Episode #156: What Is At Stake In This Election W/David Pyne

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Well, given that Election Day is
just a few days away, I wanted

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to do an episode not so much
about politics, but what could

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be at stake this election.
To do that, I think we really

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need to take a look around the
globe and see what's really

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happening now to help us get a
feel for what's really going on.

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I felt like I needed to talk to
someone that is not only in the

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know, but someone who could
provide context for all that is

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happening.
For that heavy lift, I reached

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back out to David Pine.
If you recall, I had David on

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once before earlier this summer,
and he has an impressive resume

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where he was the national
security director for Mike Lee

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and defense foreign policy
adviser for former presidential

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candidate Vivek Ramaswamy.
And that's just for starters, we

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have a fascinating conversation
about what is really happening

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with all the conflicts around
the globe, what those conflicts

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could mean for America as a
country, what he thinks the

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likely outcome of the election
will be, and what the

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ramifications are of those
elections here in America.

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David, how you doing?
Doing.

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Good, dude.
So I, I'm good man.

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Since the last time we talked,
like so much has happened,

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right?
We were talking, I think it was

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earlier this summer, you know,
May or June, if I'm not

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mistaken.
And like, I was thinking about

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this as I was kind of preparing
for this.

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Since the last time we've
talked, we've had Joe Biden step

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out of the race.
We've had things intensify in

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Ukraine with more money and arms
that we're sending to Ukraine,

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and they're using those now, not
as a defensive strategy, but an

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offensive strategy.
The war in the Middle East has

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turned into a hot war between
Iran and Israel.

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Full on, right?
No longer using proxies.

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There's been a presidential
candidate who's had two attempts

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on his life, potentially 1/3.
I mean, that's a lot of news in

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like a few months.
I mean, it's, it's craziness.

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So I I'm just glad you're
willing to hop on with me and

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help me and the listeners kind
of try to make sense of all

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this.
Yeah, absolutely.

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It's a pleasure behind your
show.

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So let let's start, let's start
here with the foreign stuff,

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right?
Has there been any massive

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developments in what we're doing
with Ukraine right now?

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Well, of course there's, there
was the Ukrainian offensive in

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Kursk that took over.
I mean, they claimed like 500

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square miles at one point.
I think the Russians have taken

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at least half of that back,
assuming that, that, that, that

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they actually took that much
territory, which I which I

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doubt.
But the Russians have made

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tremendous, rather substantial
progress in the Donbas region,

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which is the the primary.
That's really kind of what the,

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the key territory that the war
was fought over in the 1st

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place.
If there wasn't a territory,

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because it really wasn't from
Russian President Putin's

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perspective, it wasn't really a
war for territory.

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It was a war against US
imperialism in terms of NATO

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expansion.
And so it could have been easily

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resolved without without war.
And Putin was trying to do that

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for 15 years unsuccessfully.
But yeah, the the Russians are

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are making a lot of gains.
But it's not even the

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territorial gains because having
studied Russian military

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doctrine, their focus is not to
take territory, but to grind

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down enemy troops.
And according to what I think

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are accurate estimates, Ukraine
has suffered well in excess of a

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million casualties since the war
began.

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Whereas the Russians, I think
are probably around the 250,000

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or 300,000 range, which perhaps
I would say 85,000 or, or have

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been killed in action.
So people talk about a friend

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that talks about, you know, the
war in Ukraine is, is kind of

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Russia's Vietnam.
I think it, I mean, in terms of

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casualties, I think that's
absolutely accurate.

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I mean, their casualties are a
little bit more than what we

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suffered in 10 years of war in
Vietnam.

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But in terms of what they've
been able to do to the

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Ukrainians, I mean, Ukrainians
is really boring on on being a

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failed state, which is, you
know, Putin's first, first

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preferred option was to make
Ukraine a neutral state at

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peace, essentially whole and
whole and free other than I

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guess Crimea.
But that he actually wanted

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Ukraine to keep the Donbas
region, which is which is half

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Russian, you know, ethnic
Russian.

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It's Russian speaking, 75%
Russian speaking.

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But as you mentioned that the
key variable here is that the

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Biden regime keeps crossing
Russia's red lines, particularly

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with regards to Ukrainian
missile strikes, you know,

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consisting of US attack missiles
as where, as well as British

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Storm Shadow and, and other NATO
built missiles.

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And they're using them to, to,
for deep strikes into Russian

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territory, both against military
and civilian targets, including

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nuclear targets.
So they're, they're actually

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attacking, they've been
attacking Russian nuclear and

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it's not constant, but, but
they've engaged in a number of

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very disturbing attacks on
Russian nuclear bomber bases,

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Russian nuclear naval bases,
missile defense, early warning,

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you know, radar sites that, you
know, if, if the US, you know,

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if we were to reverse things
and, and you know, have Mexico

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or Canada doing the same thing
to us with Russian or Chinese

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support, we would have, you
know, we would have already

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invaded and, and conquered them
by now.

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Bomb, bomb the crap out of them,
to say the least, minimally so.

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It is kind of unnerving.
Even more unnerving, I think is,

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is what I see happening with
with regards to Taiwan over the

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next three months.
So before we move on to Taiwan,

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because that is something I want
to cover as well, what do, what

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do you make of North Korean
soldiers being embedded with it

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seems to be Russian soldiers or
I don't know if they're it's own

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contingent or what's going on,
but but what's happening there

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with with North Korea and Russia
kind of looks like being pretty

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good friends at this point.
Well, you know, it's just kind

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of a formalization of an
alliance agreement that's been

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been in place since the days of
the Soviet Union.

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I mean, Russia never stopped
being a rather North Korea never

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stopped being a Russian ally, a
Chinese ally even after the fall

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of the Soviet Union.
You know, China of course has

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been their their principal
support in terms of, you know,

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economic assistance, financial,
military assistance, military

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technological assistance,
nuclear missile technology.

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But now Russia has has been, you
know, begin, begun providing

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this, that same type of
assistance, you know, in terms

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of military technological
assistance, mainly for advanced

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missile systems, missile
propulsion systems, ballistic

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missiles, cruise missiles,
hypersonic missiles.

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I mean, North Korea already has
what I consider to be the, the

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4th most advanced nuclear
arsenal on the planet.

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Probably the may not be the 4th
largest nuclear power because I

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think Israel still over matches
them, but they're probably,

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they're without question,
they're in the, in the, the

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range of Britain and France with
more advanced delivery systems.

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They have, you know, mobile
missiles, mobile ICBM systems.

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They'd have a full nuclear
triad.

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They have a, you know, nuclear
missile submarine and they have

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hypersonic missiles, you know,
nuclear hypersonic missiles that

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we don't have and multiple
different types of ICB Ms. You

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know, we only have one ICBM and
their ICB Ms. are MERV, most

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likely so.
But in terms of what they're

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doing in, in Ukraine with
Russia, you know, Russia has

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they signed an, an alliance
formal alliance agreement as

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you, as I'm sure you're aware, I
think it was earlier this year.

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Since that time, you know, North
Korea, Kim, Kim Jong Un has been

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paying back Russia by further
technology shipments by, you

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know, sending a full divisions
worth of of Korean people's army

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troops to Russia for training to
for deployment in the Kursk

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region.
So I don't expect there to be a

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lot of North Koreans involved in
direct combat with Ukraine.

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I think it's more they're more
playing kind of a defensive

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role.
So to allow Russian troops to

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redeploy to the, the primary
region, which currently is the,

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is the Donetsk region, western
Donetsk in the Donbas region

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could be later, it could be
Belarus, it could be Kiev.

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You know, if, if Putin was
serious about knocking Ukraine

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out of the war very quickly, he
would either use a super EMP

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weapon on Kiev or, or else he
would reinvade Kiev from, from

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Belarus or from Cherno Heev,
which is also for us on Kiev

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Oblast.
So I think it, I think it's

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significant, but I don't think
it's as significant as as some,

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some US National Security
experts have stated.

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Because again, to me this is
just a reiteration of an

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alliance that's been in place
since the fall of the Soviet

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Union informally.
So with this move of of

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involving North Korea in in kind
of a defensive posture, if you

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will, do you think that's an
outgrowth of of the casual

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casualties that that Russia has
suffered so far?

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Or do you see this more as, AII
don't know, just coming to your

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buddy's aid kind of a thing,
right?

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I mean, do you think that
there's an overall strategic

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advantage to this or is this
simply a show of solidarity?

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It's simply a show of
solidarity.

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It's really not much of A force
multiplier.

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I would say that North Korean
arms shipments, particularly

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artillery and munitions,
munitions in particular, have

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been much more decisive in
helping Russia win the war

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against Ukraine.
Yeah, the numbers of troops,

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we're talking about 10 to
11,000.

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You know, again, probably not
first line, you know, frontline

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troops, but maybe second line
troops.

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I think it's it's more symbolic.
Let's move on now to China and

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Taiwan.
What do you see happening there

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now?
Well, they, you know, China

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recently held the largest air
and naval joint blockade

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exercise that they've ever held.
It was from October 14th to 15th

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and it was in in direct response
to a speech given by Taiwanese

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President William Lai that China
was in unhappy about because it

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underscored his, you know, his
continued, you know, statements

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about, you know, Taiwanese
independence, essentially that

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Taiwan was a fully sovereign
nation and, you know, it wasn't

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going to be subservient to
Communist China, the People's

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Republic of China.
So, you know, China had

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previously warned before
President Lai won the election

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in in January that if if the
Taiwanese people voted for him,

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then they would be choosing war.
And there's been a lot of

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different moves since then, two
different blockade exercises,

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again, the largest they've ever
had.

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The most recent was was entitled
to joint Sword 2024 B.

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The previous one was 2024 A, and
this one involved about 34

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Chinese ships, including
seventeen naval vessels, PLA

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Navy vessels, warships, as well
as 17 Coast Guard vessels,

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including four different Coast
Guard fleets.

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That really demonstrated China's
ability, you know, to fully

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blockade Taiwan's major ports
and you know, and this one

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didn't didn't involve, you know,
missile launches.

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That was all kind of simulated.
But in every other way,

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including 125 aircraft flyovers
of Taiwanese airspace, You know,

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this was, was really one that
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the, you know, might be the real
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for two to 2 1/2 years now that
once China, you know, blockade

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Taiwan, they're going to do it
under the pretense of an

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exercise, then the exercise
won't end.

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And this for the first time
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exercises, not only was there no
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but they didn't announce an end
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So that that's set off alarm
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some of my my colleagues on the
Committee for the present Age of

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China that I served with, many
of many of whom are are, you

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know, former Navy CAP, you know,
retired Navy captains and Army

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colonels.
And, you know, thankfully it did

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end after 2424 hours.
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all kind of left thinking this
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The next time this happens in
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a lot less, it's probably going
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Cool.
So just just to put it in

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perspective, what does that mean
for the United States if Taiwan

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is, is taken over by China,
right?

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Because Taiwan produces a lot of
chips, correct?

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And we rely on a lot of those
chips from everything from your

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car to your computer to your
cell phone, right?

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They're they're like isn't some
upwards of 80% if I'm not

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mistaken that come out of
Taiwan?

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Well, in terms of advanced
semiconductors, it's actually

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closer to 90%, but in terms of
overall semiconductors, it's

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about 60%.
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superconductors are needed for
some of the most advanced cars,

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computer systems, mobile phones,
weapon systems.

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So, you know, yeah, we're not
going to easily replace those

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all, all of that stuff.
You know, car production, mobile

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phone production would would
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You know, the number of eight to
9% of GDP reduction has been

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floated repeated constantly by
the neocons.

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But I think they're, you know,
in state talking about that.

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They're missing the big picture
because yeah, of course if if we

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were to lose, you know, if they
were Taiwan were to blow it up

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or if China were to blow up
those facilities where if China

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were to, you know, stop selling
them to us, you know that the

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semiconductors from Taiwan, then
yeah, we would take perhaps 8%

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GDP hit.
But let's imagine if if China

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simply if we went to war with
China, because that's really the

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argument, the neo con argument
of, oh, we need to go to war

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with China over Taiwan to avoid
that 8% hit.

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Well, guess what, if we, you
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does anyone really think that
they're going to keep trading

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with us and supplying us with
all, all of our, you know, life

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saving pharmaceuticals, raw
errors, critical components for

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weapons systems, you know,
everything else that we become

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dependent on them for?
Absolutely not.

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You know, so it wouldn't if we
went to war with them or if they

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simply cut off all trade with
them with us in response to, to

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a war or a massive U.S. economic
sanctions they hate would likely

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be 15 to 20% of GDP P.
You know, 8% was, was the Great

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Depression.
So if we're talking 15 to 20%,

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we don't have any idea how, how
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I mean, people would, the amount
of Americans going going hungry,

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homeless, all that stuff would
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And so, you know, I've, I've
proposed a, a peace proposal

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that is kind of what I call an
EU solution, EU confederation

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style solution for the Taiwan
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And it basically would say, you
know, Taiwan and China would

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sign a unification agreement,
but it would be, it would be a

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confederation in which, you
know, Taiwan maintains its full

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self rule.
But you know, it was kind of a

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pretense.
It it it not, I would won't say

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an illusion because, you know,
there would, there would be, you

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know, some basically Taiwan
would become an ally of China.

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So it kind of shift from being
AUS ally to a Chinese ally.

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And there'd be like 1 military
base in the most southern reach

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of Taiwan that's far away from
their population.

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That would be a Chinese naval
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So it'd be mostly symbolic, but
I think it would buy Taiwan

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another perhaps up to 20 more
years of self rule before, you

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know, China started, you know,
decided that they wanted to do a

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full takeover.
And that's a lot more time than

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they're going to get if we
could, you know, if, if at this

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rate, because I, I assess that
by January, they're likely going

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to blockade and take over
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Wow, I, I, I think that's a
practical solution for sure.

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The the one thing I'm always
concerned about, especially with

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those countries that have
Marxist slants to them, right.

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And I know.
I do know that China has made

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some steps in, in terms of at
least state capitalism, right?

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It doesn't mean you don't have
Marxism at home, but you at

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least understand you have to
play in the, in capitalism on

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the international level.
But I, I still believe and, and

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correct me if I'm wrong here,
you know better than I do.

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Do they still have a Marxist
bent to them?

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China.
Yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah, it's it's, I mean, China's
a totalitarian country.

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Every Chinese company, you know,
this has the pretense of being

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independent or, you know, non
PLA or or PAP owned is, is in

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effect.
It's just an extension of of the

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Chinese government.
Typically they're, you know,

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Chinese companies are owned by
princelings or other elite

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members of, of the Communist
Chinese Party.

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And so, and there's a law that
they have to commit espionage

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whenever asked, asked by the
Chinese government.

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So essentially every Chinese
company in America is operating

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as a tool of the government,
whether it's state owned or not.

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So yeah, I, I've, I've long
differed with the idea that

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China has, you know, has gotten
a semi capitalist system.

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I don't think there's really any
evidence of that.

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And certainly with the latest
crackdowns by the Chinese

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Communist Party, that's, I mean,
any pretense of that is is being

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done away with, I think.
So with that said, you know,

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'cause like I went through a
funny period when I was really

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searching things out both from a
religious standpoint when I

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became a Mormon to, you know,
how's that affect politics,

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right?
I'm a guy who doesn't believe

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that politics and religion don't
intersect.

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They absolutely intersect.
But my question for you then is

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having read the Communist
Manifesto, there is a certain

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level that they understand that
that what what communism

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ultimately wants, it can only
have if everybody buys in,

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right?
If everybody's in the system.

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And so where where we would kind
of that, that Peachtree that you

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were talking about.
And I think it absolutely could

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be strategic in the sense that
it buys us more time.

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But at some point that has to be
curtailed, right?

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We can't let China keep doing
that, can we?

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Because it will just keep
pushing those that front farther

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and farther to the West right?
Yeah, it was this would

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essentially be a one off, you
know, other than other than the

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South China Sea, which I think
we could, you know, we could

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find a compromise with.
Obviously we're not going to

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accept their their ten dash
line, but maybe if we split it

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in half, we, you know, if China
got the western kind of the the

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southwest China Sea and then our
allies, you know, maintained

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some degree of control in the
Southeast China Sea.

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I think that's, that's a, a
compromise that that we could

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accept and that I think China
would accept, you know, looking

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still wanting to push us, you
know, in the East, South China

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Sea, but at least temporarily
that would stave off any

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conflict.
But you know, really China's

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only nuclear red line that
they've they've talked about has

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been over Taiwan.
So just like if, you know, if if

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Texas had declared independence,
you know, 8 decades ago or what

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not, and we were trying to get
it back and you know, Russia and

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China were, you know, starting
to deploy troops there and armed

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Texas to the teeth.
So we couldn't take it back.

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You know, we wouldn't accept no
for an answer.

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And you know, it's not quite
that clear cut.

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I mean, yes, Taiwan has spent
the vast amount of its history

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as part of China, but it's never
been part of the People's

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Republic of China.
And I've been a long all time

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supporter of Taiwan.
Wasn't until perhaps 13 years

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ago that I gave up on the idea
that that we should be willing

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to sacrifice the lives of 200
million Americans to defend

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Taiwanese independence.
But I've since wisen up.

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You know, I mean, I can't be
America first and say that we

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should, you know, we should
allow America be destroyed and

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annihilated in a nuclear war in
a failed attempt to protect

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Taiwanese independence.
Taiwan is a very, you know,

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unlike Ukraine, the US actually
does have legitimate national

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security interests in Taiwan.
We have, you know, a strategic

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interest.
It's not so much as a lot of lot

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of the neocons will argue that
Taiwan has a strategic location

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because it's right off the
Taiwan Straits, which through

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which 60% of international trade
travels through.

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Well, you know, China basically
owns the the Taiwan Straits

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whether they they have control
of Taiwan or not.

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So I think that's that's a
foolish argument.

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The other argument they use is,
well, Taiwan comprised as part

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of the first island chain.
And if and if we give up Taiwan,

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then they'll, you know, they'll
breakthrough to the second

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island chain and beyond.
And that's a stupid argument as

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well.
I mean, if you look at a, a map

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of the, the Western Pacific,
there's really no geographic

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barriers that that prevent China
with the most powerful Navy in

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the Pacific from being able to
really dominate the entire

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Western Pacific.
So, and that's, you know, one of

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my colleagues on the Committee
for the present danger of China

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is Captain James Fennell.
He served as director of

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intelligence for the US Pacific
Fleet, which is actually a Rear

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Admiral position.
So he was, he was in a position

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that was higher than its
military rank.

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But he has stated that China,
the Chinese, the PLA Navy

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currently dominates the waves
all the way out of the second

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island chain.
The second island chain consists

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of Guam, Marianas, the various
other islands out about 1500

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miles away from the Chinese
mainland Chinese coastline.

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So, you know, that being the
case, he also said that that 10

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the, the Chinese would outnumber
the US Navy, but in warships

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12:50 in the South China Sea, if
we went to war with them over

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Taiwan, there's really no
realistic possibility of the US

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winning a war with China over
Taiwan.

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So, you know, I, I, I'm very
confident that if President

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Trump were to be elected, he
would negotiate a deal,

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hopefully along the lines that
I've, that I've researched that

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I've been calling for over the
last year plus, because I think

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that's kind of the best we could
possibly get.

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But his overriding focus is to
avoid World War three.

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Why does he want to avoid World
War three with Russia and China?

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Because we wouldn't survive.
America would not survive as a

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country.
You know, Americans might

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survive, but the country
wouldn't.

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The country would break apart,
wouldn't exist anymore.

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The best we'd be a failed state,
much worse than Ukraine,

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probably along the lines of the
Gaza Strip, you know, with with

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some kind of central regime, but
you know, maybe militias,

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militia forces and warlords,
maybe kind of a Mogadishu,

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Somalia situation.
So we don't want that, that to,

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you know, dark future to
materialize.

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And there's no reason for us to,
to accept that.

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You know, I've, I've been, I'm
about to publish an article kind

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of about World War 2 history,
but also about, you know, what I

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think our new national, you
know, our national security

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strategy should be.
And it's, it's it's one that I

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think should focus on, not on
strategic clarity as the neocons

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would have us do and say that we
should defend Taiwan militarily,

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but rather on strategic autonomy
and strategic flexibility where

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we state, yeah, we'll, you know,
we'll keep these alliances, all

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of our existing formal
alliances, but they'll be,

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they'll kind of be just as
conditional as our, you know, as

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our posture with, with regards
to Taiwan.

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And that we'll, we'll, you know,
we can say we may react by going

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to war.
We may use nuclear weapons to

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defend our ally.
Or if we calculated our

444
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,720
interests not to intervene
militarily, then we won't do

445
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,440
that.
And, and that actually has a

446
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,560
beneficial effect, I think, on
our allies because, you know,

447
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,640
currently our allies, you know,
they haven't developed nuclear

448
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,920
weapons, they haven't spent
sufficient on on their defense.

449
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,120
Taiwan only spends 2.4% of its
GDP on defense.

450
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:36,560
China spends 4%.
Other countries like Poland are

451
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,680
spending 5%.
Israel spending around 5%.

452
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,920
Russia's spending six to seven
percent.

453
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:47,480
US spends about 3.3% so, you
know, it would enable them to,

454
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:54,200
you know, be less, I guess more
accommodating of our adversaries

455
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,640
to avoid war, but at the same
time to do more for their their

456
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,640
own defense.
And so which would lower the

457
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,840
risks I think for for the
American people and enhance US

458
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,720
security.
So.

459
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,560
You, you said a couple things
earlier that really stuck out to

460
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:19,000
me and you said the last time we
had an 8% and forgive me if I

461
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:24,200
misheard you, the last time we
had an 8% hit to GDP was the

462
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,800
Great Depression.
Is that correct?

463
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,840
The only time in water history
we suffered an 8% hit to our GDP

464
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,400
or worse was during the Great
Depression.

465
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,240
OK.
And so let me ask you this

466
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,280
question.
If China, if, if, if the plan

467
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,280
that you outlined was followed,
let's say Trump gets elected, he

468
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,440
decides, you know what, this is
a good plan.

469
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,720
And he he, he was to follow that
plan.

470
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,840
Do you think Russia, do you
think China, once they had

471
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,440
formed that confederation with
Taiwan, that Taiwan could

472
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:03,440
continue to trade with us as far
as those chips and that sort of

473
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:08,280
thing to avoid that 8% hit?
Or do you think that 8% hit is

474
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,400
going to come no matter what
just because of the global

475
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,040
instability that that that
causes?

476
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,200
Yeah.
So that 8%, that's a great

477
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,720
question. 8% hit would would not
materialize if my plan were

478
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,600
implemented and and accepted by
China because they wouldn't

479
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,080
control the Taiwanese
semiconductor manufacturing

480
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:33,400
industry.
They would, you know, they would

481
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,360
have joint kind of a joint
defense counsel, joint Security

482
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:41,400
Council, joint technological
cooperation, research projects,

483
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,600
business collaboration, things
of that nature.

484
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,720
But, you know, a flag that was
shared, it wouldn't be the

485
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,960
Chinese flag or the Taiwanese
flag could be kind of kind of

486
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:55,600
something in between.
But yeah, so that's the the

487
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,720
thing that people need to
realize is we can entirely avoid

488
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:04,000
the 8% hit simply by, you know
#1 negotiating a peaceful

489
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,480
solution with with China.
But we don't even need to do

490
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,520
that.
We could simply after a blockade

491
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,400
is initiated if we had, you
know, moderate economic

492
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,400
sanctions against China in
response to that, you know,

493
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,040
harshly worded diplomatic
letters, you know, things of

494
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,840
that nature.
If that was our the limit of

495
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,600
what we did, the China would
keep selling those

496
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,120
semiconductors after they took
it over.

497
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,600
You know, assuming again, that
Taiwanist didn't blow it up or

498
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,880
the US didn't blow it up or, you
know, it didn't get destroyed

499
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,400
while China was invading, which
that's probably the least likely

500
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,240
option or possibility.
So yeah, we don't even have to.

501
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,840
You know, if someone is truly
concerned about the 8% hit, you

502
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,320
know, the loss of Taiwanese
semiconductors, they would

503
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,520
support peace with China because
that's really the only

504
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,160
possibility where we don't get
that hit.

505
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,440
If we go to war with China,
we'll have a guaranteed Great

506
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,960
Depression that's much worse
than the than the first.

507
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,240
There's no possibility of
winning that.

508
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,840
So why fight it?
You know, it's not if, you know,

509
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,240
if, if it were China in the US,
you fight to the death, right?

510
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,960
You don't you, you don't give
up, you don't surrender.

511
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,080
But this is a country that's
half a world away.

512
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:18,200
It's, you know, 6900 miles from
the US Pacific Coast.

513
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,600
It's the size of a little bit
larger than Moldova.

514
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,080
So it's a very, very tiny
island.

515
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,800
Very, you know, it's strategic.
I wouldn't say it's, again, it's

516
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,960
not so much strategically
located, but, but by virtue of,

517
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,360
of what we talked about with the
advanced semiconductor

518
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:38,360
production, which is, you know,
it's, it's really integral to

519
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:43,560
our economic well-being as a
country, as well as that of our

520
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,720
allies.
You know, because we've allowed,

521
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,400
you know, our semiconductor
manufacturer, at least, you

522
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,880
know, advanced semiconductor
manufacturing to, to really kind

523
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,000
of fade away under the idea that
globalism is great and we don't

524
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,800
need to build anything.
We can just be be consumers and,

525
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,560
you know, a service oriented
economy.

526
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,800
You know, that's, that's a fight
I've been fighting with folks on

527
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,560
the other side of the neocons
for 25 to 30 years.

528
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:16,400
And, you know, I was, you might
remember, remember, Pat Buchanan

529
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,720
ran for president three times.
You know, I worked for his

530
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,920
campaign in 96.
And, you know, everything that

531
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,120
he that he warned about has, has
come, come to pass, you know,

532
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,240
tenfold.
And, you know, thankfully,

533
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,480
President Trump has kind of
picked up the America First

534
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,240
mantle And and he's got, you
know, a plan and a strategy to

535
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,000
to to counter China, but without
war.

536
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,880
And I think that's that's really
essential.

537
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:48,840
OK, SO11 last question on China
here and then I want to move on.

538
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,480
But with with that plan, the the
other thing I see it doing is,

539
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,520
is it buys US time, right?
Because just as you were saying,

540
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,200
we don't make any of our own
crap, right?

541
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,480
Our pharmaceuticals, our, our
chips, everything, right?

542
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:11,440
People like, here's the problem.
And, and don't get me wrong, I

543
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,239
think I do it, You know,
certainly I see my, my, my

544
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,880
family go there.
I'm sure some of your family

545
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,880
goes there.
We've become too reliant on

546
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,480
Walmart to a certain extent,
right?

547
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,639
All that crap comes from China,
right?

548
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,280
And the reason that we can
afford that when times are tough

549
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,080
like they are now, right?
I don't care what the stock

550
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,320
market's doing, you know, on the
street, it's tough in some

551
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,639
sectors.
So you fall back to that cheaper

552
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:45,280
quality just to keep clothes on
people's backs if we have to

553
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,480
start producing our own things
again, right?

554
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,520
And this would be one of those
things with this plan where I

555
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,920
could be like, OK, this buys US
time that you know what, maybe

556
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,520
we start firing up the mills
again up in, in, in New England.

557
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,880
Maybe we start firing.
Think about, you know, making

558
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,120
steel in Pittsburgh again and
start producing our own

559
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,960
pharmaceuticals and those sorts
of things and just really get

560
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,520
on, get on a, a, a kind of a war
footing, for lack of a better

561
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,320
term.
Not saying we have to go to war,

562
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,760
but I always feel like being
prepared for that is never a bad

563
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,360
thing.
I, I do agree with Reagan that

564
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,880
peace through strength is a
thing, right?

565
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,880
But we're not in a place of
peace through strength right

566
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,280
now, not because we don't have a
military, but mainly because

567
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,400
we're too reliant on everybody
else to get our stuff.

568
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,760
Does that make sense?
Am I off base there anywhere?

569
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,520
Am I making it too simple?
No, you're absolutely right.

570
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,480
I couldn't agree more.
You know, I mean, minimally to

571
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,920
to be able to fight a war
against China, we would be able

572
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,360
to have to produce our own
weapons, you know, without

573
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,560
Chinese components, right?
And that's something we're not

574
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,760
doing right now.
So, you know, let's say, let's

575
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,120
say 10 years from now, we do
that and then nuclear weapons

576
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,400
magically disappear, you know,
and, and we're kind of on a more

577
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,680
even fighting threshold.
You know, that would be one

578
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:03,880
thing.
You know, the problem is you

579
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,760
can't put the nuclear genie back
in the bottle.

580
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,600
There's super EMP weapons that
our enemies have that we don't,

581
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,400
that could take us out without
warning, you know, knock down

582
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,000
our entire critical
infrastructure and and make it

583
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,320
so we couldn't rebuild.
And then they have cyber

584
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:23,480
weapons, you know, which the
first day of, of major combat

585
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,600
with China over Taiwan, they
would hit us, hit us with

586
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,040
everything they had in terms of
cyber and counter space weapons.

587
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,080
You know, the, the example of I
would, I would note is there was

588
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,840
a Boeing satellite communication
satellite that exploded a couple

589
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,000
weeks ago.
And I, I think China's likely to

590
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,760
blame.
I actually raised that question

591
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,720
with the director of
intelligence for US Space

592
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:48,720
Command.
And he, he said he didn't have

593
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:50,840
any intelligence that indicated
that.

594
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,840
But you know, I could, I could
tell that, you know, he might,

595
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,160
you know, he might have have
some idea that that was, he said

596
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,560
it was a possibility.
What what he said is I don't

597
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,560
have any on me right now in this
suit.

598
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,640
It's in the other pocket on the
other suit.

599
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,640
Yeah.
Let let me ask you this

600
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,040
question.
And and then I want to move on

601
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,520
to Israel and then I want to
move on to the elections.

602
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,360
When we look, do we know for
certain that Russia and China

603
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,760
have super EMP weapons?
We do, yeah.

604
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:28,360
In fact, interestingly, China
just did a, did a test, did an

605
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:33,360
EMP test to ascertain whether
their nuclear command and

606
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:38,600
control system was capable of
withstanding an EMP blast and it

607
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,960
was successful.
So they're clearly I, I, I don't

608
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,160
know if another time where
they've they've done that, you

609
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,600
know, so they're, they're
clearly preparing for a nuclear

610
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,600
war.
Doesn't mean they're planning to

611
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,880
do it, but they're getting ready
for anything worth meaning that

612
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,040
I think they believe they've
taken Biden's threat seriously.

613
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,760
That that when he's was asked
five different times if he would

614
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,200
defend Taiwan militarily and go
to war with China, he said four

615
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,520
times.
The first four times he said

616
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,320
yes.
It was just the the last time he

617
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:15,000
said maybe.
And so, you know, China's

618
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,040
massive military buildup, you
know, they've been mobilizing

619
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,200
their military and economy for
war for the last 2 1/2 years,

620
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:28,000
since April 2, April 2022.
And they don't have any reason

621
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,960
to do that.
If, if that was if, if their

622
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,680
only plan was stopped in Taiwan,
if, you know, if they didn't

623
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,040
have any intention of fighting
the US, there's no reason they

624
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,160
would need to build up their
forces.

625
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,200
They already have the largest
army in the world, the largest

626
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,280
Navy, the largest Coast Guard,
the largest nuclear ballistic

627
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,720
missile force by far, many times
over.

628
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,040
And yet they're still expanding
their military.

629
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:56,120
And, and we don't have any
accurate reports or estimates of

630
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,520
how big, how much they're
expanding their military.

631
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,840
But I wouldn't be surprised if
they had three million troops

632
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,720
instead of 2.2 million that they
had in 2022.

633
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:09,400
I think their military expansion
programs that great and they're,

634
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,400
you know, of course their
nuclear missile build up has

635
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,760
been on the order of at least
4%, four, 100%.

636
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:20,080
So you know these, but these are
my estimates by the way, they

637
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,120
start at I think with 1000
nukes, I think they're probably

638
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,000
building up to around 5000.
I think that build up will

639
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,040
likely be completed by next
year.

640
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,160
So they've already massively
exceeded the size of our nuclear

641
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,480
arsenal.
Russia, of course, as many times

642
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,880
as many nukes as we have that
are operational.

643
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,160
And yeah, we're just completely
overmatched, You know, So

644
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,120
they're, I mean, they're I've
never seen the the amount of

645
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,400
existential threats the US is
facing right now.

646
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,160
It makes, you know, our World
War Two fight against Nazi

647
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,040
Germany and and pre old Japan
look like Disneyland.

648
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,920
You know, there's just no
comparison.

649
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,400
We were never really threatened.
You know, I mean, Japan, of

650
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:07,240
course had the ability to invade
Hawaii and, you know, some,

651
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:12,400
alas, Aleutian islands.
But the US mainland was never,

652
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,760
never threatened by any enemy
back then.

653
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,680
And you know, none of our
enemies had strategic bombers,

654
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:20,040
you know, so that was that
helped.

655
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,080
They didn't have atomic weapons
like we did.

656
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,240
But nuclear wars can be fought
and won, and we proved that with

657
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:28,040
Japan.
You know, Japan didn't have

658
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,880
nukes, but, you know, that was
an nuclear war and, you know, we

659
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,520
won it.
So, you know, I mean, there's

660
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,040
certainly controversy as to
whether 2 nuclear powers can

661
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,480
fight each other and one can
win.

662
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,000
But, you know, Russians have
always believed that.

663
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,800
Russian political and military
leaders have believed that since

664
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,040
the 1960s.
And I think the Chinese do as

665
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,480
well.
I don't think, I actually don't

666
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,200
think that the there's going to
be a massive nuclear war.

667
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,480
I think that at most, you know,
we would be attacked with

668
00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:00,040
perhaps 10 nuclear weapons to
take, take out, I don't know,

669
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,440
eighty, 7080% of our nuclear
arsenal.

670
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:10,480
DC of course, a lot of our NC 3
relay stations, those could be

671
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,240
taken out.
Nuclear bomber bases, nuclear

672
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:17,000
submarine bases.
But I think I think the main

673
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,480
threat is cyber and also super
EMP.

674
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,840
So, you know, that's what I'm
expecting.

675
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,280
I think the chances of a massive
cyber attack on the US are huge.

676
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,800
If we get into a hot war with
Russia or China, I think in

677
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,920
fact, they're guaranteed, as I
mentioned on the first first day

678
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,080
of major combat with either
Russia or China, they take us

679
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:39,360
down.
I mean, they take down our

680
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,160
country and we would, you know,
start killing each other off for

681
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,080
the last scraps of food and
water as our, you know, food

682
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,040
water distribution system broke,
broke down.

683
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,560
And and you mentioned cyber and
that's where I wanted to go next

684
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,400
before going on to Israel.
Since the time you and I have

685
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:02,920
talked last, I've noticed that
there was a massage out of in

686
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:09,480
airline computers.
Verizon lost any ability to make

687
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,000
phone calls or anything else for
a full day.

688
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,480
And we've also seen certain
banks have issues as well.

689
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,280
And, and maybe you can't speak
to this, maybe you can.

690
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,240
Are those.
And, and the other thing is, is

691
00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:29,920
that all three of those were
remarkably quiet in the media,

692
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,840
right?
There was not a lot of coverage

693
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,040
on those.
The Verizon one I found

694
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,160
fascinating because that
affected millions of people.

695
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:44,000
Air foreclosure, there was
hardly a word about it.

696
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:49,320
So my question is, are those
kind of like in a prize fight,

697
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,800
are those jabs to see what we're
going to do?

698
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,200
Are they trying to gauge our
defenses or is this really just

699
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,480
glitches in our own system?
There's no question in my mind

700
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,080
that all those incidents were
foreign state actor cyber

701
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,840
attacks.
So the thing about cyber warfare

702
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,200
is you can have plausible
deniability.

703
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,560
You can have like kind of
outsource essentially your your

704
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:18,720
cyber cyber attacks to you know,
a kind of a semi private

705
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,880
organization of hackers, you
know, some kind of private

706
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:26,600
hacker army organization.
But that that organization is is

707
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,680
going to be state sponsored.
Particularly in the case of

708
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,760
Russia and China.
They both have, you know, kind

709
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:40,080
of private actors that they pay
cyber for cyber attacks.

710
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,640
I mean, I talked to Chris
Stewart, actually, he gave a

711
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,840
speech that I was at pretty,
pretty small, small group.

712
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,240
But he recently stated just a
few months ago that China is

713
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:54,400
cyber attacking us millions of
times a day.

714
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,840
And I already knew that Russia
was attacking us over a million

715
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,200
times a day.
You know, but they're not huge,

716
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,560
huge, huge cyber attacks, but
they have the ability and you

717
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,560
know, the, the general, the, the
commander general of US Cyber

718
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,440
Command, I think it was General
Nakasone stated that Russia,

719
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,960
China and one other country that
I believe to be North Korea had

720
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,320
the ability to take down our
critical infrastructure using

721
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,920
cyber attacks alone.
That would include, of course,

722
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,480
get our food, water distribution
system or power grid.

723
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,080
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724
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731
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732
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,760
That would include, of course,
get our food water distribution

733
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:07,920
system or power grid, electrical
power grid, as well as

734
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:12,040
communications, Internet and
even early warning GPS

735
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,920
satellites.
So, you know, that's, that's a

736
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,880
tremendous vulnerability that we
need to weigh in whenever we're,

737
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,560
you know, trying to provoke our
enemies to attack us with our,

738
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:28,760
our foolish, you know, national
security strategy of liberal

739
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:34,360
hegemony or primacy, as we have
with, you know, our imperialist

740
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:39,640
expansion in Ukraine.
That's something we need to, you

741
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,840
know, we need to really consider
because you know, really at the

742
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,600
drop of a hat, Russia, China and
North Korea, even Iran I think

743
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,280
could take us out, you know,
with a cyber or EMP, super EMP

744
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:56,080
attack and that that we could,
we probably could not recover

745
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,760
from.
Shoo.

746
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,640
OK, All right.
Well, that's pleasant.

747
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,720
We'll go ahead and move on.
I'll move on for that.

748
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:12,080
Let's let's look at Israel now
that one is to me probably the

749
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:16,720
hardest one to follow because
there seems to be so many moving

750
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:20,320
parts and pieces, right.
With Ukraine, it's pretty well,

751
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:23,280
I don't want to say isolated who
the players are, but you know

752
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,800
who they are really quickly.
The same with Russia.

753
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,600
I mean, same with China and the
United States and Taiwan.

754
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,320
The one in the Middle East is
the one that I find has the most

755
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,920
moving parts and pieces to it.
And, and maybe that's just

756
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,480
because I'm slow and it's hard
for me to wrap my mind around

757
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,920
all this, but you got Hamas, you
got Hezbollah, you got Iran and,

758
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,400
and, you know, Israel's making
incursions into Lebanon.

759
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,800
What?
How do we make sense of what's

760
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,800
going on over there?
Well, I think that the the most

761
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,440
important thing to realize is,
is this has always been a proxy

762
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:04,120
war between Israel and Iran.
So when, for example, when Hamas

763
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:10,120
hit Israel with, you know,
rocket, you know, 5000 rockets

764
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:15,760
and, you know, kind of terrorist
incursions that killed 1200,

765
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:21,160
nearly 1200 civilians in one day
on on Israel's side, you know,

766
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:25,400
that was green lighted by Iran
and Israel had the intelligence.

767
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:27,600
They had every reason to know
that was coming.

768
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,880
And yet it seemed as if there
was maybe a standout order by

769
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,440
Netanyahu.
I, I strongly suspect I, I

770
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,400
didn't want to believe this at
first, but I think Netanyahu

771
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,120
wanted this war.
He knew that he was, you know,

772
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,120
on the ropes politically and and
that if he is removed as Prime

773
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:50,000
Minister, he's likely going to
prison as I fear that Trump is

774
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,360
as well for for nothing, you
know, Trump, Trump wasn't

775
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,480
corrupt, but Netanyahu was
genuinely corrupt.

776
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,240
And he likely deserves to go to
prison.

777
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:04,360
But Netanyahu has this vision of
Israel, which is which I guess

778
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,240
for lack of a better term, I
would I would call greater

779
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:11,320
Israel and greater Israel.
But what I mean by that is that

780
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:17,040
he he wants to see Israel
expanded to, you know, from the

781
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,800
river to the sea and, you know,
from the river to the sea is, is

782
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,960
something we we hear on the
Hamas side, you know, nowadays.

783
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:29,520
But that was actually they got
that that Hussein from Israelis,

784
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,920
from Zionists.
You know, I'm not one to believe

785
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,880
any Zionist conspiracies or the
Jews control anything or the

786
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,760
Jews are bad.
I think the Jews are great.

787
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:42,400
I think that I have support the
state of Israel in concept.

788
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,960
I think that I absolutely
supported their right of

789
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:50,160
self-defense, but I don't and I
believe that they were justified

790
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,080
in in striking back at Gaza, at
Hamas.

791
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,640
But I didn't support the
invasion.

792
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,440
I would have supported if if it
was a three-week invasion

793
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,880
instead of, you know, a year to
multi year, probably indefinite.

794
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,880
I don't think they're ever,
they're ever going to pull out

795
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,880
their troops from Gaza.
I think they're trying to

796
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,920
ethnically cleanse Gaza of the
Palestinians so that Israel can

797
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,920
fully exit.
But yeah, basically, you know,

798
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:21,720
so Hamas and Hezbollah and the
Houthis, they all are.

799
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:26,680
And not only that, a bunch of
Iraqi militia forces that are

800
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,600
integrated in the Iraqi armed
forces.

801
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,320
All those groups are Iranian
proxies.

802
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:36,800
They're armed, they're financed,
armed and allied with Iran.

803
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:43,800
So, you know, Netanyahu talks
about fighting a multi front

804
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,320
war.
For some reason he, he's, he

805
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,080
claims that Israel is fighting
a, you know, A7 front war.

806
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,680
He likes to say there must be 7
different Iranian proxy groups.

807
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,600
But really it's just one war.
You know, it's, it's kind of one

808
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,920
consolidated war against Iranian
proxies.

809
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:03,120
And he's been taking a lot of
risks, you know, because my

810
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,840
concern is not just been for
peace in general or even for the

811
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,880
Gazans, who I've, I've really
tried to champion in terms of

812
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,440
Gazan civilians.
You know, Israel, of course, has

813
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,680
killed 29,000 Gazan women and
children, innocent NACA batons.

814
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,640
I think that's unchristian.
You know, obviously they're not

815
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,840
Christians, but they, they at
least share a biblical

816
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,520
perspective.
And, you know, of course we've

817
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,880
done the same thing in the past.
We did it far more brutally, the

818
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:32,360
Germans and the Japanese and we
killed, you know, millions, 2.6

819
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:37,520
million Germans and Japanese
civilians with a daily death

820
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:42,080
rate that was, I think 173 times
higher than what the Russians

821
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,040
have been doing in Ukraine.
And and we call Putin a war

822
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,640
criminal for that, you know, but
we don't call Netanyahu a war

823
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,800
criminal for doing doing even
worse to the Gazans.

824
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,960
But yeah, it's I've been very
concerned about that this, you

825
00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,960
know, all these escalations by
Netanyahu in terms of invading

826
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,400
southern Lebanon for the first
time in nearly two decades,

827
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:10,480
risking all out war with with
Iran, with, you know, missile

828
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:15,600
strikes against their missile
production capabilities and

829
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,240
nuclear air defense radars.
You know, this could really

830
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,760
ratchet up to a a full scale
regional war.

831
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,320
And, and it, if it does, you
know, it's like if it's a

832
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:31,160
constant shooting war between
Iran and Israel, I, I think

833
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,720
there's every reason to believe
that Iran already has nuclear

834
00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:35,960
missiles.
They have had it for several

835
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,400
years and they could obliterate
Israel.

836
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:44,880
You know, they could if they put
nuclear weapons on hypersonic

837
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,440
missiles.
Israel couldn't shoot them down

838
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:54,400
back in on October 1st when Iran
launched under 180 ballistic and

839
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:59,040
hypersonic missiles at Israel.
You know, we recently found out

840
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,200
that Israel could only shoot
down 50%.

841
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,200
You know, last time is Iran, you
know, shot out some of their

842
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,800
slowest missiles because it was
more of a symbolic gesture.

843
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,960
They launched, you know, 280
missiles and, you know, nearly

844
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:17,480
all 92% were shot down the rest
of Israeli military bases.

845
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:21,320
But this time 50%, you know, so
90 Iranian missiles hit their

846
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,800
targets in Israel and they were
again, military installations.

847
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,320
But if, you know, if even a few
of those were armed with nuclear

848
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,960
weapons, then, you know, Israel
could could, could lose a, you

849
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:36,600
know, a massive amount of its
population.

850
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:41,360
So these are very dangerous
games that the US and Israel are

851
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,960
playing right now.
The Britain, of course, and all

852
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,360
of NATO, I guess.
And we need to really ratchet it

853
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,200
down and try to, you know, give
peace a chance.

854
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,480
And I think Trump would do that
absolutely would do that with

855
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,960
Russia and China.
With Israel.

856
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:00,400
He might, it might be a little
slower because he's got kind of

857
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,240
more, he's not quite as peace
focused, I think in Israel, but

858
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:07,960
he he still has, you know,
pointed out to Netanyahu that

859
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,280
he's kind of screwing the pooch
in terms of Israel's

860
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,200
international reputation.
So I I I find those found those

861
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:19,440
comments to be helpful.
Now, and, and to, to further

862
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,760
kind of complicate the issue,
Russia and Iran have a pretty

863
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:28,560
close pact as well, correct?
Where where Russia has some

864
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,600
pipelines in the work, I think
with Iran, Iran, if I'm not

865
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,000
mistaken, where they're, they're
going to be doing some stuff

866
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,760
with oil there.
How does does this war between

867
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:43,040
Iran and Israel, does it have
the potential of drawing Russia

868
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:47,200
into that too?
It definitely does, yeah.

869
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,320
I mean, I think again, I think
the Middle Eastern war is

870
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:57,200
probably the, the regional war
that I find the least likely to

871
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,880
escalate to it like a World War.
So I will, I will, I will say

872
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,280
that I think the chances are
low, but absolutely there's

873
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:04,840
there is a chance it could
escalate.

874
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,360
For example, if we were to, if
the US or Israel, the US in

875
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,840
particular, were to attack
Iran's nuclear sites or even

876
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,360
their oil sites, you know,
that's been expressed as a

877
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,680
Iranian red line that could
potentially activate, you know,

878
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,840
Chinese or Russian military
retaliation directly against the

879
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,920
US.
So I think if we, my gut tells

880
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,120
me that if if we don't cross
that line, if we don't engage in

881
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:35,280
direct attacks on Iran and
Israel restrains itself to not

882
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,240
do anything worse than it just
did, you know, so that they have

883
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:42,200
the same kind of limitation,
then I think it probably won't

884
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,320
escalate to World War.
OK.

885
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,760
All right, 'cause it's always
the little ones that I find like

886
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,640
it's the Archduke Ferdinand
moment that always, you know,

887
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,400
destabilizes everything.
It's, it's like the, the most

888
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:00,000
obscure crap that ends up, you
know, throwing everything into

889
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,240
chaos.
Let let's switch gears here now,

890
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,480
because we, we've just talked
about a lot of stuff.

891
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,400
I mean, we didn't even really
touch economy.

892
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,840
I mean, we kind of did, but not
really there.

893
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,400
There's a whole bunch of stuff,
but just from A cause your

894
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,280
emphasis is kind of on foreign
policy and that sort of thing.

895
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:24,640
Take me through all three of the
the kind of the issues we just

896
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:29,080
talked about, Ukraine and
Russia, Taiwan and China and

897
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,080
Iran and Iraq, excuse me, Iran
and Israel.

898
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,760
I want to look at.
OK, what happens if Kamala's

899
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:42,440
elected versus what happens if
Trump's elected to all three of

900
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:47,160
those scenarios 'cause I think,
I think that like the economy is

901
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,840
huge to me.
I, I, I nerded out on it in 2008

902
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,400
'cause it was really hard on
anybody involved in any sort of

903
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,320
development.
So I'm keenly aware of those

904
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,600
things.
I'm also keenly aware that

905
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,880
that's usually a good time for a
dictator to step up is when

906
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:06,360
people are hungry and scared.
But having said that, there

907
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,320
seems like the whole globe is
kind of on fire at the moment.

908
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,200
So I feel like that's where we
need to to focus out here real

909
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,600
quick.
So what does all these

910
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:21,800
skirmishes, all these conflicts
look like under a Harris Waltz

911
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:26,000
presidency?
Well, as I wrote in my last

912
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,800
article that I published, I
think last weekend on the Real

913
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:35,000
War newsletter, which is at DPYN
e.subsec.com, World War 3 really

914
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:36,760
is on the ballot in this
election.

915
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,560
You know, I've, I've never never
really said that before.

916
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,480
It's never been this is an
existential, you know, we have

917
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,200
all these talks about, you know,
existential war for Ukraine,

918
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,360
existential war from for Israel.
Neither of those are actually

919
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,880
true except to the extent that
they provoke their enemies to to

920
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,120
nukem.
But in the case of this

921
00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:00,000
election, you know, this is this
it's it's a question of whether

922
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,400
we survive as a nation or not.
I mean, it's really that simple.

923
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:08,160
If, you know, Kamala Harris was
asked, you know, what are some

924
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,520
of the things that you've
disagreed with on Biden, you

925
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,160
know, with Biden that you would
have done differently?

926
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,480
And she said, I I can't think of
a single thing, you know, So

927
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,120
that demonstrates a couple
things.

928
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:22,000
Number one, it it seems to
demonstrate that she doesn't

929
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:26,080
can't think for herself.
It's not that she can't think on

930
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:27,520
her feet.
It's that she can't think

931
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:32,080
independently at all.
I, I think Biden has

932
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:36,720
implemented, you know, a very
extreme liberal agenda that's

933
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:41,560
been anti American arguably, and
you know, Sukumala would

934
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,720
continue that.
But you know, it's one thing to

935
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:47,160
pursue an anti American agenda
that, you know, crushes freedom

936
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,360
at home, you know, authoritarian
whatnot.

937
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:54,800
But to to pursue a, a foreign
policy that actually invites our

938
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:59,480
enemies to ally together and to
plan joint attacks on the US

939
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,720
that are catastrophic in nature
with, you know, nuclear, super

940
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,360
EMP and cyber weapons, perhaps
even biological weapons like

941
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,640
anthrax.
You know, we just can't, we

942
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,800
can't survive that.
You know, I mean, the Civil War

943
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,720
was the closest we came, I
guess, to, you know, a flight, a

944
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,800
fight for our survival.
It would be far, far worse than

945
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,400
that.
You know, when I talk about

946
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,880
that, that type of warfare,
those types of attack in the US,

947
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,280
I'm talking about the Holocaust,
talking about the Holocaust

948
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:32,480
magnified, you know, many times
over because it wouldn't be just

949
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:37,040
be 6,000,000 citizens, you know,
it could be 250 million

950
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,480
citizens, it could be
255,000,000 citizens.

951
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,600
According to my upper estimates,
90% of American citizens could

952
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,600
be dead within a year following
a super EMP attack.

953
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:50,640
It was a cyber attack.
It might be 78%, assuming the

954
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:55,320
cyber attack wasn't lifted or
you know, otherwise, you know,

955
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:59,040
overcome.
So, you know, this is this is an

956
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,360
election, this is an all hands
on deck, you know, 5 alarm fire

957
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:06,320
moment where if the American
people don't wake up and get out

958
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:12,280
to vote to for the candidates
supporting peace, we we won't

959
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,160
have a country.
I, I really honestly say, you

960
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,640
know, can say I I don't believe
we'll have a country in four

961
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,640
years.
I don't think we'd even have one

962
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,680
in one year.
Up at following the Harris

963
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,440
administration.
True.

964
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:35,320
OK.
So do you see everything going

965
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,200
much different under a Trump
win, right?

966
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,680
Do you think do you think he can
can pull off peace at this

967
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:47,080
level?
So I think the deep state is

968
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,440
going all out to try to take him
down.

969
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:54,480
If they can't do so with
defeating him in the election,

970
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:56,720
they're definitely going to
imprison him.

971
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:58,800
They might even try to
assassinate him as

972
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:02,720
president-elect.
I think that there's a very good

973
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:06,120
risk that he never gets
inaugurated for that reason.

974
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,680
Obviously, if, you know, he'd be
inaugurated in prison.

975
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:14,080
But if he, I think there's a
chance they try to take him out

976
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,560
and, you know, they've obviously
demonstrated a desire to do

977
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,600
that, You know, in terms of the
deep state, I think his Secret

978
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,240
Service detail was.
Penetrated and compromised

979
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,040
during the during the first
assassination attempt.

980
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:32,240
I think Biden kind of, you know,
someone in the someone high up

981
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,440
in the Biden regime.
I won't I won't put fingers on

982
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,800
who, but someone high up in the
Biden regime basically gave

983
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,480
awaken the nod to the
assassination.

984
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,760
They were aware of that.
I'm pretty confident about that.

985
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:46,120
So if they're willing to, you
know, to kill him for wanting

986
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:47,840
peace.
And I really think that this is

987
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,040
the key issue.
You know, President Trump, he's

988
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:52,840
been attacked as an
isolationist.

989
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,920
He's not an isolationist.
He's a, you know, the so-called

990
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,400
isolationist during the World
War Two period that I'm about to

991
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,560
write about, hopefully later
this this week.

992
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,720
You know, they were kind of
regional hegemonists.

993
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:11,600
They they supported US hegemony
in two continents, North and

994
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,160
South America.
And then, you know, supported

995
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,760
imperialism in the Pacific as
well, but they didn't want to,

996
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,680
you know, have a have to fight a
unnecessary World War, you know,

997
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,680
either in the first or Second
World War.

998
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:29,040
And that's kind of, you know, I
view Trump as much the same with

999
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,320
much the same mentality.
You know, he he wants to keep a

1000
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,480
lot of our alliances intact, but
he doesn't want to feel

1001
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,640
constrained to fight a nuclear
war that's not in the US

1002
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,120
interest.
And, you know, honestly, I don't

1003
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,600
think there's any, any nuclear
war would be in the US interest

1004
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,360
to fight unless it involve
nuclear strikes on the US

1005
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:52,520
itself.
So, you know, arguably if Russia

1006
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:56,400
or China took, you know, allied
or took over with, took over

1007
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:00,320
Canada or Mexico, maybe that
would be a, you know, reason to

1008
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:05,400
fight a nuclear war as well.
But yeah, these are these are

1009
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,160
really dangerous in perilous
times.

1010
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,680
I, I think Trump really would, I
think he, he would resolve the

1011
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:15,480
Ukraine war very quickly.
I think Putin would, you know,

1012
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:19,640
Putin's been striving for peace
really just non-stop.

1013
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:23,720
I mean, obviously he's to blame
for invading Ukraine after 15

1014
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:27,760
years of failed peace attempts.
But he's really, he's been

1015
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,560
trying to end the war since the
day after the war began and

1016
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:37,240
initially without any, you know,
any Russian continued Russian

1017
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:40,080
military presence in pre war
Ukrainian territory.

1018
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,920
So that's, that's really a
fairly easy war to resolve.

1019
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,800
And I've written extensively on
my website about how to do that.

1020
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:51,120
It would essentially involve,
you know, neutrality, either

1021
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:55,640
neutrality for Ukraine or simply
a pledge of no NATO membership

1022
01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:00,560
with no NATO military presence
ever allowed in in Ukraine.

1023
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,920
I actually think that the
Russians would accept that.

1024
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,000
I think they could give up their
demand for Ukrainian neutrality.

1025
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:13,520
And, you know, allow Ukraine to
to remain AUS military ally as

1026
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,160
long as we gave up the NATO and,
you know, all the troops and the

1027
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:20,160
bases and whatnot, shut off most
of our weapons shipments.

1028
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:27,280
And if Ukraine was demilitarized
and ceded, you know, basically

1029
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:31,120
recognized continued Russian
control of the foreign exile

1030
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,760
blasts, I think that's an
agreement that that Russia could

1031
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,360
live with.
I think it's something the US

1032
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,400
could live with.
I even think the Ukrainians

1033
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,280
could live with that because
they would retain, you know,

1034
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,800
probably 81% of their
internationally recognized

1035
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:48,960
territory as secure and
independent with really no real

1036
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,160
threat of, of future Russian
aggression.

1037
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,640
So I think that that's an easy
one.

1038
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,360
That's probably the easiest one
to solve.

1039
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:01,720
I think, again, I, I think that
Trump would, in the event that

1040
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:05,520
China actually did blockade
Taiwan, I think he would not,

1041
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:09,840
you know, he would send, you
know, our, our fleet to kind of,

1042
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,160
you know, show kind of show
strength.

1043
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,040
But I don't, I don't think he
would engage.

1044
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:19,440
I think he would, he would try
to use, use that, you know, and

1045
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,880
increase U.S. military presence
in the Western Pacific as the

1046
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:27,160
basis for negotiating a deal.
And he's, you know, he's really

1047
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:34,400
good at that and he's laser
focused on avoiding World War

1048
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,440
Three.
He wants peace and prosperity.

1049
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:40,280
You know, that's something that
most US presidents, you know,

1050
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:45,400
before Biden actually supported.
And, you know, so Trump would

1051
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:49,320
would be kind of in line with
that, you know, more of a Reagan

1052
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,840
peace through strength policy
than the Biden war through

1053
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:56,040
weakness policy.
So I think he could steer us

1054
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:59,800
away from war in both with
Russia and China.

1055
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:04,200
And in terms of Iran, I think,
you know, that's a slower.

1056
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,480
The Israel conflict is a little
bit slower to resolve.

1057
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:13,560
I think there's really not that
much, you know, distance or

1058
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:17,680
difference, I guess, between
Harris and Trump on that issue.

1059
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:23,720
I think Harris does want a peace
deal to end the war in Gaza, but

1060
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:25,840
she's wants to keep supporting
Israel.

1061
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:27,720
And I think Trump's the same
way.

1062
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:32,880
Trump could probably get it done
faster because I think he he's,

1063
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:36,400
you know, smarter about that
and, and really wants peace in

1064
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:40,240
the Middle East as well.
But the, you know, the most

1065
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,000
important thing he's done to
show that he's going to stick to

1066
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,440
his American first principles
this time around is that he

1067
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,640
picked JD Vance as his vice
president.

1068
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,360
So he doesn't have kind of the
devil whispering in his in his

1069
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,120
ear like, you know, he did with
Mike Pence.

1070
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:57,560
I used to like Mike Pence, but
he's, man, I really, really hate

1071
01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:59,640
Pence now.
You know, he, he's, he's

1072
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,520
attacked America first
conservatives as, yeah, you

1073
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,560
know, apologies for Putin and
all that, but he's, he just

1074
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,080
turned out to be a really bad
guy.

1075
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,960
And I don't, I don't say that
morally 'cause I, I still think

1076
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,160
he's a good guy, moral, you
know, morally like Romney, Mitt

1077
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,400
Romney.
But in terms of his policies,

1078
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,400
they're just disastrous.
I mean, he's like a Biden, you

1079
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,920
know, right there with Biden in
terms of his foreign policy

1080
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:24,560
being so bad.
And of course, Romney's the same

1081
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:28,640
way, but now he has JD Vance and
JD Vance is going to reinforce

1082
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,240
every, you know, every good
instinct that he's ever had in

1083
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,280
foreign policy and national
security policy.

1084
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,480
And if they can, you know, if
they can reinforce that by

1085
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:41,600
appointing cabinet officials
that are America first as well,

1086
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,760
then, you know, it's going to
really create great, you know,

1087
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:48,160
the great possibility of of
peace and then enduring, you

1088
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:53,920
know, America that we simply,
you know, won't have under under

1089
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:58,920
a Harrison administration.
OK, two more things then I'll

1090
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:03,840
let you go.
You said here just a minute ago

1091
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:11,280
that you were certain that there
was some infiltration into the

1092
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:13,240
Secret Service.
What?

1093
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:18,320
What leads you to believe that?
If you look at if you look at

1094
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,000
some of the reports that
especially Josh Hawley has been

1095
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,840
publishing, you know, on Twitter
and otherwise, and the

1096
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:29,360
interviews that he's done, he's
exposed layers and layers of

1097
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,840
critical failures by the Secret
Service.

1098
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:35,160
And it's they can't be explained
by just, you know, incompetence.

1099
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,120
We know that that the current
acting director of the Secret

1100
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,960
Service denied multiple,
multiple requests from the Trump

1101
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:45,920
administration to reinforce the
secret, Secret Service security

1102
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:50,640
detail protection detail.
We know that, you know, the

1103
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:56,640
acting or the agent in charge of
his detail basically made it a

1104
01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:00,640
low security event.
She allowed people to come in

1105
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,520
the, the Secret Service did not
even check for IDs.

1106
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:06,960
Obviously the, you know, the,
the shooter, you know, went

1107
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:11,080
through a, a metal detector with
a, a range Finder and, you know,

1108
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,120
they talked to him about it, but
apparently he went through

1109
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,920
anyway.
You know, somehow he, he either

1110
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,680
made it through that detector or
he, you know, repositioned

1111
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:24,000
himself on the rooftop.
You know, I, I just don't even

1112
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,640
remember how many there were,
but it, it was, you know, they

1113
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:31,880
had the biggest, one of the
biggest things was they had

1114
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:35,479
Homeland Security agents that
had never done protection detail

1115
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:40,319
before and who'd only had like
an hour of a zoom video training

1116
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:44,720
on how to do, how to protect,
you know, not, not just a

1117
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,600
president, but anyone, any U.S.
government official.

1118
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:49,960
And that was all the only
experience they had.

1119
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,439
So I mean, you know, they were
doing some stupid stuff.

1120
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,960
I mean, there were some really
great agents, you know, that

1121
01:08:55,960 --> 01:09:00,160
that were protect, you know,
shielding the president, you

1122
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,160
know, the line agents.
I I'm not going to take anything

1123
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,560
away from them except to say
that some of them were very

1124
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,040
inexperienced.
Some of them weren't.

1125
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,200
Most of them were not Secret
Service.

1126
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,359
They were Department of Homeland
Security that had spent their

1127
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:13,359
entire careers doing something
totally different.

1128
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:18,000
But yet they still, you know,
lined up around Trump to try to

1129
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,720
defend him and put their bodies,
you know, between them and the

1130
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:23,680
president.
So I, I have nothing but praise

1131
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:28,040
for them.
But yeah, there's just, I mean,

1132
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:29,439
how did the shooter get up
there?

1133
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:34,439
They refused any, you know, the
request of help from the police

1134
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:39,160
for like drones.
They refused that to show up to

1135
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,439
the meeting.
There was a morning meeting for

1136
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:45,000
every, every single presidential
protection detail has a morning

1137
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,279
meeting that's at the site to
say, OK, this is our

1138
01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:50,359
coordination.
This is our common security, you

1139
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:51,920
know, common communications
channel.

1140
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,880
This is our, you know, this is
how we're going to prevent bad

1141
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,200
guys from coming in.
They didn't, they didn't even

1142
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:58,840
show up.
The Secret Service did not even

1143
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:03,400
show up to that.
They did not even have a common

1144
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:07,720
channel, a radio channel to
share information about.

1145
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:11,200
I mean, the Secret Service
agents or I don't know if it was

1146
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,680
the police, the Secret Service
agent, they had resort to like

1147
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:19,880
texts, sending texts, pictures,
emails, and then secret services

1148
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:21,480
saying, well, we never got the
e-mail.

1149
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,080
Like are you kidding me?
You know, they couldn't have

1150
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,160
just like 1 station or a phone
number.

1151
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:30,360
Like they didn't even have the
phone number of of whoever.

1152
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:33,240
I guess the agent in charge
didn't bother to share the phone

1153
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,960
number with for the local police
agencies.

1154
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:40,520
So they could at least call the
person in charge with with the

1155
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:45,560
local, you know, the local
police policeman on you know, on

1156
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:50,200
site to try to share any Intel
they had about bad actors.

1157
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:52,840
So I mean, that's just, that's
just what I remember off the top

1158
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,880
of my head.
But there's no way you can

1159
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:59,160
explain that by negligence.
It was minimally a very

1160
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:05,600
purposeful initiative by the
Secret Service.

1161
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:08,640
And you know, we know it's not
just it wasn't the Secret

1162
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,840
Service that did that.
It was the Biden administration

1163
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:16,800
to maximize the chances that
Trump would be assassinated if,

1164
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:19,120
you know, an assassin wanted to
do that.

1165
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:23,320
So, you know, while I can't put
my finger on and and say, you

1166
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:26,520
know, was there, do we know for
a fact that they coordinated

1167
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:29,480
with the shooter or do they
simply know about the shooter?

1168
01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:31,840
The shooter was going to show
up.

1169
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:35,440
So they minimize security to
maximize his chances of of

1170
01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:39,120
shooting the president.
You know, it's, it's like we

1171
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:45,440
don't know for sure, but it's
regardless, there's at minimum,

1172
01:11:45,440 --> 01:11:49,920
you know, minimum there's a,
there's a desire for in the part

1173
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:54,400
of the part of the president
and, you know, the attorney

1174
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,840
general that they want Trump
dead.

1175
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:00,600
Whether they're, you know, it's
that's they're taking

1176
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:04,000
affirmative steps to do that or
they're simply aware of multiple

1177
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:09,200
assassination teams that aren't,
you know, administration

1178
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,000
supported hunting him down and
they're just going to try to

1179
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,400
make him vulnerable.
You know we don't know the

1180
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:18,920
answer to that.
You know, as a surveyor, I

1181
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,440
understand line of sight real
well, right?

1182
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,600
Because that's how we
strategically set up our

1183
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,640
instruments to be able to take
measurements.

1184
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:33,360
And I got, I jumped on Google
Earth couple days after and I

1185
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:36,440
was like, OK, I just want to see
the lay of the land, right?

1186
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,520
And like, I looked at where that
shooter was perched and I'm

1187
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:44,440
like, that's where Secret
Service should have been, right?

1188
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:49,640
Now, I know that it had a
really, really super steep.

1189
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:52,080
And by steep, I mean pretty
close to flat roof.

1190
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,120
So I mean, there, there, there,
there was danger.

1191
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:59,520
Not really to be there, right?
And, and I just started lining

1192
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:04,240
everything up, right.
And I'm like, I look, I'm no

1193
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,920
security expert, right?
I've never been in the military.

1194
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:08,320
I've never been a police
officer.

1195
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:12,560
I don't understand that.
But in just looking around, even

1196
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,320
a boob like me would have been
like, yeah, we want some dudes

1197
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,800
on that building, right?
Because he's going to be able to

1198
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:22,000
see the entire crowd.
You can see behind Trump, right?

1199
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:25,640
And not just, it just made no
sense.

1200
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,960
And so as I looked at all that
and you reiterated some of the

1201
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:32,800
things that I had that I had
seen and read and heard about, I

1202
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:37,240
was like, well, unless you put
Cheech and Chong on their worst

1203
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:41,680
day in charge of Secret Service,
this makes no sense that it

1204
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:45,760
could just be inept type of type
of stuff.

1205
01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:50,160
So, and, and it kind of confirms
what I'm most worried about,

1206
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:53,880
right, is just can we just keep
him alive long enough?

1207
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:58,160
Because look him dead, even if
you do not like Trump, him being

1208
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:01,600
dead does not help you.
I know it may seem like it, but

1209
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:08,840
it does not help you, you know,
and, and I'm not saying let me

1210
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:14,480
be careful how I say this.
I don't want to see civil war at

1211
01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:17,200
all.
But if that bullet had been a

1212
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:21,960
couple centimeters in a
direction, I think we could have

1213
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:23,840
been seeing massive civil
unrest.

1214
01:14:25,480 --> 01:14:29,600
Now, having said that, I want to
stay with that topic and wrap up

1215
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:33,560
with this.
What do you think the fallout is

1216
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:40,400
at home here in the United
States socially with a Trump

1217
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:42,160
victory?
What does that look like?

1218
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:45,160
Is there any chatter at all?
I mean, look, you hang in those

1219
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:47,640
circles.
What does it look like on the

1220
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,400
streets if Trump's elected on
election night?

1221
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,760
It's going to be bad.
You know, we know from from last

1222
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,800
last time around 2020 that there
were all these warnings that if

1223
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:04,000
if Trump pulled out a victory re
election victory, that, you

1224
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:09,000
know, the anaphon and the Black
Lives Matter and other domestic

1225
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:12,040
leftist extremists would take
the streets, burn down our

1226
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:15,320
cities, you know, assault the
capital like they did.

1227
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:16,960
You know, they assaulted the
White House.

1228
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:20,280
They, they staged an
insurrection against the the

1229
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:25,080
president in the White House on
May 20th, May 30th, 2022.

1230
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:27,560
A lot of people have realized
that was much more of an

1231
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:31,640
insurrection than, you know, the
riot on January 6th on the

1232
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:32,880
right, you know, on the right
side.

1233
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:35,800
They were actually trying to
lynch the president.

1234
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:40,520
They had, they had they breached
the first White House barrier

1235
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:45,280
and the Secret Service ordered
the lights turned off.

1236
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:48,560
So they deployed Secret Service
snipers to to shoot anyone who

1237
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,880
penetrated the final security
barrier and they rushed the

1238
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:53,440
first family down to the
basement.

1239
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:59,920
So, you know, in this situation,
Biden isn't, you know, he's the

1240
01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:02,760
president now.
So it's going to be a little bit

1241
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:06,800
in reverse.
But you know, Jamie Raskin,

1242
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:10,200
just, you know, I just watched
a, a video of, of his comments

1243
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:15,360
that a friend of mine sent me
and he's basically saying if, if

1244
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,760
you know, that's fine, if the,
if the American people vote for

1245
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,960
Trump, he's, you know, he's,
he's democratically re elected.

1246
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:23,280
We won't let him become
president.

1247
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:27,360
We're going to do the exact same
thing that we we accused the

1248
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:32,960
Republicans of doing, which is
to not ratify his his election

1249
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,640
on January 6th.
And then we'll, you know, pull

1250
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:37,840
every trick out of the book.
You know, he didn't mention that

1251
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:42,400
he used the army to shoot shoot
conservative Trump supporters

1252
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:46,000
like, you know, the president
authorized apparently with this

1253
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:51,840
latest executive order, you
know, document that was was

1254
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,400
released.
But you know, we're going to do

1255
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,160
whatever is necessary to keep
him from being inaugurated.

1256
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:01,480
So, you know, does that extend
to shooting him?

1257
01:17:01,480 --> 01:17:04,480
Does it extend to shooting his
supporters?

1258
01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:08,080
Does that extend to using the
army to put down any peaceful

1259
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:11,880
protests in the capital?
I would say likely yes.

1260
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:17,000
But I, I think actually that's
not the most likely outcome

1261
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,360
we're facing.
As I wrote in my last article in

1262
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:23,440
the Real World newsletter, again
at DPYN e.subsac.com, I'm

1263
01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:27,240
anticipating the exact reverse.
I think Kamala Harris is going

1264
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:29,400
to, you know, the Democrats are
going to steal the election for

1265
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:31,440
Harris.
I think it's going to be razor

1266
01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:33,000
close.
I think it's going to be kind of

1267
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:38,080
a Bush gorvate race where it's,
you know, in that race, it was

1268
01:17:38,440 --> 01:17:40,560
the difference was like 3 or 4
electoral votes.

1269
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:44,640
In this case, I'm, I'm
predicting it will be, I think

1270
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:48,200
Kamala will end up with 270 to
277 electoral votes.

1271
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:52,520
President Trump would be 261 to
268.

1272
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:57,680
Of course, if it's 27268 and
there's one faithless, you know,

1273
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:01,440
Harris elector, then it goes to
a, you know, it's a tie vote.

1274
01:18:01,480 --> 01:18:03,560
You know, it would, it would,
well, it wouldn't be a tie.

1275
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:06,680
It would be two 69268.
But because neither candidate

1276
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,920
got 270, it'd go, it'd go to the
House of Representatives and we

1277
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:12,200
know that they would, they would
elect Trump.

1278
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:18,040
So that's kind of like the
scenario that's that I'm most

1279
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:21,720
concerned about is either if
it's if it goes to the House and

1280
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:24,920
and Trump is, you know, Trump is
elected.

1281
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:28,960
I think liberals have burned,
they'll go nuts and burn, burn

1282
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:34,160
our cities down.
I think if if it's the opposite,

1283
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:37,600
if it's stolen by Whisker, you
know, by Harris, when all the

1284
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:41,200
polls show Trump essentially
guaranteed to win.

1285
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,680
You know, if the polls didn't
change, all the indicators are

1286
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,040
in Trump's direction.
If the election were free and

1287
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:50,000
fairy be assured of an electoral
landslide, electoral vote

1288
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:54,120
landslide, then I think I mean,
I think the chances of, you

1289
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:57,680
know, conservatives, you know,
burning down the cities are very

1290
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,080
low.
But you know, could there be

1291
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,760
another riot in the capital?
I think likely, yes.

1292
01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:06,960
I think there are a lot of
patriots would would come, you

1293
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:11,280
know, especially as I predicted
in a previous interview just

1294
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:14,640
last week, I think the chances
of Trump being going to prison

1295
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:18,720
on November 18th, whether he
wins or loses are nearly 100%.

1296
01:19:19,480 --> 01:19:21,280
I think that they're going to
send him to Rye Corral in

1297
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:23,240
prison.
That's a prison that's known

1298
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:26,760
for, you know, I think they had
38 murders last year alone.

1299
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:30,160
So they could, you know,
potentially take Trump out in

1300
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:33,040
the prison.
But even if they didn't take him

1301
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:36,000
out, you know, just having him
in prison, you know, would be

1302
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,840
something that wouldn't sit well
with Trump supporters.

1303
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:44,280
And again, I don't think that I
don't think there'd be a lot of

1304
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:47,560
violence on the Trump supporters
side, but I think that what

1305
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:50,400
would more likely happen is
there might be another capital

1306
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,960
riot.
And then, you know, Biden has

1307
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:57,320
essentially authorized the use
of lethal force by the military

1308
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:01,480
to to kill Trump supporters if
he deems necessary.

1309
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:06,120
And then, you know, once you
have our old people, you know,

1310
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:09,880
Americans being shot by the
National Guard or the US

1311
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:14,400
military on orders of the of
President Biden, that's when

1312
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:17,920
things get scary.
You know, I, I, I think if you,

1313
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:22,120
you know, if, if Trump gets
shot, if he goes to prison, he

1314
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:25,760
gets killed in prison or he gets
assassinated, you know, there's

1315
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,520
certainly a risk of, of
violence.

1316
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:32,200
But particularly if the, you
know, if the Patriots get shot,

1317
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:35,760
that's what I think it could go
to, you know, not to civil war,

1318
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:42,440
but to severe civil disorder
that we haven't seen probably

1319
01:20:42,440 --> 01:20:47,040
since the Civil War.
Oh, that's a spooky scenario.

1320
01:20:47,600 --> 01:21:00,040
Holy cow.
I said for a long time that we

1321
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:03,800
on the right cannot afford to be
baited into doing something

1322
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:07,280
stupid, right?
And I think this is the time

1323
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:11,880
that, and, and I said that when
I was a young man, right?

1324
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:14,800
That, which was unusual because
I was usually a, a hot head as a

1325
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:20,200
young kid, but even I understood
that this, this isn't what you

1326
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:24,000
want, right?
And I think I, I, I can't stress

1327
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:29,840
enough that no matter how this
shakes out, we have got to not

1328
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:33,520
be violent because they're just
looking for an excuse, right?

1329
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:34,440
Give.
Don't.

1330
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:38,240
That's what they want.
Do not give them the excuse.

1331
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:43,000
No matter what happens, do not
give them the excuse.

1332
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:48,160
Because once they have the
excuse, they will start looking

1333
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:54,920
for far smaller things to drag
people into courts for, right?

1334
01:21:56,200 --> 01:22:00,840
A tweet, a Facebook post, a
picture of you hunting with your

1335
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:05,240
buddy.
Do not get violent, please.

1336
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:10,080
And boy, the other thing, please
pray for our country.

1337
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:13,240
Get on your knees and pray for
our country.

1338
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:19,440
At this moment, I, I'm not.
I usually try not to be given to

1339
01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:25,240
hyperbole, but it feels like
right now, not just America, but

1340
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:28,160
the entire globe is hurtling
towards an event.

1341
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:35,400
And just like underbrush that is
dry, that just takes one spark.

1342
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:41,320
I feel like we're right there
and we we've got we've got to be

1343
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:46,000
peaceful and we've but yet firm
in our resolution for right.

1344
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:50,240
But man, we need to, we need to
get on our knees and we need to

1345
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:54,560
petition the God of Abraham,
Isaac and Jacob to just preserve

1346
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:57,120
us.
Because quite frankly, I don't

1347
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:01,960
see another way out of this.
We've talked about a lot of

1348
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:04,480
gloom and doom things.
Last question for you here,

1349
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:06,840
David.
What kind of hope do you have?

1350
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:11,160
I mean, what keeps you hopeful,
keeps you going well.

1351
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:14,000
First of all, I, I just want to
under score your point is if

1352
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,400
there's one thing that people
can take away that your, your

1353
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:22,160
viewers can take away, is that
you and I and every conservative

1354
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:25,400
you know, worth listening to is,
is calling for peace.

1355
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,120
We're calling for peace,
tranquility.

1356
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:30,720
You know, people want to have
protests.

1357
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:35,280
Just be on the lookout, you
know, avoid any any acts of

1358
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,400
violence.
Don't mess with the police.

1359
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:39,840
Don't get in their faces.
Don't yell in their faces.

1360
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:43,400
Don't be don't don't follow the
playbook of the left because the

1361
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:46,400
left, you know, they have their
allies in power right now.

1362
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,040
They will get off Scott free no
matter if they murder a

1363
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:53,080
policeman or not.
That won't be the case with

1364
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:56,720
patriots, you know, just merely
entering the capital and taking

1365
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:58,720
pictures.
We know that that that's a

1366
01:23:59,480 --> 01:24:04,160
potential prison term.
So we know that it's exactly

1367
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:06,040
what you say.
I think, I think the, the Biden

1368
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:09,960
regime probably hear us to some
extent as well.

1369
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,040
They want, they want us to react
to that.

1370
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:15,960
They want to have a, a Rex tank
fire because they want to have a

1371
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:20,720
pretext to set up their, you
know, declare martial law and

1372
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:26,960
set up their one party fascist
or or Marxist police state in

1373
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:29,600
which, you know, there won't
even there won't be another

1374
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:31,440
election.
You know, that's the irony is

1375
01:24:31,440 --> 01:24:36,840
they're, they're calling for
they're, they're accusing Trump

1376
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,600
of everything they're doing So
they could they say Trump is a

1377
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:43,040
mortal threat to a democracy
trying to stamp out democracy.

1378
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,000
That's exactly what they've been
doing this whole time.

1379
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:49,120
So we have to turn back to, to
Christ.

1380
01:24:49,480 --> 01:24:53,680
We have to, you know, if we're,
if we repent as a country and do

1381
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:55,760
as well.
You know, first Corinthians, I

1382
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:59,240
think it's can't remember the
verse First Corinthians.

1383
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:05,920
I think 7:15 or something like
that says that if, if, if, you

1384
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:09,400
know, if you, if my people
repent and turn back to me, I

1385
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:11,800
will heal their land.
And so that's the promise that

1386
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:16,000
that's really the hope is that,
you know, as Americans see the

1387
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:19,160
world on fire and see see the
country about the collapse

1388
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:23,560
around them and and struggles to
increase, you know, economically

1389
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:28,280
and what not, perhaps with the
cyber attack, you know, that's

1390
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:33,000
when we need to repent.
And, and the Lord has, I think

1391
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:36,680
he's removed to his protecting
arm over the United States.

1392
01:25:37,440 --> 01:25:40,800
But he, you know, if we were to
repent, that would change, you

1393
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:42,240
know, he would he could protect
us.

1394
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:46,440
And even if there our country
doesn't doesn't repent, we as

1395
01:25:46,440 --> 01:25:48,520
individuals and families can
repent.

1396
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:52,240
We can turn back to God.
And the more strictly obedient

1397
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:58,960
we are to to God's commandments
in the Holy Bible, then, you

1398
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:02,640
know, the greater protection we
have for our family.

1399
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:05,040
And it's, you know, it's
physical protection, it's

1400
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:11,080
spiritual protection.
But yeah, in terms of hope, I

1401
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:14,920
mean, President Trump, you know,
the savior's my, my biggest

1402
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:18,320
hope, of course, turning back
to, to God for our country.

1403
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:21,000
But my second greatest hope is
Trump.

1404
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:24,440
I don't think he, he could, you
know, his election, I don't

1405
01:26:24,440 --> 01:26:28,840
think it would save our country,
but he but he is, he is the

1406
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:30,480
hope.
You know, he's really our only

1407
01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:33,120
hope, our only hope of savor our
country in the short term.

1408
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:37,120
We all know the, the second
coming is, is getting close.

1409
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:40,680
I think it's probably less than
a decade away, you know, so

1410
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:43,520
we're, we're living on borrowed
time as it is, but we don't

1411
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:46,320
want, we don't want judgment day
for our country to happen

1412
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:50,320
tomorrow or even in January.
We'd like it to be a few years

1413
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:54,720
away, maybe several years away
to give us more time to prepare

1414
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:59,440
and to repent, prepare for the
this, the Savior's glorious

1415
01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:02,400
return.
You know, when he brings an end

1416
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:05,200
to all nations and this
reestablishes peace on earth to

1417
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:07,680
roll and reign on on on earth
forever.

1418
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:10,160
So.
So that's my hope.

1419
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,640
Good stuff.
OK, your sub stack.

1420
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:19,080
Where can people find that?
So it's at DPYN e.substack.com.

1421
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:23,200
Once again, DPYN e.substack.com.
Perfect.

1422
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,640
Well, David, it was.
It's always good to do this with

1423
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:30,400
you.
I enjoy your insight, boy.

1424
01:27:30,440 --> 01:27:33,960
Let's let's talk again just
after the new year to see how

1425
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:37,840
things went.
Yeah, I'm always to be able to

1426
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,960
talk before then if you want to
do an after action kind of

1427
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,240
review after the election as
well.

1428
01:27:43,480 --> 01:27:45,920
Dude, let's let's do that too.
I think that'd be awesome.

1429
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:47,880
OK, sounds great.
Good enough.

1430
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:49,680
It's good talking to you, David.
I appreciate it.

1431
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:51,120
You too.
Take care, Dave.

1432
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:52,360
All right.
Bye everybody.

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01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:25,640
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