Episode #77: A Plan For Preserving Liberty W/Enoch Moore from Defending Utah

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Happy Independence Day,
everybody.

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Look, I'm not breaking any news
here when I tell you that

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liberty has never been in such a
precarious place as it is today.

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We have bad actors from every
walk of life looking to curtail

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your rights and freedoms and
liberty, from big tech to

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government to publicprivate
partnerships.

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Well, today on this Independence
Day, I wanted to find solutions

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for these problems.
And after having this

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conversation with Enid Moore
from defending Utah, I think he

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has come up with that solution.
This will not require a grand,

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sweeping gesture trying to find
some political Messiah or

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teaming up with a massive
national organization.

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The solution is local,
nonviolent, and has its roots in

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the founding era of this
country.

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Look, I told you a few weeks
back that I felt like the time

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for us of being quiet was over.
And that we're now in a place

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where we have to act.
Stick around for a conversation

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that should not only excite you,
but also give you hope that we

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the people still have the chance
to save liberty for our

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children.
That's next on this Independence

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Day episode of the Mormon
Renegade podcast.

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Look, it's no secret that our
society has become much more

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crude and coarse to become and
raise men and women of virtue

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and characters, a Herculean
task.

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To help with this, I've recently
wrote and published a book.

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Now, back in the 1700s,
Washington had a book called

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Rules of Civility and Decent
Behavior and Company and

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Conversation.
It was a book with 110 rules

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that talked about how to conduct
yourself like a civilized person

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in society, something that
today's society is sorely

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lacking.
What I did is I went back

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through the book and I
reinterpreted his original

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sayings for the 21st century.
So the book is laid out in a way

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in which you see Washington's
original rule.

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Right below that is my
explanation for the 21st

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century, and below that you'll
find two or three examples of

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where to use this in the real
world.

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Now, to go along with this,
there's a workbook that helps

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parents teach these principles
and practices to their kids.

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To find the book, go to
mormonrenegade.com, go to the

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bottom of the page, search out
the blog post, and order your

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copy.
Today, I can bear personal

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testimony from personal
experience.

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That this is an invaluable tool
to help you raise men and women

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of virtue and character.
You're listening to the Mormon

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Renegade podcast.
Enoch, it's good to have you

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back, man.
Thanks for having me.

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Good to be back.
So last time we talked, you

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would kind of talked about
having an idea, something that

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would kind of help people get
through, I shouldn't say get

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through, help people be able to
kind of combat what is happening

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within their government.
And you weren't quite ready to

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release that yet and you you
wanted to to kind of spruce some

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things up, if you will.
And then release it after you

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gave a presentation.
So that's been done.

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So I'm, I'm super excited to
hear hear what the plan is.

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So what's the plan?
So what is the plan loaded

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questions.
So let's give a little context

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and yeah, I'll I'll answer any
of your questions and get into

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details.
So you know we talked a little

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bit about the history of
defending Utah last time I

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believe, but just kind of as a
as a summary.

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You know, we spent a lot of time
laying the spiritual foundation

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for why the Constitution was
important and sacred, right?

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We've created a film
Constitution DV d.com has this

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film Profits in the
Constitution.

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Just laying the LDS case without
a shadow of a doubt that we have

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a duty to defend the
Constitution all the way back

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from Joseph Smith.
To do everyone up until the time

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you know that we had made it
showing that this wasn't even an

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old thing.
It's like even been a consistent

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message.
Generally up to this day and and

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so we've laid this foundation
for the spiritual need, the

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spiritual requirement as Mormons
for us to defend the

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Constitution.
And then we also laid the

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spiritual foundations about why
it's under attack Okay who's

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trying to destroy the
Constitution if we're supposed

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to defend it.
And that's where we put out a

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lot of content over the years on
secret combinations.

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And we have a book, Utah Secret
Combinations.

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And so there's been a lot of
tools and resources we put out

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on the problem, with the problem
that we've always presented.

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We've tried to give some idea of
what can we do about it, and

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that has evolved over the years.
What can we do about it?

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K so that the traditional thing
people.

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Think about when they think, you
know, I'm going to make a

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difference.
Well, the first want to learn

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about their candidates and how
do they vote smarter, right?

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And then they think, well, I can
actually go talk to my

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representatives and tell them I
don't like that law, right.

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Or tell them they shouldn't pass
this law, right.

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And so there's all these layers
that a lot of people go through

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when they're trying to make a
difference in local government

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to promote freedom.
And all these things are fine

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and dandy, but at the end of the
day.

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People feel frustrated that
things are getting worse still

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because people have been trying
to do good things like this for

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a very long time and there have
been some great successes over

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the years.
In the 60s, you know, we there

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was a lot of successes
nationally on anti communist

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movements and so there's been
ups and downs over the years,

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but it still seems like the
world is heading overall to

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this, you know, destruction so.
If we have a duty to do

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something to defend the
Constitution, the question that

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a lot of people have after
they've tried and they've been

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burned out and they're done with
politics, there's nothing we can

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do or some people feel like,
well, we still should do

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something.
We've documented very well, we

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have a duty, but what can you
do, right?

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Someone can tell you their
history of how, you know they

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spent 30 years supporting some
organization and and helping get

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people elected and you know
they're burned out.

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Right.
And so this is something that

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I've spent a lot of time on as
I've seen some successes and

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failures over the years.
Okay, let me stop you right

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there because I have a few
questions here.

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One question.
But we we've seen these

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movements before, right?
We've saw the anti communist

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movement.
And then Reagan comes in and he

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pushes everything way back on
the scale of liberty towards

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liberty.
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Then you have the Tea Party, and
then you have, like, the

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neocons.
They're actually Communists.

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They're Trotskyites.
Right, exactly.

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My question is, is why were
these freedom movements not

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successful?
What was it that they were

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lacking?
Well, I think the first

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movements were definitely
dealing with different

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environments.
The environments gotten harder

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and worse.
The conspiracy against the

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Constitution has grown stronger
and more powerful, and

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definitely as our culture has
changed.

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Culture precedes legislation and
so the enemies of liberty use,

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they go for the culture 1st and
then when the culture is ready

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they pass the things they want
to pass just at a high level

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that that's how they see it.
So in the past culture was more

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on the side of liberty even
though we still had you know

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issues from time to time.
And also I think in the past

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there was not an understanding
depends how far back you go but

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an understanding of.
What is the threat to liberty,

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right.
It's this grand conspiracy,

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which was one of the big gifts
of Robert Welch, founder of the

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John Birch Society, to the world
of really labeling that there's

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this global conspiracy.
He called it the communist

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conspiracy.
This was really the the root of

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the anti communist movement in
the 60s and they evolved that to

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understand, wait, it's not
communism, it's actually this

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greater thing above communism
and.

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And so that idea evolved over
time and I think even since then

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it has evolved more which is
really a lot of what I've been

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looking at the last 10 years and
why now I've got this plan speak

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right.
So what we were lacking in the

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past.
So actually see it's still since

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the environment was different
it's not necessarily we were

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lacking things in the past
because again there were

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successes today what we lack.
I think still without

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understanding the enemy of
liberty, it's easy to get thrown

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off, right?
So the reason people get burned

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out, they're begging their
legislators to do the right

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thing.
They're they're they're asking

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their City Council not, you
know, to pass that horrible tax.

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They're doing all these things.
But the enemies of liberty have

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their tentacles.
Everywhere to where people have

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loyalties elsewhere.
Plus we have the culture that

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doesn't actually understand the
Constitution.

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So you do get decent people in
office from time to time or and

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they've they've never
necessarily studied liberty

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themselves.
Maybe through a Business

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Association they decided to run
because their friend told them

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to run.
Are they, You know there could

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be so many different reasons why
people get involved.

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So we have the culture that
doesn't understand liberty as

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well and then we have a lack of
understanding of the enemies of

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liberty.
Those are kind of two key

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things, however I want to.
So that's like what we've said a

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lot over the years with
defending Utah.

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But I want to kind of take it a
step further and say with all

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the understanding now of how the
seeker combinations function and

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work and where they are and how
they get they implement their

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plans against us, I can say that
even without a full

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understanding.
Or maybe even no understanding

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at all that they exist.
You can still we can do

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something.
The founding fathers gave us a

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pattern.
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going to get involved in
politics, you need to understand

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how secret combinations work.
Otherwise you're going to have

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no clue what you're really
dealing with all the time in the

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political game.
K So they're involved in the

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politics game all the time.
But let's say you don't want to

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get involved in politics, you
just want to.

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Keep the Constitution alive in
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You don't have to fully
understand who the enemies of

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liberties of are or how they
work.

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If you have a full solid
understanding of constitutional

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principles, which I think is
incredibly rare even among those

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that study it, right.
And so people need to realize

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that if you have a full
understanding, then you can

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simply execute.
The principles of the

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Constitution, correctly and
properly, and the secret

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combinations lose their power.
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So there is this need.
You know, people talk a lot

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about the Second Coming and
there's this, there was this

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doctrine called the Rapture
Cult, or I call it the Rapture

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Cult, but it's the Rapture that
was introduced.

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And we've done a couple
presentations over the years on

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what we call the Rapture Cult.
There's a book that came out

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called that.
OK, and it talks about how this

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doctrine was introduced into
Christian society to get people

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to not be involved in defending
liberty.

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Because who cares if the world
is getting evil?

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It doesn't matter.
You know, I want to explore that

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just for a second.
Every time I do a podcast like

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this one where I'm talking about
freedom, issues and liberty,

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inevitably I get 5 or 6 emails
that say what does it matter?

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What does this have to do with
Mormonism?

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I'm going to tell you why it
matters because.

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Without the protections of the
Constitution, especially the

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Bill of Rights, when you start
talking about the 1st Amendment,

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I can't do this right.
I can't have you over in broad

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daylight to have this
conversation because we have the

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1st Amendment, because we have
those protections.

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We can do it that way.
Now I'm certainly willing to

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meet.
Down in a basement somewhere.

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I'm willing to meet in the back
alley to have these

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conversations, but it makes it
real nice when when I can do

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this and get my voice out there
in a very easy way, right?

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So without it, we're we're just
kind of of left floating and

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hoping for the best.
Those guarantees that are made

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to us in the Constitution allow
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right here.
Also, I would like to say that

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oftentimes, especially as
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Horse Prophecy and that sort of
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in, we have this grand picture
that at some point we're just

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going to ride out of the
mountains and save the

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Constitution.
And I firmly believe that at

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some point that day will come.
But first I think what we have

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to do is we have to save it
locally and we got to save it at

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home first.
That's why, one of the reasons

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why we originally made that
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Prophets in the Constitution to
just make it unquestionable what

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the doctrine and the advice and
the teachings have always been

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and that they've addressed all
these the like.

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Ezra Taft Benson was great on
addressing the naysayers right.

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Here's the excuses they give for
why it doesn't matter.

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And then he went and just
addressed every point and and

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that's in our film.
So, so so these so kind of this

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idea of the Rapture cult takes
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And it's so the the the actual
doctrine is that as people

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think, they can just run for the
hills, wait for Jesus, and then

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then they'll join them in Zion,
right?

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They'll all be happy in the end.
It's the doctrine is that Zion

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will not be built until secret
combinations have been

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destroyed.
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We have a duty to build
something because Christ must

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have a people and a place to
come too.

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If he has nowhere to come, he's
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So, so thinking about this, the
Constitution was given to us and

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inspired as a stepping stone to
something greater if we can't

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master the lower laws, so to
speak, meaning working with

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fellow Americans to.
Restore and defend the

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constitution.
Then we are incapable of

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building Zion.
Zion has to exist where a free

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government exists.
So going deep on that would be a

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sort for another day.
But I just wanted to say, in

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general the constitution matters
because we cannot build Zion

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without establishing freedom.
Isaiah chapter one talks about

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your solemn assemblies.
Are the Lord just just annoyed?

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Right with the Israelites for
for all their ceremonies and all

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the religious things that they
think they're doing that make

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them so great when he says but
but in your land, your Princess

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are friends with thieves and the
widow, you know that the

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oppression of the widow, it
matters to him that there's

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corruption in your land and
you're allowing it to go on.

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So if we forego this duty.
And we allow all this sorrow and

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all these bad things to happen
in our land, then whatever we do

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religiously isn't even
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We have to be part of creating a
free government and know knowing

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how that works.
And that's what the Constitution

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was.
It was a gift from our founding

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fathers that they gave to us so
that then the gospel could roll

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forth and so on and so forth.
So now when I talk about the

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plan and I say if you can
execute the Constitution

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correctly then.
The secret combinations.

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Power dies Okay.
This is this is how you and you

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can't literally.
I don't.

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I don't imagine you could
literally destroy them.

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What does that even mean right.
They're just private clubs all

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across the world and they'll
they'll always even have a right

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to associate privately under any
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So what does that mean?
It's destroying their ability

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for what they do to matter in
our local communities and so the

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founding fathers pattern.
It shows us exactly how to do

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that, Okay.
So it takes a little bit to

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understand, even if you have
studied the Constitution your

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whole lives to really see that
power that was given to us and

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Doctrine and Covenants even
talks about, I'm going to read

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from the DNC here and show you
the foundation for this plan,

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some of these principles, Okay.
So a lot of people would say,

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well, yeah, how about how do we
execute the Constitution when

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it's all corrupt people in
office when none of them listen

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to us, right.
Because it feels that way.

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It feels overwhelming.
The first thing I'd say is

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sometimes you don't actually
know what's in their hearts.

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And if we follow the principles
and the Doctrine of Covenants,

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you might find that we have
more, I want to say, more

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friends than you realize or more
willing individuals than we

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realize.
But there's some, there's a

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process to kind of.
Figure that out, which is

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partially my what my handbook
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But let's say the worst case
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They're all corrupt.
OK, totally corrupt.

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There's nothing you can do.
The founding fathers protected

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the rights for us to to create
something called Committees of

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Safety.
OK, now for the listeners, if

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anyone wants to pause and sort
of get the full background

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before we talk about this.
I have two classes online that

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built up to this.
So when we last met, I hadn't

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given those classes yet.
They're now online and people

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can watch this.
So if you go to

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defendingutah.org/solutions part
one and then you can also go to

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Solutions Part 2, these are two
classes in a row that kind of

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have have stepped ahead of what
we've talked about over the

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years from just kind of secret
combinations in the problem.

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And now I started to summarize
in our government how is the

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problem manifesting.
And this has to do a lot with a

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shadow government that the UN is
building and the secret society

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support using regional
government entities.

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And so I break that down.
Solutions Part one and solutions

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Part 2 then shows introduces the
idea of committees of safety and

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the natural laws.
That they're based upon and how

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they'll work, kind of
introducing that idea, Okay.

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And so if you watch those two,
you'll kind of see a much better

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presentation than me just
babbling right now to where I've

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got slides and power, PowerPoint
and pictures, and I've thought

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very carefully how I walk
through so people can follow.

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Are you good if I throw those
links in the?

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Show definitely, Yeah, yeah.
Those, those those are links you

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can chair around.
Absolutely.

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I would like people to see
those.

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And if you feel inspired
watching those, please reach out

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to us, join with us, you know,
we'll get these manuals and help

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us execute this.
And I'll tell you some successes

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that we're already kind of
seeing some exciting things in

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the works.
But let me again before we get

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into all the details.
Let's I want to read in Doctrine

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and Covenants.
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So the scripture I read, I read
a few different scriptures and I

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presented at the Book of Mormon
Expo a couple months ago as well

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as well as I presented
privately.

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And I am also open to give this
as a cottage meeting in people's

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homes so if people want to reach
out and invite their friends.

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And I would love to teach them
about this solution and how it

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works and how we can defend the
Constitution without having to

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even get people in office.
You know, I think that's huge

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because for a lot of years I was
a guy who was kind of looking

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for someone to fix this, right?
And so, like, I remember I was

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really inspired with with the
Tea Party when the Tea Party

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came along, right?
I thought, finally, here we go,

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we're going to be able to get
some stuff done.

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And a lot of them, not all of
them, but a lot of them ended up

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getting coopted.
And it's super frustrating.

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And it feels like every time we
send somebody good to

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Washington, they end up getting,
I don't know, stained, I guess

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by by all the the, the
corruption that goes on there.

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Which is we when we do that.
It's a lazy way.

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To say let's find someone we
think we like and maybe it's not

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lazy when you're trying to get
them elected you feel like you

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worked your tail off but
ultimately it's intellectually

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lazy and but also many of us are
ignorant and we think that's our

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only option.
We got to get good guys elected

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K the John Birch Society did a
great job of showing how that's

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putting the cart before the
horse if you don't change the

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culture K but I'm going to show
you know a little more if you've

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got a if you've got and can
gather a small group of good

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people.
You can absolutely restore the

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rule of the Constitution without
without getting any of your

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buddies elected without having
to go through this process okay

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and and and that's kind of the
difference the change and it

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takes a little bit of thinking
of the high level principles and

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and the manual that I have here
in front of us that I brought

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you a copy of right here.
It's it's a lot of.

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Practical tips that are all
meant to align with the

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principles that I'm going to be
talking about here and okay so

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Doctrine and Covenants 123 right
Joseph Smith has has been

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lamenting, says duty of the
Saints in relation to their

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persecutors as written by Joseph
Smith the prophet while a

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prisoner in Liberty Jail.
So.

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See this as also not just a
Mormon thing, but here's an

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example of Joseph Smith
understanding the problem from

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the Saints perspective.
Right, All this prosecution and

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tyranny and oppression that has
come upon them, but really,

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that's what all of America is
dealing with right now.

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OK, so so these principles apply
neutrally, So he says.

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And again, we would suggest in
verse one we would suggest for

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your consideration.
Gathering up a knowledge of all

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the facts and suffering and
abuses put upon them by the

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people of this state.
So first step he's talking about

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here is how organized are how
how well does.

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Do we know all the things that
have actually even happened to

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us.
Have we documented them?

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Do we just complain about them?
Social media and we move on with

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our lives.
I mean, that's how it is.

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We complain, we forget the
enemies of liberty through the

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media are really good at.
Pushing something and then

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letting go and maybe even making
us happy for a little bit and we

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don't care.
So here he's saying gathering up

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and understanding the problem is
important.

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If we're saying the
Constitution's been violated and

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is and is under threat, can you
point to specific details, not

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just your favorite headline from
your favorite, you know,

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newspaper online, but if you had
to go to court and someone said.

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OK, we'll fix the Constitution.
Show us where it's wrong.

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Could you bring forth something
that explains, oh, it's right

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here, right?
It's when this happened, and

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here's why.
Here's the line in the

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Constitution K How well have we
documented?

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Do we actually understand how
it's getting violated?

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Because I tell you, a lot of
times we don't.

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The headlines are very abstract,
a lot of rhetoric.

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We just feel like something's
wrong, Something is wrong.

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But being able to do this is
kind of a first step.

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Gather up the knowledge of all
the facts and the sufferings and

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abuses.
Okay.

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Then also the property that is
verse 2 property and amount of

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damages with that has been
sustained personal you know

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personal injuries real property
and the names of all the persons

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that have had a hand and the
oppressions and so forth.

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So Joseph Smith is saying in the
in this so he's talking about

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gathering all these things in
great detail.

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So what are we going to do with
these things once we once we've

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gathered them let's say you got
a stack of papers and.

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And you've interviewed all the
neighbors and you have exact

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testimony of what they are, of
things that have happened.

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Okay.
You've created verse four,

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perhaps a committee.
Very interesting word because

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the founding fathers talked
about committees of safety and

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and this is exactly in line with
the same principle, Perhaps the

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committee can be appointed to
find out all these things.

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Okay.
So a research committee take

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statements and affidavits.
Gather up all the libelous

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publications that are afloat.
So affidavits why are what are

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affidavits?
An affidavit is a written

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statement that is admissible in
a court of law.

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So if you go into a court and
you raise your right hand and

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you say, I promise to tell the
truth, you're now under oath

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that that whatever you say is
true.

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And and OS, OK, I said that's, I
won't go on a tangent about OS.

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That was an interesting thought.
But like, people can lie under

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oath.
And and it was interesting.

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People used to take their oath
seriously.

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Like, if someone swore under
God, right, It was understood

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this guy really believes God
will punish him if he lies,

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right?
But either way an affidavit is a

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sworn testimony, not in a
courtroom but outside a

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courtroom.
So the money outside of court,

456
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,720
because let's say you have a
court case and you got to prove

457
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,840
your side and you have 100
witnesses, but they all can't

458
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,680
show up to the court date at the
same time.

459
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,840
You can gather those testimonies
in advance.

460
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,480
And when you gather those
testimonies, how do you know

461
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,080
that they're true?
So today, affidavits to be

462
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,920
acceptable in court, you use a
notary, which is an office of

463
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,120
the state.
Anyone can be applying to come a

464
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:10,600
notary.
By the way, you don't be elected

465
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,480
to be 1.
And so a notary has an official

466
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,200
process.
This is a common law principle,

467
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,760
goes back thousands, at least
1000 years, I'm sure right, into

468
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,560
old England.
And the Greeks had some

469
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,440
actually, yeah, we we did an
article on on notaries recently.

470
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:34,800
And so the notary is an
independent person whose job is

471
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,600
to make sure that when somebody
signs a document, it's really

472
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,040
them.
So that way it can be trusted.

473
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,080
So if I hand you a paper and
say, hey, here's the proof that

474
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,680
I did something, here's the
here's the contract that, you

475
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,000
know, I signed with your friend
that you've taken whatever it

476
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,120
is.
Business uses this all the time

477
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:55,920
in the world in order to trust
documents and say, well, it's

478
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,280
notarized and it's got two
witnesses on it.

479
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,640
That's good enough for me,
right?

480
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:05,360
And so there has to be a way in
the world for people to trust

481
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,160
documents.
For the world even function in a

482
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,400
healthy way, right.
And and that's how this came

483
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,840
about as a common law principle
and why it's still alive today

484
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,280
and it's still the way that
documents are trusted.

485
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,080
So that's what it's talking
about in the scriptures here in

486
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,280
Doctrine Covenants 123.
Former committee take statements

487
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,880
and affidavits, affidavits of
all these problems.

488
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,160
So one job of a committee is
documenting grievances.

489
00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:34,960
K so.
So when you put that's one job,

490
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,080
there's a few other jobs when
you put them all together.

491
00:28:38,730 --> 00:28:41,250
You'll start to see the, the,
the picture come forth.

492
00:28:41,730 --> 00:28:42,930
Okay.
So what do you do now?

493
00:28:42,930 --> 00:28:45,210
You have all these affidavits.
You have these statements.

494
00:28:45,530 --> 00:28:47,130
Are you going to throw them in
the governor's face?

495
00:28:47,130 --> 00:28:49,730
And he's going to say, sorry,
I'm a bad guy, right.

496
00:28:49,730 --> 00:28:50,770
And and then we're done.
Right.

497
00:28:51,010 --> 00:28:52,890
So.
So there's there's more to the

498
00:28:52,890 --> 00:28:54,730
process, but you got to start
there.

499
00:28:55,250 --> 00:28:59,130
The founding fathers did this in
the Declaration of Independence.

500
00:28:59,130 --> 00:29:01,850
So they understood these natural
laws that I'm starting to

501
00:29:01,850 --> 00:29:06,290
explain here and they used them
and my my classes talk about

502
00:29:06,290 --> 00:29:09,330
that.
Okay the solutions part one and

503
00:29:09,330 --> 00:29:12,050
Part 2.
So they use these natural

504
00:29:12,050 --> 00:29:17,290
processes.
So then here in a verse six,

505
00:29:17,410 --> 00:29:21,810
what are we going to do with
these documents and statements

506
00:29:21,810 --> 00:29:26,290
now that we may not only publish
to all the world.

507
00:29:26,290 --> 00:29:28,970
So first thing is publish it to
all the world.

508
00:29:29,850 --> 00:29:32,970
If you might have a lot of
people on your side that would

509
00:29:32,970 --> 00:29:35,260
agree with you.
That they're living their life,

510
00:29:35,260 --> 00:29:36,780
They're clueless, especially
back then.

511
00:29:36,780 --> 00:29:39,140
You know there's no Internet.
But even today, a mountain of

512
00:29:39,140 --> 00:29:42,420
disinformation, people don't
really understand the problems

513
00:29:42,420 --> 00:29:43,980
that are happening.
You just, they just have a gut

514
00:29:43,980 --> 00:29:46,460
feeling things are wrong, but
they could never put their

515
00:29:46,460 --> 00:29:48,460
finger on it.
So by being able to document and

516
00:29:48,460 --> 00:29:51,580
publish it, this is one of the
first laws of nature we have to

517
00:29:51,580 --> 00:29:56,420
satisfy.
So publish to all the world and

518
00:29:57,260 --> 00:29:59,900
present them to the Heads of
Government in all their dark and

519
00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:02,620
hellish shoe.
So we have a duty regardless of

520
00:30:02,620 --> 00:30:07,380
who's in office.
To document these properly, Not

521
00:30:07,380 --> 00:30:10,900
with angry letters.
Not with our opinions of, you

522
00:30:10,900 --> 00:30:15,900
know what Q said, you know.
Not with, not with.

523
00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:18,420
We just know you're all
sacrificing children.

524
00:30:18,940 --> 00:30:20,740
You know you'll you better stop,
right?

525
00:30:21,020 --> 00:30:25,980
Like not with ridiculous things,
with things that are that are

526
00:30:26,620 --> 00:30:31,100
would would be admissible in a
court of law that a judge could

527
00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:34,400
look at and couldn't deny.
Right at that level of

528
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,320
intelligence.
OK, so present them to the Heads

529
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,160
of Government and all their dark
and hellish shoe.

530
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,920
Why?
As the last effort which is

531
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:50,080
enjoined on us, required by us
by our Heavenly Father before he

532
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,480
can fully and or before we can
fully and completely claim that

533
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,920
promise.
OK, so by doing this we are able

534
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,080
to claim a promise.
There is a spiritual.

535
00:31:00,980 --> 00:31:03,540
Blessing.
By for doing this properly okay,

536
00:31:03,980 --> 00:31:08,180
we can fully claim a promise.
What is the promise?

537
00:31:08,860 --> 00:31:13,420
The promise which shall call him
forth from His hiding place.

538
00:31:13,740 --> 00:31:18,580
So if we want God to come out
with miracles on behalf of

539
00:31:18,580 --> 00:31:23,220
liberty to to support us the
same miracles that we saw the

540
00:31:23,220 --> 00:31:27,180
founding Fathers have right the
wind that blew the ships back to

541
00:31:27,180 --> 00:31:29,740
London.
George Washington couldn't be

542
00:31:29,740 --> 00:31:31,940
hurt by a bullet.
You know of all these the

543
00:31:31,940 --> 00:31:34,060
miracles we hear about in the
founding era.

544
00:31:35,580 --> 00:31:38,340
If we want those kinds of
miracles to support liberty, we

545
00:31:38,340 --> 00:31:43,060
have to go through this process
to fully claim and complete, to

546
00:31:43,060 --> 00:31:45,500
fully and completely claim that
promise which will call him

547
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:49,580
forth from his hiding place.
And also OK, so this is how the

548
00:31:49,580 --> 00:31:53,460
Lord comes back, comes with to
help fight our battles for us

549
00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:56,930
then.
Also that the whole nation may

550
00:31:56,930 --> 00:32:00,930
be left without excuse before he
can send forth the power of His

551
00:32:00,930 --> 00:32:06,010
mighty arm.
So it is important that the that

552
00:32:06,010 --> 00:32:10,330
the nation at the at the time,
but even now the tyrants that

553
00:32:10,330 --> 00:32:14,290
are taking our liberty.
It is so important to God

554
00:32:14,290 --> 00:32:19,730
himself and to satisfy the laws
of nature that people are left

555
00:32:19,730 --> 00:32:23,490
without excuse.
Ignorance is a big excuse.

556
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,520
Not, you know, not knowing and
understanding.

557
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,880
You know, I used to think, you
know, what's the point of

558
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,360
convincing A tyrant that they're
a tyrant?

559
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,280
OK, maybe we'll convince him and
he'll do the right thing.

560
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,000
And we definitely found that
over over the years, enough

561
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,680
pressure on a tyrant will make
him do the right thing because

562
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:51,240
people are watching and there
isn't a natural law with that.

563
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:59,400
OK, but.
Consider also Christ gave the

564
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,320
parable of the unjust judge K
The judge didn't care about this

565
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:09,080
old lady's problems at all, but
because she weary me, I will

566
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:14,600
avenge her K So there's a
principle in that, even with

567
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:20,360
tyrants, that the way we deal
with our government.

568
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,760
You know that there are, there
are principles here that we have

569
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,640
to follow.
So presenting them to the Heads

570
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:31,600
of Government and that's how we
call forth all the prayers we

571
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:32,920
have.
We're praying for the nation.

572
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,720
We're praying for miracles heal
the nation.

573
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,560
We haven't followed this
pattern.

574
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,960
You're 100% correct.
And and let me say this too,

575
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,600
right, because I think this kind
of goes along with it is we

576
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,000
haven't followed the pattern
that has been given us, but yet

577
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,720
there is a tremendous amount of
people who are like well, when

578
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:54,130
do we get to take up arms?
And my, my response to that is

579
00:33:54,250 --> 00:33:57,930
not yet, not ever.
Hopefully not ever.

580
00:33:58,170 --> 00:34:01,930
Because as soon as we do, we
know we're done, right?

581
00:34:01,930 --> 00:34:03,610
The Republic as we know it is
done.

582
00:34:03,970 --> 00:34:07,330
They will come down from on top
and they will, they they will

583
00:34:07,330 --> 00:34:10,969
absolutely crush us.
So no, we saw what they did just

584
00:34:10,969 --> 00:34:15,010
with January 6th, right.
And that, you know, look at how

585
00:34:15,010 --> 00:34:18,370
hard they came down on that.
Which was all fraudulent anyway,

586
00:34:18,690 --> 00:34:22,260
and I definitely believe.
It is totally unnecessary.

587
00:34:22,980 --> 00:34:25,900
And if we follow these steps,
I've been more and more

588
00:34:25,900 --> 00:34:29,540
convinced to that is is horrible
as our situation seems.

589
00:34:29,940 --> 00:34:31,739
It's not about elections, like I
was saying.

590
00:34:32,380 --> 00:34:36,300
It's about the ability to
organize and these committees of

591
00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:39,739
safety and then start to learn
the natural principles of what

592
00:34:39,739 --> 00:34:44,420
you do as you organize.
In my manual I have I have a

593
00:34:44,580 --> 00:34:47,260
listing the legal basis of a
committee of safety.

594
00:34:47,659 --> 00:34:50,020
OK, for inherent rights that are
protected by the Founding

595
00:34:50,020 --> 00:34:52,500
Fathers.
Remember, the founding Fathers

596
00:34:52,620 --> 00:34:55,780
had the same problem.
They had no representation.

597
00:34:56,500 --> 00:34:58,700
They couldn't get a guy elected,
so to speak.

598
00:35:00,380 --> 00:35:02,220
They've solved this problem
already.

599
00:35:03,020 --> 00:35:05,660
They first they solved this
problem, and then they

600
00:35:05,660 --> 00:35:09,460
constituted a new government in
1787 through the Constitution.

601
00:35:10,020 --> 00:35:13,660
We only have to do half of that.
We don't have to constitute a

602
00:35:13,660 --> 00:35:15,580
new government.
We only have to solve the

603
00:35:15,580 --> 00:35:17,460
problem of why we're not being
represented.

604
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,680
Right.
Effectively, no, That makes

605
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,440
sense.
And once we get there, we don't

606
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,160
have to change the Constitution.
We don't have to, you know hold

607
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,120
a new convention for a new
national constitution.

608
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:35,040
Now, I I will agree that at the
state levels, we, we have good

609
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,160
constitutions across the country
at the states, but then there's

610
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,480
a lot of nonsense here and there
sprinkled in to the various

611
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,300
state constitutions and.
But before we can complain about

612
00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:49,100
the bad things in the state
constitutions, we have to

613
00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:52,180
enforce the good things.
We we have to show that we even

614
00:35:52,180 --> 00:35:54,540
understand what's good in there.
Because if you think you're

615
00:35:54,540 --> 00:35:58,220
going to change something and
create something new, but you

616
00:35:58,220 --> 00:36:01,180
don't even know what was good
and what we had, you're not

617
00:36:01,180 --> 00:36:02,900
going to create something
better, OK.

618
00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:06,960
So we have to enforce what we
have. 1st and then you can talk

619
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,440
about, gosh, that one part of
the Constitution is kind of

620
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,040
messed up or it conflicts with
our rights over here.

621
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,600
In fact, I think a lot of the
bad things in our state

622
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,400
constitution, that's exactly how
you can identify them.

623
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,520
They will conflict with a
different part of the same

624
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:26,480
Constitution that is good.
And so when you see that, you'll

625
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:31,120
find that, you know, natural
laws can can trump, but it's

626
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,560
kind of a different
conversation.

627
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,500
So when you organize.
The the legal basis of a

628
00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:41,300
Committee of Safety, you know,
what right do we have to form

629
00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:43,740
and call ourselves a committee
and that, that we're

630
00:36:43,740 --> 00:36:47,380
representing ourselves.
And let me actually clarify too.

631
00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:50,940
Committees of Safety were
understood in the founding era

632
00:36:50,940 --> 00:36:54,860
and for decades after the
founding era because they were

633
00:36:54,860 --> 00:36:59,740
used to institute new government
in the days of the colonists.

634
00:36:59,740 --> 00:37:02,980
OKA Committee of Safety.
In fact, let me read this.

635
00:37:04,140 --> 00:37:10,060
This is a great statement from
the National Liberty Alliance in

636
00:37:10,060 --> 00:37:11,940
the manual.
I have a history of committees

637
00:37:11,940 --> 00:37:22,980
Section okay Committees of
Safety existed prior to 1692 and

638
00:37:23,620 --> 00:37:26,700
and we're and right now I'm
quoting a manual from the

639
00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:29,580
National Liberty Alliance here.
Committees of Safety existed

640
00:37:29,580 --> 00:37:32,740
prior to 1692 and were called by
various names.

641
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,360
So it's also a principle, even
if they weren't always called

642
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,800
that the committee which was
created in that year in New York

643
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,200
is significant in that it was
created by the militia.

644
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,760
The colonists were dissatisfied
with the government of the

645
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,600
Crown, headed by British
Governor Sir Edmund Andros.

646
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:54,760
But recognizing that the militia
authority must always be

647
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,720
subordinate to civil authority,
okay, militias can't just run

648
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:01,320
off and do what they want.
They they have, they're they're

649
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,040
governed by the existing
government.

650
00:38:03,790 --> 00:38:08,270
So, recognizing that and having
serious concern over the abuse

651
00:38:08,270 --> 00:38:11,670
of authority imposed by the
British Governor, the militia of

652
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:16,190
New York created their own civil
authority in the form of a

653
00:38:16,190 --> 00:38:18,990
Committee of Safety.
Representation on the committee

654
00:38:18,990 --> 00:38:22,150
was based upon 2 delegates being
elected by the citizenry who had

655
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:24,870
public elections to represent
each community.

656
00:38:25,710 --> 00:38:28,230
The delegates gathered and
exercised their authority by

657
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:30,850
eventually.
Imprisoning the governor for a

658
00:38:30,850 --> 00:38:33,770
period of a year on and off,
Many communities, colonies, and

659
00:38:33,770 --> 00:38:37,250
provinces exercise their right
of selfgovernment by

660
00:38:37,250 --> 00:38:39,850
establishing committees as the
need arose.

661
00:38:40,410 --> 00:38:44,010
So this is 1692.
This is littered throughout

662
00:38:44,010 --> 00:38:47,690
American history and one of the
strongest things that has been

663
00:38:47,690 --> 00:38:50,690
forgotten.
And there's a there's a story in

664
00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:54,370
the Journal of Discourses about
Joseph Smith being saved by a

665
00:38:54,370 --> 00:38:56,970
committee of safety from an
overzealous sheriff.

666
00:38:57,810 --> 00:38:59,450
OK.
So I got a quick question then.

667
00:38:59,770 --> 00:39:03,610
Were these committees like
formed historically to deal with

668
00:39:03,610 --> 00:39:07,210
certain issues and they'd be
called and then they would

669
00:39:07,210 --> 00:39:10,250
disband?
Or was this kind of a, I don't

670
00:39:10,250 --> 00:39:14,010
know, for lack of a better term,
a neighborhood watch for

671
00:39:14,010 --> 00:39:16,890
constitutional issues?
What were the mechanisms that

672
00:39:16,890 --> 00:39:21,210
set these up?
So as I just read here right

673
00:39:21,210 --> 00:39:23,130
they they had a problem.
So that was triggered by a

674
00:39:23,130 --> 00:39:27,680
specific problem.
And and I think overall it they

675
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,520
were facing these constant
problems.

676
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,840
So it was something that caught
on and definitely over time it

677
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,880
was understood that it needed to
be a standing neighborhood watch

678
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,640
for the Constitution, so to
speak.

679
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,120
Okay, we talk all the time in
constitutional lingo that the

680
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,160
people are the source of the
power, right.

681
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,320
But what's the enforcement arm
for that power?

682
00:39:51,540 --> 00:39:55,700
K now I talk I talk about that
in the solutions part one class.

683
00:39:55,980 --> 00:40:00,660
I talk about well it's it's the
people but it's also the

684
00:40:00,660 --> 00:40:04,060
government itself checks and
balances on each other but what

685
00:40:04,060 --> 00:40:07,060
happens when all the checks and
balances are broken the people

686
00:40:07,060 --> 00:40:10,700
have the authority to institute
a civil authority that

687
00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:14,500
represents them if they're not
getting representation.

688
00:40:15,220 --> 00:40:18,860
K now now the there a lot of
questions can arise from that

689
00:40:18,860 --> 00:40:20,700
and what that means you know
and.

690
00:40:21,020 --> 00:40:25,180
And can every Joe in his
basement just decide he's, you

691
00:40:25,180 --> 00:40:29,540
know has some authority and so
there are natural laws you have

692
00:40:29,540 --> 00:40:35,060
to follow in order for that to
be acknowledged.

693
00:40:35,420 --> 00:40:38,980
But but think small K so
mentally start very small to

694
00:40:38,980 --> 00:40:41,820
understand the committee and
then I'll get into these foreign

695
00:40:41,820 --> 00:40:45,820
rights on the legal basis of a
committee K thinking very small

696
00:40:45,940 --> 00:40:50,060
you as an individual have the
right to.

697
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:54,310
Demand your rights.
Okay someone comes to your door

698
00:40:54,310 --> 00:40:56,310
and knocks on it and says we
want to search your home.

699
00:40:56,790 --> 00:41:00,390
You individually can say you
can't search my home without a

700
00:41:00,390 --> 00:41:01,750
warrant.
I know my rights.

701
00:41:02,750 --> 00:41:06,550
No one would question today that
that you have the right that's

702
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:10,110
pretty common even today that
people understand that and and

703
00:41:10,110 --> 00:41:13,350
it would be acknowledged right.
The officers say okay and

704
00:41:13,630 --> 00:41:15,390
because they do that all the
time where they just they're

705
00:41:15,390 --> 00:41:18,230
hoping to just gain consent.
They're curious they're

706
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:21,460
investigating something.
And if you'll let them that

707
00:41:21,460 --> 00:41:23,100
they'll search all day and
night.

708
00:41:23,140 --> 00:41:25,620
You know they'll go neighborhood
if neighbor, they'll go house to

709
00:41:25,620 --> 00:41:27,940
house in a neighborhood if they
think they're going to find

710
00:41:27,940 --> 00:41:30,340
something.
But anyone that says, well, if

711
00:41:30,340 --> 00:41:33,060
you had a warrant, sorry, can't
help you today and you can

712
00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:37,220
politely assert your rights you
had the legal authority to

713
00:41:37,220 --> 00:41:39,340
enforce the constitution in that
moment.

714
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:44,660
Does that make sense as an
individual K So as a as a father

715
00:41:45,060 --> 00:41:47,580
you also let's think let's grow
it a little bit bigger.

716
00:41:48,090 --> 00:41:51,290
You have the right to enforce
the the rights for your whole

717
00:41:51,290 --> 00:41:53,890
family, right?
Head of household, you will say,

718
00:41:53,890 --> 00:41:56,610
you know what?
Our family doesn't go along with

719
00:41:56,610 --> 00:42:00,930
such and such because it
violates the law and the

720
00:42:00,930 --> 00:42:01,810
Constitution.
Right?

721
00:42:01,970 --> 00:42:03,610
Right.
And so forth.

722
00:42:03,610 --> 00:42:06,970
OK, so if you understand you
have that power as one

723
00:42:06,970 --> 00:42:10,210
household, your neighbor can
also understand he has that

724
00:42:10,210 --> 00:42:12,850
power as an individual
household, right?

725
00:42:13,330 --> 00:42:16,350
Same with the next neighbor.
So if you have a whole

726
00:42:16,350 --> 00:42:21,630
neighborhood, you got 20 houses
on your street, you 20 can get

727
00:42:21,630 --> 00:42:28,590
together and say, you know, as
individual household households.

728
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:32,110
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This is on your street.

745
00:43:21,230 --> 00:43:27,310
You 20 can get together and say,
you know, as individual

746
00:43:27,310 --> 00:43:32,870
household households, we we
don't want to go along with any

747
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:35,190
of this lockdown nonsense, for
example, right?

748
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:40,440
Or whatever It is K and so.
You could all 20 say we're not

749
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,640
going to do it together or you
could all say, you know what,

750
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,280
Dave, you've got the most free
time.

751
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,880
We elect you to sort of
represent our neighborhood and

752
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,720
you go tell the city, we're not,
we're not doing this.

753
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,920
You have all the legal authority
to represent this neighborhood,

754
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,760
to go to the city and declare
your rights K but and now you're

755
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,880
starting to grow, strengthen
numbers.

756
00:44:05,740 --> 00:44:08,580
Does that make sense?
Now you do not have the

757
00:44:08,580 --> 00:44:13,220
authority to make up any rule
you want, but what you do have

758
00:44:13,220 --> 00:44:16,620
is all the authority in the
Constitution weak?

759
00:44:16,900 --> 00:44:20,500
That is already the law.
The Constitution is the voice of

760
00:44:20,500 --> 00:44:22,100
the people.
I have a whole section on that

761
00:44:22,100 --> 00:44:22,980
in the manual.
Okay.

762
00:44:22,980 --> 00:44:26,620
We need to understand that.
What is the voice of the people

763
00:44:26,620 --> 00:44:29,220
when we say the people control
our government?

764
00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:34,380
If it's just the loudest voice
how who can make the most phone

765
00:44:34,380 --> 00:44:37,220
calls to your legislator, then
we're democracy.

766
00:44:37,700 --> 00:44:39,940
That's the mob.
And in fact, you'll hear this in

767
00:44:39,940 --> 00:44:44,020
actual democracies, in Europe,
you know the most people who say

768
00:44:44,020 --> 00:44:45,620
something that that's kind of
how they see it.

769
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:48,860
But yet we as a Republic say the
voice of the people rules.

770
00:44:48,860 --> 00:44:51,220
So how are we different from a
democracy then?

771
00:44:51,780 --> 00:44:55,540
Because the voice of the people
got together a long time ago.

772
00:44:56,430 --> 00:44:59,750
And when they and so that was
somewhat democratic, they they

773
00:44:59,750 --> 00:45:03,990
elected representatives to a
constitutional convention.

774
00:45:04,990 --> 00:45:08,830
That was the people at the
convention who then wrote down

775
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:11,270
what the voice of the people is
in that document.

776
00:45:12,070 --> 00:45:14,710
So the Constitution is the voice
of the people.

777
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:19,430
Every individual has the
authority to enforce that

778
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:25,010
document on on the government.
And and our representatives in

779
00:45:25,010 --> 00:45:28,690
office have the authority to
enforce that on on a different

780
00:45:29,850 --> 00:45:31,330
government office that's
breaking it.

781
00:45:31,330 --> 00:45:34,850
That's where checks and balances
come in K so.

782
00:45:35,130 --> 00:45:39,170
So a committee of safety is
simply the right of the people

783
00:45:39,170 --> 00:45:43,130
to assemble that we have.
That's the first principle, your

784
00:45:43,130 --> 00:45:46,850
right to petition for redress so
you can assemble as a community

785
00:45:47,010 --> 00:45:49,730
and you can tell the government
they're causing problems and you

786
00:45:49,730 --> 00:45:52,490
can document how they're causing
these problems and so forth.

787
00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:56,060
K, when you petition for
redress, you know one of the

788
00:45:56,060 --> 00:45:59,900
principles we read here in DNC
Don't just publish them to one

789
00:45:59,900 --> 00:46:03,140
officer, publish them to the
whole neighborhood.

790
00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:06,300
Get the whole neighborhood on
board, educating the community

791
00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:08,060
on what their rights are.
Hey, you don't have to listen to

792
00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:10,940
these lockdowns.
You have the right to be open if

793
00:46:10,940 --> 00:46:16,540
you want, you know, K And so
there's also the right of

794
00:46:16,540 --> 00:46:19,660
contract in the Constitution,
which is your ability to

795
00:46:19,660 --> 00:46:22,460
associate.
So if you are as a community get

796
00:46:22,460 --> 00:46:25,700
together and you want to be a
little more formal, you already

797
00:46:25,700 --> 00:46:28,100
have the right to do this
casually as we've just kind of

798
00:46:28,100 --> 00:46:29,020
walked through.
Right.

799
00:46:29,020 --> 00:46:30,740
So you want to be a little more
formal.

800
00:46:30,980 --> 00:46:34,540
You can associate even
contractually, you can create a

801
00:46:34,540 --> 00:46:36,700
charter.
You can say we are a committee

802
00:46:36,820 --> 00:46:40,700
of we are, we are the 5th Oram S
committee.

803
00:46:40,980 --> 00:46:45,580
You know we're we're the Sandy
UT committee from 7000.

804
00:46:45,580 --> 00:46:47,180
E right, Whatever you want to
call it.

805
00:46:47,380 --> 00:46:49,220
You're kind of claiming a
jurisdiction.

806
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,040
And you're saying this is who we
represent.

807
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:56,800
And if you've, you know,
gathered your neighbors together

808
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,440
and you kind of picked who's
going to represent you, then

809
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,800
great, right.
Then you followed all these

810
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,200
natural law, these natural law
steps.

811
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,640
So you can see that there's
there is authority, there is a

812
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:10,280
there is an honest authority to
represent the people.

813
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,920
Again, you don't write your own
laws, but you enforce the

814
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,040
existing law and being that the
government is breaking these

815
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,530
laws all the time.
There's a lot to do and there's

816
00:47:21,530 --> 00:47:23,050
a there's a lot you can write
about.

817
00:47:23,050 --> 00:47:26,530
There's a lot you know and you
know you can start small and and

818
00:47:26,530 --> 00:47:28,690
and there's that's why I say
there's a lot of practical steps

819
00:47:28,690 --> 00:47:32,170
in here on how to go about this
as you publish to your

820
00:47:32,170 --> 00:47:34,130
neighbors.
This is kind of also the

821
00:47:34,130 --> 00:47:38,130
difference between a mob of
people demanding something

822
00:47:38,370 --> 00:47:40,930
versus gaining some authority
with your neighbors.

823
00:47:41,770 --> 00:47:44,130
When you go to your neighbors,
if you were complaining about

824
00:47:44,130 --> 00:47:47,390
how they hurt Trump.
You're just seen as a political

825
00:47:47,390 --> 00:47:49,950
activist, right?
Or Black Lives Matters.

826
00:47:50,270 --> 00:47:54,030
They go to the neighborhood and
and they said, you know, some

827
00:47:54,030 --> 00:47:58,670
left wing rhetoric, so to speak,
you're you're not exercising

828
00:47:58,670 --> 00:48:00,110
authority to represent all the
people.

829
00:48:00,470 --> 00:48:04,550
But when you stick to the
Constitution, fundamental rights

830
00:48:04,550 --> 00:48:07,950
we all have, you know, the same
rights to protect our children

831
00:48:07,950 --> 00:48:10,670
and so forth, you are
representing all the people.

832
00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:13,230
So it's very important that
these organizations stick

833
00:48:13,230 --> 00:48:15,270
exactly to constitutional
issues.

834
00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:19,140
Because when you do that, you
completely sidestep the whole

835
00:48:19,140 --> 00:48:21,740
left right game, that this is
the communist divide and

836
00:48:21,740 --> 00:48:23,940
conquer.
Okay, I think I'm starting to

837
00:48:23,940 --> 00:48:27,500
see here.
So politics, they're they're

838
00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:29,220
fluid.
They always change.

839
00:48:29,220 --> 00:48:31,700
They're never static and they're
never clear.

840
00:48:32,180 --> 00:48:35,380
So if if we ground ourselves in
principle.

841
00:48:36,020 --> 00:48:40,580
We know that that that's going
to always be our polar star, so

842
00:48:40,580 --> 00:48:42,980
to speak.
So what you're saying is, is by

843
00:48:42,980 --> 00:48:45,500
grounding ourselves in the
Constitution, we're grounding

844
00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:49,420
ourselves in principle and those
principles don't ever change.

845
00:48:49,780 --> 00:48:51,300
Yeah.
So you're not political at all.

846
00:48:51,660 --> 00:48:56,460
So the the last principle that
is in the national constitution,

847
00:48:56,460 --> 00:48:58,740
the state constitution is the
right.

848
00:48:58,740 --> 00:49:01,180
It's written there.
It's the law that that the

849
00:49:01,180 --> 00:49:05,260
people have the right to alter
or reform their government now.

850
00:49:06,050 --> 00:49:10,290
There is no details on how they
do that.

851
00:49:11,050 --> 00:49:15,890
Okay, but it is the people's
right now I wouldn't recommend

852
00:49:17,810 --> 00:49:20,050
again, we're not doing what the
founding fathers did.

853
00:49:20,570 --> 00:49:23,930
We're not abolishing and
creating something new.

854
00:49:23,930 --> 00:49:29,090
We have an amazing roadmap that
we can follow and so we we have

855
00:49:29,090 --> 00:49:32,810
a duty to really read and
understand every line.

856
00:49:33,220 --> 00:49:35,140
Of our Constitution and why it's
there?

857
00:49:35,260 --> 00:49:38,020
Because each one was debated
well, and that is the voice of

858
00:49:38,020 --> 00:49:39,660
the people.
You cannot uphold it if you

859
00:49:39,660 --> 00:49:41,380
don't understand every single
line.

860
00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:45,260
And I read through it countless
times and I still learn new

861
00:49:45,260 --> 00:49:46,940
things.
And a lot of the lot of the new

862
00:49:46,940 --> 00:49:48,980
things I learned come from
historical context.

863
00:49:48,980 --> 00:49:52,460
You know, we have, we have a
weekly class with Dr. Scott

864
00:49:52,460 --> 00:49:56,780
Bradley who has more historical
context on the Constitution than

865
00:49:56,860 --> 00:50:00,670
anyone I've ever met.
And I I I learned things from

866
00:50:00,670 --> 00:50:01,910
him.
I just learned the other week

867
00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:04,190
the difference between oath or
affirmation and why that

868
00:50:04,190 --> 00:50:05,710
mattered to a lot of people.
Right.

869
00:50:05,790 --> 00:50:07,150
I just never thought about it
before.

870
00:50:07,950 --> 00:50:11,030
But it says, you know, that this
constitution shall be supported

871
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:12,750
by oath or affirmation.
Why?

872
00:50:13,830 --> 00:50:15,790
OK, so I want.
In fact that's a really good

873
00:50:16,070 --> 00:50:16,750
segue.
I can.

874
00:50:16,750 --> 00:50:19,910
I can explain a step here on
some powers that the committees

875
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:23,670
have.
So imagine in government, why is

876
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:27,310
it that checks and balances
exist.

877
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:32,800
The founding fathers talked
about how government, this free

878
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,720
government, will maintain and
sell itself because ambition

879
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:40,680
will check ambition.
So when the executive department

880
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,960
doesn't like what the
legislative department does,

881
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,400
they are legally bound.
They can appeal to the higher

882
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:54,520
law, the Constitution, and say
I'm not going to sign that, you

883
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,200
know law, or I'm going to ignore
your executive order.

884
00:50:57,610 --> 00:50:59,530
Right.
Or the county could tell the

885
00:50:59,530 --> 00:51:03,090
state we're not going to go
along with these lockdowns

886
00:51:03,090 --> 00:51:05,930
because appeal to this
constitution.

887
00:51:06,090 --> 00:51:08,490
The emergency powers of the
constitution talk about how you

888
00:51:08,490 --> 00:51:10,210
know things that they they can't
do.

889
00:51:10,650 --> 00:51:14,970
And so by by each government
officer being sworn by oath or

890
00:51:14,970 --> 00:51:18,530
affirmation to support that
document that is the legal

891
00:51:18,530 --> 00:51:21,930
fundamental basis for why
government officials can ignore

892
00:51:21,930 --> 00:51:26,210
other government officials.
And so as a committee when you.

893
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,600
When you approach your local
representatives, your sheriff,

894
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,960
your City Councilman, and you've
established a relationship with

895
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,800
them, and they know that you're
intelligent and you're bringing

896
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,240
them things that are thoughtful
and wise, you're coming to them

897
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:45,800
not as hey you oathbreaker, how
dare you be so tyrannical?

898
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,240
You're not doing that, which is
what we're always tempted to do.

899
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,320
And sometimes we feel like they
deserve it, and some of them

900
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,040
definitely do, but what you're
doing is.

901
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:57,350
Listen to the wisdom of the
founders appeal to their

902
00:51:57,350 --> 00:51:59,870
ambition.
Okay.

903
00:51:59,870 --> 00:52:06,670
Ambition checks ambition.
So you say, Hey sheriff, we want

904
00:52:06,670 --> 00:52:11,670
we're here to help you maintain
your authority because that is

905
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:13,830
what the oath to the
Constitution is all about.

906
00:52:15,310 --> 00:52:18,590
Okay, we're here to help you.
And so here are constitutional

907
00:52:18,590 --> 00:52:22,710
grievances that are well
documented from the people and.

908
00:52:23,710 --> 00:52:28,750
You can show him that you've got
30 organizations that have seen

909
00:52:28,750 --> 00:52:32,190
this and that have signed, you
know, on it.

910
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:34,590
You can show that you've got,
you know, thousands of

911
00:52:34,590 --> 00:52:36,670
supporters.
You've got, you know, the head

912
00:52:36,670 --> 00:52:39,870
of the Health Freedom Club,
you've got the head of, you

913
00:52:39,870 --> 00:52:42,470
know, the soccer club, the PTA,
whatever it is, right.

914
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:45,030
There's a lot of, you know,
tools and tips that that I've

915
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:46,710
talked about.
But when you show him, the

916
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:49,350
people have come to him with a
grievance and what they're

917
00:52:49,350 --> 00:52:53,200
saying is.
The state is doing these things

918
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:54,760
to us.
The federal government's doing

919
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,240
this to us.
Sheriff, we need you to do this.

920
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,320
Here is the legal affidavit,
sworn testimony admissible in

921
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,720
court for what is happening to
us as a people.

922
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,920
You now give it to the Heads of
Government as the scriptures

923
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:12,720
talk about.
Appeal to their ambition that

924
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:18,400
all these people are behind them
when they execute well on their

925
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,980
oath of office to to.
To then take the next step.

926
00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:26,860
You know, I think you bring up
an interesting point here too,

927
00:53:27,460 --> 00:53:33,580
because so often we are quick to
just jump on the guys who aren't

928
00:53:34,420 --> 00:53:38,940
protecting our constitutional
rights and as we should, but

929
00:53:38,940 --> 00:53:43,660
we're kind of slow to get behind
the guys who are actually doing

930
00:53:43,660 --> 00:53:46,620
the job that that we hired them
to do.

931
00:53:46,990 --> 00:53:50,910
When we elected them right.
So I like how we're we're kind

932
00:53:50,910 --> 00:53:57,430
of empowering our our local
elected officials by by saying

933
00:53:57,430 --> 00:54:00,950
here, let us help you in this
process and and I think that

934
00:54:00,950 --> 00:54:04,950
only serves to do 2 things.
One, it gives us an opportunity

935
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:07,830
to as the founder said Sue for
address.

936
00:54:08,310 --> 00:54:12,710
And then on the other side, it
allows us to kind of foster a

937
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:16,390
relationship with our local
elected leaders, such as a

938
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:19,670
sheriff by saying, you know
what, here's all this and we

939
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:21,950
want you to know we have your
back as well.

940
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:24,910
Now imagine the worst case
scenario, because everyone's

941
00:54:24,910 --> 00:54:26,630
always going to ask what if he
doesn't listen?

942
00:54:26,670 --> 00:54:28,590
This is always going to be the
question, right?

943
00:54:28,990 --> 00:54:34,990
And so this process is designed
to where to deal with that, so.

944
00:54:36,620 --> 00:54:39,020
I think in a lot of cases when
you build that kind of

945
00:54:39,020 --> 00:54:43,780
relationship, we're going to
start being surprised more often

946
00:54:43,780 --> 00:54:46,900
than we expect.
And right now, I expect 0 from

947
00:54:46,900 --> 00:54:48,940
past experience generally,
right.

948
00:54:49,780 --> 00:54:55,540
So but I I, I think it doesn't
take a lot to to to see some

949
00:54:55,540 --> 00:55:02,420
light.
So if part of this right now is

950
00:55:02,540 --> 00:55:05,220
this is a new concept where
we're training our officials.

951
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,120
That the people know how to
organize and self govern.

952
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,120
K So there's there's like
multiple phases of this.

953
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,320
We're training our elected
officials that we understand the

954
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,000
Constitution.
We're wise about it.

955
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,680
We can document and be helpful
because you can go to a sheriff

956
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,320
with a complaint, but if you
hand him on a silver platter

957
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,600
everything he needs, you know
you're taking away a lot of the

958
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,800
busy work.
You know he's who knows where

959
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,040
his mind is and so forth and
you're you're assisting him.

960
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,320
And you're also starting to
leave him without excuse.

961
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:37,320
Okay.
Do you see that?

962
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,720
Okay.
So we're starting to fulfill

963
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,560
nature's requirements for this
and the Lord's requirements for

964
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:44,840
this.
So.

965
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,760
So we want you want to
regularly, you know, start doing

966
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,480
these kinds of things.
And you keep a record as a

967
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:58,840
committee of how often they side
with the people and how often

968
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:03,150
they don't.
If that is done correctly, now

969
00:56:03,150 --> 00:56:08,030
you're going to start to really
have something to document to

970
00:56:08,030 --> 00:56:12,270
the public K to your community K
And it's not just an angry

971
00:56:12,270 --> 00:56:15,070
letter.
Did you know our mayor did this

972
00:56:15,070 --> 00:56:17,110
horrible thing?
People like it's just another

973
00:56:17,110 --> 00:56:20,310
angry Republican or another
angry Democrat, right?

974
00:56:20,310 --> 00:56:22,950
That's that's all they see
nowadays when you try to warn

975
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:26,150
your neighbor about things.
K partisan issues and emotion.

976
00:56:26,550 --> 00:56:33,930
Instead it's like, did you know?
That last year, you know, 115

977
00:56:33,930 --> 00:56:38,570
businesses got licensed by this
one, you know got this fine,

978
00:56:38,890 --> 00:56:42,610
which is was a violation of the
state constitution and 30

979
00:56:42,610 --> 00:56:45,730
businesses had to shut down.
And we brought this grievance to

980
00:56:45,730 --> 00:56:50,490
the city on five different
occasions and and they agreed we

981
00:56:50,490 --> 00:56:52,170
were right and they didn't do
anything about it right.

982
00:56:52,170 --> 00:56:57,970
So you've got a much different
case against the things that are

983
00:56:57,970 --> 00:56:59,800
happening.
And you're really starting to

984
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:03,720
train your local powers that
that the people pay attention

985
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,720
and they pay attention well and
intelligently and so forth.

986
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,160
And now you're satisfying the
laws of nature.

987
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,960
Now the the according to the
Doctrine and Covenants, the Lord

988
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:17,840
can be more pleased and and
we're satisfying that right.

989
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,200
Okay.
So now I have another question

990
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,680
for you.
There are attorneys that maybe

991
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:28,300
aren't on the side of liberty.
And they have a way of just

992
00:57:28,300 --> 00:57:32,380
twisting things or creating
loopholes that you know, will

993
00:57:32,380 --> 00:57:35,540
say, well, gosh, I I think the,
the the constitution should be

994
00:57:35,540 --> 00:57:39,660
interpreted this way.
And so I like the idea of of

995
00:57:39,660 --> 00:57:43,340
finally as conservatives getting
to the point to where we're

996
00:57:43,340 --> 00:57:46,820
organizing right.
I'm a conservative, but I I have

997
00:57:46,820 --> 00:57:52,340
to admit this conservatives suck
when it comes to being able to.

998
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,320
To community organize.
We're just busy with our jobs.

999
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,840
We don't have millionaire
daddies to bail us out, but

1000
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,240
eventually these things are
going to get kicked up a notch

1001
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:02,880
and they're going to get kicked
into the courts.

1002
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:07,640
What do we do when that happens?
Because we may not have the same

1003
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,960
kind of high-powered attorneys
that other folks do.

1004
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,840
Yeah, we don't win in the
courts.

1005
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,720
And the goal here is not to go
to the court.

1006
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,680
Definitely not.
You combine all of this with.

1007
00:58:20,460 --> 00:58:23,500
The CC if you're publishing this
to the community and you're

1008
00:58:23,500 --> 00:58:26,060
actually keeping a record,
you've got all these businesses

1009
00:58:26,060 --> 00:58:29,060
that have been hurt and and
you're well, you're documenting

1010
00:58:29,060 --> 00:58:31,020
this well.
You're holding town halls.

1011
00:58:31,340 --> 00:58:36,980
Once in a while, people are
going to start claiming right

1012
00:58:37,340 --> 00:58:40,380
there will be, you will spread
civil disobedience to the

1013
00:58:40,420 --> 00:58:43,140
unconstitutional laws more and
more, right?

1014
00:58:43,540 --> 00:58:46,460
And so now sometimes that's
easier.

1015
00:58:47,090 --> 00:58:49,850
Then other times depending on
the situation and I I I

1016
00:58:49,850 --> 00:58:52,970
recognize that and and I've
thought through you know

1017
00:58:53,090 --> 00:58:55,570
different scenarios and I
believe there are answers to

1018
00:58:55,570 --> 00:58:58,930
every scenario over time.
So this takes a lot to kind of

1019
00:58:58,930 --> 00:59:02,050
wrap your heads around because
this is new thinking I think for

1020
00:59:02,050 --> 00:59:05,850
a lot of people that's why I
have the manual and the classes

1021
00:59:05,850 --> 00:59:09,690
and and I love helping people
process individual situations

1022
00:59:10,170 --> 00:59:14,210
and and defending Utah is here
to support people in that that's

1023
00:59:14,210 --> 00:59:15,680
that's what we're doing.
Okay.

1024
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:22,040
So but it's a great question
because to me the problem is not

1025
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:26,600
so much Oh no, in court they're
gonna get us Okay because once

1026
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,160
you know you have a right, you
learn to claim it as a

1027
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,760
community.
I mean okay let's let's back up

1028
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,720
to the simple example that I
gave you earlier.

1029
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:38,440
If the officer says who knocked
on your door and says he wants

1030
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,640
to search your house and you
says if you get a warrant and he

1031
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,440
says, well we'll let a judge
decide that.

1032
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:47,710
You're probably going to say no,
you can get a warrant, you know,

1033
00:59:47,950 --> 00:59:50,310
and I guess a judge, they get a
warrant from a judge.

1034
00:59:50,310 --> 00:59:52,190
But.
But if they wanted to not have a

1035
00:59:52,190 --> 00:59:54,510
warrant, they might say, our
lawyers say we don't have to.

1036
00:59:54,510 --> 00:59:55,590
That's a better way to explain
it.

1037
00:59:55,830 --> 00:59:57,670
OK.
Our lawyers say we don't need a

1038
00:59:57,670 --> 01:00:00,070
warrant.
Or our lawyers say this napkin

1039
01:00:00,070 --> 01:00:03,350
in my pocket is a warrant.
That happens a lot, actually,

1040
01:00:03,550 --> 01:00:05,550
where they give you something
and they call it a warrant.

1041
01:00:05,550 --> 01:00:08,430
And it's not really a warrant
because they're trying to kind

1042
01:00:08,430 --> 01:00:09,790
of gaslight you.
OK.

1043
01:00:09,790 --> 01:00:10,430
I've heard of this.
Don't.

1044
01:00:10,710 --> 01:00:15,260
Go to jail for that.
There's got it's got to be

1045
01:00:15,260 --> 01:00:17,100
illegal.
To misrepresent a document.

1046
01:00:17,100 --> 01:00:21,020
They This is why fighting in the
courts isn't good most of the

1047
01:00:21,020 --> 01:00:24,860
time because I have I have some
opinions on the court but you

1048
01:00:24,860 --> 01:00:27,340
don't get your liberate in the
court because they are so good

1049
01:00:27,340 --> 01:00:32,300
at playing games okay and so you
know it's a case by case thing

1050
01:00:32,300 --> 01:00:38,020
again but I would guess that.
They would say, well, you didn't

1051
01:00:38,020 --> 01:00:39,860
ask for a real warrant.
Or they'll say this is an

1052
01:00:39,860 --> 01:00:42,500
administrative warrant, They'll
change the language.

1053
01:00:42,700 --> 01:00:44,900
So they didn't actually claim it
was a warrant.

1054
01:00:45,100 --> 01:00:47,780
Like, whatever it is, it's a
game somewhere, OK.

1055
01:00:48,020 --> 01:00:51,500
So you have to inherently
understand your rights so well

1056
01:00:51,900 --> 01:00:54,820
that no matter what is thrown at
you, you can stand in your

1057
01:00:54,820 --> 01:00:56,860
square.
This is so important.

1058
01:00:56,860 --> 01:01:01,500
OK, Being able to stand in your
square and then teaching more

1059
01:01:01,500 --> 01:01:04,100
people to be able to do that.
So when you say, you know, well,

1060
01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:05,860
I know that's not a warrant
because.

1061
01:01:06,290 --> 01:01:08,570
Doesn't have these three
constitutional requirements that

1062
01:01:08,570 --> 01:01:11,450
would have warrant this.
So thank you, officer.

1063
01:01:11,450 --> 01:01:14,770
When you come back with a valid
constitutional warrant other

1064
01:01:14,770 --> 01:01:16,890
than that, I'd ask you to leave
my property, right.

1065
01:01:16,890 --> 01:01:20,370
And so it's like now you know,
they're trespassing and all that

1066
01:01:20,370 --> 01:01:21,970
kind of stuff.
But you got to learn how to do

1067
01:01:21,970 --> 01:01:24,410
all these things intelligently,
without emotion.

1068
01:01:24,690 --> 01:01:28,490
When you stand on your rights,
there's so much power, more than

1069
01:01:28,490 --> 01:01:34,730
we believe we have K so, so then
that being said.

1070
01:01:35,650 --> 01:01:39,010
My concern is not so much
courts, but being able to for

1071
01:01:39,010 --> 01:01:40,490
us.
We need to learn how to stand in

1072
01:01:40,490 --> 01:01:44,490
our square on these things.
We need to We need to nullify.

1073
01:01:44,570 --> 01:01:46,530
We talked a lot about
nullification over the years.

1074
01:01:46,530 --> 01:01:49,970
K not just nullificate.
Large legislators can nullify

1075
01:01:49,970 --> 01:01:52,610
the feds.
Our counties can nullify the

1076
01:01:52,610 --> 01:01:56,130
state, but we personally nullify
these committees as communities

1077
01:01:56,130 --> 01:01:59,210
can nullify.
That is the very essence of the

1078
01:01:59,210 --> 01:02:02,410
checks and balances.
But we want to help our sheriff

1079
01:02:02,490 --> 01:02:05,170
nullify the ATF when they come
into town.

1080
01:02:06,090 --> 01:02:09,650
That's protecting his authority,
showing him why he has the

1081
01:02:09,650 --> 01:02:13,130
authority to nullify.
The problem is lawyers, Okay,

1082
01:02:13,130 --> 01:02:14,770
lawyers are a problem that
you're bringing up.

1083
01:02:15,130 --> 01:02:19,890
It's not so much that he's going
to go open some case in court

1084
01:02:19,930 --> 01:02:21,530
and then we're going to have to
adjudicate this.

1085
01:02:21,770 --> 01:02:25,210
The problem is more he's going
to be buddies with the County

1086
01:02:25,210 --> 01:02:27,610
Attorney.
Hey, Joe, what do you think of

1087
01:02:27,610 --> 01:02:30,560
this?
Right, K that's the issue.

1088
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,360
And so even if you help him get
excited, he actually wants to do

1089
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:35,800
the right thing.
He thinks, gosh, all these

1090
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,320
people will love me if I just do
this simple little thing.

1091
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,280
I'll do that.
I'll maintain my power longer.

1092
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,680
Even though the voting system's
rigged, they love that all their

1093
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:49,280
constituents would love them.
So there is an ambition aspect

1094
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,960
that they will want to do the
right thing if you bring them

1095
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,320
something intelligent.
So when he goes to his lawyer

1096
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,320
and he says, hey, they had this
declaration.

1097
01:02:58,930 --> 01:03:02,970
And you know I want I'm, I'm
thinking I'm going to get behind

1098
01:03:02,970 --> 01:03:05,970
this and I'm going to you know
whatever it is, whatever action

1099
01:03:05,970 --> 01:03:08,730
you're asking for and I've
written a number of examples of

1100
01:03:08,730 --> 01:03:14,010
these by the way we we can talk
about that and that attorney is

1101
01:03:14,010 --> 01:03:18,410
going to look at it and go no
because then he'll throw in

1102
01:03:18,410 --> 01:03:22,050
these case law examples.
So, so that really is the goal.

1103
01:03:22,330 --> 01:03:27,650
We have to understand the law so
well that we do get around that.

1104
01:03:28,030 --> 01:03:31,950
You know, to to a degree and and
I've worked very hard on that

1105
01:03:32,270 --> 01:03:35,030
and really if you understand the
Constitution, your rights well

1106
01:03:35,030 --> 01:03:36,910
enough, it's really just a
matter of articulating it

1107
01:03:36,910 --> 01:03:39,630
correctly.
So it's not like our words are

1108
01:03:39,630 --> 01:03:42,390
magic that if you say the right
thing, the sheriff will obey you

1109
01:03:42,670 --> 01:03:44,830
right.
And it's it's about

1110
01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:49,150
understanding the process he's
going to go through and helping

1111
01:03:49,150 --> 01:03:52,750
him get around misunderstandings
or confusions.

1112
01:03:53,310 --> 01:03:55,950
So if we don't study the
Constitution.

1113
01:03:56,370 --> 01:03:58,970
Which is why we have our weekly
class with Dr. Scott Bradley.

1114
01:04:00,130 --> 01:04:02,170
We can't execute on this as
well.

1115
01:04:03,050 --> 01:04:04,410
Now we're never going to be
perfect.

1116
01:04:04,450 --> 01:04:07,130
We're never going to know it
well enough to be perfect.

1117
01:04:08,210 --> 01:04:11,730
But we're we're going to try and
we're going to fail.

1118
01:04:11,730 --> 01:04:13,610
We're going to learn and then
we're going to try better.

1119
01:04:13,890 --> 01:04:15,650
And I've already seen this this
happen.

1120
01:04:15,650 --> 01:04:21,010
So defending Utah, if you, if
you watch the classes that I've

1121
01:04:21,010 --> 01:04:25,650
given, has some examples of
things we've tried but also.

1122
01:04:26,470 --> 01:04:28,830
We have an affiliate
organization that we've created,

1123
01:04:28,830 --> 01:04:31,550
which is a national
organization, OK, called the

1124
01:04:31,550 --> 01:04:36,190
American Committees Association.
OK, so we taken all this

1125
01:04:36,190 --> 01:04:37,750
knowledge that we've gained
that.

1126
01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:39,750
I'm only giving a teaser of here
on this podcast.

1127
01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:41,710
I want to make that clear.
I know, I know people listening

1128
01:04:41,710 --> 01:04:43,630
are going to have questions.
It won't work because of this.

1129
01:04:43,630 --> 01:04:46,190
Or what about this?
Those are all great questions.

1130
01:04:46,510 --> 01:04:48,510
I am convinced the founding
fathers knew what they were

1131
01:04:48,510 --> 01:04:53,430
doing and that these natural
laws are correct and so we can

1132
01:04:53,430 --> 01:04:56,340
address.
All these questions and yes, it

1133
01:04:56,340 --> 01:05:01,700
takes work.
But by consistently applying and

1134
01:05:02,100 --> 01:05:05,980
honoring these natural laws, we
will get the end results we're

1135
01:05:05,980 --> 01:05:09,260
looking for.
I I believe that wholeheartedly

1136
01:05:09,420 --> 01:05:10,620
and I believe everyone else can
too.

1137
01:05:10,620 --> 01:05:12,780
You just got, it's new.
You got to process it.

1138
01:05:12,780 --> 01:05:14,140
You got to think about it okay.
So.

1139
01:05:14,460 --> 01:05:17,500
So the American Communities
Association is taking these

1140
01:05:18,100 --> 01:05:22,020
these ideas and these plans and
these organizing concepts and

1141
01:05:22,020 --> 01:05:24,340
we've have been.
Sharing them.

1142
01:05:24,340 --> 01:05:29,900
This manual has been shared
across the the country and we

1143
01:05:29,900 --> 01:05:34,780
have 3 committees in California
that are using this manual

1144
01:05:35,060 --> 01:05:36,820
today.
They've had sheriff meetings

1145
01:05:36,820 --> 01:05:38,780
already.
We've been getting feedback.

1146
01:05:38,780 --> 01:05:43,140
We've been seeing some shocking
successes as far as in

1147
01:05:43,180 --> 01:05:47,980
California of all of all places,
OK And of course, this is all

1148
01:05:47,980 --> 01:05:49,620
very new.
This is new in the, in the

1149
01:05:49,620 --> 01:05:53,020
landscape of just activism in
America in general, OK.

1150
01:05:54,220 --> 01:05:56,140
At least being able to actually
apply this.

1151
01:05:56,980 --> 01:06:02,740
The successes are a lot in this
the the the the willingness of

1152
01:06:02,740 --> 01:06:05,220
sheriffs to want to be on the
side of the people.

1153
01:06:06,220 --> 01:06:10,740
They just can't have an angry
mob or an unintelligent thing.

1154
01:06:11,100 --> 01:06:14,020
You're thrown at them.
They will look stupid to their

1155
01:06:14,020 --> 01:06:16,740
County Attorney, to whoever else
they have to answer to.

1156
01:06:17,100 --> 01:06:20,300
So you you have to give them
things that are legally sound,

1157
01:06:20,780 --> 01:06:27,750
this one sheriff in California.
Responded to this committee in

1158
01:06:27,750 --> 01:06:30,790
in one meeting and said, so if
you're going to be bringing me

1159
01:06:30,790 --> 01:06:35,270
these, these documents, these
affidavits, these declarations,

1160
01:06:35,470 --> 01:06:38,750
you must have a constitutional
attorney on your team, right?

1161
01:06:38,950 --> 01:06:41,950
Almost testing them, Okay.
And this is what we have to

1162
01:06:41,950 --> 01:06:46,150
understand is the intelligent
people in the system will test

1163
01:06:46,150 --> 01:06:48,270
you and you have to be able to
stand your square.

1164
01:06:48,730 --> 01:06:51,290
So the test was you must have a
constitutional attorney.

1165
01:06:51,290 --> 01:06:53,770
You must know the law so well if
you think you know you're going

1166
01:06:53,770 --> 01:06:59,730
to do this right.
And but of course, you know, one

1167
01:06:59,810 --> 01:07:02,690
part of the discussion was how
many constitutional attorneys

1168
01:07:02,690 --> 01:07:05,210
even are there in the country,
attorneys that understand the

1169
01:07:05,210 --> 01:07:06,810
Constitution.
Right.

1170
01:07:06,970 --> 01:07:09,210
And the sheriff agreed.
The sheriff was like okay.

1171
01:07:09,210 --> 01:07:10,850
It was a good answer.
But, you know, and they

1172
01:07:10,850 --> 01:07:15,210
discussed a little more but you
know, he said he's willing to

1173
01:07:15,210 --> 01:07:16,570
listen.
So they, you know, having

1174
01:07:16,570 --> 01:07:23,600
established that relationship.
And in in Arizona, I've been

1175
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,560
talking to people in Michigan,
I've been talking to groups that

1176
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:32,520
are very excited about this.
So in Utah, we've had a a

1177
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:36,600
committee in in Southern Utah
that has been exploring and

1178
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:40,520
operating under this manual and
charter at least an older

1179
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:47,080
version of it for two years and
and then just this past week.

1180
01:07:47,670 --> 01:07:50,630
And we've had some organizations
actually go to elected officials

1181
01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:52,670
and talk about some of the
problems with public private

1182
01:07:52,670 --> 01:07:55,590
partnerships, and they've been
delivering declarations and

1183
01:07:56,230 --> 01:08:00,270
meeting with sheriffs.
So we're starting to use this

1184
01:08:00,270 --> 01:08:04,430
process.
But again, it's gonna take some

1185
01:08:04,430 --> 01:08:07,990
time as we explore and learn,
and we will.

1186
01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:10,790
So I'm just sitting here
thinking and.

1187
01:08:11,630 --> 01:08:14,590
Even if you're not getting the
desired results you want, you're

1188
01:08:14,590 --> 01:08:17,470
at least slowing down the
process on the other side,

1189
01:08:17,470 --> 01:08:19,149
right?
Some of these, you know, similar

1190
01:08:19,149 --> 01:08:21,830
tactics work simply from
traditional activist

1191
01:08:21,830 --> 01:08:24,350
organizations by being a loud
voice.

1192
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:27,189
And there's a natural law that
they feel accountable to the

1193
01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:29,390
loud voice to the mob a little
bit, right?

1194
01:08:29,390 --> 01:08:32,069
Or at least they can be nervous,
but sometimes they laugh in our

1195
01:08:32,069 --> 01:08:38,029
face also at the same time, OK.
The the, the smart cities is

1196
01:08:38,029 --> 01:08:41,189
something that that that was
actually what was delivered.

1197
01:08:41,390 --> 01:08:45,029
We were starting to deliver this
past this past week.

1198
01:08:45,870 --> 01:08:51,310
So if you go to the website Utah
committee dot US okay this is a

1199
01:08:51,310 --> 01:08:58,790
state level committee where we
publish these constitutional

1200
01:08:58,790 --> 01:09:01,710
principle declarations that
we've been practicing at this

1201
01:09:01,710 --> 01:09:04,670
for a couple years.
And they're getting better and

1202
01:09:04,670 --> 01:09:07,470
stronger.
And, you know, in 2020, we had a

1203
01:09:07,470 --> 01:09:10,470
lockdown, one that was about,
you know, terminating emergency

1204
01:09:10,470 --> 01:09:11,670
powers.
I think we're going to have to

1205
01:09:11,670 --> 01:09:13,870
revisit that because they're
doing some things with water and

1206
01:09:13,870 --> 01:09:16,029
trying to take our water under
what they call water

1207
01:09:16,029 --> 01:09:20,390
emergencies.
But the idea is that how do you

1208
01:09:20,430 --> 01:09:24,630
push back against smart cities?
Well, you have to identify why

1209
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:28,069
they're illegal.
Why is the government breaking

1210
01:09:28,069 --> 01:09:31,910
the law in what they're doing?
And can they do it in a way that

1211
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:35,920
they're not breaking the law?
You can't just complain about

1212
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:37,520
them.
We don't like smart cities,

1213
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:41,120
right?
If if you are enforcing the

1214
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,760
voice of the people, you have to
be able to understand how it's

1215
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:45,720
illegal in in the state
constitution.

1216
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,880
K and and so on that website
Utah Committee US there's a link

1217
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:54,600
called documents and I label
these declarations that we put

1218
01:09:54,600 --> 01:10:01,600
out and the the 2nd to last one
right now 2023-4 is about these

1219
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:05,950
districts.
And it and it lists out the

1220
01:10:06,110 --> 01:10:08,550
parts of the constitution that
get violated.

1221
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:13,630
And then actually I wrote a much
more readable article on our

1222
01:10:13,630 --> 01:10:15,390
website.
If you go to defendingutah.org

1223
01:10:15,390 --> 01:10:19,550
for slash smart cities, I walk
through how they're legal with

1224
01:10:19,550 --> 01:10:22,110
the legislature is doing,
they're trying to, you know

1225
01:10:22,110 --> 01:10:25,430
erase various boundaries.
So and I can tell you right now

1226
01:10:25,950 --> 01:10:28,830
it it is a principle of
republicanism to have boundaries

1227
01:10:28,830 --> 01:10:32,270
and jurisdiction and otherwise
you can't have representation at

1228
01:10:32,270 --> 01:10:35,570
all.
And so they are erasing those.

1229
01:10:35,650 --> 01:10:40,170
They're trying to redelegate
authority to private companies,

1230
01:10:40,450 --> 01:10:43,530
to regional governments, things
that are connected to like the

1231
01:10:43,530 --> 01:10:48,530
UN and and so forth.
But break it down simply to

1232
01:10:49,250 --> 01:10:53,650
there's a line in the state
constitution that prohibits the

1233
01:10:53,650 --> 01:10:57,770
redelegation of authority.
It's right there in black and

1234
01:10:57,770 --> 01:11:01,010
white.
OK, so we need to show our

1235
01:11:01,210 --> 01:11:04,210
elected officials our sheriff's
hey, they're redelegating

1236
01:11:04,210 --> 01:11:05,570
authority.
They can't do that.

1237
01:11:05,570 --> 01:11:07,650
We need you to get behind this
and enforce it.

1238
01:11:07,930 --> 01:11:09,970
Another thing they're doing is
there's a free trade clause in

1239
01:11:09,970 --> 01:11:13,930
the state constitution where I
in my article that I just

1240
01:11:13,930 --> 01:11:15,650
mentioned.
I broke it down grammatically

1241
01:11:15,650 --> 01:11:18,290
because it's difficult to
understand that first, and it is

1242
01:11:18,290 --> 01:11:21,610
one of the most blatantly
ignored lines in our state

1243
01:11:21,610 --> 01:11:22,890
constitution.
If you ask me.

1244
01:11:23,690 --> 01:11:25,650
It's the whole line that says
why.

1245
01:11:26,530 --> 01:11:30,210
Mixing government with business
is illegal.

1246
01:11:30,450 --> 01:11:33,570
Is is downright illegal.
Yet we do it every day now.

1247
01:11:33,730 --> 01:11:35,730
We praise it as the most
wonderful thing that we're

1248
01:11:35,730 --> 01:11:39,050
cooperating, right?
People don't understand that's

1249
01:11:39,050 --> 01:11:41,730
the very definition of fascism,
right?

1250
01:11:42,130 --> 01:11:46,130
Where in communism they're going
to come in and they're just

1251
01:11:46,130 --> 01:11:50,210
going to nationalize everything.
With fascism, If you look back

1252
01:11:50,210 --> 01:11:54,890
historically, Hitler kept Krupp
steel, Mussolini kept the

1253
01:11:54,890 --> 01:11:57,990
corporations.
And and instead of being

1254
01:11:57,990 --> 01:12:01,870
federalized, they just worked
kind of for the government and

1255
01:12:01,870 --> 01:12:04,390
with the government.
And it's great that we have in

1256
01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:07,990
our state constitution something
to prevent that.

1257
01:12:08,110 --> 01:12:10,710
We just got to hold the
politicians to it.

1258
01:12:11,230 --> 01:12:12,430
Right.
And we have to be able to

1259
01:12:12,430 --> 01:12:16,390
understand it.
So that because a lawyer, I'd be

1260
01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:19,430
shocked how many lawyers even
understand that because it's not

1261
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:22,350
part of their job, it's not part
of their training, it's it's one

1262
01:12:22,350 --> 01:12:24,230
of those things that never even
comes up probably.

1263
01:12:24,990 --> 01:12:28,030
And so I think what's commonly
understood among the legal

1264
01:12:28,030 --> 01:12:31,110
profession is conspiracy.
If you could prove someone's

1265
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:35,350
conspiring to control part of
the market, that then that is

1266
01:12:35,350 --> 01:12:38,870
more understood.
But but the state constitution

1267
01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:43,830
doesn't say conspiracy in trade
is the only thing that's legal.

1268
01:12:44,990 --> 01:12:46,990
It's broken down into three
parts.

1269
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:51,830
Any contract in restraint of
trade, you can do it wide open

1270
01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:53,470
and on purpose.
Doesn't even have to be a

1271
01:12:53,470 --> 01:12:55,850
conspiracy.
If you create a contract with

1272
01:12:55,850 --> 01:13:01,570
the state and that restrains the
free market from filling a need,

1273
01:13:02,970 --> 01:13:05,850
that is unconstitutional, it's
right there in black and white.

1274
01:13:06,330 --> 01:13:08,970
And so I broke that down in this
article.

1275
01:13:09,330 --> 01:13:14,290
And and that's something though
we definitely have to teach our

1276
01:13:14,290 --> 01:13:18,010
sheriffs, we have to teach our,
our city council's this very

1277
01:13:18,010 --> 01:13:21,090
specific thing why publicprivate
partnerships are illegal when

1278
01:13:21,090 --> 01:13:24,060
they start to learn it.
It needs to become as commonly

1279
01:13:24,060 --> 01:13:25,700
understood as the Second
Amendment.

1280
01:13:25,860 --> 01:13:29,500
Oh, you can't take our guns.
Oh, you can't fund that private

1281
01:13:29,500 --> 01:13:32,780
company because now the free
market can't fill it.

1282
01:13:33,900 --> 01:13:37,220
Now I'm not totally ignorant to
that question is is could get a

1283
01:13:37,220 --> 01:13:39,540
little more detailed.
Sometimes government you know

1284
01:13:40,540 --> 01:13:43,220
goes to private companies to
fill their needs and so forth.

1285
01:13:43,220 --> 01:13:48,500
But but in general we are so
overboard on this as we're

1286
01:13:48,900 --> 01:13:52,020
praising publicprivate
partnerships and we're taking

1287
01:13:52,020 --> 01:13:54,590
that as a.
First approach and then we're

1288
01:13:54,590 --> 01:13:57,030
giving private companies the
power to make law.

1289
01:13:57,030 --> 01:14:00,990
We're redelegating authority to
private companies.

1290
01:14:01,430 --> 01:14:04,350
And so there's a variety of
unconstitutional things here.

1291
01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:06,910
So if we want to go against the
smart cities.

1292
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:10,360
We're not just we can't just
complain that we're worried

1293
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:12,560
about it is still being future
even though that is exactly what

1294
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:14,440
they're you know the building,
right.

1295
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:17,520
Our neighbor.
It's too much for our neighbors

1296
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,880
to to to who don't even know
about smart cities to talk

1297
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:22,840
about.
You know they're building this

1298
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:26,920
crazy prison for us, right?
It's going to go in one, air out

1299
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:28,480
the other.
You can't give them the

1300
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:30,680
background by just knocking on
their door.

1301
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:35,960
So but what we can do is we can
identify how they're violating a

1302
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:38,210
specific line.
And that is the voice of the

1303
01:14:38,210 --> 01:14:41,210
people, and we have the
authority to enforce that.

1304
01:14:42,090 --> 01:14:45,890
So yeah.
Anyway.

1305
01:14:47,490 --> 01:14:49,690
Oh, OK.
So this is a pretty good point,

1306
01:14:49,690 --> 01:14:53,330
too, so that the next
declaration I put out is about

1307
01:14:53,330 --> 01:14:57,090
these, the privacy invasions.
This is a big deal.

1308
01:14:57,130 --> 01:14:59,090
I think it's even bigger than
the smart cities.

1309
01:15:02,850 --> 01:15:07,410
So you go to the airport now.
Right.

1310
01:15:07,410 --> 01:15:09,690
And they got all these face
scanners and and let me give

1311
01:15:09,690 --> 01:15:12,370
advice to everybody or I meant
to make a YouTube video about

1312
01:15:12,370 --> 01:15:15,090
this and I haven't yet.
People need to know, they need

1313
01:15:15,090 --> 01:15:19,090
to be opting out at the airport.
They can you walk up to the the,

1314
01:15:19,090 --> 01:15:22,530
you know, security, they're
going to tell you put your face,

1315
01:15:22,690 --> 01:15:26,210
you know, in the box and if you
say do I have to do that,

1316
01:15:26,210 --> 01:15:27,770
they'll say yes, that's what we
do.

1317
01:15:28,010 --> 01:15:30,930
You have to use the keyword opt
out, Okay.

1318
01:15:30,930 --> 01:15:32,410
And so all these things are
happening.

1319
01:15:32,910 --> 01:15:36,110
This is why they would argue
it's legal right now because,

1320
01:15:36,230 --> 01:15:38,910
well, you can opt out.
We're not forcing you to do it,

1321
01:15:38,910 --> 01:15:40,830
you know any of these things,
but they're collecting your

1322
01:15:40,830 --> 01:15:43,910
data, they're putting you in a
facial recognition database so

1323
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:47,310
that all the cameras all around
the cities can start to

1324
01:15:47,310 --> 01:15:49,710
recognize it's China style.
We've seen those videos about

1325
01:15:49,710 --> 01:15:52,510
China doing that, right.
They are absolutely building

1326
01:15:52,510 --> 01:15:55,310
that infrastructure right now.
It's not just going to be in the

1327
01:15:55,310 --> 01:15:58,950
smart cities, but it's going to
expand and to everywhere if

1328
01:15:58,950 --> 01:16:01,470
they, you know, they can help in
20 years so.

1329
01:16:01,830 --> 01:16:03,590
Right now, we have the right to
opt out.

1330
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:07,670
That's a soft way to kind of,
you know, push back.

1331
01:16:07,670 --> 01:16:09,950
But let me explain to you how
the courts see this.

1332
01:16:10,710 --> 01:16:13,790
Because I wanted to write a
declaration that would tell

1333
01:16:13,790 --> 01:16:17,630
cities they need to take those
cameras down so that as

1334
01:16:17,630 --> 01:16:21,110
committees you can go to your
city, you can gather the voice

1335
01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:24,070
of the people, you can gather
signatures and you can create a

1336
01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:28,070
legally a lawful document
admissible in court.

1337
01:16:28,540 --> 01:16:33,420
That that shows the grievances
and you're demanding redress and

1338
01:16:33,420 --> 01:16:36,860
if if the cities are on your
side and they agree, they will

1339
01:16:37,500 --> 01:16:39,340
start taking the cameras down.
In theory, right?

1340
01:16:39,340 --> 01:16:41,460
This is the theory.
You can call it a big dream if

1341
01:16:41,460 --> 01:16:45,100
you want, right?
But but I believe it is possible

1342
01:16:45,980 --> 01:16:49,590
and so so my thought was.
Let's define how they're

1343
01:16:49,590 --> 01:16:51,070
violating the law.
Pretty simple.

1344
01:16:51,070 --> 01:16:54,790
Did you have a warrant you know
to take my facial recognition

1345
01:16:54,790 --> 01:16:56,590
you know data did you have and
all these things.

1346
01:16:56,790 --> 01:16:59,270
But I thought very carefully,
how does the court see this

1347
01:16:59,550 --> 01:17:02,550
because when the sheriff gets
these declarations that's he's

1348
01:17:02,550 --> 01:17:04,990
going to take it to his County
Attorney and he'll say, well we

1349
01:17:04,990 --> 01:17:07,710
have the right because of this
and this ruling and so forth.

1350
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:11,030
And then the sheriff sheriff can
ignore his County Attorney if he

1351
01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:13,630
agrees with us.
We just need to show him why

1352
01:17:13,630 --> 01:17:17,030
he's justified and give him the
motivation to to.

1353
01:17:17,570 --> 01:17:19,690
Use his ambition.
Like we said, right?

1354
01:17:19,890 --> 01:17:23,450
With his ambition, he has all
the power to ignore everybody

1355
01:17:23,490 --> 01:17:27,170
who's a naysayer, if we can show
him why it's lawful, and so

1356
01:17:27,170 --> 01:17:29,530
forth.
So I investigated the courts,

1357
01:17:29,930 --> 01:17:35,570
and when they ruled against our
privacy and it was very

1358
01:17:35,570 --> 01:17:38,770
interesting, I was shocked that
I was more impressed with the

1359
01:17:38,770 --> 01:17:40,130
courts than I thought I would
be.

1360
01:17:41,170 --> 01:17:44,370
They were more reasonable than I
thought they would be, while

1361
01:17:44,370 --> 01:17:48,050
still sometimes they weren't.
But it wasn't like a wholesale

1362
01:17:48,050 --> 01:17:50,450
just abandoning of our rights
like I thought I was going to

1363
01:17:50,450 --> 01:17:53,730
find.
So imagine this.

1364
01:17:53,810 --> 01:17:56,050
We can think through logically
and have empathy for this

1365
01:17:56,050 --> 01:17:59,610
process.
Long time ago, whether someone

1366
01:18:00,050 --> 01:18:02,250
violated your right to privacy
was very simple.

1367
01:18:02,850 --> 01:18:05,970
You own property, there's a
property line, you cross it,

1368
01:18:05,970 --> 01:18:08,130
you're trespassing.
Pretty simple.

1369
01:18:08,130 --> 01:18:10,850
We didn't have telephones.
We didn't have the Internet, you

1370
01:18:10,850 --> 01:18:15,790
know, and so forth.
And so it used to be the courts,

1371
01:18:16,750 --> 01:18:18,910
the way, you know, they would
look at trespassing a long time

1372
01:18:18,910 --> 01:18:21,750
ago is simply, did they cross
the property line and without

1373
01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:23,270
permission, You know, pretty
simple.

1374
01:18:23,270 --> 01:18:24,670
And there's still an element of
that.

1375
01:18:25,310 --> 01:18:27,990
But imagine this case that came
before the courts.

1376
01:18:28,550 --> 01:18:30,230
Guy walks into a phone booth in
public.

1377
01:18:31,630 --> 01:18:35,750
He he closes the phone booth and
he gets on a phone call.

1378
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:41,000
And someone was listening to
him, a agent of a police agent

1379
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,400
was, was listening to him,
gathered evidence against him.

1380
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:47,040
And it becomes goes all the way,
all the way to the Supreme Court

1381
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:49,200
whether he violated his right to
privacy.

1382
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:52,960
Well, he was in public.
He wasn't in his home, in, you

1383
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:57,480
know, behind his property line.
And I'm kind of paraphrasing the

1384
01:18:57,480 --> 01:18:58,560
case.
I didn't read the whole thing,

1385
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:01,040
but I got the gist of it here.
There was the phone booth case.

1386
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:05,400
And so the courts had to decide.
How do we know?

1387
01:19:05,810 --> 01:19:09,370
That this guy had a right to
privacy while he was in public

1388
01:19:10,930 --> 01:19:13,930
and the courts are very
mechanical as an as a software

1389
01:19:13,930 --> 01:19:17,410
engineer I can appreciate that
it's very mechanical to the

1390
01:19:17,410 --> 01:19:20,810
details because you have to
realize that whatever they apply

1391
01:19:20,810 --> 01:19:23,930
they're going to set a precedent
that will that can mechanically

1392
01:19:23,930 --> 01:19:25,730
be applied you know to other
things.

1393
01:19:26,210 --> 01:19:32,490
And so they they said well it is
obvious to everybody.

1394
01:19:33,170 --> 01:19:35,890
That when he went into that
phone booth and closed his door,

1395
01:19:36,570 --> 01:19:38,530
he wanted to have a private
conversation.

1396
01:19:39,650 --> 01:19:46,690
K they take the the key obvious
to everybody they that's a

1397
01:19:46,690 --> 01:19:49,970
cultural thing.
Does the culture at large

1398
01:19:49,970 --> 01:19:53,450
believe that you have a right to
privacy when you close the door

1399
01:19:53,450 --> 01:19:55,450
in the phone booth?
You ask anyone on the street,

1400
01:19:55,450 --> 01:19:57,810
they'd say yeah, that's why you
have a private phone booth.

1401
01:19:58,370 --> 01:20:01,370
K So therefore we this precedent
came.

1402
01:20:02,170 --> 01:20:06,810
A legal doctrine of an A
reasonable expectation of

1403
01:20:06,810 --> 01:20:11,490
privacy makes sense.
So if you're out in public and

1404
01:20:11,490 --> 01:20:13,490
you have a reasonable
expectation of privacy.

1405
01:20:14,650 --> 01:20:17,370
But how do you know?
Well, there was an overt act

1406
01:20:17,370 --> 01:20:19,410
that you closed the door to the
phone booth maybe?

1407
01:20:19,850 --> 01:20:27,530
Or there was another case where
so like if you walk by a house

1408
01:20:27,530 --> 01:20:29,810
and you're on a public St. you
can see something from the

1409
01:20:29,810 --> 01:20:32,600
public.
He can't expect the police

1410
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,880
officer to close his eyes and
not look at every house.

1411
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:39,320
K that's not his problem.
You have to claim your privacy

1412
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:43,000
by closing your window shades,
right?

1413
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:45,800
It's very reasonable when you
think about it.

1414
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:49,960
K So by understanding that these
are the kinds of things that the

1415
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:53,600
lawyers, you know, look at.
So one day the court is going to

1416
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:56,040
rule on the street cameras in
America.

1417
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:59,910
One day they will.
We have to get ahead of that.

1418
01:20:59,990 --> 01:21:06,070
Right now, if we say nothing and
we allow it, they're going to

1419
01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:12,390
say, well, we've had these
cameras for 15 years now and

1420
01:21:12,430 --> 01:21:15,350
everybody knows that they're
getting scanned because we all

1421
01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:17,790
go to the driver's license.
We let them scan us, we go to

1422
01:21:17,790 --> 01:21:19,390
the airport, we let them scan
us.

1423
01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:23,150
We are going to allow it by
simply being silent.

1424
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:25,030
And even if we complain on
social media, that doesn't

1425
01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:28,380
count.
OK, what matters is that there

1426
01:21:28,380 --> 01:21:30,940
has never been any action taken.
There's never been any

1427
01:21:30,940 --> 01:21:33,100
complaints made.
There's never been any petitions

1428
01:21:33,100 --> 01:21:36,420
for redress and so forth.
Now we don't have some people

1429
01:21:36,420 --> 01:21:37,780
would say, OK, let's file
lawsuits.

1430
01:21:38,100 --> 01:21:41,140
That is not where I say go.
That is expensive.

1431
01:21:41,180 --> 01:21:44,180
That is one way to put yourself
on record, OK, to show that

1432
01:21:44,180 --> 01:21:46,820
there are lawsuits, but we're
not asking the courts to rule.

1433
01:21:46,820 --> 01:21:50,580
And if we have the right to
privacy, we as a community are

1434
01:21:50,580 --> 01:21:53,100
going to nullify.
We're going to start demanding.

1435
01:21:53,380 --> 01:21:55,500
We're going to take out, you
know, taking affidavits,

1436
01:21:55,780 --> 01:21:58,340
delivering them to every county
clerk, to every sheriff.

1437
01:21:59,020 --> 01:22:02,580
Hey, city, you don't have the
right to put these cameras up

1438
01:22:02,580 --> 01:22:06,500
and invade our privacy.
We are going to go on records,

1439
01:22:06,540 --> 01:22:10,020
you know, really loud and not
just as a mob, but with

1440
01:22:10,020 --> 01:22:13,020
affidavits that are sworn
testimony.

1441
01:22:13,020 --> 01:22:15,380
You know, you know, notarize
whatever it is, right?

1442
01:22:15,380 --> 01:22:19,740
You use those tools now that the
lawyer will push back and say,

1443
01:22:19,740 --> 01:22:23,630
well, it's in public.
And we already have cameras.

1444
01:22:23,870 --> 01:22:26,110
It's probably what it's pretty
well established that security

1445
01:22:26,110 --> 01:22:28,990
cameras in public places,
especially with private

1446
01:22:28,990 --> 01:22:31,230
businesses, right, can kind of
protect their borders.

1447
01:22:31,230 --> 01:22:33,470
And when you're in public, you
don't have a reasonable

1448
01:22:33,470 --> 01:22:36,030
expectation of privacy.
So I understood this.

1449
01:22:36,030 --> 01:22:37,950
So I thought, what's the
difference between these cameras

1450
01:22:37,950 --> 01:22:38,790
then?
Right.

1451
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:41,750
I'm sure they're going to use
that argument of they're just

1452
01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:43,710
cameras.
OK.

1453
01:22:43,710 --> 01:22:47,790
But but so I thought through
this carefully and in the

1454
01:22:47,790 --> 01:22:49,750
declaration I published,
actually, I addressed these

1455
01:22:49,750 --> 01:22:50,820
issues.
Okay.

1456
01:22:51,220 --> 01:22:53,900
So there was another.
I don't know how long you want

1457
01:22:53,900 --> 01:22:56,260
me to Babble on this because I
did a lot of deep diving on

1458
01:22:56,260 --> 01:22:57,260
this.
I'm kind of fascinated.

1459
01:22:58,420 --> 01:23:02,580
Now, there was another case
about a guy in his house, and he

1460
01:23:02,580 --> 01:23:04,740
was growing marijuana plants in
his house.

1461
01:23:04,780 --> 01:23:08,340
This this made it to the Supreme
Court, and he was doing it

1462
01:23:08,340 --> 01:23:10,940
privately in his house.
The police were surveilling his

1463
01:23:10,940 --> 01:23:15,340
house, windows were closed.
So he should have had all the

1464
01:23:15,340 --> 01:23:18,100
privacy in the world.
They can't collect any evidence

1465
01:23:18,100 --> 01:23:20,870
on him.
Unless they can somehow get a

1466
01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:22,950
warrant into his house and they
didn't have any information to

1467
01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:25,630
get a warrant into his house,
all they could do is watch from

1468
01:23:25,630 --> 01:23:28,190
the outside.
The guy was totally within his

1469
01:23:28,190 --> 01:23:33,390
rights as far as privacy is
concerned to and and they didn't

1470
01:23:33,390 --> 01:23:35,990
have any justifiable means.
What they did was they used a

1471
01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:39,430
heat camera that could measure
the heat outside his house.

1472
01:23:40,590 --> 01:23:43,470
This went all the way to the
Supreme Court because because

1473
01:23:43,510 --> 01:23:46,710
because it was like, well, the
heat went outside his house.

1474
01:23:47,570 --> 01:23:49,490
And therefore, now it's in the
public right.

1475
01:23:49,730 --> 01:23:53,090
But yet he was, he was growing
with heat lamps inside his house

1476
01:23:53,530 --> 01:23:55,770
and it became another one of
these phone booth cases.

1477
01:23:56,450 --> 01:24:01,850
K Initially the lower courts
ruled, well, you didn't take any

1478
01:24:01,850 --> 01:24:06,490
overt act to protect the heat
from going outside your house.

1479
01:24:07,490 --> 01:24:09,930
That was the initial ruling K
But then it got reversed by the

1480
01:24:09,930 --> 01:24:12,850
Supreme Court.
So the initial ruling, they were

1481
01:24:12,850 --> 01:24:16,170
trying to follow this, this the
same concept if you didn't close

1482
01:24:16,170 --> 01:24:18,940
your window shades.
Right, Kate.

1483
01:24:20,460 --> 01:24:25,820
And so they when they appealed
it to the Supreme Court, I think

1484
01:24:25,820 --> 01:24:28,860
it was who's that judge that
everybody likes that just

1485
01:24:28,860 --> 01:24:31,340
recently passed away.
He was one of our Scalia.

1486
01:24:31,340 --> 01:24:32,940
Yeah.
I think it was Scalia who ruled

1487
01:24:32,940 --> 01:24:35,260
on this, which is probably why
it got such a good ruling.

1488
01:24:37,140 --> 01:24:39,700
Don't quote me on that.
I read a bunch of cases so maybe

1489
01:24:39,700 --> 01:24:41,220
I'm cross referencing them
wrong.

1490
01:24:41,220 --> 01:24:44,140
But I'm pretty sure that was the
Scalia case and.

1491
01:24:45,020 --> 01:24:48,060
And he thought about this so
deeply because this was

1492
01:24:48,060 --> 01:24:52,060
established doctrine.
He did no overt act to keep the

1493
01:24:52,060 --> 01:24:56,860
heat in his house from being
measured outside, right, Kind of

1494
01:24:56,860 --> 01:24:59,340
silly.
K1 of the arguments they said

1495
01:24:59,340 --> 01:25:03,180
was, well, the device that they
used, that the police used was

1496
01:25:03,180 --> 01:25:06,820
this high tech device that is
not common among people.

1497
01:25:06,900 --> 01:25:08,660
So it wasn't like he used an app
on his phone.

1498
01:25:09,220 --> 01:25:11,580
It was a see, it was a high tech
device.

1499
01:25:11,660 --> 01:25:13,420
So we started going down that
route.

1500
01:25:14,380 --> 01:25:17,380
So you see the thread here that
what is common among the people,

1501
01:25:17,620 --> 01:25:22,380
what we are saying out loud,
ultimately finds its way into

1502
01:25:22,380 --> 01:25:25,900
the courts courtrooms.
OK, and.

1503
01:25:26,340 --> 01:25:28,780
And not that again, the courts
are not the arbiters on our

1504
01:25:28,780 --> 01:25:32,860
rights, but it will also find
its way into how the lawyer

1505
01:25:32,860 --> 01:25:36,140
pushes back against the sheriff.
If we try to claim our rights,

1506
01:25:36,300 --> 01:25:39,580
we'll also find its way into
every aspect of government in

1507
01:25:39,580 --> 01:25:41,940
general.
So culture is so important and

1508
01:25:41,940 --> 01:25:43,780
it's so important that we're
loud voices.

1509
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:46,520
It has a bigger natural impact
than we realize.

1510
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:48,600
Okay.
But we're going to get better at

1511
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:49,480
it.
We're going to get better than

1512
01:25:49,480 --> 01:25:52,040
just being loud activists.
We want to get, we want to

1513
01:25:52,440 --> 01:25:55,520
upgrade how we do this so that
it has even more effect.

1514
01:25:55,920 --> 01:26:01,080
But the back to the court case.
So Scalia thought about this the

1515
01:26:01,440 --> 01:26:04,400
the the fact that the device
was, you know, wasn't in common

1516
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:09,080
use was one argument.
But the ultimate argument was

1517
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:12,080
that Scalia said, you know, we
live in a new world.

1518
01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:17,990
With high technology, we have to
interpret the intention of the

1519
01:26:17,990 --> 01:26:21,750
4th Amendment within the meaning
it had in the day it was

1520
01:26:21,750 --> 01:26:24,430
written.
And so he thought about it

1521
01:26:24,630 --> 01:26:32,710
carefully and he said the way we
rule on this, you know, setting

1522
01:26:32,710 --> 01:26:36,910
a precedent for the future, if
it changes the meaning of the

1523
01:26:36,910 --> 01:26:40,470
intention of the original intent
of the 4th Amendment, it's the

1524
01:26:40,470 --> 01:26:43,660
wrong ruling.
And so he thought about it

1525
01:26:43,660 --> 01:26:47,100
carefully and and ultimately and
he reversed it.

1526
01:26:47,100 --> 01:26:51,540
And he said we cannot allow the
use of, you know, these devices

1527
01:26:51,540 --> 01:26:55,860
to just gather data on us.
Anything you gather has to be if

1528
01:26:55,900 --> 01:26:59,060
if the if you could not have
otherwise gathered it without

1529
01:26:59,060 --> 01:27:04,980
getting a warrant to enter the
home, then you violated their

1530
01:27:04,980 --> 01:27:07,420
rights and that evidence is not
permissible in court.

1531
01:27:07,580 --> 01:27:10,630
So it was a really good ruling.
From the Supreme Court, even

1532
01:27:10,630 --> 01:27:13,150
though the lower courts ruled
wrong at first, but I gained an

1533
01:27:13,150 --> 01:27:16,110
appreciation for the struggle
they were dealing with right

1534
01:27:16,950 --> 01:27:19,950
through that process.
So I then applied all of that

1535
01:27:19,950 --> 01:27:21,990
into this, this declaration.
Now that I've written, it's a

1536
01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:26,870
three page declaration on what
our rights are with with these

1537
01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:29,310
cameras and why facial
recognition is illegal.

1538
01:27:29,310 --> 01:27:34,190
And all this, this biometrics
and these declarations are now

1539
01:27:34,190 --> 01:27:37,950
asking cities to take down
cameras.

1540
01:27:38,450 --> 01:27:40,650
That they've installed if they
have facial recognition and to

1541
01:27:40,650 --> 01:27:43,850
not participate in these
programs, this is going to start

1542
01:27:43,850 --> 01:27:47,170
the conversation in a very
different way if we get more

1543
01:27:47,170 --> 01:27:50,530
people on board following this
program.

1544
01:27:50,530 --> 01:27:54,010
So that's an invitation to
listeners and anyone we have

1545
01:27:54,010 --> 01:27:56,610
this program.
It is well thought out.

1546
01:27:57,330 --> 01:28:00,970
It it we just need strength in
numbers now and people willing

1547
01:28:00,970 --> 01:28:03,610
to dedicate you know an hour a
month.

1548
01:28:04,820 --> 01:28:07,580
And and maybe your Monday night,
if you want to learn from Scott

1549
01:28:07,580 --> 01:28:09,700
Bradley so that you can do this
well.

1550
01:28:09,900 --> 01:28:12,660
But we're trying to do the heavy
lifting on the constitutional

1551
01:28:12,660 --> 01:28:15,660
arguments and then let everybody
use them.

1552
01:28:16,820 --> 01:28:22,620
So this new declaration I wrote
addresses this question of

1553
01:28:22,740 --> 01:28:25,700
expectation of privacy.
We absolutely have an

1554
01:28:25,700 --> 01:28:30,170
expectation of privacy on our.
Biometrics.

1555
01:28:30,170 --> 01:28:34,170
This is, this is like could they
have scanners in public that

1556
01:28:34,250 --> 01:28:37,690
look through our clothes?
You know, can cameras look

1557
01:28:37,690 --> 01:28:40,730
through and and you remember
this was a TSA question actually

1558
01:28:40,730 --> 01:28:42,130
rather than 11.
Only the TSA.

1559
01:28:42,330 --> 01:28:44,690
Right.
But even with the TSA, people

1560
01:28:44,690 --> 01:28:48,370
push back on that far enough
people don't know it that it

1561
01:28:48,370 --> 01:28:50,610
does that anymore because you
know, they used to have the

1562
01:28:50,610 --> 01:28:53,570
pictures where they you could
see through and you knew they

1563
01:28:53,570 --> 01:28:57,460
were taking these these.
Underclosed pictures of us, but

1564
01:28:57,460 --> 01:28:59,540
now that's out of sight, out of
mind.

1565
01:28:59,940 --> 01:29:02,700
People don't know that anymore.
They had to pull back because

1566
01:29:02,700 --> 01:29:05,620
people did push back on that.
But you because people didn't

1567
01:29:05,620 --> 01:29:09,100
accept that and same argument.
People wouldn't accept that out

1568
01:29:09,100 --> 01:29:11,820
in, in, in public if they knew
that was happening.

1569
01:29:12,500 --> 01:29:15,700
So.
So my eyeballs cannot be

1570
01:29:15,700 --> 01:29:19,460
observed casually by other human
beings, right?

1571
01:29:19,460 --> 01:29:23,380
My eyeball scans my facial
features, you know, documented

1572
01:29:23,420 --> 01:29:26,380
by a computer.
Mathematically cannot be

1573
01:29:26,380 --> 01:29:29,860
observed by the general public.
These are private features to

1574
01:29:29,860 --> 01:29:33,580
me.
I have a reasonable expectation

1575
01:29:33,940 --> 01:29:37,260
that those are private to me and
that cameras aren't harvesting

1576
01:29:37,260 --> 01:29:40,620
that data off of me.
This is a claim we have to

1577
01:29:40,620 --> 01:29:44,900
publicly start making now and we
need to deliver that those

1578
01:29:44,900 --> 01:29:50,140
claims to mayors, to city
councils, to sheriffs and saying

1579
01:29:50,140 --> 01:29:53,100
we will not accept this public
surveillance at this level.

1580
01:29:54,180 --> 01:29:57,380
Now if you have a camera for
safety, we've accepted that.

1581
01:29:57,380 --> 01:30:00,140
We're not even complaining about
that, but we want to shut down

1582
01:30:00,300 --> 01:30:02,620
the facial recognition databases
in the state.

1583
01:30:03,060 --> 01:30:05,860
That's kind of the goal.
So I think it's possible.

1584
01:30:06,660 --> 01:30:08,460
We just need more players on the
field.

1585
01:30:08,460 --> 01:30:11,500
Now I think more intelligent
people will come out of the

1586
01:30:11,500 --> 01:30:15,420
woodwork when they understand
this with better ideas, and

1587
01:30:15,420 --> 01:30:21,180
we're all going to work on this
together and we can find pockets

1588
01:30:21,180 --> 01:30:23,900
of freedom that blossom in the
state.

1589
01:30:24,670 --> 01:30:28,510
Even if you find a few here and
there, this ought to work really

1590
01:30:28,510 --> 01:30:31,590
well in rural communities.
Even just having rural

1591
01:30:31,590 --> 01:30:35,590
communities now case by case
basis, right?

1592
01:30:35,590 --> 01:30:38,950
But still, even having those
small pockets of freedom.

1593
01:30:39,390 --> 01:30:43,190
As this grows, bigger cities
will get jealous of the freedom

1594
01:30:43,190 --> 01:30:45,270
you have.
And also that sets precedent.

1595
01:30:45,470 --> 01:30:48,350
How come these three cities
aren't going along with this one

1596
01:30:48,350 --> 01:30:49,910
thing?
How come they don't have climate

1597
01:30:49,910 --> 01:30:52,270
lockdowns?
You know, in this part so.

1598
01:30:52,530 --> 01:30:55,370
This is why, one reason why high
density housing.

1599
01:30:55,370 --> 01:31:00,010
You know that the the elite want
to squash us into a manageables

1600
01:31:00,050 --> 01:31:02,770
the the four county area.
That's their goal. 4 counties

1601
01:31:03,130 --> 01:31:06,570
that they you know they say by
2050 they they don't want any

1602
01:31:06,570 --> 01:31:12,170
rural areas even populated.
Their backup plan is that if

1603
01:31:12,170 --> 01:31:15,010
those rural areas stay populated
and they can't quite move people

1604
01:31:15,010 --> 01:31:17,400
away.
Then they're just going to have

1605
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:20,400
many smart cities they want to
put smart infrastructure to.

1606
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:23,920
They want Total Information
awareness with their technology.

1607
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:27,280
So today we've got to start
declaring why it's wrong.

1608
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:30,760
We've got to say no, it is not
the end of the world like it

1609
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:32,720
feels like.
When we read the headlines, I

1610
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:38,160
want to tell people that OK,
they set ambitious goals by

1611
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:40,160
20-30.
We're going to have, you know, a

1612
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:42,680
World Economic Forum inspired
new world order.

1613
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:46,660
It's just a goal they have.
You know, they've had, they had

1614
01:31:46,660 --> 01:31:50,860
goals to be a Soviet US by 1976.
That was right.

1615
01:31:50,860 --> 01:31:52,380
That was one of their original
goals.

1616
01:31:52,380 --> 01:31:55,900
They always have goals and they
are getting closer to them.

1617
01:31:56,060 --> 01:31:59,860
And it is true that we shouldn't
waste time, but let's not waste

1618
01:31:59,860 --> 01:32:02,900
time running after things that
don't work, right?

1619
01:32:03,060 --> 01:32:07,620
Let's understand the Founders
patterns, let's understand the

1620
01:32:07,620 --> 01:32:12,100
scriptural patterns and then
let's apply them well, let's

1621
01:32:12,140 --> 01:32:14,540
execute them as best and quickly
as we can.

1622
01:32:15,010 --> 01:32:17,410
And it's okay that we fail and
it might not work perfectly, but

1623
01:32:17,410 --> 01:32:23,810
we'll keep trying and I believe
this will catch on and will end

1624
01:32:24,170 --> 01:32:27,330
the conspiracies, influence and
their authority over us.

1625
01:32:27,770 --> 01:32:32,130
So then, from an LDS
perspective, a free society

1626
01:32:32,130 --> 01:32:36,330
prepares the way for any hopes
of Zion after that from a

1627
01:32:36,370 --> 01:32:38,890
political standpoint.
Dude, that's awesome.

1628
01:32:38,890 --> 01:32:42,530
I am so jacked up.
Where can people go to find more

1629
01:32:42,530 --> 01:32:46,330
information on this again?
Okay, so defending utah.org.

1630
01:32:47,210 --> 01:32:51,730
I would invite people to join.
Become a member and learn with

1631
01:32:51,730 --> 01:32:53,850
us.
Each week there's a membership

1632
01:32:53,850 --> 01:32:55,810
tab.
If you want to read just about

1633
01:32:55,810 --> 01:33:01,210
committees at first, you can go
to defendingutah.org/solutions

1634
01:33:01,210 --> 01:33:04,450
Part one Okay and then that will
lead you to Solutions Part 2.

1635
01:33:04,870 --> 01:33:07,950
We do have a Liberty Boot camp
on our website.

1636
01:33:07,950 --> 01:33:11,590
If you click on that, that's a
lot more of the the background

1637
01:33:11,630 --> 01:33:14,110
on why the Constitution matters,
secret combinations.

1638
01:33:14,230 --> 01:33:17,550
It's a great foundation and if
you want to geek out on it and

1639
01:33:17,710 --> 01:33:19,030
get everything, you can go
through that.

1640
01:33:19,030 --> 01:33:21,510
But if you just, but if you're
already there, you're already,

1641
01:33:22,190 --> 01:33:24,270
you know, stalwart for the
Constitution.

1642
01:33:24,710 --> 01:33:26,830
You can start with this
committee, Solutions Part One

1643
01:33:26,830 --> 01:33:30,710
and Solutions Part 2, then join
our meetings.

1644
01:33:31,140 --> 01:33:34,340
And you know, work with me
personally, I'll mentor anyone

1645
01:33:34,460 --> 01:33:39,140
to walk through this and and
we'll go from there.

1646
01:33:39,820 --> 01:33:42,180
Perfect.
I am so excited to see where

1647
01:33:42,180 --> 01:33:45,260
this goes.
So promise me as you get more

1648
01:33:46,100 --> 01:33:50,300
kind of case by case data back
on how this has worked, promise

1649
01:33:50,300 --> 01:33:52,380
me you'll come back on and tell
us about it, All right?

1650
01:33:53,140 --> 01:33:54,500
Sure, definitely.
Yeah.

1651
01:33:54,500 --> 01:33:56,740
We've got, we've got a lot of
initial examples.

1652
01:33:58,090 --> 01:34:00,130
But definitely, yeah, we'll keep
coming back.

1653
01:34:00,130 --> 01:34:02,970
We'll keep talking, absolutely.
Awesome.

1654
01:34:03,370 --> 01:34:05,410
All right.
Happy 4th of July, everybody.

1655
01:34:27,290 --> 01:34:29,890
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