Episode #98: The Origins & Destiny Of The Earth & Its People W/Ken Peterson

1
00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,760
OK, before you start this
episode, I'm going to ask you,

2
00:00:02,760 --> 00:00:04,520
the listener, to do a couple of
things.

3
00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,320
First, if you're not yet a
subscriber to the Mormon

4
00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,760
Renegade Patreon channel, go
there now and sign up for either

5
00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,920
the six or $12.00 tier, because
there's some photos that go

6
00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,239
along with this podcast that
you're definitely going to want

7
00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,200
to see.
Second, go and take the

8
00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,800
batteries out of your smoke
detectors because we're going to

9
00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,160
cover some gospel topics that
are going to blow your mind.

10
00:00:24,490 --> 00:00:27,810
I have Kim Peterson back on the
podcast and we discuss the

11
00:00:27,810 --> 00:00:30,170
origins and destiny of the earth
and its people.

12
00:00:30,490 --> 00:00:34,010
This is an expansive,
comprehensive, I mean

13
00:00:34,090 --> 00:00:37,050
all-encompassing discussion that
was absolutely amazing.

14
00:00:37,330 --> 00:00:40,330
We start looking at some of the
hidden gems from the scriptures

15
00:00:40,530 --> 00:00:42,530
and quotes of early Mormon
leaders.

16
00:00:42,770 --> 00:00:45,570
We discuss everything from the
age of the Earth, the Earth's

17
00:00:45,570 --> 00:00:49,610
place in the universe, pre and
post fall, the earth's ultimate

18
00:00:49,610 --> 00:00:52,970
relocation after the Millennium
pre, Adamite and Mormon

19
00:00:52,970 --> 00:00:55,790
cosmology.
We then finish our conversation

20
00:00:56,030 --> 00:00:59,150
by talking about what this
really means to us as Mormons.

21
00:00:59,430 --> 00:01:02,630
So prepare to have your minds
blown and expanded on this

22
00:01:02,630 --> 00:01:05,150
episode of the Mormon Renegade
Podcast.

23
00:01:06,190 --> 00:01:08,990
Look, it's no secret that our
society has become much more

24
00:01:08,990 --> 00:01:12,190
crude and coarse.
To become and raise men and

25
00:01:12,190 --> 00:01:14,870
women of virtue and character is
a Herculean task.

26
00:01:15,390 --> 00:01:18,310
To help with this, I've recently
wrote and published a book.

27
00:01:18,750 --> 00:01:22,090
Now, back in the 1700s,
Washington had a book called

28
00:01:22,090 --> 00:01:24,610
Rules of Civility and Decent
Behavior and Company and

29
00:01:24,610 --> 00:01:27,690
Conversation.
It was a book with 110 rules

30
00:01:27,970 --> 00:01:31,650
that talked about how to conduct
yourself like a civilized person

31
00:01:31,650 --> 00:01:34,970
in society, something that
today's society is sorely

32
00:01:34,970 --> 00:01:37,170
lacking.
What I did is I went back

33
00:01:37,170 --> 00:01:40,050
through the book and I
reinterpreted his original

34
00:01:40,050 --> 00:01:44,210
sayings for the 21st century.
So the book is laid out in a way

35
00:01:44,210 --> 00:01:46,450
in which you see Washington's
original rule.

36
00:01:46,650 --> 00:01:49,410
Right below that is my
explanation for the 21st

37
00:01:49,410 --> 00:01:52,660
century, and below that you'll
find two or three examples of

38
00:01:52,660 --> 00:01:54,380
where to use this in the real
world.

39
00:01:54,820 --> 00:01:57,620
Now, to go along with this,
there's a workbook that helps

40
00:01:57,620 --> 00:02:00,540
parents teach these principles
and practices to their kids.

41
00:02:01,060 --> 00:02:04,460
To find the book, go to
mormonrenegade.com, go to the

42
00:02:04,460 --> 00:02:07,780
bottom of the page, search out
the blog post, and order your

43
00:02:07,780 --> 00:02:09,900
copy.
Today I can bear personal

44
00:02:09,900 --> 00:02:12,940
testimony from personal
experience that this is an

45
00:02:12,940 --> 00:02:16,580
invaluable tool to help you
raise men and women of virtue

46
00:02:16,580 --> 00:02:49,020
and character.
You're listening to the Mormon

47
00:02:49,100 --> 00:02:57,380
Renegade podcast.
Well, Ken, how's it going?

48
00:02:57,380 --> 00:03:01,270
It's going really well, dude.
When we talked about this, if I

49
00:03:01,270 --> 00:03:04,230
guess a week, maybe two weeks
ago, I don't know, my days run

50
00:03:04,230 --> 00:03:06,630
together.
Now when we talked about this, I

51
00:03:06,630 --> 00:03:10,750
was super stoked for this one.
So for the for those of you at

52
00:03:10,750 --> 00:03:14,310
home, what I want you to do is I
want you to have like some duct

53
00:03:14,310 --> 00:03:17,790
tape or something like that real
handy, 'cause we're going to go

54
00:03:17,790 --> 00:03:21,270
over some mind blowing kind of
stuff tonight and you're going

55
00:03:21,270 --> 00:03:23,830
to want to be able to piece that
head back together when it kind

56
00:03:23,830 --> 00:03:26,150
of explodes.
Yeah, and some tinfoil hats,

57
00:03:26,190 --> 00:03:29,110
right?
And so maybe some tinfoil hats.

58
00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:31,720
Right it this this is good
stuff.

59
00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,280
I've been looking to looking
forward to this one for for a

60
00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,880
week now.
So, Ken, what are we talking

61
00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:41,360
about, brother?
Well, you you cracked me up, and

62
00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,480
it's probably why we're friends.
You know, I gave you this list

63
00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,640
of potential topics that we
could discuss, and you

64
00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:54,360
immediately went for the
metaphorically and literally the

65
00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,690
most far out.
Topic there is, the most

66
00:03:57,690 --> 00:04:00,810
expansive topic there is.
And I'm like, great, let's do

67
00:04:00,810 --> 00:04:03,930
this, let's do this.
So fasten your seatbelts

68
00:04:03,930 --> 00:04:06,530
everybody, 'cause this is going
to be out there.

69
00:04:07,050 --> 00:04:08,890
So yeah, I'm super excited for
this.

70
00:04:09,330 --> 00:04:10,930
All right, well, let's fire it
up.

71
00:04:10,930 --> 00:04:13,370
What do you got?
All right.

72
00:04:13,450 --> 00:04:15,330
Oh, my goodness.
Let me go to the beginning here.

73
00:04:17,850 --> 00:04:19,329
Oops.
Sorry about that.

74
00:04:20,089 --> 00:04:23,130
We are we seeing that?
Nope, not seeing it yet.

75
00:04:25,860 --> 00:04:28,460
Are you sharing the screen?
I think so.

76
00:04:28,980 --> 00:04:33,340
All participants can share.
See what's going on here?

77
00:04:34,020 --> 00:04:40,340
Because I'm showing up.
Come on, shares going boom,

78
00:04:40,500 --> 00:04:41,940
there we go.
Sorry about that.

79
00:04:44,100 --> 00:04:51,740
There we go.
Nice.

80
00:04:51,740 --> 00:04:57,540
Earth's origin and destiny.
That is huge.

81
00:04:58,100 --> 00:05:03,020
Otherwise known as The Plan of
Salvation, The Exploded Plan of

82
00:05:03,020 --> 00:05:09,180
Salvation.
And I'll preface this by saying

83
00:05:09,180 --> 00:05:14,300
that that most of this is based
on two extremely influential

84
00:05:14,300 --> 00:05:17,980
books on my own personal
thinking in addition to my own

85
00:05:17,980 --> 00:05:22,620
research, But Earth in the
Beginning by Eric Scalzen Cleon

86
00:05:22,620 --> 00:05:26,300
Scalzen's son.
With multiple scientific degrees

87
00:05:27,220 --> 00:05:32,140
and the Co-op theorem by Lynn
Hilton, PhD, retired professor

88
00:05:33,060 --> 00:05:37,740
at Brigham Young, where they
talk about the plan of salvation

89
00:05:37,740 --> 00:05:42,820
as it applies from eternity to
eternity in one eternal round

90
00:05:42,820 --> 00:05:47,100
and what that implies.
So tonight, when you you can't

91
00:05:47,100 --> 00:05:51,380
discuss Earth's origin and its
destiny without discussing

92
00:05:51,380 --> 00:05:53,320
astronomy.
Because of Brigham Young,

93
00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:57,000
primarily or without discussing
prehistory.

94
00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:03,200
Because of Joseph Smith, not
because of science and my own

95
00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,800
thinking.
To preface this discussion, when

96
00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:11,120
I first gained a a concrete
personal knowledge of the

97
00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:16,040
truthfulness of the restored
Gospel, it was never an issue of

98
00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,280
the gospel or science in my
mind.

99
00:06:20,990 --> 00:06:24,470
If the gospel is true and if the
science is true, they're going

100
00:06:24,470 --> 00:06:27,790
to say the same thing.
Or as Eric Scalzen put in

101
00:06:27,830 --> 00:06:31,270
preface to his book, he said,
when religion and science are

102
00:06:31,270 --> 00:06:35,950
both fully understood, they will
not disagree, right?

103
00:06:35,950 --> 00:06:37,230
They're coming out from
different angles.

104
00:06:37,270 --> 00:06:41,870
The truth.
Well, so and and you go to like

105
00:06:41,870 --> 00:06:45,310
quotes by Brigham Young, right?
Like where all truth belongs to

106
00:06:45,310 --> 00:06:46,630
Mormonism.
You're right.

107
00:06:47,030 --> 00:06:50,970
And so, and that's one of the
things about Mormonism that I

108
00:06:50,970 --> 00:06:52,970
love too, is this idea of no,
no, no.

109
00:06:52,970 --> 00:06:56,250
Science, science and religion
don't have to be at odds.

110
00:06:57,290 --> 00:07:02,970
So, yeah, no, I so.
So throughout my life, my mind

111
00:07:02,970 --> 00:07:11,130
has quite innately worked at
reconciling just naturally

112
00:07:11,130 --> 00:07:14,930
because it was fun.
Reconciling what science thinks

113
00:07:14,930 --> 00:07:17,080
it knows.
With what the restored, With

114
00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,800
what we understand about the
restored gospel, which is not

115
00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,200
yet fully restored, for that
matter.

116
00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:28,240
So we're going to talk about how
the earth came to be, when the

117
00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,440
earth came to be, and how it
fits in the eternal scheme of

118
00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:36,760
things.
Ultimately, where where it came

119
00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,720
from and where it's going.
So that's a lot.

120
00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:45,840
So just a little, just a little.
We begin, appropriately, with

121
00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,840
Joseph Smith.
You ask the learn of doctors why

122
00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,280
they say the world was made out
of nothing and they will answer.

123
00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,680
Doesn't the Bible say he created
the world?

124
00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,800
So right off the bat, Joseph
Smith is addressing Young Earth

125
00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:05,240
Creationism, and I love to get
in these discussions because

126
00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,190
opponents of Mormonism.
Simplistically believe that

127
00:08:11,190 --> 00:08:14,870
we're idiots and you know, we
we're science deniers and all of

128
00:08:14,870 --> 00:08:16,590
that, which is far from the
truth.

129
00:08:17,310 --> 00:08:20,630
So Joseph Smith from day one
made it clear that we're not

130
00:08:20,670 --> 00:08:23,350
young Earth creationists, he
goes on.

131
00:08:23,830 --> 00:08:26,230
And they infer from the word
create that it must have been

132
00:08:26,230 --> 00:08:29,310
made out of nothing.
Now the word create came from

133
00:08:29,310 --> 00:08:32,710
the word barao, which does not
mean to create a create out of

134
00:08:32,710 --> 00:08:36,230
nothing.
It means to organize the same as

135
00:08:36,230 --> 00:08:38,510
a man would organize materials
and build a ship.

136
00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,440
Hence we infer that God had
materials to organize the world

137
00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:48,840
out of chaos, chaotic matter, or
as a referenced in other places,

138
00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:54,640
matter unorganized, which is
element and which dwells all the

139
00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,680
and in which dwells all the
glory.

140
00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:02,240
Element had an existence from
the time he God had the pure.

141
00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,520
Principles of element are
principles which can never be

142
00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,300
destroyed.
They may be organized and

143
00:09:08,300 --> 00:09:13,620
reorganized, but not destroyed.
They had no beginning and can

144
00:09:13,620 --> 00:09:18,940
have no end.
So here he is in the 1840s

145
00:09:20,740 --> 00:09:23,340
talking about the law of
conservation of matter and

146
00:09:23,340 --> 00:09:27,340
energy cannot be created nor
destroyed.

147
00:09:27,340 --> 00:09:30,300
One of those, you know, 100
years ahead of his time.

148
00:09:30,900 --> 00:09:34,020
Right.
Right, so he goes on.

149
00:09:35,220 --> 00:09:40,210
How do you like that photo?
I I you know, I I bounced back

150
00:09:40,210 --> 00:09:41,770
and forth.
There's a part of me that thinks

151
00:09:41,770 --> 00:09:45,290
that that could be legit.
I included it just because I'm

152
00:09:45,290 --> 00:09:48,570
tired of the old, you know,
pretty boy images of him.

153
00:09:48,570 --> 00:09:51,810
I and of course this is a
painting based off of the little

154
00:09:51,810 --> 00:09:55,090
photo in the in the Locket.
OK, I'm curious.

155
00:09:55,090 --> 00:09:58,490
Do you think that's sidebar?
Do you think that's the actual,

156
00:09:58,770 --> 00:10:03,570
an actual photo of Joseph Smith?
I don't know, OK, And the reason

157
00:10:03,570 --> 00:10:06,060
I like it.
This looks like a man who knows

158
00:10:06,060 --> 00:10:08,380
hardship.
This looks like a man who knows

159
00:10:08,380 --> 00:10:09,900
farming and working with his
hands.

160
00:10:10,140 --> 00:10:11,740
Looks like a man who likes to
wrestle.

161
00:10:12,220 --> 00:10:13,820
Yep.
Yep.

162
00:10:13,820 --> 00:10:17,500
Not not some East Coast dandy,
you know, like many of them are

163
00:10:17,500 --> 00:10:20,060
trained to be, right.
Here's.

164
00:10:20,380 --> 00:10:23,420
The most interesting thing, One
of the three most interesting

165
00:10:23,420 --> 00:10:27,500
things he has ever said.
He says the world and Earth are

166
00:10:27,500 --> 00:10:31,900
not synonymous terms.
They don't mean the same thing.

167
00:10:32,580 --> 00:10:36,760
The world is the human family.
This Earth was organized or

168
00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:41,000
formed out of other planets
which were broke up and

169
00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,560
remodeled and made into the one
on which.

170
00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:47,000
We live.
Again, the elements are eternal.

171
00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,120
Let's, let's talk, let's talk
about this for a minute, right,

172
00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:56,240
'cause this is absolutely a
radical departure from

173
00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,240
Christendom as we've known it
for so long, right?

174
00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,080
And the science of his day.
Yeah, yeah.

175
00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:08,860
So he he's he's he's not talking
just well he it's always couched

176
00:11:08,860 --> 00:11:13,660
in religion but he's revealing
some things that that mankind

177
00:11:13,780 --> 00:11:17,140
and in terms of scientists would
not come to recognize for

178
00:11:17,140 --> 00:11:21,220
another 100 years.
Exactly, exactly planet

179
00:11:21,220 --> 00:11:23,500
formation.
In fact, we didn't have a clear

180
00:11:23,740 --> 00:11:26,740
picture of that until within the
last couple of decades, and we

181
00:11:26,740 --> 00:11:29,660
could actually take photographs
of planet formation.

182
00:11:30,220 --> 00:11:31,940
Yep.
So we know that planet.

183
00:11:31,940 --> 00:11:35,260
Through there, the star goes
supernova and all the chaotic

184
00:11:35,260 --> 00:11:38,820
elements begin to coalesce
again, forming bodies and

185
00:11:38,820 --> 00:11:41,940
orbiting bodies.
And we can actually witness what

186
00:11:41,940 --> 00:11:44,740
Joseph Smith taught 200 years
ago.

187
00:11:46,260 --> 00:11:49,700
Right.
Now, but I'm going to blow your

188
00:11:49,700 --> 00:11:53,380
mind a little more because we
know that how that's talking

189
00:11:53,380 --> 00:12:00,160
about the actual coal.
The the, the actual coming

190
00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,000
together planetary bodies.
I think he might be talking

191
00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:09,120
about something else.
Brigham Young and I wanted a

192
00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,160
young picture of it.
So, Brigham Young said this

193
00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:17,240
would suggest that the family of
the gods are continually

194
00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,280
recycling the planetary and
stellar elements of the universe

195
00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,240
until these elements are
permanently associated with an

196
00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:29,820
eternal cosmic organization.
This pattern of cosmic creation

197
00:12:29,820 --> 00:12:33,580
follows the principle that when
the elements in an organized

198
00:12:33,580 --> 00:12:38,140
form do not fill the end of
their creation, they are thrown

199
00:12:38,140 --> 00:12:45,580
back to be made over again.
Think of this.

200
00:12:46,780 --> 00:12:55,340
Here's a man 170 years ago
talking about the recycling of

201
00:12:55,940 --> 00:12:58,090
the stellar elements.
Right.

202
00:12:58,850 --> 00:13:01,530
Most people today don't go
there.

203
00:13:01,530 --> 00:13:04,570
And you hear this man is let me
ask.

204
00:13:05,130 --> 00:13:08,410
With his mind and the restored
gospel pondering these things,

205
00:13:09,050 --> 00:13:11,890
let me ask you this question,
'cause this jumped out at me.

206
00:13:12,410 --> 00:13:17,170
When the elements in an
organized form do not fill the

207
00:13:17,210 --> 00:13:19,770
end of their creation, they are
thrown back.

208
00:13:20,170 --> 00:13:26,340
What do you think Brigham means
there By not filling that they

209
00:13:26,340 --> 00:13:28,220
do not feel the end of their
creation?

210
00:13:28,220 --> 00:13:31,300
What do you think he means?
I'm so glad you asked.

211
00:13:32,460 --> 00:13:36,860
Spencer W Kimball taught that
although some planets have gone

212
00:13:36,860 --> 00:13:41,220
on to perfection like this Earth
will, other planets have gone

213
00:13:41,220 --> 00:13:45,860
out of existence through self
destruction because they do not

214
00:13:45,940 --> 00:13:47,940
feel the measure of their
creation.

215
00:13:48,780 --> 00:13:53,060
So, OK, so now this is going to
be such a fascinating episode,

216
00:13:53,460 --> 00:13:55,340
because now now I'm gonna ask
this.

217
00:13:55,340 --> 00:13:59,100
Is just the tip of the iceberg.
So now I'm gonna ask this

218
00:13:59,100 --> 00:14:04,140
question by them not feeling the
measure of their creation.

219
00:14:05,140 --> 00:14:09,580
Is that because of the elements
themselves, or is that because

220
00:14:09,580 --> 00:14:13,340
there were a population that did
not fill the measure of their

221
00:14:13,340 --> 00:14:15,780
creation?
Let's go on.

222
00:14:16,340 --> 00:14:20,220
OK.
When we say unorganized matter,

223
00:14:20,980 --> 00:14:26,660
what do we tend to think of?
To me, I would think of of, you

224
00:14:26,660 --> 00:14:30,180
know, rocks floating in space
and then being brought together

225
00:14:30,180 --> 00:14:34,380
to be organized.
I'm suggesting that what we're

226
00:14:34,380 --> 00:14:38,500
viewing right here is probably
the most common form of

227
00:14:38,500 --> 00:14:40,820
unorganized matter.
OK.

228
00:14:41,620 --> 00:14:45,980
This is Mars.
So it is a planet, but it is

229
00:14:45,980 --> 00:14:50,260
devoid of life.
Unorganized matter is inert

230
00:14:50,260 --> 00:14:53,180
matter, matter that has not been
infused with life.

231
00:14:54,220 --> 00:14:57,380
OK.
So, but let me add this.

232
00:14:57,420 --> 00:14:59,660
Yeah, go ahead.
It it would still be feeling

233
00:14:59,660 --> 00:15:05,460
some sort of measure of its
creation because without like as

234
00:15:05,460 --> 00:15:09,380
I understand it and again, I'm a
meathead who loves Doritos and

235
00:15:09,380 --> 00:15:13,780
lifting weights.
But let let me ask you this,

236
00:15:14,700 --> 00:15:18,860
because we know that that this
Goldilocks zone that our planet

237
00:15:18,860 --> 00:15:22,820
inhabits, right?
Could this planet be filling the

238
00:15:22,820 --> 00:15:26,300
measure of its creation by
staying in its proper orbit and

239
00:15:26,300 --> 00:15:30,500
keeping our gravity in check, so
to speak, and keeping this nice

240
00:15:30,500 --> 00:15:33,300
clockwork pattern that we've
enjoyed for so many?

241
00:15:34,500 --> 00:15:37,100
Oh, sure.
And this this is toward the end

242
00:15:37,100 --> 00:15:42,140
of our discussion.
But Moses says that when That

243
00:15:42,140 --> 00:15:45,420
when the earth is exalted and
enters the celestial realm,

244
00:15:46,180 --> 00:15:47,860
another world shall take its
place.

245
00:15:48,420 --> 00:15:52,510
Oh, OK.
So this Goldilocks zone doesn't

246
00:15:52,510 --> 00:15:56,070
go to waste.
We're finding that they're

247
00:15:56,750 --> 00:16:00,630
they're not too common.
I mean, we we now know for the

248
00:16:00,630 --> 00:16:03,950
first time in history that there
are planets orbiting every star,

249
00:16:04,710 --> 00:16:07,590
but not every star is capable of
supporting human life as we

250
00:16:07,590 --> 00:16:09,750
understand it.
And there are lots and lots of

251
00:16:09,750 --> 00:16:12,070
planets who are not in that
Goldilocks zone.

252
00:16:13,310 --> 00:16:17,990
But what I'm suggesting, I want
to go back and forth.

253
00:16:18,910 --> 00:16:22,980
Contrast Mars.
That Earth similar orbits

254
00:16:23,980 --> 00:16:25,900
similarly.
I mean, they're close enough in

255
00:16:25,900 --> 00:16:31,100
the Goldilocks zone that they're
comparable, similar in size, but

256
00:16:31,100 --> 00:16:33,980
they could not be more
different.

257
00:16:33,980 --> 00:16:37,140
Right.
Look at this earth, this

258
00:16:37,140 --> 00:16:42,300
terrarium in the vacuum of space
which is so perfectly ordered

259
00:16:42,300 --> 00:16:46,020
and organized.
You and I can go outside naked

260
00:16:46,660 --> 00:16:49,860
if we wanted and be just
comfortable and fine.

261
00:16:50,570 --> 00:16:54,210
I mean, we don't even, we don't
even require protection in this

262
00:16:54,210 --> 00:16:57,210
perfect terrarium of the space.
How wonderful.

263
00:16:57,210 --> 00:17:01,850
How rare?
How against the odds is that?

264
00:17:01,970 --> 00:17:04,490
Right.
When we could be this?

265
00:17:05,450 --> 00:17:08,050
Yeah.
And it's abundantly clear that

266
00:17:08,050 --> 00:17:13,410
Mars once had oceans, right?
So there's a part of me that

267
00:17:13,410 --> 00:17:19,740
thinks, no, let's go on for now.
This is what science currently

268
00:17:19,740 --> 00:17:26,380
believes about the history, the
ancient, the prehistory of

269
00:17:26,500 --> 00:17:30,020
Earth.
Starting on the left hand side,

270
00:17:30,020 --> 00:17:35,660
we see the whole thing 4.6
billion years to the present.

271
00:17:36,380 --> 00:17:39,740
And as far as science knows, in
terms of the geological record,

272
00:17:40,660 --> 00:17:44,620
there are no signs of any life
whatsoever in the geological

273
00:17:44,620 --> 00:17:51,150
record until.
About 5500 million years later,

274
00:17:51,150 --> 00:17:56,070
so about 4 billion years passed
with no significant sign of

275
00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:58,590
life.
And then we see this part

276
00:17:58,590 --> 00:18:05,030
expanded here, 600 million BC to
the to the common era.

277
00:18:06,190 --> 00:18:08,590
And we see these, these are the
things we hear about the

278
00:18:08,590 --> 00:18:12,630
Cambrian, the Cambrian
explosion, the first sign of

279
00:18:12,910 --> 00:18:15,550
this explosion of complex life
forms.

280
00:18:16,970 --> 00:18:19,610
And then we go into the Devonian
and the Permian and then we get

281
00:18:19,610 --> 00:18:25,010
to the most famous Jurassic
Cretaceous Tracic periods and

282
00:18:25,010 --> 00:18:27,050
then leading to the tertiary
period.

283
00:18:27,530 --> 00:18:35,690
And then we expand that last,
what is that 60 million years

284
00:18:37,690 --> 00:18:42,170
Paleocene etcetera, the Miocene.
And we don't get to the

285
00:18:42,170 --> 00:18:46,130
appearance of man until this
little sliver clear at the tippy

286
00:18:46,130 --> 00:18:48,820
top.
The Holocene, right?

287
00:18:49,140 --> 00:18:51,340
The Holocene.
The earliest humanoids.

288
00:18:51,340 --> 00:18:54,100
And we'll talk about them too,
right.

289
00:18:54,260 --> 00:18:55,820
Let let me ask a quick question
here.

290
00:18:55,820 --> 00:18:59,060
The Cambrian explosion, that's
when we first start seeing

291
00:18:59,060 --> 00:19:02,500
complex life.
But I I don't think we're doing

292
00:19:02,500 --> 00:19:05,860
it justice, 'cause it's not like
just one life form right it, it

293
00:19:05,860 --> 00:19:08,500
seems.
To be explosion all at once of

294
00:19:08,500 --> 00:19:13,340
all these varied life forms that
really show up and and in some

295
00:19:13,340 --> 00:19:18,700
ways kind of defy evolution to a
large extent because they just

296
00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:22,700
show up, right, They just.
Have you gone through my notes?

297
00:19:23,060 --> 00:19:26,300
No, no, I'm just because you're
you're totally.

298
00:19:26,300 --> 00:19:28,340
Leading this discussion.
This is awesome.

299
00:19:28,700 --> 00:19:30,860
No?
I I I just don't sleep much.

300
00:19:30,860 --> 00:19:33,820
And so I read about.
This is what science says.

301
00:19:35,300 --> 00:19:37,620
Does this jive with the restored
gospel?

302
00:19:38,580 --> 00:19:43,300
Joseph Smith Again.
Eternity has been going on.

303
00:19:43,830 --> 00:19:51,110
In this system, not this world,
almost 2555 millions of years.

304
00:19:53,390 --> 00:19:58,230
That was 1845, shortly after his
martyrdom, and he was being

305
00:19:58,230 --> 00:20:01,030
quoted by WW Phelps to William
Clayton.

306
00:20:01,990 --> 00:20:07,550
So, so Joseph, so mind you,
geologists at the time in 1845

307
00:20:07,550 --> 00:20:11,590
were estimating the age of the
Earth at 40,000 years.

308
00:20:14,370 --> 00:20:19,130
Now, and we wouldn't say 2555
millions of years, we would say

309
00:20:20,130 --> 00:20:24,250
2.555 billion.
That's the number he's talking

310
00:20:24,250 --> 00:20:28,530
about.
So when he says not this world,

311
00:20:28,530 --> 00:20:32,970
because we just read a quote
where he talks about a world

312
00:20:32,970 --> 00:20:36,970
means people, right?
Essentially, people on a planet,

313
00:20:37,130 --> 00:20:40,570
yes, yes.
He's, he says not this world.

314
00:20:40,570 --> 00:20:42,850
He's he's basically saying
before man.

315
00:20:43,410 --> 00:20:47,850
Right before man ever got here,
this system, and I assume he's

316
00:20:47,850 --> 00:20:52,450
talking about the Earth and
maybe our direct solar system

317
00:20:52,770 --> 00:20:57,810
has been going on.
Or he could be talking about the

318
00:20:57,810 --> 00:21:03,730
track that we are on this
system, which I mean this.

319
00:21:04,050 --> 00:21:07,530
What I love about this statement
is it's so bold in its

320
00:21:09,650 --> 00:21:14,840
chronological scope.
It is way beyond anybody of his

321
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,200
time estimating the they weren't
even thinking in terms of

322
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,200
billions.
He was which which is

323
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,360
significant.
This is not too far off from 4

324
00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:28,480
1/2 billion years that the the
people say this earth has

325
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:33,480
existed.
Some people have interpreted

326
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:40,160
this statement to mean our
system, our begin our from the

327
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:46,520
time we were born as spirits,
when our intelligence was fused

328
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:52,320
with spirit matter, which we'll
also talk about to the present

329
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:58,920
day 2.555 billion years.
Now it's funny to me, he didn't

330
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:03,640
say 2 billion years, you know,
or 2 1/2 billion years.

331
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:08,360
This is a very specific number.
So what he's talking about is a

332
00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:14,010
time period that defines the
duration of a generation of

333
00:22:14,010 --> 00:22:18,570
gods, meaning how long it takes
for the offspring of God from

334
00:22:18,570 --> 00:22:22,210
the point of their birth to
becoming gods themselves.

335
00:22:23,970 --> 00:22:28,490
OK, some have interpreted that
to mean this is he has just

336
00:22:28,490 --> 00:22:31,250
given us how long an eternity
is.

337
00:22:31,770 --> 00:22:35,730
OK, a generation of gods, we're
going to talk a lot about the

338
00:22:35,730 --> 00:22:38,810
eternity right now.
First, let's talk about this

339
00:22:38,810 --> 00:22:43,600
number.
By the way, most people don't

340
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,080
know that's what Kolob looks
like.

341
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,440
Pretty cool, huh?
Yeah, it is cool.

342
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,680
I don't know if that looks like
Kolob, but it could be right.

343
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,520
We know from scripture that a
day on Kolob is equal to 1000

344
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,120
years on earth.
Why is Kolob significant?

345
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,640
God reckons God reckons time on
earth by kolob.

346
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,360
Our our times are related,
though different.

347
00:23:09,690 --> 00:23:15,570
And we will send a kolob is nigh
unto the celestial Is kolob

348
00:23:15,570 --> 00:23:19,330
celestial?
No what is nigh unto the

349
00:23:19,330 --> 00:23:23,890
celestial the terrestrial right,
And that Brigham Young and

350
00:23:23,890 --> 00:23:28,170
others taught that the earth
when it was first formed, or the

351
00:23:28,170 --> 00:23:31,090
world when it was formed, was
nigh unto kolob.

352
00:23:31,090 --> 00:23:36,130
But we'll get into that.
But we need to talk about this

353
00:23:36,130 --> 00:23:38,730
number in the duration of an
eternity.

354
00:23:39,660 --> 00:23:43,100
So on on earth, by our time, we
know when eternity.

355
00:23:43,100 --> 00:23:45,540
If assuming for the sake of
discussion that this is the

356
00:23:45,540 --> 00:23:49,060
length of an eternity, the
question becomes, how long is

357
00:23:49,060 --> 00:23:51,700
that on Colob, and is that a
significant number?

358
00:23:53,220 --> 00:23:56,900
Now, mind you, Joseph Smith
didn't finish this equation for

359
00:23:56,900 --> 00:23:59,700
us.
He gave us all the pieces,

360
00:24:00,260 --> 00:24:03,660
meaning he either knew the
answer and didn't give it to us

361
00:24:03,940 --> 00:24:06,380
to us, or he didn't have the
answer yet himself.

362
00:24:06,380 --> 00:24:08,860
But the number is still
extraordinary, as we shall see.

363
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:15,630
So if a day on Kolob is 1000
years, a year on Kolob is

364
00:24:15,630 --> 00:24:23,790
365,000 years on Earth.
Now that we know that, we can do

365
00:24:23,790 --> 00:24:28,310
the math backwards.
If an eternity on Earth is 2.555

366
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:33,630
billion, we can deduce how many
Kolob years that is by dividing

367
00:24:33,630 --> 00:24:38,790
2.55 billion by 365,000.
OK.

368
00:24:40,260 --> 00:24:44,620
I see where you're at.
Fasten your seatbelts.

369
00:24:45,380 --> 00:24:47,660
Wow.
The duration of an eternity on

370
00:24:47,660 --> 00:24:54,460
Colob is 7000 years.
COLOB years, exactly.

371
00:24:54,940 --> 00:24:58,260
OK, you do the math and that's
when I tell people this I I make

372
00:24:58,260 --> 00:25:00,460
them get the calculator up
because they don't believe me.

373
00:25:01,660 --> 00:25:05,380
Right.
And an eternity and a creative.

374
00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:09,190
Epoch, The generation of gods,
the time it takes for us to

375
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:14,990
progress from baby spirits to
resurrected exalted beings, is

376
00:25:14,990 --> 00:25:19,190
7000 years on Kolob.
Why is that number significant?

377
00:25:20,910 --> 00:25:26,270
'Cause that was that was that
was the 7000 was was the number

378
00:25:26,270 --> 00:25:28,470
that people thought for a long
time.

379
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:31,990
How the the age of the earth?
Right that that the earth was

380
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:34,670
created in seven created
periods?

381
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:40,020
Yep, that the order of God is
based on the weak, right?

382
00:25:40,020 --> 00:25:44,580
And in section 77 it tells us
that the temporal existence of

383
00:25:44,580 --> 00:25:50,860
this earth is 7000 years
temporal meaning in time.

384
00:25:51,420 --> 00:25:56,460
Right.
So in 7000 and the number seven

385
00:25:56,460 --> 00:26:01,540
is whole complete.
Right this What are the odds

386
00:26:01,780 --> 00:26:05,910
that an eternity on Kolob is
7000 years?

387
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:08,950
That's crazy.
He's gone.

388
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:11,790
Yeah.
And and the fact he calls that,

389
00:26:12,110 --> 00:26:16,270
the fact that Joseph calls out
that I won't even pretend that 2

390
00:26:16,270 --> 00:26:20,430
1/2 billion years or whatever,
and then it all kind of gets

391
00:26:20,430 --> 00:26:25,390
whittled down to 7000, that's
that's a hell of a coincidence,

392
00:26:25,470 --> 00:26:27,510
right?
I didn't think he's a pretty

393
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:32,990
good guesser, Doctrine
Covenants.

394
00:26:34,380 --> 00:26:38,300
His purposes fail not.
Neither are there any who can

395
00:26:38,300 --> 00:26:42,140
stay his hand from eternity to
eternity.

396
00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:45,740
He is the same, and his years
never fail.

397
00:26:46,660 --> 00:26:50,500
Joseph Smith used this phrase a
lot in Scripture and in his

398
00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:55,660
speech Speaking of eternities in
plural, and in my book you'll

399
00:26:55,660 --> 00:26:57,940
see a lot of that too.
I forgot to include that that

400
00:26:57,940 --> 00:27:01,300
the ancient texts talk about
eternities in plural.

401
00:27:01,580 --> 00:27:05,330
So eternity can mean forever or
in very often.

402
00:27:05,330 --> 00:27:09,610
It it is like, you know, we have
century, we have decades,

403
00:27:09,610 --> 00:27:12,410
centuries, millenniums and
eternities.

404
00:27:12,890 --> 00:27:16,090
Right, right.
It's an an epoch of time.

405
00:27:17,130 --> 00:27:20,370
And this is, this is the genius
of Joseph Smith, right?

406
00:27:20,370 --> 00:27:26,010
I I want to point that out.
Is that and and I shouldn't say,

407
00:27:26,010 --> 00:27:29,930
the genius of Joseph Smith.
This is the genius of what was

408
00:27:29,930 --> 00:27:34,640
revealed to Joseph Smith.
It's the mind of God, but that

409
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,360
Joseph Smith could comprehend
it.

410
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,760
For the first credit right, for
the first time in human history,

411
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,440
man is put into proximity to the
divine.

412
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,520
Yeah.
Deity.

413
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,320
Yep.
Well, and we we skipped the.

414
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:58,580
I mean this is another
discussion the how modern

415
00:27:58,580 --> 00:28:01,900
science that the the teachings
of the Prophet Joseph Smith in

416
00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:03,980
the light of modern science,
right.

417
00:28:04,180 --> 00:28:07,180
The very when he teaches that
time is not the same everywhere,

418
00:28:07,180 --> 00:28:09,620
what is he teaching?
He's teaching the theory of the

419
00:28:09,620 --> 00:28:11,500
relativity of time.
Right.

420
00:28:12,340 --> 00:28:16,420
What again, A century ahead.
Anyway, now we get to this

421
00:28:16,420 --> 00:28:20,620
bottom quote.
It is the first principle of the

422
00:28:20,620 --> 00:28:25,540
gospel to know for a certainty
the character of God and to know

423
00:28:25,540 --> 00:28:29,560
that we may converse with him as
one man converses with another,

424
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,320
and that he was once a man like
us.

425
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,520
Sadly, this is where most people
stop, because he goes on to say

426
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,000
he wasn't exactly a man like us,
he was mortal, but he explains

427
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,880
it.
Yeah, that God himself, the

428
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,000
Father of us, all dwelt on an
earth the same as Jesus Christ

429
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,000
himself did.
And I will show it from the

430
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,880
Bible.
And then he goes and quotes, I

431
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,470
think it's John 17, where Christ
says I do nothing but what I

432
00:28:57,470 --> 00:29:04,950
have seen the Father do.
So what He's teaching us here is

433
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:10,150
that our Father in Heaven was
the Savior of His eternity.

434
00:29:10,550 --> 00:29:14,670
Right, right.
The progressions of godhood.

435
00:29:16,350 --> 00:29:19,710
And of course that has
implications regarding the, I

436
00:29:19,710 --> 00:29:24,270
mean, if if you extrapolate
what's happening to us and where

437
00:29:24,270 --> 00:29:27,270
we came from in the previous
eternity and where we're going

438
00:29:27,270 --> 00:29:30,150
and what's going to, that
implies a lot of things that

439
00:29:30,150 --> 00:29:31,710
we're not prepared to talk about
tonight.

440
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:39,830
Yeah, but so here's John Taylor.
I have to tell you how surprised

441
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:43,230
I am at how deep thinking these
people were.

442
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:47,670
And some of the people of our
generation are John Taylor, Well

443
00:29:47,670 --> 00:29:50,990
done for Mormonism.
It unravels the little mysteries

444
00:29:50,990 --> 00:29:55,020
which like a fog, the serene
atmosphere of heaven, and looks

445
00:29:55,020 --> 00:29:59,980
from world to world, from system
to system, from universe to

446
00:29:59,980 --> 00:30:04,980
universe, and from eternity to
eternity, where in each and all

447
00:30:04,980 --> 00:30:09,780
there is a presidency of God's
and God's many and Lord's many.

448
00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:12,580
And by the way, he's quoting
Corinthians there.

449
00:30:14,140 --> 00:30:17,980
For Paul said that, and he's
though there be Lord's many and

450
00:30:17,980 --> 00:30:22,110
God's money many, to us there is
but one God and one saving.

451
00:30:23,630 --> 00:30:28,150
And from time to time, or from
eternity to eternity, Jesus

452
00:30:28,150 --> 00:30:32,150
Christ shall bring in another
world, regulated and saved, as

453
00:30:32,150 --> 00:30:35,430
this will be when he delivers it
up to the Father.

454
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:43,750
And God becomes All in all.
Now, riffing on this thing, say

455
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:49,630
what you will about Bruce
Mcconkey, he encapsulates this

456
00:30:49,630 --> 00:30:53,500
teaching and extrapolates his
teaching better than anyone else

457
00:30:53,500 --> 00:30:57,460
I've heard.
Look, it's a photo of him

458
00:30:57,460 --> 00:30:59,660
actually smiling.
I like.

459
00:31:00,380 --> 00:31:03,100
I didn't think he could do that.
Now you look at him you don't

460
00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:04,820
recognize.
No.

461
00:31:05,140 --> 00:31:10,700
He has teeth.
As men view things from their

462
00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:14,660
mortal perspective.
There was a past eternity, and

463
00:31:14,660 --> 00:31:18,740
there will be a future eternity.
The past eternity embraced the

464
00:31:18,740 --> 00:31:22,980
sphere of eternal existence
which all men had as the spirit

465
00:31:22,980 --> 00:31:26,380
offspring of exalted parents in
preexistence.

466
00:31:27,140 --> 00:31:30,460
The future eternity will be that
eternal sphere in which the

467
00:31:30,460 --> 00:31:33,340
righteous, having gained both
immortality and eternal life,

468
00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:38,460
will themselves become exalted
parents and have a continuation

469
00:31:38,460 --> 00:31:43,220
of the seeds forever and ever,
quoting Dr. Covenants.

470
00:31:43,820 --> 00:31:47,980
In this sense, eternity becomes
a measure of eternal time.

471
00:31:48,890 --> 00:31:51,810
Those past ages when all men
dwelt in the presence of their

472
00:31:51,810 --> 00:31:54,330
Eternal Father were one
eternity.

473
00:31:54,770 --> 00:31:58,450
And those future ages when these
spirit children will have gone

474
00:31:58,450 --> 00:32:02,330
on to exaltation, having spirit
children of their own will be

475
00:32:02,330 --> 00:32:08,890
another eternity, he goes on.
Having in mind this eternal,

476
00:32:08,970 --> 00:32:13,930
unending repetition of the
eternal plan of creation,

477
00:32:14,170 --> 00:32:18,110
redemption, and salvation, it is
plain what our Lord meant when

478
00:32:18,110 --> 00:32:23,190
He said He was from all eternity
to all eternity in doctrine and

479
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:25,590
covenants.
And also when He said of Himself

480
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:29,270
from eternity to eternity He is
the same, and as yours never

481
00:32:29,270 --> 00:32:31,910
fail.
In other words, Christ, as an

482
00:32:31,910 --> 00:32:35,630
eternal exalted being, never
varies from 1 eternity to the

483
00:32:35,630 --> 00:32:38,950
next.
He is the same from preexistence

484
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:42,070
to preexistence.
His course goes on in one

485
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:45,380
eternal round, and so will it be
with all exalted beings.

486
00:32:45,380 --> 00:32:48,900
Those who become gods will then
be from eternity to eternity

487
00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:52,260
everlastingly the same, always
possessing the fullness of all

488
00:32:52,260 --> 00:32:55,660
things and multiplying their
race without end.

489
00:32:56,740 --> 00:32:59,860
And I love this little summation
from this lovely book.

490
00:33:01,580 --> 00:33:06,580
The process of begetting spirit
offspring, preparing earths on

491
00:33:06,580 --> 00:33:10,580
which they may dwell, and
perfecting all things is an

492
00:33:10,580 --> 00:33:15,850
endless divine cycle, one
eternal round as described in

493
00:33:15,850 --> 00:33:17,690
the Book of Mormon and the
Doctrine Covenants.

494
00:33:17,690 --> 00:33:22,570
Among other things, such a round
may equal 1 eternity or one

495
00:33:22,570 --> 00:33:30,970
creative epoch of the gods.
I love that rings true to me.

496
00:33:31,290 --> 00:33:35,050
Yeah.
And I meant to say at the

497
00:33:35,050 --> 00:33:41,250
beginning of all this, I I teach
gospel doctrine and I will never

498
00:33:42,210 --> 00:33:46,730
teach this as gospel time.
What we're doing is a brother

499
00:33:46,730 --> 00:33:49,690
brigaded.
We're reckoning, but I have to

500
00:33:49,690 --> 00:33:54,050
say we're reckoning based.
I mean, I'm not just

501
00:33:54,050 --> 00:33:57,170
freewheeling based on nothing,
you know, right.

502
00:33:57,370 --> 00:33:59,650
It's not official doctrine,
right?

503
00:33:59,770 --> 00:34:04,330
But we're we're quoting, we are
quoting prophets and well

504
00:34:04,330 --> 00:34:08,290
thought people and scripture,
right.

505
00:34:08,290 --> 00:34:10,610
Which has not the fullness of
which has not yet been revealed.

506
00:34:10,610 --> 00:34:15,580
But this is fun.
So now we come back to Joseph

507
00:34:15,580 --> 00:34:17,420
Smith's statement.
The world and earth are not

508
00:34:17,420 --> 00:34:20,380
synonymous terms.
The world is the human family,

509
00:34:20,980 --> 00:34:22,820
otherwise known as what?
The world of Adam.

510
00:34:23,699 --> 00:34:26,540
Right from Earth.
In the beginning, some have

511
00:34:26,540 --> 00:34:30,340
suggested that the Earth's
fossilized life forms are

512
00:34:30,340 --> 00:34:33,980
remnants from these older
planets and have nothing to do

513
00:34:34,420 --> 00:34:39,100
with anything that ever lived on
this Earth anciently or now.

514
00:34:39,889 --> 00:34:41,969
However, this idea presents us
with several problems.

515
00:34:41,969 --> 00:34:45,370
So people imagine that there was
this planet that had dinosaurs,

516
00:34:45,370 --> 00:34:48,730
the planet was smashed into
smithereens and it came back

517
00:34:48,730 --> 00:34:50,530
together.
And every once in a while we'll

518
00:34:50,530 --> 00:34:54,449
find a dinosaur bone sticking
out that it didn't live and die

519
00:34:54,810 --> 00:34:58,170
on the surface of our planet.
So far so good.

520
00:34:58,770 --> 00:35:03,490
Yep, here's the problem with
that thinking, and I'll get to

521
00:35:03,490 --> 00:35:06,290
the why.
A lot of people have a hard time

522
00:35:06,290 --> 00:35:08,170
with this, and then we'll
discuss why that is.

523
00:35:09,500 --> 00:35:11,060
Here's the problem with that
type of thinking.

524
00:35:11,060 --> 00:35:14,100
First of all, the crust of the
Earth is ultra thin.

525
00:35:14,980 --> 00:35:17,700
It is, relative to the bulk of
the Earth itself, extremely

526
00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:19,420
fragile and carefully
constructed.

527
00:35:20,020 --> 00:35:22,740
If fossils from broken up
planets are part of the crust,

528
00:35:23,300 --> 00:35:27,580
why are they on and within this
thin surface rather than

529
00:35:27,580 --> 00:35:29,180
somewhere deep in the body of
the Earth?

530
00:35:30,060 --> 00:35:31,820
And it's more specific than
that.

531
00:35:32,220 --> 00:35:36,660
They're always found at the same
depth of the same geological

532
00:35:36,660 --> 00:35:40,560
layer in the same sequence.
We might accept a jumble of

533
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,240
fossils scattered at random
throughout the crust as coming

534
00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:45,520
from old planets.
Can I can I interrupt you real

535
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,440
quick before you start reading
that Oh yeah, yeah you said

536
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,520
something there and I I wanna I
wanna go back to this because

537
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,800
this this would this is kind of
critical in in a new earth

538
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:02,120
versus old earth kind of of
thought you're you're making the

539
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:07,800
contention here that we find all
these animals in roughly the

540
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,090
same stratum.
As you did thought, being that

541
00:36:12,090 --> 00:36:16,970
if these were creatures on a
different planet that and they

542
00:36:16,970 --> 00:36:20,010
were just fossilized on that
other planet or whatever, and as

543
00:36:20,010 --> 00:36:23,690
they would come in we would
expect to see them more

544
00:36:23,690 --> 00:36:26,930
dispersed and intermixed.
Is that kind of what I'm drawing

545
00:36:26,930 --> 00:36:28,850
from that?
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

546
00:36:28,850 --> 00:36:31,810
And we're going to explain this
more that.

547
00:36:31,810 --> 00:36:35,190
But you're exactly right.
But the facts of fossil

548
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:37,670
placement are just the opposite.
There is a very carefully

549
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:39,590
established sequence in the
Earth's strata.

550
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:43,310
Would the family of gods
deliberately put fossils from

551
00:36:43,350 --> 00:36:46,910
older planets in and on the
Earth in a carefully ordered

552
00:36:46,910 --> 00:36:50,430
pattern just to baffle and
mislead us concerning their

553
00:36:50,430 --> 00:36:52,590
origin?
What would be the purpose of

554
00:36:52,590 --> 00:36:55,790
that?
Not only that, but this, this

555
00:36:55,790 --> 00:36:59,950
strata, and they're named here.
And the further down you go, the

556
00:36:59,950 --> 00:37:04,320
more ancient they are.
This is a world map of where

557
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,800
these fossils are found.
It's everywhere.

558
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,760
It's not isolated.
It's everywhere.

559
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,000
The strata and the remains of
these prehistoric creatures are

560
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,880
everywhere.
The inescapable truth is they

561
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,760
lived on the surface of this
planet.

562
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:29,560
OK, so how do we reconcile that
with what Joseph Smith said?

563
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,200
We're going to go to that right
now.

564
00:37:34,190 --> 00:37:40,150
Erikskowsen makes this very
significant statement that is

565
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:42,550
true.
One startling fact about these

566
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:46,270
ancient remains is that most of
them bear little or no

567
00:37:46,270 --> 00:37:49,750
resemblance to plants and
animals living today.

568
00:37:50,670 --> 00:37:53,590
So in the geological record at
the end of the Cretaceous

569
00:37:53,590 --> 00:37:59,790
period, the dinosaurs disappear,
and in the Tertiary period, new

570
00:37:59,790 --> 00:38:02,990
creatures come about that bear
little to no resemblance.

571
00:38:03,630 --> 00:38:08,870
That's that's sea life, animal
life and plant life, completely

572
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:12,030
different from the immediately
preceding era.

573
00:38:12,590 --> 00:38:13,910
That's crazy.
Yeah.

574
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:17,710
And I think this would also be a
good example of maybe what

575
00:38:17,710 --> 00:38:20,990
Joseph was talking about when it
comes to worlds, right.

576
00:38:20,990 --> 00:38:25,190
When you're talking it's it's
literally, you know we could say

577
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:28,550
it would look like a different
world but when when all the

578
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:32,350
sudden you you change.
When you look at what the

579
00:38:32,350 --> 00:38:37,430
definition of a world is from a
gospel perspective, now all of a

580
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:40,590
sudden you you start to
understand that even though it's

581
00:38:40,590 --> 00:38:46,870
on this same rocky sphere, it is
a different world.

582
00:38:46,910 --> 00:38:48,830
They're they're different
inhabitants.

583
00:38:48,830 --> 00:38:51,110
Is, is that a good way of making
that connection?

584
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:52,230
Thank you.
Yes.

585
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:55,110
That is exactly what Eric
Scalzen is suggesting.

586
00:38:55,110 --> 00:38:58,270
And that's exactly what I
personally believe the

587
00:38:58,310 --> 00:39:01,620
geological record.
I'm gonna go back to this.

588
00:39:03,020 --> 00:39:09,340
The life forms are so markedly
different, especially, and we're

589
00:39:09,340 --> 00:39:11,620
going to talk about mass
extinction events in a minute,

590
00:39:11,620 --> 00:39:14,940
which is really awesome.
Whenever one of these happens

591
00:39:14,940 --> 00:39:22,340
between these eras, the new life
forms that appear in geological

592
00:39:22,340 --> 00:39:27,900
terms really quickly are so
different that the slow and

593
00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:32,200
steady state of Darwinian
evolution cannot explain how

594
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,240
that happens.
Right.

595
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,440
You know, now people are quick
to find out, well, what about

596
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,080
the shark?
And what about the owl, The

597
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,360
crocodile that's like ancient,
Sure that we shouldn't be

598
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,080
surprised there should be
carryover given what we're

599
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,920
displaying in a minute.
But the fact of the matter is 99

600
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,680
point was it like 99.9% of all
species which have ever walked

601
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,960
upon the surface of this planet
are extinct?

602
00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:04,000
2.
So all of the all of this old

603
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,800
stuff, they're not around.
We are, right.

604
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,480
Well, I mean there's so much to
talk about.

605
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:16,320
So, so the the archaeologists,
anthropologists, the Neo

606
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,720
Darwinians who talk, who talk,
who preach evolution in the in a

607
00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:27,510
desperate attempt to explain
what happens, Eric Stallin says,

608
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:31,270
In fact, the fossilized strata,
rather than being a reasonably

609
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:34,030
continuous record of evolving
life forms, is more like a

610
00:40:34,030 --> 00:40:37,110
record of repeated introductions
of new life forms.

611
00:40:37,950 --> 00:40:42,350
What the geological record shows
is an explosion of new life

612
00:40:42,350 --> 00:40:45,990
forms and stagnation.
They remain the same for

613
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:50,390
millions of years, Then they
disappear and a whole bunch of

614
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:53,910
new life forms appear, and then
they stagnate, and then they

615
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:55,470
disappear.
See what I mean?

616
00:40:55,810 --> 00:40:57,530
Right.
And it's such it's.

617
00:40:57,530 --> 00:41:01,650
So it's such a stark realization
in the geological record that

618
00:41:01,650 --> 00:41:06,330
way back and I think in the 70s
a couple of archaeologists had

619
00:41:06,330 --> 00:41:10,610
to come up with a new theory,
which they call punctuated

620
00:41:10,770 --> 00:41:15,290
equilibrium.
Let let let me translate that.

621
00:41:15,690 --> 00:41:18,690
Being a guy who made an excuse
for drinking a lot, I'm good at

622
00:41:18,690 --> 00:41:21,930
this game.
Punctuated equilibrium is what

623
00:41:21,930 --> 00:41:25,970
we like to affectionately refer
to as baffling you with BS.

624
00:41:26,610 --> 00:41:29,490
Right.
But you know what I have to

625
00:41:29,490 --> 00:41:32,290
respect to these guys?
Number one, that they they're

626
00:41:32,290 --> 00:41:35,970
openly admitting the conundrum,
and that they're at least

627
00:41:35,970 --> 00:41:39,690
graphing it and trying to posit
some explanation.

628
00:41:41,130 --> 00:41:45,450
Now here, and what most of us
don't really consider is the

629
00:41:45,450 --> 00:41:50,330
corner that Darwinian and Neo
Darwinists have painted

630
00:41:50,330 --> 00:41:55,650
themselves into.
If you limit yourself to no

631
00:41:55,650 --> 00:42:00,810
outside involvement, to no
intelligent design, no God, no

632
00:42:00,810 --> 00:42:04,530
transplanting of life or
anything like that, they don't

633
00:42:04,530 --> 00:42:07,010
have any other explanation,
right?

634
00:42:07,250 --> 00:42:12,170
They have to explain how somehow
magically the Earth gets erased

635
00:42:12,210 --> 00:42:14,490
and new species arrive on the
scene.

636
00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:16,640
Right.
Real quick.

637
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,880
They're trying hard, you know,
and I love to, because their

638
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,600
science is a means to an end,
right?

639
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,800
This punctuated equilibrium is
is an admission to what the

640
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,560
geological record is actually
showing.

641
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,720
Right, real quick explain what a
Neo Darwinist is.

642
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:34,320
They're the modern day
Darwinists.

643
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,410
OK, so they they believe that
man evolved from primitive life

644
00:42:38,410 --> 00:42:42,010
forms and that and that life
spontaneously evolved here on

645
00:42:42,010 --> 00:42:45,530
earth and gradually progressed
to more and more complex life

646
00:42:45,530 --> 00:42:48,890
forms, which is not what the
geological record shows.

647
00:42:49,210 --> 00:42:52,650
How did how did that differ
differ from Darwinism, though?

648
00:42:53,650 --> 00:42:57,090
Well, they've they've modified
it to make it more palatable.

649
00:42:57,610 --> 00:43:02,410
OK, and what's fun?
I've had this discussion and

650
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:07,440
believers are accused of what
they called the God and the Gaps

651
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,400
theory.
So when there are aspects of our

652
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,240
geological record or prehistoric
we don't understand, we ascribe

653
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:19,560
it to our magical power of God.
I and I come back at them and I

654
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:24,200
said, well, if that's true for
me, then you're a believer of

655
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,320
evolution in the gaps.
Somehow evolution magically

656
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,320
bridged these gaps by some
magical power that you don't

657
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:36,910
understand or can't explain.
Right let let let me address

658
00:43:36,910 --> 00:43:41,310
here I'm not.
There is solid evidence of what

659
00:43:41,310 --> 00:43:47,470
we call micro evolution that the
law of the jungle, survival of

660
00:43:47,470 --> 00:43:49,070
the fittest does function in
nature.

661
00:43:49,070 --> 00:43:55,430
We do see species evolve within
their species through selection.

662
00:43:57,430 --> 00:44:01,710
Macro evolution is 1 species
becoming another species

663
00:44:01,710 --> 00:44:04,920
entirely.
That has yet to be proven in any

664
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,480
real sense at all, right?
And so when we talk about

665
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,280
evolution, we need to be more
careful.

666
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,560
Are we discussing
microevolution, which is proven

667
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,120
and is an interesting concept.
In fact, you and I are in that

668
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,120
very process, in the plan of
salvation.

669
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:27,880
Right, but monkeys becoming
humans, or amoeba becoming fish

670
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,560
or fish becoming dinosaurs, You
know, that sort of thing.

671
00:44:32,610 --> 00:44:36,090
There is no evidence of that to
date.

672
00:44:37,210 --> 00:44:40,530
So would microevolution be
another term for like

673
00:44:40,530 --> 00:44:42,330
adaptation?
Yes.

674
00:44:42,690 --> 00:44:46,050
OK, Yeah.
Yeah, I I would agree with that.

675
00:44:48,850 --> 00:44:50,290
Here's where it gets really
exciting.

676
00:44:51,730 --> 00:44:56,370
This is a relatively new
development in the evolutionary

677
00:44:56,610 --> 00:45:02,090
science.
Well, I'll just read it in

678
00:45:02,090 --> 00:45:05,410
geology.
Catastrophism theorizes that the

679
00:45:05,410 --> 00:45:08,890
Earth has largely been largely
been shaped by sudden, short

680
00:45:08,890 --> 00:45:12,970
lived, violent events, possibly
worldwide in scope.

681
00:45:14,410 --> 00:45:18,850
This is in contrast with
uniformitarianism, sometimes

682
00:45:18,850 --> 00:45:22,890
called gradualism, according to
which slow, incremental changes

683
00:45:22,890 --> 00:45:25,130
such as erosion brought about
all the Earth's geological

684
00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:28,770
features.
That also applies to Neo

685
00:45:28,770 --> 00:45:34,020
Darwinism, that evolution was
possible because the Earth is so

686
00:45:34,020 --> 00:45:36,300
old.
It took all of that time for

687
00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:42,620
these things to evolve into
higher life forms, and in order

688
00:45:42,620 --> 00:45:45,980
for that to happen, you had to
have this gradualism or

689
00:45:45,980 --> 00:45:50,060
uniformitarianism, this steady
state that nothing changes for

690
00:45:50,060 --> 00:45:52,420
long periods of time so that
these things can evolve.

691
00:45:53,700 --> 00:45:57,260
Catastrophism turns.
Gradualism on its head, turns it

692
00:45:57,260 --> 00:46:01,160
upside down, and there's no
denying catastrophism for what

693
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:05,120
I'm going to show you next.
And so catastrophism is a

694
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,840
partial explanation to
punctuated equilibrium.

695
00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:11,920
OK, why?
They're why things have to start

696
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,840
over and we'll see what these
catastrophes are.

697
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,280
This is the single most
informative graph regarding the

698
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,360
prehistor of the earth you will
ever see.

699
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,750
So this is backwards out.
Left is current day, right is

700
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:33,150
600 million years ago, before
the Cambrian period, Cambrian

701
00:46:33,150 --> 00:46:41,030
era.
Each blue diamond is a crater on

702
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:42,590
Earth that was left by an
asteroid.

703
00:46:43,310 --> 00:46:47,270
The size of the crater is
indicated by where the blue

704
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:51,510
diamond is, which is reflective
of how big the the killer

705
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:57,910
asteroid was.
The orange squares are volcanic

706
00:46:57,910 --> 00:47:04,030
events, and the size of volcanic
event is also represented by how

707
00:47:04,030 --> 00:47:10,830
high it is on the graph.
The different lines represent

708
00:47:10,830 --> 00:47:16,470
what we now call mass extinction
events, and they're.

709
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:22,070
All punctuated by either
volcanic activity or by

710
00:47:22,070 --> 00:47:25,760
asteroids.
Now, aren't you the smart one to

711
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,160
make that connection?
How can you not right?

712
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:34,400
Yeah, now mass extinction event.
The most famous one to most is

713
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,080
this one on the left, this red
line here, which is to be

714
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:43,600
referred to as the the
Cretaceous torsion of the KT

715
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,720
boundary.
This is where all the dinosaurs

716
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:51,240
disappeared.
Not slowly in geological terms,

717
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,020
overnight.
And what the geological record

718
00:47:55,020 --> 00:47:58,340
tells us, it wasn't just the
land, plants and animals that

719
00:47:58,340 --> 00:47:59,980
died.
All sea life died as well.

720
00:48:01,460 --> 00:48:05,660
This was a worldwide
catastrophic extinction event.

721
00:48:05,660 --> 00:48:10,940
And what what we will see on one
of the following graphs is all

722
00:48:10,940 --> 00:48:13,820
of these mass extinction events,
and they talk about four or

723
00:48:13,820 --> 00:48:15,020
five.
But as we look, we can see

724
00:48:15,020 --> 00:48:21,740
123-4567, at least eight mass
extinction events, all with the

725
00:48:21,740 --> 00:48:25,050
same causation.
Now, mind you, if it doesn't

726
00:48:25,050 --> 00:48:29,450
have a large asteroid crater
accompanying the volcanic event,

727
00:48:29,770 --> 00:48:32,050
it probably just means we
haven't found it yet.

728
00:48:32,490 --> 00:48:35,210
Right.
And I'll show you a map of

729
00:48:35,210 --> 00:48:37,490
these.
This is this is so cool, you

730
00:48:37,490 --> 00:48:40,650
know?
I had a good friend still have a

731
00:48:40,650 --> 00:48:45,730
good friend who's a geologist
and he'll go on forever about

732
00:48:45,730 --> 00:48:51,110
rocks and he bores me to tears.
But one thing, one thing that I

733
00:48:51,110 --> 00:48:53,310
found interesting that he said
is he went.

734
00:48:53,870 --> 00:48:56,870
He said he became a
catastrophist once he visited

735
00:48:56,870 --> 00:49:02,750
the Washington Scablands.
And are you familiar with that

736
00:49:02,750 --> 00:49:03,950
area?
Oh no.

737
00:49:04,510 --> 00:49:08,510
It's it's up in, I wanna say
Northern Washington.

738
00:49:08,510 --> 00:49:10,510
I could be wrong.
I think I've heard of that this

739
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:14,070
huge erosion pattern.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

740
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:17,170
Is that when you look at it?
What you find is, is that

741
00:49:17,170 --> 00:49:20,530
there's a lot of formations that
look like whirlpools, right,

742
00:49:20,970 --> 00:49:24,770
that look like it had just had,
it was violent.

743
00:49:24,770 --> 00:49:26,250
There's no other way to describe
it.

744
00:49:26,250 --> 00:49:29,410
If you look at the landscape and
I did a bit of surveying up

745
00:49:29,410 --> 00:49:31,370
there, so I was looking at it
pretty hard.

746
00:49:32,330 --> 00:49:38,370
You can see that this was a a
massive event where a lot of

747
00:49:38,370 --> 00:49:39,770
water.
Swept over.

748
00:49:41,090 --> 00:49:44,450
Scab lands and and basically
caused.

749
00:49:44,820 --> 00:49:47,380
Massive erosion in a short
period of time.

750
00:49:47,820 --> 00:49:51,380
Well, we're going to talk a
little bit about that too, but

751
00:49:51,380 --> 00:49:53,700
the point of this, I mean, you
could make many points with

752
00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:56,140
this.
One of the things I like to

753
00:49:56,140 --> 00:50:00,180
point out, all of these mass
extinction events and scientists

754
00:50:00,180 --> 00:50:03,980
are doing their best to estimate
what percentage of life on Earth

755
00:50:03,980 --> 00:50:08,380
was destroyed.
Everyone for the mass extinction

756
00:50:08,380 --> 00:50:13,980
events, they all fall between
like 60 and 85% have all life on

757
00:50:13,980 --> 00:50:15,820
earth that died.
Right.

758
00:50:17,140 --> 00:50:20,220
My question to you is why aren't
any of them 100%?

759
00:50:22,980 --> 00:50:25,860
They can't be, right?
If you're if you're a Neo

760
00:50:25,860 --> 00:50:29,700
Darwinist, there has to be
something to continue or

761
00:50:29,700 --> 00:50:32,740
Darwinism fails, right.
Evolution fails.

762
00:50:33,220 --> 00:50:38,060
Yep, but somehow, magically,
something that killed every last

763
00:50:38,060 --> 00:50:42,650
species, dinosaurs on earth and
in the sea, somehow some little

764
00:50:42,650 --> 00:50:46,850
Marmot survived so that we could
evolve from that from scratch.

765
00:50:46,890 --> 00:50:54,810
Again, catastrophism makes human
evolution impossible, makes

766
00:50:54,810 --> 00:50:58,210
macro evolution in my view
impossible.

767
00:51:00,970 --> 00:51:07,170
Which, if you're a Darwinian,
it's a horrible thing to admit,

768
00:51:07,170 --> 00:51:11,170
because then you have to admit
intelligent design of some sort.

769
00:51:11,970 --> 00:51:14,730
Right.
Which is going to call, which is

770
00:51:14,730 --> 00:51:16,490
now, now becomes a faith
question.

771
00:51:17,810 --> 00:51:21,090
Don't want to go there?
Well, they get cancelled too,

772
00:51:21,090 --> 00:51:22,050
you know.
Right.

773
00:51:22,170 --> 00:51:26,970
Yeah, so you can see where this
is kind of leading, he nibbly

774
00:51:26,970 --> 00:51:29,250
pointed out.
And he says it's a no brainer if

775
00:51:29,250 --> 00:51:30,930
yours get struck by killer
asteroid.

776
00:51:30,930 --> 00:51:33,970
And killer asteroid, by the way,
is defined as any an asteroid

777
00:51:33,970 --> 00:51:42,400
that's about 6 to 12 miles in
diameter, so about the size of

778
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,800
Saint George I was.
Going to say that's not going

779
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:47,720
it.
Scheme of things.

780
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:50,840
That's not that long, right?
I mean, which is going 10s of

781
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,440
thousands of mph.
The kinetic energy is almost

782
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,120
incalculable, but we're going to
talk about that too, That if

783
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:02,080
such a catastrophic event were
to occur, of course it's going

784
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:06,480
to cause the tectonic plates to
shift, which is going to trigger

785
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,650
all kinds of volcanic activity,
including mega volcanoes like we

786
00:52:10,650 --> 00:52:14,930
have Yellowstone, so we
shouldn't be surprised that they

787
00:52:14,930 --> 00:52:18,130
accompany one another.
So that killer asteroids,

788
00:52:18,130 --> 00:52:21,570
volcanic events and mass
extinction events, surprise,

789
00:52:21,570 --> 00:52:27,490
surprise, coincide.
Yep, this is this is beautiful.

790
00:52:28,970 --> 00:52:32,730
So what we see is the Earth
being erased.

791
00:52:32,730 --> 00:52:37,090
Effectively, at least, I mean
really effectively 8 times that

792
00:52:37,090 --> 00:52:40,670
we know of.
The last extinction event was

793
00:52:40,670 --> 00:52:44,750
about 10,000 years ago, the end
of the Ice Age.

794
00:52:45,590 --> 00:52:48,110
The woolly mammoth, Saber
toothed tiger caveman.

795
00:52:49,550 --> 00:52:52,550
Interesting.
That around the younger, driest

796
00:52:52,550 --> 00:52:58,510
period, that's a bit above my
pay grade, probably.

797
00:52:58,510 --> 00:53:01,510
I think that's probably right,
if I recall, but I'm not.

798
00:53:01,590 --> 00:53:05,350
I'm not going to commit to that.
That wasn't part of my homework,

799
00:53:05,350 --> 00:53:06,670
sorry.
No, you're good.

800
00:53:07,470 --> 00:53:13,510
Here's a map of Earth's known
major craters.

801
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:19,390
The larger the circle, the
larger the impact.

802
00:53:20,270 --> 00:53:23,470
So the diameter of the circle
represents how big the crater

803
00:53:23,470 --> 00:53:27,190
is.
This big one is 100 kilometers

804
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:34,230
across, which is about 67 miles.
This one here, the Chicxtalube,

805
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:36,710
is the one that killed the
dinosaurs.

806
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,640
It's about 120 miles in
diameter.

807
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:46,600
We have this huge one in South
Africa, a huge one in Australia,

808
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:54,440
this huge one in Canada and all
these others which inevitably is

809
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:58,240
going to have some impact do.
You have a date on that one in

810
00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:03,080
Canada.
The color indicates when it

811
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:07,720
happened.
So chicks to Lube is gonna be

812
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,360
between 10 and 100.
The one in Canada is gonna be

813
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,720
between 100 and 400.
So it would be one of those

814
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:18,160
earlier.
Probably this one, I guess.

815
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:26,920
Probably no Siberian.
So I have a number of questions.

816
00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:31,120
OK.
Well, the first comment was

817
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:36,620
prior to roughly 20 or 30 years
ago, no one believed that the

818
00:54:36,620 --> 00:54:38,980
Earth had ever been struck by a
killer asteroid.

819
00:54:39,260 --> 00:54:42,540
We looked at the moon and it's
just peppered with craters.

820
00:54:42,940 --> 00:54:47,820
We'll look at Mars and we see
scary big craters, but we the

821
00:54:47,860 --> 00:54:52,260
Earth doesn't look like the
moon, clearly, because there is

822
00:54:52,540 --> 00:54:54,940
the Earth is alive.
There's flora, fauna, erosion

823
00:54:54,940 --> 00:54:58,180
and all that sort of stuff until
we got into space and began

824
00:54:58,180 --> 00:54:59,820
looking at the Earth from the
space shuttle.

825
00:55:01,260 --> 00:55:02,540
And you'll see some of these
photographs.

826
00:55:02,540 --> 00:55:05,810
That should make it abundantly
clear, because we thought that

827
00:55:05,810 --> 00:55:09,130
the atmosphere of the Earth was
a a a perfect Dome of

828
00:55:09,130 --> 00:55:11,210
protection.
And certainly the smaller

829
00:55:11,210 --> 00:55:13,290
asteroids burn up in the
atmosphere, but the bigger ones,

830
00:55:13,370 --> 00:55:16,010
no, they make it through and
there are bigger ones.

831
00:55:17,250 --> 00:55:21,130
So here's a trick question.
Why are all the asteroid impact

832
00:55:21,130 --> 00:55:25,090
strikes on the land?
Probably I'm I'm, I'm going to

833
00:55:25,090 --> 00:55:28,250
take a stab.
I'm I'm going to take a stab and

834
00:55:28,250 --> 00:55:31,050
you can correct me if I'm wrong
refer to you on this.

835
00:55:31,770 --> 00:55:38,170
But my thought would be is if.
Well, maybe this doesn't hold

836
00:55:38,170 --> 00:55:39,570
water, but I'm going to say it
anyway.

837
00:55:39,730 --> 00:55:43,930
Not because I sound stupid even
saying it, because when when the

838
00:55:43,930 --> 00:55:48,170
landmass was all one, there was
more landmass to hit.

839
00:55:49,650 --> 00:55:53,090
That's a pretty good guess.
Notice.

840
00:55:53,090 --> 00:55:57,090
Is there a pattern to these
asteroid strikes or do they seem

841
00:55:57,090 --> 00:55:59,170
random?
Looks like a random

842
00:55:59,170 --> 00:56:00,890
distribution.
It does.

843
00:56:01,340 --> 00:56:03,820
We don't see them in the
unpopulated areas as much

844
00:56:03,820 --> 00:56:05,660
because people haven't been
around to look at them.

845
00:56:06,100 --> 00:56:07,780
Right.
Or where there's heavy

846
00:56:07,780 --> 00:56:10,740
vegetation, we don't.
They're harder to recognize.

847
00:56:11,380 --> 00:56:13,780
But of course they're going to
be a randomized distribution on

848
00:56:13,780 --> 00:56:16,060
the surface of the Earth.
They just are.

849
00:56:16,460 --> 00:56:20,020
Right.
Which means we have at least as

850
00:56:20,020 --> 00:56:23,540
many asteroids that hit what the
oceans?

851
00:56:23,980 --> 00:56:28,650
Right.
And I have yet to see anybody

852
00:56:28,650 --> 00:56:30,490
address this in any of the
literature.

853
00:56:30,570 --> 00:56:36,330
It hasn't crossed their minds.
If we had a killer asteroid the

854
00:56:36,330 --> 00:56:39,810
size of the chicks to move
asteroid strike in the middle of

855
00:56:39,810 --> 00:56:47,370
the Pacific or the Atlantic, or
more significantly in the North

856
00:56:47,370 --> 00:56:51,130
Pole, what effect would that
have?

857
00:56:53,210 --> 00:56:55,770
So.
Worldwide flooding.

858
00:56:55,770 --> 00:56:59,050
I mean, So what?
How could that be?

859
00:56:59,730 --> 00:57:02,250
Noah's Flood's a joke.
Who can believe that?

860
00:57:02,610 --> 00:57:06,730
Well, Dastavism.
When I I brought up the Younger

861
00:57:06,730 --> 00:57:11,850
Dryas for a specific reason.
Every so often the Earth goes

862
00:57:11,850 --> 00:57:18,010
through what's called the torrid
meteor belt and we see.

863
00:57:18,010 --> 00:57:20,410
And that's why the one up in
Canada caught my eye.

864
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:28,400
About 12,500 years ago there's a
hypothesis that as we pass

865
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:32,760
through that toward meteor
stream that we took one of these

866
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:39,640
to the to the Florentine ice
shelf and that was part of the

867
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:44,600
reason for for that mass
extinction event that that took

868
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:50,840
place.
Let's consider premiera at the

869
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:56,520
the end of the Ice Age was not
was not gradual.

870
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:04,040
It was sudden to the extent that
in northern Siberia they find

871
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:09,400
the remains of woolly mammoths
perfectly preserved, as if stuck

872
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:15,640
in a freezer, standing up on all
fours, with food in their mouths

873
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,690
frozen.
I mean, just thinking about

874
00:58:21,690 --> 00:58:25,570
that, right?
So sudden, so sudden, no time to

875
00:58:25,570 --> 00:58:29,290
run, no time to hide.
They were buried, done with.

876
00:58:29,570 --> 00:58:36,690
They were buried with hyper
freezing ice.

877
00:58:37,330 --> 00:58:39,490
In fact, they're standing up,
but they're kind of crushed by

878
00:58:39,490 --> 00:58:42,450
the weight of it.
And they've been standing like

879
00:58:42,450 --> 00:58:45,370
that ever since they died 10 to
12,000 years ago.

880
00:58:48,510 --> 00:58:53,070
The meat was so fresh they were
feeding it to their dogs, their

881
00:58:53,070 --> 00:58:57,190
sled dogs.
Whoa, what would cause that to

882
00:58:57,190 --> 00:59:02,150
happen?
Now I'm going, I'm going to go

883
00:59:02,150 --> 00:59:06,230
way out on a limb and everybody
out there in podcast land,

884
00:59:06,550 --> 00:59:09,870
Prepare to laugh because Ken
Peterson thinks he has Noah's

885
00:59:09,870 --> 00:59:13,470
Flood figured out.
I love this.

886
00:59:13,510 --> 00:59:22,080
Go for it my man.
Riff which would explain first

887
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:27,080
of all the time change.
People lived longer before the

888
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,600
flood or was the length of the
day.

889
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:37,080
Changed 'cause that's very
sudden, the flood.

890
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,760
If there were these massive
quantities of water that were

891
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:45,600
locked up somewhere and then
were released, where did it go?

892
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:50,480
Why did it subside?
Right, right.

893
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,480
And I know the problem is
there's not enough water on the

894
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:57,800
earth to subside all of the
landmass, but that does not take

895
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:02,280
into account a massive worldwide
tsunami which a killer asteroid

896
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:06,440
would certainly accomplish.
I was also thinking when you

897
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:13,280
look at all the pre diluvian
civilizations, they're all near

898
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,260
the Equatorial regions.
Right.

899
01:00:15,260 --> 01:00:19,420
One in Japan, one in India, one
off the coast, one in the Gulf,

900
01:00:19,900 --> 01:00:24,460
off the coast of the Yucatan.
And they're underwater today.

901
01:00:25,460 --> 01:00:31,700
Why?
Because in the Ice Age, far more

902
01:00:31,700 --> 01:00:35,180
of the world's water was locked
up in the polar ice caps.

903
01:00:36,740 --> 01:00:41,140
We had glaciers coming down into
the 48 united the northern 48

904
01:00:41,140 --> 01:00:47,470
states, so the sea levels were
lower at one time because there

905
01:00:47,470 --> 01:00:49,910
was more water locked up in the
ice caps.

906
01:00:51,350 --> 01:00:55,350
All right, that makes sense.
Then I was reading in First

907
01:00:55,350 --> 01:01:03,510
Enoch where Noah describes the
flood, and he said there are two

908
01:01:03,630 --> 01:01:09,750
things that stuck out.
He saw the the sky falling and

909
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:12,990
swallowing.
I I wish I'd had time to look it

910
01:01:12,990 --> 01:01:17,180
up, but the sky fell and
destroyed the Earth, and he said

911
01:01:17,180 --> 01:01:21,260
the Earth became inclined during
the flood.

912
01:01:24,140 --> 01:01:28,380
If a asteroid of sufficient size
were to strike the northern

913
01:01:28,380 --> 01:01:32,380
polar region, which is not
occupied by a landmass, it's

914
01:01:32,380 --> 01:01:36,460
just a big old ice cap.
At the proper trajectory and

915
01:01:36,460 --> 01:01:41,020
speed and mass, it could shift
the Earth's rotational axis.

916
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,040
The the ignorant presumption is
that the rotational speed and

917
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,280
the rotational axis of the Earth
has never varied.

918
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,520
Right, Why would why would we
necessarily assume that

919
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:56,400
considering catastrophism?
Well, and we have modern day

920
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:00,040
precedent for that.
I remember reading an article,

921
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:04,360
gosh, I want to say 7-8 years
ago that China had built such a

922
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,160
massive dam.
Now it wasn't a lot.

923
01:02:07,510 --> 01:02:09,910
But it was enough that it threw
a little bit of a wobble.

924
01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:12,150
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Change the Earth's inertia.

925
01:02:12,190 --> 01:02:14,510
Yeah.
Yeah, and so that's that's

926
01:02:14,510 --> 01:02:16,790
entirely possible.
But, but for the sake of

927
01:02:16,790 --> 01:02:19,710
argument, let me say this.
How do you account for the

928
01:02:19,710 --> 01:02:26,510
Genesis account of the flood
when it says that basically like

929
01:02:26,510 --> 01:02:30,550
there were water was coming out
of the earth as well, right?

930
01:02:30,550 --> 01:02:31,790
Right.
Well, we know that there are

931
01:02:31,790 --> 01:02:33,550
subterranean oceans.
Right.

932
01:02:34,030 --> 01:02:36,870
And consider, we know what the
effect of a killer asteroid is.

933
01:02:37,380 --> 01:02:41,460
It's going to cause tectonic
shifts, which are going to cause

934
01:02:41,460 --> 01:02:44,060
that.
And there's that giant, there's

935
01:02:44,060 --> 01:02:48,420
a giant rift in the middle of
the Atlantic, which is a split.

936
01:02:48,780 --> 01:02:51,500
And if that were to happen
suddenly, that could be the

937
01:02:51,500 --> 01:02:54,180
case.
But I maintain, especially given

938
01:02:54,180 --> 01:02:57,780
the evidence of northern Siberia
and how those things died, that.

939
01:02:57,820 --> 01:03:01,380
So here's here's Ken Peter
putting himself out there for

940
01:03:01,380 --> 01:03:04,640
people to laugh at.
The killer asteroid of

941
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,800
sufficient size struck the North
Pole with sufficient velocity,

942
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:11,240
mass, and trajectory that it
shifted the Earth's axis.

943
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:14,040
Which would do what to the polar
ice caps it.

944
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:18,120
Caused them to melt because it
would introduce seasons.

945
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:24,240
Right, so so the sea levels
would rise, habitable lands

946
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:29,120
would increase on either side of
the equator and if it would

947
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,920
affect, it could affect the
rotational speed where suddenly

948
01:03:33,170 --> 01:03:36,970
instead of if if time was
passing more quickly from Adam

949
01:03:36,970 --> 01:03:39,730
to Noah.
A day, a day could have been an

950
01:03:39,730 --> 01:03:42,490
8 hour long day, which would
explain why you and I have to

951
01:03:42,490 --> 01:03:46,010
take naps every day because our
bodies weren't made for 24 hour

952
01:03:46,250 --> 01:03:49,170
days, they were made for eight
hour days kind of a thing.

953
01:03:49,450 --> 01:03:52,330
And who would know?
It's not like they had digital

954
01:03:52,330 --> 01:03:54,530
devices.
Right.

955
01:03:54,850 --> 01:03:56,410
You know, no.
Noah would be sitting there

956
01:03:56,410 --> 01:04:00,410
going, man, This day just seems
to drag on and on.

957
01:04:00,410 --> 01:04:04,180
I must just be getting older,
man, And no one would know

958
01:04:04,500 --> 01:04:08,500
except for the eight people in
the Ark anyway, right?

959
01:04:09,140 --> 01:04:12,900
So yeah, that's what I think
happened now, not long after I

960
01:04:12,900 --> 01:04:16,540
had thought of that, and I only
share it with other weirdos and

961
01:04:16,540 --> 01:04:20,780
people on your podcast, they did
discover a significant crater in

962
01:04:20,780 --> 01:04:24,980
northern Greenland.
Really showing, at the very

963
01:04:24,980 --> 01:04:27,540
least, precedent for such
thinking?

964
01:04:27,780 --> 01:04:32,420
Well, of course if if if
asteroid strikes on this earth

965
01:04:32,420 --> 01:04:36,300
or at a randomized distribution,
they will have hit everywhere

966
01:04:36,300 --> 01:04:37,620
eventually.
Right.

967
01:04:38,380 --> 01:04:45,300
And so and so that is a viable,
scientifically plausible and

968
01:04:46,100 --> 01:04:50,900
explanation with precedent that
would explain Noah's flood.

969
01:04:51,340 --> 01:04:54,100
And then of course the erosion
features in Washington and

970
01:04:54,100 --> 01:04:58,740
elsewhere that shows some
catastrophic deluge.

971
01:04:59,060 --> 01:05:02,540
Short term catastrophic short
term deluge.

972
01:05:03,300 --> 01:05:06,460
And and I I want to stop here
for a second and just kind of

973
01:05:06,460 --> 01:05:08,300
put a disclaimer out here too,
right.

974
01:05:08,780 --> 01:05:12,900
Because I know you well enough,
you're not saying because a lot

975
01:05:12,900 --> 01:05:17,020
of people will look at this from
like the the idea of.

976
01:05:18,070 --> 01:05:21,270
You know, God's a little bit
involved in this, right?

977
01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:24,230
That that Deist argument that he
just kind of winds up the

978
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:26,470
universe and lets it go.
You're not saying that.

979
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:30,470
You're saying that this was all
intentional, with a very real

980
01:05:31,750 --> 01:05:34,190
God behind it, Putting this
down.

981
01:05:34,190 --> 01:05:35,630
Well, see again, that's my mind
at work.

982
01:05:36,430 --> 01:05:38,350
God's not.
God's not a magician.

983
01:05:38,950 --> 01:05:42,430
Right.
God is the Supreme Scientist.

984
01:05:43,630 --> 01:05:44,990
Right, right.
Yep.

985
01:05:44,990 --> 01:05:48,460
He can do things beyond our
understanding, but we've also

986
01:05:48,460 --> 01:05:51,140
seen him do things that we do
understand how it was

987
01:05:51,140 --> 01:05:54,540
accomplished, but it was
accomplished for his purposes.

988
01:05:55,620 --> 01:05:57,860
So I'm not.
I'm not trying to explain away

989
01:05:58,220 --> 01:05:59,420
miracles.
Right.

990
01:05:59,500 --> 01:06:02,020
I'm trying to understand the
mind and purposes of God and how

991
01:06:02,020 --> 01:06:03,300
it works.
And when you look at the

992
01:06:03,300 --> 01:06:06,660
science, you start to see a
pattern, right?

993
01:06:06,820 --> 01:06:09,180
Eight mass extinction events on
this planet.

994
01:06:09,980 --> 01:06:12,940
There's a pattern.
Right, and the next mass

995
01:06:12,940 --> 01:06:14,940
extinction event has been
prophesied.

996
01:06:15,500 --> 01:06:20,180
The Earth will burn as an oven
and the all that is all the

997
01:06:20,180 --> 01:06:22,300
wicked will be burned.
A stubble.

998
01:06:23,220 --> 01:06:26,300
This blew my mind when someone
was trying to the mechanism.

999
01:06:26,540 --> 01:06:28,900
How did the chicks deliver?
Let's let I want to show a

1000
01:06:28,900 --> 01:06:34,340
couple of pictures.
This is the Behringer crater in

1001
01:06:34,340 --> 01:06:36,460
Arizona.
It's a small one.

1002
01:06:37,300 --> 01:06:39,340
See that road in the little
building on the side?

1003
01:06:39,620 --> 01:06:43,540
Yeah, it's about 7 to 8 miles
across.

1004
01:06:44,540 --> 01:06:46,780
People thought.
People thought it was a volcanic

1005
01:06:46,780 --> 01:06:50,620
event that created that.
We now know it was a small

1006
01:06:50,860 --> 01:06:54,340
meteor, right?
Which probably had a regional

1007
01:06:54,340 --> 01:06:58,060
impact and effect like possibly
described in 3rd Nephi.

1008
01:06:58,060 --> 01:07:03,300
A darkness they can feel.
This is 1 scene from space in

1009
01:07:03,300 --> 01:07:10,940
Africa, 17 kilometers or roughly
12 miles across 200 million

1010
01:07:10,940 --> 01:07:14,770
years ago.
You will also see in that graph

1011
01:07:15,210 --> 01:07:18,530
that you saw more than one
asteroid strikes in the same

1012
01:07:18,530 --> 01:07:20,970
time period.
Not uncommon.

1013
01:07:20,970 --> 01:07:24,810
When we saw that.
I forget the name of the

1014
01:07:24,810 --> 01:07:29,050
asteroid that struck Jupiter
that we actually saw with

1015
01:07:29,050 --> 01:07:31,970
Hubble, it broke up the
Shoemaker Levy asteroid.

1016
01:07:32,370 --> 01:07:34,930
It broke up into like three or
four different asteroids and

1017
01:07:34,930 --> 01:07:39,410
struck in like a chain of events
that would happen on Earth too.

1018
01:07:40,180 --> 01:07:46,420
Dude, so you'd have a
distributed disaster, but here's

1019
01:07:46,420 --> 01:07:50,740
the big one.
Is that the one off the Yucatan?

1020
01:07:51,180 --> 01:07:54,020
That's it.
Why did it take so long for us

1021
01:07:54,020 --> 01:07:58,660
to see it?
It was mostly underwater, that

1022
01:07:58,660 --> 01:08:00,460
is correct.
And it was so big and so deep,

1023
01:08:00,700 --> 01:08:05,460
densely forested, we couldn't
see it other than with LIDAR or

1024
01:08:05,460 --> 01:08:12,230
some sort of means beyond our
our visual range.

1025
01:08:12,790 --> 01:08:14,470
You know who you can thank for
that, Ken?

1026
01:08:15,870 --> 01:08:18,229
Thank you.
Thank your local surveyor.

1027
01:08:18,550 --> 01:08:20,229
That's right.
That's right.

1028
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:22,790
That's right.
That's because a lazy surveyor

1029
01:08:22,790 --> 01:08:25,229
was like, I don't want to walk
through that crap.

1030
01:08:25,550 --> 01:08:27,310
Let's see if we can come up with
something.

1031
01:08:28,069 --> 01:08:32,470
And the way they discovered it,
they were in the Cretaceous

1032
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:36,149
geological layer.
They kept finding Iridium.

1033
01:08:36,990 --> 01:08:41,050
Oh, the element of Iridium only
occurs in meteorites.

1034
01:08:41,210 --> 01:08:46,850
Right, that's not a a natural
earth element and shocked quartz

1035
01:08:47,609 --> 01:08:51,649
because of the heat and they all
found it pointing in the same

1036
01:08:51,649 --> 01:08:54,970
direction.
Now, shocked Quartz.

1037
01:08:54,970 --> 01:08:59,370
That's that's what they figure
happens when you heat up sand

1038
01:08:59,370 --> 01:09:01,210
super heated quickly.
Yeah, exactly.

1039
01:09:01,890 --> 01:09:07,069
So these, these particles
weren't pointing in any, they

1040
01:09:07,069 --> 01:09:10,870
were all pointed in the same
direction, indicating that they

1041
01:09:10,870 --> 01:09:13,470
had been shot out from the same
point.

1042
01:09:14,270 --> 01:09:16,790
So they were, you know, finding
this Iridium all around the

1043
01:09:16,790 --> 01:09:19,350
world and they're all pointing
back to the central location,

1044
01:09:20,069 --> 01:09:23,229
this chicks to Lube crater in
Yucatan.

1045
01:09:23,229 --> 01:09:26,830
And that's how they found it.
And that's how they identify the

1046
01:09:26,830 --> 01:09:30,670
ages of these craters, because
they can find the Iridium from

1047
01:09:30,670 --> 01:09:32,950
that crater in that geological
layer.

1048
01:09:34,090 --> 01:09:35,450
Say what you want about
scientists.

1049
01:09:35,490 --> 01:09:38,770
They really are ingenious.
Oh, they don't have whole

1050
01:09:38,770 --> 01:09:40,050
pictures.
None of us do.

1051
01:09:40,529 --> 01:09:42,410
But why?
I I love how hard they work and

1052
01:09:42,410 --> 01:09:44,130
how smart they are.
So this.

1053
01:09:44,850 --> 01:09:46,569
So what does a killer asteroid
look like?

1054
01:09:47,609 --> 01:09:50,010
It will leave a crater the 100
miles across.

1055
01:09:50,890 --> 01:09:54,690
And they they estimate the
asteroid itself was between 6 to

1056
01:09:54,690 --> 01:10:00,530
12 miles in diameter.
I now that what remains to be

1057
01:10:00,530 --> 01:10:02,890
answered is what is the
mechanism that killed

1058
01:10:02,890 --> 01:10:05,950
everything?
The shockwave would have been

1059
01:10:05,950 --> 01:10:09,590
enormous and killed everything
within 1000 miles.

1060
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:13,510
In fact, today they found some
of the remains in North America

1061
01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:17,670
of the Cretaceous period all
smashed up together like in this

1062
01:10:17,670 --> 01:10:21,310
big tidal event.
Whether it was, you know, an

1063
01:10:21,390 --> 01:10:24,310
Earth tidal wave or water, who
can say?

1064
01:10:24,630 --> 01:10:26,630
But one scientist said something
very interesting.

1065
01:10:27,750 --> 01:10:34,460
When a killer asteroid strikes a
landmass, it throws all of this

1066
01:10:35,900 --> 01:10:39,020
ejectors, all this material up
into the atmosphere at

1067
01:10:39,020 --> 01:10:42,820
supersonic speeds, and they can
calculate how much that ejecta

1068
01:10:42,820 --> 01:10:46,580
is.
And he calculated the amount of

1069
01:10:46,580 --> 01:10:51,500
energy that was released with
that ejecta and calculated that

1070
01:10:51,500 --> 01:10:57,380
it would superheat the Earth's
atmosphere to like 600 degrees

1071
01:10:57,380 --> 01:11:02,590
Fahrenheit.
Instantaneously, that would

1072
01:11:02,590 --> 01:11:07,190
incinerate everything on the
surface of the planet.

1073
01:11:09,030 --> 01:11:11,590
And I immediately thought of the
prophecy in the Old Testament.

1074
01:11:11,590 --> 01:11:17,790
The Earth will burn as an oven.
You know the other reason I love

1075
01:11:17,790 --> 01:11:26,030
these conversations is 'cause
sometimes we as mankind tend to

1076
01:11:26,030 --> 01:11:28,950
really like to thump our chest,
right?

1077
01:11:29,470 --> 01:11:32,110
And don't get me wrong, we do
some cool stuff.

1078
01:11:32,330 --> 01:11:35,010
Yeah.
I I'm not taking away from that.

1079
01:11:35,010 --> 01:11:36,930
I'm a fan of mankind.
I think.

1080
01:11:37,210 --> 01:11:41,170
I think there are times that
that not that God's ever shocked

1081
01:11:41,170 --> 01:11:44,170
but there's times I can imagine
him going look at that they're

1082
01:11:44,170 --> 01:11:50,650
they're they're they're about to
you know, and and forgive me for

1083
01:11:50,650 --> 01:11:53,370
getting emotional about it.
I had a child who was this way.

1084
01:11:54,010 --> 01:11:58,410
You know when when we implant
something so kids can hear for

1085
01:11:58,410 --> 01:11:59,970
the first time.
Right.

1086
01:11:59,970 --> 01:12:04,290
I I know that has to.
Not shock our father, but at

1087
01:12:04,290 --> 01:12:07,450
least have him look and go look
at look at what they can do,

1088
01:12:08,130 --> 01:12:13,090
right.
But with that, if we're not

1089
01:12:13,090 --> 01:12:16,370
careful, we thump our chest at
that and we say we have no need

1090
01:12:16,370 --> 01:12:18,210
for God.
And sometimes these

1091
01:12:18,210 --> 01:12:22,890
conversations have a way of
humbling us right, like and and

1092
01:12:22,890 --> 01:12:26,810
put us back in our place like,
you know, it's it's a fragile

1093
01:12:26,810 --> 01:12:28,850
thing.
We have created civilization.

1094
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:34,120
And all the tech, and I remember
when I first became aware that

1095
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:38,800
the Earth is routinely struck by
killer asteroids and that we

1096
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:40,600
haven't found.
We're looking for them

1097
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,320
desperately because we know it
can happen again.

1098
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:48,000
We know it will happen again.
We have seen it happened in our

1099
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:53,560
lifetimes, just little ones that
exploded in the air over the

1100
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:57,120
city in Russia, broke all the
windows and killed people just

1101
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,820
'cause it exploded in the air.
I mean, that's just a little

1102
01:12:59,820 --> 01:13:01,220
thing.
Yeah, that's just a little

1103
01:13:01,220 --> 01:13:05,380
thing.
This is my favorite crater.

1104
01:13:06,940 --> 01:13:10,420
This is in Canada.
That thing in the bottom left

1105
01:13:10,420 --> 01:13:12,780
hand is the tail of the space
shuttle.

1106
01:13:14,220 --> 01:13:18,700
The only way they didn't realize
this crater was here until they

1107
01:13:18,700 --> 01:13:23,180
built the dam.
Oh, and the crater filled up

1108
01:13:23,180 --> 01:13:26,180
with water.
And then from space, they went,

1109
01:13:26,300 --> 01:13:29,300
oh, look, that is a big one.
Holy cow.

1110
01:13:31,900 --> 01:13:38,220
Now here's the sobering image.
So the world has been.

1111
01:13:38,220 --> 01:13:42,700
Desperately seeking these
potential.

1112
01:13:42,980 --> 01:13:45,140
What they call near Earth
Objects, potential killer

1113
01:13:45,140 --> 01:13:49,060
asteroids, and already conducted
experiments to see if they can

1114
01:13:49,060 --> 01:13:54,420
stop one or deflect one.
Because it would be the end of

1115
01:13:54,820 --> 01:13:58,810
the human race as we know it, as
we have seen in the past.

1116
01:13:59,930 --> 01:14:04,410
And that is why Elon Musk is so
desperately trying to get men on

1117
01:14:04,410 --> 01:14:08,010
Mars to double our chances of
survival if something like that

1118
01:14:08,050 --> 01:14:10,930
should happen.
I mean, he's serious.

1119
01:14:12,970 --> 01:14:15,410
So what we're looking at in.
This picture, every green dot

1120
01:14:15,410 --> 01:14:20,770
that you see is a Near Earth
Object asteroids.

1121
01:14:22,690 --> 01:14:26,210
Thus far, they've discovered
18,000 of them.

1122
01:14:27,140 --> 01:14:30,700
They estimate that's that's 95%
of them, is what they're

1123
01:14:30,700 --> 01:14:33,580
estimating.
The Earth.

1124
01:14:33,580 --> 01:14:35,460
The Earth's.
Orbit is the blue line here,

1125
01:14:35,460 --> 01:14:38,380
right?
So it's kind of a busy.

1126
01:14:38,380 --> 01:14:44,620
Place the inner solar system.
You know and and I think that.

1127
01:14:44,620 --> 01:14:49,380
Picture there illustrates just
the idea.

1128
01:14:49,380 --> 01:14:51,620
That.
There's a God makes it.

1129
01:14:51,620 --> 01:14:55,900
Very, very evident.
I have a buddy who is.

1130
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,600
He's a surveyor, but he got his
degree in physics.

1131
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:05,160
And I mean, he's just extremely,
extremely intelligent.

1132
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,840
And one day I asked, you know,
asked him, 'cause he's not

1133
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:10,520
religious at all.
I was like, do you believe in

1134
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:11,880
God?
And he's like, I kind of have

1135
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:13,760
to.
And I was like, why is that?

1136
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:18,040
And he's like, well, one day I
got to drinking and I thought

1137
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:18,960
I'd go.
Ahead and run the.

1138
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:23,200
Statistic Probability of what?
The champ that the earth should

1139
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:23,760
be hit.
By.

1140
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:27,190
One of these these objects.
You know, when he started doing

1141
01:15:27,190 --> 01:15:30,030
the math, he's like, it's
nothing short of miraculous.

1142
01:15:31,030 --> 01:15:35,350
Because the, excuse me, the
science of statistical

1143
01:15:35,350 --> 01:15:38,630
probability tells you that we
should be pebbled with these

1144
01:15:38,630 --> 01:15:41,790
things all the time and not just
little ones.

1145
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:46,190
Yeah, we we should not be here,
right?

1146
01:15:46,510 --> 01:15:49,870
I mean, I mean, let's take into
account abiogenesis.

1147
01:15:50,590 --> 01:15:56,470
How did life, How did complex?
How did R NADNA reproducing

1148
01:15:56,470 --> 01:16:02,350
RNADNA assemble itself?
There is no amount of geological

1149
01:16:02,350 --> 01:16:05,470
time in which that could happen,
right?

1150
01:16:06,030 --> 01:16:09,990
Statistical.
Probability is another like 30

1151
01:16:09,990 --> 01:16:14,430
zeros which which is?
Statistically speaking, a

1152
01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:18,790
statistical impossibility that
life should self assemble on

1153
01:16:18,790 --> 01:16:23,470
this magical terrarium floating
in space, and that it we should

1154
01:16:23,470 --> 01:16:27,700
have experienced dozens upon
dozens of mass extinction

1155
01:16:27,700 --> 01:16:29,820
events.
And yet, here we are in our

1156
01:16:29,820 --> 01:16:37,260
shirtsleeves, right?
No, no.

1157
01:16:40,140 --> 01:16:45,740
So here's this graph of the mass
extinction events and the

1158
01:16:45,740 --> 01:16:49,140
estimated percentages of life
that perished.

1159
01:16:49,660 --> 01:16:52,220
Notice none of them are 100%
right?

1160
01:16:52,740 --> 01:16:57,480
Because they can't be, or else
we have to admit the.

1161
01:16:57,480 --> 01:17:00,040
Existence of this of
intelligence, the higher

1162
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:03,600
intelligence.
So Eric scows.

1163
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,720
Again, as we shall see, of the
life forms that live or have

1164
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:10,240
lived on the Earth, there are
many kinds whose unrelated

1165
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:14,760
ancestry can only be traced to
origins not of this Earth.

1166
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,840
Their ancestors have come from
different planetary systems

1167
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:20,680
throughout the Galaxy.
He goes on.

1168
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,040
Before modern life could be
brought to the earth, the

1169
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:26,840
scriptures so did life on earth
come from other?

1170
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:33,040
Planets within our solar system
clearly not right before modern

1171
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:34,280
life could be.
Brought to the earth, the

1172
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:37,240
scriptures tell us that all
remnants of living preparatory

1173
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,600
life had to be removed from the
physical globe.

1174
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:42,960
Of course this would have
included any hominids or near

1175
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:45,480
human like animals then living
on the earth.

1176
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:54,080
Now the world and the earth.
Are not synonymous.

1177
01:17:54,830 --> 01:17:59,230
The world of Adam has nothing to
do with the world of the

1178
01:17:59,230 --> 01:18:04,830
dinosaurs directly.
Yes, dinosaur remains fuel our

1179
01:18:04,830 --> 01:18:07,030
automobiles and that sort of
stuff, right?

1180
01:18:07,030 --> 01:18:11,230
Which I guess part of the grand
scheme of things, but we're not

1181
01:18:12,230 --> 01:18:19,350
directly related right now.
Creations that do not fill the

1182
01:18:19,350 --> 01:18:25,370
measure of their creation are
destroyed gratefully for us, the

1183
01:18:25,370 --> 01:18:29,290
Restore.
Gospel tells us we most some of

1184
01:18:29,290 --> 01:18:34,570
us are feeling the measure of
our creation to be exalted.

1185
01:18:34,930 --> 01:18:38,090
Resurrected us and the world,
and we'll talk more about that

1186
01:18:38,130 --> 01:18:40,370
and where that happens and all
that sort of thing.

1187
01:18:42,450 --> 01:18:45,530
The question that has to.
Be asked why did God create

1188
01:18:45,530 --> 01:18:48,050
these previous creations to
fail?

1189
01:18:50,410 --> 01:18:52,650
Would he?
I don't think so.

1190
01:18:53,740 --> 01:18:57,020
This is pure speculation, not
based on anybody else's on Eric

1191
01:18:57,020 --> 01:18:59,140
Scows and nor call up there and
Went there.

1192
01:18:59,700 --> 01:19:02,060
But we know that there are other
kingdoms of glory.

1193
01:19:02,580 --> 01:19:05,020
We know that there are other
priesthoods and orders, and

1194
01:19:05,420 --> 01:19:07,860
they're not all stupid people
sitting on their thumbs.

1195
01:19:08,860 --> 01:19:10,820
I have to believe that there are
other.

1196
01:19:10,820 --> 01:19:16,020
Creative forces out there that
are not clearly not God and that

1197
01:19:16,020 --> 01:19:22,310
this earth and we'll talk about
location and Brigham Young.

1198
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:24,110
I'll let the cat out.
Of the bag now, Brigham Young

1199
01:19:24,110 --> 01:19:27,390
said that when the Earth was
world of Adam was first formed,

1200
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:31,870
it was Nyant Kolob.
There's an Adam and Eve replaced

1201
01:19:31,870 --> 01:19:33,270
all.
This world, it was in a

1202
01:19:33,550 --> 01:19:37,430
terrestrial state.
Death had not yet entered in.

1203
01:19:37,830 --> 01:19:41,630
And this is what most people
like, Bruce Mcconkey.

1204
01:19:41,950 --> 01:19:47,350
The problem he had with other
creations dying, living and

1205
01:19:47,350 --> 01:19:50,510
dying before Adam and Eve got
here, because it was the fall of

1206
01:19:50,510 --> 01:19:52,590
Adam and Eve that brought death
into the world.

1207
01:19:53,790 --> 01:19:55,310
The problem with that
assumption?

1208
01:19:55,310 --> 01:19:58,750
Is to assume that the Earth has
always existed nianticolob.

1209
01:19:59,230 --> 01:20:03,910
Clearly it is not right.
I wonder clearly.

1210
01:20:04,270 --> 01:20:06,710
Prior to Adam and Eve, the earth
was not in A.

1211
01:20:06,710 --> 01:20:11,030
Terrestrial state.
It was in a lower state where

1212
01:20:11,030 --> 01:20:13,590
telestial creatures could be put
on here.

1213
01:20:14,230 --> 01:20:16,070
To experiment, bond, or
whatever.

1214
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:20,830
To live out their lives and to
fail so that matter unorganized

1215
01:20:20,950 --> 01:20:24,110
that had suffered a mass
extinction event could be

1216
01:20:24,110 --> 01:20:26,590
brought Yonder.
Is matter unorganized?

1217
01:20:26,950 --> 01:20:30,750
We will take these materials and
we will make an earth where on

1218
01:20:30,750 --> 01:20:33,310
these may dwell.
OK.

1219
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:34,950
Not that matter And organized,
yes.

1220
01:20:35,630 --> 01:20:37,110
Let's break this.
Down for a minute because I

1221
01:20:37,110 --> 01:20:42,730
think my head just exploded.
So when you say other forces of

1222
01:20:42,730 --> 01:20:46,370
creation that aren't gods, what
what are you referring to there?

1223
01:20:47,450 --> 01:20:49,410
Well, all the Restore Gospel
teaches.

1224
01:20:49,410 --> 01:20:52,010
US is that there are three.
Degrees of glory, right?

1225
01:20:53,050 --> 01:20:56,170
All of which surpass our
understanding.

1226
01:20:57,410 --> 01:20:59,810
So they're not idiots and
they're not technologically

1227
01:21:00,450 --> 01:21:03,930
functionless.
And we do know that the

1228
01:21:03,930 --> 01:21:08,290
terrestrial is going to be busy
ministering to the telestial.

1229
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:11,280
I mean our comprehension of
Eternal.

1230
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:15,000
Realms.
Orders and worlds is next to

1231
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,920
nothing, right?
We don't know what they're

1232
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:23,240
doing, right?
We know that it's not the holy.

1233
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:26,720
Priesthood after the order of
the Son of God, which Joseph F

1234
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:30,840
Smith said is the only order we
know anything about, right?

1235
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:33,760
The Grand We know the grand
purpose of the Order.

1236
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:35,680
Of the Son of God.
We don't know what the purposes

1237
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:38,650
are of these other orders.
And how many of these other

1238
01:21:38,650 --> 01:21:42,850
orders could there be?
OK, I see there is no space.

1239
01:21:42,850 --> 01:21:46,130
In which there is no Kingdom.
And there is no Kingdom in which

1240
01:21:46,130 --> 01:21:48,370
there is no space according to
section 88.

1241
01:21:48,970 --> 01:21:51,690
So they're doing something and.
Certainly.

1242
01:21:51,690 --> 01:21:56,370
They don't have.
They're not the only beings.

1243
01:21:56,370 --> 01:22:01,010
That are all, knowing and all.
Powerful are exalted beings,

1244
01:22:01,730 --> 01:22:04,420
right?
And that's Satan's great

1245
01:22:04,420 --> 01:22:06,540
failings despite.
His great knowledge is that he

1246
01:22:06,540 --> 01:22:12,860
does not know the future, right?
God does, OK, because.

1247
01:22:13,300 --> 01:22:19,020
Section 1 30 tells us he has.
This all celestial planets are

1248
01:22:19,020 --> 01:22:25,140
made of our German German
thummim on which all things

1249
01:22:25,140 --> 01:22:27,140
past.
Present and future are manifest.

1250
01:22:27,940 --> 01:22:30,300
This giant crystal ball the.
The one.

1251
01:22:30,380 --> 01:22:34,560
Related now, yeah.
The one eternal now, so to

1252
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:36,360
speak.
Well, exactly, But the angels

1253
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:38,040
reside on a sea of glass and
fire.

1254
01:22:38,480 --> 01:22:41,880
Right, which is Urmathemum, this
earth and its glorified and

1255
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,160
resurrected state.
We'll read this later in the

1256
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:46,160
presentation.
Will become a sea of glass and

1257
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:49,280
fire, upon which all things
past, present, future, will be

1258
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:50,880
manifest.
For those who dwell upon it.

1259
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:53,240
Things pertaining to a lower
order.

1260
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:56,720
If we want to see things
pertaining to a higher order, we

1261
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:59,200
have to go to the urmathemum
that is given to us.

1262
01:22:59,890 --> 01:23:02,370
As we enter the celestial
Kingdom upon which is ascribed

1263
01:23:02,370 --> 01:23:05,970
the new name.
OK, so that's how God.

1264
01:23:05,970 --> 01:23:09,010
Knows Satan doesn't get.
One of those, right?

1265
01:23:09,610 --> 01:23:11,410
In order to have one of those,
you have to be able to.

1266
01:23:11,410 --> 01:23:12,970
Dwell on.
Everlasting burnings and have

1267
01:23:12,970 --> 01:23:14,770
that glory.
Clearly he can't and won't,

1268
01:23:14,770 --> 01:23:19,170
never will, right?
And so that's his disadvantage

1269
01:23:19,530 --> 01:23:21,530
and why he keeps fighting
because he thinks he has a

1270
01:23:21,530 --> 01:23:22,890
chance.
But God knows the end from

1271
01:23:22,890 --> 01:23:25,090
beginning.
Satan does not, right?

1272
01:23:25,250 --> 01:23:28,090
OK, anyway, well, that was a
digression.

1273
01:23:31,270 --> 01:23:33,470
In Earth, in the beginning when
Jehovah and Michael.

1274
01:23:33,990 --> 01:23:38,110
Came down to the physical Earth.
They found a crustal surface of

1275
01:23:38,110 --> 01:23:41,510
matter, unorganized, a physical
globe that had gone through the

1276
01:23:41,510 --> 01:23:45,270
preparatory stages but was still
so chaotic and unorganized that

1277
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:50,070
it could not harbor nor sustain
modern life forms like Mars.

1278
01:23:50,950 --> 01:23:51,990
Right.
You know what would?

1279
01:23:51,990 --> 01:23:52,790
Really.
Kill me.

1280
01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:58,190
As if we dig down deep enough in
Mars, Dig up some dinosaur

1281
01:23:58,190 --> 01:24:04,080
bones.
Which is what they're trying to

1282
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:05,440
do, right?
They.

1283
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,120
They.
Already believe that Mars once

1284
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:12,560
had an atmosphere, right?
Mars once had oceans, big ones

1285
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:16,560
on its surface and water that
flowed on its surface.

1286
01:24:17,440 --> 01:24:20,160
There is the possibility that
there were ancient life forms

1287
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:23,120
there, right?
Mars, like Earth, is going

1288
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:25,760
through the preparatory stages.
OK?

1289
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,120
Is it possible that when Earth
is taken?

1290
01:24:28,660 --> 01:24:31,020
Into the celestial realm that
Mars will take its place?

1291
01:24:31,780 --> 01:24:37,700
Yeah, it's possible.
He goes on.

1292
01:24:38,140 --> 01:24:39,740
It should be pointed out that
none of Earth's.

1293
01:24:39,740 --> 01:24:42,420
Modern life forms originated
from within our present solar

1294
01:24:42,420 --> 01:24:45,060
system.
No planet or moon in our solar

1295
01:24:45,060 --> 01:24:46,580
system harbors advanced life
forms.

1296
01:24:47,260 --> 01:24:50,340
This means that the Earth's life
forms had to come from distant

1297
01:24:50,340 --> 01:24:53,020
solar systems.
Actually, he should have said

1298
01:24:53,020 --> 01:24:54,740
Distant Star.
Systems.

1299
01:24:57,550 --> 01:25:00,270
Our star is called Sol, which is
why we call it.

1300
01:25:00,270 --> 01:25:04,230
Solar anyway.
Hundreds if not thousands of

1301
01:25:04,230 --> 01:25:07,790
light years away.
These are the secret springs, or

1302
01:25:07,790 --> 01:25:10,870
the origins of modern life
forms, as Brigham Young called

1303
01:25:10,870 --> 01:25:12,150
them.
There's Brigham again,

1304
01:25:12,790 --> 01:25:16,870
speculating like crazy that life
was brought.

1305
01:25:16,870 --> 01:25:18,150
Here from other.
Worlds.

1306
01:25:19,390 --> 01:25:23,950
Which would also explain this
really conundrum deep.

1307
01:25:23,950 --> 01:25:25,870
Question.
So.

1308
01:25:27,100 --> 01:25:30,420
These prehistoric life.
Forms are clearly so different

1309
01:25:30,420 --> 01:25:33,620
from us that we didn't descend
from them, right?

1310
01:25:34,420 --> 01:25:39,300
But you cannot ignore the
similarities between all of us.

1311
01:25:40,340 --> 01:25:42,540
Even the ugly dinosaurs had.
Eyes.

1312
01:25:42,540 --> 01:25:46,420
Nose and ears and hands and feet
and teeth and the stomach,

1313
01:25:47,220 --> 01:25:51,980
right?
We're related and our DNA and

1314
01:25:51,980 --> 01:25:53,140
the DNA.
That we have.

1315
01:25:53,140 --> 01:25:55,500
Sampled from prehistoric life
forms.

1316
01:25:56,410 --> 01:26:01,490
Are similar so somehow all life.
As dissimilar as.

1317
01:26:01,490 --> 01:26:04,930
We are at some point are
related.

1318
01:26:05,850 --> 01:26:07,930
I have no answer for that.
I think it's awesome though.

1319
01:26:09,970 --> 01:26:18,090
Which brings us to hominids,
prehistoric hominids, human like

1320
01:26:18,090 --> 01:26:21,370
creatures that are not us,
right?

1321
01:26:21,690 --> 01:26:23,330
The Smithsonian You know how
many?

1322
01:26:23,330 --> 01:26:25,330
Of them we now.
Know of.

1323
01:26:26,220 --> 01:26:30,860
Think we know of 2023
Neanderthal?

1324
01:26:31,260 --> 01:26:37,380
Denisovian and 21 others that
walked on the surface of this

1325
01:26:37,380 --> 01:26:40,220
planet hundreds of thousands of
years ago.

1326
01:26:40,900 --> 01:26:44,540
So I I want to make.
This clear and I'm going to ask

1327
01:26:44,540 --> 01:26:50,180
the question because I I just
want to know if evolution is

1328
01:26:50,180 --> 01:26:56,600
really a thing.
Shouldn't we see some sort of

1329
01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:03,640
bridge species?
Yeah or correct or or like we

1330
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,800
see in all of the?
Other prehistoric life forms of

1331
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:11,240
at least the Tertiary period
woolly mammoth, Saber toothed

1332
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:14,720
tiger.
We see a variation of those

1333
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:19,520
species among us today.
Or you know, like when within

1334
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,950
the.
The, the cat category or the dog

1335
01:27:23,150 --> 01:27:27,030
category, we see hundreds and
sometimes thousands and in the

1336
01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:30,750
insects, millions of species,
variations of that one species,

1337
01:27:31,310 --> 01:27:35,870
right?
Not so with Homo sapien one.

1338
01:27:36,550 --> 01:27:39,070
That's it.
That appears suddenly.

1339
01:27:40,150 --> 01:27:42,910
I mean, now they they are.
Saying now and this is.

1340
01:27:42,910 --> 01:27:47,030
Curious, but believe it or not,
they have actually done DNA

1341
01:27:47,030 --> 01:27:50,110
analysis of Denisovian and
Neanderthal.

1342
01:27:51,030 --> 01:27:53,510
Can't get enough of the Mormon
Renegade podcast?

1343
01:27:53,670 --> 01:27:56,390
Well, good news, we're on
Patreon and there's three

1344
01:27:56,390 --> 01:27:57,910
packages that you can choose
from.

1345
01:27:58,430 --> 01:28:01,550
The first one, the Slightly
Rowdy package, allows you to

1346
01:28:01,550 --> 01:28:04,590
hear the podcast without all
those pesky commercials getting

1347
01:28:04,590 --> 01:28:06,790
in the way.
For those who want a slightly

1348
01:28:06,790 --> 01:28:09,110
more in depth experience,
there's the Stirring It Up

1349
01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:13,230
package where you can hear ad
free audio, ad free video and

1350
01:28:13,230 --> 01:28:15,910
transcripts.
Finally, for those who want to

1351
01:28:15,910 --> 01:28:19,250
go full Renegade, that package
is available too, where you can

1352
01:28:19,250 --> 01:28:23,010
get everything in the previous
two packages, plus an extra show

1353
01:28:23,010 --> 01:28:26,370
where myself and Ben Winfield
breakdown the news of the day

1354
01:28:26,370 --> 01:28:28,130
from a very Mormon point of
view.

1355
01:28:28,450 --> 01:28:32,570
You will also get exclusive
access to Renegade chat and on

1356
01:28:32,570 --> 01:28:34,770
there you'll be able to talk to
others about the show or

1357
01:28:34,770 --> 01:28:36,490
whatever topics are on your
mind.

1358
01:28:36,850 --> 01:28:40,130
Go to Patreon today and get your
exclusive content.

1359
01:28:40,290 --> 01:28:42,850
This episode of the podcast is
brought to you by Deseret

1360
01:28:42,850 --> 01:28:45,520
flag.com.
I've said this before and I

1361
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,000
really mean it.
Mormonism isn't just a religion,

1362
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:50,240
it's a culture.
As such, it has its own

1363
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:53,000
vernacular and practices, but
also its own symbols.

1364
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:55,800
And those symbols become even
more important and prominent

1365
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:57,400
when you look back into our
history.

1366
01:28:57,720 --> 01:28:59,960
Perhaps one of the most
recognizable symbols of

1367
01:28:59,960 --> 01:29:03,560
Mormonism is the Deseret flag.
This is the flag that I use as

1368
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:07,160
cover art in this podcast.
This was also used for a good

1369
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:09,520
chunk of time during the Pioneer
era in Utah.

1370
01:29:09,950 --> 01:29:12,750
Now today we have people who
want to replace the existing

1371
01:29:12,750 --> 01:29:15,750
Utah flag with some other
progressive monstrosity.

1372
01:29:15,990 --> 01:29:18,950
Well, I think it's damp past
time that we start pushing back

1373
01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:21,750
here a little bit in Utah.
Our friends at Defending Utah

1374
01:29:21,750 --> 01:29:23,590
are here to help you with that.
Now.

1375
01:29:23,590 --> 01:29:27,070
If you go to deseretflag.com,
you can now purchase your own

1376
01:29:27,070 --> 01:29:30,030
Deseret State flag.
It's time here that we start

1377
01:29:30,030 --> 01:29:33,270
making ourselves known and join
the resistance against those who

1378
01:29:33,270 --> 01:29:35,230
seek to rewrite our state's
history.

1379
01:29:35,730 --> 01:29:40,210
Go to deseretflag.com or check
out the link in this episode's

1380
01:29:40,210 --> 01:29:42,410
page Show notes and get yours
today.

1381
01:29:42,890 --> 01:29:45,690
And they are genetically so
distinct.

1382
01:29:45,730 --> 01:29:51,650
From us that we are not the same
species, We're humanoid.

1383
01:29:53,330 --> 01:29:57,690
But here's the crazy thing.
There are certain Europeans and

1384
01:29:57,690 --> 01:30:02,330
Asians that according to
scientists. 2% of their.

1385
01:30:02,330 --> 01:30:07,350
DNA is Neanderthal.
See and now.

1386
01:30:07,350 --> 01:30:10,790
Enters the thought of
preadomites.

1387
01:30:11,310 --> 01:30:14,870
Correct.
So and and the Darwinians.

1388
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:17,990
Love this because it.
Shows this continuation that oh

1389
01:30:17,990 --> 01:30:20,950
homo sapien must have coexisted
with Neanderthal and even though

1390
01:30:20,950 --> 01:30:23,990
they were different species,
magically were able to produce

1391
01:30:23,990 --> 01:30:29,390
offspring like horses and
donkeys producing mules, right?

1392
01:30:29,430 --> 01:30:34,780
Or or if.
If life was transplanted on

1393
01:30:34,780 --> 01:30:38,420
Earth from other worlds, clearly
there would be some sharing of

1394
01:30:39,900 --> 01:30:41,260
the DNA.
Here's.

1395
01:30:41,260 --> 01:30:42,420
The other cool thing to
consider?

1396
01:30:43,900 --> 01:30:50,500
Some have taken domesticated.
Dog DNA and.

1397
01:30:50,500 --> 01:30:54,180
They can estimate the time it
takes for.

1398
01:30:54,180 --> 01:30:58,380
Those genetic changes.
To occur because the dog is

1399
01:30:58,380 --> 01:31:02,380
related to the wolf and how long
ago did the dog.

1400
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:06,960
Variation separate.
From the wolf.

1401
01:31:07,440 --> 01:31:10,080
And they estimate, I think it's
a probably called about 30,000

1402
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:14,640
years, but the Darwinists are
going to say ha ha, see 30,000

1403
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:16,480
years ago, the dog split, blah
blah blah blah.

1404
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:22,880
But the what would I call
myself, the punctuated

1405
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:26,880
equilibrium guy is suggesting
that.

1406
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:31,000
That split may indeed.
Have happened 30,000 Earth years

1407
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:33,160
ago.
But not necessarily on Earth.

1408
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:35,440
OK.
All right.

1409
01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:38,040
Yeah.
See, the possibilities are

1410
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:42,720
endless in terms of.
And they people go crazy talking

1411
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:45,520
about prehistoric life and life
forms and creation, creative

1412
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:46,560
periods and all this sort of
stuff.

1413
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:52,120
I find it the most fascinating
puzzle in the world that God

1414
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:57,400
gave us millions of clues.
And every time we get a new.

1415
01:31:57,400 --> 01:31:59,160
Clue.
It completely upsets the puzzle,

1416
01:32:00,480 --> 01:32:03,030
for example.
Yes, go ahead.

1417
01:32:03,390 --> 01:32:04,630
Finish.
Finish That thought.

1418
01:32:04,990 --> 01:32:06,790
You've seen the infamous Tree of
Life.

1419
01:32:08,150 --> 01:32:10,710
A diagram showing how all life.
Forms came from.

1420
01:32:10,710 --> 01:32:15,430
One primitive life form, right?
That tree of life.

1421
01:32:15,430 --> 01:32:18,670
You know how that was put
together using the science of

1422
01:32:18,670 --> 01:32:20,990
phylogy.
Phylogy.

1423
01:32:20,990 --> 01:32:22,510
Yes.
Where they?

1424
01:32:22,510 --> 01:32:25,870
Say, see.
The human hand kind of looks

1425
01:32:25,870 --> 01:32:30,790
like the ape hand, therefore.
They're related because they

1426
01:32:30,790 --> 01:32:32,830
look the same.
That's phylogy.

1427
01:32:33,310 --> 01:32:36,670
It doesn't seem like good
science, but it's all they had,

1428
01:32:37,270 --> 01:32:38,310
right?
And the tree of life is.

1429
01:32:38,310 --> 01:32:43,430
Based on that the.
Scientists.

1430
01:32:44,910 --> 01:32:48,590
Who are most frequently, as I
understand it, jumping from the

1431
01:32:48,590 --> 01:32:52,230
Darwinian ship, are molecular
biologists.

1432
01:32:53,350 --> 01:32:55,870
Molecular biologists are.
Those who examine and.

1433
01:32:55,870 --> 01:32:59,290
Categorize DNA.
Of the different species.

1434
01:33:00,170 --> 01:33:02,570
OK if.
The.

1435
01:33:03,370 --> 01:33:05,370
Is it?
Phylogeny or phylogenetic

1436
01:33:05,650 --> 01:33:11,650
anyway, at any rate what the
molecular biologists are

1437
01:33:11,650 --> 01:33:17,650
discovering is it the related
the species as they relate

1438
01:33:19,050 --> 01:33:21,450
relative to DNA?
Have nothing to.

1439
01:33:21,450 --> 01:33:26,450
Do with phylogy.
The phylogy is a science is

1440
01:33:26,450 --> 01:33:27,970
false.
Right.

1441
01:33:28,410 --> 01:33:30,210
Utterly and completely.
False.

1442
01:33:30,370 --> 01:33:32,170
There was an article.
When this was first discovered,

1443
01:33:32,170 --> 01:33:35,010
it was called The Tree of Life
is in Tatters.

1444
01:33:36,330 --> 01:33:38,930
The Tree of Life is in tatters.
Because the molecular.

1445
01:33:38,930 --> 01:33:41,290
Biologists have completely
destroyed it.

1446
01:33:43,850 --> 01:33:45,410
I'm gonna go crazy if I don't
check this really quick.

1447
01:33:45,410 --> 01:33:49,690
So here we go.
Phylogeny.

1448
01:33:50,370 --> 01:33:52,770
I'm glad I looked that up.
Phylogeny.

1449
01:33:52,930 --> 01:33:55,410
The Tree of Life is based on
phylogeny, and it's a branch of

1450
01:33:55,410 --> 01:33:56,690
science.
It's been utterly and

1451
01:33:56,690 --> 01:34:01,280
completely.
Disproven The tree of life is in

1452
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:04,840
tatters and so as science does
as a science should do it self

1453
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:09,280
correcting blah blah blah so
before.

1454
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:14,800
Before we move to where I I want
unless we're going to cover it

1455
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:18,280
later, are are we going to get
into like?

1456
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:22,000
Pre Adamites later or no, let's
have that discussion.

1457
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:26,040
OK, let's do it now.
Because I feel like that this is

1458
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:29,390
kind of an important spot to
have this conversation.

1459
01:34:31,030 --> 01:34:35,750
So there is Neanderthal,
Denisovan, they're all running

1460
01:34:35,750 --> 01:34:38,310
around, right.
And and I'm trying to not

1461
01:34:38,310 --> 01:34:40,750
necessarily at the same time,
OK.

1462
01:34:41,430 --> 01:34:43,230
Not at the same time, one or the
other.

1463
01:34:43,230 --> 01:34:47,430
Right, because we are finding
common DNA in humans in in one

1464
01:34:47,470 --> 01:34:53,310
case, yes as well.
As as taken from that sample.

1465
01:34:54,150 --> 01:35:00,870
So Adam is placed in the garden,
the fall happens, he goes out.

1466
01:35:01,670 --> 01:35:05,950
What are the what are the trying
to be careful here?

1467
01:35:07,350 --> 01:35:08,910
What would have been the
purpose?

1468
01:35:09,590 --> 01:35:13,470
Of the pre Adamite's existence,
then this is where we need to

1469
01:35:13,470 --> 01:35:17,750
start talking about timetables.
Here Doctor Covenant says that

1470
01:35:17,750 --> 01:35:20,110
the temporal existence of the
Earth is 7000 years.

1471
01:35:20,870 --> 01:35:23,870
Ken Peterson believes that Adam
was placed on the Earth 6000

1472
01:35:23,870 --> 01:35:26,770
years ago.
Well, let me back up that the

1473
01:35:26,810 --> 01:35:31,130
Earth fell 6000 years ago.
OK, OK.

1474
01:35:32,450 --> 01:35:37,810
These Preadomites, they're.
They date to 100,000, to 300,000

1475
01:35:37,810 --> 01:35:41,770
to 400,000 years ago.
As Hugh Nibley said, they have

1476
01:35:41,770 --> 01:35:45,370
nothing to do with us directly,
OK?

1477
01:35:45,890 --> 01:35:48,570
They were long gone.
When, Adam?

1478
01:35:48,570 --> 01:35:51,690
Came here that the earth had
been erased.

1479
01:35:52,340 --> 01:35:54,020
Because, you know, with these
mass extinction events, the

1480
01:35:54,020 --> 01:35:58,300
Earth has been erased, massive
ones, at least eight times that

1481
01:35:58,300 --> 01:36:02,700
we know of, and so all remaining
all of these. 99.9.

1482
01:36:02,700 --> 01:36:07,140
Percent of species that are that
have ever existed on this planet

1483
01:36:07,140 --> 01:36:11,300
are extinct.
Those preatomites would be part

1484
01:36:11,300 --> 01:36:15,380
of that, and they would fit the
perfect description of not

1485
01:36:15,380 --> 01:36:17,180
filling the measure of their
creation.

1486
01:36:18,100 --> 01:36:20,160
OK.
But there had to have been.

1487
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:25,840
Some leftover in order for us to
have crazy DNA Correct.

1488
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:27,400
I didn't.
Know I didn't know you were.

1489
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:30,080
No, I didn't.
Know you were Neo Darwinian.

1490
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:32,600
Just you know how I explained
I'm not.

1491
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:36,000
I'm trying to kidding you.
And where, where, where, where

1492
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:40,240
the that was at all.
Homo sapiens shared 2% DNA.

1493
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:44,080
Or so they say.
OK.

1494
01:36:44,460 --> 01:36:45,740
All right, I see where you are,
right?

1495
01:36:45,740 --> 01:36:48,420
And I'm not necessarily doubting
the science, but 2%?

1496
01:36:48,420 --> 01:36:51,820
Is hardly convincing, right?
OK #1.

1497
01:36:52,540 --> 01:36:54,060
But remember how we talked
about?

1498
01:36:54,780 --> 01:37:01,140
Scientists figured that the dog
varied from the wild canine

1499
01:37:01,460 --> 01:37:03,540
30,000 years ago.
That could have happened

1500
01:37:03,540 --> 01:37:07,500
elsewhere.
OK, I'm saying that that

1501
01:37:07,540 --> 01:37:11,660
wherever Adam was brought.
From could easily have had

1502
01:37:11,860 --> 01:37:13,220
Neanderthal DNA.
In him.

1503
01:37:13,900 --> 01:37:18,540
To have passed down to a certain
to the Shemites, apparently.

1504
01:37:18,900 --> 01:37:21,460
OK, OK, I I see.
I see what you're saying now.

1505
01:37:21,460 --> 01:37:24,140
OK, that's what I was trying to
make sense of there.

1506
01:37:24,540 --> 01:37:29,500
So the the, the, the, the theory
I guess.

1507
01:37:29,500 --> 01:37:33,020
That that you're thinking is
that all those Adamites pre

1508
01:37:33,020 --> 01:37:36,860
Adamites were gone by the time
Adam shows up in the garden and

1509
01:37:36,860 --> 01:37:38,780
the Earth falls.
That that's what the timeline

1510
01:37:38,780 --> 01:37:40,060
suggests.
OK I.

1511
01:37:40,180 --> 01:37:41,860
Mean Adam.
Wow, Adam's a late.

1512
01:37:41,860 --> 01:37:44,300
Comer.
Right, Adam and his posterity

1513
01:37:44,300 --> 01:37:47,420
we're we're the new kids, right?
Right.

1514
01:37:47,780 --> 01:37:53,820
Now let me ask you this.
Question, because this has some

1515
01:37:53,820 --> 01:37:57,940
far reaching.
Implications here you.

1516
01:37:58,300 --> 01:38:02,180
You subscribe to the idea that
Adam was brought here 6000 years

1517
01:38:02,180 --> 01:38:05,220
ago.
Yeah, 6000 Earth years ago.

1518
01:38:06,460 --> 01:38:09,140
It fell 6000 years ago.
He was placed on it.

1519
01:38:09,140 --> 01:38:12,400
Before the fall.
And we don't know exactly how

1520
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:15,080
long they were in the garden
before they partook of the

1521
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:18,080
forbidden fruit.
OK, OK so I read somewhere I

1522
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:20,040
can't remember.
I read somebody had a good idea

1523
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:22,920
of how.
Long that was, I know.

1524
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:29,960
Or in the day talks about that
they would in the day thou he is

1525
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:34,800
thereof, thou shalt surely die.
Yeah, OK, all that and you know.

1526
01:38:34,840 --> 01:38:38,560
What that is explaining?
How old was Adam when he died?

1527
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:42,960
909. 100 and some change.
Yeah.

1528
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:46,080
Right.
How long is a day?

1529
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:50,480
1000 years.
Yeah, and the day thou he.

1530
01:38:50,480 --> 01:38:52,400
Just thou shalt.
Surely die and he died.

1531
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:55,360
In one Co-op day, that's what I
was reading.

1532
01:38:55,440 --> 01:38:58,720
OK, now I'm going to ask kind of
a loaded.

1533
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:02,560
Question that that is purely
speculative, right?

1534
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:06,760
And I want everyone, I want
everyone to know I'm I'm not.

1535
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:10,850
Saying this is the case I this
just has my wheels turning now

1536
01:39:10,850 --> 01:39:18,050
and I gotta ask the question so
if Adam was brought here the

1537
01:39:18,050 --> 01:39:22,690
earth fell 6000 years ago right
Start start the clock at 6000

1538
01:39:22,810 --> 01:39:27,770
from there cha chink.
Now we are finding structures,

1539
01:39:28,530 --> 01:39:33,730
megalo megaliths that are well
older than that 6000 year range,

1540
01:39:33,730 --> 01:39:35,690
like the most famous being top
keppi or what?

1541
01:39:35,690 --> 01:39:37,770
Something like that and.
Publicly tepe Yep.

1542
01:39:38,190 --> 01:39:40,750
Yeah, and and.
And we're even seeing evidence

1543
01:39:40,750 --> 01:39:44,630
of that with the Sphinx, because
the Sphinx seems to have been

1544
01:39:44,670 --> 01:39:46,390
predates the pyramids.
Yeah.

1545
01:39:46,670 --> 01:39:48,470
Predates the pyramids.
Yeah.

1546
01:39:48,950 --> 01:39:53,230
So now we start talking about
rather than either a the

1547
01:39:53,230 --> 01:39:57,870
Denisovans or any of those other
99.99% that were wiped.

1548
01:39:58,630 --> 01:40:02,150
That's that's kind of an
advanced civilization, right?

1549
01:40:03,230 --> 01:40:07,670
Well, Stone Age stuff.
Right, right but but it shows.

1550
01:40:08,180 --> 01:40:11,940
Some level of sophistication
other than what?

1551
01:40:12,020 --> 01:40:19,740
Science for a long time ascribed
to this the these beings, I

1552
01:40:19,740 --> 01:40:25,700
guess for lack of a better word,
humans tend to be have have a

1553
01:40:25,700 --> 01:40:31,420
great deal of hubris.
Yeah, because humans are capable

1554
01:40:31,420 --> 01:40:36,740
of extraordinary things, as the
current world clearly

1555
01:40:36,740 --> 01:40:39,060
demonstrates.
I mean, really miraculous things

1556
01:40:39,060 --> 01:40:44,180
that we're capable of, right?
We tend to think that we're the

1557
01:40:44,180 --> 01:40:53,060
most advanced species in the
known universe, right?

1558
01:40:53,420 --> 01:40:56,700
That's hubris or?
To think we're the only.

1559
01:40:57,420 --> 01:41:00,020
Intelligent species that have
ever walked the face of this

1560
01:41:00,020 --> 01:41:03,220
planet.
Well, yeah, and the only reason?

1561
01:41:04,190 --> 01:41:06,030
And I guess the.
Reason I went there is to show

1562
01:41:06,030 --> 01:41:11,830
that, right, this idea that it's
we're we're we focus on that

1563
01:41:11,830 --> 01:41:14,750
6000 years for good reason.
That's our parentage.

1564
01:41:14,750 --> 01:41:18,830
That's our lineage, right.
But there was stuff happening

1565
01:41:18,830 --> 01:41:20,750
outside of that for quite a
while.

1566
01:41:21,710 --> 01:41:23,670
Well, yeah, that's the whole
point there.

1567
01:41:23,990 --> 01:41:28,910
There has been some form of life
walking around on the face of

1568
01:41:28,910 --> 01:41:35,140
this planet for 500,000,000
years, if our science is

1569
01:41:35,140 --> 01:41:40,140
correct, living and dying.
On the surface of this planet

1570
01:41:41,100 --> 01:41:43,060
and within the last million
years?

1571
01:41:43,420 --> 01:41:47,220
Humanoids, right?
Yeah, And.

1572
01:41:47,220 --> 01:41:49,220
Humanoids who are apparently.
Capable of making.

1573
01:41:49,220 --> 01:41:53,300
Musical instruments of having
burial.

1574
01:41:53,300 --> 01:42:00,340
Rites and burying each other, of
creating jewelry, of being

1575
01:42:00,340 --> 01:42:02,820
agrarian.
Agrarian Society and I don't

1576
01:42:02,820 --> 01:42:05,650
know, and and and I suppose
we're surprised because it

1577
01:42:05,650 --> 01:42:07,930
shocks us out of our hubris to
think we're it right.

1578
01:42:08,650 --> 01:42:13,330
But as Hugh Nibbley points out
one of his essays, The children,

1579
01:42:13,530 --> 01:42:18,970
the the children of God and all
of these pre atomize these

1580
01:42:18,970 --> 01:42:23,170
hominids even though they may
not be Homo sapien, they are

1581
01:42:23,210 --> 01:42:27,210
humanoid, right.
Which is in the likeness.

1582
01:42:27,210 --> 01:42:30,450
Of God in some fashion or
another, right?

1583
01:42:31,370 --> 01:42:35,490
Some of these ancient texts.
Talk about Earth as being a God

1584
01:42:35,570 --> 01:42:39,410
bearing world as opposed to
what?

1585
01:42:40,250 --> 01:42:43,410
Worlds that don't bear gods,
right?

1586
01:42:43,850 --> 01:42:45,050
Right.
So that's.

1587
01:42:45,050 --> 01:42:47,810
Apparently an.
Extraordinary thing and the the

1588
01:42:47,810 --> 01:42:53,210
previous worlds which have come
and gone on this planet were not

1589
01:42:53,410 --> 01:42:56,890
God bearing worlds.
Hence they did not feel the

1590
01:42:56,890 --> 01:43:01,140
measure of their creation.
This creation the world of Adam

1591
01:43:01,660 --> 01:43:05,460
right holy wondrously.
Is fulfilling.

1592
01:43:05,460 --> 01:43:10,100
Is filling the measure of our
creation to carry on the great

1593
01:43:10,100 --> 01:43:11,580
purpose.
Of God, which is to bring to

1594
01:43:11,580 --> 01:43:15,460
pass the immortality and the
eternal life of man, to

1595
01:43:15,500 --> 01:43:18,820
propagate his speech.
To propagate the.

1596
01:43:19,020 --> 01:43:20,980
To propagate the plan.
Yep.

1597
01:43:21,980 --> 01:43:23,340
Awesome.
All right.

1598
01:43:23,340 --> 01:43:25,300
Yeah, that was it.
I just wanted to cover that now

1599
01:43:25,300 --> 01:43:26,300
that we've blown.
Everybody.

1600
01:43:26,340 --> 01:43:29,100
So yeah, we we shouldn't be
surprised if they're hominids

1601
01:43:29,420 --> 01:43:31,220
and they had brains equal size
to us.

1602
01:43:31,220 --> 01:43:32,700
They had some level of
intelligence, right?

1603
01:43:33,580 --> 01:43:36,820
But clearly not the.
Level of intelligence that would

1604
01:43:36,820 --> 01:43:39,020
allow them to become exalted?
Yeah.

1605
01:43:39,460 --> 01:43:42,620
Yep.
And like, and we shouldn't be

1606
01:43:42,620 --> 01:43:47,620
surprised that the the, the
levels of intelligence, the

1607
01:43:47,620 --> 01:43:52,740
degrees of intelligence should
vary all across the spectrum.

1608
01:43:53,380 --> 01:43:59,180
I mean, we have intelligences
that inhabit a ladybug or a

1609
01:43:59,180 --> 01:44:04,980
worm, you know, or a rose,
Everything that is alive.

1610
01:44:05,140 --> 01:44:10,980
Is organized matter, meaning
that it has been infused with

1611
01:44:10,980 --> 01:44:15,220
life, intelligence, and spirit
matter, and so and those

1612
01:44:15,220 --> 01:44:16,460
degrees.
Of intelligence.

1613
01:44:16,460 --> 01:44:19,260
All vary and all feel the
measure of their creation, which

1614
01:44:19,260 --> 01:44:22,020
is why the every all of those
things will be resurrected as

1615
01:44:22,020 --> 01:44:25,060
well.
Wow, it's expansive.

1616
01:44:26,220 --> 01:44:32,510
It's in my and it just gives
birth to so many other

1617
01:44:32,510 --> 01:44:34,430
questions.
Absolutely.

1618
01:44:35,670 --> 01:44:39,910
All right, so now we're on to
where Brigham Young, when Earth

1619
01:44:39,910 --> 01:44:43,150
was framed and brought into
existence and man was placed

1620
01:44:43,150 --> 01:44:45,750
upon it.
Notice how he says framed like

1621
01:44:45,830 --> 01:44:47,670
framing a building, right?
It was.

1622
01:44:47,710 --> 01:44:50,190
It was.
It was near the throne of our

1623
01:44:50,190 --> 01:44:54,110
Father in Heaven, which that's
where Kolob is and when man.

1624
01:44:54,110 --> 01:44:57,900
Fell the Earth fell into space
and took up its abode in this

1625
01:44:57,900 --> 01:45:02,340
planetary system, and the Sun
became our light now.

1626
01:45:05,260 --> 01:45:08,660
This is where everybody's tends
to jump ship, because this is

1627
01:45:08,660 --> 01:45:13,100
just crazy talk.
God can't transport a planet.

1628
01:45:14,700 --> 01:45:17,460
Kind of defies.
Defies the name of God, though.

1629
01:45:17,460 --> 01:45:19,780
Right.
I mean, like, right What God?

1630
01:45:19,980 --> 01:45:24,540
What can or can't God do, right?
He goes on.

1631
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:28,760
Brigham Young explained that
this is precisely why the direct

1632
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:31,320
consequence of Adam's
transgression is called the

1633
01:45:31,320 --> 01:45:34,480
fall, when man's sand of the
earth was hurled.

1634
01:45:35,080 --> 01:45:40,240
This is quoting him now millions
of miles away from its first

1635
01:45:40,240 --> 01:45:44,200
position, and that is why it was
called the fall.

1636
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:50,320
What expansive?
Thinking How could God?

1637
01:45:50,440 --> 01:45:57,910
Possibly transport a planet,
even the speed of light millions

1638
01:45:57,910 --> 01:46:03,750
of miles.
Well, I'm I'm letting this.

1639
01:46:03,750 --> 01:46:07,350
Cat out of the bag.
If Kolov was nigh into the

1640
01:46:07,350 --> 01:46:13,070
galactic core, that's 27
thousand 28,000 light years from

1641
01:46:13,070 --> 01:46:17,670
where we currently are for the
Earth to traverse.

1642
01:46:17,670 --> 01:46:22,630
That distance, even at the speed
of light would take 27,000

1643
01:46:22,630 --> 01:46:26,090
years, right?
But that's that's.

1644
01:46:26,290 --> 01:46:30,250
Horribly inefficient.
Right, but if you if if we start

1645
01:46:30,250 --> 01:46:32,490
applying.
Maybe some other things like

1646
01:46:34,330 --> 01:46:39,970
Einstein, Rosenberg, Bridge.
Those sorts of things, which.

1647
01:46:40,370 --> 01:46:42,410
Now, where would you get such an
idea?

1648
01:46:44,650 --> 01:46:46,290
That's just crazy.
Talk I, I.

1649
01:46:46,490 --> 01:46:48,930
I watch a lot of scientific I
don't know.

1650
01:46:49,330 --> 01:46:52,370
I I just again, I just read,
read things.

1651
01:46:52,930 --> 01:46:56,690
And it sticks sometimes.
But there there was something

1652
01:46:56,690 --> 01:47:01,890
that that Einstein came up with
where where given the right

1653
01:47:01,890 --> 01:47:06,570
conditions, space could kind of
fold in on itself, right?

1654
01:47:06,890 --> 01:47:11,410
And if that's the case, then the
distance gets significantly less

1655
01:47:12,970 --> 01:47:15,730
completely.
Speculating, let me just say

1656
01:47:15,770 --> 01:47:17,210
I'm.
Completely speculating.

1657
01:47:17,770 --> 01:47:19,930
I'm reading out of Joseph Smith
history.

1658
01:47:20,650 --> 01:47:24,940
This is where I got the idea.
Here's Joseph Smith again being

1659
01:47:24,940 --> 01:47:27,420
150 years ahead or 100 years
ahead of his time.

1660
01:47:28,860 --> 01:47:30,740
The Angel Moroni had been
talking to him.

1661
01:47:30,740 --> 01:47:37,300
Right verse 43.
And after this communication, I

1662
01:47:37,300 --> 01:47:41,260
saw the light in the room begin
to gather immediately around the

1663
01:47:41,260 --> 01:47:43,420
person of him who had been
speaking to me.

1664
01:47:44,180 --> 01:47:48,020
And it continued to do so until
the room was again left dark,

1665
01:47:48,700 --> 01:47:54,650
except just around him now.
Understand this is a a a

1666
01:47:55,010 --> 01:47:58,650
teenager describing something
happening with.

1667
01:47:58,650 --> 01:48:01,770
Light that he could not possibly
ever have witnessed.

1668
01:48:02,530 --> 01:48:06,930
He has seen candlelight,
daylight, moonlight, Starlight,

1669
01:48:07,210 --> 01:48:11,050
and lightning.
And he's seeing.

1670
01:48:11,050 --> 01:48:15,850
This light which is gathering,
focusing around him everything.

1671
01:48:15,850 --> 01:48:21,610
Else is dark except right around
Moroni, and I love how succinct

1672
01:48:21,610 --> 01:48:24,670
he is.
And how matter of fact it is,

1673
01:48:25,550 --> 01:48:28,070
and he doesn't riff on it, he
just this is what happened.

1674
01:48:28,670 --> 01:48:32,470
Then instantly I saw, as it were
a conduit.

1675
01:48:33,270 --> 01:48:40,270
What do we call that conduit?
A pipe, a tunnel, a conduit open

1676
01:48:40,270 --> 01:48:45,070
right up into heaven.
So not only did he see the

1677
01:48:45,070 --> 01:48:46,830
conduit, he saw the other side
of it.

1678
01:48:48,030 --> 01:48:50,350
OK, so he he is seeing kind of
that.

1679
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:53,440
For lack of a better term, I'm
sure there's a way cooler name

1680
01:48:53,440 --> 01:48:55,640
for it.
Let's and let's go on, he says.

1681
01:48:56,280 --> 01:48:59,760
That's right.
And he Moroni ascended in this

1682
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:04,040
tunnel, till he entirely
disappeared, and the room was

1683
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:06,560
left as it had been before this
heavenly light had made its

1684
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:10,960
appearance.
There's this, there's this book

1685
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:13,320
that's been out called Mormon
Doctrine in the Apocrypha.

1686
01:49:14,210 --> 01:49:16,850
Yeah, I've heard of it.
I know the guy who wrote.

1687
01:49:16,850 --> 01:49:23,210
It I guess he's just an absolute
stud of an individual and I.

1688
01:49:23,250 --> 01:49:26,130
This is unplanned for, but I
want, oh, nuts.

1689
01:49:26,730 --> 01:49:30,810
I'll just describe it.
The section on pillar, light,

1690
01:49:30,850 --> 01:49:33,770
pillar of light stream, it's
called pillar of fire.

1691
01:49:33,970 --> 01:49:35,530
It's called a lot of different
things.

1692
01:49:35,530 --> 01:49:38,010
Yeah, yeah.
Now now I'm making connections.

1693
01:49:38,010 --> 01:49:41,170
Since you said that the the
pillar of light that comes.

1694
01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:47,120
That Joseph sees God the Father
and Jesus standing in it's

1695
01:49:47,120 --> 01:49:49,640
consistent.
These extra canonical

1696
01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:52,360
descriptions take that concept
even further.

1697
01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:55,960
My favorite is the one that's.
In the Dead Sea.

1698
01:49:55,960 --> 01:50:03,320
Scrolls where it describes the
Pillar of Light Bus Station, the

1699
01:50:03,320 --> 01:50:05,680
Grand Central Station.
Of the pillar of lights in

1700
01:50:05,680 --> 01:50:10,080
heaven, where these beings of
light are continually coming and

1701
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:17,240
going through these portals as
they accomplish their work which

1702
01:50:17,240 --> 01:50:19,800
would make.
Make perfect sense with that?

1703
01:50:19,800 --> 01:50:22,840
Whole My house is a House of
order thing, right?

1704
01:50:23,320 --> 01:50:26,480
You're you know, I'm sure God
just does things Willy nilly,

1705
01:50:26,720 --> 01:50:29,160
right?
Wow.

1706
01:50:30,120 --> 01:50:32,080
So.
Yes, God has an order.

1707
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:38,950
Yes, God has a system.
Yes, beings can travel untold

1708
01:50:38,950 --> 01:50:43,030
distances in an instant, just
like walking through a door,

1709
01:50:44,190 --> 01:50:47,230
because they are so much more
advanced than we can possibly

1710
01:50:47,230 --> 01:50:49,510
imagine.
So.

1711
01:50:50,030 --> 01:50:52,670
So if a.
Wormhole is the best way to go

1712
01:50:52,670 --> 01:50:55,470
30, 1000 light years from Earth
to God.

1713
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:59,590
Why wouldn't it be the best
without any danger or anything

1714
01:50:59,590 --> 01:51:04,070
happening to a no?
No getting wind blown or smashed

1715
01:51:04,070 --> 01:51:06,820
to atoms, you know, God has it
all figured out.

1716
01:51:07,140 --> 01:51:09,500
But that could never be true for
a planet.

1717
01:51:09,500 --> 01:51:13,260
It's too big, right?
Right.

1718
01:51:13,780 --> 01:51:15,380
God doesn't have enough power to
make.

1719
01:51:15,380 --> 01:51:17,620
A big he can make a little
wormhole, but not big.

1720
01:51:20,980 --> 01:51:24,860
Anyway, that seems pretty Joseph
Smith and that didn't realize

1721
01:51:24,860 --> 01:51:27,100
what he was doing in that one
verse was describing.

1722
01:51:28,500 --> 01:51:30,220
How could he possibly know that
that?

1723
01:51:30,220 --> 01:51:36,030
Would converge with dozens of.
Ancient, extra canonical texts

1724
01:51:36,030 --> 01:51:38,110
describing exactly the same
thing.

1725
01:51:38,510 --> 01:51:39,350
What?
What?

1726
01:51:39,350 --> 01:51:44,750
Let's not stop there.
Not not only does he.

1727
01:51:44,750 --> 01:51:48,470
Nail it in the past.
But he nails it in the future

1728
01:51:48,630 --> 01:51:52,670
when Einstein starts proposing
these things and actually put

1729
01:51:52,670 --> 01:51:55,510
numbers to it and say no, no,
you could totally bend the

1730
01:51:55,510 --> 01:51:58,510
fabric of space given the right
conditions, right?

1731
01:51:58,710 --> 01:52:02,110
So he's nailing it in the past
right?

1732
01:52:02,110 --> 01:52:04,040
Saying.
OK, we, you know, there's this

1733
01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:06,720
evidence over here that he would
not have had access to those

1734
01:52:06,720 --> 01:52:10,320
records at that time and then
he's nailing it in the future.

1735
01:52:13,640 --> 01:52:17,680
Well, that's just I I have a
whole presentation on on how the

1736
01:52:17,680 --> 01:52:20,680
teachings of Joseph Smith have
been validated by today's

1737
01:52:20,680 --> 01:52:24,800
science, and that's one of them.
All right, I've got.

1738
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:28,720
To read this one to you, just
because it's so amazing to me,

1739
01:52:28,720 --> 01:52:31,120
it's one of my favorites, all
right.

1740
01:52:32,520 --> 01:52:36,040
Page 142.
I knew I was going to forget

1741
01:52:36,040 --> 01:52:38,880
some things that are you're
good, you're good.

1742
01:52:40,440 --> 01:52:42,440
It's a lot.
It's huge and it's all your

1743
01:52:42,440 --> 01:52:43,680
fault.
I know.

1744
01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:45,040
Made me do it.
I know.

1745
01:52:46,480 --> 01:52:48,160
I know that's only.
My bad.

1746
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:57,080
So I'm reading now.
Page 147 of my book.

1747
01:52:57,440 --> 01:53:02,140
This is from the Dead Sea
Scrolls, page 473.

1748
01:53:02,140 --> 01:53:04,940
You're talking about that book
that was wrote by that just stud

1749
01:53:04,940 --> 01:53:06,780
of an.
Individual named Ken Peterson.

1750
01:53:07,340 --> 01:53:10,300
The That guy.
That guy's crazy.

1751
01:53:11,020 --> 01:53:12,580
That's the one.
He's crazy.

1752
01:53:12,580 --> 01:53:14,900
He's a crazy.
It's awesome.

1753
01:53:16,740 --> 01:53:20,580
All right, praise.
God exalt him the glory and the

1754
01:53:20,580 --> 01:53:25,420
Tabernacle of the God of
knowledge, the cherubim, fall.

1755
01:53:25,420 --> 01:53:29,220
Before him and bless him, the
Chairman Cherubims aren't

1756
01:53:29,660 --> 01:53:32,360
humans.
You have human features, but

1757
01:53:32,360 --> 01:53:36,000
apparently they have wings and
they're exalted beings.

1758
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:39,160
That's another thought, that
there are exalted beings that

1759
01:53:39,160 --> 01:53:45,200
aren't us, that the plan of
salvation is a cooperative

1760
01:53:45,200 --> 01:53:53,480
effort and Seraphim.
All this stuff the Cherubim

1761
01:53:53,480 --> 01:53:55,890
Fall.
Before him and bless him as they

1762
01:53:55,890 --> 01:53:59,490
arise, the quiet voice of God is
heard, In fact, Joseph Smith

1763
01:53:59,490 --> 01:54:02,250
talking about the variety of
life forms in eternity,

1764
01:54:04,370 --> 01:54:09,730
thousands, 10s of thousands of
life forms that have greater

1765
01:54:09,730 --> 01:54:11,810
variety than anything we have
here on earth.

1766
01:54:12,570 --> 01:54:18,530
I can't wait.
Followed by a tumult of joyous

1767
01:54:18,530 --> 01:54:21,130
praise.
As the cherubim unfold their

1768
01:54:21,130 --> 01:54:24,570
wings, God's quiet voice is
heard again.

1769
01:54:25,140 --> 01:54:28,740
The cherubim blessed the image
of the chariot throne that

1770
01:54:28,740 --> 01:54:32,820
appears above the firmament.
Then they joyously acclaimed the

1771
01:54:32,820 --> 01:54:36,460
splendor of the luminous
firmament that spreads beneath

1772
01:54:36,500 --> 01:54:40,660
his glorious seat.
As the wheel beings advance,

1773
01:54:41,620 --> 01:54:46,380
Holy angels come and go.
Between his chariot Thrones,

1774
01:54:46,380 --> 01:54:51,020
Glorious wheels appears
something like an utterly holy

1775
01:54:51,140 --> 01:54:54,810
spiritual fire.
All around are what appeared to

1776
01:54:54,810 --> 01:54:58,690
be streams of fire resembling
electrum.

1777
01:54:59,250 --> 01:55:03,570
What's that?
A word for lightning bolt and

1778
01:55:03,570 --> 01:55:07,330
shining handiwork comprising
wondrous colors embroidered

1779
01:55:07,330 --> 01:55:11,570
together, pure and glorious.
Could you imagine a person from

1780
01:55:11,570 --> 01:55:15,530
the 1st century BC trying to
describe this technology doing a

1781
01:55:15,530 --> 01:55:18,970
pretty good job though?
Wondrous colors embroidered.

1782
01:55:18,970 --> 01:55:22,700
Together, pure and glorious, the
spirits of the living God like

1783
01:55:22,700 --> 01:55:27,620
beings move to and fro,
perpetually following the glory

1784
01:55:27,620 --> 01:55:30,860
of the wondrous Chariots.
A quiet voice of blessing

1785
01:55:30,860 --> 01:55:33,580
accompanies the tumult of their
movement, and they bless the

1786
01:55:33,580 --> 01:55:36,100
Holy one each time they retrace
their steps.

1787
01:55:37,140 --> 01:55:40,940
And it goes on but these streams
of.

1788
01:55:40,940 --> 01:55:43,740
Fire and these holy angels
beings coming and going.

1789
01:55:44,340 --> 01:55:48,460
Yeah, accomplishing the works.
Of the Almighty.

1790
01:55:49,980 --> 01:55:51,580
And there's lots, lots of stuff
like that.

1791
01:55:52,660 --> 01:55:55,100
Oh look.
It's.

1792
01:55:55,620 --> 01:55:58,140
By that guy.
So the things.

1793
01:55:58,260 --> 01:56:00,700
That.
The things that Brigham Young

1794
01:56:00,700 --> 01:56:04,540
thought about the earth falling,
that it was when Adam was placed

1795
01:56:04,540 --> 01:56:06,500
upon it, it was near the
terrestrial.

1796
01:56:07,060 --> 01:56:09,540
Now the false assumption that
even the Kolob theorem and I

1797
01:56:09,540 --> 01:56:13,500
think Earth in the beginning
makes is the earth always was

1798
01:56:13,500 --> 01:56:15,500
there.
Clearly it wasn't.

1799
01:56:16,310 --> 01:56:17,630
Things were living and dying on
it.

1800
01:56:17,630 --> 01:56:20,990
It wasn't in a terrestrial
estate, right?

1801
01:56:21,470 --> 01:56:23,230
Right.
Clearly it was a telestial.

1802
01:56:23,230 --> 01:56:25,310
Sphere being used for other
things that God says.

1803
01:56:25,790 --> 01:56:28,110
Now it's your turn.
Come on over here.

1804
01:56:28,110 --> 01:56:31,030
Let's put Adam and his posterity
on it to fill the measure of its

1805
01:56:31,030 --> 01:56:33,830
creation.
The earth itself rejoices that

1806
01:56:33,830 --> 01:56:37,550
it will finally be exalted.
I was just going to say it's

1807
01:56:37,590 --> 01:56:38,630
it's the.
Same.

1808
01:56:39,150 --> 01:56:45,910
Even that that testifies of this
great plan of progression.

1809
01:56:46,230 --> 01:56:48,990
Right.
Even the earth itself goes

1810
01:56:48,990 --> 01:56:53,190
through a progression till it
fills the meth.

1811
01:56:53,190 --> 01:56:56,790
The doctrine and covenant states
that explicitly and we will read

1812
01:56:56,790 --> 01:56:59,310
about that.
So in the book of Adam and Eve

1813
01:56:59,790 --> 01:57:04,870
it says Adam is speaking.
Inasmuch as while he was in the

1814
01:57:04,870 --> 01:57:09,390
guard and heard the voice of God
and the sound he made in the

1815
01:57:09,390 --> 01:57:15,270
guard, God made and feared him,
God Adam never saw the brilliant

1816
01:57:15,270 --> 01:57:18,870
light of the sun, neither did
the flaming heap thereof touch

1817
01:57:18,870 --> 01:57:21,670
his body.
So while he was in the garden

1818
01:57:21,670 --> 01:57:24,110
before he fell, he.
Never saw the sun because he

1819
01:57:24,110 --> 01:57:26,910
wasn't in the same.
He wasn't in Orbital.

1820
01:57:27,110 --> 01:57:30,030
This neighborhood, right?
That used that particular.

1821
01:57:30,030 --> 01:57:34,030
Light.
OK, all right, the same book,

1822
01:57:34,430 --> 01:57:38,390
Adam says.
And this darkness, O Lord, where

1823
01:57:38,390 --> 01:57:40,710
was it?
Eric came upon us.

1824
01:57:41,260 --> 01:57:44,460
So when this is after the fall
and he's like, what is this

1825
01:57:44,460 --> 01:57:46,860
darkness stuff?
I mean, this book is so

1826
01:57:46,860 --> 01:57:48,140
interesting.
It describes what it feels.

1827
01:57:48,140 --> 01:57:51,300
Like to descend from a
terrestrial being to a?

1828
01:57:51,300 --> 01:57:53,660
Telestial being.
And Adam hates it.

1829
01:57:54,980 --> 01:57:58,660
He hurts.
He's hungry, He's confused.

1830
01:57:58,820 --> 01:58:01,420
He can't see God anymore.
He can't hear God anymore,

1831
01:58:02,180 --> 01:58:04,970
right?
Where did it come upon us?

1832
01:58:05,130 --> 01:58:07,010
It is such.
That we cannot see each other

1833
01:58:07,250 --> 01:58:11,010
for so long as we were in the
garden, we neither saw nor even

1834
01:58:11,010 --> 01:58:15,970
knew what darkness is.
Eternal day, everlasting

1835
01:58:15,970 --> 01:58:19,370
burnings, right?
There is no darkness in the

1836
01:58:19,370 --> 01:58:22,250
Kingdom of God.
Then when God, who is merciful

1837
01:58:22,250 --> 01:58:25,810
and full of pity, heard Adam's
voice, he said unto him, O Adam,

1838
01:58:26,610 --> 01:58:30,450
so long as the good Angel was
obedient to me, a bright light

1839
01:58:30,450 --> 01:58:34,770
rested on him and on his hosts.
But when he transgressed my

1840
01:58:34,770 --> 01:58:38,370
commandment, I deprived him of
that bright nature.

1841
01:58:38,530 --> 01:58:42,930
And he became dark.
So it mentions that terrestrial

1842
01:58:42,930 --> 01:58:45,090
bodies are actually luminous,
right?

1843
01:58:45,730 --> 01:58:49,130
They meant light and when?
He was in the heavens, in the

1844
01:58:49,130 --> 01:58:52,930
realms of light.
He knew not of darkness, but He

1845
01:58:52,930 --> 01:58:55,890
transgressed, and I made him
fall from heaven upon the earth,

1846
01:58:56,290 --> 01:58:58,290
and it was this darkness that
came upon him.

1847
01:58:58,770 --> 01:59:01,050
So when he was on the Earth
before he fell, there was no

1848
01:59:01,050 --> 01:59:03,760
darkness, right?
Yeah, it wasn't orbiting the

1849
01:59:03,760 --> 01:59:07,080
sun.
Now where did all of?

1850
01:59:07,080 --> 01:59:11,600
This happen there are location
clues from Earth in the

1851
01:59:11,600 --> 01:59:14,360
beginning surrounding.
The Throne of God is an enormous

1852
01:59:14,360 --> 01:59:17,240
collection of very great stars,
according to Abraham.

1853
01:59:18,160 --> 01:59:21,120
So the greatest stars in our
neighborhood are going to be

1854
01:59:22,720 --> 01:59:25,880
where God is.
Abraham also recorded that

1855
01:59:25,880 --> 01:59:29,240
somewhere in the middle of this
great collection of stars was a

1856
01:59:29,240 --> 01:59:32,930
group of 15 governing stars, the
most eminent of which is called

1857
01:59:32,930 --> 01:59:36,690
Kolob.
Kolob is nearest unto the throne

1858
01:59:36,690 --> 01:59:37,970
of God.
The throne of God is the

1859
01:59:37,970 --> 01:59:39,970
Celestial.
Kolob is.

1860
01:59:40,210 --> 01:59:41,810
People confuse Kolob with the
celestial.

1861
01:59:41,810 --> 01:59:44,770
It's not it's nearest, it's
nearest, right?

1862
01:59:45,010 --> 01:59:47,170
And the other thing you do is.
Important That where God dwells,

1863
01:59:47,330 --> 01:59:50,970
there's no time.
Right on Kolob.

1864
01:59:50,970 --> 01:59:54,250
There's time, yeah.
No, it's the mass is much more

1865
01:59:54,250 --> 01:59:56,210
slowly.
Than on Earth, right?

1866
01:59:56,890 --> 01:59:58,570
But they are related
mathematically.

1867
01:59:58,570 --> 02:00:02,060
At least.
In the Joseph Smith's Egyptian.

1868
02:00:02,060 --> 02:00:07,780
Alphabet and grammar it States
and then I go page 15 or 18 of

1869
02:00:07,780 --> 02:00:11,060
it 23 It's in the Joseph Smith
the papers.

1870
02:00:11,060 --> 02:00:14,060
Project You can read this
directly.

1871
02:00:14,780 --> 02:00:18,300
God has established laws which
regulate the emission of His

1872
02:00:18,300 --> 02:00:21,940
glory.
What do we know about His glory?

1873
02:00:22,260 --> 02:00:28,020
His fullness, no unclean thing
can enter into the Kingdom of

1874
02:00:28,020 --> 02:00:29,420
God.
Why?

1875
02:00:30,740 --> 02:00:32,820
Because they would perish.
Yeah, they perish, right?

1876
02:00:32,820 --> 02:00:36,540
So he's put.
He's put laws to govern that, so

1877
02:00:36,540 --> 02:00:41,220
that he doesn't burn everything
up by his very presence, which

1878
02:00:41,220 --> 02:00:44,980
is why he doesn't appear to us,
which is why when he and Christ

1879
02:00:44,980 --> 02:00:49,500
appeared to Joseph Smith, it was
by vision and even then Joseph

1880
02:00:49,500 --> 02:00:51,180
Smith.
Had to be pure enough and worthy

1881
02:00:51,180 --> 02:00:55,820
enough to withstand the glory of
the vision, the literal presence

1882
02:00:55,820 --> 02:00:59,780
would have destroyed the earth,
which is why we have the Holy.

1883
02:00:59,780 --> 02:01:03,180
Ghost so you can communicate
with us without.

1884
02:01:03,180 --> 02:01:08,140
Condemning us or destroying us
until we achieve sufficient

1885
02:01:08,140 --> 02:01:12,260
purity that we can have the 2nd
Comforter, right?

1886
02:01:13,500 --> 02:01:17,660
Section 67.
So God has established laws.

1887
02:01:17,660 --> 02:01:20,820
Which regulate the emission of
his glory so that the right

1888
02:01:20,820 --> 02:01:26,300
degree of light cheers the face
of millions of planets.

1889
02:01:28,230 --> 02:01:30,110
Let this be.
This and this is quoting now

1890
02:01:30,110 --> 02:01:33,310
what it says.
Let this be the Center for

1891
02:01:33,310 --> 02:01:37,510
light, and let there be bounds
that it may not pass.

1892
02:01:38,070 --> 02:01:42,910
He that said, a cloud round
about the heavens and the light

1893
02:01:42,910 --> 02:01:45,750
of the grand governing of 15
fixed stars center there.

1894
02:01:46,510 --> 02:01:51,310
There it is drawn.
Or contained by the heavenly

1895
02:01:51,310 --> 02:01:55,710
bodies, according to the decrees
that God hath set as the bounds

1896
02:01:55,710 --> 02:01:59,560
of the ocean, that it should not
Passover as a flood.

1897
02:02:00,360 --> 02:02:04,320
So God has set the bounds of
light lest it Passover and

1898
02:02:04,320 --> 02:02:10,160
consume the planets some.
Spheres cannot endure the full

1899
02:02:10,160 --> 02:02:13,360
glory of God.
That gives us some clues.

1900
02:02:14,120 --> 02:02:19,640
Eric Scowl says Note that this
protected cloud is roundabout or

1901
02:02:19,640 --> 02:02:24,600
it encircles roughly circular.
It is also dense enough to block

1902
02:02:24,600 --> 02:02:28,800
the light from a vast assemblage
of powerful stars, so that life

1903
02:02:28,800 --> 02:02:32,240
on our Earth and other Earth's
is not threatened with

1904
02:02:32,480 --> 02:02:35,760
extinction.
That's a pretty good clue.

1905
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:40,520
Yeah, the Prophet.
Joseph Smith told was told that

1906
02:02:40,520 --> 02:02:46,560
the Father's planetary home is
in the midst of his cosmic

1907
02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:50,920
dominions, in a central location
where all things are governed by

1908
02:02:50,920 --> 02:02:54,500
the power of God, who sitteth
upon His throne, who is in the

1909
02:02:54,700 --> 02:02:59,940
bosom of eternity, who is in the
midst or the middle of all

1910
02:02:59,940 --> 02:03:04,420
things.
OK, now let let me let.

1911
02:03:04,420 --> 02:03:06,340
Me speculate.
And again, I'm willing to be

1912
02:03:06,340 --> 02:03:08,580
wrong when you stop.
Why?

1913
02:03:08,580 --> 02:03:10,100
We're friends.
Yeah, that's right.

1914
02:03:10,740 --> 02:03:14,860
When, when, when you start?
Talking about a cloud that

1915
02:03:15,060 --> 02:03:19,540
absorbs that light, the first
thing I think of is the Great

1916
02:03:19,540 --> 02:03:23,120
Rift or the the the Milky Way.
Right.

1917
02:03:23,120 --> 02:03:26,880
That you can see up in the
heavens, right, 'cause it does

1918
02:03:26,880 --> 02:03:31,480
resemble a cloud a little bit.
Now, if we were to take what was

1919
02:03:31,480 --> 02:03:34,720
just said there, if I'm
understanding correctly, that

1920
02:03:34,720 --> 02:03:39,760
means the presence there.
You know, his throne sits in the

1921
02:03:39,760 --> 02:03:41,520
midst of that.
Am I wrong?

1922
02:03:41,520 --> 02:03:45,360
Did I did I get that right?
Let's find out.

1923
02:03:46,240 --> 02:03:50,890
Michael Rhodes, Egyptologist,
The word Kolob, most likely.

1924
02:03:50,890 --> 02:03:54,810
Derives from the Common Semitic
root QLB, which has the basic

1925
02:03:54,810 --> 02:03:57,130
meaning of heart, center or
middle.

1926
02:03:57,850 --> 02:04:00,770
In fact, the Arabic form of this
word called the forms part of

1927
02:04:00,770 --> 02:04:03,170
the Arabic names of several of
the brightest stars in the sky.

1928
02:04:04,090 --> 02:04:09,290
Getting closer, J Reuben Clark.
But this fact seems reasonably

1929
02:04:09,290 --> 02:04:14,330
clear now.
He was in a an authority in the

1930
02:04:14,330 --> 02:04:16,370
Church.
During the end, he was a

1931
02:04:16,370 --> 02:04:21,170
scientist, I think from EU I'm
not wrong there, but they were

1932
02:04:21,170 --> 02:04:25,690
starting to understand what a
Galaxy actually was.

1933
02:04:26,090 --> 02:04:30,330
He was alive for that discovery
because for the longest time we

1934
02:04:30,330 --> 02:04:32,690
had no idea that we reside.
We didn't know what galaxies

1935
02:04:32,690 --> 02:04:35,250
were.
We didn't know if we even were

1936
02:04:35,250 --> 02:04:37,090
in one, right?
Right.

1937
02:04:38,050 --> 02:04:39,210
But they were starting to
discover.

1938
02:04:39,210 --> 02:04:43,130
That in his lifetime and he's
and he says that the hub or

1939
02:04:43,130 --> 02:04:45,850
center of a Galaxy.
Exists and performs a broad

1940
02:04:45,850 --> 02:04:49,130
principle.
The functions of COLOB and the

1941
02:04:49,130 --> 02:04:51,970
Colob's existence and function
were known about 4000 years

1942
02:04:51,970 --> 02:04:55,210
before our day.
Now here's the fact.

1943
02:04:56,770 --> 02:05:01,330
This is an annotated
illustration map of the Milky

1944
02:05:01,330 --> 02:05:04,490
Way and what it looks like as
far as we can.

1945
02:05:04,490 --> 02:05:07,530
Tell, but because we're in it,
it's kind of hard to see it.

1946
02:05:07,850 --> 02:05:12,340
We don't have and boy, if we
could have a satellite to get be

1947
02:05:12,340 --> 02:05:15,780
that far away to see, that would
have to be about 100,000 light

1948
02:05:15,780 --> 02:05:17,500
years out.
We don't have any close to that

1949
02:05:18,060 --> 02:05:21,020
to get this picture, but here we
are.

1950
02:05:22,100 --> 02:05:26,380
There's a galactic core.
The Milky Way is approximately.

1951
02:05:26,380 --> 02:05:31,140
100,000 light years in diameter.
So this is 50,000 light years.

1952
02:05:31,140 --> 02:05:35,100
We are about 27,000 light years
from the core.

1953
02:05:36,540 --> 02:05:40,560
The greatest.
The concentration of radiated

1954
02:05:40,560 --> 02:05:45,120
energy in the Milky Way is
unquestionably at its core,

1955
02:05:45,920 --> 02:05:51,280
where the radiant energy is so.
Great, that were it not for the.

1956
02:05:51,280 --> 02:05:55,840
Intervening dust clouds.
Between it and us all life on

1957
02:05:55,840 --> 02:06:01,640
earth would be obliterated.
OK, so.

1958
02:06:01,880 --> 02:06:05,000
There's this.
Veil of dust surrounding the

1959
02:06:05,000 --> 02:06:09,750
throne of God, otherwise known
as a veil, which is literal and.

1960
02:06:10,070 --> 02:06:14,190
Extremely symbolic.
And extremely literal.

1961
02:06:14,710 --> 02:06:19,630
Were it not for the veil that
surrounds the throne of God, we

1962
02:06:19,630 --> 02:06:23,590
would perish, OK, but there is
just.

1963
02:06:23,590 --> 02:06:31,590
Enough light that it cheers the
face of millions of planets.

1964
02:06:31,990 --> 02:06:35,790
Think of this statement that was
given 200 years ago.

1965
02:06:36,670 --> 02:06:39,390
Yeah, Well, and now that's.
Lucky hey.

1966
02:06:39,870 --> 02:06:43,390
That's lucky, right?
Once.

1967
02:06:43,390 --> 02:06:45,750
Again, pretty good guesser.
Joseph Smith was.

1968
02:06:46,270 --> 02:06:49,830
Yes, he was.
Let let me let me ask you this

1969
02:06:49,830 --> 02:06:53,390
question.
'Cause now, now.

1970
02:06:53,390 --> 02:06:58,590
I'm gonna go to.
To something else if we look.

1971
02:06:59,230 --> 02:07:03,190
At.
Egypt, specifically the the

1972
02:07:03,190 --> 02:07:09,790
pyramids of.
The, the, the, the Great Pyramid

1973
02:07:09,790 --> 02:07:11,630
of.
Giza and it's 2 surrounding.

1974
02:07:12,030 --> 02:07:15,590
Yes, there's a lot of evidence
that suggests that at the time.

1975
02:07:15,590 --> 02:07:22,470
Of its of of its building that
it correlated with the stars on

1976
02:07:22,470 --> 02:07:26,190
Orion's belt.
Yeah, we also see.

1977
02:07:26,190 --> 02:07:30,390
Something very similar.
In South and Central America,

1978
02:07:30,750 --> 02:07:37,400
yes, they aligned to their
structures with heavenly bodies.

1979
02:07:37,400 --> 02:07:41,680
That astronomy was important to
them, that they related

1980
02:07:41,680 --> 02:07:45,720
astronomy to God.
Yeah, Well, and as the more we

1981
02:07:45,720 --> 02:07:48,440
go through this conversation.
The more it should fascinate

1982
02:07:48,440 --> 02:07:53,320
Mormons, right?
Given that, can we?

1983
02:07:54,360 --> 02:07:59,200
Would it be in the realm of
possibility here that that there

1984
02:07:59,200 --> 02:08:02,960
are echoes to that, that that
perhaps these ancients knew a

1985
02:08:02,960 --> 02:08:06,490
little more than we did?
And they positioned their,

1986
02:08:07,770 --> 02:08:10,170
their, their structures to
reflect.

1987
02:08:11,450 --> 02:08:14,370
This is where God dwells, or.
This is where we think he made.

1988
02:08:14,530 --> 02:08:18,290
It well, we know that ancient
peoples did, because, I mean,

1989
02:08:19,090 --> 02:08:22,890
they didn't have, they didn't
live in cities and so they could

1990
02:08:22,890 --> 02:08:25,130
see that I grew up in northern
Wyoming and the stars were

1991
02:08:25,130 --> 02:08:28,170
wondrous to me, right.
My, my kids don't understand

1992
02:08:28,170 --> 02:08:30,430
that, right?
Living in this little city, they

1993
02:08:30,430 --> 02:08:32,670
don't get to see the stars.
I mean, I'd go out there and go,

1994
02:08:32,670 --> 02:08:34,630
what in the heck is whoa, what's
that?

1995
02:08:34,630 --> 02:08:37,710
What's going on?
I mean, it inspired the Greek

1996
02:08:37,710 --> 02:08:41,070
gods for that man, right?
They named these constellations.

1997
02:08:41,590 --> 02:08:46,590
But we know that Abraham taught
astronomy, right?

1998
02:08:46,670 --> 02:08:48,510
Yep.
Right.

1999
02:08:48,910 --> 02:08:50,230
And that the.
Astronomy.

2000
02:08:50,230 --> 02:08:54,310
Was significant and that the
signs of the heavens correlate

2001
02:08:54,310 --> 02:08:58,550
with the plan of God because he
knows everything and the timing

2002
02:08:58,550 --> 02:08:59,550
of.
Everything is just right.

2003
02:08:59,950 --> 02:09:05,470
And you know, comets, asteroids,
the darkening of the sun, moon,

2004
02:09:05,470 --> 02:09:08,470
turning blood, all of that
stuff, the stars falling from

2005
02:09:08,470 --> 02:09:12,230
heaven, all that sort of stuff
is related to the plan and this

2006
02:09:12,230 --> 02:09:14,470
giant clockwork.
And I think the relationship is

2007
02:09:14,470 --> 02:09:18,350
even greater than that.
Yeah, you know, and and.

2008
02:09:18,710 --> 02:09:20,670
I'll I want to say.
This too, right?

2009
02:09:21,870 --> 02:09:26,350
And maybe it's so fascinating to
me all of this because.

2010
02:09:26,700 --> 02:09:29,820
I think if you're raised with
this knowledge so to speak, you

2011
02:09:29,980 --> 02:09:31,820
you might take it for granted,
right?

2012
02:09:33,260 --> 02:09:36,220
Because in most of Christendom.
God is not.

2013
02:09:37,060 --> 02:09:41,540
Not a a personage he is, He is
without forms, parts, or

2014
02:09:41,540 --> 02:09:42,540
passions.
Right.

2015
02:09:43,460 --> 02:09:47,700
And again and I bring.
This up a lot because it is

2016
02:09:47,700 --> 02:09:49,540
revolutionary within
Christendom.

2017
02:09:49,540 --> 02:09:52,980
So if you grew up in Mormonism,
you may not understand the

2018
02:09:52,980 --> 02:09:55,700
significance of what Joseph did
here.

2019
02:09:56,370 --> 02:10:02,690
By by being able to reveal that.
No, no, we we have proximity to

2020
02:10:02,690 --> 02:10:06,530
the divine.
We have proximity to deity.

2021
02:10:07,010 --> 02:10:08,730
We're related.
To deity, yes.

2022
02:10:09,330 --> 02:10:12,610
Not just in time and space.
But through familiar

2023
02:10:13,890 --> 02:10:17,170
relationships.
And and that's that's

2024
02:10:17,170 --> 02:10:19,090
revolutionary in all of
Christendom.

2025
02:10:20,530 --> 02:10:23,530
Maybe even all of religion,
period.

2026
02:10:24,810 --> 02:10:27,850
Well, the sacrilege.
Yeah, it is, right.

2027
02:10:28,050 --> 02:10:29,450
Yeah.
How dare you?

2028
02:10:29,690 --> 02:10:33,570
How dare you put something so
great as God, even though he's

2029
02:10:33,570 --> 02:10:35,810
still literally at the center of
the universe.

2030
02:10:37,170 --> 02:10:41,090
But but how dare you give him
proximity?

2031
02:10:42,250 --> 02:10:45,010
So yeah, and there are other.
Implications.

2032
02:10:45,450 --> 02:10:48,130
Yep.
So the Milky Way is a barred.

2033
02:10:48,130 --> 02:10:50,970
Spiral Galaxy, they call it 100
to 120,000 light years, a

2034
02:10:50,970 --> 02:10:55,380
diameter which contains between
at any given point in time 1 to

2035
02:10:55,380 --> 02:11:02,500
400 billion stars and and we now
know that every single star we

2036
02:11:02,500 --> 02:11:08,500
can see has orbiting bodies at
least three or four, so it may

2037
02:11:08,500 --> 02:11:10,420
contain at least as many.
Planets as well.

2038
02:11:10,420 --> 02:11:13,500
It most certainly does.
Now let me ask you, let let me

2039
02:11:13,500 --> 02:11:16,620
ask one other.
Question here 'cause I'm looking

2040
02:11:16,620 --> 02:11:21,420
at this picture of of our cosmic
neighborhood.

2041
02:11:21,420 --> 02:11:23,810
So to speak.
Yep, It's got an eerie

2042
02:11:23,810 --> 02:11:29,290
resemblance to how a tornado
moves or or hurricane.

2043
02:11:29,290 --> 02:11:30,810
Excuse me?
The.

2044
02:11:30,970 --> 02:11:32,690
The.
Fibonacci sequence.

2045
02:11:32,690 --> 02:11:36,170
Is that what it's called?
Yeah, that spiral.

2046
02:11:36,170 --> 02:11:39,610
Pattern that occurs in nature.
It's called the Fibonacci

2047
02:11:39,610 --> 02:11:44,450
sequence and it seems to be some
golden mathematical formula.

2048
02:11:45,290 --> 02:11:47,370
I read something and this is
going way.

2049
02:11:47,370 --> 02:11:51,650
Off to the side that they were
able to examine the cell of an

2050
02:11:51,940 --> 02:11:57,500
ancient prehistoric life form
that did not follow the

2051
02:11:57,500 --> 02:12:05,180
Fibonacci sequence.
Because all cell life forms in

2052
02:12:05,180 --> 02:12:08,380
our world are based on this
Fibonacci sequence is what it's

2053
02:12:08,380 --> 02:12:11,740
called.
But you must.

2054
02:12:11,740 --> 02:12:14,180
Apparently.
Be something related to

2055
02:12:15,700 --> 02:12:20,700
Godfather but not to the not to
the prehistoric creation.

2056
02:12:21,170 --> 02:12:22,450
There's that's how my mind
works.

2057
02:12:22,490 --> 02:12:27,650
Scary, isn't it?
When I saw this. 1st, when I

2058
02:12:27,650 --> 02:12:31,850
first saw this annotated Milky
Way Galaxy, I teared up.

2059
02:12:31,850 --> 02:12:35,890
This is the face of God.
This is what I realized.

2060
02:12:36,530 --> 02:12:38,210
You know what else is really
cool about this?

2061
02:12:38,690 --> 02:12:41,770
And this is the Kolab theorem,
the whole idea, I mean the Kolop

2062
02:12:41,770 --> 02:12:42,970
there talks about a lot of
things.

2063
02:12:43,330 --> 02:12:46,650
It's a free online text, by the
way, and it's not very long and

2064
02:12:46,650 --> 02:12:51,430
it's profound is leading up to
this whole.

2065
02:12:51,430 --> 02:12:54,550
Process of gone through that he
believes that the Kingdom of God

2066
02:12:54,550 --> 02:13:00,550
the Father is the Milky Way.
If that's true, you and I can

2067
02:13:00,550 --> 02:13:04,830
step outside during a specific
time of the year and we can see

2068
02:13:04,830 --> 02:13:09,270
cola right early.
In the direction.

2069
02:13:09,270 --> 02:13:12,390
Thereof right.
And the most interesting ancient

2070
02:13:12,390 --> 02:13:17,870
American tradition I've heard.
So during August, late July, and

2071
02:13:18,070 --> 02:13:22,080
through early September, the
orientation of the sky is that

2072
02:13:22,360 --> 02:13:25,600
you go outside after it gets
dark, between 9:00 and, say,

2073
02:13:25,600 --> 02:13:29,680
midnight, and the Milky Way is
lined up over our heads.

2074
02:13:31,280 --> 02:13:35,080
You look at Cygnus the Swan.
Which is this giant cross, the

2075
02:13:35,080 --> 02:13:38,440
bottom of which points to the
galactic core.

2076
02:13:39,400 --> 02:13:41,160
So the Milky, It follows the
Milky Way.

2077
02:13:41,520 --> 02:13:47,470
Down to the southern horizon,
and when you find the teapot, I

2078
02:13:47,470 --> 02:13:51,310
forget what it's name is.
The spout of the teapot points

2079
02:13:51,310 --> 02:13:57,430
to the galactic center
Sagittarius A as it goes down.

2080
02:13:57,550 --> 02:14:00,230
If you follow the Milky Way,
there's a part of it that spurs

2081
02:14:00,230 --> 02:14:05,190
off to the right and dead ends
the Lakota Sioux.

2082
02:14:05,710 --> 02:14:08,710
Say that if you follow the Milky
Way, I forget what they called

2083
02:14:08,710 --> 02:14:11,590
it.
It would take you to the Great

2084
02:14:11,590 --> 02:14:14,350
Spirit.
But if you took the wrong

2085
02:14:14,350 --> 02:14:17,030
passage way off to that right,
right.

2086
02:14:17,070 --> 02:14:19,350
You would, you would, you would,
it would lead you to oblivion.

2087
02:14:21,070 --> 02:14:23,550
I remember the first time I.
Had the courage to go out and

2088
02:14:23,550 --> 02:14:26,470
look and say there you are.
I mean, that's really, that's a

2089
02:14:26,470 --> 02:14:29,470
cool thing to me.
Yeah, it should, you'll say.

2090
02:14:30,030 --> 02:14:32,630
There you are.
At least there you were 27,000

2091
02:14:32,630 --> 02:14:33,910
years ago.
Kind of a thing.

2092
02:14:34,630 --> 02:14:40,950
But that's all other stuff.
So to give us some idea, in this

2093
02:14:40,950 --> 02:14:44,890
photograph, how many stars can
we see with the naked eye On a

2094
02:14:44,890 --> 02:14:49,050
good night, on a clear night, we
can see about 3000 stars.

2095
02:14:50,010 --> 02:14:53,330
All we can see.
Let's go back up here.

2096
02:14:53,330 --> 02:14:59,210
If this is the Earth and this is
5000 light years right here,

2097
02:14:59,210 --> 02:15:02,330
that circle going around, that's
all we can see.

2098
02:15:03,090 --> 02:15:07,330
That's it, you know.
Our naked eye cannot see.

2099
02:15:07,330 --> 02:15:10,010
Any of the rest of this stuff,
you know, I think it's important

2100
02:15:10,010 --> 02:15:12,250
too, that we put some of this.
Into perspective.

2101
02:15:13,180 --> 02:15:16,340
We keep throwing out the term
lightyear and I want to put this

2102
02:15:16,340 --> 02:15:19,140
in perspective to everyone.
There you go.

2103
02:15:19,620 --> 02:15:20,940
Oh, never mind.
You're going to.

2104
02:15:20,940 --> 02:15:23,700
You're so good.
It's like you went through this

2105
02:15:23,700 --> 02:15:26,060
already, so I wanted to talk
about this.

2106
02:15:26,060 --> 02:15:28,860
The vast.
I've had this conversation with

2107
02:15:28,860 --> 02:15:32,900
people who go, well, sacrilege.
Are you suggesting that God is

2108
02:15:33,220 --> 02:15:36,940
just a God of just one Galaxy?
And like, are you ignorant?

2109
02:15:37,940 --> 02:15:40,060
A Galaxy?
Can you comprehend?

2110
02:15:40,060 --> 02:15:45,580
400 billion stars?
Can you comprehend a trillion

2111
02:15:46,060 --> 02:15:48,260
planets?
Can you comprehend infinite

2112
02:15:48,380 --> 02:15:51,140
time?
Oh, he's only the God of a

2113
02:15:51,140 --> 02:15:53,980
Galaxy.
I mean, well, what do you think?

2114
02:15:53,980 --> 02:15:56,300
I mean, there's that hubris at
work again.

2115
02:15:56,860 --> 02:15:58,580
Everybody thinks they're gonna
have their own Galaxy.

2116
02:15:58,580 --> 02:16:01,100
Buddy.
You're gonna be lucky if your

2117
02:16:01,100 --> 02:16:03,780
celestial inheritance is this
Earth, right?

2118
02:16:03,780 --> 02:16:06,100
You'll be lucky anyway.
So.

2119
02:16:06,500 --> 02:16:11,850
The Galactic and even distances
between stars are so vast that

2120
02:16:11,850 --> 02:16:14,730
miles cease to make any sense,
right?

2121
02:16:15,610 --> 02:16:17,170
So they use the term.
Which can do.

2122
02:16:17,570 --> 02:16:21,250
Which is called a light year,
which is the distance light can

2123
02:16:21,250 --> 02:16:29,330
travel in a year light travels
671,000,000 mph.

2124
02:16:30,450 --> 02:16:35,250
The distance to the sun is.
93,000,000 miles It takes light

2125
02:16:35,250 --> 02:16:40,299
8 minutes to get there, so 8
light minutes.

2126
02:16:40,500 --> 02:16:47,059
Mars is 12 light minutes away,
the closest star to.

2127
02:16:47,059 --> 02:16:50,740
Us to Our star is Proxima
Centauri.

2128
02:16:51,379 --> 02:16:56,860
It takes like 4 years to get
there at 671,000,000 mph.

2129
02:16:57,700 --> 02:17:00,860
The Earth to the other.
Side of the Milky Way?

2130
02:17:02,420 --> 02:17:04,900
Not only take us, yeah, just
directly to the other side.

2131
02:17:04,900 --> 02:17:07,610
Not to the end this 52,000 light
years.

2132
02:17:08,410 --> 02:17:13,049
The other significant thing when
we look up at the nights.

2133
02:17:13,090 --> 02:17:17,490
Or when we look at this, when we
look at the eclipse, the light

2134
02:17:17,490 --> 02:17:20,010
that we're seeing is 8 minutes
old.

2135
02:17:20,490 --> 02:17:22,290
What we're seeing happened 8
minutes ago.

2136
02:17:22,809 --> 02:17:25,930
That's a cool thing.
I was just going to say we get

2137
02:17:26,049 --> 02:17:27,410
to look back.
In time.

2138
02:17:28,209 --> 02:17:30,570
Here you go again to get in.
This is awesome.

2139
02:17:32,450 --> 02:17:33,410
Yeah.
Or when we.

2140
02:17:33,410 --> 02:17:37,610
Look at the star approximate
Centauri, and assuming Jade's

2141
02:17:37,610 --> 02:17:42,010
web could resolve and show us
what's happening on that planet

2142
02:17:42,290 --> 02:17:45,209
or on that star that happened
four years ago.

2143
02:17:46,090 --> 02:17:48,090
The light that's reaching our
eye happened 4.

2144
02:17:48,090 --> 02:17:52,969
Years ago, anyway.
So this Galaxy is so vast it

2145
02:17:52,969 --> 02:17:59,730
takes light 100,000 years to go
from one side from 1:00.

2146
02:17:59,730 --> 02:18:03,770
End to the other bringing me
young.

2147
02:18:04,620 --> 02:18:10,780
Every planet in its first rude
organic state receives not the

2148
02:18:10,780 --> 02:18:15,020
glory of God upon it, but is
opaque, meaning it's not

2149
02:18:15,020 --> 02:18:16,980
luminous.
A star is luminous.

2150
02:18:18,459 --> 02:18:22,260
Only after planet has reached
full maturation and has been

2151
02:18:22,260 --> 02:18:28,180
resurrected does it shine like a
star which is.

2152
02:18:28,180 --> 02:18:32,940
Also true of us, right?
Brigham Young again.

2153
02:18:32,940 --> 02:18:37,020
This earthly ball, this little
opaque substance thrown off into

2154
02:18:37,020 --> 02:18:40,379
space is only a speck in the
great universe.

2155
02:18:40,860 --> 02:18:43,620
When it is celestialized, it
will go back into the presence

2156
02:18:43,620 --> 02:18:49,180
of God, where it was first
framed, so it will go back.

2157
02:18:49,860 --> 02:18:54,020
The call ophthalm is correct.
It will be transported again via

2158
02:18:54,020 --> 02:18:57,700
wormhole, presumably be
celestialized, and enter into

2159
02:18:58,459 --> 02:19:01,580
the celestial realm.
Eternal Day.

2160
02:19:02,410 --> 02:19:06,530
Because it'll be I I didn't
include this, Brigham Young

2161
02:19:09,809 --> 02:19:11,490
said.
Something else Very interesting.

2162
02:19:11,730 --> 02:19:17,370
This is out of the call up
there, Brigham Young.

2163
02:19:17,370 --> 02:19:21,770
Adds that the purified and
sanctified earth will be placed

2164
02:19:22,730 --> 02:19:28,490
in the cluster of celestial
kingdoms, so the.

2165
02:19:28,490 --> 02:19:34,480
Celestial Kingdom is a region in
which reside many celestialized

2166
02:19:34,520 --> 02:19:40,240
worlds.
So if this is the celestial

2167
02:19:40,240 --> 02:19:44,280
realm, this could constitute the
terrestrial realm.

2168
02:19:45,480 --> 02:19:51,360
OK, yeah, clearly where we are.
This is the Telestial realm, and

2169
02:19:51,360 --> 02:19:55,440
beyond the telestial realm is
Outer Darkness, Outer Darkness.

2170
02:19:56,720 --> 02:19:59,280
So and this is.
Fascinating.

2171
02:19:59,860 --> 02:20:04,300
The closer we are in proximity
to God, the greater the glory

2172
02:20:05,220 --> 02:20:09,460
which it would have to be in
order to withstand that purity

2173
02:20:09,460 --> 02:20:11,180
and that energy that's being
radiated.

2174
02:20:11,900 --> 02:20:14,700
And of course, people mock us
who think this.

2175
02:20:15,340 --> 02:20:18,460
Nobody could possibly live at
the center of the Galaxy.

2176
02:20:18,460 --> 02:20:21,780
There's way too much energy, and
it's like, that's exactly what

2177
02:20:21,940 --> 02:20:24,300
God says.
People can't go there.

2178
02:20:28,190 --> 02:20:30,830
Here's the Doctrine Covenants
explicitly explaining.

2179
02:20:30,830 --> 02:20:33,830
What happens to the earth?
The redemption of the soul is

2180
02:20:33,830 --> 02:20:36,750
through him that quickeneth all
things, and it reads over real

2181
02:20:36,750 --> 02:20:38,950
fast.
So I missed it first time in

2182
02:20:38,950 --> 02:20:43,030
whose bosom?
In, in the in his bosom, near

2183
02:20:43,030 --> 02:20:45,550
him.
Near his heart it is decreed

2184
02:20:45,550 --> 02:20:52,310
that the poor and the meek of
the earth shall inherit it the

2185
02:20:52,350 --> 02:20:57,670
earth so the Beatitudes Sermon
on the Mount.

2186
02:20:58,120 --> 02:20:59,520
The meek shall inherit the
earth.

2187
02:20:59,520 --> 02:21:03,840
Oh, that's nice.
No, it's literal right that the

2188
02:21:03,840 --> 02:21:06,000
Exalted.
Will live.

2189
02:21:06,080 --> 02:21:08,720
On the earth, well, the
celestialized will live on the

2190
02:21:08,720 --> 02:21:15,120
earth, in its celestialized
state, in his bosom, in his

2191
02:21:15,120 --> 02:21:18,920
home.
Therefore it the earth must

2192
02:21:18,920 --> 02:21:22,760
needs be sanctified from all
unrighteousness, that it may be

2193
02:21:22,760 --> 02:21:24,680
prepared for the celestial
glory.

2194
02:21:25,780 --> 02:21:27,980
What's beautiful about this?
Everything that he's saying

2195
02:21:28,500 --> 02:21:30,900
applying to the earth applies to
us as well, right?

2196
02:21:31,140 --> 02:21:34,980
It's the same process.
For after it the earth hath

2197
02:21:34,980 --> 02:21:38,420
filled the measure of its
creation, it shall be crowned

2198
02:21:38,420 --> 02:21:40,700
with glory.
Even the presence of God the

2199
02:21:40,700 --> 02:21:45,860
Father, that bodies who are of
the celestial Kingdom may

2200
02:21:45,860 --> 02:21:49,500
possess it the earth, forever
and ever.

2201
02:21:50,220 --> 02:21:54,260
For for this intent was it made
and created and for this intent.

2202
02:21:54,730 --> 02:21:59,970
They us are sanctified and we
just we gloss over that.

2203
02:22:00,210 --> 02:22:02,170
Not getting what it's really
saying.

2204
02:22:02,530 --> 02:22:06,130
That's amazing stuff.
Which brings us to section 130.

2205
02:22:07,210 --> 02:22:12,330
The Angels do not reside on a
planet like this Earth, but they

2206
02:22:12,330 --> 02:22:16,770
reside in the presence of God in
the celestial realm on A.

2207
02:22:16,770 --> 02:22:20,050
Globe.
Like a sea of glass and fire, a

2208
02:22:20,050 --> 02:22:23,600
glorified sanctified world.
Where all things for their glory

2209
02:22:23,600 --> 02:22:27,040
are manifest, past, present, and
future, and are continually

2210
02:22:27,040 --> 02:22:31,080
before the Lord.
The place where God resides is a

2211
02:22:31,120 --> 02:22:34,520
great Urim and Thummum.
The sea of glass and fire is the

2212
02:22:34,520 --> 02:22:37,800
Urim and Thum.
This earth in its sanctified and

2213
02:22:37,800 --> 02:22:42,200
immortal state will be made like
unto crystal, and will be a Urim

2214
02:22:42,200 --> 02:22:45,880
and Thummum to the inhabitants
to dwell thereon, whereby all

2215
02:22:45,880 --> 02:22:50,280
things pertaining to an inferior
Kingdom, or all kingdoms of a

2216
02:22:50,280 --> 02:22:52,990
lower order.
It will be manifest to those who

2217
02:22:52,990 --> 02:22:57,030
dwell on it, and this earth will
be Christ's.

2218
02:22:57,030 --> 02:22:59,430
Then it goes on and talks about
things pertaining to a higher

2219
02:22:59,430 --> 02:23:02,510
order will be manifest on the
white stone given to each of us

2220
02:23:02,870 --> 02:23:06,510
who enter, each of us, each of
these, all those other people

2221
02:23:06,510 --> 02:23:09,750
who enter the celestial realm,
right?

2222
02:23:10,870 --> 02:23:12,670
And I was here.
We talked about this earlier.

2223
02:23:12,670 --> 02:23:15,470
Moses one.
Of the things we skip over, and

2224
02:23:15,470 --> 02:23:19,510
as one earth shall pass away,
and the heavens thereof.

2225
02:23:20,250 --> 02:23:23,810
So shall another come, another
will take its place.

2226
02:23:24,210 --> 02:23:26,890
OK.
And there is no end.

2227
02:23:27,050 --> 02:23:29,410
To my works.
Neither to my words.

2228
02:23:30,330 --> 02:23:32,730
For behold, this is my work and
my glory, to bring capacity more

2229
02:23:32,730 --> 02:23:33,650
tiles to our.
Life of man.

2230
02:23:33,650 --> 02:23:37,690
He just keeps doing it, as do
we, Joseph Fielding Smith,

2231
02:23:37,810 --> 02:23:40,530
Junior.
God our Father, is the Creator

2232
02:23:40,530 --> 02:23:45,050
of life, and He placed life on
this earth in varied forms and

2233
02:23:45,050 --> 02:23:48,540
also on other worlds.
He will continue his work on

2234
02:23:48,540 --> 02:23:52,900
this earth and upon other
planets or worlds, because Earth

2235
02:23:52,900 --> 02:23:56,820
and planet are not synonymous.
Which will take the place which

2236
02:23:56,820 --> 02:24:00,460
will take the place of this
Earth when it has been exalted

2237
02:24:00,700 --> 02:24:02,500
and gone on to its celestial
glory?

2238
02:24:02,500 --> 02:24:07,460
Same idea, so he tell.
Right there.

2239
02:24:07,460 --> 02:24:13,020
And again, if you don't, slow
down and think about this where

2240
02:24:13,020 --> 02:24:18,060
it says, another shall come.
And take its place right

2241
02:24:18,060 --> 02:24:18,940
another.
Planet.

2242
02:24:19,540 --> 02:24:24,340
It's that kind of that next man
up sort of deal.

2243
02:24:24,460 --> 02:24:27,860
Right like this, this is
created.

2244
02:24:27,940 --> 02:24:32,340
It filled the measure of its
creation, take it back to the

2245
02:24:32,340 --> 02:24:36,340
Father, and then something else
takes its place to start the

2246
02:24:36,340 --> 02:24:40,380
process all over again.
Everything we have viewed thus

2247
02:24:40,380 --> 02:24:42,900
far.
Is only a matter that we can

2248
02:24:42,900 --> 02:24:46,040
see.
Scientists now estimate that

2249
02:24:46,040 --> 02:24:50,600
dark matter constitutes 63% of
the total matter in the

2250
02:24:50,600 --> 02:24:53,000
universe.
So imagine everything we've seen

2251
02:24:53,000 --> 02:24:56,680
the Milky Way, right?
In this case, we're only seeing

2252
02:24:56,760 --> 02:25:01,960
less than 40% of it, right?
And that dark energy plus dark

2253
02:25:01,960 --> 02:25:02,840
matter.
Constitute.

2254
02:25:03,080 --> 02:25:07,560
Over 95% of the total content of
the universe explain the dark

2255
02:25:07,560 --> 02:25:11,080
matter and I.
Think I have later, but let me

2256
02:25:11,520 --> 02:25:14,200
find out what.
No, no, no when they observe.

2257
02:25:14,540 --> 02:25:18,500
Galaxies, other galaxies, they
can observe the rotational

2258
02:25:18,500 --> 02:25:21,620
speed, the speed at which it is
rotating.

2259
02:25:22,540 --> 02:25:26,420
Given the laws of physics that
we understand, and given the

2260
02:25:26,420 --> 02:25:32,460
amount of mass that we can see,
is it centrifugal force or

2261
02:25:32,460 --> 02:25:34,500
centripetal, which is one that's
pulling out?

2262
02:25:34,820 --> 02:25:38,620
They're going so fast that they
should be flying off into space

2263
02:25:39,460 --> 02:25:41,740
rather than orbiting the center
of the Galaxy.

2264
02:25:43,360 --> 02:25:45,840
Which tells them there has to be
more.

2265
02:25:45,840 --> 02:25:50,600
Mass present than what we can
see, so the gravitational forces

2266
02:25:50,600 --> 02:25:55,320
would keep everything in tow.
It's rotating faster than it

2267
02:25:55,320 --> 02:25:57,840
should be, given the.
Mass that they can see.

2268
02:25:58,480 --> 02:26:00,040
Gotcha.
So they do the math.

2269
02:26:00,360 --> 02:26:01,560
So they.
They.

2270
02:26:01,560 --> 02:26:08,120
Can't they've every tool at
their disposal they're applying

2271
02:26:08,120 --> 02:26:11,880
trying to figure out where this
mass, this gravity is coming

2272
02:26:11,880 --> 02:26:15,600
from.
They can't see it, but they can

2273
02:26:15,600 --> 02:26:18,160
measure its gravitational force.
OK.

2274
02:26:19,040 --> 02:26:21,520
And they so and so they know it.
Has mass.

2275
02:26:21,600 --> 02:26:25,400
So it has to be matter, but it's
matter that exists beyond the

2276
02:26:26,160 --> 02:26:30,000
the realm of our electromagnetic
spectrum that we can detect

2277
02:26:30,640 --> 02:26:33,320
that's crazy.
Unfortunately, they call.

2278
02:26:33,320 --> 02:26:34,880
It dark matter.
It's.

2279
02:26:35,360 --> 02:26:38,600
Probably not dark at all.
We just can't see it, right?

2280
02:26:38,600 --> 02:26:40,200
And what And what is the human
assumption?

2281
02:26:40,200 --> 02:26:41,960
Well, it's just some cloudy.
Stuff.

2282
02:26:43,500 --> 02:26:46,220
Not believing that it might have
order as well.

2283
02:26:46,580 --> 02:26:51,940
As the world of our matter right
now, stick with me, Joseph

2284
02:26:51,940 --> 02:26:54,860
Smith.
There is no such thing as

2285
02:26:54,860 --> 02:27:00,220
immaterial matter.
All spirit is matter, but it is

2286
02:27:00,220 --> 02:27:05,380
more fine or pure, and can only
be discerned by pure eyes.

2287
02:27:05,700 --> 02:27:08,780
We cannot see it, but our bodies
are pure.

2288
02:27:08,940 --> 02:27:10,540
But when our bodies are
purified?

2289
02:27:10,840 --> 02:27:12,800
We shall see that it is all
matter.

2290
02:27:12,800 --> 02:27:15,960
He's Speaking of the Spirit,
Moses.

2291
02:27:16,200 --> 02:27:18,040
I am God.
I made the.

2292
02:27:18,040 --> 02:27:22,160
World and Men before they were
in the Flesh.

2293
02:27:24,000 --> 02:27:26,720
Doctrine Covenants 29 for By the
power of.

2294
02:27:26,720 --> 02:27:30,640
My spirit created I them.
Yeah, all things, both spiritual

2295
02:27:31,160 --> 02:27:34,800
and temporal.
First, spiritual, secondly,

2296
02:27:34,800 --> 02:27:37,560
temporal, which is the beginning
of my work.

2297
02:27:37,560 --> 02:27:39,700
And again.
First, temporal and secondly

2298
02:27:39,700 --> 02:27:41,260
spiritual, which is the last of
my work.

2299
02:27:41,700 --> 02:27:44,300
What he's talking about is a
dual creation, right?

2300
02:27:44,300 --> 02:27:46,260
We know that about us.
We existed.

2301
02:27:46,260 --> 02:27:49,420
As.
Spirits before we were infused

2302
02:27:49,420 --> 02:27:53,420
with physical matter, our spirit
matter was infused with.

2303
02:27:54,180 --> 02:27:59,100
So if it's a dual creation, the
spirit realm should be at least

2304
02:27:59,100 --> 02:28:01,940
as massive as the physical
realm, right?

2305
02:28:02,540 --> 02:28:05,580
Perhaps even 63.
Percent.

2306
02:28:07,720 --> 02:28:10,360
Yeah.
Yep.

2307
02:28:11,280 --> 02:28:14,200
Come on, I.
Was somebody was describing on

2308
02:28:14,200 --> 02:28:15,560
some documentary?
What?

2309
02:28:15,560 --> 02:28:18,480
Dark matter was it would be like
somebody walking into the room

2310
02:28:18,480 --> 02:28:20,480
and passing right through your
body, and you would have no

2311
02:28:20,480 --> 02:28:23,440
idea.
I was like, he just described a

2312
02:28:23,440 --> 02:28:27,480
spirit.
Yeah, I think, OK.

2313
02:28:27,480 --> 02:28:28,800
This is Ken Peterson.
We've got a limb.

2314
02:28:28,800 --> 02:28:31,440
Again, I think dark matter is
the spirit world.

2315
02:28:32,000 --> 02:28:36,840
I think you're right.
I think you're right what we're

2316
02:28:36,840 --> 02:28:39,400
looking at.
Here is a rendering.

2317
02:28:40,280 --> 02:28:46,000
Is a a theoretical map of the
dark matter in our Galaxy.

2318
02:28:46,840 --> 02:28:49,960
And they can measure, they can
measure gravity, right?

2319
02:28:50,280 --> 02:28:52,200
And notice that the dark matter
and the.

2320
02:28:52,280 --> 02:28:54,800
The denser the.
Color the denser the dark matter

2321
02:28:54,960 --> 02:28:58,800
so it's not evenly dispersed.
Why should it be?

2322
02:28:59,000 --> 02:29:00,600
The world of physical matter
isn't.

2323
02:29:00,880 --> 02:29:04,240
It's in globs in clumps and
planets, of course.

2324
02:29:05,030 --> 02:29:06,950
Our earth.
You know what our spiritual home

2325
02:29:06,950 --> 02:29:07,830
was?
The spirits.

2326
02:29:08,310 --> 02:29:11,030
Probably.
The spiritual earth, right?

2327
02:29:12,030 --> 02:29:14,310
Well, I don't know.
I was gonna say.

2328
02:29:14,310 --> 02:29:19,230
Looking at that picture there.
It bears an eerie resemblance to

2329
02:29:19,230 --> 02:29:22,230
that same.
Spiral pattern that we see, You

2330
02:29:22,470 --> 02:29:23,550
think?
Yeah.

2331
02:29:25,230 --> 02:29:26,510
And what?
What is really cool?

2332
02:29:27,670 --> 02:29:31,190
Let's see, is that the most
dense concentrations?

2333
02:29:31,880 --> 02:29:36,760
Correlate with these apparent
spaces or gaps right in our

2334
02:29:36,760 --> 02:29:40,680
Galaxy meaning and.
Remember I talked about the

2335
02:29:40,680 --> 02:29:43,320
pistol?
Sophia describing these spaces

2336
02:29:43,720 --> 02:29:46,480
right and it talks about the
region.

2337
02:29:46,480 --> 02:29:48,920
Of the 12.
Invisibles It's right there

2338
02:29:50,240 --> 02:29:54,640
where there's nothing right.
This is the realm of spirits.

2339
02:29:55,720 --> 02:29:58,440
Could this be the home of
premortal spirits as they're?

2340
02:29:58,440 --> 02:30:01,890
Awaiting their turn.
To occupy physical bodies and

2341
02:30:01,890 --> 02:30:04,250
worlds.
Oh, OK, yeah.

2342
02:30:04,250 --> 02:30:06,530
Now that'll be a little.
Crazier.

2343
02:30:08,050 --> 02:30:10,050
There are different types of
galaxies.

2344
02:30:10,250 --> 02:30:11,890
Spiral galaxies are pretty
common.

2345
02:30:12,210 --> 02:30:14,770
There are less common called
ring galaxies which have a dense

2346
02:30:14,770 --> 02:30:17,650
center and an outer ring and
nothing in the middle.

2347
02:30:18,570 --> 02:30:24,690
I I submit to you that is an
early a baby Galaxy where the

2348
02:30:24,690 --> 02:30:26,970
Prost.
What the gods are doing is is

2349
02:30:27,010 --> 02:30:29,570
fusing spirits with physical
matter.

2350
02:30:30,390 --> 02:30:33,150
And when it's all done, you will
see a Galaxy that looks like.

2351
02:30:33,590 --> 02:30:36,750
Lenticular galaxies where
everything is diffused.

2352
02:30:37,430 --> 02:30:40,110
OK, the spiritual realm of these
empty lanes, no.

2353
02:30:40,110 --> 02:30:41,830
Longer exist.
Right.

2354
02:30:41,830 --> 02:30:45,190
The young and the youngest ones,
you'll see nothing but spiritual

2355
02:30:45,190 --> 02:30:46,790
lanes.
These those are those ring

2356
02:30:46,790 --> 02:30:50,670
galaxies.
Anyway, I'm saying way too much.

2357
02:30:51,870 --> 02:30:55,510
You're not saying the most
important image ever taken in

2358
02:30:55,510 --> 02:30:59,910
history is a claim to be the
Hubble Deep Field.

2359
02:31:01,190 --> 02:31:03,950
In 1995, shortly after the
Hubble was repaired.

2360
02:31:04,430 --> 02:31:06,270
Scientists did something
extraordinary.

2361
02:31:06,590 --> 02:31:09,510
They pointed the Hubble at
nothing.

2362
02:31:10,230 --> 02:31:16,630
They pointed it at what was it?
The head of a pin held at arm.

2363
02:31:16,630 --> 02:31:20,550
'S length and they pointed it at
the darkest part of the night

2364
02:31:20,550 --> 02:31:22,270
sky like.
By the handle of the Big Dipper

2365
02:31:22,270 --> 02:31:25,630
or something.
They pointed it at nothing and

2366
02:31:25,630 --> 02:31:28,750
focus it on that spot for like a
week or something.

2367
02:31:29,470 --> 02:31:31,550
So it would gather as much light
as possible.

2368
02:31:32,230 --> 02:31:36,070
They were trying to see how far
they could see, which was going

2369
02:31:36,070 --> 02:31:39,030
to tell them how old the
universe is, because it would be

2370
02:31:39,030 --> 02:31:41,830
the oldest light they could see.
Brilliant.

2371
02:31:42,590 --> 02:31:44,790
So where the naked eye sees
nothing.

2372
02:31:45,590 --> 02:31:55,230
This is what Hubble saw.
Oh, because all of those bright

2373
02:31:55,230 --> 02:31:57,110
spots.
On that picture, those are other

2374
02:31:57,110 --> 02:32:00,670
galaxies, right?
They are all galaxies except to

2375
02:32:00,670 --> 02:32:03,390
see the.
Diffraction spikes here and

2376
02:32:03,390 --> 02:32:06,630
here.
Those are stars that that got in

2377
02:32:06,630 --> 02:32:09,590
the way.
That photo bombed the picture.

2378
02:32:10,590 --> 02:32:15,270
3000 galaxies in a spot.
Where the.

2379
02:32:15,350 --> 02:32:19,630
Naked eye sees nothing. 3000
Galaxies.

2380
02:32:20,980 --> 02:32:22,220
And they thought, is this a
fluke?

2381
02:32:22,540 --> 02:32:24,580
So they pointed it in.
Every other direction.

2382
02:32:24,580 --> 02:32:26,540
What do they see?
Exactly the same thing.

2383
02:32:27,620 --> 02:32:31,220
The the the density of the
dispersion of galaxies in the

2384
02:32:31,220 --> 02:32:36,940
universe is essentially the same
everywhere, generally speaking.

2385
02:32:37,780 --> 02:32:41,060
And you do the math.
What was that something held at

2386
02:32:41,060 --> 02:32:47,020
arms like the I don't know.
And the math is over 300

2387
02:32:47,020 --> 02:32:49,660
billion.
Galaxies.

2388
02:32:51,810 --> 02:32:53,810
Within what's called the light.
Bubble.

2389
02:32:54,130 --> 02:32:56,730
How far?
Hubble can see the the last

2390
02:32:56,730 --> 02:33:00,250
photo I will show you was the
James Webb doing the same thing?

2391
02:33:00,250 --> 02:33:03,970
And it's the same thing, only so
they're supposed to be seeing

2392
02:33:03,970 --> 02:33:09,250
the very earliest galaxies, and
they figured it's 13 billion

2393
02:33:09,250 --> 02:33:13,890
light years away. 13.7 or 13.9
billion light years away, which

2394
02:33:13,890 --> 02:33:18,770
should be baby proto galaxies.
What the James Webb The Jade,

2395
02:33:18,770 --> 02:33:20,250
the New telescope.
Is showing them.

2396
02:33:20,900 --> 02:33:25,100
Are fully formed spiral galaxies
at the beginning of the

2397
02:33:25,100 --> 02:33:28,700
universe, Which tells you what
the scriptures already tell us.

2398
02:33:28,700 --> 02:33:30,580
There is no beginning.
Right.

2399
02:33:31,820 --> 02:33:38,500
And astronomers if when I've
heard one when asked what what

2400
02:33:38,500 --> 02:33:40,500
is beyond.
Our light bubble and they said

2401
02:33:40,500 --> 02:33:43,740
probably more of the same.
Well, and now.

2402
02:33:44,700 --> 02:33:48,300
Now it starts to become.
Apparent how there can be God's

2403
02:33:48,300 --> 02:33:53,210
money, right?
How can it be otherwise, right?

2404
02:33:53,530 --> 02:33:54,410
If each.
One of.

2405
02:33:54,410 --> 02:34:00,130
Those are its own Galaxy,
mimicking our own.

2406
02:34:00,130 --> 02:34:03,730
I shouldn't say mimicking, but
in the same pattern have the

2407
02:34:03,730 --> 02:34:05,410
same pattern as our.
Own.

2408
02:34:06,210 --> 02:34:11,130
This does something else too,
Ken, which for so long there was

2409
02:34:11,130 --> 02:34:20,090
this idea of space is chaotic
without form, utterly violent.

2410
02:34:20,440 --> 02:34:23,000
Yeah, now.
And and not that, it's.

2411
02:34:23,000 --> 02:34:23,720
Not.
Somewhat.

2412
02:34:23,720 --> 02:34:26,440
Violent, right?
I mean, asteroid impacts say

2413
02:34:26,440 --> 02:34:29,640
that.
But what this does do is it

2414
02:34:29,640 --> 02:34:34,360
shows an order to all things.
And if you start saying OK,

2415
02:34:34,360 --> 02:34:40,360
there's an order to all things,
it begs the existence of

2416
02:34:40,360 --> 02:34:46,440
something far more intelligent,
of greater significance then we

2417
02:34:46,440 --> 02:34:50,490
can possibly fathom.
These I'm trying to remember

2418
02:34:50,490 --> 02:34:59,970
exactly who, but there are some.
Renowned astronomers and an

2419
02:34:59,970 --> 02:35:03,570
astrophysicists who are
absolutely convinced in the

2420
02:35:03,570 --> 02:35:07,410
existence of a higher power
because of the order and the

2421
02:35:07,410 --> 02:35:10,570
balance of the energy and power
at the atomic level and at the

2422
02:35:10,570 --> 02:35:18,540
Mac the macro level that that
exists in such order and even.

2423
02:35:18,540 --> 02:35:21,820
There are galaxies that have
collided, collided.

2424
02:35:22,020 --> 02:35:24,740
Nothing actually touches because
the distances are so fast.

2425
02:35:25,140 --> 02:35:28,100
But even that is a creative
event.

2426
02:35:29,260 --> 02:35:32,540
Stars are created and born
through that.

2427
02:35:32,540 --> 02:35:35,620
I mean it's it's like life, this
creative process.

2428
02:35:35,940 --> 02:35:39,020
These galaxies come together or
even pass through each other or

2429
02:35:39,020 --> 02:35:44,440
combine.
The largest Galaxy is 10,000

2430
02:35:44,440 --> 02:35:46,200
times.
Bigger than the Milky Way.

2431
02:35:46,760 --> 02:35:51,000
Holy cow, It's one of these big
lenticular galaxies.

2432
02:35:51,720 --> 02:35:54,200
So.
So the plan of salvation if it

2433
02:35:54,200 --> 02:35:57,920
blew your mind to consider the
Milky Way Galaxy is the Kingdom

2434
02:35:57,920 --> 02:36:02,440
of God.
This made me cry right from

2435
02:36:02,440 --> 02:36:04,720
eternity.
To eternity I am the same.

2436
02:36:05,280 --> 02:36:09,160
There is no end to my works.
Worlds without number.

2437
02:36:10,080 --> 02:36:13,150
Holy smokes.
We can see with technology what

2438
02:36:13,150 --> 02:36:17,310
prophets only saw by vision, and
we're the only intelligent

2439
02:36:17,310 --> 02:36:21,030
species in existence.
How ignorant.

2440
02:36:21,830 --> 02:36:26,150
Prior to 1995, if you believed
in extraterrestrial life forms,

2441
02:36:26,150 --> 02:36:28,350
people would laugh at you for
being crazy.

2442
02:36:29,150 --> 02:36:31,990
That was me.
And now people look at this and

2443
02:36:31,990 --> 02:36:35,510
it is inevitable.
Yeah, that's a good way of

2444
02:36:35,510 --> 02:36:37,150
putting it.
Inevitable.

2445
02:36:38,940 --> 02:36:43,980
How can we be it various Galaxy
types?

2446
02:36:44,620 --> 02:36:45,820
Spirals.
Ellipticals.

2447
02:36:46,460 --> 02:36:48,700
Peculiar.
They're odd shaped ones.

2448
02:36:49,220 --> 02:36:54,900
Irregular Bard, spiral.
These irregular and peculiar are

2449
02:36:54,900 --> 02:36:58,780
very young, small baby galaxies.
Which is crazy.

2450
02:36:59,300 --> 02:37:03,060
If everything was happened at
the same time 13.7 billion years

2451
02:37:03,060 --> 02:37:06,340
ago with The Big Bang, the laws
of entropy should have said we

2452
02:37:06,340 --> 02:37:08,580
should all be the same age and
breaking down already.

2453
02:37:09,040 --> 02:37:13,320
Right, but there's still new.
There are new creations.

2454
02:37:13,720 --> 02:37:18,080
Happening even at our galactic
core, there is a creative.

2455
02:37:18,080 --> 02:37:22,880
Force at work perspective.
Earth resides in our solar

2456
02:37:22,880 --> 02:37:26,640
system.
A star system our our solar

2457
02:37:26,640 --> 02:37:30,080
system resides in a interstellar
neighborhood.

2458
02:37:30,120 --> 02:37:34,920
These are our closest stars.
1020 maybe 100 light years out.

2459
02:37:35,960 --> 02:37:38,320
This is 100,000 light years our
Galaxy.

2460
02:37:39,370 --> 02:37:43,010
So our interstellar neighborhood
is right here.

2461
02:37:44,050 --> 02:37:48,170
Our Galaxy exists in a local
galactic group.

2462
02:37:49,170 --> 02:37:50,730
There's us.
This is Andromeda.

2463
02:37:51,610 --> 02:37:55,010
Andromeda is our closest major
Galaxy.

2464
02:37:55,210 --> 02:37:57,090
All of these are satellite
galaxies.

2465
02:37:57,130 --> 02:38:01,810
Small galaxies, most of which
will eventually be gobbled up by

2466
02:38:01,810 --> 02:38:04,610
the Milky Way.
And in time, the Milky Way and

2467
02:38:04,610 --> 02:38:07,570
the Andromeda will combine.
We're headed toward each other.

2468
02:38:08,790 --> 02:38:11,150
Fortunately, it's 2.2 million
light years away.

2469
02:38:11,790 --> 02:38:14,030
So we've got a few million years
before we have to worry about

2470
02:38:14,030 --> 02:38:18,870
that, and even then it'll be
like a big party, I suppose, our

2471
02:38:18,870 --> 02:38:20,270
local galactic group.
Is.

2472
02:38:20,270 --> 02:38:21,430
Part.
Of a supercluster.

2473
02:38:21,510 --> 02:38:24,110
Here's our group, and here's all
these other clusters of

2474
02:38:24,110 --> 02:38:28,350
galaxies.
Our supercluster is a part of of

2475
02:38:28,350 --> 02:38:34,110
local superclusters, which is
part of the observable universe.

2476
02:38:34,110 --> 02:38:37,030
Now here's just things
observable.

2477
02:38:37,990 --> 02:38:42,870
Yeah, here's the crazy thing.
The light bubble, meaning that's

2478
02:38:42,870 --> 02:38:46,030
as much light as we can see
because that's when time began,

2479
02:38:46,430 --> 02:38:48,110
right?
Or so they say.

2480
02:38:48,110 --> 02:38:52,510
But here's the problem this is.
13.7 billion light years, but

2481
02:38:52,510 --> 02:38:56,470
it's also 13.7 billion light
years in that direction.

2482
02:38:57,590 --> 02:39:00,310
That's almost 28 billion light
years and.

2483
02:39:00,950 --> 02:39:09,770
We're right in the middle, no?
And the some have speculated.

2484
02:39:09,770 --> 02:39:14,570
That that the universe is
actually 96 billion light years

2485
02:39:14,570 --> 02:39:18,570
across.
How do you, how can you explain

2486
02:39:18,570 --> 02:39:22,490
a universe that is?
Bigger than time, they said.

2487
02:39:22,490 --> 02:39:25,050
Well, at The Big Bang, they
broke.

2488
02:39:25,050 --> 02:39:27,890
The laws of physics and expanded
faster than it should have.

2489
02:39:28,930 --> 02:39:32,050
I mean, they're all spit balling
at this point, right?

2490
02:39:32,570 --> 02:39:35,570
Right.
Moses And were it possible that

2491
02:39:35,570 --> 02:39:37,290
man could?
Number the particles of the

2492
02:39:37,330 --> 02:39:41,170
earth gave millions of earths
like this.

2493
02:39:41,810 --> 02:39:44,330
So the all the particles of
earth time millions of earth.

2494
02:39:44,850 --> 02:39:48,690
It would not be a beginning to
the number of my creations.

2495
02:39:49,970 --> 02:39:54,850
This photograph is of the.
Globular star cluster in the

2496
02:39:54,850 --> 02:40:01,170
Omega Centauri A part of our
Galaxy star clusters are these

2497
02:40:01,170 --> 02:40:02,610
groups.
Of very old.

2498
02:40:02,610 --> 02:40:07,280
Stars.
That kind of orbit, our galactic

2499
02:40:07,520 --> 02:40:12,320
Halo, our galactic core, and
that's just, that's a star

2500
02:40:12,320 --> 02:40:16,680
cluster.
It's like a jewel box, that one

2501
02:40:16,680 --> 02:40:18,440
and the.
Hubble one the other thing that

2502
02:40:18,440 --> 02:40:21,360
I'm.
Also astounded by is the

2503
02:40:21,360 --> 02:40:24,920
vibrancy of color.
Yeah, right.

2504
02:40:26,600 --> 02:40:30,120
Typically we think of space as
black and white, right?

2505
02:40:30,400 --> 02:40:36,380
White in the absence thereof.
This is a different picture he

2506
02:40:36,380 --> 02:40:41,540
can imagine in his essay
unrolling the.

2507
02:40:41,540 --> 02:40:43,660
Scrolls for some forgotten
witnesses.

2508
02:40:44,860 --> 02:40:49,580
Hugh Nibley and I forget what
the exact extra canonical

2509
02:40:49,580 --> 02:40:52,260
references quotes it saying.
That Christ?

2510
02:40:52,300 --> 02:40:56,580
Well, it's a piss of Sophia
telling his disciples that there

2511
02:40:56,580 --> 02:41:00,220
are many different kinds.
Of light much more than what we

2512
02:41:00,220 --> 02:41:04,120
see here.
And I'm on earth.

2513
02:41:13,360 --> 02:41:15,040
That must be my cue that we're
at the end.

2514
02:41:20,200 --> 02:41:22,640
There are many worlds that have
passed away by the word of my

2515
02:41:22,640 --> 02:41:26,040
power.
There are many that now stand,

2516
02:41:26,760 --> 02:41:29,200
and innumerable are they unto
man.

2517
02:41:30,320 --> 02:41:31,800
But all things are numbered unto
me.

2518
02:41:33,320 --> 02:41:36,120
For they are mine, and I know
them, the heavens they are.

2519
02:41:36,120 --> 02:41:40,080
Many some people interpret that
as galaxies, right?

2520
02:41:40,840 --> 02:41:43,640
And they cannot be numbered unto
men, but they are numbered.

2521
02:41:43,640 --> 02:41:47,240
Unto me for their mine, And as
one earth shall pass away, and

2522
02:41:47,760 --> 02:41:50,480
the heavens thereof so shall
another come.

2523
02:41:51,720 --> 02:41:54,520
And there is no end to my works,
neither to my words this is.

2524
02:41:54,520 --> 02:41:58,280
The JW the James Webb Space
Telescope Deep Field.

2525
02:41:59,200 --> 02:42:06,730
And there you have it.
We survived, so as I've.

2526
02:42:06,730 --> 02:42:08,490
Been sitting here thinking about
this.

2527
02:42:09,690 --> 02:42:12,490
And and what I'm gonna take away
from this, it's that.

2528
02:42:12,490 --> 02:42:19,810
It's it's this that it it's
absolutely astounding when you

2529
02:42:19,810 --> 02:42:27,690
stop to think about the breath
of time and space that happens,

2530
02:42:27,690 --> 02:42:33,050
that everything God has to.
To work with in order to keep

2531
02:42:33,050 --> 02:42:39,810
this whole plan going.
But but it's all for one.

2532
02:42:39,810 --> 02:42:43,730
Thing.
Right.

2533
02:42:43,730 --> 02:42:46,010
It's for us.
We should be both.

2534
02:42:46,010 --> 02:42:50,930
Humbled as well as encouraged.
At.

2535
02:42:50,930 --> 02:42:58,250
At the same time that that it
really is all for.

2536
02:42:58,250 --> 02:43:03,120
His children right and.
If it is all for his children,

2537
02:43:03,120 --> 02:43:09,280
then truly we we've heard it
before, but truly then the the

2538
02:43:09,280 --> 02:43:14,200
governing idea that has to be
over this whole thing.

2539
02:43:14,720 --> 02:43:19,160
Emanating from the very throne
of God is love.

2540
02:43:20,400 --> 02:43:26,000
Love for His children, love for
His creation and for the.

2541
02:43:26,000 --> 02:43:30,280
Hope that that we can ascend to
where he's at.

2542
02:43:31,340 --> 02:43:34,740
Yeah, I love that in in the
context of the.

2543
02:43:34,740 --> 02:43:38,180
Verses that.
We as Mormons uniquely

2544
02:43:38,180 --> 02:43:43,420
understand, you know why God
gets up in the morning, so to

2545
02:43:43,420 --> 02:43:48,860
speak, Right in Moses is where
we find that the very first.

2546
02:43:48,860 --> 02:43:54,060
Chapter The first thing he does
to Moses is he shows him the

2547
02:43:54,060 --> 02:43:56,460
world and the ends thereof.
Verse 8.

2548
02:43:57,840 --> 02:43:59,920
And all the children of men
which are and which were

2549
02:43:59,920 --> 02:44:02,280
created.
And then the presence of God,

2550
02:44:02,280 --> 02:44:05,160
you just showed him this world.
And then the presence of God

2551
02:44:05,160 --> 02:44:11,320
withdrew from Moses, and he fell
to the earth, and it came to

2552
02:44:11,800 --> 02:44:13,280
pass.
It was for the space of many

2553
02:44:13,280 --> 02:44:15,720
hours.
Before Moses did again receive

2554
02:44:15,720 --> 02:44:20,200
his natural strength, and he
said unto himself, Now for this

2555
02:44:20,200 --> 02:44:25,440
'cause I know that man is
nothing, which thing I never had

2556
02:44:25,440 --> 02:44:29,310
supposed right.
You see what God's doing?

2557
02:44:29,630 --> 02:44:30,910
And then watch what happens.
In a minute.

2558
02:44:30,910 --> 02:44:37,750
But so Moses was second in power
in Egypt and God had to show him

2559
02:44:38,710 --> 02:44:41,590
that That's nothing, there's
nothing.

2560
02:44:42,070 --> 02:44:44,790
So Moses was humbled and then he
flips it on him.

2561
02:44:46,870 --> 02:44:51,270
And so now we see in the same
chapter after Satan tries to

2562
02:44:51,270 --> 02:44:55,990
deceive him at his weakest then
God in verse 30.

2563
02:44:56,980 --> 02:45:00,740
Five, but only account of this
earth and happiness thereof give

2564
02:45:00,740 --> 02:45:02,100
I am to you.
For behold, there are many

2565
02:45:02,100 --> 02:45:04,940
worlds that have passed away by
the word of my power.

2566
02:45:05,020 --> 02:45:08,540
And we read about that, or
behold.

2567
02:45:08,660 --> 02:45:13,660
So after he humbles Moses, and
then he shows Moses all of this

2568
02:45:13,660 --> 02:45:18,820
stuff and then says what I've
shown you, multiply that times.

2569
02:45:18,820 --> 02:45:24,460
Millions upon millions, Moses is
feeling extremely insignificant.

2570
02:45:25,310 --> 02:45:27,430
And he flips it on him and says,
But all of it's for you.

2571
02:45:28,390 --> 02:45:31,870
Yeah, all of this stuff, you
see.

2572
02:45:32,950 --> 02:45:36,550
All of these amazing, incredible
possessions and creations.

2573
02:45:36,550 --> 02:45:41,510
The reason this is all here is
to begin to pass your immatality

2574
02:45:41,590 --> 02:45:48,030
and eternal life.
God bearing worlds.

2575
02:45:48,430 --> 02:45:54,310
Yep, the ancient texts called
It's the greatest, the greatest

2576
02:45:54,310 --> 02:46:00,030
story ever told.
Yeah, and it's true.

2577
02:46:00,030 --> 02:46:03,230
I'm telling you, it was a heck.
Of a guess for.

2578
02:46:04,270 --> 02:46:08,990
For a farm boy from upstate New
York, even if it weren't right,

2579
02:46:08,990 --> 02:46:10,710
it would still be the most
incredible story ever.

2580
02:46:10,710 --> 02:46:15,830
Told, but then for to actually
be not only plausible but

2581
02:46:15,830 --> 02:46:19,470
provable, right and and
verifiable.

2582
02:46:19,470 --> 02:46:22,390
And vindicated by science and.
Time, yeah.

2583
02:46:23,700 --> 02:46:25,660
Even I have.
To even I have to believe it,

2584
02:46:26,140 --> 02:46:29,540
yeah.
Ken, that was absolutely

2585
02:46:29,540 --> 02:46:30,460
awesome.
Thanks.

2586
02:46:30,460 --> 02:46:36,740
For coming back on my man, yeah.
I'll be thinking about this one

2587
02:46:36,780 --> 02:46:39,700
for weeks.
Yeah.

2588
02:46:39,700 --> 02:46:42,420
We'll be thinking about it until
we get it all, I imagine.

2589
02:46:42,780 --> 02:46:44,780
Yeah, because every time they
point.

2590
02:46:45,300 --> 02:46:46,420
The.
James Webb.

2591
02:46:46,420 --> 02:46:48,140
In a different direction it
adds.

2592
02:46:48,460 --> 02:46:51,500
I mean, I'm every time something
new is discovered, I'm.

2593
02:46:51,980 --> 02:46:54,540
Trying to My brain tries to fit
it into this model.

2594
02:46:55,180 --> 02:47:01,660
Yeah, and it is astonishing.
Amazing because it all fits

2595
02:47:02,380 --> 02:47:05,180
amazingly into the plan.
The plan gives it all.

2596
02:47:05,180 --> 02:47:07,740
Context.
Yeah.

2597
02:47:08,260 --> 02:47:09,980
OK.
Thank you.

2598
02:47:10,340 --> 02:47:12,460
No, thank you, dude.
I appreciate.

2599
02:47:12,460 --> 02:47:13,620
It like I said.
This.

2600
02:47:14,280 --> 02:47:17,680
It it's this is one of those
that I feel like it's healthy

2601
02:47:17,680 --> 02:47:20,640
because we get a little bit of
that sense that Moses God of

2602
02:47:20,640 --> 02:47:24,600
like slow your roll you're
you're not that important right

2603
02:47:24,600 --> 02:47:31,040
and or or you're not that
special maybe but then God flips

2604
02:47:31,040 --> 02:47:32,520
it.
And says, But it's all for you,

2605
02:47:33,240 --> 02:47:36,120
it's all for you.
I do this, 'cause I love you,

2606
02:47:37,200 --> 02:47:40,000
and the and the contemplation of
the eternities which?

2607
02:47:40,000 --> 02:47:43,360
Shows a Smith was constantly
trying to get the Saints to do.

2608
02:47:44,460 --> 02:47:47,580
It's partly why we have temples.
To help us.

2609
02:47:47,580 --> 02:47:52,660
See the Longview, the greater
perspective that the minutiae of

2610
02:47:52,660 --> 02:47:55,940
our lives, that the pain and the
struggle and the effort is a

2611
02:47:55,940 --> 02:48:00,300
part of this vast and
significant part of this vast

2612
02:48:00,340 --> 02:48:03,060
eternal plan.
And I was thinking about this

2613
02:48:03,580 --> 02:48:08,740
the the Nabu Saints, the Nabu
Temple, They were under fire,

2614
02:48:08,740 --> 02:48:11,700
under pressure to leave, and
they were desperately working to

2615
02:48:11,700 --> 02:48:15,720
finish this temple.
Enough so that they could use

2616
02:48:15,720 --> 02:48:18,760
it.
Why it was Brigham and others

2617
02:48:18,760 --> 02:48:21,400
were desperate to endow the
Saints.

2618
02:48:22,120 --> 02:48:24,480
And I'm like why endow them with
power?

2619
02:48:24,480 --> 02:48:27,320
Power to do.
They still had to trudge across

2620
02:48:27,320 --> 02:48:30,240
1000 miles of desert and pull
their belongings It.

2621
02:48:31,160 --> 02:48:33,880
I mean, they didn't have any
magical power to transport

2622
02:48:33,880 --> 02:48:36,960
themselves and people still died
and froze and they still had to

2623
02:48:36,960 --> 02:48:40,280
work hard.
It wasn't the kind of power that

2624
02:48:40,280 --> 02:48:42,240
we see in superhero.
Movies.

2625
02:48:43,320 --> 02:48:47,240
It was this Longview.
This was it gave them the

2626
02:48:47,240 --> 02:48:51,080
perspective and the faith and
the courage and the strength to

2627
02:48:51,080 --> 02:48:52,840
endure everything they had to
endure.

2628
02:48:53,600 --> 02:48:56,760
That's the power which is
embodied in come, come these

2629
02:48:56,760 --> 02:49:00,360
Saints absolutely which they
sing.

2630
02:49:01,640 --> 02:49:06,720
And should we die before our
journeys through happy day, All

2631
02:49:06,720 --> 02:49:10,280
is well.
We then are free from toil and

2632
02:49:10,280 --> 02:49:14,580
sorrow too.
With the just we feel dwell but

2633
02:49:14,580 --> 02:49:17,260
if our.
Lives are spared again to see

2634
02:49:17,260 --> 02:49:21,060
the Saints that rest obtain.
Oh, how will make this chorus

2635
02:49:21,060 --> 02:49:26,220
swell All is well.
What a perspective they sang

2636
02:49:26,220 --> 02:49:29,060
that.
They sang that for 1000 miles in

2637
02:49:29,060 --> 02:49:32,100
this desert, and that
perspective was given to them

2638
02:49:32,100 --> 02:49:36,220
through the endowment among the
other restored doctrines.

2639
02:49:36,780 --> 02:49:38,660
I love What?
What?

2640
02:49:39,300 --> 02:49:40,300
What?
Nibley had said.

2641
02:49:40,300 --> 02:49:44,380
And I'm going to butcher this
horribly, so forgive me, but he

2642
02:49:44,380 --> 02:49:47,540
talks about at times in his
books when talking about the

2643
02:49:47,540 --> 02:49:55,620
temple that it's taking the
infinite and then.

2644
02:49:55,900 --> 02:50:02,820
Putting it inside of a of
something that we can wrap our

2645
02:50:02,820 --> 02:50:05,900
minds around.
Yes, and you're receiving.

2646
02:50:06,680 --> 02:50:09,880
There's even allusions.
To sacred geometry there right

2647
02:50:09,920 --> 02:50:12,680
as squaring the circle.
Right.

2648
02:50:13,120 --> 02:50:15,680
Oh yeah.
And and so there's there's

2649
02:50:15,720 --> 02:50:19,640
there's a lot there to be had
and and I guess you know what

2650
02:50:20,120 --> 02:50:26,120
whatever flavor of Mormon you
are, I I would just say listen

2651
02:50:26,120 --> 02:50:28,720
to this once before you go to
the temple.

2652
02:50:28,720 --> 02:50:32,490
Next time and then.
Try to understand.

2653
02:50:32,730 --> 02:50:36,450
That what the temple is.
Doing is taking exactly what Ken

2654
02:50:36,450 --> 02:50:41,290
and I and me extremely crudely
Ken's way better at than I am.

2655
02:50:41,290 --> 02:50:46,570
But taking these things and
scaling it so you can begin to

2656
02:50:46,570 --> 02:50:49,610
wrap your mind around it, That's
really the mystery and the

2657
02:50:49,610 --> 02:50:52,410
beauty of the temple.
One of the first.

2658
02:50:52,450 --> 02:50:53,130
Oh, go ahead.
I'm sorry.

2659
02:50:53,490 --> 02:50:55,690
No, no, you're good.
I was just going to say and and

2660
02:50:55,690 --> 02:50:58,170
that's what.
The temple is for, it's the long

2661
02:50:58,170 --> 02:51:00,130
game.
It's to try to begin to

2662
02:51:00,130 --> 02:51:06,050
understand a little bit what
Eternity is and that that, that,

2663
02:51:06,490 --> 02:51:10,610
that view from above that that
we can have.

2664
02:51:11,610 --> 02:51:13,810
When?
I was first trying to put

2665
02:51:13,810 --> 02:51:16,170
together.
The location of God and reading

2666
02:51:16,170 --> 02:51:18,890
some of this stuff.
And I had come to that same kind

2667
02:51:18,890 --> 02:51:21,330
of conclusion even before I'd
read some of these books.

2668
02:51:21,860 --> 02:51:24,180
Part of it was the symbolism of
the prayer circle.

2669
02:51:26,100 --> 02:51:28,220
Mm hmm.
Oh yeah, where God is at the

2670
02:51:28,220 --> 02:51:29,780
center.
Yep, we.

2671
02:51:29,780 --> 02:51:32,980
Surround him and Lehigh,
Speaking of joining the heavenly

2672
02:51:32,980 --> 02:51:36,820
choirs above surrounding the
throne of God the symbol.

2673
02:51:36,820 --> 02:51:40,740
The symbolism of that is not
accidental.

2674
02:51:41,180 --> 02:51:45,980
No, no, it's.
Not well.

2675
02:51:45,980 --> 02:51:48,500
That's beautiful.
Ken again, thanks.

2676
02:51:48,500 --> 02:51:53,320
So much and the veils.
What's that in the veils we

2677
02:51:53,320 --> 02:51:55,280
forgot to riff on the?
Veils we did.

2678
02:51:55,320 --> 02:51:57,720
Forget to riff on the veils, the
veil in the.

2679
02:51:57,720 --> 02:51:59,040
Temple.
What that symbolizes?

2680
02:51:59,320 --> 02:52:00,720
And the.
Veils that are talked about in

2681
02:52:00,720 --> 02:52:03,360
these extra comic canonical
texts and that Brigham Young

2682
02:52:03,360 --> 02:52:06,480
referred to the angels that
stand as Sentinels.

2683
02:52:07,800 --> 02:52:11,920
Yeah, that guard.
The way I forget what I'm.

2684
02:52:12,480 --> 02:52:15,240
But this awesome quote that.
There are veils that we.

2685
02:52:15,240 --> 02:52:18,850
Must pass through.
As we approach in it, you know

2686
02:52:18,850 --> 02:52:23,410
the Co-op theorem approach
between the sun or between where

2687
02:52:23,410 --> 02:52:25,770
we are now and the galactic
core.

2688
02:52:25,770 --> 02:52:30,530
There are very specific kingdoms
and veils, literal dust, veils

2689
02:52:30,930 --> 02:52:33,850
that we must pass through and
that we have to be prepared to

2690
02:52:33,850 --> 02:52:39,210
pass through right by covenants
that we have made through the

2691
02:52:39,210 --> 02:52:42,010
sacred ordinances that prepare
us to do so.

2692
02:52:42,930 --> 02:52:46,850
And the piss of Sophia details
that very process.

2693
02:52:47,580 --> 02:52:50,820
We're taught about in our
earthly buildings, in our

2694
02:52:50,820 --> 02:52:57,740
temples, absolutely.
Well Ken, this was awesome man.

2695
02:52:57,740 --> 02:53:00,020
Thank you so so.
Much for coming on.

2696
02:53:01,260 --> 02:53:03,700
Thanks for bearing with me.
This wasn't long with us bearing

2697
02:53:03,700 --> 02:53:04,940
with you.
Nothing, man.

2698
02:53:04,940 --> 02:53:07,660
This was awesome.
We covered a lot of ground,

2699
02:53:07,660 --> 02:53:09,020
didn't we?
Light.

2700
02:53:09,020 --> 02:53:14,740
Years of it.
I thought about this too.

2701
02:53:15,340 --> 02:53:16,500
If the universe.
Really.

2702
02:53:16,500 --> 02:53:23,460
Is 13.7 billion years old.
That means we've had about 5

2703
02:53:23,460 --> 02:53:27,420
eternities, yeah, yeah.
I mean.

2704
02:53:27,420 --> 02:53:30,260
Look, there's SO much to take.
Away out of this conversation.

2705
02:53:30,260 --> 02:53:35,420
I mean, I think it may be one of
the few times that publicly

2706
02:53:35,420 --> 02:53:38,620
speaking someone's dared to say
no, no, no, no.

2707
02:53:38,620 --> 02:53:43,980
And eternity is quantifiable.
Einstein.

2708
02:53:43,980 --> 02:53:44,620
Would be.
You're welcome.

2709
02:53:45,580 --> 02:53:46,420
Yeah.
That's right.

2710
02:53:47,340 --> 02:53:49,860
I got nothing to.
Lose, you know, if I were at A.

2711
02:53:49,900 --> 02:53:52,380
Position of authority.
Or something like that.

2712
02:53:53,460 --> 02:53:58,580
I'd have to watch out, but I'm
just just just a guy who I can,

2713
02:53:58,660 --> 02:54:02,740
I can say this stuff, you know?
Yeah, no, it's good stuff and it

2714
02:54:02,740 --> 02:54:04,260
rings true.
Right.

2715
02:54:04,260 --> 02:54:08,100
I mean, everything we talked
about here is testified of

2716
02:54:08,660 --> 02:54:10,900
either through Scripture,
through the words of Joseph

2717
02:54:10,900 --> 02:54:13,970
Smith.
Or just through the the order of

2718
02:54:13,970 --> 02:54:18,370
the Galaxy that's there, even
even if it's not exactly true.

2719
02:54:18,650 --> 02:54:22,330
The fact that we can even go
there, that we can find a model

2720
02:54:22,330 --> 02:54:25,450
that really does fit what the
restored gospel teaches, is

2721
02:54:25,570 --> 02:54:31,010
thrilling to even ponder that
and to be able to see the

2722
02:54:31,050 --> 02:54:34,770
pattern of God.
In all of creation, right?

2723
02:54:35,810 --> 02:54:37,850
That that's worth That's worth
it, right?

2724
02:54:37,850 --> 02:54:40,850
There.
And a a friend of mine once said

2725
02:54:44,370 --> 02:54:46,650
if you are prepared.
Enough to ask the right

2726
02:54:46,650 --> 02:54:50,530
question.
The answer cannot be far behind,

2727
02:54:50,530 --> 02:54:52,650
so just in the.
Process of pondering these

2728
02:54:52,650 --> 02:54:54,810
things?
Yep, reckoning.

2729
02:54:54,810 --> 02:54:56,810
Like Brother Brigham.
It'll get us.

2730
02:54:56,810 --> 02:54:59,450
Somewhere I've I've often
thought that that the Lord

2731
02:54:59,450 --> 02:55:01,730
gauges our.
Spiritual maturity and ability

2732
02:55:01,730 --> 02:55:05,330
to handle certain pieces of
information based solely upon

2733
02:55:05,330 --> 02:55:08,650
our questions.
Yeah, this this friend of mine

2734
02:55:08,650 --> 02:55:10,490
called the hedge of.
Revelation.

2735
02:55:11,160 --> 02:55:13,160
Right.
No, it protects the.

2736
02:55:13,160 --> 02:55:16,240
Unprepared from the mysteries.
And the mysteries from the

2737
02:55:16,240 --> 02:55:17,920
unprepared?
Absolutely.

2738
02:55:18,360 --> 02:55:19,600
And we're prepared to have to
ask the right.

2739
02:55:19,600 --> 02:55:21,120
Question we might be prepared
to.

2740
02:55:21,120 --> 02:55:25,600
Understand the mystery all
Although if we try and force the

2741
02:55:25,600 --> 02:55:29,840
issue we will.
Elder Packer in his masterful

2742
02:55:29,840 --> 02:55:33,880
talk Kendall of the Lord talked
about if we try and force God,

2743
02:55:33,920 --> 02:55:36,360
try to force the understanding
of God, we can't be misled.

2744
02:55:36,920 --> 02:55:38,520
Yep.
So we can do all of our part, do

2745
02:55:38,520 --> 02:55:39,520
our studies and ask the.
Right.

2746
02:55:39,520 --> 02:55:44,280
Questions and be patient as God
feels we are ready to receive

2747
02:55:44,360 --> 02:55:48,240
greater light knowledge.
Absolutely beautiful stuff, my

2748
02:55:48,240 --> 02:55:50,520
man.
Let's do it again, David.

2749
02:55:50,680 --> 02:55:52,080
OK.
All right,

2750
02:56:24,810 --> 02:56:27,530
You're listening to the Mormon
Renegade podcast.