Episode #168: The Genesis Series-The Tower of Babel W/Michael Ness

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There are some stories in
scripture, especially when you

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go back towards Genesis, that
seems so far removed it can be

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hard for us to extract meaning
from it.

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However, God never gives us
anything that He doesn't want us

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to use.
Today, Michael Ness joins me

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again as we wrap up our series
on Genesis.

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The main scriptural account
we'll be covering is about

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Nimrod and the Tower of Babel.
During the course of our

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conversation, we talk about who
Nimrod was in his possible

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connections to the character of
Ball, as well as a period of

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time that seems to overlap with
Abraham.

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We then move on to talk about
the Tower of Babel and some very

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interesting parallels to our
modern society.

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That and some warnings from the
past that we should probably pay

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attention to now.
You can't talk about those

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things without taking some time
as well to talk about the

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brother of Jared, Jared and the
Jaredites from the Book of

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Mormon and their concurrent
history that much more on this

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Here we go, Here we go, dude.
What do you got for us?

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Today, Oh, we're going to talk
about, well, we left off with

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the floods.
We're going to pick up right

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after that, OK?
We're going to get a little bit

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of Nimrod Abraham, the
Jaredites.

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Nice, that time period.
Yep, nice.

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Well dude, fire it up.
Let's go.

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OK, so you Nibley talks about
this period and he is he is

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interesting commentary.
He says across the board, it's

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interesting that there's no
religious literature that really

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covers this period of time.
Why do you think that is?

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I don't know, because he also
says the secular history is

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there.
And so it's that stuff's way

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different, right?
So you can go back and like the

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King's lists, the kings of
Assyria and like Summer and

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Babylon, and like they were
keeping history.

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And so you got the myths and the
legends and stuff that are

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written down from them.
But Jewish, the Bible doesn't

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have a whole lot going on for
this time period.

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The Quran doesn't, Christianity
doesn't.

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And even apocryphal or
pseudepigraphal documents don't

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really cover this.
Like there's no Christian

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apocrypha or pseudepigrapha that
the tribute stories from later

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authors even to this time
period, right?

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OK.
But you know, if people, I don't

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have anything on this, but if
people are interested, you know,

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you can go into the early
histories of Babylon, Egypt,

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Assyria.
One of the characters that

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historians equate with, you
know, they equate the

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mythological Nimrod from our
Bible with the historical Sargon

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of a CAD.
OK.

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And in Genesis it says that the
city of Akkad or Akkad was the

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beginning of Nimrod's Kingdom,
OK right.

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And so Sargon was one of the
great kings and warlords of that

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time.
And but, but, and so Nimrod is

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a, you know, what's called
Sargon.

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Sargon was the leader.
Who's the man?

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Sargon of a CAD.
Sounds like something that

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should come out like Lord of the
Rings.

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Right, like Sauron.
Right.

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Yeah, it does.
I mean, I got that ring to it.

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And but history will tell you
for the Acadian Empire is

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distinct from Babylon.
I get predated Babble or what we

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call Babble.
And so you have you have the

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Sumerians.
They're famous for the first

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like non pictographal graphical
language, like because like

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Egyptian hieroglyphics are
older.

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But then the Sumerians invented
Kineia form as like the first

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script and that was used by the
same script was adopted by

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different cultures, even if they
had different languages, you

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know, and I don't know exactly
how that works.

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I'm not a linguist.
I wish I was.

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But for example, so so Sumerians
invented it, but then the

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Akkadians adopted the Canadian
form and they kind of blended

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the Sumerians and Akkadians.
Then Babylon used was took over

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after and adopted the Canadian
form language.

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The Hittites used the Canadian
form language in and they're

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like Turkey, Anatolia, Asian,
right?

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The cities in Syria like Ugarit
or Ugarit, they spoke, they

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spoke a different language group
that was Semitic languages also

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like Hebrew, but they didn't
have a Hebrew script.

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They they used the cuneiform
script, adapted it to their

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language.
The Assyrians also adapted the

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cuneiform script to to Assyrian.
Got you.

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OK, you know, but a cat is
different than Babylon.

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But the the scholars equate
Sargon and Nimrod.

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Maybe that's true, Maybe it's
not OK, Gilgamesh is the

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Babylonian equivalent.
Sometimes people say the

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mythological Gilgamesh is
equivalent to Nimrod, that maybe

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that's true.
Interesting.

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Embellished, obviously, OK,
probably, but could be that

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Gilgamesh was based off of or he
was the embellishment based off

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of a historical Nimrod.
But you also have this history

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is also preserved in other
myths, like in Europe, for

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example, Nivly talks about let's
see if I can find that.

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He talks about how there's
there's motifs of the mad

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hunter, this archetype, you
know, this mad hunter, he's

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crazy and or deranged, but he is
in rebellion against the gods,

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wants to be the ruler of
humanity.

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But kind of this Genghis Khan
kind of figure, right?

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You know, Mongol warlord, but
it's European or whatever.

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So there's like these myths
exist across different nations

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and cultures.
And so that shows you OK, this

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originated somewhere and the
Jews, the Jewish version in the

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Old Testament is that Nimrod was
a hunter before the Lord, right,

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right.
And I think our Joseph Smith

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translation says he was
rebellious before the Lord,

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which goes hand in hand with the
commentary that exists already,

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the old commentary, like
Talmudic commentary.

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But so there seems to be an
ancient origin, but we don't

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have documentation.
OK, about details terribly.

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So we'll do the best we can,
right?

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Right.
But Nibley does say that the one

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exception religious, as far as
our religious text, is in the

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Book of Mormon with the Book of
Ether, right?

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That's the only book that we
really have.

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And it's not quite up to snuff
because we don't really have the

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full Book of Ether.
We have a Book of Ether, which

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is different because it's it's
Mormon.

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It's really Mormon's or Moroni's
abridgement of the Book of

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Ether, Right.
But we don't have the 24 gold

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plates that ether actually
created.

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Yeah, right.
But we know it did.

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It did exist, and the Nephites
had it anyway.

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However, this period, despite
the fact that there's not much

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historical religious commentary
on this period of time, it's

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very critical because this is
the end of the prologue in the.

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Bible.
You know, the 1st 14 chapters or

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so is what I would call a
prologue to the main.

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The main point, one thing I
heard said to, you know, said to

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me that always resonated with me
was the whole point of the

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Bible.
The whole Bible is a commentary

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on the divine family of Abraham
and Sarah, right?

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The eternal family of Abraham
and Sarah.

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Right.
And this is the one story before

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this is the last story before we
get to Abraham, right?

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It ends the prologue and is the
transition to the main point.

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Right now, let me ask you this.
Is there any overlap between

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Noah, Nimrod and Abraham as far
as being alive?

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Yeah, if you believe the, if you
believe the literal genealogy

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records that says, for example,
let's say I think it says that

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Noah lived 300 years after the
flood and Shem, his son lived

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500 years after the flood.
Interestingly enough, that has

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Shem outliving Abraham based on
when he was born.

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And I think there's two
conflicting dates with Abraham's

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birth because you have the
Genesis account and then you

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have Chronicles, which
Chronicles begins again with

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Adam.
We discussed this a little bit

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earlier with the in the other
podcast with the documentary

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hypothesis.
The idea being that yes, with

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the, the Torah, the the
Pentateuch, the first five books

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of Moses, you have different
authors who contributed or

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scribes took different source
materials and contributed a

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final product that was Ephraim
Judah or priests, the Levites

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and the Deuteronomists and you
know, a bunch of redacting and

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it all came together.
But there's in that same vein of

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thought, Chronicles is thought
to be predominantly the

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Ephraimite version of the
history, while what's after

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Joshua's, after Deuteronomy,
Joshua through Second Kings is

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considered the Jewish or the
Judaic, the tribe version of the

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history.
So you have two different dates,

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I think for Abraham, and I think
one of them, I don't recall

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which one it is.
It says he was born 273 years

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after the flood, which means if
you believe those things to be

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literal, that Noah lived 27
years.

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You know, Noah lived until
Abraham was 27 years old,

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according to that, right?
Right.

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For that date, if he was, if he
was born on that one version,

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right, that account.
And then Shem outlived him by

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327 years.
Or Yeah, or lived 347 years past

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that point.
Abraham lived to be 175.

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You you guys can do the math.
And you think it's because of

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that overlap that the idea that
Shem was Melchizedek come into

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play?
There.

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That's a hard one to say because
as I've looked into that,

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there's a lot of different
thoughts on why Shem is equated

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to Melchizedek, OK, and we can
get into that.

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I don't know if I want to get
into that right now.

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No, that's fine.
But there's different traditions

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on that.
There's because you have Talmud,

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Talmudic, you know, which is
like your rabbinical commentary,

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but even that's contradictory,
you know, and then there's other

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Dead Sea Scrolls type stuff
that's not Talmudic commentary.

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That does not equate, you know,
the Book of Enoch, the Books of

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Enoch that we've talked about
does not equate Shem and

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Melchizedek.
Interesting.

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Now I'm I'm not saying.
Right.

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That he's not.
No, no.

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I look, I haven't made-up my
mind.

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I haven't seen enough evidence
one way or another.

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A lot of LDS scholars will point
out to DNC 138, which I am

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critical of for other reasons,
and I guess I'll probably have

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to defend that right now.
People think it's a revelation

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and that Joseph F Smith had this
vision in like, in like,

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November of 1918 before he died.
Oh, like this idea of work for

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the dead on the other side was
revealed and we see that Christ

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didn't personally teach to the
dead and but he set up the

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missionary program and they went
and did that.

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The people against the Adam God
doctrine will use that as a

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stick against people like you
and me who believe the Adam God

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doctrine because Joseph F Smith
says that he sees Michael as a

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spirit, you know, Adam.
Interesting, right?

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And so I'm like squinting at it
now already immediately and a

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while ago, I was going to the
Journal Discourses and Brigham

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Young was teaching that stuff
about the missionary program

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being set up by Christ, and
Christ didn't literally teach

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all the individual souls of the
dead.

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In in.
Interesting.

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He was teaching that in 1867.
OK, so that predates just this.

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Yeah.
So it's not a revelation as far

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as new content being presented
to the church at that point.

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It is not a new idea being
presented in 1918.

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It wasn't even canonized until
1985, by the way.

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Gotcha.
OK.

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So I have no problem with Joseph
Smith having a dream about it

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because he says he was studying
Second Peter, right, and then

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fell asleep and then was
dreaming about it, right?

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I got no problem with that.
We know or people suspect,

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despite Joseph F Smith's
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doctrine in his early years,
during his presidency, he kind

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of moved away from that paradigm
for reasons I am not qualified

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to comment on.
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But it seems that he did.
Jacob the dream might have more

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details on that check.
I think he did a YouTube video

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on that on his YouTube channel.
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So I call bias and see bias in
that revelate, you know that

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canonized vision or dream.
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OK.
In any case, but back to the

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point with Melchizedek, in that
dream, Joseph F Smith words it

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that I saw Shem the Great High
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OK.
And LDS scholars have equated

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that with saying, well, the only
great high priest mentioned in

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other places is either Jesus
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OK.
Therefore, it seems that there's

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a good ritual connection that
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Joseph F Smith called Shem the
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Interesting.
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All right.
May be true.

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Makes sense?
And John Taylor did equate

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Shannon Melchistic.
That makes sense.

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OK.
But that was a common rabbinical

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Judaic position at that time.
So it'd be easy for them to hear

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that interpretation.
Like they didn't have the Dead

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Sea Scrolls and other things at
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right?
Right.

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They're going, they're making
they're they're, they're making

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some assumptions based on the
information at hand, OK.

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Good question, though, by the
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So, yeah, after the flood, we
start out with what's called the

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table of nations, and that lists
all the different groups of

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peoples that the Hebrews would
have been in contact with during

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their history.
Now, there's no, there's not

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necessarily a reason to believe
as some very literalist dogmatic

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people who study the Bible, you
know, would assert, you know,

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that, you know, those kind of
assertions are so funny that

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this is like comprehensive, like
these are all the peoples of the

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earth.
And a lot of studies have been

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done to show like, OK, like
Javen, the son of Japheth, like

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what peoples did he father?
You know, it seems like that's

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like the Greeks, for example.
And there's good connections

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there.
For example, one of the in Greek

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mythology, one of the Titans.
You know, if you're familiar

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with Greek mythology, you know
the generation for Zeus, you

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have Prometheus, Atlas, Chronos,
Reya, you know all those.

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Those Titans.
Yeah, those Titans, you know.

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So 1 of Zeus's uncles was
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That's Japheth or Iapetus, you
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Oh.
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Interesting.
And he.

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Yeah, Yeah.
And he was considered the father

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of the Greeks in some
literature, you know?

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And so that stacks pretty well
together, OK, in my opinion, you

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know.
Is there some common like ideas

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surrounding that figure that
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There could be.
I never researched that I should

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have.
OK, but.

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But anyway, research has been
done to like show like, OK,

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what?
Where are these people at the

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the Genesis table of nations
talks about?

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But to my to my knowledge
there's no account for like East

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Asian nations.
Gotcha.

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OK.
So like you have the Chinese and

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Japanese and Koreans and all
them and there's probably

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limited interaction between the
Hebrews and those people.

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So that doesn't make it into the
record.

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And I'm not, I'm not one of
those people that believes if

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the Bible doesn't say it, it's
not true, right?

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You know, there's a lot of
there's a lot of people that get

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into really stupid mental
gymnastics, for example, in

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Christianity and Judaism over
the fact that like Cain, it says

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that Cain married his wife.
And it's like, where did she

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come from?
Because it doesn't mention like

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where she came from.
And they just get into a mess.

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A mess.
Gotcha.

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Yep.
And another interesting thing

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though, however, you can go up
to torah.org or whatever Torah,

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I'm assuming torah.org is
probably one of the biggest

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easily accessible contemporary
Jewish information websites.

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But they have articles of all
sorts of stuff, you know, from,

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you know, what modern Jews and
what the world view revolves

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around.
But they, I read something that

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was pretty interesting to me.
There was they say that the

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table of nations employs kinship
language to illustrate political

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affiliations.
OK.

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And so certain things that
appear to be genealogical might

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not actually be literally
genealogical, might be more

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political It Yeah, for example.
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And let's say archaeologically
things like like, so let's say

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not the table of nations that I
don't think it does this, but

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later on in Genesis, in the days
of Abraham, it talks about how

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the Hittites were the
descendants of Hath, who was

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listed in the table of nations
as a son of Ham.

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OK.
Well, I think archaeologically

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and like anthropologically, the
DNA and cultural like evidence

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does not show that they're Afro,
Semitic or handmade of somatic

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peoples.
They're completely different

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people with a completely
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In fact, they're a language
isolate, which means you.

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So you have like two ways
generally of deciding if like

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how to connect people or see if
there's a connection or if one

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group's descended from another
DNA evidence or like other

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cultural analysis like clothing
or pottery or or specifically

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language, honestly, OK.
And their language is considered

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isolated from any other known
language group.

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It's like it's own thing, The
hit island language besides the

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fact that they adopted the
cuneiform, OK, right, that we

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talked about earlier, OK.
And Elam, which is listed as a

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son of Shem.
There are Semitic people in

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southern Iran, but their
language was completely

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different, a completely
different language group.

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It was not a Semitic language.
And we can attribute that to the

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Tower of Babel, which we're
going to talk about too.

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Maybe.
I don't know, this is, these are

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just interesting things to me
anyway.

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So you have political
affiliations being described in

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kinship language.
And so could it be that the

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Hittites weren't really Hamitic
people, but they were affiliated

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with Egypt or Babylon or
whatever?

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They were against the Hebrews,
and therefore the Hebrews put

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them in a lineage language.
They used language to describe

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them being opposed to or
affiliated with Canaanites, that

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they were fighting for their
land.

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You know later that the
Israelites were fighting.

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So you're saying not so much
even that that these different

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tribes or or peoples were
actually aligned, but more or

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less were assigned?
It could be.

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That that they were kind of
lumped together by their their

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opposition, so to speak.
They could have been that way,

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yes, absolutely.
OK.

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All right.
Opposition or actual political

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alliances?
OK.

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Now let me ask you this, is
there any, is there any direct

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in just the one that you talked
about there with with Ham's

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descendants?
Is there anything that we can

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see from like a group that we
know was Ham's descendants and

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this other group, do we know
enough about their geopolitical

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dealings to make those
connections to say, Oh yeah,

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here, this looks like they're
connected politically as opposed

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to to genealogical, right?
I.

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I would say I don't know that,
but I would say without a shadow

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of a doubt that information
probably exists to disprove that

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or not.
OK.

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All right.
I was just curious.

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I was just throwing that out
there, wondering if you have

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found those connections
anywhere.

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There'll be something for me to
look into, but I don't, I can't

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confirm it, but I would say that
it seems that there's enough

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information on this point period
of time regarding the Hittite

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Empire and the Assyrian Empire
and other stuff that there

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probably is commentary on that.
I, I would be very bold to say,

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confident to say that there's
commentary on that.

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All right, cool.
But this also plays into other

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things, which is interesting
too, because in Genesis you have

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language that conflates the AIM
rights, which are are said to

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be.
It says that before the

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Israelites came out of the
exodus, right, that the, the

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land of Canaan was inhabited by
the Amorites and the Canaanites,

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right?
And it almost uses the terms

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interchangeably.
Now, historically, we know that

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there is Amorite people and we
know that there was Canaanite

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people.
They weren't the same group of

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people, but the Bible makes it
seem like they were the same.

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They were in the same land.
And that might be true.

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Maybe there's two different
groups of people there, but it

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seems to be more used
interchangeably in the text.

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And there are some thoughts on
that.

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For example, Amaru for Amorites
was a was a descriptor used by

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the Assyrians for that same land
of Palestine.

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And Canaan was a word used by
the Egyptians for the same land.

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Gotcha.
OK.

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And so you could see how the
Hebrews writing later would say

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we're just going to use the the
words that our enemies used, OK,

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and attribute that to the people
that lived here before.

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Gotcha.
OK, right.

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So there's also some of that
slush going on, but we would

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possibly run into some
complications when you look at

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some things because, you know,
if you were to, if you were just

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to blanketly assume that
Amorites were Canaanites,

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there's a poem or a song or a
Psalm or something.

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To this day, it's not like in
Psalms, but it's a let's see, I

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have it here somewhere.
Yeah, there's a there's a poem

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the Jews recite.
This goes one of the the

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refrains goes something like our
father was a wandering Syrian,

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an outcast, a tramp.
But the word that they use for

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tramp is aimerite.
So our father was a wandering

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Syrian and outcast, an Aimerite.
And you brought him to this

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blessed land and gave him this,
right, meaning the promised

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land.
And often they're singing to

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God, right.
And so, but Abraham was an

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Aimerite.
He was from Babylon, OK, right.

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And so, but we see his lineage
and we know he's not from Ham.

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Interesting, right?
Even though that the Bible says

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that aimer rights equates them
with the Canaanites.

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So, so you would think that this
would be more of a political

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alliance, but again, nothing
you've seen that actually

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connects that political
alliance, but it's out there.

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It's out there and there's
commentary, yeah, on on these

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thoughts.
But we know that the aimer

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rights were a they weren't the
original Babylonian dynasty, but

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they took over the Babylonian
empire at one point and they

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were in control of the
Babylonian.

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Gotcha.
OK.

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You know, but Abraham leaps.
And so this goes into so in the

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table of nations, we get the I
think it starts out with the

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lineage of Japheth.
And he gives all the sons of

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Japheth, and then he gives all
the sons of him in their

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nations.
And then he gives the sons of

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Shem.
And it goes from Shem down to

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Eber, and it goes to his son
Jock to him.

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OK.
And he gives like seven sons.

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And then in the next chapter it
gives the genealogy of Shem

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again, but it goes a different
line.

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And instead of going through
Jock Tan, it goes through his

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brother Peleg, who people
probably know this says that in

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the days of Peleg was the earth
divided right?

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And then through Peleg it gives
more generations.

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And that goes to Abraham.
It's a.

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Some scholars have said that the
reason behind why 2 genealogies

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are presented, 1 going through
Jock Tan and one through Peleg,

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is because the genealogy through
Jock 10 is the ones that stayed

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in Babylon and helped form that
empire and is probably I'm

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guessing associated with Nimrod
and the other genealogy or

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Abraham was the one that left.
Got you.

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OK.
Tara took his family and they

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00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,320
went to Syria.
And so that that lines up with

455
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,200
how they're calling him an
Amorite and a Syrian and Pat and

456
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:37,640
Aram where Laban and Rebecca and
Rachel and, you know, Tara died.

457
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,360
They died, you know, he died in
in Padamnaram, which is in.

458
00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:44,480
Syria gotcha.
OK, that makes sense.

459
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,680
So there's some connections too.
And and if I'm skipping ahead,

460
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:51,880
let me know.
No, you're good bud.

461
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:59,160
There there's some connections
that link the the the the God

462
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,320
ball or ball with with Nimrod,
right?

463
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,200
Yeah, we can go back to that.
That was yeah, you remember that

464
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,880
we had our lesson.
So, yeah, there was a there was

465
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,600
in the days of early
Christianity, right?

466
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,520
The, the, the claims for the
Armenian nation.

467
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,160
And I'm a big fan of the
Armenians after the the stuff

468
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,720
we've done because they have all
the best early Christian stuff,

469
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,640
right?
They claim to be the First

470
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,280
Nation converted to Christianity
as a as a nation.

471
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:32,240
And so there was a Bishop in
Armenia who was asked by one of

472
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,240
the rulers of the Kingdom to
compile a National History.

473
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,080
All this Bishop was one of the
main guys that translated the

474
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,440
the scriptures from Greek into
the Armenian language at the

475
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:44,720
time.
This is about 5.

476
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:50,920
This is 474 AD is when he
compiled their history as a

477
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,280
nation.
So pretty recent, Yeah.

478
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,800
I mean, I mean from the time of
Christ.

479
00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:00,560
Pretty recent, right?
And this Bishop said, you know,

480
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,080
in their history, he, he
recorded that they were of the

481
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,120
the Armenians or of the Japheth
side of the family.

482
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,400
OK.
And that they had a legend that

483
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,440
after the flood, they moved down
into what would beat Babylon for

484
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,880
a while.
And that there was a wicked

485
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:22,080
giant named Bell, and that Bell
wanted them to submit and

486
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,680
capitulate and they wouldn't.
And so they moved N again.

487
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,280
And Bell waged a war against
them.

488
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,560
And they fought a war and other
nations got involved and there

489
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,080
was a big war until Bell was
slain.

490
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:44,400
Well, Bell is the West, I think.
Hold on, let me find that Bell

491
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:51,960
is the East Semitic language
cognate for bail or ball, right,

492
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,560
that we read in the Scriptures,
right.

493
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,520
So you get back to language
groups you have like the West

494
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,920
Semitic languages and then in
East Semitic languages and

495
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:07,400
Hebrews E Semitic or no West,
but the so a cognate is a word

496
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,360
that sounds a lot like another
word in a in a different

497
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,560
language, right?
It's a sometimes you have false

498
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,000
cognates.
For example, I remember being

499
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,280
warned about that when I had
high school Spanish classes.

500
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,680
That's a false cognate.
Like what's that word?

501
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,000
Sounds like pregnant but it
means embarrassed in Spanish.

502
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:27,440
Interesting.
OK.

503
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,320
But it doesn't mean you're
pregnant, like you're carrying a

504
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,160
child.
It just means you're

505
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,560
embarrassed.
But it's a false cognate, OK,

506
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,080
you know, but there's true
cognates too, you know.

507
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,120
And so Bell and Bale are the
West and E Semitic versions,

508
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,360
right?
And that just means Lord.

509
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:49,520
For example, Bell was generally
used as the descriptor or title

510
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,720
as of Lord for the Babylonian
God.

511
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:58,040
Marduk was the proper name and
Baal was the descriptor for Lord

512
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,960
or master used for the Syrian or
Babylonian God.

513
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,240
Haddad, OK.
And also Hittite, he was a

514
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,920
Hittite God as well, Haddad.
So Baal Haddad would be the full

515
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,200
way you'd say it.
Sure.

516
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:22,440
So there there was a time when
for whatever reason, I kept

517
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:28,120
drawn back into looking at bail
or ball, right, either or.

518
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:34,400
And I found this connection
interesting because if, if

519
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,480
that's the case, if Nimrod is
bail, we can find out a little

520
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:44,240
bit more about, yes, we could,
because that was a nasty cult,

521
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:45,880
right?
Straight up.

522
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,800
That was a very nasty cult.
And, and one of the things I, I

523
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,000
remember reading on this and it
made such a deep impression on

524
00:30:54,000 --> 00:31:03,840
me at this time about it was
during, during the the Punic

525
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,280
War.
I think it was a Punic wars

526
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,840
where Carthage went to war with
Rome.

527
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:12,720
Yep, that's the Punic Wars, the
final war when Rome sacks

528
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,640
Carthage and like salts the
ground.

529
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,840
There's back story there that we
don't get.

530
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,040
OK, normally, right, you got to
dig for a little bit.

531
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,520
But the general who did that,
his name was Scipio.

532
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,040
Now this is when Rome is
starting to become Rome, right?

533
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,320
This is when they're they're
just entering their nation

534
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,320
building phase, their empire
building phase.

535
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,360
They send Scipio over there and
they said we've had enough,

536
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,120
right?
Animals been here, we're done.

537
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,480
Finish this.
So they send him over.

538
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:58,720
Now, Rome isn't exactly known as
the banner of moral uprightness,

539
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,400
right?
They're, they're, they're shady

540
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,080
themselves, right?
But Scipio gets into Carthage

541
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,280
and he does something that's odd
for Rome.

542
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,800
Now.
Rome, although they're not

543
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,480
moral, they're pregnant, they're
pragmatist, right?

544
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,720
Pragmatic and how they, they
build their empire.

545
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,480
And by and large you're like,
look, pay your taxes.

546
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,000
You don't become a pain in the
ass.

547
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,920
We're going to let you do what
you want to do.

548
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,920
You worship your gods.
You can keep your language.

549
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,600
It's really kind of smart if
you're in the empire building,

550
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,680
right?
Because you know, we're going to

551
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,080
have a governor here.
But really, if you're not a

552
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,640
problem, you're not even going
to see them, right?

553
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,040
He's going to hang out in that
palace.

554
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,960
He doesn't even want to be
around you guys.

555
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,800
He's just here because it's a
step up, right?

556
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,480
They don't do that with
Carthage.

557
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,960
No, they go in and they level
it.

558
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,560
They salt the ground, and
everybody thinks, well, that's

559
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,000
because they tried to attack
Rome.

560
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,720
That's not necessarily the
truth.

561
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,880
The truth is Sipio finds all
sorts of nasty child sacrifice

562
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,960
and who are they sacrificing to
bail Bail.

563
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:19,480
And it's so bad that Scipio
goes, nothing will grow here

564
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,120
again, wipe it out, be done with
it.

565
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,000
So my contention is this.
If Scipio marches into Carthage

566
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,800
and he's a Roman and he goes,
you guys are straight and moral,

567
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,720
there's some problems right now.
What can?

568
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:40,120
If that's the case, then there's
some echoes back to who Nimrod

569
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,760
was.
If Nimrod is bail, that's a good

570
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,000
point.
I know, I've heard, you know,

571
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,000
that for 100 years or so, every
Senate meeting in Rome in the

572
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,080
Republican era was ended with a
declaration, you know, as they

573
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,880
were conducting business.
The last item, every meeting of

574
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,400
the Senate for like 100 years or
more was and we will destroy

575
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,360
Carthage.
Yeah, yeah.

576
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,000
Like it made an impression,
right?

577
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,080
Yeah.
Like just think about right, we

578
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,520
get hit at 9:11 and it's not
like death to Muslims after

579
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:14,040
every, every Congress, right?
I mean, so there were some stuff

580
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,320
going on there that was flat
horrific so that they didn't

581
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,800
want to see I.
Don't have any scholarly

582
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,239
scholarly things to back this
up, but the Bible kind of hints

583
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,920
at this.
But I, I read AI read something

584
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,280
somewhere, I can't remember that
really put it in a good terms.

585
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:38,639
Now this is very heavy, sure to
the point that you're bringing

586
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:41,040
up.
But again, the Bible does hint

587
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:47,800
at this.
There was, you know, when you

588
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:55,960
read the Old Testament, there's
problems repeatedly with what

589
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,040
are called, I don't think it
uses the word licentious, but

590
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,720
there's, there's rites and
ceremonies that are licentious,

591
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:07,280
meaning there's, there was
cultures like this culture and

592
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,560
Carthage or other places.
It was a problem that Israel had

593
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,040
from time to time because it was
so seductive.

594
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,400
And that's why the penalties
were death, you know, and it

595
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,600
happened in Moses's day.
Even when they were traveling in

596
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,520
the wilderness.
There's temple prostitutes.

597
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,040
You're right.
Right.

598
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:28,120
And human sacrifice was born out
of the perversion perhaps of the

599
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,160
idea of the atoning sacrifice of
the savior, because it was

600
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,800
expected in those in these
ancient cultures that had this

601
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,160
corrupt view of this, that you
were to offer your first born

602
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,760
son as a sacrifice like every
family was to offer your first

603
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,800
born as son as a sacrifice.
Well, that evolved into temple

604
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,680
prostitution because the male
then would go to the temple and

605
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,640
then they would all be with the
same female and then

606
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,360
collectively the blood of their
collective son would be

607
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,400
sacrificed.
Right.

608
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,520
That is the the sacrifice of the
nation collectively, right of

609
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,120
the devil.
The devil prostitutes children,

610
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,880
you know, because she's
symbolically taken on, you know,

611
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,360
the seed of all the men.
Yep, Yep.

612
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,520
There there's also, and now
you're about to find out why.

613
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:29,760
I'm popular at parties, so I've
been sworn to secrecy to tell

614
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:36,720
you who it was from.
But there was someone who

615
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:42,160
enlightened me into what
happened right before Jeremiah

616
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,480
starts Lamentations.
And it has some stuff to do with

617
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,400
Ball.
Sure, right.

618
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:57,280
And typically what would happen
is, is that that if your country

619
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:02,120
was experiencing a drought and
you were flirting with Ball, or

620
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,320
let's say you had bad crops one
year and your country was was

621
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,480
flirting with the idea of, well,
gosh, maybe we should go talk to

622
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,000
Ball about this.
And his priest, right?

623
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,640
Sure.
Ball the the priest would say,

624
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,400
well, let let's start with this,
right?

625
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,680
And Ball was the God of
commerce, weather and fertility.

626
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,680
They'd say, do this.
OK, First things first, you need

627
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,240
to make an offering to Ball.
So this is what I need you to

628
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,800
do.
I need you to take a portion of

629
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,480
your of your your land that
you're using to grow crops.

630
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,920
And I want you to turn it back
Wild Ferrell Right, right.

631
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,160
Let it go.
That's an offering back to ball.

632
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:45,400
God, nature.
Well, let's just say that the

633
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,280
drought got worse next year,
right?

634
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,120
Let's say it's full blown
drought.

635
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,800
You go back to the ball, priest
of ball, and he would be like,

636
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,320
yeah, it didn't work, you're
going to have to up your game.

637
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,880
So now it's time for ritualistic
orgies.

638
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,120
Put the kids to bed for this.
We're putting your muffs on them

639
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,720
so there'd be ritualistic
orgies.

640
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,000
Sure.
Well, let's just say in a

641
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,160
country like Israel, how
important is your lineage back

642
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,560
to your patriarchal line?
Incredibly important.

643
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,240
It's incredibly important.
And so basically the only thing

644
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:26,360
that happened in these these
ritualistic orgies, the one

645
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,000
thing that was off limits, the
only thing that was off limits,

646
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,120
couldn't you, you, you couldn't
be with your spouse.

647
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,120
Well, what happens when you do
that?

648
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,400
The children don't know who
their father is.

649
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,320
Right.
And the father doesn't know who

650
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,840
their child is right now.
Let's say that next season

651
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:51,160
things get even worse and you go
back to the priest of Ball one

652
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:56,160
more time.
The priest will say, yeah, you

653
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:01,000
have to sacrifice a kid.
And so they would sacrifice

654
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,400
those children that were
conceived in the orgies.

655
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:09,080
In the orgies.
This gentleman, that's all I'll

656
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,760
say because I've sworn to
secrecy, right?

657
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,080
But he's a guy who would know.
That's all I'm going to say,

658
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,640
right?
Nothing mystical.

659
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,200
Nothing.
Nothing from anybody of that

660
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:23,960
time, just somebody with some
knowledge said we're still

661
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,760
practicing the religion of Bald
today, right?

662
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,360
And I'm like, shut up.
Just under different names.

663
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,480
Shut up now, I'll tell you what
he told me.

664
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,440
And it it made my blood run
cold.

665
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,920
And this was my LDS days, right?
This was before I I, I was like,

666
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,120
yeah, we're a wife.
Sound great.

667
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:52,280
And and that was he said, what
do we have today in the

668
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,880
environmental movement,
congregate all these people into

669
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,920
one area and then let the ground
go go feral, right.

670
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:05,360
If you look at he used to be
called Agenda 21 I think. 20-30.

671
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,880
20 now it's 20-30.
It used to be Agenda 20 or 21, I

672
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,800
can't remember.
Basically the idea was we want

673
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,240
all people live inside these big
metropolitan areas and we want

674
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:17,720
return the ground back to
Pharaoh.

675
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,120
OK, you do that.
And then what's the other thing?

676
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,080
Well, we live in it today.
That is a pretty promiscuous

677
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:30,560
environment, right?
Yeah, the family is not the

678
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,680
staple of the cornerstone of
civilization.

679
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,320
And what comes out of a
promiscuous society?

680
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,360
Unwanted pregnancies.
Which lead to abortions.

681
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,640
Which lead to abortions.
And I'll never forget this.

682
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:47,720
This man from his leather chair
just kind of leaned in real

683
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:50,760
close.
And he goes, the priests of Ball

684
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,040
are alive and well today.
It's just they've traded in

685
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,000
their red robes for white lab
coats.

686
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,480
And we're still practicing
Ballism today, only it's been

687
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,360
repackaged for modern
consumption.

688
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:09,400
And that made my blood run cold,
very cold.

689
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,040
And when we get into the Tower
of Babel here, there's some

690
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,320
other stuff he had to say about
Nimrod that was very

691
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,520
interesting.
So anyway, and that's why people

692
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,000
like to have me over at their
parties.

693
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:27,040
That's.
Right, all right.

694
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:32,000
So Nimrod Nibley says that he
inherited through his

695
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,160
grandfather Ham, the garment
provided provided for Adam when

696
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:41,200
he left the Garden of Eden and
he used this power associated

697
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,200
with this garment to achieve his
greatness.

698
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:47,480
He arrogantly rebelled against
God, claiming to be a God and

699
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,280
wanting people to worship him.
He instigated the building of

700
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,720
the of the Tower of Babel and
haunted food for the builders of

701
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:57,320
it.
There's also legends that he

702
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,600
threw Abram or Abraham into a
fiery furnace in an unsuccessful

703
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,240
attempt to kill him after Abram
refused to worship an idol and

704
00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:09,040
he and he initiated the worship
of fire and of the stars.

705
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,440
None of these traditions,
however, is attested to in the

706
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,120
Bible or the OR the other
sources from the time of the Old

707
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,200
Testament.
And hold on, we'll get to that

708
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,000
point.
Hold on.

709
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,360
He, he became arrogant and said
that he was a God and the men of

710
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,320
his time served and bowed
themselves to him.

711
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,680
This king was a schemer and a
sage, and he saw in the wisdom

712
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,560
of the stars that a man would be
born in the South who would

713
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,440
stand up against him and wrestle
him from his faith and defeat

714
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,800
him.
Traditions are like how, after

715
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,040
consulting his advisors, Nimrod
determined to slay the newborn

716
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:47,560
males to eliminate his future
rival, Abraham.

717
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,880
The scene recalls Pharaoh's
attempt to halt the birth of

718
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,920
male Israelites at the time of
Moses and King Herod's slaying

719
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,680
of young children in Bethlehem.
Such stories are consistent with

720
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,520
Nimrod's reputation for cruelty.
He is said to have been the 1st

721
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:07,400
to enact crucifixion and
mutilation as punishments, but

722
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:13,760
he bar he, pardon me bar
Hebraeus recounts that Nimrod

723
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,120
was killed when the tower was
overturned, recalling the death

724
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,800
of the priests of Elkanah when
the tower when the Lord broke

725
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,840
down the altar on which the
young Abraham used to be

726
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:28,840
sacrificed.
Nibley also says in Genesis 10

727
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,880
four we read that Nimrod the
mighty hunter against the Lord,

728
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,480
founded the Kingdom of Babel,
and in the next chapter that

729
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,560
Babel was the name of the tower
built to reach heaven.

730
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,960
That this Nimrod seems to be the
original archetype of the mad

731
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,520
hunter.
His name is for the Jews at all

732
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,200
times the very symbol of
rebellion against God and of

733
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,520
usurped authority.
He it was who became the hunter

734
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,400
of men, and established a false
priesthood and a false kingship

735
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,120
in the earth in imitation of
God's rule, and made all men to

736
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,920
sin.
A very, very early Christian

737
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,000
writing tells how Noah's
descendants waged bitter war

738
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,760
against among themselves after
his death to to see who would

739
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,760
possess Noah's kingship.
From the race of Ham, says the

740
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:16,480
text, came one through 1 whom
through the magical as opposed

741
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,480
to the holy succession, whose
name was Nimrod, who was a giant

742
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,920
against the Lord, forcing all
men by his false magical arts to

743
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,840
recognize his authority.
The Chronic on Pashale reports a

744
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,920
widespread tradition that this
giant who built Babylon was more

745
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,520
wicked than all men who were
before him.

746
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,320
The antiquity of these stories
may be judged from an early

747
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,160
Babylonian account of a wicked
king who caused them to sin,

748
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:45,160
earning for himself the title
King of a noble mound and a God

749
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,680
of lawlessness or a God of no
government.

750
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,200
In the very earliest Indo
European traditions this person

751
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:57,240
is the man of the lie and the
king of the Mad Men who sat on a

752
00:44:57,240 --> 00:45:00,600
throne for 1000 years and forced
all men to subscribe their names

753
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,160
in a book of the dragon, thus
making them subject to him.

754
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:08,040
This recalls a very ancient
tradition that when Seth

755
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,840
succeeded Adam in the
priesthood, he he ordered a

756
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,320
special record be kept in which
was called the Book of Life and

757
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,280
which was concealed from the
sons of Cain.

758
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,720
This Dragon's book was an
imitation of this.

759
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,960
And there's a constant tendency
in ancient records to confuse

760
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,480
the founder of earthly kingship
and the father of of the human

761
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,080
race not with Adam, but with a
false Adam or usurper.

762
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,720
Wow.
Yeah, That lead will lead us

763
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:34,760
into the next subject.
But if you have comments.

764
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,240
No, go for it.
I, I think there's some echoes

765
00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:40,720
there, right, where it talks
about killing the, the first

766
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:43,560
born since it's Abraham's rival,
right?

767
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,720
I, I think, yeah, I, I, I think
that there's some stuff there

768
00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:51,960
that that definitely have some
echoes back to this, right.

769
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,840
And look, if, if Nimrod set
himself up to be a counterfeit

770
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:02,800
Christ, right, Lord, the idea
that he would come back at some

771
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,280
point, well, we would have to,
we'd have to think that was,

772
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,400
would, would be a legit
connection, so to speak, right?

773
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,760
A legit connection in the sense
of it would it would it would

774
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:20,320
point to his usurpation of of
that title of Christ.

775
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,920
Well, no.
And he did he, I mean, if, if,

776
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,040
what if what the Armenian said
in their history is true, If, if

777
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,840
Bell or Bail is equivalent with
a historical Nimrod or they're

778
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,160
associated somehow.
Marduk's the real name, right?

779
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:35,560
Do you know anything about
Marduk?

780
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,320
Bell's just the descriptor,
right?

781
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,320
The Babylonian God Marduk is the
savior figure and the

782
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:41,520
Babylonian.
OK.

783
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,360
All right.
He's the son of, he's one of the

784
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:50,680
sons of the most High God, which
I think was there's other ones

785
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,840
that are higher.
There's a who we learned that he

786
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,960
was the one that spoke to Noah
or the Babylonian equivalent of

787
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,680
Noah, Gilgamesh and Mount
Gilgamesh.

788
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,000
His name was Utnapishtam, right?
He's, he's the one that took

789
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:08,200
the, the tower or not the tower,
the, the, the temple that was

790
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,360
built of reeds.
And he spoke AI spoke to him

791
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,680
through the veil, then told him
to deconstruct the building and

792
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,600
build the ark, which was a cube,
right.

793
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,360
So AI don't think AI was
Marduk's father, but AI think

794
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,200
they were brothers, Marduk and
AI.

795
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:31,080
And Marduk is the one that in
the this cosmological battle

796
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,960
before the earth was created,
the war in heaven, right?

797
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,880
Their version of the war in
heaven, there is a monster named

798
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:45,560
Tiamat and she is a threat to
the gods and she's very scary

799
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,960
and none of the gods feel like
they can fight her.

800
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:53,280
And Marduk says I'll do it and
then I'll go slay the dragon.

801
00:47:53,360 --> 00:48:00,360
I'll go slay Tiamat, and I will
do it if I get the signs and the

802
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,880
emblems of the Most High God to,
you know, take the birthright

803
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,600
position, right?
Who does that sound like?

804
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,720
First of all, to slay the
dragon.

805
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,120
Well, not just to slay the
dragon, but I will do it.

806
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,120
Therefore give me thine honor.
It sounds like Lucifer.

807
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:20,680
Yeah, well he does and he goes
and slays the dragon and or TMR

808
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,840
and he builds the earth on her
corpse.

809
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,480
OK.
It's almost like they're telling

810
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:31,480
the exact same story, only from
the other point of view and some

811
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,960
with some wishful thinking.
Yes, that's exactly, exactly

812
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,960
right.
And so Bell or Dahl and Marduk

813
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,040
are.
Are the same.

814
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:41,960
Person, right?
And Nimrod, presumably.

815
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,960
So this is the religion that
we're looking into.

816
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,640
OK, presumably.
Maybe, you know, maybe we're on

817
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:47,520
to something.
Right.

818
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,040
I can't say for sure, but it's
interesting.

819
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,000
Nibley continues in other
places.

820
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,200
He says in Abraham's time it was
terribly bad.

821
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,560
Remember it says that there was
a famine in the land and they

822
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,480
moved on.
They could not settle in Canaan.

823
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,640
They had to move on into Egypt.
The reason they went into Egypt

824
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,960
was because there is corn in
Egypt and the only place they

825
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,120
could buy corn was there.
And that's why Jacob sent his

826
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,520
sons into Egypt.
Later there was a terrible time

827
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,240
of drought, the whole period.
We have the lamentation from

828
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:24,840
this time when he says that, I'm
assuming we have historical

829
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,200
documentation, right?
Massive prolonged famine when

830
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:33,240
the nail, when the Nile failed
to rise it since Egypt was the

831
00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:35,520
only place to find grain.
And if they didn't have any in

832
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,360
Egypt, you were hard up.
But this is the world of

833
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,400
Abraham.
They have to make sacrifice.

834
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,320
They have to do something about
it and they do.

835
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,200
Abraham goes up and he is to be
offered.

836
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,320
The whole theme of the Abraham
story in the Book of Abraham is

837
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,360
a rivalry between Abraham and
Pharaoh as to the priesthood and

838
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,920
kingship.
So I want to have a my own

839
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,640
commentary in here.
This is what we're seeing,

840
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,920
right?
The other stories is with Nimrod

841
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:05,160
and Abraham, with Nimrod taking
the garments from Ham, with Ham

842
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,960
taking the garment from Noah and
Nimrod.

843
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,400
In these stories of throwing
Abraham in the fiery furnace,

844
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,280
it's a combat for the
priesthood.

845
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:20,480
Right.
OK, I just want to put that

846
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,840
commentary there.
So he continuing, Nibley says

847
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,240
that's why Pharaoh, we are told
in the Midrash, wanted to marry

848
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:32,080
Sarah to raise up a righteous
line, which is what Abraham

849
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,640
wanted to do.
So he took Sarah away because

850
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,200
she was the Princess he was to
raise up a line.

851
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,320
But there's a constant conflict
between the two.

852
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,080
As you notice in the first part,
Abraham is sacrificed on the

853
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,640
altar in the place of Pharaoh,
which was considered a great

854
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,280
honor at this time, which he's
goes to explain there was

855
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,360
something called the said
festival back in these days.

856
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:59,400
The said festival was if a
Pharaoh was to reign for over 30

857
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,520
years, every year they would do
a said festival because at that

858
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,600
point you are presumably old,
OK, you know.

859
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,440
So it was only for older
Pharaohs and it was to symbolize

860
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,720
the rejuvenation and the
resurrection of the pharaoh as

861
00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:17,920
the son of God and reigning for
eternity, right?

862
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,120
So the said festival was a
celebration originally at the

863
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,720
end of 30 years when the king
started to get old and feeble.

864
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,960
The king had to be sacrificed
and then he would be restored

865
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,440
quote UN quote in his son Horus,
which has their mythology with

866
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,600
Osiris and Horus right, who
would be regarded as the

867
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,040
resurrected version of the king.
The pharaoh would disappear for

868
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:42,360
three days and suddenly he would
come out as Horus or as himself.

869
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,400
The it's the same idea.
It was convenient also to come

870
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,600
forth without being put to death
that way.

871
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,400
But you would just disappear for
a while and then come forth and

872
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,400
have somebody else put to death
in your place.

873
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,440
So you have a sacrifice, you
have a proxy, which is done.

874
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,280
The rules are very strict and
they were followed here.

875
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,000
There are great many instances
of this happening.

876
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,760
And so Nibley's contention is
that Abraham was chosen as a

877
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,720
substitute for the for the sad
festival, for one of the

878
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:15,480
Pharaohs, right.
He says Abraham was chosen.

879
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:18,560
And I say it was a it was
considered a great honor,

880
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,760
probably not by Abraham.
But probably not.

881
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,120
But but generally it was
considered, you know, the

882
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,240
Egyptians are like, Oh yes, such
a great honor.

883
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:28,800
You're going to be sacrificed
because you get to sit on

884
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,640
Pharaoh's throne, right And
dress.

885
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,600
You're dressed up as Pharaoh.
Right.

886
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,240
Yeah.
Well, I think this also is a

887
00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:37,720
good time to say it's important
to know what parties you're

888
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:40,880
going to.
That's so true, right?

889
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,760
But you, you nibbly says you had
to be a noble, right?

890
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,000
Which is interesting because
that means Abraham was a noble

891
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,040
at the age and you had to be a
stranger.

892
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,040
So you're not Egyptian and you
had to have either yellow or red

893
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,080
hair.
Interesting.

894
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,560
OK.
Because that's a symbol of the

895
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,280
birthright.
Yep.

896
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,200
Yeah.
They preferred red hair to

897
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,400
anything else, he says.
So you were real.

898
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,160
You were in real danger if you
if you visited Egypt and you

899
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,240
were a redhead.
Those are Nibbly's words, not

900
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:12,240
mine.
It says in the Book of Abraham.

901
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,160
Now at this time it was the
custom of the priest of Pharaoh,

902
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,160
the king of Egypt, to offer upon
the altar which was built in the

903
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,240
land of Chaldea, for the
offering under these strange

904
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,760
gods, men, women and children.
He says, Well, what was the

905
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,800
Egyptian king doing, doing in
Chaldea?

906
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,160
Because Chaldea was Chaldea was
Babylon.

907
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,280
Right.
You know when you see in the Old

908
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,000
Testament, when it says the
Chaldeans, it's that it's that's

909
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:44,040
the term for Babylonians in the
18th dynasty, there was Ramses

910
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:45,600
the second.
What was he doing up there at

911
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,880
Megiddo, which is Israel, right?
That's the Valley of Armageddon.

912
00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:52,120
Well, he conquered that.
That was Egyptian country in

913
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,280
those days.
That's where this was Chaldea.

914
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,560
It was a temporary time at the
time Abraham wrote this, or at

915
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,520
the time that his children were
supposed to read it.

916
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,600
Apparently it was no longer a
part of the Egyptian Empire.

917
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:06,080
It came and it went in the 18th
dynasty.

918
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,680
Tutmos the Third took the whole
shebang clear over to the

919
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,360
Euphrates.
Then they lost it all.

920
00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:12,960
Then they got it back again in
the 20th dynasty.

921
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,040
Then finally in the 22nd
dynasty, the great Pharaoh

922
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:22,800
Sheshank went out and conquered
it all again and even more than

923
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,600
it was lost again.
And then Alexander the Great

924
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,840
took the name of Sheshank and
went and oh sorry, and said that

925
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,760
he was the son of Amun, which is
the most high God in the

926
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,440
Egyptians, right?
He said that he was the son of

927
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,400
Amun and made himself Pharaoh,
and he went back and conquered

928
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,880
the whole thing again and
followed followed the very same

929
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,960
pattern.
Each of these conquerors called

930
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,880
himself a Cosmo crater.
The story of a Cosmo crater is

931
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,560
important because Abraham's
rival Pharaoh always called

932
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,400
himself a Cosmo crater.
You know what that would be?

933
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,560
The cosmos is a universe is the
universe, and the crater is a

934
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,680
person who rules.
It's a Greek title.

935
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,880
The Cosmo Crater was the one was
the man who claimed to rule the

936
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,000
world as God's successor on
Earth.

937
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,760
The mortal rival of Abraham was
a cosmic creator who went by the

938
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,240
name of Nimrod.
All the legends say that Pharaoh

939
00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:20,000
who tried to sacrifice Abraham
was this Nimrod.

940
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,120
Interesting.
You know Nimrod, the mighty

941
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,280
hunter of the Bible.
Is it the same one?

942
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,760
That's a long story, so we won't
go into it.

943
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,600
I so wish he'd go into.
I know.

944
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,800
I wish you would too.
But the point is that Abraham in

945
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,040
the legends has a mortal rivalry
with the person who claims to

946
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:37,640
have the priesthood and the
kingship.

947
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,160
Does he have the right to rule?
And does he have the priestly,

948
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,040
right?
Well, that's what Abraham had,

949
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,000
and that's what Pharaoh or
Nimrod coveted.

950
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,960
And Pharaoh didn't have to
sacrifice Abraham anymore

951
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,880
because the sacrifice had
already been made.

952
00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:53,840
The high priest was this was the
substitute when that when he

953
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,080
died, when the altar was
destroyed, as we read in the

954
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,840
Book of Abraham, right?
The Angel comes and saves him

955
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,000
and the priest dies.
So you have you have the

956
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,600
substitute.
Now that someone had been

957
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,680
sacrificed, he had no argument
with Abraham, and he did honor

958
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,440
Abraham by letting him sit on
his throne.

959
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,760
The Pharaoh had ordered the
people all to bring cedar wood

960
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,360
and make an enormous bonfire to
burn Abraham on.

961
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,800
Then the priest's knife was cast
from his hand and the priest was

962
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,920
overthrown and killed and
Abraham was let go.

963
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,880
Then he ordered them to gather
wood and build a special place

964
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:30,440
to put Abraham's throne on.
Then he said he had 365 of the

965
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,160
highest nobles of the land come
with their children to Abraham

966
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,720
to sit on the throne and be
taught the principles of

967
00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:39,400
astronomy by Abraham.
So Nibley's taking other sources

968
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,280
and using these to illustrate
what our pearly great price in

969
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:48,040
the Book of Abraham says, that
this is well attested to the

970
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:52,040
sacrifice motif and him teaching
him teaching astronomy.

971
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:56,200
And our, you know, Joseph
Smith's facsimile interpret that

972
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,120
image as Abraham sitting on
Pharaoh's throne.

973
00:56:58,120 --> 00:56:59,400
Yeah.
And that's there, too.

974
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:00,720
Yeah, it is.
Yeah.

975
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:08,000
You'll a pretty good guesser.
Still a pretty good guesser when

976
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,360
Abraham was miraculously
delivered from the altar.

977
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,720
The Pharaoh, who was Nimrod over
there too, says I recognize your

978
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:16,400
God.
I want to make a sacrifice to

979
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,360
him.
I want to sacrifice 4000 oxen to

980
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,200
him.
And it's an embarrassing

981
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,320
situation.
Abraham says, I'm glad you do

982
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:25,840
recognize him, but you can't do
that.

983
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,120
You don't have the priesthood.
You're not authorized to do

984
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:30,200
that.
You're blessed as to the

985
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,040
kingship, but cursed as to the
priesthood.

986
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,600
Now Pharaoh being of that
lineage which was by which he

987
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,200
cannot have the right of the
priesthood, notice it was his

988
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,440
lineage to blame,
notwithstanding the Pharaohs

989
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,120
with faint, faint claimant from
Noah through him.

990
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,480
Pharaoh, being a righteous man,
established his Kingdom and

991
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,760
judged his people wisely and
justly all his days, seeking

992
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,800
earnestly to imitate the order
established by the fathers in

993
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,080
the first generations.
Now that's a very important

994
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,920
word.
Imitate, you say.

995
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,920
But look, did the Egyptians have
the gospel?

996
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,400
They have so many ordinances and
things that resemble ours.

997
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,440
Well, no, they didn't, but they
had a darn good imitation.

998
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,600
So if you want to know what the
original was like, this is the

999
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,440
best.
You have the best chance you

1000
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,960
have of studying this because
the imitation was a good one,

1001
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:19,480
but he knew he didn't have it.
I have a section in that book on

1002
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,880
Abraham in Egypt, where there
are many texts in which Pharaoh

1003
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,920
is fretted and worried and
doubts his own own authority.

1004
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,800
He is seeking earnestly to
imitate the patriarchal order of

1005
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:36,320
the first generations.
He couldn't have it because he

1006
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,280
came through the wrong line.
It says through Ham.

1007
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,400
Well, Ham, what you're told, was
a righteous man and walked with

1008
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,160
God too.
But it was through the line of

1009
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,240
cushion, Nimrod.
They rebelled and left the

1010
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,200
priesthood.
It's a famous story of the

1011
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,440
stolen garment.
I think I could go on.

1012
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,960
So Nibley is kind of hard to
follow sometimes.

1013
00:58:54,480 --> 00:59:00,000
Certain things I want to say.
I don't think he's equating

1014
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,360
Nimrod.
And Pharaoh in our Book of

1015
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,760
Abraham has the same being,
right?

1016
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,240
For one, our Book of Abraham
says Pharaoh was actually a

1017
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:09,520
righteous man.
Right.

1018
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:15,120
And to all other evidence,
Nimrod was probably not.

1019
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,440
Right.
But he is saying that in other

1020
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:22,800
Jewish and other other texts,
the same story practically

1021
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,840
exists.
In some versions it's Nimrod and

1022
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,520
some versions it's Pharaoh got
you.

1023
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,520
And the motifs are shared
between the two.

1024
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:32,600
And the the main problem, the
main idea is there's a rivalry

1025
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:37,160
between the true priesthood and
the imitator.

1026
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:38,160
Got you.
OK.

1027
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,640
And in some stories it's Nimrod,
some it's Pharaoh got you.

1028
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,440
In our book of Abraham happens
to be Pharaoh who?

1029
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,760
And in my mind, this probably
comes after Nimrod.

1030
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,000
But that doesn't say, well, I'll
put my two cents out there.

1031
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,640
The story was probably the same
with Nimrod, but I bet you the

1032
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,520
Nimrod was the imitator to
Melchizedek.

1033
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,080
OK, that makes sense.
So it's the same story,

1034
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,520
different characters, yeah,
separated by probably about 200

1035
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,520
years or so.
OK, that makes sense.

1036
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,280
That would be my thoughts.
Yep, that makes sense.

1037
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,280
OK.
Yeah, that makes a lot of.

1038
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:19,440
Sense so the one of the stories,
for example, has Abraham's

1039
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,960
father was a priest, right in
the court of Nimrod.

1040
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:29,920
But the the sages, the shamans
who would read the stars, saw

1041
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:34,480
omens in the sky that a child
would be born that would

1042
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,320
overthrow Nimrod, right.
So that's when he had all the

1043
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:40,800
children killed.
Well, that's when Tara, who has

1044
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,200
this young boy Abraham's like to
hell with you.

1045
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,560
You're not.
You're not slaying my son.

1046
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:47,440
And that's when he.
Leaves.

1047
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,640
That's why they leave.
That's why they go to Earth.

1048
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:53,880
Yeah.
Is because of Taro despite being

1049
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,560
an idolater.
Had his bounds.

1050
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,120
Yeah, he did not.
He was not willing to have his

1051
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,480
son Abraham killed, right?
You know?

1052
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:10,000
You know, I was just speaking to
someone on another podcast about

1053
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,720
this.
What we have today in society is

1054
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:15,240
an aberration.
Right.

1055
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,080
Yeah, so much.
I don't know where you're going

1056
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,280
with this, but I can already
just agree that yeah.

1057
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:23,280
It's an aberration, right?
The The bulk of human history up

1058
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,560
until about the last 200 years
is a bloody one.

1059
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:31,880
That's so bloody.
And, and I mean, Can you imagine

1060
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,840
having to smuggle your kid out
because.

1061
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,160
The king wants him dead.
Yeah, yeah, just out of nowhere.

1062
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,680
Yeah, he's just the most of
these drug induced hippies that

1063
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,280
say they see signs in the stars,
right?

1064
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:53,880
Yeah, forget that.
Yeah, it's rough stuff, OK, and.

1065
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:58,400
So yeah, what I'm saying is
Abraham probably did have

1066
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,640
interactions with both Nimrod
and this other Pharaoh.

1067
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,880
I think so.
I think so.

1068
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,480
Maybe not directly with Nimrod,
but like his origin story is

1069
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,640
dependent on Nimrods.
Oh yeah.

1070
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:15,840
Oh yeah, yeah, 100% right.
And we could see where Tara

1071
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,360
would be useful than Nimrod,
right?

1072
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,840
I mean, if he's an idol maker, I
mean, I could see where that

1073
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,440
would would come into play.
Yeah, and that's what, well,

1074
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,640
that's what the early Christian
literature in the in the Islamic

1075
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:33,400
literature says is that Tara was
a he made idols and sold them.

1076
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:40,080
And Abraham's origin story is
that he use a little bit of

1077
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,520
reason to decide, why should I
worship these?

1078
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:45,120
Right, Right.
You know, and there's that whole

1079
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:48,160
story about he smashed all the
idols in the shop and then put

1080
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:52,440
like a hammer or an axe in the
hand of the biggest one to kind

1081
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,480
of show his dad how silly this
all was.

1082
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,200
Yep.
And to say, well, I didn't do

1083
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:57,880
it.
You're this guy, the big God,

1084
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,400
you know, did it.
And Tara has to admit, of course

1085
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,240
he didn't do it.
It's not a lie, Right you?

1086
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,360
Know right?
Yeah, yeah.

1087
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,120
But he still wouldn't convert,
right?

1088
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,120
You know, it's so interesting.
At least according to the

1089
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:14,200
stories.
Right.

1090
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:23,440
You ever wonder where Abraham
gets the idea that this is

1091
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,720
something I've wondered about?
Right, Because he's raised in a

1092
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:29,440
very idolatrous society?
Yeah, I can't imagine.

1093
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:33,320
There was a whole lot of talk
going on about the order of the

1094
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,760
Father's right?
I would like to know where

1095
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,520
Abraham comes up with this.
Idea Well, by the time our book

1096
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,640
of Abraham, you know, by the
time he commences writing the

1097
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,040
Book of Abraham, he has the
records of the fathers and he

1098
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,320
has the Urim and Thummim.
Yeah, but where'd you get those?

1099
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:51,360
I would assume from Melchizedek,
OK, I would assume OK.

1100
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:57,640
Yeah, that's my guess.
And the other literature that

1101
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,640
we've gone through, the primary
and secondary Adam literature

1102
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:05,360
and the Enochian literature
seems to indicate that there's a

1103
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,840
consistent line of transmission
of the records from Adam through

1104
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,000
Seth to Enoch through Noah to
Shem.

1105
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,400
OK.
Yeah.

1106
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:19,240
And so if Shem is Melchizedek,
then that would make sense that

1107
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:26,360
Abraham would get him from Shem.
But again, you know, how does

1108
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:28,040
Shem and Melchizedek come
together?

1109
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,040
That's the question, you know?
And then maybe they're the same.

1110
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:33,120
Maybe they're not interesting.
You want to take a break for a

1111
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:34,640
second.
No, we can do that.

1112
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:37,960
OK, I'm ready when you are.
I'm ready.

1113
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:40,840
OK.
All right.

1114
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,320
So after that, where do we go?
Well, we're going to talk about

1115
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,280
the great tower, tower Babel in
a minute.

1116
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,120
But yeah, just to finishing
around Abraham and Pharaoh,

1117
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:56,560
Nibley points out that the
stories in the whether it's

1118
01:04:56,560 --> 01:05:00,600
Midrash or Talmud or Targums or
whatever the Hebrew literature

1119
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:06,600
is, they seem to indicate that
Pharaoh and Abraham parted on

1120
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,320
good terms.
But the reason why they had the

1121
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,880
part, you know, like Pharaoh
kind of forced Abraham out of

1122
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:17,120
Egypt, you know, because of that
priesthood rivalry, because you

1123
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:21,640
can't have, because there's the
rivalry between the kingship and

1124
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:23,920
the priesthood and you can't
have two kings in Egypt.

1125
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:25,520
Right.
And you can't.

1126
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,760
And if Abraham had the
priesthood, then Pharaoh would

1127
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:31,160
have to be subservient.
Right, right.

1128
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,400
I can't have that.
But you can leave and take all

1129
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,040
this stuff.
And that's where Hagar comes in,

1130
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:40,680
maybe, right.
And yeah, giving gifts and leave

1131
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:42,920
in peace.
Sorry for what happened here,

1132
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:43,880
Right.
Yeah.

1133
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:51,360
The thing I mean, that's, that's
after, well, that'd be maybe

1134
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,600
after the second time he entered
Egypt because he goes to Egypt

1135
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:57,040
again because he's offered in
Chaldea, right, Right.

1136
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:58,920
So that's the second trip
anyways.

1137
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:05,520
So that rounds out kind of the
story between Abraham and and

1138
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,880
Pharaoh that is encapsulating
the idea that there's this

1139
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:12,360
rivalry between the counterfeit
of the Gospel and the the

1140
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:20,440
fullness of the Gospel.
So some scholars have pointed

1141
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:27,680
out a trend in Genesis in all
these stories that we've

1142
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:31,720
covered, whether it's Adam and
Eve, Enoch or Noah and this

1143
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:33,440
Tower of Babel that we're going
to get into.

1144
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:38,480
They demonstrate a thesis that
the 1st chapter of Genesis are

1145
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,080
characterized by series of
transgressions of boundaries

1146
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,440
that that have been set up to
separate mankind from the

1147
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,240
dwelling place of divinity.
Therefore, it should be no

1148
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,360
surprise that the same stress on
a borderline between the divine

1149
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,960
and human spheres is found in
the passage on the Tower of

1150
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:57,600
Babel, which presents a tower
whose top assaults the sky.

1151
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,960
A perfect and natural metaphor
for the human assault on the

1152
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,680
divinely ordained cosmos.
Interesting.

1153
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:11,200
No, I'm not the one who
particularly believes the tower

1154
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,160
was literally meant to reach
into heaven.

1155
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,600
I'm actually one, if you were to
ask me, I think it was all

1156
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:18,280
symbolic.
I think it was an imitation

1157
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:19,880
temple.
OK.

1158
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,080
There are commentaries from some
people.

1159
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:26,880
There's even attributed, there's
an attributed statement from

1160
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:28,720
Joseph Smith.
I'll even read maybe right now

1161
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:32,840
if I can find it.
And again, he's working off of

1162
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:37,200
what he, the details that he
had, by the way, and what he has

1163
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,760
was Josephus.
OK, Yep, Antiquities of the

1164
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:42,760
Jews.
But this comes from George Lob's

1165
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,080
journal.
And there's no other accounts of

1166
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:51,040
this, the date that George Lob
attributes this to any other

1167
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:54,640
dates in anyone else's journal.
There's no commentary on from

1168
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:58,120
Joseph Smith on the same
subject, but I will read it

1169
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,680
anyways.
I can find it.

1170
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,960
Joseph Smith allegedly says, and
now in the days of Noah, there's

1171
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,720
a man with the name of Nimrod.
After the flood, God commanded

1172
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,800
the people to spread over the
earth, but they would not and

1173
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,720
stayed upon the land for fear of
another deluge or flood.

1174
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,040
Nimrod rose up and said that he
could withstand God.

1175
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,960
He said, come, let us build a
tower here that the water can

1176
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,240
rise, and I will go up and I
will fight this God.

1177
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,840
This is the account that
Josephus tells us.

1178
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,319
That's what Joseph says.
But God confounded their

1179
01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:40,040
language, and they were obliged
to scatter abroad all over the

1180
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,080
land.
Now I will tell the designs of

1181
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:43,960
the building of the Tower of
Babel.

1182
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:47,160
It was designed to go to the
city of Enoch, for the veil was

1183
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,000
not yet so thick that it hid it
from their sight.

1184
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,520
So they concluded to go to the
city of Enoch.

1185
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:57,560
For God gave him place above
this impure earth so he could

1186
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:01,600
breathe pure air, and his city
and he and his city were taken.

1187
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:03,319
For God provided a better place
for him.

1188
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,080
For they were pure in heart.
For it is this pure heart that

1189
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:09,600
causes Zion to be.
And the time will come again to

1190
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:11,720
meet that, that Enoch and his
city.

1191
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,760
And they will come again to meet
our city, and this people and

1192
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:18,000
his people will meet our people,
and the air will be pure before

1193
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:19,680
the Lord, and he will be in our
midst forever.

1194
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:24,080
That's one view.
And I've heard that view from

1195
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:27,960
people in the LDS world view
that they are building the tower

1196
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:30,880
to get to the the city of Enoch,
which was in orbit.

1197
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:37,359
I've also heard it said that the
tower was made to to be a safety

1198
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,359
place from another another
deluge.

1199
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:43,800
Right.
Josephus says that for sure and

1200
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:48,120
I believe he also So he says it
was if it wasn't him, it was

1201
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:50,800
another one.
But he says, or they say that

1202
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:54,880
yeah, it was it was made of
brick and mortared to be made

1203
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,360
watertight so that the and high
enough that the flood couldn't

1204
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:03,560
overcome it.
But the, you know, the brick was

1205
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,040
so that if the world was
destroyed by fire, it would also

1206
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:09,360
withstand being baked.
Wow, right.

1207
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:15,120
And so it was a contingency plan
against two natural disasters.

1208
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:17,320
But nibbly, in other places, I
don't have the citations.

1209
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:22,640
He says according to the Book of
Ether, which we do have in the

1210
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:26,240
Book of Ether, it says in those
days that the wind did never

1211
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:28,400
cease to blow.
Right when the Jaredites were

1212
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:32,360
leaving, they were on the waters
for 344 days.

1213
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:35,560
And it says the winds did never
cease to blow.

1214
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:40,680
Ghibli says that's a long time
for the winds to never stop

1215
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,000
blowing.
Right.

1216
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:45,920
And if that was happening on the
land as well as on the sea, and

1217
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:47,480
that might have been what
toppled the tower.

1218
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:52,400
Right.
You know, I keep getting drawn

1219
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:55,920
back to this story of the Tower
of Babel, and there's so many

1220
01:10:55,920 --> 01:11:00,840
things I have gleaned from the
story that I think we in our

1221
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,280
modern day society need to take
away.

1222
01:11:06,440 --> 01:11:14,320
One is unity, right?
As Mormons, we can't wait for

1223
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:17,800
Zion, right?
And when we say, OK, what is

1224
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:22,840
Zion, well, Zion's a place where
the people are of one heart and

1225
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:25,400
one mind, right?
Unity.

1226
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:36,040
God has said that that if you're
not one, you're not mine.

1227
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:42,560
But something interesting
happens in around this time,

1228
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,240
right?
And I'm going to just pull this

1229
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:48,120
up real quick.
I believe it is Genesis 11 that

1230
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:53,560
this comes out of.
Pull this up real quick, yeah.

1231
01:11:54,440 --> 01:11:57,360
Library.
There we go, Old Testament.

1232
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:04,760
Genesis 11, I believe it's six.
And the Lord said, behold, the

1233
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:09,240
people is 1 and they have, they
have all one language.

1234
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:13,800
And this they began begin to do,
and now nothing will be

1235
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,920
restrained from them which they
have imagined to do.

1236
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:21,320
Let us go down there and
confound their language that

1237
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:24,200
they may not understand one
another's speech.

1238
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,560
I am not a believer in unity at
all.

1239
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:31,000
Costs.
Nor am I.

1240
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:34,360
Right.
And I think what we see here in

1241
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:38,840
the Tower of Babel is what
happens when you try to be

1242
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,960
united on false principles.
It's true, right?

1243
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:48,360
Things get confounded.
You start assigning different

1244
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:51,920
meanings to different things.
Like globalism could do.

1245
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,520
Yeah, yeah.
And in fact, that's where I'll

1246
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:56,640
go next.
Right.

1247
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:01,320
Let me pull this up.
This actually comes from go down

1248
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:04,160
here and look at this guy's
name, Michael Lightman.

1249
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:10,760
He's a PhD in philosophy and
Kabbalah, and he's got an MSC,

1250
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:15,600
which I'm not sure what that is
from.

1251
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:21,520
Oh, I can't remember the name of
the college, Can't remember, but

1252
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:24,040
it was somewhere in the middle
in in Israel.

1253
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:30,840
Anyway, the story is, is this
that Here we go.

1254
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:36,560
Yeah.
So this guy says this, and I

1255
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:38,920
find this very, very
interesting.

1256
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:45,720
The Binet Barack Research
Institute is where this guy's

1257
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:49,840
out of, and he says this in a
spiritual sense.

1258
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:53,480
The Tower of Babel is an
egotistic elevation of corporeal

1259
01:13:53,480 --> 01:13:57,480
life where we wish to live
according to Love your Neighbor,

1260
01:13:57,480 --> 01:14:01,240
but based on egoism.
That is the main mistake, the

1261
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:05,480
idea of not needing the
Creator's help for the mutual

1262
01:14:05,480 --> 01:14:09,160
construction of a well
constructed, excuse me, a well

1263
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:12,640
connected society that people
think they can achieve and

1264
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:16,520
sustain unity on their own in
principle.

1265
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:21,200
The construction of the Tower of
Babel was by and large at the

1266
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,400
heart of communism and various
revolutions.

1267
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:30,920
The idea of peace to peace to
huts wore to places that the

1268
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:33,240
populace would manage on its
own.

1269
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:38,400
And so there's also some
interesting parallels that I've

1270
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:45,280
read from certain Jewish
scholars that most of the time

1271
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:48,080
when Jews build something, they
build it out of human stone,

1272
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,520
right?
And for whatever reason, if we

1273
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,520
read the story, the story goes
in a weird order, right?

1274
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,640
It doesn't say let's build a
tower, so let's gather the

1275
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:03,240
materials, right?
It's let us make bricks.

1276
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,920
Now, bricks are a lot different
than human stone.

1277
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:10,200
That's true.
They're uniform.

1278
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,080
Yeah, that's true.
I get you.

1279
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,400
They're uniform, they're they're
exactly the same size.

1280
01:15:15,480 --> 01:15:18,080
Yeah, you'll talk to Pink Floyd
the whole song.

1281
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:21,720
Other Brick in the Wall.
They're all the same, they're

1282
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:25,600
all the same, right?
And so they make these bricks,

1283
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:30,360
right?
And in these bricks it is, is a

1284
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:36,680
symbol of being the same, right?
Essentially a work project is

1285
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:40,040
what it starts out with.
So Nimrods out there like feed

1286
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:42,840
you, I'll give you work, right?
What's that starting to sound

1287
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:44,600
like, right?
I know exactly what it's

1288
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,440
starting to sound like.
OK.

1289
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:48,800
And so they start building this
tower.

1290
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:52,120
Now there's other Jewish
scholars who say, and I'll

1291
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:54,360
include these links in in the
show notes here.

1292
01:15:55,680 --> 01:16:00,000
The other thing it says is that
they were so concerned about the

1293
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:03,960
materialism of this thing that
if somebody fell off the tower

1294
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:06,640
while they were building it,
they wouldn't even stop.

1295
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:09,160
They just kept on going.
They were more worried about

1296
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:11,160
them dropping bricks than
people.

1297
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:15,320
Yes, yeah, Josephus says that.
100% right.

1298
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:21,080
And so there's this idea here
that this may, according to some

1299
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,800
Jewish scholars, and I'm not
saying it's right or wrong, but

1300
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:30,120
I do find it fascinating that
they're going to create a system

1301
01:16:30,440 --> 01:16:37,360
at which they will avert natural
or slash God's justice, right?

1302
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:40,640
That we can short.
We can short the system.

1303
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:47,640
OK, now and again, another
reason why I'm super popular at

1304
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:53,240
parties, what we did after the
financial collapse of 2008 is we

1305
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:57,840
built a tower.
We said never again will this

1306
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:01,400
happen to us.
Very much similar to the Tower

1307
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:03,440
of Babel.
Never again will we be flooded.

1308
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:08,320
Never again will we have the
kind of economic collapse we did

1309
01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:10,960
before.
And we'll make sure this doesn't

1310
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:14,480
happen, right?
The unfortunate thing is, or

1311
01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:18,280
fortunate I should say, is that
the laws of economy are a lot

1312
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,440
like the laws of physics.
At some point they're going to

1313
01:17:20,440 --> 01:17:26,160
be obeyed, right, Right.
And we, we have also built a

1314
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:30,920
kind of Tower of Babel, I think
with tech, right, where we have

1315
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:38,760
substituted real life human
interactions with this

1316
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:47,280
electronic tower of Babel.
Now I find it interesting that

1317
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:51,960
the one place God despises unity
is in this story.

1318
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,880
Yeah, I would say also we we're
creating currently a

1319
01:17:55,920 --> 01:18:00,680
multicultural Tower of Babel.
Kind of a globalist kind of

1320
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,160
thing.
Globalist thing, and you see in

1321
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:08,040
the name of diversity, you
actually see the destruction of

1322
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:10,040
diversity.
Yes, yes.

1323
01:18:10,440 --> 01:18:13,360
And that's very interesting and
it leads to a confounding of

1324
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:17,840
traditions of distinct peoples,
which also could be part of this

1325
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:19,920
confounding that they see.
Yes it is.

1326
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:23,160
Jared says pray unto the
brother, pray unto the Lord,

1327
01:18:23,440 --> 01:18:27,280
that we might not misunderstand
our words, which is interesting.

1328
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:29,760
How does that happen that we
couldn't understand our words?

1329
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:31,720
Well, I have an anecdote for
that.

1330
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:34,800
It's really interesting.
Back when Drew Briny lived here,

1331
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:36,920
he was.
He was speaking in sacrament.

1332
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:39,640
I hope he doesn't lie to me
sharing this.

1333
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:41,480
We'll just say shout out to
Drew.

1334
01:18:41,480 --> 01:18:43,720
He can't be mad at that.
Shout out to Drew because this

1335
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:45,320
stuck with me, man, this stuck
with me.

1336
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:47,280
He got up there and it was a
darn good talk.

1337
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:51,640
And he says, I'm convinced that
part of the Tower of Babel was

1338
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:58,600
slang really, that the younger
generation, because of all the

1339
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:02,880
different groups coming in and
the exchanging of words and

1340
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,600
slang words and development,
that the older generation

1341
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,440
couldn't understand the younger.
And vice versa.

1342
01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:13,160
Because for example, let's say
even we don't have the longevity

1343
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:17,440
of the ancients for the hundreds
of years, but in two generations

1344
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:20,880
we see some certain things like
back in when I was a young

1345
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,080
teenager, I mean, I would say
dope.

1346
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:25,480
I mean, that's cool, That's
awesome.

1347
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,400
Back in the 80s with the Beastie
Boys, it was that was ill,

1348
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:30,120
right?
Whatever, Right, Cool, right.

1349
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,520
My, I, my dad catches me saying
that's dope.

1350
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:37,800
What do you mean that's dope?
Dope's an idiot, you know.

1351
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,520
Right.
And in back in my day, dope was

1352
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,120
an idiot and we started talking
about that.

1353
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:48,120
And you know why they're idiots?
Because they did dope.

1354
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:49,440
Right.
Did it?

1355
01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:51,160
Which was drugs, right?
Yep.

1356
01:19:51,440 --> 01:19:53,160
Which makes you stupid, Yep,
right.

1357
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:56,840
So you have connotation changes
over time.

1358
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,080
Yep.
And so we don't understand our

1359
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:00,280
words.
Yep.

1360
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,720
I think something else that's
interesting is I don't think the

1361
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:08,160
Lord is necessarily looking for
us to be cookie cutter either,

1362
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:10,080
right?
I think that's the difference

1363
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:13,040
between in stone and bricks,
right?

1364
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:21,680
Is that as we bring our diverse.
Cultures together for something

1365
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:26,240
far better, which would be Zion.
That's a strength, right?

1366
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:30,480
We see that when, when Moses is
coming out of Egypt with

1367
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:33,560
everybody in the Scripture, it
says, and they were a mixed

1368
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:36,640
multitude as Israel's leaving,
right?

1369
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:39,480
So the Lord's giving a nod
there, right?

1370
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:45,280
And so it becomes, it becomes
important that we each keep our

1371
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:52,360
various individuality, but at
the same time keeping that

1372
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:56,640
individuality, we begin to
become one in purpose, right?

1373
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:00,760
And I think that's where, where
the strength really lies is when

1374
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:04,880
you can bring out those
different, those differences in

1375
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:09,400
people, but have it united for
one goal, right?

1376
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:13,040
Just as we'd say that the Father
and the Son are different

1377
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:14,880
people.
But they're in union.

1378
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:16,080
Right.
But they're in union.

1379
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:17,400
Yeah, sure.
Right.

1380
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:20,440
And so I think that's, that's
what we're looking for.

1381
01:21:20,440 --> 01:21:23,320
And as, as, as what we're
looking for as, as we look at,

1382
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:27,880
at, at Marxist theories on
communism and whatnot, there was

1383
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:33,320
an idea that that you would get
past your individuality.

1384
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:36,800
Right, you would and you'd get
into internationalism versus.

1385
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:41,560
Well, and and Mark says this
only will work if you can get

1386
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:46,000
the whole globe on the system.
Otherwise it's going to fail,

1387
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:50,000
right?
Likewise, there's even some

1388
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:53,360
teachings in communism that said
you should stop referring to

1389
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:56,120
yourself as I and just start
saying we.

1390
01:21:57,560 --> 01:21:59,880
So you've read 1984 of Assuming,
yes.

1391
01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:04,040
Do you remember where the the
main character's talking to one

1392
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:08,040
of the guys in the agencies, the
Politburo, or one of the others

1393
01:22:09,480 --> 01:22:11,280
in charge of language and
education?

1394
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:15,080
And they are playing with the
language of the people.

1395
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:19,320
And they're trying to break it
down and dumb it down

1396
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:23,400
intentionally and narrow it down
even to the point he says that

1397
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:27,080
maybe one day all we'll ever
have to say is one word that can

1398
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:29,680
mean anything for our.
Communication.

1399
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:34,320
Well, and what's interesting is
in postmodernism now, right,

1400
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:38,440
What you're seeing a lot on
universities is this idea that

1401
01:22:38,440 --> 01:22:41,720
words don't have meanings.
Right.

1402
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:43,960
And when it doesn't have
meaning, it's easily to it's

1403
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:45,640
easier to be controlled by your
government.

1404
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,200
Absolutely.
And so we're we're seeing this

1405
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:50,800
again play out, right.
Yeah.

1406
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:55,200
Albeit we're not building
physical towers, but we

1407
01:22:55,200 --> 01:23:00,400
absolutely our building towers
with our economy, with our tech

1408
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:04,440
and with our society, right.
And and what I see in the Tower

1409
01:23:04,440 --> 01:23:08,880
Babel story is once again a
twisting of a divine principle

1410
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:12,560
in Zion into something else.
100% of this.

1411
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:16,400
And so the the catch with Zion,
with Enoch, when we went over

1412
01:23:16,440 --> 01:23:22,320
Enoch, it was they were Zion
because they were pure.

1413
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:24,720
Right.
Not just that they were with one

1414
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:26,600
heart and one mind, because
Babylon was one heart and one

1415
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:28,240
mind, right?
But they were not pure.

1416
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:31,440
Right, exactly.
They were missing.

1417
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:34,640
There's a great song by Johnny
Cash that he actually did with

1418
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:41,640
U2 called The Wanderer.
And in in there he he has a

1419
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:43,440
great line.
He says.

1420
01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:48,400
I went into the capitals of tin
and I sat on the park benches

1421
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:52,200
and I went to the churches and
people talked about the Kingdom,

1422
01:23:52,480 --> 01:23:59,160
but they didn't want God in it.
And, and I think that's what we

1423
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:02,400
saw here in the Tower of Babel.
I think it's what we see in

1424
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:04,760
Babylon.
I think, I think it's what we

1425
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:07,920
see in in modern day communist
thought, right?

1426
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:14,360
Or postmodernism is this idea
that no, no, no, we're just the

1427
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:17,080
same, right?
We see it with the sexes.

1428
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:22,560
We see it between people.
If, if we look at, at what the

1429
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:27,160
the trend is now, what has
typically been known as

1430
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:32,160
masculinity is different.
You know, the feminine is is

1431
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:34,840
more masculine and the masculine
is more feminine.

1432
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:36,320
That's true.
That's exactly what's happened,

1433
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:37,280
right?
Become inverted.

1434
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:40,840
And So what, what what we've
seen is this idea of just trying

1435
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:45,920
to make everything equal, not
even equal the same, right?

1436
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,560
And it, it goes, you know, if
you're not a God person, that

1437
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:53,440
goes against nature.
If you are a God person, that

1438
01:24:53,440 --> 01:24:56,120
goes against God's divine laws,
right?

1439
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,920
And so this becomes extremely
problematic.

1440
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:01,760
And I think that's why I keep
getting drawn back to the story

1441
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:05,080
because I think there's
something here as a society we

1442
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:06,520
should take from this as a
warning.

1443
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:08,480
Isn't it interesting?
That this is like ancient

1444
01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:11,920
wisdom, right?
That's been written down for us.

1445
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:13,640
It's been spelled out right
here.

1446
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:18,640
How long have we had this story?
Thousands of years. 2000 plus

1447
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:21,600
years at least.
Yeah, yeah.

1448
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:24,400
And it's applicable today.
It's absolutely applicable

1449
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:27,040
today.
It might be more literal today.

1450
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:31,400
Than ever than ever.
I agree 100% agree.

1451
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:35,920
So so there's also some secular
thoughts on the Tower of Babel

1452
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:38,680
that I also find interesting.
So when I present the secular

1453
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:41,000
thoughts, I hope I don't come
across as a secularist because I

1454
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:43,560
definitely believe in our
religion.

1455
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:47,240
But there's there's multitudes
of ways of looking at things

1456
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:54,640
that I think are helpful.
But a secular person looking at

1457
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:57,360
the tower Bible story, looking
at the Bible and looking at

1458
01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:04,560
archaeology will point out that,
for example, Shinar, which is

1459
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:08,480
the land that Nimrod started in
building his Kingdom, refers to

1460
01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:11,000
Mesopotamia.
And the tower, he says

1461
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:15,360
undoubtedly is the ziggurat,
which was a man made sacred

1462
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:17,240
mountain.
And so it was like a multiple

1463
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:21,560
tiered squared, you know,
fortress looking thing that got

1464
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:23,240
narrower at the top, almost like
a pyramid.

1465
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:25,120
But it wasn't sleek, right?
Right.

1466
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:28,960
And I had a staircase going up.
And actually the the main

1467
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:33,920
function of the bases of the
buildings was just to support

1468
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:35,400
the staircases leading to the
top.

1469
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:38,880
There's no other purpose besides
having a stairway to heaven.

1470
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:43,000
Interesting.
And they say that it's

1471
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:45,640
interesting though because there
there's no records of any

1472
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:51,640
ceremonial rites performed in
these ziggurats besides like it

1473
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:55,440
wasn't the temple because there
was other temples at the bases

1474
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:59,160
of the ziggurats.
And it seems that if anything

1475
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:02,640
was done there, that there was a
play where the king of the

1476
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:07,160
nation would imitate the God and
he would sit on his throne in

1477
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:09,040
the at the top of the mountain,
the sacred mountain.

1478
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:13,760
And he would walk down the
stairs into the temple to do do

1479
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:18,080
the dramas, the ceremonies, the
rites in the temple at the base

1480
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:20,920
of the the sacred mountain.
Interesting.

1481
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:29,080
And so in a sense, these
scholars would say because they

1482
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:31,280
don't believe in a literal Tower
Babel, they would say that the

1483
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:35,600
Jews are putting in their
mythology a critique against a

1484
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:38,520
what they saw in the nation that
they came from.

1485
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,200
Right.
You know, they're criticizing

1486
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:45,880
the forms and fashions of
Babylon, which they used to be a

1487
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:47,280
part of.
That's where Abraham came from.

1488
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:50,720
Right.
No, it makes a lot of sense.

1489
01:27:54,000 --> 01:28:01,800
Let's see, what else do we got?
But yeah, to my earlier comment

1490
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:05,560
on the IT being an imitation
temple in Genesis 11, it says,

1491
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:07,920
you know, besides, let's go make
brick.

1492
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:13,080
They say, go to you, let us make
brick and we'll build a tower

1493
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:16,760
which reaches into heaven, and
we will make a name for

1494
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:22,480
ourselves.
And nibbly says that, you know,

1495
01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:25,800
and draws the parallels.
This is, you know, and names

1496
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,520
were sacred.
You know, in Babylon in

1497
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:32,080
particular, if you knew
someone's name, you had power

1498
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:36,000
over them.
And so people have multiple

1499
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:39,480
names that you'd go by, and you
have your own personal name that

1500
01:28:39,480 --> 01:28:40,880
only your family would know
about.

1501
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:44,480
For example.
And you'd go through initiation

1502
01:28:44,480 --> 01:28:46,680
rights and you get new names or
whatever.

1503
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:52,200
And so then going to build this
tower to achieve a new name is

1504
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:57,000
very connected to a temple
worship in latter day St.

1505
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:59,200
theology.
You know, I've often wondered,

1506
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:03,400
too, since Nimrod seems to be
the leader of this, of this

1507
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:08,320
twisted offshoot.
I've often wondered if they

1508
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:11,960
weren't trying to abandon the
name of Adam.

1509
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:14,280
Right.
No, no, no.

1510
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:17,040
We don't want to be sons of Adam
or sons of no any longer.

1511
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:20,120
We'll be sons of Nimrod.
Sure, Right.

1512
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:23,920
Or sons of Ball, right?
And we'll, we'll make, we'll

1513
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,800
make ourselves a new name,
right?

1514
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:29,240
And what the other thing?
I yeah, you're taking the form,

1515
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:30,480
but you're putting
substitutions.

1516
01:29:30,480 --> 01:29:37,920
In right, the other thing I find
interesting is they said name

1517
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:42,640
and not names.
Again, going back to this Unity

1518
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:47,000
idea, under false pretenses,
right, Was everybody going to be

1519
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:48,200
called?
The same name.

1520
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:49,520
The same name it's.
A good thought.

1521
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:54,760
I hadn't thought about that, but
it's been pointed out, you know

1522
01:29:56,400 --> 01:30:01,240
these, you know, Lehigh, for
example, is leaving Jerusalem

1523
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:04,080
because of an apostate temple
order in his day, right?

1524
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:10,520
You know, and he is shown in
vision, you know, the history of

1525
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:12,960
life, vision.
He sees the symbol of this, you

1526
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:16,520
know, the great and the spacious
building, you know, where all

1527
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:18,840
you know, which is high above
the earth, right.

1528
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:23,080
You know, the tower imagery, you
know, and they're pointing at

1529
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:25,800
the church in the wilderness who
are actually the ones seeking

1530
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:27,640
after the true path back to the
tree of life.

1531
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:29,920
Absolutely.
So they are in revolt against

1532
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:32,120
the apostate temple.
It's not just, you know, when

1533
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:33,480
you go to Sunday school, the
churches.

1534
01:30:33,480 --> 01:30:36,360
So those are just Gentiles or
those are prideful people.

1535
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:39,600
They don't want the gospel.
No, it's those who had the

1536
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:41,800
building.
They had Solomon's temple.

1537
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:43,920
They were in control.
They were the ones with the,

1538
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:47,040
the, the priests in charge.
They were obsessed about the

1539
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:49,480
fine clothing.
Yeah, they were the ones

1540
01:30:49,480 --> 01:30:53,440
persecuting the Wanderers in the
wilderness who are willing to go

1541
01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:57,240
out in the desert and search for
the Tree of Life like the Dead

1542
01:30:57,240 --> 01:30:59,280
Sea Scrolls people were later,
right?

1543
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:00,720
It's the same motif.
Yep.

1544
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:04,440
The Jaredites then are doing the
same thing when the Jaredite

1545
01:31:04,440 --> 01:31:07,680
colony leaves Babylon, right?
They're leaving an apostate

1546
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:12,000
temple order, Dave Butler says.
It's interesting that when, you

1547
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:15,280
know, in our Book of Ether, it
says that they go down out of

1548
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:18,520
the land into the land of Nimrod
to leave.

1549
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:21,080
They leave the land of the tower
to they go down.

1550
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:24,800
And he says that's interesting
because it's consistent with

1551
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:29,320
idiomatic language in Hebrew
thought that when you go up to

1552
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:32,040
the when you go to the temple,
you always go up to the temple.

1553
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:35,160
And when you leave the temple,
you go down from the temple or

1554
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:38,320
you go down from Jerusalem or
you go up to Jerusalem.

1555
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:41,880
That's just the way they speak.
And so it's very consistent

1556
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:45,640
idiomatically that they are
leaving interesting by going

1557
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:48,920
down.
Yeah, it's fascinating.

1558
01:31:56,950 --> 01:32:03,990
The Akkadian word for that means
gate of the God is, is that

1559
01:32:04,110 --> 01:32:08,270
Babili?
So Babel that Abili, you know.

1560
01:32:08,270 --> 01:32:09,990
So there's another thing there
that fits with.

1561
01:32:10,990 --> 01:32:13,670
I just all of a sudden had an
image of a Babylonian hillbilly.

1562
01:32:15,750 --> 01:32:21,160
The Jared So one thing that's
interesting right from the get.

1563
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:26,800
Go in the Book of Ether.
We see Moroni is abridging this,

1564
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:29,240
and he says this is an
abridgment by my hand of the

1565
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:33,640
Book of Ether written Who was
the son of who is the son of who

1566
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:36,120
is the son of right?
It gives the genealogy.

1567
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:41,920
Well, this is an interesting
test case for the divine

1568
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:43,120
authenticity of the Book of
Mormon.

1569
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:47,120
That's perhaps overlooked,
according if we believe the

1570
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:49,840
testimonies regarding the
translation process of the Book

1571
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:52,200
of Mormon, right?
We know Joseph Smith did not

1572
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:53,480
have notes.
Right.

1573
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:57,240
And there was no opportunity for
him to have notes or to look at

1574
01:32:57,240 --> 01:33:01,920
them.
He goes and gives a long

1575
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:05,720
genealogical list of Ether's
forebears and then, in reverse

1576
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:10,040
order, supplies them as he
supplements them with the

1577
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:13,120
details of their reigns.
To the end of the book.

1578
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:16,840
Right, Right.
And it.

1579
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:19,400
Matches up.
No, yeah, 100% matches up.

1580
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:23,400
So in reverse order, backwards,
backwards from the first time he

1581
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:25,760
does it, right.
So he's making up if he's making

1582
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:29,360
up all these names, Ether was
the son of blah blah, who was

1583
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:31,840
the son, you know, Quorum, who
was the son of Calm, who was the

1584
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:36,800
son of Amnigoda, who was the son
of, you know, Morianten what?

1585
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:39,280
You know, whatever.
So it lends.

1586
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:40,520
Itself.
And he goes and he does it

1587
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:42,680
backwards.
So it lends itself to this idea

1588
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:47,120
that Joseph is really something,
rather than just, yeah, pulling

1589
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:48,760
it out of thin air.
Yeah, he's not a really good

1590
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:50,600
guesser, right?
But it's not just backwards.

1591
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:53,720
He then talks about all that
happens in those reigns, right?

1592
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:57,360
That's incredible.
Yeah, it is absolutely

1593
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:01,920
incredible.
And so and also in addition to

1594
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:05,000
that, the The Book of Ether is.
Throughout, the narrative is

1595
01:34:05,440 --> 01:34:08,000
showing.
A cycle of the fall and

1596
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:11,960
repentance, seeking and
obtaining or losing and

1597
01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:14,440
reclaiming a Kingdom, right,
right.

1598
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:19,080
You know, all throughout it, we
see kings getting old and one of

1599
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:21,720
the sons rebels and then the
other son has to fight off the

1600
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:24,600
brother and then reclaim the the
Kingdom.

1601
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:31,080
And then it happens all over
again, you know, and it's, it's

1602
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:32,280
just.
So interesting because.

1603
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:34,320
This is actually the plan of.
Salvation, right?

1604
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:37,520
You know, for example, the first
king, so you have.

1605
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:41,280
They ask for.
A king and Jared convinces the

1606
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:47,040
brother of Jared to allow them
to have a king, and the first

1607
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:48,640
king goes off without a hitch
but.

1608
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:55,040
It's his son.
Gets old and then one of the

1609
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:58,840
brothers rebels and then he goes
or one of the sons rebels and he

1610
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:01,880
and the father goes into
captivity and he has a son named

1611
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:05,280
Shul.
I believe in captivity and shul

1612
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:10,320
goes and fights his brother and
he reclaims the Kingdom for his

1613
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:17,320
father and is later enthroned
and he he gets the Kingdom

1614
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:20,280
right, right.
That's that's Jesus Christ.

1615
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:21,400
He's suffering, God of the
Father.

1616
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:25,280
And I caught this too.
Which is.

1617
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:27,720
Interesting.
When he go so Shul is born in

1618
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:35,120
captivity, it says he was a
mighty man, he was righteous and

1619
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:38,200
he.
Went to a place that they call.

1620
01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:41,720
The mountain of or the Mount
Ephraim, or the hill Ephraim and

1621
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:44,800
he arms all the people who rebel
with swords that he forges out

1622
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:47,680
of the ore of mount or hill.
The hill Ephraim.

1623
01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:52,440
And I was like, that's a
parallel directly.

1624
01:35:52,440 --> 01:35:55,000
That's not even, that's a soul
on the nose with the Lord using

1625
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:58,640
the tribe of Ephraim as his
people to restore the Kingdom.

1626
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:01,240
Yep, yes, it's fascinating to
me.

1627
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:03,520
That's one thing I picked up on
my most recent read through for

1628
01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:05,720
this of Ether.
I never caught on to that.

1629
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:08,120
And it fits who Ephraim was,
right?

1630
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:12,120
It fits the paradigm.
Of Christ and our.

1631
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:17,240
Tribal identity and our work
righty Yep Yep, If I'm not

1632
01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:20,840
mistaken one of.
Ephraim's biggest full pause,

1633
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:25,480
and I can't remember where it
was, but Ephraim shows up to do

1634
01:36:25,480 --> 01:36:29,600
battle and is mad because no one
invited him to go battle.

1635
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:32,680
Yeah, it was when they went to
go sack the tribe of Benjamin,

1636
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:33,400
right?
Right.

1637
01:36:33,440 --> 01:36:35,560
And and they show up and they're
like, why didn't you call me

1638
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:36,400
bro?
Yeah.

1639
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:38,240
Right, like this is our, this is
our thing.

1640
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:41,000
And then instead of like they,
they go to war with the people

1641
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:44,080
they were going to, like, be
fighting alongside, right.

1642
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:46,440
I mean, it's totally Ephraim and
Judges.

1643
01:36:46,440 --> 01:36:49,320
Yeah, Yep, yeah.
And so.

1644
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:51,640
Another interesting.
Thing.

1645
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:56,960
That Moroni shows us, and
presumably what Ether is showing

1646
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:59,000
us, right, Because it's.
Ether's original document.

1647
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:04,760
He is showing us his the divine
right of.

1648
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:07,120
Kings his mantle for.
The kingship, right?

1649
01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:08,320
Right.
Because he's the son.

1650
01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:11,880
Like he gives his genealogy that
goes right back to the first

1651
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:15,120
king of the Jedi nation.
So he's asserting his right to

1652
01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:16,920
the kingship.
Interesting.

1653
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:21,840
And in spite of.
That you know he's.

1654
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:24,480
His whole life he was in exile.
He was actually also one of

1655
01:37:24,480 --> 01:37:28,600
those born in captivity.
But his narrative breaks the

1656
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:31,000
cycle.
He doesn't try to reclaim the

1657
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:32,960
throne.
He doesn't wage war against

1658
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:37,000
Corey Antimer, which is in the
days of shiz Corey Antimer,

1659
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:38,640
right.
He doesn't try to reclaim the

1660
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:41,720
throne from Corey Antimer.
In fact, he and he devotes his

1661
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:45,560
life as a prophet to the Lord.
And the Lord tells ether, if you

1662
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:49,560
can convince Corey Antimer to
repent, he'll have the Kingdom.

1663
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:55,120
But this to me, mirrors Christ.
Yeah.

1664
01:37:55,440 --> 01:37:58,160
You know, who was the Davidic
line?

1665
01:37:58,360 --> 01:38:02,280
You know, Christ had Christ had
the authority and the lineage to

1666
01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:05,680
be the Davidic king, Right.
And did not assert that.

1667
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:07,880
Interesting.
So it's kind of types and

1668
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:09,680
shadows.
Yeah, Ether is.

1669
01:38:10,480 --> 01:38:12,520
A bold type of shadow of.
Christ.

1670
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:16,840
And that's that occurred to me
my this, this read through and

1671
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:19,000
I've never heard that from
anyone else, but it's clear as

1672
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:19,920
day.
Yeah.

1673
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:22,960
Interesting.
So that's those are always fun.

1674
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:24,720
Yeah, it is.
That's.

1675
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:34,840
Absolutely.
Fun makes it it, it never ceases

1676
01:38:34,840 --> 01:38:41,160
to amaze me that that throughout
all these different societies,

1677
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:44,640
right, the type and shadow of
Christ always emerges, right?

1678
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:49,280
The father and the son, right?
Even Greek mythology, right?

1679
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:58,360
Zeus and Hercules sure bore and
Odin right over and over again,

1680
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:01,440
right?
This idea of a father and son

1681
01:39:01,440 --> 01:39:04,640
kinship.
And if we see it in in those

1682
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:08,160
kind of heathen nations, for
lack of a better term, we should

1683
01:39:08,160 --> 01:39:10,120
expect to see it in a book like
Ethan.

1684
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:11,560
Some things are confounded,
though.

1685
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:13,240
But, you know, yeah, it's it's
there.

1686
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:15,200
But did you know?
That Odin was crucified on the

1687
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:17,120
World Tree.
I did.

1688
01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:19,200
Yeah, I did.
Yep.

1689
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:21,320
Interesting.
Very.

1690
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:24,560
Yep, Yep, and.
And so there's.

1691
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:27,280
There's things at play.
Here that we just do not

1692
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:29,840
understand.
All the way around, right?

1693
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:33,160
But the echoes are there over
and over and over.

1694
01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:36,040
Yeah.
And we'll talk about some more

1695
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:36,840
echoes here.
Not of.

1696
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:39,840
Christ in particular.
But just other sacred stuff,

1697
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:43,960
very sacred stuff.
So I'll try to be careful.

1698
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:48,120
But so with the brother of Jared
at the beginning of the record,

1699
01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:52,880
we have a temple ascent.
Setting.

1700
01:39:53,760 --> 01:40:00,400
In Ether chapter 3 especially,
you know, two and three I think.

1701
01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:07,200
It's very similar to a.
Second of, let's say like so,

1702
01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:09,800
Isaiah.
Has a temple ascent thing in

1703
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:12,160
Isaiah 6.
That's where he A temple ascent

1704
01:40:12,160 --> 01:40:16,440
is where the initiate is called
back into the presence of the

1705
01:40:16,440 --> 01:40:20,720
Lord, into the rest of the Lord.
You know, first Nephi 1 happens.

1706
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:23,480
With Lehi.
When he sees a pillar of fire,

1707
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:28,520
he's offered sacrifices, and he
sees the Father and the Son and

1708
01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:32,920
concourses of angels, which is
concourses mean a circle, right?

1709
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:34,280
Yeah.
And they're singing hymns.

1710
01:40:34,280 --> 01:40:38,080
And Hugh Nibley and others point
out that ancient Christian

1711
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:41,400
prayer circles were called
choruses, Right?

1712
01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:45,520
You know, so they were actually
singing and dancing with

1713
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:48,880
repetitive movements.
Yeah.

1714
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:54,040
So Lehigh is having a temple
experience with angels in circle

1715
01:40:55,280 --> 01:41:00,480
A chorus concourses Anyway, so
ether or the ether, you have a

1716
01:41:00,480 --> 01:41:03,200
similar thing happening with the
brother of Jarrah, right?

1717
01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:10,560
And so he goes to the mount,
Mount Shalom, which in Hebrew is

1718
01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:15,800
has the same word root for this
the last part of Melchizedek,

1719
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:16,840
right?
No.

1720
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:20,640
Or Melchizedek was called King
of peace, right?

1721
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:27,880
So king of Shalom, you know, so
the brother of Jared goes up to.

1722
01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:30,440
The Mount of of the Peace Mount
of Peace Mount.

1723
01:41:30,440 --> 01:41:33,680
Shalom, you know, or you could
call it the mount of the

1724
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:35,880
Melchizedek ones or whatever.
Some, some place.

1725
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:37,640
It's holy.
It's a temple, right, Right.

1726
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:39,920
Yeah.
You know, So the settings there,

1727
01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:44,560
he goes up there with 16 stones,
which is very interesting

1728
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:48,880
considering, especially
considering the fact that we

1729
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:51,720
don't know of any connections
between Hebrew culture and their

1730
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:53,560
culture.
But the numerology is important.

1731
01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:57,760
16 stones, for example, was the
exact number of stones worn by

1732
01:41:57,760 --> 01:41:59,400
the high priest in Israel,
right?

1733
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:07,840
You know, you had on his chest
you had 12 that had the names of

1734
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:15,520
the tribes written on those
stones, and then you had two on

1735
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:17,000
his.
Shoulder, one on each shoulder

1736
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:19,000
and then in a.
Pouch.

1737
01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:22,320
The pouch that had the 12 Stones
on it, right?

1738
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:25,440
There was two more stones.
That was the year.

1739
01:42:25,440 --> 01:42:29,960
Montano, OK.
And so you have 16 stones.

1740
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:33,200
With the high priest so.
Now you have Jared.

1741
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:35,400
Sorry.
You have Mohan Raimori Ankimer,

1742
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:40,280
the brother of Jared, acting as
if he's the high priest with the

1743
01:42:40,280 --> 01:42:43,760
16 stones right in the temple on
the mountain.

1744
01:42:46,240 --> 01:42:48,160
OK, following me so far.
Yeah, I am.

1745
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:52,240
Yep.
And he?

1746
01:42:52,480 --> 01:42:55,160
Goes up to the top of the
mountain and he cries under.

1747
01:42:55,160 --> 01:43:00,520
The Lord 3 times and he
converses with the Lord through

1748
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:04,240
a cloud and the first thing he
sees.

1749
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:08,080
Is the hand of the Lord.
Interesting.

1750
01:43:08,200 --> 01:43:10,040
And then he is brought into the
rest of the Lord.

1751
01:43:11,480 --> 01:43:15,120
Interesting.
And so that is his, that is.

1752
01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:17,680
His temple ascent and he's
acting as the high priest in

1753
01:43:17,680 --> 01:43:21,040
the.
Symbolically.

1754
01:43:21,480 --> 01:43:24,040
Very symbolic, Yep.
Yeah, but literal in this.

1755
01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:26,280
Case honestly, but the the
imagery.

1756
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:29,240
Symbolic imagery is supplied for
those of us who know what to

1757
01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:30,720
look for.
It's there, right?

1758
01:43:31,320 --> 01:43:33,840
Right.
That is fascinating.

1759
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:37,720
Yeah, and you're right for
those.

1760
01:43:37,720 --> 01:43:40,160
Initiated in temple work this it
would be.

1761
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:43,480
Familiar, right?
Yeah, it would be.

1762
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:49,120
I thought this was.
Fun.

1763
01:43:49,120 --> 01:43:52,440
I don't have any particular
commentary on this, but so we're

1764
01:43:52,440 --> 01:43:56,320
we deal with the book of Ether
as an abridgment and so we don't

1765
01:43:56,320 --> 01:43:58,520
have a lot of Ether's words.
But as I was.

1766
01:43:58,520 --> 01:44:01,200
Going through it carefully,
there was one verse that stuck

1767
01:44:01,200 --> 01:44:04,160
out that was this is a quote
directly from Ether.

1768
01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:06,960
OK, It's not just because most
of the book of Ether is honestly

1769
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:08,360
just real nice commentary,
right?

1770
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:15,600
But it's Ether 12-3 and four.
And he says by all, by by faith,

1771
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:19,520
all things are fulfilled.
Wherefore whosoever believeth in

1772
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:23,920
God might with a surety hope for
a better world, yeah, even a

1773
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:27,920
place at the right hand of God,
which hope cometh of faith,

1774
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:30,080
maketh an.
Anchor to the souls of.

1775
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:33,280
Men, which would make them sure
and steadfast, always abounding

1776
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:35,600
and good works being led to
glorify God.

1777
01:44:35,800 --> 01:44:38,600
So it's always important to me
to point out like the actual

1778
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:43,240
sayings of a prophet, you know,
and that could be pondered by

1779
01:44:43,240 --> 01:44:44,960
anyone listening to.
This you know.

1780
01:44:45,080 --> 01:44:55,200
And but that that directly
precedes, you know what is it?

1781
01:44:55,200 --> 01:45:00,120
Ether 12 yeah 12/6 the.
Famous the famous quote, which

1782
01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:03,920
is, I give unto men weakness,
that they may be humble, and so

1783
01:45:04,040 --> 01:45:06,960
forth, and grace, and you know
if my grace.

1784
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:08,240
Is sufficient to all men if they
humble.

1785
01:45:08,240 --> 01:45:11,320
Themselves before me and have
faith in me then therefore I'll

1786
01:45:11,320 --> 01:45:12,720
make weak things strong unto
them.

1787
01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:14,760
But that's Moroni, right?
Right.

1788
01:45:18,480 --> 01:45:21,000
Later in that chapter, Moroni
has another.

1789
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:27,920
Good one liner, he says.
Actually, it's Christ.

1790
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:32,280
Christ has a good one liner.
Moroni is writing it down right.

1791
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:37,920
He Christ tells Moroni that
faith, hope and charity bringeth

1792
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:40,840
unto me the fountain of all
righteousness.

1793
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:44,640
And as I've been reading, have
you read all of in the Language

1794
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:47,960
of Adam yet?
No, So.

1795
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:49,200
But you have it right.
We've talked.

1796
01:45:49,200 --> 01:45:50,000
About that you.
Have you?

1797
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:51,160
I think so, yeah.
Yeah, you've.

1798
01:45:51,160 --> 01:45:54,080
Been reading that so the great
work that those guys are doing,

1799
01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:57,400
they talk about the and we've
talked about it in this class,

1800
01:45:57,480 --> 01:45:59,480
but I've also talked about the
seven part temple ascent.

1801
01:45:59,480 --> 01:46:02,840
But the three-part temple ascent
is part of this process, right

1802
01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:06,120
That we're the ultimate capstone
is being brought into the the

1803
01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:08,680
presence of the father and the
son, like the brother of Jared

1804
01:46:09,240 --> 01:46:13,600
that we just talked about.
But the mental framework, which

1805
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:15,880
we also talked about was being
preserved in like the books of

1806
01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:18,280
Enoch and stuff because they had
no temple anymore.

1807
01:46:18,280 --> 01:46:23,880
It was destroyed ways to phrase
that mental framework is

1808
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:26,760
considering faith, hope and
charity being individual rooms.

1809
01:46:29,320 --> 01:46:31,000
Oh.
Interesting.

1810
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:33,720
And so faith, hope and charity.
Bringeth to me the fountain of

1811
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:35,960
all righteousness.
The fountain of all

1812
01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:37,760
righteousness in the temple of
Solomon.

1813
01:46:38,040 --> 01:46:42,600
The the the stone that the that
the ark was on was called the

1814
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:47,520
foundation stone, right?
And under the foundation stone.

1815
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:51,000
Was.
Mythologically, the place where

1816
01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:55,600
the waters erupted during the
flood and the 1st place that

1817
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:58,120
they receded, it was like the
sinkhole that sucked all the

1818
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:00,600
interest.
And so that's where God's throne

1819
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:02,880
was.
Some in the ancient Near East

1820
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:05,480
way of looking at things.
God conquering chaos because

1821
01:47:05,480 --> 01:47:08,880
chaos is symbolized by the
water, right?

1822
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:10,840
Like we talked about how Noah
is.

1823
01:47:10,840 --> 01:47:13,040
Just the recounting.
Of Genesis, right, right.

1824
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:16,280
That God's face, you know, God,
the Spirit of God dwelt upon the

1825
01:47:16,280 --> 01:47:19,040
face of the deep, right, right.
Yeah.

1826
01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:20,640
Then the ark was there too,
right you?

1827
01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:22,760
Know upon the waters, right it
was.

1828
01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:25,440
So the ark once again is on the.
Well, the.

1829
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:27,960
The foundation stone was in the
Holy of Holies, that's where the

1830
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:30,280
throne of God.
Was and so Christ is saying,

1831
01:47:30,280 --> 01:47:33,400
faith, hope and charity bringeth
unto me the fountain of

1832
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:36,920
righteousness or faith, hope and
charity are the rooms that bring

1833
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:45,680
you into the holy of Holies.
And so faith is defined as very

1834
01:47:45,680 --> 01:47:49,040
succinctly with first.
Nephi 37 I think, which is I

1835
01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:51,480
will.
Go and I will do the things that

1836
01:47:51,480 --> 01:47:55,040
the Lord commands for I believe
that the Lord will not issue any

1837
01:47:55,040 --> 01:47:58,400
commands save that He will fill
away for the children men to

1838
01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:00,840
accomplish it.
Right, right, right.

1839
01:48:02,200 --> 01:48:07,600
The second is hope, sometimes
considered to be an analogous,

1840
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:09,840
but it's not hold.
On one second I want to stay

1841
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:11,600
there.
At at God's throne.

1842
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:13,080
OK, go.
Yep, go for it.

1843
01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:15,640
There is a scripture and it's in
one of the five.

1844
01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:17,920
Books of Moses.
And I can't remember which one.

1845
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:20,840
Forgive me.
I can always remember what I

1846
01:48:20,840 --> 01:48:22,840
read, but I can never.
Remember exactly where.

1847
01:48:22,840 --> 01:48:26,680
I read it, you're good, but the
Lord says.

1848
01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:29,800
To to the children of.
Israel, I'll meet you at the

1849
01:48:29,800 --> 01:48:32,440
mercy seat.
Right.

1850
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:37,640
And so this idea of the faith,
hope and charity brings forth

1851
01:48:37,640 --> 01:48:41,920
the fountains.
The mercy seat was on the ark.

1852
01:48:42,200 --> 01:48:44,320
Yes, it was right.
Where's the ark?

1853
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:45,680
Rest?
On the foundation.

1854
01:48:45,680 --> 01:48:49,040
On the foundation Where the.
Fountain was.

1855
01:48:49,440 --> 01:48:53,000
Right, right.
And again, you could tie mercy

1856
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:57,120
into charity, into the
atonement.

1857
01:48:57,120 --> 01:48:58,880
Yeah, right.
And, and I just found that

1858
01:48:58,880 --> 01:48:59,880
interesting.
It is.

1859
01:48:59,920 --> 01:49:02,680
No, and so hope is.
The assurance of the

1860
01:49:02,680 --> 01:49:07,480
resurrection.
Right and charity is defined.

1861
01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:11,840
As.
Attaining the attributes of.

1862
01:49:11,840 --> 01:49:15,440
Godliness, right so that as.
John says in the New Testament

1863
01:49:15,440 --> 01:49:17,240
that when we see.
Him we shall be like him.

1864
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:20,400
Right.
And the lectures on faith, if

1865
01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:22,920
you've read those.
The whole criteria.

1866
01:49:22,920 --> 01:49:25,800
Is that we can't be saved unless
we conform ourselves into his

1867
01:49:25,800 --> 01:49:29,640
image.
Not that we but you know, and

1868
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:33,480
it's totally against the idea of
the trinitarian God that God is

1869
01:49:33,480 --> 01:49:36,840
the same as the Son, but that we
will become exalted if we

1870
01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:40,400
conform ourselves to the
attributes or image of of the

1871
01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:42,000
Son.
And that's the same way that

1872
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:43,240
Christ became God.
It was by.

1873
01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:45,120
Conforming.
Himself to the attributes of his

1874
01:49:45,120 --> 01:49:48,880
Father, absolutely.
And so faith, hope and charity

1875
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:53,960
bringeth you, me or whoever into
the holy of holies to receive

1876
01:49:53,960 --> 01:49:56,680
that calling an election made
sure the fountain of all

1877
01:49:56,680 --> 01:49:59,880
religiousness to be born again.
Absolutely.

1878
01:49:59,920 --> 01:50:02,160
Yeah.
You know, enthroned on the mercy

1879
01:50:02,160 --> 01:50:04,440
seat as God.
Wow.

1880
01:50:06,200 --> 01:50:07,920
Holy cow.
That's awesome.

1881
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:11,120
Yeah.
And temple motif there.

1882
01:50:11,440 --> 01:50:13,120
Yeah, that's straight from
Christ.

1883
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:18,440
Holy cow, yeah, Moroni defines
faith or not, Sorry.

1884
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:20,600
Moroni.
After this conversation that

1885
01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:25,640
Moroni has with Christ, he, you
know Moroni defines hope as in

1886
01:50:25,640 --> 01:50:29,480
ether 12, verse 32, he says, I
also remember that thou has said

1887
01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:33,120
that thou hast prepared a house
for man, yeah, even among the

1888
01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:35,960
mansions of thy father, in which
man might have a more excellent

1889
01:50:35,960 --> 01:50:38,800
hope.
Wherefore man must hope or he

1890
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:41,400
cannot receive an inheritance in
that place which thou has

1891
01:50:41,400 --> 01:50:43,880
prepared.
So I just want to do that as a

1892
01:50:43,880 --> 01:50:46,800
proof text to show you that it's
not just right.

1893
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:49,320
The same thing as faith, right?
Yeah.

1894
01:50:50,840 --> 01:50:53,400
And he also.
Defines charity in the.

1895
01:50:54,640 --> 01:50:57,600
I think that's Moroni 7 But he
says, I remember that thou hast

1896
01:50:57,600 --> 01:51:01,000
said that thou hast loved the
world even unto the laying down

1897
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:04,600
of thy life for the world, that
thou mightest take Midas to take

1898
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:06,720
it up again to prepare a place
for the children of men.

1899
01:51:06,720 --> 01:51:09,320
And I know that this love which
thou hast for the children of

1900
01:51:09,320 --> 01:51:12,360
men is charity.
Wherefore except all men should

1901
01:51:12,360 --> 01:51:14,320
have charity, they cannot
inherit the place which thou

1902
01:51:14,320 --> 01:51:16,040
hast prepared in the mansions of
thy father.

1903
01:51:18,440 --> 01:51:19,880
And lectures.
Lecture 7 on.

1904
01:51:19,880 --> 01:51:24,680
The Lectures on Faith says.
When men begin to live by faith.

1905
01:51:24,920 --> 01:51:27,880
They begin to draw near to God.
And when faith is perfected,

1906
01:51:27,880 --> 01:51:30,560
they are like him.
And because he is saved, they

1907
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:34,200
are saved also, For they will be
in the same situation he is in,

1908
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:37,640
because they have come to him.
And when He appears, they shall

1909
01:51:37,640 --> 01:51:39,720
be like Him, for they will see
Him as he is.

1910
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:48,460
Wow.
You know, it's funny, people say

1911
01:51:48,460 --> 01:51:50,660
that they can't find the temple
in.

1912
01:51:50,660 --> 01:51:52,540
The Book of Mormon in the Book
of Mormon, right, You got the

1913
01:51:52,540 --> 01:51:55,220
one reference to, you know.
It was like Solomon's temple.

1914
01:51:55,220 --> 01:51:58,820
Save it, be out of timber, but
it's there if you know what

1915
01:51:58,820 --> 01:52:01,420
you're looking for, it is.
And that's why I'm so grateful

1916
01:52:01,420 --> 01:52:03,260
for the work that Dave Butler
and Mike Day have been.

1917
01:52:03,260 --> 01:52:06,700
Doing They're all about that.
Yep, Yep, absolutely.

1918
01:52:06,700 --> 01:52:09,020
If I was president of the LDS
Church, I would put them in.

1919
01:52:09,020 --> 01:52:12,440
Charge of.
CES right now, CES right now and

1920
01:52:12,440 --> 01:52:13,840
the temple committee and get.
Them to.

1921
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:17,480
Have the to play with the
liturgy of the the temple

1922
01:52:17,480 --> 01:52:22,280
endowment and all that.
Sure as hell beat what they got

1923
01:52:22,280 --> 01:52:23,800
now.
Yeah, absolutely.

1924
01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:27,880
They were joking.
One day that they would have.

1925
01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:32,200
When we were going over the
primary Adam literature, right,

1926
01:52:32,240 --> 01:52:37,320
and they were talking, we were
talking about how in the early

1927
01:52:37,320 --> 01:52:39,560
Christian stuff.
With the fall of Satan, they had

1928
01:52:39,560 --> 01:52:42,160
the angels beating.
Him up and ripping off his wings

1929
01:52:42,160 --> 01:52:46,440
and breaking his ribs and and
removing the priesthood from his

1930
01:52:46,440 --> 01:52:48,040
hands and cutting.
His head off.

1931
01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:50,760
And all that stuff, Dave Butler
joked.

1932
01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:52,760
He said I want to put that.
I would put that back in the.

1933
01:52:52,760 --> 01:52:54,200
Endowment.
And have a bunch of angels

1934
01:52:54,200 --> 01:53:02,160
beating up the.
That's hilarious.

1935
01:53:02,280 --> 01:53:06,000
Yeah, it'd be like watching Aufc
fight inside the temple.

1936
01:53:09,680 --> 01:53:12,240
Yeah, no, there's, there's a
place, there's well.

1937
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:17,880
Not to be too light about that,
but it's the the way that the

1938
01:53:17,880 --> 01:53:20,840
early Christians presented that
would be very relevant to have

1939
01:53:20,840 --> 01:53:23,600
something like that right?
To have some to show Lucifer

1940
01:53:23,600 --> 01:53:26,360
being divested of his status,
right?

1941
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:29,560
Oh absolutely it would be,
especially with.

1942
01:53:29,560 --> 01:53:30,840
The way it used to be.
Done with.

1943
01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:32,520
You know it's not done this way
in the LDS.

1944
01:53:32,520 --> 01:53:35,320
Church anymore.
He doesn't wear an apron, but we

1945
01:53:35,320 --> 01:53:39,760
know that he was invested with
what he said was an apron.

1946
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:41,400
That was a symbol of his power
in priesthood.

1947
01:53:41,400 --> 01:53:42,360
Yep.
Yep.

1948
01:53:42,360 --> 01:53:44,880
And there's to see things like
that being taken.

1949
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:46,720
But then he appears later
without it, right?

1950
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:49,720
Right.
See that and being divested of

1951
01:53:49,720 --> 01:53:52,600
that would be cool.
Yeah, that would carry some

1952
01:53:52,600 --> 01:53:54,080
weight, right?
I mean, yeah.

1953
01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:58,880
Absolutely.
I'm always scared to play with

1954
01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:01,440
the liturgy.
Too much I am too I.

1955
01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:03,760
You know, some talk, talk a
little hypothetical.

1956
01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:05,280
Here.
But I'm just saying it would get

1957
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:08,160
the point across, right?
Yeah, Fits right, Yeah.

1958
01:54:09,680 --> 01:54:10,480
Yep.
Yep.

1959
01:54:10,520 --> 01:54:13,240
No, I agree.
All right.

1960
01:54:13,240 --> 01:54:15,880
Is there anything else in there?
Yeah, I mean, if we have time.

1961
01:54:16,160 --> 01:54:18,880
Yeah, See if I can handle this.
This is probably the most

1962
01:54:18,880 --> 01:54:23,120
complex part of the presentation
going back to Melchizedek.

1963
01:54:23,480 --> 01:54:24,640
OK.
And so.

1964
01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:27,480
We talked about who is he who is
into Izishem?

1965
01:54:27,480 --> 01:54:33,120
Maybe the Book of Mormon
definitely asserts that

1966
01:54:33,120 --> 01:54:34,840
Melchizedek is a historical
character.

1967
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:37,960
So I I put my pin in that.
We know that we know that much,

1968
01:54:37,960 --> 01:54:40,360
right?
Because Alma goes to the city of

1969
01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:46,600
Amaniah, and it's interesting
there because even there there.

1970
01:54:46,720 --> 01:54:48,440
There's temple liturgy in those
chapters.

1971
01:54:48,440 --> 01:54:52,240
Right, you know, Ziazram says.
You know, playing a lawyer,

1972
01:54:52,240 --> 01:54:55,680
playing the adversary, because
what is a prosecuting attorney,

1973
01:54:56,240 --> 01:54:57,560
right?
An adversary.

1974
01:54:57,640 --> 01:54:59,880
You know the especially in
Hebrew thought.

1975
01:54:59,880 --> 01:55:01,920
The ha Satan you know is an.
Adversary.

1976
01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:04,240
Yeah.
So the accuser, Exactly.

1977
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:07,520
So Ziazram's a lawyer by trade,
it says.

1978
01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:12,280
That goes into the whole shebang
about by the way, this is his

1979
01:55:12,280 --> 01:55:15,440
trade.
He makes his money off of the

1980
01:55:15,440 --> 01:55:18,960
case is that he tries to get out
of the people and the and sowing

1981
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:22,960
contention among the people and
he and his people lawyers

1982
01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:26,760
through lawyer craft make their
money off of the contention of

1983
01:55:26,760 --> 01:55:30,320
the people.
And then he goes and offers Alma

1984
01:55:30,320 --> 01:55:36,000
and Amy with money to deny the
existence of the Supreme that

1985
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:39,040
is.
That is interesting, and it's

1986
01:55:39,040 --> 01:55:42,320
right after Alma gets off of a.
Mission saying.

1987
01:55:42,320 --> 01:55:46,520
I was in the land of Melek which
is the 1st component of the word

1988
01:55:46,520 --> 01:55:55,240
Melchizedek which means king and
he says to us and I he began to

1989
01:55:55,240 --> 01:55:57,400
teach in the.
People teach the people in the

1990
01:55:57,400 --> 01:55:59,920
land.
Of Melik, which we or the land

1991
01:55:59,920 --> 01:56:03,240
of the king according to the
holy order of God.

1992
01:56:04,040 --> 01:56:06,520
And he taught the people of
Gideon many of things which

1993
01:56:06,520 --> 01:56:08,240
could not be written.
So he just gotten out of the

1994
01:56:08,240 --> 01:56:12,360
city, called Gideon and Melik,
and he taught them after the

1995
01:56:12,360 --> 01:56:14,600
holy order of God and.
Many things which cannot be

1996
01:56:14,600 --> 01:56:16,280
written.
We know that's temple stuff.

1997
01:56:16,320 --> 01:56:18,920
Yep.
It never says priesthood, I

1998
01:56:18,920 --> 01:56:20,640
don't think.
In the Book of Mormon, but it

1999
01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:22,160
says the.
Holy order of God multiple

2000
01:56:22,160 --> 01:56:23,080
times.
And so that's what the

2001
01:56:23,080 --> 01:56:24,600
priesthood it's got to be.
Yeah.

2002
01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:26,600
Yeah.
Well, we know from a Joseph

2003
01:56:26,600 --> 01:56:27,520
Smith.
Translation.

2004
01:56:28,840 --> 01:56:31,400
That the order of the priesthood
after the order of Melchizedek

2005
01:56:31,400 --> 01:56:34,480
was originally called the order
after the Son of God, right?

2006
01:56:36,560 --> 01:56:39,960
And so he gets into Ammoni Ha.
And he says, how have you?

2007
01:56:39,960 --> 01:56:41,560
Forgotten the traditions of your
Father's.

2008
01:56:41,560 --> 01:56:43,680
So he's not just talking to
infidels, he's talking to

2009
01:56:43,680 --> 01:56:46,440
apostates.
And so there's a tons of there's

2010
01:56:46,440 --> 01:56:51,280
tons of things going on between
them that illustrate these

2011
01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:53,000
temple motifs.
And we just talked about one of

2012
01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:54,240
them about.
The.

2013
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:57,360
Money, right?
And like even tells the people,

2014
01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:00,080
I have seen much of his
mysteries, meaning God's

2015
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:01,920
mysteries.
Nevertheless, I did harden my

2016
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:05,480
heart and I was called many
times times, but I would not

2017
01:57:05,480 --> 01:57:07,200
hear.
Therefore I knew concerning

2018
01:57:07,200 --> 01:57:08,680
these things, yet I would not
know.

2019
01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:11,240
Therefore I went on rebelling
against God.

2020
01:57:11,240 --> 01:57:13,680
So even Amy looks familiar with
temples, right?

2021
01:57:13,800 --> 01:57:18,120
Yep.
But he was inactive, right?

2022
01:57:19,200 --> 01:57:21,120
Right, Amy?
Looks interesting.

2023
01:57:21,120 --> 01:57:23,480
Because he gives up so much
hell, he is.

2024
01:57:23,720 --> 01:57:26,280
And he was a polygamist.
Yep, Yep.

2025
01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:29,520
By the way, he was, if you read
the Book of Mormon carefully, it

2026
01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:35,520
says, yeah, yeah, his children
and riches and his women.

2027
01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:38,200
Yep, Yep.
And, and everyone will be like,

2028
01:57:38,200 --> 01:57:40,640
well, it could be his daughters.
And I'm like, children was just

2029
01:57:40,640 --> 01:57:42,200
mentioned, Yeah, children was
just mentioned.

2030
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:46,360
And it never mentions his wives
or wife, right.

2031
01:57:46,760 --> 01:57:50,760
And so it absolutely has some
allusions to him living in in

2032
01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:56,160
plural marriage.
Yeah, but anyway, so after.

2033
01:57:56,160 --> 01:57:59,000
Being after teaching things
according to the order of the

2034
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:01,120
priesthood, he starts doing it
again in AM and I how?

2035
01:58:01,680 --> 01:58:07,480
And he says the Alma says it is
given unto.

2036
01:58:07,480 --> 01:58:09,560
Many to know the mysteries of
God nevertheless.

2037
01:58:09,560 --> 01:58:12,520
They are laid under a strict
command that they shall not

2038
01:58:12,520 --> 01:58:15,480
impart only according to the
portion of the word which he

2039
01:58:15,480 --> 01:58:16,880
doth grant unto the children of
men.

2040
01:58:17,400 --> 01:58:19,720
So be selective about what you
say about it, right?

2041
01:58:19,720 --> 01:58:20,960
And you're told not to repeat,
right?

2042
01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:24,160
Yep, according to the heathen
diligence which they give unto

2043
01:58:24,160 --> 01:58:27,640
the him, and they that will
harden their hearts to them is

2044
01:58:27,640 --> 01:58:30,000
given a lesser portion of the
word, until they know nothing

2045
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:33,040
concerning his mysteries.
Which is rights, right?

2046
01:58:33,080 --> 01:58:36,360
You know, rights and ordinances
and then they are taken captive.

2047
01:58:36,360 --> 01:58:38,760
By the devil.
And led by his will down to

2048
01:58:38,760 --> 01:58:41,240
destruction, which is also part
of the old temple liturgy.

2049
01:58:41,280 --> 01:58:44,680
Yep.
And then Alma goes on saying

2050
01:58:44,680 --> 01:58:46,080
they were ordained.
After.

2051
01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:50,040
This manner being called with a
holy calling and ordained with a

2052
01:58:50,040 --> 01:58:52,160
holy ordinance.
So he just says ordinance

2053
01:58:52,160 --> 01:58:53,320
straight up.
That's a temple, right?

2054
01:58:53,320 --> 01:58:57,160
Yeah, he's, he's being a little
more over in that, in that.

2055
01:58:58,040 --> 01:59:00,600
Phrase there and he says, and
taking upon them the high

2056
01:59:00,600 --> 01:59:02,560
priesthood of the holy, sorry to
say, priesthood.

2057
01:59:02,560 --> 01:59:04,320
The high Priesthood of the Holy
Order.

2058
01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:06,920
So he's defining the Holy Order
as being the priesthood.

2059
01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:11,120
So in the previous mission to
Mulik, he was teaching them

2060
01:59:11,120 --> 01:59:14,560
about the priesthood, which
calling an ordinance and high

2061
01:59:14,560 --> 01:59:16,600
priesthood is without beginning
or end.

2062
01:59:16,680 --> 01:59:19,640
Thus they become high priests
forever after the order of the

2063
01:59:19,640 --> 01:59:22,480
Son, the only begotten of the
Father, who is without beginning

2064
01:59:22,480 --> 01:59:24,880
of days or end of years.
Therefore they were called after

2065
01:59:24,880 --> 01:59:28,160
this holy order and were
sanctified, and their garments

2066
01:59:28,160 --> 01:59:29,760
were made white through the
blood of the Lamb.

2067
01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:32,280
So you have ordinances, you have
garments that are white.

2068
01:59:36,080 --> 01:59:38,400
Melchizedek, who was.
Also a high priest.

2069
01:59:38,400 --> 01:59:40,640
After the same.
Order of which I have spoken,

2070
01:59:40,680 --> 01:59:43,120
who also took upon him the High
Priesthood forever.

2071
01:59:43,640 --> 01:59:46,520
And it was the same Melchizedek
to whom Abraham paid tithes.

2072
01:59:46,520 --> 01:59:49,960
Yeah, even our father Abraham
paid tithes of 110th part of all

2073
01:59:49,960 --> 01:59:54,040
he possessed.
Now these ordinances were given

2074
01:59:54,040 --> 01:59:58,120
after this manner, that thereby
the people might look forward to

2075
01:59:58,120 --> 02:00:02,240
the Son of God, it being a type
of his order, and that they

2076
02:00:02,240 --> 02:00:06,240
might look forward to him to for
a remission of their sins, and

2077
02:00:06,240 --> 02:00:08,040
that they might enter into the
rest of the Lord.

2078
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:14,160
Then it goes on to describe the.
Melchizedek was king of the land

2079
02:00:14,160 --> 02:00:17,040
of Salem.
His people were wicked, and he

2080
02:00:17,040 --> 02:00:20,080
exercised mighty faith to
reclaim them, and he taught them

2081
02:00:20,080 --> 02:00:24,240
the gospel, right?
So we know that he's historical,

2082
02:00:24,840 --> 02:00:32,240
but it really asserts.
Hardcore temple liturgy.

2083
02:00:32,240 --> 02:00:38,320
Stuff all throughout here being
called or.

2084
02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:43,520
Ordained in the Holy Order.
With signs that you would be

2085
02:00:43,520 --> 02:00:45,480
shown to recognize the Savior
when He.

2086
02:00:45,480 --> 02:00:47,920
Came is what?
Is what he's saying right?

2087
02:00:50,680 --> 02:00:52,600
Ordinances were given after
this.

2088
02:00:52,600 --> 02:00:54,640
Manner that the people might
look forward.

2089
02:00:54,640 --> 02:00:57,480
On the Son of God, I would say
that has something to do with

2090
02:00:57,480 --> 02:00:58,960
the crucifixion.
I think so.

2091
02:01:01,600 --> 02:01:04,880
All right, so.
Melchizedek means king of

2092
02:01:04,880 --> 02:01:11,040
righteousness, right?
So Mulik, Mulik, Moloch, The

2093
02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:12,720
MLK.
Root means king.

2094
02:01:12,720 --> 02:01:16,920
In Hebrew and Zadok or Zedek,
you know Zadok was one of the

2095
02:01:16,920 --> 02:01:21,960
priests of David and Solomon.
But the ZDK root means

2096
02:01:21,960 --> 02:01:27,080
righteous.
This is Zedekiah right means

2097
02:01:27,080 --> 02:01:30,760
Jehovah is righteous.
Zadok just means righteous.

2098
02:01:31,840 --> 02:01:33,280
Or whatever.
I'm.

2099
02:01:34,600 --> 02:01:36,200
Sure, if I wanted to I.
Could think of others.

2100
02:01:40,600 --> 02:01:44,160
The Joseph Smith translation
seems to imitate or insinuate.

2101
02:01:44,160 --> 02:01:47,440
Also that after the city of
Enoch was translated,

2102
02:01:47,440 --> 02:01:50,640
Melchizedek city might have been
translated, it says.

2103
02:01:53,240 --> 02:01:55,000
And his people wrought
righteousness.

2104
02:01:55,000 --> 02:01:58,040
And obtained heaven.
And sought from the city of

2105
02:01:58,040 --> 02:01:59,480
Enoch, which God had before
taken.

2106
02:02:00,320 --> 02:02:03,200
And Melchizedek was called the
king of heaven by his people, or

2107
02:02:03,200 --> 02:02:04,520
in other words, the king of
peace.

2108
02:02:06,160 --> 02:02:08,240
So that also might be a
historical component.

2109
02:02:08,440 --> 02:02:09,720
Yeah, for this.
Time period.

2110
02:02:09,720 --> 02:02:10,760
Right.
Talking about the Tower of

2111
02:02:10,760 --> 02:02:14,640
Babel, the Jaredites, this is
all contemporary.

2112
02:02:14,640 --> 02:02:17,000
This is all happening in space
near each other.

2113
02:02:17,000 --> 02:02:22,000
Abraham Melchizedek, Nimrod, the
brother of Jared, This is all in

2114
02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:23,640
close space.
We don't know much.

2115
02:02:23,640 --> 02:02:26,480
So a lot's being compiled right
into this lesson.

2116
02:02:33,350 --> 02:02:38,920
Some people have pointed out
that you know in support of that

2117
02:02:38,920 --> 02:02:40,600
idea.
Of Melchizedek being translated

2118
02:02:40,600 --> 02:02:43,000
is the fact that it's.
Not a new idea from latter Day

2119
02:02:43,000 --> 02:02:44,680
St.
No, actually an old idea.

2120
02:02:44,800 --> 02:02:47,560
It is because you go back to the
Enoch literature that we went to

2121
02:02:47,640 --> 02:02:53,200
through.
Then you go into second Enoch.

2122
02:02:54,440 --> 02:02:57,000
You.
Find out.

2123
02:02:57,000 --> 02:03:01,080
That Melchizedek was.
Actually, born to, I think he

2124
02:03:01,080 --> 02:03:02,680
was.
He'll be Noah's nephew.

2125
02:03:03,720 --> 02:03:09,280
So, so Lamech had a son named
Nur, and so Noah and Nur were

2126
02:03:09,280 --> 02:03:12,120
brothers.
But, and well, interestingly

2127
02:03:12,120 --> 02:03:15,000
enough, Nur Nur is not the
father of Melchizedek.

2128
02:03:15,000 --> 02:03:22,920
But Nur's wife conceives,
miraculously I might add, and

2129
02:03:22,920 --> 02:03:24,680
Melchizedek is born.
And he's born.

2130
02:03:24,680 --> 02:03:26,560
Wearing the Robes of the High.
Priesthood.

2131
02:03:27,400 --> 02:03:29,720
And then the Archangel Michael
comes and takes him to heaven

2132
02:03:30,360 --> 02:03:32,240
and then drops him back on earth
after the flood.

2133
02:03:33,240 --> 02:03:35,800
Wow.
Yeah, That's that's that's the

2134
02:03:35,800 --> 02:03:37,960
story there.
Just.

2135
02:03:37,960 --> 02:03:41,040
Just the legend, so to speak.
Yeah, but it shows you that.

2136
02:03:41,160 --> 02:03:43,320
This idea of Melchizedek being
translated into.

2137
02:03:43,320 --> 02:03:47,480
Heaven is not not new, not not
unique to latter day St.

2138
02:03:47,480 --> 02:03:48,680
tradition, right?
And so that.

2139
02:03:48,680 --> 02:03:51,960
This one flies in the face of of
him being identified.

2140
02:03:51,960 --> 02:03:58,240
With Shem, right?
And there's there's.

2141
02:03:58,240 --> 02:04:00,840
Reasons for that?
There it kind of goes into this.

2142
02:04:00,840 --> 02:04:02,880
I don't know if I can articulate
it too well, but it goes back

2143
02:04:02,880 --> 02:04:04,600
into the sphere of what we
talked about with all the Dead

2144
02:04:04,600 --> 02:04:07,880
Sea Scroll stuff, right?
With like how they adopted Enoch

2145
02:04:07,880 --> 02:04:11,840
as the messianic figure that
would you know they're they're

2146
02:04:11,840 --> 02:04:14,080
staking a claim on authority.
That predates Moses.

2147
02:04:14,080 --> 02:04:17,760
Because the Levites in charge of
the apostate temple were

2148
02:04:18,160 --> 02:04:21,840
through, you know.
Through the Levite line.

2149
02:04:21,960 --> 02:04:29,200
And so they were staking on
Enoch and having a prophet,

2150
02:04:29,200 --> 02:04:32,040
priest or.
Angel, a divine being coming

2151
02:04:32,040 --> 02:04:33,680
back and.
Restoring the temple, restoring

2152
02:04:33,680 --> 02:04:36,960
them to the priesthood.
Older priesthood, yeah, they are

2153
02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:39,040
banking on that.
So it's similar ideas with

2154
02:04:39,040 --> 02:04:41,800
Melchizedek, right, Right.
So he factors in very much the

2155
02:04:41,800 --> 02:04:45,120
same way in Dead Sea Scroll
literature that we talked about

2156
02:04:45,120 --> 02:04:47,440
with Enoch.
You know there, there's so much

2157
02:04:47,440 --> 02:04:53,600
of this too, that you know.
It Brigham had had said of of

2158
02:04:53,600 --> 02:05:00,840
Genesis that it was a dark
saying, right, Yeah.

2159
02:05:00,840 --> 02:05:02,120
He does say that, yeah.
Moses.

2160
02:05:02,120 --> 02:05:04,200
Dark sayings, especially with
the rib allegory.

2161
02:05:04,200 --> 02:05:06,440
Right, right.
And Eve was created out of the

2162
02:05:06,440 --> 02:05:09,280
rib and and so sometimes.
With some of these extra.

2163
02:05:09,280 --> 02:05:13,520
Canonical stories like.
This, you have to look at it in

2164
02:05:13,520 --> 02:05:16,040
that sense, right?
They're trying to communicate

2165
02:05:16,040 --> 02:05:17,320
something.
Well, what are they?

2166
02:05:17,440 --> 02:05:20,360
Without giving everything away,
they are.

2167
02:05:20,360 --> 02:05:22,360
And so when you see this story
in second Enoch and

2168
02:05:22,360 --> 02:05:24,600
Melchizedek's born miraculously.
Right.

2169
02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:28,320
And what is it without Father?
Right.

2170
02:05:28,840 --> 02:05:33,960
Which then?
Is the this is the potential

2171
02:05:33,960 --> 02:05:36,000
origin for the explanation of
what it says in the book of

2172
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:40,320
Hebrews that was without father,
without mother, because they're

2173
02:05:40,320 --> 02:05:43,680
drawing on the source materials
they had for Melchizedek.

2174
02:05:43,960 --> 02:05:46,400
And we already know, or we, I
think we already talked about,

2175
02:05:47,240 --> 02:05:49,320
if we haven't, we're going to
talk about it, how Melchizedek

2176
02:05:49,320 --> 02:05:55,280
was the template for Christ.
Yeah, we have talked about that.

2177
02:05:55,280 --> 02:05:56,120
Yeah.
You know, we've talked about

2178
02:05:56,120 --> 02:05:57,520
that.
And also, and so was Enoch.

2179
02:05:57,520 --> 02:06:01,200
So you know, we talked about.
Now in the Enochian literature,

2180
02:06:01,760 --> 02:06:05,720
you know, Enoch sees this vision
of the Son of Man, you know, And

2181
02:06:05,720 --> 02:06:08,840
so anyone who had read.
Out in the desert or the dead?

2182
02:06:08,840 --> 02:06:11,280
Sea Scrolls, people were
circulating the book of Enoch.

2183
02:06:12,600 --> 02:06:16,520
Anyone who heard Christ say I am
the Son of Man knew what he was

2184
02:06:16,520 --> 02:06:18,480
saying.
Yep, I'm the Messiah.

2185
02:06:18,600 --> 02:06:21,560
Yep.
And you know, so he wasn't just

2186
02:06:21,560 --> 02:06:24,560
quoting Daniel about being the
son of Adam, right?

2187
02:06:24,720 --> 02:06:27,680
You know, no, he was, he was
making allusions.

2188
02:06:27,680 --> 02:06:28,760
To something else.
Right.

2189
02:06:28,760 --> 02:06:31,800
And so they also.
So the early Christians used.

2190
02:06:32,280 --> 02:06:35,000
The books of Enoch and this
other Melchizedek literature in

2191
02:06:35,000 --> 02:06:39,080
the Dead Sea Scrolls to beef up
their their beast for Christ.

2192
02:06:39,200 --> 02:06:42,520
Yep, saying that Christ was
ordained after the order of

2193
02:06:42,520 --> 02:06:43,760
Melchizedek.
Which was without.

2194
02:06:44,080 --> 02:06:47,360
Father or mother, right.
And then here there is, there's

2195
02:06:47,360 --> 02:06:50,520
the legend that right, kind of
illustrates that it's symbolic,

2196
02:06:50,600 --> 02:06:53,880
but it gives more context.
Yeah, it gives way more context

2197
02:06:54,400 --> 02:06:57,560
and kind of gives you a key.
That something bigger is going

2198
02:06:57,560 --> 02:07:01,160
on here than what's just in the
text.

2199
02:07:01,760 --> 02:07:03,520
This is going to get heavy.
Can we take a break for a

2200
02:07:03,520 --> 02:07:05,000
second?
OK, back at it.

2201
02:07:09,760 --> 02:07:14,160
Another thing that's interesting
is the temple is female.

2202
02:07:14,920 --> 02:07:15,800
Yes.
I don't know.

2203
02:07:15,800 --> 02:07:17,640
I don't know if I want to
expound on that too much.

2204
02:07:17,760 --> 02:07:21,400
No, we probably better not
because there's I think we'd be.

2205
02:07:21,400 --> 02:07:26,160
Getting into some, yeah, yeah.
But that also factors in with.

2206
02:07:26,240 --> 02:07:29,800
Being with the Melchizedekline
legend, right?

2207
02:07:29,880 --> 02:07:33,920
If, if he's born without father
or mother, you know, because

2208
02:07:34,480 --> 02:07:37,000
he's reborn in the temple
symbolically, right?

2209
02:07:37,120 --> 02:07:39,760
You know, that also fits.
That's what I want to say about

2210
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:42,880
that, right?
And the same goes for any other

2211
02:07:42,880 --> 02:07:44,560
person who attains to the same
position.

2212
02:07:44,600 --> 02:07:49,520
It's not just him, but it's
those who receive.

2213
02:07:51,560 --> 02:07:53,000
All the same promises.
Right.

2214
02:07:55,840 --> 02:07:58,520
Let's see.
So yeah, in second.

2215
02:07:58,520 --> 02:08:02,880
Enoch, you have.
This miraculous birth and he's

2216
02:08:02,880 --> 02:08:07,080
born, you know, in the, you
know, coming from the womb of

2217
02:08:07,080 --> 02:08:08,320
his.
Mother, you know.

2218
02:08:08,320 --> 02:08:16,440
But then in Psalm 110, the King
James, I've heard that.

2219
02:08:16,440 --> 02:08:19,640
This is a really tough.
Translation from the Greek is

2220
02:08:19,640 --> 02:08:23,000
the best way to understand it.
OK, which I don't speak Greek, I

2221
02:08:23,000 --> 02:08:27,240
don't want to so I don't like.
I'll try to do this justice, but

2222
02:08:29,400 --> 02:08:32,040
all I have is I looked at a
multitude of English

2223
02:08:32,040 --> 02:08:35,320
translations.
I looked at the ESV, the KG, the

2224
02:08:35,320 --> 02:08:38,400
King James, the NRSVI liked at a
lot of them.

2225
02:08:43,200 --> 02:08:48,720
But what section Psalms 110
talks about Melchizedek.

2226
02:08:48,720 --> 02:08:50,240
It's, you know, that whole
phrase.

2227
02:08:50,480 --> 02:08:53,800
Do I have a whole thing here?
I'll just read it for the King

2228
02:08:53,800 --> 02:08:58,600
James real quick.
The relevant parts, not the

2229
02:08:58,600 --> 02:09:01,520
whole thing.
OK, It's like 2 verses the

2230
02:09:01,520 --> 02:09:11,810
relevant parts.
Also, some people think Psalms

2231
02:09:11,810 --> 02:09:13,930
are the oldest part of the Bible
besides the book of Job.

2232
02:09:14,250 --> 02:09:17,850
Really.
Yeah, because Psalms, they say

2233
02:09:22,320 --> 02:09:25,920
is actually encapsulating.
In poetic form, the temple.

2234
02:09:25,920 --> 02:09:27,640
Liturgy from the First Temple
period.

2235
02:09:28,120 --> 02:09:31,840
Interesting.
And so the pretty much the rest.

2236
02:09:31,840 --> 02:09:34,680
Of the Old Testament is.
Second Temple period.

2237
02:09:35,040 --> 02:09:37,960
OK, I even, you know, taking
the.

2238
02:09:38,040 --> 02:09:43,600
The secular view.
Our current form of the

2239
02:09:43,640 --> 02:09:45,960
Pentateuch, the first five books
of Moses, weren't written until

2240
02:09:45,960 --> 02:09:47,800
after the Babylonian activity,
right?

2241
02:09:48,440 --> 02:09:50,560
So right when they're entering
the Second Temple, period.

2242
02:09:50,640 --> 02:09:54,240
OK, but Psalms are older and so
that's a.

2243
02:09:54,240 --> 02:09:55,520
Better way of looking.
At.

2244
02:09:56,320 --> 02:09:59,880
What?
Israelite religion looked like

2245
02:10:00,480 --> 02:10:01,440
before.
The.

2246
02:10:01,440 --> 02:10:06,400
Babylonian captivity.
OK, so they say.

2247
02:10:07,520 --> 02:10:10,200
So.
The Psalm of David.

2248
02:10:10,560 --> 02:10:12,520
So it's attributed to David.
That's first time period.

2249
02:10:12,960 --> 02:10:17,080
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit
thou at my right hand, until I

2250
02:10:17,080 --> 02:10:18,800
make thine enemies thy
footstool.

2251
02:10:20,640 --> 02:10:22,520
The Lord shall send the rod of
thy strength out of.

2252
02:10:22,520 --> 02:10:24,960
Zion ruled out.
In the midst of thine enemies,

2253
02:10:26,480 --> 02:10:30,120
thy people.
Shall be willing in the day.

2254
02:10:30,120 --> 02:10:32,440
Of thy power.
In the beauties of holiness from

2255
02:10:32,440 --> 02:10:35,360
the womb.
Of the morning thou hast the do

2256
02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:40,040
of thy youth.
Terrible translation, but it's

2257
02:10:40,040 --> 02:10:43,160
more like you're going to.
You.

2258
02:10:43,160 --> 02:10:48,600
Know the Lord or God says unto
you another God, sit on my right

2259
02:10:48,600 --> 02:10:53,040
hand, I'll make your enemies my
footstool, and you will come

2260
02:10:53,040 --> 02:10:57,560
arrayed in beautiful garments
out of a out of the womb of

2261
02:10:57,560 --> 02:11:01,640
dawn.
Interesting SO.

2262
02:11:01,920 --> 02:11:04,640
This has born again.
Imagery coming out.

2263
02:11:04,800 --> 02:11:07,680
Coming out of the womb, it has
the Melchizedek imagery that

2264
02:11:08,120 --> 02:11:10,240
talking about the second Enoch
stuff about Melchizedek being

2265
02:11:10,240 --> 02:11:15,440
born out of the womb of his
mother miraculously, right.

2266
02:11:15,440 --> 02:11:17,760
So some people have said that
this is David.

2267
02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:21,200
You know, or Christ?
You know, so it's symbolic

2268
02:11:21,200 --> 02:11:22,640
language of kingship.
Yep.

2269
02:11:23,240 --> 02:11:25,840
You know, being born out of the
the womb of the dawn or the womb

2270
02:11:25,840 --> 02:11:30,600
of the morning is another
translation, right, Which just

2271
02:11:30,600 --> 02:11:34,520
goes back to fitting Hebrews
saying Melchizedek was born

2272
02:11:34,520 --> 02:11:35,840
without father and without
mother.

2273
02:11:39,840 --> 02:11:43,960
Another tangent that's
interesting is an early Jewish

2274
02:11:43,960 --> 02:11:50,240
philosopher named Philo, who was
famous for constructing like the

2275
02:11:50,240 --> 02:11:55,000
Platonic theology of early
Christianity.

2276
02:11:55,000 --> 02:11:58,520
The early Christians adopted it.
And so it was late.

2277
02:11:58,600 --> 02:12:00,480
He was a Jew.
He wasn't a Christian, but he,

2278
02:12:00,480 --> 02:12:03,640
he coined the logos concept,
right?

2279
02:12:03,680 --> 02:12:07,040
The word, yeah.
So the word of God embodied,

2280
02:12:07,040 --> 02:12:11,440
right?
So he identified.

2281
02:12:11,440 --> 02:12:14,440
Melchizedek with the logos.
Interesting.

2282
02:12:14,600 --> 02:12:16,520
And so just.
Like with what we saw with

2283
02:12:16,560 --> 02:12:19,200
Enoch.
Is subsuming because in

2284
02:12:19,240 --> 02:12:23,920
Hellenistic Judaism they had to
remove the anthropological view

2285
02:12:23,920 --> 02:12:27,200
of God.
They needed an intercessor and

2286
02:12:27,200 --> 02:12:33,480
so the person became Michael or
this logos that's also.

2287
02:12:33,480 --> 02:12:35,680
Called not.
Christ.

2288
02:12:36,360 --> 02:12:39,960
Christ later by the Christians,
but Melchizedek by the Jews or

2289
02:12:39,960 --> 02:12:43,040
Enoch, right all all becomes
this figure.

2290
02:12:43,040 --> 02:12:47,040
That's the intermediate, the
mediator between humanity and

2291
02:12:47,040 --> 02:12:48,760
God, because God is.
Approachable, right?

2292
02:12:48,760 --> 02:12:50,520
Right.
So Enoch, Melchizedek, Michael,

2293
02:12:50,520 --> 02:12:55,520
they're all playing the same
role in these stories, right at

2294
02:12:55,520 --> 02:12:57,600
Kumran.
Which is the Dead Sea.

2295
02:12:57,600 --> 02:13:00,720
School, community, community.
This group was focused on ritual

2296
02:13:00,720 --> 02:13:03,440
purity and priestly activity, so
they were actually exiled

2297
02:13:03,440 --> 02:13:07,560
priests and they did a lot of
baptisms.

2298
02:13:07,560 --> 02:13:09,480
In fact, they did some.
Part, we don't know how

2299
02:13:09,480 --> 02:13:13,920
homogeneous the Qumran community
was, but we know a lot part of

2300
02:13:13,920 --> 02:13:17,920
them did ritual baptisms every
day really for a cleanliness.

2301
02:13:17,920 --> 02:13:24,800
Yeah.
And they were opposed to the

2302
02:13:24,800 --> 02:13:27,200
Levitical priesthood at the time
in Jerusalem.

2303
02:13:27,800 --> 02:13:31,720
And to remedy the situation like
we established, they had to

2304
02:13:31,720 --> 02:13:40,160
create a new priesthood claim
around a divine eschatological

2305
02:13:40,160 --> 02:13:44,640
priest who rules over the
judgment of the good and the

2306
02:13:44,640 --> 02:13:46,640
evil.
And this is precisely how a

2307
02:13:46,640 --> 02:13:52,960
document that the scholars say
they call it A11Q Melchizedek or

2308
02:13:53,000 --> 02:14:02,480
11. 11 Q is.
Called the.

2309
02:14:02,480 --> 02:14:04,840
Song of the Sabbath.
Sacrifice.

2310
02:14:05,200 --> 02:14:13,840
OK, there's also one Q.
Melchizedek one QM is the war

2311
02:14:13,840 --> 02:14:16,080
scroll which is the war.
The War of the Sons of Light

2312
02:14:16,080 --> 02:14:17,880
against the Sons of Darkness,
which is relevant.

2313
02:14:18,360 --> 02:14:25,280
And then there's one Q 20, which
is called the Genesis

2314
02:14:25,280 --> 02:14:27,960
Apocryphon, which has to do with
some Melchizedek stuff too.

2315
02:14:28,400 --> 02:14:31,200
It the Genesis Apocryphon is
basically like Genesis with more

2316
02:14:31,200 --> 02:14:34,240
commentary on stuff like
Melchizedek.

2317
02:14:34,320 --> 02:14:37,960
Yeah.
And so.

2318
02:14:39,480 --> 02:14:42,440
The song of the Sabbath.
Sacrifice describes Melchizedek

2319
02:14:42,440 --> 02:14:44,320
in the same manner.
The Enoch becomes the heavenly

2320
02:14:44,320 --> 02:14:48,640
scribe and guide, and
Melchizedek becomes the priest

2321
02:14:48,800 --> 02:14:54,560
in the heavenly temple OK, which
Michael also occupies in other

2322
02:14:54,600 --> 02:14:58,960
literature.
In fact, this has.

2323
02:14:58,960 --> 02:15:01,760
LED.
There's nothing.

2324
02:15:01,760 --> 02:15:05,920
Super explicit, but every
scholar is pretty much on board

2325
02:15:05,920 --> 02:15:11,120
with the idea that it seems that
the Qumran community type

2326
02:15:11,120 --> 02:15:12,560
people.
Equated Michael.

2327
02:15:12,560 --> 02:15:16,640
The Archangel and Melchizedek,
they all kind of complete.

2328
02:15:16,640 --> 02:15:17,840
Is that what you're saying?
Yeah, that they.

2329
02:15:17,840 --> 02:15:20,600
Equated the two.
And I will describe that in a

2330
02:15:20,600 --> 02:15:22,800
bit, so.
What I'm talking about here is

2331
02:15:22,800 --> 02:15:26,240
that Escheca escheological
Melchizedek versus the

2332
02:15:26,240 --> 02:15:32,120
historical Melchizedek.
OK, escheological meaning what?

2333
02:15:33,440 --> 02:15:35,960
End of times.
OK, so it's the end.

2334
02:15:35,960 --> 02:15:42,080
Times.
Prophecies, the prophets, you

2335
02:15:42,080 --> 02:15:47,280
know, that kind of stuff, for
example.

2336
02:15:47,280 --> 02:15:52,920
One of the scholars.
Argues that Melchizedek is

2337
02:15:52,920 --> 02:15:54,880
called a God in some of these
scriptures.

2338
02:15:56,800 --> 02:15:59,160
He's he's associated with the
word Elohim.

2339
02:15:59,160 --> 02:16:01,640
He's called, you know,
Melchizedek is called an Elohim

2340
02:16:03,440 --> 02:16:06,560
and he performed similar.
Tasks to Michael the.

2341
02:16:06,560 --> 02:16:13,800
Archangel and other literature,
for he is called in the sounds

2342
02:16:13,800 --> 02:16:15,120
of the Sabbath.
Sacrifice.

2343
02:16:15,480 --> 02:16:19,240
Melchizedek is called the Prince
of Light and the Prince of

2344
02:16:19,240 --> 02:16:20,960
Truth, I think, which is those
are also.

2345
02:16:20,960 --> 02:16:25,960
Titles for for.
Michael, but this is at the

2346
02:16:25,960 --> 02:16:27,440
actual text I'm going to.
Read some of this.

2347
02:16:28,200 --> 02:16:30,600
From the The song of the Sabbath
sacrifice.

2348
02:16:35,080 --> 02:16:38,639
It says and concerning what
scripture says in this.

2349
02:16:38,639 --> 02:16:42,480
Year of Jubilee you shall return
everyone of you your property to

2350
02:16:42,480 --> 02:16:47,320
your property and what is also
written quote and this is the

2351
02:16:47,320 --> 02:16:49,920
manner of remission every.
Creditor shall remit the.

2352
02:16:49,920 --> 02:16:52,600
Claim that is held against a
neighbor, not exacting it of a

2353
02:16:52,600 --> 02:16:54,200
neighbor who is a member of the
community.

2354
02:16:54,559 --> 02:16:59,360
Because Elohim's remission has
been proclaimed, the

2355
02:16:59,360 --> 02:17:01,719
interpretation is that is.
Is that it?

2356
02:17:01,719 --> 02:17:04,799
Applies to the last.
Days and concerns the captives,

2357
02:17:05,240 --> 02:17:09,559
just as Isaiah said to proclaim
the jubilee to the captives and

2358
02:17:09,559 --> 02:17:12,360
whose teachers have been hidden
and kept secret even from the

2359
02:17:12,360 --> 02:17:15,600
inheritance of Melchizedek, that
they are the inheritance of

2360
02:17:15,600 --> 02:17:19,160
Melchizedek, who will return to
to them, to what is rightfully

2361
02:17:19,160 --> 02:17:21,879
theirs.
He will proclaim to them the

2362
02:17:21,879 --> 02:17:25,600
Jubilee, therefore releasing
them from the debt of all their

2363
02:17:25,600 --> 02:17:29,040
sins.
This word will thus come in the

2364
02:17:29,040 --> 02:17:32,000
first week of the Jubilee period
that follows the 9 Jubilee

2365
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:34,240
periods.
Then the Day of Atonement shall

2366
02:17:34,240 --> 02:17:37,040
follow the end of the 10th
Jubilee period, when He shall

2367
02:17:37,040 --> 02:17:42,080
atone for all the Sons of Light
and all that are predestined to

2368
02:17:42,080 --> 02:17:47,200
Melchizedek upon them.
For this is the time decreed for

2369
02:17:47,200 --> 02:17:51,160
the year of Melchizedek's favor
for his hosts, together with the

2370
02:17:51,160 --> 02:17:54,799
holy ones of Elohim, for a
Kingdom of Judgement, just as it

2371
02:17:54,799 --> 02:17:59,480
is written concerning Him in the
Songs of David, which is what we

2372
02:17:59,520 --> 02:18:02,000
read in Psalms earlier.
Elohim has.

2373
02:18:02,000 --> 02:18:03,840
Taken.
Sorry, that's actually Psalms

2374
02:18:03,840 --> 02:18:07,559
82.
Elohim has taken his place in

2375
02:18:07,559 --> 02:18:11,040
the council of Elohim in the
midst of the Elohim judgment.

2376
02:18:11,600 --> 02:18:14,320
So he's saying Melchizedek is
the Elohim that holds counsel

2377
02:18:14,320 --> 02:18:16,080
with the Elohim and sits in
judgment.

2378
02:18:17,639 --> 02:18:19,840
Some exaltation going on there.
Scripture.

2379
02:18:19,840 --> 02:18:21,799
Also says about him.
Over it.

2380
02:18:21,799 --> 02:18:24,959
Take your seat in the.
Highest Heaven Elohim will judge

2381
02:18:24,959 --> 02:18:28,120
the peoples concerning what the
scripture says.

2382
02:18:28,160 --> 02:18:30,040
How long will you judge?
Unjustly.

2383
02:18:30,120 --> 02:18:31,799
And show partiality to the
wicked.

2384
02:18:32,600 --> 02:18:35,840
The interpretation applies to
Belial and the spirits

2385
02:18:35,840 --> 02:18:39,840
predestined to him, because all
of them have rebelled, turning

2386
02:18:39,840 --> 02:18:43,600
from Elohim's precepts and
becoming so utterly wicked.

2387
02:18:44,000 --> 02:18:46,559
Therefore Melchizedek will
thoroughly prosecute the

2388
02:18:46,559 --> 02:18:49,959
vengeance required by Elohim
statutes in that day.

2389
02:18:50,040 --> 02:18:53,680
He will deliver them from the
powers of Belial, and from the

2390
02:18:53,680 --> 02:18:55,799
powers of all the spirits
predestined to him.

2391
02:18:56,600 --> 02:18:59,400
Allied with him will be all the
righteous divine beings.

2392
02:19:00,480 --> 02:19:05,320
This is that which he is
decreed.

2393
02:19:05,320 --> 02:19:08,160
Through Isaiah the prophet
concerning all the captives in

2394
02:19:08,160 --> 02:19:10,320
as.
Much as the Scriptures say how

2395
02:19:10,320 --> 02:19:12,680
beautiful upon the mountains are
the feet of the messenger who

2396
02:19:12,680 --> 02:19:16,040
announces peace, and who brings
good news, and who announces

2397
02:19:16,040 --> 02:19:21,559
salvation, and who says your
Elohim reigns the Scripture's

2398
02:19:21,559 --> 02:19:24,799
interpretation.
Mountains are the prophets, they

2399
02:19:24,799 --> 02:19:27,680
who were sent to proclaim God's
truth and to prophesied all

2400
02:19:27,680 --> 02:19:29,520
Israel.
And the messenger is the

2401
02:19:29,520 --> 02:19:31,959
anointed of the Spirit of whom
Daniel spoke.

2402
02:19:32,760 --> 02:19:35,840
The messenger who brings good
news and who announces salvation

2403
02:19:35,840 --> 02:19:39,559
is the one whom is written to
proclaim the year of the of the

2404
02:19:39,559 --> 02:19:44,400
Lord or Jehovah's favor in the
day of vengeance of our Elohim.

2405
02:19:45,320 --> 02:19:49,560
To comfort all who mourn this
Scripture's interpretation, he

2406
02:19:49,560 --> 02:19:52,200
is to instruct them all about
the period of history for

2407
02:19:52,200 --> 02:19:55,280
eternity and in the statutes of
the truth.

2408
02:19:56,480 --> 02:19:58,520
So if you missed it, the
important part.

2409
02:19:59,200 --> 02:20:03,080
Here is.
That the the scroll of the

2410
02:20:03,080 --> 02:20:06,800
Sabbath sacrifice has
Melchizedek reading out of

2411
02:20:06,800 --> 02:20:13,880
Isaiah and Deuteronomy the same
text that Christ read in Galilee

2412
02:20:13,960 --> 02:20:17,240
in Nazareth, when he said in
this day is the Scripture

2413
02:20:17,240 --> 02:20:20,880
fulfilled in your in your ears?
I have been sent to proclaim

2414
02:20:20,880 --> 02:20:23,240
liberty to the captives and to
proclaim the day of the Lord's

2415
02:20:23,240 --> 02:20:27,440
favor.
But in this it says instead.

2416
02:20:27,440 --> 02:20:29,160
Of saying Jehovah's favor, the.
Lord's favor.

2417
02:20:29,160 --> 02:20:33,560
It's the day of Melchizedek's
favor, so it quotes that same

2418
02:20:33,560 --> 02:20:35,320
scripture but.
Inserts Melchizedek.

2419
02:20:35,320 --> 02:20:42,600
For Jehovah.
So what's its claim then?

2420
02:20:42,600 --> 02:20:44,800
When, When?
When it's coming to Melchizedek?

2421
02:20:44,800 --> 02:20:45,280
What?
What?

2422
02:20:45,280 --> 02:20:48,160
What are they claiming here?
They're just claiming.

2423
02:20:48,280 --> 02:20:51,320
I think that what 1.
The people writing this are

2424
02:20:51,320 --> 02:20:56,600
claiming 1A divine being is
coming and he and one the

2425
02:20:56,600 --> 02:20:58,200
interpretation.
That is commonly had.

2426
02:20:58,200 --> 02:21:02,120
Amongst the Jews is that the
Jubilee is just temporal, but

2427
02:21:02,120 --> 02:21:05,400
they're saying actually that
it's spiritual.

2428
02:21:05,400 --> 02:21:07,640
And he's saying that Melchizedek
will atone for the sins of the

2429
02:21:07,640 --> 02:21:11,440
people, and that's the Jubilee,
that's the debts being forgiven.

2430
02:21:12,960 --> 02:21:15,680
And so they're putting
Melchizedek in the Messianic.

2431
02:21:16,400 --> 02:21:19,520
Position before Christ because
this community existed 100 years

2432
02:21:19,520 --> 02:21:22,440
before.
Christ OK, so, so this is

2433
02:21:22,440 --> 02:21:27,600
prefiguring Christ's mission.
Is it prefiguring or they do

2434
02:21:27,600 --> 02:21:29,240
they?
Does this group literally

2435
02:21:29,240 --> 02:21:33,280
believe that Melchizedek is the
one that will atone for for

2436
02:21:33,280 --> 02:21:34,480
people?
I think it's a title.

2437
02:21:35,000 --> 02:21:37,080
OK, all right.
I think it's a.

2438
02:21:37,080 --> 02:21:41,280
Title and the I think so they're
looking at Melchizedek as a type

2439
02:21:41,280 --> 02:21:42,920
and shadow of the Christ to
come.

2440
02:21:43,040 --> 02:21:45,440
There's some interesting things
happening here for sure,

2441
02:21:45,440 --> 02:21:47,000
because.
I don't know.

2442
02:21:47,000 --> 02:21:49,880
We don't know a lot about these
Dead Sea Scrolls people at

2443
02:21:49,880 --> 02:21:53,440
Qumran, but a lot of scholars
say John the Baptist was

2444
02:21:53,440 --> 02:21:58,120
involved with them and Christ
was involved with them, and Luke

2445
02:21:58,200 --> 02:22:00,280
quotes that.
Scripture, Luke.

2446
02:22:00,280 --> 02:22:03,120
The in the Gospel, Luke is where
he recounts that Christ went to

2447
02:22:03,120 --> 02:22:05,720
Nazareth and they were 100 years
before the time of Christ.

2448
02:22:05,720 --> 02:22:09,880
Yeah.
It would make sense therefore.

2449
02:22:09,880 --> 02:22:12,680
In my opinion.
For to make the claim that

2450
02:22:12,680 --> 02:22:16,360
Christ is capitalizing on a
message that had already been

2451
02:22:16,360 --> 02:22:18,840
sent out to the people that they
would have been familiar with.

2452
02:22:19,840 --> 02:22:22,200
And that's probably why also
they're so upset with him.

2453
02:22:22,600 --> 02:22:26,720
Is because all.
The the sectarians under the

2454
02:22:26,720 --> 02:22:30,360
rule of the mainline, you know,
Judaic priests, we're not in

2455
02:22:30,360 --> 02:22:31,920
favor of that kind of
interpretation.

2456
02:22:32,720 --> 02:22:35,080
But if Christ is getting up
there and saying I am the one

2457
02:22:35,960 --> 02:22:38,920
who may are saying out there in
the desert that there's going to

2458
02:22:38,920 --> 02:22:41,280
be a person coming out and
saying your sins are forgiven

2459
02:22:42,120 --> 02:22:44,440
and that's the the real debt,
OK?

2460
02:22:44,880 --> 02:22:48,560
He's claiming that for himself.
OK, and they're using the.

2461
02:22:48,560 --> 02:22:52,720
Title of Melchizedek as a way.
Almost like a placeholder king

2462
02:22:52,720 --> 02:22:53,800
of righteousness.
Yeah.

2463
02:22:53,880 --> 02:22:55,880
OK.
OK.

2464
02:22:56,000 --> 02:22:58,120
All right.
So Melchizedek being a title.

2465
02:22:58,440 --> 02:23:00,640
Yeah.
OK, so.

2466
02:23:00,640 --> 02:23:04,520
So there is.
And this is where I think it it.

2467
02:23:05,320 --> 02:23:06,360
OK.
I'm just going to speak for

2468
02:23:06,360 --> 02:23:08,680
myself.
This is where it can confuse me

2469
02:23:08,680 --> 02:23:11,360
and I would assume it confused
maybe a few other people.

2470
02:23:11,360 --> 02:23:13,200
Yes, we should talk about that,
right?

2471
02:23:13,400 --> 02:23:16,200
Because.
We have.

2472
02:23:18,040 --> 02:23:20,960
Melchizedek the man and then.
We have the.

2473
02:23:21,120 --> 02:23:26,520
Melchizedek the title.
And so this group from 100 years

2474
02:23:26,520 --> 02:23:31,040
before Christ is looking for the
coming of the man who will bear

2475
02:23:31,040 --> 02:23:32,880
the title Melchizedek.
Yeah.

2476
02:23:32,880 --> 02:23:35,720
And I bring this up because King
of righteousness being Christ.

2477
02:23:35,840 --> 02:23:36,440
Yeah.
And I think.

2478
02:23:36,440 --> 02:23:37,560
It's important.
OK, one.

2479
02:23:37,560 --> 02:23:40,440
Because I just think it's.
Important to talk about Christ

2480
02:23:40,560 --> 02:23:44,880
in this sense, but also looking
at we don't have much on

2481
02:23:44,880 --> 02:23:48,080
Melchizedek like this is some of
the newest stuff the last 100

2482
02:23:48,080 --> 02:23:50,440
years that's come out.
This is all we have.

2483
02:23:51,120 --> 02:23:54,280
And so we have to kind of
backtrack after reading this and

2484
02:23:54,280 --> 02:23:58,960
extrapolate, right, what maybe
we can glean from the what does

2485
02:23:58,960 --> 02:24:05,000
this eschatological Melchizedek
reflect about the historical

2486
02:24:05,000 --> 02:24:06,120
one?
Right I.

2487
02:24:06,640 --> 02:24:08,840
Don't know if I have answers for
that, but I thought this was

2488
02:24:08,840 --> 02:24:09,920
fascinating.
And so I had to.

2489
02:24:09,920 --> 02:24:12,320
Include it, Absolutely.
That's fascinating.

2490
02:24:12,760 --> 02:24:16,880
And if if you're an Adam.
God believer, it does fit with

2491
02:24:17,680 --> 02:24:20,520
titles, right?
And it does.

2492
02:24:20,520 --> 02:24:24,720
It does follow that same motif
that we look at in the Adam God

2493
02:24:24,720 --> 02:24:30,040
doctrine with with Elohim,
Elohim being a title, Jehovah

2494
02:24:30,040 --> 02:24:33,840
being a title.
Wow, yeah.

2495
02:24:33,840 --> 02:24:37,640
And so in the scroll in the.
War of the Sons of Light.

2496
02:24:38,960 --> 02:24:40,440
Yeah.
Against the Sons of darkness.

2497
02:24:41,040 --> 02:24:42,880
Michael's fulfilling that rule,
right?

2498
02:24:42,880 --> 02:24:46,440
You know, again, you know, it's
Michael against Belial, you

2499
02:24:46,440 --> 02:24:48,960
know, which is Satan, right.
But in the in this song of the

2500
02:24:48,960 --> 02:24:51,360
Sabbath sacrifice, it's
Melchizedek against the right

2501
02:24:51,480 --> 02:24:54,160
Belial, right?
And it's Melchizedek performing

2502
02:24:54,160 --> 02:24:57,280
the atonement.
Bring the captives, you know, as

2503
02:24:57,280 --> 02:25:00,400
Christ said he would do.
Oh, OK, you know, and

2504
02:25:00,400 --> 02:25:04,320
proclaiming peace.
And Christ came on the scene and

2505
02:25:04,320 --> 02:25:06,320
said in this day the Scripture
is fulfilled.

2506
02:25:06,320 --> 02:25:10,920
But the this is profound to me
that there existed a line of

2507
02:25:10,920 --> 02:25:13,480
thought in this period of time
that that was already

2508
02:25:13,480 --> 02:25:16,200
established, That interpretation
was already established.

2509
02:25:16,200 --> 02:25:22,480
It was not mainline, right, you
know, but it was not novel and

2510
02:25:22,480 --> 02:25:26,040
it was, it would it predated
Christ and LED up to his

2511
02:25:26,040 --> 02:25:30,080
ministry and went before him and
allowed him to have his

2512
02:25:30,120 --> 02:25:32,200
successful ministry.
OK.

2513
02:25:32,560 --> 02:25:33,880
All right.
Now that's tracking.

2514
02:25:33,880 --> 02:25:37,320
Now I see where it's going.
I see what it's doing there.

2515
02:25:38,560 --> 02:25:40,480
That's deep stuff.
It is deep stuff.

2516
02:25:41,240 --> 02:25:42,320
You know and.
So.

2517
02:25:42,440 --> 02:25:46,560
It, it defeats the, the secular
and even Jewish, you know, the

2518
02:25:46,560 --> 02:25:49,200
Jewish apologist to this day,
you know, people like Mormons

2519
02:25:49,200 --> 02:25:52,160
will point out, you know, our
doctrine of the plurality of

2520
02:25:52,160 --> 02:25:55,240
gods and say, well, it says in
Psalms, you know, Elohim will

2521
02:25:55,240 --> 02:25:57,320
sit among the Elohim.
And they're like, well, that's

2522
02:25:57,320 --> 02:26:01,440
really just these.
The Elohim can also mean that

2523
02:26:01,440 --> 02:26:04,280
they're judges and they're
mortal men.

2524
02:26:04,960 --> 02:26:08,480
But this this interpretation
from the Dead Sea Scrolls does

2525
02:26:08,560 --> 02:26:11,720
not support that whatsoever.
Not one bit.

2526
02:26:12,320 --> 02:26:14,680
It prefigures Mormonism's
doctrine.

2527
02:26:14,680 --> 02:26:16,400
And early Christian doctrine,
right?

2528
02:26:16,440 --> 02:26:21,240
100% boy.
And there's a lot you can.

2529
02:26:21,240 --> 02:26:23,360
Go back and unpack from that.
It's all.

2530
02:26:23,360 --> 02:26:24,960
It's why.
The stuff was buried and hid

2531
02:26:24,960 --> 02:26:27,960
because this this.
It was too Christian for the

2532
02:26:27,960 --> 02:26:32,200
Jews to accept anymore, and then
the Christians philosophized it

2533
02:26:32,200 --> 02:26:35,040
away afterwards.
Yeah, and and they were hunting

2534
02:26:35,040 --> 02:26:36,880
things down and burning it and
destroying.

2535
02:26:36,880 --> 02:26:38,160
It and so it all had to be hid
away.

2536
02:26:40,120 --> 02:26:42,080
Yeah, and I'm sitting here
thinking about how.

2537
02:26:42,320 --> 02:26:44,600
All the ways.
It could it could work, right?

2538
02:26:44,600 --> 02:26:50,400
I mean, just for argument's
sake, if if shem is is

2539
02:26:50,400 --> 02:26:52,880
Melchizedek right?
Well, now.

2540
02:26:52,880 --> 02:26:56,480
All of a sudden.
That name Melchizedek becomes

2541
02:26:56,480 --> 02:27:00,280
more like a tiger, like Bishop,
right, Right.

2542
02:27:00,280 --> 02:27:02,920
And then?
Same thing with Christ when he

2543
02:27:02,920 --> 02:27:04,400
comes to.
Fulfill that role.

2544
02:27:05,080 --> 02:27:09,240
He's, you know, Jesus the.
Melchizedek, right?

2545
02:27:09,240 --> 02:27:10,400
Yeah, It's like, it's, Yeah,
it's like.

2546
02:27:10,400 --> 02:27:12,120
Saying the Son of Man, right?
Yeah.

2547
02:27:17,720 --> 02:27:21,320
Well, now and and now we have to
ask a question, right?

2548
02:27:24,040 --> 02:27:26,160
And this this carries.
Some implication.

2549
02:27:26,600 --> 02:27:29,920
So if that's the.
Case, then, do we take upon

2550
02:27:29,920 --> 02:27:33,280
ourselves as men when we
received the Melchizedek

2551
02:27:33,280 --> 02:27:35,640
priesthood?
Are there certain

2552
02:27:35,640 --> 02:27:39,960
responsibilities now that run
deeper that maybe we weren't

2553
02:27:39,960 --> 02:27:44,160
aware of at the beginning of, of
obtaining it, right?

2554
02:27:44,560 --> 02:27:47,440
Because the classic, the, the
classic thought here in

2555
02:27:47,440 --> 02:27:51,560
Mormonism is that the reason
and, and, and both can be true.

2556
02:27:51,560 --> 02:27:54,600
I want to say, right, It was
called the, the Melchizedek

2557
02:27:54,600 --> 02:27:58,440
priesthood to avoid the vain
repetition of God's name.

2558
02:27:58,640 --> 02:28:03,240
But maybe, maybe there's some
deeper connotation there that we

2559
02:28:03,240 --> 02:28:06,760
have to pay attention to, and
because it's got a sense of

2560
02:28:06,760 --> 02:28:09,280
foreshadowing of what we must
become.

2561
02:28:10,480 --> 02:28:12,960
Yeah.
To bear that priesthood not only

2562
02:28:12,960 --> 02:28:14,080
in.
The eternities, but I would.

2563
02:28:14,080 --> 02:28:18,320
Say, probably here because both
of the guys who carried that

2564
02:28:18,720 --> 02:28:22,040
title of Melchizedek had certain
things to do, right?

2565
02:28:22,360 --> 02:28:25,200
Melchizedek starts a city that I
believe was translated

2566
02:28:25,200 --> 02:28:30,080
correctly, correct?
Christ likewise performed some

2567
02:28:30,080 --> 02:28:37,360
pretty impressive things, right?
So it's it's got some.

2568
02:28:37,600 --> 02:28:40,760
Implications that are to.
Illustrate this what does King

2569
02:28:40,800 --> 02:28:42,600
What does King Benjamin do at
the.

2570
02:28:42,600 --> 02:28:45,880
Temple in Zerahemwah.
Yeah, there's all the people in

2571
02:28:45,880 --> 02:28:47,320
the temple.
And he says.

2572
02:28:47,600 --> 02:28:50,120
I want to make.
A covenant with you will you

2573
02:28:50,120 --> 02:28:52,960
covenant to take upon the name
of Christ, or take upon yourself

2574
02:28:52,960 --> 02:28:55,400
a new name, and the name shall
be Christ, right?

2575
02:28:57,600 --> 02:28:58,960
And so that equates.
Kind of.

2576
02:28:59,800 --> 02:29:02,480
You know this this.
Theme that Christ and the name

2577
02:29:02,480 --> 02:29:04,640
Melchizedek, though the name of
the that describes the

2578
02:29:04,640 --> 02:29:09,320
priesthood, are the same.
Well, and see now, now I'm

2579
02:29:09,320 --> 02:29:10,840
going.
To dive into some even deeper

2580
02:29:10,840 --> 02:29:12,680
stuff here, right?
And it's something that I've

2581
02:29:12,680 --> 02:29:17,720
thought about for a while, which
is we, we, we sit in sacrament

2582
02:29:17,720 --> 02:29:21,160
each week and we, we partake of
the sacrament, which is supposed

2583
02:29:21,160 --> 02:29:23,880
to take upon us the name of
Christ, right?

2584
02:29:23,880 --> 02:29:27,360
But we think of that as a
passive thing on our part,

2585
02:29:28,000 --> 02:29:31,080
right?
That it, it's kind of passive,

2586
02:29:31,080 --> 02:29:32,400
right?
We're we're going to remember

2587
02:29:32,400 --> 02:29:33,440
him.
We're, we're going to do the

2588
02:29:33,440 --> 02:29:38,080
best we can, but really we're
relying on him to cover us.

2589
02:29:38,120 --> 02:29:42,520
And I think that is true.
I think that's 100% true.

2590
02:29:43,480 --> 02:29:46,320
But it could be deeper in the
sense of but we have.

2591
02:29:46,320 --> 02:29:48,920
Stuff.
To do in addition to that

2592
02:29:48,920 --> 02:29:53,160
covering that's so interesting.
So covering I don't know if I

2593
02:29:53,200 --> 02:29:54,120
should.
Say this, but I'm probably

2594
02:29:54,120 --> 02:29:54,360
going.
To.

2595
02:29:54,360 --> 02:29:58,040
Anyways, let's see if I can find
it in the New Testament.

2596
02:29:58,720 --> 02:30:01,320
What is it covering, do you
know, or how?

2597
02:30:01,320 --> 02:30:03,760
How would you answer that?
So it depends on what we're

2598
02:30:03,760 --> 02:30:06,240
talking about, right?
I mean in the sense of.

2599
02:30:06,240 --> 02:30:11,320
Christ, it's that we're reliant
upon his, his atonement, right,

2600
02:30:11,480 --> 02:30:13,520
Right.
The Hebrew word for atonement is

2601
02:30:13,520 --> 02:30:16,480
kafir, which is cover, right?
It just means.

2602
02:30:16,480 --> 02:30:18,880
To the atonement's Latin, and it
means to become.

2603
02:30:18,880 --> 02:30:22,120
One but the.
Before Latin was being used in

2604
02:30:22,120 --> 02:30:27,520
the Old Testament, kafir was the
just to be covered, right?

2605
02:30:27,520 --> 02:30:33,160
Right.
And so.

2606
02:30:35,000 --> 02:30:37,080
The church I'll.
Do it this way the church has.

2607
02:30:37,080 --> 02:30:39,320
Recently.
I think because it's coming

2608
02:30:39,320 --> 02:30:41,400
under fire for garments and
other stuff like that, they've

2609
02:30:41,400 --> 02:30:45,000
recently, it's interesting
because they've said, well, the

2610
02:30:45,000 --> 02:30:48,040
garments are a symbol of your
covenants with Christ and it's a

2611
02:30:48,040 --> 02:30:51,480
symbol of the atonement.
That's actually a fairly new

2612
02:30:52,880 --> 02:30:55,320
line of thinking for the church,
right?

2613
02:30:55,320 --> 02:30:59,040
But it's actually not wrong.
No, because what are you doing

2614
02:30:59,040 --> 02:31:02,120
when you place?
I mean, what do you cover with

2615
02:31:02,120 --> 02:31:03,720
the garment?
You're nakedness.

2616
02:31:04,080 --> 02:31:06,280
Well, your body, yeah, you're
just, you're covered, right?

2617
02:31:06,440 --> 02:31:08,960
So yeah, so they've.
Made that connection right, the

2618
02:31:08,960 --> 02:31:10,680
church to defend it, and it's
right.

2619
02:31:10,720 --> 02:31:14,920
It's 100% correct.
Paul the apostle.

2620
02:31:17,400 --> 02:31:18,760
I don't know if I'm going to
have commentary.

2621
02:31:18,760 --> 02:31:20,920
On this this is loaded though,
so anyone who has.

2622
02:31:20,960 --> 02:31:23,240
Ears to hear or eyes to see can
see or hear.

2623
02:31:23,240 --> 02:31:27,240
But OK, Paul in the last few
verses of the his epistle to the

2624
02:31:27,240 --> 02:31:31,760
Galatians, when he's talking
about circumcision and whether

2625
02:31:31,760 --> 02:31:34,080
it's necessary to be circumcised
and all that, because that's a

2626
02:31:34,080 --> 02:31:37,160
covenant of God's people, right,
right, or was.

2627
02:31:38,120 --> 02:31:42,560
And then he says, from
henceforth, let no man trouble

2628
02:31:42,560 --> 02:31:47,160
me, assuming trouble me about
this, right?

2629
02:31:47,440 --> 02:31:50,560
For for henceforth let no man
trouble me, for I bear in my

2630
02:31:50,560 --> 02:31:52,440
body the marks of the Lord
Jesus.

2631
02:31:55,960 --> 02:31:59,600
And so what's he wearing or what
are the marks that?

2632
02:31:59,600 --> 02:32:05,920
He bears in his body.
What did the mark symbolize?

2633
02:32:06,360 --> 02:32:12,440
How many markings are there?
How many characters are in the

2634
02:32:12,440 --> 02:32:18,800
name of Christ?
I want to say how many name?

2635
02:32:18,880 --> 02:32:20,760
How many characters are in the
name Jehovah?

2636
02:32:21,600 --> 02:32:23,680
Yeah.
See, there is so much I want to

2637
02:32:23,680 --> 02:32:25,320
talk about on this.
But because it's on a.

2638
02:32:25,320 --> 02:32:30,360
Podcast yeah, I can't get into
it right but there's some other

2639
02:32:30,360 --> 02:32:34,920
things that go along with that
that I think could be applicable

2640
02:32:34,920 --> 02:32:38,280
to that in the realm of
ordinances they are and and so

2641
02:32:40,240 --> 02:32:43,800
taking upon the new name that's.
Christ taking upon.

2642
02:32:43,800 --> 02:32:48,520
Yourself, as Paul says, the the
marks you know I bear in my

2643
02:32:48,520 --> 02:32:53,240
body, that marks the Lord Jesus
Christ taking upon yourself the

2644
02:32:53,280 --> 02:32:56,200
holy priesthood, the name of
Melchizedek, though these things

2645
02:32:56,200 --> 02:33:02,880
are all interrelated.
Yeah, who I.

2646
02:33:02,920 --> 02:33:06,280
I honestly dude, I don't know
how much like if I'm.

2647
02:33:06,280 --> 02:33:08,200
Afraid if I start talking.
I'm No, I'm done.

2648
02:33:08,400 --> 02:33:10,880
I'm done.
We can end it right here if I

2649
02:33:10,880 --> 02:33:11,640
start.
Talking.

2650
02:33:11,840 --> 02:33:14,480
I'm going to say things that I
should not say, yeah.

2651
02:33:16,440 --> 02:33:18,720
Go to the temple everybody,
please.

2652
02:33:18,720 --> 02:33:21,200
Go to the temple and.
This will make sense.

2653
02:33:21,200 --> 02:33:23,400
It will make sense.
I'm sorry for speaking cryptic.

2654
02:33:23,400 --> 02:33:26,920
All I have to say is.
The gospel is true, the book is

2655
02:33:26,920 --> 02:33:31,680
blue, and Jesus was a Mormon.
Yep, Yep, absolutely.

2656
02:33:32,360 --> 02:33:34,400
It's pretty good.
The book was blue.

2657
02:33:35,600 --> 02:33:38,440
Very good.
Well dude, this has been

2658
02:33:38,440 --> 02:33:40,160
awesome.
Thanks.

2659
02:33:40,520 --> 02:33:42,880
This has been awesome.
So what?

2660
02:33:42,880 --> 02:33:44,280
Where, where?
You going from here?

2661
02:33:44,280 --> 02:33:47,160
There's been some discussion
about this could be the last

2662
02:33:47,160 --> 02:33:49,880
one, it might not be the last
one where maybe you should

2663
02:33:49,880 --> 02:33:51,520
address that.
Yeah, I've just been kind of

2664
02:33:51,520 --> 02:33:53,680
bogged down lately.
And I've been having trouble.

2665
02:33:53,720 --> 02:33:56,960
I've been having trouble just
staying on top of this content

2666
02:33:56,960 --> 02:34:00,560
dude, So deep stuff, right?
It's and look for labor of love.

2667
02:34:00,880 --> 02:34:02,800
And I'm grateful for the time to
be able to.

2668
02:34:02,840 --> 02:34:05,360
I wouldn't have.
On my own, I wouldn't have gone

2669
02:34:05,360 --> 02:34:07,560
into the Dead Sea Scrolls at the
Book of Enoch stuff like I've,

2670
02:34:07,840 --> 02:34:10,880
I've learned so much from that.
Well, and it's a heavy lift,

2671
02:34:10,880 --> 02:34:12,760
right?
Because like each one of your

2672
02:34:12,760 --> 02:34:14,440
packets.
There that you give out in your

2673
02:34:14,440 --> 02:34:17,360
classroom they're like 20 pages
long Yeah, this one, right yeah,

2674
02:34:17,400 --> 02:34:19,960
it is.
And so I get that it's a heavy.

2675
02:34:19,960 --> 02:34:21,680
Lift so there's no judgements
dude.

2676
02:34:22,360 --> 02:34:24,560
But inquiring mind, you're going
to want to know.

2677
02:34:24,920 --> 02:34:28,640
Yeah, I think.
I think this will be.

2678
02:34:29,560 --> 02:34:33,200
I'm not entirely committed.
I'm not entirely decided, OK,

2679
02:34:33,200 --> 02:34:36,400
I'm 90% sure that this will be
the last one for a while on this

2680
02:34:36,400 --> 02:34:40,600
subject.
There are other projects that

2681
02:34:40,600 --> 02:34:44,680
I'm working on that Dave and I
will be talking about.

2682
02:34:44,880 --> 02:34:48,440
And I've, I've, I've tasked
Michael, I've added to his

2683
02:34:48,440 --> 02:34:52,720
stress.
And those will be coming.

2684
02:34:52,720 --> 02:34:58,600
When they're ready and you guys
can wonder about that, Yep, Yep.

2685
02:34:59,000 --> 02:35:03,760
Just know it'll be good stuff.
But dude, these, these have been

2686
02:35:03,760 --> 02:35:07,400
awesome.
And and look, here's what I'd

2687
02:35:07,400 --> 02:35:08,880
say.
Don't give up.

2688
02:35:08,880 --> 02:35:12,680
On it entirely.
Even if you do 1A year, right?

2689
02:35:12,680 --> 02:35:14,480
Oh, sure.
No, Yeah, we could.

2690
02:35:14,480 --> 02:35:16,440
I mean, I wanted to do Abraham
more.

2691
02:35:16,520 --> 02:35:17,680
Because there's so much on
Abraham.

2692
02:35:17,680 --> 02:35:18,760
We touched on that a little
today.

2693
02:35:18,760 --> 02:35:20,640
That was actually completely
unintentional.

2694
02:35:20,640 --> 02:35:23,760
It just came up because of
Nimrod and all the stuff we have

2695
02:35:23,760 --> 02:35:25,240
on.
A lot of the stuff on Nimrod is

2696
02:35:25,240 --> 02:35:28,640
Abraham, but there's so much
more on Abraham to do.

2697
02:35:30,160 --> 02:35:34,360
And you know, for example, I
probably would have done one

2698
02:35:34,360 --> 02:35:35,480
actually.
On Abraham.

2699
02:35:35,480 --> 02:35:39,560
Isaac and Jacob together.
You kind of have to and it would

2700
02:35:39,560 --> 02:35:42,360
have been awesome.
There's really cool.

2701
02:35:42,360 --> 02:35:45,800
Stuff there, but we're going to
have a we're going to have to

2702
02:35:45,800 --> 02:35:47,680
hold off on that, yeah.
Yeah, you got other?

2703
02:35:47,680 --> 02:35:50,080
Stuff you're working on and and
whatnot.

2704
02:35:50,080 --> 02:35:52,920
So how about this?
How about this is it for now?

2705
02:35:52,960 --> 02:35:55,360
This is it for now.
OK, perfect.

2706
02:35:56,000 --> 02:35:58,400
Awesome.
Well, dude, I'm looking forward

2707
02:35:58,400 --> 02:36:01,480
to your next big thing.
Yeah, me too.

2708
02:36:01,880 --> 02:36:03,400
It'll be good.
So.

2709
02:36:04,160 --> 02:36:06,560
All right, dude, I always enjoy
this.

2710
02:36:06,560 --> 02:36:07,480
I love you.
I'm.

2711
02:36:07,480 --> 02:36:09,520
I'm glad to have these
conversations with you.

2712
02:36:09,920 --> 02:36:11,120
Appreciate it.
So likewise.

2713
02:36:11,320 --> 02:36:13,120
All right.
Bye everybody.

2714
02:36:43,560 --> 02:36:46,360
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