that.
And in this revelation to the

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Prophet Joseph, he says just a
little more than you read in

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Ephesians 6.
So section 27, verse 18, He

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says, and take the helmet of
salvation and the sword of my

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spirit, which I will pour out
upon you, and my word, which I

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reveal unto you, and be agreed
as touching all things

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whatsoever you ask of me.
So, so he says a little more

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than just the sword of my
spirit, which is my word, He.

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Sure did.
Let let's read that again just

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to be sure and repeat where
that's at because I I think

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that's super important.
I'm glad you picked up on that.

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So so Doctrine and Covenants 27
verse 18.

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And he says, Take the helmet of
salvation, and the sword of my

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spirit, which I will pour out
upon you, and my word, which I

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reveal unto you, and be agreed
as touching all things

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whatsoever you ask of me.
So.

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And there he makes a little more
of a distinction than just

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saying, The sword of the spirit
is my word.

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He says The sword of my spirit,
which I will pour out upon you,

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talking or referencing the
spirit and His word, which He

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will reveal unto you.
Right, right.

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So it like, correct me if I'm
wrong it and and again, I'm

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really glad you picked up on
that because I kind of looked at

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that, compared the two.
The thing that really stood out

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to me was how it seems to be
talking both about the Canon of

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scripture as we now have it, as
well as additional things that

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the Lord will reveal to us,
right.

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That's part of his word as well.
And I think that is so important

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because it really does separate
Mormonism from from like some of

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our sectarian brothers and
sisters and how they they view

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the gospel.
Correct.

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And, and that's what I'd like to
talk about is what is the word

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of God, especially in Mormonism,
what do we reference when we're

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when we say the word of God?
Because it is in the sword of

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the Spirit, it's obviously a
defensive as well as an

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offensive weapon.
Defensive in protecting you from

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temptation, offensive in being
able to move forward in your

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life, being able to conquer
evil, and so forth.

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And so how do you use the Word
of God?

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And what is the Word of God is
what really becomes the question

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in when we reference the sword
of the Spirit.

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Right.
So if you'll bear with me, I'll

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go through different verses in
the Book of Mormon, but we

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discussed this.
We go to the vision.

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Nephi and his father Lehi both
had Lehi 1st and then Nephi when

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he sought to understand what his
father saw.

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And he discovers that the tree
of life represents the love of

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God, and which Meroni and Mormon
referred to as charity, and the

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something that is the most to be
desired above all other things,

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this love of God.
But on the journey to partake of

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the love of God, Nephi sees this
narrow path they must walk.

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And many people started in that
path and then they would get

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distracted or in the mists of
darkness come along and they'd

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lose their way.
But along that path was a rod of

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iron.
And he says in first Nephi 11

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verse 25 And it came to pass
that I beheld the rod of iron

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which my father had seen was the
word of God which led to the

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fountain of living waters or to
the tree of life, which waters

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are a representation of the love
of God.

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And I also beheld that the tree
of life was a representation of

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the love of God.
Pardon me.

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So there we see the iron rod is
the word of God.

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So this sort of the spirit the
word of God represented.

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And here is an iron rod or a
key, a guide to the love of God,

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the fruit of the tree of life.
And you can look at the

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scripture, you can read the
Bible, you can read the Book of

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Mormon, the Doctrine and
Covenants and say, well, that's

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the word of God.
And I believe that would be a

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correct answer in part, that the
scriptures could consider the

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word of God.
But there's plenty of people

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that just take the scriptures
for their guide and they still

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don't attain to that fruit of
the tree of life, the love of

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God, that gift perfected in
them, that Christ like love.

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And so there's something more
than that because you see, even

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in Mormonism, people's
interpretation of the scriptures

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are different and people are
going to go on in different

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paths.
So I believe as it references

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the in the Doctrine and
Covenants, the sword of His

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Spirit which He will put out
upon you, refers to the gift of

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personal revelation, to be the
guide, the Word of God directly

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to you from Him untainted,
nothing coming between you and

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God as that guide to the fruit
of the tree of life, as that

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protection and temptation as
your sword. 100% Can I just, can

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I just pop in here real quick?
Ammon, I, I think, I, I think

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you are 100% right.
If we look at a couple different

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verses in the Bible, 1 is in
John where, where Jesus is

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talking to the, talking to his
disciples and he asks them who I

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am.
You know, who, who, who do

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people say that I am?
And they're like, well, some say

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you're John the Baptist, other
Elias.

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And then he asked again, he
said, no, who do you say that I

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am?
And Peter answers and said, you

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art the Christ, the Son of the
living God.

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And he says, blessed art thou,
Simon Barjona, because flesh and

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blood have not revealed this to
you, but your Father, which is

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in heaven.
And upon this rock shall I build

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my church.
Now there's a couple of

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interesting things with that
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First, we often think that what
the Savior is saying there is

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that he's going to build his
church on Peter right off of

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Peter's labor, right?
And that's not 100% untrue,

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right?
We do know that Peter retains

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his his standing as chief
apostle and he does do a lot of

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good work.
But I don't think that that's

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the only thing the Savior saying
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I think what the Savior's
actually saying is that that

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message that Simon got, that
Peter got was from God.

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That was revelation.
And then he said, he doesn't say

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and upon you, Peter, he says
upon this rock.

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Now I do believe there's a play
on words there, but I think the

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Savior saying is this is going
to be built on revelation,

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right?
My kingdom's going to be built

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on revelation.
And then we have a second

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witness of this in the Doctrine
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I can't remember where it's at,
but we have the Lord that tells

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Joseph Smith what scripture is.
And this is where Mormonism gets

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really unique from other
Christian denominations is

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because scripture is anything
according to the Doctrine and

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covenants that proceeds from the
mouth of the servants of God

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while under the direction of the
Holy Ghost.

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And so that should really open
up our minds into how to obtain

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his word, right?
I think, I think not only is it

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the the the standard works that
we carry to church each day

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Sunday or what we have on our
phone, that's a Canon of

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scripture.
That's not all the scripture.

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I think we can look at the
teachings of the Prophet Joseph

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Smith.
I've got no problems calling

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that scripture, right.
A lot of the things that we can

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find in the Journal of
Discourses, I think we have so

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much more scripture available to
us.

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And likewise, I think we we
really do need that gift of

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revelation to really get the
word of God.

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I love where you're going here.
Right, exactly.

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And I, I believe that wasn't a
revelation to Orson Hyde when he

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was calling him to preach the
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What you were just referenced.
And the amazing thing is in the

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Doctrine of Covenants, the Lord
also reveals that every person

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born into the world has that
gift already placed within them,

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the light of Christ in their
heart and mind, the difference

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between good and evil.
And I believe he spelled that

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out on section 84, that verse
that says that the Spirit giveth

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light to every man that cometh
into the world and enlighteneth

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every man through the world, the
hearkeneth of the voice of the

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Spirit, and that brings us to
God.

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So that's something you find
more.

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And Mormonism also, that idea
that every person born is given

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a gift and all good from evil,
the gift of conscience we could

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call it too, absolutely.
And then that light, as it has

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learned and followed, that leads
you to the gospel, that leads

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you to the gifts of the Spirit
of God, not ultimate ultimately

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to be like God. 100% So let me
ask you this question, Adam.

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We've kind of defined here what
what the word of God is going to

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be from a Mormon context, right?
It is the Canon of scripture we

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got.
It's anything that proceeds from

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the mouth of the servants of
God.

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I do believe that we can receive
kind of personal scripture from

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the Lord, right?
Messages on what to do.

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But how do we, how do we make
the most out of the Canon of

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Scripture we have?
And then how do we go about

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attaining to that, that, that
revelation that we need?

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That's the word of God as well.
What do we got to do there to do

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that?
How do we get the most out of

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the scriptures that we do have?
So I believe first, when you

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read the scriptures, it's with a
prayerful heart to be guided.

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What do you need in this moment
from that scripture as a guide

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and or where to go on the
scripture to receive guidance of

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what you need in this moment.
I believe the two work together.

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You, you take one without the
other and you're missing

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something.
But I think they work hand in

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hand as a guide to individual
people.

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And you know, you read the Book
of Mormon or any other scripture

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at one time, and one scripture
will come to you in a in a

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different light than you ever
saw it before based upon your

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needs.
And I think that that also is

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the Spirit guiding you to see
the things you need to

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understand and know as you read.
100% that is such a great point.

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You know, everything we do in
Mormonism, I do believe requires

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a certain level of revelation
for the most part, right?

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Anytime you're dealing with this
spiritual things, I think we

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definitely need that and to to
kind of go along with with that.

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There's a quote and I can't
remember who who quoted it.

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It was an early church leader,
if I'm not mistaken.

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But they said the revelation was
received by endowment by excuse

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me, the endowment was received
by revelation.

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Excuse me.
And to in order to understand

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the endowment, you need
Revelation as well.

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And I, I can't agree with you
more that the word of God that

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we get through revelation and
the Scriptures is a pretty rock

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solid weapon, if you will, in
this armor.

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But revelation is tricky, right?
It's, you know, sometimes

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revelation comes to us when we
don't do anything at all.

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And usually that happens when
the Lord needs us to really do

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something, right?
These are usually emergency kind

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of situations, but most of the
time we've got to do some work

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to get into that frame of mind
to where we can receive that

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message that that God has for
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So, Ammon, in your mind, how do
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position possible so that we can
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the Lord that that's found only
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Oh, I believe that the Spirit of
God is very sensitive to our

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condition, and if we want to
reach and receive what God wants

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us to do in this moment for His
guidance in their life, He

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requires that we be in tune by
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So you start in the early phases
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conscience, which defines right
and wrong, and as you learn it

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and obtain the gift of the Holy
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Spirit become stronger.
It requires an obedience to that

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voice to be able to continue to
receive guidance from that

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voice, the voice of the Spirit
of God, And also fair, because

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if you're not in tune with that
voice, you won't hear it unless

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God really needs to get through
to you about something. 100% Oh,

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I think you're, you're spot on.
I've always said expecting to go

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into life and expecting to be in
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the time and not doing any
preparation would be a lot like

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going out and trying to put win
a football game and not

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understanding the playbook,
right?

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It, you're going to end up doing
a lot of silly things along the

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way, right?
You're going to you're going to

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stumble, you're going to you're
going to turn the ball over.

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You're going to do all sorts of
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counterproductive unless you
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And I think half of our job
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Look, when we boil everything
down, Ammon, do we know who wins

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in the end of all this?
Yeah, God wins, right?

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God, God, God and his Saints
win.

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So we that's not in question,
right?

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What is in question is are we
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right?
That's, that's our job is to to

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figure out if, if we want to be
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And then if we do what it is, we
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And in order to contribute, that
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takes some of that Word of God
that that's going to come to you

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individually.
And you have to be able to put

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yourself into such a place that
you can receive revelation

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anytime you need it.
And look, just for

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clarification, I think anybody
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I'm not that guy.
I'm not saying I got that

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figured out by any stretch of
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I look at Peter and he gives me
hope because every once in a

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while I find myself say now
church going, I am not going to

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mess up today.
And then I make it exactly 22

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minutes and I've already messed
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And so this is a, a work that
that like any sort of thing that

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you got to get good at, you're
going to have to do some

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practice with it, right?
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Oh, certainly.
I'm somebody that has a lot, a

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lot to learn on this.
And I'm really grateful that

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this is the subject you asked me
to discuss because this gets me

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deep diving deep into this.
And I believe this is one of the

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most important subjects in the
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It, it is.
And, and because, as you said,

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the sense, the, the spirit is
very sensitive to who we are,

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right?
And if we're not where, where we

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should be, if we're not doing
what we should be, sometimes

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that spirit leaves, right?
It's, it's not going to like,

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like I've always said this,
sometimes you, you in life,

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you've got to go into some
horrible places for whatever

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reason.
That's just part of life.

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You can still have the spirit
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Now, if you're going to the
horrible place for enjoyment,

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well, I think you can bank on
that spirit not hanging around

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too terribly long.
You're going to.

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You know, it's, it's one thing
if you're, if you're going into

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a bar to rescue somebody, it's
another thing if you're going in

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just to start throwing a ton
back and get inebriated, right?

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Like there's a huge difference
in your intent.

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So I, I, I couldn't agree with
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It's going to take practice.
And I've said this too,

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revelation usually comes by the
spirit, right?

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Very rarely do we see the kind
of Joseph Smith first vision

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kind of things.
It's not unheard of, but it's

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rare.
Often it, it usually comes in a

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that still small voice.
And so we need to it.

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It's almost like I remember when
I became a Mormon, it was like

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learning to speak a different
language.

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And we got to we, we got to
really get familiar with that

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language so we could be fluent
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Right.
And I think a really good place

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that points this out, a place to
start is described in Moroni 7,

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where Moroni discusses or Mormon
discusses how you know what

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comes from God.
So if he starts here, verse 12

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and we'll we can just read and
discuss this as we go.

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Wherefore all things which are
good cometh of God, that which

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is evil cometh of the devil.
For the devil is an enemy unto

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God, and fighteth against him
continually, and invite us, and

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enticeeth to sin, and to do that
which is evil continually.

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But behold, that which is of God
invite us, and enticeeth to do

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good continually.
Wherefore everything which

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inviteeth and entice to do good,
and to love God, and to serve

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him, is inspired of God.
So he directly makes that

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connection there.
If it invites and entices you to

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God, to serve God, to love God,
it is inspired of Him.

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It's not going to be from the
other source.

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Good point.
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So basically, if it's probably a
good rule of thumb, right, if

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you were receiving messages that
said you should just walk up and

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throat punch somebody, you might
want to rethink that one.

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Right, That one.
'S definitely not that one's.

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Definitely not coming from the
right source.

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So you want stuff that's going
to attract you to try to be

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better, right?
Kind of inspire you even a

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little bit.
Yeah, and I'll continue.

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Wherefore take heed, my beloved
brother, and that you do not

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judge that which is evil to be
of God, or that which is of good

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and of God to be of the devil.
Or behold, my brother, and it

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was given unto you to judge that
you may know good from evil.

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And the way to judge is as plain
that you may know with the

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perfect knowledge as the
daylight is from The Dark

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Knight.
So he he basically covered the

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same ground.
You just said don't judge

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something that is evil and say
it's coming from God or

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something coming from God and
saying it's from the devil.

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Can we can we discuss that for
just a few more minutes, Salmon?

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Yes.
I think we live in a day today,

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in a day and age now where
that's exactly what we're seeing

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where people are calling what is
evil good and what is good evil.

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It's it's absolutely been been
flipped on his head.

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And so my question is, how do
people get to that point?

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Right?
And the reason I want to talk

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about this is that this is
really kind of, I, I won't say

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complex, but it's definitely
wrought with some, or fraught

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with some, some pitfalls and
some, some traps.

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But in Mormonism, when we're
first learning about the gospel,

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typically you're taken to Moroni
and he's going to tell you, if

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you pray about these things with
an honest intent, I will cause

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your, your, the burning of the
bosom to happen and you'll know.

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And so it's very feeling based,
right?

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However, we can feel good, we
can have feelings that we

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identify as good that maybe
aren't right.

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And, and this I saw a lot when I
went so back in 2017, I tore my

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ACL and that pretty much signed
sidelined you as a surveyor out

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in the field.
Right now.

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It's about a 50% in the office,
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And so I just said, OK, well,
I'll just do office work while I

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rehab and after my, after my
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So I started doing that.
And then I started to frustrate

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my boss because I was calling
him every like twice a day going

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what else she got for me to work
on.

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And so finally he's like, look,
this, this is what I'm going to

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do.
I'm going to go back to school.

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I'm going to pay for you to go
back to school.

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Take anything you want, but
don't call me anymore, right?

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Not until you're not, not until
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Don't call me anymore.
I'm like, OK, so I went in and I

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took a bunch of courses, mainly
on, you know, history,

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constitutional studies.
But while I was there, like

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there was a large age gap,
obviously for, you know, I was a

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non traditional student.
So we had a lot of kids in there

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and I was kind of the old man in
a lot of my classes, right?

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And one day we, we had kind of
this group project and we had

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got talking about what was going
on in the news and that sort of

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thing.
And eventually the trans issue

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comes up, right?
And there was this one, one

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young woman who was a devout LDS
person.

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I'm, I'm not even going to
question that.

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You know, I saw her going to
seminary.

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I saw her reading her scriptures
on the brakes, right?

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I mean, like she had all the
marks, but yet she was in firmly

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in this camp of we need to make
more room for trans ideology and

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Mormonism and this sort of
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And I thought, OK, now this is
interesting because we got 2

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dichotomies here that are
working against each other.

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And so I thought like this was
long before I thought about

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starting a podcast.
But I do wish I had the audio on

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that because it was a
fascinating conversation.

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And I said, OK, how do you get
there?

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Right?
I'm not, I'm not judging you.

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I want to know how you get
there, right?

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Knowing what you know from the
scriptures, from the things that

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you know, certain men who've
been leadership in the LDS

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Church have said that this is
wrong.

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How do you get there?
And she said, well, I just do

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what I did about the Book of
Mormon.

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I pray about it.
And if I get a good feeling,

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it's got to be right.
And I was like, OK, now this is

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interesting, right?
And I said, so it made you feel

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good.
And she said, yeah, it made me

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feel inclusive.
It made me feel warm and loving.

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And I thought, OK, this is where
you do need the Canon of

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Scripture in addition to the
Word of God, because just like

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the Word of God can clarify
scriptures, if we rely solely on

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feelings, we can be duped.
So how do we parse that out,

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Ammon?
I mean, what what's your

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thoughts on how do we make sure
that what we're getting that

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makes us feel good is actually
from God?

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Does that make sense?
Does the question make sense

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here?
Yeah, it doesn't and you explain

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it right.
If we just went off feelings

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what we felt good about, we
could find ourselves pretty far

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off in left field on a lot of
issues.

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And I think that's where he's
speaking here in Moroni is that

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which entice the good is from
God, that which is evil is from

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the devil.
And there's just there's not a

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switch in there that you can
just say, well, it felt good, so

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it must be from God.
He in Scripture gives direct

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commandments on a lot of things,
which includes all the very

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issues you brought up that
plainly point those out as

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wrong.
And we're not going to get a

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revelation to ourselves that
tells us the opposite of that.

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That's going to be the evil
powers trying to work in their

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thing because they entice the do
evil continually.

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And I, I think that it becomes
important to understand the

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difference in the voices you
hear in your, in your head,

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because maybe you have heard a
lot of young people, especially

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they, they hear about, oh, we
just need to love everyone no

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matter their choices and all
that stuff.

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And it becomes confusing to
them.

444
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,680
And so they they think they're
applying this love of God for

445
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:25,080
someone and supporting them in
something like the trans stop or

446
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,000
something like that.
When it's in direct opposition

447
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,560
to the laws of God, the laws of
life.

448
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:38,200
And that's where, you know, the
thing that enticed or prompted

449
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,240
someone to think that was OK, it
wasn't from God because it was

450
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,800
in opposition to His laws that
He's laid out here in the

451
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,920
Scriptures.
You know, it's almost like the

452
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,760
Lord is using the law of
witnesses, even even in, in, in

453
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,360
obtaining his word, right?
Like we can, we can get the

454
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,160
message through revelation.
We can see how it stacks up with

455
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,000
revealed revelation, which is
the scriptures.

456
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,760
And if they're not in harmony, I
feel like that's a good, a good

457
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,360
key to throw that out right to,
to to really re examine closely

458
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,560
what that revelation was,
because so much of revelation

459
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,760
works off of just how you feel.
And it's important to be able to

460
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,280
parse out how you feel versus
what a real message is.

461
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,760
And I think I think the Canon of
scripture can can lend support

462
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,880
there.
Exactly.

463
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,760
All right, I'll read.
I'll read another verse here.

464
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,400
Yeah, so he affirms a different
verse we read earlier.

465
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,360
Behold, the Spirit of Christ is
given to every man, that he may

466
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,920
know good from evil.
Wherefore I show unto you the

467
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,560
way to judge.
For everything which inviteth to

468
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:52,360
do good, and to persuade to
believe in Christ, is sent forth

469
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,760
by the beget power and gift of
Christ.

470
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,440
Wherefore ye may know with a
perfect knowledge it is of God.

471
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,680
But whatsoever thing persuadeth
men to do evil, and believe not

472
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,520
in Christ, and deny him, and
serve not God, then you may

473
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,960
knoweth a perfect knowledge it
is of the devil.

474
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,520
For after this manner doth the
devil work.

475
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:21,520
For he persuadeth no man to do
good, no, not one, neither do

476
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,600
his angels, neither do they who
subject themselves unto him.

477
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,880
And now my brethren, seeing that
you know the light by which you

478
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:34,160
may judge, which light is the
light of Christ, be that you do

479
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,560
not judge wrongfully or with
that same judgement which ye

480
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:42,280
judge, ye shall also be judged.
So he mentions it in there

481
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,440
several times.
Don't judge wrongfully.

482
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:49,800
Don't call evil good and good
evil, because Satan is never

483
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,640
going to try to encourage you to
do good.

484
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,760
He he might put on a show of it.
And I think some of these issues

485
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,360
in our day that have become good
called evil and evil called good

486
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:07,880
is that Satan trying to take one
point in scriptures, which

487
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:13,360
generally is love, this love of
God and apply it against God,

488
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:20,160
use it against God. 100 percent,
100%.

489
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,080
You know, I think this goes to
to what we see in Moses after he

490
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:29,040
has his encounter with the Lord
and then Satan shows up.

491
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,720
But Satan like and and this is
what I've tried to tell people

492
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:38,480
is that Satan's not going to
come and just show up and be the

493
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,680
scariest looking dude in the
room right that that gives it

494
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:50,800
away and for the father of lies.
That would be just it would be

495
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,840
shooting yourself in the foot.
It makes no sense.

496
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,400
He shows up to Moses as an Angel
of light.

497
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,360
And likewise, we can expect some
of our own temptations when

498
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,200
we're starting to choose good
from evil.

499
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,640
It's going to feel like that a
little bit and it's going to be

500
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,640
super important.
I think This is why the

501
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:15,120
scriptures and Revelation are so
important today, because quite

502
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,480
frankly, we're just going to
need them because the messages

503
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,920
will, can continue to get more
convoluted.

504
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,280
And we're going to, it's only
going to be through revelation

505
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,800
in the scriptures that we're
going to be able to navigate

506
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,520
things.
So I I agree.

507
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,960
Certainly.
And, and I think that's the

508
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,040
thing that's so important is to
learn to, to distinguish what

509
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,280
those different voices are
trying to tell you to do.

510
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,240
Often as you learn revelation,
you have more than just the

511
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,160
feeling right You you begin to
hear the message too.

512
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:55,400
And pardon my girl.
No, you're good.

513
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:56,520
You're.
Just fine.

514
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,600
Often the when the Spirit of God
tells us to do something, it's

515
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,080
not exactly what we expected to
be doing or wanted to be doing.

516
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:12,400
Often it's different.
Said that I was like like

517
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:18,639
starting a podcast.
No, that's, that's a true thing

518
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:20,800
too.
I've I've always said if.

519
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,600
In fact, I think I said it in
one of the other episodes if

520
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:31,639
like sometimes it it is as easy
as does this feel too, too much

521
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:35,719
like what I want, right, like if
the Lord ever, you know, gave me

522
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,159
a message of you know what,
Dave, just retire to the

523
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:42,199
Caribbean, kick your feet up by
the beach, watch the waves come

524
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:44,440
in and out and you can finish
life off there.

525
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,600
I'm going to get real
suspicious, right?

526
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:49,000
It's at that.
Point I'm going to be like.

527
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,400
I don't think that's the Lord
because that's not usually what

528
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,679
He has me doing.
Right, right.

529
00:34:56,679 --> 00:35:02,160
And so we have, we have three
voices, right, that we all deal

530
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,480
with.
We have our own voice ourselves.

531
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,160
We talk to ourselves in our mind
all the time, at least I do.

532
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,280
Then we have the voice of Christ
in our heart.

533
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:16,040
And then we have the opposition,
the evil powers.

534
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,160
I don't think it's Satan himself
coming to us, trying to tempt

535
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,040
us, but he has plenty of minions
to do his work for him.

536
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,480
And and I feel like there's kind
of a key and we have it here in

537
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,440
Morona.
He's he's encouraging us to

538
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,640
learn to tell that difference
between good and evil so we can

539
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:38,280
understand the voice of Christ
that's born into us.

540
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:44,480
So if we if we start with
ourselves then and everyone can

541
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,000
notice this when you're trying
to decide something just on your

542
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,840
own.
You question I should go to the

543
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,880
gym, right.
You know, you're you're trying

544
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,920
to confirm to yourself what I
should do.

545
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,040
I should go shopping and get
this or that should I Maybe

546
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,120
it'll help me and you question
yourself with your own voice

547
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,000
when you are given a direction
by the Spirit of God.

548
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,760
It's often do this or do that
help this person go down the

549
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,680
street, check on your neighbor,
follow up your brother and a lot

550
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,120
of things like that.
It's definite this is something

551
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,320
you should do and often you
don't feel like doing the thing

552
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,600
it tells you to do.
I I think it often goes against

553
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,320
the natural man.
Does.

554
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,040
And then you have the voice of
evil that is often, you know,

555
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,440
you, you don't need to get up
and say your prayers this

556
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,400
morning.
You're tired.

557
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:42,800
You, you should keep sleeping or
take that for yourself because

558
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,840
you need a, you know, a lot of
things.

559
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,080
It caters to our selfishness
more than anything more to be

560
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:55,360
popular, you know, support this
movement because it's love.

561
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,720
And you know, if you don't, then
everybody's going to think

562
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:07,840
you're the odd person.
So there's a lot of ways where a

563
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,280
person can tell the difference.
And I've heard, I've heard your

564
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,360
different stories on the podcast
where you are prompted to do

565
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,240
something.
It's like, Nah, do I really want

566
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:18,960
to do?
Oh.

567
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,400
Man, I think we can all relate
to that.

568
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,000
I hope so.
I hope it's.

569
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,720
Not just me.
Because there are times where

570
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:29,840
I'm like, I don't want to do
that right?

571
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,760
Like I would rather just, but
but you can tell, right?

572
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,960
You to your point, you can
always tell because it's

573
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,400
usually, it's usually some work,
right?

574
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:46,240
And it's the darndest thing I'm
never I'm never mad that I did

575
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:51,120
the work right, but boy,
sometimes get in my rear to get

576
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,720
up out of the chair and go do it
is is like pulling teeth.

577
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,840
And I, you know, that's
something I got to work on

578
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,000
personally to be better than
what I have been is to just go

579
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,720
immediately so.
Yeah, same here.

580
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,920
Same here.
I've got, I'm talking here about

581
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:16,560
this is me trying to learn what
I need to do and it and it

582
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:22,280
reminds me when I when I was
learning the truth about the

583
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:27,480
group, I was part of the FLDS
and trying to find out what I

584
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,360
should do.
There's a lot of fear involved

585
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:37,440
because I grew up being taught
so certainly that we were right

586
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,840
and no one else was.
And if I were to change my

587
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,360
thought on that, I was, you
know, I was going to be forever

588
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,640
cast out to the lowest hell.
And that's pretty scary if you

589
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:54,240
believe it anyway.
And I remember I didn't know

590
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:56,920
what to do.
I, I didn't know if I dare to

591
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,960
look into anything or ask
questions.

592
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,480
And so I went out into the woods
and said my prayers about it

593
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:10,480
and, and I told God, I said, I
want to know what's true no

594
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,320
matter what, even if it means
that my father really isn't the

595
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,960
prophet.
And those words came to me

596
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,640
without me thinking them, You
know, when it's giving you what

597
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,480
to say.
And it really, it really shook

598
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,520
me and surprised me that I'd
even say something like that.

599
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:33,000
But as soon as I got those words
out, then the Lord just opened

600
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,560
up the way for me to learn the
truth and to be able to retain a

601
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:42,320
love for the gospel as I learned
it, which is something so easy

602
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:49,920
to lose when you come out of a
situation like that. 100% Oh and

603
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,160
you feel like at that time that
you had a good idea what the

604
00:39:55,160 --> 00:40:01,800
spirit felt like.
Yes I do, and I I had to

605
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:08,160
differentiate between tradition.
And being vulnerable enough to

606
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,840
ask for an answer and receive
it.

607
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:16,720
Oh, those are different things.
So it it and we can continue

608
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:19,920
this only if you're comfortable.
I don't want to focus on stuff

609
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,160
you don't want to focus on, but
I do feel like there might be

610
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,040
some lessons here.
So if at any point you're

611
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,600
uncomfortable, you just need to
tell me, Dave, shut the pie hole

612
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,240
and we'll move on.
But so as as you're doing that

613
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:38,320
right, I can only imagine that
the scriptures were a great help

614
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,960
in that point, right?
Because you could kind of take

615
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,840
the scriptures and go, OK, what
do we really got going on here

616
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,320
kind of an AB comparison.
Is that is that a fair

617
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,040
assumption or was that not the
case?

618
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,200
Yeah, there was certain things I
read.

619
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,880
So I, I, after I said those
prayers, you know, I learned

620
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:01,440
that he had molested some of my
siblings and other people too.

621
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:10,600
And I actually have someone that
I looked up to say to me for a

622
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:15,360
man to be exalted, he's got to
sin almost beyond redemption and

623
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,280
then be forgiven.
And that was their justification

624
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:24,080
of what he did.
So I, I, you know, that that did

625
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,720
not feel right to me.
So I was like, well, what did

626
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:32,280
Jesus say about this situation?
And I looked it, looked it up

627
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,640
and it was that quote that he
says if anyone offends one of

628
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,960
these little ones that believe
on me, it'd be better than a

629
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,320
millstone or cast put around his
neck and him cast into the sea.

630
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,680
And that was like a answer.
You know, I'd read that 10 times

631
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:51,200
before and not seen that.
And it was my answer to that

632
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,320
question.
That's what Jesus thought about.

633
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,120
That's that situation.
He didn't say you shall sin

634
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,960
almost the day of grace away and
then repent and be exalted.

635
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,280
He said, if you're if you're
committing these certain sins,

636
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,080
you're out.
This is what I feel like about

637
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:13,880
you.
And then then I because he had

638
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,960
commanded us to not get married,
right?

639
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,880
And he had started telling
people to not eat meat.

640
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:29,200
And so I was, as I prayed about
this, I, I opened up Timothy and

641
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,560
he, there's a version there in
Timothy that says the false

642
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:39,640
prophets would arise in the last
days commanding men to not marry

643
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,120
and not eat meat.
And that was another thing that

644
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:48,840
just get me in the face, like
really shocked me.

645
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,600
OK, Ammon, Ammon, Ammon giggle a
little bit because Ammon saw me

646
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,520
because I'm not going to lie
when it said if any man tells

647
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,360
you not to eat me, he's a false
prophet.

648
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:03,360
I was like, oh, yeah, like
anyone says I shouldn't eat

649
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,720
steak.
Yeah, I dismiss you, Sir, as a

650
00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:09,120
false prophet.
But no, you're you're 100%

651
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,840
correct that you had you had the
scriptures there that helped you

652
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:17,840
tremendously.
And what's what's fascinating is

653
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:23,440
that Jesus does the same thing.
If we look at Matthew Chapter 11

654
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,960
or is it 4?
I think it's Matthew 4.

655
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,120
Pardon me.
One through 11.

656
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,920
Yeah.
It's when when he's being

657
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,720
tempted in the in the
wilderness.

658
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:36,080
And do you are you OK?
I don't want to mess up your

659
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:37,840
flow.
Are you OK if I jump in here and

660
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,440
read this just real quick?
Yes, absolutely.

661
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,680
So this is Matthew 4.
I believe it's versus one

662
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:49,800
through 11.
And then Jesus LED up of the

663
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,320
Spirit into the wilderness to be
tempted of the devil.

664
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,960
And when he had fasted 40 days
and 40 nights, he was afterwards

665
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,480
hungered.
And when the tempter came to

666
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,840
him, he said, If thou be the Son
of God, command these stones to

667
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,960
be made bread.
And he being Jesus, answered and

668
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,400
said, It is written, Man shall
not live by bread alone, but

669
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,440
every word that proceedeth from
the mouth of God.

670
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,080
In verse 5.
And then the devil taketh him up

671
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,800
into the holy city, and setteth
him upon the pinnacle of the

672
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,400
temple, and sayeth unto him, If
thou be the Son of God, cast

673
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,320
thyself down.
For it is written, He shall give

674
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,560
thee his angels charge
concerning thee, and in their

675
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:33,560
hands they shall bear thee up,
lest at any time thou dash thy

676
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,360
foot against the stone.
And then Jesus said unto him, It

677
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,960
is written, that thou shalt not
tempt the Lord thy God.

678
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:43,800
And again the devil taketh him
up into an exceedingly high

679
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,040
mountain, and showeth him all
the kingdoms of the world, and

680
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:51,080
the glory of them, and saith
unto him, All these things will

681
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,880
I give thee, if that will fall
down and worship me.

682
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,440
And then Jesus answered him,
saying, Get behind thee, Satan.

683
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,200
For it is written, Thou shalt
worship the Lord thy God, and

684
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,920
him only shalt thy serve.
Then the devil leaveth him, and

685
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,560
behold, angels came and
ministered unto him.

686
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:13,520
So here we have the Savior at
his weakest point that I could

687
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,440
imagine, fasting 40 days and 40
nights, right?

688
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,080
He's out there in the desert.
He is hungry.

689
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,800
He's still mortal, right?
I think that's important to

690
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,560
know.
He does have some of the same,

691
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:33,040
excuse me, some of the same
abilities that his father gave

692
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,920
him, but he is still half human.
And so he feels that hunger.

693
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,120
He feels that anguish of, of
thirst.

694
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:46,040
And then the devil shows up and
then he's like, OK, if you're so

695
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,920
hungry, you're the Messiah.
Just ask these breads to be made

696
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,720
stone.
And Jesus uses, I believe that

697
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:57,320
one was out of Deuteronomy.
He uses Deuteronomy to repel

698
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,320
that.
Then he uses the 10

699
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,720
commandments, and I think he
uses Deuteronomy again in the

700
00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:04,160
final one.
So if it's good enough for the

701
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,240
Savior of the world, I think
it's probably good enough for

702
00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:09,080
us, right?
That we can.

703
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,760
We can absolutely use Scripture
in this kind of spiritual

704
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,280
warfare we got going right now.
Few months back, Justin Frankham

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It was an idea that once I had

707
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739
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,640
Right.
I think that that story is a

740
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,600
perfect example of what he means
when he talks about the sort of

741
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,760
spirit using the Word of God in
a few place.

742
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,480
In a few places in there, Satan
tries to use little pieces of

743
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:27,760
the Word of God too tempt Jesus,
and Jesus fights it by

744
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:32,440
remembering the word of God and
being prompted what scriptures

745
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:36,320
to use to fight that temptation
to remain humble.

746
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,560
I mean, Satan was offering him a
lot of stuff, right?

747
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,320
Oh yeah.
And and people are like, oh, you

748
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,440
know, he's the son of God.
That couldn't have been too big

749
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,400
of a temptation.
But how would we do if someone

750
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,960
came and offered us all the
riches in the world?

751
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,520
We just do this one little SIM,
right?

752
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,600
And in your weakest moment, that
might not feel like such a bad

753
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,880
thing.
No, no.

754
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:07,480
And and look, This is why it's
so important to be familiar with

755
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:12,320
truth, right?
And to have a constant piece of

756
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,560
revelation.
And what's interesting is even

757
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:24,480
Jesus in here, he says you shall
not live by bread alone, but

758
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,480
every word that proceedeth from
the mouth of God, right?

759
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:32,040
Again, kind of what you got onto
there, Ammon 100% tip in his hat

760
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:36,040
towards, well, there's scripture
and then there's additional

761
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,760
scripture in the form of
revelation.

762
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:43,400
And even the Savior is saying
here that by quoting that

763
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,680
scripture, don't rule out
revelation.

764
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:53,520
If you rule that out, you will
be left left to your own

765
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,000
devices, and that's probably
less than optimal.

766
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,400
Sorry, I didn't mean to mess up
your flow there.

767
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,760
I'm so glad to draw that up
because that's that's a story I

768
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,600
didn't want to miss.
And I had kind of forgotten

769
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:13,600
about that because we got going.
Yeah.

770
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:18,400
The great example showed us how
to deal with temptation by using

771
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,240
the Word of God as a defensive
and offensive weapon.

772
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:32,870
Both Revelation and the
Scripture and another another

773
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:35,910
place talking about the Lord of
God, Hebrew.

774
00:50:36,350 --> 00:50:41,230
Hebrews 4 verse 12 and 13 also
talks about the Word of God as a

775
00:50:41,230 --> 00:50:45,590
sword or like a sword he says.
For the Word of God is quick and

776
00:50:45,590 --> 00:50:49,470
powerful and sharper than any 2
edged sword, piercing even to

777
00:50:49,470 --> 00:50:52,830
the dividing asunder of body and
spirit and of joints and marrow,

778
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,240
and is a discerner of the
thoughts and intents of the

779
00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:59,000
heart.
Neither is there any creature

780
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,680
that is not manifest in his
sight, but all things are naked

781
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,840
and open unto the eyes of him
with whom we have to do Speaking

782
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:11,840
of God.
So throughout scripture it's

783
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:18,280
very consistent what the Lord
considers His word like unto and

784
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:22,560
that word of God it it doesn't
matter about your feelings so

785
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:32,560
much as truth. 100% it.
I've said this for a lot of

786
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,160
years.
The truth has no agenda.

787
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,440
It simply exists because it's
true.

788
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,720
It doesn't take into account how
you feel about it.

789
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,560
It doesn't take into account how
many tears are shed over it.

790
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,840
It just exists because it's the
truth.

791
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:58,800
And oh boy, if if we understand
that, then we we're going to

792
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:03,400
have to instinctively understand
that if we hold to the

793
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,560
scriptures and if we use the
scriptures in the word of God as

794
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:11,240
we're prescribed to use it,
we're not always going to be

795
00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:13,640
light right now.
Right.

796
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,200
If everybody you encounter
thinks that you're kind of a

797
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,440
horse's rear, you may want to
rethink something.

798
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:25,560
But but certainly out in the
world as as we navigate our way

799
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:30,680
through that and we try to hold
to those principles, it's going

800
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,400
to rub it.
There's no way it can't.

801
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,440
Jesus promised us that, right?
They're going to hate you.

802
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,480
But remember they hated me first
is what he says essentially

803
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,200
right.
I think we need to to understand

804
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,960
that because as we get in the
game, as as we fulfill our

805
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:51,440
various roles, I think there's
going to be a lot of times we're

806
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,600
not going to be winning
popularity contest.

807
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,920
I think we're going to be to
have to stand in some

808
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:04,720
uncomfortable places.
For sure the history of the

809
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:08,360
earth doesn't show the people
that are in line with God as

810
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:13,960
being very popular ever, no.
No, no, they're always looked at

811
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:18,360
as peculiar, different, maybe
even combative from time to

812
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,960
time.
And that's just just where,

813
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,680
where it stacks.
But the other thing my

814
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,600
grandfather used to tell me is
like, if you're not over the the

815
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:34,120
target, you're not taking Flack.
I mean, you know, you only get,

816
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,000
you only get Flack if you're if
you're encroaching on something

817
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:45,960
that somebody else deems beyond
criticism.

818
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,640
And so it's important to realize
that too, that their response

819
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:56,600
will tell you where you are in
terms of of theology and getting

820
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:01,720
to the root of the problem.
All right, all right, I'll

821
00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:07,400
bring, I'll bring the EFLDS send
it here one more time because

822
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,920
maybe this audience isn't very
aware.

823
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:16,960
But after my after father went
to prison, he started calling

824
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,640
and giving a lot of revelations
and, you know, trying to be like

825
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,640
the Prophet Joseph, whatever.
And up till now, you know, he's

826
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:30,160
given volume, volume upon volume
of 1000 page books, several of

827
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,720
them written.
And and there's this group of

828
00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:36,400
people that take that they feel
like this is the word of God

829
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,280
they follow that they won't be
deceived and so forth.

830
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:45,440
And, you know, I was there at
one time, but there was

831
00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:50,160
something that started to happen
that started to make me question

832
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,760
and go to the older scriptures
first.

833
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,520
I had, I had heard this from
some of the early leaders in

834
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:01,880
this fundamentalist movement say
if what we say doesn't square

835
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,480
with the Scriptures, the
standard works, you can throw it

836
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:11,280
out.
And father started to make a lot

837
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:15,480
of prophecies and he started to
put times, dates on them when

838
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,120
this would happen and that would
happen and it wouldn't happen.

839
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:22,320
Or he'd say a certain person
committed this great sin.

840
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:27,480
And I knew they didn't.
And one day I was reading the

841
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,680
Bible, you know, like what, what
are we supposed to do if this

842
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,240
man that says he's the prophet
is making false prophecies?

843
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:41,120
And I read out of Deuteronomy
like 2 verses towards the end

844
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:48,840
says if a prophet prophesied
falsely, you don't need to fear

845
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,160
him and you don't need to give
him any heed.

846
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,800
And then I read the Prophet
Joseph, he said, you know, a

847
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,960
man's a prophet, but if his
prophecies are fulfilled or not.

848
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,480
And that, that was one thing
that was really became clear to

849
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:06,440
me also in that situation.
Interesting.

850
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,240
So it provided kind of a litmus
test wherewith you could judge

851
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,800
more accurately.
Right.

852
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:19,760
You know, that's interesting
because so much of discipleship

853
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:24,320
to the Lord Jesus Christ has a
lot to do with judgement, right?

854
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,600
On one hand, we're commanded not
to judge people, right?

855
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:35,800
And I'm, I'm, I'm a fan of that,
right people, I, I firmly

856
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:40,160
believe that most, not all, but
the vast majority of people

857
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:44,840
don't want to do bad things.
They just don't, those are

858
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,240
mistakes.
But every once in a while

859
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:52,320
someone comes along who does
want to do bad things.

860
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:58,960
That is their intent.
And certainly we can judge those

861
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,040
actions.
We're not prohibited from

862
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,360
judging another person person's
actions.

863
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,400
We want to make sure that we're
judging righteously and I think

864
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:12,080
what you just illuminated is in
that story is exactly the way it

865
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,760
should be done.
Get what we do have right What

866
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,480
what the Lord has revealed.
You know, anciently and modern

867
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:24,440
and square it right.
If if it doesn't square those

868
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,640
early brethren were right.
You can, you can kind of move on

869
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,960
from that.
Now again, in Mormonism, it's a

870
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,520
little different, right?
We, we have supplemental, if you

871
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,240
will, right.
You can look at the teachings of

872
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,720
the Prophet Joseph Smith, some
of those writings from those

873
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:46,080
early brethren.
But it's amazing that darn near

874
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:47,960
everything.
And I would say the things that

875
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,680
don't appear to square with
scripture on the surface just

876
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,480
requires a little bit more
reading and prayer because they

877
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,600
did square with those with,
with, with the scriptures.

878
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,560
It was squared there and so we
don't have to be afraid to use

879
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:05,800
that standard.
Yeah, sum that up.

880
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:11,880
Yet the Word of God is our
sword, defensive and offensive,

881
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:17,760
and we find it in the Scriptures
and also the light of Christ in

882
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,600
our heart and mind, guiding us
to judge between good and evil.

883
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,720
Absolutely, absolutely.
Let let me ask this question.

884
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,280
I'm sorry, was there somewhere
else you wanted to go or or was

885
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,200
did we get through it?
I I feel like we're pretty,

886
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,800
we've done pretty well.
So let's keep going.

887
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:41,320
What your question is?
What prevents people from

888
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:46,800
getting in the right perspective
or the right place spiritually

889
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:51,600
to be able to get the messages
out of the scriptures or get

890
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:55,920
that revelation that they need
to be able to navigate things,

891
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:02,280
right?
I think so often people are are

892
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:03,840
just kind of out of sorts,
right?

893
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,040
They're not lined up with that.
Certainly I feel that way quite

894
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,680
a bit from time to time.
How is it we get ourselves into

895
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:15,360
that place that that revelatory
place to where we can read the

896
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:19,720
scriptures, extract what we need
from them, and also be able to

897
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:24,200
stand in a place where we can
receive direct revelation when

898
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:28,000
we need it?
What keeps people from that?

899
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,120
I believe that probably one of
the number one things that we

900
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:39,160
deal with is not wanting to
sacrifice convenience for

901
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:44,080
putting forth that effort, that
gratitude towards God that will

902
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:48,280
bring us in tune with the Spirit
of God and that opens the

903
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,160
Scriptures to us.
And I've certainly been in that

904
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:55,520
place many times where you feel
like the the heavens are brass

905
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:59,240
over your head, so to speak, and
you just aren't getting what you

906
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,960
need out of the Scriptures.
And I believe it.

907
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:06,680
It takes the sacrifice and the
humility, you know, while

908
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,720
they're in heaven, what what do
I need to do with myself to

909
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,720
change?
So I'm in tune with your spirit,

910
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:18,640
so I'm obedient, so I have that
righteousness within me, where

911
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,400
the Spirit will flow unto me as
I read.

912
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:21,920
Or sheep to understand the
truth.

913
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:26,960
Because often it's little
disobediences that pull us away

914
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:28,960
from that, not some great big
sin.

915
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:33,920
You know, something as simple as
maybe you have an impression to,

916
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,120
you know, pick up the trash up
floor or help your wife with the

917
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,040
dishes or something simple like
that.

918
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,240
You know, don't watch TV right
now, do this other good thing.

919
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:47,760
And when we don't, we start to
feel clouded in our minds.

920
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:58,080
So one of my favorite things to
study about is military history,

921
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,480
and not necessarily even current
military history, right?

922
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,440
Like going way back.
And one of the things I

923
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:11,120
discovered was the communication
between the generals and the men

924
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,600
executing the orders on the
ground is vital, right?

925
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,520
There's a reason that even in
the old days, the generals

926
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:21,880
usually were back out of the
fray so that they could direct

927
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:28,840
what was happening.
Communication is so vital, and I

928
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,360
think a large portion of what
we've talked about tonight with

929
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:35,600
the sword of the Spirit, which
is the Word of God, is being

930
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,640
able to get communication from
from our Father in heaven, who

931
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,480
has a much better vantage point
of the battle than we do.

932
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:47,840
Right.
Any, any good military advisor

933
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,520
or general that's worth assault?
One of the first things they're

934
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,960
going to take out is
communications, right?

935
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,240
You don't let the generals
communicate with the men on the

936
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,400
ground.
If you can do that, you can

937
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,840
cause chaos with the, with the
guys actually fighting the

938
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,440
battle.
And then the battle's pretty

939
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:05,880
much over.
They don't even they don't

940
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,600
realize it's over, but it's it's
done now.

941
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:16,160
How does that apply here?
And this is this again, this is

942
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:20,400
a tricky ploy by the adversary.
This is not something that I

943
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,240
think we can, we should take
lightly.

944
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,680
We should understand that this
is kind of his playbook.

945
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,560
If he was to come, you know, if,
if, if, if Amon was trying to be

946
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:33,960
in the spirit and, and, and the,
the adversary shows up and says,

947
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,840
you know what, Amon, don't worry
about that.

948
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,400
Why don't you just, you know,
come over here and watch this

949
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,600
thing on the Internet that you
know, you're not supposed to

950
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,080
watch, right?
That's too easy.

951
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,400
It's too easy.
You're going to, you're going to

952
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,080
spot that.
You're going to be like, go

953
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,320
pound Sandman because I'm not
doing that.

954
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:59,800
What I find happening today in
society at large isn't people

955
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:03,360
being tested willfully.
Certainly that does happen and

956
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,440
people fall victim to that.
But I think more than anything

957
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:10,000
else, a lot of what the
adversary is doing today is

958
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:14,640
cutting off communications.
And let me explain that he's not

959
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,400
doing it by being like, well,
you should just come over to the

960
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,280
bar tonight, right?
You should just hang out at the

961
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:20,800
bar all night.
That's what you should do.

962
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:26,840
He's doing it this way.
You got a small family, right?

963
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:31,680
Or, or a mid sized family even.
And it's like, you know, you got

964
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,520
one kid who's in soccer
practice, another kid that's in

965
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:40,120
in in ballet, another kid that's
in gymnastics, You know,

966
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:44,280
whatever it is, you got kids
going every direction, right?

967
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,840
Mom and dad is out working,
pounding away at it, trying to

968
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,320
just get keep a roof over
everybody's heads.

969
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,880
Mom is busy running kids
everywhere.

970
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:01,400
That does not lend itself to
being in a place to where we can

971
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,480
receive revelation.
Because none of those things are

972
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,360
bad, right?
There's nothing wrong with

973
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,440
making a living.
We've got to go make a living.

974
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,040
There's nothing wrong with
soccer or football.

975
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:12,880
It's good for your kids to be
active.

976
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,360
Nothing wrong with piano
lessons, right?

977
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:22,360
But something happens inside of
all of that where where all of a

978
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:25,960
sudden, because you're so busy,
you don't have time to just sit

979
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:30,280
and breathe and try to get in
tune, right?

980
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:35,240
And so it's a very clever ploy.
And so we have to Start learning

981
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,680
how to prioritize things a
little bit better.

982
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,760
I'm not saying give up all the
extracurriculars, right?

983
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,400
But maybe you need to pare down
a little bit.

984
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:50,400
Amber, my, my, my wife Amber,
she, she was awesome at that.

985
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:54,680
I remember there was a time
where we had, we had six kids,

986
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,680
four of them, we're all in doing
something right.

987
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,480
And I remember there was a
moment where where she came to

988
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,360
me and she just said we need to
slow down.

989
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:06,520
I was like, what do you mean
slow down?

990
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,400
Right?
Like now, to be fair, I'm a guy

991
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,120
that really enjoys going 100
miles an hour with my hair on

992
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,440
fire.
If I'm not right in the middle

993
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,160
of it, I am probably not as
happy as I could be.

994
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:21,240
That thing I said about taking a
rest on the beach, that sounds

995
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,800
all well and good, but truth be
told, I'm.

996
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:27,760
Going to be there for about. 25
minutes and I'm like, yeah, I

997
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:31,400
got to go do something, right.
And so for me, that was hard,

998
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,960
right?
A guy riddled with with adult

999
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,400
attention deficit disorder,
right?

1000
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:40,680
To just slow down.
But she was 100% correct because

1001
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,760
her reasoning was this.
And I didn't even pick it up.

1002
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,080
She's like, you realize we
haven't all sat down as a family

1003
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:52,280
in over a month and a half to a
meal, like even on Sundays,

1004
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,120
you're, you're, you're doing
your church duties right.

1005
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,280
You're, you're going to your
meetings and, and because I

1006
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,080
always had more meetings than,
than Amber and the kids because

1007
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,680
I was either in young men's or
elders quorum or bishopric or

1008
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:09,120
something like that, right?
And so she was 100% correct.

1009
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:14,520
And so we had to get very
deliberate about shutting things

1010
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,720
down, right?
And so the next year what we did

1011
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:22,080
is we just said, OK, I'm not
going to coach football now,

1012
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:23,560
right?
I'm going to take a step back

1013
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:28,880
and just watch, which drove me
nuts, but nonetheless, I did it.

1014
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,160
And we just told the kids,
you're going to get to do one

1015
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:37,640
thing a year, right?
Because we need time back home

1016
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:42,360
as a family.
And when we did that, everything

1017
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,240
changed in our family.
Everything changed.

1018
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:48,840
All the sudden we started to get
our kids on the same page and

1019
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:52,480
Amber and I were on the same
page, and we could start moving

1020
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:56,240
forward in a, in a direction
that that carried us closer to

1021
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,080
God.
But in those moments where we

1022
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:01,720
were really busy, and again, it
wasn't bad things, Ammon.

1023
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:06,560
It was just stuff that got in
the way.

1024
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:08,760
It jammed up the lines of
communication.

1025
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:14,560
So I think we have to set aside
time to where when we either

1026
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:18,760
read the scriptures or try to
pray that that it's a place

1027
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:24,520
where where we can just hear his
voice or otherwise we're going

1028
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,840
to get those lines of
communication jammed up.

1029
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:31,960
Yeah, IA 100% believe you or
agree with you on that.

1030
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:36,240
And I, I think one of the tools
of Satan in this day especially

1031
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:40,400
is to fight against the family
unit, to try to destroy the

1032
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,960
family unit, drive us apart,
keep us separated.

1033
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:49,400
And you don't even realize it's
happening until you step back

1034
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,720
and look at it, right?
Just like you said with your

1035
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:55,880
family, it's so easy to get
caught up in so many things in

1036
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:59,240
your earning a living and
schooling your children, trying

1037
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:03,640
to take care of everything too,
without even realizing it's

1038
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:05,640
happening.
Absolutely.

1039
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,800
This is the day that the fights
against the family, probably

1040
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:15,920
more than ever before.
I, I agree with you so, so much

1041
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:20,080
on that.
And it should really tell us

1042
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:21,680
where the emphasis should be,
right?

1043
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,600
If he, if, if the adversary's
coming that hard at families,

1044
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:28,760
there's a reason for it, right?
He wants to redefine it.

1045
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:34,000
He wants to get rid of it.
Whatever he can do to sabotage a

1046
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,760
man and a woman coming together
and raising children, that's

1047
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:39,920
that seems to be his number one
priority.

1048
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,520
So it should tell us how
important that is.

1049
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:48,160
Did you, were you ever aware of
a a guy named Elder Groberg out

1050
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:51,399
of the LDS church?
I don't I don't recognize the

1051
01:08:51,399 --> 01:08:54,439
name.
OK, they're they actually made a

1052
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:56,439
movie about his mission.
Disney did.

1053
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:00,560
Oh, gosh, I want to say probably
15 years ago now called The

1054
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:05,240
Other Side of Heaven, which
followed his his mission to

1055
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,200
Tonga.
I think it was Tonga.

1056
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:08,760
It was one of the Pacific
islands.

1057
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:14,680
And it was a good movie.
But he wrote an essay once on an

1058
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:19,880
experience he'd had there that
really drove this point home.

1059
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:24,479
And it was about a young boy
named Finneu.

1060
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,960
I shouldn't say young boy.
He was a young man named Finneu.

1061
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:33,720
And this elder Groberg and his
companion had bumped into this

1062
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:35,399
young man and taught him the
gospel.

1063
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:41,120
And this young man, as he's
taken the lessons, his father

1064
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,640
finds out from his older brother
that he's been taking these

1065
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,560
lessons.
And this family had been some

1066
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,399
sort of denomination for a lot
of years on that island.

1067
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:56,960
And the father, who was really
rough, a heavy drinker, told

1068
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:00,920
Vinay, you, you will not become
a Mormon, period.

1069
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:05,160
And if you do, there will be
repercussions.

1070
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:10,520
And the, you know, Feneu, he
just kind of nods his heads and

1071
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:15,200
and carries on.
So they get to the point in the

1072
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:17,840
missionary discussions where
they're like, would you be

1073
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:21,520
baptized?
And Feneu said, I will, but

1074
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:22,840
we're going to have to do it at
night.

1075
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,680
Now this, this young man is like
19 years old.

1076
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:31,040
It's not like he's underage.
And so he says, yeah, I will.

1077
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,920
But we're going to have to do it
at night and probably in the

1078
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:37,000
ocean so that none of my family
know.

1079
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,880
And the elders, you know, and
this is back in the 40s or 50s,

1080
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:42,880
right?
So the elders kind of look at

1081
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,120
themselves and you get this
feeling like, well, can we do

1082
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:46,360
that?
And then, you know, they're

1083
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:48,360
like, well, I don't know, but
let's do it anyway.

1084
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:52,800
Sort of a thing, right?
So they scheduled the the

1085
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:57,560
baptism for a couple days later.
Somehow word got out to Phineu's

1086
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,680
older brother and he went and
talked to his dad.

1087
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:06,120
And his dad was like, wait till
he's baptized and then go teach

1088
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:10,600
him a lesson.
So the elders talk about how

1089
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,840
they get the elder Groberg talks
about how they take this young

1090
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:15,400
man, they wade out into the
ocean.

1091
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:21,040
They they bring the arm to the
square, they say the prayer and

1092
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:24,040
they baptize him.
And as soon as he comes out of

1093
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:28,480
the water, they hear this just
Primal Scream coming out of some

1094
01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:30,640
of the shrubbery right next to
the beach.

1095
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:35,120
And his older brother comes
storming out with a club and

1096
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,480
just begins to wail on his
younger brother for becoming a

1097
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:42,520
Mormon.
I mean, breaks skin, bruises

1098
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,760
bad, leaves him face down in the
ocean.

1099
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:51,360
Now think about open wounds in
that salt water just rushing

1100
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:56,800
across there that's going to
sting the elders who like did

1101
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,720
like went and jumped in the
bushes so they didn't get hit,

1102
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,360
right?
Like forgot the poor convert and

1103
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:05,320
like, oh, let's just get to
safety.

1104
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:09,520
They rush back into the ocean
when his brother leaves and they

1105
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:15,000
they, they get him to shore.
They lay him down and they say

1106
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:19,000
he's conscious and he's like, we
got to get you to the hospital

1107
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:24,160
right now because these wounds
look bad and you need medical

1108
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,960
attention.
And they were starting to try to

1109
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:30,360
stand him up to leave.
And he forces himself back on

1110
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:33,920
the ground.
And the elders are like, what

1111
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,240
are you doing?
Like, we got to get you to a

1112
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:39,600
doctor now.
And he's like, no.

1113
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,720
And of course, these two elders
are like, what do you mean no,

1114
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,280
Right.
Like, this is not a debate.

1115
01:12:47,440 --> 01:12:53,360
This is you are seriously hurt.
And Finneh, you said something

1116
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:57,960
that when I read it, absolutely
changed my whole outlook on

1117
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:00,880
this.
He said, you're right, it is

1118
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:02,920
important that I get to the
doctor.

1119
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,680
It's so important that if I have
some of that internal bleeding

1120
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,280
you were you told me about, I
might die.

1121
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:15,560
But if I die now, I'm not yet
confirmed a member of this

1122
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:19,160
church.
So you will confirm me, a member

1123
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:22,920
of the church and pass along the
gift of the Holy Ghost before I

1124
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:26,520
die.
And, you know, so again, you've

1125
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:30,680
got these, you know, late teen,
early 20 boys who were probably

1126
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:34,080
just staring at each other,
like, I guess, right?

1127
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:38,320
And just kind of, you know, said
the prayer, but also made sure

1128
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:40,880
to include that he would heal
from these injuries and that

1129
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:43,520
sort of thing.
They do get him the hospital.

1130
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:50,320
He's got no lasting injuries.
Later on, his dad actually joins

1131
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:53,360
the church and so does his whole
family, his brother, everybody.

1132
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:59,520
But why do I tell that story?
It's it's it has to do with this

1133
01:13:59,960 --> 01:14:03,920
idea of Lucifer gumming up the
work, so to speak, right?

1134
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,000
And how we don't let that
happen.

1135
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:10,520
We have to choose.
Look, most, I shouldn't say

1136
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,920
most, there's a lot of choices
in life that we make that are

1137
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:18,840
kind of no brainers, right?
Like do I pay my bills or do I

1138
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,200
say forget my bills and go on
vacation?

1139
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,120
You pay your bills, right?
You keep your house, right?

1140
01:14:24,440 --> 01:14:29,640
That's a no brainer, right?
Then there's other decisions

1141
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,920
where you got to choose between
what's important and what's

1142
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:38,520
vital, right?
And what I see this this young

1143
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:42,520
congen man do is that he had two
choices in front of him.

1144
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:47,000
One was super important, get to
the doctor and make sure you're

1145
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:50,520
going to live.
The other was vital.

1146
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:55,800
Make sure that if I don't, I am
in good standing with my God.

1147
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:59,960
Exactly.
And so when we start looking at

1148
01:14:59,960 --> 01:15:03,640
these things where Satan tries
to gum up the works or gum up

1149
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:08,400
our communication, where we
don't have the time necessary as

1150
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:11,640
individuals or as families to
get into the Scripture to kneel

1151
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:17,440
down together, to pray as a
family, I think it then becomes

1152
01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:21,240
incumbent upon us, certainly as
fathers, as head of households

1153
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:25,480
say, OK, what am I doing?
Do I need to scale this back?

1154
01:15:25,480 --> 01:15:30,760
Do I need to, to, to, to get
everybody home more?

1155
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:32,880
Do I need to slow things down?
Right.

1156
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:36,320
And you're going to have to make
those choices between what's

1157
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:40,240
important and what's vital.
And so my question to you is,

1158
01:15:40,440 --> 01:15:43,720
how do we make those choices,
Amin, right, Because the no

1159
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:46,520
brainers are easy.
Go to Disneyland or pay your

1160
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:48,840
bills.
You pay your bills, right?

1161
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,240
But how do we choose between
what's important and what's

1162
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,120
vital?
Right.

1163
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:57,880
So that that's a, that's a good
question, a hard question.

1164
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:03,400
And in the story you brought up,
which that's a excellent point,

1165
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:08,560
that man knew what was most
important to him, and that was

1166
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:13,360
the favor of his Heavenly Father
over his health, over his own

1167
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:19,960
physical welfare.
And perhaps that's a key there,

1168
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:28,240
that story where he chose the
vital over the necessary right,

1169
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:32,000
the thing that he felt would
please his Father in heaven the

1170
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:35,840
most, more than just him being
taken care of.

1171
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:40,440
And I think we all run into
situations like that in our

1172
01:16:40,440 --> 01:16:47,120
life, maybe not nearly so
drastic, but but the simple, am

1173
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:51,080
I going to kneel down with my
family and read with them

1174
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:53,520
tonight?
Or are we in such a rush doing

1175
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,200
all these other things that are
really good, really helpful, you

1176
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:59,720
know, helping our children learn
and grow or ourselves or

1177
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:03,520
whatever it is or this thing
that's a vital to our faith in

1178
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:07,680
Heavenly Father and abiding his
laws first.

1179
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:15,280
Absolutely, absolutely.
I think, I think we have to have

1180
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:18,960
the right perspective, right?
We have to have an eternal

1181
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:24,480
perspective and that that takes
work to get there.

1182
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:30,600
But it it's not Herculean kind
of heavy lift kind of work,

1183
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:32,920
right?
It's usually doing the little

1184
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,560
things that that will get us
there.

1185
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:38,960
The root word of discipleship is
discipline.

1186
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:46,600
And discipline never sounds fun,
ever, right?

1187
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:51,480
I mean, you're either getting
disciplined or, or you're

1188
01:17:51,480 --> 01:17:56,160
practicing discipline, right?
You know who Jocko Willnick is?

1189
01:17:56,720 --> 01:18:00,640
I don't.
Jocko Willnick is a former Navy

1190
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:05,320
SEAL.
And then he came home and I

1191
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:10,240
mean, he was decorated too.
He was, he was like legendary in

1192
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:11,800
the teams from what I
understand.

1193
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:17,280
And he comes home and he ends up
starting a business and he

1194
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:23,000
starts writing a book because he
sees that that leadership is

1195
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:26,080
kind of waning.
So he writes a book called

1196
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:31,160
Extreme Ownership where he just
says, OK, if I can own it, I can

1197
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:35,160
fix it.
But he's got a great saying in

1198
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:41,480
there, which is discipline
equals freedom, which I really,

1199
01:18:41,480 --> 01:18:43,680
really like.
And I, I have found that to be a

1200
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:47,360
true principle that the more
you're disciplined, oddly

1201
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:49,240
enough, the more freedom you can
enjoy.

1202
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,600
But you've got to be disciplined
in those things.

1203
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:56,960
And when you're, when we're
doing the little things, we

1204
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,680
can't rely on motivation.
Motivation is fickle, right?

1205
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:02,920
Or at least it's fickle with me,
right?

1206
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:08,080
From from, you know, getting my
butt up and making sure I attend

1207
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:11,600
my meetings to making sure I
make it to the gym, right?

1208
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:15,240
There's just sometimes where I
am not motivated and that's

1209
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:19,440
where discipline has to kick in,
where it's just like, this is

1210
01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:23,880
what we do, right?
This is not negotiable.

1211
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:27,200
This is what we do.
And sometimes I think just

1212
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:30,720
getting into the practice with
you and your family of of saying

1213
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:33,960
prayers and reading scriptures
together will get us there.

1214
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:38,000
The discipline can carry it when
motivation leaves us high and

1215
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,120
dry.
Yeah, I think Brother Brigham

1216
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:46,760
touches on that subject too,
pretty importantly about I don't

1217
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:49,760
care what you feel like.
I don't care if your cows are in

1218
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:51,600
your corn.
Get down and say your prayers

1219
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:56,160
with your family first.
Yeah, yeah, that sounds like

1220
01:19:56,160 --> 01:20:00,120
something Brigham would say.
And back to that subject, you

1221
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:02,120
know.
How do you, how do you make that

1222
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:06,680
right choice and those kind of
things, part of that includes

1223
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:12,280
that disciplining your mind to
ask the question, what would God

1224
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:15,240
have me do first in this
situation?

1225
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:20,240
And I believe that if you ask
yourself that he's going to give

1226
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:23,760
you the right impression to
follow in that situation,

1227
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,280
whatever it is.
Absolutely.

1228
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:33,240
You know, that's that's a
really, really good point about,

1229
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:37,680
you know, disciplining your mind
even, which is hard work, right?

1230
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,080
I know, OK, this is a horrible
admission.

1231
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:44,720
Now you're going to see some of
my faults here.

1232
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:52,120
When I was, it was actually when
I was in college when I told you

1233
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:58,560
about I had picked up a bad meal
somewhere and I got salmonella,

1234
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:03,640
like way bad, like way bad.
Like I thought I was like dying.

1235
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,000
The symptoms were that bad,
right?

1236
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:08,600
Like, hey, it's been a good run,
but I might have to hit this

1237
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:14,680
time card a little early.
But all of a sudden there were

1238
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:17,160
certain foods I couldn't eat
anymore, right?

1239
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:19,480
Pasta and bread is one of them,
right?

1240
01:21:19,480 --> 01:21:24,960
I just, if I have especially
pasta, if I have just a little

1241
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:28,640
bit, my gut is tore up for the
next two weeks, right?

1242
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:30,760
Just pack it in.
You're done.

1243
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:39,480
And so I know this, right?
Like I knew this, this was, you

1244
01:21:39,480 --> 01:21:42,720
know, the doctor was like, look,
there's going to be some things

1245
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:45,360
that you'll never eat again and
some that you might be able to

1246
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:49,360
get eat to eat later, But most
likely American pasta.

1247
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:51,840
Nope, that's not for you
anymore, right?

1248
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:54,560
Tomatoes are going to be that
way for a little while and then

1249
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:56,600
it'll get better.
He was right.

1250
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:59,320
That doctor, I got to give him
credit, he was right.

1251
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:03,160
And I'm usually really hard on
doctors, but that dude was 100%

1252
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:07,600
correct.
So like, I get feeling better,

1253
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:10,040
right?
Because I'm a moron.

1254
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,760
I get I get feeling better and
all of a sudden we go out for

1255
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,600
dinner and I'm like, yeah,
lasagna sounds.

1256
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,040
Good.
Right, right.

1257
01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:21,200
Lasagna sounds like the way to
go.

1258
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:26,800
And I eat that and holy cow,
like, just tore me up.

1259
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:30,640
And I did it like you'd have
thought, like, OK, dude, you

1260
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:32,920
like, learn.
Are you ready to learn now?

1261
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:35,040
Oh, no.
I probably did it another four

1262
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:38,280
times before I got the message
that, yeah, there's no more

1263
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:41,240
pasta for me.
That's a lack of discipline

1264
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:46,000
right now.
Had I not ate the pasta, which

1265
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:49,640
would have took discipline, I
would have not have hurt, which

1266
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:54,480
meant I could do other things
rather than lay in bed and

1267
01:22:54,480 --> 01:23:00,160
writhe in pain and you know,
have have my dear sweet wife go.

1268
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:03,040
I told you right?
And she had every right to say

1269
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:05,080
it because she did.
She's like, Are you sure you

1270
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:09,840
want to do this?
I'm like, do this and then and

1271
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:13,080
then get hurt.
But she was 100% correct.

1272
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:17,080
But I would have had more
freedom to go do things with my

1273
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:21,120
kids to go on a hike, right,
rather than sit around the house

1274
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:25,400
because I'm a hurting unit.
And so we do find that that

1275
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:27,320
discipline can give us more
freedom.

1276
01:23:28,440 --> 01:23:32,080
But like anything else, you got
to, you got to hone it right.

1277
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:34,960
You can't just assume you're
going to have it.

1278
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:40,280
It takes work to get there.
So, but as we do this, I think

1279
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:46,120
from from the topic we're
talking about now, the payoff is

1280
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:49,240
beautiful, right?
You're going to be in tune.

1281
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:50,760
You're going to get the messages
that you.

1282
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:55,160
So Amin, you've kind of shared a
couple stories already.

1283
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:56,760
It doesn't have to be from
there.

1284
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:58,480
I'm not looking for that.
I'm not looking for

1285
01:23:58,480 --> 01:24:01,480
sensationalism, but what are
sometimes in your life where you

1286
01:24:01,480 --> 01:24:04,840
feel like you've been really in
tune and the Lord has blessed

1287
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:10,960
you?
Did I have some of you ready?

1288
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:17,880
What's that?
Well, I'll say that the

1289
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:23,720
situation with our little girl
was certainly one of them where

1290
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:29,280
we, we thought she had the flu
and then she got lethargic and,

1291
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:32,000
you know, wouldn't, wouldn't
respond.

1292
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,360
But we still didn't know if it
was just a high fever.

1293
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:38,840
And I, you know, this is my
first child and I didn't know

1294
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:40,720
for sure what we were dealing
with.

1295
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,360
And my brother-in-law saw her
and was like, you know, you

1296
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:47,160
really should take her in and
just make sure she's OK.

1297
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:53,200
And I started to feel the
impression that she might have

1298
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:56,160
meningitis, which, you know,
that's, that's the worst thing

1299
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:58,400
you want to feel like your child
has, right.

1300
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:06,920
And we went into the clinic and
the nurse came in and checked

1301
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,640
her and said she just got a
fever, you know, take her home,

1302
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:11,360
give her some juice, she'll be
OK.

1303
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:16,680
And I had this depression.
No, you need more than this.

1304
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:19,840
And so I'm like, she, you know,
she's not drinking.

1305
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,240
We can't do anything.
Can you get me somebody else?

1306
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:27,360
And though she goes and gets her
charging nurse and she comes and

1307
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:29,240
looks her over and she starts
saying the same thing.

1308
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:32,320
And then she takes a closer look
at her and says, get her to the

1309
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:35,400
hospital right now.
And I was so thankful.

1310
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:40,440
I felt that impression.
They say, you know, we need, we

1311
01:25:40,440 --> 01:25:42,760
need more because we're in
trouble.

1312
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:48,560
And the difference between
losing her life or not was

1313
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:52,360
really what that came down to at
that point, because we ended up

1314
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:55,320
running into the hospital and
they send us straight up to

1315
01:25:55,320 --> 01:26:01,480
primaries, got the tests in.
And I think, I think we're in a

1316
01:26:01,480 --> 01:26:04,200
matter of hours.
We could have lost her if we

1317
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:05,520
hadn't done that.
Wow.

1318
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:12,520
Oh.
That that'd be a one of the

1319
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:17,840
extreme ones in my life.
But yeah, those are the lessons

1320
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:23,120
we want to build around, right?
That's one of those stories that

1321
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:28,320
that I think we can really take
to the bank just so often when

1322
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,640
we follow the spirit, we don't
have a story to tell, right,

1323
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:34,840
because the Lord has kept us out
of danger, right.

1324
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:39,120
And so this is one of those
stories that that I think is, is

1325
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:41,800
illustrates that so well.
You were in a place where you

1326
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:46,880
could receive revelation and
when you had look, you're not a

1327
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:51,360
doctor, right?
You probably, you probably

1328
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:54,760
weren't super familiar with
meningitis, but something,

1329
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:58,800
something there, the spirit told
you, this is what it is.

1330
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:02,520
And to your credit, right, this
is a credit to you.

1331
01:27:03,480 --> 01:27:05,880
You held their feet to the fire.
You said no, no, no, no.

1332
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:08,200
There's something else going on
here and you need to take

1333
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:11,920
another look.
And because you did that, who

1334
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:14,640
knows how that story, like you
said, who knows how that story

1335
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:21,000
ends If, if you're not, if
you're not in able to feel the

1336
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:23,080
spirit at that point and get a
prompting.

1337
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:28,280
So let let me ask you this.
Did you realize in that moment

1338
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:30,720
that it was the Spirit telling
you that, or do you think that

1339
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:32,040
was something you thought about
later?

1340
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:36,720
I think I recognized after like
the moment I just followed the,

1341
01:27:37,480 --> 01:27:41,000
the feeling I felt and the, the
voice, you know, it wasn't me,

1342
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,240
but I wasn't sitting there
thinking, OK, I, you know, I've

1343
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:48,640
got it or anything like that.
It was just in full, just a

1344
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,640
simple obedience to the
impression you felt or I felt.

1345
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:57,640
And I think that whole
experience, I learned that the

1346
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:02,920
parents can be in tune enough
that often through that

1347
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:06,040
experience, we we had the
answers before the doctors on

1348
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:08,680
what she would need, what she
needed.

1349
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:12,880
And I'm sure you've been through
experiences like that with your

1350
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:17,080
children where in the hospital,
it's like, it's like you get the

1351
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:19,520
impression this is what my
child's dealing with right now.

1352
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:22,960
And the doctor comes in and
tells you everything's normal

1353
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:24,600
and you're like, no, we need
this.

1354
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:28,680
And my lesson became to learn to
follow that.

1355
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:35,200
We went through that. 100% I
just went through one just last

1356
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:39,480
week before Christmas with, with
our new little boy.

1357
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,560
Look, he was born premature
because he had to be right

1358
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:46,640
because of some medical things.
And so he started to get a

1359
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:49,040
little bit jaundiced, right?
And you know what that is?

1360
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:54,720
And it didn't surprise me a
whole bunch because that's what

1361
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:57,360
preemies do, right?
And then after about 5 days, it,

1362
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:01,040
it kind of goes away.
Tanya got a little concerned and

1363
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:02,840
she said, can you come look at
him with me?

1364
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:05,120
I'm like, sure, you know,
because I was in my office here

1365
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:07,560
working.
And so I was like, yeah, let me

1366
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:10,920
let let's go take a look.
And we go in there and he didn't

1367
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,680
look horrible, right?
Like I definitely had kids that

1368
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:18,360
were more jaundiced than what he
was, but something just didn't

1369
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:22,240
feel right, right?
He seemed a little lethargic and

1370
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,200
Tanya's like, you think we
should take him in?

1371
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:26,320
And I was kind of like, I don't
know.

1372
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:27,880
And then I just got this
impression.

1373
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:36,120
Go, just go, right?
And we went and when we got

1374
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:42,280
there, they took a blood sample.
Now a normal for for a normal

1375
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:45,080
person, jaundice levels are
pretty low, right?

1376
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:48,280
You're talking single digits,
the Billy ribbon.

1377
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:50,280
Excuse me.
That's the chemical that causes

1378
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:53,200
the jaundice.
Billy ribbon is, is pretty low

1379
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:56,880
single digits.
They start to worry about babies

1380
01:29:56,880 --> 01:30:00,920
at like a 12 count on your Billy
ribbon.

1381
01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:08,440
He was at 18 and so, but he
didn't look like he was that

1382
01:30:08,440 --> 01:30:10,280
jaundiced.
I mean, like if I was to put a

1383
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:12,600
number to it and, and again,
I've been through it 6 times.

1384
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:15,320
So I'm pretty not my first
rodeo, right?

1385
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:19,720
I, I would have guessed he was
at tops and eight, right?

1386
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:25,960
But he was at 18.
And the doctors at the, because

1387
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:29,480
we took him to a smaller ER
because it was closer.

1388
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:33,080
And I honestly thought I was
overreacting to a certain, at a

1389
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:36,520
certain level, right?
My, my, my, my mind was telling

1390
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:38,800
me, yeah, that you're going to
get in there, going to take a

1391
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,240
blood sample and they're going
to send you home, right?

1392
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:45,160
It was the spirit, it's my heart
that was telling me something

1393
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:46,920
different.
Exactly.

1394
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:49,880
And so we got to the when they
took the blood sample, they're

1395
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:55,520
like, you need to get to to the
hospital in Springfield now.

1396
01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:58,080
And I was like, are we going by
ambulance?

1397
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:01,040
And they're like, we don't have
an ambulance here right now.

1398
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:04,200
And if we were to wait to get
one from Springfield, it's going

1399
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:06,200
to be double the time.
So you're going to go on your

1400
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:10,080
own, but do not stop, right.
Like it's high enough that they

1401
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:13,480
start worrying about like can
affect your hearing, it can

1402
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:17,000
affect your vision.
It can give strokes like it was

1403
01:31:17,440 --> 01:31:23,800
go now, had I not listened to
Tanya and then listen to the

1404
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:27,160
spirit, who knows what that
looks like, right?

1405
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:32,720
And that's just recently, right?
And I was I was thinking about

1406
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:35,640
that later that night as
everything was calm.

1407
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:40,000
Tanya was sleeping, I was trying
to sleep.

1408
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:46,040
Asher was in his in his little,
it's not quite a crib.

1409
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:48,680
You know what I'm talking about
the little clear bassinet things

1410
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:52,040
that had a Billy light over the
top, a blue light.

1411
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:57,800
And I just remember I said a
prayer of Thanksgiving to the

1412
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:00,920
Lord that he had he'd worked
with me at that point.

1413
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:11,120
And I thought, man, what I do
that day that like, what did I

1414
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:15,520
do that day that allowed me to
stay in that, in that space, in

1415
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:19,000
that revelatory space?
And I was thinking back, I was

1416
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:23,880
like, I didn't do much right.
I, I guess I did a podcast and,

1417
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:26,440
and I did read my scriptures
this morning and we did say our

1418
01:32:26,440 --> 01:32:30,080
prayers.
I mean, there is that, But then,

1419
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:32,840
then I got a very distinct
message.

1420
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:36,920
Like it's enough, right?
Like that's, that's enough.

1421
01:32:37,440 --> 01:32:41,080
You, you tried and, and I'm
going to be here for you when

1422
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:46,920
you try, son.
And I guess that's where I'd

1423
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:51,600
wrap this all up at, right?
We live in some tremendously

1424
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:55,960
confused times and that's only
going to get worse.

1425
01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:02,840
And it's not, it's not really
super hard things that the Lord

1426
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:07,680
is asking us to do so that we
can extract what we need from

1427
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:11,840
the scriptures as a defense and
be open to revelation, which is

1428
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:16,000
personal scripture.
He's not asking for a lot.

1429
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:18,440
He's just asking for a little,
right?

1430
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:21,840
Do the little things and he can
come through for you.

1431
01:33:22,480 --> 01:33:25,840
And I'll turn it back over to
you now Ammon, to to wrap this

1432
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:27,280
up with anything else you want
to say.

1433
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:33,680
Well, thanks for that, Dave and
I in that experience I had when

1434
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:37,720
you, when you have your baby
dying in your arms, suddenly the

1435
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:40,520
things that really matter in the
life is all it counts to you.

1436
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:44,320
Everything else is silly waste
of time.

1437
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:52,840
You know, and family, God, your
religion, your belief in

1438
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:55,640
salvation, that that's what
becomes important all of a

1439
01:33:55,640 --> 01:34:03,200
sudden and having that closeness
with God, absolutely.

1440
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:10,520
That's what I learned.
No, I think, I think you're 100%

1441
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:14,200
correct.
And again, I go back to the

1442
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:16,800
account with the Savior right
where he repels those

1443
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:21,280
temptations with the scriptures.
If it's good enough for the

1444
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:23,520
Savior, it's good enough for us.
Right.

1445
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:26,040
We just got to get in there and
learn them.

1446
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:32,360
And, and I want to say this, so
many people think that they have

1447
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:37,600
to be a master scriptorian in
order to gain the effect of

1448
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:42,960
using the scriptures as that
sword that can, can defend

1449
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:48,760
against temptation or against
false messages or whatever the

1450
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:52,160
case is.
That's not the case.

1451
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:56,680
I have found right There have
been times where I have recalled

1452
01:34:56,680 --> 01:34:58,520
things that I had no business
recalling.

1453
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:03,960
Yeah, that.
That's how I am I.

1454
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:06,400
Can tell you.
I'm the worst.

1455
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:08,280
I'm the worst to just remember
in scripture.

1456
01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:12,920
I I read it and often I only
remember if it's something I

1457
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:17,080
need at that moment.
Right, right.

1458
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:22,080
But if we make, if we make the
effort, I think that's the

1459
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:25,800
promise, right?
That's, that's the promise.

1460
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:28,200
It's like, look, I understand
the the Lord tells us he

1461
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:31,360
understands our weaknesses and
if we work with him, he'll make

1462
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:35,960
our weaknesses, our strengths.
And so I may not always remember

1463
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:39,440
what book of scripture it came
out of, but usually I'm talking

1464
01:35:39,440 --> 01:35:42,080
to someone way smarter than me
so I can start quoting it and

1465
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:43,400
they'll be like, Oh yeah, that's
here.

1466
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:47,280
But nonetheless, it'll bring it
to your remembrance.

1467
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:53,520
And those scriptures have been
such, such a guide in my life.

1468
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:57,600
I do think I want to end with
with just this story here.

1469
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:00,720
And I don't know if I've ever
told this on the podcast before,

1470
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:05,480
but I'm no, I know I have, I
have, but I'll tell it again

1471
01:36:05,480 --> 01:36:10,000
here.
When I was first becoming a

1472
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:14,480
Mormon, the the lessons were
really, really structured.

1473
01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:19,320
It was like some pamphlets with
the reading assignment.

1474
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:21,000
And I think there was seven of
them.

1475
01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:29,840
And you, you were first given
the the pamphlet on, on, you

1476
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:31,880
know the Joseph Smith story,
right?

1477
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:34,640
He goes into the Grove, he he
prays.

1478
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:37,240
And then the Book of Mormon
comes and it's another record of

1479
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:41,080
Jesus Christ.
And the assignment that the

1480
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:45,040
missionaries left you with was
you were going to try Moroni's

1481
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:47,280
promise, right?
You were going to ask with

1482
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:53,280
sincere intent if the Book of
Mormon, if it's true, if Joseph

1483
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:56,000
Smith was a prophet and if the
the gospel is true.

1484
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:01,640
And so I was like, I'm going to
be honest with you.

1485
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:06,040
When Amber first came to me and
said, Hey, we're getting close

1486
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:09,520
to being married and we should
probably have this talk.

1487
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:11,920
I would like to raise the kids
LDS.

1488
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:15,360
Do you have a problem with that?
And I was like, sweetheart, some

1489
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:19,800
of my best designated drivers
were LDSI have no problems with

1490
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:22,240
that whatsoever.
And she said, well, would you

1491
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:23,920
like to know what your kids are
going to learn?

1492
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:28,200
And I'm like, not really right.
Like by this point, I'd put I'd

1493
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:33,040
put the idea of finding the one
true God and the 11 true system

1494
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:36,720
of religion out of my mind.
I just figured it didn't exist.

1495
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:40,440
I had friends that offered those
same designated drivers would be

1496
01:37:40,440 --> 01:37:42,320
like, well, if you're studying a
religion, you're going to study

1497
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:45,920
mine, right?
And I'm like, no, no, I'm not.

1498
01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:50,160
But thanks for offering because
there's no way a farm boy from

1499
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:52,920
upstate New York has anything
worthwhile to say.

1500
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:57,040
And she said, well, it would
really mean a lot to me and my

1501
01:37:57,040 --> 01:38:01,640
mom.
I said, it's going to smooth

1502
01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:04,800
things over with your mom.
She's like, it will sure help.

1503
01:38:05,560 --> 01:38:09,760
And I was like, fair enough.
I'll take the discussion on on

1504
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:13,920
on one condition.
If anybody asked me to get

1505
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:18,000
baptized, I am out of there.
I will shut that down and I will

1506
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:21,200
be done.
And that was the agreement.

1507
01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:25,600
So I have to go over to her
mom's house to take the lessons

1508
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:28,000
because at that time, I'm still
living at my mom's place.

1509
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:32,600
I'm only 17.
And my mom was like, yeah, you

1510
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:34,600
will not be taking those
discussions here.

1511
01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:38,680
You can take them over at
Amber's house.

1512
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:42,000
And so I had to go.
It was like a 30 minute drive.

1513
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:45,320
I had to go out to Amber's place
and take the discussions.

1514
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:49,440
So we take the first discussion
and I'm like, sweet, this was

1515
01:38:49,440 --> 01:38:50,360
awesome.
Thanks.

1516
01:38:50,480 --> 01:38:51,840
Right.
And they had a guest room.

1517
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:55,920
And so I was staying in the
guest room.

1518
01:38:56,200 --> 01:39:00,640
And then the next morning, Amber
and her mom, Amber was just

1519
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:03,520
graduating high school.
Amber and her mom were going up

1520
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:06,400
to a little resort town in Idaho
called McCall, where they were

1521
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:09,080
going to spend a good long
weekend just kind of

1522
01:39:09,080 --> 01:39:11,440
celebrating.
I had plants.

1523
01:39:11,440 --> 01:39:13,480
I was like, I'm going to go to
the river and I'm going to fish

1524
01:39:13,480 --> 01:39:15,160
and I'm going to camp because
that's what I did.

1525
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:21,480
I had my own little spot back
there that was all by itself.

1526
01:39:21,480 --> 01:39:25,560
And I it, it was kind of marked
by a tree that had no limbs.

1527
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:30,320
It had kind of been burnt.
But it kind of when you got out

1528
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:32,560
there, it was right along the
river and there was this little

1529
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:35,600
Eddy that kind of flowed in and
the water really slowed down.

1530
01:39:36,440 --> 01:39:40,320
And so I can always just throw
my wine in the water and just

1531
01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:45,560
catch what I was going to eat.
So I get home right after that

1532
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:48,720
discussion and I take all my
crap out of my bag and I throw a

1533
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:50,960
whole bunch of other crap in
there that I'm going to need

1534
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:57,160
right tackle bait a tent, right?
Not a tent, but, but like a

1535
01:39:57,160 --> 01:39:58,920
sleeping bag and some other
stuff.

1536
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:03,320
And I'm off and going right Park
my car there at the, at the, the

1537
01:40:03,320 --> 01:40:05,760
drop off point hike back to
three miles.

1538
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:09,320
By the time I get out there,
Amit, it is darn near pitch

1539
01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:11,480
black, right?
Like I can get out there.

1540
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:15,360
I can get my tent set up.
I got a fire built.

1541
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:20,840
I got my pole in the water and I
thought sweet, I'm ready to eat

1542
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:22,960
because I got a bunch.
I got some butter, I got some

1543
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:24,720
lemon, I got some salt and
pepper.

1544
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:27,240
Like going to be good fish,
right?

1545
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:32,280
Throw my line in the water and
it doesn't move for like 1/2

1546
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:34,680
hour, which is odd.
I'd always been able to get

1547
01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:37,520
there and within 5 to 10
minutes, I always had landed to

1548
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:42,520
fish and I couldn't, I could see
the fish move down there like I

1549
01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:46,760
would like turned my flashlight
on and you could see him down

1550
01:40:46,760 --> 01:40:49,120
there swimming around the line,
but they weren't taking it.

1551
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:52,200
And I was like, well, this
stinks, right?

1552
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:55,960
Because it's like a three, 2
1/2, three mile hike out of

1553
01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:58,960
there and there's no way I'm
making it in the dark.

1554
01:40:59,480 --> 01:41:03,600
So I'm like, I guess I'm just
going to sit here tonight, go

1555
01:41:03,600 --> 01:41:06,520
hungry, and then in the morning
I'll wake up and I'll go home

1556
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:10,760
and I'll eat.
I'm like, but it's only like

1557
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:13,960
9:00, right?
So I got a long night ahead of

1558
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:17,040
me and I'm just sitting there.
I'm like, I don't even know what

1559
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:19,240
I'm going to do now.
And I just happened to glance

1560
01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:23,320
over at that bag and I'd forgot
to take that little missionary

1561
01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:24,720
version of the Book of Mormon
out.

1562
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:28,080
I'm sitting there and I'm
looking around.

1563
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:32,480
I'm like, well, no one's here to
watch me.

1564
01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:34,520
So I'll guess I'll give this a
try.

1565
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:39,240
So I reread Moroni's Promise
again, and I'm going to be

1566
01:41:39,240 --> 01:41:43,400
honest with you, it sounded like
the Bible, right?

1567
01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:45,920
I wasn't too.
There was nothing there that

1568
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:50,360
really shook me, right?
Like, no, that's not it.

1569
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:53,120
So I kind of put the book back
down, look at my pole.

1570
01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:57,120
It's still just stationary, not
moving.

1571
01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:01,240
And I'm like, OK.
And I look at the book again and

1572
01:42:01,240 --> 01:42:04,680
I'm like, well, I mean, you're
not doing anything else.

1573
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:05,920
You might as well flip through
there.

1574
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:09,920
So I flipped through there and I
read probably a few different

1575
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:12,000
stories.
But the one that got me, the one

1576
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:17,760
that that that that made me
focus in was about Abinadi,

1577
01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:22,520
right when he's talking to the
pre, the the king, King Noah

1578
01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:26,080
there and his wicked priests.
And then he dies for what he

1579
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:29,520
believes.
That made a mark.

1580
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:36,760
And I thought, OK, all right,
well, I guess I can can pray

1581
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:40,560
about this now, right now, I
hadn't really prayed in quite

1582
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:46,120
some time, like at all.
And so I probably offered the

1583
01:42:46,120 --> 01:42:51,240
most rudimentary rough prayer
that has ever been given on the

1584
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:54,400
face of the earth.
And there was no miraculous

1585
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:55,800
vision.
There was nothing like that.

1586
01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:59,160
But there was a knowing, right?
I got up off my knees knowing

1587
01:43:00,440 --> 01:43:04,560
that this was all true and I
remember thinking, oh, I don't

1588
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:08,040
want to do this right.
I do not want to be a Mormon

1589
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:11,160
right?
Like let me be a Catholic 10

1590
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:14,280
times over, but please not
Mormonism.

1591
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:21,880
Nonetheless, I knew, but in my
arrogant 17 year old immature

1592
01:43:21,880 --> 01:43:25,640
mind, I thought I got God still,
right?

1593
01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:31,200
I because I told everybody,
everybody Ammon, that if anybody

1594
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:35,000
was to get asked me to be
baptized, I was getting out of

1595
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:37,040
there, right?
We were shutting it down.

1596
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:40,360
And look, this is western Idaho,
not a ton of teaching

1597
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:42,600
opportunities.
So you should be just glad

1598
01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:44,680
enough that someone's willing to
sit through these, right?

1599
01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:51,400
And so I think, hey, I'm cool
because everybody knows not to

1600
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:57,520
ask me to be baptized, right?
And I call up Amber when I get

1601
01:43:57,520 --> 01:44:00,240
home and I'm like, hey, what
discussion is it that they

1602
01:44:00,240 --> 01:44:03,640
usually ask you to be baptized?
She said, I think it's the 3rd

1603
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:05,760
or the 4th.
And I was like, perfect.

1604
01:44:06,280 --> 01:44:08,840
And she's like, you're still
determined not to be baptized,

1605
01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:10,440
aren't you?
And I'm like, Yep.

1606
01:44:11,200 --> 01:44:12,840
And then just kind of left it
there.

1607
01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:16,800
But I said, I still take the
discussions because, well,

1608
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:20,360
because I loved her and and I
wanted everything to be kosher.

1609
01:44:22,640 --> 01:44:25,720
Now, the two elders that taught
me, one was named Elder Peruca.

1610
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:29,440
He was from East Texas.
The other was Elder Ananich and

1611
01:44:29,440 --> 01:44:34,280
he was from Russia and he had
not been out very long from

1612
01:44:34,280 --> 01:44:37,400
Russia.
Like that first discussion, he

1613
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:41,640
could say Jesus Christ and Amen.
And that was about the extent of

1614
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:46,360
his English.
So the second discussion starts

1615
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:49,680
and I'm not even worried because
I know that the third and 4th is

1616
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:52,480
if, if the, if they're going to
feel froggy and jump and then

1617
01:44:52,480 --> 01:44:55,160
ask me to be baptized, it's
going to be during those two

1618
01:44:55,160 --> 01:44:58,760
lessons.
So I have nothing to worry about

1619
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:01,360
Ammon.
I'm like, I'm totally relaxed,

1620
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:05,120
right?
So Elder Peruca starts to teach

1621
01:45:05,120 --> 01:45:09,280
the lesson and that rush that
elder from Russia, Elder Ananich

1622
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:12,840
man, he like locked eyes with me
and wouldn't stop.

1623
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:16,400
And I'm thinking to myself, This
is why the KGB was so effective,

1624
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:18,680
because I'm about ready to spill
my guts to this guy.

1625
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:22,520
Like he, he was just mad dogging
me the whole time.

1626
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:26,400
And part I remember at one point
I'm like, are we going to have

1627
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:28,240
problem?
Like that was some of my

1628
01:45:28,240 --> 01:45:30,320
thoughts.
Like it was an intense stare.

1629
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:36,960
And then so they're about like
they're about halfway through

1630
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:40,760
that second lesson and it was
like on priesthood, right?

1631
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:46,880
It wasn't nowhere near baptism.
And all of the sudden, Elder

1632
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:50,800
Ananich just takes his hand and
puts it on Elder Perucca's knee.

1633
01:45:51,240 --> 01:45:53,840
And Elder Peruca kind of jumps
and looks at him.

1634
01:45:54,280 --> 01:45:57,320
And then Elder Ananich without,
I swear he didn't blink that

1635
01:45:57,320 --> 01:45:59,960
whole, that whole lesson.
He didn't blink.

1636
01:46:00,480 --> 01:46:03,920
He just goes and, and, and the
worst English I've ever heard,

1637
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:11,400
he goes, would you be baptized?
And I'm like, I'm it, I'm like,

1638
01:46:11,800 --> 01:46:13,440
how?
Right.

1639
01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:17,680
And at that point, I'm done dead
to rights.

1640
01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:22,080
I've already received my answer.
And I just and oh, everybody's

1641
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:24,080
face in there.
So it was Amber, her mom, the

1642
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:27,480
two elders and me, and then
another man named Gary who

1643
01:46:27,480 --> 01:46:29,400
really helped me come along in
the gospel.

1644
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:34,600
When when they said that you
could hear the collective right,

1645
01:46:34,600 --> 01:46:38,440
just kind of that gasp.
They, they knew what was

1646
01:46:38,440 --> 01:46:42,920
supposed to be coming and I just
sat there and I looked at Amber

1647
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:44,960
and I hung my head and I just
said yes.

1648
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:51,240
Now why do I tell that story?
I tell that story for two

1649
01:46:51,240 --> 01:46:55,040
reasons and it's 2 reasons you
and I talked about here tonight.

1650
01:46:55,520 --> 01:47:02,560
1 The scriptures have the power
to change hearts and minds when

1651
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:09,240
read sincerely.
When the doctrine distills on

1652
01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:15,000
your heart and finds place in
your heart, it absolutely makes

1653
01:47:15,320 --> 01:47:17,400
good men better and bad men
good.

1654
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:24,760
Second, Elder Ananich did not
matter if he knew English didn't

1655
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:28,280
matter.
He was obviously a man that put

1656
01:47:28,280 --> 01:47:31,240
himself in the right place to
get the revelation he needed at

1657
01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:35,680
the right time to ask a 17 year
old snot nosed kid who thought

1658
01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:43,520
he had God beat and went against
his his his senior companions

1659
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:50,040
advice, not advice command and
asked me to be baptized.

1660
01:47:50,680 --> 01:47:53,840
He received the word of God in
that moment.

1661
01:47:56,520 --> 01:48:03,560
I am not.
I do not have the fullness of

1662
01:48:03,560 --> 01:48:08,080
joy I feel like I have now
without both the Canon of

1663
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:11,520
scripture and the Word of God
that someone was willing to give

1664
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:15,840
me at that time.
I am not here talking to you.

1665
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:27,640
I am not here with my wife Amber
and probably and my 6 kids with

1666
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:29,640
her.
I am not here with Tanya and

1667
01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:33,520
this new baby.
I don't know about the blessings

1668
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:36,720
of the temple that would be gone
over later.

1669
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:40,360
That did give me the answers to
everything I was really

1670
01:48:40,360 --> 01:48:42,280
searching for about what
happened to my old man.

1671
01:48:44,240 --> 01:48:49,200
That's the power of scripture.
It can defend, it can prick the

1672
01:48:49,200 --> 01:48:52,200
heart.
It can come to us through

1673
01:48:52,200 --> 01:48:56,560
revelation, which can greatly
bless our lives.

1674
01:48:57,600 --> 01:49:03,560
And I, I feel I want to say this
too, and then I'll really wrap

1675
01:49:03,560 --> 01:49:09,680
it up.
We're going to be asked in the

1676
01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:16,040
near future to probably say some
things that we don't want to

1677
01:49:16,040 --> 01:49:18,080
say, right?
Where we're going to have to

1678
01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:22,560
stand up for truth, all of us,
whether you're LDS, whether

1679
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:25,560
you're a fundamentalist, it does
not matter.

1680
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:29,040
We're going to be in the in the
times very soon.

1681
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:33,240
I don't know when, but very soon
that we're going to have to

1682
01:49:33,240 --> 01:49:36,320
stand for truth and we're going
to have to be able to get

1683
01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:39,120
ourselves in line so that we can
receive the word of the Lord and

1684
01:49:39,120 --> 01:49:40,960
give it to somebody else as
needed.

1685
01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:44,560
And it's our job to make sure
that we're living in that

1686
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:47,480
revelatory space.
But if we take the Scripture

1687
01:49:47,480 --> 01:49:51,120
seriously, if we could all, if
we pick up that sword of the

1688
01:49:51,120 --> 01:49:55,160
Spirit, those scriptures and get
into them, we can do that.

1689
01:49:55,400 --> 01:49:57,920
And Ammon, I'll wrap it up right
there.

1690
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:01,000
Is there anything else you want
to say before we we pull the

1691
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:04,080
eject button here?
Well, just as you were telling

1692
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:10,520
that story, it really came to
mind that Jebus Smith, when he

1693
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:14,080
went, when here he seemed that
first vision, he was dealing

1694
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:18,200
with all that uncertainty and
all that fear, all this same

1695
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:20,800
thing.
And then he was reading the

1696
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:25,880
scripture, that word of God told
him what to do, but he also had

1697
01:50:25,880 --> 01:50:29,160
to follow an impression, to go
out and ask question.

1698
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:32,840
And so he fulfilled this whole
lesson we've talked about here

1699
01:50:32,840 --> 01:50:37,840
today and changed our lives,
both of us and most of our

1700
01:50:37,840 --> 01:50:40,640
listeners here too.
Absolutely.

1701
01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:47,000
Well, Ammon, I'll tell you what
you you as old as as you did

1702
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:48,640
before you knocked it out of the
park.

1703
01:50:49,160 --> 01:50:52,320
I'm thankful that that you
decided to come on and and I'm

1704
01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:54,880
thankful I I'm thankful I get to
count you as a friend.

1705
01:50:54,880 --> 01:50:57,840
I really do.
I think the world of you, I

1706
01:50:57,840 --> 01:51:00,080
think you got so much good work
ahead of you.

1707
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:03,840
I'm excited for you.
Thanks for coming on, brother.

1708
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:07,080
Hey, thank you, Dave.
Appreciate it so much.

1709
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:09,120
You bet.
Hang out five minutes.

1710
01:51:09,120 --> 01:51:09,920
All right?
Yeah.

1711
01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:12,160
All right.
Bye everybody.