Episode #3 The Over Prescription Of Psychotropic Drugs

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This is one of those episodes.
I feel like I need to tell you

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the listener that if I end up
dead in the next couple weeks, I

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am a not suicidal and be never
go swimming with concrete boots

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on.
I told you at the very beginning

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of this podcast, if there'd be a
wide variety of topics on this

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episode, I talk with Am Blake
Tracy and has been leading the

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charge against the
over-prescription.

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Of psychotropic drugs for well
over 20 years.

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In this episode, we cover
everything from the history of

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those drugs, to Ann's
involvement.

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In high-profile cases.
Such as the Columbine, High

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School shooting and comes highly
credentialed.

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She has testified in front of
the FDA on multiple occasions as

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well as on talk shows and even
Fox News.

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Now, I want to say this in the
beginning and I are not doctors

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and in no way.
Should the things we talked

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about here, be construed to be
medical advice.

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Also, the views Press here are
mine and mine alone and do not

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reflect the views of the church
that I attend.

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So join me next as I talked to
an on this edition of the Mormon

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Renegade podcast,
Your listing to the Mormon

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Renegade podcast.
Well, and I can't I can't tell

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you how much it means to me that
you're on the podcast today.

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Realize that that you are
extremely busy.

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What was the name of your
organization again?

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International Coalition for drug
awareness and primarily, what,

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what's the focus of that group?
What is it?

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You guys do?
Are you into a like legislation?

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Are you into awareness?
What is it that you're that

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group, really does, probably all
of the above all people?

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Just don't understand enough
about prescription drugs or

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over-the-counter.
I mean, there's a huge lawsuit

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on right now for resent at
causing cancer and they've known

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that for 40 years but done
nothing about it.

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So, let me ask you this out of
all the things you could have

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pursued, throughout your life.
How did you get to this point,

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right?
Well, maybe what made you what

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was the point at which you were
like?

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Okay, this is a huge problem and
this is a A worthy enough.

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Cause I need to devote my time
here.

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What was it that got you to this
point?

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Well, I was the living in Salt
Lake City.

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Which I quickly learned about
1990 was a pharmaceutical

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Laboratory.
Really.

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And I was surrounded by people
that were on drugs.

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So when you say farmer
pharmaceutical Tory in the

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sense, do you feel like they
targeted that the drug

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companies, targeted Salt Lake
City, or that that it was just,

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you just happen to be someplace
where people were really using

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the psychotropic drugs.
I was told by someone that was

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targeted.
I mean, it seemed pretty obvious

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first, but it was kind of odd to
hear that from a Catholic fellow

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on the East Coast And I said,
oh, come on.

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Why would anybody care about
little bitty state in the middle

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of nowhere?
He said you don't understand.

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It's the only state left that as
a whole has good, strong family

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and moral values.
They want to break that to

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accomplish what they're trying
to accomplish and I'm afraid

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they've won.
So, At what point did you

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realize it was a big problem.
It was there a point where

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you're paying attention this
case because your mom to you,

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write your wife and a mother.
So you probably have seven

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thousand other things, right?
What was the moment where I

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guess we're like, hey, this
something's wrong right?

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Right away.
Right away, but it makes it

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became progressively worse and
worse and worse.

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I realized.
And that that guy was really

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right.
They had definitely targeted the

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state because of the steps that
they took It just to me, it was

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shocking, because the very first
thing that I saw was people who

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had never touched alcohol in
their lives becoming an

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alcoholic overnight.
I thought, what on Earth, and

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there were two friends in
particular, both of them LDS

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test, which meant they were
non-drinkers.

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But as soon as they got started
on Prozac and neither of these

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friends, knew each other, They
were separate friends of mine

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one male one female and both of
them were just drinking so

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heavily, I couldn't believe it,
the one ended up in a

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psychiatric ward because of the
mixing the two substances from

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Zach and alcohol.
She went psychotic And so it

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really hit home for you.
It was personal.

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This wasn't just right, I
academic exercise.

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No, I had just gone through the
temple with this friend who

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ended up in the psych ward.
So I was really shocked to see

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that kind of a change in her so
quickly.

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And it's a go ahead.
Sorry.

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No.
I was just going to say the

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other was male returned
missionary an assistant to his

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mission president.
And he was drinking like crazy.

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It just saw both of them really
stood out for me and so I

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finally they kept asking me both
of them, you know.

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We know that you know a lot
about help.

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Probably know a lot about drugs.
What do you know about Prozac?

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And I wasn't paying a whole lot
of attention, you know, busy

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going on with my life and then
finally I heard the beer and

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their voices.
And I thought, you know, this

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seems like it's a real problem
for them.

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Maybe I better check it out.
So I stopped by a local pharmacy

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and picked up a package insert.
And there it was plain as day

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listed in the All the adverse
reactions it causes

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hyperglycemia and my mom was
hypoglycemic.

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And so I had really looked into
that because I knew, I never

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wanted it.
I thought that's got to be the

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worst disease ever catch, can't
think straight to know what to

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do for yourself because you
start losing brain cells as soon

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as your sticker drops.
So I thought that's an awful

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thing to chemically induce and
somebody and that's why they're

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drinking.
You know, and they don't

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understand that it's just
chemical.

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So anyway, that's what I first
started.

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Looking at called AAA they could
carry blast.

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I thought they would Right, no
interest at all.

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So there was a camera crew news
crew from San Francisco but

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we're really interested in this
in particular because one of the

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reporters that had that happened
to her sister who ended up

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hanging herself.
So anyway, they were very

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interested.
They came out to Salt Lake did

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interviews with people that had
had that problem because I had a

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local Bishop that I'd contacted
trying to get hold of someone

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and Somehow we got started
talking about what I was doing,

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because the person I was looking
for her husband had committed

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suicide on Prozac and I had lost
her number and needed to talk to

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her.
Anyway, he said well, when I

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mentioned the alcohol, he said
I've got a return lady

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missionary in my ward and young
mother.

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Just two small children, she's
drinking so heavily that her

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husband's having to stay home
from work.

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Just to take care of the kids
while you drink if he can't

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stop.
And he said, you think he could

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help her and I said, sure.
So I met with her and her

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husband and explain to them what
the drug was doing to her and

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then started working with her to
help her wean off the drug.

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And as soon as she had gotten
past that gotten off the drug

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safely, have to go really
slowly.

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And she said, you know, I don't
even know how I knew it was

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alcohol.
I was craving because I've never

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tasted it my whole life.
So when when I saw what people

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were going through, I thought
this is terrible.

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Aren't there enough alcoholics
on the planet already?

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Do we need more?
That's really sad.

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Yeah, so it's explain for me
because I'm I'm kind of a

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novice, right?
I know that there's an issue but

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I do not understand the
physiology of how this works.

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What what does the pros?
Acts dude, that would, that

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would take a person who's never
tasted alcohol before on their

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lot and make them crave that,
right?

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Or turn to that.
What is it?

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That would would flip a switch
to be like hey that's what I

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need right, blood sugar.
Okay so when that happens, that

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is hyperglycemia.
So when you're doing your level,

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All drops, as I mentioned, you
immediately begin to lose brain

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cells, okay?
So the body will make you crave

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anything that will bring it up
quickly.

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In fact, doctors are supposed to
watch very closely for any drug

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that may drop blood sugar
because it is so critical to

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bring help.
And they're just totally missing

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it all the way around.
So that's why you crazy, right?

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White booze.
Why not like a candy bar or a

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whole chocolate cake or ice
cream?

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Or We crave that too.
Okay, so maybe so.

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Let me see if I'm understanding
correctly and again, I

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apologize.
I'm a slow guy here in learning

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about this.
So you got this person who's,

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you know, maybe feeling
off-kilter mentally, right?

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Can focused.
They don't even have that.

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I, you could go in and say
you're having a rough day.

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You're just really tired.
You haven't been able to sleep

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well lately, and you got a
prescription for this?

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In fact, I've said all you have
to do to get a prescription as

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walk past the doctor breathing,
and I don't know breathing's and

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requirement anymore, right?
So so the okay, so this person,

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you know, hey I'm having a bad
time, whatever it It is right.

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We know it's easy to get and
they may get this drug and then

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maybe they start out, maybe
eating a little more junk food

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and then maybe they smell, they
smell the alcohol.

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We know that certain things
within the body and you can

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correct me if I'm wrong, you're
way more knowledgeable.

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But I know for me, if my, if I
seem to be low in something,

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sometimes, if I smell a food
that has that compound in it,

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whether it's sugar or proteins
or anything, It'll smell very

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appetizing.
Is it a scenario where where the

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booze becomes accessible maybe
they're in a social setting and

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it just smells too good to pass
up or something and they take it

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and then all of a sudden it's
producing the effect that they

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want in conjunction with the
Prozac No, they're not even

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around it.
They don't have to smell it or

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anything.
It's just well.

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And if you look at anybody who's
trying to quit drinking, what

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are they doing instead?
Anybody who's ever been through

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one of those programs will tell
you that you will have every

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type of sugar available.
There is okay.

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The meetings are just full of it
because somehow the body knows

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it's got to get that trigger
level up, right?

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Ask any police officer who deals
with somebody in insulin shock.

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That is extremely low blood
sugar.

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So so the Prozac drops of blood
sugar and then write, if, you

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know, booze become extremely
appetizing kind of once they're

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around it and that's that's what
they go to.

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Right.
Okay.

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Now that that that makes more
sense.

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So, so you see this all come
down in about what year is this

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and that this all begins to
happen for you, where you start

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to see this beginning of 90, the
end of 89, okay, so you start

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seeing this come to fruition and
it's a big enough issue that you

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have your local Bishop reach out
to you.

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And say, hey, I I understand,
you know, a lot about health and

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can you help this woman and you
go to help?

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Or what's, what's kind of the
outcome there?

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How does that precede?
Did you get her?

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Get her clean so to speak.
Yeah.

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How'd you do that?
All the Cravings of alcohol left

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is the helped.
Her.

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Get off of the Prozac And did
she ever tell you why?

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She took the pros she ever tell
you, what was the impetus to

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get?
He had no idea.

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She said, I don't know how I
ever started craving it because

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I've never tasted it, never been
around it, my whole life.

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No, I'm sorry.
I mean, did did she talk to you

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about why she started taking
Prozac so much?

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The booze did she go?
I go to your doctor and say,

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hey, I'm just not feeling good.
I don't feel right.

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Mentally, I'm tired?
What, what, what was the then?

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Capital long?
I don't even I don't even

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remember now because it's been
so cold.

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But right about the same time I
had a guy who was He was some

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type of account Allure and he
called me and he said, you know,

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this is really a serious
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He said I've been working pretty
hard lately and yeah, I'm tired,

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but I came home the other day
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paper bag on my porch.
With a note that said, Gee you

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seem a little down lately.
This oughta really help.

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And it was a six month supply of
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He said he was just shocked out
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So we thought it was pretty
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called me.
So what?

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Let me ask you this.
So you go from noticing this on

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a person, right.
When do you decide that that?

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Okay, I need to do something a
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I need to More visible about
this because you've tested and

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you testified in front of the
FDA, how many times five times,

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okay, five times, you have to
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was that in Washington, d.c.
well.

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And did they, did they ask you
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No, you ask them if you can
testify, okay?

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And then you go in and you kind
of testify and then they hear

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what you have to say.
At what point are like three

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minutes of it.
All three, all three minutes.

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That's all you, get me.
If I'm wrong, is I was doing my

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research on you before I ever
reach out to you.

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I noticed you were even on Fox
News, correct.

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Gibbons I've been on parole.
Do you were on Geraldo to Holy

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Cow?
So so your, when did you decide?

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Okay, I need to get out there
and speak more publicly about

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this at what point did were you
like okay I got you something

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more Probably right around the
time.

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I first testified to that ba.
Because there were so many

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people there, with horrible
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them.
I was concerned because I had

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someone, a doctor share with me,
brain wave patterns of somebody

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on Prozac and it was a fellow
that was only about 30, 35

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somewhere right in there.
And you'd only been on Prozac

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for six months, but the
brainwaves showed he was in a

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toll anesthetic, sleep, State
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While I talk to the people who
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I'm gone.
Oh my gosh, there's nobody home.

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Here, right?
Why isn't anybody concerned?

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So, I took those brainwave with.
I took them with me to the FDA

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And I said somebody needs to
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really serious problem.
You don't want people running

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around with no brain wave
pattern, right?

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With them, totally asleep and
under anesthesia and running

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around.
I mean I at least studied enough

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at that point that I knew that
that's what PCP does PCP is and

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assertive anesthetic.
Where the brain goes out, but

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the body can continue moving.
And I don't know about you, but

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I don't ever want to be in that
state.

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No, I want to be in my bed.
Sound asleep.

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I don't want to be up running
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might happen.
And Prozac is really just the

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tip of the iceberg.
When we start talking about

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psychics that alter mental
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doctor, correct.
I mean there's a ton more.

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So Prozac just seems to be,
there's a lot of clones.

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They came out with Zoloft and
then And then Paxil and selectin

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Lexapro and they, they're still
pumping them out, right?

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With different names, as fast as
I can, and they all work the

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same way.
When was it that you could

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remember first seeing that?
Hey these these drugs are really

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starting to be targeted towards
children.

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At what point do you remember
seeing that happen?

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Early nineties and and that
about right.

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So I got married married, pretty
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I got married at 18 and it was
1995 and as I was thinking, I

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can't, I can remember maybe two
kids in my whole class growing

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up that were ever on Medicaid.
You could spot them because they

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kind of looked they have that
Faraway look in their eye,

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right?
Right.

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Now, from my own experience, I
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After gosh, I want to say it was
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I started noticing more and more
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me psychotropics, right?
And the thing in, thank of

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breath for them.
Yeah.

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Yeah, I remember reading one
that did the birthday of the

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really put it.
There was a place in Salt Lake

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call.
Called.

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The Children's Place or
something like that.

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And they were literally pushing
it to small children, right?

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I talked to a couple lit, they
had talked them, into putting

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their two-year-old on.
Prozac, how do you look a

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two-year-old?
I've had six kit, right?

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A Carol, if they're not bouncing
off the wall, that's usually a

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red flag.
That something is wrong, right?

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Hey, Ivan had a chiropractor.
Tell me that.

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He had a couple that.
Wanted to know what they could

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do for their child.
The baby was only a month old

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and they had it on.
So, lat really.

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And that was in Kansas.
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So they're like, just crushing
up like the doctor prescribes a

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low dose and they crush it up
and put it in into the baby's

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formula.
Holy crap.

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Okay, so so you see all this.
When do you, when do you begin

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to form your group or your
organization is a better word

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for it?
Probably about.

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Well, I started first, it was a
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survivors support group, he and
everybody wanted me to be the

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head of that group and I was no,
I'm starting to write about

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these drugs and I really don't
think I have the time and the

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following morning A young man
about 20 21 jumps.

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Right outside my office window.
And the police, he told the

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police before he died.
That he was on Prozac.

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So he had a client, I said, okay
guys, I'm heading the group, I

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won't back off any longer,
right, you bad?

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I thought somebody's trying to
tell me something that's why

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they say on those on all the
drug commercials the, you know,

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one of the side effects effects
could be suicidal ideation or

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Suicidal Thoughts.
So he was vile, ideation Is Not

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Just Thoughts either, right to
die.

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That's spooky.
And and look, I'm going to be

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real transparent here on this
episode.

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I'm a guy who adopt said a
twins, whose mother was on

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methamphetamine while my twins
were in utero and my, they,

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we've been so blessed because
they came through without any

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physical problems.
I mean, it took swallow gum

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healthy but They came through.
But later on jerem my son.

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We could tell that he was
fidgety, right?

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He was an see all the time and
he was a problem at school and

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write this words.
This was long before I had my

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eyes open to it and so the
teachers were like you should

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really have them, see a doctor.
And so we take him in and the

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first thing they want to do our
cram these pills down his

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throat, right?
And because they were Born with

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low blood sugar, right?
And, you know, they I felt that

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it was, this is the part where
I'm ashamed to admit, an is

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because I felt like, I felt
horrible doing it, right?

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I felt like this wasn't right,
but at the same time, I'm like,

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doctors have helped me nurse
these kids back to health from

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the brink of death.
Literally, when they're first

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born, I got to keep trusting
them, right?

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I mean, I'm not a Expert in.
And I remember the day I gave my

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son.
His first pill I wept I wept

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because I knew something wasn't
right.

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But and I felt conflicted that
if I go against the doctor's

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orders, am I putting my son in a
worse position and so we did it

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right?
And then Ron, you know, and it

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was years, it was, it was
probably five years worth and

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He's not getting any better and
he start in these episodes while

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he's on it right where he just
gets angry and and a little bit

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aggressive and I'm like these
pills are help.

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So we take him back in and
they're like well maybe we need

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to adjust the dose and I'm like,
before we do that, let's let's

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look at some other stuff and
they're like well let's go get

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have them see a psychiatrist and
a counselor and so we do that

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and then they're like, okay,
let's go get him.

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A full-on psychiatric.
We do that and they come back

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to, we're going to up the dose
and again, I feel conflicted,

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right?
I'm like, I don't know what to

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do, right?
And and this is my impetus for

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really reaching out to you, is
because I can't be the only guy

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in this situation.
So, me and my wife were feeling

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conflicting.
We're like, okay, we're going to

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do what the doctor says and we
upped the dose and please is

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over, right?
And he does that for a couple

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months and then it's like he
builds a resistance and he

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eventually Gets to the point to
where he's right back to being

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aggressive, he's having suicidal
thoughts and I'm going to call

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it what it is, right?
And and I basically got on my

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knees and said, prayers like I
hadn't said prayers in a long

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time and I'm like, this is your
son to God.

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It's not mine.
I do apologize for getting a

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little emotional here, but I was
like, I don't know what to do

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with the fear of losing him.
Scares me so badly.

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What do I do?
But he's your son too.

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What do you want me to do?
And it was just that night.

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When I said that prayer with my
wife, it was very apparent.

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Just stop the drugs.
It was drugs that got him here

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and it's drugged, and drugs
aren't going to fix it.

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I believe it was Einstein who
actually said the person who

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creates the problem, very
seldomly as a person that can

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fix it.
And so I I looked at it at that

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way and we stuck cold turkey,
right?

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And and and that was, you know,
because I didn't know any

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better, right?
But I just stopped cold turkey

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and it was about week's worth of
you know combat of this and

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anger and all those things but
after about three weeks and it

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will it was a miracle.
He like came back into his eyes,

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he was settled down.
This was two years ago today, he

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is a kid.
Who does online school by

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himself?
Gets good grades.

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He holds down a part-time job.
He is full of D and life and he,

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he, he's either running around
the neighborhood or doing sports

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or something, but he's a
different kid and he's so much

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better well-adjusted.
And I check with him, probably

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once a week.
Are you having any bad thoughts?

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and and so I looked at that and
I was like This happened to me

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granted.
I'm not the sharpest tool in the

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shed.
I know it could.

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It's probably happened in the
somebody else.

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Oh yeah.
And in fact every time I'm asked

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to lecture 2 At school or a
youth group the kids will always

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say, well what about Ritalin?
And I say, well, the chemical

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name for Ritalin is methyl,
phenyl date.

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So what is it?
May all our meth and I say good,

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you're right, go home and tell
your parents.

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They haven't figured it out yet.
Right.

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So long that was happening is
the poor kid.

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Was addicted to that drug in the
womb and as do they get closer

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as they get further away and as
I get closer to puberty where

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their bodies going through so
many changes, they will start

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reverting back to that
addiction, right?

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Because they need more nutrients
that have been robbed from them

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by the drugs.
Okay, so that's in its.

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So my kids were adopted to and
they were both born with

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hypoglycemia.
Okay, my daughter's father

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committed, suicide at about age
18 or 19.

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They said he had so much alcohol
in his blood that they had never

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seen it before.
Wow.

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So, and my son, I found out was
conceived while the parents were

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drunk. so, Anyway, I raised them
where they did not get sugar.

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And they were very calm.
I just managed their sugar the

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whole time, and made sure that
their diet fit what they needed

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to go through.
And they would go to business

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meetings with me and just sit
there quietly through the whole

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thing and listen, Wow.
Yeah, all right.

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So I I'm sorry, I kind of got
off on a tangent.

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There, telling telling my why it
was, I felt like this subject

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was so important, but not a
tangent.

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I mean, so many families are
going through this, right?

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I tangent as far as making it
personal, but so so let's, let's

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00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:48,900
catch up here in the story.
So you have several brushes with

450
00:33:48,900 --> 00:33:51,900
this seeing that there's a A
problem with the psychotropics

451
00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:56,600
that they're, they're
administering, 22 people, you

452
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,800
get in, with the group.
Prozac drivers group, you become

453
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,700
the head of that.
At some point, I'm guessing that

454
00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:07,300
probably morphs into your, the,
the current organization that

455
00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:10,699
you had now, correct.
Yes.

456
00:34:10,699 --> 00:34:14,100
And I had written a small
booklet.

457
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,900
Just before all this part
happened.

458
00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:21,500
Okay, console problem.
Pandora.

459
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:23,699
Okay.
All right.

460
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:30,400
And so then that very first
hearing at the FDA was in 91

461
00:34:30,699 --> 00:34:33,800
September of 91.
Okay.

462
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:40,400
So I met all these people that
have been through this including

463
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:45,400
Dale, Shannon's Widow, who has
become a very good friend over

464
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,199
the years.
I don't know if you remember

465
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:51,800
Dale, I don't why don't why
don't you give us a quick some

466
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,500
quick background on who deal
was.

467
00:34:54,300 --> 00:35:00,800
He was a very very popular
singer in the 60s. 50s 60s.

468
00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:05,000
Run away.
My little runaway.

469
00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:09,300
Okay.
Yep that was his big hit.

470
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:17,800
Anyhow, he had taken.
He had had a previous problem

471
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,200
with alcohol.
And had become a real health

472
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,200
nut.
He would not touch anything.

473
00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:30,900
That was chemical.
It all had to be natural.

474
00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:36,300
His doctor lied to him and told
him the Prozac he was burned out

475
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:40,500
because it's career was taking
off again, and he just had so

476
00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:42,900
many gigs, he could hardly keep
up with it.

477
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,800
And so, I went to the doctor
and, of course, the doctor

478
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:53,400
solution was Prozac and the
doctor lied to him told him.

479
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,900
It wasn't even a chemical.
It was a mineral he was missing

480
00:35:56,900 --> 00:36:01,200
in a drain.
And 15 days later he was dead.

481
00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:04,800
By Suicide.
Yes.

482
00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:11,300
The Yeah, that's my point to the
grocery store just down the

483
00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:16,600
street came home and found that
he had shot himself as soon as

484
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:23,600
she.
So anyway, it was so many

485
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:31,000
families like that.
And As soon as I got back, I Ran

486
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:36,500
by A good friends home in Provo,
who was Robert Redford's

487
00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:38,600
mother-in-law.
No.

488
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,300
Wow.
And we always spent every fourth

489
00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:46,300
of July at their house cuz they
lived right there on the Main

490
00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:52,000
Street and anyway they weren't
home.

491
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:57,300
So I just stuck a copy of my
book in their front door and

492
00:36:57,300 --> 00:37:01,400
said, just wanted to update you
on what I've been up to lately

493
00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:07,500
and I got a postcard in the mail
a few days later.

494
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,300
That said, thank you so much.
This helps us to understand what

495
00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:16,200
we've been through lately.
I all my God.

496
00:37:16,300 --> 00:37:19,300
No.
So, I picked up the phone and

497
00:37:19,300 --> 00:37:22,500
called her and I said, Phyllis,
what on Earth are you talking

498
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:26,200
about what's happened?
And she said that she and her

499
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:32,600
husband had gone to New Orleans.
For a vacation during the Mardi

500
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,600
Gras.
And they got jumped.

501
00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:43,800
And they were robbed but her
husband, hit its head.

502
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,300
You don't ever want to take one
of these drugs, if you've got a

503
00:37:47,308 --> 00:37:54,800
head injury, Anyway, it would
they got home and within a month

504
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,500
or so Frank had lost five
friends?

505
00:38:00,700 --> 00:38:03,700
In that short amount of time,
and of course he was a

506
00:38:03,707 --> 00:38:08,000
depressed.
That's normal, right?

507
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,500
You lose friends or you're going
to be depressed, but anyway,

508
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:17,800
they gave him Prozac.
And within a week, they

509
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:24,200
diagnosed him with rapid onset
Alzheimers, and they wanted to

510
00:38:24,207 --> 00:38:29,400
put him in a institution and
luckily Lola Redford's wife

511
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,700
said, absolutely not.
You know, you take him off this

512
00:38:33,700 --> 00:38:37,800
drug.
And they refuse to do it.

513
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,600
She said, fine, we'll take him
home and take him off.

514
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,900
Know what they said to her.
What's it luck?

515
00:38:44,900 --> 00:38:50,200
Good luck.
And doctors still claim.

516
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,400
They don't know these drugs have
warble withdrawal.

517
00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:02,000
But she was able to me mama.
But I mean he was he was fine

518
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:02,900
after that, right?
No.

519
00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:08,500
Signs of Alzheimer's or anything
else that may disappeared what a

520
00:39:08,508 --> 00:39:16,600
coincidence, right?
So so you're really getting

521
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:21,000
well-read at this point.
Let me ask you about some of the

522
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:26,400
history on these on these, the
psychotropics that are

523
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:31,700
prescribed by doctors wear.
Do they come from innocent in

524
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:34,100
essence right at what point did
someone say?

525
00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:35,800
You know what?
I think that this certain

526
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,900
compound can help this person
with this kind of ailment.

527
00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:44,300
Who starts who started is the
one that really starts to

528
00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:46,800
development for the psychotropic
drugs.

529
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,200
Whoever wants to make a quick
buck.

530
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,600
So after lunch about.
So what's this worthy

531
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:01,400
psychotropics initially done by
suitable companies where they

532
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,100
initially done by by the
government.

533
00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:07,100
I mean, what, where does this
come from?

534
00:40:08,300 --> 00:40:13,100
Well, when I first started
looking, I read absolutely

535
00:40:13,100 --> 00:40:19,600
everything.
I could get my hands on. and, I

536
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,800
ran across a bunch of
information on the MKUltra

537
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:28,000
program.
Zi a had going on right?

538
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,100
Which is horrendous?
Yeah.

539
00:40:31,300 --> 00:40:34,100
Oh my gosh.
What they did and not a

540
00:40:34,107 --> 00:40:37,400
conspiracy theory, right?
I want to get that out there

541
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,200
right now.
Yeah, it was real.

542
00:40:40,900 --> 00:40:43,700
You can go.
There's still parts that are

543
00:40:43,707 --> 00:40:48,900
redacted.
But MKUltra in the, the 60s and

544
00:40:49,100 --> 00:40:53,000
Ben was, if I'm not mistaken you
can correct me if I'm wrong.

545
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,400
You've done more research on
this and I have it was a CIA

546
00:40:56,900 --> 00:41:01,700
operation to and it wasn't like
just one program.

547
00:41:01,700 --> 00:41:05,800
There was a ton of programs
under MKUltra.

548
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,400
One that I remember from my
reading was one called I climax

549
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:15,000
where they would hire
prostitutes to slip their John's

550
00:41:15,700 --> 00:41:19,100
certain psychotropics, and then
they would watch as the John On.

551
00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:21,000
Yeah.
Whether John would then spill

552
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,500
his guts and they were like okay
this is something we can use in

553
00:41:24,500 --> 00:41:31,800
foreign policy or whatever.
So right there was a ton of

554
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,300
sub-programs if you were under
the the MKUltra umbrella.

555
00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:40,300
Is that correct?
Yeah and it all seemed to start

556
00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:45,700
about the time, the CIA ran
Operation Paperclip.

557
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:54,000
For they brought 1600.
Criminal Nazi doctors.

558
00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:00,200
Out of the Nuremberg trials,
which is interesting.

559
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,200
Because when you go back and do
the history on World War Two, we

560
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,400
know that the Nazis were given
German soldiers,

561
00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:12,600
methamphetamine, that kind of
Quasi super soldier in the sense

562
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,500
that they just didn't fear death
because they were so whacked out

563
00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:18,100
on whatever it was, they were
doing that.

564
00:42:18,100 --> 00:42:21,700
They were getting some amazing
results so to speak.

565
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:27,800
And if anybody has Yeah, of the
concentration camps.

566
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:35,500
You know, immediately I could
not, I had to run out of Dachau.

567
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:42,700
I couldn't be there, it was the
most horrible feeling and the

568
00:42:42,700 --> 00:42:46,700
pictures of people holding their
heads and screaming.

569
00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:53,600
You knew that it was a facility
where they were using those

570
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,700
people as guinea pigs.
Right.

571
00:42:57,700 --> 00:42:59,900
Well he was young clear America
today.

572
00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:06,200
Yeah well yeah and we know that
that the manga Lord had done a

573
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,500
ton of stuff and we know that
there were other German

574
00:43:08,500 --> 00:43:12,300
scientists that were
experimenting with substances to

575
00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:19,900
alter, you know, people's
perceptions and people's ability

576
00:43:19,900 --> 00:43:24,500
to fight harder and longer.
And so this you can definitely

577
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:31,200
doctors and then Media were hung
after the trial, right?

578
00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:36,500
Except for the ones that are CIA
brought here, right?

579
00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:42,500
So in your search in your
research, would you say that

580
00:43:42,500 --> 00:43:46,300
that the first development at
least here in the states with

581
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:50,500
with the psychotropics comes
from, from the government, in

582
00:43:50,500 --> 00:43:52,400
the sense that it's
government-funded?

583
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,100
They want to get this out.
And, you know, there may be

584
00:43:56,300 --> 00:44:00,700
Seeing some applications for
information, extraction from

585
00:44:00,700 --> 00:44:03,400
other foreign Nationals.
Is that kind of the impetus for

586
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,900
how the howl, all these
psychotropics, begin to find

587
00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:12,400
their way to Market.
Well what I found before I put

588
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:19,300
my large book out.
After all the research was that

589
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:25,400
Congress caught on to what all
was happening because the CIA

590
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:30,400
was drugged Taking prisoners,
they were drugging military.

591
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,400
They were dragging anybody that
they could think of to drug.

592
00:44:35,900 --> 00:44:38,700
That was in a position where
they could get control over

593
00:44:38,700 --> 00:44:41,700
them.
Because they thought LSD was the

594
00:44:41,707 --> 00:44:46,100
greatest thing ever.
They used 80% of their initial

595
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:49,900
budget to buy up all the LSD
they could.

596
00:44:51,300 --> 00:44:59,200
When they could not get LSD,
that was grown on ergot fungus,

597
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,800
which is the way it was first
discovered.

598
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:10,700
They brought their 80% of their
initial budget back to America

599
00:45:10,700 --> 00:45:14,200
went straight to Eli.
Lilly pharmaceutical company.

600
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:20,100
And said, we need a synthetic
version of this drug so that we

601
00:45:20,100 --> 00:45:24,100
can use it for mind-control.
Otherwise we can't use it in our

602
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:27,900
program.
We got to have it by the

603
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:30,000
truckload if we're going to do
this.

604
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:36,800
Lily developed.
Eli, Lilly developed the

605
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:42,900
synthetic version of LSD.
To show you how much of a

606
00:45:42,900 --> 00:45:47,700
problem there was with it.
Some of the finest Obstetricians

607
00:45:47,700 --> 00:45:51,300
and Salt Lake were giving it
pregnant women.

608
00:45:54,200 --> 00:46:00,900
So okay, hang tight real quick.
Under what pretenses were they

609
00:46:00,900 --> 00:46:07,100
telling women to take?
I'm sure that no idea I mean

610
00:46:07,500 --> 00:46:10,000
because because I'm trying to
make the connection right here

611
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:14,400
and where a woman has a large
two, dimes telling them not to

612
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:20,100
drink water from the tap.
But Obstetricians were telling

613
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:23,900
them to take Ella 2D.
Hello.

614
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:31,000
Yeah and I'm trying to think of
of what would be the impetus.

615
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,600
Right?
What what what the woman's going

616
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,200
in and she's saying I'm
suffering from what?

617
00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:39,300
And the doctor goes.
Well, I got your cure it's it's

618
00:46:39,900 --> 00:46:44,800
it's this hallucinogen.
Hmm, what happened after that

619
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:49,800
was when Congress caught wind of
what all was going on with

620
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,600
MKUltra.
And Ellis d.

621
00:46:54,900 --> 00:47:04,600
They had a hearing and band LSD.
And a reporter turned to the

622
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:10,100
people from the CIA and said
after that hearing, wow, what

623
00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:13,500
are you going to do now with
your mind control program

624
00:47:14,500 --> 00:47:21,100
without LSD?
They didn't even skip a beat.

625
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,300
They looked at her and said,
well, we'll turn to the

626
00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:31,600
pharmaceutical companies to see
what they come up with, in the

627
00:47:31,607 --> 00:47:36,000
way of a drug used for
psychoanalysis or something that

628
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,700
we can use for mind control.
I mean that icon.

629
00:47:39,700 --> 00:47:42,400
Okay.
You just put up a big neon sign

630
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:47,100
saying hey you want a good big
government contract.

631
00:47:47,100 --> 00:47:55,500
Come up with a new drug for us
and Lily had been delivering the

632
00:47:55,500 --> 00:48:00,700
LSD to them for a decade.
They were the ones with the

633
00:48:00,700 --> 00:48:02,500
contract.
They were the ones who

634
00:48:02,500 --> 00:48:09,300
immediately lost the contract.
When Congress, banned the drug

635
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:19,800
when you came to climb lines
together, to me, it is very

636
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:27,100
clear because my brother I was
living in that area, right about

637
00:48:27,100 --> 00:48:33,400
the time LSD was band.
And he met someone working for

638
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:39,100
Eli Lilly who was head over
heels with the idea that they

639
00:48:39,100 --> 00:48:43,700
were coming up with a new drug,
that was gonna get rid of

640
00:48:43,700 --> 00:48:49,800
depression all together.
That was Prozac.

641
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:57,800
I believe.
That Prozac replaced LSD.

642
00:49:00,100 --> 00:49:02,500
And it took care of their
contract.

643
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:08,700
Between the CIA and Eli Lilly
kept them in business.

644
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,500
And that's probably why they
were hurting pretty bad about

645
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:18,200
the time that they were getting
Prozac out there and getting it

646
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:23,500
approved because their own
scientists came to the heads of

647
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:28,900
the head.
Scientists are Lily and said, we

648
00:49:28,900 --> 00:49:32,500
have a problem here because it
looks like prozac's actually

649
00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:39,200
causing suicide.
And I don't know what he was on,

650
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,100
but he actually did enough to
write in a memo.

651
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:49,000
That Lilly couldn't afford to
lose Prozac.

652
00:49:49,900 --> 00:49:55,200
So what they were supposed to
tell the families of those who

653
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,800
died of suicide on Prozac, was
it?

654
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:04,200
It must have been caused by
their underlying depression.

655
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,500
They were not to tell them that
it was the drug.

656
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,900
He put it in my mouth.
Luckily, our attorneys found

657
00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:20,200
that and they said Ali tons.
And tons of cases to keep it out

658
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:24,100
of news.
But people are continuing to

659
00:50:24,100 --> 00:50:29,200
die.
So, terrible death.

660
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:36,800
So that is the background on how
how the drug that the

661
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,600
psychotropics really begin to
hit the market.

662
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,500
It's all about, you know, the
government contractor cancelled.

663
00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:47,500
So now we have to go somewhere
else to recoup our money so to

664
00:50:47,508 --> 00:50:50,100
speak.
So we'll put it on the market as

665
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:56,400
an antidepressant and it'll,
it'll It'll pay for itself that

666
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,100
way.
And and I would dare to guess by

667
00:50:58,100 --> 00:51:00,600
the number of people who are
using psychotropic drugs right

668
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,900
now, it's off the chart in
there.

669
00:51:02,900 --> 00:51:04,800
They're making money hand over
fist.

670
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:09,900
Oh yeah.
So and they had 17 points, they

671
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:15,000
wanted to achieve with that new
drug.

672
00:51:16,300 --> 00:51:21,600
And I saw a list of that Captain
Joyce Riley, shared that with me

673
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:28,800
at a press conference in about,
96 down, in Southern California.

674
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,000
And when I read that list, I
couldn't breathe.

675
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,300
Oh my gosh.
It, and it took the wind right

676
00:51:38,300 --> 00:51:42,800
out of me because there was only
one thing I saw in the list that

677
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:48,600
I had not seen Prozac causing I
can't remember what the one

678
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:53,300
thing was but anyway I do
remember a whole lot of the

679
00:51:53,300 --> 00:51:58,700
other 16 that it fit perfectly
and one of those is something

680
00:51:58,700 --> 00:52:02,400
we're seeing absolutely
everywhere that I've been

681
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,900
warning about for 30 years.
What's that?

682
00:52:05,900 --> 00:52:14,500
Matt is change in gender.
Let's let's table that for a

683
00:52:14,508 --> 00:52:16,400
second.
I want to come back to that.

684
00:52:17,500 --> 00:52:22,200
I want to explore that deeply
here but there's only about 100

685
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,000
of those now I think, right?
I want to thank you.

686
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,900
I want to go down the line of
back to your story.

687
00:52:30,300 --> 00:52:34,300
So you start the group hurt.
You head up one group, it,

688
00:52:34,300 --> 00:52:38,900
morphs into the other, you're
testifying at the FDA?

689
00:52:39,100 --> 00:52:43,700
You're on Geraldo, you're on
snooze.

690
00:52:43,700 --> 00:52:45,800
You you're getting out there,
right?

691
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,400
And I mean, look, It's not hard
to find, right?

692
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:54,000
If you just go Google and Blake
Tracy, you're going to see

693
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,800
everything come up and you
articulate your well-spoken.

694
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:02,200
You got your facts straight.
So at any point, you feel like

695
00:53:02,700 --> 00:53:05,400
starting to make a dent, we're
starting to wake people up.

696
00:53:05,500 --> 00:53:09,200
Was there a point at which you
felt like a we're doing

697
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,500
something.
And and can you can you tell me

698
00:53:11,500 --> 00:53:16,100
about that?
I started testifying in criminal

699
00:53:16,100 --> 00:53:27,200
cases and Following the drugs
and back in 1992. and, Then.

700
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:37,900
I got very interested as well in
the hole and been Redux the Asco

701
00:53:39,500 --> 00:53:43,100
and I don't know how many people
remember, what a horrible thing

702
00:53:43,100 --> 00:53:48,600
that was and how many died and
that and how they were jerked

703
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:56,300
off of the drug cold turkey.
But they those drugs worked very

704
00:53:56,300 --> 00:53:59,500
much the way these
antidepressants do.

705
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:09,100
And they cause similar problems.
In fact, I had one woman who's a

706
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:15,700
very well-known psychologist,
who is on television a lot?

707
00:54:16,700 --> 00:54:21,700
She said, when she came out that
drug, she sat with a knife to

708
00:54:21,700 --> 00:54:27,000
her chest for days.
She said, had my mother not come

709
00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:30,500
to stay with me.
I would have used it.

710
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,600
Geez, and that was from the
abrupt withdrawal from that

711
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:43,300
drug, right?
So anyway, What happened?

712
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:51,600
They were pulled in 97.
And right about that time, dr.

713
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:56,700
Candace pert, whose research was
used to develop.

714
00:54:56,700 --> 00:55:02,100
Prozac, she was not involved but
they took all of her research

715
00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:06,000
and used it.
Is she came up with the

716
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:11,700
serotonin binding process, her
neurotransmitter binding process

717
00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:16,400
that made them possible and she
came out publicly in Time.

718
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:21,500
Magazine calling these drugs
monsters to that she wished.

719
00:55:21,900 --> 00:55:26,900
Her research would never have
been used in any way to create

720
00:55:26,900 --> 00:55:32,200
these drugs.
And she here she is one of the

721
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,900
top psychopharmacologist in the
country.

722
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:42,800
So I want to back up, okay?
You get that woman comes out and

723
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,500
says, you know, these are
monsters that that I helped

724
00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:50,000
create and you said you thought
that, that going to be the end

725
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,300
of it.
I thought surely it would be the

726
00:55:53,300 --> 00:55:54,400
end of it.
Here.

727
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:58,600
She's the one that said did all
the research that made them

728
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,500
possible.
And here you can see the monster

729
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,800
and so you feel like you were
not to take them, right?

730
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,900
So you thought you thought,
okay, this is the end, see the

731
00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:12,700
light at the end of the tunnel.
We're gonna win this thing,

732
00:56:12,700 --> 00:56:14,600
right?
That's probably what you're

733
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,800
thinking, like, how much more
evidence do I need the person

734
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,600
who created this, they're
calling a monsters, and we're

735
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,600
going to, we're going to rid
ourselves of this permanently.

736
00:56:25,300 --> 00:56:31,200
What happened contacted her and
we joined forces Yeah.

737
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,200
So, so what, what was the result
of that?

738
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:40,800
Nobody cared.
And why do you think that?

739
00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:45,800
What why do you think that is?
Well, there was no media.

740
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,900
There's no denying coverage
media, that's what project

741
00:56:50,900 --> 00:56:58,000
Mockingbird was all about.
So, if this was, which I now do

742
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:02,400
believe it was something that
was ordered by them.

743
00:57:03,500 --> 00:57:09,200
Okay, of course, there would be
no media and it was really hard,

744
00:57:09,700 --> 00:57:14,700
you know, getting anything out.
I was expert and comedian.

745
00:57:14,700 --> 00:57:22,200
Phil Hartman's murder suicide.
I had been at A hearing for a

746
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:26,900
woman in Lyman.
Wyoming just a day before that

747
00:57:26,900 --> 00:57:29,500
happened.
And it was identical.

748
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:36,700
It was the nicest lady in town
who was being prosecuted for

749
00:57:36,700 --> 00:57:43,200
murdering her husband And when I
spoke with her, she said, I

750
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:50,300
can't tell you what happened.
All I know is, I came to, and I

751
00:57:50,300 --> 00:57:55,700
was standing at the top of my
stairs with a Smoking Gun in my

752
00:57:55,700 --> 00:57:58,900
hand.
And my husband was laying in

753
00:57:58,900 --> 00:58:02,800
another room and bed with a
bullet through his head.

754
00:58:04,300 --> 00:58:06,700
So I assumed I must have done
it.

755
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,400
So I walked over to the
Sheriff's Office and turn myself

756
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:16,200
in.
And she was on Paxil.

757
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,000
So anyway, I had just driven
back from Lyman.

758
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:27,700
Wyoming down to Salt Lake the
night before, and woke up the

759
00:58:27,700 --> 00:58:31,800
following morning to what had
just happened.

760
00:58:33,900 --> 00:58:39,900
In Encino, California in the
hospital and you were an expert

761
00:58:39,900 --> 00:58:41,500
witness in the Phil Hartman
case.

762
00:58:42,100 --> 00:58:47,100
Yeah, holy cow.
And you you seem to have been

763
00:58:47,100 --> 00:58:51,400
involved in some pretty big
things, look, if you're being

764
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,400
called as an expert witness, I
can speak to you.

765
00:58:55,408 --> 00:58:59,900
Just from my line of work, not
podcasting, but what I do a job.

766
00:58:59,900 --> 00:59:03,900
If you're called as an expert
witness, you can bank that Is it

767
00:59:03,900 --> 00:59:06,000
pardon the expression?
You got your crap together,

768
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,600
right?
I mean, you're respected.

769
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,900
What you can be taken almost as
gospel.

770
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,600
So you're getting called to
these things and you keep

771
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,800
sounding the alarm.
It's got to be frustrating that

772
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:24,300
that despite you're doing.
It's not making any n roads, it

773
00:59:24,300 --> 00:59:27,400
gets worse.
Yeah, it's worse.

774
00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:32,100
Well, I got the Hartman case on
Dateline.

775
00:59:34,100 --> 00:59:36,200
And that apparently made him
really mad.

776
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,000
Hang tight.
Who's this?

777
00:59:39,500 --> 00:59:44,800
Who did you make mad?
The dirt farm?

778
00:59:46,900 --> 00:59:50,400
Hey Carlton.
The Pharma Mafia, right?

779
00:59:50,900 --> 00:59:56,900
And and I got called in on a
deposition in a case that I had

780
00:59:56,900 --> 01:00:02,400
nothing to do with and the
attorney said, look, I need a

781
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:09,200
favor and, You're the one they
want.

782
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:16,200
He said, I know you have nothing
to do with this case, but I need

783
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:22,600
something and they'll give it to
me if I give him you and I said,

784
01:00:22,700 --> 01:00:28,700
okay, if it'll help this case,
I'll do it. so I went in and

785
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:33,700
they ask one or two questions
about the 13 year-old, but hung

786
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:41,300
himself after only seven days
until law and then they changed

787
01:00:41,300 --> 01:00:48,600
it and said, Weren't you the one
that called the Hartman family,

788
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:55,100
the day of their deaths?
I said, no, it was actually the

789
01:00:55,107 --> 01:01:00,200
day after then, why didn't you
make the call who made it my

790
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:04,100
responsibility?
Why aren't you concerned enough

791
01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:07,900
about what is happening with
your drug that you're out there?

792
01:01:07,900 --> 01:01:12,100
Following up on these tragedies
to see if your drug might be

793
01:01:12,100 --> 01:01:15,200
involved?
The next person who dies could

794
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,000
be your wife, your son, your
daughter.

795
01:01:18,300 --> 01:01:23,700
Of course, I got nothing but the
poker face. we're trained to

796
01:01:23,700 --> 01:01:31,000
produce, so, Anyway, I
obviously, I made them pretty

797
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,600
upset I guess and they were
upset that I was looking at a

798
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,100
federal judge who had just
killed his wife and himself.

799
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,600
I knew he was on an
antidepressant, but after that

800
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:51,100
little meeting, I knew, which
antidepressant he was taking So

801
01:01:51,100 --> 01:01:57,700
you ordered all of my
transcripts from kindergarten on

802
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:03,400
all of my email, it was just
crazy.

803
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:12,800
It was like going after a nap
with the atom bomb, So after

804
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,600
that, the next year is 20
Columbine happened.

805
01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:19,100
Right.
Let's, let's stop there first,

806
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,100
because again, I want to get
into those things.

807
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:28,300
Let's let me ask you this.
Once you start making a dent

808
01:02:28,300 --> 01:02:31,800
because each even though they're
kind of trying to suppress your

809
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,700
voice a little bit, you're still
making inroads right.

810
01:02:34,700 --> 01:02:39,800
You're still making progress at
what happened?

811
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:40,300
What?
What?

812
01:02:40,500 --> 01:02:45,600
The drug companies do in
response to all the testimony

813
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,700
that you're given, right?
Because you're not just in

814
01:02:47,700 --> 01:02:52,200
court.
You're Nightline you're on Fox

815
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:56,900
News, you're on her although
you're taking it to them, so to

816
01:02:56,908 --> 01:03:00,900
speak.
What do they do fonts to you?

817
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:07,100
Well, that's what they did.
I also found out that the year

818
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,900
Book came out.
It really went into all of this

819
01:03:12,900 --> 01:03:22,100
came out the summer of 94. and
the following year, my small

820
01:03:22,100 --> 01:03:26,900
Hometown in Arizona.
Became the suicide capital of

821
01:03:26,900 --> 01:03:31,600
the nation.
And the attorneys I was working

822
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:37,300
with were shocked.
They said how on Earth is just

823
01:03:37,300 --> 01:03:40,900
going on in your little
hometown.

824
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:49,400
I said, good question.
It was no whose Sheriff.

825
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:55,200
Richard Mack is.
I grew up with them.

826
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:59,700
He was the sheriff in our town
at the time.

827
01:03:59,700 --> 01:04:06,500
He now heads, the Constitutional
Sheriff's group, okay?

828
01:04:07,700 --> 01:04:15,200
And Is trying to help Sheriff's
understand, but they are

829
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:22,700
basically the ultimate power in
their counties and can hold up

830
01:04:22,700 --> 01:04:28,000
just about anybody, right?
So, he's out there doing that.

831
01:04:28,100 --> 01:04:33,800
He said, when I contacted him
about what was going on, oh,

832
01:04:34,300 --> 01:04:37,800
I've had to bring three of my
best buddies on one body bags on

833
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:41,100
those drug.
All, I've been Sheriff here.

834
01:04:42,500 --> 01:04:46,300
And so you think that just to
make sure I understand you

835
01:04:46,300 --> 01:04:48,600
correctly here.
You think the Drake?

836
01:04:48,700 --> 01:04:50,900
What did the area with the
drugs?

837
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:54,700
Okay.
All right.

838
01:04:54,900 --> 01:04:58,500
Did they do anything to get
somebody right?

839
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:03,600
You know and they have taken out
plenty of my family doing that.

840
01:05:06,300 --> 01:05:10,000
Was there anything more personal
did they ever, you know, calls

841
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:14,000
or threatened legal action or
anything like that?

842
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:23,100
no, just the wanting, all of my
email and All of my transcripts

843
01:05:23,100 --> 01:05:29,200
from kindergarten on, you know,
that I think was to the Big Show

844
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:34,100
of power got you because they
sent their lead attorney asked

845
01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:36,000
me.
Wow!

846
01:05:36,500 --> 01:05:38,700
Wow.
But never wanted me to come to

847
01:05:38,700 --> 01:05:41,900
Colorado and I said, if you want
me, you got to come to Salt

848
01:05:41,900 --> 01:05:45,300
Lake, right?
Right.

849
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:50,900
And so they're their estimation
there, they're doing everything

850
01:05:50,900 --> 01:05:53,000
they can.
And to be like, look, we can we

851
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,900
can do certain things here but
they don't ever go for a lawsuit

852
01:05:56,900 --> 01:06:00,800
because I'm guessing that your
documentation and your science

853
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,100
is pretty irrefutable.
Would that would that be a

854
01:06:03,100 --> 01:06:07,200
correct assessment of the
evidence against each drugs.

855
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:11,800
Absolutely overwhelming.
So overwhelming that their own

856
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:17,100
expert and a mass murder suicide
case out of Wyoming?

857
01:06:19,700 --> 01:06:25,100
Actually testified to the fact
that and I quoted him

858
01:06:25,100 --> 01:06:32,800
extensively in my book.
And he came on that case and

859
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:40,400
testified that what you should
expect from a drug that inhibits

860
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:45,700
the metabolism of Serotonin.
These are serotonin reuptake

861
01:06:45,700 --> 01:06:53,000
which is metabolism serotonin
reuptake Inhibitors and he said

862
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,000
when you inhibit that
metabolism, what you should

863
01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:00,000
expect is impulsive murderers
suicide.

864
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:05,600
Which is exactly what happened.
In this case, that was settled

865
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:11,300
in 2001.
And the jury ruled that the

866
01:07:11,300 --> 01:07:18,900
drugs were the Cause, right?
May, you caused So they awarded

867
01:07:18,900 --> 01:07:23,500
like 6.4 million to the family
for four deaths.

868
01:07:24,700 --> 01:07:26,800
As if that could ever
compensate.

869
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:34,000
But anyway, right.
So, that's what I'm saying is

870
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:39,200
that evidence is clear.
It's absolutely overwhelming.

871
01:07:40,900 --> 01:07:46,700
There was also evidence that the
drugs are causing, what is

872
01:07:46,700 --> 01:07:52,200
called a rim sleep disorder and
that's what happened to Phil,

873
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:57,400
Hartman's wife.
She was started on the drug by

874
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:01,300
your son's psychiatrist and year
old son.

875
01:08:02,300 --> 01:08:06,500
Yes.
Yeah, I had to help him win up

876
01:08:06,500 --> 01:08:13,400
to but He suggested because she
was burned out from writing a

877
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,800
screenplay.
She was writing a screenplay

878
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:20,000
about a woman who shoots her
husband in his sleep.

879
01:08:21,100 --> 01:08:27,700
Interestingly enough.
And the doctor prescribed Zoloft

880
01:08:27,700 --> 01:08:32,000
to her.
And she called him back about

881
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:36,899
three weeks later and said, hey,
I can't take this drug, I can't

882
01:08:36,899 --> 01:08:40,899
handle it.
And so he said, well let's cut

883
01:08:40,899 --> 01:08:43,800
your dumped in half.
You don't ever do that.

884
01:08:45,500 --> 01:08:49,399
That will throw you into
horrible withdrawal and this REM

885
01:08:49,399 --> 01:08:54,399
sleep disorder.
Has long been known as a drug

886
01:08:54,399 --> 01:09:01,200
withdrawal State and it is a
disorder where you act out your

887
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:11,700
nightmare.
Geez, three weeks later. she got

888
01:09:11,700 --> 01:09:18,500
up, and Pulled the gun out of
the nightstand, bill?

889
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:24,899
That apparently woke her up
somewhat, the gun going off.

890
01:09:26,500 --> 01:09:31,899
And so she got in her car and
drove over to a friend's house.

891
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,100
Friend was a lot of help.
He thought maybe cocaine and

892
01:09:36,100 --> 01:09:41,500
help bring her out of it.
Is there's the beach was really

893
01:09:41,500 --> 01:09:47,000
slurred and right threw up like
three times while she was there.

894
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:54,300
And she kept saying, I can't
tell, I I think I shot bill but

895
01:09:55,100 --> 01:10:00,200
I can't tell if it's a
nightmare, if it's real and she

896
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,400
wanted the friend to come with
her.

897
01:10:03,500 --> 01:10:09,100
To tell her what was real.
And of course, he came back with

898
01:10:09,100 --> 01:10:13,900
her and told her it was real.
He walked out into the other

899
01:10:13,900 --> 01:10:17,300
room, cuz of course, he was
going to call the police.

900
01:10:18,100 --> 01:10:22,500
And she picked up the phone in
the bedroom and called her

901
01:10:22,500 --> 01:10:27,300
sister.
And was just totally hysterical.

902
01:10:27,300 --> 01:10:30,800
She said, oh my gosh, Kathy, I'm
shot Bill.

903
01:10:31,300 --> 01:10:35,000
Why would I do that?
There's no reason for it.

904
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:40,000
And she was begging her to take
care of the children.

905
01:10:40,900 --> 01:10:45,600
She was the one in their
paperwork in there.

906
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:49,600
Will that was supposed to take
the children if anything ever

907
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:55,600
happened to them, right?
Anyway, she hung up and telling

908
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,900
her to tell the children that
mommy didn't know what happened

909
01:10:59,700 --> 01:11:04,000
and that she loved him.
And she hung up and laid down

910
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,800
next to him.
And chartered though, Oh my

911
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:12,400
gosh.
But that disorder that REM sleep

912
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:16,800
disorder.
There were doctors that were the

913
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:23,600
topics forts in that that had
been doing some research on it

914
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,600
and they found that right about
that time.

915
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:34,300
They put out a study saying that
86% of those they were

916
01:11:34,300 --> 01:11:37,400
diagnosing with that disorder
work.

917
01:11:37,900 --> 01:11:41,500
On an antidepressant or had been
taking one.

918
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,200
Holy cow.
Yeah.

919
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:50,200
And it was, that was something
that they had hardly ever seen

920
01:11:51,100 --> 01:11:55,900
before 89 90.
Right?

921
01:11:55,900 --> 01:12:03,100
At the time Prozac came out
Right, holy cow.

922
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:10,100
So anyway, I was actually on the
phone with the chief of police

923
01:12:10,100 --> 01:12:15,700
in Salt Lake City, talking to
him about my friend who'd been

924
01:12:15,700 --> 01:12:19,700
killed at the Salt Lake family,
history, Library shooting.

925
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:25,200
Who I had warned over and over
and over again, that he was

926
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:28,400
working in the most dangerous
place on Earth.

927
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:35,200
Which everybody would probably
say, what Salt Lake family,

928
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:40,600
history, Library Ryan.
That is because so many people

929
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:44,800
on these drugs, start doing
Jenny ology cuz I can't remember

930
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:50,400
who they are.
So they'll start doing genealogy

931
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:55,600
to get more of an idea of their
family.

932
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:02,000
And their own family history.
So they feel that connection

933
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:06,200
again, that's gone with them cuz
I can't remember who they are.

934
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,500
And so I explained all that to
him.

935
01:13:11,500 --> 01:13:14,900
He was the he was a security
guard.

936
01:13:14,900 --> 01:13:16,600
That was killed in that
shooting.

937
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:21,300
Wow.
And they'll go anyway, I was

938
01:13:21,300 --> 01:13:26,300
talking to the chief of police
and that was right.

939
01:13:26,300 --> 01:13:32,500
When Columbine what's going on?
and he said, do you think what's

940
01:13:32,500 --> 01:13:40,800
going on in Colorado right now
is possibly these drugs And I

941
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:46,000
said well it could be but I
don't generally have two people.

942
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:53,000
Go off the deep end at the same
time on the drug but I said a

943
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:56,100
commit suicide, you can count on
it.

944
01:13:56,700 --> 01:14:00,400
Okay, let me stop you there
because I'm they weren't gonna

945
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:07,100
let me, let me kind of catch up
here a little bit and recap.

946
01:14:07,100 --> 01:14:12,300
So, you, you see all this stuff
personally and this is what gets

947
01:14:12,300 --> 01:14:16,200
you involved in it, right?
In all the misuse and

948
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:22,100
overprescribing of these
psychotropic drugs, it touches,

949
01:14:22,500 --> 01:14:26,400
you personally, you get involved
with some other folks, you get a

950
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:32,200
group going, you can buy your
out there, your vocal, you're on

951
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:36,700
Geraldo, you're on Fox News,
you're on Dateline.

952
01:14:36,700 --> 01:14:40,700
I mean, you're an Witness you
encounter some push?

953
01:14:40,700 --> 01:14:45,000
Push push back.
So right after Coast-to-Coast I

954
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:51,000
was their top.
Yes holy band I really got

955
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:54,800
pushed back that's when it
started big time.

956
01:14:56,500 --> 01:14:58,600
Was there something else that we
didn't discuss?

957
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:03,200
That escalated, even even more
than them flooding your hometown

958
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:07,500
with those drugs?
Yeah, what happened?

959
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:12,900
Well, I was called in to be the
expert in the Columbine

960
01:15:12,900 --> 01:15:15,300
shooting.
Okay.

961
01:15:15,300 --> 01:15:21,200
Yeah let's go home are once
hailer okay well hold off one

962
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:27,100
second because I'm going to sum
up here a little bit as far as

963
01:15:27,100 --> 01:15:32,700
what I saw, right and who wasn't
involved in the kind of work

964
01:15:32,700 --> 01:15:36,900
that you were doing exposing the
psychotropic drugs, drugs.

965
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:41,600
Now, I graduated in 1996, I grew
up.

966
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,400
Yeah most of my teenage years.
Years and a small town in

967
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:47,600
Western Idaho.
And I'm going to tell you

968
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:52,900
exactly what life was for me
during those years, right?

969
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:57,500
You had everybody that had a
truck in that town.

970
01:15:58,300 --> 01:16:01,500
That was a stick.
I mean, we all have done in the

971
01:16:01,500 --> 01:16:07,100
back.
In the back of the window we

972
01:16:07,100 --> 01:16:10,900
would go, you know, I can, I
could tell you, we would, we

973
01:16:10,900 --> 01:16:13,400
would go to football practice
and after football practice,

974
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:17,400
it's like, Let's load up and
let's go blast ducks at okuda is

975
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,200
farm right?
And oh, could it was a nice old

976
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:23,300
man and we go blast ducks.
And you know what?

977
01:16:23,300 --> 01:16:27,100
There was absolutely zero school
shootings that I can remember.

978
01:16:27,100 --> 01:16:31,800
I mean you may have had an
outlier but nothing major and

979
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,600
then Columbine happens.
Yep.

980
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:36,800
And from there, it's an
escalation.

981
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:42,500
So now I it's important because
and you can correct me if I'm

982
01:16:42,500 --> 01:16:47,700
wrong.
About that time is when you know

983
01:16:47,700 --> 01:16:52,000
probably four or five previous
296 I believe is when column

984
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,000
know it was 99 that Columbine
happened.

985
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,500
If I remember correctly 99 or
2000, right 99.

986
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:03,900
So find happens in 99 but if an
idolater, they worked several

987
01:17:03,900 --> 01:17:06,500
school students before them.
Right?

988
01:17:06,500 --> 01:17:10,200
But five or six years previous,
they weren't real when right.

989
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:15,700
But I think what you saw and
then and I'm only using My my

990
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:19,400
anecdotal evidence of not,
knowing really anybody in school

991
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:22,700
who was on, you know,
psychotropics.

992
01:17:25,100 --> 01:17:27,500
But about that time, it's about
the time.

993
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:31,300
You know that 99 34 years
previous is when they start

994
01:17:31,300 --> 01:17:32,900
really handing them out to
Children.

995
01:17:32,900 --> 01:17:35,800
Is that correct?
That's right.

996
01:17:36,300 --> 01:17:41,800
Okay, so and then from 90 on it
seems to be one of those things

997
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:45,700
that happens way more frequently
and if there's no signs of

998
01:17:45,700 --> 01:17:48,700
slowing down.
So now I want you to talk about

999
01:17:48,700 --> 01:17:54,700
Columbine because I think this
is a benchmark moment in, in, in

1000
01:17:54,900 --> 01:17:58,400
recognizing that there might be
a correlation between kids who

1001
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:04,400
are on the psychotropic drugs
and school shootings.

1002
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:07,400
So, Tell me about your
experience with Columbine and

1003
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:10,500
then tell me what what the
takeaway is for.

1004
01:18:10,500 --> 01:18:17,300
You can you see a connection
between a causal connection

1005
01:18:17,300 --> 01:18:21,500
between kids who are
psychotropic, drugs school

1006
01:18:21,500 --> 01:18:26,800
shootings and to your best
knowledge documented knowledge.

1007
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:30,200
How many of the perpetrators are
those school shootings are on

1008
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:36,600
psychotropic drugs.
Well, I track them until about

1009
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:43,600
2011 when the woman who was
helping me with a few things

1010
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:48,700
passed away and I wasn't able to
track them anymore.

1011
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:53,500
Well, I Kind of track them but
not like I was before.

1012
01:18:54,200 --> 01:19:00,100
Okay, so I'm going to find that.
Go ahead and find that at SSRI

1013
01:19:00,100 --> 01:19:06,000
stories dotnet.
And there's a long list of who

1014
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:09,200
was on what when they did the
school shooting.

1015
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:14,500
Okay, so tell me about your
experience in with Columbine,

1016
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,600
okay?
I was calling on that case.

1017
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:23,300
And as soon as Columbine
happened.

1018
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:27,000
I started appearing on Coast to
Coast.

1019
01:19:28,700 --> 01:19:32,400
And I was doing three and four
our interviews with them.

1020
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:39,200
They had like 20 million
listeners at that point. and the

1021
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:45,500
host that I was doing most of
the shows with Had told me.

1022
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:53,900
Okay, it happened in 99.
This was 2001. right after

1023
01:19:54,100 --> 01:19:59,000
Andrea Yates grounder, five,
kids, whose case, I also work,

1024
01:20:01,900 --> 01:20:05,800
Ben.
I don't know how many people

1025
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,700
remember, Christopher Pittman's
taste.

1026
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:15,800
Christopher was in South
Carolina and he shot and killed

1027
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:22,400
his grandparents at age, 12 and
burn the house down.

1028
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:27,500
Anyway, that case it just
happened.

1029
01:20:27,500 --> 01:20:33,700
I had done an interview on that.
The host told me that I was

1030
01:20:35,100 --> 01:20:39,300
Actually getting more listeners
than any guess that they had.

1031
01:20:41,500 --> 01:20:45,700
You know, I don't know why you
told me that, but he just did.

1032
01:20:46,500 --> 01:20:49,800
And I just said, well, that's
because so many people are being

1033
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:53,000
affected by these drugs.
It doesn't really have anything

1034
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:58,200
to do with me.
It's just, you gotta understand

1035
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:01,000
how many people are in trouble
on this stuff.

1036
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:06,300
Right?
And it was probably a month

1037
01:21:06,300 --> 01:21:13,700
later, maybe two months later.
That the station changed hands.

1038
01:21:15,300 --> 01:21:23,400
And I was never on again.
And right about that time.

1039
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:29,100
Same time.
Amazon put up on their site that

1040
01:21:29,100 --> 01:21:38,100
my book was out of print.
I called them and call them and

1041
01:21:38,100 --> 01:21:40,800
call them, and threaten them
with attorneys.

1042
01:21:41,900 --> 01:21:46,500
I said you guys it's not out of
print.

1043
01:21:46,700 --> 01:21:50,700
There are copies standing are
ready to be shipped to you

1044
01:21:50,700 --> 01:21:54,700
whenever you want them because
they had been carrying my book

1045
01:21:55,900 --> 01:21:59,300
and they refused to take it
down.

1046
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,600
And I said, you know, you're
killing people.

1047
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:10,500
They're desperate wanting
answers about these drugs and if

1048
01:22:10,500 --> 01:22:14,900
they don't find the answers to
know what to do, they're not

1049
01:22:14,900 --> 01:22:19,400
going to make it.
I said you've got this is a

1050
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:21,100
terrible thing that you're
doing.

1051
01:22:21,100 --> 01:22:25,200
You've got to put it out there.
It's the only place people can

1052
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:32,000
go to know what to do.
They refused they left it that

1053
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,300
way for two years.
Holy cow.

1054
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:39,900
Yeah, let's be pretty much the
end of everything.

1055
01:22:40,300 --> 01:22:41,900
Scott you what?
Let me ask you this.

1056
01:22:41,900 --> 01:22:46,800
An were were the two
perpetrators of the Columbine

1057
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:50,300
school shooting where they on
any cyclic medication?

1058
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:57,500
Oh yeah, both of them.
I firmly believe both of them

1059
01:22:57,500 --> 01:22:59,800
were.
I think we have enough evidence

1060
01:23:00,900 --> 01:23:09,300
but this is what happened.
I had called The Coroner told

1061
01:23:09,300 --> 01:23:15,000
her that I wanted copies of the
toxicology on both boys.

1062
01:23:17,500 --> 01:23:22,000
And Eric's came through.
He was on Luvox.

1063
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:32,700
And I waited and waited and
waited, and never got a thing on

1064
01:23:32,700 --> 01:23:36,100
Dylan.
So, I finally call this corner

1065
01:23:36,500 --> 01:23:40,600
and I've worked with Corners all
across the country, you know, by

1066
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:48,800
then for years, I called and I
said look, Eric's toxicology

1067
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,100
came through but I never got
anything on doing what happened.

1068
01:23:54,000 --> 01:24:02,600
And there was this dead silence.
And then she said well Dylan was

1069
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:08,500
pretty much a weird kid.
Anyway what Josh this is the

1070
01:24:08,500 --> 01:24:14,200
corner.
How the hell you know I'm sorry.

1071
01:24:16,500 --> 01:24:20,200
Let me break in here real quick
so it was a weird kid.

1072
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:24,300
Anyway you're a corn or right?
I'm guessing you're not paying

1073
01:24:24,300 --> 01:24:27,500
now to the high school and I'm
guessing you're also not

1074
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:32,600
Collecting, you know, anecdotal
evidence, from this kids school

1075
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,500
mates, or his parents, or you're
not an investigator.

1076
01:24:35,500 --> 01:24:38,700
In that sense, how the hell
would you know that?

1077
01:24:38,700 --> 01:24:44,000
He a quote weird kid.
So that was her response to you.

1078
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,800
When you were like, hey I need
the toxicology because you were

1079
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:48,600
called in on that case.
Correct?

1080
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:52,500
An yeah.
So you're called in and who

1081
01:24:52,500 --> 01:24:57,100
called you in on, okay?
You still working that case.

1082
01:24:57,500 --> 01:25:00,900
Who called you in on that kick.
I'm trying to put this out and I

1083
01:25:00,900 --> 01:25:03,500
know it seems roundabout, but
I'm trying to I'm trying to give

1084
01:25:03,500 --> 01:25:06,800
the full picture here who called
you in on that case.

1085
01:25:07,500 --> 01:25:13,900
Mark kaler and his mother Mark
was shot six to thirteen times

1086
01:25:15,100 --> 01:25:20,300
and they was known as the
Columbine Wonder Boy because he

1087
01:25:20,300 --> 01:25:28,600
survived that So it's this boy's
parents that reaches out to you

1088
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:31,700
and said they somehow stumble
upon say, can you help?

1089
01:25:31,700 --> 01:25:35,700
Can you come take a look?
And so you're called in by a

1090
01:25:35,900 --> 01:25:40,100
victim's family and you're just
trying to get answers and they

1091
01:25:40,100 --> 01:25:44,300
give you the the report for Eric
and he is shows.

1092
01:25:44,300 --> 01:25:48,000
He's on psychotropics for sure
beyond a shadow of a doubt.

1093
01:25:48,100 --> 01:25:52,700
And then when you ask for
documentation on Dylan's

1094
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:57,200
toxicology her response, Is he
was a weird kid.

1095
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:04,400
Anyway now look, I grew up in a
very rural area and I'm just

1096
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:07,700
going to tell you that's more BS
than I've ever shoveled for any

1097
01:26:07,700 --> 01:26:11,500
farmer in my life.
I will agree.

1098
01:26:12,100 --> 01:26:16,200
And and did you ever like I said
I've worked with so many

1099
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,300
corners.
I've never heard of mine like

1100
01:26:18,300 --> 01:26:21,400
that ever.
Did you ever get a toxicology

1101
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:24,100
report for Eric or gal?
Excuse me.

1102
01:26:24,700 --> 01:26:29,500
So they never Sent it to, you
know, his records were sealed.

1103
01:26:29,500 --> 01:26:32,000
It's parents have that
everything sealed.

1104
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:37,500
Which I also have never heard
out in a murder case, especially

1105
01:26:37,500 --> 01:26:40,900
a mass murder gang.
Yeah.

1106
01:26:41,100 --> 01:26:44,500
I mean that one made world news
that one wasn't just us news.

1107
01:26:44,500 --> 01:26:51,000
That's world news and they had
the toxicology sealed on it by

1108
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:55,600
whose order who ordered that
that be sealed the parent.

1109
01:26:57,100 --> 01:27:00,100
Now, I'm going to back up here
and work these things.

1110
01:27:00,100 --> 01:27:03,400
A lot more than I have.
How does the parent have

1111
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:06,400
jurisdiction when it's the
child?

1112
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:10,000
That's the perpetrator.
Shouldn't that be be something

1113
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:13,800
that's admissible into court
when because they're still sort

1114
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:17,500
of a trial that happens, isn't
there a fact-finding trial or of

1115
01:27:17,500 --> 01:27:19,900
some sort, right?
Right.

1116
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:23,600
And it should have been public
knowledge.

1117
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,600
So the judge went along with it.
The judge was like yeah we're

1118
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:31,300
going to we're going to honor
parents request to have it seal

1119
01:27:31,700 --> 01:27:34,500
and I get it right.
I'm not trying to find fault

1120
01:27:34,500 --> 01:27:38,200
with with the boy's parents.
I mean they they suffered a loss

1121
01:27:38,300 --> 01:27:45,900
to but could hell at some point.
If we want the solids we got to

1122
01:27:45,907 --> 01:27:50,000
get down to two.
Looking at me, all the causes

1123
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:54,300
that happened and and and look,
I'm I'm not ready to say because

1124
01:27:54,300 --> 01:27:57,100
I Don't have all the evidence
that that was the sole cause,

1125
01:27:57,100 --> 01:27:58,600
right.
I think that there's many things

1126
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:02,300
that probably contributed to
their, but that's definitely

1127
01:28:02,300 --> 01:28:05,400
something, especially if it's
affecting, you know, your

1128
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:09,600
outlook, you know, your sense of
real out.

1129
01:28:10,100 --> 01:28:13,200
I can only imagine what a
volatile cocktail.

1130
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:17,300
And look, I'm gonna, I'm gonna
look really silly to a lot of

1131
01:28:17,308 --> 01:28:20,000
people here.
But women, when you're pumping,

1132
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:24,300
yourself, full of psychotropics,
you're playing first.

1133
01:28:24,500 --> 01:28:27,200
Stern.
First shooter video games that

1134
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,800
are desensitizing you to the
thought of killing, right?

1135
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:34,700
And we know at some point in
that, shooting one said to the

1136
01:28:34,700 --> 01:28:40,600
other, this is just like, doom,
doom, being a first person game

1137
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:45,300
where you shot the place up and
you're just a bathing in

1138
01:28:45,300 --> 01:28:50,600
violence and psychotropics.
That's definitely, at least a

1139
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:55,000
contributing factor now during
from reality, Eight.

1140
01:28:55,300 --> 01:28:59,600
So holy cow.
So so you said you're working

1141
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,400
that case.
Yeah.

1142
01:29:02,900 --> 01:29:09,400
What kind of things have
happened as far as horrible and

1143
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:15,300
cement on the case?
Well, the drug companies, put an

1144
01:29:15,300 --> 01:29:20,500
end to it.
And the way they did it, you

1145
01:29:20,500 --> 01:29:23,900
will understand why everyone
calls them Farm a mafia.

1146
01:29:29,500 --> 01:29:34,900
The attorney that took over the
case was pinned under John de

1147
01:29:34,900 --> 01:29:37,500
camp.
That ring a bell.

1148
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:43,500
No, John de Kamp was from
Lincoln Nebraska.

1149
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:53,600
Okay, he's the one that wrote
the book on child abuse.

1150
01:29:53,800 --> 01:30:02,200
It Boys home.
There, I can't remember the name

1151
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:08,700
of the book anyway.
He was really well known.

1152
01:30:10,700 --> 01:30:18,800
But he was facing back surgery.
And I had a talk with him.

1153
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:22,000
He was supposed to go in for
surgery.

1154
01:30:23,500 --> 01:30:28,600
Just before the case would be
presented to the court.

1155
01:30:30,700 --> 01:30:36,900
I said, John you've gotta be out
of your freaking mind if you are

1156
01:30:36,900 --> 01:30:43,700
going to go under a knife when
you're going after these drug

1157
01:30:43,700 --> 01:30:51,300
companies in court.
I said, hello.

1158
01:30:53,400 --> 01:31:00,200
Well, he went ahead anyway.
And he did not come out in its

1159
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:05,300
right mind.
He came out drugged out of his

1160
01:31:05,300 --> 01:31:09,500
mind.
The factory.

1161
01:31:09,500 --> 01:31:13,900
Of course, this really tough.
He therefore did not meet

1162
01:31:13,900 --> 01:31:17,600
discovery which was the end of
the case.

1163
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:24,000
I had three of the top attorneys
in this country ready to step in

1164
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:29,400
and help on the case.
That's how convinced they were

1165
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:32,200
in.
The meantime, one of Dylan's

1166
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:37,200
close friends came forward and
spoke with Mark.

1167
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:43,800
Taylor's mother to let her know
that she was trying to help him

1168
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:48,600
wean off Zoloft and Paxil.
Tall.

1169
01:31:51,700 --> 01:31:57,600
So I don't think that kid would
bothered to make that up, but

1170
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:00,100
you know who knows it?
Seriously.

1171
01:32:01,700 --> 01:32:06,300
Right, and good.
And I got a point out that shows

1172
01:32:06,300 --> 01:32:11,400
a tremendous amount of Integrity
on your part, that you go so far

1173
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:18,300
to say that it's hearsay, right?
In the sense that I would, I

1174
01:32:18,300 --> 01:32:22,200
would bet my bottom dollar that
that he was on those

1175
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:24,900
psychotropics.
But again, it shows a lot of

1176
01:32:24,907 --> 01:32:27,500
Integrity that you're willing to
say, I can't prove it beyond a

1177
01:32:27,500 --> 01:32:31,200
shadow of a doubt and it did the
veracity of their whether you

1178
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:32,700
want.
Evidence.

1179
01:32:32,700 --> 01:32:39,100
Because he and Eric both, when
they broke into that van the

1180
01:32:39,100 --> 01:32:46,600
year, before they were both put
in an anger management program.

1181
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:50,400
Which okay.
Always automatically means

1182
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:52,900
you're gonna go on one of those
drug.

1183
01:32:53,900 --> 01:32:55,100
That's what.
Take the other hand.

1184
01:32:55,100 --> 01:32:57,800
Tighter presence.
Right?

1185
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:01,900
I was just pointing out that he
really do.

1186
01:33:01,900 --> 01:33:03,400
Have you have your crap
together?

1187
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:05,900
The fact that you're willing to
say, I can't prove it beyond a

1188
01:33:05,900 --> 01:33:09,600
shadow of a doubt, I believe it,
but I can't prove it on a doubt.

1189
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:13,700
It just lends more Credence to
your key, or your

1190
01:33:13,700 --> 01:33:16,000
professionalism, and pursuing
this.

1191
01:33:16,500 --> 01:33:21,900
So let me let anyway, let's end
the Columbine thing there for a

1192
01:33:21,907 --> 01:33:23,900
second.
Let me ask you this.

1193
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:26,500
I wish.
Right?

1194
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:27,900
Right.
Exactly.

1195
01:33:27,900 --> 01:33:31,100
But but let's, let's let me ask
you this question.

1196
01:33:31,100 --> 01:33:34,900
So we know that from 1999 when
you cover Columbine.

1197
01:33:34,900 --> 01:33:38,100
When you're on that case, you
guys are keeping track of things

1198
01:33:38,100 --> 01:33:41,600
till 2011 until you have a
business partner that passes

1199
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:43,300
away.
You're tracking all this.

1200
01:33:44,300 --> 01:33:47,000
What would you say?
The percentages are of children

1201
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:50,600
who commit school, shootings?
How many of them are on

1202
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:55,700
prescription medication?
Psychotropics about ninety

1203
01:33:55,700 --> 01:34:02,000
percent.
Okay, so let me ask you this, if

1204
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:09,600
let's just go back in history,
let's say you have 90% of cancer

1205
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:11,700
victims that have smoked
cigarettes.

1206
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:16,600
What's a good causational
conclusion there?

1207
01:34:18,500 --> 01:34:22,900
That's cigarettes that smoking
causes lung cancer, right?

1208
01:34:23,300 --> 01:34:27,000
Hmm.
But yet we can't seem to draw a

1209
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:30,800
conclusion definitively.
Or let me rephrase.

1210
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:36,500
This experts are refusing to
draw the same conclusion when

1211
01:34:36,500 --> 01:34:40,300
you have ninety percent of the
kids, who are on psychotropic

1212
01:34:40,300 --> 01:34:44,500
medication, that have committed
school, shootings are using

1213
01:34:44,500 --> 01:34:48,900
those psychotropics and we won't
cause that causation.

1214
01:34:50,700 --> 01:34:55,500
Right.
Even when the Pharmaceuticals

1215
01:34:55,800 --> 01:35:02,800
own experts testified that what
you should see when a drug does.

1216
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:08,800
With these do is impulsive
murder or impulsive suicide or

1217
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:12,200
both.
And they tell you in the drug

1218
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:13,900
commercials, right?
That's the other thing that

1219
01:35:13,900 --> 01:35:18,500
blows my mind, is that in the
drug commercials with the dude

1220
01:35:18,500 --> 01:35:22,900
that always on and talks 10:00,
10,000 miles an hour when you

1221
01:35:22,900 --> 01:35:26,000
goes may cause Suicidal
Thoughts.

1222
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:31,600
We're still not ready to drink
has a Sheen, they're all right.

1223
01:35:32,900 --> 01:35:35,800
That's nuts.
That's craziness a out.

1224
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:39,100
How do you manage to?
Look at all this and not lose

1225
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:43,700
sight.
I don't know.

1226
01:35:44,900 --> 01:35:47,300
It's getting harder and harder
and harder.

1227
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:55,200
Here's the other thing that
blows my mind, is that Well, you

1228
01:35:55,200 --> 01:36:00,000
have done a tremendous service
to people everywhere on getting

1229
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:04,600
this out.
I have to go dig for your

1230
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:09,000
testimony.
I have to go look for your your

1231
01:36:09,300 --> 01:36:11,400
interviews.
Now granted, they're not hard to

1232
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:14,400
find, but you you got to get
specific when you want to start

1233
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:17,700
finding stuff, right?
But yet and and I'm just going

1234
01:36:17,700 --> 01:36:22,300
to call it what it is.
It takes a guy who is a Mormon

1235
01:36:22,300 --> 01:36:29,900
fundamentalist quasi rodeo clown
to get on his podcast to get Get

1236
01:36:29,900 --> 01:36:32,400
more word out.
It's maddening to me.

1237
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:38,800
I don't understand it.
So you see all this happen, you

1238
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:42,400
see all these school shootings
and in the back of your mind you

1239
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:45,700
look and be like I just know
that he's on some sort of

1240
01:36:45,700 --> 01:36:47,800
psychotropic.
Oh yeah.

1241
01:36:48,100 --> 01:36:55,000
And I start looking But there's
so many at this point I just I

1242
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:59,700
can't even begin to keep up and
I really don't know why more

1243
01:36:59,700 --> 01:37:03,900
people don't care enough that
they're trying to do something

1244
01:37:03,900 --> 01:37:06,500
to.
Because I looked when I first

1245
01:37:06,500 --> 01:37:12,600
saw this 30 years ago, I said,
oh my God somebody has got to do

1246
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:19,000
something because I don't want
my kids living in the world.

1247
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:23,400
We're going to see down the Road
and here we are.

1248
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:35,800
It's still scary as heck.
So let me imma get everybody

1249
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:38,800
knew.
I wish everyone knew what I know

1250
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:42,500
about these drugs.
Well, and it's not for lack of

1251
01:37:42,500 --> 01:37:45,800
trying on your end, right?
I mean, you've been very vocal.

1252
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:51,000
You you published your stuff,
you can go to the website and

1253
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:58,700
find all of this information.
There is on the website at drug

1254
01:37:58,700 --> 01:38:05,900
awareness dot-org.
There is what did I call it?

1255
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:10,400
A, I put out a post called
evidence.

1256
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:16,200
Evidence behind school shooting
and antidepressants or something

1257
01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:19,100
like that.
And it took out everything that

1258
01:38:19,100 --> 01:38:25,300
you would see in a court case to
prove that they are being caused

1259
01:38:25,300 --> 01:38:32,000
by the drugs, starting with the
pharmacist but prophesied.

1260
01:38:32,300 --> 01:38:37,900
Clear back in.
When was that about 1999, but he

1261
01:38:37,900 --> 01:38:43,800
called me and he said Look, this
is what we're going to see as a

1262
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:48,700
result of these drugs.
And he said we're going to have

1263
01:38:48,700 --> 01:38:53,900
Columbine and Red Lake
everywhere. there's going to be

1264
01:38:53,900 --> 01:38:57,700
school, shootings everywhere,
and then it's going to start

1265
01:38:57,700 --> 01:39:03,500
rubbing off on normal people,
the kind of manic behavior that

1266
01:39:03,500 --> 01:39:09,200
these drugs cause He was he
said, please tell me that you

1267
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:11,500
and I are not the only ones that
see this.

1268
01:39:14,300 --> 01:39:19,400
I wish I could tell him.
And you've had to walk while

1269
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:22,900
knowing it would be a lot like
watching a freight train coming

1270
01:39:22,900 --> 01:39:25,000
at a car and you just know
what's coming and there's

1271
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:27,700
nothing you can do to stop it,
right?

1272
01:39:29,100 --> 01:39:32,100
Okay.
What it feels like.

1273
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:38,900
So let me let's, let's switch
gears here.

1274
01:39:40,500 --> 01:39:44,800
Let's let the column.
But yeah, let's hear the yeah,

1275
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:47,300
we might as well.
We haven't even heard the dirt

1276
01:39:47,300 --> 01:39:49,900
yet.
Yeah, we need to hear the rest

1277
01:39:49,900 --> 01:39:51,900
of column mind.
We need to do that.

1278
01:39:51,900 --> 01:39:54,600
Let's let's do that.
Okay.

1279
01:39:55,500 --> 01:39:58,600
Mark, Taylor's attorney to
drugged out of his mind after

1280
01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:02,100
surgery.
He doesn't meet discovery.

1281
01:40:03,300 --> 01:40:07,700
So, that's the end of his case
cuz you cannot ever not meet

1282
01:40:07,700 --> 01:40:13,800
discovery.
So he needed a new attorney.

1283
01:40:15,900 --> 01:40:24,800
Well, somehow, somebody found
one that used to work supposedly

1284
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:27,800
used to work for the drug
companies.

1285
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:34,700
But he had switched sides.
And now wanted to help Mark with

1286
01:40:34,700 --> 01:40:42,000
this case. well, they suddenly
called as soon as Mark turned

1287
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:50,900
21, they called him in
unexpectedly for a settlement

1288
01:40:50,900 --> 01:40:56,900
hearing.
His mother was not allowed in.

1289
01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:02,300
She stood out in the hallway
with the reporter from The

1290
01:41:02,300 --> 01:41:06,900
Denver Post, we've been covering
the case from day one.

1291
01:41:09,100 --> 01:41:11,400
And they were out there all day
long.

1292
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:16,400
Waiting for Mark who was in that
room alone.

1293
01:41:18,100 --> 01:41:23,100
With all these attorneys trying
to come up with a settlement.

1294
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:30,200
Finally, I get a phone call.
Well, I talked to the attorney

1295
01:41:30,900 --> 01:41:34,300
that was supposed to be marks
attorney in the middle of that,

1296
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:39,100
I talked to him over the phone.
And I did have a witness on the

1297
01:41:39,100 --> 01:41:43,600
phone with me because I wanted
somebody who could back up, what

1298
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:49,800
happened?
And I said, look, I don't know

1299
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:55,400
what's going on in there.
But Mark Taylor did just turned

1300
01:41:55,400 --> 01:42:07,700
21 but legally, he is not 21.
I said he was shot. 62 13 times.

1301
01:42:08,100 --> 01:42:13,500
The damage was so great.
The doctors couldn't tell how

1302
01:42:13,500 --> 01:42:17,400
many bullets entered his body
and left.

1303
01:42:19,100 --> 01:42:24,700
So they estimated it was 6 to 13
times his own doctor.

1304
01:42:25,400 --> 01:42:30,300
That was treating him after the
shooting called his personal

1305
01:42:30,300 --> 01:42:34,800
family physician and said, I
have one of your patients here.

1306
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:37,400
He's dead, but he's talking to
me.

1307
01:42:40,200 --> 01:42:46,200
I said he laid there for at
least an hour bleeding to death.

1308
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:52,500
I said, you know how much oxygen
deprivation that is to the

1309
01:42:52,500 --> 01:42:57,300
brain.
Do you know that causes mental

1310
01:42:57,300 --> 01:43:01,400
retardation?
Which means it takes you back

1311
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:06,100
several years.
Mark's not 21 legally.

1312
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:11,900
You could force him into a
settlement but it's not going to

1313
01:43:11,900 --> 01:43:16,900
be legal.
Well, I got a phone call from

1314
01:43:16,900 --> 01:43:25,600
Mark several hours later.
And he said, he said, well I'm

1315
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:30,400
out of there and I signed
everything so I don't have to go

1316
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:36,100
to jail.
Why said Mark, who the heck told

1317
01:43:36,100 --> 01:43:39,600
you that you were going to have
to go to jail?

1318
01:43:41,500 --> 01:43:47,600
And he said his attorney.
I said Mark you don't have to

1319
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:54,000
sign anything you know if they
had him sign I had him sign that

1320
01:43:54,000 --> 01:44:00,300
he would settle with them as
long as they made a ten thousand

1321
01:44:00,300 --> 01:44:05,100
dollar donation to a charity of
his choice.

1322
01:44:06,500 --> 01:44:11,300
In his name.
That was his settlement for

1323
01:44:11,300 --> 01:44:16,800
being shot. 62 13 times.
So it's so bad.

1324
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:21,900
You look 6262 13.
That's a wide range, right?

1325
01:44:22,300 --> 01:44:26,400
So yeah, I mean let's just
discount that for a second

1326
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:31,900
because he had reigned in each
from bleeding out on the floor.

1327
01:44:32,900 --> 01:44:35,200
He's supposed to have an
attorney with him.

1328
01:44:35,200 --> 01:44:41,500
That has his best interest in
mind and he's telling him, he's

1329
01:44:41,500 --> 01:44:43,700
got to go to jail if he doesn't
sign.

1330
01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:51,500
And he walks out of there with.
Nothing one time donation.

1331
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:58,200
To a charity in Mark's name and
death, which charity picked out.

1332
01:44:59,300 --> 01:45:03,000
Which one American Cancer
Society?

1333
01:45:04,500 --> 01:45:05,000
Yes.
What?

1334
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:06,900
Marks?
Being treated for right now,

1335
01:45:07,700 --> 01:45:15,600
cancer.
Yeah, and that's why Why was set

1336
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:19,700
up?
He was set up several years

1337
01:45:19,700 --> 01:45:28,400
later.
And a false accusation was made,

1338
01:45:28,500 --> 01:45:31,900
Mark, had his own book out on
what happened to him.

1339
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:40,500
It was called I asked God
answered, a column by miracle

1340
01:45:41,500 --> 01:45:49,400
and He would always stop by
border books to see how many

1341
01:45:49,400 --> 01:45:55,100
books he was selling.
And he had stopped by Borders

1342
01:45:55,100 --> 01:46:00,500
Book.
Somebody said one thing that

1343
01:46:01,100 --> 01:46:06,300
that worried people about Mark,
is that he would Pace a lot,

1344
01:46:07,400 --> 01:46:13,100
because he was actually sitting
out in front of Columbine

1345
01:46:13,100 --> 01:46:17,800
talking to his friends about
scriptures when he got shot.

1346
01:46:18,500 --> 01:46:21,000
Who is he?
No.

1347
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:24,700
Okay, but he wanted to be a
preacher, okay?

1348
01:46:24,700 --> 01:46:27,800
This is talking to his LDS
friends, got you.

1349
01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:35,900
But anyway, it's so he was
sitting when he was shot. and

1350
01:46:36,300 --> 01:46:44,300
anybody who, D.
Thing like that is gonna not

1351
01:46:44,300 --> 01:46:47,400
want to be sitting anywhere for
a long time.

1352
01:46:48,100 --> 01:46:52,100
You're gonna want to be moving
so that you're not in front of a

1353
01:46:52,100 --> 01:46:55,900
bullet.
So mark would paste a lot back

1354
01:46:55,900 --> 01:47:01,700
and forth and I don't know if
that's what happened but they

1355
01:47:02,200 --> 01:47:06,400
they accused him of threatening
to blow the place up.

1356
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:14,700
And there's interviews with Mark
and I just before that happened,

1357
01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:22,300
when Virginia Tech happened, he
was out in Iowa, visiting me and

1358
01:47:22,300 --> 01:47:27,900
we have the news, they're coming
interview us and you watch that

1359
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:33,100
and you know, there's absolutely
no way Mark Taylor ever made.

1360
01:47:34,500 --> 01:47:39,900
That kind of threat.
I mean, he was telling everybody

1361
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:45,600
to forgive everyone, you just
have to see it.

1362
01:47:46,900 --> 01:47:52,600
It's channel 89 Iowa, but it's
on our website to on our

1363
01:47:52,600 --> 01:47:57,900
YouTube.
So, but anyway, they accused him

1364
01:47:57,900 --> 01:48:03,200
of that.
He was taken to a psych ward and

1365
01:48:03,800 --> 01:48:06,800
his mother.
And I knew the head of that

1366
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:11,900
psychiatric unit.
And she told both of us, there's

1367
01:48:11,900 --> 01:48:16,200
absolutely no reason for him
being there, but somebody

1368
01:48:16,200 --> 01:48:22,800
started him on the drugs that
Mark was testifying against and

1369
01:48:23,300 --> 01:48:27,300
had food.
They started him on the

1370
01:48:27,300 --> 01:48:30,100
antidepressants.
Holy cow.

1371
01:48:30,900 --> 01:48:36,800
Yeah, I got him out a couple
months later.

1372
01:48:38,100 --> 01:48:42,700
But his mother was afraid to
say, in Colorado, move down to

1373
01:48:42,700 --> 01:48:48,400
New Mexico and did not have the
drugs with her to wean him off.

1374
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:54,300
So he went into cold turkey
withdrawal, they were visiting

1375
01:48:54,900 --> 01:48:59,600
in Arizona.
When she thought he was having a

1376
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:07,900
seizure and ran him in.
To a local hospital.

1377
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:13,000
They immediately looked at his
records and said, oh, he's not

1378
01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:17,700
having seizure.
He's got a mental problem, and

1379
01:49:17,700 --> 01:49:21,700
they stuck him in some unit and
he's never gotten out.

1380
01:49:24,700 --> 01:49:27,000
Jeez.
They have drugged him and

1381
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:32,300
drugged him and drugged him and
drugged him because he is in a

1382
01:49:32,300 --> 01:49:36,900
guest, a rest home or whatever
they call Assisted Living.

1383
01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:42,100
That's what they call it the
mysterious anyway, they forced

1384
01:49:42,100 --> 01:49:48,300
him to take the vaccines After
the second one, he was so

1385
01:49:48,300 --> 01:49:51,200
nauseous.
He could not eat her like three

1386
01:49:51,200 --> 01:49:55,900
months.
More than maybe a biter to he

1387
01:49:55,900 --> 01:50:02,400
lost 70 pounds.
And then as soon as he got the

1388
01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:08,000
booster, the third shot within a
week and he had just been tested

1389
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:10,800
before that.
There was no sign of anything.

1390
01:50:11,200 --> 01:50:15,500
You got a clean bill of health,
but the week after he got, the

1391
01:50:15,500 --> 01:50:20,000
booster was diagnosed with
cancer, he's now going through

1392
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:27,200
chemo.
Geez. so it would have been

1393
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:33,300
better off dying at Columbine,
Let me.

1394
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:37,300
Let me wrap my mind around this
for a second.

1395
01:50:37,300 --> 01:50:42,100
So you have a kid.
What's that?

1396
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:49,700
Makes me sick, you have a kid
who's endured a horrific

1397
01:50:49,700 --> 01:50:55,100
incident Columbine, and they got
his attention at the FDA

1398
01:50:55,100 --> 01:50:59,300
hearing.
And that's when I think they

1399
01:50:59,300 --> 01:51:01,500
decided they had to get rid of
the kid.

1400
01:51:02,300 --> 01:51:07,700
He has he testifies that the FDA
hearing, he suffered some sort

1401
01:51:07,700 --> 01:51:12,300
of brain damage because of loss,
he has an attorney that sells

1402
01:51:12,300 --> 01:51:16,600
them down the road to the drug
companies attorneys Right?

1403
01:51:17,200 --> 01:51:22,800
I would really like to know if
his attorney happened to come

1404
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:25,200
into a lot of money.
I'd imagine his bank account,

1405
01:51:25,200 --> 01:51:27,400
got pumped up a little bit.
I'm just guessing.

1406
01:51:28,900 --> 01:51:37,000
Probably pretty good, guess.
Then he gets accused.

1407
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:41,300
Of saying that he blow some blow
a place up.

1408
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:47,200
He then gets put into a psych.
Ward is drugged up.

1409
01:51:48,700 --> 01:51:53,400
And then somehow comes down with
cancer and is now fighting for

1410
01:51:53,400 --> 01:51:59,900
his life, right?
I haven't heard from him for a

1411
01:51:59,900 --> 01:52:02,900
couple of weeks and now so long,
I'm on pins and needles.

1412
01:52:04,300 --> 01:52:07,800
Let me ask you, this was their
information Mark had that may

1413
01:52:07,800 --> 01:52:11,700
have pointed back to the drug
companies.

1414
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:20,000
I know for a fact that maybe
because you could never Dylan's

1415
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:23,000
toxicology report, correct?
Right.

1416
01:52:25,500 --> 01:52:28,800
Is there any connection between
him and Dylan before the

1417
01:52:29,400 --> 01:52:32,200
shooting?
No, he was shot by Eric.

1418
01:52:32,700 --> 01:52:37,900
He was shot by Eric.
Yeah, so his case with solid

1419
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:45,400
Okay, and remember I had three
of the top law firms in the

1420
01:52:45,400 --> 01:52:48,200
country ready to join in on its
case.

1421
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:52,200
He had a good taste.
That's how good it was.

1422
01:52:54,600 --> 01:52:57,400
And they just were not going to
allow.

1423
01:52:58,700 --> 01:53:03,600
The say they the drug companies
were not going to allow a

1424
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:08,000
significant settlement to happen
because that would that would

1425
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:09,100
basically say.
Yeah.

1426
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:11,700
No, something's wrong.
And we're at fault.

1427
01:53:12,200 --> 01:53:16,500
That's right.
Jeez.

1428
01:53:17,400 --> 01:53:21,000
That is so dirty and that's how
they work.

1429
01:53:25,500 --> 01:53:32,400
So let me ask you this.
What do you think the end goal

1430
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:38,700
is?
with flooding Society, with all

1431
01:53:38,700 --> 01:53:43,500
these psychotropic drugs, Well,
I think we've just seen it.

1432
01:53:45,300 --> 01:53:47,200
Just cash.
You think that's that's the

1433
01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:56,200
bottom not well yeah cash but
the whole vaccine thing I don't

1434
01:53:56,200 --> 01:54:00,000
think you would have had near as
many people bow down and do it

1435
01:54:01,000 --> 01:54:03,000
well and that's kind of where
I'm going here.

1436
01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:08,800
So because we know that these
look just from my trip, my son,

1437
01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:12,800
these drugs are designed and you
could tell me if I'm wrong to

1438
01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:22,800
make you a lot more susceptible.
To a either docile or be open to

1439
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:24,500
suggestion.
Correct.

1440
01:54:25,500 --> 01:54:28,900
Yep.
That was on their list of what

1441
01:54:28,900 --> 01:54:32,800
they wanted.
So they wanted a docile society.

1442
01:54:33,100 --> 01:54:39,500
That was open to suggestion.
And who are so sleep.

1443
01:54:39,600 --> 01:54:43,700
They can't figure out what's
right now.

1444
01:54:43,800 --> 01:54:46,000
They lose their connection to
God.

1445
01:54:46,500 --> 01:54:51,700
Yep.
Now, let me all report that now,

1446
01:54:51,700 --> 01:54:54,400
let's, let's throw in everything
else, right?

1447
01:54:54,900 --> 01:54:56,700
Because here's what I'm
noticing.

1448
01:54:57,900 --> 01:55:01,500
More so than than than I care to
admit.

1449
01:55:01,500 --> 01:55:07,600
But here's what I'm noticing is
that you have kids today who are

1450
01:55:08,200 --> 01:55:12,900
raised on devices, right?
They look at screens constantly

1451
01:55:13,400 --> 01:55:20,300
and they continually see, just a
people that are only happy,

1452
01:55:20,900 --> 01:55:22,800
right?
That are only living there,

1453
01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:27,000
quote, best life that are
reaching every go.

1454
01:55:27,200 --> 01:55:29,700
All that.
They want a very easily and

1455
01:55:29,700 --> 01:55:33,000
they're getting a misconception
of what life really is.

1456
01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:39,600
So they start to feel depressed
and there's a whole kids that

1457
01:55:39,600 --> 01:55:45,300
can't be filled and rather than
their they're saying, you know,

1458
01:55:45,300 --> 01:55:48,300
you got too much to worry about,
right?

1459
01:55:48,300 --> 01:55:51,200
Got this virus.
Oh my God.

1460
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:56,700
Yeah it and so we have a
generation now that I never

1461
01:55:56,700 --> 01:56:01,000
thought I'd hear the clinical
anxiety that are diagnosed with

1462
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:06,900
clinical anxiety disorder.
And the solution is, let's put

1463
01:56:06,900 --> 01:56:10,300
him on more hugs more
psychotropics that will make

1464
01:56:10,300 --> 01:56:14,400
them more docile, which puts
them into a state where they

1465
01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:19,000
want to do nothing, but look at
devices because let's face it.

1466
01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:22,500
I mean, you look at some of
these poor kids who are drugged

1467
01:56:22,500 --> 01:56:26,800
out of their mind, they don't do
anything else, right?

1468
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:29,900
And be they just have no desire
for that.

1469
01:56:29,900 --> 01:56:37,000
So they're socially awkward and
We've replaced god with, with

1470
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:42,400
screened ends and with
influencers and it, you know,

1471
01:56:42,700 --> 01:56:46,900
look, I'm not a physician, I
don't pretend to know

1472
01:56:46,900 --> 01:56:50,500
everything.
I don't pretend to know a lot of

1473
01:56:50,500 --> 01:56:56,400
things really well, but what I
can, what I can say is that,

1474
01:56:58,300 --> 01:57:03,800
Just like alcohol or other
stimulants or depressants, make

1475
01:57:03,800 --> 01:57:06,300
it hard to hear the spirit of
the Lord.

1476
01:57:07,600 --> 01:57:12,700
Yep.
I imagine that any of those

1477
01:57:12,700 --> 01:57:15,700
psychotropics have the same
effect.

1478
01:57:17,000 --> 01:57:21,700
And so there's no real and yep,
there's a spiritual component

1479
01:57:21,700 --> 01:57:29,800
here that is Insidious.
That is what gets its damn

1480
01:57:29,800 --> 01:57:31,900
demonic.
I don't know how else to put it,

1481
01:57:31,900 --> 01:57:34,000
right?
So you have a whole generation

1482
01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:39,000
of kids with a god-shaped hole
in the center of them that can't

1483
01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:42,200
get filled with anything else,
no matter how hard they try.

1484
01:57:43,400 --> 01:57:51,300
And it's no wonder that these
kids are are are acting out the

1485
01:57:51,300 --> 01:57:53,400
way they're acting out with with
shooting.

1486
01:57:53,400 --> 01:57:57,700
They just want to feel something
am I off base in any of that.

1487
01:57:59,200 --> 01:58:06,200
Not in the least, except that
these drugs come from the very

1488
01:58:06,200 --> 01:58:12,600
pit of Hell.
Only party left out.

1489
01:58:15,200 --> 01:58:22,300
So what's the answer then?
Well, let's not go there yet,

1490
01:58:22,600 --> 01:58:25,100
let's not go there yet.
Let's let's move on.

1491
01:58:27,800 --> 01:58:34,100
Move on from from one, you know
effect of these psychotropics

1492
01:58:34,100 --> 01:58:37,500
which is a loss of sensation.
Kids just want to feel some.

1493
01:58:38,100 --> 01:58:42,500
I find what one of the Columbine
shooters say to be very

1494
01:58:42,500 --> 01:58:46,000
revealing, dude, this is just
like, Doom.

1495
01:58:46,100 --> 01:58:51,000
He's getting off on it, right?
He gets a sensation from killing

1496
01:58:51,000 --> 01:58:54,300
another individual.
Oh, yeah.

1497
01:58:55,300 --> 01:58:59,800
Yeah, you learn if you go into
our website and start looking

1498
01:58:59,800 --> 01:59:10,600
at, there's a movie that I did
2000 tube, I think called

1499
01:59:10,600 --> 01:59:15,000
drugging of our children.
It's on the front page of the

1500
01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:20,600
website.
And you can hear the kids talk

1501
01:59:20,600 --> 01:59:25,000
about it.
What they go through.

1502
01:59:26,900 --> 01:59:30,100
Did they just empty right?
That they just, they can't feel

1503
01:59:30,100 --> 01:59:34,100
anything.
Yeah, but when they get off,

1504
01:59:34,100 --> 01:59:38,100
they say, you know, they're
they've got their life back.

1505
01:59:39,800 --> 01:59:45,200
It's just sad and they make
false accusations of abuse as

1506
01:59:45,200 --> 01:59:48,300
well.
That's the one thing I left out.

1507
01:59:48,300 --> 01:59:54,700
I spoke about that in Wenatchee
Washington, right?

1508
01:59:54,700 --> 02:00:02,000
As my book was coming out in 94,
and that's where the Pied Piper

1509
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:07,900
of Prozac live.
If you happen to see that Oprah

1510
02:00:07,900 --> 02:00:13,100
show of where they were pushing
the drugs for kids, there was a

1511
02:00:13,100 --> 02:00:18,200
psychiatrist.
He wasn't a because he was a

1512
02:00:19,800 --> 02:00:26,200
psychobabble pusher a
psychologist anyway.

1513
02:00:26,200 --> 02:00:32,300
Thank you.
He actually came because he he

1514
02:00:32,300 --> 02:00:36,400
practiced there and Wenatchee
even the BBC came out to cover

1515
02:00:36,400 --> 02:00:40,200
it.
And I lectured.

1516
02:00:40,200 --> 02:00:47,400
And I said, look, if you do not
get your children off these

1517
02:00:47,400 --> 02:00:54,000
drugs, You are going to have
false accusations of abuse all

1518
02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:58,700
over this town.
Six months later.

1519
02:01:00,200 --> 02:01:05,900
One little girl who had been on
Prozac and just switched over to

1520
02:01:05,900 --> 02:01:10,400
Paxil.
Became the foster child of the

1521
02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:16,300
police chief.
And with the switch of the

1522
02:01:16,300 --> 02:01:20,100
drugs, that's one of the most
dangerous times to be on them

1523
02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:24,100
because you start going into
withdrawal and yet you're

1524
02:01:24,100 --> 02:01:26,500
adjusting to a new one on top of
that.

1525
02:01:28,200 --> 02:01:29,900
Brain doesn't take that very
well.

1526
02:01:31,200 --> 02:01:36,500
So she started going around town
with the police chief is they

1527
02:01:36,500 --> 02:01:42,000
drive past home to say we had an
orgy there and then Orgy at that

1528
02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:47,000
house and we had an orgy at this
house. 11 years old.

1529
02:01:47,800 --> 02:01:55,300
Geez, he accused so many people.
That they had.

1530
02:01:56,200 --> 02:01:59,100
In fact, 48 hours.
Did a special on it?

1531
02:02:00,400 --> 02:02:05,400
They had 43 people finally that
were thrown in prison.

1532
02:02:07,900 --> 02:02:11,700
The state of Washington, the
ended up paying a hundred

1533
02:02:11,700 --> 02:02:22,100
million dollars. for wrongful
imprisonment and that case Did I

1534
02:02:22,108 --> 02:02:26,300
say 100,000?
No, you said 100 wins. 100

1535
02:02:26,300 --> 02:02:29,500
million.
You said 100 million.

1536
02:02:29,500 --> 02:02:33,500
I'm just okay, good.
No, I'm just trying to wrap my

1537
02:02:33,500 --> 02:02:37,100
head around, excuse me, wrap my
head around all of this because

1538
02:02:37,800 --> 02:02:41,300
it's so damn daring prison for
two years.

1539
02:02:44,400 --> 02:02:47,700
Primary president and her
husband spent two years in

1540
02:02:47,700 --> 02:02:54,300
prison cheese.
They happen to be one of the

1541
02:02:54,300 --> 02:02:59,600
homes.
She happen to point to and their

1542
02:02:59,600 --> 02:03:03,100
kids were the ones that went on
48 Hours.

1543
02:03:03,200 --> 02:03:11,700
The oldest one escaped from the
CPS program and was able to get

1544
02:03:11,700 --> 02:03:16,400
to 48 hours to tell everybody
the truth.

1545
02:03:18,300 --> 02:03:20,800
No it.
And I just, I just got done

1546
02:03:20,800 --> 02:03:26,500
reading an article that said
it's some unreal amount like 90%

1547
02:03:26,600 --> 02:03:29,900
of all kids, in foster care.
On some form of sight

1548
02:03:29,900 --> 02:03:33,400
psychotropic.
Oh yeah medication.

1549
02:03:33,800 --> 02:03:37,900
Oh yeah, my kids, my two I
mentioned were adopted.

1550
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:43,000
They always wanted a younger
brother sister and it was about

1551
02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:50,200
1995 after my book was finished.
I started calling around because

1552
02:03:50,200 --> 02:03:54,400
I looked at all these different
kids that were available for

1553
02:03:54,400 --> 02:03:58,700
adoption.
And I finally called the place

1554
02:03:58,700 --> 02:04:05,500
it was over in Denver, I think
the adoption group and I said,

1555
02:04:05,600 --> 02:04:09,400
you know, I explained that the
kids really would like a younger

1556
02:04:09,400 --> 02:04:14,500
brother or sister.
And I said, but do you have any

1557
02:04:14,500 --> 02:04:18,200
that are not on drugs?
Because that's what I do.

1558
02:04:18,200 --> 02:04:23,000
And I really wouldn't want to
start out a relationship with a

1559
02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:26,500
child by taking them through
drug withdrawal.

1560
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:34,300
And she lowered her voice to a
whisper and said, you could tell

1561
02:04:34,300 --> 02:04:38,300
she cuffed her hand over the
phone and said, isn't it

1562
02:04:38,300 --> 02:04:41,500
terrible?
We've got a doctor here who's

1563
02:04:41,500 --> 02:04:45,200
dragon, all the little kids and
there's nothing we can do about

1564
02:04:45,200 --> 02:04:49,500
it.
And that's what they do.

1565
02:04:49,500 --> 02:04:52,100
The minute, they get them.
They're drugging them because

1566
02:04:52,100 --> 02:04:55,300
most of them are on the drugs,
right?

1567
02:04:56,500 --> 02:05:03,500
And they're crazy as loons.
I mean, I had one guy that I

1568
02:05:03,500 --> 02:05:07,700
helped him on a different case
because of the drugs, he was in

1569
02:05:07,700 --> 02:05:11,700
trouble.
And before we went into court,

1570
02:05:11,700 --> 02:05:14,500
he said look.
Can you help me with something?

1571
02:05:14,500 --> 02:05:20,200
Because I used to be whatever
they call them.

1572
02:05:20,300 --> 02:05:25,100
CPS social worker, who learned
something.

1573
02:05:25,900 --> 02:05:28,800
Anyway, said this was up in
Michigan.

1574
02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:36,800
I think I was Somewhere in the
Northeast and he said, I was so

1575
02:05:36,800 --> 02:05:43,300
out of it on Prozac, but I was
convinced at this family were

1576
02:05:43,300 --> 02:05:48,900
Satan worship boots and he said
I was so out of it.

1577
02:05:48,900 --> 02:05:53,500
I was going to the meetings,
letting them put blood and semen

1578
02:05:53,500 --> 02:05:59,400
on me just so I could gather
information on this family.

1579
02:06:00,800 --> 02:06:03,800
And he said, I now that I'm off
of the drug.

1580
02:06:03,800 --> 02:06:06,000
I realized those were just
Illusions.

1581
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:09,700
None of that was real.
He said, is there any way you

1582
02:06:09,700 --> 02:06:12,900
can help me get those children
back to their family?

1583
02:06:13,700 --> 02:06:17,900
I'm gone.
How do you do anything now years

1584
02:06:17,900 --> 02:06:24,800
later?
You know, I've got so many

1585
02:06:24,800 --> 02:06:27,800
horrendous things that have
happened because of those

1586
02:06:27,800 --> 02:06:31,800
people.
They even went after the mother

1587
02:06:31,800 --> 02:06:38,800
of the year for Utah.
To take her kids away because

1588
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:45,900
she refused to allow her adopted
daughter who had seizures to

1589
02:06:45,900 --> 02:06:50,000
take something like Adderall,
which is a super strong

1590
02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:57,500
stimulant which caused seizures.
So the mother said, no, I don't

1591
02:06:57,500 --> 02:07:01,600
want her on that.
And that was enough for them to

1592
02:07:01,600 --> 02:07:08,100
come and take her kids.
Yeah, Jeet it.

1593
02:07:08,100 --> 02:07:13,900
We can leave bad everywhere.
You look, if you start putting

1594
02:07:13,900 --> 02:07:22,600
the pieces together, Who.
All right.

1595
02:07:24,800 --> 02:07:26,600
I don't even know what else to
say to that.

1596
02:07:26,600 --> 02:07:32,300
I'm just I'm I'm blown away at
the whole Prospect of all this.

1597
02:07:33,200 --> 02:07:40,400
I know and then you've got on
top of that. the LAPD poly

1598
02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:49,000
graphics for called me in the
early 2000s to and said, I'm

1599
02:07:49,000 --> 02:07:54,700
looking for a doctor, an expert.
Somebody who can tell me why it

1600
02:07:54,700 --> 02:08:00,900
is.
That all these cases of child

1601
02:08:00,900 --> 02:08:07,100
abuse that I'm dealing with,
especially child sex abuse.

1602
02:08:07,800 --> 02:08:12,800
The perpetrator is on Prozac.
Or one of those drugs.

1603
02:08:15,100 --> 02:08:18,700
And I gave him the science.
It's the why that happens.

1604
02:08:19,600 --> 02:08:24,100
I mean, we knew that many
psychiatrists refused to give

1605
02:08:24,100 --> 02:08:27,100
these drugs and beginning,
because they took quickly

1606
02:08:27,100 --> 02:08:32,800
produced Mania bipolar, but they
usually call it now.

1607
02:08:34,200 --> 02:08:43,500
And one of those types of mania
that you can have is nymphomania

1608
02:08:46,500 --> 02:08:50,900
Jesus.
Why wouldn't it for duped child

1609
02:08:50,900 --> 02:08:54,100
sex?
Abuse Terry night out?

1610
02:08:54,100 --> 02:08:59,500
I think I might have found one
cave to of a teacher who seduced

1611
02:08:59,500 --> 02:09:04,400
a student who was not Onyx, the
female teacher to do seen the

1612
02:09:04,400 --> 02:09:09,300
male students who the male
teachers we had seen before.

1613
02:09:09,700 --> 02:09:13,600
So I looked at something that
was that we hadn't seen before,

1614
02:09:13,600 --> 02:09:17,600
which one's the women doing,
Well, that look I'm gonna be on

1615
02:09:17,800 --> 02:09:19,200
you.
Men are kindness men.

1616
02:09:19,200 --> 02:09:25,500
Can kind of be dirtbags.
So I mean that's them, but

1617
02:09:25,500 --> 02:09:27,100
you're right, it's more
surprising.

1618
02:09:27,100 --> 02:09:31,100
When it's a male teacher that
seduces a male student, that

1619
02:09:31,100 --> 02:09:34,000
it's used to be an anomaly,
right?

1620
02:09:34,000 --> 02:09:37,400
And now that seems to be more
and more Common, Plumbing

1621
02:09:37,400 --> 02:09:39,400
whatever.
Well, and we're two minute.

1622
02:09:39,400 --> 02:09:42,300
We're two hours and 41 minutes
into this bet.

1623
02:09:44,600 --> 02:09:49,000
I'm not going to take up.
Your whole night but I want to

1624
02:09:49,000 --> 02:09:54,200
end with this.
Let's say Because this show is

1625
02:09:54,200 --> 02:09:56,600
geared towards Mormons, whether
their fundamentalist or

1626
02:09:56,600 --> 02:09:59,900
mainstream LDS.
I don't know what that that

1627
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:04,700
demographic looks like, but
let's say someone from an LDS

1628
02:10:04,700 --> 02:10:09,400
perspective as noticing that
their child is struggling with

1629
02:10:10,300 --> 02:10:18,300
you know, depression or you know
just yeah, depression anxiety.

1630
02:10:20,300 --> 02:10:22,900
They're going to go to a doctor
and that doctor and say, you

1631
02:10:22,900 --> 02:10:28,700
know what, let's let's put them
on on on you know, Prozac or any

1632
02:10:28,700 --> 02:10:35,700
number of Epic medications.
And let's say this parent is

1633
02:10:35,700 --> 02:10:38,300
awake enough to know that maybe
that's not what they wanted.

1634
02:10:38,300 --> 02:10:41,400
You the spirits working with
them and say you don't don't do

1635
02:10:41,400 --> 02:10:45,900
that.
What can that parent do to help

1636
02:10:45,900 --> 02:10:49,500
that child in lieu of
psychotropic medication?

1637
02:10:51,000 --> 02:10:56,400
What I did with mine which was.
But a man a hypoglycemic diet.

1638
02:10:57,200 --> 02:11:03,900
Keep them away from sugar.
That's the main cause back in

1639
02:11:03,900 --> 02:11:12,300
the early 1900's, the annual
consumption of sugar was about

1640
02:11:12,600 --> 02:11:18,900
five pounds per person right now
what it is today, you know, I

1641
02:11:18,900 --> 02:11:24,600
heard 101.
Good gracious.

1642
02:11:26,400 --> 02:11:32,500
And there is likely almost
identical to cocaine.

1643
02:11:35,900 --> 02:11:39,800
Right?
Well, and not to mention all the

1644
02:11:39,800 --> 02:11:43,200
sugar we get has been Ultra
process it, right?

1645
02:11:44,100 --> 02:11:49,600
- yeah, I look so in and I have
a lot of guys.

1646
02:11:49,600 --> 02:11:54,000
So, I've went back to the gym
hot and heavy but the last six

1647
02:11:54,000 --> 02:11:56,900
months, lost some weight, feel
good.

1648
02:11:57,300 --> 02:12:02,200
And the trainer I work with off
and on, he's not a god guy,

1649
02:12:02,400 --> 02:12:05,400
right?
He doesn't believe. in creation

1650
02:12:05,400 --> 02:12:07,700
or anything else, he's an
evolution guy, but the

1651
02:12:07,700 --> 02:12:14,100
principles are the same right in
the sense that Our ancestors,

1652
02:12:14,100 --> 02:12:18,100
whether you believe in creation
or or Evolution.

1653
02:12:19,100 --> 02:12:24,400
They, they had a specific diet,
right?

1654
02:12:24,400 --> 02:12:27,600
And, and massive amounts of
sugar weren't in there that they

1655
02:12:27,600 --> 02:12:30,200
got sugar from fruit and honey,
and that's it.

1656
02:12:31,300 --> 02:12:31,900
Yeah.
Right.

1657
02:12:32,000 --> 02:12:36,100
When God gave us sugar, he
wrapped it in fiber.

1658
02:12:36,800 --> 02:12:39,700
Exactly.
And so now we're just taking

1659
02:12:39,700 --> 02:12:43,100
straight sugar and it can't be
good for Right.

1660
02:12:43,200 --> 02:12:49,500
The, the yeah so diet has to
play a huge part of that.

1661
02:12:49,500 --> 02:12:53,300
What about just getting away for
a device?

1662
02:12:53,400 --> 02:12:57,400
How important do you think that
is in today's society to help a

1663
02:12:57,400 --> 02:13:02,700
kid who's struggling with with
with depression or anxiety?

1664
02:13:03,900 --> 02:13:07,100
Very important.
I have studies out showing that

1665
02:13:07,100 --> 02:13:12,200
exercise for half an hour, three
times a week is eight times.

1666
02:13:12,300 --> 02:13:14,500
Times more effective than an
antidepressant.

1667
02:13:17,900 --> 02:13:24,000
Have just a curiosity.
Have you looked at the have you

1668
02:13:24,000 --> 02:13:29,500
done the same level of research
on what screen time?

1669
02:13:29,500 --> 02:13:33,300
Does to a kid?
- I'm waking up.

1670
02:13:35,000 --> 02:13:38,300
That's what's in time increases
serotonin as well.

1671
02:13:39,600 --> 02:13:42,500
Which is lime been on these
drugs.

1672
02:13:42,500 --> 02:13:49,800
Cannot even use a computer.
Because it increases their

1673
02:13:49,800 --> 02:13:54,800
serotonin too much, and they've
already had, it increase way too

1674
02:13:54,800 --> 02:13:58,900
high to a toxic level on the
drugs, right?

1675
02:14:00,500 --> 02:14:08,100
So, So basically get the damn
phone out of your hands stopped,

1676
02:14:08,100 --> 02:14:12,400
eating candy and go play and
stay away from dairy.

1677
02:14:14,600 --> 02:14:16,900
Okay?
Because the dairy, dairy, the

1678
02:14:16,900 --> 02:14:20,500
casein and dairy is a serotonin
reuptake inhibitor.

1679
02:14:21,800 --> 02:14:25,800
Wow.
Yeah, you know, there's a doctor

1680
02:14:25,800 --> 02:14:33,700
that took kids that were
Autistic, which is a condition

1681
02:14:33,700 --> 02:14:39,100
of elevated.
Serotonin He took them off Dairy

1682
02:14:39,700 --> 02:14:42,800
and sugar.
Eighty percent of them had all

1683
02:14:42,800 --> 02:14:45,500
their symptoms disappear.
Wow.

1684
02:14:46,700 --> 02:14:52,100
Yeah, wow.
The last word is kind of tear.

1685
02:14:52,100 --> 02:14:54,300
Whoop.
What would you want?

1686
02:14:54,300 --> 02:14:57,600
Your parting words on this
episode to be?

1687
02:15:03,300 --> 02:15:07,400
Just please learn as much as you
can about all this.

1688
02:15:09,500 --> 02:15:13,200
There's so many people even if
you're not on the drug.

1689
02:15:13,200 --> 02:15:16,200
So there's somebody around you
this and they did.

1690
02:15:16,200 --> 02:15:22,100
So, They need to know the truth.
And they need to understand the

1691
02:15:22,100 --> 02:15:27,100
science behind it so that they
know how to overcome the effects

1692
02:15:27,100 --> 02:15:31,900
of the drugs, right?
These things accumulate in brain

1693
02:15:31,900 --> 02:15:36,700
tissue and stay there for quite
some time, right?

1694
02:15:37,500 --> 02:15:42,700
So I'd say go to drug awareness
dot org and get all the

1695
02:15:42,700 --> 02:15:47,800
information you can.
I should say read my book.

1696
02:15:48,800 --> 02:15:55,300
Yes, please, little bee.
It is online on our website at

1697
02:15:55,300 --> 02:15:56,800
drug awareness.
Settlers.

1698
02:15:57,700 --> 02:16:00,700
Okay.
Is that a mountain hard copy

1699
02:16:00,700 --> 02:16:02,600
again soon?
I hope so.

1700
02:16:03,300 --> 02:16:07,300
Whoa, why don't can they
download the book for for a fee?

1701
02:16:08,400 --> 02:16:11,000
Yeah, that's what I said.
It's on our website at direct

1702
02:16:11,000 --> 02:16:14,300
warning dot org.
And how much is that?

1703
02:16:14,300 --> 02:16:18,400
I don't know.
Well, pretty bad, huh?

1704
02:16:18,700 --> 02:16:23,000
I think it was like 19 or
Something, I don't know.

1705
02:16:23,300 --> 02:16:25,000
Perfect, tell us the name of the
book.

1706
02:16:26,400 --> 02:16:31,700
Prozac Panacea or Pandora or
serotonin nightmare.

1707
02:16:32,700 --> 02:16:34,799
Okay.
I would encourage everyone

1708
02:16:34,799 --> 02:16:37,500
listen to this to go get those
two books though, that's going

1709
02:16:37,500 --> 02:16:41,799
to shed so much lat.
What what it is we're up against

1710
02:16:41,799 --> 02:16:45,299
now at this point and Blake
Tracy.

1711
02:16:46,400 --> 02:16:48,900
Thank you so much for all the
work you do.

1712
02:16:50,200 --> 02:16:52,500
Thank you.
All right, by everybody.