Episode #171: Temple Series PT 1: The Spirit Of Elijah W/Ann Hatch

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The you're listening to the
Mormon Renegade podcast and

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you've reached that stage in
life now, right?

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You're now the official like
genealogy lady.

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Oh gosh, you know my 14 year old
self would not be really happy

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with that right now.
I I know, I know.

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But, and this is the part that
people don't get is the, the

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relationship that you and I
have, right?

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I mean, you've often said, Dave,
you're like the annoying little

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brother I never wanted.
And I've often said you're like

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the abusive older sister that
only wished she could have held

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my head underwater in the
bathtub.

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So I mean.
It's more like flushing the

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toilet I think.
Well, yeah, either or.

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I mean, whatever, Tomato,
tomato.

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It's just however it goes.
That's what people aren't Privy

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to are these playful banters.
So thanks for coming on.

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I appreciate it.
You're welcome.

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Thanks for having me here.
You bet.

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So today it's all about temple
work, right?

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And, and not, not like the
covenant portion of, of what

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we're going to be doing later
on, but this is about how to

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find your family names.
A large segment of

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fundamentalists have been away
from temple work for the better

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part of 100 years, right.
We look at really about the time

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that that muster leaves the LDS
Church.

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And while certainly Mormons were
fundamentalists were still going

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into LDS temples for a good long
time.

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It's been really the better part
of 100 years, I think, since

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most people are doing work for
their ancestors, right?

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I think you had people getting
into the temple and taking out

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their own endowments and then
kind of never going back again.

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And so as as fundamentalism
moves from this place of, oh,

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we're just here to keep keep
plural marriage alive and we

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start embracing a more holistic
view of the gospel and more

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holistic practice of it, this is
something we're kind of out of

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practice for.
So I think this is going to be

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good in, in helping people to
prepare.

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And I know Anne's been on this
for a long time and I, I can't

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wait.
It's going to be great.

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Well, thanks for having me here.
Temple work and genealogy are

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two of my favorite things.
And and genealogy is, you know,

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kind of a hobby of mine.
I've taught a few classes here

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and there, but mostly just dug
in and learned how to do it

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along with my family.
I have a couple family members

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that are real, you know,
professional type genealogists.

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I'm just, you know, maybe the
closet genealogist, but here to

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here to help and and to help
others learn what they need to

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do and why it's important to do
genealogy work for our ancestors

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who passed beyond the veil.
So, you know, I want to start

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off with a little bit of, you
know, the spirit of work of

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Elijah.
That's really what this whole

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thing is about.
And you know, I just cannot

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thank our Heavenly Father for
providing some of these

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revelations to Joseph Smith to
teach us these things and why

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it's important.
So we're going to jump right in

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here.
Temple work.

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You know, here's the temple out
there by you.

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There's, you know, the Kirtland
Temple, which is one of my

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favourites.
I had ancestors helped build

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that.
And then there's a smaller

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little temple out in the desert
somewhere in Utah that is a

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fundamentalist temple as well.
But why do we do family history,

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genealogy and temple work?
And I get asked this question

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often and my answer is that it
is vital work that connects all

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of God's children, all of his
family together, and it lasts

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throughout eternity.
You know, David, why do you and

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or your listeners want to learn
more about genealogy?

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You know, for me, I can only
speak for me on this.

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For me, it was, it was a huge
selling point for me becoming a

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Mormon.
Right after my old man kicks it,

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he dies.
My question was what happened to

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my dad?
Right.

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My dad wasn't a Mormon.
He talked about God a lot but

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and he was a good man, but he
wasn't he wasn't didn't profess

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any creed.
And so I always thought if God

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is both just and merciful,
there's got to be a plan for

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people like that, right?
To me, a just and loving God

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just doesn't say, well, you
never sat down, you never took

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the discussions.
You never, you know, you, you

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didn't ever have that
opportunity.

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Sorry, you're host.
Nothing we can do here.

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And so to me, this was huge.
This was a major, major point.

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I remember I was taking the
discussions and they start

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talking about temple work and
I'm like, hold on back up, go

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over that one more time because
it was, it was that important to

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me.
And so, and then as you get into

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Mormonism and you really start
talking about it, the Lord makes

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it clear this is pretty
important, right?

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He says that if all the ceiling
work isn't done, the earth is

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utterly wasted, right?
So this is, this shouldn't just

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be important to us because of
our families.

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This should, that should set off
some alarm bells, right?

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This is important to the Lord
and, and he wants this stuff

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done.
And if he wants it done, we got

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to kind of have an idea of how
to do it.

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Yeah, definitely.
Do.

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You know, and you know what?
Some of what you said there

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reminded me of a quote, and I
don't have it right here at my

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fingertips.
And I didn't put it in the

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presentation.
I probably should have.

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But Orson F Whitney, April 1929,
I believe, quotes Joseph Smith,

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and he's saying that through the
ceiling powers through the

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covenants that we make in the
temple, we hold that door open

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to help our ancestors.
Hey, honey, can you have me that

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binder right over there?
Sorry.

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Told you not to call me that on
the podcast.

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I know, sorry you're so funny.
Here.

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I have it right here in this
binder.

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It says here the Prophet Joseph
Smith declared, and he never

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taught a more comforting
doctrine, that the eternal

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ceilings of faithful parents and
the divine promises made for

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them for valiant service in the
cause of truth, would save not

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only themselves, but likewise
their posterity.

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Though some of the sheep may
wander, the eye of the shepherd

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is upon them, and sooner or
later they will feel the

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tentacles of Divine Providence
reaching out after them and

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drawing them back to the fold.
Either in this life or the life

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to come, they will return.
They will have to pay their debt

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to justice, they will suffer for
their sins, and may tread a

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thorny path, but if it leads
them at last, like a penitent

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prodigal to a loving and
forgiving father's heart and

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home, the painful experience
will not have been in vain.

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Pray for your careless and
disobedient children.

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Hold on to them with your faith.
Hope on, trust on, till you see

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the salvation of God.
Who are these strange sheep,

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these wayward sons and
daughters?

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They are children of the
covenant, heirs to the promise,

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and have received, if baptized,
the gift of the Holy Ghost,

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which makes manifest the things
of God.

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I cannot often say that without
tearing up, and I stopped myself

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two or three times.
But you know, I mean, I have.

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I was a wayward child.
I have children that are

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wayward.
I have grandchildren that are

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wayward.
I mean, I think everybody

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probably does to an extent.
And if you don't, I am so

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excited for you and you've done
something amazing and right.

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And please share that with
others so that we can improve.

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You know, But even Heavenly
Father has wayward children, and

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He holds a path there and a door
open for us because of the

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covenants that we make in the
temple.

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And I suspect that, you know,
some of this was weighing on

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Joseph Smith's mind after
receiving instruction from

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Moroni in 1823.
And so that's going to lead us

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right here into what the promise
of Elijah is.

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Joseph Smith.
And I'm not going to read

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everything that's on the screen.
Just so everybody knows.

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You guys can read stuff.
I'm going to talk anyway.

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Joseph Smith received this
instruction from Moroni line

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upon line and precept upon
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And still he tell he understood
what Moroni was teaching him.

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I mean, I believe he said it
took all night.

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Was that 8 hours?
Is that 10 hours?

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I don't know.
So we should apply the same

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pattern in our lives when we
learn new concepts and that

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includes genealogy in Joseph
Smith's history.

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Joseph states that Moroni quote
quoted part of Malachi.

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He quoted chapters 3:00 and
4:00.

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And all of these verses talked
about an offering of Judah and

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Jerusalem.
And this is temple language.

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You know, there's, there's a lot
of discussion these days about,

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you know, how all of our
scripture is based off of temple

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language and that that's really
the language of, of Adam, our

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heavenly Father.
It's, it's how this whole world

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was supposed to be to connect
all of us.

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And in the DNC, we see that
Moroni instructs Joseph Smith

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about these differences between
the offerings talked about

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Malachi versus the offering of
the Latter Day Saints in our

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dispensation.
So let's make ourselves familiar

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with some of these verses to
understand this more.

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In Malachi 3, he is talking
about the last days and

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preparing the people for the
restoration of the of the

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gospel.
And that references here on the

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screen.
But who's Elijah?

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Elijah is an Old Testament
prophet that performed many

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miracles.
Some are listed here on this

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slide in the on the sidebar.
He was the last prophet to hold

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the Melchizedek Priesthood
before Jesus Christ.

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In Joseph Smith's History,
chapter 1, verses 37 through 39,

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it states that Elijah will
return before the Lord, that the

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hearts of the fathers will turn
to their children and vice

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versa.
When Moroni was instructing

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young Joseph on these verses, he
included two basic themes that

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that basically you can see come
out of our the restoration of

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the gospel.
First was the coming forth of

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the Book of Mormon.
And 2nd, he introduced events

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that will impact all of us for
generations.

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And one of those is the work of
salvation for the living and for

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the dead real quick, so.
Can we go back there real quick?

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Back one Yep to you.
What does that promise mean

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there?
That the hearts of the fathers

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will be turned to the children,
and the hearts of the children

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will be turned to the fathers.
Well, it means that we will

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remember them, that we can look
back in our histories, we can

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look back in our scriptures.
We can learn from from them,

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from what they went through,
their trials, those kinds of

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things.
And we'll remember them.

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We will understand what their
sacrifices have meant to us and

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that we will get to know them
and and be able to hold doors

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open for each other.
They will remember us.

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They, you know, that the
prophets of old often and

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scriptures talked about what was
going to happen in the last

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days, what was going to happen
in days to come in the future,

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you know, and they were looking
to us for things as just as we

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look back and we learned from
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And I think that then can be
applied down to our family life,

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to, you know, our wayward
children.

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You know, we we raise them up,
we teach them and everything

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that they need to do and they
get to go make their decisions.

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And I certainly went and made my
decisions and I turned back to

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the ways of my parents, you
know, and I can remember them.

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But it's also promising
potentially in the pre existence

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to help them because maybe some
of our ancestors lived at a time

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where they did not have a temple
to go to and attend and to

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perform those ordinances and do
that work.

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And we have a obligation.
We made a promise to help them

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and turning our hearts back to
them helps fulfill this promise

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that we made.
Maybe in the pre existence, I

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feel like I made a a promise in
the pre existence.

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I've had some pretty amazing
experiences where I've had

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family come to me and say, hey,
I need you to do XYZ.

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And I'm sure that there's others
that have had those things too.

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But I think that if we don't
remember where we came from and

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we don't look to our ancestors,
to our parents for guidance and

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turn back to their teachings,
their righteous teachings, that

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that's when at least it says,
here I come and smite the earth

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with a curse.
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You know, I, I thought about
this a lot.

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And I think part of this too is
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I won't share the name of the
individual because it's, I don't

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have permission to.
But there's someone who I, who I

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know who really struggled with
wanting to do a family name

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because they had intimate
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They were hurt by this person
and they struggled, right.

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And and they'd come and talk to
me about it and, and ask what I

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do, what I thought.
And I said, well, have you

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prayed about it?
And they said yes.

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And I said, what was your
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And the answer, and this was
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And I said, what was your
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And, and the answer they got was
do the temple work, do the work.

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And I remember I turned around
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room and this person was just
crying and I walked up to him

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and I said, you know, what would
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And this person said, I feel
like my, like my been healed,

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right?
That forgiveness has been

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extended.
And I think that that's part of

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those promises.
The other thing I'll say is I

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think the adversaries working
very hard against this, right?

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We're not too far removed from
tearing down monuments to our

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ancestors, right?
And, and whatnot.

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And I found that to be and, and
I don't know why it didn't hit

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me sooner.
It, it took me a while to wrap

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my head around this, but this is
the exact what they, what those

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folks were doing.
And tearing down those monuments

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was the exact opposite of what
the Lord said he would do

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through, through Elijah and
through the, through those

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ceiling keys.
And so I, I think it, not only

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does it talk, you know, not only
is it just extending the

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opportunity, but I think there's
real reconciliation and real

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forgiveness and real healing
that is done through, through

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temple work and through name
extraction to take those names

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to the temple.
No, I agree.

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I agree.
And there's people that do

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struggle with that, you know, I
mean, and and what do you do

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when an ancestor that, you know,
went through the temple, you

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know, maybe they went through
the temple in, you know, 1880, I

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don't know.
And, and there was something

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else you read about them or you
heard about them later, you

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know, and and you're like, oh, I
just don't like them anymore.

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Or, you know, and then what it
what happens when they come to

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you and they say, look, I made a
mistake.

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Yeah.
And you're here today and I need

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to be re baptized or I need to
have my endowments redone.

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What do you do there?
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And so that individual that did
that, that's very healing for

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them.
And that's that's great news.

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So let's talk about that sealing
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You know, it is, it is sacred.
It is essential for priesthood

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ordinances to be valid and
binding on earth and in heaven.

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And, you know, when did Joseph
Smith get the keys from Elijah?

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Here in the teachings of Prophet
Joseph Smith, you know, he

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received the fullness of the
Melchizedek Priesthood.

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You know, I just picked
highlights of this one.

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But you know, when did he get
those keys and why was it

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important to have them?
So you know Elijah appeared with

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Moses on the amount of
transfiguration to confer the

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authority upon Peter, James, and
John, and he also appeared again

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with Moses and others before
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Do you know where he appeared?
Yeah, the Kirtland Temple,

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right?
Kirtland Temple, That's why I

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put that temple on the previous
slide.

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He did that on April 3rd, 1836,
and that's recorded in DNC 110

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here.
And you know, this was necessary

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to prepare the Saints and the
world basically for the Savior's

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second coming.
And doing this started an

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interest in family history and
genealogy within the Saints

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within the Restoration.
You know, I think it speaks to

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volumes that those keys were
trend were were given back to

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the earth through Joseph Smith
in the Kirtland Temple.

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And the Kirtland Temple is
interesting because certainly

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while there was ordinance work
done there, they're not doing

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the full the full thing, right.
It's not revealed at that point.

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What we have is the endowment
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And so for a long time I said,
well, then what was the point of

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the Kirtland Temple, right?
Was it just to teach the Saints

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how to build the temple?
Was it just to to, you know, get

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their minds in the right place
to receive holier things?

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And I think those can be valid,
valid points that that could be

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true as well.
But as I prayed about it, I, I

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kind of came away with a witness
that that even though like the

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Lord was fine passing along
priesthood on the banks of the

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Susquehanna, right?
He didn't have a problem with

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that.
But for whatever reason, he

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wanted to make sure there was a
set apart house that was his to

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pass these keys along.
And so sometimes as Mormons, I

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think we get into the habit of
talking about the ceiling keys

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in kind of a, you know, I don't
want to say passive, but in a

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way where we kind of take it for
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Yeah.
Very nonchalant.

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Very nonchalant.
And and I, I think we need to

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remember that, hey, these keys
were so important that the Lord

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decided he was not going to have
them passed outside of a

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designated holy house.
And then they could go on to do

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other things.
Which also points back to, you

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know, the.
Mount of Transfiguration that

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was a temple.
Yep.

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Yep, scenario being played out
there in Scripture.

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And so again, it's showing that
that's where those keys were,

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and it's just keeping that
pattern going that you're

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describing here.
And the other thing I find

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interesting, too, is that to
this day, a lot of Jewish folks,

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I can't remember what holiday it
is that they celebrate, but

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they'll leave an empty chair for
Elijah to come back.

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Yeah, right.
It it's, it's one of those

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promises that spans the gamut of
time when it comes to the House

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of Israel.
Yes, very much.

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And he has a huge role in the
work.

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So, you know, Joseph explained,
that the keys are to be

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delivered, the spirit of Elijah
is to come, and the gospel is to

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be established amongst the
Saints, and that we are to be

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gathered that Zion is we built
up and the Saints are to come up

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as saviors on Mount Zion.
Well, how do we do this?

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You know?
Joseph explained By building

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temples.
Right.

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And going forth to receive all
the ordinances on behalf of

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their ancestors who have passed
beyond the veil.

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This is a chain that binds the
hearts of the fathers to the

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children, the children to the
fathers, and it fulfills the

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mission of Elijah.
And you can read more about this

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starting actually in teaching
the province Joseph Smith 472 up

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through 475 here.
And it will explain all of that.

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But you know, even later on, you
know, Brigham Young, Wilfred

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Woodruff, they've all talked
about these things and Wilfred

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Woodruff in his journals.
It was, I can't remember the

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exact year, I'd have to look it
up, but it was December 23rd or

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26th.
It was right around Christmas or

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whatever year this was.
And he said the reason that we

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gather is so that we can do
temple work.

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We need to gather by a temple
and that is extremely important.

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So the spirit of Elijah has
driven Saints for almost 200

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years now with genealogy work
and family history.

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Actually, more than that,
because it was 1823 that DNC 2

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was recorded, I believe.
So just over it.

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So as a covenant people, we have
an obligation and a

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responsibility to search out our
ancestors, to turn our hearts

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back to them.
We do a service for our family

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beyond the veil that they cannot
do for themselves when we

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perform saving ordinances for
them.

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And I want that to sink in with
the listeners.

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I'm going to say it again.
We do a service for our family

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who have passed away that they
cannot do for themselves when we

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perform these ordinances.
If they didn't get it done in

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the restoration, then it needs
to be done for them so that we

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can be together.
And this is a sacrifice.

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It's, it's a sacrifice for us,
the living here in this mortal

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life to help take care of and
redeem our dead is, is a great

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blessing as well.
Great, great blessing.

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I can't, I mean, for me, I've,
I've talked with my mom when we

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did genealogy work together and
you know, there was a specific

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family member that we were, we
were researching and we found

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out that there were more
children than what we had

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recorded.
And we kind of got the whole

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family sealed together.
And when we were in the temple,

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I mean, it was an amazing
experience with you.

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You could feel them.
I could see them, you know,

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there.
My mom doesn't see spirits, but

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she felt them and she knew that
they were there and she said how

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great is it going to be when we
pass away and we get on their

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side of the veil?
Not only do we get greeted by

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our Savior and our loved ones
that we associate with here in

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this life, but we are going to
get to be greeted and see and

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meet those that we helped get
their work done.

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That's going to be joyous.
Absolutely.

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You know, I, I've told people
this before and, and I, it's

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something I truly believe is
that by living the gospel, you

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get an opportunity to kind of
act in a very small way, each

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portion of the Godhead, right?
As you do missionary work, you

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become a testator, right?
You become someone who can bear

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witness when it comes to the
temple, if you want to, if

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you're striving to be more like
Christ, there's no better place.

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There's only one thing that the
Lord won't encroach upon, and

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that is our will, right?
Our will is completely our own.

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That's the one thing He'll never
take from us.

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We have to give it freely.
And in conjunction with that,

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it's our time, right?
And so just like you alluded to

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a work they cannot do for
themselves, the Savior did

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something very similar in in the
Atonement.

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We couldn't do that for
ourselves.

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We weren't worthy enough to take
upon us the even our own sins,

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much less the sins of the entire
world, the entire universe.

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He did that for us because we
couldn't do it for ourselves.

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Now we get an opportunity and
the scripture talks about

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standing as saviors on Mount
Zion, right, which is a

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reference to the temple and we
get to participate in that

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redemptive work of a Savior.
When we offer up our will, we

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offer up our time and we go to
the temple and we take those

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names and we do a work for
others that they can't perform

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for themselves.
So if you really are trying to

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foster Christ like attributes in
your life, why not spend some

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time engaging in the same work
that the Savior was?

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Yeah, 100%.
You know, and and Joseph Smith

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taught that when we serve our
ancestors in this capacity, you

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know, here in DNC 1/28, he said
both parties can be made

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perfect.
It says quote they that they

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without us cannot be made
perfect and neither can we

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without our dead be made
perfect.

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That's in verse 15.
You know, this whole these whole

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2 sections, they talk about the
importance of record keeping,

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which we're going to talk about
off run the rest of this

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segment.
We're going to, you know, I

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mean, those also talk about the
symbolic symbology of a

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baptismal font.
I'm not going to get into

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symbology of those things in
this, but I wanted to note that

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for you guys to go and think
about, go and study these, these

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two sections out.
You know, Elijah restored this

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power relative to baptism for
the dead, but also for

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endowments and, and more
ordinances.

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All keys, all powers and
authorities of the past

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dispensation have been restored
through Joseph Smith.

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And that is my testimony.
And it is exciting to work in

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that capacity and to help our
family to come together.

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So we're going to jump into
genealogy.

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This is where the the work
begins.

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Some people are like, no.
And some people are like, woo

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Hoo, I want to get in here and I
want to do this.

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Why?
Did you lock eyes with me when

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you said people say Oh no?
I think no, not really, but it's

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00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:27,680
daunting, right?
It is, it's daunting.

449
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,120
And you know, in your line of
work you have to do a lot of

450
00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:34,240
research about parcels of land
and, and different things.

451
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,600
And in my line of work, there's
research and, and you know, it's

452
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,560
in this, in God's work, there's
also research.

453
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,800
You know, and I think sometimes,
you know, we think, OK, you

454
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,680
know, there's a temple and we
can go and we have a temple

455
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,920
recommend.
So we have a past the key to get

456
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,800
in the door of the temple.
We've been approved.

457
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,040
But now what I've got, I've
gotten my own endowments out.

458
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:04,200
What's the next step?
And you know, for us, that's

459
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,400
getting into these records to
finding our family, making these

460
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:12,720
connections, we have an
obligation to to, you know, do

461
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,600
the due diligence here and make
sure that these are people that

462
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,200
did exist.
We're not just pulling names out

463
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:22,360
of our hat and that they are
related to us because we're

464
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:27,480
about sealing families, right?
And while it is my understanding

465
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:33,120
and belief that everyone on this
planet is God's child, you know,

466
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:37,840
there's, there's certain family
lines that we need to work

467
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,440
through.
And I, I just want to make a, a

468
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,680
statement here.
You know, when we talk about

469
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,720
doing genealogy work, it could
be through your bloodlines.

470
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,680
And there's kind of an order
that has been taught, at least

471
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,240
traditionally in the LDS church
that you do your bloodline, then

472
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,160
you do your adopted line, right?
And so that's kind of an, an

473
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:02,800
order to go there.
And, you know, I, I have a great

474
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,920
grandfather that was kind of
adopted, I guess.

475
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,760
And his bloodline is, you know,
Bowman and his his adoptive

476
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:16,400
sealed line is loosely dad
abandoned them back in the

477
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,960
1800s.
And, you know, mom came here

478
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,760
when she was pregnant, remarried
and he was born a loosely.

479
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:28,200
So, you know, there's things
that that we, you know, that we

480
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,160
find and discover like this.
Our family didn't know that

481
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,440
until you lean in digging into
genealogy records and going, oh,

482
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,480
this is interesting.
There's a little reference here

483
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,680
in a in a journal or in a
letter.

484
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,160
Who's this weird stranger dude
that came over from Switzerland

485
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,920
and then left, you know, and,
you know, when he found out his

486
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:52,800
family was being, you know, it
moved on, you know, but and

487
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,880
those are all amazing things
that we can do.

488
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,600
And so now I have two lines.
I have two families I get to

489
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,040
work on and and it's a blessing.
It's not a burden.

490
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,800
You know, often we hear people
tell a story about being a

491
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,600
descendant of someone famous.
Maybe their third grade aunt was

492
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,040
a Cherokee Princess, right?
There's a lot of those stories

493
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,520
out there or, you know, so it's
not just Pocahontas, though.

494
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:21,200
Maybe we're related to, you
know, European royalty or to,

495
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,760
you know, Christ himself, you
know, a Jew.

496
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,040
And so, you know, we want to
find that person.

497
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,080
We want to verify that that's
true.

498
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:37,280
We, you know, so do we just go
and jump to that person and then

499
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,080
work our way backwards?
Where do we start here?

500
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,160
And if we do that, if we jump to
that person in history that may

501
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,920
or may not be, you know,
folklore, and then we work back,

502
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,240
it's not going to help us to
have an accurate accounting of

503
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,200
our family tree.
And as a reminder, in DNC 128,

504
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,120
Joseph Smith wrote this epistle
to the Church with directions on

505
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,200
baptism for the dead.
But it applies here in all work

506
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,440
that we do in that epistle,
we're told to be very particular

507
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,840
and to be very precise in our
record keeping.

508
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,800
And in verse 4, it states that
we are to certify that the

509
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,480
record we make is true.
And my goal today is to help

510
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,480
give you guys some skills on
basic family history principles

511
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,000
that can help you create a true
record for your family.

512
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,040
Just so your listeners know, I'm
going to provide David up with a

513
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,120
packet of documents that he can
share with his guests.

514
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,800
The packets going to contain
family history charts and forms

515
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,960
that you can fill out and track,
even enter dates for your own

516
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,720
temple work as you take your
family members through the

517
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,080
temple.
And it will include some

518
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,600
research chips and note forms
that you can use to track your

519
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,720
research.
And it will contain information

520
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,880
from this presentation.
Awesome.

521
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,360
Thank you.
You're welcome.

522
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,600
Now I'm going to pause here for
just a minute.

523
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,720
I need to go do something really
quick and then I will be right

524
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:04,720
back.
I'm sorry, David.

525
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:10,960
No sweat.
You're good, OK.

526
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,600
All right, so let's talk about
where we can get started with

527
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,200
our genealogy.
OK.

528
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:22,440
So I suspect that, you know,
many of us are learning about

529
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,120
this and watching this so that
we can prepare names to take to

530
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,360
the temple.
And we're going to start with

531
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,680
three things.
We need to gather information.

532
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,400
We need to record that
information and we need to

533
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,640
perform that ordinance work.
Once we found the information

534
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,560
and know who our ancestors are,
The most important thing that

535
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:45,680
you can do is in this process is
to seek and follow the guidance

536
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,520
of the Holy Ghost.
This is when you'll be most

537
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,680
effective in your family history
and temple work.

538
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:56,520
I've learned this throughout my
life, that your efforts here can

539
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:01,120
be compared with the efforts of
Nephi when he obtained the brass

540
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,560
plates.
You know, I mean, that was a

541
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,520
hard time in his life, right?
He was sent back.

542
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,080
He had obstacles and trials that
he faced.

543
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,200
He had to rely on the spirits to
know what to do.

544
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,360
And it's the same here with
genealogy work.

545
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,880
You know, you might hit a brick
wall and have to only have a

546
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,240
breakthrough because Heavenly
Father guided you somewhere and

547
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,120
you listen to the Holy Ghost.
And like Nephi, we have an

548
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,080
obligation to obtain information
about our family.

549
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,960
He went back to get records.
We have an obligation to go and

550
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,200
get records on our family.
And I pray that the Holy Ghost

551
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,600
will inspire you to know where
best to begin.

552
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,600
And so to kind of decide where
that is, you need to ask

553
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,640
yourself a couple of questions.
What ancestor do you want to

554
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,640
start with?
What family line do you want to

555
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,880
focus on 1st?
You know, I mean, maybe it's in

556
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,400
your case, David, you know,
without getting too personal,

557
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,440
maybe it's I'm going to start
with my mom because I know more

558
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,840
about that, you know, and I have
somebody I can go and talk to

559
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,920
and gather information versus
your dad, which is the mystery,

560
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:05,760
right?
Maybe.

561
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,880
And there's might not be right?
There might not be quite as much

562
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,719
information there until you can
have some breakthroughs.

563
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,920
Where do you go to obtain useful
information in this regard?

564
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,239
And you know, that's when you
maybe sit down and and write a

565
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,360
list out of, you know, what
relative do I talk to?

566
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,840
You know, and, and I would
suggest that you start with the

567
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,159
oldest living relative because
even if they're a little senile

568
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:34,719
or they have a little bit of
dementia, there's going to be

569
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,920
some truth hidden in those gems.
As you talk to them and you can

570
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,360
verify that information, always
take a recorder.

571
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,600
If you're going to go talk to
somebody, ask them if you can

572
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:48,679
record them.
And you know, there's, there's a

573
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:51,000
bunch of transcription services
available now.

574
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,239
Take advantage of that so that
you can find those hidden gems.

575
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,640
Not not only that, but your
chances are you're going to find

576
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,200
out some interesting information
on people as well as just the

577
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,360
names and the dates, right?
And that's, and that's, I, I

578
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:11,120
think sometimes that's what's
lost is, is the heart part of

579
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,200
this whole thing, right?
I think we're, I, I think we

580
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,800
have plenty of tools for just,
and it sounds so impersonal name

581
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,960
extraction, right?
But I don't think that's what

582
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,440
the Lord really, I, I think the
Lord will take that definitely.

583
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,560
But I think he's he's looking
for us to go a little bit deeper

584
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:29,920
than that.
Yeah.

585
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,680
I mean, he wants us to make
those connections, right?

586
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:38,240
We're tying and binding and
connecting and, and building a

587
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:42,040
bridge to our past.
And that's what we have to do.

588
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,160
But in order to build a bridge
or anything, you have to have a

589
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,320
foundation.
So we need to talk about where

590
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,480
do we begin?
And you know, like with anything

591
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,240
in life, we start at the
beginning.

592
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,360
We're building a house or a
testimony.

593
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:57,760
You have to have that
foundation.

594
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,160
And it's the same thing here
with genealogy.

595
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,880
You need to have a research plan
and a goal in mind.

596
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,240
You know, I mean, if, if the
goal is I want to hear these

597
00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:10,000
cool stories or I want to find
whether skeletons are buried or,

598
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,880
you know, grandma talked about
having jars of money somewhere

599
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,160
that buried on the property just
in case, and you want to go find

600
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,880
those jars.
You know, you've, you've got to

601
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,600
have a plan and and a goal.
So I'm not saying you have to

602
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,360
like write out a business plan,
but you need to think it over.

603
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,080
Why are you listening to this
episode today?

604
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,040
Why is it important to you?
What is your goal?

605
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,000
Decide, you know, what
information that you need to get

606
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,280
first.
Where do you store that

607
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,480
information?
And that's why I have these

608
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,680
pictures that are on the screen.
After you've done some, you

609
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,560
know, work here and you found
some names, what's next?

610
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,480
Just as we build our homes with
the foundation, next is walls

611
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,680
and a roof.
And then we have to have the

612
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,480
same things type of structure
for our genealogy.

613
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,600
Absolutely.
You know, we need tools.

614
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,440
So there's tools of your trade
and tools in in construction.

615
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,360
What are some of the tools that
you have in your trade?

616
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:19,960
RTKGPS, robotic total stations,
levels, rods, hammers, laugh,

617
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:23,600
nails, paint, flagging.
You get it.

618
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,600
I get the idea.
And you're going to have similar

619
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,080
things here, you know, you, you
talked about GPS stuff and

620
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,880
you're going to have to have a
goal.

621
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,280
You have to know where you're
going.

622
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,520
You have to have a location in
mind here.

623
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,560
And we can apply those things
here are we have to set up a

624
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,520
workspace, you know, and that
workspace, you know, you have a

625
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,760
workspace.
I have a workspace.

626
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,200
We need a desk, we need a
computer, we might need a

627
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,840
printer, maybe we need filing
cabinets.

628
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,680
Maybe it's, you know,
bookshelves.

629
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,040
Maybe we have binders like here
in the picture on the

630
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,360
bookshelves and we might have to
have storage bins.

631
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,000
You know, when I, when I first
really started getting into this

632
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,760
more and instead of leaning on
some of my aunts and uncles who

633
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,200
did a lot of genealogy work and,
and our professional

634
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,120
genealogist, because there's
always areas that you, they

635
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:15,400
haven't worked on, right?
And I needed to have a place to

636
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,920
begin.
And so I, I grabbed a box and I

637
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,480
went through my house because,
you know, I was trying to help

638
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,520
my husband to find stuff on his
family.

639
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,160
And I started, where's this
paper?

640
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,120
Where's that picture?
Where's, you know, who are these

641
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,960
people?
And I started gathering it and

642
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,880
kind of organizing it in this
box so that I could start asking

643
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,560
questions.
And I would suggest that you

644
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,240
guys do the same thing.
Gather your tools.

645
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:44,960
You know, maybe you need to, you
want to do software for this and

646
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,240
you want your data online and
you want your forms online and

647
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:50,720
you want your photos scanned in
and you want written out family

648
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:53,800
histories available online
versus in paper.

649
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,880
I have them in both places.
As ambitious as I would like to

650
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,760
be to get it All in all online,
that's going to take forever.

651
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,920
I don't have forever do.
You think there's wisdom of of

652
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,520
having a hard copy as well as it
being online A. 100%.

653
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,280
I get nervous when I start
thinking about everything being

654
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,960
online.
Yeah, me too.

655
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,960
I've been in too many places
without Internet connection that

656
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,560
that that spooked me a little
bit.

657
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:21,480
Yeah.
And there's definitely some,

658
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,800
some, I mean it's going to,
you're going to store a lot,

659
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,680
you're going to store a lot of
information, but you have to

660
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,880
decide what is important.
And so I would, I would suggest

661
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,760
that you stick with what is
important.

662
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,160
And, and I guess I'll take a
minute here to talk about that.

663
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:38,800
You know, I'm going to, I'm
going to talk later on about

664
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,120
vital records.
I think those are important and

665
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:46,120
we'll describe what those are
family photos, you know, Do we

666
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,600
need all of them?
I have, honestly.

667
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,360
You know those old steamer
chests?

668
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:52,960
Yes.
I have two of them full of

669
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,120
family photos.
Wow.

670
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,040
I there's nothing else and I
don't have time to scan them all

671
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,040
in.
I'd love to, I'd love to scan

672
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,120
them all in and index them and
put them all in the right

673
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,080
software.
And how cool would that be?

674
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,600
I don't have the time for that.
So they're going to sit there

675
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,480
and my kids probably are going
to be like, Oh my gosh, what do

676
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,600
you have these for?
And you know, I got them from my

677
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,160
in laws and my parents and, you
know, other family members who

678
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:19,440
are like, I don't know what to
do with these.

679
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,720
And, and, but if they're not
labeled, they're no good to

680
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:24,240
anybody.
They're no good.

681
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:26,920
No.
Yeah, You want your work to be

682
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,120
retraceable, right?
You don't want to have to like

683
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,240
start over just to decipher what
it is you've done.

684
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,720
Right, so documenting everything
is, is a must, you know, but

685
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:39,560
some of your other tools you,
you could do video recordings

686
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,400
and historical data and
genealogy books.

687
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,960
But I urge you that if you have
some of these things, you know,

688
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,600
maybe they're on a cassette tape
or on ACD.

689
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,000
If, if you don't have a cassette
tape player, it's not doing you

690
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,520
any good.
You might need to get that

691
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,160
converted into something more
modern that you can listen to in

692
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,680
here.
You know, one of the best gifts

693
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,280
that I, I remember getting, my
aunt had made a bunch of

694
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,040
cassette tapes of stories that
she went around and recorded one

695
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,840
time on her trip.
And, you know, I mean, I have my

696
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,680
dad singing.
I am my own grandpa and a little

697
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,840
dog in the window, you know, and
it's great.

698
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:21,040
It's great to listen to it.
My dad's gone, but I got those

699
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,600
converted into a modern format.
And you, we need to keep doing

700
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,320
those things if we're going to
keep them alive.

701
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,760
Or you're going to have to find,
you know, a cassette player or

702
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,960
something, you know, in 20 more
years.

703
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,240
I don't think you're going to do
that.

704
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,480
But let's look into options for
storing credible records, you

705
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,840
know, and, and your notes as you
begin also storing paper.

706
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,200
You know, I mean, I, I might,
whoops, I don't know what I just

707
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,040
did.
I bumped my mouse is what I just

708
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,280
did Yep.
So you know, I I look at like a

709
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,280
pen here.
This is just a normal pen.

710
00:41:52,280 --> 00:42:00,520
It's not anything great if I
write on, if I write with this

711
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,280
pen or with a pencil on my
paper, it's going to fade in

712
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,360
time.
You want to get acid free pens

713
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,280
to record information so that
they don't fade and that they

714
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,920
stay.
And you know, it's ideally, you

715
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,880
know, libraries are climate
controlled and you're building

716
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,680
yourself a family history
library of your own.

717
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,320
And it needs to be climate
controlled, you know, so that

718
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,120
the papers do last, whatever it
is you decide to keep.

719
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,680
But look into options for
storing this.

720
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,400
And you know, yeah, your options
are going to evolve over time.

721
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,960
You might start with a bin or a
binder and it might expand,

722
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,960
right?
Eventually you might have more

723
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,160
information.
And someday I'll have time to

724
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,920
scan and everything I want to
scan in.

725
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:43,640
But consider using, you know,
whether you're going to use all

726
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,560
paper or you're going to use a
combination of paper and online.

727
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:53,160
I have an online service that
that I use, but I also have

728
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,840
software on my computer that
I've purchased and that I use

729
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,840
that way.
That way I can control the

730
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,800
information that I am recording,
and I have some of it that's on

731
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,800
paper.
So I use a variety of both.

732
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,240
So you're home is the first
place that you should start.

733
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,040
It's important source of
information.

734
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,400
Like I said, I went around and I
gathered different things from

735
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,480
and put them kind of together in
a box so that when we went to my

736
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,000
in laws, I could start asking
them questions, you know, to do

737
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,680
some research for my husband's
line.

738
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,880
You might find, you know, family
group records, pedigree charts,

739
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,400
books of remembrance.
I was going to grab my old books

740
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,000
of remembrance out.
Some of your listeners might

741
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,200
remember those are huge, you
know, long and thick and they

742
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,120
were blue or brown.
And that said book of

743
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,640
remembrance on the front of
them, you know, but you might

744
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,320
find a family Bible and in the
front of the family Bible, you

745
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,680
know, there's records in there
and you, you know, don't

746
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:51,400
discount those.
It's at least the start it, it's

747
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,280
not a primary source, but it's a
start.

748
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,880
You know, journals, letters,
things like that, You can find

749
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:02,280
all these kind of things.
So, you know, collect diplomas

750
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:08,160
and photographs and awards and
Diaries and all kinds of things

751
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,360
about your own life as well, so
that you can someday have

752
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,160
information for your own
children.

753
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,320
And they aren't starting from
scratch and going, why didn't

754
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:22,280
mom and dad ever tell me this?
You know, use the same process

755
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,280
in gathering information about
yourself as you're going to use

756
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,360
for your ancestors or even your
descendants, and locate those

757
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,880
records.
You know, I think this ties into

758
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,240
a little bit with, and it's
something I've been trying to

759
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:37,280
do.
I, I haven't perfected it yet,

760
00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:40,960
getting better, but that's
keeping a journal, right?

761
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:46,000
I can tell you from a, from just
a Mormon history standpoint,

762
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,400
there's a ton we don't have
right.

763
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,760
And, and at times it's stuff
that that we really wish, almost

764
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:59,280
need that that we, we, we could
have had right.

765
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,960
And so as, as you start this,
make sure you keep that right.

766
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,800
Let let the success of
generations for however long

767
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,040
this round of creation has left.
Doesn't matter.

768
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,320
Have a something so somebody can
retrace your work, right?

769
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,640
Show them what you were doing
and how you got to where you are

770
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:23,240
because that that could be a
vital importance somewhere down

771
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:24,680
the road.
Yep.

772
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,560
And so there's there's a variety
of of journals.

773
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,280
Let's just stop and pause there
and talk about journals for a

774
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:31,800
second.
There's your own personal

775
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:32,520
journal.
Yep.

776
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,120
And I have my journal where I'm
recording my life.

777
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,520
My, my grandmother had over well
over 200 journals when she

778
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,680
passed away.
And, and it's fun to go through

779
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,920
with them and, and we dispersed
them to the family and certain

780
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,400
of us had, you know, the tasks
of, you know, at least

781
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,160
summarizing each one and, and
putting it out there for the

782
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,680
rest of the family.
And it was, it was great fun.

783
00:45:54,680 --> 00:46:00,560
It was fun to read like, you
know, in, I don't know, 1972,

784
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,160
you know, grandma took me and
some other cousins and we went

785
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,240
out to this farm and we bought
eggs and milk and whatever.

786
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,240
And this is the price she paid
for them.

787
00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:11,640
And, you know, this is how long
it took you to get there.

788
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,680
And it was like 8 miles.
Right.

789
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,160
And it was like a 30 minute
drive or something.

790
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,800
And you're like, why was that?
Why did it take so long to get

791
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,360
there?
You know, I mean, just just

792
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,080
different things that we, we
don't think about, you know?

793
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,920
And then there's other kinds of
journals, there's inspirational

794
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,320
journals, prayer journals.
You know, I know a, a friend of

795
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,880
mine has a prayer journal.
He, he prays and then he writes

796
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,800
down his answers in this prayer
journal.

797
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,520
My grandfather had a, a journal
or a book that he kept on his

798
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,160
night stand.
And it was his inspiration

799
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,200
because he'd pray at night.
He would wake up if he'd got

800
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,880
something, he would write it
down and then he would shut his

801
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,200
mind back off and go back to
bed.

802
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,760
So he could maybe receive more
inspiration or just get a good

803
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,960
night's sleep.
And then he could look at it and

804
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,200
reference it in the morning and
know what he needs to go and do

805
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,920
if he received that inspiration,
you know?

806
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,600
And then there's journaling for
record keeping.

807
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,480
Like we have that we're going to
need and we're going to talk

808
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,320
about here in the next little
bit.

809
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,440
And we should organize these
records in a chronological order

810
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,960
and we should think about
putting them into 3 categories.

811
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:17,560
Childhood, adolescence,
adulthood kind of a thing, you

812
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:23,800
know?
And we're going to talk a little

813
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,440
bit about organization and
record keeping a little bit

814
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,520
more, and then I'll have some
handouts on that.

815
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,720
But let's start with charts, OK?
OK, so there's different kinds

816
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:37,480
of charts, and these charts are
going to hold records on your

817
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,040
family.
And the first one that typically

818
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,960
everybody starts with is a
pedigree chart.

819
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,800
So once you've got your system
set up and you've got some data

820
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,000
in a box that you're going to
look through, now we need to

821
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,760
record it and put it down on
paper or recorded into a piece

822
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:58,320
of software or online chart.
But a pedigree is used to track

823
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,040
ancestry in a visual way that
helps us better understand how

824
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,360
our family fits together.
It's kind of like a big puzzle.

825
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,080
Say it's a 3000 piece puzzle, I
don't know, maybe more depending

826
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,520
on your family.
And you know, in polygamous

827
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,320
families that could be like a
12,000 piece puzzle or 20,000

828
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,600
piece puzzle.
But if you don't put all these

829
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,480
puzzle pieces together just the
right way, you're never going to

830
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:22,880
be able to see the final
picture.

831
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,240
And we use these charts and
records to put our family

832
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:29,320
history puzzle together.
So there's two types of pedigree

833
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,240
charts.
I want to kind of explain what

834
00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:33,680
some of these are.
Get into some technical things

835
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:38,840
here as we go.
There's ascendant and descendant

836
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,760
pedigree charts.
And ascendant chart starts with

837
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,400
you and it moves backwards in
times to the generations of your

838
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,440
ancestors, you, your parents,
your grandparents, your great

839
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:51,200
grandparents, etcetera.
And a descendant chart starts

840
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,000
with you or maybe another
individual in your family, and

841
00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:59,480
it lists their descendants.
So it's you, your children, your

842
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,400
grandchildren, goes the opposite
direction.

843
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,120
Gotcha.
So when we're doing these and

844
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:09,480
we're starting, we usually start
with ourselves and we start with

845
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,840
our direct bloodline and we do
our ancestors and we at least go

846
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,040
back 4 generations.
But we do it one generation at a

847
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,480
time, getting all the
information so that we have a

848
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,960
good foundation to build to
learn about the next generation.

849
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,880
OK, And there's a tip that I'm
going to give you right here

850
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,440
and, and I'm throughout all of
this.

851
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,600
Write this down.
Remember to document and cite

852
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,240
your sources.
Like Dave said, journaling,

853
00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:39,680
keeping records, this should
always be done.

854
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,640
And if you don't do it, then
your research will not have

855
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,960
credibility and your children or
grandchildren won't be able to

856
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:47,000
use it.
It'll just be a piece of paper

857
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:47,960
that they're going to throw
away.

858
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,760
And you might have spent three
years looking for somebody on

859
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,760
there, but because you didn't
get it documented, they couldn't

860
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,000
use it.
So document away.

861
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:02,040
I'm going to show you a picture
of a family pedigree chart.

862
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,360
OK, so this is a basic four
generation ascendant pedigree

863
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,040
chart.
It neatly fits on one standard

864
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,720
sheet of paper.
So you don't, I mean, I've seen

865
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:16,120
15, you know, generational
charts and they fold all up to

866
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,800
fit on a piece of paper, but you
have to fold them all up.

867
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,280
This one, I can just look at it
and it's all right there on on

868
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,080
one page.
And I usually take and make

869
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:30,080
notes on the backsides of this.
So I can write down I number

870
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:35,320
each person and then I can make
notes on the back and I can log

871
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,080
about those at least some basic
information about each person on

872
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,400
this chart.
Right.

873
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,440
And let let me ask you this
question, right.

874
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,320
And this is going to pertain
more to to the fundamentalist

875
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,960
side of things, again, because
we've been away from temples for

876
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:51,840
the better part of 100 years, by
and large.

877
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,240
What's this look like for a
plural family, right?

878
00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:58,600
So you're going to have a
husband and maybe a couple of

879
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,400
wives, right?
How does that work?

880
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,040
OK, well, for a pedigree chart,
it's no different than a

881
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,880
monogamous family because you're
starting with you and you have a

882
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,840
father and a mother.
Yes, you have multiple mothers

883
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,520
in your family.
Mom one, Mom 2, Mom 3, whatever

884
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:19,200
other mother, whatever your term
is that you call them, you know

885
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,880
this is just your your
bloodline.

886
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,080
OK.
Or your ceiling line.

887
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,520
OK all.
Right, your slash adopted line,

888
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:38,080
so it it doesn't take into a
fact that there's multiple moms

889
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:39,600
in this family at this point in
time.

890
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,680
Those we'll get into with family
group sheets and we'll talk

891
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,040
about that.
All right, but that's a great

892
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:51,080
call out and a great question.
So let's see the best place,

893
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,680
like I said, is to start with
you and work your way backwards,

894
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:58,960
including your full name, your
places and dates of birth and

895
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,320
date places and dates of death.
Now on here, I just it's very

896
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,720
simple, simplified for that.
You get the idea.

897
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,880
It says born and died.
Those will be filled out, you

898
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,960
know, on my next screen
eventually with just a year.

899
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,960
But it's important to have the
locations that they were born

900
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,440
and that they passed away and
locations of even WAVY where

901
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,040
there were buried and dates of
their buried.

902
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,800
Basic facts about every person.
If you're lucky enough to still

903
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,440
have a family member, a parent,
a grandparent, a great aunt or

904
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:32,640
an uncle that is still alive and
you get to go talk to them, go

905
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,120
talk to them.
Find the oldest living person

906
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,640
and fill out this chart with as
much information as you can.

907
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,640
Even if they're not certain
about the information, there's

908
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,200
ways that you can denote you
know with abouts or betweens or

909
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:51,840
whatever, right before and after
dates, things like that.

910
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,920
You can find points of reference
in their historical timeline and

911
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,520
note those on here.
Every little clue is going to

912
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,080
lead you to more information
because you're going to be able

913
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,680
to use that to find out more
information if you're not

914
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,680
certain about it and you need to
do more research on the

915
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,800
individual.
I want to share with you some of

916
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,760
the things that I do.
So I've created my own little

917
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:17,120
system in a way with just one
symbol here that I use for my

918
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,480
records that are not fully
vetted by me, right.

919
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,600
So I use a plus sign.
It's really easy.

920
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:22,920
We all know how to do a plus
sign.

921
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:28,280
I use a plus sign and I put it
next to their name if well, or

922
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,680
to indicate to me when I come
back to this record that this

923
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,000
isn't completed, there's more
plus to come.

924
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:41,200
And so when the person is fully
vetted, I'll remove the sign

925
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,160
either.
If it's an electronic version,

926
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,280
I'll do that.
If it's if it's I've wrote in

927
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,120
pen, I just cross it off.
If I wrote in pencil, I erase

928
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:52,680
it, right.
OK, so even after years of doing

929
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,600
genealogy, I want you to
understand I still have plus

930
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,120
signs, OK?
On maybe not in my first four

931
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,240
generations, but I have plus
signs, OK?

932
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:04,880
Or I need to fill in the blank
still.

933
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,240
And you know, I've done all I
can do at this point.

934
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,120
It's a dead end, but there's
more to come, right?

935
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,600
And that's the most part.
So with that plus sign, does it,

936
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:20,280
does that ever, do you
disqualify that at that point

937
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,920
then for being able to take that
through for for family history

938
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,240
work?
No, so that's a good question

939
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,960
for us.
And, and in our church, if you

940
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:34,960
can find a birth date, a death
date, a christening date, you

941
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,440
can show that they were married,
had children, had you know, you

942
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,800
know who their parents are.
You can go in there and you can

943
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:41,960
do their work.
That's enough.

944
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,240
And I have some that all we know
is they're, they were born about

945
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,760
18 O2.
We don't even have a month or a

946
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,520
day.
We know their parents and we

947
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:51,920
know that they were married and
had children.

948
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,680
They were alive.
We're good to go.

949
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,000
Awesome.
OK.

950
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,880
But if I want to complete my
record, my genealogical record,

951
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,320
I want to include plus sign so
that I know I have more work to

952
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,960
do here and I can find out more
interesting facts on them.

953
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:12,280
OK, perfect.
You might also, I, I might, I

954
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,880
want to mention that some of my,
a couple of my plus signs I've

955
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:21,320
actually had come to me and see,
I'm here.

956
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,680
I want my stuff done and you
want to know more information.

957
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,240
Here's where you know, here's a
thought that pops into my head

958
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:30,400
of where to go look next.
And so I go look and maybe

959
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,840
there's a little bit of a rabbit
trail and I have to do some

960
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,200
research, but I can find out
more information as well.

961
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,960
Well, and and I think but.
A plus sign alone doesn't

962
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,360
disqualify them for getting
their temple work done.

963
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,520
You know, and I'm sure we'll
we'll dive into this a little

964
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,480
more, but it's something I I
feel like we, you know, is

965
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,600
worthy of mentioning right now.
Just quickly is that it does

966
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,440
feel daunting at first, right?
There's no doubt about that.

967
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:57,040
But but I think just as you
alluded to, you can, if you just

968
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,600
set your hand to this, there'll
be help, things will come.

969
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:03,160
Yep, they will.
They will.

970
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,200
So let me give you an example of
a plus sign.

971
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,640
I have a nickname by a great
grandfather.

972
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,800
Don't know what his full name is
yet, but I have a nickname and

973
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,600
so I'll put a plus sign there
until I discover his full name.

974
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,600
Then I erased it.
Got you.

975
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,520
I had everything else, but I
mean, everybody called him, you

976
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,160
know, Dee and his name was
Delore, for example.

977
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,800
I don't know, making stuff up,
but you know, and I'll give you

978
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,040
some other examples of that, but
you can just do that.

979
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,800
And then, you know, and, and you
put nicknames.

980
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,120
I put nicknames in quotes.
Right.

981
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,240
Right.
So, you know, maybe the name is

982
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:45,160
Victoria, but she goes by Vicki,
gets put in quotes, so it says

983
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,000
Victoria, Vicki, whatever.
And when I'm taking that name

984
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,640
through the temple, I don't use
Vicky, I use Victoria.

985
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,680
That's the given name, that's
the birth name.

986
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,280
I don't use the nickname.
Right.

987
00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:02,320
No, it makes sense.
OK, so you know, let's talk

988
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,760
about some other things on here
before we I show you one of

989
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,840
these charts filled out.
So, you know, maybe you were two

990
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,640
or three, four years old and
your great grandmother passed

991
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:14,760
away, and so you can approximate
the year, right?

992
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,320
How do you write that out,
though?

993
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,680
In genealogy?
You write it by using an

994
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,240
abbreviation of ABT.
And we'll talk about

995
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:28,200
abbreviations here in a while.
ABT about the summer of 1965.

996
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,920
OK, OK.
And so, you know, and maybe you

997
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,920
only know that maybe maybe you
only know that it was a summer

998
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,320
because there's somebody in a
journal that talked about it,

999
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,120
but they didn't put a date in
there and they didn't keep a

1000
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,400
journal every every day.
They kept one maybe every

1001
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,800
quarter or once a year.
They wrote a summary and said,

1002
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,040
this summer, my grandma, you
know, my mom died or my grandma

1003
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,840
died.
And that's how you know, and in

1004
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,760
there they've talked about that.
You were three years old or

1005
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,040
something because maybe they
didn't date their pages, you

1006
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,520
know, so you can find all of
this information out.

1007
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,560
Anything that you can collect
and start collecting is only

1008
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,080
going to help you complete your
record, OK, as as long as you

1009
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,400
record it and you tell us where
you got it from.

1010
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:13,000
So some people are only
interested in one or two lines

1011
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,320
in their family history to get
started, and that's perfectly

1012
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:20,040
fine.
You, you might not have time to

1013
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:25,160
complete a full generation, so
start on a parental line or a

1014
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:29,280
maternal line instead.
There's very little instances

1015
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,400
though, where you're going to
skip a generation.

1016
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,640
OK, and we're going to talk
about that here in a minute.

1017
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,200
There's few instances where you
will know a parent's name but

1018
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:43,200
not a child's name.
So like, maybe you know your

1019
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,000
mom's name, but you don't know
your dad's name, but you know

1020
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,400
they're their names because they
were referred to somewhere in a

1021
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,880
journal and your mom doesn't
want you to know who your dad

1022
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,440
is.
That happens sometimes, but we

1023
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,720
need to gather all the
information we have in this

1024
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,520
generation before we can move to
the next generation.

1025
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:02,200
Yeah.
No, that makes sense.

1026
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:07,400
OK, so because of personal
identifiable information, I'm

1027
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,360
not going to start with myself
in this tree, even though I told

1028
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:10,560
you guys to start with
yourselves.

1029
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,000
I'm going to pick somebody else
from my family tree and start

1030
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,040
with them.
And that is Leslie Willie

1031
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,640
Coombs.
So on here I've recorded his

1032
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,960
name and I put his date of birth
and date of death on here.

1033
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:27,680
And in this scenario with
Leslie, you know, I've decided

1034
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,200
I'm going to start with his
parental line.

1035
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,200
So here is Isaiah Mark, his
father.

1036
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,560
And, you know, I fill out what I
know at this point and time on

1037
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,440
the chart and I continue working
back until I filled out as much

1038
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:44,840
information as possible on the
parental line that I have before

1039
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,080
I go on to the next.
So, you know, like if I did not

1040
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:52,320
have Isaiah Mark's birth date,
but I have his death date

1041
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,840
because often you'll, you will
start at the most recent event.

1042
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,480
If you find a death date or a
death certificate or death

1043
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:03,800
record, you can then have steps
to lead yourself backwards in

1044
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:08,000
time to find the next one, which
might be a marriage record that

1045
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,400
might indicate a time of, you
know, a date of birth or a

1046
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:14,160
census record or that leads you
to a birth date and a birth

1047
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:15,160
record.
OK.

1048
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:23,080
Then I begin filling out as much
information as I can to complete

1049
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,760
that parental line.
And if I can't find out, like on

1050
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,080
this one, Fannie McLean, I don't
know who her parents are.

1051
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,920
Let's just say in my scenario,
then I can be like, OK, I've

1052
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,760
gone so far and I can't go back
any further on that one.

1053
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,200
I'm going to skip now and I'm
going to go to my maternal line.

1054
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,760
Here's what I know about my mom,
and I've got it written in

1055
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:46,440
there, OK?
And I begin filling out her

1056
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,760
information.
And I worked myself backwards

1057
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:53,920
and I know her mom and I know
her mom's parents, and somehow I

1058
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,600
happen to have missed recording
the dad.

1059
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:02,120
So is this a good idea?
No.

1060
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,360
Right.
So there's a hole here, right?

1061
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,280
There's something we got to have
before I can verify that John

1062
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:12,640
Willie and Rachel Doleworth are
mystery persons, parents.

1063
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,440
I need to know who mystery
person is because what if I have

1064
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,000
the wrong parents?
What if there's two people with

1065
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,360
that name in the world?
I mean, how many John Smith's

1066
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,160
are there, for example?
A lot, a lot.

1067
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,560
So we need to make sure that we
don't skip lines like it's

1068
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:32,080
showing on the screen here.
So we have to find this missing

1069
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,840
maternal grandfather before we
can continue.

1070
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,200
Make a note in your research
log, you know, or your or your

1071
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:42,640
journal or notebook about this,
but do not record John and

1072
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,960
Rachel without having that
maternal grandfather in their

1073
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:50,160
first, OK?
Because then you're going to get

1074
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,440
into a trap that a lot of us
fall into and we end up

1075
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,840
researching the wrong family
line.

1076
01:01:56,120 --> 01:02:01,120
And we've spent, you know,
months doing this and all to

1077
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:05,240
discover, well, that was not
fruitful and that was somebody

1078
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:09,760
else's complete line.
So in those cases, I would not

1079
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:15,480
take John and Rachel to the
temple until I had this filled

1080
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,240
in.
OK, Now if you hit a brick wall,

1081
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,080
meaning you know I can't find
any information or records of

1082
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:25,240
this time, like I said, note it
in your log about this ancestor

1083
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,480
and say potential parents.
Do not say that they are their

1084
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:33,240
parents, could be their parents.
You do not know that until you

1085
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,680
know that person's name and you
can connect them through

1086
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,760
records.
So make sure that you, you know,

1087
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,000
note that.
I know I've said that a

1088
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,600
bazillion times.
I'm sorry, but I'll.

1089
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,120
No, it's important stuff.
If we're looking at making a

1090
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:49,640
chain all the way back, if you
have a missing link, you

1091
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,120
actually have two, two chains,
right?

1092
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:54,440
It's not connected and it and it
is important.

1093
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,600
Correct, correct.
So now I bet you're going to

1094
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:00,120
wonder.
Now we've done a bunch of this

1095
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,360
research and and besides having
you know, my parents, my

1096
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,720
grandparents and my great
grandparents name, you know,

1097
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:12,240
unless you're an only child and
in the audiences, you know, that

1098
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,480
we have here listening, I doubt
that's the case.

1099
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,560
So probably not.
I mean, there's a slight chance

1100
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,240
that happens, but that's a
rarity.

1101
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:24,720
Yeah, I mean, I'm an only child,
but that's it's a rarity.

1102
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:30,200
And so, but my parents were not
polygamous, just so for the

1103
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,200
record.
So, you know, but you have aunts

1104
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,640
and uncles and cousins and
nieces and nephews, and they're

1105
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,200
all floated around here in this
box that you've collected all

1106
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,440
these records.
Where do I record that

1107
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,080
information?
Because they did not fit on that

1108
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,480
pedigree chart that I just asked
you to fill out first.

1109
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,200
Right.
So where those come in, our

1110
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,040
family group sheets or family
group records are also called

1111
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:57,000
and this is, you know, a basic
worksheet that is used for

1112
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:02,080
genealogical research that
provides more information on a

1113
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,360
particular family than that
family pedigree chart that you

1114
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,720
or the four generation pedigree
chart that you just filled out.

1115
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:11,000
So there's different formats
available, but each family group

1116
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,040
sheet is basically the same.
They're based off of a single

1117
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:17,680
family unit, husband and wife,
and the children and a family

1118
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,280
group sheet will have a space
for your basic genealogical

1119
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:25,320
events for each family member,
places of dates and places of

1120
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,080
birth and death, marriage,
burial.

1121
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,560
And there's going to be that
same information for each of the

1122
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:36,280
children within the family.
It'll be father, wife, children,

1123
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:41,960
and usually there's a place for
notes on the last page.

1124
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,640
And these can be one page.
Depending on how many children

1125
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:46,360
you have, they could be 4-5 or
six pages.

1126
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:52,400
I mean, it just depends.
And you know, you're going to be

1127
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,840
able to have, there's a box at
the bottom of some of these

1128
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:59,880
where you can record like
sources and you can put in any

1129
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:04,160
discrepancies in your findings.
Like maybe there's three moms

1130
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:07,200
listed for, you know, or three
wives listed for this one

1131
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,880
husband.
Which kid goes with which wife,

1132
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,880
you know, and you'll be working
that out as you build these.

1133
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:18,280
And I have several even for non
LDS family members back in the

1134
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:23,000
1800s that a husband had three
or four wives.

1135
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,240
It wasn't because they lived,
you know, plural marriage, but

1136
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:28,680
it was because, you know, they
had a wife.

1137
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,240
They had three kids.
She died.

1138
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:32,840
He had three kids.
Now, what am I going to do?

1139
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:34,720
I'm going to remarry.
I'm going to have another wife.

1140
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,600
I'm going to have more kids.
Oh, oh, she passes away.

1141
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,280
You know, maybe it's childbirth.
I mean, think of the conditions

1142
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,640
years and years ago.
I'm going to marry for a third

1143
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:45,240
time.
I'm going to have another two or

1144
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,680
three kids.
And then we're going to die

1145
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,080
together, old.
And so you still have to piece

1146
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:51,640
all that together.
And you have to make sure that

1147
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,600
you get the right kids with the
right mothers.

1148
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:56,800
Absolutely.
As well.

1149
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:00,320
And so, you know, a family group
sheet is pretty essential for

1150
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,720
that because it serves as a very
simple means of recording this

1151
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,000
kind of data.
And it makes it easy to see the

1152
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:12,000
glance what is known and what is
missing overall in our vitally

1153
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:16,320
important records.
And it can serve as a means to

1154
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,080
easily exchange information with
other family members who might

1155
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:22,880
be doing something similar with
you or even genealogical

1156
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:24,600
services and stuff.
You'll have them.

1157
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,120
So I have this.
This is a what a family group

1158
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:28,920
sheet or family group record
looks like.

1159
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,840
This is the LD s s version of
it.

1160
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,040
It's the one I prefer to use
because, you know, hey, I also

1161
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:36,840
want to record temple
ordinances.

1162
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,080
And it's all right there on the
form.

1163
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:45,080
So, you know, you can see here
that it has, you know, the

1164
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,720
husband's name.
I'm going to, can I figure out

1165
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:51,960
how to do this?
Where's my little laser pen

1166
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,600
pointer?
So up here is the husband's name

1167
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,880
first, you know, given names,
first, middle name, last name.

1168
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,480
And there's a box right here.
You see that box?

1169
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,160
What does that say there, David?
Do you know?

1170
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:08,080
The other marriages, that very
much is a Mormon thing right

1171
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,440
there.
Right there, right there.

1172
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:14,000
And so, you know, in our
circles, you check that box and

1173
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,520
then you know that there's more
with this husband that you need

1174
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,000
to find.
There's more wives coming.

1175
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,360
So here you've recorded his date
of birth and place of birth.

1176
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,520
You know, if he was Christian or
christened.

1177
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,000
Excuse me.
Not something LDS people do, but

1178
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:30,800
sometimes we have that
information.

1179
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,280
We need to log it.
Their death date, their buried

1180
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:38,080
date, their marriage date, and
then down here it talks about

1181
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:42,720
the husband's father's given
name and then their last name.

1182
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:46,640
Notice right here for the mom
line, it says maiden name,

1183
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:48,720
right?
There's also a box to mark that

1184
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,400
it's deceased or not.
We're going to talk about

1185
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,320
recording names in a little
while, so I'm not going to get

1186
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:55,560
into that maiden name thing.
I just want to point it out that

1187
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,040
it's also here where the wife's
names are and it says maiden

1188
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:00,240
name.
There's also a box there for her

1189
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,160
to have other marriages.
You never know.

1190
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:04,520
Right, right.
So that's checked and.

1191
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:06,520
Died or whatever.
Right.

1192
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:10,200
If that's checked, then you need
to, you know, look for other

1193
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,400
options.
Similar stuff here.

1194
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:18,000
Over here on this section on the
right hand side is where the LDS

1195
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,160
Church has put in this family
group record ordinance.

1196
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,040
Information that can be recorded
says what day they were

1197
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,600
baptized, when were they
endowed, when were they sealed

1198
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,960
to their parents or to their
spouse, and it has also what

1199
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:35,120
temple or location that this was
done in.

1200
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:39,960
Gotcha.
OK, Chris and date, can you know

1201
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,560
in in the in the Mormon
tradition, we give a child a

1202
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,000
name and a blessing.
Is that where that information

1203
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,399
would go if we have it?
That's where I record it.

1204
01:08:48,399 --> 01:08:52,600
But I make a note that is an LDS
blessing and not a Christian

1205
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:56,000
christening, but I have done
that.

1206
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,439
And then I just make a note
because like I'll put it in here

1207
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,479
christened and then I'll put in
the place.

1208
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,880
And then over here at the end,
if I have room, I'll just like

1209
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:05,319
put a little asterisks and put
that.

1210
01:09:05,319 --> 01:09:07,960
And if I don't have room, I go
to the bottom, which I don't

1211
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:11,200
have showing here into there's
like a note section or I write

1212
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:15,680
it on the back and say, you
know, so and so's, you know,

1213
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:20,920
christening date is really name
and a blessing ordinance so that

1214
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:25,319
it's it's there.
And I have it now the LDS

1215
01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:28,240
church, you know, and I'm I'm
just going to skip to the next

1216
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:30,200
page.
So let's see.

1217
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:35,160
This is one that's filled out.
You might recognize this name

1218
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,120
from earlier.
It's Leslie's father, Isaiah

1219
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:40,800
Mark, and you can see his vital
statistics are all filled in

1220
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:44,080
here and the record of his
ordinance work where it was done

1221
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:47,359
in the LDS Church.
I want to note something here.

1222
01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:49,880
We're going to zoom in on his
work, but I want to note that,

1223
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:52,760
you know, I have this
information because I had it

1224
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,360
when I, I got it when I was a
member of the LDS Church.

1225
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:59,000
If you're not a member of record
of the LDS Church, you will not

1226
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,400
have that information unless you
have a family member who is a, a

1227
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:06,000
member and they will be willing
to share that information with

1228
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:07,960
you.
Otherwise, you're on your own

1229
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,280
and it's going to be blank.
Got you.

1230
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,920
Just so you know, if you're and
I'm, I'm going to talk about

1231
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:17,160
some other online places, if
you're on their familysearch.org

1232
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:21,640
site doing research or finding
family names and you pull this

1233
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:25,760
up if they're blank, that's why.
OK, now that number next to the

1234
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,240
names, is that just for the LES
churches use?

1235
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,280
Yes.
So this number here in

1236
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:35,080
parentheses next to the names is
called their FamilySearch ID.

1237
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:38,040
And so if you are in
FamilySearch, you could go in

1238
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:40,520
there and type in that number
and it would come up.

1239
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:47,360
Now make a note that
FamilySearch is an open

1240
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:50,720
environment.
It's not private, and there

1241
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,440
could be more.
They could be the same person,

1242
01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:55,760
but there could be multiple
records of that person.

1243
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:59,840
For example, my mom passed away
a few years ago.

1244
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:05,000
I had her as a living person on
my account in my tree on

1245
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:09,960
FamilySearch.
So did my 50,000 other relatives

1246
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,480
that are LDS.
And when she died, and maybe it

1247
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:17,720
wasn't 50,000, it was a slight
exaggeration, but when she died,

1248
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:23,000
there were a lot of records and
anybody with an account can go

1249
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,920
in and start merging those
records.

1250
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:30,720
And so it depends on which
record they chose to to keep as

1251
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:34,160
the source will depend on if
that number is going to be valid

1252
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:37,960
moving forward.
So that is subject to change

1253
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,840
based off that merging and and
how they do it.

1254
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:43,880
The other problem with merging
records is that if they pick the

1255
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:47,600
wrong one that doesn't have the
accurate LDS ordinances listed

1256
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:53,600
in it, it might say things like
still the parents is not listed

1257
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,280
here like this is.
And I'll talk about what this

1258
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:58,320
means here in a second, but it's
not listed that way.

1259
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:05,200
And So what do you do then?
Because I happen to know that

1260
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,720
Isaiah Mark Coombs was born in
the covenant, but now it's

1261
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,440
missing.
And it was on there, but now

1262
01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:14,600
it's not.
Well, if if you want to keep the

1263
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:18,000
LDS church records proper, there
is a way that you can contact

1264
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:19,080
them.
They can look into that.

1265
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:21,640
They can get those updated.
They know that this information

1266
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:23,480
drops off.
Gotcha.

1267
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:27,120
So they can go back and get it
updated and fixed.

1268
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:30,480
OK, but let's let's talk about
some of this stuff up here.

1269
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:34,000
So you can see the vital
statistics are listed and it has

1270
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:38,000
the place, you know, where those
happened, where he's buried is

1271
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,640
in here, his father's and
mother's information.

1272
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:43,880
And it's also marked that they
are deceased.

1273
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:48,680
And then there's a spot here
that says other parents and

1274
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:52,840
spouses.
So this is where in our world we

1275
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:58,160
would list, you know, other
mothers, other wives.

1276
01:12:58,440 --> 01:12:59,560
Gotcha.
OK.

1277
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:03,160
OK.
And you can, you can I, what I

1278
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,440
tend to do is I will write
really teeny tiny.

1279
01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:09,120
I get the smallest little pen
that I can find, you know, like

1280
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:13,280
a .7 or something.
And I write in here as small as

1281
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,960
I can because depending on how
many of them you have, you know

1282
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,680
you're going to need some space.
Sometimes if it's too much, I

1283
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:23,880
just write C note section or C
research journal For more

1284
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:29,080
information or turn the page
over and I write them all behind

1285
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:32,320
the husband's box.
There what all the wives names

1286
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:36,520
are and you know maybe where I
can find more information or

1287
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,360
what family group record number
that they are 'cause you can

1288
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,160
number these up here.
Notice this right here.

1289
01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:44,720
Family group record number.
Right, OK.

1290
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:48,800
And you're going to number those
as 1234, and they're going to

1291
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,920
match the numbers that you put
on that pedigree chart that we

1292
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:53,240
filled out.
Remember how I said I numbered

1293
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,720
all those names up there?
I matched those here.

1294
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:59,040
So Isaiah Mark on that chart in
my mind would have been, let's

1295
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:02,640
see, Leslie 234.
He would have been #4 So I would

1296
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:06,480
have put this as a four to match
the pedigree chart.

1297
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:08,480
Gotcha.
Yep, that makes sense.

1298
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:11,400
Just because what I do when I
number them, and maybe I should

1299
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:16,800
go back and show you really
quick when I number them here,

1300
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:28,280
Leslie would be
123456789101112131415.

1301
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:31,160
Gotcha.
OK, so that's how I number them.

1302
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,720
And then I have these like down
here, it says buy you can put

1303
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:36,880
your name in here.
So a lot of times I'll have

1304
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:41,880
like, you know, pedigree chart
#1 So sometimes when I get here

1305
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:45,920
to the family group sheet where
I have this number, it'll say

1306
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:51,240
1-4 so I can find the recorded
reference.

1307
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,840
So you know, you, you'll figure
out how to do some of these

1308
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,360
things as you go and and move
along.

1309
01:14:57,480 --> 01:15:02,320
But I wanted to talk about some
of this stuff here on the side

1310
01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:05,200
for a minute.
So I'm going to zoom in a little

1311
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,200
bit more so it's a little bit
bigger and people can see it a

1312
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,200
little bit more, maybe without
weaning in or putting it on

1313
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:15,120
their 90 inch TV or something.
But you know, here I want you to

1314
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:16,680
look at how the dates are
recorded.

1315
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:20,240
Look at how the places are
recorded and look at how the

1316
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,680
ordinances are recorded.
And we're going to dive into

1317
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:27,160
this a little bit more about how
to record names and places, but

1318
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:29,480
I want to talk to you about the
LDS ordinances.

1319
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:32,920
So again, I want to say if you
are a member of the LDS Church,

1320
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:36,760
you have a membership record and
it and you're not excommunicated

1321
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,880
or didn't have your name removed
from there, then you can get

1322
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,200
this ordinance information when
you pull them up there.

1323
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:46,800
But if you are not anymore a
member of record, then you will

1324
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:49,840
not see that information.
But on this section, you're

1325
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:51,760
going to see abbreviations for
temples.

1326
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,600
You're going to see
abbreviations for other

1327
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:58,360
information as well.
So and the dates are not going

1328
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:01,760
to be noticed that the baptism
date says 7 October but the

1329
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,360
birth date says 22 August.
Right, it's.

1330
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:08,600
Spelled out it's also amount of
room, so there is some of that.

1331
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:12,560
We can record them both ways,
but typically you want to spell

1332
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:15,680
everything out.
So let's start with the temple

1333
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,680
or place column over here.
If I can get my mouse back up

1334
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:22,600
here, here we have E House or
EHOUS.

1335
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:25,360
Endowment House.
Endowment House, correct?

1336
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:32,120
If it said STGEO, what's that?
STG What?

1337
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:35,760
STGEO.
Oh, Saint George.

1338
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:39,440
Saint George Yes.
So they're going to be, you

1339
01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:41,760
know, abbreviated because
there's only so much space there

1340
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,960
that you can type in.
Do you know what BIC is?

1341
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:47,360
Born in the Covenant.
Correct.

1342
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:50,680
Born in the covenant, I have had
fundamentalist ask me what does

1343
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:52,840
that mean?
And so it's important to know

1344
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,080
what does born in the covenant
really mean?

1345
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,000
David, you want to explain?
Yeah, born in the covenant is

1346
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,400
where the husband and wife have
been sealed prior to the child's

1347
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:05,040
birth.
So just as an example, when

1348
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:08,240
Amber and I first got married, I
wasn't a member of the LDS

1349
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:11,560
church for a year, so we
couldn't go in to be sealed.

1350
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,160
We had to wait a full year from
the time I was baptized.

1351
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:19,320
And because we'd been married a
full year, Amber got pregnant

1352
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:25,200
really quick.
She has the baby, and he's not

1353
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:28,480
technically sealed to us, right?
And so we have to take the

1354
01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:30,840
child, take Tyler back in, and
be sealed.

1355
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:34,160
Now all of our subsequent
children are born in the

1356
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:40,600
covenant, meaning that they came
to us, they're born after we had

1357
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,920
been sealed.
So it's it's basically having a

1358
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,480
child after you've been sealed
to your spouse.

1359
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:51,800
Correct.
And so like with my

1360
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:55,440
grandparents, they were married.
They were married in the church,

1361
01:17:56,520 --> 01:18:03,680
They lived in Canada and they
had a child before the carts.

1362
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:07,040
And Alberta Temple was, you
know, dedicated and in use.

1363
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:11,960
In fact, they helped build the
temple and when they went

1364
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:13,720
through that first session, they
got sealed.

1365
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:20,320
Then he, I mean any other kids
after that were born in the

1366
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:23,480
covenant, but the first one was
not, so their daughter was not.

1367
01:18:23,480 --> 01:18:26,120
But the next child was a boy,
and he was listed as born in the

1368
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:28,840
covenant, and all the rest of
those children would be as well.

1369
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:30,280
Right.
Yep.

1370
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:34,560
So very two good examples for
you there now.

1371
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,400
And we also know that he was
born in the covenant because you

1372
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:42,120
know, if we went and looked up
the parents's records, it would

1373
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:46,960
say when they were sealed to
their spouse on their records

1374
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:52,120
and you would go, OK, well they
were sealed in March of 1860 and

1375
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:56,040
he was born in August of 1861.
So of course he was born in the

1376
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:58,160
covenant.
And sometimes you'll notice that

1377
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:01,960
these records get kind of muffed
up a little bit on FamilySearch

1378
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:03,960
because of all that merging that
I talked about.

1379
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:06,480
And so pay attention to those
little details.

1380
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:09,240
Look, take the time to look
things up and know, is this

1381
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:10,960
true?
Does it really need to be done?

1382
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:14,280
Was it done with an acceptable
time frame that I'm concerned

1383
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:17,600
with or or not?
Right.

1384
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:21,840
And always, always, always pray.
Pray and seek guidance.

1385
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:25,840
Keep that always in your heart.
So the next thing we're going to

1386
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,280
talk about now that we've, we've
talked about a couple of

1387
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:31,560
records, right forms that we
fill out to help us, but we're

1388
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:33,560
going to, I'm going to talk
about record keeping.

1389
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:36,120
Then we're going to move on to
how to do some recording.

1390
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:39,320
And then we're going to talk
more about record keeping and

1391
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:41,320
back and forth.
No, sounds good.

1392
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:43,920
OK.
Do you have any questions on

1393
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,000
anything we've covered up to
this point that we need to

1394
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:47,960
review?
Nope, been super clear.

1395
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:52,840
OK, good.
OK, So for record keeping, you

1396
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:56,520
know, this is important.
I cannot mention it enough.

1397
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,280
It is very important to keep
accurate records of what you've

1398
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,480
discovered.
You know, have your log book, a

1399
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:06,720
notebook, whatever, next to you
when you're doing things.

1400
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:10,480
I mean, here's something, you
know, interesting is that I have

1401
01:20:10,480 --> 01:20:14,800
always, since I was a little
kid, whenever we go somewhere,

1402
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,560
we go on a road trip, stop at a
cemetery.

1403
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:20,760
I cannot tell you how many times
we picnicked in cemeteries

1404
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:24,000
versus eating out at a
restaurant because we were doing

1405
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:28,080
stuff for families and.
That is such the Mormon thing

1406
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:32,200
I've ever.
Heard and that's the thing we do

1407
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:35,800
and I cannot tell you how many I
mean on my phone I cannot tell

1408
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:41,080
you how many pictures I have of
headstones and cemeteries and

1409
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:44,800
are sitting around a headstone
and having lunch to together or

1410
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:48,320
getting a family shot on it by a
headstone I cannot tell you so

1411
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:54,080
it is it is it's very Mormon and
it's very fundamental Mormon by

1412
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:55,080
the way yes it.
Is.

1413
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:00,640
But you know, we need to know
what we've documented and taking

1414
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:04,880
pictures with your phone is
great because our phones are

1415
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:07,480
connected, you know, to the
atomic clock.

1416
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:09,720
And so they're always going to
record that detail.

1417
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,520
Whether you share that publicly
or not, you'll have it.

1418
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:14,680
You can open up your phone, you
can see what the picture was,

1419
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:16,440
you know what date you took that
information.

1420
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:21,240
So, you know, that's one great
way to help record information

1421
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:25,240
as well.
But you know, if you have a

1422
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:27,560
camera, make sure your date
settings are right.

1423
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:32,840
Right.
OK, so, you know, there's a lot

1424
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:38,000
of ways to to do this to keep
our records accurate.

1425
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,480
And 1st, you know, start filling
out, like I said, the pedigree

1426
01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:43,920
chart, the family group sheet
number, the people like I talked

1427
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,800
about and on both of them and
make sure that they correlate

1428
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,280
together.
Pardon me.

1429
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:53,480
It just helps keep things, your
records complete and you can,

1430
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:57,200
they're traceable, right?
If they get, you know, out of

1431
01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:01,080
the binder and, and you know,
disarray, you can put them back

1432
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,840
in order.
And so you know, yes, that's

1433
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:07,000
paper trail.
There's your tools online, your

1434
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,640
software, your online tools,
They're going to help you keep

1435
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:11,640
that together.
But I have both.

1436
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:14,760
So I just want to make sure, you
know, you can, this can be

1437
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:16,960
printed or on a device.
You need to be organized.

1438
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:20,960
Once you have your pedigree
chart filled out and you've

1439
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:25,760
decided that you need to store
this permanently, I want to talk

1440
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:27,800
a little bit about that.
So what are what are some

1441
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:32,400
options?
Start with free options and

1442
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:42,840
expand as you need to do so.
Free options are, I'm sorry, so

1443
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:46,000
free options for genealogy
websites, There's several of

1444
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,040
them that allow us to build a
tree for free.

1445
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,600
But if you want to do research,
you're going to have to pay

1446
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:54,040
either a monthly or a yearly
service.

1447
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:59,880
OK, So some of those online
options are ancestry.com,

1448
01:22:59,880 --> 01:23:05,160
Legacy, Family Tree, MyHeritage.
Those are some online services

1449
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:07,840
that you could use along with
FamilySearch.

1450
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:10,920
And I want to say, you know, I
mean, while I'm not a fan of the

1451
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:15,720
merging problems that can exist,
FamilySearch has expanded.

1452
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:19,960
I mean, I remember it before it
was family, it was called new

1453
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:23,600
FamilySearch at least twice in
in all this process.

1454
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:25,160
And now it's just back to
FamilySearch again.

1455
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:27,680
But I remember before it was
FamilySearch, I can't remember

1456
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:30,280
what the name of it was, but
there was a way to get to that

1457
01:23:30,440 --> 01:23:32,560
information online.
And I was doing genealogy in

1458
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,000
that version.
And before that you were on

1459
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,640
micro fish and microfilm and
going to, you know, stake

1460
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:41,600
centers or family history
libraries in the LDS church to,

1461
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:46,000
to do all this stuff physically
or driving around the nation or

1462
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:48,960
the, the state, going to county
offices to gather records and

1463
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,000
stuff.
But the LDS church has this,

1464
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:53,640
this free FamilySearch and you
can set that account up for

1465
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,040
free.
And when you do that, you can

1466
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:58,280
save your tree.
You can save information.

1467
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:02,480
And you know, there's a free
tree on Ancestry as well.

1468
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:04,680
I can't speak to the other ones
I mentioned, but there's a free

1469
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:07,320
tree on Ancestry as well.
It's when you want to start

1470
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:09,600
using their research tools that
it costs.

1471
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:13,000
And why do I bring that back up
again is because FamilySearch

1472
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:15,240
also has some free research
tools.

1473
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,720
Free research tools.
You don't have to be a member of

1474
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:20,760
the LDS Church to use
FamilySearch.

1475
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,720
Anybody can use it.
You do have to be a member to

1476
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:25,920
see their ordinance records.
Gotcha.

1477
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:29,920
OK, but you can use it and they
have a ton of stuff that they

1478
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:33,360
have digitized and indexed and
put online and you can even help

1479
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:35,720
with indexing.
There's a an app that you can go

1480
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:39,680
in and sign up for it and follow
all those processes if you if

1481
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:44,280
you want to, but they have a
bunch of tools that you can use.

1482
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:48,400
And so you can, you can see what
you've entered and then boom,

1483
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:50,520
that tree will just expand all
of a sudden because you'll hit

1484
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:53,960
one person and they'll be like,
is that this person?

1485
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:57,120
And you look at all of your
records and you're like, I think

1486
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,240
that's the same person.
And you look into it.

1487
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:02,960
And once you add them to your
tree, a whole bunch of stuff

1488
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:06,200
will expand.
Now, I'm not saying that they're

1489
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:09,320
all legit.
You still need to do your due

1490
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:13,120
diligence and decide whether you
agree with what just happened to

1491
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:18,120
your tree and that expansion.
But because some people you

1492
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:22,480
know, aren't as due diligent,
you know, don't do their due

1493
01:25:22,480 --> 01:25:26,040
diligence, I should say, and
assuring that and they'll take

1494
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:28,080
any hint that comes along.
Or tip.

1495
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:30,600
OK.
So you want to make sure that it

1496
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:35,000
is your person when you have
them in your tree, but anybody

1497
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:37,680
that you disassociate once
you've connected with other

1498
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:40,400
people will disassociate them
from those other trees as well.

1499
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:44,840
So Cognizant and that's why I
don't use FamilySearch as my

1500
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:47,320
only tree.
Gotcha.

1501
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:51,160
I I have a FamilySearch account
and I have a tree there.

1502
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:53,480
I have an Ancestry account, I
have a tree there, and I have

1503
01:25:53,480 --> 01:25:56,120
software on my computer.
The software is my source of

1504
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:58,000
truth.
Ancestry is my second.

1505
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:01,840
FamilySearch is just great
because there's free tools and

1506
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:04,680
opportunities to gather
information, hook up with stuff,

1507
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:06,760
and verify that what I have is
true or not true.

1508
01:26:07,440 --> 01:26:10,040
That's how I look at it.
But it is great for

1509
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:13,520
collaborating on research and
not so great for storing your

1510
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:15,040
personal information.
Right.

1511
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,960
I also want to mention that even
though there's free accounts and

1512
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:22,600
you can put in live people and
dead people, the live people

1513
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:26,360
will not show up to anybody else
except for you logged in as your

1514
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:27,680
account.
Oh, OK.

1515
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:31,320
So even like I said with my mom,
when she died, you know, I went

1516
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:34,200
in and I marked her as deceased.
I noticed that there was a whole

1517
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:36,720
bunch of other people that were
marked as, you know, that my

1518
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:38,840
mom, you know, had entered my
mom's records and they had

1519
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:41,680
marked her as deceased within a
month or so of her passing.

1520
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:43,800
And now all these had to be
merged into one.

1521
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:48,000
I got you OK.
OK, so you just keep those kind

1522
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,680
of things, you know, in your
back of your mind.

1523
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:53,160
But living people are marked
private.

1524
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:57,320
There's laws against it.
They can't just go do that.

1525
01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:02,000
So let's see software packages.
Let's talk about that for a

1526
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:03,560
little bit with record keeping
here.

1527
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:09,880
There's legacy family tree,
there is family tree heritage

1528
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:13,240
and that one I believe is
associated with MyHeritage

1529
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:15,720
online stuff.
And MyHeritage is great,

1530
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:20,160
especially if you have a lot of
ancestors in Europe, overseas,

1531
01:27:20,480 --> 01:27:23,960
they have more of that where
some of these other things are.

1532
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:26,440
I mean, ancestry is getting
better.

1533
01:27:26,440 --> 01:27:29,040
They're they're worldwide now.
They have all kinds of records.

1534
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:36,200
But you know, in the past that
was the one to do that, but for,

1535
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:38,600
you know, connecting to other
trees as well.

1536
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:42,800
I use Roots Magic.
And the reason I do that is

1537
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:48,480
because it will connect when I
click the button to FamilySearch

1538
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:52,520
or to Ancestry.
And I can do verifications and

1539
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:55,680
stuff that way as well and pull
information down into my tree

1540
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:58,560
that I choose that I have
verified from those other

1541
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:00,640
sources.
Gotcha, so it just gives you an

1542
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:03,520
extra level of control.
Yes, got you.

1543
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:07,160
And then I know that whatever's
in my roots magic tree on the

1544
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:10,040
software, I know I'm good
because I've done my due

1545
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:11,480
diligence.
Got you.

1546
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:12,880
OK.
OK.

1547
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:15,560
And also, just for the record, I
don't work for any of these

1548
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:18,080
companies, right?
I'm not promoting one over

1549
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:20,680
another.
I'm just saying, you know, I've

1550
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:23,720
done some research on this and
this is what I'm using and it's

1551
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:26,000
worked really well for me.
OK.

1552
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:30,760
So, OK, let's talk about
recording names, dates and

1553
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:34,680
places.
So we're going to start with,

1554
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:40,440
you know, we're recording
information here and we need to

1555
01:28:40,440 --> 01:28:43,360
know how to write it down.
You know, some of us, if I had a

1556
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:45,760
whiteboard right now and I was
in a classroom setting, I would

1557
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:48,960
be writing various ways that
people can write dates.

1558
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:55,160
Maybe it's 112 O 8.
Maybe it's, you know, O

1559
01:28:55,160 --> 01:29:02,920
1/12/2008, you know, maybe it's
12 one O 8.

1560
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:05,960
Right.
And they're all the same dates

1561
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:08,000
depending on where you are in
the world and how you learned

1562
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:11,040
how to write this, you know?
And so that's why I was pointing

1563
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:13,720
out the dates when I was sharing
that family group sheet.

1564
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:17,600
When we're recording
information, we want to use a

1565
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:21,280
system, and we want to use a
system with dates.

1566
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:23,280
We want to use a system with
names, and we want to use the

1567
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:26,040
system with places.
And so we're going to talk here

1568
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:29,840
a little bit about some of that
by following these standards

1569
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:32,920
that you will help ensure that
your genealogy data is as

1570
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:35,960
complete as possible and it will
not be misinterpreted by other

1571
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:37,680
people, no matter where they are
in the world.

1572
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,920
And a lot of genealogy software
programs have their own

1573
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:43,400
individual rules about entering
names, dates, and places.

1574
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,880
So be sure to read up on that
when you're installing software

1575
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:51,040
or using the online versions of
different trees the first time

1576
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,120
so that you understand how
they're recording it.

1577
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:57,240
OK, so let's jump into names,
recording names.

1578
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:00,440
You want to record them in their
natural order first, middle

1579
01:30:00,440 --> 01:30:02,000
last.
OK.

1580
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:09,520
And if the middle name is not
known, then you may put, you

1581
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:15,080
know, middle name not known.
I think it's M middle unknown.

1582
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:20,240
Is it MUNI think it's our middle
initial unknown.

1583
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:22,120
And I I don't know.
I'm gonna have to look that up.

1584
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:23,720
I'm sorry.
I'll have it in the handouts the

1585
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:24,440
right way.
You're good.

1586
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:28,000
But if you don't know the full
middle name, but you know that

1587
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:30,840
it's an initial, you can always
just put the initial in in that

1588
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:32,240
place for the middle name as
well.

1589
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:36,920
So for example, if your name was
Sean Michael Thomas, you would

1590
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:41,040
record that as Sean Capital S
Michael Capital M Thomas.

1591
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:46,960
All CAPS Surnames in Uppercase
Letters provides easy scanning

1592
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:49,280
on pedigree charts and family
group sheets and helps you

1593
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:52,160
distinguish a surname from a
first name or a middle name.

1594
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:54,760
Because in this example, Shawn
Michael, Thomas, those are all

1595
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:57,160
first names.
They're all middle names, but

1596
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:59,000
Thomas is also a last name.
Right.

1597
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:02,400
So if it's in caps there will be
no confusion.

1598
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:04,000
Gotcha.
OK.

1599
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:08,840
OK, this convention is widely
used, but it's not necessarily

1600
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:13,120
seen in some online services
like FamilySearch for example.

1601
01:31:13,440 --> 01:31:16,480
Gotcha.
OK, when you enter a woman's

1602
01:31:16,480 --> 01:31:20,360
name, you need to record it with
their maiden name, that which is

1603
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:23,640
their surname, last name that
they were given at birth, rather

1604
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:26,800
than with the husband's name.
So when you don't know the

1605
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:31,080
female's middle name then only
put their first given name on

1606
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:33,960
the chart and then maybe
followed by an empty

1607
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:37,400
parentheses.
So here on this this example I

1608
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:40,240
have with nicknames how it has
the bond in parentheses.

1609
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:43,320
Right.
If you didn't know that, it

1610
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:49,080
would just be blank.
OK, on that example, I put this

1611
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:51,480
up here because I, I wanted a
whole bunch of examples in one

1612
01:31:51,480 --> 01:31:53,800
line.
So I'm just calling that part

1613
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:56,840
out.
OK, so some genealogists will

1614
01:31:56,920 --> 01:32:01,760
also record the husband's name.
So example here, Poovy last

1615
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:04,520
name, all in caps.
That's the husband's name.

1616
01:32:05,480 --> 01:32:07,920
And sometimes if you record the
husband's name, it'll be in

1617
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:11,000
parentheses as well, which I
don't have on this example.

1618
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:13,840
But if it's in parentheses, it's
because you don't know for

1619
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:17,640
certain for certain, but it is.
And sometimes when I record it

1620
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:20,680
as the husband's last name and I
do it in parentheses, I'll put

1621
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:24,320
that plus sign in there to
trigger my brain that this is

1622
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:27,080
needing more information.
I I see.

1623
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:32,960
Yep, that makes sense.
OK, if a woman has had more than

1624
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:39,360
one husband, then you know you
would still enter the given name

1625
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:42,640
followed by the maiden name,
potentially like this.

1626
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:46,120
So you would have Virginia
Elizabeth.

1627
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:53,880
Ginger is the nickname, the Bond
is the husband's name, and Poovy

1628
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:58,240
is the made a name in caps.
So that's one way that you could

1629
01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:00,720
record all of that information
on one line as a name.

1630
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:03,480
Gotcha.
Including the nicknames.

1631
01:33:03,480 --> 01:33:07,760
So nicknames, you know, we've
got that example up there as

1632
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:11,000
well.
You know, Marvin Hayes, nickname

1633
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:13,520
of Buck.
I would have never gotten Buck

1634
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:17,400
if somebody called him and they,
everybody called him Buck.

1635
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:19,960
I would have.
I didn't know for years his name

1636
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:22,320
was Marvin and his middle name
was Hayes.

1637
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:26,680
Did not know.
He's just Uncle Buck, so and and

1638
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:31,440
it's not like it's, you know,
Bill or Liam for William, right?

1639
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:34,480
It's Buck.
Where'd that come from?

1640
01:33:34,480 --> 01:33:37,480
There's a story there.
It might be an interesting story

1641
01:33:37,480 --> 01:33:39,280
too.
So you want to dig in and find

1642
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:43,240
out, but don't be afraid in
instances like this to use your

1643
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:45,040
note fields.
There's no fields in the

1644
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:46,640
software.
There's no fields in online

1645
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:48,320
stuff.
And then you have your research

1646
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:51,720
paper logs that you can write
stuff into notes.

1647
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:54,200
Remove any assumptions and
doubt.

1648
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:56,800
Gotcha.
OK, dates.

1649
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:02,880
So it is important to record
dates according to genealogical

1650
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:08,160
standards because if you enter
them differently, then you know,

1651
01:34:08,160 --> 01:34:11,800
you might be using a European
format or something else.

1652
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:14,760
And this is more following like
a military type format.

1653
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:18,120
And I'm good with that because I
have military families.

1654
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:21,120
So I get it.
It worked easy for me, but it

1655
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:24,120
might take a minute for you or
brain to think differently

1656
01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:26,560
because maybe we're used to
writing them as you know.

1657
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:32,960
For example, June 20th 1993
would be 6 dash or slash 20

1658
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:41,640
slash 1993 or just 93 and
European you know standards are

1659
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:44,920
way different also.
So always record the day, then

1660
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:49,400
the month spelled out preferred
only abbreviated to three

1661
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:53,480
letters in places you don't have
enough space to spell it out.

1662
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:58,640
OK.
And do not enter dates using the

1663
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:01,480
number format at all because
that will confuse people

1664
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:04,000
thoroughly.
And it is usually standard

1665
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:06,880
practice, like I said, to spell
the months out because then that

1666
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:11,640
doesn't leave questions.
And if I've spelled something

1667
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:14,960
out and it's say it was scanned
in, OCR picks it up.

1668
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:22,120
And then my cousin, who, you
know, dad went on, you know, a

1669
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:25,840
mission to South Africa and they
stayed there.

1670
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:28,280
And now they all speak a
different language because he

1671
01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:30,360
married somebody down there.
They're all speaking a different

1672
01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:34,720
language when that converts the
OCR document to their language.

1673
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:41,520
A three digit or three character
date month might not translate

1674
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:44,240
to December, it might translate
to something else.

1675
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:48,080
So spelling them all out helps
keep records straight.

1676
01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:49,400
Gotcha.
OK.

1677
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:53,400
So we're going to talk about
abbreviations a little bit

1678
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:55,360
later, but I put some
abbreviations up here.

1679
01:35:57,320 --> 01:36:00,880
Example abbreviations are using
AC dot and then a date for circa

1680
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:05,680
and ABT for about.
They were born about December

1681
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:08,960
1850 I think.
OK, so I got a question.

1682
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:11,120
Circa means the same thing as
about, right?

1683
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:14,280
Yep, but you'll see it written
both ways.

1684
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:15,640
OK.
All right.

1685
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:18,400
Just curious.
Yep, you'll see it written both

1686
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:20,640
ways and that's why I put them
both on that line together.

1687
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:22,560
Gotcha.
OK, All right.

1688
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:23,760
Makes sense.
Yep.

1689
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:27,920
So and then a between date is.
This is example of how you would

1690
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:30,760
write this date.
BET is the abbreviation with a

1691
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:34,920
period and then you put in the
the date and the proper format.

1692
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:38,640
Now May is spelled out right?
April isn't.

1693
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:42,480
They're both 3 characters.
Ideally you would spell April

1694
01:36:42,480 --> 01:36:43,920
out.
Got you.

1695
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:46,640
Fully and not just leave it like
this, OK.

1696
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:51,920
And you would use that for, you
know, like the between is if you

1697
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:56,520
knew this happened, either, you
know, between the state and this

1698
01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:59,640
state, this event happened, but
you don't know what date that

1699
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:00,920
happened.
That's when you would use

1700
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:05,600
between and the, the about would
be, you know, oh, I don't

1701
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:09,560
remember if it was the last week
of December, the first week of,

1702
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:13,200
you know, January, or if it was
the last week of November, 1st

1703
01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:16,080
week of December.
So we'll use the about there.

1704
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:18,040
There's some other things that
we're going to talk about like

1705
01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:20,480
befores and afters, and we'll
get into that a little bit

1706
01:37:20,480 --> 01:37:21,280
later.
OK.

1707
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:26,840
If you determine an exact date
of the event or I mean, if

1708
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:29,800
you're unable to determine an
exact date of the event, then

1709
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:32,920
you will use, you know this
information to kind of narrow

1710
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:34,760
that down.
When you're doing more searching

1711
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:38,840
for actual records, you know,
like birth certificates, death

1712
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:42,760
certificates, census records,
things like that, that span some

1713
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:47,680
time you that that's when this
will be helpful to note it this

1714
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:50,560
way in your research.
If you find a date in a record

1715
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:53,000
that has multiple
interpretations, what do you do?

1716
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:57,760
The best method is to enter the
date exactly as it was written

1717
01:37:58,160 --> 01:38:01,840
in that interpretation.
Then you can add a plus sign, or

1718
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:06,560
you can make a note somewhere
and say you know I think it's

1719
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:09,240
this.
Or you could record it as

1720
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:14,680
O2/O1/O1 and then in square
brackets you can put your

1721
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:18,680
interpretation 2nd of January 19
O one.

1722
01:38:19,560 --> 01:38:21,840
OK, no, that makes sense.
Yep.

1723
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:25,600
Also we need to understand the
use of Julian calendars and

1724
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:29,640
Gregorian calendars when we are
doing genealogy work, because

1725
01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:34,880
this kind of change took place
in around 1582 by the order of

1726
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:38,360
Pope Gregory the whatever 13th I
think it was.

1727
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:46,280
He wasn't adopted by or this
wasn't adopted by England or so

1728
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:51,520
you know, or North America until
like 200 years later.

1729
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:54,960
China did not conform to the
Gregorian calendar until like

1730
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:58,120
1949.
So I'm not going to get into all

1731
01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:00,960
these crazy details here.
That's an entirely different

1732
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:05,040
subject in class, more in depth.
But how can this affect your

1733
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:07,600
records?
And why is it important to

1734
01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:12,960
understand this calendar change?
Well, old style calendars were

1735
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:18,640
in fact in the British Empire
before 1752, when the present

1736
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:23,160
Gregorian calendar was adopted.
And so new historical calendar

1737
01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:26,720
is recognized January 1st after
the first day of that year,

1738
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:32,600
while the religious calendar
recognized March 25th as the

1739
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:37,480
first day of the year.
So if in a journal entry or

1740
01:39:37,480 --> 01:39:40,400
something else it says that my
child was born the first day of

1741
01:39:40,400 --> 01:39:45,520
the year, is that March 25th or
is that January 1st?

1742
01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:49,200
So you need to understand that
and that the 6th day of the

1743
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:52,320
third month could be referring
to March or May.

1744
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:54,920
Gotcha.
OK.

1745
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:57,480
And then if you think about the
Hebrew calendar and where the

1746
01:39:57,480 --> 01:40:00,760
Hebrew calendars start and end
and how those work, if if

1747
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:03,480
you're, you know, have Jewish
ancestors, how are they

1748
01:40:03,480 --> 01:40:05,880
recording it?
What calendar are they using to

1749
01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:10,040
record the state so that you can
translate into the current month

1750
01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:12,400
for your own?
Information.

1751
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:16,760
So best rule of thumb thumb is
to record the dates exactly as

1752
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:19,720
they were written and then use
those square brackets to put

1753
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:21,640
what your interpretation of that
is.

1754
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:22,560
Gotcha.
I'm not.

1755
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:25,480
Going to go into any more on
that calendar thing, but you

1756
01:40:25,480 --> 01:40:29,240
know, you can look up calendars
and dates online and get a big

1757
01:40:29,240 --> 01:40:32,200
history lesson on that if you
care to get into that or have,

1758
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:35,200
you know, family that might fall
into those categories.

1759
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:39,520
Gotcha.
So other things for the date

1760
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:41,600
abbreviations here we're going
to talk about the about, the

1761
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:43,200
before, the after, and the
between.

1762
01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:46,680
Here's how you denote those in
your dates and what they mean.

1763
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:50,760
So you would use about and then
you would put the date in there.

1764
01:40:51,040 --> 01:40:55,240
So some examples, if you're just
getting started with genealogy

1765
01:40:55,240 --> 01:40:57,720
work, when you look at primary
and secondary source records

1766
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:00,960
like a census, then you're going
to see some of these

1767
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:05,840
abbreviations because they have
a lot of information on a little

1768
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:10,360
bit of, you know, a little area.
So, you know, on a census

1769
01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:13,400
record, you might find a child
who's seven years old in 1850.

1770
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:18,840
Censuses are taken every 10
years, right?

1771
01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:23,080
The next census comes along in
1860 and that child could be

1772
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:28,400
recorded as 1617 or 18 depending
on the time of year that they

1773
01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:31,280
got there for the census and
when that child's birthday is.

1774
01:41:32,840 --> 01:41:35,520
After a couple more census
records, these dates could all

1775
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:37,400
be messed up.
You're like, how old is this

1776
01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:40,920
person anyway, right?
You really don't know.

1777
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:45,280
And so if you only have the
census record to determine the

1778
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:49,360
year and birth of the birth of
this child, it might, you know,

1779
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:53,840
you you're going to find that
census math counting by 10s

1780
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:57,280
isn't always accurate.
So instead you might want to say

1781
01:41:57,280 --> 01:42:02,160
abt 1843 instead of putting an
exact date.

1782
01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:05,400
Right.
Or an exact year even.

1783
01:42:05,400 --> 01:42:07,720
Because sometimes they don't
have the the month and the day

1784
01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:11,240
that the child was born.
If they did it would help a lot.

1785
01:42:11,440 --> 01:42:16,480
They just say the child is 7 and
and then the child is 16.

1786
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:21,120
Because the maybe the kid was
born in April and the when they

1787
01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:24,040
were seven, they came the end of
April after his birthday.

1788
01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:26,600
And when 10 years later they
came with the first part of

1789
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:29,280
April and got him, you know, you
know what I mean?

1790
01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:30,920
Your birthdays are all muffed
up.

1791
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:33,600
Yeah.
And, and the nice thing about

1792
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:37,600
that is, is that I could see it
preventing conflict, right?

1793
01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:41,560
If someone happens to come up
with a a really solid date that

1794
01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:46,000
fits you know, about or between
that, that gives you the

1795
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:47,680
opportunity to be a little more
flexible.

1796
01:42:48,440 --> 01:42:49,760
Correct.
Gotcha.

1797
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:50,880
Correct.
All right.

1798
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:55,560
So we'll talk more about primary
and secondary sources, but a

1799
01:42:55,560 --> 01:42:59,480
census record typically is
considered to be a secondary

1800
01:42:59,480 --> 01:43:02,840
source for this type, dates,
birthdays, that kind of thing

1801
01:43:03,200 --> 01:43:06,720
for the most part, and names
because that wasn't where they

1802
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:08,840
were named.
But they're great for

1803
01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:12,880
pinpointing your ancestor in
time in a certain location so

1804
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:14,800
that you can dig it and find out
more information.

1805
01:43:15,240 --> 01:43:18,040
And you know, you could have a
whole class just on census

1806
01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:21,040
record research.
But note that these are

1807
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:23,600
abbreviations.
Sometimes they are put in caps

1808
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:26,440
so that they stand out more.
Sometimes they're in lower case.

1809
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:28,280
So just keep your eye out for
them.

1810
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:31,680
There's other abbreviations for
dates that you might use.

1811
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:33,160
You know, they're before and
after.

1812
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:38,480
So for example, you find a mom
who died in 1886 and the

1813
01:43:38,480 --> 01:43:41,440
obituary states that two of her
children preceded her in death,

1814
01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:44,240
but you cannot find that those
children's death records

1815
01:43:44,240 --> 01:43:46,840
anywhere.
Then you would list their death

1816
01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:52,240
date as BEF 1886 until you could
find their death information.

1817
01:43:53,320 --> 01:43:56,320
If it said that her husband was
still alive according to the

1818
01:43:56,320 --> 01:44:01,040
obituary or the newspaper write
up, but you can't find his exact

1819
01:44:01,160 --> 01:44:07,040
date of death, then you would
say after A FT1886 until you

1820
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:10,160
could locate that record.
So that when you look at these

1821
01:44:10,160 --> 01:44:13,040
records again in the future, you
have a point of reference and

1822
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:16,400
you know that it's not an exact
date, which makes it very, very

1823
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:18,320
helpful for continuing your
research.

1824
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:20,240
Right.
Absolutely.

1825
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:25,160
OK, moving on to places and I'm
I hope I'm not boring you.

1826
01:44:25,160 --> 01:44:26,480
This is.
Not at all, no.

1827
01:44:26,480 --> 01:44:27,600
This is the good.
Stuff.

1828
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:31,080
But it's good to know all these
details when you're writing out

1829
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:35,040
this stuff and you're doing this
research so that you know how to

1830
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:37,040
read records that you're given
from family.

1831
01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:41,600
And you can hopefully teach your
children these same things once

1832
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:44,720
you've kind of got the system
down for yourself so that they

1833
01:44:44,720 --> 01:44:47,800
understand how to read the
records and your notes that

1834
01:44:47,800 --> 01:44:49,760
you're keeping as well.
Absolutely.

1835
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:51,000
Yep.
No, this is OK.

1836
01:44:52,040 --> 01:44:54,440
Good, good, good.
So the general rule of thumb

1837
01:44:54,440 --> 01:44:58,640
here when entering a place name
into a genealogical record is to

1838
01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:02,280
record them from smallest to
largest location, city, county,

1839
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:04,800
state, country.
OK.

1840
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:10,040
Or maybe that is town, locality,
county, parish, district, state,

1841
01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:13,040
Providence, and then a country
because, you know, different.

1842
01:45:13,560 --> 01:45:16,560
Not every nation in the world
uses the same terminology.

1843
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:21,320
So you may choose to leave off a
country if it's the one in which

1844
01:45:21,320 --> 01:45:24,000
you reside.
But later on in life, when

1845
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:27,120
somebody comes along, how will
they know, right?

1846
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:32,480
How many Hancock's are there?
Or, I don't know, how many

1847
01:45:32,480 --> 01:45:35,320
Pittsburghs are there?
How many Jerusalem's are there?

1848
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:37,200
I don't know.
You might want to just think

1849
01:45:37,200 --> 01:45:41,680
about you know that a lot of
towns in North America are named

1850
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:44,720
after places that people
immigrated.

1851
01:45:44,720 --> 01:45:45,800
Migrated from?
Yep.

1852
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:48,600
And so if they immigrated here
from there, how do you know if

1853
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:51,880
it was in the United States when
this event happened versus in

1854
01:45:51,880 --> 01:45:54,000
their home country if you don't
know when they immigrated?

1855
01:45:54,120 --> 01:45:57,280
So always try to get all of this
information that you can.

1856
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:02,040
There's some examples of that on
the screen for you to look at.

1857
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:06,680
If you have additional place
name details, feel free to

1858
01:46:06,680 --> 01:46:09,360
include them, but be sure that
you make a note of it.

1859
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:18,040
So for example, you could add
the name of a of a location in

1860
01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:20,720
there, like in Ireland it might
say Bunratty.

1861
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:26,320
So you would amend it to the
location of Cholera Ireland.

1862
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:28,520
So it'd be Bunrati Cholera
Ireland.

1863
01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:31,840
So this is a smaller place in
between the two.

1864
01:46:32,200 --> 01:46:34,280
And you might see that in a lot
of different things.

1865
01:46:34,280 --> 01:46:37,680
So like here in this Ireland,
you got cholera and then I can't

1866
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:41,760
say all these names, sorry, but
I don't want to butcher them.

1867
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:43,840
But you have all these
different, you know, things

1868
01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:46,280
where we have city, county,
state and country.

1869
01:46:46,280 --> 01:46:49,520
They have Township, parish,
county, Providence and country.

1870
01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:52,280
And so, you know, knowing the
order of which they put all this

1871
01:46:52,280 --> 01:46:54,040
stuff in here is going to be
very helpful.

1872
01:46:55,800 --> 01:46:59,400
Many paper pedigree charts and
even some computer programs do

1873
01:46:59,400 --> 01:47:02,680
not include enough room to
record all of these places.

1874
01:47:02,680 --> 01:47:06,520
And so you might find some
abbreviations that are recorded.

1875
01:47:08,120 --> 01:47:11,240
And so I've, I've put a couple,
you know, place type

1876
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:14,800
abbreviations in here for
everybody to kind of look and

1877
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:18,240
understand for county, parish,
Township, these are probably

1878
01:47:18,240 --> 01:47:21,440
some of the most common ones
that you'll see online sources

1879
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:24,760
will use some of these common
abbreviations.

1880
01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:27,880
And I'm going to have some of
this recorded in the handout as

1881
01:47:27,880 --> 01:47:31,240
well.
Now for places, some other

1882
01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:35,880
things to note.
Population changes, wars happen,

1883
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:39,880
historic events 'cause location
boundaries to move and change

1884
01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:42,640
over time.
So it may be something as simple

1885
01:47:42,640 --> 01:47:47,080
as a town which no longer exists
in there at all, the whole

1886
01:47:47,080 --> 01:47:50,320
town's wiped out.
Or it could be that this town

1887
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:54,800
changed names 3 or 4 times.
And maybe it's a little bit more

1888
01:47:54,800 --> 01:47:59,720
complex where this town was a
part of this county or this

1889
01:47:59,720 --> 01:48:03,000
country and now it's a part of
another county in the same

1890
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:06,240
country or a new country.
Especially over in Europe, those

1891
01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:08,480
boundary lines move a lot and
that town stays in the same

1892
01:48:08,480 --> 01:48:10,360
place.
Sometimes they speak German,

1893
01:48:10,360 --> 01:48:13,480
sometimes they speak French.
Interesting.

1894
01:48:14,440 --> 01:48:16,800
Let me ask.
Oh, go ahead, sorry, I'll let

1895
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:17,280
you finish.
Let.

1896
01:48:17,320 --> 01:48:20,640
Me, just say one thing when that
happens and you have one town

1897
01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:22,640
and the boundary of the country
changes.

1898
01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:25,760
Sometimes their last names, the
spelling can be different,

1899
01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:30,720
especially in Scandinavian, it
can be SENRSON for example, on

1900
01:48:30,720 --> 01:48:32,200
there.
And you need to look into that.

1901
01:48:32,200 --> 01:48:35,360
If you have those kind of family
names, if you have skinny name

1902
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:38,480
and founding a family names, I'm
just going to say, you know, God

1903
01:48:38,480 --> 01:48:40,400
bless you and I will pray for
you.

1904
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:45,240
But they can that can be kind of
challenging when you're doing

1905
01:48:45,480 --> 01:48:47,120
family research.
And if you have questions, you

1906
01:48:47,120 --> 01:48:51,120
know, you get a hold of Dave and
and I can maybe point help you

1907
01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:53,400
out a little bit or point you in
the right direction to get some

1908
01:48:53,400 --> 01:48:55,680
assistance there.
Or you can find a local

1909
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:58,440
genealogist center and they can
help you as well.

1910
01:48:58,520 --> 01:48:59,600
OK.
What was your question?

1911
01:49:00,240 --> 01:49:05,000
So I'll just use me as an
example.

1912
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:08,320
I was born in Alaska and there's
no counties in Alaska.

1913
01:49:09,040 --> 01:49:13,400
It's just state and city, right?
And so in that case, do you need

1914
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:16,200
to make an abbreviation that,
hey, there is no county

1915
01:49:16,200 --> 01:49:19,120
associated with this or anything
like that?

1916
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:20,280
OK.
I don't.

1917
01:49:20,440 --> 01:49:22,880
I just put Fairbanks, AK, United
States.

1918
01:49:22,920 --> 01:49:26,480
OK, perfect.
Yeah, OK.

1919
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:28,280
No, I was the only unless.
You happened to be born there

1920
01:49:28,280 --> 01:49:31,120
before the United States owned
US owned Alaska?

1921
01:49:31,720 --> 01:49:33,560
Then you might want to put the
proper country.

1922
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:34,520
Right.
Yep.

1923
01:49:34,840 --> 01:49:35,400
Yep.
Nope.

1924
01:49:35,440 --> 01:49:36,720
That makes sense too.
Yeah.

1925
01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:41,960
OK.
So when you're recording a place

1926
01:49:41,960 --> 01:49:44,360
name for an event, along that
line should always record the

1927
01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:48,080
locality that it was in at the
time the event occurred.

1928
01:49:48,680 --> 01:49:52,520
And that's why I brought that up
with Alaska, you know, and if

1929
01:49:52,520 --> 01:49:56,600
space allows on your forms, you
can include information of that

1930
01:49:56,600 --> 01:50:01,480
locality specifically, like you
could say Beaufort County is now

1931
01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:05,280
Pitt County, North Carolina.
OK, Yep.

1932
01:50:06,480 --> 01:50:09,680
And if you're not, you know,
sure of a location, but you have

1933
01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:12,680
records that suggest that
there's an alternative, then you

1934
01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:17,160
can record it in a place as
probable, like PROB probably as

1935
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:20,240
abbreviation, probably Saint
Michael, Bristol,

1936
01:50:20,840 --> 01:50:23,400
Gloucestershire, England, for
example.

1937
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:24,560
Got you.
Got you.

1938
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:29,720
OK, OK.
Let's see next, seeing these

1939
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:33,800
types of things on the screen.
Let's look back at Isaiah Mark's

1940
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:38,880
families group record and we can
see the names and the dates, how

1941
01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:42,520
they're recorded, the names, you
know, with first, middle, last,

1942
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:47,840
maiden name dates spelled out
where there's space abbreviated

1943
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:51,920
like this where there isn't.
All of this is spelled out here

1944
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:56,120
for the county and where they
you know this is a division.

1945
01:50:57,280 --> 01:50:58,160
In.
Canada.

1946
01:50:58,440 --> 01:51:04,440
So town of Cardston, division,
Providence, country, you know,

1947
01:51:04,440 --> 01:51:06,320
and then when the cemeteries
here have the name of the

1948
01:51:06,320 --> 01:51:09,960
cemetery and then the town that
the cemetery is in their

1949
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:14,600
division, Providence and country
and it got chopped off because

1950
01:51:14,600 --> 01:51:16,240
there wasn't enough room on
there, right?

1951
01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:19,960
But if you know, you know that
Carson is in Canada and it's

1952
01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:23,080
above the line above it, then
pretty much for your default.

1953
01:51:23,880 --> 01:51:24,520
Right.
Yeah, kinda.

1954
01:51:24,600 --> 01:51:26,760
Yeah.
You got 22 giveaways there,

1955
01:51:26,760 --> 01:51:29,160
right?
Cartston and Alberta, Right.

1956
01:51:29,480 --> 01:51:33,400
The chances that there's a
Cartston, Alberta, Switzerland

1957
01:51:33,400 --> 01:51:35,480
is slim to none.
So true.

1958
01:51:36,280 --> 01:51:41,440
True.
So let's see, we already talked

1959
01:51:41,440 --> 01:51:44,560
a little bit about christening,
so I think I'm just going to

1960
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:47,440
skip to the next one and go on
with some more abbreviations.

1961
01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:52,760
So there's other abbreviations
that are used in genealogy and

1962
01:51:52,920 --> 01:51:57,560
you know, christening is one of
them and it's abbreviated Chr

1963
01:51:57,560 --> 01:51:59,320
period.
Now let's talk about turning

1964
01:51:59,320 --> 01:52:02,920
names in for temple work.
I don't have a birth date, I

1965
01:52:02,920 --> 01:52:04,800
don't have a birth date, I don't
have a death date.

1966
01:52:05,800 --> 01:52:12,200
The time frame is 16/20 and I'm
in England and there's a

1967
01:52:12,200 --> 01:52:17,000
christening date because our
local, you know, parish church,

1968
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:21,280
Chapel, whatever it's called for
what, you know, religion they

1969
01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:24,080
are, has a record of this child
being born.

1970
01:52:24,600 --> 01:52:28,360
It's likely that this child
could have died as an infant

1971
01:52:29,240 --> 01:52:31,640
back then for a variety of
different reasons.

1972
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:33,640
And all I will have is the
christening date.

1973
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:38,080
A christening date on a church
record is considered a primary

1974
01:52:38,080 --> 01:52:39,960
source.
OK.

1975
01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:44,120
And.
I take christening dates for

1976
01:52:44,160 --> 01:52:48,280
men, for temple records when in
our church, I'm the temple

1977
01:52:48,280 --> 01:52:52,920
matron and when people submit
the records to be approved to do

1978
01:52:52,920 --> 01:52:56,160
the temple work, they come in,
we take a look to make sure that

1979
01:52:56,160 --> 01:52:59,680
they're real people and we're
doing ordinances for real people

1980
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:02,280
that existed.
I will take a christening date

1981
01:53:02,480 --> 01:53:05,240
versus the others.
OK, so if all you can come up

1982
01:53:05,240 --> 01:53:08,400
with is a christening date
that's still a primary source,

1983
01:53:08,400 --> 01:53:11,120
that's good.
Yep, I'm going to hope that you

1984
01:53:11,120 --> 01:53:13,680
have at least one of the parents
names and a location.

1985
01:53:14,200 --> 01:53:18,240
OK, Nope, that makes sense.
Or say, this was a sibling to

1986
01:53:18,240 --> 01:53:21,360
these people, right?
You know, we don't know their

1987
01:53:21,360 --> 01:53:24,160
parents names, but here's all
the kids listed out in the

1988
01:53:24,160 --> 01:53:25,720
parish records.
Got you.

1989
01:53:26,360 --> 01:53:30,320
Something like that.
KDOB, date of birth, DoD date of

1990
01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:35,920
death, POBPOD, place of birth
and death, MD period equals

1991
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:38,040
married.
And I gave an example of how

1992
01:53:38,040 --> 01:53:39,880
that's usually written out on a
form.

1993
01:53:40,280 --> 01:53:46,280
So let's talk about ceilings.
Now in our church, we do ceiling

1994
01:53:46,280 --> 01:53:50,040
to parents, ceiling to spouse.
OK, right.

1995
01:53:50,120 --> 01:53:52,240
And when I'm going to be
submitting.

1996
01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:55,640
So here's the order of
operations, so to speak.

1997
01:53:55,640 --> 01:53:57,720
If we're going to talk about
math order of operations, we'll

1998
01:53:57,720 --> 01:54:00,760
talk about genealogy math order
of operations for temple work.

1999
01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:03,560
First you you get baptized.
Right.

2000
01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:06,800
Then you can get endowed.
Right.

2001
01:54:07,840 --> 01:54:11,600
OK, then you can get sealed.
That's the order that we go by

2002
01:54:11,800 --> 01:54:13,880
for those that have passed
beyond the veil.

2003
01:54:14,520 --> 01:54:19,160
Yep, OK, Standard should be the
same across whatever church

2004
01:54:19,160 --> 01:54:20,280
you're in, right?
I mean, that's.

2005
01:54:20,280 --> 01:54:22,240
My opinion, it should be the
same, but I don't know what

2006
01:54:22,240 --> 01:54:24,480
everybody's doing.
I'm just saying what I do, what

2007
01:54:24,480 --> 01:54:26,400
our church does.
It's not just me.

2008
01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:33,000
So when they say OK I have
person A and person BI, have

2009
01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:37,120
John Doe and Jane Smith and I
want to get them sealed.

2010
01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:41,680
Got you.
I want to know who they were

2011
01:54:41,680 --> 01:54:45,720
married to, if, if they were
really married in their in real

2012
01:54:45,720 --> 01:54:48,840
life, you know, like you and
Amber, Dan and I were really

2013
01:54:48,840 --> 01:54:55,560
married and you know, so now I
know I I can proceed with the

2014
01:54:55,560 --> 01:54:58,080
ceiling and that it's not just
two people Willy nilly that

2015
01:54:58,080 --> 01:55:01,080
maybe we're never married or
we're married to other people.

2016
01:55:01,080 --> 01:55:02,960
But I think it's a better idea
to do this.

2017
01:55:03,480 --> 01:55:05,960
We're not in the business of
breaking up families, right?

2018
01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:08,240
We're in the business of
connecting families together for

2019
01:55:08,240 --> 01:55:12,280
eternity.
And people made choices.

2020
01:55:12,280 --> 01:55:14,120
People were married to certain
people.

2021
01:55:14,120 --> 01:55:16,200
And that's how our family is
tied together.

2022
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:20,720
And we do this by bloodline.
And so, you know, I might have a

2023
01:55:20,720 --> 01:55:22,400
married date, but I don't have a
ceiling date.

2024
01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:26,000
And so I might and I, I might
have a married date and a death

2025
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:27,200
date, but I don't have a birth
date.

2026
01:55:27,800 --> 01:55:31,560
But I know they existed, so I
can go ahead and I can do

2027
01:55:31,560 --> 01:55:35,160
baptisms, I can do endowments, I
can do ceilings because I have

2028
01:55:35,160 --> 01:55:39,120
that date.
OK, OK, so now I'm going to ask

2029
01:55:39,120 --> 01:55:43,000
you an esoteric kind of question
and I may, I may end up editing

2030
01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:46,240
this part out.
I don't know, depends on on how

2031
01:55:46,280 --> 01:55:49,360
how this goes.
So let's say you have a relative

2032
01:55:49,400 --> 01:55:53,840
who died when they were 16,
never had a chance to get

2033
01:55:53,840 --> 01:55:56,600
married.
Do you ever see a chance?

2034
01:55:56,600 --> 01:55:59,080
I just saw you close your eyes
and nod your head like crap,

2035
01:55:59,080 --> 01:56:01,000
he's really going to go here?
No, just do it.

2036
01:56:01,400 --> 01:56:05,440
It's OK.
Let's say, you know, they, they

2037
01:56:05,440 --> 01:56:07,760
didn't have a chance to be
married, but that's a, that's an

2038
01:56:07,760 --> 01:56:10,400
exalting ordinance, right?
That's the, you know, that's the

2039
01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:15,000
purpose of temple work.
Do you just leave that blank or

2040
01:56:15,200 --> 01:56:18,080
is there room there for some
revelation to be had and have

2041
01:56:18,080 --> 01:56:22,880
that person sealed?
OK, this is a very good

2042
01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:26,560
question.
I think that there's room for

2043
01:56:26,560 --> 01:56:28,000
revelation.
OK.

2044
01:56:28,440 --> 01:56:31,400
In my and maybe I just leave it
there.

2045
01:56:31,720 --> 01:56:34,360
I don't want to bring up my
belief system versus other

2046
01:56:34,360 --> 01:56:36,200
fundamentalist belief systems.
And I'll leave it there.

2047
01:56:36,400 --> 01:56:38,880
Yeah, I follow your revelation
path.

2048
01:56:39,000 --> 01:56:42,760
So, so you're just just stick to
the revelation you get on that

2049
01:56:42,760 --> 01:56:44,480
basically.
Yep.

2050
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:47,640
OK.
And if you have a process in

2051
01:56:47,640 --> 01:56:50,920
your organization, your church,
then follow that process.

2052
01:56:51,160 --> 01:56:57,280
Sounds good, all right.
OK, so let's talk about a little

2053
01:56:57,680 --> 01:57:00,600
bit some more revelation or
abbreviations.

2054
01:57:00,600 --> 01:57:06,280
Revelations, sure.
Abbreviations, you know, some

2055
01:57:06,280 --> 01:57:13,320
that you will probably see or
could see on records, church

2056
01:57:13,320 --> 01:57:17,280
records, whether they're, you
know, LDS or fundamentalists or

2057
01:57:19,080 --> 01:57:21,680
a personal record is BP for
baptized.

2058
01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:25,240
That's pretty standard.
And with a dot for endowed or

2059
01:57:25,240 --> 01:57:31,920
endowment SP for spouse, a
capital SA dash and an SP is

2060
01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:34,600
sealed the spouse.
The LDS Church uses that a lot.

2061
01:57:34,600 --> 01:57:40,000
I know we do too.
Then there's an S-PAR for sealed

2062
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:43,160
the parent and BIC is born the
covenant.

2063
01:57:43,160 --> 01:57:47,800
We saw that and talked about
that earlier for probably, you

2064
01:57:47,800 --> 01:57:54,120
know, it's up there cemeteries,
obituaries, BUR for buried Div

2065
01:57:54,120 --> 01:57:58,040
with a dot for divorced UNK for
unknown.

2066
01:57:58,200 --> 01:58:01,640
And then I know NA means not
applicable in a lot of worlds,

2067
01:58:01,640 --> 01:58:05,720
but written this way as it's on
the screen can mean like

2068
01:58:05,720 --> 01:58:08,920
naturalized meaning a
naturalized citizen because

2069
01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:11,960
citizenship in a country.
There's some other

2070
01:58:11,960 --> 01:58:13,720
abbreviations.
I didn't, you know, get on the

2071
01:58:13,720 --> 01:58:18,240
screen.
And for occupations, there's all

2072
01:58:18,240 --> 01:58:22,760
kinds of abbreviations, like for
example, Carpenter CARP, it's

2073
01:58:22,760 --> 01:58:30,440
not a fish, it's an occupation.
Blacksmith, BLKSM Shoemaker is

2074
01:58:30,440 --> 01:58:36,280
done a couple of different ways,
like SCHM or shoe M So, you

2075
01:58:36,280 --> 01:58:39,000
know, just watched for different
abbreviations, especially on

2076
01:58:39,000 --> 01:58:40,840
census records.
That's where you'll see a lot of

2077
01:58:40,840 --> 01:58:43,080
this, you know, because they
don't have a lot of room.

2078
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:44,760
Right.
Nope.

2079
01:58:44,800 --> 01:58:46,280
That makes sense.
Yeah.

2080
01:58:46,880 --> 01:58:53,680
So, OK, research basics.
You know, a lot of people like

2081
01:58:53,680 --> 01:58:57,200
I, look, I am not a researcher.
I am not a historian.

2082
01:58:57,720 --> 01:59:00,120
Well, if you want to do
genealogy work, you're going to

2083
01:59:00,120 --> 01:59:05,120
become a little bit of 1A.
Historian with a with a small H.

2084
01:59:05,560 --> 01:59:11,200
Right, with a small H So, you
know, again, sources need to be,

2085
01:59:11,720 --> 01:59:14,880
you know, documented and
everything, but we have to talk

2086
01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:18,040
about what does our first
research part look like?

2087
01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:19,640
What are the next steps we're
going to take?

2088
01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:22,600
So now that maybe you've
gathered some information from

2089
01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:25,560
around your home, maybe you've
thought about interviewing

2090
01:59:25,560 --> 01:59:28,840
family members or you've
actually done that, or you've

2091
01:59:28,840 --> 01:59:31,360
entered information onto a
pedigree chart or a family group

2092
01:59:31,360 --> 01:59:33,000
sheet.
It's time for the real fun to

2093
01:59:33,000 --> 01:59:38,080
begin digging in and looking at
at the data and, and going to

2094
01:59:38,080 --> 01:59:41,680
places to find information,
other places outside the family.

2095
01:59:42,200 --> 01:59:46,680
So you're ready to fill in other
blanks, you know, maybe solidify

2096
01:59:46,680 --> 01:59:49,440
some of those question marks or
those plus signs that we talked

2097
01:59:49,440 --> 01:59:52,480
about.
And, you know, you might be

2098
01:59:52,480 --> 01:59:54,680
impatient, ready to jump in
right now or you might be

2099
01:59:54,680 --> 01:59:56,120
feeling a little bit
overwhelmed.

2100
01:59:56,120 --> 01:59:59,040
So let's talk about what those
next steps look like so that

2101
01:59:59,040 --> 02:00:02,520
maybe we can, you know, have a
good path forward here for us.

2102
02:00:02,840 --> 02:00:06,400
So the first step of your
research is to decide which

2103
02:00:06,400 --> 02:00:10,560
branch of your family you want
to begin with, you know, the

2104
02:00:10,560 --> 02:00:14,440
maternal side or your paternal
side, right?

2105
02:00:14,720 --> 02:00:17,240
And you start, like I said, you
start with you and then you work

2106
02:00:17,240 --> 02:00:20,960
backwards from there depending
on which one that you want to

2107
02:00:20,960 --> 02:00:24,240
look at first.
And you know, you are not

2108
02:00:24,240 --> 02:00:28,200
limited to these 4 branches.
Of course, if you've gone back

2109
02:00:28,200 --> 02:00:34,280
those 4 generations, then you
can expand because you know, on

2110
02:00:34,280 --> 02:00:37,360
that 4th one, there's two for
each of your grandparents.

2111
02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:40,600
And so there's more family tree
lines that you can look into.

2112
02:00:40,600 --> 02:00:43,880
And then once you've gotten the
research to that first sheet of

2113
02:00:43,880 --> 02:00:47,120
your pedigree, you're going to
expand and make a new pedigree

2114
02:00:47,120 --> 02:00:49,600
for each one of those on that
last column.

2115
02:00:50,200 --> 02:00:52,680
OK, so all those great
grandparents are going to have

2116
02:00:52,680 --> 02:00:56,000
their own pedigree sheets going
backwards and it just repeats.

2117
02:00:56,000 --> 02:00:58,160
And that's why the numbering of
these pedigree sheets is

2118
02:00:58,160 --> 02:01:00,720
important.
And so maybe you've done some

2119
02:01:00,720 --> 02:01:03,040
FamilySearch and you're back to
like your 5th generation or

2120
02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:05,080
something.
Then you know you need to look

2121
02:01:05,080 --> 02:01:07,680
at those sheets and determine
where am I starting on there.

2122
02:01:08,120 --> 02:01:16,120
Right, OK.
Let's see, you know, there's

2123
02:01:16,120 --> 02:01:19,760
nothing more discouraging than
blindly searching the Internet

2124
02:01:19,760 --> 02:01:22,560
for information on all these
certain names at one point in

2125
02:01:22,560 --> 02:01:24,560
time.
That's why we want to just stay

2126
02:01:24,560 --> 02:01:27,440
right where we are in our lane.
We don't want to put little bits

2127
02:01:27,440 --> 02:01:30,600
and pieces that that start
floating around to us on an

2128
02:01:30,600 --> 02:01:33,800
Internet search or that maybe
you're floating around our heads

2129
02:01:33,800 --> 02:01:37,920
and miss very important clues.
So stick with what you know.

2130
02:01:38,440 --> 02:01:41,640
And you know, there's going to
be times such as you're going to

2131
02:01:41,640 --> 02:01:45,640
have to go to a library.
Maybe you, you know, you come to

2132
02:01:45,640 --> 02:01:47,240
Salt Lake.
I know plenty of people that

2133
02:01:47,320 --> 02:01:52,120
even aren't even LDS or that
don't even follow Joseph Smith

2134
02:01:52,120 --> 02:01:57,680
that make an annual trip to Salt
Lake for a few days because it's

2135
02:01:57,680 --> 02:02:01,400
a hobby of theirs and they just
dig in and start looking at

2136
02:02:01,400 --> 02:02:06,120
their family.
You know, my ex husband's boss

2137
02:02:06,120 --> 02:02:08,960
was one of those people.
He was huge into it.

2138
02:02:09,000 --> 02:02:11,960
I mean, I I didn't realize it
and I bumped into him there one

2139
02:02:11,960 --> 02:02:13,320
time.
Really.

2140
02:02:15,000 --> 02:02:19,360
So yeah, it was pretty cool.
But you know, just start looking

2141
02:02:19,360 --> 02:02:22,440
at your surnames, pick where you
want to start so that you don't

2142
02:02:22,440 --> 02:02:25,240
miss something, right?
And stick with that line because

2143
02:02:25,240 --> 02:02:29,160
it's easy to when you start
doing 2 names at once, it's easy

2144
02:02:29,160 --> 02:02:33,960
to go, OK, you know, I'm on the
Smith and, and Jones is lying.

2145
02:02:34,200 --> 02:02:38,200
You know, my mom's lying Smith
and Jones and I know this much

2146
02:02:38,200 --> 02:02:41,000
that they were to hear together,
but then they get separated out.

2147
02:02:41,000 --> 02:02:44,600
But if you don't stick with one
family line, you might get the

2148
02:02:44,600 --> 02:02:47,440
history mixed up and record
dates wrong.

2149
02:02:47,480 --> 02:02:50,160
So, you know, I mean, it happens
to the best of us.

2150
02:02:50,160 --> 02:02:54,000
We go back, we have to fix it,
but but just know, you need to

2151
02:02:54,000 --> 02:02:57,600
know what geographical locations
that they lived in and a little

2152
02:02:57,600 --> 02:03:00,080
bit of history about them.
What did they do for livings?

2153
02:03:00,080 --> 02:03:04,240
How many kids did they have?
You know, maybe were their

2154
02:03:04,240 --> 02:03:06,600
parents also there?
What was their religion?

2155
02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:10,760
You know, that kind of a thing.
Learn about their social skills

2156
02:03:10,760 --> 02:03:14,560
and and ties to the society in
which they lived.

2157
02:03:14,880 --> 02:03:17,760
And then you know you need to go
and you need to stick with that

2158
02:03:17,760 --> 02:03:20,760
group for a while.
Go back two or three generations

2159
02:03:20,760 --> 02:03:22,400
before you decide to switch
lines.

2160
02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:25,440
That way you really get to know
that family very well and you

2161
02:03:25,440 --> 02:03:27,400
know when something's off
instinctively.

2162
02:03:28,200 --> 02:03:31,000
OK.
Can I can I share a little

2163
02:03:31,000 --> 02:03:32,520
story?
Please do.

2164
02:03:33,360 --> 02:03:37,160
OK.
So I think I was about, I don't

2165
02:03:37,160 --> 02:03:41,080
know, 14 or 15.
I think I was 14 years of age

2166
02:03:41,640 --> 02:03:44,320
and I was over.
You know, I was raised in the

2167
02:03:44,320 --> 02:03:47,920
LDS church and my aunt was a
genealogist.

2168
02:03:47,920 --> 02:03:55,560
And I was over actually at one
of her friends's house because I

2169
02:03:55,560 --> 02:03:58,440
was friends with their kids.
And we were having a slumber

2170
02:03:58,440 --> 02:04:04,080
party and the phone rang.
And I heard the mom answer the

2171
02:04:04,080 --> 02:04:06,680
phone and I knew that she was
talking to my Aunt Sharon

2172
02:04:06,920 --> 02:04:10,920
because so my Sharon the
previous day was telling me that

2173
02:04:10,920 --> 02:04:13,200
they were working together on
this project.

2174
02:04:13,200 --> 02:04:16,640
And, you know, she was helping
her with some of her genealogy.

2175
02:04:17,640 --> 02:04:20,880
And some of us had went into the
kitchen and she, you know, was a

2176
02:04:20,880 --> 02:04:23,720
corded phone on the wall, right?
So she's sitting the Dunyard

2177
02:04:23,720 --> 02:04:25,560
table attached to the wall
talking.

2178
02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:31,440
And there was a jar on the
counter and there was a bar and

2179
02:04:31,440 --> 02:04:35,200
the jar was up against the wall
and we were making popcorn or

2180
02:04:35,200 --> 02:04:37,920
something for a movie.
And all of a sudden this jar

2181
02:04:37,920 --> 02:04:44,360
started moving across the table
or the counter on its own.

2182
02:04:44,440 --> 02:04:48,920
The mom is sitting at the
kitchen or the dining room

2183
02:04:48,920 --> 02:04:50,040
table.
And we're standing in the

2184
02:04:50,040 --> 02:04:52,200
kitchen and this bar area is
between US.

2185
02:04:52,440 --> 02:04:54,960
And this jar just starts sliding
across the table.

2186
02:04:55,200 --> 02:04:57,960
And then and then, you know, it
kind of sounds really weird.

2187
02:04:57,960 --> 02:05:02,800
But then she said, you know,
because we made a comment about

2188
02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:04,760
it and one of us grabbed the
jar.

2189
02:05:05,080 --> 02:05:08,720
And then my aunt Sharon had told
her about something that had

2190
02:05:08,720 --> 02:05:13,800
happened to her in her office
where this pile of papers, at

2191
02:05:13,800 --> 02:05:16,600
the same time the jar moved,
this pile of papers just went

2192
02:05:17,800 --> 02:05:21,520
and landed on the floor.
And they were talking about a

2193
02:05:21,520 --> 02:05:24,720
relative trying to figure out
some information so they could

2194
02:05:24,720 --> 02:05:26,800
continue on and get past this
brick wall.

2195
02:05:27,720 --> 02:05:31,720
Well, my aunt freaked my aunt
out a little bit.

2196
02:05:31,720 --> 02:05:34,080
It freaked out this lady.
It freaked out all of us girls

2197
02:05:34,080 --> 02:05:37,720
for sure.
And, you know, they went on

2198
02:05:37,720 --> 02:05:39,600
talking.
We went on back to our movie and

2199
02:05:39,600 --> 02:05:40,800
thought that was weird, you
know.

2200
02:05:41,120 --> 02:05:44,320
Well, later when I went back
home and my aunt lived right

2201
02:05:44,320 --> 02:05:49,320
next door and I spent a lot of
time at her house, she was

2202
02:05:49,320 --> 02:05:51,920
telling my mom and I about the
night before.

2203
02:05:51,920 --> 02:05:55,240
And I said, I was there at
Linda's house when that jar

2204
02:05:55,520 --> 02:06:01,440
moved across the counter.
And so these papers that flipped

2205
02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:04,720
up and landed, the paper that
landed up had a name on it,

2206
02:06:04,720 --> 02:06:06,800
which happened to be the name
that they were looking for.

2207
02:06:07,160 --> 02:06:12,800
And it was a list of known facts
about this individual.

2208
02:06:13,000 --> 02:06:15,480
And one of the known facts about
the individual is that they

2209
02:06:15,480 --> 02:06:17,400
really like the cookies.
Wow.

2210
02:06:19,480 --> 02:06:22,120
There's little links and there's
little things that you might see

2211
02:06:22,160 --> 02:06:26,800
or hear that can maybe help you.
Your ancestors want to help you.

2212
02:06:27,120 --> 02:06:31,360
They want to give you clues,
Yeah, not everything is going to

2213
02:06:31,360 --> 02:06:34,280
be that obvious and blatant,
just so you know.

2214
02:06:34,720 --> 02:06:38,560
Yeah, see, that's enough to
freak me out like a nice like

2215
02:06:38,880 --> 02:06:41,040
Little Dream or something like
that.

2216
02:06:41,040 --> 02:06:44,160
That'll be fine.
But crap starts moving on its

2217
02:06:44,160 --> 02:06:45,720
own and I'm going to hit the
task button.

2218
02:06:45,720 --> 02:06:52,560
So like, I, like I, I, I hope
it's not that way for me, but I,

2219
02:06:52,560 --> 02:06:55,680
I get what you're saying there,
right, Is that we can't expect

2220
02:06:55,680 --> 02:06:57,480
help coming from the other side
on this.

2221
02:06:58,840 --> 02:07:01,000
It's quite frankly, we're going
to need it too, right?

2222
02:07:01,000 --> 02:07:04,680
I mean, we're going back in
times where they weren't great

2223
02:07:04,680 --> 02:07:07,280
record keepers and we're going
to have to figure out how to

2224
02:07:07,280 --> 02:07:12,560
piece this all back together.
Yep, definitely are.

2225
02:07:12,800 --> 02:07:15,200
I'm going to share another one
though, something a little bit

2226
02:07:15,280 --> 02:07:17,280
more closer.
Modern days that happened with

2227
02:07:17,280 --> 02:07:20,880
me, You know, we were, I was
helping a friend.

2228
02:07:20,880 --> 02:07:25,040
They actually turned some names
in for our temple.

2229
02:07:25,040 --> 02:07:31,600
And Dan, as the temple president
was reviewing them and he, you

2230
02:07:31,600 --> 02:07:35,320
know, came in to where I was at
in the office and he said, hey,

2231
02:07:35,680 --> 02:07:38,120
you know, this family that she
turned in.

2232
02:07:38,120 --> 02:07:40,040
And I'm just going to say their
last name was Smith.

2233
02:07:40,320 --> 02:07:42,080
Just to, you know, tell the
story.

2234
02:07:42,400 --> 02:07:46,400
The Smith family, you know,
there's the mom and the dad and

2235
02:07:46,400 --> 02:07:49,680
there's like four or five kids
and then there's another mom

2236
02:07:49,680 --> 02:07:54,280
with some kids.
And I don't know where, but

2237
02:07:56,880 --> 02:08:02,400
somebody's missing and they're
turning this in to have a family

2238
02:08:02,400 --> 02:08:05,920
ceiling.
And I don't want to do this or

2239
02:08:05,920 --> 02:08:09,400
prove it until we find out if
they're really missing or not.

2240
02:08:10,280 --> 02:08:13,200
Interesting.
So I called the the person to

2241
02:08:13,200 --> 02:08:15,840
turn the names in and had a
conversation, told them the

2242
02:08:15,840 --> 02:08:22,440
information that Dan had told me
and shared it with them.

2243
02:08:22,440 --> 02:08:24,520
And they're like, OK, well,
we'll have to, you know, I'll

2244
02:08:24,520 --> 02:08:27,200
talk to my sisters and we'll
have to figure this out and, and

2245
02:08:27,200 --> 02:08:29,280
I'll get back to you.
When they got back to me, they

2246
02:08:29,280 --> 02:08:32,840
brought two names.
Two names were missing.

2247
02:08:33,320 --> 02:08:36,000
And there was a piece of paper
that was missing in their family

2248
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:38,600
records because they got
separated somehow.

2249
02:08:38,880 --> 02:08:41,400
And then they, but they went
online and they were finding

2250
02:08:41,440 --> 02:08:44,600
information and they found one
in this missing piece of paper

2251
02:08:44,600 --> 02:08:47,600
from the record and they found
another one that was online in

2252
02:08:47,600 --> 02:08:50,000
another room record.
And they did some more research

2253
02:08:50,320 --> 02:08:52,840
and they came back to us a few,
you know, it was a few weeks, it

2254
02:08:52,840 --> 02:08:54,880
was several weeks.
They took time to like dig into

2255
02:08:54,880 --> 02:08:58,000
this and, and look at it and
they found 2 missing

2256
02:08:58,000 --> 02:09:00,960
individuals.
And so now that family was able

2257
02:09:00,960 --> 02:09:04,600
to be sealed as a whole unit
without anybody missing.

2258
02:09:05,080 --> 02:09:07,360
So was that just a feeling Dan
had or?

2259
02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:13,560
Was a feeling he had.
Nice, nice save.

2260
02:09:14,040 --> 02:09:16,600
You know, it's going to be
important that as we do this,

2261
02:09:16,680 --> 02:09:20,560
right?
Like I know sometimes I, it was

2262
02:09:20,560 --> 02:09:24,400
kind of a running joke in, in,
in the LDS Church when I was in

2263
02:09:24,400 --> 02:09:27,440
there that, you know, it's a
good way just to tune out,

2264
02:09:27,440 --> 02:09:29,600
right?
Just just kind of tune out and,

2265
02:09:29,600 --> 02:09:32,560
and extract names.
I don't think it's meant to be

2266
02:09:32,560 --> 02:09:34,440
that way.
I think we have to be in tune on

2267
02:09:34,440 --> 02:09:36,000
this, right?
Like everything else we do in

2268
02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:40,280
the in, in, in the restored
gospel, it's going to take some

2269
02:09:40,280 --> 02:09:43,840
revelation and you got to be,
you got to be tuned in.

2270
02:09:43,840 --> 02:09:47,000
You can't just zone out.
No, you can't.

2271
02:09:47,000 --> 02:09:50,040
It's not a rote exercise in
record keeping.

2272
02:09:51,600 --> 02:09:55,080
You know, this is this is your
family that you have a tie to

2273
02:09:55,080 --> 02:09:58,960
spiritually connected, you know,
like an imaginary umbilical

2274
02:09:58,960 --> 02:10:02,240
cord, you know, that is
connecting you all together.

2275
02:10:02,600 --> 02:10:06,280
And you know, once you get into
this and you get in tune with

2276
02:10:06,280 --> 02:10:10,160
these things, it will come to
you, you know, pray, pray for

2277
02:10:10,160 --> 02:10:13,120
experiences.
Pray to know who to find, who

2278
02:10:13,120 --> 02:10:16,800
needs your help, who is over
there chomping at the bit

2279
02:10:16,800 --> 02:10:20,080
waiting and they cannot progress
until you get their work done.

2280
02:10:20,360 --> 02:10:24,000
Who is that person?
And how do you connect you to

2281
02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:28,000
them so that you can get this
records and make sure that

2282
02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:30,680
they're valid and you're not
just pulling a name out of a hat

2283
02:10:31,000 --> 02:10:33,200
and that you can get their work
done and so that they can

2284
02:10:33,200 --> 02:10:34,920
progress and move on on their
side too.

2285
02:10:35,640 --> 02:10:40,040
And, you know, I also want you
to, whether you have an

2286
02:10:40,040 --> 02:10:43,760
endowment house or a temple that
you're doing this work in, you

2287
02:10:43,760 --> 02:10:47,280
know, or as fundamentalists have
also done, you know, a home

2288
02:10:47,280 --> 02:10:50,760
space dedicated, a Chapel
dedicated for this type of work

2289
02:10:50,760 --> 02:10:58,040
at the time you're doing it, Be
present spiritually.

2290
02:10:59,200 --> 02:11:00,880
It's easy to be present
physically.

2291
02:11:00,880 --> 02:11:02,840
OK.
I mean, I have my mouse here.

2292
02:11:02,840 --> 02:11:05,800
I have a pen here.
My husband just walked through,

2293
02:11:06,120 --> 02:11:08,320
you know, on the way out to go
do something.

2294
02:11:09,000 --> 02:11:13,840
I I know what's here in my home,
but what what's here spiritually

2295
02:11:13,840 --> 02:11:16,760
around me?
What am I feeling inside?

2296
02:11:16,760 --> 02:11:20,360
However the spirit talks to you,
take that with you to that

2297
02:11:20,360 --> 02:11:23,320
space.
And when you're doing that name,

2298
02:11:23,360 --> 02:11:26,200
think about the life you've just
researched this name.

2299
02:11:26,200 --> 02:11:27,680
You've know a little bit about
them.

2300
02:11:28,000 --> 02:11:31,800
Maybe you're wondering what what
their life was like living in

2301
02:11:31,800 --> 02:11:35,200
XYZ city in Czech Republic or
England.

2302
02:11:35,200 --> 02:11:40,760
Or, you know, maybe they're, you
know, Irish and you want to know

2303
02:11:40,760 --> 02:11:43,160
what that was like, you know,
when the potato famine was there

2304
02:11:43,160 --> 02:11:45,200
and they were alive there and
they didn't come over here or

2305
02:11:45,200 --> 02:11:47,240
whatever, you know, what was
that like?

2306
02:11:47,240 --> 02:11:49,720
And think about what it's like
for them and start visualizing

2307
02:11:49,720 --> 02:11:52,240
and feeling them.
And then you're going to have

2308
02:11:52,240 --> 02:11:54,160
better experiences in the temple
as well.

2309
02:11:54,160 --> 02:11:56,360
And you'll know that they're
there also.

2310
02:11:57,000 --> 02:12:00,440
Now, I don't know, in the LDS
church, I guess I'll put it this

2311
02:12:00,440 --> 02:12:01,600
way.
In the LDS church, when you

2312
02:12:01,600 --> 02:12:05,720
first go through the temple for
yourself, you're given usually

2313
02:12:05,720 --> 02:12:08,280
an escort to go with you and
accompany you so that you know

2314
02:12:09,000 --> 02:12:11,160
how to proceed through the
ceremony.

2315
02:12:11,720 --> 02:12:15,520
OK.
I firmly believe that when I

2316
02:12:15,520 --> 02:12:19,600
take a name through the temple
for my ancestor, that they're

2317
02:12:19,600 --> 02:12:23,400
there spiritually and that they
have a escort on their side.

2318
02:12:24,280 --> 02:12:28,560
So you might feel two people
around or more, depending on

2319
02:12:28,560 --> 02:12:30,080
how.
I mean, you might feel more than

2320
02:12:30,080 --> 02:12:33,000
just the the name you're taking
through, but you're going to

2321
02:12:33,000 --> 02:12:34,320
feel them.
You're going to see them.

2322
02:12:34,320 --> 02:12:35,680
They're going to be there with
you.

2323
02:12:37,120 --> 02:12:39,240
If you have the spirit with you,
you'll, you'll be able to

2324
02:12:39,240 --> 02:12:43,440
discern that, you know, anyway.
So moving on, you know, once

2325
02:12:43,440 --> 02:12:45,640
you've selected this family
name, you know, you need to,

2326
02:12:45,640 --> 02:12:48,480
like I said, learn a little bit
about the geography and the

2327
02:12:48,480 --> 02:12:49,760
history of the area in which
they live.

2328
02:12:49,760 --> 02:12:52,160
Have a good understanding of
what the political and

2329
02:12:52,160 --> 02:12:54,920
historical events are in that
time period in which your

2330
02:12:54,920 --> 02:12:58,600
ancestors lived so that you can
get insights into, you know,

2331
02:12:58,920 --> 02:13:02,080
what their life was like and
also where to look for records.

2332
02:13:02,520 --> 02:13:05,080
Geographically, boundaries
change.

2333
02:13:05,080 --> 02:13:09,040
Politically, boundaries change,
and places names change over

2334
02:13:09,040 --> 02:13:11,960
time.
So, you know, maybe there's an

2335
02:13:11,960 --> 02:13:15,680
area in Poland where several
times this has happened, where

2336
02:13:16,400 --> 02:13:21,480
it was Poland or it is Poland
now, but it was Lithuania or,

2337
02:13:21,960 --> 02:13:23,520
you know, Czech Republic or
something.

2338
02:13:23,520 --> 02:13:25,640
Those boundary lines change all
the time.

2339
02:13:25,920 --> 02:13:29,840
Ukraine's boundaries are
changing today as we're

2340
02:13:29,840 --> 02:13:32,080
recording this, you know, over
the last two or three years.

2341
02:13:32,680 --> 02:13:35,760
You don't need to be an expert.
You just need to look into the

2342
02:13:35,760 --> 02:13:39,320
history a little bit more
because it'll help you feel less

2343
02:13:40,320 --> 02:13:44,080
frustrated when you understand
these political and geographical

2344
02:13:44,080 --> 02:13:47,400
changes that are taking place at
the time when your relative

2345
02:13:47,520 --> 02:13:49,520
lived.
So, you know, you get to learn a

2346
02:13:49,520 --> 02:13:50,840
little bit more about history,
too.

2347
02:13:50,840 --> 02:13:53,200
And that's not a bad thing.
I love history and I know you do

2348
02:13:53,200 --> 02:13:55,080
too.
Yep, Yep.

2349
02:13:55,320 --> 02:14:00,120
So, you know, since you know, I
wasn't going to share this, but

2350
02:14:00,120 --> 02:14:01,960
I'm feeling prompted that maybe
it's time.

2351
02:14:03,400 --> 02:14:09,200
So I won't go into the details
here of of exactly why, but I

2352
02:14:09,240 --> 02:14:14,480
think I think the season has
changed within Mormon

2353
02:14:14,480 --> 02:14:21,080
fundamentalism.
Try to do this here and make it

2354
02:14:21,080 --> 02:14:27,160
through.
My dad had two names and again,

2355
02:14:27,160 --> 02:14:30,080
I'm not going to get into the
reasons why, but he had two

2356
02:14:30,080 --> 02:14:37,600
names and it made doing his side
of genealogy next to impossible.

2357
02:14:38,320 --> 02:14:41,920
I could get right up to his dad
and then everything just was

2358
02:14:42,000 --> 02:14:46,200
there was there was no record.
It was thoroughly expunged.

2359
02:14:48,120 --> 02:14:53,240
And shortly before the
dedication of this temple out

2360
02:14:53,240 --> 02:14:57,480
here in Missouri, I was really
feeling it, right?

2361
02:14:57,480 --> 02:14:59,000
I was feeling like, what am I
going to do?

2362
02:14:59,000 --> 02:15:02,560
I mean, I got my mom's side, and
that's great, and I'm glad I

2363
02:15:02,560 --> 02:15:07,240
have that opportunity.
But it doesn't go back terribly

2364
02:15:07,240 --> 02:15:10,600
far either.
And so I kind of hit a dead end.

2365
02:15:10,720 --> 02:15:13,520
And I mean, like, I tried when I
was in the LDS Church.

2366
02:15:13,600 --> 02:15:18,760
I stumped those late little old
ladies who were really good at

2367
02:15:18,760 --> 02:15:21,680
it, right?
Like I would go in and I would

2368
02:15:21,680 --> 02:15:24,800
tell them what I was up against.
They'd be like, oh, we can fix

2369
02:15:24,800 --> 02:15:26,560
it.
Don't worry about it, right?

2370
02:15:26,560 --> 02:15:29,320
Like, come, come back, come back
and let me do some research.

2371
02:15:29,320 --> 02:15:32,240
And every one of them, every
time I came back was like, can't

2372
02:15:32,240 --> 02:15:34,280
do, sorry.
There's nothing, nothing we can

2373
02:15:34,280 --> 02:15:35,920
do, right?
We've, we've searched high,

2374
02:15:35,920 --> 02:15:38,600
we've searched low.
I pulled every string I can

2375
02:15:38,600 --> 02:15:41,720
think of pulling on.
And this may just have to wait

2376
02:15:41,720 --> 02:15:47,240
until after the Millennium.
And so it's getting close to

2377
02:15:47,240 --> 02:15:49,840
dedicating this temple.
And I realized I got to somehow

2378
02:15:49,840 --> 02:15:52,600
come up with with my own names,
right?

2379
02:15:52,600 --> 02:15:54,920
I'm not to say that people
wouldn't have been generous and

2380
02:15:54,920 --> 02:15:56,840
been like, sure, you can help me
out with mine.

2381
02:15:56,840 --> 02:15:58,440
I'm sure that would have been
the case.

2382
02:15:59,200 --> 02:16:06,040
But I just felt that pull and,
and I must have fought it for

2383
02:16:06,040 --> 02:16:09,400
probably two or three weeks.
And I'm like, fine, I'll get

2384
02:16:09,400 --> 02:16:14,160
back on FamilySearch, right?
I'll just try it one more time.

2385
02:16:15,880 --> 02:16:21,800
Due diligence sort of a thing.
And I made the determination to

2386
02:16:21,800 --> 02:16:26,160
do it.
And one night I was just laying

2387
02:16:26,160 --> 02:16:31,880
in bed and I could not sleep.
It was probably, it was probably

2388
02:16:31,880 --> 02:16:35,959
2:30 in the morning.
And I was like, whatever, I'll

2389
02:16:35,959 --> 02:16:39,600
get up, I'll go to my office.
I'll do some work, right.

2390
02:16:39,600 --> 02:16:41,959
I can get a whole bunch of work
done before anyone else gets

2391
02:16:41,959 --> 02:16:44,040
into the office to start blowing
up my phone.

2392
02:16:44,559 --> 02:16:48,959
This will be good.
I sat down and I have like 3

2393
02:16:48,959 --> 02:16:51,600
laptops, right?
I got one, one for work and I

2394
02:16:51,600 --> 02:16:57,320
got a couple for the podcast and
I'm just, I'm, I'm firing up my,

2395
02:16:57,400 --> 02:17:01,120
my work laptop and just the,
the, the thought hits me.

2396
02:17:01,240 --> 02:17:03,639
You should really check into
your family history.

2397
02:17:04,719 --> 02:17:07,879
You know, it's quiet.
There's no one around like fine.

2398
02:17:08,719 --> 02:17:11,719
And so I hit the power button
and then I get another

2399
02:17:11,719 --> 02:17:13,799
prompting.
Aren't you going to pray first?

2400
02:17:14,719 --> 02:17:17,000
I'm like, son of a, what do you
want?

2401
02:17:17,040 --> 02:17:20,719
Right?
And so I, I say, OK, fine, you

2402
02:17:20,719 --> 02:17:24,799
know, and, and I get on my knees
and I say a prayer and I

2403
02:17:24,799 --> 02:17:27,799
thought, you know, I'm just
going to start from scratch.

2404
02:17:28,160 --> 02:17:29,799
I'm just going to add my dad's
name.

2405
02:17:29,799 --> 02:17:31,719
Not that I'm going to do that
again because it's already been

2406
02:17:31,719 --> 02:17:33,600
done.
I have confidence in how it was

2407
02:17:33,600 --> 02:17:36,080
done.
We're good, but I'll just start

2408
02:17:36,080 --> 02:17:40,840
a brand new tree, start with him
and my mom, and then just start

2409
02:17:40,840 --> 02:17:45,879
working my way back.
So I hit my mom's side first

2410
02:17:45,879 --> 02:17:47,920
because I thought that would be
the one that would yield the

2411
02:17:47,920 --> 02:17:50,920
most fruit, right?
I'm like, this is the one that

2412
02:17:50,920 --> 02:17:53,400
makes most sense to work on
because I know what I'm up

2413
02:17:53,400 --> 02:17:59,080
against on my dad's.
And I get back to about where it

2414
02:17:59,080 --> 02:18:01,600
did cut off before, about the
mid 1800s.

2415
02:18:02,480 --> 02:18:07,559
And then I hit one more back
arrow and all of a sudden it

2416
02:18:07,559 --> 02:18:11,559
just loads, just loads and asks
if I want to connect.

2417
02:18:12,080 --> 02:18:13,440
And I'm like, well, I can't be
right.

2418
02:18:13,799 --> 02:18:16,200
And so I start doing some
research and I'm like, oh, no,

2419
02:18:16,200 --> 02:18:18,280
that's right.
And so I get that.

2420
02:18:18,280 --> 02:18:22,080
And then it now it goes back to
like, I want to say it goes back

2421
02:18:22,080 --> 02:18:26,840
to right around 1020 AD.
And I'm like, OK, well, I'll

2422
02:18:26,840 --> 02:18:28,840
keep me busy, right?
I'll keep me busy.

2423
02:18:28,840 --> 02:18:31,160
For a while.
I was like, and I was ready to

2424
02:18:31,160 --> 02:18:34,760
shut off the laptop right again,
because my dad's work had been

2425
02:18:34,760 --> 02:18:41,480
next to impossible to do.
And so I was like, ow, I'm here,

2426
02:18:41,799 --> 02:18:44,080
fired up.
I still got 4 hours.

2427
02:18:44,080 --> 02:18:47,320
Let's see what I can do.
So I put in my dad's name.

2428
02:18:47,320 --> 02:18:49,959
I put in his parents names.
I had those.

2429
02:18:50,920 --> 02:18:54,719
And then I hit the back button
firmly expecting to, you know,

2430
02:18:54,719 --> 02:18:58,000
get the blue wheel of death and
the question mark thingy again.

2431
02:18:59,520 --> 02:19:01,000
And I'll be damned if it doesn't
load.

2432
02:19:01,440 --> 02:19:08,600
And it loads way back, way back.
Like, like back to Charlemagne

2433
02:19:08,719 --> 02:19:12,680
kind of way back.
And it took one person doing it

2434
02:19:14,240 --> 02:19:20,160
and my reason and, and for the
first time I had, I had an idea

2435
02:19:20,160 --> 02:19:25,160
where I came from.
I knew for the first time I

2436
02:19:25,160 --> 02:19:29,600
could be like, oh, I, I knew my
ethnicity, but I did not know

2437
02:19:30,520 --> 02:19:35,200
who they were.
And it loads and it keeps

2438
02:19:35,200 --> 02:19:37,840
loading and it keeps loading.
And I'm like, you got to be

2439
02:19:37,840 --> 02:19:44,440
kidding.
I think for so long as Mormon

2440
02:19:44,440 --> 02:19:47,639
fundamentalists, we have been
without temples by and large.

2441
02:19:49,560 --> 02:19:53,240
And I think the times have
changed.

2442
02:19:53,320 --> 02:19:57,120
I think the seasons have changed
for fundamentalists.

2443
02:19:57,120 --> 02:20:00,880
Now there's no more excuses.
I hate to put it that way.

2444
02:20:00,880 --> 02:20:02,360
I hate to be the bearer of bad
news.

2445
02:20:02,600 --> 02:20:05,840
There's no more excuses, right?
You may have to drive.

2446
02:20:06,000 --> 02:20:11,120
You may have to make a trip.
But I mean, I guess you could

2447
02:20:11,120 --> 02:20:12,800
stay home.
It's only somebody else's

2448
02:20:12,840 --> 02:20:15,400
eternal salvation at risk.
I mean, yeah, you could.

2449
02:20:15,400 --> 02:20:19,760
You could stay home.
Yeah, I know, I know.

2450
02:20:19,760 --> 02:20:21,560
I I picked that one up good,
didn't I?

2451
02:20:22,600 --> 02:20:27,680
And and but.
But my point is the times have

2452
02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:30,720
changed, right?
I think there is now an

2453
02:20:30,720 --> 02:20:34,120
acceleration that has happened
and we got no more excuses.

2454
02:20:35,040 --> 02:20:38,840
To me, that was a testimony from
the Lord that it's time to go to

2455
02:20:38,840 --> 02:20:40,880
work.
We're done hanging out.

2456
02:20:41,200 --> 02:20:42,880
Those days are past.
They're done.

2457
02:20:43,160 --> 02:20:47,600
It's time to get active and what
it, you know, not just in temple

2458
02:20:47,600 --> 02:20:50,960
work, but especially in temple
work, it's time to get active.

2459
02:20:50,960 --> 02:20:52,240
It's time to get front and
center.

2460
02:20:52,240 --> 02:20:56,440
It's time to get present and get
cracking because we don't have a

2461
02:20:56,440 --> 02:20:58,120
lot of time.
And I think the Lord is letting

2462
02:20:58,120 --> 02:21:01,080
us know that, but he's also
saying I got you and I'll help.

2463
02:21:02,680 --> 02:21:04,360
Yeah.
So.

2464
02:21:05,080 --> 02:21:07,680
Thank you for sharing that.
So then that leads to my next

2465
02:21:07,680 --> 02:21:09,640
part.
You got to set a research goal.

2466
02:21:10,000 --> 02:21:14,720
So what are you going to do now?
I'm going to keep going back.

2467
02:21:14,840 --> 02:21:18,840
Well, OK, if I'm not mistaken, I
think this comes from, I heard

2468
02:21:18,840 --> 02:21:21,240
this from you.
Once you get to Charlemagne,

2469
02:21:21,320 --> 02:21:22,880
doesn't it go all the way back
to Adam?

2470
02:21:24,200 --> 02:21:26,680
Pretty much.
Pretty much that's that's kind

2471
02:21:26,680 --> 02:21:28,800
of what I thought and I did some
research on.

2472
02:21:28,800 --> 02:21:31,000
Charlemagne to Christ, Christ to
Adam.

2473
02:21:31,280 --> 02:21:34,680
Yep, Yep.
And I did some research on

2474
02:21:34,680 --> 02:21:37,240
Charlemagne.
That dude had some kids.

2475
02:21:37,600 --> 02:21:40,360
That dude had some wives.
That dude was prolific.

2476
02:21:40,640 --> 02:21:44,360
Like as a polygamous man, I'm
like, that dude's my hero.

2477
02:21:46,920 --> 02:21:50,800
Because that guy single handedly
I think repopulated Europe a

2478
02:21:50,800 --> 02:21:51,960
couple times.
I'm not sure.

2479
02:21:51,960 --> 02:21:53,880
But I mean, like he was, he was
prolific.

2480
02:21:55,520 --> 02:21:59,600
But I still have my mom's to do
right and I still have to

2481
02:21:59,600 --> 02:22:02,440
connect, figure out how
Charlemagne gets back to Christ

2482
02:22:02,440 --> 02:22:07,320
and then Christ back to Adam.
So so I got I got some stuff

2483
02:22:07,320 --> 02:22:10,320
there to put into place there,
but I still got my mom's to do

2484
02:22:10,800 --> 02:22:13,640
right.
And now I have a whole new

2485
02:22:13,640 --> 02:22:17,080
problem, which is just starting
to prepare those names right to

2486
02:22:17,080 --> 02:22:20,440
go through.
And then I'm going to need some

2487
02:22:20,440 --> 02:22:23,960
help, right?
Like I was talking to my, my, my

2488
02:22:24,520 --> 02:22:27,640
22 year old son, I'm like, you
need to get cracking because

2489
02:22:27,640 --> 02:22:29,800
there's no way I'm finishing
this crap all on my own.

2490
02:22:30,160 --> 02:22:32,000
You got to, you got to buckle
down, son.

2491
02:22:32,000 --> 02:22:36,520
I need your help.
And that doesn't include my

2492
02:22:36,520 --> 02:22:38,880
wife's work, both my wife's
work.

2493
02:22:38,880 --> 02:22:45,320
I mean, typically, unless we get
some help, there's no way we're

2494
02:22:45,320 --> 02:22:46,760
getting it all done in my
lifetime.

2495
02:22:48,160 --> 02:22:51,040
And that's, that's true, you
know, and I mean, thank goodness

2496
02:22:51,040 --> 02:22:54,320
we all know what we're going to
be doing in the Millennium, you

2497
02:22:54,320 --> 02:22:57,040
know, and, and you know, if I
could win the lottery, which I

2498
02:22:57,040 --> 02:22:59,800
don't play, but if I could win
the lottery, that'd be helpful

2499
02:22:59,800 --> 02:23:03,360
because then maybe I could, you
know, do more family history

2500
02:23:03,360 --> 02:23:06,240
work and we can open up our
temple full time and have maybe,

2501
02:23:06,520 --> 02:23:09,720
you know, three or three
sessions around the clock or

2502
02:23:09,720 --> 02:23:10,960
four sessions, you know what I
mean?

2503
02:23:11,160 --> 02:23:13,400
That would be, that'd be
amazing.

2504
02:23:13,760 --> 02:23:17,800
But it's, it's baby steps, you
know, you start somewhere and

2505
02:23:17,800 --> 02:23:19,320
that's why you have to set this
goal.

2506
02:23:19,600 --> 02:23:22,280
And so, you know, you got to
look at this and go, OK, there's

2507
02:23:22,560 --> 02:23:25,680
blanks in my family group sheet.
What did I, you know, what do I

2508
02:23:25,680 --> 02:23:29,320
want to learn about my family?
There's something somebody's

2509
02:23:29,320 --> 02:23:31,160
missing here.
I've had somebody come to me.

2510
02:23:31,160 --> 02:23:33,440
I've had a feeling the spirits
told me to act.

2511
02:23:33,680 --> 02:23:37,280
What is my goal going to be?
So some people, you know, just

2512
02:23:37,280 --> 02:23:40,640
want to stick to names, dates,
places and collect as many

2513
02:23:40,640 --> 02:23:44,240
ancestors as possible.
My preference, however, is to

2514
02:23:44,240 --> 02:23:46,600
put the history into my family
history.

2515
02:23:47,000 --> 02:23:50,320
And beyond the names and dates,
I look for information that's

2516
02:23:50,320 --> 02:23:54,600
going to help me walk in my
ancestors footsteps, so to

2517
02:23:54,600 --> 02:23:55,440
speak.
Right.

2518
02:23:55,840 --> 02:23:58,560
And this includes things like,
what was their occupation?

2519
02:23:58,640 --> 02:24:00,760
Where did they own land?
Were they farmers?

2520
02:24:00,760 --> 02:24:04,120
Were they cattlemen?
Were they, you know, did did

2521
02:24:04,120 --> 02:24:06,920
they just have, you know, an
apartment in a town?

2522
02:24:07,120 --> 02:24:10,240
What what was their life like?
Well, who were their friends?

2523
02:24:10,240 --> 02:24:14,640
Who were their neighbors?
You know, and then some like,

2524
02:24:14,640 --> 02:24:20,280
OK, earlier this week I was
looking at my, my mom's parents

2525
02:24:23,240 --> 02:24:26,440
funeral program and I'm like,
who are these pallbearers?

2526
02:24:26,440 --> 02:24:30,440
You know, some of them were
clearly family and I knew the

2527
02:24:30,440 --> 02:24:32,760
names, but some of them were
not.

2528
02:24:33,320 --> 02:24:36,040
And I was like, who are these
people in their life?

2529
02:24:36,040 --> 02:24:37,880
And, and were they?
And then it's interesting

2530
02:24:37,880 --> 02:24:44,320
because back at, at the time, my
favorite Bishop growing up, oh,

2531
02:24:44,600 --> 02:24:48,920
I had two favorite bishops, but
this one because I was just

2532
02:24:48,920 --> 02:24:52,120
going into young women's and he
was just put in and he took us

2533
02:24:52,120 --> 02:24:57,520
on this huge temple tour trip
and well, guess what his wife

2534
02:24:57,520 --> 02:24:59,120
sung at my grandmother's
funeral.

2535
02:24:59,680 --> 02:25:01,240
Wow.
Yeah.

2536
02:25:02,120 --> 02:25:04,840
So there's little things like
that that you find along the way

2537
02:25:04,840 --> 02:25:08,040
that really make a connection
and make it more personal.

2538
02:25:08,280 --> 02:25:12,400
So as I collect every scrap of
information, you know, it builds

2539
02:25:12,400 --> 02:25:15,680
out this life and it shows me
how I'm connected to not just

2540
02:25:15,680 --> 02:25:21,600
them, but to other people, to,
you know, maybe you, maybe we

2541
02:25:21,600 --> 02:25:24,320
are blood related after all,
instead of just feeling like

2542
02:25:24,400 --> 02:25:25,920
there's a connection there, you
know?

2543
02:25:26,320 --> 02:25:29,320
Could be I'm a little concerned
about that because that might

2544
02:25:29,400 --> 02:25:32,080
actually give you legal right to
hold my head in the toilet and

2545
02:25:32,080 --> 02:25:36,320
flush it, but I will.
I'll run with that here.

2546
02:25:36,320 --> 02:25:37,760
Here's the other thing I'll say,
right?

2547
02:25:37,840 --> 02:25:40,600
I could not have made the
connections that I did on my

2548
02:25:40,600 --> 02:25:43,840
dad's side without somebody else
doing their their end of it.

2549
02:25:44,760 --> 02:25:48,560
Somebody out there, for lack of
a better term, backdoored this

2550
02:25:48,560 --> 02:25:53,240
thing and came in a different
direction that I had no idea

2551
02:25:53,240 --> 02:25:54,800
existed, right?
Right.

2552
02:25:55,640 --> 02:25:58,600
And I've tried to reach out to
this person to thank them

2553
02:25:58,600 --> 02:26:03,240
personally because they'll never
know what that meant to me.

2554
02:26:03,600 --> 02:26:10,360
They'll have no idea, no idea.
And so not only are there

2555
02:26:10,360 --> 02:26:14,280
blessings on the other side and
eternally, but you could bless

2556
02:26:14,280 --> 02:26:17,080
the lives of people here by get
engaging in this work.

2557
02:26:17,080 --> 02:26:20,320
I can't think of a much better
gift than telling someone where

2558
02:26:20,320 --> 02:26:27,160
they're from, and keep that in
mind as you do This is is if

2559
02:26:27,160 --> 02:26:31,320
anyone's out there like me,
like, damn, the football game's

2560
02:26:31,320 --> 02:26:32,920
on.
I would just much rather get a

2561
02:26:32,920 --> 02:26:36,320
pizza and sit down and watch the
game.

2562
02:26:37,720 --> 02:26:40,200
But there's far more worthy
things for us to do.

2563
02:26:41,000 --> 02:26:44,280
Yeah, there are.
And I think that there is times

2564
02:26:44,280 --> 02:26:46,960
for those down times and those
really good ball games, you

2565
02:26:46,960 --> 02:26:50,960
know, especially if you know,
Boise State decides to be a

2566
02:26:50,960 --> 02:26:53,440
better team and they're back in
the game again.

2567
02:26:53,680 --> 02:26:55,720
Yeah, that did not go well for
us this time around.

2568
02:26:57,040 --> 02:27:00,760
Well, Ann and I both spent a lot
of time in in in western Idaho.

2569
02:27:00,760 --> 02:27:04,520
So there there's a natural love
and affinity for the Boise State

2570
02:27:04,520 --> 02:27:08,040
Broncos, but they did not show
up when it mattered most.

2571
02:27:09,000 --> 02:27:11,440
No sad.
Sad, but true.

2572
02:27:11,920 --> 02:27:14,880
So, OK, what do you do after
you've you've decided which

2573
02:27:14,880 --> 02:27:17,920
family line you're going to go
on and you've learned a little

2574
02:27:17,920 --> 02:27:21,280
bit more about them, then you're
going to set this goal and

2575
02:27:21,280 --> 02:27:24,600
you've set a goal to, to do
something right now you've got

2576
02:27:24,600 --> 02:27:27,040
to start doing the actual work
in the searching.

2577
02:27:27,040 --> 02:27:29,920
So we've got to start tracing
our family back.

2578
02:27:30,200 --> 02:27:32,280
And maybe, you know, if you're
in the United States listing,

2579
02:27:32,280 --> 02:27:34,600
maybe that's back to the
immigrant family and where did

2580
02:27:34,600 --> 02:27:37,520
they come from?
You know, if you're listening in

2581
02:27:37,520 --> 02:27:41,480
Europe or in South Africa or
Central America or wherever, and

2582
02:27:41,480 --> 02:27:44,440
your family's been there
forever, you know, where do you

2583
02:27:44,440 --> 02:27:48,880
go next after you've gone to and
exhausted all of the, the

2584
02:27:48,880 --> 02:27:51,000
resources in your community?
What's next?

2585
02:27:51,000 --> 02:27:53,280
Right.
So it's important to set these

2586
02:27:53,280 --> 02:27:56,560
goals and you know, you're going
to include long term goals and

2587
02:27:56,560 --> 02:28:00,400
short term goals, you know, when
you're doing this.

2588
02:28:00,480 --> 02:28:04,080
And part of that is going to
involve preparing your names to

2589
02:28:04,080 --> 02:28:05,440
go to the temple.
OK.

2590
02:28:05,760 --> 02:28:10,680
But your long term goal may be
that you need to learn where

2591
02:28:11,000 --> 02:28:15,720
your, you know, O'Donnell family
came from in there, you know,

2592
02:28:15,720 --> 02:28:21,840
and what historical or ancestral
homeland was in their life.

2593
02:28:21,840 --> 02:28:24,040
Where did they live?
Were they Irish?

2594
02:28:24,480 --> 02:28:26,120
Were they Scottish?
Right.

2595
02:28:26,240 --> 02:28:29,440
Where did they live?
And you know, how long ago did

2596
02:28:29,440 --> 02:28:31,840
this happen?
Sometimes I'm like, I'm I'm

2597
02:28:32,320 --> 02:28:34,640
going through and I'm I've
because I've gotten back pretty

2598
02:28:34,640 --> 02:28:37,280
far and I'm looking, I'm like,
where am I going to find the

2599
02:28:37,280 --> 02:28:40,040
immigrant?
And it's like they were one of

2600
02:28:40,040 --> 02:28:43,640
the first ones here and you
know, you don't know.

2601
02:28:43,840 --> 02:28:46,680
And it's also fun when you go
down some of these tangents that

2602
02:28:46,680 --> 02:28:49,880
you can like, you look at things
and connect and say, OK, how

2603
02:28:49,880 --> 02:28:51,160
many people were on the
Mayflower?

2604
02:28:52,200 --> 02:28:57,320
How many families?
Well, I come from like eight or

2605
02:28:57,320 --> 02:28:58,640
nine of them.
Right.

2606
02:28:59,320 --> 02:29:01,880
Because you know, those families
that are mingled and married

2607
02:29:01,880 --> 02:29:04,640
and, and everything.
And so it's great to have those

2608
02:29:04,640 --> 02:29:07,200
connections.
I also have King Charlemagne on

2609
02:29:07,560 --> 02:29:10,680
two of my lines.
And it's interesting to see how

2610
02:29:10,680 --> 02:29:14,200
that came about and which
direction it, you know, it it

2611
02:29:14,200 --> 02:29:17,240
happened, you're going to go
with the shortest connection to

2612
02:29:17,240 --> 02:29:20,880
call them your whatever
umpteenth, you know, great

2613
02:29:20,880 --> 02:29:24,080
grandfather is.
But you know, several

2614
02:29:24,080 --> 02:29:28,440
generations ago, you're going to
find something that is going to

2615
02:29:28,440 --> 02:29:30,920
open some more things up like
you did with your family.

2616
02:29:31,240 --> 02:29:35,880
And you know, the premise of
your research, you need to start

2617
02:29:35,880 --> 02:29:38,360
with yourself and work backwards
remains the same.

2618
02:29:38,760 --> 02:29:41,280
And that's the goal with tracing
your family back.

2619
02:29:41,280 --> 02:29:43,960
You're going to use birth
records, marriage records, death

2620
02:29:43,960 --> 02:29:46,720
records to trace that family
generation by generation.

2621
02:29:47,000 --> 02:29:50,320
Because when you do that and you
don't skip, you know that you're

2622
02:29:50,320 --> 02:29:52,920
on the right track and that this
is the family that you've

2623
02:29:52,920 --> 02:29:55,240
covenanted with.
And you know, I can tell you, I

2624
02:29:55,240 --> 02:30:00,000
found there were two people with
the same name and their their

2625
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:02,120
fathers had the same name, but
their grandfathers were

2626
02:30:02,120 --> 02:30:05,640
different.
And I went down the wrong way

2627
02:30:05,640 --> 02:30:10,040
one time and I could feel it.
I knew, but I didn't know where

2628
02:30:10,040 --> 02:30:13,560
I'd go back and start over and
go, oh, well, that's where I got

2629
02:30:13,560 --> 02:30:15,760
wrong.
And then you correct it and move

2630
02:30:15,760 --> 02:30:18,480
forward.
You know, locating records for

2631
02:30:18,480 --> 02:30:21,040
your family is going to be a
chore.

2632
02:30:21,280 --> 02:30:25,080
And immigrant records are going
to indicate some things to you.

2633
02:30:25,080 --> 02:30:27,680
They're going to tell you what
year they've migrated over here.

2634
02:30:27,920 --> 02:30:30,560
If they went from country to
country to country to get here,

2635
02:30:30,840 --> 02:30:33,440
you know, that may include
census records, passport

2636
02:30:33,440 --> 02:30:38,280
applications, church records.
You know, it might do all kinds

2637
02:30:38,280 --> 02:30:39,960
of things.
And why do I say church records?

2638
02:30:39,960 --> 02:30:44,280
Because it might be that, you
know, there's a story, There's

2639
02:30:44,280 --> 02:30:47,240
this guy, his wife dies, they're
living here.

2640
02:30:47,760 --> 02:30:51,840
He calls home to his family,
He's now a widow, He's got kids.

2641
02:30:52,800 --> 02:30:57,040
The The father-in-law says to
his unmarried daughter.

2642
02:30:57,200 --> 02:30:58,880
You're going to go over there
and be his wife.

2643
02:30:59,680 --> 02:31:01,400
Oh wow.
You're going to raise those

2644
02:31:01,400 --> 02:31:02,640
kids.
Yep.

2645
02:31:02,760 --> 02:31:05,680
And do this.
And so they start the progress

2646
02:31:05,680 --> 02:31:08,400
of getting her here.
Well, she couldn't come straight

2647
02:31:08,400 --> 02:31:09,760
to the United States at the
time.

2648
02:31:09,760 --> 02:31:13,440
It was early 1900s.
Rules had changed, so she went

2649
02:31:13,480 --> 02:31:16,360
to, I think she went to Canada
and he had to go up to Canada

2650
02:31:16,360 --> 02:31:18,920
and do like this courting things
similar to immigration now,

2651
02:31:18,920 --> 02:31:20,880
right?
You have to court to be able to

2652
02:31:20,880 --> 02:31:23,280
get people here on a fiance
visa.

2653
02:31:23,280 --> 02:31:26,800
So you have to go there and
visit and make, you know, the

2654
02:31:26,800 --> 02:31:31,800
connections and, you know, he
end up marrying her in Canada

2655
02:31:32,240 --> 02:31:35,560
and they were married, but still
it took some time to get her to

2656
02:31:35,560 --> 02:31:38,440
the United States.
And you're going to see this

2657
02:31:38,600 --> 02:31:41,440
path in this trail that your
ancestors took and it's going to

2658
02:31:41,440 --> 02:31:45,080
just open up loads of
information and gobs of respect

2659
02:31:45,080 --> 02:31:46,960
for the things that they went
through in their life.

2660
02:31:47,840 --> 02:31:52,240
You know, you need to locate the
immigrant family's port of

2661
02:31:52,240 --> 02:31:54,760
departure as well as their port
of arrival.

2662
02:31:55,000 --> 02:31:58,440
And these records will, that's
where the naturalization records

2663
02:31:58,440 --> 02:32:01,160
will come into play.
Published indexes of the

2664
02:32:01,160 --> 02:32:05,800
passenger and immigration lists
on ships, newspapers and get

2665
02:32:05,920 --> 02:32:08,240
familiar with ship passage
routes.

2666
02:32:08,680 --> 02:32:13,040
I mean, it's, that's going to be
a tangent in itself, at least it

2667
02:32:13,040 --> 02:32:15,160
was for me.
Because then you're like looking

2668
02:32:15,160 --> 02:32:18,280
at all these different, what
route did they take, you know,

2669
02:32:18,280 --> 02:32:24,200
and did they come on a sale or
a, you know, powered ship?

2670
02:32:24,200 --> 02:32:26,720
Right.
And did they follow this tide

2671
02:32:26,720 --> 02:32:29,920
path or this tide path in the
summer versus the winter?

2672
02:32:30,680 --> 02:32:32,800
You know, and it's just so
interesting because then you can

2673
02:32:32,800 --> 02:32:37,400
start seeing like trade routes
open up and then you can start

2674
02:32:37,400 --> 02:32:40,120
looking at even Scripture
differently, you know?

2675
02:32:41,040 --> 02:32:41,800
Right.
Absolutely.

2676
02:32:41,800 --> 02:32:46,960
It just opens up so many things.
But write down your goals, just

2677
02:32:46,960 --> 02:32:49,200
like, you know, we were supposed
to do in our personal life.

2678
02:32:49,200 --> 02:32:53,480
I mean, this is January.
We're recording this in and you

2679
02:32:53,480 --> 02:32:57,840
know, a lot of people put New
Year's resolutions down and, and

2680
02:32:57,840 --> 02:33:00,160
you have to stay with it.
If you don't write them down and

2681
02:33:00,160 --> 02:33:03,840
you don't have a specific place
to put this stuff and keep a

2682
02:33:03,840 --> 02:33:06,840
running list of your short term
goals so you can check them off

2683
02:33:06,840 --> 02:33:09,840
and see what your progress is,
you could get discouraged and

2684
02:33:09,840 --> 02:33:11,960
give up.
Keep writing them down.

2685
02:33:12,160 --> 02:33:14,360
Jot down things as you're
sitting there.

2686
02:33:14,680 --> 02:33:19,800
I carry a notebook in my bag, my
backpack with me everywhere I go

2687
02:33:19,800 --> 02:33:23,360
because I never know who I'm
going to meet, you know, and on

2688
02:33:23,360 --> 02:33:28,400
the FamilySearch app on my
phone, there's, you know, find

2689
02:33:28,400 --> 02:33:31,400
your relative with that's near
you or something, right?

2690
02:33:31,760 --> 02:33:35,960
My location by proximity.
And sometimes you're just out to

2691
02:33:35,960 --> 02:33:38,120
dinner and you turn it on.
You're like, oh, wait, there's

2692
02:33:38,120 --> 02:33:42,320
like 5 people here that I'm
related to or you're on an event

2693
02:33:42,360 --> 02:33:44,080
and you can do that and find
out.

2694
02:33:44,080 --> 02:33:47,320
And I take screenshots of stuff
and then I'll go back and I'll

2695
02:33:47,320 --> 02:33:50,400
follow up with people, try to
find them, figure out how we're

2696
02:33:50,400 --> 02:33:53,280
related or whatever.
But, you know, jotting these

2697
02:33:53,280 --> 02:33:56,560
things down and taking these
notes doesn't have to be fancy

2698
02:33:56,560 --> 02:33:59,360
and it doesn't have to be, you
know, super detailed.

2699
02:33:59,760 --> 02:34:03,240
It just has to be traceable.
So you know, that I'm talking

2700
02:34:03,240 --> 02:34:07,000
about, you know, Grandpa Smith
was born here and Great

2701
02:34:07,000 --> 02:34:09,880
grandma's maiden name was this.
And wow, I didn't know they

2702
02:34:09,880 --> 02:34:13,640
lived in this neighborhood in
1910 or in this town or the

2703
02:34:13,640 --> 02:34:15,880
state.
And you're going to thank

2704
02:34:15,880 --> 02:34:18,840
yourself the next time that you
end up at a library or an event

2705
02:34:18,840 --> 02:34:20,280
or something where you're doing
this.

2706
02:34:20,520 --> 02:34:23,800
So carry a notebook.
So carry a notebook and have

2707
02:34:23,800 --> 02:34:25,600
picnics in the in the
cemeteries.

2708
02:34:25,600 --> 02:34:27,920
The cemeteries, yes, that's the
goal.

2709
02:34:28,080 --> 02:34:30,520
That's the goal.
That's the goal, that's your

2710
02:34:30,520 --> 02:34:34,360
homework.
So preparing for outside

2711
02:34:34,360 --> 02:34:36,640
research.
So I've I've exhausted, you

2712
02:34:36,640 --> 02:34:39,680
know, all the stuff within my
home, within my family, within

2713
02:34:39,680 --> 02:34:42,240
my community, and now it's time
to go somewhere else.

2714
02:34:42,240 --> 02:34:45,080
At some point you're probably
going to go to a library, do

2715
02:34:45,080 --> 02:34:48,840
archive research, you know, go
to other locations to look up

2716
02:34:48,840 --> 02:34:52,960
information for your family.
And we learn more about the

2717
02:34:52,960 --> 02:34:56,520
types of places that we can go
here in this on this slide.

2718
02:34:56,840 --> 02:35:00,680
You know, it's just things that
you can do when you find these

2719
02:35:00,680 --> 02:35:03,760
places that you want to go, no
matter the location for your

2720
02:35:03,760 --> 02:35:06,560
research trip, you're going to
be way more productive if you do

2721
02:35:06,560 --> 02:35:09,920
homework upfront and you know
what you're walking into before

2722
02:35:09,920 --> 02:35:11,000
you go.
Right.

2723
02:35:11,600 --> 02:35:15,520
So I won't say who, but I had a
friend who took a road trip and

2724
02:35:15,520 --> 02:35:19,040
did some family history research
and it was just her and her

2725
02:35:19,040 --> 02:35:24,040
daughter and slightly different
subject, but she carries conceal

2726
02:35:24,040 --> 02:35:26,280
and she walked into a place and
forgot that that was on there

2727
02:35:26,280 --> 02:35:29,160
and found out she could not take
that in there.

2728
02:35:29,600 --> 02:35:33,120
So do your research and make
sure and be cognizant of when

2729
02:35:33,120 --> 02:35:35,000
you're travelling, what you're
doing.

2730
02:35:35,000 --> 02:35:38,080
And if you have to fly somewhere
because you can't drive, what

2731
02:35:38,080 --> 02:35:40,920
are you going to take that is
not going to take up all your

2732
02:35:40,920 --> 02:35:43,120
bag space.
A little notebook and a cell

2733
02:35:43,120 --> 02:35:44,760
phone with, you know, take
camera.

2734
02:35:44,880 --> 02:35:47,720
You know, pictures is going to
be probably the best thing for

2735
02:35:47,720 --> 02:35:49,080
you and that's really all you
need.

2736
02:35:49,400 --> 02:35:52,440
But pack your research bag,
depending on where you're going,

2737
02:35:53,200 --> 02:35:56,160
call ahead, find out the best
days that they operate, you

2738
02:35:56,160 --> 02:35:57,920
know, get directions to where
they're going.

2739
02:35:57,920 --> 02:36:01,720
I mean, we have GPS on our
phones now and stuff, but still,

2740
02:36:02,040 --> 02:36:05,240
sometimes GPS isn't always
accurate, especially out in the

2741
02:36:05,240 --> 02:36:08,480
boondocks.
So, you know, ask if there's any

2742
02:36:08,480 --> 02:36:11,360
special requirements to enter.
Do you have to sign up for

2743
02:36:11,360 --> 02:36:13,080
something?
You know, do you have to be a

2744
02:36:13,080 --> 02:36:16,240
member of their system to be
able to go in and talk to them

2745
02:36:16,240 --> 02:36:19,120
or look at their materials,
microfilm, whatever.

2746
02:36:19,480 --> 02:36:23,120
And some libraries, you know,
there's some things you're not

2747
02:36:23,120 --> 02:36:24,960
allowed to take and there's some
things that they're going to

2748
02:36:24,960 --> 02:36:29,120
recommend that you take.
So sometimes you cannot take

2749
02:36:29,720 --> 02:36:31,040
anything but a paper and a
pencil.

2750
02:36:31,320 --> 02:36:34,560
You can't take your phone.
Sometimes they will allow those.

2751
02:36:34,920 --> 02:36:37,120
So, you know, and maybe there's
usage fees.

2752
02:36:37,160 --> 02:36:40,600
Take cash.
I know that's weird, but take

2753
02:36:40,600 --> 02:36:43,880
cash with you so that you can
pay for usage fees or

2754
02:36:43,880 --> 02:36:46,880
photocopying things and find out
if there's a parking fee or

2755
02:36:46,880 --> 02:36:50,600
something.
Pack your bag according to what

2756
02:36:50,600 --> 02:36:52,680
you find out there for this
special thing.

2757
02:36:53,000 --> 02:36:55,680
And I'm going to suggest a few
things that you should put in

2758
02:36:55,680 --> 02:36:57,840
there.
Put in there some family group

2759
02:36:57,840 --> 02:37:01,400
sheets, printed family group
sheets because if you can't

2760
02:37:01,400 --> 02:37:05,440
take, you know, a phone to take
pictures of things, you can fill

2761
02:37:05,440 --> 02:37:08,160
out these forms and it will keep
your stuff organized.

2762
02:37:09,360 --> 02:37:12,000
Take extra pencils, a pencil
sharpener if you're using

2763
02:37:12,000 --> 02:37:15,400
pencils or a pen with extra ink
or more than one pen.

2764
02:37:15,680 --> 02:37:18,280
Take all the blank forms that
you think you're going to maybe

2765
02:37:18,280 --> 02:37:20,480
need for that, a magnifying
glass.

2766
02:37:20,960 --> 02:37:23,520
I'm getting older.
I don't know about you, but

2767
02:37:23,520 --> 02:37:26,320
sometimes those small prints are
a little bit harder to read.

2768
02:37:26,680 --> 02:37:30,080
And not every library is going
to have something like that that

2769
02:37:30,080 --> 02:37:35,920
you can use.
And sometimes, besides taking

2770
02:37:35,920 --> 02:37:38,920
money for things, you might need
to take a tissue.

2771
02:37:40,320 --> 02:37:43,360
I have cried in libraries.
Have you?

2772
02:37:43,840 --> 02:37:46,840
I have shed tears because of the
information that I found that I

2773
02:37:46,840 --> 02:37:49,560
was searching for.
I get emotional thinking about

2774
02:37:49,560 --> 02:37:50,680
it now, right?
Just get.

2775
02:37:51,880 --> 02:37:56,680
A little travel one, especially
if you're emotional and you cry

2776
02:37:56,680 --> 02:37:59,480
easy and you get excited when
you cry or you cry when you're

2777
02:37:59,480 --> 02:38:02,080
excited, whatever.
But plan your trip.

2778
02:38:02,520 --> 02:38:05,080
Plan the day out.
No, what are the hours that they

2779
02:38:05,080 --> 02:38:07,920
operate?
Make sure that you're going to

2780
02:38:07,920 --> 02:38:09,800
be able to be there without
distraction.

2781
02:38:10,080 --> 02:38:12,960
Silence your phone.
Right.

2782
02:38:13,680 --> 02:38:15,920
Don't take all these put on do
not disturb.

2783
02:38:16,120 --> 02:38:19,880
Those will come through when
it's off and say I'm going to be

2784
02:38:19,880 --> 02:38:22,480
here for five hours.
I'm going to be here for 10

2785
02:38:22,480 --> 02:38:23,880
hours because they're open for
10 hours.

2786
02:38:24,200 --> 02:38:28,800
Do not show up two hours before
they close and think that you're

2787
02:38:28,800 --> 02:38:29,840
going to get a lot of stuff
done.

2788
02:38:30,280 --> 02:38:33,040
You're just getting planned for
more than two hours.

2789
02:38:33,560 --> 02:38:38,000
It's really frustrating when you
get there and you finally find

2790
02:38:38,000 --> 02:38:41,120
an ancestor and there's a ton of
clues, but then you have to

2791
02:38:41,120 --> 02:38:46,440
leave because they're closing.
Get there early in the day and

2792
02:38:46,440 --> 02:38:53,160
be fresh and ready to go.
You know, last summer I took a

2793
02:38:53,160 --> 02:38:56,360
trip with some friends and we
went to Missouri on vacation and

2794
02:38:59,000 --> 02:39:01,880
somebody just happened to say,
hey, there's a genealogy library

2795
02:39:01,880 --> 02:39:04,680
here that's amazing and you
might want to look into it.

2796
02:39:04,680 --> 02:39:07,560
I didn't know ahead of time I
couldn't do any of these things.

2797
02:39:07,960 --> 02:39:09,800
And guess what?
It was like 3:00.

2798
02:39:10,160 --> 02:39:12,480
Guess what time they closed?
4.

2799
02:39:13,440 --> 02:39:15,480
It was actually it was like 6.
But.

2800
02:39:16,880 --> 02:39:19,280
By the time, you know, 'cause
some of us were like, we got to

2801
02:39:19,280 --> 02:39:22,160
go, whose car we taking, you
know, 'cause there's like 20 of

2802
02:39:22,160 --> 02:39:25,200
us there.
And like eight of us went, and

2803
02:39:25,200 --> 02:39:27,280
we had a blast.
And they had little things that

2804
02:39:27,280 --> 02:39:31,640
you could do to, like, help you
learn how to do research, right?

2805
02:39:32,000 --> 02:39:33,400
They had a little activity
thing.

2806
02:39:33,600 --> 02:39:36,000
And it's right there in
Independence, MO.

2807
02:39:36,040 --> 02:39:40,040
It was a dream library for me as
a genealogist.

2808
02:39:40,440 --> 02:39:43,800
And you know, I might think I
didn't have any ancestors in

2809
02:39:43,800 --> 02:39:45,560
Missouri that I know of.
Well, guess what?

2810
02:39:45,560 --> 02:39:49,200
I found some and they have all
kinds of books and stuff that

2811
02:39:49,200 --> 02:39:53,000
you can research on the, you
know, Revolutionary War, all

2812
02:39:53,000 --> 02:39:58,120
these war, I mean, it's Civil
War, capital of the world almost

2813
02:39:58,120 --> 02:40:01,440
right for history records in in
that area.

2814
02:40:01,440 --> 02:40:03,640
And so they have a ton of that
stuff.

2815
02:40:04,080 --> 02:40:06,960
And, you know, you can go
through there and find all kinds

2816
02:40:06,960 --> 02:40:09,000
of things.
They do interoffice library

2817
02:40:09,000 --> 02:40:10,600
loans.
They even have an online system.

2818
02:40:10,600 --> 02:40:13,560
If you live in the state of
Missouri, which Dave you do, you

2819
02:40:13,560 --> 02:40:16,000
might want to look into this.
The name is the Midwest

2820
02:40:16,000 --> 02:40:19,720
Genealogy Center, or it's also
called the Midcontinent Public

2821
02:40:19,720 --> 02:40:21,600
Library.
They're the largest free

2822
02:40:21,600 --> 02:40:25,320
standing Public Library facility
in the nation and.

2823
02:40:25,920 --> 02:40:30,560
Midwestern what?
Midwest Genealogy Center, and

2824
02:40:30,560 --> 02:40:32,800
it's in Independence and it's
amazing.

2825
02:40:32,800 --> 02:40:35,960
And if you sign up and you're a
Missourian, there's online stuff

2826
02:40:35,960 --> 02:40:38,120
you can do all the time.
But if you're not a Missourian

2827
02:40:38,320 --> 02:40:41,760
and you sign up, you can access
that stuff for like 6 months,

2828
02:40:41,960 --> 02:40:44,720
but you have to go there in
person to sign up every six

2829
02:40:44,720 --> 02:40:47,000
months.
Oh, OK.

2830
02:40:47,080 --> 02:40:50,400
Yeah, I mean downfall, but is
it?

2831
02:40:50,520 --> 02:40:53,560
If you're a genealogist, you
know, sorry honey, got to take

2832
02:40:53,560 --> 02:40:55,920
another trip.
Especially if you're Mormon.

2833
02:40:56,320 --> 02:41:02,240
Come, come, come to Missouri.
I mean, look, LDS or or

2834
02:41:02,320 --> 02:41:03,840
fundamentalist right, come to
Missouri.

2835
02:41:03,840 --> 02:41:06,160
There's stuff here for you,
right?

2836
02:41:06,680 --> 02:41:07,560
For you to.
Come on.

2837
02:41:07,600 --> 02:41:11,640
By Almond, Liberty Jail, Far
West, all kinds, and then and

2838
02:41:11,640 --> 02:41:14,160
more depending on where you're
at.

2839
02:41:14,480 --> 02:41:17,280
And look, I know there's a ton
of fundamentalists that have yet

2840
02:41:17,280 --> 02:41:20,880
to get their ordinances done.
It would be a good trip, right?

2841
02:41:20,880 --> 02:41:24,400
Go, go do some genealogy, come
to the temple, get your

2842
02:41:24,400 --> 02:41:27,520
ordinances.
There's there's no reason not to

2843
02:41:27,520 --> 02:41:30,040
now.
Zero.

2844
02:41:31,120 --> 02:41:34,040
All right, so where what are
some places that you can look

2845
02:41:34,040 --> 02:41:37,320
besides, you know, some of them
that I've met, There's all

2846
02:41:37,320 --> 02:41:38,600
kinds.
There's International

2847
02:41:38,800 --> 02:41:41,480
Genealogical Index and it's
online.

2848
02:41:42,040 --> 02:41:43,840
You can look up a lot of that
stuff online.

2849
02:41:44,080 --> 02:41:46,120
You can use services to do that
as well.

2850
02:41:46,400 --> 02:41:48,400
You know, when you're looking
for information for outside

2851
02:41:48,400 --> 02:41:52,320
services or sources, these are
great places, You know, private

2852
02:41:52,320 --> 02:41:54,880
and public libraries.
Even a small library like the

2853
02:41:54,880 --> 02:41:59,360
one I have in my podunk town has
information like this.

2854
02:41:59,600 --> 02:42:02,760
My mother-in-law used to go
there and she just volunteered

2855
02:42:02,760 --> 02:42:05,760
at the library and she'd be
like, you would not believe what

2856
02:42:05,760 --> 02:42:08,960
I found today at the library.
And there's a lot of like

2857
02:42:08,960 --> 02:42:11,800
library apps that you can get on
your phone or on your computer

2858
02:42:12,080 --> 02:42:15,320
and you can check out and do
these checkouts where you can do

2859
02:42:15,320 --> 02:42:18,000
it electronically or they'll
mail you a book and then you

2860
02:42:18,000 --> 02:42:22,080
have to mail it back, right?
There's a ton of historical

2861
02:42:22,080 --> 02:42:25,920
societies and genealogical
societies that have museums and

2862
02:42:25,920 --> 02:42:28,960
different things that you can go
and look at, you know, in Utah

2863
02:42:28,960 --> 02:42:32,520
and Saint George, what is,
there's a pioneer library there

2864
02:42:32,520 --> 02:42:35,840
for, you know, all the people
that went around the area.

2865
02:42:35,840 --> 02:42:37,600
And it's really interesting what
you can learn.

2866
02:42:38,080 --> 02:42:40,400
I didn't know that one of my
ancestors actually had a house

2867
02:42:40,400 --> 02:42:42,840
there, Kitty corner from Brigham
Young's house there.

2868
02:42:43,080 --> 02:42:47,280
I didn't know that.
And the son was kind of a big

2869
02:42:47,280 --> 02:42:50,400
name in polygamy, so, but I
didn't know they were in Saint

2870
02:42:50,400 --> 02:42:52,360
George.
So that was kind of cool to go

2871
02:42:52,360 --> 02:42:54,600
and find out.
But then go to courthouses, go

2872
02:42:54,600 --> 02:42:58,440
to record offices, go to land
offices, you know, talk to a

2873
02:42:58,440 --> 02:43:02,320
surveyor you might know to get
some information or figure out

2874
02:43:02,320 --> 02:43:04,440
how to find out some records on
a piece of land.

2875
02:43:05,560 --> 02:43:08,400
That is genealogical work right
there.

2876
02:43:08,480 --> 02:43:10,480
And it helps you understand
where they're coming from.

2877
02:43:10,760 --> 02:43:13,360
Plus it points you to other
things like wills and probate.

2878
02:43:13,360 --> 02:43:17,040
And maybe you're going to find
out that, you know, your third

2879
02:43:17,040 --> 02:43:19,360
great grandfather had an
illegitimate son.

2880
02:43:19,880 --> 02:43:21,200
Right.
He was in the will.

2881
02:43:21,480 --> 02:43:24,040
That's why Granny's been upset
and though the rest of the kids

2882
02:43:24,040 --> 02:43:27,200
have been upset with him for the
rest of their lives and you have

2883
02:43:27,200 --> 02:43:29,120
this upsetness and now you know
why.

2884
02:43:29,800 --> 02:43:32,880
And, and here's the beautiful
thing about that, if you're into

2885
02:43:32,880 --> 02:43:37,280
awkward humor, there's would be
nothing better than at the

2886
02:43:37,280 --> 02:43:40,520
dinner table to ask about the
illegitimate sun around

2887
02:43:40,520 --> 02:43:42,920
Thanksgiving.
Just just gold.

2888
02:43:43,320 --> 02:43:46,600
You know, I, I know she had down
there courthouses and recorder's

2889
02:43:46,600 --> 02:43:52,120
offices.
I have spent my not just fair

2890
02:43:52,120 --> 02:43:56,280
share a good portion of my life
in recorder's offices as a land

2891
02:43:56,280 --> 02:44:01,200
surveyor.
Now, about 25% of the ladies

2892
02:44:01,200 --> 02:44:04,160
that work at any given
recorder's office in any state

2893
02:44:04,160 --> 02:44:07,120
within the union are not going
to have time for you.

2894
02:44:07,480 --> 02:44:11,200
But that's just 25%, right?
They're going to look at you and

2895
02:44:11,200 --> 02:44:12,800
be like the records you're back
there.

2896
02:44:12,800 --> 02:44:15,560
Don't talk to me.
I'm trying to watch Days of Our

2897
02:44:15,560 --> 02:44:17,880
Lives on my phone.
The.

2898
02:44:17,960 --> 02:44:20,560
Other paint your nails.
Right, right.

2899
02:44:21,400 --> 02:44:26,440
But the other 75% they will be
happy to see you because those

2900
02:44:26,440 --> 02:44:30,000
poor ladies become bored and
they get sick of seeing

2901
02:44:30,000 --> 02:44:32,640
surveyors.
So if you go in and you say,

2902
02:44:32,640 --> 02:44:36,280
hey, I want to search, you know,
marriage certificates and This

2903
02:44:36,280 --> 02:44:40,000
is why look the government
dangerous to just get married.

2904
02:44:40,000 --> 02:44:42,400
You might as well get some
recoup off of that.

2905
02:44:42,840 --> 02:44:48,240
So go in there and and start
looking those ladies in there. 9

2906
02:44:48,240 --> 02:44:52,360
times out of 10, not only will
they point you in the right

2907
02:44:52,360 --> 02:44:55,040
direction, chances are they're
going to be bored enough.

2908
02:44:55,120 --> 02:44:58,120
I don't know how many times I've
walked in having to take a piece

2909
02:44:58,120 --> 02:45:01,520
of land back to Patton, meaning,
you know, back to when the

2910
02:45:01,680 --> 02:45:06,600
parcel was first organized
during like the 1840s or

2911
02:45:06,600 --> 02:45:10,400
whatever.
And those little ladies are good

2912
02:45:10,560 --> 02:45:12,160
at that stuff.
I mean good.

2913
02:45:12,480 --> 02:45:15,640
And they will know things that
nobody else knows.

2914
02:45:15,840 --> 02:45:17,720
You know, they'll know what
books to look in.

2915
02:45:18,040 --> 02:45:20,320
And nine times out of 10,
they're probably going to help

2916
02:45:20,320 --> 02:45:22,320
you do it.
You'll give them something and

2917
02:45:22,320 --> 02:45:25,520
they will be like, I'll help you
because they are bored out of

2918
02:45:25,520 --> 02:45:29,440
their minds.
So please utilize that.

2919
02:45:29,440 --> 02:45:32,280
There is a lot of gems within
recorders offices.

2920
02:45:32,760 --> 02:45:35,520
And the other fun thing about
that is that when I went to one

2921
02:45:36,720 --> 02:45:41,000
in Nevada, a different town that
I live in, but they were not

2922
02:45:41,000 --> 02:45:43,000
only were they bored, but
they've been there forever.

2923
02:45:43,000 --> 02:45:45,080
This is a, you know, this is
their retirement job.

2924
02:45:45,080 --> 02:45:49,240
They started there when they
were like 2025 and they're, you

2925
02:45:49,240 --> 02:45:53,480
know, five years from retirement
and they know everybody in the

2926
02:45:53,480 --> 02:45:56,440
county and you're going to get
all the goods.

2927
02:45:56,760 --> 02:45:59,040
Yes, you will.
Yes you will.

2928
02:45:59,320 --> 02:46:03,240
And they probably have an idea
of how families link together

2929
02:46:03,520 --> 02:46:06,360
because they have either, they
either know where the records

2930
02:46:06,360 --> 02:46:08,240
are, right?
And there's going to be books,

2931
02:46:08,600 --> 02:46:11,640
they're great, big books, and
they're going to know exactly

2932
02:46:11,640 --> 02:46:13,880
where to look.
So utilize that resource.

2933
02:46:14,040 --> 02:46:15,920
Yes, do that.
Great.

2934
02:46:16,800 --> 02:46:20,360
All right.
So you know, the next thing

2935
02:46:20,360 --> 02:46:24,280
we're going to go back to record
sources and we have to talk

2936
02:46:24,280 --> 02:46:26,880
about those primary and
secondary records that I've been

2937
02:46:26,880 --> 02:46:29,920
bringing up.
So what are you going to look

2938
02:46:29,920 --> 02:46:31,760
for?
You have to know the basics of

2939
02:46:31,760 --> 02:46:36,640
who, what, when, where, why
sometimes and how to locate a

2940
02:46:36,640 --> 02:46:39,160
person.
And what do you need to find?

2941
02:46:39,160 --> 02:46:43,360
A full birth date or a birth
location, or you could swap

2942
02:46:43,360 --> 02:46:45,000
birth out for any of those,
right?

2943
02:46:45,400 --> 02:46:48,400
You need a full name if
possible, at least a first and

2944
02:46:48,400 --> 02:46:52,440
last name, approximate year
birth and and a geographical

2945
02:46:52,440 --> 02:46:57,040
location, at least a county to
start with of where to look.

2946
02:46:57,320 --> 02:47:01,440
Once you have, you know, your
list of questions and, and

2947
02:47:01,440 --> 02:47:03,640
everything we can, you can start
going through this and looking

2948
02:47:03,640 --> 02:47:07,160
into the different types of
resources that are available to

2949
02:47:07,160 --> 02:47:11,400
you and how that you can use
those to find the information.

2950
02:47:11,800 --> 02:47:14,640
So, you know, let's talk about a
birth date.

2951
02:47:15,000 --> 02:47:18,240
A birth date can be found on
birth certificates, census

2952
02:47:18,240 --> 02:47:22,960
records, marriage records,
potentially death certificates

2953
02:47:23,320 --> 02:47:27,440
and obituary notices and so on.
But what how do we know if that

2954
02:47:27,440 --> 02:47:29,600
is a primary source or a
secondary source?

2955
02:47:30,240 --> 02:47:32,640
That's the question I want to
answer here by the end of this

2956
02:47:32,840 --> 02:47:35,440
section.
So first of all, a full name.

2957
02:47:35,440 --> 02:47:37,240
Let's talk about that.
Before searching for an

2958
02:47:37,240 --> 02:47:40,120
ancestor's birth or date
location, you're going to need

2959
02:47:40,160 --> 02:47:42,480
to know a full name.
And if they're female, you

2960
02:47:42,480 --> 02:47:45,280
should probably know the maiden
name of your female ancestor

2961
02:47:45,600 --> 02:47:48,040
before searching for that,
unless it's all in the same

2962
02:47:48,040 --> 02:47:50,960
document, but then you wouldn't
be searching for the birth date.

2963
02:47:51,600 --> 02:47:53,600
Without this information, it's
going to be very difficult to

2964
02:47:53,600 --> 02:47:58,920
locate the records and, you
know, or even where to start

2965
02:47:58,920 --> 02:48:01,760
looking for the record and it
might make it impossible.

2966
02:48:02,440 --> 02:48:05,520
So you need to have that much
information, an approximate year

2967
02:48:05,520 --> 02:48:08,720
of birth, if you do not already
know it, you will need to know

2968
02:48:08,720 --> 02:48:11,600
the approximate year that your
ancestor was born.

2969
02:48:11,600 --> 02:48:14,760
And this can be estimated by
using their age at various

2970
02:48:14,800 --> 02:48:18,880
events in their life.
OK, you know, on a lot of like

2971
02:48:19,240 --> 02:48:23,200
obituaries for a parent, it'll
say my child.

2972
02:48:23,200 --> 02:48:28,000
And sometimes some of them have
a, you know, age that they were

2973
02:48:28,000 --> 02:48:30,400
when their parent died.
Some of them don't.

2974
02:48:31,320 --> 02:48:33,920
And it's really fun to read
obituaries.

2975
02:48:33,960 --> 02:48:36,560
I don't know, that kind of
probably sounds funny, but I

2976
02:48:36,560 --> 02:48:39,680
have done that.
Just random obituaries because,

2977
02:48:39,800 --> 02:48:45,720
you know, if they were Mormon or
not because of the amount of

2978
02:48:45,720 --> 02:48:49,400
information that is in these
obituaries just randomly next to

2979
02:48:49,400 --> 02:48:52,640
each other in the newspaper.
You know, my grandparents and my

2980
02:48:52,640 --> 02:48:55,080
parents used to say I read the
obituaries everybody to find out

2981
02:48:55,080 --> 02:48:56,720
if I died, you know, died or
not.

2982
02:48:57,080 --> 02:49:00,320
But there's so much information
you can find in there.

2983
02:49:00,560 --> 02:49:03,960
I just have read random ones in
in a newspaper before.

2984
02:49:04,120 --> 02:49:06,760
And I'm like, wait a minute, I
know this person.

2985
02:49:08,120 --> 02:49:10,320
And then, you know, I'm like a
person that's in there like a

2986
02:49:10,320 --> 02:49:12,240
child.
And you're like, who died?

2987
02:49:12,360 --> 02:49:15,360
And you have to go up and you
look and see who it was and

2988
02:49:15,360 --> 02:49:17,760
boom, you find a connection.
And then you can tie that in

2989
02:49:17,760 --> 02:49:19,560
there somehow.
And This is why it's so

2990
02:49:19,560 --> 02:49:22,800
important to, like, know about
your family because if you're

2991
02:49:22,800 --> 02:49:25,480
going to do weird things like,
you know, go to cemeteries and

2992
02:49:25,720 --> 02:49:29,040
have a snack and hang out with
the family and take pictures of

2993
02:49:29,040 --> 02:49:31,440
headstones or read obituaries in
the newspaper because you're

2994
02:49:31,440 --> 02:49:34,280
bored and the comics weren't
that good, maybe you're going to

2995
02:49:34,280 --> 02:49:36,000
find that gem you were looking
for.

2996
02:49:36,880 --> 02:49:40,240
Yeah, no, I just, like I said,
it's the most Mormon thing ever.

2997
02:49:40,480 --> 02:49:44,080
I just imagine going to the
cemetery, reading the obituaries

2998
02:49:44,080 --> 02:49:46,840
and hanging out.
The other thing I'll say side

2999
02:49:46,840 --> 02:49:50,960
note, side tangent.
Have you ever thought that maybe

3000
02:49:50,960 --> 02:49:53,120
they should put property
listings right with the

3001
02:49:53,120 --> 02:49:55,200
obituaries?
Like so and so died leaving

3002
02:49:55,200 --> 02:49:57,280
behind a spacious 4 bedroom
house.

3003
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:03,320
Anyway, sorry.
To attach pro to, you know, find

3004
02:50:03,320 --> 02:50:05,520
out about probate or wills then
right, right.

3005
02:50:05,680 --> 02:50:07,760
Exactly.
Just just roll right there.

3006
02:50:07,760 --> 02:50:09,320
Just kill two birds with one
stone.

3007
02:50:09,360 --> 02:50:12,000
I'm just saying I I think I
could help out some newspaper

3008
02:50:12,000 --> 02:50:12,600
people.
Yeah.

3009
02:50:13,480 --> 02:50:15,280
It would be nice.
Yeah.

3010
02:50:15,520 --> 02:50:18,720
So, you know, and.
And with obituaries in mind,

3011
02:50:18,720 --> 02:50:20,760
those not, they're not just
printed in newspapers.

3012
02:50:20,760 --> 02:50:22,120
There are a lot of them are
online now.

3013
02:50:22,160 --> 02:50:24,320
Yep.
Mortuaries have obituaries.

3014
02:50:24,560 --> 02:50:30,240
Legacy.com has obituaries, you
know, find a grave, Billion

3015
02:50:30,240 --> 02:50:31,840
graves, I think is what that one
is.

3016
02:50:32,040 --> 02:50:34,040
They, I mean, a lot of them will
have that kind of stuff in

3017
02:50:34,040 --> 02:50:36,040
there, plus Ancestry and other
places too.

3018
02:50:36,400 --> 02:50:38,640
But a lot of newspapers are all
online now.

3019
02:50:38,920 --> 02:50:43,600
And if you want to spend the
money, newspapers.com I believe

3020
02:50:43,600 --> 02:50:44,800
is what it is.
It's amazing.

3021
02:50:44,880 --> 02:50:48,680
I do it every so often because I
want to go in and find all these

3022
02:50:48,680 --> 02:50:51,040
great things.
But that's just another resource

3023
02:50:51,040 --> 02:50:53,080
online.
And you have to travel from home

3024
02:50:53,080 --> 02:50:55,920
if you can't travel, you know,
for whatever reason.

3025
02:50:56,680 --> 02:50:59,640
Right.
Then you can, if you have the

3026
02:50:59,640 --> 02:51:02,240
financial ability to do this,
then you can look through a lot

3027
02:51:02,240 --> 02:51:05,680
of this stuff online.
There's also military records

3028
02:51:05,680 --> 02:51:06,920
online.
Those are a lot of fun to go

3029
02:51:06,920 --> 02:51:08,520
through too.
But OK.

3030
02:51:08,520 --> 02:51:12,640
So approximating the place of
birth, if you don't already

3031
02:51:12,640 --> 02:51:16,520
know, you need to kind of have
an idea of around the area that

3032
02:51:16,520 --> 02:51:20,280
your ancestor was born because
you can usually find them on

3033
02:51:20,280 --> 02:51:24,480
records that are listed later in
life by tracing them and their

3034
02:51:24,480 --> 02:51:26,400
movements of their relatives and
their neighbors.

3035
02:51:26,400 --> 02:51:28,520
And that's why it's good to know
who your neighbors are too,

3036
02:51:28,800 --> 02:51:30,960
because a lot of people
especially, I mean, look at The

3037
02:51:30,960 --> 02:51:32,320
Pioneers and how they came
across.

3038
02:51:32,320 --> 02:51:35,280
They all moved across the plains
together knowing that they

3039
02:51:35,280 --> 02:51:36,840
traveled together.
They would do that.

3040
02:51:37,040 --> 02:51:40,760
But even if you go back in time,
typically that's how people,

3041
02:51:40,760 --> 02:51:43,240
communities migrated around
together.

3042
02:51:43,560 --> 02:51:49,000
You know, some of my family had
land up in north.

3043
02:51:49,120 --> 02:51:51,840
Well, I guess it's up north.
It'd be the northeastern

3044
02:51:51,840 --> 02:51:54,720
portion.
So it's above Rexburg in Idaho,

3045
02:51:55,560 --> 02:51:58,960
and it was known to have Modoc
Indians there, but that was

3046
02:51:58,960 --> 02:52:02,480
their summer home.
You know, Native Americans

3047
02:52:02,960 --> 02:52:06,480
traveled in their communities
from a winter place to a summer

3048
02:52:06,480 --> 02:52:08,680
location.
They traveled around, They

3049
02:52:08,680 --> 02:52:10,800
haunted and traveled around like
that.

3050
02:52:11,040 --> 02:52:13,760
So it's not just, you know,
Americans crossing the plains

3051
02:52:13,760 --> 02:52:18,160
for the California Gold Rush or
the Oregon Trail or The Pioneers

3052
02:52:18,160 --> 02:52:22,240
and the Mormons.
A lot of groups migrate and

3053
02:52:22,440 --> 02:52:24,640
relocate together.
So keep that in mind.

3054
02:52:25,200 --> 02:52:26,960
Yep.
All right.

3055
02:52:26,960 --> 02:52:31,520
So the abbreviations that we
discussed earlier are going to

3056
02:52:31,520 --> 02:52:33,840
come in handy when you're
reading primary and secondary

3057
02:52:33,840 --> 02:52:37,760
source records.
If you are new to genealogy

3058
02:52:37,760 --> 02:52:41,440
research, you may or may not
have heard the terms like

3059
02:52:41,440 --> 02:52:44,680
primary source and secondary
source until you were listening

3060
02:52:44,680 --> 02:52:47,440
to us today.
So what are these terms and how

3061
02:52:47,440 --> 02:52:50,360
do they relate to your ancestral
research?

3062
02:52:50,840 --> 02:52:54,080
Primary sources come from
records that were created by

3063
02:52:54,080 --> 02:52:59,240
someone who is required to
document accurate records, an

3064
02:52:59,240 --> 02:53:02,320
eyewitness or a person involved
at the time of the event.

3065
02:53:02,760 --> 02:53:05,560
So some of these are vital
records.

3066
02:53:05,600 --> 02:53:09,200
They include birth, death,
marriage, divorce records.

3067
02:53:10,480 --> 02:53:15,640
Those are all primary of family.
Bible could be considered a

3068
02:53:16,600 --> 02:53:19,520
primary or a secondary depending
on when it was recorded.

3069
02:53:19,720 --> 02:53:22,680
OK, deeds it go.
Well, I'm gonna stick on family

3070
02:53:22,680 --> 02:53:24,440
Bible for a minute.
How many of you have opened up

3071
02:53:24,440 --> 02:53:27,000
that family Bible and you're
reading it and it's in three

3072
02:53:27,000 --> 02:53:29,520
different fonts or three
different handwriting's and two

3073
02:53:29,520 --> 02:53:32,480
different, you know, shades of
fading that's happened on the

3074
02:53:32,480 --> 02:53:34,200
page.
It's because they're writing

3075
02:53:34,200 --> 02:53:36,680
them in when they occurred and
they found out about them in

3076
02:53:36,680 --> 02:53:38,560
their lives.
So it's, it's close to the

3077
02:53:38,560 --> 02:53:42,600
source typically.
So there's deeds, there's

3078
02:53:42,600 --> 02:53:46,480
military records, that is a
plethora of information and

3079
02:53:46,480 --> 02:53:51,680
provides a lot of great insight
on your ancestors, you know, but

3080
02:53:51,680 --> 02:53:53,080
I kind of like that kind of
thing.

3081
02:53:53,080 --> 02:53:57,520
So it's a lot of fun to look at
those census information

3082
02:53:57,520 --> 02:54:00,600
naturalization records.
There's a ton more, but that

3083
02:54:00,600 --> 02:54:03,560
family Bible would only be, I
want to just go back to that,

3084
02:54:03,560 --> 02:54:07,600
only be a primary source if the
event were recorded at the time

3085
02:54:07,600 --> 02:54:10,920
that the event happened.
Otherwise, I remember it's a

3086
02:54:10,920 --> 02:54:14,120
secondary source, but there's
other things on here that are

3087
02:54:14,120 --> 02:54:16,640
secondary sources.
A marriage record is a primary

3088
02:54:16,640 --> 02:54:19,960
source for the marriage
information.

3089
02:54:20,200 --> 02:54:22,920
There's extra information on
marriage records.

3090
02:54:23,200 --> 02:54:27,520
Those are secondaries.
OK, My parents names, his

3091
02:54:27,520 --> 02:54:30,040
parents names, the witnesses
names.

3092
02:54:30,040 --> 02:54:34,160
That's an association.
Any dates of birth around any of

3093
02:54:34,160 --> 02:54:36,440
that information.
Secondary source for that?

3094
02:54:36,600 --> 02:54:39,360
OK, all right.
Your goal in family history is

3095
02:54:39,360 --> 02:54:43,280
to always acquire primary source
of the information because the

3096
02:54:43,640 --> 02:54:47,520
they are more accurate.
It can be noted that their

3097
02:54:47,520 --> 02:54:52,360
primary sources, but some of
them have errors.

3098
02:54:52,720 --> 02:54:55,720
OK, Secondary sources are
documents.

3099
02:54:55,800 --> 02:54:57,720
Well, I guess I should explain
that a little bit.

3100
02:54:58,320 --> 02:55:02,320
They could have errors because
maybe the person that is

3101
02:55:02,320 --> 02:55:05,720
recording that they they know
the date, they know the time of

3102
02:55:05,720 --> 02:55:09,120
death.
Let's just say that, but they're

3103
02:55:09,240 --> 02:55:13,840
estimating the mother's middle
name or maiden name, for

3104
02:55:13,840 --> 02:55:16,680
example.
So that might end up being like

3105
02:55:16,680 --> 02:55:19,920
a secondary source for that and
it might not be 100% accurate.

3106
02:55:20,520 --> 02:55:27,080
OK, so secondary sources are
documents where records are not

3107
02:55:27,080 --> 02:55:29,040
created at the time the event
occurred.

3108
02:55:29,400 --> 02:55:33,280
For example, an old letter, a
book, oral interviews and

3109
02:55:33,280 --> 02:55:37,600
histories, transcriptions or
translations of documents,

3110
02:55:37,960 --> 02:55:41,720
indexes because those are
usually also translated or

3111
02:55:41,720 --> 02:55:46,520
transcribed, and some vital
records where the event is not

3112
02:55:48,240 --> 02:55:51,320
associated with the vital record
that's that's being recorded.

3113
02:55:51,360 --> 02:55:53,520
There.
OK, so I already gave the

3114
02:55:53,520 --> 02:55:58,040
example, the marriage record.
You know, there's also things

3115
02:55:58,040 --> 02:56:00,640
like memory issues that can come
into play, especially with some

3116
02:56:00,640 --> 02:56:05,960
of the secondary information.
Any extract of or transcription

3117
02:56:05,960 --> 02:56:09,240
of a primary source document
automatically becomes a

3118
02:56:09,240 --> 02:56:14,000
secondary source because it was
like I transcribed it on my

3119
02:56:14,000 --> 02:56:16,080
records.
That's a secondary source.

3120
02:56:16,080 --> 02:56:18,840
It's not the real document.
And I could have had a spelling

3121
02:56:18,840 --> 02:56:22,800
error or maybe I wrote the name
wrong or, and then maybe like

3122
02:56:22,800 --> 02:56:26,440
maybe it was Mary, but I wrote
it with an I or the way I wrote

3123
02:56:26,440 --> 02:56:28,600
it look like the why.
So they spell it wrong.

3124
02:56:28,600 --> 02:56:30,440
You know, I mean, there's all
kinds of things that you can

3125
02:56:30,600 --> 02:56:34,000
that can happen there.
Many documents contain both of

3126
02:56:34,000 --> 02:56:38,760
these, including tombstones.
It's, you know, you got to think

3127
02:56:38,760 --> 02:56:41,760
about it, a tombstone, when the
tombstone is ordered, it's after

3128
02:56:41,760 --> 02:56:45,000
death occurred.
And it could be a week, it could

3129
02:56:45,000 --> 02:56:48,360
be two years later.
Right, right.

3130
02:56:48,360 --> 02:56:51,840
Depending.
OK, so, you know, really pay

3131
02:56:51,840 --> 02:56:54,280
attention to what your primary
and secondary sources are.

3132
02:56:54,600 --> 02:56:57,200
And I think that this can kind
of be a little dry and I have a

3133
02:56:57,200 --> 02:57:00,280
ton of information on this, but
I just want you to remember that

3134
02:57:00,280 --> 02:57:03,160
primary source is defined by the
information that you're looking

3135
02:57:03,160 --> 02:57:05,640
for.
A census record is a great

3136
02:57:05,640 --> 02:57:09,400
primary source for the place of
residence of a person or an

3137
02:57:09,400 --> 02:57:12,480
occupation of a person on a
specific date and time.

3138
02:57:12,480 --> 02:57:16,400
But it's a secondary source for
something like a birth date or

3139
02:57:16,400 --> 02:57:21,200
an age, OK?
In in absence of a primary

3140
02:57:21,200 --> 02:57:23,840
record for a specific piece of
information that you're looking

3141
02:57:23,840 --> 02:57:27,160
for, you would need to have
several secondary sources to

3142
02:57:27,160 --> 02:57:33,240
back it up OK In order to follow
genealogical proof standards,

3143
02:57:34,520 --> 02:57:37,800
OK.
Now, let let me ask you this,

3144
02:57:37,800 --> 02:57:41,560
right?
Because I am a big guy in I'm a

3145
02:57:41,560 --> 02:57:43,280
big, let me rephrase that.
I am a big guy.

3146
02:57:43,280 --> 02:57:53,320
I'm, I'm horribly overweight,
but I'm a big believer in that

3147
02:57:53,320 --> 02:57:56,120
it's, it's always function over
form, right?

3148
02:57:57,520 --> 02:58:00,840
Yep.
So at some point, while, while

3149
02:58:00,840 --> 02:58:03,720
certainly the ideal and I think
it's something that we should

3150
02:58:03,720 --> 02:58:08,520
strive for is to meet those
those genealogical society

3151
02:58:08,520 --> 02:58:12,680
standards, we are dealing with
something a little bit different

3152
02:58:12,680 --> 02:58:15,280
here than than just tracking
down relatives, right?

3153
02:58:15,280 --> 02:58:18,880
So as we've talked before,
Revelation's going to have to be

3154
02:58:18,880 --> 02:58:22,840
a huge part of this where it's
not going to be for just a pure

3155
02:58:22,840 --> 02:58:24,760
genealogist, right?
Correct.

3156
02:58:25,440 --> 02:58:27,160
OK.
Correct.

3157
02:58:27,200 --> 02:58:29,360
And you know you're going to
know and like you said,

3158
02:58:29,360 --> 02:58:31,640
revelation, you're going to know
in your heart when you have

3159
02:58:31,640 --> 02:58:35,480
enough information to feel
confident that this person is

3160
02:58:35,480 --> 02:58:38,400
the living person that you can
take and do their ordinance work

3161
02:58:38,400 --> 02:58:41,040
for them.
You don't have to have one of

3162
02:58:41,040 --> 02:58:43,120
everything that's on the screen.
Right.

3163
02:58:43,880 --> 02:58:46,400
You know, you don't even under
vital records, there's four

3164
02:58:46,400 --> 02:58:50,360
categories.
Having one of those to show that

3165
02:58:50,360 --> 02:58:56,720
they are alive and or were alive
at one point in time is probably

3166
02:58:56,720 --> 02:59:00,200
good enough for taking a name
through the temple and saying

3167
02:59:00,200 --> 02:59:01,920
that they did live on this
earth.

3168
02:59:02,640 --> 02:59:05,800
But just remember, no matter
where you obtain the information

3169
02:59:05,800 --> 02:59:09,400
from, document your source
because if there's ever a doubt,

3170
02:59:09,680 --> 02:59:12,640
you can go back to that.
So, and I'm going to give an

3171
02:59:12,640 --> 02:59:15,480
example for, you know, temple
ordinance work.

3172
02:59:15,720 --> 02:59:18,920
Had somebody come to me, turn in
a name, said yes, I know they

3173
02:59:18,920 --> 02:59:20,560
were alive.
This is good.

3174
02:59:20,880 --> 02:59:24,560
It's OK.
And did did the work.

3175
02:59:25,720 --> 02:59:28,000
I came back three or four years
later saying I was doing some

3176
02:59:28,000 --> 02:59:30,120
research on this family for
someone else.

3177
02:59:31,240 --> 02:59:33,880
I found this information.
I'm not sure I got the name

3178
02:59:33,880 --> 02:59:36,600
right.
What did we do?

3179
02:59:40,520 --> 02:59:46,360
So maybe the name was recorded
as Peggy, but it's Margaret.

3180
02:59:47,520 --> 02:59:51,120
Oh, gotcha.
And so then they find that out.

3181
02:59:51,120 --> 02:59:53,240
Now let me ask you, and I'm not
going to give you an answer here

3182
02:59:53,240 --> 02:59:55,680
because I just want to say this
for you guys to think about.

3183
02:59:57,800 --> 03:00:02,240
What do you do with the temple
when you make your covenants?

3184
03:00:03,680 --> 03:00:06,000
What names are important?
Right.

3185
03:00:06,560 --> 03:00:10,360
And how do you decide?
And I'm going to say revelation.

3186
03:00:10,360 --> 03:00:11,560
This is the only answer I'm
going to give you.

3187
03:00:11,680 --> 03:00:14,360
Revelation is key.
How do you decide when you have

3188
03:00:14,360 --> 03:00:19,120
to redo it again or not?
What if you had Margaret, Peggy

3189
03:00:19,200 --> 03:00:23,840
in quotes and then a last name
and you found out that it was

3190
03:00:24,240 --> 03:00:29,680
Margaret and she went by Peggy
but the last name was wrong?

3191
03:00:30,760 --> 03:00:33,920
Do you go back and redo
everything or is it OK?

3192
03:00:34,120 --> 03:00:37,000
What do you covenant with what
name?

3193
03:00:37,680 --> 03:00:42,000
So just keep that as a check for
you also, but go back.

3194
03:00:42,240 --> 03:00:44,560
If you have kept these records,
you need to know if you're

3195
03:00:44,560 --> 03:00:49,320
turning them in for temple work,
you should have enough

3196
03:00:49,320 --> 03:00:52,200
information to know that they
were alive and that that was

3197
03:00:52,200 --> 03:00:54,800
what you knew at the time.
And even if there's a plus sign

3198
03:00:54,800 --> 03:00:58,080
there, like we said earlier,
doesn't negate the ability to go

3199
03:00:58,360 --> 03:01:02,880
and do the work.
But think about at least getting

3200
03:01:03,840 --> 03:01:07,760
the exact you needed only where
they lived on this earth, right?

3201
03:01:08,120 --> 03:01:13,720
You know, they're your family
and and and I say that because,

3202
03:01:13,960 --> 03:01:16,800
yeah, OK, I can go do anybody's
work in the LDS church right

3203
03:01:16,800 --> 03:01:20,600
now, but I'm not going to dog on
them, just so you know.

3204
03:01:21,040 --> 03:01:24,280
But in the LDS Church right now,
you I can show up and I don't

3205
03:01:24,280 --> 03:01:26,040
have to do my own name.
I can do anybody's name.

3206
03:01:28,680 --> 03:01:34,400
You had said earlier, I have all
these names and even if my son

3207
03:01:34,400 --> 03:01:36,880
comes and helps, I'm not getting
them done in this lifetime.

3208
03:01:37,160 --> 03:01:40,920
Why do you want to take that
time to go help and do somebody

3209
03:01:40,920 --> 03:01:43,040
else's names when you have so
many yourself?

3210
03:01:43,040 --> 03:01:45,880
Yep, Yep.
So keep that in mind.

3211
03:01:46,360 --> 03:01:48,280
And that's why I say it's your
family.

3212
03:01:48,760 --> 03:01:59,000
And then you know what part of
them it is required to make that

3213
03:01:59,000 --> 03:02:03,280
covenant commitment and to what,
what information do I need to

3214
03:02:03,280 --> 03:02:10,360
know to have them sealed as a
couple or as a family, plural or

3215
03:02:10,360 --> 03:02:13,440
singular?
What do I need to know?

3216
03:02:15,120 --> 03:02:18,280
And that's the bare minimum that
you need to turn names in and

3217
03:02:18,280 --> 03:02:23,560
process them for entering the
temple, but have backup that

3218
03:02:23,560 --> 03:02:26,840
they existed as a person.
Absolutely, absolutely.

3219
03:02:26,880 --> 03:02:28,600
Yep, Yep.
Good stuff.

3220
03:02:29,120 --> 03:02:32,600
OK, I'm going to move on.
Here's an example of a second, a

3221
03:02:32,600 --> 03:02:34,880
primary and secondary source
record.

3222
03:02:35,360 --> 03:02:37,680
This is a death certificate.
It's a vital record.

3223
03:02:37,880 --> 03:02:41,520
It is a primary source document
on here.

3224
03:02:41,760 --> 03:02:45,400
George Harris's name is right
there, his full name, it says

3225
03:02:45,400 --> 03:02:47,640
where he was living at the time
of his death.

3226
03:02:47,640 --> 03:02:52,160
So that counts as a locational
source record for that

3227
03:02:52,160 --> 03:02:58,360
information over on Oh, I lost
my thing again, but I can get

3228
03:02:58,360 --> 03:03:02,200
that back.
So over here it has date of

3229
03:03:02,200 --> 03:03:06,320
death.
This is when he died, OK, And

3230
03:03:06,320 --> 03:03:09,360
it's certified by an attending
physician.

3231
03:03:09,400 --> 03:03:12,000
There's more information below
here that didn't get captured.

3232
03:03:12,480 --> 03:03:15,320
OK, so this is primary
information.

3233
03:03:15,560 --> 03:03:18,800
This is primary information and
so is this right?

3234
03:03:18,920 --> 03:03:21,200
All of this is primary
information happened at the time

3235
03:03:21,200 --> 03:03:25,840
of death.
This also male, white married at

3236
03:03:25,840 --> 03:03:27,400
the time of death, he was
married.

3237
03:03:27,920 --> 03:03:33,240
This becomes secondary
information because for Martha,

3238
03:03:33,680 --> 03:03:36,000
primary information that he was
married to Martha.

3239
03:03:36,200 --> 03:03:40,800
Secondary information for Martha
because it has her date of birth

3240
03:03:41,040 --> 03:03:42,760
and how old she was.
Right.

3241
03:03:44,120 --> 03:03:48,400
Clay So pay attention to those
kinds of things when you're

3242
03:03:48,400 --> 03:03:52,920
looking at these vital records.
So vital records.

3243
03:03:53,640 --> 03:03:58,400
Oh, I didn't bold everything
here, sorry, but we've already

3244
03:03:58,400 --> 03:03:59,600
kind of went over some of this
stuff.

3245
03:03:59,600 --> 03:04:02,320
We need to make sure that it's
you've got completeness of your

3246
03:04:02,320 --> 03:04:06,160
record, reliabilitiness of your
record and availability of

3247
03:04:06,160 --> 03:04:08,760
getting a hold of a copy of this
that you've made either

3248
03:04:08,760 --> 03:04:13,120
electronically saved, printed
off or you've wrote a secondary,

3249
03:04:13,400 --> 03:04:16,040
you know, transcribed a
secondary version of there.

3250
03:04:16,040 --> 03:04:19,400
As you begin your research with
vital records, it is important

3251
03:04:19,400 --> 03:04:23,200
to realize early in the days of
registration, not all births

3252
03:04:23,200 --> 03:04:24,760
were recorded.
Right.

3253
03:04:25,320 --> 03:04:28,560
And I'm going to, I'll go out on
a limb here, and I'm going to

3254
03:04:28,560 --> 03:04:32,160
say in the world of
fundamentalists, not all births.

3255
03:04:32,520 --> 03:04:34,600
Right.
Yep, there's a lot of

3256
03:04:34,600 --> 03:04:36,920
underground stuff still going on
today.

3257
03:04:37,200 --> 03:04:40,360
Yep.
And So what is your source

3258
03:04:40,360 --> 03:04:42,600
document?
Absolutely.

3259
03:04:43,200 --> 03:04:49,480
And if you want to, you know, go
to Cancun, you've got to have

3260
03:04:49,480 --> 03:04:51,760
this kind of stuff in order to
get a passport.

3261
03:04:52,360 --> 03:04:54,600
And so you have to start
thinking about some of these

3262
03:04:54,600 --> 03:04:56,240
things.
I've helped many of

3263
03:04:56,240 --> 03:05:00,560
fundamentalists trace out vital
records just so they could get a

3264
03:05:00,560 --> 03:05:02,960
passport or a job.
Right.

3265
03:05:03,760 --> 03:05:06,280
So it's not just for genealogy
work.

3266
03:05:06,680 --> 03:05:09,320
Nope.
So, you know, think about some

3267
03:05:09,320 --> 03:05:11,840
of these things that depend on
the time and the place.

3268
03:05:12,120 --> 03:05:14,520
We're the births, we're the
marriages, we're the deaths

3269
03:05:14,840 --> 03:05:17,960
recorded.
Did when did the country start

3270
03:05:17,960 --> 03:05:20,960
requiring licenses?
So.

3271
03:05:21,080 --> 03:05:23,080
You think about some of those
things, you're not always going

3272
03:05:23,080 --> 03:05:24,760
to find the same things you have
available today.

3273
03:05:24,760 --> 03:05:27,560
You're not going to find 203
hundred years ago.

3274
03:05:28,120 --> 03:05:30,080
Birth records tells about the
birth.

3275
03:05:30,880 --> 03:05:33,360
Basically it says here on the
screen, marriage records,

3276
03:05:33,360 --> 03:05:36,360
there's marriage licenses,
marriage registers, marriage

3277
03:05:36,360 --> 03:05:40,200
certificates, and the
information that that record

3278
03:05:40,200 --> 03:05:44,720
contains varies by location and
what era and time frame you

3279
03:05:44,720 --> 03:05:48,800
know, And they are a primary
source record because they're

3280
03:05:48,800 --> 03:05:51,920
completed at the time or close
to the time of the marriage.

3281
03:05:52,400 --> 03:05:57,640
But a license itself is not
evidence enough that a marriage

3282
03:05:57,640 --> 03:05:59,080
happened.
Right.

3283
03:05:59,360 --> 03:06:03,040
And marriage certificate is
because I can go get a license

3284
03:06:03,320 --> 03:06:05,880
and then I can get cold feet and
not get married.

3285
03:06:06,360 --> 03:06:08,440
Yes, good point.
Yep.

3286
03:06:09,160 --> 03:06:12,320
So if you just 'cause you have a
license, dig a little farther.

3287
03:06:12,440 --> 03:06:14,480
If you have nothing else and
you're looking at marriage

3288
03:06:14,480 --> 03:06:18,600
records for a vital record,
stick with that and look further

3289
03:06:18,600 --> 03:06:22,400
down the line.
Marriage records contain a lot

3290
03:06:22,400 --> 03:06:25,440
of secondary information like I
mentioned before, But one

3291
03:06:25,440 --> 03:06:28,640
important thing to consider when
researching in marriage records

3292
03:06:28,920 --> 03:06:32,280
is about that licensing.
Keep that in mind.

3293
03:06:32,680 --> 03:06:35,560
Death records their primary
source records because they're

3294
03:06:35,560 --> 03:06:39,160
completed at the time of death
or close to it by someone who is

3295
03:06:39,160 --> 03:06:43,200
present at the death like or or
someone who's certified the

3296
03:06:43,200 --> 03:06:45,320
death like a doctor.
Right.

3297
03:06:45,920 --> 03:06:49,120
OK.
And so make sure that, you know,

3298
03:06:49,240 --> 03:06:51,240
you know, my mom passed away at
home.

3299
03:06:51,600 --> 03:06:54,160
I looked at the clock.
I knew I was holding her hand.

3300
03:06:54,600 --> 03:06:57,280
I knew what time it was.
And I told the coroner when he

3301
03:06:57,280 --> 03:07:00,880
showed up and, you know, they
called me back later and said,

3302
03:07:01,480 --> 03:07:03,640
well, not the coroner's office,
but I think it was the Funeral

3303
03:07:03,640 --> 03:07:05,760
Home or whatever said here's
what the coroner said the time

3304
03:07:05,760 --> 03:07:11,680
of death was.
It was it was one minute after I

3305
03:07:11,680 --> 03:07:13,800
had told him when she died.
Right.

3306
03:07:14,600 --> 03:07:17,200
He did his own research, but
that's what's recorded.

3307
03:07:17,720 --> 03:07:20,320
OK.
So the validity of the

3308
03:07:20,320 --> 03:07:22,360
information on the death
certificates though, can be a

3309
03:07:22,360 --> 03:07:25,400
little bit tricky because of the
other information like I pointed

3310
03:07:25,400 --> 03:07:28,760
out on the other death
certificate I showed a couple

3311
03:07:28,760 --> 03:07:30,840
minutes ago.
But there are other records that

3312
03:07:30,840 --> 03:07:33,760
are considered vital records
like divorce records and that

3313
03:07:33,760 --> 03:07:36,040
I'll cover in the handouts that
you can have.

3314
03:07:36,440 --> 03:07:40,720
OK, obtaining vital records,
there's some things you need to

3315
03:07:40,720 --> 03:07:43,160
know about going and obtaining
these records.

3316
03:07:43,160 --> 03:07:45,960
When you're searching for birth,
marriage, death, divorce

3317
03:07:45,960 --> 03:07:49,480
records, you need to start with
the most recent ancestors.

3318
03:07:49,600 --> 03:07:53,560
OK, so like let's say that
besides temple work, you decide

3319
03:07:53,560 --> 03:07:56,680
you really like the stuff and
you want to be a part of the

3320
03:07:56,680 --> 03:08:00,560
Mayflower Association, you're
going to have to obtain certain

3321
03:08:00,560 --> 03:08:03,960
vital records to prove that your
ancestor's back.

3322
03:08:03,960 --> 03:08:08,560
You have to link into the last
known proof with these same

3323
03:08:08,640 --> 03:08:10,880
types of vital records to know
that it's true.

3324
03:08:11,200 --> 03:08:15,440
OK, so vital records you know
will include little Nuggets of

3325
03:08:15,440 --> 03:08:18,760
truth that will help collaborate
your work and lead you in

3326
03:08:18,760 --> 03:08:22,040
various directions.
It might be tempting to start

3327
03:08:22,400 --> 03:08:24,760
with a vital record at the
beginning, like a birth, but

3328
03:08:24,760 --> 03:08:27,840
really you should start with a
death record because that's the

3329
03:08:27,840 --> 03:08:30,720
closest event to you.
That makes sense.

3330
03:08:30,800 --> 03:08:34,400
Yep, that makes sense.
And especially, you know, with

3331
03:08:34,520 --> 03:08:38,560
birth records are protected by
laws in many areas, many

3332
03:08:38,560 --> 03:08:42,440
countries and obtaining them,
you know, it might be more

3333
03:08:42,440 --> 03:08:45,360
stringent of, of, you know,
hoops you have to jump through

3334
03:08:45,360 --> 03:08:48,760
to get them.
And that's for a variety of

3335
03:08:48,760 --> 03:08:52,480
reasons, you know, illegitimacy,
adoptions, closed or open, you

3336
03:08:52,480 --> 03:08:55,520
know, misused by criminals for
fraudulent, you know,

3337
03:08:55,800 --> 03:08:59,840
identification, maybe misused by
criminals too, you know, vote

3338
03:09:00,840 --> 03:09:04,440
right, we can't do that.
Or, you know, just all kinds of

3339
03:09:04,440 --> 03:09:06,040
things.
Or go get a job.

3340
03:09:06,720 --> 03:09:09,040
Right.
You know, maybe all of a sudden,

3341
03:09:09,040 --> 03:09:12,240
you know, the you're getting
told that you're married to an

3342
03:09:12,240 --> 03:09:14,800
extra person legally than you
thought you were married to

3343
03:09:15,040 --> 03:09:18,320
because somebody obtained your
identity and stole it and did

3344
03:09:18,320 --> 03:09:20,040
all these things.
Or you own a home in another

3345
03:09:20,040 --> 03:09:24,360
state because they obtained your
identity and now they skipped

3346
03:09:24,360 --> 03:09:26,360
out and you're held liable
because it's in your name.

3347
03:09:26,640 --> 03:09:29,640
It's important to have all of
this stuff under control.

3348
03:09:29,840 --> 03:09:31,960
So and all of those things are
things that have happened.

3349
03:09:32,680 --> 03:09:34,600
Yeah.
So there's a time period for

3350
03:09:34,600 --> 03:09:37,360
restriction, which can be as
little as ten years after a date

3351
03:09:37,560 --> 03:09:39,680
or as long as 120 years after a
date.

3352
03:09:39,920 --> 03:09:43,840
Some governments will allow
access earlier to birth records

3353
03:09:43,840 --> 03:09:47,160
if your request is accompanied
with a copy of a death

3354
03:09:47,160 --> 03:09:49,360
certificate to prove that they
are deceased.

3355
03:09:49,960 --> 03:09:53,160
In some locations, a signed
declaration may be notarized or

3356
03:09:53,160 --> 03:09:56,520
something from a family member
is proof enough, and in others

3357
03:09:56,520 --> 03:10:00,040
they're going to require a photo
ID and you have to be 1 of the

3358
03:10:00,040 --> 03:10:03,440
nearest one of the nearest
living relatives in order to get

3359
03:10:03,440 --> 03:10:05,880
something in the last say even
40 years.

3360
03:10:06,240 --> 03:10:08,920
In some locations in France,
they require complete

3361
03:10:08,920 --> 03:10:13,960
documentation, birth, marriage,
death certificates, proving that

3362
03:10:13,960 --> 03:10:17,400
you're a descendant from the
individual you want to get a

3363
03:10:17,400 --> 03:10:19,600
copy of, a record of.
So you have to, like I said with

3364
03:10:19,600 --> 03:10:21,880
the Mayfire, you have to provide
all of it back.

3365
03:10:22,520 --> 03:10:24,880
And that's in France.
Yeah, that's in France.

3366
03:10:24,960 --> 03:10:27,920
Makes sense, the Germans always
did want that information.

3367
03:10:29,960 --> 03:10:32,080
Sorry.
Sorry to anyone listening in

3368
03:10:32,080 --> 03:10:36,960
France.
OK, obtaining vital records

3369
03:10:36,960 --> 03:10:40,280
though, here's a tip.
Be sure to note when you obtain,

3370
03:10:40,280 --> 03:10:42,440
when you're in your request,
whether you're there in person

3371
03:10:42,440 --> 03:10:44,640
or you're doing this online,
that you want the long form.

3372
03:10:45,240 --> 03:10:51,280
That is a full photocopy or a
full new print out of the record

3373
03:10:51,280 --> 03:10:53,720
versus the short form.
Short form is usually a

3374
03:10:53,720 --> 03:10:58,040
transcription of the original
record and isn't always counted

3375
03:10:58,040 --> 03:11:01,760
as a primary source because it's
a transcription.

3376
03:11:02,040 --> 03:11:03,400
And you can do a lot of this
online.

3377
03:11:03,400 --> 03:11:06,600
You don't have to drive around
to or fly over to other places

3378
03:11:06,760 --> 03:11:08,720
to go get these.
A lot of these you can do

3379
03:11:08,720 --> 03:11:10,680
online.
And this is just one way that

3380
03:11:10,680 --> 03:11:11,920
you can do it is with vital
checks.

3381
03:11:11,920 --> 03:11:14,520
There's others.
I've just given you a resource

3382
03:11:14,520 --> 03:11:18,360
there so you know, but these
days it's really easy just to go

3383
03:11:18,360 --> 03:11:20,800
on and get it.
There's a fee and you will have

3384
03:11:20,800 --> 03:11:23,600
to upload some of your
documentation into their system

3385
03:11:23,600 --> 03:11:25,720
to get it.
Some of them you can set up an

3386
03:11:25,720 --> 03:11:28,120
account so if you go back and
use the same service over and

3387
03:11:28,120 --> 03:11:30,800
over again, you don't have to
upload all that stuff unless

3388
03:11:30,800 --> 03:11:33,080
maybe your driver's license
expired or something.

3389
03:11:33,840 --> 03:11:36,520
OK, research logs.
I've used this term a lot.

3390
03:11:36,880 --> 03:11:40,240
Again, very important to keep
track of your stuff so that you

3391
03:11:40,240 --> 03:11:42,760
don't, you know, yield things
that are not of value.

3392
03:11:43,040 --> 03:11:48,400
A research log can be, oh, a
calendar, it can be a notebook,

3393
03:11:48,400 --> 03:11:51,160
it can be all kinds of things,
but you're going to log your

3394
03:11:51,160 --> 03:11:56,200
information by surname, by
individual, by geographical area

3395
03:11:56,680 --> 03:11:59,000
or whatever organization method
that you want.

3396
03:11:59,040 --> 03:12:02,280
These are just some tips on how
you can do that so that you can

3397
03:12:02,280 --> 03:12:03,800
have different things.
You can color code it.

3398
03:12:03,840 --> 03:12:05,760
You know, you've been in
doctor's offices and they have

3399
03:12:05,760 --> 03:12:07,600
all these tabs on the side of
your records.

3400
03:12:07,960 --> 03:12:11,280
You know when they when they
printed them out anyway back in

3401
03:12:11,280 --> 03:12:13,920
the day and they have color
codes and stuff.

3402
03:12:14,880 --> 03:12:16,840
It's so that they can find your
records easy.

3403
03:12:17,120 --> 03:12:18,960
You want to be able to do
something similar with the

3404
03:12:18,960 --> 03:12:20,200
research log.
OK.

3405
03:12:20,640 --> 03:12:25,240
OK, so you know you a lot of
genealogists go and buy those

3406
03:12:25,240 --> 03:12:27,920
old tabs and stuff.
I don't know if you still can to

3407
03:12:27,920 --> 03:12:31,080
put on their records, You know,
some of them just use

3408
03:12:31,080 --> 03:12:34,400
color-coded sticky notes or
color-coded paper that they

3409
03:12:34,400 --> 03:12:37,240
print certain families on blue
and certain families on white

3410
03:12:37,240 --> 03:12:39,680
and certain families on yellow,
stuff like that.

3411
03:12:39,880 --> 03:12:43,320
You got to decide which method
that you need to use the most.

3412
03:12:43,560 --> 03:12:46,760
But at the top of it, you should
have the surname, the

3413
03:12:46,760 --> 03:12:52,320
individual's name at what area
somewhere noted in on there in

3414
03:12:52,320 --> 03:12:55,840
your log.
So I'm going to give me a couple

3415
03:12:55,840 --> 03:12:59,680
of examples here.
So calendars are also great for

3416
03:12:59,680 --> 03:13:01,400
research.
You know, whether it's the

3417
03:13:01,400 --> 03:13:04,640
calendar on your phone and you
keep track of it or it's the one

3418
03:13:04,640 --> 03:13:08,200
on your wall, or you go back and
pull out your old day planner

3419
03:13:08,200 --> 03:13:13,280
from 1996, I don't know.
But research logs and forms are

3420
03:13:13,280 --> 03:13:16,840
also a variety.
It can be a notebook and you can

3421
03:13:16,840 --> 03:13:20,720
just put tabs for sections in
there, you know, or you can use

3422
03:13:20,800 --> 03:13:22,800
a, a log that you can get
online.

3423
03:13:22,800 --> 03:13:24,360
There's correspondence logs
also.

3424
03:13:24,360 --> 03:13:28,760
So for if you send a letter,
because some places you have to

3425
03:13:28,760 --> 03:13:31,760
certify, send a certified letter
to request information.

3426
03:13:31,960 --> 03:13:34,320
If you send a letter, you should
note that on a correspondence

3427
03:13:34,320 --> 03:13:36,200
log that On this date and time I
sent it.

3428
03:13:36,560 --> 03:13:40,280
And you know, I even put like
tracking information in there in

3429
03:13:40,280 --> 03:13:42,360
case they say they don't have it
right.

3430
03:13:42,680 --> 03:13:45,000
Smart.
If I'm really needing that

3431
03:13:45,000 --> 03:13:47,520
record for whatever reason,
that's when I'll go and do that

3432
03:13:47,520 --> 03:13:49,880
kind of a thing.
So just keep track of all of

3433
03:13:49,880 --> 03:13:53,760
your information.
Make notes in here of, you know,

3434
03:13:53,760 --> 03:13:56,960
whether the results are negative
or positive, make your notes and

3435
03:13:56,960 --> 03:14:01,320
say, you know, yielded the
following information or you

3436
03:14:01,320 --> 03:14:05,000
know, did end whatever.
Track it over time and you're

3437
03:14:05,000 --> 03:14:06,480
going to get better at doing
this.

3438
03:14:07,240 --> 03:14:09,280
Gotcha.
So attaching records to your

3439
03:14:09,280 --> 03:14:11,400
notes is also going to be very
helpful.

3440
03:14:11,640 --> 03:14:14,560
So at the beginning of this, I
had said, you know, on the back

3441
03:14:14,560 --> 03:14:18,040
of my pedigree chart or my
family group sheet, I'll write

3442
03:14:18,040 --> 03:14:20,880
notes on the backsides of those
on my paper copies.

3443
03:14:21,120 --> 03:14:24,880
Sometimes, you know, additional
children, additional wives, you

3444
03:14:24,880 --> 03:14:29,680
know, or where I have their
record, their vital records or

3445
03:14:29,680 --> 03:14:33,240
whatever, you know, log numbers.
I keep track of all of that.

3446
03:14:33,520 --> 03:14:37,000
Collect all the records you can
about a person in that family

3447
03:14:37,000 --> 03:14:40,240
unit before moving on to the
next generation, just as a

3448
03:14:40,240 --> 03:14:44,520
reminder, and record information
on your ancestors in

3449
03:14:44,520 --> 03:14:48,440
chronological order.
And then, you know, the fun part

3450
03:14:48,440 --> 03:14:50,560
is the stories that you learn
along the way.

3451
03:14:50,840 --> 03:14:54,440
Our ancestor stories are
extremely fascinating.

3452
03:14:54,560 --> 03:14:56,000
The things that they've gone
through.

3453
03:14:56,240 --> 03:14:59,960
They can help us in our lives as
we get to know them better.

3454
03:15:00,320 --> 03:15:05,800
You know, while it's not
necessarily, you know, what we

3455
03:15:05,800 --> 03:15:09,560
need to do for families to go
and do endowments in the temple,

3456
03:15:09,760 --> 03:15:11,760
it's a lot of fun.
Well.

3457
03:15:13,000 --> 03:15:15,720
It's a way that you get to learn
more about yourself, right?

3458
03:15:18,680 --> 03:15:22,080
Often I've wondered, you know,
where do I get my propensity for

3459
03:15:22,160 --> 03:15:26,360
smoked meats and short bursts of
anger, right?

3460
03:15:26,360 --> 03:15:28,560
Like where, where does that come
from?

3461
03:15:29,760 --> 03:15:34,880
And, and knowing that is huge.
The other thing I would say is

3462
03:15:34,880 --> 03:15:41,840
that I firmly believe that
getting to a point to where we

3463
03:15:41,840 --> 03:15:44,680
grow closer to God and becoming
more like God is both an

3464
03:15:44,680 --> 03:15:46,800
individual and family matter,
right?

3465
03:15:47,360 --> 03:15:50,880
And some families seem to have
mine included.

3466
03:15:50,880 --> 03:15:54,640
I think all families have some
some of this deficiencies,

3467
03:15:54,800 --> 03:15:56,560
right?
And if you want to break

3468
03:15:56,560 --> 03:16:01,400
generational curses, as it were,
you have to understand where

3469
03:16:01,400 --> 03:16:05,880
those come from, right?
And it's your job in this mortal

3470
03:16:05,880 --> 03:16:08,680
sphere for the time you have
here to advance the football

3471
03:16:08,680 --> 03:16:13,240
down the field closer to a more
Christ like way.

3472
03:16:13,240 --> 03:16:17,080
And you have to be able to go
back and review and and see

3473
03:16:17,080 --> 03:16:19,840
where where that comes from and
learn how to root that out.

3474
03:16:20,600 --> 03:16:23,400
Yeah, for sure.
But I'm going to take this to a

3475
03:16:23,560 --> 03:16:25,880
a fundamentalist point of view
here a little bit too.

3476
03:16:26,240 --> 03:16:31,240
You know, going back to say,
Brigham Young coming across the

3477
03:16:31,240 --> 03:16:33,960
plains kind of thing.
We wouldn't have all those

3478
03:16:33,960 --> 03:16:38,040
stories if people didn't keep
records, if they didn't have

3479
03:16:38,040 --> 03:16:41,080
their journal entries.
You know, if Wilford Woodruff

3480
03:16:41,080 --> 03:16:45,240
did not write as much as he
wrote, we would not have half

3481
03:16:45,240 --> 03:16:47,640
the doctrinal things that we
have or proof that those

3482
03:16:47,640 --> 03:16:52,000
doctrinal things existed when
the naysayers come along, you

3483
03:16:52,000 --> 03:16:56,400
know, or proof that not just
naysayers, but inflated stories

3484
03:16:56,400 --> 03:16:59,560
come along to prove that this
was here.

3485
03:16:59,960 --> 03:17:04,320
And, you know, but this is how
we have these stories of faith

3486
03:17:04,320 --> 03:17:07,840
that have courage to face things
or even good scandals.

3487
03:17:08,320 --> 03:17:09,600
Yes, we didn't have a good
scandal.

3488
03:17:09,840 --> 03:17:12,480
Those are great stories to save
for Thanksgiving when

3489
03:17:12,480 --> 03:17:16,440
everybody's there.
Good scandal story is amazing at

3490
03:17:16,440 --> 03:17:19,560
Thanksgiving.
So not only getting to know them

3491
03:17:19,560 --> 03:17:21,440
for you, bringing them to life
for you.

3492
03:17:21,880 --> 03:17:25,640
And it helps you recognize them.
Like if they're in the temple or

3493
03:17:25,640 --> 03:17:27,800
they're in your home, they're
around us.

3494
03:17:28,440 --> 03:17:32,480
But it's going to teach history
for us, for ourselves, for our

3495
03:17:32,480 --> 03:17:36,120
children as we share that and we
pass that information along, but

3496
03:17:36,120 --> 03:17:37,320
think about it in a different
way.

3497
03:17:37,320 --> 03:17:40,960
Also fundamentalist.
We're notorious for not wanting

3498
03:17:40,960 --> 03:17:44,040
to track records because why?
We don't want any proof.

3499
03:17:44,400 --> 03:17:47,080
Right.
So that nobody has to go to jail

3500
03:17:47,760 --> 03:17:50,440
or whatever else might happen,
right?

3501
03:17:50,920 --> 03:17:53,440
Yep.
But we lose so much in that

3502
03:17:53,440 --> 03:17:56,360
process.
We lose so very much.

3503
03:17:56,880 --> 03:18:02,120
What if you're, you know, I
mean, if you or your spouse has

3504
03:18:02,120 --> 03:18:07,520
this amazing story that is very
uplifting.

3505
03:18:08,400 --> 03:18:11,960
If you don't record it, at least
share it verbally and pass it

3506
03:18:11,960 --> 03:18:13,880
down through the next
generation.

3507
03:18:14,320 --> 03:18:19,440
The Navajos have a great ability
to pass that verbal history

3508
03:18:19,760 --> 03:18:21,680
down.
And I think we could learn

3509
03:18:21,680 --> 03:18:23,600
something from that.
If we don't want to write it

3510
03:18:23,600 --> 03:18:27,280
down, at least get better at
verbally passing along the

3511
03:18:27,280 --> 03:18:32,680
information, you know, and I'm
just going to say a little bit

3512
03:18:32,680 --> 03:18:35,080
of an example here.
What if you find out that your

3513
03:18:35,080 --> 03:18:37,160
great great grandfather had a
certain health problem?

3514
03:18:37,680 --> 03:18:39,960
Right.
You know, and so do you and your

3515
03:18:39,960 --> 03:18:41,440
sibling.
Right.

3516
03:18:42,120 --> 03:18:45,680
You know, and it like
interestingly enough, just a few

3517
03:18:45,680 --> 03:18:52,440
days ago I found out that my
grandfather, no, my, yes, my

3518
03:18:52,440 --> 03:18:53,800
grandfather.
I had to stop and think about

3519
03:18:53,800 --> 03:18:56,440
this for a minute.
My grandfather died of stomach

3520
03:18:56,440 --> 03:19:00,440
cancer.
One of his ten children did

3521
03:19:00,440 --> 03:19:02,560
also.
Interesting.

3522
03:19:03,040 --> 03:19:06,640
I didn't know anybody else
except for my aunt had stomach

3523
03:19:06,640 --> 03:19:09,080
cancer.
There's just little things that

3524
03:19:09,080 --> 03:19:11,880
you're going to find out.
I have another ancestor who was

3525
03:19:11,880 --> 03:19:15,000
a Baptist minister in the early,
early days of the Church

3526
03:19:15,000 --> 03:19:18,320
Kirtland era.
The missionaries came and found

3527
03:19:18,320 --> 03:19:20,440
him in New York.
Wow.

3528
03:19:21,040 --> 03:19:28,440
He liked to drink Earl Grey tea
and we don't drink Earl Grey

3529
03:19:28,440 --> 03:19:29,880
tea.
Word of Wisdom.

3530
03:19:30,520 --> 03:19:31,600
Right.
Right.

3531
03:19:31,640 --> 03:19:37,800
So he drank it though, because
he had a problem with his throat

3532
03:19:38,280 --> 03:19:40,320
and was swallowing.
He got this dry throat thing.

3533
03:19:40,600 --> 03:19:43,000
And I didn't know that until you
start reading the things.

3534
03:19:43,520 --> 03:19:48,680
And if you look at like, say
homeopathic, the way that they

3535
03:19:48,680 --> 03:19:51,840
look at things, a homeopathic
Dr. they they look at things

3536
03:19:51,840 --> 03:19:55,080
over 9 generations.
This is my doctors want to know

3537
03:19:55,080 --> 03:19:58,040
what your medical history is
because there's a propensity for

3538
03:19:58,040 --> 03:20:00,840
it to show up in future
generations.

3539
03:20:01,080 --> 03:20:04,480
And when you find these things
out, you know, it's like, OK, I

3540
03:20:04,480 --> 03:20:06,880
like tea.
I clear my throat a lot.

3541
03:20:06,880 --> 03:20:09,560
I have huge allergies and I'm in
the middle of the desert where a

3542
03:20:09,560 --> 03:20:14,440
lot of them it's not helpful.
I like warm tea, help soothe

3543
03:20:14,440 --> 03:20:16,920
that sometimes.
I have in connection with this

3544
03:20:16,920 --> 03:20:20,200
guy.
You know, maybe for slightly

3545
03:20:20,200 --> 03:20:23,520
different reasons, but you do.
But take time to read these

3546
03:20:23,520 --> 03:20:25,840
documents and unveil the stories
of their lives.

3547
03:20:25,960 --> 03:20:27,480
You know, our lives are like an
onion.

3548
03:20:27,480 --> 03:20:29,920
You can peel back the layers.
All of us are.

3549
03:20:30,280 --> 03:20:32,080
You know, scriptures are that
way.

3550
03:20:32,080 --> 03:20:34,200
And that's why because we're so
layered.

3551
03:20:34,800 --> 03:20:37,240
Attach pictures.
When you can transcribe and

3552
03:20:37,240 --> 03:20:40,720
share these stories with your
young, you know, you're the

3553
03:20:40,720 --> 03:20:43,160
younger generation needs to know
or they are going to be lost.

3554
03:20:43,480 --> 03:20:46,520
But when you record stuff,
record it in that chronological

3555
03:20:46,520 --> 03:20:50,160
order, you know, have fun with
this process.

3556
03:20:50,160 --> 03:20:54,240
One of the things I want to do
to help my mom, she turned 90,

3557
03:20:54,240 --> 03:20:56,720
and the year she turned 90, we
did a big party.

3558
03:20:56,960 --> 03:21:01,040
And the year before that, I
started collecting stories.

3559
03:21:01,040 --> 03:21:02,720
I started having her record
things.

3560
03:21:02,720 --> 03:21:05,480
I would ask her questions just
randomly, and I'd record it on

3561
03:21:05,480 --> 03:21:07,080
my phone.
I'd go transcribe it.

3562
03:21:07,360 --> 03:21:10,080
And I printed them all up and I
laminated them, and I put them

3563
03:21:10,080 --> 03:21:13,360
around on the tables and let the
people read.

3564
03:21:13,360 --> 03:21:15,240
Just different little stories
about her life.

3565
03:21:15,240 --> 03:21:17,160
Like, tell me about when you
were baptized.

3566
03:21:17,160 --> 03:21:21,280
Where did you get baptized, You
know, was it a cold, icy river,

3567
03:21:21,280 --> 03:21:23,320
you know?
Or tell me about when you lived

3568
03:21:23,320 --> 03:21:27,000
up Bicarveston, Alberta, and in
the small little town and when

3569
03:21:27,000 --> 03:21:29,160
the wolves came in.
Because she used to tell me that

3570
03:21:29,160 --> 03:21:32,600
story when she was little.
And I want it recorded, you

3571
03:21:32,600 --> 03:21:33,840
know, just different things like
that.

3572
03:21:33,880 --> 03:21:35,800
Ask your parents how did you
meet?

3573
03:21:36,560 --> 03:21:38,520
Right.
You know, record that

3574
03:21:38,520 --> 03:21:43,320
information.
So here's an example because I'm

3575
03:21:43,320 --> 03:21:45,320
telling you record, record,
record, record.

3576
03:21:45,480 --> 03:21:48,080
What do you record?
Tell me how to do this.

3577
03:21:48,400 --> 03:21:53,800
Here's an example.
You have a year 1661, that is a

3578
03:21:53,800 --> 03:21:57,200
birth date that you found on
some random census record and

3579
03:21:57,200 --> 03:22:01,200
you are unable to locate this
Anthony Coombs, who says on that

3580
03:22:01,680 --> 03:22:05,200
that census record from Nova
Scotia that they were born in

3581
03:22:05,200 --> 03:22:07,720
France.
And you even know that was Port

3582
03:22:07,720 --> 03:22:13,440
Royal, OK.
And that they had, oh, I didn't

3583
03:22:13,520 --> 03:22:15,960
completely put this there, but
they had, I missed something

3584
03:22:15,960 --> 03:22:18,320
when I was typing in.
They have a son with the same

3585
03:22:18,320 --> 03:22:23,640
name born about 6, you know,
1695 there later on.

3586
03:22:24,000 --> 03:22:26,360
So we're looking for this.
Oh, I put on the next line.

3587
03:22:26,600 --> 03:22:28,120
So we're looking for all this
information.

3588
03:22:28,120 --> 03:22:31,160
We have these dates about this
and about that and between this

3589
03:22:31,440 --> 03:22:34,200
date and that date.
Well, you know, let me tell you

3590
03:22:34,200 --> 03:22:37,960
a little bit because later on
this Anthony Coombs shows up as

3591
03:22:37,960 --> 03:22:44,120
Anthony Coombs in Massachusetts.
Still can't find where he was

3592
03:22:44,120 --> 03:22:47,200
born.
I can't find anything.

3593
03:22:48,200 --> 03:22:55,120
Well, come to find out there's
an Antone Cuomo in France and

3594
03:22:55,120 --> 03:22:59,520
there's a Cuomo line and some of
our families went and they did

3595
03:22:59,520 --> 03:23:02,560
this research and they've used
DNA and they tested the oldest

3596
03:23:02,560 --> 03:23:06,960
living son or the oldest living
male person alive in this

3597
03:23:06,960 --> 03:23:10,200
family.
Coombs family, Cuomo family had

3598
03:23:10,200 --> 03:23:14,480
both of those guys tested their
relatives and they both descend

3599
03:23:14,480 --> 03:23:17,520
from the same person.
Found out because of DNA.

3600
03:23:18,000 --> 03:23:22,000
Because of that, I could go and
find records in Port Royal,

3601
03:23:22,000 --> 03:23:29,280
France, that showed Antone Como
was born in 1661 and I was able

3602
03:23:29,280 --> 03:23:33,320
to find out the record that I
needed to prove more of his

3603
03:23:33,320 --> 03:23:35,320
existence.
Interesting.

3604
03:23:35,920 --> 03:23:38,120
Yep.
So that was really cool.

3605
03:23:38,120 --> 03:23:40,960
And it wasn't me who did all
this research, but I needed this

3606
03:23:40,960 --> 03:23:43,800
information for something I was
doing other families in it for

3607
03:23:43,800 --> 03:23:45,760
them.
They found it and I benefited

3608
03:23:45,760 --> 03:23:47,440
from it.
Just like you were saying when

3609
03:23:47,440 --> 03:23:50,240
you went in and you opened up
your tree and boom, somebody

3610
03:23:50,240 --> 03:23:52,400
else did something.
So I was able to benefit from

3611
03:23:52,400 --> 03:23:56,080
that and go and you know, help
them.

3612
03:23:56,440 --> 03:24:00,680
So we need to put all of this
together and to know what we

3613
03:24:00,680 --> 03:24:02,440
really need.
Basically, as we're going

3614
03:24:02,440 --> 03:24:05,560
through this now, putting it
together for having fun and

3615
03:24:05,560 --> 03:24:08,080
doing all this genealogical
stuff that I just talked about

3616
03:24:08,280 --> 03:24:10,040
is great.
It's going to at least help you

3617
03:24:10,040 --> 03:24:12,560
to understand.
But what do you need to know to

3618
03:24:12,560 --> 03:24:15,440
take a name through the temple?
You need their name.

3619
03:24:16,280 --> 03:24:17,680
Right.
They're accurate.

3620
03:24:17,680 --> 03:24:22,400
First and last names possible.
Their spouses names if you want

3621
03:24:22,400 --> 03:24:24,280
to do any ceilings.
Their parents names if you want

3622
03:24:24,280 --> 03:24:26,960
to do any ceilings.
You need to prove that each of

3623
03:24:26,960 --> 03:24:29,160
these people were alive with a
vital record.

3624
03:24:29,160 --> 03:24:34,280
Birth, marriage, death, a
divorce, a christening record if

3625
03:24:34,280 --> 03:24:38,560
it's way back in time, something
like that to help you to know

3626
03:24:38,560 --> 03:24:41,080
for a fact that they were there.
And then you're going to need to

3627
03:24:41,080 --> 03:24:43,000
record this information and keep
track of it.

3628
03:24:43,000 --> 03:24:47,240
I suggest that you make a form
and say, you know, a record of

3629
03:24:47,360 --> 03:24:49,840
here's all the names I've taken
through the temple and when

3630
03:24:49,840 --> 03:24:53,800
they, when I took them through
the temple and use those family

3631
03:24:53,800 --> 03:24:57,080
group sheets that I showed you
at the beginning of all this and

3632
03:24:57,080 --> 03:25:02,640
record the LDS ordinance
information, the fundamentalist

3633
03:25:03,040 --> 03:25:07,000
cross off LDS if you want, but
Fundy, I don't care.

3634
03:25:07,280 --> 03:25:12,800
Record your ordinance work for
each of those individuals on

3635
03:25:12,800 --> 03:25:15,200
that family group sheet that
keeps that all together.

3636
03:25:15,360 --> 03:25:18,800
And it will help you and your
family in the future to really

3637
03:25:19,200 --> 03:25:21,640
know what's going on and where
they need to come in and pick up

3638
03:25:21,640 --> 03:25:25,040
the pieces.
I've helped families where they

3639
03:25:25,040 --> 03:25:29,080
brought me their records, their
parents books, their parents

3640
03:25:29,080 --> 03:25:31,320
died or their parents could no
longer do it.

3641
03:25:31,320 --> 03:25:34,960
And they can't help them because
of their health, circumstance

3642
03:25:36,080 --> 03:25:38,960
and they don't know what to do.
They don't know where to start.

3643
03:25:39,840 --> 03:25:43,760
Review the stuff, go over it.
Teach your kids.

3644
03:25:44,000 --> 03:25:46,280
Even if they're not interested,
keep trying.

3645
03:25:46,600 --> 03:25:48,160
Teach them.
Come back to them in their late

3646
03:25:48,160 --> 03:25:50,880
20s, come back to them in their
30s, come back to them in their

3647
03:25:50,880 --> 03:25:52,600
40s.
Eventually they're going to be

3648
03:25:52,600 --> 03:25:54,880
interested.
Share this with them.

3649
03:25:55,960 --> 03:26:00,800
And for heaven's sakes, when you
have family events, talk about

3650
03:26:00,800 --> 03:26:03,680
your family history.
Share that with your kids.

3651
03:26:03,880 --> 03:26:06,600
Tell stories.
Make it exciting as they're

3652
03:26:06,600 --> 03:26:09,480
learning and growing and growing
up, and they will learn to love

3653
03:26:09,480 --> 03:26:12,960
this as well.
But learn as you go how to do

3654
03:26:12,960 --> 03:26:13,800
this.
There's going to be things

3655
03:26:13,800 --> 03:26:15,320
you're going to find that work
well for you that I've

3656
03:26:15,320 --> 03:26:17,040
suggested.
There's going to be things that

3657
03:26:17,040 --> 03:26:18,400
you're like, yeah, that's not
me.

3658
03:26:19,040 --> 03:26:23,080
Maybe you have ADHD.
I have that in my family and you

3659
03:26:23,080 --> 03:26:25,240
cannot do it this way.
You're going to find a way to do

3660
03:26:25,240 --> 03:26:28,600
it that works for you.
Use your ADHD as a superpower to

3661
03:26:28,600 --> 03:26:30,760
make this work and get your
temple work done.

3662
03:26:31,000 --> 03:26:33,880
That is what this is about.
This is about saying here's a

3663
03:26:33,880 --> 03:26:37,760
method, here's some standards,
here's the way these

3664
03:26:37,760 --> 03:26:39,960
abbreviations work.
Here's records you need to look

3665
03:26:39,960 --> 03:26:41,960
at.
You will find the way that you

3666
03:26:41,960 --> 03:26:45,280
organize your information and
what works for you, but just

3667
03:26:45,280 --> 03:26:49,360
make sure that the next
generation or a sibling or a

3668
03:26:49,360 --> 03:26:51,320
spouse understands what you're
doing.

3669
03:26:52,320 --> 03:26:54,320
Right.
So that they can use that

3670
03:26:54,320 --> 03:26:58,040
information later as well.
Your best resources are your

3671
03:26:58,040 --> 03:27:01,640
oldest living relatives, the
records that you have in your

3672
03:27:01,640 --> 03:27:06,480
home now, public genealogy,
libraries, family, you know,

3673
03:27:06,520 --> 03:27:09,840
history, church history centers,
there's also online learning

3674
03:27:09,840 --> 03:27:11,800
centers.
All of that is going to help you

3675
03:27:11,800 --> 03:27:16,640
find, you know, your ancestors,
but to know how to do it and

3676
03:27:16,640 --> 03:27:19,000
maybe get different
perspectives, there's blog

3677
03:27:19,000 --> 03:27:22,680
posts, there's YouTube channels,
there's all kinds of stuff that

3678
03:27:22,680 --> 03:27:25,120
you can do to find your
ancestry.

3679
03:27:25,320 --> 03:27:29,200
And I hope that this has set you
up well enough that you will be

3680
03:27:29,200 --> 03:27:32,160
able to say that you seek dead
people.

3681
03:27:32,680 --> 03:27:36,680
And in bonus, you'll find some
live cousins, cousins in the end

3682
03:27:36,880 --> 03:27:39,240
and make new connections.
And maybe it's a cousin that

3683
03:27:39,240 --> 03:27:42,120
hasn't learned about the gospel
and you can share the gospel

3684
03:27:42,120 --> 03:27:44,200
with them as well.
Awesome.

3685
03:27:45,000 --> 03:27:48,640
And I so, so appreciate you
coming on and doing this because

3686
03:27:48,640 --> 03:27:52,720
like I said, as a people, by and
large, not all of us, but

3687
03:27:52,720 --> 03:27:54,760
fundamentalists have been
removed from temple work for

3688
03:27:54,760 --> 03:27:58,120
about 100 years and anything
that resembled it and this was

3689
03:27:58,120 --> 03:28:00,520
needed.
And there's a few things I want

3690
03:28:00,520 --> 03:28:02,880
to say and then I'll I'll turn
it over to you for anything else

3691
03:28:02,880 --> 03:28:05,680
you want to finish up with here.
That was the end of your your

3692
03:28:05,680 --> 03:28:07,120
presentation, right?
Yes, Sir.

3693
03:28:07,200 --> 03:28:13,720
OK.
Again, and, and I know I'm

3694
03:28:13,720 --> 03:28:16,160
sounding like I'm beating a dead
horse, but it's for a reason.

3695
03:28:17,120 --> 03:28:22,480
Seasons have changed.
We the excuses are over.

3696
03:28:23,240 --> 03:28:25,960
You're not waiting for the
temple to open it the, the, the

3697
03:28:25,960 --> 03:28:28,480
LDS church to open its temple
doors anymore.

3698
03:28:29,080 --> 03:28:31,240
That's done.
Those days are over.

3699
03:28:31,280 --> 03:28:35,840
The wait is done.
The Lord now expects, I'm sorry.

3700
03:28:36,400 --> 03:28:38,280
The Lord now expects something
different.

3701
03:28:38,800 --> 03:28:42,600
And I feel this to my core.
Seasons have changed.

3702
03:28:43,040 --> 03:28:45,840
It's over.
There's no more excuses.

3703
03:28:45,840 --> 03:28:48,360
There's no more time to wait.
There's no more time to screw

3704
03:28:48,360 --> 03:28:50,120
around.
It's go time.

3705
03:28:50,760 --> 03:28:53,520
It's go time.
All hands on deck.

3706
03:28:54,240 --> 03:28:59,960
Here we go.
Get to the temple, get your your

3707
03:29:00,160 --> 03:29:03,560
ordinances done and do the work
for your ancestors.

3708
03:29:06,000 --> 03:29:08,760
There are people that are
willing to help you do that.

3709
03:29:09,000 --> 03:29:12,600
Reach out to me.
I can put you in touch with Anne

3710
03:29:12,920 --> 03:29:15,280
if you need help in other areas
getting ready.

3711
03:29:15,800 --> 03:29:18,880
Reach out.
There are people, good people,

3712
03:29:18,880 --> 03:29:25,920
who are just full of love and
who desire nothing more than

3713
03:29:25,920 --> 03:29:29,400
Christ like service to render
that on your behalf to help you

3714
03:29:29,400 --> 03:29:35,560
get there.
Next, if you're a more

3715
03:29:35,560 --> 03:29:38,960
experienced person within the
restored gospel, a

3716
03:29:38,960 --> 03:29:44,760
fundamentalist, and you have
lived through these hard times,

3717
03:29:46,560 --> 03:29:51,640
please tell your stories.
Write them down.

3718
03:29:51,640 --> 03:29:55,400
If you don't want to write them
down, record them.

3719
03:29:55,400 --> 03:29:58,080
If you don't know how to do
that, reach out to me.

3720
03:29:58,440 --> 03:30:00,920
I don't have to publish
everything I record.

3721
03:30:00,920 --> 03:30:03,920
I will help you.
I will spend whatever time it

3722
03:30:03,920 --> 03:30:08,200
needs so that you can have those
to pass along to your kids

3723
03:30:08,200 --> 03:30:14,840
because you did a great, great,
great service in the sacrifice

3724
03:30:14,840 --> 03:30:18,600
you rendered in living on the
down low until we can Live

3725
03:30:18,600 --> 03:30:23,520
Today.
To those people's kids and

3726
03:30:23,520 --> 03:30:28,360
grandchildren.
They preserved all of this for

3727
03:30:28,360 --> 03:30:34,480
you for this time.
For this time, they suffered in

3728
03:30:34,480 --> 03:30:39,920
silence, in the shadows, to make
sure we had an opportunity to do

3729
03:30:39,920 --> 03:30:44,360
this.
All roads in the restored gospel

3730
03:30:44,360 --> 03:30:47,480
lead back to the temple.
Every one of them.

3731
03:30:48,600 --> 03:30:51,280
That's not me saying that.
That's Joseph Smith, that's

3732
03:30:51,280 --> 03:30:54,120
Brigham Young, That's Wilfred
Woodruff, that's John Taylor.

3733
03:30:54,800 --> 03:31:01,000
That's on down all roads that
you take in the gospel lead to

3734
03:31:01,000 --> 03:31:04,960
the temple, and without that,
your journey is incomplete.

3735
03:31:05,280 --> 03:31:10,640
In this mortal probation, kick
down the doors, turn some tables

3736
03:31:10,640 --> 03:31:13,360
over and get your rear to the
temple.

3737
03:31:13,360 --> 03:31:15,400
Because it's time.
It's time.

3738
03:31:15,800 --> 03:31:20,360
The seasons have changed, not
just for yourself, but for your

3739
03:31:20,360 --> 03:31:24,280
kindred dead.
Because if these ordinances are

3740
03:31:24,280 --> 03:31:28,120
what Joseph said, they were
unchangeable, delivered by Adam

3741
03:31:28,120 --> 03:31:32,440
to man, then they need the full
endowment.

3742
03:31:32,760 --> 03:31:35,200
They need the full ordinances
with proper priesthood

3743
03:31:35,200 --> 03:31:37,480
authority.
And it's time, it's time for you

3744
03:31:37,480 --> 03:31:41,120
to pick up your mantle.
Our Calling isn't the same as

3745
03:31:41,120 --> 03:31:44,280
what your ancestors were, what
what your grandparents were.

3746
03:31:44,840 --> 03:31:48,240
Your calling now is to embrace
the fullness and all its beauty

3747
03:31:48,240 --> 03:31:50,840
and its its majesty and its
glory.

3748
03:31:51,320 --> 03:31:55,120
And it's time to go.
So we're, we're in a different

3749
03:31:55,120 --> 03:31:56,840
time now.
It's time to act.

3750
03:31:56,880 --> 03:31:58,680
There's there's no more time
just to hide.

3751
03:31:58,680 --> 03:32:00,080
With our families in the
shadows.

3752
03:32:00,680 --> 03:32:03,560
We got work to do.
And what do you got?

3753
03:32:04,960 --> 03:32:09,240
Well, I just want to add that I
think that you are spot on on

3754
03:32:09,240 --> 03:32:11,640
many, many, many of those
things, if not all of them.

3755
03:32:12,040 --> 03:32:14,440
And I want to add that you have
family waiting.

3756
03:32:15,480 --> 03:32:19,040
You have family waiting on this
side of the veil and on that

3757
03:32:19,040 --> 03:32:21,880
side of the veil for your
example to do this work and to

3758
03:32:21,880 --> 03:32:25,600
take it forward and to do your
temple work to get your own

3759
03:32:25,600 --> 03:32:29,200
endowments so that you can be in
the right place to hold that

3760
03:32:29,200 --> 03:32:30,960
door open.
From that quote that I read when

3761
03:32:30,960 --> 03:32:35,360
I first started this, for your
family to give them hope.

3762
03:32:35,360 --> 03:32:39,520
And if you don't record your
stories, what will your

3763
03:32:39,520 --> 03:32:41,920
grandchildren know about you as
to why you made all the

3764
03:32:41,920 --> 03:32:47,360
sacrifices that you made, why
you didn't have certain things

3765
03:32:47,360 --> 03:32:50,560
in the light?
Why was that so important that

3766
03:32:50,560 --> 03:32:52,400
you would do that?
If it's not written down and

3767
03:32:52,400 --> 03:32:57,520
recorded, they won't know and it
will affect their testimony.

3768
03:32:57,960 --> 03:33:01,920
It will affect them and their
development spiritually.

3769
03:33:02,360 --> 03:33:06,240
And all roads do lead back to
the temple in the Restoration,

3770
03:33:06,560 --> 03:33:11,000
but I will add they lead back to
the temple work in the Book of

3771
03:33:11,000 --> 03:33:15,280
Mormon, in the New Testament,
and in the Old Testament.

3772
03:33:15,720 --> 03:33:20,040
The temple is the path back to
our Heavenly Father, and it is a

3773
03:33:20,040 --> 03:33:23,880
key for eternal life.
There are things that you will

3774
03:33:23,880 --> 03:33:27,360
learn in the temple when you
take out your own endowments.

3775
03:33:27,360 --> 03:33:29,760
There are promises that you're
going to make, covenants that

3776
03:33:29,760 --> 03:33:32,120
you're going to make that say
you will keep and do certain

3777
03:33:32,120 --> 03:33:36,880
things that are going to be
required when you pass this life

3778
03:33:37,720 --> 03:33:41,360
in order to get into the
presence of our heavenly Father.

3779
03:33:41,840 --> 03:33:45,760
And if you want to know more
about that, read Oh, Brigham

3780
03:33:45,760 --> 03:33:49,280
Young, Sorry.
My boy Brigham.

3781
03:33:49,480 --> 03:33:53,520
I have to, I have to find this.
I know where it is in this other

3782
03:33:53,520 --> 03:33:55,160
book, but I don't know if I have
it in here.

3783
03:33:55,160 --> 03:33:59,280
I have it somewhere, but
basically there's a quote I I'm

3784
03:33:59,280 --> 03:34:04,520
not going to find it in here.
There's a quote that he was at

3785
03:34:04,520 --> 03:34:06,920
the lane of the cornerstone of
the Salt Lake Temple.

3786
03:34:07,240 --> 03:34:11,600
Now that didn't get finished at
for in his lifetime, but the

3787
03:34:11,600 --> 03:34:14,160
lane of the cornerstone.
There were hundreds of people

3788
03:34:14,160 --> 03:34:17,960
that are just like the Mormon
fundamentalist today and in my

3789
03:34:17,960 --> 03:34:23,920
mind, the current modern day LDS
because they also don't have it.

3790
03:34:24,920 --> 03:34:27,720
I'm just going to say you don't
have the full endowment.

3791
03:34:27,720 --> 03:34:32,440
There's been hundreds of changes
in the last 20 years, let alone

3792
03:34:32,440 --> 03:34:35,920
the last 50 to the temple
ceremony.

3793
03:34:37,320 --> 03:34:40,000
But Brigham Young knew at the
time when he laid that

3794
03:34:40,000 --> 03:34:43,520
cornerstone that most of the
people there did not know what

3795
03:34:43,520 --> 03:34:45,120
it meant to have their
endowments.

3796
03:34:46,000 --> 03:34:49,520
And he made a statement.
Go back and read that

3797
03:34:49,520 --> 03:34:52,000
information.
It tells you that what you learn

3798
03:34:52,000 --> 03:34:57,360
in the temple is what you need
to know, your passwords, so to

3799
03:34:57,360 --> 03:35:01,680
speak, to get into the next life
and to continue progressing.

3800
03:35:02,400 --> 03:35:06,440
But you have family waiting in
this life for you to set this

3801
03:35:06,440 --> 03:35:09,240
example and to show them the
path that they must take.

3802
03:35:10,000 --> 03:35:14,240
We cannot sit on the back burner
anymore for many, many reasons,

3803
03:35:14,360 --> 03:35:16,680
not just as fundamentalists, but
as Christians.

3804
03:35:16,920 --> 03:35:22,480
We need to stand up and stand in
holy places and to show where we

3805
03:35:22,480 --> 03:35:25,880
are our saviors.
We're probably not that far from

3806
03:35:25,880 --> 03:35:27,520
coming.
And I get that, you know, in

3807
03:35:27,520 --> 03:35:32,760
1968, we probably heard this as
well, but it's we're even

3808
03:35:32,760 --> 03:35:35,240
closer.
And if you can't see the signs

3809
03:35:35,240 --> 03:35:38,200
around us right now, we need to
do this.

3810
03:35:38,200 --> 03:35:40,960
And we need to get in the
practice and habit of doing this

3811
03:35:41,160 --> 03:35:44,800
so that when our Savior returns,
we know what to do when he comes

3812
03:35:44,840 --> 03:35:49,600
to help him, to help our
ancestors who return with him to

3813
03:35:49,600 --> 03:35:52,160
get their work done that we
haven't been able to get done in

3814
03:35:52,160 --> 03:35:56,080
the temples over the last 100
years, but even in the last

3815
03:35:56,280 --> 03:35:59,880
year, five years, 20 years
before the Savior comes again.

3816
03:36:00,680 --> 03:36:06,200
But it's also most important to
understand why this is all here

3817
03:36:06,200 --> 03:36:09,040
for us.
It is to tie us back, to link us

3818
03:36:09,040 --> 03:36:13,320
to our family, our family that
awaits on both sides where we're

3819
03:36:13,320 --> 03:36:16,760
at and on the other side of
veil, so that we can be bound

3820
03:36:16,760 --> 03:36:21,680
together through covenants and
choices that we make to stand

3821
03:36:21,760 --> 03:36:27,240
with our Father in Heaven,
Michael, who wants us to return

3822
03:36:27,240 --> 03:36:30,560
with him and to proceed in the
next steps of creation.

3823
03:36:31,320 --> 03:36:34,800
That is why we must do this.
It is bigger than you and I.

3824
03:36:34,920 --> 03:36:37,560
It is bigger than our ancestors
and our pile of books and

3825
03:36:37,560 --> 03:36:40,200
records that we have names we
have to take through that.

3826
03:36:40,200 --> 03:36:43,640
We feel overwhelmed in even
being able to get done.

3827
03:36:44,400 --> 03:36:46,960
Do it every time.
Every time there's a temple

3828
03:36:46,960 --> 03:36:51,680
session in your location, in
your church, you need to go and

3829
03:36:51,680 --> 03:36:54,280
do that.
You need to follow it.

3830
03:36:54,280 --> 03:36:58,680
And there are several different
fundamentalist groups that have

3831
03:36:58,720 --> 03:37:02,320
endowment houses or temples.
You have options.

3832
03:37:02,680 --> 03:37:05,920
You have a variety of things
that you can do.

3833
03:37:06,080 --> 03:37:09,280
Stop wasting your time.
The time is now to act and to

3834
03:37:09,280 --> 03:37:12,760
stand in holy places.
And it is my testimony that if

3835
03:37:12,760 --> 03:37:17,080
you act with the spirit of
Revelation and the Holy Ghost is

3836
03:37:17,080 --> 03:37:20,400
your guide, you'll be led to do
exactly what you need to do and

3837
03:37:20,400 --> 03:37:23,560
be in the right place to do it.
You will hear His voice as He

3838
03:37:23,560 --> 03:37:26,440
speaks with you, and you will be
able to help the ancestors who

3839
03:37:26,440 --> 03:37:33,400
are desperately waiting.
Beautiful, all right, And again,

3840
03:37:33,400 --> 03:37:36,640
thanks for setting this all up.
I know this was a pile of work

3841
03:37:36,640 --> 03:37:40,800
and I sure, sure appreciate you
and all the time you put into

3842
03:37:40,800 --> 03:37:43,400
this and all the years you spent
perfect in this.

3843
03:37:46,680 --> 03:37:48,640
I love you to death.
I appreciate.

3844
03:37:49,000 --> 03:37:51,720
You.
So hang out for 5 minutes,

3845
03:37:51,960 --> 03:37:53,560
everyone else will see you next
time.

3846
03:37:54,000 --> 03:38:27,000
Bye.
You're listening to the Mormon

3847
03:38:27,000 --> 03:38:28,440
Renegade podcast.