Episode #55: The Infiltration of Our Churches, Schools, & Institutions W/Julie Behling Part 2

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Welcome back to part 2 of my
conversation with Julie be

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dealing in this episode, Julie.
And I go deep into the roots of

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Communism.
We talked about the ideology,

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the practice and the failed
Promises of Communism.

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We then take a deeper dive into
the infiltration of Communism

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into America.
After that, we talk about the

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war in Ukraine and break down
and look at the roots of the

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conflict.
Finally, we wrap up by

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discussing what we as Americans
can do to stop them.

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March of Communism in America
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So Julie, first again, thanks
for coming back on my pleasure,

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Julie.
First off, thanks for writing

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that book.
That is not that must not have

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been an easy book to write.
What about what was the most

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challenging part of it?
For you?

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Definitely the most challenging
part?

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I mean, all of it had its
challenges, but the most

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challenging part was the ending
finish.

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Well, not the ending of the book
with the what I did last, which

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was exactly a year ago when I
was catching up the marks.

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First incursion into our
education and our culture in

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America to our modern day.
And there's just so many

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different rabbit holes and I had
to make sure that I was being

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thorough without going too far
down any rabbit holes and

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getting lost and also just
realizing how far gone things

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are and where that a very late
stage right now much later than

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what I wrote most of my book in
2010-2011 like where we're at

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now.
It's just you know, exponential.

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I think we talked about that
last time.

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And so to try to do justice, to
what's happened to our

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education, and the origins of
that, that was probably the

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hardest part.
I got.

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You know, I would it's tough to
look at that stuff because as

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you look at it, despite how hard
we try it seeps in and in you

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know, not to the point of
turning you to that.

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But I'm a big believer in what
you look at a lot of times will

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will somehow find its way into
your soul.

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And, and it takes us and
especially courageous person to

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be able to look at the ugly
stuff, call it out by name and

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then and then kind of bear those
consequences a little bit.

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We talked last time and you had
you had went on your mission to

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Russia and that's where where
you kind of get your first idea

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of what communism was versus
versus what it was portrayed.

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As I want to go back to that
early days of communism a little

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bit because sometimes we can't
figure out where we are without

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seeing where we've been or what
the what the Genesis of the

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story is so to speak.
For those who haven't read Marx,

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who haven't, you know, whether
that was The Communist Manifesto

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or Das kapital or any of those
other books that that he had

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wrote?
Is is the spread of Communism

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really essential to Marx's
ideas.

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Because I think people have this
idea that that communism is

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something that that country is
trying to do and it doesn't

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necessarily affect us, but I
don't think that's the case.

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Am I wrong on that?
Um, I don't know that I can

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answer that question.
I mean, the way that I see

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Marxism it's the Playbook to
achieve communism.

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Okay.
It's the it's the Playbook to

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that that marks delineate adhan
to to pit groups of people

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against Powers but pit oppressed
people sometimes legitimately so

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sometimes maybe not as
legitimately pit.

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The oppressed people, the masses
against the power structures to

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tear down the power structures
and then call me.

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Them communist government can
come in and and fill in the

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void.
That's kind of how I understand

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it.
Okay.

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Because I was always under the
understanding that in order for

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for communism to do what it
wants to do, it has to have kind

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of a global Revolution, right?
Oh yeah, for sure.

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And I guess that's where I was
getting at.

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It's not enough for just You
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becoming a store or China to
become.

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Yes.
What what is it in that thought

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process?
That makes it makes it intrinsic

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that this idea of Communism
spread well it's a me communism

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is like the inversion of
Christianity of true

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Christianity and just as
Christianity, which is to

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spread.
But it does though through free

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will, at least true Christianity
uses free will.

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To proselytize, communism uses,
force, and violence to, to

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spread its evil message.
It's just an improvement in

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version of Christianity, and
it's pretty apparent to me after

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studying communism and seeing
what it does that it is inspired

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by not by God.
That's for sure, inspired by

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Satan, if you wanted me to be
direct about it, no II

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appreciate that.
Because, just a couple months

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ago, I got done reading a book
called The Devil and Karl Marx,

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mmm, which, which was a deep
dive on on what what Marx is

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beliefs Works, whether you're
religious or not or whether you

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consider yourself religious or
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I think everybody somewhat
religious, right?

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Yeah, it just depends on what
you're going to.

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To fixate that on.
Are you going to fix that fixate

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on God or you going to fixate on
something else.

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Anyway, in this book, he talks
about like, marks his favorite

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play was the Faust about when
Faust sells his soul, to the

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devil and mom.
The other thing I didn't know

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about Marx, was that he was also
a playwright and He basically,

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like took the the Faustian
bargain to another level in, in

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his, all this plays, not in his
poetry, it's fascinating book,

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but it doesn't surprise me.
I mean, you clearly see, you

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know, the whole scripture by
their fruits, you shall know

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them.
I mean, the fruits of Marxism is

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death and destruction,
enslavement of humanity.

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So yeah.
Great.

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Well yeah.
So when do the, when do the

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Communist really take over
Russia?

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When did they take over Russia?
Yep.

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Well I mean the whole Russian
Revolution all of that 1917 is

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when it began there was, I'm not
100% sure on my dates but there

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was a period of years where It
was the Reds versus the whites,

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the why it was the Blue Jean de.
The people who had supported as

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are the people with money and in
the aristocracy and the Reds

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were the the Marxist, the
Communists.

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And, you know, there was Warfare
in the countryside and that was

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over a period of years.
My foot, my area of main area of

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focus was post World War Two
with Soviet history so I'm sorry

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I can't give you exact dates on.
It did take some time but you

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know the Russian populace was
really highly vulnerable to

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Communism.
They had just been I mean Russia

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just a couple decades of a few
decades before communism came

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in.
It had been a nation with

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serfdom over 80% of the
population were serves, which is

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really not much more than
Slaves.

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Just maybe like one little tiny
bit above the life of a slave.

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And so, these are people that
were mostly illiterate.

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They were people who were not
used to Freedom.

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The freedom was not really even
a concept that they could

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comprehend.
They were used to a very poor

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standard of living kind of to
give you an idea of the

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disparity between like it
because our and the aristocracy

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and the server, or the end, the
peasants, The Peasants, the

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average.
A peasant would live in a hut

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and their livestock would live
in there with them during the

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winter and there's like a stove
in the middle of the Hut, and

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it's just filled.
It's just filthy, you know,

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there was very little health
care for the peasants and the

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serfs very little schooling.
They had to till the land of the

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landowners and give most of what
they grew to the landowner, and

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they got to, you know, till a
little bit of the land for

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Themselves.
It was very dysfunctional.

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Society, very oppressive.
These were not people who were

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prepared to embrace Freedom, no
concept of that.

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So, to take over Russia and then
just make all these big promises

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over we're going to, you know,
give bread and land to all that

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was one of the slogans of the
Communists.

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So it sounded good and you know,
really easy to get a lot of

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people to go along with it and
then get them to turn against

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the power structures.
And it was not the most

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difficult Nation to subvert to
Communism, I guess is what I'm

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coming at, you know.
And I think you, you make a very

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valid point in that.
Because look, if you would have

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dropped, you know, communism.
And when I say that, I mean

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without the mask, right?
Just someone coming out in

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1950s, America and saying, you
know, hey, we're communist, it

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wouldn't have took, right?
Cuz we had seen the fruits of

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other things of capitalism of
freedom of free, markets of all

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those things.
A people has to be prepared to

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give up its freedom.
This isn't something that just

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happens overnight, he's missing.
It's a conditioning process,

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right?
Absolutely.

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That's one of the things that I
point out in my book, the

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similarities between how
communism took over the culture

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in Russia was pretty relatively
simple, and easy versus Erica

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will we had to be subverted over
many decades and dumbs down and

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weekend and, you know, quite a
bit of a difference between the

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average American in the 20th
century and their standard of

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living and their expectation of
Freedom versus Russian peasants

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in the beginning of the 20th
century and it's night and day

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so it's in the same.
But you know what, what marks

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laid out with Marxism, as you
know, I'm sure if there's you

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studied, I'm sure to some
degree.

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There was different iterations
of Marxism than the cultural

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marxists came out and like the
1920s 30s and they realized that

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the West was not going to fall
to Communism.

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Like they had hoped and they had
to tweak things.

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And what they how they tweaked
it was, okay, we need to

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infiltrate the institutions of
culture.

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We need to infiltrate education,
but legal institutions, the

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church, the family, and the
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We need to infiltrate the As
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start promoting communism,
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communism is just the forceful
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His name.
But the cold to Mark, says, set

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out to infiltrate institutions,
there's ample evidence that they

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were highly successful all
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had the, the neo-marxists from
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A few decades later coming out
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critical theory which morphed
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and any number of other critical
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marks as comp concept of
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which, which marks it was, the
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the blue, or the upper class.
And now, you, can you pick any?

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oppressed or who feel oppressed
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oppressed, tell them keep
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are Stoke, their anger to get
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structure with critical race
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It's people of color versus
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Critical queer Theory and gender
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It's You know, the lgbtq
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tear that system down in order
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and the family essentially.
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Prey Upon the weakness of
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Legacy of Oppression of People
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probably our easiest point, you
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were exploiting the compassion
of Americans who don't like to

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feel like they're oppressing
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So now it's easy for that for
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they're implementing to make,
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guilty for.
So if, you know, we have to do

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the gender affirming care for
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children to commit suicide.
Aside, you know, they exploit

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The Compassion of Americans and
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understand what's going on here.
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compassionate, but we have to be
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Yeah.
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describing you know this the
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Marxism, right, What I find
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work.
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versus an oppressor, whether
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And, and marks is very clear on
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conflict, right?
And it's out of this conflict

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that this new Society will will
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In fact, if I'm not mistaken
marks once wrote a poem in which

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he said, you know, I will strike
I'd like a Creator through the

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destruction in which my ideas
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So, he was very aware of this
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Conflict was just at the center
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which really raised a lot of red
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And this is the part where I
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I'll Another strike on YouTube,
but that's all right.

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When you looked at broke black
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actual organization, there was
no doubt that that thing had it

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seeds.
Sown within within that Marxist

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ideal, it took me a while to
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right?
But if you just read that first

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part in there about class
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it became very apparent and then
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you know, we We really push
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family and that it takes a
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Right?
Because the family is

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oppressive, right?
Right.

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Yep.
And then it was a couple months

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later.
When I figured out the woman

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that actually started the
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was a trained Marxist.
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And so in that you see all The
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this conflict ideology.
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it.
I is just this ideology of

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conflict.
It's led me to wonder though.

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How does it operate once it gets
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Because if you always have to
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oppressed kind of mentality, how
do you, how does that make for a

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functioning Society without
constant Bloodshed and blood

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running in the streets?
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Stalin if you look at Soviet
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power, especially during the
purges in the 30s, it, they

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Stalin took that to a very far
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just random people.
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false charges as enemies of the
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And it was a he was very
paranoid and Stalin was the

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cause of the massacre of, you
know, millions of people the

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torture the Imprisonment,
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And many of these people were
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Communist Party who were True
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just, it was just this absolute
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And is for sure, the ugliest era
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took it to that length of making
enemies and to people who were

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not enemies of that system.
And I think now took it pretty

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far, it's the purging purges of
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Society, that is a normal
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communist Nation because of that
constant struggle, right?

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And it's interesting when you
when you just compare the two

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the two theories.
Like if you look at what what

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classical liberal principles
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And when I say that, I mean like
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Jefferson, kind of classic
liberalism There was this idea

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that it didn't matter what your
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but I think an honest assessment
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It was a struggle.
It wasn't something that that

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all of them were necessarily
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Absolutely.
But you, you get this sense that

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they're looking towards
something where everyone's going

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to identify as American
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Of their, their nationality,
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Whatever the case is, so you had
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Unity, right?
It was it was revolutionary in

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its idea because it was through
this idea of kind of rugged

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individualism that we could all
come together as a community

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which seems counterintuitive on
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well for a long time and then
you what's Free Will as a

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centerpiece of that.
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Absolutely.
The hinge point, if you will,

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which everything else rested on
and then you had communism,

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which was kind of Unity by
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Right.
You'll agree with us or we'll

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send you to a gulag or you know,
absolutely something like that.

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So did you ever study anything
about Chinese Marxism because

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that's where we're or Chinese
communism?

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Because that's really where.
Where the next big revolution

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happened right outside.
Outside of Russia, I have not

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studied it in depth.
I've studied it, I am learning

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about it as I go and it's
there's definitely episodes of

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maoism, you know, in the
cultural revolution in China

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that are just as shocking and
horrific as what happened in the

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Soviet Union.
Now definitely was inspired by

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Stalin and you know it's
something that I am interested

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in learning more about but I
can't speak definitively on that

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as I can on the Soviet.
So Get history.

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Sure.
No, that's that's just fine,

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especially, especially once
again, my area of focus was

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Christians and the Soviet Union
were specifically, right?

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What is it about?
What is it about the idea of God

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that Communists and communism
found so abhorrent that they

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couldn't let it stand because
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And so there can be no other God
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the Socialist State.
That's wherever all the people

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have to look to the state as
their protector as their

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provider.
And the rule Giver there can be

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no other God before the state.
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That that in itself is a massive
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If you listen to what the
founders said, they were very

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clear that the rights that we
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as people weren't granted by
men, they were granted by God

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and then they were wise enough
to say, someday there's going to

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be people who don't believe in
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So, you know, will say nature or
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those lines.
But but but their major hinge

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point was If rights are a
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take them away.
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They're not man's to meddled.
And when you look at what what

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Russia was doing or communism, I
should say it was, it was trying

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to serve plant God in every way
because if God is the author of

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those, they can never be
touched.

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But if it's not, then you have
Car Blanc to do whatever you

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need to, to remake Society.
To something that you feel is

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better.
Yep, one thing that I want to

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just that came to mind that I
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We, in recent decades, in
America have gotten really

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complacent and like cam, you
know, once the Soviet Union fell

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and it's like, okay, oh, great
communism is just going to be,

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you know, it's just going to be
relegated to the Dustbin of

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history.
But if you look at like the mid

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80s, we had a third of the world
was under a communist regime.

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A third of the population of the
world lived under a Communist

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Regime, and we still do have
quite a big chunk.

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Now, China has, you know, they
made some economic changes to

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the system to kind of meld.
It's like a building between

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fascism and communism now, but
communism is, it's here, it's

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alive and well in the world.
And again, I think more of the,

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the from what I've read and
researched, it's the model of

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the melding with the She doesn't
like what China has is more of

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what the powers that be have in
mind for the world.

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Do it's not going to hold, just
like what happened in the Soviet

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Union more?
Like what modern day China is?

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I was going to say, didn't he
didn't China?

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Even give it a cute name like
State capitalism or something

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like that and made it sound.
I think that was something that

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they coined early on was was
this idea of?

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No, no, we're not Communists.
A more, we're State capitalist,

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right?
You know, we're highly.

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We're an extremely planned
economy but you know, we deal

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with capitalist principles on
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I thought it was kind of
laughable, but when, when do we

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first start seeing Communist
really begin to infiltrate the

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United States.
Well, from, from my research, it

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was really early 20th century.
Pretty, pretty early on in the

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20th century, even even in some
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of the Russian Revolution,
because we had our super

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wealthy, super Elite here that
they started funding different

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Communists to infiltrate
organizations the churches The

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Rockefellers foundation and
Carnegie those types, and they

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got control of every every
institution and not all of it

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was infiltrated with Communism
necessarily, but they were

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there.
They were infiltrating the

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churches with Communism very
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least.
And as far as education goes, I

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did an interview.
I don't know if you know who

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Alex Newman is, he's, he's
excellent.

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He has He's a reporter for the
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the epoch times and also has his
podcast a liberty Sentinel.

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And anyways, I interviewed him a
couple months ago for my

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documentary, which is based on
the content in my book, beneath

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sheep's clothing and he gave, I
asked him to give a history of

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Communism in education, America,
and he even took it.

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I learned some new things and so
that's going to be a really

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crucial part of my documentary.
But he goes so far as to say

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that the very origins of public
education in America.

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Erica were Communists in nature
that there was communism, right?

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If they from the get-go, with
the individuals who instituted

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public education in America and
it's definitely hard to hear,

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but sounds like that's the case.
The Rockefellers Carnegie's were

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very, very involved in taking
over education, at one point, I

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believe it was the 20s.
Perhaps the 30s, they were

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actually paying they were
actually paying more money to

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education in America than the
government was, they had bought

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out the system and you read, let
me see if I can find this quote

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really quickly.
I can find this quote from, I

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mean, this quote, it's just This
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Second, okay, from the
Rockefellers, general education

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00:29:08,100 --> 00:29:10,800
board mission statement from the
year 1913.

452
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:15,300
And this is in my, I have in my
book, this is a quote in our

453
00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:18,100
dreams, we have Limitless
resources, and people yield

454
00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:20,100
themselves.
With perfect disability, to our

455
00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:23,800
molding hand, the present
education conventions fade from

456
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,000
their minds and unhampered by
tradition.

457
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,700
We work, our own will Upon A
grateful and responsive rural

458
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:32,200
folk.
We shall not try to make these

459
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,900
people or any of their children.
Children into philosophers or

460
00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:36,900
men of learning or men of
science.

461
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,500
We have not to raise up from
them author or Educators poets.

462
00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:43,000
Men of letters we shall not
search for embryo.

463
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,000
Great artists painters,
musicians, nor will we cherish

464
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,300
even the humbler ambition to
raise up from them.

465
00:29:49,300 --> 00:29:51,600
Among from, from among them
lawyers.

466
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,300
Doctors preachers politicians.
Statesmen of whom we now have

467
00:29:55,300 --> 00:29:59,400
ample Supply, Basically, the
mission statement of the

468
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,100
Rockefeller, general education
board was to keep the people

469
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:07,200
subjugated to the power
structure that was already in

470
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,300
place and to mold them according
to their own well.

471
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:16,300
So and then the Rockefellers
funded various individuals do

472
00:30:16,300 --> 00:30:21,500
we, for example, and they were
educated in Prussia and they

473
00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:25,500
became educated and socialism
many of these individuals that

474
00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:28,600
started the different schools of
Education in the universities

475
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,900
Across America.
They were highly disenchanted

476
00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:38,000
with Christianity and had
embraced socialism and also had

477
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:46,700
embraced The board is, is
remember the word, but the rat

478
00:30:46,700 --> 00:30:50,300
in the cage where the rat pushes
a button and gets a palette that

479
00:30:50,300 --> 00:30:54,300
will cold happens.
When dog kind of response.

480
00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:58,700
Yeah, they Embrace that
scientific method to implement

481
00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:03,800
into the schools to basically to
see the school children as

482
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,500
animals with animalistic Minds
that was stimulus.

483
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:10,800
Response is what when it is and
to train them up.

484
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:16,400
Using that stimulus response to
make them into cogs for the

485
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,500
machine that they themselves
manage and run not to not to

486
00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:24,700
teach children to embrace their,
their own unique, talents and

487
00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:32,900
gifts and to reach for the stars
but to be subjugated and as we

488
00:31:32,900 --> 00:31:36,700
go even further we go into like
the 1950s, there's different

489
00:31:36,700 --> 00:31:40,500
experiments done.
There was an experiment done in

490
00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:45,500
some in Our city schools amongst
African-American children where

491
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:48,000
they and this was Mark,
definitely a communist.

492
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,900
They they put different things
into the reading curriculum that

493
00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:55,600
was involving like acts of
Terror and like setting things

494
00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:00,900
on fire and I think, you know,
not promoting it necessarily but

495
00:32:00,900 --> 00:32:04,200
like, teaching children to read
using stories of oh, setting

496
00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:09,000
setting the house on fire and oh
doing this and and also mocking

497
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,900
Christianity and some of these
Is and there are other

498
00:32:13,900 --> 00:32:18,700
experiment the other things that
they did to dumb down, America's

499
00:32:18,700 --> 00:32:23,400
kids with taking away, phonics
from the reading curricula, in

500
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:29,300
many cases, and just changing
things as they want and then it

501
00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:32,600
reached even more will just fast
forward and obviously glossing

502
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,500
over a lot.
But now we're let's get to like

503
00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:37,800
the late 70s and then we have
Charlotte.

504
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,400
Is there be?
Are you familiar with who she

505
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:40,700
is?
No.

506
00:32:41,900 --> 00:32:46,300
She, she was appointed by
Ronald, Reagan in his first term

507
00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:50,500
to, to the Department of
Education and Reagan had

508
00:32:50,500 --> 00:32:53,100
intended to disband, the
Department of Education.

509
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,900
And so she was called in to be
one of the people to help

510
00:32:55,900 --> 00:33:01,500
prepare it to be done away with.
And she was she she was alive up

511
00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:03,700
until she didn't die that long
ago.

512
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:08,200
There's a lot of interviews and
she wrote several books, she got

513
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,300
into that position in 1980 and
then she had access to all of

514
00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:16,900
the files and the papers and she
said, what, what she realized

515
00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:19,900
was happening with education in
America and the world was

516
00:33:19,900 --> 00:33:23,200
horrifying to her, that their
goal was to set up a

517
00:33:23,208 --> 00:33:28,400
computerized One World
curriculum, that was designed to

518
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,400
Determine the world and America,
and the world into a gigantic

519
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:41,000
fascist communist state and to
brainwash the kids and to make

520
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:46,100
sure they don't develop critical
thinking and just prepare them

521
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:47,500
for that system.
But it's coming.

522
00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:49,500
And she said, Bill Gates was
involved.

523
00:33:50,300 --> 00:33:53,500
All right, way back.
Then in the late 70s with, with

524
00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:58,000
helping set that up, way back in
the 70s, Bill Gates was involved

525
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,000
in this, Yeah.
She said as yeah as at least by

526
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,300
1979 yeah that he was involved
in.

527
00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:12,300
See here's where me years to
wrap my mind around this because

528
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:15,100
you're right as you start
looking at communism with in

529
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:19,199
America you start seeing people
that on the surface you would

530
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,800
think well, that makes no sense
why they would would go that

531
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,100
way, right?
Rockefeller Carnegie get later

532
00:34:26,100 --> 00:34:28,600
Bill Gates.
These are guys who made their

533
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,600
money.
Money in this capitalistic

534
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,500
system, right?
And so you would think that that

535
00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:37,400
by Nature, they would have court
anything that would have

536
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,500
compromised that, but what I
don't, they don't, they don't

537
00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:44,000
want other people to be able to
rise up to their level.

538
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:47,100
And right, they already have the
money, they already.

539
00:34:47,100 --> 00:34:49,699
They already have that wealth.
And now it's just the power that

540
00:34:49,699 --> 00:34:55,900
needs to be maintained right?
And, and And I guess until you

541
00:34:55,900 --> 00:35:00,300
truly understand what communism
does not what it says it's going

542
00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:04,000
to do, but what it does it
doesn't redistribute wealth

543
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,900
evenly and equitably across the
board.

544
00:35:07,100 --> 00:35:13,300
There's always those that have
The money, the power, right?

545
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:16,800
And when, once you begin to
understand that, okay, they have

546
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,100
a vested interest in which their
money, and their power may not

547
00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:27,800
necessarily be as vulnerable if
it's within this this communist

548
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:33,900
this fascist fascistic system
because they would be, they

549
00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:36,400
would be the head.
So to speak of the new Pro

550
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,300
American proletariat right where
they get to.

551
00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:43,900
Be on top, still always and
forever.

552
00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:50,200
Yeah, it's a system is a control
grid to keep the masses down and

553
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,000
to maintain power and yeah so
it's this very bizarre amalgam

554
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,700
between monopolistic capitalism
fascism and communism.

555
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:04,900
If, you know, three very
corrosive and systems and yeah,

556
00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:06,500
we don't want that.
I don't want that.

557
00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:10,000
You keep saying something that
fascinates me.

558
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:16,500
And that is you keep bumping
fascism in with Communism which

559
00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:20,500
I agree with.
But if you listen to academics,

560
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,500
they'll say well no fascism and
communism.

561
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:26,500
Those are completely different
things, you know, fascist and

562
00:36:26,500 --> 00:36:31,500
communist, don't get along.
I mean, Germany was fascist and

563
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,200
the Communists fought against
Germany in World War Two.

564
00:36:35,900 --> 00:36:39,800
Explain to, to me and to the
listeners, how it is.

565
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,700
Those two are more closely
related than they are Polar

566
00:36:43,700 --> 00:36:45,800
Opposites.
Because I think that's something

567
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,500
that's super important to
realize and I'll explain when

568
00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:50,400
you're done, why I think that
is.

569
00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:55,000
Well, I don't consider myself an
expert on fascism, but the way I

570
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,100
understand it, I mean is that
governments run the businesses

571
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,600
and they don't necessarily so in
a true communist.

572
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,200
Scenario like the Soviet Union,
you didn't have big business,

573
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,000
you just had everything.
All the industry managed by the

574
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,600
government and as far as I
understand, it a fascist system,

575
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,500
there are different businesses.
But the government has control

576
00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:25,200
is very much embedded with them
and the businesses are not

577
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,500
allowed to just do whatever they
want.

578
00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:28,200
The government has a say in
that.

579
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,600
I mean, yeah, it's not really
opposite.

580
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:36,000
It's just, it's just a Different
Twist on things, and And then

581
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,800
you add the monopolistic
capitalism.

582
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:42,400
You know, we have our Amazon and
our apple and, you know, our

583
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:50,600
Walmart and these various Mega
companies and They're making the

584
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,300
big bucks to small.
Businesses are getting the short

585
00:37:53,300 --> 00:37:56,400
end of the stick and that
probably is likely to get worse.

586
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,600
As time goes here in America.
The government's not going to

587
00:37:59,607 --> 00:38:04,300
take over Apple in terms of like
Get doing away with the logo and

588
00:38:04,300 --> 00:38:06,600
the name of it.
But to have, you know, these

589
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:11,200
Partnerships with Facebook with
Twitter, they definitely are

590
00:38:11,207 --> 00:38:15,600
doing that and it's just, it
looks like the powers that be

591
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,900
are just using whatever systems
work for.

592
00:38:19,700 --> 00:38:22,200
Amassing the most power and
wealth at the top and keeping

593
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,400
the rest of the population under
control.

594
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,800
Yeah.
I tore up.

595
00:38:28,808 --> 00:38:31,200
I'm I think I've told you this
before.

596
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,000
I've told everybody else on the
podcast.

597
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:38,700
I'm a surveyor by profession.
And one summer I tore my knee

598
00:38:38,707 --> 00:38:39,900
up.
Good tore the ACL.

599
00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:46,100
It was like a full six-month
recovery and I remember I was

600
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:48,500
just getting bored.
I'd done just as bad as much

601
00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:52,200
office work as I could do to
catch up and the guy worked for

602
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,300
he was like well you want to go
to school, you want pick up some

603
00:38:55,300 --> 00:38:57,700
more classes and I'm like, yeah,
that sounds fun.

604
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,700
He's like, tell you what, I'll
pay for half your half of

605
00:39:02,700 --> 00:39:06,000
whatever you want to take.
Well, I already have a degree in

606
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,100
land surveying.
So now I'm going to take courses

607
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:11,900
that are fun and and I'm going
to divulge just what kind of

608
00:39:11,900 --> 00:39:14,400
nerd.
I am I totally went for

609
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,700
political science, right?
And went towards towards that

610
00:39:18,700 --> 00:39:22,500
towards world, government in and
constitutional studies.

611
00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:25,000
And so, I just took a hodgepodge
of classes.

612
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,600
And when I was studying, Ying
World Government.

613
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:36,900
The thing that jumped out to me
is how ambiguous some of our

614
00:39:36,900 --> 00:39:39,200
political terms are.
Right?

615
00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:44,100
When one, we talked, about right
left in America, for the most

616
00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:48,900
part, it's still kind of within,
you know, and I'm saying, the

617
00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:52,900
average person, right?
It's still within that kind of

618
00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:57,400
19 or 1776, kind of mindset,
right?

619
00:39:57,500 --> 00:40:00,400
Right left.
On that Spectrum, when you talk

620
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,600
about right left in Europe,
you're talking about fascism and

621
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:09,500
communism, right?
And so, we use that term, right?

622
00:40:09,500 --> 00:40:11,200
And left.
And it doesn't mean the same

623
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,300
thing as it means in Europe,
right?

624
00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:18,600
So if you were to look at like a
whole scale that was nothing but

625
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:23,700
freedom and you know, the the
right side is like complete

626
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:28,800
Freedom, almost Anarchy, you
know, libertarianism You know,

627
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,400
America bump back to about here,
but then if you go to the left

628
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,900
side of that Spectrum, you have
communism on the complete end or

629
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:41,200
monarchy and then you have just
a few steps down fascism.

630
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:46,000
So, it's that an ambiguity of
terms that I think really

631
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,800
confuses a lot of people, as
well, right?

632
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,100
Like, oh well, the Communists
were against fascism Ergo.

633
00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:57,100
They must be more closely
related to up to us and that's

634
00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:58,800
not the case.
Whatsoever.

635
00:40:59,700 --> 00:41:03,700
And so I I was fascinated to
hear you want those in together

636
00:41:03,700 --> 00:41:06,400
because it you're the first
person I've talked to that

637
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,200
actually kind of recognize how
close they actually were there

638
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,800
not miles apart.
They are really really close and

639
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,600
they're just abusive to
individual rights and abusive to

640
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,800
any people that would try to
rise up and usurp the power

641
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,300
structures, right?
Right.

642
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:32,200
We tend to think that At.
Communism could never happen

643
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,700
here.
We tend to think that that it's

644
00:41:36,700 --> 00:41:41,100
one of those things that's a
European problem, right?

645
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,800
But that's not the case.
We see it coming here, we've

646
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:51,100
seen that, it's been here.
Why do you think it is?

647
00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:54,700
That Americans are so unwilling
to see the just, what kind of

648
00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:57,900
danger were really in on this
biggest problem?

649
00:41:57,900 --> 00:42:01,800
Is that educating Americans
about the nature of Communism

650
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,600
was deleted from the curricula
from all of the education from

651
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,800
beginning many, many decades
ago, maybe perhaps from the

652
00:42:09,808 --> 00:42:13,000
beginning, very specifically
that was done so that they would

653
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,200
not understand how communism and
Marxism work.

654
00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:21,200
And then we had, I mean, you
look, Hollywood and those

655
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,400
culture makers from the get-go.
You know, there were those

656
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,700
scandals that occurred with
different movie, directors,

657
00:42:26,700 --> 00:42:30,200
being found to be Communists and
there was the Red Scare of

658
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:34,400
amongst Hollywood Executives but
that was a real thing.

659
00:42:35,100 --> 00:42:39,600
They were many of them were
different, Hollywood directors.

660
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:45,900
And writers screenwriters were
recruited in like the 1920s to

661
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,400
become communist and some of
them did And they began

662
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,500
inserting that agenda into, you
know, the movies in the /

663
00:42:54,500 --> 00:42:58,100
different Productions.
And I don't know that I mean

664
00:42:58,100 --> 00:43:01,400
obviously socialism and
different ideologies, friendly

665
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,300
to Communism, have been huge in
our entertainment and now we're

666
00:43:05,300 --> 00:43:08,200
to the point of woke Insanity.
Where entertainment is just

667
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,900
putting out all this neo-marxist
drivel for preschoolers for

668
00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:16,900
children for everyone where it's
like hard to even want to watch

669
00:43:16,900 --> 00:43:21,200
a movie anymore.
It's just so absolutely overrun

670
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,300
with Neo work.
Neo-marxist, woke, ideologies,

671
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:30,700
communism again it's the wolf in
sheep's clothing that can have a

672
00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:33,600
nice appearance.
It can look nice and warm and

673
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,600
fuzzy.
And if you don't understand how

674
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,600
to look what's beneath the
surface, you can be easily duped

675
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:44,500
and communism.
Really praised on, on a lot of

676
00:43:44,500 --> 00:43:48,300
weak thing weaknesses that we
humans have to do bus.

677
00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:52,300
It's just human nature.
And so, obviously, educating

678
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:54,800
people about the true nature of
Communism is, I'm extremely

679
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,200
passionate about it.
Wrote my book, my documentary,

680
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,200
based on the content of my book,
I'm hoping to reach many, more

681
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,000
people with this information and
not just Reach people, but help

682
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,900
people, my documentary will be
used as a tool segments of it to

683
00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:12,900
help people in their local
communities to be able to

684
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:15,400
educate people.
And I have a whole I'm not going

685
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,700
to spill the beans on that, but
we really need to reach Each

686
00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:21,600
Mass numbers of people as
quickly as we can to help them

687
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:26,700
understand these agendas.
We still people a lot of people

688
00:44:26,700 --> 00:44:30,800
with good Hearts, good
compassionate Hearts have been

689
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,700
duped because it sounds like a
nice thing to help the oppressed

690
00:44:34,700 --> 00:44:37,400
of course, that sounds like a
nice thing and we do need to

691
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,300
help the oppressed.
But if it's involving violence

692
00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:47,500
and focusing on grievance and
stoking people to anger, well

693
00:44:47,500 --> 00:44:49,900
there's your red flag.
You're dealing with Marxism?

694
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:55,000
Absolutely you bring up a good
point that I don't think people

695
00:44:55,900 --> 00:44:58,000
one truly understand what
fashion.

696
00:44:58,300 --> 00:45:00,600
Excuse me.
What communism is anymore?

697
00:45:01,900 --> 00:45:04,100
Look, I was a kid when the
Berlin Wall fell?

698
00:45:04,700 --> 00:45:09,200
And I remember I was watching
cartoons and I remember, I think

699
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,700
it was Dan Rather, if I'm not
mistaken came on and said, boys

700
00:45:12,700 --> 00:45:15,000
and girls are going to want to
wake up your parents.

701
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,800
And so I went and woke up my
parents and it was He's like,

702
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,700
hey, you gotta, you gotta come
watch TV.

703
00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:23,700
I guess, I don't know they
interrupted the cartoons.

704
00:45:23,700 --> 00:45:26,600
I was super pissed.
I remember about, I remember

705
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:27,400
that.
I was like you.

706
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,800
What, what you you got rid of
the Smurfs for Dan Rather, but

707
00:45:32,300 --> 00:45:37,900
yeah, I was upset so I went and
woke up my folks. and, I

708
00:45:37,900 --> 00:45:41,000
remember my dad saying, I think
this is finally over.

709
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,400
I think we want.
And if I'm not mistaken and, and

710
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,400
one of the In the world
government class.

711
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:55,600
I was in some there was actually
a kind of a dissertation or

712
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,900
thesis wrote that really Caught
Fire Within academic circles.

713
00:45:58,900 --> 00:46:01,500
This idea of be end of time,
right?

714
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:06,700
We had defeated this, this
monolith of communist, whatever,

715
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:08,900
it's on the dust.
It's in the Dustbin of history

716
00:46:08,900 --> 00:46:11,900
on the ash Heap, but it comes
back.

717
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,800
When when you're starting to
encounter a lot of these things,

718
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:24,400
again, do you are you surprised?
It has come back.

719
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,900
Well, let me I don't know.
Did it ever really leave?

720
00:46:30,300 --> 00:46:33,400
No, no, of course not.
I mean, there's several Nations

721
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,000
that there was there, you know,
North Korea.

722
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:40,300
China, many other nations have
been communist all along.

723
00:46:40,300 --> 00:46:43,600
Yeah, it was a lot of people say
that communism just kind of went

724
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:50,100
underground in terms of It's
threat to the west but boy, in

725
00:46:50,100 --> 00:46:53,100
the last 10 years it has
certainly shown its face.

726
00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:58,100
I wasn't very politically aware.
When I was a teenager or even a

727
00:46:58,100 --> 00:47:01,900
young adult, I just was kind of
more of a generic.

728
00:47:01,900 --> 00:47:03,800
My parents were both
conservative, my dad was in the

729
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,900
military and so I had more of a
conservative leaning, but I was

730
00:47:08,900 --> 00:47:13,500
very unaware, it was really, and
truly living in Russia coming

731
00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:18,500
back, studying Soviet history.
and then building into my thesis

732
00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:22,000
and studying, you know, up to my
neck, as I say, way in primary

733
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,700
sources of the oppression of
Christians, in the Soviet Union

734
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,300
and, you know, reading all these
Horvath accounts and my major

735
00:47:30,300 --> 00:47:33,900
Professor for my Russian
language and literature, Masters

736
00:47:34,100 --> 00:47:36,500
herself being a Soviet
dissident, who escaped, the

737
00:47:36,500 --> 00:47:41,100
Soviet Union by the skin of her
teeth in the 70s and we studied

738
00:47:41,100 --> 00:47:46,900
the dissident literature of the
Soviet Union and boy, it's

739
00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:51,300
Unforgettable and it really it
really opened my eyes.

740
00:47:51,300 --> 00:47:56,600
I think in some ways I think it
was very unusual for for me to

741
00:47:56,900 --> 00:47:58,800
get that kind of education in
grad school.

742
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,700
I don't think most Russian
professors are former Soviet

743
00:48:01,700 --> 00:48:06,900
dissidents, I think there's
probably a lot more Progressive

744
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,300
type folks that are major
professors.

745
00:48:10,700 --> 00:48:13,600
Before that major Professor, the
previous head of the Russian

746
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,600
department at Florida State
where I attended was Actually

747
00:48:17,300 --> 00:48:20,300
nlds man who was one of the
first mission presidents for the

748
00:48:20,308 --> 00:48:25,200
LDS church in Moscow.
And so that whole Russian

749
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:29,600
department at Florida State was,
I think a little bit different

750
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,900
from the get-go do to him and
his legacy.

751
00:48:34,900 --> 00:48:39,000
But yeah, I had an unusual
experience as I met different

752
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,100
people who also studied Russian
history.

753
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:44,600
Even Soviet history in graduate
school and they didn't come away

754
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,700
with the same type of
understanding of Communism that

755
00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:49,100
I did.
I think it also helps that I've

756
00:48:49,107 --> 00:48:53,400
lived in Russia before and I
sorry saw the aftermath and, you

757
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,600
know, the the human toll not all
of it obviously.

758
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:02,700
But I saw a lot of relics of
Communism and what that had done

759
00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:07,800
to people and I really deeply
care about the people of Russia

760
00:49:07,900 --> 00:49:11,000
and the former Soviet Union.
And so it was very personal to

761
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,000
me.
So yeah.

762
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,000
But again, I really wasn't
politically aware at all until

763
00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:20,600
this process that occurred in my
mid-20s and kind of matured more

764
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:25,300
into my 30s, if you're
comfortable with it because I

765
00:49:25,300 --> 00:49:27,600
don't want to do anything that
you're not comfortable with

766
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,900
here.
Can you tell me about that?

767
00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:35,700
That human toll?
It took that You saw what was it

768
00:49:35,700 --> 00:49:38,600
that you saw that left, that
kind of impression.

769
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,000
I'm hoping I'm not repeat if I'm
repeating anything from our

770
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,200
previous interview, let me know
because I have a hard time

771
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,400
remembering what stuff I showed
where it's okay, I can go

772
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,100
through and hit the Ton, you're
good.

773
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,600
Well, just for example, there
was one man that we were that,

774
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,100
as a missionary in our
missionaries.

775
00:49:55,100 --> 00:49:57,700
We were working with this man in
the city of seductive, Russian

776
00:49:57,700 --> 00:50:00,800
named Carl, and he was a double
amputee.

777
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:06,400
In a wheelchair, in his 80s, the
town, the city that I lived.

778
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,300
In for much of my mission said
octave had a lot of ethnic

779
00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:11,700
Germans that instead.
And during Catherine, the Great

780
00:50:12,100 --> 00:50:16,400
and Carl had been a soldier for
the Soviet Army in World War 2.

781
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,000
And he had been taken prisoner
of a prisoner of war by the

782
00:50:20,008 --> 00:50:24,600
Nazis and subjected to horrific
treatment, then he was liberated

783
00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:26,500
from that.
But then what the Soviet Union

784
00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:29,600
did is because Carl and people
like him were ethnic Germans.

785
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,200
They were assumed to be spies
now for the, for the Germans,

786
00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:36,700
and then he was taken to the
gulag in the Soviet Union.

787
00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:41,600
After he'd been freed from the
Because never a prisoner of war

788
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,000
camp.
And so he spent years in the

789
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:47,600
gulag after that he was a very
deeply, traumatized individual.

790
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:53,700
And I met a lot of deeply.
Traumatized older people.

791
00:50:55,700 --> 00:50:59,700
I'm saw a lot of mental illness
more than I was Ted seen in

792
00:50:59,700 --> 00:51:02,500
America.
And I a lot of people that would

793
00:51:02,500 --> 00:51:07,400
just be come to start crying
talking about their past and I

794
00:51:07,408 --> 00:51:10,400
even met this this really
interesting Russian couple of I

795
00:51:10,408 --> 00:51:13,200
lived in Salt Lake and I had a,
I had a holistic healing

796
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:19,500
practice and this was about 10
years ago and I had done some

797
00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:21,700
work with this woman.
And she talking about her

798
00:51:21,700 --> 00:51:26,000
childhood in stalinist Russia.
She was just bawling and there's

799
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:30,300
just so much trauma and way that
I came to see Russia after my

800
00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:33,800
mission and during my studies
and now I see Russia as a very

801
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,800
end, not just Russia, all the
former Soviet republics very

802
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:41,400
deeply traumatized, the people
are dealing Dealing with massive

803
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,100
trauma at a generational level
and they don't even quite

804
00:51:45,100 --> 00:51:47,000
understand it.
I think maybe part of what's

805
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,700
going on there now is connected
with that.

806
00:51:49,700 --> 00:51:53,500
Obviously there's much more to
that but it's a people very

807
00:51:53,500 --> 00:51:57,100
traumatized by their history and
then the Soviet Union fell and

808
00:51:57,100 --> 00:51:59,900
then they just had to kind of
move on with their lives into

809
00:52:00,300 --> 00:52:02,900
this new era.
But there was never a reckoning

810
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:08,200
there was never A chance for the
for the people to heal at a

811
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:13,300
generational level and and one
of the things that I did with my

812
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:16,300
holistic healing practice, and
I'm still to some degree.

813
00:52:16,300 --> 00:52:20,000
Now is generational healing and
understanding how the traumas of

814
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,500
our ancestors is passed down to
us and impacts Us in different

815
00:52:24,500 --> 00:52:29,300
ways and there are ways to heal
from that so that that's kind of

816
00:52:29,300 --> 00:52:37,500
my understanding on that.
Just a lot of older people who

817
00:52:37,500 --> 00:52:39,600
are very traumatized.
Many of the mentally ill.

818
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,400
You said there was never a
reckoning that allowed those

819
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,800
people to heal in your mind.
What would that Reckoning of

820
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,900
been?
I mean, what could have happened

821
00:52:48,900 --> 00:52:53,500
to to help that healing process?
Well, if you look at Germany and

822
00:52:53,500 --> 00:52:57,000
I guess I'm not an expert on
Germany, but after after the

823
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,000
horrors of, you know, Nazism and
Hitler there, the Nuremberg

824
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,800
trials and there was a reckoning
of some degree where the Nazis

825
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,400
had To make amends and there was
a some of them, not all of them.

826
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:14,100
Obviously held accountable for
those horrific Deeds that this

827
00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:17,600
never something that took place
in the former Soviet Union.

828
00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:22,500
There was never no one was ever
held accountable for and perhaps

829
00:53:22,500 --> 00:53:24,700
the people that should have been
held accountable were no longer

830
00:53:24,700 --> 00:53:30,500
alive but there was never a full
Reckoning of the human toll of

831
00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:36,000
the gulag and all those abuses
of the Soviet system. there were

832
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,300
some organizations that would
try to bring attention to those

833
00:53:40,300 --> 00:53:46,700
things, but It was not it was
there was never any big moment

834
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:53,300
of national Reckoning Russia.
The other states, the Republic

835
00:53:53,300 --> 00:53:56,300
is why do you think that is was
was the rest of the world just

836
00:53:56,300 --> 00:54:00,100
ready to be done with the threat
of Russia and let's move on what

837
00:54:00,100 --> 00:54:02,800
was it?
That didn't allow for that

838
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:07,000
moment because you're right with
with Germany and and even later

839
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:12,700
Wars, we've been in, you know,
with with Iraq or Afghanistan.

840
00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:16,000
There was a bit of Reckoning
that took place, right?

841
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,300
You did have have a trial for
Saddam Hussein.

842
00:54:19,300 --> 00:54:24,600
You had a trial for the Nazis.
You had, you know, trials for

843
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,900
certain, Taliban leaders, and Al
Qaeda leaders.

844
00:54:27,900 --> 00:54:30,500
What was it about?
Russia's circumstance.

845
00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:32,600
That wouldn't allow for that to
happen.

846
00:54:33,500 --> 00:54:36,300
Well, I thought about that and I
think there's a few different

847
00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:37,400
things.
First of all.

848
00:54:41,300 --> 00:54:44,400
We were allied with the Soviet
Union in World War Two, America

849
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,700
was and Britain.
And that was during Stalin's era

850
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,100
and that was during Stalin's,
most brutal.

851
00:54:51,100 --> 00:54:54,200
I mean it was we were sending
them food.

852
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:58,300
We were, we were, we were aiding
and abetting Stalin and I don't

853
00:54:58,300 --> 00:55:01,100
think the West wants to dredge
that up.

854
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:02,800
I don't think they want that
known.

855
00:55:03,700 --> 00:55:05,900
Yeah, we did it in the name of
taking out a monster.

856
00:55:05,900 --> 00:55:07,700
But who would, which was the
worst monster?

857
00:55:07,700 --> 00:55:10,900
I mean, it's hard to say that.
If one is worse than the other,

858
00:55:10,900 --> 00:55:14,000
they're both terrible.
I mean, I suppose you could go

859
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:18,900
buy raw numbers and I think
Stalin did did beat Hitler that

860
00:55:18,900 --> 00:55:20,900
way.
I hate to turn it that way but

861
00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:23,500
he did.
He did surpass Hitler's numbers

862
00:55:23,500 --> 00:55:27,100
that way.
Yeah, Soviets never had gas

863
00:55:27,100 --> 00:55:29,100
Chambers.
I guess they had that going for

864
00:55:29,100 --> 00:55:32,100
them but there are there are
things that I've seen.

865
00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:34,300
I watched a documentary number
of years ago, where Hitler

866
00:55:34,300 --> 00:55:37,000
actually gave credit to Stalin
for inspiring, his hatred of

867
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,000
Jews and desire to exterminate
them.

868
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:45,100
There were I mean there was a
the Jews and Ukraine especially

869
00:55:45,100 --> 00:55:49,100
I mean many of them were
executed and Stalin was very

870
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:56,700
anti-jew but so the West I don't
think wants wants to put that

871
00:55:56,700 --> 00:56:01,000
out there, I think.
And then also the gulag then

872
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,800
there's the whole aspect of
there are powers that be that

873
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,000
don't want to educate people on
communism.

874
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,800
So they don't want to bring
attention to the gulag.

875
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,400
I mean, I didn't know what the
gulag was.

876
00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:14,300
Was I I was a college graduate.
This is before my mission I

877
00:56:14,300 --> 00:56:16,400
didn't I don't think I heard I
don't remember when I first

878
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,100
heard of the gulag probably
wasn't out when I was a

879
00:56:18,100 --> 00:56:21,200
missionary it's not common
knowledge like the Nazi

880
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:25,400
concentration camps that every
school child in America learned

881
00:56:25,700 --> 00:56:29,600
what happened there and you know
read The Diary of Anne Frank,

882
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,100
nothing like that here in
America.

883
00:56:32,700 --> 00:56:35,400
So we're not very connected and
then when communism fell I think

884
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,700
we were just kind of glad I
think it just wanted to be swept

885
00:56:37,700 --> 00:56:41,800
under the rug and And it would
did not directly impact

886
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:47,700
Americans.
The fact that There were those

887
00:56:47,700 --> 00:56:51,100
horrific labor and prison camps
throughout the Soviet Union.

888
00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:56,900
Whereas with the Nazis, it was
Americans who liberated, you

889
00:56:56,900 --> 00:57:00,700
know, and who saw firsthand some
of those Nazi concentration

890
00:57:00,700 --> 00:57:04,700
camps and so that could not be
ignored in America.

891
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:09,300
So what are the differences that
I've thought of gotcha?

892
00:57:10,700 --> 00:57:15,300
I think the other part that
because we're not educated on

893
00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:20,300
communism.
Is this idea that communism is

894
00:57:20,300 --> 00:57:25,100
the the cure-all for any sort of
social element that's out there?

895
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:31,600
And so for just a few minutes, I
want to pick your brain on on if

896
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,200
Russia was truly and cuz I use
Russia because I feel like it

897
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:40,800
was the purest form of Communism
that the world had seen for a

898
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,400
while.
You know, I don't think China

899
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,400
has come close to it.
They they obviously were

900
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,600
pragmatic enough to understand.
They had to turn a few levers to

901
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,400
become less communist.
I still ascertain.

902
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,900
They are communists.
But, you know, communist light.

903
00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:04,300
mom, what Did Communism often
talks about you know, hey we're

904
00:58:04,700 --> 00:58:10,400
we're completely engaged in this
idea of getting rid of racism.

905
00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:14,800
Did Russia ever Really get to
that point.

906
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,300
I have a lot of thoughts about
Russia and racism.

907
00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:24,700
I have to say so I went to
college at Florida State which

908
00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:27,400
is in Tallahassee Florida which
is Deep South.

909
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,800
It was 45 minutes.
South of the Florida Georgia

910
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,900
border, right?
And I went there for my

911
00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:35,900
undergraduate and I did my
Master's there but I moved there

912
00:58:35,900 --> 00:58:41,000
in 1993 to start college and I
grew up all over America and my

913
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,700
dad was in the military.
I go to Florida State, Deep

914
00:58:43,700 --> 00:58:48,100
South and I feel like shocked at
the Racism that I saw in

915
00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:49,800
Tallahassee.
There's literally another side

916
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,000
of the train tracks where
there's a black University and

917
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,500
it was just jarring for me.
My best friend in high school

918
00:58:56,500 --> 00:59:02,200
was black, I grew up My whole
upbringing was not hyper

919
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:03,800
focusing on race, it was not
really a thing.

920
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,300
So it was weird to go live in
the Deep South and see the

921
00:59:06,300 --> 00:59:08,500
racism there.
But then I went to Russia on my

922
00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:15,600
mission and that I really saw
some racism, the things that

923
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:20,600
people would say openly it was
very shocking, very racist

924
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:25,100
against Jews against gypsies
against people from different.

925
00:59:25,100 --> 00:59:30,400
Like let's say Azerbaijan or
Armenia people which is very

926
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,500
openly racist.
I was in again there and they

927
00:59:32,500 --> 00:59:34,100
late 90s.
Maybe it's a little different

928
00:59:34,100 --> 00:59:37,500
now but the whole communist like
oh we're bringing all the

929
00:59:37,500 --> 00:59:40,800
peoples together as there's just
a sham same thing with what they

930
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,000
said about treatment of women.
That's where I was going next,

931
00:59:45,300 --> 00:59:49,400
the women in Russia.
I hope it's better now.

932
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,600
I haven't been to rush.
It's been twenty 20 years, 21

933
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:57,700
years since I've been there but
holy moly, the misogyny that I

934
00:59:57,700 --> 01:00:02,000
saw when I was there women and
part of that okay, Russia had

935
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,700
more casualties from WWII than
any other Nation.

936
01:00:04,700 --> 01:00:07,600
It killed off a good chunk of
the generation of men.

937
01:00:08,100 --> 01:00:10,900
Women had to kind of take over
in a sense.

938
01:00:10,900 --> 01:00:16,500
But you see a lot of families
where it's a you know a single

939
01:00:16,500 --> 01:00:19,400
mom with kids living.
The grandma and where are the

940
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,200
men to be found?
They're drunk, or they're dead.

941
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:27,700
I saw numerous at least once,
maybe twice a week.

942
01:00:27,700 --> 01:00:29,500
All winter long.
You would see women dragging

943
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:32,600
their drunk, my husband's home
on the ice physically, just

944
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,400
dragging them on the ice so they
wouldn't freeze to death.

945
01:00:36,500 --> 01:00:41,600
You never really see women drunk
but drunken Russian man that

946
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:48,700
that whole stereotype is their
big for a reason and but at the

947
01:00:48,700 --> 01:00:53,600
same time, so women running the
show but yet There was a lot of

948
01:00:53,607 --> 01:00:57,100
misogyny.
It's very very strange dichotomy

949
01:00:57,100 --> 01:00:59,800
there and you know the Soviets
and again I was there pretty

950
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,800
soon after the fall of the
Soviet Union, they claimed to

951
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,400
uplift women.
But what they did is they

952
01:01:05,900 --> 01:01:08,500
because women can work now and
now we're going to put all the

953
01:01:08,500 --> 01:01:12,400
kids in the, you know, from like
the earliest of Ages in these

954
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:17,500
kindergartens and these, these
daycares and you know, raised by

955
01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:21,200
the state essentially.
But but what ends up happening

956
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,300
when women are put in the work?
Force.

957
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,300
And the men are just disabled
and drunk is the women.

958
01:01:27,300 --> 01:01:30,500
Now have to end, we see this in
all countries, women are now

959
01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:33,700
responsible for the home and
breadwinning.

960
01:01:34,300 --> 01:01:39,600
Right and and in Russia even up
until when I was there, there

961
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:41,800
were no conveniences.
Like I was when I was a

962
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,400
missionary there, we were making
our food from scratch.

963
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,000
If I wanted to eat something
other than bread and pasta, it

964
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:52,300
would be made from scratch.
I met so many women who worked

965
01:01:52,300 --> 01:01:55,700
full-time, Add all the cooking
from scratch and cleaning.

966
01:01:55,700 --> 01:01:59,900
And big would go grow their own
food, all summer long on their

967
01:01:59,900 --> 01:02:04,200
plot of land, their duchess And
raise the kids and no husband.

968
01:02:04,900 --> 01:02:09,500
And all of it, that doesn't
sound very ideal to me.

969
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:16,800
And then very, very staunch lack
of male leadership, but still

970
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:20,100
misogyny on top of it.
And that's kind of like what it

971
01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:23,200
was with the different
ethnicities.

972
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:30,300
Russians were very ethnocentric
and not very polite about people

973
01:02:30,300 --> 01:02:33,100
of different races.
I happen to To fit in very

974
01:02:33,100 --> 01:02:35,700
nicely in Russia, blond hair and
blue eyes.

975
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:42,800
But different missionaries who
were maybe Asian or there was a

976
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:47,400
Hawaiian missionary, I know that
they and I actually had some

977
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:52,800
Mongolian Mission companions not
treated quite with the same

978
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:57,700
amount of respect.
Yeah, it's very strange.

979
01:02:58,100 --> 01:02:59,500
So yeah, it's all a scam.
The Sham.

980
01:02:59,500 --> 01:03:02,900
What the Communists say about on
doing away with racism and

981
01:03:02,900 --> 01:03:05,800
misogyny.
That's not what I saw.

982
01:03:07,100 --> 01:03:11,400
What about this idea of equality
across the board?

983
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,500
Did it ever come close to doing
that?

984
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,200
Well, equality and
impoverishment and equality and

985
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:26,400
enslavement and subjugation to,
you know, the state in that way.

986
01:03:26,900 --> 01:03:30,800
Yeah, I mean well it's hard to
say there.

987
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,200
I'm sure there's some things
like the one thing that I can

988
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:38,200
say that that Lenin was did
well, was that there was big

989
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,700
toe, everyone to read, everyone
learned to read, they had to

990
01:03:41,700 --> 01:03:47,300
learn Russian and they did have
the public schooling and And you

991
01:03:47,300 --> 01:03:52,100
know, there's a lot of smart
people in Russia, a lot of great

992
01:03:52,100 --> 01:03:58,100
scientists and a lot of great
minds and you know, and some of

993
01:03:58,100 --> 01:04:00,800
them I know would have come from
peasant background so there was

994
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:05,400
that aspect of it.
But then there's the equality of

995
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,600
the impoverishment, like I
mentioned right.

996
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,200
Everybody's poor.
So we're all equal with the

997
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,700
exception of those at the top of
the proletariat, right?

998
01:04:13,700 --> 01:04:17,400
Those those things The top
government officials.

999
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:21,400
Yeah yeah running running the
the the show, so to speak.

1000
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:25,100
Yeah.
So it and that was the thing.

1001
01:04:25,100 --> 01:04:27,900
That surprised me in the thing
that continues to surprise me.

1002
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,000
Is that there's this idea that.
Oh no.

1003
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,800
The system of Communism is fine.
We just haven't found the right

1004
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,200
person to run it yet.
But who is the right person to

1005
01:04:39,207 --> 01:04:44,300
have that much power?
That is what there's one guy

1006
01:04:44,300 --> 01:04:47,300
with trust but so far.
Nobody named Jesus has come to

1007
01:04:47,300 --> 01:04:53,600
administrate that thing, right?
So it can't be ran properly, it

1008
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:57,200
does it.
There's no way I think the

1009
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,200
founders understood that the Is
of the United States, that's why

1010
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:04,500
they divided power up.
They understood that, that if

1011
01:05:04,500 --> 01:05:11,700
power is centrally located,
you're in a world of hurt and it

1012
01:05:11,700 --> 01:05:15,900
whether it's communism or
socialism, it always collapses

1013
01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:18,500
in on itself and never ever
works.

1014
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,000
The promises that makes are
never fulfilled.

1015
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:27,200
It is, it is the ultimate in
getting a bad bill of goods

1016
01:05:27,500 --> 01:05:30,200
because they'll show you one
thing.

1017
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,900
But what's actually in that box
is death horror and bloodshed on

1018
01:05:33,900 --> 01:05:41,000
a massive scale.
I read an article by a very I

1019
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,700
believe he was educated at Yale.
And I can't remember what his

1020
01:05:43,700 --> 01:05:48,400
name was.
But basically he took a tally of

1021
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:53,000
any one that was ever killed
through say religious wars or,

1022
01:05:53,300 --> 01:05:57,700
you know, Wars that were just
exclusively for for power and

1023
01:05:57,700 --> 01:06:01,300
land and paired to how many
people died under Soviet

1024
01:06:01,300 --> 01:06:07,500
occupation or communist
occupation and it blew the rest

1025
01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:11,500
of the numbers off the charts.
I mean didn't even come close at

1026
01:06:11,508 --> 01:06:14,600
least 100 million casualties in
the 20th century.

1027
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:18,200
Not counting casualties from
war, but just from communist

1028
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,700
Nations abusing their own people
through famine.

1029
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:26,800
Through purges executions debt
untimely deaths in prison camps

1030
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:28,700
at least 100 million in the 20th
century.

1031
01:06:28,900 --> 01:06:32,200
Alone.
Did you ever did you ever study

1032
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:36,900
the Ukrainian?
Man-made famine, I guess it

1033
01:06:36,900 --> 01:06:42,000
would be called I studied that
when I took Soviet history, I

1034
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,200
can't recount all of the details
of it.

1035
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:50,700
But essentially the Soviets, one
of the things that that happened

1036
01:06:50,700 --> 01:06:53,200
in the Soviet Union which we
unfortunately see happening here

1037
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:57,300
in America and the West it's
called Li senko ISM and there

1038
01:06:57,300 --> 01:07:00,300
was a ahead.
I don't know if he was the head

1039
01:07:00,300 --> 01:07:04,100
of agriculture in the Soviet
Union in that early era or what,

1040
01:07:04,100 --> 01:07:08,500
but he was one of Of the top
people and basically communism

1041
01:07:08,500 --> 01:07:11,600
is such an idea has such an
ideological bent that even

1042
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:15,600
science had to meld itself to
it.

1043
01:07:15,700 --> 01:07:19,300
And he had some improper
understandings of Agriculture

1044
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:24,000
that were because he was basing
his understanding on what it

1045
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,700
should be according to
Communism, how plants should

1046
01:07:27,700 --> 01:07:31,400
grow according to communist
ideology as opposed to reality.

1047
01:07:31,900 --> 01:07:36,400
And that resulted in Crop
failures.

1048
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:42,700
Then you combine that with the
purging of the kulaks, the the

1049
01:07:42,700 --> 01:07:46,300
pool, a kulak was a Russian
peasant many of them in Ukraine.

1050
01:07:46,300 --> 01:07:50,800
Also who was maybe slightly more
successful and maybe slightly

1051
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,300
more well-off than some of the
other peasants.

1052
01:07:53,300 --> 01:07:56,500
Maybe had two cows instead of
one and the kulaks became an

1053
01:07:56,500 --> 01:08:01,800
enemy of the people because they
were, you know, greedy or you

1054
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:03,900
know, they were taking too much
for themselves and whatnot.

1055
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,600
Not and so they would go in a
Countryside and ask the kulaks,

1056
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:09,900
the people that were made by
hand of a slightly better house

1057
01:08:09,900 --> 01:08:11,800
or two cows.
You have to give up, give us

1058
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,500
your cow, give us, you know,
hand it over hand over the goods

1059
01:08:14,500 --> 01:08:16,500
and the ones that were like, no,
this is mine.

1060
01:08:16,700 --> 01:08:18,300
Well, you're off to the gulag
for you.

1061
01:08:19,100 --> 01:08:23,200
And so the most successful
farmers were purged or sent off

1062
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:28,300
to the gulag leaving behind the
less successful Farmers.

1063
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:33,899
So it's kind of a dual thing
there that led to the famine and

1064
01:08:34,100 --> 01:08:39,500
and, I can't remember the number
the count of the number of

1065
01:08:39,500 --> 01:08:42,000
deaths but it was definitely in
a Millions tens of millions.

1066
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:48,700
I think, then there was, it was
covered up in the media.

1067
01:08:48,700 --> 01:08:51,600
It was covered up within the
Soviet Union and abroad.

1068
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,000
I mean, there were some accounts
that would reach it but there's

1069
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,800
there's definitely enough
information out there.

1070
01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:00,600
Now, to understand it was just a
mass killing off of the people.

1071
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,000
I mean, people had to resort to
can.

1072
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,100
Well, I don't they had to but
they did resort to cannibalism.

1073
01:09:05,899 --> 01:09:11,800
I heard an account of someone
who is a ukrainian-american, who

1074
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,800
said that his grandmother told
him that they had to, they had

1075
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,700
to decide.
Are we should we kill our own

1076
01:09:16,700 --> 01:09:20,200
children and eat our own
children or just let everyone or

1077
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,300
we're going to die first.
And then someone else is going

1078
01:09:22,300 --> 01:09:27,300
to come and eat our children.
It's just unbelievably horrific

1079
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:37,000
to imagine.
Just the the human Cole, just

1080
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:42,800
the human Devastation that this
one ideology has has cursed.

1081
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:46,300
The world with is is
unfathomable.

1082
01:09:46,899 --> 01:09:53,399
And what's even more ironic is
that as far as I can tell

1083
01:09:53,399 --> 01:09:58,600
communism, really gets it Its
power from two things.

1084
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:03,600
The one we talked about what was
this idea of constant conflict?

1085
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:10,600
Well, the other is coveting.
Yeah, I know that sounds kind of

1086
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,900
silly on the surface as you look
at it.

1087
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:17,900
It's all about people coveting.
What other people get?

1088
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:20,600
Yeah.
And never about, okay.

1089
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:24,300
So what did they do to get that?
And how can I emulate that kind

1090
01:10:24,300 --> 01:10:28,900
of of work or That that, that
discipline that it took to get

1091
01:10:28,900 --> 01:10:32,900
there instead, it was this get
them, right?

1092
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,900
Get those who've got it and
let's spread it around.

1093
01:10:36,100 --> 01:10:45,000
And so it's all born out of this
very Primal set of laws or this

1094
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,600
idea of going against those very
early laws that are handed down

1095
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:54,300
even on stone tablets, right?
Don't covet, don't kill and and

1096
01:10:54,300 --> 01:11:00,100
it seems to be the Cops at the
photo negative of what happens

1097
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:05,900
and it's again, you purge the
successful Farmers, you send

1098
01:11:05,900 --> 01:11:07,800
them to the gulags or you
execute them.

1099
01:11:08,900 --> 01:11:12,400
And then you give it to
somebody, who can barely get

1100
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:16,500
enough to feed his own family.
It's bound to fail and it's all

1101
01:11:16,500 --> 01:11:19,400
born out of this idea of.
They have it.

1102
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,500
I don't Ergo.
They must have got it illegally,

1103
01:11:22,500 --> 01:11:27,700
or they must be immoral.
And that is such a poisonous

1104
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:33,700
thing to to put in the into the
Zeitgeist, if you will, of a

1105
01:11:33,700 --> 01:11:38,800
society because it forces
cannibalization of ourselves.

1106
01:11:39,500 --> 01:11:41,800
Absolutely.
And that's what communism does.

1107
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,500
It takes the best and the
brightest and it cannibalizes

1108
01:11:44,500 --> 01:11:46,000
them.
That's a great way to put it.

1109
01:11:46,300 --> 01:11:51,100
The greatest artists and Poets,
Russia, the heritage of poetry

1110
01:11:51,100 --> 01:11:55,400
and Russia, I wouldn't have
known if I hadn't studied well

1111
01:11:55,700 --> 01:11:58,100
living in Russia.
They are very proud of their

1112
01:11:58,100 --> 01:12:00,800
poets, poot, Alexander Pushkin
and many others.

1113
01:12:02,900 --> 01:12:05,900
They maneuvered by the the
Soviet era the poets that

1114
01:12:05,900 --> 01:12:07,900
wouldn't just, you know, praise
communism.

1115
01:12:07,900 --> 01:12:09,300
And that's all they would write
about it.

1116
01:12:09,300 --> 01:12:11,600
They wouldn't do that.
They can no longer write some of

1117
01:12:11,608 --> 01:12:17,000
the best artists fell by the
wayside because of Communism

1118
01:12:17,100 --> 01:12:21,600
scientists with real science
like the people that would stand

1119
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,100
up to that license.
Oh guys I know your ideas about

1120
01:12:24,100 --> 01:12:26,400
agricultural wrong.
Well you're off to the gulag for

1121
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:30,000
you know you know we're going to
go with the ideological view on

1122
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:33,700
science, not the actual, you
know, No, the one that's based

1123
01:12:33,700 --> 01:12:36,700
more in evidence.
So yeah, it cannibalizes people

1124
01:12:36,700 --> 01:12:43,600
with legitimate ideas, who
promote Beauty, who promote good

1125
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,400
things.
Some of the best and brightest.

1126
01:12:45,700 --> 01:12:50,300
And the thing is, when you look
at other communist Nations, they

1127
01:12:50,300 --> 01:12:54,400
actually would go in.
We'll look at like it's Vietnam.

1128
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:58,100
Cambodia, once a Communist
Regime gets to the power, they

1129
01:12:58,100 --> 01:13:02,300
actually Target the educated
classes for to be purged.

1130
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:05,200
Just because that's their
biggest threat of who could take

1131
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:10,200
power back and they want it to
be a group of peasants, low

1132
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:15,700
level of Education, more willing
to be compliant and you kill off

1133
01:13:15,700 --> 01:13:19,300
all the possible people who
could take your power back.

1134
01:13:22,700 --> 01:13:27,000
So I want to switch gears now
and go to where we are today.

1135
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:32,400
Yeah.
Which news flashes, this part

1136
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:37,100
won't be happy in front?
Where are we at today?

1137
01:13:37,100 --> 01:13:40,800
On that road because I think
it's been a road for about 100

1138
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:42,600
years, right?
Yeah.

1139
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:49,400
Um, that, that we find ourselves
here, right now, whereabouts on

1140
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:51,600
that.
Scale, are we?

1141
01:13:52,700 --> 01:13:58,900
In terms of just being
communists or socialists on some

1142
01:13:58,900 --> 01:14:02,100
level.
Yeah so I don't know if you've

1143
01:14:02,100 --> 01:14:05,700
ever seen this interview with
the occasionally, be agent who

1144
01:14:05,700 --> 01:14:08,200
defected from the Soviet Union
in the late 70s.

1145
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:09,800
His name is Yuri be as me
enough.

1146
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:15,500
He was he was interviewed by G
Edward Griffin, in 1985 and this

1147
01:14:15,500 --> 01:14:17,000
interview can be found on
YouTube.

1148
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:20,600
It is I highly recommend it.
And in this interview you're a

1149
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:26,900
has-been of lays out his job As
a KGB agent was to subjugate

1150
01:14:26,900 --> 01:14:31,400
other nations and to infiltrate.
And to brainwash the populace,

1151
01:14:31,500 --> 01:14:34,500
you said that, the most activity
he was a propagandist for the

1152
01:14:34,500 --> 01:14:38,500
KGB, most of the kgb's efforts
went words propaganda.

1153
01:14:39,500 --> 01:14:42,900
The holes Espionage aspect of
things that we see in movies

1154
01:14:42,900 --> 01:14:45,300
that was much less of what they
did.

1155
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:49,100
Mostly it was propaganda and he
was actually in India as a

1156
01:14:49,100 --> 01:14:53,700
propagandist and he said there's
four steps were Stages of

1157
01:14:54,700 --> 01:14:59,400
subjugating, subverting a nation
to Communism and step.

1158
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:05,500
One is demoralization and he
said it takes between 15 to 20

1159
01:15:05,500 --> 01:15:10,300
years will you have to get into
the education and demoralize the

1160
01:15:10,300 --> 01:15:14,500
rising generation to teach some
that socialism is good to

1161
01:15:14,500 --> 01:15:16,500
prepare them to accept
socialism.

1162
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:20,200
And when this interview was
recorded in 1985, he said that

1163
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:24,000
that first step was Way Beyond
over fulfilled in America.

1164
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,500
So where are we now?
I mean obviously we're like so

1165
01:15:28,500 --> 01:15:31,400
far beyond overflow filled with
demoralization, it's not even

1166
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:35,300
funny when I haven't looked at
this in While you make sure I

1167
01:15:35,308 --> 01:15:38,400
get these steps right.
Would when you're looking at

1168
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,400
that real quick, let me ask you
something about demoralization.

1169
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:45,900
So when he's talking about
demoralization there's I want to

1170
01:15:45,900 --> 01:15:48,000
make sure I'm understanding
here, correctly Julian, I

1171
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,900
apologize and kind of slow
sometimes.

1172
01:15:50,300 --> 01:15:55,100
So there's like being
demoralized against an opponent,

1173
01:15:55,100 --> 01:15:58,300
right?
If you're in a conflict or or a

1174
01:15:58,300 --> 01:16:02,000
sport or whatever and then
there's a demoralization as far

1175
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:05,600
as stripping away your morals
which Which one is he talking

1176
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,600
about?
They're talking about stripping

1177
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:12,500
away, the ideology of a of
individual freedom in America

1178
01:16:12,500 --> 01:16:15,300
and replacing it with socialism.
Okay?

1179
01:16:15,300 --> 01:16:19,700
So actually taking those morals
and values that that used to

1180
01:16:19,700 --> 01:16:23,300
come almost with our DNA.
Okay.

1181
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:30,700
Yeah.
So demoralization the next step.

1182
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:41,000
Is.
Sorry about that.

1183
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:46,300
Okay no your step 2, if I'd of
ideological subversion is

1184
01:16:46,300 --> 01:16:49,500
destabilization.
This takes between two to five

1185
01:16:49,500 --> 01:16:53,700
years to enact and the in this
phase the nation's economy.

1186
01:16:53,700 --> 01:16:58,200
Foreign Relations defense is
different institutions, are we

1187
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:01,200
come under attack to shake the
nation at a foundational level?

1188
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:03,400
It takes two to five years.
I believe we began

1189
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:06,100
destabilization in March of
2020.

1190
01:17:07,300 --> 01:17:12,500
So what it's been three years So
two to five years to destabilize

1191
01:17:12,500 --> 01:17:15,900
a nation.
We're definitely very far gone

1192
01:17:15,900 --> 01:17:18,500
with that.
Step 3, hold on one second.

1193
01:17:18,500 --> 01:17:23,800
If I could explain, that's an
awfully specific date, explain

1194
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,700
to me what happens in March of
2020 that leads you to believe

1195
01:17:26,700 --> 01:17:31,300
that that that destabilization
occurred, lockdowns, covid,

1196
01:17:31,300 --> 01:17:34,600
lockdowns, and pandemic,
measures, and all the

1197
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:38,300
destabilization that emanated
from that.

1198
01:17:38,300 --> 01:17:40,500
And then And some of it not
connected.

1199
01:17:40,500 --> 01:17:43,700
I mean you have our borders
under Massive Attack, that's not

1200
01:17:43,700 --> 01:17:46,500
necessarily connected to covid
but it's also happening during

1201
01:17:46,500 --> 01:17:52,200
this timeframe our military is
there.

1202
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:54,800
Some destabilization with us
sending all of our military

1203
01:17:54,800 --> 01:18:00,700
equipment over to Ukraine.
Our economy has is undergoing

1204
01:18:00,700 --> 01:18:09,000
some destabilization.
We just had a lot of that going

1205
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:12,900
on step 3.
According to, this is your

1206
01:18:12,900 --> 01:18:14,600
ideas, man.
Of step, 3 of communist.

1207
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:16,900
Subversion is called Crisis
crisis.

1208
01:18:16,900 --> 01:18:21,300
Takes about six weeks to
complete after which the nation

1209
01:18:21,300 --> 01:18:23,400
has fallen to a Communist
Regime.

1210
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:28,900
A crisis there can be either a
war, some extreme economic

1211
01:18:28,900 --> 01:18:31,300
situation and a power grid
failure.

1212
01:18:31,500 --> 01:18:35,700
There's a cataclysmic crisis
that occurs and then When the

1213
01:18:35,700 --> 01:18:39,800
new communist leadership takes
hold step 4 is called

1214
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:42,900
normalization.
That is where the Communist

1215
01:18:42,900 --> 01:18:46,400
Regime is Empower their purging
their potential opponents.

1216
01:18:46,900 --> 01:18:52,800
They are just going through and
making sure that they maintain

1217
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,900
their power and giving the
populace used to the new, the

1218
01:18:55,900 --> 01:19:01,500
new kid on the Block.
So, I thought of this, I thought

1219
01:19:01,500 --> 01:19:08,300
of this and this I think we
might have already have had

1220
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:13,400
different phases of Crisis and
normalization because I do think

1221
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:17,700
that we perhaps have already had
a coup inside within our federal

1222
01:19:17,700 --> 01:19:20,800
government.
They already have taken power.

1223
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:25,200
They're already trying to
normalize us and it's just not

1224
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,800
fully taken hold in every aspect
yet.

1225
01:19:30,100 --> 01:19:33,500
Or you could say we're very far.
We're pretty far Advanced with

1226
01:19:33,500 --> 01:19:36,600
destabilization and it could be
some big crisis that could come

1227
01:19:37,100 --> 01:19:39,500
again.
I don't know that the powers

1228
01:19:39,500 --> 01:19:42,600
that be are for sure.
Going to follow the exact

1229
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:47,500
pattern of setting up a
Communist Regime, but we can't

1230
01:19:47,500 --> 01:19:52,200
assume that they're not going to
follow that pattern, right?

1231
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:55,400
We should we should assume that
it's possible.

1232
01:19:56,200 --> 01:20:02,500
And the good news is that we
still have some element of free

1233
01:20:02,500 --> 01:20:07,300
speech, obviously not fully as
fully as we would like there's a

1234
01:20:07,300 --> 01:20:13,200
lot of censorship and as you are
well aware, but we still have

1235
01:20:13,300 --> 01:20:16,000
some time right now, where we
can try to wake up more of the

1236
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,900
populace.
I don't think we can prevent

1237
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:23,600
this crisis from happening.
I don't think we can prevent a

1238
01:20:23,608 --> 01:20:28,900
lot of things, but I think we
can prevent this whole thing

1239
01:20:28,900 --> 01:20:32,600
from being successful.
Ultimately they're probably

1240
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:34,100
going to be a lot of casualties
though.

1241
01:20:34,100 --> 01:20:38,100
In the meantime we can try to
make it so that it's a

1242
01:20:38,100 --> 01:20:43,000
short-lived me more of a
short-lived system that tries to

1243
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:44,000
take over.
I don't know.

1244
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:48,100
I mean we don't know what the
future holds but we can't we

1245
01:20:48,100 --> 01:20:52,900
have to assume that following
through to a full tyrannical.

1246
01:20:53,700 --> 01:20:56,500
You know, government in America
that we have to assume that

1247
01:20:56,508 --> 01:21:00,300
that's possible.
And that it's imminent and act

1248
01:21:00,300 --> 01:21:07,000
accordingly.
I'm just thinking here you were

1249
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:11,300
talking about normalization as
are one of the steps.

1250
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:15,000
You remember what we heard all
through the pandemic is that

1251
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,000
we're never going back to what
it was before.

1252
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,600
They'll be a new normal.
Yes, exactly.

1253
01:21:20,100 --> 01:21:22,400
Exactly.
The surveillance the type of

1254
01:21:22,900 --> 01:21:25,500
surveillance and now with the
new AI that they have in the

1255
01:21:25,500 --> 01:21:29,400
personality want to get that.
You all know of Harare talks

1256
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,900
about wanting to get under the
skin of every every person.

1257
01:21:32,900 --> 01:21:34,900
So they can have her biometric
data.

1258
01:21:35,100 --> 01:21:40,200
They want all the data on all
the people so that way I can you

1259
01:21:40,208 --> 01:21:44,000
know use the its algorithms and
whatever to determine who would

1260
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:47,600
be a threat who you know what
types of re-education different

1261
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,700
people would need.
I mean, just look at China.

1262
01:21:50,700 --> 01:21:53,100
Just look at what's you know I
guess things are calming down a

1263
01:21:53,100 --> 01:21:58,600
little bit with their latest
covid spread of covid but the

1264
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,400
lockdowns you know, barring
people into their apartment

1265
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:05,900
buildings to starve to death,
you know And just the horrific

1266
01:22:05,900 --> 01:22:08,900
levels of control and like you
cannot go anywhere in China.

1267
01:22:08,900 --> 01:22:11,300
It's illegal to go anywhere
without your smartphone.

1268
01:22:11,300 --> 01:22:16,000
That's tracking you.
And there's just trying to

1269
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:20,300
everyone that I listened to says
that that China is the model for

1270
01:22:20,900 --> 01:22:24,500
this new order.
And it's not a paradise over

1271
01:22:24,500 --> 01:22:26,500
there.
No, especially for people who

1272
01:22:26,500 --> 01:22:29,100
want freedom.
No there there.

1273
01:22:29,100 --> 01:22:32,400
Yeah you're either going to play
ball with the government or

1274
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:36,700
you're going to get this beard?
Yes.

1275
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:45,300
Yes. um, II have to say, okay,
go ahead, go ahead.

1276
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:48,600
No, you first.
I just have to say, I think

1277
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:52,300
there is much that we can do to
prevent this whole thing from

1278
01:22:52,300 --> 01:22:54,300
succeeding at least for very
long.

1279
01:22:54,300 --> 01:22:57,400
And again, we have to take our
culture back, I don't feel like

1280
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:01,800
I have control over what our
leadership in Washington, d.c.

1281
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:04,400
does.
But our local school, boards and

1282
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:06,500
school districts are local
churches.

1283
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:10,000
What we allow our children to
view the entertainment.

1284
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:13,800
We allow them to view.
We and it's hard to believe me.

1285
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:18,700
I'm a single mom, and I'm
homeschooling my son and making

1286
01:23:18,700 --> 01:23:23,600
sacrifices in order to do so.
And he did it tend some charter

1287
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:25,800
schools at different times and
there were some positive things

1288
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:31,200
with that but the system, the
education, there's just so much.

1289
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:34,500
That's a whole other topic.
It just, I couldn't leave him in

1290
01:23:34,500 --> 01:23:37,800
that situation but we have to do
what we can.

1291
01:23:37,900 --> 01:23:41,400
So our children have true
information are raised properly.

1292
01:23:41,500 --> 01:23:45,400
Early with understanding of
freedom and so that they don't

1293
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:51,200
accept this system and so that
they understand how how it's

1294
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:53,900
supposed to be and not get
brainwashed.

1295
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:59,800
Let me know if you this token.
We we've we've kind of tried

1296
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:04,300
this idea of flooding you know
school board meetings.

1297
01:24:04,900 --> 01:24:07,900
It's sometimes it's work.
We saw it worked a little bit in

1298
01:24:07,900 --> 01:24:13,300
Virginia I enlarged.
And maybe I'm wrong.

1299
01:24:13,300 --> 01:24:15,000
And if I'm wrong, please correct
me.

1300
01:24:15,500 --> 01:24:19,000
But by and large I feel like
that ship has already sailed for

1301
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:22,700
public education.
I'm not I'm not sure there's any

1302
01:24:22,700 --> 01:24:28,300
saving it as it stands now.
And what I mean it is that's

1303
01:24:28,300 --> 01:24:33,500
that might that might be true
but so One of the things that I

1304
01:24:33,508 --> 01:24:35,400
don't, I don't want to spill all
the beans, like I mentioned.

1305
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:37,900
So the documentary I'm making
about the content.

1306
01:24:37,900 --> 01:24:40,800
My book to expose communism to
expose these agendas here in

1307
01:24:40,808 --> 01:24:43,600
America, this documentary is to
be used.

1308
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:49,300
I have a Wade I'm not going to
share it now but for the average

1309
01:24:49,300 --> 01:24:55,400
person in any Town America to be
able to engage very easily and

1310
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:58,300
activism to get to wake up more
and more people.

1311
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,100
That if they can't get their
school boards, to remove the

1312
01:25:02,100 --> 01:25:04,500
Communist agendas to entertain
remove and mass.

1313
01:25:04,500 --> 01:25:07,300
Instead of whole other systems,
I will say this.

1314
01:25:07,300 --> 01:25:10,600
I had I was involved last in the
last previous school year with

1315
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:13,700
attending school board, meetings
in Washington County, Utah with

1316
01:25:13,700 --> 01:25:17,600
a great group of parents and we
did succeed at pressuring our

1317
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:21,200
school board here to remove
pornographic books from the

1318
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:24,500
school libraries.
And we were loud.

1319
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:28,500
We were respectful.
I was one of the people she, I

1320
01:25:28,500 --> 01:25:32,100
shared how How hyper sexualizing
children is actually part of the

1321
01:25:32,100 --> 01:25:36,800
Communist agenda to destabilize
society and gave copies of my

1322
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:40,200
book to all the school board
members to delivered me.

1323
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:42,500
And some other people delivered
copies of my book to most of the

1324
01:25:42,508 --> 01:25:45,600
principles in our area and
following up with them.

1325
01:25:47,300 --> 01:25:50,400
I do think I do think that there
are things that we can do as

1326
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:54,300
Citizens, and if enough people
threaten to pull out and are

1327
01:25:54,300 --> 01:25:56,900
willing and do pull out, and
then they're having to shut down

1328
01:25:56,900 --> 01:26:00,000
schools.
There are things that we can do.

1329
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:03,400
But it takes enough, people
waking up and taking action and

1330
01:26:03,500 --> 01:26:06,600
a lot of parents, as we know,
are very stressed out right now.

1331
01:26:06,900 --> 01:26:12,800
A lot of economic pressures on
us, but we do have, we do have

1332
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:16,700
power and we do, we can go to
our churches, our local clergy.

1333
01:26:16,700 --> 01:26:20,100
Oh, I'm talking about any church
anywhere in America and again,

1334
01:26:20,100 --> 01:26:23,200
my book very much exposes the
how communism has infiltrated

1335
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:24,900
our churches and what that looks
like.

1336
01:26:24,900 --> 01:26:28,200
And what specific things to show
so that they can be taken out.

1337
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:32,900
We can go to those leaders of
their churches locally and try

1338
01:26:32,900 --> 01:26:36,600
to press our churches to remove
any elements of Communism.

1339
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:40,300
And so Marxism from the churches
and then say, well if you don't,

1340
01:26:40,300 --> 01:26:43,000
then we're just going to leave.
Eve and I know that especially

1341
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:45,200
in hearing you talk.
People don't want to hear that

1342
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:49,700
amongst the specially.
Like let's say the LDS crowd but

1343
01:26:50,100 --> 01:26:52,600
just in general across the
Christian world.

1344
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:56,000
We have to insist that where we
worship and where we take our

1345
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,900
children to be trained.
That they're not actually

1346
01:26:59,100 --> 01:27:02,500
teaching communism mixed with
Christianity which is happening

1347
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:07,100
very broadly.
And again pull out and and if

1348
01:27:07,100 --> 01:27:10,500
the churches will not comply
with our wishes to remove

1349
01:27:10,500 --> 01:27:15,100
communism, Is anti-god
Antichrist out of the church had

1350
01:27:15,100 --> 01:27:17,600
of our churches.
We have the power to do that and

1351
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:22,600
if there's enough of us, we can
really make some waves. yeah,

1352
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:27,700
and I'll say this, we know the
LDS church listens to its

1353
01:27:27,700 --> 01:27:29,500
congregants.
On some things.

1354
01:27:29,500 --> 01:27:34,500
I mean, the the man tied Temple
was a very powerful point there,

1355
01:27:34,500 --> 01:27:37,200
right?
They were going to gut it and

1356
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:39,900
due to that Temple, what they're
doing, the Salt Lake and enough

1357
01:27:39,900 --> 01:27:43,700
of the local stood up and said
no and they instead went and

1358
01:27:43,700 --> 01:27:48,500
built another, a different one
and you from but they do listen.

1359
01:27:52,100 --> 01:27:57,200
the where they where they've
infiltrated churches that's

1360
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:03,700
super concerning to me because
if you can get If you can get to

1361
01:28:03,700 --> 01:28:09,900
a point to where communism and
and religion can work together,

1362
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:15,400
that is a dangerous dangerous
thing because it's happening.

1363
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:20,300
It's been happening for decades.
Religion is supposed to act as

1364
01:28:21,900 --> 01:28:25,800
kind of the failsafe mechanism
within a society society's,

1365
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:32,500
moral compass and if it goes
astray, if it goes dark there is

1366
01:28:32,500 --> 01:28:38,600
nothing left to prevent
Catastrophe on a scale that

1367
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:41,300
leaves human wreckage
everywhere.

1368
01:28:41,500 --> 01:28:43,300
Yeah.
And I will say, where do you

1369
01:28:43,300 --> 01:28:46,100
hear any leaders of any church
at all?

1370
01:28:46,100 --> 01:28:47,500
Right.
Now, any major church is

1371
01:28:47,500 --> 01:28:51,700
speaking out against communism
against, you know different

1372
01:28:51,700 --> 01:28:55,300
aspects of what gives them in
Marxism you don't hear it.

1373
01:28:55,300 --> 01:28:57,900
It's not a thing.
The ones that you did here in

1374
01:28:57,900 --> 01:29:01,200
the past of course, Ezra Taft
Benson and Billy Graham also was

1375
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:07,000
was openly and vocally.
It's back in his earlier days.

1376
01:29:09,100 --> 01:29:12,700
They either were silenced or,
you know, whatever happened but

1377
01:29:12,700 --> 01:29:14,800
we don't, we don't have leaders
of churches.

1378
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:18,700
Speaking out against these
agendas we are the people are

1379
01:29:18,700 --> 01:29:21,200
the ones that have to do it and
we have to hold our churches

1380
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:23,200
accountable.
I will say that out of all the

1381
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:26,500
major churches that I studied a
top ten major churches,

1382
01:29:26,500 --> 01:29:29,100
Christian churches in America,
LDS church has the least

1383
01:29:29,100 --> 01:29:32,700
evidence of communist
infiltration But water is,

1384
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:36,400
that's good.
There's still some to concerning

1385
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:39,100
things, and then we have upwards
of half of America's.

1386
01:29:39,500 --> 01:29:42,400
Mainland, Christian churches, by
mid 20th century were.

1387
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:47,600
Very deeply infiltrated with
Communism from the top down and

1388
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,700
it's gotten significantly worse
now.

1389
01:29:50,700 --> 01:29:53,000
To we're to the point again, I
don't remember if I mentioned

1390
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,600
this in a previous interview to
over fight another interview

1391
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,200
that I did.
Last week we have clergy, we

1392
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:01,200
have there's a YouTube video,
you can watch with a clergyman

1393
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:04,400
of some It's somewhere on the
east coast and a drag, queen

1394
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:07,500
preaching, a sermon to some
little children on how when

1395
01:30:07,500 --> 01:30:11,200
Jesus said when the scriptures
say to be a peculiar people.

1396
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:15,700
Well, this drag queen is a
perfect example of your people.

1397
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:20,000
I think when it comes to
churches, it comes down to one

1398
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:25,000
thing and that's your 501.
C 3 status writes a very big

1399
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:26,100
thing.
Yes.

1400
01:30:26,900 --> 01:30:34,200
And I think if I think we have
to start talking to our churches

1401
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:38,800
and ask and then have this
conversation with, with the

1402
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:43,400
church's congregants, and say,
look, We have a choice to make

1403
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:49,300
perhaps we lose our 501, c 3
status and all of us here within

1404
01:30:49,300 --> 01:30:53,000
these pews, had better be in a
position to where we feel

1405
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:57,900
comfortable giving more than,
maybe our normal 10% because

1406
01:30:57,900 --> 01:31:00,000
that's the only way they're
going to be able to survive,

1407
01:31:00,500 --> 01:31:03,900
right?
I think in some ways, the 501 c

1408
01:31:03,900 --> 01:31:08,700
3 tax exempt, status was a form
of heroin for churches.

1409
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:11,600
You get them hooked and then
they can't imagine life.

1410
01:31:11,700 --> 01:31:17,800
Without it and you can you can
Strongarm a lot of churches with

1411
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:22,100
this idea of bankruptcy or
having to shutter The Doors.

1412
01:31:23,100 --> 01:31:25,900
If they lose that 501 c 3 tax,
exempt status.

1413
01:31:26,300 --> 01:31:33,200
That's just one aspect of it.
The other is an again, I believe

1414
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:37,600
those churches that will not go
with with the the ideology at

1415
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:41,100
hand and allow more of this woke
Marxism in.

1416
01:31:41,700 --> 01:31:45,500
They will be heavily targeted,
especially the major churches,

1417
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:52,500
heavily targeted with hit pieces
in the media, more more mockery

1418
01:31:52,500 --> 01:31:55,600
than, than normal for those
specific churches that won't get

1419
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:58,100
with that system with the
bookmark system.

1420
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,800
And then in extreme cases, if
there's any churches they have

1421
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:05,500
to probably be small churches.
I think they would be at risk of

1422
01:32:05,700 --> 01:32:08,900
getting the Branch Davidian flds
treatment of government raids.

1423
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:13,400
They only can get away with that
with with Popular churches that

1424
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:17,700
can be made to be viewed as cult
crazy cultists.

1425
01:32:18,500 --> 01:32:20,600
But with major churches, I think
they're II.

1426
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:23,600
Just looking at what I know
about how the world works.

1427
01:32:23,900 --> 01:32:27,400
I guarantee you, they have
blackmail material on major

1428
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:31,900
church leaders of all the major
churches whether it's, whether

1429
01:32:31,900 --> 01:32:34,500
it's made up or real there, I
guarantee you.

1430
01:32:34,500 --> 01:32:37,400
There is blackmail material that
they'll that these powers that

1431
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:40,900
be will threaten to come out
different headpieces against

1432
01:32:40,900 --> 01:32:43,300
different leaders.
As if churches don't comply.

1433
01:32:43,300 --> 01:32:47,900
So we we as congregants of the
various churches have to

1434
01:32:47,900 --> 01:32:51,700
actually tell our leaders of
churches, please go ahead and

1435
01:32:51,700 --> 01:32:55,000
let the hit pieces and fly, let
it all fly.

1436
01:32:56,500 --> 01:33:00,600
And at all cost.
Let's cut our ties with

1437
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:03,700
government control and
government and incursion our

1438
01:33:03,700 --> 01:33:06,500
existing corrosion in our
churches so that we can actually

1439
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:10,400
be do what churches are supposed
to be, which is helping people,

1440
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:19,700
develop a relationship with God
and to walk with God, yeah, yeah

1441
01:33:19,700 --> 01:33:28,500
and look if I'll say this, You
had better start getting to a

1442
01:33:28,500 --> 01:33:31,200
point.
I don't mean you Julie, but we,

1443
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:35,900
as people, we better start
getting to a point to where we

1444
01:33:35,900 --> 01:33:44,500
don't Peg Our Testimony to a man
to absolutely People Are People.

1445
01:33:44,500 --> 01:33:47,300
No matter who they are, no
matter where they go and

1446
01:33:47,300 --> 01:33:50,400
understand, people are fallible,
right?

1447
01:33:50,500 --> 01:33:53,500
And that's okay.
If you walk into it and

1448
01:33:53,500 --> 01:33:58,000
understand that, that it's going
to happen at some point, you're

1449
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:03,000
going to be let down by either
another congregant or something

1450
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:05,700
that said from the pulpit is
going to piss you off or

1451
01:34:05,700 --> 01:34:09,600
whatever the case is, but we
better get to a point where we

1452
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:14,000
start to pegar our testimonies
To something other than people

1453
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:17,200
or else we're in trouble.
Tres not in the arm of Flesh.

1454
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:21,500
Exactly.
Because when that happens, And

1455
01:34:21,500 --> 01:34:25,900
people get rocked.
They're Prime pickings at that

1456
01:34:25,900 --> 01:34:28,500
point.
Absolutely, absolutely.

1457
01:34:29,300 --> 01:34:32,900
I also think that that this is
again.

1458
01:34:32,900 --> 01:34:36,900
One of those things that shows
the genius of the founders right

1459
01:34:37,300 --> 01:34:40,900
is sometimes we tend to look at
the separation of church and

1460
01:34:40,900 --> 01:34:47,400
state as a form of protection
for the state from religion.

1461
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:51,500
But it can also work the other
direction, right?

1462
01:34:51,500 --> 01:34:54,500
And trying to protect our
churches from the government,

1463
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:58,800
absolute know that healthy
separation was there for both

1464
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:02,400
parties, not just one against
the other, right?

1465
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:04,600
Most definitely.
Yeah.

1466
01:35:05,500 --> 01:35:09,300
And again with the documentary
that I'm making based on the

1467
01:35:09,300 --> 01:35:13,600
content in my book, that is very
much going to expose how how in

1468
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:15,800
the Soviet Union.
They infiltrated the church is

1469
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:19,400
with KGB agents and how Has
churches have been infiltrated

1470
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:21,600
with literal Communists,
beginning over a hundred years

1471
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:26,300
ago, all these different
aspects, my documentary exposing

1472
01:35:26,300 --> 01:35:31,400
that I have a strategy to be
able to have clips of the

1473
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:34,400
documentary that will be able to
be used.

1474
01:35:35,300 --> 01:35:37,800
You know, that will be available
to be viewed by anyone.

1475
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:40,600
And I have a strategy to get
Average.

1476
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:46,100
Joe average Sally in any Town
America to engage in activism to

1477
01:35:46,100 --> 01:35:51,300
wake up congregants of In all
churches in their local area to

1478
01:35:51,300 --> 01:35:54,100
this information.
And we can do this, even with

1479
01:35:54,100 --> 01:35:57,000
massive online censorship, which
I'm sure my documentary will

1480
01:35:57,000 --> 01:36:00,000
get, we could do this.
There's, I have some strategies.

1481
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:04,700
I one of my I've been
self-employed for several years

1482
01:36:04,700 --> 01:36:08,700
for many years now and my one of
my careers is with network

1483
01:36:08,700 --> 01:36:12,600
marketing and I'm not ashamed of
it network marketing uses some

1484
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:16,500
great principles to activate
large numbers of people.

1485
01:36:17,900 --> 01:36:22,300
And at the product I'm selling,
here is freedom and I will use

1486
01:36:22,300 --> 01:36:25,700
some of my training with network
marketing to help activate

1487
01:36:25,700 --> 01:36:28,800
people to be able to go into
their communities and get this

1488
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:32,400
information out even with
massive Central censorship and I

1489
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:34,900
just hope it's okay.
If I plug this time actually,

1490
01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:39,100
please, I need to raise some
funds right now to pay my

1491
01:36:39,100 --> 01:36:42,500
FileMaker so we can get the
trailer finished and then raise

1492
01:36:42,500 --> 01:36:44,600
funds to do the whole rest of
the documentary.

1493
01:36:45,300 --> 01:36:49,100
If I'm actually if anyone would
like to do It, please go to

1494
01:36:49,100 --> 01:36:54,300
beneath sheep's clothing.com /
donate and I'm doing a gifts and

1495
01:36:54,300 --> 01:36:59,800
go with any $15 or more donation
for my documentary.

1496
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:02,600
I will give you three home
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1497
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:04,800
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1498
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:08,100
And the ideology of localism is
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1499
01:37:08,100 --> 01:37:10,900
I'll give to you for any $50 or
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1500
01:37:11,500 --> 01:37:13,500
I'm actually still hammering out
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1501
01:37:13,500 --> 01:37:17,700
Tonight there's going to be
Advanced viewing of the

1502
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1503
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:23,700
I'm also going to throw in a
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1504
01:37:23,700 --> 01:37:28,900
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clothing and there's anyone who

1505
01:37:28,900 --> 01:37:32,500
really feel strongly that we
need to wake up the masses with

1506
01:37:32,500 --> 01:37:36,700
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Please donate, if you can or get

1507
01:37:36,700 --> 01:37:40,300
the word out and that link will
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1508
01:37:40,300 --> 01:37:44,200
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Tell you what?

1509
01:37:44,700 --> 01:37:48,100
I'll throw up, any link you You
want to in these in this episode

1510
01:37:48,100 --> 01:37:55,600
page and as far as far as what
you were talking about with the

1511
01:37:55,700 --> 01:38:01,200
filmmakers, yeah, I need to talk
off off the recording here

1512
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:03,100
before working.
Okay.

1513
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:09,800
Um, I'm going to fire.
I know II only said just about

1514
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:12,500
two hours, so we're approaching
time but there's a few more

1515
01:38:12,500 --> 01:38:15,400
things I want to go over here.
If you, if you have a moment.

1516
01:38:15,900 --> 01:38:20,700
Sure.
And can you tell me at all

1517
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:25,700
about?
Let me see if I can look his

1518
01:38:25,700 --> 01:38:27,800
name up real quick.
I'm currently reading something

1519
01:38:28,100 --> 01:38:31,800
w.e.b.
Du Bois, he was the founder of

1520
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:35,700
the NAACP, okay?
Now, if I'm not Not mistaken.

1521
01:38:35,700 --> 01:38:37,600
He was an avowed communist as
well.

1522
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:42,800
It's my understanding that and
double AC p-- out started out as

1523
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:44,800
a communist institution.
Yeah.

1524
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:50,000
And your have, they been able to
separate a little bit from that

1525
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:52,800
II?
Don't, I don't know.

1526
01:38:52,900 --> 01:38:55,800
I'm sure that there's numerous
people who've been involved with

1527
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:59,800
the n-double-a-cp who are just
people who, you know, who are

1528
01:38:59,900 --> 01:39:04,300
pro-civil rights, right?
The Communists really latched

1529
01:39:04,300 --> 01:39:08,800
onto the Civil Rights Movement,
to try to radicalize people.

1530
01:39:08,900 --> 01:39:11,800
People who wanted civil rights
to radicalize them to Communism.

1531
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:14,000
So it's kind of hard to pick
that apart sometimes.

1532
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:16,700
I don't know any more than that
but yeah, definitely, there's a

1533
01:39:16,708 --> 01:39:19,300
communist element there.
Okay.

1534
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:27,700
Finally I want to ask about this
because I'm curious and I

1535
01:39:27,700 --> 01:39:30,100
haven't been able to make heads
or tails out of it.

1536
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:32,500
That's why I talked to his
people way smarter than me like

1537
01:39:32,500 --> 01:39:37,600
yourself.
With what's going on in Russia

1538
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:42,000
and Ukraine right now.
Is there any spillover from its

1539
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:45,300
history with Communism?
That is directly impacting.

1540
01:39:45,300 --> 01:39:51,800
This is there any ties back to
Communism that we can look at

1541
01:39:52,100 --> 01:39:54,300
and say oh there it is.
It's not, it was never

1542
01:39:54,300 --> 01:39:58,400
completely gone in my opinion.
The biggest high over is what I

1543
01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:00,600
already mentioned, which is
unresolved trauma.

1544
01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:05,000
That is trauma, that is
unresolved will show its head in

1545
01:40:05,300 --> 01:40:08,800
Some form again, at some point
and so had to have these

1546
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:10,700
countries.
Now be involved in war.

1547
01:40:10,900 --> 01:40:15,600
And Ukraine, in particular was
just pummeled, you know, the

1548
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:19,000
Nazi the Nazi soldiers, came and
did a lot of damage.

1549
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:24,600
Also, in Ukraine during World
War Two, And I think unresolved

1550
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:27,700
trauma is the biggest one with
that.

1551
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:32,300
Going back further, the
relationship between Russia and

1552
01:40:32,300 --> 01:40:35,000
Ukraine.
There are others have been

1553
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:37,200
tensions there.
Although Ukraine is the is the

1554
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:41,900
Cradle of the Eastern Slavs.
It's the Kiev is the founding

1555
01:40:41,900 --> 01:40:44,700
city of all the Eastern Slavs
which is Russia, Belarus and

1556
01:40:44,700 --> 01:40:46,300
Ukraine.
They all come from up that

1557
01:40:46,300 --> 01:40:50,800
common place and their languages
are very close.

1558
01:40:51,900 --> 01:40:54,900
They are brothers.
Russia always has been kind of

1559
01:40:54,900 --> 01:40:57,900
the overbearing older brother,
boo, you know?

1560
01:40:58,100 --> 01:41:02,100
Kind of likes to maybe take too
much dominion over the others.

1561
01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:04,800
This war is a fabricated war in
my opinion.

1562
01:41:05,300 --> 01:41:10,000
I it's very painful for my, I
can't look at what's going on.

1563
01:41:10,300 --> 01:41:12,900
I look at enough really hard
heavy things.

1564
01:41:12,900 --> 01:41:15,900
And I'm actually a very empathic
person and I have to kind of

1565
01:41:15,900 --> 01:41:20,700
separate myself emotionally.
So, but any time I've looked

1566
01:41:20,700 --> 01:41:25,300
more closely at what's going on,
the human toll, in Ukraine, not

1567
01:41:25,300 --> 01:41:28,100
just with this war, but even
before it, it's very painful.

1568
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:32,000
For me.
Yeah, I think I think I think

1569
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:34,600
both governments are probably
pretty bad, right?

1570
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:37,500
Ukraine's.
Government was probably not.

1571
01:41:37,500 --> 01:41:40,300
Probably was very corrupt, you
know?

1572
01:41:40,300 --> 01:41:43,800
I think Russia's, you know, we
know, we know Putin's offed, his

1573
01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:47,700
political opponents, right?
Doesn't necessarily speak to a

1574
01:41:47,700 --> 01:41:51,900
smooth transition of power,
where where the populace has a

1575
01:41:51,900 --> 01:41:56,300
say.
And who's ruined things, what's

1576
01:41:56,300 --> 01:41:59,700
unfortunate is it caught in the
middle are just People write

1577
01:41:59,700 --> 01:42:04,700
just people, but I don't think
any of this would be possible

1578
01:42:04,700 --> 01:42:12,600
without some sort of deep-seated
recognition of looking for the

1579
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:17,700
strong man, or the strong
central government and that's

1580
01:42:17,700 --> 01:42:20,400
the ultimate fear, right?
Is that, because people have

1581
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:22,200
been conditioned to look for
that.

1582
01:42:22,500 --> 01:42:26,500
There might be brief moments
where where people don't look

1583
01:42:26,500 --> 01:42:28,700
for that, but if that's what
you've known, Known for

1584
01:42:28,900 --> 01:42:33,300
Generations.
I think people tend to go

1585
01:42:33,300 --> 01:42:37,200
gravitate back towards that
authoritarian, kind of way of

1586
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:39,500
doing things.
Well, Julie, we covered a lot of

1587
01:42:39,500 --> 01:42:41,400
stuff is there anything?
We didn't cover that?

1588
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:44,700
You want to get to know and you
ask a lot of questions that no

1589
01:42:44,700 --> 01:42:46,700
one else is asking interviews.
It was very fun.

1590
01:42:46,700 --> 01:42:48,300
Thank you.
I just think.

1591
01:42:48,900 --> 01:42:50,000
No.
I think we covered a lot of

1592
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:57,200
bases and I think it's important
to recognize the danger that

1593
01:42:57,200 --> 01:43:02,000
were in without going into fear,
and I knew that can be

1594
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:07,400
difficult, but we need to go
into a proactive approach, a

1595
01:43:07,407 --> 01:43:11,800
active place, where we in
connect connection, with the

1596
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:16,300
Divine find our direction, of
what our purpose is, what we

1597
01:43:16,300 --> 01:43:17,500
need to be doing with their
families.

1598
01:43:17,500 --> 01:43:21,100
With their children, with
different acts of preparedness.

1599
01:43:21,100 --> 01:43:24,200
For instance, of I'm been
involved the past few years with

1600
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:27,900
growing a lot of food helping in
my friend at her Homestead and

1601
01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:31,400
and learning how to canned food
and preserve food and all that

1602
01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:36,600
and it but also what can we do
to understand these agendas more

1603
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:41,700
fully and help wake others up.
There's a lot that we can do

1604
01:43:41,700 --> 01:43:44,800
even with very dark Forces
working against Freedom.

1605
01:43:45,700 --> 01:43:47,500
That's, I guess the main point.
I have.

1606
01:43:47,900 --> 01:43:49,700
That's awesome.
I got one last question.

1607
01:43:49,700 --> 01:43:52,300
Then I'ma let you go because I
just find this conversation

1608
01:43:52,300 --> 01:43:53,200
fast.
Fascinating.

1609
01:43:55,300 --> 01:43:59,600
Where you look at the two main
threats of Communism, that

1610
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:06,400
allows that ideology to thrive
conflict and envy.

1611
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:11,200
I think envies one of those
personal things that each one of

1612
01:44:11,200 --> 01:44:12,900
us are going to have to get
over.

1613
01:44:13,300 --> 01:44:15,200
Yeah.
And you know, we're going to

1614
01:44:15,500 --> 01:44:17,900
that's a god problem, right?
That's one that we're going to

1615
01:44:17,900 --> 01:44:21,600
have to take to God and be like,
heal my heart.

1616
01:44:21,900 --> 01:44:26,000
Yes, but this conflict one.
This one is a little more

1617
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:33,200
external, right?
How do we combat that conflict

1618
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:35,300
narrative?
Because you're talking to a guy

1619
01:44:35,300 --> 01:44:40,700
who's very flawed right?
When I get hit per se, my first

1620
01:44:40,700 --> 01:44:45,200
instinct is to hit back but
harder that's not necessarily a

1621
01:44:45,200 --> 01:44:47,700
good way of doing it.
So how is it?

1622
01:44:47,700 --> 01:44:54,300
We defuse this, this conflict
that seems to be propagated by

1623
01:44:54,300 --> 01:44:58,100
those wanting.
This communist system because

1624
01:44:58,100 --> 01:45:02,100
there's a part of me that thinks
if we a not, we've got to

1625
01:45:02,108 --> 01:45:07,900
somehow be able to get our point
across without being part of the

1626
01:45:07,900 --> 01:45:09,700
conflict.
Yeah.

1627
01:45:09,900 --> 01:45:12,600
Does that make any sense of how
do we do that?

1628
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:17,400
As people?
I think there's multiple

1629
01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:20,400
different areas and then I'm
sure other people to think of

1630
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:25,000
more than what I'm going to say.
I think I think being strong,

1631
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:28,700
first of all, I trained in the
martial art for a few years.

1632
01:45:28,700 --> 01:45:32,400
Before I had my son and my
instructors are always like,

1633
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:35,000
what you trained in martial arts
so you don't have to ever use

1634
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:38,100
it.
You don't train in martial arts

1635
01:45:38,100 --> 01:45:41,700
so you go out and hurt people,
you train so that you have that

1636
01:45:41,700 --> 01:45:45,600
confidence within yourself and
you, you know, that you're not

1637
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:47,700
going to need it.
But in the event that some

1638
01:45:48,100 --> 01:45:51,100
wacko, tries to hurt you, you
can defend yourself.

1639
01:45:51,300 --> 01:45:56,600
So for defense, there are times
when violence is, you know, if

1640
01:45:56,600 --> 01:45:59,700
someone's trying to harm your
child, someone's trying to do

1641
01:45:59,700 --> 01:46:02,300
bodily harm to you.
Yeah, person is Justified in

1642
01:46:02,300 --> 01:46:07,500
self-defense.
I think the ultimate answer to

1643
01:46:07,500 --> 01:46:12,400
all of it, it's the same as with
MB is rising up as people and

1644
01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:17,000
Rising more into our higher
selves.

1645
01:46:17,300 --> 01:46:22,000
That it's just above this whole
level of conflict.

1646
01:46:22,100 --> 01:46:29,300
And I think having compassion on
our enemy, he's even like the

1647
01:46:29,300 --> 01:46:31,800
ones that we think are just evil
through and through.

1648
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:33,300
There are serving a purpose
here.

1649
01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:36,500
This Earth to expose people to
evil.

1650
01:46:36,500 --> 01:46:40,300
And that is part of at least why
I believe why we're here to be

1651
01:46:40,300 --> 01:46:42,300
able to choose.
And so we can have a level of

1652
01:46:42,300 --> 01:46:48,000
respect for even our opponents
and not hatred, no hate.

1653
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:53,200
We don't need to have hatred but
but to be strong when you get

1654
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:55,900
ourselves healthy, be able to
defend ourselves.

1655
01:46:57,300 --> 01:47:00,100
I say even have love for our
enemies.

1656
01:47:00,300 --> 01:47:07,300
I think that's what Jesus said
also and those are my simple

1657
01:47:07,300 --> 01:47:13,100
answers.
Yeah, those are simple.

1658
01:47:13,100 --> 01:47:16,700
A simple answers.
I think that those are hard

1659
01:47:16,700 --> 01:47:24,100
answers because I keep coming
back to two guys always well

1660
01:47:24,100 --> 01:47:28,500
three if you count the source
but I come back to three people

1661
01:47:28,500 --> 01:47:33,300
who won and did it very
unconventional, right?

1662
01:47:33,300 --> 01:47:36,700
You had Jesus who if you believe
who Jesus was?

1663
01:47:36,700 --> 01:47:41,700
Yeah, he could have snapped his
fingers and not died and

1664
01:47:42,500 --> 01:47:45,800
whatever but chose not to hit
back.

1665
01:47:49,200 --> 01:47:52,700
Whether you like him or not
Martin Luther King jr.

1666
01:47:53,500 --> 01:47:59,800
You know, he was like, read,
Jesus, read the Beatitudes and

1667
01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:03,900
then Be nonviolent, don't get
back.

1668
01:48:03,900 --> 01:48:08,200
And then Gandhi the same thing.
Gandhi openly said we're using

1669
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:13,200
the tactics of Jesus here.
Which really pisses me off

1670
01:48:13,200 --> 01:48:15,000
because I'm a big fan of hitting
back.

1671
01:48:15,300 --> 01:48:18,800
But at the end of the day I
think that's the only thing that

1672
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:23,200
wins right.
We have to we have to be able to

1673
01:48:23,700 --> 01:48:28,200
kind of take it to a certain
extent that extent being, you

1674
01:48:28,208 --> 01:48:33,000
know, bodily harm, obviously.
But I think I think more Nat I

1675
01:48:33,008 --> 01:48:36,900
think.
I think where the Communists

1676
01:48:36,900 --> 01:48:41,300
have been really good about
being able to infiltrate and

1677
01:48:41,300 --> 01:48:45,400
Slither Slither their way in.
I think we have to start doing a

1678
01:48:45,407 --> 01:48:49,300
better job of evangelizing for
things like Freedom, rugged,

1679
01:48:49,300 --> 01:48:53,400
individualism and capitalism,
and in those sorts of things.

1680
01:48:53,400 --> 01:48:57,600
But I don't know.
We'll see how it all shakes out.

1681
01:48:57,600 --> 01:49:01,500
But yeah, Julie, it was awesome.
Let's do this again.

1682
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:05,700
Sure, I'd love to.
What's what Like I said, stick

1683
01:49:05,700 --> 01:49:08,400
around for five minutes when
we're done recording, but I

1684
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:11,700
think you're a rock star.
I think that that your voice is

1685
01:49:11,700 --> 01:49:15,100
so needed right now because I
just don't think people are

1686
01:49:15,100 --> 01:49:18,100
aware and you're definitely out
there ringing the alarm Bell.

1687
01:49:18,100 --> 01:49:21,700
So I appreciate that.
But well, thanks for having me.

1688
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:24,400
You bet.
Let's uh, let's talk again and

1689
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:26,500
definitely keep me informed and
let me know when that

1690
01:49:26,500 --> 01:49:28,500
documentary comes out.
So I'd love to have you on

1691
01:49:28,500 --> 01:49:29,700
again.
Absolutely.

1692
01:49:29,900 --> 01:49:31,500
Alright.
Bye everybody.

1693
01:49:53,300 --> 01:49:56,100
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1694
01:49:53,300 --> 01:49:56,100
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