Episode #76: A Fundamentalist In The United Kingdom W/Fabien

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Well, grab your passports
because the Mormon Renegade

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podcast is going International
on this episode.

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I have on Fabian.
Fabian, is a Mormon

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fundamentalist, who lives in the
UK during our conversation.

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We talked about his conversion
to the LDS church, his

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subsequent noticing of changes,
that leads him to become a

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fundamentalist and finally, the
challenges of being a Mormon

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fundamentalist in the UK.
And that's next on this episode

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of the Mormon Renegade podcast.
Look, it's no secret that our

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society has become much more
crude and course to become and

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raise men and women of virtue
and characters are Herculean

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task to help with this.
I have recently wrote and

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published a book.
Now, back in the 1700s,

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Washington had a book called
Rules of Civility, indecent

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behavior, and Company and
conversation.

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It was a book with 110 Rules
that talked about how to conduct

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yourself like a civilized person
in society.

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Something that today's society
is sorely lacking, When I get

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is, I went back through the book
and I reinterpreted his original

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sayings for the 21st century.
So, the book is laid out in a

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way in which you see,
Washington's original rule right

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below.
That is my explanation for the

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21st century and below that,
you'll find two or three

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examples of where, to use this
in the real world now to go

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along with this, there's a
workbook that helps parents

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teach these principles and
practices to their kids to find

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the book.
Go to Mormon, Renegade.com, go

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to the bottom of the page.
Search out the blog post in

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order your copy today.
I can bear personal testimony

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from personal experience that
this is an invaluable tool to

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help you raise men and women of
virtue and character Fabian.

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How's it going?
It's going okay, it's so nice to

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be on your podcast.
You know, I've been listening to

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it for so long and it's so good
for someone like me was out in

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the wild.
Well, well, I appreciate that

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and end and really I, you know,
I hear that a lot and it's still

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somewhat humbling for me to have
to have two here, right?

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Because I'm the last guy in the
world that should have ever have

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done this.
I've said that many times and

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thing, and, and like, I listen
to My First episodes and I'm

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like, man, those are bad, right?
Look, I was just getting my feet

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under me, but that's very kind
of you to say, but I've kind of

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followed you on Facebook for
years because even before I was

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Doing this podcast.
I tried to kind of keep my my

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thumb, if you will on the pulse
of all things, Mormon, and I'm

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always fascinated, not just with
Mormons in Europe, but Mormons,

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fundamentalist Mormons in
Europe, right?

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I mean, I feel like to use, you
know, a term from the

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environmentalists, your kind of
an endangered species in in

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Europe, just as a Mormon.
And then, as a fundamentalist

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Mormon, I mean, wow.
I mean, that's that's It's got

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to be a tough road to hoe so,
but I see your posts and your

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super strong in your defense of
the Gospel from from all angles.

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And so, as I thought about
talking to fundamentalist

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Mormons overseas, you were
definitely at the top of that

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list, so I appreciate you coming
on.

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Well, thank you, that's very
kind.

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No, thank you very much.
Yeah.

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So real quick, were you born in
the LDS church?

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No, I John the LDS church so
that's kind of like a funny

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thing you know, to become a
Fundy.

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When I tell was not born in the
church, I told had no connection

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with Mormonism.
Actually my family were not

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religious at all.
So it was born friends.

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That's why I've got these funny
accent and I grew up there.

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My favorite not into religion
whatsoever but you know, they

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big it with traditional.
Spike home.

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So, you know, you can send the
kids to the Catholic church and

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the get some education.
You don't want them to be too

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religious but you still want
them to get something because

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that's what people do.
So they sent me there and saying

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is the some reason I always
believed there was something out

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there, I always believed there
was a God and, you know, in

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spirits and other things I was
reading to at so stuff as a kid.

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But, you know, it's funny
because I remember like being 10

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years old and going to the tomb.
Amassed going to the Catholic

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Church down the road all by
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My grandmother would give me
like these coin.

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It was like ten francs for
donation collection.

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I don't know where they call
that, but right now and now we

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go by myself and I was seen on a
few all by myself and just go

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through it and I was really into
it.

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And then I was asked questions,
you know, I would I've always

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been a truth seeker and I think
that's why I've become what I've

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become.
But I would ask the priest

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questions, you know, like when
not doing Mass, but on Wednesday

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afternoon, kids don't have
school back home on a Wednesday

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afternoon and you send the kids
to church to get this religious

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education and the priest would
read these stories and tell

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stories.
And then I would go to him and

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ask And, you know, I would ask
about Adam and Eve I would ask

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about this and not and I don't
know, even at 10 years old, I

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knew he didn't have the answer
and I knew I was so unsatisfied

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by what I was hearing.
So, it was a big disappointment

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and I stopped going to church.
So I was probably like 10 11 at

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the time.
And and then I just believed in

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God, basically and I said,
reading the Bible and I prayed.

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And I, how did I do?
I'm not sure.

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I'm not sure this happened
because of my background.

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I'm not sure I'd be conservative
just but I was and I, there was

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a Princeton girl in my school.
Cool.

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And I remember speaking to and a
father was a minister so I push

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because I was kind of you know
reading the Bible and turning my

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back like a new carefully season
was not for me was not the

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answer but everything was so
spiritualized they didn't

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believe in anything.
They didn't believe in me.

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I can't remember what
denomination they were, but they

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didn't believe in in any of his
stories in the Bible.

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They don't believe there was a
devil.

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We didn't believe in in the
miracles of Jesus.

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I mean, It was just a story.
That's why they would tell me,

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it's just stories and that
didn't sit well with me either.

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Yeah, I can imagine.
And what what what do you think

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it was that even as a Young Man
Drew you to that, right?

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Because look, I'll be honest.
When I was a young man.

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I went through my search for
God, but mine was kind of

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precipitated by the death of my
father, right?

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I got to know what happened to
him.

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And the answer I got from the
Evangelical Pastor was, you

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know, unless he, he said the
right words, right before he

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died, he's lost.
So that's sent me down my road.

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Well, yeah, but was there any
event for you that that sent you

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down that road?
No, no really.

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No.
I think I was always kind of

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like there.
I was always kind of like that.

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It only kind I had I had friends
but I did like my alone time I

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did.
Like I was very, I don't know

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his wandered about why am I
here?

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Why am I going What's the
purpose of life from the very

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young age?
It was nothing specific.

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I just, I just believed, and I
remember with my family was

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surprised.
I remember my grandfather would

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say we're going to make a
priesthood of it and my mother

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was horrified and you know it's
just it's I can't, I don't know,

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I'm not sure.
But this was like, you know, I

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had these questions and I knew I
wanted to religion and there was

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no where to find it.
Now at the time, I'm when I was

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in high school, then there were
a lot of Muslim people at my

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school because that's kind of
like, you know, lots of people

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from North Africa, where in my
hometown and I would go to

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school with with them.
And I have to say that I was

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very inspired.
Now, I was before, Islam became

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all red equalized and you were
able to have conversations

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people were very and we're still
a lot of people like I'm still

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friends with people with these
people and when I go back home

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we can catch up.
Up.

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How is very their approach to
religion was strong.

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They it was not just stories for
them.

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That believe in in the crime
they believed in in the prophet

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Muhammad they believed in in
their God and they prayed to God

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and we fasted and they were very
committed and the God was a

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powerful God, which was very I
was always, and I was very drawn

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to the Old Testament more so in
the New Testament and I still

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am.
So, I think there was something

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there.
Anyway, Judaism inspired me to

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of, I didn't know any Jews at
the time and then, so I was

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doing my own thing and I would
fast and I would pray and I

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would read the Bible, that, that
would be, that was my spiritual

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life and have had very, I think
a very strong courageous.

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I've actually because It was not
just something I would do every

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Monday and I would pray every
day I would read the Bible every

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day.
I would II, subscribe to a

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course I was doing high school
at the time and we didn't have

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any internet.
I mean this was back in.

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In the early 90s, right?
So and I remember like sending

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days at went to Switzerland
because lots of price terms are

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and I know it was a course, but
the Bible, I don't know where I

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found it but you know, when I
would answer questions and she'd

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I would send it by mail on in
the post.

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You know, by email and then they
would send me back to

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Corrections and a new lesson
that was it, that was kind of

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what I was going.
And and then back in sort of

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then summer of 95.
I met the missionaries by chance

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by then.
I'm in Universe, I'm in college

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and I'm studying languages.
So they invite me to court,

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anglais English class.
I'm like this is perfect, man.

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This is free to region.
Free practice with native

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speakers this perfect.
So I go and, you know, and then

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I mean treat about the religion
but I don't want to ask them

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because I don't Trinity.
I don't want to be brainwashed.

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You know, Mormons don't have a
good reputation.

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In Europe.
So I took myself to the local

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library and check to be had
books by the moment and they are

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three.
And I bought the three books and

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I read them, and I was very
drawn to it.

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It seemed like everything
everything, I believed it was in

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there because it was a
nontrinitarian religion, and I

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didn't believe in a trinity.
I think that was my Muslim

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friends influence, Maybe.
Of the Old Testament interest

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had.
The fact that God was embodied

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was a bit weird for me, but I've
been into Greek myths going up,

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you know, like a really great me
follow G and all that.

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So I want to, you know, like I
could maybe I don't know.

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And get my mind around that one
polygamy was not an issue

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because we the only thing I knew
about Mormons was they are

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polygamist.
I don't know.

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That's kind of what everybody
thinks, they know their culture

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and I'm Okay, with that.
There was not a problem.

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The priest would ban was an
issue.

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I remember you know, I didn't
sit well with me.

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So basically this books we're
not fit permitting books.

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They were pretty cold box and
and they delved into, you know,

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like some deep Doctrine as well.
I think even one of them

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touched, but Adam being God.
And, you know, and I was like,

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okay, so was very positive, was
very drawn to it, because it

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seemed like everything I
believed in It was contained in

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more minutes Mommy some had or
all of that.

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So was fascinating and I'm like,
my gosh, this is it, this could

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be it, I don't know.
And then all the other stuff I'm

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like, oh this is weird.
This is so contrary to anything.

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I believed in so far especially
the embodied God and all that

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sort of stuff, you know.
So I didn't know.

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I remember praying that night I
prayed to God and I understand

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something, like I've got too
many choices now, I'm a Fool

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because I had these religions a
new to which one to choose.

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And now there's one more, this
one more to choose from and I'm

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lost.
I need to show me.

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You need to show me the way cuz
I'm lost.

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I don't know what to do, and
nothing happened.

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But the next day, I was in the
countryside with friends, we

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were going, we're staying at
their in there.

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You would call that a cabin in

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that.
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So that was like in there in the
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was a few of us going there.
And we're done for this walk who

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walked in the woods.
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about what I had right now.
It's time to think but my prayer

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and, and David, this thing came
to me, this testimony, but

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always makes me a bit emotional
when I talk about it because it

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was the most powerful thing.
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This Grace.
I called it at the time.

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This Inner Light is stowed like
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to ruling every part of my body
until I feel like I was

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floating, you know, and I was
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Maybe that's why I turned to
religion, you know, I was kind

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of like, I don't know how, you
know, I was not, I was shy, you

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know, but I have a feeling on
top of the world, the reward.

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I looked around to woods and
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I felt.
So I related, I felt like I was

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floating my feet were not
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absolutely amazing.
And I knew, and I knew.

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And I remember walking up to a
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And I said, Rebecca, I have
found my religion and I was it

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And so, after the weekend, go
back home and all, I can think

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of all the weekends, like, I
need to call the missionaries.

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I need to call them, and I need
to take these lessons, but I

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already knew, I mean, what's the
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I already knew.
But yeah, and it was, I don't

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know.
It was just absolutely amazing

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this testimonial received and
it's sustained me or all through

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the years.
Because being in Europe is not,

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it's not easy to be a moment
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isolated hmm.
Now, being a fun day as well,

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like you like, but that This is
kind of what, you know what my

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feet in touch with ground, but
that's kind of what grounds me

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and what's one, or all these
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I mean, it was back in 95.
That's where you where you join

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the church to then was like,
almost 30 years ago, gosh, we

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all would, you know?
I know, I know I was only 19, I

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was only 19 at the time and had
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month later.
I got baptized in a river in

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France.
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missionaries didn't think I was
See, I knew and I think it was,

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I was a Mormon before before the
new it, but I asked so many

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questions because I wanted to be
very serious about it and so ask

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me questions and I thought well
maybe he's doubting you know, he

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told me, he said, well you're
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I just I just want to know how
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So they would do so much
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I mean bracelet and one of them
still friends with, I'm still

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friends with my missionaries and
it is, it's every now and then

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comes to London.
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It's, you know, it's got this
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Amelie, these kids are all grown
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and like gosh, how did that
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So it's, you know, like they
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But are you sure that's what you
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No.
I know, but I've got many

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questions.
I've always had if I'm going to

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come into it.
I need to be one person.

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Sure.
I need to do it properly.

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I don't want to make a mockery
out of a lot of things, and

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then.
So I was baptized a month and a

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half later.
That's that's yeah, that's how

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it happened.
So it's Church.

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What was your experience like in
the LDS church?

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You know, it was good.
It was good.

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I think, you know, they were my
second family in a way.

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My first family had didn't have
my dad can do like right away

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when I was seven for another
woman, didn't have a

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relationship with my dad.
My mom was not ready.

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Communicative, so I was on my
own and you know, like you said

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what, maybe because I I didn't
have a strong family from date,

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I didn't have anything grounding
and I think that's why I turned

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to region, maybe, you know, to
find some answers, some

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structure.
I didn't have in my life and I

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wanted to have, you know, you
can explain in so many different

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ways of experiencing.
The church was good, I was very

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active in the church and I had
different callings and, you

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know, we're a small Ward.
I mean, it's very different for,

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if you're in Utah, when I was at
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But you know, when you were
small we're a small branch and

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then we can award and we got our
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I remember like they built the
church meeting house was amazing

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to have it before that we met
in, we gathered in in someone's

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apartment, while she was an
apartment of the church rented,

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but it was an apartment and we
were real community, and a very

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interesting discussions and
actually, because we're from a

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small high Don't know, I think
the church was so different back

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in 95.
Still, I mean, people would talk

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openly about eternal progression
about Mary Magdalene being the

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wife of Jesus.
That was things that were talked

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about in prison.
Treating Sunday, school, do I

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remember that?
I remember those days because

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when I joined the church, my mom
went and talked to her faith

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leader and he's like, well have
him read some of these and they

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were just excerpts from the
Journal of discourses and so I

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did freak out my missionaries
and I freaked out who would be

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my bishop and then eventually my
stake president.

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And then finally, says, you got
to go talk to our state

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patriarch.
Who is an old guy who had he had

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lived a pretty substantial life
and his grandfather was a

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polygamist, right?
And so, he was willing to break

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down all this stuff for me, but
I do remember having

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conversations about plural
marriage, right?

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It wasn't such a, I mean,
definitely, you could, you would

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see people start to squirm a
little bit.

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Bit when you brought it up but
they would be they'd be willing

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to talk about it.
And what I saw through the

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years, is this distancing.
This, this, this this

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willingness to call either
either say Joseph didn't do it

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or Brigham, get it.
But Brigham was wrong and and

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there's, there's definitely been
a shift in thinking on that so I

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can totally identify with you on
that.

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Yeah, it's true.
You know, it's very interesting

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because now I care because I
don't go to the NDS.

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You know, when I hear things,
when people tell me stuff, when

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I read stuff and like my gosh,
she's changed beyond

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recognition.
It's I mean these people are

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saying just never practiced
polygamy by calling my home

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world.
Everybody said that they were

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not embarrassed by it, they said
we're not practicing it now.

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It would be reinstated during
the Millennium and in you know,

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in the next world but it was a
thing.

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It was not, I don't know, I so
it was different.

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It was do, but it just gave me
everything I needed.

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And I felt this period so
strong, I loved going to

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meetings.
I was so involved with a church.

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I do a lot of work with
missionaries as well, and I know

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that a lot of people were
because of language, sometimes

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was easier because of a culture.
Sure death easier for me to

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communicate with people because,
you know, like it's not just

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speaking.
It's, you know, you speak to

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people.
It's you need to speak their own

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language, but in all kinds of
ways, not just through words.

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So I think it was very useful to
them in that.

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That respect and I absolutely
love being being a member of a

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church until until you didn't
work anymore and what was it

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that caused it not to work
anymore.

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Fabian, at what point did you
start to think?

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Oh, something's not right here.
Some well, like three years down

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the road I just fought the way
things were being dog.

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I think it'll like spirituality.
It seemed to be more.

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I can't even like when I worked.
With missionaries.

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They talked about quotas and
everything and I just thought

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well you that's not how it
works.

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You know, you need to, you want
to come the people, you want to

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come to the hard like that.
You need to touch my heart.

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We need to have a real
conversion.

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Early need to have your own
testimony.

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They said well, the only need,
you know, we need to pick them

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up by car, you know, I don't
need to bring them to church,

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they need to, you know, where
you like to force people in a

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way to, to be there.
Sure join the and it was so, My

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own experience.
You know I would just walk to

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church and there's no bus in his
Sunday so work like 15 minutes

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in the sun because there was in
the summer just to go to

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meetings because I wanted to and
I thought well I don't there are

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different things that were
happening in my life on a

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personal level.
I was saying to Not To Doubt the

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doctrine actually not to dot
doc.

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I never did that but just to
doubt the the organization.

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Yeah, the people in need they
were fiber men.

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And, you know, when you read the
As I read in the scriptures in

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the apostles Jesus chose.
When a perfect man, I mean, he

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you know, he told them off quite
a few times, you know, certain

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women would approach him and
they seem to know him better.

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Yeah and understanding better
than the apostles did.

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So it's not like I was rejecting
the leaders of the church.

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I was Morgan like questioning
their wisdom, with certain

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things but the gospel I never,
you know, I always felt strong

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and you know, and like I said
like in that Ward I think some

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people were a bit, you know,
because it fun days.

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I think I don't know what I can.
I don't know if it was Sunday

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school or something but soon,
produced this court.

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From Brigham Young And as it was
from the Journal of discourses.

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Now, I know it now, but it was
about Adam, a taken, one of his

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wives and come to this world.
And I'm like, whoa, never heard

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this, but you know what?
This is good stuff.

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I love this but yeah, so And
then I moved to the UK.

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And, you know, let's just say
that it was like my relationship

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with a church broke down and
It's like, you know, you were

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good for each other for a time
for five years, because I was a

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member, you know, for five
years, were good for each other

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for five years, and then we're
not so good for each other

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anymore.
It was better to go separate

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ways.
Gotcha, the I can.

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Yeah, I remember the first time
I didn't realize it at the time.

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What?
It was, I thought it was me,

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right?
I thought there was something I

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wasn't understanding something,
and I still wasn't, but But it

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became clear.
And, and the first time, I

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remember thinking, okay,
something doesn't feel right.

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Was I went to the temple, and,
of course, I have my hair blown

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back, right?
Because that's just an

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experience in itself and I
enjoyed it, but it felt

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disjointed, right?
It didn't feel like it flowed

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like it should have, right?
The, the presentation and the

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knowledge that was passed along.
And so I just kept going back,

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like I was a weekly Temple
attender.

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Let's let's just go back.
Let's figure this out.

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What, what am I missing?
Because I kept saying it's got

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to be me.
I gotta be missing something and

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then eventually Through the
course of events.

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When I start doing serious
research on like, oh, it's been

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changed, right?
And when I figure out, it's been

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changed.
And it doesn't flow and then I

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figure out what the reasons why
that's when I started to really.

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Yeah.
Right.

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But, but my story's weird and a
little different.

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I mean, you're talking to a guy
who is a practicing polygamist

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who still went to, the LDS
church on the DL and they'll get

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going everyone.
Everyone's experience, dear

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friends, everyone circumstances
are different but I think.

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Yeah, for me it was just a
progression.

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I was, you know, making some
personal choices at the time and

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everything.
And I moved to a different

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country, it was just big changes
in my life at the time.

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And I cannot went back to what I
knew before was a member of for

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a while which meant reading the
scriptures praying fasting.

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You know, I kind of went back to
that and I remember, you know,

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making Christian friends, having
discussions with them and

444
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,800
realizing that I tune my beliefs
were not Christian, there were

445
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,600
very Mormon.
I know wasn't and there was no

446
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,700
way.
Found it and it's time to read,

447
00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:42,300
you know, I'd taken books.
So you know, it shows you how

448
00:25:42,300 --> 00:25:44,900
tough on my relationship with a
church had broken.

449
00:25:44,900 --> 00:25:49,300
Down II taken books from home.
You know, I carry them in my, I

450
00:25:49,300 --> 00:25:51,800
didn't, I didn't take much, you
know, friends when I moved to

451
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:56,300
the to the UK, but I took
someone books, things like the

452
00:25:56,300 --> 00:25:58,700
Talmadge books.
You know, and I started reading

453
00:25:58,700 --> 00:26:01,100
them again and everything are
they met at work and people were

454
00:26:01,100 --> 00:26:03,100
like, what are you reading?
Weird stuff.

455
00:26:03,100 --> 00:26:05,200
Okay, you know, I didn't make
many friends, I guess, you know,

456
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:11,000
it then, but I was reading that
That and then one thing leading

457
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,200
to another arresting.
I ordered a book by, you know,

458
00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:18,600
the the Tanners Gerald and
sanatana abuse people.

459
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,400
I mean I love these people, you
know, I'm because they interest

460
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,900
me to the fullness of the
Gospel, right?

461
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,800
Who many things that where he
didn't, you couldn't find

462
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,200
anywhere, it was just the
internet was just, you know,

463
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:37,600
really come to life at the time.
But in there were so many things

464
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,700
that Now would said, well, I
discard this but at the time I

465
00:26:40,708 --> 00:26:45,300
was just take it off, you know,
anything, obvious stuff, it with

466
00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:49,000
saying against Joyce Smith or
Brigham Young, and then, you

467
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,900
know, blood atonement and all
and and many crazy things I'm

468
00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:56,800
like, I'm reading it all I'm
taking and I don't know, I just

469
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,800
felt like I was really
scrubbing, my religion.

470
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:10,000
And at the same time, you know,
I think I was starting my

471
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:16,700
conversion to I was coming.
It was the I stayed, you know, I

472
00:27:16,700 --> 00:27:19,300
was on the path to become a
fundamentalist.

473
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,500
I didn't know it yet but that's
kind of what he did.

474
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,800
And you know, why many of these
quotations and everything from

475
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,500
vagina.
These courses and other things,

476
00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:29,900
draw nose, and instead of
putting me off more Minis and

477
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,800
they kind of made me want to
become an investigator again.

478
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:36,400
I see you.
I didn't want to be a member of

479
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,900
the LDS church anymore things
that stay to change very again

480
00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:45,000
and I just I thought what's
going on there, you know, and I

481
00:27:45,008 --> 00:27:51,900
was a time where Big Love came
out to I and II I love that show

482
00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:54,400
because you know, it made me
miss Utah.

483
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,400
And my friends were and and
everything and it also gave me

484
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,900
the idea that actually, you can
be Mormon outside, the LDS

485
00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:06,500
church or outside the Ization,
which I didn't know at the time,

486
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,400
right?
Save moments.

487
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,800
That's the earliest church.
If you're not in the earliest

488
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,600
Church, you can't be a Mormon,
right?

489
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,100
And that's why I thought while I
was not a woman anymore, I

490
00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:18,400
guess.
And but I still was and then I

491
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,500
watch.
Oh, and one episode, you know,

492
00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:23,200
like a one of the characters get
baptized and I started crying

493
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,800
and I cried and cried and like,
whoa, what's going on here?

494
00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:32,800
But I just knew I missed it.
And I just knew I had to The

495
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,000
find my way and find a way to be
there.

496
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,000
Going to be a moment again to be
baptized again.

497
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,000
So that's a huge Endeavor.
Yeah, that's a huge step, right?

498
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,400
I mean yeah, acting it at the
time, you know?

499
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,900
But he just and then I
participated in some forums you

500
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:53,000
know, you had the Yahoo for
arms.

501
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,200
And anyway, a lot of them still
friends with to his day were

502
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,900
contributing to that and so I
say talking it was but I

503
00:29:00,908 --> 00:29:03,700
wouldn't say I didn't imagine
think that's where it was going

504
00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:05,500
to lead to.
I thought I'm interested in it.

505
00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:11,800
I find fascinating I ordered to
bring his book understanding The

506
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,300
atom got doc Trio teachings
riotously.

507
00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:18,400
Yeah that and I over the courts
and the E put together it was

508
00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:22,200
fantastic.
And I again I was just while

509
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,600
this is this is it.
I love it, I love it.

510
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,100
I just and so I was doing David
on my, you know, my days off, I

511
00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:30,600
would just be reading, Mormon
Doctrine, and all these books

512
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,200
and everything and I felt like
this fire inside me.

513
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,000
But it was known to our went to
Utah again in 2009.

514
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:44,100
And by chance I just came across
a gathering of flds people and

515
00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:49,600
other fundamentalist in downtown
Salt Lake City and I was taught

516
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,700
by accident.
Actually, I was not meant to be

517
00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:54,700
there, but, you know, things
have and I just cause there and

518
00:29:54,700 --> 00:29:59,500
say talking to people spoke to
an wild, you know, like a coding

519
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,900
against wife and other people
were involved.

520
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,500
Different groups and
Independence and got some

521
00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:09,500
contacts.
And we met again for dinner.

522
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,900
But I remember like the
Gathering of of this

523
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,900
fundamental, he's there.
I think I receive another

524
00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:16,800
testimony.
There.

525
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,700
I, there was a speech and I can
tell you what the speech was

526
00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:22,600
about, have no idea.
Can't have no recollection

527
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,800
whatsoever, but only standing
there looking around me and

528
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,200
looking at the trees, I don't
know if this is this Gordon

529
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:37,000
light almost like, and I felt
again, So, so light, so alive.

530
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,600
So, Serene and I'm like, whoa,
what's going on?

531
00:30:43,300 --> 00:30:46,400
But I knew it was going on and I
knew and then I made them for

532
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,000
dinner of it and Walden other
people.

533
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,000
They were Independence and so we
can get you baptized.

534
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,400
If you like and and I remember
writing that attraction like the

535
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,100
streetcar, what we call it
right?

536
00:30:57,100 --> 00:30:59,000
Yeah.
Tracks by downtown because we

537
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,700
met in Sandy and then I was
staying in downtown Salt Lake

538
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,400
and my Gosh, I just felt this
period so strong on thy right

539
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,900
back and they gave me some
material, you know, some Odin

540
00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:12,500
crowds books and the
revelations, you know, the

541
00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:15,300
dhanteras Revelation all that
stuff.

542
00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:18,500
And I read that, you know, I got
back to my to my hotel room.

543
00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:23,200
I I read all that, and I'm like,
well, man, this is it.

544
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,100
And I remember going the next
day, I went to actually known.

545
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:30,600
I was day before.
After that Gathering.

546
00:31:30,900 --> 00:31:34,100
I went to Desert book and I
bought myself a new triptych In

547
00:31:34,108 --> 00:31:38,500
Taiwan in, in in English, you
know, like a I just said, my

548
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:40,800
French book of Mormon and I
mean, like, triptych and

549
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,800
function and the Bible, they
don't do the combo.

550
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,900
The Glad ya come to the quite.
So I got, I got myself a quad

551
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,700
and I think, I don't know.
I think it's just because I knew

552
00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:54,800
that this was it, but it scared
me.

553
00:31:54,900 --> 00:31:58,100
I remember sitting at, in Temple
Square and I thought how I'm

554
00:31:58,100 --> 00:32:00,200
going to make this work.
Sure.

555
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,700
Because one thing to know that I
had a testimony and That was it,

556
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,700
and that's what I believed.
And it was not just an

557
00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:08,600
interesting anymore, it was my
faith.

558
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,700
And I had a testimony, but I'm
like my gosh.

559
00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:14,300
I'm going to make it work.
I'm all alone in the UK.

560
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,500
I'm not even married.
I don't even have one wife.

561
00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:18,600
I mean, why about the think of
polygamy?

562
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,300
And it's not going to get any
better, you know, if I become a

563
00:32:23,308 --> 00:32:27,800
fondi because I'd be this Weirdo
And I'm like gosh, how am I

564
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,500
going to handle that?
It was scary.

565
00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:33,900
I was scared, I was scared but I
couldn't ignore.

566
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,700
Or what I had received and I had
to how to proceed, but you know,

567
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:45,100
it has been a few bumps on the
road, but I think it took me

568
00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:49,400
four years to get back to the
southwest.

569
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,600
And I got, I find my, I got we
baptized and we ordained to the

570
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,500
priesthood in a group of
Independence in Arizona.

571
00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:03,500
And and I've been a fun day
since Ed and I'm still strong in

572
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:05,800
the faith and I'm still
learning.

573
00:33:05,900 --> 00:33:09,400
And you put cast has really been
a godsend because you know, for

574
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,700
someone like me who's in Europe
with no Community with no

575
00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:19,100
people, I can hang out with, you
know, having a podcast, like

576
00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:21,700
these voices.
You guys are with me on my way

577
00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:24,600
to work.
I inside going to meeting before

578
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,800
starting work and that's
absolutely amazing.

579
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,400
It's a best way to start the
day.

580
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,000
So I can't thank you enough for
putting this cast out there.

581
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,900
Honestly, this is, you know,
really, really good for me.

582
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,200
So yeah.
So I've been, you know, I've

583
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,900
been a fundamental is for the
last 11 years, now I want to go

584
00:33:41,900 --> 00:33:44,800
back to something.
You said, where you were sitting

585
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,500
in Tim, and I'm sorry, I got
some sort of bug or something,

586
00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:52,600
and my voice is cracking a
little bit, but when you were

587
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,100
When you were sitting on Temple
Square and you said you're

588
00:33:57,100 --> 00:33:59,900
scared, right?
Because now now you've got to

589
00:33:59,900 --> 00:34:03,000
set out on this new journey.
I mean, like I said before, you

590
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,900
were already an endangered
species in Europe.

591
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,500
Right now you're about to get
put through another filter where

592
00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:13,300
they're here, even less than
Eric in a minority, a minority.

593
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,800
I'm exactly, exactly.
So, so you're making this.

594
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,900
You understand that, that this
road in front of me isn't

595
00:34:20,900 --> 00:34:24,600
necessarily Smooth by any
stretch of Imagination.

596
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,500
This is pretty pretty rough road
to travel.

597
00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:34,500
What was it that gave you the
First, the desire to want to go

598
00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:38,300
down that road and then to the
tenacity, you stay on it, right?

599
00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:41,199
Because it's one thing to say,
yeah, this is what I'm going to

600
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:43,400
have to do.
It's another thing to have to go

601
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,500
through the Daily Grind of doing
it, right?

602
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:50,600
So what was it that that
propelled you down that road,

603
00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:54,100
you know, like the testimonies I
received, you know, every time I

604
00:34:54,100 --> 00:34:57,500
went down on my knees and
prayed, I felt the spirit and

605
00:34:57,500 --> 00:35:00,000
the spirit was telling me this
is here, this is your path.

606
00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:05,200
And, and you have to follow and
I love my God and I love my

607
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,500
religion and I cannot turn my
back on that.

608
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,900
But I knew it was like from a
logical point of it made.

609
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:16,100
No sense.
It made no sense.

610
00:35:16,100 --> 00:35:19,600
Because I was, I was going back
to Europe and I leave here.

611
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,300
I still don't 10 years. 11 years
later, I still don't know any of

612
00:35:23,300 --> 00:35:26,100
it from interest in the UK or in
Europe.

613
00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:29,700
Sometimes people do contact me,
ask a few questions and they

614
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:31,900
disappear.
They say they want to Two people

615
00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:35,300
saying they wanted to be
baptized and then the, my car

616
00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:39,500
for of it just disappeared Into
Thin Air like the, you know,

617
00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:42,100
Facebook is blocked, or blocked
me or, I don't know.

618
00:35:42,700 --> 00:35:47,300
So it's very long erode and I
knew it would be very tricky.

619
00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:50,500
It wouldn't make, it didn't make
any sense from a logical point

620
00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:53,600
of view in a way.
But the, I knew that that's what

621
00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:57,200
God was telling me to do it.
I was my path and I still

622
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,200
haven't worked out quite a few
things, but but I still need to

623
00:36:01,300 --> 00:36:03,000
Keep going, I need to keep
going.

624
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,700
But you know, at the same time I
was there and I was scared.

625
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,200
But I mean, when you feel this
period when you know, a God is

626
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,400
with you, it's like well, I'd go
along, it's going to work out

627
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,400
somehow.
We need to have faith of course.

628
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,500
And and, you know, just my read
the scriptures when I pray,

629
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:24,600
when, you know, I just, I just
it's fine.

630
00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:27,500
I'm all alone here but it's okay
because I'm not alone.

631
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,600
I've got this Spirit.
I've got the knowledge.

632
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,000
I've got the truth.
And that to me is invaluable, I

633
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,500
wouldn't want to trade that for
anything in the world and that's

634
00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:38,300
what keeps me going.
That's what keeps me going and

635
00:36:38,300 --> 00:36:41,200
that's why I feel like I'm so
strong in the faith.

636
00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:43,500
I'm not perfect.
I mean, you know, I messed up

637
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:47,400
quite a few times see between,
you know, it's insane.

638
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,800
But you know, I always find my
way back and I if anything I

639
00:36:53,808 --> 00:36:57,200
think more convinced to Dave and
I have been I ever was but

640
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,900
Mormonism is true.
But truth is Mormonism.

641
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,100
Whatever you how you were you
want to play, but, you know, so

642
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:06,300
yeah.
So it was no doubt, but yeah, it

643
00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:07,700
was scary.
And there are times when you're

644
00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:11,200
like he got these doubts and
thinking, I don't know if I can

645
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:16,300
do this, but he could going.
That's what we're here for.

646
00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:20,000
Yeah, yeah.
So let me ask you this, what?

647
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:26,800
In your sphere of existence out
there.

648
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,200
And in Europe, what are people's
reactions like when you tell

649
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,300
them, you're a Mormon
fundamentalist?

650
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,900
I mean, what do they tend to do?
I mean, I know, I know here in

651
00:37:37,900 --> 00:37:40,500
the states, right?
Like I tell someone, I'm a

652
00:37:40,508 --> 00:37:44,200
Mormon fundamentalist and they
say, do your wives.

653
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,400
We're where those weird dresses
and I'm like only on Tuesdays,

654
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:49,800
right?
So I have fun with it.

655
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,400
But, I mean, do I?
Yeah, you do have some good

656
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,700
comebacks.
Yeah, I heard them.

657
00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:58,200
But I mean what what what were
the reactions you get?

658
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,600
Well, you can guess another very
good and I think, you know, I'm

659
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,100
proud of my religion and I can
talk about it forever.

660
00:38:05,100 --> 00:38:07,400
You know, if people are going to
stop the topic, I can go on and

661
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,000
on and on and on, but I'm not
going to volunteer information

662
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,800
because I some people ask I
would say well you know I mean

663
00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:17,400
what do you think?
You know or we say are you a

664
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,500
Christian?
He said I said well what's the

665
00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:21,700
definition of Christian?
To you.

666
00:38:21,707 --> 00:38:25,800
And then, you know, then you can
work from there but you know

667
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:29,200
people.
Yeah, I remember like her, I was

668
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,400
this guy at work with sent me.
This is what's up last summer

669
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,200
and I knew why.
But he says, oh are you are you

670
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,700
with the flds?
Is that your group?

671
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,600
And I'm like, dude, you've been
watching this?

672
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,400
Keeps we do.
What is it called?

673
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,300
Like no obey or?
Yep.

674
00:38:48,300 --> 00:38:50,100
Keep sweeping obey, or
something?

675
00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:53,500
Hey, I'm not, You say, yeah.
I'm like, yeah, I knew a story

676
00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:55,300
where I can say, no, this is not
me.

677
00:38:55,300 --> 00:38:59,400
I'm a, I'm an independent.
I'm not part of his group were

678
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,900
very good people in this
government, some wonderful flds

679
00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:06,500
members, but no, this is not,
and I don't know if that program

680
00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:08,100
is reflection of reality, I
don't know.

681
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:10,900
I'm sure some things have been
distorted as well, but this is

682
00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:12,800
not my goal.
But people, yeah, that because

683
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,600
that's what they see in the
media, in the movies in

684
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:21,100
documentaries, or, you know,
so-called documentaries and In

685
00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:24,700
in the, in the practice, it's
always a more centralized stuff.

686
00:39:24,700 --> 00:39:28,800
It's always most extreme stuff.
So people think that I like, but

687
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,600
you're not like that.
You don't dress like that you

688
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,200
know you know you your normal
guy.

689
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,900
I'm like, yeah.
Because we all know more people

690
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:47,100
I remember like a they met this
girl you and we went to dinner

691
00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:54,300
together and she She said, well,
I was told not to not to meet

692
00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:56,600
you tonight.
I said, well, who said that?

693
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,500
She said, well, my best friend
said I shouldn't go.

694
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,900
I said well, why not?
Well, because you are moment and

695
00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:04,500
she said, if I go, you know,
maybe you can enjoy put some

696
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:07,200
drug in my drink and Drug me.
I'm going to work up in some

697
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,800
Farmers compound.
Wife number 7 has enough, you're

698
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,600
safe, you're safe, don't worry.
It's all good.

699
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,300
So you get like these cities.
I mean what?

700
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:21,900
So tell me make me laugh because
it's so So it's so silly.

701
00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:24,300
It's so stupid.
You're like, come on I mean

702
00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:26,800
really?
Yeah, I mean yeah you should

703
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,600
know me better now.
I mean the internet is out

704
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,000
there.
You got a lots of information

705
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,600
you can get information if you
want to the people people.

706
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,500
Yeah.
People are scared or, and

707
00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:39,500
because, you know, because also
because it's a minority

708
00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:43,600
religion, like I had some human
Catholic tell me, well, this is

709
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:44,900
weird.
You behave, like, you know, an

710
00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:47,700
angel gives, some good plates to
a man in America.

711
00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:50,500
And you believe that, you know,
this and I said, but you believe

712
00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:53,700
in angels, Kim to his young girl
and said she was going to be

713
00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:58,100
pregnant with, right, which
actually God was himself.

714
00:40:58,100 --> 00:41:00,900
In committing himself in her
because you believe in the it's

715
00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:02,800
just one person, but there's no
person.

716
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,400
And so why isn't more crazy just
because your religion is more,

717
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:10,200
you know what, sprayed, it's
everywhere.

718
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,100
You know, you know many
Catholics and it's fine.

719
00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:15,900
And but no I mean as soon as
you're going to start dealing

720
00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:18,900
with, you know, with religion
here with the topic of region,

721
00:41:18,900 --> 00:41:20,700
it's going to be some strange
things things.

722
00:41:20,900 --> 00:41:23,500
It appeared to be strange but,
you know, it's like an angel

723
00:41:23,500 --> 00:41:26,500
getting played to Joseph.
Joseph is weird.

724
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:29,300
It can't have happened but you
know an angel seem to a girl.

725
00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:32,600
Yay, you're gonna get pregnant
with the Son of God.

726
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,700
You know, that's okay.
That's fine.

727
00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:40,800
Yeah, it's different so sorry.
No, go ahead not.

728
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,100
So very actions can be, can be,
I don't know common cold and

729
00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:47,700
everything but, yeah, I got some
people just refuse to to be

730
00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:51,800
friends or we were friends in
order to find the Find out by my

731
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,300
region to say dude, we can't be
friends anymore.

732
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,100
I said, well, I've never tried
to convert you.

733
00:41:58,300 --> 00:42:00,700
This is not what I'm trying to
do.

734
00:42:00,700 --> 00:42:03,400
We just we just friends and
everything and I don't think I

735
00:42:03,408 --> 00:42:07,000
ever, you know.
So it's funny because, you know,

736
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,900
if you say right there are, why
are you telling me there is?

737
00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:12,100
But if you don't say it, you
know, when you meet people, if

738
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:14,400
your time is, I think, what did
you hide this information?

739
00:42:14,700 --> 00:42:16,100
While?
Because the topic we didn't talk

740
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:20,300
about a religion.
So yeah, I can be can be a bit

741
00:42:20,300 --> 00:42:23,100
weird but But yeah people have
they just think we're like we

742
00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:27,200
flds basically, shh gotcha,
you're a better man than me

743
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,500
because they had I been on a
date with that girl and she just

744
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:32,900
said, you're going to drug me.
I was like, no, not on the first

745
00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:34,800
day.
We do that after the second.

746
00:42:35,100 --> 00:42:38,700
So I have any of an eye on, you
got a better sense of humor.

747
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:44,200
That's why but, you know, you
can't get enough of the Mormon

748
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,500
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Well, good news.

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00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:48,900
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It's always fascinating because

765
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,800
you do get it here a little bit
to, right?

766
00:43:35,900 --> 00:43:38,000
Not to the degree that I think
you're going to get it in

767
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,400
Europe, because to a certain
extent, especially living in the

768
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,800
Intermountain, west of the
United States.

769
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,600
People have been desensitized to
it a little bit, right?

770
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,700
You've had shows like Sister
Wives.

771
00:43:50,900 --> 00:43:55,100
Lives and and you know my five
wives and and various reality

772
00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:59,500
shows on plural marriage which I
think has got done some stuff to

773
00:44:01,900 --> 00:44:05,300
to to kind of open that world up
a little bit.

774
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:11,100
Yeah, so but what I'm fascinated
with is that because it does

775
00:44:11,100 --> 00:44:13,600
happen in the states.
Two.

776
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:18,100
Is that you can have an
alternative lifestyle as long as

777
00:44:18,100 --> 00:44:21,300
it's on the left side of the
spectrum, right?

778
00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:23,700
But if you have a lot,
alternative lifestyle, that

779
00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:27,300
maybe comes from quote, the
right side of the spectrum.

780
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,400
You know, you're more
traditional, and gender roles

781
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,600
are those sorts of things will.
Now you now, now you're a bad

782
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:40,100
guy or you're a bad person.
Which is just, it's hilarious in

783
00:44:40,100 --> 00:44:43,200
some ways because the side that
says, well, you should be

784
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,900
non-judgmental, you should be
more open, be kind?

785
00:44:47,100 --> 00:44:50,800
Yeah, really.
Aren't nobody outside their

786
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,300
ideology, that it was vicious
people I've ever encountered,

787
00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:55,700
right?
Right.

788
00:44:56,100 --> 00:44:58,100
So, yeah, you can be pretty
humorous.

789
00:44:58,100 --> 00:45:04,000
You can just, you know, You
know, allowed to say that word

790
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,200
but to screw your way around
town if you like.

791
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,200
And that's again, that's fine.
But God forbid, you know, you

792
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,000
can you want to be committed to
more than one person to more

793
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:18,900
than one wife and be responsible
and and to provide and yeah that

794
00:45:18,900 --> 00:45:22,500
no you can't have that.
This is disgusting, right?

795
00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:23,500
Correct.
Yeah.

796
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:24,900
I do.
I gotta find that kind of

797
00:45:24,908 --> 00:45:29,300
interesting.
So, Let me ask you this because

798
00:45:29,300 --> 00:45:33,400
this, I think this will end up
tying in a little bit to your

799
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:38,400
experience in Europe.
And the UK specifically.

800
00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:43,700
So, there's already a sense of
if you have a quote, alternative

801
00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:45,900
lifestyle that comes from the
right side of the spectrum,

802
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,400
you're going to, you're going to
feel a little bit of heat.

803
00:45:49,900 --> 00:45:52,400
Yeah.
But now you throw into this idea

804
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,800
of.
Well I'm really more for

805
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:59,300
marriage between men and women
or maybe you're not super

806
00:45:59,300 --> 00:46:01,800
excited about the trans
movement.

807
00:46:02,900 --> 00:46:07,800
Do you find that the because you
Bendy cute on you been to the

808
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,400
states as well.
Do you find that maybe the

809
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,500
veracity with which the left
side has in Europe?

810
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:19,000
Is it stronger than what it is
in America?

811
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:26,200
I think it's pretty similar.
I mean, in the UK, in Europe, on

812
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:27,700
the content, it's very
different.

813
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,300
I think they're still kind of
like 10 years behind and that's

814
00:46:30,300 --> 00:46:33,600
good.
You know, I used to hate that to

815
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,100
the time when I lived there,
when I was young, you know, but

816
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,900
but in the UK yeah it's pretty
much we get out all the crap,

817
00:46:39,900 --> 00:46:43,400
sorry, but all the traffic comes
from, you know, from America.

818
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:44,900
I like that.
It's very nice.

819
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:48,200
You know, we get it, you know,
like a few years later.

820
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,100
So it is, it is as bad.
Here.

821
00:46:50,100 --> 00:46:54,500
I mean, you know, we're talking
about renaming colleges removing

822
00:46:54,500 --> 00:46:59,200
statues, you know, the
curriculum in schools and

823
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:05,200
universities being changed.
And I mean we even got like

824
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,500
literature that's being edited.
Now this is very 1984.

825
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,800
You know what down?
The guy would like the Charlie

826
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,000
and the Chocolate Factory and
the only thing that is work is

827
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,700
being printed but is being
edited.

828
00:47:19,900 --> 00:47:23,800
Lot of words have been changed.
For example, there is no hang

829
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,900
on.
I got a list here somewhere, but

830
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,400
a lot of words had been changed.
For example is no description of

831
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,800
people being ugly or fat
because, you know, you don't

832
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:41,400
want to offend people.
So the Oompa Loompa they're not

833
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,800
tiny anymore, which is small
because, you know, it's not it's

834
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,000
not a good thing.
There are other people instead

835
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,400
of seeing the small the small
man.

836
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,600
The novice more people because
they want to be gender-neutral.

837
00:47:52,900 --> 00:47:56,700
So lots of references about
gender, been purged for his work

838
00:47:56,700 --> 00:48:00,800
from his work boys, and girls
has now changed as been changed

839
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,100
to Children.
The crowd cloud main a cloud

840
00:48:04,100 --> 00:48:05,400
people.
So all that stuff.

841
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,500
Oh and another fantastic mr.
Fox.

842
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,800
So in that story, The Three Sons
and three daughters, why?

843
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,200
We don't know.
You know, the officer wanted to

844
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,600
have three sons, another three
daughters the which is there was

845
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,800
a, which worked as a cashier at
the supermarket.

846
00:48:19,900 --> 00:48:24,200
She's a top scientist because
you need you know, you can't hop

847
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,700
on the wicked.
It's, you know, it's so it's so

848
00:48:27,700 --> 00:48:30,600
in the name of inclusion and
like you were saying, all these

849
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,500
people want to be you, no could
be kind crowd.

850
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:37,200
All these people want inclusion
and I it's everything but

851
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,200
inclusion, it's kind of like,
no, it's purging everything.

852
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,200
It's censorship.
We service about sensitivity.

853
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,600
It's nice, its censorship it's
wrong.

854
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,700
Speak its stalinist, it's
incredible.

855
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,900
All that it's actually happening
because all that like, you would

856
00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:55,200
have said even six years, five
years ago, people were saying

857
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,000
this is no, this is dystopian
saying, you know, is he's in

858
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,100
your mind.
This is like, you know, this

859
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,700
you're crazy and now this is
happening, this is happening

860
00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:09,700
everywhere and the trans
movement is very big in.

861
00:49:09,900 --> 00:49:13,800
In the UK, it's been written in
law in some parts of UK that you

862
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,500
cannot.
If you question, it is a

863
00:49:15,508 --> 00:49:20,200
criminal offense, I have read
some stories of You know, we

864
00:49:20,207 --> 00:49:25,200
call it dead naming if someone
Transitions and yes you know,

865
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,700
they're now Caitlyn instead of
Kurt, you can go there.

866
00:49:29,700 --> 00:49:34,100
You can be slapped with a fine
or even jail time for ya, using

867
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:36,700
the originals like a change of
someone or if you're you know,

868
00:49:36,900 --> 00:49:39,100
it's seen as being transphobic
and all that.

869
00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:42,000
And you know, it's very hard to
find your way actually, you

870
00:49:42,008 --> 00:49:48,700
know, when a had met someone and
you back in 98 or 97 in Utah,

871
00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:52,100
there was this girl.
Girl called Mandy and I could

872
00:49:52,100 --> 00:49:54,700
tell I was very naive at the
time, but I could tell she

873
00:49:54,700 --> 00:49:57,200
hadn't been she wasn't born
Mandy, you know, but I always

874
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:01,400
respected her and I used I used
to say she and her and now I

875
00:50:01,408 --> 00:50:03,900
like some people accuse me of
being a transphobic and

876
00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:10,400
everything is like dude you know
come on but it's just gone.

877
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,500
So I don't know, it's like I'm
lost.

878
00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:15,400
I don't understand the
terminology and honest and

879
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,400
everything like what they do for
flying getting changed, you

880
00:50:18,408 --> 00:50:21,000
know, like every every fight
Dance is like new colors.

881
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,700
New shapes on it.
I'm like, I don't know what's

882
00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:26,700
going on, right?
But, you know, it's everywhere.

883
00:50:26,700 --> 00:50:28,600
It's in the corporate world.
It's everywhere.

884
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,200
People can't say anything
because, you know, money is

885
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,000
money and they don't want to
lose their job, that's how they

886
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,300
get people to travel.
And I think that's why a lot of

887
00:50:36,300 --> 00:50:40,100
is, you know, lots of his group
starts of his, you know,

888
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:44,000
minority groups or the hard left
basically.

889
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:48,700
But I've hijacked everything,
you know, I think that's that's

890
00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:53,200
how they The proceed, they just
infiltrate institutions and the

891
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,000
corporate world because they
like well once it's there I'd

892
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,900
say I'm do.
You cannot say anything against

893
00:50:59,900 --> 00:51:02,400
us because you know, will make
sure you lose your job if you

894
00:51:02,408 --> 00:51:04,900
do.
I'm just need a to hasn't been

895
00:51:04,900 --> 00:51:06,800
in debate.
You know, parliament passed laws

896
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,700
protecting this and that and
doing this and that but they

897
00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:15,100
hasn't been any any real debate.
I think it's just gone so fast

898
00:51:15,100 --> 00:51:19,200
and things have changed so much
and people are just just lost.

899
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,300
Yeah.
Yeah, it makes it very different

900
00:51:21,300 --> 00:51:23,800
for someone like cars because,
you know, you got this believe

901
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,900
that all of a sudden are very
controversial, you know?

902
00:51:29,700 --> 00:51:34,000
And, and you like War I mean,
you know, if Children's books

903
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,600
need to be a detailed then.
What's next to the Bible?

904
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,000
There's so much violence.
There's incest.

905
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,300
There's you know, Warren.
There's a don't tree.

906
00:51:42,300 --> 00:51:44,100
I mean, there's so much going on
in the Bible.

907
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,200
You know, that's that's
interesting.

908
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,000
You should bring that up because
up in Daviess County, you know,

909
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,800
Ogden area up here for for about
a week.

910
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,200
They they did away with the
Bible in the the school

911
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,600
libraries.
Right.

912
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,800
And yeah.
And I got that and I was not

913
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,300
surprised because, you know, I
can see that coming here I

914
00:52:07,300 --> 00:52:10,100
really can.
But the thing that surprises me

915
00:52:10,100 --> 00:52:15,100
is its Utah, right?
It's one thing to do that in New

916
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:18,100
York, somewhere or California,
or somewhere in Europe.

917
00:52:18,100 --> 00:52:20,400
It's another thing to do it in
Utah, right?

918
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,800
Yeah, I mean, it's, it's damn
near theocracy here, right?

919
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,800
I mean, and, and for them to be
able to get away with it.

920
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,600
Now, granted and good.
Honam, the parents, you know,

921
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:38,100
Raise Hell about it and and the
Bible was put back in but it

922
00:52:38,100 --> 00:52:41,100
goes to show you that that it's
coming, right?

923
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,900
And and the danger in this isn't
just spiritual right?

924
00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:50,300
The spiritual dangerous, the
worst parsed part of all but

925
00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:54,200
what what a lot of folks don't
understand is that Western

926
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:58,000
culture and I'm not talking
about wested just being America

927
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,700
or just being the Intermountain
west of America.

928
00:53:00,700 --> 00:53:03,200
I'm Talking about Western
culture, yeah.

929
00:53:03,300 --> 00:53:09,000
France England, you know,
Germany to a large extent, those

930
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,600
countries have predominantly
been the west and it's out of

931
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,300
the West that mankind has been
able to take its greatest

932
00:53:15,300 --> 00:53:21,000
strides and the underpinnings of
what made the West globally.

933
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:27,200
What it was were traditional
judeo Christian principles.

934
00:53:27,900 --> 00:53:31,000
And so now, if you can edit
those, you have you have

935
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,600
essentially taken out the
underpinnings of what made the

936
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:40,800
West, the west and the the my
fear is that the replacement of

937
00:53:40,808 --> 00:53:48,700
that is is 1984 its communist.
Its revolution its socialism.

938
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,100
And so there's a real danger
here in this.

939
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,000
Absolutely, and the replacement.
That's exactly what it is.

940
00:53:55,100 --> 00:53:57,600
And, you know, I know and you
see that and you know, I really

941
00:53:57,700 --> 00:54:02,400
Because of, you know my beliefs.
I just feel like you know

942
00:54:02,500 --> 00:54:06,000
Orbison man are bad Artisan.
Like this is about and it's like

943
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,400
well you basically saying that
anything that the Bible actually

944
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,700
teaches or describes is actually
bad you know.

945
00:54:12,700 --> 00:54:16,300
So and you like this is very,
you know.

946
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,200
Yeah I can I can receive a
danger and I can really see like

947
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:24,000
the Bible being ban like there's
some parts in the UK where

948
00:54:24,100 --> 00:54:27,500
there's a lot of hate crime law.
I think it's both.

949
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,800
Come to my white Scott.
But basically, if someone is

950
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,000
offended by something you say,
even in you, in the privacy of

951
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,100
your own home, you can be
prosecuted if there is material

952
00:54:40,100 --> 00:54:46,400
that they deemed to be.
Aseema.

953
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,600
That's like not acceptable.
Then they can remove a pretty

954
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,300
sight.
You allowed to come into your

955
00:54:52,300 --> 00:54:58,000
home and remove those books.
Now, I mean, I need to start

956
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,300
hiding my journal of discourses
there, you know?

957
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,700
Because there's a lot of things
in there and that the walk

958
00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:06,000
people are not going to like,
right.

959
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,100
Let me ask you this an end.
Forgive me for my ignorance on

960
00:55:09,100 --> 00:55:13,800
this question, does the UK have
something that would be

961
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,800
considered?
Sidered the same as our first

962
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,800
amendment something that you can
stand on.

963
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:23,000
And say I have this right,
granted to me by God and you

964
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,200
can't take this First Amendment
right away.

965
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,000
Do you guys have something
similar to that in the, in the

966
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,000
UK?
Not really the thing about the

967
00:55:32,008 --> 00:55:37,000
UK is that there's no written
Constitution, surveys?

968
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,500
What we call a constitution is
kind of like a floating thing.

969
00:55:39,500 --> 00:55:42,300
It's, it's a series of like
understanding that.

970
00:55:42,300 --> 00:55:44,300
That's a way things work like
the monarchy.

971
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,200
Parliament, all that sort of
things and how they are checks,

972
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:50,900
you know, for checks and
balance.

973
00:55:50,900 --> 00:55:53,500
But so, but there's no written
Constitution.

974
00:55:53,500 --> 00:55:56,500
You cannot say, we don't really
have freedom of speech, it's not

975
00:55:56,500 --> 00:55:59,500
really.
I mean, there is, I mean, you

976
00:55:59,500 --> 00:56:01,400
know, the UK.
I've always been much more

977
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,400
liberal than say, France and
other parts, you know.

978
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,400
And that's why, you know, like
the early leaders were based in

979
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,700
the UK, not just for language,
but because they could publish

980
00:56:09,700 --> 00:56:13,100
books, The Book of Mormon like
the French translation, for

981
00:56:13,100 --> 00:56:17,900
example, Was you know, printed
in a in the UK and then it could

982
00:56:17,900 --> 00:56:20,200
be, you know, import them and
they writing them.

983
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,000
So the UK was been much more
liberal and I think, you know,

984
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,500
lots of things, I know you
Americans wanting to break away

985
00:56:27,500 --> 00:56:31,200
from Britain, but, you know, a
lot of things you took you to

986
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,600
called the.
I know where you took all the,

987
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:38,400
all the good stuff too.
You know, I mean the value of

988
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:44,600
individual and you know, and the
right to property and the the Of

989
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,300
Liberty.
All this is British originally

990
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:51,400
write it.
It is no, it is, no, it

991
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:56,300
absolutely is I guess, I guess
you don't have any documents

992
00:56:56,300 --> 00:56:57,900
that we can say.
No, this is it.

993
00:56:57,900 --> 00:56:59,800
And it's, you know, in training
law.

994
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,100
And therefore, you cannot take
that away from us.

995
00:57:02,100 --> 00:57:05,600
We don't have that right now.
There's no way we have the

996
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,000
Constitution without the Magna
Carta, right?

997
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,800
I mean, that's just, that's just
the truth of it.

998
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,500
And a lot of that was spelled
out there.

999
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,000
I guess the difference would
have Then we wrote it down,

1000
00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:18,000
right?
I mean that's that's that's

1001
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,100
really what happened.
Those men fought it out on the

1002
00:57:21,100 --> 00:57:23,300
battlefield of ideas in the end.
They hammered out the

1003
00:57:23,300 --> 00:57:25,800
Constitution and they wrote it
down.

1004
00:57:26,300 --> 00:57:30,300
I think the other thing that was
unique there is that it really

1005
00:57:30,300 --> 00:57:33,700
made the Constitution and this
is about the only thing that I

1006
00:57:33,700 --> 00:57:36,900
agree with Barack Obama on is
that he want.

1007
00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:40,900
He once said that, that the
constitution was a charter of

1008
00:57:40,900 --> 00:57:44,200
negative Liberties on the
government and I believe that

1009
00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:47,300
Pull hard, right?
Good, right.

1010
00:57:47,300 --> 00:57:49,100
That's a good thing to have,
right?

1011
00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:51,500
Yeah.
And so, I was just curious if

1012
00:57:51,500 --> 00:57:53,200
there was something that you
could stand on.

1013
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,200
That was the equivalent
equivalent of that, right?

1014
00:57:56,500 --> 00:57:59,300
Not treaty.
Just tradition, which is, which

1015
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:04,500
has always been a big thing in
there in the UK, you know, and

1016
00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:10,000
just, and I and common law.
But you know, like all the

1017
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,500
people are the champions of
Freedom.

1018
00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:17,000
Now, I'll really being put Trade
as being, you know, racist

1019
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,500
people from the colonial times
and everything, and then, and

1020
00:58:20,700 --> 00:58:23,400
they want to erase the memory.
I mean, everything over here was

1021
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,500
over British Heroes and people
that I really considered to be

1022
00:58:27,500 --> 00:58:30,800
heroes and I think the same in
the, in the state, you know,

1023
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,400
like make Thomas Jefferson and
all the people.

1024
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,100
All the founding father has to
be like these evil men, you

1025
00:58:37,100 --> 00:58:40,900
know, as in the UK.
So you got this change our

1026
00:58:40,900 --> 00:58:46,700
history, they rewrite history
and they Destroy all the me.

1027
00:58:46,700 --> 00:58:49,400
If see, if you want to go get a
nice and, you know, and and

1028
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,900
everything gets turned upside
down until they got the Clean

1029
00:58:52,900 --> 00:58:57,200
Slate of like the new history
that they everything, everything

1030
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,900
that it believed now needs to be
represented in the past.

1031
00:59:00,900 --> 00:59:02,800
You know, it's kind of like,
well, let's see, the password

1032
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,200
what it was like, the books, you
know, like the changing.

1033
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,600
But it's like, well, no you
didn't write the stuff that this

1034
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,800
author road, but back in the
day, that's what you said.

1035
00:59:10,900 --> 00:59:14,200
That's kind of a society was,
like, the people like the war.

1036
00:59:14,300 --> 00:59:18,800
Talk people that just want the
past to be the same and, you

1037
00:59:18,808 --> 00:59:23,600
know, they just want their
distorted view of the world and

1038
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:31,600
their so-called values to be
written in past documents and in

1039
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,300
history.
You know, this is really like

1040
00:59:33,300 --> 00:59:35,400
1984, isn't it?
Sure it is.

1041
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:41,300
Yeah, absolutely.
I've said for a long time, They

1042
00:59:41,300 --> 00:59:44,100
may not be prophets but they
were prophetic and that is

1043
00:59:44,100 --> 00:59:47,100
George.
Orwell and Ian, Rand, I think I

1044
00:59:47,100 --> 00:59:49,100
think they both got some things
really, right?

1045
00:59:49,100 --> 00:59:52,400
Unfortunately, you know I'd same
like for the slavery issue, for

1046
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,300
example, which is, you know, a
thing in Britain.

1047
00:59:54,300 --> 00:59:58,400
But you know Britain and
Christians in the UK where you

1048
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:04,200
know really, I mean Britain and
in the surf trade in 1807 much

1049
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,500
earlier than France and America.
Of course it was a very

1050
01:00:07,500 --> 01:00:10,500
lucrative thing, so for them to
actually decide to make it You

1051
01:00:10,508 --> 01:00:15,600
know, unlawful and to aimed it
is actually something to

1052
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,800
celebrate, but no, they don't
want to celebrate Britain.

1053
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,100
They don't want to serve it
Parliament.

1054
01:00:20,100 --> 01:00:22,700
Did a good thing actually went
to his museum in London?

1055
01:00:23,900 --> 01:00:25,900
That talked about that a little
bit and they said, actually,

1056
01:00:25,900 --> 01:00:29,000
they ended it because the men
were voted to end slavery

1057
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:32,200
benefited from it because they
would be compensations and all

1058
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,200
that.
I mean, you can't win, you can't

1059
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:38,700
win, you know, it's yeah,
absolutely crazy.

1060
01:00:38,700 --> 01:00:41,000
But you know, it's an every
every level For now you go to

1061
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,200
museums and they Everything's
changed, you know, we just want

1062
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,700
to see everything some
instruments have been removed

1063
01:00:48,300 --> 01:00:52,100
because the ivory had been, you
know, brought from Africa and

1064
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:56,100
all that.
And it's yeah, even Shakespeare

1065
01:00:56,100 --> 01:00:59,700
is on the list of like maybe.
Yeah.

1066
01:00:59,700 --> 01:01:02,100
Yeah.
Because it contains some racist

1067
01:01:02,100 --> 01:01:05,700
and misogynistic passages.
So it's like it might be on the

1068
01:01:05,700 --> 01:01:09,700
list of things that need to be.
There's a trigger warning before

1069
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,500
any Any production, I mean in
for it for seven plays in

1070
01:01:13,500 --> 01:01:15,900
certain places, it's crazy.
Yeah.

1071
01:01:16,500 --> 01:01:19,300
So let me ask you this.
Where do you think that leaves

1072
01:01:19,300 --> 01:01:22,300
you then in the UK in the coming
years?

1073
01:01:22,300 --> 01:01:33,300
If this is not stifled?
I really think that things need

1074
01:01:33,300 --> 01:01:37,100
to, I mean, they going so far
now, I think something is to

1075
01:01:37,100 --> 01:01:40,000
change and if they keep going
the way they are, it's going to

1076
01:01:40,008 --> 01:01:43,000
be the demise of society because
the family is under attack

1077
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,700
tracings under attack.
I mean, everything that we value

1078
01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:52,700
is under attack.
So I think it will be total,

1079
01:01:52,700 --> 01:01:55,900
Anarchy.
And people can cope with life

1080
01:01:55,900 --> 01:01:57,400
because everyone is so
sensitive.

1081
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,100
And everyone's like, you know,
or you hurt my feelings in that.

1082
01:02:00,100 --> 01:02:03,400
I think that it would just, it
would just implode because

1083
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,900
there's going to be always a
function is going to be against

1084
01:02:05,900 --> 01:02:09,000
yellow and then they can't cook
with a real world.

1085
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,000
So, I think it will be total
Anarchy.

1086
01:02:13,500 --> 01:02:16,000
I don't think these people can
be productive.

1087
01:02:16,100 --> 01:02:22,000
They're more interested in
Social justice as they see it or

1088
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:27,000
in, you know, no carbon emission
all that sort of stuff.

1089
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,000
I mean they're on this mission
on this Crusade because we'd

1090
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,400
like religion and they need to
find something.

1091
01:02:32,500 --> 01:02:34,700
I need to find something.
And that's the new thing, you

1092
01:02:34,700 --> 01:02:39,600
know the environment or the LGBT
or Auntie racism or whatever,

1093
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:42,100
you know, we just find something
is going to make it in feel

1094
01:02:42,100 --> 01:02:48,600
better and and they just go
about imposing that to people

1095
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,600
but it Not productive, you need
to produce something, you need

1096
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,500
to Value work, they don't value
any of that.

1097
01:02:53,500 --> 01:02:56,500
They just want to be given
everything, but you cannot

1098
01:02:56,500 --> 01:02:58,900
reduce to get wealthy if you
don't create it first.

1099
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:03,600
I know that did understand.
So I just see I just see that

1100
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,800
like, you know, running out of
computer running out of money

1101
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:10,300
and these people not being able
to cope with a real world and

1102
01:03:10,300 --> 01:03:15,300
unjust hatred and more Division.
I don't want that ending well at

1103
01:03:15,300 --> 01:03:17,400
all.
So what about for you

1104
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,500
personally, right?
Because when we first need to, I

1105
01:03:20,508 --> 01:03:23,200
need to go to the Zion, that's
what you know.

1106
01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:26,000
And that's and that's what I was
getting to.

1107
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:31,300
And that's you'll be, you'll be
the first and then I'm doing

1108
01:03:31,300 --> 01:03:36,000
another one tomorrow with
another gentleman from the UK.

1109
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:42,500
A young man, actually like a
teen, who, who is like a

1110
01:03:42,500 --> 01:03:45,900
fundamentalist now.
Wow.

1111
01:03:45,900 --> 01:03:49,000
But I've gotten emails.
Write that.

1112
01:03:49,100 --> 01:03:51,800
At which freaked me out.
The first time I saw something

1113
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:55,800
come from like Google dot U,
k--, right?

1114
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:59,200
Or something like that.
Whatever the moniker was where,

1115
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:04,200
where this thing was brought up.
And I want to be careful here

1116
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,700
because because I've said this
before on the podcast and I

1117
01:04:07,707 --> 01:04:11,400
truly mean it, I'm nobody's
leader not at all.

1118
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,000
I'm not your priest, I'm not
your pope, I'm not your, you

1119
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:18,500
know your Bishop.
However I get this feeling like

1120
01:04:20,100 --> 01:04:23,200
The Lord.
The Lord may end up calling

1121
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:29,800
people out of England again and
out of those areas again because

1122
01:04:33,100 --> 01:04:37,400
The, the wheels of the mob gets
slowed down because of the First

1123
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:41,400
Amendment, right?
And, and when I get, I get

1124
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,600
lambaste it from time to time
because the Freedom Movement in

1125
01:04:44,607 --> 01:04:47,100
the Liberty Movement is
something that's near and dear

1126
01:04:47,100 --> 01:04:51,500
to my heart.
Because of, just this, if you

1127
01:04:51,500 --> 01:04:56,700
can't have freedom of
conscience, if you can't say the

1128
01:04:56,700 --> 01:05:01,900
unpopular thing, You really
don't have freedom and you

1129
01:05:01,900 --> 01:05:04,200
really don't have the
opportunity to practice your

1130
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:08,800
religion as you see fit as God
has deemed it to you.

1131
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:14,800
And so I really do think that
that before everything is said

1132
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:19,200
and done, we could see another
wave of religious immigration.

1133
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,000
Again, coming out of Europe, I
really do.

1134
01:05:22,300 --> 01:05:26,200
I think it will be as far as I
can tell.

1135
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,700
And granted, I don't talk to a
ton of Baptists or Thing else.

1136
01:05:29,700 --> 01:05:33,500
So I wouldn't know, but as far
as I can tell, they'll be

1137
01:05:33,500 --> 01:05:36,400
another Mormon exit, just moving
across the Atlantic again,

1138
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:41,300
because they're going to have to
unless this somehow gets stifled

1139
01:05:41,300 --> 01:05:44,800
which is a possibility right
that, that something comes up

1140
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:50,400
and pushing against your right
because it gets to a point.

1141
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,700
Now, like her, I really cannot
be, you know, you say, well how

1142
01:05:53,700 --> 01:05:55,700
do people react?
And, you know, like her 10 years

1143
01:05:55,700 --> 01:05:57,900
ago, I could tell people.
I've been baptized, I've been

1144
01:05:57,900 --> 01:06:01,900
this and not Now, I cannot talk
about this in a workplace, you

1145
01:06:01,900 --> 01:06:07,400
know, this is really like a guy
I put myself in danger because

1146
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:10,700
it's so unpopular.
And you know, things that I

1147
01:06:10,700 --> 01:06:13,400
thought were, we're okay, maybe
not popular.

1148
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,800
But okay, I know very
controversial or dimmed divisive

1149
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,800
or hateful or or criminal they
would say.

1150
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,300
And so you really need to be
careful and then you feel like

1151
01:06:23,300 --> 01:06:26,300
so isolated in that respect.
Not because you're alone.

1152
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:30,900
Practicing your faith in
Britain, but Because like you

1153
01:06:30,900 --> 01:06:34,000
really have to watch your back,
you have to, you know, in Cuba,

1154
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,700
keep up your guard all the time
because you like, yeah, you

1155
01:06:36,700 --> 01:06:40,800
don't know what these people
could do or say against you.

1156
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,000
So, you know, when people say
what are you doing on Sunday,

1157
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,500
were just raised me, you know,
just read books, what do you

1158
01:06:46,500 --> 01:06:50,700
really do, you know, history,
books or theology are and, you

1159
01:06:50,700 --> 01:06:57,800
know, and you just I just try to
really not make any ways like

1160
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,700
that, but in a way, Yeah, but it
was not the case, 10 years ago,

1161
01:07:00,700 --> 01:07:02,800
it was, you know, I would get
this all, you know, I'm going to

1162
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,100
end up on a compound or
something, you know, people say,

1163
01:07:05,100 --> 01:07:07,900
I don't want to be friends with
you, dude, but that was fine.

1164
01:07:07,900 --> 01:07:14,400
But now, I feel like this would
be, this could be very dangerous

1165
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,700
for me, you know, I could lose a
lot of things because my job

1166
01:07:17,700 --> 01:07:21,200
and, you know, and I could be
worse than that.

1167
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,700
So, so you're right.
I think something's gonna have

1168
01:07:23,700 --> 01:07:26,800
to give, or we're going to have
to move.

1169
01:07:27,500 --> 01:07:31,600
Have you seen any anything?
Because I'm pulling for ink for

1170
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:33,800
the UK.
I Really Am poem for the UK,

1171
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,000
right?
Then?

1172
01:07:35,300 --> 01:07:39,500
Because as you, you as you
alluded to it, and you're 100%

1173
01:07:39,500 --> 01:07:43,300
correct.
Except for the revolution in the

1174
01:07:43,300 --> 01:07:46,600
1812, the two countries have
always kind of had each other's

1175
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:50,600
back, right?
And and so I'm kind of pulling

1176
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:52,800
for him.
Do you see anything happening in

1177
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:58,400
the u.k. right now, that maybe
gives you hope that?

1178
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:05,000
Okay, maybe, maybe this tide
will turn a little bit I think

1179
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:09,300
sometimes when you speak to
people, you realize that what

1180
01:08:09,300 --> 01:08:12,100
the walk, they infiltrate
institutions, like, I said and

1181
01:08:12,100 --> 01:08:14,000
everything.
You know, it's kind of like in

1182
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,800
ain't riding law and they're in
Academia and then museums, for

1183
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:21,500
everywhere, the BBC I mean, you
know, like that's a big

1184
01:08:21,500 --> 01:08:26,899
propaganda thing for the walk
now, but people don't really buy

1185
01:08:26,899 --> 01:08:32,500
into that.
And I think people are much more

1186
01:08:32,500 --> 01:08:35,800
conservative than Then maybe not
with XE.

1187
01:08:36,500 --> 01:08:40,399
Well, socially Conservative,
then, you know, and I think

1188
01:08:40,399 --> 01:08:44,200
that's where all these people
voted for for brexit or boys

1189
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:48,000
Johnson, you know, at the time.
Like, you know, 2019 think

1190
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,200
people who never voted
conservative before because they

1191
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,300
needed something done, they
didn't like the weather.

1192
01:08:52,300 --> 01:08:54,600
The left was doing things.
You know, obvious identity,

1193
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:59,399
politics and and obvious kind of
like really finding what we've

1194
01:08:59,399 --> 01:09:02,800
always taken for granted in the
past and not and it was inside

1195
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:07,700
of what their day job shouldn't.
Be you know, so I think you know

1196
01:09:07,700 --> 01:09:12,200
on the collectively.
No, I see, I don't see any hope,

1197
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:16,200
but on the individual level I
think there's a lot of people

1198
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:18,899
were starting to question things
and push back seeing things that

1199
01:09:18,899 --> 01:09:24,100
going to be too far and actually
the leader of in Scotland.

1200
01:09:25,300 --> 01:09:29,800
You know, was deposed because
she was really pushing for Trans

1201
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:34,000
rights in a way that like people
I could say I self identify as a

1202
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:34,600
woman.
Woman.

1203
01:09:35,399 --> 01:09:38,500
And I think three months later I
could get a card or something

1204
01:09:38,500 --> 01:09:41,899
that said that I was a woman who
needs a, you didn't.

1205
01:09:41,899 --> 01:09:45,399
And I could be 16 could before,
I mean, you know, so and then

1206
01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:47,700
you can do everything you want,
you know?

1207
01:09:47,700 --> 01:09:49,600
Like because now you are, I'm a
woman.

1208
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:53,700
So I can go to my can do, you
know, women sports?

1209
01:09:53,700 --> 01:09:56,200
So I can do this and, and
there's been, you know, there's

1210
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:59,800
been, she's she was very
popular, nobody that she wasn't

1211
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:01,900
touchable.
And then people do say that

1212
01:10:01,900 --> 01:10:05,800
actually, you know, no, that's
going to be into And so she quit

1213
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:09,000
she said it was not the reason
but it can was very reason.

1214
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,700
We also see I lost my train of
thought I was thinking of

1215
01:10:12,700 --> 01:10:17,000
something else as well that you
can see that people actually

1216
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:24,800
have Gosh, it's gone now.
But you do I think, you know,

1217
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:28,000
people are pushing back on the
green agenda as well.

1218
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,000
Like, you know, this being like
this incentive for people to get

1219
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:32,200
money.
They were going to change their

1220
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:36,000
boiler and get like some heat
pump instead it's not happened.

1221
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:40,900
So I think you can see that
there's like some some

1222
01:10:40,900 --> 01:10:45,400
resistance but it was very For
me like the copied.

1223
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,400
What Rick Shinzo.
That's when I cannot like lost

1224
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:53,200
faith in in the government and
because we have a conservative

1225
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,000
government that's a thing.
So it's like if that's

1226
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,300
happening, you know, when
they're, we've got a

1227
01:10:57,308 --> 01:10:59,700
conservative government, what's
going to happen when the left

1228
01:10:59,700 --> 01:11:04,300
wins in the next election?
And we said to win, but, you

1229
01:11:04,308 --> 01:11:07,400
know, people were so compliant
because we played on this fear

1230
01:11:07,500 --> 01:11:09,700
of people, so people were so
compliant.

1231
01:11:09,700 --> 01:11:11,900
They were even like, you know,
there was a special number you

1232
01:11:11,900 --> 01:11:14,900
could call.
Tell on your neighbor you some

1233
01:11:14,900 --> 01:11:17,400
really like going to a
supermarket twice a day instead

1234
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,500
of just once you could call the
number the police even issued

1235
01:11:20,500 --> 01:11:24,000
ikura statement saying please
stop calling us and so then they

1236
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,800
had a web page instead we could
report people for doing the

1237
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,000
wrong thing.
Absolutely terrible.

1238
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,100
The things that happen web so
you tell you what, I lost faith

1239
01:11:31,100 --> 01:11:35,800
in the police as well and that
time there are very handy on

1240
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,800
people you know, giving tickets
to people just very sitting

1241
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,900
alone in the park.
It was not allowed.

1242
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:42,800
You were only allowed in the
park, the green too.

1243
01:11:42,900 --> 01:11:45,200
To exercise.
Not sitting down.

1244
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,300
Yeah, that was a bit too much
but no you see some people

1245
01:11:49,300 --> 01:11:52,400
cannot pushing back.
Now there's some Fringe parties.

1246
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,600
There's always been some Fringe
parties I suppose but you know,

1247
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:59,200
we cannot getting a bit of
momentum and some so you do get

1248
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:04,800
some decent voices.
I say so I think I think the

1249
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,200
service bit of Hope there was
one example that's gone.

1250
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:11,000
I'm sure is going to come back
after we're done here but what

1251
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:17,000
was it like during covid.
Well, you were not allowed to

1252
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,800
leave your home, unless it was
to exercise once a day or go to

1253
01:12:21,900 --> 01:12:24,000
buy Essentials.
That's nothing if you went to a

1254
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:27,200
supermarket or anything, the
grocery store you had to buy

1255
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,500
essential now who do you say was
essential?

1256
01:12:29,900 --> 01:12:31,900
I know for your Doritos
eyesential.

1257
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:37,300
Yeah, I read those words.
So, yeah, I know I would, I

1258
01:12:37,300 --> 01:12:41,800
would have thrown key into a
harbor had, they said you cannot

1259
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:43,300
buy Doritos.
Covid.

1260
01:12:43,300 --> 01:12:47,200
So so that was like, very, it
was very Draconian here.

1261
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:50,200
Like here we not allowed to I
mean some example, you know like

1262
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:52,700
where I think it was pretty much
the same in many parts of the

1263
01:12:52,708 --> 01:12:55,700
world in Europe to.
But one thing that I found was

1264
01:12:55,700 --> 01:12:57,800
very, very strange here, is
that, at some point you are

1265
01:12:57,808 --> 01:13:03,400
allowed to go to, we're going to
go to a pub or two recent but

1266
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,400
music was not allowed.
They were not allowed to play

1267
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:10,300
music.
I don't know.

1268
01:13:11,100 --> 01:13:13,500
Wow, so yeah.
So you would go to a pub or

1269
01:13:13,500 --> 01:13:15,500
restaurant.
You had to wear the mask as soon

1270
01:13:15,500 --> 01:13:17,500
as you were sitting down.
It could take it off, of course,

1271
01:13:17,500 --> 01:13:20,400
but if you went to the bathroom
yet to feedback on this and that

1272
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,500
in for over the arrows,
everybody was very compliant at

1273
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:26,500
hate that so much.
You know, I try to always trying

1274
01:13:26,500 --> 01:13:29,100
to, you know, Break The Rules a
little bit just to feel like

1275
01:13:29,100 --> 01:13:34,400
you're getting a bit of a, you
know, you still into delivering

1276
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:38,900
a, yeah, yeah, but yeah, there
was no music for example.

1277
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:43,700
Like that.
Yeah, you had to queue to enter

1278
01:13:43,700 --> 01:13:46,300
a supermarket, but in the
supermarket, I could just be

1279
01:13:46,300 --> 01:13:48,100
next to the next person and
everything it was.

1280
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:50,900
But when you wake hearing you
how to be like, you know, six

1281
01:13:50,900 --> 01:13:55,400
feet apart once inside anything.
When it's like, you know, very,

1282
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,100
very strange.
Very, very strange.

1283
01:13:57,100 --> 01:14:00,200
But, you know, and, and, and the
Fear Factor was, it was a big

1284
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:02,600
thing.
Everything shut down.

1285
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,300
You had to stay at home.
You couldn't see loved ones.

1286
01:14:06,300 --> 01:14:08,800
If you had loved ones at the
hospital, you could go see them.

1287
01:14:08,900 --> 01:14:11,600
They would die alone in the
meantime, our government, you

1288
01:14:11,608 --> 01:14:14,100
know, people in government, they
would have parties birthday

1289
01:14:14,100 --> 01:14:18,200
parties, you are not allowed to
hug people, but some of them had

1290
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:21,200
affairs at the same time, you
know, if it was sleeping with

1291
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:25,500
other men's wives, these are the
men in government, right?

1292
01:14:26,100 --> 01:14:32,100
We saw, we saw very similar
things, like I remember, they

1293
01:14:32,100 --> 01:14:36,400
were like, no public Gatherings,
unless it's to protest, right?

1294
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:40,200
Then, then you can go for Glenn.
We're bored too.

1295
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:44,100
Okay, so we're not allowed to
protest if you wear on TV back

1296
01:14:44,100 --> 01:14:47,800
so if you want to lock down, you
say on tithe accent, a log down

1297
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:51,000
in there in the u.s. we're not
allowed to protest but BLM was

1298
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:53,900
allowed because we did respect
social distancing, so that was

1299
01:14:53,900 --> 01:14:55,900
okay.
Yes.

1300
01:14:55,900 --> 01:14:59,000
Yeah.
We still have the photos on my

1301
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:03,100
laptop because I'm convinced
they're going to go away In the

1302
01:15:03,100 --> 01:15:05,700
Heat of the pandemic.
You have people

1303
01:15:05,700 --> 01:15:09,100
shoulder-to-shoulder marching in
the streets and I'm all for, For

1304
01:15:09,100 --> 01:15:11,400
that, right?
That's your right.

1305
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:15,600
But for some reason it was okay
for that side of the spectrum

1306
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:21,800
but not the other side, the and
and and so I'm with you as it

1307
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:27,000
was a real weird time I do
remember.

1308
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:32,400
This sticks out to me more than
anything else and I still

1309
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,000
haven't.
I haven't figured out what the

1310
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:38,900
significance is yet.
I'm sure it'll come to me at

1311
01:15:38,900 --> 01:15:44,600
some point, but this was right
before, Utah went on lockdown.

1312
01:15:47,100 --> 01:15:50,300
And the governor came out.
He said in, I think it was three

1313
01:15:50,300 --> 01:15:51,700
days.
He said, we're in going to

1314
01:15:51,700 --> 01:15:55,500
official walk down and now,
fortunately, because my wife was

1315
01:15:55,500 --> 01:16:00,500
raised a Mormon, she's got all
the Mormon jeans, right?

1316
01:16:00,500 --> 01:16:04,300
And so, she's been prepared for,
I don't know, a nuclear

1317
01:16:04,300 --> 01:16:07,800
Holocaust for, like, the last 15
years, right?

1318
01:16:08,100 --> 01:16:09,500
No.
We were, we were stocked up.

1319
01:16:09,500 --> 01:16:13,500
We were fine, but it was the
strangest thing, like the night

1320
01:16:13,500 --> 01:16:16,300
before the lockdown, I just kept
getting this.

1321
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,600
Prompting go to the grocery
store and there's a big chain of

1322
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,700
grocery stores out in the west
called WinCo, right?

1323
01:16:22,700 --> 01:16:25,400
Go to Winco, just down the
street, just go.

1324
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:27,800
I'm like, but I don't need
anything.

1325
01:16:27,900 --> 01:16:31,600
Why would I want to go out?
But I just kept getting this

1326
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,700
prompting go.
You need to look, you need to

1327
01:16:33,700 --> 01:16:38,100
see.
And I remember I went and I just

1328
01:16:38,100 --> 01:16:41,900
walked around the store and for
the first time in my life, the

1329
01:16:41,900 --> 01:16:49,400
shelves were empty and at 2:00
in the morning, it was chaos,

1330
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,600
utter chaos.
I mean, these poor people who

1331
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:57,200
worked at WinCo they would wheel
off a pallet of food and as soon

1332
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,300
as it was done, it wouldn't even
get unpacked.

1333
01:16:59,300 --> 01:17:01,500
People would just Karen.
The boxes open.

1334
01:17:01,700 --> 01:17:06,100
Yeah and I saw I saw fear like
I'd never seen in people before

1335
01:17:06,900 --> 01:17:12,000
and It made a huge impression
and I felt sorry for him.

1336
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:15,100
I was like, oh, why?
Why?

1337
01:17:15,100 --> 01:17:17,300
What?
What what, what, what is it that

1338
01:17:17,300 --> 01:17:19,200
has allowed you to get to this
point.

1339
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:27,200
And, and that's the part that
was so disturbing to me was How

1340
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:31,500
easily they were able to
capitalize on fear?

1341
01:17:31,500 --> 01:17:34,900
And when I say they, I mean
those in power, right?

1342
01:17:34,900 --> 01:17:37,200
Yeah.
How easy it was for them to

1343
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:41,400
capitalize on that and get
people to fall in line?

1344
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:46,200
Absolutely.
So it sounds like it was pretty

1345
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:49,800
similar, although I'll say this
in especially around where I

1346
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,700
live, we were done with the
masks in like three months.

1347
01:17:52,700 --> 01:17:56,400
We were like screw this.
This isn't working Ava available

1348
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,200
here that a lot of them asks
here, I hope.

1349
01:17:59,900 --> 01:18:03,900
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
So yeah, like her, I would get,

1350
01:18:03,900 --> 01:18:06,600
you know, some people would have
a go at me for not wearing the

1351
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,600
mask here and there about, you
know, it's fine.

1352
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:14,000
But no, that was, I was very
interesting times, but you know

1353
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,000
what?
What I found interesting, you

1354
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:19,100
know, being in Europe and
because you know, coming from

1355
01:18:19,100 --> 01:18:21,900
different country as well.
And you know speaking different

1356
01:18:21,900 --> 01:18:25,600
languages, what I found
interesting is that although

1357
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,400
different leaders.
It's likely.

1358
01:18:29,900 --> 01:18:31,800
They were all singing from the
same.

1359
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:35,300
Hymn sheet they were used in
vocabulary, they're using the

1360
01:18:35,300 --> 01:18:37,800
same metaphors.
There was this thing about the

1361
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:42,800
tidal wave and the every
language it's like gosh, is it a

1362
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:44,700
big given something?
And then the Got someone to

1363
01:18:44,700 --> 01:18:49,000
translate it for them because we
all said the same stuff, right?

1364
01:18:49,900 --> 01:18:52,000
You know, the timing was a bit
different at times, even in

1365
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,400
parts of the UK they would
introduce something.

1366
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:56,900
Then a week later, it will be
another part of the UK and this

1367
01:18:56,900 --> 01:18:59,200
and that.
But but everybody was saying the

1368
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:03,200
same and the same words, I'm
like, he's a concerted effort is

1369
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:05,800
the global thing.
You know, it's kind of like, you

1370
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:09,100
know, when people say, well, you
know, your conspiracy theories,

1371
01:19:09,100 --> 01:19:12,800
my got one them to be theories.
I want them to be, but they

1372
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:16,800
always turn out to be.
Reality eventually are you never

1373
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:20,600
give me credit for them?
When oh yeah, when Mormons tell

1374
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:23,900
me it's a conspiracy theory and
I say have you read the book of

1375
01:19:23,900 --> 01:19:26,000
Mormon?
Because it's chocolate of them,

1376
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:28,600
right?
Yeah, yeah.

1377
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,400
So yeah, you get the idea.
I think it was.

1378
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:34,100
Personally, that's my personal
thing.

1379
01:19:34,100 --> 01:19:37,400
Nothing to do with religion.
Just my personal opinion is that

1380
01:19:37,500 --> 01:19:39,900
this was an exercise in My Soup
medians.

1381
01:19:40,700 --> 01:19:43,800
And that's very scary how well
it worked.

1382
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:47,500
Yeah, well it worked everywhere.
I mean the French always

1383
01:19:47,500 --> 01:19:51,600
industry demonstrating for one
thing or another, they were not,

1384
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:54,800
they were not doing covid.
They were all very compliant.

1385
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:58,300
It was very strict on that.
You had to carry a pass like a

1386
01:19:58,300 --> 01:20:00,900
passport, in a way.
You could print it out yourself

1387
01:20:00,900 --> 01:20:03,100
and thinking, like, why you out
of your house?

1388
01:20:03,300 --> 01:20:04,700
Yeah, I'd say you're going to
the supermarket.

1389
01:20:04,700 --> 01:20:06,400
You're going to the doctor's,
you going?

1390
01:20:06,700 --> 01:20:11,000
I mean, And they complied.
And they complained.

1391
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:14,300
I just think the next next time
is going to be some emergency

1392
01:20:14,300 --> 01:20:18,500
and is always some like Crisis
or emergency, then this would be

1393
01:20:18,500 --> 01:20:20,700
reinstated.
Now in the UK, we see that with

1394
01:20:20,700 --> 01:20:25,700
the environment, I mean this is
really like a hot summer in

1395
01:20:25,700 --> 01:20:29,100
Paris standards.
Anyway, it's pretty hard when

1396
01:20:29,100 --> 01:20:33,300
the 80s which is like, you know,
a real hate way over here.

1397
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,500
But you know, like her last
summer it hasn't happened yet

1398
01:20:36,500 --> 01:20:38,400
but last summer, like schools
were shut.

1399
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,800
Transport was not working when
airport was shut down as well.

1400
01:20:42,500 --> 01:20:44,700
The mayor of London was saying,
you know, left wing.

1401
01:20:44,700 --> 01:20:46,900
Of course, said no barbecues,
no, nothing.

1402
01:20:46,900 --> 01:20:51,000
This is the most.
I say it was a crisis like a,

1403
01:20:51,700 --> 01:20:53,900
you know, an emergency.
We never had fires like this

1404
01:20:53,900 --> 01:20:57,000
since a war and it's not true if
I was.

1405
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:01,400
It'd been there since the 80s,
not not the 40s but the 80s.

1406
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:04,000
I think there are third to first
down.

1407
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:07,200
I think I've got some some data
about that.

1408
01:21:08,700 --> 01:21:16,300
And you have a 2/3 before into
third since the 80s and is no

1409
01:21:16,300 --> 01:21:18,100
increase wildfires across the
UK.

1410
01:21:18,300 --> 01:21:20,900
There is no Resurrection, no
grass fires.

1411
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:24,500
I looked up this up before
because I thought we're going to

1412
01:21:24,500 --> 01:21:27,300
talk about that.
But apparently, yeah, everything

1413
01:21:27,300 --> 01:21:30,100
is to be shut down.
If it is an emergency, what used

1414
01:21:30,100 --> 01:21:34,500
to be a hot day is now like, you
know, a natural disaster and we

1415
01:21:34,500 --> 01:21:37,800
need to pay more tax as well to
tackle.

1416
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:42,000
There's a rising temperatures or
something but yeah, so we put

1417
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,200
the fear in people and I think
it works because a lot of

1418
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:47,500
people, a lot of people think
actually.

1419
01:21:47,500 --> 01:21:50,800
Yeah this is an emergency and we
need to do something and even

1420
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:53,700
even means we're more poor.
If we impoverished in the

1421
01:21:53,700 --> 01:21:55,700
process, it doesn't matter
because we need to save a

1422
01:21:55,700 --> 01:21:57,700
planet.
Now, you got a lots of children

1423
01:21:57,700 --> 01:22:01,400
going about with what now?
They term climate anxiety,

1424
01:22:01,900 --> 01:22:05,400
because we've got the fear
pulley into them by the media,

1425
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:07,100
by their school teachers or
something.

1426
01:22:07,300 --> 01:22:11,000
And that's a thing.
You know, Covington anxiety,

1427
01:22:12,700 --> 01:22:15,500
that's nuts.
So I think that they use that

1428
01:22:15,500 --> 01:22:20,500
because they start using that in
some places and, you know, and I

1429
01:22:20,500 --> 01:22:22,700
think, you know, they really
want controllers, we've got the

1430
01:22:22,700 --> 01:22:26,200
15-minute City thing as well, in
the UK is being in.

1431
01:22:26,300 --> 01:22:29,200
It's been introduced in London
in Oxford, it's going to be

1432
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:33,200
interesting novel, parts of the
UK and think about it during low

1433
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:34,900
lockdowns.
What were you saying?

1434
01:22:34,900 --> 01:22:36,900
You're not allowed to go, you
can.

1435
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:41,000
You can only travel with In five
miles, no more, sometimes one

1436
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,600
mile or something, well, what's
15 minutes?

1437
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:47,900
That would be like, 5 miles, you
know what, Utah's about to get

1438
01:22:47,900 --> 01:22:52,000
their first one right now.
What's it wasn't?

1439
01:22:52,300 --> 01:22:54,900
It wasn't that like some
preparation for its, and you're

1440
01:22:54,900 --> 01:22:57,800
not allowed to cross, you know,
there's you go five miles and

1441
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:00,100
then you get fined if you do,
that's exactly what's going to

1442
01:23:00,100 --> 01:23:02,300
happen that there was going to
happen in Oxford.

1443
01:23:02,300 --> 01:23:05,300
Now, if you go to your two
different neighborhood and you

1444
01:23:05,300 --> 01:23:08,000
don't know, the new laws is like
cameras everywhere of his

1445
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:10,800
somebody To prevent you from
going through, but you're not

1446
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:13,500
supposed to go.
And again, people are, it's not

1447
01:23:13,500 --> 01:23:16,300
going to be good for businesses.
If you cannot go to that shop,

1448
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:18,800
not everyone can be on a bike.
They want everyone to be on a

1449
01:23:18,808 --> 01:23:20,300
bike.
It's not possible.

1450
01:23:20,300 --> 01:23:23,700
Not everyone can be on a bike.
You know what about deliveries

1451
01:23:23,700 --> 01:23:25,500
for stores?
What about, you know,

1452
01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:28,500
ambulances, what about all that
right.

1453
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,700
Now, you tell us about to get
its first 15 minutes City.

1454
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:33,900
Just at the point of the
mountain, they're tearing down

1455
01:23:33,900 --> 01:23:38,500
the old penitentiary and there
was even like a national award

1456
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:41,600
Award given to Utah for it.
And I'm like, this is horrible.

1457
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:47,000
This is horrible.
I mean, it's nuts and it sounds

1458
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,600
like we're dealing with with a
lot of the same stuff.

1459
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,900
I guess.
The one thing I take hoping here

1460
01:23:53,900 --> 01:23:59,900
in the states is that things are
things in the state aren't as

1461
01:23:59,900 --> 01:24:03,100
homogeneous as what they are in
Europe, right.

1462
01:24:03,100 --> 01:24:06,800
I mean there's so many different
flavors so to speak within the

1463
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:11,700
states and so you can find a
community still where you can

1464
01:24:11,700 --> 01:24:14,800
belong and have like-minded
people.

1465
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:20,600
Yeah, well dude.
Yuri, we've been all over the

1466
01:24:20,608 --> 01:24:24,800
map as far as we have about.
They need to of his being of

1467
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,800
being all over the map in the
Netherlands in Europe.

1468
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:29,900
Actually like speaking of
pushing back now.

1469
01:24:29,900 --> 01:24:33,800
Remember, where it was trans men
women.

1470
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:37,300
I'm not sure but they are not
able to even allowed competing

1471
01:24:37,300 --> 01:24:40,400
UK Sports anymore.
So I think you know is yeah.

1472
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:43,300
So there are some changes and
again I don't think it's

1473
01:24:43,300 --> 01:24:44,900
anything to do against trans
people.

1474
01:24:44,900 --> 01:24:48,100
I will that's the thing David
you know people would accuse Me

1475
01:24:48,100 --> 01:24:51,900
of this and that sometimes like
know I believe in Freedom I

1476
01:24:51,900 --> 01:24:54,600
believe in from for everyone I
want everyone to be protected by

1477
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,500
the law.
Yeah, don't tell to anyone

1478
01:24:57,700 --> 01:25:01,500
whenever color creed or sexual
orientation or identity.

1479
01:25:01,500 --> 01:25:05,600
I don't care.
Just don't force me to be what?

1480
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,800
I don't want to be.
Yeah, but be what you want, I'm

1481
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,600
all for that but you know, so
they will accuse of government

1482
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:13,900
being transphobic but I just
think, you know, sometime again

1483
01:25:13,900 --> 01:25:17,100
they do decisions before
thinking things through and I

1484
01:25:17,108 --> 01:25:19,900
think that's what happened.
But in the Netherlands, the

1485
01:25:19,900 --> 01:25:22,200
government and again, it's very
quick TVs.

1486
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:25,500
In this vase tiniest.
They decide that you know, the

1487
01:25:25,500 --> 01:25:28,100
farmers are bad.
I think it's the same in lots of

1488
01:25:28,108 --> 01:25:31,400
different countries.
Now, you know, because you know,

1489
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:35,600
the cows are bad because you
know, like they have flouted

1490
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:37,500
it's like out right?
Yeah.

1491
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:40,600
So yeah.
So, you know, so they said that

1492
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:43,100
basically.
They have to the farmers and the

1493
01:25:43,100 --> 01:25:45,500
farmers were Dutch Farmers, like
they produce a lot.

1494
01:25:45,500 --> 01:25:51,400
I think it's in the order of
like, 30% of of cattle Farms

1495
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:56,900
need to be cruise down by 2030.
They said so to have to have

1496
01:25:56,900 --> 01:26:01,600
nitrogen emissions as so that's
where the you decided and they

1497
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:06,100
said so they have to shut down
the farms and if they don't what

1498
01:26:06,100 --> 01:26:08,200
we have to sell them.
So basically there they can

1499
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:13,300
either sell the land to restate
or if they don't do it later on,

1500
01:26:13,300 --> 01:26:16,600
it would be they would the state
would take the land from them by

1501
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:20,900
force.
Now, the people and the Ducks

1502
01:26:20,900 --> 01:26:23,800
are know me, like, you know,
they, you know, they not like

1503
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:26,700
her previous Peak rebellious,
people do anything, you know,

1504
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,500
but they decide actually, they
were going to vote for that

1505
01:26:29,500 --> 01:26:35,700
party, which is the called, in
the farmer citizen movement and

1506
01:26:35,700 --> 01:26:38,800
they had some local elections
with his local elections.

1507
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:42,000
They cannot like, you know, they
send people to the Senate.

1508
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:47,700
So it's actually quite important
and they won 17 out of 17 out of

1509
01:26:47,700 --> 01:26:51,500
17. 75 seats.
So that makes it doesn't sound

1510
01:26:51,500 --> 01:26:54,300
big but that makes it a largest
party in the Senate.

1511
01:26:54,500 --> 01:26:57,300
So there's pushback.
These people like, no, we need

1512
01:26:57,300 --> 01:27:00,200
to protect our farmers and this
lot and we, you know, because

1513
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:02,400
they want, they don't want us to
eat meat anymore.

1514
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:05,600
I don't want us to, you know,
they want us to be vegan.

1515
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:10,400
They want us to eat insects
instead or you know, it's again,

1516
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:12,500
I don't care if you want to.
I got vegan friends, you know.

1517
01:27:12,500 --> 01:27:15,800
Like they come to my house.
I get some vegan stuff and I try

1518
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:17,400
to I'm like, actually this is
pretty good.

1519
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:21,100
I'm not against any of that but
don't force me to go vegan.

1520
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:24,600
My friends don't force me to,
you know, I got a friend, she

1521
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:27,600
feeds a kids, she's like, you
know, you know, and she gets a

1522
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:29,700
lot of crap from a vegan.
She's like, well, I've done for

1523
01:27:29,700 --> 01:27:32,300
us, my kids to be vegans, they
can make their own choices,

1524
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:34,100
right?
Yeah.

1525
01:27:34,900 --> 01:27:38,100
So you got yeah.
So, but I think some, you know,

1526
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,600
some people start pushing back
and I think there's, I think

1527
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:43,500
there's always always hope, you
know, when I read from the

1528
01:27:43,500 --> 01:27:45,500
Journal of these courses, you
know, like doing those Civil

1529
01:27:45,500 --> 01:27:47,800
War, I'm a, I'm on the volume
10.

1530
01:27:47,900 --> 01:27:49,700
Or something.
Now, we're doing the Civil War

1531
01:27:49,700 --> 01:27:53,600
and everything, you know, like a
there's this idea that this is

1532
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:56,600
going to be the enzyme like well
where they were wrong or maybe

1533
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:58,700
that was gonna be the end but
then God decide, you know,

1534
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:03,400
actually I'm gonna give him more
time to repent and everything.

1535
01:28:04,100 --> 01:28:06,800
They were convinced this was
going to be the starting over

1536
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:10,600
and you know we had Revelation
sing that to you know, Joseph

1537
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:12,900
received a revelation, that's
why he's going to start and then

1538
01:28:12,900 --> 01:28:16,000
everyone's going to fall and and
and I believe that's what's

1539
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:18,900
gonna that's what's going to But
there's always hope that

1540
01:28:18,900 --> 01:28:21,400
actually, we could, we could buy
more time, right?

1541
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:26,200
But, you know, I listen to
episode about the signs of time

1542
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:28,000
inside, while it doesn't look
very brilliant.

1543
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:31,100
That's it.
So I think we need to see, I see

1544
01:28:31,100 --> 01:28:34,600
that now sadly what's happening
in the UK and and the Western

1545
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:42,200
world as managing the management
of decline basic Rhino and you

1546
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:45,500
know and we I mean you know we
got lots of this sense.

1547
01:28:45,500 --> 01:28:48,800
I mean we believe in the latter
days so This cannot go on

1548
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:52,000
forever, you know?
Anyway, so we just need to be

1549
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:57,900
prepared for it, but it's, it's
interesting times, I don't

1550
01:28:57,900 --> 01:29:01,000
recognize the world and
recognize the the country, the

1551
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:02,400
city.
I live in anymore.

1552
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:06,000
Ira thing everyone, everything
has changed so much right.

1553
01:29:06,100 --> 01:29:09,500
Right now, I feel it here to it.
Did that I think that's

1554
01:29:09,500 --> 01:29:13,600
Universal for those people who
are awake, not woke awake, not

1555
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:16,600
walk awake.
Yeah, big big difference.

1556
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:19,000
I just feel like I've always
felt like a Stranger in a

1557
01:29:19,008 --> 01:29:22,100
Strange Land, you know, because
of my circumstances, you know,

1558
01:29:22,100 --> 01:29:25,500
being French and UK being a
Mormon, being all the things and

1559
01:29:25,500 --> 01:29:29,900
all that, you know, but I really
feel like gosh, I'm so I don't

1560
01:29:29,900 --> 01:29:33,800
feel lonely, but I do feel like
they isolated so 80.

1561
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:37,400
Do I need to do?
You know, it's like, in a way

1562
01:29:37,500 --> 01:29:40,400
lockdown was not bad for me.
Personally, on a personal level,

1563
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:43,500
I hated it from a political
point of view, when everything

1564
01:29:43,500 --> 01:29:45,600
was happening.
But you know, it's like, dude, I

1565
01:29:45,608 --> 01:29:47,800
get to stay at home.
I don't need to see people.

1566
01:29:47,900 --> 01:29:51,900
I don't want to see, I got my
books, I can't, you know, I got

1567
01:29:51,900 --> 01:29:55,000
the internet, I still work, I
can still work from home.

1568
01:29:55,500 --> 01:29:57,300
That's fine.
I don't need to go out and see

1569
01:29:57,300 --> 01:29:58,900
the world.
I don't want that.

1570
01:29:58,900 --> 01:30:01,600
You know, I think that's did
difficulty when you're

1571
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:04,700
fundamentalist in in Europe,
when I got people reported

1572
01:30:04,700 --> 01:30:07,000
missing.
I think I'm a fundamentalist I'm

1573
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:11,300
like, well, it's a very lonely
road, you know, because you say

1574
01:30:11,300 --> 01:30:13,600
is it having meetings?
Can I join a group?

1575
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,800
I'm like I don't think you can.
I don't think anyone.

1576
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:20,500
Like if you said his do, In
Britain who has reached up,

1577
01:30:20,500 --> 01:30:22,500
that's fantastic.
It's going to be two of us now.

1578
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:25,700
I love that but you know it's
like well you're going to be on

1579
01:30:25,700 --> 01:30:30,100
your or I think death could part
is really like, but you were not

1580
01:30:30,100 --> 01:30:32,300
supposed to be in the world
rights and I think the love

1581
01:30:32,300 --> 01:30:36,200
Gathering is not just so you can
get out of Babylon and and, you

1582
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:39,900
know, it's Kevin calamities and
I think it's also because you

1583
01:30:39,900 --> 01:30:41,500
may need to be with other
people.

1584
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:45,000
You braving it going to to teach
you and support you.

1585
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:47,600
I think any so much sometimes
when I listen to your podcast my

1586
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:50,800
God Gosh, I didn't know that I
speak to some friends over

1587
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:54,000
family, friends and I say things
are like, well, what about that?

1588
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:56,300
Like, gosh, I never thought
about it this way.

1589
01:30:56,900 --> 01:31:00,800
Yeah, yeah, you need to be with
your people as well, because we

1590
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:07,500
have to work together.
But, you know, so I of course I

1591
01:31:07,508 --> 01:31:11,000
don't get that here and you
know, I need to do my own thing,

1592
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:16,000
but it's very difficult to
navigate because you're like,

1593
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,500
well at the same time, I don't
want to be in the But you know

1594
01:31:18,500 --> 01:31:19,400
what?
I've got a job.

1595
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:22,000
So I'm going to be with people,
I'm going to be with Gentiles

1596
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:24,000
all day long, all my friends
here.

1597
01:31:24,300 --> 01:31:27,700
Otherwise a what's your?
I'm going to be at all her meat

1598
01:31:27,700 --> 01:31:30,100
and not go to work and not speak
to anybody.

1599
01:31:30,100 --> 01:31:32,400
Not having any friends and
having any relationship so many

1600
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:36,100
kinds I mean so you always need
to make sure you know like

1601
01:31:36,100 --> 01:31:39,300
you're it's like if I didn't
song you know you got to serve

1602
01:31:39,300 --> 01:31:42,000
somebody but devil or God or
something you know but you need

1603
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:45,100
you got to stop somebody and I
always trying to think okay well

1604
01:31:45,100 --> 01:31:47,700
am I doing okay, I'm actions or
Kaiba.

1605
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:52,000
Before the Lord because yeah
they had times you need to put

1606
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:53,000
mice.
You know where I mean, not

1607
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:56,300
compromising a fundamental level
but you know, you do you with

1608
01:31:56,300 --> 01:31:57,800
people.
You know, do things are you

1609
01:31:57,800 --> 01:31:59,700
wouldn't do.
But hey, you know, it's either

1610
01:31:59,700 --> 01:32:01,600
that or you're never socialize
with anyone.

1611
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:04,700
I spend a lot of time on my own
but you can't just be on your

1612
01:32:04,700 --> 01:32:06,300
lava time.
It's going to be going to be

1613
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:08,800
going to be healthy, you know,
it's pretty mentally healthy as

1614
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:10,400
well.
Like it's not, it's not good,

1615
01:32:10,500 --> 01:32:14,200
just to be to isolated but I
think for me like a Sundays, I

1616
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:16,800
really the day that I said
apart, I really observe it in a

1617
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:19,400
way that Other people may not
doing this.

1618
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:24,700
Well, I don't go out, I don't I,
you know, I go on social media

1619
01:32:24,700 --> 01:32:27,400
and this and that, but I really
said that time apart.

1620
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:30,500
I read from the scriptures.
I would pray several times.

1621
01:32:30,500 --> 01:32:33,800
I would read from the Journal of
discourses and listen to hymns

1622
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:35,400
and stuff.
You know, Andre said that

1623
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:38,500
they're apart and maybe I
wouldn't need to do that.

1624
01:32:38,500 --> 01:32:43,600
If I was in Utah, if I had a few
people, a few of my brother, not

1625
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:45,900
there, but because I'm on my own
Irene too.

1626
01:32:47,500 --> 01:32:50,800
In a way, it rededicate myself
to the Lord and I know or get

1627
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:55,700
this spiritual nourishment and
this energy and for the week

1628
01:32:55,700 --> 01:33:00,100
ahead righto because the all day
in the world and I need to be

1629
01:33:00,100 --> 01:33:03,800
equipped.
Yeah yeah I think that's a good

1630
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:06,700
thing even if you are surrounded
by your people, right?

1631
01:33:06,700 --> 01:33:10,900
Just shut it down, just shut it
down for a day and get close

1632
01:33:10,900 --> 01:33:14,300
with God and it's pretty good.
I mean, I love my Sunday's

1633
01:33:14,300 --> 01:33:16,600
they're my favorite day of the
week, right?

1634
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:21,500
Right, you know.
Do you you talked about people

1635
01:33:21,500 --> 01:33:24,000
coming to you saying?
I think I'm a fundamentalist,

1636
01:33:24,300 --> 01:33:26,100
how often does that happen out
there?

1637
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:31,300
Well so I got I got two websites
out there, wanting duration,

1638
01:33:31,300 --> 01:33:36,100
wanting French.
And so I got people from a lot

1639
01:33:36,100 --> 01:33:40,000
of different from Australia.
Actually do contain, he doesn't

1640
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:46,000
happen that often Maybe.
I would say one or two every six

1641
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:50,700
months and they would ask him
questions and I guide them to

1642
01:33:50,700 --> 01:33:54,000
you know some Facebook groups or
two, you know I got your

1643
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:57,200
podcasting there in the webpage
that I but I have you know, like

1644
01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:01,300
a with lots of resources and but
a lot of times people want to

1645
01:34:01,300 --> 01:34:03,700
meet people, they want to be
GoToMeeting.

1646
01:34:03,700 --> 01:34:06,200
They want to receive audiences
here and there and I'm like

1647
01:34:07,700 --> 01:34:09,000
there's nobody there.
I'm afraid.

1648
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:15,000
So you're gonna have to wait or
travel But you do get people,

1649
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:19,900
you know, I get French people
contact me as well, and but it's

1650
01:34:19,900 --> 01:34:22,500
kind of like, on and off, and
they're not so sure.

1651
01:34:22,500 --> 01:34:25,600
I Think It's Tricky, you know,
like a it's very tricky.

1652
01:34:25,700 --> 01:34:28,500
But at the same time, I don't
think there's been any better

1653
01:34:28,500 --> 01:34:31,600
time to be a fundamentalist, odd
side, the United States.

1654
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:34,500
Because now, I don't like you
and I are speaking here now face

1655
01:34:34,500 --> 01:34:37,900
to face in the past even 20
years ago and I would be maybe

1656
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:40,000
like 20 years ago, been letters
or something.

1657
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:43,100
I mean, you know, I will take
three weeks to cross the Ian, I

1658
01:34:43,100 --> 01:34:46,200
remember that when I would to my
missionary up there and

1659
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:48,600
everything I would take three
weeks to receive stuff.

1660
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:51,600
And so, you know what?
Because of the internet you

1661
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:54,200
don't need, you don't need to
order books from the state's.

1662
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:56,700
You've got everything here at
your fingertips, can access the

1663
01:34:56,700 --> 01:34:58,800
Journal of discourses, I read?
I'm old-fashioned.

1664
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:01,200
I like books.
So I read them, you know, in our

1665
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:04,900
book format and stuff, I saved
up to to buy them, but access to

1666
01:35:05,100 --> 01:35:08,100
absolutely everything.
So there's never been a better

1667
01:35:08,100 --> 01:35:11,900
time to be a fundamentalist
outside the United States.

1668
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:16,500
Before you before we jump off,
I'll make sure I send you a

1669
01:35:16,500 --> 01:35:20,300
link.
The the church I attend.

1670
01:35:20,300 --> 01:35:27,900
We we put our meetings out on
Zoom so if anybody wants to join

1671
01:35:27,900 --> 01:35:29,700
that they're more than welcome
to.

1672
01:35:29,700 --> 01:35:33,700
I can I can usually make that
available pretty of a live.

1673
01:35:34,300 --> 01:35:35,200
Yes.
They are.

1674
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:37,900
Like yeah probably being bad
when you have them you see.

1675
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:39,600
See ya that I guess.
Yeah.

1676
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:40,800
The issue.
Yep.

1677
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:43,000
Yep.
But yeah.

1678
01:35:43,100 --> 01:35:46,000
Oh, that's that I could I could
try like sometime though.

1679
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:51,300
Like you know let me do this.
Let me talk to some people

1680
01:35:51,300 --> 01:35:55,900
higher up and see if maybe
that's not something we can do

1681
01:35:55,900 --> 01:36:04,700
to make those available on a
recording because I would hate I

1682
01:36:04,708 --> 01:36:07,800
would hate to see people who
have a desire for the fullness.

1683
01:36:08,500 --> 01:36:12,700
Not be able to at least sample.
It on on Zoom.

1684
01:36:13,100 --> 01:36:16,400
I think it's it's vitally
important.

1685
01:36:18,300 --> 01:36:21,100
And like I said, I really do
feel in my gut.

1686
01:36:21,500 --> 01:36:26,600
We're going to see another wave
of You serve immigration and

1687
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:30,200
start and stop immigration over
over of a religious Exodus again

1688
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:33,500
within the Mormonism coming out
of Europe.

1689
01:36:33,500 --> 01:36:37,200
I just I feel it.
Everything in me likewise, I do

1690
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:41,000
feel like that that more people
in the states are waking up to,

1691
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:44,600
to fundamentalism.
Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't

1692
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:47,600
have any people contact but even
like fun in the you carry

1693
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:51,700
something like less 150,000
people while members of the LDS

1694
01:36:51,700 --> 01:36:53,800
church, so just to have like a
few of them.

1695
01:36:53,900 --> 01:36:57,400
Them every year contacting me or
saying this and that I mean I

1696
01:36:57,400 --> 01:37:01,600
think it's that's a healthy.
That'll yeah, 22 people every

1697
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:04,100
six months.
That's that's actually probably

1698
01:37:04,100 --> 01:37:05,600
a pretty healthy.
Yeah.

1699
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:08,500
Percentage.
And I guess they see like what I

1700
01:37:08,500 --> 01:37:09,600
said, you know, I was in the
state's.

1701
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:13,400
I was scared of what the world
was lying ahead and I think I

1702
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:15,900
had the advantage.
I was blessed with having

1703
01:37:15,900 --> 01:37:17,700
contacts.
Are I have been there?

1704
01:37:17,900 --> 01:37:20,100
I think tried it, you know,
speaking to people having been

1705
01:37:20,100 --> 01:37:22,400
there before.
So for me, it avoid it was

1706
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:23,800
scary.
It's like I didn't feel very

1707
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:26,000
Skinner like wow, it's never
going to happen, it's not worth

1708
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:28,400
it, you know, I should.
Yeah.

1709
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:31,300
You know, I always tell people I
know of anyone, you know, is

1710
01:37:31,300 --> 01:37:34,300
this thing.
I'm willing to travel if, you

1711
01:37:34,300 --> 01:37:36,900
know, people I was saying, you
know, this guy wanting to be

1712
01:37:36,900 --> 01:37:39,200
baptized in France.
I'm like, there's no problem.

1713
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:43,500
I can, I can come to France, I
can do it, I'm happy to do it.

1714
01:37:43,700 --> 01:37:48,700
So if there's anyone, you know,
in Europe because I don't know

1715
01:37:48,700 --> 01:37:51,600
if it was, I don't want to be
the only one, but I think I

1716
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:54,600
might be the only one at the
moment but people, I can contact

1717
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:59,300
to receive some ordinances, you
definitely the most out front.

1718
01:37:59,300 --> 01:38:03,300
That's that's for sure.
So, but I think I think that's

1719
01:38:03,300 --> 01:38:06,200
about to change.
I think, I honestly think you're

1720
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:08,500
about to get some help.
Wow.

1721
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:12,800
Yes, I'd like, I'd love that.
I love that, so yeah, yeah,

1722
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:15,000
yeah.
So maybe in a year time, we can

1723
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:17,800
have another episode.
I can give you an update on

1724
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:19,700
that.
Absolutely, I would be, I'd love

1725
01:38:19,700 --> 01:38:22,500
to just, you know, I had some
people visiting from the states

1726
01:38:22,500 --> 01:38:26,400
were friends or friends and And
we had our own meeting in my in

1727
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:30,500
my living room and it was just
just the three of us, but I

1728
01:38:30,500 --> 01:38:32,700
loved it.
I'm like I never get to do that.

1729
01:38:32,700 --> 01:38:36,000
You know, only when I traveled
to the states and I haven't been

1730
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:40,400
in the last five years.
So I'm hoping to go next summer.

1731
01:38:40,700 --> 01:38:43,200
That's kind of what I'm trying
to do and hopefully I can meet

1732
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:47,400
you and other people there.
But but yeah, you know, I think

1733
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:49,900
it, I think it is important to
have that.

1734
01:38:49,900 --> 01:38:53,400
So I'm willing to travel for
that and I hope we have more

1735
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:57,300
people.
'Well, you know, waking up and,

1736
01:38:57,300 --> 01:38:59,600
and I think the problem is that,
you know, the LDS church is

1737
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:01,600
changing so much and used to
make me angry.

1738
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:04,100
And I just makes me really,
really sad.

1739
01:39:04,100 --> 01:39:07,200
Yeah, I don't recognize it, and
I think some people are probably

1740
01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:10,200
in the same position and they
thinking well, actually, I

1741
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:13,200
believe they go along with it
with the changes.

1742
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:16,100
I know people were perfectly
happy do that, or they

1743
01:39:16,100 --> 01:39:18,200
questioned them and they're
like, well actually, I don't

1744
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:19,600
believe in it and I'm just
going.

1745
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:22,600
It's changing too much and it's
not and then live a church or

1746
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:24,100
together.
And actually, I know Would be

1747
01:39:24,100 --> 01:39:27,100
sharp.
We actually decided to give up,

1748
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:29,200
right?
And there are people who would

1749
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:33,100
say, well, actually now that I
find out about this Ava

1750
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doctrines, they don't teach
anymore, or that they've changed

1751
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:41,100
yet again, then I'm going to
become a fundamentalist, right?

1752
01:39:41,500 --> 01:39:43,000
You're right.
I think you're right, we'll see

1753
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:45,200
more people coming coming
forward.

1754
01:39:45,700 --> 01:39:49,700
Yeah, absolutely.
Dude, that was awesome.

1755
01:39:49,700 --> 01:39:53,200
That was fun.
Yeah, Rejoice to thank you for

1756
01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:55,500
giving me this opportunity.
Really enjoy that.

1757
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:58,100
And I tell everybody, I'm sure
is a lot more things I want to

1758
01:39:58,100 --> 01:40:02,000
say, and probably more in a more
eloquent way, but never modeled

1759
01:40:03,700 --> 01:40:08,000
you, you did great.
So I tell everybody this and I

1760
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:10,700
mean, it you've been on once you
have a standing invitation to

1761
01:40:10,708 --> 01:40:14,100
come back on, you just need to
tell me when, all right, I will

1762
01:40:14,100 --> 01:40:15,800
thank you very much.
Appreciate that.

1763
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Thank you, Fabian by.
Hey, thank You, you take care by

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now?
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Renegade podcast.
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Renegade podcast.