Episode #94: Exploring Race & The Priesthood (2 New Essays By A Fundamentalist) W/Taylor Smith

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Okay, this is going to be the
last episode.

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I'm going to do on this subject
for the foreseeable future.

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I have Taylor Smith on the
podcast to discuss two new

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websites that contain two essays
about race in the priesthood.

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Those websites are blacks in the
priesthood.

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Calm and priesthood band.com.
We covered the essays themselves

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focusing on the historical
scriptural rational and

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revelatory examination.
Now, since last week's episode

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I've had countless messages and
emails asking me what my

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thoughts are on the issue.
Will first let me say it.

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Shouldn't matter what I think.
I'm not your priest, Rabbi

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Bishop for-profit.
These are issues folks need to

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study for themselves, pray about
and then get their own answers.

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However, at the end, I will tell
the audience where I stand on

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this stick around for another
epic installment of the Mormon

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Renegade podcast.
Look, it's no secret that our

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society has become much more
crude, and course to become, and

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raise men, and women of virtue
and characters a Herculean task

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to help.
This, I've recently wrote and

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published a book.
Now, back in the 1700s,

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Washington had a book called
Rules of Civility, and Decent

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Behavior, and Company, and
conversation.

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It was a book with 110 Rules,
the talked about how to conduct

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yourself like a civilized person
in society.

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Something that today Society is
sorely lacking.

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When I get is, I went back
through the book and I

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reinterpreted his original
sayings for the 21st century.

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So, the book is laid out in the
way in which you see,

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Washington's original rule right
below.

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That is my explanation for the
21st century and below that,

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you'll find two or three
examples of, where do you use

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this in the real world now to go
along with this?

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There's a workbook that helps
parents teach these principles

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and practices to their kids to
find the book.

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Go to Mormon renegade.com.
Go to the bottom of the page,

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search out the blog post in
order your copy today.

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I can bear personal testimony
from personal experience that

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this is an invaluable tool to
help you raise men.

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And Virtue and character.
Listening to the morning

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Renegade podcast.
Taylor.

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So you kind of started a new
kind of kicked a few Hornet's

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Nest this week, my man.
Dinner has been a busy week so

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free when he doesn't know.
Taylor has put together an essay

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and publish it online.
And where can I find that again?

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So it's actually two.
I say it's the first essay is

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blacks and the priesthood, and
the second essay is priesthood

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band.com and the first one is
kind of address to more broad

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audience including brother and
sisters in the in the LDS church

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like the mainstream churched.
I bet it's really available for

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anyone and everyone within the
restoration or or somebody

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that's just kind of interested
in the history and doctrine of

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the restoration of the second.
One is geared directly towards

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fundamentalists and my brothers
and sisters that are you know

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that I would identify or
affiliate with some of the

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groups of the fundamentalist.
Got you got you, you've taken a

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stance?
That is contrary to about 99% of

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fundamentalist, where where you
don't think race should play any

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sort of an issue and in
priesthood or Temple ordinances

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or any of those things.
And last week, we, you know, I

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had Justin on it with a long
with Jacob and have the debate.

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My question is had you come to
this point?

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How did you get to this point?
Where you felt like, Oh, maybe,

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maybe.
Maybe we got this wrong here a

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little bit and then Piggyback
off of that.

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What was it?
That made you decide?

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You know what?
I need to get this word out a

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little more.
Yeah, it's it's kind of been a

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long journey process and so
early on, in my conversion to

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the fullness of the Gospel.
I I of course can the testimony

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of the principle of Eternal
Marriage, plural, marriage.

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And I got a testimony of Adam.
God.

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I didn't necessarily think I
have completed her standing of

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it but the spirit what were
witness to me?

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That it is true and and it was
really a completely unforeseen

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Rock of my world because you
know I thought I was in the

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church.
I thought that was where I love

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you forever.
And along with that though, I I

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met a few fundamentalists and
encountered the priesthood ban,

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which is basically a rule that
states that black members cannot

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receive the priesthood in or
Temple ordinances in this life

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and I, I can't say that I have
ever had.

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Like it's spiritual testimony of
it.

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But I accepted it initially
because what I thought, well, I

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guess if that's how it is, I
guess that's how it is and I

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didn't ever necessarily like it
but I also really wanted to do

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the right thing and end at the
time I sincerely thought I guess

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if freaking tated it must be
God's Will and so I accepted it.

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But over the years I thinking
back on some of the experiences

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I had as a missionary so I
serves an LDS mission in Detroit

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spent over a year in the inner
city and it for those that may

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not understand and realize what
that means.

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I was the one white guy from
miles and most need direction

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in, at any given time and I even
had one of my companions was a

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guy from from Ghana to see.
You is actually darker than the

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guys down in the hood there.
He was a full African and very

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dark and end through those
experiences serving with my

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black Companions and and that
black companion and other Elders

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that were black in a Black very,
very predominately black

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community thinking.
Back on those experiences, I

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don't think that it was
necessarily like a result of

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their race so much as their
circumstances there.

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If you know, it's a welfare
state and and, you know, cuz you

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go out into the suburbs people
that ha that got out a

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generation or two prior, and
there's really no difference

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between black and white.
They're going to talk the same

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way.
They're going to have me a

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college degrees.
They're going to be very

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articulate.
And, and so, it's really, I'm

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not going to say there's no such
thing as a cursor, generational

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curses.
And sometimes those do the line

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with races.
But but, but frankly, I think

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that those experiences just
really got me to Think Through

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in Mike.
And as I would read the book of

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Mormon and I kept coming across
these these verses that like God

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is no respecter of persons.
All are alike unto God and he

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did not have no one black or
white Bond or free male or

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female and these types of versus
just Over the years, cause me to

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kind of question.
But the cat the big Catalyst was

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when an acquaintance of mine who
is a fundamentalist and and that

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he did the unthinkable and he
married a sister, that was half

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black maybe she's a quarter, I
actually don't know, but she's

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definitely has you no noticeable
African ancestry.

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And, you know, looking at that
and they've been, they all

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professed that they had clear in
a taking it to the Lord prayed

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about it since the enormously
and had received undeniable

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witnesses that it was the Lord's
will for them and he is actually

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a second wife.
So his first wife was white and

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they they she joined their
family and I think that the

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courage that it took to do that
and this is 23 years ago and it

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is, you know, watching the
receipt Wants of some of their

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family members to this decision
that they made was just a

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wake-up call of hold on a second
by their fruits, you shall know

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them.
These are some really awful

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rotten disgusting fruits, like
the way that they're treating

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these people who are sincerely
trying to follow God and and

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then it led me to a more
detailed examination and

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Analysis of some of the history,
some of the scriptural

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foundations of things and life
will cover from shirt at part of

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this discussion.
Later at first, it was a little

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squishy, it was kind of
confusing, it wasn't super clear

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to me and you know, when people
can interpret scriptures and

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historical quotes different
ways, and so at the time, it

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just felt like will an appeal to
the history and appeal of the

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scriptures are not adequate to
really settle this question.

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And so I buy a fell I kind of
came to the conclusion that the

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weenie Did the word of God and
we needed a d'usse at the Lord

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revelation. 22 really settle.
This question definitively and

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little did I know or realize?
What what, how that would shape

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out and hash out.
And then do you know, we can

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definitely I want to cover those
types of details but let's maybe

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start with the foundation.
Now after an ablation did come

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and and I got a testimony of it
and I shared it with some other

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folks and and and ask them.
Hey, what do you think of do you

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think this could be of God in
any other people that I really

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respect?
You are extremely educated but

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also humble and live.
Close to the spirit felt that it

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was also have God and and and so
that strengthen my faith and

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that's why, I know I felt like,
okay it's not just something I

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feel or want to believe it's
something that I actually think

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is true and an n and then as
During the process of preparing

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and writing these essays going
back through the history.

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In the Scriptures, it became so
much more clear to me, like, the

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darkness, the confusion, the,
the just the, the doubt has all

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given way to light and peace and
confidence.

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And so, you know, I can't speak
for anybody else.

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These are just my experience is
my journey through this process.

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But but I would love to kind of
go through some of these

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histories and the, the
scriptures and then maybe from a

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rational perspective cuz it's
John Taylor tot.

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You know, if we can't support
doctrines or ideas with good

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sound philosophy and reason or
scanned scripture Revelation,

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then the sooner we part with
them, the better, and in so like

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that's what John Taylor
considered Mormonism, is it?

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It needs to be right rational so
and then we'll look at the kind

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of the revelatory angle as well.
before we go there though I want

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to know what what like it's one
thing to write an essay in like

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pass it out to people that you
agree with or people that you

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think might be Might be curious
about.

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It's another thing.
Just throw that bad boy and

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trust me as a guy who started
this podcast.

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I understand this it's another
thing to go ahead and throw that

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stuff up so everyone can grab
it.

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What was the impetus for that?
What, what got you to that

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point?
So that is a kind of cringed,

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because I've, I've always hated
people who were, like trying to

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build a following, or trying to
get followers or any of that

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kind of crap in.
And I just it, you just repulses

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me when people.
But in the case of this sort of

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these essays, I really feel like
there's so many people who are

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sincere and just have not been
able to get clarity on this

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issue but and they sincerely
want to do the right thing.

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They want to follow God, but
they, but they are not able to

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see.
Clearly, what God's will is in

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the direction that God would
have them go and for the sake of

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those individuals, and then, and
then for the folks in the

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church.
So so this the first essay is

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has a kind of a different
emphasis and focus than the s.

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S.
A b, a s s a s address to the

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fundamentalist who are still
perpetuating and enforcing the

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priesthood then they Not where
Dane black members, Bill,

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baptized and confirmed, but they
won't or day in our gifts.

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Simple blessings to to black
people who join their groups.

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The church reverse that policy
45 years ago.

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So you might think we'll what
does this have to do with LDS

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people?
Like they got over the band four

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and a half decades ago.
What I found is just with a lot

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of the current events and
things.

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It's been coming out with Tim
Ballard and and not just $10.

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But I'll just all sorts of
political things church.

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Just some of the culture.
There are certain things that

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are coming out that are causing
people to question like they're

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their allegiance to the church
and and I think that like I say

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I love the church, I respect the
church and I support the church

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in as much as it is serving
God's purposes and in trying to

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preserve his truth.
But I have some serious concerns

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with the church.
One of the primary concerns, I

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have with the church. is the
idolatrous relationship so many

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members have with their
leadership, or with the Brethren

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or the prophet or the, you know
that the institution of the

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church and people when they when
they put the, when the kind of

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conflate the church with God,
Now, you know, if, if the church

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was to say something that God
did not say they're going to

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accept it as is it because of
that relationship because of

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that trust, and that can have
very disastrous results and, you

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know, maybe an example, some
people in the audience

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listening, May relate to this,
when President Nelson came out

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and recommended that all members
of the church going out and get

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their coat job.
And, you know, I have friends

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and family members who felt
awful about that.

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But they prayed and they're
like, God, I want to be in

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alignment with your profit.
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multiple attempts, taking it to
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sharing me stores.
I like, guys don't remember

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martin-harris you go back to the
Lord to give you the a different

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answer that doesn't mean the
truth or what he really in a.

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Why didn't you follow the first
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But but now it's some of them
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have been struggling and and and
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it goes to show to me that God
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But we have a opportunity and an
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to not get sucked into idolatry
and whether that I delete

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anything into an idle, you can
make a truth.

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The True Church of Jesus Christ
can become an idle, the priest.

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It could become an idle, the
scriptures could become an idle,

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you know, let alone a man or
like a a cult personality cult

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figure, these things can become
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If we ever think that if this
becomes my new morality, my new

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moral line, if the church would
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goes to this point, I will
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Then we have an idle on our
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God is independent of any man or
institution and so like the word

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of God.
And so the first essay being

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addressed to members is an
appeal, to the unit gets uses

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the priest it down, as a case
study and it really goes

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through.
I believe that I I have been

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able to prove that the priests
of band did not originate with

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Joseph Smith.
That Brigham Young's institution

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of the priesthood band was a
departure, a clear departure of

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the precedent established by
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and and as such Brigham, Young
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hyperbolic things that he said
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one of which was if the church
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the blacks, it would forfeit the
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destruction.
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Kimball in 1978 who literally
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He's he discontinued the
enforcement of the priests of an

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ordained all worthy members
regardless of race and you know

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it's a fundamentalist.
Sometimes we'll look at that in

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a little bit.
Be like see the church has no

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priesthood left and they've they
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destruction, ironically, some of
the greatest growth in the

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church's membership and its
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whole world increase.
Post-ban, and, you know, and it

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seems to have stalled a little
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for a while there it was on a
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Unstoppable growth and you know,
so wait a second What by their

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fruits.
You shall know them.

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Was that prophecy of Brigham.
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You know, fundamentalist insist
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has gone to destruction in the
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I do think that there is some
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They have some points like when
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ordinances and deny laws and
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I have some serious concerns
there but but it gives us a

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clear in a whether you believe
where the whether you accept

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President Kimball in the 1978
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God or not.
Joseph in Brigham are on

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opposite sides of this issue.
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And so this really calls into
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One of the primary false
traditions and idolatrous

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teachings within the church
today which is that the God will

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not permit the prophet to lead
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When you, when you make a man,
incapable of leading the church,

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astray number one, I believe you
gift.

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If that was a thing, God would
have deprived that man of his

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Agency number to it, it, it
creates a Big Freedia Colt, it

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creates an idol.
And so now, people think that, I

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all I have to do is confirm my
opinions to this guy and I'll

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get to heaven, guaranteed and,
and that is not the path of

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discipleship.
That is not actually

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Christianity, let alone
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And so this is this is a uses
that the history is a case

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study, too, hopefully gently but
very clearly smash these Idols

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of leadership within the church.
And to know that just because

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the the prophet says or the
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officially like as appalled as
an institution issues, a policy

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that does not guarantee that it
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that issue.
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I, you know, as I look at the
the what happened in 78, I think

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there's plenty of evidence to
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Whether you're Pro or against
the band that wasn't really an

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inspired deal, right?
I mean, there's plenty of plenty

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of evidence to suggest had as
much to do with that, as as

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anybody else and it's pretty
convenient that doesn't prove

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that it was the wrong decision.
I think that you can make the

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right decision for the wrong
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You know, even a broken clock
can be right twice a day.

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So again, we have to appeal to
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We have to appeal to reason, we
have to appeal to the history

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and end, and ultimately, we all
have to appeal to the Lord and

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get personal revelation on this
matter, before we dive into the

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SAQ deep, I do want to go over
something and pack.

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Something you said that I
think's pretty important, too.

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Kind of parse out a little bit
and that's this idea that wants

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to church.
Lifted the ban membership took

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off, right?
I think I think that's a

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standard or how wealthy the
church became or any of those

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things.
I think that's a standard.

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We have to be careful of
applying Car Blanc, right?

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Cuz there's a lot of Rich guys
that I can promise.

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You are not not good guys,
right?

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And plenty of Rich guys that are
good guys.

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I think some of that is just
political positioning and

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understanding how to play the
game a little bit and any of

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those things.
So I'm not a huge fan of saying

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well someone must be doing
something, right?

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Because look at all that money
or look at.

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Look at all the butts and see,
it's right.

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So but but I will say this I
mean the fruit, I tend to focus

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on more is, you know, What, what
what's your membership look like

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right outside of numbers?
Although I do, I will say this,

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I think embracing correct
principles will naturally make

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your number swell, I do.
I do believe that but More than

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that.
Tell me about your membership.

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Are they fully?
Actualized, individuals.

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Are they a group of people that
can call upon the Lord and and

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Converse with him and drop our
from the priesthood?

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I think, I think those fruits
are are definitely those things

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that that come from adopting,
right?

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Right principles.
But for sure, there's a

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quantitative and I think if you
were to just only focus

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exclusively on the quantity and
quality of the window, you're in

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big trouble at not just applies
across the board, not just in

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this situation with the church.
And again I I do think that as

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we examine one of the sections
in the second essay is you know

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cuz of Savior taught by their
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You shall know them.
Why you think that you have to

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look at the fruits and it is
undeniable.

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It is just document.
It is fact it is nice.

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Beautiful that the church
membership I think not just

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quantitatively but also
qualitatively grew during .

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There had been, you know, coming
back in time to get to In The

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Weeds on this.
But, you know, there were some

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struggles that the church have
been encountering.

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Basically fundamentalist have
been getting some pretty big,

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good traction and things like
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Now, the band did cause an
exodus from the church to join

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fundamentalist because there are
a lot of people within the

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church who thought that was a
bad decision in 1978.

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It's not like it was a
universally-accepted, everybody

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agreed with it.
Even in that in the church at

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that time.
So there is that.

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But but what have what did the
members of what did the

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fundamentalist do with that?
Body of saints, that left the

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church, and join them be over
the band.

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Like I think that we have to
honestly examine what if we done

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with the members that have come
to us from whatever means

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through whatever means possible.
And unlike are we are we

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stronger today than we were in
the past or vice versa and and,

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and let can we Trace any of that
trend line to having a flawed

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premise?
You know, can we trace it back

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to any fundamentally incorrect
doctrines, right?

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Where I know this is kind of a
foundational thing, I kind of I

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am I have gained a greater, and
greater confidence, that this is

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such a foundational thing, and
if you get this wrong, it you're

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going to get doomed.
And and that's it.

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It because it just God will not
uphold it.

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Okay.
And I like it, I like jumping

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two.
So do you want to do each essay

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separately?
Because there is some overlap,

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right?
There's for sure over that.

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I mean, when you're looking at
history and scriptures, you're

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going to be using reason and
intellect to kind of examine an

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instinct about them and
vice-versa when you're when

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you're looking at things from
rational, but I do think it

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makes sense.
And the reason I format of these

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essays, I felt inspired to do it
in this specific weight is

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starting with the history, then
going to the scriptures, making

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an appeal to the history of
field of the scripture, see what

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we can come away with, from
those exercises then go to a

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rational examination.
And then finally the revelatory

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and one other quick thing just
to kick this off.

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You know, my intent here is not
to divide now.

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Fundamentalists, may may think
that you know that's ridiculous

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of me to Peace to come out and
take a position that the ban was

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wrong and say I'm not trying to
be divisive.

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What I'm trying to do is is you
know rather than being divided.

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Let's unite around truth.
And I believe with all my heart

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that this is the truth of God
and therefore I invite all of my

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brothers and sisters from any
stripe fundamentalist lbs,

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whatever the case may be to
unite on this true principal So

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where do you want start with
word first or the history makes

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sense?
And the the essay you can read

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all these statements in full.
So we're going to be looking at

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blacks in the priesthood, and
I'll kind of just go in

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chronological order.
I presented it which is not

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always chronological because I
didn't want to you know, just

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look at it and try to hide
things or whatever, D emphasize

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things that you do.
Make me appear to contradict my

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conclusions or vice versa.
I think that we need to be bold

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and fearless in addressing the
strongest arguments on both side

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of this question.
And so there's a quote from

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Joseph Smith where he going to
help set the table.

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How do you feel about Brigham
then?

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I love Brigham Young Brigham.
Young is a servant of the Lord.

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He is a champion in so many ways
that he if it wasn't for Brigham

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Young, I don't know that the
restoration would have survived

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the death of Joseph and so we
all owe Brigham Young.

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A huge debt of gratitude.
I have nothing but respect for

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the man, but my point is, it
doesn't mean that just because a

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guy is, as a wonderful, great
man.

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Doesn't mean you can't have a
bad idea once in a while.

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And, you know, and I did listen
to that whole.

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It was a long episode the debate
between Justin and Jacob

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vidrine.
And I've Loved A really

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appreciated with Justin schear
at the end that heat you know he

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kind of clarified he's not anti
Brigham Young because when

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Brigham Young was teaching the
truth.

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It was the truth from God and we
should accept it but but you

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know just because Brigham Young
said a thing doesn't make it

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true.
Otherwise we have an idolatrous

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situation now.
We're conforming to Brigham's

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opinion rather than measuring
Riggins words against the

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standard of the scriptures and
Revelation in our own direct

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connection with heaven and then
N, I appreciate it.

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But Jacob had said after after
that saying, you know, this is

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not like something that bring
him was always harping on.

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This actually didn't come up
very much.

449
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,800
You've you look at the body of
work of what what Brigham left

450
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,000
behind in his journal of
discourses and all of the

451
00:27:56,008 --> 00:27:57,700
sermons and things that he ever
wrote and taught.

452
00:27:57,700 --> 00:28:01,000
This is a very small percentage
of his body of work.

453
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,700
And for good reason, it only
impacted a couple of families

454
00:28:05,700 --> 00:28:10,600
during his administration.
And while, while that could lead

455
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,600
to serious, you know,
increasingly serious

456
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,100
consequences as things
progressed, you know, has time

457
00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:22,100
passed and that sort of thing in
his day, it was not that big of

458
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:23,700
an issue.
It didn't act too many people

459
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:30,100
and And, you know, he said he
was busy, he had to get 25,000

460
00:28:30,100 --> 00:28:33,000
people to survive in the barren
desert of Utah with no

461
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,200
infrastructure and no support at
outside.

462
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,900
And, you know, coming from a
place that has completely run

463
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:42,900
him out of town.
Like, like I do not fault

464
00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:48,700
Brigham, I disagree with him.
I I, I can understand though,

465
00:28:48,700 --> 00:28:50,900
why?
And I think that the history as

466
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:54,800
we go through the record here,
it'll give us some insight into

467
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,500
his humanity and you know, that
doesn't make him an evil person,

468
00:28:59,500 --> 00:29:05,100
but it did just causes me to
reflect in and be very careful

469
00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:09,500
and look at his words and do
they align with the scriptures?

470
00:29:09,500 --> 00:29:12,800
And if not, I'm going to roll
with the scriptures as a

471
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,500
contradiction there.
You know, I think that's good

472
00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:19,100
because so often especially in
today's climate, right?

473
00:29:19,100 --> 00:29:21,100
Cuz Brigham is a polarizing
figure.

474
00:29:21,108 --> 00:29:25,900
You have the doctrine of Christ
spoke to her like no bra.

475
00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:28,500
What's a complete ass?
There's nothing we should ever

476
00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:31,900
take from him.
The endowments bad, the the

477
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:34,600
plural marriage is bad.
You know, you whatever it is.

478
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:42,500
It's like yes.
And so I wanted to make sure and

479
00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:44,800
and I knew you well enough, I
knew you weren't there, but I

480
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,800
want to make sure that that that
everyone else understood that

481
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,100
you're not strong.
Bring them under the bus here.

482
00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:53,300
You're not a pain to throw
Brigham out.

483
00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:58,500
This was this was one thing that
that, that there's a

484
00:29:58,500 --> 00:30:05,100
disagreement on and I think a
guy can have a bad opinion once

485
00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:07,800
in a while and make him a bad
guy dirt.

486
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,200
So, but yeah, I think that that
is one thing.

487
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,700
When you look into this history
is really easy to get into a

488
00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:18,500
super and agonistic perspective.
Because there are all sorts of

489
00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:21,700
people who would love to just
throw Brigham into the bus.

490
00:30:21,700 --> 00:30:25,700
I have no interest in doing
that, I am grateful for the man.

491
00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:29,200
I honor and respect his legacy
which is mostly good.

492
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,300
I just think she himself
lamented.

493
00:30:33,300 --> 00:30:35,800
I like what?
A Pity it would be if if if this

494
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,700
people with allow one man to
leave them the wrong way to

495
00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:41,800
destruction.
Is he basically was asking

496
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,100
people to not take his word for
it and to take it to the Lord

497
00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:48,700
and send it to measure it
against the standard work since,

498
00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:51,800
you know, to seriously consider
the truth of a thing.

499
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:57,100
And so, it's really, it's not
just that Brigham Filled the

500
00:30:57,100 --> 00:30:59,400
church, the church field.
Brigham Young.

501
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:04,000
And I think it's a tragedy that
people did not challenge him or,

502
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,900
or at least maybe not challenged
cuz that's he had he had a

503
00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:15,500
pretty strong personality, but
but try to persuade him that

504
00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:19,700
maybe this was a mistake, maybe
this wasn't the way to go.

505
00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:22,500
That's why I would actually I
would say there's a lot of

506
00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:25,800
personal responsibility that is
not just a, it doesn't all fall

507
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,600
in Brigham Young.
This was a failure 5 every

508
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,200
person who sustains the
decision, right.

509
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,800
Okay?
So that's good.

510
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,500
Just wanted to clear that up
before we drove in here.

511
00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:38,300
For sure.
We'll get that out of the way.

512
00:31:38,308 --> 00:31:40,800
So let's let's start with the
history then.

513
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:46,000
Okay, so the first statement,
which is, you know, people on

514
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,500
both sides of the issue.
Look at it as hey, this proves

515
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:52,800
my point.
So it's a statement where Joseph

516
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,400
Smith is having a conversation
with elder hide.

517
00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:01,200
Elder Richards and Orson Hyde
asks about the situation of the

518
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,200
black people.
And Joseph answers, they came

519
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,400
into the world slaves, mentally
and physically, but change their

520
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,200
situation with the whites.
They be like them.

521
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,600
They have souls and our subjects
of Salvation and he's talked

522
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,100
about going to a city and find
an educated person and you'll

523
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:19,800
their equal if not surpassing
White's.

524
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,400
Now this kind of an elder Hydra
marks put them on the level,

525
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,300
they will rise above me.
And maybe a little reading into

526
00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:30,900
this, but that kind of looks
like Orson hide kind of was

527
00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:33,400
balking or pushing back at this
idea that weight.

528
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,200
You think the blacks and whites
are completely equal and Joseph

529
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:42,900
actually says, yeah, they
absolutely are equal.

530
00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:46,800
And if, if there are equal, if,
if you and I cuz you know, a

531
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,700
person hide interests were both
of the same race and Justice.

532
00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:53,300
Like, if I was to try to impress
you, when you hold that against

533
00:32:53,300 --> 00:32:57,400
me and try to suppress me like,
so, is it natural?

534
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,600
Is it not natural that black
people would have a, maybe a

535
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,900
problem with their enslave
condition, to those who are able

536
00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:06,600
to get freedom for those who
are, you know, currently living

537
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:11,900
in that condition of slavery.
And so Joseph said had anything

538
00:33:11,900 --> 00:33:14,800
to do with the, the race, the
black race, I time.

539
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,000
Avoiding I don't want to offend
anybody.

540
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,700
So I'm avoiding the n-word but
so if it had anything to do with

541
00:33:19,700 --> 00:33:23,300
the black race, I would confine
them by strict law to their own

542
00:33:23,300 --> 00:33:25,000
species and put them on a
national.

543
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,500
Equalization.
Now, people on in favor of the

544
00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:34,000
band love to use this sentence.
This the statement to, because

545
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,200
they focus, they just kind of
really cherry-pick.

546
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,700
And on, I would confine them by
strict law to their own species

547
00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:44,400
and an N.
Kind of what they fixate on.

548
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,300
But in the same sentence after
the, there's an ad and it says,

549
00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:55,100
put them on a national
Equalization and basically the

550
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:59,200
earlier in, its it's incredibly
against the band.

551
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,400
This is the statement from
Joseph Smith because change

552
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,000
their situation with the whites,
they would be like them.

553
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,600
Other words.
He's saying it's it has nothing

554
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,400
to do with the race and
everything to do with the

555
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,500
condition of their birth, their
circumstances, they're the

556
00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:18,300
reason and they have souls and
our subjects of Salvation.

557
00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:22,900
This completely, in my opinion,
discredit, any notion that I've

558
00:34:22,900 --> 00:34:26,600
heard people make that, you
know, that maybe Not sons of

559
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,100
Adam.
You know they're not actually

560
00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:32,300
children of God.
It's like to me that this puts

561
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:35,400
it to bed if the statement from
Joseph Smith.

562
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:40,900
This is reflective of the truth
and so so anyway this statement

563
00:34:40,900 --> 00:34:44,300
can be used by both sides to
kind of prove their points.

564
00:34:44,300 --> 00:34:47,000
The reason why I actually feel
very confident.

565
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,699
This is very against the ban is
the shows that Joseph Smith was

566
00:34:51,699 --> 00:34:54,300
not going to be no teacher
enforce.

567
00:34:54,300 --> 00:35:00,200
The ban is because of a few
things that the, they have souls

568
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,700
and our subjects of Salvation.
And the, it's just about

569
00:35:03,700 --> 00:35:06,700
opportunities and environment,
not in any kind of inherent

570
00:35:06,700 --> 00:35:11,300
inferiority one way or another.
And now that we have to answer,

571
00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:14,400
we have to like addressed the
statement.

572
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,700
I would confine them by strict
law to their own species.

573
00:35:16,700 --> 00:35:21,200
That is the one statement in
that whole long paragraph that

574
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,400
kind of looks bad.
And looks like maybe Joseph was

575
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,700
in favor of You know,
segregation and that's where

576
00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:32,400
they think.
I I actually think that that's

577
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,600
not the only way to interpret
that statement.

578
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,900
It's really not the best way to
interpret that statement.

579
00:35:36,900 --> 00:35:42,900
He was trying to protect the
people that were very vulnerable

580
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:46,100
within the church and within
Society in those days and black

581
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:49,200
people, even if they were free,
even if they were in the

582
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,800
northern part of the country,
they were, there was still a lot

583
00:35:52,808 --> 00:35:57,300
of racism and discrimination and
and it was a scandal.

584
00:35:57,300 --> 00:36:00,700
It was, it wasn't yet law in in
all places.

585
00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:04,800
But there were laws that were
that criminalized intermarriage

586
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,800
between black and white
individuals and so I think

587
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,800
Joseph was trying to protect the
the the people in not in those

588
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,800
circumstances.
And he was not saying this as a

589
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,500
as a like general rule because
there's some quotes that will

590
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:20,900
look at later on that talks
about.

591
00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:28,700
One of the thing is the word
species In in like the 1828

592
00:36:28,700 --> 00:36:31,300
dictionary.
So sometimes the meanings of

593
00:36:31,308 --> 00:36:35,200
words evolve over time until
it's helpful to have kind of a,

594
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:40,100
a snapshot in history of what
did the word mean in his day?

595
00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:42,300
If it's because maybe it's
changed since then.

596
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:45,900
And now and it basically talks
about different races from the

597
00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:47,400
same parents are called
varieties.

598
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,700
But zoo in species it's just
they if they have the same the

599
00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:56,300
same parentage, imperative by
natural generation, then they

600
00:36:56,300 --> 00:37:00,200
are the same species.
And so I think you're kind of

601
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:06,000
reading way too much into it
because pain is kind of,

602
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,600
obviously a son of Adam and Eve
and if you look at some of the,

603
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,200
the scriptural accounts, and
that's where the thing.

604
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,100
So, and if Cain is the son of
Adam and black people are the

605
00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:20,500
children of Cain, they're not
like, There's they're still our

606
00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:24,300
brothers and sisters, they're
still from the same parentage

607
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:28,100
and so they're the same species
and so can find would just be

608
00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:33,700
for their protection or so.
So I get any questions on that?

609
00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:38,900
No, I think I don't you answer.
The one question I had is then

610
00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:42,400
didn't make sense of what Joseph
said there but I think you you

611
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,200
did that.
You you showed what what it is

612
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,700
you're that your thoughts are on
that are.

613
00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:50,900
So the next statement is, is
another primary statement

614
00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:54,100
contemporaneously were recorded
statements made during Joseph's

615
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:58,500
light lifetime for those that
are not like history nerds.

616
00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:04,000
So there are different degrees
of of credibility or value when

617
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,100
you're looking at a historical
question, you have to weigh

618
00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:11,600
things based off of a is it from
a first-hand account?

619
00:38:11,607 --> 00:38:14,500
Like is this the actual person
sing the thing?

620
00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:18,300
Or is it something that you know
his son said that he thought his

621
00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:22,100
dad said or a friend Claims that
so-and-so said, if it's a

622
00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:26,100
first-hand account it's far more
credible than a second hand

623
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:27,900
account, I mean, this is just
common sense.

624
00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:31,100
Like, if you ever played the
game gossip, you know, you just

625
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:35,000
go down the line, you know, even
within 2 minutes in the same

626
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,600
room, 10 people can get of
message, completely off the

627
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,200
rails rails.
And so, it's really important to

628
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,700
go back to primary sources are
first-hand accounts.

629
00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:48,500
The other thing is, how close
were these accounts recorded

630
00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:50,600
from the time that these
statements were allegedly

631
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,300
delivered.
And so you have what's called

632
00:38:53,300 --> 00:38:57,800
contemporaneous recording, which
means it was like the same day

633
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:03,000
or within a very close time.
Which is much more valuable than

634
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,800
later on Recollections because
human memories degrade over

635
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,800
time.
We cannot it's just, you know,

636
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,700
even the most amazing person
with a photographic memory or

637
00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:16,200
whatever memories do degrade
over time.

638
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,700
And when you think back on an
event, Multiple times over the

639
00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:23,400
span of years.
It's if it's a really

640
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,200
interesting thing that likes
they have found scientifically

641
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,900
drink doing studies that you're
not actually thinking back to

642
00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:31,500
the original event.
You're thinking back to the last

643
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:36,400
time you talked about the event
and so the more time passes on

644
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,900
on something that the less
reliable and account is going to

645
00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:42,800
be.
So I tried to organize these and

646
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,500
they're very clearly, labeled
primary statements are going to

647
00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:48,300
be first hand accounts.
Contemporaneously recorded,

648
00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:51,000
secondary statements are going
to be either.

649
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:56,400
Attributions that were not like
first-hand accounts or far more

650
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,100
often Recollections that
happened years.

651
00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:03,500
Most cases decades many decades
after the alleged fact.

652
00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:07,200
So it's okay.
Go back to the primary

653
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,100
statement.
Number two, this is Joseph Smith

654
00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:16,600
and he's talking about the the
curse of ham for laughing.

655
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,900
At Noah, Wyle in his wine, but
doing no harm, no.

656
00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:23,100
A righteous man and he was
referring to this as a case

657
00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:27,900
study.
In basically Noah even while he

658
00:40:27,900 --> 00:40:33,600
was drunk, still have the
priesthood and his curse, you

659
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:34,800
know.
It, you know, it, he even though

660
00:40:34,808 --> 00:40:39,200
he was drunk got honored, the
curse that he that he pronounced

661
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,100
upon Canaan.
Now the the interesting thing is

662
00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:49,800
that, you know, why would God
curse hands son and not ham4ham

663
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,700
strand aggression.
There's some really interesting

664
00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:56,400
linguistic analysis, they can be
done, I don't know if you want

665
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:01,400
to go there in this call, but
nakedness can be a, you find a

666
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,000
euphemism relating to both the
person's personal nakedness.

667
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:10,600
Or if a man is married, his
wife's nakedness and it could be

668
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,900
a euphemism for for sexual
intercourse.

669
00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:20,000
And so if that would, if there,
if that is true, you know, if

670
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,600
that could make sense, why I
know it would curse the Sun, the

671
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:29,600
result of him Indiscretion if it
was actually a ham, you know,

672
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:35,100
raping his mother right to just
come out and say it.

673
00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:38,200
I could sit Doug Lee, but, but
that to me makes a lot more

674
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,700
sense.
I think he was trying to usurp

675
00:41:39,700 --> 00:41:44,200
his father's, you know, they so
pretty.

676
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:48,300
And anyway, so that that's
interesting.

677
00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:51,100
But here's the, here's the key
statement that people who are in

678
00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:55,900
favor of the band will use from
this quote, is it says that the

679
00:41:55,900 --> 00:42:00,300
curse of of Noah on Keenan
remains upon the posterity of

680
00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:07,000
Canaan until the present day?
Now, so this I mean it is what

681
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,100
it is.
This is what Joseph said and

682
00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:11,500
it's contemporaneously recorded
as a primary statement.

683
00:42:11,500 --> 00:42:15,700
So it's very credible that these
that this actually does convey

684
00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:19,300
the meaning of the words that
Joseph said, in this instance,

685
00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:24,000
what I believe is.
So in important to have like

686
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,000
really take note of here is that
Joseph doesn't Define what he

687
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:33,400
meant by the word curse.
So it would, it would require us

688
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,600
to read into this quote, meaning
that is not there in the actual

689
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,900
quote.
If we were to say that the curse

690
00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:41,100
equals they can't hold the
priesthood.

691
00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:47,600
So and then I will freely and
openly admit and say I've

692
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,300
actually proven that this
concept of a curse and it as it

693
00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:54,200
and having it be applicable to
the black Americans during

694
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,600
Joseph is very common throughout
this period during Jesus life.

695
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,400
And even the few years after his
death, this was a very commonly

696
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:07,300
taught and held and believed
perspective that the, that the

697
00:43:07,300 --> 00:43:11,100
black race because of their
conditions of birth, being born

698
00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:14,400
into the skin slip if condition,
it was a curse and it was a

699
00:43:14,408 --> 00:43:19,700
generational curse.
And, and and so that, however,

700
00:43:19,700 --> 00:43:23,900
that doesn't Joseph.
Never said he never defined what

701
00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:27,900
he meant by that, and he never
once and ineffective to the

702
00:43:27,900 --> 00:43:31,100
contrary.
He never once said that, Being

703
00:43:31,100 --> 00:43:37,200
cursed that you couldn't hold
the priesthood, so primary

704
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,100
statement over three if we're
ready to keep going, keep going.

705
00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:45,600
I don't know if we if we want in
this area, go through everything

706
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:50,500
here.
But basically the heat Joseph

707
00:43:50,500 --> 00:43:54,200
says, he wouldn't vote for a
slaveholder because if they were

708
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:58,000
given power, they wouldn't
destroy an enslaved, people in a

709
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,400
religionist who opposed them.
So, if somebody who was

710
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,200
religious and opposed it and,
you know, when the slaveholder

711
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,900
was elected to office, they
could use that power of their

712
00:44:05,900 --> 00:44:10,000
office elected office to oppress
the rights of people for a

713
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:15,100
religious freedom.
So basically, and then Helder

714
00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:18,900
Orson hide asks Joseph, what
advice would you give to someone

715
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:21,500
who came into the church?
Having a hundred slaves?

716
00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:25,400
That this is a really
interesting question because is

717
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,500
slavery good or bad, right or
wrong.

718
00:44:27,500 --> 00:44:30,400
Well, we're asking Joseph took
to the gist.

719
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:35,600
In on a direct question here in
Joseph says, I have always in

720
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:36,700
other words, this is nothing
new.

721
00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:40,800
I've always advised such to
bring their slaves into a free

722
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:46,400
County and set them free.
But beyond that educate them and

723
00:44:46,408 --> 00:44:51,900
give them equal rights.
That is incredibly revolutionary

724
00:44:51,900 --> 00:44:57,900
even on even in the north there
are a lot of people who knew the

725
00:44:57,900 --> 00:44:59,200
abolitionists all over the
place.

726
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,000
They were very opposed to
slavery but they didn't want

727
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,100
blacks to be considered complete
equals.

728
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:09,000
There was still a lot of racism
and Prejudice there.

729
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,600
So this is to me a very powerful
statement.

730
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:16,200
Declaring true perspectives and
end the fact that he says, I

731
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,800
have always advised shows that
this is not anything new.

732
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,300
It's it's it's what he always
does.

733
00:45:20,300 --> 00:45:24,800
Now this is given in 1840 to.
Now I'm going to back up to a

734
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:30,100
statement, Joseph made in 1836
and you know you might look at

735
00:45:30,100 --> 00:45:36,500
it and say, what year was was
that last statement given about

736
00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:41,400
give them equal rights 1842.
So this is later and Joseph

737
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:42,200
life.
Correct?

738
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:49,900
45 that he he's a sad for what
he's killed at 44276 to 44. 44.

739
00:45:49,900 --> 00:45:52,900
So this is just two years before
he dies.

740
00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:54,400
Correct.
Yeah, yeah.

741
00:45:54,408 --> 00:45:57,400
Actually about less than that
cuz it's the end of the system

742
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,000
30th of December day before New
Year's Eve, 18, 42.

743
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,900
So it's about a year-and-a-half
before he's killed and this and

744
00:46:04,900 --> 00:46:07,800
then he says this is I have
always advised.

745
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:13,600
So to me that's really important
because the next one anti

746
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,000
Mormons and people in favor of
the ban would accuse Joseph

747
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,100
Smith of being kind of
equivocating.

748
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:24,600
He might be saying one thing to
one audience in a different

749
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,200
thing to a different audience
in.

750
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,100
And let's examine this
statement, kind of closely and

751
00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:34,400
see if you know, Joseph Smith
was kind of Being a little bit

752
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,300
duplicitous to being a double
standard and in being a

753
00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:42,200
politician, or if, if there's a
way to understand this, this

754
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,800
consistent, with his Slater
statement saying, this is what

755
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,400
I've always advised.
Give them freedom, freedom, you

756
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,000
know, and, and give them equal
rights.

757
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,900
So, this is primary state in the
number for, this is a long

758
00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:57,000
sermon.
But it's, if you can find it, I,

759
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,700
I, I, I have the bulk of what we
need to cover here in the essay

760
00:47:01,700 --> 00:47:07,300
and the, the the background.
So, the context of what I'm

761
00:47:07,300 --> 00:47:11,100
about to read is that Joseph has
been condemning abolitionist.

762
00:47:12,300 --> 00:47:15,900
And I'm basically saying that
their motive their motives are

763
00:47:15,908 --> 00:47:19,300
in pure and their means are
incendiary and their

764
00:47:19,300 --> 00:47:24,500
hypocritical, and he's basically
saying the South needs to make

765
00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:26,100
their own decision to give up
slavery.

766
00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:29,600
We should not be using federal,
government coercion, or

767
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,800
abolitionist inference.
To try to coerce them to do

768
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,900
that.
So it's so that's kind of the

769
00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:39,200
contact so he's discussing
slavery specifically in the

770
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:40,900
south end up in the American
South.

771
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:46,400
So Joseph Smith says after
having express myself, so freely

772
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,200
upon the subject I do not doubt
but those who've been forward

773
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,100
and raising their voices against
the South will cry out against

774
00:47:53,100 --> 00:47:56,000
me as being uncharitable and
feeling unkind wholly,

775
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,300
unacquainted with the gospel of
Christ.

776
00:47:57,300 --> 00:48:00,300
So Joseph is anticipating
criticism.

777
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:06,400
From people who are
abolitionists and and saying,

778
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,900
we'll YouTube, you must not know
what the gospel of Christ is, if

779
00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:14,900
you think that slavery is okay,
and Joseph is saying K not.

780
00:48:14,900 --> 00:48:17,500
He doesn't he doesn't come out
and say that he thinks

781
00:48:17,500 --> 00:48:19,600
slavery's, okay?
But he then says it is my

782
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,100
privilege to name certain
passages from the Bible and

783
00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:25,200
examine the teachings of the
Ancients upon the matter.

784
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,400
As the fact is incontrovertible
that the first mentioned we have

785
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,200
of slavery is found in the.
Holy Bible pronounce by a man

786
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,400
who was perfect in his
generation and walked with God.

787
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,300
And so far from that prediction
being averse to the mind of God,

788
00:48:36,300 --> 00:48:39,400
it remains as a lasting Monument
to the decree of Jehovah to the

789
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,800
shame and confusion of all who
have cried out against the south

790
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,300
in consequence of their holding
the sons of ham in servitude.

791
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:50,600
So many quotes Genesis chapter,
8 verses 25, 26 and 27 and he

792
00:48:50,607 --> 00:48:52,900
said curse it became in a
servant of servants, shall he be

793
00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:54,700
into his Brethren?
And he said, blessed be the Lord

794
00:48:54,707 --> 00:48:56,800
God of Shem.
And Canaan shall be his servant.

795
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,400
God shall enlarge japheth, and
he shall dwell in the tents of

796
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,400
Shem.
And Keenan shall be his servant.

797
00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:06,300
So Josephine goes out.
So basically Joseph is the

798
00:49:06,308 --> 00:49:11,000
saying, hey, I'm not saying that
there's a precedent that this is

799
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,100
not anything new, or
unprecedented here to say that

800
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:18,500
slavery is a thing.
You know, any quotes the Bible

801
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:22,100
to support that, you know,
slavery is historic.

802
00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:27,100
And there are even scriptural
evidences that God permitted it

803
00:49:27,100 --> 00:49:30,100
and even regulate it, I mean,
you look at the law of Moses in

804
00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:33,100
and there's certain regulations.
Now, that doesn't prove that

805
00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:36,400
it's good, doesn't prove that
God wanted people to be in a

806
00:49:36,408 --> 00:49:40,500
condition of slavery, but it
just shows that that it is

807
00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:44,600
permissible and it is historic.
So Joseph then goes on and says,

808
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,400
trace the history of the world
from this notable event in a

809
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,600
Genesis, 825 227 down to this
day and you will find the

810
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,600
Fulfillment of the singular
prophecy.

811
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,000
What could have been the design
of the almighty in the sink?

812
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,700
This singular occurrence is not
for me to say, but I can't say

813
00:49:59,700 --> 00:50:01,800
the curse is not yet.
Taken off from the sons of

814
00:50:01,808 --> 00:50:04,500
Canaan either.
Will it be until Is affected by

815
00:50:04,500 --> 00:50:06,600
a greater power, has caused it
to come.

816
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,700
And the people who interfere the
least with the purposes of God

817
00:50:09,700 --> 00:50:12,000
in this matter will come under
the least, condemnation, before

818
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,400
him.
And those who are determined to

819
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,900
pursue a course which shows an
opposition and a feverish

820
00:50:15,900 --> 00:50:18,400
restlessness against the decrees
of the Lord will learn when

821
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:19,900
Perhaps it is too late for their
own good.

822
00:50:19,900 --> 00:50:22,900
That God can do his own work
without the aid of those who are

823
00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:28,700
not dictated by his counsel.
That's a long quote, but now

824
00:50:28,700 --> 00:50:31,700
it's kind of pick it apart.
So, at first glance this

825
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:34,900
statement could appear to
support that the priest of an

826
00:50:34,900 --> 00:50:38,500
originated from Joseph Smith.
If, if if you think that the

827
00:50:38,500 --> 00:50:41,500
curse of Canaan means they can
hold the priesthood.

828
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,700
But if you don't think about
priesthood though, right?

829
00:50:45,700 --> 00:50:48,800
He's talking about, in fact, it
is econt.

830
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,300
The whole context of this whole
long sermon is so not the

831
00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:54,100
priesthood.
It's just in my opinion

832
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:58,800
ridiculous to read that into
this when it never says it and

833
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,700
the whole context is he's
discussing slavery specifically

834
00:51:01,700 --> 00:51:03,700
American slavery in the South in
the South.

835
00:51:03,700 --> 00:51:09,200
So to me that that is just Text
Leon supported.

836
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,600
And when, when Joseph is using
the word curse in this

837
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,100
statement, it can only be in
reference to the enslaved.

838
00:51:16,100 --> 00:51:18,300
Condition of American blacks at
the time.

839
00:51:18,300 --> 00:51:22,000
And and then when it says the
peep to the like people who

840
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:26,000
interfere with the purposes of
God, in this matter, that has

841
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,700
been used within fundamental of
circles, as a scare tactic

842
00:51:29,700 --> 00:51:33,400
against were dating black men.
Be something that the purposes

843
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,800
of God means blacks, can't hold
the priesthood that again, there

844
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,300
is no textual evidence that this
is what Joseph meant.

845
00:51:41,300 --> 00:51:43,800
And he never said it here or
anywhere else.

846
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:49,600
And I and so, let me consider,
let me, let me suggest an

847
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:55,700
alternate perspective of how to
understand and interpret this

848
00:51:55,700 --> 00:52:00,300
statement, what is the purposes
of God in this matter, quote, on

849
00:52:00,300 --> 00:52:03,600
quote actually means that God
was going to destroy the

850
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,100
institution of slavery in
America.

851
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:12,500
If true, then that warning would
apply to anyone in favor of

852
00:52:12,508 --> 00:52:16,100
inequality and in favor of
slavery, but it would also apply

853
00:52:16,100 --> 00:52:19,400
to abolitionist.
Because Appalachian is were

854
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,800
trying to in a state-of-the-art
trying to force things and and

855
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,900
you know using coercive.
None on ungodly methods to try

856
00:52:27,900 --> 00:52:29,800
to bring about this for this
result.

857
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:34,400
So to decide who just asked a
couple questions with slavery in

858
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:39,000
the in America of God, Was God
involved in the abolishment of

859
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,900
slavery in America?
I think he if you know Abraham

860
00:52:42,900 --> 00:52:44,300
Lincoln, you read some of his
quotes.

861
00:52:44,300 --> 00:52:47,000
I think it's clear.
So, did God have anything to do

862
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,300
with the outcome of the Civil
War?

863
00:52:48,300 --> 00:52:51,000
I believe, I believe he did.
He did.

864
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,100
Yes.
And I want to make this

865
00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:57,000
distinction cuz I feel like this
is a good place to do it cuz you

866
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,200
really can't talk about this
issue without talking about

867
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,800
slavery.
The type of slavery that was

868
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,100
practiced in the United States.
During the antebellum.

869
00:53:05,100 --> 00:53:12,900
Is not the kind of slavery that
you find in the Bible K that it

870
00:53:12,900 --> 00:53:15,600
would.
If if you're honest and you look

871
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,800
at at the scriptures where God
gives the regulations on it is

872
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:24,000
more indentured servitude, then
it is slavery because on the

873
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,900
year of jubilees, they had to go
free and knowledge that they

874
00:53:27,900 --> 00:53:30,500
have to go free.
But whoever they were indentured

875
00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:33,900
to had to make sure that they
had so much land.

876
00:53:34,500 --> 00:53:39,200
So much coin, livestock.
I mean, if it was me and not

877
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:46,900
only that, I think even beyond
that, The perspective of

878
00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:52,500
American slavery that allowed of
an owner to sell off a husband,

879
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:55,900
and break up a family or so off
of white or sell off a child

880
00:53:55,900 --> 00:54:00,500
like, that is just a Bominable.
And, and that was never

881
00:54:00,500 --> 00:54:04,100
permitted within the Old
Testament regulations of slavery

882
00:54:04,100 --> 00:54:08,200
and end so considering human
beings.

883
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:13,500
Even if they have black skin as
anything less than humans is so

884
00:54:13,500 --> 00:54:18,000
ungodly, in my opinion and and
and treating them like cattle or

885
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,800
you know, property is, is just
unconscionable.

886
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:26,300
And the other thing I'll say is
this, cuz a lot of people will

887
00:54:26,300 --> 00:54:29,600
point back to Washington and
Jefferson say, will they owned

888
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,600
slaves?
Well, yes, they get, but let's

889
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,400
put some context to this
Washington.

890
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,600
Ghost, broke.
He almost goes broke twice

891
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:42,400
because he keeps buying land and
oftentimes the slaves that work.

892
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:47,800
The land. came with it, but He
tells the story of when he's a

893
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,100
young boy, he Witnesses the
slave trade and he swears right

894
00:54:51,100 --> 00:54:52,400
there and then I'll never do
that.

895
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:56,300
So what happens?
People get married.

896
00:54:56,300 --> 00:54:58,800
They have kids and now all the
sudden you got to figure out how

897
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:03,400
you're going to provide for him.
And the other thing that that we

898
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,300
have journal entries from
especially, Washington, is what

899
00:55:07,300 --> 00:55:10,100
do I do?
Cuz if I set him free, there's

900
00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:12,900
no guarantee.
They're making it to freedom and

901
00:55:12,900 --> 00:55:15,100
there's a lot.
There's people a lot harsher

902
00:55:15,100 --> 00:55:18,100
than than I am out there that I
fear for their safety.

903
00:55:18,100 --> 00:55:21,700
I think it's also interesting
that he does free him on his

904
00:55:21,700 --> 00:55:24,900
death bed and a great majority
decide to stay with Martha.

905
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:28,300
I think that speaks speaks
volumes of the character of the

906
00:55:28,308 --> 00:55:32,200
man, right?
Not that I ever a good thing or

907
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,500
or American slavery, but I think
it shows that this isn't such a

908
00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:41,200
A a cut-and-dry issue, right?
Will end when it's and when it's

909
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,600
voluntary like that's sad.
That to me, it makes all the

910
00:55:44,607 --> 00:55:48,000
difference and, you know, it
without.

911
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:52,300
So like in 121 and talks about a
45 without compulsory means I

912
00:55:52,300 --> 00:55:53,600
shall flow into be forever and
ever.

913
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:58,900
And in this these ideas of
associations that same sociality

914
00:55:58,900 --> 00:56:00,700
that we enjoy here.
Will rise with us in the world

915
00:56:00,700 --> 00:56:05,100
to come going.
I think what section 132 that to

916
00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:09,800
me shows that these folks could
have gone anywhere and they

917
00:56:09,808 --> 00:56:13,700
chose to stick with Martha.
That shows to me that they were

918
00:56:13,700 --> 00:56:19,300
never, you know, mistreated or
degraded bided their George

919
00:56:19,300 --> 00:56:20,600
master.
And so, even though that

920
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,800
relationship was far from ideal
during George Washington's life,

921
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:29,500
it was an, it was a sincere
voluntary, consensual

922
00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:34,400
relationship, you have less.
I also want to say this and in

923
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,500
talking about the abolitionists,
It.

924
00:56:37,500 --> 00:56:40,100
And this is the one thing that
does drive me nuts about this

925
00:56:40,100 --> 00:56:43,500
argument is that we paint this
picture that every abolitionist

926
00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:47,900
was just a God-fearing man, who
was in the, in the pews, you

927
00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:51,400
know, preaching about about, you
know, freedom in those sorts of

928
00:56:51,408 --> 00:56:54,000
things, not true.
If you look at a guy like John

929
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,600
Brown, who went through the
South End, was essentially a

930
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,200
terrorist on the abolitionists
side.

931
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,200
I think that that's maybe some
of the things Joseph could have

932
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,800
been looking at it.
I don't think they were

933
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,800
contemporaries, but similar
things were happening where

934
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,700
Joseph could say that's probably
not the way we want to be doing

935
00:57:10,700 --> 00:57:14,200
this.
Yep, in the North like a

936
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,600
rabble-rouser, trying to get,
you know, inside public

937
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,500
sentiment against the South and
create heart feeling.

938
00:57:18,500 --> 00:57:24,800
Like that is not of God, and let
alone going into the South and

939
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,100
like you said, committing acts
of terrorism, just trying to

940
00:57:28,100 --> 00:57:32,400
raise hell.
I'll say, is that, when, at

941
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,400
least for me, I think there's a
valid argument there to be made.

942
00:57:37,500 --> 00:57:43,500
I do view the Civil War as
somewhat of divine judgment

943
00:57:43,500 --> 00:57:47,200
because we didn't walk up to our
principles, whether you agree or

944
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,700
disagree with the band.
I think we're the stage now

945
00:57:49,700 --> 00:57:52,400
where we can all agree.
That slavery, wasn't a great

946
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,400
thing.
And we didn't walk up to the

947
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,800
Covenant we made with God within
the Constitution.

948
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,100
And what we said we were going
to do.

949
00:58:00,100 --> 00:58:04,500
Even Jefferson says when it
comes to slavery, I stopped and

950
00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:06,600
Tremble.
When I realize that God has both

951
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,900
both just and merciful he
understood that there.

952
00:58:10,900 --> 00:58:14,000
There was a price to be paid.
So when Joseph was talking

953
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:20,000
about, you know, trying to, to
stop the the judgments of God,

954
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,700
her or I can't remember how I
was raised there in that.

955
00:58:22,700 --> 00:58:25,300
Quote, I think what you saying
is Newnan to know.

956
00:58:25,300 --> 00:58:30,000
We, we very much have a price to
pay in this in and there's no

957
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,700
short-circuiting this judgment
cuz you're person also said,

958
00:58:33,700 --> 00:58:37,300
unlike men Nations have to be
punished for their sins in this

959
00:58:37,300 --> 00:58:40,200
life.
Because Nations don't continue

960
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,300
in the afterlife.
And I find that very interesting

961
00:58:43,300 --> 00:58:48,900
as well.
Totally, you're great.

962
00:58:48,900 --> 00:58:51,800
So I just kind of wrap up this
statement.

963
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:56,800
I think the this statement
definitively proves that went

964
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,300
and Joseph Smith was talking
about the curse of Canaan.

965
00:58:59,300 --> 00:59:04,000
He was referring to slavery in
America had nothing to do with

966
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:08,200
A3 sedan.
And I think that the interesting

967
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,500
thing here is because we know
the American history the Civil

968
00:59:11,500 --> 00:59:17,300
War ended slavery in America in
1865 and I think that you'd have

969
00:59:17,300 --> 00:59:22,700
to be completely illiterate his
historically a literate to deny

970
00:59:22,700 --> 00:59:25,900
that God was involved.
It was his will and power that

971
00:59:25,900 --> 00:59:29,600
they cause that outcome.
So, what this statement does

972
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,800
actually is, it proves that God
remove the curse.

973
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:40,300
In 1865, I think about that if
the curse is slavery slavery

974
00:59:40,300 --> 00:59:45,300
ended in 1865.
The curse was lifted in 1865 by

975
00:59:45,300 --> 00:59:46,700
is greater Powers cost at the
come.

976
00:59:46,700 --> 00:59:48,800
The power God.
Yeah.

977
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,500
Oh yeah, I mean you you do have
instances in the Civil War.

978
00:59:52,500 --> 00:59:54,500
There's no doubt that the north
was outmatched.

979
00:59:54,500 --> 01:00:01,000
Write the South have General had
all the Agriculture and you

980
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:05,200
know, they had some of the same
kind of inspired sentiments and

981
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,000
purposes for fighting that, you
know, you read the journals.

982
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,700
Can't remember who it was.
But somebody did an analysis of

983
01:00:10,700 --> 01:00:15,700
like hundreds of journal entries
in letters written by Soulja

984
01:00:15,700 --> 01:00:18,000
Confederate soldiers and Union
soldiers in the Confederate

985
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,400
soldiers.
Write wrote about out very

986
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,100
similar principles to the
American Revolution.

987
01:00:23,100 --> 01:00:26,500
We are fighting for our freedom,
our sovereignty, our right to

988
01:00:26,500 --> 01:00:30,700
you to be represented and not be
have teary.

989
01:00:30,700 --> 01:00:35,700
And and and be usurped over us
where as the Northern soldiers

990
01:00:35,700 --> 01:00:38,300
were just all about what we're
trying to preserve the union

991
01:00:38,300 --> 01:00:45,100
which could be a noble thing.
But maybe bullets aren't very a

992
01:00:45,100 --> 01:00:48,500
good way to go about, like,
forcing people to stay with you.

993
01:00:48,500 --> 01:00:52,100
And then so, like up until
Gettysburg.

994
01:00:52,100 --> 01:00:56,300
The South won every battle, the
South won, every every

995
01:00:56,300 --> 01:01:00,800
engagement, The South was
winning the war of in a public

996
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,600
sentiment.
They had, I think kind of

997
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,900
clearly God helping them and
preserving them in upholding

998
01:01:07,900 --> 01:01:10,100
than they would win against
crazy odds.

999
01:01:10,100 --> 01:01:12,300
You know, the north was always
higher numbers.

1000
01:01:12,300 --> 01:01:14,500
It's like they know kind of
almost like the Book of Mormon

1001
01:01:14,500 --> 01:01:17,600
where the Nephites only have
10000 guys Elena's have like

1002
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,600
20,000 and then the fights win
somehow.

1003
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:25,900
These are over and over repeated
histories in the pre, Gettysburg

1004
01:01:25,900 --> 01:01:29,900
era, but Stonewall Jackson dies.
Robert E Lee, it loses his right

1005
01:01:29,900 --> 01:01:34,200
hand and I think what it was is
the South squandered, their

1006
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:39,000
opportunity To do the right
thing voluntarily, which was to

1007
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,800
free the slaves.
And when they, when it became

1008
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:43,800
apparent, that they were not
going to do that.

1009
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:49,200
The tides turned hard and fast.
Yeah, well, in the way Stonewall

1010
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,500
dies, right?
He's not shot by a union guy.

1011
01:01:51,500 --> 01:01:54,900
He shot by his own man, right at
a night.

1012
01:01:54,900 --> 01:01:59,200
Watch of all things, right?
I mean Gap again, crazy things

1013
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,400
that that is hard.
If if your God guy, it's hard to

1014
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:06,100
chalk that up to just
circumstance and, you know,

1015
01:02:06,100 --> 01:02:08,300
Lincoln was certainly not
blameless.

1016
01:02:08,300 --> 01:02:12,400
But you read some of his
writings and internal, he has a

1017
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:16,500
pivot point for sure, he does.
And I think that when when he

1018
01:02:16,500 --> 01:02:20,600
took the moral High Ground which
is we're not, we're not doing

1019
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:25,300
this to subjugate our brothers
to the South even though maybe

1020
01:02:25,300 --> 01:02:27,300
that's why some people started
this fight.

1021
01:02:27,300 --> 01:02:29,300
Maybe that's why I gave a lot of
people are in this fight.

1022
01:02:29,300 --> 01:02:32,700
It it's not worth.
Not trying to despoil the South

1023
01:02:32,700 --> 01:02:36,200
for our Northern economic
advantage. we have to make this

1024
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:42,600
about the true cause, which is
Freedom and when he made that

1025
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:46,900
pivot, you know, and he issued
the Gettysburg address and then

1026
01:02:46,900 --> 01:02:49,800
MS patient population and you
could criticize that hit.

1027
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,100
Those is just being political
gestures that didn't actually

1028
01:02:52,100 --> 01:02:55,100
change anything.
It changed the purpose.

1029
01:02:55,100 --> 01:02:59,700
It it sure if I had the intent
of the north, and I think that

1030
01:02:59,700 --> 01:03:06,400
those, those two exercises of
Agents, clearly show the hand of

1031
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,200
Providence in guiding the
outcome of the Civil War know.

1032
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:12,900
I would agree how you feel about
the band?

1033
01:03:12,900 --> 01:03:15,900
Like I said I'm not here to, you
know.

1034
01:03:17,500 --> 01:03:20,700
Even if you hold to the band, I
think we can all agree at this

1035
01:03:20,700 --> 01:03:23,500
point, to slavery.
Wasn't such a great thing, so

1036
01:03:23,500 --> 01:03:28,500
American slavery, for sure.
But alright, for sure, moving

1037
01:03:28,500 --> 01:03:30,600
on.
So this is another one from

1038
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,600
1836.
So I didn't go in chronological

1039
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:38,500
order because I felt like I
tried to present these in a way

1040
01:03:38,500 --> 01:03:41,900
that wasn't just chronological
but just kind of built upon each

1041
01:03:41,900 --> 01:03:44,400
other.
So the reason I put the one from

1042
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:48,200
1842 before the the one who just
talked about with slavery is

1043
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:52,800
because he says I have always
advised this and so to me that

1044
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,000
that should give us reason to
question.

1045
01:03:55,000 --> 01:04:00,600
They know the the people that
are in favor of the band

1046
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:05,400
Predisposition to look at this
statement from 1836 as Joseph

1047
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:10,800
teaching the band.
This was also from 1836 just a

1048
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,800
few months before the last one
on slavery and it's basically

1049
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:19,700
he's outlining order rules for
the Kirtland Temple.

1050
01:04:19,707 --> 01:04:24,100
And why would an Indies rules he
talks about?

1051
01:04:24,100 --> 01:04:30,100
Yeah, it's so it's just kind of
a long sentence don't interrupt.

1052
01:04:30,100 --> 01:04:34,300
Don't be irreverent.
Don't be disruptive old to Young

1053
01:04:34,300 --> 01:04:37,400
Rich or poor male or female.
Bonder free black or white,

1054
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:41,900
believer or unbeliever.
So why would Joseph establish

1055
01:04:41,900 --> 01:04:44,300
rules and regulations for the
temple?

1056
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,700
And specifically call out black
and white.

1057
01:04:48,700 --> 01:04:53,500
If blacks were not allowed into
the temple and you know, some

1058
01:04:53,500 --> 01:04:56,600
people would say will the
Kirtland Temple is different

1059
01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:00,800
from the Nauvoo Temple but there
were washing anointing

1060
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:06,300
ordinances administered in the
Kirtland Temple and, you know,

1061
01:05:06,300 --> 01:05:10,300
but because that is a fair
point, let's move right on to

1062
01:05:10,300 --> 01:05:12,700
the next statement.
This comes from 1840 October

1063
01:05:12,700 --> 01:05:16,600
5th, 1840.
This is about the Nauvoo Temple.

1064
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:20,500
If the work rolls forward with
the same rapidity as heretofore

1065
01:05:20,500 --> 01:05:23,900
done, we may soon expect to see
flocking to this place and I'll

1066
01:05:23,900 --> 01:05:27,800
do people from every land and
from every nation, the polished

1067
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:33,000
European Pretty obvious the
degraded Hottentot, which is

1068
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,600
when I looked that up in the
Webster's 1828 dictionary, it

1069
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,000
says a native of the Southern
extremity of Africa.

1070
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,300
I looked into it a little
further.

1071
01:05:40,300 --> 01:05:44,400
So the Danish colonists, that
went down to end and set up

1072
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:49,400
colonies in Africa, that term as
kind of a pejorative, like a,

1073
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:55,000
you know, the n-word.
Yes, exactly.

1074
01:05:55,000 --> 01:06:01,000
And it was somewhat common in
English and dramatic speaking

1075
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:06,200
peoples at the time.
And in, so, you know, Joseph

1076
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,000
was, I don't think those was
trying to be offensive or

1077
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:09,400
anything.
Anybody he's just using

1078
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:15,000
vernacular of the day and the
reality is a lot of blacks who

1079
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,000
had come from Africa.
And we're living in America,

1080
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,900
were degraded because of the
condition of slavery that they

1081
01:06:19,900 --> 01:06:23,100
were born into and, and, and,
and found themselves the

1082
01:06:23,100 --> 01:06:25,700
Shivering laplander, which is
just somebody from like,

1083
01:06:25,700 --> 01:06:29,400
Scandinavia Persons of all
languages of every tongue, and

1084
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:33,000
of every color who shall sit,
with who shall with us Worship,

1085
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,100
the Lord of hosts in his holy
Temple and offer up their

1086
01:06:36,100 --> 01:06:46,000
origins in his Sanctuary.
So this talks about Africans and

1087
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:50,200
then, but then it just plain
English 3 Center, three lines

1088
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:53,100
later of every color.
So Joseph being real clear.

1089
01:06:53,100 --> 01:06:56,600
Hear that everybody is going to
be involved, anybody who comes

1090
01:06:56,600 --> 01:07:01,400
is going to be involved in the
temple and not just allowed into

1091
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:05,700
an assembly hall or night.
For the first time, somebody

1092
01:07:05,700 --> 01:07:07,900
suggested will may, they be
allowed to go into the library.

1093
01:07:07,900 --> 01:07:12,900
Like, I just don't think at all
when he talks about offer up

1094
01:07:12,900 --> 01:07:17,000
their origins in his Sanctuary.
What is an orison?

1095
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,900
The prayer.
The prayer kind of a formal

1096
01:07:20,900 --> 01:07:23,400
prayer.
You know, you can pray anywhere.

1097
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,200
You can pray in the market, you
can pray in your car, you can

1098
01:07:26,207 --> 01:07:29,900
pray in your closet.
You can pray anywhere, but

1099
01:07:29,900 --> 01:07:31,700
you're making the contentions to
prayer circle.

1100
01:07:31,700 --> 01:07:37,000
It's a prayer circle.
And I, I think any other

1101
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:43,800
interpretation of that is weak.
So in this is from the first

1102
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,800
presidency report given in a
general conference.

1103
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,500
So very publicly taught
officially know Joseph Smith

1104
01:07:49,500 --> 01:07:53,000
officially in his capacity as
the prison of the church and its

1105
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:56,100
in late 1840.
So when we start to examine some

1106
01:07:56,100 --> 01:08:00,000
of the secondary accounts, just
keep that in mind that Joseph in

1107
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:04,900
late 1840, was basically saying
that blacks would be involved in

1108
01:08:04,900 --> 01:08:10,500
the temple in Longview and so
statement 7, I'm going to start

1109
01:08:10,500 --> 01:08:12,300
going a little quicker.
I don't want to get too bogged

1110
01:08:12,300 --> 01:08:16,000
down in the history.
So, this is excerpts, from

1111
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,000
Joseph Smith, presidential
platform, which was incredibly

1112
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:23,200
revolutionary at the time in
early 1844, he's very

1113
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:26,800
anti-slavery, but he's not going
to do it at the expense of

1114
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,200
Southern slaveholders cuz cuz he
believes in property rights to

1115
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,600
and because of, this is just the
reality, we're dealing with, he

1116
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:37,200
proposed funding the purchase,
the Redemption of the slaves

1117
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:42,300
with the without depriving their
owners of property that they

1118
01:08:42,300 --> 01:08:45,100
needed that they were counting
on to, to work there, their

1119
01:08:45,100 --> 01:08:47,700
company send and their
particular Plantation was

1120
01:08:47,700 --> 01:08:51,300
basically like a big
Corporation, you know, it's,

1121
01:08:51,300 --> 01:08:55,000
it's not just an individual or a
family that impacted here, it's

1122
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:59,000
like, The equivalent of a, of a
large corporation in today's

1123
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,700
vernacular.
And so he he proposed selling

1124
01:09:01,700 --> 01:09:04,600
public lands to fund the
Redemption of the slaves.

1125
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:08,600
In, in, in heat, he proposed a
deadline of 1850 that could have

1126
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:11,000
saved us.
The Civil War over 600,000

1127
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,100
lives.
Could have been saved in a

1128
01:09:13,100 --> 01:09:15,200
nonviolent resolution of this
issue.

1129
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:21,899
But, you know, and I think was
Henry, David Thoreau, I think

1130
01:09:21,899 --> 01:09:26,600
suggested it like in the 1850s
and he gets credit for you, no

1131
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:29,600
kind of coming up with this
concept that actually.

1132
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:35,899
So, that's that's really great.
And, and there's others that

1133
01:09:35,899 --> 01:09:38,600
just talked about the equality
of races and that there's no

1134
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:43,500
inequitable Lori, no inherent
inferiority or superiority to

1135
01:09:43,500 --> 01:09:46,500
any race every but it's an
individual thing, the next

1136
01:09:46,500 --> 01:09:50,300
couple of statements, he talks
about a plan to get rid of

1137
01:09:50,300 --> 01:09:53,399
slavery.
And if he could, if he could

1138
01:09:53,399 --> 01:09:56,200
Annex Texas, he could get rid of
flu.

1139
01:09:56,200 --> 01:10:00,300
Get deliberate two or three
states and then call in Canada

1140
01:10:00,300 --> 01:10:06,200
and then send the the black
citizens to Texas and from Texas

1141
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:09,300
to Mexico, work all colors are
alike Eminem.

1142
01:10:09,300 --> 01:10:12,800
Another reading of this.
As soon as Texas was annexed, I

1143
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,900
would liberate two or three
states and pay them for their

1144
01:10:14,907 --> 01:10:17,200
slaves and let them go to
Mexico.

1145
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,600
Where they are.
Mixed blacks etcetera, I would

1146
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:21,600
also receive Canada.
So those are from the Joseph

1147
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:22,800
Smith.
Journal was the first version

1148
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:27,100
and a very similar record.
Just some different wording to,

1149
01:10:27,100 --> 01:10:30,900
to make sure that this is not
something that, you know, you

1150
01:10:30,900 --> 01:10:33,700
can misconstrue here.
This is pretty solid recorded

1151
01:10:33,700 --> 01:10:37,300
statement from Wilfred, we're
just journal and so I can

1152
01:10:37,300 --> 01:10:41,000
contemporaneously recorded
primary statements and, you

1153
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:46,700
know, some people might say send
them to Texas and then to Mexico

1154
01:10:46,700 --> 01:10:50,500
again.
That I don't think that that

1155
01:10:50,500 --> 01:10:54,100
means Joseph was a
segregationist or, or was in any

1156
01:10:54,100 --> 01:10:56,300
way you trying to, you know,
split them.

1157
01:10:56,300 --> 01:11:01,200
I think it was, he was looking
to unite a fractured country, a

1158
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:05,000
fractured nation.
And here, in the Crock-Pot in

1159
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:09,100
the crossfire, you have a lot of
innocent people just suffering,

1160
01:11:09,100 --> 01:11:15,300
and this would remove the room.
Constant reminder, of, you know,

1161
01:11:15,300 --> 01:11:18,700
what's going on.
It would Preserve in Camp in and

1162
01:11:18,700 --> 01:11:22,500
ensure the safety of the
innocent black people who are

1163
01:11:22,500 --> 01:11:28,500
are in this condition and in in
Mexico, he says all colors are

1164
01:11:28,500 --> 01:11:31,700
alike.
It, it takes reading into it to

1165
01:11:31,700 --> 01:11:33,600
think that he's saying this is a
negative thing.

1166
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:37,600
I think Joseph Smith is like
kind of a applauding hey at

1167
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,100
least there's a place that's
safe that we can send people

1168
01:11:40,100 --> 01:11:45,700
that the people aren't racist.
It's okay.

1169
01:11:45,700 --> 01:11:51,800
So then primary statement 9,
this is, you know, I've heard it

1170
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:55,400
attributed to Joseph Smith but
it's actually published in the

1171
01:11:55,400 --> 01:12:00,300
times and seasons in 1845.
So a year after Joseph was

1172
01:12:00,300 --> 01:12:05,100
killed, I think it was John
Taylor and it kind of rehashes.

1173
01:12:05,100 --> 01:12:08,000
Some of the things that we
covered already in primary

1174
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:11,800
statement for from Joseph Smith.
And but the most important thing

1175
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:15,900
that I would pull out of this is
that even though it is talking

1176
01:12:15,900 --> 01:12:19,500
about the descendants of ham,
keeping black and it being

1177
01:12:19,500 --> 01:12:25,200
certain like a curse of
servitude and in.

1178
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:28,700
So this is a curse, you know,
and it would require more power

1179
01:12:28,700 --> 01:12:31,100
than a SS to counteract the
decrees of Eternal wisdom.

1180
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:36,800
Again it does not say that.
Black skin cannot hold the

1181
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:42,000
priesthood but what it does say
that I think was maybe after

1182
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:46,700
Joseph's death people, maybe had
some dispositions are in

1183
01:12:46,700 --> 01:12:49,500
propensities to start going that
way.

1184
01:12:49,500 --> 01:12:54,600
It does say that a black skin
has followed an apostate of the

1185
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,500
Holy priesthood, as well as a
black heart.

1186
01:12:56,500 --> 01:13:00,100
But that does not say black
people, can't hold the

1187
01:13:00,100 --> 01:13:03,300
priesthood at all.
It's a strip near.

1188
01:13:03,300 --> 01:13:07,100
It's just merely me know.
You know, reiterating the

1189
01:13:07,100 --> 01:13:11,200
document is his scriptural facts
that you know Cain was marked

1190
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:16,500
and the his Pre-K Pre-K nights
receive the black skin in

1191
01:13:16,500 --> 01:13:21,800
consequence of their genocide of
the people of shechem mites and

1192
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:27,400
then post-flood Noah curse has
the son of ham, Canaan and ends.

1193
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,600
When we know that from Abraham,
one Canaan preserved the curse

1194
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,600
of the pre-flood Canaanites so
he presumably he was darker

1195
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:37,200
skin.
So all of that just to say that

1196
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:43,200
this does not equate curse with,
can't hold priesthood, even

1197
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:47,000
though it's in 1845 K.
Now we're going to jump and I

1198
01:13:47,008 --> 01:13:50,200
know there's a few others.
Jacob Adrian has a couple that

1199
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:54,200
he mentioned in the debate, but
for the sake of time, we're just

1200
01:13:54,208 --> 01:13:57,500
going to say that there are no
other statements for

1201
01:13:57,500 --> 01:14:01,700
contemporaneously recorded that
came from Joseph Smith.

1202
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,200
First hand accounts on this
subject.

1203
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:07,000
This is pretty much the body of
evidence that we have to look

1204
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,900
at.
And I think that it has been

1205
01:14:08,900 --> 01:14:13,000
very clearly established Joseph,
was not ever teaching a priest

1206
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:14,800
to ban.
He taught that there was a

1207
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:19,600
cursed but he quitted the curse
was slavery and therefore, if

1208
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:23,400
the slavery ended according to
Josephus teaching like a logical

1209
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:26,500
conclusion is the curse was
lifted.

1210
01:14:26,500 --> 01:14:31,000
So even if even, if even if it
was a curse, it got lost in

1211
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:34,000
1865.
But more importantly, he never

1212
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:38,500
withheld, priesthood from a
black member by virtue of their

1213
01:14:38,500 --> 01:14:41,300
race.
I mean, there's all these I

1214
01:14:41,300 --> 01:14:42,900
haven't presented a little later
on.

1215
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:48,300
But you know, there are
contemporaneous sources, but

1216
01:14:48,300 --> 01:14:51,100
they're not like statements, but
just records that he, he

1217
01:14:51,100 --> 01:14:55,100
authorized the ordination of
several men and we'll get to

1218
01:14:55,100 --> 01:14:57,300
that in all kind of go through
their names in a little brief

1219
01:14:57,300 --> 01:15:00,900
history of them, but let's move
to now 1847.

1220
01:15:00,900 --> 01:15:04,900
This is March and end the dino
in the debate between Justin and

1221
01:15:04,900 --> 01:15:06,500
Jacob.
This was covered pretty

1222
01:15:06,500 --> 01:15:09,900
thoroughly, so I'm just going to
call up a couple of things.

1223
01:15:09,907 --> 01:15:13,400
There was a guy named Walker
Walker Lewis, who was a convert

1224
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:16,700
to the church kind of pretending
to be a Native American.

1225
01:15:16,700 --> 01:15:22,000
He was actually the son was of a
Oh I'm sorry, William Carey

1226
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,000
Walker.
Yeah, it's good.

1227
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,000
Thank you for.
So catch me on that.

1228
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:29,500
So William McCary was a convert
to the church.

1229
01:15:29,500 --> 01:15:33,100
He was representing himself as a
Native American, because

1230
01:15:33,100 --> 01:15:36,500
actually half black, his mother
was a slave in his father is

1231
01:15:36,500 --> 01:15:39,200
probably her master.
You know, those types of things

1232
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:42,900
are hard to definitively track
down, but it it's that he knows.

1233
01:15:42,900 --> 01:15:47,100
It seems to fit the
circumstances and he had come up

1234
01:15:47,100 --> 01:15:51,400
to Winter Quarters at this point
cuz the people had left Nauvoo.

1235
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,300
And the, you know, he was
getting treated differently

1236
01:15:54,300 --> 01:15:57,300
because of his race.
And some people were basically

1237
01:15:57,300 --> 01:16:01,900
implying that Brigham and the
twelve have endorsed that your

1238
01:16:01,900 --> 01:16:04,400
lesser than us.
And so he, he requests an

1239
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:06,500
audience with bring him in the
12th and they let him in and

1240
01:16:06,500 --> 01:16:07,700
this is in the Quorum of twelve
minutes.

1241
01:16:07,700 --> 01:16:12,100
And he's like basically is what
do you think, guys?

1242
01:16:12,100 --> 01:16:15,800
A, my lesser than anybody else
because of my race because I'm a

1243
01:16:15,808 --> 01:16:19,700
little darker and he had a white
wife Inn in Brigham Young.

1244
01:16:19,700 --> 01:16:22,700
Says it.
Nothing to do with the blood for

1245
01:16:22,700 --> 01:16:25,100
of one.
Blood has God made All Flesh, we

1246
01:16:25,100 --> 01:16:27,000
have to repent and regain.
What we have lost.

1247
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:31,200
We have one of the best Elders
in an African in Lowell.

1248
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:34,200
A barber walk to Lewis so it's
to me.

1249
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:38,400
It's really interesting that
Brigham Young is going to say.

1250
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:43,200
No, we do not tolerate racism or
Prejudice or or mistreatment on

1251
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:46,900
the basis of race.
Within our people know, we are

1252
01:16:46,900 --> 01:16:51,000
all of the same blood and I into
kind of enforce this point.

1253
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:55,200
I'm going to refer to an elder,
this guy help priesthood.

1254
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:58,200
Brigham, Young is acknowledging,
The Walker Lewis Hill priesthood

1255
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:03,000
and calls him an elder in up in
in New England and and Soma

1256
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:06,300
carry then says, thanks.
It ain't know if I'm a darky, I

1257
01:17:06,300 --> 01:17:10,700
want to serve God.
So he expresses his desire, his

1258
01:17:10,700 --> 01:17:13,100
heart and and Brigham Young
says, amen.

1259
01:17:13,100 --> 01:17:18,000
And then he goes and mcaree goes
on and thanks them and is

1260
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:21,900
Express his gratitude.
He says I'm at I'm not a leader.

1261
01:17:21,900 --> 01:17:24,500
I'm just calling brother because
I'm a little shade darker and

1262
01:17:24,500 --> 01:17:27,900
bring him young again.
Volunteers, we don't care about

1263
01:17:27,900 --> 01:17:31,000
the color and when they carry is
like, do I hear that from

1264
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:33,200
everyone here?
Is just a Brigham?

1265
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,000
Are you speaking for yourself?
Or are you speaking for

1266
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:39,300
everyone?
And everyone says I everyone

1267
01:17:39,300 --> 01:17:42,200
says I and then he receive
Kindle says don't you feel good

1268
01:17:42,208 --> 01:17:43,800
spirit here brother William &
Carey.

1269
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:51,100
Yes, thank God.
So this is March 26th 1847 and I

1270
01:17:51,100 --> 01:17:58,300
think that this is super
important because this is Again,

1271
01:17:58,300 --> 01:18:01,300
contemporaneously recorded in
these are from the minutes

1272
01:18:01,300 --> 01:18:07,800
taking at the meeting and and it
shows Brigham if he had any Navy

1273
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:10,400
predispositions or kind of
prejudices.

1274
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:14,500
I think he was sincerely trying
to overcome them and trying to

1275
01:18:14,500 --> 01:18:15,900
go out of his way to hell.
No.

1276
01:18:15,900 --> 01:18:19,100
And so it wasn't just these
words that he actually raised

1277
01:18:19,100 --> 01:18:23,300
$150, which is in today's
dollars like fifteen Grand to

1278
01:18:23,300 --> 01:18:27,300
help me carry by wagon and
supplies to cross to the, you

1279
01:18:27,300 --> 01:18:31,500
know, to win the Saints.
To go west and in good faith.

1280
01:18:31,500 --> 01:18:37,400
Brigham in the 12 extended this,
but, but tragically just a few

1281
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:41,100
days later, I got just a couple
weeks later, they come to find

1282
01:18:41,100 --> 01:18:46,600
out nikeri had been a fraud, and
he had been seducing, a lot of

1283
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:49,600
white women.
Two-player Ali, marry him.

1284
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:53,400
In other words, just have
married relations with him, but

1285
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:54,600
it was outside of Priests of
channels.

1286
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:57,700
It was not even.
It was his like a Johnson.

1287
01:18:57,700 --> 01:19:02,500
Bennett type of situation, not
anyting sanctioned in by the

1288
01:19:02,500 --> 01:19:05,900
ordinances.
And so, he was clearly

1289
01:19:05,900 --> 01:19:09,900
excommunicated for the Scandal
and it stirred up a lot of hard

1290
01:19:09,900 --> 01:19:14,900
feelings against him.
But, unfortunately, it, it seems

1291
01:19:14,900 --> 01:19:18,300
that because of his race and
because of the previous

1292
01:19:18,300 --> 01:19:23,800
teachings about the curse and
the in the Mark or the darker

1293
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:27,500
skin, the black people being the
descendants of accursed race or

1294
01:19:27,500 --> 01:19:29,800
whatever.
Like I think this is the turning

1295
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,300
point.
I think this is the Catalyst

1296
01:19:32,300 --> 01:19:36,200
because we have to look at it at
in in context.

1297
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:40,700
Is it more likely that Brigham
Young in March 1847?

1298
01:19:41,500 --> 01:19:45,900
Is being trying to be consistent
and follow the precedent

1299
01:19:45,900 --> 01:19:50,300
established by Joseph Smith.
Or is it more likely that

1300
01:19:50,300 --> 01:19:55,300
Brigham Young 1852 when he
announces the priesthood that is

1301
01:19:55,300 --> 01:19:59,600
reflecting and in following the
president established by Joseph

1302
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,000
Smith?
Tell me this is the Watershed

1303
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,600
and this is the proof and I en't
you know from a from a human

1304
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:09,100
standpoint, I get it.
Did you get burned by somebody

1305
01:20:09,100 --> 01:20:17,000
it hurts and and not just money.
But you know, your women people

1306
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:20,100
that the trusted you to protect
them and they're being exploited

1307
01:20:20,100 --> 01:20:24,500
by this Dirtbag.
Like I get it you had every

1308
01:20:24,500 --> 01:20:26,900
right to be pissed.
But what he would I think that

1309
01:20:26,900 --> 01:20:32,100
he made a mistake of doing is is
seeing the man's race instead of

1310
01:20:32,100 --> 01:20:35,200
looking at him as an individual
and holding him personal account

1311
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:38,300
of personally accountable for
his actions and made it about

1312
01:20:38,300 --> 01:20:41,300
his race.
Thanks.

1313
01:20:41,300 --> 01:20:47,900
So now shortly after this about
a week or 4 weeks, later just

1314
01:20:47,900 --> 01:20:50,900
less than a month.
We have the first

1315
01:20:50,900 --> 01:20:54,400
contemporaneously recorded
statement from any church

1316
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:57,000
leader.
In this dispensation explicitly

1317
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:00,400
linking, the concept of racial
cursing, with the concept of

1318
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:03,400
priesthood eligibility.
This comes from Harley Pratt

1319
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:07,400
comes from a meeting minutes of
a general meeting on April 25th

1320
01:21:07,500 --> 01:21:10,300
1847.
He says William and Carrie was a

1321
01:21:10,300 --> 01:21:14,800
black man with the blood of ham
in him which lineage was cursed

1322
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:20,500
as regards, the priest.
So this is the watershed this is

1323
01:21:20,500 --> 01:21:25,200
the time when the concept of the
racial curse is linked with the

1324
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:28,900
priesthood and and talks about
the blood of hands like I'm in

1325
01:21:28,900 --> 01:21:32,600
mystery first time in in
contemporaneously recorded

1326
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:33,700
history.
Now there are later

1327
01:21:33,700 --> 01:21:37,100
Recollections that try to push
the date prior to that but there

1328
01:21:37,100 --> 01:21:41,700
is no contemporaneous record
prior to 1847. 25th 1847.

1329
01:21:43,900 --> 01:21:50,100
Now, the next month.
So in May, there's a guy up in

1330
01:21:50,100 --> 01:21:56,200
New England know in at Lowell
New York, which you will recall

1331
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:58,100
is what Brigham Young was
talking about.

1332
01:21:58,100 --> 01:22:01,900
So there is a guy named William
Appleby and he was presiding

1333
01:22:01,900 --> 01:22:05,100
Elder in New York kind of left
behind by John Taylor.

1334
01:22:05,100 --> 01:22:09,300
When when brother Taylor went
West to join the Saints and he

1335
01:22:09,300 --> 01:22:13,100
says in a letter written in his
journal quote, in this Branch,

1336
01:22:13,100 --> 01:22:17,100
there's a colored brother, an
elder ordained by Elder William

1337
01:22:17,100 --> 01:22:19,700
Smith, while he was a member of
the church, contrary to the

1338
01:22:19,700 --> 01:22:22,300
order of the church or the law
of the priesthood, as the

1339
01:22:22,300 --> 01:22:24,800
descendants of ham are not
entitled to that privilege.

1340
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:28,900
So that's in parentheses this
concept of William Smith.

1341
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:34,600
By the name of Walker Lewis, he
appears to be a Meek humble,

1342
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:38,600
man, and an example for his
wider Brethren to follow.

1343
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:42,500
So this is significant for a
couple of reasons.

1344
01:22:42,500 --> 01:22:46,800
Number one, it's it's after the
party Pratt statement, and he

1345
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:50,800
had been in correspondence with
the brethren in Winter quarters.

1346
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:55,200
And so again, I think that
corroborates that this is that

1347
01:22:55,200 --> 01:23:00,500
that April 1847 is the watershed
moment when the church departed

1348
01:23:00,500 --> 01:23:03,200
from the precedent established
by Joseph Smith and instituted

1349
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:08,100
and began teaching this concept
of racial priesthood

1350
01:23:08,100 --> 01:23:10,700
relationship, that you couldn't
hold the priesthood.

1351
01:23:10,700 --> 01:23:15,500
If you are of a certain race and
interesting, Lisa, William Smith

1352
01:23:15,500 --> 01:23:17,900
that this point was, I was
excommunicated.

1353
01:23:17,900 --> 01:23:21,200
He had been, he's Joseph Smith
little brother, he had been a

1354
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:25,600
member of the 12, but he was
excommunicated by Brigham in the

1355
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:29,300
12, because he was kind of a
stinker and he was a serious

1356
01:23:29,300 --> 01:23:33,000
rival and he Because of his
relationship to Joseph and Hyrum

1357
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:35,400
as a Smith.
He had a lot of influence.

1358
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:37,300
And so he was kind of a big
threat.

1359
01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:40,900
And so people who were
sympathetic or or had allegiance

1360
01:23:40,900 --> 01:23:44,500
to Brigham in the 12, we're
looking for every excuse, they

1361
01:23:44,500 --> 01:23:50,200
could think of to do, you know,
say, William Smith was not the

1362
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:53,300
right guy and you know, bringing
was had the rightful heir of

1363
01:23:53,300 --> 01:23:57,800
soaking the successor.
And so that's significant,

1364
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:02,600
because there is a record now,
it's not contemporaneously

1365
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:07,900
recorded, but there is a record
that Walker Lewis was not

1366
01:24:07,900 --> 01:24:10,700
ordained by William Smith, but
actually buy parley.

1367
01:24:10,700 --> 01:24:14,300
Keep Pratt.
But again, I don't know if that

1368
01:24:14,300 --> 01:24:18,000
if that's reliable because it
was not contemporaneously

1369
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,200
recorded and I don't, I have
been able to find.

1370
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:23,600
I don't know if the church has a
record of his of Opelousas

1371
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:29,400
ordination certificate But if a
do I have been able to find it.

1372
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:36,900
So regardless, so he talks about
walker-lewis being of

1373
01:24:36,900 --> 01:24:40,200
unimpeachable character.
He's an example for his wider

1374
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:48,000
brother in the follow.
So, so next statement is Brigham

1375
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:51,100
Young.
Now I included this because I

1376
01:24:51,100 --> 01:24:53,500
think it's important.
You know, most of the time you,

1377
01:24:53,500 --> 01:24:58,900
you won't read this unless
you're getting an tied, because

1378
01:24:58,900 --> 01:25:03,000
these are anti-mormon love to,
to throw stuff like this in your

1379
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:07,500
face when you're in a church
Paradigm because it's like

1380
01:25:07,500 --> 01:25:10,900
trying to shock and all you and
trying to shake your faith.

1381
01:25:10,900 --> 01:25:15,000
And, you know, cuz you have your
idolatry of will, the Breath of

1382
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,700
God won't let the Brethren.
Leave the church astray and that

1383
01:25:17,700 --> 01:25:20,400
the church is infallible in all
these Traditions.

1384
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:24,300
Oh yeah.
Look at what Brigham Young said

1385
01:25:24,300 --> 01:25:27,700
in 1852.
It's like, it offends the

1386
01:25:27,700 --> 01:25:30,300
spirit, it does, offend, my
spirit, some of these things

1387
01:25:30,300 --> 01:25:34,500
that bring him young, says are
offensive to me, but I'm not

1388
01:25:34,500 --> 01:25:37,100
going to throw Brigham under the
bus because of it.

1389
01:25:37,100 --> 01:25:40,400
It's, it's just so I wanted to
present this in its entirety.

1390
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:44,700
I didn't get the entire thing.
because, but it says it as, as

1391
01:25:44,700 --> 01:25:47,900
complete of a record of the
transcript of his speech,

1392
01:25:47,900 --> 01:25:51,800
everything to do with this
subject, as I could find, and

1393
01:25:53,500 --> 01:25:57,000
You know, just looking for
noticing the time I don't want

1394
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:00,300
to go and get to bog down, you
can read it again, blacks in the

1395
01:26:00,308 --> 01:26:03,700
priesthood, all of these things,
you can go and look up on the

1396
01:26:03,700 --> 01:26:06,900
website and you can go and just
Google any of these sources.

1397
01:26:06,900 --> 01:26:09,800
I clued, I included all of the
citations, the reference is.

1398
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:11,100
So you can independently
corroborated.

1399
01:26:11,100 --> 01:26:14,700
All this stuff for yourself.
I'm not asking anybody to take

1400
01:26:14,700 --> 01:26:18,400
my word for any of this and I
put the quotes in italics.

1401
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:23,300
So this very clear, where does
the source documents end?

1402
01:26:23,300 --> 01:26:25,800
And my commentary begins.
Cuz I want to be very clear.

1403
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:29,200
I have a bias.
I have some very strong

1404
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:31,400
conclusions.
I'm very confident in them.

1405
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:36,900
And so it it is there but you
can skip my thoughts and just

1406
01:26:36,900 --> 01:26:39,300
read the source documents if you
want.

1407
01:26:39,300 --> 01:26:42,600
And it's all there.
He said some very incendiary

1408
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:49,900
just hyperbolic things.
He just goes so far and Talking

1409
01:26:49,900 --> 01:26:53,900
about cutting off heads, if we
were to intermarry and, you

1410
01:26:53,900 --> 01:26:58,400
know, I will not consent for one
moment to have an African

1411
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:00,800
dictate, me, or any brother and
with regard to church or state

1412
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:10,200
government, you know.
But but These remarks are very

1413
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:14,400
important to consider in the
context of this question and I

1414
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:18,200
ate, I believe, just from a
spiritual level, you read all of

1415
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:23,400
the statements prior to this end
and I feel like the spirit is,

1416
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:25,600
is peace.
When you read them, I feel like

1417
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:28,800
the spirit, the fruits of those
statements are a defying.

1418
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:32,200
It's, it's kind of it, maybe a,
a difficult subject kind of an

1419
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:35,900
uncomfortable thing to in a wolf
slavery is not a pretty thing.

1420
01:27:35,900 --> 01:27:38,800
It's kind of an ugly thing.
And, you know when Joseph Smith

1421
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:42,000
was talking about the the
concept it may not be something

1422
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,700
that you would like to choose
out to you and I go out and seek

1423
01:27:44,700 --> 01:27:47,700
but it does not offend the
spirit these words from Brigham

1424
01:27:47,700 --> 01:27:53,400
in this discourse, you know, do
not ring true in my heart, when

1425
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:56,400
I first read them coming in and
out of the church into

1426
01:27:56,400 --> 01:28:00,400
fundamentalism.
It brought Darkness, I'll just

1427
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:02,200
be completely honest.
This is my subjective

1428
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:04,000
experience, but it was not
edifying.

1429
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:09,600
It was more like a, wow, I don't
like it.

1430
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:13,900
But if it's true, I guess I'll
accept it and just going back to

1431
01:28:13,900 --> 01:28:19,500
that, you know, accepting it and
and even defending it.

1432
01:28:19,500 --> 01:28:22,200
I mean, there were years there
were there been times where the

1433
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:26,300
year that I deleted Facebook
years ago but before I deleted

1434
01:28:26,300 --> 01:28:28,800
Facebook, I used to be engaged
and I used to defend the band

1435
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,200
and defend Brigham Young,
because the people who were

1436
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:34,000
criticizing him over it, where
anti-mormon is trying to destroy

1437
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:38,900
your face in in restoration and
the temple and, you know, Denver

1438
01:28:38,900 --> 01:28:41,100
Snuffer and and, and those types
of folks.

1439
01:28:41,100 --> 01:28:46,200
And so I would defend the band
but it is kind of a losing

1440
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:48,800
battle.
Like this is really if you look

1441
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:52,800
at the statement in its entirety
it is indefensible it flies in

1442
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:55,200
the face of the teachings of
Joseph as well as multiple

1443
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:58,400
scriptures.
And so I would encourage if you

1444
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:01,500
haven't ever read it in full.
I would encourage you at

1445
01:29:01,500 --> 01:29:06,100
Fundamentalist 6 to go in and
really look at this and decide.

1446
01:29:06,100 --> 01:29:11,700
If this is, if this is of god,
you can't defend her except

1447
01:29:11,700 --> 01:29:13,400
something.
If you've never looked at, you

1448
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:16,600
shouldn't just accept something.
If you've never actually even

1449
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:19,900
read it and and take it in
prayer.

1450
01:29:19,900 --> 01:29:25,400
So, just the last statement that
the primary statement that I

1451
01:29:25,407 --> 01:29:29,200
felt was important to include is
a Dream from Jose Hancock.

1452
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:31,900
Now this was my favorite.
What, back when I used to defend

1453
01:29:31,900 --> 01:29:37,000
the band, this is my favorite.
You no evidence or resource to

1454
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:41,100
draw from because it was the
only thing that kind of tried to

1455
01:29:41,100 --> 01:29:46,400
make sense and and rat in a
provide, a theological framework

1456
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:50,500
they could make this band thing.
Pork and make sense.

1457
01:29:50,500 --> 01:29:55,900
And and so it's interesting
though that he he recalls having

1458
01:29:55,900 --> 01:29:59,500
this dream In 1855, but it's not
actually written down until

1459
01:29:59,500 --> 01:30:04,300
1865.
So again there there could be a

1460
01:30:04,300 --> 01:30:07,600
desire to bump.
This is early into the timeline

1461
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:11,200
as possible.
But, you know, if we take mosiah

1462
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:14,600
Hancock and his recollection, 10
years later at at face value,

1463
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:18,400
this happened, three years after
Brigham, Young is 1852 address

1464
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:22,900
to clearing the van and he talks
about how one third of the males

1465
01:30:22,900 --> 01:30:27,000
and females refuse to pick sides
in the premortal.

1466
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,800
You know, the war in heaven, you
know, cuz in the war in heaven,

1467
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:33,000
that the account, the most of us
think of his will everybody that

1468
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,100
takes 8 and got cast out of
heaven.

1469
01:30:35,100 --> 01:30:38,200
And everybody else is just, you
know, if you're bored in this

1470
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:41,200
world, you're part of that
family and your that's a part of

1471
01:30:41,208 --> 01:30:44,800
the family and and you were on
God's side.

1472
01:30:46,100 --> 01:30:51,500
This suggests a concept that
there was a third group, those

1473
01:30:51,500 --> 01:30:55,000
who supported Lucifer, those who
supported God and his plan and

1474
01:30:55,008 --> 01:30:57,700
Christ, and a third group who
were neutral.

1475
01:30:57,700 --> 01:31:03,600
And you know this, that these
folks did not take sides.

1476
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:11,300
And as a result They were born
into a race of servants.

1477
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:16,700
So, well, I'll let you continue,
then.

1478
01:31:16,700 --> 01:31:19,400
I'll throw my two cents in cuz I
have a feeling that you have

1479
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:23,000
something to say about that.
Yeah, I do.

1480
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:27,300
I wanted to present it as a
primary source though because

1481
01:31:27,300 --> 01:31:32,400
you know other people later on
in the timeline made statements

1482
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:35,300
and and even claim that went
back to the days of Joseph for

1483
01:31:35,300 --> 01:31:38,800
the the Joseph himself taught
these types of things but all of

1484
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:41,600
these came decades after
Joseph's death.

1485
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:45,900
And so I'm considering those all
secondary statements with which

1486
01:31:45,900 --> 01:31:50,200
month with much later record
Recollections and Sprite.

1487
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:55,200
I think this is the novel the
the the the groundbreaking

1488
01:31:55,200 --> 01:32:00,600
pioneering respective that
began.

1489
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:03,500
It was a retroactive responds to
people.

1490
01:32:03,500 --> 01:32:07,900
Sincerely trying to understand
Brigham's policy of the priests

1491
01:32:07,900 --> 01:32:11,800
of Ben.
And and you know, it's kind of

1492
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:15,600
an admirable job.
You know, I thought that was the

1493
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:20,300
only thing that got me to the
kind of accepted for for many

1494
01:32:20,300 --> 01:32:25,800
years.
And, and, and if it was true, I

1495
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:27,100
would, it would it would be
true.

1496
01:32:27,100 --> 01:32:29,800
But the question is, is it true
or not?

1497
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:32,800
Did it did it, did it originate
with Joseph?

1498
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:34,900
It was okay.
So the last couple of primary

1499
01:32:34,900 --> 01:32:39,000
sources are the folks that were
ordained to the priesthood, the

1500
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:43,600
either we have contemporaneous
records cat like documentation

1501
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:48,900
supporting that, or who we have
actual or Nation records in many

1502
01:32:48,900 --> 01:32:53,000
instances or they were like,
documented as being missionary

1503
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:55,900
companions to, you know, people
in the 12 or whatever, like,

1504
01:32:55,900 --> 01:32:57,600
clearly, these men held
priesthood.

1505
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:04,100
The first one is Elijah table.
Is a 70 and he is just such a

1506
01:33:04,100 --> 01:33:08,500
amazing guy, an example for his
wider brother, and those of us

1507
01:33:08,500 --> 01:33:12,500
to follow, in my opinion, and
we'll talk about a really

1508
01:33:12,500 --> 01:33:18,800
beautiful account later on.
It is a primary, it is a primary

1509
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:22,600
statement, but it's, it's from,
like, 50 years after the fact.

1510
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:26,600
So I put it kind of more in the,
the secondary statements

1511
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:29,900
grouping.
But so then that other notable

1512
01:33:29,900 --> 01:33:31,500
names, we've already talked
about Walker Lewis.

1513
01:33:31,500 --> 01:33:36,300
He was ordained and Elder.
And and regardless of whether

1514
01:33:36,300 --> 01:33:38,000
William Smith apology, Pratt
ordained him.

1515
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:42,300
Brigham Young acknowledges, his
priesthood office in those

1516
01:33:42,300 --> 01:33:44,400
Quorum of twelve minutes when
he's having that conversation

1517
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:49,700
with William McHenry.
Joseph t-ball was a half,

1518
01:33:49,700 --> 01:33:53,300
Jamaican then he was a
missionary companion to Wilford

1519
01:33:53,300 --> 01:33:58,400
Woodruff in January of 1838 and
he received baptisms for the

1520
01:33:58,407 --> 01:34:01,500
dead in the nausea.
I'll do in 1840 one.

1521
01:34:01,500 --> 01:34:06,800
Now we do not have his
ordination certificate but he

1522
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:09,500
was a missionary companion to
Wilford Woodruff like they were

1523
01:34:09,500 --> 01:34:14,800
not sending non-mission on
non-treated holders on missions,

1524
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:16,800
right?
And so to me, that's pretty

1525
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:20,400
strong evidence that he was
ordained and he did later fall

1526
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:23,300
away and and you know, but so
did a lot of people and you're

1527
01:34:23,300 --> 01:34:25,900
James strane, we're not saying
that those guys never held the

1528
01:34:25,907 --> 01:34:27,900
priest it either.
So let's be consistent.

1529
01:34:27,900 --> 01:34:30,400
The last guy I'm going to bring
up his Peter Kerr.

1530
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:33,800
He was a freed.
Slave converted, the church in

1531
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:36,700
the early 1830s.
He was at least ordained to the

1532
01:34:36,700 --> 01:34:39,200
office of a priest and indeed
performed baptisms.

1533
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:42,300
For other people that were
converting to the into the face.

1534
01:34:42,300 --> 01:34:46,400
Interesting thing we have at
least one documented

1535
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:50,600
conversation between people And
Joseph Smith, Peter Carew was

1536
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:53,200
contemplating marriage with a
white girl.

1537
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:56,500
Name Lavina Williams age
fourteen at the time.

1538
01:34:56,508 --> 01:35:01,900
And while it is documented, the
Joseph declined to seek

1539
01:35:01,900 --> 01:35:05,600
Revelation cuz could Peter Peter
came to Joseph asking him, hey,

1540
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:08,000
can you get Revelation?
Is this God's will for me to

1541
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,400
marry Lavina Williams Lavina?
I don't know how you pronounce

1542
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:14,400
Lavina or Lavina.
Joseph said not.

1543
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:18,400
I'm not going to go seek
Revelation for another man's

1544
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:23,100
personal decision to marry what
is notably absent is Joseph

1545
01:35:23,100 --> 01:35:28,900
saying anything against
intermarriage on principle Okay,

1546
01:35:28,900 --> 01:35:32,300
so I have a question in this
goes to something else but it's

1547
01:35:32,300 --> 01:35:33,400
something I want to squirrel
away.

1548
01:35:33,407 --> 01:35:38,100
Just Joseph actually say
something to the effect of.

1549
01:35:38,100 --> 01:35:42,100
I'm not going to get Revelation
for marrying who you marry.

1550
01:35:42,100 --> 01:35:46,100
It's it's not like I refuse to
do that.

1551
01:35:46,100 --> 01:35:49,800
It's I don't do that from me
since okay.

1552
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:59,000
Okay secondary statement.
So this we're going to first go

1553
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:06,200
to a guy named dance and call.
And in this he kind of Express

1554
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:10,100
is a lot of similar Sentiments
of the Mosaic Hancock dream.

1555
01:36:10,100 --> 01:36:13,900
But the thing that's new here is
Anson call attributes.

1556
01:36:13,900 --> 01:36:17,800
Into Joseph Smith in East taste
talked about how Adam comes in

1557
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:19,700
because he's oertel and the
Grand Prix.

1558
01:36:19,700 --> 01:36:22,500
Mortal Council some Spirits
didn't take part in the Great

1559
01:36:22,500 --> 01:36:24,200
Rebellion at all.
They were called neutral

1560
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:25,800
Spirits.
They were on the fence and when

1561
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:29,100
Cain kill his brother Abel, God,
place his skin Blackness upon

1562
01:36:29,100 --> 01:36:31,400
Him is the first of atoms race.
And through the posterity of

1563
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:33,900
ham, this seed was propagated
through the flood.

1564
01:36:33,900 --> 01:36:36,200
The neutral Spirits, in heaven
possess.

1565
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:43,700
These black bodies.
So So this is the first time or

1566
01:36:43,700 --> 01:36:47,200
the first chronological evidence
that we have somebody a true

1567
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:51,400
reading that that concept of
neutral spirits to Joseph Smith,

1568
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:57,100
but was it significant is this
was not documented until 1877

1569
01:36:57,100 --> 01:36:59,400
over 30 years after Joseph's
death.

1570
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:05,100
And also very in my mind,
pertinent to.

1571
01:37:05,108 --> 01:37:11,000
This question is a statement
from Brigham Young in 1869 where

1572
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:12,900
so Wilford Woodruff is the
person.

1573
01:37:12,900 --> 01:37:14,300
This isn't Wilford Woodruff
Journal.

1574
01:37:14,300 --> 01:37:15,300
So he's the one taking these
notes.

1575
01:37:15,300 --> 01:37:19,500
And Brigham Young says.
Well, somebody's, somebody, so

1576
01:37:19,500 --> 01:37:21,900
there is it's Wilford.
Woodruff says, I attended the

1577
01:37:21,900 --> 01:37:23,800
school of the prophets.
Many questions were asked,

1578
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:28,700
president young answered them,
Lorenzo Snow Lorenzo, you asked

1579
01:37:28,700 --> 01:37:33,300
if the spirits of black saints
were neutral in heaven.

1580
01:37:33,300 --> 01:37:39,300
He said someone said, Joseph
Smith said they were president

1581
01:37:39,300 --> 01:37:41,400
Young.
Said no, they were not.

1582
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:43,900
There were no neutral Spirits in
heaven.

1583
01:37:43,900 --> 01:37:47,300
At the time of the Rebellion all
took sides, president.

1584
01:37:47,300 --> 01:37:50,200
Young said if anyone said that
he heard the Prophet Joseph say

1585
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:53,900
that the spirits of the black
for neutral in heaven he Brigham

1586
01:37:53,900 --> 01:37:56,500
Young would not believe them for
he heard.

1587
01:37:56,500 --> 01:38:01,000
Joseph say to the contrary all
Spirits are pure that come from

1588
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:05,200
the presence of God.
But the spirits are pure that

1589
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:07,400
enter the Tabernacles.
And there will be a chance for

1590
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:09,900
the Redemption of all the
children of atom, except the

1591
01:38:09,900 --> 01:38:14,800
sons of perdition.
Now that is super significant

1592
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:19,400
because of all people to
definitively refute that

1593
01:38:19,407 --> 01:38:23,400
doctrine of neutral, spirits,
and whatever Brigham Young says.

1594
01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:26,700
And I think, I think Brigham
Young was a straight shooter.

1595
01:38:26,700 --> 01:38:28,800
He would not like makeup
something.

1596
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:32,700
He was interesting Lee enough
and significantly Brigham Young.

1597
01:38:32,700 --> 01:38:34,900
Never once attributed, the
priests of Dan to Joseph Smith

1598
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:39,900
Reviewing had no problem at
reading things to Joseph that

1599
01:38:39,900 --> 01:38:43,900
came from Joseph like, plural
marriage, the temple endowment.

1600
01:38:43,900 --> 01:38:47,100
Adam God teaching, like he had
no problem whatsoever,

1601
01:38:47,100 --> 01:38:49,500
attributing to Joseph things
that you learned from Joseph.

1602
01:38:49,500 --> 01:38:53,800
He never once attributed, the
priesthood Banta Joseph Smith,

1603
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:59,000
what he did to the contrary.
Actually, he said, Joseph taught

1604
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:01,200
that there were no neutral
Spirits in heaven.

1605
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:06,600
Completely refuting, you know,
and so was I Hancock.

1606
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:12,600
I think that the dream is
interesting and I completely

1607
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:17,000
understand that, sometimes you
can have dreams that match your

1608
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:21,600
psychological State at the time
and can give you some insight,

1609
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:23,800
that doesn't prove that the
dream is true.

1610
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:31,600
And so like you know what's even
look at Famous dream in our

1611
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:34,600
scriptures, the dream of the
Tree of Life.

1612
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:39,600
Lehi sees this dream.
And he sees, Laman and Lemuel.

1613
01:39:41,100 --> 01:39:44,400
Not make it Nephi.
Sees the same dream.

1614
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:48,100
Sees the same outcome.
Did Lehigh ever give up on,

1615
01:39:48,100 --> 01:39:51,200
Lemmon and Lemuel?
Did he, did he ever treat him

1616
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:54,900
different from anyone else?
His other sons did Nephi ever

1617
01:39:54,900 --> 01:40:02,200
give up on his brother and no?
So so, yeah, I think the dreams

1618
01:40:02,200 --> 01:40:05,200
can be significant.
I think it is important to, you

1619
01:40:05,200 --> 01:40:07,400
know, to the, to the
acknowledged that some dreams

1620
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:12,500
can come from God, but just
because a good guy, had a dream

1621
01:40:12,500 --> 01:40:14,900
doesn't mean that it's Doctrine
or true.

1622
01:40:14,900 --> 01:40:19,500
And I am certainly doesn't say
that, just dismissed Audits, and

1623
01:40:19,500 --> 01:40:21,000
that's kind of where we're at
is.

1624
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:25,600
Brigham Young adamantly refused
this concept that of of the

1625
01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:28,700
steel, logical, rational,
explanation for the ban on the

1626
01:40:28,700 --> 01:40:31,700
basis of neutral Spirits in
heaven, right?

1627
01:40:33,700 --> 01:40:37,000
All right, so you'll notice,
there are no more primer

1628
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:38,900
statements.
All the recipes are secondary.

1629
01:40:38,900 --> 01:40:45,500
This next one from Joseph F
Smith is, it is true that the

1630
01:40:45,500 --> 01:40:48,800
black race is barred from
holding the priest in this has

1631
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:50,900
always been the case.
The Prophet Joseph Smith taught

1632
01:40:50,900 --> 01:40:53,300
this Doctrine.
Joseph Smith was five when

1633
01:40:53,300 --> 01:40:57,400
Joseph and his dad were killed.
So this attribution is very

1634
01:40:57,400 --> 01:41:01,600
unlikely to be first hand.
It's probably they stopped

1635
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:04,600
testimonies he heard from other
men later in his life and so I

1636
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:06,800
don't I don't think they should
be considered a primary source

1637
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:09,900
at all.
It's probably secondary possibly

1638
01:41:09,900 --> 01:41:12,400
even tertiary and any thoughts
on that or?

1639
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:14,700
No.
No, I think I think so.

1640
01:41:14,700 --> 01:41:21,100
I think if the guys 5, it's
pretty hard to say that you

1641
01:41:21,100 --> 01:41:24,900
remember anything from when you
were five, write my more least.

1642
01:41:24,900 --> 01:41:27,100
I don't maybe there are folks
that can.

1643
01:41:27,100 --> 01:41:30,700
But boy, I sure can't.
So, yeah.

1644
01:41:30,700 --> 01:41:33,600
And a doctrinal, nuanced in a
controversial subject.

1645
01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:38,500
Yeah, and so I am with you, I
think on that one.

1646
01:41:38,500 --> 01:41:41,100
He's taken that from from
somebody else.

1647
01:41:41,100 --> 01:41:44,400
Who said they remembered Joseph
Smith saying something like

1648
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:46,900
that.
All right?

1649
01:41:46,900 --> 01:41:52,600
Next to this is also George Q
Cannon, and I've had folks like

1650
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:56,700
fundamentalist friends who have
presented this to me and then

1651
01:41:56,700 --> 01:41:59,200
basically tried to give you the
same weight as a primary

1652
01:41:59,200 --> 01:42:02,000
statements.
But let me read it, I understood

1653
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:06,100
that the Prophet Joseph had said
during his lifetime, that there

1654
01:42:06,100 --> 01:42:07,600
would be a great wrong
perpetrated.

1655
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:10,500
If the end of Cain were allowed
to have the priest before a

1656
01:42:10,500 --> 01:42:12,400
table should have austerity to
receive it.

1657
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:15,100
And this curse there for was to
remain upon the seat of Caine,

1658
01:42:15,100 --> 01:42:17,500
until the time should come to a
table, should be get spirits in

1659
01:42:17,500 --> 01:42:20,500
the external world and those
Spirits obtained Tabernacles

1660
01:42:21,500 --> 01:42:26,300
This to me is significant
because I understood that the

1661
01:42:26,300 --> 01:42:29,400
Prophet Joseph had said it is
too.

1662
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:33,500
To me clear evidence that this
is not as primary state.

1663
01:42:34,700 --> 01:42:37,200
I know that this is a secondary
statement.

1664
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:42,000
Well, in You know what?
I'm going to save a lot of my my

1665
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:49,900
thoughts for the end here and
does is he basically says that

1666
01:42:49,900 --> 01:42:55,200
the seed of a cable needed to
have posterity in the Eternal

1667
01:42:55,200 --> 01:43:00,300
Worlds and those Spirits obtain
Tabernacles before the seed of

1668
01:43:00,300 --> 01:43:04,500
Kane could have an opportunity
to receive the priesthood.

1669
01:43:04,500 --> 01:43:09,000
That is very different from what
Brigham Young taught and most

1670
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:11,700
others.
Most others taught that the

1671
01:43:11,700 --> 01:43:15,000
that, you know, basically at the
end of the Millennium is when

1672
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:18,600
the blacks would be able to have
the opportunity but George

1673
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:22,600
Roberts who Cannon is going
clear into basically the next

1674
01:43:22,600 --> 01:43:25,900
creation.
You know, for that to be a

1675
01:43:25,900 --> 01:43:28,800
thing.
I want to come back to George to

1676
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:33,500
Cannon because I think He is
somebody that we have to

1677
01:43:33,500 --> 01:43:38,900
seriously examine because he had
a lot to do with some later

1678
01:43:38,900 --> 01:43:41,800
things in the 1890s, but we're
just going to keep moving on for

1679
01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:47,700
now.
So this is from Orson Hyde and

1680
01:43:47,700 --> 01:43:54,900
this is a recollection.
And so, there's a guy named

1681
01:43:54,900 --> 01:44:05,900
Allen Joseph Stout and he
basically, in 1839 recalls, an

1682
01:44:05,900 --> 01:44:08,800
experience where he comes across
a person, hide, and horse and

1683
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:10,200
hide.
At this point in the Cortland

1684
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:14,300
area had apostatize died during
during that Kirtland history,

1685
01:44:14,300 --> 01:44:19,900
but or resent hide, according to
Allen Joseph, Stout told him

1686
01:44:19,900 --> 01:44:22,900
that he had seen a vision in,
which it was made known to him.

1687
01:44:22,900 --> 01:44:25,300
That if he did not make an
immediate restitution to the

1688
01:44:25,300 --> 01:44:28,400
Quorum of The Twelve, he would
be cut off and all his posterity

1689
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:35,400
and that the curse of Cain would
be upon him. so, I think that

1690
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:42,100
this is significant for a couple
of things reasons, because this

1691
01:44:42,100 --> 01:44:46,100
is an interesting statement, you
think that the apostasy it is,

1692
01:44:46,100 --> 01:44:50,900
okay, so if the curse of Cain is
black skin, And Orson Hyde was

1693
01:44:50,900 --> 01:44:54,100
worried that if he apostatize
didn't didn't reconcile with the

1694
01:44:54,100 --> 01:44:56,200
12, he would receive the curse
of Cain.

1695
01:44:56,200 --> 01:44:59,500
Is he actually suggesting that
he would become a black man.

1696
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:03,900
Well, that's an interesting
question.

1697
01:45:03,900 --> 01:45:06,500
It depends how literal he's
taking this right?

1698
01:45:06,500 --> 01:45:12,300
It is is is John C Bennett?
Did he die a white man or black

1699
01:45:12,300 --> 01:45:15,700
man.
He died a white man, send it.

1700
01:45:15,700 --> 01:45:19,300
So, okay, so if it's not a
literal changing of the skin

1701
01:45:19,300 --> 01:45:23,000
color is he suggesting that he
could be adopted into the

1702
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:25,200
lineage of Cain and inherit
those curses.

1703
01:45:26,900 --> 01:45:31,700
I suppose if you screw up and
and whatnot that's entirely

1704
01:45:31,700 --> 01:45:35,500
possible price her.
So, if that is the case,

1705
01:45:35,500 --> 01:45:39,800
wouldn't the corollary.
Apply that if you repent and

1706
01:45:39,800 --> 01:45:44,600
obey the laws of the Gospel, you
could be adopted into the Seed

1707
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:49,100
of Abraham and receive God's
blessings on your kind of, some

1708
01:45:49,100 --> 01:45:50,400
of the scriptural points were
going to be.

1709
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:56,900
Okay, moving on secondary
statement 6, this is John

1710
01:45:56,900 --> 01:45:59,800
Taylor.
And, you know, again, this is

1711
01:45:59,800 --> 01:46:03,200
stuff that I have heard
attributed like that.

1712
01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:07,400
He was saying what Joseph it
said, but there's no evidence

1713
01:46:07,400 --> 01:46:09,100
for that.
So did President John Taylor

1714
01:46:09,100 --> 01:46:12,600
said, it seemed that in his case
is Elijah able.

1715
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:17,300
It was probably like many other
things done in the early days of

1716
01:46:17,300 --> 01:46:19,500
the church such as baptism for
the dead at cetera.

1717
01:46:19,500 --> 01:46:21,200
At first persons were baptized
with that.

1718
01:46:21,200 --> 01:46:23,500
Records being taken in as the
lord gave further light and

1719
01:46:23,500 --> 01:46:24,900
Revelation.
Things were done with greater

1720
01:46:24,900 --> 01:46:26,800
order but what had been done
through lack of knowledge?

1721
01:46:26,900 --> 01:46:29,400
That was not altogether.
Correct in detail was allowed to

1722
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:32,500
remain.
He thought probably it was so in

1723
01:46:32,500 --> 01:46:35,000
brother, Abel's case that he
brother Abel having been

1724
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:37,200
ordained before, the word of the
Lord was fully understood.

1725
01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:40,000
It was allowed to remain the
matter was then dropped.

1726
01:46:41,000 --> 01:46:46,600
That was June, 1879.
And who said that?

1727
01:46:46,600 --> 01:46:49,400
John Taylor.
Okay.

1728
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:52,200
Now, this this flies in the face
though.

1729
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:55,200
Nevermind, I'll leave it to the
end.

1730
01:46:55,200 --> 01:46:58,400
Go ahead, go ahead.
I'm curious what you're going to

1731
01:46:58,407 --> 01:47:00,300
say.
I was going to say that seems to

1732
01:47:00,300 --> 01:47:04,100
fly in the face of the account
where Joseph goes at to rescind

1733
01:47:04,100 --> 01:47:06,900
that you know with tears in his
eyes to rescind the priesthood.

1734
01:47:06,900 --> 01:47:10,400
Right.
Cuz John Taylor says it was

1735
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:12,700
allowed to continue, right?
Right.

1736
01:47:12,700 --> 01:47:21,700
And we do know from records that
Elijah table continues to To go

1737
01:47:21,700 --> 01:47:23,900
to 70s meeting to even during
the Utah.

1738
01:47:23,900 --> 01:47:29,000
He doesn't go away.
I think, I think he finishes up

1739
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:31,000
his mission in Cincinnati comes
Westing.

1740
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:34,900
I am not sure if there's another
one or not, but he, he still

1741
01:47:34,900 --> 01:47:40,200
goes to the seventies meetings.
He serves another mission and

1742
01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:42,700
and yeah, and he gets home and
Dives two weeks later on

1743
01:47:42,700 --> 01:47:46,300
Christmas.
This man was faithful to the

1744
01:47:46,300 --> 01:47:50,100
end.
And and so yeah, Elijah table

1745
01:47:50,100 --> 01:47:53,400
and he performed baptisms and
confirmations as a missionary

1746
01:47:53,400 --> 01:47:58,200
cuz I mean if your preaching and
people get converted by your

1747
01:47:58,200 --> 01:48:01,200
preaching, what are you going to
do?

1748
01:48:01,200 --> 01:48:02,000
You know?
I'm sorry.

1749
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:04,600
You know, I got to write a
letter to my white boat

1750
01:48:04,600 --> 01:48:06,500
Brothers.
Cuz, you know, I am the

1751
01:48:06,500 --> 01:48:08,700
missionary but I can't actually
do the thing.

1752
01:48:08,700 --> 01:48:11,000
Like, do the baptism.
I mean, it's absurd to think

1753
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:12,700
that.
No so no, he, he was

1754
01:48:12,700 --> 01:48:15,200
administering ordinances.
Let me ask this question.

1755
01:48:15,200 --> 01:48:19,200
Cuz I've heard this brought up
before that, there was another

1756
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:22,400
Elijah Abel who was a white man
and that's who that it's

1757
01:48:22,400 --> 01:48:24,600
completed with.
Have you found anything that

1758
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:28,800
would suggest that No, because
the primary account now,

1759
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:32,200
granted, this was recorded in
1890, but the primary account

1760
01:48:32,200 --> 01:48:37,600
talk specifically about a black
Elder and it was such a

1761
01:48:37,608 --> 01:48:42,400
controversy because there had
been accusations of like murders

1762
01:48:42,400 --> 01:48:46,700
and it was implicating a black
man trying to get you, no pin

1763
01:48:46,700 --> 01:48:51,200
the blame on a lie to Able, I
don't want to get too out of out

1764
01:48:51,200 --> 01:48:55,100
of order here, but I want to
read that statement because this

1765
01:48:55,100 --> 01:48:58,800
is to me a very face promoting
testimony of the of the

1766
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:00,400
experiences of of one of the
lights.

1767
01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:03,000
Abel's converse with him in the
capacity of a missionary.

1768
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:05,200
But I do want to address the
alleged.

1769
01:49:05,200 --> 01:49:10,500
Joseph Smith, came to Elijah
Abel and told him, his priest

1770
01:49:10,500 --> 01:49:15,100
was revoked, this was not
published.

1771
01:49:15,100 --> 01:49:19,700
This is not recorded in writing
until 1970.

1772
01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:24,600
And it is literally a fist hand
account.

1773
01:49:25,500 --> 01:49:32,400
So in 1970, Caleb Shreve says
that three people in his SRI

1774
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:37,300
family that were still alive,
say said that their dad Thomas

1775
01:49:37,300 --> 01:49:43,200
Shreve, who died in 1931, said
that Elijah Abel told him.

1776
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:51,300
In sometime in the 1870s that
Joe Joseph Smith said Ed and

1777
01:49:51,300 --> 01:49:54,800
sometime in the 1830s Elijah's
priest.

1778
01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:59,000
It was revoked despite Joseph
sending Elijah on a mission in

1779
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:03,400
1838, okay?
And he was ordained to 17 1836.

1780
01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:06,900
So to me that is so
non-credible.

1781
01:50:06,900 --> 01:50:12,600
It's a it's just absurd and I
challenge any I tried cuz I was

1782
01:50:12,600 --> 01:50:15,600
like, surely, there's got to be
something a little bit more like

1783
01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:17,600
contemporaneously record in
this.

1784
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:21,800
Nope.
Nope, it's just it's it's just

1785
01:50:21,800 --> 01:50:26,100
basically hearsay.
You total hearsay and and it and

1786
01:50:26,100 --> 01:50:29,700
it has no supporting
corroboration whatsoever in the

1787
01:50:29,700 --> 01:50:31,600
hitch.
And there's no record of Joseph

1788
01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:33,200
telling.
I mean, I'll bring them telling,

1789
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:36,300
Elijah table that you didn't
hold the priest it any longer

1790
01:50:36,300 --> 01:50:44,300
and the ability to perceive it,
okay?

1791
01:50:44,300 --> 01:50:49,600
But he never Brigham Young
didn't like on in a ordained.

1792
01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:53,100
How do you even do that?
Like, that's not a thing but so

1793
01:50:53,100 --> 01:50:57,600
did Brigham Young never denied
that the taillights able to hold

1794
01:50:57,600 --> 01:51:00,500
the priesthood.
Elijah able to attend itself,

1795
01:51:00,500 --> 01:51:04,100
meetings all through at
Brigham's Administration, served

1796
01:51:04,100 --> 01:51:09,500
missions, both before and after
Brigham died, under John Taylor

1797
01:51:09,500 --> 01:51:13,400
and so forth.
So just died.

1798
01:51:13,400 --> 01:51:17,400
And that's why Elijah Abel had
brought this up to John Taylor

1799
01:51:17,400 --> 01:51:21,000
in 1879, is he?
He's like, hey, I'd really like

1800
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:25,000
to receive my endowment.
And tragically.

1801
01:51:26,100 --> 01:51:30,100
John Taylor did not get
Revelation, I think it's clear.

1802
01:51:30,100 --> 01:51:32,600
I think it's it's just a
definitive he didn't cuz when

1803
01:51:32,600 --> 01:51:35,900
John Taylor got Revelations, he
used some pretty, dang

1804
01:51:35,900 --> 01:51:37,700
clear-cut, white and black
language.

1805
01:51:37,700 --> 01:51:41,000
It was very strong and powerful
d'usse at the Lord, like, John,

1806
01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:46,800
Taylor's 1880s, Revelations are
are are masterpieces and an

1807
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:49,500
extremely bold.
You compare that with the

1808
01:51:49,500 --> 01:51:57,500
language in the statement seemed
probably he thought That does

1809
01:51:57,500 --> 01:51:59,700
not sound like John Taylor was
speaking in the name of the Lord

1810
01:51:59,700 --> 01:52:05,900
he was just being a going along
with president and and and I and

1811
01:52:05,900 --> 01:52:07,600
I don't blame John Taylor to be
honest.

1812
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:11,500
I think it's a shame that he
didn't but again it's one person

1813
01:52:11,500 --> 01:52:14,000
out of a church of thousands
tens of thousands.

1814
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:17,600
Meanwhile the federal government
is sending armies and trying to

1815
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:19,100
arrest you and you're living on
the Underground.

1816
01:52:19,100 --> 01:52:24,600
I can't really blame John Taylor
for not taking this issue more

1817
01:52:24,600 --> 01:52:27,900
seriously.
And I think that if I think that

1818
01:52:27,900 --> 01:52:31,400
both he and bring them, if they
understood the, the downstream

1819
01:52:31,400 --> 01:52:34,100
impact that this would have had,
I think they would have

1820
01:52:34,100 --> 01:52:39,300
prioritized this and been a lot
more careful about this policy,

1821
01:52:39,300 --> 01:52:44,600
but they didn't.
And I don't blame them cuz they

1822
01:52:44,600 --> 01:52:48,200
were in survival mode for a
large part of their card to

1823
01:52:48,208 --> 01:52:50,500
worry about about something like
that.

1824
01:52:50,500 --> 01:52:52,700
When you're like, how do I hold
the church together?

1825
01:52:52,700 --> 01:52:59,600
How do I, how do I keep And how
do we, how do we not starve to

1826
01:52:59,600 --> 01:53:01,400
death right now and die in the
cold?

1827
01:53:01,400 --> 01:53:10,100
So there's a statement from
Zebedee, coltrin, it's kind of

1828
01:53:10,108 --> 01:53:11,400
long.
I don't know if I'm even going

1829
01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:15,300
to bother reading it in full,
it's all on the essay and you

1830
01:53:15,300 --> 01:53:16,800
can find that the source is
there.

1831
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:21,500
So many cultures basically
claimed that Joseph told him in

1832
01:53:21,500 --> 01:53:25,400
1834 that blacks can't hold the
priesthood in the same.

1833
01:53:25,400 --> 01:53:28,600
Exact testimony is every culture
and admits that he lied to Abel

1834
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:35,300
was ordained, an elder in 1836,
by him 10 minutes later and then

1835
01:53:35,300 --> 01:53:38,500
later in December.
He told her, it was the nanny.

1836
01:53:38,500 --> 01:53:45,400
First play, anointed Elijah,
April, 70, So this statement was

1837
01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:50,300
in 1879 against 35 years after
the martyrdom and 45 years after

1838
01:53:50,300 --> 01:53:52,500
the alleged instruction from
Joseph Smith.

1839
01:53:52,500 --> 01:53:57,700
The only part of this testimony
is I find credible because it's

1840
01:53:57,700 --> 01:53:59,800
the only part that's
corroborated by

1841
01:53:59,808 --> 01:54:02,600
contemporaneously record
documentation in the minutes of

1842
01:54:02,600 --> 01:54:06,500
the 70s 80s.
A 1836, is that culture wasn't

1843
01:54:06,500 --> 01:54:09,100
even towards and Elijah.
It was 70 under Joseph's

1844
01:54:09,100 --> 01:54:13,100
directions and and as such in
the minutes, it says Abel was

1845
01:54:13,100 --> 01:54:15,400
sustained.
As a quote, duly licensed

1846
01:54:15,400 --> 01:54:19,200
minister of the Gospel unquote
to serve as a missionary in Ohio

1847
01:54:19,200 --> 01:54:29,100
and so so like Who is if Joseph
told Zebedee in 1834, the blacks

1848
01:54:29,100 --> 01:54:32,300
could hold the priesthood.
Why is Joseph allowing?

1849
01:54:32,300 --> 01:54:36,400
Alleged able to be ordained to
7, an elder and then a 70 and

1850
01:54:36,400 --> 01:54:40,000
receiving his washing anointing
in Kirtland in 1836.

1851
01:54:41,100 --> 01:54:44,700
Yeah.
And in fact culture and claims

1852
01:54:44,700 --> 01:54:47,500
that he was a present number of
the presidency of the seventy

1853
01:54:47,500 --> 01:54:55,300
when Elijah table was Kicked out
of Torino.

1854
01:54:55,300 --> 01:54:58,600
His priesthood was revoked, and
he doesn't really use those

1855
01:54:58,600 --> 01:55:01,400
terms.
But that he, he was

1856
01:55:01,400 --> 01:55:06,300
decommissioned as a member of
the 70 and, and John Taylor

1857
01:55:06,300 --> 01:55:08,400
Who's conducting.
So this is an interview, John

1858
01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:10,500
Taylor.
Brigham Young had just died.

1859
01:55:10,500 --> 01:55:13,200
And John Taylor was trying to
figure out what, what was

1860
01:55:13,200 --> 01:55:15,900
historical.
What wasn't until he goes around

1861
01:55:15,900 --> 01:55:20,200
any, and he's meeting with some
people and he meets with 70

1862
01:55:20,200 --> 01:55:24,300
culture in the knees and he's
asking him Zebedee, you're not a

1863
01:55:24,300 --> 01:55:27,200
member of the presidency of the
70 right now, what have you been

1864
01:55:27,200 --> 01:55:32,600
doing?
And you know, we were released

1865
01:55:32,600 --> 01:55:39,200
and the rest of pasta tized And
it's like why would why if you

1866
01:55:39,200 --> 01:55:41,000
were faithful?
Why were you released?

1867
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:44,500
When the rest of the presidency?
The 70 was a pasta teising, but

1868
01:55:44,500 --> 01:55:48,900
basically is it was, it was so
that John Taylor couldn't check

1869
01:55:48,900 --> 01:55:52,000
the facts and corroborate
zebedees testimony.

1870
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:55,300
It's just really suspicious,
right?

1871
01:55:55,300 --> 01:56:01,200
You know.
And and so to me, this also

1872
01:56:01,200 --> 01:56:04,300
proves that John Taylor did not
hear Joseph Smith teach this

1873
01:56:04,300 --> 01:56:07,500
could have John Taylor heard
Joseph Smith, teach this why

1874
01:56:07,500 --> 01:56:10,300
would he be going around getting
affidavits from Zebedee, coltrin

1875
01:56:10,300 --> 01:56:18,300
and Abraham spoon?
You know, I think the Beast all

1876
01:56:18,300 --> 01:56:22,200
of the circumstantial proves
again, that Joseph Smith, didn't

1877
01:56:22,200 --> 01:56:26,900
teach it and that John Taylor as
a man of integrity and honesty.

1878
01:56:26,900 --> 01:56:31,800
Never attributed the teaching to
Joseph Smith and so I brought of

1879
01:56:31,800 --> 01:56:34,800
Abraham Smoot just a second ago.
This was kind of the same.

1880
01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:41,200
I think it's the same meeting.
If either the same meiosis the

1881
01:56:41,200 --> 01:56:44,000
same day so I thought it must be
the yeah, it is the same

1882
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:45,700
meeting.
So is everybody and and Abraham

1883
01:56:45,700 --> 01:56:49,300
owes Smoot are meeting with John
Taylor and a few other leaders

1884
01:56:49,300 --> 01:56:53,200
and Abraham Smoot claims that
that yeah.

1885
01:56:53,200 --> 01:56:57,400
He heard Joseph Smith, teach
this in 1835 in 1836.

1886
01:56:58,800 --> 01:57:04,700
Abraham Smoot did own slaves in
Utah until mid 1860s, so, that

1887
01:57:04,700 --> 01:57:08,200
alone should call into question.
He has a clear conflict of

1888
01:57:08,200 --> 01:57:12,700
interest, but but, but again,
this is 45 years.

1889
01:57:12,700 --> 01:57:18,200
After the fact, the alleged fact
that he's claimed, that Joseph

1890
01:57:18,200 --> 01:57:20,900
taught him.
This thing, and the other thing

1891
01:57:20,900 --> 01:57:23,400
that we have to keep in mind,
even if we accept Abraham

1892
01:57:23,400 --> 01:57:24,900
smoot's, testimony at face
value.

1893
01:57:24,900 --> 01:57:30,500
Even if we accepted as honest as
factual recollection of events,

1894
01:57:30,500 --> 01:57:35,400
you have to look at the
circumstances slavery, was an

1895
01:57:35,400 --> 01:57:39,100
institution in the American
South at this time. and if

1896
01:57:39,100 --> 01:57:43,400
you're a missionary in the South
and your preaching and a man who

1897
01:57:43,400 --> 01:57:47,100
is a Slave, get converted to the
gospel.

1898
01:57:47,100 --> 01:57:52,800
You cannot encourage in that
environment with him to get

1899
01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:56,500
baptized against the consent of
his master and you shouldn't

1900
01:57:56,500 --> 01:57:59,300
give him a.
I said because he is not his own

1901
01:57:59,300 --> 01:58:02,400
man, right?
He can't act independently, he's

1902
01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:08,100
not a free agent, he is a slave.
And so to apply that universally

1903
01:58:08,100 --> 01:58:13,700
is just absurd.
Like so even given him every

1904
01:58:13,700 --> 01:58:15,700
benefit of the doubt.
I think that that proves nothing

1905
01:58:15,700 --> 01:58:22,300
this next one is from George Q
Cannon, Present, George tucannon

1906
01:58:22,300 --> 01:58:26,600
remarked, that the Prophet
Joseph taught this doctrine that

1907
01:58:26,600 --> 01:58:29,200
the seed of Cain could not
receive the priesthood nor act

1908
01:58:29,200 --> 01:58:31,800
in any of the offices of the
priesthood until the seat

1909
01:58:31,800 --> 01:58:34,500
available should come forward
and take precedence over canes

1910
01:58:34,500 --> 01:58:40,000
offspring.
August. 1895.

1911
01:58:41,500 --> 01:58:45,900
It's what he says this so he he
did live long.

1912
01:58:45,900 --> 01:58:48,600
He was alive.
He did come to Nauvoo in 1843

1913
01:58:48,600 --> 01:58:51,200
when he's about 15 years old.
But I think it's super unlikely

1914
01:58:51,200 --> 01:58:56,600
that he heard this statement
first-hand far more likely he

1915
01:58:56,600 --> 01:58:58,400
was repeating the statement, 60
years.

1916
01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:01,200
After the fact that he had heard
from other people's, testimony

1917
01:59:01,200 --> 01:59:04,400
could keep in mind, this ad in
the president for you no longer

1918
01:59:04,400 --> 01:59:06,400
decade.
Accept this point.

1919
01:59:06,400 --> 01:59:11,100
And of course, if people
disagree or have concerns about

1920
01:59:11,100 --> 01:59:14,100
it, you're going to try to shore
up The credibility by

1921
01:59:14,100 --> 01:59:18,900
attributing it to Joseph, right.
Even if even if it's completely

1922
01:59:18,900 --> 01:59:28,900
unsupported historically right
secondary statement 10 So this

1923
01:59:28,900 --> 01:59:33,100
is an 1896, it was manifested to
the Prophet Joseph, that the

1924
01:59:33,108 --> 01:59:35,800
seed of Cain would not come in
remembrance before the Lord for

1925
01:59:35,800 --> 01:59:38,600
their Final Redemption until the
seat of able to write should all

1926
01:59:38,600 --> 01:59:41,900
have their opportunity.
This is from Franklin D Richards

1927
01:59:41,900 --> 01:59:44,700
again, he doesn't say.
I heard Joseph said, he just

1928
01:59:44,700 --> 01:59:49,800
says Joseph taught this and
Medicine 1896.

1929
01:59:49,800 --> 01:59:54,800
I miss five decades after the
martyrdom and it while it is

1930
01:59:54,800 --> 01:59:56,500
possible.
I have to admit, it's possible

1931
01:59:56,500 --> 01:59:58,900
that he could have her Joseph
make such a statement.

1932
01:59:58,900 --> 02:00:03,400
How credible is it?
Why did he record it beforehand?

1933
02:00:03,400 --> 02:00:08,600
Why is it 1896 in?
Even the most sincere honest

1934
02:00:08,600 --> 02:00:13,300
person can miss remember stuff
can or misunderstand things and

1935
02:00:13,300 --> 02:00:16,400
or exaggerate things and it
doesn't have to say that he had

1936
02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:19,900
bad motive.
He could be very sincere and it

1937
02:00:19,900 --> 02:00:22,700
could be an unintentional thing
to do, but, but it doesn't mean

1938
02:00:22,700 --> 02:00:28,100
that it's true, right?
275 and had a hard frontier

1939
02:00:28,100 --> 02:00:29,700
life.
By the time, the statement was

1940
02:00:29,700 --> 02:00:34,300
made.
This is the this is where I'm

1941
02:00:34,300 --> 02:00:37,600
going to really come down on
George Q Cannon cuz he says in

1942
02:00:37,600 --> 02:00:41,400
1900 president young held to the
doctrine that no man tainted

1943
02:00:41,400 --> 02:00:45,100
with black flood was eligible to
have the priest.

1944
02:00:45,100 --> 02:00:48,200
It that President Taylor held to
the same Doctrine claiming to

1945
02:00:48,200 --> 02:00:51,100
have been taught it by the
Prophet Joseph Smith.

1946
02:00:51,100 --> 02:00:56,700
So now he's George, Who Cannon
is claiming that John Taylor

1947
02:00:58,600 --> 02:01:01,900
Taught your claimed.
That Joseph Smith taught it to

1948
02:01:01,900 --> 02:01:05,200
him.
And the reason I think this is

1949
02:01:05,200 --> 02:01:09,300
so significant as as Jacob in
the debate with Justin pointed

1950
02:01:09,300 --> 02:01:13,400
out.
Lorenzo Snow in Joseph Smith was

1951
02:01:13,400 --> 02:01:15,700
seriously contemplating, lifting
the ban.

1952
02:01:16,600 --> 02:01:21,400
In the late 1890s, early 1900s,
and it was George who can and

1953
02:01:21,400 --> 02:01:26,500
who virtually single-handedly
got them to not lift the ban in

1954
02:01:26,500 --> 02:01:29,800
to perpetuate, the van and
Joseph, Smith's reasoning was

1955
02:01:29,800 --> 02:01:33,100
quite simple.
He says, I find a lie to Able

1956
02:01:33,100 --> 02:01:37,300
Farm were honest and trustworthy
and a man of Greater Integrity

1957
02:01:37,300 --> 02:01:40,800
than Saudi Cultural and it just
came down to, you know, Elijah

1958
02:01:40,800 --> 02:01:45,200
Abel had told Joseph F Smith,
that his uncle Joseph Smith had

1959
02:01:45,200 --> 02:01:46,300
promised to lie to his
endowment.

1960
02:01:47,500 --> 02:01:53,000
And you know Joseph Smith had
they were very strongly leaning

1961
02:01:53,000 --> 02:01:56,600
toward that, it was a serious
consideration and George Q

1962
02:01:56,600 --> 02:02:02,200
Cannon.
Strong only Bore false witness

1963
02:02:02,200 --> 02:02:04,000
and attributed things to John
Taylor.

1964
02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:07,900
After John John Taylor was dead
nobody during John, Taylor's

1965
02:02:07,900 --> 02:02:10,300
life.
Ever said that John Taylor heard

1966
02:02:10,300 --> 02:02:13,000
it from Joseph Smith and I think
the fact that John Taylor went

1967
02:02:13,000 --> 02:02:15,100
to the medical training and
Abraham suit, and got those

1968
02:02:15,100 --> 02:02:18,100
affidavits proves that he did
not hear Joseph teach it.

1969
02:02:19,400 --> 02:02:23,900
And it's it's just a cheap shot
to attribute something to a dead

1970
02:02:23,900 --> 02:02:24,800
man.
Who can't.

1971
02:02:26,200 --> 02:02:32,300
You know, set the record
straight now and abusive his

1972
02:02:32,300 --> 02:02:34,200
relationship.
George Buchanan was a nephew of

1973
02:02:34,208 --> 02:02:38,100
John Taylor.
And fundamentalist Love George

1974
02:02:38,100 --> 02:02:41,600
Buchanan because he is one of
the latest authorities within

1975
02:02:41,600 --> 02:02:44,900
the church that adamantly taught
about plural marriage.

1976
02:02:44,900 --> 02:02:49,000
The priesthood van, you know,
some of these aspects that the

1977
02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:52,900
fundamentalist really latch
onto, but I think the

1978
02:02:52,900 --> 02:02:55,200
fundamentalist should do a
little more of their own history

1979
02:02:55,200 --> 02:02:57,600
because John Taylor was not
their friend.

1980
02:02:57,600 --> 02:03:01,800
John Taylor was actively going
after next communicating

1981
02:03:01,800 --> 02:03:04,300
fundamentalist for taking plural
wives.

1982
02:03:04,300 --> 02:03:13,000
After 1904, the second manifest
persecuting, fundamentalist,

1983
02:03:13,000 --> 02:03:21,500
post 1904, And in the thing that
I find just morally indefensible

1984
02:03:21,500 --> 02:03:28,300
of of George to Canon, he is a
hypocrite because he got his

1985
02:03:28,300 --> 02:03:32,600
son's plural.
We sealed to throw wife's post.

1986
02:03:32,600 --> 02:03:38,900
1904, s Manifesto but he was
actively persecuted in

1987
02:03:38,900 --> 02:03:42,600
excommunicating.
Anybody else who is taking for a

1988
02:03:42,600 --> 02:03:49,000
wise post 1904?
I just adjusted hypocrisy,

1989
02:03:49,000 --> 02:03:53,300
right?
Here's the other thing, he was

1990
02:03:53,300 --> 02:03:58,100
preaching that you had to live
plural marriage in this life or

1991
02:03:58,100 --> 02:04:02,100
you could not receive
exultation. at the same time,

1992
02:04:02,100 --> 02:04:08,900
he's persecuting the Saints.
And in, in the in the

1993
02:04:08,900 --> 02:04:12,300
implications of the priesthood
ban, he's basically saying no

1994
02:04:12,300 --> 02:04:14,500
black person can be exalted
ever.

1995
02:04:17,400 --> 02:04:21,000
Like this, you take the the
things that George Q Cannon said

1996
02:04:21,000 --> 02:04:24,600
and you and you follow them to
their logical conclusions.

1997
02:04:24,600 --> 02:04:32,100
It is it it it it it reveals a
serious deficiency of character

1998
02:04:32,100 --> 02:04:37,000
and the fact that he
single-handedly prevented Joseph

1999
02:04:37,000 --> 02:04:40,100
Smith and Lorenzo Snow from
lifting, the ban in the 1900s,

2000
02:04:40,100 --> 02:04:43,400
it's just tragic.
And he, the reason he did is he

2001
02:04:43,400 --> 02:04:47,700
convinced them, that John Taylor
claimed Joseph Smith taught the

2002
02:04:47,700 --> 02:04:50,400
band, and it's it's just false
witness.

2003
02:04:53,200 --> 02:04:58,300
So now there's actually it gets
worse, jerky Cannon is even more

2004
02:04:58,300 --> 02:05:02,400
Despicable because of something.
I think it's worth reading a

2005
02:05:02,400 --> 02:05:04,400
quote that he made about
Eugenics.

2006
02:05:04,400 --> 02:05:08,300
Should we do that now?
Or should I say?

2007
02:05:08,300 --> 02:05:10,600
Let's let's describe real quick.
What?

2008
02:05:10,600 --> 02:05:15,300
Eugenics was.
Yeah, so Eugenics is essentially

2009
02:05:15,300 --> 02:05:23,700
the the concept that genetically
Superior people should be

2010
02:05:23,700 --> 02:05:26,600
breeding and producing Offspring
and genetically.

2011
02:05:26,600 --> 02:05:30,600
Inferior people should not be
allowed to produce Offspring.

2012
02:05:30,600 --> 02:05:35,500
Now, this was kind of a sad in
the late 1800s and early 1900s

2013
02:05:35,500 --> 02:05:38,900
and it was kind of even in the
west.

2014
02:05:38,900 --> 02:05:42,100
There were a lot of people
mouth, is it malsis?

2015
02:05:42,100 --> 02:05:44,200
Yeah.
Robert Malthus was a very

2016
02:05:44,200 --> 02:05:48,400
influential.
You Jenna eugenicist in the

2017
02:05:48,400 --> 02:05:52,700
early nineteen-hundreds.
Now the the the fruits of you

2018
02:05:52,700 --> 02:05:54,400
Genesis him just to be
completely.

2019
02:05:54,400 --> 02:06:00,600
Frank are the Holocaust.
Yep, I've seen the documents.

2020
02:06:00,600 --> 02:06:03,200
So Margaret Sanger wasn't about
eugenicist.

2021
02:06:03,200 --> 02:06:10,400
The mother of Planned Parenthood
dies, the abortion Mill.

2022
02:06:10,400 --> 02:06:15,300
She was all How about she called
people human weeds, right?

2023
02:06:15,300 --> 02:06:18,700
You had pull them up by their
roots and there's actually a

2024
02:06:18,700 --> 02:06:23,000
letter to the American
eugenicist Board address to

2025
02:06:23,000 --> 02:06:27,300
Margaret Sanger.
Do or not not to Margaret Sanger

2026
02:06:27,300 --> 02:06:33,600
but to the American Eugenics
board where the Nazis basically

2027
02:06:33,600 --> 02:06:38,300
said, hey your work has been
just you know, it we couldn't

2028
02:06:38,300 --> 02:06:41,800
have done what we were doing
without your guyses Pioneer work

2029
02:06:41,800 --> 02:06:48,200
on a lot of the defense at
Nuremberg was, will we are just,

2030
02:06:48,200 --> 02:06:51,800
you know, pursuing what your
Scholars have been have been

2031
02:06:51,800 --> 02:06:54,800
promoting.
I mean, it's just it's just pure

2032
02:06:54,800 --> 02:06:56,900
evil.
It is pure evil and there's no

2033
02:06:56,900 --> 02:06:59,800
excuse and especially somebody
who holds a high position in the

2034
02:06:59,800 --> 02:07:03,500
church and is using his platform
and influence to promote these

2035
02:07:03,500 --> 02:07:06,400
kinds of ideas.
So this is in his youth, George

2036
02:07:06,400 --> 02:07:10,000
Duke and now a guy can have bad
ideas when he went in and it

2037
02:07:10,000 --> 02:07:14,200
when he's a kid in his twenties,
but he had some other statements

2038
02:07:14,200 --> 02:07:15,900
but I'm just going to take from
this one.

2039
02:07:16,500 --> 02:07:18,800
Because you never deny that he
never recanted their statement,

2040
02:07:18,800 --> 02:07:22,600
he has softened his language
later on in his life, but he

2041
02:07:22,600 --> 02:07:25,800
Heat.
This is how he thought and how

2042
02:07:25,800 --> 02:07:29,800
it into his, to his grave, quote
license to marry, should not

2043
02:07:29,800 --> 02:07:32,500
come from the priest.
But from the physician, it will

2044
02:07:32,500 --> 02:07:35,200
be when the law forbids, the
unhealthy to be at children when

2045
02:07:35,200 --> 02:07:38,000
it come pills, every healthy man
to marry one refusal to.

2046
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:40,800
This will devour him from
holding office of boating.

2047
02:07:40,800 --> 02:07:43,500
From suing at courts of law for
making contracts from following

2048
02:07:43,500 --> 02:07:47,200
any learn a profession When It
suffers no Healthy Growth

2049
02:07:47,200 --> 02:07:50,200
remained single after she
becomes a proper age when no

2050
02:07:50,200 --> 02:07:51,800
horse shall be permitted to
live.

2051
02:07:51,800 --> 02:07:54,400
When it was sitting in a course,
she'll be punished with death

2052
02:07:54,400 --> 02:07:57,300
that we shall witness any
Improvement in the morals of the

2053
02:07:57,300 --> 02:07:58,600
age.
It is true.

2054
02:07:58,600 --> 02:08:00,800
Such a course would come in
contact with the ridiculous

2055
02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:03,500
sentimentality of the age and
heaven knows if we if that could

2056
02:08:03,500 --> 02:08:06,200
be overturned and rude about it
be a substantial blessing.

2057
02:08:06,200 --> 02:08:08,900
He's saying that anybody who
disagrees with this?

2058
02:08:09,500 --> 02:08:14,000
He's mocking them, it's a
ridiculous sentimentality and he

2059
02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:15,300
saying that it would be a huge
blessing.

2060
02:08:15,300 --> 02:08:19,300
If everybody could come around
to this enlightened way of

2061
02:08:19,300 --> 02:08:23,200
thinking and this now you could
save it will.

2062
02:08:23,200 --> 02:08:26,100
This is pre-holocaust.
So they, he could never have

2063
02:08:26,100 --> 02:08:29,500
known better.
He didn't understand that the

2064
02:08:29,500 --> 02:08:32,900
danger of this type of thinking,
and while that is true and I

2065
02:08:32,900 --> 02:08:35,700
don't think we should condemn
the people, you know, in the

2066
02:08:35,700 --> 02:08:39,100
1800s nearly the same as weak
should condemn people in post

2067
02:08:39,100 --> 02:08:45,500
1940s in the church though.
It is Satan's plan.

2068
02:08:45,500 --> 02:08:48,800
Like we literally teach our
babies are little kids about the

2069
02:08:48,800 --> 02:08:51,200
war in heaven and it's Satan's
plan to, for her.

2070
02:08:51,200 --> 02:08:54,500
She had to do what he wants and
it's God's plan to give you

2071
02:08:54,500 --> 02:08:58,600
agency agency of the sacrosanct
principle of the Gospel that God

2072
02:08:58,600 --> 02:09:06,800
will never deny anyone and the
sacred ability to procreate is

2073
02:09:06,800 --> 02:09:11,200
of God and it should be in a
pail by pure and virtuous

2074
02:09:11,200 --> 02:09:13,900
principles.
Not coercion, not forced.

2075
02:09:13,900 --> 02:09:15,300
This is literally using
violence.

2076
02:09:15,300 --> 02:09:20,100
He's suggesting it should be
illegal and end what is

2077
02:09:20,100 --> 02:09:24,600
government its Force, you know,
it is pure unadulterated force

2078
02:09:24,600 --> 02:09:32,100
and if so he's promoting these
very Anna semic ideas to the

2079
02:09:32,108 --> 02:09:34,900
Gospel of Jesus Christ, let
alone the restoration.

2080
02:09:34,900 --> 02:09:36,600
Oh and one other thing.
He's proposing.

2081
02:09:36,600 --> 02:09:43,700
Death penalty for prostitution
and you read section 42, which

2082
02:09:43,700 --> 02:09:45,900
is a revelation that is
literally titled.

2083
02:09:45,900 --> 02:09:50,600
The law of the church in this
dispensation and it talks about

2084
02:09:50,608 --> 02:09:53,900
even adulterers, should not be
put to death.

2085
02:09:53,900 --> 02:09:56,400
They should be.
If they were repentant, they

2086
02:09:56,400 --> 02:09:58,800
should be forgiven.
This isn't section 42, the read

2087
02:09:58,800 --> 02:10:00,800
it.
If they are repentant, they

2088
02:10:00,800 --> 02:10:02,600
should be forgiven.
But if they are repeat offenders

2089
02:10:02,600 --> 02:10:07,900
then they need to be mitigated.
So they don't, you know,

2090
02:10:07,900 --> 02:10:13,200
contaminate and use influence to
deter, you know, deny the law of

2091
02:10:13,200 --> 02:10:17,600
God, but we should not assume
section. 42 is a repeal of the

2092
02:10:17,600 --> 02:10:21,700
very harsh Mosaic law, which was
a curse to the people in Moses

2093
02:10:21,700 --> 02:10:24,800
day.
They needed a harsh, they

2094
02:10:24,800 --> 02:10:28,800
needed, harsher penalties
George, Q, Cannon has no excuse,

2095
02:10:28,800 --> 02:10:34,000
he's teaching things directly
contradictory to section 42 and

2096
02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:37,300
the whole principles of the
Gospel of agency.

2097
02:10:38,500 --> 02:10:40,500
Right.
See how?

2098
02:10:40,500 --> 02:10:43,300
Yeah, it seems.
So do I do I think it's possible

2099
02:10:43,300 --> 02:10:49,000
that a man of that character
could have lied about something

2100
02:10:49,000 --> 02:10:51,700
and then claimed his uncle said
something that he didn't.

2101
02:10:51,700 --> 02:10:56,500
Yes, I just I have no reason to
suppose.

2102
02:10:56,500 --> 02:10:58,600
He wouldn't be capable of that,
right?

2103
02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:04,400
And George Buchanan is not your
friend the fundamentalists.

2104
02:11:04,400 --> 02:11:07,300
So get that right out of your
heads, he would be coming after.

2105
02:11:07,300 --> 02:11:09,000
You could be sick in the feds on
you today.

2106
02:11:09,000 --> 02:11:14,300
Do you know if you lived in 1905
or later?

2107
02:11:14,300 --> 02:11:27,300
So still going, I want to share
one last thing and I want to end

2108
02:11:27,300 --> 02:11:30,500
on a more uplifting out cuz this
is gotten the kind of heavy

2109
02:11:30,500 --> 02:11:32,500
really negative for the most
part.

2110
02:11:32,500 --> 02:11:37,900
I want to share an inspiring
account of experience, the

2111
02:11:37,900 --> 02:11:42,000
convert of light tables had with
him as a missionary and it

2112
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:44,100
wasn't recorded until September
1891.

2113
02:11:45,100 --> 02:11:48,900
So I didn't put it like at the
top with the primary statements,

2114
02:11:48,900 --> 02:11:53,100
but I also think it it doesn't
mean it's not credible because

2115
02:11:53,100 --> 02:11:57,100
this lady, she had no tie to
Brigham Young.

2116
02:11:57,108 --> 02:12:03,500
She stayed East when the saints
went West and so, she's just a

2117
02:12:03,500 --> 02:12:06,600
gospel.
Following faithful person.

2118
02:12:06,600 --> 02:12:10,800
That was not loyal to Brigham
and sew in 1838.

2119
02:12:10,800 --> 02:12:16,800
Elijah table came and she goes
to a meeting, and she, and her

2120
02:12:16,800 --> 02:12:25,500
husband were very against the
Elijah able sermon, and he

2121
02:12:25,500 --> 02:12:29,500
stands up in the meeting.
And her husband, is says opposed

2122
02:12:29,500 --> 02:12:31,200
bitterly, and so many hard
things.

2123
02:12:32,500 --> 02:12:37,800
Well, if Elijah table afterward,
came to her husband, put his

2124
02:12:37,800 --> 02:12:40,700
hand on his shoulder and says,
brother, where do you live?

2125
02:12:40,700 --> 02:12:44,500
My husband told him.
He then said to my husband

2126
02:12:44,500 --> 02:12:47,100
tomorrow, I will come and see
you and have a little chat.

2127
02:12:47,100 --> 02:12:51,500
Can't get enough of the Mormon
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2146
02:13:44,800 --> 02:13:48,300
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2147
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This is the flag that I use as

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02:14:00,900 --> 02:14:04,500
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2152
02:14:04,500 --> 02:14:06,700
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2153
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Now today we have people who
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2155
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Well, I think it's damn past
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2156
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02:14:19,200 --> 02:14:21,800
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2161
02:14:32,000 --> 02:14:35,500
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02:14:35,500 --> 02:14:39,200
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So here's this guy that hit just

2164
02:14:41,700 --> 02:14:44,600
like publicly thrashed, a guy
and ask him.

2165
02:14:44,608 --> 02:14:48,900
Can I come and visit you.
I'll come in and chat with you

2166
02:14:48,900 --> 02:14:53,100
and he came as he said, and he
and and my husband were soon,

2167
02:14:53,100 --> 02:14:56,400
conversation able set forth the
claims of Joseph Smith to the

2168
02:14:56,407 --> 02:14:59,300
athletic office showing the
necessity of the Gospel being

2169
02:14:59,300 --> 02:15:03,300
restored and the time was coming
and is my husband, opposed him

2170
02:15:03,300 --> 02:15:06,200
that he was under no obligation
to receive this message without

2171
02:15:06,200 --> 02:15:08,100
seeing some sign or Miracle
performed.

2172
02:15:08,100 --> 02:15:12,900
Elijah table then said, is it a
sign that you require for to

2173
02:15:12,900 --> 02:15:17,700
make you believe?
He said, yes, Abel says you

2174
02:15:17,700 --> 02:15:20,300
shall have what you ask but it
will make your heartache.

2175
02:15:20,300 --> 02:15:23,700
A curse from God will follow you
from this time forward, you will

2176
02:15:23,700 --> 02:15:26,300
be cursed in your going out and
coming in and everything that

2177
02:15:26,300 --> 02:15:29,500
you put your hand to do will be
cursed and sore Affliction Will

2178
02:15:29,500 --> 02:15:31,900
Follow You Until You repent and
humble yourself before God.

2179
02:15:31,900 --> 02:15:40,700
That isn't that ironic like a
note to rent.

2180
02:15:42,400 --> 02:15:47,500
Speaking prophetically that a
curse on an individual and she

2181
02:15:47,500 --> 02:15:50,700
goes on to say, well owe.
I have only to say that all was

2182
02:15:50,700 --> 02:15:55,600
fulfilled to the very letter,
the last Affliction that came,

2183
02:15:55,600 --> 02:15:58,200
our little boy, is 3, years was
taken with the group.

2184
02:15:58,200 --> 02:16:00,900
The doctor said he was in the
last stage of the disease and

2185
02:16:00,900 --> 02:16:03,700
there was no hope.
In his case, my husband then

2186
02:16:03,700 --> 02:16:06,600
gave up said it was enough burst
into a flood of Tears.

2187
02:16:06,600 --> 02:16:09,900
Acknowledging his faults, saying
that he knew that he had been

2188
02:16:09,900 --> 02:16:11,400
under the influence of an evil
spirit.

2189
02:16:11,400 --> 02:16:14,000
He then humble himself.
Under the mighty hand of God,

2190
02:16:14,000 --> 02:16:17,100
praying God to forgive him, and
restore our child in all things,

2191
02:16:17,100 --> 02:16:18,600
as it should be.
Made known to man.

2192
02:16:19,600 --> 02:16:24,200
Suffice it to say that the child
became well and when elder able

2193
02:16:24,200 --> 02:16:26,900
came again, we both went down to
the water and were buried with

2194
02:16:26,900 --> 02:16:31,200
Christ in baptism when confirmed
great blessings were predicted

2195
02:16:31,200 --> 02:16:33,600
Upon Our Heads.
My husband was to preach the

2196
02:16:33,600 --> 02:16:36,600
gospel in to become Mighty and
causing many to believe in obit.

2197
02:16:36,600 --> 02:16:39,299
He was also to have the gift of
tongues in the interpretation.

2198
02:16:39,299 --> 02:16:42,299
Also, the gift of Prophecy, and
the gift of healing, the sick,

2199
02:16:42,299 --> 02:16:45,600
all these things were fulfilled
in due time.

2200
02:16:45,600 --> 02:16:51,299
So she then kind of goes into.
She has a.

2201
02:16:51,299 --> 02:16:55,000
Where she kind of Falls away.
And it gets bad.

2202
02:16:55,000 --> 02:17:00,200
She kind of yields the influence
of an evil spirit and one Sunday

2203
02:17:00,200 --> 02:17:01,799
too.
So she's kind of in this funk

2204
02:17:01,799 --> 02:17:06,299
and one Sunday.
Very unexpectedly to my great

2205
02:17:06,299 --> 02:17:09,799
surprise, Elder able came by as
soon as either.

2206
02:17:09,799 --> 02:17:13,200
As soon as either the house,
think it meant?

2207
02:17:13,200 --> 02:17:14,400
I'd soon as he entered the
house.

2208
02:17:14,400 --> 02:17:17,500
My feelings that I had somewhat
changed after a little

2209
02:17:17,500 --> 02:17:19,400
conversation.
I made an effort to express the

2210
02:17:19,400 --> 02:17:21,700
feelings in Trials.
I had that had since I was

2211
02:17:21,700 --> 02:17:25,299
baptized, but I was still down.
I could not utter the words that

2212
02:17:25,299 --> 02:17:28,600
I previously imagined cuz she
was trying to like, really hard

2213
02:17:28,600 --> 02:17:33,000
on him.
And he only said sister has not

2214
02:17:33,000 --> 02:17:34,799
been tempted.
As long as the Savior was after,

2215
02:17:34,799 --> 02:17:39,700
he was baptized, he was tempted,
one way, and you in another He

2216
02:17:39,700 --> 02:17:42,799
sent it said to my husband, I
wish you would circulate an

2217
02:17:42,799 --> 02:17:45,000
appointment for preaching at 3
in the afternoon, at the

2218
02:17:45,000 --> 02:17:48,000
schoolhouse, it was done as he
requested at first.

2219
02:17:48,000 --> 02:17:50,200
I thought I wouldn't go, but
when the appointed time came I

2220
02:17:50,200 --> 02:17:52,299
said to my husband, I will go
and see the coming out of it.

2221
02:17:52,299 --> 02:17:56,100
His text was think it not
strange brother, in concerning

2222
02:17:56,100 --> 02:17:59,100
the fiery trials, which are to
try you as though, some strange

2223
02:17:59,100 --> 02:18:03,700
thing is happening to you.
When while he was preaching a

2224
02:18:03,700 --> 02:18:07,600
great and marvelous change came
over me all the doubts and fears

2225
02:18:07,600 --> 02:18:10,000
and unbelief in the powerful
darkness that had.

2226
02:18:10,000 --> 02:18:13,600
So distressed me fled before the
light of God's truth like the do

2227
02:18:13,600 --> 02:18:16,799
before the sun, the Holy Spirit
came upon me and I was in a

2228
02:18:16,807 --> 02:18:20,000
glorious Vision, it was then and
there made known to me by the

2229
02:18:20,000 --> 02:18:23,000
power of God that Joseph Smith
was a true prophet of God in the

2230
02:18:23,000 --> 02:18:25,000
Book of Mormon was a sacred
record of divine origin.

2231
02:18:25,000 --> 02:18:28,400
And Elijah Abel was a servant of
the most high.

2232
02:18:28,400 --> 02:18:31,799
God, I've never had a doubt of
these things from that day to

2233
02:18:31,799 --> 02:18:35,000
this and when I think of that
glorious event, it fills my

2234
02:18:35,000 --> 02:18:38,299
heart with joy and gratitude to
my heavenly father for such an

2235
02:18:38,299 --> 02:18:44,000
expression of his goodness.
I was a testimony of a lady from

2236
02:18:44,000 --> 02:18:55,200
flintville Wisconsin named
Eunice Kenny So, I guess I must

2237
02:18:55,200 --> 02:19:00,500
have skipped it.
I Okay, you can go and read the

2238
02:19:00,500 --> 02:19:02,299
full original.
It was a long letter.

2239
02:19:02,299 --> 02:19:05,299
So, I mean, I'm, I'm trying not
to overwhelm everybody with

2240
02:19:05,299 --> 02:19:08,200
whistling and read the the
letter in full.

2241
02:19:08,200 --> 02:19:10,200
And I have the link here on that
states.

2242
02:19:10,200 --> 02:19:16,700
It actually talks about how
there was like, some terrible

2243
02:19:16,700 --> 02:19:20,700
murders committed and people had
implicated Elijah table.

2244
02:19:20,700 --> 02:19:24,799
Can they had to use a black man
of a being guilty of committing

2245
02:19:24,799 --> 02:19:29,900
these murders.
And he shows up, he comes and

2246
02:19:29,907 --> 02:19:33,600
he's going to preach a sermon
and everybody's there in this

2247
02:19:33,600 --> 02:19:43,299
town and he shows up folwell
risking arrest in lynching and

2248
02:19:43,299 --> 02:19:48,000
before even starts preaching, he
just looks too crowded the eye

2249
02:19:48,000 --> 02:19:51,600
and says, well You going to do
it?

2250
02:19:52,700 --> 02:19:57,200
And nobody moved.
He says, okay preaches a sermon

2251
02:19:57,200 --> 02:20:01,500
in sizes, some saints afterward,
like the man had some, some

2252
02:20:01,500 --> 02:20:09,700
serious intestinal fortitude.
Yeah, so to me when I was

2253
02:20:09,700 --> 02:20:14,000
examining this couple years ago,
when my friend had taken the

2254
02:20:14,000 --> 02:20:17,200
black wife, it was not nearly as
clear as it is to me.

2255
02:20:17,208 --> 02:20:20,400
Now, having gone through this
exercise and looked at the, you

2256
02:20:20,400 --> 02:20:23,800
know, separating primary sources
from the secondary and look at

2257
02:20:23,800 --> 02:20:26,600
the contemporaneously recorded
versus the decades after the

2258
02:20:26,600 --> 02:20:32,000
Recollections.
It is so clear to me now, but at

2259
02:20:32,000 --> 02:20:35,100
the time it was very hard.
And and you know, maybe I

2260
02:20:35,100 --> 02:20:37,500
haven't convinced people that
are listening to this right now.

2261
02:20:37,508 --> 02:20:43,100
I feel like I've proven that.
The band did not come from

2262
02:20:43,100 --> 02:20:44,300
Joseph.
It came from Brigham.

2263
02:20:45,100 --> 02:20:49,200
But that's a different thing
from proving is the band.

2264
02:20:49,200 --> 02:20:51,500
Correct or not.
Cuz like that other statement

2265
02:20:51,500 --> 02:20:54,100
that from John Taylor, well,
maybe the church in its infancy

2266
02:20:54,100 --> 02:20:56,200
didn't do things right at the
beginning and end.

2267
02:20:56,200 --> 02:20:59,500
Maybe we've gotten more like
knowledge since then and so I

2268
02:20:59,508 --> 02:21:03,100
think now let's go into the
scriptural examination.

2269
02:21:03,100 --> 02:21:05,500
Is, is there anything else you
want to add before we go?

2270
02:21:05,500 --> 02:21:09,700
I think you you yeah.
I think we've covered it pretty

2271
02:21:09,700 --> 02:21:13,300
well great.
Okay.

2272
02:21:13,300 --> 02:21:18,500
So scripturally, again, I, I
thought that I looked at these

2273
02:21:18,500 --> 02:21:23,200
scriptures couple years ago and
it was at the time unclear, if

2274
02:21:23,200 --> 02:21:26,200
it did not seem definitive
having gone through this

2275
02:21:26,200 --> 02:21:28,600
exercise.
To me, it is incredibly clear

2276
02:21:28,600 --> 02:21:32,200
and definitive that the ban is
not scriptural, but there are

2277
02:21:32,200 --> 02:21:35,000
two terms that I want to talk
about, kind of, I guess, you

2278
02:21:35,000 --> 02:21:37,300
could say, Rules of Engagement
in discussing.

2279
02:21:37,300 --> 02:21:44,400
The scriptures one is When you
read things into scriptures is

2280
02:21:44,400 --> 02:21:49,400
called eisegesis eisegesis, and
when you only extract what is

2281
02:21:49,400 --> 02:21:51,900
said out of the scriptures, it's
called exegesis.

2282
02:21:51,900 --> 02:21:58,800
And so my whole goal in this
scriptural, analysis is to not

2283
02:21:58,800 --> 02:22:03,200
insert my biases.
My perspectives not to say

2284
02:22:03,200 --> 02:22:05,900
anything that the scriptures
themselves, do not say and not

2285
02:22:05,900 --> 02:22:10,400
to insert impose mean things
that are not there because I

2286
02:22:10,400 --> 02:22:12,700
consider that, I suggest I
suggest it.

2287
02:22:12,700 --> 02:22:18,000
I said Jetta coil and my goal is
to be exegetical in this

2288
02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:23,400
exercise and only pull out what
the scripture is actually say.

2289
02:22:23,400 --> 02:22:26,000
So, without further Ado, let's
look at Abraham one.

2290
02:22:26,000 --> 02:22:28,100
This is the primary
foundational.

2291
02:22:28,100 --> 02:22:32,800
Scriptural basis for proponents
of the band beginning in verse

2292
02:22:32,800 --> 02:22:35,600
21.
Now this king of Egypt was a

2293
02:22:35,600 --> 02:22:37,300
descendant.
From the lines of Hammond was a

2294
02:22:37,300 --> 02:22:40,200
taker of the blood of the
Canaanites by birth from this

2295
02:22:40,200 --> 02:22:42,300
descent spring.
All the Egyptians and dust the

2296
02:22:42,300 --> 02:22:44,200
blood of the Canaanites was
preserved in the land.

2297
02:22:44,200 --> 02:22:47,500
The land of Egypt, being first
discovered by a woman who was

2298
02:22:47,500 --> 02:22:50,300
the daughter of ham and the
daughter of Egypt is which in

2299
02:22:50,300 --> 02:22:53,000
the Chaldean signifies Egypt,
with signifies that which is

2300
02:22:53,000 --> 02:22:55,200
forbidden.
When this woman discovered, the

2301
02:22:55,200 --> 02:22:58,600
land, it was underwater who
afterward settled her sons and

2302
02:22:58,600 --> 02:23:01,100
dust from hamstring.
That rate is which preserve the

2303
02:23:01,100 --> 02:23:03,500
curse in the plant.
Now, the first government of

2304
02:23:03,500 --> 02:23:06,200
Egypt was established by
Pharaoh, the eldest son of the

2305
02:23:06,200 --> 02:23:09,700
gypped us, the daughter of him
and it was after the manner of

2306
02:23:09,700 --> 02:23:14,200
the government of ham which was
patriarch Estero being a

2307
02:23:14,200 --> 02:23:16,900
righteous man, established his
kingdom, and judged his people

2308
02:23:16,900 --> 02:23:20,100
wisely and justly, all his days.
She can earnestly to imitate

2309
02:23:20,100 --> 02:23:21,800
that order established by the
father's.

2310
02:23:21,800 --> 02:23:24,200
In the first Generations, in a
daze of the first page shark

2311
02:23:24,200 --> 02:23:26,800
Lorraine even in the rain is
Adam and also have Noah his

2312
02:23:26,800 --> 02:23:28,200
father.
He blessed me with the blessings

2313
02:23:28,200 --> 02:23:31,700
of the earth and with the
blessings of wisdom but cursed

2314
02:23:31,700 --> 02:23:33,800
him as pertaining to the
priesthood.

2315
02:23:33,800 --> 02:23:37,300
Now, Pharaoh being of that
lineage by which he could not

2316
02:23:37,300 --> 02:23:40,700
have the right of priesthood,
notwithstanding the Pharaohs.

2317
02:23:40,700 --> 02:23:42,800
Would Fain claim it from, Noah
through him.

2318
02:23:42,800 --> 02:23:48,900
There for my father was led Away
by their idolatry. now, at first

2319
02:23:48,900 --> 02:23:55,300
glance, When you list could
appear to strongly support the

2320
02:23:55,300 --> 02:24:00,400
priesthood that but I want to
really look carefully at these

2321
02:24:00,400 --> 02:24:03,400
what these verses do say and
what they do not say.

2322
02:24:03,400 --> 02:24:06,500
So first off let's look at what
they do say they say that the

2323
02:24:06,500 --> 02:24:08,200
blood of the Canaanites was
preserved.

2324
02:24:08,200 --> 02:24:13,200
So in these are the pre-flood
Canaanites cuz there's Canaan

2325
02:24:13,200 --> 02:24:17,100
the son of ham whose Offspring
become Canaanites and they live

2326
02:24:17,100 --> 02:24:19,700
in the land of Canaan.
There's also pre-flood

2327
02:24:19,700 --> 02:24:22,800
Canaanites who committed
genocide against the shemites

2328
02:24:22,800 --> 02:24:25,700
and they were in a descendants
of Cain.

2329
02:24:26,500 --> 02:24:30,500
And so they're all related to a
degree, but but you kind of have

2330
02:24:30,500 --> 02:24:34,400
to be careful like figure out
which Canaanites were referring

2331
02:24:34,400 --> 02:24:36,500
to.
So the pre-flood Canaanites were

2332
02:24:36,500 --> 02:24:39,100
preserved post-flood to reject
his wife with him.

2333
02:24:40,000 --> 02:24:42,100
Hammond Egyptians had a
daughter.

2334
02:24:42,100 --> 02:24:45,700
Also named the chip, this who
settled the land of Egypt and

2335
02:24:45,700 --> 02:24:49,400
her posterity, became that race
quote, which preserve the curse

2336
02:24:49,400 --> 02:24:53,200
in the land.
What curse, the pre-flood

2337
02:24:53,200 --> 02:25:00,500
Canaanites curse was the eldest
son of a gif.

2338
02:25:00,500 --> 02:25:05,100
This, the doctor of him, so, the
grandson of him through his

2339
02:25:05,100 --> 02:25:08,800
mother, he's called a righteous
man who established his king,

2340
02:25:08,800 --> 02:25:10,900
and the judge, his people
wisely, and justly, all his

2341
02:25:10,900 --> 02:25:13,400
days.
That's interesting.

2342
02:25:13,400 --> 02:25:18,400
Sarah was blessed by his father,
Noah With the blessings of the

2343
02:25:18,400 --> 02:25:22,900
earth and with the blessings of
wisdom, but cursed him as

2344
02:25:22,900 --> 02:25:28,100
pertaining to the priesthood.
Now, you could say that this

2345
02:25:28,100 --> 02:25:31,000
cursing me and said he can't
hold the priesthood.

2346
02:25:32,700 --> 02:25:35,600
It could just mean that no, I
didn't give him the priesthood.

2347
02:25:37,300 --> 02:25:42,400
I see Towing in the blessing, He
blesses him with with the

2348
02:25:42,400 --> 02:25:49,300
blessings of the earth and Woody
Harrelson wisdom, but not the

2349
02:25:49,300 --> 02:25:51,200
priesthood.
He didn't receive the priesthood

2350
02:25:51,200 --> 02:25:56,200
through Noah.
So nnn the fifth thing that we

2351
02:25:56,200 --> 02:26:00,000
can definitively exegetically
extract from these verses is

2352
02:26:00,000 --> 02:26:04,500
that lineage is given as the
specific reason given wife.

2353
02:26:04,500 --> 02:26:07,100
Arrow could not have the right
of priesthood.

2354
02:26:08,700 --> 02:26:14,100
But what these verses do not say
is that the curse or this black

2355
02:26:14,100 --> 02:26:17,700
skin means that black people
cannot hold the priesthood?

2356
02:26:18,800 --> 02:26:21,000
I'm sorry these versus just do
not say it.

2357
02:26:21,000 --> 02:26:25,300
So the first time the word curse
has used its, it's in a

2358
02:26:25,300 --> 02:26:26,700
different context than the
second.

2359
02:26:26,700 --> 02:26:31,100
So I mean there's at least two
context that this word curse is

2360
02:26:31,100 --> 02:26:35,500
used first is the blood or
lineage of the genetics, the

2361
02:26:35,500 --> 02:26:38,000
outward appearances, the black
skin.

2362
02:26:38,000 --> 02:26:40,700
So that's in verses 21, 22 and
24.

2363
02:26:41,700 --> 02:26:47,300
But Pharaoh being of that linen
would have already had the black

2364
02:26:47,300 --> 02:26:49,900
skin, right?
And so when it says that no,

2365
02:26:49,900 --> 02:26:53,600
accursed Pharaoh pertaining to
the priesthood, it's not the

2366
02:26:53,600 --> 02:26:57,000
black skin, it sad.
It's if it's a different context

2367
02:26:57,000 --> 02:26:59,800
of the curse, not getting the
priesthood for a different

2368
02:26:59,800 --> 02:27:01,400
reason.
Correct.

2369
02:27:02,400 --> 02:27:05,500
What were?
It's just not clear, it's not

2370
02:27:05,500 --> 02:27:10,200
definitive one way or another.
So if the Canaanite blood and

2371
02:27:10,200 --> 02:27:13,400
lineage had been previously,
Kirstin Farah was of that blood

2372
02:27:13,400 --> 02:27:16,500
and lineage why did Noah curse
pharaoh?

2373
02:27:17,500 --> 02:27:20,200
When Charles has already been
cursed, duel is Lynn.

2374
02:27:20,200 --> 02:27:23,200
It's like, if it's if it's about
all about the lineage, why does

2375
02:27:23,200 --> 02:27:26,300
it say Noah Kirsten?
If the curse is the DNA, it

2376
02:27:26,300 --> 02:27:29,300
can't be exegetical to clean the
disk curse from Noah, was the

2377
02:27:29,300 --> 02:27:32,800
same curse refer to in verses,
21, 22 and 24.

2378
02:27:32,800 --> 02:27:36,700
Despite the same English word
being chosen by Joseph to

2379
02:27:36,700 --> 02:27:38,700
translate these Concepts, in
both instances.

2380
02:27:38,700 --> 02:27:42,800
So the only rational and
exegetical conclusion, we can

2381
02:27:42,800 --> 02:27:46,500
draw from these verses that is
that Pharaoh was double cursed

2382
02:27:46,500 --> 02:27:52,900
one by his genetics.
Now, and then we would, we look

2383
02:27:52,900 --> 02:27:56,700
at cursing as as such a negative
thing, but it's just, it's just

2384
02:27:56,708 --> 02:27:59,000
the, the skin.
I was passed down, genetically.

2385
02:27:59,000 --> 02:28:02,000
And it's, and it's something he
was in an inherited from his

2386
02:28:02,000 --> 02:28:07,600
pre-flood Canaanite ancestry,
and then verse 26, Sarah was

2387
02:28:07,600 --> 02:28:09,600
cursed pertaining to the
priesthood.

2388
02:28:09,600 --> 02:28:14,100
So this is this phrasing is
actually unclear what it means.

2389
02:28:14,100 --> 02:28:16,200
Our doesn't mean it could mean,
that Pharaoh was barred from

2390
02:28:16,208 --> 02:28:19,700
holding the priesthood, which is
the Hardline interpretation that

2391
02:28:19,700 --> 02:28:24,300
proponents of the band, take me
to Brigham, Young included, but

2392
02:28:24,300 --> 02:28:29,100
the text is not explicitly.
Say it, Alternatively, it could

2393
02:28:29,100 --> 02:28:32,500
mean simply that Pharaoh could
not have the right of the

2394
02:28:32,500 --> 02:28:35,100
priesthood, which is actually
what it says, what that what the

2395
02:28:35,100 --> 02:28:38,000
words actually say, never says
anything about you.

2396
02:28:38,000 --> 02:28:41,900
Can't hold the priesthood.
It just says that he can't, he

2397
02:28:41,900 --> 02:28:44,700
doesn't have the right by his
lineage to the priesthood.

2398
02:28:46,500 --> 02:28:51,300
So one of the things that these
verses do not say is that a

2399
02:28:51,300 --> 02:28:54,500
mandala G eligibility or in
eligibility to hold the

2400
02:28:54,500 --> 02:29:00,000
priesthood is determined by his
lineage verse 27 contains the

2401
02:29:00,000 --> 02:29:02,300
language.
Pharaoh could not have the right

2402
02:29:02,300 --> 02:29:05,000
of priests it.
So let's talk about what is the

2403
02:29:05,008 --> 02:29:07,900
difference between having a
right to the priesthood versus

2404
02:29:07,900 --> 02:29:12,500
holding the priest?
It, you know, it's a concept is

2405
02:29:12,500 --> 02:29:15,100
probably familiar to a lot of
people listening is like

2406
02:29:15,100 --> 02:29:18,300
European monarchies,
particularly the Middle Ages.

2407
02:29:18,300 --> 02:29:21,600
I mean we all have our favorite
TV shows and books in series and

2408
02:29:21,600 --> 02:29:24,600
it took it to romanticize.
Of art of our history.

2409
02:29:24,600 --> 02:29:27,600
And in a lot of cool things
happened in, this is just a

2410
02:29:27,608 --> 02:29:30,200
fool, your concept fairy tales
are in that sitting.

2411
02:29:30,200 --> 02:29:35,000
So in most European monarchies,
the firstborn son of a king is

2412
02:29:35,000 --> 02:29:37,300
the heir to the throne.
He had a right.

2413
02:29:38,200 --> 02:29:40,800
To that Crown, right to the
firstborn or whatever.

2414
02:29:40,800 --> 02:29:45,500
That doesn't mean, he has the
crown, just he's the rightful

2415
02:29:45,500 --> 02:29:49,700
heir.
But so if he as the rightful

2416
02:29:49,700 --> 02:29:54,600
Heir the print tries to
overthrow his father's Kingdom

2417
02:29:54,600 --> 02:29:58,200
and like the trays the kingdom
or you know or maybe he just get

2418
02:29:58,200 --> 02:30:02,100
sick becomes mentally insane or
are incapable of becoming the

2419
02:30:02,100 --> 02:30:07,200
next king, for whatever reason,
he can lose his right to the

2420
02:30:07,208 --> 02:30:10,000
throne and the King could name a
different error.

2421
02:30:10,000 --> 02:30:15,800
Now if the king doesn't have
another natural-born son, He

2422
02:30:15,800 --> 02:30:18,600
could have.
Write another son.

2423
02:30:18,600 --> 02:30:22,200
So, so that the natural, the
Natural Born son's.

2424
02:30:22,200 --> 02:30:25,600
They have an inherent, like a
naturally born right to the

2425
02:30:25,600 --> 02:30:27,700
crown.
Fits always contingent upon

2426
02:30:27,700 --> 02:30:31,400
Fitness and worthiness for the
for the crown.

2427
02:30:31,400 --> 02:30:36,300
And if he becomes unqualified or
unworthy, he forfeits his right

2428
02:30:36,300 --> 02:30:39,000
to the ground.
And when the king chooses, an

2429
02:30:39,000 --> 02:30:41,300
heir who is not a son of his
body, he adopts him, he becomes

2430
02:30:41,300 --> 02:30:43,400
the legal equivalent of a
natural-born son.

2431
02:30:43,400 --> 02:30:47,400
So in other words, perhaps not
the ideal, the crown or Throne

2432
02:30:47,400 --> 02:30:50,400
of the Kingdom can legitimately
be passed down and held by a

2433
02:30:50,400 --> 02:30:52,800
person who's not genetically of
the Royal bloodline.

2434
02:30:53,800 --> 02:30:58,000
This analogy, I believe
perfectly is appropriate because

2435
02:30:58,000 --> 02:31:02,100
in this, in this question of
pharaoh, and the priesthood,

2436
02:31:02,100 --> 02:31:04,400
because as we all know, the
kingdom of God is, in fact, the

2437
02:31:04,400 --> 02:31:09,000
kingdom of God is the king
Christ, is his great.

2438
02:31:09,000 --> 02:31:12,400
Are we have been given the
opportunity to become joint

2439
02:31:12,400 --> 02:31:17,100
heirs with Christ.
You know, in in Matthew chapter

2440
02:31:17,100 --> 02:31:19,600
3, the Pharisees thought they
were Superior because of their

2441
02:31:19,600 --> 02:31:26,600
lineage and John.
The Baptist definitively refutes

2442
02:31:26,600 --> 02:31:29,500
that says, bring forth their for
fruits, meat for repentance,

2443
02:31:29,500 --> 02:31:32,200
think not say within yourselves,
we have Abraham to Our Father.

2444
02:31:32,200 --> 02:31:35,200
For, I say unto you, that God is
able of these stone hands to

2445
02:31:35,200 --> 02:31:38,700
raise up children to Abraham.
And that also the axe is laid to

2446
02:31:38,700 --> 02:31:41,500
the root of the trees there for
every tree with bringeth not

2447
02:31:41,500 --> 02:31:43,100
forth.
Good fruit is hewn down and cast

2448
02:31:43,100 --> 02:31:45,900
into the fire.
So in other words, the kingdom

2449
02:31:45,900 --> 02:31:49,600
of God is a meritocracy.
Right.

2450
02:31:50,800 --> 02:31:55,700
And all humans are children of
God and have the opportunity to

2451
02:31:55,708 --> 02:31:59,100
become heirs in his kingdom.
If we do, his will and bring

2452
02:31:59,100 --> 02:32:04,700
forth good fruit.
So to me, it is very eisegetical

2453
02:32:04,700 --> 02:32:10,900
to impose a reading of Abraham
chat 1 chapter 1 verses 21

2454
02:32:10,900 --> 02:32:14,900
through 27, and save it that
proves the priests it, then it's

2455
02:32:14,900 --> 02:32:19,900
not exegetical at all.
It requires you reading into it

2456
02:32:19,900 --> 02:32:24,300
and that interpretation of
Abraham one directly contradicts

2457
02:32:24,300 --> 02:32:28,700
Abraham to.
Now I know that you went into

2458
02:32:28,700 --> 02:32:33,500
the sin in pretty good detail
with Justin and and Jacob but

2459
02:32:33,500 --> 02:32:37,700
just real quick, Abraham,
chapter 2, verses 9, 10 and 11.

2460
02:32:39,900 --> 02:32:46,600
Abraham and his natural seed
like his blood by lineage is

2461
02:32:46,600 --> 02:32:49,300
given the right of the
priesthood in verse 11.

2462
02:32:49,300 --> 02:32:52,900
It says, I given to the a
promise that this right shall

2463
02:32:52,900 --> 02:32:56,000
continue in the end, I see it
after the and what is that,

2464
02:32:56,000 --> 02:32:58,800
right?
And I priesthood.

2465
02:32:58,800 --> 02:33:00,400
And then I see that is like
Twisted.

2466
02:33:00,400 --> 02:33:03,400
I will bless them that bless
thee and curse them that Kirsty.

2467
02:33:03,400 --> 02:33:09,800
So so the reason stero did not
receive a right to the priest.

2468
02:33:09,800 --> 02:33:14,000
It is because that came through
shims line down to Abraham in

2469
02:33:14,000 --> 02:33:19,300
Abraham became the father of the
Covenant by which the right of

2470
02:33:19,300 --> 02:33:22,000
the priesthood would be
perpetuated throughout all time,

2471
02:33:22,000 --> 02:33:25,700
Abraham was a contemporary of
Noah.

2472
02:33:27,600 --> 02:33:31,000
I don't know if I didn't, I
didn't realize that like no,

2473
02:33:31,000 --> 02:33:33,000
actually live quite a while
after the flood.

2474
02:33:33,900 --> 02:33:39,300
And so, I don't know.
Week we think milk is it is Shem

2475
02:33:39,300 --> 02:33:41,700
in there that could very well
because she also was a

2476
02:33:41,708 --> 02:33:45,800
contemporary of Abraham but so
is Noah, who knows?

2477
02:33:45,800 --> 02:33:52,000
You know, traditionally it's gem
in which case still know Noah

2478
02:33:52,000 --> 02:33:54,600
clearly blesses Chemin and and
throw rocks.

2479
02:33:54,600 --> 02:33:58,400
His his seed and and Abraham is
out of the seat of Shem and

2480
02:33:58,400 --> 02:34:03,500
Abraham, personally, obtains,
the Covenant and so Abraham and

2481
02:34:03,500 --> 02:34:06,000
his seed have the right to the
priest it.

2482
02:34:06,000 --> 02:34:09,200
But what are they supposed to do
with this priesthood verse 9?

2483
02:34:10,800 --> 02:34:14,400
Dear their hands, they shall
bear this ministry, increased it

2484
02:34:14,400 --> 02:34:17,600
into all nations.
So what's the point of priests?

2485
02:34:17,600 --> 02:34:20,400
If you're not, if you're just
going to keep it to yourself,

2486
02:34:20,408 --> 02:34:32,200
you know, and I are hiding your
candle under a bushel and how

2487
02:34:32,200 --> 02:34:35,800
that stuff.
So, and then again, in 1st 10,

2488
02:34:35,800 --> 02:34:41,100
we have the lot of adoption.
I will bless them through thy

2489
02:34:41,100 --> 02:34:45,500
name for as many as receive this
gospel shall be called after

2490
02:34:45,500 --> 02:34:50,200
they named Abraham and shall be
accounted die, seed, and shall

2491
02:34:50,200 --> 02:34:52,400
rise up and bless the as their
father.

2492
02:34:54,100 --> 02:34:59,800
The priesthood ban is
unscriptural, it requires a an

2493
02:34:59,800 --> 02:35:03,800
eisegetical imposition of
meaning that is not in a text

2494
02:35:03,800 --> 02:35:07,000
for Abraham one and it directly
contradicts Abraham too.

2495
02:35:07,000 --> 02:35:10,600
And it is interesting cuz this
is like they're separated by 10

2496
02:35:10,600 --> 02:35:16,500
or 15 Vs here, right.
I'm wondering if I have never, I

2497
02:35:16,500 --> 02:35:19,100
haven't actually looked into
this, but I'm wondering if

2498
02:35:19,100 --> 02:35:21,600
Joseph, when he originally, did
the manuscript to keep break it

2499
02:35:21,608 --> 02:35:24,400
up into chapters and verses, cuz
I know in the case of the Book

2500
02:35:24,400 --> 02:35:26,800
of Mormon, it wasn't, it was
just blocks of text.

2501
02:35:26,800 --> 02:35:32,700
I think that, whoever chapter
and verse defied Abraham at the

2502
02:35:32,700 --> 02:35:37,500
book of Abraham, Intentionally
or unintentionally, did us a

2503
02:35:37,500 --> 02:35:40,200
huge disservice.
Cuz it it, this is actually all

2504
02:35:40,200 --> 02:35:42,600
a continuation of the same book.
It's all just.

2505
02:35:42,600 --> 02:35:46,500
It's not that long of a book and
into separating Abraham, one

2506
02:35:46,500 --> 02:35:51,300
from Abraham, chapter 2, It
makes it a lot easier to miss

2507
02:35:51,300 --> 02:35:54,000
this, you know, the connection
cuz this is talking about the

2508
02:35:54,000 --> 02:35:55,700
same thing.
Talking about rights to the

2509
02:35:55,700 --> 02:35:57,300
priesthood.
Pharaoh did not have the right

2510
02:35:57,300 --> 02:36:02,700
Abraham did but What is that?
What is the right?

2511
02:36:02,700 --> 02:36:07,800
It is the responsibility to
share it with everybody and who

2512
02:36:07,800 --> 02:36:12,900
When anybody receives the gospel
and they they get adopted into a

2513
02:36:12,900 --> 02:36:16,100
miscellaneous.
So I don't mean to belabor it.

2514
02:36:16,100 --> 02:36:19,200
But does that any any other
thoughts or questions or points

2515
02:36:19,200 --> 02:36:23,600
you want to make on?
No, it's it's it's pretty strong

2516
02:36:23,600 --> 02:36:27,400
right by there.
I mean, it's it's very strong

2517
02:36:27,400 --> 02:36:31,900
and it's And it's words in and
yeah, I think it would be

2518
02:36:31,908 --> 02:36:36,200
interesting to go back and see
how Joseph originally originally

2519
02:36:36,200 --> 02:36:41,200
translated it and I know we've
lost the original facsimile.

2520
02:36:41,200 --> 02:36:46,100
I don't know if we could get
hold of the original papers.

2521
02:36:46,100 --> 02:36:49,700
I had the thought and I just
forgot and I and I haven't taste

2522
02:36:49,700 --> 02:36:55,700
that down yet, but I can do an
addendum Amanda sa if I am able

2523
02:36:55,700 --> 02:37:00,000
to find that.
So the next scriptural thing,

2524
02:37:00,000 --> 02:37:04,900
and I'm going through the ones
that can be used to justify or

2525
02:37:04,900 --> 02:37:12,000
defend the band, Alma chapter 13
talks about, for ordination that

2526
02:37:12,000 --> 02:37:14,600
certain priesthood ordinations
and offices and callings that

2527
02:37:14,608 --> 02:37:18,700
people attain to in mortality
are linked to premortal actions.

2528
02:37:19,900 --> 02:37:23,400
And I actually completely agree.
I think this is, I have a

2529
02:37:23,400 --> 02:37:29,300
testimony of the truthfulness of
this Doctrine, but that doesn't

2530
02:37:29,300 --> 02:37:32,900
mean that was I Hancock's dream
or Anson.

2531
02:37:32,900 --> 02:37:39,600
Call statements, that are true
because we we have all of these

2532
02:37:39,600 --> 02:37:42,300
examples throughout all of the
scriptures, and sake, recorded,

2533
02:37:42,300 --> 02:37:48,100
history from Cain and Abel to
Joseph in Egypt, you know, and

2534
02:37:48,100 --> 02:37:52,600
his brothers did Nephi versus
Laman and Lemuel, Joseph Smith

2535
02:37:52,600 --> 02:37:54,700
and William Smith.
Like these have this V.

2536
02:37:54,700 --> 02:37:58,200
All of these siblings have the
same parents, right?

2537
02:37:58,200 --> 02:38:04,400
And one of them's faithful And
the others are Rebels and

2538
02:38:04,400 --> 02:38:08,300
rejected and in some cases try
to kill the faithful brother or

2539
02:38:08,300 --> 02:38:12,600
in a person.
Like, how can that be?

2540
02:38:12,600 --> 02:38:18,600
If it's all about lineage?
And in all that, how can first

2541
02:38:18,600 --> 02:38:23,400
siblings be so diverse in
history?

2542
02:38:25,500 --> 02:38:28,400
You know, an inn in Christ.
A in John chapter 8, verses 31

2543
02:38:28,400 --> 02:38:31,700
through 47.
He's talking to believing Jews.

2544
02:38:31,700 --> 02:38:35,700
So these are like people Jews
who are becoming Christians.

2545
02:38:35,700 --> 02:38:36,800
They've kind of been Believe In
Christ.

2546
02:38:36,800 --> 02:38:42,300
And in, they say that we be
Abraham's seed and cuz Joe cuz

2547
02:38:42,300 --> 02:38:46,600
Jesus had talked about that they
would be made free by the truth.

2548
02:38:46,600 --> 02:38:49,600
The truth shall make you free
and I like, wait, we're not in

2549
02:38:49,600 --> 02:38:51,800
bondage where Abraham, see we've
never been slaves.

2550
02:38:51,800 --> 02:38:55,400
And Jesus says whosoever
committeth sin is the servant of

2551
02:38:55,408 --> 02:38:57,700
sin and it kind of triggers
these guys.

2552
02:38:57,700 --> 02:39:02,700
And they, they like start
freaking out and end up taking

2553
02:39:02,700 --> 02:39:05,300
offense.
That Christ is saying that you

2554
02:39:05,300 --> 02:39:10,700
need to be liberated.
From captivity and and it goes

2555
02:39:10,700 --> 02:39:13,500
through it and enhance Christ
says if the son therefore shall

2556
02:39:13,500 --> 02:39:15,000
make you free, you shall be
free.

2557
02:39:15,000 --> 02:39:17,800
Indeed, I know that ye are
Abraham seat.

2558
02:39:17,800 --> 02:39:21,800
So, crisis acknowledging, their
blood ancestry of being

2559
02:39:21,800 --> 02:39:25,400
descendants of Abraham, and the
answer in a safe Abraham's, Our

2560
02:39:25,400 --> 02:39:29,900
Father, like, they don't like
what he's suggesting that they

2561
02:39:29,900 --> 02:39:33,200
still have to do something
because they're not just part of

2562
02:39:33,208 --> 02:39:36,500
the special bloodline, Jesus
answered and said unto them.

2563
02:39:36,500 --> 02:39:39,600
If you were Abraham's children,
you would do, the works of

2564
02:39:39,600 --> 02:39:42,800
Abraham.
You do the Deeds of your father,

2565
02:39:42,800 --> 02:39:45,300
you are of your father, the
devil in the loss of your father

2566
02:39:45,300 --> 02:39:47,700
you will do.
He that is of God heareth God's

2567
02:39:47,700 --> 02:39:50,400
word you therefore hear them,
not because you're not of God.

2568
02:39:50,400 --> 02:39:54,400
So he's kind of laying down
pretty hard core that just cuz

2569
02:39:54,400 --> 02:39:58,400
you gave her hands.
Your grandpa doesn't mean that

2570
02:39:58,400 --> 02:40:03,800
you don't have to repent and
until you to follow the laws and

2571
02:40:03,800 --> 02:40:10,300
accept Christ.
And then I've heard people

2572
02:40:10,300 --> 02:40:15,400
suggest that they were actually
not descendants of Abraham that

2573
02:40:15,400 --> 02:40:19,100
they were actually not
abrahamic.

2574
02:40:19,100 --> 02:40:23,100
But Christ says that there, I
know that you're Abraham seat,

2575
02:40:23,100 --> 02:40:24,300
so did Christ contradict
himself.

2576
02:40:24,300 --> 02:40:29,100
And in the principal he's
teaching here is that all our

2577
02:40:29,100 --> 02:40:33,300
children of God, whether or not
become airs is the question,

2578
02:40:33,300 --> 02:40:35,600
right?
And it has everything to do with

2579
02:40:35,600 --> 02:40:40,500
our choices and actions.
Not a Jenny ology Right now

2580
02:40:40,500 --> 02:40:43,100
about what we're born with are
given, it's about, we choose to

2581
02:40:43,100 --> 02:40:46,100
do with it.
And, you know, Matthew 7, not

2582
02:40:46,100 --> 02:40:47,300
everyone, that saith unto me.
Lord.

2583
02:40:47,300 --> 02:40:49,500
Lord shall enter into the
kingdom, he that doeth, the will

2584
02:40:49,500 --> 02:40:53,400
of my Father in heaven.
So this it again, this all

2585
02:40:53,400 --> 02:40:55,900
strongly corroborates, this, the
principle that I was making

2586
02:40:55,900 --> 02:40:58,500
before and Abraham one that the
kingdom of God is a meritocracy,

2587
02:40:58,500 --> 02:41:05,800
right?
So, which is really brought out,

2588
02:41:05,800 --> 02:41:07,800
and in the final judgment to,
right?

2589
02:41:07,800 --> 02:41:13,300
I mean, salvation is is
universal but where we end up is

2590
02:41:13,300 --> 02:41:19,200
all up to us and our, our, our
faithfulness and I will say it

2591
02:41:19,200 --> 02:41:21,800
is pretty self-evident.
Some people get born into really

2592
02:41:21,800 --> 02:41:25,700
sucky circumstances in this
life, you know, black slaves in

2593
02:41:25,700 --> 02:41:27,200
the eighteen hundreds of the of
America.

2594
02:41:27,200 --> 02:41:32,700
That was a rough place to be
born into, you know, not knowing

2595
02:41:32,700 --> 02:41:36,200
if you might get stripped away
from your parents and then sold

2596
02:41:36,200 --> 02:41:39,200
Downriver, whatever right.
That would be really rough.

2597
02:41:39,200 --> 02:41:44,200
And and so we as being born into
families with a you know good

2598
02:41:44,200 --> 02:41:47,600
parents and you know and all the
advantages of education and and

2599
02:41:47,600 --> 02:41:49,300
prosperity.
And we don't go hungry.

2600
02:41:49,300 --> 02:41:54,100
Like we are extremely blessed
and privileged and I I don't

2601
02:41:54,100 --> 02:41:57,700
think that any of us should say
it's cuz we deserve it cuz we

2602
02:41:57,700 --> 02:42:02,800
must have been so faithful in
the premortal life. but at the

2603
02:42:02,800 --> 02:42:07,600
same time, I think that this
principle of of being born into

2604
02:42:07,600 --> 02:42:13,200
very inequitable, circumstances
could be tied to premortal

2605
02:42:13,200 --> 02:42:17,300
dalliance or lack thereof.
I don't know, but I think that

2606
02:42:17,300 --> 02:42:21,400
in every case it was voluntary
or actually have a testimony

2607
02:42:21,400 --> 02:42:24,700
that you know, one of my friends
who struggles with the burden, I

2608
02:42:24,700 --> 02:42:30,400
think that he accepted this
trial in Portal God didn't just

2609
02:42:30,400 --> 02:42:33,300
say well you you were less
Valiant.

2610
02:42:33,300 --> 02:42:36,800
So you have to go in and
experienced this burden your

2611
02:42:36,800 --> 02:42:39,500
whole life.
Like I don't believe in that and

2612
02:42:39,500 --> 02:42:41,100
I don't believe God set this up
to fail.

2613
02:42:41,100 --> 02:42:46,300
I think that if if premortal
Valiants or lack thereof has

2614
02:42:46,300 --> 02:42:50,600
anything to do with this wife,
then it just have us to do with

2615
02:42:50,600 --> 02:42:55,500
starting points and because they
are in a couple Yeah, but none

2616
02:42:55,500 --> 02:42:57,600
of us.
Remember our premortal life?

2617
02:42:59,600 --> 02:43:03,000
And none of us can do anything
about the circumstances that

2618
02:43:03,000 --> 02:43:06,900
were born into.
What kind of a God would just

2619
02:43:06,900 --> 02:43:09,300
send his children, you know,
doomed to fail.

2620
02:43:09,300 --> 02:43:13,900
I don't think that any God, I
don't believe a true God does

2621
02:43:13,900 --> 02:43:15,800
that I think God loves all of
us.

2622
02:43:15,800 --> 02:43:21,200
And every single person, even a
slave born in the in Africa and

2623
02:43:21,200 --> 02:43:25,500
you know, just live, the
terrible harsh, life can

2624
02:43:25,500 --> 02:43:29,500
transcend, his circumstances and
become Sanctified and become an

2625
02:43:29,500 --> 02:43:31,800
error.
Even if he doesn't even know who

2626
02:43:31,800 --> 02:43:35,600
Christ is like those types of
things can be figured out in the

2627
02:43:35,600 --> 02:43:38,700
in the, in the spirit world, for
the people who didn't have an

2628
02:43:38,700 --> 02:43:41,200
opportunity in this life, we can
do ordinances for them.

2629
02:43:41,200 --> 02:43:45,400
It has everything to do with
what we do in this life and and

2630
02:43:45,400 --> 02:43:47,400
just drive this in a conclude
the wrap up.

2631
02:43:47,400 --> 02:43:54,500
This point is Alma chapter 32 34
verse 32 For behold this life is

2632
02:43:54,500 --> 02:43:56,000
the time for men to prepare to
meet God.

2633
02:43:56,000 --> 02:43:58,300
He behold the day of this life
is the day for men to perform

2634
02:43:58,300 --> 02:44:08,200
their labors. so, Anyway, moving
on to the next verse that could

2635
02:44:08,200 --> 02:44:11,700
be used to support.
The band is Genesis 9 in the jst

2636
02:44:11,700 --> 02:44:15,000
and it talks about Noah and his
whining.

2637
02:44:15,000 --> 02:44:17,100
And he knew what his youngest
son.

2638
02:44:17,100 --> 02:44:18,700
Done.
Too many curse, be Canaan.

2639
02:44:18,700 --> 02:44:23,900
Again, that's just really weird
that he would curse ham son and

2640
02:44:23,900 --> 02:44:27,100
not ham for for hams
transgression.

2641
02:44:27,100 --> 02:44:31,900
But we already talked about
possible at waste interpret that

2642
02:44:31,900 --> 02:44:34,400
and body talks.
Keenan being the servant of

2643
02:44:34,400 --> 02:44:39,800
japheth and Shem.
And so that these verses clearly

2644
02:44:39,800 --> 02:44:43,300
support, the principle of
generational consequences,

2645
02:44:43,300 --> 02:44:46,900
following the actions of
ancestors.

2646
02:44:46,900 --> 02:44:51,200
So when other words of Rachel
curse similar to the lamanites.

2647
02:44:51,200 --> 02:44:58,200
But what these versus
exegetically don't say.

2648
02:44:58,900 --> 02:45:03,200
Is that the curse means that the
servanthood of canaan's?

2649
02:45:03,200 --> 02:45:05,400
Descendants means they can't
hold the priesthood.

2650
02:45:07,200 --> 02:45:12,500
Just don't say it at.
All right, ends, in fact that

2651
02:45:12,500 --> 02:45:14,800
the primary responsibility of
holding the priests it is to

2652
02:45:14,800 --> 02:45:19,200
serve God.
An honest person should consider

2653
02:45:19,200 --> 02:45:22,100
that these verses could
reasonably be interpreted to

2654
02:45:22,100 --> 02:45:24,400
mean the descendants of Cain and
should receive the priesthood.

2655
02:45:24,400 --> 02:45:27,900
So that they would be more
effective at surfing the

2656
02:45:27,900 --> 02:45:31,900
posterity of.
Yeah.

2657
02:45:31,900 --> 02:45:36,700
I mean, yeah.
That's, that's definitely an

2658
02:45:36,700 --> 02:45:39,100
interpretation that, that you
don't hear a tunnel.

2659
02:45:39,100 --> 02:45:39,500
Yeah.
Yeah.

2660
02:45:39,508 --> 02:45:43,500
Cuz we like to think of
priesthood as dishonor and this

2661
02:45:43,500 --> 02:45:47,700
like special Authority, that
gives us power and and I think

2662
02:45:47,700 --> 02:45:53,100
that that is really a broken way
of looking at 3, stood Presa

2663
02:45:53,100 --> 02:45:56,600
doesn't set you above anybody.
I mean Christ Christ.

2664
02:45:56,600 --> 02:46:02,300
Remember when in, in Luke 22:8
says the kings of the Gentiles

2665
02:46:02,300 --> 02:46:05,200
exercise lordship over them and
they that exercise Authority

2666
02:46:05,200 --> 02:46:08,100
upon them are called benefactors
that you shall not be.

2667
02:46:08,100 --> 02:46:10,100
So he that is greatest.
Among you.

2668
02:46:10,100 --> 02:46:12,800
Let him be as the younger and he
let his chief, I see the death

2669
02:46:12,800 --> 02:46:14,800
serve.
The weather is greater, he that

2670
02:46:14,800 --> 02:46:17,400
sitteth at me to order this
service is not Listen to that

2671
02:46:17,400 --> 02:46:21,700
meet but I am among you as he,
that's service.

2672
02:46:23,500 --> 02:46:25,800
Supreet.
This is not about being above

2673
02:46:25,800 --> 02:46:34,800
people and, you know, getting
one person That's one of those

2674
02:46:34,800 --> 02:46:37,300
things that you have to get
correct, right?

2675
02:46:37,300 --> 02:46:41,300
Is this idea that that
priesthood is simply for your

2676
02:46:41,300 --> 02:46:44,800
own self-aggrandizement, and
it's just one step that you've

2677
02:46:44,800 --> 02:46:46,800
got to get.
If you want to use the

2678
02:46:46,800 --> 02:46:51,600
scripture, I mean a term from
back in the day, it's not a

2679
02:46:51,600 --> 02:46:55,400
merit badge that you just get
spent on your your shirt like a

2680
02:46:55,400 --> 02:46:57,900
scout to say that you that
you've done it.

2681
02:46:57,900 --> 02:47:02,500
Three Stooges, only.
Really effective when you're

2682
02:47:02,500 --> 02:47:06,600
when you're trying to bless
somebody else's life right now.

2683
02:47:06,600 --> 02:47:10,200
Obviously we get benefits from
priesthood as priesthood holders

2684
02:47:10,200 --> 02:47:14,600
by being able to engage in
certain ordinances and in being

2685
02:47:14,600 --> 02:47:18,300
able to to administer the
kingdom a little bit.

2686
02:47:18,300 --> 02:47:24,200
But that should all be done with
an eye of service, right?

2687
02:47:25,600 --> 02:47:29,100
Christ, didn't perform miracles
for himself?

2688
02:47:31,300 --> 02:47:38,200
Price didn't use the priesthood.
As a parlor trick or stab them

2689
02:47:38,200 --> 02:47:42,000
booked, it was all about
blessing, somebody else's life

2690
02:47:42,000 --> 02:47:45,700
and if I think we don't approach
the priesthood from that same

2691
02:47:45,700 --> 02:47:52,300
aspect, we're not magnifying or
calling and I agree with you

2692
02:47:52,300 --> 02:47:55,800
100% there that that if we're
not magnify if if we're not

2693
02:47:55,800 --> 02:47:59,100
approaching priesthood from a
point-of-service were missing

2694
02:47:59,100 --> 02:48:02,400
the point we would been we would
have been better off, not

2695
02:48:02,400 --> 02:48:04,900
receiving it.
Yeah.

2696
02:48:04,900 --> 02:48:07,700
Being a servant only degrading
to a man who thinks he's above

2697
02:48:07,700 --> 02:48:09,100
it.
Exactly.

2698
02:48:09,100 --> 02:48:14,100
And as Joseph taught priest, it
can be a blessing or a cursing.

2699
02:48:14,100 --> 02:48:20,800
Absolutely.
Absolutely.

2700
02:48:20,800 --> 02:48:28,000
The last scripture.
And there's only four that, that

2701
02:48:28,000 --> 02:48:30,000
could reasonably be.
Now, there may be others but

2702
02:48:30,000 --> 02:48:33,200
these but but these are
representative like these are

2703
02:48:33,200 --> 02:48:36,400
the primary for scriptures that
proponents of the band used to

2704
02:48:36,400 --> 02:48:38,300
support it.
Genesis chapter 7.

2705
02:48:38,300 --> 02:48:40,600
This is again in the Joseph
Smith translation or the

2706
02:48:40,600 --> 02:48:44,600
inspired version First 29 and
Enoch also be held the residue

2707
02:48:44,600 --> 02:48:47,100
of the people, which were the
sons of Adam and they were a

2708
02:48:47,100 --> 02:48:49,700
mixture of all the seat of
Adams, save it, where the seat

2709
02:48:49,700 --> 02:48:53,200
of cash for the seed of Cain
were black and had not Place

2710
02:48:53,200 --> 02:48:58,600
among them.
So this is again and this is

2711
02:48:58,600 --> 02:49:02,200
pre-flood it so we don't have a
whole lot of details at this

2712
02:49:02,200 --> 02:49:06,300
time in History, Abraham gives
us a little bit more insight

2713
02:49:06,300 --> 02:49:09,900
into Books of Moses, which is
Joseph Smith, translation of

2714
02:49:09,908 --> 02:49:14,800
Genesis.
And so Adams, posterity are in

2715
02:49:14,800 --> 02:49:16,900
her marrying freely with one
another, except with the

2716
02:49:16,900 --> 02:49:20,800
posterity of Kane Kane's
posterity were black, at least

2717
02:49:20,800 --> 02:49:24,300
at the point of history of 42,
North 29th and Kings posterity.

2718
02:49:24,300 --> 02:49:27,400
Were unwelcome to the rest of
that has posterity they were

2719
02:49:27,400 --> 02:49:30,800
separate or segregated.
So these are these, this is all

2720
02:49:30,800 --> 02:49:37,900
this is a verse used to justify
segregation racially and you

2721
02:49:37,900 --> 02:49:43,300
know Inferiority let you know,
superiority inferiority of of by

2722
02:49:43,300 --> 02:49:45,900
Race.
So what I would like to point

2723
02:49:45,900 --> 02:49:50,300
out here is that the full
chapter of the inspired Genesis

2724
02:49:50,300 --> 02:49:54,200
7 AKA Moses seven in the pearl
of great price actually proves

2725
02:49:54,200 --> 02:49:59,200
that the posterity of Cain were
not always black So this is a

2726
02:49:59,200 --> 02:50:02,200
Christian tradition that the,
you know, that the that the

2727
02:50:02,200 --> 02:50:06,100
slave owners were using to
justify the American institution

2728
02:50:06,100 --> 02:50:10,700
of slavery pre-civil war that
will, they were the singers of

2729
02:50:10,700 --> 02:50:13,600
Kane.
And so, we're justified in

2730
02:50:13,600 --> 02:50:17,000
subjugating them.
This this was a Christian

2731
02:50:17,000 --> 02:50:20,800
tradition and most of the people
like all of the people in the

2732
02:50:20,800 --> 02:50:25,100
1840s in the church where
convert, if we're coming from

2733
02:50:25,100 --> 02:50:27,800
Christianity into the church and
so they were bringing a lot of

2734
02:50:27,800 --> 02:50:32,500
this baggage their Christian
traditions in with them and so

2735
02:50:32,500 --> 02:50:37,300
the verses in the same chapter
in Moses 7 or inspired Genesis

2736
02:50:37,300 --> 02:50:39,800
7.
Look at verses 6 through 8th

2737
02:50:39,800 --> 02:50:43,200
that the Lord said unto me look
and he's so this is a prophecy I

2738
02:50:43,200 --> 02:50:45,600
look towards the north I beheld
the people of Canaan which will

2739
02:50:45,600 --> 02:50:47,000
intense the Lord's had
prophesied.

2740
02:50:48,000 --> 02:50:50,300
Sing behold, the people came in
with your numerous shall go

2741
02:50:50,300 --> 02:50:53,500
forth in battle and Ray against
the people of sham, and shall

2742
02:50:53,500 --> 02:50:55,300
slay them, that they shall be
utterly destroyed.

2743
02:50:55,300 --> 02:51:00,000
And the people of Canaan shall
divide themselves in the land

2744
02:51:00,000 --> 02:51:02,000
and the land.
So they commit genocide, they

2745
02:51:02,000 --> 02:51:03,800
completely destroy these
shemites.

2746
02:51:03,800 --> 02:51:09,100
And, and then, as a consequence,
is that they divide themselves

2747
02:51:09,100 --> 02:51:12,600
in the land that and God curses
the land there.

2748
02:51:12,600 --> 02:51:14,800
And then fruitful and none other
people shall blow their.

2749
02:51:14,800 --> 02:51:17,000
But the people came in for
behold, the Lord shall curse the

2750
02:51:17,008 --> 02:51:19,600
land with much heat and the
baroness thereof shall go forth

2751
02:51:19,600 --> 02:51:21,900
forever.
And there was a Blackness Came

2752
02:51:21,900 --> 02:51:25,400
Upon all the children of Cain
and that they were despised

2753
02:51:25,400 --> 02:51:30,400
among all people.
So, This, these versus actually

2754
02:51:30,400 --> 02:51:33,300
reveal.
That the pre-flood Canaanites

2755
02:51:33,300 --> 02:51:38,600
were descendants of Cain. and
that they were cursed with the

2756
02:51:38,600 --> 02:51:42,100
skin of Blackness after they
committed genocide and Slaughter

2757
02:51:42,100 --> 02:51:49,400
the people of Shum so, if
they're already black, Why did

2758
02:51:49,400 --> 02:51:52,000
God curse them with Blackness,
right?

2759
02:51:54,300 --> 02:51:57,000
That's interesting, I've never
noticed that before.

2760
02:51:57,000 --> 02:52:00,300
Another careful reading of
Moses.

2761
02:52:00,300 --> 02:52:04,100
Chapter 5 verses 36 through 40
shows that the curse of Cain

2762
02:52:04,100 --> 02:52:08,900
applies.
Exactly 21 person Cain himself.

2763
02:52:10,700 --> 02:52:15,000
And the curse.
Was he was barred from the

2764
02:52:15,000 --> 02:52:19,800
presence of God.
And Kane in consequence of this

2765
02:52:19,800 --> 02:52:23,500
curse cries out and he's like,
oh no.

2766
02:52:23,500 --> 02:52:27,400
But but I'm getting there.
They're going to kill me.

2767
02:52:27,400 --> 02:52:32,200
If if you kick me out of our
family, you know, the found

2768
02:52:32,200 --> 02:52:35,100
them, they're going to kill me
or who's the day?

2769
02:52:37,700 --> 02:52:42,300
That's an interesting question.
It seems to is to show that

2770
02:52:42,300 --> 02:52:45,800
maybe out and wasn't the only
person on the earth when you

2771
02:52:45,800 --> 02:52:47,300
know what, who knows?
We don't lie.

2772
02:52:47,300 --> 02:52:49,600
That's a little bit speculative.
I think it's an interesting

2773
02:52:49,600 --> 02:52:55,700
subject to study, but but so the
point is Kane is marked for his

2774
02:52:55,700 --> 02:52:58,700
protection because God has
compassion, he's like, yeah,

2775
02:52:58,700 --> 02:53:02,800
you're right came, they will
kill you so I'll put this Mark

2776
02:53:02,800 --> 02:53:05,600
on you.
And it'll protect you.

2777
02:53:05,600 --> 02:53:09,600
And so the skin of Blackness
Came Upon can't and he was cast

2778
02:53:09,600 --> 02:53:11,300
out from the association of
Adam.

2779
02:53:11,300 --> 02:53:17,800
And so, anyways, this just is
really interesting that that the

2780
02:53:17,800 --> 02:53:21,100
curse of Cain is separate from
The Mark of Cain and the

2781
02:53:21,100 --> 02:53:26,300
descendants of Cain.
Must have gotten less black.

2782
02:53:26,300 --> 02:53:30,000
If it was a genetic thing in and
came past down, they must have

2783
02:53:30,000 --> 02:53:34,700
somehow gotten over that genetic
Blackness Because by the time

2784
02:53:34,708 --> 02:53:38,200
they kill the show, my God
curses them with black skin.

2785
02:53:38,200 --> 02:53:42,500
I don't, I don't get how that's
a bad thing or, you know, the

2786
02:53:42,500 --> 02:53:46,100
consequences if they were
already black to begin with and

2787
02:53:46,100 --> 02:53:48,400
the segregation, they did to
themselves and they were

2788
02:53:48,400 --> 02:53:52,200
despised and so is kind of for
protection that they withdrew.

2789
02:53:52,200 --> 02:53:54,700
And so it's not like
definitively saying now.

2790
02:53:54,700 --> 02:53:56,900
Shout Never interact with black
people.

2791
02:53:56,900 --> 02:54:01,800
That's a totally isogenic and
absurd in my opinion because

2792
02:54:01,800 --> 02:54:08,100
it's just, they were their
children were not guilty of

2793
02:54:08,100 --> 02:54:10,000
genocide.
All right.

2794
02:54:10,000 --> 02:54:13,100
Now if they were taught that
that was a good thing then I

2795
02:54:13,100 --> 02:54:14,900
guess you could say that
generational curse would

2796
02:54:14,900 --> 02:54:17,500
perpetuate in so they could
become really bad people.

2797
02:54:17,500 --> 02:54:22,100
But that so the curse I think
what these versus what the

2798
02:54:22,100 --> 02:54:26,800
ironically with the The Inspired
Genesis, you know what the pearl

2799
02:54:26,800 --> 02:54:30,900
of great price.
Abraham proves is that the curse

2800
02:54:30,900 --> 02:54:37,600
of Cain is not a black skin.
Which is interesting cuz even

2801
02:54:37,600 --> 02:54:41,100
Joseph talked about the curse of
Canaan and blacks in in, in kind

2802
02:54:41,100 --> 02:54:43,100
of thing.
But that doesn't mean that

2803
02:54:43,100 --> 02:54:45,600
Joseph was bad or a false
prophet.

2804
02:54:45,600 --> 02:54:49,700
I think it just means
Traditions, just like anybody.

2805
02:54:49,700 --> 02:54:53,900
And and, you know, in that was
the very prevalent, and held you

2806
02:54:53,900 --> 02:54:58,400
of the date that the black race
in America was the seat of Kane.

2807
02:54:58,400 --> 02:55:01,700
And that's why slavery was
justified in a lot of people's

2808
02:55:01,700 --> 02:55:03,900
minds.
Yeah, I know it wasn't, it

2809
02:55:03,900 --> 02:55:05,900
wasn't a uniquely Mormon
teaching.

2810
02:55:05,900 --> 02:55:09,500
I, that's, that's something
that's something we get credit

2811
02:55:09,500 --> 02:55:13,300
for.
That isn't necessarily true.

2812
02:55:13,300 --> 02:55:17,100
That one was actually taught
Methodist churches and

2813
02:55:17,100 --> 02:55:20,200
Presbyterian churches in England
for a long time.

2814
02:55:21,100 --> 02:55:24,700
And then again it is not
exegetical.

2815
02:55:24,700 --> 02:55:28,100
You have to read into it,
anything about this having

2816
02:55:28,100 --> 02:55:32,400
anything to do with priesthood.
So even if they were cursed

2817
02:55:32,400 --> 02:55:35,400
sanded, the skin of Blackness
was the sign tomorrow, Parker

2818
02:55:35,400 --> 02:55:38,100
the curse or whatever like was
that have to do with holding a

2819
02:55:38,100 --> 02:55:40,300
priesthood and that their
Generations you know to

2820
02:55:40,300 --> 02:55:43,900
descendants later couldn't hold
the priesthood because of their

2821
02:55:43,900 --> 02:55:47,300
melanin, right?
You know that it's just I

2822
02:55:47,300 --> 02:55:50,500
suggested you have to really try
hard to push that into the

2823
02:55:50,500 --> 02:55:53,200
words.
So there's two other verses that

2824
02:55:53,200 --> 02:55:56,900
I added to the probe and section
but it's not going to be

2825
02:55:56,900 --> 02:55:59,000
something that I think
proponents of the banner going

2826
02:55:59,000 --> 02:56:03,600
to like because it's it's about
the cursing of the Israelites.

2827
02:56:03,600 --> 02:56:09,000
Inspired version of Exodus, 34
Verse is 1 + 2.

2828
02:56:09,000 --> 02:56:13,300
I was just quote, some excerpts,
I will take away the priest it

2829
02:56:13,300 --> 02:56:16,400
out of their midst.
This is the Israelites there for

2830
02:56:16,400 --> 02:56:19,300
my holy order in the ordinances
thereof, shall not go before

2831
02:56:19,300 --> 02:56:22,200
them for my presence shall not.
When their Miss Celeste, I

2832
02:56:22,200 --> 02:56:25,000
destroy them.
And it's any talks about this is

2833
02:56:25,000 --> 02:56:26,800
Allah carnal Commandments, its
accursed.

2834
02:56:26,800 --> 02:56:31,400
So the Israelites as a people
were cursed pertinent as

2835
02:56:31,400 --> 02:56:35,300
pertaining to the priesthood God
took free sit away from them,

2836
02:56:35,300 --> 02:56:38,200
collectively.
They lost the higher.

2837
02:56:38,200 --> 02:56:39,900
When it said they lost smoke is
decreased it.

2838
02:56:42,200 --> 02:56:46,900
And an inverse in socks and
Covenants section. 84 verses 24

2839
02:56:46,900 --> 02:56:49,500
through 27.
It kind of re-emphasize is this

2840
02:56:49,500 --> 02:56:55,400
that the law of Moses in his
wrath swarth and gives him gives

2841
02:56:55,400 --> 02:56:57,400
in this curse and therefore word
for 25.

2842
02:56:57,400 --> 02:56:59,400
He took Moses out of their midst
and the holy priesthood.

2843
02:56:59,400 --> 02:57:03,400
Also in the Lesser priests we
continued which gospel is the

2844
02:57:03,400 --> 02:57:06,300
repentance and baptism mission
of sandwich, and the law of

2845
02:57:06,300 --> 02:57:08,800
carnal Commandments, which the
Lord and his wrath, cause to

2846
02:57:08,800 --> 02:57:11,100
continue with the house of air
in among the children of Israel

2847
02:57:11,100 --> 02:57:14,200
until John.
So this defines the time.

2848
02:57:14,200 --> 02:57:18,300
That this curse of condition of
the Israelites started in Moses,

2849
02:57:19,300 --> 02:57:21,200
And lasted until John the
Baptist.

2850
02:57:22,300 --> 02:57:25,600
Can you think of any profits
that held Melchizedek priesthood

2851
02:57:25,600 --> 02:57:29,200
between Moses?
And John, the Baptist?

2852
02:57:33,200 --> 02:57:34,700
A lot.
I mean, Elijah.

2853
02:57:34,700 --> 02:57:38,600
I held the fullness of the
priesthood, you know, he's the

2854
02:57:38,600 --> 02:57:41,300
one that restored it to Joseph
and Oliver in the Kirtland

2855
02:57:41,300 --> 02:57:45,900
Lehigh.
And this this is the people that

2856
02:57:45,900 --> 02:57:48,400
came across with to the
Americas.

2857
02:57:48,400 --> 02:57:52,400
Like, they saw defy testified
that he saw Christ, he and his

2858
02:57:52,400 --> 02:57:55,800
brother, Jacob and you don't,
you don't have those

2859
02:57:55,800 --> 02:57:57,700
experiences.
You don't become a literal

2860
02:57:57,700 --> 02:58:00,600
Apostle without the ordinances
cuz Joseph taught that without

2861
02:58:00,600 --> 02:58:05,200
the ordinance, is there a unit.
So these to me prove

2862
02:58:05,200 --> 02:58:09,700
definitively that even if a
people is cursed collectively,

2863
02:58:11,000 --> 02:58:15,600
If an individual among that
people repents, they can

2864
02:58:15,600 --> 02:58:17,700
overcome the effects of that
curse within their own.

2865
02:58:17,700 --> 02:58:19,900
I see where you're going there.
Okay?

2866
02:58:19,900 --> 02:58:21,600
Yeah, no.
I see that.

2867
02:58:21,600 --> 02:58:25,700
Cuz yeah, okay.
Yeah, even though the the, the

2868
02:58:25,700 --> 02:58:29,200
Melchizedek priesthood was
taking out of their meds, there

2869
02:58:29,200 --> 02:58:32,200
were still still men that held
it at various times.

2870
02:58:32,208 --> 02:58:36,000
I got, you know, I make sense.
Presumably Isaiah, Jeremiah

2871
02:58:36,000 --> 02:58:41,100
Elijah is absolutely undeniable
explicit.

2872
02:58:41,100 --> 02:58:42,200
If you believe in the
restoration?

2873
02:58:42,200 --> 02:58:47,200
Yeah, yep.
Absolutely Okay.

2874
02:58:47,200 --> 02:58:51,300
So yeah that's texted it I mean
there's there's no other

2875
02:58:51,300 --> 02:58:54,000
scriptures that I could find
that really supported the ban.

2876
02:58:54,000 --> 02:58:56,600
Let's go through.
We already talked about Abraham

2877
02:58:56,600 --> 02:58:59,000
chapter 2.
Let's just go through quickly

2878
02:58:59,000 --> 02:59:03,900
and then highlight a few other
versus section 101, inverse 79.

2879
02:59:03,900 --> 02:59:07,000
Therefore it is not right.
That any man should be in

2880
02:59:07,000 --> 02:59:12,800
bondage one to another. so, even
though God obviously has

2881
02:59:12,800 --> 02:59:18,600
permitted slavery in the past,
In this dispensation he's got

2882
02:59:18,600 --> 02:59:20,900
something else in mind says it
is wrong.

2883
02:59:20,900 --> 02:59:29,300
And so what this does is even if
you look at Abraham one, as a

2884
02:59:29,300 --> 02:59:35,800
true I said, as a true fan of
priesthood, this verse

2885
02:59:35,800 --> 02:59:39,500
definitively proves that not all
ancient scriptures are by In

2886
02:59:39,500 --> 02:59:45,900
This dispensation and so to
apply Abraham one, Would require

2887
02:59:45,900 --> 02:59:50,100
Revelation, right?
And Brigham Young never actually

2888
02:59:50,100 --> 02:59:53,400
delivered revelation.
On the fan.

2889
02:59:55,300 --> 02:59:59,900
So, section, 38, verses 24
through 27.

2890
02:59:59,900 --> 03:00:04,100
And let every man is Steve, his
brother as himself in practice

2891
03:00:04,100 --> 03:00:06,500
virtue and Holiness before me.
And again, I say it to you.

2892
03:00:06,500 --> 03:00:10,100
Let every man has his brother as
himself for what man among you

2893
03:00:10,100 --> 03:00:12,200
having twelve sons in is no
respecter of them and they

2894
03:00:12,200 --> 03:00:14,300
surfing obediently.
And he saith unto the one beat

2895
03:00:14,300 --> 03:00:16,900
out clothes in robes, and sit
out here and do the other peel

2896
03:00:16,900 --> 03:00:18,700
closed in rags and sit down
there.

2897
03:00:18,700 --> 03:00:20,400
And look at the pond his sons
and say it.

2898
03:00:20,400 --> 03:00:24,000
I am just behold this, I have
given unto you as a parable, and

2899
03:00:24,000 --> 03:00:28,200
it is even as I am, I say unto
you be one and if you are not

2900
03:00:28,200 --> 03:00:36,400
one, ye are not mine.
So are black people children of

2901
03:00:36,408 --> 03:00:39,900
God?
Do they have souls on the

2902
03:00:39,900 --> 03:00:42,700
subjects of Salvation are?
They are brothers and sisters.

2903
03:00:44,400 --> 03:00:47,600
Even if everything is true about
that, the people believe that,

2904
03:00:47,600 --> 03:00:49,400
that they know they're
descendants of Cain or the

2905
03:00:49,400 --> 03:00:55,300
Canaanites and they've been
cursed, or whatever. if if they

2906
03:00:55,300 --> 03:01:01,100
are serving God obediently, She
is, he is absolutely denying

2907
03:01:01,100 --> 03:01:04,900
that he's going to be partial.
Says, I am not going to respect

2908
03:01:04,900 --> 03:01:09,400
and give one robes, which
priesthood ropes templates could

2909
03:01:09,400 --> 03:01:13,400
that apply and and the other
Rags say no, you can't receive

2910
03:01:13,400 --> 03:01:15,300
it.
They're both are so blatantly

2911
03:01:15,300 --> 03:01:21,100
serving him.
It is unjust to treat them

2912
03:01:21,100 --> 03:01:24,700
differently.
The other thing is a B-1 and if

2913
03:01:24,700 --> 03:01:31,800
you're not one of your not mind,
A flat are black people children

2914
03:01:31,800 --> 03:01:34,800
of God or not.
Is there are there two tiers of

2915
03:01:34,800 --> 03:01:39,600
childhood in in God's family?
Or is there are we all God's

2916
03:01:39,600 --> 03:01:42,400
children?
If there if there's not two

2917
03:01:42,400 --> 03:01:46,600
tiers?
Then this applies to All Saints?

2918
03:01:46,600 --> 03:01:49,900
Black white Von free.
We must become one and if we're

2919
03:01:49,900 --> 03:01:58,200
not we're not Christ.
Genesis 141, again from the

2920
03:01:58,208 --> 03:02:01,300
inspired version and Pharaoh
called Jose, his name

2921
03:02:01,300 --> 03:02:06,900
zaphnath-paaneah and he gave him
to wife alcinous, the daughter

2922
03:02:06,900 --> 03:02:11,700
of tata for a priest of own.
And Joseph went out to over all

2923
03:02:11,700 --> 03:02:14,000
the land of Egypt and Joseph was
30 years old when he stood

2924
03:02:14,000 --> 03:02:15,700
before Pharaoh, king of Egypt
and Josephine.

2925
03:02:15,700 --> 03:02:20,000
Okay.
So Joseph the patriarch, the son

2926
03:02:20,000 --> 03:02:23,000
of Israel, married and Egyptian
lady.

2927
03:02:23,000 --> 03:02:28,200
And she is the mother of Ephraim
and Manasseh.

2928
03:02:30,200 --> 03:02:35,200
Egyptians are the are the people
who an Abraham one, preserve the

2929
03:02:35,200 --> 03:02:40,900
curse in the land through.
Gypped us wife of him. so, so

2930
03:02:40,900 --> 03:02:48,600
literally if this is the case,
All ephraimites.

2931
03:02:48,600 --> 03:02:52,800
Which how many in the church?
How many and fundamentalism are

2932
03:02:52,800 --> 03:03:00,000
each of the tribe of Ephraim?
Write a lot a lot. so, if it was

2933
03:03:00,000 --> 03:03:08,000
half black, I'll have to Gyptian
which Abraham one claims has

2934
03:03:08,000 --> 03:03:10,700
black cuz that's it.
That's the race that preserved

2935
03:03:10,700 --> 03:03:17,400
the curse of the pre-flood
Canaanites in the land. so, And

2936
03:03:17,400 --> 03:03:20,100
anyhow.
Anyway, numbers to your numbers.

2937
03:03:20,100 --> 03:03:21,800
12, this is again from the
inspired version.

2938
03:03:21,800 --> 03:03:26,500
I'm not going to read the whole
chapter cuz this is like 15/61

2939
03:03:26,500 --> 03:03:29,400
as long as it's not super long
but you can just read it on your

2940
03:03:29,400 --> 03:03:31,400
own.
It's in the essay Miriam and

2941
03:03:31,400 --> 03:03:34,700
Aaron criticize Moses for
Mariner.

2942
03:03:34,708 --> 03:03:41,300
Ethiopian woman.
And you know, they thought that

2943
03:03:41,300 --> 03:03:44,000
he shouldn't have done that that
it was wrong for Moses to have

2944
03:03:44,000 --> 03:03:46,600
married.
An Ethiopian right now, it

2945
03:03:46,600 --> 03:03:49,600
doesn't, it doesn't explicitly
say that this Ethiopian woman

2946
03:03:49,600 --> 03:03:53,100
was black.
But come on.

2947
03:03:53,100 --> 03:03:56,600
She's from Ethiopia guys.
I don't know.

2948
03:03:56,600 --> 03:04:03,500
Now and so what does God do?
He smites Moses with the cursed?

2949
03:04:03,500 --> 03:04:07,100
Is he married a black lady and
he cuts off his head and and

2950
03:04:07,100 --> 03:04:10,400
hers and their to know, Miriam
gets curse.

2951
03:04:10,400 --> 03:04:15,800
Ironically with Leprosy, right
and Moses intercede in your

2952
03:04:15,800 --> 03:04:17,900
behalf index.
God to remove this curse from

2953
03:04:17,900 --> 03:04:23,500
Marion and and she after 7 Days
gets killed and is able to

2954
03:04:23,500 --> 03:04:31,300
return to the camp of Israel.
But like talk about ironic Now,

2955
03:04:31,300 --> 03:04:36,000
I've heard people, I caught in a
crowd, I believe, has used, this

2956
03:04:36,000 --> 03:04:40,100
is proof of polygamy and that
could be maybe to see if he'll

2957
03:04:40,100 --> 03:04:44,400
be in woman was a second wife or
whatever, but it is possible

2958
03:04:44,400 --> 03:04:47,700
that Jethro was an Ethiopian as
well.

2959
03:04:47,700 --> 03:04:51,100
And that the Ethiopian wife that
Miriam and Aaron were

2960
03:04:51,100 --> 03:04:54,800
criticizing Moses for was
actually Sapore the daughter of

2961
03:04:54,800 --> 03:04:58,600
Jethro.
Now, if that's the case, Where

2962
03:04:58,600 --> 03:05:04,900
did Moses get his priesthood?
Jethro Jethro, it wasn't even an

2963
03:05:04,900 --> 03:05:08,900
Israelite Jennifer, wasn't even
a descendant of Abraham use the

2964
03:05:08,900 --> 03:05:11,400
midianite yet.
Yeah.

2965
03:05:11,400 --> 03:05:18,100
And he traced it back to a
contemporary of Abraham, but it

2966
03:05:18,100 --> 03:05:20,600
says that he got his priesthood
from God not Abraham.

2967
03:05:20,600 --> 03:05:24,100
So this is a completely
independent Priests of line,

2968
03:05:24,100 --> 03:05:26,900
from abrahamic covenant, seed
of, you know, of Abraham and

2969
03:05:26,908 --> 03:05:30,600
Israel and and it's very
possible.

2970
03:05:32,100 --> 03:05:37,700
That.
His wife was the Ethiopian at

2971
03:05:37,700 --> 03:05:45,600
referred to in Exodus 34.
Receiving a 1200 K.

2972
03:05:45,600 --> 03:05:49,200
John chapter one.
He came unto his own and his own

2973
03:05:49,200 --> 03:05:52,900
received him, not that as many
as received him to them, he gave

2974
03:05:52,900 --> 03:05:55,900
power to become the sons of God.
Even to them, that believe on

2975
03:05:55,900 --> 03:05:58,100
his name, which were born out of
blood, nor of the will of the

2976
03:05:58,100 --> 03:06:04,000
flesh, nor the will of man.
But if God, so if the abrahamic

2977
03:06:04,000 --> 03:06:07,500
Covenant wasn't enough, We have
Christ.

2978
03:06:08,800 --> 03:06:12,900
Who over and over and over.
Testifies in a we're going to

2979
03:06:12,900 --> 03:06:15,500
read section 11 verse 28, to 30,
behold.

2980
03:06:15,500 --> 03:06:17,100
I am Jesus Christ, I am the
same.

2981
03:06:17,100 --> 03:06:19,700
You came into my own in my own
received me not but verily, I

2982
03:06:19,700 --> 03:06:21,600
say unto you.
As many as received me to then,

2983
03:06:21,600 --> 03:06:24,100
will I give power to become the
sons of God, even to them, that

2984
03:06:24,100 --> 03:06:25,600
believe in my name.
Amen.

2985
03:06:25,600 --> 03:06:32,700
And section, 45 verses 7 & 8.
I am Alpha and Omega the

2986
03:06:32,700 --> 03:06:34,800
beginning, and the end, the
light that shineth in darkness

2987
03:06:34,800 --> 03:06:36,800
and the Darkness, comprehended
it not.

2988
03:06:36,800 --> 03:06:43,300
That's an interesting.
I came on to mine own and my own

2989
03:06:43,300 --> 03:06:45,400
received me not.
But as many as receive me gave

2990
03:06:45,400 --> 03:06:47,600
up our to do many miracles to
become the sons of God.

2991
03:06:47,600 --> 03:06:50,900
Even to them, that believe down
my name be if I power to obtain

2992
03:06:50,900 --> 03:06:54,000
eternal life.
So if the abrahamic Covenant,

2993
03:06:54,000 --> 03:06:58,000
Abraham chapter 2 isn't enough,
we have all of these new

2994
03:06:58,000 --> 03:07:01,200
testament Doctrine and Covenants
testimonies of Christ himself

2995
03:07:01,200 --> 03:07:04,600
saying that anybody who receives
him.

2996
03:07:07,000 --> 03:07:13,000
Gets power to become God's Sons.
And to obtain eternal life.

2997
03:07:13,000 --> 03:07:17,300
What is eternal life, Dave?
You turn the lifx alteration,

2998
03:07:17,300 --> 03:07:20,500
right?
We went cuz the scripture is

2999
03:07:20,500 --> 03:07:22,800
pretty clear that their
salvation, and then there's

3000
03:07:22,800 --> 03:07:26,000
eternal life.
Ya eternal life is exaltation.

3001
03:07:26,000 --> 03:07:33,500
It is, it is, you know, having
increase Eternal Marriage.

3002
03:07:33,500 --> 03:07:37,500
Ya possible.
It's impossible to attain

3003
03:07:37,500 --> 03:07:40,400
eternal life without the
fullness of the ordinances of

3004
03:07:40,400 --> 03:07:44,300
the temple and the price.
So regardless of whatever may or

3005
03:07:44,300 --> 03:07:47,000
may not have applied pre Christ
or free, the abrahamic, Covenant

3006
03:07:47,000 --> 03:07:52,000
Doctrine and Covenants section.
45 verse 8 definitively declares

3007
03:07:52,000 --> 03:07:53,500
the barring anyone from holding
the priest.

3008
03:07:53,500 --> 03:08:00,800
It on the basis of race is not
of God in this dispensation 2nd

3009
03:08:00,800 --> 03:08:06,400
Nephi chapter 26, verse 33.
Heathen is none that come unto

3010
03:08:06,400 --> 03:08:09,100
him black and white bandhan free
male and female.

3011
03:08:09,100 --> 03:08:12,500
He remember if the Heathen all
are alike unto God bless you in

3012
03:08:12,500 --> 03:08:16,100
Gentile, you do with nothing,
save it be planning to the

3013
03:08:16,108 --> 03:08:18,000
children of men.
He invited them all to come to

3014
03:08:18,000 --> 03:08:21,300
him and partake of his goodness
doctor and Covenants Section 1

3015
03:08:21,300 --> 03:08:24,600
vs, 34 + 35 again, verily.
I say unto the old inhabitants

3016
03:08:24,600 --> 03:08:26,700
of the Earth by the Lord and
willing to make these things

3017
03:08:26,700 --> 03:08:34,400
known unto all flesh.
Are black people flesh for I am

3018
03:08:34,400 --> 03:08:37,400
no respecter of persons God is
he?

3019
03:08:37,400 --> 03:08:40,700
He's offended.
That we would think he is a

3020
03:08:40,700 --> 03:08:43,700
respecter of persons, are they?
He's partial, or he's going to

3021
03:08:43,708 --> 03:08:45,300
give preference to this or that
people.

3022
03:08:45,300 --> 03:08:50,300
He, he denies it over and over
first Nephi, chapter 17, verse

3023
03:08:50,300 --> 03:08:53,000
35 behold, the Lord of steam.
It's All Flesh in one.

3024
03:08:53,000 --> 03:08:55,500
He that is righteous is favor of
God.

3025
03:08:56,800 --> 03:09:00,200
Section 35.
Verse to, I am Jesus Christ, the

3026
03:09:00,200 --> 03:09:02,700
son of God, who was crucified
for the sins of the world, even

3027
03:09:02,700 --> 03:09:05,000
as many as will believe on my
name, that they may become the

3028
03:09:05,000 --> 03:09:07,000
sons of God.
Even wanted me is, I am one in

3029
03:09:07,000 --> 03:09:11,300
the father is the father is one
of meat that we may become one.

3030
03:09:11,300 --> 03:09:14,500
There are no different classes
of children in the family of

3031
03:09:14,500 --> 03:09:18,100
God, there's not like the white
tear, in the black tear, these

3032
03:09:18,100 --> 03:09:21,000
it.
If so, Christ could have said

3033
03:09:21,000 --> 03:09:23,200
this, that he'd be a wire in
section 35.

3034
03:09:23,200 --> 03:09:25,000
Verse to do.
You have to have said, like,

3035
03:09:25,000 --> 03:09:27,400
some of you must become one or
you must become too.

3036
03:09:27,400 --> 03:09:32,600
There is no hierarchy, family,
of God, the scriptures never say

3037
03:09:32,600 --> 03:09:36,700
it.
And so, it's Preposterous to

3038
03:09:36,700 --> 03:09:42,000
suppose that there are two tiers
within the family of God is it

3039
03:09:42,000 --> 03:09:49,500
gets anti scriptural section, 58
verses 7 through 9 Feast of fat,

3040
03:09:49,500 --> 03:09:53,000
things might be prepared for the
poor, a feast of fat things wine

3041
03:09:53,000 --> 03:09:54,400
on the leaf.
Blower find that the Earth may

3042
03:09:54,400 --> 03:09:56,100
know of the mouths of the
prophets shall not fail.

3043
03:09:56,100 --> 03:09:59,300
A supper of the house of the
Lord well-prepared unto all

3044
03:09:59,300 --> 03:10:07,500
nations shall be invited.
Are there, are there any black

3045
03:10:07,500 --> 03:10:13,900
nations in the world?
And are invited to the Feast of

3046
03:10:13,900 --> 03:10:17,300
the Lamb.
OK, faith?

3047
03:10:17,300 --> 03:10:21,900
That lecture, the third verse
21, it is equally as necessary.

3048
03:10:21,900 --> 03:10:23,800
That men should have.
The idea that he is a God, who

3049
03:10:23,800 --> 03:10:26,600
changes not in order to have
faith on him, as it is, to have

3050
03:10:26,600 --> 03:10:29,200
the idea that he is gracious and
long-suffering for without the

3051
03:10:29,200 --> 03:10:32,300
idea of unchangeable, listen,
the character of the DD doubt

3052
03:10:32,300 --> 03:10:36,400
would take the place of Faith
with the idea that he changes.

3053
03:10:36,400 --> 03:10:38,400
Not Faith, lays hold upon the
excellent.

3054
03:10:38,400 --> 03:10:40,300
Season is character with
unshakable confidence.

3055
03:10:40,300 --> 03:10:43,600
Believing he is the same
yesterday today and forever and

3056
03:10:43,600 --> 03:10:45,500
that his courses, one Eternal
round.

3057
03:10:46,600 --> 03:10:51,600
So I want to just take a minute
and talk about the Golden Rule

3058
03:10:51,600 --> 03:10:58,100
which is literally like the the
the most basic Foundation of

3059
03:10:58,108 --> 03:11:00,200
fundamental principle of
Christianity.

3060
03:11:00,200 --> 03:11:03,800
Little Mormonism is something,
we teach babies, like the first

3061
03:11:03,800 --> 03:11:07,300
thing you teach your little
babies is, you know, don't don't

3062
03:11:07,300 --> 03:11:09,300
be mean.
You wouldn't want somebody to be

3063
03:11:09,300 --> 03:11:12,100
mean to you at.
Do you want to others as you

3064
03:11:12,100 --> 03:11:14,200
would have others?
Do unto you like this is about

3065
03:11:14,200 --> 03:11:18,800
as simple and clear-cut, as it
gets, take a moment and

3066
03:11:18,800 --> 03:11:25,100
honestly, try to see Through The
Eyes of a black person, could

3067
03:11:25,100 --> 03:11:28,100
you exercise faith in a God, who
give the blessings of the

3068
03:11:28,100 --> 03:11:31,500
priesthood two, white men in
your church, that not you,

3069
03:11:31,500 --> 03:11:35,200
because of the circumstances,
you had absolutely no memory or

3070
03:11:35,200 --> 03:11:38,600
control over.
Would you with the god, you

3071
03:11:38,600 --> 03:11:41,200
believe in punish the children
of Cain and Kanan, on to the

3072
03:11:41,200 --> 03:11:43,300
300th generation?
Do?

3073
03:11:43,300 --> 03:11:46,600
We believe that Joseph is,
Joseph declared in the second

3074
03:11:46,600 --> 03:11:49,200
Article of Faith, that men will
be punished for their own sins

3075
03:11:49,200 --> 03:11:54,200
and not somebody else's.
These are really important

3076
03:11:54,200 --> 03:11:58,200
questions to seriously consider
as Fundamentalist.

3077
03:11:59,600 --> 03:12:06,700
And I understand I'm I'm I'm I'm
challenging a very sacred cow

3078
03:12:06,700 --> 03:12:11,700
and it does seriously, hard felt
tradition with and

3079
03:12:11,700 --> 03:12:14,200
fundamentalism.
And I'm trying to do this in as

3080
03:12:14,200 --> 03:12:19,100
respectfully away as possible,
but I can't help.

3081
03:12:20,200 --> 03:12:22,500
But but feel strongly about
this.

3082
03:12:23,600 --> 03:12:26,900
The ban is Antichrist.
The priesthood Dan is

3083
03:12:26,900 --> 03:12:32,800
Antichrist.
Section 112 verses, 28, and 29

3084
03:12:32,800 --> 03:12:37,300
purify your hearts before me and
then go, ye into all the world

3085
03:12:37,300 --> 03:12:42,600
and preach my gospel into every
creature who has not received it

3086
03:12:42,600 --> 03:12:44,700
and he that believeth and is
baptized shall be saved.

3087
03:12:44,700 --> 03:12:47,700
And either believe, it's not and
is not baptized shall be damned

3088
03:12:49,200 --> 03:12:54,400
You can't eat it, you know, and
ends, excuse that I've heard

3089
03:12:54,400 --> 03:12:58,200
from fundamentalist is that will
they can be baptized and they

3090
03:12:58,200 --> 03:13:02,200
can be have salvation.
Anything short of exaltation.

3091
03:13:03,700 --> 03:13:07,100
Is a limit.
You can't have eternal increase

3092
03:13:07,100 --> 03:13:09,500
in any degree, less than
exaltation.

3093
03:13:09,500 --> 03:13:12,400
I mean, we all acknowledge this,
we all agree on that.

3094
03:13:12,400 --> 03:13:17,900
And so therefore, even if you're
in the Celestial Kingdom, It is

3095
03:13:17,900 --> 03:13:20,800
a form of damnation, you can't
progress, you're not having

3096
03:13:20,800 --> 03:13:25,500
Eternal increase in posterity
without eternal life or

3097
03:13:25,500 --> 03:13:28,800
exaltation.
Anything if anything less than

3098
03:13:28,800 --> 03:13:33,500
exaltation is, is, is damnation
is 2 technically, a state of

3099
03:13:33,500 --> 03:13:37,500
damnation, is it possible to
obtain exaltation without the

3100
03:13:37,500 --> 03:13:41,900
ordinances know, it's exactly.
Know, is it possible to receive

3101
03:13:41,900 --> 03:13:43,400
the ordinances without the
priesthood?

3102
03:13:46,300 --> 03:13:49,100
Matthew 18, therefore is the
Kingdom of Heaven.

3103
03:13:49,100 --> 03:13:51,500
Liked him into a certain King
who would take account of his

3104
03:13:51,500 --> 03:13:53,200
servants.
And one of the gun to reckon one

3105
03:13:53,200 --> 03:13:56,100
was brought onto him which one
in ten thousand talents before.

3106
03:13:56,100 --> 03:13:58,800
As much as he had not to pay his
Lord, commanded him to be sold

3107
03:13:58,800 --> 03:14:01,200
and his wife and children and
all that he had in payments be

3108
03:14:01,200 --> 03:14:04,100
made the servant therefore fell
down and worshipped him saying

3109
03:14:04,100 --> 03:14:07,500
Lord, have patience with me and
I will pay the all then the Lord

3110
03:14:07,500 --> 03:14:10,000
of that servant was moved with
compassion and loose him and

3111
03:14:10,000 --> 03:14:13,100
forgave him the debt.
But then the same servant went

3112
03:14:13,100 --> 03:14:15,100
out and found.
One of his fellow servants will

3113
03:14:15,100 --> 03:14:17,600
Jordan 100 Pence and he laid
hands on him and took him by the

3114
03:14:17,600 --> 03:14:19,600
throat.
Same pay me, that that will list

3115
03:14:19,600 --> 03:14:22,500
and his fellow servant fell down
at his feet and besought him

3116
03:14:22,500 --> 03:14:26,000
saying have patience with me and
I will pay the all and he would

3117
03:14:26,000 --> 03:14:28,400
not, but when and cast him into
prison till he should pay the

3118
03:14:28,400 --> 03:14:30,500
debt.
So when his fellow servants saw

3119
03:14:30,500 --> 03:14:33,300
what was done, they were very
sorry and they came and told him

3120
03:14:33,300 --> 03:14:34,300
to their lord, all that was
done.

3121
03:14:34,300 --> 03:14:37,000
Then his Lord after he had
called and said unto him o that

3122
03:14:37,000 --> 03:14:39,800
Wicked servant.
I forgave thee, all that debt

3123
03:14:39,800 --> 03:14:44,400
because I would have Cyrus, to
me also have had compassion on

3124
03:14:44,400 --> 03:14:47,500
my fellow servant, even as I had
pity on the and his Lord was

3125
03:14:47,500 --> 03:14:49,900
wroth and delivered him to the
tormentors till he should pay.

3126
03:14:49,900 --> 03:14:52,700
All that was due unto him.
So, likewise shall my heavenly

3127
03:14:52,700 --> 03:14:56,200
father, do also unto you.
If ye from your hearts, forgive

3128
03:14:56,200 --> 03:14:59,700
not every one, his brother,
their trespasses at this is an

3129
03:14:59,700 --> 03:15:08,200
analogy of forgiveness and debt.
But we are all Beggars.

3130
03:15:08,200 --> 03:15:12,100
So before before you think that
this doesn't apply to the

3131
03:15:12,100 --> 03:15:17,400
priesthood ban question, Like
you have all sinned and come

3132
03:15:17,400 --> 03:15:19,900
short of the glory of God.
We are all big.

3133
03:15:19,900 --> 03:15:23,700
So that's in Romans 3:23.
We are all Beggars Moses 4:19.

3134
03:15:23,700 --> 03:15:28,800
None of us should consider a
color like worthy your your sink

3135
03:15:28,800 --> 03:15:31,200
that were entitled or even that
we're good.

3136
03:15:31,200 --> 03:15:32,900
Jesus says why callest thou me?
Good.

3137
03:15:32,900 --> 03:15:38,000
There is none good but one that
is God So consider the word

3138
03:15:38,000 --> 03:15:40,700
priesthood lessons and now and
more as an adjectives.

3139
03:15:40,700 --> 03:15:43,000
So like to illustrate what I'm
trying to convey.

3140
03:15:43,000 --> 03:15:47,500
A neighborhood is just a hood or
group of neighbors people who

3141
03:15:47,500 --> 03:15:51,600
look like to write a Brotherhood
is a hood or group of brothers,

3142
03:15:51,600 --> 03:15:54,500
like, men who share the either
the same parents, like

3143
03:15:54,500 --> 03:15:57,900
biological or they just feel
that they have really good Bond

3144
03:15:57,900 --> 03:15:59,400
and then sense of connection of
Brotherhood.

3145
03:15:59,400 --> 03:16:05,200
What is priesthood?
Just means a hood or a group of

3146
03:16:05,200 --> 03:16:07,600
priests and I don't mean to the
species to be sacrilegious, or

3147
03:16:07,608 --> 03:16:11,800
or anything, but just a group of
Body Of Man whom God

3148
03:16:11,808 --> 03:16:16,000
specifically called and ordained
to serve and do his will, and

3149
03:16:16,000 --> 03:16:19,500
work on the Earth.
What is God's will to serve

3150
03:16:19,500 --> 03:16:22,000
mankind?
Priesthood is servanthood in

3151
03:16:22,000 --> 03:16:24,500
God's holy name if you don't
want to be a servant for the

3152
03:16:24,508 --> 03:16:28,800
rest of this life and all the
eternity, I would submit you

3153
03:16:28,800 --> 03:16:33,600
don't want the fries I believe
that men who do not understand

3154
03:16:33,600 --> 03:16:36,200
this principle in and think that
receive increased, it makes them

3155
03:16:36,200 --> 03:16:39,800
special or above anyone else,
will never attain power in the

3156
03:16:39,808 --> 03:16:42,000
tri-state.
It will be a curse behold areas

3157
03:16:42,000 --> 03:16:44,600
where he's left onto himself to
kick against the Pricks to

3158
03:16:44,600 --> 03:16:45,800
persecute the Saints in the
fight.

3159
03:16:45,800 --> 03:16:48,200
Against God, we have learned by
sad experience.

3160
03:16:48,200 --> 03:16:50,500
That is the nature and
disposition of almost all men.

3161
03:16:50,500 --> 03:16:53,100
As soon as they get a little
authorities, they supposed they

3162
03:16:53,100 --> 03:16:55,800
will immediately begin to
exercise unrighteous Dominion.

3163
03:16:55,800 --> 03:16:58,300
Hence, many are called, but few
are chosen.

3164
03:17:01,200 --> 03:17:05,500
So again, that's the end of the
scriptural examination in the

3165
03:17:05,508 --> 03:17:12,900
essay first essay. 2 years ago
today, I guess it's been more

3166
03:17:12,900 --> 03:17:15,600
like a year ago but it started a
couple years ago that this

3167
03:17:15,600 --> 03:17:18,000
question, became on the
Forefront of my mind.

3168
03:17:18,008 --> 03:17:24,500
It was so we are unclear to me
like it was confusing.

3169
03:17:24,500 --> 03:17:28,300
I'll try to read the scriptures
and I couldn't really Get it

3170
03:17:28,300 --> 03:17:33,800
like clear answers are clear,
understanding that having having

3171
03:17:33,800 --> 03:17:36,800
had a revelatory experience
personally and then haven't gone

3172
03:17:36,800 --> 03:17:40,800
back through an end in this
exercise of preparing and

3173
03:17:40,800 --> 03:17:42,100
researching and writing this
essay.

3174
03:17:42,100 --> 03:17:46,200
It is so crystal clear to me
that this the scriptures are

3175
03:17:46,200 --> 03:17:51,000
undeniable.
That the priest of Dan was wrong

3176
03:17:51,000 --> 03:17:52,900
from day one.
It was a mistake.

3177
03:17:52,900 --> 03:17:55,700
It should have never been
implemented in it as a mistake.

3178
03:17:55,700 --> 03:17:59,100
If it was a mistake to begin,
it's a mistake to perpetuate it

3179
03:17:59,100 --> 03:18:02,200
and you know, it can't just Alba
10, Don, Brigham.

3180
03:18:04,000 --> 03:18:07,400
Anybody who is going to uphold
it then.

3181
03:18:07,400 --> 03:18:13,000
And now today, Has.
Personal responsibility.

3182
03:18:14,700 --> 03:18:20,300
For doing that.
Joseph Smith, taught.

3183
03:18:20,300 --> 03:18:23,800
If any man writes to Europe
reaches two doctrines, contrary

3184
03:18:23,800 --> 03:18:26,600
to the Bible, the Book of
Mormon, or the book of Doctrine

3185
03:18:26,600 --> 03:18:29,300
and Covenants, set him down as
an imposter.

3186
03:18:32,900 --> 03:18:36,200
Now.
I'm not saying that we should

3187
03:18:36,200 --> 03:18:39,900
like reject Brigham Young
because I don't think I don't

3188
03:18:39,900 --> 03:18:41,500
see this as an all-or-nothing
proposition.

3189
03:18:41,500 --> 03:18:47,900
I think that the baby is
beautiful and there's some bath

3190
03:18:47,900 --> 03:18:49,900
water in the legacy of Brigham
Young.

3191
03:18:49,900 --> 03:18:57,400
And and, you know, we can we can
accept and embrace and, and

3192
03:18:57,400 --> 03:19:00,800
appreciate and be so grateful
for the good that Brigham Young

3193
03:19:00,800 --> 03:19:03,900
accomplish in his life and
Legacy of greatness that he

3194
03:19:03,900 --> 03:19:06,500
left, and it's not an
all-or-nothing proposition.

3195
03:19:06,500 --> 03:19:11,000
And if he was wrong about the
priesthood ban, the sooner, we

3196
03:19:11,000 --> 03:19:21,800
let go of that the better.
Okay, so there's also the 2nd

3197
03:19:21,800 --> 03:19:27,400
essay.
The second essay basically you

3198
03:19:27,400 --> 03:19:29,700
should read the first essay
first because it lays the

3199
03:19:29,700 --> 03:19:31,400
scriptural and historical
Foundation.

3200
03:19:31,400 --> 03:19:35,200
The second essay is just more of
a rational examination.

3201
03:19:35,200 --> 03:19:41,500
And you know there's a lot of
Reason William Drummond said

3202
03:19:41,500 --> 03:19:43,200
something that was adapted by
Joseph Smith.

3203
03:19:43,200 --> 03:19:45,300
He says the glory of God is
intelligence.

3204
03:19:45,300 --> 03:19:48,900
Blessed is The Man Who develops
his intellect by reason, because

3205
03:19:48,900 --> 03:19:51,400
the man who will not reason is a
bigot.

3206
03:19:51,400 --> 03:19:55,500
The Man Who Cannot reason is a
fool and The Man Who Dares, not

3207
03:19:55,500 --> 03:20:03,400
reason is a Slave, So I think
that we need to be willing to

3208
03:20:03,400 --> 03:20:08,600
examine things even things that
we assumed were true Our Lives.

3209
03:20:08,600 --> 03:20:12,500
Because if it, if it's if it's
true, it will.

3210
03:20:12,500 --> 03:20:16,000
Uphold, it'll withstand
scrutiny, will speak for itself.

3211
03:20:16,000 --> 03:20:21,100
The only only lives need fear
scrutiny.

3212
03:20:22,200 --> 03:20:26,100
Right.
And, you know, there's a lot of

3213
03:20:26,100 --> 03:20:30,200
kind of rational appeals that I
made throughout this, I am not

3214
03:20:30,200 --> 03:20:34,500
going to necessarily go too much
into it because if you can read

3215
03:20:34,500 --> 03:20:39,500
it and I highly recommend that I
do want to talk about one way to

3216
03:20:39,500 --> 03:20:43,200
look at this, cuz some people
would say, well, you can't deny

3217
03:20:43,200 --> 03:20:47,400
the importance of lineage and I
have never denied the importance

3218
03:20:47,400 --> 03:20:52,000
of just for the record if that's
if you thought I was ever deny

3219
03:20:52,000 --> 03:20:55,500
the importance of race or
lineage, sorry, you were wrong

3220
03:20:55,500 --> 03:20:57,200
because I have never denied
that.

3221
03:20:57,200 --> 03:21:00,900
I think the race in lineage are
extremely important, you know,

3222
03:21:00,900 --> 03:21:04,800
in end in Alma 13 and talks
about how Noble, and great ones

3223
03:21:04,800 --> 03:21:08,500
in the premortal Life, came down
and, and and there, but the

3224
03:21:08,500 --> 03:21:13,600
reason I believe that race in
lineage is important is for very

3225
03:21:13,600 --> 03:21:16,500
different reasons than than
people who believe in the

3226
03:21:16,500 --> 03:21:17,900
priests.
Event believe that racing

3227
03:21:17,900 --> 03:21:20,700
lineage are very important is
because it's about

3228
03:21:20,700 --> 03:21:26,900
responsibility and
accountability. okay, I think

3229
03:21:26,900 --> 03:21:32,000
that when God comes down to hold
a reckoning, he wants it to be

3230
03:21:32,008 --> 03:21:37,700
very clear who who is
responsible for what happened.

3231
03:21:37,700 --> 03:21:41,300
And I think that he knows
exactly who to visit and hold

3232
03:21:41,300 --> 03:21:43,900
accountable for what happened
has happened.

3233
03:21:43,900 --> 03:21:51,100
So the Seed of Abraham If we
have received the priesthood, we

3234
03:21:51,100 --> 03:21:55,600
have a full responsibility.
To serve and administer

3235
03:21:55,600 --> 03:21:59,800
ordinances to our fellow men,
who accept Christ. and if we

3236
03:21:59,800 --> 03:22:07,000
fail in that responsibility, we
will be accountable to God for

3237
03:22:07,000 --> 03:22:10,300
that failure.
Let no man.

3238
03:22:10,300 --> 03:22:13,900
Think he is a ruler but let God
rule him that judgeth according

3239
03:22:13,900 --> 03:22:16,900
to the counsel of his own will.
Syed.

3240
03:22:16,900 --> 03:22:22,600
Sat section 58 verse 20.
People even men even men who

3241
03:22:22,600 --> 03:22:25,400
hold the priesthood or even then
who hold of the position of

3242
03:22:25,400 --> 03:22:30,400
presidency within a priesthood.
Let no man think he's a ruler,

3243
03:22:30,400 --> 03:22:36,800
let go a rule. because if you
rule this off at your wisdom,

3244
03:22:38,400 --> 03:22:43,100
You can answer to God.
No power influence cannot be

3245
03:22:43,100 --> 03:22:45,800
maintained by virtue of the
priests it only by persuasion

3246
03:22:45,800 --> 03:22:48,500
long-suffering gentleness,
meekness love unfeigned kind of

3247
03:22:48,508 --> 03:22:51,000
pure knowledge.
All of the principles of section

3248
03:22:51,000 --> 03:22:56,400
121 so if if we hold the
priesthood and if we have any

3249
03:22:56,400 --> 03:23:02,500
influence at all, it has to be
because they have freezing

3250
03:23:02,500 --> 03:23:04,300
freely.
Chosen to give us that

3251
03:23:04,300 --> 03:23:08,100
influence.
Cuz it's not, it's not priest

3252
03:23:08,100 --> 03:23:10,500
it, it's something else.
It's not God's priests it.

3253
03:23:10,500 --> 03:23:14,100
It some other influence that we
are exerting to manipulate or

3254
03:23:14,100 --> 03:23:18,800
control others.
So that's not priesthood.

3255
03:23:19,700 --> 03:23:25,500
Okay, you know, there's some
other really interesting points

3256
03:23:25,500 --> 03:23:28,100
like Conformity versus Unity
One.

3257
03:23:28,100 --> 03:23:33,900
Man is, and you might say, I
examined in this essay, see the

3258
03:23:33,900 --> 03:23:39,900
one drop rule, okay.
I don't want anybody to think

3259
03:23:39,900 --> 03:23:41,800
that this is a straw, man, cuz I
know.

3260
03:23:41,800 --> 03:23:45,200
Not everybody believes in the
one drop rule, whether it's a

3261
03:23:45,200 --> 03:23:48,500
big minority or a teeny
minority.

3262
03:23:50,800 --> 03:23:53,500
You got to read this.
If you believe in the one drop

3263
03:23:53,500 --> 03:23:56,400
rule, go to the priesthood
van.com and scroll down to the

3264
03:23:56,400 --> 03:24:00,500
section five in the rational
examination, because it just

3265
03:24:00,500 --> 03:24:05,200
shows mathematically actually
how absolutely absurd that

3266
03:24:05,200 --> 03:24:10,200
perspective is.
And there's a alleged Revelation

3267
03:24:10,200 --> 03:24:14,200
from Joseph Smith, that seems to
suggest that we could remove the

3268
03:24:14,200 --> 03:24:17,400
curse from the Limonite, women
by interfering with them.

3269
03:24:17,400 --> 03:24:26,300
So if interested can remove a
curse, Like shouldn't we want to

3270
03:24:26,300 --> 03:24:28,300
intermarry and, and remove the
curse?

3271
03:24:28,300 --> 03:24:30,700
Like, shouldn't our goal be to
help people overcome their

3272
03:24:30,700 --> 03:24:34,700
curse.
I mean, just just saying, now,

3273
03:24:34,700 --> 03:24:37,900
this is what, I think an
important Point worth talking

3274
03:24:37,900 --> 03:24:39,700
about is the genealogy of
Christ.

3275
03:24:41,100 --> 03:24:42,200
In.
Jesus Christ.

3276
03:24:42,200 --> 03:24:49,700
Bloodline, we have a Canaanite
named Rahab who was a harlot who

3277
03:24:49,700 --> 03:24:52,300
hid the spies of Joshua, when
the Israelites invaded Jericho,

3278
03:24:53,800 --> 03:24:58,400
That's just the straight facts.
It's the scripture.

3279
03:24:58,400 --> 03:25:00,000
So it's in the, it's in the
scriptures in the Bible.

3280
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:10,300
And so, so again, if Christ is
descended from a Canaanite, And

3281
03:25:10,300 --> 03:25:17,100
he could hold the phone at the
priesthood, shouldn't we not

3282
03:25:17,100 --> 03:25:22,500
have a priest again.
Well, if one drop of white blood

3283
03:25:22,500 --> 03:25:25,300
or or proof of being a
descendent of Adam and can

3284
03:25:25,300 --> 03:25:29,500
actually qualify a righteous
black person, what if to receive

3285
03:25:29,500 --> 03:25:31,900
the priesthood in Temple
ordinances right?

3286
03:25:31,900 --> 03:25:39,200
So Justin and Ken and Jacob kind
of talked about Christ and the

3287
03:25:39,200 --> 03:25:42,000
Canaanite woman.
And what is a curse, these are

3288
03:25:42,000 --> 03:25:47,200
things that that was just for
the sake of time.

3289
03:25:47,200 --> 03:25:50,400
We could we could probably go
all night on this but I'm trying

3290
03:25:50,400 --> 03:25:53,300
to move move things along.
You shall know them by their

3291
03:25:53,300 --> 03:25:58,300
fruits.
This again is this is Christ

3292
03:25:58,300 --> 03:26:01,500
from straight from Christ, every
tree that bringeth forth.

3293
03:26:01,508 --> 03:26:03,800
Not good for his keep down cast
in the fire.

3294
03:26:03,800 --> 03:26:07,200
Every true that bringeth forth
good fruit, a good true country

3295
03:26:07,200 --> 03:26:10,500
country, fourth evil fruit and
vice-versa like and by their

3296
03:26:10,500 --> 03:26:14,500
fruits you shall know them.
He tells us to to to examine the

3297
03:26:14,500 --> 03:26:16,800
fruits and see what are the
fruits of the priests it.

3298
03:26:16,800 --> 03:26:20,800
Then.
Number one, it broke the

3299
03:26:20,808 --> 03:26:25,200
promises of Joseph Smith, Joseph
Smith promised Elijah table is

3300
03:26:25,200 --> 03:26:28,000
endowment and Jane Manning to be
sealed to him as a daughter.

3301
03:26:30,000 --> 03:26:33,700
The band Fosters and encourages
an elitist mindset.

3302
03:26:33,700 --> 03:26:39,000
It feeds feelings of superiority
which are just natural man.

3303
03:26:39,000 --> 03:26:43,700
Not spirit of God thinks the
band feeds paranoid and

3304
03:26:43,700 --> 03:26:47,400
suspicion like groups of split
over this issue.

3305
03:26:47,400 --> 03:26:51,500
Even when a DNA test showed 0%
African ancestry of the

3306
03:26:51,500 --> 03:26:55,600
dark-skinned members.
The other people from Australian

3307
03:26:55,600 --> 03:26:58,600
aboriginals and you know, kiwis
from New Zealand that are

3308
03:26:58,600 --> 03:27:02,400
extremely dark dad's dark if not
darker than a lot of Africans

3309
03:27:02,400 --> 03:27:04,900
and there's no African blood to
him.

3310
03:27:04,900 --> 03:27:11,000
And and and I know of at least
one group that broke itself to

3311
03:27:11,000 --> 03:27:14,900
pop Heart To Pieces over this
issue, even though they had a

3312
03:27:14,900 --> 03:27:17,900
DNA test, that shows your person
African ancestry.

3313
03:27:19,100 --> 03:27:23,300
If he's currently in suspicion
to like so me, I don't know if

3314
03:27:23,300 --> 03:27:25,700
everybody has visual or if you
know what I look like.

3315
03:27:25,700 --> 03:27:33,400
I have a tan now, I am 1/4
Chinese, but the rest is quite

3316
03:27:33,400 --> 03:27:36,600
purely, white for generations
and generations.

3317
03:27:36,600 --> 03:27:40,400
Like I have no tie to African
ancestry.

3318
03:27:40,400 --> 03:27:42,900
In my genealogy, I'm actually
related to Joseph Smith pretty

3319
03:27:42,900 --> 03:27:46,700
closely and so a lot of that
work has been done super

3320
03:27:46,700 --> 03:27:51,900
extensively because of that
Association and so like I can't

3321
03:27:51,900 --> 03:27:56,300
definitively say I have no
African ancestry ever, but I'm

3322
03:27:56,300 --> 03:27:59,500
white and I have a quarter
Chinese in my bandage, but for

3323
03:27:59,500 --> 03:28:01,500
some reason, when I'm out in the
sun, a lot, I get tan.

3324
03:28:01,500 --> 03:28:08,200
I've had people Raise the
concern that you think, you

3325
03:28:08,200 --> 03:28:11,100
know, do you think that he's got
any African blood?

3326
03:28:11,100 --> 03:28:14,400
And I didn't even know about it
until friends shared with me

3327
03:28:14,400 --> 03:28:17,200
later and and like it's just
it's just a spit it's just

3328
03:28:17,200 --> 03:28:22,300
paranoia and you know it
certainly gets in the way of

3329
03:28:22,300 --> 03:28:25,800
unity and and trust and love fan
DC.

3330
03:28:25,800 --> 03:28:29,600
Important principles that we
need to acquire the band in

3331
03:28:29,600 --> 03:28:33,700
peace missionary work.
I know if the fundamentalist

3332
03:28:33,700 --> 03:28:35,800
have been known to leave a
restaurant because they found

3333
03:28:35,800 --> 03:28:39,800
out one of the cooks was black
if we're supposed to preach the

3334
03:28:39,800 --> 03:28:42,500
gospel.
To Every Creature.

3335
03:28:42,500 --> 03:28:46,600
As Jesus says, in the doctrine
covenants, All Nations every

3336
03:28:46,600 --> 03:28:51,000
race.
And yet you won't even be in the

3337
03:28:51,000 --> 03:28:53,400
same restaurant or eat food
touched by some.

3338
03:28:53,400 --> 03:28:55,600
It's like how are you going to
ever preach them?

3339
03:28:55,600 --> 03:29:01,000
The gospel, Right.
Yeah, I mean, it hardens hearts

3340
03:29:01,000 --> 03:29:03,300
on both sides, whites against
blacks and blacks against

3341
03:29:03,300 --> 03:29:04,800
whites.
I mean, I can't blame a black

3342
03:29:04,800 --> 03:29:10,700
guy or a person for a no, not
wanting to have anything to do

3343
03:29:10,700 --> 03:29:15,400
with Mormon sentimentalism.
How can you blame them?

3344
03:29:17,100 --> 03:29:22,600
Really it takes such humility.
You know, in the case of Walker

3345
03:29:22,600 --> 03:29:25,000
Lewis and Elijah table.
Those guys that the the

3346
03:29:25,000 --> 03:29:29,900
humiliation that they had to
suffer because of this policy, I

3347
03:29:29,900 --> 03:29:31,700
mean, is it just justifies
pharisaical?

3348
03:29:31,700 --> 03:29:35,300
And so am I thinking I actually
put put a lot of proof to that

3349
03:29:35,300 --> 03:29:36,700
in some of the sections that I
skipped.

3350
03:29:36,700 --> 03:29:40,000
But it guarantees unjust
impartial treatment within the

3351
03:29:40,000 --> 03:29:42,200
congregation.
In many cases even persecution.

3352
03:29:42,200 --> 03:29:46,500
All it takes is one.
If you have one person with any

3353
03:29:46,500 --> 03:29:50,800
degree of African ancestry
within a congregation, it is

3354
03:29:50,800 --> 03:29:57,100
going to result in some circles
in inequitable treatment and

3355
03:29:57,100 --> 03:30:01,400
even persecution unless we get
rid of this fan unless we repent

3356
03:30:01,400 --> 03:30:04,700
have this band.
So this band literally divides,

3357
03:30:04,700 --> 03:30:07,300
the family of God and taken to
its logical.

3358
03:30:07,308 --> 03:30:13,200
Conclusion.
It leads to eugenics. re-read

3359
03:30:13,200 --> 03:30:23,200
that quote from So this this is
in 1st Timothy Chapter 4, verses

3360
03:30:23,200 --> 03:30:27,900
1 through 3.
There's a prophecy given by by

3361
03:30:27,900 --> 03:30:31,400
Paul in this epistle to Timothy.
Now, the spirit speaketh

3362
03:30:31,400 --> 03:30:35,900
expressly that in the latter
times, some shall depart from

3363
03:30:35,900 --> 03:30:40,100
the faith, giving heed to
seducing spirits and doctrines

3364
03:30:40,100 --> 03:30:42,700
of devils speaking lies in
hypocrisy.

3365
03:30:42,700 --> 03:30:47,200
Having their conscience seared
with a hot iron forbidding to

3366
03:30:47,200 --> 03:30:51,200
marry And there's more to it but
I'm going to stop there.

3367
03:30:53,300 --> 03:30:57,400
This is a prophecy of our day,
the last dispensation that some

3368
03:30:57,400 --> 03:30:59,900
shall depart from the faith and
give heed to seducing spirits

3369
03:30:59,900 --> 03:31:03,600
and doctrines of devils and say
that you shouldn't marry this or

3370
03:31:03,600 --> 03:31:06,900
that person for various reasons.
I think this could apply to the

3371
03:31:06,900 --> 03:31:10,000
church forbidding to marry, you
know, in the context of plural

3372
03:31:10,000 --> 03:31:11,700
marriages.
But I think it's absolutely

3373
03:31:11,700 --> 03:31:15,600
applies to fundamentalist cuz
they they forbid to marry black

3374
03:31:15,600 --> 03:31:18,500
people.
I'm sorry, it's just what it is.

3375
03:31:18,500 --> 03:31:22,900
And I think that it's a
fulfillment of that prophecy and

3376
03:31:22,900 --> 03:31:26,300
I'm not, I'm not saying that
this makes people bad.

3377
03:31:26,300 --> 03:31:28,400
I am saying that we should
repent.

3378
03:31:28,400 --> 03:31:32,500
We need to do better now that if
if we can learn and and give him

3379
03:31:32,500 --> 03:31:36,900
greater light and knowledge, it
is upon us to do better if we

3380
03:31:36,900 --> 03:31:40,800
learn but don't change.
We have not learned Right.

3381
03:31:42,600 --> 03:31:45,900
When a couple other points
acting against their moral

3382
03:31:45,900 --> 03:31:49,000
conscience.
So there is a crucial

3383
03:31:49,000 --> 03:31:52,800
distinction between sign seating
versus requiring, a witness from

3384
03:31:52,800 --> 03:31:55,700
God before acting against our
moral conscience conscience.

3385
03:31:55,700 --> 03:31:59,900
So sign sinking is bad.
Sign seeking is saying, hey, I'm

3386
03:31:59,900 --> 03:32:02,300
not going to believe in Jesus,
until you prove it like, Show Me

3387
03:32:02,308 --> 03:32:09,500
A Sign, whatever.
But if God ever asks us to do

3388
03:32:09,500 --> 03:32:12,800
something against our moral
conscience, few examples might

3389
03:32:12,800 --> 03:32:16,700
be Joseph initial reluctance to
practice polygamy and it took

3390
03:32:16,700 --> 03:32:21,100
the angel with the Flaming
sword, to, to basically give him

3391
03:32:21,100 --> 03:32:24,600
a assign eyewitness from God,
that it was God's Will, and it

3392
03:32:24,600 --> 03:32:27,400
had needed to obey that law.
You know, when Joseph Smith a

3393
03:32:27,408 --> 03:32:31,500
spiracy Kimball to give his wife
of the late to Joseph, that was

3394
03:32:31,500 --> 03:32:34,800
against all the keepers violates
conscience.

3395
03:32:34,800 --> 03:32:37,600
Is that was just such a terrible
burden.

3396
03:32:38,300 --> 03:32:42,400
Nephi.
Was instructed to kill Laden.

3397
03:32:44,700 --> 03:32:48,000
And another could be a good
example, could be the mountain

3398
03:32:48,000 --> 03:32:52,000
Meadow Massacre cases of Joseph
Smith, Heber C, Kimball's

3399
03:32:52,000 --> 03:32:58,200
insulates and Nephi, they all
didn't act until they got a sign

3400
03:32:58,200 --> 03:33:02,000
or a, you know, a witness from
God that it was his will,

3401
03:33:02,000 --> 03:33:04,200
because it went against their
moral conscience.

3402
03:33:04,200 --> 03:33:08,400
In the case of Mountain Meadows
Massacre, many of the men that

3403
03:33:08,400 --> 03:33:12,800
were present Knew it was wrong.
It was against their moral

3404
03:33:12,800 --> 03:33:16,900
conscience to go in and kill an
entire company including the

3405
03:33:16,900 --> 03:33:22,100
women and children like they
knew it was wrong but they

3406
03:33:22,100 --> 03:33:27,300
follow their leader.
And you know, I'm not I'm not

3407
03:33:27,300 --> 03:33:29,900
the any of their judge and John
Daly.

3408
03:33:29,900 --> 03:33:35,000
I'm not I'm not any of their
judges, maybe it was God's will,

3409
03:33:35,000 --> 03:33:42,400
but a lot of these men carried a
burden of guilt to their graves

3410
03:33:42,400 --> 03:33:46,000
and a lot of them had deathbed
confessions in and just

3411
03:33:46,000 --> 03:33:48,900
expressions of the anguish that
they've suffered, the guilt that

3412
03:33:48,900 --> 03:33:52,200
they had felt in the shame of
those, the murders of a

3413
03:33:52,200 --> 03:33:55,400
committed and they knew it was
wrong Nuremberg.

3414
03:33:56,400 --> 03:33:59,500
Which is the trial of it if the
Nazis post World War.

3415
03:33:59,500 --> 03:34:02,700
I mean, they came to the same
conclusion.

3416
03:34:02,700 --> 03:34:07,200
Like if a man violates his
conscience, even if he's

3417
03:34:07,200 --> 03:34:12,100
following orders from a superior
officer, he is still personally

3418
03:34:12,100 --> 03:34:14,100
responsible for the crimes he
commits.

3419
03:34:14,100 --> 03:34:18,400
So we can't just blame our the
finger in and and the point the

3420
03:34:18,408 --> 03:34:21,900
finger and blaming other people,
Brigham Young John Taylor,

3421
03:34:21,900 --> 03:34:27,100
whoever if our personal actions
are evil And even if I did a

3422
03:34:27,100 --> 03:34:31,900
leader ordered them, we are
individually accountable to God

3423
03:34:31,900 --> 03:34:39,200
for those personal actions.
There is another one that I

3424
03:34:39,200 --> 03:34:42,900
think is worth addressing the
homosexuality slippery slope

3425
03:34:42,900 --> 03:34:48,800
concerned and you know, I
understand it because if you

3426
03:34:48,800 --> 03:34:51,900
know based on the LDS Church's
current trajectory it sure,

3427
03:34:51,900 --> 03:34:54,900
seems like we might be heading
in that direction, satellite

3428
03:34:54,900 --> 03:34:57,900
that neither will, they gave the
blacks, priest it, in 1978, next

3429
03:34:57,900 --> 03:35:03,200
thing they're going to be doing
is sealing gay couples and so I

3430
03:35:03,200 --> 03:35:05,300
think this is a false dilemma
for various reasons.

3431
03:35:05,300 --> 03:35:09,000
So first off the Theology of
Mormonism the scriptures, the

3432
03:35:09,000 --> 03:35:15,000
ordinances themselves are so
conclusive that Godly sexual

3433
03:35:15,000 --> 03:35:17,300
relationships are strictly
between man and woman.

3434
03:35:17,300 --> 03:35:21,600
No, other connection can produce
children and you know, there are

3435
03:35:21,600 --> 03:35:27,500
no ordinances for a Samsung.
Do you have to change the

3436
03:35:27,500 --> 03:35:30,900
ordinances at 6 there?
Is it has no place in have any

3437
03:35:30,900 --> 03:35:36,500
family or the Plan of Salvation,
there's a list off a good 9 10

3438
03:35:36,500 --> 03:35:40,600
11 scriptures that definitively
prove his from the scriptures.

3439
03:35:40,600 --> 03:35:47,000
And I think that it's important
to say that if this doesn't mean

3440
03:35:47,000 --> 03:35:50,500
that homosexuals cannot be
partakers of Salvation and

3441
03:35:50,500 --> 03:35:53,700
cannot be in a become worthy of
the priesthood.

3442
03:35:53,700 --> 03:35:55,800
But they just have to repent of
all their sins.

3443
03:35:55,800 --> 03:35:59,200
Just like a heterosexual man has
to repent of all this lust in

3444
03:35:59,200 --> 03:36:01,800
his you know whatever is
inclination toward carnal

3445
03:36:01,800 --> 03:36:04,700
desires.
Are pornography whatever he has

3446
03:36:04,700 --> 03:36:07,200
to repent.
But but if he does, he can

3447
03:36:07,200 --> 03:36:10,700
receive all the blessings.
A homosexual person just has to

3448
03:36:10,700 --> 03:36:12,400
repent.
They can retain all those

3449
03:36:12,400 --> 03:36:17,000
blessings as well on the other
hand, anytime a scripture.

3450
03:36:17,800 --> 03:36:20,800
Could be appearing to condemn
intermarriage.

3451
03:36:20,800 --> 03:36:24,800
I went through in this actually,
shocked me cuz I thought I

3452
03:36:24,800 --> 03:36:28,500
needed to address this in.
It it in Thoroughly every single

3453
03:36:28,500 --> 03:36:29,800
time.
The scriptures.

3454
03:36:29,800 --> 03:36:33,100
Talk about.
You shouldn't intermarry with a

3455
03:36:33,100 --> 03:36:34,900
dark-skinned razor outside of
your own race.

3456
03:36:34,900 --> 03:36:40,200
It's not about the race.
It's about marrying outside the

3457
03:36:40,200 --> 03:36:42,900
Covenant and run whoring after
false gods.

3458
03:36:42,908 --> 03:36:48,200
And there are, you know, it
every single one, every single

3459
03:36:48,200 --> 03:36:54,300
time I like I maybe I miss some
that I found 99 scriptures that

3460
03:36:54,300 --> 03:36:57,400
talk about from both the Old
Testament and the New Testament

3461
03:36:57,400 --> 03:37:03,000
that talk about people being
commanded not to marry with a

3462
03:37:03,000 --> 03:37:09,500
certain race Canaanites usually.
But then they that they do in

3463
03:37:09,500 --> 03:37:12,400
case of Solomon, it doesn't damn
him for marrying.

3464
03:37:12,400 --> 03:37:14,800
The Canaanites.
It marries him for going whoring

3465
03:37:14,800 --> 03:37:17,000
after the false Idols, right?
Right.

3466
03:37:17,000 --> 03:37:21,600
It was more a provision of I
have for lack of a better word

3467
03:37:21,600 --> 03:37:26,400
painting the community around
you by importing false gods and

3468
03:37:26,400 --> 03:37:29,800
false ideas.
And in those days, it was it was

3469
03:37:29,800 --> 03:37:32,800
pretty rough, right?
I mean it was child sacrifice

3470
03:37:32,800 --> 03:37:39,200
and those sorts of things.
So so, you know, regardless of

3471
03:37:39,200 --> 03:37:43,500
whether a person can or can't as
is or is not born with, you

3472
03:37:43,500 --> 03:37:45,900
know, same-sex attraction,
homosexuality?

3473
03:37:45,900 --> 03:37:51,200
Like, that's not something we
can definitively prove one way

3474
03:37:51,200 --> 03:37:53,000
or another.
I happen to think that maybe it

3475
03:37:53,000 --> 03:37:55,900
is possible.
People can be born with that.

3476
03:37:56,900 --> 03:38:01,300
With that curse, I can pay my
call that accursed, you know,

3477
03:38:01,300 --> 03:38:04,400
especially if somebody doesn't
want it to know somebody.

3478
03:38:05,300 --> 03:38:08,800
Is gay but doesn't want to be
gay.

3479
03:38:08,800 --> 03:38:12,400
Would that not be a terrible
burden the curse that they have

3480
03:38:12,400 --> 03:38:17,400
to carry?
But I believe that the hotel are

3481
03:38:17,400 --> 03:38:19,300
the atonement can't change.
Now.

3482
03:38:19,300 --> 03:38:25,300
Race on the other hand is not
something you repent of its.

3483
03:38:25,300 --> 03:38:28,600
How would you know, I think
after the resurrection.

3484
03:38:28,600 --> 03:38:33,200
I sure if if if people want a
white body and and that's the

3485
03:38:33,200 --> 03:38:35,000
plan and then I'm sure I believe
that.

3486
03:38:35,000 --> 03:38:41,500
But but you know to sit to save
it will I won't accept that they

3487
03:38:41,500 --> 03:38:44,400
are accepted.
The god until their skin is

3488
03:38:44,400 --> 03:38:50,300
white is just I I think
important and you know, in in in

3489
03:38:50,300 --> 03:38:56,200
war and run at 8:8.
Harkening back to the statements

3490
03:38:56,200 --> 03:38:58,400
of.
Both Joseph Smith, talking about

3491
03:38:58,400 --> 03:39:01,600
blacks have souls and our
subjects of Salvation Brigham

3492
03:39:01,600 --> 03:39:04,100
Young talking about.
There were no neutral spirits in

3493
03:39:04,100 --> 03:39:07,400
the premortal existence and all
chose a side.

3494
03:39:07,400 --> 03:39:09,900
And that the spirits were pure
that when they came to this

3495
03:39:09,900 --> 03:39:15,100
life, I would submit that Moroni
8:8 is fully applicable.

3496
03:39:16,400 --> 03:39:20,400
God behold, I Jesus Christ came
into the world, not to call the

3497
03:39:20,400 --> 03:39:23,200
righteous but Sinners to
repentance the whole need no

3498
03:39:23,200 --> 03:39:24,500
physician but they that are
sick.

3499
03:39:24,500 --> 03:39:27,800
Wear for little children, are
our whole for.

3500
03:39:27,800 --> 03:39:29,900
They are not capable of
committing sin wear for the

3501
03:39:29,900 --> 03:39:33,800
curse of Adam is taken from them
in me that it has no power over

3502
03:39:33,800 --> 03:39:36,300
them.
And La circumcision is going to

3503
03:39:36,300 --> 03:39:42,000
win me.
So I think, honestly, there

3504
03:39:42,000 --> 03:39:47,200
there is no correlation between.
Well, if you give blacks the

3505
03:39:47,200 --> 03:39:49,900
priesthood, the next thing you
know, you'll be, you know where

3506
03:39:49,900 --> 03:39:53,400
gay people, I think.
Well, if they're repentant, if

3507
03:39:53,400 --> 03:39:56,700
they're, if they are humbly
trying to repent and and I

3508
03:39:56,700 --> 03:40:03,700
follow God's laws, If they're
white, who would deprive that

3509
03:40:03,700 --> 03:40:06,300
man of Presa to see if it's
something that he's turned

3510
03:40:06,300 --> 03:40:09,400
together, turned away from all
together and and is sincerely,

3511
03:40:09,400 --> 03:40:12,100
humble and repentant.
And maybe he's actually been

3512
03:40:12,100 --> 03:40:17,600
healed of that have that
proclivity, like when it be

3513
03:40:17,600 --> 03:40:21,500
wrong to to withhold that and
just as equally, it would be

3514
03:40:21,500 --> 03:40:23,900
wrong to withhold from somebody
on a basis of race.

3515
03:40:23,900 --> 03:40:31,300
So that concludes the rational
examination, Revelatory hit

3516
03:40:31,300 --> 03:40:33,400
examination.
I I kicked it off with a quote

3517
03:40:33,400 --> 03:40:35,800
from Joseph Smith.
I don't blame anyone for not

3518
03:40:35,800 --> 03:40:38,800
believing my history.
If I had not experienced that I

3519
03:40:38,800 --> 03:40:40,300
have, I would not have believed
it myself.

3520
03:40:40,300 --> 03:40:44,700
And I just like to briefly
Sheriff, my personal

3521
03:40:44,700 --> 03:40:47,800
experiences.
I've talked about some friends,

3522
03:40:47,800 --> 03:40:54,000
who entered into a marriage with
a black lady and out in

3523
03:40:54,000 --> 03:41:00,500
Missouri, and at the time I kind
of was leaning towards the band

3524
03:41:00,500 --> 03:41:04,000
because I hadn't, really, I
mean, I just kind of accepted, I

3525
03:41:04,000 --> 03:41:06,300
read the statement for Brigham
Young And even if I didn't

3526
03:41:06,300 --> 03:41:09,400
really like it, I thought.
Well, if that's how it is,

3527
03:41:09,400 --> 03:41:12,800
that's how it is.
When he did that though and in

3528
03:41:12,800 --> 03:41:19,300
his wife and the second wife, it
really Give me a call cuz I was

3529
03:41:19,300 --> 03:41:22,300
like, wow.
I don't believe, I don't think

3530
03:41:22,300 --> 03:41:25,300
they would lie about getting
Revelation to do this.

3531
03:41:25,300 --> 03:41:29,800
And and so I had to take their
claim of being Guided by the

3532
03:41:29,800 --> 03:41:32,000
Lord very seriously in that
decision.

3533
03:41:33,300 --> 03:41:38,600
And now as they did their part
of the community of

3534
03:41:38,600 --> 03:41:43,200
fundamentalist community, and if
it was very divisive, a lot even

3535
03:41:43,200 --> 03:41:45,100
his blood brothers, a lot of his
breath.

3536
03:41:45,100 --> 03:41:48,400
Blood brothers, were very
critical specially at first of

3537
03:41:48,400 --> 03:41:54,200
that decision that he made.
And, you know, they were at 1

3538
03:41:54,200 --> 03:41:55,600
brother offered to cut off his
head.

3539
03:41:55,600 --> 03:42:03,500
Like it was literally that
degree of of extremism in there

3540
03:42:03,500 --> 03:42:05,700
in this conversation.
I'd not part of that Community.

3541
03:42:05,700 --> 03:42:08,700
I have friends there though and
then I was at a, to, a

3542
03:42:08,708 --> 03:42:12,000
discussion group in ssb4, would
kind of make points

3543
03:42:12,000 --> 03:42:15,300
for-and-against, I found myself.
Like it basically.

3544
03:42:15,300 --> 03:42:22,400
I I don't have a, like, a
witness of it, but man, I feel

3545
03:42:22,400 --> 03:42:25,200
darkness and confusion and
doubt.

3546
03:42:25,200 --> 03:42:28,800
When I think that, the band
should be enforced and I feel

3547
03:42:28,800 --> 03:42:31,200
light.
And, and, and I feel better.

3548
03:42:31,200 --> 03:42:34,100
I feel more at peace.
When it's so I found myself.

3549
03:42:34,100 --> 03:42:38,100
Arguing sometimes very
strenuously against the band.

3550
03:42:39,000 --> 03:42:44,800
And you know I don't have any
skin in the game, I am a happily

3551
03:42:44,800 --> 03:42:47,500
married man with a with a very
white wife.

3552
03:42:47,500 --> 03:42:55,900
I don't really it's not personal
but I I felt a duty as a priest

3553
03:42:55,900 --> 03:43:02,100
at holder to defend another man.
Who is taking a lot of heat, a

3554
03:43:02,100 --> 03:43:06,100
lot of criticism and Ferb for
following.

3555
03:43:06,100 --> 03:43:10,200
What he sincerely felt was the
will of God for him and it's in

3556
03:43:10,200 --> 03:43:11,900
it.
I'd I just was like looking at

3557
03:43:11,900 --> 03:43:14,200
these scriptures looking at the
history and it was it was still

3558
03:43:14,200 --> 03:43:17,500
kind of squishy, still kind of
confusing and I came to the

3559
03:43:17,500 --> 03:43:21,800
conclusion Especially seeing how
divisive it became with, with

3560
03:43:21,800 --> 03:43:23,500
other people in that discussion
group.

3561
03:43:23,500 --> 03:43:27,300
I just thought, well, somebody
needs to get it to stay at the

3562
03:43:27,300 --> 03:43:31,500
Lord Revelation, and I take very
seriously, the word of Joseph

3563
03:43:31,500 --> 03:43:37,100
Smith when he says that we find
this never inquire at the hand

3564
03:43:37,100 --> 03:43:40,900
of God for special Revelation.
Only in the case of there, being

3565
03:43:40,900 --> 03:43:45,400
no previous Revelation to suit.
The key is in the teachings of

3566
03:43:45,400 --> 03:43:47,900
Joseph Smith, page 22.
I take that very seriously.

3567
03:43:47,900 --> 03:43:52,700
I think that's a true principal.
We shouldn't just like Secret

3568
03:43:52,700 --> 03:43:55,600
Revelation to suit our
curiosity, you know, out on

3569
03:43:55,600 --> 03:43:56,900
something that God has already
revealed.

3570
03:43:56,900 --> 03:44:00,800
We just need to accept the will
of God, that's already been

3571
03:44:00,800 --> 03:44:03,200
revealed.
But in this instance, at the

3572
03:44:03,200 --> 03:44:06,500
time, it was so confusing to me
that.

3573
03:44:06,500 --> 03:44:08,900
I just thought, I don't see how
this is ever going to get

3574
03:44:08,900 --> 03:44:11,900
settled, one way or another,
without a the Sith, Lord

3575
03:44:11,900 --> 03:44:15,500
Revelation.
And in my mind, I thought, I

3576
03:44:15,500 --> 03:44:17,300
figured out.
Well, I mean, I'm not part of

3577
03:44:17,308 --> 03:44:19,600
that Community.
I figured somebody out there

3578
03:44:19,600 --> 03:44:23,100
would get it.
And so, it was really surprising

3579
03:44:23,100 --> 03:44:25,100
to me in December of last year,
2022.

3580
03:44:26,200 --> 03:44:29,000
I got woke up in the early in
the morning which is not very

3581
03:44:29,000 --> 03:44:32,500
typical for me.
I usually sleep through the

3582
03:44:32,500 --> 03:44:37,500
night and I got woken up is like
for 4:30.

3583
03:44:37,500 --> 03:44:40,000
I went got to drink, use the
bathroom and was just laying in

3584
03:44:40,000 --> 03:44:42,000
my bed and kind of getting
frustrated.

3585
03:44:42,000 --> 03:44:45,700
Like I had a big day ahead and
and felt like I needed more

3586
03:44:45,700 --> 03:44:48,000
sleep and but it just wasn't
coming.

3587
03:44:48,000 --> 03:44:51,600
So I began to pray and asking
him, the father to help me get

3588
03:44:51,600 --> 03:44:56,600
back to sleep.
And I started to hear words come

3589
03:44:56,600 --> 03:45:01,800
into my head and I had never had
this experience, but when I

3590
03:45:01,808 --> 03:45:05,100
recognized and realized what
these words were, I was like, oh

3591
03:45:05,100 --> 03:45:06,500
my gosh, I need to write this
down.

3592
03:45:06,500 --> 03:45:10,600
So I forgot something to write
with and I just, I wrote this

3593
03:45:10,600 --> 03:45:13,200
these words, and I'm just going
to read them.

3594
03:45:14,400 --> 03:45:17,900
Behold us say that I the Lord
into my servants in Missouri and

3595
03:45:17,900 --> 03:45:21,700
throughout the world on this
day, I the Lord and well pleased

3596
03:45:21,700 --> 03:45:24,300
with the righteous desires of
all those who seek to build a

3597
03:45:24,300 --> 03:45:27,800
house into my name.
I accepted the sacrifice and

3598
03:45:27,800 --> 03:45:30,700
dedication of all those who have
contributed their time talents

3599
03:45:30,700 --> 03:45:32,800
and resources.
For this purpose and say unto

3600
03:45:32,800 --> 03:45:36,400
you, repent, and come unto me
and all your sins will be

3601
03:45:36,408 --> 03:45:39,300
forgiven.
I am not well, pleased with

3602
03:45:39,300 --> 03:45:41,900
those among you who have thought
to excuse yourselves in

3603
03:45:41,900 --> 03:45:44,000
perpetuating.
The so-called priests to ban

3604
03:45:44,000 --> 03:45:46,600
which thing is an abomination in
my sight.

3605
03:45:46,600 --> 03:45:49,300
My servant Brigham Young to
Darren this thing which has

3606
03:45:49,300 --> 03:45:52,700
caused many to stumble.
Nevertheless, I am merciful and

3607
03:45:52,700 --> 03:45:55,900
I invite all to come unto me and
humility and repentance and they

3608
03:45:55,900 --> 03:45:57,200
shall be given light and
knowledge.

3609
03:45:57,200 --> 03:46:00,800
Concerning this principle, which
is that the rights of the

3610
03:46:00,800 --> 03:46:03,200
priesthood are inseparably
connected with the powers of

3611
03:46:03,200 --> 03:46:05,200
Heaven.
And the powers of Heaven cannot

3612
03:46:05,200 --> 03:46:08,300
be obtained control door handle
except upon principles of

3613
03:46:08,300 --> 03:46:12,300
individual righteousness.
Righteousness has never been in.

3614
03:46:12,300 --> 03:46:15,900
Cannot be conditional upon race
or class, but upon each

3615
03:46:15,900 --> 03:46:19,200
individual sincere repentance.
And willingness to do, my will,

3616
03:46:19,200 --> 03:46:23,500
I will not deny any who come
into me with full purpose of

3617
03:46:23,500 --> 03:46:25,800
heart.
Acting no hypocrisy who's sikha

3618
03:46:25,800 --> 03:46:28,700
blessing under my hand,
weatherman or women black or

3619
03:46:28,700 --> 03:46:31,700
white Bond or free.
I say into you at all who will

3620
03:46:31,700 --> 03:46:34,400
come and freely partake of my
spirit and ordinances, and

3621
03:46:34,400 --> 03:46:36,700
whosoever comes with full
purpose of heart, repenting of

3622
03:46:36,700 --> 03:46:40,900
all their sins, deny them, not
any among you who failed to do

3623
03:46:40,900 --> 03:46:43,900
this, beware and repent speedily
for with whatsoever measure.

3624
03:46:43,900 --> 03:46:45,900
You need, it shall be meted unto
you.

3625
03:46:45,900 --> 03:46:48,900
And again, anyone who was
willing and desirous to receive

3626
03:46:48,900 --> 03:46:51,300
the fullness of my ordinances,
in my name, and has brought

3627
03:46:51,300 --> 03:46:55,200
forth repentance that I have
accepted, I say unto all, let

3628
03:46:55,200 --> 03:46:57,400
them come.
Who are you to reject?

3629
03:46:57,400 --> 03:46:58,500
What?
I have accepted.

3630
03:46:58,500 --> 03:47:01,700
Who are you to think?
God will accept your repentance

3631
03:47:01,700 --> 03:47:05,600
but not your brothers.
Any of my servants to him so

3632
03:47:05,600 --> 03:47:07,700
much has been freely.
Given who would then bar their

3633
03:47:07,700 --> 03:47:11,100
fellow man from receiving.
The same are not of me, but are

3634
03:47:11,100 --> 03:47:14,600
against me and if you do not
speedily repent, I will reject

3635
03:47:14,600 --> 03:47:18,000
you and all your Works, beware?
How you bear, God's priest, it

3636
03:47:18,000 --> 03:47:21,600
lest it become a cursing to you.
Rather than a blessing, I alone

3637
03:47:21,600 --> 03:47:23,200
Am The Keeper of the gate and I
employ.

3638
03:47:23,200 --> 03:47:26,600
No servant there.
My servants must do my will, or

3639
03:47:26,600 --> 03:47:28,300
else.
They are not my servants, but my

3640
03:47:28,300 --> 03:47:32,200
serve, another Master, my
servants are called to serve and

3641
03:47:32,200 --> 03:47:34,900
administer to their Brethren.
Mine ordinances, and inasmuch,

3642
03:47:34,900 --> 03:47:38,100
as they are faithful in this,
they will be accepted of me.

3643
03:47:38,100 --> 03:47:40,900
You are my servants.
If you will do my will,

3644
03:47:40,900 --> 03:47:48,600
otherwise you will be cut off.
Amen. and, you know, when I when

3645
03:47:48,600 --> 03:47:53,200
I finish writing that, I read
back through it and it was just,

3646
03:47:53,200 --> 03:48:02,100
it was shocking to me. and, I I
sent it to some people that I

3647
03:48:02,100 --> 03:48:06,900
know really well and trust and I
I was just like, hey, This just

3648
03:48:06,900 --> 03:48:10,700
happened.
Do you think it do you think

3649
03:48:10,708 --> 03:48:14,600
I've made this up?
Even asking for me to think it

3650
03:48:14,600 --> 03:48:18,100
came from some evil spirit or do
you think it came from God?

3651
03:48:18,100 --> 03:48:21,700
And one of the individuals that
I shared it with read it to his

3652
03:48:21,700 --> 03:48:25,100
wife and they both left and
called me and then just said

3653
03:48:25,100 --> 03:48:27,900
that they had a powerful witness
that this was a God in.

3654
03:48:27,900 --> 03:48:31,200
This is an answer to their
prayers and other in the other

3655
03:48:31,200 --> 03:48:37,100
brother that I sent it to.
He he also testified that it was

3656
03:48:37,100 --> 03:48:42,500
of God now and this is kind of
awkward for me cuz I kind of

3657
03:48:42,508 --> 03:48:44,200
hate people who were trying to
get followers.

3658
03:48:44,200 --> 03:48:45,800
And so, I just want to be super
clear.

3659
03:48:45,800 --> 03:48:49,700
I do not speak for any
individual, any organization or

3660
03:48:49,700 --> 03:48:52,200
any other individual.
And I am not trying to get

3661
03:48:52,200 --> 03:48:55,100
anybody to take my word for it
or to follow me or anything like

3662
03:48:55,100 --> 03:48:57,500
that.
I believe that this is just a

3663
03:48:57,500 --> 03:49:02,800
gift that God gave me and a few
other of his children who were

3664
03:49:02,800 --> 03:49:06,500
sincerely trying to figure out
what was right in a in a tough

3665
03:49:06,500 --> 03:49:10,800
situation.
And I have a strong testimony.

3666
03:49:10,800 --> 03:49:13,000
That is true, but I freely
admit.

3667
03:49:14,500 --> 03:49:19,200
I might have been deceived.
I mean, maybe maybe I just got

3668
03:49:19,200 --> 03:49:23,000
an evil spirit possessed me.
I don't know that cuz God didn't

3669
03:49:23,000 --> 03:49:24,600
come in person and I didn't see
an angel.

3670
03:49:24,600 --> 03:49:29,200
And so it was not like that.
I didn't have any theophany

3671
03:49:29,200 --> 03:49:34,700
experience with this, but it
lines up with scripture, It

3672
03:49:34,700 --> 03:49:36,900
lines up with the teachings of
Joseph in the history.

3673
03:49:36,900 --> 03:49:40,800
It lines up with all forms of
rational examination and reason

3674
03:49:40,800 --> 03:49:44,200
and most importantly in my
heart, I know it's true.

3675
03:49:44,200 --> 03:49:50,500
And so I just present this as
something that if it can help

3676
03:49:50,500 --> 03:49:54,300
anybody else, I would be
grateful if not if you reject

3677
03:49:54,300 --> 03:49:55,800
it.
Like I don't blame you because

3678
03:49:55,800 --> 03:50:00,000
if I hadn't had the experience I
might not I might not have heard

3679
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:02,800
it, I received it myself.
If I hadn't read what I had an

3680
03:50:02,800 --> 03:50:09,400
experience, what I have, so, I
do want to share that a couple

3681
03:50:09,400 --> 03:50:13,200
months later.
I had a similar experience and

3682
03:50:13,200 --> 03:50:15,700
again this is something that is
unprecedented my life.

3683
03:50:15,700 --> 03:50:17,000
I've never had this experience
before.

3684
03:50:17,000 --> 03:50:20,800
It happened in a fourth of
March.

3685
03:50:20,800 --> 03:50:24,200
I want to say the February or
February.

3686
03:50:24,200 --> 03:50:27,600
Two months later, I woke up,
can't get back to sleep and

3687
03:50:27,600 --> 03:50:30,500
where it began to come.
I wrote them down and this was

3688
03:50:30,500 --> 03:50:33,400
the second Revelation that they
came to me.

3689
03:50:33,400 --> 03:50:37,100
Behold the saith, the Lord unto
the Church of Jesus Christ of

3690
03:50:37,100 --> 03:50:40,600
Latter-day Saints, and the
remnant of Ephraim, I have given

3691
03:50:40,600 --> 03:50:43,100
the opportunity in abundance to
choose of your own free will to

3692
03:50:43,100 --> 03:50:47,100
repent and return unto me.
My hands are open, still to

3693
03:50:47,100 --> 03:50:48,600
receive you.
If you would turn on to me,

3694
03:50:48,600 --> 03:50:51,400
never the less you have
rejected, all my invitations for

3695
03:50:51,400 --> 03:50:54,200
nearly four generations and the
cup of the wrath of my

3696
03:50:54,200 --> 03:50:58,600
indignation begins to run or
over by the Lord cannot look

3697
03:50:58,600 --> 03:51:00,600
upon sin with the least degree
of allowance.

3698
03:51:00,600 --> 03:51:04,600
I am merciful and stand ready to
receive all who repent and come

3699
03:51:04,600 --> 03:51:07,200
on to me but they who think they
do not need repentance.

3700
03:51:07,200 --> 03:51:09,900
Because of the promises I made
to their fathers are in the

3701
03:51:09,900 --> 03:51:13,200
bonds of sin and iniquity and
invite the just judgments of the

3702
03:51:13,200 --> 03:51:14,900
father to be poured out upon
them.

3703
03:51:14,900 --> 03:51:18,600
They to whom much has been given
have much to account for

3704
03:51:18,600 --> 03:51:22,200
priesthood, is servanthood in my
holy name and those who declare

3705
03:51:22,200 --> 03:51:25,000
more or less than this are not
of me but are practitioners of

3706
03:51:25,000 --> 03:51:28,900
priestcraft any with their
abundance and excess who deprive

3707
03:51:28,900 --> 03:51:30,800
the poor among them.
An excuse their selfishness,

3708
03:51:30,800 --> 03:51:33,400
under the guise of being a pain,
the Lord's Erin beverage to

3709
03:51:33,400 --> 03:51:35,000
Tides offerings are church
service.

3710
03:51:35,000 --> 03:51:38,000
Do verily draw near to me with
their lips, but their hearts are

3711
03:51:38,008 --> 03:51:41,100
far from me year, the bride I am
the bridegroom.

3712
03:51:41,100 --> 03:51:44,300
Yet you have gone whoring after
other gods and false Idols.

3713
03:51:44,300 --> 03:51:46,400
You love your riches.
In the praise of the world, more

3714
03:51:46,400 --> 03:51:49,500
than you love me.
I sent you in as much as you've

3715
03:51:49,500 --> 03:51:51,600
done any thing unto the least of
these your brethren, you have

3716
03:51:51,600 --> 03:51:54,200
done it unto me, you have
withheld, your substance from

3717
03:51:54,200 --> 03:51:56,800
me, you've withheld your fellow
up there for your fellowship

3718
03:51:56,800 --> 03:51:59,500
from me.
You have despised and made

3719
03:51:59,500 --> 03:52:02,300
Mochrie.
You forsaken, me and left me to

3720
03:52:02,300 --> 03:52:05,300
die in the cold.
You have abandoned me and my

3721
03:52:05,300 --> 03:52:09,400
Covenant played the Harlot.
You have desecrated the house of

3722
03:52:09,400 --> 03:52:12,000
my father, included it, with
vanity and sin and have it in

3723
03:52:12,000 --> 03:52:14,500
your hearts to blaspheme my
name, even as they did of old,

3724
03:52:14,500 --> 03:52:16,300
which will seal your
condemnation.

3725
03:52:16,300 --> 03:52:19,400
Even now I would receive you.
If you would repent and return

3726
03:52:19,408 --> 03:52:22,300
unto me with full purpose of
heart, yet I know that you will

3727
03:52:22,300 --> 03:52:24,000
not because of the hardness of
your hearts.

3728
03:52:24,000 --> 03:52:26,100
Speaking into the church
collectively and not

3729
03:52:26,100 --> 03:52:29,200
individually.
To all who will hearken unto the

3730
03:52:29,200 --> 03:52:31,600
sound of my voice?
The time has come to flee from

3731
03:52:31,600 --> 03:52:34,900
Babylon or perish Dyson's be
upon thee in thy, Doom

3732
03:52:34,900 --> 03:52:37,800
approaches, if you loved your
own Souls, you would receive

3733
03:52:37,800 --> 03:52:40,400
this last warning with gladness
and humility and repent in

3734
03:52:40,408 --> 03:52:44,600
sackcloth and Ashes even now
deny me, no longer deny my laws,

3735
03:52:44,600 --> 03:52:48,300
no more purified.
Your hearts and join the residue

3736
03:52:48,300 --> 03:52:51,800
of my people who even now are
preparing to build, Zion to

3737
03:52:51,800 --> 03:52:54,300
prepare a place of safety and
refuge from the coming storm.

3738
03:52:54,300 --> 03:52:58,000
Otherwise, you will be cut off
in life and in death and go to a

3739
03:52:58,008 --> 03:53:01,500
place where I cannot come.
The father has spoken it and it

3740
03:53:01,500 --> 03:53:04,500
cannot be undone.
The city is amen.

3741
03:53:05,900 --> 03:53:10,200
And at the time I receive that
in the end of the church that

3742
03:53:10,200 --> 03:53:13,700
the mother Church, the LDS
church had just changed the

3743
03:53:13,700 --> 03:53:16,400
ordinances again.
And so I thought it applied, you

3744
03:53:16,400 --> 03:53:21,100
know, to them.
But as I have observed, the

3745
03:53:21,100 --> 03:53:24,300
fruits of the band and not just
in Missouri, but in other areas

3746
03:53:24,300 --> 03:53:28,600
and other branches of the
restoration, I think that a lot

3747
03:53:28,608 --> 03:53:32,800
of that second Revelation also
doesn't fly and it's so like I

3748
03:53:32,800 --> 03:53:36,700
say I can't blame anyone.
Haver Jax these.

3749
03:53:36,700 --> 03:53:39,700
I'm just a guy.
I'm nothing special, I'm not

3750
03:53:39,700 --> 03:53:42,000
starting to church.
I am not asking anybody to

3751
03:53:42,000 --> 03:53:43,600
follow me.
In fact, them and begging you to

3752
03:53:43,600 --> 03:53:46,100
not.
Please do not follow me.

3753
03:53:46,100 --> 03:53:51,500
But I will say this that you
know what constitutes the

3754
03:53:51,500 --> 03:53:54,500
kingdom of God, according to
Joseph Smith anywhere, there's a

3755
03:53:54,508 --> 03:53:56,800
prophet, a priest, or a
righteous man unto him.

3756
03:53:56,800 --> 03:53:59,400
God gives his oracles.
There is the kingdom of God and

3757
03:53:59,400 --> 03:54:01,500
where the Oracles of God are not
there.

3758
03:54:01,500 --> 03:54:05,100
The kingdom of God is not, but
if we do not get Revelations, we

3759
03:54:05,100 --> 03:54:09,100
do not have the Oracles of God.
And then on another occasion,

3760
03:54:09,100 --> 03:54:12,100
Joseph Smith taught hence it
needs Revelation to assist us

3761
03:54:12,100 --> 03:54:13,800
and give us knowledge of the
things of God.

3762
03:54:13,800 --> 03:54:17,800
But if any Revelations are given
of God, they are universally

3763
03:54:17,800 --> 03:54:20,500
opposed by the priests and Chris
them done at large for they

3764
03:54:20,500 --> 03:54:26,500
reveal their wickedness and
Abominations so, Fundamentalist.

3765
03:54:26,500 --> 03:54:29,100
I get it.
That's probably very defensive.

3766
03:54:29,100 --> 03:54:36,100
I I get it.
And, you know, I I cringe at how

3767
03:54:36,100 --> 03:54:40,200
presumptuous it is for me to
think that while I got a

3768
03:54:40,200 --> 03:54:43,200
revelation that you know, and I
know, you know, I don't think

3769
03:54:43,200 --> 03:54:44,500
that I'm above Brigham Young at
all.

3770
03:54:44,500 --> 03:54:49,300
I think that I'm his brother and
I love him and I appreciate all

3771
03:54:49,300 --> 03:54:53,000
the good that he did, but this
is one section where I think he

3772
03:54:53,000 --> 03:54:55,600
let kind of soon some hard
feelings Fester.

3773
03:54:55,600 --> 03:55:00,700
It was the way he was dealt with
by William Carey and under the

3774
03:55:00,700 --> 03:55:03,400
fruits, that that bore, I think
was a big mistake.

3775
03:55:03,400 --> 03:55:07,300
And I think that we all have
personal responsibility.

3776
03:55:07,300 --> 03:55:12,500
If we, anybody who continues and
perpetuates this band, you can't

3777
03:55:12,500 --> 03:55:15,200
just say, will, you know, you
can't just blame break them.

3778
03:55:15,200 --> 03:55:19,800
We are personally responsible
for our actions and, you know,

3779
03:55:19,800 --> 03:55:23,000
so I would just like to invite
in and encourage my fellow

3780
03:55:23,000 --> 03:55:28,000
fundamentalist from any group,
not not specific or limited to

3781
03:55:28,000 --> 03:55:31,300
anybody.
But just consider and the

3782
03:55:31,300 --> 03:55:35,800
sentiments of Alan Paton.
He ought, he wrote a book called

3783
03:55:35,800 --> 03:55:37,600
Cry.
The Beloved Country, I read as a

3784
03:55:37,600 --> 03:55:39,500
kid in and just memorize the
statement.

3785
03:55:39,500 --> 03:55:42,300
I love it.
He says, I shall no longer ask

3786
03:55:42,300 --> 03:55:46,900
myself if this or that is
expedient, but only if it is

3787
03:55:46,900 --> 03:55:49,000
right.
I shall do this.

3788
03:55:49,000 --> 03:55:52,100
Not because I am no longer and
selfish, but because life slips

3789
03:55:52,100 --> 03:55:55,300
away and because I need for the
rest of my journey has star,

3790
03:55:55,300 --> 03:56:01,300
that will not play false to me a
compass, that will not lie. so,

3791
03:56:01,300 --> 03:56:06,300
I understand if you're part of a
group that currently enforces

3792
03:56:06,300 --> 03:56:11,200
the band, If you're in a
position of leadership, you

3793
03:56:11,200 --> 03:56:15,100
would seriously be jeopardizing,
a split and I get that and I

3794
03:56:15,100 --> 03:56:17,900
don't want more division.
Sentimentalism has plenty of

3795
03:56:17,900 --> 03:56:21,000
Divisions, we don't need more
division but on a matter of

3796
03:56:21,000 --> 03:56:24,800
principle, it is better to be
divided by truth than to be

3797
03:56:24,800 --> 03:56:31,500
United in error. and I hope that
these essays have given us tools

3798
03:56:31,500 --> 03:56:35,300
to persuade our brothers and
sisters, who may not, who who

3799
03:56:35,308 --> 03:56:39,900
made clean to the band, and to
give to, hopefully, soften

3800
03:56:39,900 --> 03:56:47,800
hearts and open minds to receive
this because It is better to be

3801
03:56:47,800 --> 03:56:53,700
United by truth than to be /
error. and and if you're, if

3802
03:56:53,700 --> 03:56:55,900
you're not in a position of
leadership, if you're just a lay

3803
03:56:55,900 --> 03:56:59,400
member within a fundamentalist,
break off a fundamentalist group

3804
03:56:59,400 --> 03:57:06,600
or whatever, and your leadership
doesn't change their policy, Do

3805
03:57:06,600 --> 03:57:08,300
what is right?
Let the consequence follow.

3806
03:57:10,200 --> 03:57:16,200
You know, it's wrong to deprive
and if your brothers and sisters

3807
03:57:16,200 --> 03:57:20,700
if you know a black person, if
you ever met a black person, you

3808
03:57:20,700 --> 03:57:23,000
can look in their eyes and you
can see a soul.

3809
03:57:24,200 --> 03:57:26,000
You know, that they are a child
of God.

3810
03:57:27,400 --> 03:57:33,900
And it is evil.
To say that, no matter what they

3811
03:57:33,900 --> 03:57:36,500
do.
They can't.

3812
03:57:37,600 --> 03:57:42,100
Beat salted, they can't receive
the ordinances, the fullness of

3813
03:57:42,100 --> 03:57:47,700
the Gospel.
Please don't don't don't make

3814
03:57:47,700 --> 03:57:50,600
God has no respecter of persons
anymore cuz he hates it when we

3815
03:57:50,600 --> 03:57:58,300
do that. and, you know, if you
find yourself a minority of one

3816
03:57:58,300 --> 03:58:07,700
in a group, There are others.
So I guess the rest of the story

3817
03:58:07,700 --> 03:58:10,500
in Missouri, so it's back in
August of this year.

3818
03:58:10,500 --> 03:58:15,700
So just what, two, three months
ago there was a meeting of the

3819
03:58:15,700 --> 03:58:22,400
above 19 brothers, who came down
in and they were trying to

3820
03:58:22,400 --> 03:58:24,800
figure out there getting close
to finishing at temple.

3821
03:58:24,800 --> 03:58:27,600
One of the, one of the branches
of the fundamentalist out there

3822
03:58:27,600 --> 03:58:32,700
and and it was, it was still
divisive, you know, even the

3823
03:58:32,700 --> 03:58:37,000
Man's family who had married
this black sister, and there was

3824
03:58:37,000 --> 03:58:43,900
Division and So, they came
together in a meeting, and they

3825
03:58:43,900 --> 03:58:47,200
met in this mostly completed,
but not dedicated, you're fully

3826
03:58:47,200 --> 03:58:49,500
finished Temple, and they
weren't United walking

3827
03:58:49,500 --> 03:58:51,800
incorrect.
Ohyeah, it was actually very

3828
03:58:51,800 --> 03:58:54,100
divided.
Let you know, I have some

3829
03:58:54,100 --> 03:58:56,200
friends out there.
My brother-in-law was present.

3830
03:58:56,200 --> 03:59:00,100
I was not present and about it.
Sounds like about 4.

3831
03:59:00,100 --> 03:59:03,400
So we're kind of against the
band, you know.

3832
03:59:03,400 --> 03:59:09,700
I had two or three were pretty
neutral, like, trying to be as

3833
03:59:09,700 --> 03:59:14,000
impartial as possible and about
12 or strongly in favor of the

3834
03:59:14,000 --> 03:59:18,500
band, you know, against
ordaining, blacks and throughout

3835
03:59:18,500 --> 03:59:22,200
the course of this evening.
This when I, when I first got

3836
03:59:22,200 --> 03:59:23,900
the Revelation, I got back in
December.

3837
03:59:23,900 --> 03:59:28,000
I asked Heavenly Father like
okay well this just happened

3838
03:59:28,000 --> 03:59:30,400
now, what am I what do I do with
this?

3839
03:59:30,400 --> 03:59:33,900
And I felt that, you know, the
time would come to share it but

3840
03:59:33,900 --> 03:59:36,800
it wasn't yet.
Or when these Brethren were

3841
03:59:36,800 --> 03:59:40,000
contemplating, this meeting I
prayed about it and I didn't get

3842
03:59:40,000 --> 03:59:42,900
any Vision or like a dramatic
thing.

3843
03:59:42,900 --> 03:59:47,800
But I felt like it was a time.
And so I prayed and and and and

3844
03:59:47,800 --> 03:59:52,100
then I asked my friend to read
the Revelation and and he read

3845
03:59:52,100 --> 03:59:57,100
it at this meeting and the
brothers who heard the

3846
03:59:57,100 --> 04:00:01,200
Revelation, one of them who had
come in very in favor of the

3847
04:00:01,200 --> 04:00:04,100
band, heard the Revelation and
stood up and he wasn't, he

3848
04:00:04,100 --> 04:00:05,700
didn't plan out what he's going
to say.

3849
04:00:05,708 --> 04:00:09,500
He just started to speak and he
was filled with the spirit and

3850
04:00:09,500 --> 04:00:13,500
he just began to speak
uninspired, testimony and

3851
04:00:13,500 --> 04:00:15,200
teachings and it was all
recorded.

3852
04:00:15,200 --> 04:00:18,700
So fortunately, there's minutes
that we can review and I

3853
04:00:18,700 --> 04:00:21,900
actually haven't read it her or
heard the recording, but I know

3854
04:00:21,900 --> 04:00:25,500
that it's available.
So there's that and then, you

3855
04:00:25,500 --> 04:00:30,100
know, there was another section
where my Revelation was red.

3856
04:00:30,100 --> 04:00:32,300
And then there were two other
Revelations that were presented

3857
04:00:32,300 --> 04:00:38,300
before this group, The, the
people then who were not endowed

3858
04:00:38,300 --> 04:00:41,700
were kind of excused and then If
you were endowed dressed in the,

3859
04:00:41,700 --> 04:00:44,900
the robes and, and had some
prayer circles, during the

3860
04:00:44,908 --> 04:00:48,800
prayer circles, for of the
Brethren had very dramatic

3861
04:00:48,800 --> 04:00:52,900
visions and and shared what they
had seen in any more testimony.

3862
04:00:52,900 --> 04:00:56,000
And then we're just softened in
their hearts and minds.

3863
04:00:56,000 --> 04:00:58,700
And then when they brought the
rest of the guys back in those

3864
04:00:58,700 --> 04:01:00,900
who are not present for the
prayer Circles of felt kind of

3865
04:01:00,900 --> 04:01:04,000
chips, like, wait, you know,
that's convenient.

3866
04:01:04,000 --> 04:01:07,900
We wanted to get our own wet
witness and, and so one by one,

3867
04:01:07,900 --> 04:01:10,700
if everyone was given a voice
there was there was no

3868
04:01:10,700 --> 04:01:16,800
censorship.
There was no, but it was very

3869
04:01:16,800 --> 04:01:23,900
orderly and and blessings were
given people testified that they

3870
04:01:23,900 --> 04:01:28,100
felt healed and at the end of
the day, so they began the

3871
04:01:28,100 --> 04:01:33,000
meeting at 8 p.m. they finished
it at 9 a.m. and it was all

3872
04:01:33,000 --> 04:01:36,300
night and the sun had risen.
And it was I they called for a

3873
04:01:36,300 --> 04:01:41,100
vote and it was unanimous, 19 in
favor, zero opposed And when

3874
04:01:41,100 --> 04:01:45,600
that final roll call, vote was
called the person who is

3875
04:01:45,600 --> 04:01:49,700
presiding over that meeting.
Began to weep and he said, I

3876
04:01:49,700 --> 04:01:53,200
feel healed and I didn't even
know that I needed it.

3877
04:01:53,200 --> 04:01:57,100
But a burden had been lifted and
and he testified that he felt

3878
04:01:57,100 --> 04:02:01,600
Brigham Young had been present
and had been guiding those, the

3879
04:02:01,600 --> 04:02:17,900
things that were taught and then
said during that meeting so, I

3880
04:02:17,900 --> 04:02:19,700
would suggest, suggest one other
thing.

3881
04:02:19,700 --> 04:02:27,000
And so, The Indian dellmont.
Anybody who has received the

3882
04:02:27,000 --> 04:02:30,000
first endowment, you know, the
promise that if you are

3883
04:02:30,000 --> 04:02:33,200
faithful, the time will come
that you'll be called up and

3884
04:02:33,200 --> 04:02:35,700
you'll be anointed a king and a
priest queen and a priestess.

3885
04:02:35,700 --> 04:02:41,900
And which, which I had no idea
that there was a thing called

3886
04:02:41,900 --> 04:02:47,300
the second anointing while I was
in the church, but that was very

3887
04:02:47,300 --> 04:02:50,800
explicitly taught by my
great-grandfather a misalignment

3888
04:02:50,800 --> 04:02:53,800
and others of the, of the early
days of the church.

3889
04:02:53,800 --> 04:02:57,500
That that's what when when it's
when that promises other than

3890
04:02:57,500 --> 04:02:59,200
the first endowment, that's what
is talking about.

3891
04:02:59,200 --> 04:03:00,400
Stalking about the second
anointing.

3892
04:03:00,400 --> 04:03:03,300
It's not talking about after
death and, you know, in the

3893
04:03:03,300 --> 04:03:06,900
resurrection that you will, you
know, if no is talking about the

3894
04:03:06,900 --> 04:03:12,200
fullness of the ordinances of
the, of the priesthood and, you

3895
04:03:12,200 --> 04:03:15,900
know, in the time, your days,
100, Brigham Young, John Keeler

3896
04:03:15,900 --> 04:03:20,600
and such even through Joseph F
Smith Lorenzo Snow in those

3897
04:03:20,600 --> 04:03:29,000
guys, there were a lot of 2nd
anointings. given, and you know,

3898
04:03:29,000 --> 04:03:36,000
the The sad thing is beginning
with you, Richard Grant people.

3899
04:03:36,000 --> 04:03:37,300
Stop receiving their second
anointing.

3900
04:03:39,100 --> 04:03:42,600
And let me know the church.
Stopped it fundamentalist

3901
04:03:42,600 --> 04:03:45,500
because of tradition.
Stop by John and Lauren.

3902
04:03:45,500 --> 04:03:49,000
See about, you know, we're only
supposed to keep plural marriage

3903
04:03:49,000 --> 04:03:51,800
alive or not supposed to do
other things other ordinances,

3904
04:03:51,800 --> 04:03:54,100
you know, go to the church, to
get baptized and get your

3905
04:03:54,100 --> 04:03:56,200
endowment stuff.
And then you can just come to us

3906
04:03:56,200 --> 04:04:01,400
for for pro marriage.
The end result, the fruits of of

3907
04:04:01,400 --> 04:04:05,900
the of those types of changes
was that it, it deprived

3908
04:04:05,900 --> 04:04:11,500
faithful white people not just
blacks but whites and it cursed

3909
04:04:11,500 --> 04:04:13,400
us.
There's a lot of people that

3910
04:04:13,400 --> 04:04:16,500
should have received their
second anointings in the mother

3911
04:04:16,500 --> 04:04:20,400
church and fundamentalist groups
and an even within the church

3912
04:04:20,400 --> 04:04:23,900
and within fundamentalist groups
that have retained or preserved,

3913
04:04:23,900 --> 04:04:25,200
some degree of the second
anointing.

3914
04:04:25,200 --> 04:04:32,100
It's, it's held for the elites,
It's withheld from the faithful

3915
04:04:32,100 --> 04:04:35,100
rank-and-file member.
And these the fullness of the

3916
04:04:35,100 --> 04:04:37,900
blessings of the restoration are
being withheld.

3917
04:04:37,900 --> 04:04:43,400
We are cursed as a people.
And I think that this stems from

3918
04:04:43,400 --> 04:04:48,400
our willingness to curse others,
we have received the cursings

3919
04:04:48,400 --> 04:04:52,400
and if we want to obtain the
blessings, we have to be willing

3920
04:04:52,400 --> 04:04:56,300
to bless everyone.
Not just the elites not, just

3921
04:04:56,300 --> 04:04:59,000
the favored race or whatever it
is.

3922
04:04:59,000 --> 04:05:03,800
It's a it's like this mentality.
Hasn't just been a curse on

3923
04:05:03,800 --> 04:05:08,700
blacks at his cursed, everybody.
And until if we, if if we want

3924
04:05:08,700 --> 04:05:10,100
to receive, we must be willing
to give.

3925
04:05:10,100 --> 04:05:16,300
If we want to establish Zion, we
must lift all and open the way

3926
04:05:16,300 --> 04:05:19,600
and teaching minister to anyone
whose true and faithful, like,

3927
04:05:19,600 --> 04:05:23,400
in Isaiah, that talks about the
Watchmen shall see eye-to-eye,

3928
04:05:24,500 --> 04:05:28,400
in the context of establishing
Zion will never see eye-to-eye,

3929
04:05:28,400 --> 04:05:34,000
if some of us are holding others
of us down, God does not call

3930
04:05:34,000 --> 04:05:39,000
the qualified he qualifies the
called, And who is called

3931
04:05:39,000 --> 04:05:42,900
section for section 12.
At there's a lot of missionaries

3932
04:05:42,900 --> 04:05:46,700
Revelations.
It says Whoever has desires to

3933
04:05:46,700 --> 04:05:51,400
serve God is called to the work
missionary work.

3934
04:05:51,400 --> 04:05:53,900
You cannot be a missionary
without the priest that you

3935
04:05:53,900 --> 04:05:56,900
can't come baptizer confirm.
Anybody without the priesthood.

3936
04:05:58,000 --> 04:06:00,400
Desire.
Now in coast of course and then

3937
04:06:00,408 --> 04:06:03,800
my essays cover some other
requirements or criteria you

3938
04:06:03,800 --> 04:06:08,100
might say like you know how many
needs to have been baptized and

3939
04:06:08,100 --> 04:06:10,800
you know kept their baptismal
covenants, repented when they

3940
04:06:10,800 --> 04:06:12,600
fell short.
I mean there are other criteria

3941
04:06:12,600 --> 04:06:18,300
but but the primary
qualification for the priests,

3942
04:06:18,300 --> 04:06:22,400
it is a desire to serve.
God, the field is why do ready

3943
04:06:22,400 --> 04:06:24,700
to harvest slohi the threats
that then it's sick with his

3944
04:06:24,700 --> 04:06:28,700
might the same Shola up,
in-store great blessings.

3945
04:06:28,700 --> 04:06:33,000
In the Kingdom of Heaven.
We Zion must be built.

3946
04:06:33,000 --> 04:06:35,900
Christ will not return of the
prophecies are correct Christ.

3947
04:06:35,900 --> 04:06:38,300
Will not return until Zion is
built.

3948
04:06:39,000 --> 04:06:45,300
I am.
If not now then when, if not you

3949
04:06:45,300 --> 04:06:51,400
then who I would invite all of
us within the sound of my voice

3950
04:06:51,400 --> 04:06:58,700
to repent of this tradition of
the priesthood ban and 222.

3951
04:07:00,100 --> 04:07:03,900
Seek the Willing Mind Of God
regardless of race.

3952
04:07:03,900 --> 04:07:08,400
And and you know, I don't think
there's any other hope for

3953
04:07:08,400 --> 04:07:14,500
establishing Zion and and That
would be tragic but I think Ian

3954
04:07:14,500 --> 04:07:16,100
will be established.
It's up to us whether we're

3955
04:07:16,100 --> 04:07:19,300
going to be part of it or not.
And I think that the band has to

3956
04:07:19,300 --> 04:07:22,600
be repented of to be involved in
building Zion.

3957
04:07:31,800 --> 04:07:33,900
And this is where I'll get real
honest.

3958
04:07:35,300 --> 04:07:40,900
Because ever since last Saturday
my inbox has blown up about

3959
04:07:40,900 --> 04:07:43,600
where I stand on this issue and
Saturdays when you dropped it in

3960
04:07:43,600 --> 04:07:46,000
the debate between Justin and
yep.

3961
04:07:46,000 --> 04:07:50,100
Yep.
Yeah. so, I I'll tell you right

3962
04:07:50,108 --> 04:07:53,700
now where I stand on this,
Unequivocally.

3963
04:07:53,700 --> 04:08:02,300
And I want to go back to an
earlier episode.

3964
04:08:02,300 --> 04:08:06,200
I did with Merle and I will piss
Jessup, where he touched a

3965
04:08:06,200 --> 04:08:13,500
little bit on this.
And at that time, I hadn't fully

3966
04:08:13,500 --> 04:08:18,200
made up my mind.
I was still out, I had an

3967
04:08:18,200 --> 04:08:20,900
inclination but I wanted more
evidence.

3968
04:08:20,900 --> 04:08:26,500
I want to compile everything I
did. 2.

3969
04:08:28,100 --> 04:08:32,600
To make sure that I, I did my
homework, I didn't want make a

3970
04:08:32,600 --> 04:08:38,200
haphazard decision cuz I think
tradition is important and I

3971
04:08:38,200 --> 04:08:41,000
think it does have a positive
role to play Within communities.

3972
04:08:42,600 --> 04:08:45,700
And it's been such a
long-standing tradition that I

3973
04:08:45,700 --> 04:08:49,600
felt like, it's not something
you can just throw out without

3974
04:08:49,600 --> 04:08:56,100
due diligence 100%.
I'm blessed in the sense of had

3975
04:08:56,100 --> 04:08:59,300
a career that not only is it
numbers but it's also about

3976
04:08:59,300 --> 04:09:02,900
research when you start looking
at Junior rights and Senior

3977
04:09:02,900 --> 04:09:05,900
rights and you start looking at
who had possession and you start

3978
04:09:05,900 --> 04:09:09,800
looking in Old Land records,
you'll learn how to weigh

3979
04:09:09,800 --> 04:09:13,300
evidence, really quickly, if
you're going to be worth your

3980
04:09:13,300 --> 04:09:20,300
salt as a surveyor.
So I had in and the Tempest,

3981
04:09:20,300 --> 04:09:23,000
you're basically the arbitrator,
you're the judge on who has

3982
04:09:23,000 --> 04:09:25,100
claim to this piece of ground.
Exactly.

3983
04:09:25,100 --> 04:09:27,100
Yep.
You're you're you're offering

3984
04:09:27,100 --> 04:09:28,500
at.
So it's taught me how to weigh

3985
04:09:28,500 --> 04:09:33,000
evidence really well.
And those aren't my words.

3986
04:09:33,000 --> 04:09:38,000
Those are words of historians.
I studied under at times when

3987
04:09:38,000 --> 04:09:44,900
I've had the opportunity to So I
weighed the evidence very

3988
04:09:44,900 --> 04:09:47,800
carefully, very thoughtfully,
very prayerfully.

3989
04:09:47,800 --> 04:09:52,200
I meditated on it, I have not
come to this haphazardly.

3990
04:09:53,300 --> 04:09:57,100
And I've counted the cost.
I want to make that clear, I

3991
04:09:57,100 --> 04:09:59,500
understand.
I'm proud.

3992
04:09:59,500 --> 04:10:02,600
It's going to feel like I'll
probably let some people now and

3993
04:10:02,600 --> 04:10:04,900
I get it.
Trust me I get it.

3994
04:10:07,300 --> 04:10:09,900
And if that means that this is
the end of the podcast.

3995
04:10:11,600 --> 04:10:15,900
It's okay. at some point, I got
stand before my God and be

3996
04:10:15,900 --> 04:10:19,900
accountable with what knowledge
I had anyone answers he gave me

3997
04:10:21,200 --> 04:10:26,400
and I want to show my work here.
I look at the stuff that was

3998
04:10:26,400 --> 04:10:30,600
probe and let's look at Brigham
Young's really.

3999
04:10:30,600 --> 04:10:33,200
We have to look at Brigham
Young.

4000
04:10:34,100 --> 04:10:37,900
And I want to say, I love
Brigham if there's one profit, I

4001
04:10:37,900 --> 04:10:43,000
felt like I could identify with
most Justin personality, it was

4002
04:10:43,000 --> 04:10:47,600
Brigham.
I feel like he doesn't get you

4003
04:10:47,600 --> 04:10:54,100
credit that he really deserves.
He was able to bring a people

4004
04:10:54,100 --> 04:10:58,000
out west and carve out a
civilization that thrives out of

4005
04:10:58,000 --> 04:11:00,300
the desert dust beside the
salty.

4006
04:11:00,300 --> 04:11:05,000
Wake.
I love Brigham Young.

4007
04:11:06,500 --> 04:11:13,700
More than people will know.
But I don't worship Brigham

4008
04:11:13,700 --> 04:11:16,600
Young.
Brigham Young would not want me

4009
04:11:16,600 --> 04:11:24,300
to worship Him. when I look at,
Brigham Young.

4010
04:11:24,300 --> 04:11:28,100
I see confliction when it comes
to the priesthood ban.

4011
04:11:29,600 --> 04:11:33,900
In 1845.
He tells McCary, it's not about

4012
04:11:33,900 --> 04:11:38,200
your blood going to find elves
m47, excuse me.

4013
04:11:38,200 --> 04:11:42,100
He says, it's not about your
blood, we have a great Elder,

4014
04:11:42,100 --> 04:11:45,200
who's who's black?
He makes he goes out of his way

4015
04:11:45,200 --> 04:11:51,400
to say is a priesthood holder.
And then once McCary, Wronged

4016
04:11:51,400 --> 04:11:53,100
him.
That's when we start seeing the

4017
04:11:53,100 --> 04:11:56,200
stuff come up.
And I get it.

4018
04:11:56,200 --> 04:12:03,100
It's hard to be. it take that I
wouldn't do well taking that, to

4019
04:12:03,100 --> 04:12:08,400
be honest with you, And then I
looked at the doctrine of it.

4020
04:12:08,400 --> 04:12:09,000
Right?
What?

4021
04:12:09,000 --> 04:12:11,100
Where does this stem from?
Where's it come from?

4022
04:12:11,100 --> 04:12:17,600
And I look at it, the most I
Hancock Journal Where we get 90%

4023
04:12:17,800 --> 04:12:20,800
of back, doctors on this, along
with the, with answering call.

4024
04:12:22,900 --> 04:12:27,600
And this actually came from a
fundamentalist Church leader, I

4025
04:12:27,600 --> 04:12:30,700
won't say which one but he took
the task the most by Hancock

4026
04:12:30,700 --> 04:12:32,800
Journal.
He asked some pretty pointed

4027
04:12:32,800 --> 04:12:36,000
questions with mosiah Hancock a
presiding Authority within the

4028
04:12:36,000 --> 04:12:40,900
church in those days.
No, he was not was answering

4029
04:12:40,900 --> 04:12:43,800
call.
He was a bishop in some spots,

4030
04:12:43,800 --> 04:12:47,700
but he he wasn't a member of The
Twelve.

4031
04:12:47,700 --> 04:12:49,200
He wasn't member the first
presidency.

4032
04:12:49,200 --> 04:12:53,300
He wasn't a prophet.
And so, both of those must be

4033
04:12:53,300 --> 04:12:56,000
taken with a grain of salt.
Those were their Revelations,

4034
04:12:56,000 --> 04:13:01,700
not the churches.
So that Brigham refuted both of

4035
04:13:01,700 --> 04:13:06,700
him and then bring them came out
and recruit refuted both of them

4036
04:13:06,700 --> 04:13:09,300
in the Wilford Woodruff Journal.
So the.

4037
04:13:09,300 --> 04:13:13,100
Only refuted them but attributed
to Joseph, right basis of the

4038
04:13:13,100 --> 04:13:16,700
free fry reputation and so it
falls apart the doctrine behind

4039
04:13:16,708 --> 04:13:22,600
it, falls apart.
Then if I look at it more

4040
04:13:22,600 --> 04:13:25,200
things, the, the Zebedee culture
account.

4041
04:13:25,200 --> 04:13:30,300
It's almost 50 years from the
time, he said it took place and

4042
04:13:30,300 --> 04:13:33,000
he's an old man.
And it's not fair to put that

4043
04:13:33,000 --> 04:13:37,200
much onus on him in that stage
of his life cuz he gets all

4044
04:13:37,200 --> 04:13:39,100
sorts of dates wrong.
Right.

4045
04:13:39,100 --> 04:13:42,300
He says that Joseph says, the
blacks can't have a priesthood

4046
04:13:42,300 --> 04:13:46,500
in one date, but Joseph been
authorized is the ordination of

4047
04:13:46,500 --> 04:13:50,500
the white Table after that, it
makes no sense that holds no

4048
04:13:50,500 --> 04:13:54,200
water.
The slippery slope argument.

4049
04:13:54,200 --> 04:13:58,900
I feel like it's kind of a silly
12 to even try it out there.

4050
04:13:58,900 --> 04:14:03,800
I mean, no theology in all the
world, this is Reliant upon the

4051
04:14:03,800 --> 04:14:06,800
idea of heterosexual relations
to produce children in the

4052
04:14:06,800 --> 04:14:10,900
Hereafter like Mormonism.
It doesn't work.

4053
04:14:12,900 --> 04:14:16,200
The George Q Cannon stuff.
We we went over that everyone

4054
04:14:16,200 --> 04:14:22,200
heard that and again he quote he
says it as I I understood that

4055
04:14:22,200 --> 04:14:25,300
it was said by Joseph Smith.
Write, that's not a guy who

4056
04:14:25,300 --> 04:14:26,400
sang.
He heard it.

4057
04:14:27,300 --> 04:14:30,200
Agent claim, John Taylor,
claimed it a little after John

4058
04:14:30,200 --> 04:14:34,500
Taylor is dead.
Yes, So then I go for the

4059
04:14:34,500 --> 04:14:40,600
evidence against a priest it
down one. 3, black men are given

4060
04:14:40,600 --> 04:14:46,300
the priesthood under Joseph.
Direct.

4061
04:14:47,100 --> 04:14:52,300
You have statements from Joseph
Smith, the Hottentot that will

4062
04:14:52,300 --> 04:14:56,900
come to the temple, to offer up
his horses, his prayers, right?

4063
04:14:56,900 --> 04:15:04,400
We're talking about prayer
circles, then if we get into two

4064
04:15:04,400 --> 04:15:10,700
scripturally, Abraham 93 will
Abraham 29311 is it's pretty,

4065
04:15:10,700 --> 04:15:16,000
it's pretty hard to argue cuz he
puts no qualifiers on it.

4066
04:15:16,000 --> 04:15:20,800
The only qualifier the Lord puts
in that Revelation is is as many

4067
04:15:20,800 --> 04:15:25,600
as will come.
He's not making exclusivity

4068
04:15:25,600 --> 04:15:32,700
claims hear all that comes. when
I stood, In the waters of

4069
04:15:32,700 --> 04:15:35,200
baptism.
Both times once as a member of

4070
04:15:35,200 --> 04:15:39,000
the church and the other as a
Fundamentalist.

4071
04:15:42,000 --> 04:15:45,400
I did it.
The first time was pretty

4072
04:15:45,400 --> 04:15:48,700
poignant because I was dealing
with a lot of things.

4073
04:15:50,100 --> 04:15:54,900
And I made a promise to God in
that moment that I would pursue.

4074
04:15:54,900 --> 04:15:59,400
Truth is truth no matter where
it lies come hell or high water.

4075
04:15:59,400 --> 04:16:02,900
There was no cost, too great to
pay for it.

4076
04:16:03,900 --> 04:16:06,600
And I've tried to follow that
out times.

4077
04:16:06,600 --> 04:16:10,400
I have failed.
And I've had to repent and get

4078
04:16:10,400 --> 04:16:16,400
back on that track.
But if I am honest with myself,

4079
04:16:17,900 --> 04:16:22,900
And I am honest with God, this
the band just does not hold

4080
04:16:22,900 --> 04:16:26,000
water.
It doesn't hold water

4081
04:16:26,000 --> 04:16:28,000
scripturally.
It doesn't hold water.

4082
04:16:28,000 --> 04:16:33,900
Historically.
And I want to make clear that, I

4083
04:16:33,900 --> 04:16:37,000
don't think it's scriptural.
I think the correct thing to do

4084
04:16:37,000 --> 04:16:42,100
is to pray about each and every
individual and receive

4085
04:16:42,100 --> 04:16:46,700
Revelation to look another man
in the eye, regardless of his

4086
04:16:46,700 --> 04:16:50,500
race and say, is this someone
who wants to serve God, does he

4087
04:16:50,500 --> 04:16:54,700
have a servant's heart?
If so I don't care what color

4088
04:16:54,700 --> 04:16:58,900
that man is, I think that that
is the criteria.

4089
04:16:58,900 --> 04:17:03,600
Do you have the servant's heart?
And if so he is fit for the

4090
04:17:03,600 --> 04:17:07,800
kingdom in his fit for service
and that's where I lie on it.

4091
04:17:07,800 --> 04:17:10,600
And however this shakes out it's
going to shake out.

4092
04:17:10,600 --> 04:17:13,000
I hope I don't lose friends over
this.

4093
04:17:13,000 --> 04:17:16,600
I hope people still listen if
not that's okay.

4094
04:17:16,600 --> 04:17:23,800
I understand it's it's a radical
position that I hold and People

4095
04:17:23,800 --> 04:17:25,800
wanted to know and this is where
it is.

4096
04:17:25,800 --> 04:17:32,600
So regardless of skin color,
regardless of your genealogy, I

4097
04:17:32,600 --> 04:17:37,800
think the correct thing to do.
Is to look a man in the eyes,

4098
04:17:37,800 --> 04:17:42,900
every time he asked for that.
Tool to help a serve, which is

4099
04:17:42,900 --> 04:17:49,600
the priesthood.
Judge him based on Revelation.

4100
04:17:51,200 --> 04:17:55,200
Based on the idea of if he has a
servant's heart.

4101
04:17:55,200 --> 04:18:00,900
And that's where I stand.
Taylor it, this was a great

4102
04:18:00,900 --> 04:18:04,700
conversation, I appreciate the
work year you've done on it,

4103
04:18:04,700 --> 04:18:09,200
your sincerity comes across and
and thanks for being here.

4104
04:18:10,300 --> 04:18:13,700
My pleasure, Dave and just one
last thing if anybody wants to

4105
04:18:13,700 --> 04:18:18,300
check my notes, you know if I if
I've Miss quoted or if I've

4106
04:18:18,300 --> 04:18:23,300
missed something that's
important, like I like I said, I

4107
04:18:23,300 --> 04:18:27,600
admit I could be wrong, I could
be deceived and if, if there is

4108
04:18:27,600 --> 04:18:31,100
some kind of a scripture that
that I've missed, or if there's

4109
04:18:31,100 --> 04:18:34,100
a historical situation, I've
missed her some compelling,

4110
04:18:34,100 --> 04:18:37,800
rationale argument that I
haven't contemplated, you know,

4111
04:18:37,800 --> 04:18:43,000
I am open to examining anything
and so go to blacks in the

4112
04:18:43,000 --> 04:18:46,200
priests of.com for the
historical and scriptural

4113
04:18:46,200 --> 04:18:50,000
examination priesthood band.com
for the rationale and revelatory

4114
04:18:50,000 --> 04:18:52,900
examination.
Both of those pages are going to

4115
04:18:52,900 --> 04:18:56,200
have a contact us like page that
it's going to send me a message.

4116
04:18:56,200 --> 04:19:00,400
If you feel like I've missed, if
you want to add supporting

4117
04:19:00,400 --> 04:19:03,400
documentation to this or that,
or if there's anything you want

4118
04:19:03,400 --> 04:19:07,600
to contend against, I will
definitely examine it and I may

4119
04:19:07,600 --> 04:19:12,100
need to update and if I do then
Then I will get ahold of Dave

4120
04:19:12,100 --> 04:19:13,900
and maybe come back on the
podcast or whatever.

4121
04:19:13,900 --> 04:19:21,200
But I I will say I don't I don't
really expect it because I can

4122
04:19:21,200 --> 04:19:26,500
just say that the fruits of this
testimony is that all of the

4123
04:19:26,500 --> 04:19:29,000
confusion, the doubt.
The darkness that used to be

4124
04:19:29,000 --> 04:19:35,500
plaguing me has has left.
As I basically taken this to the

4125
04:19:35,500 --> 04:19:37,000
Lord and and gotten these
Revelations.

4126
04:19:37,000 --> 04:19:43,100
I can I have the confidence that
has come to light the peace and

4127
04:19:43,100 --> 04:19:45,200
end.
One thing about when last quick

4128
04:19:45,200 --> 04:19:50,800
note is about unbelief, you
know, in section, 84 verse 54.

4129
04:19:50,800 --> 04:19:54,300
It says in your minds and times
past have been darkened, because

4130
04:19:54,300 --> 04:19:57,200
of unbelief and because you've
treated lightly the things

4131
04:19:57,200 --> 04:20:01,800
you've received Doctrine
covenants. 93 verse 39 says the

4132
04:20:01,800 --> 04:20:04,000
wicked one, then take it the way
light and Truth through

4133
04:20:04,000 --> 04:20:05,400
Disobedience from the children
of men.

4134
04:20:05,400 --> 04:20:09,700
And because of the tradition of
their fathers And, you know,

4135
04:20:09,700 --> 04:20:13,800
unbelief, I used to always think
it meant a lack of faith.

4136
04:20:13,800 --> 04:20:17,300
Like, you didn't have enough
belief, a deficiency of you

4137
04:20:17,300 --> 04:20:19,300
leave.
But I actually, I think that

4138
04:20:19,300 --> 04:20:25,300
unbelief is is a false belief
that that you refuse to let go

4139
04:20:25,300 --> 04:20:30,000
of and, you know, in the, in the
clever Immortal words of Mark

4140
04:20:30,000 --> 04:20:32,000
Twain.
He says, it ain't what you don't

4141
04:20:32,000 --> 04:20:34,400
know that again.
It's what, you know, for sure

4142
04:20:34,400 --> 04:20:40,000
that just ain't so And I look at
Christ warning about the

4143
04:20:40,000 --> 04:20:44,200
Matthew, 16 vs 6, and 12, Jesus
says, take heed and Beware of

4144
04:20:44,200 --> 04:20:48,800
the leaven of the Pharisees and
the Sadducees and they

4145
04:20:48,800 --> 04:20:51,300
understood.
Then after he explained verse

4146
04:20:51,300 --> 04:20:54,900
12, they understood how that
Christ bathe and not beware the

4147
04:20:54,900 --> 04:20:57,900
leaven of bread, but if the
doctrine of the Pharisees and

4148
04:20:57,900 --> 04:21:02,000
the Sadducees leavening is like
a yeast and so when you have a

4149
04:21:02,000 --> 04:21:06,500
yeast start it's going to
produce a certain type of bread.

4150
04:21:06,500 --> 04:21:08,300
You know.
It's going to be consistent its

4151
04:21:08,300 --> 04:21:11,900
players but if it gets exposed
to a contaminant or if it, you

4152
04:21:11,900 --> 04:21:16,700
know, parts of it that start
that that leavening can become

4153
04:21:16,700 --> 04:21:21,800
corrupted and now it will still
produce bread but it will not be

4154
04:21:21,800 --> 04:21:25,300
the same and I think that this
is my point.

4155
04:21:25,300 --> 04:21:28,500
The reason I think it is so
important to establish the

4156
04:21:28,500 --> 04:21:31,800
Baseline of Joseph Smith in the
president that he said in the

4157
04:21:31,800 --> 04:21:34,900
president that Brigham Young
followed for the first three

4158
04:21:34,900 --> 04:21:39,800
years after the martyrdom It is
so important to edit to have

4159
04:21:39,800 --> 04:21:43,500
that Clarity and then can
understand that the priesthood

4160
04:21:43,500 --> 04:21:45,400
ban was a departure from that
precedent.

4161
04:21:45,400 --> 04:21:50,300
And if, if it's if the president
was true, that would be one

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thing.
Like yeah, Hallelujah.

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God gave the greater light
knowledge to Brigham to explode

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in a hole that that Joseph Smith
had left a gap in the

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restoration but it's my
testimony that actually this is

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leavening and that I'm not
throwing Brigham or anyone else

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under the bus.
But I am trying to emphasize

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that we need to repent and we
can put this false tradition

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behind us and I testified that
the fruits of that testimony

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that if we make that choice and
God won't force you to do and if

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you want to believe in a God who
has the priesthood ban, I

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probably know.
Now have evidence or persuasion

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is going to convince you
otherwise and I get that but if

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you want If you would prefer to
believe in a god, that is no

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respecter of persons, who loves
all of his children.

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Equally regardless of race or
color is my testimony.

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That's the actual god of the
restoration.

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That is the god that Joseph
Smith worship.

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That is the god that we should
worship.

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And the the the blessings that
come into our hearts, as we

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embraced the truth and let go of
the false tradition are

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unquantifiable, and it will
result in Zion being

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established.
Awesome.

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All right brother went almost 5
hours.

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Oh man, well I should have
known, I guess it is a lot.

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A lot of material to cover and
there was a long discussion.

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Yep.
Awesome.

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If anyone wants to get ahold of
you, how do they do it?

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So the websites blacks in the
priesthood, and Teresa, Dan.

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Calm have contact Fields open
submit if you would prefer to

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just get my, get ahold of me
directly.

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If you have a way to reach,
Dave, he can put you in touch

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with me.
Everyone knows how to get ahold

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of me.
So alright man, good stuff like

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thank you, bye everybody.
Listening to the morning

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Renegade podcast.