Episode #135: Making Sense Of Current World Conflicts W/David Pyne

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So do you ever feel overwhelmed
with just trying to keep up with

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everything that's going on in
the world right now?

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I know I do.
I mean, there's only like 2

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active wars, China threatening
Taiwan and the most contentious

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presidential election in our
history coming up.

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Now, I've been looking around
for someone who can give me some

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perspective on this.
And I was put in contact with a

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gentleman named David Pine.
Now, David's resume is

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impressive.
Here are some of the highlights.

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He has served in the US Army,
studied national security at

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Georgetown, political science at
BYU, was a former state Senate

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candidate, was national security
policy director for Senator Mike

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Lee, and finally defense and
foreign policy advisor for

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former presidential candidate
Vivek Ramaswamy.

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So you may not always agree with
some of his takes and what he

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has to say, but I believe his
analysis deserves at least some

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consideration.
We cover everything from the

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roots of the conflict in Russia
and Ukraine to China's desire to

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control Taiwan.
And finally, we wrap up with

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what you and your family can do
to prepare for some of these

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times coming up.
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David, thanks for being here.

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Yeah, it's a pleasure be on the
show.

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Thanks for inviting me.
Perfect.

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So real quick, David, what, what
is your background exactly?

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So I'm a former U.S.
Army officer, also an attorney

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and I did some time on the US
Army headquarters staff about 20

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years ago in DCI was stationed
here in the Pentagon, 2 miles

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from the Pentagon and in Roslyn
when September 11th happened.

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So that caused, I mean, it's
pretty crazy, crazy time to to

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be in, you know, in the area 2
miles from the strike.

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And our headquarters office got
burnt out or general, you know,

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our Major General escaped, but
he, all his stuff got, was lost.

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And I was, you know, I was in,
in charge of R&D Armis

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cooperation with, you know, most
of the regions of the world.

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But it's, it was the regions of
the world that we didn't do a

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lot with former Soviet Union,
Middle East, Americas, Africa,

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not, not Western Europe, Western
Europe, we had way more stuff

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going on.
But I, I had Eastern Europe as

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well.
And, you know, so I, I obviously

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classified access at that point
and I while I was serving that

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capacity and it was out of
uniform, by the way, I'd, I'd

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already left the service, I had
some, a major beef with Bush's

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plan to invade Iraq.
And so I published 11:50

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articles against his war plan.
And he had one of his political

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appointees try to prosecute me
and, and imprison me.

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And I was able to escape that,
but because I wasn't, I wasn't

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in the Army, you know who's it
was, the charge was like

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disgracing the army because I
dared disagree on matters of

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national security with the
president's war plan.

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And we hadn't even invaded Iraq
up to that point.

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But I was, I was essentially
dismissed 5 days before we

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invaded.
And I, I mean, I've never looked

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back.
I've, I've always wanted to

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choose peace over war, you know,
I mean, having studied war my

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whole life, since I was 11,
really so over 4 decades.

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And, and that's why I decided to
set up my this website also to

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serve as executive vice
president of the Task Force of

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National Homeland Security.
I've run for state Senate and

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lower offices.
I, I would have won, won my

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state Senate race, but I decided
to drop out and move to Utah.

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It's New Mexico at the time, but
yeah, I'm I'm always trying to

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make a difference.
I've written a lot.

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I was a co-author of a a book
recently and working on being a

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co-author of another book with
our president and CEO in the

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task force of National Homeland
Security.

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But yeah, just trying to make a
difference for for good.

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Man, you are like way ahead of
the curve as far as

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conservatives, right, Which I
consider myself a conservative,

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but standing up in those days
and saying, you know, maybe we

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shouldn't do this with the whole
invading Iraq thing that

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couldn't that shows a lot of
intestinal fortitude, brother,

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because in those days it was it
was a different world than than

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than today, right?
Yeah, it was a it was very much

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a minority opinion.
I mean, the political

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scientists, the people that
actually were educated on

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foreign policy were pretty
opposed to it.

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Like a majority.
There were like 12, I counted

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12/3 former three and four-star
generals that opposed the war.

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Maybe it was 88 to 12:00.
But I mean all the politicians

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and there were like 6
Republicans that voted against

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the authorization of the use of
force in Iraq.

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It was an unprovoked attack on
a, a country that created a

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genocide that killed or
ethically cleansed Amelia

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Christians.
And yeah, I mean, I, I, I'm, I'm

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so focused on just war theory.
You know, that's what I got

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trained on as a army cadet at
BYUROTC back in the late 80s was

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it was all about, you know,
morality and war.

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You know, I, I'm so sick of
people hearing that, you know,

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claiming that there, you know,
there's no morality in war.

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You can kill whoever you want,
bomb the crap out of it.

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If you're Israel, you get to,
you know, kill 10s of thousands

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of innocent civilians.
It's OK if the US does it.

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We can atomic bomb Japan.
But if, if Russia invades

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Ukraine to try to defend itself
from NATO imperialism, then

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they're the second coming of,
you know, who's the 2nd coming

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of Adolf Hitler.
So much disinformation and lies

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about, about U.S. history.
And, and I'm a patriot.

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I I love my country, even though
I think it, you know, we did a

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lot of bad stuff, mainly World
War 2, but yeah, just trying to

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make it better.
Wow, wow.

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So when when you when you get
out of the sounds like

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government altogether, right,
you, you immediately, I

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shouldn't say immediately.
You end up becoming an author

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and a writer.
How long is it before you

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realize that you know what
writing this ship?

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Cause I remember after 911
thinking, OK, things will go

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back to normal, right?
Like my, my friend Mason on here

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who helps me out, he's probably
never lived in a time like I did

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where I could literally go to
the airport like 1/2 hour before

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I got to be on my flight and be
just fine.

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And so I was waiting for those
days to come back and it became

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pretty apparent after about a
year that it wasn't coming back.

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Was there ever that moment of
realization for you after 911

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that, hey, we, we've kind of,
we've crossed the bridge, so to

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speak, and things aren't going
to go back to the way they were?

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Yeah, so I had a couple of, I
mean, I had three very young

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daughters at the time and well,
I guess 2 1/2, two and a half by

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911.
But anyway, we had, we went to

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California, we lived in
Virginia, Northern Virginia.

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And we went to California to
visit my parents.

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And I think it was on the way
there.

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Like I actually had to get one
or two of my baby girls out and

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they had to swab their feet.
Or I think it was maybe on the

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way back from California to to
Virginia, probably going to

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Reagan, Reagan National.
And they swab their feet for

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explosives.
And I was thinking the US is the

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most idiotic country in the
world.

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Israel has it, you know, they
have it down smart.

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They, they, they don't racially
profile, they criminal profile.

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It just so happens that most
terrorists are, you know, of

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Arab origin or were at the time,
you know, there weren't any

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white, you know, white type
people that were, you know,

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white Europeans that were
involved in the 901 bombing.

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But, you know, grandmas, former
vice presidents were being

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pulled over, you know, security
checked all because, you know,

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we can't discriminate, you know,
we, we can't criminally profile.

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So everyone pays the price, you
know, and, and that was kind of,

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well, obviously the, the bigger
realization that we were in

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having, you know, the security
state was when I was, you know,

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they were trying.
I, I had a Colonel, a Jag

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Colonel that interviewed me.
And it's like, you know, do you

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want an attorney present?
I'm like, no, why?

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They haven't done anything
wrong.

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I've, you know, because I viewed
myself as I was defending the

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United States Army.
I, I love the Army.

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I was only in for three years,
but I was also on, on the

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headquarters staff for three
years once I was out of uniform.

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And I was all about protecting
the troops, making sure their

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lives weren't wasted in, you
know, fruitless wars, wars of

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aggression, whatever the case
might be.

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And, you know, so I wasn't
worried.

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I wasn't worried about, you
know, maybe I should have been

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because as we see, you know,
with Trump, you can do, I mean,

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obviously he doesn't, he hasn't
done anything right, but he

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hasn't done anything wrong.
You know, at least, you know,

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maybe he's been unethical in
certain ways at some point,

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Senator, you know, in his past
business wise or otherwise.

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But he has, he hasn't committed
any crimes and you know, he's

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been prosecuted with 91
felonies.

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And obviously we weren't quite
that to that extent back then,

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you know, where you could you
could be thrown in prison if you

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were, you know, a 75 year old
grandma that showed up at the

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Capitol and didn't even enter
the, you know, enter the the

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Capitol building and you can go
to jail for two years, you know,

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so we haven't really been hadn't
been Sovietized at that point.

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But that was kind of a rude
awakening, I think, for me.

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Gotcha, gotcha.
Well, man, you've you've lived a

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life already.
That's that's impressive.

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So, and, and thanks for what you
did in the Army, I mean, and

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thanks for what you do now.
I, I feel like it's important.

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When, when I started checking
you out, I, I noticed that, I

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noticed that you had started,
you've started really banging

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the drum hard on a coming war
between us, Russia and China.

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What leads you to believe that?
Well, I mean, I've been, you

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know, when President Biden was
elected and I say elected in

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quotes because, you know, he was
elected by the Electoral

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College.
But he, you know, stole the

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election essentially 6 million
votes.

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You know, President Trump
obviously won the majority of

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the votes in the, in legal votes
in the battleground states.

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But he, he was duly elected by
the Electoral College.

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And once he was elected, I, I
posted, you know, I think I

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don't, I think this, it's very
likely that the US will not

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survive Biden's first term.
And I, I was absolutely serious.

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And I, and I, I think I've been
proven, you know, I mean, the

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reasons for me to believe that
have certainly increased.

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I've condemned his policy in
Ukraine as a policy of national

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suicide because I think the more
we escalate against Russia, you

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know, the greater the chance
that Biden will or Putin will

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attack us catastrophically.
You know, most likely with the

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massive cyber attack, could also
be a super EMP attack or even

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limited nuclear strike.
And you know, at the same time,

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Biden has stated four times in a
row that we would defend Taiwan

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militarily against China, which
is surprising because he's ACCP,

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essentially ACCP controlled
asset.

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But, you know, at least the last
statement he made just this past

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week, he was at, he actually
kind of returned us to a policy

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of strategic ambiguity.
But given his, you know, given

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his mental faculties or lack
thereof, I mean, he could switch

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us back on a dime.
But at least, you know, his his

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latest statement did not commit
to go to war to China with China

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because my estimate is, you
know, China's likely to invade

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or blockade Taiwan in October.
And I don't think Biden's gonna

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deliberately get us into war.
But I can, I can see just how

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all of his stupid policies, he
could like, you know, bring our

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ships really close to the
blockade line and that there

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could be an accidental exchange
of fire.

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You know, some downed planes hit
ships.

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And then, you know, that could
just escalate to, you know, a

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massive cyber attack on the US
and then and then our country's

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over, essentially.
So you're as bad as hopeful as,

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as I am.
That's, that's impressive.

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Real quick, what, what were the
conditions on the ground that

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led to, excuse me, Russia
invading Ukraine, right, 'cause

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we get the narrative, we get the
narrative that, that, you know

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what, it's this bigger country
and it just wants to beat up on

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this little country.
And, and I'm not saying Putin's

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a great guy, right?
I don't, I don't say that.

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But nothing happens inside of a
vacuum, right?

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So what is it that, that, what
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basically Putin's like, well, I
gotta go take it over.

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What?
What's going on there?

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So it started with this crazy
idea that from George W Bush,

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who I consider one of our
absolute worst presidents in

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American history, certainly in
modern history, he was.

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He was awful on every national
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whether it's war or nuclear
disarmament or whatever the case

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might be.
But it he, he decided to

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pressure NATO to issue a
declaration called the, the

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Budapest Declaration or the
Bucharest, I'm sorry, the

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Bucharest Declaration 2008 that
was in, I think it was April and

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it basically stated Ukraine and
Georgia are joining NATO.

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You know, there's, we don't have
a timeline, but they will be

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NATO members in the near future.
And Putin had already identified

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that as as his red, as a red
line.

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He'd, he'd given a speech the
year before and said, you know,

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he had been super pro W up to
that point and he wanted to join

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NATO.
He'd asked Russia to join NATO

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twice in 2000, 2002.
He was trying to get Russia to

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join the EU, essentially be, you
know, perhaps not as an EU

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member, but essentially have
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with Europe.
And that was really the turning

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point.
And, you know, Russia after

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that, Russia invaded northern
Georgia because Georgia attacked

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some Russian separatist areas
where Russian troops were

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stationed.
And so he responded, but he

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didn't respond by, you know,
occupying Tbilisi, which is the

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Georgian capital.
And then in 2010, there was a a

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pro pro Russian President who
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Yanukovych.
And four years later Biden

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authorized a coup that overthrew
the democratically elected

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president because he wanted to.
He decided to stay out of the EU

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and to to have Ukraine not
become a Russian ally or even

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part of the the Russian EU Asian
Union, which is Russia LED, but

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simply to become a neutral
country and to give up.

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It's, you know, the previous
president's decision to, you

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know, try to move, to move
towards NATO membership.

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And that was kind of a, you
know, that was that was

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something that, you know, the US
is always pushing ever since

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1945, it's been trying to expand
its global empire.

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And certainly there was a
national security reason for

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that, at least in Europe.
I mean, just to, because we

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were, we were at that point a
more of a defensive power, at

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least in Europe, because we
respected the Alta agreement.

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We had spheres of influence
between the Soviets and the US

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where we wouldn't violate it.
We didn't.

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We never, you know, not even
Reagan tried to liberate East

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Germany or, you know, intervene
in Hungary or Czechoslovakia

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when it was they were being
invaded by the Red Army.

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But it was totally provoked.
The invasion of Ukraine was

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totally provoked.
So they took back Crimea.

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It was a, a bloodless
occupation.

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Crimea was it's 75% ethnic
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So they all voted 90 plus
percent to join Russia.

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And that's that's something I
strongly supported, even though

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the Russians occupied it.
And then years later in 2021, so

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Zelensky was elected president
on a on a campaign of platform

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of peace with Russia.
He was yet he sincerely

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attempted to implement the Minsk
2 agreement, which would have

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kept the Don boss returned the
entire Don boss reach into

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Ukrainian control.
But his they were, you know, far

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right neo Nazi extremists
militias refused to do it.

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They threatened his life.
They actually threatened his

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wife's life.
And in response to that, he

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basically made a deal and said,
OK, if you withdraw your death

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threats, I'll point you to top
senior positions in my

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government and I'll do I'll kind
of do what you're bidding from

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this point on force.
So he he decided to do it about

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face.
He said he would Ukraine would

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retake the Donbas and Crimea by
military force.

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Russia responded by mobilizing
its troops around Ukraine in

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March and April, late March and
early April of 2021.

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Then Biden had a summit with
with Putin, you know, Putin back

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down with his his troops and
then, you know, Biden kept

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escalating.
He signed a strategic

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partnership agreement with with
Ukraine in November of 2021 that

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sparked another crisis where
Russia amassed its troops.

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Putin On December 7th 19th,
2021, Putin Putin offered to.

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Withdraw all Russian troops from
Ukrainians Ukraine's borders

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that had been searched there in
exchange for a written guarantee

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from from Biden that he would
that Ukraine would never join

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NATO.
And Biden told him to pound

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sand.
Then a week later, Russia

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submitted a mutual security
agreement, which was a kind of

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a, a revamped version of the, of
the same agreement that Russia

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presented to the US back in 2009
and to NATO.

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And January 25th of 2022,
Blinken told Russia to, you

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know, to, you know, we're not
gonna accept them, Maybe your

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proposed peace agreement.
And so essentially Biden chose

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war.
You know, he, he had every

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reason to know.
And actually, he did know

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because U.S. intelligence knew
that if he didn't at least

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provide a written guarantee to
Russia that Ukraine would never

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join NATO, that Russia was gonna
invade.

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And, you know, he's very open
about that.

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But, and, you know, so this
invasion was very much provoked.

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It was certainly in violation of
of international law.

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But, you know, I wrote an
article back in July of 2022 in

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the National Interest where I
used to be a contributor.

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And essentially what I said is,
you know, we need, we need to

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put ourselves in Russia's shoes.
Because if, if, if Russia allied

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with the independent
secessionist Texas Republic and,

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you know, sent a bunch of troops
there, 1000 troops, trained

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their army and armed them with
missiles, which they could use

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to kill Americans, you know, how
would we react to that?

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And, and the fact is we would
react by invading, bombing and

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annexing all of Texas and
calling it a defensive war.

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That's exactly what Russia's
done, except the, the main

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difference is they at one point
had conquered 30% of Ukrainian

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territory.
And then Putin beginning the day

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after Russia invaded, he invited
Ukraine to negotiate terms and

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promised that if the terms were
acceptable, all Russian troops

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would be withdrawn from Ukraine
to their pre war positions.

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And so Zelensky actually did
that.

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He there was the, the agreement
was 90% complete Ukraine and

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Russia initialed the the
neutrality agreement where

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Ukraine was was gonna stay out
of NATO and had all kinds of

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other provisions that Russia had
asked for and Ukraine agreed to

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accept.
And then Putin made the fateful

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decision to begin withdrawing
Russian, all Russian troops from

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northern Ukraine, including
three Russian oblasts, including

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Kiev.
So Kiev had been partially

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surrounded the Ukrainian capital
and that pressured Zelensky to

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to make the peace deal.
And once he saw the Russian

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troops withdrawing from Kiev, he
did an about face and he's like,

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he's like, OK, they're not
holding the gun to my head.

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I'm gonna do whatever I want
them to fight them as you know,

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till all freezes over because
now I've, you know, US and and

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and British support.
And they're telling me they'll,

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you know, they'll arm arm and,
you know, fund my government and

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give me hundreds of hundreds of
millions of dollars to buy, to

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buy, you know, mansions and, you
know, vacation homes and massive

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amounts of real estate all
across the world.

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So if I ever get ousted, then I
can just, you know, have my, my

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own little real estate empire
and travel the world.

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So that's what he decided to do.
And Putin's been, you know, he's

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been trying to end the war ever
since.

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And I predicted in April 2022
that if, if Ukraine didn't

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didn't follow through with the
peace terms they'd agreed to in

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March 31st in Istanbul, that
Russia would annex 4.

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Actually, I said 3:00 but that
he actually annex 4 Ukrainian

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oblast and and that would be it.
They would never get the

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territory back.
And since September of 2022, I

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proposed that a a Korean style
Armistice to end the war.

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And that's something that Putin
that Russia supported actually

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in between that time.
This is maybe interesting to

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you.
In June of 2022, I wrote up a

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comprehensive 15 point peace
plan and in response to that,

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because it called for, you know,
a vote, a plebiscite for, you

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know, a popular referendum to
for Ukrainians that live in the

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Donbas region to, to vote
whether to join to stay part of

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Ukraine or not.
I was put on Ukraine's blacklist

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along with initially it was 28
other Americans, high profile

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Americans, and then became 34
others, including Tucker

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Carlson, Rand Paul, Tulsi
Gabbard, Colonel Douglas

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McGregor.
And later, you know, I, I've had

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some Russian media interviews
and they linked my peace plan,

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You know, basically they, they
said that this is something we

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could live with.
So I thought my peace plan was,

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you know, I viewed it as the
minimum acceptable to Russia in

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the best agreement Ukraine could
possibly get.

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And Russia basically ignore
endorsed it.

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And and, you know, the Ukrainian
government, which is really

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extreme when it comes to peace
and also extremely dictatorial.

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Not saying Putin's not, but the
Zelensky regime has been, you

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know, they've been assassinating
opponents, including an

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American, you know, the
assassinated American who had

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simply had a podcast that
broadcasting from Ukraine, you

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know, basically calling for
peace, that Ukraine couldn't win

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and that the Russians were
winning.

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And, you know, he was, I think,
an Argentinian American.

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And, you know, they imprisoned
him a couple times.

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The second time he died in
prison short shortly after they

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arrested him under suspicious
circumstances.

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So that's kind of where we're at
right now.

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Let me ask you this there,
there's a lot there in one pack.

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Dave.
Let let let me ask you this that

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stuff, because this isn't the
first time I've heard about neo

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Nazis in in Ukraine.
And I'm not sure how much weight

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to put into it.
You mentioned it.

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And so I wanna ask you is, is
any of that documented?

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How do we know that that went
down?

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Yes, I mean, I, I read
vociferously.

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So you know, I'm, I'm can't
always remember all my all the

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sources, but yes, it's
absolutely documented.

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There have been some good
interviews of folks with a lot

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higher profile than than myself
that have revealed that

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information.
And I can probably get back to

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you on on the sources, but I.
Would like to throw those

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sources into the into the show
notes so people themselves, but

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that is here's one of the
problems I've seen here, right

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is that because I think as
people were naturally wired to

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look for who's the who's the
good guy who's the bad guy,

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right.
And sometimes there's not a good

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guy to be found, right.
And I look at what's going on.

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I, I look at what's going on
over over there in, in Ukraine

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and, and Russia.
And certainly I feel sorry for

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just the civilians that get
caught in the crossfire, right?

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I mean that, that sucks.
That would sting to be them.

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But I look at the leadership and
there's no doubt Ukraine was one

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00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:24,400
of the most highly corrupted
States and we seem to just be

443
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,160
giving them blank checks
everywhere.

444
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,560
And, and I find that very
problematic.

445
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,800
That's not to say Putin's a good
guy.

446
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,480
I'm not saying that at all.
I think he's a thug too.

447
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,680
The and and so sometimes and I
think this is where

448
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,640
Washington's, you know, farewell
address comes in, where he says

449
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,400
stay out of foreign
entanglements, right?

450
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,880
I mean, we think we know what's
going on over there, but do we

451
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,080
really, do we have a good
understanding of, of really how

452
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:59,640
how the leadership thinks, how,
how they they believe with that?

453
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:06,560
Let me ask you this question.
How does this end in Russia or

454
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,400
Ukraine?
You know, as I said, Putin's

455
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,280
been, he's been, you know, one
thing I do admire about him is

456
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:19,040
he has has amazing strategic
forbearance, meaning that with

457
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,160
all these provocations, you
know, US sponsored attacks, US

458
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,520
directed attacks on Russian
territory, helping Ukraine kill

459
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:32,640
85,000 Russian troops, you know,
seven Russian generals sinking

460
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,880
their flagship, blowing up Nord
Stream at the cost of like 15 to

461
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,800
20 billion to the Russian
economy.

462
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,160
All those things.
He's done almost nothing back.

463
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,680
You know, I mean, certainly
there have been a lot of strange

464
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,480
like sabotage and you know,
some, some cyber attacks, which

465
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,880
Russia's the main culprit
because we're doing it to them,

466
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,480
you know, a lot of food plants
Catching Fire and whatnot.

467
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,600
I've been amazed, you know, I'm
someone who, I thought he was

468
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,520
like, I never thought he was
like Hitler or anything like

469
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,000
that.
But I thought he, I did think he

470
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,480
had a plan to kind of reassemble
a Russian sphere of influence.

471
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,760
What I, what I referred to as an
Imperial Russian Confederation

472
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,800
in which all former Soviet
republics, with the exception of

473
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,360
the Baltics would become
essentially Russian satellites.

474
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,960
And I didn't think he he
intended to enforce that the use

475
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,040
of troops except in in the case
of Ukraine.

476
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,520
But yeah, it's really surprised
me in that he's, he's really

477
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,560
stood for peace.
And that's so counterintuitive.

478
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,040
Like, I mean, to what we hear,
like we hear he's a war

479
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,880
criminal.
Totally false.

480
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,240
He hasn't targeted ever targeted
civilians in, in Ukraine.

481
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,480
In fact, he's he's taken
measures to ensure that Russian

482
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,240
forces do not do that.
There's only been, I think

483
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,360
10,700 deaths, Ukraine,
Ukraine's civilian deaths that

484
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,120
would have been logged as of
February of this year.

485
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:06,200
So in two years, 10 to 11,000
civilian deaths according to the

486
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:13,800
Unsun Human Rights Commission.
And Israel's killed well more

487
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,240
than doubled that that in like 7
months.

488
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,880
So, you know, Israel's had a had
a, you know, I support Israel,

489
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,760
by the way, but I'm not going to
ignore the war crimes in this

490
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,720
instance.
But yeah, Putin stood for peace.

491
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,320
He's had an olive branch from
day one.

492
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,840
Biden is in the Biden regime.
President Biden threw a temper

493
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,160
tantrum, you know, as soon as
Russia invaded Ukraine, he

494
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,040
basically said we're we're not
gonna talk, talk to them ever

495
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,600
again.
I mean, that's, that's like what

496
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,840
a little kid does.
You know, we're not gonna talk.

497
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,440
I mean, Russia is a nuclear
superpower.

498
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,400
And it not only is he is Biden
refusing to negotiate.

499
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,520
I mean, he's not even willing to
to say, OK, we're gonna meet

500
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,200
with you guys and here are our
terms.

501
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:56,920
All Russian troops out of
Ukraine.

502
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,520
Like, I would be happy if he did
that.

503
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,080
They won't even, he won't even
meet with Putin.

504
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,160
He won't, he won't call him on
the phone.

505
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,160
He won't send him an e-mail.
I mean, he's an idiot.

506
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,360
Every.
I mean, look at JFKJFK met with

507
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,080
Khrushchev.
Khrushchev was a lot, way more

508
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,120
of a thug and a mass murderer
than Putin is.

509
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,840
I don't even think Putin's a
mass murderer.

510
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,560
I think he's a dictator, but
he's way less bloodthirsty than

511
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,600
any other Russian leader we've
ever seen, with the exception of

512
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:30,600
Yeltsin.
And, you know, I mean, that's

513
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:35,320
how you resolve nuclear crises.
And instead, Biden is upping the

514
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,880
ante.
I mean, you know, Blinken came

515
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,120
out and said, you know, yeah, we
decided to, you know, Zelensky

516
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,440
said, hey, we want to hit Russia
hard using US long range US

517
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,120
missiles and hit their nuclear
bombers.

518
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,400
And, you know, is that OK?
And and Blinken's like, yeah, I

519
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,200
talked to Biden and Biden said
yes.

520
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,120
And we're just gonna keep
escalating whatever Zelensky

521
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,000
asks for something, you know,
we'll tell him, well, maybe not

522
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,160
yet, but really soon.
And then pretty soon we'll be in

523
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,360
World War three and Americans
will be asking why did Russia

524
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,200
nuke us or why did they destroy
our country with the cyber or

525
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,880
super EMP attack.
And maybe not a lot of people

526
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,640
will know the answer.
You and you and I will know the

527
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,920
answer.
But in, in the end, it's gonna

528
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:23,520
be, well, they attacked us
because they were fighting a

529
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,600
essentially a defensive war
against US imperialism with

530
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,760
regards to NATO and trying to
advance, you know, NATO's

531
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,720
imperial borders all the way,
you know, across the Russia's

532
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,880
western frontier.
You know, in 1991, I, I actually

533
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,480
wrote, I wrote a peace agreement
in 1986.

534
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,640
I was still in high school and I
wrote a piece of agreement that

535
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,520
had like 28 points what the
Soviet Union do and should do.

536
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,760
And it was basically like a
unconditional surrender.

537
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,680
And oh, I think only five of
those points came to fruition in

538
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,560
1991.
I, I didn't, I never thought

539
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,880
that would actually happen, but
it, it did happen when I was 22

540
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,199
and, you know, essentially
Russia, the Soviets gave up

541
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:13,040
their empire.
And actually, I actually have an

542
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,880
article about why they did that,
because it's a question that no

543
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,920
one's really ever answered.
Like we have all these, you

544
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,480
know, foolish myths that we
bankrupted the Soviet Union.

545
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,159
Reagan did it.
He was really tough.

546
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,719
He talked tough to them.
We got, they got bankrupted

547
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,600
because we never built SDI, but
they were afraid that we would.

548
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,480
I mean, all these stupid ideas
that really make no sense at

549
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,480
all.
And I have a completely coherent

550
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,480
article that I've been working
on for like a year.

551
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,600
My problem is I only write, I
only publish about 5 to 10% of

552
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,800
what I write.
So most people never see, see a

553
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,000
lot of the stuff, stuff that
I've written.

554
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:59,200
But you know, the Soviets gave,
gave up their entire empire.

555
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,200
The US decided to gobble up
their Eastern European empire

556
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,720
with NATO expansion and and
we're quipping over Ukraine.

557
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:12,200
I mean, if Reagan would would
roll over in his grave if he

558
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,320
knew that we were risking
nuclear war, you know, where the

559
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,600
the chances of nuclear war are
higher than they were during the

560
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,160
Cuban Missile crisis over a
country at the farthest eastern

561
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,600
fringe of Eastern Europe, that
in which the US has no

562
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,360
discernible national security
interests.

563
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,040
I didn't say no vital national
security interests.

564
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,320
I said zero national security
interests.

565
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,120
Russia could annex all of
Ukraine tomorrow, wouldn't pose

566
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,960
a threat to the US.
It wouldn't pose a threat to

567
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,800
NATO because Putin has no desire
to attack NATO.

568
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,800
He, you know, the Tucker Carlson
interview that he had in

569
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,800
February, he made that very
clear.

570
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,840
He's made that clear sense.
He said Russia will only attack

571
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,760
NATO in response to, you know,
NATO attack in Russia directly.

572
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,240
And now we're talking about
combat troops being sent to, you

573
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:02,080
know, to Ukraine, U.S. military
advisers, French military

574
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,680
advisers, the British and the
French, the Poles have all

575
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,960
talked about sending an
expeditiary force to fight

576
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,560
Russia directly.
That would certainly lead to

577
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:16,520
World War Three and, you know, a
very destructive war that could

578
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,240
potentially cost a billion
lives.

579
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,880
Do you think that's where
Russia's red line is with the

580
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,640
United States, as if we were to
attack him directly?

581
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,520
Absolutely.
So, for example, if Russia were

582
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,840
if Putin were to escalate with a
nuclear demonstration strike,

583
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:38,520
it's anywhere in Ukraine.
A lot of, you know, crazy

584
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,320
retired four-star generals have
talked, you know, three star

585
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,280
generals have talked about, you
know, we should just bomb the

586
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,800
crap out of their, you know,
their army in, in Ukraine or

587
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,720
areas of Ukraine.
They, they have annex, it'll

588
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:54,560
become part of Russia.
And then they, they probably,

589
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,080
they just back down.
I mean, they have 4 1/2 times

590
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,080
more nuclear weapons than we do.
They, they have 35 times more

591
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,880
non strategic nuclear warheads
than we do.

592
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,720
And they're allied with the
nuclear superpower China that it

593
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:08,040
likely has twice as many nukes
as we do.

594
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,160
So we're completely, you know,
back in the human missile

595
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,840
crisis, we had five to nine
times more nuclear weapons than

596
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,400
the Soviet Union.
So there was never really any

597
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,840
real risk of nuclear war because
the Soviets knew we'd blow them

598
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,200
away.
We would, there was no question

599
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,720
that we would, we would win a
nuclear war with the Soviet

600
00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:29,400
Union hands down.
And we would do so with, you

601
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:34,000
know, moderate US casualties.
We might, might lose 10s of

602
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,840
millions.
I mean, they'd lose their whole

603
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,280
country basically.
Now it's complete.

604
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,360
It's the complete opposite.
You know, we would lose hands

605
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,840
down and we would lose the first
half an hour of any, any major

606
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,080
war where they escalated to the
cyber, super AP or, or nuclear

607
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,360
level.
And so, you know, essentially

608
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,600
the US has four guns to its
head, maybe 10.

609
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,960
And, you know, if we make the a
raw move, any one of those guns

610
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,560
can fire, maybe all of them,
maybe they'll fire all at the

611
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,400
same time.
Like the end of the, if you've

612
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,360
seen the movie Civil War, where
they assassinated a Trump like

613
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,760
president at the end of the
movie, they're, you know, they,

614
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,040
he, he begs for mercy and they
multiple former U.S. troops

615
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,880
execute him at the same time.
So that's kind of the situation

616
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,640
we're facing right now.
And very few national security

617
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,080
experts are willing to admit it.
I've written a comprehensive

618
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,000
strategy on how to disrupt and
divide and neutralize this Sino

619
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:35,080
Russian military alliance.
And very few military

620
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,960
strategists, with the exception
of Doctor John Mearsheimer, have

621
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,160
come up with another similar
idea.

622
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:46,840
He's like, he's the only one
that I know of that's well known

623
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,720
that has come up with that same
idea.

624
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,040
And my plan's a lot more
detailed, but he's, he's a,

625
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,800
yeah.
He's, he's a, a, a, the foremost

626
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,400
realist scholar.
He, he recommends my subset, by

627
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,000
the way.
And, and I think he's pretty

628
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,240
amazing.
You know, if only we had him in,

629
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:10,000
in our, as a national security
advisor, you know, our, our

630
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,120
country would be a lot, a lot
better off right now.

631
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,560
So that would be the red line
for Putin to use something, you

632
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,840
know, like I shouldn't say
physical, but but more direct

633
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,440
methods.
What would be his red line for

634
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,720
like that catastrophic cyber
attack you talk about?

635
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,000
Is that, is that a different
line or do you think that's it?

636
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,440
It's one line, period.
I.

637
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:34,840
Think it's one line period.
Yeah.

638
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,600
So what I've been saying is
Russia or China, if we get into

639
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,880
a direct war with either on day
one of major combat operations,

640
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,400
they will hit us.
He'll hit us with everything

641
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,680
they have with cyber and counter
space attacks.

642
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:51,200
So take it all over satellites,
cyber attack will take out all

643
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,240
of our communications Internet,
you know, finance, banking

644
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:57,080
system, food distribution
system, critical infrastructure,

645
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,600
power.
A lot of you know, there,

646
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,760
there's some new conservatives
to talk about.

647
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,720
Oh, you know, World War three's
already underway and we just

648
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:08,480
need to fight and win it.
And and I'm like, no World War.

649
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,120
You don't even know what a World
War is.

650
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,680
I mean, World War is when
you're, you're fighting an enemy

651
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,040
on the battlefield on multiple
fronts across the world.

652
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:18,920
At least you know?
Atlantic and Pacific, right,

653
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:25,400
Asia and Europe or the Americas.
And you know, essentially we

654
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,320
will know that when World War
Three starts, when the power

655
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,560
goes off and it never comes back
on again.

656
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,320
I mean, there's, there's a
slight chance that they could,

657
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,160
they could let off on their
cyber attacks if we were to

658
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,200
surrender, you know, and say,
you know, we'll have a

659
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,560
conditional surrender.
This is what we'll do to, you

660
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,160
know, to meet your requirements
and we'll disarm or whatnot.

661
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,520
We'll take our nuclear forces
off alert.

662
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,040
And then, then I think there's a
good chance they would agree to

663
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,560
that, lift their cyber attack
and we can have power restored.

664
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,440
But the chances of that I think
are are is are very low.

665
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,960
I think if they hit us hard with
cyber, maybe super EMP, then

666
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,240
that's, that's it.
You know, we're not gonna, we're

667
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:08,280
not gonna surrender and we might
not even have anyone that that

668
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,280
can surrender because our
communications will be down and

669
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,440
maybe our leadership will be
done.

670
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:18,920
Gotcha.
All right, let's talk about

671
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,080
China for a minute, 'cause
that's, this is the other

672
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,680
vector, if you will, of of
instability that that we're

673
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,840
facing right now.
What's China's motive behind

674
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:33,240
wanting Taiwan?
So China's been wanting Taiwan

675
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:35,960
for 75 years.
The Chinese civil war, obviously

676
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:42,280
it started in the 1920s went
through the the Sino Second Sino

677
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:47,920
Japanese war that lasted from
essentially from 1937 to 1945.

678
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:53,000
And then when Japan was
defeated, you know, 1946, Truman

679
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,880
withdraw withdrew all of his all
U.S. military aid and logistics

680
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,960
supplies to, you know, food and
fuel what not to the nationalist

681
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,160
freedom firefighters led by Chen
Kai Shek.

682
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,200
And invariably, you know, the
the Red Chinese won.

683
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,720
And so Jane fled with the the
remains of his National

684
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:18,600
Revolutionary Army to Taiwan and
was, as you know, was able to

685
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,640
keep Taiwan independent for 75
years with initially with the US

686
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:26,760
security guarantee.
That lasted until Jimmy Carter

687
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:32,600
decided to, you know, embrace A1
China policy and and essentially

688
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:37,440
give up our defense of Taiwan.
So we withdrew all 25,000 troops

689
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,080
that we had during the Vietnam
War that were based in Taiwan.

690
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:44,400
We pulled out our nuclear
weapons and today we have 300

691
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,400
troops, special forces that are
training Taiwanese and

692
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,080
counterinsurgency tactics.
But essentially the answer is

693
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,440
the Chinese view.
Taiwan is unfinished business.

694
00:42:54,600 --> 00:43:00,960
Essentially, Taiwan has the only
government which poses a, has a

695
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,080
legitimate claim to the
leadership of mainland China.

696
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,600
And so they've been planning on,
you know, they've been working

697
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,640
assiduously for the past, you
know, 3 decades in particular,

698
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,280
building up the Chinese military
to ensure that they could, would

699
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,960
be guaranteed to win any, any
war with the US over Taiwan.

700
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:23,160
And so they reached that point
in my assessment about 2020.

701
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,120
And they've essentially they've
just been waiting for the right,

702
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,440
the right moment to pull the
trigger.

703
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,800
I think they'll they'll likely
do a blockade.

704
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,840
But, you know, with the election
of President Biden, it was

705
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,160
essentially a managerial
president as as Trump has has

706
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,480
alleged.
I think they view this as a

707
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,720
window of opportunity they can't
afford to pass up.

708
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,080
I mean, Biden's gone all out to
weaken the US both at home and

709
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,120
abroad.
He's, you know, trying to jail

710
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:59,080
as in prison, his only real
presidential challenger in a in

711
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,120
Riker Island state prison that
is known for, you know, people

712
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,720
getting established, you know,
killed.

713
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:10,480
And, you know, he's essentially
importing communist Chinese

714
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,680
methods to the US and being an
authoritarian president,

715
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,800
dictatorial president, trying to
establish A1 party Marxist state

716
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,520
police state.
And, you know, at the same time,

717
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:29,920
he's, he's using kind of, you
know, woke, woke Marxism to

718
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,040
indoctrinate our military and
weaken it that way, demoralize

719
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:39,400
it, make, make it so no one
wants to join focusing on

720
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,520
climate change.
You know, there was a, a member

721
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,000
of AUSA.
I'm a former state chapter vice

722
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,600
president.
And a recent cover of, of Army

723
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,280
magazine showed, you know,
basically said that, that the

724
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,560
greatest enemy that, that the US
Army was facing was the weather.

725
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,440
It wasn't China, it wasn't,
wasn't Russia, it wasn't North

726
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,320
Korea or Iran, it was the
weather.

727
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,560
So the US Army was, is devising
a new strategy to, to fight

728
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,120
climate change, which is, you
know, we all know as anyone with

729
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,920
half a brain knows, that man
made climate change is non

730
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,720
existent.
You know, it impacts 2% of the,

731
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,760
the weather temperature changes
that are cyclical.

732
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,640
So that's where he's, he, you
know, he's spending most of our,

733
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,240
our effort trying to make the
Army go green, you know, not,

734
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,840
not the traditional Army green,
you know where I, I wear green.

735
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,560
Uniforms, but.
Rather green, green

736
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,040
environmental extremism, you
know, type stuff.

737
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:39,520
So, yeah, I think Xi Jinping,
you know, he's 77 years old.

738
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,120
I've estimate, you know, I've
assessed that he will likely

739
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:50,240
make his move after the 75th
anniversary celebration of the,

740
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,400
the, the founding of the
People's Republic of China.

741
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,480
They always do a big military
parade in early October.

742
00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:00,760
It's October 1st, so I would
assess that second week of

743
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:06,200
October by that that point there
would be a full Chinese military

744
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,680
blockade, be a air naval
blockade of Taiwan.

745
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:16,280
And then I think that President
Xi Jinping will say this is your

746
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,880
last chance.
You know, we're, we want

747
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,320
peaceful, peaceful
reunification.

748
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,360
If US if you're willing to help
us out with that, then we can

749
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,160
avoid a World War.
And if you're not, you know,

750
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,280
you're not US isn't gonna exist
anymore as as the Russian

751
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,600
government stated, you know,
with, with regards to Biden's

752
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,880
decision to allow Ukraine to
hit, you know, use US missiles

753
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,160
deep in into Russia.
It it may be a fatal mistake and

754
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,600
it will be a fatal mistake.
I I'm saying I'm predicting.

755
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:53,040
So, you know, I think the answer
is we, we have to end our policy

756
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,640
of strategic ambiguity towards
Taiwan.

757
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,160
We simply say we Biden just
needs to say the same thing

758
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,520
about Taiwan And he said about
Ukraine, you know, we've right

759
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,880
before Russia invaded Ukraine,
he said the US under no

760
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,760
circumstances will the US defend
Taiwan, Ukraine militarily

761
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,880
because that would be World War
three in his, in his words.

762
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:19,040
And if he if he just were to say
publicly that the US would not

763
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:24,480
defend Taiwan militarily, then
China will not destroy us, won't

764
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,480
cyber attack us, it won't super
EMP us, it won't nuke us.

765
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:34,080
And we can establish a red line,
a red line, that kind of a

766
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,960
invisible nuclear red line that
surrounds all of our treaty

767
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:42,680
allies, Japan, Philippines,
Australia and South Korea and

768
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,160
say, you know, we're gonna
defend these four countries.

769
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,160
And you know, we're willing to
negotiate on other other stuff,

770
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:56,200
other, you know, island claims,
you know, Shoals and rocks and

771
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,640
reefs where you know, no one
lives, such as, you know, those

772
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,800
are the kind of the other focus
of China and the South China

773
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,040
Sea.
We can negotiate those issues,

774
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,320
but you can have peaceful
reunification with time.

775
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,080
One we'll, you know, we'll
negotiate like an EU style

776
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,280
reunification agreement
confederation that I proposed, I

777
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,680
think it was last October.
And we can, you know, peacefully

778
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,160
coexist and you know, we can
still still pursue a, a

779
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,640
competition and we'll have this
have trade wars with you, but no

780
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,560
military wars.
And and I think the US can live

781
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:35,440
happily ever after.
But other otherwise, I think the

782
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,880
risks to the US are very
existence are are are very

783
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,640
extreme and very perilous.
OK, so let me ask a couple

784
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,600
questions here in regards to
China's timing on this.

785
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,000
Would it not have made more
sense to to do a military

786
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,200
blockade of Taiwan in like year
two of the Biden presidency?

787
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,240
I mean, look, we don't know what
Trump's gonna do.

788
00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:00,360
I I'm a guy who says he's not
the savior of the Republic,

789
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,440
right?
I'm not saying that he's been

790
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:08,360
just as bad as everybody else.
I don't know how else to put it

791
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,000
in some ways, right.
He did do some things that I was

792
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,840
surprised with, but by and
large, he neither shocked me

793
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,160
with how bad he was or impressed
me with how good he was.

794
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,360
Having said that, he is a guy
that is a bit of a wild card,

795
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,240
right?
And so if you're China, you have

796
00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:27,840
to take that into account.
I would think so.

797
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,840
Wouldn't have like year two been
more ideal if China was gonna

798
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:36,080
send a blockade to Taiwan where,
you know, that you have two

799
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:41,040
years of Joe Biden and, and you,
you made the statement and I

800
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,360
want to go back to that here in
a second that he's kind of a

801
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,920
Manchurian candidate.
But wouldn't that have been the

802
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,480
time to do it, rather than right
before a United States election

803
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,440
where there's a possibility of
getting the wild card back in

804
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,800
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814
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,840
Wouldn't that have been the time
to do it, rather than right

815
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,160
before a United States election
where there's a possibility of

816
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,040
getting the wild card back in
the office?

817
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:41,920
You know, it's interesting.
I actually think it's the

818
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,760
opposite.
I think that Biden's the wild

819
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,200
card and Trump is Trump is, is,
is the safe bet.

820
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,720
I think that, you know, Trump
actually in John Bolton's book,

821
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:57,520
he, he told John Bolton and
other, other of his top national

822
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:02,600
security advisors that, you
know, because China is 100 miles

823
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,240
from Taiwan and we're 8000 miles
from Taiwan.

824
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,640
Taiwan, he was probably referred
to the center of the US that

825
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,680
there's nothing we could do
that, you know, China would be

826
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,360
guaranteed to to be able to
overrun Taiwan and then we would

827
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,840
be faced with the decision as to
whether to stage AD day D-Day

828
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,560
style invasion from a distance
of 6900 miles from the US

829
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,760
Pacific Coast.
And that would be one that would

830
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,880
be guaranteed to fail for for a
lot of reasons.

831
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:32,160
China's got tremendous fire
repair.

832
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,000
They have regional, they have
theater nuclear supremacy.

833
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:40,520
We have no new nuclear weapons
station in the Far East or

834
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:46,200
Western Pacific outside of, you
know, some, some Peter nuclear

835
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,280
weapons that are deployed on our
nuclear missile submarines in

836
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,680
which we have two on Station
Pacific at any time and two

837
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,120
traveling back to home port or
to and from station.

838
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,840
So, and they all, they have the
largest nuclear ballistic

839
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:07,720
missile force in the world that
has I think it's 7 to 11 times

840
00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:10,560
as many missiles as we do.
They've doubled the size of the

841
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,600
missile force in just the last
three years.

842
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,600
So, you know, there's just no
chance, you know, and I think

843
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:24,160
Trump knows that Trump is, you
know, he's so much more pro

844
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,200
peace like he's so much so
focused on avoiding World War

845
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,640
three, like when as soon as
Russia invaded Ukraine, he's

846
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,200
like this could lead to a
nuclear war.

847
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:36,040
And he's like, I want to in
September of 2022, he said, he

848
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,120
said, I want to lead a
delegation, AUS delegation to

849
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,280
make to end this war in 24
hours.

850
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:43,400
And he was passionate about
that.

851
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:47,320
That's what I love about Trump.
So yes, he got, he had some deep

852
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,160
state officials that he would
he, you know, made mistakes in

853
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,520
promoting to CEO level positions
in his first term.

854
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,720
He didn't do as as much good as
he hoped to.

855
00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:58,960
He wanted to make a
comprehensive peace with Russia.

856
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,360
He wanted to divide, to sign a
Russian alliance, Ukraine.

857
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,640
Ukraine never would have been
invaded if he'd been president

858
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:10,640
in 2022.
But I actually think there's

859
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,640
more risk to China to invade
with while Biden is president

860
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,120
than than his than Trump being
president.

861
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,720
So I wouldn't, if I were to
advisor to Xi Jinping and I knew

862
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:24,680
what know what I know about
Trump, I'd be saying let's wait

863
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,640
it out.
You know, I mean, maybe I

864
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,840
wouldn't, maybe I wouldn't go
that far because I, I think that

865
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,360
I think that China knows that
they can win either way.

866
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,440
Even if Biden puts up a fight,
they can take us out, but the

867
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,640
safer bet would definitely be to
wait till Trump was president.

868
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,040
But I don't think they believe
that.

869
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,240
I think they, I think they agree
with the, the, you know, the

870
00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:51,040
consensus view that Trump's more
of a wild card and, and that

871
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:52,640
they're not sure what he would
do.

872
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,720
Maybe he would defend Taiwan,
maybe wouldn't.

873
00:53:55,720 --> 00:54:00,000
So I, I do think that the fact
that the next election is, is

874
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:04,000
happening in November and that
it could go, you know, they

875
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,560
could, they could maybe rigging
the votes not good enough.

876
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,320
And I'm sure it is, but maybe
it's not in their, in their

877
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,520
view.
And then Biden loses, Trump

878
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,720
wins.
And then Trump gets, you know,

879
00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:20,480
becomes he's inaugurated to a
second term in, in January and

880
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,320
then the window's over.
So that's why I think, you know,

881
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:27,520
I think that Taiwan would likely
surrender within three weeks of

882
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,840
a blockade beginning if the US
didn't take decisive action to

883
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,600
stop, you know, to fight China.
You know, Taiwan would would

884
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:38,880
know that there's no point to
delaying their surrender.

885
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,960
But the better choice is to
avoid we're all together and try

886
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,240
to have a compromise agreement
as I proposed, which keeps

887
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,600
Taiwan in control of the
military, allows them self rule,

888
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,360
doesn't allow any permanent, you
know, troop, state, Chinese

889
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,240
troop stationed on on their main
island, actually none at all.

890
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,240
I think China would agree to
that.

891
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,600
You know, I don't think they'd
honor it for certainly wouldn't

892
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:07,520
honor it for, you know, 20
years, but at least it could, it

893
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,280
could provide for a more gradual
transition that that doesn't get

894
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,800
hundreds of thousands, if not
hundreds of millions of innocent

895
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,520
people killed.
I know one of the big concerns

896
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:22,400
about Taiwan is, is it supplies
like 90 some percent of the

897
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,520
world's chips, right?
Microchips, processing chips,

898
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,520
those sorts of things.
What happens if if China does

899
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,720
take over, what happens to our
ability to get those ships that,

900
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,520
let's face it, that run the
world now, right?

901
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:41,760
Yeah, well, I mean, here's the
thing, you know, China could

902
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,200
take over the entire, all of
East Asia, including Taiwan,

903
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,920
Japan, and they would still
trade with us.

904
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,840
You know, the problem is the US
can't allow that.

905
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,680
You know, we should.
We should militarily defend

906
00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:00,120
Japan.
And when it comes to Taiwan, my

907
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,520
recommendation, if I was
national security advisor to

908
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:06,000
President Trump, I would I would
say we need to stay out of the

909
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:10,560
fight militarily, but we need to
go full, full economic war on

910
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:14,240
China.
And, you know, the estimate is

911
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:17,920
if we get cut off from those
advanced computer, you know,

912
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:22,680
computer chips that are made in
Taiwan, we probably lose about

913
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:27,120
eight, maybe even 9% of our GDP.
During the Great Depression, we

914
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,640
lost 8%.
So people think, think times are

915
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,440
tough now.
They don't have a clue, You

916
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,640
know, I mean, that would be, it
would be another Great

917
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,800
Depression, potentially worse
than the 1st.

918
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,600
I, I would think not worse than
the first because, you know, for

919
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,560
a number of reasons.
But I would, I would think it's

920
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,760
all, it would be almost as bad.
But the option is, you know,

921
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,040
there's two options.
One is we don't sanction China.

922
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,840
We have minor sanctions on China
from the invasion.

923
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,520
They'll keep trading with us.
They'll keep selling us the

924
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,160
chips.
The economy will, you know, will

925
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:06,640
remain half decent.
The other option is we go to war

926
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,600
full on with them and they
destroy 100% of our economy

927
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:14,240
because after a massive cyber
attack or supreme he attack, you

928
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:16,560
know, the US would wouldn't
really have an economy and have

929
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,360
a barter economy.
The US dollar dollar would

930
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,160
become worthless, obviously,
because without saying the

931
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,680
bank's ATMs wouldn't work, you
know, whatever money we had had

932
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,200
invested would be gone, Stock
market would be gone.

933
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:34,440
So, you know, it's a trade off.
And you know, Taiwan, you know,

934
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:38,640
unlike Ukraine, we actually do
have a a strategic interest in

935
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:42,160
Taiwan's independence.
And so that's why I've come up

936
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,160
with a plan that could, you
know, maintain their self rule

937
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:50,120
short of war and essentially
achieve more gradual transition.

938
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,400
Now essentially, you know, best
case, it would end up being like

939
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,160
being like Hong Kong.
Hong Kong was, you know, was

940
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:00,840
supposed to be 20 plus years.
I think it was it was about 20

941
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:05,440
years that China respect
respected the agreement to keep

942
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,680
Hong Kong, you know, with self
rule.

943
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:13,640
And that's definitely best case
for a Taiwan scenario.

944
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,200
But even if it was 10, even if
it was five, I mean, you know,

945
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:22,480
there's nothing we can do, we
can do to deter a Chinese

946
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:27,480
blockade or invasion of Taiwan.
It's going to happen this year

947
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,200
or next year, I I guarantee it.
And we could deploy, we could

948
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,240
double the number of our nuclear
submarines.

949
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,560
We could move all of our nukes,
you know, what few we have left

950
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,240
in Europe.
And we can move them to East

951
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:42,720
Asia or on US Pacific Fleet
carriers as I proposed.

952
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,240
And they'd do it anyway because
it's their number one goal.

953
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:48,800
You know, it's kind of their
nuclear red line.

954
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:53,920
It's, you know, it's just as if
it's very similar to the case

955
00:58:53,920 --> 00:59:00,760
where, you know, the US expanded
its empire into, into Ukraine,

956
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:05,640
made it another protectorate or
imperial dependency and, you

957
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:10,640
know, kept moving troops and
bases and missiles into Ukraine

958
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,960
with within our, a 300 mile
range of Moscow.

959
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:18,320
So, you know, Taiwan's different
because, you know, Taiwan

960
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,720
doesn't pose a threat to China.
We don't have troops, you know,

961
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,440
we have 300 troops, but they,
they're likely armed.

962
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,880
But they waited 75 years.
I mean, 75 years of failed

963
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,600
diplomacy, you know, Putin,
Putin had 15 years of failed

964
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,200
diplomacy.
So neither Russia or China want

965
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,280
war with the US.
They've done a lot to avoid it,

966
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,880
but they're both willing to
fight us if, if we attack them

967
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,480
first.
So if we, if we defend Taiwan

968
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:48,440
militarily, if we take active
measures to break the blockade

969
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:54,240
by shooting down Chinese planes
and seeking their warships, it's

970
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,280
no holds, no holds barred, you
know, and same thing with

971
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,600
Russia.
We send 10s of thousands of

972
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:04,480
troops, you know, start.
Having massive missile strikes

973
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,960
and Russian troops, he'll just,
you know, he'll take us out with

974
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,480
that power.
And you know, that's, that's the

975
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,720
end of of the US as a, as a
country, not just as a

976
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,760
superpower, probably as a
country as well.

977
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,560
So, you know, we, we had a lot
of gains in the Cold War.

978
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,720
You know, we expanded NATO to
Eastern Europe.

979
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,200
All the entire Warsaw packed is
now part of NATO.

980
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,480
We can keep all those gains.
You know, my message is we can,

981
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,480
you know, all those countries
can remain part of the US sphere

982
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,880
of influence, or at least kind
of pro western, you know, maybe

983
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,160
not protectorates.
Like I don't think Eastern

984
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,920
Europe should have any U.S.
military guarantees that we

985
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,240
could, you know, NATO can
continue to exist along its

986
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:53,160
current borders and all we, you
know, all we have to do is

987
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,520
compromise on Taiwan and Ukraine
and then threats.

988
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,080
It's essentially over.
You know, we we fight them on

989
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:03,200
trade under the economy.
Obviously we have to maintain a,

990
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,480
you know, strengthen our
military, strengthen our missile

991
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,760
defenses built, you know, double
the size of our nuclear arsenal.

992
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,040
But we can, we can survive as a
country.

993
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,200
And So what I've been doing is
I've been championing what I

994
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,520
call a national security
strategy of an assured national

995
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:24,600
survival that accomplishes that.
But you know, it's we just don't

996
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,200
have the leaders that we need to
have that are realists.

997
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:32,600
You know Cole, you know,
realists of the, you know, Cold

998
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,720
War style realists that that
understand the limits of US

999
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:39,560
power and what we need to do to
ensure our our national

1000
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:41,080
insistence in preventing a
nuclear.

1001
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:46,600
War OK, so I got just a couple
more questions here because I

1002
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,920
know, you know, you're kind of
up against some time here, but

1003
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:54,760
we talked about what it would
look like for China to take out

1004
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:58,320
nine to 10% of our GDP if they
start trading with us.

1005
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,640
It's catastrophic, right?
It's hard to fight a war if

1006
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:03,360
you're hungry.
I mean, that's just all there is

1007
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:04,640
to it.
Army's got to eat.

1008
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,400
You got to be able to to fund
those.

1009
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:11,640
What does it look like if we get
hit by that massive cyber attack

1010
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:13,680
or that super EMP that you
talked about?

1011
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,000
What's the conditions on the
ground for the family?

1012
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,800
I mean, you know, our critical
infrastructure is, is what

1013
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,280
sustains life.
You know, essentially it's, you

1014
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:30,720
know, 20th century electric
power technology, industrial

1015
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:34,600
technology that is what has
enabled the US population to

1016
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:42,360
grow from 38 million in the late
1880s to let's see, 285,000,000

1017
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:49,360
American citizens today.
So we have 5051 point 6,000,000

1018
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:53,760
non citizens, illegals and and
legal immigrants in our country.

1019
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,720
So you know, that's a combined
population of 336 million.

1020
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:02,760
So without that, you know,
people will begin to run out of

1021
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,040
food.
There won't be any food in the

1022
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,800
you know, food in the grocery
stores will be gone in three to

1023
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:10,040
seven days.
You know, the storage centers

1024
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:13,400
might last a couple weeks if we
can drive, you know, have access

1025
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:18,040
to it, you know, Walmart and
Costco type storage centers.

1026
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:24,600
And the water will, will, will
not stop flowing, you know, so

1027
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:29,880
people that don't have water
sources will, you know, begin to

1028
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:31,960
die.
People starve to death.

1029
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:38,600
Roving roving mobs will, you
know, kind of games will attack

1030
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:42,360
people just for their food and
other stuff take over their

1031
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:43,920
houses.
What and whatnot.

1032
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:48,680
Law enforcement will breakdown
emergency emergency services

1033
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:52,080
will will be gone, hospitals
won't be able to function, cars

1034
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:55,000
won't work.
Now, of course, if we if it's a

1035
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,680
cyber attack, all of that can be
temporary.

1036
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:01,080
As I said, you know, because a
cyber attack can be turned on

1037
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:06,080
and off by our enemies, It's
possible we could have some kind

1038
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:11,120
of mitigation that makes it so
you know, power in some areas

1039
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:14,360
can be restored with along with
gas supplies.

1040
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:18,320
But I think chances are pretty
high that that would not happen

1041
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:24,040
unless we had a negotiated peace
where that's, you know, they

1042
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:29,480
agreed to do that.
So yeah, it'd be the US would,

1043
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:31,160
you know, wouldn't be able to
function. the US government

1044
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,800
would not be able to function.
You know, sure, a lot of our top

1045
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,400
elite leaders would have their
bunkers.

1046
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:41,320
You know, a lot of billionaires
and, you know, people that are

1047
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:46,040
worth 100 million plus will have
safe areas where they, you know,

1048
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:49,320
they've have their own private
militias and deep underground,

1049
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,840
they can ride out of nuclear
war, whatever the case might be.

1050
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:56,280
But for the average American,
it's doesn't own a farm, you

1051
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,640
know, or lives in an urban area.
It's gonna be a lot of mayhem

1052
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:04,320
and scenes we haven't seen
since, you know, Book of Mormon

1053
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:08,320
days.
How much cooperation is

1054
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,560
happening between Russia and
China right now?

1055
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,320
Is any of this coordinated?
Is it, are they like, hey, the

1056
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,800
enemy of my enemy?
Is my friend kind of a thing?

1057
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:21,360
Or are they just pursuing
separate interests, and those

1058
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,680
separate interests just happened
to cross American lines, so to

1059
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,920
speak?
So I wrote a never published

1060
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,160
book about the Cider Russian
Alliance.

1061
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:34,560
I started writing at 95.
I mostly finished in 97.

1062
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:38,640
I just never got it published,
but essentially that the focus

1063
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,240
of the book was the threat from
the Sign of Russian Alliance.

1064
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:44,360
So The Sign of Russian Alliance
didn't actually become

1065
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:48,840
formalized until July 2001.
I was worried about it way

1066
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:52,600
earlier in the 90s.
And then when I was getting my

1067
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:56,680
second master or second graduate
degree at Georgetown University

1068
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:01,960
from their School of Foreign
Service, I wrote an oral thesis

1069
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:06,600
that I had to defend.
And I, I, my thesis was the site

1070
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,160
of Russian alliance, military
alliance will be the, the

1071
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,720
greatest existential threat the
US will face in the 21st

1072
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,600
century.
And our, the entire focus of our

1073
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,640
national security strategy
should be figuring out how to,

1074
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:22,800
how to divide, disrupt and break
it up.

1075
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:27,640
And no one, I mean almost no
one.

1076
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,080
Like if I, I did, I would do
searches, you know, all, all

1077
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:38,040
through like 2020, even to some
extent 2021, you know, to see if

1078
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:39,880
anyone else believed the same
way as I did.

1079
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,800
And almost no one did, like the
national security experts, no

1080
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:46,160
one, no one really admitted,
with, with a few exceptions,

1081
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:50,920
that that Russia and China were
military allies until 2022 when

1082
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:54,960
on February 4th at the Beijing
Olympics, XI and, and Putin

1083
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:59,600
announced their, you know, no
limits partnership, which they

1084
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,360
said was greater than alliance.
Like we're, we're not just

1085
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,480
allies.
We're, you know, there's no

1086
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,320
limits to how far we'll go for
each other.

1087
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:11,920
So you know, China of course has
been, has provide massive aid

1088
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:16,280
to, to Russia throughout the,
the war in Ukraine, mostly in,

1089
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:20,480
in the area of military
strategic resources.

1090
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:27,120
So strategic minerals and
industrial resources to maximize

1091
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:31,320
Russia's military production of
tanks, aircraft, missiles,

1092
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,560
drones, etcetera.
And that was that's really the

1093
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:38,160
the best thing that, that, that
Russia needed the most important

1094
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,720
thing that that will help them
defeat Ukraine.

1095
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:46,240
But also they provided, you
know, combat drones from almost

1096
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:50,280
from the beginning and other
weapons that you know, that most

1097
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,200
people don't don't know about
that they've they've been

1098
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,920
helping out with.
But essentially what the Cyber

1099
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,840
Russian Alliance is.
And I, you know, I discussed

1100
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:02,400
this at length with Vivek
Ramaswamy, who I worked for when

1101
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:04,600
he ran for president as his
defense and foreign policy

1102
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:06,560
adviser.
And he flew me up to his

1103
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,760
headquarters in Ohio and I
briefed him back in May and

1104
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:14,400
subsequently.
But you know, the Cyber Russian

1105
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:18,640
Alliance, it's a real alliance
and it's, but it's a defensive

1106
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,240
alliance.
So when I say defensive, it

1107
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,760
essentially what it, what it,
the terms are is if the US

1108
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,960
attacks Russia directly, China
will come to Russia's aid

1109
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:30,479
militarily.
They'll enter the war, whether

1110
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:34,399
that's establishing a, you know,
invading Taiwan, attacking

1111
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:38,040
Japan, attacking U.S. military
bases, they'll essentially open

1112
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:41,520
a new front.
And essentially it's the same

1113
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:47,040
thing for for Russia.
If China is attacked by the US

1114
01:08:47,399 --> 01:08:51,680
over a war in Taiwan, then
Russia's job is to, you know,

1115
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:55,520
establish a second front to draw
off U.S. forces as well attack

1116
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:57,479
US, NATO bases, whatever the
case might be.

1117
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,160
So the thing about treating is,
is we never, you never know for

1118
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:04,120
sure if an ally is actually
going to go to war.

1119
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:08,279
For example, with regards to
NATO, we have Article 5 of the

1120
01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:11,120
Atlantic Charter.
It doesn't actually commit the

1121
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,640
US to go to war.
A lot of people say it's, it's

1122
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,880
an ironclad commitment we'd have
to go to war or because World

1123
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:21,240
War three, if Lithuania got
invaded or Estonia, that's not

1124
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:22,960
true.
You know, we could send a

1125
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:26,560
strongly worded letter to Russia
protesting the invasion and then

1126
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:30,720
send them, send them some small
arms and that would be, we would

1127
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:32,880
be fulfilling our obligations
under Article 5.

1128
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,319
So it's a very weak, it's a very
weak alliance.

1129
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:41,640
So what I'm, what I'm trying to
say is, you know, you never know

1130
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,359
if an ally would go to war until
it actually happens.

1131
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,240
So I can't guarantee, I think, I
think that if, if Russia got

1132
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:51,359
attacked, I, I do think China
would attack Taiwan, but mainly

1133
01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:53,920
just because that's what they,
they're planning to do it

1134
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:58,520
imminently.
But if I, I can't guarantee that

1135
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:02,280
if, if, if the US were to attack
China, I don't know if Russia

1136
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:06,000
would attack this directly back,
but I, I think they would, they

1137
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,360
would probably, they'd probably
take over all of Ukraine.

1138
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:12,080
They'd probably just, you know,
ramp up and do it that way and

1139
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:15,000
that if the US intervened, then
they would strike us and destroy

1140
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,720
us directly is what I would,
what I would anticipate.

1141
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:24,800
Holy cow.
OK, and then let me ask you

1142
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,280
this.
This is something I've often

1143
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:29,200
wondered.
I'm a land surveyor by

1144
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:32,040
profession, and there was a time
I went down with a pretty

1145
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,440
significant knee injury.
So I actually just did a ton of

1146
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:41,320
reading and one of Russia has
always kind of fascinated me,

1147
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,800
right?
I remember being a very young

1148
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,200
kid, right?
I remember when the Berlin Wall

1149
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:50,080
came down.
I remember, you know, I, I

1150
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:53,440
remember the, the, the thing, if
I'm not mistaken, is either when

1151
01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:56,720
Russia fell officially or the
wall came down.

1152
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,880
It was Saturday morning and I
was really irritated because I

1153
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:03,040
was trying to watch cartoons and
Dan Rather pops up and like,

1154
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:06,360
hey, you want to wake up your
parents, kids sort of a thing.

1155
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:11,520
But since that time, I've always
kind of been fascinated with

1156
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,680
with what what happened there.
And then also where that leaves

1157
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:18,000
Russia now, because it's always
felt like they were a bit of an

1158
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,000
enigma a little bit.
And I, I happen to stumble

1159
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:25,280
across 4th political theory,
something written by a guy named

1160
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:28,640
Dugan, Alexander Dugan, if I'm
not mistaken, how much?

1161
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:32,720
And I understand that he's got a
little bit of, of clout over

1162
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:34,600
there.
Do you know much about him?

1163
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,880
Do you know any you know any
particulars there?

1164
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:43,080
Yeah, I think Dugan's talked
about, you know, how Putin

1165
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:46,120
should act to re establish some
kind of Russian empire along the

1166
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:50,840
their 1800 borders, which
actually leaves a number of of

1167
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:55,320
former Soviet republics out.
I don't I don't think they would

1168
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:56,920
include the the caucus
republics.

1169
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:01,560
For example, Moldova wasn't part
of the Russian Empire at that

1170
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:03,160
point.
I think there were areas of

1171
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:05,160
Ukraine that weren't part of
Russia.

1172
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:12,120
I think Poland, yeah, Poland was
partially part of Russia, just

1173
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:15,760
like kind of an eastern part,
maybe the area like Belarus,

1174
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,760
essentially, and maybe western
Ukraine.

1175
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:22,200
So, you know, I used to think
that maybe that was Putin's

1176
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:26,840
final plan.
But once the Putin withdrew all

1177
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,200
Russian troops out of northern
Ukraine, I realized that he's

1178
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:30,800
not an imperialist.
He's just not.

1179
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:32,160
I mean, that's not what he's
about.

1180
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:34,560
He doesn't want to take over
regions.

1181
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,360
The war in Ukraine had nothing
to do with territory whatsoever.

1182
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:40,680
He was willing to withdraw all
Russian troops out of Ukraine

1183
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,800
from the beginning of the war
until September of 2022, when

1184
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,760
he's like, fine, you guys are
going to make peace with me.

1185
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,720
I guess I'll have to enact some
territory, get your attention.

1186
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:51,920
So that's that's kind of what he
did.

1187
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,400
It wasn't, it was his Plan B.
It wasn't his, his main

1188
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:57,880
priority. the US, of course, you
know, we have an empire.

1189
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:01,680
It's not, it's not like a
tyrannical empire like, you

1190
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,760
know, the Soviets had or the
Nazis had or anything like that

1191
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:08,080
or the British even had.
It's more, you know, it's a,

1192
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:11,320
it's a benevolent empire, but
it's an empire nevertheless.

1193
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:12,960
You know, we're Republican, an
empire.

1194
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:17,120
And essentially we have all
these protectorates and all

1195
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:21,280
these countries depend on us for
their defense in in return, they

1196
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,440
allow us to control their
defense policy.

1197
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:27,600
You know, they're kind of almost
facile states in some instances,

1198
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:31,000
even Germany to some extent.
You know, I mean, we, we bombed

1199
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:32,760
the the crap out of their
infrastructure.

1200
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:37,800
You know, Nord Stream was half
German owned, was an unprovoked

1201
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:41,160
attack on a NATO ally by the US
and the US.

1202
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,320
And Germany didn't say it didn't
say IP.

1203
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:47,080
They just took it.
You know, of course they're, you

1204
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:48,400
know, there's, there's reasons
for that.

1205
01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:52,080
You know, we, we educated that
Riesenau rejected them to become

1206
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:55,840
self loathing pacifists.
And then we get mad at them.

1207
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,800
You know, we destroy their
country and took a third of

1208
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:01,400
their land away and and now we
get mad at them because they

1209
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:03,960
don't spend 2% on defense.
You know, it's pretty

1210
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,880
hypocritical.
But that's, that's a whole

1211
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:11,600
different story.
But yeah, it's, I don't, I don't

1212
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:16,520
give Dugan any, any weight.
I don't think, you know, I think

1213
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:20,240
Putin likes him because he's a
nationalist like Putin, but I

1214
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:23,520
don't think I like Putin really
gives way to his theories in

1215
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:27,360
terms of retaking territory.
So he's not that influential in

1216
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:31,920
in your estimation.
I think Russia likes him.

1217
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:33,480
I think, I mean, Putin likes
him.

1218
01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:37,200
I think he's, you know, he's a
friend, but I don't think he

1219
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:38,840
sets policy at all, is what I'm
trying to say.

1220
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:39,960
Perfect.
Nope.

1221
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:45,640
Perfect.
In your estimation, do you think

1222
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:48,960
we can still avoid a hot war
with Russia and China?

1223
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:50,520
Or do you think we've gone too
far?

1224
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:57,320
I think it's the, I think it's,
it'd be very simple, extremely

1225
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:59,280
simple to avoid a war with
Russia and China.

1226
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,480
It couldn't be any more simple
in theory.

1227
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:07,400
And all all we need is a is a
president of the United States

1228
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:11,200
like Trump who's willing to do
the right thing for America and

1229
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:15,040
invert World War three.
The problem is I don't think

1230
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:18,160
Trump's going to win.
Trump's leading Biden by 5

1231
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:19,800
points.
And that the poll, the poll that

1232
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,160
I consider the most reliable
right now, even after his

1233
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:25,120
conviction, he lost, he lost
seven points from that used to

1234
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,560
lead him by by 12 points.
But I think Biden's going to

1235
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:30,280
steal the election.
I, I think they, I mean,

1236
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:32,680
they're, we're led by Gadia and
Roberts right now.

1237
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,480
Essentially, it's a mafia cartel
of Marxist.

1238
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,200
That is what the Democrat
Party's become.

1239
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:42,840
They've weaponized, you know,
federal law enforcement agencies

1240
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:46,960
against, against their
opponents, not just Trump, but

1241
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:54,360
the J Sixers and you and me, you
know, and you know, we don't

1242
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:57,880
live in a free Republic anymore.
It's it's sad for me to say

1243
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,320
because, you know, I was willing
to put my life on.

1244
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:03,800
I never served in combat, but I
was a combat arms officer,

1245
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,440
armored officer in the Army
during the 1990s.

1246
01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:12,560
But yeah, I mean, we've we've
let it slip away.

1247
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,600
And there's there, you know,
when when you're in a kind of a

1248
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:18,800
dictator dictatorship type
country, as we're, as we are

1249
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,080
under Biden.
And that can change if Trump

1250
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:27,080
wins, we can be free again.
But you there's the chances of,

1251
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:30,520
of liberating yourself are very,
very low.

1252
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:33,240
You know, a lot of people say
like, oh, we want the people to

1253
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:35,160
rise up against Putin and
liberate Russia.

1254
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:36,800
I don't think Russia needs to be
liberated.

1255
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:39,640
I don't think, you know,
Putin's, you know, he's a bad

1256
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:44,160
guy, but he's not that bad.
You know, he's certainly someone

1257
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:47,040
we can work with.
He's not a mass murderer like Xi

1258
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:50,360
Jinping.
But there's, there's really, you

1259
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:53,600
know, I had this discussion
earlier this week on a different

1260
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,960
a different podcast and we were
talking about, you know, what

1261
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:00,520
could we do?
And my answer was we should

1262
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:05,360
never, ever commit any acts of
violence against the US

1263
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,920
government or anyone else for
that matter, but the, you know,

1264
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:13,640
except foreign invaders.
For if for the only reason, you

1265
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:16,560
know, I'm more, I'm not a
pacifist, but you know, I'm a

1266
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,880
latter day St.
So I I just don't support that.

1267
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:26,120
But for if for only the if for
the only reason that, you know,

1268
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,880
they have F sixteens, they have
nukes, They have, I mean, they

1269
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:34,360
have the army and the military
and they would, you know, I

1270
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:37,320
mean, be we'd be crushed.
I mean, Tiananmen Square, the

1271
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:39,760
anniversary of Tiananmen Square,
which is 2 days ago.

1272
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:46,080
And you know, it's said that
China massacred 10,000.

1273
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:49,760
It was likely closer to 100,000.
It was like maybe 50 to 100,000,

1274
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:53,120
probably 80,000.
And they just ran over them with

1275
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,040
tanks.
I mean, just stuff like that,

1276
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:58,320
just machine gun them.
A lot of patriots and freedom

1277
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,360
fighters.
And as a result, there's no

1278
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:03,360
freedom fighters really left in
in China.

1279
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:07,280
There's no forces, there's no
possibility, even remote

1280
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:10,720
possibility of China ever being
liberated short of nuclear war

1281
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:16,560
and, you know, state collapse.
So that's what happens, you

1282
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:21,040
know, in in, you know, in
dictatorial authoritarian states

1283
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,520
is, you know, people try to
change.

1284
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,240
You know, it's not like during
the Revolutionary War where, you

1285
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:32,840
know, it was all kind of, you
know, muskets and smooth wore

1286
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:36,360
rifles where, you know, you
could actually challenge the

1287
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:39,120
government militarily and and
actually, you know, having

1288
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:43,000
fairly level playing field.
So, yeah, we're in a terrible

1289
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,120
situation.
You know, I think either aid

1290
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:48,720
applies in the Book of Mormon,
you know, wakes your awful

1291
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:54,120
situation and we need to turn
turn back to God and and be as

1292
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:57,360
faithful as we possibly can.
And I think the Lord will bless

1293
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:01,920
us if we if we do so.
Just two more questions, then

1294
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:03,400
I'm gonna let you go.
I apologize.

1295
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:05,120
I'm holding you over just a
little bit here.

1296
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:07,200
But I find this stuff so
fascinating.

1297
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:13,160
There's no doubt if if we were
to do what, what you are saying,

1298
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:17,000
right, which I don't necessarily
think can be discounted and

1299
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,920
certainly isn't a bad idea.
But there is a sense of retreat

1300
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:26,720
a little bit in this, right.
And again, that is probably the

1301
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:29,800
prudent course at this point
because we are in no condition

1302
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:33,680
to fight a war.
We're just not, I mean, quite

1303
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:38,160
frankly, I I'm not sure we have
the stomach for it yet and we

1304
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:39,840
certainly don't have the
infrastructure.

1305
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:44,560
For it.
The the thought of just taking

1306
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,640
that loss and and retreating
from the world stage a little

1307
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,600
bit there.
Is there something that we can

1308
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:53,840
do to come back after that?
Do we rally things at home?

1309
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:55,800
Do we start producing more stuff
at home?

1310
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:59,960
I mean, when I look and see that
90% of the world chips world's

1311
01:19:59,960 --> 01:20:06,720
chips are made in Taiwan, an an
exorbitant amount of our

1312
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:10,560
pharmaceuticals come from China,
not much, not to say anything.

1313
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:14,560
You know about the cheap crap
that we buy from Walmart that we

1314
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:18,160
buy even more during hard
economic times, right?

1315
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:20,440
What?
What do we do in the aftermath

1316
01:20:20,440 --> 01:20:25,280
of that?
Well, you know, I, I almost, I

1317
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:28,680
almost have to have to laugh.
I mean, not, not what you're

1318
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:31,040
saying, because I think what
you're saying is so is so

1319
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,120
representative of what people,
Americans feel like what they've

1320
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:37,240
been indoctrinated believe.
It wouldn't be a retreat.

1321
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:42,000
I mean, first of all, Ukraine, I
mean, yeah, I guess you could

1322
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:46,200
say it'd be humiliating whatnot,
because we've invested so much

1323
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:47,960
in it.
Taiwan.

1324
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,320
I mean, we have 300 troops here.
We don't have a a single, you

1325
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:54,760
know, we have three tiny
military bases in Taiwan.

1326
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:57,640
I just don't see it as a
retreat.

1327
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,960
You know, we don't have we don't
have any helicopters.

1328
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:03,000
We don't have, I mean, maybe we
have a couple.

1329
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,160
We don't have any airplanes.
We don't have any ports, naval

1330
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:08,560
bases.
We don't have any missiles.

1331
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:13,360
So I just don't see yeah, I
don't see that as a retreat.

1332
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:16,680
Ukraine, We we've had have so
much invested that I think that

1333
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:18,160
would be viewed as more of a
retreat.

1334
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:23,480
But I, you know, I, I'm one who
and maybe I'm part of an

1335
01:21:23,480 --> 01:21:28,240
extinct, almost extinct species,
you know, the so-called

1336
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,880
isolations.
We never had isolations there.

1337
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,280
There was never any isolations
in America.

1338
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:38,240
We had a debate between what I
call the hemispheric hegemonus

1339
01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:41,920
and the global hegemonus and the
global hegemonus won and the

1340
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:45,880
hemispheric hegemonus lost out.
And those were the America first

1341
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:49,040
folks.
So thanks to Donald Trump, you

1342
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:52,120
know, we've resurrected, you
know, the America first

1343
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:54,480
movement, but it's not, you
know, it's not quite the

1344
01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:58,520
hemispheric superpower crowd
that, you know, kind of focus

1345
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:02,360
that I think it we should have.
Because if, you know, the bottom

1346
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:05,720
line is, and what I've been
saying for almost 20 years now

1347
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:09,360
is if we were to pull out all
our all our military bases from

1348
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:12,200
Europe and Asia, Russia and
China would leave us alone.

1349
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:13,760
North Korea would leave us
alone.

1350
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:17,480
Iran would leave us alone if
they only want to attack and

1351
01:22:17,480 --> 01:22:21,480
destroy us because we, we're
provoking them.

1352
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:25,000
You know, we're, we're trying to
expand our spirit influence in

1353
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:27,120
our empire right up their
borders.

1354
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:32,000
Not in the case of Israel or
Iran, rather, you know,

1355
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:34,640
obviously, you know, North
Korea, we've had, we've been in

1356
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:39,240
South Korea since since the end
of World War Two.

1357
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:43,520
And Korean War, of course, never
really, never really ended.

1358
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:45,320
You know, we're still
technically at war with China

1359
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:48,320
and North Korea, but I mean,
that's really the issue.

1360
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,680
The issue is, you know, we're
we're in their faces, we're in

1361
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:54,880
their backyard.
We're poking in the eye and all

1362
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:56,760
we need to do is have like a, a
buffer zone.

1363
01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:00,680
You know, Russia talks about the
need for a buffer zone where and

1364
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:02,440
that's really what Putin really
want.

1365
01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:06,120
You know, in, in his in his
security agreement that he asked

1366
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:09,200
for.
It was all about he didn't say

1367
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:12,560
or NATO needs to receive by one
square inch.

1368
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:17,320
He just said, you know, Western
troops need to withdraw from

1369
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:20,120
Eastern Europe.
And so they would, you know,

1370
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:23,240
under, under my national
security strategy, we would

1371
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:28,640
return to that, which is it's
not pre 1999 or 1997 that he's

1372
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:30,520
asking for or that I think we
should do.

1373
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:34,880
It's it would be pre July 2016
because we didn't have any

1374
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:39,480
troops in Eastern Europe until
July 2016 under Obama in his

1375
01:23:39,480 --> 01:23:44,240
last last year.
So, yeah, I don't view it as a

1376
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:45,720
retreat.
Certainly it would be

1377
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:48,720
retrenchment.
Retrenchment is a national

1378
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:51,320
security strategy where you do
kind of pull back your severe

1379
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:55,480
influence at the fringes.
But, you know, a retreat to me

1380
01:23:55,480 --> 01:23:58,120
would be like pulling out of a
point out of NATO.

1381
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:00,680
And again, I don't view that as
negative.

1382
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:04,280
I think that would be extremely,
that would make the US so much

1383
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:08,800
safer and more secure.
You know, I don't support

1384
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:15,080
pulling out of, you know, Japan,
obviously, or South Korea, but

1385
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,200
you know, I think those are two
countries that are, are we can

1386
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:20,960
defend long term.
And I, you know, North Korea's

1387
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:24,840
on a short leash.
If we attack China, North Korea

1388
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:27,200
will be unleashed and they,
they'll invade South Korea and

1389
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:30,000
we'll be in a war on, you know,
three to four fronts against

1390
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,360
three to four nuclear
superpowers or nuclear powers.

1391
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:36,440
So, you know, as you said, it's
just, it's just unwinnable.

1392
01:24:36,440 --> 01:24:39,440
We're, it's not, it's not that
we're not in a condition to

1393
01:24:39,440 --> 01:24:41,920
fight three to four nuclear
powers at the same time.

1394
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:46,040
It's that we're unable to fight
when a war gets even one nuclear

1395
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:50,920
superpower at one time.
So, you know, when you're, when

1396
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:53,040
you're strong, you get to be a
bull.

1397
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:56,440
The biggest boy in the block is
General Powell famously stated

1398
01:24:56,440 --> 01:25:00,120
during the Iraq war hearings.
And you can invade whatever

1399
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:03,240
country you want unprovoked and
get away with it.

1400
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:06,320
And that's the way the US acted
in Iraq.

1401
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:11,640
But when you're weak, you have
to, you have to make hard

1402
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:12,960
choices.
You know, it's kind of like

1403
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:16,440
having a lot of money or having
you, you can be a bear, you can

1404
01:25:16,440 --> 01:25:19,120
do whatever you want essentially
on the world stage.

1405
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:23,560
But if you, if you're, you know,
you're living paycheck to

1406
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,160
paycheck, your choices are very
limited.

1407
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:28,480
And that's kind of, you know,
we're not quite to that point.

1408
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:31,880
That was kind of an extreme,
extreme example, but it's it

1409
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:35,760
kind of gives you an idea of you
know, when you have less

1410
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:39,520
military forces, when you know
the enemy has six times more

1411
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:44,080
nuclear weapons than you do,
when their industrial power is

1412
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:47,480
they can make China alone can
make weapons five to six times

1413
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:49,960
faster than we can in terms of
advanced weapons.

1414
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:54,280
They can build ships and
warships 200 and 3032 times

1415
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:57,400
faster.
So even if it was just a purely

1416
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:00,800
conventional war, no cyber, no
super EMP, no counter space,

1417
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:05,800
they would still beat us, sweep
across the Pacific and then

1418
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:08,720
decide whether to invade the US
West Coast or blow us away

1419
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:12,200
Hiroshima style at the end of
the war.

1420
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:18,880
Man, so let me ask you this
with, with all this that you

1421
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:25,280
just laid out, if you were, you
were a betting man.

1422
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:27,480
I know you're not, you're an
LDS.

1423
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:29,640
You're you're, you're, you're a
good LDS guy.

1424
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:32,800
I know you're not a betting man,
but if you had to wager, what do

1425
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:35,760
you think the chances are that
this ends up in a hot war with

1426
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:42,800
Russia and China at this point?
I think it's 50% we have a 50%

1427
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:45,960
chance of being in in a World
War by the end of the year.

1428
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:50,720
And it and it really it's all it
just rests with Biden.

1429
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:54,520
You know, it's not like I said,
China and Russia don't walk a

1430
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,920
direct war with the US.
But if only we have decent

1431
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:00,720
president, you know, we could
trust, you know, instead of a

1432
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:04,560
doddering old fool that probably
wears depends.

1433
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:07,640
First, you know, first president
in U.S. history wears an adult

1434
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:11,400
diaper.
You know, as it appears that he

1435
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:15,560
he had to change his diaper in a
limousine just today or earlier

1436
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:21,920
today or yesterday at the D-Day
celebration, the 75th

1437
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:23,600
anniversary or 80th anniversary,
I guess.

1438
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:28,880
But he just, you know, if, if he
if he would just, you know, I

1439
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,880
joke about this.
It's, it's kind of, it's funny,

1440
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,480
but it's, it's also crazy at the
same time.

1441
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:37,960
If he would just remember that
he's a Chinese controlled agent

1442
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:42,280
and that he's not supposed to go
to war against China and the US

1443
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:44,480
is gonna be all right.
I mean, I, I do think, I think

1444
01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:48,400
there would be, I think there's,
there would likely be a very

1445
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:51,480
deep recession or depression,
whether we go to war against

1446
01:27:51,480 --> 01:27:54,560
them directly or not, because I
think that there will be, he'll,

1447
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:57,800
he'll feel pressure to do
massive sanctions on China.

1448
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:03,240
Maybe not massive, but, you
know, pretty severe, like stuff

1449
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:07,440
we haven't done since, you know,
since Nixon in terms of, you

1450
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:13,160
know, trade being reduced then,
you know, yeah, we go through a

1451
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:15,240
depression.
It's not maybe it's not as bad

1452
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:17,680
as the Great Depression and then
we recover, we bounce back.

1453
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:22,520
So, yeah, it's really depends on
whether he remembers that that

1454
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:25,560
he's a Chinese agent or not.
If, if he forgets and he, he

1455
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,920
says what he the same crap that
he said four times in a row

1456
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:33,800
before the last time that the US
is obligated by treaty to defend

1457
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:36,520
Taiwan, which we haven't been
since 78 or 79 when he was in

1458
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:42,120
his 30s in the Senate during the
Carter years, then, you know, I

1459
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:45,600
think we can, we have a very
good chance of avoiding war with

1460
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:47,280
China.
The problem is, as I said, I, I,

1461
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:50,360
I fear an accidental conflict
clash.

1462
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:55,080
Like if he he, you know, keeps
talking tough and he sends or

1463
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:58,400
sends naval forces all the way
up to the to the line, which he

1464
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:01,720
kind of does in, you know,
Russia, you know, where he he

1465
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:03,720
goes all the way up to the
nuclear red line.

1466
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,000
And then he says, OK, I won't
cross the nuclear red line.

1467
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:09,560
But then he keeps trying to push
the nuclear red line farther

1468
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:11,320
just just to see how far I can
go.

1469
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:14,720
And then at some point, you
know, China, Russia are going to

1470
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:19,320
go, OK, you kept crossing it and
we're just going to wipe you

1471
01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:20,440
out.
They won't have to worry about

1472
01:29:20,440 --> 01:29:22,560
you anymore.
And, you know, of course they

1473
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:25,400
don't want to do that for the
trade reasons, you know, they'll

1474
01:29:25,440 --> 01:29:28,600
dial an economic downturn, but
they're willing to do it.

1475
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:32,480
You know, and I think we're
foolish.

1476
01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:37,320
I think US leaders, I, I mean,
I, I watch Fox News and I hear

1477
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:39,240
all these US leaders talking
about, you know, like Speaker

1478
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:40,880
Johnson, they're completely out
of lunch.

1479
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:43,720
He's, he's talking about how the
US is that, you know, we're

1480
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,520
still the greatest military
superpower.

1481
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:49,120
I mean, that hasn't been the
case since at least the 90s,

1482
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:53,480
maybe never.
I mean, certainly we were at the

1483
01:29:53,480 --> 01:29:56,920
end of World War Two and we, we
were actually in the 60s,

1484
01:29:56,920 --> 01:30:02,600
fifties, 60s and early 70s.
We were absolutely, we were the

1485
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:04,880
strongest military superpower on
the planet.

1486
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:06,600
I don't think we necessarily
have been since.

1487
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:10,520
And we had this illusion that,
you know, just because Russia

1488
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:14,160
didn't oppose NATO expansion
militarily, it's because they

1489
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:17,120
were, they were too weak.
That's not true.

1490
01:30:17,440 --> 01:30:19,160
They could have, I mean, they
could have easily, they could

1491
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:22,880
have done to Poland in 1999 what
they're doing in Ukraine right

1492
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:25,800
now before Poland joined NATO
and we wouldn't have fought

1493
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:28,920
them.
I have another article I'm

1494
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:32,520
working on that, you know, but
I'm, I'm really big in altered

1495
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:35,040
history.
But you know, it's, it's all

1496
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:37,880
about, you know, Russia is,
they've been led by leaders who

1497
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:40,600
are pro peace, who are not
imperialists.

1498
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:45,080
You know, enemy threat is
adversarial threat is determined

1499
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:48,280
by intentions and capabilities.
Russia's had the capability to

1500
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:51,040
destroy us since at least the
early 60s.

1501
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:56,400
The the ability to nuke us since
1951 to some extent.

1502
01:30:56,480 --> 01:31:00,160
And but they haven't had the
intention, you know, since the

1503
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:02,920
fall of this Soviet Union, they
haven't had the intention to

1504
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:06,960
destroy the US.
It's something they that they'd

1505
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:10,280
be reluctant to do, but they
would do if we went to war

1506
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:13,920
against them directly.
So I'm hoping and praying that,

1507
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:17,240
you know, that Biden doesn't
listen to his advisers when, you

1508
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:21,120
know, China blockades Taiwan,
doesn't listen to idiots like

1509
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker Johnson, Mitch McConnell
and Lindsey Graham.

1510
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:31,440
And he listens to, you know,
saner folks urging him to pursue

1511
01:31:31,440 --> 01:31:33,760
a, you know, cautious response
and de escalate.

1512
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:37,600
And if he de escalates both with
regards to Ukraine, you know,

1513
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:40,840
some there have been some rumors
that he's he's planning on

1514
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:43,840
making peace with Putin over
over Ukraine after the election,

1515
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:47,640
but he's afraid to do it before
because he thinks it might make

1516
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:51,320
him look weak.
So I was subscribing to that

1517
01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:55,840
until recently.
I think it's he's just as he's

1518
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:59,600
probably more likely to escalate
at this point because he's just

1519
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:02,440
so such a fool and idiot.
And and he's got horrible

1520
01:32:02,440 --> 01:32:06,360
advisors that are urging him on,
taking him on to pursue this

1521
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:11,400
policy of national suicide.
So, yeah, I mean, we can't have

1522
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:14,720
a lot of confidence in Biden,
but absolutely there's 50%

1523
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:16,800
chance that we we survived the
year.

1524
01:32:17,440 --> 01:32:22,760
What should the average Mormon
family do to prepare for the

1525
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:23,600
worst?
Right?

1526
01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:27,640
I'm a big believer in you plan
for the worst and then you you

1527
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:31,160
kind of hope for the best.
Well, the number one thing to do

1528
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:36,640
is is to turn back the Lord
become as close to God as

1529
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:39,160
possible.
You know, repent of our sins.

1530
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:42,000
I mean, I, I have a lot to
repent of myself.

1531
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:45,360
I make mistakes every day.
You know, you want to have a bug

1532
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:46,880
out plan.
You want to store as much food

1533
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:50,920
and water as possible, medicine,
different supplies like that,

1534
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:54,960
life saving pharmaceuticals.
If possible, you want to

1535
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:58,320
relocate to a rural area.
If you have any possibility to

1536
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:01,400
have your own food production,
you know, do that.

1537
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:04,680
I've always said if I was a rich
man, if I was a millionaire,

1538
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:06,480
I'd, I'd buy myself a small
farm.

1539
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:10,880
They'll be the best off.
You know, the, the new currency

1540
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:14,480
will be food.
So if you have massive food

1541
01:33:14,480 --> 01:33:19,240
storage, if you have a farm,
you'll be upper class, you know,

1542
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:23,160
people will come to you and you
can barter whatever you need and

1543
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:25,880
you know, people will be depend
on you for for supplies and

1544
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:30,040
whatnot.
If you can't, if you're unable

1545
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:34,840
to relocate to rural area, then
you want to be able to have a

1546
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:37,760
bug out plan.
So think of friends or family

1547
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:40,800
that live well outside
population, you know, populated

1548
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:43,760
areas.
The more world, the better, the

1549
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:48,040
safer.
And you know, I live, I happen

1550
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:51,920
to live in an area that has more
cat, more cattle and livestock

1551
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:55,120
than people.
So I made recently made that

1552
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:57,840
move a few years ago.
So I feel a lot safer now.

1553
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:01,320
I was previously in the kind of
the Salt Lake suburban area.

1554
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:05,720
So yeah, those are those are my
recommendations.

1555
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:10,760
You know, solar panel, solar
power, I think solar power power

1556
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:15,880
generators are are the way to go
in terms of power needs.

1557
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:18,440
Well, David, that was good
stuff, man.

1558
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:21,360
What?
Look, I always say this, you've

1559
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:23,720
been on here once, you got a
standing invitation to come back

1560
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:27,320
on.
As things get get further along

1561
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:30,240
here, would you mind coming back
on and just updating every so

1562
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:31,320
often?
Absolutely.

1563
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:33,920
Yeah, absolutely.
So I really enjoyed this.

1564
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:37,080
I appreciate your time.
Let's talk about your sub stack

1565
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:38,800
real quick.
Where can people find you out

1566
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:42,360
out there on sub stack?
Yeah, so it's the real war

1567
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:46,120
newsletter.
It's a DPYN e.substack.com once

1568
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:51,320
again, DPYN e.substack.com.
So I published, I don't know,

1569
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:54,560
hundred 150 articles over the
past couple years.

1570
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:59,640
I, some of my articles are
lengthy because, you know, I

1571
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:04,840
deliberately choose not to
publish like short 700 to 1000

1572
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:07,760
word pieces because I just don't
feel you can really write

1573
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:11,600
anything of substance.
Like with with where, you know,

1574
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:14,880
1000 I think is probably the
minimum where you can write an

1575
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:16,440
article that actually has
meaning.

1576
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:19,880
And, you know, I'll, I'll find
all these articles that, you

1577
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:22,480
know, online that the titles
sound great.

1578
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:24,960
You know, it sounds like
something that that would really

1579
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:26,480
make a difference, make people
think.

1580
01:35:26,480 --> 01:35:28,720
And then you read it and it's
like 700 words and it doesn't

1581
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:31,960
say anything.
So, yeah, some of my articles

1582
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:35,960
are pretty long and that's why I
don't publish as often.

1583
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:39,280
I'd rather publish, you know,
like four articles a month that

1584
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:43,440
are substantive than, you know,
one every day 'cause I could, I

1585
01:35:43,440 --> 01:35:46,160
could, I could write, you know,
like four times a week.

1586
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:50,280
But yeah, go to, go to, you can
sign up.

1587
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:53,480
As you know, viewers can sign up
either as a free subscriber.

1588
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:57,320
Almost all my articles are free
at this point.

1589
01:35:57,320 --> 01:36:00,360
There are certain things that
are for pay premium or paid

1590
01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:05,040
subscribers only, but I, I think
that my archive gets cut off

1591
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:08,000
after three, three weeks.
So my best articles are ones

1592
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:09,920
that I published more than three
weeks ago.

1593
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:13,040
Of course, you know, grand
strategy, all kinds of different

1594
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:16,280
stuff.
So I had to, I had to try to,

1595
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:18,840
you know, subscribe under a
different and log in under a

1596
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:21,040
different e-mail address to see
if I can access them.

1597
01:36:21,480 --> 01:36:24,920
But yeah, it's just 599 a month
if you want to be a paid

1598
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:27,240
subscriber of 59 a year.
So not too bad.

1599
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:29,920
Perfect.
Anywhere else I can find your

1600
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:32,360
work?
You publish anywhere else?

1601
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:35,920
Yeah, so the the national
interest, if you look up just do

1602
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:39,560
a search David Pine national
interest, you can find my

1603
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:42,320
article archive.
From there stretches back to I

1604
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:45,000
think 2018.
I've also done some like

1605
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:49,920
alternate World War 102 history.
And then of course, if you type

1606
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:53,560
my name in Amazon, you'll you'll
find the book I co-authored is

1607
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:56,080
actually written under them.
Peter Prye, who's who's our late

1608
01:36:56,080 --> 01:37:03,720
executive director and I was I
was this the 2nd.

1609
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:07,760
So there's multiple authors,
multiple contributors rather and

1610
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:10,480
but I was one of only three Co
co-authors and I wrote the

1611
01:37:10,480 --> 01:37:13,360
second most in the book.
It's called catastrophe now.

1612
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:17,360
Fantastic.
Well, man, again, thank you so

1613
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:19,320
much for coming on.
It was enlightening.

1614
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:24,200
So, and like I said, I'd love to
have you back on here and, and

1615
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:27,320
maybe a couple of months, right,
just because I think, I think

1616
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:30,560
the closer we get to the
election, I think the more we'll

1617
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:34,120
start seeing things shake apart
both at home and abroad.

1618
01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:36,960
So definitely in a couple months
I'd like to ask back on.

1619
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:41,800
Yeah, let's do it again after
the Trump sentencing, or maybe

1620
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:43,240
after the Republican National
Convention.

1621
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:45,360
July sounds good.
Let's do it.

1622
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:49,840
OK, awesome.
Thanks so much for having me on.

1623
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:51,280
All right.
Bye everybody.