Episode #173: PT.3 In The Temple Series-The Law Of Sacrifice W/Seth Laub

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The.
You're listening to the Mormon

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Renegade podcast Dude, thanks
for doing this.

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That's my pleasure.
I, I know it's always a bit, it

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can be a bit disconcerting to
come on and stuff, but it's just

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like talking to your friends
with about 15,000 other people.

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So no way it could, no way it
could go bad.

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But how's things been?
Yeah, we've been super busy.

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You know, I just had twins a
couple months ago, so.

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Yeah.
How is that it's?

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More work than I thought it was
going to be, and I was expecting

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it to be a lot of work.
Dude, it is a ton of work.

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Like I look back on those times
when when our twins were little

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and holy cow, it just like it
went so fast.

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But the reason it went so fast
because I think we were so busy.

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Yeah, right.
And yeah, no, so I, I both, I

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both envy you and kind of not
right?

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I remember, I remember twins So.
But no.

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Are they they all healthy?
Yep, doing good.

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That's it's been kind of my
saying every time I come home

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and it gets a little hectic like
this idea was that to have twins

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like so, but no, I love it and
that's what it's about.

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And I actually always wanted
twins so.

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There is something cool about
it.

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So one boy, one girl.
Nope.

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Two boys.
Two boys.

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Nice, nice.
Well, they'll have someone to

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fight with later, so that'll be
good.

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So there's no picking on
anybody.

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They're the same age, so you got
that going for you, but.

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That's when it's the worst is
when there's no established

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pecking order.
No, you're right.

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That's when it.
So we'll see how it turns out.

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You know, when 1's a year older,
it's pretty easy to be like,

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yeah, he's the boss, but.
Yeah, that's it, right.

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They'll they'll still establish
that like what I noticed with my

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twins.
So my daughter, we had a boy and

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a girl.
The daughter, my daughter was

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the mastermind behind all the
things they shouldn't have done.

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And my boy was the muscle,
right?

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And so when when my daughter got
quiet, that's when I got

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nervous, right?
And I'm like, OK, she's already

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got something developed here and
I got to go find the other one

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before he does something stupid.
So.

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But anyway, well, good stuff.
So loft sacrifice.

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Yeah, it's a big one.
Yeah, it actually.

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It's actually bigger than I
think most people think because

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it it's almost the beginning and
I think it's almost the end.

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It's a weird thing, but.
It is so because it does tie

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into consecration directly.
It's almost like a forerunner to

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consecration.
Exactly.

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You know, I, I got it, I got it
and I got to tell this story

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when, when I first I prayed
about this, you know, and I pray

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about every episode, right?
Who should be on who should do

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the, the, the presentation on
it?

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And your name came up and I was
like, man, I know he's busy,

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right?
And so I called you and you were

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like, that's funny because I
just felt the prompting I needed

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to start studying on.
It Yeah, No, it was that very

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night I was reading through some
stuff that came on the law of

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sacrifice and I stopped right
there and I was just like, man,

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I've got to I got to understand
this better and then that

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morning you called me and like,
hey, I've been putting together

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I was like, well now I have to
come on so like.

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That's happened a few times with
this and and every time I'm

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like, woo, write that one down.
That's one where Dave was in too

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now.
So no, it's it's good.

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So it is a big one, right?
And sacrifice, like there's 2

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words that we hear a lot in the
gospel and scriptures that don't

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sound fun, right?
Yeah, one of them is endurance,

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right?
When I think of endurance, I

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think of like running till you
just can't stand it anymore.

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And then the other sacrifice,
right?

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It, it's kind of a spooky word a
little bit, right?

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I mean, there's, there's some
stuff entailed with it.

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Well, I think if you lay it out
right, then it cause it feels,

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if it's laid on the proper
foundation, then it's not scary

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at all.
I mean, the most beautiful

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thing, but it, but you got to
lay it out on the right

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foundation because like I said,
it's the beginning.

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So if it's the beginning, it
shouldn't be scary.

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That's how it is.
But it's also the end and that's

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where it gets scary.
So it encompasses a a a spectrum

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of growing and learning, I
guess.

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Right.
No, that makes sense.

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So that makes sense.
So what is that foundation then?

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Well, you know, I, it's hard me
to talk about anything,

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especially to do with the temple
without encapsulating the whole

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kind of story, right?
But I think the best way to

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understand the foundation of
sacrifice is exactly how the

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scriptures lay it out.
And it's not a scary thing at

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all.
It's actually the most beautiful

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thing.
Because I think the first time

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we see sacrifice was when Adam
and Eve were given their

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garments in the garden.
Because basically you have, I

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find this interesting.
I'll just point about this the

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last few days.
And Adam and Eve, basically

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they're in the garden.
They're told not to get fruit,

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right?
And Lucifer comes into like,

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hey, you know, it's OK.
You take a bit, you look, it'll

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give you wisdom.
Well, they partake of it.

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And then Lucy was just like, Oh
yeah, take those plants and hide

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yourself, right?
So they're trying to cover.

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I mean, there's a lot of
different ideas on what exactly

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they fell from what exactly
happened there.

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But I think it's all, and that's
a hard thing when you're talking

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about covenants is, and I want
to make this clear.

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They can mean so many different
things, right?

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So I, I, I don't want to just
put like this is what everything

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means because you know it can
mean.

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Well, yeah, the the temple
liturgy is set up in such a way

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that it's almost scripture,
right?

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And as a guy from the LDS Church
who made temple attendance a big

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thing, like I was a weekly
temple goer, right?

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What I found is, is that that
liturgy is like Scripture in

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that depending on what time of
life you're in and what you're

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facing, you're going to extract
a few different things.

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And that's the beautiful thing
about it, yeah.

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So I so I don't want to nail
anything down exactly because

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it's like it's supposed to, it's
supposed to relate with where

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you're at in your life.
But that being said, Satan was

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like, Hey, hide yourself, cover
yourself up, protect yourself

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with these leaves, which I think
kind of the the basic

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understanding will be like,
cover your sin.

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You know what I'm saying with
this?

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That's what I'm saying.
I like with these plants.

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And when God comes into the
garden, I think it's quite

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interesting because what he does
is he says, that's not going to

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work.
You know what I mean?

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Like there has to be a blood
sacrifice.

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There has to be something has to
die, right?

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And I think it's, it's possible.
I mean, you look at it two ways.

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One way is is, you know, say God
says you eat particular this

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fruit, you will certainly die.
And they actually did right

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because they brought them into
mortality.

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But I think that maybe even it
was bigger than that with

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because we know the consequence
for sin is death and we do have

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a fortune fall understanding in
the restoration, which I think

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is cool, But still there was a
something broken.

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There was a fall from something
and it's possible that their

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their penalty was death.
But what God does is he

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basically says to hide them from
that penalty or the judgement

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was coming saying just like
cover yourself with these plants

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and God's like that, that Nope,
it's not going to work.

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It has to be has to be.
Because if you notice, I mean,

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this ain't explicitly said, but
it is said that he gave them

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garments made of skin, right?
And if you think about it, fact,

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a lot of the, the rabbi's talk
about this, they talk about how

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to Adam and Eve death, like the
killing of an animal that they

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hadn't seen it, like they've
seen deaths before.

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So that was like the first, the
first, like that's the

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consequence of sin.
Like it makes it.

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And I don't know, I mean, I grew
up on a farm and so like goats,

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cows, we did, we raised our own
meat and we did a lot of hunting

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too.
But it's funny how I how life is

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sacred.
It's weird, but to take

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especially an animal you raise
to even to kill it like it it,

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it's weird.
It makes me feel it's not the

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best feeling, right?
It's not.

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No, no, you're, you're 100%
correct.

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And I thought about this too.
Let me scoot this back just a

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little bit more.
So sorry.

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There we go More you and less
me.

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It's gonna be good for
everybody.

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The the thing that I noticed is
that when I I I used to be a

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hunter, right?
Not so much anymore, but I used

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to take my boy out and I
remember my boy telling me, dad,

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this, this doesn't feel good.
And I was like, you should hold

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on to that, right?
Certainly I am pro hunting,

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right?
I'm not saying don't go hunting,

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but you're right, it does feel
it does require a little bit of

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humility, right to do that.
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Very humbling.
Especially when you go back into

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the Old Testament, right?
That sacrificial lamb that was

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brought into the house, right?
The kids.

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Yeah, the kids got attached.
It was a pet, essentially.

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Think about like offering your
dog as a sacrifice.

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That would that would be the the
equivalent.

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Probably, yeah.
But I mean, like I said, I

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remember the first time, like we
we raised goats and so, you

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know, Dad would usually take
care of it.

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I remember 1st and then I had
older brothers.

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They would they would end up
killing it, you know, and then

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it came my turn and it's weird
like you can't and like it says

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hunting is hard one, but but
when you raise an animal times

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that by 100, I don't know
anybody has done both.

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I think they could relate to
that, but it's because you're

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looking at this animal and and
you can tell it's innocent.

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It's weird.
You know, it's just like this is

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it's just going about his day,
just like doesn't know what's

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coming.
You know what I'm saying?

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This is happy go lucky and and
innocent and could be.

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So it has that.
It drives home that that almost

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like, you know, this is
innocent.

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This is And so if you think
about the feeling that that

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would have drove home to Adam
and Eve in the garden, right?

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Because it's like, yeah.
And then I think is it possible

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that the the skins he made those
garments out of were lambskins?

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You know what I'm?
Saying dude, there's there's we

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don't have any reason to believe
they couldn't have been exactly

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right.
I mean, he doesn't go into what

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happened there, but I'm, I'm, I
kind of view the scriptures in a

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lot of ways.
Like I, I view the constitution,

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right?
I'm more of a literate

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literalist, right?
And so I think, I think the

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founder said what they meant.
And I think in, in this sort of

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scenario where God says it's
skins, I'm guessing it's skins,

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right?
And so, and not only just

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because everything is living in
harmony there, right?

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I mean, like you're saying the,
the concept of death didn't even

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creep into their minds, right?
Like I, I, I imagine that when

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God tells them thou shalt die,
you eat of this fruit, right?

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Yeah.
I, I don't, I don't know if they

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fully got it until probably they
saw that first animal die.

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And then I can only imagine the
guilt they probably felt too

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right at first.
Well, I mean, it's it's kind of

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mixed because like says, I tend
to think that for what they did

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that right out of the gate,
those skins of covering to

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protect them.
That was that was the first

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sacrifice.
That was the first pointing to

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Christ, basically saying, Adam,
you should be the one dying, but

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we're going to this lamb's going
to cover for you, right?

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We're going to it's the skin is
now going to protect you.

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We're saying, just like no,
nobody has to die.

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Nobody has to die.
We can just use the plant.

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I mean, I can go pluck a garlic
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whatever.
That doesn't bring that feeling

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at all.
You know, they, I almost tend to

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think that that was Satan.
That was the first Antichrist

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move of Satan basically saying,
you know what I mean?

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Like don't and, and now, now,
now think about this Cain and

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Abel, right?
The same thing saying just like,

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forget about this, you don't
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Let's go to fruit, right?
The same, the same pattern where

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there it's another Antichrist.
And that's the thing about we're

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talking about not change the
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You change that, it becomes
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It's no longer driving on the
point, bringing out the emotion

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and point your mind to the right
place And Satan, that's good.

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Satan's trying to turn turned
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That's pointing to Christ right
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you can do this this way, that
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Again with the leaves, with the
vegetation, which brings no

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emotional response.
It doesn't hit home.

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It doesn't, you know.
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And boy, you can see how that
could be twisted too in that

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scenario, right?
And again, this is a side

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tangent we'll get back.
But but this, you know, this

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thought of gosh, you don't have
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What's wrong with your God if
you just listen to me?

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I mean, nothing has to die,
right?

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Oh, that's so insidious.
Well, essentially is a he's

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minimizing sin where we can't
get away from sin is death like

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this.
Like if we lose that concept,

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then we live in a world
essentially that we kind of live

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in right now where nothing
really sin has really no

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consequence weight, nothing that
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And essentially every society
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decay and implodes on itself.
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And so it's interesting I see in
the temple with everything God's

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trying to reinforce like there's
serious consequences, covenants

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mean something, you know what
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And where anciently it was kind
of, I was just listening to a, a

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Christian guy, which I like
listening to Christians that

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prove Mormonism right, 'cause
there's no like, you know, let

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him, let him do that thing,
right, 'cause I don't like it

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when people are like too biased.
You know what I'm saying?

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I like when there's no biased
and there and you're like, did

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you guys know what you're
preaching here?

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But he was saying, Dang, got to
watch my my train.

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It derails.
Mine.

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Just you.
It's all right.

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That's what this show is.
Don't sweat it.

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Oh, he was saying that in the
ancient world, he's like all

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covenants were made.
He's like you got to realize

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that most of them because he's
talking about what God did favor

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him right, The covenant and and
and he was bringing out the to

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come to the the root word of
covenant is to cut and he's like

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usually that meant like cutting
an animal and then he says now I

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divide the animals and happen.
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That was really common to where
you you sometimes you'd cut your

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skin and blood.
You know, me shake hands with

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mingling the blood.
But ultimately all of that was

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to drive home the fact that this
covenant is going, I mean, it's,

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it's, it's, it's the entirety of
our life.

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It's going to last through the
entirety of our life, which on

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the flip side is if I break this
covenant, I'm going to die,

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right, right.
However you want to look at

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that, I'm not I'm not saying
that they would there was like

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blood atonement going on there.
But still it was that in the

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ancient world, it was that we
understood that these covenants

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had to be this serious.
Because if they're not, then

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everything employs, you have
treaties you have and even

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things like marriage, right?
Like, and so now we live in a

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society culture where covenants
don't mean too much, nothing

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means too much.
Everything just gets watered

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down and God just like, oh, you
know, he's trying to get us back

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to the seriousness of it and,
and sacrifice.

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The more Satan can be like, you
know, hey, just go pick a fruit

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that's as good as killing a
lamb's.

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Like, no, it's not the same
thing, right?

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It does not bring out the same
thing.

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So it's I can see the what he's
always trying to do and it's

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always trying to point you away
from Christ and not towards

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Christ.
No, that's, that's good.

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There's so much we can take from
from that, from the Adam and Eve

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account, right?
One, one of the ones that jumped

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out at me a few years ago was
when Adam and Eve first partake

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of that fruit and Lucifer's like
hide, right?

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Take take some pig leaves and
then hide.

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Yeah.
And what I found interesting

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there is that God was still
seeking Adam out, right?

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Let's let's be clear.
God is God.

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And so he knew exactly what.
Was going to happen.

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What was going to happen?
And and even in Adam's

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transgression, God is still
seeking him out.

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Right.
And sometimes I think as I've

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talked with folks who have gone
inactive or given up Mormonism,

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almost all of them have the
sense of I've done too much.

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I cannot come back.
And I'm like, no, that's not

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right.
I mean, there's very few things

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you can do that you can't come
back from and barring.

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Those now you're getting to the
how sacrifice at the foundation

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should not be looked at as heavy
at all because it's that, right?

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It's basically saying no matter
what you do, it's been covered.

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That's like, so we're looking
that the foundation of sacrifice

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has to start with looking at
Christ and what he did for us.

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Now.
Now the end of that is we're

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supposed to become like Christ,
you know, so, but we start out

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with looking at him and what he
did for us and you know, that's

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bringing it back to Adam and Eve
decision.

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He's I'll make your skins, which
drives on the point.

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You know, something's got to
die.

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You can't just pick some fig
leaves.

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You know what I'm saying right,
And but then think about this.

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So what ultimately is the What
does the garment represent?

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The garment represents the the
the glory that Adam and Eve used

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to have, right?
That's one interpretation I've

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heard.
Yeah, but in the context of

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sacrifice, think about in a
biblical sense of he says I will

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give you this to protect you,
right.

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What I'm saying your your
clothes.

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So what does this?
What is the lamb?

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What is the Lamb represent?
Protection and forgiveness and a

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covering.
But the lamb always represents

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Christ, right?
So now what does the garment

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represent?
Christ.

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Yeah, exactly.
So you're, you're, you're

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covered in the protection.
He's, he's covering you and

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wrapping you.
So it's funny because we get a

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lot.
And 1st, I ought to you know, I

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ought to maybe make some
clarifications that I don't I'm

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not representing any
organization soldering.

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These are my own personal sure.
Yep, so not.

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Everybody.
Yeah.

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No, that's that's always good.
Understood.

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I just don't want people to be
like that's not how I see it.

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But anyways, and then so if you
if you think about and the other

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thing I wanted to actually bring
up is I hope everything that's

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said can just point people to
God, right?

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Give them a stronger testimony
and if I like to tell people if

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what I say doesn't like light
the fire and help you understand

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something.
Dude please just set on a shelf.

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Discard because it's not doing.
What you.

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Want it to do so I hope that we
can encourage people and build

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people up and but with that, if
you think about what the garment

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represents in the in the and
that's what I'm saying.

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I won't get too dogmatic, right?
Because you can mean many

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different things, but at its
foundational level, it seems

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quite obvious.
The Scriptures, you can just tie

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one dot to dot, the covering of
Christ and, and now we have, if

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you understand what the garment
represents.

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Now, would you ever dare
dishonor, you know what I'm

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saying?
I mean, because essentially, if

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you have that understanding and
it's a little bit hard, it might

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be a overused metaphor, but it's
like, it's a little bit like the

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American flag and what it
represents to me, you know, I'm

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saying what you know, it
represents our freedom, our

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Constitution, which I think was
inspired by God.

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And so you see it and just like
that, and I want to fly that

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right because I see what it
represents.

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But what saying does every time
is now we have huge amounts of

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people that are basically
saying, no, this flag represents

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tyranny.
It represents what taking other

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people's land.
I don't know.

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And it doesn't matter how much
you're like what?

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No, you know I'm saying.
Like they've been beguiled into

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seeing the flag that way.
So they're burning, they're

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stomping on it there.
And that's, that's Satan's way

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of always taking something holy
or good.

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And and that's what he does with
God's things.

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And he wants to invert in some
way or else do that to it and

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make you defile and dishonor it,
right.

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And so we need to always keep
everything in the proper context

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of what they actually mean and
don't let Satan like twist them

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into a million different things.
So I like to think at the at the

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foundational level, once again,
sacrifice should because I

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remember the first time I went
to the temple, it's like I was a

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little bit like right out of the
gate you get sacrificed.

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I'm like, so it shouldn't be
that way because of the

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foundation.
Even we see in Abraham the Pearl

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right price where he basically
says, you know, Adam offered

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sacrifices.
The Angel came and said, why are

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you doing it?
And he says he said, I don't

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know whether God commanded me.
I could read.

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I think it's Abraham by but
people know where it is and he

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says I know not.
And the Angel says, well, this

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isn't some military the only
begotten son.

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We see that Pat repeated.
So basically right out the gate,

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it's pointing our mind and we
shouldn't be looking at it as a

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sacrifice.
We have to make it the

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foundation.
We should be looking at it as it

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was a sacrifice made in our half
so we can actually start the

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journey right.
So that was kind of it's funny

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that night you called me.
That's literally what hit me so

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hard is that is the foundation
you have to start sacrifice on.

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Don't look at it as a heavy
thing.

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The start out of it is, is it's
Christ what he did for you so

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you could Even so you're not
killed on the spot, so to speak,

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right, because you've already
sinned.

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So he's like, no, I, I've done
this for you.

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And then you're like, oh, wow.
So it's the beginning of

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sacrifice is the most framed
thing ever and it should always

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point us.
We need to build on that

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foundation.
Right, absolutely there, there's

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there's a lot there to look at,
right, this idea that because it

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it is the the second one, right.
So obedience and then it's

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sacrifice and, and they kind of
go, I find it interesting that

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in the ceremony itself there,
they're back-to-back, right?

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I mean, they're closer than than
any of the others in, in terms

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of where they sit within the
ceremony.

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And I think that's by design.
And, and you're right, like

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when, when I look at, at the law
of sacrifice, it's, it's

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essentially the way back, right?
Because because you know, it's,

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it's clear that, you know, hey,
we're going to provide a savior

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for you, right?
And, and they tie that in really

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closely.
And so it's this idea that this

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is, this is how you get back.
This is, this is the gate at

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which you're going to enter to
take these other things.

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And, and I find that to be super
important, especially where it

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sits, right.
And inside the ceremony itself,

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because it's it is laying the
foundation for everything else

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you're going to do after that.
Yeah.

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Well, if you think about even
like obedience, right, just

444
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,440
think about the like, I send my
kids to school.

445
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:23,680
We have a kind of a home school
here.

446
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:29,520
But if, if the policy is if the
kids won't obey, then the

447
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:30,760
parents have to come get them,
right?

448
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,600
Because you can't teach a kid
that's not going to obey.

449
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,360
I mean, you just can't teach.
No, So it's interesting.

450
00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:37,280
It's just like right out of the
gate, it's like, well, if you're

451
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,240
not going to be obedient, you
just need to send home, right.

452
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,280
So it's like there's nothing to
do.

453
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,520
So has to start with obedience.
You can't teach nobody that's

454
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,600
not willing to be obedient.
And we know that with little

455
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,120
kids.
So that makes perfect sense.

456
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,040
And then right out of the gate,
like saying the next thing is

457
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,440
OK, now you need to realize that
in order for you to even start,

458
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,520
there had to been a sacrifice
made in your behalf.

459
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,200
So that's the grace, right?
That's that's the that's the

460
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,800
foundation which it starts.
And then progressively, as we

461
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:09,920
move forward, we're supposed to
be following in Christ's

462
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,440
footsteps.
So at the end, we're like him.

463
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,200
I guess that's the story, right?
That we will that when we meet

464
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,440
him, we'll be like him.
We'll be coheirs with Christ.

465
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:18,280
Exactly.
Yep.

466
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,080
Yep.
So let let me ask you this

467
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,960
question.
The verbiage is pretty heavy,

468
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,760
right?
And I think it has to be right.

469
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:31,600
It's that you'll, you'll even
give your own life if necessary.

470
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,360
Yeah.
What do you think that's really

471
00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:40,960
saying there?
Well, you know, to be honest, I

472
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,080
don't want to, I don't want to
say that it's not saying that

473
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,120
you won't sacrifice your life
for, for God, because I think

474
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:50,320
there's inherent in, in the
birth of Christianity that hey,

475
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,240
deny Christ or die.
Well, die, you know what I'm

476
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,760
saying?
That's, that's, that's part of

477
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,360
the consider the cost that
Christ talks about.

478
00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:59,520
You know, you'll be locked up if
you follow me.

479
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:00,680
You'll be killed if you follow
me.

480
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,160
So, so I don't want to totally
remove that, but but think about

481
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,360
it like this too.
If you have an athlete that

482
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:10,120
wants to perform in an Olympic
sport, you know what I mean?

483
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,240
And me as a trainer, I, I dirt
bike ride.

484
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,200
So right.
So supercross, I like, I like

485
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,480
watching supercross, but you get
any, anybody that succeeds in

486
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,400
any sport right now because
it's, it's just razor.

487
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,720
It's like they're pushing the
human body to the like, you

488
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,880
can't compete.
You cannot compete unless you

489
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,440
sacrifice your life to it,
right?

490
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,440
And so you can sacrifice your
life to many different things.

491
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,800
And that is, I don't want to get
too off in the woods, but I

492
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,120
think it is kind of a cool thing
when you think about the law of

493
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:43,280
sacrifice, because ultimately
there's a a law, which is

494
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,800
another thing I think the world
tries to lead us away from is

495
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,680
everything's relative, right?
But there's a lot like gravity.

496
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,320
If you throw something up, it's
going to come down every time.

497
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,320
And there's also a law of
sacrifice.

498
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:58,080
So if you look at it as if, in
other words, you can't get away

499
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,760
from the law of sacrifice.
And I think this is just not to

500
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:05,000
get, I mean, I don't want to
steer it away, away from the, I

501
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,720
guess this is the fullness of
the gospel, what we, what we

502
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,560
tend to say, we want to preach.
So.

503
00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:11,960
So I'm going to cover a lot.
Of things, yeah.

504
00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:12,480
We're.
Yeah.

505
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,280
I don't.
Want to get too far off in the

506
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,200
woods?
But if you think about it, if I

507
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,120
did die and somebody's like,
hey, did you?

508
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,040
Did you, You know, let's say I
died in my life.

509
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,120
I just couldn't figure it out,
like nothing would ever work

510
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:29,120
out.
And they're like, he didn't

511
00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:31,400
understand the law of sacrifice.
I mean, nobody told you about

512
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:32,960
the law of sacrifice.
And I'd be like, well, what are

513
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,640
you talking about?
So I want people to know there

514
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,560
is a law of sacrifice, like
gravity, right, that exists.

515
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,480
In other words, you're always
sacrificing something.

516
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,680
If I want good health, I have to
sacrifice eating right and

517
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,760
exercise to get good help.
If I don't sacrifice or I can

518
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,800
sacrifice my good health to eat
whatever I want.

519
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,240
See what I'm saying, right.
So there is a law on every

520
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,120
aspect that we're doing.
We don't even know it, but I

521
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:58,520
think it's interesting.
So that law exists, but bringing

522
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:03,120
it back to these athletes like
you got to you got to sacrifice

523
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,520
your life to, to to actually
compete in this sport, What you

524
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,000
eat, you have to sacrifice going
on with the friends.

525
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,280
You can't drink, you can't
party, you can't.

526
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,160
And they do this.
They put them on a strict diet.

527
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,000
You know what I'm saying?
And it's just like, you got to

528
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,840
get your sleep, like you have to
sacrifice your life for this.

529
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,120
And I think ultimately what
God's saying is 1.

530
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:21,920
I like just the idea that I kind
of put out that there is a lot

531
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,560
of sacrifice, but what God's
doing, he's just like, I want

532
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,760
you to sacrifice everything for
the building up of Zion, right?

533
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,000
So it's kind of like if you
think of it in an athlete way,

534
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,280
it's not saying run yourself
into the ground for the building

535
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,600
building up of Zion.
It's just saying everything

536
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,200
you're doing like an like an
Olympic athlete would.

537
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,080
You're doing the same thing for
the purpose of the building up

538
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,760
of Zion.
You're consecrating your life to

539
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,560
that.
That's your And so I think

540
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,120
that's a lot of what even the
temple is trying to get us to do

541
00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:54,280
is it's it's letting us know
what we need to sacrifice for

542
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,400
because that's the other thing
I'm I'm I can bear my testimony

543
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,960
that no sacrifice you do for
good.

544
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:03,360
It in the law of sacrifice.
It has a reward that comes back,

545
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:03,920
right?
Yeah.

546
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,000
So you put your bread out on the
water in many days, it comes

547
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,400
back 10 folds one way or the
other, right?

548
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,600
You exercise and eat healthy,
you're going to get healthy.

549
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,640
You don't you're going to it all
comes back.

550
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:18,960
So this is that's a whole nother
like I guess leg of sacrifice,

551
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,680
but it kind of it kind of is
kind of relevant, I guess.

552
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,360
No, I think it's very relevant
because look, as of this moment

553
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:31,920
in time, very few of us are
called to, to actually give our

554
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,920
lives in terms of dying, right?
It's just not the time we're

555
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:40,120
living in.
So knowing who God is, you can't

556
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,000
say, well, then that doesn't
count, right?

557
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,160
That we don't have to worry
about that because look at the

558
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,320
time we live in, I, I don't
think he works that way.

559
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,080
So then what's it trying to get
across?

560
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:55,280
And I do not want to downplay
anybody's sacrifice in the past,

561
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,920
right?
Sure, but it dying's an event,

562
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,240
right?
It happens once for each of us,

563
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:07,720
essentially, right?
What's even more impressive is

564
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:12,520
when someone is that living
sacrifice for Christ and the God

565
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,920
and the God, right?
Because that is, look, the root

566
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,000
word of disciple is discipline,
right?

567
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,120
To be a disciple of Christ,
you're going to be disciplined,

568
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,360
right?
And going, I like your analogy

569
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,400
on the athletes, right, Because
I, I had a friend who who

570
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,720
flirted with going to the NFL,
right?

571
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:40,600
He was, he was in walk ONS with
or had a blanking on the word, a

572
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,680
private workout with the 49ers,
right?

573
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,120
And for like a whole week.
Oh yeah, no, you're, you're.

574
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,880
And, and he'd been doing a lot
of this coming up, right?

575
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,400
But I mean, it's waking up in
the morning and you know, you're

576
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:54,600
you're.
Sacrificial leg to it.

577
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,440
Yeah, You're gonna drink.
You're gonna get whatever it is

578
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,120
you drink in the morning.
You're gonna go to the gym.

579
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,480
You're gonna spend two to three
hours at the gym, then you're

580
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,520
gonna go to drills, then you're
gonna watch film.

581
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,400
Then you're gonna go.
You know, it's, it's just an

582
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,200
insane life, right?
I shouldn't say insane life.

583
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,600
It's a focused life, right?
And, and I think that's what one

584
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,240
of the things in in our day we
need to look at is by taking on

585
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,440
this law, by taking on this
covenant.

586
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,400
One of the things I think we're
looking at is like, OK, I

587
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,320
understand that you're willing
to make that ultimate sacrifice,

588
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,640
but the other ultimate sacrifice
is live from the gospel, live

589
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,280
for your family, be a living
sacrifice.

590
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,800
Wear yourselves out in that.
Yeah.

591
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,200
I was, I was laughing because
what you said, he reminded me of

592
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,480
a man.
I don't know if it's a movie or

593
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:44,360
something, but he says somebody
is trying to get, I can't

594
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,920
remember the scenario, but he
says, you know, what's the

595
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,520
matter?
You afraid of breaking your neck

596
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:49,880
and dying?
He said, no, I'm afraid of

597
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,320
breaking my neck and living.
Yeah, that's.

598
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,800
Right.
That's that's exactly right.

599
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:54,800
Yeah.
So that's.

600
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,200
Kind of talking about, you know,
sometimes dying is not the

601
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,560
hardest thing.
Sometimes living and during

602
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,920
yeah, is actually, you know, and
I, I see this a lot of people

603
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,000
that like, oh, I would, you
know, I would die for, for the

604
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,160
gospel.
I'd die for my wife.

605
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,560
I'd die.
And yeah, I was just like, well,

606
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,280
you're not living for him.
You know what I'm saying?

607
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:13,800
It's interesting.
It's really easy for some time

608
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,440
to actually to actually look at
the martyrs in the past and

609
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,240
actually be like, yeah, it's we
could do that event, even though

610
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,400
no one knows what we'd really do
when it come down to.

611
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,000
But still, we can think in our
minds, but then miss the point.

612
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,240
Well, if I'm willing to die for
my family or die for God or die

613
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,320
for these things, how am I
living for me, right.

614
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,840
And every day.
So I I think that's a. 100%

615
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,400
correct.
And, and I want to ask you a

616
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,120
question on this because I think
I think you might have a unique

617
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,040
perspective here on this a
little bit because and, and

618
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,160
correct me if I'm wrong here as
I because I came, I came out

619
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,520
here really in the 11th hour of
when the, the, the temple was

620
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:53,320
being built.
Yeah.

621
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,080
But what I noticed was, is that
there was a core group of guys,

622
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:03,640
right, who who really kept that
thing moving forward in in my

623
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,040
best estimation and, and to to
from what I've been able to

624
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,600
glean, you were one of those
guys.

625
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,240
And so you got to kind of live a
sacrificial life for a while.

626
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:14,920
What was that like for you?
Yeah.

627
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,160
Well, I'm not sure exactly what
you're asking, but.

628
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,640
You spent a lot of time at the
temple.

629
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,360
Yeah, No.
And.

630
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,160
And what was that like?
Because it was, it had to have

631
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,600
been a sacrifice, right?
For sure.

632
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,240
The interesting thing is, is,
well, what I experienced myself

633
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,840
is man, as a Jose that I just
relayed with so much as he said,

634
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,960
you know, you guys all got you
guys all got nice houses, but

635
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,920
you don't have, you know, you're
building your nice houses, but

636
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,320
there's no place for the Lord to
live.

637
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,640
And he says you, you put stuff
in your basket, your your bag,

638
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:54,440
but your bags got holes in it.
And it's weird that what I

639
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,280
actually experienced with my
sacrifice on the temple was I

640
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,080
felt like my bag holes got
sealed up financially and I was

641
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,720
taken care of.
And now it's interesting.

642
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,200
I'm like, I'm just like, well,
after we're done with that and

643
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,000
go back to my life.
And don't get me wrong, we were

644
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,080
putting a lot of things on the
back burner that kind of have to

645
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:14,040
get get caught up on, But it
surprised me how God has the

646
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,160
ability, if you sacrifice for
him, he magically makes your

647
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,960
money go further.
You know what I'm saying?

648
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,920
It's weird.
And so sometimes we live in the

649
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,160
illusion of, well, I can't
sacrifice to God because I don't

650
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,440
have enough.
But just like Hosea said, I

651
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,840
think it's Hosea.
I swear, No, that's not that's

652
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,320
not right.
I'll, I'll maybe.

653
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,840
We'll, it'll be fine.
Look, I am not the best

654
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,760
Scriptorian.
I can remember what I read, but

655
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,160
I can't remember where I read
it.

656
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,960
So you're.
Just funny is how I came onto

657
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,000
this is I actually went in my
gospel libraries and when we

658
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,600
were working on the temple and I
and I and I just was reading the

659
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,400
books and I was like, I've never
heard of that book before.

660
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,520
And I and I opened up and it's
like the shortest book in the

661
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:50,960
Bible and I read.
It's like two things.

662
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,080
It was all about the temple and
it just was so relevant.

663
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,880
So my experience with, with
sacrificing for the temple is

664
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,160
God just took care of us like
our business made more money

665
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,600
than it ever made.
And but yet I, I wasn't doing

666
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,960
any better at home, but I wasn't
doing any worse, right?

667
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,040
So it's like, so like I said, I
don't know exactly what you're

668
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,199
asking, but that was my
experience.

669
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,480
No, that's like, no, that's
exactly, that's exactly what I

670
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,880
was saying, right?
And that's exactly what I was

671
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,159
looking for because I think
Christ makes an illusion in the

672
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:26,800
New Testament to end the Book of
Mormon as well to the lost

673
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,120
sacrifice where he says if you
lose your life, you'll find it.

674
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:34,199
Yeah, right.
And sometimes we look at

675
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:40,679
sacrifice as just giving away
right now by the very definition

676
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:43,320
of the word, right, that would
be correct.

677
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,480
But in the Gospel sense, it's
different, right?

678
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:52,400
It doesn't carry the same same
connotations as just the Barrett

679
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,880
English language would, would
spell that out.

680
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,000
And so often times, at least in
my own life, and I think this is

681
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,800
what you were alluding to, is
that as, as you sacrifice for

682
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,920
the Lord, as you become that
living sacrifice, he takes care

683
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,800
of you, right?
And I don't want to be

684
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,320
Pollyanna, Pollyannaish in this
right?

685
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,440
Where it's like, well, just
sacrifice more and you'll be OK.

686
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,680
You know, sometimes, sometimes I
think we have preconceived

687
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,440
notions of what OK looks like,
right?

688
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,880
And I, I'm not saying that
everything's going to work out

689
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,040
like the way you had envisioned
or the way you had planned, but

690
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:38,160
you will be able to, you'll be
able to fulfill the purpose in

691
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:39,720
at what you're doing, needing to
do.

692
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:41,640
And that's, that's the important
thing.

693
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,880
And you know, I can, I can
certainly testify this a little

694
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,800
bit as well.
I remember when I took the

695
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,360
missionary discussions when I
was first becoming a Mormon,

696
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,280
right?
And it's like, OK, here's what

697
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:57,080
you got to do because I like to
break everything down, right.

698
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,640
OK, so it's three hours of
church every week or, or first

699
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,600
it was, you know, 10% of my
income.

700
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,120
I'm going to give up all the
things I used to do, right?

701
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,960
All the partying, all the
corrals, carousing, all that

702
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,400
stuff that's gone.
I'm going to make a personal

703
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,680
effort to, to, to be diligent
and reading my scriptures and

704
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,960
saying my prayers.
And then they're like, and yeah,

705
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:26,800
church last three hours and I'm
like, slow down, right?

706
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,880
But the thing was, is that as I
became disciplined and did those

707
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:37,600
things, the blessings were more
than the perceived sacrifice,

708
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,920
right?
And I think, I think we can see

709
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,280
this in Adam and Eve's case in
that, yeah, you're going to have

710
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,960
to do some some things that
don't feel so good, but the

711
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,920
blessing is this is your way
back.

712
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:59,640
Yeah, yeah, 100%.
So with, with that, sorry about

713
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,120
that.
We kind of took a little bit of

714
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,360
a tangent there.
So we, we've talked about that

715
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:08,960
to you, what does, what does
that life look like?

716
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,160
What does a sacrificial life
look like?

717
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,760
Well, it's, there's one thing
that I like about Mormonism is,

718
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,760
well, I mean, Jagel and Kimball
kind of summed it up.

719
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,040
It's, you know, somebody called
him up.

720
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,480
There's a story they called him
up to to pray over their garden,

721
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:25,600
right?
And he gets up there and he

722
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,480
kicks the soil and he's just
like, yeah, you don't need

723
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:34,480
prairies and even manure.
And I, I really like Mormonism,

724
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,680
how it how it doesn't completely
leave common sense.

725
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,280
You know what I'm saying, right?
But yet it really ties in what

726
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,720
you're talking about.
Like the spiritual aspects of

727
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:46,560
steel are there too.
And it's, it's kind of a

728
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,360
two-part thing because we live
in mortality.

729
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,800
But on one hand, kind of what
you're saying, well, you, you,

730
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,960
you pay your tithing and God
bless you, right.

731
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,200
And, and the other thing we're
promised is if you pay your

732
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,960
tithing, he says, you know, try
me, I'll open up the windows of

733
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,280
heaven that you can't, you can't
even receive the blessings.

734
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,840
And I like that's kind of a
two-part thing is one part kind

735
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,600
of what I shared with with
myself.

736
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,040
Is there a spiritual aspect of
it?

737
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,360
When you sacrifice what God
wants, he seals up the holes in

738
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:15,680
your bag and things just go
further.

739
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:17,960
But the other thing is it just
mathematical.

740
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,600
You pay, you pay your tithing
like you pull together

741
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,760
mathematically.
It just happens so when you

742
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,520
start when you start talking
about a sacrificial what a

743
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:33,720
sacrificial life looks like
starters.

744
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:37,800
I like to there's two things
that might seem contradictory

745
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:43,200
because one is is just the the
DNC that says you know he was

746
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,520
commanded in all things as
thoughtful servant.

747
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,280
You should be anxiously engaged
in a good work.

748
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:54,080
Nobody will rob your reward if
you're if you're in other words,

749
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,360
if you're doing good, it's good,
right?

750
00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:59,120
But yet on the flip side, Joe
Smith makes the comment that he

751
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,920
says you may do all things
except that which God commands

752
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,560
you and come up short.
So we're at the idea ain't just

753
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,680
to go out and sacrifice for
anything.

754
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,080
You know, I'm saying the idea
is, is to know kind of what God

755
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:17,360
wants you to be doing.
And so that I think that's kind

756
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:18,600
of bringing it back to the
temple.

757
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,320
That's kind of what the temple
kind of does is it's trying to

758
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,640
orientate us on exactly what
direction and what, what we need

759
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,160
to be sacrificing for.
But I don't want to totally

760
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,760
leave out the idea that it's
actually the responsibility of

761
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,960
every single person to be down
on their knees and say, Hey,

762
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:40,280
God, what do you want me to do?
Because I, my dad says something

763
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,960
I like, he says, you know,
there's many, there's many rows

764
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,960
in the Lord's vineyard and we
all need to hoe our row.

765
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,960
You know what I'm saying?
It's just like, I think we all

766
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,760
get, sometimes you get the idea
that everybody needs to be in my

767
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,280
row with whatever I'm doing.
But it's like the, I think God's

768
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,160
a little bigger.
And I think everybody needs to

769
00:39:55,160 --> 00:40:00,840
be trying to figure out exactly
what God does want them to

770
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,440
sacrifice for.
And here's The thing is we we

771
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,520
talked about what we've kind of
experienced with the temple

772
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,560
building.
But there's a lot of sacrifices

773
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:15,080
that God may ask you to do that
you may not see the, the

774
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,240
blessing for right off.
It may just feel like the

775
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:19,560
sacrifice, you know, saying,
well, where's the reward?

776
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,280
What's happening?
But it's kind of like I tell my

777
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,720
family, the interesting thing
is, is I don't know how many

778
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:27,480
times I've been saved from a car
accident.

779
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,560
I don't know how many times I've
been saved from cancer.

780
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,360
I don't know how many times.
So, so sometimes we can, God can

781
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,680
be totally protecting us, Walt,
because we're doing what he

782
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,600
wants us to do.
And but yet we might be like,

783
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,800
let's just sacrifice.
I'm not receiving any blessings

784
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,400
because it's hard to see
blessings when you don't know

785
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,640
what he protected you from, you
know?

786
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,280
So that's that's such a good
point.

787
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:54,920
Or kind of, you know, and you
don't know what seeds you're

788
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,360
planting either, just by doing
what you're supposed to.

789
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,840
Yeah, I think that's great.
You know, I have.

790
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,600
I had a case that was kind of
like that once.

791
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,680
This was back in my LDS church
days and I had moved into this

792
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,560
ward and I'm not going to name
names or tell you which ward on

793
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,800
air here because I want to
protect their identity a little

794
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:15,960
bit.
I don't know where they're at

795
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,840
these days.
But I remember the Bishop called

796
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,000
me like, I'm, I'm in that ward
like all of two weeks, right?

797
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,840
I don't know anybody.
And I'm in a stage in my life

798
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,840
where I'm like, I want to hang
out in the back.

799
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,400
I want to be left alone, right?
I'm going to always go to

800
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,880
church.
I'm always going to do my thing.

801
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:36,400
I'm always going to go to the
temple, pay my tithing.

802
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,840
But I, you know, I'm, I'm like,
I don't know if you've ever been

803
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,200
there, but you're just like, I
just need some time and I just

804
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:49,600
need some space, right?
And so I, I'm in this ward and

805
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,560
literally 2 weeks after we move
in, like we still have boxes

806
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,040
that have to be unpacked.
I get a call from, from the

807
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,840
Bishop going, hey, can you come
in and you and your wife talk to

808
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,400
me?
And I was like, oh, hopefully

809
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,920
it's just, you know, a get to
know you kind of meeting, right?

810
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:08,360
But it wasn't, they called me as
ward mission leader.

811
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:14,240
And I remember I went in and he
was like, look, we're going to

812
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:17,000
break in nice and slowly.
Don't worry about this.

813
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,160
You know, everything's going to
be fine.

814
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:24,320
Well, you know, I'm like, OK.
And I was in there all of a

815
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,440
week, and there was a new
directive that came out of Salt

816
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,080
Lake where they're like, we need
to find all these inactive

817
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,320
families and find out where
they're at, right?

818
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,200
And so it all all of a sudden
that thing about, yeah, we're

819
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,960
going to break in nice and slow.
Went out the.

820
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,840
Window that went right out the
window, right?

821
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,680
And I remember there was this
one family.

822
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:48,800
They they were a Polynesian
family and I had tried knocking

823
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,840
their door probably six or seven
times set, I mean, just and to

824
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:56,080
no avail, right?
So finally a Monday night rolls

825
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,520
around, Packers are playing.
I'm like, OK, I'm strapping in.

826
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,880
This is what I do, right?
This is my downtime.

827
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,720
I'm going to order a pizza, I'm
going to eat a few wings and I'm

828
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:08,520
just going to watch the game.
And I'm sitting there and the

829
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,880
thought comes to my mind, you
should go.

830
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,360
You should go knock on that door
one more time.

831
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,560
I'm like, I hate knocking on
that door again.

832
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,080
I've tried that.
So I finally get to about half

833
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,680
time and it's just, it won't
leave.

834
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,640
It's just beating you up, right?
And I'm like, OK, fine, fine.

835
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,520
But I'll go do this.
And then you got to leave me

836
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:28,960
alone, right?
It's sort of a thing.

837
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,520
So I go and it's about 7:30 at
night.

838
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,600
I knock on the door and the dad
answers the phone and he's like,

839
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,560
I'm a big dude, but he made me
look like a tiny, tiny man,

840
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,040
right?
And he was not happy to see me.

841
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,760
Seth, I'm like, hey, my name's
Dave.

842
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,040
You know, I'm from the ward.
We're just reaching out to you,

843
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,200
see how you're doing, if there's
anything we can do for you.

844
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,840
And he literally goes, I don't
need nothing from you.

845
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,360
And it's starting to shut the
door.

846
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,720
And his wife says, don't be like
that, you know?

847
00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:59,720
And she's like, can can, you
know, just leave us your number.

848
00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:02,040
And if we ever need anything,
we'll, we'll give you a call.

849
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,040
I'm like, OK, so I'll give him
the number and the dad's like, I

850
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,720
can't wait for you to leave.
Like you got to go.

851
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,400
I'm like, OK, so you know I'm I
leave and like literally you can

852
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,320
tell that he was not happy I was
there.

853
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,080
And I remember I get back in the
car and I'm telling the Lord I'm

854
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,880
like, well, thanks, That was
time well spent.

855
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,520
I've missed half the third
quarter and the only thing I

856
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,800
managed to do was irritate a guy
way bigger than me.

857
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:29,600
Right.
Can't.

858
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:30,840
Thanks.
Thanks for that.

859
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:36,200
About a week and a half later,
I'm at work and I get a call

860
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,480
from a number I don't know.
And I pick it up and it's the

861
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,520
mom in this family and she is
crying.

862
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,640
She's like my husband left.
He took all the credit cards he

863
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,360
took, cleaned out the bank
account.

864
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,640
He didn't leave us anything.
And she goes, I don't know who

865
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,920
else to call, right?
And so I was able to get a hold

866
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,160
of Bishop, get the release
society in there to start

867
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,200
getting him getting some relief
to her.

868
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:05,240
And all of her kids ended up
becoming very active, served

869
00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:09,720
missions, the whole ball of wax.
Now, sometimes we don't know

870
00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:12,440
what that sacrifice will bring
forth, right?

871
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,680
And sometimes I think we have to
be like Adam a little bit and

872
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,400
just be like, I don't know why,
except you told me to do it

873
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,960
right, Because we don't know
what that's going to do.

874
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,200
No, it's an interesting pattern
because that's exactly right.

875
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,920
It seems to be how sacrifice
starts out is just with

876
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,480
obedience, like some beatings,
but just like, OK, God's

877
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,160
actually made the sacrifice.
But you touched on two kind of

878
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,320
important things that has hit me
over the last little while.

879
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:42,800
And like, my nature is I don't,
I, I, I tell my wife all the

880
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,360
time, it's like, I'm not a hand
holder, right?

881
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,800
Like, right, either you're gonna
ride with us or not.

882
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,920
You know what I'm saying?
Not to her, but just to other.

883
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,320
People, I'm the same way, dude.
Yeah, I know.

884
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,240
I'm just like, if you can't, if
you can't make it, you're like,

885
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:56,200
what do you want me to do?
Like I can invite you and help

886
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,720
you.
But anyways, it hit me kind of

887
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:01,000
that's not the right.
No, that's.

888
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,960
The right way to be, because
it's kind of the job of the

889
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,320
priesthood is to be hand holder
is to help.

890
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,840
And it's kind of it's kind of
what God says.

891
00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:11,120
I mean, this is a parable that
jumped out at me when I was

892
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,600
thinking because it's like, I
invite people to come to church

893
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,320
all day long, but that ain't
good enough.

894
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,080
According to Christ and his
directive.

895
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,200
He's like, no, go out to the
lost sheep.

896
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:21,760
You know what I'm saying?
You got to go find the lost

897
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,320
sheep.
So and he says, go even on our

898
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,840
DNC, go reclaim the backslider,
right?

899
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,880
Go check on them, Go see if they
need anything like seek them

900
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,720
out.
And my mentality is always just

901
00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:32,200
kind of like my natural
mentality is just like, Hey, I

902
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,560
invite them.
They know they're welcome.

903
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,200
Like I don't got time.
You know what I'm saying, right?

904
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,360
But then the other interesting
you, you, you touched on, which

905
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,760
is a huge because I don't think
people realize the the spiritual

906
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,360
battle that we're in, right?
Like there's war, there's forces

907
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,280
that are being waged upon us
that we can't see, but there's a

908
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,120
huge spirit of what do you want
to do, Dave?

909
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,160
Just going to say like, what,
what is it that you want to do?

910
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,480
And every time it'll always, I
mean, for me, I can't speak for

911
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,200
you, but I think most guys could
do it.

912
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,480
It's always just like, well,
what I want to do is, well, I

913
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,920
want to make, you know, go to
work, make some money for my

914
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,360
family, come home and watch the
game.

915
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:05,720
You know what I'm saying?
Spend time with my family.

916
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:09,400
That's what I want to do.
And the temptation is so strong

917
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,880
to just do what you want to do,
which is a life completely

918
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,800
absence of sacrifice because
we're only doing what we want to

919
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,640
do, which is which once again,
on the, the actual law of

920
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,640
sacrifice, I'm sacrificing my
time to go to work.

921
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,800
I get money.
So that side of it is, but

922
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,600
that's kind of without God.
That's what I'm saying.

923
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,560
It's a kind of a side trail
because there's a lot of

924
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,400
sacrifice that doesn't have
anything to do with God, But

925
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,680
there's also the sacrifice that
is like, not my will, but thy

926
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,680
will be done.
And I think everybody fights

927
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,720
with this is we all come to a
point where just like, well,

928
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:40,120
this is hard and what what do I
want?

929
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:41,640
And he said to myself, well,
this is what I want.

930
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,840
But The thing is, it's
interesting that we learn from

931
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,960
any, if you read anybody's story
is everybody always comes the

932
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,800
same conclusion.
You know, money don't make me

933
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,400
happy, this don't make me happy.
And whether they realize or not,

934
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,720
what always people share that
make them happy.

935
00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:59,240
And then the happiness they find
is by serving others saying 100%

936
00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:01,920
of the time there's like, hey,
this is where the happiness

937
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,040
life.
So it's like God's basically

938
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,480
saying sacrifice this and you
will be happy.

939
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,480
You know, go after your own
happiness and you'll be

940
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,280
miserable.
But sometimes right out the

941
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,160
gate, the sacrifice is hard to
see.

942
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,040
It just is something like you're
saying, because it's like, I

943
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,880
don't even know why I'm doing
this and I'm not seeing any

944
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,120
blessing from it in any way.
And just like your story

945
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,040
illustrated, sometimes it
happens later on.

946
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,440
So God sees things that we
don't.

947
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,560
So and then the other thing is
when you start thinking about,

948
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:31,000
you know what, what does Seth
want to do?

949
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,200
It's like, man, I don't want to
go to church.

950
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:33,760
I don't want to.
I don't even want to actually.

951
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,800
I love talking gospel so.
Right, right, I actually do.

952
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,280
Like doing this, although I got
them not true.

953
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,400
Yeah, although I got them the
only thing I can do.

954
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,960
But but still it is overwhelming
and and I just want to spend

955
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,840
time with my family.
I love watching movies.

956
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,640
I love watching whatever, you
know what I'm saying?

957
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,720
And but and I also like to work
and live a comfortable life.

958
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:57,480
So that's what I want to do.
But I know without a shadow of a

959
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:02,560
doubt that when I'm on my
deathbed, it's terrifying to

960
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,560
think that I lived a life just
doing what I wanted to do

961
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,440
because life is so short.
I never want to be on my

962
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,360
deathbed.
It's like I know I'll be full of

963
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,760
peace and not even scared a bit
if I've sacrificed, if I live to

964
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,800
sacrifice life for the Lord,
I'll be happy, full of joy

965
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,920
knowing that I just bless
everybody I could and did what I

966
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,520
need to do, fulfill the mission.
But if I have, if at the end of

967
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,840
my life I can look back and be
like, even though I didn't do

968
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,400
nothing wrong, right, I lived a
good life.

969
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:30,240
I just know for myself, I'm just
going to be like, man, I, I

970
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:33,200
didn't live.
I, I, I, I, I'm blacking like

971
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:34,920
it.
I can just know I'm scared of

972
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,800
death.
I'm like, I'm not ready to go

973
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,320
because why?
Well, I didn't follow my savior,

974
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,840
right, didn't live life of
sacrifice.

975
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:47,440
So it's quite sobering to me
when I put it in that aspect and

976
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,400
bringing it back to the to the
foundation.

977
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,760
I'm saying because we're talking
about living a life sacrifice,

978
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,800
but bringing it back to the
foundation of what somebody did

979
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:02,320
for us.
Like once you truly get the, the

980
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:07,040
grasp of of the Savior's love
for us and his almost

981
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,240
unconditional, I guess, like,
just like you're saying anytime

982
00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:14,200
you have a spirit that says, oh,
you've done too much, you've,

983
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,480
you've, you've fallen too far.
I can promise that's the spirit

984
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,800
of the devil.
He's just because God is never

985
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,560
saying you've fallen too far.
God is always saying try again.

986
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,000
You can do it.
Like I paid this.

987
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,840
I mean, I have to tell myself
sometimes that because when

988
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,120
you're so disappointed in
yourself, when you feel like

989
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,720
you've fallen and, and, and
you're just like, Dang it, I'm

990
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:35,120
so disappointed that I, you
know, tripped up in this again.

991
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,320
It just came to one time.
It's like Christ, like, why do

992
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,480
you think I died?
In other words, if you weren't

993
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,400
going to do this, I wouldn't
have to die stupid.

994
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,800
It's just funny.
It's just like, that's why I

995
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,240
died.
You know what I mean?

996
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:48,960
It's because I knew this was
going to happen.

997
00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:50,600
Now we definitely don't want to
abuse that.

998
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,560
And that's not what I'm saying
because there has to be

999
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,480
sincerity and heart, But
ultimately there would be no

1000
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,840
need for the savior to die if,
if you weren't going to screw up

1001
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:00,880
or I weren't going to screw up
like that.

1002
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,760
So every time you screw up, I'm
just like, that's, that's why he

1003
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,680
died.
And that's, that's, that's the,

1004
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,240
that love.
Once you get it, you're like, Oh

1005
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:10,640
my gosh, he, he actually loves
me.

1006
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,640
And basically there's a certain
amount of acceptance of just who

1007
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,080
you are.
And then that that love can

1008
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,440
motivate you to be like, I want
to be like you, man, You know

1009
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,280
what I'm saying?
So if you start on the proper

1010
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,960
foundation, it's, it's, it's out
of the abundance of the heart,

1011
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,520
you start wanting to live a
sacrificial life.

1012
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,640
And it's not a sacrifice.
I don't feel like a sacrifice if

1013
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,160
you start on the proper
foundation.

1014
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,120
Now, if you start on the
obligation side of things where

1015
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,200
you're just like, oh, I'm just
committed to live a, you know,

1016
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,400
give my life.
And it just feels like a burden.

1017
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,200
Well, it's just 'cause you
haven't started on the proper

1018
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,080
foundation.
And that's what, like I said,

1019
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,840
that's what I really feel like
that now God was saying that we

1020
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,960
need to bring out is start on
that foundation and then from

1021
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,280
then everything flows.
You know, I'm saying it flows

1022
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:55,040
out.
It's not a burden.

1023
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,960
It's not like a, it's just like
it's, yeah, it flows out.

1024
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,760
Yeah.
So it it as Joseph said, when

1025
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,280
you start right, it's easier to
go right if you start right.

1026
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,160
Yeah.
So no, that makes that makes

1027
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:08,960
perfect sense.
You know, you said a couple

1028
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:14,320
things in there that that I want
to address and, and about about

1029
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:18,840
being on our deathbeds, right?
There's two movies that come to

1030
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:24,040
mind with that.
One is Gladiator, right where

1031
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,280
where he's he's at the
beginning.

1032
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:27,720
It's at the beginning of the
movie.

1033
00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:30,960
He's talking to his troops and
he says what we do here echoes

1034
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,440
in eternity. 1. 100% and that's
100% true.

1035
00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:37,840
The other Have you ever seen
Schindler's List?

1036
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,560
Oh yeah.
Well, it's been, I shouldn't

1037
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:40,600
say.
Oh yeah, I've seen.

1038
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,360
That been a hot minute.
Yeah, it's.

1039
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:43,600
Been a minute, It's been a
minute, but.

1040
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,360
Yeah, yeah.
That last scene at the end, one

1041
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:51,960
of the last scenes where
Schindler is basically lamenting

1042
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,960
now this is a guy who built a
massive amount of wealth, right,

1043
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:59,480
and then literally buys Jews to
save them.

1044
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:05,120
Yeah, right.
And at the very end, he's given

1045
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,800
everything right.
There's a scene where where kind

1046
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,680
of his right hand man who was
Jewish a really good good with

1047
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,800
numbers and accounting.
He says you're you're broke.

1048
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:20,320
There's nothing else to give the
the allies are on their way.

1049
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,880
If you stick around, they're
going to assume that you were in

1050
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,520
on this till we can talk to him.
So you get out right?

1051
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:32,120
You you get out and it shows
them at the scene by the car and

1052
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:33,880
it's a power.
It's, it's probably one of the

1053
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,760
more powerful scenes in the
whole movie.

1054
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:44,000
And he comes walking out and his
people that he bought to save

1055
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:48,080
their lives are just standing
around him and just kind of

1056
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,160
loving on him.
But he still breaks down and

1057
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,120
cries.
And he says, I could have give

1058
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:54,960
Maura.
How many more could I have got

1059
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,400
for this car?
How many more could I have got

1060
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,040
for this suit?
How many more could I have got

1061
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,560
for this pin or this watch,
right?

1062
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,840
He just starts lamenting he
could have done more.

1063
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,400
And and we look at that and we
think, man, that's a guy who

1064
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,800
gave it all, right?
That's a guy who gave it all.

1065
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:16,720
And even him at the end is like
I should have given more.

1066
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,160
Well, it's interesting because I
mean, it seems quite obvious to

1067
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:23,360
me his, he had enough faith to
give that much.

1068
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,360
But then when he realized how it
all ended, I could have done

1069
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,320
more if I would have known there
was going to end Now, you know

1070
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:30,520
what I'm saying?
I could have done more.

1071
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,720
So so as I mean, not, but you
can see it's kind of the more

1072
00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:35,920
faith you have, the more you can
give.

1073
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,680
And I, that's actually a pretty
good, pretty good story of, of

1074
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,240
realizing when it all ends.
That's what that's when we get

1075
00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:46,840
our deathbeds and maybe at least
to the other side, we're we're

1076
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,560
going to see things.
We're like, oh, wow, I could, I

1077
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:49,840
could give more.
Yeah.

1078
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,320
We're kind of all holding back
because we don't truly, if we

1079
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,120
are holding back, I should.
But this way, if we are holding

1080
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,360
back, it's because we treat our
faith that that the gospel of

1081
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,760
living is actually true, right?
You know what I'm saying?

1082
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:00,920
Like there's some little bit of
doubt.

1083
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:06,760
And I think I think that's OK.
I think all of us, I, I mean,

1084
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,760
they're there.
You can't get around that.

1085
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,040
Faith is such a huge part of our
gospel.

1086
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,800
That's when I I, I, people spend
so much time trying to prove

1087
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,320
this and trying to prove that.
And and it's just like, look,

1088
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,840
you know, as at some point you
got to tell people I'm a

1089
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,160
believer.
I kind of like that, right.

1090
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,320
I believe, you know what I mean?
Like I can't prove every single

1091
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:25,280
thing.
I just believe.

1092
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,320
And I don't know why that's a
part of the gospel, but it is.

1093
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:32,560
And so, but still, it
illustrates that the more faith

1094
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,880
we have, the more we actually
can't do for the Kingdom of God.

1095
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,920
Yeah, absolutely.
The other thing I find

1096
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:43,320
interesting is that those two
those those two covenants,

1097
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,680
obedience and sacrifice are
given before priesthood's ever

1098
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,920
mentioned in the in the temple
ceremony.

1099
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:56,240
And I think especially for the
brethren, it needs to be

1100
00:55:56,240 --> 00:56:01,160
realized that living a
sacrificial life go hand in hand

1101
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:05,120
with priesthood service, right?
I always tried to impress all my

1102
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,040
boys as they were progressing,
right?

1103
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,440
Like, look, more is being asked
of you now.

1104
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:14,120
Well, what's that more?
Well, it's not, it's not only

1105
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,560
reading your scriptures.
It's not only going to your

1106
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:21,880
meetings.
It's serving other people and

1107
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,960
that's a huge thing.
I think that we as brethren have

1108
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,640
to remember who bear the
priesthood, right, is that these

1109
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,920
aren't things that are meant for
just self aggrandizement or

1110
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,400
status symbols.
This is a commitment to

1111
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,640
sacrifice.
This is a commitment that you're

1112
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,200
going to do the work of God,
right?

1113
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,240
Yeah, it's kind of what you're
saying it if you take the the

1114
00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:49,800
whole temple.
Well, it's I shouldn't say just

1115
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:54,320
the gospel, but it's just so
hard for me not to see to me

1116
00:56:54,320 --> 00:57:04,400
it's just glares in my face that
that baptism adopts you into the

1117
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,840
family of Christ.
He says all those who who except

1118
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,560
discuss whatever I will make my
sons and my daughter.

1119
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,200
So we have that in almost, I
believe all the scriptures, to

1120
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,480
be honest, restoration
Scriptures and and New Testament

1121
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,520
at least.
So you have what you talk about

1122
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,920
is you have, you have
essentially you're born into

1123
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,920
this family, but you start out
as as children, right?

1124
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,040
And that's where you start out
sacrifice of people of sacrifice

1125
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,080
for you, especially the savior.
But then what you're talking

1126
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:33,760
about, even even your, your old,
your older priesthood body

1127
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,160
should be sacrificed for the,
for the younger members and, and

1128
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:37,960
teaching them the the correct
way.

1129
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:43,360
And ultimately in any family,
you have a set of rules that you

1130
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,120
live by.
And I don't care how loving

1131
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:50,040
somebody is or how progressive
they are, I can promise them

1132
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,400
that if their own child crosses
certain lines, they're going to

1133
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:54,800
kick him out of the house.
You know what I'm saying?

1134
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,760
So it's like everybody has their
rules, you know, just depending

1135
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,960
on how LAX they are.
But some of your kid So and

1136
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,200
that's a correct I'm not I'm
supporter I'm not encouraging

1137
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:09,480
people to kick their kids out
the dishes you're out.

1138
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,720
But the point being is is it is
a correct principle that every

1139
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:17,040
house has a set of rules.
And if you if you realize what

1140
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,760
Christ is saying it's like now
you're my sons and my daughters

1141
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,280
and we get this that comes back
from I just find interesting.

1142
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,000
We just have a tradition that
literally comes from New

1143
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,960
Testament times.
It's like we stand up and and

1144
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,800
and good morning brothers and
sisters right.

1145
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:31,840
It's just like it's inherent in
a switch.

1146
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,240
It just comes in as because we,
if we don't consciously

1147
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,080
recognize that, we're
subconsciously recognize that

1148
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,480
we, we're all now one family,
We're Christ's family.

1149
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,360
But then when you, when you move
up, what you're saying is, is as

1150
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:49,560
you mature, that's when you're
ready to, to take on more.

1151
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,560
And that's kind of the temple is
like an official ceremony of

1152
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,520
basically saying, OK, I'm
calling you now, you, you were

1153
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,960
already you're, you're a child.
It's time for you to take the

1154
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,320
next step.
And actually you're, you're

1155
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,080
taught more of the rules of the
house.

1156
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:05,840
You know what I'm saying?
You're and it's kind of what

1157
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,280
you're saying because ultimately
is what there's no way around

1158
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:16,440
understanding priesthood is.
It is basically, I mean, it's

1159
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,360
kind of like you once again, I
don't want to get too dogmatic

1160
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,960
on one specific meeting, but
there's the element of it.

1161
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,640
It is like a cop or like a judge
in our judicial system.

1162
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,760
It's like I can't go give
someone a ticket, but a cop

1163
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:29,200
can't.
Why?

1164
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,200
Because we've given him that
authority when we reject him to

1165
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:36,680
do his job.
And but one of the worst

1166
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,840
problems the country has is when
the cops turn bad, right?

1167
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:40,920
And so it's the same with the
priesthood.

1168
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:45,160
So the worst, the worst things
that happens when priesthood

1169
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,120
turns bad, like when cops turn
bad because you've given him

1170
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,520
that authority.
But you can, you can either

1171
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,480
defund the police for you and
which is the equivalent of

1172
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,840
basically saying, Oh, I've seen
someone abuse a priesthood, so

1173
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,840
I'm no longer going to respect
priesthood authority.

1174
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,600
Or you can recognize we need to
actually do better at at

1175
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,920
teaching the police force,
holding those who are bad

1176
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,480
accountable and actually
teaching them.

1177
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,400
This is the way you're supposed
to conduct yourself, right?

1178
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:13,040
So when you're when you're going
to the temple, you're, you're

1179
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,320
essentially giving people
authority in the Lord's house

1180
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:21,040
and you're ready now to to
officiate and things, but only,

1181
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:25,440
only if.
If you abide by these rules, you

1182
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,760
know, I'm saying, and it's kind
of what you're laying out if you

1183
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,160
missed the concept of the
service aspect of it.

1184
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,120
It's the same with the with the
police force, if they missed it,

1185
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,720
that their servants to protect
and to help, you know, I'm

1186
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,600
saying govern the country and
make sure nothing bad's happened

1187
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,000
and to bless us when the judge
is to bless us with things we

1188
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,360
need and make sure we're having
good laws and good things, you

1189
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,120
know, I'm saying.
So I see so many similarities in

1190
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:56,640
the priesthood and half of the,
the, the the temple, like you're

1191
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:00,760
saying with your boys is to say,
Hey, you're, you're ready to do

1192
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:02,440
this.
You're ready to, to mature into

1193
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:06,560
this new authority.
Then you need to keep these.

1194
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,680
And it's funny because a lot of
people have a problem with the,

1195
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,000
the temple covenants.
You know, there it's like, oh,

1196
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,880
this or that, but I was thinking
about us.

1197
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,320
It's like if you bring, let's
say you bring a stranger in, in

1198
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,800
other words, if you can't keep
the temple covenants, you're

1199
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:21,360
kind of not a very good person,
right?

1200
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,600
Right.
So if I bring someone I don't

1201
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,000
know very well, which you should
know people pretty well that

1202
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,360
you're bringing in the gospel,
But still, it stands to reason

1203
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,040
the minimum I'm going to require
them of is, is for them

1204
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,320
themselves to say, I'm going to
live by these set of rules,

1205
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:36,640
right?
I mean, and I'm like, OK, if

1206
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,440
you, as long as you stay in
these parameters, then we can

1207
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:40,920
trust you.
You know, I'm saying, right.

1208
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:46,280
And so there's a certain amount
of of safety that it that it's

1209
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:50,080
putting in the, once again, the
family of God that you need to

1210
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,600
have.
So anyway, appreciate what you

1211
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,160
brought up.
No, no, it's.

1212
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:59,440
Looking at the priesthood as as
a service and not as a lordship,

1213
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,840
it has to be looked at, right?
Right.

1214
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:10,200
But it's like it's tricky
because if you don't honor the

1215
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,320
priesthood, then it can't do its
job.

1216
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:17,400
But if it's over honored, then
it becomes prideful.

1217
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,120
Well, exactly.
And and it can almost be what is

1218
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:26,840
it authority or authority
corrupts an absolute authority

1219
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:28,680
corrupts absolutely.
That's not right.

1220
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,880
No, no.
Is that is that the same power?

1221
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,920
Power corrupts.
But but it's the same principle.

1222
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:39,160
Right.
I always used to laugh because I

1223
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:45,320
think I've seen it almost not
all, but almost every ward or

1224
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,280
church or branch I've ever been
in.

1225
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:51,240
There's always the one guy,
right, who's like, oh, I'm

1226
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:55,120
aspire into this calling right?
And I'm going to do this, this

1227
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,440
and this.
And I'm like, oh Lord, please

1228
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,400
don't ever call that man to that
position, right, because it's

1229
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:06,360
going to be a horror show.
But it is true, right that that

1230
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,600
there there's two ways of
looking at priesthood and

1231
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,920
priesthood to tie this back to
sacrifice is all about serving,

1232
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:17,200
right?
And The thing is, is if we look

1233
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:21,440
at service, service can't be
rendered without some sort of

1234
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:25,080
sacrifice.
Someone said on on the party

1235
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:31,720
rendering the service right.
If we even look even God today,

1236
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,400
I believe still lives a
sacrificial life, right?

1237
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,680
Because if we look at what he
says in the Pearl of great

1238
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:42,240
price, this is my work and my
glory to bring capacity and

1239
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,520
mortality and eternal life of
man.

1240
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,360
That's a sacrificial existence,
right?

1241
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:53,600
Everything I do is for them.
And I think that's, that's what

1242
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,080
we're being invited to here a
little bit.

1243
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,600
And again, not being dogmatic
because there I, I think there

1244
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,320
are a lot of different layers to
this exactly.

1245
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:05,520
But, but I think, I think that's
a big part of what is trying to

1246
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:10,680
drive home to us is that this is
the what we're called to.

1247
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:12,920
Yeah.
Hold that though, I'll take a

1248
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:14,960
break.
Yeah, you bet we can take a

1249
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:16,040
break.
Not a big deal.

1250
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:22,400
We just left off talking about
how priesthood in itself and

1251
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,480
even God's life is a sacrificial
1.

1252
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:28,960
And I feel like we've laid out a
pretty good job of saying, OK,

1253
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:32,800
this is what it is.
Now if someone was just to take

1254
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:36,520
those words, they, they might be
like, well, why would I want to

1255
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,560
do this right?
I want to talk about some of the

1256
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:45,320
blessings we get as as we live
that sacrificial life for just a

1257
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,000
second.
What have you found as you've

1258
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:52,800
lived lived a life that's kind
of centered on sacrifice?

1259
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:57,440
Well, there's, I mean, right out
of the gate, I can just tell it

1260
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:01,200
for myself, which is why I kind
of shared contemplating my

1261
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:07,240
deathbed, which is how I like to
recenter myself because, you

1262
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:08,920
know, old people tell, you know,
don't blink.

1263
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,440
Life goes by like that.
And and I, I always believed

1264
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:12,680
them.
So it's not like it swims like,

1265
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:15,960
yeah, it's going by fast, but
right.

1266
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:23,600
So it always recenters me and I
I can see that my joy comes true

1267
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:29,440
joy comes from actually living a
life of sacrifice.

1268
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,760
But then even putting it kind of
I wanted to touch even what he

1269
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,840
said with God lives a law of
sacrifice.

1270
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,680
And why does he do it?
Well, because it brings him joy

1271
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:40,680
too.
But the interesting thing about

1272
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:45,760
joy is, is whenever you have the
greater potential for joy, you

1273
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,760
also have the greater potential
for pain and heartache.

1274
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:52,200
You know, it's just how it is.
So you don't get away.

1275
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:54,120
You can't really have one
without the other.

1276
01:05:54,200 --> 01:06:00,920
I remember I had a son that got
him Innopolis influenza or

1277
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:02,200
something.
I don't remember something like

1278
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,240
that.
Anyway, that the doctor, he

1279
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,600
stopped breathing.
I'll just touch on, I'm not

1280
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:10,080
going to go into the story, but
Long story short, they told me,

1281
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,640
hey, they're they the doctor
that night we brought him to the

1282
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,320
hospital.
He came that night and he was

1283
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,080
just like, it's not good,
whatever.

1284
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:17,200
And I was like, what do you mean
not good?

1285
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,000
Like, and he's like, he won't
make it through the night.

1286
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:23,600
And so, and we were, we ended up
being down there for five weeks.

1287
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:28,560
But anyways, I just remember the
pain I felt of thinking I was

1288
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,480
going to lose my son and that,
you know, they told me what

1289
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,080
under no certain terms, he's
going to die for about 5 days.

1290
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:38,920
So it's five days of, you know,
showing us the test and, and the

1291
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,080
pain I felt, I was like, why do
I even have kids?

1292
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,920
Like I could have avoid this if
I never would have had this kid,

1293
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:50,040
But guess what?
You, you, you, I could have

1294
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:55,560
never felt a joy either, right?
And so I like that's another

1295
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:59,120
thing that I find fascinating
about Mormon theology is, you

1296
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:02,240
know, in a Pearl great price for
talks about, you know, God wept

1297
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:06,240
when he saw and you know, and
that's kind of an attributes

1298
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,960
that's missing from a lot of the
other Christian faces that God

1299
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:14,760
actually he feels pain, he feels
sorrow, but he also feels joy.

1300
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,840
So he feels greater joy than we
could ever imagine.

1301
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,440
And that's kind of I think why
he sacrifices.

1302
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:24,880
There's no greater joy than how
we are to see our own kids and

1303
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:31,280
sacrifice for them.
Like that's, that's that's what

1304
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:35,440
gives life purpose and meaning.
And and I think existence is to

1305
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:40,680
bring bring them up.
And so why live a life of

1306
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:44,440
sacrifice ultimately, because
that's what brings you ultimate

1307
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,240
joy.
And I think all the way up to to

1308
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:50,680
God, still living a life of
sacrifice because I find it

1309
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,040
funny.
I have to, I have to touch on

1310
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:58,840
this tangent because it's kind
of relevant is so there's a lot

1311
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:04,440
of criticism against the idea
that we have that we can become

1312
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:06,360
everything God is.
You know what I think?

1313
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:11,000
And it's like, oh, it's like
somehow they act like that

1314
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,600
you're taking on or from God and
putting it up on yourself.

1315
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,760
If you, if you even believe that
is your potential.

1316
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,760
And yet I think about my own
kids and I think, how could

1317
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:26,000
they, how could my son, let's
just say, hypothetically have

1318
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,120
one son, How could he dishonor
me the most?

1319
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,120
And it's like, I think about
it's like, well, if he never got

1320
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,640
married and he never gave me any
grandkids, I'll be like

1321
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:35,479
devastated.
Like that's the end of me.

1322
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:39,120
You know what I'm saying?
Like that's so, so I want my son

1323
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:41,439
to be everything I am.
Like I don't know why

1324
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,160
instinctively, I think that's
kind of the God seed in this is

1325
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,120
like we as a father.
It's like you want your son to

1326
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,760
be everything you had any any
sorrow that you feel, you hope

1327
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:53,640
they don't feel besides, you
know, to help them grow.

1328
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:55,560
But even then it's just like you
want to protect them any sorrow

1329
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:57,439
and you want to give them every
happiness you've ever.

1330
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:59,760
And it's like, that's one of my
biggest stresses.

1331
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:03,640
Like, and I hope that I hope my
kids cannot experience the

1332
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,279
sorrows I felt, but also
experience the happiness I felt.

1333
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:09,920
But that's kind of a it's kind
of a silly thing because like I

1334
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:13,279
says, you can't experience the
happiness without painful for

1335
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:20,560
the sorrow.
So I want my son to be

1336
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,439
everything I had.
And it's interesting because I

1337
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:26,640
put it like this.
Let's say my dad, my dad had had

1338
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:31,479
a pretty damn big family, right?
And and if I want to have as

1339
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:34,040
many kids, let's just say I'm
trying to outdo my dad, right,

1340
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:35,560
right.
That's the mentality that people

1341
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,760
are like, Oh, you guys are just
trying to be greater than.

1342
01:09:38,279 --> 01:09:42,520
Right.
It's if I wanted to outdo my

1343
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,279
dad, I'd have to.
I could have more kids than him,

1344
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,720
but by having more kids than
him, I've given him more

1345
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,520
grandkids so that my, my kids
would have to have more

1346
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,840
grandkids, but then he would
have more great grandkids than

1347
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:56,440
me.
So you can't, we can never

1348
01:09:56,440 --> 01:09:58,840
surpass our God.
We can only build him up if we,

1349
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:01,600
if it's structured in the
family, the way the family order

1350
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:06,600
is, then anything that we do,
we're only building him up and

1351
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,480
everything.
So every, that's a beautiful

1352
01:10:09,480 --> 01:10:10,920
thing about God's sacrifice,
right?

1353
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:16,280
Every sacrifice we make, if it's
according to God's plan, is

1354
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:18,880
calculated to only build you up.
Now that don't mean it's not a

1355
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:23,360
sacrifice, but it, it, it by
lifting others, it lifts you.

1356
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,400
And Joseph Smith, that's what
Joseph says, you know, self

1357
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:27,000
antigrisement.
It's a correct principle as long

1358
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,720
as you're taking those below you
to raise them.

1359
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,960
And it's like that, that that's
the principle of a father.

1360
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:36,080
You know what I mean?
Like I can, if I give my, my

1361
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:41,000
father, you know, hundreds of
grandkids, I'm building him up

1362
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:42,440
as well as I'm building myself
up.

1363
01:10:42,440 --> 01:10:46,600
And that's the, that's the
proper way of, of, of building

1364
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:49,080
God's Kingdom.
Now what, what Satan tries to do

1365
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:53,320
is he tries to steal, kill and
destroy or he's, he's taking

1366
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:57,280
other people's sings.
So if you, if you're, if you're

1367
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,960
sacrificing the way God wants,
then it's only blessing you, you

1368
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,440
know what I'm saying?
So in in the end, it's kind of a

1369
01:11:04,440 --> 01:11:07,360
no brainer, but I don't want
people to get the illusion

1370
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:13,360
because there is also another
tendency to say that, oh, this

1371
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:15,240
is hard.
It must not be what God wants.

1372
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:20,360
And I always think, well, I, I
Can you imagine if Christ, our

1373
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,680
perfect example, said that, Oh,
father, this bitter cup, and

1374
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:26,360
this is hard.
It must not be right.

1375
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,440
So I'm not going to do it.
But what he said is it, if there

1376
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,360
is there another way like this
is Dang hard.

1377
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,520
Nevertheless, once again, that
obedience, that surrender thy

1378
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,040
will be done.
And so we should never just

1379
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:41,200
assume because something's hard,
that it's something that God

1380
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:44,640
doesn't want you to do.
But then I also believe in what

1381
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:49,760
Joe Smith says.
What I say about it's the man is

1382
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,280
that he might have joy, you know
what I'm saying?

1383
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,960
Like so.
But joy is different than just

1384
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:56,640
being happier, you know what I'm
saying?

1385
01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:03,200
Joy is a deeper, richer thing.
And a lot of times that joy

1386
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:07,240
comes after the sacrifice.
The blessing comes after the

1387
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:08,560
sacrifice, you know what I'm
saying?

1388
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:14,120
And so absolutely there was a,
there was an old lady first,

1389
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:20,680
first, first word.
I, I joined as a Mormon and I

1390
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:23,880
will mention her name because
she deserves to have her name

1391
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,040
mentioned.
Her name was Norma Jacks.

1392
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:33,080
And this woman had lived the
very definition of a Christ

1393
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:39,000
life, life, a Christ like life.
I mean, she sacrificed over and

1394
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:44,200
over and over.
So she marries a man who's not a

1395
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,680
member, still a good guy.
He ends up becoming a Mormon.

1396
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,040
They go to the temple, they're
sealed.

1397
01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:53,000
They can't have any kids of
their own.

1398
01:12:53,000 --> 01:13:00,320
So they adopt.
And eventually he passes from a

1399
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:04,440
car crash.
And then some of her kids kind

1400
01:13:04,440 --> 01:13:07,600
of fall on some rougher times.
And she has to now raise her

1401
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:11,680
grandkids solo after raising her
kids after he passes.

1402
01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:18,560
And she was, no matter how busy
she was, she was always like,

1403
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,040
what else can I do to help,
right?

1404
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:24,240
Yeah.
But that woman was full of joy.

1405
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:26,680
Yeah, right.
And I remember you know them.

1406
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:28,200
If you know the characters, you
see it.

1407
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:32,280
Yeah, and, and, and I remember
thinking, oh, I'm kind of a

1408
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:35,120
piece of crap, right?
Like, because, because, like

1409
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:39,480
she's outdoing me and in in
every way possible, right.

1410
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:45,160
And she was just one of those
people who had figured it out,

1411
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:47,920
right.
And I remember she gave a talk

1412
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:51,960
once and she she had talked
about, well, how do we get out

1413
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:56,000
of our, our because we all go
through really tough times,

1414
01:13:56,120 --> 01:14:01,400
right?
And that's, that's the nature of

1415
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:04,600
this fallen world, right?
That's where we're going to, to

1416
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:07,640
receive a lot of our lessons.
That's where we're going to have

1417
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:10,320
most of our personal growth is
through those tough times.

1418
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,200
And so she was given a talk on
how to deal with those tough

1419
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:17,440
times or those darker times in
life when they come.

1420
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:23,600
And one of the most profound
things I'd ever heard is go help

1421
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:25,640
someone else and forget about
yourself for a minute.

1422
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:34,480
And I was like, oh, and so I, I,
I applied that right?

1423
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,560
For, for, you know, a good
solid.

1424
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:39,400
And it's something I continue to
work towards.

1425
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:44,480
I'm by no means perfect at it,
but in those moments where I

1426
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:49,600
have found myself in a dark
place or whatever, just go serve

1427
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,720
somebody else, right?
Don't worry about what you're

1428
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:55,600
going through.
Go serve somebody else, right?

1429
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:59,480
Make a sacrifice.
And then what's interesting is

1430
01:14:59,480 --> 01:15:03,520
that usually when you're done
with that, a couple things have

1431
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:06,080
usually happen.
Not always, but usually you

1432
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:09,040
either gain perspective on your
situation, right?

1433
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:13,320
Like, OK, so yeah, this is
tough, but I think I can do XY

1434
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:18,440
and Z to to help.
Or sometimes the problem even

1435
01:15:18,440 --> 01:15:27,240
resolves itself, right?
I remember once Amber and I had

1436
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:29,120
been kind of bickering back and
forth, right?

1437
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,280
And I just said, you know what?
I I got stuff to you.

1438
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,520
I got to go and I had to go to
go do some church service.

1439
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:40,280
And I remember while I was gone,
I was like, yeah, I was probably

1440
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:43,640
kind of a kind of a butt head in
that situation.

1441
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:46,920
I got some things I got to
repent of there and I got home.

1442
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:50,040
And by the time I got home,
everything was different.

1443
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:53,280
The the the spirit had changed
in the home, right?

1444
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:56,840
And I think that was mainly for
two reasons.

1445
01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:00,200
I got out of her hair.
And then also also, you know,

1446
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:03,600
there was this idea that I was
in a softer place now, right?

1447
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:07,720
I'd serve somebody else.
And my heart wasn't where it was

1448
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:10,960
just a few hours before.
And so I think getting out of

1449
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:14,400
our own heads, so to speak.
And I've wondered about that as

1450
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:17,840
I've looked at the younger
generation just below us, Seth,

1451
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:22,040
is that they seem to be riddled
a lot of them with anxieties,

1452
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:24,960
with concerns, with worries,
right.

1453
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:26,840
And I've often just sat back and
wondered.

1454
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:32,120
I'm like, I don't find it odd
that it's it's the same

1455
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:35,000
generation that's super anxious,
that's super worried all the

1456
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:37,840
time is also the generation of
the selfie.

1457
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:39,200
Yep, exactly.
Right.

1458
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:45,440
It's all turned inward, right?
And the the the answer to that

1459
01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:47,840
sometimes is to look outward,
right?

1460
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,720
You remind me of what Jordan
Peterson said, he said.

1461
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,760
You know, we're trained.
He said, I can tell how

1462
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,440
depressed somebody is within the
1st 10 minutes of talking to him

1463
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:00,480
on this one thing.
And that is how much they talk

1464
01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:02,120
about themselves and their
problems.

1465
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:03,840
And he's like, those are
depressed people every time.

1466
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,040
I doubt how depressed they are
by how much they focus on

1467
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:07,680
themselves.
And then the people that are

1468
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:11,360
focusing on other, other people
are happy and not depressed.

1469
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:16,000
So it's, it's crazy, but it's
almost like, it's almost like

1470
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,160
God knows, knows this and he's
trying to give us little keys of

1471
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,200
how we can be happy and how we
can find joy.

1472
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:26,240
And what I kind of brought up is
I know, I know for myself, I'm

1473
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:33,920
going to feel kind of like when
you die and it's almost, I know

1474
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,440
my instinct is going to be like,
why didn't somebody tell this?

1475
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,120
And then I'm going to be like,
oh, you know, you did, you know

1476
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:41,480
what I'm saying?
It's like the whole gospel over

1477
01:17:41,480 --> 01:17:44,520
and over say these things, you
know, and it's it's almost like

1478
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:47,320
mathematical formulas.
There almost are like laws that

1479
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:49,880
you live a certain you know what
I mean, and XX equals Y, you

1480
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,080
know what I'm saying, whatever.
So.

1481
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:54,920
You've you've heard of the
analogy of the vicious circle,

1482
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:58,640
right?
This is kind of that, only I

1483
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,120
wouldn't use the word vicious.
I would call it, you know, the

1484
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:06,640
circle, the happiness, right, is
that you get if you get too self

1485
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:09,680
absorbed in your problems and
then you go serve somebody else,

1486
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:12,360
then you're going to bless their
lives and then you're going to

1487
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:14,480
be blessed.
And it just keeps going around,

1488
01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:15,680
right?
Oh, no, I see.

1489
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:17,560
This like it's plain as day in
my marriage.

1490
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,440
It's I, I called the positive
cycle or negative cycle, right?

1491
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:24,320
It's like you can get caught on.
Well, if, if she would do this

1492
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:26,120
and I would do this and then
she's just like, well, if you do

1493
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:28,000
this and I would do this and
it's like negative, negative,

1494
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:30,760
negative, right?
Or you know what I'm saying, you

1495
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:33,000
can look inward and be like, you
know what?

1496
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:37,640
If I did this, then then she
would do this and then she's

1497
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:39,640
just like, well, you know, if
you did that, then I'll do that,

1498
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:42,760
you know, So even just even just
thinking out in your head, much

1499
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:47,120
less doing it.
But that's one thing that I

1500
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:50,760
think is I, I'm really hard on
the guys when it comes to that

1501
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:53,000
aspect of it because it's like
you're, you're the leader,

1502
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,040
you're the head.
And my wife uses on that hate

1503
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:56,720
it, but she's right every time.
She's just like, well, you're

1504
01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:01,560
the leader lead because the
instant is, is, you know, well,

1505
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:05,160
I'm tired of saying sorry.
You say sorry first, sorry first

1506
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:07,040
the 100 times.
But it's interesting if you

1507
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:10,880
change the, the tone and I think
a lot of it, there's a spiritual

1508
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,640
component to it too.
But it, you know, it's

1509
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,760
interesting.
This, this ties right back to

1510
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:21,840
sacrifice, because I can tell
you that the principle of the

1511
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:26,880
baptism of laying the old self
down and coming up new sometimes

1512
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:31,440
in your relationships, when you
get in a, in a in a spiral and

1513
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:36,600
there's no way out besides,
like, you know what, let's just

1514
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:38,840
bury that guy.
You forgive me, I'll forgive

1515
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:40,200
you.
Can we just start new?

1516
01:19:40,440 --> 01:19:43,160
And it's like that principle of
baptism of sacrifice, laying the

1517
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,560
old.
And I'm telling you, if anybody,

1518
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:51,520
maybe I'm just extra hard headed
or extra whatever, but but to me

1519
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:55,240
it feels like a death like
because I'm like I have, I'm I'm

1520
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:58,560
holding my honor, my pride, my
whatever.

1521
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:00,720
And it's just like, and I'm
right, you know what I'm saying?

1522
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:05,800
Because and it doesn't matter
that that egotistic person that

1523
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,840
you've become, even though you
may be right, you're wrong

1524
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:12,360
because of and it's like the
more you try to salvage that

1525
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:15,840
with your partner.
And the more you try to keep

1526
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:18,400
that guy alive, it's just going
to be a vicious cycle, the

1527
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,520
fastest way to get out.
That vicious cycle, which I

1528
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:22,920
think it's your story
illustrates as you got out and

1529
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:26,040
you just the old guy, the old
Dave left.

1530
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:29,720
You came back a new Dave, Yes,
which is another interesting

1531
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:31,680
thing.
Dude, we're synced up on this.

1532
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:35,720
Go ahead.
Well, that's why forgiveness is

1533
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:39,200
so important, right?
Because if, if you're what if

1534
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:42,680
Dave comes home and his wife and
your wife just like, oh, I

1535
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:45,240
remember who you are and I'm
not, I'm still holding on to

1536
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:49,640
then then you can't repent
because like, if my wife won't

1537
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:51,800
forgive me, then she's just
like, Nope, I'm not going to let

1538
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:53,920
you sacrifice that old guy.
Like I'm holding you to it.

1539
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:57,760
That's who you are.
Then you're just like, hey, we

1540
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:01,560
can't move forward.
So, so you can see how in any

1541
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:04,960
relationship, if, if both, if
you ain't wearing, if the one

1542
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:07,920
party, if you ain't both ain't
willing to sacrifice and

1543
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:10,640
forgive, you can't move forward.
So it's like these eternal

1544
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:15,120
principles of let's not hold
each other at our worst.

1545
01:21:15,480 --> 01:21:18,600
Let's say no, if you're willing
to repent and sacrifice, I'll

1546
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,200
let you let's start clean slate.
It's so important to start clean

1547
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:24,480
slate.
Don't try to salvage that guy.

1548
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:26,000
Don't don't even try to save
him.

1549
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,840
Just put him in the grave and
come up a new person.

1550
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:31,560
Dude, we're synced up on that
because that's one point I did

1551
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:38,720
want to hit is that in order to
grow, to become as God is right,

1552
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:43,640
to be Co heirs with Christ, we
have to constantly die and be

1553
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:45,320
reborn.
We have to be willing to

1554
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:48,240
sacrifice, which is who we are
in that moment.

1555
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:50,800
Which is essentially just
humility, right is another

1556
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:51,520
thing.
That's what I'm saying.

1557
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,680
When we die, I'm like, man, my
life was miserable.

1558
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:55,640
Why would and it's like, well,
did you know about sacrifice?

1559
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:57,520
Did you know about humility?
I like and it's like, why didn't

1560
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,480
somebody tell me these things?
Just like, well, that I can I

1561
01:21:59,480 --> 01:22:01,640
can justify right now today.
They absolutely work you.

1562
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:05,600
Know what I'm?
Saying it's it's like pride will

1563
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,240
not let you lay down anything.
Humility is like, you know what

1564
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,400
I'm going to it's I'm going to
forgive you, I'm going to start

1565
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:15,200
over.
And these keys, they absolutely

1566
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:18,000
work.
And anyway.

1567
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:24,560
Yeah, I I remember when in in my
conversion process, which

1568
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:28,040
actually starts before I ever
make contact with the

1569
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:32,800
missionaries, I remember there
was a moment of clarity, right,

1570
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,960
where I looked in the mirror and
I went, yeah, you're kind of a

1571
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,200
dirtbag, right?
Like if, if we're going to be

1572
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:43,040
real honest here, what I didn't
realize that was, is that was

1573
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:47,280
preparation to allow the old me
to die, right.

1574
01:22:48,440 --> 01:22:51,680
And I do think that that that
ties back into that law of

1575
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:54,040
sacrifice because we all have
them, right?

1576
01:22:54,040 --> 01:23:01,440
We all have our pet vices or our
pet sins, so to speak, right?

1577
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:03,520
Are you willing to put those on
the altar?

1578
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:08,640
Are you willing to put yourself
on the altar and surrender your

1579
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:09,800
own will?
Right?

1580
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:12,240
That's, that's the other thing,
right?

1581
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:15,480
When we start talking about
this, we start getting into the

1582
01:23:15,480 --> 01:23:18,920
one thing that we can truly
sacrifice.

1583
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:23,520
That's ours, right?
My, my, the place I live, the

1584
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:28,320
car that I drive, the, the, the,
the, the very food that I eat.

1585
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:32,760
That's all provided to me
through the good grace of God,

1586
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:36,200
right and, and in conjunction
with my own laborers.

1587
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:38,960
But those things can go away in
a heartbeat.

1588
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:44,160
The one thing that can never go
away and the one thing God will

1589
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:48,040
not encroach upon is our own
free will that has to be

1590
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:53,360
sacrificed willingly and, and in
growth.

1591
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:56,680
You have to be willing to put
yourself on the altar like that.

1592
01:23:56,680 --> 01:24:00,800
Let the old man pass away and
come back again at someone

1593
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:04,040
different, and at some point
he's going to have to be laid

1594
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:07,680
aside as well so that you can
again come forward through

1595
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,040
sacrifice as someone else.
Yeah.

1596
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:13,880
Oh, it's interesting because
it's kind of what I said because

1597
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:17,760
I am a huge when I, when I was
bringing out, I'm the hardest on

1598
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:22,160
the guys because it's just like.
And once again, a disclaimer to

1599
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:24,800
my wife's, I know I hate it when
you use this on me.

1600
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:28,560
You know, it even makes that
pride guy stand up harder, you

1601
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:32,240
know, just like, but it's
interesting how God structures

1602
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:35,280
the family and, and, and people
are, are meddling with this and

1603
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:36,560
they don't realize what they're
doing.

1604
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:39,240
But how God structures your
family, you can't get more

1605
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:45,600
beautiful because it's kind of
like, it's kind of like, well,

1606
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,080
it's kind of what I'm saying
without obedience, you can't

1607
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:55,400
teach a child.
And if the man, the head of the

1608
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:57,000
family, he can't protect his
family.

1609
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:02,280
In other words, I just can't, I,
I can't if, if, if I'm in charge

1610
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:05,200
of it's OK, The Secret Service
gets this right.

1611
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:07,000
In other words, the president
has to do what they say.

1612
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:08,680
They're in charge of his
security.

1613
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,120
So what they say, we're going in
that building.

1614
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:13,720
He's like, all right, And he's
the president of the United

1615
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:17,800
States, right, Right.
So it's the same with instinct

1616
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,000
with man, with our, with our job
descriptions.

1617
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:25,720
It's like it's our job to, to be
the head of the family and we

1618
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:28,320
have to logically to, to protect
our family.

1619
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:31,960
If I say get down, I don't want
all my kids and my wife's being

1620
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:34,120
like, what?
Let's just say in the 1800s, I'm

1621
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:36,040
like, get down, you know, the
arrows coming or something.

1622
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:37,720
And they're just like, what?
No, why are you telling me to

1623
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:38,640
get down?
You know what I'm saying?

1624
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:40,560
It's like you can't protect
someone that won't listen to

1625
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:42,840
you.
And instinctively, I think every

1626
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:46,120
man knows this.
Every man has that built in

1627
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,680
desire to protect his family
just in US.

1628
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:50,760
That's like we're built to
defend, you know what I mean?

1629
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:53,920
And that's why we're we, that's
why men are more aggressive.

1630
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:57,000
And we, we, you don't want a man
that's so passive.

1631
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:58,960
You can't defend his family.
Like you need to be able to be

1632
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:00,800
like, I'm angry right now.
You know what I'm saying?

1633
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:02,960
Because it's and even God, it's
interesting.

1634
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,440
He says, I candled my anger and
I find out myself.

1635
01:26:05,440 --> 01:26:10,000
I can when I'm, when I, when
you're close to the spirit, you

1636
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:12,680
do, you have to either candle
your anger or you can bring it

1637
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:17,000
down, depending on right.
And so if I'm in traffic and

1638
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,720
someone cuts me off like we're
so upside down in the world,

1639
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:21,800
that shouldn't be like, I'm so
pissed you cut me off.

1640
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:23,680
You know, I'm saying it's like,
that's not a time to kindle your

1641
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:25,360
anger.
You know, that's a time to be

1642
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:26,240
like, you know, let's bring it
down.

1643
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:28,640
I'm in control.
But if somebody's abusing a kid

1644
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:30,760
or something, you know, I mean,
or a woman on the street, like

1645
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:34,080
you should be pissed because I
mean, you need to kindle that

1646
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:35,560
angle because that moves you to
action.

1647
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:39,640
Like so every emotion has a
purpose and you see God doing

1648
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:44,040
this in himself.
So, but we're built to, you

1649
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:46,720
know, the, the women are
naturally more nurturing.

1650
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:48,960
We're built to to defend the
family.

1651
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:51,760
But I love how it is we had a
thing when we were growing up

1652
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:56,000
that whoever broke the cookie,
right, your siblings, well,

1653
01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:58,280
whoever broke it, the other
person gets to choose.

1654
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:00,080
You know what I'm saying?
If you're the one in charge of

1655
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,720
breaking the cookie, you, you
did as possible because if it

1656
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:05,440
was bigger, they would always
take the bigger half.

1657
01:27:05,440 --> 01:27:07,080
So, you know, that's just kind
of the rule.

1658
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:10,440
And I realize I see that God set
set up in the family.

1659
01:27:10,440 --> 01:27:12,920
He's like, OK, the, the, the
man's job is to break the

1660
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,320
cookie, but the woman gets to
choose in the end.

1661
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:17,600
And our ordinances all point to
that.

1662
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:21,040
And the only way that your your
woman is actually going to

1663
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:23,720
choose you in the end is if you
do what Paul and Joe Smith says.

1664
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:28,920
Husbands love your wives.
Wives submit to your husbands.

1665
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:30,400
Oh, it says wives submit to your
husbands.

1666
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:33,120
Husbands love your wives even as
Christ loved the church that he

1667
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:35,640
gave his very life forth.
So I can promise you if your

1668
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:39,440
wife knows that you're putting
them first.

1669
01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:41,080
Exactly.
I'm just like, well, you know,

1670
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:43,840
do I want a new truck or am I
going to put my wife first?

1671
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,360
Now we live in a spoiled
generation.

1672
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:48,880
So yeah, sometimes wives have
everything upside down and

1673
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:50,280
that's up for each person to
decide.

1674
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:59,640
But if your wife is convinced
that that that you got her

1675
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,760
well-being first, that you would
lay down your life for her just

1676
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:04,640
like he says, then she is going
to choose you.

1677
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:10,640
So you're given dominion, so to
speak, or or responsibility to

1678
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:12,920
lead.
But in the end, she gets to

1679
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:14,880
choose.
So you better lead in a way that

1680
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:17,600
they trust you.
I tell you that's that's so.

1681
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:19,840
You know, I love the way it got
structured, but it's funny, like

1682
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:24,600
the woman liberals, I see it
that somebody just mentioned to

1683
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:26,760
me the other day.
They're just like, you know,

1684
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:30,600
well, the so we have that.
We have one of our highest well,

1685
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:33,680
one of ours.
It's the highest ordinance and

1686
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,640
and it's what married A to
Christ, right.

1687
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:38,960
So that made it that makes it
into restoration.

1688
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:40,280
Interesting.
It does.

1689
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:44,720
It's the very last thing that
takes place from in the mortal

1690
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:50,280
realm, so to speak.
And I heard somebody, I'm just

1691
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:53,280
going to say kind of caught up
on the woman liberal tangent is

1692
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:55,080
they're just like, well, we have
that backwards.

1693
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:56,400
The man should be watching one's
field.

1694
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:57,680
So you don't know what you're
doing there.

1695
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:01,640
No, you, you just change the
ordinance and and to you, to the

1696
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:02,840
mortal mind, you're just like,
see that?

1697
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:05,800
That's the man serving the that
like he should honor her.

1698
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:09,280
She was like, you literally just
put him in power.

1699
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:10,560
Now.
Now he's choosing her.

1700
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:12,280
You know what I'm saying?
And that's not how the ordinance

1701
01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:13,640
is.
She has to choose him.

1702
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:18,720
The Satan detwist things and
then you don't even realize what

1703
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:20,280
you're doing.
You change the ordinance and

1704
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:21,720
it's going to have.
Negative.

1705
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:24,680
Kind of negative consequences.
So it's like we really need to

1706
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:28,480
understand things before because
the the the way that God

1707
01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:32,040
structured things like you
remove one piece and it all

1708
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:34,440
comes down right.
He's got it structured in a way

1709
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:36,640
that it all one built upon
another.

1710
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:39,000
And if you remove one of those
pieces, it turns bad.

1711
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:40,120
It can turn bad.
Yep.

1712
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:43,280
So man being in the head and
then the end you're, you're

1713
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:45,200
upset with the man being in the
head and that's his

1714
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:47,400
responsibility.
And so you try to remove that

1715
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:49,320
piece and make the woman more
equal.

1716
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:52,200
Well, it's what you did is then
you took away her power.

1717
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:54,280
Yeah.
Symbolically at least.

1718
01:29:54,440 --> 01:29:56,160
Absolutely.
And you don't even realize what

1719
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:58,200
you've done.
And so then God's just like,

1720
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:00,440
well, that's really lopsided
now, because now any man can

1721
01:30:00,440 --> 01:30:02,120
break the cookie.
You know, he can give her the

1722
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:03,920
smallest crumb and she can't do
anything about it.

1723
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:06,440
Yep.
That's the men need to realize

1724
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:09,360
she gets to choose.
So think about think about that

1725
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:10,640
when you're governing your
family.

1726
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:12,800
That's that's exactly right,
Seth.

1727
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:19,120
And lately I've been, I've been
kind of going down the road of a

1728
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:23,120
lot of the things that that we
see come up that are biting us

1729
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:26,920
in Mormonism today are
unintended consequences, right?

1730
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:30,440
I'm, I'm a believer.
I think there's a few, got a few

1731
01:30:30,440 --> 01:30:33,200
people out there this way.
But by and large, I don't think

1732
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:36,960
most people are like, what can I
do to make the Lord's program

1733
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:38,920
worse, right?
I don't think that's what

1734
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:40,120
they're doing, right?
Never.

1735
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:43,240
I think they're like, how can we
make this better?

1736
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:44,240
100%.
Right.

1737
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:47,520
But the problem is, is that you
don't think about the unintended

1738
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:51,040
consequence that you you have to
chase down the road, right?

1739
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:53,360
And just like you were pointing
out, which is a beautiful

1740
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:57,120
analogy of that, is that by
trying to make it better, you

1741
01:30:57,120 --> 01:31:00,680
made it you, you, you made
something that was beautiful and

1742
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:03,720
nobling equalizing in a lot of
ways.

1743
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:08,600
And you've turned it back on its
head back to, you know, 5th

1744
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:11,880
century Christianity where Eve
is the cause of all of our

1745
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:15,200
problems, right?
And, and it's, it's those kind

1746
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:18,080
of unintended consequences I
think we have to be careful of.

1747
01:31:18,480 --> 01:31:20,960
And certainly this would come
into the realm of trying to

1748
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:26,360
short circuit sacrifice, right?
It's it's a necessary part.

1749
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:29,680
Well, that that was when you
talk about, you know, what are

1750
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:31,640
the blessings of living a law of
sacrifice?

1751
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:34,320
Well, I'll tell you what the
blessings are as you get your,

1752
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:36,840
your family will accuse you at
the end if you honestly do.

1753
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:39,840
And it doesn't matter how much
they don't see it at the moment

1754
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:41,600
if you're, if you're honestly
living.

1755
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:46,440
Because here's The thing is we
can deceive ourselves.

1756
01:31:46,440 --> 01:31:48,480
So we need to be, we need to be
aware of that.

1757
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:51,920
Be honest with yourself.
And only I know if I'm actually

1758
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:54,320
sacrificing or if I'm so it's
interesting.

1759
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:56,240
Not even my wife's can actually
tell me.

1760
01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:58,440
Well, you need to sacrifice like
that's not, that's kind of

1761
01:31:58,440 --> 01:32:00,560
sacred ground, right?
So we get to tell each other to

1762
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:02,600
do our jobs.
I'm not saying that you can't

1763
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:05,360
encourage each other and and
kind of hold each other

1764
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:08,280
accountable, because I think all
of us are kind of lazy seeing

1765
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:14,560
that kind of our job is to like,
hey, but still only I truly know

1766
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:17,720
what I need to do.
But but but my testimony is if

1767
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:20,560
I'm truly honest with myself and
I'm and I'm wedding out, even

1768
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:25,320
the deceptions of myself, if my
family doesn't see it, but I'm

1769
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:28,120
honest, they will.
We're 100% if not in this life,

1770
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:30,240
the next life, they'll always
come back and be like, Oh my

1771
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:33,040
gosh, you know, I see what he
was doing now.

1772
01:32:33,480 --> 01:32:38,040
And so we, so we can deceive
ourselves and we may be able to

1773
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:40,280
deceive, deceive others for a
time.

1774
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:45,160
But the benefit of living a lot
of sacrifice honestly to your

1775
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:48,920
conscience is you get the
ultimate reward.

1776
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:55,800
And the ultimate reward is, is
what we'd like to call an

1777
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:59,200
eternal increase our families
sealed together.

1778
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:04,520
And you know, it's interesting
because to become it's like, I

1779
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:10,200
want to be careful because
there's nothing more detrimental

1780
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:18,640
than realizing like, OK, so when
I'm teaching my son, I want him

1781
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:20,880
to know his potential.
Now examples the best way to

1782
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:23,000
teach her.
But but most, most of the time

1783
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:26,400
kids will get married and
they'll kind of imitate your

1784
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:33,800
imitate their parents.
It just it's by seeing it

1785
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:36,000
because by by by knowing their
potential, they know that's what

1786
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:37,680
they're supposed to do, right?
They just know that's what

1787
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:39,760
they're supposed to do.
So most time they'll do that.

1788
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:44,680
Now the ordinance work once
again, I find quite fascinating

1789
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:48,240
because it's also shown us our
potential.

1790
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:54,640
And somebody said something that
about the temple that I thought

1791
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:56,880
was interesting.
They said, you know, the temple,

1792
01:33:57,080 --> 01:34:00,760
you can't the LDS temple, the
only way you can justify it is

1793
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:02,960
by the Old Testament and all
that was done away and blah,

1794
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:04,640
blah, blah.
And I was thinking about that.

1795
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:11,720
I was praying about it and, and
the spirit just said, actually,

1796
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:16,640
you want to know about the
Restoration temple looked

1797
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:20,640
Revelations and I so then I read
revelations and I just kind of

1798
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:24,200
blew my mind.
I never really read it in temple

1799
01:34:24,440 --> 01:34:27,080
with the temple 100%.
Just yeah, there's some

1800
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:29,840
fascinating stuff.
And so, but, but the thing I

1801
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:31,640
thought was interesting, that
point to me is just like, well,

1802
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:40,560
the the pinnacle of well, the
old Moses temple was all

1803
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:42,400
completely.
I don't know.

1804
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:43,920
I would say the heart was
sacrificed.

1805
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:46,480
The heart was the blood
sacrifice, right, which pointed

1806
01:34:46,480 --> 01:34:49,040
to the atonement of Christ,
which is what he was going to

1807
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:52,440
do.
Well, it's funny because like I

1808
01:34:52,440 --> 01:34:55,640
said, our temple, that is the
foundation.

1809
01:34:56,160 --> 01:35:00,040
And you know, it's one thing
that Joe Smith even talks about,

1810
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:01,960
which is it used to be
controversial.

1811
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:04,880
I don't know where everybody
sits on it now, but he brought

1812
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:07,720
up the idea that it's like, hey,
when the priest is fully

1813
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:11,160
restored, you know, sacrifice
will be reinstituted when the

1814
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:12,960
sons of Levi offer.
A.

1815
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:15,600
A righteous.
Righteous sacrifice, right, and

1816
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:18,920
I thought a lot of even about
that.

1817
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:21,160
And it's kind of for the reason
we start off on that foundation,

1818
01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:27,160
I think, I think just
understanding what taking a life

1819
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:30,240
does to you, like I can't.
So I mean, I'll share an

1820
01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:32,600
experience because we do
Passover.

1821
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:36,040
That's something that we kind of
I kind of grew up doing and I've

1822
01:35:36,040 --> 01:35:40,000
only done this once myself, but
I had AI had a goat that was of

1823
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:43,400
of age to do that.
And, and, and I love what Joe

1824
01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:47,840
Smith says, he says, he says
it's not to be understood that

1825
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:50,640
all of the law most can be
brought back with all its rights

1826
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:53,280
and ordinances and whatever.
And the way I understand that.

1827
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:56,000
But he says those things that he
just prior to Moses, namely

1828
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,280
sacrifice, you know, when the
priesthood is fully restored

1829
01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:04,120
will be had again.
He basically I think is what

1830
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:07,440
he's saying there to, to once
again, this is my opinion.

1831
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:12,600
I want that outright.
So, but it's because we have, we

1832
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:14,840
have, well, blood sacrifice is
done away in the Book of Mormon.

1833
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:18,040
We have in the, in the New
Testament, you know what I'm

1834
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:21,840
saying?
And but I think it's how I

1835
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:25,840
harmonize this for myself.
It seems quite evident to me is

1836
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:30,200
since sacrifice was done away.
But if you look at what, well,

1837
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:32,120
what was the first sacrifice
Adam was commanded to do?

1838
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:36,960
Was it a sin sacrifice or what?
Or was it looking forward to

1839
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:38,720
Christ, you know what I'm
saying?

1840
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:40,280
And and bringing out those right
emotions.

1841
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:42,000
Well, anyways, bringing it back
to my right, those right

1842
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:46,120
emotions.
I can't just so first I want to

1843
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:49,040
to put out that.
And I think Joe Smith makes this

1844
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:50,680
tie too.
He says, you know, many people

1845
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:53,520
think that the sacrifice was
entirely, entirely consumed and

1846
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:56,680
some the whole offerings were,
But he says that's not that's

1847
01:36:56,680 --> 01:36:58,240
not always true.
They would burn some parts and

1848
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:01,080
then they would eat the rest.
So essentially anybody that's

1849
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:10,280
killed man and one eaten it like
even not officially doing as an

1850
01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:14,840
ordinance, right, you can't help
the the connection of so I did

1851
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:17,720
this at Passover and I was just
killing it to eat right.

1852
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:19,040
So I just want to make that
clear.

1853
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:22,120
Sure, not not not in a
sacrificial way, but I was

1854
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:23,640
killing a sample to eat for the
Passover.

1855
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:30,920
And when I did that, like I
can't look at the sacrament the

1856
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:34,360
same, like I don't know why it
just it hit me, right?

1857
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:36,880
And it's like it's really easy
to take things light.

1858
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:39,360
But it's like when I when I see
the sacrament, I think of that.

1859
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:40,320
And that's kind of what I'm
saying.

1860
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:43,840
You have this, you bring this
goat in and it's just going

1861
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:44,960
about his day and just have
these.

1862
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:46,560
I have no idea what's coming.
It's like you can't help.

1863
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:49,920
It's like it's so innocent.
It just, you know, yeah, it

1864
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:53,400
hurts and it's weird and it's
sobering.

1865
01:37:53,440 --> 01:37:56,280
And that's another thing that
we've kind of talked about that

1866
01:37:56,320 --> 01:38:01,720
that our society lost loses is
the sobering aspect of some of

1867
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:02,880
these things.
You know what I'm saying, that

1868
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:04,760
you can't, it shouldn't be
mundane.

1869
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:10,440
It should be very, very
sobering.

1870
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:14,040
So it's kind of, I can see that
even Joe Smith talking about

1871
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:19,720
that, how pointing us and, and,
and, and in our culture that has

1872
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:23,120
strayed so far from some of the
searches, the necessity of

1873
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:25,200
actually making it real again to
us, you know what I'm saying?

1874
01:38:25,200 --> 01:38:27,920
Like pointing us to something
and building back on that

1875
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:34,920
foundation of pointing actually
to Christ and that and that

1876
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:42,720
sacrifice was ultimately made.
But you build on that foundation

1877
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:48,800
and it kind of teaches you the
principles and the way of life

1878
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:52,000
to live, right?
And that's kind of what we're

1879
01:38:52,000 --> 01:39:01,440
talking about is, is now you
take the Old Testament and what

1880
01:39:01,440 --> 01:39:04,200
Joseph was talking about and
what everything pointed to in

1881
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:07,600
the temple was, well, Christ is
going to sacrifice.

1882
01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:09,000
He's going to be that
sacrificial lamb.

1883
01:39:09,240 --> 01:39:12,480
So up before the temple or up
before Christ came, those

1884
01:39:12,480 --> 01:39:15,920
sacrifices were pointing to
Christ and they weren't

1885
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:19,280
necessarily sin sacrifices like,
hey, you, you commit this sin,

1886
01:39:19,480 --> 01:39:22,240
then go kill 22 turtle doves.
You commit this sin, then kill a

1887
01:39:22,240 --> 01:39:26,440
goat ultimately is what Christ
says there's that's no longer

1888
01:39:26,440 --> 01:39:28,040
going to do it.
If you commit a sin.

1889
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:29,400
I want a broken hearted,
contrite spirit.

1890
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:31,120
I want you to feel bad for what
you did right.

1891
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:33,680
I'm not going to accept sin
sacrifices anymore.

1892
01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:38,960
But I think what will possibly
be restored, and I'm just

1893
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:43,000
speculating here, right, is that
it's not a sin sacrifice, but

1894
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:45,400
it's that building back on that
foundation of this is the

1895
01:39:45,400 --> 01:39:47,080
foundation.
This is where the temple started

1896
01:39:47,440 --> 01:39:49,680
now.
But yet, if we want to learn

1897
01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:53,200
about the restoration temples,
we're not looking at the Old

1898
01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:56,480
Testament now that part of it
has been fulfilled.

1899
01:39:56,480 --> 01:39:59,560
Christ came, he, he was a
sacrifice.

1900
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:05,280
So now we go to the revelations.
This kind of what shocked me to

1901
01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:11,840
learn about our temples.
And the first thing is, you

1902
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:14,200
know, we have the sun and
moonstone, the sun and moonstone

1903
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:15,880
stones and star stones on the
temple.

1904
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:19,080
I know that I had a lot of
confusion.

1905
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:21,320
It wasn't till just, you know, a
few years ago.

1906
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:25,040
That I was wondering why they're
in the in in the wrong order,

1907
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:27,720
right, Because I saw three
degrees of glory.

1908
01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:29,880
That's such a part of our
culture now.

1909
01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:32,840
But then you find something.
It's like, no, that that

1910
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:34,080
represents the woman in
revelation.

1911
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:37,160
So that kind of blew my mind.
I was like, OK, so the temple's

1912
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:38,640
female.
That's what we first need to

1913
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:40,880
realize.
And you know, what's it giving

1914
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:42,560
birth to, right?
So it's giving birth to

1915
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:43,800
something.
So that's cool.

1916
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:46,200
Now I know we can get caught up
on what the man child means and

1917
01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:48,920
all that.
I just let's just say it's

1918
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:52,640
supposed to be giving birth to
something and what's that look

1919
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:54,920
like?
But then if if you read

1920
01:40:54,920 --> 01:40:58,600
Revelations is what you see is
it's centered upon Christ

1921
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:02,080
sitting on what like eternal
exactly.

1922
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:06,560
So now the first temple, the Old
Testament temples, we're

1923
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:09,520
centered up on Christ being
sacrificed, everything.

1924
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:11,040
It seemed to me that was a
heartbeat.

1925
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:14,480
But then when you look to our
temples, it's centered upon him

1926
01:41:14,480 --> 01:41:16,760
being seated on the throne,
exalted.

1927
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:19,240
Exalted Exactly.
And then what does he say?

1928
01:41:19,440 --> 01:41:25,360
What does he say that we get to
sit on if we're exactly so.

1929
01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:30,120
So he says, I, I did this to
somebody.

1930
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:34,120
The entire Christian world says,
even if you believe in the

1931
01:41:34,120 --> 01:41:36,000
Trinity, right?
Let's just say we take that as

1932
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:38,760
it is.
So you're going to say that that

1933
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:43,840
God took on the form of a man.
So, So now to us, what does God

1934
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:44,960
look like?
A man.

1935
01:41:45,160 --> 01:41:49,880
Exactly.
And then he sits on a throne.

1936
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:52,400
So what is that?
It's a man sitting on a throne.

1937
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:59,600
And then he says to all those
who overcome, they will sit on

1938
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:01,880
my throne, even as I sit on the
Father's throne.

1939
01:42:02,480 --> 01:42:05,880
No.
God looks like a man.

1940
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:08,160
He's sitting on a throne like a
man.

1941
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:11,920
We look like a man if we if we
overcome like Christ as we're

1942
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:15,200
sitting on a throne.
What are we at that point?

1943
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:18,320
We're Co heirs.
Exactly what like where

1944
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:22,240
everything Christ is right?
So, so it's usually it's all

1945
01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:24,000
that's just that's just New
Testament, right.

1946
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:27,320
So you can't it's not too hard
to put these dot dot together.

1947
01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:30,960
And then you look at that's
ultimately the end of our temple

1948
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:32,960
ceremonies.
It's taking you.

1949
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:39,320
And if you want to take the the
gospel in a nutshell, so it

1950
01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:41,160
starts out with, well, what is
the gospel?

1951
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:44,200
You can't even have the gospel
without the covenant God made

1952
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:46,240
with a certain on people.
So right now, the first we got

1953
01:42:46,240 --> 01:42:49,000
to realize that, well, we're all
sons and daughters of Adam each.

1954
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:54,760
We're all related, right, right.
But people go here and people go

1955
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:57,120
there.
God's children fall away.

1956
01:42:57,760 --> 01:43:00,360
So what he does is he makes a
special covenant with this guy

1957
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:03,480
named Abraham, right?
And he says, OK, I'm going to

1958
01:43:03,480 --> 01:43:05,720
use you as my example.
You're going to be my like

1959
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:12,440
representative, right, My
representative family and I'm

1960
01:43:12,440 --> 01:43:14,440
going to teach you to be an
example of the world.

1961
01:43:14,440 --> 01:43:18,640
And then but on top of that he
promises Abraham three things.

1962
01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:24,480
He says I will give you a land
of promise Joe Smith Zion right.

1963
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:31,440
Then he says I will make you as
innumerable is the stands on the

1964
01:43:31,440 --> 01:43:36,840
sea right.
Same promises entered into Joe

1965
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:41,920
Smith and then the third thing
he says and through your family,

1966
01:43:42,040 --> 01:43:44,840
all the nations the earth will
be blessed right right.

1967
01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:50,200
So, and, and we see this.
So basically God's basically has

1968
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:51,760
he, he has his family as a
model.

1969
01:43:52,160 --> 01:43:55,360
And then the Pearl, great Pearl
great Price also talks about

1970
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:59,800
this.
He says the, the, the rightful

1971
01:43:59,920 --> 01:44:02,320
heirs of Abraham, the whole
world will be blessed by the

1972
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:04,400
right, the actual literal
descendants of Abraham.

1973
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:05,440
So they're the ones that start
it.

1974
01:44:05,440 --> 01:44:07,000
And it's interesting you
actually see this promise you

1975
01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:09,000
made Joe Smith, you're the
literalty of Abraham, right?

1976
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:13,440
So he, the literacy of Abraham
always starts the process.

1977
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:19,040
But then he says they take the
gospel to all the nations and

1978
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:24,360
you can adopt people in.
And then he says anybody that

1979
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:27,120
accepts the gospel that Abraham
preaches or his descendants

1980
01:44:27,120 --> 01:44:30,080
preach, anybody that accepts
that gospel, they will be

1981
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:33,880
grafted in and be as natural
born sons and they will call

1982
01:44:33,880 --> 01:44:36,120
Abraham father.
And we even see this in the in

1983
01:44:36,120 --> 01:44:38,680
the Christian culture, right?
Father Abraham had many sons.

1984
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:40,880
You know what I mean?
It's like, so it's like, it's

1985
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:44,920
like this model.
But but I love how God is

1986
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:47,440
because he's like, I've got to
create a standard.

1987
01:44:47,440 --> 01:44:50,400
I've got to create a thing that
people are are leaving me and my

1988
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:51,960
family.
My house has rules, right?

1989
01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:53,480
Some of this.
So these are the rules Abraham.

1990
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:58,640
But now anybody that wants to
join, you can adopt them in

1991
01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:00,560
that's that.
So that's the the good news of

1992
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:05,040
the gospel ultimately, right?
Is is OK, you can be grafted in

1993
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:07,480
And where does it that starts a
baptism.

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01:45:07,480 --> 01:45:09,520
That's the gate.
So that's the rebirth into this

1995
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:11,320
family.
And then where does it end?

1996
01:45:12,440 --> 01:45:15,960
Like what's the promise?
That you're going to have all

1997
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:18,520
the same blessings Abraham has,
right?

1998
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:22,320
Innumerable posterity.
And now you take it all the way

1999
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:25,560
through to where Christ is
sitting and what he promised his

2000
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:28,400
guilt.
So, so it all ends.

2001
01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:32,960
The blessings of this family all
end at you sitting on a throne,

2002
01:45:34,440 --> 01:45:36,720
just as God did.
It's all a New Testament.

2003
01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:44,240
So, so and then you take the the
temple, our temple, like the

2004
01:45:44,240 --> 01:45:50,960
main focus is getting not
sacrificing blood sacrifice, but

2005
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:53,200
sitting people ordaining kings
and priests.

2006
01:45:53,200 --> 01:45:55,080
I guess that's, I guess just
come right out, right.

2007
01:45:55,160 --> 01:45:57,960
Yeah.
So that's like that's the

2008
01:45:57,960 --> 01:46:00,000
heartbeat of our restoration
temple.

2009
01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:02,280
And it's all.
It's all in Revelations.

2010
01:46:02,280 --> 01:46:06,320
It's all in the New Testament.
What's interesting, I was

2011
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:08,360
looking this up as you were
talking about this because

2012
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:13,120
something jogged my memory here.
Even the even the promise that

2013
01:46:13,120 --> 01:46:16,520
will be Abraham's seed is
wrapped up in this idea of a

2014
01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:21,880
sacrificial life.
So Abraham 2 verse 9 And he

2015
01:46:21,880 --> 01:46:24,480
says, And I will make of thee,
this is the Lord speaking to

2016
01:46:24,480 --> 01:46:27,240
Abraham, a great nation.
And I will bless the above

2017
01:46:27,240 --> 01:46:30,920
measure and by my name, and make
thy name great among all

2018
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:33,000
nations.
And thou shall be a blessing

2019
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:37,160
unto thy seed after thee, that
in their hands shall bear the

2020
01:46:37,160 --> 01:46:39,280
ministry of the priesthood unto
all nations.

2021
01:46:39,480 --> 01:46:41,600
So right there he says, OK, if
you're going to be Abraham's

2022
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:43,520
seed, this is your job
description.

2023
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:45,880
This is your job description.
You are going to bear the

2024
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:49,080
priesthood to all nations.
You are going to go out there,

2025
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:50,960
you're going to proclaim my
gospel, you're going to

2026
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:54,000
officiate an ordinances, you're
going to render service.

2027
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:56,960
This is your birthright.
Understand.

2028
01:46:57,280 --> 01:47:01,200
Your birthright, not just.
Your mission statement, it's

2029
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:03,560
yeah.
This is what you are for.

2030
01:47:03,560 --> 01:47:06,280
Declare the good news, yeah?
This is what you're for.

2031
01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:09,880
So they but, but it's kind of so
you can't get, we talked about

2032
01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:12,040
the priesthood and you can't get
around the fact that ultimately

2033
01:47:12,040 --> 01:47:14,840
what the priest is is what you
seal on earth will be sealed in.

2034
01:47:15,160 --> 01:47:17,240
Heaven.
What you bind on earth will be

2035
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:18,840
bound in heaven.
So ultimately is what you're

2036
01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:21,760
doing is the priest's job is to
go out there and basically

2037
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:25,520
saying what you adopt in that's
that's recorded now.

2038
01:47:25,680 --> 01:47:28,640
It's basically like, I mean, if
you're having a custody battle

2039
01:47:28,640 --> 01:47:30,840
with your kids, you have to go
to a judge and he has to give

2040
01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:35,640
you so and that's ultimately the
priest's job is And so and then

2041
01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:38,320
he says, you know, all those
that are grafted in become as

2042
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:41,400
natural born sons.
So then what's their job now to?

2043
01:47:41,480 --> 01:47:44,040
Go graft.
To proclaim the good news of the

2044
01:47:44,040 --> 01:47:46,480
gospel, saying, hey, you guys
want into this family.

2045
01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:48,840
Well, why would you want into
this family?

2046
01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:51,800
Well, all the things we're
talking about like this is

2047
01:47:52,280 --> 01:47:56,400
because this family, this is the
only family that gets you this

2048
01:47:56,400 --> 01:47:57,640
potential.
You know what I'm saying?

2049
01:47:57,640 --> 01:47:59,760
Which is the full potential, You
know what I mean?

2050
01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:01,080
Yep, absolutely.
So it's like.

2051
01:48:01,480 --> 01:48:03,840
A It's hard for me when we talk
about the fullness of the

2052
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:10,200
gospel, it's like you start it,
one thing builds upon another

2053
01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:13,280
and it all ends there.
But I didn't under like, I

2054
01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:16,240
didn't understand the temple
until I, I found out about the

2055
01:48:16,240 --> 01:48:18,360
second anointing.
And then I was just like, click,

2056
01:48:18,360 --> 01:48:19,400
click, click, click, you know
what I mean?

2057
01:48:19,400 --> 01:48:22,520
It's like, Oh my gosh, this is
it's taking you from a newborn

2058
01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:26,320
child and it's bringing you up
to have an authority of your

2059
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:27,960
own.
That's exactly.

2060
01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:30,160
What Abraham says, he went away
rejoicing, saying now I have a

2061
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:32,760
priesthood of my own.
So it's taking children and

2062
01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:36,200
making them parents in in the
family structure.

2063
01:48:36,200 --> 01:48:39,240
You know what I'm saying?
So so to go ahead.

2064
01:48:39,240 --> 01:48:42,160
Oh no, I finish up.
I was just going to say to me,

2065
01:48:42,160 --> 01:48:45,920
like says you, you get baptized,
you're you're, you're as a

2066
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:48,200
child.
And then when you first get your

2067
01:48:48,200 --> 01:48:50,240
first anointing, it's like
becoming a teenager.

2068
01:48:50,480 --> 01:48:55,000
So right now in my house I have,
I have, I have a son, my oldest

2069
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:56,400
son is getting ready to get
married this spring.

2070
01:48:57,240 --> 01:48:58,600
And then I have down to two
months, right?

2071
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:04,200
And so everything in between.
But right now I don't give the

2072
01:49:04,200 --> 01:49:05,320
babies any authority in the
house.

2073
01:49:05,320 --> 01:49:06,760
So I don't get no priesthood,
right.

2074
01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:11,440
And but yet my teenagers, they
get some authority in the house,

2075
01:49:11,440 --> 01:49:12,840
but I don't get ultimate
authority.

2076
01:49:12,840 --> 01:49:14,120
I give them some authority,
right.

2077
01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:18,720
So, so that's like your, that's
like your first anointing or

2078
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:20,680
your first initiate into
priesthood.

2079
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:26,200
And then when my son gets
married and leaves my house, he

2080
01:49:26,200 --> 01:49:29,160
be, he gets a priest of his own.
So he and then to start his own

2081
01:49:29,160 --> 01:49:30,680
family.
And it's like, I see that in the

2082
01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:32,160
Lord's house.
It's a training, it's like a

2083
01:49:32,160 --> 01:49:35,000
training process for God's
children, not on a, on a

2084
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:36,520
physical level, on a spiritual
level.

2085
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:39,000
And it's supposed to be bringing
you up and when you're ready and

2086
01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:42,520
you're proven faithful and
you've, you've proven to as soon

2087
01:49:42,520 --> 01:49:45,760
as my parents have, as soon as
my children are proving that

2088
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:47,800
they're ready for marriage and
whatever, I'm fully on board.

2089
01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:49,320
I'm like, yeah, go start, go
start your family.

2090
01:49:49,320 --> 01:49:51,440
It's the most beautiful thing.
And that's how the fullness of

2091
01:49:51,440 --> 01:49:53,160
priest should be.
As soon as you're ready, it's

2092
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:58,920
like, dude, now you can, you
can, you're you and it's you

2093
01:49:58,920 --> 01:50:02,480
tied directly to God.
And if you remove that link, I'm

2094
01:50:02,480 --> 01:50:04,520
not a big one man guy and I'm
not a big.

2095
01:50:05,480 --> 01:50:09,080
But if you're operating in a
priestess society that doesn't

2096
01:50:09,080 --> 01:50:11,560
take you clear to the top,
there's something missing.

2097
01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:14,440
You know what I'm saying?
And I am on full board of you do

2098
01:50:14,440 --> 01:50:17,000
the best you can with what you
have, and God makes pretty damn

2099
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:18,720
good exceptions for what you
have.

2100
01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:20,080
So I'm not trying to cut anybody
short.

2101
01:50:20,440 --> 01:50:23,480
But in the end, it's really hard
to understand everything if you

2102
01:50:23,480 --> 01:50:25,600
don't have the full structure
that takes you all the way to

2103
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:26,680
the top.
Absolutely.

2104
01:50:26,680 --> 01:50:29,080
It's like being dropped in the
middle of a movie, right?

2105
01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:31,000
That you've never seen before
and you're trying to get your

2106
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:34,240
bearings about how this what the
story even is, right?

2107
01:50:36,040 --> 01:50:39,480
Yeah, one 100%.
And it all hinges on sacrifice,

2108
01:50:39,640 --> 01:50:43,160
right?
It it hinges on Adam and Eve's

2109
01:50:43,160 --> 01:50:45,200
sacrifice, right?
They made a sacrifice.

2110
01:50:45,480 --> 01:50:47,000
We're going to eat this fruit,
right?

2111
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:49,200
So man might be.
And then it's Christ's

2112
01:50:49,200 --> 01:50:51,880
sacrifice, you know, we're I'm
going to I'm going to pay the

2113
01:50:51,880 --> 01:50:56,320
ultimate price.
Suffer in ways that US mortals

2114
01:50:56,320 --> 01:51:03,640
can't even begin to comprehend.
The closer, the closer, the more

2115
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:07,840
I perceive I'm I'm starting to
understand the the atonement in

2116
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:12,000
that sacrifice, the more light
illuminates just how little I

2117
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:16,720
actually know.
And without his sacrifice, none

2118
01:51:16,720 --> 01:51:18,640
of these other things here we're
talking about.

2119
01:51:20,360 --> 01:51:24,360
I do want to touch on one more
thing and that is the House of

2120
01:51:24,360 --> 01:51:28,240
God being a House of sacrifice,
right?

2121
01:51:28,240 --> 01:51:33,200
We see that in the Old Testament
temple a lot, but somehow I

2122
01:51:33,200 --> 01:51:36,720
think we fail to recognize the
sacrifice, the sacrificial

2123
01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:44,200
nature of of restoration temples
because we may not be bringing

2124
01:51:44,200 --> 01:51:48,160
with goat or a lamb or
turtledoves any longer to the

2125
01:51:48,160 --> 01:51:53,760
temple, but what we are still
sacrificing right in this quest

2126
01:51:54,040 --> 01:51:57,680
for all of Christendom.
I don't, I don't really care

2127
01:51:57,680 --> 01:52:00,440
what branch it is.
We're all seeking.

2128
01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:03,720
We're we all have one goal,
right, which is to get closer to

2129
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:06,640
our Savior so we can become more
like our Savior.

2130
01:52:08,880 --> 01:52:11,280
I have this idea and this is
just my idea, right?

2131
01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:14,760
So take it with probably two or
three great big grains of salt.

2132
01:52:15,480 --> 01:52:19,360
But I think we have the
opportunity to participate in a

2133
01:52:19,400 --> 01:52:24,680
very literal way, the work of
God in our mortality, right?

2134
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:27,360
You want to know about the
workings of a testator of the

2135
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:29,720
Spirit, go do your missionary
work.

2136
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:32,840
Be that testator witness to
truth, right?

2137
01:52:33,200 --> 01:52:36,960
You want to become like the
Father and Heavenly Mother, have

2138
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:40,040
a family, right?
Learn how to manage that.

2139
01:52:40,720 --> 01:52:44,440
You want to be like the Savior?
How do you do that?

2140
01:52:45,240 --> 01:52:48,840
Well, the Savior came down here
and he did something that we

2141
01:52:48,840 --> 01:52:50,800
couldn't do for ourselves,
right?

2142
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:54,000
Seth, you're a great guy.
You're you're a better man than

2143
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:56,760
I am, but I promised.
Unlikely.

2144
01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:03,160
As as good as you are, you
couldn't have done, I couldn't

2145
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:06,000
have done the things that savior
needed, that savior had to do,

2146
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:09,080
right?
He was the only one who was

2147
01:53:09,080 --> 01:53:13,480
uniquely qualified to make a
sacrifice on my behalf.

2148
01:53:13,800 --> 01:53:18,240
Now let's tie this idea of
sacrificing ourselves in the

2149
01:53:18,240 --> 01:53:22,320
temple.
We're going to sacrifice again.

2150
01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:26,440
The only thing that we can
really sacrifice our will.

2151
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:30,600
And that also ties in really
tightly with our time, right?

2152
01:53:31,200 --> 01:53:32,840
Our time.
That's something I wish I could

2153
01:53:32,840 --> 01:53:35,200
get more of that I just can't,
right?

2154
01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:40,360
There are people, and they are
people on the other side of the

2155
01:53:40,360 --> 01:53:42,360
veil.
They're not just names you take

2156
01:53:42,360 --> 01:53:45,800
through the temple, right?
Who can't?

2157
01:53:45,800 --> 01:53:49,280
Do they need a work done for
them that they can't do for

2158
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:51,960
themselves?
Well, this is where we come in,

2159
01:53:52,640 --> 01:53:54,160
right?
We're going to go in.

2160
01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:57,640
We're going to take those family
names and we're going to

2161
01:53:57,840 --> 01:54:04,880
surrender our will and our time
to go through that ordinance and

2162
01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:08,080
make a sacrifice for people who
can't do it for themselves.

2163
01:54:08,840 --> 01:54:11,040
And I think that's what the
Scripture is trying to drive

2164
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:13,400
home when it says, and they
shall stand as mount, say, as

2165
01:54:13,400 --> 01:54:17,040
saviors on Mount Zion, right?
You want, you want to know about

2166
01:54:17,040 --> 01:54:18,880
the Savior?
You want to become more like the

2167
01:54:18,880 --> 01:54:22,640
Savior.
Go to the temple and keep going

2168
01:54:22,640 --> 01:54:25,800
to the temple.
And again, that beautiful cycle

2169
01:54:25,800 --> 01:54:27,440
I talked about, not the vicious
one.

2170
01:54:27,880 --> 01:54:30,320
You're going to go to sacrifice
for somebody else.

2171
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:34,120
You're going to sit through that
ordinance again, and you're

2172
01:54:34,120 --> 01:54:38,360
going to find all sorts of
magnificent doctrines.

2173
01:54:38,680 --> 01:54:40,760
You're going to have personal
revelation.

2174
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:44,560
Your family relationships will
become sweeter because you

2175
01:54:44,560 --> 01:54:46,520
decided to sacrifice in that
loop.

2176
01:54:46,640 --> 01:54:48,440
You know, so there's a couple
things.

2177
01:54:48,440 --> 01:54:51,160
One thing when you when you are
going to the temple, it's like

2178
01:54:51,160 --> 01:54:55,400
it's so important to realize
that that is, that's, that's a

2179
01:54:55,400 --> 01:54:58,640
day with you and God.
And then you have the when you

2180
01:54:58,640 --> 01:55:00,600
talk about what the priesthood
is about sacrifice.

2181
01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:03,800
Well, the priesthood has always
been even in anciently well,

2182
01:55:03,800 --> 01:55:06,040
you, you bring a goat or
whatever and the priest would

2183
01:55:06,040 --> 01:55:07,920
sacrifice it for you.
They do something for you that

2184
01:55:07,960 --> 01:55:10,120
that you know, you could do for
yourself, so to speak, right.

2185
01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:15,720
But you should go there knowing
that that everything you

2186
01:55:15,720 --> 01:55:18,640
covenant to everything you do is
a personal thing between you and

2187
01:55:18,720 --> 01:55:23,440
and you and God.
But then we talk about becoming

2188
01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:27,400
saviors on Mount Zion.
It it's interesting because

2189
01:55:27,800 --> 01:55:31,200
there's, there's a lot.
First off, I've always openly

2190
01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:34,520
admitted that it's like, I don't
really understand why ordinances

2191
01:55:34,520 --> 01:55:36,240
are necessary or even why they
work.

2192
01:55:36,360 --> 01:55:41,960
I mean, I do to the extent that
I just that I see in baptism, I

2193
01:55:41,960 --> 01:55:44,080
use that principle over and over
again, just lay down something

2194
01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:45,520
in every aspect of my life.
I'm like, this is such a

2195
01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:47,840
valuable tool.
My marriage would would not be

2196
01:55:47,840 --> 01:55:50,400
if I didn't have access to the
information that the that the

2197
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:53,240
gospel has given me.
Even simple concepts like we're

2198
01:55:53,240 --> 01:55:55,680
talking baptism, my marriage
would be over like, Oh yeah,

2199
01:55:55,720 --> 01:55:59,800
long time.
So I understand the principle.

2200
01:55:59,800 --> 01:56:04,040
I don't, I don't understand why
I actually have to be baptized.

2201
01:56:04,040 --> 01:56:07,680
I don't understand why it ain't
just why I can't just say, oh,

2202
01:56:07,680 --> 01:56:09,600
it's the, it's a concept of
baptism.

2203
01:56:09,600 --> 01:56:11,680
That's that you need to get you
don't actually have to be

2204
01:56:11,680 --> 01:56:13,280
baptized, but you need to
understand this principle.

2205
01:56:13,560 --> 01:56:17,240
But yet I can't, I can't.
So I have to take that on faith

2206
01:56:17,240 --> 01:56:18,440
because I can't logic on
something.

2207
01:56:18,840 --> 01:56:21,080
You can't logically just say I
don't know why this has to be

2208
01:56:21,080 --> 01:56:24,720
done, but I can tell you this.
Why did the savior have to come

2209
01:56:24,720 --> 01:56:28,120
here and die If we, if we
believe, if you're any strain

2210
01:56:28,120 --> 01:56:33,280
of, of Christianity, why
couldn't, if, if God's God, why

2211
01:56:33,280 --> 01:56:35,400
do they have to do something so
barbaric is come down and let

2212
01:56:35,400 --> 01:56:37,120
his children crucify him and
whatever do?

2213
01:56:37,120 --> 01:56:38,680
So why couldn't he just be like,
they're going to do this

2214
01:56:38,680 --> 01:56:40,280
anyways?
And I'm just wave my hand in

2215
01:56:40,280 --> 01:56:42,560
heaven and, and your pardon, you
know what I mean?

2216
01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:43,760
And I can teach you that
principle.

2217
01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:45,280
I can teach you the you know
what I'm saying.

2218
01:56:45,400 --> 01:56:48,400
But it's like, no, he had to
come down to this physical realm

2219
01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:51,400
and essentially perform an
ordinance.

2220
01:56:52,040 --> 01:56:53,680
Yeah.
No, that's exactly.

2221
01:56:53,720 --> 01:56:57,960
Right.
And so I always, because I you

2222
01:56:57,960 --> 01:57:00,240
get a lot of people say well,
why this, why that, why you know

2223
01:57:00,240 --> 01:57:02,200
what I'm saying?
And that's almost like, and you

2224
01:57:02,200 --> 01:57:04,960
know, why, why are all these oak
trees out in Missouri, not apple

2225
01:57:04,960 --> 01:57:07,480
trees where I then I would have
to grow apples myself.

2226
01:57:07,480 --> 01:57:08,360
Why?
You know what I'm saying?

2227
01:57:08,360 --> 01:57:11,520
I don't know, right.
I mean, I, we, we do kind of

2228
01:57:11,520 --> 01:57:13,520
because we're kind of told by
the sweat of our brown whatnot.

2229
01:57:13,720 --> 01:57:16,720
But still, you want to ask why,
why on some things you got to

2230
01:57:16,720 --> 01:57:18,720
just be like, Hey, I don't
there's things I probably don't

2231
01:57:18,720 --> 01:57:22,760
quite get, but yet we can see
that if you're not careful.

2232
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:25,920
And I've seen this even in
myself.

2233
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:30,320
But but it's interesting, every
time I see kind of a Christian

2234
01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:35,040
attack on a restoration idea,
I'm like, you do realize that if

2235
01:57:35,040 --> 01:57:38,880
you use that same mentality back
to your own theology, you it

2236
01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:40,720
falls too you.
You don't realize you're

2237
01:57:40,720 --> 01:57:43,560
attacking your own theology.
Yeah, you're cutting your own

2238
01:57:43,560 --> 01:57:44,240
legs down.
Coming.

2239
01:57:44,240 --> 01:57:48,880
Your own legs.
So, yeah, there seems to be

2240
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:51,760
something so important about
coming down on this earth and

2241
01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:53,760
doing, doing things in the
flesh.

2242
01:57:54,240 --> 01:57:58,680
And I don't know why, but it,
it, it's, it's not too hard to

2243
01:57:58,680 --> 01:58:02,080
have faith that to say some
things have to be done here,

2244
01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:04,240
kind of like the prophet said.
And it's one of those things

2245
01:58:04,240 --> 01:58:07,840
like it has to be done here.
I don't know why, I don't know

2246
01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:10,600
why, I don't know why I got him.
The Savior had to come down and

2247
01:58:10,600 --> 01:58:13,200
do it here, but he did.
So it's good enough for me, you

2248
01:58:13,200 --> 01:58:16,600
know, And I don't know why the
Savior had to be baptized, but

2249
01:58:16,600 --> 01:58:18,440
he did.
So he submitted to that.

2250
01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:20,880
Don't get me wrong, I do.
It all makes sense.

2251
01:58:21,720 --> 01:58:24,600
No, I, I see, I, I see what
you're saying there, right.

2252
01:58:25,080 --> 01:58:30,680
And you know, there is something
to the to the idea that the

2253
01:58:30,720 --> 01:58:33,560
Savior said that that we do this
to fulfill all righteousness.

2254
01:58:33,560 --> 01:58:34,480
Exactly.
Right.

2255
01:58:36,720 --> 01:58:39,560
God is clear you're not going to
be able to stand his presence

2256
01:58:39,560 --> 01:58:42,720
unless you get to a certain
point, right.

2257
01:58:43,200 --> 01:58:45,920
And I think somehow those
ordinances are all tied into

2258
01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:49,000
that, right?
They're preparatory for, for

2259
01:58:49,000 --> 01:58:52,080
that meeting that will
eventually take place.

2260
01:58:52,640 --> 01:58:55,280
Yeah.
No, that's, you know, and we

2261
01:58:55,280 --> 01:59:00,520
talked about, you know, bringing
it back to the family of God

2262
01:59:00,520 --> 01:59:03,480
and, and the promises made to
Abraham and how those promises

2263
01:59:03,480 --> 01:59:06,920
were reiterated to Joseph Smith.
And we got kind of our own, our

2264
01:59:06,920 --> 01:59:12,600
own promises.
And ultimately it's like

2265
01:59:12,600 --> 01:59:16,480
everything that we're doing,
it's trying to, it's trying to

2266
01:59:16,480 --> 01:59:19,880
give us identity, right?
I don't know if if people

2267
01:59:19,880 --> 01:59:22,960
understand the blessing of all
of this.

2268
01:59:22,960 --> 01:59:25,720
Even we talk about physical
ordinances, you know, baptism,

2269
01:59:26,160 --> 01:59:28,040
it's like that gives you an
identity.

2270
01:59:28,040 --> 01:59:29,960
It does.
And then it's the same with the

2271
01:59:29,960 --> 01:59:33,680
temple.
It's the same with with a

2272
01:59:33,680 --> 01:59:36,080
garment being placed upon you.
It's like it's given you that

2273
01:59:36,080 --> 01:59:40,240
identity of being a part of this
group.

2274
01:59:40,240 --> 01:59:44,040
You know what I'm saying?
And you see this, like, I mean,

2275
01:59:44,280 --> 01:59:46,600
studies have been done that,
that children that don't have

2276
01:59:46,600 --> 01:59:49,040
their parents or parents or died
or, or whatever, it's like they

2277
01:59:49,040 --> 01:59:51,960
suffer from a serious identity
crisis.

2278
01:59:51,960 --> 01:59:53,200
You know what I mean?
Like they don't know who they

2279
01:59:53,240 --> 01:59:56,480
are.
And I, I, I can totally relate.

2280
01:59:56,480 --> 02:00:00,440
I, when I look at my parents and
even my family, it helps me

2281
02:00:00,440 --> 02:00:01,640
understand who I am.
It's weird.

2282
02:00:01,720 --> 02:00:04,280
But but it just.
Does I'm just like, OK, and it's

2283
02:00:04,280 --> 02:00:07,360
and it's awesome when you have
good people and it's really hard

2284
02:00:07,360 --> 02:00:09,400
on you when you have bad people
in your family history, right?

2285
02:00:09,400 --> 02:00:11,640
It's like, because it because it
feels like that's part of you.

2286
02:00:12,040 --> 02:00:15,680
Well, the cool thing about that
about the gospel is, is crisis

2287
02:00:15,680 --> 02:00:19,840
basically saying I, I, I'm, I'm
your identity, I'm giving you

2288
02:00:20,480 --> 02:00:22,440
and I grabbed you and he says,
you know, you become my sons and

2289
02:00:22,440 --> 02:00:24,440
my daughters.
So you no longer have to

2290
02:00:24,440 --> 02:00:28,280
identify with all the mistakes
that you're right have made.

2291
02:00:28,680 --> 02:00:31,280
It's basically giving you this
identity that you can identify

2292
02:00:31,480 --> 02:00:35,280
now with me and I'm ultimate
righteousness, right, right.

2293
02:00:35,320 --> 02:00:37,560
So you, you take this, I'm
giving you an identity.

2294
02:00:37,800 --> 02:00:43,520
And ultimately, if you see, if
you see a Christian wearing a

2295
02:00:43,520 --> 02:00:46,400
cross or anything they do,
that's, that's literally why

2296
02:00:46,400 --> 02:00:48,280
they do it.
I, I mean, I'm speculating here.

2297
02:00:48,280 --> 02:00:50,840
This is my opinions, right?
But it's like it's because

2298
02:00:50,840 --> 02:00:52,720
they're proud to be a part of
that identity.

2299
02:00:52,720 --> 02:00:54,680
You know, it's just like they
want to wear it because why?

2300
02:00:54,680 --> 02:00:56,640
Because they have faith in it.
So anytime somebody's thrown

2301
02:00:56,640 --> 02:01:00,040
something out, it's like, well,
you've lost faith in the in what

2302
02:01:00,040 --> 02:01:02,040
this thing represents in the
identity it's given you.

2303
02:01:02,840 --> 02:01:06,480
But I can tell you when it comes
to the restoration, it's such a

2304
02:01:06,480 --> 02:01:11,240
solid platform that that takes
identity from the spiritual

2305
02:01:11,440 --> 02:01:14,600
sense and brings into into
reality and gives you something

2306
02:01:14,600 --> 02:01:17,840
you can tangibly hold onto.
And anybody that's that's

2307
02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:21,640
experienced very much, I don't
know how to say it, but like

2308
02:01:21,640 --> 02:01:25,200
workings in the spirit, like it
can just get, you can get lost

2309
02:01:25,200 --> 02:01:26,080
so fast.
It's weird.

2310
02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:29,640
You can just get blown all over.
And so it's like there has to be

2311
02:01:30,280 --> 02:01:34,440
there has to be something that.
Kind of an anchor point.

2312
02:01:34,440 --> 02:01:39,520
Exactly that you can bring into
the reality and, and, and once

2313
02:01:39,520 --> 02:01:41,480
again, that's another thing I
kind of touched on, but I love

2314
02:01:41,480 --> 02:01:43,520
about the Restoration.
It's one of my favorite things

2315
02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:47,320
about, about Brigham Young is
his ability to say, look, 2 + 2

2316
02:01:47,320 --> 02:01:50,360
= 4, right?
So he brings he, he was really

2317
02:01:50,360 --> 02:01:51,520
good.
He was practical.

2318
02:01:51,640 --> 02:01:54,320
Exactly like this, this works
this is what we're going to do.

2319
02:01:54,320 --> 02:01:57,240
I know this works you know what
I'm saying and that's important

2320
02:01:57,240 --> 02:02:00,120
for any that's why Mormons made
it in the West.

2321
02:02:00,120 --> 02:02:02,640
That's why that's why they are
what they are is because of that

2322
02:02:03,040 --> 02:02:06,160
that practical Now also with
that we don't want to lose sight

2323
02:02:06,160 --> 02:02:08,560
of our our spiritual
encouragement too that we're

2324
02:02:08,560 --> 02:02:10,680
supposed to be you know that's
one of what just miss says the

2325
02:02:10,680 --> 02:02:13,800
priesthood job is is to receive
revelation communication with

2326
02:02:14,360 --> 02:02:15,200
God.
You know what I'm saying?

2327
02:02:15,680 --> 02:02:19,720
But I think the devil can take
you all over the place.

2328
02:02:19,720 --> 02:02:23,560
So so all this is to give us
that identity and say, don't get

2329
02:02:23,560 --> 02:02:25,520
lost, don't get blown all over.
What's my identity?

2330
02:02:25,520 --> 02:02:28,880
OK.
And it ties it ties you not only

2331
02:02:28,880 --> 02:02:32,680
to the ancient promises made to
Abraham, but then it all it all

2332
02:02:32,680 --> 02:02:36,480
builds on each other and the
restoration lays a solid

2333
02:02:36,480 --> 02:02:38,880
foundation.
And if any community actually

2334
02:02:38,880 --> 02:02:45,200
could, could, could grab that
like they would 2 + 2 = 4, they

2335
02:02:45,200 --> 02:02:46,720
would actually prosper, you
know?

2336
02:02:46,760 --> 02:02:50,640
What I'm saying?
Because but the thing that's

2337
02:02:50,640 --> 02:02:56,040
funny that that that we do is
we're too busy.

2338
02:02:56,480 --> 02:03:01,600
It's like the it's like the
family of God has an autoimmune

2339
02:03:01,600 --> 02:03:03,960
disorder where we're so busy
attacking each other half the

2340
02:03:03,960 --> 02:03:05,640
time.
You are correct.

2341
02:03:05,800 --> 02:03:06,960
Yeah.
No, you're correct.

2342
02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:08,240
You 100.
It's like, dude, we got a

2343
02:03:08,240 --> 02:03:09,760
disease.
We need to, we need to get off

2344
02:03:09,760 --> 02:03:17,080
of that and start realizing that
that everybody's there's

2345
02:03:17,080 --> 02:03:19,800
different, there's different
levels and degrees, right.

2346
02:03:20,240 --> 02:03:25,080
On one hand, I don't want to say
truth like I never I want to

2347
02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:27,440
stay totally away from truth is
relative, right?

2348
02:03:28,440 --> 02:03:31,520
But but there is different
degrees and levels and hey,

2349
02:03:31,520 --> 02:03:35,400
where, what, what you're ready
to take, because I have like AI

2350
02:03:35,400 --> 02:03:37,280
could be totally off in the
weeds here, but I have like a

2351
02:03:38,040 --> 02:03:41,600
like a really big view on the
stone cut without hands.

2352
02:03:41,640 --> 02:03:43,920
And I and I just like I said,
I'm no scholar.

2353
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:47,240
It's just something that I have.
I just every time I think about

2354
02:03:47,240 --> 02:03:49,840
it, I'm just like that stone
started with Christ and it's

2355
02:03:49,840 --> 02:03:53,560
just going to roll right.
Like the, the, the the the

2356
02:03:53,560 --> 02:03:56,560
apostles, what the apostles like
it's Christ is never I've never

2357
02:03:56,560 --> 02:04:00,920
gone away until the world.
And but we have apostasies.

2358
02:04:00,920 --> 02:04:05,720
We have this, we have that we
have, but still Joseph Smith

2359
02:04:05,720 --> 02:04:08,280
says something really, really
interesting in section and this

2360
02:04:08,280 --> 02:04:12,200
is a whole nother.
All right, like I said, this is

2361
02:04:12,920 --> 02:04:14,640
we'll tie it all back.
This is normal.

2362
02:04:14,640 --> 02:04:16,240
This is a tangent.
You're good.

2363
02:04:16,440 --> 02:04:18,720
He says something in section 10,
which you should go read it, but

2364
02:04:18,720 --> 02:04:22,800
he says he's talking about, you
know, the church that's coming

2365
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:25,080
forth talking about the
restoration, what Justin's

2366
02:04:25,080 --> 02:04:27,640
doing.
And he says I don't do this to

2367
02:04:27,640 --> 02:04:31,480
destroy my church.
Well, what are you talking

2368
02:04:31,480 --> 02:04:35,600
about?
But to oh man, how's it worded?

2369
02:04:36,000 --> 02:04:38,400
Not don't, I don't, I'm not, I
don't do this to destroy my

2370
02:04:38,400 --> 02:04:41,760
church, but to basically bring
it more to make it more full.

2371
02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:45,200
I'm you'll have to read it.
But anyways, it's an interesting

2372
02:04:45,200 --> 02:04:48,800
thing because I mean, I could be
wrong on this because but I

2373
02:04:48,800 --> 02:04:51,760
can't help to read that and say,
well, what's when he says I'm

2374
02:04:51,760 --> 02:04:56,480
not doing this to destroy my
church, but to bring it more.

2375
02:04:56,480 --> 02:04:59,560
What church is he talking about?
Well, I think he's talking about

2376
02:04:59,560 --> 02:05:00,920
the Christian world.
He still recognized.

2377
02:05:00,920 --> 02:05:03,800
Hey, this is I'm not doing this
to destroy all the good right?

2378
02:05:03,800 --> 02:05:06,080
That's that's here in my because
you realize everywhere in

2379
02:05:06,080 --> 02:05:07,680
scripture where Christ talks
about church, especially in

2380
02:05:07,680 --> 02:05:09,120
their restoration, like the book
of they're saved.

2381
02:05:09,120 --> 02:05:10,920
But two churches.
You know what I'm saying?

2382
02:05:10,920 --> 02:05:15,040
And I I love when people are
always arguing like I have a lot

2383
02:05:15,040 --> 02:05:16,080
of people.
It's just like, you know, the

2384
02:05:16,080 --> 02:05:18,840
Mormon church is the true church
and that means everything else

2385
02:05:18,840 --> 02:05:20,200
is the Church of the devil.
I'm just like that.

2386
02:05:20,560 --> 02:05:22,200
You can't read that scripture in
Neph.

2387
02:05:22,200 --> 02:05:25,880
I can in that context because it
just don't make any sense.

2388
02:05:26,360 --> 02:05:28,200
So God always when he talks
about church, he's talking

2389
02:05:28,200 --> 02:05:34,520
about, I think we get too caught
up on the authority in the in

2390
02:05:34,520 --> 02:05:37,600
the, in the maybe the
corporation where God is like,

2391
02:05:37,600 --> 02:05:40,080
no, I'm talking about, well,
what does Joe Smith say

2392
02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:41,480
Mormonism is?
It's one of my favorite.

2393
02:05:41,480 --> 02:05:44,840
Of course.
He says Mormonism claims truth,

2394
02:05:45,680 --> 02:05:47,480
all truth.
You know what I'm saying?

2395
02:05:47,480 --> 02:05:50,680
Is it we we, we, we hold the
liberty claim all truth and he

2396
02:05:50,680 --> 02:05:52,000
says no matter where it comes
from.

2397
02:05:52,440 --> 02:05:54,280
And if you don't do this, you
won't come out of true Mormon.

2398
02:05:54,280 --> 02:05:57,080
Some of that effect.
And So what is Mormonism like?

2399
02:05:57,080 --> 02:06:00,360
That's the gospel I ascribe to
some people like, well, well,

2400
02:06:00,440 --> 02:06:04,280
it's like you're not ascribing.
It's, it's funny because even

2401
02:06:04,280 --> 02:06:07,880
like with my with my brothers,
we start out like our dad was

2402
02:06:07,880 --> 02:06:10,040
loyal Ford fan.
You know, I'm saying that some

2403
02:06:10,040 --> 02:06:12,280
of the brothers like, you know,
I went to different, you know,

2404
02:06:12,280 --> 02:06:14,320
Chevy or Dodge or whatever.
And it's like, there's always

2405
02:06:14,320 --> 02:06:16,760
this like competition.
And now I'm looking, I'm just

2406
02:06:16,760 --> 02:06:19,640
like, like I, I'm not loyal to a
brand.

2407
02:06:19,960 --> 02:06:22,200
I I'm loyal to who produces the
best product.

2408
02:06:22,200 --> 02:06:24,520
But it's interesting.
Like, we're very our nature is

2409
02:06:24,520 --> 02:06:26,120
to be loyal to a brand, you know
what I'm saying?

2410
02:06:26,240 --> 02:06:28,000
We speak kings.
Yes, we do.

2411
02:06:28,560 --> 02:06:32,280
Exactly.
And so if if the entire

2412
02:06:32,720 --> 02:06:38,080
Christian world could realize
we're after truth, you know what

2413
02:06:38,080 --> 02:06:42,200
I'm saying?
And not loyalty to this or that.

2414
02:06:42,200 --> 02:06:43,680
It's like we're loyal to the
truth.

2415
02:06:43,680 --> 02:06:45,600
And that's the religion I
ascribe to.

2416
02:06:45,600 --> 02:06:48,000
I think we could all unite was
just like and and we'll find

2417
02:06:48,000 --> 02:06:50,760
that we're all we're all uniting
to the most truth we can

2418
02:06:50,760 --> 02:06:52,160
understand.
There are.

2419
02:06:52,760 --> 02:06:54,680
Yeah, I, I think you're 100%
correct.

2420
02:06:54,680 --> 02:06:56,840
So I've had a similar thought,
right?

2421
02:06:56,840 --> 02:07:01,440
And I know I'm going to get hate
mail for this, so I apologize in

2422
02:07:01,440 --> 02:07:04,880
advance, but I'm not, There's a
lot of things about Bruce Arm

2423
02:07:04,880 --> 02:07:06,680
and Mcconkey I really like,
right?

2424
02:07:06,680 --> 02:07:09,760
A lot of things he wrote, but I
got to be honest with you.

2425
02:07:09,760 --> 02:07:12,000
When he calls out the Catholic
churches, the great and

2426
02:07:12,000 --> 02:07:14,920
abominable whore, I, I can't get
behind that.

2427
02:07:15,160 --> 02:07:16,920
I just can't.
It doesn't make sense to me.

2428
02:07:17,800 --> 02:07:20,760
And so as I thought about this
and about that particular

2429
02:07:20,760 --> 02:07:24,080
scripture, there's only two
churches, the Church of God and

2430
02:07:24,080 --> 02:07:28,680
the Church of Lucifer.
I think the ward is recognizing

2431
02:07:28,680 --> 02:07:31,520
that there's truth out there,
right?

2432
02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:34,880
That he's telling you, hey,
these different, different

2433
02:07:34,880 --> 02:07:39,000
denominations, they will have
truth what I think Mormonism is

2434
02:07:39,000 --> 02:07:43,080
doing because Mormonism is
unique in Christendom that it

2435
02:07:43,080 --> 02:07:46,480
focuses a lot on covenants,
right?

2436
02:07:47,080 --> 02:07:49,600
And here in a second, I think
this will tie back into

2437
02:07:49,600 --> 02:07:54,640
sacrifice.
I think with these different

2438
02:07:54,640 --> 02:07:59,600
denominations, these different
within Mormonism, it's all about

2439
02:07:59,600 --> 02:08:01,840
the covenant that you want to
live up to.

2440
02:08:02,120 --> 02:08:05,880
Yeah, right.
And and not in a bad way, like,

2441
02:08:05,920 --> 02:08:07,840
oh, well, look at me.
I'm I'm willing to live this

2442
02:08:07,840 --> 02:08:09,840
covenant and you're not, not
that way.

2443
02:08:10,280 --> 02:08:13,680
But what are you capable of?
What do you want to do?

2444
02:08:13,880 --> 02:08:16,760
What are you willing to
sacrifice to get there?

2445
02:08:17,040 --> 02:08:21,640
Because each one of these
covenants, it's kind of like the

2446
02:08:21,640 --> 02:08:23,680
Constitution, right?
And it's something that's been

2447
02:08:23,680 --> 02:08:27,080
driving me nuts as of late.
People will say, well, that's my

2448
02:08:27,080 --> 02:08:29,640
right and they're correct.
That is your right.

2449
02:08:30,800 --> 02:08:34,680
But I think it's an eternal law.
I can't prove it yet, but I'm

2450
02:08:34,680 --> 02:08:36,920
working on it.
I think there's an eternal law

2451
02:08:36,920 --> 02:08:39,880
that with each right, there
comes a responsibility.

2452
02:08:40,720 --> 02:08:42,920
OK, let's follow that through
then.

2453
02:08:42,920 --> 02:08:48,960
So within Mormonism, if there is
a for every covenant we have,

2454
02:08:49,640 --> 02:08:53,720
there's a responsibility, right?
And what I'm finding is, is that

2455
02:08:53,720 --> 02:08:57,160
most of those responsibilities,
they're sacrificial.

2456
02:08:57,160 --> 02:08:58,800
In Nature, 100.
Percent right.

2457
02:08:59,080 --> 02:09:00,960
And so that's how it ties back
in, right?

2458
02:09:01,160 --> 02:09:05,160
What are you willing to
sacrifice to get to where you

2459
02:09:05,160 --> 02:09:07,960
want to be?
And that's not asking the

2460
02:09:07,960 --> 02:09:11,040
question in a judgy way.
That should be a question we

2461
02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:13,560
always ask ourselves.
That gives us pause and self

2462
02:09:13,560 --> 02:09:16,840
reflection and one, are we
willing to do that?

2463
02:09:16,840 --> 02:09:20,080
And then two, if we are, what
kind of steps are we taking to

2464
02:09:20,080 --> 02:09:21,840
get there?
Are we making the necessary

2465
02:09:21,840 --> 02:09:25,200
sacrifices to attain that?
Goal, I mean, I mean, see that

2466
02:09:25,200 --> 02:09:28,480
in the family model, if you, if
you want to be a free teenager

2467
02:09:28,480 --> 02:09:31,400
and not have any responsibility,
then then great, you can do

2468
02:09:31,400 --> 02:09:33,480
that.
If you want to have a wife,

2469
02:09:33,520 --> 02:09:35,440
well, sacrifices have to be
made.

2470
02:09:35,520 --> 02:09:37,240
They just well, and that's
great.

2471
02:09:37,240 --> 02:09:39,040
You can just be a wife, you
know, you and your wife and

2472
02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:41,600
you're pretty free.
But if you want to have a child,

2473
02:09:41,720 --> 02:09:44,240
well, more sacrifice for you.
So every blessing there's a

2474
02:09:44,240 --> 02:09:45,800
sacrifice.
You know, I'm saying it has to

2475
02:09:45,800 --> 02:09:50,240
be, it has to be paid off.
And then the other thing that's

2476
02:09:50,240 --> 02:09:54,600
important to remember, I love
what Christ says.

2477
02:09:55,640 --> 02:09:57,560
Essentially it's apostles come
up and they're like, Hey, you

2478
02:09:57,560 --> 02:10:00,160
know, we found this, we found
this guy and he's casting out

2479
02:10:00,160 --> 02:10:02,760
devils in your name and he's
healing the sick and whatever in

2480
02:10:02,760 --> 02:10:04,440
your name.
And, and like, we told them to

2481
02:10:04,440 --> 02:10:05,960
knock it off because he's not a
part of our group.

2482
02:10:05,960 --> 02:10:07,800
But since they understand like
we never, we don't know.

2483
02:10:08,040 --> 02:10:10,640
And Christ is like, Hey, if he's
not against this, he's for us.

2484
02:10:10,640 --> 02:10:13,720
You know what I'm saying?
It's, it's, it's, it's more of a

2485
02:10:14,440 --> 02:10:18,120
it, you can see that Christ is
like, don't wait.

2486
02:10:18,120 --> 02:10:19,880
And I've, I found this in
myself.

2487
02:10:19,920 --> 02:10:26,240
Don't waste your time on
fighting because ultimately I

2488
02:10:26,240 --> 02:10:28,040
think God has a lot bigger
picture.

2489
02:10:28,200 --> 02:10:31,200
And I, I, I instinctively know
that I can't help everybody.

2490
02:10:32,880 --> 02:10:35,280
I can only help the people that
are interested in what I have to

2491
02:10:35,280 --> 02:10:37,280
offer.
But there's such a spectrum of

2492
02:10:37,280 --> 02:10:40,080
God's children that he's going
to use everybody on their level

2493
02:10:40,360 --> 02:10:43,360
to help up to a certain point.
And we, if we're sitting there

2494
02:10:43,360 --> 02:10:47,680
saying it's actually, I see it
damaging on one hand because

2495
02:10:48,200 --> 02:10:53,120
people have a, I just take
anybody, if you're obedient to

2496
02:10:53,120 --> 02:10:56,160
the knowledge you have, then
God's Spirit is going to come in

2497
02:10:56,160 --> 02:10:58,200
and be like, you're on the right
track, right, Right.

2498
02:10:58,280 --> 02:11:01,560
And so ultimately somebody is
obedient and they have a serious

2499
02:11:01,560 --> 02:11:03,200
lack of knowledge, but it's all
they can take.

2500
02:11:03,320 --> 02:11:05,160
They're obedient that God's
Spirit comes and says, yeah,

2501
02:11:05,160 --> 02:11:07,080
let's just say they're obedient
to, hey, you need to be

2502
02:11:07,080 --> 02:11:08,680
baptized.
They read the Scriptures And so

2503
02:11:08,680 --> 02:11:11,200
they'll go find the nearest
person that they feel like could

2504
02:11:11,200 --> 02:11:12,280
baptize them and they're
baptized.

2505
02:11:12,560 --> 02:11:13,960
I can see all day.
Well, that person don't have the

2506
02:11:13,960 --> 02:11:16,360
authority, but that that person.
I don't.

2507
02:11:16,360 --> 02:11:17,840
I believe when they say the Holy
Spirit was there.

2508
02:11:17,840 --> 02:11:19,720
Well, yeah, because you're
obedient to the level of

2509
02:11:19,720 --> 02:11:21,200
knowledge you had.
Now, if you continue to be

2510
02:11:21,200 --> 02:11:23,880
obedient, God's going to
continue to lead you right as as

2511
02:11:23,880 --> 02:11:27,760
far as you want to go.
But if we're too busy saying no,

2512
02:11:27,760 --> 02:11:32,080
that that couldn't have been
God's Spirit, we we end up

2513
02:11:32,080 --> 02:11:35,160
undermining God's work because
he's leading people from zero

2514
02:11:35,280 --> 02:11:37,440
all the way.
To where they're going to be.

2515
02:11:37,880 --> 02:11:40,000
And the thing that I find
fascinating about the

2516
02:11:40,000 --> 02:11:47,320
restoration is you'll see that
people who who don't the

2517
02:11:47,320 --> 02:11:51,240
restoration is one of the only
definitely does the best job at

2518
02:11:51,240 --> 02:11:59,840
a whole no theology, but it's
one of the the only Christian

2519
02:11:59,840 --> 02:12:02,480
religions that that spell out
your full potential.

2520
02:12:02,680 --> 02:12:04,760
Every other Christian nomination
says, well, that's blasphemy,

2521
02:12:04,760 --> 02:12:06,960
even though to me it's plain as
they right what we talked about

2522
02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:10,880
right in the in the revelations.
So it's like if you, if you're

2523
02:12:10,880 --> 02:12:14,120
not willing to accept the
knowledge, you don't even you

2524
02:12:14,120 --> 02:12:16,560
don't even want, you don't think
the blessings available.

2525
02:12:16,560 --> 02:12:18,560
It almost looks blasphemous to
you, right?

2526
02:12:18,720 --> 02:12:19,920
That's fine.
You're just not.

2527
02:12:20,000 --> 02:12:22,640
So in other words, I don't have
to say you have to do this, this

2528
02:12:22,640 --> 02:12:26,240
and this if you want this.
It's almost like if you can only

2529
02:12:26,240 --> 02:12:29,160
believe this, then you don't
even think this is available.

2530
02:12:29,600 --> 02:12:31,920
And this is going to sound
self-righteous, but I use it

2531
02:12:31,920 --> 02:12:36,200
kind of a gauge to myself is if
I'm discussing with somebody and

2532
02:12:36,200 --> 02:12:38,200
I'm just like, where in the heck
are they coming from?

2533
02:12:38,520 --> 02:12:40,960
And you want to just like tell
them they're going to hell or

2534
02:12:40,960 --> 02:12:42,240
whatever because they're so
crazy.

2535
02:12:43,360 --> 02:12:46,240
Almost always it's because
they're actually seeing more

2536
02:12:46,240 --> 02:12:49,360
than I'm seeing, not less.
Because every time I'm, if I'm

2537
02:12:49,360 --> 02:12:51,400
seeing more than a person
seeing, I, I can see it's just

2538
02:12:51,400 --> 02:12:57,240
like, OK, man, I want to only
help you if even if it's like

2539
02:12:57,240 --> 02:13:01,040
the tiniest step forward, I can
see where you're at because I'm

2540
02:13:01,200 --> 02:13:03,720
about a bigger picture.
And I'm just going to give you

2541
02:13:03,720 --> 02:13:06,000
the tiniest bit or maybe just
say, good job.

2542
02:13:06,000 --> 02:13:08,440
Just keep, you know what I'm
saying because you're ultimately

2543
02:13:08,440 --> 02:13:11,480
switching from trying to prove,
well, I'm right and you're wrong

2544
02:13:11,480 --> 02:13:14,280
to how can I help you just make
the tiniest step forward.

2545
02:13:14,280 --> 02:13:16,560
You know what I'm saying?
And so I always have to step

2546
02:13:16,560 --> 02:13:22,920
back when I'm getting into
conversations and being like, I

2547
02:13:22,920 --> 02:13:24,560
have no idea where you're coming
from.

2548
02:13:24,960 --> 02:13:27,600
I should know, you know, saying
if you have the bigger picture,

2549
02:13:27,600 --> 02:13:30,040
I'm like, OK, I can see they're
living up to the to the light

2550
02:13:30,040 --> 02:13:32,560
and all that they have.
And that can that spectrum can

2551
02:13:32,560 --> 02:13:37,400
go from almost 0 all the way up.
And so that's, it's funny that

2552
02:13:37,400 --> 02:13:39,840
to me, I mean, it's easy to talk
about.

2553
02:13:39,840 --> 02:13:41,480
It's really hard to actually put
into practice.

2554
02:13:42,080 --> 02:13:43,800
Yeah.
But it's interesting to me that

2555
02:13:43,800 --> 02:13:46,800
the the restoration teaches us
there's in my father's house,

2556
02:13:46,800 --> 02:13:48,640
there's many different kingdoms,
you know what I'm saying?

2557
02:13:48,880 --> 02:13:51,120
But then when we interact with
each other, we seem to forget

2558
02:13:51,120 --> 02:13:52,800
that, forget it.
It's just like, oh.

2559
02:13:54,280 --> 02:13:57,080
We forget it and then we we
start to degrading each other

2560
02:13:57,080 --> 02:14:00,440
because of that.
It's it's a, it's a nasty cycle.

2561
02:14:01,240 --> 02:14:03,800
And, and it's kind of hard to
talk about because it's hard to

2562
02:14:03,800 --> 02:14:07,320
be like, we end up being like,
well, you know, and Father's

2563
02:14:07,320 --> 02:14:08,960
house, there are many kingdoms
and you're down there and I'm

2564
02:14:08,960 --> 02:14:09,920
not bigger, you know what I'm
saying?

2565
02:14:09,920 --> 02:14:12,680
So it's like, how do you, how do
you actually preach the gospel

2566
02:14:12,680 --> 02:14:14,480
without falling into that trap
as well?

2567
02:14:14,920 --> 02:14:17,480
It gets actually harder than you
might think it does.

2568
02:14:17,560 --> 02:14:25,480
But but ultimately, I think that
we have to try to reconcile

2569
02:14:25,560 --> 02:14:28,920
everything that Christ does and
and it's funny, he he says

2570
02:14:28,920 --> 02:14:31,080
something that that always kind
of cracks me up.

2571
02:14:31,360 --> 02:14:35,080
His disciples ask him in the
Kingdom of God.

2572
02:14:35,360 --> 02:14:40,640
Are there many a few and and
this once again, this is going

2573
02:14:40,640 --> 02:14:43,760
to seem kind of contradictory to
the Mormon concept right off the

2574
02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:46,640
right off the gate.
But we would all just assume

2575
02:14:47,040 --> 02:14:50,480
that I think most Christians
would assume that he would be

2576
02:14:50,480 --> 02:14:51,680
like, oh, there's many, you know
what I'm saying?

2577
02:14:51,680 --> 02:14:54,280
Like there's there's many like
that that are going to come to

2578
02:14:54,280 --> 02:14:57,600
me in Christ is like, Oh no,
there's very few straight as the

2579
02:14:57,600 --> 02:15:00,520
gate narrow the way.
So we have to keep that in mind

2580
02:15:01,040 --> 02:15:02,960
when we're when we're walking
with God.

2581
02:15:02,960 --> 02:15:06,120
And and the thing that you got
to ask yourself, bring it back

2582
02:15:06,120 --> 02:15:12,680
to sacrifice, right, is why, why
is why is there so few that find

2583
02:15:12,680 --> 02:15:14,200
it?
Because it's hard.

2584
02:15:14,280 --> 02:15:16,560
In other words, if it's easy,
everyone, everybody goes to

2585
02:15:16,560 --> 02:15:19,160
easy, right, yes.
So when you're on your gospel

2586
02:15:19,160 --> 02:15:24,400
walk and if you're truly on the
right way, it's going to be

2587
02:15:24,400 --> 02:15:26,480
hard.
And I can tell you, like it says

2588
02:15:26,480 --> 02:15:29,320
logically, if it was easy,
everybody would be doing it

2589
02:15:29,600 --> 02:15:32,320
right, You know what I'm saying?
So there's got to be a certain

2590
02:15:32,320 --> 02:15:34,480
amount of sacrifice to to be
what?

2591
02:15:34,480 --> 02:15:37,440
And I think what Christ was
saying is to he who overcomes

2592
02:15:37,600 --> 02:15:39,800
that will sit on my throne even
as I sit above this throne,

2593
02:15:39,800 --> 02:15:40,760
right?
That's what he's saying.

2594
02:15:40,760 --> 02:15:43,360
How many are there?
Every few, you know what I mean,

2595
02:15:43,360 --> 02:15:49,960
like very few are there.
And so you can see that that

2596
02:15:51,080 --> 02:15:55,160
it's, it must be something that
is requiring that's hard to

2597
02:15:55,160 --> 02:15:57,480
understand or hard to accept, or
that's the least just hard to

2598
02:15:57,480 --> 02:15:58,680
do.
You know what I mean?

2599
02:15:59,000 --> 02:16:02,480
And that's why I kind of I don't
want to say it's not fair to

2600
02:16:02,480 --> 02:16:06,560
just say, Oh, the the Christian
concept is completely wrong,

2601
02:16:06,560 --> 02:16:09,400
right?
But I don't even have to ask

2602
02:16:09,400 --> 02:16:11,520
this question because they don't
even offer me what Christ is

2603
02:16:11,520 --> 02:16:13,760
offering me.
They've lost that.

2604
02:16:14,640 --> 02:16:18,000
So the broader the gate and the
more people are there, you'll

2605
02:16:18,000 --> 02:16:20,920
see the fewer there are that
even think they can sit on the

2606
02:16:20,920 --> 02:16:22,840
Father's.
They just they don't even think

2607
02:16:22,840 --> 02:16:24,480
they can.
They don't even have.

2608
02:16:24,480 --> 02:16:26,400
So it's like the knowledge is
tooken from them.

2609
02:16:26,720 --> 02:16:30,760
And so the closer you get and,
and the restoration kind of gets

2610
02:16:30,760 --> 02:16:35,000
you, it's kind of like bringing
you closer and closer in line

2611
02:16:35,000 --> 02:16:41,760
with God and, and ultimately
it's showing you, OK, this is

2612
02:16:41,760 --> 02:16:44,360
your ultimate potential.
But now bring us back full

2613
02:16:44,360 --> 02:16:46,120
circle.
One of the worst things we can

2614
02:16:46,120 --> 02:16:48,840
do is be like, Oh, this is my
full my full potential.

2615
02:16:49,040 --> 02:16:51,040
Well, I'm going to start acting
like I'm that now.

2616
02:16:51,080 --> 02:16:54,120
And that's kind of where the
devil, I think fail on you got

2617
02:16:54,120 --> 02:16:55,840
to wait until you're at you
can't.

2618
02:16:55,840 --> 02:16:58,920
So like I don't want my child to
start acting like the parent in

2619
02:16:58,920 --> 02:17:02,160
the house until the ceremony and
everything is actually who can

2620
02:17:02,160 --> 02:17:05,920
done to A to a full extent.
You know what I'm saying And we

2621
02:17:05,920 --> 02:17:09,400
I think I mean there is some
controversy.

2622
02:17:09,520 --> 02:17:13,520
I mean varying opinions, but but
I I hold to the to the full

2623
02:17:13,520 --> 02:17:15,600
extent of that is everything man
can do.

2624
02:17:15,600 --> 02:17:20,160
And then you're calling election
made sure is when Christ lays

2625
02:17:20,160 --> 02:17:23,480
his hands on your head and says
OK, yeah, that's a capstone

2626
02:17:23,480 --> 02:17:25,160
right.
So we can do, it's kind of like

2627
02:17:25,160 --> 02:17:28,520
baptism starts with, you know,
the priest can baptize your, but

2628
02:17:28,840 --> 02:17:30,879
then you're supposed to get the
baptism of the Holy Spirit,

2629
02:17:30,879 --> 02:17:31,879
right?
So there's a spiritual

2630
02:17:31,879 --> 02:17:33,959
component.
I kind of think all ordinance,

2631
02:17:33,959 --> 02:17:36,000
all the ordinances have the
physical side.

2632
02:17:36,000 --> 02:17:38,719
And then it's your
responsibility to seek out the

2633
02:17:38,719 --> 02:17:41,639
spiritual affirmation of that.
And that can happen immediately

2634
02:17:41,639 --> 02:17:43,080
or it can take years, you know
what I'm saying?

2635
02:17:43,320 --> 02:17:47,080
But the cool thing about on our
side is, is we're not to treat

2636
02:17:47,080 --> 02:17:48,639
each other like it hasn't
happened.

2637
02:17:48,639 --> 02:17:53,959
Like when I baptize, when I
baptize somebody, I'm not going

2638
02:17:53,959 --> 02:17:55,639
to be like, well, you haven't
received the baptism of fire, so

2639
02:17:55,639 --> 02:17:59,120
you're not actually a member.
Once I do that, I, I treat them

2640
02:17:59,120 --> 02:18:01,799
on faith that they are a full
member and that will actually

2641
02:18:01,799 --> 02:18:03,959
help them get their baptism of
fire, right?

2642
02:18:04,480 --> 02:18:07,240
It'll help them.
So, so it's like it's our way of

2643
02:18:08,400 --> 02:18:11,799
we're supposed to treat each
other as if on the physical side

2644
02:18:12,600 --> 02:18:14,879
and it just brings order too in
the workhouse, right.

2645
02:18:14,920 --> 02:18:17,520
Anyway, I don't.
Know no, it absolutely does.

2646
02:18:18,120 --> 02:18:20,600
What do you think prevents us as
people from making the

2647
02:18:20,600 --> 02:18:23,160
sacrifices necessary to reach
those goals?

2648
02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:28,240
Well, one thing that's
interesting just about the very

2649
02:18:28,240 --> 02:18:31,959
nature sacrifice is, is if it
doesn't hurt, it probably wasn't

2650
02:18:31,959 --> 02:18:34,520
sacrifice, right?
It's the very definition of

2651
02:18:34,520 --> 02:18:37,240
sacrifice is like, give it up.
Yeah, exactly.

2652
02:18:37,280 --> 02:18:38,200
It's got to hurt a little
better.

2653
02:18:38,200 --> 02:18:44,080
It's not a sacrifice, you know.
And so I think that just that in

2654
02:18:44,080 --> 02:18:49,280
itself prevents us because it's,
it's not natural and, and it

2655
02:18:49,280 --> 02:18:51,120
hurts.
And then the other thing I find

2656
02:18:51,120 --> 02:18:55,639
for myself is #2A lack of faith.
Well, is, and that's important.

2657
02:18:55,639 --> 02:18:58,200
I'm not even down on this
because you want to make the

2658
02:18:58,200 --> 02:19:00,040
right sacrifices.
And that's kind of between you

2659
02:19:00,040 --> 02:19:01,040
and God.
You need to have that

2660
02:19:01,080 --> 02:19:04,080
relationship, which is as soon
as you're baptized, you have

2661
02:19:04,080 --> 02:19:05,680
access to the Holy Ghost to help
you.

2662
02:19:05,680 --> 02:19:07,280
And there's the section of the
Book Mormon that says, you know,

2663
02:19:07,280 --> 02:19:10,280
I, I perceived that many of you
are asking, you know, what do we

2664
02:19:10,280 --> 02:19:11,719
do now that we're baptized?
Like, don't you know, you're

2665
02:19:11,719 --> 02:19:15,120
going to the Holy Ghost?
Like so start and, and you kind

2666
02:19:15,120 --> 02:19:20,080
of hit on it of of you know, you
had this thought enter into your

2667
02:19:20,080 --> 02:19:21,120
head, right?
You know what I'm saying?

2668
02:19:21,200 --> 02:19:25,840
It's like the more we pay
attention, the more that you'll

2669
02:19:25,840 --> 02:19:28,480
realize that not all thoughts
are yours and not all thoughts

2670
02:19:28,480 --> 02:19:30,440
are gods.
And Joe Smith makes the point

2671
02:19:30,440 --> 02:19:33,120
that there's that there's three
spirits which work upon a man,

2672
02:19:33,120 --> 02:19:35,120
the spirit of God, the spirit of
devil and the spirit of man.

2673
02:19:35,440 --> 02:19:39,160
And those are those are the the
thoughts that are entering into

2674
02:19:39,160 --> 02:19:40,680
your head.
I think most times.

2675
02:19:40,719 --> 02:19:49,120
I think so.
But but taking it back to to how

2676
02:19:49,120 --> 02:19:53,800
we, how we get that information,
and I've kind of talked about

2677
02:19:53,800 --> 02:19:58,320
this before, the temple lays out
a very interesting thing that I

2678
02:19:58,320 --> 02:20:01,080
think we have to take into
consideration that is you don't

2679
02:20:01,080 --> 02:20:04,760
just you don't drag God into
your everyday life.

2680
02:20:04,760 --> 02:20:06,520
And it sounds bad, right?
So just hear me out on this.

2681
02:20:06,960 --> 02:20:08,960
Because there's a, there's a
misconception of, you know, and

2682
02:20:08,960 --> 02:20:09,920
we, I think we know these
people.

2683
02:20:09,920 --> 02:20:12,840
It's just like, you know, well,
God told me this and God told me

2684
02:20:12,840 --> 02:20:14,880
that.
And oh, you know, my dryer broke

2685
02:20:14,880 --> 02:20:17,600
and God told me that the devil
did this, you know what I'm

2686
02:20:17,600 --> 02:20:18,520
saying?
Took out my dryer.

2687
02:20:18,520 --> 02:20:24,240
And it's just like, you'll see
those people, they don't

2688
02:20:24,240 --> 02:20:27,880
realize.
But if you drag God down, you

2689
02:20:27,880 --> 02:20:29,520
can't.
And you're not setting yourself

2690
02:20:29,520 --> 02:20:31,800
up, bringing yourself up.
Then you can't tell the

2691
02:20:31,800 --> 02:20:33,920
difference between your own
thoughts and the Holy Spirit.

2692
02:20:33,920 --> 02:20:36,480
No, that just it just.
Ends up being a mess because

2693
02:20:36,480 --> 02:20:39,400
half the time you're speaking,
you think it's God and it's the

2694
02:20:39,400 --> 02:20:41,120
devil.
I'm sorry saying half time it's

2695
02:20:41,120 --> 02:20:44,600
just your own crazy thoughts.
Sometimes it may be God, but we

2696
02:20:44,600 --> 02:20:48,520
lack the ability to really
separate that.

2697
02:20:49,480 --> 02:20:52,920
And the most dangerous part is,
is the the well I should put

2698
02:20:52,920 --> 02:20:55,600
this way, the temple teaches,
OK, set yourself apart and

2699
02:20:55,600 --> 02:20:57,880
ascend right.
And we don't do fasting through

2700
02:20:57,880 --> 02:20:59,960
there's different ways that you
can do this, but it's not just

2701
02:20:59,960 --> 02:21:05,800
like you bring yourself up and
you start the closer you get to

2702
02:21:05,800 --> 02:21:09,080
God, the, the, the, the more
clear you can hear him.

2703
02:21:09,640 --> 02:21:14,000
But the danger is, is then when
you fall back down you, it's a

2704
02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:16,520
weird thing, but you don't know
you fell, you know what I mean?

2705
02:21:16,920 --> 02:21:18,600
So you're just like, Oh yeah, I
know what the Spirit of God is.

2706
02:21:19,040 --> 02:21:21,200
Well, you, you, you probably
need to check yourself and be

2707
02:21:21,200 --> 02:21:23,480
like, I am, am I setting myself
apart?

2708
02:21:23,480 --> 02:21:26,080
Am I, am I bringing myself back
into sacred space?

2709
02:21:27,880 --> 02:21:38,600
And so we I don't want to just
say you need to the Holy Ghost

2710
02:21:38,600 --> 02:21:41,280
is a crystal ball that you know,
you just check in and whatever.

2711
02:21:41,600 --> 02:21:45,600
So but yet it's also just as
true as once you're baptized,

2712
02:21:45,600 --> 02:21:47,880
you need to figure out how to
set yourself apart, ascend that

2713
02:21:47,880 --> 02:21:53,320
mountain and you need to check
in with the Lord and he needs to

2714
02:21:55,640 --> 02:21:57,560
bear witness of the sacrifice
you need to make right.

2715
02:21:57,560 --> 02:21:59,120
Bring it back to Wyden make the
sacrifice.

2716
02:21:59,600 --> 02:22:02,520
So that's what just miss says we
may do all things except what

2717
02:22:02,520 --> 02:22:03,560
God wants us to do and come up
short.

2718
02:22:03,560 --> 02:22:05,440
You know what I'm saying?
So it's not about just Hail Mary

2719
02:22:05,440 --> 02:22:06,880
and sacrifices out there, right?
Because.

2720
02:22:08,600 --> 02:22:11,760
Right.
We want to actually check in and

2721
02:22:11,760 --> 02:22:16,440
say, so I think that if a lot of
it, if we're, if we're failing

2722
02:22:16,440 --> 02:22:19,520
to make sacrifices because we
don't actually have faith that

2723
02:22:19,520 --> 02:22:22,080
God wants us to make the
sacrifice to most good people,

2724
02:22:23,080 --> 02:22:26,040
because if it's a sacrifice,
it's hard.

2725
02:22:26,280 --> 02:22:29,200
So the first thing that you
probably need to be working on

2726
02:22:29,200 --> 02:22:32,680
is, is gaining that testimony
of, Hey, is this sacrifice God

2727
02:22:32,680 --> 02:22:34,560
wants me to make?
And once you kind of get that

2728
02:22:34,560 --> 02:22:37,200
witness, well then do it.
You know, I'm saying go, right.

2729
02:22:39,960 --> 02:22:42,280
So that's one thing.
I think that keeps us away from

2730
02:22:42,280 --> 02:22:44,840
living a sacrificial life.
And then the other thing is it's

2731
02:22:44,840 --> 02:22:49,280
like I said, there's just, and I
will say that this is, this is

2732
02:22:49,280 --> 02:22:50,960
the adversary, right?
He's just like, no, what do you

2733
02:22:50,960 --> 02:22:52,120
want?
You know, what do you, what do

2734
02:22:52,120 --> 02:22:54,320
you want to do?
And, and I think if any of us

2735
02:22:54,320 --> 02:22:56,520
are honest with ourselves, it's
like, well, I just, I, I want to

2736
02:22:56,520 --> 02:22:58,000
be comfortable.
I want, I don't want to put

2737
02:22:58,000 --> 02:22:59,240
myself out.
I don't want to sacrifice

2738
02:22:59,240 --> 02:23:00,320
nothing.
You know what I'm saying?

2739
02:23:00,320 --> 02:23:05,320
So to how can I get what, what
makes me quote UN quote, the

2740
02:23:05,320 --> 02:23:06,600
most happy, right.
Yeah.

2741
02:23:06,800 --> 02:23:08,480
How can I get what makes me the
most happy?

2742
02:23:09,040 --> 02:23:11,240
That's that's.
And we screw our lives up every

2743
02:23:11,240 --> 02:23:12,840
time by chasing what we think
makes happy.

2744
02:23:12,840 --> 02:23:16,560
Like every rich person that has
come to the sound happiness will

2745
02:23:16,560 --> 02:23:19,360
testify this.
And and in fact, I found there

2746
02:23:19,480 --> 02:23:20,760
was another preacher that was
talking.

2747
02:23:20,760 --> 02:23:22,720
He says, I don't remember who it
was.

2748
02:23:22,720 --> 02:23:25,120
It was it's pretty ain't it's
it's not someone that's live

2749
02:23:25,120 --> 02:23:27,200
now.
But but he said my favorite

2750
02:23:27,200 --> 02:23:30,560
people to actually preach the
gospel to are rich people, which

2751
02:23:30,560 --> 02:23:33,520
is like what?
And he says, because the rich

2752
02:23:33,520 --> 02:23:35,520
people that are ready to hear
the gospel, they already know

2753
02:23:35,520 --> 02:23:36,840
their riches can't make them
happy.

2754
02:23:36,840 --> 02:23:38,080
So they're they're actually
sincere.

2755
02:23:38,080 --> 02:23:40,120
He says, the poor people, I
can't ever get through to them.

2756
02:23:41,320 --> 02:23:43,400
No matter how much they try,
they still think somehow that

2757
02:23:43,400 --> 02:23:45,360
money and riches is going to
make them happy.

2758
02:23:45,360 --> 02:23:48,680
So he's like, the people end up,
I end up having more success

2759
02:23:48,680 --> 02:23:51,400
when they're ready, they're just
like, Hey, I I'm miserable and I

2760
02:23:51,400 --> 02:23:56,880
have all the money in the world.
And and so, you know, there's a

2761
02:23:56,880 --> 02:24:01,920
certain amount of of if we need
to be really careful on that,

2762
02:24:02,320 --> 02:24:04,600
that thoughts that come around
just like, you know, what do you

2763
02:24:04,600 --> 02:24:05,800
want?
What makes you happy?

2764
02:24:06,400 --> 02:24:07,840
And we're like, well, what makes
me happy?

2765
02:24:07,840 --> 02:24:10,080
He's watching football and not
going to church and not

2766
02:24:10,240 --> 02:24:12,600
sacrificing and just eating
pizza and eating.

2767
02:24:12,920 --> 02:24:15,040
We can take it to our diet, not,
you know, just eating whatever I

2768
02:24:15,040 --> 02:24:17,880
want that makes me happy.
And before long will our health

2769
02:24:17,880 --> 02:24:20,440
will be gone, you know, fat,
lazy and not productive.

2770
02:24:20,440 --> 02:24:21,960
We'll probably lose our family,
you know what I'm saying?

2771
02:24:21,960 --> 02:24:24,480
We'll be miserable.
It just it's like a it's like

2772
02:24:24,480 --> 02:24:27,800
so, so don't buy into that
temptation.

2773
02:24:27,800 --> 02:24:30,400
That's basically what.
I'm saying, yeah, you know, I, I

2774
02:24:30,400 --> 02:24:32,960
think you're right.
And, and look, I do think it has

2775
02:24:32,960 --> 02:24:34,680
to hurt a little, right?
Well.

2776
02:24:35,320 --> 02:24:36,400
If it doesn't, it's not a
sacrifice.

2777
02:24:36,400 --> 02:24:41,200
If if I go to the gym and I work
out with 5 LB weights, may I

2778
02:24:41,200 --> 02:24:44,400
promise you I'm not going to
hurt, but I can also promise you

2779
02:24:44,400 --> 02:24:46,480
I ain't making any progress
either.

2780
02:24:46,520 --> 02:24:49,560
I'm not getting stronger.
I'm not doing what it is I need

2781
02:24:49,560 --> 02:24:52,480
to do, right?
There is a trade off, right?

2782
02:24:52,480 --> 02:24:56,120
Again, with every right, there's
a responsibility and with every

2783
02:24:56,120 --> 02:24:58,480
covenant there's a sacrifice,
right?

2784
02:24:58,800 --> 02:25:02,040
Well, what am I sacrificing?
Well, sacrificing a little bit

2785
02:25:02,040 --> 02:25:07,000
of time and I'm sacrificing my
comfort, right?

2786
02:25:07,600 --> 02:25:14,160
But here's the other thing.
If, and this is just me, I I

2787
02:25:14,160 --> 02:25:16,600
want to point this out.
I'm not saying anyone else has

2788
02:25:16,600 --> 02:25:25,640
to think of it this way.
If I'm too comfortable, I tend

2789
02:25:25,640 --> 02:25:34,400
to go well, what I miss right?
What I miss, because again, it's

2790
02:25:34,400 --> 02:25:39,840
usually through discomfort that
we start to grow and so we

2791
02:25:39,840 --> 02:25:42,840
better get real comfortable with
the idea of being uncomfortable

2792
02:25:43,240 --> 02:25:47,560
because the Lord's going to
always ask you for more, right?

2793
02:25:47,760 --> 02:25:49,720
And that's good.
That's good.

2794
02:25:49,720 --> 02:25:53,880
That's a good thing, right?
That's like pushing yourself at

2795
02:25:53,880 --> 02:25:57,560
the gym and like, you know what,
I just benched, I just benched

2796
02:25:57,560 --> 02:25:59,320
you 95.
I think I can get three O 5,

2797
02:25:59,640 --> 02:26:01,160
right?
I think I can do this.

2798
02:26:01,600 --> 02:26:03,960
Now.
The other thing I'll say to that

2799
02:26:04,240 --> 02:26:10,680
is in making those sacrifices,
and you alluded to this and

2800
02:26:10,680 --> 02:26:15,960
talked about this, there's joy.
There's joy to be found in that

2801
02:26:15,960 --> 02:26:18,680
process.
Would you ever not want to be

2802
02:26:18,680 --> 02:26:19,720
married now?
No.

2803
02:26:20,520 --> 02:26:21,800
Me neither.
That's the best thing I did.

2804
02:26:21,800 --> 02:26:23,520
Me neither.
How hard is marriage?

2805
02:26:23,680 --> 02:26:27,480
It can be pretty hard.
OK, so the thing that the the

2806
02:26:27,480 --> 02:26:30,560
thing that we work the hardest
on makes us the most happy,

2807
02:26:31,360 --> 02:26:33,320
right?
And I think that's how we have

2808
02:26:33,320 --> 02:26:38,960
to view sacrifice in that way,
because there's been all sorts

2809
02:26:38,960 --> 02:26:41,440
of studies done, right?
If you're not a God person,

2810
02:26:41,440 --> 02:26:44,320
you'll say it's evolution.
If you are a God guy, you'll say

2811
02:26:44,320 --> 02:26:48,640
it's divine program, right?
But typically we want to get the

2812
02:26:48,640 --> 02:26:51,760
most bang for our buck, right,
Whether we're chasing calories

2813
02:26:51,760 --> 02:26:55,040
or whether we're we're, you
know, the labor that produces

2814
02:26:55,040 --> 02:26:59,280
the most or, or the most gains
you can have with a few least

2815
02:26:59,280 --> 02:27:03,360
labor as possible.
And so we're, we're naturally

2816
02:27:03,360 --> 02:27:08,240
kind of wired that way probably
for our survival, but that

2817
02:27:08,240 --> 02:27:11,280
doesn't translate over into the
spiritual necessarily all the

2818
02:27:11,280 --> 02:27:14,120
time, right?
So you got, you got to be really

2819
02:27:14,120 --> 02:27:16,360
comfortable with being
uncomfortable, I think in order

2820
02:27:16,360 --> 02:27:20,000
to get the gains you want to get
spiritually and end up there.

2821
02:27:20,600 --> 02:27:22,280
So.
I take the quick break.

2822
02:27:22,560 --> 02:27:24,600
Yeah, absolutely.
All right, So anything else you

2823
02:27:24,600 --> 02:27:26,160
want covered, You feel like we
got it.

2824
02:27:27,200 --> 02:27:29,600
Got we We cover your thoughts
there, Seth.

2825
02:27:31,120 --> 02:27:34,680
Yeah, I think, I think that's
pretty much covered everything.

2826
02:27:34,680 --> 02:27:36,360
I mean, we covered a lot of
things, so we did.

2827
02:27:36,440 --> 02:27:38,800
Cover a lot of things.
That's the nature of this show.

2828
02:27:38,920 --> 02:27:41,200
It really is.
It just goes off on tangents and

2829
02:27:41,200 --> 02:27:43,520
comes back.
But here's the interesting

2830
02:27:43,520 --> 02:27:45,800
thing.
Early on, I tried to script it

2831
02:27:46,200 --> 02:27:49,800
right, and I hated it.
Yeah, I hated.

2832
02:27:50,080 --> 02:27:52,640
It.
And so I'm like, OK, this is,

2833
02:27:52,640 --> 02:27:55,480
this is what I'm going to do
because I, I, you know, I

2834
02:27:55,480 --> 02:27:58,480
shouldn't say script because a
conversation is never scripted.

2835
02:27:58,480 --> 02:28:01,360
Yeah, but there would, I would
have a little thing in front of

2836
02:28:01,360 --> 02:28:02,320
me.
I'm like, I want to hit this

2837
02:28:02,320 --> 02:28:04,160
point, I want to hit this point,
I want to hit this point and I

2838
02:28:04,160 --> 02:28:08,960
want to hit this point.
Well, what I discovered is, is

2839
02:28:10,160 --> 02:28:12,480
often times doing that
everything felt forced.

2840
02:28:12,480 --> 02:28:16,200
It didn't feel good.
And then often times I wasn't

2841
02:28:16,200 --> 02:28:18,280
getting the depth of
conversation I was hoping to

2842
02:28:18,280 --> 02:28:19,960
get.
So I I get away with that.

2843
02:28:19,960 --> 02:28:23,280
I just said here we go.
This will end exactly like it's

2844
02:28:23,280 --> 02:28:25,280
supposed to.
And as I've done that, and when

2845
02:28:25,320 --> 02:28:28,600
I always say a prayer before I
get going, it always comes out.

2846
02:28:28,600 --> 02:28:31,280
And I feel like we did a real
good job here, especially you

2847
02:28:31,280 --> 02:28:33,240
of, of laying out this law of
sacrifice.

2848
02:28:33,240 --> 02:28:35,440
So do it again.
I appreciate you.

2849
02:28:35,440 --> 02:28:38,160
I know you're super busy and I
appreciate you taking a couple

2850
02:28:38,160 --> 02:28:40,920
hours here.
Yeah, no, it's absolutely my

2851
02:28:40,920 --> 02:28:42,320
pleasure.
Like I said, I love, I love

2852
02:28:42,320 --> 02:28:44,720
talking the gospel.
It's my favorite thing.

2853
02:28:44,720 --> 02:28:47,560
And it's awesome to have people
that actually want to listen,

2854
02:28:47,560 --> 02:28:49,200
you know what I'm saying?
Because it's actually kind of a

2855
02:28:49,200 --> 02:28:51,840
dying thing.
And you know, there's football

2856
02:28:51,920 --> 02:28:54,280
that you could be listening,
Right, Right, right.

2857
02:28:54,720 --> 02:28:57,840
Right, which I may take an
opportunity to from time to

2858
02:28:57,920 --> 02:29:01,400
time, so.
Yeah, no, just I think bringing

2859
02:29:01,400 --> 02:29:04,840
it, you know, closing it up is
just realizing that the

2860
02:29:04,840 --> 02:29:08,400
foundation starts off as
sacrifice, but not necessarily

2861
02:29:08,400 --> 02:29:11,520
asking you to to make the
sacrifice.

2862
02:29:11,520 --> 02:29:14,080
It's pointing your mind to
somebody made a sacrifice on

2863
02:29:14,080 --> 02:29:17,880
your behalf.
But then at the at the end, we

2864
02:29:17,880 --> 02:29:19,640
talked about at the beginning in
consecration.

2865
02:29:20,080 --> 02:29:23,240
Now when you, when you make the
full circle and, and move

2866
02:29:23,240 --> 02:29:26,880
through the different layers and
degrees you end with, well, it's

2867
02:29:26,880 --> 02:29:29,920
time for you to sacrifice.
But you will want to, I promise

2868
02:29:29,920 --> 02:29:32,200
you, once you, once you realize
it, you know what I'm saying?

2869
02:29:32,200 --> 02:29:34,800
Because we get to learn by trial
and error and we get start small

2870
02:29:35,200 --> 02:29:37,640
and get big.
That that's The thing is

2871
02:29:38,560 --> 02:29:40,320
sacrifice.
The word sacrifice shouldn't

2872
02:29:40,320 --> 02:29:44,440
scare us because at its
foundation, it's that somebody

2873
02:29:44,440 --> 02:29:46,200
did something for you that you
couldn't do for yourself.

2874
02:29:46,200 --> 02:29:47,360
That's the most beautiful thing
ever.

2875
02:29:47,360 --> 02:29:52,200
So right, if you start off on
that rejoicing platform, then

2876
02:29:52,200 --> 02:29:53,920
it's then you're like, well, I
want to do that.

2877
02:29:53,920 --> 02:29:56,040
I want to help like I was
helped, you know what I'm

2878
02:29:56,040 --> 02:29:57,280
saying?
And each time you, each time you

2879
02:29:57,280 --> 02:30:00,240
get greater depth on that, then
you want to help a little more

2880
02:30:00,240 --> 02:30:01,400
and then you get more joy from
it.

2881
02:30:01,400 --> 02:30:05,320
So hey, it starts, it starts,
it's kind of the foundation and

2882
02:30:05,320 --> 02:30:08,920
then the capstone and sacrifices
literally everything in between

2883
02:30:08,920 --> 02:30:10,560
as well.
So.

2884
02:30:11,440 --> 02:30:14,040
No, I think that's beautiful.
I'll I'll end with this.

2885
02:30:16,080 --> 02:30:19,240
And I'm I'm a guy that typically
doesn't blow a lot of smoke or

2886
02:30:19,240 --> 02:30:21,080
sunshine.
I just usually try to cut to the

2887
02:30:21,080 --> 02:30:27,000
point.
I've got such respect for your

2888
02:30:27,000 --> 02:30:30,360
grandfather and your grandma
when I see what they did when

2889
02:30:30,360 --> 02:30:34,600
they came out here and kind of
redid the I shouldn't say redid

2890
02:30:34,600 --> 02:30:38,280
the restoration, but kind of ran
through those same steps all

2891
02:30:38,280 --> 02:30:41,040
over again.
There's they and they

2892
02:30:41,040 --> 02:30:43,520
sacrificed, right?
I've heard of just a few of the

2893
02:30:43,520 --> 02:30:45,960
stories.
I'm like, not me.

2894
02:30:46,240 --> 02:30:52,000
I mean, like they really
sacrificed them and they did it

2895
02:30:53,480 --> 02:30:56,440
so that one of the things that
can people could be blessed with

2896
02:30:56,440 --> 02:30:58,680
is a guy like me could show up
to Missouri and have some

2897
02:30:58,680 --> 02:30:59,720
people.
Right?

2898
02:31:00,320 --> 02:31:05,240
And and I want to end with that
because again, I want to go back

2899
02:31:05,240 --> 02:31:08,440
to that quote.
What we do now echoes through

2900
02:31:08,440 --> 02:31:11,520
eternity.
And if what if we want that?

2901
02:31:12,800 --> 02:31:16,680
The surefire way to get there is
to sacrifice our will to the

2902
02:31:16,680 --> 02:31:23,040
fathers do what he asks us to
do, stick to it, and then let

2903
02:31:23,040 --> 02:31:25,600
the blessings come as he sees
fit to bestow him.

2904
02:31:26,120 --> 02:31:31,120
And that's that's something I
think we we need to keep in in

2905
02:31:31,680 --> 02:31:36,720
in the front of our minds.
And also sacrifice brings joy,

2906
02:31:37,520 --> 02:31:39,560
period.
And that's, and that's what we

2907
02:31:39,560 --> 02:31:43,160
need to remember, is that not
only will sacrifice cause us to

2908
02:31:43,160 --> 02:31:47,200
grow, not only will sacrifice
from time to time cause us to

2909
02:31:47,200 --> 02:31:52,360
have some very uncomfortable
moments, but the end that that's

2910
02:31:52,360 --> 02:31:55,680
the surefire way to find joy in
this thing is to sacrifice.

2911
02:31:55,880 --> 02:31:59,120
It doesn't, it doesn't work in
the world's framework, but it

2912
02:31:59,120 --> 02:32:04,000
works within the restoration and
within, within God's economy.

2913
02:32:04,160 --> 02:32:06,400
And sacrifice is the key to a
lot of that.

2914
02:32:07,080 --> 02:32:09,640
No, if you're, if you're well,
like unless you're myself.

2915
02:32:09,640 --> 02:32:11,680
But when I'm miserable, it's
just because I know I'm not

2916
02:32:11,680 --> 02:32:13,520
doing what I know God wants me
to do, right?

2917
02:32:13,520 --> 02:32:15,480
And I'm not living up to the
knowledge I have.

2918
02:32:15,960 --> 02:32:19,080
And when I am, I feel great.
I'm not I feel horrible, which

2919
02:32:19,080 --> 02:32:22,000
is dying into I'm just not.
I'm not able to sacrifice what I

2920
02:32:22,000 --> 02:32:24,680
need to to.
So hey, it's it's true.

2921
02:32:25,040 --> 02:32:27,720
Absolutely true dude.
Good stuff, I appreciate it.

2922
02:32:27,840 --> 02:32:28,920
All right, Yeah, it's a
pleasure.

2923
02:32:29,560 --> 02:33:02,640
Bye everybody.
You're listening to the Mormon

2924
02:33:02,640 --> 02:33:04,040
Renegade podcast.