Episode #163 Evidence For The Heartland Model W/Rod Meldrum

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Man, I am super excited to drop
this episode today.

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I think you're gonna really like
this.

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There are some things in
Mormonism there, just plain fun

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to talk about debate and study
about one of those topics is

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Book of Mormon, geography, ideas
and theories.

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Meaning, where did the events of
the Book of Mormon?

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Take place?
Now, while there are many ideas,

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there's really two, that draws
the most attention.

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One is the Mesoamerican model
and the other is a Heartland

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model.
Today is all about the Heartland

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model and that's where there's
this idea that the Book of

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Mormon took place in the
heartland of America.

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And we talked about this Theory,
one man, stands above all other

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in that field and his name's Rod
Meldrum, and lucky for us.

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He agreed to come on the podcast
today to have a conversation

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about the Heartland model, the
results are four and a half

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hours of evidence ringing from
covenants to descriptions of the

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land.
In the Book of Mormon itself to

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physical evidence things Joseph
Smith had said, and finally to

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ceremonial structures in the
heartland of America.

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That if you've been in doubt,
might remind you of a few

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things.
Now while you can certainly get

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a lot from this episode By just
listening, I strongly encourage

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you to head, over to the Mormon,
Renegade Channel at rumble.com.

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So you can see all the pictures
and slides and get the full

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effect.
Get ready for an absolutely

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epic.
Mine blowing conversation on

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this episode of the Mormon,
running Aid podcast,

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listening to the more Renegade
podcast.

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Rod Meldrum, the man, the myth,
the legend, dude.

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It's so it's so good to talk to
you again, you know, it's, it's

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a pleasure to be here with you.
Dave, I've enjoyed our last It's

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been a while since we did one.
I it was it was last summer it

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was right after the sale of like
Kirkland and some of those sites

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in Nauvoo and that was the first
time we got to got to speak on

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air and I I mean I absolutely
had a blast and well that was

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just doing her thing, right?
That's it.

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We're just having a
conversation.

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There's no before we get into
the evidence like How did you

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get into this, right?
Because you're like, to my

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knowledge we know that Sorensen
did some work in South South and

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Central America, and that was
kind of his model. but like, The

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kind of the original
understanding of the Book of

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Mormon, especially when you look
at some quotes by Joseph Smith,

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the one when he's on Zion's
Camp, March come to mind.

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But really there's a long Gap in
history within the church.

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And with the Mormonism in
general that oh it happened in

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South America.
So what got you going here on

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the Heartland model to begin
with?

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But really, I have to give
credit to my parents, you know,

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it's kind of like Nephi of old,
you know, I was born of goodly

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parents, and my dad served a
mission and the central State's

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Mission and search.
For three years, didn't have a

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single convert baptism.
And he came back kind of

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dejected went to buy a Academy
in my mom.

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She's from Saint Louis.
Okay, and they just had, you

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know what if we can't my dad
said, if I can't have any, you

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know, converts to the church,
you know, my mission, maybe I

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can raise up a few.
So my mom and dad were really

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committed.
I mean I have to give, you know,

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complete credit to them.
You know that they they follow

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the gospel.
We got up every morning, we had

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scriptures, I read the book and
where in the family with my

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family, probably, you know, a
dozen times before I even got to

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be, you know, about 16 or 17
years old.

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They always encouraged us to do
that.

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I had these these cassette
tapes.

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Remember, those of you are old
enough to remember what a

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cassette tape, you're not trying
to cassette tape is that and

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they had these dramatized
things.

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So I really grew up learning and
knowing the stories and some of

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the doctrines and every time we
would read this, and I would

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read these parts about, you
know, how they come to a

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promised land and how they know,
they're just promised land is a

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land of liberty and they talked
about it being it, you know, in

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the in the future it would be a
mighty Gentile Nation about all

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other nations.
They talk about all these

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different things like grew up.
I just kind of assumed that gosh

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you know that's sounds like the
United States to me. you know,

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and so that then I started going
to that Seminary and Institute

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and so forth and started being
taught this information about

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Central America and how down and
you know got Tamela and southern

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Mexico, there was these amazing
civilizations and things and so

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I thought well, I'm good with
that.

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You know, there are lot smarter
than I am, just a, you know, a

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junior high school kid or high
school kid.

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And so they must have you know a
lot smarter people than me.

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I figured this out.
So I just kind of assumed that

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was a case. and then, it kind of
came down to Just after the 2000

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to Olympics, and Salt Lake City.
And there was a bunch of There

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was, there was a couple of
German reporters that were

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interviewing the president
Hinckley.

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At the time of the Salt Lake
Church basically and and they

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said, what's going to be your
Church's position when DNA and

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Ellis is shows that there's no
evidence for the Book of Mormon.

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And, and I saw, you know, I was
at one of the conferences and I

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saw these huge banners and said,
you know, DNA principals and and

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actually it's kind of
interesting because that

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President hinckley's response
was really kind of it was was

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telling he said he says that
this German reporter said what's

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going to be your Church's
position, right?

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and, and, And his response was
that hasn't been established

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yet.
Nobody knows the answer to that

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yet.
Not at this point.

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It turns out that that was
actually a pretty pretty

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accurate statement, but it comes
down to it because that was in

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2002.
It was in the talent about 2003.

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When when articles began coming
out in mainstream scientific

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journals talking about how there
was this new, what they call a

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haplo group or haplotype and
that the found that they just

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instead of being Asiatic which
which was the whole problem.

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A lot of people don't know what
the whole what was the entire

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premise of showing, you know,
saying that the DNA could prove

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the Book of Mormon and the
premise basically was really

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simply David and then that is
that If the Book of Mormon was

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correct and you have a group of
people who come over there

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basically Israelites.
They come over to the Americas

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and and they they you know,
survive for a thousand years and

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so forth and in there and even
the lame rights continued on up

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until the present day.
So so where is the Israelite

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DNA, right?
And when they sequence, the DNA

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from from civilizations up and
down, you know, the from the

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Elizabeth in Alaska down to, you
know, Central and South America,

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they found that they were
primarily Asian attic.

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DNA types.
In other words, that the DNA

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markers that are in their in
them have markers, that actually

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harken back to Asian population.
So, not And not, you know,

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Hebrew or Caucasian populations,
right?

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So that's really where.
The kind of the the cracks of

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where I kind of got started with
this whole thing is I started

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researching.
I was working with Dean sessions

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and Universal model project, the
scientific information and had

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access to some of the top
research libraries in the

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country.
So we started, I started doing

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kind of Deep dive into the
genetics part of it and and that

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I found out that in 2003 these
articles started coming out.

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Talking about this happened
group X.

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It's a A lineage that isn't
found in Asian populations, but

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it is found in modern
populations in the in the druze

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population over in Israel.
It's in the Ashkenazi Jews.

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It's one of the astronauts of
Jesus, the largest population of

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Jews on the planet, right?
In the Sephardic Jews, the

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Libyan Jews Moroccan Jews.
Always, diverse, Jewish

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populations around the planet.
Have this particular five

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markers.
They're in the DNA and I was

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like, well, holy cow.
Look, I'm nobody's saying

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anything about that, you know,
so right, probably because the

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existing South Central American
model, right?

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Yeah, yeah.
And and that's really, really

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what the red was is that people
were saying, well, this this

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proves the book and I will just
have to say that the onset that

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I have a bias and I'm going to
admit that right now and that is

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that I already know.
The Book of Mormon is true from

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a spiritual standpoint.
But because I know it's too

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spiritually, it's got to be
true.

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Physically.
I mean, you know, the book of

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talks about, you know, massive
civilizations that you know that

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are, they're just not going to
disappear.

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Into the into the night kind of
thing.

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You know, it's just that they
just They're too big to actually

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just completely have no evidence
for them.

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And so I thought well where's
the evidence?

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Where is the evidence?
And so that's really kind of

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what started me.
I had.

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I had a young man, I was a young
man's leadership and our and our

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board there and And that this
young man of us ready to go on a

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mission, right?
Thought he was and he wasn't

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going for some reason.
I thought, well, what why,

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what's going on with him?
You know why?

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Why is he not going?
And then we helped their family

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move, and his mom showed up at
my home, a few know, just a

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couple of weeks after we helped
him move, and she had this DVD

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in her hand.
The DVD says she is DVD.

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She said, brother, you do
scientific research, right?

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I said, yeah, that's true.
And and she says, well you you

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need to watch this.
Looked at I recognized it to me,

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it was called DNA versus The
Book of Mormon.

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And so, I knew what it was.
I said, so why do I need to

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watch this?
She says, because it's true, and

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she was in the process of taking
her self and her family out of

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the church at the time.
So became a personal personal

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thing to me because this is a
wonderful young man.

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You know that camp out together
so forth.

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And I knew he had at least some,
you know, understanding The Book

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of Mormon and so forth, but it's
just it was just it was kind of

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heartbreaking for me.
So anyway, So I started doing

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this deep dive and started to
find out this information on the

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DNA side which is all
interesting and so forth.

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But there's but the problem is
that there's no way you can you

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can you can't really prove the
DNA for absolute certainty

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because we don't even know.
You know what what is smells you

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know?
Wife's name is, you know, are

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really There's what their DNA
looks like.

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We don't have any samples from
Lehigh or Soraya or Ishmael or

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whatever, but we can tell who
they're not.

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I mean, we know that they're not
Asiatic, they're not from the

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from, if you have Noah's sons,
we're going to get into that

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just a second.
But Noah has the three three

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sons him, and japheth, and ham
married egiptus.

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And that's where the, the
African race basically.

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Made it through Noah's flat and
we have Jake with and he was

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blessed by Noah that that his
butt and they became the age yet

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people's of the earth.
And then you have Shem and we

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know that Lehigh and his family
comes down through the semis

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semites, right?
And so that's basically you

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know, so we know that part of it
and the primary problem was is

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that the the, the genetics of
the people that in Central and

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South America, the Mayans and
the old next hole sex and so

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forth, where Prime?
early Asiatic at least from

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their DNA, Wow, that doesn't go
for the Book of Mormon, right?

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So, so, this, this was the
problem that we have here.

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So, anyway, so long story short,
is that the Clients that started

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doing this DNA research and
thought well, okay, so we have a

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potential, you know, at least
this DNA type is not, you know,

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Asiatic.
It's it's that it's actually

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from the Middle East and they
can show you that.

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But then people say well, but it
showed up here like, you know,

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40,000 years ago and then they
revised that to about 20 to

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23,000 years ago and then they
revised it to like 12,000 years

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ago, but all depends on the
dating that you do in the DNA.

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And again, that Dave, we kind of
talked about this.

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I'm not gonna do a deep dive on
the DNA, part of it, because

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we've done that right places.
But this is just kind of how I

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got kind of started and that led
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about all this.
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Because about, because of
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sensation.
I mean Joseph Smith had more

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actual face-to-face
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prophets than anyone, right?
And this is sensation and he

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probably knew more about it.
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said that he would even before
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so much and told so much by
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Angel Moroni basically that he
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in the evenings, they'd get
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about the civilization.
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and the animals that they wrote
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they're still in so forth.
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lot about the incident,
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where man, before he even
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So I wanted to know.
Okay, what did he know?

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And that led to a deep dive in
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started fighting out, you know,
why the Maceo America theory has

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kind of helped way because we
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Seasons articles.
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the deep in these times and
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But turns out that Jonathan
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really kind of unravel.
The whole mesoamerica thing

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because everybody wants to know
if Joseph Smith you know, he had

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about six different A historical
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specifically, claimed Revelation
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geography.
The Book of Mormon, they're

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pretty much irrefutable.
And yet somehow, we just ignore

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those and then we continue this
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America stuff.
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to like talk to a different
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Who've been heavily involved in
the meso America setting for the

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Book of Mormon.
They've they said, well, the

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reason why we're trying to be
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Joseph Smith said that the times
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talked about kind of Gua and and
other other locations in Central

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America, as being the sights
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And, and just didn't make any
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Revelation.
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North America and then and then
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come out, And I started noticing
something that kind of Seasons

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articles were not signed by
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They were signed Ed for editor
and, and anyway, so we started

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doing a deep dive on that.
And we've got a lot of

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information that we've that
we've recovered, but basically,

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just in a nutshell, we found
that those articles were written

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by what the guy that we call the
Smoking Gun.

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You remember the Smoking Gun?
Yeah, it is Dave, I don't.

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Okay, that's, that's a
Winchester Benjamin Winchester.

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That's what we calling the
smoking again.

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Nice.
Nice, nice.

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Turns out that Benjamin
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Was quite an interesting
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and he was quite a zealot.
He really wanted to bring people

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in fact, I think Somewhere, we
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He had almost 240 converts in
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So he was a missionary
missionary Powerhouse.

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And and his dad was really close
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that Joseph was coming to stay
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for.
So he got to know just myth

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prettier.
He was one of the youngest guys

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on Zion's Camp.
He was 16 years old when he had

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his father.
Joined Zion's camp.

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Oh, and with Joseph, and they
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So this is a guy that's a pretty
you know he's not really well

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known in church history but he
did do quite a few things he was

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called on a mission to go over
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He went over for a couple of
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and then he basically just
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back.
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He was in.
He started a He was a bishop of

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the church actually there in
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And then he began having these
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This is where it gets
interesting here.

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Dave.
Hey, you're folks will like

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this.
Because this is, this is all

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been verified historically by
Jonathan Neville and a couple of

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books that he has out there when
it's called the city of Sarah

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hema.
But basically what happened was

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is that so he he started, he got
into a series of debates within

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kind of Evangelical if you will
Minister's in the Philadelphia

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area.
And it was doing really well.

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In these debates.
He's actually, you know, a lot

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of people considering that he
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these debates with his, with his
logic and things.

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And then it got to the point
where they started asking well

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this book and where I'm at talks
about a highly Advanced people,

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highly civilized they had roads
and they had cities and they

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had, you know, a written
language and all these different

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things and they were doing
snowing and they had metals and

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things and and so they were
asking him.

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So Who is it?
Who, who are, who would, who

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were the Knights?
Who were they?

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And who are they modern day.
But I said they're left over.

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It turns out that he didn't
really have a great answer at

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first.
Okay, but just prior to this

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time there was a couple of guys
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catherwood.
Frogging my throat here, good.

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But the Stevenson Cathy what had
gone down to there a couple of

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explorers they had gone down to
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and he started to explore some
of these amazing rules that are

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just covered with jungle and
it's just really kind of exotic

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you know and kind of interesting
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books series called instance of
traveling Central America.

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As John Lloyd Stevens and
Stephen Catherine, and, and they

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began a book tour.
In fact, it was one of the very

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first ever that this book.
This book, two billion book set

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was that very first ever what
they call New York Times

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bestselling book, then you are,
okay?

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Just gotten going.
And this was their first book

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that they kind of got me high.
And and these and these two guys

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were going up and down the East
Coast doing presentations and

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selling the books.
Interesting.

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Well, so so Benjamin Winchester
ended up hearing about this, and

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he went to one of their they
came to Philadelphia.

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And they went to their
presentation about this ancient,

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you know, hidden civilization
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And he became like, oh my gosh.
This is the evidence that I need

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to be able to Prevail in these
In these debates that we're

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having.
Okay.

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And so he started and he also
realized something really

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important.
He said, if I can just connect

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the Book of Mormon to this New
York Times bestselling book set.

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How awesome would that be to be
able to tell people that that

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books, that everybody's so
excited about here in America?

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It's the Book of Mormon Right.
Right.

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It's interesting that that
starts out from a good place,

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right?
It doesn't start out from trying

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to be, um, Oh insincere with the
evidence or anything like that.

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It's it's a guy trying to to,
you know, back up the claims of

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the Book of Mormon Yes, because
he's so eager.

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Right?
And I think, I think this is a

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great Point here, right?
That sometimes, and as people of

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Faith, all over the place,
right, this isn't just a Mormon

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issue.
This is, this is kind of a

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people of Faith problem.
No matter what you're done

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denomination, or flavor of
Christianity is We will

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absolutely sometimes Guam on
some stuff because we think it

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proves our point.
Well, it doesn't and then we're

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left kind of holding the bag
there a little bit going well,

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now, what it do Yeah.
It's basically it's a

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confirmation by us.
Yep we started off and we're all

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guilty of this.
I mean everybody could does it

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basically we start off with the
premise that okay.

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We think this is what it is and
then we go out and find the

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evidence that supports it but we
ignore the evidence that doesn't

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support it right?
Right.

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Absolutely yep.
So what happened was that?

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So Benjamin Winchester, he began
to Prevail in these in these, in

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these arguments against the book
of Romans, because, whenever

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they said, who are you talking
about this?

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These ignorant Savages here.
That they, that's what they call

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them here in North America and
even that has some interesting

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background as far as where did
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Savages, come from It turns out
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Lewis Henry Morgan are two guys
that started the Bureau of

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Bureau of ethnology.
And with later on became

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dismissed Sony and institution,
they began doing, you know,

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some, some researchers and
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There was a couple of books that
came out about the ancient

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monuments, is a Mississippi
Valley and others about New York

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and anyway, and then the And
that turned out that John Wesley

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Powell Lewis Henry Morgan and he
from George Squires for the

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three three guys that kind of
started all that. and two of the

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guys, Just happened to have
fathers who were methodists

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ministers and how many New York
and guess when.

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About there now.
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So these so these are some of
the guys literally started the

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the archaeological.
Protocols, there were no

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archaeological protocols back in
time.

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So it's kind of like go out,
find him out, dig it up, fine

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artifacts, you know, do some do
some drawings and so forth you

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know write down about him and so
forth and take these artifacts

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and and haul him off to
Washington DC or whatever and

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put them in and put them in
storage until and tell us

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Smithsonian actually became a
you know, an organization that

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was you know, funded and so
forth.

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So anyway, I've got it, I'm
leaving a bunch of different

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loose ends here, but I need to
get kind of connect them up.

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So so Lewis Henry Morgan.
He wrote a book called ancient

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society and Lewis Henry Morgan
was a contemporary of Joseph

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Smith and he's also contemporary
of another guy.

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That a lot of people have
probably heard of from over in

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Europe.
Anybody heard of Charles Darwin?

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Yeah, unfortunately, yes.
So, so Lewis Henry, Morgan and

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Charles Darwin actually had
letters back and forth to each

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other really forth and Lewis
Henry Morgan became quite

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enamored with the entire idea of
the theory of evolution, which

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is being in pushed by with just
coming out at this point in time

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by by Charles Darwin and so he
ended up writing a book basing

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it on the theory of evolution by
Charles Darwin and it's called

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ancient society.
And in his book basically what

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he's saying is is that all
civilizations go through three

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stages of development, they
start off as ignorant, Savages

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they move up to Barbara ISM and
that's religious people.

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And eventually they get past the
religious part of it and get

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into what they call.
But he called civilization.

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And it was in his book that he
called the Native Americans

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ignorant.
Savages.

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And that's that's what was
sticking at the time.

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Joseph Smith comes along at the
same time and he's saying, no,

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the Native Americans are
Hebrews?

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They're highly Advanced
civilization, they had written

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language.
They had cities and Roads and so

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forth and and they were here in
America.

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And and and there seemed to be
this disconnect.

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See.
Yep.

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Because these evangelicals were
saying, hey, you know, you

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talking about this book and
where would be in a highly

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civilization, and where is it?
They're just Savages here.

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They're just a bunch of, you
know, burying that Hunters a

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hunter-gatherer people that were
here.

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They never cheated, I think
closest to civilization.

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And that's the reason why that
was the impetus for for Benjamin

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Winchester to, to try to connect
the Book of Mormon with the

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highly esteemed to be highly
Advanced Central American

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civilizations.
So that's really, that's what

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was coming down to, and because
of that, not only is he tying it

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to a New York Times bestselling
book, okay?

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But but then, but then he starts
to write, he has this, this

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article, he has this, like, A
print, you know, he was printing

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this like a, it's not really an
article, it's more like a little

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pamphlet.
I think it's called The Gospel

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reflector And in the gospel,
reflector the head, the head of

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it is the gospel reflector says,
when God works, who can hinder

450
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,800
is kind of his subheading on his
thing.

451
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:29,000
And he was writing these
articles about the about Steve

452
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,700
as a Cathy was books and put it
into these articles and then

453
00:26:32,700 --> 00:26:35,500
printing them and Publishing
them out there to to help with

454
00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:38,600
his missionary efforts.
Well.

455
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,300
Then his problem is is that he
wasn't getting very many

456
00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:46,500
subscribed first and so he
didn't get much money.

457
00:26:46,500 --> 00:26:49,900
And so he spent all of his money
to do the printing and get that

458
00:26:49,900 --> 00:26:54,300
all done and it was going, bro.
And so then he heard through the

459
00:26:54,308 --> 00:26:57,800
through the times and Seasons
that the Joseph Smith's Little

460
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,400
Brother Don.
Carlos Smith had passed away

461
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,700
while he's working on the times
and Seasons.

462
00:27:01,700 --> 00:27:04,000
They're not who this is quite a
few years.

463
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,200
After now, in the meantime,
Benjamin Winchester has been

464
00:27:07,208 --> 00:27:10,500
able to convince a couple other
people like John Page, who was

465
00:27:10,508 --> 00:27:14,500
one of the corner of the 12.
At the time, he convinced him of

466
00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:18,200
the, you know, that we, we just
need to tie the Book of Mormon

467
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:24,200
to this John Lloyd, Stephens and
and and Steven, Cathy would but

468
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,700
book and and we've got, we've
got it made in.

469
00:27:27,708 --> 00:27:30,200
We can we can prove to the world
that the book and where is that

470
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,200
is actually a real civilization,
some place here in the Americas,

471
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:39,900
and it's the Mayans Right.
And John Page, he wrote a letter

472
00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:42,400
to Joseph Smith and basically
saying hey you know what is it?

473
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,400
So wonderful that we have this?
This new evidence is coming out

474
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,600
and supported the Book of
Mormon, and, and he tried to get

475
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,000
tried to take all the credit.
He didn't give any credit to to

476
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,100
Benjamin Winchester ultimately
later on it's another story but

477
00:27:57,100 --> 00:27:59,900
the two of them ended up suing
each other over who was going to

478
00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:04,700
get the credit for starting the
mesoamerica setting for the book

479
00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:09,000
of marvelous.
Okay, so, and and they both

480
00:28:09,008 --> 00:28:10,600
became a past dates, bottom
line.

481
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:16,300
So it turns out actually Dave.
That the, that the Mesoamerican

482
00:28:16,300 --> 00:28:20,100
setting for the Book of Mormon
actually originated with

483
00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:24,900
essentially two, or there's
actually a third, three people

484
00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:28,100
who all became apostates to the
to the church, they all left the

485
00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:29,100
church.
Wow.

486
00:28:29,100 --> 00:28:35,100
You know, there's there's yeah.
Yeah there's look and and just

487
00:28:35,100 --> 00:28:38,500
so we're clear if you hold to
the man to the Mesoamerican

488
00:28:38,500 --> 00:28:41,200
model, we're not saying you're
going to go a prostate, we just

489
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,300
history matters, right?
Um, and it's going back to the

490
00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:46,900
origins, right?
Exactly.

491
00:28:46,900 --> 00:28:50,800
And you said some other things
in there that I think are worth

492
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,300
kind of talking about here just
for a second, then we'll roll

493
00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:58,800
into the evidence here.
But one of the things, I, I pay

494
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,600
attention this stuff.
I nerd out on this stuff, right?

495
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,900
Not just book a Mormon stuff,
but ancient civilizations.

496
00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:05,700
Period.
Right?

497
00:29:05,700 --> 00:29:11,800
I do, I find him fascinating.
and, When we look at archeology

498
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,100
and and I want to be careful, I
don't want to lump all

499
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:18,300
archaeologists into one single
monolith, right.

500
00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:23,600
But archeology has really only
been around for just over 100

501
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:29,200
years, right?
As as a discipline. yeah, and I

502
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,000
want I want us to think of any
other scientific discipline,

503
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,700
okay medicine.
Physics.

504
00:29:36,700 --> 00:29:42,300
Engineering, you name it, right?
If they did all said hey we've

505
00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:44,700
got it.
All figured out after 100 years.

506
00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:49,000
We would still be using leeches
to fix ourselves medically,

507
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,700
right?
The bleeding people.

508
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:52,600
Yes.
We still be bleeding people,

509
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,300
right?
Um and so it's kind of silly

510
00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:59,800
that that we think.
Okay so we have this one

511
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:05,500
discipline that's very recent
and in human human Progression

512
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:11,000
right, human knowledge in
archeology and yet we come to a

513
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:16,200
point now where where we see
that there is almost I don't

514
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,100
want even say politics because I
don't think that's the right

515
00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:22,100
word.
But anything that seems to upset

516
00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:28,500
that current model, Is attacked.
Relentlessly and very viciously,

517
00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:30,000
right?
To the point, it becomes

518
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,400
personal.
Um, we see this with with the

519
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:38,300
Smithsonian, they conveniently
lose artifacts quite often that

520
00:30:38,300 --> 00:30:41,900
don't fit a narrative, right?
We've seen the Clovis first

521
00:30:41,900 --> 00:30:47,700
model constantly be pushed back.
You know, we talked about you

522
00:30:47,700 --> 00:30:51,000
mentioned, you know, kind of
more advanced civilizations.

523
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,500
And when we say Advanced, we're
not talking about our kind of

524
00:30:54,508 --> 00:30:57,500
advanced civilization driving
around in cars and that sort of

525
00:30:57,500 --> 00:31:01,000
thing, we're talking about, you
know, social structures, those

526
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,100
sorts of things, And, you know,
just not too long ago.

527
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:09,000
Go Beckley Tepe gets found in
turkey, and all the sudden that

528
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,600
upends everything because the
the assumed model was no, it's

529
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,600
agriculture.
That gives rise to civilization

530
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,200
and then religion follows that
well and go back.

531
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,000
Lee tip, you actually have the
reverse where seems to be

532
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,500
released some sort of religion
that causes people to settle

533
00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:31,100
down in a certain place, right?
And so I think that's something

534
00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:33,900
important we should keep in mind
as we have our discussion here.

535
00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:37,700
For those listening is that you
will are going to get a

536
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:41,100
different story from mainstream
archeology right.

537
00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:45,600
There are signs now that there's
some pushback and whatnot But

538
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,600
this is a narrative.
I mean, everything that that

539
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,400
archaeologists have said in the
past, may not always be 100%

540
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,900
accurate.
You I know, I know it's crazy,

541
00:31:55,900 --> 00:32:00,000
it's crazy, it's funny every
time there's a science is

542
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,100
settled, it's not really
settled.

543
00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:07,900
Um but it's important to keep in
mind that that archeology is a

544
00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:13,200
very young discipline and it's a
discipline in which unlike a lot

545
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,000
of other disciplines it gets
attacked.

546
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,800
Viciously, if you come out with
something that's counter to the

547
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,300
narrative that that is in place
today.

548
00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:28,100
So I that's fascinating stuff
and and it's always good and I'm

549
00:32:28,100 --> 00:32:30,600
glad you said the table that we
could go back and see.

550
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,600
Okay, this is where the
Mesoamerican model begins,

551
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,500
right?
So that we have a good frame of

552
00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:39,400
reference as we go forward here.
Yeah.

553
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:46,800
Well, yeah.
And there's there's so much Then

554
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,100
when it comes down to
archeology, there is just a lot

555
00:32:49,108 --> 00:32:50,900
of subjective things.
Yep.

556
00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:55,500
Yeah, it really depends on and
this, this happens in pretty

557
00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:58,700
much every field.
You wouldn't think that would be

558
00:32:58,708 --> 00:33:02,400
happening in science that often
because, you know, science,

559
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,500
everybody kind of thinks that
science is just that, you know,

560
00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:06,800
just or looking for is just the
truth, right?

561
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,300
But actually just like everyone
else and every other discipline

562
00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:14,100
there are people who have a
different ideas, who have a

563
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:18,500
genders, who have, you know,
particular paradigms that they

564
00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:22,100
are working with in that any one
of those things, if it's not

565
00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:25,800
accurate or true can throw off
the entire thing, it's kind of

566
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,800
like, the whole you've heard of
already seen like a house of

567
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,700
cards for people take like
playing cards and they build a

568
00:33:32,700 --> 00:33:35,400
whole house up.
And take is just one of those

569
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,100
little cards at the bottom of
the base to be in, to be to not

570
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:41,300
hold up properly.
And the whole thing goes down.

571
00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:44,700
Absolutely all bills on that.
So, when you, when you start,

572
00:33:44,900 --> 00:33:47,900
From a, from a premise, for
example, that the Bible is

573
00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:51,900
incorrect that the creation
didn't happen like the Bible

574
00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:58,000
talks about for example, that we
instead of being formed an image

575
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,300
of God and placed around the
earth is Adam and Eve.

576
00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:03,200
And then human kind starts that
way.

577
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,800
Instead, if we start to be
leaving the in the Paradigm that

578
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,600
the that the humans came from
lower life forms and those life

579
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:16,199
form developed over billions of
years, you know, for was it 3.56

580
00:34:16,300 --> 00:34:19,500
billion years or whatever the
Earth And so forth, then that

581
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:24,199
changes your overall perspective
and your overall Paradigm and

582
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:28,199
that's all gonna reflect in the
things that you accept as truth

583
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,000
and the things that you don't
accept those truth.

584
00:34:30,699 --> 00:34:33,900
And this is, this is kind of how
it plays now, there's been, you

585
00:34:33,900 --> 00:34:36,800
know, like there's Timeless,
couldn't did, he wrote a book

586
00:34:36,808 --> 00:34:39,300
called scientific revolution's
and his book.

587
00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:43,600
He basically says that all
Revolutions of thought, go

588
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:48,699
through kind of force steps.
It starts off the, the powers

589
00:34:48,699 --> 00:34:50,800
that be.
They the the current Paradigm,

590
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,900
we'll just ignore the new
information as long as they can,

591
00:34:54,900 --> 00:35:00,300
right?
and then what's, what was enough

592
00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:08,900
of a Groundswell of Convincing
people begins to actually cut it

593
00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:11,500
a little bit into the prevailing
Paradigm.

594
00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:17,100
Then they violently oppose.
It Yeah they'll attack, they

595
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:19,700
attack it like crazy.
Try to you know, tear it down,

596
00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:22,600
tear it, you know, destroy it,
whatever they can to try to

597
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:27,100
come, you know, keep it back
into their court and then if it

598
00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:29,700
continues to Prevail and
continues to win, over more and

599
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:33,800
more and more people, then they
begin to quietly accept it.

600
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,400
And try to align with it.
And then the first step is that

601
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,800
they basically say, well, we
that's what we believed all

602
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:40,800
along.
Yep.

603
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,100
Yep.
It's just, you know, except this

604
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:46,100
yeah, that we want.
We always do that.

605
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:47,300
We always felt that was the
case.

606
00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:51,500
So we've seen that going through
all these different revolutions,

607
00:35:51,500 --> 00:35:56,700
and I think that our country is
going through more revolution's

608
00:35:56,700 --> 00:36:00,800
right now, then probably any
other point in time, meaning

609
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,300
political political revolution,
scientific revolution's people

610
00:36:05,300 --> 00:36:09,900
are not as as locked into the
prevailing Paradise.

611
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,000
Yep, which is good.
It's good and bad because I

612
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,900
mean, if people believe in all
kinds of just just weird stuff

613
00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:19,100
right?
You know and then there's um

614
00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:25,000
yeah we live in an age now where
where information is more rarely

615
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,900
available than ever before,
right?

616
00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:33,000
And and so this also in a weird
way it's empowered the Layman

617
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,900
right to a certain extent, to
get out there and do it.

618
00:36:35,900 --> 00:36:40,400
And it really is the Democracy
democratization of information

619
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,200
and knowledge, right?
And when that happens, you're

620
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:49,100
going to get some very wild.
Um, yeah wild ideas out there,

621
00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:52,200
right?
I'm a guy that tends to be more

622
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,900
in favor of everyone.
Bring your stuff to the table,

623
00:36:54,900 --> 00:36:58,300
right?
If it's bad or if it's faulty,

624
00:36:58,300 --> 00:37:01,400
it's gonna show, right?
Um fruit.

625
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,400
Yeah, the thing that I wasn't
anticipating about this time

626
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,600
Right, and and I'm old enough I
can remember when the internet

627
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,000
first came around right and I
was playing like internet

628
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,800
Solitaire on Windows now, it's
like this is great.

629
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,800
And then all the sudden like it
blows up and and we have all

630
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,300
this information at our
fingertips.

631
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,800
And so what it's led to is that
when when the narrative is

632
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,400
challenged at all and then you
see the amount of pushback that

633
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:35,300
comes back that way?
There are people with vested

634
00:37:35,300 --> 00:37:39,300
interests in those models.
And if those models are upset,

635
00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:44,500
That causes somebody to have to
go back at their to their, to

636
00:37:44,508 --> 00:37:50,900
their life's work and say I
built an entire resume off of a

637
00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:54,400
bad premise now.
And, and I want to say that this

638
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,800
too.
And it's something I've

639
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,800
cautioned my audience before on.
And I really believe it.

640
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,500
There are things that we know at
our core and this case the Book

641
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:08,000
of Mormon, right, when, when we
pray about that and we get a

642
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,100
witness that is solid.
That is the Bedrock, right?

643
00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:17,600
That's not an idea that is 100%
in our soul.

644
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:22,500
These other things we can have
really strong convictions on and

645
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:23,800
that's good.
Right?

646
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,900
That's healthy.
But you never want to marry

647
00:38:26,900 --> 00:38:30,500
yourself to an idea.
You want to marry yourself to

648
00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:34,900
truth, right?
Because 100% because when when

649
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:38,900
if there's a Smoking Gun that
comes along so to speak and

650
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:43,000
shows hey this is absolutely you
know, kind of Beyond recruit if

651
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,400
you now it passes the mustard
and all these different

652
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,700
disciplines, we have to be able
to look at that and not be so

653
00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:54,000
rigid because we've made a bad
idea part of who we are.

654
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,000
You want that Bedrock to be
those Timeless principles that

655
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,600
we know for a fact and and
spiritual Revelation to be the

656
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:02,900
Bedrock here.
Going forward.

657
00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:06,400
So yeah, don't don't marry
yourself to an idea.

658
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,400
Just marry yourself to truth.
And that really referred comes

659
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,400
down to because but the problem
is is that the world is teaching

660
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:18,700
our kids and and people in the
world that they're really is no

661
00:39:18,700 --> 00:39:21,200
truth.
Everything is relative and and

662
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,300
Truth is basically whatever you
want it to be.

663
00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:27,400
Yeah that there's no reality.
I mean that we that you know if

664
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:32,000
you want to be a furry you can
you know you one day and the

665
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,800
next thing you know you're
you're thinking you're a cat

666
00:39:33,808 --> 00:39:38,200
yeah or something like and the
same thing with the with the

667
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,600
biological you know sex you're
born with and so forth that's

668
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:47,100
somehow just you you're not
you're not constrained by

669
00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:51,100
reality, right?
And the more we have ai and

670
00:39:51,100 --> 00:39:54,800
computers and so forth in our
kids lives that the left, they

671
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,500
believe that reality is That
there is a reality, basically

672
00:39:58,500 --> 00:40:03,800
reality is just what you, what
you make it and you create your

673
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,400
own reality.
And I think that's really a

674
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:12,100
potentially destructive thing
to, you know, the upcoming

675
00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:16,500
Generations.
But when it's becoming harder

676
00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:19,400
and harder to actually
differentiate between, what's

677
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,000
the what's reality?
And what's AI?

678
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,500
Yep.
So, absolutely.

679
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:29,100
We're in for some interesting
times ahead from that

680
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:31,900
standpoint, but I think the
others there's just several.

681
00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:35,200
I mean, when you were talking,
there had several things that

682
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,100
were just you know, you know
that you have to be so careful

683
00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:43,300
of Like one of them is, is that,
you know, when it comes down to

684
00:40:43,300 --> 00:40:47,400
the facts, you know, whether the
facts is harder and harder to

685
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,700
identify, what is an actual fact
and what is somebody strong

686
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:53,200
opinion?
Yes, it's being presented as

687
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,300
fact.
Yep, absolutely absolutely.

688
00:40:56,300 --> 00:40:59,100
So, all right, man.
Should we dive into some

689
00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:02,500
evidences?
Yeah, that's dive into some of

690
00:41:02,508 --> 00:41:05,200
that.
Now, let me let me just share my

691
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,200
screen here, right?
If they jump in here for a

692
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,000
second and Can you see that?
Okay, I can see that.

693
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,600
Just fine.
Okay, so this is a quote, my

694
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,700
awesome fire.
He said, the argument does not

695
00:41:18,707 --> 00:41:22,300
create conviction, lack of
argument destroys belief, what

696
00:41:22,300 --> 00:41:26,100
seems to be proved may not be
embraced because everybody has

697
00:41:26,100 --> 00:41:29,300
their own, you know, their
freedom to do it, but no one

698
00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:31,000
shows the ability to defend as
quickly.

699
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,400
Abandoned rational argument does
not create belief.

700
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,700
That means a climate in which
belief May flourish.

701
00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:40,900
And I love that I have used it
from really from the beginning

702
00:41:40,900 --> 00:41:44,000
of my, my, my research and so
forth.

703
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,700
Is that, you know, people ask me
all the time.

704
00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:48,100
Why are you so passionate about
this?

705
00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:49,500
Why do you have to have
evidence?

706
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,600
I can't you just take things on
faith.

707
00:41:53,300 --> 00:41:54,700
And I said yeah.
Yeah.

708
00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:58,900
In fact, in fact, I already know
the Book of Mormon is true from

709
00:41:58,900 --> 00:42:01,900
a spiritual standpoint.
So I do have a bias there, which

710
00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:04,200
is that, which I mentioned in
the beginning writer.

711
00:42:04,900 --> 00:42:07,900
But but you also have to have
rational argument.

712
00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:11,900
For some people they can they
can read the book of Mormon,

713
00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:14,900
they can pray about it, they get
a witness of it and that's and

714
00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:17,700
that's good enough. but I kind
of remind them that, you know,

715
00:42:17,700 --> 00:42:20,300
when it comes down to it, when
we were in the pre-existence,

716
00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:25,300
With our heavenly father.
We are there as Spirit Sons and

717
00:42:25,300 --> 00:42:28,200
Daughters of God, right?
They understand it.

718
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:36,600
And and apparently it's you
know, the the idea basically is

719
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,000
that we want to become like our
heavenly father.

720
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,800
Is he wants us to become like he
is but when we were in that

721
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,500
state, Why couldn't we just say
hey you know what, we're living

722
00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:49,000
with Heavenly Father, we've got
to live forever.

723
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,300
Why can't we just say hello?
Hello game over.

724
00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:54,300
Right?
Let's just stay here and this

725
00:42:54,300 --> 00:42:57,200
state, but we had to come to the
Earth for some reason.

726
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,000
And as I understand that reason
was obtained a body.

727
00:43:00,700 --> 00:43:04,000
Right.
Well, what's so great about a

728
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,800
body?
Well, our father has one, right?

729
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,500
And we want to be like he is we
need that we need that

730
00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:12,400
experience, right?
Exactly, right.

731
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,000
So yeah, I mean you just took
the words right out of my mouth

732
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,400
basically, basically, you know,
I mean our bodies just get old,

733
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,500
we get you know we lose our hair
so that's coming out of weird

734
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:24,600
places.
You know, we get diseases, we

735
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,100
get sick and eventually we die.
I don't know what so great about

736
00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:29,800
a body.
But I do you know this and that

737
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,200
we can't become just like you
just said we can't become like

738
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,600
our heavenly father as without
it, right?

739
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,100
So it's apparently this is my
point, it's not enough just to

740
00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:41,900
have the spirit.
Right.

741
00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:46,400
You have to have this Spirit and
the body inseparably connected

742
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,100
and when those two things are
connected, then you have what

743
00:43:50,100 --> 00:43:52,000
the Lord called the fullness of
joy.

744
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,500
Yep.
Yep.

745
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:56,700
When you have the spirit in
that, so people can have a

746
00:43:56,700 --> 00:43:58,600
spiritual understanding of the
book and where women.

747
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,100
But when you connect it with the
physical reality, it's a real

748
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:04,300
history.
Real people, real places, real

749
00:44:04,300 --> 00:44:07,700
events, these things actually
took place and there's these are

750
00:44:07,700 --> 00:44:10,400
recorded in history and we can
see that in the archaeological

751
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,800
record and the Linguistics and
and and, and the Metallurgy, and

752
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,100
that plants the animals and
everything else that are part of

753
00:44:18,100 --> 00:44:21,000
that overall history.
And we can show that the history

754
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,000
is real.
Some people are okay with just,

755
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,300
you know, just kind of what we
call blind.

756
00:44:26,300 --> 00:44:27,600
You know, just say, you know
what?

757
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,400
I got my witness.
I'm good.

758
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:31,900
Right.
Other people say, you know what,

759
00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:35,300
show me something that's real
something that I can actually

760
00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:39,700
you know you know the physically
true.

761
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:45,300
And then maybe I'll at least
believe enough that I can read

762
00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:47,900
the book.
The 70% you can't show me any

763
00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:51,700
evidence for the Book of Mormon.
Any real evidence for it.

764
00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:55,900
Why would I waste my time?
Reading a false history?

765
00:44:55,900 --> 00:44:59,700
Absolutely.
Yeah, you know in, that's what

766
00:44:59,700 --> 00:45:01,400
appealed to me about Mormonism,
right?

767
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,900
I'm a guy who I don't have any
more Mormons on either side of

768
00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:11,500
my family right first generation
and and you know long story

769
00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:15,500
short, the audience knows here.
Um my old man passes away when

770
00:45:15,500 --> 00:45:19,800
I'm a young man, I go on a
looking for God, right?

771
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,400
Um, if I had some answers that
did not satisfy me, he did not

772
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,900
seem to fit the character of
God.

773
00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:29,500
But in that process, I
discovered in a lot of

774
00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:33,700
religions, and in a lot of
ideologies, you don't get to

775
00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:35,700
have both, right?
You either have to check your

776
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:40,900
rational, brain out the door and
then just go solely on faith or

777
00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:45,300
you have to check your faith.
And your your gut.

778
00:45:45,300 --> 00:45:49,600
So to speak that Light of Christ
and then and then go totally

779
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,100
with you with just your head,
right?

780
00:45:52,100 --> 00:45:56,100
And what I found is is that if
either of those are out of

781
00:45:56,100 --> 00:45:57,900
balance, you're in for some
trouble.

782
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,500
Right you whatever you believe
it had better feel good in your

783
00:46:02,508 --> 00:46:05,200
heart and it better feel you
better make sense in your head.

784
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,300
Otherwise you're not gonna have
to Witnesses and that's a

785
00:46:09,300 --> 00:46:12,800
problem.
I think in the scientific really

786
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,900
call it cognitive dissonance
right?

787
00:46:14,900 --> 00:46:17,400
Where what's your head is saying
and what your heart is saying,

788
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,200
or not consistent with each
other, they're at odds, with

789
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,700
each other and it creates this,
this this tension all the time

790
00:46:25,707 --> 00:46:28,300
because because what, you're
what your heart is trying to

791
00:46:28,308 --> 00:46:30,100
tell you.
This is true and your head

792
00:46:30,100 --> 00:46:32,800
saying no, no, it's not, there's
something wrong with this.

793
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,100
When you Have that?
That tension.

794
00:46:36,100 --> 00:46:39,700
It's, it makes things difficult.
And so, that's, that's part of

795
00:46:39,707 --> 00:46:41,100
what we're doing here.
Basically, what we're going to

796
00:46:41,107 --> 00:46:44,100
talk about here.
Dave is the is some of the, the

797
00:46:44,100 --> 00:46:46,300
physical reality of the Book of
Mormon.

798
00:46:46,308 --> 00:46:49,300
Now, people ask me all the time,
so, you know, why are you so

799
00:46:49,300 --> 00:46:52,300
passionate about this and say,
well, you know, don't you have

800
00:46:52,300 --> 00:46:54,400
faith?
I said, yeah, I have faith.

801
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,000
I already know the Book of
Mormon is true and because I

802
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,500
know it's true.
I know there's going to be the

803
00:46:58,500 --> 00:47:03,000
evidence, right?
So Faith leads me to action, and

804
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,700
the action is, let's go out and
find the evidence.

805
00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:09,500
Yeah, but we also have to be
looking at, okay?

806
00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:11,700
So what if we don't find
evidence, you know.

807
00:47:11,700 --> 00:47:13,700
I mean people people ask me all
the time, why are you so

808
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:15,000
convinced in the Heartland
model?

809
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,500
And and my answer is, you know,
and until the Lord comes out and

810
00:47:19,500 --> 00:47:24,600
directly reveals this, this
geography, we have to be open to

811
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,900
further like knowledge.
I have always said that I don't

812
00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:30,000
believe that there will be any
prophets in this.

813
00:47:30,008 --> 00:47:32,800
Dispensation, they're going to
contradict what Joseph Smith

814
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,400
said.
So if we Stick with what Joe

815
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,600
Smith said by Revelation.
When he when he cleanse

816
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,400
revelation, we know that he was
a prophet of God.

817
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,800
We're assuming that he's a
prophet of God here and by his

818
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,800
work you shall know them, right?
So if that's the case that I

819
00:47:48,808 --> 00:47:50,900
don't think there were ever
going to be in a bad situation.

820
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,000
You know, when it comes down to
something that's going to be

821
00:47:55,008 --> 00:47:57,800
really revealed in the future
because truth is by definition

822
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,000
something that is true today.
It was true yesterday and it

823
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,400
will be true again tomorrow.
Absolutely.

824
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,200
So past present future is what
truth is that the literal

825
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,400
definition of Truth has to do
with the time element?

826
00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:13,300
It has to be true past present
future.

827
00:48:13,300 --> 00:48:16,900
Absolutely.
And so, if Joseph Smith is in

828
00:48:16,900 --> 00:48:20,900
the, in the, in the current says
some things and so forth and he

829
00:48:20,900 --> 00:48:24,200
was accurate, then that is not
going to be contradicted in the

830
00:48:24,207 --> 00:48:26,100
future.
No, that's right.

831
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:28,100
All right, so let's just kind of
jump into some things.

832
00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:32,300
So when I jump in there, Dave,
you see this?

833
00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:33,000
Okay?
Yep.

834
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,800
Can see that just reveal your
test fight to the geological

835
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,500
geographical location of the
Book of Mormon Yeah, and other

836
00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:43,700
words can we know can we know
what we have over?

837
00:48:43,700 --> 00:48:46,300
Yeah I mean where in the world
is the Book of Mormon?

838
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:47,400
Where did it take place?
Okay.

839
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,300
Where is Sue?
Mean, this is our underlying

840
00:48:49,300 --> 00:48:51,400
assumption that the Book of
Mormon is an actual history of

841
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,700
real people of places and
events, right?

842
00:48:53,700 --> 00:48:57,300
And where in where in the
Americas did it happen, although

843
00:48:57,300 --> 00:48:59,600
I will have to say that there's
been actually Book of Mormon

844
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,700
geography is that have been
proposed even in Malaysia.

845
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:03,900
No.
See that.

846
00:49:03,908 --> 00:49:08,300
Yeah, and South America and all
kinds of places, right?

847
00:49:08,300 --> 00:49:10,500
That makes that in just a
second.

848
00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:12,700
But so where is the promised
land of the Book of Mormon?

849
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:18,700
Um, why is this even important?
When we're going to go into

850
00:49:18,700 --> 00:49:20,000
that.
So you know the research

851
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,900
hierarchy before we were going
to use as the as our first and

852
00:49:23,900 --> 00:49:28,800
foremost, you know, evidence
here, we're going to use the

853
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,800
scriptures.
Then we use does a Smith we're

854
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,200
gonna use that other profits
while their profits, okay?

855
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:38,600
Okay, and the current method for
doing geography.

856
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,400
Research of the book and mermen
was kind of it was originally

857
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,500
set up by John search, but he
had the most influence,

858
00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:48,000
basically, and this John
Sorensen, he had wrote this book

859
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,700
called Mormons map.
He did it earlier book called

860
00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:54,100
the Central American setting for
the book.

861
00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:56,600
I'm wearing.
And but the current method says

862
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,600
that, essentially what you did
have to do is you have to just

863
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,800
use just the book passages
themselves.

864
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:06,000
So there's about 550 passages in
the Book of Mormon that deal

865
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,800
with geography, things like
narrow passages and narrow

866
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,100
passes and narrow necks and you
know, and North and South

867
00:50:12,100 --> 00:50:15,500
directions and so forth.
And you kind of take all those

868
00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:18,600
550 passages and you create what
they call it internal map.

869
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,100
The contractor, the construct,
an internal map.

870
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:27,200
So, this is basically the idea
is that in internal or

871
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,500
hypothetical map, then you
create this hypothetical map.

872
00:50:29,500 --> 00:50:33,000
And you see if you can actually
Place it onto a real world

873
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,100
setting.
In other words, is there any

874
00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:37,400
place that actually works for
that?

875
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,100
And and according to his book,
he says, at least 80 different

876
00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:45,900
versions of bookmarks have been
produced and they're all over

877
00:50:45,900 --> 00:50:49,100
the place from the entire
hemisphere to just like, you

878
00:50:49,100 --> 00:50:54,700
know, a really small area just
in New York to Chile to Malaysia

879
00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:56,800
to, you know, I mean there's all
these different Maps.

880
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,000
And I'm kind of reminded a
little bit of the situation

881
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,300
going on.
Joseph Smith's day, Yeah, you

882
00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:07,600
had the burned over to New York,
you had people coming in and

883
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:12,200
preaching.
You know, the Bible, basically

884
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,800
to the people and they were all
these different denominations.

885
00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:20,200
Right, but I'll use it the same
book.

886
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,300
Write all kinds of different
conclusions and it caused what

887
00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:28,400
into this myth mind because a
massive confusion I think is how

888
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:29,300
we put it.
Yep.

889
00:51:29,300 --> 00:51:31,800
Yeah, it was incredibly
confusing.

890
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:36,000
We had the same thing going on
basically and all the

891
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,700
restoration, you know, branches
of the church and so forth.

892
00:51:38,700 --> 00:51:41,400
Alright.
Alright everybody who loves the

893
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,800
book and there's always
different ideas, like like he

894
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:49,200
said about 80, there's actually
over and over 150 different

895
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,100
geographies that have been
proposed.

896
00:51:52,100 --> 00:51:54,800
So the result has been
tremendous, confusion, a

897
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,500
plethora of Notions, that holds
no promises that producing a

898
00:51:57,500 --> 00:52:00,200
consensus.
Actually, there has been kind of

899
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,300
a consensus that has swirled
around the base of Americans

900
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:07,400
said for for a number of years.
But now there's really kind of

901
00:52:07,408 --> 00:52:10,100
just two primary ones that the
Mesoamerican setting and the

902
00:52:10,100 --> 00:52:12,900
Heartland said there's other
ones out there, but they don't

903
00:52:12,900 --> 00:52:16,900
have any really, any track with
any significant number of people

904
00:52:16,900 --> 00:52:19,600
got you.
And it's been, it's been a real,

905
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:25,500
a real battle to, to get the
Heartland model that, that we

906
00:52:25,500 --> 00:52:32,400
believe that is more true to
Joseph Smith, then made some

907
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,200
Americans.
And that's because Yeah, both

908
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:37,600
sides.
I will have to say this though,

909
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,900
both sides, the Mason America
side as well as the Heartland

910
00:52:39,900 --> 00:52:42,700
side.
Both of us are trying to uphold

911
00:52:42,700 --> 00:52:46,600
what we understand.
Joseph Smith to have said, Or

912
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:51,400
taught or whatever.
The problem is, is that history.

913
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:56,100
History is never perfect and we
never know exactly what really

914
00:52:56,100 --> 00:52:59,000
transpired because everything in
history is written by.

915
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,100
You know the historians right
and many times the historians

916
00:53:04,100 --> 00:53:05,400
didn't actually live the
history.

917
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,300
They they're commenting about
it.

918
00:53:07,300 --> 00:53:11,400
Based on you know all kinds of
things and historians just like

919
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:17,300
everyone else can have agendas.
Absolutely So yeah, people are

920
00:53:17,300 --> 00:53:19,500
recording history.
You know, there's people who

921
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:22,500
talked about Joseph Smith in a
very positive light, and there's

922
00:53:22,500 --> 00:53:24,900
also people who are
contemporaries of other Smith

923
00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:28,900
who basically thought that he
had, his family were were

924
00:53:28,900 --> 00:53:31,500
really, really bad people.
Yep.

925
00:53:31,500 --> 00:53:35,200
They were dysfunctional.
They were into, you know, black

926
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:39,900
magic and cultic arts and so
forth and so on and and they

927
00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:42,900
expressed their opinions too, in
their their histories.

928
00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:45,000
Yep.
So which history is true?

929
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:51,100
you know, that that becomes that
this is why the hierarchy of of

930
00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:55,300
witnesses is such an important
part, you know, just like in a

931
00:53:55,300 --> 00:54:00,900
court of law, you know, you have
if you have somebody who is You

932
00:54:00,900 --> 00:54:03,700
know, a bomb on the street and
then you know, and you have the

933
00:54:03,700 --> 00:54:07,300
high price attorneys and so
forth and they give testimony

934
00:54:07,300 --> 00:54:11,400
they're going to probably let 10
to, you know, juries and judges

935
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,600
are going to probably tend to
listen to the high price

936
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,400
eternities and so forth more
than they are some on the

937
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:18,700
street.
But if the bomb on the street,

938
00:54:18,700 --> 00:54:21,100
just happened to have a video
camera with them, and he

939
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:25,000
recorded the event and you can
see it in real time, you know,

940
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,600
happening, right.
And then the bums testimony

941
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,800
actually can be more important
than everybody else's opinion

942
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,100
about what happened absolutely.
Oh.

943
00:54:35,100 --> 00:54:38,400
So there's there's hierarchy of
opinions here that's going on.

944
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,600
That we need to be needed to
take a look at, you know what,

945
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,400
what were the motives of the
people.

946
00:54:42,408 --> 00:54:45,100
And that's the hardest part
because we never really know for

947
00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:47,900
sure what somebody's motives are
unless they specifically State

948
00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:50,700
what they are. but when people
say that they want to drink the

949
00:54:50,700 --> 00:54:53,700
blood of Joseph Smith and they
write a history and so forth,

950
00:54:53,700 --> 00:54:56,600
you got to assume that the
history that they're giving of

951
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:00,500
Joseph Smith is somewhat biased
against them just a little just

952
00:55:00,500 --> 00:55:08,600
a little um Yeah.
Yeah, so sources meant matter a

953
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:12,200
lot and it's just not history.
We find ourselves in with this

954
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:16,100
conundrum, right?
I'm a Lancer there by

955
00:55:16,100 --> 00:55:19,400
profession, right?
And one of the things that's

956
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:23,100
often talked about the most is
trying to go back to the

957
00:55:23,100 --> 00:55:27,600
original intent, right?
And so, you know, a surveys

958
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,800
originally laid out, you know,
if we go back East, you know,

959
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:36,000
sometimes 16 1700, right, and
they tell you what they're

960
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,800
trying to do, and they have some
very crude measuring methods,

961
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,800
right?
And don't take into account, you

962
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,800
know, way of land, and that sort
of thing and slope distance

963
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,500
versus horizontal distance,
that's sort of stuff.

964
00:55:49,500 --> 00:55:53,600
And we come along with our fancy
measurements, you know, with GPS

965
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,400
and and, you know, lasers and
that sort of thing.

966
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,300
And yeah, we can make
measurements, but it may not fit

967
00:55:59,300 --> 00:56:03,100
the original intent, right?
And so, Understanding.

968
00:56:04,300 --> 00:56:07,700
Original intent, is someone
important here too, right?

969
00:56:07,700 --> 00:56:11,900
Because just as you said, if the
intent is to disparage, Joseph

970
00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:16,700
Smith, well you have to then
weigh that appropriately and say

971
00:56:16,700 --> 00:56:20,300
maybe some of the more
outlandish claims you have to

972
00:56:20,300 --> 00:56:24,300
take with maybe eight grains of
salt instead of one because

973
00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:26,600
that's obviously going to be
slanted.

974
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,100
Heavily.
Yes.

975
00:56:29,100 --> 00:56:32,000
Yeah, but it also happens.
The other direction too.

976
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,700
I mean, you know, so alright.
Somebody who is a very nefarious

977
00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:38,000
person, but you asked their
family members?

978
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,500
Well, is this person a good
person or not and more than

979
00:56:41,500 --> 00:56:43,200
likely.
Oh yeah, he's wonderful.

980
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,900
Fantastic and so forth.
Well, did he just robbed this

981
00:56:45,900 --> 00:56:48,800
Bank?
Did he just you know, run over

982
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,400
these people and so forth?
Well, you know, that's not

983
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,600
really.
I guess what I'm saying is is

984
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,800
that you can, it can go on both
sides, your absolutely can't.

985
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:01,100
Yep, which is part of the reason
why historians are taught that

986
00:57:01,100 --> 00:57:05,100
you never, you never tell a
history from one side because

987
00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:07,700
you just tell one side is
propaganda, right?

988
00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:11,600
But you have to be careful to
understand where the history is

989
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,100
coming from.
There's gonna be those who are

990
00:57:13,107 --> 00:57:17,700
going to be Pro and those are
being con if you can find

991
00:57:17,700 --> 00:57:20,900
somebody who's kind of in the
middle and then that's great,

992
00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:23,400
you know?
But but a lot of times you can't

993
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,600
find somebody who's going to be
in the middle because because

994
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,200
the only reason why they're
riding because they're either.

995
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,800
Pro or con, right?
Absolutely otherwise, they don't

996
00:57:30,808 --> 00:57:33,600
care.
Anyway, so, long story short, is

997
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,800
basically we've got these that
these hypothetical maps about

998
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,900
150 of them.
If we have a method and I've

999
00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:42,400
been in doing scientific
research long enough to know

1000
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,800
that if you have a proper
method, it should tend to limit

1001
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,900
the number of outcomes and not
expand them.

1002
00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:50,300
So in other words, when you do
experiments, you're trying to

1003
00:57:50,308 --> 00:57:53,200
eliminate okay, we can now we
can eliminate this, we don't

1004
00:57:53,207 --> 00:57:54,000
have to worry about this
anymore.

1005
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,200
Now we can eliminate that and we
can try to hone down into what

1006
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,200
the truth is.
Right.

1007
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,000
Yes.
Method is literally expanding it

1008
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,500
ever ever more.
I mean, yeah, it's, it's, it's,

1009
00:58:06,500 --> 00:58:09,600
it's whatever somebody wants.
And the other thing is, is that

1010
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,900
when it comes in the geography
the book and where man, he's 550

1011
00:58:12,900 --> 00:58:14,700
passages, if they were really
clear.

1012
00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:17,900
Why is it that we have 550
geographies?

1013
00:58:17,900 --> 00:58:19,500
Right?
Right.

1014
00:58:19,500 --> 00:58:22,200
Yeah.
I mean I had 150 geographies.

1015
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:27,200
Yeah.
I I knew what you meant there.

1016
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,400
Yeah.
And that's a problem, right?

1017
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:34,200
The more variable the more
variation you can have in the

1018
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,200
model.
The worst the the worst that's

1019
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:38,800
going to be.
It's like aiming at a Target,

1020
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,500
right?
If you're sights are off and

1021
00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:44,600
you're spread is huge right?
Well, that's no good.

1022
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,700
You want to be able to get that
in there and you want to start

1023
00:58:46,700 --> 00:58:50,100
dealing with some some level of
certain Keys within that.

1024
00:58:50,100 --> 00:58:52,600
So that you start to narrow it
down.

1025
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,600
It's very hard.
I mean, for example, when it

1026
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,200
comes down to what is the
overall physically extended the

1027
00:58:58,207 --> 00:59:00,300
geography?
Well, you know, I mean, for

1028
00:59:00,300 --> 00:59:02,400
example, several times the book
and Romans says, and they

1029
00:59:02,408 --> 00:59:05,400
traveled many days journey and
then they and that was It right,

1030
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,300
right?
How many, as many days journey?

1031
00:59:07,300 --> 00:59:11,000
Well, if you go to the Book of
Mormon, you basically have times

1032
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,700
where it says, you know, that
the many days was like, three

1033
00:59:13,700 --> 00:59:15,000
days.
Another time.

1034
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,800
The Book of Romans, says, many
days.

1035
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,800
I said he lived many days and
then he died.

1036
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,000
So, it was an entire lifetime,
right?

1037
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:25,500
So, which is it when they have
many days journey, is it a

1038
00:59:25,500 --> 00:59:27,800
lifetime's journey?
Or is it like two or three days

1039
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,000
or is it somewhere in the
middle?

1040
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,300
And, you know, so there's
there's lots and lots of

1041
00:59:31,300 --> 00:59:35,700
subjective things that we don't
know what exactly they meant by

1042
00:59:35,700 --> 00:59:38,400
that.
So the current method basically

1043
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:43,300
we have stuff all over the map
where everywhere you know I mean

1044
00:59:43,308 --> 00:59:47,600
not not here go there you know
this means this means that and

1045
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:52,700
so forth and so we have all
these different ideas and but

1046
00:59:52,700 --> 00:59:57,000
everybody kind of holds you well
with it says, You know this many

1047
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,100
days journey that means this,
right, right.

1048
01:00:00,100 --> 01:00:04,000
And we hang and we hang on to
that like if it's some kind of a

1049
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:08,200
fact when it's really not and
that leads us to basically what

1050
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:13,300
this next slide which is been.
Once we've once we've come to

1051
01:00:13,308 --> 01:00:16,900
our conclusion and we just run
it, just keep holding onto

1052
01:00:16,900 --> 01:00:20,800
everything, you know, he's still
hoping and cleaning to

1053
01:00:20,808 --> 01:00:23,700
unrealistic expectations.
That's adorable.

1054
01:00:26,300 --> 01:00:29,700
Expecting different expecting to
use the same method over and

1055
01:00:29,700 --> 01:00:31,300
over again and get somehow
different results.

1056
01:00:31,300 --> 01:00:33,700
We all know that that's the
definition of insanity.

1057
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:34,900
Yep.
Yep.

1058
01:00:34,900 --> 01:00:37,200
Well, that's what, that's what
we're talking about here.

1059
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,900
Why are we still using the same
method if this if it's not

1060
01:00:40,900 --> 01:00:42,100
working?
Right?

1061
01:00:42,100 --> 01:00:44,400
So if we're gonna have a
different method, what would

1062
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,300
that method incorporate?
What would we do?

1063
01:00:46,300 --> 01:00:48,500
How would how it would be
different?

1064
01:00:48,500 --> 01:00:52,500
And that's a basically so that
you know, the answer to that the

1065
01:00:52,500 --> 01:00:54,500
Bookman wasn't written for his
geography.

1066
01:00:55,500 --> 01:00:58,900
And nowhere gives us the exact
situation or boundaries we can

1067
01:00:58,908 --> 01:01:01,200
definitely be located with that
fear of error.

1068
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,300
That's George you can.
Yeah, interesting but the

1069
01:01:04,308 --> 01:01:06,800
current method is working this
new method needed and what would

1070
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,300
that method be?
What we're basically saying is

1071
01:01:09,300 --> 01:01:11,500
that we need to begin with the
friend foundation of the

1072
01:01:11,508 --> 01:01:14,000
scriptures, but we need to
utilize the scriptures for the

1073
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,300
reason why they were preserved
in the first place, right?

1074
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:22,400
As it possible that we can learn
more about the geography of the

1075
01:01:22,408 --> 01:01:25,300
Book of Mormons to a study of
its prophecies.

1076
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,100
Then we can try to speculate
about narrow next to land in

1077
01:01:29,100 --> 01:01:32,100
their own passages.
I see, I see so rather than

1078
01:01:32,100 --> 01:01:35,400
focusing just on the
geographical passages.

1079
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:39,000
Let's look at some of the
surrounding other evidence and

1080
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:43,700
what what comes to pass, From
the last, you have it put here

1081
01:01:43,707 --> 01:01:46,500
in the slide, the physical and
the spiritual as well.

1082
01:01:46,500 --> 01:01:49,300
Yeah.
So what was the purpose?

1083
01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:50,500
The Book of Mormon was
preserved.

1084
01:01:50,500 --> 01:01:53,100
And actually, we all kind of
know that the main purpose of

1085
01:01:53,100 --> 01:01:56,500
the Book of Mormon is to
actually testify of who Christ,

1086
01:01:56,500 --> 01:01:59,500
right?
But interestingly enough, that's

1087
01:01:59,500 --> 01:02:04,100
not exactly what the lord gave
to Joseph Smith in Revelation

1088
01:02:04,100 --> 01:02:07,100
and and section three of the
Doctrine and Covenants.

1089
01:02:07,900 --> 01:02:11,200
Okay, it says, and this is what
the so this is a revelation

1090
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,300
given to Joseph Smith.
He says this testimony, so come

1091
01:02:14,300 --> 01:02:16,200
to the knowledge of the name.
And I said, the limits of the

1092
01:02:16,207 --> 01:02:18,600
Israelites, for this very
purpose, are these plates

1093
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,400
preserved.
So here, the Lord is telling

1094
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,400
Joseph Smith.
Why would these places

1095
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,900
preserved?
What was because it contains

1096
01:02:24,900 --> 01:02:27,800
these records that has the
promises of the Lord that

1097
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,500
they're going to be fulfilled
and the late nights make come to

1098
01:02:30,508 --> 01:02:32,600
the knowledge of their fathers.
They might know the promises of

1099
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,600
the Lord and believe in the
gospel and rely on the merits of

1100
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,600
Jesus Christ.
So basically why was the place

1101
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,900
preserved in the first place?
It was oh go ahead.

1102
01:02:41,908 --> 01:02:43,400
Sorry.
I thought that was these

1103
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,000
promises.
So these promises would be made

1104
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,400
known.
And then they could be

1105
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:49,900
fulfilled.
Right?

1106
01:02:49,900 --> 01:02:53,700
Okay, and as I started looking
at this, I said, okay.

1107
01:02:53,700 --> 01:02:57,200
So somebody's clearly somebody's
having written about these

1108
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,200
promises and these prophecies,
right, right.

1109
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,300
And they looked around, I
couldn't find anybody who had

1110
01:03:02,300 --> 01:03:06,600
done a deep dive into the
prophecies and the promises in

1111
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,000
the Book of Mormon that were
talking about.

1112
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,200
In fact, here's the fourth Nephi
says that he did hide them up.

1113
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:15,600
The plates under the Lord, that
they might come again, unto the,

1114
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,900
remnant of the House of Jacob,
according to the prophecies and

1115
01:03:18,900 --> 01:03:22,400
the promises of the Lord.
There's these prophecies and

1116
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,600
these promises that are the
reason why the plates were even

1117
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:29,800
preserved in the first place.
Now, my hope is that someday if

1118
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:36,000
we ever find 116 pages that got
lost right, the First part of

1119
01:03:36,008 --> 01:03:41,300
that is like, the map section
refer to map a.

1120
01:03:41,300 --> 01:03:44,700
Yeah, B.
And then you can put throughout

1121
01:03:44,700 --> 01:03:46,200
the text but obviously, we don't
know.

1122
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:49,700
It'll be really nice if we had
something like that in the Book

1123
01:03:49,700 --> 01:03:52,200
of Mormon.
But we don't, So what about

1124
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,400
these prophecies and Promises,
if that's, the reason why the

1125
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:58,200
place were preserved, is it
possible that we can know more

1126
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:03,800
about the the, the, the, the,
the geography through a study of

1127
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,200
the spiritual?
The past, it's over.

1128
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,700
The geographical ones that have
led to 150 different

1129
01:04:09,700 --> 01:04:11,700
geographies.
And that's what this question

1130
01:04:11,700 --> 01:04:14,100
might right here is basically,
you know, can we?

1131
01:04:14,100 --> 01:04:17,600
Can we do that?
Well, so you have to kind of go

1132
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,800
back to the very origin.
Just like you have to go back to

1133
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,200
the, where do the book?
Where did the book and where men

1134
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,300
mesoamerica Theory come from?
Where did it stem from?

1135
01:04:25,308 --> 01:04:28,800
What was its Origins?
You go all the way back to, you

1136
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,400
know, Benjamin Winchester and
John Page and how they were

1137
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,600
pushing us on Joe Smith and and
so forth.

1138
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,400
And they're trying to get Joseph
Smith on board and Joseph Smith,

1139
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:43,500
you know, didn't try and
ultimately William Smith, Joe

1140
01:04:43,500 --> 01:04:49,800
Smith little brother and and
Benjamin Winchester, they didn't

1141
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,800
Winchester left his gospel
reflected, that kind of left

1142
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:54,600
that hanging, that's one of my
Cliffhangers.

1143
01:04:54,600 --> 01:05:01,400
So, yeah, he went to he left
Philadelphia, when he found out

1144
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:05,400
that Jesus Little Brother Don,
Carlos Smith had passed away a

1145
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,800
work on the Tendencies and he
wrote a letter which is still

1146
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,200
extend.
It's still in existence, the

1147
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,200
original letter and they
basically he says, oh my gosh.

1148
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,200
Yeah I'm so sorry to hear about
your brother Joseph.

1149
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,400
You know, who could possibly
take his place on the times of

1150
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:19,700
the seasons.
Right.

1151
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:24,000
A month later he shows up.
He leaves Philadelphia, he comes

1152
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,900
to Nauvoo and he basically
begins to help on the times of

1153
01:05:27,900 --> 01:05:30,400
the season.
Now Joseph Smith that there's

1154
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,600
too much here to go into and
podcasts of this Lane.

1155
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,000
So you know, we're just we're
gonna keep it a little bit

1156
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,000
shorter but basically if you
want to get the entire book,

1157
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,900
it's called the last
civilization velocity of zero

1158
01:05:41,900 --> 01:05:45,800
Hamlet by Jonathan Neville and
it's just a fabulous historical,

1159
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,000
Deep dive.
I mean it has all the historical

1160
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,600
background information and
references and so forth so you

1161
01:05:50,607 --> 01:05:51,800
can actually go and look it up
yourself.

1162
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,000
You don't have to trust him or
his research.

1163
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,400
You can actually just look it up
yourself and see what happened.

1164
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:01,700
But the bottom line is, he shows
up there because he had had some

1165
01:06:01,700 --> 01:06:05,900
success in arguing the Mason
America side.

1166
01:06:05,900 --> 01:06:10,100
They are doing for the book and
women using these, this instance

1167
01:06:10,100 --> 01:06:12,900
of Travelers Central America
books by John Lloyd Stevens and

1168
01:06:12,900 --> 01:06:20,300
Cathy wood, he wanted to help
that membership of the church to

1169
01:06:20,300 --> 01:06:23,100
have a good way of explaining
this as well.

1170
01:06:23,107 --> 01:06:28,200
So he was trying to get Joe this
myth on board and just Smith

1171
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:33,200
kind of wasn't doing it.
So he basically he and William

1172
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:34,400
Smith.
Colluded.

1173
01:06:35,100 --> 01:06:37,100
To place articles that he had
published.

1174
01:06:37,100 --> 01:06:40,600
Previously, this is how we know
for sure it was him because he

1175
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,100
published these articles in
Philadelphia and his gospel

1176
01:06:43,100 --> 01:06:45,300
reflector.
And then, essentially the same

1177
01:06:45,300 --> 01:06:47,100
articles show up in the times
and seasons.

1178
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,400
Copy and paste, essentially,
basically copy and paste it in

1179
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:52,600
the Time of the Season times and
Seasons.

1180
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:56,000
What happens in some issues
because they had the, the male

1181
01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:00,900
service there was was corrupt.
And, you know, people would say

1182
01:07:00,900 --> 01:07:03,800
in their money into to subscribe
to the times and Seasons, the

1183
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,700
money would be gone from their
envelopes that, you know, that

1184
01:07:06,700 --> 01:07:11,800
the, the postage was was the
post office was correct there.

1185
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:16,700
That was handling, the Naboo
area and they were not getting

1186
01:07:16,700 --> 01:07:18,200
enough money from the
descriptions.

1187
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,000
They were also being starved of
information.

1188
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,200
So many of the Brotherhood had
gone out and we're doing

1189
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,600
missions and so forth anyway.
So they were, they were looking

1190
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:29,900
for any kind of information they
could put in the times and

1191
01:07:29,908 --> 01:07:33,600
seasons.
And so, William Smith and and

1192
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:43,300
Ben, and to fulfill that void by
putting in Winchester's

1193
01:07:43,300 --> 01:07:44,800
articles, and the times and
Seasons.

1194
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:46,800
Well, when Joseph Smith found
out about it later on.

1195
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,600
He was Pretty ticked off and he
acted.

1196
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:54,200
In fact, he even he, even
censored, Benjamin Winchester

1197
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,600
really, there's an article that
came out in the tendencies that

1198
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:01,200
Benjamin Winchester is hereby
silenced or many further

1199
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:05,600
preaching and so forth because
of he was, does Smith was so

1200
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,600
upset about it, he was that mad.
He was like you're done.

1201
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:13,400
Yeah we Jonathan I did a deep
dive, it's called so Smith new

1202
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:17,500
version 2.0.
I did a deep dive about eight or

1203
01:08:17,500 --> 01:08:21,600
nine ten years ago.
Johnathan Neville's additional

1204
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:25,300
research makes it even more
absolutely clear what was going

1205
01:08:25,300 --> 01:08:29,700
on and these times and seasons
of Articles at after they did

1206
01:08:29,700 --> 01:08:33,399
the first time Joseph Smith
called him to repentance the

1207
01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:35,800
second time.
They did, it was about six

1208
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:40,600
months later, he says, September
does Smith not only.

1209
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:42,399
He shut down the times and
Seasons.

1210
01:08:42,399 --> 01:08:46,200
He fired his own brother and
Winchester and kicked them out

1211
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,500
of the times and seasons.
And then but he couldn't, he

1212
01:08:49,500 --> 01:08:52,800
couldn't do a retraction and
Jonathan explains that because

1213
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:57,000
they had at the time there was a
lot of anti sediments going on.

1214
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:01,899
There was this, this, this
another publication that was

1215
01:09:01,899 --> 01:09:06,700
that was attacking the church.
Just miss little brother William

1216
01:09:06,700 --> 01:09:10,000
responded with what with the
beginning to publish.

1217
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,800
What he called The Wasp, you
know, what is the WASP?

1218
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:17,200
Do it stings.
So, so anyway, it was, it was a

1219
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:19,200
tough time at that point in time
at the church.

1220
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:22,200
And so Joseph Smith couldn't
really print a retraction

1221
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,200
because it would reflect on the
fact that he wasn't actually

1222
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:31,500
able to edit.
And in fact, we have evidence

1223
01:09:31,500 --> 01:09:34,600
that he in many times many
instances, he didn't even know

1224
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:38,500
what was coming out in the pens
and Seasons until after it come

1225
01:09:38,500 --> 01:09:41,399
out interested.
But yeah, boilerplate of the

1226
01:09:41,407 --> 01:09:45,000
times and seasons and says, the
time of seasons is owned on

1227
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,500
operated and printed in probably
by Joe Smith and not who

1228
01:09:48,500 --> 01:09:52,000
Illinois on the corner Bain
Street and Water Street, or

1229
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:57,400
something like that. but it was
just, that was just a I think

1230
01:09:57,407 --> 01:09:59,900
that they would always put in
the bottom of it just to give

1231
01:09:59,900 --> 01:10:02,800
credibility to the paper and
they're asking.

1232
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,800
So if Joseph, Smith was actually
printing setting, the type and

1233
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:09,300
we know he wasn't doing that, he
was too busy to do that.

1234
01:10:09,300 --> 01:10:11,800
He had lots of other things on
his plate, running it running

1235
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:14,900
the city of Nauvoo and then I
will Legion and being, you know,

1236
01:10:14,900 --> 01:10:18,100
and properly.
Governor Boggs was was trying to

1237
01:10:18,108 --> 01:10:22,300
Target him for potential
assassination, attempt and Etc.

1238
01:10:22,300 --> 01:10:27,100
So he was a busy guy, right?
He didn't have time to be sit

1239
01:10:27,100 --> 01:10:30,100
there and watch the Tennessee.
So, bottom line is that we've

1240
01:10:30,100 --> 01:10:32,800
been able to show definitively
through church history.

1241
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:37,600
That Joseph Smith was not
responsible for, and if that

1242
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:41,600
took action against those who
played these mesoamerica

1243
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:45,700
setting, stuff into the times
and seasons, He never agreed

1244
01:10:45,700 --> 01:10:47,100
with it.
So let's set that.

1245
01:10:47,100 --> 01:10:50,300
So if we if we just go back to
the this information here,

1246
01:10:51,500 --> 01:10:54,300
coming back to the scriptures
and basically using them for

1247
01:10:54,300 --> 01:10:58,100
what they're actually meant for.
One of the questions that comes

1248
01:10:58,100 --> 01:11:00,400
up, where is the first recorded
land of promises scripture?

1249
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:05,800
Well, I, I don't know if it uses
that term, but I would think the

1250
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,800
first time that, that the
Heartland would be mentioned

1251
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:12,900
would be, you know, essentially
Genesis, and the Book of Moses

1252
01:11:12,900 --> 01:11:16,300
and Abraham because that's where
the Garden of Eden is yeah.

1253
01:11:16,300 --> 01:11:18,800
Yeah, exactly.
Usually, when I asked this

1254
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,400
question, Dave, that's kind of
say, where would you expect the

1255
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,700
earliest recorded Land Of
Promise in the scriptures where

1256
01:11:25,700 --> 01:11:28,100
you think it'd be Genesis?
And I said, and that's the

1257
01:11:28,100 --> 01:11:29,900
first, that's the first
incorrect answer.

1258
01:11:30,700 --> 01:11:34,800
All right.
But you're right.

1259
01:11:37,300 --> 01:11:38,200
The other two that you
mentioned.

1260
01:11:38,900 --> 01:11:42,600
Which is Abraham and Moses.
So let's let's go to Moses

1261
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:45,500
chapter 6.
And and this one, it basically

1262
01:11:45,500 --> 01:11:49,800
says that let me move this just
a little bit here so I can see

1263
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,400
this little better.
Okay.

1264
01:11:55,200 --> 01:12:00,300
Okay, it says an Enos who was
Enos, he was a grandson of Adam,

1265
01:12:00,300 --> 01:12:05,000
he lived 90 years and he began.
And notice the spelling of Kenan

1266
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:08,000
here c.
I n a n, right, okay.

1267
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:09,900
So that's different than the
Canon of the old world.

1268
01:12:09,900 --> 01:12:14,000
Let's just see a n a, a n.
An Edison and the resident of

1269
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:17,200
the people of God, came out of
the land called xuan and dwelt

1270
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:20,200
in a land of promise.
Which he called after his own

1271
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:24,000
son, whom he named Canaan.
So this, this the first mention

1272
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,200
of the land of promise anywhere
in the standard works.

1273
01:12:26,900 --> 01:12:31,400
Is here in Moses, chapter 6,
verse 17, and it was named after

1274
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:35,700
Adam's great-grandson.
Okay, and where was this land of

1275
01:12:35,700 --> 01:12:37,500
promise located?
Where was it?

1276
01:12:37,500 --> 01:12:39,900
Where was this?
Because this this is

1277
01:12:39,900 --> 01:12:42,500
establishing the very first land
of promise.

1278
01:12:43,300 --> 01:12:47,500
And Dr. Kevin section 107, the
the Lord revealed to Joseph

1279
01:12:47,500 --> 01:12:49,600
Smith at 3 years before Adam
died.

1280
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:54,600
He called Seth Enos and Canaan.
You see, this is the order atom

1281
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:59,600
has Seth, who had Seth, and he
has had Cain, and Also my Leo

1282
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:01,800
Jared in the thus love, we're
all high priest with the

1283
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:05,800
resident of the prosody
righteous into the valley, and

1284
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:09,100
I'm on there, be stowed upon
them his last blessing.

1285
01:13:10,300 --> 01:13:13,600
So, so from from when Adam and
Eve were expelled from the

1286
01:13:13,608 --> 01:13:17,400
Garden of Eden and they were now
living their life out here in

1287
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,900
the world.
Basically, we know what the

1288
01:13:20,907 --> 01:13:25,300
Garden of Eden was located.
Okay, by Revelation.

1289
01:13:25,300 --> 01:13:28,400
And here we have three years
before his death.

1290
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,800
So Adam lived to be what 930
years old, right?

1291
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:37,500
He's atom is 927 years old at
this point in time and he

1292
01:13:37,500 --> 01:13:40,500
gathers all of his righteous
posterity together at this place

1293
01:13:40,500 --> 01:13:43,700
called Adam.
And right, so let me ask you a

1294
01:13:43,700 --> 01:13:46,100
question.
If they started off at the

1295
01:13:46,100 --> 01:13:47,900
Garden of Eden, the Garden of
Eden was in Missouri.

1296
01:13:47,900 --> 01:13:52,900
And then night, you know, 100,
excuse me, 927 years later,

1297
01:13:52,900 --> 01:13:58,200
they're still there in Missouri.
How far did they go?

1298
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:01,700
Did they did they go to other
continents that they go to other

1299
01:14:01,700 --> 01:14:03,500
you know, other other parts of
the earth?

1300
01:14:03,500 --> 01:14:07,100
Well, it doesn't appear like it
seems like I mean that we know

1301
01:14:07,108 --> 01:14:09,600
that they had to physically be
there to receive the blessing

1302
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,500
under the hands of the father
Adam, right?

1303
01:14:11,500 --> 01:14:16,100
Right.
So This Land Of Promise, then we

1304
01:14:16,100 --> 01:14:21,200
feel very confident that this
land of promise is here, right?

1305
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,400
This area.
And just in case anybody was

1306
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,600
wondering, there's a sign.
Yeah.

1307
01:14:28,100 --> 01:14:30,300
Yeah, looking for a sign.
There's a sign.

1308
01:14:30,300 --> 01:14:32,700
Okay, this is the valley of Adam
on them.

1309
01:14:32,700 --> 01:14:33,600
Right?
Right.

1310
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,500
And we know exactly where this
atom on Amazon is located

1311
01:14:36,500 --> 01:14:38,000
because Joe Smith received
again.

1312
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:43,500
This is not speculation, this is
revelation section, 116, the

1313
01:14:43,500 --> 01:14:45,800
doctor and Cummins basically
says Spring Hill, is named by

1314
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:49,000
the Lord, Adam on the almond.
Because he says it's the place

1315
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:51,400
where Adam should come to
business people or the Ancient

1316
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:53,600
of Days shall sit the spoken by
Daniel the Prophet.

1317
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:59,200
Then this this is said to be
near White's Ferry at a place

1318
01:14:59,208 --> 01:15:01,300
called Spring Hill and Daviess
County Missouri.

1319
01:15:01,300 --> 01:15:06,600
This is a pretty dang, exact
Revelation, right?

1320
01:15:07,500 --> 01:15:09,400
Right?
And so far, I've never heard of

1321
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:12,800
anybody talking about the two
and one, two atom on the Almond

1322
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,300
Theory.
Right, right?

1323
01:15:14,300 --> 01:15:16,800
Right.
You something else that I think

1324
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,900
is?
Is super fascinating.

1325
01:15:19,900 --> 01:15:27,200
Is that the winding up scene?
Is in the same place as kind of

1326
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:28,500
the beginning.
Yeah.

1327
01:15:28,500 --> 01:15:31,100
Right.
The Lord returns back to the

1328
01:15:31,100 --> 01:15:34,800
place of Covenant.
Um yes and and that's super

1329
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,200
important.
I think keep in mind here too,

1330
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:41,300
is because I think we see this
pattern more often than not and

1331
01:15:41,300 --> 01:15:45,300
in scripture and in the accounts
here is going back to the

1332
01:15:45,300 --> 01:15:47,800
beginning, so to speak.
Yeah.

1333
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:51,600
Well and when when Scott has
established a promised land,

1334
01:15:51,608 --> 01:16:00,000
does that land error?
Become not a Promised Land.

1335
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:05,200
I mean does it lose its Promised
Land status at some point?

1336
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:09,400
I can't there's a promise on
demand or the people Right.

1337
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:13,000
Yeah I can't think of a time
where it's lost its status right

1338
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,900
now, people may grow Wicked and
be cast off the land, but that

1339
01:16:16,900 --> 01:16:19,900
doesn't mean that the land
itself isn't promised.

1340
01:16:19,900 --> 01:16:21,900
It just means you're not
righteous enough to dwell upon

1341
01:16:21,900 --> 01:16:24,000
it.
That's right.

1342
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,800
And we're gonna get into that
and just a second, from a

1343
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,300
scriptural standpoint.
Yeah, so there's another sign

1344
01:16:29,300 --> 01:16:31,100
there.
But that, so this cannon is over

1345
01:16:31,100 --> 01:16:36,600
here in this general area, right
on Monday and You know that the

1346
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:40,700
Garden of Eden Missouri.
If you will, that area is the

1347
01:16:40,700 --> 01:16:44,300
promised land called Canaan.
Now then we get down to a point

1348
01:16:44,308 --> 01:16:48,100
where there's this this profit
and Adam's time for.

1349
01:16:48,100 --> 01:16:52,400
You know what I should say.
Adams lifetime frame by the name

1350
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:54,800
of who's this guy?
No one.

1351
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:58,200
It's Noah.
Yeah, and so Noah is gonna build

1352
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:00,000
an ark.
The people have become so

1353
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,200
wicked.
That they basically, it's the

1354
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:04,900
Lord can't allow.
This is interesting thing that

1355
01:17:04,900 --> 01:17:06,200
we're gonna get into a little
bit more too.

1356
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:10,600
As that the when you have a
Promise Land, There is a

1357
01:17:10,608 --> 01:17:13,300
covenant, right?
And God made the Covenant with

1358
01:17:13,300 --> 01:17:16,200
these people and Adams posterity
that, as long as they were

1359
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:19,100
righteous, they get to stay on
this Promised Land which is been

1360
01:17:19,100 --> 01:17:22,900
given everything that they need
to prosper and to, and to

1361
01:17:22,907 --> 01:17:25,700
succeed.
Yeah, I mean, you know, from

1362
01:17:25,700 --> 01:17:29,400
natural resources and so forth.
I mean, basically, they're going

1363
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:31,100
to be able to see in this
Promised Land.

1364
01:17:31,108 --> 01:17:34,000
They're actually promised that,
but when the people turned their

1365
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:39,400
backs on God, God can't allow
Wicked people to remain on this

1366
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:42,900
special land that he said up
specifically for his purposes.

1367
01:17:42,900 --> 01:17:44,900
And we're going to talk about
that here just a second because

1368
01:17:44,900 --> 01:17:48,300
it has to do with Noah here.
Anyway, so we have no ability

1369
01:17:48,300 --> 01:17:50,000
Ark know where to Noah build the
ark then.

1370
01:17:50,900 --> 01:17:52,900
It would place in America.
Yeah, yep.

1371
01:17:52,900 --> 01:17:55,800
Some place in the Heartland,
now, interestingly enough,

1372
01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:01,400
according to biblical sources,
The Arc ended up over in the

1373
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:03,900
mountains of air at over in
Turkey.

1374
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:12,400
Um, there have been people
members of the church and so

1375
01:18:12,407 --> 01:18:16,200
forth that have said that Noah's
fled was not really a real

1376
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:17,400
event.
It didn't really happen.

1377
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:21,700
It was maybe a local event or
maybe it was just symbolic.

1378
01:18:22,500 --> 01:18:25,500
Right, how do you symbolically
get the ark?

1379
01:18:26,300 --> 01:18:31,100
From America to to Mount Airy or
how does that happen in a local

1380
01:18:31,108 --> 01:18:32,500
flood?
Right.

1381
01:18:32,500 --> 01:18:34,700
Right.
He does.

1382
01:18:34,708 --> 01:18:36,500
It doesn't happen if it's
localized.

1383
01:18:36,500 --> 01:18:41,300
The other to me about the flood
is we have a lot of different

1384
01:18:41,300 --> 01:18:45,800
floods from a lot.
It seems almost ubiquitous from

1385
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:50,100
society, just society.
And interestingly enough as of

1386
01:18:50,100 --> 01:18:53,900
late, if we look at the
Washington scablands some new

1387
01:18:53,900 --> 01:18:58,400
research on the Grand Canyon
that does not seem to be a time

1388
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:00,900
in Memorial kind of event.
Right.

1389
01:19:00,900 --> 01:19:04,800
Well, it starts looking more
like a catastrophic kind of

1390
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:08,900
event that doesn't quickly.
Exactly.

1391
01:19:08,900 --> 01:19:12,300
So, you know, so the really The
Book of Mormon actually,

1392
01:19:12,300 --> 01:19:14,200
testifies is, you know, that the
Book of Mormon actually,

1393
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:18,400
testifies of Noah's flood.
Kind of indirectly because when

1394
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:23,500
when Nephi and his and the, you
know, the Lehigh Colony,

1395
01:19:23,500 --> 01:19:27,700
basically arrived in America.
They said that they have that

1396
01:19:27,700 --> 01:19:30,100
there's a there's a part in the
book environment, but they say

1397
01:19:30,100 --> 01:19:34,900
that, it says, when we got here,
he said that the After the flood

1398
01:19:34,900 --> 01:19:37,700
water received from off the face
of this land, this is actually

1399
01:19:37,700 --> 01:19:40,900
talking about the jaredites.
just for the flood waters,

1400
01:19:40,900 --> 01:19:45,100
receded, from off the face of
this, land, it again became a

1401
01:19:45,100 --> 01:19:48,700
promise land because it had been
cleansed Interesting.

1402
01:19:48,700 --> 01:19:51,300
Okay.
That's which means the flood

1403
01:19:51,300 --> 01:19:53,600
waters were over in America as
well.

1404
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:58,100
Yeah, before the jaredites
returned back, it had been, you

1405
01:19:58,100 --> 01:20:01,000
know, the flooded flooded
America, right?

1406
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:04,300
And then, and then then later on
with the Jared and I have to

1407
01:20:04,308 --> 01:20:08,800
Tower of Babel, so forth and
they came back over then, they

1408
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:11,700
were brought back to the same
Promise Land, which is the same

1409
01:20:11,708 --> 01:20:14,700
promise land that was where the
gospel is restored.

1410
01:20:14,700 --> 01:20:16,300
It's where the new dresses going
to be.

1411
01:20:16,300 --> 01:20:20,300
I mean, this property, in fact,
Joseph Smith.

1412
01:20:20,300 --> 01:20:24,800
There's, there's a monument
there in far west where Joseph

1413
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,900
Smith receives the Revelation,
he said and God called that my

1414
01:20:27,900 --> 01:20:31,100
sacred land.
Interesting.

1415
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:33,600
Okay.
That's what that's what, that's

1416
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:37,600
what the Lord called that area
around around Far, West.

1417
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,600
Well, the whole region there in
Missouri, right?

1418
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:45,100
Okay, this is my sacred land.
So this has been a sacred land

1419
01:20:45,100 --> 01:20:48,700
from from the beginning of time
and it will continue to be a

1420
01:20:48,700 --> 01:20:50,600
sacred land.
Through the end of time.

1421
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:54,400
When we have the New Jerusalem,
you know, I was gonna be there

1422
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:57,800
and so forth.
So this is always been a sacred

1423
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:01,500
land.
Um, and but there's not, but

1424
01:21:01,500 --> 01:21:03,300
there's kind of two promised
lands here so they have this

1425
01:21:03,300 --> 01:21:05,400
Mount Airy.
So Noah goes over there.

1426
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:07,800
No, it has a three sons, him and
Jake.

1427
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:11,300
Both they out over the land shim
hat.

1428
01:21:11,300 --> 01:21:14,200
If you follow the Shem lying
down, you get down to Abraham

1429
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:17,300
and Isaac and we know the story
of Abraham and Isaac, I love the

1430
01:21:17,300 --> 01:21:19,200
story.
I love this painting although

1431
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:23,600
it's not accurate because Isaac
was not a young lad at the time.

1432
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:27,000
He was a full grown man,
probably could have easily

1433
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:32,700
overpowered his father but just
like, you know, just like Christ

1434
01:21:32,700 --> 01:21:38,700
honors his father.
By doing what his father says,

1435
01:21:38,700 --> 01:21:43,500
Isaac also honored his father by
basically submitting to him,

1436
01:21:43,500 --> 01:21:44,300
right?
Right.

1437
01:21:44,300 --> 01:21:46,300
Just like Christ Smith himself
to God.

1438
01:21:47,100 --> 01:21:50,300
Anyway, so we get down to
Abraham and because of Abraham's

1439
01:21:50,300 --> 01:21:53,500
unflinching willingness to
follow God, no matter what, even

1440
01:21:53,500 --> 01:21:57,700
the sacrifice of his own son,
which he had, as we know, he had

1441
01:21:57,700 --> 01:22:00,100
such a hard time getting in the
first place, you know.

1442
01:22:00,100 --> 01:22:02,900
Yeah, so he has this really
difficult time.

1443
01:22:02,900 --> 01:22:07,000
Getting this sunny, finally gets
his son. and now God basically

1444
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:12,700
says You gotta sacrifice him.
So, he was willing to give up

1445
01:22:12,700 --> 01:22:17,100
his most cherished.
You know, blessing from God.

1446
01:22:17,100 --> 01:22:20,700
And that's the reason why he was
blessed with the particular

1447
01:22:20,700 --> 01:22:23,000
blessing.
We call this that Abraham a

1448
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:24,500
covenant.
It actually didn't necessarily

1449
01:22:24,500 --> 01:22:27,300
start with Abraham but Abraham
renewed.

1450
01:22:27,300 --> 01:22:30,000
The Covenant right?
Having actually started with

1451
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:33,300
with Adam and Eve and the Garden
of Eden but let's talk about

1452
01:22:33,300 --> 01:22:36,300
that for just a second.
So where did this place happen?

1453
01:22:36,300 --> 01:22:40,600
When, you know, when we talk
about Abraham and Isaac do

1454
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:42,200
places matter?
Yeah.

1455
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:44,900
Are there other places that are
more sacred or whatever than

1456
01:22:44,900 --> 01:22:47,600
other places and I think the
answer to that is?

1457
01:22:47,608 --> 01:22:49,400
Yes.
Where did this actually take

1458
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,200
place?
Well, according to the biblical

1459
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:52,700
sources that happened on Mount
Moriah.

1460
01:22:52,700 --> 01:22:56,400
And where is Mount Moriah?
Today, it's Dome of the Rock,

1461
01:22:56,407 --> 01:22:58,300
right?
It's it's on there.

1462
01:22:58,300 --> 01:23:02,000
Where Temple Solomon's Temple
used to be, don't know the rock.

1463
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:03,900
Now.
That's that was the area, right?

1464
01:23:03,900 --> 01:23:07,800
Yeah.
And when I, when I took this

1465
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:12,600
picture a few years ago and I
was over there in Israel, one of

1466
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:15,400
the things that struck me is
that if you take a look at this

1467
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:22,800
place, you know, it's really not
all that awesome right now.

1468
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:27,100
I mean, you look at me it's it's
pretty bleak, right?

1469
01:23:27,100 --> 01:23:29,000
It's not really beautiful to the
eye.

1470
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:32,100
It has no natural resources that
we I mean no, no, major.

1471
01:23:32,100 --> 01:23:35,800
I mean, there's no major oil
deposits or gold or silver or

1472
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:39,400
copy posits or are really
anything that would make this

1473
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:43,800
site specifically important, you
know, for for humans basically

1474
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,400
it's not hardly any trees is
kind of a desert.

1475
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:49,100
You know?
I mean, it's just, it's not a

1476
01:23:49,100 --> 01:23:51,900
pretty place but yet you have
three of the most powerful.

1477
01:23:51,900 --> 01:23:55,600
Religions on the planet, you
have the Muslims, the Jews, and

1478
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,600
the Christians.
They're all willing to basically

1479
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,600
fight and die over who gets to
control that place.

1480
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:02,800
Right.
Wow.

1481
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:06,500
Is that?
It's because each one of those

1482
01:24:06,500 --> 01:24:11,100
groups, the Muslims, the, the
Jews and the Christians, they

1483
01:24:11,100 --> 01:24:14,700
all want to be partakers in the
blessings of the Covenant that

1484
01:24:14,700 --> 01:24:19,500
God made with Abraham
specifically at this point this

1485
01:24:19,500 --> 01:24:23,700
price, this this land, right?
Yep, the the site.

1486
01:24:23,700 --> 01:24:28,100
Well, in it just goes back, you
know as well to man's yearning

1487
01:24:28,100 --> 01:24:31,100
for Sacred Space, right?
This is the place where we

1488
01:24:31,100 --> 01:24:35,700
connect to our God.
And and, and, and likewise we

1489
01:24:35,700 --> 01:24:38,300
should expect to see stuff like
that when we start talking about

1490
01:24:38,300 --> 01:24:41,200
the Book of Mormon, right?
It's the place where you want to

1491
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:44,800
connect with your God.
Sacred sacred places, right?

1492
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:46,900
Yes.
So here God made this coming

1493
01:24:46,900 --> 01:24:49,700
with with Abraham.
And what was exactly the

1494
01:24:49,700 --> 01:24:50,900
Covenant.
What was this coming?

1495
01:24:50,900 --> 01:24:54,100
That God made me with Abraham.
Well, I, I've got this.

1496
01:24:54,100 --> 01:24:56,800
This is an abbreviated version
of it, but basically, he first

1497
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:59,100
actually gave him a land.
I have all the scriptures that

1498
01:24:59,100 --> 01:25:01,500
go along with this and in my
longer version, but they cut

1499
01:25:01,508 --> 01:25:05,900
this down and save some time.
But he talks about the limit and

1500
01:25:05,900 --> 01:25:10,200
you know, that all of the land,
the land of Canon.

1501
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,800
He says, all this land, I give
the until they posterity

1502
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,500
forever.
He said, and how long is forever

1503
01:25:15,500 --> 01:25:19,900
with God?
Forever for like no very long

1504
01:25:19,900 --> 01:25:25,800
time.
Excuse me, I guess I get I guess

1505
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:30,300
I didn't take that out.
That Abraham chapter two says

1506
01:25:30,300 --> 01:25:33,400
the land of the Canaanites under
thy seed will I give this land

1507
01:25:34,300 --> 01:25:38,800
Right.
So this is Kenan and Kanan.

1508
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:43,900
Yep, they're the phonetically,
they're the same word, but

1509
01:25:43,900 --> 01:25:46,100
they're spelled differently.
So you can differentiate between

1510
01:25:46,100 --> 01:25:50,800
the new world and the old with
the world, actually has a

1511
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:52,700
backwards.
The old world is actually here

1512
01:25:52,700 --> 01:25:56,300
in America and the new world
would be in, you know, in Europe

1513
01:25:56,300 --> 01:25:59,500
and Asia, basically, but we call
it the other way.

1514
01:25:59,500 --> 01:26:02,800
So to keep things so we can
understand what this call it.

1515
01:26:02,808 --> 01:26:04,700
The old world is the old world
Kane in there.

1516
01:26:06,100 --> 01:26:07,300
How many times are there for
that?

1517
01:26:07,300 --> 01:26:10,600
I actually turned to the
probably the I would guess that

1518
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:14,500
he's probably the most
authoritative figure on how on

1519
01:26:14,500 --> 01:26:16,500
promised lands and where they're
located.

1520
01:26:17,300 --> 01:26:22,300
And that's Jesus Christ himself.
So yeah, it's a good.

1521
01:26:23,300 --> 01:26:24,600
He's a pretty good authority,
right?

1522
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:28,100
And when he was with the beneath
fights, in the Book of Mormon of

1523
01:26:28,100 --> 01:26:31,500
third Nephi, he told us about
the promised lands, he said,

1524
01:26:31,500 --> 01:26:34,400
then 30th chapter 20 verse 29,
says, and I will remember the

1525
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:38,500
Covenant, which I made with my
people says I made a cont with

1526
01:26:38,500 --> 01:26:40,600
them, that I would gather them
together my own due time and I'm

1527
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:42,500
giving them again the land of
their fathers for their

1528
01:26:42,508 --> 01:26:45,900
inheritance, which is the land
of Jerusalem, which is the

1529
01:26:45,900 --> 01:26:49,700
promised land unto them again.
For how long forever.

1530
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:54,400
CF father.
So this is not just Christ.

1531
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,600
This is going above Christ's
head, right?

1532
01:26:56,600 --> 01:27:00,600
This is this is Elohim.
Yep, saying this, right?

1533
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:04,500
And it's forever.
According to God himself that

1534
01:27:04,500 --> 01:27:07,400
this land of Jerusalem is the
promised land.

1535
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:11,100
So, there we go.
This is Promised Land that was

1536
01:27:11,100 --> 01:27:14,400
giving to Abraham and Isaac.
But in the same chapter in 135,

1537
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:17,800
when prices with beneath fights,
he didn't also said this, he

1538
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:20,900
says, behold this people, well,
I established in this land, who

1539
01:27:20,900 --> 01:27:22,200
are the people talking about
here?

1540
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,700
It would be not talking about
the knights here.

1541
01:27:24,700 --> 01:27:26,700
He's actually talking about the
Gentiles.

1542
01:27:26,700 --> 01:27:31,300
Okay, ultimately we're going to
take over this land because he's

1543
01:27:31,300 --> 01:27:33,200
talking about how the Gentiles
are going to come and they're

1544
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:35,000
going to, you know, so forth.
They said, behold this people

1545
01:27:35,900 --> 01:27:39,200
Being the Gentiles.
Will I establish in this land?

1546
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:41,200
Now what land is he talking
about here?

1547
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:44,900
He's talking about the land,
he's on right America there with

1548
01:27:44,907 --> 01:27:48,000
an Evite said and the
Fulfillment of the Covenant,

1549
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:52,200
which I made with your father
Jacob and it meaning this land

1550
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:57,000
shall be a New Jerusalem.
Interesting.

1551
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:02,900
So, you have Jerusalem, and the
New Jerusalem, two two separate

1552
01:28:02,900 --> 01:28:07,500
places the same name, but he
wants differentiate between the

1553
01:28:07,500 --> 01:28:10,000
old and the New Jerusalem, okay?
Right.

1554
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:11,200
And that's a, that's what he's
talking about.

1555
01:28:11,208 --> 01:28:13,600
So the bottom line, you see a
pattern developing here?

1556
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:15,700
Yep.
Yep, absolutely.

1557
01:28:15,700 --> 01:28:19,800
Yeah.
So that's the case.

1558
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:21,300
These are the two promised
lands.

1559
01:28:21,300 --> 01:28:23,100
These are the two Covenant
gathering places for the house

1560
01:28:23,100 --> 01:28:25,700
of Israel.
This is, these are the two

1561
01:28:25,700 --> 01:28:31,600
places where God set up his,
his, his religion, his gospel.

1562
01:28:32,900 --> 01:28:36,000
Okay.
And I can go and do a lot more.

1563
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:37,900
Tell about all the different
things that have happened

1564
01:28:37,900 --> 01:28:42,100
significantly on in the history
of the earth that started with

1565
01:28:42,100 --> 01:28:46,400
these two places.
So but we don't have the time to

1566
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:49,800
get into all that but but so
let's go back into the Smith new

1567
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:53,700
so they essentially.
So this is on March, the 7th of

1568
01:28:53,700 --> 01:28:57,700
1831.
Well actually, this is February

1569
01:28:57,700 --> 01:29:01,100
9th of 1831.
He says, thou shall ask it shall

1570
01:29:01,100 --> 01:29:03,800
be reveal them to you in my own
due time where the New Jerusalem

1571
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:08,500
shall be built, okay?
So it's kind of teasing the

1572
01:29:08,500 --> 01:29:09,200
Smith.
Yeah.

1573
01:29:10,300 --> 01:29:11,000
Yep.
Okay.

1574
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:14,400
I'm gonna tell you but not yet,
right?

1575
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:18,300
That's in DNC.
Doctor coming for 6:42, a month

1576
01:29:18,308 --> 01:29:20,000
later.
The Lord began to fill us

1577
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:22,300
promises gather up from the
Eastern lands.

1578
01:29:22,300 --> 01:29:24,000
Go forth into the Western
countries.

1579
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,700
Okay.
And it says, and it should be

1580
01:29:27,700 --> 01:29:32,000
called the New Jerusalem, a land
of peace and place of safety

1581
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:35,900
refuge and so forth, okay?
That's the SEC, 40 five.

1582
01:29:35,900 --> 01:29:38,800
And then this is where he
actually about a year and a

1583
01:29:38,808 --> 01:29:41,500
half.
After that, in September of 1832

1584
01:29:41,500 --> 01:29:44,300
the Lord completed his promise
to Jealous, by giving him the

1585
01:29:44,300 --> 01:29:46,100
exact location of the book of
the New Jerusalem.

1586
01:29:46,100 --> 01:29:50,500
He says, this is as clear as you
can get, you know, I mean I you

1587
01:29:50,500 --> 01:29:54,500
really can't argue this point.
At least not very well.

1588
01:29:54,500 --> 01:29:57,500
Okay, so right, it's the
revelation of Jesus Christ and

1589
01:29:57,500 --> 01:30:00,800
his servant Joseph Smith stand
upon Mount Zion, which be the

1590
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:04,300
city of New Jerusalem which city
shall be built beginning.

1591
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:08,800
At the temple, lot of pointed by
the finger of the Lord, in the

1592
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:10,700
western boundaries of the state
of Missouri.

1593
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:17,400
Or in Missouri or Missouri.
My mom is originally from from

1594
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:20,200
Saint Louis, and she always
said, it's not, it's not called

1595
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:22,400
Missouri, it's called Missouri.
Right?

1596
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:25,300
Actually went to people who are
there in Missouri and they said,

1597
01:30:25,300 --> 01:30:26,700
no, it's Missouri.
So, anyway, I don't know.

1598
01:30:28,500 --> 01:30:30,900
You live there.
Dave it's Missouri or Missouri,

1599
01:30:30,900 --> 01:30:33,900
you know, most people I hang out
with it's still Missouri.

1600
01:30:33,900 --> 01:30:37,500
Now I do know that there are
some other folks that will call

1601
01:30:37,500 --> 01:30:39,600
it Missouri and far be it for
me.

1602
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:41,600
I'm a newcomer.
So I'm not gonna argue with

1603
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:45,600
anybody on this and I'll take
the correction wherever it

1604
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:49,300
comes.
Well, I have a lot of friends in

1605
01:30:49,300 --> 01:30:51,600
Missouri and most of them always
say Missouri.

1606
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:53,200
I think it was an old school
thing.

1607
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:58,500
Maybe my, my mom's parents
called, it mizura back at that

1608
01:30:58,500 --> 01:31:00,400
time.
But anyway, he's dedicated by

1609
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:03,400
the hand of does this myth,
very, this is the word of the

1610
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:06,700
Lord, that the city of New
Jersey by the Gathering the

1611
01:31:06,700 --> 01:31:08,900
Saints begin at this place, even
the place of the temple.

1612
01:31:08,900 --> 01:31:10,900
So I think it's pretty darn
clear.

1613
01:31:10,900 --> 01:31:14,900
Missouri USA is where the New
Jerusalem is located.

1614
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:18,400
It's everybody with me so far oh
yeah.

1615
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:22,000
Yep.
Okay so if that's the case and

1616
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:26,300
that then we have the very first
land of promise was here.

1617
01:31:27,300 --> 01:31:29,900
The New Jerusalem in the future
is going to be here.

1618
01:31:29,900 --> 01:31:32,600
So it sounds to me like this is
truth.

1619
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:36,400
This is past present and future
Missouri.

1620
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:41,900
USA is the New Jerusalem and
then even this is actually 45 in

1621
01:31:41,900 --> 01:31:45,100
the nutrition.
She'll be called Zion and Moses.

1622
01:31:45,100 --> 01:31:47,600
It should be called, Zion a New
Jerusalem.

1623
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:50,600
He's going to prepare holy city.
Now, some people talk about

1624
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:53,900
Zion, And there is kind of two
definitions of Zion.

1625
01:31:53,900 --> 01:31:56,200
There's kind of the more
esoteric definition of Zion,

1626
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:59,300
which means the pure in heart.
There's actually a physical

1627
01:31:59,300 --> 01:32:01,600
location that's going to be
called Zion in the future,

1628
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:04,000
right?
And that Zion he's talking

1629
01:32:04,008 --> 01:32:07,700
about, I'm going to prepare a
holy city and there should be my

1630
01:32:07,700 --> 01:32:10,200
Tabernacle should be called Zion
and New Jerusalem.

1631
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:13,300
Of course in the article, the
faith that Joseph Smith, you

1632
01:32:13,300 --> 01:32:14,500
know, put together.
He said we believe in the

1633
01:32:14,500 --> 01:32:17,500
literal of Israel.
The restoration is 10 tribes and

1634
01:32:17,508 --> 01:32:20,900
that Zion the New Jerusalem will
be upon the American continent.

1635
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:27,300
Okay, so the Zion is the same
thing here, right inside.

1636
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:32,500
I have a whole and one of my
earliest presentations I have a

1637
01:32:32,500 --> 01:32:36,400
whole string of scriptures that
also does this is going to be

1638
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:37,700
kind of an abbreviated version
of that.

1639
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:41,200
But here we talked about this
land which is the land of

1640
01:32:41,208 --> 01:32:44,000
mystery.
This is the land of promise, the

1641
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:46,700
place of the city of Zion and
behold the place is now called

1642
01:32:46,708 --> 01:32:49,700
Independence.
Is the center place I go, I hate

1643
01:32:49,700 --> 01:32:50,600
it.
When the Lord kind of Beats

1644
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:53,000
around the bush doesn't really
tell us exactly what he means.

1645
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:56,500
Right.
Yeah, that's pretty clear Rod.

1646
01:32:56,500 --> 01:33:00,700
I mean, I mean you know that
down pretty pretty well.

1647
01:33:00,700 --> 01:33:04,600
Yeah.
So what so why am I making a big

1648
01:33:04,608 --> 01:33:08,200
deal about this Missouri?
And then the promise and he

1649
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:11,700
dressed and so forth, okay well
because here in the Book of

1650
01:33:11,700 --> 01:33:14,800
Mormon, we have a double
prophetic witness when I say

1651
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:16,900
double prophetic witness.
What we have is we have ether

1652
01:33:16,900 --> 01:33:21,400
who prophesied That they that
they that the New Jerusalem is

1653
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:25,200
going to be billed on his lands
and then when ether puts it in

1654
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:29,700
his his record, then moron, I
have to come along and he a

1655
01:33:29,700 --> 01:33:33,000
Bridges.
The Jared Knight record ether

1656
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:37,500
basically and here Bridges it
and so this is actually to some

1657
01:33:37,500 --> 01:33:39,500
extent, this is Moroni making
commentary as well.

1658
01:33:40,500 --> 01:33:45,600
And so you have both Moroni and
ether, testifying that their

1659
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:48,500
lands were going to be one day
the New Jerusalem.

1660
01:33:49,500 --> 01:33:52,500
And we know where the New
Jerusalem is by Revelation, this

1661
01:33:52,500 --> 01:33:55,500
is not speculation.
This is not one where a narrow

1662
01:33:55,500 --> 01:33:58,000
neck of land is or where a
narrow passage or whatever.

1663
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:00,200
This is ether, saw the days of
Christ.

1664
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:03,900
He's speaking, certainly, a New
Jerusalem Upon This Land, right?

1665
01:34:03,900 --> 01:34:07,100
I was up and says, in the
nutrition, should be building

1666
01:34:07,100 --> 01:34:08,900
Upon This.
Land of the seat of Joseph.

1667
01:34:08,900 --> 01:34:13,800
Birthday has been a type So then
he also talks about it being

1668
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:16,800
choices about all other lands.
He also said Independence was

1669
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:20,000
going to be a center place.
And that's really important as

1670
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:22,100
well.
Because when Joseph Smith

1671
01:34:22,100 --> 01:34:25,900
received this revelation of the
center place, if we go back to

1672
01:34:25,900 --> 01:34:29,100
that scripture here for just a
second here, okay, says

1673
01:34:29,100 --> 01:34:30,400
Independence is the center
place.

1674
01:34:33,500 --> 01:34:37,700
Independence, was it in the
center of anything Independence

1675
01:34:37,700 --> 01:34:42,500
was the the Far West Western
Edge of civilization beyond that

1676
01:34:42,500 --> 01:34:45,700
it was basically Indian
Territory and Mexican territory

1677
01:34:45,700 --> 01:34:47,800
beyond that.
You know, this is before the

1678
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:51,400
before all of that had been
annexed into the into the United

1679
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:53,800
States, right?
So, when does we see this

1680
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:57,200
Revelation, probably, it's
scratches his head Independence.

1681
01:34:57,200 --> 01:35:01,300
Is the center place the center
of what We're going to get back

1682
01:35:01,300 --> 01:35:04,200
to that, it just a couple
minutes when we understand where

1683
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:06,000
Joseph Smith actually
understood.

1684
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:09,700
What the, what the word America
means to Joseph Smith.

1685
01:35:09,700 --> 01:35:11,700
All right, so going back to
this.

1686
01:35:11,700 --> 01:35:16,500
So we have Section 46.
It's a chosen land.

1687
01:35:16,500 --> 01:35:18,700
It's the land of liberty.
Interestingly enough.

1688
01:35:18,700 --> 01:35:21,500
In the Book of Mormon, there's
eight different times where they

1689
01:35:21,500 --> 01:35:23,700
reference the land in the
future.

1690
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:29,500
That after the Nephites are done
that, when the Gentiles come,

1691
01:35:29,500 --> 01:35:31,800
they talked about it being a
land of liberty, eight times.

1692
01:35:32,900 --> 01:35:35,600
Well, actually call it.
The land of liberty 8 different

1693
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:36,900
times.
So in the, when they're talking

1694
01:35:36,900 --> 01:35:40,100
about these prophecies and he's
promises That's another thing

1695
01:35:40,100 --> 01:35:41,200
that's going to be a choice
land.

1696
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:42,200
That's going to be a land of
liberty.

1697
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:45,600
And this is one of the this is
what I call this scriptural

1698
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:49,400
limiting factor because there's
a lot of people say, well, But

1699
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:52,100
you know, it's all of the
Americas, you know, because

1700
01:35:52,100 --> 01:35:56,100
America but back in those days
was defined as, you know, North

1701
01:35:56,100 --> 01:35:58,600
Central and South America.
That was all of the Americas

1702
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:01,900
because they were joined their
Panama and so forth, right?

1703
01:36:01,900 --> 01:36:06,200
So they're saying that basically
the freshly the show, America

1704
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:11,600
Advocates are saying, well,
Mexico and Guatemala and so

1705
01:36:11,608 --> 01:36:13,900
forth.
And on Doris, they're all part

1706
01:36:13,900 --> 01:36:16,400
of it.
Because they, because they're

1707
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:19,400
all part of America.
I mean, North Central and South

1708
01:36:19,407 --> 01:36:22,200
America, gotcha.
This is the scriptural limiting

1709
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:24,900
factor.
Because it says, it didn't say

1710
01:36:24,900 --> 01:36:26,800
it was all of the entire
hemisphere.

1711
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:30,800
It said it was a nation.
And that says, nevertheless

1712
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:32,600
they'll be whole at the Gentiles
have gone forth that are

1713
01:36:32,608 --> 01:36:35,400
captivity been lifted up by the
power of God above all other

1714
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:38,500
nations upon the face of the
land, which is choice about all

1715
01:36:38,500 --> 01:36:40,300
the lands.
Well what land is that?

1716
01:36:40,300 --> 01:36:42,800
Oh it's the land that the Lord
God has made a covenant with my

1717
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:44,300
father's.
She should have for their

1718
01:36:44,300 --> 01:36:49,500
inheritance.
And so, so he's talking about

1719
01:36:49,500 --> 01:36:52,200
this land of liberty.
It's a Nation about all other

1720
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:57,400
nations. so, it's not all of the
Americas because all of the

1721
01:36:57,407 --> 01:37:01,700
Americas isn't a singular
Nation, right?

1722
01:37:01,700 --> 01:37:06,800
Okay.
And then just a 57.

1723
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:08,400
I just love this land of
Missouri.

1724
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:10,900
This is the place of the
Gathering of the Saints and this

1725
01:37:10,900 --> 01:37:13,000
is the land of promise in the
place for the city of Zion.

1726
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:15,900
Are we going to accept the
Lord's words here?

1727
01:37:15,900 --> 01:37:18,800
As a revelation or where we not?
It's really comes down to that.

1728
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:22,200
Sure sure.
Yeah you know I tend to I tend

1729
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:23,800
to stick with his words on that
stuff.

1730
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:28,500
I feel like I feel like kind of
the arguments over at that

1731
01:37:28,500 --> 01:37:33,700
point. so we get if this is the
land of promise, then it's

1732
01:37:33,700 --> 01:37:37,400
really fascinating because these
are the two and the promise that

1733
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:39,300
are going on in the in the
world.

1734
01:37:39,308 --> 01:37:41,200
These are the two.
This is the two places where the

1735
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:45,100
gospel was initiated, right?
This is where Adam and Eve were.

1736
01:37:45,100 --> 01:37:48,700
This is where the adamantium is
actually, where there was a,

1737
01:37:48,700 --> 01:37:51,400
there was a knee fight altar
there according to Joseph Smith.

1738
01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:53,200
Yep, with it, there's some right
out there.

1739
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:54,900
There's a pretty good bet.
There's Nephites there.

1740
01:37:54,900 --> 01:37:59,900
Yep and then you have basically
Adam and or excuse me, Abraham

1741
01:37:59,900 --> 01:38:03,400
and his posterity and the
special place over there.

1742
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:07,700
So this is where Christ comes to
establishes gospel.

1743
01:38:07,700 --> 01:38:12,400
Then when we have the Dark Ages
basically in the gospel is lost,

1744
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:15,700
then he re-establishes it again
over in the other Promised Land

1745
01:38:16,500 --> 01:38:18,700
Gotcha.
These are these are the two

1746
01:38:18,700 --> 01:38:21,200
promised lands that the two
Covenant gathering places for

1747
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:24,100
the house of Israel.
These two places, and it just

1748
01:38:24,108 --> 01:38:26,400
happens to be even in the
future.

1749
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:30,700
And when in the during the
Millennium, he says that the the

1750
01:38:30,700 --> 01:38:36,000
law will go forth from the the
New Jerusalem and the word will

1751
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:38,800
go forth from the old Jerusalem.
So apparently Christ will reign

1752
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:41,500
personally upon the Earth during
the Millennium and he's going to

1753
01:38:41,500 --> 01:38:44,100
be more or less.
His residence is going to be in

1754
01:38:44,100 --> 01:38:48,100
Jerusalem, but the law that's
going to control the world.

1755
01:38:48,100 --> 01:38:51,500
Basically, the law that people
are going to be living under is

1756
01:38:51,500 --> 01:38:55,100
going to be coming out of
America.

1757
01:38:55,900 --> 01:38:58,600
Right, right.
I remember I remember reading

1758
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:01,200
that being fascinated by that.
Yeah.

1759
01:39:02,300 --> 01:39:04,800
And then just in case anybody
wonders about it being a nation

1760
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:08,700
for first day by chapter 13, is
that I need five be held at the

1761
01:39:08,700 --> 01:39:11,900
Gentiles, they've gone forth out
of captivity where delivered by

1762
01:39:11,900 --> 01:39:14,800
the power of God, out of the
hands of all other nations.

1763
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:17,000
Yep.
So there's other nations that

1764
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:21,000
this nation is not a part of
this was delivered out of these

1765
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:22,700
other nations.
Right?

1766
01:39:22,700 --> 01:39:24,400
And then first need for chapter
22.

1767
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:27,300
This is becomes so clear here.
When you start to go through

1768
01:39:27,300 --> 01:39:31,000
these scriptures in the Book of
Mormon identifying this nation

1769
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:33,800
that would be talked about, does
it means the times going to come

1770
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:36,400
that after all the house of
Israel scattered and confounded

1771
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:39,900
that the Lord God is going to
raise up, I might eat Nation

1772
01:39:39,900 --> 01:39:43,300
among the Gentiles.
So again, he's talking about a

1773
01:39:43,300 --> 01:39:47,000
now you could you could argue
well he's talking about like the

1774
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:50,300
nation of Israel, right?
But the nation of Israel is all

1775
01:39:50,300 --> 01:39:52,500
over the place.
He's talking about a specific

1776
01:39:52,500 --> 01:39:57,100
nation is the governmental
entity and a location on in the

1777
01:39:57,100 --> 01:39:59,400
Americas they that is this
nation.

1778
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:02,700
Even the face of this land, the
land that they're on.

1779
01:40:02,700 --> 01:40:07,600
And then he says and by them I
mean these Gentiles so our seed

1780
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:10,900
be scattered.
So the remnant of the lamanites

1781
01:40:10,900 --> 01:40:12,500
are going to get scattered by
this nation.

1782
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:20,200
And that's another fascinating
and, and really unarguable, you

1783
01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:23,500
know thing, because did the
Native American people get

1784
01:40:23,500 --> 01:40:26,200
scattered by this nation.
Yes, they did.

1785
01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:29,200
And are they still scattered?
Yes they are.

1786
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:34,400
Yes, they are in mesoamerica,
the the nation that was there.

1787
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:38,000
The people that were there with
the Mayans and the Mayans.

1788
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:41,100
There was some scattering that
happened but who still in

1789
01:40:41,100 --> 01:40:44,800
control of the nation, for
example, of Mexico or Guatemala.

1790
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:51,000
It was still indigenous people.
They still in control of it, but

1791
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:54,900
right here, the Gentiles took
control of their lands, right?

1792
01:40:56,200 --> 01:40:58,800
Yo, you really have to look at
this and say, where does this

1793
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:00,900
prophecy actually?
Where does this?

1794
01:41:00,907 --> 01:41:04,400
Where does this been fulfilled?
It turns out that the very first

1795
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:07,400
book that we did.
I did with that with Bruce

1796
01:41:07,400 --> 01:41:11,500
Porter and and I did the initial
research and he did a bunch of

1797
01:41:11,500 --> 01:41:13,600
research as well and he actually
ended up writing the book

1798
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:16,500
because I was too busy to get
actually and he's a better

1799
01:41:16,508 --> 01:41:18,800
writer than I am.
So right?

1800
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:21,400
So we did this book called The
prophecies and Promises.

1801
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:24,800
It was the first ever Deep dive
into the Prophecies of the Book

1802
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:28,500
of Mormon identifying, the
nation of talking about.

1803
01:41:28,500 --> 01:41:33,200
Now, there's, there's 36,
prophecies in the Book of Mormon

1804
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:37,000
about that nation.
And this is what this, this is.

1805
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:40,100
Why we think that the Heartland
model makes the most sense

1806
01:41:40,100 --> 01:41:45,000
because of the 36 prophecies, as
we go through these just really

1807
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:50,600
quickly here, Dave.
You ask yourself what nation is

1808
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:53,600
it that qualifies for these
prophecies?

1809
01:41:54,700 --> 01:41:57,600
Okay, so right, for example, 33
times the book one, they talked

1810
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:01,000
about it being a land of
promise, it said, it'll be 20

1811
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:04,500
times that the number there is
the number 20, for example, is

1812
01:42:04,500 --> 01:42:07,900
the number of times that shows
up in the Book of Mormon of this

1813
01:42:07,900 --> 01:42:10,200
prophecy.
So 20 times, the book aren't

1814
01:42:10,200 --> 01:42:12,600
talks about the land being
consecrated for an inheritance

1815
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:17,400
and inheritance of who write for
God's people.

1816
01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:20,100
Yes the seed of Joseph basically
right.

1817
01:42:20,100 --> 01:42:23,700
Yep. 14 times says to be a man
that's Choice above all other

1818
01:42:23,700 --> 01:42:27,000
lands.
Um, it's going to be number 12.

1819
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:29,700
Let's be a land that's going to
be cursed because of wickedness.

1820
01:42:29,700 --> 01:42:33,000
In other words, if wickedness,
prevails this, land gets cursed.

1821
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:35,600
Did that happen before?
Yes.

1822
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:38,400
What about Adam and his
posterity?

1823
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:40,500
Yeah.
They got wiped out by the flood.

1824
01:42:40,500 --> 01:42:43,400
What about the journey guys?
Yeah, they got wiped out through

1825
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:45,200
Civil War.
What about the Nephites?

1826
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:46,900
Yeah.
They got wiped out by Civil War,

1827
01:42:46,900 --> 01:42:48,200
right?
Right.

1828
01:42:49,300 --> 01:42:53,300
So, Are we gonna learn from the
past from the history or not?

1829
01:42:53,300 --> 01:42:56,300
Anyway, so then eight times, it
says it's going to be a land as

1830
01:42:56,300 --> 01:42:58,100
holy to those who led to it by
the Lord.

1831
01:42:58,100 --> 01:43:00,100
In other words, some people are
going to be led to it

1832
01:43:00,100 --> 01:43:03,200
specifically for religious
purposes.

1833
01:43:03,200 --> 01:43:06,900
Did that happen here in North
America and I should say in the

1834
01:43:06,900 --> 01:43:08,100
United States.
Yep.

1835
01:43:08,100 --> 01:43:09,900
Well, yeah.
Yeah.

1836
01:43:09,900 --> 01:43:12,600
Okay, then talks about it's
going to be a land of prosperity

1837
01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:16,900
and security Now, does anybody
really believe that that

1838
01:43:16,900 --> 01:43:20,300
Guatemala is more prosperous and
secure than the United States?

1839
01:43:20,300 --> 01:43:25,500
Not at this moment.
Well but but that of course

1840
01:43:25,500 --> 01:43:27,100
we've we've been messing things
up.

1841
01:43:27,100 --> 01:43:29,600
We now we now are the greatest
debtor nation in the history of

1842
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:30,900
the earth too.
Yeah.

1843
01:43:30,900 --> 01:43:34,600
So he has but but in the past it
has been the land of prosperity

1844
01:43:34,600 --> 01:43:38,800
and to this day, the world looks
at the United States as the most

1845
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:41,000
prosperous, you know, one of the
most prosperous Nations.

1846
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:42,700
There's per capita.
So forth.

1847
01:43:42,700 --> 01:43:46,200
You could look at but really,
the United States is still like

1848
01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:47,700
that way.
Yeah, six times.

1849
01:43:47,700 --> 01:43:49,100
It said, it would be the land of
liberty.

1850
01:43:50,300 --> 01:43:53,300
And of course, this is a
fascinating thing that we were,

1851
01:43:53,308 --> 01:43:56,900
we were doing research to find
out the difference between

1852
01:43:56,900 --> 01:44:00,100
freedom and liberty.
And, and it turns out that the

1853
01:44:00,100 --> 01:44:03,200
founding fathers, how many times
did the founding fathers talked

1854
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:07,400
about this being the land of
Freedom not through zero, not

1855
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:10,800
not right.
There is a single instance, if

1856
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:13,000
any of the founding fathers
talked about this being the land

1857
01:44:13,008 --> 01:44:16,100
of Freedom, they always
reference it as the land of

1858
01:44:16,100 --> 01:44:18,000
liberty.
Yep.

1859
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:20,300
What's the difference between
Liberty and freedom?

1860
01:44:20,300 --> 01:44:24,800
Freedom basically is the ability
to act or to do whatever you

1861
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:28,000
want to write.
According to Noah Webster's 1828

1862
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:30,500
dictionary and taking that out.
I think of this presentation

1863
01:44:30,500 --> 01:44:35,300
here, but that talks about her
freedom is without any restraint

1864
01:44:35,300 --> 01:44:39,700
more moral or physical.
So there's no restraints Freedom

1865
01:44:39,700 --> 01:44:43,200
gives you that opportunity
that's with no restraints.

1866
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:45,700
That's, that's essentially
Anarchy.

1867
01:44:45,700 --> 01:44:49,200
Right?
I mean if you're doing whatever

1868
01:44:49,200 --> 01:44:53,200
they want that's Anarchy and
kind of a nerd for the founding

1869
01:44:53,200 --> 01:44:55,000
fathers too.
I mean that's why I move back

1870
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:57,300
East.
I was on the Eastern Shore.

1871
01:44:57,300 --> 01:45:00,100
Maryland Liberty is something
different, right?

1872
01:45:00,100 --> 01:45:03,300
Liberty is the ability to go
about your business.

1873
01:45:03,300 --> 01:45:09,600
Be able to set a self-determined
course without Without fear of

1874
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:12,800
molestation by others, right?
That you're right protected.

1875
01:45:13,800 --> 01:45:16,600
Yeah, and actually no Webster.
Actually got it pretty much

1876
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:18,300
right, too.
He basically said, if you look

1877
01:45:18,300 --> 01:45:22,200
up Liberty in, Noah Webster's
1828 dictionary which was the

1878
01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:24,600
dictionary and use at the time
of Joseph Smith.

1879
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:30,700
He I know Webster basically says
that that Liberty is essentially

1880
01:45:30,700 --> 01:45:36,800
Freedom with only the restraints
placed by nature and Nature's

1881
01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:38,100
God.
Okay?

1882
01:45:38,100 --> 01:45:41,200
That's a big.
So that's always, he did a much

1883
01:45:41,208 --> 01:45:42,700
better job of that than I could
have.

1884
01:45:42,700 --> 01:45:48,800
So that was really good, but
there's even a better one in

1885
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:51,200
second Nephi, in the Book of
Mormon, probably the best

1886
01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:54,000
definition of the difference
between freedom and liberty that

1887
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,200
you will find anywhere on the
earth.

1888
01:45:56,200 --> 01:45:58,400
It's just a phenomenal
definition.

1889
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:02,500
He basically says this is I
think secondary fight chapter 2.

1890
01:46:02,500 --> 01:46:06,600
I think it is.
Anyway, he says he says that we

1891
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:10,500
are free to choose and it gives
us the two choices He says,

1892
01:46:10,500 --> 01:46:14,900
Liberty and eternal life, or
captivity and death.

1893
01:46:16,100 --> 01:46:20,600
So, so Liberty is the choice to
follow God.

1894
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:26,000
Freedom gives you the choice.
But once you've made the choice

1895
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:27,700
to follow God, that's called
Liberty.

1896
01:46:27,700 --> 01:46:30,900
And that's what the founding
fathers, understood, right?

1897
01:46:30,900 --> 01:46:34,100
Liberty is when you make the
choice that you're going to

1898
01:46:34,108 --> 01:46:36,900
follow God, this is a Christian
Nation, it was set up as a

1899
01:46:36,907 --> 01:46:39,300
Christian Nation.
And so when you're going to

1900
01:46:39,300 --> 01:46:41,700
follow God, it's interesting
that the founding fathers breaks

1901
01:46:41,700 --> 01:46:43,600
Temple.
You know we have in the in the

1902
01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:47,000
bay there in New York we have
the statue holding up the torch

1903
01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:49,100
and everything that she's called
the Statue of Freedom, right?

1904
01:46:49,100 --> 01:46:52,000
No limit is the Statue of
Liberty.

1905
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:54,100
We have this Bell and
Philadelphia they call it the

1906
01:46:54,900 --> 01:46:58,100
Freedom Bell?
No no, it's the Liberty Bell.

1907
01:46:58,100 --> 01:47:01,500
What they're saying is that
we've made our choice?

1908
01:47:02,300 --> 01:47:07,200
And we choose to follow God.
Yes, Liberty.

1909
01:47:07,200 --> 01:47:09,100
Yep.
It's interesting.

1910
01:47:09,100 --> 01:47:13,000
A special, when you start
looking at what Washington does

1911
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:16,100
right after his first
inauguration, where he marches

1912
01:47:16,100 --> 01:47:19,800
everyone down to, I believe it's
Saint Mark's Church right there,

1913
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:25,300
just a few Short blocks away
from Ground Zero of 9/11 and

1914
01:47:25,300 --> 01:47:29,400
basically, for the first time
since Solomon, David, and

1915
01:47:29,400 --> 01:47:33,300
Solomon puts an entire nation
under Covenant, to the god of

1916
01:47:33,300 --> 01:47:38,400
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
And and and and there's some

1917
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:40,500
fascinating stuff there.
Specially if you want to start

1918
01:47:40,500 --> 01:47:43,200
with his hand with his, with his
hand on the on the Bible.

1919
01:47:43,200 --> 01:47:46,200
Actually, in fact, when they
when they did this they said we

1920
01:47:46,200 --> 01:47:49,000
don't have any protocols for you
know and inauguration of a

1921
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:51,300
president or whatever.
So they said what should we do?

1922
01:47:51,300 --> 01:47:54,300
He said well get me the so they
brought in with the Gideon Bible

1923
01:47:54,300 --> 01:47:57,800
basically yeah open it up.
Specifically according to

1924
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:02,000
historical sources, he opens up
the Bible over to Genesis was a

1925
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:05,800
chapter Attorney.
Remember, what chapter is 26 or

1926
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:07,800
something like that?
Where grows over the world?

1927
01:48:07,800 --> 01:48:10,100
The the girl the wall.
Yep.

1928
01:48:10,100 --> 01:48:11,800
Yep.
Yep.

1929
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:16,600
Hey there there's there's a
striking amount of evidence to

1930
01:48:16,600 --> 01:48:21,300
and To make the claim that from
its early Inception.

1931
01:48:23,100 --> 01:48:26,300
Not just the founders, but you
can go back to John Winthrop, as

1932
01:48:26,300 --> 01:48:28,800
he's coming across on the
Atlantic with his people.

1933
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:30,800
Yeah.
It's just people under Covenant

1934
01:48:30,800 --> 01:48:36,000
and that one specifically is
eerily reminiscent to what Alma

1935
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:38,300
tells people as they're getting
ready to be baptized, right?

1936
01:48:38,300 --> 01:48:40,600
We're going to engage each other
in familiar Commerce.

1937
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:42,900
We're going to make each other's
burdens our own.

1938
01:48:42,900 --> 01:48:48,900
And so there's there's a It
talks about God dwelling amongst

1939
01:48:48,900 --> 01:48:52,600
them.
I mean it it there was a

1940
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:56,400
definite feeling amongst the the
founders of the United States

1941
01:48:56,400 --> 01:48:59,600
and even earlier those folks
coming across to seek religious

1942
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:03,600
liberty that we begin to
understand that they understand

1943
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:08,600
their position as not something
separate from the Bible and and

1944
01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:11,700
old Israel.
But this is a continuation of

1945
01:49:11,700 --> 01:49:14,100
Israel's story.
And when you start getting into

1946
01:49:14,100 --> 01:49:16,800
Joseph Smith, talking about the
blood of Ephraim on this land,

1947
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:21,000
it gets very, very interesting.
Yeah, it really does.

1948
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:24,300
It just it just fascinating?
We could spend a week on just

1949
01:49:24,300 --> 01:49:27,300
this information right here,
involving the land of liberty,

1950
01:49:27,300 --> 01:49:30,300
you know, and so forth but it is
just again us.

1951
01:49:30,300 --> 01:49:32,900
Yeah, there's there's such a
such a plethora of information

1952
01:49:32,900 --> 01:49:35,400
and really even the whole nine
eleven thing.

1953
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:38,900
Yep.
You know and and how when when

1954
01:49:38,900 --> 01:49:43,100
the place of the invocation of
the Covenant with God that God

1955
01:49:43,100 --> 01:49:47,700
made with with with with George
Washington on the day of his

1956
01:49:47,700 --> 01:49:50,700
inauguration, he literally put
his right hand to the square

1957
01:49:50,700 --> 01:49:53,800
with his hand on the on the on
the scripture.

1958
01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:56,900
There in Genesis this talks
about the Joseph will become a

1959
01:49:56,900 --> 01:50:00,000
fruitful you football by well.
His branches run over the wall,

1960
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:00,800
right?
Yep.

1961
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:04,200
And and historians if they
scratched their heads.

1962
01:50:04,200 --> 01:50:07,500
What why what's the deal with
this?

1963
01:50:07,500 --> 01:50:11,000
Why would he quote this?
Why would he have his hands

1964
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:14,000
specifically on that scripture?
It makes no sense.

1965
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:18,700
But when I understand that
Joseph, who was this is this is

1966
01:50:18,700 --> 01:50:22,400
a reference back to Joseph with
the coat of many colors, the son

1967
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:28,500
of Ishmael or Israel.
You're right, you're right.

1968
01:50:28,500 --> 01:50:29,100
Yep.
Jacob.

1969
01:50:29,100 --> 01:50:31,500
Okay.
So Jacob basically has his 12

1970
01:50:31,500 --> 01:50:35,900
sons and including Joseph but
interestingly enough when when

1971
01:50:35,900 --> 01:50:41,200
land was distributed to you know
as a you know, when the Lord

1972
01:50:41,200 --> 01:50:45,000
basically divided the land of
Israel, basically up for the 12

1973
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:48,500
tribes, Right.
Joseph didn't get an

1974
01:50:48,500 --> 01:50:53,000
inheritance.
Yeah, Gad and his car, and all

1975
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:55,900
these, and all these others, you
know, and Judah and so forth.

1976
01:50:55,900 --> 01:50:58,900
They all got a land inheritance
but there was two of the

1977
01:50:58,900 --> 01:51:02,100
brothers, who didn't get a land
inheritance.

1978
01:51:02,100 --> 01:51:07,500
Even though Joseph Joseph two
kids did, but Even Manassas.

1979
01:51:07,500 --> 01:51:11,200
They both got a land inheritance
but the two private didn't get

1980
01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:13,600
it was Levi, right?
The tribe of leave.

1981
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:16,700
I did didn't land inheritance
because their inheritance was

1982
01:51:16,700 --> 01:51:18,000
the temple.
Yep.

1983
01:51:18,900 --> 01:51:21,400
And Joseph didn't get
inheritance.

1984
01:51:22,300 --> 01:51:25,400
And I friend that I was like,
wait a minute, but I thought

1985
01:51:25,400 --> 01:51:27,500
Joseph was the good one.
Alright.

1986
01:51:27,500 --> 01:51:29,600
Alright.
He's the one that got the coat

1987
01:51:29,600 --> 01:51:34,100
of many colors.
Why did he get denied a land

1988
01:51:34,100 --> 01:51:35,900
inheritance over there in
Israel?

1989
01:51:37,100 --> 01:51:38,500
Because his inherited the reason
why.

1990
01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:41,600
It's right.
Yeah.

1991
01:51:41,600 --> 01:51:44,900
Yep.
His inheritance is America

1992
01:51:44,900 --> 01:51:46,600
right?
Yep.

1993
01:51:46,600 --> 01:51:50,000
And going back to Washington,
one of the things if you study

1994
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:52,900
Washington, even for a little
bit is he?

1995
01:51:52,900 --> 01:51:58,100
He had a general self-awareness
about himself especially later

1996
01:51:58,100 --> 01:52:01,300
in life where he understood he
was set in the President, right?

1997
01:52:01,300 --> 01:52:05,300
And that's why for years and
years, it was not in the

1998
01:52:05,300 --> 01:52:07,700
Constitution that you could only
serve two terms, right?

1999
01:52:07,700 --> 01:52:10,900
Because Washington, set the
president and everyone said you

2000
01:52:10,900 --> 01:52:14,800
know you think you're better
than Washington So with that

2001
01:52:14,808 --> 01:52:18,200
understanding that Washington's
very, deliberate about what he

2002
01:52:18,200 --> 01:52:21,800
does, the idea that oh, well,
they just opened up to some page

2003
01:52:21,800 --> 01:52:24,900
and went for it.
No, I I don't buy that for a

2004
01:52:24,900 --> 01:52:27,500
minute, right?
Because if it was just that he

2005
01:52:27,500 --> 01:52:30,100
had just opened it up somewhere
in the middle, that made sense

2006
01:52:30,100 --> 01:52:35,000
he specifically went there for a
reason, right?

2007
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:38,700
And it was recorded and it would
do us, well, the go back and

2008
01:52:38,700 --> 01:52:40,700
look at those things.
Yeah.

2009
01:52:40,700 --> 01:52:43,000
Yeah, that's interesting.
We found I think it's three

2010
01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:46,200
different times that the
founding fathers actually talked

2011
01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:52,900
about that one day.
There will be a New Jerusalem on

2012
01:52:52,900 --> 01:52:54,900
in America.
Yep.

2013
01:52:54,900 --> 01:52:57,100
He actually talked about a New
Jerusalem before.

2014
01:52:57,100 --> 01:53:00,700
Joseph Smith was even born.
Yep, the Founding Father for

2015
01:53:00,700 --> 01:53:03,400
talking about that.
There's, there's something that

2016
01:53:03,400 --> 01:53:05,300
where were they getting this
from?

2017
01:53:05,300 --> 01:53:06,800
Yep.
Yep.

2018
01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:12,800
Well, there's an interesting.
Passage in a book called Brother

2019
01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:17,400
Joseph by Cleon scales and it's
two volume set and in the first

2020
01:53:17,400 --> 01:53:20,800
page is that set.
It goes actually over kind of a

2021
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:26,400
prophecy that was made by Thomas
Jefferson and which he says, and

2022
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:30,700
I'm paraphrasing here that at
some point, there'll be somebody

2023
01:53:30,700 --> 01:53:34,200
from the continent that will
come forward to restore the true

2024
01:53:34,200 --> 01:53:37,000
principles of Christianity.
Right?

2025
01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:41,700
And there's so many stories.
I mean one is that Washington

2026
01:53:41,700 --> 01:53:46,400
essentially the British have
kind of had enough and they're

2027
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:50,500
willing to compromise greatly
with Washington to just get this

2028
01:53:50,500 --> 01:53:53,600
conflict over with right and
they go to Washington.

2029
01:53:53,600 --> 01:53:57,000
And they offer him a sweethearts
deal, they really do.

2030
01:53:57,000 --> 01:54:02,200
But in that moment Washington's
like something has changed right

2031
01:54:02,200 --> 01:54:06,400
for Washington, it stops
becoming about taxes now and

2032
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:09,700
prosperity.
And he begins to sense that

2033
01:54:09,700 --> 01:54:12,700
something else is going on
evidence by the fact that he

2034
01:54:12,700 --> 01:54:16,300
turns them down.
He says, no you want you want

2035
01:54:16,300 --> 01:54:18,500
this to end, just get off, get
off the land.

2036
01:54:18,500 --> 01:54:22,700
So there's the when you start
talking about the founders in

2037
01:54:22,700 --> 01:54:27,200
the early, settlers in America,
It's, it's worth a study because

2038
01:54:27,200 --> 01:54:30,100
what you see, is that, they very
much understood that, this was a

2039
01:54:30,100 --> 01:54:34,100
continuation of Israel story.
Yeah, you're exactly right.

2040
01:54:34,100 --> 01:54:41,200
But the interesting thing is At
the the previous civilizations

2041
01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:44,800
that were here on this American
land, you know, from the, from

2042
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:46,600
the Nephites.
I mean, they understood also

2043
01:54:46,600 --> 01:54:49,700
that they were told that they're
going to be coming to a Promised

2044
01:54:49,700 --> 01:54:51,000
Land.
Yep, right.

2045
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:55,300
And then and the jaredites
before them were told that they

2046
01:54:55,300 --> 01:54:56,700
were going to be coming to a
promised land.

2047
01:54:56,700 --> 01:55:00,500
So this land of promise thing is
really important aspect of it

2048
01:55:00,500 --> 01:55:03,200
and it's I think it's even more
important than you know

2049
01:55:03,200 --> 01:55:05,200
speculations about narrow necks
of land.

2050
01:55:05,200 --> 01:55:08,100
Right?
And that's that's kind of my

2051
01:55:08,100 --> 01:55:11,100
point with this is when I
started to do the research on

2052
01:55:11,100 --> 01:55:13,000
this as like, oh my gosh, you
know, this, this is pretty

2053
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:15,100
clear.
So that's about, you know, five

2054
01:55:15,100 --> 01:55:17,200
times has been the land of the
New Jerusalem four times.

2055
01:55:17,200 --> 01:55:19,700
It says, it's me the land.
We're all either worship, God

2056
01:55:19,700 --> 01:55:22,900
are going to get destroyed.
So basically you better be

2057
01:55:22,900 --> 01:55:24,700
Believers if you're gonna be on
this land because you're not

2058
01:55:24,700 --> 01:55:29,800
going to be on the land for very
long, if you're not, Says three

2059
01:55:29,800 --> 01:55:32,400
times Landers being prepared for
the Lord's people.

2060
01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:33,700
It's never going to be brought
into captivity.

2061
01:55:33,700 --> 01:55:35,600
It's going to be fortified
against all.

2062
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:40,200
Other nations that that see,
that's a, that's a part of that

2063
01:55:40,200 --> 01:55:43,100
abrahamic, Covenant, right?
So the abrahamic Covenant, we

2064
01:55:43,100 --> 01:55:45,300
didn't really get into it too
much but it basically involved

2065
01:55:45,300 --> 01:55:48,900
the land posterity prosperity
and security.

2066
01:55:48,900 --> 01:55:51,600
I have a whole presentation on
just that part of it because

2067
01:55:51,600 --> 01:55:54,600
it's so important.
But that again, trying to try to

2068
01:55:54,600 --> 01:55:58,300
just narrow this down so we can
don't go for 10 hours here or

2069
01:55:58,300 --> 01:56:03,500
two weeks.
But they basically, you know,

2070
01:56:03,500 --> 01:56:08,800
it's one of the things that's
The security Clause, right?

2071
01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:10,800
As long as the people are
righteous, God will literally

2072
01:56:10,800 --> 01:56:13,200
fight their battles for them,
right, right.

2073
01:56:13,200 --> 01:56:16,100
And this happened to the Jared
is happen with the Nephites

2074
01:56:16,100 --> 01:56:18,400
where they talked about how the,
the late nights were always

2075
01:56:18,407 --> 01:56:21,100
coming with the bigger Army and
more men and so forth.

2076
01:56:21,100 --> 01:56:24,200
And yet the fights would Prevail
in battling against them and so

2077
01:56:24,200 --> 01:56:26,700
forth.
As long as they're righteous God

2078
01:56:26,700 --> 01:56:27,700
would fight their battles for
them.

2079
01:56:27,700 --> 01:56:29,800
It's gonna be land.
Only for those who brought by

2080
01:56:29,800 --> 01:56:31,900
the lord, it's going to be for
the knowledge of other nations.

2081
01:56:31,900 --> 01:56:35,700
It's going to be where none will
molest that say the land.

2082
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:39,300
King.
That's a really critical one

2083
01:56:39,300 --> 01:56:41,900
because who is going to be the
king of this land.

2084
01:56:41,900 --> 01:56:44,600
It's Christ.
Yep right.

2085
01:56:44,600 --> 01:56:48,600
He says but he's not going to
allow another king or a king to

2086
01:56:48,600 --> 01:56:53,100
be on this land.
Okay, so that's interesting one

2087
01:56:53,100 --> 01:56:56,400
because you know, where in the
Americas do we have a nation

2088
01:56:56,400 --> 01:56:59,200
that hasn't been ruled by a king
ever since they their

2089
01:56:59,200 --> 01:57:01,400
receptionist and to became a
nation?

2090
01:57:01,400 --> 01:57:05,200
They've never had a king. well,
candidate it real without

2091
01:57:05,200 --> 01:57:08,500
candidate because I mean they
they still are under the queen,

2092
01:57:08,500 --> 01:57:10,200
right?
You look at right you look at

2093
01:57:10,200 --> 01:57:12,900
their money system, it's just
the queen on the money so forth,

2094
01:57:12,900 --> 01:57:15,800
right?
You look at the Mexico.

2095
01:57:15,800 --> 01:57:17,900
For example, had the King
Ferdinand.

2096
01:57:17,900 --> 01:57:20,600
I believe it was right?
No, keep Maximilian King

2097
01:57:20,600 --> 01:57:26,100
Maximilian.
He was a king of Mexico after

2098
01:57:26,100 --> 01:57:29,300
their, you know, after they were
established as a nation.

2099
01:57:30,100 --> 01:57:33,200
So the only nation that hasn't
had a king in.

2100
01:57:33,200 --> 01:57:36,200
The Americas is basically the
United States at this point.

2101
01:57:36,200 --> 01:57:39,000
Well, now that's gonna be a man.
It's gonna be visited by Christ.

2102
01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:41,000
It's gonna be sacred.
Sacred record is going to be

2103
01:57:41,008 --> 01:57:44,500
kept in this particular Nation.
Oh, hold on one second because I

2104
01:57:44,500 --> 01:57:46,400
can already see the pushback
coming.

2105
01:57:46,400 --> 01:57:49,900
So let me beat him to the punch,
weren't the 13 colonies.

2106
01:57:49,900 --> 01:57:53,500
Under a king, isn't that what
7776 was about?

2107
01:57:53,500 --> 01:57:55,300
America wasn't established as a
nation.

2108
01:57:55,300 --> 01:57:58,200
At that point.
Okay, fair enough?

2109
01:57:58,208 --> 01:57:59,400
No, you're right.
You're, right.

2110
01:57:59,400 --> 01:58:01,500
We were, we were calling used to
break.

2111
01:58:01,508 --> 01:58:04,500
That's what the whole worry of
Independence was about right?

2112
01:58:04,500 --> 01:58:06,300
Okay?
No, that makes sense.

2113
01:58:07,500 --> 01:58:10,000
So what so what's George
Washington took over and made

2114
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:13,500
the Covenant with God?
That never parking lot on.

2115
01:58:13,500 --> 01:58:16,100
Yeah, that starts the clock on
the nation, okay.

2116
01:58:16,100 --> 01:58:19,200
Okay.
And people say well and I had

2117
01:58:19,200 --> 01:58:23,000
this asked me, I just did a
debate actually with worth Ward

2118
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:24,700
radio here about a week or so
ago.

2119
01:58:24,700 --> 01:58:28,600
And the question was is okay, so
you're saying that the United

2120
01:58:28,608 --> 01:58:33,000
States of America but the United
States, what and 1830 or later

2121
01:58:33,000 --> 01:58:39,200
on with the with the with
Louisiana Purchase or was it the

2122
01:58:39,200 --> 01:58:41,500
Mexican territory purchase or
was it the Northwest Territory

2123
01:58:41,500 --> 01:58:44,800
purchase?
You know which America is it

2124
01:58:44,800 --> 01:58:47,600
right?
And my family is basically God

2125
01:58:47,600 --> 01:58:49,800
knows that this nation was going
to end up becoming and say well

2126
01:58:49,808 --> 01:58:52,900
okay so that's taking the what
happens in the future?

2127
01:58:52,900 --> 01:58:57,600
Somebody brought up what if
president Trump Ministry?

2128
01:58:57,600 --> 01:59:01,400
Annexes Canada in the United
States now is now is Canada part

2129
01:59:01,400 --> 01:59:02,600
of the Prime Minister Promised
Land?

2130
01:59:02,600 --> 01:59:06,700
What if what if Mexico gets
annexed into the United States?

2131
01:59:06,700 --> 01:59:08,900
You know, whatever, you know is
that going to be?

2132
01:59:08,907 --> 01:59:12,500
Now part of the promised land?
The Mexico would now then B.

2133
01:59:12,500 --> 01:59:15,800
And I said, yeah, at my feeling
is basically, the promised land

2134
01:59:15,800 --> 01:59:18,000
has been pretty clear.
It's the heartland of America,

2135
01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:21,100
right?
It's, it's where the guy, with

2136
01:59:21,100 --> 01:59:26,500
where the, the Garden of Eden
was it's where Adam dwells, it's

2137
01:59:26,500 --> 01:59:29,000
where the New Jerusalem is going
to be.

2138
01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:31,700
It's where the gospel is
restored and established and so

2139
01:59:31,700 --> 01:59:34,300
forth, right?
Yo, that's the land.

2140
01:59:34,300 --> 01:59:38,000
I don't, I don't think we have
After wander and worry about

2141
01:59:38,008 --> 01:59:41,400
exactly what time frame, the
Lord's talking about because the

2142
01:59:41,400 --> 01:59:43,400
Lord knows what this nation was
going to be and it's been about

2143
01:59:43,400 --> 01:59:46,300
the same now for what 200 years?
Yep, or so.

2144
01:59:46,300 --> 01:59:49,000
Yeah, it hasn't really changed.
Dramatically has been a couple

2145
01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:52,400
of territories here and there or
whatever, but really, the 50

2146
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:56,500
states have been, you know,
there for a very long time of

2147
01:59:56,500 --> 01:59:59,000
that 200 years.
So, my assumption is, is that,

2148
01:59:59,000 --> 02:00:01,700
that's what that's what God was
talking about, and actually get

2149
02:00:01,700 --> 02:00:02,900
into that.
Just a second here, when we get

2150
02:00:02,900 --> 02:00:07,600
into the center of the land
thing, which we Talked about

2151
02:00:07,600 --> 02:00:10,500
what the independence, okay?
But it was so these, so these

2152
02:00:10,500 --> 02:00:14,100
are 18 promises about the land
itself, but also has profits.

2153
02:00:14,100 --> 02:00:16,200
He's about the people who are
going to occupy this land.

2154
02:00:16,200 --> 02:00:18,000
Let's take a look at those, for
example.

2155
02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:21,000
So, who are these Latter-Day?
Gentiles says 13 times, Dental

2156
02:00:21,000 --> 02:00:23,300
get a scattered, they're going
to flick the rim that this is

2157
02:00:23,308 --> 02:00:25,700
the lamanites, write, write 10
times.

2158
02:00:25,700 --> 02:00:28,200
The Gentiles gonna bring forth
from marvelous work in a wonder,

2159
02:00:28,200 --> 02:00:30,800
where did the Book of Mormon
actually come forth?

2160
02:00:30,800 --> 02:00:32,400
This is The Marvelous work in a
wonder.

2161
02:00:32,400 --> 02:00:35,600
Where did it happen, right?
A mile at wasn't.

2162
02:00:35,600 --> 02:00:37,700
So the next.
Oh, okay.

2163
02:00:37,700 --> 02:00:40,200
It was in the United States.
Says the Gentiles are going to

2164
02:00:40,200 --> 02:00:42,000
show him, be showing mercy and
receive the Gospel.

2165
02:00:42,000 --> 02:00:44,400
They're going to bring the
gospel to the remnant, the

2166
02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:46,500
gentos going to the land for
their inheritance.

2167
02:00:46,500 --> 02:00:48,900
The Gentiles going to be blessed
and they're going to prosper on

2168
02:00:48,900 --> 02:00:51,800
this land.
The Gentiles and became a mighty

2169
02:00:51,800 --> 02:00:55,200
nation above all other nations.
It's kind of funny that whenever

2170
02:00:55,200 --> 02:00:58,800
I brought that up I said what
other what nation is does

2171
02:00:58,800 --> 02:01:03,100
anybody here believe that
Guatemala is a nation of all of

2172
02:01:03,100 --> 02:01:05,800
the Nations and if that's the
case in what way is, what?

2173
02:01:06,800 --> 02:01:10,400
Amala that the Nation about all
of the Nations and I had one guy

2174
02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:13,000
in the back of a presentation,
one time to kind of raise his

2175
02:01:13,000 --> 02:01:16,500
hand kind of sheepishly.
And he said, okay says, well,

2176
02:01:16,500 --> 02:01:18,800
how about the number of drug
lords per capita?

2177
02:01:18,800 --> 02:01:24,400
There's bare bear.
Okay, you got me there?

2178
02:01:24,400 --> 02:01:27,300
Okay.
But I don't think that's what

2179
02:01:27,300 --> 02:01:31,400
the Lord's talking about, right?
Okay, so it's like he's gonna be

2180
02:01:31,400 --> 02:01:34,000
a blast and prosper on the last
gonna become a mighty nation,

2181
02:01:34,000 --> 02:01:35,900
then not going to remain in
blindness.

2182
02:01:37,100 --> 02:01:39,500
The Gentiles are gonna come out
of captivity to come to this

2183
02:01:39,500 --> 02:01:41,300
land.
Now, there were some of that

2184
02:01:41,300 --> 02:01:44,300
that happened in Central America
as well, but basically, they

2185
02:01:44,300 --> 02:01:48,800
emptied a lot of the the the
Jails of, you know, the the

2186
02:01:48,800 --> 02:01:53,300
prisons of Europe.
To get rid of those, those

2187
02:01:53,300 --> 02:01:54,600
prisoners they didn't have to
take care of.

2188
02:01:54,600 --> 02:01:57,300
It was just, hey, we're just
gonna send them over to the to

2189
02:01:57,300 --> 02:02:00,100
the new world allowed to go.
Fight it out over there.

2190
02:02:00,100 --> 02:02:02,100
Yep.
Empty their presence.

2191
02:02:02,100 --> 02:02:03,800
Just like they've been emptying,
their prisons.

2192
02:02:03,800 --> 02:02:07,500
Now bringing people and as
illegals into the United States

2193
02:02:07,500 --> 02:02:11,500
and emptying the presence in
Venezuela and other countries,

2194
02:02:11,500 --> 02:02:13,900
and now they're sending them all
to the United States with our

2195
02:02:13,900 --> 02:02:16,300
open border policy.
We've had the last few, you

2196
02:02:16,300 --> 02:02:17,900
know, a few years.
Right?

2197
02:02:17,900 --> 02:02:22,500
You know to political here, but
bottom line is, is that the same

2198
02:02:22,500 --> 02:02:23,800
thing?
Is kind of been happening there

2199
02:02:23,800 --> 02:02:26,600
and it just to finish this up
really quickly on this part of

2200
02:02:26,600 --> 02:02:28,600
it here.
These Gentiles are going to come

2201
02:02:28,600 --> 02:02:30,200
to this land.
They're going to be protected by

2202
02:02:30,200 --> 02:02:33,400
God.
Long is there righteous God will

2203
02:02:33,400 --> 02:02:34,400
fight their battles for them,
right?

2204
02:02:34,400 --> 02:02:37,800
Gentile is going to land of
liberty.

2205
02:02:37,800 --> 02:02:40,600
In this country, they're going
to become multitudes upon the

2206
02:02:40,600 --> 02:02:42,100
land.
They're going to be not, they're

2207
02:02:42,100 --> 02:02:43,900
not going to destroy the rim
that though, even though they're

2208
02:02:43,900 --> 02:02:46,100
going to displace them and
scatter them, they're not going

2209
02:02:46,100 --> 02:02:48,500
to just destroy them.
In fact, they become like,

2210
02:02:48,500 --> 02:02:50,900
nursing mothers to them, right?
Right.

2211
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:55,000
Um just going to bring other
books of Truth like the Bible.

2212
02:02:55,000 --> 02:02:56,300
They're going to bring the Bible
to the red.

2213
02:02:56,300 --> 02:02:58,100
That the church is going to be
established among these

2214
02:02:58,100 --> 02:03:00,400
Gentiles.
And the mother Gentiles are

2215
02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:02,200
going to battle against the
Gentiles Who come out of

2216
02:03:02,200 --> 02:03:08,800
captivity. so, did Christ then
prophecy that the New Jerusalem

2217
02:03:08,800 --> 02:03:10,200
will be built on Bookworm and
land.

2218
02:03:11,600 --> 02:03:13,600
Yes, people I established in
this land.

2219
02:03:14,900 --> 02:03:16,700
But filling the Covenant should
be okay.

2220
02:03:16,700 --> 02:03:19,500
So I think that he did this is
this is showing here in ether

2221
02:03:19,500 --> 02:03:23,200
that the connections here, this
land, it's a choice land.

2222
02:03:23,200 --> 02:03:25,000
It's a chosen land, and it's the
New Jerusalem.

2223
02:03:25,000 --> 02:03:28,100
Okay.
Same thing in ether, chapter 13,

2224
02:03:28,100 --> 02:03:30,100
New Jersey.
Since on this land is just on

2225
02:03:30,100 --> 02:03:32,700
this land under this remnant of
the seed of Joseph.

2226
02:03:32,700 --> 02:03:38,500
So here we have the, you know,
the the knee bites are both

2227
02:03:38,500 --> 02:03:42,100
saying that the New Jerusalem of
the future is going to be on

2228
02:03:42,100 --> 02:03:46,100
their lands where they're at
now, So that's basically my

2229
02:03:46,100 --> 02:03:48,400
bottom line right here.
Okay.

2230
02:03:48,400 --> 02:03:52,000
The only nation that fulfills
every book and requirement to

2231
02:03:52,000 --> 02:03:54,100
be, the promised land is the
United States of America.

2232
02:03:54,900 --> 02:03:57,200
Now, I've had people accuse me
of saying well you know you just

2233
02:03:57,200 --> 02:04:00,300
being raw USA you're just
playing a people's you know

2234
02:04:00,308 --> 02:04:04,900
patriotism and their heartfelt
understanding of you know that

2235
02:04:04,900 --> 02:04:08,300
they love this country.
And so forth and you just played

2236
02:04:08,300 --> 02:04:11,200
into that.
And my answer is no, I'm not

2237
02:04:11,200 --> 02:04:13,700
actually.
These are the words of God that

2238
02:04:13,700 --> 02:04:15,600
we've just gone through these
are all scriptures that we were

2239
02:04:15,600 --> 02:04:18,300
going through.
That talks about these

2240
02:04:18,300 --> 02:04:23,000
prophecies and Promises.
In fact, I remember a few years

2241
02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:27,200
ago, I was I was headed up to do
several presentations up in

2242
02:04:27,200 --> 02:04:32,900
British Columbia Canada and as
I'm going up, the I was doing

2243
02:04:32,900 --> 02:04:35,400
presentations up along, Oregon
and Washington.

2244
02:04:37,200 --> 02:04:39,900
Before I got up into Canada as
I'm heading up to Canada.

2245
02:04:39,900 --> 02:04:44,300
I'm thinking you know, this is
kind of USA Centric know it's

2246
02:04:44,300 --> 02:04:47,600
like, I wonder how these
Canadians are going to, you

2247
02:04:47,600 --> 02:04:52,300
know, maybe I should alter my
presentation to be a little

2248
02:04:52,300 --> 02:04:55,900
less, you know, around USA, kind
of thing, right, right.

2249
02:04:56,900 --> 02:05:02,800
As I was going up there.
I had kind of a Stern reprimand.

2250
02:05:03,800 --> 02:05:10,600
And they the the words basically
were whose prophecies are these

2251
02:05:10,600 --> 02:05:12,200
anyway.
Yours or mine.

2252
02:05:12,200 --> 02:05:16,700
Interesting.
And so I thought, well, you know

2253
02:05:16,700 --> 02:05:18,500
what?
Yeah, this is not, this is not

2254
02:05:18,500 --> 02:05:21,200
my words.
I am simply just telling what

2255
02:05:21,200 --> 02:05:23,600
the Lord said in what I should
say.

2256
02:05:23,600 --> 02:05:27,100
What the Book of Mormon says,
about this promised land and I'm

2257
02:05:27,100 --> 02:05:29,400
not gonna, I'm not gonna
sugarcoat it and I'm not gonna

2258
02:05:29,400 --> 02:05:31,500
change it.
I'm just gonna do it the exact

2259
02:05:31,508 --> 02:05:32,900
same way.
So I went up there to Canada,

2260
02:05:32,900 --> 02:05:38,400
talk to the Canadian Saints up
there and, and they, they

2261
02:05:38,400 --> 02:05:41,600
totally got it.
He said, yeah, we we know he

2262
02:05:41,600 --> 02:05:44,900
said basically as as the United
States goes so goes candidate,

2263
02:05:44,900 --> 02:05:48,400
if Canada if the United States
goes down if the United States

2264
02:05:48,400 --> 02:05:53,700
becomes so corrupt and so forth,
it will affect us and we'll go

2265
02:05:53,700 --> 02:05:58,100
down with it.
Yeah. now I can I can I can say

2266
02:05:58,100 --> 02:06:01,700
this is pretty much, you know
this is a factual situation that

2267
02:06:01,700 --> 02:06:05,500
if the United States ever goes
down but if it collapses you

2268
02:06:05,500 --> 02:06:12,600
know, monetary or if we continue
in our collapse of, you know,

2269
02:06:12,600 --> 02:06:17,700
beliefs and God basically That
entire world's going down.

2270
02:06:17,700 --> 02:06:19,300
Yeah.
Yeah.

2271
02:06:19,300 --> 02:06:24,300
There there is.
No doubt. at this stage that,

2272
02:06:25,400 --> 02:06:28,600
What Ronald Reagan said
absolutely holds true.

2273
02:06:28,600 --> 02:06:31,900
And now this is usually when I
talk about Reagan is, when I

2274
02:06:31,900 --> 02:06:38,200
usually start getting a lot of
hate mail Reagan, interact, One

2275
02:06:38,200 --> 02:06:40,500
day, I'm just gonna write a book
and it's gonna be called day.

2276
02:06:40,500 --> 02:06:43,200
People say the darndest things
about Dave and it's just gonna

2277
02:06:43,200 --> 02:06:47,700
be a collection of hate mail.
Everyone anyway.

2278
02:06:49,200 --> 02:06:53,800
Reagan said that.
Um, the world's last best hope

2279
02:06:53,800 --> 02:06:58,400
is still America and America's
last best hope still rest with

2280
02:06:58,400 --> 02:07:03,000
with us right?
And how we Kind of Define our

2281
02:07:03,000 --> 02:07:07,900
relationship with God and I've
had more than one person reach

2282
02:07:07,900 --> 02:07:10,900
out to me.
The two that come to minding me

2283
02:07:10,900 --> 02:07:15,100
is one that lives over and
Scotland and then another that

2284
02:07:15,100 --> 02:07:20,600
lives in the UK who said As goes
America, there goes the West,

2285
02:07:20,600 --> 02:07:22,500
right?
And when they say the West,

2286
02:07:22,500 --> 02:07:25,700
they're not talking Geographic
things, they're talking about

2287
02:07:25,700 --> 02:07:29,400
those ideals of Western
Civilization that have quite

2288
02:07:29,400 --> 02:07:32,700
frankly, caused the world to
thrive in a way that's

2289
02:07:32,700 --> 02:07:36,900
unprecedented in human history.
So and and these are the words,

2290
02:07:36,900 --> 02:07:40,000
the the Lord's words, right?
They're not ours that we don't

2291
02:07:40,008 --> 02:07:43,200
get to dictate.
Gosh, I think the message is

2292
02:07:43,200 --> 02:07:48,000
too, is to to Centric to one
geographic location.

2293
02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:51,600
Can we use some some adjusting
here to make people feel more

2294
02:07:51,600 --> 02:07:55,000
included?
It's just what it is, right?

2295
02:07:55,000 --> 02:07:58,100
The truth Has No Agenda.
It doesn't care about your

2296
02:07:58,100 --> 02:08:01,100
feelings.
It doesn't care about about how

2297
02:08:01,100 --> 02:08:04,500
you feel right?
This simply because it exists.

2298
02:08:05,400 --> 02:08:09,300
Yeah, but I've had people
basically say well, you know so

2299
02:08:09,300 --> 02:08:12,500
the what somehow, the United
States is better than all other

2300
02:08:12,500 --> 02:08:16,800
nations and my answer is
absolutely not know, just like,

2301
02:08:16,800 --> 02:08:23,300
just like Abraham was giving the
the, the the land of Canaan.

2302
02:08:24,100 --> 02:08:28,500
Okay, he was also given and I
wish I had not taken that part

2303
02:08:28,500 --> 02:08:30,800
out of this just because this
presentation is so much better

2304
02:08:30,800 --> 02:08:33,600
with it all the abrahamic
Covenant stuff in it.

2305
02:08:33,600 --> 02:08:37,700
But one of the things that
Abraham was That the reasons for

2306
02:08:37,708 --> 02:08:39,700
the blessings.
So, Abraham was giving these

2307
02:08:39,700 --> 02:08:43,000
blessings of the land posterity
prosperity and security, right?

2308
02:08:43,000 --> 02:08:46,800
Those were those rights.
Also given a charge, he was

2309
02:08:46,800 --> 02:08:49,600
given a requirement and that
requirement is, is that

2310
02:08:49,600 --> 02:08:52,600
basically you have to live the
Commandments, that was, that was

2311
02:08:52,600 --> 02:08:57,600
the, that was the foundations.
That was the the This is the

2312
02:08:57,600 --> 02:08:59,500
prerequisite for receiving the
blessings.

2313
02:08:59,500 --> 02:09:03,100
As you have the live, The 10
Commandments, but the whole

2314
02:09:03,100 --> 02:09:10,100
thing with Abraham had to do
with one Charge that he had.

2315
02:09:10,900 --> 02:09:14,400
He says it through your
posterity well all the nations

2316
02:09:14,400 --> 02:09:16,700
of the earth, be blessed, even
with the blessings of the life

2317
02:09:16,700 --> 02:09:19,100
of life, eternal with blessings,
the blessings of the Gospel

2318
02:09:19,100 --> 02:09:20,400
which is the blessings of life
eternal.

2319
02:09:20,400 --> 02:09:23,200
Okay.
So he says it So in other words,

2320
02:09:23,200 --> 02:09:27,600
he says Abraham you and your
posterity, you're going to need

2321
02:09:27,600 --> 02:09:31,100
to have these special blessings
and I have asked people all over

2322
02:09:31,108 --> 02:09:33,100
the place.
Just said, so yeah, why is

2323
02:09:33,100 --> 02:09:35,500
Abraham giving special blessings
is God.

2324
02:09:37,200 --> 02:09:39,700
A is he partial to certain
people?

2325
02:09:39,700 --> 02:09:43,100
This is he loved some of his
children more than us other

2326
02:09:43,100 --> 02:09:45,900
children and the answer, of
course, is no, he doesn't, but

2327
02:09:45,900 --> 02:09:48,500
it doesn't change.
The fact that Abraham was given

2328
02:09:48,500 --> 02:09:52,300
this charge and that is that
he'd be the one.

2329
02:09:52,300 --> 02:09:55,000
His prose to be the one that
takes the gospel to all the

2330
02:09:55,000 --> 02:09:58,400
other nations of the Earth.
So, they have been given a

2331
02:09:58,400 --> 02:10:04,400
specific, you know, mission to
fulfill my mission to accomplish

2332
02:10:04,400 --> 02:10:08,200
and they're going to need to
have Specific blessings to

2333
02:10:08,200 --> 02:10:10,600
accomplish that mission, and
those lessons are going to be

2334
02:10:10,608 --> 02:10:13,800
the gonna need to land.
Why do they need a land?

2335
02:10:13,800 --> 02:10:20,500
Because they need to establish a
civilization of of belief.

2336
02:10:20,500 --> 02:10:26,200
They need to establish a
community that they can teach

2337
02:10:26,200 --> 02:10:30,400
their kids about God. so they
got to give them this land, he's

2338
02:10:30,400 --> 02:10:32,200
going to bless him with
posterity because in order to

2339
02:10:32,200 --> 02:10:35,000
have a powerful missionary
Force, you have to have people

2340
02:10:35,000 --> 02:10:40,200
who You know, from the gospel
spread from heart to heart and

2341
02:10:40,200 --> 02:10:42,800
from the spirit to Spirit, so
you get to have kids.

2342
02:10:42,800 --> 02:10:45,400
So God says, I'm going to bless
you with the greatest blessing.

2343
02:10:45,400 --> 02:10:47,600
I can give you, which is
children, right?

2344
02:10:47,600 --> 02:10:50,300
There's a mouth, get a blessed
with prosperity because it's not

2345
02:10:50,300 --> 02:10:52,400
cheap to have a powerful
missionary Force Abraham.

2346
02:10:52,400 --> 02:10:54,500
If you're going to have a big
missionary Force, you have to

2347
02:10:54,500 --> 02:10:57,400
have the money to do it.
That money has to come from

2348
02:10:57,400 --> 02:10:59,000
somewhere.
So I'm going to prosper you on

2349
02:10:59,000 --> 02:11:02,000
the land.
Yes, are you gonna Prosper on

2350
02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:03,800
this land?
And then he said, the fourth

2351
02:11:03,800 --> 02:11:05,600
thing is, is you're going to
have to have security because

2352
02:11:05,600 --> 02:11:08,900
even if you have the first
three, if you have the land and

2353
02:11:08,900 --> 02:11:15,000
posterity and prosperity, but
you at War, you can't really

2354
02:11:15,000 --> 02:11:17,500
have a powerful missionary for
us if you're taking all of your

2355
02:11:17,500 --> 02:11:19,700
young men and women to go fight
battles.

2356
02:11:19,700 --> 02:11:22,300
Right?
Says, I'm gonna I'm gonna take

2357
02:11:22,300 --> 02:11:23,600
care of your worst situation,
too.

2358
02:11:24,600 --> 02:11:27,800
And with those four things, you
should be able to build the

2359
02:11:27,800 --> 02:11:31,000
biggest, most powerful
missionary force, on the earth,

2360
02:11:31,000 --> 02:11:34,500
to be able to take that my
gospel out to all the other of

2361
02:11:34,500 --> 02:11:38,900
my kids who need it.
Yeah, but Abraham, that's your

2362
02:11:38,900 --> 02:11:40,700
charge.
That's what you're supposed to

2363
02:11:40,708 --> 02:11:42,800
do.
And that's and that's basically

2364
02:11:42,800 --> 02:11:46,100
what he what he's done.
So essentially so the United

2365
02:11:46,100 --> 02:11:49,900
States becomes that promised
land to fulfill that part of the

2366
02:11:49,907 --> 02:11:53,100
Covenant to know the missionary
work of the church comes out

2367
02:11:53,100 --> 02:11:55,500
primarily of the United States.
Right.

2368
02:11:55,500 --> 02:11:57,800
You know.
Right, right that's just this is

2369
02:11:57,800 --> 02:12:03,100
a this is Elder L Tom Perry a
possible, you know, basically in

2370
02:12:03,100 --> 02:12:04,800
the corner of the public
Apostles Salt Lake Church.

2371
02:12:04,808 --> 02:12:08,100
He says the he actually, he
said, the United States is the

2372
02:12:08,100 --> 02:12:09,500
promised land for total in the
Book of Mormon.

2373
02:12:10,400 --> 02:12:14,200
Now, he didn't say the Americas.
And then, of course, we could

2374
02:12:14,208 --> 02:12:16,200
get into the Phoenicians
Expedition and we haven't really

2375
02:12:16,208 --> 02:12:19,900
gotten into the actual evidence
is, but I think this is the most

2376
02:12:19,900 --> 02:12:22,600
powerful evidence is the
scriptural foundations.

2377
02:12:23,400 --> 02:12:26,500
Yep, I wish we could go into
about four or five hours of

2378
02:12:26,500 --> 02:12:30,400
information about The Phoenician
ship, the ship that we actually

2379
02:12:30,400 --> 02:12:32,000
now own.
I don't know if you need that.

2380
02:12:32,008 --> 02:12:34,800
Dave.
I, you know, I talked, I didn't

2381
02:12:34,800 --> 02:12:38,800
know that the when you say we
who are you talking about Rodman

2382
02:12:38,800 --> 02:12:41,600
research group, okay?
So I talked with the gentleman

2383
02:12:41,600 --> 02:12:45,600
and then a woman who was a
professor over in Tunisia and we

2384
02:12:45,600 --> 02:12:50,700
actually had a podcast and, and
talked about this ship here and,

2385
02:12:50,700 --> 02:12:53,500
you know, the new look
connection and that sort of

2386
02:12:53,508 --> 02:12:57,600
stuff, which was fascinating.
Yeah, I wanted to go back for

2387
02:12:57,600 --> 02:13:01,800
just a second and just talk
about something real quick.

2388
02:13:01,800 --> 02:13:06,400
And that is when, when people
start talking about, you know,

2389
02:13:06,407 --> 02:13:09,300
the promised land over in Israel
and the promised land here.

2390
02:13:10,600 --> 02:13:14,300
It's, as you were saying, it's
not something that was meant for

2391
02:13:14,300 --> 02:13:16,200
simply self-aggrandizement,
right?

2392
02:13:16,200 --> 02:13:18,500
Right.
We were blessed with the

2393
02:13:18,500 --> 02:13:23,900
understanding that we now have
to be of more service, right?

2394
02:13:23,900 --> 02:13:29,500
And as we look at certainly
America and we, you know, and I

2395
02:13:29,500 --> 02:13:31,600
don't want to whitewash things,
I understand we've done some

2396
02:13:31,600 --> 02:13:37,900
crappy stuff, right?
But But nonetheless, we have

2397
02:13:37,900 --> 02:13:43,300
been the stop Gap to tyranny by
and large right to this day.

2398
02:13:43,300 --> 02:13:46,900
Most Aid that the rest of the
world receives.

2399
02:13:48,100 --> 02:13:50,200
Excuse me, comes from these
Shores.

2400
02:13:51,500 --> 02:13:55,500
And there's a reason.
And I think the tocqueville hit

2401
02:13:55,500 --> 02:13:58,500
it just right when he said
America's great because

2402
02:13:58,500 --> 02:14:02,500
Americans are good, right?
And I still have hope for us.

2403
02:14:02,500 --> 02:14:07,400
Um yeah he also said if America
ever sees to be good She'll see

2404
02:14:07,400 --> 02:14:09,100
to be greater cool.
She's to be great.

2405
02:14:09,100 --> 02:14:10,400
Yep.
Yep.

2406
02:14:10,400 --> 02:14:13,600
And he understood that long
before the Book of Mormon was

2407
02:14:13,600 --> 02:14:19,000
really on the scene and It's
something that that we we

2408
02:14:19,000 --> 02:14:21,000
definitely need to keep in mind,
this isn't something.

2409
02:14:21,000 --> 02:14:24,500
We should thump our chest over.
We need to be humble and

2410
02:14:24,500 --> 02:14:29,100
understand that while we have
the privilege and the honor of

2411
02:14:29,100 --> 02:14:33,000
living on this land, there's
things expected of us and none

2412
02:14:33,000 --> 02:14:36,600
of that and includes.
Thumping, our chest and snubbing

2413
02:14:36,600 --> 02:14:38,600
our, our thumbs up the rest of
the world.

2414
02:14:38,600 --> 02:14:40,600
We have a responsibility to
fail.

2415
02:14:41,700 --> 02:14:45,400
Yeah, but if you look at you
know I mean the Lord has told us

2416
02:14:45,400 --> 02:14:49,500
that the best way to know if
something's good or bad if it

2417
02:14:49,500 --> 02:14:54,500
brings them to Christ.
If it you know it's basically by

2418
02:14:54,500 --> 02:14:55,400
their fruit, you shall know
them.

2419
02:14:55,400 --> 02:14:58,100
Right right.
Well what has been the fruit of

2420
02:14:58,100 --> 02:15:01,200
the United States that you can?
You can focus and say well the

2421
02:15:01,200 --> 02:15:03,100
fruit of the United States that
they had slaves and they had

2422
02:15:03,100 --> 02:15:08,400
this and you know and so forth
and so on But actually, when you

2423
02:15:08,400 --> 02:15:12,300
take a look at the real history,
the United States was the reason

2424
02:15:12,300 --> 02:15:16,600
why slavery is is not practiced
all over the world today.

2425
02:15:16,600 --> 02:15:20,200
It's still practice in a lot of
places, but the United States

2426
02:15:20,200 --> 02:15:23,600
and the the formation of the
Constitution of the United

2427
02:15:23,600 --> 02:15:28,000
States was the was the really
the blueprint for almost every

2428
02:15:28,000 --> 02:15:31,900
democracy if you will.
And we're not technically a

2429
02:15:31,900 --> 02:15:34,300
democracy, we're supposed to be
a republic, right?

2430
02:15:34,300 --> 02:15:38,100
You know, but but we've kind of
turned into more of a democracy.

2431
02:15:38,100 --> 02:15:43,800
But anyway, but bottom line is
that More people are living.

2432
02:15:44,600 --> 02:15:49,700
Under freedom and liberty.
In this world than any other

2433
02:15:49,700 --> 02:15:54,600
time in the history of mankind,
mankind, has a tendency to, to

2434
02:15:54,600 --> 02:15:58,500
differentiate and have you have
the elites and you have all the

2435
02:15:58,500 --> 02:15:59,300
Surfs?
Yep.

2436
02:15:59,300 --> 02:16:00,900
And the United States is one of
those.

2437
02:16:00,900 --> 02:16:04,600
The, the Constitution United
States is what created a middle

2438
02:16:04,600 --> 02:16:05,700
class.
Yep.

2439
02:16:05,700 --> 02:16:08,700
There was really, no middle
class before you had those who

2440
02:16:08,700 --> 02:16:13,900
were in power and those who are
being powered over, And at the

2441
02:16:13,907 --> 02:16:17,400
middle class of the United
States has more power than any

2442
02:16:17,400 --> 02:16:19,200
other.
You know, any other people in

2443
02:16:19,200 --> 02:16:20,700
the history which is what makes
the United States.

2444
02:16:20,700 --> 02:16:24,700
People happier and in general,
are people who live under

2445
02:16:24,700 --> 02:16:29,500
democracy or live, at least
under self-rule is the, is the

2446
02:16:29,500 --> 02:16:32,500
key in the United States is the
one that basically established

2447
02:16:32,500 --> 02:16:35,100
that, you know, that that wasn't
happening in England and France

2448
02:16:35,100 --> 02:16:39,000
and write Portugal, and Spain,
and so forth and they were all

2449
02:16:39,000 --> 02:16:41,100
ruled by Kings.
Yep.

2450
02:16:41,100 --> 02:16:44,100
And it was the United States,
the basically caused this to

2451
02:16:44,100 --> 02:16:45,400
happen and change the entire
world.

2452
02:16:45,400 --> 02:16:47,799
You take a look at slavery.
I mean basically the United

2453
02:16:47,807 --> 02:16:50,500
States had less slaves and
almost anywhere else but

2454
02:16:50,500 --> 02:16:53,600
percentage wise and we were the
first ones to abolish it.

2455
02:16:53,600 --> 02:16:56,400
We were at the very first ones
were but we were the ones that

2456
02:16:56,400 --> 02:16:58,600
actually abolished it and then
they said we're not doing

2457
02:16:58,600 --> 02:17:01,799
business with any other country
who has slaves, he was kind of

2458
02:17:01,807 --> 02:17:04,100
force the slave trade to
basically, go away.

2459
02:17:04,100 --> 02:17:07,299
Yeah you take a look at the
gospel going out to the world,

2460
02:17:07,299 --> 02:17:09,700
you know.
And and where is you know,

2461
02:17:09,700 --> 02:17:13,200
Christianity being being moved
forward in the world.

2462
02:17:13,400 --> 02:17:16,799
And the United States, say the
huge part in that, you know,

2463
02:17:16,807 --> 02:17:19,700
we've we've been responsible for
putting down more deaths but

2464
02:17:19,700 --> 02:17:25,900
like Hitler and and other, you
know, other people who brutally,

2465
02:17:25,900 --> 02:17:29,000
you know, go after their people
and kill him and so forth.

2466
02:17:29,000 --> 02:17:32,900
And we have had to come in there
and to, you know, to try to fix

2467
02:17:32,900 --> 02:17:34,700
that.
We've been perfect course not

2468
02:17:35,600 --> 02:17:39,299
But but as an overall good, I
would say, we're probably about

2469
02:17:39,299 --> 02:17:43,500
80% positive and 20% negative
today, on the other hand,

2470
02:17:43,500 --> 02:17:45,799
though, we have the United
States is that the leading

2471
02:17:45,799 --> 02:17:49,500
producer of porn for example,
where the ones that are pushing

2472
02:17:49,500 --> 02:17:52,700
the whole, you know, what is a
woman agenda?

2473
02:17:52,700 --> 02:17:55,900
Okay, yep.
I mean you go to any other

2474
02:17:55,900 --> 02:17:58,200
country asking what's a Woman
They pointed.

2475
02:17:58,200 --> 02:18:02,200
Well she's a woman right here.
Yeah, it stays kind of like

2476
02:18:02,200 --> 02:18:05,400
we've we've completely lost our
Moorings.

2477
02:18:06,799 --> 02:18:09,900
Yeah, yeah. 100%.
Could you?

2478
02:18:12,500 --> 02:18:15,799
Well, we're not gonna get it
into other good stuff here.

2479
02:18:15,799 --> 02:18:21,600
David, we don't keep moving on
here, but we've been, I had

2480
02:18:21,600 --> 02:18:27,700
notice what time it is but yeah,
we've been working a half hours

2481
02:18:27,700 --> 02:18:28,700
already.
Okay.

2482
02:18:28,700 --> 02:18:31,100
You do you want to come back at
a later time?

2483
02:18:31,100 --> 02:18:34,000
I know you're busy know.
I can do this but we're just

2484
02:18:34,000 --> 02:18:36,500
let's do it.
But we're gonna be all day long

2485
02:18:36,500 --> 02:18:38,299
if we don't.
Yep.

2486
02:18:38,299 --> 02:18:41,200
What.
Yep, I just have to keep just

2487
02:18:41,200 --> 02:18:42,900
keep going on anyway.
But yeah.

2488
02:18:42,900 --> 02:18:45,700
So that this is just showing the
Phoenicians Expedition and the

2489
02:18:45,700 --> 02:18:47,799
rest of the thing went we got
tons of information.

2490
02:18:47,799 --> 02:18:51,900
Our website about that, they
potential arrival.

2491
02:18:51,900 --> 02:18:53,799
So forth.
We have this is the talking

2492
02:18:53,799 --> 02:18:56,400
about the Tower Hill.
Adam on the island.

2493
02:18:56,400 --> 02:18:58,500
Has a knee fight altar there.
Pretty good.

2494
02:18:58,500 --> 02:19:00,400
Bet there's any fights there.
What other Smith know about

2495
02:19:00,400 --> 02:19:03,700
Carmen geography?
Ah this has got some great stuff

2496
02:19:03,700 --> 02:19:06,900
that Wentworth letter.
By the way the Wentworth letter

2497
02:19:06,900 --> 02:19:11,400
that was actually canonized as
we know and in that Joseph he

2498
02:19:11,400 --> 02:19:14,400
wrote he was informed concerning
the Aboriginal inhabitants of

2499
02:19:14,400 --> 02:19:18,200
this country.
What country is Joseph Smith?

2500
02:19:18,200 --> 02:19:20,799
Talking about here, America
country is he in?

2501
02:19:20,799 --> 02:19:25,400
Yeah, you the United States.
Yeah, it says he was showing who

2502
02:19:25,400 --> 02:19:28,299
they were, where they came from,
a brief sketch of their origin,

2503
02:19:28,299 --> 02:19:30,200
their progress, their
civilization, their laws, and

2504
02:19:30,200 --> 02:19:32,299
their governments, and all
happened on this continent.

2505
02:19:32,299 --> 02:19:36,100
And they says that the remnant
of the, of the Book of Mormon,

2506
02:19:36,900 --> 02:19:39,600
Are the Indians that now
inhabit, this country.

2507
02:19:40,900 --> 02:19:43,100
He says this book tells us our
Saviour made as a principle upon

2508
02:19:43,100 --> 02:19:47,500
this continent, okay?
So the end of that now have this

2509
02:19:47,500 --> 02:19:50,700
country so that's, that's one
revelatory account.

2510
02:19:50,700 --> 02:19:52,900
Okay?
Because he because this is where

2511
02:19:52,900 --> 02:19:54,500
he said, he received it by
Revelation.

2512
02:19:54,500 --> 02:19:58,800
This is the American revivalists
County. 1833 just Smith.

2513
02:19:58,800 --> 02:20:01,800
The senator off to the American
revivalists and Rochester

2514
02:20:01,800 --> 02:20:04,900
Observer newspaper.
Here in Rochester, New York.

2515
02:20:04,900 --> 02:20:09,900
And and it he sent them this
thing.

2516
02:20:09,900 --> 02:20:14,000
They his statement and then they
published it.

2517
02:20:14,000 --> 02:20:17,900
But they edited way down to kind
of paired it down to just a few

2518
02:20:17,900 --> 02:20:20,600
statement feet, a few
paragraphs, a few, a few

2519
02:20:20,600 --> 02:20:23,800
sentences, I should say.
And when Joseph Smith, got word

2520
02:20:23,800 --> 02:20:27,200
of the fact that they had paired
it down he rewrote them another

2521
02:20:27,200 --> 02:20:29,200
letter.
In this letter, he says that

2522
02:20:29,200 --> 02:20:31,900
this letter was written by
commandment from God.

2523
02:20:32,800 --> 02:20:36,100
They should they should probably
shut in.

2524
02:20:37,400 --> 02:20:41,600
In its entirety into the thing
and amazingly, they editors of

2525
02:20:41,600 --> 02:20:44,200
the, of the American revivalist,
Russian Rochester Observer

2526
02:20:44,200 --> 02:20:46,000
actually did that they actually
published the whole thing

2527
02:20:46,000 --> 02:20:47,600
intact.
And this is what.

2528
02:20:47,600 --> 02:20:50,600
So this Smith said was written
by commandment from God.

2529
02:20:50,600 --> 02:20:53,700
He says, the Book of Mormon is a
record of the forefathers of

2530
02:20:53,700 --> 02:20:57,000
our, Western tribes of Indians,
Hmm.

2531
02:20:58,200 --> 02:21:00,000
Whoa.
Hold on, wait a minute, right

2532
02:21:00,000 --> 02:21:03,600
types of Indians.
He's in New York at the time,

2533
02:21:03,600 --> 02:21:05,300
right?
This is the Rochester Observer.

2534
02:21:05,300 --> 02:21:10,100
He's talking about it.
We learned that our Western

2535
02:21:10,100 --> 02:21:12,800
tribes of Indians are
descendants from that Joseph,

2536
02:21:12,800 --> 02:21:15,700
that was sold into Egypt and
that the land of America is a

2537
02:21:15,700 --> 02:21:18,000
Promised Land unto them.
Interesting.

2538
02:21:18,000 --> 02:21:22,000
I know he used to determine
America not the Americas but

2539
02:21:22,000 --> 02:21:25,100
America Okay, we're gonna talk
about that just a couple minutes

2540
02:21:25,100 --> 02:21:28,000
here.
Okay, but basically let me ask

2541
02:21:28,000 --> 02:21:30,400
you a question, if you're in New
York, and it's the Western

2542
02:21:30,400 --> 02:21:33,600
tribes of Indians.
How far, how far do you have to

2543
02:21:33,600 --> 02:21:36,000
go west to get to Central
America?

2544
02:21:37,900 --> 02:21:40,300
How far west he?
Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

2545
02:21:40,300 --> 02:21:43,900
I'm a survey in that doesn't.
Yeah, you gotta go stop.

2546
02:21:45,600 --> 02:21:49,700
So either jealous Smith was
wrong or he's talking about

2547
02:21:49,700 --> 02:21:51,600
tribes that were to the west of
New York.

2548
02:21:51,600 --> 02:21:54,400
Basically Ohio Missouri you know
that.

2549
02:21:54,400 --> 02:21:58,700
Okay.
That brings us to the journey of

2550
02:21:58,700 --> 02:22:00,800
science.
Can't this science camp started

2551
02:22:00,800 --> 02:22:05,500
over there in Ohio.
Basically can see that the

2552
02:22:05,500 --> 02:22:08,600
general area there but just the
south of Lake Erie and they

2553
02:22:08,600 --> 02:22:11,800
traveled across Ohio, Indiana,
Illinois, and into Missouri.

2554
02:22:12,600 --> 02:22:15,800
It was 1,000 thousand miles
approximately and they did that

2555
02:22:15,800 --> 02:22:18,400
in about two months about 60
days.

2556
02:22:18,400 --> 02:22:24,200
So this is science, camp March.
From May 6th to July 3rd of 1834

2557
02:22:24,200 --> 02:22:26,600
about a thousand miles that he
did.

2558
02:22:26,608 --> 02:22:30,800
Now, when they now, many of you
are, probably probably most of

2559
02:22:30,800 --> 02:22:46,900
your people know about
Right.

2560
02:22:46,900 --> 02:22:50,500
So this is this is a number
another Revelation where Joseph

2561
02:22:50,500 --> 02:22:53,100
Smith talks about the Hill Court
Eastern Sea in the Rocky

2562
02:22:53,100 --> 02:22:55,900
Mountains and the guy was killed
in the final battles between the

2563
02:22:55,900 --> 02:22:57,600
landlords, and it's there in
Illinois.

2564
02:22:58,700 --> 02:23:02,500
This is the, this is the mound
itself and an amazingly, the

2565
02:23:02,500 --> 02:23:06,200
archeology actually verifies the
fact because it has in the

2566
02:23:06,200 --> 02:23:09,600
mound, we're back found
artifacts that they needed to

2567
02:23:09,608 --> 02:23:11,700
book a room in time frames
through the Hopewell billers.

2568
02:23:11,700 --> 02:23:13,800
These are Hopewell artifacts.
Yeah.

2569
02:23:13,800 --> 02:23:17,400
And they date from about 2:50
plus or minus 100 years so

2570
02:23:17,400 --> 02:23:22,800
between 250 and 350 ad is when
these these things, you know,

2571
02:23:22,808 --> 02:23:26,200
date into that time frame.
And of course that's that's when

2572
02:23:26,200 --> 02:23:28,400
the final battles were happening
between the laminates and the

2573
02:23:28,400 --> 02:23:31,000
Nephites, I'm sure he was just a
good guesser was.

2574
02:23:31,000 --> 02:23:32,900
All right.
I was pretty amazing guests.

2575
02:23:32,900 --> 02:23:36,500
Yeah it was and then two days
later.

2576
02:23:37,400 --> 02:23:42,000
Um, that that experience was so
profound to the Prophet, Joseph

2577
02:23:42,000 --> 02:23:44,000
Smith that he's sitting on the
banks of the Mississippi River.

2578
02:23:44,000 --> 02:23:48,500
Now, over closer to Nauvoo area
and then and he writes this

2579
02:23:48,500 --> 02:23:52,000
letter to his wife, Emma, his
handwritten letter, that was

2580
02:23:52,000 --> 02:23:54,700
actually capped by The Community
of Christ.

2581
02:23:54,700 --> 02:23:58,000
The rlbs church in The Community
of Christ have this letter

2582
02:23:58,000 --> 02:24:00,400
intact and extent, they still
have it.

2583
02:24:01,200 --> 02:24:04,100
And in this letter, he says the
whole of our journey to miss

2584
02:24:04,100 --> 02:24:05,300
this.
So hard to confidence, social

2585
02:24:05,300 --> 02:24:08,900
honest and sincere man. says,
we're wandering Over The Plains

2586
02:24:08,900 --> 02:24:12,100
of the Nephites, oh, Well, holy
cow.

2587
02:24:12,100 --> 02:24:15,000
Yep.
They were just in Illinois and

2588
02:24:15,000 --> 02:24:16,600
they're wanting over the plains
of the knee fights.

2589
02:24:16,600 --> 02:24:19,100
He says they're recounting
occasionally the history, The

2590
02:24:19,100 --> 02:24:23,200
Book of Mormon roving over the
Mounds of that once beloved

2591
02:24:23,200 --> 02:24:26,700
people of the Lord.
So Joseph Smith is is

2592
02:24:26,700 --> 02:24:30,600
correlating the Mounds that
they're seeing, they're in the

2593
02:24:30,608 --> 02:24:34,500
midwest, in the United States.
With the Beloved people of the

2594
02:24:34,500 --> 02:24:36,700
lord, of the Book of Mormon, the
history of the book and worm.

2595
02:24:36,700 --> 02:24:39,900
And yeah, specifically, these
males have to do with them.

2596
02:24:39,900 --> 02:24:42,600
It says, and we're picking up
their skulls and their bones as

2597
02:24:42,600 --> 02:24:47,200
proof of his Divine authenticity
about to ask people, sit That's

2598
02:24:47,200 --> 02:24:49,400
people.
So yeah Justice Smith, he

2599
02:24:49,400 --> 02:24:51,100
translated the plates and so
forth.

2600
02:24:51,100 --> 02:24:53,700
So I must have had a pretty
strong testimony of the book

2601
02:24:53,700 --> 02:24:56,200
Department.
Absolutely, I was he looking for

2602
02:24:56,200 --> 02:24:58,900
evidence, right?
Right.

2603
02:24:58,900 --> 02:25:02,400
Yeah.
Yeah, he says, he says, it's

2604
02:25:02,400 --> 02:25:06,700
proof, proof evidence of this
Divine authenticity, the skull

2605
02:25:06,700 --> 02:25:09,000
of the skull, and the bones of
self.

2606
02:25:09,000 --> 02:25:12,600
He says, was proof of The Book
of Mormons authenticity.

2607
02:25:13,600 --> 02:25:15,500
Right?
And when the when the

2608
02:25:15,500 --> 02:25:19,300
dispensation had talks, you
might want to listen, right?

2609
02:25:19,300 --> 02:25:24,300
Like like he carries some
weight, Yeah, yeah, so this is

2610
02:25:24,300 --> 02:25:25,700
on.
So this is actually, this is

2611
02:25:25,700 --> 02:25:27,600
from Letter book.
Number two, I think of Joseph

2612
02:25:27,600 --> 02:25:30,200
Smith.
So this isn't the actual letter.

2613
02:25:30,200 --> 02:25:33,900
But but so this man had the
original letter that he did to

2614
02:25:33,900 --> 02:25:36,300
his wife Emma.
While I said on the banks, the

2615
02:25:36,308 --> 02:25:40,800
Mississippi River, he had a to
his, his, his letter book.

2616
02:25:40,800 --> 02:25:44,800
So it says, on the bank of
Mississippi, June, 4th, 1834 my

2617
02:25:44,800 --> 02:25:47,700
dear companion.
He's right next to Emma, right?

2618
02:25:47,700 --> 02:25:51,800
If you get down to the bottom of
the page, okay, down here at the

2619
02:25:51,808 --> 02:25:54,400
bottom, you can see this point
right here, right?

2620
02:25:54,400 --> 02:25:57,000
There says, the whole of our
journey, the missiles to company

2621
02:25:57,000 --> 02:26:00,600
of Social and sincere, man.
This is talking about his

2622
02:26:00,600 --> 02:26:04,200
experience just a couple of days
earlier with zelph, right?

2623
02:26:04,200 --> 02:26:06,700
This is the next page.
And this is actually, you know,

2624
02:26:06,700 --> 02:26:09,300
it's got other signature at the
bottom here.

2625
02:26:09,300 --> 02:26:12,800
This is occasionally
occasionally history, The Book

2626
02:26:12,800 --> 02:26:14,500
of Mormon, rowing over the
mountains of, that one's

2627
02:26:14,500 --> 02:26:16,900
beloved, people of Lourdes, pick
up the skulls and bones is proof

2628
02:26:16,900 --> 02:26:22,600
of his Divine, notary Okay, so
this is this is pretty hard

2629
02:26:22,600 --> 02:26:24,900
evidence.
This is not somebody else saying

2630
02:26:24,900 --> 02:26:27,000
that Joseph Smith said this,
this is Joseph Smith having it

2631
02:26:27,000 --> 02:26:29,600
written into his letter Book?
Absolutely.

2632
02:26:29,600 --> 02:26:33,300
So, that's so, now, when they're
on Zion's Camp, March amazingly

2633
02:26:33,300 --> 02:26:35,600
enough, if you take this map,
this is from Mound.

2634
02:26:35,600 --> 02:26:37,900
Builders of ancient America by
Robert silverberg.

2635
02:26:37,900 --> 02:26:40,500
He's talking about three major
credit.

2636
02:26:40,500 --> 02:26:43,400
You know, ancient civilizations
here in this part of the

2637
02:26:43,400 --> 02:26:48,400
country, they had poverty point,
which is in the Southeastern or

2638
02:26:48,400 --> 02:26:51,600
South, the southern part of the
United States down by Louisiana.

2639
02:26:51,600 --> 02:26:55,800
We have the Edina civilization
that they say ranges between

2640
02:26:55,800 --> 02:27:01,100
about 500 to 100 BC that's up in
the upper part of like New York

2641
02:27:01,100 --> 02:27:05,100
and Illinois and Ohio and so
forth that area.

2642
02:27:06,100 --> 02:27:09,900
Then you have the civilization
which according to these guys

2643
02:27:09,900 --> 02:27:15,100
are showing from about 100 BC to
400 add in the vertical, stripe

2644
02:27:15,100 --> 02:27:17,900
lines.
So you can see that's basically

2645
02:27:17,900 --> 02:27:20,600
Illinois and Ohio and over into
Missouri and so forth.

2646
02:27:20,600 --> 02:27:24,100
Right, but look at the time
frame are you thinking poverty

2647
02:27:24,100 --> 02:27:26,900
point is the place of first
Contact for Lehigh.

2648
02:27:28,300 --> 02:27:32,300
Um, no, I think that's probably
more than what this is.

2649
02:27:32,300 --> 02:27:34,300
This is from a quite an old
book.

2650
02:27:34,300 --> 02:27:38,200
This is actually changed quite a
bit over the last about 15 or 20

2651
02:27:38,200 --> 02:27:39,400
years.
So, this is back written about

2652
02:27:39,408 --> 02:27:42,400
40 years ago, Mound bill is
ancient America, this is, but

2653
02:27:42,400 --> 02:27:44,300
this is kind of showing what
they thought at that point in

2654
02:27:44,300 --> 02:27:46,700
time.
And the Adena basically what

2655
02:27:46,700 --> 02:27:50,900
we're seeing, the Adena are, the
are the jaredites civilization,

2656
02:27:50,900 --> 02:27:54,100
the Hopewell of the nephite
civilization, which is kind of

2657
02:27:54,100 --> 02:27:58,100
funny, because in Central
America, The the primary

2658
02:27:58,100 --> 02:28:01,800
civilization that was down there
at that point was the Mayan and

2659
02:28:01,800 --> 02:28:05,800
we have Scholars.
You know, bookmarks saying that,

2660
02:28:05,800 --> 02:28:09,400
you know, the, the Mayans were
not the Nephites and the

2661
02:28:09,400 --> 02:28:11,800
Nephites were not the Mayans,
but then he fights just lived

2662
02:28:11,800 --> 02:28:18,400
among the Mayans.
It's like they can't really say

2663
02:28:18,400 --> 02:28:21,200
that the Mayans with the
Nephites and then they know that

2664
02:28:21,200 --> 02:28:23,900
that would be the death nail of
the whole Mason America thing

2665
02:28:23,900 --> 02:28:27,400
anyway, because if the Mayans
were the Nephites, the Mayans

2666
02:28:27,400 --> 02:28:30,700
were the ones that were doing,
you know, human sacrifices and

2667
02:28:30,700 --> 02:28:34,100
all kinds of stuff.
You know, down there, that's the

2668
02:28:34,100 --> 02:28:36,700
Nephites they were the
degenerative.

2669
02:28:37,400 --> 02:28:40,600
And the generous are not usually
the ones that build huge

2670
02:28:40,600 --> 02:28:43,100
structures.
I mean, you know, we can go into

2671
02:28:43,100 --> 02:28:46,000
more detail about that.
But but basically, so that the

2672
02:28:46,000 --> 02:28:48,300
reason why I bring this map up
because if you put this map then

2673
02:28:48,300 --> 02:28:51,400
on Over the top of the science
camp, March.

2674
02:28:52,200 --> 02:28:55,400
It goes right over the plains of
the Nephites.

2675
02:28:55,400 --> 02:28:58,300
Mm-hmm.
Ye holy cow.

2676
02:28:59,100 --> 02:29:02,800
Yep, goes right over the top.
They're going right through the

2677
02:29:02,800 --> 02:29:08,300
center of their lands of the of
the Hopewell melted be wow.

2678
02:29:08,300 --> 02:29:11,100
So when he says we're picking up
their skulls and bones of the

2679
02:29:11,100 --> 02:29:15,800
Divine authenticity Illinois,
Illinois is the center of this

2680
02:29:15,800 --> 02:29:18,000
map, right?
Yep.

2681
02:29:18,000 --> 02:29:21,800
So then we go into the DNA stuff
and again that going into any

2682
02:29:21,800 --> 02:29:25,200
detail on that, but basically,
the idea is essentially that

2683
02:29:25,200 --> 02:29:28,500
have a groups ABC and D are
Asiana.

2684
02:29:28,500 --> 02:29:30,700
Have a good X.
Is the only one.

2685
02:29:30,700 --> 02:29:34,600
That's not an Asian based
lineage and that we find it in

2686
02:29:34,600 --> 02:29:37,900
the Algonquin, speaking language
groups of Native American

2687
02:29:37,900 --> 02:29:41,400
Indians over, 110 tribes,
including the sack in the fox,

2688
02:29:41,400 --> 02:29:44,100
they'll give ways and so forth.
His Cheyenne, the Blackfoot out

2689
02:29:44,100 --> 02:29:49,400
here in the west Kickapoo these,
you know, the shawnee's.

2690
02:29:50,200 --> 02:29:51,600
So forth.
These are all part of the

2691
02:29:51,600 --> 02:29:53,900
Algonquin.
Speaking language groups of

2692
02:29:53,900 --> 02:29:57,400
North American Indians, And just
so happens that they are the

2693
02:29:57,400 --> 02:29:59,400
ones that have the help of your
back's DNA type.

2694
02:30:00,500 --> 02:30:04,000
Here, every Jewish population on
the planet from, in the in this,

2695
02:30:04,000 --> 02:30:07,700
you know, the Sephardic Jews,
the Libyan Jews, the Moroccan

2696
02:30:07,700 --> 02:30:11,800
Jews, the, the Ashkenazi Jews.
They're all, they all have the

2697
02:30:11,800 --> 02:30:16,000
same five markers in their DNA.
And so this is that, this is

2698
02:30:16,000 --> 02:30:18,100
from science, talking about how
that's been confirmed in

2699
02:30:18,100 --> 02:30:22,500
Finland, Italy, and Israel, by
the Etruscan civilization in

2700
02:30:22,500 --> 02:30:25,700
Italy, that's part of the people
who were displaced from Israel

2701
02:30:25,700 --> 02:30:28,800
went over there in established a
trust in communities over there.

2702
02:30:28,800 --> 02:30:32,900
Okay.
Israelites, I'm not sure what

2703
02:30:32,900 --> 02:30:36,300
the deal was up in the Finland,
but that's but that's that,

2704
02:30:36,300 --> 02:30:38,800
there's some interesting
possibilities there, maybe

2705
02:30:38,800 --> 02:30:41,200
having to do with hey goth,
which we don't have time to go

2706
02:30:41,200 --> 02:30:44,800
into all that detail.
Basically, this American Girl of

2707
02:30:44,800 --> 02:30:49,500
human genetics in 2003, they
talked about two subgroups of

2708
02:30:49,508 --> 02:30:54,300
the group backs, one and X2 and
X1 is confined almost entirely

2709
02:30:54,300 --> 02:30:59,300
to Africa.
But X2 is amazingly in the, the

2710
02:30:59,300 --> 02:31:05,300
near East, basically, Israel and
here in the US, interesting.

2711
02:31:05,300 --> 02:31:09,700
Now this is the this is the
fourth, the fourth revelatory

2712
02:31:09,700 --> 02:31:11,100
thing.
That Joseph Smith talks about

2713
02:31:11,100 --> 02:31:14,400
involving Book of Mormon,
geography, that we believe is,

2714
02:31:14,400 --> 02:31:19,500
is revealed that tells us where
exactly, this doesn't tell us

2715
02:31:19,500 --> 02:31:22,500
exactly, but it tells us gives
us a hard Clues as to, where

2716
02:31:22,500 --> 02:31:26,400
this Ultimate Place.
When in September 1830, Joseph

2717
02:31:26,400 --> 02:31:31,500
Smith received Revelations,
which is now sections, 28, 30,

2718
02:31:31,500 --> 02:31:33,100
and 32 in the Doctrine and
Covenants.

2719
02:31:34,300 --> 02:31:38,500
And which he commanded the Lord
managed Joseph Smith to send

2720
02:31:38,500 --> 02:31:39,400
missionaries end to the
lamanites.

2721
02:31:40,100 --> 02:31:42,300
So, I asked people all the time.
I said, how many of you believe

2722
02:31:42,300 --> 02:31:45,400
that the Lord knows who the
laminates are and where they're

2723
02:31:45,400 --> 02:31:47,500
located, right?
Well, he knows everything.

2724
02:31:47,500 --> 02:31:50,700
So that's, that's a given.
Yeah, so Lord's.

2725
02:31:50,700 --> 02:31:52,600
Not gonna put this into layman's
terms, okay?

2726
02:31:52,600 --> 02:31:58,100
And let me knows as well.
Let me so this is gonna be so

2727
02:31:58,100 --> 02:32:01,100
clear, does not be wholly ass
and you all over countries.

2728
02:32:01,100 --> 02:32:05,100
You're gonna go and and go into
the lamanites, the term Layman.

2729
02:32:05,100 --> 02:32:08,900
I some people argue well maybe
that's just the term that they

2730
02:32:08,900 --> 02:32:11,100
were just using blah blah blah
you know for Indians

2731
02:32:11,100 --> 02:32:15,500
interchangeably back then toast.
This day this isn't Joseph Smith

2732
02:32:15,500 --> 02:32:18,300
speaking here.
This is the Lord speaking here,

2733
02:32:18,300 --> 02:32:20,100
right?
I think the Lord understands the

2734
02:32:20,100 --> 02:32:22,000
difference between lame and
nights and Native American

2735
02:32:22,000 --> 02:32:24,200
people or whatever.
If there's a difference, I think

2736
02:32:24,200 --> 02:32:26,000
you let us know.
Yep.

2737
02:32:26,000 --> 02:32:29,900
Anyway, so we have Oliver,
cowdery section, 30 says, you

2738
02:32:29,900 --> 02:32:31,500
know, Peter Virginia.
You're going to go with all the

2739
02:32:31,508 --> 02:32:35,700
recovery and go to build up the
church among the lamanites.

2740
02:32:35,700 --> 02:32:39,100
This Texan 30 said partly be
proud.

2741
02:32:39,100 --> 02:32:41,300
You're also going to go with my
servants Peter and Oliver

2742
02:32:41,300 --> 02:32:43,600
Academy among the lamanites.
Now you have to understand that

2743
02:32:43,600 --> 02:32:46,300
Joseph Smith is just barely
getting the very first copies of

2744
02:32:46,308 --> 02:32:51,700
the brand new printed Book of
Mormon the 1830 original

2745
02:32:51,700 --> 02:32:54,100
version.
He's actually just getting this.

2746
02:32:54,100 --> 02:32:55,500
This is a October of 1830,
right?

2747
02:32:55,500 --> 02:32:57,900
Right.
He's getting their very first

2748
02:32:57,900 --> 02:33:01,500
copies off the Grand and press
and he's sending these, the

2749
02:33:01,500 --> 02:33:05,000
lord, it's not just missing it,
it's the Lord sending these

2750
02:33:05,000 --> 02:33:09,700
missionaries out, right?
The very first copies, and where

2751
02:33:09,700 --> 02:33:12,300
do they go?
Among the late nights.

2752
02:33:13,000 --> 02:33:14,800
Now, there's a fourth person.
There's actually, there's

2753
02:33:14,800 --> 02:33:17,900
actually five people who were
going to be going on this trip.

2754
02:33:18,700 --> 02:33:22,500
And this is section 32 in the
doctrine says, ziba Peterson.

2755
02:33:22,500 --> 02:33:27,100
Also, so go with them.
And then, so that's the four

2756
02:33:27,100 --> 02:33:30,700
over countering Peter, Virginia,
harley-david, Pratt and ziba

2757
02:33:30,700 --> 02:33:32,000
Peterson.
That's four, right?

2758
02:33:32,000 --> 02:33:39,400
So, who is the fifth person?
The Lord says, I myself will go

2759
02:33:39,400 --> 02:33:42,900
with them in misses.
I am their Advocate with the

2760
02:33:42,900 --> 02:33:44,700
father and nothing shall Prevail
against them.

2761
02:33:45,300 --> 02:33:49,900
So Christ himself is basically
saying I'm this is a personal

2762
02:33:49,900 --> 02:33:55,600
guided tour by me. to people
that I call ammonites in all of

2763
02:33:55,600 --> 02:34:00,100
these Revelations, Wow.
So that got my interest.

2764
02:34:00,100 --> 02:34:02,600
Yeah.
Yeah.

2765
02:34:02,600 --> 02:34:04,200
Absolutely.
Where did they go?

2766
02:34:05,400 --> 02:34:06,500
Who do they go?
See?

2767
02:34:08,200 --> 02:34:11,600
right, because I can I can I can
promise you if this was a

2768
02:34:11,600 --> 02:34:14,600
revelation from the Lord to Dosa
Smith and the Lord says that

2769
02:34:14,600 --> 02:34:17,800
he's going to go with them and
he's in an all of them, he keeps

2770
02:34:17,800 --> 02:34:22,300
saying the lamanites Then I
think that when they go to see

2771
02:34:22,300 --> 02:34:24,800
these people, they're gonna take
them to the limits.

2772
02:34:24,800 --> 02:34:28,900
Yep.
And if that's the case where did

2773
02:34:28,900 --> 02:34:30,500
they go?
And so that's why I wanted to

2774
02:34:30,508 --> 02:34:33,500
find out turns out the pilot
wrote about this in his journals

2775
02:34:33,500 --> 02:34:35,600
later on.
It was in his autobiography.

2776
02:34:35,600 --> 02:34:40,000
So he so within both they says
this is his first autobiography

2777
02:34:40,000 --> 02:34:43,600
says that's ended our first.
Indian mission in which we

2778
02:34:43,600 --> 02:34:46,000
preach the gospel and its
fullness and distributed the

2779
02:34:46,000 --> 02:34:49,100
record of their forefathers
among three trees that is the

2780
02:34:49,100 --> 02:34:52,200
category, Indians near Buffalo
New York.

2781
02:34:52,900 --> 02:34:56,200
Why not Ohio Delaware's west of
Missouri?

2782
02:34:57,200 --> 02:35:00,900
Interesting.
Now, I find my friend is fast,

2783
02:35:00,900 --> 02:35:08,100
is from the DNA standpoint.
These these tribes are are all

2784
02:35:08,100 --> 02:35:11,400
Northeastern trees, right?
They're basically Algonquin

2785
02:35:11,400 --> 02:35:13,300
speaking language group tribes
here, okay?

2786
02:35:14,900 --> 02:35:18,100
And amazingly, they just happen
to be the tribes that have the

2787
02:35:18,100 --> 02:35:20,200
DNA that linked in every Jewish
population on the planet.

2788
02:35:21,200 --> 02:35:24,000
Wow.
Who?

2789
02:35:24,000 --> 02:35:27,700
So that's interesting.
How does Smith know that?

2790
02:35:27,700 --> 02:35:30,100
Just lucky guess?
Apparently, that's a good

2791
02:35:30,108 --> 02:35:32,900
guesser.
Or maybe he had a team of

2792
02:35:32,908 --> 02:35:35,400
geneticists that he referred to,
you know, that he kind of

2793
02:35:35,408 --> 02:35:39,300
consulted with before I sent
them to go see these tribes to

2794
02:35:39,300 --> 02:35:41,100
make sure that they actually
tried to have the harp

2795
02:35:41,100 --> 02:35:44,600
applications, DNA type the links
and all the Jewish population is

2796
02:35:44,600 --> 02:35:46,700
around the world.
Yeah, yeah, there's that.

2797
02:35:46,700 --> 02:35:51,500
Yeah, he's DNA was in the 1800s
and Frontier America.

2798
02:35:51,500 --> 02:35:54,000
They were secrets that right
there in New York, you know,

2799
02:35:54,008 --> 02:35:58,700
right?
Joseph and lab um yeah.

2800
02:35:59,700 --> 02:36:03,300
And even even today though, this
is National Geographic.

2801
02:36:03,300 --> 02:36:06,200
Great surprise, Native Americans
have West Eurasian Origins.

2802
02:36:07,300 --> 02:36:10,600
And the, this is from the
National Geographic Daily News.

2803
02:36:10,600 --> 02:36:14,000
This is back in 2013.
So we've known this for a long

2804
02:36:14,000 --> 02:36:16,500
time.
Now, over 10 years, we've known

2805
02:36:16,500 --> 02:36:19,900
that nearly 1/3 of Native
American jeans come from West

2806
02:36:19,900 --> 02:36:24,200
Eurasian people, whereas West
Eurasia, That would be the

2807
02:36:24,200 --> 02:36:25,800
Middle East, right?
Middle East.

2808
02:36:25,800 --> 02:36:27,300
Yeah, this is, this is Israel,
right?

2809
02:36:27,300 --> 02:36:31,500
Yeah, link to the Middle East
and Europe, rather than entirely

2810
02:36:31,500 --> 02:36:33,100
from the East Asians as
previously.

2811
02:36:33,100 --> 02:36:38,700
Thought, according to this newly
sequence, genome Oh, so a third

2812
02:36:38,708 --> 02:36:41,500
of Native Americans have Middle
Eastern jeans.

2813
02:36:41,500 --> 02:36:46,200
Holy cow.
I would just be known that back

2814
02:36:46,200 --> 02:36:49,600
in the 1800s and then some
people say well, okay, so you

2815
02:36:49,600 --> 02:36:52,500
know you have the times and
Seasons articles and and those

2816
02:36:52,500 --> 02:36:57,600
are, some people said that Joe
Smith Either he wrote them or he

2817
02:36:57,600 --> 02:37:01,300
at least approve them and he
never he never came out and made

2818
02:37:01,300 --> 02:37:04,700
and directly, you know,
countered him so far.

2819
02:37:04,700 --> 02:37:07,800
So I said so Yeah.
Okay.

2820
02:37:07,800 --> 02:37:11,400
So Joe the yeah, we have these
Revelations with the the, you

2821
02:37:11,400 --> 02:37:14,900
know, the American Revival's
account, the self accounts and

2822
02:37:14,900 --> 02:37:18,600
so forth.
All of these Reveals things he

2823
02:37:18,600 --> 02:37:22,100
said, but later on, in his life
show, this myth changes views.

2824
02:37:22,100 --> 02:37:25,900
He he started to understand that
basically made some America was

2825
02:37:25,900 --> 02:37:28,300
the right place.
And so he started changing his

2826
02:37:28,300 --> 02:37:32,700
views from his earlier
Revelation to a more basic

2827
02:37:32,700 --> 02:37:34,600
American side of things and
that's the argument.

2828
02:37:36,300 --> 02:37:39,900
But then I have a good friend of
mine, is it is a historian and

2829
02:37:39,900 --> 02:37:42,600
he basically went through this
and he said that he said, right?

2830
02:37:42,600 --> 02:37:44,700
He says you're going to want to
see this as we just discovered

2831
02:37:44,700 --> 02:37:49,300
this, he says, Joe Smith's diary
entry for Thursday, May the 23rd

2832
02:37:49,300 --> 02:37:51,100
1844.
This is just a month before he

2833
02:37:51,100 --> 02:37:54,100
was killed and I should say he
was not just killed, he was

2834
02:37:54,108 --> 02:37:56,800
assassinated.
Yep, this was an assassination.

2835
02:37:56,800 --> 02:37:59,900
He was running for president of
the United States at the time.

2836
02:37:59,900 --> 02:38:04,000
Yep this is a political hit job
basically says one.

2837
02:38:04,000 --> 02:38:06,800
One p.m. help this living in
Nauvoo.

2838
02:38:07,500 --> 02:38:10,900
But the time so helpful with the
Indians, the second, the fox, in

2839
02:38:10,900 --> 02:38:13,200
my back kitchen, I replied the
great spirit.

2840
02:38:13,200 --> 02:38:16,300
Once you to be United and live
in peace, he says I found a book

2841
02:38:16,300 --> 02:38:19,300
and presented them with a copy
of the book I'm wearing which

2842
02:38:19,300 --> 02:38:23,800
told me about your father's and
the great spirit told me.

2843
02:38:24,600 --> 02:38:28,300
So is so who told them?
The Lord.

2844
02:38:29,100 --> 02:38:30,500
The Lord, the great spirit,
right?

2845
02:38:30,500 --> 02:38:35,000
And he specifically saying this
book that I'm holding here, I'm

2846
02:38:35,000 --> 02:38:38,000
giving to you.
As you know, for you guys.

2847
02:38:38,000 --> 02:38:42,300
You Indians you need an American
people here in here cock.

2848
02:38:42,300 --> 02:38:47,000
Basically they can't they come
over from he says that and here

2849
02:38:47,000 --> 02:38:50,000
we have Joe Smith, basically
saying that this book is about

2850
02:38:50,000 --> 02:38:52,300
your father's.
Right?

2851
02:38:52,300 --> 02:38:55,800
And it was revealed to me.
Right.

2852
02:38:55,800 --> 02:38:59,000
Well, and here's the other
thing, right?

2853
02:38:59,000 --> 02:39:06,700
That, that makes no sense to me.
If Joseph Smith has a a way to

2854
02:39:06,700 --> 02:39:09,100
Revelation that, oh, you know
what, this all took place in

2855
02:39:09,100 --> 02:39:11,200
South America.
Why didn't he turn around send

2856
02:39:11,200 --> 02:39:13,300
missionaries down there?
Right.

2857
02:39:13,300 --> 02:39:17,300
He never he never was like, oh
man, I messed this up and we

2858
02:39:17,300 --> 02:39:21,100
know that the Lord chastises
Joseph in the Doctrine and

2859
02:39:21,100 --> 02:39:23,700
Covenants.
It's one of those Divine things

2860
02:39:23,700 --> 02:39:28,000
where like when someone says
well, he was just a He was just

2861
02:39:28,000 --> 02:39:30,700
a cult leader looking for a
falling.

2862
02:39:30,700 --> 02:39:33,600
Well, guess what happened?
Doesn't happen with cult leaders

2863
02:39:33,600 --> 02:39:37,200
too often the Lord the Lord kind
of hands him their his rear,

2864
02:39:37,200 --> 02:39:39,300
right?
But we see that, right?

2865
02:39:39,300 --> 02:39:43,600
And so the fact that Joseph
never receives a revelation that

2866
02:39:43,600 --> 02:39:46,800
that we know about that says,
hey you got this wrong.

2867
02:39:46,800 --> 02:39:49,700
It's actually South America
where this takes place or

2868
02:39:49,700 --> 02:39:51,200
mesoamerica.
Yes.

2869
02:39:51,200 --> 02:39:53,800
And the try, you got send your
missionaries down there now.

2870
02:39:55,000 --> 02:40:00,300
It it just doesn't hold water.
Well you have you have to make a

2871
02:40:00,300 --> 02:40:03,300
couple assumption if Joseph
Smith did receive a revelation

2872
02:40:03,300 --> 02:40:06,000
to go and take the send
missionaries down to Guatemala

2873
02:40:06,000 --> 02:40:13,200
and he was either a ignoring
God's Revelations to write or B.

2874
02:40:13,200 --> 02:40:15,900
He was just really really
incompetent and never got around

2875
02:40:15,900 --> 02:40:18,900
to it because it was 117 years
later before the first

2876
02:40:18,900 --> 02:40:21,600
missionaries entered the nation
of Guatemala, right?

2877
02:40:21,600 --> 02:40:27,300
Yeah, okay, so either he was
just ignoring God or he was

2878
02:40:27,300 --> 02:40:29,800
just, you know, just didn't get
around to it or whatever.

2879
02:40:29,800 --> 02:40:34,200
But we know that that wasn't
Joseph Smith Scott, that wasn't

2880
02:40:34,200 --> 02:40:36,700
his ml, right?
That's not what he would do.

2881
02:40:37,900 --> 02:40:41,200
So, it makes it makes no sense
that he would had that, that

2882
02:40:41,200 --> 02:40:43,400
Revelation if he would have been
giving the Revelation to send

2883
02:40:43,400 --> 02:40:46,000
Mysteries to Guatemala.
They certainly could have there

2884
02:40:46,000 --> 02:40:48,300
were ships and so forth.
They were they could have done

2885
02:40:48,300 --> 02:40:51,300
that, you know, there was right.
They could have yes people down

2886
02:40:51,300 --> 02:40:53,700
there.
So, but they didn't and then

2887
02:40:53,708 --> 02:40:56,200
that brings us to the next
thing, he'll come over tomorrow.

2888
02:40:56,800 --> 02:40:59,500
Of the Book of Mormon.
This is just.

2889
02:41:00,300 --> 02:41:04,400
Yeah, there's been people trying
to say that there's two, he'll

2890
02:41:04,400 --> 02:41:07,800
come over us and so forth.
In fact, that's one of the one

2891
02:41:07,800 --> 02:41:11,500
of the pre-reg was sets you
there is there is not a single

2892
02:41:11,500 --> 02:41:14,700
mesoamerica setting for the Book
of Mormons been proposed.

2893
02:41:15,900 --> 02:41:21,300
Right, that that can accept the
hill and New York as being the

2894
02:41:21,300 --> 02:41:22,000
hill commercial of the Book of
Mormon.

2895
02:41:22,000 --> 02:41:26,400
They all reject the Hill Cumorah
but yet we have, I'm going to

2896
02:41:26,400 --> 02:41:29,800
give you just a couple quick
examples of profits and so forth

2897
02:41:29,800 --> 02:41:32,700
and apostles who have
specifically talked about the

2898
02:41:32,700 --> 02:41:34,800
Hill Cumorah, New York, as being
The Book of Mormons Hill

2899
02:41:34,800 --> 02:41:38,300
Cumorah.
Now this is interesting so I

2900
02:41:38,308 --> 02:41:43,500
actually was was asked to, I was
doing a book signing actually in

2901
02:41:43,500 --> 02:41:49,500
Palmyra New York a few years ago
and and Mormon came to me.

2902
02:41:50,600 --> 02:41:53,600
The prophet Mormon, you know,
for the book and mermen.

2903
02:41:53,600 --> 02:41:55,800
Mm-hmm.
He came to me in the bookstore.

2904
02:41:55,800 --> 02:41:58,400
He's the guy that plays Mormon
in the right.

2905
02:41:58,400 --> 02:42:04,400
I think that's where you were
going or we were about real

2906
02:42:04,400 --> 02:42:06,500
interesting.
Really interesting.

2907
02:42:06,500 --> 02:42:09,000
Yeah.
But anyway, so he came into the

2908
02:42:09,000 --> 02:42:10,500
bookstore and we were talking
and so forth.

2909
02:42:10,500 --> 02:42:14,200
They said, yes, there was this
guy that came in and that and we

2910
02:42:14,200 --> 02:42:17,000
had all of our there's like six
hundred fifty cast members,

2911
02:42:17,000 --> 02:42:19,600
right?
And and he said, you know, this

2912
02:42:19,600 --> 02:42:22,600
is guy that came in and told all
the cast members he had a

2913
02:42:22,608 --> 02:42:25,600
presentation.
They said this isn't the real

2914
02:42:25,600 --> 02:42:27,300
Hill Cumorah, the real he'll
come.

2915
02:42:27,300 --> 02:42:28,800
Where is down in Central America
someplace?

2916
02:42:28,800 --> 02:42:31,300
We don't know where it is, but
we know that this isn't the one

2917
02:42:32,600 --> 02:42:35,700
And kind of gave him that and I
said really the guy was actually

2918
02:42:35,700 --> 02:42:37,100
telling you that stuff and said,
yeah.

2919
02:42:37,700 --> 02:42:39,600
Yeah, I said, well, did you know
about this?

2920
02:42:39,600 --> 02:42:41,800
Did you know about that?
I told him some things and he

2921
02:42:41,800 --> 02:42:42,600
said, no, I didn't know about
that.

2922
02:42:42,600 --> 02:42:46,100
And I said, well, he said, he
said, man, we need to have you

2923
02:42:46,100 --> 02:42:48,400
coming.
Actually, tell the cast members,

2924
02:42:48,400 --> 02:42:50,500
the facts, and the truth about
this.

2925
02:42:50,500 --> 02:42:53,000
And I said, well, can you set up
an appointment?

2926
02:42:53,000 --> 02:42:55,300
So, they did.
And I actually got to go and

2927
02:42:55,300 --> 02:42:58,900
speak to the 650 cast members at
the hill, from, where a pageant

2928
02:42:58,900 --> 02:42:59,900
that year.
Nice.

2929
02:42:59,900 --> 02:43:03,700
And it was awesome.
And in preparation for that or

2930
02:43:03,700 --> 02:43:06,500
after I did that presentation, I
wasn't really 100%.

2931
02:43:07,100 --> 02:43:09,700
That prepared and afterwards, I
get a presentation about the

2932
02:43:09,700 --> 02:43:13,000
Hill Cumorah and I came up with,
you know, these are the reasons

2933
02:43:13,000 --> 02:43:15,300
why the Hill Cumorah in New York
could not be the Hilton, where

2934
02:43:15,300 --> 02:43:18,200
the Book of Mormon and that's
according to anti-worm, and also

2935
02:43:18,200 --> 02:43:22,300
the mesoamerica theorist, okay?
Because in this particular case,

2936
02:43:22,300 --> 02:43:24,200
they're kind of on the same
team, okay?

2937
02:43:24,200 --> 02:43:27,000
But basically the number one is
the hills, too small, the

2938
02:43:27,000 --> 02:43:29,100
permit, such a massive battle to
take place on that.

2939
02:43:29,100 --> 02:43:32,400
Number two, the hills too small
that do hundreds of thousands of

2940
02:43:32,400 --> 02:43:34,400
dead people on such a massive
Battlefield.

2941
02:43:34,400 --> 02:43:38,700
It's just not that tall.
It really is, it's probably what

2942
02:43:38,700 --> 02:43:42,000
maybe 70 feet taller, 60 feet
tall, right?

2943
02:43:42,000 --> 02:43:46,200
Like that says that number three
there's millions of human bones

2944
02:43:46,200 --> 02:43:51,500
where are they?
You know, how can we find steel

2945
02:43:51,500 --> 02:43:54,200
swords?
If there was no hundreds of

2946
02:43:54,208 --> 02:43:56,400
thousands of people that died
there, you should be able to

2947
02:43:56,400 --> 02:43:57,800
find a steel swords all over the
place.

2948
02:43:57,800 --> 02:43:58,600
Right.
Right.

2949
02:43:58,600 --> 02:44:01,800
And what about the metal armor
like hit play some breastplates

2950
02:44:01,800 --> 02:44:03,000
and so forth.
Whereas all that.

2951
02:44:03,800 --> 02:44:06,200
And then also, and this is not
just the first time, this is

2952
02:44:06,200 --> 02:44:09,300
that actually the second time
because they had the Jared ice

2953
02:44:09,300 --> 02:44:12,700
all diet, the same at the same
location, right?

2954
02:44:12,700 --> 02:44:14,200
But the hill, right.
Right.

2955
02:44:15,100 --> 02:44:17,800
And then all.
So I said that, they talked

2956
02:44:17,800 --> 02:44:20,800
about this room of Records to
the phone all over and other

2957
02:44:20,800 --> 02:44:21,700
people.
Brigham Young.

2958
02:44:21,700 --> 02:44:26,300
They, they talked about this
room of records and a Glacial

2959
02:44:26,300 --> 02:44:29,500
Drumlin, which is what the Hill
Court is is not conducive for

2960
02:44:29,500 --> 02:44:33,100
formation.
And so only a couple times a day

2961
02:44:33,108 --> 02:44:35,600
actually, say it was a cave.
Most of them said it was a room.

2962
02:44:36,700 --> 02:44:38,800
Interesting.
By the way, we won't go into all

2963
02:44:38,800 --> 02:44:40,900
the details on that.
But anyway, so I went in and

2964
02:44:40,900 --> 02:44:42,300
basically addressed all these
different things.

2965
02:44:42,300 --> 02:44:45,400
You know, first off the Hill
Cumorah in Central America,

2966
02:44:45,400 --> 02:44:50,000
these are four that have been
proposed as the possible he'll

2967
02:44:50,000 --> 02:44:51,800
come over us.
Interesting thing is, is that

2968
02:44:51,800 --> 02:44:54,400
none of them are Hills.
Right now.

2969
02:44:57,000 --> 02:45:00,400
Mounds are mentioned in the Book
of Mormon, but the Hill Cumorah,

2970
02:45:00,400 --> 02:45:03,300
it was not called the mountain
come work because it wasn't a

2971
02:45:03,300 --> 02:45:05,600
mountain, right?
Anyway.

2972
02:45:07,100 --> 02:45:09,900
And then people say, well, but
Joseph Smith never talked about,

2973
02:45:09,900 --> 02:45:12,500
this is being the Hill Cumorah
and his time frame.

2974
02:45:12,500 --> 02:45:15,800
He never mentioned or talked
about it, but that's actually

2975
02:45:15,800 --> 02:45:17,900
not true.
Either Doctrine comes with 128

2976
02:45:17,900 --> 02:45:20,300
Ducks about Glad Tidings from
come over.

2977
02:45:21,000 --> 02:45:24,100
And then and then Kimora's
related to Fayette Seneca

2978
02:45:24,100 --> 02:45:26,200
County.
The banks that says Go Hannah,

2979
02:45:26,200 --> 02:45:31,300
you know, the right handy.
Kohl's bill Broome County and so

2980
02:45:31,308 --> 02:45:33,200
forth.
They'll come over as related to

2981
02:45:33,200 --> 02:45:38,200
all of these places in this
verse and I 28.

2982
02:45:38,200 --> 02:45:41,900
And yet somehow, we're supposed
to believe that they don't mean

2983
02:45:41,900 --> 02:45:46,400
Kamara is in New York, right?
Somebody referring to a camera

2984
02:45:46,400 --> 02:45:48,400
down and Central America
someplace.

2985
02:45:50,000 --> 02:45:55,300
You know, it doesn't hold water.
Yeah and then we can go into

2986
02:45:55,300 --> 02:45:58,400
like Joseph Fielding Smith and
so forth and how they talked

2987
02:45:58,400 --> 02:46:00,200
about how this this modernistic
theory.

2988
02:46:00,200 --> 02:46:06,100
He actually wrote In This Book
doctors and salvation says this

2989
02:46:06,100 --> 02:46:10,000
this this this Mesoamerican
modernistic theory of necessity.

2990
02:46:10,000 --> 02:46:12,500
In order to be consistent, must
place, the Waters of Ripley

2991
02:46:12,500 --> 02:46:15,100
income and the hill Morris some
place within the restricted

2992
02:46:15,100 --> 02:46:18,400
territory Central, America,
notwithstanding the teachings of

2993
02:46:18,400 --> 02:46:20,900
the church to the contrary for
upwards of 100 years.

2994
02:46:20,900 --> 02:46:24,000
Now, this is talking about the
Salt Lake Church obviously, but

2995
02:46:24,000 --> 02:46:27,000
the fact about, for, at least
100 years up into Jonah, Smith's

2996
02:46:27,000 --> 02:46:30,600
time frame, the church should
always maintained that the hill

2997
02:46:30,600 --> 02:46:33,900
in New York was the Hill Court.
The Book of Mormon He said

2998
02:46:33,908 --> 02:46:36,300
because of this Maceo American
Theory.

2999
02:46:37,300 --> 02:46:40,600
Members the church to become
confused and greatly Disturbed

3000
02:46:40,600 --> 02:46:41,700
in their face in the Book of
Mormon.

3001
02:46:41,700 --> 02:46:44,300
He says, as though, the hookah
bar where the price, we're

3002
02:46:44,300 --> 02:46:46,100
destroys the hill where the
jaredites were also destroyed.

3003
02:46:47,200 --> 02:46:50,200
This is actually from a first
present season letter, this is a

3004
02:46:50,200 --> 02:46:52,900
secretary, the first president.
See this is f.

3005
02:46:52,900 --> 02:46:57,500
Michael Watson, Bishop Darrell
Brooks from Oklahoma City, South

3006
02:46:57,500 --> 02:47:03,900
State and more Oklahoma wrote
and asked, the, as the first

3007
02:47:03,908 --> 02:47:09,600
presidency about the Hill
Cumorah, And he says the church

3008
02:47:09,600 --> 02:47:12,200
has long maintained as attested
to by references in the writings

3009
02:47:12,200 --> 02:47:14,500
of general authorities.
The Hill Cumorah in Western New

3010
02:47:14,500 --> 02:47:17,200
York is state is the same as
reference in the Book of Mormon.

3011
02:47:18,100 --> 02:47:20,800
Interesting.
So, there we go.

3012
02:47:20,800 --> 02:47:24,100
Yeah, so that's been the
position now.

3013
02:47:24,100 --> 02:47:26,800
This should be that I broke this
down into unrealistic

3014
02:47:26,800 --> 02:47:29,300
expectations.
These are the things that are

3015
02:47:29,300 --> 02:47:32,700
expected.
People say, well, we expect to

3016
02:47:32,700 --> 02:47:35,900
find, you know, bones and metal
swords and so forth and so on.

3017
02:47:37,600 --> 02:47:41,000
I call unrealistic expectations
because if you actually do a

3018
02:47:41,008 --> 02:47:44,100
little bit of just thinking
about this for a second, you

3019
02:47:44,100 --> 02:47:47,600
realize that this is plenty of
space, you know, talks about the

3020
02:47:47,600 --> 02:47:50,100
size of the heels, too small to
have a massive battle on it.

3021
02:47:50,900 --> 02:47:52,800
Well, first off the book,
remember never says that the

3022
02:47:52,800 --> 02:47:54,300
battle happened on the Hill
tomorrow.

3023
02:47:54,300 --> 02:47:56,400
What happened?
Round about the hill tomorrow,

3024
02:47:56,400 --> 02:47:59,000
right?
So in the vicinity of the

3025
02:47:59,000 --> 02:48:02,900
helper, I didn't didn't have
250,000 people fighting on that

3026
02:48:02,900 --> 02:48:05,400
hill, right?
But there's plenty of room for

3027
02:48:05,408 --> 02:48:09,300
250000 people.
To fit it and have this bad luck

3028
02:48:09,300 --> 02:48:11,200
here.
This big and this big open, you

3029
02:48:11,200 --> 02:48:14,700
know, Valley right?
You can't see millions of people

3030
02:48:14,700 --> 02:48:16,200
on the massive Battlefield from
the hilltop.

3031
02:48:16,200 --> 02:48:19,500
Well actually that's not true.
Either you can see almost 40

3032
02:48:19,500 --> 02:48:22,200
miles.
Almost to to Rochester.

3033
02:48:22,200 --> 02:48:27,200
Yeah, you can you can see from
the Hill Cumorah, I'm also the

3034
02:48:27,200 --> 02:48:33,600
size of a hill does not make it.
you know, there's not a critical

3035
02:48:33,600 --> 02:48:36,400
place to make it basically like
for example, the Battle of get

3036
02:48:37,200 --> 02:48:40,500
Is getting a little round top,
which is that if you take a look

3037
02:48:40,508 --> 02:48:44,000
at this image, the little round
top is the it is the hill and

3038
02:48:44,000 --> 02:48:46,200
the foreground, okay?
Okay.

3039
02:48:46,200 --> 02:48:51,000
Big round top is the distant one
that the big round top is like

3040
02:48:51,000 --> 02:48:54,900
twice as tall as little round
top but they these little round

3041
02:48:54,900 --> 02:49:00,200
top as the as the primary place
to view the Battle of Gettysburg

3042
02:49:00,200 --> 02:49:04,300
and the reason with pretty
simple little round, top didn't

3043
02:49:04,300 --> 02:49:06,700
have trees on the top of it and
big round top dead.

3044
02:49:06,700 --> 02:49:08,100
Right.
Right.

3045
02:49:08,100 --> 02:49:13,000
So it was just yeah it was based
on availability of, you know,

3046
02:49:13,008 --> 02:49:17,400
line of sight, right?
And little round top is

3047
02:49:17,400 --> 02:49:21,900
basically it's smaller than the
Hill Cumorah but yet they

3048
02:49:21,900 --> 02:49:24,000
watched the entire Battle of
Gettysburg from the top of that

3049
02:49:24,000 --> 02:49:26,800
hill, right.
So the size of the Hill, the

3050
02:49:26,800 --> 02:49:30,200
hill is not too small for that.
I'm in fact this is the view

3051
02:49:30,200 --> 02:49:33,800
actually looking off to the West
essentially kind of this to the

3052
02:49:33,808 --> 02:49:39,200
South West.
That's But you can see you can

3053
02:49:39,208 --> 02:49:40,900
see a long ways.
The course with trees in there.

3054
02:49:40,908 --> 02:49:44,700
You know, it blocks it off a lot
but but basically you know but

3055
02:49:44,700 --> 02:49:46,100
you can see the whole general
area here.

3056
02:49:46,100 --> 02:49:48,500
Absolutely.
What about buffalo in the Book

3057
02:49:48,500 --> 02:49:51,500
of Mormon?
You know, right, where in the

3058
02:49:51,508 --> 02:49:53,400
book of mermaid is to talk about
Buffalo, well, it doesn't talk

3059
02:49:53,400 --> 02:49:56,400
about Buffalo specifically, but,
but this is one of the things

3060
02:49:56,400 --> 02:49:59,000
that was interesting.
Yeah.

3061
02:49:59,000 --> 02:50:01,700
They say, what about the bones
in the Book of Mormon?

3062
02:50:01,700 --> 02:50:05,700
Where is all the bones of the
jaredites and the Nephites that

3063
02:50:05,700 --> 02:50:09,000
were killed there, right?
And you have to understand first

3064
02:50:09,000 --> 02:50:12,600
off, The only way, the only way
that bones are going to be

3065
02:50:12,600 --> 02:50:15,700
preserved.
Is if they're buried, right?

3066
02:50:15,700 --> 02:50:18,400
They have to be buried at least
three or four feet down so that

3067
02:50:18,400 --> 02:50:21,400
you don't get enough oxygen.
So it doesn't oxygenate.

3068
02:50:21,400 --> 02:50:24,100
The calcium carbonate in the
bones, which will break him

3069
02:50:24,100 --> 02:50:27,100
down, so you have to get him
down below the oxygen levels,

3070
02:50:27,100 --> 02:50:30,200
where the auction levels in the
soil are depleted.

3071
02:50:31,000 --> 02:50:33,400
And and so, so who buried the
jaredites?

3072
02:50:34,700 --> 02:50:36,200
Well, nobody.
Nobody yeah.

3073
02:50:37,300 --> 02:50:40,800
There was nobody left you know
like one guy right?

3074
02:50:40,800 --> 02:50:43,800
Who buried the knee fights did
the Jared Knights bury the knee

3075
02:50:43,800 --> 02:50:46,800
fights.
No no he did the name is better

3076
02:50:46,808 --> 02:50:49,100
than a fights.
Most likely not know.

3077
02:50:49,100 --> 02:50:53,100
It says that they specifically
said that they were they were

3078
02:50:53,100 --> 02:50:55,200
left to molder and returned to
Mother Earth.

3079
02:50:55,200 --> 02:50:57,600
Yep.
It left on the surface of the

3080
02:50:57,600 --> 02:51:02,400
ground he said so a buffalo is
many times bigger than a human

3081
02:51:03,200 --> 02:51:07,500
Much thicker bounds thicker
hide, you know, there's a lot of

3082
02:51:07,500 --> 02:51:09,600
things that would keep a
buffalo, you know?

3083
02:51:09,608 --> 02:51:13,800
And I just gave example, let's
just say that a cow in New York

3084
02:51:13,800 --> 02:51:17,000
wanders off someplace and dies.
How long is it going to be?

3085
02:51:17,000 --> 02:51:21,400
You know, how long is that
animals remains going to remain

3086
02:51:21,400 --> 02:51:24,000
on the surface that you could
actually, you know, know that

3087
02:51:24,000 --> 02:51:27,100
there was a cow there not long
especially when you factor in

3088
02:51:27,100 --> 02:51:30,700
like out west, it'll last a
little longer because it's drier

3089
02:51:30,700 --> 02:51:32,700
where there's a more humid
climate.

3090
02:51:32,700 --> 02:51:36,300
It breaks down faster and New
York is definitely more humid.

3091
02:51:37,300 --> 02:51:39,100
That's right.
And you've got things like

3092
02:51:39,100 --> 02:51:43,900
wolves and coyotes and all kinds
of raccoons and and all kinds of

3093
02:51:43,900 --> 02:51:46,600
animals that would eat off of,
but but there's no chemicals.

3094
02:51:46,600 --> 02:51:49,500
Degradation, basically, you
know, chemically the body starts

3095
02:51:49,500 --> 02:51:52,000
to break down over the course of
time.

3096
02:51:52,000 --> 02:51:53,600
You go through a couple of
Seasons.

3097
02:51:53,600 --> 02:51:56,500
You got Winter's and Summers and
freezing and fine and so forth.

3098
02:51:56,500 --> 02:52:00,900
You've got the you've got a
flies and maggots the things

3099
02:52:00,900 --> 02:52:03,500
that they're going to happen
there and all these other

3100
02:52:03,500 --> 02:52:05,100
predators.
And so for their gonna come in

3101
02:52:05,100 --> 02:52:11,400
by the Line, This is the, this
is a 1800 pound bull bison know

3102
02:52:11,400 --> 02:52:15,200
in in Yellowstone when I went up
there and it took a couple of

3103
02:52:15,200 --> 02:52:18,500
pictures of this.
This is a, this is a buffalo

3104
02:52:18,500 --> 02:52:21,600
kill site and that's only about
a year and a half old.

3105
02:52:22,600 --> 02:52:24,300
Interesting, that's all that's
left.

3106
02:52:25,000 --> 02:52:28,400
Within about within just a
couple of years I had some other

3107
02:52:28,408 --> 02:52:31,100
pictures that within two or
three years and Yellowstone.

3108
02:52:31,100 --> 02:52:34,300
There's no there's no there's
nothing left there's no there's

3109
02:52:34,300 --> 02:52:38,900
no evidence that that Buffalo
ever existed right just left out

3110
02:52:38,900 --> 02:52:41,900
there on the on the surface.
So why would we why would

3111
02:52:41,900 --> 02:52:44,600
anybody expect that?
We're going to find you know,

3112
02:52:44,608 --> 02:52:48,400
human bones strewn about the
surface of the of the the area

3113
02:52:48,400 --> 02:52:52,500
there around New York?
Yeah, yeah, it is.

3114
02:52:53,200 --> 02:52:55,500
You're right.
And then and then what about

3115
02:52:55,500 --> 02:52:58,800
steel swords?
Well this is a 17th century

3116
02:52:58,800 --> 02:53:00,500
store.
This is a this is a Spaniard

3117
02:53:00,500 --> 02:53:04,300
sword, it's been left out there
and it's almost completely, you

3118
02:53:04,300 --> 02:53:06,900
know, rest of the way it's
almost done recognizable.

3119
02:53:07,900 --> 02:53:09,700
Yeah.
I mean you can just see that you

3120
02:53:09,700 --> 02:53:10,900
can see the handle part of it
here.

3121
02:53:10,900 --> 02:53:13,500
On the left hand side, right?
Part of the blade on the right

3122
02:53:13,500 --> 02:53:15,500
hand side, but most of the blade
is gone.

3123
02:53:15,500 --> 02:53:18,100
Yep.
Given another, you know, 30 or

3124
02:53:18,100 --> 02:53:20,700
40 years there would be nothing
left but a red stain in the

3125
02:53:20,708 --> 02:53:22,100
ground, right?
Yeah.

3126
02:53:22,100 --> 02:53:26,100
So in any kind of a steel sword,
it's ridiculous to think that

3127
02:53:26,100 --> 02:53:29,300
you would ever find one because
they would have long ago,

3128
02:53:29,300 --> 02:53:32,400
wrested away, right.
Okay.

3129
02:53:32,400 --> 02:53:35,100
But then, what about
breastplates and hit play?

3130
02:53:35,100 --> 02:53:37,800
Some of those were said that
we're made out of car.

3131
02:53:37,800 --> 02:53:40,500
Where are all those?
Well, you have to understand

3132
02:53:40,500 --> 02:53:43,300
that the knee fights were highly
outnumbered, by the way, when I

3133
02:53:43,308 --> 02:53:47,300
was probably a three to four to
one ratio and and, you know, and

3134
02:53:47,300 --> 02:53:50,700
my personal thought is that
talks about the great and final

3135
02:53:50,700 --> 02:53:52,400
battle of the book of mermaid
talked about.

3136
02:53:52,408 --> 02:53:55,100
There's just 23 individuals with
10,000 guys.

3137
02:53:55,100 --> 02:53:57,600
Each.
Now, I don't know that I would

3138
02:53:57,600 --> 02:54:00,200
doubt, that 10,000 is the exact
number, what?

3139
02:54:00,200 --> 02:54:02,100
Probably, just kind of like a
bunch of people.

3140
02:54:02,100 --> 02:54:07,200
Write, write 10,000 ten
thousand, whatever if you if it

3141
02:54:07,200 --> 02:54:09,300
was 1000.
That would be 230,000 men

3142
02:54:09,300 --> 02:54:12,500
potentially press women and
children unless they counted the

3143
02:54:12,500 --> 02:54:14,500
women and children as combatants
as well.

3144
02:54:14,500 --> 02:54:16,600
Right.
I don't know if they did or not,

3145
02:54:16,600 --> 02:54:19,100
but it's hard to tell but they
usually say man.

3146
02:54:19,100 --> 02:54:23,400
Anyway, so that's the case.
And you have a lame right Army

3147
02:54:23,400 --> 02:54:28,000
coming with Gosh, I mean maybe a
half a million man, right?

3148
02:54:28,000 --> 02:54:31,300
Against 250,000 men or 230,000
men.

3149
02:54:32,100 --> 02:54:34,800
So anyway, bottom line is, is
that it's, you know, the

3150
02:54:34,800 --> 02:54:37,700
lamanites are way, outnumbering
Nephites.

3151
02:54:37,700 --> 02:54:41,400
And after the neat fights are
all annihilated and they're

3152
02:54:41,400 --> 02:54:44,900
laying there dead on the ground.
What's the chances?

3153
02:54:44,900 --> 02:54:47,100
The fear of Limonite Warrior
that you're going to walk past

3154
02:54:47,100 --> 02:54:49,800
this knee fight with his
beautiful armor on?

3155
02:54:50,600 --> 02:54:52,100
No, you're taking it home is
either.

3156
02:54:52,100 --> 02:54:54,100
Take it.
Yeah, you're gonna take it home

3157
02:54:54,108 --> 02:54:56,700
as a trophy or a tool of some
sort.

3158
02:54:56,700 --> 02:54:59,300
I mean you're going to to
scavenge that.

3159
02:55:00,700 --> 02:55:03,000
That's right.
It's called Spoils of War.

3160
02:55:03,000 --> 02:55:05,800
It's it happens in practically
every kind of battle kind of

3161
02:55:05,808 --> 02:55:09,200
thing, you know, it's actually
anciently but basically, so if

3162
02:55:09,200 --> 02:55:12,600
there was a nice steel sword, if
there was that, you know, a nice

3163
02:55:12,600 --> 02:55:14,400
head plate, breastplate, they
say that.

3164
02:55:14,400 --> 02:55:17,100
Guys about my same size.
I think I'll take that from him,

3165
02:55:17,100 --> 02:55:19,200
he's not gonna need it anyway,
right?

3166
02:55:19,200 --> 02:55:22,800
So they're going to take most of
that and just hold it up and

3167
02:55:22,800 --> 02:55:25,200
says there's price as many of
them as there was Nephi fights.

3168
02:55:25,200 --> 02:55:29,000
You know, that literally going
to strip almost everybody on the

3169
02:55:29,008 --> 02:55:32,400
battlefield down unless unless
their stuff was so messed up

3170
02:55:32,400 --> 02:55:33,400
that they couldn't use it,
right?

3171
02:55:33,400 --> 02:55:38,400
Like the split in half or
something about and then I well

3172
02:55:38,400 --> 02:55:41,900
get rid of that.
But anyway, so that's so you

3173
02:55:41,900 --> 02:55:44,800
wouldn't expect to find a heck
of a lot of stuff left over from

3174
02:55:44,800 --> 02:55:48,500
a battle that had the, the ratio
of the lamanites.

3175
02:55:48,500 --> 02:55:51,700
And if it's describing the Book
of Mormon, So then what kind of

3176
02:55:51,708 --> 02:55:54,300
expectations would we expect to
have them from the text based on

3177
02:55:54,308 --> 02:55:57,000
arrowheads defensive structures
repository of records, and so

3178
02:55:57,008 --> 02:55:58,900
forth?
Well, it turns out that there

3179
02:55:58,900 --> 02:56:01,700
were tons of arrowheads.
So many arrowheads that the

3180
02:56:01,700 --> 02:56:06,300
early early Riders not not LDS
writers, but just early people

3181
02:56:06,300 --> 02:56:10,800
coming in the area.
Like the talk about the state of

3182
02:56:10,808 --> 02:56:13,100
New York.
They talked about, you know, you

3183
02:56:13,100 --> 02:56:15,700
couldn't walk on the ground
without stepping on arrowheads,

3184
02:56:15,700 --> 02:56:19,600
they were just everywhere and
every Farmer for the last, you

3185
02:56:19,600 --> 02:56:23,700
know, Century in New York has
had massive amounts of

3186
02:56:23,700 --> 02:56:26,700
arrowheads and so forth.
They just gave him away for like

3187
02:56:26,700 --> 02:56:29,200
about 340 years.
When the church first put up the

3188
02:56:29,200 --> 02:56:33,200
the the Visitor Center there at
the Hill Cumorah.

3189
02:56:33,200 --> 02:56:38,400
They they had a barrel out there
and Farmers could just come and

3190
02:56:38,400 --> 02:56:41,700
just throw their arrowheads in
the barrel and and people would

3191
02:56:41,700 --> 02:56:44,800
come to the hill and take one of
the souvenir and this went on

3192
02:56:44,800 --> 02:56:50,900
for years.
Yeah, a defensive structures and

3193
02:56:50,900 --> 02:56:53,000
around the hill Camaro, the
repository of records, and so

3194
02:56:53,008 --> 02:56:53,900
forth.
I mean, yeah.

3195
02:56:53,900 --> 02:56:55,300
Oh my gosh, we could go into
that.

3196
02:56:55,300 --> 02:57:00,000
This is actually one of the
stone walls goes through the the

3197
02:57:00,000 --> 02:57:05,200
sacred grove actually.
Um, this is a whole other thing

3198
02:57:05,200 --> 02:57:07,900
but this is, this is inside the
repository.

3199
02:57:07,900 --> 02:57:12,100
It's a photograph that was taken
by a friend of mine.

3200
02:57:12,100 --> 02:57:16,100
Anyway, here's a descendant of
Willard Bean that helped to help

3201
02:57:16,100 --> 02:57:20,300
to, you know, to get the Hill
Cumorah so as you know under our

3202
02:57:20,300 --> 02:57:26,000
control kind of thing.
And anyway so those back up that

3203
02:57:26,000 --> 02:57:29,300
cave there that in the Hill
Cumorah Yeah.

3204
02:57:29,300 --> 02:57:33,600
Okay fast.
Yeah, it was Willard Bean.

3205
02:57:33,600 --> 02:57:40,900
Basically his his drink.
The sentences is Laurie.

3206
02:57:42,900 --> 02:57:44,700
Laurie Bean anyway.
Okay.

3207
02:57:44,700 --> 02:57:50,200
But but the the church would
allow the bean family to go and

3208
02:57:50,200 --> 02:57:53,900
have family reunions on the hill
because of you know, how to

3209
02:57:53,900 --> 02:57:59,400
obtain the hill and everything.
So they were on the hill, on the

3210
02:57:59,400 --> 02:58:01,100
hill.
I have this family reunion theme

3211
02:58:01,100 --> 02:58:05,300
probably about 15 years ago and
and then almost said, one of the

3212
02:58:05,308 --> 02:58:09,300
kids come running down He'll say
Hey Little Johnny fell into this

3213
02:58:09,300 --> 02:58:10,900
thing, whatever they write about
the heck.

3214
02:58:10,908 --> 02:58:13,900
So they go up there and sure
enough he's falling into this

3215
02:58:13,908 --> 02:58:18,400
this hole in the side of the
hill and so they said like well

3216
02:58:18,400 --> 02:58:20,200
what the heck they can't get him
out of there.

3217
02:58:20,200 --> 02:58:21,200
He's the kids.
Okay.

3218
02:58:21,200 --> 02:58:24,900
Because it's only about 12 or 13
feet down, but he can't, they

3219
02:58:24,900 --> 02:58:27,300
can't reach it.
So they went down the parking

3220
02:58:27,300 --> 02:58:29,200
lot.
Like I remember correctly, I

3221
02:58:29,200 --> 02:58:31,700
think that they ended up getting
like some jumper cables or

3222
02:58:31,700 --> 02:58:34,800
something.
They ran up there and lower the

3223
02:58:34,800 --> 02:58:38,200
jumper cables down.
They're the boy grabbed the

3224
02:58:38,200 --> 02:58:41,200
whole event and then pulled him
back up out of the thing to

3225
02:58:41,200 --> 02:58:44,300
safety.
And before they left, he had the

3226
02:58:44,300 --> 02:58:49,200
wherewithal to thinking the.
So, Matt is the the guys.

3227
02:58:49,200 --> 02:58:52,300
He basically he's with the film
department of the church and

3228
02:58:52,300 --> 02:58:54,700
long story short.
He had a camera so he took this

3229
02:58:54,700 --> 02:58:56,500
flash picture of the inside of
this thing.

3230
02:58:59,300 --> 02:59:02,100
Like a stroke like a structured
wall.

3231
02:59:02,100 --> 02:59:04,700
As you look at this, it's not a
cave.

3232
02:59:04,700 --> 02:59:07,900
Yeah, as you look at the way
those stones are, right?

3233
02:59:07,900 --> 02:59:10,400
That's a wall.
Yeah.

3234
02:59:10,400 --> 02:59:13,500
And in fact that went, oh, yeah.
Up to the top of the seal.

3235
02:59:13,500 --> 02:59:16,200
There were kind of, they kind of
level them up there and it was

3236
02:59:16,208 --> 02:59:18,400
covered with with dirt upon top
of that.

3237
02:59:18,400 --> 02:59:22,100
And that just collapsed in.
When the kid got on, there was

3238
02:59:22,100 --> 02:59:24,200
just heavy enough to collapse it
into it.

3239
02:59:24,200 --> 02:59:27,200
And, and so you can kind of see
a little bit of the dirt there

3240
02:59:27,200 --> 02:59:29,600
in the bottom.
So, yeah, leaves the stuff at

3241
02:59:29,600 --> 02:59:30,900
the bottom of that.
Where it came in.

3242
02:59:31,800 --> 02:59:36,200
But basically, yeah, so this is
the then about three days later.

3243
02:59:37,200 --> 02:59:42,000
There was a contractor that came
out there and placed a steel

3244
02:59:42,000 --> 02:59:45,300
plate over the top of it.
And then covered that with with

3245
02:59:45,300 --> 02:59:48,900
soil.
And as I understand, I haven't

3246
02:59:48,900 --> 02:59:51,200
done it personally, but as I
understand other people have

3247
02:59:51,200 --> 02:59:53,400
actually brought like medli
detectors out there and it's

3248
02:59:53,400 --> 02:59:55,300
still there.
The metal is still there.

3249
02:59:55,300 --> 02:59:58,600
Holy cow.
Yeah, I would love.

3250
02:59:58,600 --> 03:00:01,300
I would love to see the inside
of that thing.

3251
03:00:01,300 --> 03:00:04,300
Holy cow, as a survey, it's just
begging me to go.

3252
03:00:04,300 --> 03:00:07,800
But why is it empty?
You know, this one of the

3253
03:00:07,800 --> 03:00:10,300
questions because people go,
what, what happened to all the

3254
03:00:10,308 --> 03:00:12,000
stuff that was in there because
right?

3255
03:00:12,000 --> 03:00:16,200
Talk about theirs, as much as
eight wagon loads of place and

3256
03:00:16,200 --> 03:00:19,900
so forth in their But we also
know that when they left the

3257
03:00:19,900 --> 03:00:24,300
area they that he'll come over
was was not pretty bad by people

3258
03:00:24,300 --> 03:00:26,400
and it didn't look like it does.
Today didn't have trees and

3259
03:00:26,400 --> 03:00:27,900
stuff on.
It was pretty much just nude,

3260
03:00:27,900 --> 03:00:31,700
you know, there was the nudity
of trees, I should say anyway,

3261
03:00:31,700 --> 03:00:36,000
so they but anyway, somehow that
this didn't get found but this

3262
03:00:36,000 --> 03:00:42,800
is actually The the image there
of this and the according to the

3263
03:00:42,800 --> 03:00:45,200
store says from Oliver cowdery
and so forth.

3264
03:00:45,200 --> 03:00:47,800
It was about a room is about 16
by 16.

3265
03:00:48,800 --> 03:00:52,700
By about 10 or 12 feet high.
They didn't say the height.

3266
03:00:52,700 --> 03:00:54,500
They just said, it was just, it
was just a room.

3267
03:00:55,300 --> 03:01:00,800
About 15. 16 feet square.
Yeah, yeah, I know that I for, I

3268
03:01:00,800 --> 03:01:03,800
hope everyone who's listening
actually goes to the, to the

3269
03:01:03,800 --> 03:01:07,200
rumble Channel and take take a
look at this because it

3270
03:01:07,200 --> 03:01:10,600
absolutely is a structured wall,
right?

3271
03:01:10,600 --> 03:01:15,100
I mean, that that is Stone
placed on top of each other and

3272
03:01:15,100 --> 03:01:18,300
it's not natural.
That's man-made know, that's

3273
03:01:18,300 --> 03:01:20,000
man-made.
That's a man-made structure.

3274
03:01:20,000 --> 03:01:23,900
Yeah, wow.
And that also addresses the fact

3275
03:01:23,900 --> 03:01:26,900
that they said the Hill Cumorah
as a Glacial Drumlin it's not

3276
03:01:26,908 --> 03:01:31,000
conducive to Kay for nation
which is true, but but there's

3277
03:01:31,000 --> 03:01:33,700
only one, or two of the counted
that talked about it being a

3278
03:01:33,700 --> 03:01:36,100
cave, Muslim just said it was a
room.

3279
03:01:36,800 --> 03:01:42,200
Right, that they went.
So yeah, so there's that then,

3280
03:01:42,200 --> 03:01:45,700
of course history, you know,
comedy The Village, Manchester

3281
03:01:45,700 --> 03:01:47,600
there's this hill and so forth,
right?

3282
03:01:47,600 --> 03:01:52,800
This is where it comes into
really, I don't know how people

3283
03:01:52,800 --> 03:01:56,800
can argue this But other counter
was commissioned by Joseph

3284
03:01:56,800 --> 03:01:58,400
Smith.
To write the early history of

3285
03:01:58,400 --> 03:02:01,200
the church and he did it in a
series of eight letters and

3286
03:02:01,200 --> 03:02:04,600
letter number seven of Oliver
cowder, work.

3287
03:02:04,600 --> 03:02:09,500
He talks about the okamura Now
people say well well Joseph

3288
03:02:09,500 --> 03:02:12,000
Smith, you know, maybe maybe he
didn't, you know, he didn't

3289
03:02:12,000 --> 03:02:15,900
write, it was all recovery but
actually all of her calories

3290
03:02:15,900 --> 03:02:18,200
specifically said that these
letters were written with the

3291
03:02:18,200 --> 03:02:23,100
direct help and in of jealous
Smith, he says, in fact there's

3292
03:02:23,100 --> 03:02:26,300
a lot of things that that were
only known by the Smith.

3293
03:02:26,300 --> 03:02:28,900
And the only way that I would
have gotten that information was

3294
03:02:28,900 --> 03:02:32,600
through the Smith himself now,
if Joseph Smith didn't agree

3295
03:02:32,600 --> 03:02:35,900
with this and he could have
certainly just had just go out,

3296
03:02:35,900 --> 03:02:38,200
it's just the letter as in that
promote it.

3297
03:02:38,208 --> 03:02:41,500
But Joseph Smith took the
opportunity to actually have

3298
03:02:41,500 --> 03:02:43,900
these published in every
publication that he had access

3299
03:02:43,900 --> 03:02:46,300
to, it was in the times and
Seasons evening in the Morning

3300
03:02:46,300 --> 03:02:48,000
Star.
He actually had it written in

3301
03:02:48,000 --> 03:02:51,700
his own personal journals.
So for this these letters from

3302
03:02:51,700 --> 03:02:54,500
Oliver cowdery, that's some
people say, well, Oliver cowdery

3303
03:02:54,500 --> 03:02:58,700
became, you know, an apostate.
But the bottom line is, this is

3304
03:02:58,700 --> 03:03:02,400
that during this time when these
were written, he was the he was

3305
03:03:02,400 --> 03:03:07,200
not just Anybody, he was
actually the assistant press and

3306
03:03:07,200 --> 03:03:08,600
of the church.
Yep.

3307
03:03:08,600 --> 03:03:12,900
Second only to Joseph himself.
So, even even higher than Hiram,

3308
03:03:12,900 --> 03:03:16,900
any of the 12 apostles, he was
basically assistant president at

3309
03:03:16,900 --> 03:03:18,300
the time when he was writing
these things.

3310
03:03:18,300 --> 03:03:22,000
And, and as you go through this,
this is just an amazing day.

3311
03:03:22,000 --> 03:03:24,900
But listen to what he says here.
He says, I must now give you

3312
03:03:24,900 --> 03:03:27,600
some description of the place
where and the manner in which

3313
03:03:27,600 --> 03:03:31,700
these records were deposited.
You're acquainted with the mail

3314
03:03:31,700 --> 03:03:34,700
Road from Palmyra, Wayne County
to Canandaigua Ontario County.

3315
03:03:34,700 --> 03:03:38,200
And also as you passed from the
former the latter place before

3316
03:03:38,200 --> 03:03:40,400
arriving at a little village of
Manchester about three or four

3317
03:03:40,408 --> 03:03:43,800
miles from Palmyra, he passed a
large Hill on the east side of

3318
03:03:43,800 --> 03:03:49,400
the road.
That is exactly a description as

3319
03:03:49,400 --> 03:03:50,800
you can.
Yeah, right.

3320
03:03:50,800 --> 03:03:53,300
So, he's yelling exactly where
we're talking about.

3321
03:03:53,300 --> 03:03:55,000
We know this is the Hill Cumorah
New York.

3322
03:03:56,500 --> 03:03:59,900
Says about a mile passed about
West, right?

3323
03:03:59,900 --> 03:04:02,700
Is another Ridge of less height
running parallel with the

3324
03:04:02,700 --> 03:04:06,700
farmer, leaving a beautiful veil
or Valley in between. the soil

3325
03:04:06,700 --> 03:04:09,600
of the First Quality for the
country and state of

3326
03:04:09,608 --> 03:04:12,700
cultivation, which gives a
prospect that once imposing when

3327
03:04:12,700 --> 03:04:16,600
one reflects on the fact, So now
this is you have to understand.

3328
03:04:16,600 --> 03:04:21,900
This is this is Oliver cowdery.
But Joe the Smith is is having

3329
03:04:21,900 --> 03:04:25,100
this stuff reprinted and
Republican everywhere, right?

3330
03:04:25,100 --> 03:04:28,600
According to Oliver cowdery, and
Joseph Smith is to fact that

3331
03:04:28,600 --> 03:04:33,200
here, between these two Hills,
the entire power and National

3332
03:04:33,200 --> 03:04:36,100
strength of both, the Jared ice
and the Nephites were destroyed.

3333
03:04:37,000 --> 03:04:43,000
Oh so so early on in church
history right?

3334
03:04:43,000 --> 03:04:48,600
I mean this is fairly early.
We have with Joseph's help.

3335
03:04:49,400 --> 03:04:53,400
Him calling out the spot.
Yeah, yeah.

3336
03:04:53,400 --> 03:04:57,800
And he goes on, check this out.
He says by turning to the 529

3337
03:04:57,800 --> 03:04:59,800
and 530 Pages.
The book mermaid, you have to

3338
03:04:59,800 --> 03:05:02,900
understand that the first
edition of The Book of Mormon

3339
03:05:02,900 --> 03:05:06,200
didn't have, you know, chapters
and brushes.

3340
03:05:06,200 --> 03:05:08,400
Yep.
So they had their own, they

3341
03:05:08,400 --> 03:05:11,100
could only reference a page,
right?

3342
03:05:11,100 --> 03:05:14,000
So this tells you, this is the
first version.

3343
03:05:14,000 --> 03:05:16,300
The first edition of the
Bookman, he's talking about.

3344
03:05:16,300 --> 03:05:19,400
It says, by turning into 500
29th at 5:30 Pages book merman,

3345
03:05:19,400 --> 03:05:23,000
you will read Mormons that came
out of the last great struggle

3346
03:05:23,000 --> 03:05:25,900
of his people, as they were
camped around about this.

3347
03:05:25,900 --> 03:05:31,000
He'll come Aura and this Valley
fella remaining strength and

3348
03:05:31,000 --> 03:05:32,700
pride of a.
Once powerful people, the

3349
03:05:32,700 --> 03:05:34,900
Nephites once so highly favoured
the Lord.

3350
03:05:34,900 --> 03:05:39,500
But at that time, in darkness,
in termination, by the hands of

3351
03:05:39,500 --> 03:05:42,500
their Barbers and civilized
Brethren says, from the top of

3352
03:05:42,500 --> 03:05:46,800
this hill, Mormon with a few
others, after the battle gays

3353
03:05:46,800 --> 03:05:49,900
with horror upon the mangled
remains of those who the day

3354
03:05:49,900 --> 03:05:52,200
before or filled with anxiety,
Hooper.

3355
03:05:52,300 --> 03:05:57,300
Out this hill by the jaredites
was called Rama by it, or around

3356
03:05:57,300 --> 03:05:59,800
it, pitched a famous Army of
parameter their tent.

3357
03:05:59,800 --> 03:06:02,800
The opposing Army were to the
west and the same Valley and

3358
03:06:02,800 --> 03:06:05,800
nearby.
I mean, holy cats.

3359
03:06:05,800 --> 03:06:09,900
How is it possible?
We could misunderstand this, he

3360
03:06:09,900 --> 03:06:13,200
says in this same spot and full
of the top of this same Hill,

3361
03:06:13,200 --> 03:06:16,600
one may gaze with astonishment
upon the ground which was twice

3362
03:06:16,600 --> 03:06:19,200
covered with the dead and of our
fellow man.

3363
03:06:19,200 --> 03:06:22,700
Wow.
See it's beyond doubt at that

3364
03:06:22,700 --> 03:06:25,700
point, right?
It should be game over.

3365
03:06:25,700 --> 03:06:30,500
Yeah, yeah.
Oliver cowdery said this thing

3366
03:06:30,500 --> 03:06:33,900
with Joseph Smith, this is the
reason why when people say that

3367
03:06:33,900 --> 03:06:36,900
Joseph Smith changes his mind
later on in his life.

3368
03:06:36,900 --> 03:06:41,000
If it was so important that we
have that that experience with

3369
03:06:41,000 --> 03:06:44,300
the with the the Indians that
came over from Kia can not do

3370
03:06:44,300 --> 03:06:48,200
does Smith, never changes mine,
he never altered his his view.

3371
03:06:48,200 --> 03:06:52,200
He was completely consistent
100% of the time that the

3372
03:06:52,208 --> 03:06:55,800
Bookworm and happened, right?
As he is saying right over the

3373
03:06:55,800 --> 03:06:58,300
countries saying right here,
this is the final Battlefield.

3374
03:06:58,300 --> 03:07:01,600
If the hill come out in New York
is the he'll more of the Book of

3375
03:07:01,600 --> 03:07:04,600
Mormon.
Then the mesoamerica theories

3376
03:07:04,600 --> 03:07:05,900
are dead.
Yep.

3377
03:07:06,600 --> 03:07:11,500
Yep.
Who it's just simply is as

3378
03:07:11,500 --> 03:07:14,000
simple as that unless you're
willing to call those early

3379
03:07:14,000 --> 03:07:18,000
guys, Joseph Smith now included.
Wrong, right?

3380
03:07:18,000 --> 03:07:21,600
And again, I get very nervous
when people start questioning

3381
03:07:21,600 --> 03:07:26,800
the, the dispensation head.
Of the restoration.

3382
03:07:26,800 --> 03:07:30,400
That's right.
So enough with the two corners

3383
03:07:30,400 --> 03:07:32,200
Theory, there's only one more is
in New York.

3384
03:07:36,900 --> 03:07:40,400
It's pretty good.
Somebody sent me, that was

3385
03:07:40,400 --> 03:07:41,400
pretty funny.
Yeah.

3386
03:07:41,400 --> 03:07:43,400
Anyway, but yeah, it really is
true.

3387
03:07:43,400 --> 03:07:47,800
I mean, it is time that we just
bury this two cameras Theory,

3388
03:07:47,800 --> 03:07:51,300
which is never mentioned in the
book is never been a part of

3389
03:07:51,300 --> 03:07:55,200
that and it's just crazy.
So this is that this is my good

3390
03:07:55,200 --> 03:07:58,800
friend Jonathan Neville that did
a lot of This research and this

3391
03:07:58,800 --> 03:08:00,800
is his hat.
He's got on his letter.

3392
03:08:00,800 --> 03:08:04,600
Seven more great again.
That's awesome.

3393
03:08:04,600 --> 03:08:11,900
Oh so that's a little political
just there.

3394
03:08:11,900 --> 03:08:14,600
Yep.
All right, so now so that what

3395
03:08:14,600 --> 03:08:18,100
we've established essentially is
a 10 geographic map.

3396
03:08:18,100 --> 03:08:19,800
Bankers we have the hill
tomorrow.

3397
03:08:19,800 --> 03:08:22,700
Number one in New York.
Number two, is there a Hamlet?

3398
03:08:23,200 --> 03:08:26,000
Which is section 125 in the
doctrine covenants, where the

3399
03:08:26,008 --> 03:08:28,000
Lord commanded Joseph Smith,
this Administration to the

3400
03:08:28,008 --> 03:08:31,000
lamanites, we talked about the
planes of the Nephites, and the

3401
03:08:31,008 --> 03:08:35,600
Rocky Mountains, and the CE East
in the Zelf, Revelations.

3402
03:08:36,300 --> 03:08:40,800
You have the new.
Um, being from the from ether

3403
03:08:40,800 --> 03:08:44,000
and, and the book environment
itself talking about the New

3404
03:08:44,000 --> 03:08:46,800
Jerusalem, and then you have Joe
Smith, receiving from the Lord,

3405
03:08:46,800 --> 03:08:48,500
exactly.
The New Jersey was going to be

3406
03:08:48,500 --> 03:08:52,600
located and we know where that
is and that number six, we know

3407
03:08:52,608 --> 03:08:56,200
where Adam and I was located
where Adam and the nephew fights

3408
03:08:56,200 --> 03:08:58,800
both left Alters there.
Yep, and we know that that's

3409
03:08:58,800 --> 03:09:04,900
where the where Adam gathered
his righteous posterity together

3410
03:09:04,900 --> 03:09:08,800
to give him the last busy.
The first missionaries were sent

3411
03:09:08,800 --> 03:09:11,600
to the number eight, there's
three number eights there.

3412
03:09:11,600 --> 03:09:14,900
And then we have we know that
happened backs, DNA, the links

3413
03:09:14,900 --> 03:09:18,000
everything to the, to the to the
Hebrews is number nine.

3414
03:09:19,400 --> 03:09:21,600
And we know that the promised
land is the United States of

3415
03:09:21,600 --> 03:09:26,200
America.
Oh, So, there's ten geographic

3416
03:09:26,200 --> 03:09:30,300
map, but we call anchors in to
the thing and the indications of

3417
03:09:30,300 --> 03:09:31,900
climate and weather in the Book
of Mormon.

3418
03:09:31,900 --> 03:09:34,600
Yeah, that's where I was going
to ask next.

3419
03:09:34,600 --> 03:09:39,800
What I went and whether yeah.
Because one of the biggest one,

3420
03:09:39,800 --> 03:09:43,600
probably one of the most
effective questions that have

3421
03:09:43,600 --> 03:09:47,600
caused people to question
whether or not The Bookworm and

3422
03:09:47,600 --> 03:09:49,700
happened in North.
America is the simple question.

3423
03:09:49,700 --> 03:09:53,300
Well, if the Book of Mormon
happened in North America, why

3424
03:09:53,300 --> 03:09:55,500
didn't they mention snow, right?
Yeah.

3425
03:09:57,000 --> 03:10:01,200
Yeah, that would be my question.
Yeah, yeah, I can't remember if

3426
03:10:01,200 --> 03:10:04,700
I take this out, but actually,
it does look around, actually

3427
03:10:04,700 --> 03:10:08,600
does mention snow in the book in
the book when attacked about

3428
03:10:08,608 --> 03:10:11,000
being like as white as the
driven snow.

3429
03:10:11,000 --> 03:10:13,500
But that was in a vision, right?
It was in the right tree of life

3430
03:10:13,500 --> 03:10:17,000
and so forth and as mentioned,
hail in the Book of Mormon, but

3431
03:10:17,000 --> 03:10:19,100
it doesn't ever mention snow
actually happening in the Book

3432
03:10:19,100 --> 03:10:22,300
of Mormon, but another
interesting factor is, is if the

3433
03:10:22,300 --> 03:10:26,200
Bookman happened down in Central
America, Wait, isn't it mention

3434
03:10:26,200 --> 03:10:28,200
rain?
Right.

3435
03:10:28,200 --> 03:10:30,300
Where is rain?
Benched?

3436
03:10:31,100 --> 03:10:33,800
Because you have a very wet
season and Central America, you

3437
03:10:33,800 --> 03:10:35,800
have the dry season the wet
season, you don't really have

3438
03:10:35,800 --> 03:10:41,200
seasons per se, right?
Like North America Yeah, where

3439
03:10:41,200 --> 03:10:42,900
everything goes dormant and so
forth.

3440
03:10:42,900 --> 03:10:44,400
Things.
Don't go dormant down essential

3441
03:10:44,400 --> 03:10:47,600
America because the weather's
always kind of nice, right?

3442
03:10:47,600 --> 03:10:50,600
You know.
So anyway, so what about climate

3443
03:10:50,600 --> 03:10:52,100
in the Book of Mormon?
Now, there's a difference

3444
03:10:52,100 --> 03:10:55,400
between weather and climate
weather is kind of what happens,

3445
03:10:55,400 --> 03:10:58,000
you know, in a localized area,
right?

3446
03:10:58,000 --> 03:11:00,600
What happens over a much broader
region.

3447
03:11:01,700 --> 03:11:05,800
Okay so um and we're going to
kind of tell you just a little

3448
03:11:05,808 --> 03:11:08,500
bit about that here and it's
just seconds too.

3449
03:11:08,500 --> 03:11:11,700
So for example this is an alma
chapter 46 and says there were

3450
03:11:11,708 --> 03:11:14,700
some who died with fevers which
at some seasons of the year were

3451
03:11:14,700 --> 03:11:16,800
very frequent in the land.
It says.

3452
03:11:16,800 --> 03:11:18,800
But the seasons was the nature
of the climate.

3453
03:11:20,100 --> 03:11:23,000
So, the nature of the climate of
the Book of Mormon was to have

3454
03:11:23,000 --> 03:11:27,600
seasons.
Okay, now you could say well

3455
03:11:27,600 --> 03:11:30,200
okay is it the wet season and
dry season so forth, that's

3456
03:11:30,200 --> 03:11:31,500
possibility.
Okay.

3457
03:11:31,500 --> 03:11:34,300
So it doesn't really say one way
or the other but it does talk

3458
03:11:34,300 --> 03:11:36,100
about, you know, plants and
animals and so forth.

3459
03:11:36,100 --> 03:11:39,100
And we're going to go jump into
that too for a second.

3460
03:11:39,100 --> 03:11:40,600
This is, this is gonna be a
pretty big guy.

3461
03:11:40,600 --> 03:11:44,000
So here's a couple of the times
when it does mentions snow in

3462
03:11:44,000 --> 03:11:46,800
the Book of Mormon, this is a
first name for chapter 11 verse.

3463
03:11:46,800 --> 03:11:49,900
8 says that she right?
This is the snow, and then on

3464
03:11:49,900 --> 03:11:53,100
the Hillman chapter 5, it says,
when all his hail and his mighty

3465
03:11:53,100 --> 03:11:55,200
storm shall beat upon, you shall
have no power over you.

3466
03:11:55,200 --> 03:11:59,800
So, it wouldn't make any sense,
though, for in first chapter 11,

3467
03:11:59,800 --> 03:12:04,000
verse 8 for Lehigh, who has this
vision of the tree of life,

3468
03:12:04,000 --> 03:12:05,100
right?
Right.

3469
03:12:08,000 --> 03:12:11,700
He's having his vision and he
talks about the the fruit was as

3470
03:12:11,700 --> 03:12:15,400
was so white, it exceeded the
whiteness of the driven snow.

3471
03:12:16,200 --> 03:12:17,700
What would be the point of
Lehigh?

3472
03:12:19,000 --> 03:12:21,600
Who and Lehigh was shown in
Vision.

3473
03:12:21,600 --> 03:12:24,500
His you know what was going to
happen with his people, right?

3474
03:12:24,500 --> 03:12:26,900
The Lord showed him Envision,
right?

3475
03:12:26,900 --> 03:12:29,600
And so he if he knew that they
were going to be going over to

3476
03:12:29,600 --> 03:12:33,600
Central America for example and
he wanted to describe something

3477
03:12:33,600 --> 03:12:35,200
was really white and Central
America.

3478
03:12:37,200 --> 03:12:40,000
And he knew that his posterity
was never going to really

3479
03:12:40,000 --> 03:12:42,800
experience snow.
And Central America.

3480
03:12:42,800 --> 03:12:45,200
Now that mountains the mountains
in Central America, do get snow

3481
03:12:45,200 --> 03:12:46,400
on the mountain, so it's
possible.

3482
03:12:46,400 --> 03:12:49,100
They could have, you know, but
but not in the general lowlands

3483
03:12:49,100 --> 03:12:53,200
where they take typically say
that, the city of the Bookman

3484
03:12:53,200 --> 03:12:57,900
happened, it doesn't snow there.
So why would he use a metaphor

3485
03:12:57,900 --> 03:13:01,900
of snow to describe how white
something is?

3486
03:13:01,900 --> 03:13:03,300
He could have described
something else?

3487
03:13:03,300 --> 03:13:05,900
You know, the rights at the sun
like that.

3488
03:13:05,900 --> 03:13:10,300
But instead he uses a snow Which
doesn't make any sense.

3489
03:13:10,300 --> 03:13:12,700
If he knew that his people were
never going to experience now,

3490
03:13:12,700 --> 03:13:15,900
they would have no idea no
reference point to what

3491
03:13:15,900 --> 03:13:20,100
whiteness is of driven snow and
not just driven snow.

3492
03:13:20,800 --> 03:13:23,700
Which is a whole other thing
that's that the fascinating.

3493
03:13:23,700 --> 03:13:25,800
When you talk about
meteorologists and so forth and

3494
03:13:25,800 --> 03:13:30,900
how how snow can be driven, it's
not just Flawless, no, but

3495
03:13:30,900 --> 03:13:34,800
driven snow basically.
It has a wind factor as well to

3496
03:13:34,800 --> 03:13:35,200
it.
Yeah.

3497
03:13:35,200 --> 03:13:38,900
And if you look at ice storms
and so forth up in the north,

3498
03:13:38,900 --> 03:13:41,300
you know, the Midwest and
probably the United States or

3499
03:13:41,300 --> 03:13:44,300
whatever.
I mean, you know, you can get a

3500
03:13:44,300 --> 03:13:45,300
better understand of what's
Driven.

3501
03:13:45,300 --> 03:13:50,600
The snow is like I'm talking
about, hey also in Alma chapter

3502
03:13:50,600 --> 03:13:53,100
49, they talked about having
very thick garments to cover

3503
03:13:53,100 --> 03:13:55,300
their nakedness.
If you lived down in Central

3504
03:13:55,300 --> 03:13:58,000
America what would be the point
of having really thick clothes.

3505
03:13:58,000 --> 03:13:59,700
I mean it's you know, it's
always nice.

3506
03:13:59,700 --> 03:14:03,800
You really don't have a reason
to have very thick clothing but

3507
03:14:03,800 --> 03:14:06,000
here we have a couple of
examples where they're dressed

3508
03:14:06,000 --> 03:14:09,000
and thick clothing.
People say, well, it's because

3509
03:14:09,000 --> 03:14:11,700
they're coming to to war, so
they're going to wear thicker

3510
03:14:11,700 --> 03:14:15,100
clothing, to go to war with.
And that's, that's a viable

3511
03:14:15,100 --> 03:14:17,100
argument.
The president is concerned.

3512
03:14:17,100 --> 03:14:20,200
But people say, well, what about
the times when they, when they

3513
03:14:20,200 --> 03:14:22,800
shut up and nothing but Annoying
cloth, right?

3514
03:14:22,800 --> 03:14:26,700
Right now, it's a good point.
Yeah.

3515
03:14:26,700 --> 03:14:31,400
And and so the point basically
is that is that it's interesting

3516
03:14:31,400 --> 03:14:35,200
to note that the Nephites
actually fell, it was noteworthy

3517
03:14:35,200 --> 03:14:40,100
that the lane I showed up enough
The middle-class, right?

3518
03:14:40,100 --> 03:14:42,800
That wasn't warm.
It was the exception.

3519
03:14:43,800 --> 03:14:47,700
But if we're in the loin cloth
was kind of the normal thing,

3520
03:14:47,700 --> 03:14:50,900
then why would they make a big
deal about the fact that the

3521
03:14:50,900 --> 03:14:52,700
lame right?
Showed up, but nothing but a

3522
03:14:52,700 --> 03:14:54,500
loin cloth on.
Yeah, okay.

3523
03:14:54,500 --> 03:14:57,800
I can see that.
So, so there's that part of it.

3524
03:14:57,800 --> 03:15:00,900
And then also here, we're ready,
tornadoes are Chris said, the

3525
03:15:00,900 --> 03:15:03,300
third Nephi that people are
carried away in the world wind.

3526
03:15:04,500 --> 03:15:07,800
Well, a whirlwind is the only
the only natural phenomena

3527
03:15:07,800 --> 03:15:09,900
weather phenomena actually carry
somebody away.

3528
03:15:09,900 --> 03:15:14,600
I mean right, hurricane can blow
people across The landscape.

3529
03:15:14,600 --> 03:15:17,000
But they gonna end up hitting
trees and so forth, right?

3530
03:15:17,000 --> 03:15:18,700
Because this just, you know,
there's so many trees

3531
03:15:18,700 --> 03:15:21,900
everywhere.
They don't really go pick up in

3532
03:15:21,900 --> 03:15:23,500
the not carry the way in the
world end.

3533
03:15:23,500 --> 03:15:28,700
It's give me and in a, in a
hurricane, right storm?

3534
03:15:28,700 --> 03:15:31,200
Doesn't happen either know.
It could be carried away in a

3535
03:15:31,200 --> 03:15:34,600
flood but it's specifically says
it was a world win which is, of

3536
03:15:34,600 --> 03:15:37,100
course, is clearly talking about
a tornado, right?

3537
03:15:37,100 --> 03:15:39,600
Yep.
Which I think actually argue

3538
03:15:39,600 --> 03:15:41,400
that that's not a tornado.
Then the talking about something

3539
03:15:41,400 --> 03:15:45,700
else but you know, yeah, I mean,
I come straight here, you know,

3540
03:15:45,708 --> 03:15:49,200
if it's a whirling wind, it's a,
it's a tornado that they're

3541
03:15:49,200 --> 03:15:51,500
talking about here and it was
powerful enough to carry people

3542
03:15:51,500 --> 03:15:56,800
away. interestingly enough
tornadoes in in Central America

3543
03:15:56,800 --> 03:16:01,500
or unknown They've never even
had a category 1 tornado

3544
03:16:01,500 --> 03:16:05,700
anywhere in Central America but
yet in the heartland of America

3545
03:16:05,700 --> 03:16:09,200
is called Tornado Alley, right?
Yep.

3546
03:16:09,200 --> 03:16:11,800
Yep.
And every every year there's no,

3547
03:16:11,800 --> 03:16:15,100
you know, what they call me not
magnitude.

3548
03:16:15,100 --> 03:16:18,700
But anyway, they they're
category ores and categories.

3549
03:16:18,700 --> 03:16:20,500
Five occasionally.
Yep.

3550
03:16:20,500 --> 03:16:22,500
Okay.
I think is the biggest that they

3551
03:16:22,508 --> 03:16:25,300
get to, but basically, but
that's in the Great Plains,

3552
03:16:25,300 --> 03:16:29,100
basically it's all over the.
The central part of the United

3553
03:16:29,100 --> 03:16:32,000
States.
Yeah, they don't just the mound.

3554
03:16:32,000 --> 03:16:33,600
Builders.
What about the what about the

3555
03:16:33,600 --> 03:16:38,500
the number of people here?
You know this these are sights.

3556
03:16:38,500 --> 03:16:44,800
This is from the Cyrus Thomas
map of the ancient locations of

3557
03:16:44,800 --> 03:16:48,200
people's here in the heartland
of America.

3558
03:16:48,200 --> 03:16:51,500
At the Mississippi River Valley
basically getting going down on

3559
03:16:51,500 --> 03:16:54,200
the left side there and going up
the Ohio, going up, the upper

3560
03:16:54,200 --> 03:16:56,600
right.
And you see every Red Dot is a

3561
03:16:56,608 --> 03:16:58,500
location of the new about this
point in time.

3562
03:16:58,500 --> 03:17:02,800
Now, this was actually in the
book, excuse me, it was done by

3563
03:17:02,800 --> 03:17:06,500
Cyrus Thomas in the Smithsonian,
back in the 1800s, the late

3564
03:17:06,508 --> 03:17:11,600
1800s and and they show, I think
it's 180,000 sites.

3565
03:17:15,100 --> 03:17:19,300
To 180,000 sites, right?
But let me get, let me let me

3566
03:17:19,300 --> 03:17:21,600
update that, that was back in
the 1800s.

3567
03:17:21,600 --> 03:17:23,700
There's a new book.
This book that you see on the

3568
03:17:23,708 --> 03:17:27,400
left here, right now, right?
In the cyclopedia Native

3569
03:17:27,400 --> 03:17:31,200
American, mounds and Earthworks
by Gregory little, and exactly a

3570
03:17:31,200 --> 03:17:33,800
whole slew of other people who
are involved with this.

3571
03:17:33,800 --> 03:17:36,800
But this project, right?
It's a big thick book, it's

3572
03:17:36,800 --> 03:17:39,800
probably a good.
I mean, I've got a copy of our I

3573
03:17:39,800 --> 03:17:41,500
could go bring it.
It's probably a good, you know,

3574
03:17:41,500 --> 03:17:44,700
like like that thick as far as
the book itself is concerned

3575
03:17:44,700 --> 03:17:47,200
about 450 500 pages.
I think it is.

3576
03:17:48,200 --> 03:17:51,800
And on page three of his book,
he says he has the question.

3577
03:17:51,800 --> 03:17:54,200
How many miles are there?
He said, the most common

3578
03:17:54,200 --> 03:17:57,000
question that is asked about the
mounts of the mound.

3579
03:17:57,000 --> 03:18:01,400
Builders is how many these exist
in the 1800s is Smithsonian

3580
03:18:01,400 --> 03:18:04,800
sponsored, many expeditions to
identify Mouse's Across America

3581
03:18:04,800 --> 03:18:08,900
Map was published by Sarah,
Thomas, and 1894 and a bureau of

3582
03:18:08,908 --> 03:18:12,100
ethnology book.
They found approximately 100,000

3583
03:18:12,100 --> 03:18:15,700
miles.
But the figure of 100,000

3584
03:18:15,700 --> 03:18:17,700
Mounds.
Once existing based on the Cyrus

3585
03:18:17,700 --> 03:18:21,800
Thomas Maple Valley 100,000
sites is often cited by others.

3586
03:18:21,800 --> 03:18:25,000
But that estimate is far, far
too low.

3587
03:18:25,000 --> 03:18:30,400
Oh, my wasn't the 1894 right
right now.

3588
03:18:30,400 --> 03:18:33,400
So how many how many, how many
miles is he think that there is

3589
03:18:33,400 --> 03:18:36,000
here?
It says after visiting several

3590
03:18:36,000 --> 03:18:39,800
thousand miles and reviewing the
literature, I am fairly certain

3591
03:18:39,800 --> 03:18:44,200
that over 1 million Mounds once
existed and perhaps 100,000

3592
03:18:44,200 --> 03:18:46,400
still exist.
Wholly.

3593
03:18:46,400 --> 03:18:49,400
Now, this is not just Mouse.
This is actually Mound sites.

3594
03:18:49,400 --> 03:18:53,600
Many of these sites have between
three and up to 15 or 20 Mounds.

3595
03:18:53,600 --> 03:18:58,600
Holy talked about two or three
million mounds and yet somehow,

3596
03:18:58,600 --> 03:19:00,600
the archaeological community of
the United States.

3597
03:19:00,600 --> 03:19:06,300
Basically continues to try to
make this absurd idea that all

3598
03:19:06,300 --> 03:19:10,900
of these million plus sites with
over two or three million Mounds

3599
03:19:10,900 --> 03:19:14,600
in them were made by just a few,
small groups of hunter-gatherers

3600
03:19:14,600 --> 03:19:19,400
just hanging out.
Gathering berries and nuts.

3601
03:19:20,900 --> 03:19:22,800
In.
Here's the problem with that,

3602
03:19:22,800 --> 03:19:26,300
right?
Is that a hunter-gatherer

3603
03:19:26,300 --> 03:19:31,900
lifestyle does not give you the
time or the resources to be able

3604
03:19:31,900 --> 03:19:35,200
to create Much of anything,
right?

3605
03:19:35,200 --> 03:19:40,500
We know that from from the
tribes that were here in America

3606
03:19:40,500 --> 03:19:44,800
that were in existence during
European contact.

3607
03:19:46,800 --> 03:19:52,800
Even even the societies.
Like the man, Dan those who

3608
03:19:52,800 --> 03:19:58,100
lived in Huts they were, they
weren't just hunter-gatherers,

3609
03:19:58,100 --> 03:20:00,900
right?
They were a social they were an

3610
03:20:00,900 --> 03:20:03,200
organized social structure,
right?

3611
03:20:03,200 --> 03:20:06,900
And so, unless you have an
organized social structure, you

3612
03:20:06,900 --> 03:20:11,700
do not have the resources or
time necessary to create any

3613
03:20:11,700 --> 03:20:15,000
sort of Earthworks, right?
Because it and the other thing

3614
03:20:15,000 --> 03:20:18,400
is and, and this is something I
didn't realize until I got to

3615
03:20:18,400 --> 03:20:21,500
see one up close.
These are not small features,

3616
03:20:21,500 --> 03:20:24,200
right?
These are not like six by six

3617
03:20:24,200 --> 03:20:26,100
mounts.
These are good size.

3618
03:20:27,400 --> 03:20:31,400
You know, mounts and you it
takes man hours to get that

3619
03:20:31,400 --> 03:20:33,000
done.
Yeah.

3620
03:20:33,800 --> 03:20:36,600
I mean, in fact that we had the
head architect at the state of

3621
03:20:36,600 --> 03:20:42,000
Ohio, Actually, when we filmed
the last civilization of North

3622
03:20:42,000 --> 03:20:45,200
America documentary, he actually
said that the amount of Labor

3623
03:20:45,200 --> 03:20:47,300
that was required to build the
Mounds at the mound.

3624
03:20:47,300 --> 03:20:49,800
Builders built could be could be
easily.

3625
03:20:51,700 --> 03:20:56,200
As big as big as or more than
that labor, that was required to

3626
03:20:56,200 --> 03:21:00,200
build the Great Pyramids of Giza
in Egypt or the Great Wall of

3627
03:21:00,200 --> 03:21:03,800
China, right?
He said that the amount of

3628
03:21:03,800 --> 03:21:09,100
physical labor that was required
is is really second to none.

3629
03:21:09,800 --> 03:21:13,800
To build over the these over a
million Mounds, they're talking

3630
03:21:13,800 --> 03:21:15,100
about here.
Wow.

3631
03:21:15,100 --> 03:21:17,400
Now, the kind of continue on,
with the Buffalo.

3632
03:21:17,400 --> 03:21:20,600
Basically, it could the Buffalo
would be a witness at the Book

3633
03:21:20,600 --> 03:21:23,000
of Mormon talked about plants
and animals in the Book of

3634
03:21:23,000 --> 03:21:26,900
Mormon and here in Enos.
Now this is an es.

3635
03:21:26,900 --> 03:21:29,600
So by this time the lamanites
have gotten to be a pretty big

3636
03:21:29,600 --> 03:21:33,600
you know population, right.
There's that a lot of people

3637
03:21:33,600 --> 03:21:35,800
here.
This is a moving, you know, a

3638
03:21:35,800 --> 03:21:38,700
lot of people around and
bookmarks says that they became

3639
03:21:38,700 --> 03:21:41,600
a wild to talk about the lane
and I hear it became a while and

3640
03:21:41,600 --> 03:21:44,800
a ferocious and a bloodthirsty
people full of my tree and

3641
03:21:44,800 --> 03:21:47,700
filthiness being upon Beast of
prey and dwelling intense and

3642
03:21:47,700 --> 03:21:49,500
wandering around in the
wilderness with a short skin

3643
03:21:49,500 --> 03:21:51,800
girl about their lawns, their
heads are shaving their skills

3644
03:21:51,800 --> 03:21:53,300
at the bow, in the cemetery in
the accident.

3645
03:21:53,300 --> 03:21:55,400
Many of them did nothing but
what was wrong meat.

3646
03:21:55,400 --> 03:21:58,900
If you break that down for just
a second there, feeding Prime

3647
03:21:58,900 --> 03:22:02,300
beast of great dwelling intense
wandering around in the

3648
03:22:02,308 --> 03:22:05,500
wilderness.
Okay, and they did eat nothing

3649
03:22:05,500 --> 03:22:09,400
but it was but Rob meat.
Let me ask a question, Dave.

3650
03:22:10,400 --> 03:22:17,300
If you are that say 100,000 or
even 50,000, you know, lame and

3651
03:22:17,300 --> 03:22:21,300
I's and everybody's eating
nothing but raw meat and you and

3652
03:22:21,300 --> 03:22:24,400
you're down in Central America.
What are you eating?

3653
03:22:26,900 --> 03:22:29,800
Because yeah.
The biggest animal they have

3654
03:22:29,808 --> 03:22:32,600
down there is a taper.
Yeah it appear.

3655
03:22:32,600 --> 03:22:38,200
And it appear basically is like
a pig, which number one Hebrew

3656
03:22:38,200 --> 03:22:40,300
people.
They're living the laws of Moses

3657
03:22:40,300 --> 03:22:43,400
wouldn't even touch it, much
less eat it because it's an

3658
03:22:43,400 --> 03:22:46,300
unclean animal, if in the pig
family, right?

3659
03:22:47,400 --> 03:22:49,700
And then I mean that's a lot of
monkeys.

3660
03:22:49,700 --> 03:22:52,700
Oh, by the way but monkeys are
never mentioned in the Book of

3661
03:22:52,700 --> 03:22:55,800
Mormon.
Neither one is iguana is a

3662
03:22:55,808 --> 03:22:57,600
reptiles, you wouldn't need them
either.

3663
03:22:57,600 --> 03:23:01,800
So they're they're literally is
nothing in Central America.

3664
03:23:01,800 --> 03:23:05,900
That could support a population
of people who are living on

3665
03:23:05,900 --> 03:23:08,200
nothing but raw meat.
Right.

3666
03:23:08,200 --> 03:23:12,000
But nevertheless here, in North
America, let me ask you how well

3667
03:23:12,000 --> 03:23:13,900
does this describe the Plains
Indians?

3668
03:23:15,100 --> 03:23:21,100
Very dwelling, intense, also
known as teepees wandering about

3669
03:23:21,100 --> 03:23:22,900
the Wilderness.
They were following, the course

3670
03:23:22,900 --> 03:23:26,800
of the Beast, following the
migratory patterns of these

3671
03:23:26,800 --> 03:23:30,600
animals and and nothing but
Romney.

3672
03:23:30,600 --> 03:23:33,700
I thought well, Romney's kind of
discussing thing, I mean gosh,

3673
03:23:33,700 --> 03:23:35,600
where they go up there and it
kills something to go up and

3674
03:23:35,600 --> 03:23:39,600
start nine on the, you know,
there's still quivering the

3675
03:23:39,600 --> 03:23:46,400
animal know How did the planes?
Indians prepare their food.

3676
03:23:47,300 --> 03:23:50,500
They dried, it didn't they?
They dried it in the wind,

3677
03:23:50,500 --> 03:23:52,200
right?
It was cooked.

3678
03:23:52,900 --> 03:23:55,700
If it's not cooked, that means
it's technically still raw,

3679
03:23:55,700 --> 03:23:56,600
right?
Right.

3680
03:23:56,600 --> 03:24:00,600
It's called jerky, right?
They're eating jerky.

3681
03:24:00,600 --> 03:24:02,000
Yeah.
Okay.

3682
03:24:02,900 --> 03:24:06,800
I can see.
Yeah, so here we have but if

3683
03:24:06,800 --> 03:24:11,500
you've got You know, 50,000 or
100,000 people and jerky.

3684
03:24:11,500 --> 03:24:14,200
You gotta have a lot of animals.
Yep.

3685
03:24:14,200 --> 03:24:16,200
And they need to be big animals.
Yep.

3686
03:24:16,200 --> 03:24:19,700
And 1800 pounds bull.
Buffalo can feed a lot of

3687
03:24:19,700 --> 03:24:20,700
people.
Yeah.

3688
03:24:20,700 --> 03:24:23,900
And according to the estimates,
they're between 30 and 60

3689
03:24:23,900 --> 03:24:26,400
million buffalo on the plane is
back in the 1800s.

3690
03:24:26,400 --> 03:24:28,600
Oh yeah.
Probably could have been less

3691
03:24:28,600 --> 03:24:31,300
than that earlier on.
But basically you're still have

3692
03:24:31,300 --> 03:24:33,800
millions upon millions of
animals and all you have to do

3693
03:24:33,800 --> 03:24:38,300
is basically follow the course
of the Beast which actually

3694
03:24:38,300 --> 03:24:39,800
talks about the dirt ice, we're
doing.

3695
03:24:39,800 --> 03:24:41,300
They were following the course
of the Beast.

3696
03:24:41,300 --> 03:24:46,300
Devourer the Bowery the animals
that fell by the way, right?

3697
03:24:46,300 --> 03:24:49,500
Right.
And then just another thing, so

3698
03:24:49,500 --> 03:24:52,100
yeah, but when they talked
about, you know, look at Captain

3699
03:24:52,100 --> 03:24:56,400
Moroni and the when he built
fortifications, they built a

3700
03:24:56,400 --> 03:25:03,500
ditch on the outside and then a
mound on the inside of it.

3701
03:25:03,508 --> 03:25:06,200
And then on top of that
mountain, they would put you

3702
03:25:06,200 --> 03:25:09,500
know, Palisade of Timbers And so
forth, they would create this,

3703
03:25:09,500 --> 03:25:12,400
this, this, this this wall of
Timbers around on the outside.

3704
03:25:12,400 --> 03:25:16,500
That's exactly what we find in
the this is eg squares in 1848

3705
03:25:16,500 --> 03:25:19,600
and the in his book on the
right.

3706
03:25:20,600 --> 03:25:25,600
I've the Western New York.
Yeah, but an original copy of

3707
03:25:25,608 --> 03:25:29,300
that book.
It's just fascinating hopeful

3708
03:25:29,300 --> 03:25:31,800
defenses.
These are now this is actually

3709
03:25:31,800 --> 03:25:35,000
not a defensive fortification
but this is actually in Newark

3710
03:25:35,000 --> 03:25:37,500
Ohio.
But, but look at this, he says,

3711
03:25:37,508 --> 03:25:41,000
in Alma chapter, 49 says, now,
behold the name of knights could

3712
03:25:41,000 --> 03:25:43,200
not get into their forts of
security by any other way,

3713
03:25:43,200 --> 03:25:46,200
except for the entrance because
of the highness of the bank,

3714
03:25:46,200 --> 03:25:48,900
which have been thrown up and
the depth of the ditch which

3715
03:25:48,900 --> 03:25:51,200
have been dug around about see
if it were by the entrance.

3716
03:25:52,200 --> 03:25:54,000
This is a place of entrance in
the great circle.

3717
03:25:54,000 --> 03:25:57,500
In Newark Ohio, this was not a
defensive place is a ceremonial

3718
03:25:57,500 --> 03:25:58,900
place but look at the ditch
there.

3719
03:25:58,900 --> 03:26:00,800
I'm standing in the Bible six
foot four.

3720
03:26:01,800 --> 03:26:05,900
And that, by the way, the bottom
of this, they found is actually

3721
03:26:05,900 --> 03:26:09,800
about six feet below where I'm
standing right there.

3722
03:26:09,800 --> 03:26:12,900
Because right, of course, if
Hundreds of years.

3723
03:26:12,900 --> 03:26:19,700
But yeah here actually this out
they found out that it was lined

3724
03:26:19,700 --> 03:26:23,800
by limestone's.
Holy I wish we had about four

3725
03:26:23,800 --> 03:26:26,600
hours to spend on this whole
thing that I mean I mean this

3726
03:26:26,608 --> 03:26:28,700
just just this one earthwork
right here.

3727
03:26:29,600 --> 03:26:32,500
When I take people on the tours
and actually let them see the

3728
03:26:32,500 --> 03:26:34,200
Earth.
Banks is still there exists

3729
03:26:34,200 --> 03:26:38,400
after 2000 years.
And this earthquake is really

3730
03:26:38,400 --> 03:26:42,900
special though, Dave because
this one is the earthquake is

3731
03:26:42,900 --> 03:26:46,200
its today.
Even today it is the largest

3732
03:26:46,200 --> 03:26:48,800
temple complex on the face of
the Earth.

3733
03:26:49,500 --> 03:26:53,800
For where Miles and extends.
So you talk about two miles by

3734
03:26:53,800 --> 03:26:56,800
two miles.
That's how big this giant

3735
03:26:56,800 --> 03:26:59,800
complex.
Is this Temple complex, don't

3736
03:26:59,800 --> 03:27:02,200
get Temple complex.
I'm gonna explain that.

3737
03:27:02,200 --> 03:27:05,900
Just a minute, But this is the
new records that they may have

3738
03:27:05,900 --> 03:27:09,800
appeared at about 8200.
This is actually from The

3739
03:27:09,800 --> 03:27:12,100
Visitor Center.
This is the mural on the wall of

3740
03:27:12,100 --> 03:27:16,200
the visitor center there.
And talking about this this

3741
03:27:16,200 --> 03:27:20,000
earthquake, but you see the
great big circle is octagon on

3742
03:27:20,000 --> 03:27:22,200
the distance.
There's another, there's another

3743
03:27:22,200 --> 03:27:25,100
there's a square and there's
another octagon up there.

3744
03:27:25,100 --> 03:27:32,000
This is actually A satellite
view of the great octagonal

3745
03:27:32,000 --> 03:27:33,800
portion of it.
So if you see up in the upper

3746
03:27:33,800 --> 03:27:38,900
left-hand corner, you see, this
is a, this is a David Wright.

3747
03:27:38,900 --> 03:27:43,900
He was the town surveyor for
Newark Ohio at the time and he

3748
03:27:43,900 --> 03:27:47,100
did this, he did this survey and
it was actually been served a

3749
03:27:47,100 --> 03:27:48,900
couple different times back in
the 1800s.

3750
03:27:49,700 --> 03:27:52,900
But this is the, the octagonal
portion of that, this is that

3751
03:27:52,900 --> 03:27:56,300
little part, just the octagonal
portion of that is an 18-hole

3752
03:27:56,300 --> 03:28:01,200
golf course today.
Oh, and that's just a little

3753
03:28:01,200 --> 03:28:05,100
part of that up in the upper
left-hand corner of it and you

3754
03:28:05,100 --> 03:28:10,700
have the other stuff there.
They found out that there's guy

3755
03:28:10,700 --> 03:28:15,100
by the name of a Hively and Horn
to guys from Earlham college.

3756
03:28:15,100 --> 03:28:18,400
And they, they wanted to
actually prove that you could

3757
03:28:18,400 --> 03:28:23,600
you could kind of make a claim
that any site is a is aligned to

3758
03:28:23,600 --> 03:28:28,500
the Sun or something like that.
Yeah because you can kind of

3759
03:28:28,508 --> 03:28:32,600
find something that would align
to you know some some place on

3760
03:28:32,600 --> 03:28:36,000
the horizon.
Basically what I'm down so they

3761
03:28:36,000 --> 03:28:39,600
are actually was doing this is
kind of a cynical thing.

3762
03:28:39,600 --> 03:28:43,200
They said you could kind of any
site as astronomically Alliance

3763
03:28:43,200 --> 03:28:47,600
sign You know, or sight?
So they actually went out there

3764
03:28:47,608 --> 03:28:50,500
to check it out and it couldn't
find a single solitary.

3765
03:28:50,500 --> 03:28:55,300
So what alignment out on the
horizon to any of these in

3766
03:28:55,300 --> 03:28:58,100
syteline of the structure?
And go.

3767
03:28:58,100 --> 03:29:01,100
What the heck?
Anyway, so they finally they had

3768
03:29:01,100 --> 03:29:03,200
somebody else to say, well what
have you checked it for the

3769
03:29:03,200 --> 03:29:05,400
Moon?
And when they checked it for the

3770
03:29:05,408 --> 03:29:11,600
Moon, it turns out that this the
gigantic complex here, has the

3771
03:29:11,600 --> 03:29:15,000
rise and set points of the Moon
and its entire 18 and a half

3772
03:29:15,000 --> 03:29:17,200
year lunar cycle.
Really.

3773
03:29:17,200 --> 03:29:22,000
It has alignment for everyone
that the minimum, a maximum rise

3774
03:29:22,000 --> 03:29:25,300
and set points of the Moon over
its entire 18 and a half of your

3775
03:29:25,300 --> 03:29:26,400
lunar cycle.
It is this.

3776
03:29:26,400 --> 03:29:31,200
They were astonished by the the
achievement of this thing.

3777
03:29:31,200 --> 03:29:34,700
This thing is as big as a golf
course and they basically make

3778
03:29:34,700 --> 03:29:38,900
it so that all of the you can
see the main lines there.

3779
03:29:38,900 --> 03:29:41,600
The minimum and maximum northern
and southern moon.

3780
03:29:41,600 --> 03:29:46,200
Rise and moon set points are all
have a alignments in this

3781
03:29:46,200 --> 03:29:49,900
gigantic structure.
But it gets even better than

3782
03:29:49,900 --> 03:29:52,200
that.
So this is the great circle

3783
03:29:52,200 --> 03:29:54,600
portion of it.
You see the house is over on the

3784
03:29:54,600 --> 03:29:57,200
left hand side?
Yeah, those are homes just for

3785
03:29:57,200 --> 03:29:58,800
scale.
Wow.

3786
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:02,800
Okay, this thing is just massive
at.

3787
03:30:02,800 --> 03:30:04,800
This is an interesting one
because the ditch is on the

3788
03:30:04,800 --> 03:30:08,400
inside and on the outside its
opposite of what has been

3789
03:30:08,408 --> 03:30:11,600
described at the Book of Mormon
by Captain Moroni because this

3790
03:30:11,600 --> 03:30:15,600
was not a fortification.
This was a ceremonial Center.

3791
03:30:15,600 --> 03:30:17,700
Yeah.
Yep.

3792
03:30:17,700 --> 03:30:21,500
Okay yep.
And it turns out, and again, if

3793
03:30:21,500 --> 03:30:24,700
I had, if I had about four or
five more hours to spend on just

3794
03:30:24,700 --> 03:30:28,000
this one site right here we
would, I would it would just

3795
03:30:28,008 --> 03:30:31,700
blow your your people away
because this basically, you

3796
03:30:31,700 --> 03:30:34,900
know, we had Native Americans.
For example, that said that this

3797
03:30:34,900 --> 03:30:41,300
this site is a very sacred site.
And the, the ditch used to be

3798
03:30:41,300 --> 03:30:46,600
originally was full of water.
So, what you basically have

3799
03:30:46,600 --> 03:30:48,100
remember when Christ was with
Nicodemus.

3800
03:30:48,100 --> 03:30:50,500
Yep.
And Nicodemus, asked Christ, he

3801
03:30:50,500 --> 03:30:54,400
says crisis the Nicodemus.
Unless a man be born again, you

3802
03:30:54,400 --> 03:30:57,700
cannot, and the kingdom of
heaven Nicodemus is answer was,

3803
03:30:57,700 --> 03:31:00,200
how can men enter again into the
womb?

3804
03:31:00,200 --> 03:31:02,600
How was it even possible?
Right, right?

3805
03:31:02,600 --> 03:31:05,800
Well, this particular case, this
is a this this is a

3806
03:31:05,808 --> 03:31:11,000
representation of a fluid.
Yep, there's one opening

3807
03:31:11,000 --> 03:31:14,000
actually looks a lot like a
cervix surprisingly.

3808
03:31:15,000 --> 03:31:20,500
Upon the facing the East okay.
You can see the museum is just

3809
03:31:20,500 --> 03:31:22,300
on the very edge of the image
here.

3810
03:31:22,300 --> 03:31:25,100
Just a portion of the the Museum
of a sitting there.

3811
03:31:25,108 --> 03:31:28,800
You see the parking lot, just
below that on the right hand

3812
03:31:28,800 --> 03:31:31,900
side.
But then this is massive thing,

3813
03:31:31,900 --> 03:31:35,500
they have, it was it was lined
with limestones and they, and

3814
03:31:35,500 --> 03:31:38,200
they did that specifically so it
would hold water.

3815
03:31:40,000 --> 03:31:42,700
Holy cow.
So when you go into, when you go

3816
03:31:42,700 --> 03:31:46,000
into this, there was a big, they
call Eagle Mountain but it's

3817
03:31:46,000 --> 03:31:48,000
actually like a longhouse setup.
They actually did.

3818
03:31:48,000 --> 03:31:50,900
I archaeological work on this
back in the 1980s?

3819
03:31:51,700 --> 03:31:54,900
They found it was a long
rectangular structure that had

3820
03:31:54,900 --> 03:31:59,300
three chambers within it and
they found again don't have time

3821
03:31:59,300 --> 03:32:01,000
to go into details of what they
found in there.

3822
03:32:01,008 --> 03:32:04,700
But one one of the chambers was
actually had a ring of white

3823
03:32:04,700 --> 03:32:07,900
stones.
And it was filled with about two

3824
03:32:07,900 --> 03:32:11,600
inches of pure white sand and
the white stones came from

3825
03:32:11,600 --> 03:32:14,600
Tennessee and the white sand
came from Florida.

3826
03:32:15,700 --> 03:32:20,000
Holy cow.
They hold it up there to Ohio to

3827
03:32:20,000 --> 03:32:25,300
build this massive structure.
There's just hunter-gatherers it

3828
03:32:25,300 --> 03:32:31,100
just it can't Society with some
Echoes.

3829
03:32:31,100 --> 03:32:34,000
That should be very familiar to
us as Mormons.

3830
03:32:34,700 --> 03:32:36,900
Well, and this is where it's
going to get even more

3831
03:32:36,900 --> 03:32:39,100
incredible here for just a
second.

3832
03:32:39,108 --> 03:32:42,300
So we had that, so Wayne May and
I were taking people out to see

3833
03:32:42,308 --> 03:32:45,400
this site for years.
This is a Newark, Ohio is still

3834
03:32:45,400 --> 03:32:47,700
there, right?
Right now, not all of the site

3835
03:32:47,700 --> 03:32:48,900
is still there.
A lot of it's been, you know,

3836
03:32:48,908 --> 03:32:52,100
paved over and housing
developments and so forth over

3837
03:32:52,100 --> 03:32:53,600
it.
But the great octagon, the great

3838
03:32:53,600 --> 03:32:55,000
circle portion of, it are still
there.

3839
03:32:55,000 --> 03:32:58,000
You can go and visit.
So it has this Eagle Mountain in

3840
03:32:58,000 --> 03:33:00,400
the middle of it.
When you when you go to Eagle

3841
03:33:00,400 --> 03:33:02,200
Mound.
Basically if you do some

3842
03:33:02,200 --> 03:33:05,100
ceremonial things there, okay,
let's just say that, you're

3843
03:33:05,100 --> 03:33:08,500
let's say you were doing and
downman session, for example, or

3844
03:33:08,500 --> 03:33:12,900
something like that, right?
Or or maybe crisis, just

3845
03:33:12,900 --> 03:33:15,200
teaching you about the creation,
right?

3846
03:33:15,200 --> 03:33:19,400
The existence and so forth.
So you go out there, you do some

3847
03:33:19,400 --> 03:33:22,900
ordinances and so forth, when
you would leave, you would leave

3848
03:33:22,900 --> 03:33:27,100
off to the right hand side, go
out the East entrance.

3849
03:33:28,600 --> 03:33:32,400
And there and and thereby, you
are symbolically being your

3850
03:33:32,400 --> 03:33:36,300
leaving, the womb, if you will.
You're being born again?

3851
03:33:36,300 --> 03:33:41,400
Yep.
So you have that now, let me

3852
03:33:41,408 --> 03:33:43,600
see.
So I want to see what's up.

3853
03:33:43,600 --> 03:33:46,600
Okay, so yeah, so I need to kind
of just follow up with this.

3854
03:33:46,600 --> 03:33:51,100
So this this is an overall, this
is the the Smithsonian when they

3855
03:33:51,100 --> 03:33:57,500
came out and they did the the
surveys on this on this 2000

3856
03:33:57,500 --> 03:34:01,800
year old complex.
So it's a dates right into the

3857
03:34:01,800 --> 03:34:05,200
Book of Mormon time frames
basically that we think that

3858
03:34:05,200 --> 03:34:10,100
possibly the jaredites may have
originally built it and then the

3859
03:34:10,100 --> 03:34:12,500
Nephites came in and actually
kind of alternate, it kind of

3860
03:34:12,500 --> 03:34:16,000
remodeled it so to speak.
Gotcha, there's so much.

3861
03:34:16,008 --> 03:34:17,900
Oh my gosh.
I mean, we could, we could go

3862
03:34:17,908 --> 03:34:19,600
for literally hours on this
thing.

3863
03:34:19,600 --> 03:34:21,800
I'll tell you what.
You have four hours?

3864
03:34:21,800 --> 03:34:26,400
You let me know.
I will make time because it's I

3865
03:34:26,400 --> 03:34:27,600
dig on this.
Yeah.

3866
03:34:27,600 --> 03:34:31,400
The only time I go into this
kind of detail, I'm gonna have

3867
03:34:31,400 --> 03:34:33,500
time to go into this kind of
details when we're actually on

3868
03:34:33,500 --> 03:34:35,900
their tours when we're actually
standing out there at the site

3869
03:34:35,900 --> 03:34:39,100
where I can point to things.
And show you this and show you

3870
03:34:39,100 --> 03:34:40,000
that and so forth.
That's really.

3871
03:34:40,008 --> 03:34:43,200
If you ever get a chance to come
with me on a tour, Dave that

3872
03:34:43,200 --> 03:34:45,600
would be, it would be
phenomenal, we'd love it.

3873
03:34:45,600 --> 03:34:48,300
We may, we may have to talk
later and I may have to just

3874
03:34:48,300 --> 03:34:52,400
book a tour.
You know, I pay you and and

3875
03:34:52,400 --> 03:34:56,500
bring my people out to see this
because this is something that

3876
03:34:56,500 --> 03:34:58,700
we need to look at this is this
is fascinating.

3877
03:34:58,700 --> 03:35:01,600
Let me show you this though
because it's so.

3878
03:35:01,600 --> 03:35:04,100
So when I were taking people out
there for several years, right?

3879
03:35:04,100 --> 03:35:10,100
We have this lady came out who's
a Jewish symbolism expert.

3880
03:35:10,100 --> 03:35:11,900
And she started looking at this
thing.

3881
03:35:11,900 --> 03:35:14,200
She said, oh, okay.
Now a couple things that so when

3882
03:35:14,200 --> 03:35:17,100
it comes down to geometric
features, you know a circle is

3883
03:35:17,100 --> 03:35:21,200
representation of eternal life
eternity forever, those kinds of

3884
03:35:21,208 --> 03:35:24,200
Concepts right, right.
But a square on the other hand,

3885
03:35:24,200 --> 03:35:27,400
or a rectangle has four corners
talks about the scriptures, the

3886
03:35:27,400 --> 03:35:28,900
four corners of the Earth,
right?

3887
03:35:28,900 --> 03:35:31,100
Right.
He says that's a representation

3888
03:35:31,100 --> 03:35:34,500
of the Earth.
Okay, so this Earth life is what

3889
03:35:34,500 --> 03:35:37,000
it's talking about when the,
when you have representation

3890
03:35:37,000 --> 03:35:40,300
with, with four corners with the
rectangular or whatever an

3891
03:35:40,300 --> 03:35:43,700
octagon, on the other hand, is
a, is an intermediary.

3892
03:35:43,700 --> 03:35:46,900
It is the perfect geometric
configuration between a circle

3893
03:35:46,908 --> 03:35:49,400
and a square.
So if you have a circle over

3894
03:35:49,400 --> 03:35:53,900
here and a square over here, an
octagon is the intermediate

3895
03:35:53,900 --> 03:35:56,000
right?
Metric configuration, right.

3896
03:35:56,000 --> 03:35:58,300
Yep.
Interestingly enough the Octagon

3897
03:35:58,300 --> 03:36:02,200
is also happens to be the
beginning the the primary

3898
03:36:02,200 --> 03:36:06,100
geometric configuration of the
what they call the the Seal of

3899
03:36:06,100 --> 03:36:07,900
Melchizedek.
Yep.

3900
03:36:07,900 --> 03:36:09,300
You ever heard the Seal of
Malcolm?

3901
03:36:09,300 --> 03:36:10,000
I know.
Yep.

3902
03:36:10,000 --> 03:36:11,200
Yep.
Okay.

3903
03:36:11,200 --> 03:36:13,300
Yep.
Okay.

3904
03:36:13,300 --> 03:36:16,500
And of course, the Seal of
Melchizedek is really the Seal

3905
03:36:16,500 --> 03:36:20,600
of Christ because the original,
the original name of the priest,

3906
03:36:20,600 --> 03:36:23,500
it was the Holy order after the
Son of God, right?

3907
03:36:23,500 --> 03:36:26,300
Was changed to Melchizedek
because they didn't want to have

3908
03:36:26,300 --> 03:36:29,300
to overdo the use of the name of
God.

3909
03:36:29,300 --> 03:36:32,900
And so they made that if you
realize that that's actually the

3910
03:36:32,900 --> 03:36:41,400
name of Christ basically, the
his Christ did And so now a

3911
03:36:41,400 --> 03:36:44,600
couple other quick things number
one is that Hebrew is read from

3912
03:36:44,600 --> 03:36:49,200
right to left right instead of
left to right so when you are

3913
03:36:49,200 --> 03:36:52,800
doing Hebrew stuff you usually
want to start in the upper right

3914
03:36:52,800 --> 03:36:56,600
hand corner to work around, but
that always gonna go in a

3915
03:36:56,600 --> 03:36:59,900
counterclockwise rotation when
you're looking at stuff, right?

3916
03:36:59,900 --> 03:37:04,100
So if you look at this at this
earthworm and you start from the

3917
03:37:04,100 --> 03:37:08,600
bottom right hand side, which is
where the circle is right there,

3918
03:37:08,600 --> 03:37:11,800
that's the great circle.
Okay, and you see how it kind of

3919
03:37:11,808 --> 03:37:13,900
comes out if you if you're in
the great circle and you come

3920
03:37:13,908 --> 03:37:16,600
out of the entrance, the opening
of the great circle.

3921
03:37:16,600 --> 03:37:19,900
You go into kind of a pathway.
Yep.

3922
03:37:19,900 --> 03:37:23,000
Then that pathway leads to
another pathway but the two

3923
03:37:23,000 --> 03:37:26,100
Pathways don't quite connect.
They're pointing at each other

3924
03:37:26,100 --> 03:37:28,400
but they don't connect the other
pathway.

3925
03:37:28,400 --> 03:37:31,200
The secondary pathway goes up
into a square.

3926
03:37:31,900 --> 03:37:33,200
Right.
Okay.

3927
03:37:33,200 --> 03:37:36,500
And then from that square, if
you go counterclockwise again,

3928
03:37:36,500 --> 03:37:39,700
you have one path that goes up
to kind of a little holding

3929
03:37:39,700 --> 03:37:41,200
place there and it kind of dead
ends.

3930
03:37:41,200 --> 03:37:45,100
Yep, you have a second one over
on the corner there, where it

3931
03:37:45,100 --> 03:37:47,800
basically comes up and it has a
holding place and it goes up to

3932
03:37:47,800 --> 03:37:51,800
unfortunately, this Raccoon
Creek has flooded that out and

3933
03:37:51,800 --> 03:37:55,300
kind of destroyed that area
before the surveyors got there,

3934
03:37:55,300 --> 03:37:57,800
okay?
So we're not sure if that, if

3935
03:37:57,800 --> 03:38:00,000
that connected up to that thing
that looks sort of like a big

3936
03:38:00,000 --> 03:38:03,600
road, right?
And then you have the third

3937
03:38:03,600 --> 03:38:06,600
thing, coming out of the square
on the, on the left hand side of

3938
03:38:06,600 --> 03:38:09,900
the square and it comes out.
And it goes into, like, this

3939
03:38:09,900 --> 03:38:14,100
road thing that goes around
this, this big manmade pond

3940
03:38:14,100 --> 03:38:17,700
essentially a man, a man-made
lake Wright was originally

3941
03:38:17,700 --> 03:38:20,900
there.
Okay, and then those two both

3942
03:38:20,900 --> 03:38:23,800
converge over to the Octagon,
right?

3943
03:38:24,700 --> 03:38:29,000
Okay, then you have the octagon
and then from the Octagon, you

3944
03:38:29,000 --> 03:38:32,700
basically have this narrow neck
thing that goes over and hooks

3945
03:38:32,700 --> 03:38:34,800
up to the circle.
Right?

3946
03:38:34,800 --> 03:38:39,700
And as we and as and as we were
showing her, this Jewish

3947
03:38:39,700 --> 03:38:43,400
symbolism expert, basically
said, okay.

3948
03:38:43,400 --> 03:38:46,300
So the circles are
representation of Eternity

3949
03:38:46,300 --> 03:38:49,500
eternal life forever, those
kinds of things.

3950
03:38:50,400 --> 03:38:52,800
You have the square
representation of the earth.

3951
03:38:52,800 --> 03:38:55,700
You have the octagons
representation of Christ.

3952
03:38:56,900 --> 03:39:01,000
And all said we started to put
it together like, oh my gosh.

3953
03:39:01,800 --> 03:39:05,500
The temple complex.
Temple complex.

3954
03:39:05,500 --> 03:39:08,300
But this get this.
Let me ask you a quick question

3955
03:39:08,300 --> 03:39:12,400
today.
The Plan of Salvation as

3956
03:39:12,400 --> 03:39:16,100
outlined by Joseph Smith, right?
Nobody other religions.

3957
03:39:16,100 --> 03:39:18,400
Share that with us.
Whoo.

3958
03:39:19,600 --> 03:39:23,400
First Christianity none.
Yeah, it's us.

3959
03:39:23,400 --> 03:39:28,000
It is unique and all of all of
not just Christianity.

3960
03:39:28,000 --> 03:39:32,500
It's Unique in the entire world,
holy cow Muslims.

3961
03:39:32,500 --> 03:39:38,700
The you know, the the Hindus
none of them have the Plan of

3962
03:39:38,700 --> 03:39:40,000
Salvation as we understand it,
right?

3963
03:39:40,000 --> 03:39:42,600
And that's what that's mapping
out right there.

3964
03:39:43,800 --> 03:39:47,600
This has the entire Plan of
Salvation in proper order.

3965
03:39:47,600 --> 03:39:50,700
If you start with the lower
right hand corner.

3966
03:39:50,700 --> 03:39:53,600
Yeah, you start that?
That's the pre-existence.

3967
03:39:53,600 --> 03:39:56,900
Yep.
Okay. that's a pre-existence

3968
03:39:56,900 --> 03:39:59,900
when we leave the pre-existence
we go out through our mother's

3969
03:39:59,900 --> 03:40:05,000
womb, right into the path, that
leads to the Earth, but between

3970
03:40:05,000 --> 03:40:09,700
the Earth and the pre-existing
There's a juxtaposition

3971
03:40:09,700 --> 03:40:13,000
basically we have a veil of
forgetfulness.

3972
03:40:13,000 --> 03:40:16,700
We don't remember the
pre-existence because of this

3973
03:40:16,700 --> 03:40:21,200
this alternate path, right?
You go into this other alternate

3974
03:40:21,200 --> 03:40:24,100
path that takes you into the
Earth life, then from the earth

3975
03:40:24,100 --> 03:40:26,300
life, if you have three
different ways out, number one?

3976
03:40:26,300 --> 03:40:29,600
Yes, Spirit prison.
Right.

3977
03:40:30,800 --> 03:40:32,900
Which is kind of a dead end
right there, right?

3978
03:40:32,900 --> 03:40:34,200
Yep.
Preach the gospel.

3979
03:40:34,200 --> 03:40:36,800
So forth there then the second
one is you have a spirit

3980
03:40:36,800 --> 03:40:41,700
Paradise When Christ was with
the was hanging on the cross, he

3981
03:40:41,700 --> 03:40:43,500
says, did you know?
Today, you'll be with me in

3982
03:40:43,500 --> 03:40:44,600
Paradise to the robber guy,
right?

3983
03:40:44,608 --> 03:40:47,800
We know that paradise is
different than what the Catholic

3984
03:40:47,800 --> 03:40:50,300
church and Christianity believes
Paradise is right.

3985
03:40:50,300 --> 03:40:54,600
Right, it's a whole big place.
Okay, but why is it a holding

3986
03:40:54,600 --> 03:40:56,300
place?
Because at some point, people

3987
03:40:56,300 --> 03:41:01,600
have to have their ordinances
done to be able to get back to

3988
03:41:01,600 --> 03:41:04,800
the presence of God, right.
But there's a third one here.

3989
03:41:04,800 --> 03:41:08,100
The third one is those who are
born under the Covenant or

3990
03:41:08,100 --> 03:41:10,700
basically receive their
covenants while they're on the

3991
03:41:10,700 --> 03:41:12,600
earth.
You check that you see that big

3992
03:41:12,600 --> 03:41:15,900
kind of a three-quarter circle
thing, that's kind of connected

3993
03:41:15,900 --> 03:41:19,400
onto that path.
Yep, that was a big.

3994
03:41:19,400 --> 03:41:25,500
It's not a mount is actually
it's a it's a ring with a kind

3995
03:41:25,500 --> 03:41:29,800
of a low place in the center and
a mound around the outside edges

3996
03:41:29,800 --> 03:41:32,500
of it.
Holy cow, that's a, that's a

3997
03:41:32,508 --> 03:41:36,400
checkpoint.
You go from the from Earth, you

3998
03:41:36,400 --> 03:41:39,600
go to that checkpoint.
And if you and if you've had all

3999
03:41:39,600 --> 03:41:42,100
of your ordinances accomplished
while I on the earth and you

4000
03:41:42,100 --> 03:41:44,400
have basically, you notice
there's no other Tech points

4001
03:41:44,400 --> 03:41:46,600
going along that path until you
get over to the Octagon.

4002
03:41:46,600 --> 03:41:49,900
Yep.
But on the one up above it, that

4003
03:41:49,900 --> 03:41:55,800
is connected to the the, the
spirit Paradise that path has

4004
03:41:55,800 --> 03:41:57,900
checked marks, all along that.
You see that?

4005
03:41:57,900 --> 03:42:02,300
Yeah, I do, yep.
So this this is the vicarious

4006
03:42:02,300 --> 03:42:07,200
route. so, there's the direct
route for those who have Their

4007
03:42:07,200 --> 03:42:08,600
ordinances done.
Well on the earth.

4008
03:42:08,600 --> 03:42:11,300
Then you have a vicarious route
for those who didn't have their

4009
03:42:11,300 --> 03:42:14,000
own, that's done on the earth
that has to be done, you know,

4010
03:42:14,008 --> 03:42:17,900
for them right.
So baptism for the dead and so

4011
03:42:17,900 --> 03:42:20,200
forth, right?
But ultimately both of them lead

4012
03:42:20,200 --> 03:42:22,100
over to the Octagon which is
Christ.

4013
03:42:24,100 --> 03:42:25,500
And then you have to go into the
Octagon.

4014
03:42:25,500 --> 03:42:29,100
There's no other way to get into
the big other Circle and that

4015
03:42:29,100 --> 03:42:31,000
except for you go through the
Octagon.

4016
03:42:31,000 --> 03:42:34,500
So, lays out the whole Plan of
Salvation complete with temple

4017
03:42:34,500 --> 03:42:38,100
theology, Yeah.
Wow and then front.

4018
03:42:38,100 --> 03:42:41,300
So then so then from from from
Christ and the only way you can

4019
03:42:41,300 --> 03:42:45,800
get to the Celestial Kingdom,
basically, if you will, which is

4020
03:42:45,800 --> 03:42:49,800
the other with the other Circle,
the other forever, it eternity

4021
03:42:49,800 --> 03:42:52,700
and those kinds of Concepts is
you have to go through the

4022
03:42:52,700 --> 03:42:55,100
Octagon.
So the only way you can get back

4023
03:42:55,100 --> 03:42:58,700
to God is through Christ.
This also then shows basically

4024
03:42:58,700 --> 03:43:02,000
the celestial the terrestrial
and the telestial kingdoms.

4025
03:43:02,000 --> 03:43:05,900
It's all in the correct order.
You have a vicarious route, you

4026
03:43:05,900 --> 03:43:10,200
have a direct route.
You have the the pre-existence

4027
03:43:10,200 --> 03:43:13,300
and it's all mapped out in the
largest temple complex on the

4028
03:43:13,300 --> 03:43:16,900
earth even today.
And this was made to 2000 years

4029
03:43:16,900 --> 03:43:19,200
ago.
Holy cow.

4030
03:43:22,500 --> 03:43:28,400
So, there you go. you know, so
so tell me that this isn't You

4031
03:43:28,400 --> 03:43:30,700
know, this isn't directed by
God.

4032
03:43:30,700 --> 03:43:32,400
Yeah.
Oh my goodness.

4033
03:43:32,400 --> 03:43:35,800
Yeah, this this is crazy, right.
I mean, this is the moon rise

4034
03:43:35,800 --> 03:43:39,400
Moon points of the, of this of
this complex.

4035
03:43:39,400 --> 03:43:41,900
Of course, why is the moon
important?

4036
03:43:41,900 --> 03:43:45,000
Well, according to the Book of
Mormon, when the, the last, The

4037
03:43:45,000 --> 03:43:48,400
Last Jedi Knight was was came
wandering into the Nephites.

4038
03:43:48,400 --> 03:43:52,000
Basically, this coriander, he
says he was discovered by the

4039
03:43:52,008 --> 03:43:53,700
people.
Is there a hamlet with them with

4040
03:43:53,700 --> 03:43:58,300
the space of Nine minutes.
Which tells you that the Book of

4041
03:43:58,300 --> 03:44:00,500
Mormon people were telling time
based on lunar cycles.

4042
03:44:00,500 --> 03:44:04,400
This Hopewell Builder complexes
on lunar cycles.

4043
03:44:04,400 --> 03:44:08,200
Yeah.
Native Americans to this day

4044
03:44:08,200 --> 03:44:13,200
are, you know, are two things
based on the moon So, you know,

4045
03:44:13,208 --> 03:44:16,100
and the right, where's the moon,
why is the moon cycle even

4046
03:44:16,100 --> 03:44:18,500
important?
Yeah, a 28-day moon cycle.

4047
03:44:18,500 --> 03:44:22,000
If you divide that by four, That
gives you?

4048
03:44:22,900 --> 03:44:24,600
Four weeks of seven days.
Each?

4049
03:44:24,600 --> 03:44:26,900
How hard is it?
Then to figure out when the

4050
03:44:26,900 --> 03:44:28,900
Sabbath is?
Oh, yeah.

4051
03:44:29,800 --> 03:44:33,300
Oh yeah, so yeah, so you need a
seven day calendar.

4052
03:44:33,300 --> 03:44:36,000
So you can observe the Sabbath
and have your seven days.

4053
03:44:37,400 --> 03:44:40,100
Of, you know, six days of
working one day off for rest for

4054
03:44:40,100 --> 03:44:43,000
your Sabbath.
And if you use it a lunar

4055
03:44:43,000 --> 03:44:44,700
calendar system, it's easy to do
it.

4056
03:44:44,700 --> 03:44:47,700
The Mayans don't have a
seven-day calendar system.

4057
03:44:47,700 --> 03:44:49,400
They had the law encounter, the
short count.

4058
03:44:49,400 --> 03:44:52,200
Neither one of them are
divisible by seven you.

4059
03:44:52,200 --> 03:44:57,800
There's no way to really keep
track of a seven-day Sabbath

4060
03:44:57,800 --> 03:45:00,500
cycle.
Yeah, hold my calendar.

4061
03:45:01,600 --> 03:45:05,700
Oh, So what about evidence is
the president get the gate

4062
03:45:05,700 --> 03:45:07,000
right?
God and so forth that are in

4063
03:45:07,000 --> 03:45:09,300
mesoamerica because Mason
America definitely does have

4064
03:45:09,300 --> 03:45:11,100
that.
Now this paint is really

4065
03:45:11,100 --> 03:45:15,000
fascinating pain.
Wait, may have that an art

4066
03:45:15,000 --> 03:45:18,700
colleges spend his, that came to
church with him and in the foyer

4067
03:45:18,700 --> 03:45:21,300
of the church, was this
painting, right standing there?

4068
03:45:21,300 --> 03:45:25,300
Basically, what clearly is made
so America and the and the

4069
03:45:25,300 --> 03:45:27,600
archaeologists basically told
Wayne says, well, you know, you

4070
03:45:27,600 --> 03:45:29,500
never told me that Christ came
twice to the Nephites.

4071
03:45:29,500 --> 03:45:35,000
He says, well, he must have come
twice because this is depicting

4072
03:45:35,000 --> 03:45:37,600
Christ.
Coming into the fights and

4073
03:45:37,600 --> 03:45:39,700
they're in the background is
chips and eats and chips and

4074
03:45:39,700 --> 03:45:41,500
eats, it wasn't even till 900
ad.

4075
03:45:42,600 --> 03:45:45,900
Right?
So so he must have come another

4076
03:45:45,900 --> 03:45:49,300
time a second time, right.
You know?

4077
03:45:49,308 --> 03:45:52,700
And I mean, just like, Oh, Come,
Oh yeah.

4078
03:45:52,700 --> 03:45:56,200
Yeah, you're predicting stuff.
That isn't historically accurate

4079
03:45:56,200 --> 03:45:57,800
at all, right?
And it's also in the wrong

4080
03:45:57,800 --> 03:46:01,400
place, but then, but the Christ
in third Nephi, says other sheep

4081
03:46:01,400 --> 03:46:04,400
I have, which are not of this
land, meaning here in America.

4082
03:46:04,400 --> 03:46:08,500
Neither the land of Jerusalem,
neither any parts of the land

4083
03:46:08,500 --> 03:46:10,000
around about whether I've been
to minister.

4084
03:46:10,000 --> 03:46:14,200
So, basically Christ said that
his father had commanded him to

4085
03:46:14,200 --> 03:46:17,600
go to other sheep, right?
So there's so there's other

4086
03:46:17,600 --> 03:46:20,300
other sheep.
And so, and I understand it is

4087
03:46:20,308 --> 03:46:23,900
that when Christ was with the he
was with the Jews, then he came

4088
03:46:23,900 --> 03:46:28,400
to the heartland of America.
My personal thought is, is that

4089
03:46:28,400 --> 03:46:32,000
it would make the most sense for
Christ to come to the biggest

4090
03:46:32,000 --> 03:46:36,100
temple, complex at the Hopewell,
Builders Aether it's ever built.

4091
03:46:37,600 --> 03:46:41,300
which would be then in Ohio, So
he's there in Ohio with them.

4092
03:46:41,300 --> 03:46:46,800
And then he says and and and
God, my father has commanded me

4093
03:46:46,800 --> 03:46:48,200
to go to all these other sheep
too.

4094
03:46:48,208 --> 03:46:50,100
Right?
Well what's the chances that

4095
03:46:50,100 --> 03:46:52,400
Christ is going to follow his
father and actually do that

4096
03:46:52,400 --> 03:46:55,000
which makes sense.
Then why you have The Feathered

4097
03:46:55,000 --> 03:46:58,300
Serpent and all the stuff cuts
and koala and things done in

4098
03:46:58,300 --> 03:46:59,800
Central America?
Yeah absolutely.

4099
03:46:59,800 --> 03:47:03,500
And not only that we do know
that Michigan coppers been found

4100
03:47:03,500 --> 03:47:08,600
in Central America, right?
And anytime you have that kind

4101
03:47:08,600 --> 03:47:11,300
of trade, you also have
cross-pollination of ideas,

4102
03:47:11,300 --> 03:47:17,100
right?
And so there's not that

4103
03:47:17,100 --> 03:47:21,300
obviously a dead giveaway, the
other sheep, but then you, you

4104
03:47:21,300 --> 03:47:25,100
know, again have crossed
pollination of ideas as well as

4105
03:47:25,100 --> 03:47:28,000
trading going on.
I would expect to see crossover,

4106
03:47:28,000 --> 03:47:31,200
right?
You get back, like you've seen

4107
03:47:31,200 --> 03:47:34,300
the people I visited when I was
trading for the copper, right?

4108
03:47:34,300 --> 03:47:38,100
They had this, you know, idea of
a white God, right?

4109
03:47:38,100 --> 03:47:41,400
And then it gets told over and
over again, you get it.

4110
03:47:42,400 --> 03:47:45,600
Yeah, yeah.
So I mean the primary building

4111
03:47:45,600 --> 03:47:49,500
materials the book of Roman
talked about and he yeah, this

4112
03:47:49,500 --> 03:47:53,500
is another thing that just this
just absolutely incredible when

4113
03:47:53,500 --> 03:47:56,900
it comes down to now.
So what did they use as their

4114
03:47:56,900 --> 03:47:59,500
primary building material?
That says, the people who are in

4115
03:47:59,500 --> 03:48:02,100
land northward dwell in tents
and houses cement.

4116
03:48:02,800 --> 03:48:06,400
Um okay then we need to we need
to talk about this man but the

4117
03:48:06,400 --> 03:48:07,900
stuff I don't know.
We don't have time.

4118
03:48:07,900 --> 03:48:10,100
I think we're running out of
time for this but basically they

4119
03:48:10,100 --> 03:48:12,700
did several whatsoever Tricia
spring up on the face the land.

4120
03:48:12,700 --> 03:48:16,600
As you grow up that in time they
might have what Timber to build

4121
03:48:16,600 --> 03:48:18,400
what their houses.
Okay?

4122
03:48:18,400 --> 03:48:22,900
And they're cities.
Wait a minute, yeah temples

4123
03:48:23,600 --> 03:48:25,700
Yeah.
Well hold on, just a second

4124
03:48:25,700 --> 03:48:27,600
here.
Then meso America.

4125
03:48:27,600 --> 03:48:29,400
The temple is not built out of
Timber.

4126
03:48:29,400 --> 03:48:34,600
They're built at a stone, right?
Right there in the book of

4127
03:48:34,600 --> 03:48:36,200
mermaid.
Do you have any buildings?

4128
03:48:37,000 --> 03:48:38,800
That are said to be made out of
stone.

4129
03:48:39,800 --> 03:48:43,500
Zero not one not even one, the
only thing.

4130
03:48:43,500 --> 03:48:45,800
In fact, the only time it talks
about stone is a building

4131
03:48:45,800 --> 03:48:48,200
materials when it says they
build, they build walls of

4132
03:48:48,200 --> 03:48:51,500
stone.
But here we have a helmet that

4133
03:48:51,500 --> 03:48:54,000
they said, that the temples are
made out of Timber and their

4134
03:48:54,000 --> 03:48:56,300
synagogues and they're sanctuary
and all men are their buildings.

4135
03:48:57,600 --> 03:48:59,400
And Samantha's.
Another interesting one because

4136
03:48:59,400 --> 03:49:01,900
that I'll just just address this
cementing real quick.

4137
03:49:01,900 --> 03:49:08,500
You know, cement basically is
the mixture of of slave line,

4138
03:49:08,500 --> 03:49:11,200
basically, and sand, right?
And some gravel to something

4139
03:49:11,200 --> 03:49:17,000
does not last very well in
Northern climates cement down in

4140
03:49:17,000 --> 03:49:19,300
Central America, Mesa America
will last for almost

4141
03:49:19,300 --> 03:49:21,300
indefinitely.
And the reason why there's a

4142
03:49:21,300 --> 03:49:24,600
difference is because you don't
have freezing and find Cycles.

4143
03:49:24,600 --> 03:49:28,300
Now Central America it never
goes below freezing, right?

4144
03:49:29,500 --> 03:49:33,100
So submit down there will last
forever practically.

4145
03:49:33,100 --> 03:49:36,100
But what happens is cement here
in the northern climates?

4146
03:49:36,100 --> 03:49:41,800
Well, You know, my house in
Provo, you know the the house

4147
03:49:41,800 --> 03:49:44,900
was only that was about 40 years
old or something like that, but

4148
03:49:44,900 --> 03:49:48,600
I was gonna have to replace the
entire driveway because it's

4149
03:49:48,600 --> 03:49:52,700
spelled so badly that the
surface basically gone.

4150
03:49:52,700 --> 03:49:56,000
In Northern climates where you
have water comes in at

4151
03:49:56,000 --> 03:49:57,500
penetrates into the cement
itself.

4152
03:49:57,500 --> 03:50:00,500
Cement is very poorest, the
water gets in there, it freezes

4153
03:50:00,500 --> 03:50:04,600
it, expands it breaks.
This cement up and literally

4154
03:50:04,600 --> 03:50:06,600
over the course of about 100
years.

4155
03:50:06,600 --> 03:50:10,800
Since gonna be completely
destroyed, you want even friend,

4156
03:50:10,800 --> 03:50:14,100
except for you, just find the
constituent, you know, like the

4157
03:50:14,100 --> 03:50:18,600
sand and the gravel but it won't
be a cohesive cement slide more,

4158
03:50:18,600 --> 03:50:20,100
right?
The reason why we have to

4159
03:50:20,100 --> 03:50:24,500
replace even submit overpasses
and stuff in our Highway systems

4160
03:50:24,500 --> 03:50:26,600
every 15 or 20 years.
They got to be replaced.

4161
03:50:26,600 --> 03:50:29,300
Yep, yes.
And that's not the last in the

4162
03:50:29,300 --> 03:50:32,300
northern climate.
Well, and all these structures

4163
03:50:32,300 --> 03:50:35,800
are made out of wood too rod.
They'll break down, right?

4164
03:50:35,800 --> 03:50:38,500
They'll break down.
So, this idea that we should go

4165
03:50:38,500 --> 03:50:42,300
in and, you know, in these
cities and these temples We

4166
03:50:42,300 --> 03:50:46,900
should expect to find structures
not necessarily right wood

4167
03:50:46,900 --> 03:50:49,500
breaks down rather quickly.
Yeah not at all.

4168
03:50:49,500 --> 03:50:52,700
In fact if a tree falls down in
the forest some places usually

4169
03:50:52,700 --> 03:50:56,200
about 15 or 20 years maximum and
that tree is gone.

4170
03:50:56,200 --> 03:51:00,500
It just it rots, it decays you
know you know the small insects

4171
03:51:00,500 --> 03:51:03,100
and so forth.
Get in there and they rip it up

4172
03:51:03,100 --> 03:51:06,300
and basically again freezing
signs Cycles when it gets wet

4173
03:51:06,300 --> 03:51:09,800
and it freezes and thaws and
back and forth.

4174
03:51:09,800 --> 03:51:13,600
And basically just the wood
breaks down within you know 20

4175
03:51:13,600 --> 03:51:16,400
30 years most of the time a lot
will be gone, especially smaller

4176
03:51:16,400 --> 03:51:20,000
ones, you know bigger lines me
take maybe 50 years but still

4177
03:51:20,000 --> 03:51:21,900
not going to last a thousand
years.

4178
03:51:21,900 --> 03:51:26,600
Know and that here we have even
the most Bodacious building of

4179
03:51:26,600 --> 03:51:29,300
the Book of Mormon is talked
about is that is the the Grand

4180
03:51:29,300 --> 03:51:32,600
Palace of King.
Noah it says he built him a

4181
03:51:32,608 --> 03:51:35,600
spacious Palace and thrown in
the midst of all of it was a

4182
03:51:35,600 --> 03:51:37,100
fine wood.
Yep.

4183
03:51:37,900 --> 03:51:41,200
Yep, that's the stone.
Yeah, there's no mental Stone.

4184
03:51:41,200 --> 03:51:44,900
They're not all in this, right?
So if this is the easiest way to

4185
03:51:44,908 --> 03:51:48,700
destroy a neat bite City.
Know how would you destroy it?

4186
03:51:48,700 --> 03:51:51,600
If it's a, if it's made out of
wood, you burn it.

4187
03:51:52,900 --> 03:51:55,100
Is there any indication of
burning happening in the Book of

4188
03:51:55,108 --> 03:51:56,100
Mormon?
Yes, there is.

4189
03:51:57,100 --> 03:52:00,300
A lot a lot.
Yeah, they bring their cities.

4190
03:52:00,300 --> 03:52:05,700
How do you burn a stone pyramid?
I mean, I'm an eagle scout and I

4191
03:52:05,700 --> 03:52:07,900
know that rocks.
Do not burn that.

4192
03:52:07,900 --> 03:52:10,300
Well, yeah, yep.
Yep.

4193
03:52:10,300 --> 03:52:11,100
You got burn it.
Yeah.

4194
03:52:11,100 --> 03:52:14,700
No, that makes sense.
Yeah, I don't even hearing says

4195
03:52:14,700 --> 03:52:18,900
that we the anybody who wasn't
gathered in, they were destroyed

4196
03:52:18,900 --> 03:52:21,100
by the late nights, their tails
and their Villages and their

4197
03:52:21,100 --> 03:52:22,300
cities were all burned with
fire.

4198
03:52:22,300 --> 03:52:25,800
It tells you that they were made
out of what.

4199
03:52:25,800 --> 03:52:27,500
Yep.
All right.

4200
03:52:27,508 --> 03:52:30,100
And then this is the only
mention of a wall of stone in

4201
03:52:30,100 --> 03:52:34,000
the Book of Mormon, the single
reference to use of the building

4202
03:52:34,000 --> 03:52:35,600
materials and how much chapter
48.

4203
03:52:37,000 --> 03:52:38,500
Says it.
They were throwing up Banks of

4204
03:52:38,500 --> 03:52:41,000
Earth around about the armies
and also building walls of

4205
03:52:41,000 --> 03:52:43,400
stone.
So we would expect to find some

4206
03:52:43,400 --> 03:52:46,100
walls of stone if the Book of
Mormon is correct, but we

4207
03:52:46,100 --> 03:52:48,400
wouldn't expect to find temples
made out of stuff.

4208
03:52:49,100 --> 03:52:50,900
Yeah, that's not in the Book of
Mormon.

4209
03:52:51,500 --> 03:52:55,300
That I think he mentioned before
we went to talk about medals and

4210
03:52:55,300 --> 03:52:56,900
so forth a little bit but then
anyway.

4211
03:52:56,900 --> 03:53:00,300
So here we have the currents of
Hopewell interaction, sphere raw

4212
03:53:00,300 --> 03:53:04,100
materials, Hopewell sites.
These are just these are just a

4213
03:53:04,100 --> 03:53:08,200
few sites but basically talking
about copper was founded 167

4214
03:53:08,200 --> 03:53:12,000
Saints and eight regions.
Silver found 32 sites and seven

4215
03:53:12,000 --> 03:53:14,600
regions.
I iron is found in 15 sites in

4216
03:53:14,608 --> 03:53:16,900
three regions.
Truth.

4217
03:53:17,900 --> 03:53:20,400
Yeah, so these are these are
head plates and breastplate.

4218
03:53:20,400 --> 03:53:24,900
In order to make iron you have
to have smelting furnaces in

4219
03:53:24,900 --> 03:53:26,800
Ohio.
There's there's there's there's

4220
03:53:26,808 --> 03:53:31,200
dozens of smelting furnaces that
and and the archaeologists Dave,

4221
03:53:31,200 --> 03:53:35,000
they will not even come and look
at it, they refuse to do it.

4222
03:53:36,200 --> 03:53:39,400
It doesn't surprise me as I've
read number of the church.

4223
03:53:39,400 --> 03:53:41,800
Yeah, non-members of the church
have tried to do.

4224
03:53:41,808 --> 03:53:45,100
In fact, they've got that.
There's a guy that for years, he

4225
03:53:45,100 --> 03:53:50,100
located these sites and found
high temperature glazing on

4226
03:53:50,100 --> 03:53:52,400
rocks.
Like you see in this image right

4227
03:53:52,400 --> 03:53:57,000
here, the the image up in the
upper right hand upper left hand

4228
03:53:57,000 --> 03:54:00,600
side in the lower right hand
side is actually two sides of

4229
03:54:00,600 --> 03:54:03,200
the same brick.
It's a brick.

4230
03:54:03,200 --> 03:54:06,100
That was part of a copper
smelting furnace the entire

4231
03:54:06,100 --> 03:54:10,800
front surface of that against
the against the molten copper is

4232
03:54:10,800 --> 03:54:14,000
infused with copper and the back
end of it is just part of the

4233
03:54:14,000 --> 03:54:16,000
brick.
I mean, it's just, it's just

4234
03:54:16,000 --> 03:54:19,700
phenomenal.
This is a, this is a an iron ax

4235
03:54:19,700 --> 03:54:24,900
head that was found still in its
mold and June 30th of 2003 in

4236
03:54:24,900 --> 03:54:28,400
Chillicothe Ohio.
But they literally dug up this.

4237
03:54:28,400 --> 03:54:31,400
This this it looked like a big
Stone but it was really heavy.

4238
03:54:31,400 --> 03:54:35,600
It's like abnormally dense and
so I took it they they took a

4239
03:54:35,600 --> 03:54:40,600
sledges ball sledgehammer and
just hit it to try to just break

4240
03:54:40,600 --> 03:54:43,500
it up and they thought it was a
stone and instead it wasn't a

4241
03:54:43,500 --> 03:54:45,600
stone at all.
It was actually it was a ceramic

4242
03:54:45,600 --> 03:54:49,000
mold and on the inside of the
ceramic mold, is that iron ax

4243
03:54:49,000 --> 03:54:53,400
head that had been poured?
Yeah, as molten iron into the

4244
03:54:53,400 --> 03:54:56,100
mold.
That's what you're seeing there

4245
03:54:56,100 --> 03:54:59,500
on the right hand side.
Now, they talked about in the

4246
03:54:59,500 --> 03:55:02,700
book where they talked about
we've seen the spread upon the

4247
03:55:02,708 --> 03:55:06,500
face of the land.
And they had machinery and iron

4248
03:55:06,500 --> 03:55:11,600
and copper, and brass and steel.
And here are actual artifacts of

4249
03:55:11,600 --> 03:55:18,000
the Hope album people with with
gold copper and on silver iron

4250
03:55:18,000 --> 03:55:19,900
again.
It's not going to last because

4251
03:55:19,900 --> 03:55:21,300
it's going to rust away.
Right?

4252
03:55:21,300 --> 03:55:23,900
Right.
But yes, it's an interesting

4253
03:55:23,900 --> 03:55:29,000
factor and it actually found
brass along with some some other

4254
03:55:29,000 --> 03:55:31,800
artifacts when they dug up the
back Creek Stone.

4255
03:55:32,600 --> 03:55:35,300
But this is actually a silver
bracelet.

4256
03:55:35,300 --> 03:55:36,800
You see that?
Yep.

4257
03:55:36,800 --> 03:55:38,200
Yep.
Copper bracelet.

4258
03:55:38,200 --> 03:55:43,500
It's been completely plated buy
silver and according to the The

4259
03:55:43,500 --> 03:55:47,100
people that actually dug this up
back in the late 1800s, early

4260
03:55:47,100 --> 03:55:51,300
early 1900s, they said that they
that the silver is not just

4261
03:55:51,300 --> 03:55:56,000
plated around the copper, it's
actually been, it was a copper

4262
03:55:56,000 --> 03:56:00,800
bracelet that had been dipped in
molten silver. wow, so the

4263
03:56:00,800 --> 03:56:06,000
plating isn't just You know,
just taking silver and smashing

4264
03:56:06,000 --> 03:56:10,100
it, flat and rolling it over the
copper, it was actually plated

4265
03:56:10,100 --> 03:56:13,800
with silver.
There's, there's that, I mean,

4266
03:56:13,808 --> 03:56:16,200
we could go into these copper
medallions and so forth.

4267
03:56:16,200 --> 03:56:19,000
The silver are spools, and so
forth that they had.

4268
03:56:19,000 --> 03:56:22,300
No, of course, gold artifacts
are harder to come by.

4269
03:56:22,300 --> 03:56:24,900
And part of the reason is, it's
because if you're, if you're a

4270
03:56:24,900 --> 03:56:30,400
1800 farmer and you happen on to
some pieces of some artifacts of

4271
03:56:30,400 --> 03:56:33,100
gold, when you think the
chances, are you going to give

4272
03:56:33,100 --> 03:56:35,100
that to Smithsonian rather than
right?

4273
03:56:35,100 --> 03:56:38,400
Where, that's the currency of
the day?

4274
03:56:38,400 --> 03:56:42,400
Yeah, that's a bonus.
That's your Christmas bonus

4275
03:56:42,400 --> 03:56:44,200
right there.
Exactly.

4276
03:56:44,200 --> 03:56:47,600
I mean, you gotta go buy
yourself a new horse or a team

4277
03:56:47,600 --> 03:56:49,300
of horses.
You're not gonna, you're gonna

4278
03:56:49,300 --> 03:56:51,700
take that goal, and give it to
the Smithsonian and get nothing

4279
03:56:51,700 --> 03:56:54,600
out of it.
It's on your land know.

4280
03:56:54,600 --> 03:56:56,400
So a lot of the goal just
disappeared.

4281
03:56:56,400 --> 03:56:59,400
But, you know, that talks about
they had the precious things,

4282
03:56:59,400 --> 03:57:02,200
their ornamented with gold, and
they had ringlets and confidence

4283
03:57:02,200 --> 03:57:04,600
and so forth.
All of that in the, in the

4284
03:57:04,600 --> 03:57:05,700
Hopewell Mound, but the
civilization.

4285
03:57:05,700 --> 03:57:09,200
Oh, yeah, I love this.
And now, one thing that we

4286
03:57:09,200 --> 03:57:11,800
didn't talk about at all, and
I'm just gonna just touch on it.

4287
03:57:11,800 --> 03:57:15,400
And as the plants and animals in
the book, I'm wearing Dave They

4288
03:57:15,400 --> 03:57:19,000
talked about, they had that they
had sheep to offer sacrifices.

4289
03:57:19,000 --> 03:57:22,500
In fact, this is some other
information that Amberly Nelson

4290
03:57:22,500 --> 03:57:27,400
was actually really involved in
in doing this research.

4291
03:57:27,400 --> 03:57:30,600
But we know that the book Mormon
people were practicing the laws

4292
03:57:30,600 --> 03:57:32,300
of Moses, right?
Right.

4293
03:57:33,700 --> 03:57:36,300
The laws of Moses require
certain animals and plants.

4294
03:57:36,900 --> 03:57:39,800
It's to live it.
You have to have sheep.

4295
03:57:39,800 --> 03:57:41,600
Yeah.
Have goats you need to have

4296
03:57:41,600 --> 03:57:45,400
grapes to make, you know, new
wine, basically, or even old

4297
03:57:45,400 --> 03:57:47,500
wine, okay?
We know, the Nephites, we're

4298
03:57:47,500 --> 03:57:50,500
making wine because they even
got the late nights, drunk a

4299
03:57:50,500 --> 03:57:51,600
couple times, right?
Right.

4300
03:57:51,600 --> 03:57:56,900
So, yeah, they have sheep time
for sacrifices.

4301
03:57:56,900 --> 03:58:04,000
You, you know, and God doesn't
really condone making, at least,

4302
03:58:04,008 --> 03:58:10,400
you know, that as a general rule
God, doesn't condone changing

4303
03:58:10,400 --> 03:58:12,700
your sacrifice.
I mean, how well did it work for

4304
03:58:12,700 --> 03:58:16,600
for your, for Kane, right
changing the ordinances?

4305
03:58:16,600 --> 03:58:19,200
Big, no, no.
Yeah, right.

4306
03:58:19,200 --> 03:58:21,000
And that's so you have to have
sheep.

4307
03:58:21,000 --> 03:58:22,900
You have to have ghosts, you
have to grapes wheat, you have

4308
03:58:22,908 --> 03:58:25,900
to have wheat and barley or see
me, you have that barley.

4309
03:58:25,900 --> 03:58:29,300
You don't have to have wheat to
live the laws of Moses, but they

4310
03:58:29,300 --> 03:58:33,800
just mentioned specifically, you
also had fine fine linen.

4311
03:58:35,300 --> 03:58:37,500
Which comes from the phone tax
plan.

4312
03:58:38,300 --> 03:58:41,700
You know, all of those pants and
animals that are specifically,

4313
03:58:41,700 --> 03:58:44,500
mentioned the Book of Mormon,
how many of them even existed in

4314
03:58:44,500 --> 03:58:47,400
Central America back in that
back in the ancient times,

4315
03:58:47,400 --> 03:58:49,800
probably none of them.
None of them.

4316
03:58:49,800 --> 03:58:54,400
There's no evidence for any
sheep, any goats any grapes.

4317
03:58:54,400 --> 03:58:56,300
Any Wheat?
Any barley?

4318
03:58:57,300 --> 03:59:01,000
Those things are not even wheat
and barley won't even grow down

4319
03:59:01,000 --> 03:59:02,400
in Central America because it's
the wrong climate.

4320
03:59:02,400 --> 03:59:04,500
You need a tent or more
temperate climate, right?

4321
03:59:04,500 --> 03:59:08,200
But all of those things, every
animal and plant that's

4322
03:59:08,200 --> 03:59:11,200
mentioned the Book of Mormon is
not only indigenous, but we have

4323
03:59:11,200 --> 03:59:13,500
it in the archaeological record
that they had it.

4324
03:59:13,500 --> 03:59:16,400
For example, here's a goat horn,
made out of copper.

4325
03:59:17,200 --> 03:59:20,200
Made by the Hopewell Mound bill
that people we have male

4326
03:59:20,200 --> 03:59:22,400
breastplates.
How many male breastplates have

4327
03:59:22,400 --> 03:59:24,800
been found in Central America
that dated Into the Book of

4328
03:59:24,800 --> 03:59:26,600
Mormon time frames.
None zero.

4329
03:59:28,300 --> 03:59:29,900
There hasn't been a single hand
plate.

4330
03:59:30,700 --> 03:59:33,700
This is that this one in about
right hand corner is kind of

4331
03:59:33,700 --> 03:59:36,300
interesting.
This is a breastplate but it's

4332
03:59:36,300 --> 03:59:39,000
kind of covered over with these
these beets.

4333
03:59:39,000 --> 03:59:43,800
It turns out that these beads
are actually pearls And

4334
03:59:43,800 --> 03:59:45,900
freshwater pearls.
These people were so

4335
03:59:45,900 --> 03:59:49,000
sophisticated that they were
actually they would actually

4336
03:59:49,000 --> 03:59:52,100
flood areas and they and they
would they were actively

4337
03:59:52,100 --> 03:59:53,900
growing.
These freshwater pearls.

4338
03:59:53,900 --> 03:59:58,000
Some of these Hopewell sites had
as many as 10,000 pearls in and

4339
03:59:58,000 --> 04:00:01,800
one of the burials, okay?
They had site now, for example,

4340
04:00:02,600 --> 04:00:05,400
Breastplates and the Book of
Mormon.

4341
04:00:05,400 --> 04:00:07,900
These are breast plates in the
hopeful interaction sphere

4342
04:00:07,900 --> 04:00:11,100
breast for found a 22 sites in
three regions, had places found

4343
04:00:11,100 --> 04:00:13,400
in nine sites in three regions,
holy cow.

4344
04:00:14,600 --> 04:00:17,100
There's never been a single
breastplate or head plate found

4345
04:00:17,100 --> 04:00:19,000
in Central America in the Book
of Mormon.

4346
04:00:19,000 --> 04:00:21,700
Timeframes, these are all
Hopewell and Hopewell people and

4347
04:00:21,700 --> 04:00:23,700
that, and the Hope was what her
we're saying.

4348
04:00:23,700 --> 04:00:28,500
They were the Nephites the the
lamanites didn't build cities,

4349
04:00:28,500 --> 04:00:31,500
right.
Did you ever realize that they

4350
04:00:31,500 --> 04:00:34,200
wandered about in the wilderness
they were, they were in the

4351
04:00:34,200 --> 04:00:38,400
tents and TVs.
They were following the course

4352
04:00:38,400 --> 04:00:40,700
of the Beast, while the while
the knee fights were the the

4353
04:00:40,700 --> 04:00:43,900
cultural agriculture,
agricultural people that

4354
04:00:43,900 --> 04:00:45,300
agrarians, right?
Right.

4355
04:00:46,200 --> 04:00:48,000
So they needed to have like
these, you know, these

4356
04:00:48,000 --> 04:00:50,600
breastplates here's a copper
breastplate, still on the guy's

4357
04:00:50,600 --> 04:00:52,400
head.
Holy cow.

4358
04:00:53,400 --> 04:00:58,700
This is from from 1936, okay.
Another guy.

4359
04:00:58,700 --> 04:01:01,700
And that guy's got a breastplate
sitting there next to him as

4360
04:01:01,700 --> 04:01:03,700
well, and as well as some are
sports and stuff.

4361
04:01:03,700 --> 04:01:06,700
This is that, look at look at
what they call this thing.

4362
04:01:08,100 --> 04:01:10,000
Hopewell.
They call it ahead play.

4363
04:01:10,000 --> 04:01:15,700
Oh wow.
This this best place kind of a

4364
04:01:15,700 --> 04:01:18,000
cold one.
This is another another cool and

4365
04:01:18,000 --> 04:01:20,700
these are copper breastplates.
This one I think is really

4366
04:01:20,700 --> 04:01:23,000
fascinating because this is the
one that has the beads on it,

4367
04:01:23,000 --> 04:01:26,300
but we're girls Why is that
significant?

4368
04:01:27,400 --> 04:01:31,100
Forth need for chapter one and
now there's 205 first year,

4369
04:01:31,100 --> 04:01:32,400
they're began to be amending
them.

4370
04:01:32,400 --> 04:01:34,900
Those were lifted up in Pride
such as the wearing of costly

4371
04:01:34,900 --> 04:01:41,700
apparel and all manner of fine
pearls, holy cow, that's a bull

4372
04:01:41,700 --> 04:01:45,200
Define things of the world.
That's a lot.

4373
04:01:46,000 --> 04:01:49,700
I mean here we got a metal
breastplate with pearls on it

4374
04:01:49,700 --> 04:01:53,100
just like the book of Roman
describes and oh man we could go

4375
04:01:53,108 --> 04:01:57,500
into the the laws of the laws of
the Moses here and the you know

4376
04:01:57,508 --> 04:02:00,100
they have the festivals.
Oh my gosh.

4377
04:02:00,100 --> 04:02:03,400
Just awesome.
You know, the the animals and

4378
04:02:03,400 --> 04:02:06,200
the book mermen and animals and
Mason America, they don't line

4379
04:02:06,200 --> 04:02:07,500
up.
At all.

4380
04:02:08,500 --> 04:02:10,300
There's not even one really that
matches up.

4381
04:02:11,800 --> 04:02:13,800
Yeah, here in North America.
We've got goats, we've got

4382
04:02:13,800 --> 04:02:16,800
sheep.
Fact, there's, there's ancient

4383
04:02:16,800 --> 04:02:21,100
not ancient, but that's a sheep.
Rams horns, which are also used

4384
04:02:21,100 --> 04:02:23,400
for so far's by the Jews.
Yep.

4385
04:02:23,400 --> 04:02:26,600
You need to have a hollow horn
made out of collagen.

4386
04:02:26,600 --> 04:02:28,200
Yeah.
And that's, of course what that

4387
04:02:28,200 --> 04:02:35,300
to do at a A show fire but they
would blow at during each of

4388
04:02:35,300 --> 04:02:38,000
these.
Holy staff symbols and so forth.

4389
04:02:38,000 --> 04:02:41,000
I mean, there's a shofar in the
book of one.

4390
04:02:41,008 --> 04:02:44,000
They talked about, they had land
scams about their loins and that

4391
04:02:44,000 --> 04:02:45,900
wasn't just a few.
And this is when the gaddi aunt

4392
04:02:45,900 --> 04:02:47,800
and robbers were hanging out,
right?

4393
04:02:47,800 --> 04:02:51,100
And they and this is now this is
a fascinating part of it, too.

4394
04:02:51,100 --> 04:02:53,700
Why would they choose a lamp
skin?

4395
04:02:53,700 --> 04:02:57,500
There are probably more deer.
They could have used a deer skin

4396
04:02:57,500 --> 04:03:00,300
easier faster.
I mean be more of them or

4397
04:03:00,300 --> 04:03:04,200
possibly even elk skin or I mean
they were moose back in those

4398
04:03:04,200 --> 04:03:08,000
time frames, right?
That's a different animals.

4399
04:03:08,000 --> 04:03:12,500
They could use why a lamp.
And the answer to that is

4400
04:03:12,500 --> 04:03:16,200
because the lamb is is integral
to their entire ability to

4401
04:03:16,200 --> 04:03:19,500
repent of their sins.
It's part of the laws of Moses.

4402
04:03:19,500 --> 04:03:24,300
They have to have a land and of
course is known as the Lamb of

4403
04:03:24,300 --> 04:03:25,700
God, right?
Yep.

4404
04:03:25,700 --> 04:03:29,700
And he's as a like he's going
like a lamb to the slaughter and

4405
04:03:29,700 --> 04:03:30,800
so yeah right.
Yep.

4406
04:03:31,200 --> 04:03:33,200
I sew this lamb is a really
important thing.

4407
04:03:33,200 --> 04:03:36,800
Apparently, the knee fights were
living.

4408
04:03:36,800 --> 04:03:39,000
The laws of Moses.
They needed these Lambs to

4409
04:03:39,000 --> 04:03:42,900
actually be able to repent.
So if you are getting out and

4410
04:03:42,900 --> 04:03:46,100
robber and you want to basically
really intimidate and not only

4411
04:03:46,108 --> 04:03:50,100
that, but you want to mock their
religion, you would use the lamb

4412
04:03:50,100 --> 04:03:52,900
again.
You're gonna kill the Lambs, you

4413
04:03:52,900 --> 04:03:58,600
put them on your loins, right?
And you did not only you denying

4414
04:03:58,600 --> 04:04:01,400
the Nephites the ability to
offer sacrifices.

4415
04:04:01,400 --> 04:04:04,800
You're also basically thumbing
your nose at their religion.

4416
04:04:04,800 --> 04:04:06,300
Yep.
Yep.

4417
04:04:06,300 --> 04:04:09,100
I can see the correlation there.
You're mocking their religion.

4418
04:04:09,100 --> 04:04:10,700
Yeah.
Killing the lands.

4419
04:04:10,700 --> 04:04:13,600
But guess, guess how many lamps
have been found in Central

4420
04:04:13,600 --> 04:04:16,300
America zero?
No sheep.

4421
04:04:17,600 --> 04:04:20,600
No sheep but all but here we
have in North America these are

4422
04:04:20,600 --> 04:04:22,800
artifacts.
What is that sort of look like?

4423
04:04:24,300 --> 04:04:29,600
What does that look like?
It looks like a Ram or looks

4424
04:04:29,600 --> 04:04:34,700
like a Ram with horns and that
the face of profile is this is a

4425
04:04:34,700 --> 04:04:36,400
profile of a sheep.
Clearly, look at that one.

4426
04:04:36,400 --> 04:04:37,800
Yep.
Wow.

4427
04:04:37,800 --> 04:04:42,100
These are all Hopewell artifacts
looking like lambs and they have

4428
04:04:42,100 --> 04:04:44,600
the copper goat horns and so
forth.

4429
04:04:44,600 --> 04:04:48,400
I just proper Gore horn here in
on display there.

4430
04:04:48,400 --> 04:04:52,200
So the plant the plants and
button and the Book of Mormon

4431
04:04:52,200 --> 04:04:55,300
talked about barley wheat, corn,
seam and NEOS and Vineyards and

4432
04:04:55,308 --> 04:04:59,200
grapes and so forth.
Those plants don't exist in

4433
04:04:59,200 --> 04:05:02,500
Central America.
No, no, not even there.

4434
04:05:02,500 --> 04:05:07,400
So, so the right.
And the question that Amber Lee

4435
04:05:07,400 --> 04:05:11,700
would ask is why would God send
his Covenant people to a

4436
04:05:11,700 --> 04:05:17,000
Promised Land That.
He was requiring them to live

4437
04:05:17,000 --> 04:05:19,900
the laws of Moses and yet they
couldn't possibly do it because

4438
04:05:19,900 --> 04:05:22,400
the plants and animals that are
required to live, a lot of Moses

4439
04:05:22,400 --> 04:05:24,900
don't even exist there, makes no
sense.

4440
04:05:24,900 --> 04:05:28,000
Yep.
So it's just interesting, you

4441
04:05:28,000 --> 04:05:31,300
know, so in wheat here, found by
the Norris around 818, you know,

4442
04:05:31,308 --> 04:05:34,900
1000 add, you know, barley was
a, was a prominent crop among

4443
04:05:34,900 --> 04:05:36,400
the Hopewell Mound bill is in
Illinois.

4444
04:05:36,400 --> 04:05:39,500
Okay.
Barley's important to their to

4445
04:05:39,500 --> 04:05:41,100
their calendar system.
I don't have time to explain all

4446
04:05:41,100 --> 04:05:42,300
that but it's really
fascinating.

4447
04:05:42,300 --> 04:05:45,500
How barley is actually a part of
their calendar system and you

4448
04:05:45,508 --> 04:05:46,700
have to have barley to keep
your.

4449
04:05:46,700 --> 04:05:49,800
If you're on a lunar base
calendar system, you're always

4450
04:05:49,800 --> 04:05:52,900
going to be off of the solar
base calendar system.

4451
04:05:52,900 --> 04:05:55,300
So you need to know when the
solar system is so, you know,

4452
04:05:55,300 --> 04:05:58,500
when to print plant and when to
harvest and stuff, gotcha, well,

4453
04:05:58,500 --> 04:06:00,800
that's all gonna get messed up.
If you don't have barely, like I

4454
04:06:00,800 --> 04:06:03,400
don't have time to explain that.
But they talked about having

4455
04:06:03,400 --> 04:06:05,500
immense.
Herds of cows is from Champlain

4456
04:06:05,500 --> 04:06:09,600
grapes and Vineyards for the
kudosh cup which is part of the

4457
04:06:09,600 --> 04:06:11,300
laws of Moses you have to have
that.

4458
04:06:12,100 --> 04:06:16,900
Oh, Finland means the United
States.

4459
04:06:16,900 --> 04:06:19,300
The America was first called
Vinland.

4460
04:06:20,200 --> 04:06:23,900
Which means finally, And there's
three different kinds of grapes

4461
04:06:23,900 --> 04:06:26,600
that are indigenous to North
America, but not one of those is

4462
04:06:26,600 --> 04:06:31,900
indigenous to central America.
And you know, they kept a lot of

4463
04:06:31,908 --> 04:06:34,600
Moses, the holy the Sabbath day.
And again, you know, they have

4464
04:06:34,608 --> 04:06:38,000
the 20-day account.
And you have the third 13 Day,

4465
04:06:38,000 --> 04:06:40,300
Count, neither one of those are
divisible by seven.

4466
04:06:40,300 --> 04:06:44,200
You don't have any way to have a
seven-day consistent deal,

4467
04:06:44,200 --> 04:06:47,600
unless you're on a solid, on a
lunar base calendar system.

4468
04:06:47,600 --> 04:06:51,000
And of course the the Mayans
weren't weren't that way.

4469
04:06:51,000 --> 04:06:54,400
So, when it comes down to, you
know, all of the, the plants and

4470
04:06:54,400 --> 04:06:57,100
animals required to live the
laws of Moses, every one of them

4471
04:06:57,100 --> 04:07:01,700
is available in North America,
none of them except for Palms

4472
04:07:01,700 --> 04:07:03,600
are available in Central
America.

4473
04:07:04,700 --> 04:07:08,000
Pretty overwhelming.
Alex.

4474
04:07:08,000 --> 04:07:13,200
Look at Hopewell Mal Builder
pipes that were indicative of

4475
04:07:13,200 --> 04:07:16,100
the civilization clearly in the
shape of elephants.

4476
04:07:17,500 --> 04:07:20,200
You know, we have back in the
midwest, we have elephants all

4477
04:07:20,200 --> 04:07:23,600
over the place.
This this particular, masked on

4478
04:07:23,600 --> 04:07:27,100
I say, elephant, I'm talking
about elephants mastodons all

4479
04:07:27,100 --> 04:07:28,300
combined.
Yep.

4480
04:07:28,300 --> 04:07:31,700
Anyway, so this is this is
actually in the Ohio, history

4481
04:07:31,700 --> 04:07:35,600
connection. you know, there's
everywhere in the midwestern

4482
04:07:35,600 --> 04:07:39,800
part of the United States, there
are elephant remains I mean,

4483
04:07:39,808 --> 04:07:42,800
literally where'd you go in
Indiana or whatever?

4484
04:07:42,800 --> 04:07:46,200
We went to a called a place
called Big, Bone, Lick.

4485
04:07:46,200 --> 04:07:50,900
They've got elephant stuff there
and it kind of like, Libre tar,

4486
04:07:50,900 --> 04:07:53,600
pit, sort of, right?
This is Cafe because this has

4487
04:07:53,600 --> 04:07:55,900
been a big one for Against The
Book of Mormon.

4488
04:07:55,900 --> 04:07:59,700
What about horses?
And we could do a whole two-hour

4489
04:07:59,700 --> 04:08:01,700
presentation on horses in the
Book of Mormon.

4490
04:08:01,700 --> 04:08:05,200
But this is a pipe that was made
by the Hopewell mom that people

4491
04:08:05,200 --> 04:08:08,200
and what the that sort of look
like.

4492
04:08:09,100 --> 04:08:11,200
The head of that thing kind of
like a horse.

4493
04:08:12,300 --> 04:08:14,900
See that.
Yep, looks like a horse.

4494
04:08:16,100 --> 04:08:18,600
You put it over the top of the
stylized when like that.

4495
04:08:19,700 --> 04:08:22,200
It's pretty similar.
The only thing is where the bowl

4496
04:08:22,200 --> 04:08:25,600
is its head is kind of sunken in
right there because where the

4497
04:08:25,600 --> 04:08:28,400
Bold goes, but other than that,
it's actually pretty close.

4498
04:08:28,400 --> 04:08:32,500
Yeah, it is right.
A vultures are mentioned in the

4499
04:08:32,508 --> 04:08:35,300
Book of Mormon who we have
copper vultures by the hope of

4500
04:08:35,300 --> 04:08:37,700
Melbourne other people wolves or
talked about in The Book of

4501
04:08:37,700 --> 04:08:40,400
Mormon and we have wolves in
their pipes as well.

4502
04:08:40,408 --> 04:08:42,200
So we know that they had the
Wolves as well.

4503
04:08:42,208 --> 04:08:47,000
This is a dog or a wolf thing
that they made their here's that

4504
04:08:47,000 --> 04:08:51,500
cut wolf mandibles.
So these are actually both Jaws

4505
04:08:51,500 --> 04:08:54,700
that they found in Hopewell
mound builder site.

4506
04:08:54,700 --> 04:08:57,400
So we know that they knew about,
they had of known about wolves

4507
04:08:57,400 --> 04:09:00,000
and they specifically mention
him in the Book of Mormon.

4508
04:09:00,000 --> 04:09:01,400
But wolves are not found in
Central.

4509
04:09:01,400 --> 04:09:04,400
America coyotes are but not
wolves right?

4510
04:09:04,400 --> 04:09:08,200
This is a dog.
Wow.

4511
04:09:08,200 --> 04:09:12,500
Actually actual dog that was
buried along with other Hopewell

4512
04:09:12,500 --> 04:09:14,500
mound builder stuff, so we know
that they had dogs.

4513
04:09:14,500 --> 04:09:17,100
Of course, the book Mormon
talked about, like, you know, a

4514
04:09:17,100 --> 04:09:18,700
dog going back to its vomit or
something.

4515
04:09:18,708 --> 04:09:19,800
I think.
Yep talks about.

4516
04:09:19,808 --> 04:09:23,200
So, it talks about dogs, it had
a written language, that happens

4517
04:09:23,200 --> 04:09:26,100
to be Hebrew.
Like going to this for two more

4518
04:09:26,100 --> 04:09:29,700
hours about just these these
these snow the very comfortable

4519
04:09:29,700 --> 04:09:31,800
show.
But yet they're here, they are

4520
04:09:31,800 --> 04:09:35,500
Hebrew.
This is a keystone.

4521
04:09:37,000 --> 04:09:39,700
America on Earth.
One of the guys, not even a

4522
04:09:39,700 --> 04:09:41,700
member of our, you know, who he
is.

4523
04:09:41,700 --> 04:09:42,800
Yep.
Got Walter.

4524
04:09:42,800 --> 04:09:46,000
Yeah, he's actually an atheist
as I understand it.

4525
04:09:46,000 --> 04:09:49,400
But basically it's a frenzy
geologist and he did a study on

4526
04:09:49,400 --> 04:09:55,200
both of this, this this sound,
the the Ah, this is called the

4527
04:09:55,200 --> 04:09:58,600
decalogue Stone here and also
the Keystone and also the Back

4528
04:09:58,600 --> 04:10:02,400
Creek Stone. and he's looked at
all, three of them, and this is

4529
04:10:02,400 --> 04:10:05,600
what he said specifically about
the The.

4530
04:10:07,500 --> 04:10:11,600
Let's see which one was this?
This was the the decalogue

4531
04:10:11,600 --> 04:10:13,000
Stone.
He says, geologically.

4532
04:10:13,000 --> 04:10:15,400
I don't see any problems here,
that would make these things

4533
04:10:15,400 --> 04:10:17,600
obvious.
Hoaxes, the evidence seems

4534
04:10:17,600 --> 04:10:20,200
clear, there's no reason not to
accept these as genuine

4535
04:10:20,200 --> 04:10:23,500
legitimate artifacts and here
they are with Hebrew writing on

4536
04:10:23,500 --> 04:10:26,400
them.
In Hopewell builder stuff, he's

4537
04:10:26,400 --> 04:10:30,100
got no dog in this fight.
He got yeah, no, Darkness fight

4538
04:10:30,100 --> 04:10:32,600
back.
This is one of the best ones he

4539
04:10:32,600 --> 04:10:34,800
did.
It's, this is the Back Creek

4540
04:10:34,800 --> 04:10:36,500
Stone.
He actually looked at with a

4541
04:10:36,500 --> 04:10:39,900
scanning electron microscopy.
This was found by the

4542
04:10:39,900 --> 04:10:45,300
Smithsonian and official dig,
and, and then, then it was, it

4543
04:10:45,300 --> 04:10:48,400
was published in the Smithsonian
publication.

4544
04:10:48,400 --> 04:10:52,800
And then, like, 75 years later,
the publication was found by

4545
04:10:52,800 --> 04:10:56,900
this other lady Henrietta merch.
And she actually was looking at

4546
04:10:56,900 --> 04:10:59,900
the desk and she was looking at
upside down and she realized

4547
04:10:59,900 --> 04:11:02,900
that the Smithsonian had
published The Stone upside down.

4548
04:11:02,900 --> 04:11:07,100
The Smithsonian has said that
this was actually some kind of a

4549
04:11:07,100 --> 04:11:12,300
Paleo Cherokee script.
When you look at the Stony flip

4550
04:11:12,300 --> 04:11:15,100
it upside down, it's perfectly
legible Hebrew characters.

4551
04:11:18,300 --> 04:11:22,200
And anyway so that they became
controversial for 75 years.

4552
04:11:22,200 --> 04:11:24,900
It wasn't controversially only
became controversial when they

4553
04:11:24,908 --> 04:11:27,000
started to say oh there was
Hebrews here.

4554
04:11:27,900 --> 04:11:33,800
Yeah, yeah, that, yeah, yeah.
So when you put the whole thing

4555
04:11:33,800 --> 04:11:36,600
together, I mean, it's just
fascinating, you know, this,

4556
04:11:36,600 --> 04:11:41,300
that this this is another survey
by the Smithsonian on the, on

4557
04:11:41,300 --> 04:11:42,800
the right hand side there.
You see that one?

4558
04:11:42,800 --> 04:11:46,100
It looks kind of like a menorah,
like a menorah, right?

4559
04:11:46,100 --> 04:11:52,400
Yep, this is actually when it
was, it was Surveyed.

4560
04:11:52,400 --> 04:11:57,200
So it has how many feet like
that Menorah. 766 feet wide.

4561
04:11:57,200 --> 04:12:00,200
Wow.
That's seven foot football

4562
04:12:00,200 --> 04:12:02,400
fields wide right?
Or no these feet.

4563
04:12:02,400 --> 04:12:08,800
So that's um, yes about 100 feet
per Yeah football field.

4564
04:12:08,800 --> 04:12:10,600
So yeah that's about seven
football fields wide.

4565
04:12:11,300 --> 04:12:13,300
No.
Excuse me, it's 100 yards. 100

4566
04:12:13,300 --> 04:12:15,000
yards.
So 300 feet, so it's just over

4567
04:12:15,000 --> 04:12:17,600
two football fields long.
That's about two football fields

4568
04:12:17,600 --> 04:12:19,700
long.
So you know what, what would be

4569
04:12:19,708 --> 04:12:21,100
the reason for that?
I mean, look at that.

4570
04:12:21,100 --> 04:12:25,200
Each one of those.
Those things come down to a dead

4571
04:12:25,200 --> 04:12:29,100
end.
Right, there's no purpose for

4572
04:12:29,100 --> 04:12:30,800
that.
If you take a look at up above

4573
04:12:30,800 --> 04:12:34,100
on the top of that, whether that
look like looks like a lamp.

4574
04:12:34,900 --> 04:12:36,400
Yeah, look like an oil lamp.
Right.

4575
04:12:36,400 --> 04:12:39,100
Yep.
It also has a couple of other

4576
04:12:39,108 --> 04:12:41,500
symbols that are kind of
interesting just to the left of

4577
04:12:41,500 --> 04:12:44,400
the oil lamp.
Is it is a compass.

4578
04:12:46,200 --> 04:12:49,000
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
Yep, for sure.

4579
04:12:49,000 --> 04:12:52,200
And on the lower right hand side
is a square.

4580
04:12:53,000 --> 04:12:55,100
Yep.
Holy cow.

4581
04:12:56,300 --> 04:13:01,400
Again, if I had my longer
presentation about this, I could

4582
04:13:01,400 --> 04:13:05,600
show you that, there's also the
sheen, which is that I think is

4583
04:13:05,600 --> 04:13:07,400
the 21st letter of the Hebrew
alphabet.

4584
04:13:07,400 --> 04:13:11,100
It's the the first letter in
like three or four, the sacred

4585
04:13:11,100 --> 04:13:14,400
names of God.
And, and there's a Sheen.

4586
04:13:14,400 --> 04:13:17,100
Also that was originally
associated with this, but this

4587
04:13:17,100 --> 04:13:22,800
earthwork in Ohio was so
Completely Hebrew that they

4588
04:13:22,808 --> 04:13:25,000
actually call it the Hebrew word
works for many years.

4589
04:13:25,000 --> 04:13:29,100
And then finally, he came so
controversial because there's no

4590
04:13:29,108 --> 04:13:30,600
way, no.
The Hebrews could have been

4591
04:13:30,600 --> 04:13:33,900
here, of course, right.
And so it became so

4592
04:13:33,900 --> 04:13:37,400
controversial that they, that
the US Corps of Engineers

4593
04:13:37,400 --> 04:13:40,000
actually came out here with
dozers back in the forties and

4594
04:13:40,000 --> 04:13:41,800
they do this whole site out of
the existing.

4595
04:13:41,800 --> 04:13:47,000
Oh, it's completely gone now.
Oh, but there's at least two or

4596
04:13:47,000 --> 04:13:48,100
three.
Yeah.

4597
04:13:48,100 --> 04:13:53,100
Like I said, this was from the
like 1851 surveys.

4598
04:13:53,100 --> 04:13:56,400
They're actually published in
books so we know that it was

4599
04:13:56,400 --> 04:13:57,100
there.
You know?

4600
04:13:57,108 --> 04:14:02,900
It did exist but now it's gone.
Here's some other oil lamps this

4601
04:14:02,900 --> 04:14:06,300
oil, lamp here in the, in the
lower lower center of the of the

4602
04:14:06,300 --> 04:14:09,600
image here is actually across
the river from Nauvoo, that's

4603
04:14:09,600 --> 04:14:11,400
where it was found.
Wow.

4604
04:14:13,000 --> 04:14:15,600
In other words, is there a hemla
along with these other

4605
04:14:15,600 --> 04:14:18,700
artifacts?
And then we have the destruction

4606
04:14:18,700 --> 04:14:19,800
around the time of Christ's
death.

4607
04:14:19,808 --> 04:14:23,700
Basically, we have an 1811812,
the largest sequence of

4608
04:14:23,700 --> 04:14:26,700
earthquakes that ever happened
in North America or in the

4609
04:14:26,708 --> 04:14:30,300
Americas at all.
Right over 2000.

4610
04:14:30,300 --> 04:14:32,400
Earthquakes over the course of
about five months.

4611
04:14:32,400 --> 04:14:36,000
Averaging, 17 earthquakes a day.
Oh, on an average.

4612
04:14:37,100 --> 04:14:40,200
And and it was basically right
underneath the Hopewell mound.

4613
04:14:40,200 --> 04:14:41,800
Builders civilization.
Yep.

4614
04:14:41,800 --> 04:14:44,100
Yep.
You need the New Jersey and we

4615
04:14:44,100 --> 04:14:47,900
believe we've been able to
actually identify and actually

4616
04:14:47,900 --> 04:14:51,900
isolate the exact event
geologically that is being

4617
04:14:51,900 --> 04:14:54,800
described by Nephi in the Book
of Mormon at the time of Christ,

4618
04:14:54,800 --> 04:14:59,400
death, Oh, we actually can we
know what what that was.

4619
04:14:59,400 --> 04:15:03,300
I mean and how far it affected
and what happened and it's just

4620
04:15:03,300 --> 04:15:05,500
absolutely astounding with USGS
information.

4621
04:15:06,400 --> 04:15:11,200
About things that happened.
There's 28 observations made by

4622
04:15:11,200 --> 04:15:14,300
the profanity friend, The Book
of Mormon about what happened at

4623
04:15:14,300 --> 04:15:18,500
the time of Christ's death and
out of those 28, every single

4624
04:15:18,500 --> 04:15:20,500
one of them were actually
observed in 1811.

4625
04:15:20,500 --> 04:15:24,900
And 1812 in sequence of
earthquakes all the way down to

4626
04:15:24,908 --> 04:15:26,600
the three days of darkness was
observed.

4627
04:15:27,400 --> 04:15:29,200
Holy cow, it's just it's
astounding.

4628
04:15:29,200 --> 04:15:32,500
I mean every every single aspect
some people have thought that

4629
04:15:32,500 --> 04:15:35,900
the only explanation for what
happened at the time of Christ's

4630
04:15:35,900 --> 04:15:38,800
death is the volcano or volcanic
eruption of some sort.

4631
04:15:38,800 --> 04:15:41,700
But there's no volcano mention
the Book of Mormon and clearly,

4632
04:15:41,700 --> 04:15:44,600
volcano is something that Joe
Smith and his family would have

4633
04:15:44,608 --> 04:15:48,700
been known about, right?
Driven out of Vermont because of

4634
04:15:48,700 --> 04:15:51,600
the volcano over there and
Indonesia.

4635
04:15:51,600 --> 04:15:53,000
There was yep.
Yep.

4636
04:15:54,000 --> 04:15:55,900
Anyway, so we're just about done
online.

4637
04:15:55,900 --> 04:15:59,800
Is that in New York, this is the
Antiquities of the state of New

4638
04:15:59,800 --> 04:16:04,300
York, okay, by EG Square.
He was one of the guys that was

4639
04:16:04,300 --> 04:16:08,800
originally with the Smithsonian.
When they did the The book on

4640
04:16:08,800 --> 04:16:14,400
the about the Mississippi, and
the right answer, Mississippi

4641
04:16:14,400 --> 04:16:20,800
Valley, that was an 1849.
This is an 1851 in this book,

4642
04:16:20,800 --> 04:16:24,000
which I actually this, this, the
image here is actually of my

4643
04:16:24,000 --> 04:16:26,100
personal book.
I actually bought an original

4644
04:16:26,100 --> 04:16:29,000
copy of this.
They have an entire.

4645
04:16:31,000 --> 04:16:33,700
Let's see if it's got, okay,
they have an entire chapter on

4646
04:16:33,700 --> 04:16:39,500
the bone.
Pets of Western New York, Holy

4647
04:16:39,500 --> 04:16:41,200
cow.
Is there a various sizes?

4648
04:16:41,200 --> 04:16:45,200
Usually container of skeletons
and Cambria Niagara County,

4649
04:16:45,200 --> 04:16:47,700
that's again, Western New York
was estimated to contain the

4650
04:16:47,700 --> 04:16:49,200
bones of several thousand
individuals.

4651
04:16:49,200 --> 04:16:52,900
What I believe is that the final
battles of around the Hill

4652
04:16:52,900 --> 04:16:57,200
Cumorah that those battles were
all over Western New York and it

4653
04:16:57,200 --> 04:17:01,000
and it basically culminated at
Kamara, I would make sense,

4654
04:17:01,000 --> 04:17:04,900
right?
I mean, very rarely do Wars get

4655
04:17:04,900 --> 04:17:09,100
contained in one specific.
Small Java location.

4656
04:17:09,900 --> 04:17:12,000
Yeah, there's battles and
skirmishes going on all over the

4657
04:17:12,008 --> 04:17:13,500
place.
And so they have all these, all

4658
04:17:13,500 --> 04:17:15,600
these desks born marks of
violence.

4659
04:17:15,600 --> 04:17:19,200
They talked about in page, 100,
it was a pit excavated a deep

4660
04:17:19,208 --> 04:17:23,100
depth of four, five feet filled
with human bones. 100 seem to

4661
04:17:23,100 --> 04:17:25,300
have been thrown in
promiscuously, both sexes and

4662
04:17:25,300 --> 04:17:28,800
all ages.
Numerous points for found among

4663
04:17:28,800 --> 04:17:30,700
the bones.
Otherwise, this wasn't just a

4664
04:17:30,700 --> 04:17:32,100
battle.
This was an extermination.

4665
04:17:32,100 --> 04:17:34,400
This was an ethnic cleansing.
Yes.

4666
04:17:34,400 --> 04:17:36,000
Yeah.
This is extermination.

4667
04:17:36,000 --> 04:17:40,600
Yeah, so says an Excavating, the
canal is to talk about the Erie

4668
04:17:40,600 --> 04:17:42,800
Canal.
That that through the bank,

4669
04:17:42,800 --> 04:17:45,100
another burial place was
disclosed, definitely more

4670
04:17:45,100 --> 04:17:48,200
ancient for the bones crumbled
to Pieces owns the media product

4671
04:17:48,200 --> 04:17:50,400
exposure, to the air, and the
number of skeletons are

4672
04:17:50,400 --> 04:17:51,500
representative, who have been
countless?

4673
04:17:51,500 --> 04:17:55,800
Holy cow.
And so, I mean, this is this is

4674
04:17:55,800 --> 04:17:57,800
planetary history of the Holland
purchase of Western New York.

4675
04:17:57,808 --> 04:18:00,500
This is a different book that
came out in 1849.

4676
04:18:00,500 --> 04:18:04,800
This is before the the
Antiquities of New York book

4677
04:18:04,800 --> 04:18:08,600
right by just a couple of years
and it talks about how that

4678
04:18:08,600 --> 04:18:12,000
authors been to this place, it
was there was a pit filled the

4679
04:18:12,000 --> 04:18:15,500
death of fortify feet filled
with human bones, hundreds or

4680
04:18:15,500 --> 04:18:17,600
thrown in both sexes.
All ages.

4681
04:18:17,600 --> 04:18:21,400
It was a general Massacre.
And they got they go on to say

4682
04:18:21,400 --> 04:18:24,100
that they have that this is at
least the final Battlefield

4683
04:18:24,100 --> 04:18:26,900
predominate.
He says that here was a war of

4684
04:18:26,908 --> 04:18:29,600
extermination we may conclude
from the masses of human

4685
04:18:29,600 --> 04:18:31,400
skeletons.
We find in discriminately thrown

4686
04:18:31,400 --> 04:18:34,400
together indicated.
A common simultaneously curve

4687
04:18:34,400 --> 04:18:37,800
with age infancy sex.
No condition was exempt.

4688
04:18:37,800 --> 04:18:42,200
They killed everyone.
And that's from 1849.

4689
04:18:43,200 --> 04:18:46,500
This is just after Joseph
Smith's death, and these things

4690
04:18:46,500 --> 04:18:49,500
were coming out.
I mean, look at these massive

4691
04:18:49,500 --> 04:18:55,400
bones pets and so forth, won't
go into all that, but he's so if

4692
04:18:55,400 --> 04:18:58,700
you want to get more
information, There's so much

4693
04:18:58,700 --> 04:19:00,300
more.
I mean, we go for two weeks on

4694
04:19:00,300 --> 04:19:05,500
our tours and we cover about
half of it and that's eight or

4695
04:19:05,500 --> 04:19:11,300
nine hours a day for two weeks.
That's the amount of stuff I've

4696
04:19:11,300 --> 04:19:13,100
had to leave out in our
interview here.

4697
04:19:13,100 --> 04:19:16,600
Dave is astonishing, but but we
covered a lot of stuff though.

4698
04:19:16,600 --> 04:19:20,300
We did Cover a lot of stuff and
man, I, I know you're busy.

4699
04:19:20,300 --> 04:19:23,100
So the fact that you spent the
amount of time you did here with

4700
04:19:23,100 --> 04:19:26,700
me, I can't have hours brother
you go.

4701
04:19:26,700 --> 04:19:27,700
It goes quick though, doesn't
it?

4702
04:19:27,700 --> 04:19:31,300
I mean when when you're talking
about stuff that interests you

4703
04:19:31,300 --> 04:19:33,500
it goes quick, right?
I can't.

4704
04:19:33,500 --> 04:19:37,300
I can't tell you how much I
appreciate you spending your

4705
04:19:37,300 --> 04:19:38,800
time with me.
I know you're busy.

4706
04:19:38,800 --> 04:19:42,000
But man, this is this is good
stuff.

4707
04:19:42,000 --> 04:19:45,900
It's important stuff, right?
Because as we've talked about

4708
04:19:45,900 --> 04:19:51,300
all this, it should lead us to
one place. and that's first.

4709
04:19:52,400 --> 04:19:56,100
To the idea that the Book of
Mormon is real, right?

4710
04:19:56,100 --> 04:20:03,500
It's not inspired fiction, it is
not biblical fanfiction, it's

4711
04:20:03,500 --> 04:20:06,000
telling the story of actual
people.

4712
04:20:07,000 --> 04:20:10,600
And I can't think of a better
time that I'm gonna release this

4713
04:20:10,600 --> 04:20:14,200
the next week.
Be good this Saturday as when

4714
04:20:14,200 --> 04:20:18,700
all released it because it's not
only the week of Christmas.

4715
04:20:18,700 --> 04:20:21,600
It's the week of Joseph.
Smith's birthday, yes.

4716
04:20:22,500 --> 04:20:25,800
And September 23rd.
Is it 23rd?

4717
04:20:25,800 --> 04:20:27,400
Yep.
Yep.

4718
04:20:27,400 --> 04:20:30,700
And so people will be listening
to this that whole week.

4719
04:20:31,600 --> 04:20:36,000
And I can't think of a better
episode to do because not only

4720
04:20:36,000 --> 04:20:39,300
does this testify that the Book
of Mormon is real, if it's real,

4721
04:20:39,300 --> 04:20:44,700
that means Joseph, prophetic
calling was 100% real and the

4722
04:20:44,700 --> 04:20:49,000
principles and the idea the
principles and the truths that

4723
04:20:49,008 --> 04:20:53,800
He restored are 100% real, and
we can take it to the bank, it

4724
04:20:53,800 --> 04:20:59,000
doesn't have to just be a, an
exercise of the heart, that's

4725
04:20:59,000 --> 04:21:02,200
where it should start start.
That's where you should get your

4726
04:21:02,200 --> 04:21:04,600
testimony.
But these are things that we can

4727
04:21:04,600 --> 04:21:07,900
point to, to point to the
validity of our faith in Our

4728
04:21:07,900 --> 04:21:10,800
Truth claims as Mormons across
the board.

4729
04:21:10,800 --> 04:21:16,300
Whether you're you're an active
member of the LDS church or a

4730
04:21:16,300 --> 04:21:18,800
crazy, Fundy.
Like me, you should be able to

4731
04:21:18,800 --> 04:21:22,800
take this to the bank and and be
able to rest your hat on the

4732
04:21:22,800 --> 04:21:27,000
fact that Joseph's prepaid
calling was true and then it all

4733
04:21:27,000 --> 04:21:31,400
ultimately, testifies of Christ.
So that's the reason why I

4734
04:21:31,600 --> 04:21:36,100
appreciate being able to come in
and talk to to you, you know,

4735
04:21:36,100 --> 04:21:40,000
basically my feeling is that
anybody who loves the book and

4736
04:21:41,200 --> 04:21:45,100
It's a friend of mine.
I feel the same way and I I've

4737
04:21:45,100 --> 04:21:49,200
had so many wonderful friends
from, you know, different Faith

4738
04:21:49,200 --> 04:21:52,100
groups and so forth that are,
you know, you know, they're all

4739
04:21:52,108 --> 04:21:55,900
of the Book of Mormon and, and
Joseph Smith, and we may have,

4740
04:21:55,908 --> 04:21:57,500
you know, some differences in
some areas.

4741
04:21:57,500 --> 04:22:02,700
But in this area, we can be one
Said that the Book of Mormon.

4742
04:22:02,700 --> 04:22:06,300
I've said this for a long time,
there is way more that unites us

4743
04:22:06,300 --> 04:22:09,900
than separates us.
And what's interesting is, as we

4744
04:22:09,900 --> 04:22:13,600
have our, I mean, the same
issues that the LDS church

4745
04:22:13,600 --> 04:22:15,400
faces.
A lot of them are the same ones

4746
04:22:15,400 --> 04:22:17,700
that we face, right, attacks on
our faith.

4747
04:22:17,700 --> 04:22:23,000
And I found it discouraging at
times that were more content to

4748
04:22:23,000 --> 04:22:25,700
fight against each other.
Meanwhile, the real adversary of

4749
04:22:25,700 --> 04:22:27,300
us all is trying to burn down
the house.

4750
04:22:32,200 --> 04:22:33,100
Percent true.
Yeah.

4751
04:22:34,200 --> 04:22:37,900
I've used I've used that same
kind of analogy, but a massive

4752
04:22:37,900 --> 04:22:40,700
football thing, you know.
But but the mesoamerica guys,

4753
04:22:40,700 --> 04:22:44,400
and US, yeah, because the Lord
has said, if you're not one,

4754
04:22:44,400 --> 04:22:48,000
you're not mine, right, right?
And then, in this, this this

4755
04:22:48,000 --> 04:22:50,400
geography, The Book of Mormon is
that camp.

4756
04:22:50,400 --> 04:22:53,100
We're really kind of not one, we
had the Amazing America

4757
04:22:53,100 --> 04:22:54,700
Heartland kind of going back and
forth.

4758
04:22:54,700 --> 04:23:01,400
And and I really just feel like
that if we could ever get, you

4759
04:23:01,400 --> 04:23:06,400
know, on board with everybody on
on, you know, whatever the truth

4760
04:23:06,400 --> 04:23:08,600
is, you know, and write make
that happen.

4761
04:23:08,600 --> 04:23:12,000
You know, how much more we could
take the Book of Mormon Message

4762
04:23:12,000 --> 04:23:14,000
to the world.
Absolutely so much more

4763
04:23:14,000 --> 04:23:17,100
powerful.
Yeah, absolutely back to the

4764
04:23:17,100 --> 04:23:18,900
football analogy.
So I said, yeah, it's kind of

4765
04:23:18,908 --> 04:23:22,700
like, here we are.
We're all in the same team and

4766
04:23:22,700 --> 04:23:25,800
basically, well, we're arguing
whether we're gonna take it up

4767
04:23:25,808 --> 04:23:30,200
the middle or go do an end run
or go for a long bomb pass or

4768
04:23:30,200 --> 04:23:32,200
something.
Rather, while we're arguing

4769
04:23:32,200 --> 04:23:34,100
about that the other team is
Kik.

4770
04:23:34,200 --> 04:23:36,500
Her behinds down the field.
That's exactly right.

4771
04:23:36,500 --> 04:23:40,300
That's exactly right.
Let's stop arguing.

4772
04:23:40,300 --> 04:23:43,100
Just call a plain man.
Let's do it right?

4773
04:23:43,100 --> 04:23:47,000
Absolutely I couldn't I couldn't
agree with you more and look.

4774
04:23:47,000 --> 04:23:49,800
The more voice is out there
saying that Joseph was a true

4775
04:23:49,800 --> 04:23:52,800
Prophet, The Book of Mormon is
real and the ordinances are

4776
04:23:52,800 --> 04:23:57,000
valid.
That we we can get along all

4777
04:23:57,000 --> 04:23:59,000
day.
We met, I've often said, we may

4778
04:23:59,000 --> 04:24:01,800
not be able to just hug it out
on Sundays, but we better figure

4779
04:24:01,800 --> 04:24:04,300
out how to work together on
Saturdays and have a barbecue.

4780
04:24:05,200 --> 04:24:08,000
Oh, I think we can have.
I think we can hang out on

4781
04:24:08,000 --> 04:24:09,700
Sundays too.
We I think we can.

4782
04:24:09,700 --> 04:24:12,000
I think we can't.
There's there's so much more

4783
04:24:12,000 --> 04:24:15,000
that that joins us.
The divides us.

4784
04:24:15,000 --> 04:24:17,400
It's it's really ridiculous that
we spend the time.

4785
04:24:17,400 --> 04:24:20,700
Wait, I don't know, I shouldn't
say wasted time because there's

4786
04:24:20,700 --> 04:24:23,100
there's fundamental difference,
right?

4787
04:24:23,100 --> 04:24:26,300
Sure.
But but we can all at least if

4788
04:24:26,300 --> 04:24:27,900
nothing else we can be
christ-like.

4789
04:24:27,900 --> 04:24:30,200
Yep.
And we can love each other and

4790
04:24:30,200 --> 04:24:33,400
and and help each other and do
all we can for each other.

4791
04:24:33,400 --> 04:24:39,000
And we don't have to see.
I I mean, I I I'm gonna finish

4792
04:24:39,000 --> 04:24:43,200
up with that and that's
basically, you know, people ask

4793
04:24:43,200 --> 04:24:44,700
me all the time.
Well, you know, doesn't make you

4794
04:24:44,700 --> 04:24:47,300
upset when people don't agree
with you, you know, and don't

4795
04:24:47,300 --> 04:24:50,100
don't get it, they don't, you
know, they don't accept your

4796
04:24:50,100 --> 04:24:55,200
your theories or whatever.
Your model and look at basically

4797
04:24:55,200 --> 04:24:57,400
say, you know what, if our
heavenly father can't get a

4798
04:24:57,400 --> 04:24:59,000
third of his kids to listen to
his plan.

4799
04:24:59,000 --> 04:25:00,800
Then it's not going to bother me
too much.

4800
04:25:00,800 --> 04:25:04,100
If a few people don't don't
agree with me, you know.

4801
04:25:04,100 --> 04:25:05,000
Right.
Right.

4802
04:25:05,000 --> 04:25:10,700
Absolutely, absolutely well man
and good stuff.

4803
04:25:10,700 --> 04:25:18,100
Thanks for taking the time Rod.
I really really care about 13

4804
04:25:18,100 --> 04:25:19,300
sections or something.
I don't know.

4805
04:25:19,300 --> 04:25:26,000
No no I I do long format because
quite frankly Good luck

4806
04:25:26,000 --> 04:25:30,000
explaining anything in,
Mormonism in 45 minutes, right?

4807
04:25:30,000 --> 04:25:34,200
I mean, good luck.
People have a pause button.

4808
04:25:34,208 --> 04:25:37,400
They can stop at when they want
and pick it back up again.

4809
04:25:37,400 --> 04:25:41,900
So, but if they want to learn
more about this information, you

4810
04:25:41,900 --> 04:25:45,300
can go to our primary website is
bookmark, an evidence.org.

4811
04:25:46,100 --> 04:25:49,700
Okay, and we are we also have
the largest repository of

4812
04:25:49,700 --> 04:25:52,400
information research that's ever
been, you know, completely

4813
04:25:52,400 --> 04:25:55,700
assembled basically which is our
streaming website.

4814
04:25:55,700 --> 04:26:00,600
We have over 1700 one hour
presentations by over 450

4815
04:26:00,600 --> 04:26:05,300
experts in every every
imaginable field of research on

4816
04:26:05,300 --> 04:26:10,500
the Book of Mormon there that
website is like was it like

4817
04:26:10,500 --> 04:26:12,800
seven or eight bucks a month or
something for, you know, to

4818
04:26:12,800 --> 04:26:16,700
access all of that.
We also have I have here with me

4819
04:26:16,700 --> 04:26:19,200
to have the annotated edition of
The Book of Mormon.

4820
04:26:19,208 --> 04:26:23,300
If you want to get a copy, this
is a it's the most advanced

4821
04:26:23,300 --> 04:26:25,400
Edition.
It has the words of Christ are

4822
04:26:25,400 --> 04:26:28,200
in red, birds of so forth.
They're in blue, it's

4823
04:26:28,200 --> 04:26:33,300
reformatted the original text so
that actually reads more like an

4824
04:26:33,300 --> 04:26:37,200
actual English language book
with you know when there's

4825
04:26:37,200 --> 04:26:40,200
direct quotes it's indented and
put in quotation marks for

4826
04:26:40,200 --> 04:26:43,600
example and it has about 260
pages of insights and

4827
04:26:43,600 --> 04:26:49,200
information and research that
that it's from the Heartland

4828
04:26:49,200 --> 04:26:52,100
perspective.
But but I think you're going to

4829
04:26:52,100 --> 04:26:54,600
find it, really fascinating.
Has all the stuff about the the

4830
04:26:54,600 --> 04:26:59,800
laws of Moses and about the that
that You know, the Newark

4831
04:26:59,800 --> 04:27:02,100
Earthworks with the Plan of
Salvation and so forth in it.

4832
04:27:02,800 --> 04:27:04,300
So it's a really phenomenal
book.

4833
04:27:04,300 --> 04:27:07,400
If you go to our website you can
get a copy of that would know.

4834
04:27:07,400 --> 04:27:12,300
And then we also have a brand
new one that's I think some of

4835
04:27:12,300 --> 04:27:13,600
your your audience may enjoy as
well.

4836
04:27:13,600 --> 04:27:18,600
Um, let's say annotated edition
of the revelations of Joseph

4837
04:27:18,600 --> 04:27:22,900
Smith, nice basically kind of
like the doctrine of covenants.

4838
04:27:22,900 --> 04:27:27,100
But instead of being numbered
like the like the arch Salt Lake

4839
04:27:27,108 --> 04:27:29,600
Church does basically, you know
what the numbering system there.

4840
04:27:29,600 --> 04:27:34,000
I know that a lot of the the
fundamentalist groups have

4841
04:27:34,000 --> 04:27:37,500
different you know, numbering
systems, right?

4842
04:27:37,500 --> 04:27:41,100
So this is basically just goes
chronologically as Joseph Smith

4843
04:27:41,100 --> 04:27:45,900
received these right now, just
has the words of God or in

4844
04:27:45,900 --> 04:27:48,900
basically in red and also has if
you can see this but you have

4845
04:27:48,908 --> 04:27:53,100
kind of like the greenish color
On the right, we can see that

4846
04:27:53,100 --> 04:27:56,700
that gives you the historical
background of what exactly is

4847
04:27:56,700 --> 04:27:59,600
going on in Joseph, Smith's life
at the time of this Revelation,

4848
04:27:59,600 --> 04:28:03,900
so you get contacts.
Yeah, it's really pretty cool.

4849
04:28:03,900 --> 04:28:06,500
And you know, that one of my
favorite things about this

4850
04:28:06,500 --> 04:28:10,600
really quickly here.
Is that it has, let me see here.

4851
04:28:10,600 --> 04:28:12,800
Brad.
Can you stop sharing your screen

4852
04:28:12,800 --> 04:28:14,300
for a minute?
So we can get a better view of

4853
04:28:14,300 --> 04:28:15,800
that?
Yeah, oh, yeah, I'm sorry.

4854
04:28:15,800 --> 04:28:24,400
Oh yeah, go into that.
It allowed here back to the

4855
04:28:24,400 --> 04:28:25,600
bottom.
Stop the shared.

4856
04:28:25,600 --> 04:28:27,300
There we go.
There we go.

4857
04:28:27,308 --> 04:28:28,500
Okay, that's a little bit
better, right?

4858
04:28:30,200 --> 04:28:37,300
Yeah, so like an example, here
you can see it says that the

4859
04:28:37,300 --> 04:28:39,900
dates section number and
location of the Revelation.

4860
04:28:39,900 --> 04:28:44,300
So this is the first one is
September. 21st of 1823 Joseph

4861
04:28:44,300 --> 04:28:46,100
Smith agent, the time was 17
years old.

4862
04:28:46,100 --> 04:28:50,200
Fascinating well realize, you
know, he was having he started

4863
04:28:50,200 --> 04:28:53,800
these Revelations at 17.
This is this is became section

4864
04:28:53,800 --> 04:28:55,800
2.
It's on page one of this book

4865
04:28:55,800 --> 04:28:58,400
and it was received originally
been Manchester New York.

4866
04:28:58,400 --> 04:29:00,200
Holy cow.
Have that?

4867
04:29:00,200 --> 04:29:03,100
Then you have, here's the
Revelation from section 2.

4868
04:29:03,100 --> 04:29:05,900
It's just really quick, just a
little short one, right?

4869
04:29:05,900 --> 04:29:09,500
But they have this whole
historical background with Joe

4870
04:29:09,500 --> 04:29:12,800
Smith, history, so forth,
talking about the the background

4871
04:29:12,800 --> 04:29:16,800
of where else came from.
So then you have yeah you have

4872
04:29:16,800 --> 04:29:21,400
no original letters and so
right, that's awesome.

4873
04:29:21,400 --> 04:29:27,100
He's happening yes.
Oh yeah.

4874
04:29:27,100 --> 04:29:29,800
Anyway, it's just a fasting, but
we have this on a special deal,

4875
04:29:29,800 --> 04:29:33,300
you know, basically this year
we're going to be studying, you

4876
04:29:33,300 --> 04:29:37,900
know, the the doctrine covers.
That's so we've got this out for

4877
04:29:37,900 --> 04:29:39,800
this.
Probably gonna be the best.

4878
04:29:41,300 --> 04:29:46,000
You know, sure, study study
guide for Covenant stuff between

4879
04:29:46,000 --> 04:29:48,600
you and I when I was going to
the Book of Mormon evidence

4880
04:29:48,600 --> 04:29:52,300
conferences, when I was living
in Utah, I may or may not have

4881
04:29:52,300 --> 04:29:54,100
bought enough to put one of your
kids through college.

4882
04:29:54,100 --> 04:29:58,500
Um, yet I haven't broke it to
either of my wives.

4883
04:29:58,500 --> 04:30:01,800
How much money that is?
They do ask me, I say

4884
04:30:01,800 --> 04:30:03,700
sweethearts, just go buy some
shoes.

4885
04:30:03,700 --> 04:30:06,800
Um, that's the best you just
don't worry about the price,

4886
04:30:06,800 --> 04:30:11,300
just buy some shoes.
Um, So back to my kids, to

4887
04:30:11,300 --> 04:30:15,300
college that, but because we
usually most of the money that

4888
04:30:15,300 --> 04:30:19,200
we've, that we've received that
sure that we're receiving

4889
04:30:19,200 --> 04:30:25,000
actually ends up going to, to
just increase in the, you know,

4890
04:30:25,008 --> 04:30:27,700
the website presents and so
forth and doing that kind of

4891
04:30:27,708 --> 04:30:29,100
stuff.
Sure, no I get it.

4892
04:30:29,100 --> 04:30:32,000
I was just, we still on.
I just yeah, I just touched

4893
04:30:32,000 --> 04:30:33,700
something on my screen.
We're still on.

4894
04:30:33,700 --> 04:30:37,100
Okay, we're still on so well
man.

4895
04:30:37,100 --> 04:30:40,000
Yeah, I can't raise enough.
If you're interested in this

4896
04:30:40,000 --> 04:30:43,100
kind of stuff, if you nerd on it
out on it, like I do, everybody

4897
04:30:43,100 --> 04:30:47,100
go to his website, Book of
Mormon evidence.org, go check it

4898
04:30:47,100 --> 04:30:49,000
out.
There's plenty of stuff there.

4899
04:30:49,000 --> 04:30:51,700
If you're hurry, you might be
able to get something delivered

4900
04:30:51,700 --> 04:30:53,500
by Christmas if you pay the
extra money.

4901
04:30:53,500 --> 04:30:56,500
Well, yeah, I don't know about
that.

4902
04:30:56,500 --> 04:30:58,700
If it's gonna make it, I'm
pretty sure.

4903
04:30:58,700 --> 04:31:02,300
Ron said he he I'm just kidding.
No, he rides does not guarantee

4904
04:31:02,300 --> 04:31:04,300
and we can ship it out as fast
as possible.

4905
04:31:04,300 --> 04:31:07,300
But I'm just telling you that
the post office this time of the

4906
04:31:07,308 --> 04:31:08,400
year.
Yeah.

4907
04:31:08,400 --> 04:31:12,200
And We usually send it medium.
Well, either Media Mail or

4908
04:31:12,200 --> 04:31:15,100
whatever but we can send it
faster but even now I don't know

4909
04:31:15,100 --> 04:31:18,100
if it's gonna make it but that's
all you Renegades out there.

4910
04:31:18,100 --> 04:31:20,300
That's right.
Yeah.

4911
04:31:20,300 --> 04:31:21,800
Well yep, what, dude, we love
you too.

4912
04:31:21,800 --> 04:31:24,200
We appreciate all the work you
put forward into this.

4913
04:31:24,200 --> 04:31:28,300
I know it's not easy but and if
you ever need a surveyor on a

4914
04:31:28,300 --> 04:31:30,000
site, you let me know.
I'll come to that for free.

4915
04:31:30,900 --> 04:31:32,600
So, right.
And I'm in the neighborhood.

4916
04:31:32,600 --> 04:31:36,600
So awesome Rod.
Thanks a bunch bud.

4917
04:31:37,600 --> 04:31:38,700
All right, bye everybody.