Episode#56: Instalment 5 in the Jewish Calendar Series, Purim W/Joshua Erickson

0:05 Today I have Joshua Erickson back on the podcast to continue our series, on the Jewish calendar and holidays. Now if you remember Joshua and I have had a few conversations up to this point. If you haven't listened to any of our prior conversations, I would strongly encourage you to go back and listen to those episodes first. There are episodes number fifteen, twenty seven, twenty eight, thirty and forty. The reason for this is that they all kind of build on each other. On this episode, we have a conversation about Perrine. We talk about the biblical story behind the And the deeper meanings of the story and how it shows us that even when we don't think God is around. He's always there. And finally, and how the holiday is kept today. That's next on this episode of the Mormon Renegade podcast, So I want to take just a few moments here and just say, thank you for listening.

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3:17 Glad to be here. Thanks for having me, so we're on Purim now. That's right. /. Awesome. Okay. Keep the back story. What is Purim? Oh, okay. So that problem is, is the Feast of Esther. Also known as the Feast of Esther program actually is a Hebrew word, Perrine means Lots as in like casting lots. Okay. And so, It's called that because of the things that happened in the story. So just kind of brief overview of the story and we'll get into maybe some specifics. But this story happens when the kingdom of Judah, the southern kingdom is in captivity in Babylon, and then, in Persia.

4:03 And right, there's the, the king. The king is a crash with a Roche and he, he has a queen vashti, and she displeases him. And he gets rid of her looks for a new Queen and Esther is, you know, comes up as one of the possibilities. So is this King and Israelite, is he Israeli? He is, he is Persian, okay, yep. So you know the story probably are already many people do but just to keep going here, Esther keeps her Jewish identity secret and eventually she has chosen to be Queen but there's some Some Intrigue on the side, there's the bad guy in.

4:47 The story is name is Amin or Heyman, and he has a plan to destroy all the Jews because he's been offended by Mordecai. Who is Esther's cousin. And you know, the this plan that he has to destroy all the Jews comes to light and Esther petitions the king but it's a dangerous thing to do but cheap petitions the king to get the The the the decree reversed and they're not able to do that but they do come up with a solution and the Jews are saved and Hallman gets killed and Mordecai gets exalted. And then they have a big party to celebrate, you know, their Liberation, their salvation from destruction. You know, that's one of those stories that I feel like probably doesn't get enough to run. Right.

5:40 Because oftentimes you hear, you know, well you get into biblical. A friend. You know women are quote unquote second-class citizens. And here it's a woman that saves the entire nation. Yeah. She's The Queen Esther is the hero Mordecai as well. They are but you know Esther has an enormous role to play and yeah I think I think it doesn't get that much attention and there's actually good reasons for that. There's story of Esther, the Book of Esther is a very complex book actually And there are a lot of themes woven through the book, but one of them is hidden things, okay? So it might be surprising to even people who have read, it might be surprised to realize that the Book of Esther is the only book in the entire Canon of scripture that does not mention God, really?

6:39 He is completely Anonymous and hidden in the Book of Esther. So no one, there's no, there's no profits, There's No Visions. There's no Miracles, no one even says a prayer. Huh, and so that's not the only hidden thing. There are other hidden things to like like Esther's identity, she keeps her, she keeps herself hidden like the plans of Holman, he keeps those hidden. There is a secret plot to kill the king and there's all these kind of secret things that eventually all come to light and that's that's So that's one of the themes is, there's these hidden things that eventually come to light. And one of the ways that premium is celebrated is by wearing disguises or cause doing is oh it's a costume party. Nice.

7:37 Yep. So everyone comes dressed up and so that's fun, we whatever, we celebrate it. We, we do that nice. Yeah. So Esters in Disguise and even gods in Disguise in, in the book which is another one of the kind of Things about the story of Esther is this idea that God is manifested in the lives of these people through coincidences essentially that that there's no Miracles. Like I said, there's no Miracles, there's nothing that you could point at as a supernatural intervention, that God makes in the outcome.

8:20 And yet when you pull this, When you look at the entire string of events, the the out know, the the likelihood of having that series of outcomes and up in the favor of the Jews, just makes it undeniable that. Yes, God was there behind the scenes, so to speak, you know, pulling strings. And so that's, that's kind of a one of the take-home messages I guess. Is that even if it seems like God's not, God's not around, if you're not hearing God's voice, Ace, you're not seeing Miracles, like he is still there. Pulling strings behind the scenes and he has his his purposes and his timing for revealing himself, but he's not in active. He just has plans that he's working out. So, so that's important thing.

9:15 Yeah, it's a huge takeaway. I don't know how many times I know in my life. I've looked up and just been like, where are you? Yeah. Where are you and and I suppose that's that's the the wisdom in the part of the wisdom and the book, right? And that it is actually book is very wise. You don't see them, you don't hear from him but he's there. Yeah. Even you know I think of the One of the letters of Joseph Smith. I can't remember section 120 or 121 around there. Yeah, was in Liberty, Jail? Yeah. How long shall the Pavilion cover? I can't remember the, you know, how long will you be hiding, right? God, like where are you in? This is Joseph, who's just has like this stream of saw them right here, stream of miraculous, Heavenly visitations and things being frustrated for this. Moment of silence, you know, so there's been longer moments of Silence here.

10:15 There have been sure centuries of Silence but but the story of Esther kind of just demonstrates that even in those. So apparent moments of silence or even centuries of Silence that God still orchestrating things behind the scenes. So yeah. And I think we all have that Dark Night of the Soul at some point. All right, we're just Everything's gone to hell and we can't seem to figure it out and we all have that moment and I think I think when we see Heroes like that struggle with that idea, I think that that can only serve to bolster our faith, right? Is that even even if our spiritual heroes are on occasion, say where are you?

11:01 God, I think I think that allows us to have A little bit of Grace with ourselves. When we look back, Shane, go, wow! Maybe I didn't handle at, right, rather than beat ourselves up, it gives us the opportunity to reflect and grow a little more. Yeah, there's some humility there. So Perrine is it is a Biblical holiday obviously to the Book of Esther but it is it is one of those holidays that you could appropriately call Jewish So, the other holidays, you know, Passover and Tabernacles and Rosh, Hashanah are those are those are actually bigger than Jewish. Those are Israelite Feast, those are biblical view of. Those are commanded things, but this was something that was experienced by the Jews.

11:55 So meaning those from those, from the southern Kingdom, and I have to kind of make that point. Because Esther and Mordecai, who are the heroes of the story. They are not actually from the tribe of Judah. De and yet in the story, they are called Jews. They're actually both from The Tribe of Benjamin, okay? But the story in the story, they are called Jews. And that's because they're from the southern Kingdom of Judah. So with this in, correct me if I'm wrong, it, would this be classified? More is like a cultural holiday then yeah, it is a, it is a cultural holiday, I would say but it definitely has religious undertones overtones. Yeah, religious.

12:36 You know, it's much like, like, our Thanksgiving or Independence Day. Okay. As far as I'm concerned, those are those are, those are religious holidays. They absolutely are. Yeah. So, but not, but those are things that are not commanded in the scriptures necessarily. Now, interesting thing though is, even though premium is not commanded thing. It's not, it's not on the list of things in the Torah, there is a strong hint. At it, so kind of like with Hanukkah or we talked about last time in Leviticus 23, has the list of all of the commanded feast days and also Yom Kippur, which is not a feast day, it's a fast day. So those are all listed there in the order that they're celebrated.

13:26 And then you go to Leviticus 24 and it says, keep the lamps burning all the time. So, it's like there's kind of this hint at Hanukkah, so the Torah has the hint. About premium as well. And I'm going to go to Numbers chapter 24. I think it is yes. Now interesting thing is, when Esther and Mordecai are living in Persia They they have Persian names, so it's kind of like Daniel. And, you know, Daniels his Hebrew name, right? And his Persian, you know, his Babylonian name was belteshazzar and Shadrach Meshach and Abednego. Abednego.

14:17 Those are all Babylonian names as well. It's hananiah. I can't remember hananiah mishael. I can't remember the names of the three. Maybe it's all good anyway, so they Esther and Mordecai. They have those, those are actually a Persian names. So, esters Hebrew name is Hadassah, which is mentioned in the text had also, which is the Hebrew word for myrtle tree, okay? And but her Persian named Esther means star. So Esters Esters, this is like the same as the origin of our word like astronomy or astrology.

15:01 Okay, name is Esther Aster. Okay, so her name is a star, so anyway, it's a lot to live up. That is yeah, I guess you could think. So, in in Numbers, chapter 24, verse with numbers numbers. 24, first of all, this is where Balaam has been being hired to attempt to curse Israel, right? Just fails over and over. Okay and ends up blessing them but in let's see verse 17. Now this is usually this is usually taken to be Be a prophecy about the Messiah and I think that it is but just like the the Messiah is has foreshadowing by many of the prophets and other characters in the scriptures. This prophecy is fulfilled in both Esther and also the Messiah.

15:57 So so in verse 17 it says that in the future there shall come a star out of Jacob. And scepter. So this is going to be is going to be royal, a Royal Star is going to come out of Jacob out of Israel and he shell and shall Smite the corners of Moab and destroy all the children of Chef and Edom, shall be a possession crl. So she'll be a possession for his enemies and Israel shall do valiantly. So it's talking about a battle. Out of Jacob shall come, he that shall have dominion and shall destroy him that remains in the city. And when he looketh on amalek, he took up his Parable and said amalek was the first of the nation's, but his latter end shall be that he perish forever. Okay.

16:47 Amalek is also mentioned earlier. Actually, in verse 7, he shall pour the water out of his buckets and his seed shall be in many Waters. And his King shall be his King. Meaning Israel. Should be higher than a gag and his kingdom shall be exalted. So a gag and amalek these actually are tie into the story of Esther as well. So let me well, I guess I can talk about that right now. So one of the one of the themes of the story of Esther is actually the Redemption of King Saul. You remember Saul was Israel's first king, right? Yeah.

17:33 And he was also a benjamite, huh, right? So here we have this, this first king of Israel benjamite. And then we have Esther and Mordecai. They are also benjamites. And actually interesting, if you go to Esther chapter, I think in Chapter 2, we see here. It mentions a partial genealogy of Mordecai. Okay, it is into, oh, yeah, to verse 5. Now in shushan, which is the capital city.

18:16 There was a certain Jew, whose name was Mordecai. The son of J are the son of shimmy. I the son of Kish, a benjamite. So interestingly in Kish, Kish and Jer, and shimmy. I these are all relatives of Saul as well and and so by just with this little mention right here there's a clue. Now there's there's a larger like kind of an expanded Cannon. I would say of the scriptures called the targums, have you heard of the target?

18:59 So basically I Two things that are things is basically like the jst like ancient jst, okay, they have their the scriptures with like added explanations and clarifications. Alright, so in the, in the targum of Esther it actually explicitly ties Mordecai to King Saul like he's a direct descent. Oh, okay, okay. And Esther is Esters as well because they're cousins, right? So okay. Okay. Now, ultimately ultimately King Saul fails and the kingdom is taken from him. That's in first Samuel 15, I won't go read it.

19:42 But basically Samuel tells him it's time to go after egg and egg. Egg is the king of the amalekites and and who are the amalekites amalek. The original amalek is the grandson of Edom or Esau? Okay, okay. So so all three of those names were mentioned in Numbers chapter 24 when talks about a star will rise up with a scepter and will basically subdue Edom amalek and egg. So the okay, okay, so so what happens is The first, let's back up a little bit more.

20:29 Why is amalek problem? Well, when the children of Israel came out of Egypt, and there are going through the Wilderness, amalek the amalekites, they actually kind of sneak up behind the Israelite Camp, right? And start like killing the stragglers women and children, and people who are lagging behind, and, and then, this is where they have their big battle where Moses goes up on the hill. And he's got His arms held up you know by area her. Okay Aaron and Hur and Joshua is down there as the commander of the army and eventually amalek is defeated but not entirely they just defeat him in that one battle So eventually they get established in the land. Saul is chosen to be king and Samuel says it's time to go and take care of the amalekites for what they did. And they're still they Still want to destroy Israel. So we're going to go take care of that and Saul is told to spare nothing right.

21:36 Says, wipe out everything man woman. Child and even the cattle sheep cows, everything you just and your, and also, all their stuff, you know, they're whatever treasure you may find. Do not touch it. So Saul goes and carries out this Mission and then, you know, they're successful in the battle. They saw wins a gag is the king of amalekites at this time. And so Samuel comes after the battles over and says, oh, how did you do and Saul says, oh, we did excellently.

22:16 We fulfilled the words of the Lord completely And in the background there's like a and Samuel says, what is the sound of all these cattle? I hear why does, why does the Army have a bunch of cattle and Salsas? Oh well, we saved all those from those are spoils and Sammy's. Like you were told explicitly not to do that and Samuel says, oh well, but we're going to offer these as sacrifices to the Lord. So that will be that ought to be easing to him and ride. This is the famous line where Samuel tells him, you know, the Lord would rather have obedience then sacrifice, right? And and then Samuels like well or you know Saul's like well we also we also Save the King a live here to look. We got him right here, here's a gag and and Samuel is like what are you doing?

23:15 And so No doubt, no doubt when Saul started having success and then they kind of fell upon the spoils, they let a bunch of amalekites go go because they had to round up sheep and cows and stuff. Right? So they just so Saul fails and then Samuel tells him the kingdom. Is he actually tears his cloak or whatever? It says the kingdom is torn from you and then Of course, David is Anointed. Okay. Can I ask you a question and this may be off the subject a little bit, but I think it's worth exploring here. Oftentimes, you hear critics of the Bible, say things like it's just brutal.

24:03 There's, you know, this, I don't see God in the Bible when you start talking about killing everybody. Yeah, women children, what's your response to something like that? You know what? Actually. It is, it is a hard thing to kind of understand especially with our especially with our modern sensibilities. I think because I think in those you know those former ages. I think there's a lot more violent. The world was just a more violent. Probably it was. Yeah and we have we are very secure and there's not bands of marauders and you know robbers coming too.

24:49 You bands of robbers, coming to steal the kingship and stuff all the time. People who don't think it's strange. That people who carry a concealed weapon or something with them all the time. They think that's the if there's something wrong with these people, you know? So it's difficult new. I have had, I've talked to Mormons, you know who feel this way, like the god in the Old Testament is all Vengeance and destruction and the god in the New Testaments all lovey-dovey and stuff and and I'm like well. You in the Book of Mormon there's God just like destroy. It's like city after City back after the after I put you at Jesus, crucifixion is all this destruction. There's just all these Wicked cities that are sunk and burned and whirlwinds, and earthquakes, and they're like, oh yeah, I guess I didn't think about that.

25:46 So so what do I mean? What's my answer to that? Ultimately, I think it's the you have to realize how utterly depraved and wicked. The people who are destroyed our same with the worldwide, you know, the flood with Noah, you know, the Canaanites in particular, right? Which is what we're talking about here with the amalekites to. I mean, they were committing on the regular Every abominable violent depraved act that that could be done and and God said they're just up there, their wickedness is full and overflowing.

26:33 And so the land needs to be cleansed. And to be honest, I think, Yeah, I mean I think it I think ultimately it is a I mean, it's a blessing actually to everyone even even those who were wiped out in the flood, it was there's probably better for them in any looking at it with eternalize. Sure. Like just stop, stop sinning. Let's, let's have a reset here. Of course, in got, you know, in reality, no one, no, one dies in a final sense, those people are all still alive. Did I think the other thing is too? Is that I think with the Lord's trying to do here is prevent a blood Feud from continuing on for generations and generations. Oh absolutely, right.

27:22 Absolutely. Let's, let's let's finish this off and if people don't have to look that far back in history to see that, that's not unreasonable. I mean, we helped the mujahideen in Afghanistan and it still came back to bite Us in the ass, right? Yeah. So this idea that and you To look at time frame. It's a different time, right? I mean, you have child sacrifice everywhere wrecked. And by the way, these people were burning their children alive. Yep. And these are, these are the people that God says wipeout. So it's not like, they're just a bunch of exactly innocent righteous people. Exactly.

28:04 These are, these are, I mean, these are, these are people who just without provocation just came up behind Israel. And started murdering, you have the, the week among them. So. And that's, and that I believe. Because I believe, I mean, I believe what the scriptures say that the entire region of Canaan was yell of people who were just Cutthroat, bloodthirsty. Violent. Wicked? To the max. Yep. Yep. No, I agree. I agree. Totally. I and it's hard for us to comprehend. Maybe it has a Society, that Wicked, but just hang on, hang on, for a decade or something.

28:46 Yeah, exactly. It is hard to recognize that, right. But the because we have been the beneficiaries of a fairly robust Society for the better part of two hundred and fifty years now especially with in America. Yeah. And so to have that just pop out at you at the Bible I can see where that might might throw some folks but it takes a little bit of You know, before you throw the baby out with the bathwater, let's look at everything around there and it was a much more brutal time than what we're in now. Absolutely. So, so that's the, that's the downfall of Saul. He hangs on his king for a while until David is grown.

29:29 And, and Saul's eventually, Killed in battle, commit suicide, attempts to anyway, and but that was, but that was kind of the the breaking point as far as the Lord was concerned. Like that's it, the kingdom is going to another line. And, you know, Saul's Saul's children are not going to be Kings anymore. But in the story of Esther, we actually have Saul's descendants becoming royalty again, our exemption Iris, the Redemption of Saul and his line yet. Yep, so and it happened actually in. Well, we get to that, let me let's go talk about the the story, a little more, I guess, a little more depth.

30:13 So so the story starts out actually, this is another theme is another theme throughout. The book is drunkenness. There's a, I counted them before I came over here. There's, there's like, six huge drinking parties. Well, I don't like you drinking parties. There's six, drinking parties, of various sizes that are mentioned, and so, and I think that's part of it. Part of, that's part of the analogy with the God. God being hidden is also just that the people in the story are like, kind of unaware, you know, they're drunk and they're just kind of oblivious to the meaning and the significance of the things that are happening around them.

31:00 And that's, I think, part of the symbolic reason for including accounts of all these drinking parties. Yeah. There's some as a guy who used to drink a lot there. There's some pretty strong analogies are, right? Because you even when look, if you're drinking on a regular basis, even when your quote-unquote sober, you're not really so bad, right? You're still kind of out of it. You're still real slow, real slow trying to gather your senses. So yeah foggy. Yep. Little foggy in the brain. So Akash bearish. He becomes king and like to celebrate, he had he throws a six-month-long drinking party. For all the princes and Nobles, okay? And then when that's over, he throws, another drinking party for everyone in shushan, which is the capital city. All the people, Everyone rich and poor come for a whole week and just the wine is just poured out. People can drink as much as they want. No one's required to drink because physically says, like people doing this, do whatever they want, and just have a good time.

32:04 So, so more than half a year, there's this drinking party. That's how that's how How a cravero starts off his his, his coordination or whatever. And my younger days, I would have been like, six months Rockies. So, during this during this, you know, he's had while he's having his feast and drinking party, he calls, he calls for his wife. Queen vashti. Of course she is the queen now. Aquos Parish. He has, he has a harem as well, but but he has one Queen, whose vashti and she you know she's reputed to be extremely beautiful.

32:54 Maybe the most beautiful fairest of them all. I don't know, right. And so some of his princes and stuff these teas talking and bragging and he says, call for vashti, you know, tell her to come up here. So everyone and he's drunk, right? I tell her to come up here so we can all Look at her and see how beautiful she is. You know, I only laugh because this will tell you how flawed I was and still am to a large degree, right? I'm not drinking anymore, but I can understand the, you know, I just imagine how I say. Yeah, see my wife. She's so hot prayer up here. Honey. So let's go. She sends Messengers. Who now vashti? She's having her own party with the women.

33:37 Okay? Okay. And And she is the she's the granddaughter great-granddaughter of Nebuchadnezzar. Okay, so I'm she's from a royal family and she doesn't really she's not drunk. I don't think and but they come in request her to come and show off her beauty. And she's says, no, like I'm not I'm not going down there to hang out with a bunch of drunk. But two drunkards, get a bunch of drunk guys. Yeah. And So, the king is upset about this and one of his counselors who is Holman. He's, it's a different name though, it's a Memory can but the Jewish tradition says this is Holman. He comes up with this idea says get rid of vashti and find someone better.

34:31 Someone who will respect the king you know, and write a law throughout your kingdom that all the other wives have to respect their husbands. And he says, okay, A good idea. So vashti is probably why it was still drinking to. That's a great idea. Vashti is disposed of, it doesn't actually say there's dispute. Among the rabbi's, you know, whether she was exiled or executed, even possibly. I tend to think executed really. And, you know, and I because, because of Esther's hesitation later on, like, She had just seen what happens to even the queen if the king is displeased with her.

35:18 So anyway, we'll get to that later. So they send out, you know, Messengers throughout the throughout the kingdom to, to bring the, you know, the eligible maidens to come. And try out for The position of Queen. Yeah just so. And if and you know, if you don't get to be Queen, you get to be in the Royal Harem. Yeah. Which probably back then is not necessarily a bad thing. I mean, you've got your be financially taken care of at least. So Esters Esther is a chosen as one of the contestants and Mordecai tells her to keep her Jewish identity secret. So she goes, And, and is, you know, there's this very long process.

36:07 Takes actually a whole year of for them to purify themselves, and they get all the special baths, and perfumes, and everything for an entire year before they're ready to appear before the king. So, but she does, she wins the king's heart, over becomes the new Queen and then the story also says that Mordecai is Mordecai basically has some kind of low ranking position in the king's court, he's like a doorman or a gatekeeper or something like that. And so he goes to the Palace every day and he hangs out at the gate. He doesn't go inside but he kind of exchanges news and finds out how Esther's doing and this is where the next secret thing is, is that Mordecai there as the gatekeeper? He one time he's there and he over here, some people talking Around the corner or whatever to of the king's attendants, big sound and teresh there.

37:09 They are planning to assassinate the king and he overhears their plans. And then interesting thing, is he, well, this is, this is, this is a tricky situation here because you are lower. You're low man on the totem pole, right? And you find out that some of the Kings the king's attendants. So, Are higher up than you are planning on. Assassinating the king. How do you warn the king? Who do you tell? Because how do you know that the person that you tell isn't in on it, right? And actually, it's interesting because the scriptures actually have another case of this this was in Second Kings. There's the sennacherib who's the king of Assyria? He was actually assassinated by his sons. And it mentions that in mentions that in Second Kings, but they found ancient Assyrian clay tablets that have more of the story.

38:17 And there was there was one of the one of the Lower Court members who found out about it and actually told his supervisor or whatever. Hey, I know there's the king's sons are trying to kill him and the supervisor took him in and they blindfolded him. Because no one's allowed like commoners or lower people are not allowed to look directly upon the king. So even if you do get an audience with the King, you'll be blindfolded. Okay? So they bring him blindfolded before the king and so just tell us what, you know and he says your sons are planning to kill you and they take off his blindfold and he was just confessing to the the future assassins because the person that He entrusted was actually in on the plot on the conspiracy.

39:11 So and then, of course, then he was questioned. And then he and his household were executed him, and then the, the assassination was carried out, you know, when people say capitalism is a Cutthroat business, I'm like, you've never studied monarchies whose right? Yeah, yeah, huh. So so this is dangerous business, right? Mordecai finds out about this and And who can he tell? He said, I'll tell her because I have access to the queen and and I can trust that and then she can tell the king. So he does that. And then Esther, Esther tells warns the king and the to the two conspirators are caught and executed. And that seems to be the end of it. So it was it turned out well.

40:03 Now shortly after this, Holman who's one of the kind of Mobiles are Prince's in the Kingdom. He gets, he gets chosen to be kind of the head of the of the Nobles. He's kind of elevated. To be the Prime Minister li like the second engine, man. Okay? And it's interesting, the The scripture says that scripture says that the king commanded that everyone bow down to Haman. But and of course, and The Story Goes that Mordecai refuses. And, but it's interesting that Holman never doesn't do anything to Mordecai directly, which he would have authority to do, if that really were the law. So, the, Ocean is that probably that was not actually what the king commanded but Hallman was just Taking Liberties and telling everyone that the king expected them to go down and it bothered him that that when this that when he made this decree that had no legal legal legally binding force that people were disrespecting it.

41:20 So I mean you can you can you could make some you know he was You can make some inferences or some application to modern-day things here to, you know, when there's policies or decrees or executive orders that are made that are not actually laws, but people are punished or Outcast or whatever for not bending to these. A legal or or even illegal orders. That's the, that's the situation that Mordecai was in. Now, he says, he gives the reason that the reason why he doesn't bow to hominis because he says, it's because I'm a Jew now.

42:04 This is kind of interesting because in the scriptures that like Jews do bout to people, okay? But interesting is that it mentions, when it's mentions hominid, specifically mentioned As part of his genealogy as well, which is that he is The Descendant from a gag hahaha. So here we have Mordecai, who is a descendant of Saul and hummin whose descendant of a gag who and so So there's some some tension there action. Yeah? Right. Yeah. Okay. So he's really mad about this and every time he rides past Mordecai, who's the gatekeeper?

42:50 So, so Mordecai is seeing him frequently. It's not just someone out in the marketplace or whatever. Someone in the palace who is refusing to obey this order. And so he goes to the kitchen King and and says, there is a group of people and he keeps it secret doesn't say who the group of people is but but the king isn't really paying attention because they like, they're having they're actually drinking while they're doing this. Okay. So that he's like, there's this group of people who are in your kingdom and they do not obey the Kings laws. He doesn't say what laws or what the specifics are.

43:32 So they don't obey your laws and I Die. And it will be good if we could get rid of them. And Holman says, I will even pay out of my own pocket. The soldiers salaries, or at least part of the soldiers, salaries to take care of this problem, and the Kings like, yeah, sure. Whatever. Here take my ring, go ahead and write a law and suntan. You feel it with my Signet. and so Harmon does this, and here's where Perrine comes in because Hallman knows that the Jews are God's people. And that he protects them.

44:13 And so he wants to, he wants to do everything, right? And so he decides to basically cast lots, you roll the dice to pick the right month and the right day to carry out the execution of the Jews. And the Jewish story is go. This doesn't say to Nestor, but that the Traditions are that, he he rolled the dice and, you know, it fell on you. Day of Passover, whatever. He's like. No, no. God. Save them on that day and yeah, he rolled the dice. And there's yeah. Some other day that special to the Jews. He went through every month and there's just nothing was going to be quite right.

44:56 He knew that those were blessed days and he finally came to the 12th month and the 13th day of the 12th month and I'm not sure, but I think this is, this is probably part of the reason why 13 is considered unlucky number. See, this is the That was chosen by casting lots to, to destroy the Jews. And this is what the, the law that homine wrote, basically said on the 13th of Adar which is the 12th month. Then everyone in the kingdom is authorized and there was going to be soldiers officially as well. But everyone is authorized to kill their Jewish neighbors and take their stuff. All the all the wealth that the Jews might. Have can be yours.

45:41 You can kill them without consequence. In fact, you're commanded to. And so that was the plan and the plan goes out and they, you know, they send out Runners, they post up notices all over the Kingdom, right? And so there's sack cloth and Ashes of the Jews are sad about this and Esther finds out and wonders. Why Mordecai? So sad, he tells her And and also says to her, you got to go before the king and tell him not to do this or try to stop this and and she responds.

46:22 She's like I even though she's Queen. She's like, I have not been in. I've not been called for in the last month. I haven't even seen the king in a month and I can't just show up if I show up and he's displeased with me for any reason, then you're going to act. Yeah. And we just saw what happened to vashti like you know a couple of months ago or whatever it is you know. So but Mordecai tells her he's like he says if you don't if you don't step up, the Jews are going to be saved anyway. But but you will bring disgrace upon yourself and your family and and you and your descendants will be destroyed. Hmm, But the Jewish people, as a people, we are going to be saved anyway and and he also gives her the famous line, who knows that you made for all, you know, you were brought into the kingdom you know to this Earth for this very reason like this is your mission and so that Esther, and she tells everybody too fast. Everyone fast for three days.

47:38 Known as the king under. No, she's Jewish yet. No. This is all still a secret. Okay. So at the end of three days, she gets all dressed up and makes an unannounced, you know, uncalled for appearance in the courtroom in the Royal Court before the king and he's just happy to see her. And he puts out his scepter towards her, she touches the top and that's the signal that everything is good. And he asks her, what, what do you want my queen? Anything you anything, you ask for, half my kingdom. I'll give to you. And she says I just want you and homine to come to a drinking party that I have planned later this evening and he says, don't wonderful done.

48:29 Yeah, common let's go get stick ready, you know, and so they go to the drinking party and Holman is so excited about this because it's just the king and he are like the only ones invited by the queen to this party and he's like, this is awesome. The king, just elevated me. And now the queen is elevating me and, and I'm about and I have plans to get rid of all the Jews, which will get rid of my enemy Mordecai. And this will be, this will be so awesome. And so the king Akash Rivero, she asked Esther, he's like, he's like, tell me what you want. Like, you don't want me to just come to the party is.

49:09 Surely, you must have something else that you want and she says, yeah, I want you to come to another party tomorrow. bro, and then I'll tell you and he's like, okay, this is great and and Holman is so Overjoyed, that he gets invited to a party, another drinking party the next day with the queen and the King, this is great and as he's leaving the party, That evening he passes by Mordecai who does not bow to him and he was on this high. This emotional high and he says, all of all of the Honors that have been given me by the king and the Queen and my position, they all mean nothing to me as long as Mordecai is alive. Like I I just, I would Rather have him dead than all the success in the world.

50:08 That's what. Okay, so this is a, this is the spirit of a gag, right? And I got to admit, I feel the same way about the Chicago Bears so I mean again it on some level He goes to his wife has a rash and she says just go like you are you're being exalted right now. Like the king supports you and honors. You the queen supports an honors. You just go ask the king for permission to kill Mordecai and he says, why didn't I think of it as a great idea? It's a great idea. So he said so that that night, he has a Gallows built in his Courtyard of his house and his backyard. He has probably front yard.

50:59 He has a Gallows. Built 50 cubits High says he's going up front and center up to have some personal. He's like I am and he's going to go tell the king. Hey, I built the Gallows already. I want to kill this guy. Will you give me permission permission? And so meanwhile the king that night can't sleep, and he's tossing and turning. And finally, you know, he brings his servant in and says Read to me from The Chronicles of the kings of Persia. And so, And all of these things are by chance, right by chance this this night, the king can't sleep by chance. He decides rather than counting sheep.

51:40 I'm going to have someone read to me from The Chronicle should be boring enough that I can go to sleep by Chance. The book opens up to the place? Where it mentions? How Mordechai saved his life from the assassination attempt and the King says, keep reading. What what did we do to honor Mordecai? And servant says nothing. We didn't do anything. And the king is just like we didn't do anything for the guy who saved my life. How can that be? And right at this kind of moment of Amazement, Holman comes, like knocking at the door like he can't even wait till morning and the kids like who's out there and it was Holman. And so he says that hominin and he says to Amin Amin just just And I wanted to see, tell me, what should the king do to honor, you know, the man that he is pleased with and Holman in his mind is like who could the king be talking about, except me?

52:47 Yeah. And and so Holman tells the king. Oh, okay, this is what you should do. You should take that man and put your Royal robe on him and put your crown on him and put him on the king's horse and have one of your most noble. Prince has like lead the horse through the streets of shushan, the capital city proclaiming behold, everyone. This is what this is, what the king does to the man that he desires to honor. And the King says, hummin, I want you to take the cloak and take the crown and do all those things that you just said. To Mordecai and it's like oh I like his bubble. Just is world just shattered.

53:37 Oh yeah. And he goes home in just in defeat and the next morning he gets up and does what the king commanded and he puts the robe on Mordecai and the crown on Mordecai and put some on the king's horse and walks out in front. Proclaiming to everyone. This is Is the man that the king wants to honor, and this is how the king honors the man that he wants to honor. Now, it's interesting. The, the, the rabbi's say, and I like this, they say, although, although God is never mentioned, Explicitly that if every time every time Esther uses the word King, if you think of the Lord God, right?

54:29 Then then here's this is the disguise that that God is okay, is using. So, so here is AA missing. This is the man that this is actually, the man that God wants to honor, so I gotta tell you I'm in, I'm thoroughly enjoying the story more than any others because when it feels a little More. Even though there's some serious entry get play, it's a, it feels a little more lighter, right? The other thing is, there is it is, it is, it is humorous. Yeah, yeah, they're so fairly dark. And yeah, yeah, yeah. There's like I'm thinking of all these characters, right? You got Mordecai. Who's just a good guy? Just trying to do what he's supposed to do. And then you have Esther, who is kind of the reluctant hero a little bit.

55:14 Like I don't want to go do this and then you got the key. King and to me, he he seems like a drunk frat boy. More than anything else, right? Yeah. And it's just like every human. Foible wrapped up into one story and it's you're right. It's almost comical. I mean it's it is. It's almost Monty Python's, the finest, the finest story in the scriptures. Yeah, it really is. Yeah, I could totally see guys for that, you know, played in like the Holy Grail Monty Python being and doing something like this, but So he's totally deflated and but he after he's done walking Mordecai through the streets then he goes and gets ready for the second drinking party with the queen and the king.

56:05 And so they have their party and I'm sure there's just no joy in it for Holman whatsoever and while he's sulking, the king says to Esther. All right. Tell me give me. Request. And she says, I request my life and the life of my people and he's like, what, what do you what are you talking about? Like no one's, No One's Gonna touch you. And and she says, then she reveals. She says, I'm a Jew and and there's a plot to destroy my people and things like, who Amon and Hollins are what? I didn't know, you were so Furious that he stands up.

56:47 Leaves the room, just to regain his composure. And while the Kings out, of course, they're they're royalty Persian. So they have the table there and everyone's like, on the like a couch, or a bed, right? And everyone's reclining at the table drinking and eating grapes, and whatever they do. And Holman just like runs over to the Queen's couch or the Queen's bed and it's just like pawing at her pleading, for his life, you know, and The at that moment, the king happens to come back in and there's Holman like on the bed with the queen and he's like, oh you're going to, are you going to force the queen right?

57:28 Like right here in my house, you know? In my presence and he's like guards can get Holman and then one of the guards is like, hey King, look out the window over there. Do you see that Gallows in hallman's yard? That was, that was what he was. He was planning on asking you permission to kill. Mordecai on that. Gal. And, and the Kings like Mordecai. Like the man. I just honored and and homens just speechless. And he says, take home and hang him on that, and then he brings in Mordecai and And and puts and puts the robe and the crown on him and basically says you will be my second-in-command. And and so this is another theme of the book of Esther is this reversal of, I mean, they change places. Hallman was hung on the Gallows that he had made for Mordecai, and Mordecai is elevated, and become and actually takes hummons place as the king's advisor. Prime minister, whatever.

58:41 And and he takes the ring, you know, as they're taking homina way to hang him. He takes the ring off his finger, the Signet and put on you later on. He gives that to Mordecai's not there but the next day, you know, it gives that to Mordecai. And and and so the Kings like, okay, well you know, I wasn't, I wasn't paying attention. When Holman told me about this plan, I didn't, I didn't know it was going on. What do you want me to do? And, and Esther and Mordecai or like you need to, you need to save our people and write a law and reverse it. And he says, I can't do that, you know? Because once once a law has been written then we can, it cannot be undone but I'll give you Give you my ring, and you can write a new law, whatever, whatever you can think of to help your people. And so, what they decide doing to do is a new law that says that with with royal approval, the Jews May defend themselves. Hmm.

59:43 Like the, it is perfectly legal for the Jews to defend themselves. And and that the like the royal favour or whatever you want to say, is with the Jews now. And so and then and then to show that this is the case, like Mordecai does go through the streets again, with the Kings robe, and the crown, and he's second in command, and there's a lot. This, the in Esther says that a bunch of the People who were enemies. The other thing is they start to have second thoughts about carrying out these plans because the tide has changed here and a bunch of people who maybe were kind of just ambivalent actually join with the Jews and, and convert to, because now Judaism is favored. Yeah.

1:00:41 So the 13th, the 13th of Adar comes and there's a big battle in the palace City. Shushan and also in the larger Empire and basically the Jews are victorious on the 13th. And and so on the 14th, people outside the, the capital city, they have a big party to celebrate their Deliverance inside the city. They they fight for an additional day. So a fight on the 13th and they fight on the 14th and then on the 15th when they're in the city they have a they have a party and so those two days, the 14th and the 15th, those are the days of Perrine, okay?

1:01:31 That they celebrate, that's where the party asked but that's where the party comes from now. I'm going to read well. So I'm going to mention a couple more Of course, there's this this theme of chance and coincidence and, you know, with the Perrine, which the lots. And the scriptures have a bunch of times when lots are cast to. It's actually interesting, though, we can Proverbs chapter 16 verse 33. It says the law is cast in the lap. But the outcome is the Lord's, basically, it's got some paraphrase but it's like, lots are used to make decisions and you like have some control over the dye, or the straws or whatever it is, you're doing, but the outcome, the Lord will use so. So there's a bunch of times in the scriptures when lot sir are used, you know Nephi and his brothers, they cast lots to decide who's going right.

1:02:37 Try to get the plates. and even though the first thing, you know, Layman fails Label. Well, I'm Layman. Yep. Layman fails, even though the lot was cast for him. Like I think that's actually shows God's hand and then they all go together, right? And they all fail together. And so, this is like the oldest doesn't have a right to the plates. And as a group, they don't have a right to the plates. They are Nephi's. Of course, they cast lots to decide like the apostles decide who to replace Judas with right and they decide Mathias. Lots of other times including the landline associate divided by casting lots and we still call land. Lots lots right.

1:03:25 Yeah so that comes from that idea of like Joshua Joshua was supposed to cast lots to decide where the tribes get their inheritance is. So anyway so that's that's one of the themes. Another one as I mentioned is this turning things upside down and the scriptures are kind of full of this tube? This story just illustrates it so P perfectly you know about the weak things being made strong, strong things being made weak, you valleys, being exalted mountains made low first last and the last first and so this happens. Now the Redemption Redemption of Saul. I'm going to mention that a little more too, because it's interesting that when the Jews defend themselves it on both those days, they fight on the Chief of a fight on the 14th and says specifically that the Jews did not touch any of the spoils. Well, harking back to Saul.

1:04:26 That's right. And what was happening there. Yep. So this is the Redemption of saw like it was but it was the other way around the law that Hamid had written said, you can go kill your neighbors and take their goods but when the Jews defended themselves they didn't they just left everything for Whatever, whoever supposed to inherit, right? The dead people's property. So, but this is like, you know? Yeah. Again Redemption of Saul bye-bye, his descendant Mordecai, who wasn't the king, but but symbolically, he was the King, right? Yeah. It's, he was wearing it around. Wearing the crown wearing the robes on the king's horse parading around.

1:05:10 Here is the king essentially. Doing succeeding at the task, specifically against a gag because remember Holman is the descendant of a gag, right? Succeeding against a gag, where his ancestor Saul had failed. And then the other another really interesting thing Really interesting thing about Perrine is that it has some interesting ties to Yom Kippur. So, Yom Kippur we talked about. It is the highest holiest day, right in the calendar, right? This is the day of atonement.

1:05:55 That's what yom-yom is day. Kippur is atonement or covering. In, if you go to Leviticus 20 or 23, like I mentioned before that, it has all the feasts. And when it talks about Yom Kippur there though, it actually the word is Yom Kippur and it's that word is in other places but in Leviticus 23 it actually says yeom hockey Perrine. So And yeah, it's if if you read the word, if you read the word, one way you ohm is day.

1:06:36 And then hockey, Perrine means The day of coverings it's actually plural or atonements. Okay the day of atonement. But you can actually you can actually break the phrase up in Hebrew a little different way and you can say you own hockey purine which means a day like Perrine. So how is Yom Kippur? Like Perrine? There's actually some very interesting parallels of course there's there's these also big drastic differences to so on Yom Kippur the other days, Passover, and Tabernacles and the Feast of trumpets are Rosh. Hashanah, those are all those are days that are kind of mixtures of spiritual, spiritual, their spiritual things.

1:07:36 And but there's also physical things too, because it's a party, right? You have a feast in your friends over, but there's also prayers and recitations, and meditation and all those things. Yom Kippur is is kind of one extreme end of that though because there's nothing physical. I'm not going to do your just there's no party there's no Feast. You're just pulling for the priest to get his job done. That's exactly right. You just pray and hope and like it's all spiritual. And then on the other end of the spectrum, we have premium which is actually all physical. Like, it's just a party people wear costumes. People act crazy, they sing songs and dance people.

1:08:16 Go out and visit their neighbors. They They take food to everyone. They drink a lot actually, and it's quite the opposite. So there's these like Polar Opposites there and yet, there's this there, the rabbi's, see these two days as like opposite sides of the same coin, okay? Okay. Men. And as a balance to each other, I was going to say there's kind of a yin and yang. Yeah that's exactly right. and that salvation comes through both things because there is this, there is this need that we have for atonement and Forgiveness, and for humility and reverence.

1:09:05 But there's also, there's also a need for partying and having a good time and rejoicing and all that. And premium just feels that. Feels that beautiful. Yeah, and that salvation is includes both those things, you know. Now, another interesting thing is on the day of Yom Kippur the high priest. Well, every well, first of all, everyone's fast Eating right? And the fasting for the success of the high priest because he's going to go in to the throne room, he's going to go into all where the holy of holies is with the Ark of the Covenant is which is the God's throne and appear before the king and asked for the Salvation of his people. Oh yeah yeah.

1:09:52 Do you see what else? Yeah, so Esther Esther, go tester fast. And she goes in fasting and appears before the king and doesn't know whether she'll livered. I mean, this is a This is a threat that hangs over ancient Israel to like, if the high priest goes in there and he's unworthy in some way, like God might just strike him down right which, and it's kind of unknown, you don't know, right? And so, Esther doesn't know, like the high priest, doesn't know, but she goes in fasting and is accepted and the people are redeemed, right? As a result. So, The other thing is interesting, is all the other festivals and holy days.

1:10:37 None of them involve casting lots except Perrine and Yom Kippur because they actually cast lots on the Two Goats. Yeah, that is part of Yom Kippur is casting lots. Okay. For, for the, for the Salvation. Now, in in, in the story of Esther, the lots are cast for their destruction and then on Yom Kippur the Lots. Cast for their salvation. But but those are the only times when lots are cast at Canadian connection with a holiday. So there's this beautiful kind of connection there too. And the other The other interesting and kind of beautiful thing I'm going to this is this kind of last theme and then I want to tell tell about some kind of modern fulfillments I guess if. Okay three.

1:11:27 But another thing that's interesting about Peru mean this kind of goes back to the the God is hidden kind of thing. You know, when the children of Israel we're at Mount Sinai, it was fearful there, the mountain was on fire. It was Smoke. There was the sound of the shofar. There's thunder and lightning. And God says, here's my Commandments, will you keep them? But it's the answer that they gave was, of course? Yes. But you could argue that it was a little coerced, sure. Because it's like, will you keep my Commandments?

1:12:07 If you say yes, you'll be my people. If you say no, this is your grave, right? I will just destroy you right here, right? The oh, yes, we will. Say yes, I think we'll say yes and Moses. Please go up and talk to him because we don't want to. Well, even if I'm right, this is too much, right? So symbolically that, this is where this is where God Mary's becomes the husband of right is, right? This is the, their contract, their ketubah, but on Perrine, We have a choice made by the Jews to be God's people and to own their Heritage own, their jewishness without any coercion. In fact, God's not around, right? God doesn't seem to be coming to save them. There's no profit, there's no Moses. And the people probably could just keep their identities hidden.

1:13:14 And avoid trouble, your keep their nose down. Don't don't draw any attention to yourself, but even when God is not there and at the Perrine, they say, we are going to be there for God, even though he's doesn't seem to be here for us, right? We're going to be faithful anyway, so there's no coercion. So so sometimes those You know, some commentators will say something like this is like sinai's where the marriage happened, but premium is like, where the romance being like, okay like where the Jews showed their love without any coercion, right? And just such actually I do Choose You Even when it is awesome, when nothing is going, there's not necessarily going to be any reward or punishment but I just I just fully embrace my my Israelite Heritage and that At and I'm going to stand up for for that regardless. Yeah, that is really cool.

1:14:16 Yeah. Okay. So those are all the you know many of the the beautiful themes now modern modern application to this K actually this goes to the Nazis. There's some real interesting things about preme and the Nazis. Really because of course, the Nazis have the same plan as home and did. We're going we want to exterminate the Jewish race. Yeah, that was homens plan that was Hitler's plan. Actually Hitler one time said it is true. We are barbarians.

1:15:00 It is an honorable title to us. I am freeing Humanity from a false Vision called conscience and morality the Jews have inflicted to Wounds on mankind, circumcision on its body and conscience on its Soul, the war for world. Domination will be fought entirely between us, the Germans and the Jews. All else is facade whoo-hoo, right? And this is, I mean, this just is, this is the godlessness of socialism? Yep. Communism. Right. And it bothers me, sometimes, when people say the Nazis were right wing, like they're, they're socialists. No, I You know what?

1:15:40 I just had a conversation with a woman that podcast will come out next weekend. Where we talked about this, I think it's because of we measure things differently here in America than in Europe, right in America. We reset things back a little bit at the Constitutional Convention from complete Anarchy to just this side of orderly. And so, when we look at, Right or left. It's a lot different than what Europe does, right? Europe is used to subjugation. They've been that way for centuries. So when you start talking about right and left in Europe, its communism is on the left and fascism is on the right? So I don't think that those were Gales mean the same thing, right?

1:16:28 Yeah. I think I've never heard that explanation. I like that though. Like when you're just used to write subjugation? Yeah. And monarchy, or whatever fascism would be on the right of that. Because you can still own a business. You just have to work with the government. Quick quid pro quo, kind of stuff, right? Communism, you know, federalizing the stuff. So as I look at it, I think it's a matter of scales but yeah, point of view. Where is your e, right? Where's your reference? You can measure from. Yeah, I like that. Okay, well so not only did Hitler want to exterminate the Jews but also they wanted to plunder his tomb. And they did.

1:17:11 There was many Nazi officials that became wealthy from taking, you know, plunge spoils yep. So so that just goes right along with hallman's plan to. Now, it's interesting. And the, the Nazis were aware of this kind of Perrine connection. So set. See, I got a little article here, I'm going to read some things here. This is from an article in the Torah Torah Decor.com.

1:17:52 So websites got just nice Jewish articles anyway. It says, the Nazis were well aware of the Jewish holidays and used Jewish festivals for particular savagery these days had become known to the Jews. As Goebbels Goebbels calendar and many atrocities were committed specifically on Perrine. So, in premium premium of 1942 1000, I didn't I didn't mention this. I'm gonna before I read that. I actually need to mention one more thing in the Book of Esther. So, Holman had Holman had ten Sons.

1:18:34 Okay. And they 10. Yes. And they lived they lived in shushan, which is the capital city, and of course they were. They were involved in the conspiracy. Sure, father? Right. So, so, So in this is Esther, 9:12 on the, after the first day of battle on the 13th, then, you know, Esther comes to the king and the King says, tell me the news, let's talk about it. And you know, King says the Jews have slain and destroyed. Five hundred men in shushan, the palace and the ten sons of Haman. What have they done in the rest of the king's provinces? And now what is that a petition?

1:19:22 And it shall be granted unto thee. Or what is that a request? Other and it shall be done. So he's like, all right, you've had this success here. Tell me about what's going on out there. So they kind of exchange some news. And he says, what else do you want to have done? And then said, Esther is a verse 13. If it, please the king let it be granted to the Jews which are in shushan to do tomorrow. Also, according unto this day is to create and let homines ten Sons be hanged upon the Gallows. Now, this is interesting because in the verse before he said Almonds. Sons are destroyed, right? But here she said, how about tomorrow meaning perfect?

1:20:03 Well, literally meaning the the 14th, right? But this could be understand understood kind of prophetically, as in the future in the future. Let us let us do let us take hallman's ten sons and hang them on the Gallows. She gives a list of gives a list of the ten Sons there earlier. So, okay, so that's just an important point that I want to bring out. So so in preme of 1942, there was 10 Jews that were publicly publicly hung, by the Nazis quote, in Revenge for Holman.

1:20:49 Ha ha ha. Okay, and then, in the next year, Kareem of 1943, the Nazis fooled, some of the Jews in the PO trick. How ghetto by asking for ten Jewish volunteers as part of an alleged Exchange program for Germans living in Palestine but when the 10 volunteers came forward, they were just shot. And again, this was they chose 10 because this was revenge for Holman and they did it, they did on Purim. 20, you know to avenge, homines 10 cents.

1:21:30 There was one particular guy and I'm not a holocaust. Scholar by any means. But anyway, so if these names sound familiar, you can tell me about them. But Julius streicher are strike. Strike cha strike here, I don't know how to say it anyway on. On the day after kristallnacht, he wrote this article about about the secret plans of the Jews related to the Jewish holiday of Purim and how if the Germans did not wipe out the Jews then the Jews are going to be celebrating another Perrine. Wow.

1:22:19 And so that was sold as a striker. Hitler. Also I read that there you know In a radio broadcast. In 1944, he stated the Nazis were defeated. The Jews. Could celebrate the destruction of Europe in a second. Triumphant Perrine Festival. So, interesting thing though, here is that after, you know, after the war was done Germany's defeated the Nuremberg trials, start, right? And, and this is in there in 1946, if I remember, right? And Actually. Let's see.

1:23:03 This is actually 11. Interesting, there's a let's see. There's 24 defend 24 defendants. Try to the Nuremberg trials started in 1945. Two of two of the 24 were acquitted. A tour given prison sentences and 12 were condemned to death of those one of them. Martin bormann was tried In Absentia so I don't think he was like they hadn't captured. Hit him or maybe he'd already died but they should try to me anyway. Yeah. So that left eleven. And one of them. Hermann Goering. He committed suicide before I knew Goering. Yeah.

1:23:46 Yeah. So now interesting this is not mentioned in the Book of Esther but in the in the Jewish Traditions about this, they say that on the day that Hallman was parading Mordecai through the town that Hallman's daughter saw. Mordecai being paraded and like from an upper story window she like empty to bed pan on on the man who was leading me around because you know she just wanted to disrespect whoever was respecting, all right? And then he looks up and she realizes that she just dumped the chamber pot on her dad and realize that her dad is being humiliated by his enemy and she commits suicide.

1:24:32 Wow. So so here's a. So here's a Goering Goring Goring Goring, so he's kind of he's kind of, is represented by his daughter, the daughter. Yeah, which is interesting because Goering is known to have been a crossdresser, mmm, right. So he's he's dressing in women's clothes, putting on makeup, it's got his nails painted, fingernails and toenails painted. Addressing an effeminate clothes changing. His outfit all the time. Yep. And so, so homens daughter, commit suicide before before everything goes down in the ten sons are hanging.

1:25:18 Wow. I'm Goring likewise represents that. So now the the other 10 they're convicted and sentenced and they all asked to be shot because there They're military men. They want to be Tried by firing squad but the court says no we're not going to honor you Lonnie with that way, we're going to hang you 10 and and actually the sentence is is given in June of 45 and then there's all these appeals and stuff that goes until October 16th of 1946. Which is interesting because that is the that is the last day of Tabernacles, right?

1:26:11 And so So another interesting thing is in the Book of Esther you can't see anything like it in the English but in the Hebrew in the list of hummons ten Sons there's three letters that are written very small for no apparent reason. And the letters are table shin and Zion. And in in Hebrew the letters are also numbers, right? Kind of like Roman numerals aren't so.

1:26:51 But those Those letters actually add up to that was, that is how. If you're writing out numbers, you would write 5707 which is the, the Jewish year that these 10 Nuremberg. Criminals were hung. Holy cow. Yeah, that's not so crazy. It is crazy, isn't it now and and Joseph close it. Julius Julius streicher actually. When when he got up to the to the platform to be hung, see if I can find it.

1:27:40 Yeah. At the at the bottom of the steps, he like just like suddenly blurted out pile, Hitler and like shocked everyone and then he gets up there and says now I now I go to God. God and there. They put the bag over him and and then suddenly, he screams out again, Perrine 1946. And so he, he knew he recognized this obvious connection that would like, was being played out. And then, of course, those ten sons of Holman were all hung in 1946.

1:28:20 In the year 5707. There are so many Things about this story that jumps out to me write that are so applicable to our day. One is this idea of conspiracy, right? Everything's in the shadows, everything is happening behind the scenes. Yeah. Right. I think we live in a time where that's look, we'll just, we'll just go ahead and use what's his name? The guy who had the island. That's seen, right? He just magically winds up. Dead. Hangs himself with a paper sheet, right?

1:29:02 Likewise we got all sorts of intrigue going on right now. Balloons flying overhead. Right? All this stuff happening? At some point. God's promises are going to bring all this to light. That's right. Yeah. We're gonna bring all the hidden things. All the stuff is going to come to shout it from the rooftops and so I thought Microcosm of that exact story of Esther. Microcosm of what I think we're going through now. And there's definitely parallels back in the Book of Mormon, to the Gaddy and robbers. Absolutely, and that kind of intrigued, but it all is going to come out. the other thing that jumps out to me is that the Jewish people have suffered from ancient hatred, right? The hatred that seems to come around about once every 75 to 100 years for the Jews is just astounding, right? And it lasts it never fully goes away and I've always said, if you want to know where the world's at, look at how the Jewish people are being treated because I think it's Good. Barometer of where the world is as far as instability. Yeah.

1:30:19 And it lasts case in point. I ran do you know what Iran means in Farsi? I don't. Oh, you're gonna love this, so and everyone, you can fact check me on this. I've double triple quadruple checked it but just look it up. So during WWII or right before World War Two, Iran was called Persia Right? Okay, the Third Reich officials from the Nazi party, make a journey out to Persia to try to solidify places for transport because they're fighting a war in Africa and Saudi Arabia and they want to have access. So they're going to go through Persia, they have a grand meeting, I mean there are slapping backs And he's like, you know what?

1:31:18 You guys should change your name to Aryan? Double-check it get your phone right now while we're on the air and translate Iran. What does Iran mean in Farsi? And it's Aryan. Wow, it is craziness. And every time this happens, It lasts forever. It doesn't go away fully Here it is right here. What does Iran me? The land of arienzo. That's the Wikipedia article. That's amazing and of Aryans. Yeah, amazing. Yeah, I knew that.

1:31:59 Yeah. That they were that the Ottomans, I guess sent ya. Any of soldiers. Yes. Support the Nazi efforts. Yeah, and so I only bring that up because You have to understand that the adversaries never done and God made a promise to the Jewish people and he keeps his promises. That's where the Savior came down through and the adversary still bears. That. And so, if there's another thing we can take away from this story, is that be be on the lookout, right? When when you start seeing these things come to pass and you started. Seeing more and more anti-Semitism you can bet Global unrest is at the door every time. Yeah, yeah.

1:32:52 That's yeah. Israel is the Is the center piece right there, linchpin for the end days. Like it's the flashpoint right? It is absolutely where it all goes down. So to speak. So but awesome, good stuff. Yeah, so so we are having So we are hat. So this year premium is going to be on the 7th and 8th, okay? Of March and which is in the middle of the week. So we're actually having a party on the 11th. So a couple days later but that will be Saturday 4 p.m. you can desire him.

1:33:36 Le Foundation, Facebook page, should have information about it but it's a it's a costume party because of all the disguises and secret things and also it'll be a potluck and the potluck theme is foods that have hidden middles okay. So you know You know that peanut M&M's or Eggrolls you know or chimichanga something that's cover up you can't see chunks on the inside, jelly donuts. Exactly. Yep. So you got the idea, pizza rolls pot stickers. Yeah, all that kind of stuff.

1:34:21 Fudge dipped Oreos, you know. So what kind of costumes are people dressing up? Oh various. Oh, Come Various, I think I mean, it's it's this is always is out, there's always quite a. Let me see. So last year, I'll tell you what my family did. So if I can remember all of them, I probably won't be able to remember all of them, but my son was a dress up as a grenade. He's a hand, grenade. Nice. I was actually, this wasn't, that was actually two years ago. Anyway, it last He was a Jedi, okay.

1:35:01 I like to do kind of funny things sometimes. So the other two, this two years ago I wore like a I cut out some like a fig Leaf out of paper and made a little apron and then I put put on my chest, some red and blue balloons to of each with like electric charges written on them. So it's like a helium. Nice helium nucleus. So but I had the the Fig leaves. So as a helium. Atom. Nice. Yeah, nice. How to make dumb stuff like that but I was thinking about just putting on my suit and falling down and just pretend I'm Joe Biden. So my my I think it was my is either my can't remember.

1:35:45 Now my mother-in-law father-in-law came a few years ago and they had a, they had a like a cereal box on their back. But it was like I'll paint it all black and so they were they said they were a refrigerator magnet, nice. It looks like click them on there anyway. So a lot of we're just fun, you know? We People normally kind of avoid the Halloween type Yen Gore and and yeah, goblins and vampires and stuff. Traditionally. A lot of you in Jewish circles they like, encourage people to dress up as a good characters.

1:36:31 Yeah. As like profits or Esther or Mordecai people from the story, things like that. So so anyway, it's fun time. You usually will will dress up will also play dice games. Cass locks. Yes, exactly. So play bug and you know, Yahtzee and 10,000 or Farkle or whatever if you played any of those games. And and we'll also have like a melodramatic reading of the story of Esther. So we won't read re cabinet in a abbreviated version, so the kids can follow along, we read the story and, and We time Amon is mentioned, then everyone booze and stamps their feet and went after Mordecai are mentioned that everyone.

1:37:18 Cheers and blows their noise makers or whatever. Nice. And so that's fun and and eat our eat our foods with hidden centers. I like it. So it's fun time, awesome. Alright and when is that going to be again? It's going to be March 11th. That's Saturday. Okay. And 4 p.m. is when we're going to kind of gather usually. And play play games while food is preparing and then perfect. Well, I'll go ahead and mention that to a bunch until then and we'll okay. Travis good sport, dude. It's always fun when you come over. Yeah. So pleasure. I love having you here. So, all right. Next one is, next one's going to be Passover, Passover and unleavened bread.

1:38:01 Awesome. I can't wait for that one. That one's going to be epic. I want to be big one. All right, everyone. Bye. You're listening to the Mormon Renegade podcast.