Episode #217: The Need For A Restoration PT 1-Personal Restoration W/Braxton Bogard

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The man, the myth, the legend.
Braxton Bogart.

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How you doing dude?
I am blessed and highly favored

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of the Lord.
How are you dude?

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I used to have those feelings
too, right after finals.

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So I get it.
Yeah.

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I don't, you know, I don't envy
you having to go back through

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that again.
Like if I had to do that again,

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I'm not sure I have the stamina
these days.

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Those those were long, rough
days.

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So I'm I'm certainly sympathetic
and also very grateful you

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carved out some time to be here,
not just this time, but but like

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in a week from now, you're going
to jump back on and we're going

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to finish this.
That's right.

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So I am super excited now.
Are you familiar with the movie

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Patton that was made by Francis
Ford Coppola?

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You know, I have to regret to
say that I've not seen it, but I

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am aware of its existence.
OK, great movie.

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Great movie.
OK, Rommel was a guy who was

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just an absolute brilliant
tactician on the battlefield,

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especially when it came to
infantry and tanks.

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Like he was stellar.
Now there's there's some debate

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on whether Patton really said
this or not.

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Coppola did include it in his in
his movie.

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And whether it's true or not, it
doesn't kind of matter because

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it's a super awesome statement.
But, and we do know that Rommel,

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I mean that, that Patton did do
what he said he did here, and

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I'm going to explain it.
Right.

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So Patton reads Rommel's book on
infantry and maneuvers.

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He gets to Africa, where he's
fighting Rommel, and he starts

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to gain the upper hand.
And in the movie, and there's

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some accounts in history, we
don't have enough to say for

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sure that it happened.
Patton jumped up in his Jeep and

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yelled across the battlefield.
Rommel, I read your book, right?

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Meaning he knows what what
Rommel's about to do.

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Now we're going to come back to
that in just a second.

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The reason I tell that story is
for quite a few years now,

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Mormons have been beat up
because and largely by our

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sectarian Christian brothers and
sisters, usually those at

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leadership about our origins.
And they'll say things like you

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don't need a restoration and you
can't trust Joseph Smith.

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Well, to them, I would say, I
haven't read your book, but I'm

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pretty sure Braxton has.
So that's what we're going to

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get in tonight.
We're we're going to start

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talking, talking about some of
those early councils, right?

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And what those councils were
actually about and why it

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absolutely screams the need that
we need a revelation.

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And Braxton, I'm glad you're
here for it 'cause you really

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have read their books, right?
I mean, like you were trained in

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the ministry through kind of a,
a sectarian Christian thing,

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right?
We talked about that.

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We talked about that last time
you were on.

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And by the way, that podcast got
rave reviews.

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So good on you.
So you, you know, you did it to

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yourself.
You set the bar high.

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But I have a strange feeling
you're about to come through

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with flying colors, my man.
I appreciate that.

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We'll see what we can do.
I mean, you're right.

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This, this doctrine is that the
idea of a restoration is

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important.
It is essential.

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It is vital.
I, I do have little respect for

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the Protestant pushback on the
doctrine of an apostasy.

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It doesn't make any sense to me.
Why aren't you Catholic then?

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Or Orthodox at the very most,
right?

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If there was no apostasy, there
is no need for a new church.

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But yeah, so let's let's see
what we can do, right?

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Dive in.
OK, awesome.

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Now part of this discussion, and
that is the first part, I want

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to focus not so much on the
historical as the theological.

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That is, I think we need to see
the philosophical and the

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theological underpinnings of the
doctrine of the apostasy and

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restoration.
OK but if you use big words you

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got to explain it to me.
Will do cuz I'm feeling this

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book doesn't have pictures so
I'm in trouble.

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It does not.
I'm not a picture guy myself.

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So what do I mean philosophical
and theological underpinnings?

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What are the foundations of our
understanding of this doctrine

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of apostasy and restoration?
How do we understand it on a

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theological level?
I'm going to, I'm going to

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propose here in my view that the
doctrine of the apostasy and

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restoration is dogmatic in our
faith.

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It is necessary.
What I mean by that is it's

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necessary for us to believe and
practice in this doctrine in

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latter day St. tradition in
Mormonism.

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We have to believe it.
If you do not believe it, it's

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like I was saying about the
Protestants.

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It doesn't make any sense,
right?

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Right.
It's, it's foundational and

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essential, essential to who we
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In one sense, that's true
institutionally because like I

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said, without the apostasy,
there's no need for a restored

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church.
On the other hand, it's also

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true because restoration, and
this is the theological part and

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that I want us to get into and
focus on for a little bit.

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Restoration is the work that God
is doing within us, something

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that I want to explain.
So this, this is the cool part

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about this doctrine that I love
so much and I love history, I

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love philosophy, I love these
things, but this is really the

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core as I grow in as a disciple.
So, and I want to stop for a

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moment and explain why I'm
starting here, OK?

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I fear that too often, and this
is definitely something that's

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true with the way critics of the
restored gospel approach our our

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beliefs and how some of us,
including myself, I've been

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guilty of in the past, approach
that approach our our faith.

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We too often get caught up in
the academic and historical and

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ignore the spiritual matters
that that really are the the

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most important part.
And, and what I want to do is

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begin by explaining how the how
the idea of apostasy and

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restoration changes us.
What can it do when we believe

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what we profess and believe?
How does this make us a better

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person, a disciple of Christ?
How does it transform us?

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What is the transformative power
of saying, you know, that these

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guys came through and ripped
apart the the Christian faith

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and doctrine and the Scriptures?
Those things are historical and

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true, but what does it do to us?
Well, how does it affect us as

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people, as people of God?
Now, I don't mean I when I start

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this way, like I said, we're
going to talk about next week.

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I don't mean to ignore the
historical or say that it's not

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as important, but I understand
that the restoration makes a

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number of historical claims that
have to be tested to ensure

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grounding in reality in in the
reality of the historical

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record.
But also I would rather I want

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us to ground ourselves in
spirituality first so that we

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can see all things as a means to
an end and that end is a

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relationship with the God of the
restoration.

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If, if you're understanding that
Catholicism, I would say ruined

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everything.
Not, not really.

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They ruined they there was a lot
of things that a lot of bad

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things that came out of the
apostasy.

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But if we're going to claim this
and yet it doesn't lead us on to

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something better and lead us on
in the relationship with God.

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If it's just a means to get
points, then it is not the faith

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that we want to proclaim and
it's not a faith it's life

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changing at all.
Does that make sense?

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Or no, it makes total sense.
Can I ask a question real, real

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fast here Yeah, before we dig
into to yours and.

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And it is a little bit of
history and it's a little bit of

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what it is today, I guess.
But I, I, I want to do this so

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that everybody has kind,
everybody understands the

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terrain on which we're playing,
so to speak.

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Yeah.
For a a typical evangelical or

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sectarian Christian, not Eastern
Orthodox, not a Catholic.

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Sure.
They claim that there was no

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need for a restoration, right?
Right.

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And you kind of brought this up
if there was no need for a

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restoration.
I understand that Luther is a

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reformer, but he does seem to
want to restore a few things,

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right?
Oddly enough, plural marriage

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was on the books.
And so I, I, I'm curious, how do

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they get it?
How, how does how does the mind

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of of that sectarian Christian
work its way around that?

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There are a few approaches.
Yeah, it seems like it's kind of

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at odds with each other, right?
Right, it, it doesn't seem to

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make a lot of sense And, and I
actually, I get this like I've

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asked this question.
I, I, I think the Lord that I

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was raised in a church, even if
it weren't, even if we're very

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different from the restore
church, but I was raised in a

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church that believed in
restoration, believed there was

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an apostasy.
You know, I grew up reading, we

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had this Seminole text in the
churches of Christ, the

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Campbellites called falling away
in restoration.

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You know, that was foundational
belief for those in the

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Campbellite movement.
And, and so I always wondered, I

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had the same question, how do
you, how do you get around this?

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If you're an evangelical, you
proclaim that there was no

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apostasy, there's no need for
restoration.

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And yet you proclaim that
Catholics, not all evangelicals

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will say this, but many
evangelicals, evangelicals

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believe that Catholics by virtue
of being Catholic will go to

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hell.
Anti Catholic rhetoric is very

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common in the Protestant
movement and such as such to the

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extent that it's exclusionary to
the salvation of Catholics.

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And one of the most common
responses you'll hear that I've

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encountered with this idea how
to answer that question.

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The how the evangelical answers
this question is to state that

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well yes, the church twisted all
this stuff.

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However, the the beliefs that we
proclaim in the evangelical

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church, the beliefs that we
proclaim in Protestantism, of

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sola scriptura and sola fide
sola gratia, all these different

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solas, that is the grace alone,
faith alone, Scripture alone.

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We're always preserved, even if
in secret.

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There was always a little tiny,
even if a tiny body of

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believers.
I get you.

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That's pretty much where it
goes.

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And it, and it seems illogical.
And, and I tend to illustrate

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that with the idea of sola
scriptura, you know, the idea

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that the scriptures were
perfectly preserved.

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There's not a single extant
manuscript of the original

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autographs.
We call the autograph that is

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the original writing of the, of
the text of the Old Testament or

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the New Testament.
It doesn't exist.

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So to say that it's perfect is,
is utterly illogical, right?

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We don't, we cannot prove
whether the text is perfect or

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not because we have, we don't
have the original to compare it

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to.
Now, textual criticism in the

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comparative method may exist and
we can get a good, good

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understanding of what the
original text look like, looked

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like, but we can't prove beyond
a shadow of a doubt one way or

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another.
So it's a moot point in my view.

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But the same goes with this is a
doc, this is an understanding

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that's unprovable in history.
It flies in the face of the fact

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that the earliest church fathers
don't teach these doctrines that

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the evangelical churches are
proclaiming, such as sola fide

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or sola scriptura or sola
gratia.

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And and it's just, it's, it just
feels like a cop out.

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It's moot.
It's it's and I feel like the

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historical record just
demonstrates the exact opposite.

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You know, it, it's, it's
interesting you bring that up a

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little bit too, because excuse
me, Mormonism, you start out

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like one of the first things you
start out with in the articles

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of faith is we believe the Bible
is correct and as far as it's

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translated correctly, right?
And so, so while that may not be

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able to be proven with certain
texts, like you were just

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saying, right, we don't have the
original.

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Would you call them signatures
or?

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The autographs, yeah.
Autographs.

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Excuse me, we don't have the
original autographs, but neither

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do the Protestants.
No, right?

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And so their claims are no less
or no more than ours, right?

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So in theory, the only thing we
left with is going as far back

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as we could in the history and
see what early Christians

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believed on certain things,
right?

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Precisely.
That's exactly right.

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Yeah, we, we can look to, you
know, there are two sources in

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my view, for faith and practice
that will help us understand

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what the early church is
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And that is the, the Scriptures
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of the early Christians and the
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Christians, particularly those
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apostles.
And, and this doesn't mean that

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every single thing is going to
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It they're, they're gonna,
they're bound to be changes that

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occur.
But it is, it's a good way to

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determine what the early church
was thinking about and what they

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were looking at, how they
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And I can tell you they
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markedly differently than than
evangelicals will.

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And I I would also contend in in
certain ways they they markedly

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differ from how Catholics and
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No, I like it.
All right.

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Thanks for entertaining that
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Sure thing.
It's good stuff.

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I'll.
Dig in when you are.

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All right, so that that being
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get into this, the meat of this
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I want to ask a question to you.
Have you ever thought about what

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the restoration of the gospel
has to do with McDonald's?

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The wrestling?
They both love to see me smile.

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I.
Don't even they do, don't they?

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Men are that they might have
joy, and joy is found in a

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McDonald's hamburger.
Look, look, here's what I've

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said about McDonald's.
OK, Is it gourmet?

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Absolutely not.
But if you're in the airport,

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that's your safest bet.
Oh yeah.

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That's your safest bet to avoid
salmonella.

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I'm just saying.
That's right.

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It's true.
It's good stuff.

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It'll it'll get you through.
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And it's cheap too.
So there's a thing.

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You need right there in the
airport.

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Exactly.
So, yeah, the restored gospel,

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McDonald's.
What?

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What are we, what are we talking
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And it, you know me, you know,
I'm, I'm a nerd and I love

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linguistics.
So we're going to do it again,

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and we're going to talk.
Linguistics.

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And rude words.
So McDonald's is a restaurant,

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and we don't often think about
this, but the word restaurant

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and restoration come from the
same word.

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They come from the same root,
right?

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Yeah.
So the word restor.

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Yeah, Go ahead.
Oh, I was just saying, huh?

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Like, yeah, wow.
Just pondering it.

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So originally, so the the word
restoration comes into English

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in around the 14th century and
it means, it means to the verb

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to restore it.
It's a old French word and it

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takes on this connotation to to
cure, to heal, to bring back to

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a vigorous or life, lifeful
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And a restaurant was originally
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restores us.
We're famished.

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We need to be healed, we need to
be cured.

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We need to to come back to get
some nutrition in US.

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And so we eat and where do we go
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We go to the place that's going
to give us that life, that

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revitalization that we need.
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And so I mentioned that and
bring it up to start with this

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foundation that the restoration
of the gospel, the restoration

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is given to us in order that,
and this is, this is what we

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need to understand.
The restoration is given to us

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in order that we might
experience healing and life.

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Oh, I love that there is a lot
there to go to unpack from a

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spiritual sense, right, right
when when you were saying part

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of the goal of a restaurant was
to reinvigorate, right?

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I'm like, there is a lot of
truth to that, right?

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So much of of kind of the
typical church experiences, you

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show up, you throw a few bucks
in the collection plate, you say

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what you need to say, and you're
back home, back in your normal

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groove, right.
I always figured if religion is

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true, it should demand a little
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It should be vigorous, right?
And when you use the word

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vigorous, I couldn't think of a
better way to describe the

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restoration as presented by
Joseph Smith.

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Right.
And and we'll talk about you,

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you mentioned about that about
the demand.

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We'll we'll talk a little bit
about that in a later, later on

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down the line here.
And but it's so true, right?

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So everything is sacred and
everything is ritual.

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You know, there is, there is an
inherent connection in

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everything we do and the world
around us to the divine, you

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know, everything that God has
given us.

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You know, when we work, that's
something waking up and going to

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sleep when you rise and when you
lie down, all these things

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connect us to to the Father and
and food is one of them

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restoration.
So, you know, next time you're

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grabbing your burger, remember,
you know just all the things

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that God is doing to give you
life and to restore you to who

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He wants you to be.
Yeah, I could go there or I

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could think.
Every time I cook a steak or

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smoke a brisket, I'm
participating in the restoration

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again.
See, that's even better.

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That's what I'm saying.
Praise God, that's what I'm

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saying.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

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It's a, it's a holy endeavour.
Thanks for making that

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connection for me.
We could wrap it up now.

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I feel like I've been edified.
We're good.

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Praise the Lord, thank God for
brisket.

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Check.
So, so let's let's illustrate

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this from the scriptures a
little bit about the restoration

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and and giving life.
So we'll go 1st to the 3rd

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chapter of Acts.
This isn't going to be anything

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novel to a latter day St.
audience, a Mormon audience.

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They they know this passage
well, most of them can quote it

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from memory.
So you have here in the 3rd

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chapter of Acts, the 21st verse.
Read this real quick here, let's

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see here.
So I'll start Yep, in verse,

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verse 18.
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Peter is giving, is is preaching
to some Jews.

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But those things which God had
before had showed by the mouth

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of all his prophets, that Christ
should suffer, he hath so

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fulfilled.
Repent ye therefore, and be

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converted, that your sins may be
blotted out, when the times of

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refreshing shall come from the
presence of the Lord, and he

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shall send Jesus Christ, whom ye
have crucified, which before was

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preached unto you, whom the
heavens must receive, that is,

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Jesus, until the times of
restitution of all things which

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God hath spoken by the mouth of
all His holy prophets since the

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world began.
I.

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See.
So.

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Rest there that that thing about
refreshing us, right?

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Yeah, rest refreshing.
And notice what it also says,

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the restitution of all things.
So that restitution word, this

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is this is another thing we need
to focus on real quick.

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So the Greek word here is a
pocket of stasis, and that's the

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noun form.
There's A and in in Bauer's

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lexicon, you know, it says it's,
it's about bringing everything

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to perfection, bringing
everything back to its starting

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point.
This is good to normal in the in

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the political context, in early
Greek literature, it refers to

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normal conditions and stability.
So in a government, there's

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government context to this to
change in the in the the verb

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form apocryphistami, it's about
to change to an earlier good

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state or a condition.
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alluding to the need of a
restoration at some point,

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understanding at some point
everything's going to be lost

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and it's going to need to be
restored.

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Things are going to be restored
and, and, and part of this

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resolution of all things is what
is what Joseph Smith is going to

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talk about.
You'll see it in in teachings of

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the Prophet Joseph Smith
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I think it's like in the 300,
between 320 and 350, somewhere

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in there.
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been had in any dispensation
will be brought back.

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All the keys are going to be
melded together.

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All the ordinances, everything
from the past, the present, the

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future is all going to come
together at a head in this

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dispensation.
It's why in the Doctrine and

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Covenants what 128 he talks
about, all the things from the

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past that had been revealed and
lost are going to come back,

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things that have never been yet
revealed, and all these things

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are all going to come together.
And it's the restitution of all

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things.
Everything is being made right

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again.
Everything's being brought back

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to its original condition.
But also let's not forget it

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says the restitution of all
things, all things.

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These times are refreshing and
we didn't read this script if

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but if you go back to the
beginning of the chapter, it

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starts out the the impetus for
this sermon is here.

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Now Peter and John went up
together into the temple at the

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9th hour for prayer.
And a certain man lame from his

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mother's womb was carried, whom
they lay daily at the gate of

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the temple, which is called
beautiful to ask alms of them.

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Now beautiful is what Nauvoo is
Nauvoo in Hebrew, right?

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That's what Joseph Smith says to
ask alms of them, then enter the

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temp into the temple.
Who's seeing Peter and John

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about to go into the temple
asked in alms.

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And so anyway they asked Peter
and John.

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This man asked Peter and John if
he can if if he can spare him

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some alms and Peter said silver
and gold.

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This is his response.
It's so beautiful.

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Peter says silver and gold.
Have I none but such as I have

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give Ivy in the name of Jesus
Christ of Nazareth rise up and

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walk and so they heal him and he
is able to get up.

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He walks for the first time in
his entire life.

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He was he was restored.
All these people come up to him.

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They're they're seeing him
walking and praising God and

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like what's going on?
Tell me about this.

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And so he preaches and that's
what he gets to this idea of the

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restitution of all things.
It's interesting that the

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restoration of all things here
is also included in the context

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of the healing of a man, the
restoring of a man back to his

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proper state. 100 percent, 100%.
And look, it's been my

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contention for a while, you
cannot fully enjoy the benefits

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of the Atonement, I don't think,
without taking upon yourself

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certain covenants as well,
right?

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And if, if we're believers in
the temple, which we are, then

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those covenants we understand
are from the very beginning of

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all things, right?
And so in a very real sense, if

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we want to enjoy the fullness of
of what Christ has to offer us,

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we've got to do it through
covenant, and those would have

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to be restored.
Exactly.

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They all have to be brought
back.

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Everything has to be lived out.
And you know, this may sound

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abstract to be talking about,
you know, the theology of

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restoration and the healing of a
man and how it relates what God

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is doing with us.
But it is vitally important to

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understand this, that the
restoration of the Church,

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bringing it back to its proper
order and condition and state,

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is merely in the similitude or
in the likeness of what God and

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Christ and God in Christ wants
to do with our hearts.

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See, Christ restored the Church
in His day, and why?

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Why did He have to restore it?
What was wrong?

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The hearts of men had become
hardened and they had set hedges

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around the law.
This is this is what's called

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the oral law.
So they had this perfect law

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that was given by the Father and
they're like, we got a, we got

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to put hedges.
Now whether, whether it was done

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in good faith, that's, that's
fine.

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We can acknowledge that they
were just trying to do the right

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thing.
They wanted to follow the law,

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but they started getting rigid
and they were unable to move.

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And so they start making these
rules that are foreign to the

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text saying you can't walk this
number of steps on the Sabbath

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day, right?
You can't do this or that you

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can't heal people on the
Sabbath, you know, and, and

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Christ responds to that, right?
What you can't do good on the

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Sabbath.
What do you mean?

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And this hardness and rigidity
that they did in good with good

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intent in the beginning turned
into this place where their

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hearts were so far from him that
that's the thing that Christ

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came to tear down and wanted to,
to get through to in your

450
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:57,360
hearts, right?
That, that thing that Ezekiel

451
00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:01,120
talks about, that's the
restoration that he speaks of in

452
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,440
Ezekiel 32.
Is it where he says there's a

453
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,600
29, you know, I'm, I'm going to
take that heart of stone out and

454
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,480
replace it with the, the heart
of flesh that's beating and

455
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,760
alive.
He, he wants to restore our

456
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:20,320
hearts.
So God is doing something within

457
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,400
us that is is is more wonderful
than we can imagine, and that is

458
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:29,160
taking broken people who used to
be perfect and making them,

459
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,800
putting them back together,
making them whole again, right?

460
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,840
So restoration works on the
macro and the micro, right?

461
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:41,320
The macro being the Kingdom, the
micro being each individual in

462
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,040
his time and in his place with
an encounter with the Savior.

463
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,600
That's right.
And and and my contention is

464
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,400
that the the the apostasy in the
restoration, though they are

465
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,840
philosophical necessities, that
is they're bound to occur.

466
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,840
They're going to occur and they
they it's the process things go

467
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,000
to those things are merely just
a likeness.

468
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,240
They're meant to symbolize for
us to give us a picture on the

469
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,040
broader scale what God is trying
to do to each and every one of

470
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:19,840
us individually, right.
Christ calls the church a

471
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,200
hospital.
He says it's not the healthy

472
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,000
that that need a doctor, it's
the sick.

473
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,400
That's right.
God is seeking an institution

474
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,120
that is about mending broken
things.

475
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,720
Sometimes that's the church that
needs mending.

476
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,040
Sometimes that's the institution
and its proclamations, its

477
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:47,480
beliefs, its doctrines.
And more often than not, it's

478
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,000
the heart that needs restoration
and reformation.

479
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,880
You know, it's so fascinating.
I couldn't help but go to

480
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,240
certain things people had said
when they heard the gospel or

481
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,080
learn the principle.
I think it was Lorenzo Snow,

482
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,880
don't quote me, who when he
hears about the doctrine of

483
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:11,400
sealing husband to wife and he
I, I believe he was already a

484
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:17,360
widower widower once and he
doesn't say it, but he says

485
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,360
something interesting when he
finds out about this.

486
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:24,160
He said, I feel now like I can
love with a with abandoned

487
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,760
right, or something to that
effect.

488
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:32,080
And as I thought about what he
meant there, I couldn't help but

489
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,600
wonder if he wasn't talking
about maybe feeling a tinge of

490
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,160
guilt that he got remarried,
right.

491
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,680
And when Joseph comes along and
he explains the doctrine of

492
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:48,000
sealing and how the how marriage
is different in the Kingdom, all

493
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:53,040
the sudden Lorenzo can go.
I don't have to have this guilt

494
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:53,920
anymore.
I don't have.

495
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,840
And this is just me putting
words in his mouth, right?

496
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,120
I want to say that.
But as I thought about it, I

497
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,600
could see where that would free
somebody up, right?

498
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,240
Like I can just love now.
I don't have to worry about

499
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,880
prioritizing one love of my life
over another.

500
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,360
Right.
And so wow, that's, that's a

501
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,680
deep insight there.
And yeah, but none of that's

502
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,440
possible without restoration.
Well, on the macro, right, with

503
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,920
Joseph expounding these things,
then on the micro being able to

504
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:31,480
internalize them as individuals?
Yeah, exactly.

505
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,040
Awesome.
Right.

506
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,840
And and that's what it is, is it
is it transforms us to love and

507
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,760
it increases our capacity to
love.

508
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,240
Anytime you engage in the
ordinances of the gospel become

509
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,840
restored through them the
covenant, each covenant you make

510
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,200
restores you.
It makes you more and more

511
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,160
whole, right?
It expands your capacity to

512
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,800
love, right.
This is why many of of the

513
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,280
leaders of you know the
fundamentalist movement have

514
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,240
have testified Many people who
are fundamentalist will testify

515
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:12,200
my capacity similar to my
capacity to grow and love as I

516
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,440
have more children, my capacity
to love my wives more wives I

517
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:21,160
have you know, also increases my
you know you would know that

518
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,280
from experience.
Your capacity to love your first

519
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:30,200
wife increased because I had to
a. 100% like and and this is and

520
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,960
it seems so counterintuitive,
right?

521
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,600
Because so often I think as
people, we, we approach not just

522
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,280
economics, but maybe even our
relationships from a scarcity

523
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:47,360
kind of model, right?
And it's, it's tough to explain

524
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,800
somebody how it works.
I would not be good at it.

525
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,840
But I, what I can say is that
Braxton is 100% correct.

526
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,760
Your ability to love, I think is
endless.

527
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,240
And it's up to you to see how
much you can you can handle

528
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,480
because love is scary, right?
You are going to be vulnerable

529
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,960
before somebody.
And so do do you have the

530
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,480
bravery to to love like that?
Yeah, I think that's another

531
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,040
thing to look at.
But no beautiful stuff, Raphael.

532
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,680
Yeah.
And I, I contend this is one of

533
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,920
the evidences of the restored
gospel.

534
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,400
I think it's it's it's in the
fruit.

535
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:28,840
So in in Mosiah chapter 5, King
Benjamin has just finished

536
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:33,080
giving his address, right.
And he wants to know how the

537
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,240
people are feeling and, and how
they've processed all this.

538
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,320
And he, he goes and he says,
hey, what do you guys believe

539
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,880
this stuff that I've been
preaching to you?

540
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,240
And in chapter 5, verse 2, the
people, it says, they all cried

541
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:51,480
with one voice, this psionic
shout saying, we believe all the

542
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,800
words which you have spoken unto
us.

543
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:59,840
And also we know, we don't just
believe, we know of their surety

544
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,360
and truth because of the Spirit
of the Lord Omnipotent, which

545
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,760
has wrought a mighty change in
US or in our hearts, that we

546
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,360
have no more disposition to do
evil, but to do good

547
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,040
continually.
And we ourselves also, through

548
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,600
the infinite goodness of God and
the manifestations of the

549
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,440
Spirit, have great views of that
which is to come.

550
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,199
And word expedient.
We could prophecy all things.

551
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,120
That's it.
You grow in love, you grow in

552
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:31,760
your capacity to do good.
And, and that's what that's what

553
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,360
God is trying to get us to.
That's the state, that's the

554
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,159
state we were meant to be in.
It's the state you and I both

555
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:43,000
shared when we lived in, in, in
the grand councils of heaven far

556
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:51,159
away, wherever it was.
And that that union that we all

557
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:55,360
shared together, that ability
and capacity to love endlessly,

558
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:01,120
that we're all trying to get
back, that we, as we slowly

559
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,200
overtime remove that veil from
our eyes, are able to see and

560
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,560
realize.
And so it's a restoration.

561
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,480
Oh man, it goes deep, right?
Because now I'm like, OK, so

562
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,880
this is a restoration of even
who we were before we came here

563
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,920
to a degree, right?
Because we are going to be

564
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,000
better, hopefully when we're
done with this existence,

565
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,440
because we will have gained more
experience with the body, but

566
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,320
will be restored back, at least
in our knowledge to be able to

567
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,280
understand who we were and what
we were beforehand.

568
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:40,560
Wow, that's good stuff.
Yeah, and we'll go to the

569
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,280
scriptures again because they're
the best place to go I.

570
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,160
Absolutely.
I love this.

571
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,720
This is one of my favorite
passages in the entire Canon of

572
00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:56,920
scriptures.
And if you talk to anyone,

573
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,240
especially the past couple
months, they've probably heard

574
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:06,200
me quote this passage several
times and it's just so good.

575
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,400
So this is in in the 31st
chapter of Jeremiah, really

576
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:11,800
awesome chapter in the
Scriptures.

577
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,560
And Jeremiah is going to talk
about a covenant.

578
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,520
You were mentioning that earlier
about the importance of

579
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:23,600
covenants.
And, and I wanted to talk about

580
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,880
how this relates to this
restoration that we're talking

581
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:31,280
about.
So this passage is written.

582
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,320
We know it's in the context of
the last days.

583
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,040
You can take a look at the the
preceding chapter, the end

584
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,040
verse, they're talking about the
latter days.

585
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,040
And in the same time, it begins
in chapter in chapter 31, verse

586
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,960
one at the same time.
So in these last days, this is

587
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,720
what's going to happen.
I'm about to talk to you about

588
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:51,960
all these things here.
So we have this context.

589
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,760
The people are living in
apostasy.

590
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:59,600
Verse 21 and 22 indicate that,
you know, how long will you go

591
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,400
about, O backsliding daughter?
For the Lord has created a new

592
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,240
thing in the earth, right?
The people are practicing

593
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:07,760
wickedness.
They've turned from the truth.

594
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,880
And in the midst of that
apostasy, God says something

595
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,160
about what he's going to do with
it, right?

596
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,200
All you apostates, I'm going to
do something for you.

597
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:31,000
Here's what he says.
Verse 31, chapter 31, verse 31.

598
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,840
Behold the days come, saith the
Lord, that I will make a new

599
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:40,600
covenant with the House of
Israel, and with the House of

600
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:45,880
Judah, not according to the
covenant that I made with their

601
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,960
fathers in the day that I took
them by the hand to bring them

602
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:55,600
out of the land of Egypt, which
my covenant they break, although

603
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,480
I was a husband unto them.
Tangential God's a polygamist.

604
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:02,720
Right.
Saith the Lord.

605
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:04,760
I like it.
I like it.

606
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,080
There you go.
So which covenant they break,

607
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,400
although I was a husband unto
them, saith the Lord.

608
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,400
But this shall be the covenant
that I will make with the House

609
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,920
of Israel after those days,
saith the Lord.

610
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,920
I will put my law in their
inward parts and write it in

611
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,920
their hearts, and will be their
God, and they shall be my

612
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,680
people.
And they shall teach no more

613
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,680
every man his neighbor, and
every man his brother, saying,

614
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:42,680
Know the Lord, For they shall
all know the Lord from the least

615
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,960
of them unto the greatest of
them.

616
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,200
And I will forgive their
iniquity, and I will remember

617
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,440
their name.
No, I will remember their sin no

618
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,800
more.
They will.

619
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,920
I will be their God, and they
shall be my people.

620
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,960
So this new covenant, Yeah.
You want to say something?

621
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:08,800
Yeah, dude.
So that part about they will

622
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,280
what, how do you put that?
They they will know me or they

623
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,560
will see me or.
Yeah, they says no more.

624
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,280
Every man his neighbor they
shall teach no more.

625
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,520
Every man his neighbor, and
every man his brother, saying,

626
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:26,000
Know the Lord, for they shall
all know me from the least of

627
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,360
them, under the greatest of
them.

628
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,160
You know, that's fascinating
because for for about the last

629
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:37,560
15 years, someone had asked me,
OK, sum up Joseph Smith.

630
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,040
And this was an actual question
I got.

631
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,920
This was back when I was still
in the LDS Church, in fact, But

632
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,400
they said sum up what Joseph's
message is in just a few

633
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,520
sentences, if you can.
I was like, it's a tall order,

634
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,280
right?
Like he touched a lot, right?

635
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,920
I was like, can I have a week?
He's like, sure.

636
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,400
So I went back and I read a
bunch on Joseph Smith,

637
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,800
everything I get my hands on,
including what he has to say for

638
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:09,520
himself, and I've said this.
If you were to, if I was to try

639
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,240
to boil down everything Joseph
was talking about, what the what

640
00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:17,400
the end result is, I think it's
this that Joseph would say to

641
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:18,920
you.
I've had my encounter with

642
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,160
Diddy.
Now let me show you how to have

643
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,800
yours.
Amen.

644
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,920
And then we look at Jeremiah.
There those scriptures you just

645
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,920
read that every man is going to
know the Lord.

646
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,880
Yeah.
I think there's an echo there.

647
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,120
There is this is it.
Yeah.

648
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:45,000
I mean in in 4 words Joseph says
is this his teaching every man a

649
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,800
prophet?
Yeah.

650
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:50,680
That's it.
You know, would that all God's

651
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:56,800
children were were prophets.
The testimony of Jesus is the

652
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,920
spirit of prophecy.
And if we tap into that, if we

653
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:03,400
really connect to it, that's
what God is trying to get us to

654
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:04,760
become.
So he's trying to, that's what

655
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,560
what Joseph Smith is trying to
do, is to restore who we were

656
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,240
meant to be.
And that is having a direct

657
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:14,720
encounter, connection to the gut
with the God of Israel, the God

658
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:17,160
of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,
such that you and I are

659
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,160
prophets.
That is restoration.

660
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,800
He's trying to get that back.
You know, that's so fascinating

661
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,320
because one of the big things
that was used against Joseph

662
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:32,120
Smith early in his ministry was
that there's no more revelation.

663
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,320
The final revelation is what's
in the Bible.

664
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,920
There's no more there's no more
God talking to man.

665
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,440
God has said what he needs to
say before he comes to get

666
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,160
before he comes again.
And Joseph is saying not so

667
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,480
fast.
I don't think he's done

668
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,920
interesting.
And reestablishing that that

669
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,240
connection of revelation again
so that men can once again hear

670
00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:55,680
God.
Yeah, see where there is no

671
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,720
vision that the the people
perish, right?

672
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:02,920
That's what proverb says.
And and the restitution, the

673
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:08,440
restitution of all things spoken
of in acts and, and, and you

674
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,760
should just go like do a a word
search of restitution of all

675
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,680
things in the journal discourses
and in teachings of proper

676
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,440
Joseph Smith.
Just look at all the times that

677
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,760
verse is mentioned.
It's so critical.

678
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,680
One of those things that's meant
that's to be restituted or

679
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,920
restored is prophecy.
God's trying to bring that back.

680
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,120
Joseph Smith's trying to bring
this back into our, into our

681
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,120
views.
So the idea of knowing God is,

682
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,720
is to be a, to be a prophet.
You cannot know, you cannot be a

683
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:39,960
prophet if you do not know God.
And if you don't, if you don't

684
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,440
know God, you're definitely not
a prophet.

685
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:49,720
Right.
And so that's one of the main

686
00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:51,880
things that God's trying to get
out with this new covenant.

687
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,480
And so, so this new covenant
that he's talking about here in

688
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,360
Jeremiah 3131, I will make a new
covenant.

689
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,000
It's a it's what it is, is so we
get into restoration.

690
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:05,800
It is a renewed covenant.
It was already there and is

691
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,880
being re established so.
This this.

692
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,480
Is what is meant by the new and
everlasting covenant that that's

693
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,760
what this is right here.
So it's new and why is it new?

694
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,680
It's new because it's a new
contract and it's everlasting

695
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,160
because it contains the same
conditions so.

696
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,640
OK.
I like to illustrate it this

697
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,040
way.
I heard this from someone else

698
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,640
and I don't remember who.
It might have been a guy called

699
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:35,400
Dave Wilbur, but I'm don't quote
me on that, but he said, imagine

700
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:40,160
that you are, you get a job and
you, you, you have a, an

701
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,880
employment contract, right?
You sign your paperwork after

702
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,480
the say it's a five year
contract.

703
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,600
It's got a certain salary.
The contract is fulfilled.

704
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,560
And so the employee decide, but
the and the employee decides, I

705
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,520
want to keep working here.
I like this job, they're good to

706
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:55,800
me.
I want to stay.

707
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,320
So you're that employee, you
decide to continue your

708
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,720
employment and you're offered a
new contract.

709
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:05,880
It's got the exact same
stipulations, same salary,

710
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:11,680
etcetera, all the same details.
And you sign the contract again

711
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,720
anew.
And, and in this sense, the

712
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:17,240
contract is new because it's
just been signed into, it's a

713
00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:19,920
new five year term.
Maybe the dates are changed a

714
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,000
little bit, but it's old at the
same time because it's all the

715
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,360
same conditions.
And that's what God is

716
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,000
describing right here, right?
He says, I'm going to make a new

717
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,240
covenant and it's not going to
be according to the covenant

718
00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:34,960
that I made with their fathers.
But what's the difference in the

719
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,720
covenant?
He tells us here, says the

720
00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:39,720
covenant.
The difference in the covenant

721
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:45,880
now is I'm going to put my law,
the law, which was the the old

722
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,760
covenants stipulations, I'm
going to put your law this time

723
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,400
I'm going to do in the inward
parts and write it in your

724
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,400
hearts.
And so it's the same conditions.

725
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,520
I've got all the same things
that I've talked about in the

726
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,200
past.
We're bringing all that back

727
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,720
into the future yet because you
break that covenant, he said.

728
00:45:03,720 --> 00:45:05,720
Which covenant?
My birthday, my covenant, they

729
00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:09,640
break.
We're going to put it in your

730
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,560
hearts.
It's going to be something that

731
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,440
that goes into you.
I'm going to restore your soul.

732
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,120
Because the problem in the in
the in the olden times wasn't

733
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,760
the covenant itself.
It was the people who were

734
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,880
entering into the covenant.
We're sinners.

735
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,680
Right.
You and I turn from the Father

736
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,640
and we don't always do the right
things and we don't always obey

737
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:36,360
his every command.
You know, we I honor, I honor

738
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,960
the Prophet Joseph, though
imperfect, but I I love that

739
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,520
statement of his.
He said I made it my rule that

740
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,800
when God commands, I obey.
And that's not often our

741
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:49,720
disposition as as Saints, right?
We don't always obey.

742
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:53,920
We we are, we covenant to live
by every word which proceeds

743
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,800
forth out of the mouth of God,
but we don't always live by

744
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,200
every word that proceeds forth.
And so he says this new

745
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,960
covenant, what it's going to be
is I'm going to restore your

746
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,320
heart and I'm going to make it
have it personal.

747
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,000
I'm going to make that
relationship with each and

748
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,280
everyone more personal.
Everyone's going to know the

749
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,120
Lord because you're going to
have a direct encounter, because

750
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,120
I'm going to come into your
heart.

751
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,480
I'm going to inscribe my law on
you such that you don't need,

752
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,920
you don't need to, to consult
the scriptures.

753
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,600
I'm not teaching the people here
not to consult the scriptures.

754
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:25,920
But I get what you're saying
though.

755
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,360
When?
The law is in your hearts when

756
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,240
you have His commands and His
words and His decrees with Him,

757
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,360
with you always, and when He
also actively speaks to you.

758
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,440
That's it, right?
Because we don't worship the

759
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,240
Scriptures, we worship God, and
the Scriptures are not our

760
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:42,720
foundation.
It's God, right?

761
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,840
And so that's what God's trying
to do with this new and

762
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,560
everlasting covenant.
And if it's new and yet

763
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,480
everlasting, that is the same
things.

764
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:57,320
This is also what we would call
a restored covenant.

765
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,080
Right.
Yeah, 100%.

766
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,600
Oh, that's, that's deep and
that's good.

767
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:10,520
Like I'm loving how this this
idea of restoration is working

768
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,440
on the individual level as well.
So often I think we talk of the

769
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:19,880
revelation of the restoration
and we do so on grand scales,

770
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,840
right?
And not that that's wrong,

771
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,440
that's absolutely what what we
should look at as well.

772
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,880
But like anything else, I've
always said, if you want Zion,

773
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,840
you have to have Zion type
families first, right?

774
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,600
And so if you want a restored
church, you need restored

775
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,160
people.
Amen.

776
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,600
That is exactly right.
Yes, this is this is the

777
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,000
microcosm within the macrocosm,
right?

778
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,120
What God is doing?
100% that's good stuff.

779
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,720
It's so good, right?
So, so this is what God's trying

780
00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:57,240
to do and he's he's commissioned
us with those of us who believe

781
00:47:57,240 --> 00:47:59,480
and have experienced that
restoration in our lives.

782
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,440
He's commissioned us to share
that message that God wants to

783
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,520
restore you and your heart with
the world, right?

784
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:18,440
This is this is 2nd Corinthians
5 here and, and it hasn't the,

785
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,400
the previous passages that I
recited.

786
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,000
I, I've been, I'm reading from
the Joseph Smith translation or

787
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,400
the inspired version of the
Bible here.

788
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,760
Those previous ones didn't
really have any big differences

789
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:30,840
in the way they've been
translated here.

790
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:36,120
This one has a few words that I
think are also really impactful

791
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,960
and potent and, and I think it's
true.

792
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,440
This is really tangential as
well, but I think it's true

793
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,440
that, like Elder Mcconkey said,
the Joseph Smith translation is

794
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,080
far and away the best Bible ever
produced.

795
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,400
It is good and, and we need to
be using it more as Saints of

796
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,720
God.
We really do.

797
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,160
I, I, I believe that with my
whole heart, like definitely

798
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,880
reference the other stuff, but I
think this foundation of, of our

799
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:08,720
Bibles, I love it so much.
And, and I think you're, I think

800
00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:10,040
you'll see some of these
differences.

801
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,560
We'll point out some of that
they're small differences in

802
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,160
certain senses, but I think
they're, I think they're super

803
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:26,200
impactful and large in my view.
So 2nd Corinthians 5, Paul's

804
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,680
talking about the hope and the
resurrection starting in verse

805
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:34,040
16.
He says, wherefore henceforth

806
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,840
live.
We know more after the flesh,

807
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:43,320
yet since we have known Christ,
Yeah, excuse me.

808
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,640
Henceforth we know no more after
the flesh.

809
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:50,800
Yeah, though we once lived after
the flesh, yet since we have

810
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,520
known Christ, now henceforth
live we know more after the

811
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,680
flesh.
Therefore, if any man, and this

812
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,760
is the key here, if any man live
in Christ, he is a new creature.

813
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,280
Notice the the original there
read in the KJB.

814
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,240
If any man be, be in Christ,
right?

815
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:11,320
If.
Any man is in Christ.

816
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,520
It says live here in the Joseph
Smith translation dwell with

817
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,320
Christ.
I think it's a it's it's small

818
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:21,120
but beautiful.
If any man live in Christ makes

819
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,960
his dwelling, that's the every
man knows God in in Jeremiah 31

820
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,960
that he just read.
If any man live in Christ, he is

821
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,600
a new creature.
Old things are passed away.

822
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:40,240
Behold, all things are become
new, and receiveth all things of

823
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:44,000
God, all the things of God.
Who hath reconciled?

824
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,640
And that's a difference thereto,
who hath reconciled us to

825
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,240
himself by Jesus Christ, and
hath given us the ministry of

826
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:56,520
reconciliation, to wit, that God
is in Christ reconciling the

827
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,320
world unto himself, not imputing
their trespasses unto them, and

828
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,880
have committed unto us the word
or the ministry in other

829
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,920
translations of ministry of
reconciliation.

830
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,240
Now then, we are ambassadors for
Christ, as though God is did

831
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:15,680
beseech you by us.
We pray you in Christ's stead be

832
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:22,680
reconciled to God.
We follow into into Christ every

833
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,920
man a prophet as Jeremiah 31
teaches, and we receive all the

834
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,480
things of God just as God
promised in Acts 321, the

835
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:34,240
restitution of all things, all
things brought back to a head.

836
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,800
And this is all done through the
ministry and the word of

837
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,120
reconciliation.
That is the ministry and word of

838
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:47,640
restoring that God wants to do.
And we as a church, our our job

839
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,480
is to proclaim that God in
Christ reconciling the world

840
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:55,000
unto himself.
We beseech you be reconciled to

841
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,520
God.
Holy cow.

842
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:04,800
Now let's just stop there for a
moment because you, you talked

843
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,640
about how that is achieved.
It's through the reconciliation

844
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,280
or the restoration, right?
I think those few words there

845
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:16,840
could be interchangeable, right?
How much more important does

846
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,520
that make Joseph Smith now?
He's the he's the instrument of

847
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,840
that restoration.
Yeah, precisely.

848
00:52:25,720 --> 00:52:28,880
It's so important.
It's so critical.

849
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,480
Imagine reading that scripture
as Joseph Smith and being like,

850
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:40,680
Oh no, right, Like it's on me.
That's literally it.

851
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,480
And, and, and that's why so some
people have criticized the

852
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,120
differing accounts of the first
vision, right?

853
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:47,920
And we're actually going to talk
about the first vision here in a

854
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,800
second.
But I want to say this while

855
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,960
we're on this topic, in the 1838
account, which is the Joseph

856
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,680
Smith history in the Progre
Prize, it talks about how he's

857
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,320
looking to know which church is
right.

858
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:03,000
And then and then in earlier
accounts, he talks about wanting

859
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,240
to know where to get, how to get
a sense forgiven.

860
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,160
And some are criticizing.
See, he changed his views.

861
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,160
Originally he was just trying to
get a sense forgiven.

862
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,320
Now he's trying to see what the
right church is.

863
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,040
No.
Do you see how inseparably

864
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,240
connected these two ideas are?
Yeah.

865
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,360
Why do I go to the church?
Why is it important that I have

866
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,440
the right relationship with God,
have the right church, have the

867
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,720
right beliefs?
Because I want to be saved.

868
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:30,840
I want to be reconciled to God
looking.

869
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:35,320
For a right that's that look,
it's important that we have a

870
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:41,200
good understanding of what what
they were proto evangelicals,

871
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,000
but evangelicals nonetheless,
right in that time period.

872
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,200
It's important to know what,
what, what, what the mind of

873
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,280
that somebody in that
congregation would think, which

874
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:57,560
is it was very outward, right,
in terms of they're going to see

875
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,280
me in church, they're going to
know that I'm begging for

876
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,800
forgiveness and I'm going to be
saved.

877
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,560
And so from that common New
Englander mindset of that time,

878
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,040
Joseph is making the assumption
that when he goes to church and

879
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,880
he participates there and maybe
in the Eucharist once in a

880
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,160
while, that he can or, or
getting baptized, he can count.

881
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,320
That's where he will find a
remission of his sins.

882
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,760
So the I don't see any dichotomy
or any difference between saying

883
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,880
which church is true and how do
I get forgiven of my sins.

884
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,280
The Church was viewed as the
instrument by which salvation

885
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,280
could be administered through
Jesus Christ.

886
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:41,160
Exactly right.
You know, it's in the ordinances

887
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:46,560
which are found in institutions,
not in just random, you know,

888
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,840
feel good whatever places that
the power of godliness will

889
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,680
manifest.
And that's right to to the early

890
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,160
brethren, to Joseph Smith, he's
seeing this.

891
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:59,880
The church matters.
You know, evangelicals will say

892
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:02,360
that it doesn't matter what
church you go to, right?

893
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,200
But the reality is the church is
the foundation.

894
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:12,880
It's it's where the preaching,
the forgiveness of sins is

895
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,840
found.
And that's a bold statement

896
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,040
that's going to offend a lot of,
you know, of, of those

897
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,040
evangelicals.
They, they'll reject that.

898
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:25,120
But it's the truth, right?
Do you know Paul in the

899
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,120
scriptures he teaches, Paul
teaches something about the

900
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,640
pillar and ground of truth.
Do you know the the Do you know

901
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,160
what the pillar and ground of
truth is?

902
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:38,040
Oh, illuminate me please.
Paul says it's the church, it's

903
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,600
not the Bible.
It's not, you know, this, you,

904
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,760
this personal relationship you
have not that these things

905
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,920
aren't important.
Obviously the Scriptures are

906
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,720
important.
Obviously Christ is important,

907
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:50,440
right?
All of these things.

908
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,680
But the church proclaims this
message of reconciliation.

909
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,400
It holds these keys in these
ordinances.

910
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,880
It's what Christ is established
and ordained in order that

911
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,760
people might have access to the
Father.

912
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,200
Right.
Right.

913
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,120
And you know, I, I didn't even
plan to go here, but we, we have

914
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:13,600
to go here now.
We're going to go to Mark.

915
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,200
It's so good.
OK, Mark, Chapter 13, I think

916
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:23,280
let's check here, right?
This, this is really important

917
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,280
in terms of understanding
ecclesiology and the

918
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,160
restoration.
And by ecclesiology, we mean

919
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,880
like the theology of church.
What does it mean to have an

920
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:37,600
organizational structure, right?
Check and all these things, what

921
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,640
is the structure meant to look
like etcetera.

922
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:46,720
So in is it Mark 13?
So anyway, the context of this

923
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:49,440
passage is he's teaching about
actually the end times here.

924
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,800
Few years back I started to get
the feeling that we, as

925
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,960
fundamentalists and orthodox
Mormons, we need our own stuff.

926
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,920
Up to now, we've been able to
buy and purchase all of our

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music from other restoration

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good.

929
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,680
But there's no guarantee it's
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930
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,600
Also, it can be a bit tricky as
you scour the Internet trying to

931
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,760
find all the books from your
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932
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,120
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As I thought about this, I feel

933
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,960
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solution now through the hard

934
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,000
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935
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936
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941
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There's also places for you to

942
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960
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971
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,720
Now back to the show.
He's going to say some things

972
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:35,120
about the time between him
leaving Jesus, leaving the earth

973
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:44,000
and coming back.
So in Mark 13, around verse 32,

974
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,760
he begins.
But of that day and hour knoweth

975
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:52,040
no man, not the angels which are
in heaven, neither the Son but

976
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:57,160
the Father.
And this has some interesting

977
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,280
references to early Israelite
Israelite feast, but we won't

978
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,760
get into that right now.
But he says, take ye heed, watch

979
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,160
and pray, for ye know not when
the time is.

980
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:11,240
And here's the critical part
here, verse 34 For the Son of

981
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:17,480
Man is as a man taking a far
journey, who left his house and

982
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:21,480
gave authority to his servants
and to every man his work, and

983
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:28,520
commanded the Porter to watch.
He's talking about ministers,

984
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:30,920
right?
He's talking about people to

985
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,360
watch over the church.
It's interesting, right?

986
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,720
Yeah.
He's saying, look, I can't be

987
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:37,400
with you.
I've got to go away.

988
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,520
I'm going to take a far journey.
I'm going to leave behind my

989
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:44,120
house.
And therefore I'm going to give

990
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:48,800
authority to my servants.
This idea of a priesthood, the

991
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:53,320
apostles, Right, Right.
I'm going to give authority and

992
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:57,720
to every man his work.
So the Christians at large are

993
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,600
each going to have a job to do
to usher in this time.

994
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:05,200
Which right.
This is why John Taylor says if

995
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,560
Zion is never built, the Lord
will never come because he must

996
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,840
have a people and a place
prepared for him.

997
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,680
If we're not working to build
Zion, a physical place, not just

998
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,600
some abstract Zion in our hearts
all over the world, but an

999
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:24,600
actual place, United Order, a
city of Enoch, he's not going to

1000
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,120
come.
We all have to work together in

1001
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:29,640
this right.
We have to prepare for his.

1002
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,040
We have to prepare his home to
come back to absolutely.

1003
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,160
OK, I see that.
Yeah.

1004
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,080
And then he says, I command the
Porter to watch.

1005
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,960
Now what is a Porter?
A Porter is someone who it comes

1006
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,960
from the that Latin word which
means door.

1007
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:48,480
So it's someone who has a set of
keys and they're able to unlock

1008
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,720
and lock the doors to let people
to come into the house.

1009
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:58,800
There is a person who holds keys
who opens the doors.

1010
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,800
Jesus is himself is saying it's
not going to be enough for you

1011
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,640
to be, you know, a Lone Ranger
Christian out there, right?

1012
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,000
You're going to need other
people.

1013
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,760
You know, I, I want to share
something here real quick about

1014
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:12,920
this, because I think this is
super important as well.

1015
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,640
There is some breeds of
evangelicalism slash

1016
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,720
Christianity you look at and
it's very much a Lone Ranger

1017
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:24,160
kind of a deal, right?
Like I'm just going to stay home

1018
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,840
and read my Bible and, and, and
I'm that's good enough.

1019
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:31,040
And there's nothing wrong on the
surface with that, right, Right.

1020
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:35,760
But if, if we're adherence to
the restoration as revealed by

1021
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:40,360
God to Joseph Smith, there's no
understanding that it's not

1022
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,840
going to be enough just to do
that.

1023
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:47,240
You, you know the, the, the goal
is Zion, right?

1024
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:51,320
The goal is the temple and Zion.
Joseph Smith builds absolutely 0

1025
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,280
chapels in his lifetime.
It's all communities and

1026
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:55,560
temples.
Amen.

1027
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,200
Communities take other people.
Now you can have a Zion type

1028
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,760
family of that I have no doubts,
right on your own.

1029
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:08,560
But you can't have Zion proper
if you're just out working

1030
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:10,040
alone, right?
Right.

1031
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,600
And so you got to get to a point
to where and, and it's tough,

1032
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,360
right.
Working with other people can be

1033
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,400
tough.
Just ask some of the men I've

1034
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,640
worked with, they'll tell you
it's tough working with Dave.

1035
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:25,400
But nonetheless, it's, it's
required.

1036
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,400
We work with each other if we
want those blessings as promised

1037
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,200
in the restoration.
Right.

1038
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,320
So Zion starts in the family,
but it doesn't end there.

1039
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,240
It starts in our hearts, but it
doesn't end there.

1040
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:41,760
And, and right, So this, this,
this ecclesiological, this

1041
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,520
ecclesiological organization
that Christ is setting up the

1042
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:50,760
Church, that is this
ecclesiastical is here and, and

1043
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:55,120
it exists for that purpose to,
to bring us, to make us the kind

1044
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,440
of people that can welcome
Christ.

1045
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:03,560
So God in the church, according
to this scripture is restoring

1046
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,120
us so that he's giving us our
tasks.

1047
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,560
He's making us the kind of
people he wants us to be.

1048
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:12,120
And that's restoration, right?
So we each get our work, which

1049
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,040
was what we were destined to be
all along, so that we can

1050
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,880
welcome him back.
And, and likewise, on the other

1051
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,320
side of this, there's another,
another take away.

1052
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,760
I think that's really key to
this, why the church is so

1053
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:26,760
important.
Eugene England, who was a a

1054
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,960
latter day St. scholar, little
more on the fringes.

1055
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:31,720
He was he was pretty
progressive.

1056
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,800
And, and certainly there are
things that I'm not going to

1057
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:39,960
endorse in his in his theology
or in his politics, but there

1058
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,000
are certain things he did do
that I really like.

1059
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:47,480
And one, one of those in an
essay he wrote called Why the

1060
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:51,680
Church is as True as the Gospel,
right?

1061
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:53,840
So it's not just the restored
gospel, but it's the restored

1062
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,160
church.
And he talks about in this

1063
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,960
essay, one of the things that
has always stuck with me.

1064
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:00,680
And I want to connect that to
this passage here.

1065
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,880
He said that the church is so
important and you talk about you

1066
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:10,680
can't do this on your own
because it is a school of love

1067
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:15,120
that trains us and prepares us
to love people that we don't

1068
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:16,680
like or would normally associate
with.

1069
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,000
Check.
And that is exactly what God is

1070
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:25,000
doing with us, right?
Yeah, yeah, 100%.

1071
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:34,920
It's so true, right?
Yeah, 100% it it the the

1072
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:38,240
blessings of it though, are just
far supernal, right?

1073
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:42,840
I have been so edified by
hearing other people's

1074
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:46,160
testimonies, both in the
podcast, which isn't church.

1075
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,880
I don't want anyone ever
thinking that the podcast is

1076
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:53,600
church, but also in church,
right To to hear other men's

1077
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:57,600
testimonies.
Is is one of those things that

1078
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,680
absolutely can add to yours if
you're in the right headspace,

1079
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:03,880
right?
If you've got your, your, your,

1080
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,280
your perspective firmly fixed on
Christ.

1081
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,360
Yeah, that's right.
That's exactly right.

1082
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:13,840
And and so it's so important
that we have the people that can

1083
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:15,600
pour into our lives and we can
pour into theirs.

1084
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,720
And right here he says something
that I think is critical, right?

1085
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:24,120
That he's going to set people in
order because in order in a

1086
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:28,720
place, because I can't be there.
Jesus, I can't I'm, I'm Jesus, I

1087
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:31,400
can't be there, right?
I can't be with you all the

1088
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:32,960
time.
I've got business I've got to

1089
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,560
do.
I've got to go to my father and

1090
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:37,040
I've got things to do.
I can't be with you.

1091
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:42,320
And the reality is, is we are
humans and we need, we need

1092
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:46,720
connection, we need love.
And I don't want to argue by

1093
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:50,320
saying what I'm about to say
that you cannot feel God's love

1094
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:54,120
for you because he's not here,
right?

1095
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:58,080
Physically, that's not true.
But what I do want to, what I,

1096
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:02,520
what I do want to say is as
humans, it is so much easier for

1097
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:06,040
us to feel physical love, love
when it's physically interacted,

1098
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:07,720
right?
When I'm face to face with a

1099
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:13,240
human and, and God said, look, I
know I'm not going to be able to

1100
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,720
be here.
And I know that's going to be

1101
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,400
tough.
It's going to be hard on you.

1102
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:25,000
And I really want to be here.
So I'm going to give you this

1103
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,120
priesthood.
I'm going to give you this body

1104
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:33,840
of men who represent me, who
stand in my stead, and who can

1105
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:39,160
show you the love that you need
to feel physically when I can't

1106
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:42,280
be here.
And so when I need to go to my

1107
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,640
Bishop and say these things just
aren't right and I need some

1108
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:52,280
help and I need someone to care,
right, God has given us that

1109
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,000
person, that priesthood
institution.

1110
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:57,600
That's what the priesthood is
about.

1111
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:03,240
If the apostleship doesn't make
you feel Christ's love, then the

1112
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:09,320
apostleship is useless.
If you've received the laying on

1113
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:14,240
of hands and it doesn't make you
feel God's love for you when He

1114
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:18,840
reaches down with His own hands
and touches you, that laying on

1115
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:25,359
of hands means nothing. 100
percent, 100%.

1116
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:33,520
And I was going to say, I was
going to say sometimes I think

1117
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:40,359
it's lost on us as brethren that
every time we get we get the

1118
01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:43,520
priesthood or we get a
priesthood advancement, all that

1119
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,720
is, is a bigger Commission to
serve, right?

1120
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,160
There's a story.
I'm sure you're familiar with

1121
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:51,439
it.
I'm sure a bunch of people are

1122
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:54,200
familiar with it.
I believe it was France.

1123
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:58,200
It was during World War 2 if I'm
not mistaken, but this one time

1124
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,160
it was either France or Italy I
can't remember.

1125
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:05,319
Anyway this one village had one
claim to fame and that was a big

1126
01:09:05,319 --> 01:09:13,279
statue of Jesus that they had
and because of war it got bombed

1127
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:17,080
including the statue.
Now, they were able to find all

1128
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,760
the pieces and put it back
together except for about the

1129
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:25,880
elbows down of this, this statue
of Jesus Christ.

1130
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:30,960
And so like before they're even
building homes, they're holding

1131
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:35,279
a town meeting for those who
survived all the bombings to

1132
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:37,520
find out what they're going to
do about this statue.

1133
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:41,439
And they debated at length.
Someone said, well, let's just

1134
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,279
go get the original sculptor.
I think he's in the neighboring

1135
01:09:44,279 --> 01:09:46,200
town and we'll see if he can fix
it.

1136
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:49,000
Well, that was shot down pretty
quick.

1137
01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:50,640
A we don't know if he's still
there.

1138
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:51,840
We don't know if he's still
alive.

1139
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:54,360
And we have no money, right?
We got nothing.

1140
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:58,880
There was another thought of,
well why don't we just take it

1141
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:04,480
down and then put a memorial
saying this used to be here.

1142
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,440
There was 1 old guy in the back
who just kept listening and

1143
01:10:08,440 --> 01:10:11,120
finally gave a suggestion.
And it was his suggestion that

1144
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:14,440
they used.
And they kept the statue the way

1145
01:10:14,440 --> 01:10:17,920
it was without hands.
And there was a plaque there

1146
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:23,360
that said in the absence of your
hand, of my hands, I rely on you

1147
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,440
to do my work.
Amen.

1148
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,680
And I think this is exactly what
we're getting at here.

1149
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,800
And so when you receive
priesthood advancement, I don't

1150
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,480
care if it's from a Deacon to a
teacher, it's a step up in

1151
01:10:37,480 --> 01:10:39,800
service.
And you better be able to meet

1152
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:41,800
that call because that's what
we're asked to do.

1153
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:46,880
And in order to be effective
ministers within the gospel, you

1154
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,600
need to have a love for the
people that you work with or you

1155
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:54,200
will be ineffective.
And I know that it seems kind of

1156
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:58,080
weird to talk about loving
people that you may not know all

1157
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:00,160
that much or might be hard to
love.

1158
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:04,920
But nonetheless, our Commission
is to love them, and that's what

1159
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:08,280
we got to do.
Amen, that's exactly right.

1160
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:11,520
I mean and and then that's the
reality.

1161
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:16,720
I I wish I remembered the exact
chapter and verse off the top of

1162
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:22,120
my head but it's somewhere in
3rd Nephi Believe after the 18th

1163
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:26,880
chapter.
Gosh, I wish I could remember

1164
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:35,840
where it was, but let's see
maybe it's 26.

1165
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:50,760
But anyway, I don't remember.
But what he did, what he did,

1166
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:54,520
what he, what Jesus says, or at
least the the the writer here

1167
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:59,000
says really stuck out to me.
He talks about this fact that as

1168
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:12,600
disciples our job is within
ourselves to show the the nail

1169
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,880
marks of Christ before the
world.

1170
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:22,920
When when people look on us,
they see in our hands and in our

1171
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:28,760
feet the prints, the nails that
pierced our Lord.

1172
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,680
Of showing how far God is
willing to go to get you back.

1173
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:40,880
Of showing how far your
brokenness God is willing to go

1174
01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:45,320
to heal, to refresh you, to
restore you.

1175
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:51,360
You know, you were talking about
the, the, the Prince of the

1176
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:55,160
nails in the hands and the feet
and my mind couldn't be helped

1177
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:57,920
but be drawn to certain portions
of the endowment.

1178
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:04,320
We take those on on ourselves
and and I believe a holy

1179
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:11,800
Commission to do as he would do.
There's a gentleman out here,

1180
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:15,600
and I'm not sure if he'd be
comfortable naming his name, but

1181
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:23,840
one of his relatives was Charles
Zitting, early, early Mormon

1182
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:28,120
fundamentalist leader.
And he talks about a dream that

1183
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:34,640
was he recorded in his journal
that he was, I believe he was

1184
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:36,240
sitting outside on Temple
Square.

1185
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,720
I'm going to get the details
wrong, but forgive me for that.

1186
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,680
And he encounters the savior
there in this dream.

1187
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:50,160
And the savior said, if you want
to, if you want to be as I am,

1188
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,640
you have to drink from the same
cup I drink.

1189
01:13:55,440 --> 01:13:58,880
And that's got a lot of
connotation, right?

1190
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,160
I mean, could that be talking
about suffering?

1191
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:04,320
Sure.
But I think also it could be

1192
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:07,440
talking about a consecrated
life, right?

1193
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:13,600
That your whole existence is to
be in the service of God.

1194
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:18,600
And King Benjamin outlines what
that looks like being in in the

1195
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:22,240
service of your fellow man.
Yeah.

1196
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:26,200
And I, I think there's a lot of
interesting parallels to what

1197
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:29,520
you just said there to both the
temple endowment as well as our

1198
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:32,440
commissions as adherence to the
to the restoration.

1199
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:38,080
It's so true.
I mean, yeah, I mean, that is

1200
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:41,280
exactly what what God is trying
to get at within us.

1201
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:47,040
And he says it.
I mean, you're, you're going to

1202
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:51,080
go forth and you're going to
show this and proclaim this,

1203
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,040
this ministry of reconciliation.
What what God is doing in our

1204
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:55,520
hearts, we proclaim to the
world.

1205
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,920
God is trying to make us new and
he's trying to make us right.

1206
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,280
You know, it's why baptism
represents death, burial and

1207
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,880
resurrection.
It's all about new life.

1208
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:14,960
And that's it.
I mean, all of this is to say

1209
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:19,000
that God is in the business of
restoration.

1210
01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:23,960
Shack.
And he wants to do it and he

1211
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:25,680
does.
He is everything that he has

1212
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:27,440
done.
Every single doctrine that has

1213
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:30,920
been put in the Restore Church
is meant to point to that fact.

1214
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:34,000
Dude, it's so fascinating,
right?

1215
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:38,800
Because I keep going back to
this and, and, and this, this

1216
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,040
conversation has blown my mind
in a good way here, right?

1217
01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:47,520
Because I, I've said this just a
few minutes ago, if you want

1218
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,000
Zion, you have to have a Zion
type people, right?

1219
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:51,440
You have to have Zion type
families.

1220
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:55,400
But if you want a people that
can carry out the restoration,

1221
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:58,160
you need people who are
restored.

1222
01:16:00,480 --> 01:16:05,160
And I think if we're going to be
ministers in the restoration, we

1223
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:08,920
need to have a certain amount of
restoration done on us as well

1224
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:10,800
as that being a continual
process.

1225
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:15,600
I can't that the the process of
restoration for humans is not an

1226
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:19,320
event, it's a process.
And I think it's important to

1227
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:23,080
realize that that you're not
required to be fully restored to

1228
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:26,200
participate, but you got to be
on the spectrum somewhere of

1229
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:29,160
working towards restoration.
That's right.

1230
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:31,680
There's a lot of heavy
implications in that.

1231
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:35,560
Yeah, there are.
Yeah, you definitely, you know,

1232
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,400
the scriptures say you you have
to have brought forth fruits

1233
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,320
worthy of repentance.
You have to demonstrate that

1234
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:44,120
you've you've repented of your
sins and that you're trying.

1235
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:48,040
It doesn't demand perfection,
right?

1236
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,360
Christ says be therefore
perfect.

1237
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:55,320
But what most people ignore is
that the Greek text there says

1238
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:59,640
it's, it's a future tense verb,
actually, you shall be perfect.

1239
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:01,480
Perfection is not what he's
demanding.

1240
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:05,080
He's demanding you become that.
What he's saying is I want to

1241
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:06,560
restore you and you're going to
become this.

1242
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,760
It's process, like you said, and
I'm going to work on you bit by

1243
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:15,880
bit, line upon line, precept on
precept, right when, when the

1244
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,200
Council of Jerusalem and Acts
15, we're deciding upon what to

1245
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:21,320
do with the Gentiles.
They said, look, they're not

1246
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:23,280
going to be able to do
everything from the beginning.

1247
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,600
So we're going to give them the
four basic requirements and then

1248
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:27,960
they're going to build on it and
they can learn more and more as

1249
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:29,400
they go along.
We're not going to expect them

1250
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:33,000
to have everything memorized and
figured out right now because

1251
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:36,720
these heathen Barbarians have
never been in faith in, in our

1252
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:39,000
faith in, in the faith of God of
Israel.

1253
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:42,680
They don't know, but we give
them the time to be restored.

1254
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:47,080
But let me ask you this
question, Braxton, because now

1255
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:54,880
I'm wondering if, if we're not
just assigning the same meaning

1256
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:58,000
to different terms, how is
restoration going to be

1257
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:02,280
different than sanctification?
Oh, that's a tough question.

1258
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:07,040
That's a good one.
I think in a certain sense

1259
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:14,360
they're the same.
Right.

1260
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:19,840
Because right, what is, what is
sanctification?

1261
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:27,200
It is, it is, it is the, it's
the act of, of doing holiness of

1262
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:33,160
being becoming holy and in
Christ and his restoration in

1263
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:34,680
the restoration of the restored
church.

1264
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:39,400
Look, this church has been, has
been disparaged and torn apart

1265
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:43,800
and and ripped to shreds.
The Babylon has come in, you

1266
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,000
know, the church has been
prostituted out.

1267
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:58,440
It's just been decimated and
it's not holy.

1268
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,240
That's not to say that in the
centuries preceding the

1269
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:03,720
restoration of the church that
there were no great and holy men

1270
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:07,200
who were proclaiming the gospel
to the best that they could, to

1271
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,360
the to the willingness of the
people to understand.

1272
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:13,120
That is not to say that at all.
There were many mighty men of

1273
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:16,520
faith who did the best they
could with what they had, and we

1274
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:21,760
applauded for it.
But we recognize that that

1275
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,520
institution with some of those
beliefs, some that we will

1276
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:32,560
discuss, did not honor Christ
and did not honor God and

1277
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,560
therefore could not be
considered holy.

1278
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,760
Check.
Yeah, 100%.

1279
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:41,920
That makes sense.
And so that is, yeah, the

1280
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:44,480
sanctification, the process of
becoming holy that happens

1281
01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:50,280
within us as we enter into and
obey the ordinances of the House

1282
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:54,800
of God is the exact same thing
that Christ was doing with the

1283
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,760
church in restoration.
It's the exact same thing that

1284
01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:59,480
restoration does to us in our
hearts.

1285
01:19:59,480 --> 01:20:02,080
As God restores us, he makes us
holier.

1286
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:08,200
We synergistically partner with
him in a, in a voyage or journey

1287
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:11,240
of holiness, right?
The way of Christ, which we do

1288
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:15,280
when we enter in at the gate of
baptism, Second Ephi 31, right,

1289
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,440
is a voyage of holiness or
sanctification.

1290
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:22,080
It's a process that makes us
exactly into who.

1291
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:26,720
God wants us to be, and it is
the greatest act of worship.

1292
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:31,000
I might have talked about that
last time with the idea that

1293
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:34,560
that becoming deified is the
greatest act of worship.

1294
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:38,840
Becoming holy, that which is not
wholly becoming truly and

1295
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:42,240
actually holy, is the most
beautiful offering you can give

1296
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:43,480
to the Lord.
There's nothing else that

1297
01:20:43,480 --> 01:20:46,000
compares to it.
Absolutely.

1298
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:51,280
Putting the animal and you on
the altar and sacrificing it and

1299
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:55,520
sprinkling the blood on and
applying the atoning blood.

1300
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:01,560
Yeah, 100%.
No, it makes total sense.

1301
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:03,880
OK.
I was just curious about that.

1302
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:05,600
Yeah, I think, I think it's the
same thing.

1303
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,840
Maybe there's some nuances that
there's a layer in which it is

1304
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,320
different, but as I see it, it's
the same.

1305
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:19,640
Check OK.
So now there are so many other

1306
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:23,760
scriptures I could talk about.
I mean, you know Mark 35, the

1307
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:25,960
restoration of the withered
hand, right?

1308
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:29,280
This goes all into things beyond
just restoring the church.

1309
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:35,760
We looked at Mark.
I think now, towards the end

1310
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:40,160
here, I want us to tackle a
foundational text on the matters

1311
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:44,040
of restoration apostasy that
will lay the groundwork for our

1312
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:46,600
historical inquiry into the
Council's and everything next

1313
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:48,080
week.
Perfect.

1314
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:50,600
Let's see this.
Is going to be the big one.

1315
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:56,440
This is one of the really the
more important that we'll talk

1316
01:21:56,440 --> 01:21:59,000
about here.
So we're going to go to Joseph

1317
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:03,200
Smith history starting here at
the 1838 account of the first

1318
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:07,000
vision in the Pearl of Great
Price.

1319
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:15,480
And look, I'll start by saying
this right.

1320
01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:20,280
You've, you know, we have pushed
back from our Protestant

1321
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:22,560
brothers and sisters.
We have pushed back from really

1322
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:24,640
any other branch of
Christianity, everybody.

1323
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:28,840
Yeah.
But you know, particularly

1324
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:31,440
evangelicals are very loud and
proud about what we're about to

1325
01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:35,800
talk about.
I do want to say like from the

1326
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:40,440
outset that this message that
we're proclaiming is offensive

1327
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:44,360
and it doesn't have to be right.
But when we talk about the the

1328
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:46,560
historical side of things, it's
offensive.

1329
01:22:47,480 --> 01:22:49,600
It's got to be offensive.
There's no way it can't be

1330
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:51,000
offensive.
The Lord.

1331
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:55,080
Look, there's a couple things I
absolutely agree with the

1332
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:58,960
evangelicals on, right?
And and look, a lot of people

1333
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,400
get mad at me for saying this.
You're, you're right.

1334
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:05,000
We're not Christian in the
classical sense that we would

1335
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:06,760
understand it.
We're we're different.

1336
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,800
Second, we do have a different
Jesus.

1337
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:11,640
I have no problem saying that,
right?

1338
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:16,240
He he different Jesus and we're
we should be glad to have that.

1339
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:18,240
Amen, because our saves and
theirs doesn't.

1340
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:19,960
Right.
Well.

1341
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:22,040
Sorry, I like to be bold with
them.

1342
01:23:22,440 --> 01:23:25,000
Spice, I like it.
I like the spice.

1343
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:29,640
All right.
And then third, third is, is,

1344
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:35,000
oh, I blanking on the third now.
Oh, I blanked on the 3rd.

1345
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:36,760
I'll I'll remember it at a later
point.

1346
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:38,440
I'll kick myself for not
remembering it.

1347
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:43,920
But we, oh, I remember what it
is.

1348
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:49,680
The Lord to Joseph Smith says
all their creeds are an

1349
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:51,560
abomination.
That's strong.

1350
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:55,480
That's the Lord getting spicy.
That's not us, right?

1351
01:23:55,480 --> 01:23:57,680
That's not Joseph Smith, that's
the Lord.

1352
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:02,440
And so there's no way with that
statement that it couldn't be

1353
01:24:02,440 --> 01:24:04,880
offensive.
It just has to be by nature.

1354
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:08,440
Yeah, exactly.
And, and so it's, it's funny.

1355
01:24:08,440 --> 01:24:10,560
And and that's where we're going
to, we're going to read those,

1356
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:14,000
those verses there.
And it's funny that when I've

1357
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:19,920
heard critics such as especially
Jeff Durbin, you know, when,

1358
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:23,800
when we get when, when we get
frustrated at the evangelical

1359
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:26,200
criticisms and attacks, they're
saying, well, you attacked

1360
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:28,680
first, you know, and then they
recite this verse in the first

1361
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:30,800
vision.
And maybe to an extent that's

1362
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,240
true.
But also I'd say, well, you

1363
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:36,040
hoard out the church 1st and
we're trying to restore it.

1364
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:39,360
So really it's we didn't attack
first, you attacked the church

1365
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:42,880
1st and we're just trying to
restore what you attacked.

1366
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:50,120
But that's an aside.
And but it is, that's all it

1367
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:52,120
says.
It's offensive and it's going to

1368
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:55,080
offend.
And I did think, I didn't want

1369
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,400
to say that's why it is
important laying that groundwork

1370
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:01,160
in a certain sense.
I don't want to say soften the

1371
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:04,680
offensive nature, but starting
with restoration that way

1372
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:07,880
certainly can help you reframe
and re picture some of the ways

1373
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:11,600
you think about it, right.
When you see that all this is

1374
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:14,800
actually about what God's trying
to do, you know, you understand

1375
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,200
something I think in a better
way.

1376
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:23,360
So getting into Joe Smith
history, it starts here in right

1377
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:27,120
verse 18.
He had just seen the Lord.

1378
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:31,800
This is my beloved son.
Hear him verse 18.

1379
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:36,560
He says, My object in going to
inquire of the Lord, was to know

1380
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:41,840
of which of all the sex was
right, that I might know which

1381
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:44,960
to join.
No sooner, therefore, did I get

1382
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:48,200
possession of myself, so as to
be able to speak.

1383
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:51,440
Then I asked the person just who
stood above me in the light,

1384
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:55,760
which of all the sex was right
for this time, and had never

1385
01:25:56,520 --> 01:26:01,080
entered into my heart, that all
were wrong, and which I should

1386
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:06,000
join.
I was answered that I must join

1387
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:09,880
none of them, for they were all
wrong.

1388
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:14,240
And the personage who addressed
me said that all their creeds

1389
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:17,720
here it is, were an abomination
in his sight.

1390
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,200
And I'm assuming this is the
Lord, Lord Jesus Christ here,

1391
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:29,800
not the Father says they draw
near to me with their lips.

1392
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:31,320
So This is why they're all
corrupt.

1393
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:33,800
What's the OR the evidence of
their corruption?

1394
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:37,040
They draw near to me with their
lips, but their hearts are far

1395
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:41,160
from me.
They teach for doctrines the

1396
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:45,240
commandments of men, as we know
the philosophies of men mingled

1397
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:48,480
with Scripture.
Which I believe is an actual

1398
01:26:48,480 --> 01:26:50,360
degree at BYU these days.
I'm.

1399
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:53,720
Just saying, yes, yeah, I think
last time I looked at the

1400
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:55,560
philosophy department, that's
something you can major.

1401
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:58,120
In Yeah, it was the philosophies
of men mingled with scripture.

1402
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:06,280
Yes, it is.
Yes, yeah, the all the critical

1403
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:10,840
theory, gender theory, mixing of
scripture with the OK.

1404
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:13,600
They know.
They know I don't need to

1405
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:14,600
elicit.
They know.

1406
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:16,280
That's sorry, I just.
Had to get.

1407
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:19,120
I just had to get that in there.
I no I shouldn't have done that.

1408
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:22,200
Hey, look, we love Bru.
Some of the departments in the

1409
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:28,400
social sciences are maybe a
little, no, not a little, a lot

1410
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:31,400
overboard in certain respects.
Look, I went to school at Boise

1411
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:34,160
State and the same was every
time a cougar cries, an Angel

1412
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:36,800
gets a twinks.
And I'm just saying it's, it's

1413
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,160
a, it's a piece of doctrine
that's just not well known.

1414
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:40,520
That's right.
Amen.

1415
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:45,080
We love it so.
They teach her doctrines, the

1416
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:49,280
commandments of men having a
form of godliness, but they deny

1417
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:51,680
the powers thereof.
Offensive, right?

1418
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:52,800
I mean.
Right.

1419
01:27:53,440 --> 01:27:56,520
The Ward's laying it out.
He's not, he's not Menton words.

1420
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:59,280
He's he's getting right to the
heart of the matter here.

1421
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:04,440
That's right.
And it's it it is kind of

1422
01:28:04,440 --> 01:28:09,000
putting those professors of
religion on notice.

1423
01:28:10,480 --> 01:28:13,760
Yeah, it's, it's, it's a bold
statement.

1424
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:20,520
And too often, I think in our
quest to be, to be kind people,

1425
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:26,040
we too often end up not
appreciating that scripture for

1426
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:29,320
what it really means and what
that message really means.

1427
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:36,120
Right, the look, the restored
gospel is, is not only

1428
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:38,280
defensible, but worthy of being
defended.

1429
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:43,440
And, and the reality is, is that
we have to stand up for it.

1430
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:47,520
And, and there are times and
places to shut your mouth, but

1431
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:51,280
there are times and places to be
bold, right?

1432
01:28:51,440 --> 01:28:54,800
There are times and places to
say, no, this is how it is.

1433
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:57,960
I'm not going to walk it back.
I'm going to declare what's

1434
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:01,080
true.
And it may, it may hurt your

1435
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:03,840
feelings, but the the gospel is
is too important.

1436
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:08,520
Look here, Here's the thing.
Joseph's going to the Grove

1437
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:12,600
because he is pained, right?
Joseph's not going to the Grove

1438
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:15,640
because everything's great.
This is a young man who is

1439
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:20,280
deeply conflicted, and he's
going, look, this is a young man

1440
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:23,960
who on some level is probably,
like all of us, a little

1441
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:27,720
spiritually sick.
Now, when you go to a doctor,

1442
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:32,800
let's do it this way.
When Dave went to the doctor a

1443
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:37,480
few years back, the doctor did
not sugarcoat it for me, right?

1444
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:40,520
I walked in and he's like, dude,
you are fat.

1445
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:44,120
I have found the problem.
And you have exactly 4 Diet

1446
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:47,640
Pepsi's and a whole pepperoni
pizza in your bloodstream right

1447
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:52,800
now.
If you want to live, stop now.

1448
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:58,760
I appreciate that for my doctor.
I want my doctor to shoot me

1449
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:00,480
straight, 'cause I want to be
healthy.

1450
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:07,840
Now if, if that doctor would
have said, oh, Dave, you're just

1451
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:11,160
fine.
You're good the way you are.

1452
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:15,000
Just embrace that and keep doing
what you've been doing.

1453
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:18,560
You're doing great.
What's the results?

1454
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:20,320
The results are, I'm going to go
home.

1455
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:23,440
I'm going to continue to eat
pizza and I'm going to stroke

1456
01:30:23,440 --> 01:30:26,560
out at some point sitting on the
couch or on this podcast.

1457
01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:30,160
If it is on this podcast, I told
the girls to release it anyway

1458
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:33,840
because it's going to get so
many ratings at any point at

1459
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:38,680
any, at any rate, you want
someone to tell you the truth in

1460
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:41,040
these matters, right?
Because just like you need a

1461
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:43,160
physician to tell you, hey, bro,
you got cancer.

1462
01:30:43,480 --> 01:30:45,400
Good news is I think we know how
to treat it.

1463
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:47,800
But I got to give you the bad
news first.

1464
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:51,560
You got cancer.
Likewise, the Lord is is saying

1465
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:55,800
there's hope, but you got some
issues we got to work through if

1466
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:57,080
you want to be healthy
spiritual.

1467
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:02,280
And that may seem gruff at the
beginning, but these are serious

1468
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:05,760
matters, and there's not a lot
of room for for frivolity when

1469
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:08,760
the Lord is speaking about the
condition of the people that

1470
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:11,400
proclaim to worship Him.
Exactly.

1471
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:19,240
Look, I mentioned I talked last
time about Dietrich Bonhoeffer

1472
01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:23,560
and the cost of discipleship and
in the idea of costly grace.

1473
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:27,760
And he says right there in those
first few first chapter, in that

1474
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:32,000
first chapter, he says it's
costly grace and it's costly

1475
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:37,440
because it cost a man his life.
OK, listen, I want to be very

1476
01:31:37,440 --> 01:31:43,960
clear.
Our faith which we proclaim cost

1477
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:50,440
the blood of the Son of God,
Amen.

1478
01:31:50,440 --> 01:31:57,320
The faith which we proclaim
claimed the blood of his prophet

1479
01:31:58,480 --> 01:32:01,360
Joseph in these last days and
his brother Hiram, who would

1480
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:03,760
have most likely succeeded him
as prophet.

1481
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:07,560
Yep, it proclaimed the life of
countless prophets, right?

1482
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:11,480
Jesus says in the New Testament,
woe to Jerusalem that killeth

1483
01:32:11,480 --> 01:32:15,240
the prophets.
It costs the blood of Stephen

1484
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:18,520
Martyr, the first martyr of the
faith, who was a prophet who

1485
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:21,280
looked up into the heavens.
That's prophecy.

1486
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:28,560
This faith costs people's blood
and I am not going to sit back

1487
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:34,920
and walk on those men and women
who bravely gave their lives for

1488
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:38,520
this.
It costs too much for us to

1489
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:41,880
skirt back when things get a
little too offensive.

1490
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:44,840
Right.
Yeah, No, I agree.

1491
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:47,520
I agree.
And look, there's a certain

1492
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:50,400
power in just owning it.
Yeah, right.

1493
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:54,080
You you take.
If you're not constantly playing

1494
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:56,640
defense when someone says, well,
you're not really a Christian,

1495
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:00,760
And then all you do is get on
your heels and back tread and

1496
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:03,440
try to show the reason why you
are are a Christian.

1497
01:33:03,440 --> 01:33:07,200
I'm sorry, it it's gross.
Stop simping after a title.

1498
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:09,280
Yeah.
Right.

1499
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:11,960
Just own it, OK?
I'm not a Christian.

1500
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:14,360
In your eyes, so be it.
See.

1501
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:17,880
Get down the road right?
I got other things I'm working

1502
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:20,520
on, move on down the road.
Just own it.

1503
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:26,800
Take the power away from him.
At the end of the day, it will

1504
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:33,720
not matter if Joe Blow
considered you a follower of

1505
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:36,880
Messiah.
At the end of the day, the only

1506
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:40,960
thing will matter is if your
Father in heaven and his Son who

1507
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:45,840
is Christ our Lord, our Messiah
found you and said well done,

1508
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:49,880
thy good and faithful servant.
The only thing that matters.

1509
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:54,240
I love that poem by CT Stud.
He was a missionary who was a

1510
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:58,240
really great rugby player and
he's like actually Christ is

1511
01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:01,040
more important.
And so he gave that whole fame

1512
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:04,120
up so that he could go and
preach the gospel in India and

1513
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:09,280
China and anyway, or maybe not
India, but anyway ends up in

1514
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:13,760
Africa and he wrote this poem
and he says only one life twill

1515
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:16,720
soon be passed.
Only what's done for Christ will

1516
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:20,840
last.
Beautiful.

1517
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:23,840
We don't have the time.
Christ is what matters.

1518
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:26,440
We're going to proclaim it.
And what Christ proclaims and

1519
01:34:26,440 --> 01:34:29,280
what Christ proclaims here
matters it.

1520
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:31,320
It might hurt you, it might be
uncomfortable.

1521
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:34,000
It may require a shift in your
perspective because you've

1522
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:37,400
always assumed you were doing
the right thing, right?

1523
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:43,400
But no less that transformation
that's necessary is vital to

1524
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:46,880
your growth as a disciple.
When I when I was confronted

1525
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:49,560
with the with the truth and the
reality of the restored gospel,

1526
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:52,480
that is when I first decided to
actually read the Book of Mormon

1527
01:34:52,480 --> 01:34:54,200
for what it was.
And not through the critical

1528
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:58,520
lens of, of just assuming and
only reading the anti material,

1529
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:01,840
but actually considering other
perspectives of letting God work

1530
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:04,400
on me through the text by just
reading it for what it was.

1531
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:09,280
I was confronted with a lot of
baggage and junk that I didn't

1532
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:12,320
want to, that I had, that I
didn't want to get rid of.

1533
01:35:15,480 --> 01:35:18,080
And that's hard.
And that's a little offensive,

1534
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:20,480
right?
Like someone, you know, I don't

1535
01:35:20,480 --> 01:35:23,880
like it when people point out my
baggage and garbage, right?

1536
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:30,240
That hurts, You know, I don't
like to be told that the creeds

1537
01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:35,520
that I believe in are an
abomination, right?

1538
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:38,520
In other words, damnable
heresies.

1539
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:43,360
I don't like being told that my
relationship with God wasn't

1540
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:49,640
really a relationship that it
was right the drawing near with

1541
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:55,040
the lips hearts far from me.
But it it's true and it needs to

1542
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:56,440
be said when it needs to be
said.

1543
01:35:56,440 --> 01:35:59,080
And and I want I want to word it
this way.

1544
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:05,360
So, and maybe this will help us
kind of look at that offensive

1545
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:10,440
message in a different way too.
So when the Lord says of

1546
01:36:10,440 --> 01:36:14,400
Christendom in the first vision
that all their creeds were an

1547
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:18,040
abomination that the professors
are corrupt.

1548
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:22,400
All of them.
They draw near with their lips.

1549
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:26,120
The hearts are far from me form
of godliness deny a power

1550
01:36:26,120 --> 01:36:29,520
thereof.
I want us to be very clear.

1551
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:34,200
Condemnation is not the same
thing as hatred.

1552
01:36:34,480 --> 01:36:39,080
God is not saying I hate you.
He's not saying that I, you

1553
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:40,440
know, I just, I want nothing to
do with you.

1554
01:36:40,440 --> 01:36:42,040
I want you to die and burn in
hell.

1555
01:36:42,480 --> 01:36:47,440
We need to be very clear in
understanding that this is this

1556
01:36:47,440 --> 01:36:52,120
is a declaration of mourning.
The sun is mourning.

1557
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:56,840
If you've read, if you've, if
any of you have read the book of

1558
01:36:56,840 --> 01:36:59,880
Moses in the Pearl of Great
Price in that 7th chapter right

1559
01:36:59,880 --> 01:37:05,280
Enoch looks up and he says God
beheld the residue of the earth

1560
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:07,720
and wept.
Yeah.

1561
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,440
And Enoch is just like
dumbfounded.

1562
01:37:10,440 --> 01:37:15,360
He's like God, how hold up, How,
how can you weep?

1563
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:19,720
How do you, how are you crying
right now?

1564
01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:24,840
Like you're, you're holy.
You are holy and you see bad

1565
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:27,240
things.
You see sin and wickedness.

1566
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:30,280
You shouldn't be sad because of
that, right?

1567
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:33,040
You should.
You should get rid of it.

1568
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:36,880
Smite them down, destroy them,
send them to where they deserve.

1569
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:39,560
Give the people what they
deserve.

1570
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:41,040
That's the worldly mindset,
right?

1571
01:37:42,440 --> 01:37:44,400
Right.
Enoch says give the people what

1572
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:49,760
they deserve, don't weep.
And God says, these are my kids

1573
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:53,680
and I see all this anger and
hatred in their hearts that they

1574
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:57,080
kill their brothers.
And all I wanted was them to

1575
01:37:57,080 --> 01:37:58,880
worship.
All I wanted for them was to

1576
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:02,920
worship me and to choose me.
But yet they have hatred because

1577
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:05,920
to choose God is to choose love.
But yet they have hatred.

1578
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:11,000
And God was mourning.
He said, therefore, can you not

1579
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:14,240
see man of holiness as my name?
And because I demand holiness

1580
01:38:14,480 --> 01:38:16,960
and that's what I want.
That's why I weep, because I

1581
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:18,840
want.
I know what's best for you.

1582
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:21,640
And I know holiness restoration
is best for you.

1583
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:30,080
The Father is moved to weep.
The Son is moved to weep.

1584
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:32,760
And that weeping does spark the
Lord's anger.

1585
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:38,040
Let's not forget that in Moses
seven, He calls the creeds an

1586
01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:41,160
abomination.
And why?

1587
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:46,200
What did the creeds teach?
The creeds taught that God was

1588
01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:51,400
passionless, that is, unable to
feel emotion, that He was

1589
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:55,560
without emotion about it,
without a body or parts.

1590
01:38:57,280 --> 01:39:01,880
They taught that He was
incomprehensible and immaterial.

1591
01:39:05,440 --> 01:39:10,680
We have to conclude, then, that
the hearts of these men were as

1592
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:18,720
far from God as it gets.
How can you come to Him who is

1593
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:20,800
materially nothing?
What does it mean to be

1594
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:22,120
immaterial?
Only two things can be

1595
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:25,720
immaterial, right?
Right.

1596
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:31,160
Ideas or nothingness.
So in immature, in proclaiming

1597
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:34,840
an immaterial God, you proclaim
that God is either simply an

1598
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:40,480
idea or he is simply nothing.
How?

1599
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:45,000
How?
So interesting.

1600
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:52,000
How can you draw near to Him who
cannot be understood or truly

1601
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:55,320
known?
How can you come to Him who is

1602
01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:59,440
nothing or an idea?
How can you approach a being

1603
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:04,120
with compassion when that being
lacks the parts or passions to

1604
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:07,160
feel back?
How can you approach a God who

1605
01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:10,600
has no further interest in
communicating and revealing

1606
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:16,840
truth to his children?
The realization of the Church of

1607
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:21,200
Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints that God is and does

1608
01:40:21,200 --> 01:40:30,480
feel, is comprehensible, is
knowable, is material, makes it

1609
01:40:30,480 --> 01:40:34,080
the only true and living Church
on the face of the earth because

1610
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:38,520
is the is the only Church
capable of being living because

1611
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:44,840
it serves the only true and
living God. 100% well put.

1612
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:47,560
Can I?
I'm sorry, were you done?

1613
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:49,000
That's good.
Keep going.

1614
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:50,080
You you said what you need to
say.

1615
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:53,600
Yeah.
So this ties in something with

1616
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:58,960
something very important, right?
This this is so important the

1617
01:40:59,080 --> 01:41:01,320
the, the the nature of God,
right?

1618
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:05,240
The nature of deity itself.
And up until this point where

1619
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:08,920
Joseph gets this revelation, as
you were saying, this is a God

1620
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:10,880
without far form parts or
passions.

1621
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:17,000
OK, now Mormonism, especially
once you get into temple

1622
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:21,360
theology and temple practice, it
has a lot to do with what are

1623
01:41:21,480 --> 01:41:24,000
coined the mysteries of
godliness, OK?

1624
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:27,640
It's an understanding of who God
is and how we relate to him.

1625
01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:31,280
Now I want to take you to John
17 three, which is going to

1626
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:37,680
absolutely upend this, right?
And I'm sure you know it because

1627
01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:40,840
you've read all the books and
it's this.

1628
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:45,000
And this is life eternal.
OK, He's going to tell you, you

1629
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:48,920
want eternal life.
This is it that they might know

1630
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:53,920
the the only true God and Jesus
Christ whom thou has sent.

1631
01:41:54,480 --> 01:41:56,960
OK, that's telling you right
there.

1632
01:41:57,280 --> 01:42:01,560
How important is it to have a
correct notion of God is

1633
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:07,560
eternal, it's life eternal.
It is, it is everything to know

1634
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:12,840
the mysteries of godliness.
And, and I loved what you had to

1635
01:42:12,840 --> 01:42:17,920
say there because you, you put
it so eloquently that and, and I

1636
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:22,000
love what you said about if you
espouse and, and I'm going to

1637
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:24,360
paraphrase here and if I get it
wrong, stop me because I don't

1638
01:42:24,360 --> 01:42:28,200
want to put words in your mouth.
But if you espouse the God of

1639
01:42:28,480 --> 01:42:32,960
sectarian Christianity, you
either have to say he's an idea

1640
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:34,520
or he's nothing.
Yeah.

1641
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:41,000
Contrary to what John what?
What is said in John 17 Three.

1642
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:43,520
That's right.
Yeah, percent.

1643
01:42:44,440 --> 01:42:48,160
And in accord with John 17
three, the Prophet Joseph Smith

1644
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:52,440
boldly declared it is It is the
first principle of the gospel to

1645
01:42:52,440 --> 01:42:55,160
know for a certainty the
character of God.

1646
01:42:56,040 --> 01:42:58,480
Yeah.
And this God of the creeds,

1647
01:42:58,680 --> 01:43:03,000
which has been proclaimed, which
is immaterial and is nothing,

1648
01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:06,120
might as well be dead because of
all that he lacks.

1649
01:43:06,480 --> 01:43:10,320
In the 1960s, Time magazine
asked the question on its cover,

1650
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:14,880
Is God dead?
And if we're referring to the

1651
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:21,280
God of the rest of Christianity,
God has been dead for a long

1652
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:23,800
time.
He doesn't exist.

1653
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:29,520
And now on the.
Upside Joseph learned so much

1654
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:33,760
about the nature of God and just
one vision.

1655
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:37,520
That's right.
In just one vision, he sets the

1656
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:46,960
entire Christian world on fire.
Right in in in diverse ways, one

1657
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:50,440
that God is still interested in
a relationship with you, that

1658
01:43:50,440 --> 01:44:00,000
God shows up and God talks and
in another sense baffling the

1659
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:03,760
Trinitarian mind, God is
separate.

1660
01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:09,040
It is a social Trinity of
persons, right?

1661
01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:13,640
And 3rd man of holiness is my
name.

1662
01:44:13,640 --> 01:44:16,960
God is a man.
Or in other words, as you could

1663
01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:19,280
say it if we were speaking
Hebrew, God is Adam.

1664
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:21,480
Oh no, are we?
They're not ready for that one.

1665
01:44:21,480 --> 01:44:27,760
Though here we go.
Well I like how you work that in

1666
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:30,120
there bro.
The Adam God doctrines

1667
01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:32,080
everywhere.
OK, I'm just going to say it.

1668
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:34,400
But it is.
It is.

1669
01:44:34,840 --> 01:44:37,880
It absolutely is.
Oh, that's good stuff.

1670
01:44:38,280 --> 01:44:39,920
All right.
I didn't mean to derail us.

1671
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:42,640
No, that was that was perfect.
That was important.

1672
01:44:44,160 --> 01:44:50,600
I it's so critical, right?
God's not God's not mad at you.

1673
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:54,760
I mean, there is anger that is
kindled because of of choosing

1674
01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:57,160
ways that are false.
But God doesn't hate you.

1675
01:44:57,160 --> 01:44:58,880
He doesn't want your
destruction.

1676
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:04,600
God wants the opposite of your
destruction, but he's going to

1677
01:45:04,600 --> 01:45:06,280
call you out when you need to be
called out.

1678
01:45:06,280 --> 01:45:08,080
He calls me out, He calls you
out.

1679
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:11,680
He calls the world out because
that's what he has to do because

1680
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:16,080
he's a parent and parents remind
their kids, look, there's, there

1681
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:25,600
are consequences to this choice.
Now regarding that, that phrase

1682
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:28,320
there where it says have they
had a form of godliness, but

1683
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:33,320
they deny the power thereof.
I just wanted to say that

1684
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:40,400
Christendom by their creeds had
made God impotent, reducing him

1685
01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:42,800
to being immaterial like we
said, right?

1686
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:46,960
Right.
It's only when we have a

1687
01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:51,920
relationship with the living God
that we can experience or see

1688
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:57,720
his power manifest ideas.
Ideas are, you know, ideas would

1689
01:45:57,720 --> 01:46:00,160
be the only part of
immateriality that have any type

1690
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:03,360
of power, but they don't have
the same power which leads to

1691
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:07,440
life and salvation, the power of
a personal relationship, right?

1692
01:46:09,040 --> 01:46:11,320
They deny the power they don't
have the they have the form of

1693
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:15,120
godliness because they seek to
to live religiously, but they

1694
01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:19,600
don't experience God, so they
can't have true godliness power

1695
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:22,160
of manifest.
Right.

1696
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:26,960
That power which leads to life
and salvation can only come

1697
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:33,080
forth when when it is something
real and something concrete that

1698
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:35,280
that you talked about in John
17, three.

1699
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:38,920
It has to go beyond more
ideology, mere ideology, and it

1700
01:46:38,920 --> 01:46:44,360
has to transform us by having an
actual encounter with the real

1701
01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:47,280
and concrete God of the
scriptures and the universe.

1702
01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:53,200
The Prophet Joseph says that a
religion that does not require

1703
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:57,000
the sacrifice of all things
never has power sufficient to

1704
01:46:57,000 --> 01:47:01,040
produce the faith necessary unto
life and salvation.

1705
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:05,280
And that sacrifice begins with
the sacrifice of a real person,

1706
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:07,880
The sacrifice of the God of the
universe.

1707
01:47:07,880 --> 01:47:11,560
The God, the, the first, the,
the Lamb slain from the

1708
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:17,560
foundation of the world, the Son
of God, that member of the

1709
01:47:17,560 --> 01:47:23,760
Godhead who formed in world's
past a a covenant with three

1710
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:26,360
persons, an everlasting
covenant.

1711
01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:32,720
And, and that same in the
lectures on faith where we just

1712
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:36,160
quoted, he says like faith is
something where you have to

1713
01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:39,440
believe that he actually exists,
right?

1714
01:47:41,160 --> 01:47:44,120
Ideas don't actually exist.
Now there are philosophical

1715
01:47:44,120 --> 01:47:47,560
schools of thought that even
believe that thoughts are real

1716
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:52,360
and concrete and material, but
that's ridiculous.

1717
01:47:52,360 --> 01:47:56,200
I'm not going to go there.
A little too new AG A.

1718
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:59,560
Little too new AG and my
thoughts would not exist if I

1719
01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:02,120
didn't exist.
Therefore they're dependent upon

1720
01:48:02,120 --> 01:48:03,760
my existence.
So I I would just say that's

1721
01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:06,240
ridiculous.
They're not self existent, yeah.

1722
01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:11,760
Right.
Whereas humans being materially

1723
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:16,400
eternal, are sufficient and self
existent by contrast.

1724
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:22,480
So right, that's that's what's
that's that's those are some of

1725
01:48:22,480 --> 01:48:24,040
the interesting things that are
going on here, right?

1726
01:48:26,480 --> 01:48:33,080
These creeds are abominable
because not because people have

1727
01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:36,720
made these formulations.
They're abominable because they

1728
01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:39,160
take people away from the
understanding of the true

1729
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:41,560
character of God that we talked
about in John.

1730
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:45,040
They're abominable because they
prevent people from truly having

1731
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:52,840
an encounter with the true God.
I can't, I can't believe, you

1732
01:48:52,840 --> 01:48:55,640
know, I can't, I can't
experience what I don't believe

1733
01:48:55,640 --> 01:49:03,960
in 100.
Percent, 100% they it's almost

1734
01:49:03,960 --> 01:49:05,360
like they never had a chance,
right?

1735
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:08,360
With the Trinity.
I mean, there's no way you're

1736
01:49:08,360 --> 01:49:11,520
going to come to a true
knowledge given that.

1737
01:49:13,080 --> 01:49:14,920
The mind is, the mind is
darkened.

1738
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:19,400
And, and I think it's telling
and, and we'll talk more about

1739
01:49:19,400 --> 01:49:21,920
this next week, but I think it's
telling that the majority of

1740
01:49:22,520 --> 01:49:26,280
Trinitarians, like especially
the lay people, not the, not the

1741
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:29,160
priesthood, that there's the lay
average member in the Pew

1742
01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:32,640
doesn't understand the Trinity.
And if you ask them to explain

1743
01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:35,080
the Trinity, they would end up
explaining what is considered by

1744
01:49:35,080 --> 01:49:41,120
those churches to be a heresy.
That should tell you a lot about

1745
01:49:41,240 --> 01:49:42,920
the belief.
And, and we'll, we'll, we'll go

1746
01:49:42,920 --> 01:49:45,320
back, we'll repeat that again
next week when we talk a little

1747
01:49:45,320 --> 01:49:50,200
bit more about the Nicene Creed.
But it's, it's so critical.

1748
01:49:52,040 --> 01:49:55,680
Your theology should bring you
into a relationship with God.

1749
01:49:57,440 --> 01:50:05,280
And, and, and so that's why the
restoration matters.

1750
01:50:07,680 --> 01:50:13,040
What the micro level of the
individual restoration does is

1751
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:16,000
it puts you in the right
relationship with God.

1752
01:50:16,280 --> 01:50:18,080
It changes you and makes you
new.

1753
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:23,760
It heals you so that you can be
whole and when you were whole,

1754
01:50:23,960 --> 01:50:29,480
you can encounter God with
nothing held back right on the

1755
01:50:29,480 --> 01:50:32,440
other side.
The restoration of the gospel is

1756
01:50:32,440 --> 01:50:40,520
so critical because the restored
church teaches us how to come

1757
01:50:40,520 --> 01:50:43,840
into that relationship with God.
It gives us the principles and

1758
01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:48,280
the ordinances to meet Him.
Absolutely.

1759
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:55,360
It really is about a
relationship with deity.

1760
01:50:55,640 --> 01:51:00,920
And so often it's been another
common criticism that Mormons

1761
01:51:00,920 --> 01:51:03,440
don't develop that personal
relationship with deity.

1762
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:05,600
Right.
They say, well, Joseph gets in

1763
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:07,240
the way or Brigham gets in the
way.

1764
01:51:07,240 --> 01:51:14,240
Well, no, slow your roll, right?
Like, and, and I want to say

1765
01:51:14,240 --> 01:51:17,600
this, we should all be like a
little more like Joseph and

1766
01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:21,520
Brigham because ultimately what
they did, what a true prophet,

1767
01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:26,960
in my opinion, will do
prophesying.

1768
01:51:27,080 --> 01:51:29,360
Absolutely.
It's on the table seership.

1769
01:51:29,440 --> 01:51:35,560
It's on the table, calls to
repentance vital, but more than

1770
01:51:35,960 --> 01:51:41,640
anything else, a prophet should
be an appointment setter so that

1771
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:46,000
he can point people towards the
Savior and let them encounter

1772
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:48,720
the Savior at whatever level
they're at.

1773
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:50,440
Maybe it's not a personal
visitation.

1774
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:53,000
Maybe it's just an encounter of
the heart.

1775
01:51:53,320 --> 01:51:55,760
And that's a good place to
start, right?

1776
01:51:56,560 --> 01:52:00,000
But nonetheless, and, and I
think it's probably a good thing

1777
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:02,600
for us to remember as we engage
in missionary work and other

1778
01:52:02,600 --> 01:52:06,640
things, the Lord and, and the
Holy Ghost can do their own

1779
01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:09,720
work.
All we got to do is set the

1780
01:52:09,720 --> 01:52:12,280
appointment for somebody else
and point them in the direction

1781
01:52:12,280 --> 01:52:14,200
of his office and he'll take
care of the rest.

1782
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:20,520
And, and we have the ability to
say no, no, no.

1783
01:52:20,720 --> 01:52:23,720
God is so much closer to you
than you realize.

1784
01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:27,400
He is not just your spiritual
father.

1785
01:52:27,400 --> 01:52:32,760
He is your physical father.
He cared for you so deeply that

1786
01:52:32,760 --> 01:52:37,720
he was willing to endure
hardships of mortality all over

1787
01:52:37,720 --> 01:52:43,960
again so that he could hold your
progenitors in his hands.

1788
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:46,680
I can't think of a more
beautiful God.

1789
01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:49,320
Yeah, yeah, it is.
It's so.

1790
01:52:49,440 --> 01:52:55,240
He's so beautiful, he says in
DNC 19, right?

1791
01:52:55,240 --> 01:52:59,840
These things have I suffered
that they might not suffer if

1792
01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:02,640
they would repent.
This suffering caused even I

1793
01:53:02,640 --> 01:53:07,480
God, the greatest of all, to
tremble because of pain.

1794
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:09,800
God went through all these
things.

1795
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:13,680
So he has a right to be
frustrated and angry.

1796
01:53:13,680 --> 01:53:20,360
When you when you twist who he
is, God reveals himself as a

1797
01:53:20,360 --> 01:53:22,360
man.
Hey, he's not a man.

1798
01:53:22,360 --> 01:53:24,640
He's just some immaterial being
in the sky, right?

1799
01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:28,920
He doesn't have a physical form,
he can't feel emotions.

1800
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:33,000
God feels all the time and.
You know I.

1801
01:53:33,280 --> 01:53:33,960
That's it.
Sorry.

1802
01:53:33,960 --> 01:53:35,400
Go ahead.
No, no, that's it.

1803
01:53:35,400 --> 01:53:39,520
That's good.
I was, I was going to say, I

1804
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:42,080
think this should also serve as
a warning, right?

1805
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:45,640
What you just said there about
being able to approach God, that

1806
01:53:45,640 --> 01:53:51,800
if you knowingly and I, I want
to say knowingly twist God into

1807
01:53:51,800 --> 01:53:57,040
something he's not and then
proclaiming that God, how mad

1808
01:53:57,040 --> 01:54:03,120
would I be as a father if one of
my kids twisted who I was to one

1809
01:54:03,120 --> 01:54:05,360
of my other kids?
Like, oh, don't approach dad.

1810
01:54:06,120 --> 01:54:09,720
You can't approach him, right?
Just the fatherly instinct is

1811
01:54:09,720 --> 01:54:13,680
enough to be like, Oh, I'm going
to drop my boots right?

1812
01:54:13,680 --> 01:54:19,360
Like here we go.
And I, I do, I I just can't get

1813
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:22,600
over that fact right.
So yeah, you're right, he does

1814
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:26,240
have a reason to be upset.
His relationship to some of his

1815
01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:29,520
kids have been have been stunted
to a certain degree.

1816
01:54:30,040 --> 01:54:31,240
They have.
Yeah.

1817
01:54:31,240 --> 01:54:38,120
And you know, it's, it's, it's,
it's awful.

1818
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:41,800
And, and there are so many that
don't know the truth because

1819
01:54:41,800 --> 01:54:44,920
they don't know where to find it
and they're just lost stumbling

1820
01:54:44,920 --> 01:54:47,360
around in the dark.
And that's that's why the onus

1821
01:54:47,360 --> 01:54:50,360
is on us as Christians to share
that ministry of reconciliation

1822
01:54:50,360 --> 01:54:54,360
that we were talking about in
2nd Corinthians 5, because

1823
01:54:54,360 --> 01:54:57,160
people have to know who God is,
right?

1824
01:54:58,080 --> 01:55:07,040
When, when you realize that God
took the worst in you and made

1825
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:09,440
it into something that could
count in this world.

1826
01:55:10,680 --> 01:55:14,520
When you realize all the pain
that he took from you.

1827
01:55:15,640 --> 01:55:19,000
You can't just sit around and
not do anything.

1828
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:20,400
You got to shout it from the
rooftops.

1829
01:55:21,240 --> 01:55:25,160
Brother Joseph once said that a
man filled with the love of God

1830
01:55:25,160 --> 01:55:28,200
is not content with blessing his
whole, his family alone.

1831
01:55:28,760 --> 01:55:32,240
He's going to go and move upon,
be moved upon to fill the whole

1832
01:55:32,240 --> 01:55:35,280
world, all the families till all
the families are blessed.

1833
01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:39,280
And that's, that's what God was
doing with this covenant.

1834
01:55:39,320 --> 01:55:41,680
This covenant which was restored
in Jeremiah 31.

1835
01:55:41,680 --> 01:55:44,920
This restored covenant.
It's, it's the one that began

1836
01:55:44,920 --> 01:55:49,880
with Abraham.
He said all the families of the

1837
01:55:49,880 --> 01:55:55,880
earth are going to be blessed.
We can't be content and settled

1838
01:55:55,880 --> 01:56:01,280
in enough to stick to our own
thing because we've got this

1839
01:56:01,280 --> 01:56:04,080
right.
Yes, we may be Israel and we are

1840
01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:09,400
part of the elect, but the idea
of of God's revelation of Christ

1841
01:56:10,200 --> 01:56:12,440
is that God's family is getting
bigger.

1842
01:56:13,440 --> 01:56:18,360
Absolutely.
Israel is a country with

1843
01:56:18,520 --> 01:56:23,400
immigration laws, but it has no
stipulations on who can be a

1844
01:56:23,400 --> 01:56:28,080
member and who can be a citizen.
If you were willing to come unto

1845
01:56:28,080 --> 01:56:32,120
Him in the terms and conditions
that He is set, if you are

1846
01:56:32,120 --> 01:56:36,320
willing to obey His commandments
and live by every word which

1847
01:56:36,320 --> 01:56:39,680
proceeds forth of the mouth of
God, and willing to be adopted

1848
01:56:39,680 --> 01:56:46,920
in as sons and daughters crying
ABBA, Father, you can be a part

1849
01:56:46,920 --> 01:56:50,840
of this thing, because you were
meant to be a part of this

1850
01:56:50,840 --> 01:56:54,440
family all along.
Right.

1851
01:56:56,240 --> 01:57:00,040
Oh, that's good stuff.
Good, good stuff.

1852
01:57:00,640 --> 01:57:03,200
Well man, is there anything else
you wanted to hit on this this

1853
01:57:03,200 --> 01:57:04,840
part?
I think that's good.

1854
01:57:04,840 --> 01:57:07,240
I think we have a really good
foundation for looking at the

1855
01:57:07,240 --> 01:57:11,640
creeds.
So the short explanation of the

1856
01:57:11,640 --> 01:57:14,880
creeds and things in the
council's that we're going to be

1857
01:57:14,880 --> 01:57:16,640
talking about in a little bit of
the history of early

1858
01:57:16,640 --> 01:57:21,240
Christianity.
The the short that we get here

1859
01:57:21,240 --> 01:57:23,560
in just Smith history is that
everything we're going to be

1860
01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:29,480
looking at is abominable, which
I, I, I say that in in joking

1861
01:57:29,480 --> 01:57:32,160
just a little bit.
There are there are truths found

1862
01:57:32,160 --> 01:57:34,680
in these creeds.
There are things that you can

1863
01:57:34,680 --> 01:57:39,480
say Hallelujah, praise the Lord,
I will worship at his feet

1864
01:57:39,880 --> 01:57:43,760
believing this statement.
But there are other things that

1865
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:45,760
are going to be like we talked
about this twisting.

1866
01:57:46,080 --> 01:57:47,600
It all happens a little bit by
bit.

1867
01:57:47,600 --> 01:57:51,040
Apostasy is a process just like
restoration is a process.

1868
01:57:51,640 --> 01:57:54,080
And so we're going to see that
process unfolding.

1869
01:57:55,080 --> 01:57:58,440
You know, it's interesting.
I once when I, when I took a

1870
01:57:58,440 --> 01:58:02,760
philosophy course my first time,
I was in college, the philosophy

1871
01:58:02,760 --> 01:58:06,960
professor asked a question and
he said, what's more dangerous,

1872
01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:14,280
a lie that's 100% false or a lie
that is 90% true?

1873
01:58:16,360 --> 01:58:20,960
And you got you thinking right?
Like, well, really the lie

1874
01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:27,280
that's 10% falls is more
dangerous because you're going

1875
01:58:27,280 --> 01:58:31,120
to be able to swallow that lie.
It's like when you have got to

1876
01:58:31,120 --> 01:58:34,040
give your dog a pill, right?
You wrap that thing in hamburger

1877
01:58:34,520 --> 01:58:37,200
and he doesn't know he's taking
the pill, right?

1878
01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:38,800
And you got to give your dog
some medicine.

1879
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:41,080
It's the same concept.
It's a little easier to swallow

1880
01:58:41,080 --> 01:58:45,800
some heresy if it's enveloped in
in some truth.

1881
01:58:46,240 --> 01:58:49,520
And so I think that's also
something important to keep keep

1882
01:58:49,520 --> 01:58:53,720
in mind as next week we move on
to the councils.

1883
01:58:54,920 --> 01:58:59,840
So dude, this was awesome.
I appreciate you hang out for 5

1884
01:58:59,840 --> 01:59:00,440
minutes.
All right.

1885
01:59:00,720 --> 01:59:02,680
Let's do it.
Awesome.

1886
01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:04,240
Thanks.
Bye everybody.