Episode 141: Pushing Evolution Through Deseret Book W/Nate Richardson

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I've had a theory for a while
now.

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There's a general rule changing
the LDS Church doesn't begin at

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the top in Salt Lake City.
It often begins in Provo at

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BYUI.
Think what we're going to talk

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about today definitely fits that
bill.

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Now, we've known for a little
while that BYU had been pushing

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evolution not from a place of
hey, this is one theory, but

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more from a hey, this is the way
it actually is type of place.

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Well, now we're starting to see
the fruits of that.

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On the shelves of Deseret Book
right now is a book entitled

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Let's Talk About Science and
Religion.

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The book's whole thrust is about
showing how the theory of

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evolution and the restored
gospel are totally compatible

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today.
Nate Richardson, who by the way

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has a killer presentation on
this, joins me on the podcast as

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we talk about the book.
Now as we have our conversation,

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Nate shows the books obvious
fallacies, what early Mormon

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leaders had to say about the
theory of evolution, why the

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science on this is not settled,
and then finally wrapping up by

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talking about what some of the
downstream consequences that

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will most likely occur by
adopting the theory of evolution

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Nate, you've been busy, dude.

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Africa reading books, I mean,
what do you do in your spare

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time?
Yeah, and that's it.

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It's funny because you'll talk
to people and they'll be like,

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I'm too, I'm you're, you're too
busy.

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I'm like, well, this is the
reason I'm busy.

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It's like, let me have it.
Let me have the, let me have the

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fun.
This is I'm busy because I

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choose to be, you know?
You know, it's funny.

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It's funny.
You should say that.

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Just the other day someone was
quoting on how insane my

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schedule is.
And it's insane, right?

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I mean like, it's stupid busy.
And someone asked me if I ever

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felt overwhelmed and I told them
in that moment, I really believe

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this.
I have never been this happy and

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this busy simultaneously, right?
Like I feel like I'm engaged in

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something good.
We can get stuff going, right?

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Like really?
This is the most happiest I have

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ever been as as a man 'cause I
feel like I'm right in the

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middle of stuff.
And I think that's the way we

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were all meant to be, right?
That anxiously engaged in a good

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cause sort of a thing.
Yeah, yeah, I'm fulfilling your,

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fulfilling the measure of your
creation, doing some great

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preaching, doing some great.
Yeah, just I don't know about

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that.
I just have other people on that

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do all the great preaching.
I just I just ask questions.

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But dude, when you when you hit
me up just earlier today, you

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were talking about this book
that's out in desert book.

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Now that's not just presenting
evolution in like, Hey, this is

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what it is sort of a thing, but
like really espousing it, right?

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Oh yeah.
What's the name of the book?

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It's called Let's Talk about
Science and Religion.

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OK.
And who's it by?

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It is Seth Bybee and Jamie
Jensen, and it's a series.

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They just wrote the science one,
but it's a whole series on

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different, you know,
controversial church topics and

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basically the whole series.
I've only focused on the science

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one, but the whole series is a
pretty big liberal lean to it

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and it's rather disappointing to
say the least.

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And it's a desert book, right?
It's not like they got to go

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looking for this book.
It's it's published a Deseret

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book.
Wow.

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Which isn't, which is owned by
the church.

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OK, All right, well, dude, let's
before we just dive in, one of

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the reasons that I, I really
perk up when you bring stuff

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like this up is that it's you're
not you're you're an active

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member of the church.
You're a true blue believing LDS

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guy, right?
And I would raise an eyebrow if

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this was coming from another
source.

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But because it's you, I, I, I
tend to put more weight on the

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gravity of the situation because
it's you, right?

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If this was coming from a
fundamentalist, I would be like,

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well, I'd have to sit down and
read the whole book, right?

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To make sure that it's, you
know, on the up and up.

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But when you bring it to me, I
tend to get, I tend to raise an

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eyebrow a little more because
your dog in this fight is to

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preserve the, the gospel within
the church.

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And so I, I tend to to treat
that a little more seriously, if

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you will.
Yeah, church members, the the

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DNC says that the church members
are supposed to, you know, raise

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their voice on things and judge
things.

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You know, we're not just
supposed to be silent, you know,

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mindless.
We're supposed to actually, you

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know, like when they're going to
take all those murals down from

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the historic, what was it the I
don't remember which one, but

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the Saints were like, no, don't
mess with our murals.

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And they're like, oh, OK, sorry.
So like we do need to speak up

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because it does matter what we
say.

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And it's not just, you know, the
the apostles aren't like the

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Demi gods that that, you know,
need to be the dictators.

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I mean, obviously they're
getting Revelation and we

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sustain that and that works, but
it doesn't mean the members just

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need to be pushed around 'cause
like this book, it's wasn't,

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it's not written by apostles.
It's not an official church

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publication, but it is being
sold at the church's bookstore

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and it is being promoted in
church magazines.

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So it's definitely, I mean,
there's groups of members just

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having these book clubs on it
and like, well, I guess it's

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being sold at Desert Books.
So I guess this is, this is the

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will of the church.
No, this is just by some random

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church member who happened to
get published at Desert Book.

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And of course, it matches the
Desert Book brand because

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they're pretty much their brand,
I guess is anything that matches

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the mainstream, that's their
brand, 'cause I know there's

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some creation science friends of
mine in the church that they try

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to publish some of their stuff
at BYU that doesn't match with

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Evolution and it gets the big
thumbs down and they say, oh,

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sorry, this doesn't match our
brand.

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Wow, well, and and we'll, we'll
go into that more later, but

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that's something to keep in mind
as we go along through this for

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sure.
So I'll, I'll let you get into

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your to your slides here because
I, I looked at them and they

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are, they're troubling to be
sure, so.

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Yeah, I've taken like 70 quotes
from the book and I've done a

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point by point response.
So this isn't like perfectly

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organized.
But if you bear with me, you

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will get a really good idea from
this show about what is in this

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book.
And for one, you're going to

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learn that evolution is
definitely being advocated at

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BYU.
It's in the old days it was they

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either skipped over it, calling
it a theory of men, or they

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said, OK, this let's make you
aware of this.

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But we're not going to promote
it as truth.

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It's just here you are getting
an education, so you may as well

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learn about a popular theory and
that way you can make your

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choice right about whether or
not but but that's not what's

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happening at BYU anymore.
I graduated there in 2019.

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I went there from 13 to 19 and I
had multiple professors

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promoting evolution as the the
God-given truth.

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And I have audio recording still
from a class that I took on the

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basic bio 100 class where the
professor was saying that all

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life forms evolved from a common
ancestor and just

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unapologetically just saying
these things.

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And here we are at a church
school where we're we're taught

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growing up that we're children
of God, but now we're finding

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out that we're children of the
ape man.

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And it's really pretty backwards
theologically in a lot of ways.

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So it becomes obvious really
fast when you read the book

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that, you know, these are die
hard evolutionists.

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They, they talk all about the
Earth being, you know, so many

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billion years old and life
appearing on Earth so many

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billions of years ago.
And this doesn't match our

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scriptures at all, you know, and
they talk about how we're the

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only human like ancestors left
from the various species.

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So it's very clear that that
this is all about evolution.

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The book also talks about some
other controversial science

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topics like vaccines, GMOs, but
I focused on the evolution topic

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because I feel like that's
really the big hitter.

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I know there's been tons of
vaccine controversy with COVID,

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but I mean, if you can swallow
evolution, that's wiping out

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Christians around the globe, it
is so bad.

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The author.
So on the back cover of the

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book, it explains that Jamie
Jensen, here's what it says.

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Quote.
She is a also a member of the

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broader social impacts committee
for the Human Origins Initiative

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at the Smithsonian, joining
other religious scientists to

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help the American public feel
more comfortable with evolution.

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close quote.
OK, So her her mission is to get

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Christians to accept evolution.
OK.

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And that's what they're doing at
BYU.

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They're collecting statistics
about how many kids they can

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turn over to believe in
evolution.

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And they do want you to believe.
They want you to basically

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commit and just turn over your
your whole way of thinking, not

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just to consider as one of many
theories, but to be converted to

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evolution as like the bedrock
truth.

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The the whole point of this book
is to say, look, evolution's

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obviously scientifically proven,
so now we need to take our

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religion, and we need to
rearrange all of our religion to

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make sure it fits with
evolution.

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Is there a more apt description
of the philosophies of men

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mingled with Scripture than
that?

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Yeah, man, that's that's it.
That's it.

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It's like here we're going to
our philosophies are our most

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favorite thing.
And then if we can, if we can

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toss in a verse or two here and
there that would make us feel

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cozy inside.
That's spooky stuff.

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It's completely backwards.
Our faith is supposed to be our

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bedrock foundation, and then
when we encounter science that

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matches with that, we accept it.
When we encounter science that

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doesn't match with that, we're
extremely skeptical and we don't

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accept it as truth because we
know that, you know, faith means

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you put God first and, you know,
so wow, this is the there's

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this, you know, like I said, a
lot of people still don't even

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know we're teaching evolution at
BYU.

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The older generation, I guess is
bio 240, evolutionary biology.

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The course description says it's
an intensive examination of

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evolution as the conceptual
cornerstone of biology.

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So what I want to know is this,
if evolution is the cornerstone

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of biology, OK, So that means
evolution is the cornerstone of

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how God made the earth and how
he made the animals and the

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plants, OK, and the people.
So this is this is very

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theological, OK.
Right.

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So the Bean Museum on their
website, it says we inspire,

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wonder, understanding and
reverence for our evolving

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planet.
OK, It's just everywhere you

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turn, OK.
And then right when you walk in,

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there's this display on pre
Adamites, all these monkeys and

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half monkeys that and there's
this tree that supposedly

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connects them.
And we're to believe that these

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were, you know, what went on.
And a lot of people been duped

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by this man.
A lot of people have been duped

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by this.
Hugh Nibley didn't even get

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this.
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yeah, I guess we got these
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I don't know what to do with
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And but really, they, they have
no place in the restored gospel.

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These are skeletons of people,
children, disabled people with

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the crooked spines and this and
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People have different size
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That's normal.
Some people have the enlarged

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brow Ridge.
Some people have the extenuated

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jaw.
Like depending on what muscles

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you use, what foods you eat,
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about as many different looking
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the in the world.
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And then you've obviously got
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There's lots of different
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going to have all kinds of
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They can also have diseased
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They can also have different
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eaten.
So the possibility for for

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variation between these is is
stark.

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And then later we'll talk about
the hoaxes too.

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I guess I'll just bring it up
now.

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This is audio, not video, right?
So I may as well.

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Just it's both, it's both, it's
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OK.
Yep, I I publish on Rumble for

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the video because I'm less
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conversations like this.
OK, so I should share my screen

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then?
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OK, let me do that.
So let, let me while you're

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bringing that up, I want to push
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like I feel like I feel like
this the stark dividing line is,

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is not so much young Earth
versus old Earth, right?

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I feel like we can disagree
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atomites to a degree.
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sentiment is this though.
Once the atom story starts, we

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have a definitive answer right
on when quote modern human life

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begins right.
And so look if if you're an old

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earth creationist, I got no
issues with that.

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What I do have a problem with is
when they say that we start

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evolving from apes because, and,
and I'm going to get into this

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later, there has been a ton of
just human atrocity perpetrated

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because of this, this theory,
because it turns man into

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nothing more than an evolved
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And when you start going down
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stuff there.
Amen.

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You know by their fruits you
shall know them, right?

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Yep, absolutely.
All right, go ahead.

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I'm sorry the.
Fruits of this theory are, you

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know, mass genocide, Yep.
And and extreme racism.

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Yep, and just about every other
terrible thing you could think

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of.
Absolutely.

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It's it's basically just a
completely immoral whatever

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works, you know?
What's the word for that anyway?

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Abomination.
That's a good.

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Nomination and let's see, maybe
I'll think of it later.

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So since I since I know you got
the video here, this is what the

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book looks like.
OK, It says little green book.

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And then there's a funny picture
of reading the Book of Mormon or

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reading this book about how
you're a monkey.

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And then this is the BYU Life
Science Museum, the Bean Museum.

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Those are the Neanderthal
displays, so.

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I like is that your thumb giving
the old thumbs down?

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That's my buddy Jeremy Mitchell.
Nice.

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Yeah, yeah.
And and I guess, yeah, never

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mind.
OK.

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I just want to mention in
passing that Jeremy, actually,

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he said I could talk about this
a little bit.

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He wrote to Elder Oaks and he
said, hey, or President Oaks.

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I mean, he said, hey, what's
going on with, you know, all

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this evolution stuff going on at
BYU and the Bean Museum and

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showing that we came from
monkeys.

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Another Oaks's reply, in
summary, was at BYU.

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We're showing people what the
teaching of the world is, but

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we're not advocating these
philosophies of men.

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But that's not correct.
That was the summary of of

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Oaks's response.
And we would say we have tons of

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evidence that that is not
correct.

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They are actually advocating it.
So it seems like there is some

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innocent, you know, like my
purpose is not to criticize

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anyone, especially, you know, my
leaders I'm promised to follow.

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My job is, is to say, hey, let's
just make sure we know what's

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going on here.
And if you guys are OK with

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this, like, are you OK, OK, OK
at this cause a lot of us aren't

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so OK.
Obviously Brigham Young, he

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despised evolution.
He said we have enough in to

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spare.
At present in these mountains of

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schools filled with young
infidels are made because the

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teachers are so tender footed.
They dare not mention the

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principles of the gospels of
their pupils, but have no

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hesitancy in introducing the
classroom, the theories of

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Huxley, of Darwin.
This of course.

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This course I am resolutely and
uncompromisingly opposed to and

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I hope to see the day when the
doctrines will be taught in the

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schools, etcetera.
OK, Now BYU, they do make you

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read a little, they'll make you
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There's a little packet where
they'll have a few statements

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about evolution and religion in
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But aside from that, they just
trudge right ahead and dump on

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all the evolution teaching.
And I had multiple, like I said,

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multiple professors try to
persuade me that this was, they

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didn't just teach me the theory,
they actively tried to persuade

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me to, to accept this.
And they when I talked to him

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about the controversy and how
there's been teachings against

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evolution for, you know, 100
years, they literally laughed at

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the idea and just shrugged it
off as the prophets are wrong.

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Like they're just shooting from
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You know, in 19 O nine, there
were three BYU professors fired

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by Joseph F Smith for promoting
the scriptures, not literal

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revelation from God and
promoting Darwinian evolution

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and progressive interpretation
of church doctrines.

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So basically when you start to
get into evolution belief, the

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theological and philosophical
trail that leads down really

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doesn't mesh well with the
scriptures.

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And so you have to start getting
this symbolic interpretation of

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scriptures.
The evolutionists in the church

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that I meet frequently, they are
very soft on the Adam doctrine.

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In other words, they don't
believe Adam was a real person.

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They says it doesn't matter if
Adam was a real person.

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There's a famous atheist who
said what evolution has done is

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take away the idea of a first
man, OK.

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And the doctor kind of says
directly that Adam was the first

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man.
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So this is an important part of
the restoration that there was a

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first man.
And we in her book, you know, in

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this Let's Talk book, they talk
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And we actually ran into her at
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And we asked her a little bit
like, what, what are you going

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to do with Adam?
And Jamie says, oh, I have a few

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ideas for that.
Maybe maybe everything was

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evolving.
And then when the monkeys were

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like finally turning into almost
humans, that's when God sent

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Adam down.
And that doesn't make a lot of

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sense because why does God need
to even be involved if if that's

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already, you know, going on that
that really doesn't make a lot

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of sense.
Or she says, maybe it's like

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when the evolution was just at
the perfect moment, God puts

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Adam there.
It's like, well, then you've got

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two.
It's like you're saying two

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engineers made this car.
It's like, no, you only need one

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creator.
You don't need the creator of

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evolution and the creator of
God.

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God can do this stuff.
He doesn't.

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He doesn't need evolution as
well.

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Look at when Jesus healed the
sick.

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He didn't heal them in a million
years by slow process over time.

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God has the power to do things
right now.

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He can command the elements.
He can make creation happen.

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He can take those existing
materials and he can organize

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them.
He can change water into wine,

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right?
He can do things that we don't

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understand.
And the whole point of evolution

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theory is to take God out of
science.

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It's to say, look, you didn't
need God for this because, look,

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it could have happened this way.
OK, What's the heart of

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evolution theory?
It's natural selection, right?

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Right.
Natural selection is the

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opposite of supernatural.
Right.

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We need to realize that
evolution theory was designed as

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a way to get God out of the
picture.

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And so why do we feel a need to
explain our origins with this

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clearly atheistic theory?
If its origins were to destroy

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the Bible and to destroy God,
how is it going to somehow turn

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out to be the very way that the
very cornerstone of biology,

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very way that God created
things?

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So it's really laughable when
Christians try to say God used

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evolution, and that's pretty
much what all the members are

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going with right now.
Oh, yeah, God used evolution.

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And then you ask him, OK, so who
is Adam's dad like?

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Well, I guess it was like a
Neanderthal.

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And it's like, well, that's not
what the Scriptures say.

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This book of Luke says he's
chapter three or something.

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It says so and so the son of so
and so and so and so.

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And Adam was the son of God.
So however you want, however you

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want to look at that one fact is
very clear in the restoration

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that humans are of divine
origin.

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We're coming from up high.
We're not coming from down low,

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OK?
Evolution is you started really

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low and then you went up.
Real religion, Christianity, is

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you started with God and then
you fell, OK.

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So there's there's a couple
things here.

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One is whether you're a
fundamentalist or a LDS person,

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the temple is supposed to guide
you along the path to godhood,

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right?
That's the whole point of the

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temple ceremony.
And in addition to teaching you

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how to communicate with God, if
evolution is a, is a true

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principle, right?
You are now short circuiting

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that to a degree.
Because now you're saying, well,

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if, if, if a monkey can't evolve
into a man, then likewise over

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time when the man just morph
into a God.

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I mean, that seems to be the
secret ingredient in the sauce,

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right?
It's just time.

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So it makes no sense that way.
The other thing I would say is I

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don't have a problem with a
university teaching evolution,

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but call it what it is, it's a
theory like everything else,

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right?
I do believe that there is value

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in understanding the argument.
I'm not a believer in

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withholding theories.
I think the best the the

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solution to bad ideas is to talk
about them, because out of that

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usually comes better ideas.
But when you start making that

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theory of evolution the sole
narrative, well then I got some,

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Then I got some issues.
Because now you're not just

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presenting both sides of the
argument.

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Now you are espousing a certain
point of view that quite frankly

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is anti scriptural.
It's it doesn't keep in in

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keeping with revealed revelation
from the prophets.

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There's some issues here that
have to be dealt with head on.

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Yeah.
And yeah, the First Presidency

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has said numerous times that
Adam was the first man and the

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first flesh, and he was the
offspring, the lineal offspring

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of God.
And it's, I mean, unless you got

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a PhD, it's really hard to see
how how that works with coming

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from a monkey, you know?
Yep, absolutely.

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And and, you know, they'll play
word games.

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They'll say, oh, we don't say
you're coming from a monkey.

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It's like, well, if you zoom out
and look at the bigger picture,

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yeah, you do.
You're saying the lower forms

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through time became the humans?
Absolutely.

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So there's all kinds of word
games to try to make it look

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like we're misrepresenting what
the theory is.

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And just to put this
emphatically, if you want to say

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God used evolution, you're not
teaching evolution theory.

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Evolution theory is natural
selection, not supernatural.

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There's nothing supernatural
allowed.

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Evolution theory is natural
selection And so, and that's The

451
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,280
thing is they are promoting the
whole hardcore spectrum, the the

452
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:34,040
whole evolution theory.
They're not, you know, in their

453
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,880
book they have a few vague
references to, Oh, God is the

454
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,560
creator, praise the Lord, like
aren't his creations wonderful?

455
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,840
But we can only say that so long
when we're rejecting all the

456
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,120
scriptures about God.
And how long can we even call

457
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,040
ourselves Christians if we're
totally rejecting everything

458
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,480
Christ said because the Lord
said, you know, you can say

459
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,240
Lord, Lord, but you're not going
to that's not going to get you

460
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,760
into my Kingdom.
You got to actually do what I

461
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:08,000
say and and subscribe to these
correct things or a lot of bad

462
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,120
stuff is going to happen.
Absolutely.

463
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,000
And when I was at BYUI, had no
clue that there was any kind of

464
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:20,120
alternative science, not a not a
mention, not a whisper, you

465
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:26,560
know, and there's this BYU
professor who famously said to

466
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:31,760
my friend Dean Sessions, he said
there will never be any evidence

467
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,040
for the flood of Noah.
There will never be any

468
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,000
geological evidence for the
flood of Noah.

469
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,000
When have we ever heard that the
science is settled?

470
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,840
Yeah.
So here we have this epic flood

471
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,040
that covered the mountains.
And by the way, it wasn't a

472
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,640
local flood, or else God would
have just told Noah to move and

473
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,000
he wouldn't have bothered
gathering all the animals on the

474
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,440
boat.
OK?

475
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,920
This was a worldwide flood.
And so do you think it's going

476
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:09,120
to change the geology, you know?
Well, and let's let's let's

477
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,480
honestly look at at history,
right?

478
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,680
Why is it every civilization in
the world has a flood story?

479
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,720
Every one of them, from the
Chinese to the Babylonians to

480
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,240
the the Hebrews to Native
American tribes, they all tell a

481
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:37,520
story of a cataclysmic flood.
Sometimes I think that one of

482
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:43,360
the more derogatory things we do
to our ancestors in different

483
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:48,200
cultures is that we just
automatically dismiss their

484
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,400
stories out of hand.
Like, well, they don't know what

485
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,320
they're talking about, right?
You go back to the days when

486
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,240
they were called the noble
savages, right?

487
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,880
Some pretty derogatory and
racist terms that I think

488
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,920
deserve to be scrutinized
heavily.

489
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:13,760
Yeah, yeah.
In science, we've given

490
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,080
ourselves these false parameters
that nothing supernatural can be

491
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,840
involved in the creation.
Right.

492
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,200
And if you want to have those,
you know, arbitrary parameters

493
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,680
on science, then yeah, you're
never really going to figure it

494
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,600
out.
The Book of Mormon actually says

495
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,600
you can't learn about the
creation except by the spirit of

496
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,920
revelation.
So they will never, you know,

497
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,160
ever learning, but never able to
come to the truth until they

498
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:47,600
allow the supernatural.
My, the best explanation I've

499
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,680
heard to how life came in this
earth.

500
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,480
Actually, I was recently
acquainted with a Joseph Smith

501
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,160
statement that not only the
people, but the animals as well

502
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,320
were brought here.
They didn't originate on this

503
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:00,960
earth, they were brought here.
Right.

504
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,400
Yep.
Like I think the way Brigham put

505
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,000
it was if you're going to go
start a new farm, you're going

506
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,800
to take your equipment and your
seeds and all this and you're

507
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,560
going to bring it over and do
that, you're not going to start

508
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,480
everything from scratch, right?
Right.

509
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:21,560
So that makes tons of sense and.
Can I elaborate on this just a

510
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,920
little bit?
Because I think this is worth

511
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,600
pointing out and it's a
connection that I've made and

512
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,720
maybe I'm wrong.
I'm willing to be wrong on this,

513
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:37,080
but if we look at the conflict
in Israel right now, if we look

514
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,320
at the problems we're having on
the southern border, the one

515
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,640
word that gets used over and
over again are colonization,

516
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,880
right?
The Israelis are colonizing

517
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,480
Palestine, America is colonizing
or the United States is

518
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,080
colonizing America.
And what it, what it's done is

519
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:02,200
it's created and it's classic
Marxism in the sense that

520
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,440
there's an oppressor and an
oppressed class, right?

521
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,679
And they need that to work.
Now, if you look at what the

522
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:15,679
gospel purports, which is there
was an intelligent being that

523
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:21,960
came here and placed man in the
garden, that's a form of

524
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,760
colonization.
I don't care what anyone says,

525
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:30,840
that's what it is.
So if colonization is bad and

526
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,280
you have a political agenda to
prove that this doctrine,

527
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,840
whether it's the Adam God
doctrine or the doctrine of

528
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,560
creation, it's a kind of
colonization, right?

529
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:46,679
And now it becomes incumbent
upon you and those who sit in

530
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:52,800
the White Tower of academia to
put this down because they

531
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,320
they're forced to in order to
back up their political theory,

532
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,240
right?
If if man is a naturally

533
00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:04,000
occurring being that is a
combination of cells and

534
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,520
bacteria that get hit by
lightning and then begins the

535
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,400
evolutionary process, well, then
you're not a colonizer.

536
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,080
You're simply a native.
And right now we're quote,

537
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,960
colonizers are bad.
They have a vested interest in

538
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,000
making sure that you are just a
native being of the planet, so

539
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,120
to speak.
Yeah, it's crazy how they'll,

540
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:29,320
you know, they work their way
right up to, you know, even

541
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,360
God's a bad guy cuz he's a
colonizer, right?

542
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,320
Yep.
And of course there's good

543
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,880
colonizers and bad colonizers.
Would you rather be colonized by

544
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,360
the the British Empire or by the
Aztecs?

545
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,040
Right.
Right, right.

546
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,920
Yeah, there's, yeah, No, it, it,
it's absolutely part and parcel

547
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,400
the same thing.
And there is a narrative that is

548
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,120
being pushed and it's even being
pushed at BYU, and it has to be

549
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,920
dealt with head on.
Yeah, human nature is never

550
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,360
going to change.
We're always going to want to

551
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:00,720
explore.
We're always going to want to

552
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:02,800
create new things and make
things better.

553
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,400
If we find something that's kind
of not very good, we're going to

554
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,080
say, hey, guess what?
I'm going to do this better than

555
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,040
you.
And the people are going to

556
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,960
support me in that.
Yep.

557
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,680
And that's OK, you know, And you
know, hopefully you, if you've

558
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,720
got something worth holding on
to, hopefully you are diligent

559
00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:22,960
and you, you prepare yourself,
you know, like Moroni preparing

560
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,240
those fortifications all the
time to where you can stand up

561
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:32,240
and, and defend what you've got.
So like we were saying with with

562
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:35,240
how things get brought to the
earth, this is a very different

563
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,680
idea of of how life originated
then at evolution.

564
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,880
And I guess the Latter Day
Saints who espouse evolution

565
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,920
just kind of don't know about
this or they just throw all that

566
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,320
away about how life didn't
originate on this earth.

567
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:56,000
It was brought here.
One, you know, you can find that

568
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,560
deep in the archives, right?
But let me give you a really

569
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,240
obvious analogy.
It's the Ark of Noah.

570
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,720
Think about that symbol.
It's a person you know or a

571
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:09,720
family on a vessel filled with
animals and everything else

572
00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:12,640
that'll be needed.
They sail over and they start

573
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:17,160
the new world.
So I think that's a big analogy

574
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,000
for us to help us understand the
creation.

575
00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:25,480
Right.
OK, let's let's see here.

576
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,000
Let's go on with a little bit of
this.

577
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,920
Here's some quotes from their
book.

578
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,920
OK this is really crazy because
they're basically saying anybody

579
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,280
who's anti evolution is of the
devil.

580
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,880
They literally say this.
OK quote.

581
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,640
You can almost think of
educating ourselves and our

582
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:47,160
children about evolution as a
vaccination against Satan's

583
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,080
attempts to destroy our faith.
Satan seeks to infuse doubt into

584
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,240
our minds whenever we encounter
something in science, as in

585
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,440
evolution, that seems to
disagree with what we thought

586
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:03,000
about the world. close quote.
So if it contradicts mainstream

587
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,600
science, which remember, the
cornerstone of mainstream

588
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,880
science is evolution, if it
contradicts that, it must be the

589
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,120
devil, right?
So all you meanies who are out

590
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,280
there trying to stop us from
teaching evolution, the devil's

591
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,040
in you.
We're coral.

592
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:27,240
And they again, they say again,
quote.

593
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:30,720
We have encountered individuals
who have the mistaken idea that

594
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:34,640
providing pseudoscience will
somehow save testimonies.

595
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,000
They placed the blame for
declining religious devotion

596
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,680
among the rising generation
squarely on science, meaning

597
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,600
evolution, and believe that
creating and teaching an

598
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,320
alternative to science, as in
evolution, will not threaten

599
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,440
testimonies and will help
students avoid spiritual

600
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,720
conflict.
OK, keyword.

601
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:58,320
Whenever they say science, it's
evolution.

602
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,240
This book is a hit piece to get
you into evolution.

603
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,760
They're saying science to make
it seem like we're backwoods

604
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,920
yahoos, right?
And they say pseudoscience.

605
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,280
OK.
They call anything that's not

606
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,040
evolution pseudoscience.
Sure.

607
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,320
It's so convenient because all
of their science is the true

608
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,760
stuff.
And anything that doesn't match

609
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,600
that, that's the false stuff.
That's all the fake stuff.

610
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:36,440
And so, yeah, they even quote
DNC 50 verse three about says

611
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:40,240
Satan hath sought to deceive you
that he might overthrow you.

612
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,200
OK, they really took this Satan
line pretty far.

613
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,480
I mean, they hit it pretty hard.
But how anyone who disagrees

614
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,880
with them about evolution is
clearly of the devil.

615
00:39:51,640 --> 00:40:00,080
So I can't get enough of that.
Let's let's go on here, OK?

616
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,760
They say they've got mountains
of evidence.

617
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,880
So the scientists have not come
lightly to evolution conclusions

618
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,000
that all organisms evolved on
the earth.

619
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,080
OK.
So anyway, these are merely

620
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,760
mountains of chaff.
They say they're going to talk

621
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,680
about evolution in a non
threatening way.

622
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,880
They say this approach is
effective in increasing

623
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,520
evolution acceptance.
Close quote.

624
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,240
See, and, and this is where it's
not science.

625
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:31,120
Let's let's be perfectly clear
about that.

626
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,720
Your goal is not to quote,
preserve faith.

627
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:42,360
It's not to try and do honest
science.

628
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,840
They're telling you right here
they have an agenda and the

629
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,360
agenda is the acceptance of
evolution.

630
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,000
Period.
OK, The scientific method, from

631
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,560
my understanding in high school
was you have a hypothesis and

632
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,720
then you collect evidence that
either proves it true or proves

633
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:03,720
it wrong.
But when you start from a place

634
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:08,000
of I have a worldview, and now
all of this has to fit within

635
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,840
that worldview, and then you
doggedly stick to it despite

636
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,520
evidence, that's an agenda.
That's not science.

637
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,800
Let's not mince words here one
bit.

638
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,560
Yeah, it's very clear with her
description of her role with the

639
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:30,720
Smithsonian and just herself
admitted mission that you know,

640
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:35,760
I know less about Professor Seth
Bybee, but clearly professor, I

641
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,680
mean they co-authored this book.
Professor Jamie Jensen is, you

642
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:47,160
know, out together.
So it's funny because when they

643
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,040
call everything pseudoscience
that doesn't match with

644
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:55,200
evolution, they they're saying,
well, we're trying to get rid of

645
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,760
science.
OK, but since when are we

646
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,520
saying, like you said, since
when are we ditching the

647
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,760
scientific method?
It's not like we're out here

648
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,880
saying I'm done with making
hypotheses, no more making

649
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,600
observations and tests.
And, and you know, it's not like

650
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,960
we're rallying around with
pitchforks and, and saying the

651
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,520
scientific method has got to go.
Right.

652
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,360
You know, we're not anti
science.

653
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,920
Right.
We are just pointing out that

654
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,240
there are epic amounts of
scientific information that

655
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:33,520
don't hold up with evolution,
and we're pointing out that we

656
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,000
should have known better because
our scriptures said so all

657
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,280
along.
Right.

658
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:46,920
There's there's a ton.
OK, so you could ask where is

659
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,280
all this evidence in the
scientific community for you

660
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,400
know that that is not with
evolution.

661
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:58,720
There are creation science
journals that are good stuff

662
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:02,800
that a lot of the Protestant
communities are involved in and

663
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,600
of course non Protestants too.
But the problem is when the

664
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:13,840
board of directors of these
academic journals are all die

665
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:18,120
hard evolutionists, like they're
not going to publish anything

666
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,120
that's against evolution.
Not a chance.

667
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:26,240
And, you know, it's like in
Russia, in the Soviet Union, you

668
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:28,880
know, where were the capitalist
professors at the universities,

669
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,240
right?
Yeah, yeah.

670
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:37,360
It didn't last long.
They were fired in more ways

671
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:38,880
than one.
Yeah.

672
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,280
You know, there's a lot of
scientists that they know about

673
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,600
this, but they won't talk about
it because they're going to lose

674
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:49,120
their funding, they're going to
lose their job, They're going to

675
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,800
be the laughing stock.
It's just one of those things.

676
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,600
I mean, it's like the difference
between mainstream Christianity

677
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,680
and the restoration.
Sure, there's a lot of great

678
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,800
stuff in mainstream
Christianity, but boy, there

679
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,440
sure is a lot more in the
restoration.

680
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,280
And that's what we have when we
don't have to cling to evolution

681
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,080
theory is we get a lot more
truth.

682
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:15,480
Let's go through a few more of
these.

683
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,840
OK, Let's talk about the human
like ancestors a little more.

684
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,200
Again, I'm not going to for the
sake of brevity and I'm not

685
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,080
going to read all the quotes I
have.

686
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:31,000
I have over 70 quotes from the
book that they're, you know,

687
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,720
they say humans and animals into
an evolutionary past, that we're

688
00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:38,640
the only species left from the
human like people.

689
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,360
And, you know, they talk about
all their hundreds of

690
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:48,160
Neanderthal findings from, you
know, people, Neanderthals from

691
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:53,600
400,000 years ago, OK.
But like I said, we've got short

692
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,560
people, tall people.
These are the pygmies, OK?

693
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,880
I actually saw some pygmies when
I was on my Africa trip and

694
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:07,000
mentioned we actually went and
me and Jeremy and Adam, Jeremy

695
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,280
Mitchell and Adam Salisbury went
to Africa for three weeks with a

696
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,760
guide from France because there
was a lot of sightings of the,

697
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,840
it's called the mokalian bembe
and it's this long necked

698
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,400
creature.
It's about the size of an

699
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,000
elephant that looks a lot like
some kind of sauropod dinosaur.

700
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,240
And The thing is, this is in the
middle of nowhere.

701
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,640
Nobody wants to go there 'cause
there's so many bugs.

702
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,800
There's very minimal technology
out there.

703
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,760
It's by and large, you could
call it unexplored.

704
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:48,960
And if there's legends of
Dragons all around the world,

705
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,160
right?
And historically, and if you've

706
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:56,160
got a, a young Earth where the
dinosaurs died in the flood of

707
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:01,720
Noah, it's not beyond reason
that a lot of these stories of

708
00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:04,760
these big creatures, you know,
and there's even like 3 or 4

709
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,800
mentions in the Bible these
giant monsters, right?

710
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,720
So there really could be some of
these things around.

711
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:16,680
And if they're finding the soft
tissue in the dinosaur bones,

712
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:21,520
like lots of them, which limits
them to 30,000 years old.

713
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:29,960
So anyway, yeah, so as far as I
already talked about others, the

714
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,840
bones and the different size
bones and stuff, let's go on to

715
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,680
another one.
OK?

716
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,160
We talked about the racism with
evolution.

717
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:46,720
This is Otabanga, someone that
they captured and put in a

718
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:49,480
display at a zoo.
They filed his teeth to look

719
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,720
sharp, and they displayed him as
the lowest form of human

720
00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:58,200
development.
He's a Family Guy, you know,

721
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,560
life and kids.
He committed suicide from this

722
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:06,920
insane, you know, and if nothing
else, psychological torture.

723
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:15,640
So, OK, you can also have bent
spines like this where you've

724
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,720
got, you know, kyphosis,
scoliosis.

725
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,200
And so that can be an
explanation for some of these.

726
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,000
We don't need to always
immediately say, oh, that's a,

727
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,960
that's a monkey man right there.
That is definitely a monkey man.

728
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:30,320
OK.
Right.

729
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,560
And then when they do have their
displays like this is Lucy

730
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,720
Lucy's play.
Look how it's standing upright,

731
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,320
right?
They and then look how it has

732
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,920
the feet are human feet.
It doesn't have the the toe that

733
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,200
sticks out like the monkeys do,
that grip to trees.

734
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,520
It's a big difference.
And on the Lucy find, they

735
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:56,680
didn't find feet.
They just decided, yeah, because

736
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:01,320
they had their bulletproof fact
of evolution that they can go

737
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,200
ahead and give human feet to
this this monkey skeleton,

738
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,440
right.
So anyways, whether this is a

739
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,360
human skeleton or some kind of
pygmy skeleton or a monkey

740
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:18,960
skeleton, I, I'm not the world
class expert, but I, we can tell

741
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,560
enough basic things.
And that's another thing is you

742
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,120
don't have to be a world class
expert to figure out basic

743
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,680
truths.
OK, look at the eyeballs.

744
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,280
They this creature that they
made this monster has white

745
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,040
eyeballs.
OK, that's another human

746
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,200
feature.
All humans have white eyes and

747
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,680
the hands as well, They get very
human like hands.

748
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:50,000
And the the guy who was looking
for the guy who found this Lucy

749
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,520
was on a grant to find the
missing link between monkeys and

750
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,400
humans.
And two weeks away from running

751
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,520
out of grant money, he found
this skeleton.

752
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:04,080
Hey, I want to point out a
couple of the things here that

753
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,920
you have in this slide.
One is the skeleton was found

754
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,800
over a 2 mile radius.
Yeah.

755
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,960
And what are they using to say
that this is the same skeleton?

756
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,200
Are they using DNA sequencing?
Is that what what they're doing?

757
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,680
No, it's not DNA sequencing.
Then then how are they making

758
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,400
this claim?
Because there's only one way I

759
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,560
could think of to figure out if
this was the same skeleton,

760
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,520
which would have been DNA
sequencing.

761
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:34,360
The problem with that is, is
that we know that primates

762
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,240
travel in groups, right?
There's, there's packs, so to

763
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:42,960
speak, and you would expect to
find a lot of the same DNA

764
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,320
within those, those those
certain paths, if you will.

765
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,840
And so I would be very
interested to hear the

766
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:54,280
explanation of how is it you
found a whole skeleton spread

767
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,480
out over a 2 mile radius and you
said this all comes from the

768
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,640
same person.
That makes no sense.

769
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:06,280
Yeah, there's a book, Bones of
Contention, and you can go case

770
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,800
after case and look at all these
supposed finds and all these

771
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,640
things that have been in the
books and break them down to

772
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,240
where there's there's just
endless hoaxes.

773
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:26,440
And yeah, the DNA being the same
as human DNA.

774
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,920
But this is another problem, a
big problem with, with evolution

775
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:40,360
is what came first, the theory
or the, the missing link between

776
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:45,840
the humans and the the monkeys.
So clearly, you know, Darwin

777
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,040
sees the birds with the
different size beaks and all

778
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,840
that.
And we can all admit that

779
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,160
clearly animals can make little
changes like that.

780
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:59,680
And we've manipulated dogs into
various different kinds of dogs.

781
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,840
But there are limits.
You're never going to take a dog

782
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:08,760
further than its limits, you
know, And if you crossbreed two

783
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,360
different species, you got the
limit right there that where

784
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:12,840
their offspring will not be
fertile.

785
00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:17,400
And so there's these basic laws
of genetics that somehow if you

786
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,240
add in millions of years the
laws of genetics.

787
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,840
Changed.
Come on, Nate.

788
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,880
Let's be real, though.
How many times have you seen a

789
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,160
can of coke turn into an orange?
I mean, it happens all the time.

790
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,600
Real quick.
The skeleton that you have in

791
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,640
this slide, is that the complete
skeleton?

792
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,360
Is that what they're calling the
skeleton?

793
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,360
Yeah, that's from Wikipedia.
That's the complete skeleton.

794
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:47,160
And so from this skeleton, which
I mean it, I'm just guessing

795
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:52,800
here, 20-30 pieces maybe.
And you somehow extrapolate out

796
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,720
of that to the picture on the
very far right of what you think

797
00:51:56,720 --> 00:52:00,240
this person slash creature look
like.

798
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:05,040
I mean, that's, that's, that's a
hell of a jump.

799
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,360
Yeah, the reasonable mind is not
comfortable with that.

800
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,000
Look at the skin color.
Yeah.

801
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:18,320
How are you getting this?
I mean, like, how do you know

802
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,720
this thing had that much hair?
I mean, there's so many

803
00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:27,640
questions I would have for those
who who put this forward.

804
00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:33,760
Yeah, it fits the narrative that
it's the dark skin hairy beast

805
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,680
man.
And so that's what we get.

806
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,440
So I've got a few others that
we'll talk about.

807
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:51,240
But there is this pygmy village
in Indonesia and they do have

808
00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:56,480
these similar skeletons to where
it's likely that this this Lucy

809
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,760
skeleton is a, in fact a pygmy
skeleton.

810
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:03,600
And they have pictures of their
ancestors with the same physical

811
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:13,360
characteristics.
And so anyway, there's oh, by

812
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,920
the way, I didn't mention this,
but a lot of the supporting

813
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,080
evidence for the research I did
for this was from Universal

814
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,400
Model.
It's a couple of science

815
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,880
textbooks that Dean Sessions
published in the last several

816
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,440
years.
And his books have been

817
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:36,400
criticized because they were
not, you know, I don't know,

818
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:41,280
published by an academic
journal, the book itself or OK,

819
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:49,600
I don't, I don't mean that.
I mean they'll, they'll get you

820
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,480
for anything.
What I want to say is his book,

821
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,760
he's got in blue all of where
he's quoting the academic

822
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,600
journals.
Nothing.

823
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:03,120
It's it's basically like at
least half blue because it's

824
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,760
just Chuck full of the
scientists admitting admitting,

825
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:12,360
admitting that these these
claims aren't all they're added

826
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,120
up to be.
I mean evolution, you're really

827
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:20,040
going out on a limb and it's
really on its way out.

828
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,440
That's the top secret thing
about evolution is it is a dying

829
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,680
theory and it it'll be gone
soon.

830
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:35,960
And we're because more and more
scientists are insisting on

831
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:40,440
that.
And the BYU still clinging to

832
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,280
it.
So BYU is obsessed with being

833
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,800
mainstream.
They're obsessed with their

834
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:55,960
accreditation and it's putting
them behind academically.

835
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:02,520
No, no, and whether that's from
us being a, a historically

836
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,320
persecuted people.
And so now we need, we're like,

837
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,400
hey, we need to make our a name
for ourselves in the world.

838
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,480
We're no longer these creepy
guys who fall around this creepy

839
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,120
Joseph Smith, you know, believe
in all these weird things.

840
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:20,480
We're just normal people, OK.
And you know, so I, I think it's

841
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:25,000
our all stems from our obsession
with being normal now.

842
00:55:25,720 --> 00:55:29,080
Right.
Just, and of course you've got,

843
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:34,080
you know, big people in the
church saying that I don't have

844
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,600
the quote in front of me, but
the, the church is getting known

845
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,360
for exactly the opposite reasons
that it was known for

846
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,160
originally, and they're praising
that as a good thing.

847
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,960
You know, I'm going to say
something else here and this

848
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,920
will most likely piss off a ton
of people I know, but it's.

849
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,120
That's why you like your show.
What's that?

850
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:56,840
That's why you like your show,
Dave.

851
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,040
Stop.
Stop trying to fit in right.

852
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,600
Just stop it.
It's never going to work.

853
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,760
The Lord set us up to be a
peculiar people.

854
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:13,920
OK, Next, stop pining over the
label of Christian.

855
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,520
Just stop, OK?
There's no reason for it.

856
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,080
You know what?
If you want a good look at what

857
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,480
Christianity looks like, go to
the Deep South.

858
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,640
OK, It's it's riddled with
problems.

859
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,480
Be proud to wear that moniker of
Mormon or Latter Day St. or

860
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,080
whatever flavor of that you
want.

861
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:39,160
But stop pining for these things
because all we're doing is we're

862
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:43,200
short circuiting the message of
Joseph Smith in the Restoration.

863
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,080
Just be done.
Stop worrying about what the

864
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:51,040
hell everybody else thinks.
It does not matter, not one bit.

865
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,640
What matters is what the Lord
thinks of you.

866
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:57,600
And if you're going down this
road to be, quote, accepted,

867
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,480
knock it off.
We're not supposed to be

868
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,720
accepted.
We're supposed to be change.

869
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:04,760
Change agents within the
society.

870
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,480
And the more we seek to become
like the rest of society, the

871
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,880
less chance we have to be those
change agents anyway.

872
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,720
Sorry, go ahead.
Yeah, that's great.

873
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,760
You know, there is, you know, we
want to make a name for Christ

874
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,560
in the world and we we want to
show the world how Christianity

875
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,720
is really done right.
But it's not going to be by us

876
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:30,040
marching around and just going
back to how, you know, the world

877
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,400
thinks Christianity should be
done right.

878
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,120
That's that was never the
mission of the restoration.

879
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,520
The restoration is about being
different.

880
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:42,760
Yep.
OK, so let me just quickly go

881
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,160
over a few more frogs.
Peltdown Man was the job owner

882
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,920
of an orangutan with fragments
of a modern human skull.

883
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,000
It was praised as the missing
link for 40 years before it was

884
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,440
discovered and there are over
500 academic journal articles

885
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:00,360
showing how awesome it was.
And it was later it was later

886
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,760
proved to be a hoax.
Yeah, you can Wikipedia these

887
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:09,240
things, these are proven hoaxes.
So no matter how many times we

888
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:14,920
prove that there are all these
hoaxes and literally lies

889
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:19,280
holding up this theory, you
know, you can react to that

890
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,080
however you want.
Just don't get rid of evolution

891
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,760
theory, right?
And that's the same thing that

892
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,400
Jamie Jensen's theories of Adam
all circle around is.

893
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,280
You know, there could be
different ways to explain Adam,

894
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:35,280
but one thing has to be true,
and that is evolution, right?

895
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,520
You can't let go of evolution.
You can let go of anything else,

896
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,280
but just hold on to that
evolution.

897
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:45,880
Evolution is the rock to build
your faith on because when

898
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,880
everything else washes away,
evolution shall not wash away.

899
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:55,760
So OK, The Nebraska man was used
as evidence for evolution for a

900
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,560
long time.
All they had of him was one

901
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:58,960
tooth.
They later found that it was the

902
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,800
tooth of the pig.
A pig.

903
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:08,880
Wait wait wait wait, excuse me?
They based everything off of 1

904
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,080
tooth.
One tooth, man.

905
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,200
Well, I guess the science is
settled.

906
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,280
I guess we can just wrap her up
and call her a day.

907
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,320
Yeah, let's just meet together
and have a big Bible burning

908
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,880
party because we were wasting
our time with all that nonsense.

909
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,480
Yeah.
Yeah, this picture I hear this

910
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,320
is the Nebraska man.
This is what that tooth told

911
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,720
them.
Jeez.

912
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,720
And and there's his cousin
crawling around.

913
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,120
Hilton man, I I think I've heard
of this.

914
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,640
This was the first guy whoever
decided to rent out rooms in his

915
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:48,440
cave if I'm not mistaken.
Good.

916
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,960
Yeah.
So the jaw broke in, the teeth

917
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,280
filed down.
OK again, 50 years later.

918
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,360
Oh, sorry, guys.
I mean, when your kids have left

919
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,840
the church.
OK, let me let me rephrase that

920
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:05,560
because I'm sorry the audience.
Let me say when your kids don't

921
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,960
give a crap about God anymore.
And they want to piss on

922
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:13,840
everything Mormonism. 50 years
later, we'll show them that,

923
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:20,400
oops, the reasons that you were,
you know, so angry against all

924
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,000
things Mormonism and all things
God for those were hoaxes.

925
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,960
I'm sorry but by then it's too
late man.

926
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,720
You.
Know by then they've, they've

927
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:32,040
lived their life.
And so it's really tragic.

928
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,680
And you know, you go to school
and you hear this nonsense,

929
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:37,720
You're not going to hear an
alternative.

930
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,320
I didn't hear any alternative.
I, you know, I grew up in Utah.

931
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,440
You're probably a lot better off
to go grow up in the Bible Belt

932
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,560
with all their problems.
Then maybe they'll at least tell

933
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,680
you that evolution is
questionable.

934
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,360
And maybe they'll at least tell
you there's such a thing as

935
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,520
creation science and tell you
there there's such a thing as a

936
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,200
Bible that disagrees with
evolution.

937
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:03,840
Anyway, I, I, I will.
So let's go on the enlarged brow

938
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,320
Ridge, OK?
This is not an uncommon thing.

939
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,760
Some people just have a larger
brow Ridge.

940
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,080
So when you see these skulls
with these big old brow ridges,

941
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:18,400
OK, Another thing is if you use
certain muscles, the bones by

942
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:23,720
those muscles can get bigger.
And then also, if you have a

943
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:27,760
longer lifespan, your brow Ridge
is going to keep growing.

944
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:32,280
So look at the time before the
flood and all that when the

945
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,160
patriarchs were living almost
1000 years, right?

946
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,680
Well, you think they could have
developed slightly different

947
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,040
skull shapes?
Over that time.

948
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,000
Yeah.
Yeah, especially, you know,

949
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,280
given diet and those sorts of
things.

950
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,680
And, and this is, I think, a
good point to point out, Nate,

951
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,120
that it's not like we're a
couple of guys on here just

952
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,880
completely pissing on science.
That's not it, right?

953
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,760
Saying is, is that there's a
difference between adaptation,

954
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,160
which I firmly believe is a
thing, right?

955
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:06,680
We see it all the time versus
evolution.

956
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:10,280
They are two separate things,
and one doesn't necessarily have

957
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:15,320
anything to do with the other.
Yeah, for sure.

958
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,680
And there's a First Presidency
statement that says we don't

959
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:22,280
have a problem with
demonstratable science, we just

960
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,520
needed to be demonstratable.
Right.

961
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:29,240
You know, and if it's something
that just really, you know,

962
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:34,680
proves that Jesus was a fraud,
we're not really going to be

963
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:39,200
jumping on that science either
because we already have certain

964
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:46,000
facts in place and where we have
that knowledge, you know, by the

965
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,520
Holy Ghost.
And so, and we need to recognize

966
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:53,160
the Book of Revelation says the
devil has deceived the whole

967
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,000
world.
Yep.

968
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:59,720
It is so possible for a massive
deception to go on.

969
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,880
Two fun examples are in the
Manhattan Project.

970
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,760
How many people knew they were
building a nuclear bomb housing

971
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,720
structure?
Quite a few, right?

972
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,000
Because they worked on it,
right?

973
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,040
There was a lot of people that
worked on that thing.

974
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,800
They all worked on it, but it
was top secret.

975
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,400
They weren't told what they were
building.

976
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:25,080
And then, you know, the, the war
tank, they thought they were

977
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,400
building a tank to carry water.
That's why they called it a

978
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,200
tank.
They didn't know what they're

979
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:30,200
doing.
It was top secret.

980
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:35,520
So when the powers that be have
something they want to push or

981
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:40,600
do, they can do a lot of work
without tell them what's going

982
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:44,160
on behind the scenes.
And I think people need to

983
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,200
believe that there's not only
supernatural good, but there's

984
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,400
supernatural evil.
Yep, absolutely.

985
01:03:51,480 --> 01:04:01,120
The supernatural evil powers do
have they want this is evolution

986
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:04,360
is an extremely effective way to
get rid of faith in God.

987
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:08,000
Yep.
So the irony of of Christian

988
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,840
evolution is just endlessly.
It's the endless oxymoron.

989
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:16,000
This.
The theory of evolution is only

990
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,600
about 200 years old.
Think of it.

991
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:23,240
Is this a last days theory?
This is an apocalyptic theory of

992
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:27,520
doom.
Yeah, well, that's that's the

993
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,560
other thing.
People who want to ascribe

994
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:34,480
evolution to God.
Evolution is a brutal, brutal

995
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:39,000
theory, right?
It is a theory that is riddled

996
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:43,520
with extinction and destruction
on an epic scale.

997
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,840
If you're going to espouse that,
fine, espouse it.

998
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:51,680
But don't, don't bring God into
that mix because it is a

999
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:57,120
horrible way of looking at human
progression throughout time.

1000
01:04:58,280 --> 01:04:59,800
Yeah, Is that the best God could
do?

1001
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:04,320
Right, right.
If if that's the best a God

1002
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,360
could do, why would I follow
that God?

1003
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,480
That makes no sense.
Right.

1004
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,560
OK, let's do a little bit on
elongated skulls, OK?

1005
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,720
We know there's customs like
Chinese foot binding, African

1006
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,240
neck stretching there.
They put these weird things,

1007
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:29,680
these bands on their heads.
OK, this is it's this is African

1008
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,240
cranial deformation.
This is a thing.

1009
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:35,000
And so when you get these weird
skulls, and I'm not saying I

1010
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,600
have all the answers, but I'm
saying can we at least consider

1011
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:42,360
that not every weird skull is a
monkey man?

1012
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,680
I'm.
Saying with elongated skulls,

1013
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,400
you just have to watch The
History Channel.

1014
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,080
They'll tell you they're aliens.
I mean, that's fine, you know?

1015
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,480
Yeah, there's that too.
And, and when there is these

1016
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,280
different creatures, like let's
say, you know, aliens are

1017
01:05:56,280 --> 01:06:00,280
different weird creatures, those
those are just different

1018
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,880
creations.
They're not from evolution.

1019
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,440
Nothing's from evolution.
Evolution doesn't work no matter

1020
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:10,080
how long you give, OK, millions
of years.

1021
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:14,960
You're, you know, Darwin said he
could envision the polar bear

1022
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:21,240
becoming a whale over time.
It doesn't work no matter how

1023
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,280
long you have.
And I had someone say to me

1024
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,400
once, I said, well, you know,
we've never observed a species

1025
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,200
actually change, right?
And they said, well, that's not

1026
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,200
the point.
The point is the millions of

1027
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,720
years.
We haven't waited long enough.

1028
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,920
If you wait the millions of
years, then you will see the

1029
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:44,080
species change from dramatic
change, right, to something

1030
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:47,240
completely different.
And the response to that is

1031
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:48,680
plain and clear.
It is.

1032
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:53,040
No one has seen it.
No one has waited long.

1033
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,120
We don't have any science labs
that have been open for millions

1034
01:06:56,120 --> 01:07:00,320
of years, OK.
And we'll talk about radiometric

1035
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:01,600
dating and all the problems with
that.

1036
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:07,600
But when you've got the, you
know, when you've got that

1037
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:11,240
study, let me know of the
watching millions of years.

1038
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:14,720
So in other words, it's not
demonstratable science, Right.

1039
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,520
OK.
Yeah.

1040
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,720
Many different kinds of monkeys
are a lot of these skeletons

1041
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,200
too.
And they depict them standing

1042
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,040
upright to That's another,
that's another unfair thing they

1043
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:31,680
do.
OK, there is a plethora of

1044
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:33,040
statements that we could go
over.

1045
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:38,760
So this one is an anthropologist
in the the American Museum of

1046
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,360
Natural History.
We have a desire to see the

1047
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:49,360
story of bipedalism, meaning
going from 4:00 to 2:00 legs as

1048
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:52,440
linear progressive thing.
But evolution doesn't evolve

1049
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:54,760
toward anything.
It's a messy affair full of

1050
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:59,280
diversity in dead ends.
So if evolution doesn't evolve

1051
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,920
toward anything, why is this?
What's in the textbooks?

1052
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:04,080
Right.
This is what the kids are

1053
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:07,200
getting taught.
But the scientists are saying,

1054
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,360
well, actually, a real
understanding of evolution is

1055
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:14,040
that things aren't becoming
towards anything.

1056
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:16,840
They're just kind of all over
the place and, and what do you

1057
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,479
know it?
We got humans.

1058
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:22,920
So we need to change the story
that our kids are getting at

1059
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:28,600
least to reflect this, because
we can prove by the rocks, you

1060
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:32,680
know, the fossils.
Like bro, show me, show me this

1061
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,880
progression, this linear
progression, and you literally

1062
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,560
can't do it.
And you've got people admitting

1063
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,319
that all over the place.
You cannot demonstrate with

1064
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,279
fossil progression that lower
life forms changed into larger

1065
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:48,439
life forms.
And not just that, but let's be

1066
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:52,880
clear on this, that missing link
that everybody talks about that

1067
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,200
still hasn't been found.
Yeah.

1068
01:08:55,720 --> 01:09:01,720
For sure to to science it is
still a theory that missing link

1069
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:05,880
has never been found, most
likely because it doesn't exist.

1070
01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:10,680
Because if evolution work like
Darwin put forth and later

1071
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:14,319
scientists have backed, we
should see these stages

1072
01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:20,920
everywhere and we just don't.
We have different animals, but

1073
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:25,000
nothing that would indicate,
like you were saying, a

1074
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:28,200
progressive March towards
something that would resemble a

1075
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:31,840
human.
Yeah, and I invite the scoffers

1076
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:35,319
who are are new to this, the
idea that this might not be

1077
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:37,200
correct.
I invite them to get a copy of

1078
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:43,720
Universal Model volume to go to
the Evolution chapter and look

1079
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:48,760
at the 20 hour version of this
conversation and dig into a lot

1080
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:53,880
more of the research.
It's really the best documented

1081
01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:55,880
material I've seen on the
subject.

1082
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:59,480
Another really good one is Earth
in the Beginning by Walt Brown.

1083
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:03,760
You can get that one free at
creationism.org in their

1084
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:09,200
downloads area.
And then I actually do, for

1085
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:12,440
those who want to start seeing a
little more details on what

1086
01:10:12,440 --> 01:10:15,920
Universal model textbooks are
about, I have lots of summary

1087
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,520
pamphlets that you can download
for free at

1088
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:22,920
richardsonstudies.com.
God willing, you know, who knows

1089
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:29,280
how long that'll be up.
But OK, so, so if you're, if

1090
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:31,600
you're hearing, oh, what do you
mean the fossils don't show

1091
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:34,480
linear progression?
OK, wait and see, man.

1092
01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:38,320
Because they don't.
And we don't, we can't hash it

1093
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:41,160
all out.
But these are series.

1094
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:44,600
This is a display which was
bought by a Science Museum,

1095
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:49,560
bought from Playboy, actually.
I don't know.

1096
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,920
I don't know what they're up to.
Well, Hugh Hefner, he was a hell

1097
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:55,800
of a scientist.
People forget that while he was

1098
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,160
in that smoking jacket, he also
did science.

1099
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:04,640
I'm just saying I I think that
that's beyond beyond beyond.

1100
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:08,560
Endless, endless experiments in
the realm of biology.

1101
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:10,760
Yes, yes, Hugh.
Hugh Hefner was a hell of a

1102
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:12,560
scientist.
Yeah, so.

1103
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:18,640
This is just another scientist
saying that this arrangement of

1104
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:23,480
an orderly procession from short
monkey to less short, less

1105
01:11:23,480 --> 01:11:28,920
monkey all the way up to a man
is a is a subjective

1106
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:33,040
unscientific scenario.
So this is what I mean when when

1107
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:36,960
you dig into what is being said,
you know, they can't say it all

1108
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:47,320
the time, but it is in there.
And OK, so let's see here.

1109
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:51,600
I'm going to.
OK, OK.

1110
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,320
Darwin says he knew that, a big
challenge to his theory.

1111
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:59,200
He says there's another
difficulty, more serious.

1112
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,240
I allude to the manner in which
many species in several of the

1113
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:05,840
main divisions of the animal
Kingdom suddenly appear in the

1114
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,240
lowest known fossiliferous
rocks.

1115
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:16,920
OK, so basically you do find
these complex things in lower

1116
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:18,880
fossil areas.
Does that make sense?

1117
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:23,440
Yep, cause evolution is all
about simple to complex.

1118
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:28,640
And that's, that's a nice
theory, but that's not what

1119
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,320
reality.
It's not what the dirt shows.

1120
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:37,040
Let's go on.
OK, the human ancestor tree full

1121
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,720
of gaps.
OK, you can't piece this

1122
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:44,040
together.
Let's see.

1123
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:45,560
There's some more.
I'm going to skip those.

1124
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:47,680
OK, here's a fun point to talk
about.

1125
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:53,480
And OK, I'm yeah, we're going to
be doing a lot of a lot more.

1126
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:58,160
Let's talk quotes.
I'm, I'm sorry that I I can be

1127
01:12:58,160 --> 01:12:59,520
long winded, Dave.
You're good.

1128
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:03,200
You're doing just fine.
You're going to get a lot more

1129
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:06,120
let's talk as well.
And, and a lot of things that I

1130
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:10,520
am talking to, they teach
against like they these are

1131
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,560
responses.
I've read the book, you know,

1132
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:16,200
I've, I've, I've dug through
that thing a lot.

1133
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:22,400
And so I'm I anyway, this is all
responding to that these things.

1134
01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:26,760
OK, so this is a bunch of
fossils that of animals that

1135
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:30,240
have not evolved, clearly.
OK, we've got a wasp fossil,

1136
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:34,600
some crawdads and some bacteria
that are 45,000 generations

1137
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:35,960
later.
They're still bacteria.

1138
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:40,800
The humans, I think it was 20.
Yeah, just 2000.

1139
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:44,600
So they say the human species
changed in 2000 generations, yet

1140
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:50,960
we have bacteria 45,000 later.
Why haven't they evolved into a

1141
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:51,960
new species?
Right.

1142
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:57,160
But they're still right there.
OK, Another fun point is there

1143
01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:01,880
is a comedian who I think it was
is Chris Rock a comedian?

1144
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:04,920
Yes.
OK, I think he was the one doing

1145
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:08,160
it.
He was talking about evolution

1146
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,840
and he says why?
If if we evolve for monkeys, why

1147
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:12,360
do we still have monkeys walking
around?

1148
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,840
Are they all the retarded
monkeys you know?

1149
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:22,600
That's awesome.
So you have to go look up Chris

1150
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:25,960
Rock and see that.
But another other thing about

1151
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:29,200
this is where's all the, where's
all the cat dogs?

1152
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:33,320
So if we all evolved from a
common ancestor and then we

1153
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:37,720
sprouted out, there would be so
there would be an extremely

1154
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:41,560
astronomical amount of diversity
beyond what we have right now.

1155
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:43,960
Right now, I can go outside and
I can tell you pretty easily

1156
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:46,000
what's a cat and what's a dog,
right?

1157
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:52,720
But if evolutionary case, you'd
have about 3000 species of cat

1158
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:56,280
dogs to where you would not know
where the cat starts and where

1159
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:58,120
the dog ends and all that.
You know what I'm saying?

1160
01:14:58,440 --> 01:14:59,040
Right.
Yep.

1161
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:03,680
So this is the fact that we have
very specific, very different

1162
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:11,040
animal species is a big evidence
that these were not coming from

1163
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:12,880
a common ancestor.
Right.

1164
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:20,000
OK, I talked about that already.
If we, we talked about how, you

1165
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:23,120
know, atheist William Craig says
evolution gets rid of the 1st

1166
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:26,800
man and some that we've seen in
science over and over is if you

1167
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:30,840
can prove something without a
certain variable, that variables

1168
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:34,840
probably obsolete.
It doesn't even exist.

1169
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:39,560
For example, Davey showed that
caloric is not a thing.

1170
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:43,120
They thought heat was this like
flowing substance.

1171
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:46,800
We know heat now is the movement
of particles.

1172
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,880
But before then they thought
heat was its own element.

1173
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:53,080
But then Davey showed, look, I
don't need that element.

1174
01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:55,840
I can rub 2 ice blocks together
and make heat.

1175
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:58,640
That elements clearly wasn't
here before and now it is

1176
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:00,440
because these are melting at an
increased rate.

1177
01:16:00,440 --> 01:16:04,640
So he proved that caloric
doesn't exist because you don't

1178
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:07,240
need it to explain heat.
And then the same thing

1179
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:11,160
Lavoisier did with caloric with
logistin.

1180
01:16:11,440 --> 01:16:15,000
They thought there was this
basically magical substance in

1181
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:20,640
that that caused rust, and he
was able to make the rest

1182
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,400
without the magical substance
and just demonstrate that it was

1183
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:25,600
a reaction of the oxygen in the
metal.

1184
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:30,360
And so he says, look,
phlogiston, we can prove that

1185
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:31,920
everything's working without
phlogiston.

1186
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:33,920
So guess what?
Phlogiston probably doesn't

1187
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,560
exist.
OK, the reason I tell you this

1188
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:40,040
is because the evolution theory
is doing the exact same thing to

1189
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:42,680
religion.
They're saying we can prove

1190
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:47,000
everything in nature how it got
here, and we can do it all

1191
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:48,800
without God.
So guess what?

1192
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:56,400
God probably doesn't exist.
OK, Spooky.

1193
01:16:56,400 --> 01:17:02,160
OK, Now the Latter Day Saints,
they are a special people

1194
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:05,520
because they have information
about how important the family

1195
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,800
is that God is a family man.
OK, and we're going to be

1196
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:14,080
sensitive as we just briefly
discussed this, but if God, you

1197
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:17,720
know, we know God is married.
We know children are like the

1198
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:22,120
best blessing from God.
OK, it it really isn't a stretch

1199
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:25,440
to figure out that humans didn't
have to evolve.

1200
01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:31,760
They are the posterity of God.
That is that is special.

1201
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:35,520
That is that is life changing.
When you can figure that out,

1202
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:39,000
right?
When Christianity figures that

1203
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,800
out, they're going to
everything's going to change.

1204
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:47,240
You know, we know God has a
tangible body of flesh and

1205
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,560
bones.
And, you know, we're not one of

1206
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,960
those churches that says, oh,
the fall was was from the sin of

1207
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,240
sex, right?
Right.

1208
01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:00,800
We know that God wants marriage
to happen, OK?

1209
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:04,080
He wants happiness to happen.
He wants children to happen.

1210
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:12,040
OK, so another idea of how life
got to Earth is that maybe they,

1211
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:16,200
like some kind of germ, floated
here on an asteroid and started

1212
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:18,280
everything off.
Well, First off, where did that

1213
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,320
germ come from?
So that's just avoiding the the

1214
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:24,800
topic of origins.
And 2nd off, you'd never make it

1215
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:26,880
through space, man.
You'd never make it.

1216
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,640
It's too cold.
And the impact and all this.

1217
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:37,680
OK, OK, so there's plenty of
restoration teachings that

1218
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:43,840
Adam's dad was God.
OK, Brigham Young says mankind

1219
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:47,200
are here because they are
offspring of parents, as in Adam

1220
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:49,880
and Eve, who were first brought
here from another planet.

1221
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:52,920
The power was given them to
propagate their species, and

1222
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:54,920
they were commanded to multiply
and replace the earth.

1223
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:58,760
God created man as we create our
children, for there's no other

1224
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:02,880
process of creation in heaven,
on the earth, in the earth, or

1225
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:07,240
under the earth, or in all the
eternities, that is, that was or

1226
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:10,560
there ever will be.
We are flesh of God's flesh and

1227
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:14,480
bone of his bone.
OK, now if you have, if you're

1228
01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:17,240
some kind of weirdo that doesn't
like Brigham Young, let's hear

1229
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:18,600
what Joseph Smith said.
OK?

1230
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:22,280
Hiram Andrus, a Joseph Smith
scholar, taught that.

1231
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:26,520
Joseph taught that God was the
great head of human procreation

1232
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,600
and it was truly the father of
both our spirits and our our

1233
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:32,960
physical bodies.
And I think that's somewhere in,

1234
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:34,720
in either the fallout or the
Grove or something.

1235
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:36,960
It's probably not too hard to
see where he got that from.

1236
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:39,760
I just don't have it with right
now.

1237
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,680
Joseph F Smith, OK, man was born
of a woman.

1238
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,360
Christ the Savior was born of a
woman.

1239
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:46,080
God the Father was born of a
woman.

1240
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:50,520
Adam, our Adam, our earthly
parent was also born of a woman

1241
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:52,120
into this world, the same as
Jesus.

1242
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:57,040
And you and I basically, if
you've got, you know, a human,

1243
01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:02,080
it came from a woman, OK And.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.

1244
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:03,960
They're called birthing people
now, Nate.

1245
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,880
Oh yeah.
Get get, get your terminology

1246
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:08,000
right.
Geez.

1247
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:15,520
Oh man, let's see.
OK, so one of the thing that the

1248
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:18,360
Let's Talk book does is it is a
partial quote, this Elder

1249
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:21,800
Holland quote, where Elder
Holland really is talking

1250
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:24,840
against evolution.
But they put it in here into

1251
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:27,800
their book probably to just say,
look, I covered my ground.

1252
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,640
I talked about that.
I proved that because I talked

1253
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:32,520
about it that it's not against
my theory.

1254
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,560
It's one of those double think
things, right?

1255
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,720
Same when they have to mention
the First Presidency statements

1256
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:42,280
in their book.
So look what Holland says.

1257
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:46,040
He says it's uncommon as it is
unfashionable to speak of Adam

1258
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:48,880
and Eve or the Garden of Eden or
a fortunate fall into mortality.

1259
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:52,720
But we can't fully comprehend
the atonement until we

1260
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:56,880
appreciate the let's see that
there was an actual Adam and Eve

1261
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,800
who fell from an actual Eden
with all the consequences that

1262
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:04,680
fall carried with it.
OK, Now he does play it safe to

1263
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:08,360
his his evolution audience.
And he says here, I do not know

1264
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:11,520
the details of what happened on
this planet before that, but I

1265
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:13,320
do know.
OK, so that was his little

1266
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:15,240
disclaimer that, you know,
people aren't going to get out

1267
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:18,080
their pitchforks right then and
kill him on the spot.

1268
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:21,640
Then he goes on, These two were
created on the divine hand of

1269
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:23,760
God for time.
They lived in a paradise school

1270
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:26,720
setting where there was neither
human death nor future family.

1271
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:30,040
OK, but through choices they
transgressed the commandment

1272
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,600
making them leave the garden and
allow them to have children

1273
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:36,920
before they face physical death.
So the clear reality is that

1274
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,360
there was no death before the
fall.

1275
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,560
That's second Nephi chapter 2
verse 22.

1276
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:46,080
And the book Warren says
everything that was created

1277
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:49,120
would have remained in the same
state after which it was

1278
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:51,360
created.
Does that sound like evolution

1279
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:54,000
to you?
No, no, no.

1280
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,760
Remaining in the same state.
You're created in everything.

1281
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:02,680
This isn't just about humans.
This is about everything, the

1282
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:07,360
animals, everything, Right.
So, so at the end of the day,

1283
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:13,240
this this Holland statement is,
is clearly saying that there was

1284
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:15,080
an actual Adam Eve.
And like I said, a lot of the

1285
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:18,320
evolutionists, they're like,
Nah, there's no, you know, Eve

1286
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:22,480
was Adam was just this pre
mortal mythology, the spirit if

1287
01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:26,200
anything, and the Eden is just a
symbol of pre mortality coming

1288
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:27,920
into mortality.
No, it's not.

1289
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:34,200
It was there was a dude named
Adam and a woman named Eve, and

1290
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:39,920
they had bodies of flesh and
bone and, you know, they were on

1291
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:43,960
this planet, this, you know,
physical planet.

1292
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:47,000
And that's what we're saying
here is that all this is real.

1293
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:50,560
You know, we can't just be this
Protestant church that says the

1294
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:54,000
Bible is this mythological
symbolic thing.

1295
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:57,520
Like we got some real stuff
happening in the Restoration.

1296
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:04,400
OK, let's go on from that.
OK OK, there's that verse.

1297
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:06,160
OK.
This is a really good book if

1298
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:09,000
you want to get into this By
Clark A Peterson using the Book

1299
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:13,040
of Mormon to combat the
falsehoods of of inorganic

1300
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:18,360
evolution.
And I think, yeah, President

1301
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:20,760
Benson definitely talked about
how we need to use the Book of

1302
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,080
Mormon to refute the false
theories of our time.

1303
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:26,320
And you can do that with the
Book of Mormon and evolution

1304
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:29,640
repeatedly.
OK, There's dozens of ways you

1305
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:32,240
can do that with the Book of
Mormon, unless you have this

1306
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:36,840
extremely surface level belief
in the scriptures to where only

1307
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:39,080
thing you really get out of your
scriptures is Jesus is my

1308
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:40,880
savior.
That's it.

1309
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:44,840
Anything else goes right?
Like I got 2 foundations in

1310
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:47,480
life.
Jesus is my savior and evolution

1311
01:23:47,480 --> 01:23:51,320
is how I got here, right?
Those are like two big hitters

1312
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:55,440
of your worldview.
You know, that's not how the

1313
01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:58,760
restoration is.
The restoration goes way deeper

1314
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:02,520
than that.
And but it seems like those are

1315
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:05,040
the two pillars that everybody's
clinging to right now and

1316
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:08,440
everybody's having a faith
crisis because those two pillars

1317
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:13,560
are battling each other.
OK, So somebody asked Harold B

1318
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:19,440
Lee about pre Adamic people.
He he quoted Moses 37 that God

1319
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,200
created man from the dust of the
ground, breathed into his

1320
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:26,600
nostrils the breath of life and
man became a living soul, the

1321
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:28,760
first flesh on the earth, the
1st man also.

1322
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:32,280
OK.
And let me just say people are,

1323
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:35,800
oh, God made Adam from the dust.
That means Adam evolved from the

1324
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:39,200
dust.
OK, that's a huge jump in logic.

1325
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:43,280
OK, not not only that, but you
have multiple prophetic

1326
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:46,800
teachings about how this was
this is this is one location

1327
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:50,560
where Revelation has told us
that was a symbolic thing to.

1328
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:54,640
Describe the written Let me push
back here a little bit, because

1329
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:57,800
here, here I think this is going
to be an important dichotomy.

1330
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:01,960
We just read Brigham Young that
said Adam was brought here from

1331
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:06,000
another world, right?
What does Harold B Lee say?

1332
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:09,320
Well.
This is part of the problem.

1333
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:12,960
Do you do you see what I'm
saying here is that that we're

1334
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:16,000
getting conflicting reports, so
to speak, right?

1335
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:19,080
And this leaves people in a
position to where they have to

1336
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:24,760
grasp, they have to grasp at, at
they feel like they have to

1337
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:29,520
grasp at other alternatives
because this conflicts, right?

1338
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:36,360
And Brigham Young talks about
some, some, not all, but part of

1339
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:39,520
the creation account in the Old
Testament as being an allegory

1340
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:42,200
that was in the temple for a
long time.

1341
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:47,640
And so some of this I, I think
I, I really do believe

1342
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:50,880
Mormonisms hold the answer to
all of these things, but we have

1343
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:53,320
to be willing to go back far
enough to find it, Nate.

1344
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:56,200
OK.
Does that make sense?

1345
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:57,600
Do you see where I'm coming from
here?

1346
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:02,120
Yeah, I'm I'm willing to, you
know, go with the Adam was

1347
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:08,720
brought here that Brigham said
and in this in this scripture,

1348
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:13,760
in Moses 3 verse seven, OK, it
says because he's quoting this

1349
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:16,640
in his defense of no, there's
not freedomic people.

1350
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:21,760
OK, but after the the next line
it says and man became a living

1351
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:25,640
soul, the first flesh upon the
earth, the 1st man also.

1352
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:30,480
OK, so you say it's the first
man and like, yeah, he was the

1353
01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:32,040
first man.
Everyone before him was a monkey

1354
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:34,120
man.
It's like, no, those those were

1355
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:37,960
by for all intensive purposes,
those were, you know, if they

1356
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:43,360
existed, those were men too.
Like if your, if your dad was,

1357
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,000
you know, if you're a man, your
dad was a man, right?

1358
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,560
And then if you go later in the
book of Moses, I didn't put this

1359
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:56,040
in here, but it talks about how
you and me were born of the

1360
01:26:56,040 --> 01:27:00,720
dust.
So clearly this of the dust

1361
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:05,280
phrase doesn't mean made from an
Adobe.

1362
01:27:05,440 --> 01:27:07,320
It doesn't mean it's from
evolution.

1363
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:12,760
It means the that we're living
in a terrestrial world and our

1364
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:15,880
bodies are terrestrial bodies.
Right.

1365
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:17,680
Right.
We're of this world.

1366
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:19,680
This is the this is the
situation we got.

1367
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:22,520
And I know you're, you know a
lot about that.

1368
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,840
I, I feel like some of this
comes because we've dumbed down

1369
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:29,760
the gospel a little bit, to be
honest with you, right?

1370
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:34,640
We, we, we need to just embrace
this and run with it because I

1371
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:37,600
do think that the actual science
is on our side.

1372
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:40,520
The actual science is on our
side.

1373
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:42,200
We've done things down in the
church.

1374
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:44,120
You no longer have Gospel
doctrine class.

1375
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:45,880
You now have gospel therapy
class.

1376
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:49,880
You no longer allow the.
I haven't heard that, but I, I

1377
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:53,280
also want to be fair, Nate, this
isn't just an LDS problem,

1378
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:56,760
right?
I see this in, in some of of the

1379
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:58,880
fundamentalist circles I run in,
right?

1380
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:02,880
This is a Mormon problem.
This is not an an exclusively

1381
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,560
LDS problem, I want to make that
clear.

1382
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:09,680
But the the the criticism I
level here is at Mormonism at

1383
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:13,200
large, not just one faction of.
It yeah, yeah.

1384
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:17,960
So I mean, if we if we had our
hardcore, you know, awesome

1385
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:21,440
higher revelations, we could say
you answer the pre Adamic

1386
01:28:21,440 --> 01:28:24,560
question by saying ain't no pre
Adamic because Adam showed up

1387
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,760
from another earth.
And that's how we got our people

1388
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:31,240
here, you know, and, and my
thing is the scripture says Adam

1389
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:35,120
was the son of God.
And so either here or there, you

1390
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:39,160
know, Adam's dad is God.
And, and I know there's

1391
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:41,760
different ways of looking at
that, but at the end of the day,

1392
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:45,240
it's humans are divine.
They're from above, not from

1393
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:46,640
below.
Absolutely.

1394
01:28:47,480 --> 01:28:52,560
And so anyway, let's go on past
this.

1395
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:57,840
There's like 50 pages of quotes
where the apostles over the

1396
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:03,040
years have just tried to, to say
you can't do evolution and

1397
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:05,000
Christianity.
They don't work together,

1398
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:07,920
especially not restoration
Christianity.

1399
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:13,040
I heard somebody the other day
was like, well, you know,

1400
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:16,280
there's just OK, in in the Let's
talk science and religion book,

1401
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:20,400
there is a part where they say
there's varying views of church

1402
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:24,800
leaders over time.
OK, They really make a point of

1403
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:28,560
that, that Oh, well, some church
leaders believe in evolution,

1404
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:32,400
OK, But we got to break that
down for a second because that

1405
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:37,240
is very misleading because 99%
of all church teachings have

1406
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:40,040
been against evolution when it's
this topic of creation and

1407
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:43,280
evolution, OK.
And no apostles or presidents

1408
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:46,680
have taught anything suggesting
evolution from a General

1409
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:50,040
Conference pulpit.
There's been two apostles,

1410
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:53,160
Talmage and Woodso, who have
been open to evolution and

1411
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:55,640
taught evolution, but they
didn't ever teach it over the

1412
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:59,800
pulpit.
And how can you say that?

1413
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:02,920
Just those guys?
That represents evolving views

1414
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:07,320
of church leaders over time.
President McKay was a little

1415
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:10,880
soft on it.
And then people like to throw in

1416
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:14,120
Henry Eyring Senior.
OK, I guess you can throw him in

1417
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:15,360
there, too.
He wasn't an apostle or

1418
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:20,080
anything.
But, you know, so anyway, it's

1419
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:23,520
just doesn't accurately
represent church history and

1420
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:26,720
even modern church history to
say evolving views of church

1421
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:29,600
leaders over time.
We've got at least four quotes

1422
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:33,800
of President Russell Nelson that
he's like, guys, evolution,

1423
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:37,080
there's no chance, OK, And I'll
read some of those later.

1424
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:41,480
Mcconkey was a big hitter on
this, says evolution is

1425
01:30:41,480 --> 01:30:45,080
diametrically opposed to our
doctrine.

1426
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:47,960
So that's he's a really fun one
to read on this.

1427
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:51,680
OK, and let's talk about
science, religion, They say,

1428
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:54,520
quote all living things on
earth, both plants and animals

1429
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:56,600
share a common ancestor. close
quote.

1430
01:30:57,640 --> 01:31:00,920
OK, so make no mistakes about
their their claim.

1431
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:02,400
OK, here's here's your favorite
one.

1432
01:31:02,480 --> 01:31:05,960
There, there's my favorite one.
Let me let me just move this out

1433
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:11,520
of the way so people can see
SpongeBob versus the Father.

1434
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:17,480
Who's your daddy?
I'm sorry.

1435
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:20,600
That one's awesome.
You need to put that one on AT

1436
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:21,960
shirt.
That's all I'm going to say.

1437
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:26,800
I know a place where you could
just put it on, you know, and

1438
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:30,160
put that thing up for sale.
I'll back your sale on that.

1439
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:32,760
Let's let's do that.
I like this.

1440
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:37,480
Yep.
So, so did you come from lower

1441
01:31:37,480 --> 01:31:40,240
life forms or from higher life
forms?

1442
01:31:40,440 --> 01:31:48,000
That's the question.
So, OK, we're all, we're all

1443
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:49,960
confused.
This book is confusing us.

1444
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:51,800
Please stop trying to brainwash
us.

1445
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:55,800
Please stop trying to and I say
brainwash with all reverence

1446
01:31:55,800 --> 01:32:00,400
because you're not bringing up
the other side in this book on

1447
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:02,160
science and religion.
You didn't bring up all the

1448
01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:05,800
quotes, all the the teachings of
the prophets on this.

1449
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:11,440
You didn't bring up all the, you
know, you wanted to.

1450
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:14,280
They quote Brigham Young once.
They say, well, Brigham Young

1451
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:16,360
said we should embrace all
knowledge.

1452
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:20,120
It's like, OK, whoop Dee Doo.
Guess what else Brigham Young

1453
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:22,920
said?
He said evolutions of the devil.

1454
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:26,440
So gonna put that in your book,
too while you're at it.

1455
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:30,280
Just quoting Brigham Young.
Like, I call that taking someone

1456
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:33,240
out of context.
You know, it's like if I was

1457
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:39,680
someone who believed in slavery
and I said, you know, I like

1458
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:43,520
spending time with my slaves.
I like spending time with people

1459
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:47,080
In an abolitionist book, you're
gonna hold me up as the most

1460
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:49,920
amazing abolitionist because I I
said I like spending time with

1461
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,000
people.
No, that's not OK.

1462
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:54,960
Now, let me be very clear.
I don't like slavery.

1463
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:56,720
OK?
That's not what I was trying to

1464
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:59,120
say.
But they're clear to take and

1465
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:03,160
bring them out of context.
Michael Rue is professor of

1466
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:07,600
philosophy and zoology,
University of Gulf says

1467
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:12,200
evolution is promulgated as an
ideology, a secular religion, a

1468
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:15,320
full-fledged alternative to
Christianity with meaning and

1469
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:17,840
morality.
Evolution is a religion.

1470
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:20,760
This was true of evolution in
the beginning, and it is true of

1471
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:22,360
evolution still today.
Yep.

1472
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:26,240
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1473
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1474
01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:34,080
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1480
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:56,440
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show notes today.

1481
01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:01,040
Evolution is promulgated as an
ideology, a secular religion, a

1482
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:04,120
full-fledged alternative to
Christianity with meaning and

1483
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:06,640
morality.
Evolution is a religion.

1484
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:09,560
This was true of evolution in
the beginning and it is true of

1485
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:14,240
evolution still today.
The dangerous thing about this

1486
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:18,080
religion is that it's a state
supported religion, OK?

1487
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:23,320
Our tax dollars are funding
evolution like crazy, OK.

1488
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:28,120
And you know, money corrupts and
so people are hanging to it

1489
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:29,400
because that's where all the
money is.

1490
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:33,600
And if your kids are going to
public school, your taxes are

1491
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:36,720
paying for them to your taxes
are paying for evolution, like

1492
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:39,320
it or not, right, because you
pay taxes, but you know, you

1493
01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:40,960
send your kids to school,
they're going to be preached

1494
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:44,520
this religion all day.
It's funny because you know they

1495
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:48,040
say the schools and the and the
state, unless they can't promote

1496
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:49,360
morality.
Hogwash.

1497
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:54,040
It's one of the persons of state
government is is to have promote

1498
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:55,560
decent morality.
You.

1499
01:34:55,640 --> 01:35:00,280
Know so and they're promoting
their morality just anything but

1500
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:04,880
our morality is allowed
absolutely something important

1501
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:07,920
that Benson contributed to this
is that he specifically named

1502
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:12,600
Darwin as an Antichrist OK this
is in his strengthening the

1503
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:18,280
family General Conference 1970
he says OK is Washington on the

1504
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:22,800
tower I warn you blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah OK exposed

1505
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:28,120
deceptions like from men like
Freud Darwin, Dewey, Marx and

1506
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:32,360
Keynes and others OK says today
there are much worse things that

1507
01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:35,440
can happen to a child than not
getting a full college education

1508
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:38,000
in fact some of the worst things
have happened to our children

1509
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:41,200
while attending colleges led by
administrators who wink at

1510
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:46,560
subversion OK so make no mistake
I mean this is the funny part is

1511
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:52,040
are we to thank this Antichrist
Darwin for giving us the

1512
01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:58,640
cornerstone of how God creates.
You know, I think it's worth

1513
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:01,080
pointing out here.
I'd heard I, I probably should

1514
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:04,080
Fact Check this and then if I'm
wrong, take it out.

1515
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:06,800
But I it's my understanding
Darwin didn't believe his own

1516
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:10,600
theory at the time of his death.
I don't know.

1517
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:18,200
And if that's the case, that
there's some issues there that

1518
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:22,040
we need to think about.
Well, I guess you know, deathbed

1519
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:24,640
your parents is a.
It's a thing, yeah.

1520
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:29,800
In some ways, I mean, the person
can change their mind, but he

1521
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:33,600
spent his whole life promoting
it and his personal character

1522
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:36,200
went downhill even worse and
worse and worse.

1523
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:42,240
He couldn't get along with his
wife, who was a Christian and he

1524
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:46,280
he couldn't enjoy nature.
He didn't like music anymore.

1525
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:50,800
He didn't, you know, poetry and
art and music, they disgusted

1526
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:54,000
him and you're seeing beautiful
animals made him want to puke.

1527
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:58,480
Like this guy got really messed
up because I don't know how far

1528
01:36:58,480 --> 01:37:04,040
he took it right, but he took it
far enough to where he he got us

1529
01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:06,200
all messed up and he got himself
all messed up.

1530
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:09,040
I was mistaken, I just fact
checked it.

1531
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:12,520
And Darwin did believe in
evolution at the time of his

1532
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:17,560
death, so.
When you see these trees, oops.

1533
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:19,760
When you see these trees,
they're called phylogenetic tree

1534
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:21,440
of life.
They've got all the modern

1535
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:26,600
species on the outer ring, and
then as you go in, they're

1536
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:30,120
branching together and together
to get to the single common

1537
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:33,280
ancestor.
But you notice that these inner

1538
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:36,880
levels don't have labels, and
that's because we've not

1539
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:40,360
discovered them.
OK, so don't let anybody tell

1540
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:44,400
you that we have the missing
links and and we can identify

1541
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:50,200
all these turns in the tree.
This is a hypothesis of assumed

1542
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:52,400
events, and that's what the
scientists are saying.

1543
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:56,320
And see this, this is nuts
because all those inner branches

1544
01:37:56,880 --> 01:38:01,480
like you have to do some
serious, make some serious

1545
01:38:01,480 --> 01:38:06,640
assumptions that those branches
did what you're showing them to

1546
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:10,840
do, right?
It it's, it's just, it's not

1547
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:14,440
science, it's a theory, right?
And and they they laugh at us

1548
01:38:14,440 --> 01:38:20,240
for believing in our God, that
that created man by divine

1549
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:24,440
origin.
But their theory holds less

1550
01:38:24,440 --> 01:38:28,240
water than that.
Yeah, I mean, what's easier to

1551
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:31,800
believe that nothing created
everything or that an

1552
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:33,520
intelligent person created
everything?

1553
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:38,200
Right.
And you mentioned that.

1554
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:39,920
Why?
Why do we have to make these

1555
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:43,000
mental leaps to say that
everything goes back to this

1556
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:45,440
single ancestor?
And I think it's because they

1557
01:38:45,440 --> 01:38:49,720
have nowhere else to go, right?
They're completely unwilling to

1558
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:51,520
acknowledge that there is a
creator.

1559
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:58,240
Then evolution's all they got.
I mean, so they're going to push

1560
01:38:58,240 --> 01:38:59,600
it all out.
They say, well, clearly it

1561
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:01,800
wasn't God, so it has to be
this.

1562
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:05,880
And another thing is the word
theory, OK, They have they're

1563
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:10,040
going to have a hissy fit
whenever they whenever we say,

1564
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:12,840
oh, it's just a theory because
they say, Oh, well, theories

1565
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:15,400
today they are extremely
important and they're

1566
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:18,800
demonstrated by endless
experiments and stuff.

1567
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:22,360
OK, That is it is hype and they
do bring it up in this let's

1568
01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:26,200
talk book all this defense
because they think somehow

1569
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:28,560
that's going to make evolution
look good if they can defend the

1570
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:31,120
word theory.
OK, at the end of the day, a

1571
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:33,280
theory is meant to explain a
law.

1572
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:37,800
Laws still are higher things in
modern science.

1573
01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:44,280
OK, so the question you have to
ask is what laws are the theory

1574
01:39:44,280 --> 01:39:47,880
of evolution explaining?
And it's not it's it's not

1575
01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:52,880
explaining any observed laws.
And so it is it is appropriate

1576
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:57,120
to criticize evolution to to
remind people that this is

1577
01:39:57,120 --> 01:40:00,080
theoretical and that the the
word theory in that sense is

1578
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:01,160
fitting.
Right.

1579
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:05,720
No, absolutely.
OK, OK, here's this professor.

1580
01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:10,760
Molecular biologist Dalhousie
University says the rooting of

1581
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:12,840
the universal tree is hopelessly
compromised.

1582
01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:20,160
OK, the geologic column is
supposedly this these layers

1583
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:23,600
that we find, right, right.
You've got multiple scientists,

1584
01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:26,760
OK, And here I'm giving you a
drop in the bucket of all the

1585
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:29,160
scientists that are disagreeing
with this, OK.

1586
01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:36,760
He says we they're they're
basically building this on

1587
01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:42,200
correlation and the in this
geology textbook, it says,

1588
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:45,960
quote, without the theory of
evolution and interdisciplinary

1589
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:48,840
science of paleontology, it
could not exist. close quote.

1590
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:53,640
That's a fancy way of saying
evolution theory is what built

1591
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:55,480
the column.
The column didn't build

1592
01:40:55,480 --> 01:40:57,120
evolution theory.
Right.

1593
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:04,160
OK, the Let's Talk book says
humans and animals hint at an

1594
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:07,600
evolutionary past.
OK, again, we already talked

1595
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:09,800
talked about a lot of that.
Let's let's go through some of

1596
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:12,400
that.
Another thing is that that you

1597
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:16,080
will find dinosaur fossils that
do appear with modern animals

1598
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:21,240
too.
And that's they don't show that

1599
01:41:21,240 --> 01:41:23,480
in a museum though, right?
They won't show modern animals

1600
01:41:23,480 --> 01:41:25,080
with dinosaurs because they
don't want you to think they

1601
01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:29,880
coexisted, but they did coexist.
And we even have fossil

1602
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:36,040
footprints with human footprints
in Laden and next to and so

1603
01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:39,440
forth.
OK, when you're naturally

1604
01:41:39,440 --> 01:41:41,840
breeding, we touched on this a
little bit, But when you leave

1605
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:44,960
a, you know, you, let's say you
breed this exotic dog or this

1606
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:48,280
exotic bird, when you leave it
alone in nature, it's going to

1607
01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:52,040
naturally, over generations,
it's going to naturally revert

1608
01:41:52,040 --> 01:41:55,400
back to its natural stock.
Right.

1609
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:58,280
So, so much for turning into
something totally different.

1610
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:00,680
The opposite happens.
Yeah.

1611
01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:06,280
OK, same with dogs, right?
We've never bred a dog into a

1612
01:42:06,280 --> 01:42:11,960
non dog over thousands of years.
The moth experiment was a hoax.

1613
01:42:11,960 --> 01:42:16,240
They glued those dead moths onto
a log, tried to say they were

1614
01:42:16,840 --> 01:42:21,640
evolving based on the client the
the mine.

1615
01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:26,480
KK.
Here's President Nelson.

1616
01:42:26,480 --> 01:42:30,160
He says it's incomprehensible.
OK, He says, to think that man

1617
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:32,040
evolved from one species to
another is to me,

1618
01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:34,280
incomprehensible.
Man has always been man.

1619
01:42:34,280 --> 01:42:36,320
Dogs have always been dogs.
Monks have always been monkeys.

1620
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:37,920
It's just the way genetics
works.

1621
01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:42,920
And then again, Nelson says,
some people erroneously think

1622
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:45,600
that these marvelous physical
attributes happened by chance,

1623
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:47,400
resulted from a Big Bang
somewhere.

1624
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:49,840
Ask yourself, could an
explosion, a printing shop

1625
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:52,800
produce a dictionary?
OK, so Long story short, Nelson

1626
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:56,400
is saying Big Bang evolution
doesn't work, or in other words,

1627
01:42:56,400 --> 01:43:00,920
cosmic evolution and biological
evolution doesn't work.

1628
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:04,360
OK, so, and here's a good
question.

1629
01:43:04,360 --> 01:43:07,720
If this book is sold, a Deseret
book, and President Nelson is

1630
01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:11,200
the president of the church that
owns this bookstore, don't you

1631
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:13,320
think it would have been nice to
throw in some of his quotes,

1632
01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:16,360
right?
On this topic, Right, Right.

1633
01:43:16,640 --> 01:43:19,280
Absolutely.
The most they do is they mention

1634
01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:23,280
how Nelson dedicated the new
life science building at BYU and

1635
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:27,560
how Nelson said this will be a
great place to to, you know,

1636
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:31,440
like do science or something
like like that, you know, very

1637
01:43:31,440 --> 01:43:32,520
basic.
Right.

1638
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:36,320
It's like.
OK, let's just avoid his

1639
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:39,360
comments that are actually.
It's another thing that that's

1640
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:41,720
another way that just like how
they misrepresented Brigham,

1641
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:45,240
they misrepresent President
Nelson by making it look like

1642
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:48,360
Nelson endorses evolution when
he clearly doesn't.

1643
01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:52,120
Right, right.
Nate, let me stop you right

1644
01:43:52,120 --> 01:43:54,520
there real quick.
I got to take a quick break and

1645
01:43:54,520 --> 01:43:56,640
then I'll come right back.
OK, Yeah, good.

1646
01:44:02,090 --> 01:44:08,050
All right, so this is how
scientists say that evolution

1647
01:44:08,050 --> 01:44:09,530
is.
This is, they call it his

1648
01:44:10,010 --> 01:44:14,720
evolutionary biology, they say
is a historical science, meaning

1649
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:17,960
they don't need to do things
like they said, laws and

1650
01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:20,640
experiments are inappropriate,
OK.

1651
01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:25,720
Oh wait, wait, so they're like
literally throwing out the

1652
01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:28,320
scientific method?
We don't need to do experiments.

1653
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:35,920
Yeah, this, he's getting this
prize from the Royal Swedish

1654
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:40,160
Academy of Science, and he's
literally saying we're throwing

1655
01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:44,960
out the the scientific method.
So, so much for them blaming us

1656
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:46,560
for throwing out the scientific
method.

1657
01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:51,160
Right.
And the, the irony is you can

1658
01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:55,720
use laws and experiments in a
laboratory to demonstrate

1659
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:57,080
whether or not evolution
happened.

1660
01:44:57,080 --> 01:45:02,040
For example, we can make oil K
in a lab.

1661
01:45:02,440 --> 01:45:07,200
We can make coal that
identically represent that it's

1662
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:11,840
the same as coal that you'd
mine.

1663
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:15,760
OK, it's more expensive and it
you know, so we don't do that.

1664
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:20,000
It's cheaper to just get the dig
it up, but we can do that.

1665
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:23,280
Now another thing and and guess
what?

1666
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:26,160
Does it take us millions of
years to form those oils?

1667
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:32,400
No, obviously not.
And they talk about these the

1668
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:36,360
articles that that showed these
things.

1669
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:39,120
We need to put two and two
together and say, gosh, if it

1670
01:45:39,120 --> 01:45:43,960
doesn't take millions of years
to explain the geology of the

1671
01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:46,080
Earth and it doesn't take
millions of years to explain the

1672
01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:49,600
biology of the Earth in our in
all likelihood, the millions of

1673
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:51,880
years probably doesn't exist,
right.

1674
01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:56,760
Just like those great pioneer
scientists that took us so far

1675
01:45:57,000 --> 01:46:01,160
by demonstrating and getting rid
of all the, the nonsense, all

1676
01:46:01,160 --> 01:46:06,880
the, you know, witchcraft
science and just getting us the,

1677
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:11,120
you know, and that's another
thing that the Bible doesn't get

1678
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:15,320
the credit either.
Before the Bible was around and

1679
01:46:15,320 --> 01:46:18,640
before, you know, Christianity,
people just thought nature was

1680
01:46:18,640 --> 01:46:21,000
this random thing.
Nobody can predict it.

1681
01:46:21,240 --> 01:46:22,920
You can't measure it and explain
it.

1682
01:46:23,240 --> 01:46:26,720
There's all these different gods
that are controlling the God of

1683
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:30,200
the river, the God of the
clouds, the God of the dirt.

1684
01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:33,160
But then the Christians come
around and we've got this Bible

1685
01:46:33,160 --> 01:46:36,640
that says, guess what?
There's one God that made

1686
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:42,400
everything, and he did it in a
predictable, organized way.

1687
01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:44,800
And so now we can take that and
we can say, OK, I'm going to

1688
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:46,640
prove it.
And so really, when you can

1689
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:50,200
prove laws of nature, you're
proving the Christian God right

1690
01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:51,280
there.
You see that.

1691
01:46:52,120 --> 01:46:55,680
And so Christianity is is what
we have to thank for the

1692
01:46:55,680 --> 01:47:00,400
scientific method and the idea
that such a reliable nature

1693
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:02,720
exists in the first place.
Right.

1694
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:08,040
I, I think this is a good spot
to to just show the irony,

1695
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:13,680
right, Nate, when you go to buy
a new car, what can a brand new

1696
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:16,440
car right, right off the factory
floor?

1697
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:21,400
What is the state of that car?
Really nice.

1698
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:25,920
Perfect, right?
With the exception of somebody

1699
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:28,840
who put it, you know, together
wrong, We'll say everybody did

1700
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:31,720
everything just right.
There's no scratches, there's no

1701
01:47:31,720 --> 01:47:36,400
Dings, there's no dents.
It's functioning at its optimal

1702
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:39,200
level.
And then over time, what happens

1703
01:47:39,200 --> 01:47:44,120
to that car?
It breaks down, gets worse,

1704
01:47:44,280 --> 01:47:47,360
right?
Even the human body, to a

1705
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:50,520
degree, right.
When a child is first born, for

1706
01:47:50,520 --> 01:47:53,360
the most part, right, obvious
exceptions, but for the most

1707
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:58,480
part, the child's got no scars,
you know, no, no bumps.

1708
01:47:58,480 --> 01:48:02,440
But the second that child
breathes oxygen, the clock

1709
01:48:02,440 --> 01:48:04,960
starts, right.
It even starts before that, but

1710
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:09,240
it really starts once that child
takes his first breath and he

1711
01:48:09,240 --> 01:48:12,920
starts to to deteriorate in some
way.

1712
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:17,800
Right now he matures along the
way, but still the body begins

1713
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:21,320
to break down.
And it's that way with

1714
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:25,720
everything, right?
Homes, houses, they start out

1715
01:48:26,120 --> 01:48:29,320
really good brand new
construction and then over time

1716
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:31,840
starts to settle.
The foundation gets cracked.

1717
01:48:32,720 --> 01:48:36,440
Evolution is the only thing that
works in the opposite of that.

1718
01:48:37,640 --> 01:48:40,680
Yeah, right.
Yeah.

1719
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:42,520
It's the second law of
thermodynamics, the law of

1720
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:44,520
entropy.
Things are getting worse, not

1721
01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:51,160
better.
Yeah.

1722
01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:54,680
Another good analogy is if
you're going to start a

1723
01:48:54,680 --> 01:48:59,680
university, you're going to put
a bunch of animals there to make

1724
01:48:59,680 --> 01:49:02,920
it work, or you're going to find
some extremely intelligent

1725
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:05,560
people and you're going to
estimate it, right?

1726
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:12,080
So OK, a big talking point in
this book was, is this a reptile

1727
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:15,120
becoming a bird?
Like, is this the transition

1728
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:16,520
right here?
Have we captured it in the

1729
01:49:16,520 --> 01:49:19,880
fossil record that reptiles
became birds?

1730
01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:21,480
Because that's what they say,
right?

1731
01:49:21,480 --> 01:49:24,720
In evolution, they, OK, they
call this the Archaeopteryx.

1732
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:29,600
And OK, they say this is.
OK, let's take one more look at

1733
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:31,800
it.
OK, it's got some claws at the

1734
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:34,040
end of its wings.
And you can't see it here, but

1735
01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:36,120
it's got some little teeth in
its mouth.

1736
01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:39,240
OK, so it claws and teeth.
Oh, my goodness, that sounds

1737
01:49:39,240 --> 01:49:41,400
like a reptile.
OK.

1738
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:44,720
Yeah, it's clearly a bird.
Look at those feathers.

1739
01:49:45,320 --> 01:49:51,680
OK, so let's not forget that the
ostrich has claws on its wings.

1740
01:49:51,680 --> 01:49:55,000
There are many birds that have
claws at the end of its wings

1741
01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:57,480
and there are even birds that
have teeth.

1742
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:03,680
OK and this in this introduction
to evolution textbook, this guy

1743
01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:08,360
admits he says the extinct
ancient birds had teeth and

1744
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:10,760
every other category of
vertebrates contains some

1745
01:50:10,760 --> 01:50:13,720
organisms with teeth and some
without amphibians, reptiles,

1746
01:50:13,720 --> 01:50:15,120
extinct birds, mammals,
etcetera.

1747
01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:19,880
So we can't use the fact that
this Archaeopteryx fossil

1748
01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:22,720
perhaps had teeth to say that
it's a transition between the

1749
01:50:22,720 --> 01:50:25,840
one to the other, because each
different class does have its

1750
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:30,400
own right.
It can have those.

1751
01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:37,880
OK, we've got these other birds
with claws, OK, just for time's

1752
01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:40,360
sake.
We also don't have scales

1753
01:50:40,360 --> 01:50:42,840
becoming feathers.
There's no transitional scale

1754
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:44,920
becoming a feather.
They don't have a clue how we

1755
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:48,160
got feathers.
And at the end of the day, God

1756
01:50:48,160 --> 01:50:50,640
is creative.
He can make some weird birds.

1757
01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:53,280
OK?
Another example is the platypus.

1758
01:50:53,560 --> 01:51:00,960
OK, just weird, right?
Poisonous spur lays eggs but has

1759
01:51:00,960 --> 01:51:05,240
a part pouch, a Beaver tail, a
duck bill, webbed feet.

1760
01:51:05,240 --> 01:51:06,560
I mean it's.
Yeah.

1761
01:51:07,480 --> 01:51:10,120
Robin Williams had a great bit
about this where he said it's

1762
01:51:10,120 --> 01:51:12,840
like God just kind of threw
together all the leftover parts

1763
01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:15,480
and pieces and that was the
platypus.

1764
01:51:16,360 --> 01:51:20,400
Yeah.
So God's creative, you know, he

1765
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:24,720
can, he can do this if he wants.
And you know, I bet there's

1766
01:51:24,720 --> 01:51:27,200
other worlds that have other
animals we're totally not

1767
01:51:27,200 --> 01:51:30,280
familiar with.
And actually the Scripture even

1768
01:51:30,280 --> 01:51:32,640
says there's different kinds of
animals that we are not familiar

1769
01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:37,360
with in heaven too.
The diversity is the important

1770
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:45,280
part.
So we have our little categories

1771
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:47,840
of oh, this is a reptile.
This is a mammal, you know, and

1772
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:51,840
we think we figured it all out,
but God throws us a curveball

1773
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:56,360
over here and there.
So Long story short, is this

1774
01:51:56,640 --> 01:51:59,360
this supposed thing they point
to in their book?

1775
01:51:59,440 --> 01:52:02,840
It doesn't work.
We also don't have bird

1776
01:52:02,840 --> 01:52:05,720
evolution fossils showing the
bird evolving.

1777
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:11,880
OK, this Biology of Birds
textbook says the origin of

1778
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:14,160
birds is largely a matter of
deduction.

1779
01:52:14,160 --> 01:52:17,560
There is no fossil evidence of
the stages through which the

1780
01:52:17,560 --> 01:52:20,800
remarkable change from reptile
to bird was achieved.

1781
01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:26,040
It's the only it's, it's one of
the only times where they'll

1782
01:52:26,040 --> 01:52:30,120
take the lack of evidence and
then form a hypothesis around

1783
01:52:30,120 --> 01:52:32,480
that.
That is very well put.

1784
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:35,920
Lack of evidence formed a
hypothesis around that.

1785
01:52:37,480 --> 01:52:43,800
This other in the Science News
admits that it is obvious that

1786
01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:46,200
we must now look for the
ancestors of the flying birds in

1787
01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:49,600
a period of time much older than
what archaeotrips lived.

1788
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:52,480
And this is another great point
is they're always giving

1789
01:52:52,480 --> 01:52:54,760
themselves more time.
You notice that?

1790
01:52:55,240 --> 01:52:57,600
Yep.
They're always saying, you know,

1791
01:52:57,880 --> 01:52:59,240
oh, the Earth is a million years
old.

1792
01:52:59,320 --> 01:53:02,680
Oh, actually, it's 10 million.
Oh, actually it's a billion.

1793
01:53:02,680 --> 01:53:04,360
Oh, wait, you know, it just
keeps getting older.

1794
01:53:05,920 --> 01:53:12,880
They also have found that they
have bird fossils below where

1795
01:53:12,880 --> 01:53:18,280
they found Archaeopteryx, which
is another smoking gun that this

1796
01:53:18,280 --> 01:53:20,920
isn't something that happened
before birds even came on the

1797
01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:25,920
scene.
And yet it's this flagship of

1798
01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:28,440
evolution teaching
Archaeopteryx, Archaeopteryx,

1799
01:53:28,440 --> 01:53:32,520
you know, OK, another thing,
they say that there's similar

1800
01:53:32,520 --> 01:53:35,160
structures.
OK, they say the similarities in

1801
01:53:35,720 --> 01:53:38,240
this is let's talk book, the
similarities and body structure

1802
01:53:38,240 --> 01:53:40,440
of humans and animals hit in an
evolutionary past.

1803
01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:43,320
So you look at these things, OK,
you got the dog leg, the horse

1804
01:53:43,320 --> 01:53:46,880
leg, the man's arm, the bat's
arm, the penguin's arm.

1805
01:53:47,120 --> 01:53:51,400
OK.
And gosh, you know, they look

1806
01:53:51,400 --> 01:53:56,400
pretty different to me, right?
I mean, really, even if there's

1807
01:53:56,400 --> 01:53:59,320
some similarities, they're
really different.

1808
01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:02,240
Yep.
If if you were to show me, you

1809
01:54:02,240 --> 01:54:07,800
know, here's my arm and here's
my cat's arm, like, gosh, I just

1810
01:54:07,800 --> 01:54:09,480
know those had a common
ancestor.

1811
01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:14,240
It it's just right.
The thing is the common creator,

1812
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:18,480
yeah, the creator can use a few
different a few similar

1813
01:54:18,480 --> 01:54:21,360
patterns, right.
The point is not that there's a

1814
01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:23,360
few similarities.
The point is that there are

1815
01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:25,520
dramatic differences.
OK.

1816
01:54:26,480 --> 01:54:29,160
If you just want to go off of
similarities will mean that

1817
01:54:29,160 --> 01:54:32,600
vacuum cleaner over there we
have a common ancestor because

1818
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:37,560
it has a 20 foot cord and I have
an intestine that also looks

1819
01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:42,680
like a cord.
I see where you're where you're

1820
01:54:42,680 --> 01:54:43,400
going here.
Yeah.

1821
01:54:43,400 --> 01:54:44,920
No, that's a good point.
Yeah.

1822
01:54:45,680 --> 01:54:49,560
So if we want to play that
similarities game, any trace of

1823
01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:51,400
a similarity means we have a
common ancestor.

1824
01:54:51,680 --> 01:54:58,040
Then you know me and my cell
phone have a common ancestor

1825
01:54:58,360 --> 01:55:01,560
because we both emit.
Heat, Right?

1826
01:55:02,440 --> 01:55:03,960
Yep.
Yep.

1827
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:09,560
All right, OK.
And there's there's more crazy

1828
01:55:09,560 --> 01:55:12,960
examples of that that scientists
have actually, you know,

1829
01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:15,880
concluded that, oh, we must have
been direct offspring from

1830
01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:19,560
octopus because the the eyes of
the octopus, the humor are so

1831
01:55:19,560 --> 01:55:24,320
similar or, you know, there's
just so many weird things.

1832
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:28,880
OK, the dark ages, the rat
disease only affected people and

1833
01:55:28,880 --> 01:55:31,680
Norway rats.
So maybe instead of coming from

1834
01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:33,560
the monkey, maybe we were from
the rat.

1835
01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:36,440
Maybe that's the more close
thing, right?

1836
01:55:36,440 --> 01:55:39,440
Maybe this giant rat thing
turned in, maybe the rat man.

1837
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:41,040
How about this?
How about the Batman?

1838
01:55:41,600 --> 01:55:47,280
OK, maybe it was a Batman.
So I got to say to that.

1839
01:55:47,520 --> 01:55:52,880
Show me the Batman, OK?
Let me see it and then we can

1840
01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:57,920
talk about about that.
So, so they'll go on and on.

1841
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:05,400
OK, you before I forget this,
you mentioned like for the

1842
01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:07,880
platypus, taking all the junk
leftover and boom, there's the

1843
01:56:07,880 --> 01:56:10,720
platypus.
There are actually some some

1844
01:56:10,720 --> 01:56:13,920
things going around on that line
where they'll say we have all

1845
01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:20,360
this junk DNA that proves that
we are like basically this trash

1846
01:56:20,360 --> 01:56:24,280
heap thing that basically became
what it is because we got all

1847
01:56:24,280 --> 01:56:25,760
this DNA in us.
That's junk.

1848
01:56:26,440 --> 01:56:29,840
This whole junk DNA thing, man,
it's going out the window.

1849
01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:33,320
That is no longer good science.
They're finding that.

1850
01:56:33,360 --> 01:56:34,400
Oh, crap.
We.

1851
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:35,640
Well, we thought that wasn't
useful.

1852
01:56:35,640 --> 01:56:36,520
What?
It is the same thing with

1853
01:56:36,520 --> 01:56:38,760
appendages.
Oh, you, well, you don't need

1854
01:56:38,760 --> 01:56:42,120
your appendix or, you know, you
don't need your tailbone or the,

1855
01:56:42,240 --> 01:56:46,600
the whale doesn't need his
pelvis or, you know, all these

1856
01:56:46,600 --> 01:56:48,360
things.
Yeah, you sure do.

1857
01:56:48,360 --> 01:56:51,120
Actually, you know, some of
these snakes that have the

1858
01:56:51,120 --> 01:56:55,480
little tiny claws sticking off
their sides, you know, they need

1859
01:56:55,480 --> 01:56:59,120
those.
Those are for attachment to

1860
01:56:59,400 --> 01:57:01,360
make.
Same with the whale pelvis.

1861
01:57:01,360 --> 01:57:03,080
That's important for
reproduction, OK.

1862
01:57:03,960 --> 01:57:08,800
And so all these things that
they thought were not necessary

1863
01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:14,120
are actually quite necessary.
So God didn't mess up on us and

1864
01:57:14,120 --> 01:57:15,760
he didn't even mess up on his
animals.

1865
01:57:18,760 --> 01:57:21,840
Let's go past this, OK.
And they're they're also

1866
01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:25,280
claiming that when whenever they
find something that's not

1867
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:29,120
homologous, they call it de Novo
out of nothing genetics.

1868
01:57:29,800 --> 01:57:32,680
OK, this should ring a bell in
the restoration because Joseph

1869
01:57:32,680 --> 01:57:36,600
Smith said create creation was
not What's the word I'm looking.

1870
01:57:36,840 --> 01:57:41,680
For.
Yeah, ex nilo, ex nihilo, that

1871
01:57:41,880 --> 01:57:43,280
God didn't make things out of
nothing.

1872
01:57:43,560 --> 01:57:48,040
And here, when the DNA
evolutionists are stumped and

1873
01:57:48,040 --> 01:57:49,760
they say, where did this evolve
from?

1874
01:57:50,560 --> 01:57:52,920
Nobody else has this.
Where'd it come from?

1875
01:57:53,680 --> 01:57:56,400
They say, well, let's just make
a new term.

1876
01:57:56,640 --> 01:58:00,480
It's de Novo evolution, OK?
That's The thing is whenever the

1877
01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:03,920
evolution just gets stumped,
they make up a new term and all

1878
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:06,000
of a sudden all the problems are
solved.

1879
01:58:06,080 --> 01:58:09,560
Nothing to see here, folks.
Well, and de Novo means out of

1880
01:58:09,560 --> 01:58:11,520
nothing, right?
Is that what you're you're

1881
01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:15,960
saying there?
OK, Mormons don't even believe

1882
01:58:15,960 --> 01:58:18,160
in ex nilo, right?
We believe in matter and

1883
01:58:18,160 --> 01:58:20,000
organized.
That becomes organized.

1884
01:58:20,240 --> 01:58:27,720
OK, what's a bigger stretch?
That somehow this DNA just pops

1885
01:58:27,720 --> 01:58:31,760
up out of nowhere that it just
all of a sudden is.

1886
01:58:32,240 --> 01:58:36,640
Or that there was a divine
creator who put everything

1887
01:58:36,640 --> 01:58:39,080
together.
Yep.

1888
01:58:40,960 --> 01:58:45,000
OK, they do play the evolution
card pretty hard, they say,

1889
01:58:45,360 --> 01:58:48,200
because all life on Earth,
including humans, read DNA the

1890
01:58:48,200 --> 01:58:51,040
same way.
This is strong evidence that we

1891
01:58:51,040 --> 01:58:55,000
all shared a common beginning.
OK, here's another giant leap in

1892
01:58:55,000 --> 01:58:57,440
logic.
Because we read DNA the same

1893
01:58:57,440 --> 01:59:04,120
way, we have the same beginning.
That doesn't make sense.

1894
01:59:04,200 --> 01:59:06,240
Again, it's same same
programmer.

1895
01:59:06,680 --> 01:59:09,320
OK, Yep, writing with the same
code.

1896
01:59:10,360 --> 01:59:15,920
Yeah, absolutely.
OK, again, DNA doesn't isn't

1897
01:59:15,920 --> 01:59:20,960
great for evolution, OK, There's
dramatic differences that are

1898
01:59:20,960 --> 01:59:23,120
unaccountable you can't account
for.

1899
01:59:24,560 --> 01:59:28,080
And when you talk about the math
statistics, they're always kind

1900
01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:31,560
of, you know, like, like when
Joe Biden's saying something to

1901
01:59:31,720 --> 01:59:33,280
Mr. President, you can't say
that, Sir.

1902
01:59:33,280 --> 01:59:36,120
You know, he gets that little
talk bug in the mic, right?

1903
01:59:36,120 --> 01:59:37,680
He's like, Mr. President, you
can't say that.

1904
01:59:38,200 --> 01:59:42,760
So in evolution, it's the the
mathematicians, the

1905
01:59:42,760 --> 01:59:47,200
statisticians like, no, you
can't claim that biologist.

1906
01:59:47,200 --> 01:59:51,800
No, you can't.
Because these things that they

1907
01:59:51,800 --> 01:59:56,080
say can happen even for one gene
to evolve, it's going to take

1908
01:59:56,320 --> 01:59:58,240
way longer than 14 billion
years.

1909
01:59:58,560 --> 02:00:01,400
It's going to take an untold
amount of time that is simply

1910
02:00:01,400 --> 02:00:06,160
not available by anyone's
reasoning and.

1911
02:00:06,920 --> 02:00:09,200
You know, they keep making it
longer because they have to, but

1912
02:00:09,200 --> 02:00:11,800
the longer they make it, the
more we're like, man, Are you

1913
02:00:11,800 --> 02:00:13,760
sure?
Are you sure you can do that?

1914
02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:18,600
OK, There's obvious limits.
OK.

1915
02:00:20,680 --> 02:00:22,800
OK.
Mitochondrial Eve.

1916
02:00:23,160 --> 02:00:28,200
OK.
In this journal tree, if

1917
02:00:28,200 --> 02:00:31,920
molecular evolution were really
neutral at these sites, a high

1918
02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:35,200
mutation rate would indicate
that Eve lived about 6500 years

1919
02:00:35,200 --> 02:00:37,960
ago, a figure clearly
incompatible with current

1920
02:00:37,960 --> 02:00:42,240
theories on human origins.
So if you want, if you want just

1921
02:00:42,760 --> 02:00:47,760
a common ancestor of all the
humans, you only need about 6000

1922
02:00:47,760 --> 02:00:52,960
years.
OK, OK.

1923
02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:54,960
They say yeah, we talked about
this.

1924
02:00:54,960 --> 02:00:56,840
Let's talk.
They claim that animals and

1925
02:00:56,840 --> 02:00:58,840
people have evolutionary
leftovers.

1926
02:00:58,960 --> 02:01:02,040
We already talked about that.
You actually need that stuff.

1927
02:01:04,120 --> 02:01:09,680
There was a time evolutionists
listed 180 structures in the

1928
02:01:09,680 --> 02:01:12,720
human body that were vestigial
or in other words, unnecessary.

1929
02:01:13,680 --> 02:01:20,360
That's been proven wrong.
OK, this one's my favorite part.

1930
02:01:20,720 --> 02:01:23,240
They say human embryos have
gills and tails.

1931
02:01:23,840 --> 02:01:27,280
OK, they're claiming in this
book, Deseret book, to get all

1932
02:01:27,280 --> 02:01:32,160
the Saints to re dramatically
rearrange their religion because

1933
02:01:33,440 --> 02:01:36,800
human embryos have gills and
tails and somehow that proves

1934
02:01:37,280 --> 02:01:42,400
that we evolved and so evolution
is the fact of the matter.

1935
02:01:42,400 --> 02:01:46,520
OK, but we're going to show that
humans embryos do in fact not

1936
02:01:46,520 --> 02:01:48,240
have gills and they do not have
tails.

1937
02:01:52,640 --> 02:01:55,240
This isn't even good science
anymore.

1938
02:01:55,240 --> 02:01:58,560
You won't find mainstream
scientists like promoting the

1939
02:01:58,560 --> 02:02:03,440
gills and tails story anymore.
This is just some kind of weird

1940
02:02:03,440 --> 02:02:06,880
thing that the authors, I guess,
forgot was outdated science and

1941
02:02:06,880 --> 02:02:09,320
they put it in their book.
So OK, let's look at these

1942
02:02:09,320 --> 02:02:11,960
gills.
OK, Are these little gills?

1943
02:02:12,840 --> 02:02:14,240
In other words, what does a Gill
do?

1944
02:02:17,120 --> 02:02:20,280
Breathes underwater, right?
It's how you breathe in, in

1945
02:02:20,280 --> 02:02:23,000
fluid.
And so is this how humans

1946
02:02:23,000 --> 02:02:25,200
breathe, these little pouches
right here?

1947
02:02:25,640 --> 02:02:29,120
OK, answer is no.
There's no oxygen going in and

1948
02:02:29,120 --> 02:02:32,560
out of lungs.
There's no there's no breathing

1949
02:02:32,560 --> 02:02:34,480
going on.
In other words, this is not a

1950
02:02:34,480 --> 02:02:38,320
fish.
It does not need oxygen to be

1951
02:02:38,320 --> 02:02:42,480
pulled out of the surrounding
environment through gill slits,

1952
02:02:42,480 --> 02:02:44,400
OK?
There are no slits for anything

1953
02:02:44,400 --> 02:02:46,520
to come in and out of these.
Are there no openings?

1954
02:02:46,880 --> 02:02:50,400
OK.
These are throat pouches, OK?

1955
02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:53,320
These turn into glands.
OK.

1956
02:02:53,680 --> 02:02:58,360
OK.
So OK, let's look at the tail.

1957
02:02:58,720 --> 02:03:01,560
OK, so, so like I said, these
turn into the thymus gland, the

1958
02:03:01,560 --> 02:03:03,400
parathyroids, the middle ear
canals.

1959
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:06,160
OK, the tail.
What are tails for?

1960
02:03:06,680 --> 02:03:08,760
Let's talk about fish.
What does a fish tail for?

1961
02:03:09,320 --> 02:03:11,840
For propelling itself through
the water.

1962
02:03:12,440 --> 02:03:17,040
Right.
And is this embryo here

1963
02:03:17,160 --> 02:03:19,760
propelling itself through the
water through this tail?

1964
02:03:20,480 --> 02:03:22,880
OK, so it's not a tail.
All right.

1965
02:03:23,480 --> 02:03:25,080
OK.
This is what turns into the

1966
02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:27,720
coccyx, which is for muscle
attachment.

1967
02:03:27,840 --> 02:03:30,760
OK, again, they call it the
tailbone, right?

1968
02:03:31,360 --> 02:03:35,400
The humans used to have tails.
OK, No, humans didn't used to

1969
02:03:35,400 --> 02:03:38,440
have tails.
This is just for muscle

1970
02:03:38,440 --> 02:03:42,360
attachment.
OK, so OK.

1971
02:03:42,640 --> 02:03:50,600
And yeah, Darwin's Guy Heckle,
he changed when he was doing his

1972
02:03:50,600 --> 02:03:54,200
famous, his famous embryo hoax
drawings.

1973
02:03:54,200 --> 02:03:56,720
He changed the sizes of heads
and eyes and trunks.

1974
02:03:57,840 --> 02:04:00,160
He did the same embellishments
with his ape drawings.

1975
02:04:00,600 --> 02:04:05,480
He showed the apes as standing
upright and things like that.

1976
02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:07,640
And he got in a lot of trouble
for that.

1977
02:04:07,640 --> 02:04:12,360
But his stuff lives on.
OK, One that we do of course

1978
02:04:12,360 --> 02:04:14,760
need to address is the
radiometric dating, right?

1979
02:04:15,920 --> 02:04:19,160
They call this absolute dating
because they, you know, because

1980
02:04:19,160 --> 02:04:22,640
of the, they say there's
relative dating, which is what's

1981
02:04:22,640 --> 02:04:24,600
stacked on top of what?
And then there's absolute

1982
02:04:24,600 --> 02:04:30,800
dating, which is this laboratory
test of how, how old things are,

1983
02:04:30,800 --> 02:04:32,440
right?
Burning the carbons and seeing

1984
02:04:32,440 --> 02:04:35,040
how much radioactive half life
has has occurred.

1985
02:04:35,640 --> 02:04:39,120
OK, so they're saying, Yep, this
is how we know the Earth is 4

1986
02:04:39,120 --> 02:04:42,160
1/2 billion years old.
Yep, this is how we know 3.4

1987
02:04:42,160 --> 02:04:43,480
billion years ago life showed
up.

1988
02:04:43,840 --> 02:04:45,720
I noticed they're doing it again
here with giving themselves more

1989
02:04:45,720 --> 02:04:47,520
time.
Life living things began to

1990
02:04:47,520 --> 02:04:52,680
appear at least by 1.9 billion,
possibly even before 3.6

1991
02:04:52,680 --> 02:04:53,920
billion.
It's like, OK, thank you for

1992
02:04:53,920 --> 02:04:57,240
those precise figures.
I'm so glad that I read your

1993
02:04:57,240 --> 02:05:00,960
book and now I know exactly how
many billions, how many 10s of

1994
02:05:00,960 --> 02:05:04,480
billions of years old life
started showing up.

1995
02:05:04,480 --> 02:05:08,200
It's like, that's a pretty big
margin of error, man. 1.9

1996
02:05:08,200 --> 02:05:13,560
billion to 3.6 billion like I'll
get my you know, it's it's

1997
02:05:13,560 --> 02:05:19,160
ridiculous.
So anyway, OK, obviously this is

1998
02:05:19,160 --> 02:05:21,520
another thing where the theory
came before the science.

1999
02:05:22,360 --> 02:05:29,440
OK Darwin says for my theory to
work, you need an is

2000
02:05:29,440 --> 02:05:32,040
unavoidable.
OK, I'll just read I guess and

2001
02:05:32,040 --> 02:05:34,120
have a hard time.
The belief that species are

2002
02:05:34,440 --> 02:05:37,280
immutable, unchangeable
productions was almost

2003
02:05:37,280 --> 02:05:39,320
unavoidable as long as the
history of the world was thought

2004
02:05:39,320 --> 02:05:41,040
to be a short duration. close
quote.

2005
02:05:41,040 --> 02:05:42,680
That's from origin of species.
OK.

2006
02:05:43,200 --> 02:05:47,840
In other words, it's obvious
that species aren't going to

2007
02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:51,400
change, especially when you
understand that the earth is not

2008
02:05:51,880 --> 02:05:54,760
old.
When they throw in their old

2009
02:05:54,760 --> 02:05:57,400
earth, that's when they get
there.

2010
02:05:59,040 --> 02:06:02,440
Well, I guess it could have
happened if I waited around long

2011
02:06:02,440 --> 02:06:05,680
enough.
Sure, I guess eventually maybe.

2012
02:06:05,760 --> 02:06:07,520
And they're like, ah, see, I got
you, I got you.

2013
02:06:07,520 --> 02:06:11,840
You admitted that maybe.
And this is another thing where

2014
02:06:12,080 --> 02:06:16,760
if we can demonstrate, you know,
ages of rocks and this and that

2015
02:06:16,760 --> 02:06:20,320
without radiometric dating and
we can show that radiometric

2016
02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:22,160
dating is broken.
This is another thing that we're

2017
02:06:22,160 --> 02:06:24,360
holding onto, frankly, that
don't, we don't need to haul

2018
02:06:24,360 --> 02:06:30,520
into the old earth.
And so in my, my opinion is that

2019
02:06:30,520 --> 02:06:33,720
we have enough science to
demonstrate that the earth is

2020
02:06:34,040 --> 02:06:37,280
just what the Doctor covenant
said as a 7000 temporal year

2021
02:06:37,280 --> 02:06:39,840
lifespan.
And the creation is just what it

2022
02:06:39,840 --> 02:06:41,280
said it was a seven day
creation.

2023
02:06:41,800 --> 02:06:44,880
OK, Now, I, my opinion is that
those seven days were God's

2024
02:06:44,880 --> 02:06:48,080
days, which is 7000 years.
But either way, that's a heck of

2025
02:06:48,080 --> 02:06:53,800
a lot shorter than the, you
know, 14 billion, four billion,

2026
02:06:53,880 --> 02:06:55,880
you know?
Sure.

2027
02:06:55,880 --> 02:06:57,120
I see where you're coming from
on that.

2028
02:06:57,160 --> 02:06:59,120
Absolutely.
So, so I'm just saying from a

2029
02:06:59,120 --> 02:07:01,480
scientific perspective and a
scriptural perspective, if we

2030
02:07:01,480 --> 02:07:04,000
don't, let's just talk to
science.

2031
02:07:04,200 --> 02:07:07,480
If you don't, same thing we
talked about earlier.

2032
02:07:07,480 --> 02:07:10,640
If you don't need it to explain
nature, it probably doesn't

2033
02:07:10,640 --> 02:07:13,240
exist.
And we have to realize that this

2034
02:07:13,240 --> 02:07:17,680
old Earth stuff, it all is from
the evolution camp, OK?

2035
02:07:17,960 --> 02:07:19,680
And again, guys, this is a bad
tree.

2036
02:07:19,680 --> 02:07:23,640
This is not good.
OK, So a few basic issues with

2037
02:07:23,640 --> 02:07:25,960
radiometric dating.
It's built on unprovable

2038
02:07:25,960 --> 02:07:28,680
assumptions, like how much
carbon was initially present?

2039
02:07:28,960 --> 02:07:33,560
Did argon and other measurable
elements leak in or out through

2040
02:07:33,560 --> 02:07:35,920
time?
Is the decay rate constant,

2041
02:07:35,920 --> 02:07:37,840
which we've showed on certain
scenarios?

2042
02:07:37,840 --> 02:07:40,120
It is not.
Has the atmosphere always been

2043
02:07:40,120 --> 02:07:43,160
the same?
Based on samples of oxygen from

2044
02:07:43,160 --> 02:07:46,120
amber, there was a higher
concentration of oxygen, like

2045
02:07:46,120 --> 02:07:51,360
25% higher in the distant past.
Things like this, OK, have

2046
02:07:51,360 --> 02:07:53,680
catastrophic events to influence
timetables.

2047
02:07:54,320 --> 02:07:57,000
If geologists won't admit that
there was a worldwide flood,

2048
02:07:57,160 --> 02:07:58,520
they're never going to get it
right.

2049
02:07:58,960 --> 02:08:00,960
They're never going to get it
right, OK.

2050
02:08:02,760 --> 02:08:05,800
So they're not, they're not
taking any of these things.

2051
02:08:05,960 --> 02:08:09,680
And these are a lot of
assumptions, OK?

2052
02:08:10,000 --> 02:08:14,400
This is a this is a House of
Cards, and you can't do it.

2053
02:08:14,760 --> 02:08:17,120
We can't tell what the weather
will be like one week from now.

2054
02:08:17,680 --> 02:08:22,200
And we're assuming all these
things based on a a consistent

2055
02:08:22,920 --> 02:08:26,000
environment 1 billion years ago.
And I did bring up earlier that

2056
02:08:26,000 --> 02:08:29,760
yes, nature is there are laws of
nature and God made a

2057
02:08:29,760 --> 02:08:33,480
predictable universe.
But uniformitarian theory of

2058
02:08:33,480 --> 02:08:37,920
James Hutton from 200 years ago
where he said the processes of

2059
02:08:37,920 --> 02:08:40,720
today reveal the past, that's
not the same thing.

2060
02:08:40,760 --> 02:08:44,240
What he's saying is there is no
allowance for catastrophic

2061
02:08:44,560 --> 02:08:46,880
catastrophes.
There's no allowance for the

2062
02:08:46,880 --> 02:08:49,680
flood of Noah.
There's no allowance for

2063
02:08:50,160 --> 02:08:52,480
intelligent life forms putting
life here, he says.

2064
02:08:52,880 --> 02:08:54,480
Only what you see is what you
get.

2065
02:08:55,280 --> 02:08:57,840
In other words, absolutely no
supernatural allowed.

2066
02:09:00,240 --> 02:09:04,960
So it's different, OK?
It's very different what they

2067
02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:10,400
were doing, the uniformitarian
theory, OK, because the reality

2068
02:09:10,400 --> 02:09:18,600
is, is is much different, OK,
Another really easy way to tell

2069
02:09:18,600 --> 02:09:21,280
that these radiocarbon datings
are not good.

2070
02:09:21,280 --> 02:09:24,160
It's because you can take things
that you know the age and you

2071
02:09:24,160 --> 02:09:28,040
test them and then, oh, it's a
bad, OK, let's mouse, let's say

2072
02:09:28,040 --> 02:09:33,200
one year old tops, they
radiocarbon dated from -260 to

2073
02:09:33,200 --> 02:09:40,280
+2000 years old.
And then you can take a piece of

2074
02:09:40,480 --> 02:09:44,240
rock and you can send it in and
say, how old is this rock?

2075
02:09:44,240 --> 02:09:47,880
And they'll say, oh, that rock,
Sir, is 3 billion years old is

2076
02:09:47,880 --> 02:09:50,560
OK, thank you very much.
And then you take the same rock

2077
02:09:50,560 --> 02:09:53,080
and you mail it back to them.
And Sir, how old is this rock?

2078
02:09:53,080 --> 02:09:55,760
Like, oh, well, that rock is
2,000,000 years old, Sir, thank

2079
02:09:55,760 --> 02:09:57,400
you very much.
And then you just break that

2080
02:09:57,400 --> 02:10:01,320
rock in half.
You send them sample A and and

2081
02:10:01,320 --> 02:10:02,840
then, you know, they'll tell you
different.

2082
02:10:03,160 --> 02:10:05,120
And then you send them sample B
and they'll tell you something

2083
02:10:05,120 --> 02:10:07,280
different.
So another one is the lava

2084
02:10:07,280 --> 02:10:13,280
flows.
When you melt rock, that's when

2085
02:10:13,280 --> 02:10:19,320
you reset the very metric clock.
That's when you should be able

2086
02:10:19,400 --> 02:10:21,160
to say, OK, here's some fresh
rock, right?

2087
02:10:21,160 --> 02:10:24,640
Zero years old.
And and yet we can say this lava

2088
02:10:24,640 --> 02:10:27,000
flow.
OK, I saw that volcano blow up

2089
02:10:27,560 --> 02:10:30,360
and I saw this lava flow five
years ago.

2090
02:10:30,360 --> 02:10:34,360
And let's take a sample.
That rock was formed because

2091
02:10:34,360 --> 02:10:35,560
they say, how is the earth
formed?

2092
02:10:35,560 --> 02:10:37,960
Right from a big ball melted
rock, right?

2093
02:10:39,480 --> 02:10:43,480
So if we say, OK, well, that
melt was, I know it was five

2094
02:10:43,480 --> 02:10:46,440
years ago because I saw it.
And then they test it and they

2095
02:10:46,440 --> 02:10:52,600
say, oh, well, that's 39.673
million years, that that's how

2096
02:10:52,600 --> 02:10:56,160
old that rock is.
OK, we know better.

2097
02:10:56,440 --> 02:10:58,520
So now the same thing is
happening with the planet Earth.

2098
02:10:59,120 --> 02:11:01,160
If OK.
And I don't think the Earth did

2099
02:11:01,160 --> 02:11:03,800
start out as a melted rock
because Genesis makes it sound

2100
02:11:03,800 --> 02:11:08,160
like it was more of a water
situation, more like making a

2101
02:11:08,160 --> 02:11:13,800
soup than making a bomb.
But let's just assume that if

2102
02:11:13,800 --> 02:11:18,880
the rock was if the earth was
from a big hot ball of, of

2103
02:11:18,880 --> 02:11:22,560
magma, big melt the age when it
dried.

2104
02:11:22,960 --> 02:11:28,360
OK, shouldn't it?
That's when the clock resets, in

2105
02:11:28,360 --> 02:11:31,760
other words, right.
OK, when they want to tell us

2106
02:11:31,760 --> 02:11:34,600
how old the Earth is, they're
basing it on when the earth

2107
02:11:34,600 --> 02:11:37,160
cooled and solidified.
Yeah.

2108
02:11:37,720 --> 02:11:41,640
So that's what's going on here.
OK, OK, this is going to blow

2109
02:11:41,640 --> 02:11:42,440
your mind.
OK.

2110
02:11:42,520 --> 02:11:47,160
Evolutionists admit that if AC14
date supports our theories, we

2111
02:11:47,160 --> 02:11:49,920
put it in the main text.
If it does not entirely

2112
02:11:49,920 --> 02:11:53,000
contradict them, we put it in a
footnote, and if it is

2113
02:11:53,000 --> 02:11:55,880
completely out of date, we just
drop it.

2114
02:11:58,600 --> 02:12:00,040
Just get rid of the
inconvenient.

2115
02:12:00,840 --> 02:12:06,640
Yeah, it's like evolution is
true, therefore this laboratory

2116
02:12:06,920 --> 02:12:09,760
test we did must be false.
Right.

2117
02:12:10,440 --> 02:12:14,640
They're trading real science for
theoretical science, right?

2118
02:12:15,600 --> 02:12:18,280
Another scientist in the New
York Academy of Science.

2119
02:12:18,720 --> 02:12:22,520
It may come as a shock to some,
but fewer than 50% of the

2120
02:12:22,520 --> 02:12:25,200
radiocarbon dates from
geological and archaeological

2121
02:12:25,200 --> 02:12:28,440
samples in Northeast or North
America have been adopted as

2122
02:12:28,440 --> 02:12:33,720
acceptable by investigators.
They're throwing out over 50%

2123
02:12:33,960 --> 02:12:36,160
because it doesn't match
evolution, right?

2124
02:12:37,160 --> 02:12:38,920
We've got to let go of old
Earth.

2125
02:12:39,480 --> 02:12:44,640
It's it's bogus science for the
intent of destroying the

2126
02:12:44,640 --> 02:12:47,920
biblical view of creation.
That's my, that's what I'm

2127
02:12:47,920 --> 02:12:51,960
saying, OK.
Hang tight here real quick

2128
02:12:51,960 --> 02:12:57,240
because because now I'm going to
ask you to kind of support this

2129
02:12:57,240 --> 02:13:01,080
in light of some things that
that we know of as Mormons,

2130
02:13:01,080 --> 02:13:03,720
right?
One of that being matter and

2131
02:13:03,720 --> 02:13:05,600
organized, that becomes
organized.

2132
02:13:06,680 --> 02:13:10,280
OK.
So if if we're going to say that

2133
02:13:10,320 --> 02:13:13,160
the Earth is only so many years
old, we're saying that those

2134
02:13:13,160 --> 02:13:15,960
materials are only so many years
old, correct?

2135
02:13:19,440 --> 02:13:20,400
I think so.
Go ahead.

2136
02:13:21,040 --> 02:13:26,160
OK, so if that's the case, if
God's organizing a world out of

2137
02:13:26,160 --> 02:13:31,200
existing matter, wouldn't that
matter by necessity be older

2138
02:13:31,200 --> 02:13:35,120
than what we are?
Carbon dating or older than what

2139
02:13:35,120 --> 02:13:37,720
we are saying the earth should
be if you're a young earth

2140
02:13:37,960 --> 02:13:43,080
creationist.
Well, the first question is, can

2141
02:13:43,080 --> 02:13:51,600
you prove it in a lab?
And what I'm arguing is that we

2142
02:13:51,600 --> 02:13:56,960
can't prove it in a lab that
when we've that, that the lab is

2143
02:13:56,960 --> 02:13:59,320
showing something very
different.

2144
02:13:59,880 --> 02:14:04,400
And that when you take like 12
methods of dating based on, you

2145
02:14:04,400 --> 02:14:07,960
know, shore levels, based on
recessions of this and that,

2146
02:14:07,960 --> 02:14:14,200
based on history, based on all
these, the, the wildly, you

2147
02:14:14,480 --> 02:14:17,040
know, you're getting wildly
different answers from different

2148
02:14:17,040 --> 02:14:20,400
things.
But so I don't have I don't have

2149
02:14:20,400 --> 02:14:22,120
the.
Answers I'm not trying to be

2150
02:14:22,120 --> 02:14:26,760
argumentative, I'm just trying
to to to see how the young earth

2151
02:14:26,760 --> 02:14:28,920
model could really work here.
Right.

2152
02:14:29,200 --> 02:14:34,920
Because again, if the materials
God is using to form this world

2153
02:14:35,360 --> 02:14:40,080
are already in existence, they
must be significantly older than

2154
02:14:40,080 --> 02:14:44,280
the formed world, correct?
So my thought being is that if

2155
02:14:44,280 --> 02:14:47,800
those materials God is using to
fashion the earth are

2156
02:14:48,200 --> 02:14:52,200
unorganized matter, right?
Space rocks that are coming

2157
02:14:52,200 --> 02:14:55,080
together to form an Earth,
Shouldn't we expect to see that

2158
02:14:55,080 --> 02:14:59,720
they could have some serious
antiquity because they are older

2159
02:14:59,720 --> 02:15:03,640
than the creation periods?
You're assuming that space rocks

2160
02:15:03,640 --> 02:15:06,760
came together to make the Earth.
Right, right.

2161
02:15:06,760 --> 02:15:10,440
I, well, right as of right.
Yeah, I am.

2162
02:15:10,440 --> 02:15:13,640
I'm making that assumption
'cause I would use, you know,

2163
02:15:13,640 --> 02:15:16,560
using what, what's, you know,
somebody else would say from an

2164
02:15:16,560 --> 02:15:22,640
old world or, or a old Earth
theological standpoint.

2165
02:15:24,000 --> 02:15:26,600
Mm hmm.
Are are are you not saying that

2166
02:15:26,600 --> 02:15:29,640
that that couldn't hold water
for some of those folks that

2167
02:15:29,640 --> 02:15:32,880
that doesn't make that that does
make sense?

2168
02:15:34,160 --> 02:15:37,400
If you're taking big chunks of
rocks and putting them together

2169
02:15:37,400 --> 02:15:44,360
to make a planet, then I guess
something like that could work,

2170
02:15:44,360 --> 02:15:47,080
but I don't think that's how the
creation happened at all.

2171
02:15:49,200 --> 02:15:55,040
Again, the creation model of
rocks clumping together doesn't

2172
02:15:55,040 --> 02:15:56,680
work.
I mean, when was the last time

2173
02:15:56,680 --> 02:16:01,800
you were playing pool and you
hit the ball to break it to

2174
02:16:01,880 --> 02:16:06,640
start the game and that ball
joined the other balls?

2175
02:16:07,520 --> 02:16:10,800
No, I, I, I understand that.
But again, you're, you're

2176
02:16:10,800 --> 02:16:16,120
talking about God, right?
You're, you're not talking about

2177
02:16:16,120 --> 02:16:19,200
a, a billiard player.
You're, you're talking about

2178
02:16:19,200 --> 02:16:21,680
God.
And, and I guess the way I look

2179
02:16:21,680 --> 02:16:23,920
at it, right, when, when, when
the Lord says matter

2180
02:16:23,920 --> 02:16:27,440
unorganized.
I, I don't know, maybe I'm just

2181
02:16:27,440 --> 02:16:29,680
making an assumption here, but I
would have thought they would

2182
02:16:29,680 --> 02:16:31,120
have.
He would have meant more than

2183
02:16:31,120 --> 02:16:35,799
just water, right?
Yeah, I don't know how it works.

2184
02:16:35,799 --> 02:16:42,320
There's some interesting ideas
about element and how element is

2185
02:16:43,080 --> 02:16:47,120
OK, how that?
Sorry, I wasn't trying to be

2186
02:16:47,120 --> 02:16:49,639
argumentative, I was just asking
some questions here trying.

2187
02:16:49,639 --> 02:16:50,680
To get yeah, that's a good
question.

2188
02:16:50,719 --> 02:16:54,959
And I don't so since I since we
don't have all the information

2189
02:16:54,959 --> 02:16:59,160
about how the creation happened
and we do have Joseph saying,

2190
02:16:59,160 --> 02:17:02,959
you know, First off, we need to
super duper verify that he

2191
02:17:02,959 --> 02:17:05,719
actually did say that the earth
is from parent risk.

2192
02:17:05,719 --> 02:17:08,360
And I'm going to say let's
accept that.

2193
02:17:08,360 --> 02:17:11,000
And let's just assume that
because I don't see any reason

2194
02:17:11,000 --> 02:17:13,120
why not to.
But that's just one of the many

2195
02:17:13,120 --> 02:17:15,760
things we'll have to do is
verify, super verify that.

2196
02:17:16,400 --> 02:17:22,440
But anyway, since since we don't
have all the answers about how

2197
02:17:22,520 --> 02:17:27,400
that happens and we do have, you
know, when you put certain

2198
02:17:29,080 --> 02:17:31,600
amounts of energy in water, it
can, it's called

2199
02:17:31,600 --> 02:17:34,200
sonoluminescence.
It can cause light.

2200
02:17:34,639 --> 02:17:40,080
And there's some funky things
that sure, when God talks and,

2201
02:17:40,280 --> 02:17:42,959
you know, the Spirit of God
moved upon the face of the water

2202
02:17:43,360 --> 02:17:48,480
like I'm in, I'm willing to
entertain the idea of certain

2203
02:17:48,480 --> 02:17:52,760
elements actually being made
from the existing retract.

2204
02:17:52,760 --> 02:18:00,120
Let's say, you know, OK, rather
than go down that trail that I'm

2205
02:18:00,120 --> 02:18:06,600
really not equipped to go down,
the point of my discussion here

2206
02:18:07,040 --> 02:18:10,639
is to say we can't
scientifically prove that the

2207
02:18:10,639 --> 02:18:13,360
Earth is old, and most
scientific evidence says it's

2208
02:18:13,360 --> 02:18:16,360
not old.
OK.

2209
02:18:17,200 --> 02:18:25,440
That's what I'm getting at,
yeah.

2210
02:18:27,000 --> 02:18:28,840
You see where the conundrum is
though, right?

2211
02:18:28,840 --> 02:18:37,040
A.
Little bit as far as the I mean

2212
02:18:37,040 --> 02:18:39,400
if you want to take it there,
why isn't our test showing that

2213
02:18:39,400 --> 02:18:43,440
rocks are Google quintillion
years old?

2214
02:18:44,000 --> 02:18:47,040
I'm not saying that the
scientists have it right, right

2215
02:18:47,040 --> 02:18:50,639
in in their dating, but what I
am saying is that I think

2216
02:18:50,639 --> 02:18:53,440
there's more there.
There's evidence there to

2217
02:18:53,440 --> 02:18:57,680
suggest that these elements that
were used to create the Earth

2218
02:18:58,080 --> 02:19:04,200
are much older than than just
the 6500 years.

2219
02:19:04,799 --> 02:19:06,799
And that's based off the
scripture, right?

2220
02:19:06,799 --> 02:19:10,200
Matter and organs, all right.
I think I have two ideas on

2221
02:19:10,200 --> 02:19:12,280
this.
One is even if they are much

2222
02:19:12,280 --> 02:19:16,760
older, that doesn't mean our our
earth itself is much older.

2223
02:19:17,639 --> 02:19:21,559
Would you agree with that?
That's certainly a possibility.

2224
02:19:21,559 --> 02:19:22,600
Yeah.
I'm, I'm willing.

2225
02:19:22,639 --> 02:19:25,559
I'm I'm open to, to, to
exploring that idea.

2226
02:19:25,959 --> 02:19:29,760
I mean, our Earth as it is now
constituted may not be that old.

2227
02:19:30,200 --> 02:19:32,879
There is some interesting stuff
though where Joseph talks about

2228
02:19:32,879 --> 02:19:35,400
the definition of a world
though, too, right?

2229
02:19:35,680 --> 02:19:38,920
Where he's in Nauvoo he talks to
and I can't remember.

2230
02:19:38,920 --> 02:19:41,879
I'll post the link to this
though, when when I post this

2231
02:19:42,719 --> 02:19:47,400
where Joseph basically says, you
know, the definition of a world

2232
02:19:47,400 --> 02:19:51,360
is an inhabited planet, so to
speak, right?

2233
02:19:51,960 --> 02:19:57,120
And that has some interesting
ideas that could be drawn from

2234
02:19:57,120 --> 02:19:59,600
that, I guess.
I guess what I'm saying is, is

2235
02:19:59,600 --> 02:20:02,920
that.
I, I, I, I see and feel your

2236
02:20:02,920 --> 02:20:08,760
passion and I agree with you on
99%, but I, I think we could be

2237
02:20:08,760 --> 02:20:11,720
just as guilty of saying Nope,
it's got to be this.

2238
02:20:12,040 --> 02:20:18,160
But we don't really have any
more concrete answers than the

2239
02:20:18,160 --> 02:20:25,800
old earth creation guys.
OK, so let me read this DNC 77.

2240
02:20:26,680 --> 02:20:35,760
It says, OK, the the earth, this
earth during the 7000 years of

2241
02:20:35,760 --> 02:20:37,960
its continuance or temporal
existence.

2242
02:20:38,320 --> 02:20:41,840
So God limits it to 7000 years
of temporal existence.

2243
02:20:42,560 --> 02:20:49,640
And then he says down in verse
12, he says as God made the

2244
02:20:49,640 --> 02:20:52,800
world in six days.
In other words, before those six

2245
02:20:52,800 --> 02:20:54,560
days, was there?
Was there a world?

2246
02:20:56,800 --> 02:21:00,720
Before those six days, no, there
was matter on earth.

2247
02:21:01,160 --> 02:21:06,680
OK, so this earth, OK it was
made at that time and on the 7th

2248
02:21:06,680 --> 02:21:09,640
day he finished his work and
sanctified it and also formed

2249
02:21:09,640 --> 02:21:10,960
man out of the dust of the
earth.

2250
02:21:10,960 --> 02:21:14,560
Even so, in the beginning of the
7000 years, Lord God will

2251
02:21:14,560 --> 02:21:18,400
sanctify the earth.
So whatever was floating around

2252
02:21:18,880 --> 02:21:24,160
or whatever was used, the point
is this Earth did not exist

2253
02:21:24,680 --> 02:21:28,240
before the six days of creation.
I don't think that's what that

2254
02:21:28,240 --> 02:21:33,560
says though, right?
It says that it, it was, he

2255
02:21:33,560 --> 02:21:36,680
rested at that 7000 years.
And we don't know how long Adam

2256
02:21:36,680 --> 02:21:38,040
and Eve were in the garden,
right?

2257
02:21:39,600 --> 02:21:41,600
And we don't know what was
happening outside the garden

2258
02:21:41,640 --> 02:21:45,360
either, right?
You, you see what I'm saying?

2259
02:21:45,360 --> 02:21:48,640
There's, there.
I don't think it's as open and

2260
02:21:48,640 --> 02:21:52,040
shut as what we'd all like.
I would love it if it was right.

2261
02:21:52,040 --> 02:21:56,200
And This is why I tend to put
this more in in the context of

2262
02:21:56,200 --> 02:22:00,080
an idea, right?
And and one worth exploring.

2263
02:22:00,440 --> 02:22:03,520
But this whole idea of of young
earth versus old Earth, I can

2264
02:22:03,520 --> 02:22:05,760
kind of see both sides of this
argument here.

2265
02:22:06,600 --> 02:22:09,840
OK, that's fair.
Because I think there's evidence

2266
02:22:10,040 --> 02:22:13,720
on both sides that I think needs
to be weighed in the bed.

2267
02:22:15,080 --> 02:22:19,480
And you mentioned one thing that
you we don't know what was

2268
02:22:19,480 --> 02:22:22,400
happening outside of Eden.
That's a slippery slope.

2269
02:22:22,640 --> 02:22:26,400
A lot of evolutionists use that.
They say, oh, well, there's just

2270
02:22:26,400 --> 02:22:29,880
this temporary little Eden thing
where, you know, Adam wouldn't

2271
02:22:29,880 --> 02:22:31,880
die till he had the fruit.
But everywhere else in the

2272
02:22:31,880 --> 02:22:35,320
world, they were just going on
business as usual, dying and

2273
02:22:35,320 --> 02:22:38,520
killing and evolving.
But that's not what the Book

2274
02:22:38,520 --> 02:22:45,520
Mormon teaches.
The Book Mormon says that all

2275
02:22:46,360 --> 02:22:48,760
things would have remained in
the state after which they were

2276
02:22:48,760 --> 02:22:50,960
created if it weren't for the
fall of man.

2277
02:22:52,400 --> 02:22:57,240
So I would say the earth was
made in this perfect thing.

2278
02:22:57,240 --> 02:23:02,560
It was this immortal thing, and
it was only at the fall when

2279
02:23:02,560 --> 02:23:05,600
death came into the world.
So this definitely eliminates

2280
02:23:05,600 --> 02:23:09,280
the possibility of evolution for
the origin of species.

2281
02:23:10,240 --> 02:23:12,480
I agree with you there.
That right, I'm not, I'm not a

2282
02:23:12,480 --> 02:23:16,120
believer in evolution.
What my, what what I'm saying

2283
02:23:16,120 --> 02:23:19,440
here is, is the old earth versus
young Earth.

2284
02:23:19,480 --> 02:23:22,040
And even though nothing was
killing each other outside the

2285
02:23:22,040 --> 02:23:26,840
garden, it still doesn't say
what was, you know, it.

2286
02:23:26,880 --> 02:23:30,400
It doesn't preclude that the
materials used to build the

2287
02:23:30,400 --> 02:23:34,480
earth were significantly older
than the formed Earth that we

2288
02:23:34,480 --> 02:23:37,160
have now.
That's that's my argument.

2289
02:23:38,600 --> 02:23:41,920
OK, well, should we move on?
Yep, Yep, let's move on.

2290
02:23:42,920 --> 02:23:46,840
One, I won't read all this, but
one thing to be very aware of in

2291
02:23:46,840 --> 02:23:50,600
the restoration is that we do
have at least three restoration

2292
02:23:50,600 --> 02:23:54,920
references that the days of
creation could be talking about

2293
02:23:54,920 --> 02:24:00,360
1000 year periods.
OK, so in JST second Peter 3/8

2294
02:24:01,840 --> 02:24:08,320
says one day with the Lord is as
1000 a years and 1000 years as

2295
02:24:08,320 --> 02:24:12,400
one day.
And then in facsimile 2 figure

2296
02:24:12,400 --> 02:24:16,560
one says Kolob, the signifying
the first creation nearest to

2297
02:24:16,560 --> 02:24:19,240
the celestial or residents of
God first in government, last

2298
02:24:19,240 --> 02:24:22,360
pertaining of time, which by the
way, apparently God does have

2299
02:24:22,360 --> 02:24:23,880
time because it says it right
there.

2300
02:24:24,040 --> 02:24:26,800
It's a Protestant idea that God
doesn't have time.

2301
02:24:26,800 --> 02:24:28,120
And yeah, there's a Bible
reference.

2302
02:24:28,120 --> 02:24:33,080
I know time no more, but it's
time as we know it no more, OK.

2303
02:24:33,480 --> 02:24:37,360
So the measurement of celestial
time, OK, temporal time no more,

2304
02:24:37,480 --> 02:24:38,960
right?
These things are going to

2305
02:24:38,960 --> 02:24:42,000
change.
Celestial time, OK, signifies

2306
02:24:42,000 --> 02:24:44,800
one day to one cubit, one day.
And colon was equal to 1000

2307
02:24:44,800 --> 02:24:46,560
years according to measurement
of this Earth, which is called

2308
02:24:46,560 --> 02:24:47,960
by Egyptians, JOA.
OK.

2309
02:24:48,480 --> 02:24:50,560
So there it was right there.
You know, there's got the

2310
02:24:50,560 --> 02:24:52,000
measure.
And by the way, this takes on

2311
02:24:52,000 --> 02:24:56,280
another huge evolution argument,
which is that the Scriptures are

2312
02:24:56,280 --> 02:25:00,560
not a science textbook.
Yeah.

2313
02:25:01,760 --> 02:25:03,840
This looks like scientific terms
to me.

2314
02:25:04,040 --> 02:25:08,600
Measurement the equal to the
measurement and the the length

2315
02:25:08,600 --> 02:25:12,600
of and all this.
OK, so this is scientific terms

2316
02:25:12,600 --> 02:25:17,120
right here, like God doesn't
make this arbitrary distinction

2317
02:25:17,120 --> 02:25:20,720
between science and religion
that we do, or temporal and

2318
02:25:20,720 --> 02:25:24,440
spiritual.
So quit saying that the Bible

2319
02:25:24,440 --> 02:25:26,840
and the Scriptures are not a
science textbook.

2320
02:25:26,840 --> 02:25:30,880
You know, yeah, obviously the
main purpose is not that, but

2321
02:25:32,040 --> 02:25:35,600
we'll we'll get into more about
how the scriptures are not going

2322
02:25:35,600 --> 02:25:38,640
to be, you know, just flat
wrong.

2323
02:25:38,760 --> 02:25:44,080
You know, it's like, would Jesus
use a parable like the parable

2324
02:25:44,080 --> 02:25:49,080
of the man who loved to be a
communist slave?

2325
02:25:49,080 --> 02:25:52,560
I don't know.
It's it's not reality.

2326
02:25:53,000 --> 02:25:57,480
So so God's not going to paint a
non reality nature to us in the

2327
02:25:57,480 --> 02:26:00,560
scriptures either.
And when we get into the days of

2328
02:26:00,560 --> 02:26:04,800
creation, how evolution days are
just patently opposite of

2329
02:26:04,800 --> 02:26:07,520
scripture days.
That's a big, big hitter there.

2330
02:26:07,520 --> 02:26:09,160
OK, the last one is Abraham
three.

2331
02:26:10,480 --> 02:26:14,480
OK, it it talks about, OK, that
one revolution is like, again,

2332
02:26:14,480 --> 02:26:17,800
these are more science terms.
The time appointed like this is

2333
02:26:17,800 --> 02:26:21,040
measurement.
This is calculation, OK?

2334
02:26:21,040 --> 02:26:23,320
One is set to rule.
This one set will that these

2335
02:26:23,320 --> 02:26:27,560
facts exist, OK.
It's set here in this location,

2336
02:26:27,560 --> 02:26:30,320
OK.
So anyway, I'm not going to read

2337
02:26:30,320 --> 02:26:32,440
that because we're going to move
on, OK?

2338
02:26:33,040 --> 02:26:35,640
They make this claim in the
Let's Talk book that Abraham

2339
02:26:35,640 --> 02:26:37,960
implies evolution when he says
this.

2340
02:26:37,960 --> 02:26:40,360
Can we read you the verse?
You tell me if you agree with

2341
02:26:40,360 --> 02:26:44,960
the authors that this is
screaming evolution, OK.

2342
02:26:45,920 --> 02:26:48,360
And the gods prepared the waters
that they might bring forth

2343
02:26:48,360 --> 02:26:50,600
great whales and every living
creature that moveth.

2344
02:26:50,960 --> 02:26:53,640
And the waters were to bring
forth abundantly after their

2345
02:26:53,640 --> 02:26:56,680
kind and every wing foul after
their kind.

2346
02:26:56,960 --> 02:26:58,760
And the gods thought they would
be obeyed and their plan was

2347
02:26:58,760 --> 02:27:02,480
good.
OK, you read that.

2348
02:27:02,480 --> 02:27:05,200
Did you just did you just become
a a lifelong?

2349
02:27:05,640 --> 02:27:09,720
No, no, no, I didn't, No.
The one thing that I could see

2350
02:27:09,720 --> 02:27:12,440
here, it says the waters
prepared, that the waters might

2351
02:27:12,440 --> 02:27:14,560
bring forth great whales.
So I'm, I'm assuming they're

2352
02:27:14,560 --> 02:27:18,760
meaning, oh, well, I guess the,
the microbes evolved into whales

2353
02:27:18,760 --> 02:27:20,520
in the water.
Like I'm trying to see where

2354
02:27:20,520 --> 02:27:23,520
they're getting this from.
But then if you had that, that

2355
02:27:23,840 --> 02:27:27,280
crazy idea, then it goes on to
say everything's after its kind,

2356
02:27:27,720 --> 02:27:29,480
the week after their kind, their
kind.

2357
02:27:29,800 --> 02:27:31,680
So wouldn't the whales bring
after their kind?

2358
02:27:31,920 --> 02:27:33,960
Absolutely.
Did evolution happen up until

2359
02:27:33,960 --> 02:27:36,720
whales and then everything only
was after its kind.

2360
02:27:37,160 --> 02:27:39,800
Then that's the kind of non
logic that we're seeing here.

2361
02:27:40,040 --> 02:27:42,040
Right.
Is that logic?

2362
02:27:42,840 --> 02:27:44,840
No.
No, no, not much.

2363
02:27:45,800 --> 02:27:49,520
OK, now the next verse gives
even more context that the days

2364
02:27:49,520 --> 02:27:53,680
of creation were actual days.
OK, they did include this in

2365
02:27:53,680 --> 02:27:55,800
their book.
It says, and the God said will

2366
02:27:55,800 --> 02:27:58,320
bless them and cause them to
bring birth, multiply, fill the

2367
02:27:58,320 --> 02:28:00,320
waters in the seas, K, cause the
fallible.

2368
02:28:00,720 --> 02:28:04,320
And it came to pass that it was
from evening until morning that

2369
02:28:04,320 --> 02:28:06,040
they called night.
And it came to pass that it was

2370
02:28:06,040 --> 02:28:07,920
from morning until evening that
they called day.

2371
02:28:08,160 --> 02:28:11,320
And it was the fifth time.
So clearly here he's showing

2372
02:28:11,320 --> 02:28:14,880
that the days of creation, they
were actual days.

2373
02:28:16,320 --> 02:28:21,320
And like I said, that was either
our 24 hour day of you know, I

2374
02:28:21,320 --> 02:28:24,360
think that unlikely, but it's
likely God's day, right?

2375
02:28:24,360 --> 02:28:28,080
It says it takes the 1000 year
for one revolution to complete,

2376
02:28:28,080 --> 02:28:30,040
right?
For for one spin on the axis, I

2377
02:28:30,040 --> 02:28:35,440
mean for one day to happen.
So clearly these days of

2378
02:28:35,440 --> 02:28:41,080
creation, according to Abraham,
are actual, actual days.

2379
02:28:41,080 --> 02:28:42,280
You see what I'm saying?
Yep.

2380
02:28:42,400 --> 02:28:46,120
No, I see what you're saying.
It's a it's a measured period of

2381
02:28:46,120 --> 02:28:49,160
time.
Which correlates to day and

2382
02:28:49,160 --> 02:28:51,400
night, right?
Every time.

2383
02:28:51,680 --> 02:28:53,960
Whether it's ours or gods.
Yeah.

2384
02:28:54,760 --> 02:28:57,960
Yep.
OK, so you can't just say the

2385
02:28:57,960 --> 02:29:02,040
common evolution argument, which
is, well, we don't really know

2386
02:29:02,040 --> 02:29:03,640
how long the days of creation
were.

2387
02:29:03,640 --> 02:29:06,320
And yeah, we don't have the
exact amount of time, but we do

2388
02:29:06,320 --> 02:29:10,440
know that they are limited to
but one day cycles.

2389
02:29:13,960 --> 02:29:18,720
OK, this this part is I said the
tales part was my favorite part.

2390
02:29:18,720 --> 02:29:20,560
This this part's my second
favorite part.

2391
02:29:21,360 --> 02:29:24,880
They just say that scripture got
the creation order wrong.

2392
02:29:24,880 --> 02:29:27,240
OK, listen to what they said.
Quote.

2393
02:29:27,240 --> 02:29:30,600
Potential issues of
compatibility with evolution

2394
02:29:30,920 --> 02:29:35,800
only arise if one stipulates
that the creative periods had to

2395
02:29:35,800 --> 02:29:39,560
occur in the exact order
described. close quote.

2396
02:29:42,120 --> 02:29:45,560
So did you see what they just
said?

2397
02:29:47,280 --> 02:29:51,120
Right.
They said evolution works as

2398
02:29:51,120 --> 02:29:54,840
long as you don't think the
creation days are in the right

2399
02:29:54,840 --> 02:29:59,880
order.
Wow, excuse.

2400
02:30:00,520 --> 02:30:04,040
Me.
Yeah, Holy cow.

2401
02:30:06,720 --> 02:30:09,720
OK, let's, let's look at it.
OK, The Bible and evolution,

2402
02:30:09,720 --> 02:30:13,160
they're complete opposites, OK.
Bible says Earth before the sun

2403
02:30:13,160 --> 02:30:15,600
and stars.
Evolution says sun before stars

2404
02:30:15,600 --> 02:30:17,440
and Earth.
OK, this might be hard for you

2405
02:30:17,440 --> 02:30:20,680
to swallow because the whole
accretion model, it's just

2406
02:30:20,680 --> 02:30:23,880
another evolution nonsense that,
you know, The Big Bang happened.

2407
02:30:23,880 --> 02:30:26,600
There was all this fiery guts
going everywhere, and then it

2408
02:30:26,600 --> 02:30:28,000
revolves.
And then, oh, there's nice

2409
02:30:28,120 --> 02:30:30,360
little planets and they're
there, this planar field.

2410
02:30:30,800 --> 02:30:33,680
And.
OK, that's a big fairy tale.

2411
02:30:33,880 --> 02:30:37,080
You got to get rid of that
version of of the creation.

2412
02:30:37,640 --> 02:30:40,120
And remember the book of Moses
says when he's talking to

2413
02:30:40,120 --> 02:30:44,240
Abraham about how the world was
made, he said guess what, I'm

2414
02:30:44,240 --> 02:30:46,120
only telling you about your
world.

2415
02:30:47,400 --> 02:30:50,640
Seeing the creation accounts are
localized creation events.

2416
02:30:51,640 --> 02:30:55,320
God didn't just make the whole
universe in those seven days.

2417
02:30:57,000 --> 02:31:00,240
This creation narrative was was
specific to our world.

2418
02:31:01,320 --> 02:31:03,440
So the Bible says oceans before
land.

2419
02:31:03,440 --> 02:31:07,000
Evolution says land before
oceans Bible says Light before

2420
02:31:07,000 --> 02:31:11,120
the sun evolution says sun
before the light Bible says land

2421
02:31:11,120 --> 02:31:13,360
plants before marine life.
Evolution says marine life

2422
02:31:13,360 --> 02:31:16,280
before land plants Bible says.
Fruit trees before fish

2423
02:31:16,360 --> 02:31:19,160
evolution says Fish before fruit
trees Bible says.

2424
02:31:19,160 --> 02:31:21,400
Fish before insects Bible says.
The opposite.

2425
02:31:21,680 --> 02:31:23,760
Bible says.
Plants before the sun evolution

2426
02:31:23,760 --> 02:31:25,760
says the opposite.
Bible says Birds before

2427
02:31:25,760 --> 02:31:28,400
reptiles.
Evolution says the opposite.

2428
02:31:28,920 --> 02:31:31,280
Bible says here's the big
hitters.

2429
02:31:31,520 --> 02:31:33,760
Bible says that man brought
death into the world.

2430
02:31:34,000 --> 02:31:37,120
Evolution says death brought man
into the world.

2431
02:31:38,080 --> 02:31:44,400
And the ultimate right, Right.
Was was is Death the hero in

2432
02:31:44,400 --> 02:31:47,600
this story?
No, the villain, right?

2433
02:31:47,680 --> 02:31:52,720
I mean, that villain, yeah.
Are we to thank death for our

2434
02:31:53,080 --> 02:31:56,280
life on earth?
Right that that's the evolution

2435
02:31:56,280 --> 02:31:58,720
story.
And finally, the Bible says God

2436
02:31:58,720 --> 02:32:01,480
created man and evolution says
man created God.

2437
02:32:02,960 --> 02:32:06,520
Now, but you got to admit here
these are some stark

2438
02:32:06,520 --> 02:32:11,160
differences.
The question is, not only is the

2439
02:32:11,160 --> 02:32:16,680
Bible not a scientific textbook,
but the Bible is the opposite of

2440
02:32:16,680 --> 02:32:19,960
truth.
Is what they're what they're

2441
02:32:19,960 --> 02:32:22,760
saying, yeah.
Yeah, they're saying as long as

2442
02:32:22,760 --> 02:32:27,960
you can throw away the creation
account from multiple scriptures

2443
02:32:28,200 --> 02:32:31,040
where God himself is talking in
the first person about how it

2444
02:32:31,040 --> 02:32:35,920
happened, as long as you don't
mind, you know, rearranging all

2445
02:32:35,920 --> 02:32:44,520
of that, evolution is perfect.
OK, Now, so this is just heresy

2446
02:32:44,520 --> 02:32:50,120
on every possible level.
One thing that I will bring up

2447
02:32:50,120 --> 02:32:54,840
here, the sun OK OK, when the
Bible it actually does say the

2448
02:32:54,840 --> 02:32:59,000
sun was the 4th day and in the
temple they recently corrected

2449
02:32:59,000 --> 02:33:00,960
it to where the sun does it's on
the 4th day.

2450
02:33:00,960 --> 02:33:03,800
Now I'm pretty darn sure that it
didn't used to be that way and

2451
02:33:03,800 --> 02:33:05,600
then when they changed I was
like oh holy crap.

2452
02:33:05,600 --> 02:33:09,440
They put it in the correct spot
that the scripture says it is.

2453
02:33:10,560 --> 02:33:16,920
OK now don't strike me down, but
I'm I'll that that's what

2454
02:33:16,920 --> 02:33:22,480
happened.
OK, now how does this happen

2455
02:33:22,480 --> 02:33:24,040
where you have the Earth before
the sun?

2456
02:33:24,160 --> 02:33:28,680
Well, according to our planetary
nebula hypothesis, that's not

2457
02:33:28,680 --> 02:33:33,800
how it works at all, but OK.
And I will say, OK, just for

2458
02:33:33,800 --> 02:33:37,040
those of you who really, really,
really like the idea that the

2459
02:33:37,040 --> 02:33:39,000
sun had to be here before the
Earth.

2460
02:33:39,000 --> 02:33:42,400
OK, I will say maybe it was.
I'm not going to die on that

2461
02:33:42,400 --> 02:33:44,160
hill.
And the way they explain this is

2462
02:33:44,160 --> 02:33:48,280
they say, well, maybe the clouds
were covering the sun and, you

2463
02:33:48,280 --> 02:33:52,880
know, the clouds parted on day
four, and that's when he was

2464
02:33:52,880 --> 02:33:57,960
able to see the, you know, the
white sun.

2465
02:33:58,800 --> 02:33:59,800
Yeah.
OK.

2466
02:33:59,960 --> 02:34:02,200
I don't like that at all.
But I'm just going to throw it

2467
02:34:02,200 --> 02:34:04,600
out there that sure, that's a
possibility.

2468
02:34:04,600 --> 02:34:06,800
But think of this possibility,
too.

2469
02:34:07,080 --> 02:34:11,160
Think of the supernatural
possibility, OK, that maybe the

2470
02:34:11,160 --> 02:34:14,320
light source was something else
on the Earth if the sun wasn't

2471
02:34:14,320 --> 02:34:19,440
the light source until day four.
OK, Book of Revelation tells us

2472
02:34:19,440 --> 02:34:22,120
that there will be alternate
light source for the planet in

2473
02:34:22,120 --> 02:34:24,400
the future.
It says and there shall be no

2474
02:34:24,400 --> 02:34:28,240
night there and they need no
candle neither light of the sun.

2475
02:34:28,880 --> 02:34:31,440
For the Lord God giveth them
light and they shall reign

2476
02:34:31,440 --> 02:34:33,640
forever and ever.
So Revelation 22 fight.

2477
02:34:34,400 --> 02:34:37,640
So the future light source of
this planet is not going to be

2478
02:34:37,640 --> 02:34:43,160
the sun, OK?
So it's not totally off limits

2479
02:34:43,320 --> 02:34:46,080
to say that that the past light
source of the sun was different.

2480
02:34:46,080 --> 02:34:48,960
Maybe the earth itself glowed,
or maybe just the presence of

2481
02:34:48,960 --> 02:34:52,120
God creating the thing that was
sufficient, right?

2482
02:34:52,520 --> 02:34:55,640
The point is, why do we reject
all of these?

2483
02:34:56,280 --> 02:34:58,480
Why do we say the scriptures
have to come second?

2484
02:34:59,120 --> 02:35:01,640
Why does the science stories get
to tell us how things happen?

2485
02:35:03,360 --> 02:35:11,120
Because they're just theories
and we we really, you know,

2486
02:35:11,200 --> 02:35:15,560
people don't realize how how
theoretical these things are and

2487
02:35:15,560 --> 02:35:19,120
and we need to allow for
supernatural alternatives to

2488
02:35:19,120 --> 02:35:22,960
exist because the scriptures say
that history is Chuck full of

2489
02:35:22,960 --> 02:35:27,040
supernatural alternatives to it
wasn't just a uniform theory of

2490
02:35:27,040 --> 02:35:30,960
everything going on the same
uniform theory is code word for

2491
02:35:30,960 --> 02:35:33,640
atheist theory.
There's no supernatural no

2492
02:35:33,640 --> 02:35:36,320
changes.
OK, so anyway, that's enough.

2493
02:35:36,320 --> 02:35:39,200
About that Nate, can can we go
back to the age of the earth

2494
02:35:39,200 --> 02:35:42,320
just real quick?
So I do want to, I do want to

2495
02:35:42,440 --> 02:35:45,560
want to point this out.
This is from the Joseph Smith

2496
02:35:45,560 --> 02:35:48,280
Papers and it was reported by
William Clayton.

2497
02:35:49,440 --> 02:35:54,080
So some some prominent LDS
historians have have put this in

2498
02:35:54,080 --> 02:35:56,520
there and and here's what Joseph
said.

2499
02:35:56,520 --> 02:35:59,520
The world and earth are not
synonymous terms.

2500
02:35:59,520 --> 02:36:04,040
The world is the human family.
The earth was organized or

2501
02:36:04,040 --> 02:36:07,160
formed out of other planets
which were broke up and

2502
02:36:07,160 --> 02:36:10,840
remodeled and made into one on
which we live.

2503
02:36:11,200 --> 02:36:14,600
The elements are eternal.
That which has a beginning will

2504
02:36:14,600 --> 02:36:16,440
surely have an end to take a
ring.

2505
02:36:16,800 --> 02:36:21,840
It is without beginning or end.
Cut it for a beginning place and

2506
02:36:21,840 --> 02:36:24,800
at the same time you have an
ending place.

2507
02:36:26,480 --> 02:36:29,760
OK.
So that's, that's from Joseph

2508
02:36:29,760 --> 02:36:33,360
Smith, right?
And, and I only, I only bring

2509
02:36:33,360 --> 02:36:39,120
this up because I do want to
leave room here to, to allow

2510
02:36:39,120 --> 02:36:41,800
people to debate this, right?
Just like I don't want to look

2511
02:36:41,840 --> 02:36:45,320
at evolutionists and allow them
to say that the science is

2512
02:36:45,320 --> 02:36:48,240
settled.
I think we have to take all of

2513
02:36:48,240 --> 02:36:53,720
our information to to to come up
with a hypothesis, right?

2514
02:36:54,680 --> 02:36:57,000
OK, yeah.
And my hat's off to Joseph, you

2515
02:36:57,000 --> 02:37:01,800
know, every day.
And I will quickly agree that

2516
02:37:03,400 --> 02:37:09,360
that he taught that especially.
Yeah, let's, let's go with this.

2517
02:37:09,880 --> 02:37:12,000
You can still see, though, that
what Joseph's saying and what

2518
02:37:12,000 --> 02:37:13,560
evolution is saying are quite
different.

2519
02:37:13,600 --> 02:37:15,960
They are, yes.
And I think that's the point we

2520
02:37:15,960 --> 02:37:18,920
want to make here, right, is
that we can have disagreements

2521
02:37:18,920 --> 02:37:23,680
with each other and not find
ourselves on the fast track to

2522
02:37:23,680 --> 02:37:29,080
evolution.
In my head the SO the the

2523
02:37:29,080 --> 02:37:33,480
obvious picture is not that
Earth has been sitting around

2524
02:37:33,840 --> 02:37:38,880
for 4.6 billion years, slowly
evolving the life forms on it.

2525
02:37:39,200 --> 02:37:41,760
Right, right.
That's totally not what Joseph

2526
02:37:41,760 --> 02:37:42,480
said.
Nope.

2527
02:37:42,760 --> 02:37:43,720
There.
Nope, I agree.

2528
02:37:43,720 --> 02:37:47,800
Joseph said there.
He said this earth was made from

2529
02:37:47,800 --> 02:37:49,840
pieces of other earths, right?
Right.

2530
02:37:50,840 --> 02:37:53,800
OK.
And so in my head, I picture,

2531
02:37:53,840 --> 02:37:58,080
you know, as these other planets
and maybe some pieces of them

2532
02:37:58,080 --> 02:38:02,560
get extracted to, you know, put
together, assemble the new

2533
02:38:02,560 --> 02:38:03,560
planet.
Right.

2534
02:38:03,720 --> 02:38:10,160
Yep.
Either way, that's still a

2535
02:38:10,160 --> 02:38:13,880
pretty young earth in my head.
Sure, because it it assembled.

2536
02:38:14,160 --> 02:38:16,200
Sure, but the elements would be
older, right?

2537
02:38:16,200 --> 02:38:17,880
Which could account for the
carbon dating.

2538
02:38:19,040 --> 02:38:20,560
OK.
Right.

2539
02:38:21,760 --> 02:38:24,880
I I guess.
Now you you could say that the

2540
02:38:24,880 --> 02:38:28,720
carbon dating might be correct,
but their hypothesis, their

2541
02:38:28,720 --> 02:38:31,440
ending hypothesis is still
wrong.

2542
02:38:32,840 --> 02:38:35,840
Well from my research I can't
say the carbon dating can be

2543
02:38:35,840 --> 02:38:40,360
correct because I've even seen
other plethora of examples where

2544
02:38:41,400 --> 02:38:45,080
it's not correct on so many
levels but.

2545
02:38:45,080 --> 02:38:48,160
OK, OK.
And I'll take your word for it,

2546
02:38:48,160 --> 02:38:50,360
you're a scientist.
I'm just a moron than talking to

2547
02:38:50,360 --> 02:38:51,440
a microphone.
So.

2548
02:38:51,600 --> 02:38:54,440
Well, that's and that's what
we're both trying to, that's the

2549
02:38:54,440 --> 02:38:56,760
idea we're both trying to attack
is don't just take the word of

2550
02:38:56,760 --> 02:39:02,520
scientist and I I'm just saying
from my experience, my view is

2551
02:39:02,520 --> 02:39:06,560
that it's it's not reliable to
on any level.

2552
02:39:06,880 --> 02:39:08,200
Sure.
Sure.

2553
02:39:09,120 --> 02:39:11,760
Nope, I get that.
Anyway, I just wanted to back up

2554
02:39:11,760 --> 02:39:13,560
my source.
I was spouting there without

2555
02:39:14,680 --> 02:39:16,760
backing up my source and that
was bugging me.

2556
02:39:17,080 --> 02:39:21,040
I don't like doing that so.
OK.

2557
02:39:22,520 --> 02:39:30,120
So yeah, especially as you get
older, it's gets less reliable.

2558
02:39:31,520 --> 02:39:34,200
Dude, you have no idea.
Or.

2559
02:39:34,960 --> 02:39:37,120
Would I tell my wives when I
forget something?

2560
02:39:37,720 --> 02:39:43,360
Yeah, OK, We already talked
about this.

2561
02:39:43,360 --> 02:39:48,320
Jacob said you need.
You can't, OK, You can't know

2562
02:39:48,320 --> 02:39:49,840
about the creation without
revelation.

2563
02:39:50,200 --> 02:39:53,080
He specifically says that the
creation was done by God saying

2564
02:39:53,080 --> 02:39:58,080
stuff, and then it happened.
So the power of his word, man

2565
02:39:58,080 --> 02:40:01,400
came upon the face of the earth.
Man, go to the earth.

2566
02:40:01,840 --> 02:40:03,920
All right, here I am.
And.

2567
02:40:04,240 --> 02:40:06,600
And you know, wherefore God
being able to speak and the

2568
02:40:06,600 --> 02:40:08,600
world was and to speak and man
was created.

2569
02:40:08,920 --> 02:40:10,480
Well, then why not able to
command the earth?

2570
02:40:11,560 --> 02:40:14,360
OK, so in other words, God can
command the earth and it obeys

2571
02:40:14,360 --> 02:40:14,600
him.
OK?

2572
02:40:15,640 --> 02:40:20,520
Yep.
So does he command the earth,

2573
02:40:20,520 --> 02:40:25,280
you know, Hey, earth, please,
like let's negotiate.

2574
02:40:26,200 --> 02:40:28,240
I'll do a few favor if you do me
a favor.

2575
02:40:28,240 --> 02:40:32,080
Could you please like maybe
create a monkey for me?

2576
02:40:32,560 --> 02:40:35,160
Like I really need that monkey
to get my atom on scene.

2577
02:40:35,680 --> 02:40:37,960
Well.
No, it's going to cost you.

2578
02:40:37,960 --> 02:40:40,640
All right, fine.
Well, I can get that done for

2579
02:40:40,640 --> 02:40:44,000
you in 4 billion years, you
know, for a small fee.

2580
02:40:44,000 --> 02:40:45,560
He's like, look, I need to
double it.

2581
02:40:45,840 --> 02:40:48,240
I need it in 2 billion.
What you got like, well, that's

2582
02:40:48,240 --> 02:40:51,320
going to cost you even more.
OK, That's not that's not how it

2583
02:40:51,320 --> 02:40:53,840
went.
God was the boss.

2584
02:40:54,320 --> 02:40:57,360
He's the boss.
And he made he made it happen.

2585
02:40:59,360 --> 02:41:03,360
OK, Now an important thing is
that your scientists have to be

2586
02:41:03,360 --> 02:41:04,720
men of God.
OK?

2587
02:41:05,040 --> 02:41:07,280
Listen to how Isaac Newton
studied, he said.

2588
02:41:07,280 --> 02:41:09,840
All my discoveries have been
made and answered a prayer.

2589
02:41:10,440 --> 02:41:11,200
Wow.
He said.

2590
02:41:11,760 --> 02:41:14,600
The more I study science, the
more I believe in God.

2591
02:41:16,960 --> 02:41:19,160
So here's a.
Question that never gets touted

2592
02:41:19,160 --> 02:41:20,720
when you start talking about
Newton.

2593
02:41:20,880 --> 02:41:21,360
Ever.
No.

2594
02:41:21,960 --> 02:41:24,560
And do you hear today's
scientists saying, the more I

2595
02:41:24,560 --> 02:41:26,760
study evolution, the more I
believe in God?

2596
02:41:26,920 --> 02:41:29,080
Not many of them.
A few, but not many.

2597
02:41:29,760 --> 02:41:33,240
Or do we hear the people?
Do we hear Darwin saying?

2598
02:41:33,360 --> 02:41:36,800
The more I prayed about it, the
more I just knew that evolution

2599
02:41:36,800 --> 02:41:39,080
was the origin of species.
Right.

2600
02:41:39,920 --> 02:41:42,600
Yep.
Newton says a man may imagine

2601
02:41:42,600 --> 02:41:45,320
things to be false, but he can
only understand things to be

2602
02:41:45,320 --> 02:41:49,400
true.
Now you compare that to, you

2603
02:41:49,400 --> 02:41:51,640
know.
So, in other words, was Darwin

2604
02:41:51,640 --> 02:41:56,280
this this prophet of biology
that gave us the grand

2605
02:41:56,280 --> 02:42:00,160
revelation of the latter days,
you know?

2606
02:42:00,600 --> 02:42:04,240
Yeah.
OK, OK, now this part is where

2607
02:42:04,240 --> 02:42:07,880
it's the really, I'm sorry to
say it, which might sound rude,

2608
02:42:07,880 --> 02:42:12,200
but this is where they really
get into the 1984 doublethink.

2609
02:42:12,680 --> 02:42:15,920
Like now you see it, now you
don't kind of stuff.

2610
02:42:16,640 --> 02:42:19,400
Then you seek.
This is where they quote the

2611
02:42:19,400 --> 02:42:21,560
First Presidency statements
'cause they know they have to

2612
02:42:21,560 --> 02:42:23,800
deal with these.
OK, they say quote.

2613
02:42:23,800 --> 02:42:27,200
Neither First Presidency
statement confirmed or denied

2614
02:42:27,320 --> 02:42:29,360
the claims of evolutionary
science.

2615
02:42:29,960 --> 02:42:35,000
Oh gosh, really?
That is what they said.

2616
02:42:35,000 --> 02:42:37,960
OK, so now we're going to read
those first pregnancy statements

2617
02:42:37,960 --> 02:42:42,200
and you tell me if if they
didn't confirm or deny the

2618
02:42:42,200 --> 02:42:46,400
claims of evolutionary science.
OK OK.

2619
02:42:46,400 --> 02:42:51,440
President Smith, nineteen O 9.
It is held by some that Adam was

2620
02:42:51,440 --> 02:42:54,880
not the first man upon this
earth, and that the original

2621
02:42:54,880 --> 02:42:58,720
human being was a development
from lower orders of the animal

2622
02:42:58,720 --> 02:43:01,520
creation.
These, however, are the theories

2623
02:43:01,520 --> 02:43:03,720
of men.
The word of the Lord declares

2624
02:43:03,720 --> 02:43:08,760
that Adam was the first man of
all men, Moses 134 and we are

2625
02:43:08,760 --> 02:43:12,240
therefore in duty bound to
regard him as the primal parent

2626
02:43:12,280 --> 02:43:14,680
of our race.
It was shown to the brother

2627
02:43:14,680 --> 02:43:17,080
Jared that all men were created
in the beginning after the image

2628
02:43:17,080 --> 02:43:20,600
of God, and whether we take this
to mean the spirit or the body,

2629
02:43:20,600 --> 02:43:22,880
or both, it commits us to the
same conclusion.

2630
02:43:22,880 --> 02:43:25,840
Man began life as a human being
in the likeness of our heavenly

2631
02:43:25,840 --> 02:43:26,760
Father.
Close quote.

2632
02:43:28,440 --> 02:43:30,280
I don't know how you get
evolution out of that.

2633
02:43:31,680 --> 02:43:34,040
Yeah, who?
What was he talking about?

2634
02:43:35,040 --> 02:43:36,200
Like where?
Where?

2635
02:43:36,240 --> 02:43:38,120
Show me how you come up with
that.

2636
02:43:38,520 --> 02:43:43,600
That makes no sense.
It was held by some.

2637
02:43:43,920 --> 02:43:46,400
By who?
I wonder that Adam was not the

2638
02:43:46,400 --> 02:43:48,240
first man.
Well, who was that?

2639
02:43:48,240 --> 02:43:50,600
The original human was a
development from lower orders of

2640
02:43:50,600 --> 02:43:53,200
the animal.
Yeah, I'm not seeing evolution

2641
02:43:53,200 --> 02:43:55,800
in that at all.
That definitely doesn't confirm

2642
02:43:55,800 --> 02:44:00,520
or deny evolutionary science and
and notice how they phrased it.

2643
02:44:00,840 --> 02:44:04,240
Evolutionary science.
It's like, OK, how about

2644
02:44:04,520 --> 02:44:09,440
validated evolutionary science
or glorified evolutionary

2645
02:44:09,440 --> 02:44:12,920
science?
Let's just dress it up with all

2646
02:44:12,920 --> 02:44:15,880
the all we can.
OK.

2647
02:44:15,880 --> 02:44:21,040
The next one is President Grant
1925 quote.

2648
02:44:21,280 --> 02:44:23,320
And again, these are these were
both First Presidency

2649
02:44:23,320 --> 02:44:25,280
statements.
All men and women are in the

2650
02:44:25,280 --> 02:44:28,480
similitude of the universal
Father and Mother, and are

2651
02:44:28,480 --> 02:44:31,520
literally sons and daughters of
Deity.

2652
02:44:31,920 --> 02:44:35,000
Man is the child of God, formed
in the divine image and endowed

2653
02:44:35,000 --> 02:44:39,240
with divine attributes.
And even as the infant son of an

2654
02:44:39,240 --> 02:44:42,200
earthly father and mother is
capable in due time of becoming

2655
02:44:42,200 --> 02:44:45,640
a man, so that undeveloped
offspring of celestial parentage

2656
02:44:45,640 --> 02:44:49,800
is capable by experience through
ages and aeons of evolving into

2657
02:44:49,800 --> 02:44:50,840
a God.
Close quote.

2658
02:44:54,240 --> 02:44:56,000
Yeah.
I mean, I guess the only thing

2659
02:44:56,000 --> 02:44:58,640
that I could point to is that it
uses the word evolve.

2660
02:45:01,200 --> 02:45:04,040
Other than that, I I don't see
anything there that would

2661
02:45:04,040 --> 02:45:10,280
indicate that early church
leaders were down with the with

2662
02:45:10,320 --> 02:45:14,360
evolution.
Yeah, the word evolving here,

2663
02:45:14,600 --> 02:45:18,160
you know, as if the word
evolving only has the meaning

2664
02:45:18,160 --> 02:45:21,800
of, you know.
Crossing species and becoming

2665
02:45:21,800 --> 02:45:23,560
something different.
Right, right.

2666
02:45:24,000 --> 02:45:27,560
And then ages and eons like, OK,
tell me exactly how long he

2667
02:45:27,560 --> 02:45:30,680
meant personally by using those
words, right.

2668
02:45:31,600 --> 02:45:35,240
And then, you know, and let's
say it does take us a while to

2669
02:45:35,240 --> 02:45:39,400
figure it out and and become
like our heavenly parents, OK,

2670
02:45:39,400 --> 02:45:42,360
but still.
OK, so up there he says

2671
02:45:42,440 --> 02:45:44,520
literally sons and daughters.
What does that mean to be a

2672
02:45:44,520 --> 02:45:47,560
literal son of someone that
means?

2673
02:45:47,680 --> 02:45:51,920
That your parentage is secure.
You know who your parents are.

2674
02:45:52,520 --> 02:45:55,680
Right, OK, formed in the divine
image.

2675
02:45:55,720 --> 02:46:01,760
OK, all right, so and then they
actually left out this part.

2676
02:46:02,360 --> 02:46:08,320
So later in that same Hebrew Jay
Grant statement, he goes on to

2677
02:46:08,320 --> 02:46:12,440
say the Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter Day Saints, OK, he

2678
02:46:12,440 --> 02:46:14,840
calls Adam our progenitor, the
1st man.

2679
02:46:15,480 --> 02:46:18,120
And then he says the Church of
Jesus Christ letter Saints

2680
02:46:18,320 --> 02:46:21,160
basing it's it's belief on
divine revelation, ancient and

2681
02:46:21,160 --> 02:46:24,760
modern proclaims man to be the
direct and lineal offspring of

2682
02:46:24,760 --> 02:46:26,480
deity.
OK.

2683
02:46:26,960 --> 02:46:29,760
So in other words, here he's
throwing out even more

2684
02:46:30,160 --> 02:46:36,240
genealogical terms, you know.
OK, I don't know how much plan

2685
02:46:36,240 --> 02:46:39,000
you can get, man.
And and they use all three of

2686
02:46:39,000 --> 02:46:42,280
those statements in their book.
They use the the 1st 2:00.

2687
02:46:42,760 --> 02:46:44,520
OK.
They use the 1st 2:00 and they

2688
02:46:44,520 --> 02:46:49,400
say that those first two
statements show that the church

2689
02:46:49,600 --> 02:46:53,800
did not have, or that early
presence of the church did not

2690
02:46:53,800 --> 02:46:56,880
have a stance on evolution
versus creationism.

2691
02:46:57,160 --> 02:47:00,000
Yes, they're saying these do not
confirm or deny.

2692
02:47:02,000 --> 02:47:05,560
MSNBC would be proud.
Who?

2693
02:47:05,680 --> 02:47:07,240
What?
MSNBC.

2694
02:47:07,640 --> 02:47:10,880
Oh, yeah, so, and then President
Packer, you know, he heard

2695
02:47:10,880 --> 02:47:13,840
people saying this kind of crap,
that there's no official church

2696
02:47:14,120 --> 02:47:18,680
statement.
They quote this little N sign

2697
02:47:18,680 --> 02:47:21,040
article.
OK, here it is.

2698
02:47:21,640 --> 02:47:25,880
So they quote this N sign
article that says the church has

2699
02:47:25,880 --> 02:47:29,360
no official church position on
the theory of evolution, organic

2700
02:47:29,360 --> 02:47:32,120
evolution, or changes to species
inherited traits over time as a

2701
02:47:32,120 --> 02:47:34,960
matter for scientific study.
Nothing has been revealed

2702
02:47:35,280 --> 02:47:38,720
concerning evolution, though the
details of what happened on

2703
02:47:38,720 --> 02:47:41,160
Earth before Adam and Eve,
including how their bodies were

2704
02:47:41,160 --> 02:47:43,880
created, have not been revealed.
Our teachings regarding man's

2705
02:47:43,880 --> 02:47:47,440
origin are clear and come from
Revelation. close quote that

2706
02:47:47,440 --> 02:47:49,760
statement.
First off, it contradicted

2707
02:47:49,760 --> 02:47:51,800
itself like six times.
Yes, it did.

2708
02:47:52,880 --> 02:47:56,720
And then and then who wrote
that?

2709
02:47:56,840 --> 02:48:00,000
Who wrote that?
OK, that article has no name

2710
02:48:00,000 --> 02:48:04,080
with it, so you get the badge of
honor and bravery for that one,

2711
02:48:04,080 --> 02:48:05,760
whoever you are.
OK.

2712
02:48:06,360 --> 02:48:09,240
The next one is is this in our
scriptures?

2713
02:48:11,440 --> 02:48:14,280
No.
Is this a First Presidency

2714
02:48:14,280 --> 02:48:16,560
statement?
No.

2715
02:48:17,200 --> 02:48:20,760
This is some nameless paragraph
in a New era magazine.

2716
02:48:21,160 --> 02:48:23,720
OK.
But to be fair, you can't blame

2717
02:48:23,720 --> 02:48:26,840
people for assuming it's
somewhat authoritative if it's

2718
02:48:26,840 --> 02:48:29,120
coming out the church sponsored
magazine, right?

2719
02:48:29,480 --> 02:48:33,840
True, it's true.
So at any rate, it's sad that

2720
02:48:34,320 --> 02:48:36,480
this is the kind of thinking
that's happening right now,

2721
02:48:36,880 --> 02:48:42,160
because you look at our history,
our doctrine has unequivocally

2722
02:48:42,160 --> 02:48:43,800
been against evolution, am I
right?

2723
02:48:44,200 --> 02:48:48,840
Oh, absolutely, from day one.
And President Packer would hear

2724
02:48:48,840 --> 02:48:51,240
people say there's no official
position.

2725
02:48:51,560 --> 02:48:54,760
The the brethren have never made
an official declaration.

2726
02:48:55,040 --> 02:48:57,880
And he'll say, no, there's no
official position.

2727
02:48:57,880 --> 02:49:00,080
Hogwash.
The First Presidency is said at

2728
02:49:00,080 --> 02:49:02,240
least twice.
And he's probably referring to

2729
02:49:02,240 --> 02:49:05,320
the two that we read.
They've said at least twice that

2730
02:49:05,320 --> 02:49:08,400
that we do stand against that
unequivocally.

2731
02:49:09,000 --> 02:49:11,880
So President Packer wasn't
buying it.

2732
02:49:11,920 --> 02:49:15,600
And you know what, it seems like
more and more things we're

2733
02:49:15,600 --> 02:49:17,400
saying, oh, there's no official
stance on that.

2734
02:49:17,400 --> 02:49:19,800
Oh, we don't know on that.
So, and it's just a sign of the

2735
02:49:19,800 --> 02:49:24,160
deteriorating, you know, like we
talked about earlier, we don't

2736
02:49:24,160 --> 02:49:28,200
know our stuff anymore.
And I talked to this, you know,

2737
02:49:28,400 --> 02:49:32,720
well, Alma Allred over at the
institute, I think he's retired

2738
02:49:32,720 --> 02:49:35,880
now, but a religion in
University of Utah, he would

2739
02:49:35,880 --> 02:49:39,160
have these debates with this
Protestant guy because there's

2740
02:49:39,160 --> 02:49:41,240
plenty of Protestants in Salt
Lake City who just loved

2741
02:49:41,240 --> 02:49:45,160
debating the Mormons.
And he says, you know, 50 years

2742
02:49:45,160 --> 02:49:50,240
ago, man, probably not 50K,
probably more like 20 or 30.

2743
02:49:50,960 --> 02:49:53,480
Like I could find Mormons on the
street and they'd debate me all

2744
02:49:53,480 --> 02:49:55,120
the time.
And they knew their doctrine,

2745
02:49:55,120 --> 02:49:56,320
man.
They knew that King Follett

2746
02:49:56,320 --> 02:49:58,880
sermon.
Like they knew, they knew about

2747
02:49:58,880 --> 02:50:01,440
premortality and the exaltation
to godhood.

2748
02:50:01,440 --> 02:50:03,240
Like there was no problem for
them.

2749
02:50:03,240 --> 02:50:05,000
They knew the doctrine and they
defended it.

2750
02:50:05,000 --> 02:50:08,520
Nowadays I can't even get young
Mormons to talk to me.

2751
02:50:09,640 --> 02:50:12,320
They won't even debate.
They just don't know their

2752
02:50:12,320 --> 02:50:13,920
doctrine.
I know their doctrine much

2753
02:50:13,920 --> 02:50:16,760
better than which, you know,
that's kind of Fair.

2754
02:50:16,760 --> 02:50:19,400
But anyway, we just don't know
anything anymore.

2755
02:50:20,320 --> 02:50:24,040
Like I said, I mentioned we have
gospel therapy class, not gospel

2756
02:50:24,040 --> 02:50:26,440
doctrine class anymore.
OK, that was a joke.

2757
02:50:26,440 --> 02:50:29,560
We don't, it's not officially
changed to gospel therapy.

2758
02:50:30,080 --> 02:50:33,320
But really it's like you show up
and all you talk about is, is

2759
02:50:33,440 --> 02:50:36,200
getting comforted and and
getting forgiven and finding

2760
02:50:36,200 --> 02:50:38,520
peace.
It's like, OK, man, thank you.

2761
02:50:38,520 --> 02:50:42,480
Now can we figure out what the
scriptures are saying beyond

2762
02:50:42,480 --> 02:50:44,600
this?
Anyway, it's just right.

2763
02:50:45,240 --> 02:50:51,120
Absolutely.
OK, yeah, we talked about that.

2764
02:50:51,120 --> 02:50:53,440
The varying views of church
leaders is not a thing.

2765
02:50:53,440 --> 02:50:56,680
OK.
From Joseph Smith down on to

2766
02:50:56,680 --> 02:50:59,280
Nelson, none of them have
promoted evolution.

2767
02:50:59,280 --> 02:51:01,120
Like I said, McKay was a little
soft.

2768
02:51:02,000 --> 02:51:04,520
He implied that some people
might not know for sure.

2769
02:51:04,760 --> 02:51:08,280
I think one quote I read from
McKay, he called the idea

2770
02:51:08,280 --> 02:51:12,640
beautiful anyway, so that that
is a little washy, but the the

2771
02:51:12,640 --> 02:51:15,680
consistency is still here, OK.
It's still intact.

2772
02:51:16,200 --> 02:51:20,440
And to claim, you know, that
they do, that there's all these

2773
02:51:20,440 --> 02:51:25,040
varying, you know, varying views
over time of church leaders,

2774
02:51:25,040 --> 02:51:28,360
that's not how it is.
And we even had a recent general

2775
02:51:28,360 --> 02:51:31,120
conference, like within the last
year, where they were talking

2776
02:51:31,120 --> 02:51:35,720
against evolution.
So anyway, OK, we talked about

2777
02:51:35,720 --> 02:51:37,080
that.
I think we're wrapping up,

2778
02:51:37,600 --> 02:51:42,160
thankfully.
OK Nelson talks about death

2779
02:51:42,160 --> 02:51:43,800
coming to the world from the
fall.

2780
02:51:44,040 --> 02:51:46,840
We had it in, you know, this
paradise planet before that

2781
02:51:47,360 --> 02:51:49,040
paradise planet.
OK.

2782
02:51:49,320 --> 02:51:52,120
Does that mean everyone's going
around killing each other to

2783
02:51:52,120 --> 02:51:54,720
survival of the fittest?
That's not paradise planet.

2784
02:51:55,960 --> 02:52:03,040
OK, All right.
They say science cannot offer

2785
02:52:03,040 --> 02:52:05,520
evidence for or against the
existence of God.

2786
02:52:08,840 --> 02:52:12,880
This is just one of like two
dozen weird statements they make

2787
02:52:13,480 --> 02:52:16,960
about science and religion, how
they try to divorce in every way

2788
02:52:16,960 --> 02:52:22,000
possible.
Science and religion, they try

2789
02:52:22,000 --> 02:52:26,000
to divorce them in every way.
So they can say, well, I can do

2790
02:52:26,000 --> 02:52:28,640
whatever I want with science and
and still hold the temple

2791
02:52:28,640 --> 02:52:29,600
recommender.
I can.

2792
02:52:29,880 --> 02:52:32,640
And yeah, you pretty much can.
Like, we don't care these days

2793
02:52:32,640 --> 02:52:35,480
in the church.
You know what you think about

2794
02:52:35,480 --> 02:52:37,280
evolution, right?
Like, there's bigger fish to

2795
02:52:37,280 --> 02:52:39,120
fry.
But at the end of the day, man,

2796
02:52:39,120 --> 02:52:41,400
this matters.
It really does.

2797
02:52:41,680 --> 02:52:45,000
You know, people are getting
killed all all over from these

2798
02:52:45,000 --> 02:52:46,400
leaders.
You know, you got all these

2799
02:52:46,600 --> 02:52:49,720
people who go shoot up the
schools and they're all talking

2800
02:52:49,840 --> 02:52:53,440
evolution, right?
You know, take out the weak

2801
02:52:53,440 --> 02:52:56,120
ones.
And it's influencing all of our

2802
02:52:56,120 --> 02:52:57,960
branches of science.
It's influencing all of our

2803
02:52:57,960 --> 02:53:00,200
social science to this day and
negative ways.

2804
02:53:00,720 --> 02:53:02,440
And it's just falls from start
to finish.

2805
02:53:02,440 --> 02:53:05,800
And it's really frustrating and
to make this kind of claim that,

2806
02:53:06,040 --> 02:53:08,720
you know, science can't offer
evidence for organ and see

2807
02:53:08,720 --> 02:53:13,160
existence of God.
I'm sorry man, when you the

2808
02:53:13,160 --> 02:53:16,200
Doctrine Covenant says he's
going to call the missionaries

2809
02:53:16,200 --> 02:53:21,360
home and he's going to preach
his own sermons by earthquakes

2810
02:53:22,040 --> 02:53:24,080
and so forth.
So guess what?

2811
02:53:24,080 --> 02:53:27,360
Apparently that nature is going
to be some pretty stirring

2812
02:53:27,360 --> 02:53:30,960
evidence for God.
OK, and let me tell you, when we

2813
02:53:30,960 --> 02:53:35,440
find 200 plus ways that you can
prove the flood of Noah covered

2814
02:53:35,440 --> 02:53:40,160
the earth, gosh, that's science.
That's giving evidence for God.

2815
02:53:40,160 --> 02:53:42,400
I'm sorry, it is giving evidence
for God.

2816
02:53:42,840 --> 02:53:46,360
Absolutely.
Such a heinous idea, this total

2817
02:53:46,360 --> 02:53:49,720
divorce of all science from all
things.

2818
02:53:50,000 --> 02:53:52,200
Cause what is religion?
I mean, religion is history man.

2819
02:53:52,200 --> 02:53:54,600
In other words, it's saying you
can't use any science to

2820
02:53:54,720 --> 02:53:57,640
demonstrate any history.
You may as well say that.

2821
02:53:57,960 --> 02:54:00,200
Right.
Yeah, No, it's a great point,

2822
02:54:00,200 --> 02:54:02,200
Nate.
So this is just some

2823
02:54:02,200 --> 02:54:09,160
philosophical hogwash.
OK, let's skip this.

2824
02:54:09,160 --> 02:54:11,720
Let's skip this, Bookmorn says
over and over.

2825
02:54:12,000 --> 02:54:13,480
Don't get those false teachers,
man.

2826
02:54:13,480 --> 02:54:15,360
Don't get those false teachers.
They're puffed up in their

2827
02:54:15,360 --> 02:54:18,560
pride.
The Saints are error in error

2828
02:54:18,560 --> 02:54:21,360
because they're taught by the
precepts of men preaching false

2829
02:54:21,360 --> 02:54:23,040
doctrines.
Watch out.

2830
02:54:23,640 --> 02:54:25,520
OK?
This is something that I share

2831
02:54:25,920 --> 02:54:29,000
whenever I can present, present,
Packer said.

2832
02:54:30,040 --> 02:54:32,720
All of the mocking does not come
from outside of the church.

2833
02:54:33,760 --> 02:54:40,640
OK, Packer is is clear here that
there is going to be people in

2834
02:54:40,640 --> 02:54:46,920
the church who mock you when you
stand up for the truth, right.

2835
02:54:47,920 --> 02:54:50,680
So I think everybody knows that
by now.

2836
02:54:50,680 --> 02:54:53,000
But just to be clear, like
that's a thing.

2837
02:54:53,760 --> 02:54:56,320
So just cause sitting on the
shelf at desert book doesn't

2838
02:54:56,320 --> 02:55:00,200
mean it's you know it goes in
the same case as your Bible

2839
02:55:00,200 --> 02:55:03,160
like.
Right, right, right.

2840
02:55:03,560 --> 02:55:05,680
It's not.
It's not the additional

2841
02:55:05,680 --> 02:55:07,480
scripture Joseph was talking
about.

2842
02:55:07,800 --> 02:55:13,800
No, it's, yeah.
There's this funny meme and it

2843
02:55:13,800 --> 02:55:19,040
said if you know these two
books, these, it says if those

2844
02:55:19,040 --> 02:55:21,600
two books ever, if you ever let
those two books touch each

2845
02:55:21,600 --> 02:55:29,560
other, I'll kill you.
Right, that's that's got to be

2846
02:55:29,560 --> 02:55:33,000
on a cute like Relief Society
sign on Nate in Nate's house,

2847
02:55:33,000 --> 02:55:35,600
right.
You ever let the scriptures and

2848
02:55:35,600 --> 02:55:37,240
this abomination of a book
touch?

2849
02:55:37,240 --> 02:55:38,720
I'll kill you.
I like it.

2850
02:55:38,880 --> 02:55:42,320
Yeah.
Yeah, OK.

2851
02:55:42,320 --> 02:55:46,160
Satan is a skillful imitator.
OK, Joseph, again, the book

2852
02:55:46,560 --> 02:55:48,040
Satan's deceived the whole
world.

2853
02:55:48,040 --> 02:55:50,680
OK, give up.
Like, like you're saying, Dave

2854
02:55:50,680 --> 02:55:53,920
earlier, stop trying to fit in.
Give up on the idea that Satan

2855
02:55:53,920 --> 02:55:56,960
is not good at his game.
Satan is good at his game, man.

2856
02:55:57,320 --> 02:55:59,480
He's got all the state
officials, he's got all the

2857
02:55:59,480 --> 02:56:01,040
academic journals.
He's got it all.

2858
02:56:01,080 --> 02:56:02,800
He's bought the whole world.
He's bought and paid for

2859
02:56:02,800 --> 02:56:06,360
everything.
You know, he can sell you a real

2860
02:56:06,360 --> 02:56:10,480
interesting deception that when
you're in your ignoramus mind,

2861
02:56:10,680 --> 02:56:13,000
you're going to say, gosh, I
guess evolution's just got to be

2862
02:56:13,000 --> 02:56:14,600
true.
Look at the evidence.

2863
02:56:15,080 --> 02:56:18,760
It's like, no, there is the
possibility that you can be

2864
02:56:18,760 --> 02:56:20,760
deceived.
And that's The thing is

2865
02:56:20,760 --> 02:56:24,200
throughout their book they say
don't be dogmatic.

2866
02:56:24,480 --> 02:56:28,080
It's like, guess what, The only
possibility that you've ever

2867
02:56:28,080 --> 02:56:32,040
entertained in your book is that
evolution is the rock solid

2868
02:56:32,040 --> 02:56:34,920
gospel.
Right, they just say don't be

2869
02:56:34,920 --> 02:56:41,280
dogmatic in the other direction.
Right, right, OK, let's skip

2870
02:56:41,280 --> 02:56:45,640
that and stuff.
Common thing that happens is

2871
02:56:45,640 --> 02:56:49,840
they they'll find this plain
scripture like second ephi 222,

2872
02:56:50,240 --> 02:56:53,480
you know, no death before the
fall and and the scripture about

2873
02:56:53,480 --> 02:56:55,520
all things are must have
remained in this way.

2874
02:56:55,520 --> 02:56:57,600
They were in the manner they
were created without the fall.

2875
02:56:58,000 --> 02:57:01,200
Well, it doesn't really mean
that you see this and this and

2876
02:57:01,280 --> 02:57:03,640
this.
It's like OK.

2877
02:57:03,960 --> 02:57:08,520
It's the same people that that
use the the use the term living

2878
02:57:08,520 --> 02:57:11,920
constitution to make it mean
something it doesn't.

2879
02:57:12,680 --> 02:57:15,360
It's like who is The Who is the
gospel for, right?

2880
02:57:15,360 --> 02:57:17,960
And who's the Bookmorn for?
It's like it's not just for

2881
02:57:17,960 --> 02:57:23,880
PhDs, right?
And the script, they say in the

2882
02:57:23,880 --> 02:57:26,560
doctor currents and Bookmorn
says if you rest the scriptures

2883
02:57:26,560 --> 02:57:30,000
and if you change them to fit
your agenda, it's to your own

2884
02:57:30,000 --> 02:57:32,360
destruction.
So there's some very clear

2885
02:57:32,440 --> 02:57:34,520
warnings that these scriptures
are plain.

2886
02:57:34,520 --> 02:57:37,040
The restoration is all about
giving us the plain and precious

2887
02:57:37,040 --> 02:57:39,640
stuff.
And let me tell you, to make the

2888
02:57:39,640 --> 02:57:43,200
scriptures fit with evolution.
That is anything but plain and

2889
02:57:43,200 --> 02:57:47,640
precious.
OK, Second Nephi chapter one,

2890
02:57:47,640 --> 02:57:50,720
verse 10.
They there will come a time when

2891
02:57:50,720 --> 02:57:53,200
the time cometh.
So it will come when the time

2892
02:57:53,200 --> 02:57:55,240
cometh.
They shall dwindle in unbelief

2893
02:57:55,800 --> 02:57:57,760
after they received so many
great blessings from the hand of

2894
02:57:57,760 --> 02:57:58,640
the Lord.
Having a knowledge of the

2895
02:57:58,640 --> 02:58:01,760
creation, OK.
In other words, the knowledge of

2896
02:58:01,760 --> 02:58:04,680
the creation is something they
will lose.

2897
02:58:05,280 --> 02:58:07,280
We've lost it, man.
Right.

2898
02:58:07,920 --> 02:58:12,000
OK, So it's right in there.
Second, Nephi won 10.

2899
02:58:12,440 --> 02:58:14,800
It's prophesied that we will
reject the knowledge of the

2900
02:58:14,800 --> 02:58:19,000
creation.
OK, anyway.

2901
02:58:19,440 --> 02:58:26,080
How about that for prophetic?
Yeah, OK, man.

2902
02:58:26,160 --> 02:58:28,400
They, they, they keep going and
going, man.

2903
02:58:28,400 --> 02:58:32,040
And I keep rebutting and
rebutting and it's kind of

2904
02:58:32,040 --> 02:58:36,480
nauseating.
So anyway, I think we're, let me

2905
02:58:36,520 --> 02:58:38,520
just see here.
I think we're pretty much done.

2906
02:58:39,080 --> 02:58:45,000
OK.
All right, Nate, I'm going to

2907
02:58:45,000 --> 02:58:47,480
let you kind of wrap up with
what you got to say.

2908
02:58:47,480 --> 02:58:49,720
And then I have a couple things
I want to say on this.

2909
02:58:49,720 --> 02:58:53,320
But I want to make it clear that
what I'll say at the end are my

2910
02:58:53,320 --> 02:58:57,000
views, not yours on this,
because I'm going to say some

2911
02:58:57,000 --> 02:58:59,120
pretty, pretty pointed stuff
here.

2912
02:58:59,600 --> 02:59:03,200
So you go ahead and and kind of
give me your synopsis here of

2913
02:59:03,200 --> 02:59:05,120
this.
All right.

2914
02:59:05,120 --> 02:59:08,560
My synopsis is First off, you
need to know that they are

2915
02:59:08,560 --> 02:59:13,640
pushing this at BYU and it's not
just let's make you aware of the

2916
02:59:13,640 --> 02:59:16,800
theories of men.
It's you need to accept this

2917
02:59:16,800 --> 02:59:20,520
theory of men and and you need
to put it above, you need to

2918
02:59:20,520 --> 02:59:24,720
reorient your entire religious
philosophy to make sure that

2919
02:59:24,720 --> 02:59:26,880
evolution is at the heart of
that.

2920
02:59:27,680 --> 02:59:31,080
OK.
And then obviously we talked a

2921
02:59:31,080 --> 02:59:34,280
lot of examples of how evolution
science is not all it's cracked

2922
02:59:34,280 --> 02:59:38,720
up to be, OK?
So don't sell out on this topic.

2923
02:59:39,080 --> 02:59:43,200
Don't, don't ditch your faith in
the name of evolution 'cause

2924
02:59:43,200 --> 02:59:46,280
it's not worth it.
Evolution is a dying theory.

2925
02:59:47,160 --> 02:59:51,120
And you know, the authors of
this book, they're trying to get

2926
02:59:51,120 --> 02:59:54,400
people, they, they say they're
trying to like save testimonies,

2927
02:59:54,400 --> 02:59:57,640
right?
But the point is there's,

2928
02:59:58,280 --> 03:00:00,680
they're doing it the wrong way.
You can.

2929
03:00:00,720 --> 03:00:03,080
The ultimate way to save
testimonies is truth.

2930
03:00:04,000 --> 03:00:06,600
OK.
So let's not just put a Band-Aid

2931
03:00:06,600 --> 03:00:09,800
on the problem that 10 years
later when evolution shows up,

2932
03:00:09,800 --> 03:00:12,600
that it's all been a hoax and
the Babylon falls.

2933
03:00:12,960 --> 03:00:15,280
Oh, crap.
Like, why was, why was the

2934
03:00:15,280 --> 03:00:17,000
church telling me that evolution
is true?

2935
03:00:17,000 --> 03:00:19,760
Like, and, and to be clear, the
church is not telling you that

2936
03:00:19,760 --> 03:00:23,160
evolution is true.
It's it's the, the intellectuals

2937
03:00:23,160 --> 03:00:27,320
within the church that think
they own the thing that are, you

2938
03:00:27,320 --> 03:00:30,160
know, doing this.
So anyway that you're going to

2939
03:00:30,160 --> 03:00:34,200
do the most good by teaching the
truth and scripture.

2940
03:00:34,720 --> 03:00:38,640
In other words, religion and
science combined to reject

2941
03:00:38,640 --> 03:00:46,320
evolution, right?
OK, I brought this up before

2942
03:00:46,320 --> 03:00:51,120
when I did a podcast on the
doctrine of Christ movement and

2943
03:00:51,120 --> 03:00:58,160
Michelle Brady Stone and some of
their assertations that Brigham

2944
03:00:58,160 --> 03:01:03,200
Young was responsible solely for
plural marriage and that Brigham

2945
03:01:03,200 --> 03:01:06,560
Young and John Taylor conspired
to have Joseph Smith killed.

2946
03:01:08,080 --> 03:01:12,760
What they don't look at and they
never look at this, are what are

2947
03:01:12,760 --> 03:01:17,520
the downstream consequences of
believing that and throwing out

2948
03:01:17,520 --> 03:01:19,920
132?
Well, the downstream

2949
03:01:19,920 --> 03:01:23,440
consequences are this.
Temple rights go out the window,

2950
03:01:23,880 --> 03:01:29,440
ceilings go out the window.
You then have a defunct

2951
03:01:29,440 --> 03:01:34,880
leadership of the church, which
then creates issues when you

2952
03:01:34,880 --> 03:01:37,360
start again talking about
authority and those sorts of

2953
03:01:37,360 --> 03:01:39,480
things.
Those are the unintended

2954
03:01:39,480 --> 03:01:42,800
consequences, or maybe intended.
I don't know what their motive

2955
03:01:42,800 --> 03:01:45,000
is.
They're detonating the whole

2956
03:01:45,000 --> 03:01:46,040
restoration either.
Way.

2957
03:01:46,080 --> 03:01:47,360
Yeah, absolutely.
Yep.

2958
03:01:48,560 --> 03:01:53,520
So I want to take a look at what
the downstream intended or

2959
03:01:53,520 --> 03:01:58,640
unintended consequences are here
of embracing this idea that man

2960
03:01:58,640 --> 03:02:04,320
is simply a noble animal, that
he is a product of chance

2961
03:02:04,880 --> 03:02:06,880
things.
And and I know that this book

2962
03:02:06,880 --> 03:02:09,800
pushes for kind of an
intelligent design, kind of

2963
03:02:10,280 --> 03:02:15,200
quasi evolutionary abomination
of marriage between science and

2964
03:02:15,200 --> 03:02:18,400
religion, but here are the
downstream consequences.

2965
03:02:19,120 --> 03:02:22,680
And that's this what one
generation tolerates, the next

2966
03:02:22,680 --> 03:02:27,160
generation accepts and embraces.
It's just the way it is.

2967
03:02:28,040 --> 03:02:32,960
So if we are now indoctrinating
a generation of kids to see how

2968
03:02:32,960 --> 03:02:37,800
evolution can work within a
religious framework, especially

2969
03:02:37,800 --> 03:02:43,640
a restorationalist framework, is
that in a generation or two,

2970
03:02:43,960 --> 03:02:46,680
you'll have a ton of Mormons who
just give up their testimonies

2971
03:02:46,680 --> 03:02:51,600
entirely because that's what
happens.

2972
03:02:51,600 --> 03:02:54,120
They embrace it fully.
There's nothing left.

2973
03:02:54,520 --> 03:02:56,800
Right, There's nothing left.
You take out the foundation,

2974
03:02:56,800 --> 03:02:58,000
you're done.
Right.

2975
03:02:58,000 --> 03:03:02,680
Any any, you know, structural
engineer, I tell you, if your

2976
03:03:02,680 --> 03:03:05,000
foundation is bad, you got
nothing else.

2977
03:03:05,160 --> 03:03:07,600
It's all coming down.
Got it.

2978
03:03:08,360 --> 03:03:10,440
Here's the other unintended
consequence.

2979
03:03:12,280 --> 03:03:19,280
When you detach yourself from a
God who is personal, a God who

2980
03:03:19,960 --> 03:03:26,120
is all knowing, omniscient, all
those things, you now have

2981
03:03:26,120 --> 03:03:30,200
carblanc to throw away the
morals and the values that are

2982
03:03:30,200 --> 03:03:35,440
associated with that God.
And if man is nothing more than

2983
03:03:35,440 --> 03:03:40,120
an animal, then all sorts of
things can be justified, right?

2984
03:03:40,680 --> 03:03:43,560
I've had atheists tell me if you
cheat on your wife, it's not a

2985
03:03:43,560 --> 03:03:45,480
big deal.
Not a big deal.

2986
03:03:45,480 --> 03:03:47,680
Don't worry about it, right?
Just do better next time.

2987
03:03:48,960 --> 03:03:52,920
Morality will go out the window
if you espouse the idea that man

2988
03:03:52,920 --> 03:03:56,880
is nothing more than an evolved
animal, bar none.

2989
03:04:00,600 --> 03:04:03,640
So those are some of the
downstream consequences I see of

2990
03:04:03,640 --> 03:04:07,120
embracing this.
Now, here's where I want to make

2991
03:04:07,120 --> 03:04:11,440
really clear these are my
opinions now and not Nate's.

2992
03:04:15,480 --> 03:04:19,360
I would rally behind the church,
never rejoin, but I would rally

2993
03:04:19,360 --> 03:04:23,760
behind them if they took a stand
on this.

2994
03:04:24,520 --> 03:04:26,520
Now, I don't know what the
dynamics are.

2995
03:04:26,520 --> 03:04:30,400
I don't know how an abomination
of an article like the one that

2996
03:04:30,400 --> 03:04:34,400
you showed me makes its way into
the new era, right?

2997
03:04:34,400 --> 03:04:40,480
Something designed for the youth
who's falling asleep on the

2998
03:04:40,480 --> 03:04:42,720
watchtower.
And I know those are pointed

2999
03:04:42,720 --> 03:04:44,840
words, but those are words that
have to be asked.

3000
03:04:45,360 --> 03:04:52,160
How does BYU that's named for a
guy who said no evolution is

3001
03:04:52,160 --> 03:04:54,800
absolutely horrible.
And here's what really happened.

3002
03:04:54,800 --> 03:04:57,600
Adam was placed here from
another planet.

3003
03:05:00,840 --> 03:05:02,640
How in the hell does that get
through?

3004
03:05:03,160 --> 03:05:05,920
Now people can say, well, the
church is big now, right?

3005
03:05:05,920 --> 03:05:09,320
I mean, there's, there's multi
arms of it and there's, there's

3006
03:05:09,480 --> 03:05:11,640
corporations to it and those
sorts of things.

3007
03:05:12,360 --> 03:05:18,320
But last time I checked, BYU was
still funded by and large with a

3008
03:05:18,320 --> 03:05:22,360
lot of money out of Salt Lake.
Lots of tithing, lots of

3009
03:05:22,360 --> 03:05:24,000
tithing.
And that's got to go through

3010
03:05:24,000 --> 03:05:29,280
Salt Lake.
And I applaud Elder Holland's

3011
03:05:29,280 --> 03:05:33,240
talk where he talked about more
musket fire on there.

3012
03:05:33,240 --> 03:05:35,920
I thought that was a heck of a
talk and I thought that was one

3013
03:05:35,920 --> 03:05:39,440
that was needed.
But I'm going to be blunt here,

3014
03:05:39,440 --> 03:05:41,800
it's not enough.
OK.

3015
03:05:42,440 --> 03:05:44,480
You need to do what Joseph F
Smith did.

3016
03:05:44,840 --> 03:05:49,440
If you're serious about this, if
you're serious about the

3017
03:05:49,440 --> 03:05:53,920
testimonies of your youth, you
have to start firing people's

3018
03:05:53,920 --> 03:05:55,720
butts.
That's all there is to it.

3019
03:05:56,360 --> 03:05:59,560
Just say, you know what?
We ain't going to be able to hug

3020
03:05:59,560 --> 03:06:01,720
it out here.
Good luck to you.

3021
03:06:02,160 --> 03:06:04,960
On to somewhere else for you,
but we're going to do something

3022
03:06:04,960 --> 03:06:07,600
different.
It's like the Trump, the Trump

3023
03:06:07,600 --> 03:06:10,200
Biden debate Trump's like, how
many people did you fire Biden?

3024
03:06:10,600 --> 03:06:12,680
Right, right.
At some point, you're going to

3025
03:06:12,680 --> 03:06:17,280
have to take a hard stance.
And maybe that's going to affect

3026
03:06:17,280 --> 03:06:20,880
certain things that we hold
dear, like accreditation, like

3027
03:06:21,520 --> 03:06:25,520
participation in N AA, N AA
sports, right?

3028
03:06:25,520 --> 03:06:32,480
NCAA sports, Excuse me, but
where, where is your morality on

3029
03:06:32,480 --> 03:06:35,280
this?
Is this something that and, and

3030
03:06:35,280 --> 03:06:39,160
this will remain to be seen?
Is this something that you're

3031
03:06:39,160 --> 03:06:41,160
willing to tolerate until it's
accepted?

3032
03:06:41,680 --> 03:06:44,720
As of right now, the answer
looks like yes, but the jury's

3033
03:06:44,720 --> 03:06:50,480
still out.
I know from people that this

3034
03:06:50,480 --> 03:06:54,200
does get listened to by folks
inside the church with some

3035
03:06:54,200 --> 03:06:56,320
authority and that's where I'll
leave that.

3036
03:06:58,080 --> 03:07:01,800
My challenge would be to find
your spine and put this crap

3037
03:07:01,800 --> 03:07:06,400
correct because all this crap is
getting pumped out of your

3038
03:07:06,400 --> 03:07:12,720
university funded by members tax
dollars tithing money.

3039
03:07:13,440 --> 03:07:19,280
Maybe it's time that a couple
big donors just stop donating.

3040
03:07:21,080 --> 03:07:25,720
The other thing I would say is
that this is a job also for the

3041
03:07:25,720 --> 03:07:27,800
run-of-the-mill member in the
church.

3042
03:07:28,560 --> 03:07:33,920
For too long, ground has been
ceded to the vocal minority to

3043
03:07:33,920 --> 03:07:35,920
get all sorts of leftist things
through.

3044
03:07:36,800 --> 03:07:40,480
Well, maybe it's time that the
more conservative arm starts

3045
03:07:40,480 --> 03:07:44,520
being just as vocal.
There's a a common misconception

3046
03:07:44,520 --> 03:07:46,520
out there, and I want to get
this out of the way again, that

3047
03:07:46,520 --> 03:07:48,640
I want to see the LDS church
fail.

3048
03:07:49,640 --> 03:07:51,280
Nothing could be farther from
the truth.

3049
03:07:52,120 --> 03:07:56,680
I think the world is better
place for having the church in

3050
03:07:56,680 --> 03:08:01,880
it.
But you can't have it both ways

3051
03:08:02,200 --> 03:08:05,160
on this.
There is no middle ground to be

3052
03:08:05,160 --> 03:08:07,440
had.
It's either one or the other.

3053
03:08:07,440 --> 03:08:10,560
There is no happy medium because
one will win.

3054
03:08:11,120 --> 03:08:13,240
Christ said it.
You can't serve 2 masters.

3055
03:08:14,240 --> 03:08:18,040
You're either going to espouse
what the scripture says, what

3056
03:08:18,040 --> 03:08:21,240
historical prophets have said
throughout time, even some

3057
03:08:21,240 --> 03:08:23,920
modern presidents of the church
have said throughout time.

3058
03:08:24,520 --> 03:08:27,320
But you got to do it, and you
got to find your backbone.

3059
03:08:27,320 --> 03:08:30,400
If you're in the leadership in
the LDS Church, you've got to

3060
03:08:30,400 --> 03:08:34,280
bring the hammer down and you've
got to put this correct, or else

3061
03:08:34,280 --> 03:08:38,840
you stand to lose an entire
generation out of BYUI.

3062
03:08:38,840 --> 03:08:41,040
Think you probably already lost
one generation.

3063
03:08:41,320 --> 03:08:44,520
The question now becomes is can
you correct this boat?

3064
03:08:44,520 --> 03:08:47,920
And you can, but you're going to
have to do some unpopular things

3065
03:08:48,160 --> 03:08:50,200
that are principled in order to
get it done.

3066
03:08:50,960 --> 03:08:55,080
But make no doubt that
evolution, quite frankly, is a

3067
03:08:55,080 --> 03:09:00,160
doctrine from hell that will
lead people to places of

3068
03:09:00,160 --> 03:09:04,960
depravity given the opportunity.
The doctrine of creation is one

3069
03:09:04,960 --> 03:09:07,760
of nobility.
It is one in which there is a

3070
03:09:07,760 --> 03:09:10,960
divine spark of God placed in
each and every one of his

3071
03:09:10,960 --> 03:09:13,760
children, both physically and
spiritually.

3072
03:09:15,320 --> 03:09:20,720
Evolution is a doctrine of
accepting the natural man as he

3073
03:09:20,720 --> 03:09:24,760
is because darn it, that's just
the way nature intended it.

3074
03:09:25,440 --> 03:09:29,080
And you can't have both of those
that exist simultaneously in the

3075
03:09:29,080 --> 03:09:32,160
same space.
One will win out over the other.

3076
03:09:32,600 --> 03:09:34,400
What's going to happen in the
church with it?

3077
03:09:34,400 --> 03:09:36,920
I can't say.
My hope is, is that somebody

3078
03:09:37,440 --> 03:09:47,440
puts this correct and that BYU
can can find itself again on on

3079
03:09:47,440 --> 03:09:52,120
a good footing within the
gospel, doing good science that

3080
03:09:52,120 --> 03:09:55,920
not only is in pursuit of
science, but also that seeks to

3081
03:09:55,920 --> 03:09:58,480
understand how God does his
work.

3082
03:09:58,960 --> 03:10:01,480
And that that those are my
statements on this.

3083
03:10:02,400 --> 03:10:04,640
Again, those aren't Nate's,
those are mine.

3084
03:10:04,640 --> 03:10:07,160
I've leveled some heavy
criticism here, but I think it's

3085
03:10:07,160 --> 03:10:11,480
well founded and I quite frankly
think it's beyond time that that

3086
03:10:11,480 --> 03:10:14,240
leadership takes care of this
because there's not enough

3087
03:10:14,240 --> 03:10:17,280
musket fire coming out of BYU
right now.

3088
03:10:17,560 --> 03:10:19,080
So that's all I got.
Dude.

3089
03:10:19,240 --> 03:10:22,600
It was good stuff.
Thanks so much, this was really

3090
03:10:22,600 --> 03:10:26,480
fun and I'm honored to be able
to share these important

3091
03:10:26,480 --> 03:10:28,880
messages.
Dude, I love to have you on and,

3092
03:10:28,880 --> 03:10:31,480
and let's keep doing it as you
come up with new stuff because I

3093
03:10:31,480 --> 03:10:33,800
have a feeling that this won't
be the last time that something

3094
03:10:33,800 --> 03:10:36,120
like this rears its head.
Cool.

3095
03:10:36,680 --> 03:10:39,360
Awesome.
All right, Nate, hang out for

3096
03:10:39,360 --> 03:10:41,720
just a minute.
And everyone else, we'll see you

3097
03:10:41,720 --> 03:10:44,040
next time.
Bye everybody.

3098
03:11:15,240 --> 03:11:18,040
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