Episode #93: The Priesthood Ban Debate W/Jacob Vidrine & Justin Francom

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So University of some new intro
music for the podcast.

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I want to give a great big
shout-out to Tom Bennett for

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composing and recording.
That for me, I feel like he

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really nailed me and what the
shows all about?

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Well, today is the first for the
podcast.

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This is the first time that I
will try a moderate a debate.

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The two men that are debating
should be very familiar to the

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audience.
They are Justin Frank him and

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Jacob vidrine.
Now, not only are you about to

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get a masterclass in Mormon
history and theology but Jacob

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and Justin exhibit, how to
disagree, passionately and not

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be hateful while doing so the
topic of the debate, the

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priesthood band.
I mean, come on.

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You didn't think I was going to
start with something easy.

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Did you in the debate?
Justin, and Jacob debate.

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The identity of the Canaanite,
what the curse of Kane is who

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revealed the priesthood ban in
church history, how the band was

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revealed and is the priest
should ban and the doctrines

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that surround it really.
What we've been taught they were

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all these years buckle up for a
wild ride on this episode of the

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Mormon Renegade podcast.
Look, it's no secret that our

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society has become Much more
prudent course to become and

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raise men and women of virtue
and characters a Herculean task

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to help with this.
I've recently wrote and

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published a book.
Now, back in the 1700s,

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Washington had a book called
Rules of Civility, and Decent

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Behavior, and Company, and
conversation.

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It was a book with 110 Rules
that talked about how to conduct

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yourself like a civilized person
in society.

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Something that today Society is
sorely, lacking.

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What I did is I went back
through the book and I

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reinterpreted his original
sayings for the 21st century.

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So, the book is laid out in a
way in which you see

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Washington's original rule right
below.

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The ad is my explanation for the
21st century.

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And below that, you'll find two
or three examples of where to

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use this in the real world.
Now, you go along with this,

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there's a book that helps
parents teach these principles

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and practices to their kids to
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Go to Mormon renegade.com.
Go to the bottom of the page,

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search out the blog post in
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from personal experience that

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this is an invaluable tool to
help you raise men and women of

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virtue and character.
Listening to the Mormon Renegade

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podcast.
All right, so on this episode,

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where did you something I've
never done before.

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And to be honest with you I'm a
I'm a touch nervous cuz I've

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never monitor it and, you know,
kind of moderated a debate

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before, but this, this is going
to be fun.

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So I found two guys who always
have their research together,

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they can present well and I
think this is going to make for

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a fascinating debate and one of
the, what we're going to talk

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about tonight is the priesthood
man.

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And I imagine that that will
cover just about everything on

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when it comes to the priest of
dance.

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So, First, we got Jacob on and
Jacob your it just real quick.

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Your urine favor.
The band correct.

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Yes.
I'll be arguing in the

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affirmative or the priest, the
band Justin and you're going to

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be off advocating against the
ban.

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Is that correct?
Okay, perfect.

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All right, so everybody knows
you been on here.

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Both you what I found
interesting is that you've both

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been on very recently actually,
so that it was kind of was kind

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of good, you know, people people
are familiar with you.

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So let's go ahead and we'll just
kind of do like some opening

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stuff, right?
Some opening statement, sort of

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stuff and Jacob will let you
just go ahead and start it off.

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Okay, well thanks for putting
this together.

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I just like to start off just
kind of over being what the

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priesthood ban is for people who
might not be familiar with it.

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So the early Mormon isn't there
was an, it was understood that

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there was to not just be a
restoration of the Church of

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Christ, but there was also to be
a restoration of all things,

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including many principles
pertain to the priesthood.

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That you are not commonly find
very explicitly in the New

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Testament, but seemed to be more
than the Old Testament in their

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overview and in their nature.
And one of those things that was

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introduced in early Mormonism
with a doctrine of the what

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would be called the segregation
of Israel or a priest and

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restriction where the priesthood
was restricted, from individuals

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of African descent under the
understanding that they were the

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descendants of Cain and ham and
that does Lennie, it just did

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not have the right to the
priesthood.

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So early Mormonism had a view.
There was both shows in lineage

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that had the right to the
priesthood has mentioned.

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The DNC 86 that you were born
heir to the priesthood.

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Your lawful Heir have been
hidden with Christ in God, but

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there also was a lineage that
was to not receive the

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priesthood.
And so, this Doctrine was most

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explicitly stated by Brigham
Young to the territorial.

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Legislature of Desert Rat Pack
on February 5th, 1852 and end.

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He buried.
He lays out the doctrine and

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very explicit terms and that's
kind of when a lot of Scholars

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view that is when it started.
But there's other views on when

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it started, I'm going to present
kind of additional views on

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that.
And so just to kind of start

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off, I'm going to be covering
three main areas.

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I'm going to say my issues are
is appreciative and scriptural,

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was it implemented by Joseph
Smith because there are those

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their debate whether it started
with Joseph, Or Brigham Young

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and then third, should it be
applicable today.

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So when I go to address but it
is the priests of a scriptural

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and we're talking about in the
restoration of all.

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Things were restoring Old
Testament Doctrine.

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If you go back to Genesis, you
can see that there is a concern

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about not interfering with
certain languages.

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When you go back to the stories
of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,

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Genesis 24 to does an Abraham
said, it said unto his Elvis

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Duran and out of the house.
That ruled over all he had put,

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I pray thee, thy hand under my
thigh.

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I'll make these swear by the
Lord, the god of Heaven and the

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god of art, that thou shalt not
take away from this on to my son

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out of the daughters of the
Canaanites among who might.

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Well without shunts, go on to my
country and to my children and

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take away, I punch my son.
Isaac, can you continue on

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Genesis 26?
This comes up again, in the

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story of Jacob and Esau, when
Isaac has children and their

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growing up and getting Do Esau
actually married individuals

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from the daughters of Canaan and
this was a thing that was

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upsetting to their parents
Jesse's 20 through 26 verse 35,

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which was the grief of my data
Isaac and Auntie Rebecca.

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So then in the next chapter,
Genesis 27, Rebecca said to

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Isaac, I am weary of my life
because of the daughters of hat.

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If Jacob also take away from the
daughters of had such as the

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image of the dogs allowed, what
good shall my life due to me.

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So she's kind of got some
concerns about, you know, that

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this would be very detrimental
to her life.

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If Jacob were to marry among the
descendants of the land.

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And you see that in Genesis 28
than Jacob, Isaac charges.

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Jacob saying.
So not take away from the

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daughters of Canaan.
So then you go on in the

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scriptures it's encoded and
Deuteronomy 7, verses 1 through

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3 which Institute these Metal
Rooster By the law of Moses, it

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comes up again, in the story of
numbers, 25/6 through 9, where

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there's actually a play gun
Israel because of one of the

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Israelites marrying and
midianites Dish women, and it

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was stay because Phineas killed,
both the man and the woman.

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And so that's that's numbers.
25/6 through 9, answer the

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questions, where did the start,
where do the stalker and start?

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That start with Abraham?
And if you go to Restoration

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scripture, if you turn to the
pearl of great price, the Books

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of Moses and Abraham kind of
detail that this went on this

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segregation Doctrine went on
from Before.

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The Flood.
Go to Moses 7 verse it says for

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behold, the Lord shall curse the
land as much eating the banister

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and shall go forth forever.
There was Blackness came up on

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all the children came in and
they were despised among all

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people.
Then continued verse 12.

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Continue to call upon all the
people save it where the people

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of Canaan to repent the most
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the people, which were the sons
of Adam.

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And there a mixture of all the
seed of Adam save.

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It was the seat of came for the
seed of camera black and had not

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placed among them.
So then you go to Abraham.

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The book of a rat Abraham
chapter 1 verses 26 and 21

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verses 21 through 27 is the most
explicit place I believe in the

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scriptures outline this Doctrine
explains how there was a cursed

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before the flood and that the
curse was preserved After the

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flood as well.
The verse when he wants is now

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this king of Egypt was a
descendant from the loins of him

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with a partaker of the blood of
the cainites by Burke from 22

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from this to set spring, all the
Egyptians and dust the blood of

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the cainites was preserved in
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The land of Egypt mean first
discovered by a woman who is the

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daughter of him.
And the daughter of Egypt is,

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which is in the Chaldeans
signifies Egypt, which signifies

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that, which is forbidden when
this woman, discovered that it

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was under water, which
afterwards sell her son's in it

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and dust from hair.
Screen.

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Race, which preserved the curse
in the lad.

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Now, the first government of
Egypt was established by Pharell

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the eldest son of a jet is the
daughter of ham was after the

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manner of the government of ham
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Pero being a righteous man is
stablished his kingdom and

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judges, people wisely, and
justly, all his days, speaking

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earnestly to imitate the order
established by the father's, in

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the first generation in the days
of the first patriarchal, even

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the reign of atoms, also know
his father who blessed him with

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the blessings of this Earth and
with the blessings of wisdom.

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But Christian as pertaining to
the priesthood, verse 27 is key.

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It does not bear being of that
lineage by which he could not

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have the right of priesthood,
notwithstanding the Pharaohs

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would being claimed it from Nowa
through have there for my father

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was led Away by their idolatry.
And so then Jessie G of Genesis

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9:30.
As an addition by Joseph Smith,

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that people are familiar with
generally, it says and he butt.

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And so this is a Noah is
blessing and cursing his stunts

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and he said, blessed be the Lord
God of Shannon Kane.

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And she'll be a servant and a
veil of Darkness shall cover him

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and he's that he shall be known
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So some people try to make it
out that this was mostly just

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for religious reasons.
But there wasn't actually really

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a lineage aspects to this.
That was a significant aspect

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but I would say that that's kind
of flies in the face of what's

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in Abraham 1:21 through 27.
But I also see if you look at

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the books of Ezra and Emma and I
are in the Old Testament, it

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also very explicitly laces out.
Azra 262 since it's basically

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the Israelites had come back
from bondage and they were

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trying to rebuild the Temple in
Israel and I found out that many

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of the Israelites had
intermarried with these other

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races that they've been
forbidden from interfering with

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and it was such a difficult
issue for the prophet Ezra that

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he was literally plugging the
hairs out of his beard and out

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of his head and he sat down
astonished you said you know it

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would be.
So it was said it was such a

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difficult situation.
Do astronauts, use 62 cents.

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I stopped at a registry among
those were reckoned by Jenny

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ology, but they were not found
their forwards day, as polluted

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put from the priesthood Than
Ezra. 91 says, when these things

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were done to princess came to be
saying the people of Israel and

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the priests and Levites and not
separate themselves from the

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people who are doing according
to their Abominations, even the

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cainites, the Hittites, the
parents rights, the jebusites,

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the ammonites the moabites
Egyptians in the amorites where

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they've taken their daughters
themselves and for their son's.

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So that the holy seed have
mingled themselves of the people

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of those Lads in the hands of
the princes and rulers have been

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cheap and distressed.
So then them and I are just my

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last few scriptures.
I'm going to start them and I

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are 13, 27 and 28.
Show me then Harkins you to do

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this great evil to transgress
against our God and marrying

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strange wives.
And why the sons of Joe died?

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The son of Elijah by the high
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Was son-in-law to send a hangout
the horror and I therefore I

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Tristan from me.
Remember then.

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Oh my God, because they have
defiled, the priests in the

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Covenant of the priesthood, and
the Levites.

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So I do see there being us
something, there's something

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there in the scriptures that
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And I just I personally believe
that we need to take a holistic

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approach to the scriptures.
There's a statement from fruit

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you need except the whole truth.
I think that's what the

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scriptures.
We need to take a holistic

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approach, the scriptures and not
just now emphasizing one part

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against another part.
So you want me to cover my other

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two points?
Do the started by Joseph or you

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want me to go on to the
historical part now or do you

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want to hear for a second?
Cuz I want Justin to times has a

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lot of material so I want to
make sure that we're taking this

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kind of in bite-sized pieces,
right?

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Know that we're not just cuz it
cuz I would hate for someone to

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feel like, oh, I need to respond
to that and then you're on your

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next point, he can try but it
was so let's take it and in some

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small bite-sized portions here.
If that's alright.

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Jacob dusting.
You good with that 20?

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Yeah, yes.
There there's a lot to cover.

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I'm really not trying to just
know.

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I know, I know.
I totally understand.

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I totally understand.
Just give you some time now to

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to respond to that and then that
sort of stuff and when we feel

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like we flushed out what Jacobs
presented so far, then we'll

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move on.
Does that sound good to both of

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you?
All right, go ahead.

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Yeah well if I think what Jacob
just did there was provide an

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excellent overview of the ideas
of priest.

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The band that from a historical
scriptural perspective.

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I think that Yeah, I think
that's a great Foundation to to,

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to start, you know, the debate
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But I know I want I want
introduce myself a little bit as

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well.
To be honest, like, I'm not

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entirely sure why.
I'm here, I'm, I'm not really a

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scholar, but, you know, I've got
opinions as you know, and, you

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know, you invited me on here and
I just wanted to share how I,

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how I got where I am cuz there's
not a mean, there's not a lot of

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people that call themselves
fundamentalist that opposed the

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priesthood ban.
And so it actually starts with,

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with, with when I journey into
fundamentalism when I was first,

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Dealing with some of the
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Actually, plural marriage was
one that was a little bit.

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It took a little bit of work to
swallow, to be honest.

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And I remember one of the things
that really helped was an

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argument that I heard that the
manifesto the church produced is

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a Manifesto, but it's not a
revelation, where's the

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Revelation?
And it's the church was supposed

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to put aside Celestial marriage
in the principal shouldn't there

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be a revelation stating?
So and you know, I looked and I

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looked and I looked I could not
find a revelation on that and

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that really for the set my way
of like, okay, this is something

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that we can, we can question.
Maybe this is something that can

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be challenged, was this right or
wasn't too, right?

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It open the door to start
questioning things.

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And, you know, at the time, the
Manifest looks very look, very

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similar to me.
It's also, one of the best of

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the priests it down or the LDS
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What is an official document
saying that?

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They're ending the priests of
band.

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And again, the Revelation,
saying, down the back, I didn't

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see one, right?
And so I just kind of took that

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as well.
I took that along with the with

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the principal and started making
my way into an acceptance of the

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fundamentalist beliefs and
doctrines of my wife.

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But as time has gone on, I
started finding out that you

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know that there's a huge huge
source of evidences of Joseph

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Smith practicing polygamy and
teaching it be on Brigham.

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Young is revelation section 132
alone.

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But there's John Taylor's
Revelations about how the

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principal was intended to be
preserved until Christ came

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again.
And As I learned more and more,

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it is bolstered my testimony of
plural marriage.

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But at the same time, I was
studying the history and I

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started at the same time,
looking at the history of the

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priests to down in the origins
of the priests to ban in the

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more and more of that in the
more that I looked at it and the

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more history I did on it the
more it didn't sit right with me

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and it really kind of came down
to a question of.

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Well, wait a minute, I have I
have seen tons of scriptural and

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revelatory answers for, why be a
logical explanations for Why?

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God is a stand for in to
Covenant marriage?

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And I never found the origin of
the priesthood band with the

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same kind of testimony with the
same kind of revelatory credence

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that I think is absolutely
important and because I'm at me,

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if you've ever played telephone
It's amazing how in it and a

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small group of 10, 20 people a
phrase gets twisted and

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distorted.
Going around the circle.

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And when you add to that time
and and hundreds and hundreds of

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years, there's a reason why God
uses this standard of of

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Revelation.
And scripture to establish his

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troops, especially on things
that are really, really

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important.
And I think that this decision

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of the priests of Dan is,
really, really important.

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If Brigham Young is correct in
what he says on that.

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Then there are some dire
consequences to opposing this

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but, on the other hand, if
that's not right or if that was

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the case where where where's the
revelation, Where is the

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inspired riding to make sure
that we don't mess this up?

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Even even simple.
It's something as simple as

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baptism.
Even something as I mean, I just

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saw during covid there were
these Catholic priest squirting,

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a baby across the room with a
with a with a spray bottle to

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baptize that, to just like okay
it's clear that with time

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without things getting set down
clearly.

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We slept, we make mistakes and
when something's really

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important, like, baptism God.
Put some pins in those things.

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So we don't slip on that on
those issues.

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And we find that in the Book of
Mormon, we could find that in

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Doctrine covenants, we don't buy
Place children wife.

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Well, it we have that, not only
do we have a revelation that we

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should wear, even given a
theology on why and again, when

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it comes to this, this priest to
them, I, I cannot find the

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Revelation, and I cannot find
the scripture that says that,

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you know, they say the Lord.
Don't you dare administer

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priesthood to these people are,
or there's going to be

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consequences.
And this is in, this is why he

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needs to be that way.
And so that's basically event.

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That's how it arrived at the
position that I'm in.

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And that's why I accepted your
invitation to come in and debate

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this site because I've studied
history in the scriptures as

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well.
And I and I have it a different

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perspective on.
And I've got some questions that

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I think absolutely really need
to be answered if we're going to

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move forward and establish line
in these last days.

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Karachi.
Okay, that's that's a great

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open.
Now, what?

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Let me ask you this, was there,
anything that Jacob said there

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that you want to address?
Oh yeah, yeah, I think probably

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all of it, to be honest.
Okay.

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Go ahead.
Judy where to start.

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I quickly ask is your position.
I'm actually want to do this

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before I got into my position.
I was wanting to know what time

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or what your position was like,
you think that there ever were

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times in the history of the
world, where is there?

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So one of the issues is it is
was it introduced by Joseph

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Smith?
And is it applicable the day and

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see what the scriptures?
I'm kind of wondering what's

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applicable in, say Old Testament
times.

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It's so maybe if you could try a
cover, what you think about what

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weather it was applicable in
certain Old Testament.

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There's some degree or how you
have to make sense of the

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scripture.
Okay, well, let's start then

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okay, well let's talk car with
the car.

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Since you brought up two of
them, you brought up the curse

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of you didn't bring up the
cursive can't specifically.

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But so we've got the first
curse, right?

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Is the cursive on Kane himself.
And afterwards his posterity,

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the Canaanites in Enochs time
committed genocide against

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another tribe of people, and
they were cursed.

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And then, as you said, the final
cursing is by is by Noah on to

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Canaan.
And that's the end.

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That's the one that references
being a servant, right?

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So we've got three curses, but I
don't see anywhere in those

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curses anything about the
prohibition of priesthood. and I

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think that's a pretty
significant Omission if if that

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was intended to be that way, So
moving then into Abraham Abraham

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one up here.
So, you quoted most of Abraham

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one there and at least as
pertinent to the question of the

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priesthood.
And I will, I will admit.

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That is definitely a way to look
at that.

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However, I don't think that is
exactly what his is being said,

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in the, in the Scripture it
says, in in first 26, Pharaoh

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being a righteous man
established his kingdom and

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judged his people wisely and
justly, all his days, speaking

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earnestly to imitate the order
established by the father's, in

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the first generations.
And in the days of the first

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patriarchal rain, even in the
rain of Adam and also have no

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his father who blessed him with
the blessings of the earth and

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with the blessings of wisdom,
but cursed him as pertaining to

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the priesthood.
So what I'm hearing, this sounds

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like a damn.
That sounds.

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A lot like a father's blessing,
kind of things.

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The Patriarchs often gave
blessings to their, to their

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sons and And it sounds like a
pharaoh desired.

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A blessing of Noah and bite, it
talks about him being a

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righteous man.
This desire to imitate the order

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established by the father's.
I think it's pretty clear that

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Pharaoh had a keen interest in
being able to receive that

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priesthood.
And I think what happened is he

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asked Noah for it and Noah, put
his hands on his head and did

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not give it to him.
I interpret that word but cursed

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him if it is cursed by lineage
to be incapable forbidden the

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priesthood then why does no need
to curse him individually to it

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to me.
That's a that did.

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This could be written in a way
that could communicate that, but

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that's not.
What's communicated

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communicated?
Is that Noah first?

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Trimester pertain to the priest?
Another words, he did not

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fulfill Pharaoh's Quest or
desire and give him that

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priesthood.
And then in 27, it explains now

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Pharaoh being of that lineage by
which he could not have the

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right of priesthood.
And then it gives an

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explanation.
I'm going to stop right there

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though.
It says, the right of priesthood

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and a right is something that is
owed.

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That is you have it.
You are entitled to write in

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America, hypothetically in
America, I have a right to a

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fair trial by a jury of my peers
and this isn't something a judge

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decides.
Well, with this guy, I'm going

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to give him a trial of his peers
and this guy, I'm not and I must

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may be interested and less than
speaking.

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This is a right that we have.
We are an entitled to demand

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this.
So what I'm saying here is The

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lineage by which Pharaoh came is
one that doesn't have a right to

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the priesthood.
They cannot demand the

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priesthood Pharaoh is not the
the firstborn that the the the

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the what do you call a Kia?
Just the kind of that the first

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born who, you know, how often
would receive their need to know

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their father's inheritance and
generally speaking in the in the

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Old Testament, that's how we see
priest a transferred generally

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speaking.
It's it's Our son has a right to

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that priesthood.
That's why he saw so upset when

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he doesn't, when he doesn't,
when he's not blessed with that

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priest that he's upset because I
felt like, you know, Jacob stole

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it from him and technically he
already sold it.

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But none, the less he still, he
still kind of thought that that

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was something he was going to
get cuz he had a right to it.

446
00:27:09,900 --> 00:27:13,600
Now he gave up that right, but
he would have had a right to it

447
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,000
now, just because you don't have
a right to something go.

448
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,600
Doesn't mean you can't repeat
it.

449
00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:28,100
So, I don't have a right to two
for the government to, to

450
00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:31,400
provide for my material needs,
that's not one of the rights.

451
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,100
Spelled out in the, in the
Constitution Bill of Rights.

452
00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:35,900
None, the less I can still have
those Meade's.

453
00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:39,700
Net met I don't have a right to
them.

454
00:27:39,700 --> 00:27:43,200
I don't have a right to other
people's property, but I am, I

455
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,600
am capable of receiving it.
If if I see somebody who is on

456
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,100
the streets begging, he does not
have a right to my money but I

457
00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:52,900
can still choose to offer that
to them.

458
00:27:52,900 --> 00:27:57,400
So what I see here in first
Abraham is a situation where you

459
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,200
got a man who generally
speaking, looks like a pretty

460
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,500
good candidate to be able to
receive the priesthood he asked

461
00:28:04,500 --> 00:28:06,900
for it and it's not given to
him.

462
00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:10,000
He doesn't have a right to it
though because he's not of the

463
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,100
lineage and it tells us I
believe right after that.

464
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:16,500
Why you didn't receive it is
right after explaining that he

465
00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:18,900
was not of the language that has
a right to it.

466
00:28:18,900 --> 00:28:22,000
It says notwithstanding the
Pharaohs, would Fain clean it

467
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,800
from, Noah through him.
There for my father was led Away

468
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,500
by their idolatry.
It's it's right there that you

469
00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:31,200
know.
Apparently if Noah had given

470
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:36,300
Vero the priesthood well the
Pharaohs after him the other

471
00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:38,600
pharaohs there they were they
were going to do some bad things

472
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,800
but then they were doing all
kinds of bad things with that

473
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,600
actually fit just right above
that, it talks about the priest

474
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,700
of pharaoh committed, human
sacrifice.

475
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,100
And that's a pretty terrible
thing.

476
00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:53,300
And that's not, that's not
something that you would give

477
00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:55,400
God's.
Holy priest 02.

478
00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:57,700
So that they could then do that
kind of stuff in the name of

479
00:28:57,700 --> 00:29:01,400
God's, holy priesthood.
So, what I see here is that they

480
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,400
don't have a right to and I
don't think I have a right to be

481
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,400
honest.
Maybe Joseph Smith was of a line

482
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,800
that had a right to that
priesthood but personally, I

483
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,400
don't feel like I have a right
to that free stuff, but I still

484
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,000
receive.
None, the less Dia Revelation

485
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,700
through inspiration of a
priesthood holder who felt that

486
00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:21,700
it was proper to transfer that
priest it to me.

487
00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:26,800
And so in like wise, I think
that this isn't a a racial band

488
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:31,100
being presented here at the
tragic story of somebody who via

489
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:34,400
Revelation was had the
priesthood withheld and I'm

490
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,700
totally fine with that and I
think that can apply to anybody

491
00:29:36,700 --> 00:29:39,500
black or white.
You like he's so cute he lost

492
00:29:39,500 --> 00:29:42,600
that he had that, right?
But he didn't receive as well

493
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:48,000
you could say that that That
Isaac Kirsten as to the

494
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,100
priesthood as well, because you
didn't get it.

495
00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:56,000
So, anyways, that's, that's kind
of how I would rest.

496
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,300
Abraham one and the nature of
the curse is there anything

497
00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:02,200
you'd like to comment on that?
I guess.

498
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,400
Do you have anything you have
any other scriptures are things

499
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:15,100
that you want to bring up
scriptural and all kinds of

500
00:30:15,108 --> 00:30:20,600
stuff like a right of the
firstborn kind of thing where

501
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,600
it's like a special Birthright
that was being discussed and

502
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:30,500
Abraham 1:26-27 rather than say
just the priesthood in general

503
00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:34,000
is that kind of absolutely cuz
that's that's basically what we

504
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,500
see right happening with the
priesthood going from first and

505
00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:40,800
the first, I mean, how many
other posterity did Adam have

506
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,800
any other sons did he have?
How many other sons and their

507
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,700
sons have?
I mean, leading up to the flood,

508
00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:52,100
there was a massive population,
right?

509
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:57,100
Of of people coming from Adam
and yet the scriptures shows the

510
00:30:57,100 --> 00:31:00,500
lineage of Noah's line.
Then that was a line that carry

511
00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:03,100
the priesthood and it wasn't
just given to everybody.

512
00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:06,100
It was something that was
carried down from 5.

513
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:14,800
It's not at that time.
So I mean I guess does that you

514
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,700
have any questions?
Any other questions with the

515
00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:19,600
perspective on this that I'm
sure.

516
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:25,200
So I've heard that perspective
before, a how does it fit with

517
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,700
saved like verses 21 through 25?
Where it's kind of talking about

518
00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:32,500
this lineage.
That's coming down, there is

519
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:35,800
preserving like a curse than the
land and, you know, it's kind of

520
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,700
saying that the blood of the
Canaanites, you know.

521
00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:41,100
So it isn't.
How does that fit with your

522
00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:47,800
perspective on Abraham 12060?
Well, I absolutely believe that

523
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,500
there are there was clearly
other other cursings and things

524
00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:51,800
going on.
I mean, like I said, we were

525
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,900
mentioned.
I mention three of them already,

526
00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:58,000
right?
If we speaking though, the other

527
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,700
thing is technically speaking,
that curse on Canaan will not

528
00:32:00,700 --> 00:32:05,600
apply.
The Pharaoh, Pharaoh, is the the

529
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,000
son of Egypt has the daughter of
Egypt.

530
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:15,100
Us wife has ham, right?
And Caitlin is Hamm's sun when

531
00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:20,500
it's ham Sons.
So, the curse that that, that

532
00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:23,600
curse of servitude, it was
explicitly, not pronounced upon

533
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,100
him and his line, it was that
curse was specifically

534
00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:28,400
pronounced upon Canaan and even
there.

535
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,300
I wonder was that a curse on
Canaan, the man, or was that a

536
00:32:31,300 --> 00:32:33,500
curse on Kanan in his posterity
forever?

537
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:36,200
You know, I did it's really not
very explicit.

538
00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:41,000
And I've actually have a lot of
doubts about the.

539
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:46,300
So, the faster thing when I was
looking up, doing research on

540
00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:50,900
this topic, like I did, I found
that there is day, that, that

541
00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:59,200
that verse in Genesis 10.
Where it says that Canaan is

542
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,800
cursed to be a servant.
Was basically the justification

543
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:09,000
used by Christians from the
early days and even in America

544
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:14,000
to justify slavery, even though
the terrible slavery's, the kind

545
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,100
of things that we're going on
the Christians with some, not

546
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:18,800
all questions.
But the questions that were in

547
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,200
favor of slavery, would use that
verse to justify it.

548
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:26,800
And the interesting thing to me
is is that those that net force

549
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:33,700
is applied to Canaan, not to him
and Canaan lives in the land of

550
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:34,500
Canaan.
Right.

551
00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:38,500
I mean, to hit Earth is
constantly dealing with the

552
00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:41,500
Canaanites, the rest of hams
children.

553
00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:45,300
It's believed went down south
and settled in Ethiopia and

554
00:33:45,300 --> 00:33:48,200
Egypt, right?
As in-laws as Abraham would

555
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,500
indicate are.
The Canaanites are the ones that

556
00:33:50,508 --> 00:33:56,100
stuck around modern-day.
Well that what do you call it?

557
00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:58,800
Not good to Garden Valley.
Are you or not?

558
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,600
The Jordan.
I think the mountains to on the

559
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,800
west, Busy that whole area.
That's where they that's where

560
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:09,600
the Canaanites settled and the
interesting thing to me is that

561
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,400
that's not where, that's not
where the slaves came over from

562
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,100
in America.
Today they're the African, they

563
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:21,800
were African slaves and there
are people that came from

564
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,600
Africa, not from the land of
Canaan.

565
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,199
And the curse of servitude
apparently was put upon Canon,

566
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:36,800
not not Crush, not remember his
misery him or the other the

567
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,000
other sons of of ham it was
specifically on Canaan and he's

568
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,300
the one who basically stuck
around and created his people in

569
00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:47,699
and try to take the holy land,
that was ultimately promise to

570
00:34:47,699 --> 00:34:50,900
Abraham and they're, they're
actually to this day, I was

571
00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:54,500
recently reading, I found some
research and it was done in

572
00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:58,300
2017.
Where they exhume, they had some

573
00:34:58,300 --> 00:35:01,100
exam bodies of Canaanites from
clear back.

574
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,100
It would have been around 2,000
BC.

575
00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:10,300
And they mapped their genetics
and to their blood and then they

576
00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:12,600
took some Lebanese in and
checked their blood and they

577
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:18,700
found that modern-day Lebanese
or 90% Canaanite that they've

578
00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:24,500
had some other Blood come in
Venetian midnight and I think

579
00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:27,700
the Macedonian not midnight
Macedonian and a few other

580
00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:31,400
places but for the most part,
they're still there.

581
00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:37,600
And yet, so I don't think that
that is he that's exactly what

582
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:43,700
misunderstanding of of a people
or a curse and using scriptures

583
00:35:43,700 --> 00:35:46,100
to justify a different treatment
of people.

584
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:49,900
That's an example that being
abused right there in American

585
00:35:49,900 --> 00:35:54,500
history.
So yeah.

586
00:35:54,500 --> 00:36:00,000
So I would say that if there is
a yes there were, there were

587
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,000
accursed people, that's very
clear.

588
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,100
But I again the scriptures don't
say anything about a priest of

589
00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:09,900
damn, the scripture don't say
anything about them being cursed

590
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:14,100
to be able to curse to be a
prohibited from the priesthood.

591
00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:17,400
All it says, is that Daryl did
not have the right because of

592
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,700
his lineage.
And I think that makes perfect

593
00:36:19,700 --> 00:36:24,400
sense, and fits exactly with
what the, the rest of the Old

594
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,800
Testament Story show of the
lineage of the priesthood

595
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:35,900
Abraham.
Do it, do it like it kind of

596
00:36:35,900 --> 00:36:39,600
carrying this issue or if you
have something to her but with

597
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:45,000
yeah you can you can.
But back if you would like So I

598
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,100
guess where I would start, I'm
going to address everything you

599
00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:51,400
said to have been reversed.
So the last thing you had

600
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,800
mentioned was that the
modern-day Canaanites are the

601
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,100
same as the Biblical context and
I'm going to dispute that on the

602
00:36:58,100 --> 00:37:00,000
ground.
That you said that there is that

603
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,400
research that shows that you're
certain.

604
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,000
Populations are pretty much
identical racially to modern-day

605
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,800
people living in that area.
But I would say that they were a

606
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,300
wide variety there's there's a
lot of the shows that there was

607
00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:16,800
a wide variety of different
populations that moved in and

608
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,700
even like you look at Egypt's
like Egypt was a multi-racial

609
00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:24,000
society for a lot of its
existence where you had kind of

610
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:30,900
a Dometic upper-class, your kind
of all different races, kind of

611
00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:34,400
among the Egyptians for most of
Egyptian history.

612
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:39,400
I would say that Kanon is pretty
similar and I would say that the

613
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:44,000
other certain people who
disputes the claim that you know

614
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,100
that Biblical.
Israelites are whites which is

615
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:51,400
part of Mormonism is kind of
going back to the kind of the

616
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,500
Book of Mormon where the Book of
Mormon identifies that the

617
00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:59,600
Gentiles we're going to be if I
seized the Gentiles, does there

618
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,400
white at like, like unto my
people before they were slain.

619
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,500
And he sees the Virgin Mary,
she's white and white and

620
00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:08,900
beautiful.
And, and we told her, the Book

621
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:15,800
of Mormon Joseph Smith, as
coming from Britain was a

622
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:21,700
descendant of Ephraim, son, of
Joseph and that you'd be named

623
00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:26,200
after his father Joseph after
Joseph is what s e 53 says, two

624
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:32,400
part of Mormonism Doctrine.
Is this idea that the chosen

625
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,900
whites are part of the chosen
lineages?

626
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:37,600
It's not.
Just those who are Jews.

627
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,000
Do you have anything to say with
that, not just real quick, I'm

628
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,000
not saying that.
I believe that ancient Jews were

629
00:38:44,300 --> 00:38:47,500
Black that is not what I'm
saying.

630
00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:50,900
What I'm saying is that so the
exit has happened.

631
00:38:50,900 --> 00:39:01,300
Well Escape.
Look at the way that it matches

632
00:39:01,300 --> 00:39:09,500
the history of Egypt, puts it
around, 1500 1500 BC.

633
00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:14,600
And the Canaanites bodies that
they that they are testing.

634
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:19,400
We're going, we're going back to
2000 BC.

635
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:24,000
So these would have been early
early Canaanite, people, and if.

636
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,800
Yes, there were a lot of people
coming in, there's a lot of

637
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,700
things happening there.
Racially.

638
00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:30,500
Right.
But the fact is that the

639
00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:34,200
modern-day Lebanese having still
have the 90% match so it's

640
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,100
pretty clear.
That's pathetic.

641
00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:38,900
And in fact, I where is that
scripture?

642
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:42,100
Where the scripture in the Old
Testament?

643
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,600
It actually just came up Ana and
priesthood the other day and I'm

644
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:58,100
like, wow, that's fascinating.
If I can stop back on on your

645
00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:02,800
identification of the canine
space and early Christian

646
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,100
sources, dating to the first
century that I set up.

647
00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:09,500
The first century in 3rd Century
Century for Christian birth

648
00:40:09,500 --> 00:40:12,300
Century for Jewish guy, death by
the 10-minute.

649
00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:17,000
Races as being the African you
know you have the black race is

650
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,900
kind of identified as being the
descendants of ham.

651
00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:26,700
Throughout the Bible though says
that Israel went when they cross

652
00:40:26,700 --> 00:40:28,800
the Jordan River they went to go
fight the Canaanites.

653
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,900
It was the Canaanites that they
thought they were fighting and

654
00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:48,600
they were told to do.
Yeah, they didn't, they do not

655
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,500
get it but they were supposed to
but they didn't, it did not

656
00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:57,600
eradicate all of them and but
later on so this is something

657
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,600
that Josephus kind of comments
that the African race used to

658
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,700
extend all the way into the
Middle East, but that it's now

659
00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:07,300
only in Africa.
That's what he comments.

660
00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:10,100
And Antiquity of the do you
write the, quote, the children

661
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:13,600
of ham possess the land from
Syria to M&S in the mountains of

662
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,900
living is seizing upon all that
was on the Sea Coast.

663
00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:19,200
As far as the ocean, keeping it,
as their own, 17 of its names

664
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,200
are utterly vanished away, the
others of them being changed and

665
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,800
other sounds, giving them are
hard to be discovered, a few of

666
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,400
them, which have kept their
denominations entirely for of

667
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,400
the four sons of ham time is not
all hurt the name of chess for

668
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,400
the Ethiopians over whom ear and
or even to this day both

669
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,500
themselves to buy almond and
Asia called.

670
00:41:35,500 --> 00:41:40,000
It's the memory also was a
misery, a reserve by their name

671
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,600
and vote for we are all who
inhabit this country of Judea

672
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:50,900
call d.j.
Message, Olivia, o, l p.

673
00:41:50,900 --> 00:41:55,200
H, u t.
I from himself and he goes on.

674
00:41:55,200 --> 00:42:00,300
He says, he is a document, the
different geographical areas and

675
00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:03,500
the descendants of ham, he says,
but the name of it has been,

676
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:12,900
let's see what has been called.
Africa also said they possess

677
00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:18,900
possess the land from Syria and
he says that they, you know,

678
00:42:18,908 --> 00:42:28,200
that's why I'm saying we agree
and that's where it, that was

679
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:34,000
his area from What modern day is
right with modern Israel, it was

680
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,400
the promised land and right here
in Abraham one right before

681
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,300
this, we read that when Abraham
leave Ur, he passes through the

682
00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:45,400
land of Canaan.
And while he's there, the Lord

683
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,900
promises and that this is going
to be his land and then

684
00:42:47,900 --> 00:42:50,300
eventually he moves on to Egypt
but you don't even right there.

685
00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:53,400
It's identified as land of
Canaan, Canaan, son of ham.

686
00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:59,500
And the Canaanites are the ones
that populate that Jordan Valley

687
00:42:59,500 --> 00:43:02,900
area when they when the
Israelites cross over the Jordan

688
00:43:02,900 --> 00:43:05,900
River and they're the ones that
they're fighting with and they

689
00:43:05,900 --> 00:43:08,500
don't completely eradicate them
in that comes back to bite them

690
00:43:08,500 --> 00:43:12,900
again and again, and again, I'm
even so much that in here in a

691
00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:20,500
Zachariah 14 at, there's a
prophecy here in verse 21 that

692
00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:24,200
says every pot in Jerusalem and
Judea will be holy to the Lord

693
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,900
Almighty and all who come to
sacrifice will take some of the

694
00:43:27,900 --> 00:43:30,500
pots and cooking them.
And on that day, there will no

695
00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:35,000
longer be a Canaanite in the
house of the Lord Almighty. why

696
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,400
the issue with why the
Canaanite, because they're the

697
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,100
ones who were there in that area
and have always been in that

698
00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:46,800
area and these These bodies that
we're genetically tested.

699
00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:50,700
Clear, back in the time.
Basically, from the time around

700
00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:53,800
Abraham when they were hands,
passing through the land of

701
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,300
Canaan, they're genetically
still the same people.

702
00:43:58,300 --> 00:44:00,700
The Lebanese are those
Canaanites.

703
00:44:00,700 --> 00:44:04,200
And the curse of servitude was
on Canaan, it was not on him, it

704
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,400
was not on Kush, it was not on
his room, it was on Canaan.

705
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:13,300
And so, for the early
Christians, to use, the curse of

706
00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:17,600
Canaan is justification for for
the slavery that of the slaves,

707
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,600
they were taking out of Africa
is absolutely incorrect.

708
00:44:22,300 --> 00:44:28,700
And the only people trying to
argue that that the Canaanites

709
00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:32,600
were anyting.
Well, the only other people

710
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,200
arguing that about the identity
of the canterwood wood for the

711
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,700
Egyptians who said that the
Israelites are Canaanites as

712
00:44:37,700 --> 00:44:38,600
well.
They just sell them all the

713
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,700
same.
Yeah because they're a bunch of

714
00:44:41,707 --> 00:44:44,400
different kind of peoples that
we had been in that area

715
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:50,600
crossover, Jordan that they're
going after the Canaanites.

716
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,300
So I'm going to push back on you
on saying that.

717
00:44:54,300 --> 00:44:57,900
You don't think the Africans are
the Canaanites did.

718
00:44:57,900 --> 00:44:59,400
That's what you're arguing
right.

719
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,100
Yeah they did.
The Africans would be Kush.

720
00:45:02,100 --> 00:45:03,900
I am I.
It's okay.

721
00:45:03,900 --> 00:45:07,700
So how would how would you deal
with say the patriarchal

722
00:45:07,700 --> 00:45:11,700
blessings that were consistently
given in the early church to

723
00:45:11,700 --> 00:45:14,400
African individuals.
When they have identified them,

724
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:19,200
as in their lineages, they would
identify them as being the

725
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,000
lineage of Canaan, the son of
ham.

726
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,600
So for example, hiresmith told
Jane Manning that she was at the

727
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,700
lineage of Canaan, the son of
ham in an indicator that she was

728
00:45:30,700 --> 00:45:33,900
also under the curse of chain,
additionally, Walker, Lewis when

729
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:38,400
she got his patriarchal blessing
and 1851, he was also identified

730
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,900
as Kane in the son of ham.
In his patriarchal blessing, in

731
00:45:41,908 --> 00:45:45,800
those were both by the presiding
patriarch of the church in the

732
00:45:45,808 --> 00:45:47,200
Cypress.
We had higher Smith.

733
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,300
Say that you also add patriarch
John Smith, Joseph Smith's uncle

734
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:55,000
in 1851 of the author of many
other African individuals

735
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,100
throughout the history of the
church.

736
00:45:56,100 --> 00:46:00,100
You received that identification
and then climb on top of that.

737
00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:04,000
You kind of have a prophetic
statement by Brigham Young but

738
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,400
identifies them as being of the
lineage of Kane Atwood age of

739
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,500
have in his 1852.
Speech is so, how would you

740
00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:13,000
address the patriarchal
blessings?

741
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,200
Because we generally see those
as revelatory and we see that

742
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,500
our lineage is being pronounced
as being literally of it where

743
00:46:20,500 --> 00:46:23,300
an ephraimite were, you know,
literally of that lineage

744
00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:27,700
correct.
Yeah, I don't know, to be

745
00:46:27,707 --> 00:46:31,200
honest, I would, I would, I
would presume that.

746
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:38,000
It was.
Probably a mistake and

747
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,600
misunderstanding based off of
the the courts of cultural

748
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,700
teachings of the time. and I
don't think that is so

749
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:51,100
invalidates the the nature of of
the blessing, if it's based off

750
00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:55,600
of a misunderstanding of which
people were, which based off of

751
00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:00,300
the names and labels that we use
today, So what do you think of

752
00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:02,600
Moses?
78 saying that there would be a

753
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,700
Blackness on the children of
Canaan.

754
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,600
So do you think that that was a
literal Blackness or do you

755
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:13,700
think that was something other
than a literal Blackness?

756
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:15,900
I think it was a little black
dress.

757
00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:19,400
I don't know and I don't know
what else it would be.

758
00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:23,500
So, how would that fit with you
wanted to see the Canaanites

759
00:47:23,500 --> 00:47:29,200
were white or?
I mean modern-day, it's just the

760
00:47:29,207 --> 00:47:32,400
ancient Egyptians that they were
white and couldn't even

761
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,800
differentiate them from that
from the Israelites, when they

762
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,000
were enslaved, their we have and
then we have the scripture

763
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,300
telling us that came and settled
in that area.

764
00:47:41,300 --> 00:47:43,800
And then we have the word
identifying the people in that

765
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,000
area as Canaanites who look like
Israelites.

766
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,800
So you know I don't know why
they're skin color is different,

767
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,700
maybe they were uncursed at some
point.

768
00:47:51,700 --> 00:47:56,200
I don't have an answer for that
but the scriptures that the

769
00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:00,200
biblical record is clear who the
Canaanites are and it does not

770
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:04,600
place them in Africa.
New places like you like you

771
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:09,500
mentioned the other sons of ham
in Africa and the scriptures

772
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:13,100
both restored in here in a
Abraham.

773
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,700
And strippers ancient in the
Bible identify and even

774
00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:21,700
prophecies later on in the
Bible, all everything points to

775
00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:26,100
the Canaanites, are the people
living around Israelites who

776
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:29,200
they were, who in the later,
part of that you're talking

777
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:30,600
about who they were forbidden to
marry.

778
00:48:33,500 --> 00:48:38,800
So if it was just on the can I
I'm going to push back on that

779
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,000
point.
Now I'm going to say first of

780
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,600
all, you know, the Israelites
were told not to intermarry

781
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,200
with, not just the cainites, but
the cushites with the

782
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:55,700
Ethiopians, the options, and
according to the Jewish.

783
00:48:55,700 --> 00:49:00,500
So there's Jewish commentary on
the curse of Cain.

784
00:49:00,500 --> 00:49:11,300
It was Blackness, but they're
also kind of expounds on the

785
00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:15,300
curse on Canaan that thing.
It wasn't just on Canaan, but

786
00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:20,100
that was kemetic.
And, in general, if you, if you

787
00:49:20,100 --> 00:49:26,500
read the, I have I don't
particularly buy into, you know,

788
00:49:26,500 --> 00:49:28,000
the Jewish traditions on
everything.

789
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,200
Sometimes, there's insightful
things to pull from that that

790
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,600
can help bolster our faith and
understanding of things.

791
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:37,400
And sometimes, I think they're
just traditions, and the fact

792
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:42,800
that the Bible is explicitly
clear and who is cursed Is.

793
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:47,400
I mean it's it's right there.
I don't know how you can

794
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,500
commentary your way out of that.
And as far as the curse of Cain

795
00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:55,300
even going that the idea that
the curse of Cain cause black

796
00:49:55,300 --> 00:49:56,300
skin will.
Let me ask you this.

797
00:49:56,300 --> 00:49:58,600
Do you believe the Canaanites
were cursed with Blackness?

798
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,000
Like it says, do you believe
that that was their skin being

799
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,500
color?
Changing, as described as Moses.

800
00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:10,900
But they're already black is if
it came was cursed, right?

801
00:50:10,900 --> 00:50:15,400
Well, I, I think that came
intermarried with other children

802
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,500
and that, you know, they're
probably was different with

803
00:50:18,500 --> 00:50:22,200
mixed ring and then later became
darker because they were little

804
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,400
and with much heat is kind of, I
believe both can be true.

805
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,800
Just like you said, there's
multiple occurrences and

806
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:34,000
multiple different times so it
didn't.

807
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,100
I do think that, you know, you
got to be careful with Kyle

808
00:50:38,100 --> 00:50:40,500
saying, a scriptural own kind of
perspective.

809
00:50:40,500 --> 00:50:45,500
Because I do think that an
Doctrine, we do have an open

810
00:50:45,500 --> 00:50:47,500
Canyon.
And we understand that, what is

811
00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:50,700
in the Old Testament is very
limited.

812
00:50:50,700 --> 00:50:54,100
And we learned that in the book
of Moses and broken Abraham

813
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:58,500
greatly expanding on the
Canaanites and all the curses,

814
00:50:58,500 --> 00:51:06,600
then I can do that.
But but we believe that comes to

815
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,600
revelation.
And that this business will

816
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,600
start scripture commentating.
That's what that's different

817
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,300
from a Jewish rabbi Rabbi from
3000.

818
00:51:14,300 --> 00:51:24,700
Years ago, was Genesis actually
says Justice doesn't just say

819
00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:30,200
that because later on.
So there is mention of, you

820
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:35,100
know, the, the other races.
So let me pull up.

821
00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:37,200
If you want to go over it, let's
go over at the curse.

822
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:45,700
It says right there and Genesis
10 or 11 and get some 10 very

823
00:51:45,700 --> 00:51:49,100
into Genesis but then it says it
isn't the end.

824
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:58,100
News 9 + 29.
Yeah. 9 verse 27, God shall

825
00:51:58,100 --> 00:52:00,800
enlarge japheth and he shall
dwell in the tents of Shem.

826
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,300
And Canaan shall be his servant
and Noah lived after the photo

827
00:52:05,300 --> 00:52:08,700
that I missed.
It be Canaan, a servant of

828
00:52:08,700 --> 00:52:12,100
servants, shall he be under his
Brethren and he said, blessed be

829
00:52:12,100 --> 00:52:14,400
the Lord of Shem and came and
shall be his servant.

830
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,600
God shall enlarge Jay Smith and
he shall dwell in the tents of

831
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,200
Shem and Keenan shall be his
servant.

832
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:23,500
I see Canaan repeated three
times that Kanon is who is who

833
00:52:23,500 --> 00:52:25,300
is cursed?
It is not hand.

834
00:52:25,300 --> 00:52:31,000
That is cursed, it is not, it is
not Kush mizoram, that is

835
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,500
cursed, it is Canaan that has
cursed know but when you look

836
00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:41,700
at, so first of all, I would
have a Darkness.

837
00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:47,900
Come bring them that you should
be in referencing the, you know,

838
00:52:47,900 --> 00:52:52,000
blacks the dark skin purse.
And then if you go to Abraham

839
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:56,000
one, that's About the first
lineage.

840
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:00,200
And it's talking about the
Egyptian and that you have the

841
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,400
blood of the Canaanites was
preserved.

842
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:07,800
Its from pre-flood at the
bracelet as the Canaanites who

843
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,800
were the direct descendants of
Cain, pre-flood.

844
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:21,800
Jeff is the one who founded
Egypt and she's thinking.

845
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:26,300
If I thought witches which is
forbidden and Insulin, first 20

846
00:53:26,300 --> 00:53:30,400
46, bus from Ham spring the
race, which preserved in the

847
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,200
lads or was it just came in that
was kerstin thing that from him,

848
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,600
scratching the race.
So we do have revealed our Day.

849
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,100
Scripture that says it's beyond
just can it?

850
00:53:40,100 --> 00:53:42,800
It's my dad.
Is that the best free diluvion

851
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,600
curse on the Canaanites?
That cannot mean the Canaanite

852
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,700
the curse on Canaan son of him.
Because Egypt, this I mean,

853
00:53:53,200 --> 00:54:00,100
Egypt has found founded Egypt.
And in with the tradition of

854
00:54:00,100 --> 00:54:03,000
Joseph is that you're talking
about, would have, that's where

855
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,900
that's where the ham, son,
miserable miserable miserable, I

856
00:54:05,900 --> 00:54:12,200
don't have to announce it and
that's where he went. so, Canaan

857
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,900
was would have been Egypt.
This is brother.

858
00:54:17,500 --> 00:54:20,800
And they settled entirely
different settled in entirely

859
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:26,700
different, Geographic locations.
So when it says Canaan here in

860
00:54:26,700 --> 00:54:30,300
Abraham talking about the curse
being preserved through him,

861
00:54:30,300 --> 00:54:34,200
it's talking about the Canaanite
curse that it mentions and Moses

862
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,600
6.
As a consequence to the

863
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,200
genocides of those people
committed and that Chris does

864
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,100
not say that a servant of the
servants that that's the curse

865
00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:45,200
on Canaan that Noah gives to
Canaan.

866
00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:50,600
I can agree that the curse of
your Servants of service was

867
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:56,300
specifically to Canaan, but I do
think that all if we accept

868
00:54:56,300 --> 00:55:00,700
Abraham one that the entire
lineage of ham is under the

869
00:55:00,700 --> 00:55:05,400
pre-flood, can I curse?
So again, it.

870
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,100
We don't even know what that
Chris is.

871
00:55:07,100 --> 00:55:08,600
Other than that, their lands
would be.

872
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:12,300
Another land would be better and
that there would be a Darkness

873
00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:15,200
coming upon them.
It doesn't say again though, it

874
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:16,900
doesn't say anything about
priesthood, doesn't say anything

875
00:55:16,900 --> 00:55:21,300
about being a servant So we've
got Chris's here and I'm not

876
00:55:21,300 --> 00:55:24,700
denying that, there are curses,
I absolutely agree that there

877
00:55:24,700 --> 00:55:27,900
were people.
So you just think that Abraham

878
00:55:27,900 --> 00:55:34,800
1:21 through 25 is a different
course than a g 125.6 to 27.

879
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,600
You think that's just talking
about cuz they again there too

880
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,900
and Abraham in the, in the first
section of Abraham want to talk

881
00:55:40,900 --> 00:55:43,800
about that, the curse preserved
through and lineage.

882
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,700
It does not mention the priests
of their, it mentions, the

883
00:55:46,700 --> 00:55:51,300
priesthood in relation to Noah,
blessing Pharaoh individually.

884
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:57,200
And then it mentions that he was
cursed to the right of the

885
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,500
priesthood because of his
lineage, which I would suggest.

886
00:55:59,500 --> 00:56:03,800
Like, I've already said that
that's coming through his

887
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,700
lineage and it's a, it's a right
that he does not have.

888
00:56:06,700 --> 00:56:12,700
And in this instance, Noah put
his hands on his head and he did

889
00:56:12,700 --> 00:56:15,700
give him a blessing, and it was
a positive blessing for the most

890
00:56:15,700 --> 00:56:18,800
part, but he Kristen us to the
priesthood, so he wasn't able to

891
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,100
receive it by Revelation.
Don't so, why do you think that

892
00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:24,100
righteous man wouldn't be
allowed to hold the priesthood?

893
00:56:24,100 --> 00:56:30,200
I can't say, but first of all, I
don't believe that at that

894
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:34,400
priest, it is intended to be
given to righteous men.

895
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,900
It's not like it's a Worthing
issue here.

896
00:56:36,900 --> 00:56:43,600
It's a regulatory issue. and, it
says right after, like I said

897
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:53,600
that that Notwithstanding the
Pharaohs would Fain claim it

898
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,800
from, Noah through him.
There for my father was led Away

899
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,900
by their idolatry.
I would suggest.

900
00:56:57,900 --> 00:56:59,800
That is why he was not able to
receive them.

901
00:57:02,500 --> 00:57:07,300
And that would make sense.
That's why he was not allowed as

902
00:57:07,300 --> 00:57:13,700
a righteous man. he was living
in an inner-city in a population

903
00:57:13,700 --> 00:57:17,500
that were separating separating
themselves from God.

904
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:24,200
And in that really ties into
actually with with the other

905
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,000
scriptures that you brought
forth talking about Israel, the

906
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:32,100
segregation of Israel.
Because again, what were the

907
00:57:32,100 --> 00:57:37,700
Canaanites doing?
What were they doing?

908
00:57:37,700 --> 00:57:42,600
Among their populations.
What was the issue with the

909
00:57:42,607 --> 00:57:44,700
Canaanites?
What human sacrifice?

910
00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:50,600
A lot of human sacrifice?
Yes, yeah.

911
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,500
Kind of goes back to Kane and
that's when you look at the

912
00:57:53,500 --> 00:57:57,100
Traditions about Kane, they said
that his lineage was more prone

913
00:57:57,100 --> 00:58:02,100
to wickedness and that they
passed a wicked Traditions

914
00:58:02,100 --> 00:58:08,300
through their lineage, you know,
if if you got a wicked father,

915
00:58:08,300 --> 00:58:11,200
that does wicked things and
teaches you to do wicked things,

916
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:15,900
you could say that you're
cursed, it doesn't mean that God

917
00:58:15,900 --> 00:58:18,600
treat you any differently or
that God's going to hold you a

918
00:58:18,607 --> 00:58:20,900
different standard but it, but
you enter this life at a

919
00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:23,500
disadvantage.
And we all have different

920
00:58:23,500 --> 00:58:27,100
disadvantages.
You know, I could say that I am

921
00:58:27,100 --> 00:58:31,500
cursed as to memory cuz I
actually do not have a great

922
00:58:31,500 --> 00:58:39,400
specially compared to a lot of
my my scholarly friends over to

923
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:43,300
where I'm cursed as to being
able to push away from the table

924
00:58:43,300 --> 00:58:47,400
after S, I have.
Yeah.

925
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:52,900
So I'd like to get into the
definition of course, but just

926
00:58:52,900 --> 00:58:55,300
going back to go to the
segregation of Israel.

927
00:58:55,300 --> 00:58:58,900
Why certain people might be
withheld from the priesthood if

928
00:58:58,900 --> 00:59:01,600
they're living among and
idolatrous people and buy

929
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,700
adulteress.
This is incredibly Wicked, This

930
00:59:04,700 --> 00:59:07,800
isn't just now, these people
have a lot of fancy cars.

931
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,800
And every once in awhile day,
they pray.

932
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:14,700
Do you know what?
You know what a picture on their

933
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:17,000
wall.
This is these are these are

934
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,500
people that whenever there's a
drought they gather up their

935
00:59:19,500 --> 00:59:21,500
children and burn them to death
and fire.

936
00:59:21,500 --> 00:59:27,500
It's, it's absolutely horrific
and the segregation at that

937
00:59:27,500 --> 00:59:32,900
time, makes sense in the context
of keeping that from

938
00:59:32,900 --> 00:59:36,100
infiltrating into the Israelite
culture and people.

939
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:43,700
However, we know from the actual
scriptural history itself that

940
00:59:43,700 --> 00:59:46,100
this is not a matter of
principle.

941
00:59:46,100 --> 00:59:49,900
It is not that there's something
corrupted in the Canaanite blood

942
00:59:49,900 --> 00:59:53,400
that the Israelites are not
allowed to mix with it is

943
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,600
something about their culture,
and their people.

944
00:59:55,600 --> 01:00:01,500
And this is where we do see that
they're there are Converse into

945
01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:05,900
Judaism into individual face
into whatever, whatever you call

946
01:00:05,900 --> 01:00:08,000
that, I don't know.
Did we her come up with the

947
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:12,700
word?
Eva was them Judaism before the

948
01:00:12,700 --> 01:00:14,000
separation.
What was it before this

949
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:21,400
Monotheism hebrewism Uber isn't
maybe I don't know.

950
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:28,000
Anyways, that's a bit of a
tangent but again, The issue

951
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,500
here is they don't want the
command of God, is your son's,

952
01:00:31,500 --> 01:00:35,600
don't go Mary.
Those came in women and go in

953
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,000
and partake of those Canaanite
traditions and bring those

954
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,900
Traditions into the house in the
house of Israel.

955
01:00:41,100 --> 01:00:47,100
And that is a matter of context,
not a matter of of an absolute

956
01:00:47,100 --> 01:00:49,900
principle being declared.
I would say it's very similar to

957
01:00:49,900 --> 01:00:53,900
the ban on polygamy in the Book
of Mormon.

958
01:00:53,900 --> 01:00:59,900
By Jacob it's not an it's not a
matter of principle at but given

959
01:00:59,900 --> 01:01:03,100
the context and where the people
were at at the time and the

960
01:01:03,100 --> 01:01:08,100
things that we're going on the
Lord, Abbot Institute a band. on

961
01:01:08,100 --> 01:01:12,800
something that otherwise,
Doesn't have to be an issue.

962
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:19,000
And we, we really know this.
More than anything else because

963
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:30,900
we have the case up here.
We've got the case of I can't

964
01:01:30,900 --> 01:01:34,200
remember her name.
Sorry, Rahab.

965
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:42,600
That the Canaanite prostitute
who Jacob comes across as he's

966
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:47,600
invading Jericho and who helps
the spies out and is she ends up

967
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:52,700
being aired?
And not only is she spared the

968
01:01:52,700 --> 01:01:53,900
entrance into the house of
Israel?

969
01:01:53,900 --> 01:01:59,300
She marries and is actually one
of the direct ancestors of Jesus

970
01:01:59,300 --> 01:02:04,400
Christ himself.
If there was something foul in

971
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:09,800
this blood on principle in this
Canaanite, blood, then why would

972
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:14,700
why would then add then would
that not even corrupt, Jesus

973
01:02:14,700 --> 01:02:23,100
Christ.
I think it depends on which like

974
01:02:23,100 --> 01:02:27,900
I said, there were multiple
populations in in that.

975
01:02:27,900 --> 01:02:31,000
And I think, even if you look
back to the time of Abraham,

976
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,900
like there were multiple
populations like you have HID

977
01:02:34,900 --> 01:02:40,100
lights, and Hittites and one of
those are where a Semitic white

978
01:02:40,100 --> 01:02:45,100
race and while one of them were
in so that there were a bunch of

979
01:02:45,100 --> 01:02:49,200
different populations and with
Rahab she was considered a

980
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:56,500
gentlewoman.
It did say that she was well,

981
01:02:56,500 --> 01:03:01,100
accept that that that that is
where The Lord sent the

982
01:03:01,107 --> 01:03:02,700
Israelites to go to feed the
Canaanites.

983
01:03:03,700 --> 01:03:06,900
Well, they're supposed to get
all the other people's out of

984
01:03:06,900 --> 01:03:09,600
the way and, you know, it was
that they were supposed to

985
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:13,600
causal and they said, they were
not going after every population

986
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:16,500
there.
It was just the land where the

987
01:03:16,508 --> 01:03:20,500
Canaanites left.
They didn't move all the way on

988
01:03:20,500 --> 01:03:22,800
into in the Babylon.
They didn't go all the way up.

989
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:29,200
North it was and if they are
identified as the Canaanites and

990
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,900
if they're identified as the
same Canaanites actually smell

991
01:03:31,900 --> 01:03:36,600
the scripture, they cuz they're
they're even in and In Abraham's

992
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:40,800
time, cuz there are prophesied
to be destroyed because of their

993
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:44,000
wickedness, but it's, but it
would be the fourth generation.

994
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:49,100
So even before Israel ends up
captive in Egypt, The Lord

995
01:03:49,100 --> 01:03:52,300
identifies.
Those is Canaanites and says

996
01:03:52,300 --> 01:03:57,200
that they are going to be
destroyed by the Israelites at a

997
01:03:57,207 --> 01:04:03,300
future time.
I'm just going to have to

998
01:04:03,308 --> 01:04:07,100
disagree with you on your point
about, you know, it's not

999
01:04:07,100 --> 01:04:10,500
necessarily blood, it's the
tradition because we know from

1000
01:04:10,500 --> 01:04:14,900
Abraham 21 through 22, that
there were curses that had to do

1001
01:04:14,900 --> 01:04:19,100
with blood literally mentions
blood of the Canaanites and both

1002
01:04:19,100 --> 01:04:23,400
of those verses.
And, you know, like I said, I

1003
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,800
have to disagree with the claim
that all of the people, there

1004
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:33,600
were of this where racially that
they were all, you know, that

1005
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,600
the same because I'd I think
there's plenty of evidence to go

1006
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:40,300
against that and I just, you
know, I definitely think.

1007
01:04:40,300 --> 01:04:43,000
Do you think that the extra
biblical Traditions are

1008
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,700
important?
Because, you know, there is a

1009
01:04:45,700 --> 01:04:50,100
limitation to the scriptures and
young Joseph Smith found value

1010
01:04:50,100 --> 01:04:53,000
in those extra know.
If you look at saved like The

1011
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:57,300
Book of Enoch that I've been
preserved down to us, Joseph

1012
01:04:57,300 --> 01:04:58,800
Smith Book of Enoch doesn't
match.

1013
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,000
Exactly.
But there's a lot of The

1014
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,900
parallels are parallels with
other, you know, apocryphal

1015
01:05:04,900 --> 01:05:07,500
texts with what's been revealed
as though.

1016
01:05:07,500 --> 01:05:13,300
I do think that Josh, ER, which,
you know, it isn't scripture but

1017
01:05:13,300 --> 01:05:16,000
it is the Jewish commentary on
the scripture.

1018
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,700
And so it's kind of actually
commenting on, you know, the

1019
01:05:19,700 --> 01:05:22,800
story of Moses where he took an
Ethiopian wife in.

1020
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,900
This is kind of something that
was concerning to you apparently

1021
01:05:25,900 --> 01:05:28,900
Jews.
Because even Josephus, also

1022
01:05:28,900 --> 01:05:31,500
addresses that it says, it was
just a political marriage.

1023
01:05:31,500 --> 01:05:35,600
It.
And it was before he became, you

1024
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:41,600
know, called of God.
Do Dashers 73 says, Moses took

1025
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,200
the City Bites with some of the
children could place them on the

1026
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,300
throne and said kicking a king
of crush and they place the

1027
01:05:47,300 --> 01:05:50,600
Royal Crown ice and then they
gave them for wife at the

1028
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:54,000
cushite queen wife of chicken us
and Moses fear.

1029
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,100
The lord god of his fathers.
We came not to her nor did he

1030
01:05:57,100 --> 01:05:59,000
turn his eyes were for Moses.
Remember.

1031
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:03,700
Abraham, and made us.
Also, not take a woman from the

1032
01:06:03,700 --> 01:06:06,500
daughters of khaine in for my
son, Isaac also, Isaac there.

1033
01:06:06,500 --> 01:06:08,600
When Jacob is blood from his
brother when he commanded I'm

1034
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,100
saying.
So I'm not take away for the

1035
01:06:10,100 --> 01:06:13,200
daughters of khaine it, nor make
any alliance with any of the

1036
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,500
children had.
So, there's a tradition there

1037
01:06:15,500 --> 01:06:17,800
that last part nor make any
alliance with any of the

1038
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,600
children of ham, which I'm not.
I'm not sure if that's a Genesis

1039
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,600
or not, but that's matching
children.

1040
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:27,000
Have a general in a 35 Lord, Our
God gave him the son of Noah,

1041
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:28,800
and his children.
All see displayed to the

1042
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,400
children's gym and to the
children shape it then on to

1043
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,400
their seed.
After them for slaves forever.

1044
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,600
There for Moses, turns his
heart, nor as ice, the wife of

1045
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,900
all the days, you ran over to
Josh and Moses fear.

1046
01:06:39,900 --> 01:06:42,800
The lord has got all his life
and Moses walk through for the

1047
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:46,000
Lord and Truth with all his
heart and soul Eater, Not from

1048
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,100
the right way of the day of his
life.

1049
01:06:47,100 --> 01:06:49,300
May decline.
From the way either to the right

1050
01:06:49,300 --> 01:06:51,100
or to the left and which I could
grab Isaac.

1051
01:06:51,100 --> 01:06:54,600
And Jacob had walked until he
look a lot of these Jewish

1052
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:58,900
Traditions.
They match up with what the

1053
01:06:58,900 --> 01:07:00,800
early Christians in America
under.

1054
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,700
Done about, you know, reading
the Old Testament.

1055
01:07:04,700 --> 01:07:10,100
So I I do think that is not.
I think if you have overlap

1056
01:07:10,100 --> 01:07:14,600
where you have ancient
Christians and Jews and early

1057
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:18,100
Christians in America, all
reading the same versus pretty

1058
01:07:18,100 --> 01:07:20,000
much the same.
And identifying the same

1059
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,700
people's the same.
I have a hard time thinking that

1060
01:07:22,700 --> 01:07:25,200
they got it wrong.
It was just, they were still had

1061
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:29,100
some cultural baggage.
You don't think that tradition

1062
01:07:29,100 --> 01:07:32,100
about scripture gets the
distorts, the meanings of it.

1063
01:07:33,300 --> 01:07:37,400
Well, I think I've heard of the
tragic way different populations

1064
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,700
all interpreting the scripture
the same way.

1065
01:07:40,700 --> 01:07:43,200
I think there's almost kind of a
collective witness there.

1066
01:07:44,700 --> 01:07:48,100
Yeah.
Well I am again even though

1067
01:07:48,100 --> 01:07:50,900
things are sharing their you're
supposed talking about very

1068
01:07:50,900 --> 01:07:53,000
specific individuals, you're not
talking about a principal,

1069
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,700
you're talking about specific
individuals and it is very

1070
01:07:55,700 --> 01:08:01,900
specific timing content content.
Again if if I lived in that time

1071
01:08:01,900 --> 01:08:04,900
and my neighbors were the
Canaanites and they're doing

1072
01:08:04,900 --> 01:08:07,800
human sacrifice and all that
kind of crap.

1073
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:12,100
I would also be really concerned
that that my boy got marry one

1074
01:08:12,100 --> 01:08:16,100
of their girls.
And that doesn't mean anything

1075
01:08:16,100 --> 01:08:19,500
about again.
This isn't anything about a

1076
01:08:19,500 --> 01:08:23,399
priest of band.
All that identifying is that

1077
01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:27,100
their parents wanted them to
have wife's.

1078
01:08:27,100 --> 01:08:30,100
That would help them in the
system and keeping the Covenant

1079
01:08:30,100 --> 01:08:34,399
and that based off of the
cultural baggage of the

1080
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:41,700
Canaanite people around them.
They're being told not to. and

1081
01:08:41,700 --> 01:08:45,700
again, that's that's not a
principle that is as far as

1082
01:08:45,700 --> 01:08:51,700
these people are inherently bad,
that is a principle of Marion

1083
01:08:51,700 --> 01:08:53,399
the Covenant.
And there was a Christian

1084
01:08:53,399 --> 01:08:58,399
tradition, very similar to that
but it it, it gets expounded.

1085
01:08:58,399 --> 01:09:03,500
Why do you think that that is
random?

1086
01:09:03,500 --> 01:09:06,800
And I haha.
It's the other basically telling

1087
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:10,700
that anyone who intermarried
with those with, you know, and

1088
01:09:10,700 --> 01:09:13,399
couldn't prove the genealogies
of those, they intermarried with

1089
01:09:13,399 --> 01:09:17,300
Vonage Exile, that they should
not be involved with the priest

1090
01:09:17,300 --> 01:09:21,200
that even if, you know, their
fathers, you know, could prove

1091
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:22,800
their genealogy.
Why do you think that, that

1092
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,800
would affect their ability to
serve in the priesthood?

1093
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:29,300
According to azra, I think it
would have been converted to

1094
01:09:29,308 --> 01:09:33,399
converted to Jewish practices
and they're trying to serve in

1095
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:36,200
the temple and S was telling
them not to because the Jews

1096
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:43,700
received a cryptic curse, Do you
think that there are curses at

1097
01:09:43,700 --> 01:09:46,399
specific times in the history of
the world?

1098
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:50,399
Where different populations are
prohibited the priests and yeah.

1099
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:58,100
Well as a population we actually
see that with a I need to find

1100
01:09:58,100 --> 01:10:07,300
it.
I think there is one last point

1101
01:10:07,300 --> 01:10:10,500
that you did that.
You want to respond to this real

1102
01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:13,100
quick.
We got this right here.

1103
01:10:13,100 --> 01:10:14,600
Alright?
Yeah.

1104
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:18,600
Exodus 34 says in the Lord said
to Moses you the two other

1105
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,300
tables of stone like under the
first and I will write upon

1106
01:10:21,300 --> 01:10:23,100
them.
Also, the words of the lock

1107
01:10:23,100 --> 01:10:26,100
we're doing is that they were
written at the first on the

1108
01:10:26,100 --> 01:10:30,200
table, switched out brake
assist, but it shall not be

1109
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:32,400
according to the first part.
I will take away the priesthood

1110
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,300
out of their myths, there for my
holy order in the ordinances

1111
01:10:35,300 --> 01:10:38,400
thereof, shall not go before
them for my present.

1112
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,600
Shall not go up in their midst,
lest I destroy them.

1113
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:46,700
And then we have correlational
DNC, 8210.

1114
01:10:46,700 --> 01:10:49,200
They hardened their hearts and
could not endure his presence

1115
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:52,800
there for the Lord in his wrath
or his anger was kindled against

1116
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:56,300
the and swore that they should
not enter into his rest while in

1117
01:10:56,300 --> 01:10:58,700
the wilderness which rest is the
fullness of his glory.

1118
01:10:58,700 --> 01:11:01,200
Therefore, he took Moses out of
their men.

1119
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:04,500
That's in the Holy priesthood
also and the Lesser Priests of

1120
01:11:04,500 --> 01:11:06,200
continued which priest is hold
the priesthood.

1121
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,300
Hold the keys of the ministry of
angels.

1122
01:11:08,300 --> 01:11:12,100
And of the Preparatory gospel,
which gospel is the gospel of

1123
01:11:12,100 --> 01:11:15,300
repentance and a baptism in the
remission of sins in the law of

1124
01:11:15,300 --> 01:11:18,200
carnal Commandments.
Wish the Lord, and his wrath,

1125
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:21,800
cause to continue with the house
of Arryn among the children of

1126
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:25,000
Israel until John and God raised
up, being filled with the holy

1127
01:11:25,008 --> 01:11:29,400
ghost from his mother's womb.
So here we've got the Lesser

1128
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:33,900
priests did remaining and it
says here the house of Arryn but

1129
01:11:33,900 --> 01:11:36,300
we we know that it wasn't just
the house of air in it.

1130
01:11:36,300 --> 01:11:40,000
We ended up being the entire
Levi tribe that received that

1131
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:45,000
letter priesthood, not every
Israelite had But was what war

1132
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:46,300
were allowed to receive that
letter?

1133
01:11:46,300 --> 01:11:48,600
Excuse me, that lesser priests
at that time.

1134
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:52,500
It was the Levi.
True.

1135
01:11:52,500 --> 01:11:54,300
That's been generally the case
though.

1136
01:11:54,300 --> 01:11:58,800
There were circumstances where
you had under Samuel, who was

1137
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:03,100
Ephraim, who is officiating the
priest said you had a bit of

1138
01:12:03,108 --> 01:12:07,400
officiating the priesthood
installment, after episode,

1139
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:09,800
where cases.
So I agree with you in general

1140
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:13,100
where the high priesthood and
the holy ordered it for and it

1141
01:12:13,100 --> 01:12:15,700
says, were taken from Israel in
general.

1142
01:12:15,700 --> 01:12:19,900
But that in certain cases, that
they were allowed to drive.

1143
01:12:19,900 --> 01:12:22,600
So why were they being careful
about the priest it at that

1144
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,500
time, after the exit or not.
After not the exits after the

1145
01:12:25,500 --> 01:12:31,300
bondage because it was only
certain tribes that were

1146
01:12:31,300 --> 01:12:32,700
supposed to be holding that
priesthood.

1147
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:37,600
They're trying to figure that
stuff out having having lost it

1148
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:41,400
for so long, bathing lost access
to the Torah but the fascinating

1149
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:43,700
thing here.
And, and you actually even help

1150
01:12:43,700 --> 01:12:46,700
prove that point is that even
though there was a ban on the

1151
01:12:46,700 --> 01:12:52,900
priesthood, Among the Israelite
people as a whole here, we have

1152
01:12:52,900 --> 01:12:57,200
examples of an ephraimite who
has priesthood.

1153
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:00,700
Even though he's not a levite,
we've got the example of,

1154
01:13:00,700 --> 01:13:04,500
Father, Lehi, in the Book of
Mormon who we know, tell

1155
01:13:04,500 --> 01:13:08,700
priesthood, Cuz they he offer
sacrifices as soon as they get

1156
01:13:08,700 --> 01:13:12,400
out of Jerusalem.
And we also know that he also he

1157
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:17,200
was not a he was not of the the
levite origin and it really goes

1158
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:21,400
even Beyond this so the people
as a whole workers that's to

1159
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,000
that priesthood.
It's s o.

1160
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,100
N s e n c.
A t for explicitly.

1161
01:13:25,100 --> 01:13:28,800
This isn't a priesthood curse
that we are reading into

1162
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:34,000
different in a reading into at
through in an entirely different

1163
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:35,400
book.
Written to a different people

1164
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:37,700
and trying to apply to.
This is a very explicit that in

1165
01:13:37,700 --> 01:13:41,500
it even says scope and a time it
even tells us why they were

1166
01:13:41,500 --> 01:13:44,800
cursed, what exactly they did.
And yet, despite all of that,

1167
01:13:46,900 --> 01:13:50,300
Some of the absolute greatest
prophets of all time.

1168
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:57,800
Rose from that Rose from that
period of the of these rights

1169
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:01,600
being cursed, Elijah, the
prophet who held the ceiling

1170
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,900
power restored, this stuff to
Joseph Smith.

1171
01:14:03,900 --> 01:14:06,200
In the latter days, the keys of
the priesthood.

1172
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:10,000
He was an Israelite.
He was supposedly curse this to

1173
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:13,200
the priesthood.
He was an ephraimite it, right?

1174
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:17,300
Yeah.
But the NCAA Elijah are not.

1175
01:14:17,308 --> 01:14:19,100
I'm not sure he was an
Israelite.

1176
01:14:19,100 --> 01:14:21,900
He was not a Canaanite
something.

1177
01:14:21,900 --> 01:14:25,500
So I see that comparison.
You're making.

1178
01:14:25,500 --> 01:14:29,300
But I would also say that
Israelites we know from earlier,

1179
01:14:29,300 --> 01:14:32,700
on in this is still in the Old
Testament today.

1180
01:14:32,700 --> 01:14:36,100
That God saying originally, I
was going to give this to all of

1181
01:14:36,100 --> 01:14:38,200
Israel.
This the right as I was going to

1182
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:41,100
take the first born out of every
Israelite family to serve me

1183
01:14:41,100 --> 01:14:44,400
before the Altar and said, it's
only going to be that Levites.

1184
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:48,400
It's probably at least a
half-a-dozen time and we do have

1185
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,800
those exception cases, where
people were having priest it at

1186
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:56,300
different times.
But within the case of S&M and I

1187
01:14:56,300 --> 01:14:59,900
are there, talk to their concern
is about the people's, it's not

1188
01:14:59,900 --> 01:15:03,200
about Israelites, like other is
Right, lineages?

1189
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:07,900
Holding the fishing, in the
priest, who shouldn't Dealing

1190
01:15:07,900 --> 01:15:10,700
with them, he's saying that they
intermarried with the other

1191
01:15:10,700 --> 01:15:14,400
peoples around us which we were
forbidden to intermarry and they

1192
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:16,400
pollute.
It literally says they polluted

1193
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:20,900
the wholly race as what as their
rights and so, you know, it

1194
01:15:20,900 --> 01:15:26,700
wasn't just, you know, the
Levites officiating but if they

1195
01:15:26,700 --> 01:15:29,600
were concerned about the
Israelites in general, having

1196
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,000
intermixed with the other races
around them.

1197
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:37,700
So yeah, that's yeah, we can
come together and work

1198
01:15:37,700 --> 01:15:41,900
Canaanites, apparently.
Well, it was a listed off all

1199
01:15:41,900 --> 01:15:45,200
the different people where they
see, I find it interesting that

1200
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,600
these people are there
Canaanites were cursed when when

1201
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:52,800
we want them to and they're not
the Canaanites and first and not

1202
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,800
cursed.
When we don't I think that's

1203
01:15:55,800 --> 01:16:00,700
highly selective interpretation
of of the scriptures to apply

1204
01:16:00,700 --> 01:16:03,300
that kind of a standard.
But frankly, do you really

1205
01:16:03,300 --> 01:16:07,200
haven't explained, how how do we
have Elijah holding the ceiling

1206
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:08,800
power?
Not only did he receive the

1207
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:10,800
Melchizedek priesthood?
He was here, he attained up

1208
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:12,900
homeless of it and it changes,
healing power.

1209
01:16:12,900 --> 01:16:17,600
How does he attained that if
they were if you was of a raise

1210
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:22,100
that from Moses until John the
Baptist work first?

1211
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:28,100
as to receiving the fullness of
the priesthood cuz we know from

1212
01:16:28,100 --> 01:16:30,600
Joseph Smith that they were
Jacob, repeat profits at

1213
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:34,000
different times you had it
received the higher priesthood

1214
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:40,600
and it says right here in Indy
NCAA, 84 verse 27, That they

1215
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:45,400
were, they were cursed.
You had to put up with a lot of

1216
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:48,600
carnal Commandments in the
children of Israel for their

1217
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:53,300
wickedness, where are forbidden
for, you know.

1218
01:16:53,300 --> 01:16:57,000
But that God says, this wasn't
my original plan to prevent you.

1219
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:01,100
But because you think, you think
God's original plan was for all

1220
01:17:01,100 --> 01:17:08,400
of the descendants of Cain to be
to be cursed, then the book of

1221
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:12,400
Moses that it goes back to, you
know, the pre-flood.

1222
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:16,700
That was his plan.
God's plan was he wanted Kane to

1223
01:17:16,700 --> 01:17:19,400
commit the sin so we could curse
his people.

1224
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:24,000
Well it came was merely Chris
before you been killed before,

1225
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,800
he even killed slew Abel.
God told him that you are

1226
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:29,000
prediction for that was also
before the world.

1227
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:34,300
So call them prediction for
knowledge or knowledge.

1228
01:17:34,300 --> 01:17:37,100
Did Cain have agency you do?
Or do you believe came didn't

1229
01:17:37,100 --> 01:17:45,100
happen?
The opposition L things.

1230
01:17:45,100 --> 01:17:50,400
Has John Taylor, explicitly said
on his speeches about the, you

1231
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,200
know that you you need to have
the option.

1232
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:57,300
If you have a chosen what?
John Taylor's dad and you got

1233
01:17:57,300 --> 01:17:59,300
both of those preserved through
the blood as well.

1234
01:17:59,300 --> 01:18:03,600
Yeah, but we're not I'm not
talking about did the Lord want

1235
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:10,400
Kane to fail?
That is what?

1236
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,200
I don't think you wanted him to,
but he knew that too.

1237
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:19,100
But isn't this just like, is, is
it for Dane that Satan was going

1238
01:18:19,100 --> 01:18:21,300
to rebell?
And, you know, take a third of

1239
01:18:21,300 --> 01:18:22,600
the host of heaven with them,
you know?

1240
01:18:26,100 --> 01:18:30,400
So, you can't, I mention I'm
being selective with with, yo,

1241
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:33,000
can't, but the surrounding
populations.

1242
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:37,800
I do want to go there, but you
really haven't explained how

1243
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:43,100
Elijah has healing power.
When his race was cursed as to,

1244
01:18:43,100 --> 01:18:45,100
the why you said what God wanted
to give it to him?

1245
01:18:45,100 --> 01:18:46,500
Why?
I think God wanted to give the

1246
01:18:46,500 --> 01:18:48,400
priests of Ducane and to his
descendants as well?

1247
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:51,500
He wasn't allowed to.
But he wanted to, he wasn't

1248
01:18:51,500 --> 01:18:53,000
allowed to because the decisions
that were made.

1249
01:18:53,008 --> 01:18:58,100
Where does it say that God would
have given the blood of Canaan.

1250
01:18:58,100 --> 01:19:02,000
That's my question is, where is
that stated in any of the

1251
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:07,000
revelations?
Okay, we we know that the

1252
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,100
entrance, where the hell out of
Jubilee.

1253
01:19:09,100 --> 01:19:15,300
And God Doctrine?
So Adam Adam is is, is our

1254
01:19:15,300 --> 01:19:20,200
father, right?
So can't children would be his

1255
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:23,100
grandchildren.
Well, there's different

1256
01:19:23,100 --> 01:19:26,600
perspectives on Cain's lineage,
you know, you don't think they

1257
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:29,700
can come from Adam there, there
are different perspectives on

1258
01:19:29,708 --> 01:19:31,100
that.
There's different Traditions

1259
01:19:31,100 --> 01:19:33,800
have been passed down and
fundamentalism that are

1260
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:37,000
preserving ancient Jewish and
Jew and ancient Christian

1261
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:40,800
Traditions that the that chain
was not actually the son of Adam

1262
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:45,800
that that was a Corruption of
the biblical texts and not the

1263
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:47,500
opposite power came here as
well.

1264
01:19:47,500 --> 01:19:51,100
But came the Adam father, The
Chosen lineage and then the

1265
01:19:51,100 --> 01:19:55,100
opposite power was the father of
the cursed one inch.

1266
01:19:55,100 --> 01:19:57,200
And this is something that Ted
Jessup.

1267
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:00,200
And the Jessup family have
preserved as something that they

1268
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:03,500
were taught in the coming from
Bill.

1269
01:20:03,500 --> 01:20:07,600
Baird and and Joe Thompson in
the AUB in that tradition goes

1270
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:18,800
back to Joseph Musser and Lauren
boy who you know, a lot more to

1271
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:23,200
Adam God and the originals of
the world than what he Seattle

1272
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:28,600
God, doctor on April 9th 1852,
but he said that, he would be

1273
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:30,700
the least of it if I were to
tell you the whole truth.

1274
01:20:30,700 --> 01:20:35,300
So that there are, you know,
different perspectives in

1275
01:20:35,300 --> 01:20:37,500
Tradition, 7 pass down and
fundamentalism.

1276
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:46,400
Well, that's a pretty wild take.
I would say that it it kind of

1277
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:54,100
flies in the face of everything
that we have, had him scriptures

1278
01:20:54,100 --> 01:20:56,500
plus anything that the Joseph
Smith ever restored.

1279
01:20:56,500 --> 01:21:10,000
I mean, so Moses is not inspired
or how we understand Genesis and

1280
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:14,200
basically admit that that is not
a full account of or, you know,

1281
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:17,300
a fully accurate account of what
was going on at the funeral that

1282
01:21:17,300 --> 01:21:20,900
is got to say yes we do we have
for the Revelation that kind of

1283
01:21:20,900 --> 01:21:23,000
looks us to a different field of
knowledge.

1284
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:26,300
When with when Brigham Young
explains the parts of the story

1285
01:21:26,300 --> 01:21:28,200
of Adam and Eve.
Are, you know.

1286
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:31,500
I put me on a date.
He said the children stories

1287
01:21:31,500 --> 01:21:34,100
that I don't think Moses was
lying.

1288
01:21:34,100 --> 01:21:36,600
I just think that you wasn't
going to give them the full

1289
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:38,900
knowledge that they weren't
ready for.

1290
01:21:39,500 --> 01:21:43,500
So, but you don't have a quote
from a prophet actually teaching

1291
01:21:43,500 --> 01:21:50,300
us at that Cain is not the son
of this of this was not taught

1292
01:21:50,300 --> 01:21:52,200
by Joseph Smith.
This was not taught by Brigham

1293
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:53,900
Young.
This is not anywhere in

1294
01:21:53,900 --> 01:21:56,400
scripture.
There's no Revelation on it.

1295
01:21:57,300 --> 01:22:00,700
Brigham Young.
I think that this is like a

1296
01:22:00,700 --> 01:22:04,200
completely different Magic by
think their statements by Joseph

1297
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:07,300
Smith and Brigham Young, that
would hints at this.

1298
01:22:07,300 --> 01:22:09,800
These ideas.
Brigham Young talk about

1299
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:12,600
bringing.
Y'all need to bring doubles for

1300
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:14,900
our future kingdoms.
You made that number of

1301
01:22:14,900 --> 01:22:16,900
statements that we're not just
yet.

1302
01:22:16,900 --> 01:22:19,600
We need help people.
We need resurrected Devil's

1303
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:23,500
eukaryotic.
This is what Brigham Young said

1304
01:22:23,500 --> 01:22:26,000
the number of his sermons.
I'm just saying that early

1305
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:29,600
fundamentalist expounded on that
and I do believe in the

1306
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:31,400
principle of continuing
Revelation.

1307
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:35,700
I do believe that, you know,
that that you would you have any

1308
01:22:35,700 --> 01:22:38,600
regulation on this or we it's
just because it's just

1309
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,900
speculation.
That is not be speculation to

1310
01:22:41,900 --> 01:22:45,600
me, but it depends on who would
prophetic statement to accept

1311
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:49,800
his authoritative.
So if I act like I said, I have

1312
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:54,300
a contemporary statement in the
prison Diary of Arnold boss of

1313
01:22:54,300 --> 01:22:59,600
Joseph Musser teaching as
Doctrine so in any teaches that

1314
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:03,800
in the authoritative way.
So but like I said, this is a

1315
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:06,000
completely different challenge
it.

1316
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:17,300
Let's get back to hang tight.
One second.

1317
01:23:17,300 --> 01:23:21,200
Jacob cuz I have I have a couple
questions for each of you and

1318
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:24,900
then if, if you guys are both
satisfied at this point on this,

1319
01:23:24,900 --> 01:23:29,500
on this topic, we can move on.
If not, we can we can go back in

1320
01:23:29,500 --> 01:23:32,800
and kind of Read you know how
she gets out?

1321
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:35,700
Some more, whatever you guys
want but I have a couple of

1322
01:23:35,700 --> 01:23:39,800
questions.
Justin with you.

1323
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:44,900
How do you denview the quotes by
Brigham Young?

1324
01:23:44,900 --> 01:23:48,600
Cuz I want I want to make this
clear here by Brigham Young.

1325
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:54,600
And John Taylor, where, where
they identify the seeds of Cain

1326
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:59,200
is being being the the Africans.
Do you think that, that is

1327
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:03,500
something then that They carried
over from the traditions in

1328
01:24:03,500 --> 01:24:07,800
Christianity or an end?
They were mistaken that way.

1329
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:16,400
Or do you feel like That that,
that was kind of correct.

1330
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:17,600
What, what's your thoughts on
that?

1331
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:24,600
One of the things that really
bothered me in the church, back

1332
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:27,800
when I was still in the church,
was this idea of prophetic

1333
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:33,600
infallibility idea that every
word and ideas, spoken by a man

1334
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:39,100
who is a prophet is somehow all
the word of God is all true.

1335
01:24:39,100 --> 01:24:42,000
That they did, they do not make
mistakes, they cannot be wrong.

1336
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:48,200
And I was kind of surprised.
I kind of assumed that, you

1337
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:53,100
know, when I came over into
fundamentalism that I get beyond

1338
01:24:53,100 --> 01:24:56,800
that that the people would be
beyond that and I've ate, it

1339
01:24:56,800 --> 01:25:01,500
seems to be, to be honest.
It seems to be even worse, in my

1340
01:25:01,500 --> 01:25:06,900
opinion.
Moses was a man, he had

1341
01:25:06,900 --> 01:25:09,400
weaknesses, he had feelings even
screwed up.

1342
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:12,800
He even screwed up so bad that
he was forbidden to enter into

1343
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:17,100
the promised land.
I think we have these ideas of

1344
01:25:17,100 --> 01:25:20,500
these profits as he's
infallible.

1345
01:25:20,500 --> 01:25:24,800
People who were always inspired,
always speaking and teaching

1346
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:26,700
things that were absolutely
true.

1347
01:25:26,700 --> 01:25:31,100
And I, I do not, I do not have a
testimony that I don't, I think

1348
01:25:31,100 --> 01:25:32,800
that they are, man.
I think they're trying their

1349
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:34,700
best.
I think that they're inspired at

1350
01:25:34,700 --> 01:25:36,700
times.
I think that the spirit of the

1351
01:25:36,700 --> 01:25:39,900
Lord rests upon them and they
and they speak the Lord's work

1352
01:25:39,900 --> 01:25:42,800
with the times, but I don't
believe every single thing that

1353
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:48,100
they say is a d'usse at the Lord
Revelation that needs to be that

1354
01:25:48,100 --> 01:25:52,600
we need to bind ourselves to and
I mean, even Joseph Smith That

1355
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:57,100
with the situation with the,
the, the copyright of the Book

1356
01:25:57,100 --> 01:25:59,900
of Mormon, he thought he
received the revelation, 22 go

1357
01:25:59,900 --> 01:26:02,100
up in and sell the copyright of
the Book of Mormon.

1358
01:26:02,100 --> 01:26:05,200
And he came back in after that
failed, he's praying about it.

1359
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:08,500
What went wrong?
And the Lord tells him, You

1360
01:26:08,500 --> 01:26:10,600
know, you messed up.
That wasn't to me.

1361
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:16,100
And so, I think we need to be
very, very careful about putting

1362
01:26:16,100 --> 01:26:20,300
these men on a pedestal and not
testing and trying their own

1363
01:26:20,300 --> 01:26:24,800
words and so, yeah, I think
that, and I don't think anything

1364
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:26,700
wrong with that.
I don't think that in the gates

1365
01:26:26,700 --> 01:26:30,800
or makes it anyway.
They're prophetic calling any

1366
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:36,500
less to say that they grew up in
a culture with ideas and unless

1367
01:26:36,500 --> 01:26:39,500
they receive Revelation on those
ideas unless they went into the

1368
01:26:39,500 --> 01:26:42,400
Lord and pray that 22-game
further light and knowledge on

1369
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:45,200
those and then received that
Revelation that that they, they

1370
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:48,200
had incorrect ideas.
I think that even today, we've

1371
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:53,200
got incorrect ideas.
I think you're not throwing out

1372
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:55,400
everything that Brigham Young
said right then?

1373
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:58,000
No, not at all.
Not at all.

1374
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:01,100
But I mean, specifically, even
in this one twin Brigham Young

1375
01:27:01,100 --> 01:27:05,900
first brought forth the idea of
the first preached A sermon on

1376
01:27:05,900 --> 01:27:11,500
the priesthood ban.
So I got it right here if it's

1377
01:27:11,500 --> 01:27:13,800
actually faster because he is in
phatic.

1378
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:21,000
We Are Young.
Wait.

1379
01:27:22,700 --> 01:27:28,700
Oh no, that's not sorry.
Wrong spot.

1380
01:27:29,900 --> 01:27:31,700
So what what do you think of
Brigham?

1381
01:27:31,700 --> 01:27:35,400
Young says it.
And so he says, I will say it.

1382
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:38,300
Now, in the name of Jesus
Christ, I know it is true and

1383
01:27:38,300 --> 01:27:44,900
other stuff Christ.
I understand that profits can

1384
01:27:44,900 --> 01:27:48,500
get things wrong.
Like, you know, obviously we

1385
01:27:48,500 --> 01:27:53,000
should blindly follow every word
that a prophet says, but doesn't

1386
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:55,400
that make him a be a false
prophet?

1387
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:58,100
If he's announcing this doctor,
in the name of Jesus Christ.

1388
01:27:58,100 --> 01:28:01,500
It's a false Doctrine, not as
he's not speaking to her.

1389
01:28:01,508 --> 01:28:03,800
Who is Joseph Smith?
A false prophet because of the

1390
01:28:03,808 --> 01:28:07,200
Revelation, he received to sell
the Book of Mormons copyright in

1391
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:10,500
Canada.
Will he eat quickly caught

1392
01:28:10,500 --> 01:28:12,200
himself right and bring him down
with a life.

1393
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:16,000
I thought of false Doctrine, the
people with would catch me in it

1394
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:18,400
and correct me.
Where would they be?

1395
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:21,000
Joseph Smith and Brigham Young
actually expressed extreme

1396
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:24,600
concern that the people were
following them blindly and would

1397
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:26,800
because I mean Joseph Smith
described.

1398
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,900
It says that he's afraid that
they were lying upon a prophet

1399
01:28:29,900 --> 01:28:31,300
in their minds that will become
dark.

1400
01:28:31,300 --> 01:28:34,100
And if they do that, Brigham,
Young was emphatic, that he's

1401
01:28:34,100 --> 01:28:35,200
afraid.
The people are going to just

1402
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:38,100
trust in one man and you lied
straight to Hell over it.

1403
01:28:38,100 --> 01:28:43,000
And I think that possibly, maybe
we weren't LED straight to hell,

1404
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:47,400
but we certainly introduce some
hellish doctor and as far as him

1405
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:50,200
saying, in the name of Jesus
Christ, I believe that to be his

1406
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:54,100
testimony is not saved us.
Stay at the Lord, under my

1407
01:28:54,100 --> 01:28:57,600
church and spoke speak.
In the name of the Lord, he said

1408
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:01,100
that as his testimony and that's
basically what he said.

1409
01:29:01,100 --> 01:29:04,900
The first time he says, if there
was never a prophet or Apostle

1410
01:29:04,900 --> 01:29:09,400
of Jesus Christ, make it before
you, I tell you that, that Just

1411
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:12,100
people that are commonly called
Negroes, are the children of old

1412
01:29:12,100 --> 01:29:13,200
Kane.
I know they are.

1413
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:16,900
I know that they cannot bear
rule in the priesthood for the

1414
01:29:16,900 --> 01:29:20,100
curse on them was to remain on
them until the residue of the

1415
01:29:20,100 --> 01:29:22,800
posterity of Michael and his
wife receive the blessings.

1416
01:29:23,700 --> 01:29:26,500
I mean, this is his very clear
here.

1417
01:29:26,500 --> 01:29:28,500
He's not attributing this
evening to Joseph Smith.

1418
01:29:28,500 --> 01:29:30,800
He's not attributing it to where
he's saying.

1419
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:35,000
He's he's taking credit for it.
He's in phatic.

1420
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:39,900
Lee taking credit for it.
And he's using very impassioned

1421
01:29:39,900 --> 01:29:43,600
language.
That doesn't mean that it's,

1422
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:45,100
that doesn't mean it's of the
Lord.

1423
01:29:45,100 --> 01:29:50,000
So I just want to make sure sure
we cover this point.

1424
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,600
So I it would be a problem for
me.

1425
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:55,400
If it was this way, you're not
throwing everything.

1426
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:57,500
Brigham Young said out the
window right or wrong.

1427
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:00,600
That is not about throwing
everything between you and set

1428
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:05,300
out the window, okay?
Just just for the purposes of

1429
01:30:05,300 --> 01:30:08,000
this conversation and debate.
Justice subject.

1430
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:11,400
Is that right?
I think that he's himself is

1431
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:15,000
taking ownership of K.
All right.

1432
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:24,900
Jacob, I got one for you here in
this comes out of Exodus 12:38.

1433
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:31,000
And in this time and and I kind
of did a little bit of research

1434
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:34,700
on the Fly here on this to to
make sure that I was

1435
01:30:34,700 --> 01:30:39,300
understanding.
The scripture hear correctly in

1436
01:30:39,300 --> 01:30:42,500
38.
This is when Israel's heading

1437
01:30:42,500 --> 01:30:48,800
out of Egypt and it says
starting in 37, in the children

1438
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:56,300
of Israel Journey from rameses
to sekoff and about 600,000 on

1439
01:30:56,300 --> 01:30:59,900
foot.
There were men beside children

1440
01:30:59,900 --> 01:31:05,300
and a mixed multitude, went up
with them and and their flocks

1441
01:31:05,300 --> 01:31:11,100
and herds even much cattle.
That makes multitude went that

1442
01:31:11,100 --> 01:31:14,200
include probably some Africans
as well.

1443
01:31:15,700 --> 01:31:24,800
Given that time.
That's an interesting question.

1444
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:28,000
Verse.
Come up in these debates before

1445
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:30,600
or these discussions about the
priest the band before.

1446
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:34,800
I can't take full credit for
that one Joshua, Eric's and

1447
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:36,600
pointed that out on another
podcast.

1448
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:48,300
But they did was allow place
with the Israelites even though

1449
01:31:48,300 --> 01:31:50,100
the rest of your city was being
destroyed.

1450
01:31:50,100 --> 01:31:52,900
So I do think that there were
times that they did allow other

1451
01:31:52,900 --> 01:31:57,500
races to be present.
Hey, you look at in the story of

1452
01:31:57,500 --> 01:32:03,800
David and Bathsheba does sheba's
husband wasn't racially or

1453
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:08,200
ethnically an Israelite, right?
It, it it lists his ethnicity,

1454
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:09,600
right?
I'm trying to remember what it

1455
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:13,800
was your ride.
Yeah.

1456
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:18,000
So it's clear that there were
people that were permitted to be

1457
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:22,800
among them a different name.
So, the differing degrees and

1458
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:25,600
then just a follow-up to that.
How would you explain the

1459
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:31,600
Ethiopian Jews then as well.
Do I would explain that to my

1460
01:32:31,608 --> 01:32:35,800
Brigham Young explain that in
his sermon, on the winning out

1461
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:38,100
of the priest of that.
He says, that there are Jews

1462
01:32:38,100 --> 01:32:41,200
that have intermixed with every
population of people on the

1463
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:43,000
Earth and bring them the other
day.

1464
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:47,000
That's why that you lost the
priesthood was through

1465
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:50,000
transgressing.
The Commandment not to enter mix

1466
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:52,800
and you know, by information
with all these different

1467
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:54,400
populations.
Okay.

1468
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:58,600
And then just for clarification.
So so we kind of know on what

1469
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:02,300
basis are you.
Do you follow the one drop rule

1470
01:33:02,300 --> 01:33:06,600
that?
So I personally so that I

1471
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:10,300
believe there's a compelling
case that Wilford Woodruff Miss

1472
01:33:10,300 --> 01:33:13,300
quoted.
Brigham Young and the February

1473
01:33:13,300 --> 01:33:17,000
5th 1852 speech on the
priesthood bad and if they not

1474
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,700
because the original, if you
look at the Pitman shorthand, it

1475
01:33:19,700 --> 01:33:24,300
says the Negro can't hold one
drop of priesthood and Woodruff

1476
01:33:24,300 --> 01:33:28,200
and said such a person with one
drop of the blood can count.

1477
01:33:29,500 --> 01:33:33,800
You see how Woodruff could have
got the words jumbled up and I

1478
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:37,700
think there's evidence and
Brigham Young's lifetime where

1479
01:33:37,700 --> 01:33:42,600
Brigham Young didn't hold them.
Extracting a policy that Brigham

1480
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:47,000
Young in December of 1847 said
that in certain cases, the

1481
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:52,200
individuals of mixed ancestry to
be nearly said, they might have

1482
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:56,500
placed in the temple is my side
when that case, when the case of

1483
01:33:56,500 --> 01:34:02,200
Enoch Enoch Louis came up by
William Appleby, but I do think

1484
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:05,200
so.
Since I don't believe I don't

1485
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:08,800
personally believe in the one
drop rule I think it leads to

1486
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:15,400
some silly kind of it can lead
to some silly stuff.

1487
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:17,500
We are putting their faith into
you.

1488
01:34:17,500 --> 01:34:25,100
I was going to say Revelation by
23andMe, 23andMe over or whether

1489
01:34:25,100 --> 01:34:26,600
you should hold the priesthood
or not.

1490
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:33,100
So I personally I think Young
held more of a Joseph F Smith

1491
01:34:33,100 --> 01:34:37,100
position on the priesthood
restriction.

1492
01:34:37,100 --> 01:34:40,400
I'm just pulling up.
Quote, real quick.

1493
01:34:44,300 --> 01:34:46,700
Do it.
It's in the count minutes of the

1494
01:34:46,700 --> 01:34:50,400
meetings of the Quorum of The
Twelve January 2nd 1902.

1495
01:34:50,700 --> 01:34:56,300
He said he said while the
children while the children are

1496
01:34:56,300 --> 01:34:59,000
the man in whose veins made
this, a single drop of negro

1497
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:02,600
blood might be entirely by one
of his descendants, might turn

1498
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:05,800
out to be a pronounce negro.
And the question and present

1499
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:09,100
Miss mine was where should we
get wide enough to determine

1500
01:35:09,100 --> 01:35:11,900
each case on its own merits?
He gave his opinion.

1501
01:35:11,900 --> 01:35:14,100
But in all cases, where the
blood of can shut itself.

1502
01:35:14,100 --> 01:35:17,000
However, slight the line should
be drawn there but where the

1503
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:20,000
children of Tainted parents were
found to be Purity for my they

1504
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:21,700
might be admitted into the
temple.

1505
01:35:21,700 --> 01:35:24,400
I think that's very similar to
what Brigham Young's position

1506
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:29,500
was and you cuz I think moroni's
Jessup is mentioned this

1507
01:35:29,500 --> 01:35:35,100
recently that the all-red family
one of the ancestors not to not

1508
01:35:35,100 --> 01:35:36,600
a direct descendant of ruling.
All right.

1509
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:39,500
But one of the early Pioneer
already.

1510
01:35:39,500 --> 01:35:42,400
The woman who was the first
person once the first to design

1511
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:45,700
the temple garment actually was
Apartment lotto.

1512
01:35:45,700 --> 01:35:51,300
And I do think that when you
look at all the men who were

1513
01:35:51,300 --> 01:35:53,900
ordained to the priesthood and
Joseph Smith's lifetime.

1514
01:35:53,900 --> 01:35:57,400
It wasn't any of the full
blooded Africans?

1515
01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:00,900
They all were mixed ancestry.
Elijah table was an octoroon.

1516
01:36:00,900 --> 01:36:05,500
Joseph Chi balls sisters were
all white and he was only

1517
01:36:05,500 --> 01:36:08,300
partially black.
And you see that with and every

1518
01:36:08,300 --> 01:36:12,400
single case of men who are
ordained, I do and, and, and

1519
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:15,800
John Taylor, kind of had the
opinion that those men were

1520
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:19,000
ordained before, the word of the
Lord was fully understood.

1521
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:25,000
So don't feel the same way you
did not realize this, but John

1522
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:28,100
Taylor actually was at a more
strict interpretation of the

1523
01:36:28,108 --> 01:36:31,100
priest, the band then, bring him
young, did Brigham Young.

1524
01:36:31,100 --> 01:36:35,100
It seems certain people slide
who were only partially African

1525
01:36:35,100 --> 01:36:38,500
ancestry while.
John Taylor there has been, if

1526
01:36:38,500 --> 01:36:42,500
you read about the case of Laura
Berry, she's a woman who's less

1527
01:36:42,500 --> 01:36:49,500
than 1/8 black and she Is what
she's a white woman with less

1528
01:36:49,500 --> 01:36:53,400
than 1/8 black ancestry.
And the Salt Lake City.

1529
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:58,700
State president is bringing her
case up to John Taylor because

1530
01:36:58,700 --> 01:37:04,000
we know that her grandparent was
considered to be black and and

1531
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:06,000
so he brought it up to John
Taylor it.

1532
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:09,500
So you can we allow an exception
in your case because she is

1533
01:37:09,500 --> 01:37:12,600
absolutely by all outward
appearance completely white.

1534
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:18,400
We just know she has 11 ancestor
and John Taylor apparently

1535
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:21,600
didn't accept the request denied
it.

1536
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:24,200
And I, I personally in this is
where it comes down to it, you

1537
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:27,600
know, prophetic infallibility.
I think John Taylor, what's

1538
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:31,500
inside of an opposite extreme.
I take more of the Joseph F,

1539
01:37:31,500 --> 01:37:35,300
Smith Brigham Young position.
That was not a one drop rule.

1540
01:37:35,300 --> 01:37:37,700
So how about the Joseph Smith
position?

1541
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:42,900
I want to get into this kind of
a good place to segue into

1542
01:37:42,900 --> 01:37:47,400
whether Joseph Smith priesthood,
restrictions or not.

1543
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:50,200
I'm good with that.
If you are just in unless we

1544
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:51,900
need to go back and rehash
anything else.

1545
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:59,300
I still would like to see some
concession that the priesthood

1546
01:37:59,300 --> 01:38:04,300
curse on the Israelites was not
a an absolute strict curse but

1547
01:38:04,300 --> 01:38:10,300
just a general condition of the
times because we have the, the

1548
01:38:10,300 --> 01:38:15,700
prophets, all the pretty much
all of the prophets of the Old

1549
01:38:15,700 --> 01:38:17,500
Testament.
Help know if the priests and

1550
01:38:17,500 --> 01:38:22,700
contrary to pee supposed ban,
which would indicate that a band

1551
01:38:22,700 --> 01:38:25,600
was not a again.
Not a principle isn't there's

1552
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:32,900
nothing here that somebody
Incapable of holding the

1553
01:38:32,900 --> 01:38:37,900
priesthood because of these
curses there just in general the

1554
01:38:37,900 --> 01:38:39,600
concept of a curse as a
consequence.

1555
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:44,500
Not as God's punishment.
There are obviously different

1556
01:38:44,500 --> 01:38:48,300
curses that have different
limitations and I do think if

1557
01:38:48,300 --> 01:38:51,500
you look in the Book of Mormon
there there's a curse on the

1558
01:38:51,500 --> 01:38:54,300
lamanites and there's nothing in
the book invention about them

1559
01:38:54,300 --> 01:39:05,500
being related to the priesthood.
It's just that my position is

1560
01:39:05,500 --> 01:39:07,700
there.
Different degrees of curses that

1561
01:39:07,708 --> 01:39:11,400
can get people that are cursed.
And it doesn't my god with the

1562
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:14,400
darker-skinned who are banned
from the priesthood.

1563
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:16,200
But all in the case of the lane,
right?

1564
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:20,100
You have the Canaanites in the
Old Testament where I don't see

1565
01:39:20,100 --> 01:39:23,300
any Explorer, God's making any
exceptions for them in my

1566
01:39:23,300 --> 01:39:27,500
personal, the way I personally
see the scriptures and now

1567
01:39:27,500 --> 01:39:31,700
they're laid out.
I don't see any curse there

1568
01:39:31,700 --> 01:39:36,800
myself, but We can go back and
forth on Abraham chapter 1, all

1569
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:40,700
night I think but I do see the
Israelites I already conceded

1570
01:39:40,700 --> 01:39:42,900
that I do think there was a
curse on the Israelites by.

1571
01:39:42,907 --> 01:39:47,000
Don't think it was an eternal
curse because we know that God

1572
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:50,000
said originally I was going to
give you guys the priest good

1573
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:54,900
and we do know that there are
exceptions that God the God's

1574
01:39:54,900 --> 01:39:57,300
sanction throughout to the Old
Testament.

1575
01:39:57,300 --> 01:40:00,400
Where we have different
individuals like Elijah who

1576
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:04,000
helped priesthood and the
Melchizedek priesthood was

1577
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:08,000
preserved to certain degrees in
among Israel, even though

1578
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:13,300
generally GMC, at4 Taza in
general, the Israelites who had

1579
01:40:13,300 --> 01:40:18,700
it taken away from them.
So, I think that's actually a

1580
01:40:18,700 --> 01:40:20,100
really important example,
though.

1581
01:40:20,100 --> 01:40:23,000
So Laman and Lemuel Brookhurst,
right?

1582
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:26,600
They ended up with darker skin,
and there were some consequences

1583
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:28,500
from that, right?
I think we can agree.

1584
01:40:28,500 --> 01:40:30,900
Maybe they weren't Dan from the
priesthood.

1585
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:34,500
But there it was a curse and
there were consequences, right?

1586
01:40:36,300 --> 01:40:39,700
Yeah, but I do.
I do agree with you on Abraham.

1587
01:40:39,700 --> 01:40:44,900
I understand your position.
Abraham 1:21 through 2027, where

1588
01:40:44,900 --> 01:40:48,000
you see it as two separate
things, the blood of the

1589
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:50,500
Canaanites and the right of the
priesthood as being separate.

1590
01:40:50,500 --> 01:40:52,200
I personally don't see it that
way.

1591
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:55,800
I personally see it as a
continuous commentary, that all

1592
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:59,700
those verses are related and
talking about the curse that's

1593
01:40:59,700 --> 01:41:04,300
on that creep down the
Canaanites in the descendants of

1594
01:41:04,300 --> 01:41:13,500
ham is laid out in the Dark
Crystal that they won't be

1595
01:41:13,500 --> 01:41:15,500
enticing to the Nephites
intermarry.

1596
01:41:15,500 --> 01:41:19,700
But what's interesting?
And this is proof that God, you

1597
01:41:19,700 --> 01:41:28,800
know, can't give you no just
like four times that times were

1598
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:30,700
God, did give them the high
priests that even though

1599
01:41:30,700 --> 01:41:34,500
generally it wasn't permitted
that you do have Joseph Smith

1600
01:41:34,500 --> 01:41:36,300
received a revelation, July
18th.

1601
01:41:36,300 --> 01:41:40,100
Everyone saying that it was good
to intermarry with the lamanites

1602
01:41:40,100 --> 01:41:42,400
so that they can become white
and delightsome.

1603
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:46,400
So that was the word of the Lord
through the Prophet.

1604
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:50,300
Joseph Smith, basically saying
that, you know, that curse that

1605
01:41:50,300 --> 01:41:54,700
was on them can be lifted them
up due to them being more

1606
01:41:54,700 --> 01:41:59,800
righteous than the Gentiles.
So, Yeah, I think we can beat, I

1607
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:02,100
think we I think we could go
back and forth on this all

1608
01:42:02,100 --> 01:42:05,700
night.
The Book of Mormon, explain to

1609
01:42:05,708 --> 01:42:07,500
curse that looks from all
appearances.

1610
01:42:07,500 --> 01:42:10,300
Very, very similar to other
courses, it doesn't mention

1611
01:42:10,300 --> 01:42:12,100
priesthood and yet neither does
it.

1612
01:42:12,100 --> 01:42:14,500
The other cursings?
The only thing mentioning

1613
01:42:14,500 --> 01:42:17,400
priesthood is an Abraham and
then it's not that is not with a

1614
01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:20,500
curse, a curse.
The curse on the Canaanites

1615
01:42:20,500 --> 01:42:23,700
happened in Moses six.
It happens in on Kane and

1616
01:42:23,700 --> 01:42:29,700
Genesis and it happens on on
Kanan in Moses 9.

1617
01:42:29,700 --> 01:42:33,400
If none of those places were
talks about a person to say

1618
01:42:33,400 --> 01:42:35,100
anything about priests of being
forbidden.

1619
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:42,500
That's not fair.
It's not their well but the

1620
01:42:42,500 --> 01:42:45,800
lightest it into it and read
into it, but it's not there.

1621
01:42:45,800 --> 01:42:47,400
And that's my point, it's not
there.

1622
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:49,900
And you know where else?
It's not it's not unlimited

1623
01:42:49,900 --> 01:42:55,900
Lemuel.
Mormon, if you go to Alma 13, it

1624
01:42:55,900 --> 01:42:59,200
does talk about the right of the
priests and having to do with

1625
01:42:59,200 --> 01:43:02,500
Ford Nation and that certain
people are foreordained to have

1626
01:43:02,500 --> 01:43:04,200
the right of the priesthood.
And certain people are

1627
01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:09,100
forwarding to not have the right
of the priesthood in Alma 13

1628
01:43:09,100 --> 01:43:15,400
verses 3 through 5 and works.
Everywhere, it mentions in the

1629
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:19,600
first place it's talking first
place is to be understood

1630
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:22,900
clearly referencing first to
stay everywhere.

1631
01:43:22,900 --> 01:43:25,800
It says first place.
And this is after which narrowed

1632
01:43:25,800 --> 01:43:28,000
and being called a prepared for
the foundation of the world

1633
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:31,000
world, according to the
foreknowledge of God, I counted,

1634
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:34,800
their seeding, faith and good
works in the first place being

1635
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:37,500
left to choose, good or evil.
Therefore, they having Chosen,

1636
01:43:37,500 --> 01:43:41,500
good and exercising exceedingly.
Great faith are called with a

1637
01:43:41,508 --> 01:43:44,700
holy calling ye with that Holy
calling, which was prepared with

1638
01:43:44,700 --> 01:43:47,300
the according to a preparatory
Redemption for such.

1639
01:43:47,300 --> 01:43:50,600
And the US, they haven't been
called up this way, calling on

1640
01:43:50,608 --> 01:43:53,100
account of their face, While
others would reject, the spirit

1641
01:43:53,100 --> 01:43:55,800
of God, on account of the
hardness of their heart and the

1642
01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:59,200
blindness of their mind.
If it had not been for this,

1643
01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:04,100
they might have had as great
privilege as their Brethren will

1644
01:44:04,100 --> 01:44:08,000
talk about certain people who
rejected the spirit of God and

1645
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:10,300
in the previous stints on the,
because the hardness of the

1646
01:44:10,300 --> 01:44:13,300
heart than let us in their mind.
And if it had not been for that,

1647
01:44:13,300 --> 01:44:18,200
I have had this great privileges
of their Brethren S5 or confine

1648
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:20,600
in the first place.
They were on the same standing

1649
01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:23,100
with their Brethren.
That's this voice, calling be

1650
01:44:23,100 --> 01:44:25,400
prepared from the foundation of
the world for such as without

1651
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:26,600
hurting their hearts being in
it.

1652
01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:29,400
Through the atonement of the
only begotten son who was

1653
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:34,600
prepared and so I do see I'm a
13 there is going into pre stood

1654
01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:38,600
for nation and resistance was
also talk Certain people are

1655
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:41,200
forbidden the priesthood because
of their actions.

1656
01:44:41,200 --> 01:44:44,100
While others are forwarding to
hold the priesthood because of

1657
01:44:44,100 --> 01:44:48,800
their actions, in the
pre-existence, Yes, man, I don't

1658
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:51,300
come disagree with that.
It's according to the

1659
01:44:51,300 --> 01:44:56,100
foreknowledge of God, that it
says that we were called to the.

1660
01:44:56,100 --> 01:44:58,000
That all the prophets were
called to their callings as

1661
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:03,300
well, that the foreknowledge of
God I'm not disputing that what

1662
01:45:03,300 --> 01:45:07,000
I'm saying is Laman and Lemuel
were cursed, they were cursed

1663
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:14,900
with dark skin, they were
separated from the Nephites And

1664
01:45:14,900 --> 01:45:17,100
I'm saying that when you look,
you're trying to say but we

1665
01:45:17,100 --> 01:45:19,700
don't see priest and mentioned
in this purse, this purse or

1666
01:45:19,700 --> 01:45:26,600
this cursed, what we do, but you
do see it and you know, Abraham

1667
01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:30,200
one that what we're giving in
Genesis chapter, 9 isn't a

1668
01:45:30,208 --> 01:45:33,000
complete account of that.
And according to Brigham Young,

1669
01:45:33,008 --> 01:45:37,800
what we have in an earlier,
DiNapoli Genesis 4 with chain

1670
01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:41,200
and that is a complete account
either, they're going to bring

1671
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:47,200
them young.
So Okay, well but I want to go

1672
01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:50,600
back to Lane and let me know
because their posterity they are

1673
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:54,500
told that they are cursed but
Lehi blesses them and tells them

1674
01:45:54,508 --> 01:45:56,900
that if it were not for the
concert if it were not the

1675
01:45:56,900 --> 01:46:00,600
consequences of their fathers
sins that they would be just as

1676
01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:02,300
right just as righteous as their
brethren.

1677
01:46:03,300 --> 01:46:08,300
And he basically puts that upon
Lehigh's, head the consequences

1678
01:46:08,300 --> 01:46:11,900
of that curse.
And Among the Nephites at

1679
01:46:11,900 --> 01:46:15,200
various times, including will
first, you got that right there,

1680
01:46:15,200 --> 01:46:18,000
you got Lehigh, who's
desperately concerned for the

1681
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:22,100
posterity of Laman and Lemuel
who work, because of that curse.

1682
01:46:22,100 --> 01:46:25,600
You got Nephi.
You got Jacob that tries to

1683
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:28,800
minister unto them and
throughout all of the entire

1684
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:35,700
nephite history we have.
The Nephites and lamanites for

1685
01:46:35,700 --> 01:46:37,900
the most part for the most part
separate.

1686
01:46:37,900 --> 01:46:41,300
And we are to understand that
they are cursed and yet, none,

1687
01:46:41,300 --> 01:46:45,100
the less than any fights labored
to teach the to teach the way my

1688
01:46:45,100 --> 01:46:49,700
10 to bring them back in to
ultimately their society

1689
01:46:49,700 --> 01:46:55,700
accumulating with the situation
where you had Alma and the sons

1690
01:46:55,700 --> 01:47:00,200
of King Noah who were converted
under the Lord, who they were

1691
01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:04,600
not ordered by their father to
go in and serve a mission.

1692
01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:07,800
Among the the lamanites they
went of her own accord because

1693
01:47:07,800 --> 01:47:11,400
of the conversion in the, in the
blessings of the Gospel that

1694
01:47:11,400 --> 01:47:13,400
they had received as
individuals, and they went to

1695
01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:15,200
the lamanites even though they
were cursed.

1696
01:47:16,900 --> 01:47:18,600
And they taught them as
possible.

1697
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:22,700
And converted a good half of
those of the population and

1698
01:47:22,700 --> 01:47:23,800
brought them back Among the
Nephites.

1699
01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:28,400
And it says, they were not where
they were, basically no longer

1700
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:32,200
cursed.
We have the same complete

1701
01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:35,400
reconciliation happening.
In Christ time, when Christ

1702
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:37,800
visits any fight people.
So late nights, and then the

1703
01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:40,500
Nephites were all brought
brought back the survivors.

1704
01:47:40,500 --> 01:47:41,700
At least have the the
tribulation.

1705
01:47:41,700 --> 01:47:46,100
They're all brought back
together as one people and

1706
01:47:47,100 --> 01:47:49,700
Eventually over time they ended
up separating again.

1707
01:47:50,900 --> 01:47:53,900
So there is a curse but there's
no prohibition.

1708
01:47:53,900 --> 01:47:59,900
There is nothing forbidden that
they are not allowed to preach

1709
01:47:59,900 --> 01:48:04,400
and share the gospel, lent.
It to provide those blessings to

1710
01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:07,300
the people in the act of their
own accord and go forth and do

1711
01:48:07,300 --> 01:48:09,000
that.
And I think that's an example of

1712
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:13,900
them to us as to what really we
ought to be doing with the

1713
01:48:13,900 --> 01:48:16,400
people that are that have been
cursed.

1714
01:48:17,300 --> 01:48:28,900
And so anyway, is is given to
everyone and he would say that

1715
01:48:28,900 --> 01:48:34,600
the gospel is, and he said that,
you know, she'll dry cleaning

1716
01:48:34,600 --> 01:48:36,800
out.
The priest said that you said

1717
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:39,500
that they can receive baptism of
the Holy Ghost.

1718
01:48:39,500 --> 01:48:43,600
They can receive those the
introductory ordinances of the

1719
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:55,500
Gospel.
He also said, 1861 East Side in

1720
01:48:55,500 --> 01:48:58,200
the evening, presently discuss
with his brother, has the

1721
01:48:58,200 --> 01:49:00,900
character of a few partly
colored brother in the present

1722
01:49:00,900 --> 01:49:03,300
remark, that there are men who
have the dark skin of pain

1723
01:49:03,300 --> 01:49:05,100
parsley.
So you may have a blood of a

1724
01:49:05,100 --> 01:49:07,400
random enough to control
themselves in righteousness and

1725
01:49:07,400 --> 01:49:09,100
fulfill the requirements of the
gospels.

1726
01:49:09,100 --> 01:49:12,000
Well, as many other wipe, some
of these partly dark brother and

1727
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:15,000
maybe shipless, but there are
many whites were also ship was

1728
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:17,200
the President also spoke
favorably of Isaac.

1729
01:49:17,200 --> 01:49:19,100
Colored man would work for him
for many years.

1730
01:49:19,100 --> 01:49:22,000
He also remarked that he would
confer any blessing to him.

1731
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:25,100
He could be leading him to
deserve it, but it showed that

1732
01:49:25,100 --> 01:49:30,000
he believed that they could have
the benefits statement to make

1733
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:32,100
that clear.
You just didn't think they told

1734
01:49:32,100 --> 01:49:42,400
the priest it or the ordinances
of the temple temple.

1735
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:43,500
Ordinances.
Sure.

1736
01:49:43,500 --> 01:49:46,100
Have you have you have you
received the time coordinates

1737
01:49:46,100 --> 01:49:52,600
has personally have they have
those things to you?

1738
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:53,900
Have they been a blessing in
your life?

1739
01:49:53,900 --> 01:49:59,400
I mean for me I would dare say
that those blessings have been

1740
01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:04,500
vital.
It to my progression and Defy is

1741
01:50:04,500 --> 01:50:07,000
is very clear to in the Book of
Mormon, when he says that

1742
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:10,900
baptism is the way, it's the
gate, you know, Faith repentance

1743
01:50:10,900 --> 01:50:13,200
baptism.
But what do you do next?

1744
01:50:13,200 --> 01:50:16,800
Are you done?
And it has no after that, you

1745
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:19,400
got to fall that Holy Spirit and
it will guide you.

1746
01:50:19,400 --> 01:50:24,600
And he basically says until you
entering the rest of the Lord,

1747
01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:29,400
that's that's the process. and
that process as Joseph Smith

1748
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:34,200
revealed to us requires further
further ordinances, Yeah, but

1749
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:37,400
your Joseph Smith, that think
that everyone would receive the

1750
01:50:37,400 --> 01:50:42,200
higher word that says Joseph
Smith on June 11th, 1843 cents

1751
01:50:42,200 --> 01:50:45,400
in the resurrection summer race
to be Angels.

1752
01:50:45,400 --> 01:50:49,200
Others are based to become Gods.
These things are available most.

1753
01:50:49,200 --> 01:50:51,400
Holy place in the temple.
Prepared for that purpose.

1754
01:50:57,700 --> 01:51:01,400
He doesn't mention in any of
those statements, you was just

1755
01:51:01,400 --> 01:51:03,600
talking generally, obviously,
right?

1756
01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:10,200
Obviously not going to be in
that group gay songs.

1757
01:51:10,200 --> 01:51:16,500
Like they're honest alive.
Since I just kind of got brought

1758
01:51:16,500 --> 01:51:24,900
up again to go first on this to
argue against it or sure.

1759
01:51:24,900 --> 01:51:27,200
Absolutely.
If you want to go first on the

1760
01:51:27,200 --> 01:51:32,100
historic city of the band in
your perspective and the history

1761
01:51:32,100 --> 01:51:37,800
of the church volume four, 2:00,
whatever.

1762
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:43,100
Onyx hot verse 2213.
It's reported the first

1763
01:51:43,100 --> 01:51:45,900
presidency given at conference
in 1840.

1764
01:51:47,200 --> 01:51:50,000
If the work rules for us with
the same rapidity, that is

1765
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:53,300
hither, Heather for done.
We may soon expect to see

1766
01:51:53,300 --> 01:51:56,800
flocking to this place.
People from every land in from

1767
01:51:56,800 --> 01:51:59,500
every nation.
The polished European, the

1768
01:51:59,500 --> 01:52:03,800
degraded Hottentot and the
Shivering laplander persons of

1769
01:52:03,800 --> 01:52:07,400
all languages and of every
tongue and of every color.

1770
01:52:08,500 --> 01:52:12,600
Who shot with us Worship, the
Lord of hosts, and His holy

1771
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:15,300
Temple, and offer up there or
Sands in his sanctuary.

1772
01:52:17,900 --> 01:52:23,400
And this was again 1840, this is
well, after Joseph Smith had

1773
01:52:23,400 --> 01:52:27,300
translated from Abraham.
And Moses.

1774
01:52:27,300 --> 01:52:32,400
And this is as they are
preparing to complete the Nauvoo

1775
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:36,700
Temple.
Where does basically declares

1776
01:52:36,700 --> 01:52:39,700
that the purpose of this Temple
is to bring all people together

1777
01:52:39,700 --> 01:52:45,100
to Worship in the temple in the
sanctuary to offer up there, or

1778
01:52:45,100 --> 01:52:48,900
a sense, which we can clearly
understand in the context of of,

1779
01:52:48,900 --> 01:52:51,700
of prayers in a temple to be,
you know, it's a bit spur

1780
01:52:51,700 --> 01:52:53,200
Circle.
That's what, that's how we were

1781
01:52:53,200 --> 01:53:01,900
taught to pray in the sanctuary.
It in history words have that

1782
01:53:01,900 --> 01:53:06,500
have significance, right?
What what were some of those

1783
01:53:06,500 --> 01:53:09,700
groups he was talking about
their reread those again?

1784
01:53:10,700 --> 01:53:15,300
Yeah, well the polished
European, that's easy.

1785
01:53:15,300 --> 01:53:18,700
Yep, the degraded Hottentot,
what is that?

1786
01:53:18,700 --> 01:53:23,800
Do we know other Africans?
It's a it's a derogatory term

1787
01:53:23,800 --> 01:53:28,900
for people like African Negroes.
Okay.

1788
01:53:31,100 --> 01:53:36,400
And and but it also says also
clearly that that for persons of

1789
01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:38,800
all languages of every tongue
not sometime.

1790
01:53:38,800 --> 01:53:41,800
I was every tongue and of every
color not some color but every

1791
01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:45,100
color division the Joseph Smith.
How did the purpose of this

1792
01:53:45,100 --> 01:53:48,700
Temple was to bring all of God's
children back together again?

1793
01:53:48,700 --> 01:53:54,100
I reuniting a reunification and
frankly, that's the same vision

1794
01:53:54,100 --> 01:53:57,500
that I have always had of the
gospel and the establishment of

1795
01:53:57,500 --> 01:54:00,400
Zion is that the whole point of
this is to bring everybody

1796
01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:06,600
together and for us to be able
to rise as high as we're going

1797
01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:10,700
to rise.
Another one along those lines.

1798
01:54:10,700 --> 01:54:15,200
Is it Revelation Joseph Smith
received that we are all very

1799
01:54:15,200 --> 01:54:20,300
familiar with, as Doctrine
covenants, 12, a great and

1800
01:54:20,300 --> 01:54:23,100
marvelous work is about to come
forth among the children of men.

1801
01:54:23,100 --> 01:54:26,500
Behold, I am God gives you to my
work which is quick and Powerful

1802
01:54:26,508 --> 01:54:29,900
sharper than a two, edged sword
to the dividing asunder of both

1803
01:54:29,900 --> 01:54:32,900
joints and Marrow, therefore,
gives them to my word.

1804
01:54:32,900 --> 01:54:37,000
Behold, the field is white all
ready to harvest their for who,

1805
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:40,400
so desirous to reap, let him
trust in his sickle with his

1806
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:43,300
might and reap.
While the day last that he may

1807
01:54:43,300 --> 01:54:46,100
treasure up for his soul
Everlasting salvation in the

1808
01:54:46,108 --> 01:54:50,200
kingdom of God, ye whosoever
will thrust with his sickle and

1809
01:54:50,200 --> 01:54:52,700
reap.
The same is called of God.

1810
01:54:53,600 --> 01:54:56,900
Therefore, if you will ask of
me, you shall receive.

1811
01:54:56,900 --> 01:54:59,600
If you will knock, it shall be
opened unto you.

1812
01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:02,900
Now, as you have asked, behold,
I say unto you keep my

1813
01:55:02,900 --> 01:55:05,500
Commandments and seek to bring
for us and establish the cause

1814
01:55:05,500 --> 01:55:09,300
of Zion behold, I speak unto you
and also all of those who have

1815
01:55:09,300 --> 01:55:13,300
desires to bring forth and
establish this work, And no one

1816
01:55:13,300 --> 01:55:16,900
can assist in this work, except
he be humble and full of love

1817
01:55:16,900 --> 01:55:19,800
having faith, hope charity being
tempered and all things

1818
01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:24,200
whatsoever.
And all things whatsoever shall

1819
01:55:24,200 --> 01:55:27,200
be entrusted to his care behold.
I am the light in the life of

1820
01:55:27,200 --> 01:55:28,700
the world.
That speak of these words,

1821
01:55:28,700 --> 01:55:32,000
they're forgive, he'd with your
might, and then they are called.

1822
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:35,800
Amen.
What I see is qualifications

1823
01:55:35,800 --> 01:55:39,200
here is things like Humboldt.
Humility, love faith, hope

1824
01:55:39,200 --> 01:55:40,400
charity.
I don't see anything in here

1825
01:55:40,407 --> 01:55:44,500
about a prerequisite to enter
into this priesthood work of

1826
01:55:44,500 --> 01:55:49,900
preaching, the gospel of race.
It doesn't say some of you who

1827
01:55:49,900 --> 01:55:53,700
ask will receive it doesn't say
some of you willing to trust in

1828
01:55:53,700 --> 01:55:55,200
your circle and Reaper call to
God.

1829
01:55:55,200 --> 01:55:58,400
So this is also a revelation of
God.

1830
01:55:58,400 --> 01:56:01,000
True Joseph Smith.
That is very clear.

1831
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:04,000
There's no race or there's no
racial exclusion and Tori

1832
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:07,300
language anywhere and in the
revelations that Joseph Smith

1833
01:56:07,300 --> 01:56:13,100
received in regards to the
organization of the church in

1834
01:56:13,100 --> 01:56:19,500
this day, Joseph Smith had a
vision of all the people of this

1835
01:56:19,500 --> 01:56:23,400
Earth coming together under the
auspices of the Gospel.

1836
01:56:24,400 --> 01:56:28,600
And the priesthood to
participate together in this

1837
01:56:28,600 --> 01:56:33,000
establishment of Zion.
Jacob, when he got there.

1838
01:56:34,600 --> 01:56:37,000
Well, I'm just taking notes
since he's sharing.

1839
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:40,200
Did you have more there?
Justin, I don't mean to

1840
01:56:40,200 --> 01:56:42,800
short-circuit anybody.
I'm offline.

1841
01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:48,900
Also plan out Tuesday that it's
again, it's there are no, There

1842
01:56:48,900 --> 01:56:54,500
are no basically.
Brigham Young.

1843
01:56:54,500 --> 01:56:58,600
I at least as far as I can.
I might have research more than

1844
01:56:58,600 --> 01:57:00,000
me.
I can't find a single quote from

1845
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:02,800
Brigham Young attributing, this
talking to Joseph Smith.

1846
01:57:04,900 --> 01:57:07,500
I found other people after
Brigham Young.

1847
01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:10,300
Saying that it was from Joseph
Smith.

1848
01:57:11,500 --> 01:57:15,300
But not in front of first-hand
account just as it as a general

1849
01:57:15,300 --> 01:57:19,000
like is if it's common
knowledge, but I can't find

1850
01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:21,500
anything to Brigham Young saying
that Joseph Smith ever taught

1851
01:57:21,500 --> 01:57:29,300
this. and it's not until after
Joseph Smith's death, that that

1852
01:57:29,300 --> 01:57:34,700
basically you know we got our
first Examples of this being

1853
01:57:34,700 --> 01:57:46,300
taught in the church.
Play anything else there before

1854
01:57:46,300 --> 01:58:04,000
Jacob response?
I do think that when you're in

1855
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:07,800
1840, where it talks about every
race coming to Worship in the

1856
01:58:07,800 --> 01:58:11,800
temple, I do think you need to
take that in the contacts and

1857
01:58:11,800 --> 01:58:15,100
some people think that's a slam
dunk, you know, that clearly

1858
01:58:15,100 --> 01:58:18,000
there wasn't a priest, it bad
because everyone's worshipping

1859
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:21,200
Temple.
But Temple worshipped back then

1860
01:58:21,200 --> 01:58:25,600
wasn't what it was what it
became ingrained in early.

1861
01:58:25,600 --> 01:58:27,700
Utah.
Brigham Young said you have some

1862
01:58:27,700 --> 01:58:29,500
of you think that we're going to
be doing all these other things

1863
01:58:29,500 --> 01:58:34,300
that we did and Nauvoo and
didn't Kirtland in the Salt Lake

1864
01:58:34,300 --> 01:58:37,000
Temple Aces from now on, we're
only going to be building

1865
01:58:37,000 --> 01:58:39,900
temples for priesthood
ordinances and so it was a

1866
01:58:39,900 --> 01:58:42,700
policy under Brigham Young to
make the temple, be priests

1867
01:58:42,700 --> 01:58:45,600
adornments Pacific and the
Kirtland Temple, they do the

1868
01:58:45,600 --> 01:58:49,500
sacrament meetings that they do
prayer meetings, you know that

1869
01:58:49,500 --> 01:58:52,600
they would do Is the doctor
Kirtland are building?

1870
01:58:52,600 --> 01:58:54,800
The Nauvoo Temple.
This is the time when

1871
01:58:54,800 --> 01:59:05,400
everything's like it's supposed
to be a place of study, like

1872
01:59:05,400 --> 01:59:08,400
they're supposed to be like a
library in the temple where

1873
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:09,800
people are going to be coming
and studying.

1874
01:59:09,800 --> 01:59:14,200
What modern LDS temple today has
a library for four people to

1875
01:59:14,200 --> 01:59:18,800
come and study and research and,
you know, so that there is a lot

1876
01:59:18,800 --> 01:59:22,300
of stuff is listed in the Nauvoo
Temple that it was supposed to

1877
01:59:22,300 --> 01:59:24,100
be used one day.
They didn't use it for law

1878
01:59:24,100 --> 01:59:28,000
purposes, only the upper rooms
that were intended for you.

1879
01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:30,600
They use for the endowment
ordinance.

1880
01:59:30,600 --> 01:59:34,600
And sealing ordinances that use
like the main room for Sunday

1881
01:59:34,600 --> 01:59:36,000
sermons.
They used.

1882
01:59:36,000 --> 01:59:41,700
You know, they used to be
baptism, baptism for the dead,

1883
01:59:41,700 --> 01:59:48,400
but it says, who shall with us
Worship.

1884
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:51,700
The Lord of hosts in his holy
Temple, in offer up there or in

1885
01:59:51,700 --> 01:59:58,900
his Sanctuary capitalized, his
That's not the library.

1886
01:59:58,900 --> 02:00:00,800
They're talking a whole Temple
is considered a sanctuary.

1887
02:00:04,900 --> 02:00:09,400
So since that's kind of how I
would respond to you on that is

1888
02:00:09,400 --> 02:00:12,200
that I do agree, that that was
mean that all people would be

1889
02:00:12,200 --> 02:00:16,500
invited and in Elijah able to
get baptism for the dead.

1890
02:00:16,500 --> 02:00:18,600
Why even say in the sanctuary
though?

1891
02:00:18,600 --> 02:00:23,100
Crucial crucial with us Worship,
the Lord of hosts in his holy

1892
02:00:23,100 --> 02:00:26,100
Temple and offer up their
orisons, why not?

1893
02:00:26,100 --> 02:00:27,400
Just stop there.
It doesn't.

1894
02:00:27,400 --> 02:00:30,000
It says, in his Sanctuary.
It's very specific.

1895
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:31,500
The sanctuary is not the entire
Temple.

1896
02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:36,800
The Temple of the sanctuary is
where they are offering up there

1897
02:00:36,800 --> 02:00:39,000
or Sands is where they're going
to do a circle.

1898
02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:47,100
Was here, they are a prayer.
That's what the term kouros

1899
02:00:47,100 --> 02:00:48,600
means.
It just means presents for their

1900
02:00:48,600 --> 02:00:51,000
prayers.
It's not just reference to order

1901
02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:53,600
a prayer hadn't, even been
revealed to the saints that,

1902
02:00:53,600 --> 02:00:56,500
that time.
And so, I do think it's reading

1903
02:00:56,500 --> 02:00:58,900
back into it.
Something that hadn't yet been

1904
02:00:58,900 --> 02:01:02,800
even talked to the Saints go
until 1842 when do the starts

1905
02:01:02,800 --> 02:01:05,300
and ministering, then down at
the people that he starts

1906
02:01:05,300 --> 02:01:09,400
telling them that, you know,
1841, January 1841, the

1907
02:01:09,400 --> 02:01:11,800
Revelation lose that there's
going to be a cheese given to

1908
02:01:11,800 --> 02:01:16,800
better ask and receive an 18 42
trying about April and May just

1909
02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:19,800
start saying, there's going to
be ordinances, to better be able

1910
02:01:19,800 --> 02:01:22,900
to ask and receive.
But, or since just means

1911
02:01:22,900 --> 02:01:25,700
prayers, and that could be
representing solemn assemblies

1912
02:01:25,700 --> 02:01:28,900
are being held, where everyone's
giving that was a stout or, you

1913
02:01:28,900 --> 02:01:32,600
know, all sorts of other young
just prayers and in other

1914
02:01:32,600 --> 02:01:36,100
circles, That's like you can do
like those circumstances where

1915
02:01:36,100 --> 02:01:38,800
they would go into the temple
and do prayers before, you know,

1916
02:01:38,800 --> 02:01:41,900
doing three baptisms for healing
or other purposes.

1917
02:01:41,900 --> 02:01:46,600
So it's a lot of reading into
this though.

1918
02:01:46,600 --> 02:01:50,300
I visit very clearly that this
is very clearly.

1919
02:01:50,300 --> 02:01:53,700
The purpose of the temple was to
bring all of God's people

1920
02:01:53,700 --> 02:01:55,900
together.
That's what is being attempted

1921
02:01:55,900 --> 02:01:58,900
to be being communicated.
Hear some Mike Mike.

1922
02:01:58,900 --> 02:02:04,300
So Dover 6000 I think about
6,600 I'm not mistaken Saints

1923
02:02:04,300 --> 02:02:08,900
received their endowments in the
Nauvoo Temple of The Twelve,

1924
02:02:08,900 --> 02:02:12,700
basically trying to get everyone
through to get their endowments

1925
02:02:12,700 --> 02:02:18,100
before going out west.
But what's interesting to me is

1926
02:02:18,100 --> 02:02:22,900
that you don't ask Then there
are some very pure-blooded

1927
02:02:22,900 --> 02:02:25,200
African individuals in the
church in Nauvoo.

1928
02:02:25,200 --> 02:02:31,200
There was there was green flake,
and then there was Jane Manning

1929
02:02:31,200 --> 02:02:34,800
James, and neither of them went
to the temple and got their

1930
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:38,600
endowments.
And for me, what's what's very

1931
02:02:38,600 --> 02:02:43,500
interesting is?
I see the apostles less than 6

1932
02:02:43,500 --> 02:02:46,500
months or about six months after
Christmas.

1933
02:02:46,500 --> 02:02:51,300
Duh or starting to teach, you
know, these explicitly, teach

1934
02:02:51,300 --> 02:02:56,100
some of these priests and
Concepts Brigham Young on in

1935
02:02:56,100 --> 02:03:07,100
January of 1845, January 8th,
1845 set with me and I would

1936
02:03:07,100 --> 02:03:10,000
tell your children as much as
you receive this promise that if

1937
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:12,300
you mix your blood with the
others, I will curse you in a

1938
02:03:12,308 --> 02:03:14,700
relation to the previous.
Would you be cursed and damned

1939
02:03:14,700 --> 02:03:16,800
if the Ancients and not mixed
their blood?

1940
02:03:16,800 --> 02:03:20,100
The priesthood would have never
been taken from them and Number

1941
02:03:20,100 --> 02:03:23,900
of other statements in early
1845.

1942
02:03:23,900 --> 02:03:30,700
He's in his mention Keys of the
Kingdom is connected to lineage

1943
02:03:30,700 --> 02:03:33,400
and blood.
And this is what's very

1944
02:03:33,400 --> 02:03:36,700
interesting because you do have
some knowledge is like Walker.

1945
02:03:36,700 --> 02:03:43,100
Lewis was an elder Brigham.
Young of the high priest Forum

1946
02:03:43,100 --> 02:03:47,300
on March 9th. 1845 snow again,
in less, than a year after.

1947
02:03:47,300 --> 02:03:51,800
He says, there are many elders
and I can never hold the Keys of

1948
02:03:51,800 --> 02:03:54,200
the Kingdom until their blood
becomes changed, and they become

1949
02:03:54,200 --> 02:03:59,700
the right about the Tyre Temple
or was it that there are people

1950
02:03:59,700 --> 02:04:03,100
who won't be able to receive
these ordinances.

1951
02:04:03,100 --> 02:04:06,600
So I I do think that that's a
compelling.

1952
02:04:06,600 --> 02:04:11,500
Some people that start with
until 1847 or 1849 or later.

1953
02:04:11,500 --> 02:04:15,100
But Brigham Young seems to be
teaching it less than a year

1954
02:04:15,100 --> 02:04:19,500
after and you have or sand High
teaching some of these ideas.

1955
02:04:19,800 --> 02:04:22,100
What's the year after Christmas
death as well?

1956
02:04:22,100 --> 02:04:32,200
I think we all know that.
I don't think they teach these

1957
02:04:32,200 --> 02:04:36,600
things.
So, so I would say that, you

1958
02:04:36,600 --> 02:04:39,700
know, you do have Joseph Smith
statement, you have to be pretty

1959
02:04:39,700 --> 02:04:45,500
selective.
Breeding Joseph Smith to get

1960
02:04:45,500 --> 02:04:47,300
free samples.
If I don't know if you're

1961
02:04:47,300 --> 02:04:52,500
familiar with Joseph's, Miss
April 1836.

1962
02:04:54,700 --> 02:04:58,900
In the messenger and Advocate
where he says, I can say that

1963
02:04:58,900 --> 02:05:02,300
the curse has not yet taken off
of the sons of Jaden and it

1964
02:05:02,300 --> 02:05:04,700
will, it be until it's affected
by his great power that causes

1965
02:05:04,700 --> 02:05:06,600
come.
And the people in her.

1966
02:05:06,600 --> 02:05:08,500
At least of the decrees of
purpose of God.

1967
02:05:08,500 --> 02:05:12,200
In this matter, will come under
the least combination before him

1968
02:05:12,200 --> 02:05:15,400
and those who are determined to
pursue pursue a course that

1969
02:05:15,400 --> 02:05:18,700
shows an opposition Purvis
wrestle against the designs to

1970
02:05:18,700 --> 02:05:21,000
Lord will learn.
That's too late for their own

1971
02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:22,000
good.
That God can do his own work

1972
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:25,900
without the AIDS who are not
dictated by his counseling and

1973
02:05:25,900 --> 02:05:29,800
there's another statement 1841
saying that you said that the

1974
02:05:29,800 --> 02:05:34,800
curse was still on the children
of Canaan to the present-day, a

1975
02:05:34,800 --> 02:05:37,900
good point, though, because the
context of that he is, he's

1976
02:05:37,900 --> 02:05:40,500
referring to slavery in the
question of whether they should

1977
02:05:40,500 --> 02:05:42,500
be allowed to listen.
It's true.

1978
02:05:42,500 --> 02:05:47,800
Probably misses at the church.
So he doesn't say anything about

1979
02:05:47,800 --> 02:05:51,500
priesthood there.
So you said yeah we know what

1980
02:05:51,500 --> 02:05:53,800
Brigham Young taught.
It doesn't prove that Joseph

1981
02:05:53,800 --> 02:05:56,200
Smith.
Will bring him young said in the

1982
02:05:56,200 --> 02:05:58,600
Same by the same storm.
And so this experiment on

1983
02:05:58,600 --> 02:06:03,000
February, 16th 1847, he taught
that the rights to hold kingly

1984
02:06:03,000 --> 02:06:05,100
powers and higher.
Grades of the priesthood was

1985
02:06:05,100 --> 02:06:08,300
connected to lineage and blood.
And he said that the teachings.

1986
02:06:08,300 --> 02:06:15,000
He got came from Joseph Smith
movie Kingdom by the difficulty

1987
02:06:15,000 --> 02:06:17,100
was, I could not remember as
they could then, but then when

1988
02:06:17,100 --> 02:06:20,000
it was necessary, they would not
be at a loss rather standing by

1989
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:23,400
their record to the truth of his
words, before God, to say, that

1990
02:06:23,400 --> 02:06:25,700
I always had an understanding
and everything was brought to my

1991
02:06:25,700 --> 02:06:29,100
mind, just as he taught them to
us.

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02:06:29,100 --> 02:06:32,100
I'm familiar, you're probably
familiar with Lester bushes

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02:06:32,100 --> 02:06:35,400
paper Mormonism, negro doctor in
the historical overview.

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02:06:35,400 --> 02:06:40,000
I thought that you did a really
great job, arguing his case he

1995
02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:46,900
tries to he really focuses in on
the 18th 79 testimonies of like

1996
02:06:46,900 --> 02:06:53,100
70, coltrin and contrasting.
And tries to try to argue

1997
02:06:53,100 --> 02:06:58,600
against coltrin credibility,
Abraham's Milton those hearings

1998
02:06:58,600 --> 02:07:01,800
as credible.
But I do think that he compiled

1999
02:07:01,800 --> 02:07:04,500
quite a bit of information to
argue against the bad.

2000
02:07:04,500 --> 02:07:08,200
But I do think that there's been
other sources that have come to

2001
02:07:08,200 --> 02:07:09,900
light like these Brigham Young
statement.

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02:07:09,900 --> 02:07:15,500
So, I mention that would argue
that, that provides some

2003
02:07:15,500 --> 02:07:18,400
reasonable evidence.
That start with Joseph Smith.

2004
02:07:18,400 --> 02:07:21,400
Another example, is that George
had to get another in that

2005
02:07:21,400 --> 02:07:24,000
statement.
That wasn't, that was not break

2006
02:07:24,000 --> 02:07:28,200
saying that the priest the band
on on Race came from Joseph

2007
02:07:28,200 --> 02:07:30,800
Smith.
He was saying he was talking

2008
02:07:30,800 --> 02:07:33,100
about the principles of the
kingdom in the temple.

2009
02:07:33,100 --> 02:07:35,800
Ordinances, a set of The Twelve
were taught about the order of

2010
02:07:35,800 --> 02:07:37,000
the Kingdom.
In all the organ.

2011
02:07:37,000 --> 02:07:40,700
I just keep talking about him.
Receiving those organs is in the

2012
02:07:40,700 --> 02:07:43,800
red brick store before the
temple was finished and having

2013
02:07:43,800 --> 02:07:46,800
inspiration to know how to
reconstruct the endowment after

2014
02:07:46,800 --> 02:07:49,200
Joseph Smith death.
He's not talking about a racial

2015
02:07:49,200 --> 02:07:51,900
prohibition there, that that's
not there.

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02:07:51,900 --> 02:07:58,700
He didn't say that.
I meant earlier, you apply it.

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02:07:58,700 --> 02:08:02,800
Because Brigham Young was taught
the band but he didn't teach the

2018
02:08:02,800 --> 02:08:05,800
band at that time, either that
the band was being taught in

2019
02:08:05,800 --> 02:08:18,700
1847. this wasn't early 1847
after Joe Smith death as he So

2020
02:08:18,700 --> 02:08:22,900
we know that Joseph Smith was
initially very favorable to

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02:08:22,900 --> 02:08:26,400
Elijah table and wanting him to
receive a sit-down with.

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02:08:26,400 --> 02:08:31,600
But then there's a cop shift,
sometime between 1895 and the

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02:08:31,600 --> 02:08:36,800
early 1900s where Joseph Smith,
went blank decided that my table

2024
02:08:36,800 --> 02:08:40,600
didn't have the right to the
priesthood and that, you know,

2025
02:08:40,600 --> 02:08:45,100
that his priests have been
withdrawn and that of the Negro

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02:08:45,100 --> 02:08:49,600
can't hold the priesthood which
Scholars like like Lester.

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02:08:49,600 --> 02:08:54,200
Bush didn't know what to make of
why he had a complete flip flop

2028
02:08:54,200 --> 02:08:58,600
on the bed and let me down.
No thanks to the gorge to Cannon

2029
02:08:58,600 --> 02:09:04,000
journals being released in this
in 2018, George tucannon,

2030
02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:08,200
testified for different times in
his journal, in the 1890s that

2031
02:09:08,200 --> 02:09:12,800
he was taught in the bad as a
boy and na boo by John Taylor as

2032
02:09:12,800 --> 02:09:17,700
coming from Joseph Smith, and it
was that's fifty years later.

2033
02:09:17,700 --> 02:09:20,700
So Got to be cautious with
something 50 years later, but

2034
02:09:20,700 --> 02:09:24,700
his testimony was credible
enough that both Lorenzo Snow

2035
02:09:24,700 --> 02:09:29,200
and Joseph F Smith who were
requesting the bad like rhymes

2036
02:09:29,200 --> 02:09:33,000
with no questioning and Joseph
Smith with me against it that

2037
02:09:33,000 --> 02:09:36,400
they both shifted their views.
Thanks because of George to

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02:09:36,400 --> 02:09:38,400
cancel smart.
I said wow, thank you for

2039
02:09:38,400 --> 02:09:42,600
providing that.
You were told this information

2040
02:09:42,600 --> 02:09:47,600
that's what ship did is beu and
we do have money and I mean I

2041
02:09:47,600 --> 02:09:51,000
personally don't consider a
church to Cannon necessarily a

2042
02:09:51,000 --> 02:09:57,600
particularly Authoritative
source for that kind of thing.

2043
02:09:57,608 --> 02:10:00,100
First of all, he was young at
that time, and he's not saying

2044
02:10:00,100 --> 02:10:02,200
you heard from you.
He's not saying he heard it from

2045
02:10:02,200 --> 02:10:05,400
Joseph Smith, is he?
You think he heard it from John?

2046
02:10:05,400 --> 02:10:09,200
Taylor was talked to him as a
boy and Abu by John, Taylor is

2047
02:10:09,200 --> 02:10:11,700
coming from Joseph Smith, so you
can hear it directly from

2048
02:10:11,700 --> 02:10:13,500
Joseph.
He said he was taught by John

2049
02:10:13,500 --> 02:10:15,200
Taylor.
I would say you should be

2050
02:10:15,200 --> 02:10:18,000
cautious with something fifty
years after the fact.

2051
02:10:18,000 --> 02:10:22,200
But John Taylor in 1845 right
for editorial.

2052
02:10:22,200 --> 02:10:29,600
On the, on the children, the
children of Noah, where he

2053
02:10:29,600 --> 02:10:35,100
references, that have one that
Tanner was Chris pertaining to

2054
02:10:35,100 --> 02:10:39,300
the priest that he doesn't
explicitly say like that.

2055
02:10:39,300 --> 02:10:43,900
It sounds explicit as some of
the latest, but it references,

2056
02:10:43,900 --> 02:10:46,100
he's cursing at you, kind of
ties it to the priesthood.

2057
02:10:46,100 --> 02:10:49,400
So I think that gives
credibility to George to

2058
02:10:49,400 --> 02:10:51,700
Cannon's recollection that this
was going on.

2059
02:10:51,700 --> 02:10:55,100
And I'll be really kind of lies
in the The people who want to

2060
02:10:55,108 --> 02:10:58,600
say that this didn't start until
early Utah because this is like,

2061
02:10:58,600 --> 02:11:03,000
we're talking George.
They left Nauvoo in 1846 or less

2062
02:11:03,008 --> 02:11:06,000
than George you can.
And at the very latest would

2063
02:11:06,000 --> 02:11:10,800
have heard it in January 1846,
but probably earlier, if you was

2064
02:11:10,800 --> 02:11:15,100
in the movie from 1843 to 1846,
you know, it's only problem

2065
02:11:15,100 --> 02:11:16,900
probably heard it at an earlier
time.

2066
02:11:16,900 --> 02:11:22,500
He's claiming he remembers
learning as a boy from somebody

2067
02:11:22,500 --> 02:11:24,900
who wasn't even Joseph Smith,
that is a credit.

2068
02:11:24,900 --> 02:11:27,000
That's not that mean.
That's not that's not a

2069
02:11:27,000 --> 02:11:31,100
credible.
Historic reference But he's so

2070
02:11:31,100 --> 02:11:35,000
let's talk a little bit about
the 1879 investigation because

2071
02:11:35,000 --> 02:11:38,800
some people really like to
attack Zebedee Coltrane on this

2072
02:11:38,800 --> 02:11:44,200
because you know, because he
says that he gave Elijah a table

2073
02:11:44,200 --> 02:11:49,400
is washing and anointing and and
it was the record list of there

2074
02:11:49,400 --> 02:11:53,000
was another man who did it, and
there's some other details that

2075
02:11:53,000 --> 02:11:54,700
he got wrong.
But why you think is

2076
02:11:54,700 --> 02:11:57,800
interesting, is like John Taylor
convene that meeting

2077
02:11:57,800 --> 02:12:02,200
specifically because you heard
rumors, they sent it and we're

2078
02:12:02,200 --> 02:12:05,200
hearing rumors that you said
that that you heard from Joseph

2079
02:12:05,200 --> 02:12:07,300
Smith.
That the Negro can't hold the

2080
02:12:07,300 --> 02:12:09,000
priesthood.
That when Joseph was asked about

2081
02:12:09,000 --> 02:12:13,600
the right of the priesthood that
was with African individuals.

2082
02:12:13,600 --> 02:12:16,900
Can hold the priesthood that
Jose Joseph quoted from the

2083
02:12:16,900 --> 02:12:21,200
words in Acts where it says what
God has plans called out now

2084
02:12:21,200 --> 02:12:24,000
common and so they wanted.
So, John Taylor was

2085
02:12:24,000 --> 02:12:27,700
investigating, whether the
statement had veracity or not

2086
02:12:27,700 --> 02:12:32,100
and Debbie Corcoran who Didn't
know why they were calling him

2087
02:12:32,100 --> 02:12:34,500
to the meeting, you know, he, he
comes in there and they asked

2088
02:12:34,500 --> 02:12:37,400
him that rides, meaning uses.
No, I've actually received the

2089
02:12:37,400 --> 02:12:39,900
opposite instruction for Jose
but I heard him on two different

2090
02:12:39,900 --> 02:12:42,400
occasions.
Say that Africans couldn't hold

2091
02:12:42,400 --> 02:12:47,900
the priesthood and the person
interviewed was Abraham's milk

2092
02:12:47,900 --> 02:12:50,700
and Abraham's milk.
Similarly, recalled.

2093
02:12:50,700 --> 02:12:53,400
That Joseph Smith said, you
could baptized slaves with the

2094
02:12:53,400 --> 02:12:56,600
consent of your Masters on the
south Austin said their masters

2095
02:12:56,600 --> 02:12:58,800
on South but don't compare the
priest on them.

2096
02:12:58,800 --> 02:13:01,800
And so it's interesting how
people really focus on Zebedee

2097
02:13:01,800 --> 02:13:07,400
Coltrane and try to disparage.
And just as well, he was he was

2098
02:13:07,400 --> 02:13:12,200
a slaveholder in Utah.
Yeah, Abraham smoke was was, was

2099
02:13:12,208 --> 02:13:14,000
that really kind of called into
question?

2100
02:13:14,000 --> 02:13:17,100
I mean, that I mean that's the
kind of conflict of interest,

2101
02:13:17,100 --> 02:13:22,200
right?
Well what's interesting is

2102
02:13:22,200 --> 02:13:25,400
Lester, Bush found his stuff.
He said that he thought like

2103
02:13:25,400 --> 02:13:28,800
that that Abraham Smoot was
credible, he just thought that

2104
02:13:28,800 --> 02:13:32,200
it was just a policy pertaining
to the South and you actually do

2105
02:13:32,200 --> 02:13:36,600
have some contemporary Thai
Heaven, read this essay that

2106
02:13:36,600 --> 02:13:42,300
you're referring to, okay?
The Sara Lee interested in his

2107
02:13:42,300 --> 02:13:45,000
perspective on it, but I think
that it's pretty clear that if

2108
02:13:45,000 --> 02:13:48,200
somebody is a slaveholder,
they're going to have a vested

2109
02:13:48,200 --> 02:13:52,600
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02:14:46,400 --> 02:14:49,100
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It's a culture as such it has

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yours today in anime,
maintaining the the priests of

2146
02:15:45,600 --> 02:15:49,000
band and the the racist
behaviors and attitudes among

2147
02:15:49,000 --> 02:15:55,900
that was developing among the
culture at that time, which is a

2148
02:15:55,900 --> 02:16:00,300
declaration of belief in
Kirtland, Ohio and 1835, seems

2149
02:16:00,300 --> 02:16:03,700
to support the skull Prince,
recollection, about his

2150
02:16:03,700 --> 02:16:07,000
instructions.
From Joseph Smith has to preach

2151
02:16:07,000 --> 02:16:08,800
the gospel Nation.
They are going to warn the

2152
02:16:08,800 --> 02:16:10,400
righteous to save himself and
Corruption.

2153
02:16:10,400 --> 02:16:13,300
While we do not believe it right
to interfere with bondservants,

2154
02:16:13,300 --> 02:16:15,400
neither preach the gospel to nor
baptize them.

2155
02:16:15,400 --> 02:16:18,400
Contrary to the will and wishes
of their masters norda metal

2156
02:16:18,400 --> 02:16:20,700
with more influence.
Annalisa Cochrane to be

2157
02:16:20,700 --> 02:16:22,400
dissatisfied with their
situations in life.

2158
02:16:22,407 --> 02:16:24,800
Thereby jeopardizing the lives
of men, such interference.

2159
02:16:24,800 --> 02:16:27,400
We believe to be unlawful and
I'm just a dangerous, the piece

2160
02:16:27,400 --> 02:16:30,400
of every government allowing
human beings to be held in

2161
02:16:30,400 --> 02:16:34,500
servitude.
So, yeah, this is matching up

2162
02:16:34,500 --> 02:16:36,900
with what he said, where you
said I could baptizing with the

2163
02:16:36,900 --> 02:16:39,700
consent, their masters.
So that's what was.

2164
02:16:39,700 --> 02:16:42,400
We literally have is the
instruction the criminal that

2165
02:16:42,407 --> 02:16:45,000
time.
So that's that's why some your

2166
02:16:45,000 --> 02:16:48,799
historians do give credibility.
So we have, you know, George Do

2167
02:16:48,799 --> 02:16:53,200
Canon recalling.
It, we have zebi call Tran, we

2168
02:16:53,200 --> 02:16:58,100
have, but again, that's not,
that's not what he said that.

2169
02:16:58,100 --> 02:17:03,400
Joseph Smith was not saying that
there's a racial Twisted band.

2170
02:17:03,400 --> 02:17:06,900
The question is, is it okay?
Is it allowable to preach the

2171
02:17:06,900 --> 02:17:10,600
gospel?
And his response was that is it

2172
02:17:10,600 --> 02:17:13,600
is allowable with the with the
slave, hold with the slave

2173
02:17:13,600 --> 02:17:17,299
owners permission.
And we know that Joseph Smith

2174
02:17:17,299 --> 02:17:21,700
was not and he was running for
president on a platform of of

2175
02:17:21,700 --> 02:17:26,700
freeing the slaves just did a
different approach than then

2176
02:17:26,700 --> 02:17:29,600
what an alternate Lee happen not
through War but through

2177
02:17:29,600 --> 02:17:34,400
basically purchasing purchasing
them back but what do you think

2178
02:17:34,407 --> 02:17:36,900
Joseph Smith meant when he said
that?

2179
02:17:36,900 --> 02:17:42,799
The when when when he debated
with John C Bennett and he said

2180
02:17:42,799 --> 02:17:45,600
that the Indians have greater
cause to complain of their

2181
02:17:45,600 --> 02:17:48,500
treatment of the whites in the
Negroes are sons of Jane.

2182
02:17:48,500 --> 02:17:51,200
Why do you think you thought the
Indians were more mystery to us

2183
02:17:51,200 --> 02:17:58,000
in the Negroes and I was in a
debate in 1842 and novel, you

2184
02:17:58,000 --> 02:18:04,200
know, I don't know that it
really is pregnant is it to The

2185
02:18:04,200 --> 02:18:09,200
discussion.
But it could be, you know how it

2186
02:18:09,200 --> 02:18:12,000
is at as a descendant of set,
Indians.

2187
02:18:12,900 --> 02:18:18,400
There have been some really
horrific horrific more near

2188
02:18:18,400 --> 02:18:23,000
genocide.
All history among the Native

2189
02:18:23,000 --> 02:18:24,400
Indians.
Where is the blacks were

2190
02:18:24,400 --> 02:18:25,799
enslaved?
Nobody tried to enslave the

2191
02:18:25,799 --> 02:18:27,900
Indians.
They were trying to, to kill

2192
02:18:27,900 --> 02:18:34,600
them all, so, to speak and a
worse situation to be in, then

2193
02:18:34,600 --> 02:18:40,400
then slavery.
When is a lot of those big

2194
02:18:40,400 --> 02:18:42,900
persecutions and killing off
Indians happened?

2195
02:18:42,900 --> 02:18:48,299
You know, after Joseph Smith
death I know there was complex

2196
02:18:48,299 --> 02:18:50,600
before that, but I'm talking
about like, the big massacres

2197
02:18:51,500 --> 02:18:55,100
it.
It depends.

2198
02:18:55,100 --> 02:18:57,500
And then it's hard to know with
what's right in the history

2199
02:18:57,500 --> 02:19:01,799
because it's very politicized.
You've got some people trying to

2200
02:19:01,807 --> 02:19:05,400
argue that the US government,
when it was never anything, but

2201
02:19:05,400 --> 02:19:08,799
grateful and a benevolent,
father to the Indian and then

2202
02:19:08,799 --> 02:19:11,299
you got some people to try to
argue that from the moment,

2203
02:19:11,299 --> 02:19:16,400
Columbus landed.
We've been trying to murder them

2204
02:19:16,400 --> 02:19:20,299
all and so but I mean this is a
question of opinion.

2205
02:19:20,299 --> 02:19:23,500
It sounds like Joseph Smith
weighing in on his opinion on

2206
02:19:23,508 --> 02:19:26,500
that and in his opinion he
saying that he feels the Native

2207
02:19:26,500 --> 02:19:30,799
Americans were treated worse
than you and I can I can respect

2208
02:19:30,799 --> 02:19:32,500
that opinion.
I don't know if it's absolutely

2209
02:19:32,500 --> 02:19:38,400
the truth but like I said the
history of of the of what was

2210
02:19:38,400 --> 02:19:40,400
done to the Native Americans is
highly politicized.

2211
02:19:40,400 --> 02:19:44,299
So it's really hard to know.
What's right or wrong and even

2212
02:19:44,299 --> 02:19:46,799
Joseph Smith, I mean, if their
story is going around, then

2213
02:19:46,799 --> 02:19:49,200
about things that maybe weren't
actually happened.

2214
02:19:49,200 --> 02:19:53,100
You know, who knows how he
landed at the opinion he landed

2215
02:19:53,100 --> 02:19:56,700
on.
But I don't, I don't see where,

2216
02:19:56,700 --> 02:20:01,800
I don't know, I personally was
seeing that as possibly

2217
02:20:01,800 --> 02:20:07,200
referencing back to work Joseph,
in April of 1836 Cairo,

2218
02:20:07,200 --> 02:20:11,300
editorial saying that that
slavery was something that was

2219
02:20:11,300 --> 02:20:14,600
biblical, but that he said, that
slave owners had to treat their

2220
02:20:14,600 --> 02:20:17,100
slaves humanely and that like a
parent.

2221
02:20:17,100 --> 02:20:20,800
So then rather than treating
them cruelly was Joseph, Smith's

2222
02:20:20,800 --> 02:20:23,100
view on slavery was in the
1830s.

2223
02:20:23,100 --> 02:20:27,400
So but Joseph Smith even by the
late in the last year, or so of

2224
02:20:27,400 --> 02:20:32,100
his slide in the last two years
while he was against slavery.

2225
02:20:32,100 --> 02:20:36,500
He's still interested had some
opinions that we're not what you

2226
02:20:36,500 --> 02:20:42,600
would consider to be modern.
And it's on a racial racial

2227
02:20:42,600 --> 02:20:49,100
ideas do on on January, 2nd of
1843 he was asked about the

2228
02:20:49,100 --> 02:20:53,700
situation of the Negroes, B,
worse and ride and and Joseph

2229
02:20:53,700 --> 02:20:55,400
replied.
He said Give me the Wild Side,

2230
02:20:55,400 --> 02:20:58,300
mentally and physically changed
our situation of the whites.

2231
02:20:58,300 --> 02:21:01,200
And they would be like them.
They have souls are subject of

2232
02:21:01,200 --> 02:21:07,000
Salvation, he's being great, a
gallon or so I don't want them

2233
02:21:07,000 --> 02:21:10,600
to be above me in the same
validation haven't seen equal

2234
02:21:10,600 --> 02:21:14,200
rights is us but then Joe said
anything to do with the Negro.

2235
02:21:14,200 --> 02:21:17,400
I would confine them by strict
lost, their own species and put

2236
02:21:17,400 --> 02:21:21,400
them on a national Equalization
to Joseph was very much against

2237
02:21:21,400 --> 02:21:26,500
miscegenation with the with the
Negroes and he said you wanted

2238
02:21:26,500 --> 02:21:30,000
them by law to their own species
and he actually did that.

2239
02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:36,900
Bill in February of 1844 where
he find to Africans in Nauvoo

2240
02:21:36,900 --> 02:21:38,300
for attempting to marry white
women.

2241
02:21:38,300 --> 02:21:41,300
So he still held.
Yeah, I think it's a

2242
02:21:41,300 --> 02:21:43,500
mischaracterization to try to
characterize.

2243
02:21:43,500 --> 02:21:47,800
Joseph is being kind of a racial
egalitarians, where he would

2244
02:21:47,800 --> 02:21:51,600
have modern, Rachel sentiments.
And I have to ask if he thought

2245
02:21:51,600 --> 02:21:54,100
Negroes were completely equal
with my to be said.

2246
02:21:54,400 --> 02:21:58,900
In this January 2nd, 1843
statement, why would he still be

2247
02:21:58,900 --> 02:22:01,000
against inter marriage under all
circumstances?

2248
02:22:01,000 --> 02:22:06,500
You say by strict law.
So perhaps because there's

2249
02:22:06,500 --> 02:22:08,600
another statement where he
suggest sending them to Mexico

2250
02:22:08,600 --> 02:22:11,100
where all Races that are mixed
with no problem.

2251
02:22:12,000 --> 02:22:15,400
Yeah, so he wants to free the
slaves and then send them, he

2252
02:22:15,400 --> 02:22:18,000
wants them.
Separate is kind of send them to

2253
02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:22,800
Mexico, where where they're not
going to be lynched for being

2254
02:22:22,800 --> 02:22:28,400
freed slaves.
Tell me where they're not going

2255
02:22:28,400 --> 02:22:32,800
to where they don't have to deal
with a of eminent racial

2256
02:22:32,800 --> 02:22:35,000
persecution.
I mean that sounds like a good

2257
02:22:35,000 --> 02:22:39,800
idea to be too if there's
someplace that they could go

2258
02:22:39,800 --> 02:22:44,100
where they're not going to have
to deal with that then yeah that

2259
02:22:44,100 --> 02:22:49,100
sounds like a good idea.
And yeah it like act like I just

2260
02:22:49,100 --> 02:22:52,600
said why confine them to their
race because they're they're

2261
02:22:52,600 --> 02:22:56,900
likely to to face some severe
backlash and persecution.

2262
02:22:56,900 --> 02:23:01,200
Otherwise I don't think that's
necessarily implies in any way

2263
02:23:01,200 --> 02:23:04,400
whatsoever.
A priest band that was not

2264
02:23:04,400 --> 02:23:07,400
mentioned or spoken of and
frankly I mean in all the stuff

2265
02:23:07,400 --> 02:23:12,000
you've been talking about
lately, it seems like it has no

2266
02:23:12,000 --> 02:23:12,900
real.
I don't know.

2267
02:23:12,900 --> 02:23:15,000
I'm not saying that I'm not
seeing the connection to the

2268
02:23:15,000 --> 02:23:17,900
priesthood band.
Okay, well, I'm done talking

2269
02:23:17,900 --> 02:23:21,600
about racial abuse in general.
So for me, my personal

2270
02:23:21,600 --> 02:23:25,100
perspective on when the priests
of them was introduced is that I

2271
02:23:25,100 --> 02:23:30,300
believe the Book of Abraham was
repealed in 1835, but I don't

2272
02:23:30,300 --> 02:23:32,300
think it was implemented
immediately.

2273
02:23:32,300 --> 02:23:36,100
That strict way because we know
Elijah table is, were named in

2274
02:23:36,100 --> 02:23:38,700
1836.
We know that Jose is missing on

2275
02:23:38,700 --> 02:23:41,600
the patriarchal, blessing,
referencing his status as an

2276
02:23:41,600 --> 02:23:43,900
elder.
What's interesting?

2277
02:23:43,900 --> 02:23:49,300
So in 1842 is when the book
Abraham is finally published,

2278
02:23:49,300 --> 02:23:51,900
and that's when Joseph is trying
to introduce these Temple and it

2279
02:23:51,900 --> 02:23:55,500
says, which Brigham Young said
we're in connection to lineage

2280
02:23:55,500 --> 02:23:58,200
and blood.
Then in 1843.

2281
02:23:58,200 --> 02:24:03,200
Elijah table was restricted to
preach to his own race by the

2282
02:24:03,200 --> 02:24:05,100
apostles.
This is Raymond Joseph Smith on

2283
02:24:05,100 --> 02:24:08,800
Lifetime, it's in this is in the
book for the cause of

2284
02:24:08,800 --> 02:24:13,600
righteousness on page to 28.
It says Elijah Abel's preaching

2285
02:24:13,600 --> 02:24:16,100
activities restricted.
June. 1843.

2286
02:24:16,700 --> 02:24:18,700
So he was a missionary and
Elder.

2287
02:24:18,700 --> 02:24:25,200
I think it was a he was a 70 by
that point in early 1878 1842

2288
02:24:25,200 --> 02:24:30,200
was on a mission to Cincinnati
the apostles met with him in

2289
02:24:30,200 --> 02:24:35,400
June of 1843 and they told them
that he was from now on only to

2290
02:24:35,400 --> 02:24:38,800
preach to his own race and they
gave him other.

2291
02:24:38,800 --> 02:24:43,000
And so brother Pat Rose at 12,
it's organic sediment or their

2292
02:24:43,000 --> 02:24:44,400
own native country of their own
kin.

2293
02:24:44,400 --> 02:24:49,500
Brother Abel's was advised to
visit the colored population and

2294
02:24:49,500 --> 02:24:52,600
advice is sanctioned by the
conference and instructions were

2295
02:24:52,600 --> 02:24:54,300
given to him concerning his
mission.

2296
02:24:54,300 --> 02:24:57,500
As I believe, it's Elijah tables
priest and was restricted.

2297
02:24:57,500 --> 02:25:00,900
I believe it was at this time
where he was restricted to

2298
02:25:00,900 --> 02:25:04,600
preach to his own race and then
I didn't hear that.

2299
02:25:04,600 --> 02:25:08,400
It sounded like he was being
advised to preach the gospel to

2300
02:25:08,400 --> 02:25:11,200
his own race.
That was kind of that.

2301
02:25:11,200 --> 02:25:13,200
I was skipping around.
I wasn't reading the whole

2302
02:25:13,200 --> 02:25:19,600
document but they said, let's
see if there were several

2303
02:25:19,600 --> 02:25:24,300
earlier place where Design.
I think that would make sense.

2304
02:25:24,300 --> 02:25:27,000
You're you're you you have a
connection to those people.

2305
02:25:27,000 --> 02:25:31,600
And we want to preach the gospel
to them and bring them into the

2306
02:25:31,600 --> 02:25:34,200
fullness of the Gospel.
As is being raised, was being

2307
02:25:34,200 --> 02:25:37,800
restored and so who better than
Elijah Abel a priesthood holder

2308
02:25:37,800 --> 02:25:44,400
and a black man to go to the, to
go to his own people and preach

2309
02:25:44,400 --> 02:25:48,900
and share the gospel with them.
I mean I think that's some good

2310
02:25:48,900 --> 02:25:51,700
advice.
So overall so it couldn't be a

2311
02:25:51,700 --> 02:25:58,600
protection to him to safety to
him against getting some upset.

2312
02:25:58,600 --> 02:26:01,400
You know preaching at some white
people who might be upset that

2313
02:26:01,400 --> 02:26:03,300
you know that there's a black
man running around free.

2314
02:26:05,500 --> 02:26:08,700
Well I think that what that it
was it was in a city in the

2315
02:26:08,700 --> 02:26:14,900
north so it wasn't you know like
down in the South but yeah I do

2316
02:26:14,900 --> 02:26:18,800
think it's significant that
basically B there too only

2317
02:26:18,800 --> 02:26:22,200
preached to his own race and
what were they like it?

2318
02:26:22,200 --> 02:26:24,500
And I think is really
significant, is that he

2319
02:26:24,500 --> 02:26:28,000
continued in the priest that he
even continued, exercising it in

2320
02:26:28,000 --> 02:26:30,900
the office of his priesthood,
even down to his death, he was

2321
02:26:30,900 --> 02:26:33,800
serving a mission.
He got back from the final

2322
02:26:33,800 --> 02:26:38,500
mission 2 weeks before he died.
He was is preacher, was never

2323
02:26:38,500 --> 02:26:41,200
taken away.
He was even even by Brigham,

2324
02:26:41,200 --> 02:26:43,800
Young and John Haylor.
They never restricted.

2325
02:26:43,800 --> 02:26:45,600
His priests didn't, in fact,
they even sent him on another

2326
02:26:45,600 --> 02:26:49,100
mission at the end of his life.
He was allowed to hold his

2327
02:26:49,100 --> 02:26:52,400
missionary office, but I don't
know of any evidence of him

2328
02:26:52,400 --> 02:26:54,200
performing any ordinances after
this.

2329
02:26:54,200 --> 02:26:57,300
After this meeting with the
apostles.

2330
02:26:57,300 --> 02:27:00,900
So it's, it's my opinion that
when the meeting occurred, that,

2331
02:27:00,900 --> 02:27:05,400
that is when he had his Priests
of the restricted and then we

2332
02:27:05,400 --> 02:27:07,400
have Brigham Young.
I mean, excuse me.

2333
02:27:07,408 --> 02:27:13,000
Actually, he actually takes in
the Quorum of 70 East Shelly

2334
02:27:13,000 --> 02:27:18,100
still was a member of the 70 but
you know he was Joseph Smith

2335
02:27:18,100 --> 02:27:20,500
said that you sent on a mission
they changed but he was not to

2336
02:27:20,500 --> 02:27:23,600
confer the priesthood on any of
the colored individuals.

2337
02:27:23,600 --> 02:27:26,900
I wouldn't be surprised if he
was actually prohibited at that

2338
02:27:26,900 --> 02:27:30,300
point because based off of the
priesthood band, which we have

2339
02:27:30,300 --> 02:27:32,800
thus far, seen began with
Brigham Young.

2340
02:27:33,400 --> 02:27:38,200
But I don't again.
You're going on a mission.

2341
02:27:38,200 --> 02:27:41,100
You're you're speaking, you're a
member of the Quorum in your

2342
02:27:41,100 --> 02:27:43,000
even presenting to that a
quorum.

2343
02:27:43,000 --> 02:27:49,600
These are things that priest of
holders to say, after listening

2344
02:27:49,600 --> 02:27:53,400
to about 70 Coltrane and Abraham
smooth, listening to Elijah

2345
02:27:53,400 --> 02:27:59,200
table and sell in his case was
probably like many other things

2346
02:27:59,200 --> 02:28:01,800
done in the early days, the
church baptism for the dead.

2347
02:28:01,800 --> 02:28:04,900
At first persons were baptized
without records being taken.

2348
02:28:04,900 --> 02:28:07,400
As the lord gave for the light
and Revelation things were done

2349
02:28:07,400 --> 02:28:09,900
with greater at work, but what
has been done through lack of

2350
02:28:09,908 --> 02:28:11,000
knowledge?
That was not altogether.

2351
02:28:11,000 --> 02:28:14,800
Correct in detail, was allowed.
That probably was doing brother

2352
02:28:14,800 --> 02:28:16,900
Abel's case.
He haven't been ordained before

2353
02:28:16,900 --> 02:28:18,800
the word of the Lord was fully
understood.

2354
02:28:18,800 --> 02:28:23,200
It was allowed to remain in that
was on June 4th, 1879.

2355
02:28:23,500 --> 02:28:27,100
And so what's interesting Yeah.
Go ahead.

2356
02:28:27,108 --> 02:28:34,100
Is it 18:44?
A patriarchal blessing that

2357
02:28:34,100 --> 02:28:39,200
indicates that she came down
Through the Ages that do not

2358
02:28:39,200 --> 02:28:41,800
have the full promises given to
them is busy.

2359
02:28:41,800 --> 02:28:43,900
So she poked him.
Dip down in the lineage of

2360
02:28:43,900 --> 02:28:46,900
Canaan, the son of ham which
promises the fullness thereof is

2361
02:28:46,900 --> 02:28:50,100
not yet revealed.
That statement seems to be some

2362
02:28:50,100 --> 02:28:52,100
more in language to Brigham
Young Thing.

2363
02:28:52,100 --> 02:28:54,200
The African droids the right of
receiving.

2364
02:28:54,200 --> 02:28:56,900
The first principles of God's
will, is Liberty, is held out to

2365
02:28:56,900 --> 02:28:59,500
all the servants.
They enjoy the Liberty, being

2366
02:28:59,500 --> 02:29:02,200
baptized remission of sins.
And a receiving the Holy Ghost

2367
02:29:02,200 --> 02:29:04,400
by laying on of hands, but they
cannot hold the priesthood as

2368
02:29:04,400 --> 02:29:08,600
much as they can't bear any
share in the priest in any place

2369
02:29:08,600 --> 02:29:10,200
until the curse is removed for
them.

2370
02:29:10,200 --> 02:29:13,700
And so, she's idette also,
identified as being able to

2371
02:29:13,700 --> 02:29:18,200
obtain and that blessing work,
he quotes hiring in the.

2372
02:29:18,200 --> 02:29:22,300
After he mentioned that if she
was righteous, you would

2373
02:29:22,300 --> 02:29:25,000
eventually have the curse
removed, but he also gives a

2374
02:29:25,000 --> 02:29:28,700
warning behold.
I stand Accepted it.

2375
02:29:28,700 --> 02:29:33,500
Does not well, soon live but the
warning and conditional promise

2376
02:29:33,500 --> 02:29:38,400
given to Cain and Jesse's for 7.
I'm also stated that the season

2377
02:29:38,400 --> 02:29:41,800
to place a mark upon your
forehead can take it off and

2378
02:29:41,800 --> 02:29:45,600
step up on you his own image.
That's just like what Brigham

2379
02:29:45,600 --> 02:29:48,500
Young said, where he said the
curse was on the face of every

2380
02:29:48,500 --> 02:29:50,600
African.
He said he placed a mark on your

2381
02:29:50,600 --> 02:29:54,200
forehead so he's referencing the
curse of Cain right there.

2382
02:29:54,200 --> 02:29:57,200
And so hiresmith in this
revelatory blessing is

2383
02:29:57,200 --> 02:30:00,600
referencing her as, as being of
these cursed one, you just do

2384
02:30:00,600 --> 02:30:03,100
not have the full promises given
to them through.

2385
02:30:03,100 --> 02:30:05,700
This is in Joseph, Smith
Lifetime with Tire, Man, as the

2386
02:30:05,700 --> 02:30:07,200
co-president of the church, I
see.

2387
02:30:07,200 --> 02:30:10,800
This is also being evidence that
this Doctrine goes back to

2388
02:30:10,800 --> 02:30:15,100
Joseph Smith Lifetime.
Well, here is his curse and I

2389
02:30:15,100 --> 02:30:16,800
have never said there wasn't a
curse.

2390
02:30:16,800 --> 02:30:19,800
I I completely agree that there
is a curse.

2391
02:30:19,800 --> 02:30:22,900
The question is, is really here
has been nature of that curse

2392
02:30:22,900 --> 02:30:26,800
and you went back for you.
Go to John Taylor.

2393
02:30:26,800 --> 02:30:30,100
And that's actually a very
fascinating case to me because

2394
02:30:30,100 --> 02:30:33,300
this is a minute from the Quorum
of The Twelve Apostles meeting,

2395
02:30:33,300 --> 02:30:37,500
right?
And what John Taylor says is it

2396
02:30:37,500 --> 02:30:44,200
seems that in this case, it was
probably like many of the things

2397
02:30:44,200 --> 02:30:46,600
done in the early days of the
church, such as baptism for the

2398
02:30:46,608 --> 02:30:50,000
dead at first persons were
baptized at Rikers, being taken,

2399
02:30:50,000 --> 02:30:51,200
more further night and that.
Yeah.

2400
02:30:51,200 --> 02:30:56,800
What you done, max out, sew-in
Brothers ain't so he thought

2401
02:30:56,800 --> 02:31:01,400
that probably it was so and
brother, I mean the language

2402
02:31:01,400 --> 02:31:05,700
he's using he is incredibly
speculative.

2403
02:31:05,700 --> 02:31:13,300
He said he wanted to interview
Joseph young to to see if there

2404
02:31:13,300 --> 02:31:17,700
was confirmation of Zebedee.
Coltrane's, testimony interview

2405
02:31:17,700 --> 02:31:22,800
Joseph young about it.
The Lord.

2406
02:31:22,800 --> 02:31:25,600
He's not saying I went and
prayed about it and and dust day

2407
02:31:25,600 --> 02:31:27,400
of the Lord.
Ultimately, that really get that

2408
02:31:27,400 --> 02:31:29,400
the Crux of this whole issue for
me.

2409
02:31:29,400 --> 02:31:33,700
Where is the Revelation if this
is so important, especially as

2410
02:31:33,700 --> 02:31:37,200
Brigham, Young describes it.
Brigham Young says that if you

2411
02:31:37,200 --> 02:31:40,500
marry outside your race, then it
would be better for you.

2412
02:31:40,500 --> 02:31:43,300
Two to be killed and your wife
and your children.

2413
02:31:43,308 --> 02:31:50,900
The dire thin of interracial
marriage or giving these people.

2414
02:31:50,900 --> 02:31:53,400
The priesthood is as Brigham
Young describes.

2415
02:31:53,400 --> 02:31:58,000
It is, well, it's it's, it's
hyperbolic to be honest.

2416
02:31:58,000 --> 02:32:01,100
It's, it's really hard to take
it and believe it with a

2417
02:32:01,108 --> 02:32:04,800
straight face.
It's so incendiary, and Rebecca

2418
02:32:04,800 --> 02:32:07,400
said that her life, would it be
worth anything to her?

2419
02:32:07,400 --> 02:32:11,600
If Jacob also Mary's with among
the cainites also among the

2420
02:32:11,600 --> 02:32:15,600
Canaanites at that time were
burning their children babies

2421
02:32:15,600 --> 02:32:17,400
alive.
Yeah, I would feel very

2422
02:32:17,408 --> 02:32:21,900
similarly, I don't think this
has anything to do with you.

2423
02:32:21,900 --> 02:32:25,200
He going back to that point but
again, I'm not I don't see

2424
02:32:25,200 --> 02:32:28,300
anything about that.
He would be barred from the

2425
02:32:28,300 --> 02:32:29,800
priests of the femur Decay night
woman.

2426
02:32:31,000 --> 02:32:33,600
Because they have a cursive bud
line, that's not what, that's

2427
02:32:33,600 --> 02:32:36,200
not what I see Rebecca saying
here, I see Rebecca saying, is

2428
02:32:36,200 --> 02:32:38,400
it concerned?
A mom who's afraid her son is

2429
02:32:38,400 --> 02:32:41,000
going to marry these people that
murder their babies.

2430
02:32:41,000 --> 02:32:45,600
And that's a very, very
reasonable stamps to take.

2431
02:32:45,600 --> 02:32:50,700
And so again, if this is so
important, if this is so vital

2432
02:32:50,700 --> 02:32:53,600
to the exercise of the
priesthood, where is the

2433
02:32:53,600 --> 02:32:56,000
Revelation?
Why didn't Joseph Smith even

2434
02:32:56,000 --> 02:32:59,600
presented Revelation on it?
If if he knew about this, why

2435
02:32:59,600 --> 02:33:01,400
doesn't Brigham Young for that
the Revelation?

2436
02:33:01,400 --> 02:33:04,500
Why didn't John Taylor for this
to Revelation?

2437
02:33:04,500 --> 02:33:08,700
Where is the, the scriptural
Revelation that was presented to

2438
02:33:08,708 --> 02:33:14,600
the church?
My position is that the word of

2439
02:33:14,600 --> 02:33:18,600
the Lord to his German is
revelation and that you know,

2440
02:33:18,600 --> 02:33:21,000
some of the section of the
doctor and come it for just the

2441
02:33:21,000 --> 02:33:24,000
inspired me things that Joseph
Smith taught that we consider

2442
02:33:24,000 --> 02:33:28,600
you not to be a GNC 121, one of
the greatest section to the

2443
02:33:28,600 --> 02:33:30,600
doctor and come.
It's just an excerpt from the

2444
02:33:30,600 --> 02:33:36,900
letter of the DNC, 13131 are
taking excerpts from those those

2445
02:33:36,900 --> 02:33:41,000
those were all presented his
Revelations and accepted by the

2446
02:33:41,000 --> 02:33:46,400
church as Revelation that were
accepted his Revelations.

2447
02:33:47,200 --> 02:33:49,400
And then, bring him young
teaching, was accepted as the

2448
02:33:49,400 --> 02:33:51,200
word of the Lord, by his
contemporaries.

2449
02:33:51,200 --> 02:33:56,900
There was no one who disputed
him on introducing was somebody

2450
02:33:56,900 --> 02:33:59,600
who was willing to Brigham
Young.

2451
02:33:59,608 --> 02:34:01,900
When he thought that Brigham,
Young was contradicting, Joseph

2452
02:34:01,900 --> 02:34:05,000
Smith, he supported the same
Doctrine and he wrote about it

2453
02:34:05,000 --> 02:34:08,100
in this year arguing that it
was, it went back to the

2454
02:34:08,100 --> 02:34:11,000
previous that they tied it into
the doctor in the pre-existence,

2455
02:34:11,000 --> 02:34:15,900
Kristen all the priests in the
brake system of anything should

2456
02:34:15,900 --> 02:34:18,800
have been suggested by us or any
names mentioned except by

2457
02:34:18,800 --> 02:34:20,800
commandment.
Or they say the Lord, we do not

2458
02:34:20,800 --> 02:34:25,000
consider it binding.
Brianna said, in the name of the

2459
02:34:25,000 --> 02:34:29,500
Lord, so You said that in the
name of Jesus Christ.

2460
02:34:29,500 --> 02:34:32,400
I know it's true.
Yeah, I know.

2461
02:34:32,400 --> 02:34:34,100
It's true.
That's a testimony.

2462
02:34:34,100 --> 02:34:39,400
That is a testimony.
And I believe you believe that I

2463
02:34:39,400 --> 02:34:41,800
don't think Brigham Young was
was was an evil person.

2464
02:34:41,800 --> 02:34:43,400
I'm not from Brigham Young under
the bus.

2465
02:34:45,600 --> 02:34:51,100
But that is not a revelation
that is not what the standard,

2466
02:34:51,100 --> 02:34:53,800
the Joseph Smith established by
which the church should be

2467
02:34:53,808 --> 02:34:56,300
governed.
And again if this is so vital,

2468
02:34:56,300 --> 02:35:00,800
if this is so important, why
didn't why didn't why didn't

2469
02:35:00,800 --> 02:35:03,400
just been explicitly, teacher
that you're saying, you think he

2470
02:35:03,400 --> 02:35:06,200
knew about it, but was keeping
silent and just told a few

2471
02:35:06,200 --> 02:35:11,300
randos, I don't see.
I think we're very lacking in

2472
02:35:11,300 --> 02:35:15,100
the historical record with with
where Joseph Smith Institute of

2473
02:35:15,100 --> 02:35:18,100
different things like a deuce,
though.

2474
02:35:18,100 --> 02:35:21,900
If there was a revelation
produced by Joseph Smith, we

2475
02:35:21,900 --> 02:35:23,900
would know about it, it would
have been referenced.

2476
02:35:23,900 --> 02:35:26,500
We don't have an explicit
Revelation.

2477
02:35:26,500 --> 02:35:28,900
It from Joseph Smith.
Say the Lord, Adam is your

2478
02:35:28,900 --> 02:35:31,600
father and your God.
We have other Revelations that

2479
02:35:31,600 --> 02:35:33,200
hints at the Autumn God
Doctrine.

2480
02:35:33,200 --> 02:35:36,800
But yeah, we take on Brigham's
word, that Joseph Smith taught

2481
02:35:36,800 --> 02:35:39,400
that to him.
We do we take that at Brigham's

2482
02:35:39,400 --> 02:35:43,200
word and we see how it fits in
with the rest of the gospel, and

2483
02:35:43,200 --> 02:35:45,400
the restored, scriptures, and
even in need.

2484
02:35:45,600 --> 02:35:49,900
Daniel in the Old Testament,
puts forth, a pretty good case.

2485
02:35:49,900 --> 02:35:53,100
That the Ancients of days Adam
is is God our father.

2486
02:35:53,100 --> 02:35:59,300
But what we have is just an
out-of-the-blue.

2487
02:35:59,300 --> 02:36:02,400
We've got Brigham Young.
Who is not claiming this was

2488
02:36:02,400 --> 02:36:07,700
taught by Joseph saying that
this is a vital vital aspect of

2489
02:36:07,700 --> 02:36:11,900
the priesthood that if this is,
if you screw this up, the entire

2490
02:36:11,900 --> 02:36:16,000
church will be destroyed.
And and the people who mess this

2491
02:36:16,000 --> 02:36:18,900
up or where would be better off
if we if we killed them.

2492
02:36:19,800 --> 02:36:25,100
And this is all based off of, I
have a testimony in the name of

2493
02:36:25,100 --> 02:36:27,900
Jesus Christ.
Not the stay at the Lord.

2494
02:36:27,900 --> 02:36:31,500
Not the Lord unto his servants.
I give them to you a warning,

2495
02:36:31,500 --> 02:36:42,300
don't yet again his style to
give his Revelation.

2496
02:36:42,300 --> 02:36:45,300
He said, if you wanted to know
Revelation, you should seek the

2497
02:36:45,300 --> 02:36:47,000
words of him, who knows the mind
of God.

2498
02:36:47,000 --> 02:36:49,500
And so he said it, brings the
people on your left,

2499
02:36:49,500 --> 02:36:52,500
condemnation to not be giving
the bus at the lower Revelations

2500
02:36:52,500 --> 02:36:57,400
that they won't follow.
So I'm not having Revelations on

2501
02:36:57,400 --> 02:37:00,300
important things.
Like we think the endowment,

2502
02:37:00,300 --> 02:37:02,100
ceremony is absolutely
important.

2503
02:37:02,100 --> 02:37:04,800
Beautiful.
And vital to the gutter to the

2504
02:37:04,800 --> 02:37:07,500
priesthood and understanding the
plan of the Gospel.

2505
02:37:07,500 --> 02:37:10,800
We think that, you know, the
higher Temple ordinances are

2506
02:37:10,800 --> 02:37:15,300
important wear it.
So we have the energy, 132

2507
02:37:15,300 --> 02:37:18,600
laying out, Eternal Marriage,
as, and it's doctrinal.

2508
02:37:19,800 --> 02:37:21,900
MLP.
EG 124 that lays out.

2509
02:37:21,900 --> 02:37:25,000
We're going to reveal new
ordinances to you and listening

2510
02:37:25,000 --> 02:37:28,300
to the temple but we don't
actually have any Revelation.

2511
02:37:28,300 --> 02:37:30,000
Weirdos.
This is actually the Lord's

2512
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:34,400
telling me recording Revelation
in his lifetime saying the

2513
02:37:34,400 --> 02:37:36,700
Lord's Tommy actually need give
the stuff to you before the

2514
02:37:36,700 --> 02:37:38,900
temple is completed.
We have to go off of other

2515
02:37:38,900 --> 02:37:42,300
people's word such as asthma
said that to them in those Polly

2516
02:37:42,300 --> 02:37:45,200
order and we don't actually have
the Revelation.

2517
02:37:45,200 --> 02:37:47,900
Instituting, the endowment
ceremony are instituting.

2518
02:37:47,900 --> 02:37:51,900
The second anointing, we just,
we, we know they're hinted at in

2519
02:37:51,900 --> 02:37:54,800
the other Revelations, but we
don't actually have, since

2520
02:37:54,800 --> 02:37:57,600
you're the one who's that quote
from Brigham Young saying that

2521
02:37:57,600 --> 02:38:01,800
as he was working on those
things that the way to

2522
02:38:01,800 --> 02:38:05,200
reconstruct that statue atop by
Joseph Smith, came back to him,

2523
02:38:05,200 --> 02:38:09,500
right?
That was coming from Brigham.

2524
02:38:09,500 --> 02:38:13,200
Young testifying that this is
what brought Joseph Smith taught

2525
02:38:13,200 --> 02:38:17,500
as far as what this is.
He's not saying that it's okay

2526
02:38:17,500 --> 02:38:21,000
to use up for the temple doctor
by Brigham Young thing that he's

2527
02:38:21,000 --> 02:38:23,000
teaching at the temple.
Doctors, that these ordinances

2528
02:38:23,000 --> 02:38:27,700
are only for those are certain
lineage and blood who should

2529
02:38:27,700 --> 02:38:30,500
receive them that you're saying
that you just kind of probably

2530
02:38:30,500 --> 02:38:33,400
making his own ideas up, this
kind of what your position is

2531
02:38:33,400 --> 02:38:37,000
well as he puts forced himself,
he did not introduce the priests

2532
02:38:37,000 --> 02:38:41,700
of bad with the temple.
And you taught it before.

2533
02:38:41,700 --> 02:38:45,600
They did the Nauvoo temple on
January 1845, he said that the

2534
02:38:45,600 --> 02:38:48,400
children is ill because they mix
their blood and they lost the

2535
02:38:48,400 --> 02:38:54,500
recent not type, did not type to
Joseph Smith in his never tied

2536
02:38:54,500 --> 02:38:58,700
it to Joseph Smith and any of
his writings before the temple

2537
02:38:58,700 --> 02:39:01,800
ordinances.
So I would not be surprised that

2538
02:39:01,800 --> 02:39:03,600
he would take those two things
and put them together.

2539
02:39:05,400 --> 02:39:10,400
So as long as he doesn't, but he
doesn't say if a quart of

2540
02:39:10,400 --> 02:39:13,200
reconstructing the temple, he
does not say there's a Christian

2541
02:39:13,200 --> 02:39:17,600
band, even there, we know that
he believes there's one at this

2542
02:39:17,600 --> 02:39:20,800
point.
But that that's not in the

2543
02:39:20,800 --> 02:39:24,200
quote.
He said, it's so the quote that

2544
02:39:24,200 --> 02:39:27,000
was earlier in that same stories
that I'm in time for the keys to

2545
02:39:27,000 --> 02:39:28,800
the precinct.
Going to lineage the set and

2546
02:39:28,800 --> 02:39:30,300
blood is Thor's brother's
keeper.

2547
02:39:30,300 --> 02:39:33,400
See terrible and many others
were taken King, Li power and

2548
02:39:33,400 --> 02:39:36,300
grades of the priesthood this we
would have taught in the Temple

2549
02:39:36,300 --> 02:39:38,500
of Time at permitted.
Joseph Smith was entitled to the

2550
02:39:38,500 --> 02:39:40,800
keys, to the priests required,
to blood silly with the port

2551
02:39:40,800 --> 02:39:42,200
Sun.
But when we get another temple

2552
02:39:42,200 --> 02:39:44,500
built, we will teach you
concerning these things.

2553
02:39:44,500 --> 02:39:47,400
We talked about Lineage 2 set in
blood being connected to the

2554
02:39:47,400 --> 02:39:53,800
fire temple related ordinances.
So About he's talking about his

2555
02:39:53,800 --> 02:39:59,000
blood and Joseph Smith blood.
Yeah, and Joseph Smith's blood,

2556
02:39:59,000 --> 02:40:03,600
he didn't say that.
He didn't say anything about a

2557
02:40:03,600 --> 02:40:07,000
certain race of people that are
particularly Kirsten forbidden

2558
02:40:07,000 --> 02:40:12,600
to receive those ordinances.
It is a two years earlier that's

2559
02:40:12,600 --> 02:40:16,500
the repeat that the Israelites
were not to intermarry with the

2560
02:40:16,500 --> 02:40:23,000
other races.
So two years earlier and it was

2561
02:40:23,000 --> 02:40:26,000
referencing the same ideas about
lineage descent and blood.

2562
02:40:26,000 --> 02:40:33,100
He's talking about those things.
So he's got these ideas and he's

2563
02:40:33,100 --> 02:40:35,000
in, he repeats them, he's been
teaching them.

2564
02:40:35,000 --> 02:40:38,200
But again, it doesn't matter, it
does not go back to it.

2565
02:40:38,200 --> 02:40:40,200
He says it.
He almost pretty much says he

2566
02:40:40,200 --> 02:40:42,800
does does when he when he first
introduced as the priests of

2567
02:40:42,800 --> 02:40:46,400
ban.
Well, very well at the very

2568
02:40:46,400 --> 02:40:50,200
least.
He's suggesting that that this

2569
02:40:50,200 --> 02:40:54,300
is you haven't heard this
before, but trust me, trust me

2570
02:40:54,300 --> 02:40:57,200
as a reference in the priesthood
that you were referencing.

2571
02:40:57,200 --> 02:41:01,900
The children of the Negroes,
being the children of Cain and

2572
02:41:01,900 --> 02:41:03,600
he said, no, Prophet said it
before.

2573
02:41:03,600 --> 02:41:06,700
I'm telling you it now.
And let me know that Joseph

2574
02:41:06,700 --> 02:41:09,100
Smith said that the Negro came
to.

2575
02:41:09,100 --> 02:41:26,800
So what he says in that does not
You're quoting from the Wilford

2576
02:41:26,800 --> 02:41:30,500
Woodruff account.
I'm, I'm, I'm reading the full,

2577
02:41:30,500 --> 02:41:37,600
George teapot Pittman, or as he
says, Lexi.

2578
02:41:39,600 --> 02:41:43,500
Is there never was a prophet or
Apostle of Jesus Christ was

2579
02:41:43,500 --> 02:41:45,800
spoken.
Before I tell you, this people

2580
02:41:45,800 --> 02:41:48,000
that are commonly called
Negroes, are the children of old

2581
02:41:48,000 --> 02:41:49,400
Kane.
I know they are.

2582
02:41:49,400 --> 02:41:52,200
I know they can a rule in the
preseason for the curse on them

2583
02:41:52,200 --> 02:41:54,300
that was remain on them until
the rest of the posterity of

2584
02:41:54,300 --> 02:41:57,600
Michael and his wife received
the blessing to see if I would

2585
02:41:57,600 --> 02:42:00,300
ever see that they had not been
had they not been cursed.

2586
02:42:00,300 --> 02:42:02,700
So that was a Christian man
right there.

2587
02:42:02,700 --> 02:42:09,000
Never was a proper apology.
Just before I tell you, this

2588
02:42:09,000 --> 02:42:11,800
people are commonly called
Negroes, are the children of old

2589
02:42:11,800 --> 02:42:15,100
came.
I know they are, I know they

2590
02:42:15,100 --> 02:42:16,800
cannot bear you on the priests
of you.

2591
02:42:16,800 --> 02:42:19,300
Staying, you knows the Negroes
are the charl, okay?

2592
02:42:19,300 --> 02:42:22,400
Because if there wasn't a proper
apostolate, smoke it before.

2593
02:42:22,400 --> 02:42:26,200
But we know that Joseph Smith
said it in his lifetime that

2594
02:42:26,200 --> 02:42:28,500
they were the children of
change, that doesn't negate that

2595
02:42:29,900 --> 02:42:31,900
That's it.
This is the introduction to a

2596
02:42:31,900 --> 02:42:33,700
sermon where he's presenting
many ideas.

2597
02:42:33,700 --> 02:42:38,300
Yeah, yeah.
But that's a statement to give

2598
02:42:38,300 --> 02:42:43,200
context to where he's going.
Is introducing the subject of

2599
02:42:43,200 --> 02:42:45,800
what he's introducing as a
priest to Bam.

2600
02:42:45,800 --> 02:42:53,400
Actually, a governmental ban as
well, but we know that we know

2601
02:42:53,400 --> 02:42:58,000
that Charlie Pratt said it in,
March 3rd, 1847 in reference to

2602
02:42:58,008 --> 02:43:02,000
William, McCary, In reference to
yeah, in reference to what we

2603
02:43:02,000 --> 02:43:06,500
may carry.
And that's right around the time

2604
02:43:06,500 --> 02:43:13,300
when which other was supposed to
be interesting, I've got the

2605
02:43:13,300 --> 02:43:16,200
notes here that so, William and
Harry, who was Lee.

2606
02:43:16,200 --> 02:43:21,000
McCary he was an African
American who was joined the

2607
02:43:21,000 --> 02:43:22,600
church.
He was trying to pass himself

2608
02:43:22,600 --> 02:43:26,600
off as an Indian actually made a
career out.

2609
02:43:26,600 --> 02:43:29,200
I'm going around to different
places and pretending to be an

2610
02:43:29,200 --> 02:43:31,600
Indian.
Well not just any though.

2611
02:43:31,600 --> 02:43:34,000
He was also claiming he was
black.

2612
02:43:34,900 --> 02:43:37,500
Will you read the minutes of the
March?

2613
02:43:37,500 --> 02:43:39,400
1847 meeting with bringing
young?

2614
02:43:39,400 --> 02:43:42,500
He says that they're calling me
and where I came into this world

2615
02:43:42,500 --> 02:43:45,500
Redman.
I'm going to come out right man.

2616
02:43:45,500 --> 02:43:51,900
Minutes here.
I can pull up the same minutes

2617
02:43:51,900 --> 02:43:58,900
to.
March 1847.

2618
02:44:07,600 --> 02:44:15,400
And he was complaining my self
to you, as my brothers and my

2619
02:44:15,400 --> 02:44:19,800
leader, I am satisfied by you.
And then some places, I am

2620
02:44:19,800 --> 02:44:23,500
hypocritically abused.
The Bishops, have counseled, the

2621
02:44:23,500 --> 02:44:26,000
people not to suffer such a
stranger, has me in their

2622
02:44:26,008 --> 02:44:28,400
wigwams.
Some say there goes the, old

2623
02:44:28,400 --> 02:44:34,100
n-word and his white wife today.
Some of the sisters said that

2624
02:44:34,100 --> 02:44:36,800
the man that brother Brigham
tells his family to treat with

2625
02:44:36,800 --> 02:44:40,600
disrespect several.
All I ask is, will you protect

2626
02:44:40,600 --> 02:44:41,700
me?
I've come here and giving myself

2627
02:44:41,700 --> 02:44:44,300
out to the your servant.
So he's presenting himself

2628
02:44:44,300 --> 02:44:49,800
saying I'm being persecuted.
You can play me a skate, it over

2629
02:44:49,800 --> 02:44:54,200
my rent and some people are
saying that this is being

2630
02:44:54,200 --> 02:44:58,300
sanctioned by Brigham Young.
So bring me on answers says,

2631
02:44:58,300 --> 02:45:01,100
it's nothing to do with the
blood for of one.

2632
02:45:01,100 --> 02:45:05,600
Blood has God made All Flesh, we
have to repent and regain.

2633
02:45:05,600 --> 02:45:10,200
What we have lost, we have one
of the best Elders, an app for

2634
02:45:10,200 --> 02:45:13,600
Canon Lowell, a barber and not
speaking of Walker Lewis.

2635
02:45:13,600 --> 02:45:17,400
So Brigham Young's, assuring him
that hey, no, no, there's

2636
02:45:17,400 --> 02:45:19,300
nothing.
There's nothing different

2637
02:45:19,300 --> 02:45:22,500
between us and in terms of blood
in regards to race.

2638
02:45:22,500 --> 02:45:28,700
In fact, we also have an African
brother Out in in Lowell.

2639
02:45:28,700 --> 02:45:35,400
And then William replies, I
thought it well to come and

2640
02:45:35,400 --> 02:45:37,300
Report myself to the heads of
the church.

2641
02:45:37,300 --> 02:45:41,400
If I am a darky, I want to serve
God and Brigham Young says amen.

2642
02:45:42,700 --> 02:45:46,200
And he goes on, I am very much
obliged to meet you in love and

2643
02:45:46,200 --> 02:45:48,800
gratitude those that are not my
friends.

2644
02:45:48,800 --> 02:45:52,900
I want them to tell me if you
have anything in your hearts

2645
02:45:52,900 --> 02:45:56,100
that you may as well.
Tell me he is, I shall know in

2646
02:45:56,100 --> 02:45:59,400
48 hours, I want you to
intercede for me.

2647
02:45:59,400 --> 02:46:03,700
I am not a president or a leader
of people but a common brother

2648
02:46:03,700 --> 02:46:06,200
because I am a little shade
darker.

2649
02:46:06,200 --> 02:46:11,100
So again he's saying I want to
be able to go back to my friends

2650
02:46:11,100 --> 02:46:14,200
and say that you know whether
you are saying sanctioning this

2651
02:46:14,200 --> 02:46:17,800
persecution, I'm receiving I
want to die when I leave here.

2652
02:46:17,800 --> 02:46:20,800
I want to be able to say that
Brigham Young told me that it's

2653
02:46:20,800 --> 02:46:25,000
not right for you to to Traverse
qme in premium, says, or is

2654
02:46:25,000 --> 02:46:27,300
there he's asking, is there
something in your hearts that,

2655
02:46:27,300 --> 02:46:29,300
you know, that you did tell me
about the situation?

2656
02:46:29,300 --> 02:46:31,800
And let's remember to that.
Will you make Harry is married

2657
02:46:31,800 --> 02:46:36,600
to a white woman.
And then bringing young says, we

2658
02:46:36,600 --> 02:46:39,600
do not care about the color.
And then the Carrie says, do I

2659
02:46:39,600 --> 02:46:44,200
hear that from all?
I also all the apostles right

2660
02:46:44,200 --> 02:46:48,800
there, agree with him and let's
see who's that.

2661
02:46:48,800 --> 02:46:59,100
CK, that's Who would that be?
Okay.

2662
02:46:59,100 --> 02:47:00,900
Don't you feel a good spirit
here?

2663
02:47:00,900 --> 02:47:03,700
Brother.
William McCarey says yes, thank

2664
02:47:03,700 --> 02:47:06,700
God.
And then conversation with Emily

2665
02:47:06,700 --> 02:47:11,300
McCarty breaking in others in
the 12 Coram meetings in that is

2666
02:47:11,300 --> 02:47:14,500
26th of March 1847, winter
quarters.

2667
02:47:15,400 --> 02:47:20,100
Now we know that would
ultimately ended up happening.

2668
02:47:20,100 --> 02:47:24,500
Was he borrowed money?
I gave him a bunch of money to

2669
02:47:24,500 --> 02:47:27,400
show Goodwill a bunch of money
so that he can go out west.

2670
02:47:27,400 --> 02:47:31,200
Meanwhile, he went around
committing adultery with at

2671
02:47:31,200 --> 02:47:33,700
least one it whatever.
I want to hit him with a bunch

2672
02:47:33,700 --> 02:47:37,200
of the women there and when
bring them finds out about it,

2673
02:47:37,200 --> 02:47:39,800
he's, he is rightfully really,
really upset.

2674
02:47:39,800 --> 02:47:42,900
He was swindled.
McCary, is it like a Johnson

2675
02:47:42,900 --> 02:47:46,100
been a type of the character
here and her dinner with this

2676
02:47:46,100 --> 02:47:50,200
false pretense.
The false humility and took

2677
02:47:50,200 --> 02:47:54,000
advantage and scammed and abused
the trust that was given to him

2678
02:47:54,000 --> 02:47:58,100
but this again is 1847 and
winter quarters.

2679
02:47:58,100 --> 02:48:02,800
If You would expect that if
there was some sort of a, of a

2680
02:48:02,800 --> 02:48:05,700
priest the band that really
needs to be communicated and

2681
02:48:05,700 --> 02:48:08,300
that he really shouldn't have
taken that white wife and

2682
02:48:08,300 --> 02:48:15,400
frankly, according to pick him
up later that year he should

2683
02:48:15,400 --> 02:48:18,000
have put me Kerry and his wife
and any children, he might have

2684
02:48:18,000 --> 02:48:21,900
had to death.
Work for interracial marriage.

2685
02:48:21,900 --> 02:48:26,300
According to Brigham Young's own
teachings later on that year and

2686
02:48:26,300 --> 02:48:31,600
I think it is highly reasonable
to suggest that Brigham Young.

2687
02:48:31,600 --> 02:48:34,500
Khan's here by the sky and end
in it painted.

2688
02:48:34,500 --> 02:48:38,000
His perspective of race.
Cuz right here he's here is

2689
02:48:38,008 --> 02:48:41,400
breaking down himself saying,
you know, it has nothing to do

2690
02:48:41,400 --> 02:48:44,900
with blood, we're all of one.
I've made all flash, one, glad

2691
02:48:44,900 --> 02:48:47,700
we all have to repent and regain
what we lost.

2692
02:48:47,700 --> 02:48:50,400
But there's no difference
between us other than that and

2693
02:48:50,400 --> 02:48:53,400
they describe a positive spirit
having teach you this.

2694
02:48:53,400 --> 02:48:55,500
And this is just brotherly, love
this outpouring.

2695
02:48:55,500 --> 02:49:02,200
And then it's literally In
April, when you have Harley

2696
02:49:02,200 --> 02:49:05,400
people Pratt say William Carey
was a black man with the blood

2697
02:49:05,400 --> 02:49:07,900
of Hammond him which lineage was
cursed as regards to the

2698
02:49:07,900 --> 02:49:12,000
priesthood.
And that's the party wasn't the

2699
02:49:12,000 --> 02:49:16,100
first person to mention that we,
we understand that William,

2700
02:49:16,100 --> 02:49:19,700
Applebee, in March of 1847
earlier about in March,

2701
02:49:19,700 --> 02:49:21,700
actually, reference, the priest
of that as well.

2702
02:49:21,700 --> 02:49:27,300
I don't know that reference Is
it in?

2703
02:49:27,300 --> 02:49:38,300
So some people said, try to.
Okay, so it's reference Journal,

2704
02:49:38,300 --> 02:49:41,100
but he probably this fits more
Utah.

2705
02:49:41,100 --> 02:49:42,900
Mormon.
So this is probably written

2706
02:49:42,900 --> 02:49:44,600
later.
Instead of when you saying you

2707
02:49:44,600 --> 02:49:47,800
wrote, it is kind of what they
try to say, but it it's in his

2708
02:49:47,800 --> 02:49:50,800
contemporary Journal.
It doesn't show up right.

2709
02:49:50,800 --> 02:49:54,400
And he was actually right
writing a letter to bring young

2710
02:49:54,400 --> 02:49:57,300
around that same time.
About Walker Lewis saying, hey,

2711
02:49:57,300 --> 02:49:59,900
this guy's presiding over this
branch.

2712
02:49:59,900 --> 02:50:03,400
Is it according to the laws of
the church burn African to hold

2713
02:50:03,400 --> 02:50:07,400
the hold office in an elder and
show you?

2714
02:50:07,400 --> 02:50:10,600
How does he claim?
He knows this before the

2715
02:50:10,600 --> 02:50:14,400
destruction copy the book of
Abraham Abraham chapter 1 into

2716
02:50:14,400 --> 02:50:19,000
his journal earlier and not be
when you visited Nabu again that

2717
02:50:19,000 --> 02:50:21,200
book of Abraham doesn't say that
black people aren't allowed to

2718
02:50:21,208 --> 02:50:22,800
help priest unless you interpret
it that way.

2719
02:50:26,100 --> 02:50:27,500
Just somebody who interpreted
it.

2720
02:50:27,500 --> 02:50:29,000
Breathe.
So that's not, that's not a

2721
02:50:29,000 --> 02:50:30,600
threat.
That's not coming from this.

2722
02:50:30,600 --> 02:50:31,900
I've been coming from Brigham
Young.

2723
02:50:31,900 --> 02:50:35,000
You're just a thought.
He had this idea that there

2724
02:50:35,000 --> 02:50:38,100
ought to be a priest of band
before parlee P Pratt taught it

2725
02:50:38,100 --> 02:50:41,100
to the church.
Yeah, and if you think probably

2726
02:50:41,100 --> 02:50:46,200
be proud with so this is
something that the I forgot the

2727
02:50:46,200 --> 02:50:49,000
name of the historian.
But there was a historian who

2728
02:50:49,000 --> 02:50:50,800
wrote kind of a rebuttal to
Lester Bush.

2729
02:50:50,800 --> 02:50:55,000
When he wrote an alternative you
and he said he didn't think the

2730
02:50:55,000 --> 02:50:56,300
probably be Pratt was
introducing.

2731
02:50:56,300 --> 02:50:59,200
A new doctor would probably be
Pratt still Justified to be

2732
02:50:59,200 --> 02:51:01,400
introducing.
A doctrine that was out of step

2733
02:51:01,400 --> 02:51:04,600
with the other Apostles in 1847
Aces.

2734
02:51:04,600 --> 02:51:08,200
It seems highly unlikely that
you was teaching something that

2735
02:51:08,200 --> 02:51:10,900
was out of line with what
everyone else believed.

2736
02:51:10,900 --> 02:51:14,900
And so you know, you bring up
the the blame and carry minutes.

2737
02:51:14,900 --> 02:51:18,100
I do think those are definitely
a challenge to the people are on

2738
02:51:18,100 --> 02:51:21,400
my side of the issue, but the
person who made me read look at

2739
02:51:21,400 --> 02:51:24,400
them and see them in a different
light was a historian named

2740
02:51:24,400 --> 02:51:26,900
Johnny, Johnny Stevenson, or
grin.

2741
02:51:26,900 --> 02:51:29,700
Dale is an online username.
He's an anti-mormon.

2742
02:51:29,700 --> 02:51:32,100
He doesn't have a dog in the
fight of the priests than either

2743
02:51:32,100 --> 02:51:36,400
way because he himself was
married to a black in his wife

2744
02:51:36,400 --> 02:51:42,600
was, his wife is African dust.
Is Blaze more of his store and

2745
02:51:42,600 --> 02:51:44,100
he's is it was a really good
historian.

2746
02:51:44,100 --> 02:51:54,900
I respect a man who didn't have
some kind of a dog and some kind

2747
02:51:54,900 --> 02:51:59,700
of a fight with Joseph Smith and
Brigham Young because they're

2748
02:51:59,700 --> 02:52:02,100
against it either way and I
think it's races, right?

2749
02:52:02,100 --> 02:52:07,600
And it starts at then it makes
Brigham Young look like he's

2750
02:52:07,600 --> 02:52:13,800
doing something different than
Joseph Smith is, it seems the

2751
02:52:13,808 --> 02:52:18,000
entirety of the restoration.
So here's my point, it out about

2752
02:52:18,000 --> 02:52:20,700
those minutes.
So McCary only points out that

2753
02:52:20,700 --> 02:52:24,200
he was being called the n-word
even though he claimed to be a

2754
02:52:24,200 --> 02:52:27,900
Native American, he said I came
in as a red man that want to go

2755
02:52:27,900 --> 02:52:30,800
out as a redneck.
It's a don't least backbiters

2756
02:52:30,800 --> 02:52:33,700
thinks I have feelings and I
wasn't Edward.

2757
02:52:33,700 --> 02:52:38,800
I got baptized, and I'm thankful
for it, but I'd like to be as a

2758
02:52:38,800 --> 02:52:42,700
n word as an Indian Many think
they are one and he was trying

2759
02:52:42,700 --> 02:52:45,900
to pass himself off as being a
little shade darker as being a

2760
02:52:45,900 --> 02:52:48,300
Native American rather than an
African.

2761
02:52:48,300 --> 02:52:51,400
But Brigham Young was saying
that we're welcoming to all

2762
02:52:51,400 --> 02:52:55,400
Races that are you think it was
nothing to do with what everyone

2763
02:52:55,400 --> 02:52:58,100
is?
Welcome to join our church and

2764
02:52:58,100 --> 02:53:02,200
he said, we even having a great
Elder and Walker Lewis who's a

2765
02:53:02,200 --> 02:53:03,900
barber and he's one of the best
Elders.

2766
02:53:03,900 --> 02:53:09,700
So, you know, what I do think
that's changed cuz I don't have

2767
02:53:09,700 --> 02:53:11,400
that actually fundamentally
changes in.

2768
02:53:11,400 --> 02:53:13,800
Even if that is true, that
doesn't fundamentally change

2769
02:53:13,800 --> 02:53:16,100
anything that I, that I quoted
from these men.

2770
02:53:16,100 --> 02:53:19,300
Well, I did change the contact
for Brigham Young.

2771
02:53:19,300 --> 02:53:22,300
They're not talking about priest
it at all, unless they're just

2772
02:53:22,300 --> 02:53:25,700
talking about membership in the
church and bring him.

2773
02:53:25,700 --> 02:53:29,700
Young goes so far as to say, you
were welcoming you as the Native

2774
02:53:29,700 --> 02:53:32,100
American, what we welcome, you
as an African as well.

2775
02:53:32,100 --> 02:53:34,800
It so they were welcoming all
Races into the church, but I

2776
02:53:34,808 --> 02:53:37,300
don't think, I don't think this
relationship because only a

2777
02:53:37,300 --> 02:53:42,400
month on February 16th.
Connect to Delaney.

2778
02:53:42,400 --> 02:53:46,700
It's just that.
Bloody just wasn't, absolutely.

2779
02:53:46,700 --> 02:53:52,100
I absolutely believe.
That's what Brian said.

2780
02:53:52,100 --> 02:53:55,200
He didn't say that the temple
ordinances are directly tied to

2781
02:53:55,208 --> 02:53:59,000
to a priest of any inch.
Can I ask a question here real

2782
02:53:59,000 --> 02:54:02,000
quick?
Just for my own clarification on

2783
02:54:02,000 --> 02:54:06,100
this real quick.
Jacob in Brigham, Young kind of

2784
02:54:07,600 --> 02:54:13,200
at least insinuate strongly that
there was a black man that held

2785
02:54:13,200 --> 02:54:15,000
the priesthood and he was a
great Elder.

2786
02:54:15,000 --> 02:54:23,000
He says, one of our best Elders
in African and Lowell Ave

2787
02:54:23,000 --> 02:54:24,800
Barber.
So I don't think it's possible

2788
02:54:24,800 --> 02:54:28,000
that Brigham Young all the time
because McCary ended up being a

2789
02:54:28,000 --> 02:54:31,900
scoundrel decided to be racist
because she knew the light table

2790
02:54:31,900 --> 02:54:34,800
was a good guy.
He knew Walker Lewis was a good

2791
02:54:34,800 --> 02:54:38,200
guy, he wasn't crying, and he
later on in early.

2792
02:54:38,200 --> 02:54:40,900
Utah said that there are some
black guys worship list, but

2793
02:54:40,900 --> 02:54:42,800
that there's many white
mentorship was too.

2794
02:54:42,800 --> 02:54:45,800
So I don't think that you could
describe Brigham, Young's

2795
02:54:45,800 --> 02:54:49,300
attitude is William & Carey
slept with a bunch of women.

2796
02:54:49,300 --> 02:54:51,100
So Brigham Young decide to
become racist.

2797
02:54:51,100 --> 02:54:58,600
I don't find that a possible
thing is after this though, I

2798
02:54:58,600 --> 02:55:01,400
mean, Elijah able prior to this
has worked his way up to become

2799
02:55:01,400 --> 02:55:03,100
a 70.
He's gone on missions.

2800
02:55:03,100 --> 02:55:07,900
He's he's converted p-please.
Baptized people. 70s.

2801
02:55:07,900 --> 02:55:09,900
In the early.
There is tons of 70s in the

2802
02:55:09,908 --> 02:55:12,200
early days of the church.
It was just a traveling and I

2803
02:55:12,200 --> 02:55:16,500
have a story.
Actually, Elijah able, the

2804
02:55:16,500 --> 02:55:19,600
member who is, who is, who is
who was baptized Elijah able

2805
02:55:19,600 --> 02:55:26,800
1830, the early late 1830s, I
understand.

2806
02:55:26,800 --> 02:55:32,400
So that's that's doesn't have
the priests that he was cursed

2807
02:55:32,400 --> 02:55:34,900
to it, except he can speak at
the seventies meeting.

2808
02:55:34,900 --> 02:55:38,300
He goes on missions.
He's, he's, he's baptizing

2809
02:55:38,300 --> 02:55:41,600
people.
He had the priest that it's very

2810
02:55:41,600 --> 02:55:43,600
clear.
He had the priests of those that

2811
02:55:43,600 --> 02:55:45,800
he was.
I think I best.

2812
02:55:45,800 --> 02:55:48,500
You could argue that these were
men that were permitted as the

2813
02:55:48,500 --> 02:55:52,600
exceptions is and that's the
most, that's the best you can

2814
02:55:52,600 --> 02:56:04,000
for a John Taylor's Steakhouse
at the least at the least, the

2815
02:56:04,000 --> 02:56:05,100
church.
You don't get priest.

2816
02:56:05,100 --> 02:56:08,700
The green flight was another.
We didn't get into anything and

2817
02:56:08,700 --> 02:56:16,500
you didn't get his hand down his
everybody.

2818
02:56:16,500 --> 02:56:19,400
Not everybody did Mike, my
grandfather is real Barlow

2819
02:56:19,400 --> 02:56:23,900
helped, build that Temple.
And and I, when I went through

2820
02:56:23,908 --> 02:56:25,400
the records his name was not on
it.

2821
02:56:25,400 --> 02:56:28,200
When I went, I went through the
entire list of those early

2822
02:56:28,200 --> 02:56:32,200
endowments and his talking with
his name was not on the list.

2823
02:56:32,200 --> 02:56:34,700
We I do know from family
history, it eventually did

2824
02:56:34,700 --> 02:56:37,700
receive his endowment and a
second anointing, but at that

2825
02:56:37,700 --> 02:56:40,400
time he didn't and he helped
build the temple.

2826
02:56:40,400 --> 02:56:44,400
You can't just look at one
person and say, well, that's a

2827
02:56:44,408 --> 02:56:46,000
person who is Black.
You didn't get the priests.

2828
02:56:46,000 --> 02:56:47,500
And therefore, they must have
been being prohibited.

2829
02:56:47,500 --> 02:56:51,900
It was being done by Revelation
clearly, at least that's what I

2830
02:56:51,900 --> 02:56:53,300
believe.
I believe it was being done by

2831
02:56:53,300 --> 02:56:57,400
Revelation and if somebody was
not given the priesthood prior

2832
02:56:57,400 --> 02:57:01,900
to that point, it was because
the person who is administering

2833
02:57:01,900 --> 02:57:04,600
a priest that have not received
that Revelation, but the very

2834
02:57:04,600 --> 02:57:09,200
fact that that Elijah Abel was
called into the priesthood.

2835
02:57:10,300 --> 02:57:13,400
And worked his way up and into
the priesthood as it into.

2836
02:57:13,400 --> 02:57:18,400
This is a 70 shows that either
Joseph Smith was letting things

2837
02:57:18,400 --> 02:57:21,200
go off the rails or whoever was
receiving the Revelation for Dan

2838
02:57:21,200 --> 02:57:25,600
was off the rails.
Or there was no problem at that

2839
02:57:25,600 --> 02:57:32,100
time, it was when he was 18.
He was only able was only 18

2840
02:57:32,100 --> 02:57:39,600
lakh and like I mentioned I'm
Joseph F Smith wasn't a one drop

2841
02:57:39,600 --> 02:57:43,100
guy and I don't think Brigham
Young was either and Joseph

2842
02:57:43,100 --> 02:57:46,500
Smith, drew, the line at 112th
is where is what he drew the

2843
02:57:46,500 --> 02:58:02,100
line later on.
So I wasn't able to receive

2844
02:58:02,100 --> 02:58:05,100
these blessings because he have
the white blood in him.

2845
02:58:05,600 --> 02:58:09,600
Then would it not make absolute
sense than to pursue the same

2846
02:58:09,600 --> 02:58:11,700
course that Joseph Smith?
Suggested with the Native

2847
02:58:11,700 --> 02:58:14,700
Americans is to take them as
wife's.

2848
02:58:14,700 --> 02:58:18,000
Let's interbreed so that that so
that the, the blood that would

2849
02:58:18,000 --> 02:58:20,300
allow all of them and their
descendants to hold the

2850
02:58:20,308 --> 02:58:23,700
priesthood can be can be among
them and yeah, that's not what,

2851
02:58:23,700 --> 02:58:25,500
you know.
That's the exact opposite Joseph

2852
02:58:25,500 --> 02:58:27,300
Smith said, hey, here's accursed
people.

2853
02:58:27,300 --> 02:58:30,500
Who'd been cursed and we're
going to interview the way.

2854
02:58:30,500 --> 02:58:32,600
We're going to let that curses.
We're going to intermarry with

2855
02:58:32,600 --> 02:58:34,600
them.
You just believe they let her

2856
02:58:34,600 --> 02:58:37,800
marriage with the Native
Americans but with the African

2857
02:58:37,800 --> 02:58:42,000
she said put them on can find
them by strict law to their own

2858
02:58:42,000 --> 02:58:47,900
species except when he suggested
sending the Mexico United States

2859
02:58:47,900 --> 02:58:52,800
where they could still marry in
a merry.

2860
02:58:52,800 --> 02:58:55,700
Whatever I said they wanted even
declares that they can marry

2861
02:58:55,700 --> 02:58:58,500
freely mescaline sending the
Mexico where that we don't have

2862
02:58:58,500 --> 02:59:01,900
these issues.
That that shows that political

2863
02:59:01,900 --> 02:59:08,000
necessity, not not a a doctrinal
Prohibition.

2864
02:59:08,000 --> 02:59:09,600
Otherwise don't send a New
Mexico.

2865
02:59:09,600 --> 02:59:11,800
I'll be able to interbreed.
There was white people.

2866
02:59:11,800 --> 02:59:14,700
What why did he find black man
for trying to marry white women

2867
02:59:14,700 --> 02:59:17,700
in 1844?
What's up?

2868
02:59:17,700 --> 02:59:20,900
You find two black men for
trying to marry white women.

2869
02:59:20,900 --> 02:59:23,800
In February 1844.
He wrote about in his journal.

2870
02:59:23,800 --> 02:59:28,600
Was it the law at the time?
It was the lava city of nobility

2871
02:59:28,600 --> 02:59:32,000
find the one black man $5.
You find the other one $25 for

2872
02:59:32,000 --> 02:59:37,900
attempting to do it probably
because that was the law. but he

2873
02:59:37,900 --> 02:59:41,000
wanted to enforce the law and
even gave one guy a bigger, find

2874
02:59:41,000 --> 02:59:47,800
a significant that's a lot more
money than today, sir but again

2875
02:59:47,800 --> 02:59:50,800
is enforcing he's enforcing a
city statute that has been set

2876
02:59:50,800 --> 03:00:04,500
up and he hadn't he can have So
we agree that Joseph wasn't

2877
03:00:04,500 --> 03:00:08,000
really big on intermarried with
the African Americans, right?

2878
03:00:08,000 --> 03:00:10,500
Yeah.
But you're a butt.

2879
03:00:10,500 --> 03:00:13,400
You're assigning motive to and
I'm saying it's not fair to sign

2880
03:00:13,400 --> 03:00:17,300
and you're signing the motives
that it's because you're

2881
03:00:17,300 --> 03:00:19,100
presuming, he knows of this
curse of Canaan.

2882
03:00:19,100 --> 03:00:22,100
This can't be allowed and I
would say if that was the case,

2883
03:00:22,108 --> 03:00:25,700
then why would he allow them to
go to Mexico and the album

2884
03:00:25,700 --> 03:00:30,000
intermarry there?
Which would spread the the curse

2885
03:00:30,000 --> 03:00:33,100
of this young so you two can
among among another one.

2886
03:00:33,100 --> 03:00:45,700
Exactly.
So Again and finding them to

2887
03:00:45,700 --> 03:00:47,300
their own race.
Sending them to Mexico is not

2888
03:00:47,300 --> 03:00:51,400
confine them to their own race.
So the last thing that I feel is

2889
03:00:51,400 --> 03:00:54,700
pretty compelling to argue that
the star was Joseph Smith, is

2890
03:00:54,700 --> 03:00:58,900
that William Smith, Joseph,
Smith's brother, and his

2891
03:00:58,900 --> 03:01:00,600
magazine.
So he separate from the other

2892
03:01:00,600 --> 03:01:05,100
Apostles in 1851, I mean, in
1845, she's me like less than a

2893
03:01:05,100 --> 03:01:10,500
year after the next summer.
He is done in and tries to take

2894
03:01:10,500 --> 03:01:12,300
over the church gets
excommunicated.

2895
03:01:12,300 --> 03:01:16,100
He starts his own church.
She tries to join with us is

2896
03:01:16,100 --> 03:01:20,600
around, but you can try to do
his own church in the late 1840s

2897
03:01:20,600 --> 03:01:25,600
early 1850s.
And he interesting Lee reference

2898
03:01:25,600 --> 03:01:31,600
and some of these Priests of
racial ideas in his magazine in

2899
03:01:31,600 --> 03:01:34,800
1850.
And this is before Brigham.

2900
03:01:34,800 --> 03:01:37,900
Young's anyting Brigham Young
said about it is published in

2901
03:01:37,900 --> 03:01:40,300
early Utah.
And so, and he had separate from

2902
03:01:40,300 --> 03:01:45,300
the other Apostles 18-49 yet and
its newspaper Harold in

2903
03:01:45,300 --> 03:01:56,700
February, b1850 arguing and hide
or any kind of attack to bring

2904
03:01:56,700 --> 03:01:59,500
it might saying that worse than
what we're date a black man to

2905
03:01:59,500 --> 03:02:03,600
marry white women as a way to
attempt to discredit which is

2906
03:02:03,600 --> 03:02:09,800
William.
I don't see any compelling

2907
03:02:09,800 --> 03:02:14,000
evidence for but in this he
references, you know he tries to

2908
03:02:14,000 --> 03:02:17,700
attack the brink of mites the
number of ways and he tries to

2909
03:02:17,700 --> 03:02:21,300
call Brigham Brigham Young.
I like the Joseph Smith.

2910
03:02:21,300 --> 03:02:25,500
Told Dave, bring a blessing
saying that you was the lineage

2911
03:02:25,500 --> 03:02:32,300
of came through the lines of him
and that quote.

2912
03:02:32,300 --> 03:02:36,300
Rest in heaven and became devil.
So, it's again, referencing.

2913
03:02:36,300 --> 03:02:38,900
Receiving the curse in the
pre-existence.

2914
03:02:38,900 --> 03:02:42,400
And so, after publishing the
first two chapters of the book

2915
03:02:42,400 --> 03:02:47,400
at Abraham Williams, Including a
Q&A with rev asking questions

2916
03:02:47,400 --> 03:02:50,800
about the doctors talk in it.
It's a did Noah curse time as

2917
03:02:50,800 --> 03:02:52,800
pertains to the priesthood at
Searcy.

2918
03:02:52,800 --> 03:02:55,400
This verse in the book of
Abraham, was the lineage of ham

2919
03:02:55,400 --> 03:02:58,000
cut from the right of the
priests, it at Searcy disperse,

2920
03:02:58,000 --> 03:03:11,400
a group of personal and answers
answer, see this until the

2921
03:03:11,400 --> 03:03:17,900
different purses and Abraham
1:26-27 and so this is another

2922
03:03:17,900 --> 03:03:21,000
compelling.
So do you miss man is a profit.

2923
03:03:21,000 --> 03:03:23,900
I'm just I'm saying where is he
getting this from?

2924
03:03:23,900 --> 03:03:27,700
If she just deciding to
misinterpret the book of Abraham

2925
03:03:27,700 --> 03:03:33,300
and coming up with the same idea
lying about, is he lying, about

2926
03:03:33,300 --> 03:03:45,500
a blessing to Brigham Young
received argue against the Why

2927
03:03:45,500 --> 03:03:48,700
would he be trying to do that?
If I didn't have any weights, if

2928
03:03:48,700 --> 03:03:52,400
you knew that, that, if you, if
you went down that Joseph Smith,

2929
03:03:52,400 --> 03:03:53,800
didn't introduce these
doctrines.

2930
03:03:53,800 --> 03:03:58,300
But instead he's arguing for
these doctrines, yeah, he's

2931
03:03:58,300 --> 03:04:02,700
arguing for these friends and he
seems to be a pretty bad guy to

2932
03:04:02,700 --> 03:04:13,700
be exact same things in 1850
that the people in the early

2933
03:04:13,700 --> 03:04:17,000
Utah, trying to discuss and
bring me, I'm starting to become

2934
03:04:17,000 --> 03:04:22,800
very explicit about because I'll
probably be proud was talking

2935
03:04:22,800 --> 03:04:31,700
about this and 4747 So I mean,
you know this is three years

2936
03:04:31,700 --> 03:04:35,800
later.
I don't like a crazy guy if he

2937
03:04:35,800 --> 03:04:38,000
was around in Winter quarters
when they were having those

2938
03:04:38,000 --> 03:04:44,200
discussions 1845 you don't think
you don't think that talk from

2939
03:04:44,200 --> 03:04:46,900
Brigham Young that says that if
you do if you cross this line

2940
03:04:46,900 --> 03:04:49,300
we're going to kill you and your
family wouldn't get around

2941
03:04:49,300 --> 03:04:55,400
within 3 years.
Why would why would William be

2942
03:04:55,400 --> 03:04:58,200
trying to just say that they're
okay with ordained blacks.

2943
03:04:58,200 --> 03:05:00,600
If you do that, Brigham Young
thing that will kill you.

2944
03:05:00,600 --> 03:05:06,800
If you do this. he's attacking
Brigham Young because cuz he's

2945
03:05:06,800 --> 03:05:12,300
using Brigham Young's own words
against him because he's He's

2946
03:05:12,300 --> 03:05:16,000
obviously supporting the band
himself, which I can I do it

2947
03:05:16,000 --> 03:05:18,800
goes to and I think it goes a
long ways to show that the

2948
03:05:18,800 --> 03:05:24,800
character of the people that are
kind of proclaiming this and we

2949
03:05:24,800 --> 03:05:27,100
have him lying about Brigham
Young.

2950
03:05:27,100 --> 03:05:31,200
So we had this already is a
dishonest person of very

2951
03:05:31,200 --> 03:05:33,900
questionable repute, somebody
like a William law.

2952
03:05:34,800 --> 03:05:39,600
And he's criticizing Brigham
Young because they allowed

2953
03:05:39,600 --> 03:05:44,300
people like Elijah table and
Walker Lewis in their Church,

2954
03:05:44,300 --> 03:05:46,700
which is a historical fact at
this point.

2955
03:05:48,500 --> 03:05:53,100
I don't see, I don't see what
this has to do, with Joseph

2956
03:05:53,100 --> 03:05:57,200
Smith teaching, the band at all.
I mean you already you already

2957
03:05:57,200 --> 03:05:59,600
mentioned this other guy who
does not claim it came from

2958
03:05:59,600 --> 03:06:02,900
Joseph Smith had the idea on his
own just from Reading Abraham

2959
03:06:02,900 --> 03:06:04,400
and wrote about it in his
journal.

2960
03:06:04,400 --> 03:06:10,000
Well he said that he was Abraham
and he thought that this was you

2961
03:06:10,000 --> 03:06:14,000
wrote it down as he wasn't
trying to be prejudiced against

2962
03:06:14,000 --> 03:06:16,700
Walker Lewis.
He says he was an example for

2963
03:06:16,700 --> 03:06:19,300
his more white, his wider
Brethren to follow.

2964
03:06:19,300 --> 03:06:22,200
He wasn't trying to be right in
that journal.

2965
03:06:22,200 --> 03:06:26,600
That Joseph Smith caught it.
Because he wasn't in the about

2966
03:06:26,600 --> 03:06:28,600
you as a guy out yeast.
I know.

2967
03:06:28,600 --> 03:06:31,000
Is that a yes or no?
Did did.

2968
03:06:31,000 --> 03:06:32,600
Did he say that Joseph Smith
started?

2969
03:06:33,600 --> 03:06:40,500
I am saying that you understood
it and marches 1847 so I'm and

2970
03:06:40,500 --> 03:06:43,400
he basically figured it out on
his own or did he say he was

2971
03:06:43,400 --> 03:06:48,200
taught it by Joseph Smith?
So Anna and I never said that

2972
03:06:48,200 --> 03:06:49,700
you said it was started by
Joseph Smith.

2973
03:06:49,700 --> 03:06:54,100
I didn't say that.
I said, is that these ideas

2974
03:06:54,100 --> 03:06:58,900
we're clearly being taught in
early 1847 by people who weren't

2975
03:06:58,900 --> 03:07:06,300
Brigham Young and it wouldn't be
the first of all, is not, and I

2976
03:07:06,300 --> 03:07:12,600
think probably plug specifically
is deliberately calling out

2977
03:07:12,600 --> 03:07:24,200
McKinney McKinney McKinney that
the band has started somewhere

2978
03:07:24,200 --> 03:07:31,700
between 1847 and 18 year old
saying that, you know, we're all

2979
03:07:31,700 --> 03:07:34,900
the same world, you know, God is
no respecter of persons, type of

2980
03:07:34,900 --> 03:07:39,400
language to a man who is
presented them self and is

2981
03:07:39,400 --> 03:07:41,900
complaining about being racially
persecuted.

2982
03:07:41,900 --> 03:07:47,000
And and then Literally calling
for the deaths of people who who

2983
03:07:47,008 --> 03:07:52,300
violate these things months
later that that that's a huge

2984
03:07:52,300 --> 03:07:53,900
change.
My opinion.

2985
03:07:53,900 --> 03:07:59,200
I think it's if there was only
maybe some evidence or some some

2986
03:07:59,200 --> 03:08:01,100
motive on why that might have
happened.

2987
03:08:01,100 --> 03:08:05,900
Well, actually we even have
possible motive because we have

2988
03:08:05,900 --> 03:08:10,400
make any difference between them
of their money and also defiling

2989
03:08:10,400 --> 03:08:17,100
women and then we have quality
prep specifically for the first

2990
03:08:17,100 --> 03:08:21,200
time ever calling out,
specifically McKinney in the

2991
03:08:21,208 --> 03:08:24,900
context of what he had done,
calling him of accursed race in

2992
03:08:24,900 --> 03:08:28,200
their ends in for the first time
in In.

2993
03:08:29,400 --> 03:08:33,100
Basically church history.
Saying that blacks aren't

2994
03:08:33,100 --> 03:08:35,400
allowed to hold the priesthood
and then shortly after that we

2995
03:08:35,400 --> 03:08:38,700
have Brigham Young coming out
with a statement with fire.

2996
03:08:40,500 --> 03:08:44,600
And you've already met some of
them doesn't even mention the

2997
03:08:44,600 --> 03:08:47,200
priesthood band, specifically,
in December of 1847.

2998
03:08:47,300 --> 03:08:51,400
He can keep reading more if you
want.

2999
03:08:51,400 --> 03:08:55,500
It's there and that's at least
how Wilford Woodruff understood

3000
03:08:55,500 --> 03:09:00,500
that.
Your side could use.

3001
03:09:00,500 --> 03:09:03,600
And I believe has used the time.
We're bringing says, if they

3002
03:09:03,600 --> 03:09:05,800
will be eunuchs for the Kingdom
of Heaven sake, they may have

3003
03:09:05,800 --> 03:09:09,900
placed in the temple.
If you remember that.

3004
03:09:09,900 --> 03:09:13,800
So so let me know if I was on
your side, I would use that but

3005
03:09:13,800 --> 03:09:22,400
I see that is referencing.
The I already expressed was that

3006
03:09:22,400 --> 03:09:25,000
you have this guy living out
east, who gets a hold of the

3007
03:09:25,000 --> 03:09:28,400
book of Abraham and on his own
comes up with the theory that he

3008
03:09:28,400 --> 03:09:31,500
writes in his journal about
questioning, whether black

3009
03:09:31,500 --> 03:09:34,000
should hold.
The priesthood didn't say it was

3010
03:09:34,000 --> 03:09:39,400
taught to him by Joseph Smith,
he didn't got it from In April

3011
03:09:39,400 --> 03:09:45,900
of 1847, probably Brigham Young
and based off the events that

3012
03:09:45,900 --> 03:09:49,200
happened with William McKinney
cuz that's a mediately after

3013
03:09:49,200 --> 03:09:55,200
words as when he comes out.
And I typically, who is even

3014
03:09:55,200 --> 03:10:00,100
talking about in the context.
He called them out.

3015
03:10:02,900 --> 03:10:09,400
So it starts sometime during
1847 my position is I have a lot

3016
03:10:09,400 --> 03:10:14,400
of statements contained us to
1845 with lineage and blood with

3017
03:10:14,400 --> 03:10:16,900
some of the your horse and Hyde
started.

3018
03:10:16,900 --> 03:10:19,100
Talking about them being cursed
for their actions, in the

3019
03:10:19,100 --> 03:10:26,300
pre-existence, in 1840 in early
of 1845, there was a curse and

3020
03:10:26,300 --> 03:10:29,500
it's the fact that there is a
curse that is undeniably taught

3021
03:10:29,500 --> 03:10:32,200
and it's really easy to say
that.

3022
03:10:32,200 --> 03:10:34,800
Hey, they're talking about a
curse and then reading a priest

3023
03:10:34,800 --> 03:10:37,100
of been into it.
And yet it is not there.

3024
03:10:37,100 --> 03:10:40,300
And I mean, are you?
I mean, would you be willing to

3025
03:10:40,300 --> 03:10:42,600
violate the priest?
The band personally today, what

3026
03:10:42,600 --> 03:10:45,400
is that something that you would
be willing to do?

3027
03:10:46,500 --> 03:10:48,900
I believe we're going to watch
Brigham Young.

3028
03:10:48,900 --> 03:10:50,900
It's not supposed to be lifted
until the Millennium.

3029
03:10:50,900 --> 03:10:55,000
So this is important to you.
You think this is important to a

3030
03:10:55,000 --> 03:10:58,000
logical point.
I think that what Brigham Young

3031
03:10:58,000 --> 03:11:00,600
said in the name of Jesus
Christ, you was the prophet of

3032
03:11:00,608 --> 03:11:05,100
God to reveal to the church at
wasn't disputed by any of his

3033
03:11:05,100 --> 03:11:07,000
brother.
And when he proclaimed it in

3034
03:11:07,000 --> 03:11:10,100
1852 and we have tons of
evidence that and went back

3035
03:11:10,100 --> 03:11:13,500
significantly.
Earlier you say we don't have we

3036
03:11:13,500 --> 03:11:16,900
don't have evidence.
We have we have we have what you

3037
03:11:16,900 --> 03:11:20,000
would call a circumstantial
evidence, you have exit

3038
03:11:20,000 --> 03:11:24,000
eisegetical evidence.
You can read that into it

3039
03:11:24,000 --> 03:11:27,400
because there is a curse
discussed but it is clear from

3040
03:11:27,400 --> 03:11:29,100
the context of any time that
Joseph Smith.

3041
03:11:29,100 --> 03:11:31,500
Speaking of a curse upon the
black race.

3042
03:11:31,500 --> 03:11:33,200
He's speaking about a curse of
slavery.

3043
03:11:33,200 --> 03:11:37,900
Richard said that the children
said that Joseph Smith toddler,

3044
03:11:37,900 --> 03:11:41,500
the children receive their
coming to remember to the Lord

3045
03:11:41,500 --> 03:11:45,500
for their Final Redemption until
the until the Redemption of the

3046
03:11:45,500 --> 03:11:47,600
earth.
So that's Another person who

3047
03:11:47,600 --> 03:11:56,900
actually did the Joseph Smith
who and what we do have is a

3048
03:11:56,900 --> 03:12:00,900
geology that certainly the
Native American people when they

3049
03:12:00,900 --> 03:12:06,500
become directed beings, that
they will receive white bodies.

3050
03:12:07,900 --> 03:12:13,900
There's a person I know who
would serve his mission in

3051
03:12:13,900 --> 03:12:16,200
Brazil's at that lot of
resilience believe that they

3052
03:12:16,200 --> 03:12:18,400
would receive white bodies in
the resurrection.

3053
03:12:18,400 --> 03:12:22,800
And so, I mean again, I mean,
you're you're putting depriest

3054
03:12:22,800 --> 03:12:26,600
tube and into these were into
Joseph, Smith mouth into these

3055
03:12:26,600 --> 03:12:28,600
other people free prior to Joe
Smith's mouth.

3056
03:12:28,600 --> 03:12:32,500
It's not there though.
It just wanted to put it into

3057
03:12:32,500 --> 03:12:34,100
Brigham Young's mouth and say
hi.

3058
03:12:34,100 --> 03:12:36,500
If you practiced, you can't
because Brigham Young, lots of

3059
03:12:36,500 --> 03:12:38,800
the teacher in April of 1847,
even though we don't actually

3060
03:12:38,800 --> 03:12:43,100
have any record of Brigham Young
introducing it in April of 1847.

3061
03:12:43,200 --> 03:12:44,700
We just have to keep rats.
Eat chicken.

3062
03:12:48,100 --> 03:12:52,000
Do you think that parley P Pratt
in Brigham Young spoke?

3063
03:12:53,400 --> 03:12:57,500
I think that you're you're
you're making a conjecture of

3064
03:12:57,500 --> 03:13:00,400
Brigham Young introducing.
I make it to Jackson and feel

3065
03:13:00,400 --> 03:13:05,900
the Smith.
And my point really is that

3066
03:13:05,900 --> 03:13:08,800
there are people who recall this
went back to Joseph Smith and

3067
03:13:08,800 --> 03:13:12,100
there's evidence in 1845 that
these ideas were floating around

3068
03:13:12,100 --> 03:13:17,600
to you.
This is an issue of significant

3069
03:13:17,600 --> 03:13:27,400
biological value, correct.
So why don't we have a simple

3070
03:13:27,400 --> 03:13:30,900
clear testimony of this prior to
Brigham Young introducing.

3071
03:13:30,900 --> 03:13:33,300
The preacher was introduced long
before Brigham Young.

3072
03:13:33,300 --> 03:13:38,700
It was even given to people who
had black skin.

3073
03:13:39,500 --> 03:13:42,900
They continue to serve in the
offices of the priesthood

3074
03:13:42,900 --> 03:13:48,700
throughout their lives.
Why is this not Numero Uno?

3075
03:13:48,700 --> 03:13:52,700
If it's so important.
Why is this not the number one

3076
03:13:52,700 --> 03:13:55,600
priority that needs to be done?
Come up a lot?

3077
03:13:55,600 --> 03:13:58,700
Because there were a whole lot
of African members of the

3078
03:13:58,700 --> 03:14:00,300
church.
Brigham Young's governing a

3079
03:14:00,308 --> 03:14:10,000
church of thousands of members,
tens of thousands and he wasn't

3080
03:14:10,000 --> 03:14:12,000
just some guy that they didn't
even know.

3081
03:14:12,000 --> 03:14:17,400
He was at a Joseph Smith, Senior
his deathbed and didn't receive

3082
03:14:17,400 --> 03:14:22,500
his endowment.
Under Brigham, Young, Joseph

3083
03:14:22,500 --> 03:14:28,400
Smith, you received the Kirtland
endowment, Joseph Smith, let's

3084
03:14:28,400 --> 03:14:37,900
be honest.
Indian and I'm not and I'm not

3085
03:14:37,900 --> 03:14:39,700
disputing.
The debate here is not whether

3086
03:14:39,700 --> 03:14:42,000
or not Brigham Young instituted,
the priesthood band.

3087
03:14:43,000 --> 03:14:44,300
That's not what we're talking
about.

3088
03:14:44,300 --> 03:14:48,700
Joseph Smith.
When Joseph Smith was president

3089
03:14:48,700 --> 03:14:51,600
of the church.
When Joseph Smith was friends

3090
03:14:51,600 --> 03:14:55,300
with Elijah Abel and his family.
There is nothing that was

3091
03:14:55,300 --> 03:14:58,600
denied, Elijah Abel outside of
he wasn't in the Quorum of

3092
03:14:58,600 --> 03:15:01,600
anointed.
If you was his friend, why

3093
03:15:01,600 --> 03:15:05,900
wasn't he in the in the corner
that I wasn't William Clayton?

3094
03:15:06,900 --> 03:15:08,800
When playing did eventually get
initiated?

3095
03:15:08,800 --> 03:15:12,800
Yeah, he did.
Eventually get initiated and

3096
03:15:12,800 --> 03:15:13,800
tell them.
We've got him.

3097
03:15:13,800 --> 03:15:16,300
He's at he even knows about it.
He's one of the few who even

3098
03:15:16,300 --> 03:15:18,600
knows about it and isn't in is
not a member of it.

3099
03:15:20,200 --> 03:15:23,500
Why wasn't my great grandpa is
so you know there were no

3100
03:15:23,500 --> 03:15:26,300
Indians in the Quorum of
anointed either.

3101
03:15:27,500 --> 03:15:33,000
And we know that your journal
entry by William, Applebee in

3102
03:15:33,000 --> 03:15:38,900
May 19th 1847.
Let this afternoon for a little

3103
03:15:38,900 --> 03:15:41,900
while when I arrived for 1 hour
and a half distance, 25 miles

3104
03:15:41,900 --> 03:15:48,600
out of church members and
terrible gets any Elder and

3105
03:15:48,600 --> 03:15:52,100
Elder ordained by the church
country.

3106
03:15:52,100 --> 03:15:54,700
Do to the order of the Church of
all the preseason as the

3107
03:15:54,700 --> 03:15:57,200
descendants of ham or not
entitled to that privilege by

3108
03:15:57,200 --> 03:15:59,000
the name of Walker.
Lucy Pierce being meek and

3109
03:15:59,008 --> 03:16:01,800
humble, man.
An example for his wider brother

3110
03:16:01,800 --> 03:16:07,100
and to follow, so, you know,
Another interesting statement

3111
03:16:07,100 --> 03:16:11,700
from the 1847 time.
That he would have gotten it

3112
03:16:11,700 --> 03:16:15,200
from Brigham Young.
Maybelline doesn't say did.

3113
03:16:15,200 --> 03:16:17,400
He says he didn't say it.
Got it from Bill Smith either.

3114
03:16:17,400 --> 03:16:20,900
He wasn't around like you said,
he's out east.

3115
03:16:22,000 --> 03:16:24,800
Yeah, and so then he wrote a
letter to to bring him young

3116
03:16:24,800 --> 03:16:28,300
later that month saying LOL, I
followed I found a colored

3117
03:16:28,300 --> 03:16:31,100
brother by the name of Lewis and
Barbara Ann Church ordain.

3118
03:16:31,100 --> 03:16:34,100
Some Years Ago by William Smith,
this Lewis I was in form and

3119
03:16:34,100 --> 03:16:37,400
also a son is married to a white
girl in both members of the

3120
03:16:37,400 --> 03:16:39,100
church there now.
Dear brother, wish to know if

3121
03:16:39,100 --> 03:16:41,300
this is the order of God or
tolerate in this church, i e

3122
03:16:41,300 --> 03:16:44,200
Tour de Negros to the priesthood
allow amalgamation.

3123
03:16:44,200 --> 03:16:46,600
If it is, I desire to know as
I've yet.

3124
03:16:46,600 --> 03:16:49,500
Got to learn it.
There we have it right there.

3125
03:16:49,500 --> 03:16:52,400
So we know that his original
entry was speculation.

3126
03:16:52,400 --> 03:16:56,000
We know that Joseph Smith did
not teach this to him cuz he's

3127
03:16:56,000 --> 03:16:57,900
asking Brigham Young.
Hey, I had this idea.

3128
03:16:57,900 --> 03:17:00,600
Is that right?
Yeah.

3129
03:17:00,600 --> 03:17:06,800
And you know, and are getting
the same ideas in April and only

3130
03:17:06,800 --> 03:17:11,200
a few weeks earlier with Harley,
Pratt over William McKay.

3131
03:17:11,200 --> 03:17:15,100
I'm just saying that they're
George Duke Allen.

3132
03:17:15,100 --> 03:17:20,800
Testimony was significant and
not that Joseph under Lorenzo

3133
03:17:20,800 --> 03:17:23,500
Snow in Joseph Smith and might
have actually pushed the rest of

3134
03:17:23,508 --> 03:17:27,800
that wasn't for George to Cannon
saying that you was taught as a

3135
03:17:27,800 --> 03:17:30,700
boy and novel by John.
Taylor is coming from Joseph

3136
03:17:30,700 --> 03:17:34,000
Smith.
So as you know, is a story now

3137
03:17:34,000 --> 03:17:39,100
that's a that is that is very
spurious claim to be making as a

3138
03:17:39,100 --> 03:17:42,400
as a second hand and he didn't,
he's not saying he didn't, he

3139
03:17:42,400 --> 03:17:45,000
heard it from Joseph Smith?
He's saying, John Taylor said

3140
03:17:45,000 --> 03:17:48,800
that he heard it from Joseph
Smith and is it something that

3141
03:17:48,800 --> 03:17:51,000
he's recalling?
It was not written down, this is

3142
03:17:51,000 --> 03:17:52,800
not in his journal.
This is something that he is

3143
03:17:52,800 --> 03:17:58,200
your calling, from memory, 50
years later, I'm not even 50

3144
03:17:58,200 --> 03:18:02,400
years old yet.
And I don't remember anything

3145
03:18:02,400 --> 03:18:10,200
from a cover, let alone a
specific Doctrine being taught

3146
03:18:10,200 --> 03:18:12,200
by somebody who learned it from
somebody else.

3147
03:18:14,000 --> 03:18:18,500
But I don't think Joseph Smith
was easily swayed necessarily

3148
03:18:18,500 --> 03:18:21,700
though because in 1879.
When somebody Coltrane, get just

3149
03:18:21,700 --> 03:18:25,600
text me, he wanted to say that
he tries to Elijah able more

3150
03:18:25,600 --> 03:18:28,200
than 70 call Tran.
That's what it said something

3151
03:18:28,200 --> 03:18:31,200
about George Duke and his
testimony was compelling enough

3152
03:18:31,200 --> 03:18:33,900
to him.
That he felt that, you know,

3153
03:18:33,900 --> 03:18:37,700
that changed that changes
position on it and that led to

3154
03:18:37,700 --> 03:18:42,000
the band being is doing the
church for another 70 plus

3155
03:18:42,000 --> 03:18:46,300
years. yeah, well, I mean, I
think George Duke Cannon had

3156
03:18:46,300 --> 03:18:51,600
some clear supremacist ideology
going on with himself though.

3157
03:18:51,600 --> 03:18:53,600
Anyways, Beyond even the priests
of ban.

3158
03:18:54,900 --> 03:18:59,100
But did you know about John?
Taylor's editorial in the times

3159
03:18:59,100 --> 03:19:04,800
and seasons in April 1845, where
he talks about the curse of on

3160
03:19:04,800 --> 03:19:09,300
on ham and Kane and night from
John Taylor.

3161
03:19:09,300 --> 03:19:16,400
Yeah, I probably read it.
But again, it's kind of

3162
03:19:16,400 --> 03:19:21,900
supporting evidence for what
Cannon's, cuz it shows that John

3163
03:19:21,900 --> 03:19:23,700
Taylor was entertaining, these
kinds of ideas.

3164
03:19:25,900 --> 03:19:32,500
Dishonor, the holy priesthood.
Know, I woke from his mind and

3165
03:19:32,500 --> 03:19:33,400
you was younger.
Son.

3166
03:19:33,400 --> 03:19:35,800
Have it done it.
And as a priest who descended

3167
03:19:35,800 --> 03:19:38,400
from father to son he know I
delivered the following first

3168
03:19:38,400 --> 03:19:42,100
and blessings as translated by
King James Wiseman recorded in

3169
03:19:42,100 --> 03:19:45,900
Genesis he reads from Genesis 9
history and common observation

3170
03:19:45,900 --> 03:19:49,000
show that these predictions have
been fulfilled to the letter the

3171
03:19:49,000 --> 03:19:51,400
descendants of ham inside the
black skin which has ever been a

3172
03:19:51,408 --> 03:19:53,200
curse.
Those following apostate and the

3173
03:19:53,200 --> 03:19:56,200
only person as well as a black
heart have been serviceable Shem

3174
03:19:56,200 --> 03:19:58,300
and japheth and the
abolitionists are trying to make

3175
03:19:58,300 --> 03:20:01,500
Boy The Curse Of God, but it
will require more power than man

3176
03:20:01,500 --> 03:20:03,800
possesses to counteract the
decrees of Eternal wisdom.

3177
03:20:03,800 --> 03:20:07,500
Three references, as being
cursed, the black skin is a

3178
03:20:07,500 --> 03:20:10,600
curse that was followed an
apostate of the Holy priest it.

3179
03:20:10,600 --> 03:20:14,800
So it's it's supportive of
cannons recollection is that

3180
03:20:14,808 --> 03:20:17,800
makes sense?
Except it doesn't refer.

3181
03:20:17,800 --> 03:20:20,100
It doesn't reference Joseph
Smith is the person who taught

3182
03:20:20,100 --> 03:20:23,600
it.
That's true.

3183
03:20:23,600 --> 03:20:27,500
But for some reason you have all
these Apostles after Joseph

3184
03:20:27,500 --> 03:20:29,400
Smith death, start teaching
these kinds of ideas.

3185
03:20:29,400 --> 03:20:36,000
And either way, I think did have
inclinations, this was a

3186
03:20:36,008 --> 03:20:38,500
different America.
This was not in America is not

3187
03:20:38,500 --> 03:20:43,600
2000 and and whatever.
What year is a 23 where where

3188
03:20:43,600 --> 03:20:48,300
slavery has been abolished for
over fifty years and boujee

3189
03:20:48,300 --> 03:20:50,400
where we actually.
So we're probably pushing a

3190
03:20:50,400 --> 03:20:53,200
hundred years now and you know,
there's a there's a civil rights

3191
03:20:53,200 --> 03:20:56,600
movement and that's not the
world that they were living in.

3192
03:20:56,600 --> 03:21:01,200
There was already a natural
inclination towards racism.

3193
03:21:01,200 --> 03:21:04,600
At that time over will wear,
what we would call racism into

3194
03:21:04,600 --> 03:21:06,200
then at the time it was very
natural.

3195
03:21:06,800 --> 03:21:11,200
And and so I don't think it's
not surprising but speaking of

3196
03:21:11,200 --> 03:21:18,400
George Buchanan in 1857.
He he he he taught run is when

3197
03:21:18,400 --> 03:21:23,000
Western standard 22 first 22
license to marry, should not

3198
03:21:23,000 --> 03:21:27,100
come from the priest.
But from the physician It will

3199
03:21:27,100 --> 03:21:29,800
be when the law forbids, the
unhealthy to beget children.

3200
03:21:29,800 --> 03:21:32,300
When it compels every healthy
man to marry.

3201
03:21:32,300 --> 03:21:35,700
When a refusal to do this will
do bar him from holding office

3202
03:21:35,700 --> 03:21:40,700
from voting from suing at courts
of law for making contract from

3203
03:21:40,700 --> 03:21:43,500
following any learned
profession, when it's tough with

3204
03:21:43,500 --> 03:21:47,000
no healthy girl to remain single
after she becomes a proper age

3205
03:21:47,000 --> 03:21:49,200
when no horse will be permitted
to live.

3206
03:21:49,200 --> 03:21:52,500
When Alyssa intercourse will be
punished with death, what we

3207
03:21:52,500 --> 03:21:56,000
shall witness in that we shall
witness any Improvement in the

3208
03:21:56,000 --> 03:21:59,200
morals of the age.
It is true such a curse, such a

3209
03:21:59,208 --> 03:22:02,600
course would come in contact
with the ridiculous, ridiculous,

3210
03:22:02,600 --> 03:22:06,100
sentimentality of the age and
heaven knows it.

3211
03:22:06,100 --> 03:22:08,600
If it could be overturned and
routed doubt it would be a

3212
03:22:08,600 --> 03:22:11,800
substantial blessing.
I mean this is full on Eugenics

3213
03:22:11,800 --> 03:22:16,200
thinking right here this idea
they said that polygamy was

3214
03:22:16,200 --> 03:22:21,000
introduced to be a benefit for
the duration of the race.

3215
03:22:22,800 --> 03:22:26,600
Yeah, so we we can see that
there is what we today can

3216
03:22:26,600 --> 03:22:30,600
easily identify as a, a very
severe bias.

3217
03:22:30,600 --> 03:22:36,500
And so no believing in Eugenics
means he's going to lie about

3218
03:22:36,500 --> 03:22:41,300
the weather is my makeup of
these will have blatantly lie

3219
03:22:41,300 --> 03:22:43,400
and say that John Taylor taught
him.

3220
03:22:43,400 --> 03:22:46,700
Something is coming from Joseph
Smith, when she didn't actually

3221
03:22:46,700 --> 03:22:53,000
come from this idea of only
healthy, men should marry and

3222
03:22:53,000 --> 03:22:57,200
that they should live polygamy
was kind of in the I think it's

3223
03:22:57,200 --> 03:22:59,000
in that same article.
He says that these ideas came

3224
03:22:59,000 --> 03:23:01,900
from Joseph Smith and allies are
snow talked about pulling me

3225
03:23:01,900 --> 03:23:03,900
being a renovation of the race
also.

3226
03:23:03,900 --> 03:23:08,300
So license to marry should not
come to from the priesthood from

3227
03:23:08,300 --> 03:23:12,100
the position.
I'm it mean to upset you a bit

3228
03:23:12,100 --> 03:23:13,900
more than what the other people
are.

3229
03:23:13,900 --> 03:23:22,700
The Utah said, but a little.
Are you kidding me for the Roxy

3230
03:23:22,700 --> 03:23:23,700
Pro?
You Janice.

3231
03:23:23,700 --> 03:23:26,400
This is this is what I'm trying
to say here, right?

3232
03:23:26,400 --> 03:23:30,000
This isn't exactly.
This is a different time and a

3233
03:23:30,000 --> 03:23:34,400
different place where people had
a different perspective of that,

3234
03:23:34,400 --> 03:23:37,900
some of these values than we do.
And we know that there was a, it

3235
03:23:37,900 --> 03:23:42,800
is a natural inclination towards
other than people that are

3236
03:23:42,800 --> 03:23:44,800
different.
Especially if there is a curse

3237
03:23:44,800 --> 03:23:47,300
upon them, that makes them
different from other people.

3238
03:23:47,300 --> 03:23:52,900
That makes them look different
that maybe even has a behavioral

3239
03:23:52,900 --> 03:23:54,200
aspect.
We can certainly see that

3240
03:23:54,200 --> 03:23:57,900
there's problems today and I
would say it is a curse, not of

3241
03:23:57,900 --> 03:24:01,400
any kind of God directed curse,
but just a cursive

3242
03:24:01,400 --> 03:24:05,700
fatherlessness and it does
primarily seem to a flat afflict

3243
03:24:05,700 --> 03:24:10,300
specific races.
And that's tragic but it is the

3244
03:24:10,300 --> 03:24:14,300
the solution is at 2 to build a
wall around these people.

3245
03:24:14,300 --> 03:24:17,400
It's too, is to lift them up, is
to bring them in.

3246
03:24:19,500 --> 03:24:24,300
All the ideas of eugenics, where
the idea of trying to have a

3247
03:24:24,300 --> 03:24:29,000
healthier race isn't necessarily
a bad thing, it's a bad thing.

3248
03:24:29,000 --> 03:24:32,200
If you're tying it to, we should
kill off the people that are the

3249
03:24:32,200 --> 03:24:35,000
inferior races.
That's, that's when it goes in a

3250
03:24:35,000 --> 03:24:37,300
bad Direction.
Wanting to have people be

3251
03:24:37,300 --> 03:24:39,900
healthier.
I think everyone wants a more

3252
03:24:39,900 --> 03:24:43,100
healthy population and like it
has played at is that what you

3253
03:24:43,100 --> 03:24:46,400
take you with Georgiana Court.
I take issue with this that in

3254
03:24:46,400 --> 03:24:49,200
order to have permission to
marry, you got it have a

3255
03:24:49,200 --> 03:24:55,400
physician's that was common in
most of America for up until

3256
03:24:55,400 --> 03:25:00,100
probably 50 years ago.
Kind of a medical examination by

3257
03:25:00,100 --> 03:25:03,700
a doctor to this part of getting
your marriage license.

3258
03:25:03,700 --> 03:25:07,300
Pretty sure that was pretty
common historically in America,

3259
03:25:07,300 --> 03:25:10,800
that you'd be forbidden to marry
without a physician.

3260
03:25:12,900 --> 03:25:20,500
Without a physician's exam.
Taya.

3261
03:25:20,500 --> 03:25:27,200
I'll have to say I don't know if
I can trust you on that one cuz

3262
03:25:27,200 --> 03:25:35,500
I'm not telling every July 4th
January, so we can trust him on

3263
03:25:35,500 --> 03:25:38,500
this.
This is to say that there is a

3264
03:25:38,500 --> 03:25:44,400
attitude about things at the
time that was is a lot more

3265
03:25:44,400 --> 03:25:48,600
backwards.
Then we met that we can

3266
03:25:48,600 --> 03:25:50,500
understand today but there's
something wrong with this.

3267
03:25:50,500 --> 03:25:53,100
This idea of taking women who
are as soon as there are of

3268
03:25:53,100 --> 03:25:55,300
marriageable age and coercing
them into a marriage.

3269
03:25:56,600 --> 03:26:01,400
Weed that, that is not.
We know that that that is wrong.

3270
03:26:03,200 --> 03:26:07,000
You think that dress you Cannon
was forcing women into

3271
03:26:07,000 --> 03:26:09,900
marriages?
He was advocating for it.

3272
03:26:12,500 --> 03:26:15,600
I must have missed that part of
you that was part of the quote,

3273
03:26:15,600 --> 03:26:21,200
but I'm pretty sure that you
might be when it says, when It

3274
03:26:21,200 --> 03:26:23,900
suffers no healthy girl to
remain single, after she'd

3275
03:26:23,900 --> 03:26:27,800
become the proper age to having
crazy just said, where we are

3276
03:26:27,800 --> 03:26:30,800
basically rent at two worst
people into marriage and when

3277
03:26:30,800 --> 03:26:37,100
they are, if they are for the
men, if they qualify And for the

3278
03:26:37,100 --> 03:26:40,100
women as soon as they come of
age we're not going to allow

3279
03:26:40,100 --> 03:26:43,500
them to stay single and we're
going to kill anybody who who

3280
03:26:43,500 --> 03:26:46,800
becomes a prostitute and
playing.

3281
03:26:46,800 --> 03:26:50,800
I guess, implying that anyone
who doesn't marry is going to

3282
03:26:50,808 --> 03:26:53,800
become a prostitute.
Did you know that?

3283
03:26:53,808 --> 03:26:56,700
That was the other place said
that word?

3284
03:26:56,700 --> 03:27:09,000
I mean, I might not agree with
that, that for our time but you

3285
03:27:09,000 --> 03:27:11,200
know, who's to say?
But again, the point here is

3286
03:27:11,200 --> 03:27:16,400
that George Buchanan, had some
interesting ideas on things, I

3287
03:27:16,400 --> 03:27:19,500
think that.
Yeah, these ideas can taint our

3288
03:27:19,500 --> 03:27:24,400
perspectives and our memories
that they can lead us into into

3289
03:27:24,400 --> 03:27:28,300
the same things and two
Presuming things that aren't

3290
03:27:28,300 --> 03:27:31,600
necessarily true because our
minds become darkened when we

3291
03:27:31,600 --> 03:27:35,300
don't meet up, with the
principle of agency, is being

3292
03:27:35,300 --> 03:27:40,500
proposed to be violated here in
an incredibly violent manner.

3293
03:27:40,500 --> 03:27:45,200
I really think that, you know, I
think you might be taking a

3294
03:27:45,200 --> 03:27:46,600
little bit more Liberty with
that.

3295
03:27:46,600 --> 03:27:49,700
Quote, if you don't see George
Duke Cannon advocating,

3296
03:27:51,200 --> 03:27:54,400
Opposition to free agency in
marriage and other places.

3297
03:27:54,400 --> 03:27:58,500
I think that you're probably
being not very generous with

3298
03:27:58,500 --> 03:28:04,100
them, it with this quote-unquote
because we all know the temple.

3299
03:28:04,100 --> 03:28:09,200
And you know what the hell means
you.

3300
03:28:09,200 --> 03:28:12,600
You know, that that the marriage
of determining the temple is by

3301
03:28:12,600 --> 03:28:17,900
your own free agency, in in, in
in, in here says, it's compel.

3302
03:28:17,900 --> 03:28:28,500
Do you know what that mean?
In fact, he wanted something

3303
03:28:28,500 --> 03:28:32,300
from McDonald's when he's a
young guy on a mission in the

3304
03:28:32,300 --> 03:28:36,500
1850s to argue that we should
trust his memory in the 1890s.

3305
03:28:37,300 --> 03:28:43,600
50 years later, I don't trust my
memory going back, 30 years ago.

3306
03:28:44,900 --> 03:28:46,600
I trust my memory on certain
things.

3307
03:28:46,600 --> 03:28:49,900
I don't trust my memory on other
things, most people don't.

3308
03:28:49,900 --> 03:28:52,800
It's very easy, you know?
You think that all of your

3309
03:28:52,800 --> 03:28:57,700
memories from your childhood are
untrustworthy or You know.

3310
03:28:58,700 --> 03:29:01,900
And give you are some things
that you are pretty solid about

3311
03:29:01,900 --> 03:29:05,000
in your memory.
Yeah, there's a few things I'm

3312
03:29:05,000 --> 03:29:06,800
very solid about and again not a
single.

3313
03:29:06,800 --> 03:29:11,900
One of them is a sermon by a
brother in the in the church.

3314
03:29:11,900 --> 03:29:15,300
Espousing a specific Doctrine
and knowing that.

3315
03:29:15,300 --> 03:29:19,100
That's where I learned it.
Not a single, not a single one,

3316
03:29:19,100 --> 03:29:28,100
nothing of that caliber.
What I do have is memories of

3317
03:29:28,100 --> 03:29:32,700
when I was on my mission reading
the book of Mormon and learning

3318
03:29:32,700 --> 03:29:36,600
some of these doctrines for the
first time and I could have

3319
03:29:36,600 --> 03:29:39,900
sworn later on that.
I had learned something on a

3320
03:29:39,900 --> 03:29:43,200
mission and I went back and
looked at it and I didn't it was

3321
03:29:43,200 --> 03:29:46,600
something that came to me, many,
many years later and in my

3322
03:29:46,600 --> 03:29:49,400
memory, some reason I just threw
it back as that's that's

3323
03:29:49,400 --> 03:29:50,500
something I learned back on my
mission.

3324
03:29:50,500 --> 03:29:54,900
And again I'm not even that old.
I think it's entirely possible

3325
03:29:54,900 --> 03:29:58,000
to to confuse your memory.
I think it's entirely possible

3326
03:29:58,000 --> 03:30:03,300
to have a bias toward something
that I think it's possible to

3327
03:30:03,300 --> 03:30:05,600
have a good memory even fifty
years later.

3328
03:30:05,600 --> 03:30:07,700
When you look at some of the
things that Benjamin F Johnson

3329
03:30:07,708 --> 03:30:12,400
recalled about Nauvoo and Joseph
Smith in his 1903, free gift

3330
03:30:12,400 --> 03:30:16,800
letter is fairly extreme Lee
Acura at some of the things that

3331
03:30:16,800 --> 03:30:21,600
he is recalling.
Everything going down with it

3332
03:30:21,600 --> 03:30:26,100
with this priesthood band.
Why didn't why didn't bring him

3333
03:30:26,100 --> 03:30:27,900
young say?
Joseph Smith taught this.

3334
03:30:27,900 --> 03:30:31,200
Why didn't John Taylor say
Joseph Smith taught this?

3335
03:30:32,900 --> 03:30:36,300
Tenant, says that John Taylor
said it, but he says he's.

3336
03:30:36,300 --> 03:30:37,900
Why didn't John Taylor say it
doesn't?

3337
03:30:37,900 --> 03:30:39,800
This is a second hand, when
that's why don't we have a

3338
03:30:39,800 --> 03:30:41,200
firsthand witness that?
Why don't we have?

3339
03:30:41,200 --> 03:30:43,600
Remember John Taylor saying that
you thought they heard it from

3340
03:30:43,600 --> 03:30:46,400
Joseph Smith and we don't have a
firsthand witness of what they

3341
03:30:46,400 --> 03:30:49,800
said regarding you know what
should we do with Walker Lewis

3342
03:30:49,800 --> 03:30:53,100
or Elijah table because there
aren't perfect records.

3343
03:30:53,100 --> 03:30:55,900
We don't have a perfect history.
We are at, we have to come.

3344
03:30:55,900 --> 03:30:59,100
Look at the historical data, we
have Friday, take a holistic

3345
03:30:59,100 --> 03:31:03,500
approach to it and, you know, it
and look at the totality of the

3346
03:31:03,500 --> 03:31:07,100
evidence and I absolutely agree
but that the holistic approach

3347
03:31:07,100 --> 03:31:13,700
requires reading into the past,
we don't have no, yes, the store

3348
03:31:13,700 --> 03:31:17,200
next to read it.
But my perspective is also a way

3349
03:31:17,200 --> 03:31:20,400
and it leads to that there.
I don't think that Brigham Young

3350
03:31:20,400 --> 03:31:22,900
all the Sunnyside, be racist
1947.

3351
03:31:22,900 --> 03:31:25,200
I think that these things were
going on that.

3352
03:31:25,200 --> 03:31:27,500
These ideas were being talked
about shortly.

3353
03:31:27,500 --> 03:31:30,300
After Joseph, Smith's dad.
And those people to testify that

3354
03:31:30,300 --> 03:31:34,000
they went back to Joseph Smith
and his idea Why don't they go

3355
03:31:34,000 --> 03:31:36,800
back to Elijah able?
Why don't we have it?

3356
03:31:36,800 --> 03:31:39,800
If you have some circumstantial
evidence to pull it back to

3357
03:31:39,800 --> 03:31:42,300
those places.
But we don't have any actual

3358
03:31:42,300 --> 03:31:47,200
either testimony from first-hand
Witnesses, which should have

3359
03:31:47,200 --> 03:31:50,100
been many.
And we don't have any first-hand

3360
03:31:50,100 --> 03:31:53,500
statements from Joseph Smith.
Implying that this was ever a

3361
03:31:53,500 --> 03:31:55,100
doctrine that he ever intended
it.

3362
03:31:55,100 --> 03:31:59,400
And we do have from Joseph Smith
from from the scriptures alone

3363
03:31:59,400 --> 03:32:06,400
is this context of that.
The whole point of the whole

3364
03:32:06,408 --> 03:32:10,000
point of the Gospel is to
receive Redemption through Jesus

3365
03:32:10,000 --> 03:32:12,600
Christ.
The fullness of the Gospel is to

3366
03:32:12,600 --> 03:32:16,300
be grafted into Abraham's family
to be a taker of those blessings

3367
03:32:16,300 --> 03:32:19,500
with him as it is adopted into
his family.

3368
03:32:20,600 --> 03:32:25,200
And if we as Gentiles can be
adopted into his family, I don't

3369
03:32:25,200 --> 03:32:31,500
see why why?
Well, somebody who's black, who

3370
03:32:31,500 --> 03:32:36,800
is also a chicken simply a
gentile Graham can't be adopted

3371
03:32:36,800 --> 03:32:40,800
into Abraham's family.
In fact that really is the whole

3372
03:32:40,800 --> 03:32:42,500
point.
So you know, everybody's always

3373
03:32:42,500 --> 03:32:48,600
going to find on first Abraham.
And in second Abraham, it is

3374
03:32:48,600 --> 03:32:51,100
actually declares what these
blessings are.

3375
03:32:53,900 --> 03:32:57,500
And it says that I will make a
via great nation.

3376
03:32:57,500 --> 03:33:00,400
Dolor de Abraham, I will make a
v, a great nation and I will

3377
03:33:00,400 --> 03:33:04,500
bless thee above measure, and
make thy name, great among all

3378
03:33:04,500 --> 03:33:07,800
nations, and thou shalt be a
blessing unto thy seed after the

3379
03:33:07,800 --> 03:33:11,200
that in their hands.
They shall bear this ministry

3380
03:33:11,200 --> 03:33:18,800
and priesthood unto all nations.
And I will bless them truth.

3381
03:33:18,800 --> 03:33:23,500
I name for as many receive, this
gospel shall be called after thy

3382
03:33:23,500 --> 03:33:26,300
name and shall be accounted by
seed.

3383
03:33:27,100 --> 03:33:30,800
Intro rise up and bless the as
their father.

3384
03:33:32,800 --> 03:33:36,200
I don't believe there are
Canaanites in Zion just like I

3385
03:33:36,200 --> 03:33:38,500
don't believe there's any fights
or lamanites in Zion.

3386
03:33:38,500 --> 03:33:41,200
I don't believe there are Jews
in Zion.

3387
03:33:42,200 --> 03:33:47,500
Everybody is grafted in.
And into the abrahamic, Covenant

3388
03:33:47,500 --> 03:33:49,400
and Abraham becomes their
father.

3389
03:33:50,800 --> 03:33:54,800
And I will bless them that bless
thee and Kirsten that First Tee.

3390
03:33:54,800 --> 03:33:59,300
And indeed, that is why
priesthood and ends in NYC is

3391
03:33:59,300 --> 03:34:02,400
that is buy priesthood.
So is also being very clear.

3392
03:34:02,400 --> 03:34:04,400
He's talking about priesthood,
hear.

3393
03:34:04,400 --> 03:34:07,100
These people that all the people
are of the Earth are going to be

3394
03:34:07,108 --> 03:34:10,100
blessed with these things.
For I give unto thee, a promise,

3395
03:34:10,100 --> 03:34:15,100
that this right, shall continue
in the, and then Vice eat after

3396
03:34:15,100 --> 03:34:20,100
the That is to say the literal
Cedar, the seat of my body show,

3397
03:34:20,100 --> 03:34:23,000
all the families of the earth,
be blessed, even with the

3398
03:34:23,000 --> 03:34:26,900
blessings of the Gospel which
are the blessings of Salvation.

3399
03:34:26,900 --> 03:34:30,900
Even of life.
Eternal Justin real quick.

3400
03:34:30,900 --> 03:34:34,000
What that was in the end and
Abraham chapter 2.

3401
03:34:34,000 --> 03:34:35,900
What verses were those?
Yeah.

3402
03:34:35,900 --> 03:34:43,500
Starting in verse 9 and Nations.
I think that's a good point but

3403
03:34:43,500 --> 03:34:46,100
when you look what one thing
that I think is interesting to

3404
03:34:46,100 --> 03:34:51,100
consider is, you know, that
there's a prophecy that japheth

3405
03:34:51,100 --> 03:34:55,500
and Shadow Wood Wood intermix.
According to you, that you have,

3406
03:34:55,500 --> 03:35:01,700
that was at that jeep is worth
while in the tents of Shem or

3407
03:35:01,700 --> 03:35:08,500
drawing the tents of Jacob.
But when she from is getting

3408
03:35:08,500 --> 03:35:12,600
blessed in Genesis 48, when
Jacob is blessing.

3409
03:35:12,600 --> 03:35:17,200
The sons of Joseph, it says his
seed shall become A multitude of

3410
03:35:17,200 --> 03:35:21,300
Nations and so, a different
translation of that if you're

3411
03:35:21,300 --> 03:35:24,800
going back to the literal
Hebrew, his seed shall become a

3412
03:35:24,800 --> 03:35:28,100
fullness of the Gentiles.
So a lot of those references to

3413
03:35:28,100 --> 03:35:33,200
Nations and Gentiles could be
the fact that Ephraim mixed with

3414
03:35:33,200 --> 03:35:37,100
these.
You know, Gentile nations of the

3415
03:35:37,100 --> 03:35:48,200
world with, you know, any
information about glad we know

3416
03:35:48,200 --> 03:35:51,100
that's Europe and we know that
they mentioned mix.

3417
03:35:51,100 --> 03:35:54,300
And that is for Hannah.
Covenant says, all the nations

3418
03:35:54,300 --> 03:35:56,900
of the run, this is Abraham,
this isn't the Bible, this is

3419
03:35:56,900 --> 03:35:59,000
Abraham, this is Joseph Smith's
translation.

3420
03:35:59,800 --> 03:36:05,200
Not multitude of the Nations.
But the Joseph Smith has not

3421
03:36:05,200 --> 03:36:11,100
translated as Gentile.
Well, I'm saying those words to

3422
03:36:11,100 --> 03:36:13,800
be interchangeable and they can
be in the Hebrew.

3423
03:36:13,800 --> 03:36:17,800
And Joseph Smith was the one who
translated this and he says

3424
03:36:17,800 --> 03:36:23,300
Nation all nations of unto all
nations unto all nations again

3425
03:36:23,300 --> 03:36:26,900
and again and again and again
and anybody that his literal

3426
03:36:26,900 --> 03:36:32,700
seed can bring into the fold
become adopted in and basically

3427
03:36:32,700 --> 03:36:35,500
become joint Heirs of all the
abrahamic blessings, which we

3428
03:36:35,500 --> 03:36:40,600
know are of Salvation are the
blessings of the Gospel of the

3429
03:36:40,600 --> 03:36:45,900
Salvation And even life eternal.
So the last scripture that I

3430
03:36:45,900 --> 03:36:51,000
would use to kind of go back to
give you some push back on this.

3431
03:36:51,000 --> 03:37:03,500
Let me know real quick.
So So Matthew 15 verses 21

3432
03:37:03,500 --> 03:37:11,500
through 28.
So behold as well as the part of

3433
03:37:11,500 --> 03:37:15,000
the coast of Tire inside and
behold a woman of Cannon came

3434
03:37:15,000 --> 03:37:17,900
out of the same coast and cried
on Tuesday, have mercy on me.

3435
03:37:17,900 --> 03:37:21,300
Oh Lord, that's been a day with
my daughter is grievously back

3436
03:37:21,300 --> 03:37:23,900
to the devil.
Thought he Jesus answered her.

3437
03:37:23,900 --> 03:37:27,400
Not a word as disciples came and
be thought of as they send her

3438
03:37:27,400 --> 03:37:30,600
away before she cries after us.
But you answered said, I am not

3439
03:37:30,600 --> 03:37:33,100
set button to the lost sheep of
the House of Israel.

3440
03:37:33,100 --> 03:37:37,800
Then came she and worshiped him
saying, Lord help me the answer

3441
03:37:37,800 --> 03:37:41,000
and said it is not meet to take
the children's bread and to cast

3442
03:37:41,000 --> 03:37:45,500
it to dogs and she said fruit.
Ward, yet the dogs eat of the

3443
03:37:45,508 --> 03:37:48,900
crumbs which fall from their
master's table, the Jesus at the

3444
03:37:48,908 --> 03:37:51,000
center old woman.
Great is thy faith.

3445
03:37:51,000 --> 03:37:54,400
Be under the email that will end
her daughter was made from that

3446
03:37:54,400 --> 03:37:56,800
very hour.
So Jesus is there saying that

3447
03:37:56,800 --> 03:37:59,800
the full blessings are for The
Israelites.

3448
03:37:59,800 --> 03:38:07,400
But now I see that as an analogy
that you know, the full

3449
03:38:07,400 --> 03:38:09,800
blessings are only to The Chosen
lineage.

3450
03:38:09,800 --> 03:38:13,000
And those that are adopted by
that, she even as a cane, I can

3451
03:38:13,000 --> 03:38:16,900
receive some of the blessings of
the Gospel can receive the the

3452
03:38:16,900 --> 03:38:20,100
blessings of salvation, but she
can't receive the authority of

3453
03:38:20,100 --> 03:38:22,800
the priesthood and the
ordinances of Jacob.

3454
03:38:22,800 --> 03:38:26,100
I think you just proved my point
actually because what we have

3455
03:38:26,100 --> 03:38:29,500
here is Christ saying he is sent
to minister unto the house of

3456
03:38:29,500 --> 03:38:31,000
Israel.
That's what he says sent to

3457
03:38:31,000 --> 03:38:32,700
minister.
Is it again that says we're not

3458
03:38:32,708 --> 03:38:36,300
even talking about priest it
here but that is who you sent to

3459
03:38:36,300 --> 03:38:40,000
his Moore Ministry.
What does Jesus do after he

3460
03:38:40,000 --> 03:38:42,800
dies?
Have you heard of the death of

3461
03:38:42,800 --> 03:38:44,500
the day of Pentecost after the
resurrection?

3462
03:38:46,800 --> 03:38:50,500
I didn't write about the Great
Commission, the Great Commission

3463
03:38:50,500 --> 03:38:56,800
to take his gospel to again all
nations.

3464
03:38:57,700 --> 03:39:01,700
Yeah, it is real rejected him
that was taken to the

3465
03:39:01,700 --> 03:39:08,100
elevations, but he was not
wanting to know a lot of people

3466
03:39:08,100 --> 03:39:12,200
would call Jesus Christ.
You're basically saying I'm only

3467
03:39:12,200 --> 03:39:16,900
sent to the specific group of
people right now, though, but

3468
03:39:16,900 --> 03:39:24,600
but, but I can still receive the
crumbs from the table and he

3469
03:39:24,600 --> 03:39:28,300
said, because of your fate, you
are more faith than most of

3470
03:39:28,300 --> 03:39:30,400
these Israelites.
I'm glad your daughter is going

3471
03:39:30,400 --> 03:39:32,400
to be here for this very hour,
you know.

3472
03:39:32,400 --> 03:39:38,500
So I definitely see you lying to
his very clear there, is that

3473
03:39:38,500 --> 03:39:41,500
the bread that's being referred
to though is Christ.

3474
03:39:41,500 --> 03:39:44,000
Ministry is not called to
minister and do Miracles and to

3475
03:39:44,008 --> 03:39:46,200
do healings among the canine
people, that's what he's talking

3476
03:39:46,200 --> 03:39:49,000
about.
However, even if he's talking

3477
03:39:49,000 --> 03:39:53,400
about something beyond that, if
he means priesthood, Then.

3478
03:39:54,400 --> 03:39:57,200
She argues that, don't we
receive the crumbs of that

3479
03:39:57,200 --> 03:39:57,800
priest.
Attend.

3480
03:39:57,800 --> 03:40:00,700
The thing is Christ.
Blessed her anyways, even though

3481
03:40:00,700 --> 03:40:06,600
she was not and she was a
Canaanite, Canaanite to send you

3482
03:40:06,600 --> 03:40:11,700
still did receive the blessings.
So Washington faces and say she

3483
03:40:11,700 --> 03:40:15,800
receive the priesthood.
Can I talk here for just a

3484
03:40:15,800 --> 03:40:19,100
second?
And Justin, I really want to get

3485
03:40:19,100 --> 03:40:28,700
get get Jacobs response to this
because This this really seems

3486
03:40:28,700 --> 03:40:33,800
to spell it out and end it and
I'm not sure how to get around

3487
03:40:33,800 --> 03:40:36,000
this.
I'm willing to be wrong here but

3488
03:40:36,000 --> 03:40:39,500
mine is he again?
It says you know, he's going to

3489
03:40:39,500 --> 03:40:43,100
make him a great nation.
He's going to bless them above

3490
03:40:43,100 --> 03:40:49,700
measure when it gets real
specific in 9 and died named.

3491
03:40:49,700 --> 03:40:53,300
Great among all nations, and
thou shalt be a blessing unto

3492
03:40:53,300 --> 03:40:58,300
thy seed.
After the That in their hands,

3493
03:40:58,300 --> 03:41:02,800
meaning Abraham's seed, they
shall bear the ministry and the

3494
03:41:02,800 --> 03:41:06,000
priesthood until all the nations
and then intend, he goes on to

3495
03:41:06,000 --> 03:41:09,700
explain who that seed is.
And I will bless them through

3496
03:41:09,700 --> 03:41:12,200
thy name.
For as many as received, this

3497
03:41:12,200 --> 03:41:16,600
gospel shall be called after thy
name, and she'll be accounted

3498
03:41:16,600 --> 03:41:20,800
died seed, and she'll rise up
and bless the as their father.

3499
03:41:22,700 --> 03:41:26,000
Doesn't that way out?
Kind of the terms of becoming

3500
03:41:26,000 --> 03:41:30,600
Abraham seed in 10 and then, and
9, it tells what their

3501
03:41:30,600 --> 03:41:35,500
responsibilities are is if they
are his seed, which is to Bear

3502
03:41:35,500 --> 03:41:42,300
the priesthood and be ministers.
So again, I think it all comes

3503
03:41:42,300 --> 03:41:47,400
down to it, bursts 9, where it
if you're interpreting All

3504
03:41:47,400 --> 03:41:51,400
Nations, you know?
And that, that and your return.

3505
03:41:51,400 --> 03:41:58,400
And it says that as many as
poppy in 10, for as many as

3506
03:41:58,400 --> 03:42:02,400
received, this gospel shall be
called after 9 a.m. and she'll

3507
03:42:02,400 --> 03:42:03,500
be accounted.
I see.

3508
03:42:03,500 --> 03:42:07,600
It makes no mention of Nations,
it seems to be a very individual

3509
03:42:07,600 --> 03:42:08,700
commission.
Am I right?

3510
03:42:08,700 --> 03:42:10,800
Or am I wrong?
How am I misinterpreting that?

3511
03:42:10,800 --> 03:42:14,700
I'm not missing.
I'm not saying I'm just saying

3512
03:42:14,700 --> 03:42:16,900
that.
I think it's very myopic to be

3513
03:42:16,900 --> 03:42:23,100
trying to use Abraham chapter 2
verses 9, through 9, through 11

3514
03:42:23,100 --> 03:42:28,000
to argue against the plane
reading of Abraham 1:21 through

3515
03:42:28,000 --> 03:42:32,100
27, right?
In again I'm just curious how it

3516
03:42:32,100 --> 03:42:35,600
all fits together.
I'm not I'm trying to make sense

3517
03:42:35,600 --> 03:42:37,500
of that, they're open to the
gospel.

3518
03:42:37,500 --> 03:42:41,000
I I think that so this is kind
of what I want.

3519
03:42:41,000 --> 03:42:54,500
Jacob finished.
Justin I want I want to go back

3520
03:42:54,500 --> 03:42:59,000
to this as many as receive it
will be counted his seat cuz 9

3521
03:42:59,000 --> 03:43:04,200
it says what that means to be
his seed, which is to Bear the

3522
03:43:04,200 --> 03:43:12,300
priesthood and be ministers.
Well, I don't think that this is

3523
03:43:12,300 --> 03:43:18,500
like trying to use the, so some
people try to use Abraham and

3524
03:43:18,500 --> 03:43:21,900
Hagar the Egyptian saying that,
oh, she submitted.

3525
03:43:21,900 --> 03:43:25,300
So therefore, the priests of
that isn't legit because he's

3526
03:43:25,300 --> 03:43:28,500
allegedly marrying, a Dominican
woman, but then he goes and

3527
03:43:28,500 --> 03:43:32,000
forbids.
His the servant from selecting a

3528
03:43:32,000 --> 03:43:35,900
wife, from his son about
Canaanite lineage.

3529
03:43:35,900 --> 03:43:39,000
And I don't think that I don't
believe in as a schizophrenic

3530
03:43:39,000 --> 03:43:46,900
God.
I think that Hagar wasn't trying

3531
03:43:46,900 --> 03:43:50,300
to use one verse argue against
the plane reading of another

3532
03:43:50,300 --> 03:43:55,100
verse Harmonize all the verses.
I said I hate you can.

3533
03:43:55,100 --> 03:43:57,800
I've already harmonize them if
you read Abraham one.

3534
03:43:57,800 --> 03:44:00,300
As I explained what you admit.
It is a possible way to

3535
03:44:00,308 --> 03:44:02,900
interpret that.
Then I think you're having to

3536
03:44:02,900 --> 03:44:10,200
drive me to downplay Abraham,
1:21 through 24, to interpret 25

3537
03:44:10,200 --> 03:44:17,500
and 26 of the nation.
You're the, you're at home.

3538
03:44:17,500 --> 03:44:21,900
What the curse on in the land
was on the, who had the blood of

3539
03:44:21,900 --> 03:44:23,400
the cainites?
What was the curse?

3540
03:44:23,400 --> 03:44:29,000
It doesn't say, does it first on
the list and probably a curse on

3541
03:44:29,000 --> 03:44:32,500
the land.
No, they looked up the blood of

3542
03:44:32,500 --> 03:44:39,800
the Canaanites.
I I don't know what you're talk,

3543
03:44:39,800 --> 03:44:50,700
but what are you referring to?
Are you talking about multi the

3544
03:44:50,700 --> 03:44:53,700
blood of the Canaanites was
preserved in the land.

3545
03:44:53,700 --> 03:44:57,400
So what is the point of the
preserving the blood of the

3546
03:44:57,400 --> 03:45:01,000
Canaanites in the land?
If you're thinking 25 and 26 is

3547
03:45:01,000 --> 03:45:06,700
something completely different?
I don't I don't think I don't

3548
03:45:06,700 --> 03:45:10,200
think it it was preserved.
This is a mystery.

3549
03:45:11,300 --> 03:45:13,800
What, what do you mean?
Why do you think they're

3550
03:45:13,800 --> 03:45:17,800
concerned about that?
And they said the curse that's

3551
03:45:17,800 --> 03:45:21,200
from handspring, the race, which
preserved the curse in the land.

3552
03:45:21,200 --> 03:45:24,600
What curse was the blood of the
Canaanites?

3553
03:45:24,600 --> 03:45:27,000
And on the children of ham in
general?

3554
03:45:27,000 --> 03:45:30,600
Because that saying that is.
Why didn't Moses it described in

3555
03:45:30,600 --> 03:45:35,100
Moses 6?
And it basically says that their

3556
03:45:35,100 --> 03:45:38,500
land will be Barren, they will
have a Blackness come upon them,

3557
03:45:38,500 --> 03:45:44,000
and the land will not give up.
Its fruit, it'll be, they will

3558
03:45:44,000 --> 03:45:48,200
not Prosper.
That is the, the curse of the

3559
03:45:48,200 --> 03:45:50,800
Canaanites is given in Moses 6,
very clearly.

3560
03:45:51,900 --> 03:45:57,600
And you do agree with Moses 7:20
to wear a neck saw that the sons

3561
03:45:57,600 --> 03:45:59,100
of Adam, and they were a mixture
of.

3562
03:45:59,100 --> 03:46:02,200
All the seed is Adam, save it
where the seat of a YouTube

3563
03:46:02,200 --> 03:46:07,600
camera black and had not placed
among them as they were being

3564
03:46:07,600 --> 03:46:16,300
persecuted in and separated.
Yeah, there was a highly

3565
03:46:16,300 --> 03:46:20,000
appropriate in that context
because I mean they did just

3566
03:46:20,000 --> 03:46:24,300
commit genocide and this is not
this is not a thousand years

3567
03:46:24,300 --> 03:46:27,200
later after that.
So you think the blood of the

3568
03:46:27,200 --> 03:46:33,100
word preserved in Grand Chute on
21 through 25.

3569
03:46:33,100 --> 03:46:38,800
So what do you think that that
segregation was still applicable

3570
03:46:38,800 --> 03:46:41,400
in a brown?
One, 21 to 25.

3571
03:46:43,200 --> 03:46:46,100
That segregation in Moses 7 on
McCain.

3572
03:46:46,100 --> 03:46:51,800
In the segregation ended.
When Wenham took egypt-us wife,

3573
03:46:51,800 --> 03:46:53,400
right?
No.

3574
03:46:53,400 --> 03:46:57,700
Did it did actually end well did
he marry him?

3575
03:46:57,700 --> 03:47:02,700
Did he marry a Canaanite or not?
What was preserving but the

3576
03:47:02,700 --> 03:47:05,400
crush is explain why that
happened.

3577
03:47:05,400 --> 03:47:08,700
So that doesn't say that they
can't intermix.

3578
03:47:08,700 --> 03:47:11,500
That's the comes to chapter
later where it says that they

3579
03:47:11,500 --> 03:47:13,500
didn't.
We don't know why it isn't it

3580
03:47:13,500 --> 03:47:15,900
Bad to Cursed.
Didn't say anything about them

3581
03:47:15,900 --> 03:47:21,800
being not allowed to to
intermarry with the other races

3582
03:47:21,800 --> 03:47:23,600
of Adam.
I think they just chose not to

3583
03:47:23,600 --> 03:47:27,300
because I mean I mean like you
wouldn't want to go in and

3584
03:47:27,300 --> 03:47:32,400
probably marry, you know, it's a
German woman during during World

3585
03:47:32,400 --> 03:47:38,600
War II Yeah, but why you say
there's this emphasis on the

3586
03:47:38,600 --> 03:47:41,800
blood and the race.
It's not just mentioning the

3587
03:47:41,800 --> 03:47:44,200
culture of the canines as
mentioned in the blood of the

3588
03:47:44,200 --> 03:47:47,500
canines being preserved.
There was a Darkness That Came

3589
03:47:47,500 --> 03:47:50,400
Upon them right?
The darkness upon their skin and

3590
03:47:50,400 --> 03:47:52,700
it doesn't just mentioned that
mentions their children which

3591
03:47:52,700 --> 03:47:57,700
implies a genetic cursing of
Darkness upon upon their skins.

3592
03:47:59,200 --> 03:48:02,900
So, like I said, I see you and I
agreed that Abraham one is a

3593
03:48:02,908 --> 03:48:07,700
continuation of the revelations
in the book of Moses, where we

3594
03:48:07,700 --> 03:48:10,700
disagree, as you think that
verses 26 and 27 are

3595
03:48:10,700 --> 03:48:14,300
disconnected from verses 21
through 25.

3596
03:48:14,300 --> 03:48:22,600
I think they're very specific
and they explain an important

3597
03:48:22,600 --> 03:48:26,900
aspect of a priesthood and how
it works and it is done there

3598
03:48:26,900 --> 03:48:30,600
later on.
It's clarified and Abraham to

3599
03:48:31,700 --> 03:48:34,700
That ain't worth it.
Go I'm just lost it.

3600
03:48:37,600 --> 03:48:42,900
That true they bribe.
And so we're even if they're

3601
03:48:42,900 --> 03:48:46,800
even if there was a curse.
I appreciated it is.

3602
03:48:46,800 --> 03:48:52,900
You are as you propose.
It becomes very clear with

3603
03:48:52,900 --> 03:48:55,900
Abraham that if there was such a
curse clearly with the with the

3604
03:48:55,900 --> 03:48:57,300
creation of the abrahamic,
Covenant.

3605
03:48:57,300 --> 03:49:02,700
And I know that's just a chapter
later, but this is, you know,

3606
03:49:02,708 --> 03:49:05,800
the timeline here is issued
because right before that, we're

3607
03:49:05,800 --> 03:49:10,200
talking about Abraham in the
land of her and Potiphar's till

3608
03:49:10,200 --> 03:49:15,900
and we know that the abrahamic
Covenant came after the trial of

3609
03:49:15,900 --> 03:49:22,200
sacrificing Isaac.
So this is not to enter mixed

3610
03:49:22,200 --> 03:49:24,700
with them was preserved After
the flood.

3611
03:49:24,700 --> 03:49:28,900
Well, that wasn't part of the
curse and I think he probably

3612
03:49:28,900 --> 03:49:31,300
was, I think it probably was
preserved though.

3613
03:49:31,300 --> 03:49:33,600
But why?
Again, the whole nature of

3614
03:49:33,600 --> 03:49:35,400
curses, what is the nature of a
curse?

3615
03:49:35,400 --> 03:49:39,000
Is it that God wants bad things
upon those people or is a curse

3616
03:49:39,000 --> 03:49:42,300
God, declaring that the
consequences of their fathers

3617
03:49:42,300 --> 03:49:44,300
are going to lead to bad things
upon those people.

3618
03:49:44,300 --> 03:49:48,200
The Book of Mormon example,
again, as I mentioned, really is

3619
03:49:48,200 --> 03:49:51,800
very clear.
That it was the descendants of

3620
03:49:51,800 --> 03:49:53,300
Lena.
And lamia, we're not cursed

3621
03:49:53,300 --> 03:49:55,600
because God didn't want them to
receive the fullness.

3622
03:49:55,600 --> 03:49:58,400
They were cursed because of what
their fathers agency did

3623
03:49:58,400 --> 03:50:01,200
prevented them from being able
to receive the things that God

3624
03:50:01,200 --> 03:50:05,900
wanted them to be able to
receive Yeah and you know you're

3625
03:50:05,900 --> 03:50:10,600
reading Abraham too but I go on
to Genesis where Abraham, Jacob,

3626
03:50:10,600 --> 03:50:16,300
Isaac and Jacob, I am way more
comfortable calling into

3627
03:50:16,300 --> 03:50:19,900
question.
Abraham one where we're getting

3628
03:50:19,900 --> 03:50:22,000
some side commentary about
Egypt.

3629
03:50:22,000 --> 03:50:25,000
Then I am about questioning.
The literal words of the

3630
03:50:25,000 --> 03:50:30,000
abrahamic Covenant, one of those
is actually primary Central

3631
03:50:30,000 --> 03:50:34,000
Foundation to my understanding
of the gospel and how it ties

3632
03:50:34,000 --> 03:50:38,700
from from Abraham to Christ.
And that we can become a takers

3633
03:50:38,700 --> 03:50:41,600
of the blessings of the fullness
of the Gospel.

3634
03:50:41,600 --> 03:50:45,100
That that is all predicated on
that abrahamic, blessing, right

3635
03:50:45,100 --> 03:50:47,900
there.
And it is very explicit in its

3636
03:50:47,900 --> 03:50:51,900
language.
And the Very fact that there was

3637
03:50:51,900 --> 03:50:56,800
that the idea of race was
described in the chapter, right

3638
03:50:56,800 --> 03:51:00,700
above it but is not continued.
In the abrahamic.

3639
03:51:00,700 --> 03:51:03,300
Covenant, it is.
It's as clear as day.

3640
03:51:03,300 --> 03:51:08,500
It's absolutely as clear as day.
One verse of scripture to argue

3641
03:51:08,500 --> 03:51:14,100
against another scripture, but I
seen that you called the

3642
03:51:14,100 --> 03:51:16,000
question.
Abraham?

3643
03:51:16,000 --> 03:51:19,300
Chapter 1, your question, your
interpretation.

3644
03:51:19,300 --> 03:51:21,600
Cuz your interpretation of
Abraham when is incompatible

3645
03:51:21,600 --> 03:51:25,500
with the abrahamic, Covenant, my
interpretation of Abraham one is

3646
03:51:25,500 --> 03:51:28,300
not.
So, what's your big on?

3647
03:51:28,300 --> 03:51:30,500
Where was the dust at the Lord
Revelation?

3648
03:51:30,500 --> 03:51:32,100
It's doing the band was Joseph
Smith.

3649
03:51:32,100 --> 03:51:34,700
Where is it with Brigham Young?
Where's the dust at the ward?

3650
03:51:34,700 --> 03:51:38,100
Where is the explicit.
Stay at the Lord saying that

3651
03:51:38,100 --> 03:51:40,100
the, that the children of
Tainted.

3652
03:51:40,100 --> 03:51:43,000
Where'd you come into the
Covenant and super be partakers

3653
03:51:43,000 --> 03:51:46,300
of the priesthood and all the
blessings and ordinances of the

3654
03:51:46,300 --> 03:51:48,600
priests?
And I don't see a single lesson

3655
03:51:48,600 --> 03:51:52,100
8, the Lord anyting explicit in
the Old Testament in the pearl

3656
03:51:52,100 --> 03:51:55,400
of great price in the New
Testament to argue that you have

3657
03:51:55,400 --> 03:51:58,500
to infer it based off of what
you want to believe.

3658
03:51:58,500 --> 03:52:02,400
You're not seeing You're not
answering his birth at all

3659
03:52:02,400 --> 03:52:05,600
people.
I have to infer that all people

3660
03:52:05,600 --> 03:52:09,000
mean, all people, but all
nations means All Nations that

3661
03:52:09,000 --> 03:52:12,200
in your saying, that's an
incorrect interpretation.

3662
03:52:12,200 --> 03:52:15,000
I should be looking at this and
it should have the correct

3663
03:52:15,000 --> 03:52:19,200
interpretation is All Nations
except Africa, all people except

3664
03:52:19,200 --> 03:52:23,300
that race every where in
scripture, every where is great

3665
03:52:23,300 --> 03:52:30,400
condition with lifting it.
But Jesus said, you have

3666
03:52:30,400 --> 03:52:33,000
something that's implicit and
Matthew 15.

3667
03:52:33,000 --> 03:52:36,400
That's still saying I'm still
there, still not getting the

3668
03:52:36,400 --> 03:52:40,400
full blessings is what's
implicit in the story, right

3669
03:52:40,400 --> 03:52:44,400
woman interacting with Jesus
again it goes back to what

3670
03:52:44,400 --> 03:52:47,300
again, it really goes back to
your concept of what a cursed

3671
03:52:47,300 --> 03:52:49,400
thing is.
I don't believe any races are

3672
03:52:49,400 --> 03:52:51,700
cursed because that's God's
desire for them.

3673
03:52:51,700 --> 03:52:55,100
I don't believe any people at
any time or cursed because

3674
03:52:55,100 --> 03:52:58,500
that's God's desire for them.
They are when when, when a

3675
03:52:58,500 --> 03:53:00,700
cursing is pronounced, it is a
prophetic.

3676
03:53:02,100 --> 03:53:07,800
A prophetic announcement of the
consequences agree with Alma 13

3677
03:53:07,800 --> 03:53:11,700
3 through 5, teaching that
summer barred from holding the

3678
03:53:11,700 --> 03:53:13,900
priesthood because of their
actions Mercury systems.

3679
03:53:15,000 --> 03:53:21,100
I believe, well, It really is
more focused on that those who

3680
03:53:21,100 --> 03:53:25,200
do receive the priesthood had
been for a Dane to that priest

3681
03:53:25,200 --> 03:53:31,100
it, right?
The corollary is that, yeah,

3682
03:53:31,100 --> 03:53:34,200
some people aren't intended to
and I and I think I sadly, that

3683
03:53:34,200 --> 03:53:36,900
that is true.
I think sadly, that is true.

3684
03:53:36,900 --> 03:53:41,700
It isn't true because that's how
how, our god father, Adam

3685
03:53:41,700 --> 03:53:47,400
desires his children to be.
It's just a natural consequence

3686
03:53:47,400 --> 03:53:50,100
of the fact that not everybody
is going to even accept the

3687
03:53:50,100 --> 03:53:55,600
gospel.
But to dictate it by race to

3688
03:53:55,600 --> 03:54:01,100
curse a specific race.
When the whole Bible is about a

3689
03:54:01,100 --> 03:54:08,400
specific race from beginning to
end, it is and the purpose of

3690
03:54:08,400 --> 03:54:11,600
that shows and lineage is to
share the fullness with

3691
03:54:11,600 --> 03:54:13,700
everybody as Abraham is
abrahamic covenant.

3692
03:54:15,200 --> 03:54:19,700
Declares.
So that you it is about a chosen

3693
03:54:19,700 --> 03:54:23,500
race, a chosen ways with a
burden to lift the rest of their

3694
03:54:23,500 --> 03:54:26,900
Nations up to bring them into
the family and into the fold.

3695
03:54:26,900 --> 03:54:33,200
You say, Abraham's you into the
section, the doctrine covenants,

3696
03:54:33,200 --> 03:54:42,300
if he was 6 section, 3 it into,
I'm not reading what you're

3697
03:54:42,300 --> 03:54:45,700
saying that they say.
And what nations means, what do

3698
03:54:45,700 --> 03:54:50,100
you think that you think that
means that all nations is tepid,

3699
03:54:50,100 --> 03:54:53,200
the literal reading of all
Nations is only some Nations.

3700
03:54:53,200 --> 03:54:56,900
I don't think, I don't think
that Abraham, two can be used to

3701
03:54:56,900 --> 03:55:00,700
argue against Abraham chapter
one because it's explicitly.

3702
03:55:01,800 --> 03:55:07,100
Destroys your interpretation of
Abraham 10 because you will read

3703
03:55:07,100 --> 03:55:09,500
it.
I don't know what it was.

3704
03:55:09,500 --> 03:55:11,500
I don't think God really wants
to curse them.

3705
03:55:11,500 --> 03:55:16,100
That is what your position is.
Now my position is Abraham to is

3706
03:55:16,100 --> 03:55:21,200
explicit that the blind ones
explicit do and is not exposed

3707
03:55:21,200 --> 03:55:22,700
to it.
And you even can see that.

3708
03:55:22,700 --> 03:55:25,300
That to me earlier, you admit
her, I said that you had a

3709
03:55:25,300 --> 03:55:30,500
dividing, the verses from being
unrelated.

3710
03:55:32,000 --> 03:55:35,300
No, they are related.
It's were talking about Ferrell

3711
03:55:35,300 --> 03:55:38,300
and and how he came to be and
and why he's there, and what

3712
03:55:38,300 --> 03:55:41,800
happens to him and the blessings
that he didn't receive at that.

3713
03:55:41,800 --> 03:55:48,000
So you're at your big on where's
the best day of the Lord is

3714
03:55:48,000 --> 03:55:50,800
between the bad words, with us
at the word to Joseph Smith

3715
03:55:50,800 --> 03:55:58,300
saying, to let the bat, like
we're going to go either way,

3716
03:55:58,300 --> 03:56:01,000
where's the best day of the Lord
that blue-eyed people are

3717
03:56:01,000 --> 03:56:02,400
allowed to receive their
endowment?

3718
03:56:06,500 --> 03:56:08,600
Guess I guess they're going to
be forbidden.

3719
03:56:12,000 --> 03:56:19,800
Well, I'm just saying we need to
do something.

3720
03:56:19,800 --> 03:56:22,300
Then the Lord he said, tell us,
we're being forbidden to do

3721
03:56:22,300 --> 03:56:25,400
something.
If so, why do you think God

3722
03:56:25,400 --> 03:56:29,000
decided to reveal to us about
not just painting.

3723
03:56:29,000 --> 03:56:32,100
So you can say, when you read
Jesse's night, it's only Canaan.

3724
03:56:32,100 --> 03:56:33,700
That's being course, there's
nothing about the other children

3725
03:56:33,708 --> 03:56:38,000
have been cursed in a brown one,
it's revealed very explicitly.

3726
03:56:38,000 --> 03:56:41,400
The Joseph Smith to all the
children of the through, have

3727
03:56:41,400 --> 03:56:44,100
that string the race that
preserve the curse of the lad.

3728
03:56:44,100 --> 03:56:47,200
So your why do you think that
was revealed to Joseph Smith?

3729
03:56:47,200 --> 03:56:52,200
If it isn't relevant to today?
I'm not saying it's not

3730
03:56:52,200 --> 03:56:56,100
relevant.
And you're mixing the keenans.

3731
03:56:57,000 --> 03:57:02,200
The curse to him son, Keenan is
separate from the curb to the

3732
03:57:02,200 --> 03:57:05,600
Canaanites.
In Abraham one, we are referring

3733
03:57:05,600 --> 03:57:10,200
to the Canaanite, the priests
alluvion Canaanite people who

3734
03:57:10,200 --> 03:57:13,800
were cursed and have preserved
that yes, that.

3735
03:57:13,800 --> 03:57:16,000
Chris was preserved through
hands actions.

3736
03:57:16,000 --> 03:57:18,900
What, why do you think the Lord
thought it was important for us

3737
03:57:18,900 --> 03:57:23,200
to know that?
I don't think it was, this

3738
03:57:23,200 --> 03:57:25,700
wasn't written for Joseph Smith.
This was written.

3739
03:57:25,700 --> 03:57:28,000
This is this is the, this is
what Moses.

3740
03:57:28,000 --> 03:57:30,600
These are the writings of Moses
that weird that were being

3741
03:57:30,600 --> 03:57:45,100
translated by Joseph Smith
translated in Abraham really

3742
03:57:45,100 --> 03:57:49,100
applicable anymore.
I'm not saying it's not

3743
03:57:49,100 --> 03:57:53,000
applicable anymore.
So how is it, how is it felt

3744
03:57:53,000 --> 03:57:54,600
like a ball?
I looked it up.

3745
03:57:54,600 --> 03:57:57,200
I look at the world and I see
people of different skin color

3746
03:57:57,200 --> 03:58:01,200
and I see certain behavioral
aspects and even physical

3747
03:58:01,200 --> 03:58:08,700
physiological differences.
And it's clear that the curse as

3748
03:58:08,700 --> 03:58:14,600
described.
In in scripture, not what's gets

3749
03:58:14,600 --> 03:58:22,400
added to in in, in, in, in in.
Oh, I said that if we inserted

3750
03:58:22,400 --> 03:58:26,200
another band but the other the
rest of these gross things, I

3751
03:58:26,200 --> 03:58:27,800
believe they are real.
And I believe they have

3752
03:58:27,800 --> 03:58:31,800
consequence.
And the shades of the skin

3753
03:58:31,800 --> 03:58:35,000
existed today, Why do you think
it was important?

3754
03:58:35,000 --> 03:58:37,600
So you think it was just a
coincidence.

3755
03:58:37,600 --> 03:58:41,800
It's telling us about this curse
that was preserved through the

3756
03:58:41,800 --> 03:58:43,900
blood.
And then immediately afterwards

3757
03:58:43,900 --> 03:58:47,400
talks about Pharaoh, not having,
you know, he was cursed pertain

3758
03:58:47,400 --> 03:58:49,400
the priests of not having the
right of person.

3759
03:58:49,400 --> 03:59:04,100
You think it's just a
coincidence and your coven and

3760
03:59:04,108 --> 03:59:12,000
insignificant, that's fine.
But you can't argue that it is

3761
03:59:12,008 --> 03:59:15,600
exactly as it says I'm not
allowed to take it exactly as it

3762
03:59:15,600 --> 03:59:19,700
says. because in a previous
verse in commentary about

3763
03:59:19,700 --> 03:59:25,600
Pharaoh, if possible to
interpret it in a way, That

3764
03:59:25,600 --> 03:59:30,600
negates the abrahamic curse.
I'd say it's the other way

3765
03:59:30,600 --> 03:59:35,100
around, if anything.
I think the abrahamic Covenant

3766
03:59:35,100 --> 03:59:40,200
would negate any kind of curse
and ultimately, I think that is

3767
03:59:40,200 --> 03:59:42,600
what it will do.
The that cursing isn't a

3768
03:59:42,600 --> 03:59:44,700
Prohibition of creature.
That's a good two cursing.

3769
03:59:45,800 --> 03:59:51,700
Of a darkened skin of not
truthful of not of your work and

3770
03:59:51,700 --> 03:59:55,900
economy, not a and if we look
around today and we look at the

3771
03:59:55,900 --> 04:00:00,500
situations, we find a race with
that kind of dark and skin, but

3772
04:00:00,500 --> 04:00:04,200
compared to the rest of this
country are not doing so hot.

3773
04:00:06,100 --> 04:00:09,800
And I don't believe that again
is because God doesn't want them

3774
04:00:09,800 --> 04:00:13,900
to be doing.
Well, I think it's because of a

3775
04:00:13,900 --> 04:00:16,900
curse.
Not across that.

3776
04:00:16,900 --> 04:00:19,600
God places upon them.
But a curse that their fathers

3777
04:00:19,600 --> 04:00:24,100
that those before them created
through their own actions and

3778
04:00:24,100 --> 04:00:27,400
agencies that God was prohibited
from interfering with that.

3779
04:00:27,400 --> 04:00:31,100
Then create generations and
generations of the abuse and

3780
04:00:31,100 --> 04:00:34,300
neglect that go in repeating
Cycles.

3781
04:00:34,300 --> 04:00:55,100
Descendants of Cain.
Again I wouldn't say that not

3782
04:00:55,100 --> 04:00:57,300
like I would say that.
Well I mean there were specific

3783
04:00:57,300 --> 04:01:00,400
consequences to King's actions.
If you would if we want to call

3784
04:01:00,400 --> 04:01:01,800
that a curse, we can call that a
curse.

3785
04:01:01,800 --> 04:01:04,800
And I believe that some of the
cursed things affect our

3786
04:01:04,800 --> 04:01:09,200
multi-generational.
But again, that's not because

3787
04:01:09,200 --> 04:01:13,400
God wants those that the
generations after them to have

3788
04:01:13,400 --> 04:01:16,400
those bad things.
That's a consequence is the

3789
04:01:16,400 --> 04:01:21,800
consequence of sin is death.
So, why do you think he wanted

3790
04:01:21,800 --> 04:01:26,300
the race to preserve the cursing
allowed to continue After the

3791
04:01:26,300 --> 04:01:27,900
flood?
Why do you think.

3792
04:01:27,900 --> 04:01:30,100
If it wasn't what God did?
If it's what they did to

3793
04:01:30,100 --> 04:01:32,300
themselves?
Why would God want that to be

3794
04:01:32,308 --> 04:01:36,400
preserved After the flood?
Where does God command him to

3795
04:01:36,400 --> 04:01:40,000
marry Justice?
Well it's it seems to be

3796
04:01:40,008 --> 04:01:43,200
important that the white of the
Canaanites was preserved in the

3797
04:01:43,200 --> 04:01:45,300
land.
It's important to make note of

3798
04:01:45,300 --> 04:01:50,200
that.
I don't seek out to Manning him

3799
04:01:50,200 --> 04:01:57,900
to take Egypt us so that he's
under a curse was preserved

3800
04:01:57,900 --> 04:02:03,900
through the blood.
No, I don't.

3801
04:02:05,000 --> 04:02:08,600
I should have just let the race
be wiped out with the blood.

3802
04:02:09,600 --> 04:02:15,200
I think ham made a mistake.
I think you made me any mistakes

3803
04:02:15,200 --> 04:02:17,500
in his life, one of those
mistakes.

3804
04:02:18,800 --> 04:02:24,200
Was taking to wife a woman who
was not up to the standards,

3805
04:02:24,200 --> 04:02:30,200
probably, because of a curse,
not because God hated her, but

3806
04:02:30,200 --> 04:02:31,600
because that's how she was
taught.

3807
04:02:31,600 --> 04:02:34,000
That's how she was raised.
That's who her parents were.

3808
04:02:34,000 --> 04:02:37,900
And that that pretended, it
produces.

3809
04:02:37,900 --> 04:02:42,300
There was even the physiological
aspects of it that all carry

3810
04:02:42,300 --> 04:02:45,400
down.
Not because of God's will, but

3811
04:02:45,400 --> 04:02:48,600
because of man's Rebellion.
I don't believe anybody is

3812
04:02:48,600 --> 04:02:52,400
cursed because God wants them.
Cursed, cursed things are always

3813
04:02:52,400 --> 04:02:56,700
the consequence of man's
rebellion and it's never got the

3814
04:02:56,700 --> 04:02:59,000
desire to see that those curses
continue.

3815
04:02:59,000 --> 04:03:03,500
And anytime of those purses have
continued lot, just like, in the

3816
04:03:03,500 --> 04:03:06,300
Book of Mormon on the name of
the money on Brookhurst, we've

3817
04:03:06,300 --> 04:03:08,800
got any fight even though you
even before they were cursed

3818
04:03:08,800 --> 04:03:11,300
Nephi, find out, they're going
to be cursed and he is pleading

3819
04:03:11,300 --> 04:03:14,200
with the Lord that they can be
reclaimed that, their

3820
04:03:14,200 --> 04:03:18,200
descendants can be reclaimed.
And all the props to the Book of

3821
04:03:18,200 --> 04:03:24,500
Mormon are intensely focused.
On teaching the gospel to their

3822
04:03:24,500 --> 04:03:30,500
people and then also to lift the
curse on the Rev. And we even

3823
04:03:30,500 --> 04:03:34,200
have some missionaries to
actually go out and accomplish

3824
04:03:34,200 --> 04:03:36,900
it.
And Christ accomplish, is it for

3825
04:03:36,900 --> 04:03:41,700
a Time?
But again, God doesn't want

3826
04:03:41,700 --> 04:03:44,300
those people in Garden.
Want the lamanites live in

3827
04:03:44,300 --> 04:03:48,400
squalor murdering each other,
doing all that stuff but that's

3828
04:03:48,400 --> 04:03:50,700
what they were taught.
That's what that's the culture.

3829
04:03:50,700 --> 04:03:52,800
Those are the things that their
fathers left them.

3830
04:03:53,600 --> 04:03:58,300
And as soon as there were men
with enough inspiration and

3831
04:03:58,300 --> 04:04:01,500
testimony and desire to
sacrifice and serve on their

3832
04:04:01,500 --> 04:04:04,400
behalf.
They went to them and were able

3833
04:04:04,400 --> 04:04:06,200
to reclaim them and remove the
curse.

3834
04:04:11,300 --> 04:04:12,800
Definitely an interesting
perspective.

3835
04:04:12,800 --> 04:04:16,500
Okay, Dave, how are you doing?
It's been a marked man.

3836
04:04:16,500 --> 04:04:18,200
I'm I'm doing.
All right.

3837
04:04:18,200 --> 04:04:21,700
I was going to say, let's I feel
like we got that one.

3838
04:04:21,700 --> 04:04:28,300
We could have got all night, I
feel like but I want it.

3839
04:04:28,300 --> 04:04:32,700
I want to push back here on
Justin just for a second since I

3840
04:04:32,700 --> 04:04:36,700
seem to open up a can of worms
with Abraham to after Justin

3841
04:04:36,700 --> 04:04:42,500
read it, but I wanted I want to
go into something here.

3842
04:04:42,500 --> 04:04:45,200
A question I have about Brigham
Young and Joseph.

3843
04:04:45,200 --> 04:04:48,800
I want to go back to where it
instituted and then after that I

3844
04:04:48,800 --> 04:04:53,100
want to get our our final
statements and wrap up cuz I

3845
04:04:53,108 --> 04:04:56,200
feel like we've managed to cover
just about everything we set out

3846
04:04:56,200 --> 04:04:58,900
to cover.
A kind of wandered around but I

3847
04:04:58,900 --> 04:05:03,200
feel like we got there and then
if if you guys don't feel that

3848
04:05:03,200 --> 04:05:06,900
way then then we'll talk here
before we we do our wrap-up.

3849
04:05:06,900 --> 04:05:17,800
Thanks but I think you did a
really great job, I found two

3850
04:05:17,800 --> 04:05:20,900
guys who were extremely
intelligent way smarter than I

3851
04:05:20,900 --> 04:05:25,800
am and I let you to debate.
And I got to say, It.

3852
04:05:25,800 --> 04:05:29,400
It's 8:00.
Intense a little bit, but you

3853
04:05:29,400 --> 04:05:32,800
guys have done great holding it
together, so good on both of

3854
04:05:32,800 --> 04:05:35,100
you.
There was a couple of times I

3855
04:05:35,108 --> 04:05:37,600
was like, oh well we're going to
have to, you know, all get

3856
04:05:37,600 --> 04:05:40,800
together and hug this out.
But I think I think I've been

3857
04:05:40,800 --> 04:05:44,400
buying large we've done.
Well, okay, I want to talk about

3858
04:05:44,400 --> 04:05:48,000
Joseph and bring him here for a
second cuz the one thing I'll

3859
04:05:48,000 --> 04:05:51,800
say and the reason I bring this
up as this seems to be a nap,

3860
04:05:51,800 --> 04:05:55,800
if, if this is Brigham's
invention, it seems to be kind

3861
04:05:55,800 --> 04:05:58,800
of an aberration, right?
Cuz for the most part, Brigham

3862
04:05:58,800 --> 04:06:02,300
sticks really close to with what
Joseph Smith talk, right?

3863
04:06:02,300 --> 04:06:06,700
If you go to Adam God, you have
Elijah are snow that backs up,

3864
04:06:06,700 --> 04:06:09,900
you know hey Joseph top this
before Brigham did.

3865
04:06:11,200 --> 04:06:15,500
So address how it is.
Then that then on this one

3866
04:06:15,500 --> 04:06:20,600
issue, he goes Rogue.
So to speak away from Joseph

3867
04:06:20,600 --> 04:06:21,500
Smith.
Does that make sense?

3868
04:06:22,700 --> 04:06:28,600
well, and It just seems out of
character for who Brigham was.

3869
04:06:31,300 --> 04:06:35,400
Well sure, but I mean, I think
it seems out of character for,

3870
04:06:35,400 --> 04:06:40,700
for Joseph, Smith's to, to
receive a false Revelation and

3871
04:06:40,700 --> 04:06:43,000
and go to Canada, looking to
sell the rights of the Book of

3872
04:06:43,000 --> 04:06:44,900
Mormon.
I mean, I guess again, these

3873
04:06:44,900 --> 04:06:48,800
are, these are mortal men.
They are ultimately, I don't

3874
04:06:48,800 --> 04:06:50,400
think they're really that
different from me.

3875
04:06:50,400 --> 04:06:54,300
And you we like to think that
they are but I don't really

3876
04:06:54,300 --> 04:06:56,500
think they're that different.
They just have that a Divine

3877
04:06:56,500 --> 04:07:01,000
mandate which creates a burden
in an expectation.

3878
04:07:01,000 --> 04:07:05,300
And for the most part I think
that they live up to it it

3879
04:07:05,300 --> 04:07:10,200
exemplary exemplary well Brigham
Young Joseph Smith, I even John

3880
04:07:10,200 --> 04:07:11,700
Taylor.
I mean I mean there's a quote of

3881
04:07:11,700 --> 04:07:14,800
John Taylor I think I think it
was John Taylor talking about

3882
04:07:14,800 --> 04:07:20,700
people on the moon.
These are these are just men and

3883
04:07:20,700 --> 04:07:24,300
when the spirit is upon them and
they are preaching by the spirit

3884
04:07:24,300 --> 04:07:27,300
of God, and that testimony comes
into your heart.

3885
04:07:27,300 --> 04:07:30,500
You can know where we expect to
do.

3886
04:07:30,500 --> 04:07:37,900
Do those things again.
Joseph Smith. taught us that

3887
04:07:39,200 --> 04:07:47,400
well, he was concerned China.
somewhere, I've got some notes,

3888
04:07:47,400 --> 04:07:51,100
but I'm not very good at
organizing these things, but it

3889
04:07:51,100 --> 04:07:57,300
did Joseph Smith was concerned
that the The people were relying

3890
04:07:57,300 --> 04:08:01,500
upon him too much, they were not
seeking their own testimonies

3891
04:08:01,500 --> 04:08:05,800
and in that state, their minds
would become dark and they would

3892
04:08:05,800 --> 04:08:11,900
be so to speak cursed.
And Brigham Young also expresses

3893
04:08:11,900 --> 04:08:18,500
dire concern about the people
following, even him blindly and

3894
04:08:18,500 --> 04:08:21,900
just accepting everything that
he says, and being led astray by

3895
04:08:21,900 --> 04:08:25,000
that.
These and I understand why they

3896
04:08:25,000 --> 04:08:26,800
would say that.
Because if they had, I can't

3897
04:08:26,800 --> 04:08:30,300
imagine the burden and
responsibility that God put upon

3898
04:08:30,300 --> 04:08:32,500
their shoulders, they had a lot
of things to do.

3899
04:08:32,500 --> 04:08:36,600
A lot of important things to do,
Brigham Young pretty much built

3900
04:08:36,600 --> 04:08:41,400
the West.
And that sending out the other

3901
04:08:41,400 --> 04:08:45,200
the colonies and establishing
all that, the track West was

3902
04:08:45,200 --> 04:08:49,300
miraculous.
And was highly blessed of the

3903
04:08:49,300 --> 04:08:52,700
Lord, but that there was so much
he's got the burden of not even

3904
04:08:52,700 --> 04:08:55,500
just the, he was also the
Governor at the time.

3905
04:08:55,500 --> 04:08:58,000
So he's got all these
responsibilities.

3906
04:08:58,000 --> 04:09:01,500
All this weight.
Well, he was governor in Utah,

3907
04:09:01,500 --> 04:09:04,100
right, buttock.
We so he's got a lot of

3908
04:09:04,100 --> 04:09:09,300
responsibilities and and it's
also I know of myself that once

3909
04:09:09,300 --> 04:09:13,500
you start Sometimes when you
start going down the wrong

3910
04:09:13,500 --> 04:09:16,000
track, it can be really hard to
to back out of it.

3911
04:09:16,000 --> 04:09:22,200
You can you can get to a point
where you can, So to speak.

3912
04:09:24,500 --> 04:09:30,200
Deceive yourself on his shoes
and and get an I've been there

3913
04:09:30,200 --> 04:09:32,200
before.
I mean, they're there was

3914
04:09:32,200 --> 04:09:37,800
probably a good three years of
my life that I struggled with a

3915
04:09:37,800 --> 04:09:41,600
very specific issue that I was
thought I was inspired in on it

3916
04:09:41,600 --> 04:09:45,100
when I wasn't and I, I've been
there kicking against the Pricks

3917
04:09:45,100 --> 04:09:49,500
in that regard.
But again it's not I don't

3918
04:09:49,500 --> 04:09:55,200
believe that that that Brigham
Young was This wasn't the

3919
04:09:55,200 --> 04:09:59,100
central issue.
This is not the primary topic of

3920
04:09:59,100 --> 04:10:02,100
every sermon that he ever taught
it can.

3921
04:10:02,100 --> 04:10:06,800
It can seem that way when you
read them because they are so in

3922
04:10:06,800 --> 04:10:09,900
your face and it would see him a
lot because the anti Mormons

3923
04:10:09,900 --> 04:10:13,200
love to to share this stuff to
shock, and awe away, people's

3924
04:10:13,200 --> 04:10:18,800
testimonies.
But I think it's absolutely.

3925
04:10:18,800 --> 04:10:22,900
It's from within my theology
from how I understand the

3926
04:10:22,900 --> 04:10:25,000
gospel.
From what I understand, the

3927
04:10:25,000 --> 04:10:31,800
calling of an apostle and a
prophet to be we can we can

3928
04:10:31,800 --> 04:10:37,200
receive our own Revelation and
you know, this is a debate, so I

3929
04:10:37,200 --> 04:10:42,500
really don't intend to go there,
but ultimately that is I am my

3930
04:10:42,500 --> 04:10:44,000
opinion that is the ultimate
answer.

3931
04:10:44,000 --> 04:10:50,400
I think took to this question
and so yeah, it does that answer

3932
04:10:50,400 --> 04:10:52,000
your question?
I think so.

3933
04:10:52,000 --> 04:10:56,100
I think so, you just think that
he got off track on this one

3934
04:10:56,100 --> 04:11:00,100
thing and kind of took too far.
And I also would say as Jacob

3935
04:11:00,100 --> 04:11:02,000
mentioned, this isn't that big
of a deal.

3936
04:11:02,000 --> 04:11:06,300
It's not like to her a lot of
people out there not like you,

3937
04:11:06,300 --> 04:11:12,400
you have a congregation that
are, you know, 25% black with

3938
04:11:12,400 --> 04:11:15,500
it, with all of them, you know?
If you, I mean appealing and

3939
04:11:15,500 --> 04:11:17,000
saying, hey, we want, we want
this.

3940
04:11:17,000 --> 04:11:19,200
We want this constantly.
I mean, it wasn't an issue.

3941
04:11:19,200 --> 04:11:23,200
That would be brought up
necessarily all that often.

3942
04:11:23,200 --> 04:11:28,100
We just at the instigation of
Elijah Abel Desiring, the temple

3943
04:11:28,100 --> 04:11:33,800
blessings Manning, requesting
her feeling that she thinks

3944
04:11:33,800 --> 04:11:39,800
you're saying, this was a major
thing, you know any

3945
04:11:39,800 --> 04:11:43,600
controversial subject Early
Utah, more minutes because they

3946
04:11:43,600 --> 04:11:45,900
they just love touching all the
controversial and right.

3947
04:11:48,200 --> 04:11:51,600
We read the Journal of
discourses regularly as a

3948
04:11:51,608 --> 04:11:52,800
family.
We read through different

3949
04:11:52,800 --> 04:11:56,400
portions of the sermon.
Tried to do that as frequently

3950
04:11:56,400 --> 04:12:00,400
as we can and I and when I have
friends visiting I lost and say,

3951
04:12:00,400 --> 04:12:02,000
hey, we're still going to do
this.

3952
04:12:02,000 --> 04:12:05,200
If you want to sit down for 30
minutes and listen, listen to us

3953
04:12:05,200 --> 04:12:09,400
through our reading and I have a
very Progressive prognyl, I

3954
04:12:09,400 --> 04:12:12,200
guess you would say friend use,
you know, he's interested in

3955
04:12:12,200 --> 04:12:14,500
Saved by the bell's.
The body doesn't accept any of

3956
04:12:14,500 --> 04:12:18,100
the, the fundamentalist beliefs
and his interest in her anymore,

3957
04:12:18,100 --> 04:12:25,400
and he's like, oh boy, what a my
Bluetooth out of his eyes.

3958
04:12:25,400 --> 04:12:28,700
Jacob.
And it was just kind of like a

3959
04:12:28,700 --> 04:12:34,700
very straightforward sermon on
the simple gospel, truth, and

3960
04:12:34,700 --> 04:12:37,400
helping others.
And, and, you know, teaching the

3961
04:12:37,400 --> 04:12:41,000
principal, the gospels is very
rudimentary stuff that break

3962
04:12:41,000 --> 04:12:42,700
them tall.
And and he's like, you know,

3963
04:12:42,700 --> 04:12:45,500
that was a really great sermon
and he's like that wasn't one of

3964
04:12:45,508 --> 04:12:50,100
the problematic one.
Percent of of more than 90

3965
04:12:50,100 --> 04:12:51,500
per-cent of Brigham Young
sermons.

3966
04:12:51,500 --> 04:12:55,800
It's just teaching simple gospel
screws and it isn't the

3967
04:12:55,800 --> 04:12:58,600
controversial stuff.
I like, you know, I'll find the

3968
04:12:58,600 --> 04:13:02,200
one or two out of God sermons in
each volume of the Journal of

3969
04:13:02,200 --> 04:13:08,400
discourses, you know about
Jacob.

3970
04:13:08,400 --> 04:13:12,100
Why don't you give us your
closing statement?

3971
04:13:12,100 --> 04:13:15,800
However, you want to put it and
then we'll go to Justin and

3972
04:13:15,800 --> 04:13:18,400
we'll wrap this bad boy up put a
bow on her.

3973
04:13:18,400 --> 04:13:21,500
So yeah just to kind of
summarize.

3974
04:13:21,500 --> 04:13:25,100
I I do think that we need to
take the words of the prophets

3975
04:13:25,100 --> 04:13:28,700
in the words of the scripture
seriously and a holistic matter

3976
04:13:28,700 --> 04:13:34,000
and I I do think this is a
doctrine of of racial hatred.

3977
04:13:34,000 --> 04:13:38,000
I think that can be misconstrued
I said this Doctrine was just

3978
04:13:38,000 --> 04:13:40,800
recognizing a different people
are in different places in their

3979
04:13:40,800 --> 04:13:43,700
progression and Brigham Young
said that if they live

3980
04:13:43,700 --> 04:13:46,300
righteously they will get all
the blessings they live where

3981
04:13:46,300 --> 04:13:50,100
before eventually so I Was never
about they're fundamentally

3982
04:13:50,100 --> 04:13:52,500
worthless people.
It was never anything.

3983
04:13:52,500 --> 04:13:55,400
Like they are eternally
inferior.

3984
04:13:55,400 --> 04:13:58,200
That was not Brigham Young's
teaching in anyway.

3985
04:13:58,200 --> 04:14:03,400
And I would just like, to just
comment on, you know, then bring

3986
04:14:03,400 --> 04:14:06,600
him young said that his inspired
sermons for scripture.

3987
04:14:06,600 --> 04:14:09,300
He said, you never saw a man
that was called again, Apostle

3988
04:14:09,300 --> 04:14:14,800
you never heard or been calling
his teachings.

3989
04:14:14,800 --> 04:14:17,300
Are the words of Life, the keys
of life and salvation for the

3990
04:14:17,300 --> 04:14:21,200
people to whom he spoke our life
to all those who believe in,

3991
04:14:21,200 --> 04:14:23,700
strictly obey them, but they're
rejected their death.

3992
04:14:23,700 --> 04:14:26,300
So much for those who say that
Brigham is not a prophet that

3993
04:14:26,300 --> 04:14:29,100
he'd heard, Daniel are not
profit by my name scores of

3994
04:14:29,100 --> 04:14:31,500
others demanded by their priests
are called the, apostleship the

3995
04:14:31,500 --> 04:14:33,600
words of eternal life throws at
them like a river.

3996
04:14:33,600 --> 04:14:36,600
It's the words of life.
If the words of Life flowed

3997
04:14:36,600 --> 04:14:39,000
through, then they do not live
up to the Privileges that is

3998
04:14:39,000 --> 04:14:41,200
equally true.
Now to you that feel as though

3999
04:14:41,200 --> 04:14:43,400
there have to be a great deal of
preaching and new revelation

4000
04:14:43,400 --> 04:14:46,700
Revelation I would recommend the
drill discourses brother George

4001
04:14:46,700 --> 04:14:48,800
C.
W is reported my disc The others

4002
04:14:48,800 --> 04:14:51,300
and set them to England and have
them printed which cannot be

4003
04:14:51,300 --> 04:14:53,700
obtained here in volume, take
them and read them.

4004
04:14:53,700 --> 04:14:56,400
If you can search the volumes of
Eternity, the volumes of heaven

4005
04:14:56,400 --> 04:14:59,000
and see if my teachings do not
agree in principle of Truth.

4006
04:14:59,000 --> 04:15:02,200
With the words, all the words,
if they do, they're the words of

4007
04:15:02,200 --> 04:15:03,800
life and salvation to all, who
believe.

4008
04:15:03,800 --> 04:15:06,500
And every man who reject my
words, rejects life and

4009
04:15:06,500 --> 04:15:10,000
salvation to his own soul.
So that's just reiterating.

4010
04:15:10,000 --> 04:15:13,900
What's in section 67 to
Firebirds of profit are, as good

4011
04:15:13,900 --> 04:15:16,500
as scripture regardless of
whether it's written in a prior

4012
04:15:16,500 --> 04:15:21,900
scripture or not.
And so the other statement and

4013
04:15:21,900 --> 04:15:26,700
hide when they are debating atom
got worse and Pratt in the eight

4014
04:15:26,700 --> 04:15:28,600
in 1860 in the Quorum of The
Twelve.

4015
04:15:28,600 --> 04:15:33,300
His reasoning in defense of Adam
God and he said they're supposed

4016
04:15:33,300 --> 04:15:37,500
to or seems to acknowledge God
and that there is a presiding

4017
04:15:37,500 --> 04:15:41,800
power as you admit that you can
advance incorrect Doctrine is to

4018
04:15:41,800 --> 04:15:45,100
lay the acts of the root of the
tree and then he goes on.

4019
04:15:45,100 --> 04:15:50,000
It says will brother.
They are in the price of a horse

4020
04:15:50,000 --> 04:15:53,200
or a house in lock button.
The Revelation from God, where

4021
04:15:53,200 --> 04:15:54,600
is the man that has given the
state?

4022
04:15:54,600 --> 04:15:57,200
The Lord, when it's not?
So I cannot find one instance.

4023
04:15:57,200 --> 04:16:00,400
And so, you're just saying that
if the head of the priesthood

4024
04:16:00,400 --> 04:16:04,000
can be foundationally wrong and
he was representing out of God

4025
04:16:04,000 --> 04:16:07,000
in that context, but I would
say, it applies to Brigham

4026
04:16:07,000 --> 04:16:11,200
Young's other controversial
doctor and she says, well then

4027
04:16:11,200 --> 04:16:13,100
that lays an axe to the root of
the whole tree.

4028
04:16:13,100 --> 04:16:19,000
And so, I do think that Brigham,
I have serious reservations with

4029
04:16:19,000 --> 04:16:22,600
people coming at things from the
twentieth and twenty-first

4030
04:16:22,608 --> 04:16:27,300
Century.
Let them and Doctrine is now

4031
04:16:27,300 --> 04:16:31,700
starting to because these ideas
are socially acceptable anymore,

4032
04:16:31,700 --> 04:16:35,000
they are very socially
controversial and unpopular

4033
04:16:35,000 --> 04:16:38,000
that, you know, people look back
and think that these were just

4034
04:16:38,000 --> 04:16:40,700
men of their times and that
they're their doctrines were

4035
04:16:40,700 --> 04:16:43,100
actually inspired of these
regards.

4036
04:16:43,100 --> 04:16:47,200
I think that that is dangerous
road to go down and my personal

4037
04:16:47,200 --> 04:16:50,100
perspective.
You think that we do need to

4038
04:16:50,100 --> 04:16:51,300
hold the scriptures as our
standard?

4039
04:16:51,300 --> 04:16:54,200
We do need to hold the, the
Inspire teachings of the

4040
04:16:54,200 --> 04:16:56,400
prophets.
I'm not saying that you blindly

4041
04:16:56,400 --> 04:16:58,700
follow anything.
Any profit has ever said, you

4042
04:16:58,700 --> 04:17:01,100
need to seek your own
confirmation of it, but I do

4043
04:17:01,100 --> 04:17:03,500
think that I, I would have a
hard time.

4044
04:17:03,500 --> 04:17:07,300
Imagining Brigham Young as the
man of God that he was airing in

4045
04:17:07,300 --> 04:17:11,400
such a foundational significant
matter as this issue.

4046
04:17:11,400 --> 04:17:15,700
So, I'm grateful for this today.
I'm grateful for Justin and his

4047
04:17:15,700 --> 04:17:19,300
patience and willingness to
participate in this very long

4048
04:17:19,300 --> 04:17:22,300
evening, and thank you.
Thanks, Dave, for putting this

4049
04:17:22,300 --> 04:17:26,500
on so that I'll say thank you
for coming on, man.

4050
04:17:26,500 --> 04:17:28,300
It's, it's a hot-button issue
for sure.

4051
04:17:28,300 --> 04:17:31,200
But one when I definitely want
to cover.

4052
04:17:31,200 --> 04:17:34,100
So dude, I can't tell you how
much.

4053
04:17:34,100 --> 04:17:37,500
I appreciate your being here.
I really do.

4054
04:17:37,500 --> 04:17:40,400
All right, just in your turn.
My man.

4055
04:17:41,500 --> 04:17:44,900
All right.
Well, I guess for the vault, I

4056
04:17:44,900 --> 04:17:48,100
also, I would like to thank
Jacob for willing to participate

4057
04:17:48,100 --> 04:17:54,800
with me on this end to You know,
22, been so respectful.

4058
04:17:54,800 --> 04:17:57,400
I hope you.
I hope you got that that's in

4059
04:17:57,408 --> 04:17:59,100
for me as well.
I don't feel like you've been

4060
04:17:59,100 --> 04:18:02,200
disrespectful in any way.
We might have different opinions

4061
04:18:02,200 --> 04:18:04,500
on this, but I am.
I want.

4062
04:18:04,500 --> 04:18:05,900
I just want to be clear to, I
am.

4063
04:18:05,900 --> 04:18:13,200
Absolutely. willing to respect
your opinion on this and your

4064
04:18:13,200 --> 04:18:18,400
stance, the things that you have
decided decided if this is, if

4065
04:18:18,400 --> 04:18:20,900
this bleeding, this is
unacceptable to you.

4066
04:18:20,908 --> 04:18:22,500
That's okay.
That doesn't make you an enemy.

4067
04:18:22,500 --> 04:18:24,200
That doesn't mean we can't be
friends.

4068
04:18:28,900 --> 04:18:32,800
And I and I hope that that can
be extended to other direction

4069
04:18:32,800 --> 04:18:37,500
as well.
It definitely is thank you.

4070
04:18:37,500 --> 04:18:41,300
I appreciate that.
Jacob I really do because I

4071
04:18:41,300 --> 04:18:45,600
don't I have not got such a I
have not gotten that necessarily

4072
04:18:45,600 --> 04:18:47,500
from everybody.
I've tried to to share my

4073
04:18:47,500 --> 04:18:50,300
beliefs.
On this way will look.

4074
04:18:50,300 --> 04:18:54,200
If anybody has any issues, what
we do and I'm willing to do this

4075
04:18:54,200 --> 04:18:57,600
because I believe in bringing
people together, we'll just have

4076
04:18:57,600 --> 04:18:59,800
another barbecue.
I'll smoke another 40 lb.

4077
04:18:59,800 --> 04:19:02,200
Brisket will invite everybody
down that.

4078
04:19:02,200 --> 04:19:05,200
Smooths everything right, over
awesome.

4079
04:19:05,200 --> 04:19:11,200
I am, I'm all for that.
So Anyway, I think it's been a

4080
04:19:11,200 --> 04:19:13,800
good debate.
I feel like, you know, we've

4081
04:19:13,800 --> 04:19:18,400
both been able to express our
ideas in our in our opinions,

4082
04:19:18,400 --> 04:19:22,000
and ultimately I imagine our
testimonies cuz at least on my

4083
04:19:22,000 --> 04:19:24,600
side, you know, I have a
testimony of the things that

4084
04:19:24,608 --> 04:19:29,600
I've shared and I am
specifically in the context of

4085
04:19:29,600 --> 04:19:33,800
the neighbor hammock.
Covenant, to me, I kind of

4086
04:19:33,800 --> 04:19:36,700
didn't go there earlier at the
time because I kind of wanted to

4087
04:19:36,700 --> 04:19:45,300
to go there later.
What is it has been a burden on

4088
04:19:45,300 --> 04:19:51,200
me to be honest.
This Doctrine. and it is a

4089
04:19:51,208 --> 04:19:55,400
burden that despite how much I
prayed about it, it is, it would

4090
04:19:55,400 --> 04:20:07,200
never it was never made light
and I have a very, very special.

4091
04:20:09,100 --> 04:20:13,900
Testimony of the blessings of
the temple and the way that

4092
04:20:13,900 --> 04:20:18,000
those things says I have changed
my life and changed the life of

4093
04:20:18,000 --> 04:20:24,000
my family and these blessings.
Matter of fact, ultimately is it

4094
04:20:24,000 --> 04:20:26,500
was the pursuit of these
blessings that led me out of the

4095
04:20:26,500 --> 04:20:30,100
church and into fundamentalism
because I I realize that I'm not

4096
04:20:30,100 --> 04:20:31,800
going be able to find those
blessings there.

4097
04:20:31,800 --> 04:20:37,000
I feel a lot like, is Nephi
describe that, you know, his

4098
04:20:37,000 --> 04:20:40,000
ABCs things, his father's
received and he wants, Bill to

4099
04:20:40,000 --> 04:20:42,000
receive those things too.
And I look at the church and I

4100
04:20:42,008 --> 04:20:44,200
look at church history and I see
the things of the early

4101
04:20:44,200 --> 04:20:46,700
registration is now I want to be
able to receive those things

4102
04:20:46,700 --> 04:20:49,600
too.
And I can, I can testify that I

4103
04:20:49,600 --> 04:20:52,100
have been greatly blessed and
finding those things and

4104
04:20:52,100 --> 04:20:57,600
receiving those things.
And it's honestly because of

4105
04:20:57,600 --> 04:21:01,500
that, this desire that because I
have been given much.

4106
04:21:01,500 --> 04:21:08,200
I like to Feel that I too must
give and the blessings of the

4107
04:21:08,200 --> 04:21:11,600
Goddess was great in and it is a
blessing it is baptism in the

4108
04:21:11,608 --> 04:21:14,600
gifts in the Holy Ghost to our.
I know that it is not the end

4109
04:21:14,600 --> 04:21:18,900
and I was night when I read the
scriptures, no matter where I'm

4110
04:21:18,900 --> 04:21:20,400
reading it.
Whether I'm reading in Doctrine

4111
04:21:20,400 --> 04:21:22,400
and Covenants, whether I'm
reading the New Testament, where

4112
04:21:22,400 --> 04:21:26,200
it with her mean the Book of
Mormon the central message is,

4113
04:21:26,200 --> 04:21:29,400
is that the whole point of all
of this, the whole point of the

4114
04:21:29,400 --> 04:21:32,200
other a Priestly line and a
priesthood.

4115
04:21:32,200 --> 04:21:36,900
In general, the whole point of a
God's chosen Israelite, people

4116
04:21:36,900 --> 04:21:40,600
all of this is to bring these
things to the entire Earth.

4117
04:21:40,600 --> 04:21:47,700
Less the entire Earth. and so I
guess my message, maybe to Jacob

4118
04:21:47,700 --> 04:21:49,600
and end, it may be anybody else
listening if they find

4119
04:21:49,600 --> 04:21:52,200
themselves, you know, in this
position of, if that if that

4120
04:21:52,200 --> 04:21:59,300
gets hard to hold onto even a At
a spiritual level.

4121
04:21:59,300 --> 04:22:04,200
If it's if it becomes burdensome
I want you to know that I'm

4122
04:22:04,200 --> 04:22:07,200
trying to.
I'm not I'm not a scholar.

4123
04:22:07,200 --> 04:22:10,700
This really is a little bit
outside of my area of expertise

4124
04:22:10,700 --> 04:22:16,500
but I've been trying to study
this because Because of well,

4125
04:22:16,500 --> 04:22:21,400
basically, because of what what
I read in in Abraham and so my

4126
04:22:21,400 --> 04:22:23,700
invitation is is that I want to
provide an alternative

4127
04:22:23,708 --> 04:22:31,200
explanation as solution if in
your heart of hearts, this feels

4128
04:22:31,200 --> 04:22:33,500
wrong and it feels like it's
not, right?

4129
04:22:33,500 --> 04:22:39,400
And I have seen people who have
gone anti with that, but I

4130
04:22:39,400 --> 04:22:42,100
haven't seen a lot of people
actually try to come up with a

4131
04:22:42,100 --> 04:22:46,900
sincere honest.
Faith-based explanation.

4132
04:22:46,900 --> 04:22:50,300
And I know ultimately I have
come out and I said, you know, I

4133
04:22:50,300 --> 04:22:51,800
think Britain was wrong on these
things.

4134
04:22:51,800 --> 04:22:55,300
But I'm in my opinion, I'm not
throwing Brigham Young under the

4135
04:22:55,300 --> 04:22:57,900
bus.
I'm, I'm throwing a specific

4136
04:22:57,900 --> 04:23:02,400
teaching that didn't even come
up a whole lot in reality, under

4137
04:23:02,400 --> 04:23:05,700
the bus.
And I personally believe that if

4138
04:23:06,900 --> 04:23:12,600
if we can commune with Brigham
Young, that this is something

4139
04:23:12,600 --> 04:23:18,000
that he would agree with. but
again, These Are Spiritual

4140
04:23:18,000 --> 04:23:21,100
matters, but I just if you're,
if you've been holding on to

4141
04:23:21,100 --> 04:23:26,700
this and it's and it's hard and
it's getting tiring and Any end

4142
04:23:26,700 --> 04:23:31,300
it just doesn't feel right.
I just want you to know that you

4143
04:23:31,300 --> 04:23:33,400
don't have to you don't have to
hold on to this.

4144
04:23:33,400 --> 04:23:38,300
There is an explanation here in
the scriptures had said it's a

4145
04:23:38,308 --> 04:23:42,400
beautiful test ammonia in the
abrahamic Covenant that this is

4146
04:23:42,400 --> 04:23:49,300
not that we don't have to we can
esteem All men are brothers.

4147
04:23:49,300 --> 04:23:56,700
We don't need, we don't need to
Judge other people or try to

4148
04:23:56,700 --> 04:24:00,200
judge a people or have to be
suspicious of a people because

4149
04:24:00,200 --> 04:24:06,000
of who their ancestry might be.
That ultimately the gift of the

4150
04:24:06,000 --> 04:24:09,400
priesthood, it is a privilege
and it's a privilege that should

4151
04:24:09,400 --> 04:24:13,600
come through, through Revelation
is as clearly shown in the

4152
04:24:13,600 --> 04:24:15,300
scriptures.
No matter how you interpret them

4153
04:24:15,300 --> 04:24:19,200
at the priesthood is not for
everybody, but it is for those

4154
04:24:19,200 --> 04:24:25,900
who God has called to it and at
least for me, I'm willing to

4155
04:24:25,900 --> 04:24:28,800
trust in that Revelation and if
if a black man ever comes to me,

4156
04:24:28,800 --> 04:24:33,100
requesting the priesthood or the
blessings of the priesthood, I'm

4157
04:24:33,100 --> 04:24:35,700
going to still pray about it but
I'm going to I'm going to give

4158
04:24:35,700 --> 04:24:39,700
it a shot and if the Lord says
no every time then maybe there

4159
04:24:39,700 --> 04:24:46,500
is a priest to ban but But
otherwise I just want to share

4160
04:24:46,500 --> 04:24:48,200
my testimony.
That this isn't something that

4161
04:24:48,208 --> 04:24:51,900
you necessarily have to hold on
to and if you still if you

4162
04:24:51,900 --> 04:24:53,900
believe the band in your
interview he's that way.

4163
04:24:53,900 --> 04:24:57,500
I still I understand and I still
I still respect you.

4164
04:24:57,500 --> 04:25:02,300
I understand how Where you're
coming, where you're coming

4165
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from, as well.
But I just wanted to be able to

4166
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say that.
I think there's another way.

4167
04:25:07,500 --> 04:25:13,300
So anyways, awesome.
Well the thing I got out of this

4168
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is that there are two guys here
that really love the gospel or

4169
04:25:16,500 --> 04:25:19,400
passionate about it.
And we'll go to the map for it

4170
04:25:19,400 --> 04:25:22,900
every time.
And even though, you know,

4171
04:25:22,900 --> 04:25:27,500
there's differences of opinion,
there's different beliefs, the

4172
04:25:27,500 --> 04:25:30,800
end of the day, we can still
call each other brother, enjoy

4173
04:25:30,800 --> 04:25:36,100
some brisket and and carry on so
gentleman.

4174
04:25:36,100 --> 04:25:41,300
Thank you, been fine, been
interesting and I'm sure sure

4175
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the audience feels the same way.
So thanks.

4176
04:25:45,100 --> 04:25:47,500
They said, thank you.
Bye everybody.

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Listening to the morning
Renegade podcast.