Episode #129: Be Not Deceived-Recognizing Wolves In Sheep's Clothing W/Taylor Smith

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In the Gospel of Matthew,
chapter 23, verses 23 and 24,

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the Savior himself warns us that
in the last days there would be

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many that would come along to
try and deceive the followers of

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Christ.
It says Then if any man shall

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say unto you, lo, here is Christ
or there, believe it not, For

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there shall arise false Christs
and false prophets, and shall

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show great signs and wonders,
insomuch that if it were

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possible, they would deceive the
very elect.

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Now, I'm not breaking any news,
but those days are officially

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here, be that Phil Davis who
started the Doctrine of Christ

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movement, Denver Snuffer, or any
of the other various leaders of

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some of these movements that
have sprung up.

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They all seem to have one thing
in common, and that is they all

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seem to claim an experience with
the Savior without following the

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patterns and ordinances the Lord
established through the prophet

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Joseph Smith to have those
experiences.

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Today on the podcast, Taylor
Smith joins me to talk about an

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essay that is in the works that
tackles this very subject.

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Taylor breaks down the
scriptures and teachings from

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Joseph Smith and other early
Mormon leaders that clearly

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talks about the criteria needed
to have these experiences with

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the 2nd Comforter, and shows
that without certain ordinances,

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those visitations just simply
aren't possible.

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Now along the way we find that
we touch on everything from the

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Adam God doctrine to
Freemasonry.

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So buckle up for an epic
conversation that just may spare

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you or your loved ones the pain
of being deceived.

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You're listening to the Mormon
Renegade podcast.

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Taylor, how's it going?
Good.

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How you doing, Dave?
Goodman Dude, another essay.

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Do you ever get carpal tunnel
just from, like, typing away?

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I mean, holy cow.
Oh no, I'm a classical pianist.

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If I was ever going to get
carpal tunnel, they'd be from

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that.
Well, that's true.

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That's true.
And you are.

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You are good at that.
I've heard, I've heard a couple

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of things.
And yeah, you're you're good at

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that.
And it's always impressive,

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right?
I got big old meat hooks for

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fingers, so there's no like.
I never even pretended that I

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could could even do that.
They they forced me to take band

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One year in junior high and I I
suck.

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Let me guess, did you play
trombone?

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I did.
I did 'cause the the they.

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Didn't even know I just.
Figured Trombone's the the big

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one, right?
No, no, that's the bass.

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You played the like the tuba.
The tuba.

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Yes.
That was the one.

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The big one, right, 'cause I was
like, well, give me that one.

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That one.
I I guess, you know, I'm the

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biggest one here.
It makes sense that I do that.

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And I sucked.
I sucked.

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I mean, there's no doubt.
There's no two ways about it,

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dude.
I remember the OK, horrible

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admission time.
I remember just like, I was like

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halfway through the semester.
And that's what they made you

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take in junior high was like a
semester, right?

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And I'm halfway through the
semester.

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And the band teacher, he looks
at me and goes, are you having a

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good time?
And I'm like, well, it's not

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horrible.
And he's like, this may not be

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your thing, right?
So he's like.

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Trying to gently.
Yeah yeah out the door he was

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like we I understand you have to
take this but this is definitely

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not your thing.
You should stick to athletics.

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That's that's more that's more
up your alley kiddo.

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This the yeah you're you're not
gonna.

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Go back helmets.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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He's like, it was the most
polite way anyone's ever said,

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Yeah you suck at this so yeah,
but so when when I hear guys

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like you that can play and I've
heard you play before, I'm like

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woo, but not not in my
wheelhouse brother.

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Yeah, it's it's just, I mean,
it's part of me.

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It's something I love.
And it's hard to find the time

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with seven kids.
Like most people would just say

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that's impossible.
Like, you're insane.

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But hey, we're making it work
somehow.

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Yeah.
Yeah, So.

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That's awesome.
That's awesome.

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So what's this essay about?
So this essay so it's a working

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title and it's it's kind of a
work in progress.

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So what we'll probably do is
I'll just go through some of the

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current draft and you know I
reserve the right to improve

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make improvements or or whatnot.
I I plan to probably publish it

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on my blog which is likened dot
blog.

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It's kind of just likened you
know likening the scriptures to

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ourselves type of thing concept
and and the working title is

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just the second comforter.
I don't know if that might

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change.
But it feels that I mean at the

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moment that just feels like
probably the the best title for

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this essay and that.
You know, and I I've compiled a

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bunch of, you know some
scriptures a lot of historical

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quotes and and you know to
present some ideas that I hope

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you're gonna be really helpful
to a lot of your listeners,

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'cause, I mean the 2nd comforter
is is one of those things that

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everybody, well, not everybody.
A lot of people have never even

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heard of or really explored it
And and particularly in the

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church, like I was born and
raised in the church and it was

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not something that was ever
talked about.

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Hardly.
And And you know sometimes like

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I remember in like seminary or
even institute, it was you know,

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I would, I would hear something
about it or I'd come across it

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in a scripture or or a maybe a
quote somewhere in history And

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and so I'd like ask my teacher
who I loved my teacher.

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He was a really knowledgeable
dude.

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His name was Calvin Stevens and
just a really great guy and he

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was basically not 100% willing
to speak freely on the topic and

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for obvious reasons and and so
like it was just not one of

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those things that you heard
about or talked about much

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within the LDBS church framework
and and the the you know it is

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sacred and this is a subject to
approach with great like caution

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and you know care and and the
spirit.

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But at the same time it's kind
of a shame that it's not more

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widely discussed in in LDS
circles simply because when you

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don't know anything about it you
become vulnerable to other guys

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who can come along and can maybe
start making some of these

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claims and whatnot.
So you know, that's a a big part

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of the the topic tonight that
I've prepared isn't just on the

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subject of of the second
comforter, it's also detecting

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false people.
You know deceivers out there.

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Yeah.
Can you move your mic up just a

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little bit?
You're.

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Oh.
There you go, That's.

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Better.
All right.

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Sorry about.
That no you're good.

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You know the the other thing is
is that it it is something

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within Mormonism right.
It's not it's not even really a

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matter of opinion it's it's
something that's there but

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sometimes and and I can see how
people could get there right

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they well I guess first we
should define what the 2nd

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comforter is.
I think that would be kind of a

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good place to start but a lot of
people in seeking after this

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they get excited and and we can
understand why right because it

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is a very holy experience and
and as Mormons I think we're all

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geared to this idea of of having
these these for lack of a better

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term mystical experiences right.
And and we we want those, we're,

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we're, that's kind of the
problem, some Mormonism, right,

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is that those are one of those
things if you put in the work,

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it can be available to you.
Yeah, yeah.

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And honestly, the fact that it's
being neglected or ignored so

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much is is, you know, kind of
tragic.

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Like there's a lot of scriptures
out there that talk about how,

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you know, ancient.
For instance, in second ephi

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chapter 32, he's talking.
In fact, since you brought it

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up, that might be a really good
place to start.

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And let's just pull out the
scriptures and we'll go through

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a couple of these verses, just
for anyone that maybe is not

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familiar with this subject or
this is kind of a new thing,

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just just to provide a good
foundation.

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So second ephi chapter 32.
And so at the end of chapter 31,

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obviously it's talking about,
you know, the first principles

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and ordinances of the gospel,
faith, repentance, baptism by

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immersion, receiving the gift of
the Holy Ghost, and then and

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then following the Holy Ghost
into whatever it leads.

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And so second, Ephiber, chapter
32 just is basically a

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continuation of that sermon.
So, OK, now that you've been

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baptized, received the gift of
the Holy Ghost, then what?

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And now behold, my beloved
brethren, this is just verse

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one.
I suppose that ye ponder

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somewhat in your hearts
concerning that which ye should

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do after you've entered in by
the way.

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But behold, why do you ponder
these things in your hearts?

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Do you not remember that I said
unto you, that after you'd

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received the Holy Ghost you
could speak with the tongue of

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angels?
And now how could you speak with

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the tongue of angels?
Save it?

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We're by the Holy Ghost.
Angels speak by the power of the

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Holy Ghost.
Wherefore they speak the words

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of Christ.
Wherefore I said unto you, feast

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upon the words of Christ.
For behold, the words of Christ

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will tell you all things, what
you should do.

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So that's kind of a lot of
words.

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It it's it's like they're not
like advanced words, but these

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concepts are quite advanced.
And so even though they're,

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they're not using like these
advanced vocabulary.

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Basically.
So receive the Holy Ghost that

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allows you to.
It gives you the capability.

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Doesn't mean you will, but it
gives you the possibility of

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speaking with the tongue of
angels, and which you can't do

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except with the power of the
Holy Ghost.

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And angels speak by the power of
the Holy Ghost and they speak

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the words of Christ and so feast
upon the words of Christ.

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For behold, the words of Christ
will tell you all things what

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you should do.
So this is basically the key

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saying the Spirit will tell you
what to do next.

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And and if you have the spirit,
you could even speak the words,

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you know it, it could come in in
various forms.

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It could be in the form of you
know, you just receive words

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into your mind or you know hear
some people hear an audible

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voice.
I've never had that experience.

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Some people just they get this
conviction, it's like instantly

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like a download of celestial
data that just oh, I know and

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then they and then they know.
But you know there's other ways.

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You know, I have had an
experience of I was praying

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about a question once and and I
was in this prayer and and I

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began to speak it kind of like
similar to how when you're given

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a priest a blessing, you don't
know exactly what you're going

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to say.
You're just kind of letting the

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words flow.
And I was kind of surprised and

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and like shocked, so pleasantly
surprised but shocked to hear

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the words, the answer to this
question come just right out of

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me.
So that was kind of a weird

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experience.
But you know, it's it's

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possible.
And so, and that's actually what

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one of the things that's kind of
being described here in second

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Ephi, chapter 32, verses 2
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And then verse four.
Moving on, now, after I've

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spoken these words, if you
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be because ye ask not, neither
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Wherefore you are not brought
into the light but must perish

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in the dark.
So he's like, if you don't get

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it, that's on you and it's your
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asking the right questions and
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And then so therefore you can't
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going to stay in the dark.
And then verse 5, Where?

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Behold again.
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I say unto you that if you will
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the Holy Ghost, it will show
unto you all things what ye

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should do.
OK, so again he's like, OK, in

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case you missed it the first
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Ghost, you, the Holy Ghost will
guide you after you've entered

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in.
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this is the doctrine of Christ.
There will be no more doctrine

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given until after he shall
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flesh, And when he shall
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flesh, the things which he shall
say unto you shall ye observe to

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do.
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interpretation of 2nd ephi. 32,
verse six within LDS circles is

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he's like, oh, this is talking
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You know when Christ visits the
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And you know, that's definitely
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was fulfilled.
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like Nephi is writing these
words not just to the posterity

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that was going to be born, like
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He was writing this to all of
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future readers in our day.
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narrow to to limit it to just
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of Christ in the flesh to the
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So I would suggest that these
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available to all who have
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received baptism and and and
he's like, OK, so you you enter

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by the way, you get baptized,
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then you do what the Holy Ghost
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Holy Ghost will lead you into
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Christ.
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connected with Christ in the
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instructions and then you follow
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right.
That's in in the 1st 6 verses.

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And and now now for seven I And
if I cannot say more, the Spirit

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stoppeth mine utterance, and I
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unbelief and the wickedness and
the ignorance and the stiff

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neckedness of men.
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knowledge or understand great
knowledge when it's given unto

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them in plainness, even as plain
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He's he's saying this in plain,
like, obviously English is what

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we're reading it in.
But you know he's be speaking

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this as plain and clear as he
can think of, and people still

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aren't getting it.
And he's the spirit tells him

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you can't keep going.
And he's mourning because of

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unbelief, which would be the
false beliefs, not just the lack

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of faith, but the false beliefs
that people refuse to let go of

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and wickedness, ignorance, stiff
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And then verse 8.
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bit here, because might as well.
It's only 9 verses long.

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And now, my beloved brethren, I
perceive that you ponder still

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in your hearts, like you still
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And it grieve with me that I
must speak concerning this

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thing.
For if you would hearken unto

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the Spirit which teaches the man
to pray, you would know that you

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must pray.
The evil spirit teaches not a

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man to pray, but teaches him he
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But behold, I say unto you, that
you must pray always, and not

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faint, that you must not perform
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Save in the 1st place.
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in the name of Christ, that he
will consecrate thy performance

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unto thee, that thy performance
may be for the welfare of thy

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soul.
So obviously I'm I'm putting in

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my understanding and and
perspective, but I I think it's

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really hard to deny what that
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the second comforter so.
Right, so basically and and

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correct me if I'm wrong here,
'cause I I wanna make this

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clear, 'cause I feel like
sometimes if we leave it

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unambiguous and I'm not trying
to be to toss this around

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lightly, I'm not, but I'm trying
to to connect the dots as

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clearly as I can.
What this is talking about is is

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kind of a progression, right?
You get baptized, you just

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follow the gift of the Holy
Ghost, which would would

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probably be other things like
getting your ordinances done,

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those sorts of things.
Then you begin to qualify for

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something a little more special,
which is a personal visitation

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by deity, correct?
Yeah, and that is and and, and,

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so if people are listening to
this podcast and you've never

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heard of other people making
these claims, then count your

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blessings, Hallelujah.
I'm glad.

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This will empower you to be much
more prepared, 'cause it's

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probably just a matter of time
before that is going to happen.

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It's not a question of if, but
probably when and so, so, so

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basically the there are a lot of
people out there making claims

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of having had this, you know,
visitation of Christ in the

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flesh and and so forth.
Inverse and effort.

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Oh, holy cow.
Sorry.

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I I had a lot.
Yeah, No, Missouri, lots of

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pollen.
My, I apologize.

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And Denver's not the only now
he's one of the more prominent

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folks that in, at least in
recent years, that's that's been

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making this claim.
But he's certainly not alone and

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and they seem to be cropping up
and well so tell you what if

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it's all right with you, Dave,
I've I've written this out and I

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kind of I I feel like I'm a much
better writer than Speaker in.

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General, I mean you want me to
share your tough you wanna share

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your screen?
But yeah, if that's all right,

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maybe I'll just kind of read out
loud and then we can pause and

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and have conversations.
Absolutely.

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Let me as.
We go along.

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There you should.
You should be good to go now.

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Now my man.
All right, let's see.

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Can you see that?
I sure can.

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All right.
And so it's it's currently just

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in the Google Doc, but hey, that
that works.

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So basically I'll just kind of
dive in.

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I my, I wanted to lead out by
quoting section 88, verse 68

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from the Doctrine and Covenants
which says sanctify yourselves,

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that your minds become single to
God.

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And the days will come that you
shall see him, for he will

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unveil his face unto you, and it
shall be in his own time and in

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his own way and according to his
own will.

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So yet again, this is really
kind of undeniable that this is

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a scriptural at least in
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Maybe not.
I mean, there's some John

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Chapter 14 and and there's some
things in the Bible that allude

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to this, but it's it is about as
explicit as you could ask for in

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the Scriptures of the
Restoration.

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And and so yeah, just in case
anybody was like, whoa, what are

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you guys smoking at this?
You know it's it's there.

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And and so one of the one of the
most beautiful and sacred

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doctrines of the Restoration is
the promise that if the Saints

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qualify themselves for it, any
individual can have the

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experience of meeting the Savior
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Unfortunately, a large majority
of people in the Church and

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other branches today have
forgotten or have misunderstood

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this doctrine, which has given
rise to certain people claiming

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to know how to obtain the
experience, who then sell books,

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give talks, use social media and
other tools to draw followers,

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and even create movements
centered around seeking after

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the experience.
This phenomenon is a fulfillment

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of the prophecies of Christ
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which in the inspired version
it's also like in the Pearl of

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Great Price, Joseph Smith,
Matthew that's this chapter

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here.
And I'm going to quote from

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verses 5 through 6 and then skip
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And then verses 21 and 22, and
I'll just kind of read it all

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together here.
And Jesus answered and said unto

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them, Take heed that no man
deceive you, For many shall come

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in my name, saying, I am Christ,
and shall deceive many, And many

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false prophets shall arise, and
shall deceive many.

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And again after the tribulation
of those days which shall come

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upon Jerusalem, if any man shall
say unto you, Lo, here is

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Christ, or there believe him
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For in those days thou shalt
also arise false Christs and

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false prophets, and shall show
great signs and wonders,

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insomuch that if possible they
shall deceive the very elect,

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who are the elect according to
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Wow.
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Christ recorded in Matthew.
The inspired version kind of

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does give a little bit of extra
detail and clarity throughout

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that that chapter.
I mean this is plain as day and

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and take heed it's kind of an
archaic expression not not

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really in use these days but it
just basically means watch out

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and so and he so so I cite these
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This is a high stakes question.
Christ himself warned, must be

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approached with great caution
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It is good and natural for any
true St. to desire heavenly

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visitations and face to face
communion with the Savior.

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But this desire can be easily
manipulated into following a man

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or men who claim they know the
way and can help you get there.

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You know I.
I remember a story of of a guy

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who had a following and I
believe it was a woman who came

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to him and said look what what
about the 2nd comforter?

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When when do I get to see that?
And the the the basically it was

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well you need to pay more
tithing so to speak and so she

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does.
She pays a whole bunch tithing

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and then when it's time, he said
OK, yeah you're ready now And

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basically he stands up and he
says I am Christ, right,

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basically reincarnated.
And look if that offends some

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who were were in that group, I
apologize.

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But that's the kind of
shenanigans we can see happening

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and that is the danger in this,
right?

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Is that if this doesn't, if this
doesn't come through a legit

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channel and I think we'll talk
about those channels later and

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how to get there, There is some
danger here and absolutely and

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and that would be one of those
instances where where it is a

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literally a false Christ popping
up and and taking that.

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Yeah, I am actually familiar
with that story and I know

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exactly who that individual was
and some of those circumstance.

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So, yeah, that that is a thing.
And and so let's consider this

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question.
What's more dangerous, something

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that's 100% a lie or something
that's 95% true and only 5% a

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lie.
Well, it would be the 90, the

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one that's 95% true and 5% a
lie, right?

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Because just just like Moses
when he in in the Pearl of Great

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Price, when the adversary came
to him, he didn't come in

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darkness, he came with light
right And and it was it was one

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of those things that if you
weren't in tune it would have

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been real easy to be over
overcome with that artificial

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light and and so that's that's
why I would say that that 95%

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true, 5% a lie is more dangerous
than a complete lie.

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Right, 'cause, you know, 100%
lie is obviously more false, but

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it's it's way easier to discern
something that's just obviously

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false.
It's and a lie.

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Whereas something that's, you
know, mostly true, almost

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completely true, but only a
little lie mixed in is much more

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dangerous, 'cause that makes it
a lot harder to detect that lie.

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And and Satan's a master, it
given us 99 truths in order to

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get us to accept just one lie.
And and so this is a true

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doctrine, the doctrine of the
second comforter.

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It's undeniable.
It's taught in the scriptures.

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It was taught by Joseph and many
other brethren in the early days

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and even to today.
Like there are people who would

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I would say are grounded, who
also teach some of about some of

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these principles and so like it.
It is a truth.

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This is a true doctrine.
But it it's it's not something

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that it's it's the so the
challenges that men and or

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demons have taken this true
principle and used it to deceive

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many people.
And and so like.

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The purpose of this article is
just to present this evidence

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from the scriptures, the
teachings of Joseph, and other

448
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,000
historical records to clarify
the correct path, the true path

449
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,400
to obtaining this glorious gift,
as well as the criteria which

450
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,480
must be met before such an
outcome can be expected.

451
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:53,360
Which the corollary here is you
now have qualifying questions

452
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:55,480
that you can ask these
individuals that you're going to

453
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,480
see or that you have met who are
making these claims.

454
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,520
And it's going to empower you to
be able to ask them the correct

455
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:08,040
questions to figure out if they
are telling the truth or if they

456
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,080
are imposters deceiving.
Perfect.

457
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,440
Yeah, I like it.
All right.

458
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,880
So the next place I want to go,
I've titled this the cautionary

459
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,160
tale of Francis G Bishop.
And you know this.

460
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,880
This is a story that comes from
church history during the winter

461
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,480
of 1832 and 33.
It's kind of obscure, not widely

462
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:34,440
known these days, but it teaches
a powerful lesson, and it

463
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,040
directly applies to this subject
that we're discussing tonight.

464
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,080
So I'm going to just quote this
one.

465
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,960
Francis Francis G Bishop, an
elder in our church, was very

466
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,280
anxious to be ordained a high
priest.

467
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,920
But he was not considered a
proper candidate to fill the

468
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,160
office at that time, and his
urgent solicitations to be

469
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,760
promoted to the high priesthood
confirmed that the Saints, in

470
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,000
the opinion that he wanted a
high station without meriting it

471
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,760
or without being called by the
Spirit of God to that work.

472
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,440
He was sent forth into the world
to preach in capacity and

473
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,760
calling of an elder.
But he was not long out before

474
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,360
he declared himself to be a high
priest, and that he was ordained

475
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,880
from heaven.
This made much stir stir in the

476
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,960
branches of the church and also
in the world.

477
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,760
But when the news of his
proceedings reached the Prophet

478
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:29,120
Joseph, he called Bishop home.
Forthwith he was so he Francis

479
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:31,920
Bishop was introduced into the
school of the prophets, and

480
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,080
they're closely questioned.
Upon his course.

481
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,440
He said he was ordained by an
Angel to the high priesthood.

482
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,920
Yet on a more close examination,
he crossed his own testimony and

483
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,160
statements, became confused, and
blushed with shame and guilt.

484
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,680
He fell down upon his knees and
confessed that he had lied in

485
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,720
the name of the Lord, begged to
be forgiven, and cried aloud for

486
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,880
mercy.
We all forgave him, but we could

487
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,560
not give him our confidence, for
he had destroyed it.

488
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,280
Brother Joseph observed to
Brother Francis Bishop that he

489
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,360
knew that he had lied before.
He confessed it that his

490
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:10,280
declarations were not only false
in themselves, but they involved

491
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,200
a false principle.
An Angel said Joseph, may

492
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,480
administer the word of the Lord
unto men and bring intelligence

493
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,640
to them from heaven upon various
subjects.

494
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,720
But no true Angel from God will
ever come to ordain any man,

495
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,640
because they have once been sent
to establish the priesthood by

496
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,120
ordaining me thereunto.
And the priesthood being once

497
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:35,600
established on earth with power
to ordain others, no heavenly

498
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,680
messenger will ever come to
interfere with that power by

499
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:44,800
ordaining any more he he Joseph
speaking Joseph referred to the

500
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,520
Angel that came to Cornelius,
and told Cornelius to send for

501
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,600
Peter.
But if there had been no Peter

502
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,880
with keys and power to
administer, the Angel might have

503
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,200
done it himself.
But as there was, the Angel

504
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,800
would not interfere.
Saul was directed to go to

505
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,720
Ananias for instruction, and to
be administered to by him.

506
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,400
But if there had been no Ananias
with power and authority on the

507
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,080
earth to administer in the name
of Christ, the Lord might have

508
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,080
done it himself.
You may therefore know from this

509
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,320
time forward that if any man
comes to you professing to be

510
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,400
ordained by an Angel, he is
either a liar or has been

511
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,000
imposed upon in consequence of
transgression by an Angel of the

512
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,400
devil.
For this priesthood shall never

513
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:30,520
be taken away from this church.
Now I wanted to lead with this

514
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:35,200
because this just this just
clarify so not and Joseph he's

515
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,320
speaking authoritatively.
He's making like very definitive

516
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,920
statements which he had every
right and authority to do that

517
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,240
as the prophet of the
Restoration.

518
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:48,160
But he's also backing it up with
other scriptural support and and

519
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,160
examples that he's citing and
and so I mean this is not just

520
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,880
something that is is applicable
to our day.

521
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,320
This is an everlasting principle
all throughout this creation

522
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,680
that once the priest has been
established on the earth, angels

523
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,600
can minister to men and women,
but they are not going to ordain

524
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,960
or because that would be
interfering and that that would

525
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:15,120
be chaos like you know, and and
so and just to kind of talk

526
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:19,360
about the site site, the source
here so this is from Orson Hyde.

527
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,880
It was published in November
1846 in and, but he's referring

528
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,640
to Joseph Smith's testimony
concerning men being retained by

529
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,240
angels delivered in the School
of the Prophets in Kirtland.

530
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:37,280
OH, so pretty solid resource
right there.

531
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,320
Yeah, and and I want to drive
this point home because this is,

532
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,800
to me, this is super important,
right?

533
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,560
So if if if a dude comes to you,
and I'm just gonna always use

534
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,520
examples because I'm dense and
that's how I learn the best.

535
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,440
So I assume that there's got to
be at least one guy in the

536
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,560
audience who's might be as dense
as I am.

537
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:01,560
But if some dude comes to you
and says, guess what, the Lord

538
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:06,040
just ordained me a king and a
priest over all the world, you

539
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,920
can put that to bed.
And there how you know is just

540
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,840
like this experience showed.
If there's a man on the earth

541
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:19,160
that can pass that along, it
will go from man to man without

542
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,520
an Angel actually doing it
right.

543
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,440
Yep, exactly.
Perfect.

544
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,600
All right.
And so on a later occasion,

545
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,640
Joseph publicly taught.
So.

546
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,640
So you might say, well, this was
not contemporaneously recorded.

547
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,320
This was, you know, recorded 15
years after the OR, you know, 13

548
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,320
years after the fact.
And, you know, and some people

549
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,200
maybe not, maybe wouldn't accept
Orson Hyde, as you know, because

550
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,560
obviously this is after the
martyrdom that Orson Hyde

551
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,360
publishes this account.
And I don't know if they were

552
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,760
taking minutes in the 1830s
Kirtland School of the Prophets,

553
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,080
at least not like they did
later.

554
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,000
But anyway, so, but just to kind
of settle any doubts that may be

555
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,280
out there or objections people
might raise, there was a public

556
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,640
instance where Joseph taught
this story of Cornelius was

557
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,280
referenced in the Orson Hyde
account.

558
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,680
And and he's teaching this exact
same principle.

559
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,640
So this is from March 20th,
1842.

560
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,640
So a couple years before the
martyrdom, it's in the History

561
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,680
of the Church, volume four, page
555.

562
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,640
And it's also on the Joseph
Smith papers online.

563
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,840
And this is the statement Joseph
Smith makes publicly.

564
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,560
That's that's very recorded and
documented quote.

565
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,400
There is a difference between
the Holy Ghost and the gift of

566
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,680
the Holy Ghost.
Cornelius received the Holy

567
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,800
Ghost before he was baptized,
which was the convincing power

568
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,760
of God unto him, of the truth of
the gospel.

569
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,880
But he could not receive the
gift of the Holy Ghost until

570
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,760
after he was baptized.
Had he not taken this sign or

571
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,600
ordinance upon him, the Holy
Ghost which convinced him of the

572
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:59,080
truth of God would have left him
so the Spirit, the Holy Ghost,

573
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,440
can work with individuals who
have not been baptized, but it

574
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,440
will not abide.
It will, It will.

575
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,800
It will.
It will leave eventually, if the

576
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:16,520
ordinances are not observed and
followed after afterward, and so

577
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,840
later in that same year.
In 1842, this is September 1st.

578
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,760
Joseph clarified this principle
in another discourse quote.

579
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,200
The Angel told Cornelius that he
must send for Peter to learn how

580
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,720
to be saved.
Peter could baptize and angels

581
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,080
could not, so long as there were
legal officers in the flesh

582
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,440
holding the keys of the Kingdom
or the authority of the

583
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,840
priesthood.
There is one evidence still

584
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,480
further on this point, and that
is that Jesus himself, when he

585
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:48,120
appeared to Paul on his way to
Damascus, did not inform him how

586
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,840
he could be saved.
He Jesus had set in the Church

587
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,280
firstly apostles and secondly
prophets for the work of the

588
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,800
ministry, and as the grand rule
of heaven was that nothing

589
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,200
should ever be done on earth
without revealing the secret to

590
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,200
His servants, the prophets.
So Paul could not learn so much

591
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,440
from the Lord relative to his
duty in the common salvation of

592
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,040
man, as he could from one of
Christ's ambassadors called with

593
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,080
the same heavenly calling of the
Lord and endowed with the same

594
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,320
power from on high, so that what
they loosed on earth should be

595
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,800
loosed in heaven, and what they
bound on earth should be bound

596
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:26,719
in heaven.
So this is, this is something

597
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:32,800
that Joseph consistently taught
as early as Kirtland 1832 and

598
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:36,560
then through like at the end of
1842.

599
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,719
Like these are just a couple of
public discourse examples that

600
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:44,880
I've been able to pull together
here And and Joseph even taught

601
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:50,440
later that even Jesus.
So like so John the Baptist held

602
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,320
legitimate ironic priesthood and
the fact that that was there

603
00:34:54,600 --> 00:35:01,600
even Jesus Christ himself was
required to submit to John the

604
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,400
Baptist and his priesthood and
this is also from history the

605
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,080
church it's comes it's in the
words of Joseph Smith.

606
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,920
Anyway quote there was a legal
administrator and those who were

607
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,600
baptized were subjects for a
king and also the laws and

608
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,480
oracles of God were there.
Therefore the Kingdom of God was

609
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,240
there, for no man could have
better authority to administer

610
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:26,480
than John, and our Savior
submitted to that authority

611
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,840
himself by being baptized by
John.

612
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,440
Therefore the Kingdom of God was
set up on the earth even in the

613
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,560
days of John.
OK, all right.

614
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,680
And and you know, that's
actually an interesting account

615
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:44,080
to to point to because even John
was like, dude, I'm, I'm not

616
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,320
worthy to do this for you,
right.

617
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,360
And and what does the Lord say,
let us do this, That all

618
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:50,920
righteousness might be
fulfilled.

619
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,000
Right.
And and even the Savior himself

620
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,040
recognizes this pattern, that
no, there's a man on the earth.

621
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,800
He has that authority.
You know, I can't.

622
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,720
I can't expect an Angel to come
down and do it.

623
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:10,120
If there's anybody that ever
graced the earth that could have

624
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:15,200
expected to be baptized by a
heavenly messenger, it was the

625
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,640
Son of God.
But even he, to make sure that

626
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,600
the Kingdom stayed in order to
fulfill all righteousness, again

627
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:27,560
submitted himself to having that
ordinance by a man who had that

628
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,960
authority.
Yep, Yep.

629
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,400
And there's there's a couple of
these things that maybe are

630
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:38,400
maybe a slightly repetitive, but
this is kind of heavy stuff,

631
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,280
heavy meat.
So I don't think there's any the

632
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,400
problem with kind of reviewing a
couple of things.

633
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,000
So I'm going to just continue
reading here.

634
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,440
This is just me.
Again, my commentary.

635
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,400
So these statements speak for
themselves, definitively

636
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,120
settling the question.
If there are any mortals on the

637
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,680
earth who hold the priesthood,
it is impossible to bypass them

638
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,680
and be ordained and visited
directly by an Angel or Christ

639
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,920
himself.
Because after the priesthood

640
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,000
order of God has been
established on the earth,

641
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,520
heavenly beings will not
interfere with it.

642
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,800
So if you're seeing angels who
are willing to ordain or, you

643
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,640
know, do these things, they're
not coming from heaven, they're

644
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:20,040
coming from some other source.
From this principle, we know

645
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,240
that for someone to receive a
legitimate ordination from

646
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,680
Christ or an Angel, a state of
complete apostasy is required.

647
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,520
So like in the case of Joseph
there was no priesthood it was a

648
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,600
a total loss of priesthood from
the earth and and it required a

649
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,080
a heavenly messenger you know
John the Baptist and then later

650
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,440
Peter, James and John to come
and restore it to the OR to to

651
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,440
immortals.
But so that's that's a new

652
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,840
dispensation though.
So therefore whether people

653
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,560
acknowledge it or not anyone who
claims direct ordination from

654
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:59,000
Christ or an Angel today is
rejecting multiple prophecies of

655
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,040
Joseph Smith that this is the
last dispensation.

656
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:04,880
There will not be any more
dispensations and that the

657
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,640
priesthood will never again be
taken from the earth.

658
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,160
If someone wants to make claims
about being ordained by Christ

659
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,760
or an Angel to be intellectually
honest, they must also admit

660
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,920
that they believe Joseph was a
false prophet and the

661
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:22,280
Restoration failed.
To my knowledge only one guy has

662
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,960
claimed that has taken that
position that yeah, Joseph was a

663
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,560
false prophet and the
Restoration failed and I'm, I'm

664
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,960
the new prophet and this is a
new.

665
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,640
I mean and so like that's that's
unique and that's Phil Davis

666
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,320
from the doctrine of Christ for
anybody that is, is aware of of

667
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,680
that individual and and that
group although they are no

668
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,040
longer affiliated.
He was kind of the the founder

669
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,440
of that movement and he was the
one that was making these

670
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,120
claims.
And they they claimed that the

671
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,680
church went into apostasy in the
Kirtland era and they kind of

672
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,560
have a interesting explanation
for it and it was about like the

673
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,080
name of the church was wrong and
so God rejected the church and

674
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,040
like anyway we we don't want to
get go down that rabbit hole but

675
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,080
anyway so he at least there be
at least they are Phil Davis in

676
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,760
the doctrine of Christ are at
least intellectually honest in

677
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:18,200
that one area that they they
they consider Joseph to be a a

678
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,640
fallen prophet and that the
restoration failed and they're

679
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,040
the ones that's gonna get things
back on track.

680
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:30,480
So you know some people have
apparently place their faith in

681
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,720
and and and thrown their lot in
with them.

682
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:40,240
Personally I I I've got a role
with Joseph just AI don't I

683
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:42,880
don't believe that he fell.
I don't think he was a false

684
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,800
prophet and you know and so
therefore when he when Joseph

685
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,680
Smith says that this is the last
dispensation priest is not going

686
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,280
anywhere.
I am going to just take that as

687
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,120
you know the gospel truth.
Yep, Yep.

688
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,320
And.
And I think it's important here

689
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,120
also to point out that you can
like there's a difference

690
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,040
between a a a heavenly
visitation, a second comforter

691
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:12,800
type experience and a vision or
a dream or something like that,

692
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,800
right?
Those those things I think are

693
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,760
fine within this.
But let let's face it, if you're

694
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,360
starting to claim ordination
under either the savior or an

695
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,920
angel's hand, well now you're
talking about a full on visit.

696
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,880
Which would.
You know, conflict with what

697
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,440
Joseph had taught.
Totally and and the word of the

698
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,640
Lord If we accept the Doctrine
and Covenants as containing like

699
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:47,960
the words of God, Let me just
read this from section 84 verse.

700
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,040
We'll just start in like 19 and
read 3 or 4 verses.

701
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,560
This greater priesthood
priesthood administereth the

702
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,840
gospel and holdeth the key of
the mysteries of the Kingdom,

703
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:57,760
even the key of the knowledge of
God.

704
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,480
So in other words, the key of
the knowledge of God.

705
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:05,240
The if you want to know God, you
need the priesthood.

706
00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:06,640
That's that's what this is
saying.

707
00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:09,760
The you know this greater
priesthood, which would be the

708
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,720
Melchizedek priesthood or the
fullness of the priesthood.

709
00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:15,080
Therefore, in the ordinances
thereof, the power of godliness

710
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,640
is manifest.
Manifest means show.

711
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,960
So if you want to have the God
powers of godliness shown to

712
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,680
you, you got to have the
ordinances.

713
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,560
Because.
That's how it happens.

714
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,240
If people So like if.
If people are claiming that you

715
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:34,280
don't need the ordinances, or
that they've had these

716
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,880
experiences without the fullness
of the ordinances, you know,

717
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,560
like that That's just like a
dead giveaway.

718
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:44,160
They are a liar or they have
been deceived by an evil spirit,

719
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,520
a devil.
Right.

720
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:47,880
And without the ordinances
thereof.

721
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,480
And the authority of the priest
of the power of godliness is not

722
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,920
manifest unto men in the flesh.
Now, that probably wasn't

723
00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:00,040
necessary, but it just puts that
nail.

724
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,880
Right.
That you it's just, you know,

725
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,360
makes it undeniable, right?
Without this, in other words,

726
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,400
without the priesthood and the
ordinances, no man can see the

727
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,440
face of God, even the Father,
and live.

728
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,960
You could not survive that
encounter without being clothed

729
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,520
in the priesthood and the
ordinances, symbolically

730
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:21,560
speaking.
Right.

731
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:26,120
Well, and and I think as so many
things are in the gospel, we we

732
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,240
we tend to focus on, on one
thing when really there's

733
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:33,200
multiple multiple facets that go
along with this, right.

734
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,280
And the ordinances are are some
of those things are an example

735
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,000
of some of these, right.
So often we focus on ordinances

736
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,280
as this is for me so I can serve
better or this these are my

737
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,360
exalting ordinances or what have
you.

738
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,680
But also they're kind of there
as a guardrail, right?

739
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:56,720
Kind of a, a way that that you
can be sure that, you know, OK,

740
00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:59,880
has this guy had, you know, his
second anointing?

741
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:03,960
Has he had whatever that that
enables him to receive this?

742
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:08,360
If the answer is no, you have to
look at it with a skeptical

743
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,920
line.
Now, according to DNC 84, right,

744
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:16,480
'cause it tells you you can't
have that experience and expect

745
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,640
to live without first having
these ordinances.

746
00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:21,360
Yeah, you can't survive.
Yep.

747
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:26,720
And so I I think for the sake of
of just being, you know, very

748
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:30,400
humble and honest and sincere
here let's ask some hard

749
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,400
questions that many people
struggle with.

750
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,400
And I mean, I don't currently
struggle with them, but I have

751
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,280
considered these in the past.
I think that they are valid

752
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,680
questions.
And the questions the question

753
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,680
is, might a new dispensation be
necessary?

754
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,000
It like, is it possible the
Restoration failed after Joseph

755
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,760
Smith's death?
Like has the priest have been

756
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,040
lost or has it been preserved?
I would say it's.

757
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,800
And.
Oh, go ahead.

758
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,280
Sorry.
No, you you go ahead.

759
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:01,800
You're good.
That was more.

760
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,680
Yeah, yeah.
And so like anyone who has

761
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,920
studied the changes to
ordinances and unrighteous

762
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,120
dominion that's occurred in the
church and many other groups

763
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,840
since the martyrdom, these are
valid questions which must be

764
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,320
seriously considered, like the
First vision and and other

765
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,080
claims made by Joseph Smith.
These are not questions that can

766
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,040
be definitively settled just by
an appeal to scripture, history

767
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,320
or reason.
You have to have personal prayer

768
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,680
and revelation.
Like I don't care how documented

769
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,280
it was that Joseph Smith claimed
he had a First vision like in

770
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:43,040
1820 in this early spring and in
or you know upstate New York.

771
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,960
Like just because that there's
just because this the claims can

772
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,760
be validated that they were made
historically doesn't prove that

773
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,400
it happened.
So you're going to have to get

774
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,320
revelation.
And I think that this is is a

775
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:02,920
similar situation, but I have
also learned from personal

776
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,600
experience that God rarely
answers questions we do not

777
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:11,920
sincerely ask and rarely also.
God also rarely gives knowledge

778
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,800
and understanding without me
doing significant work, which

779
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,760
would be studying, pondering,
praying to prepare my mind to

780
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,640
receive it.
Not that God couldn't or would

781
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:29,560
give me whatever at any time.
But like you have to be in a

782
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,760
state of preparation to receive
if there's going to be any kind

783
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,080
of, you know, you could, you can
send an e-mail and if the

784
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,880
server's down, it ain't getting
through to the to the recipient,

785
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,680
right?
God could be sending us messages

786
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:47,920
a lot, but if we're not willing
to accept them and receive them,

787
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,600
you know, and it's worthless and
so it So we need to ask the

788
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,800
right questions.
We need to put in the work to to

789
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,600
be capable of receiving these
answers.

790
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,080
And so while the true answers to
these questions are only

791
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,960
possible to obtain with personal
prayer and revelation, I'm going

792
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,760
to present some documented
history and testimony that is

793
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,040
helpful that I find extremely
helpful in coming to the truth

794
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,360
of the matter.
You know so.

795
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:21,160
I I want just interject one
thing here we see Joseph do that

796
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,880
pattern right from the get go.
Right when he goes, when he has

797
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,040
to go to the Grove.
It's not like he the, the the

798
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,560
question just popped into his
mind.

799
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,840
He's like, yeah, you know what I
think I'm a bail on work.

800
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,560
I'm just gonna go over those
trees and just pray.

801
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,200
No.
What does he tell you?

802
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,200
You he does.
Well, first he thinks a lot

803
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,960
about it, right.
He tells you it's weighing him

804
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,760
down a little bit, so he's
pondered.

805
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,840
He had been doing a lot of
scripture study.

806
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,440
I mean, how did he come across
James, 15, if he hadn't been

807
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,120
studying?
Exactly so.

808
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:54,040
So he does a lot of pondering.
Then he gets the idea about

809
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,920
reading the scriptures, find
James, right, and then says, OK,

810
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,960
now I think I have a way to get
started.

811
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,520
And oftentimes that's what
that's all there for, right?

812
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,800
That that, that pondering and
that studying is that that's

813
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,200
kind of like the entryway to
start asking the right

814
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,040
questions.
Yep, 100%.

815
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,520
All right.
This is a quote from Orson Pratt

816
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,880
from 820th of December 1873,
Journal of Discourses.

817
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,840
It's it's a very interesting
idea because he's kind of

818
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,200
dismissing and and refuting an
old sectarian notion.

819
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,960
So I'll just read it.
We should not get into that old

820
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,880
sectarian notion that we have no
right to know anything about

821
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,000
this, that or the other, and
that we must not pry into this,

822
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,000
that or the other.
That is an old sectarian notion

823
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,000
which we have fought against all
the day long and we do not want

824
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,200
it to creep into the Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter Day

825
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,280
Saints.
It is the privilege of its

826
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,640
members to let their minds
expand, and to ponder upon the

827
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,280
things of God, and to inquire of
Him.

828
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,520
And by and by, when we have
prepared ourselves by getting

829
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,520
all the knowledge we possibly
can from that which is written,

830
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:10,440
God will give us more.
I like what he I like what he

831
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,760
says there, too, because that
really is the gift of Mormonism,

832
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,840
right?
There's nothing that's really

833
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,280
off limits.
This is an invitation.

834
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:24,800
You know, Mormonism ultimately
is an invitation to to come unto

835
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,040
Christ literally in in many
ways, and to ponder upon the

836
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,560
deeper things and mysteries of
godliness.

837
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,160
And and we deny ourselves that
it.

838
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,280
It's like, all right, sorry to
any vegetarians out there, but

839
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,760
it's like going to a buffet
that's full of steak but yet you

840
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:46,520
only just get the salad right?
You're denying yourself a

841
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,600
certain, a certain benefit of
being there.

842
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,760
And and this is the same in
Mormonism, right?

843
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,480
And and this was one of the
things that was frustrating to

844
00:48:55,480 --> 00:49:00,040
me a lot in in in portions of my
time in the LDS church was no,

845
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,840
we don't talk about that.
But then you got one of the old

846
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,600
fellas going, Oh no, you should
definitely think about XY and Z,

847
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,200
or whatever it is you're
pondering on.

848
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,080
If someone tells you it's too
holy to pry into, if it's too

849
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,040
holy to contemplate and think
about, that's a red flag.

850
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,480
And Orson Hyde here tells you
so.

851
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,080
Or Orson Pratt.
Excuse me?

852
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:24,080
Yeah, mm hmm.
And and it's like to question is

853
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:29,200
a sign of freedom and anytime
people like try to shut down

854
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:33,880
questions then there's not
that's not freedom of

855
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,520
conscience, that's not free.
And so we're kind of violating

856
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,880
our own premise like the article
of faith verse 11 is we claim

857
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,720
the privilege of worshipping God
Almighty God according to the

858
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:46,280
dictates of our own conscience
and allow all men that includes

859
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,280
members of the church the same
privilege.

860
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,560
Not just not just the Catholics,
not just the Baptists or the

861
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,720
whatevers.
Like all in outside of the

862
00:49:55,720 --> 00:50:01,080
Church.
We all must protect our own

863
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:06,080
freedom of conscience and
respect others no matter what.

864
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:12,000
So, all right, so the following
statements that I'm going to

865
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,800
draw from are almost all primary
sources, many of them

866
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,520
contemporaneously recorded, and
they independently corroborate

867
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,400
each other and are very
internally consistent, which put

868
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,800
all that together.
That is the absolute gold

869
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,400
standard for establishing
historical facts.

870
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,680
So again, the provenance and
eternal consistency, consistency

871
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,960
of these statements doesn't
prove.

872
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,160
It cannot prove that the
doctrines are true or that the

873
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,240
priesthood restored by Joseph
was preserved.

874
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,440
But they are nonetheless very
useful at dispelling false

875
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,880
narratives promoted by many
today in ignorance or accepted

876
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,320
by many people today in
ignorance.

877
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,480
So the following quotes
established Joseph's connection

878
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,960
to Freemasonry plural marriage,
his organization of an inner

879
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,400
circle also called the Quorum of
Anointed or also called the

880
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,720
Church of the First Born.
And it talks about the nature of

881
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,720
the 1st and 2nd endowments,
which are also the 2nd endowment

882
00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:08,440
is also commonly called the 2nd
Anointing or the fullness of the

883
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,840
Priesthood or the sealing power
of Elijah, and and whose

884
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,160
administrations.
Like when somebody who's

885
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:18,200
received the 2nd anointing
performs an ordinance or

886
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,520
administer, administer something
that scriptural.

887
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,120
The, the phrase that
scripturally is used to refer to

888
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,520
those administrations is called
the Holy Spirit of promise.

889
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,800
Like sealed by the Holy Spirit
of promise, right.

890
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,760
And so, So this is coming from
both during and after Joseph's

891
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,960
lifetime.
OK, this is Parley P Pratt.

892
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,360
I wanted to just lead out with
this because it's so clear.

893
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,560
May 23rd 1847, so the year after
the.

894
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:49,240
I guess it's been three years or
almost three years after the

895
00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:52,200
margin.
This is the year before they

896
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,920
arrive.
Well it's it's just about two

897
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,560
months before they arrive in the
Salt Lake Valley.

898
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:05,000
OK, quote All the 12 are alike
in Keys, Power, Might, Majesty,

899
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,760
and Dominion.
And the 70 are equal everyone in

900
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,520
his place, and so are all who
have the fullness of the

901
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,640
priesthood.
They are entitled to your faith

902
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,600
and prayers.
There is no middle nor higher

903
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,120
nor lower family than those are
who have the fullness of the

904
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,320
priesthood.
Some say I go into Brother

905
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,120
Taylor's family, or some a
little higher into Woodruffs or

906
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:29,120
Heber's Orson hides.
There is no rigdonism.

907
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,200
There is no strangism and every
other ISM.

908
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,160
We are one.
We are equal so far as our

909
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,800
conduct is equal.
You are not higher nor lower in

910
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,800
one family than another.
My mind is Brigham's mind, and

911
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,000
my mind is the same as Heber's
UN quote.

912
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,800
And that has a lot of just, you
know, meat on the bone.

913
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,200
We could probably discuss this
for a lot longer than we than we

914
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,920
we're going to take today.
But I just want to share this

915
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:08,360
revolutionary perspective that
it's not the position as being

916
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:13,040
part of the Quorum of the 12
that gave Brigham Young as the

917
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:17,080
president of that quorum the the
right to lead the church and to,

918
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,800
you know, the the way it was
right for the and or for the 12

919
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,480
as a body to lead the church
after the martyrdom.

920
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,680
I mean that was their public
office.

921
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:31,040
But this makes very clear that
they're not above anyone else

922
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,080
who'd received the fullness of
the priesthood, which is the

923
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,800
same thing as the second
anointing.

924
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:40,600
And they are all one and equal.
They're as far as their conduct.

925
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:45,000
Now if somebody's, like, starts
backsliding, obviously that's

926
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,200
going to be an issue.
But but you know, human nature

927
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,640
is to be competitive and to be
jealous and all of this stuff

928
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,920
and there's just no place for
that in the the order of heaven.

929
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:02,840
And the second anointing is, you
know, you could be a a a nursery

930
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,120
teacher and if you've received
the 2nd anointing, you are an

931
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,640
equal with the President of the
church.

932
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,960
And as as far as priesthood
authority goes.

933
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,480
Which is a radical departure
from sectarianism, right?

934
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:23,920
This idea that wait, I I can
have this the same keys, the

935
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:29,520
same the same opportunities as
the guy who's leading the the

936
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,720
church.
I mean that's that's heady stuff

937
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:40,720
and and I think it also shows
really what God wants for his

938
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:43,200
children.
I think it's also a reflection

939
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:48,200
on Joseph's character.
I once had a college professor,

940
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,200
and we were, we were going
through World War 2, and he was

941
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,080
talking about some of the
dictators in there.

942
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,240
And he said, you, you can
distinguish the mark of a man by

943
00:54:57,240 --> 00:55:01,960
what he does with power, right?
If he hoards power unto himself,

944
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:07,600
well, you know, he's a tyrant
and he seeks for dominion and he

945
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:12,120
seeks for, you know, basically
unrighteous dominion.

946
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,160
Yeah, he's out of control.
He's it's that's like Satan's

947
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,360
plan, right?
He's not respecting agency.

948
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,400
He's trying to abridge it.
Right.

949
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,440
That wasn't Joseph's plan.
Joseph's plan was I I had my

950
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,720
experience and guess what?
So so can you.

951
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,280
Yep.
And and let me help you get

952
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:30,800
there.
Exactly.

953
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,240
And that's that was his whole
work and his whole goal was to

954
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:38,120
bring others up to the same
station he was able to obtain.

955
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,080
Absolutely.
All right.

956
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:44,920
So the this next thing, I'm
actually gonna take a little

957
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,440
tangent.
I hadn't thought about doing

958
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,280
this earlier, but I was just
kind of reading ahead and and so

959
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,480
this quote, I'm just, I'm
actually not going to read the

960
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:53,960
whole thing.
It's not long.

961
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,280
But anyway, this is Benjamin F
Johnson.

962
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,600
And sharing his account of when
he was 'cause he had married his

963
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,040
wife, you know, years prior,
'cause, you know, all of the

964
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:09,680
early brethren, they were
married just civilly because the

965
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,440
sealing ordinance was not a
thing until the 1840s.

966
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,520
And so.
So Benjamin F Johnson had been

967
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,600
had been married but then Joseph
was teaching him stuff actually

968
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,240
says that Joseph showed him the
garments and explained them.

969
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,400
And then what the this is the
statement that jumped out at me

970
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,120
and I think it's worth taking a
second to kind of back up and

971
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,120
explain.
So he, Benjamin Johnson says,

972
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,200
Joseph Smith told me
Freemasonry, as at present was

973
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,920
the apostate endowments as
sectarian religion was the

974
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,600
apostate religion.
And we're going to come back to

975
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:49,720
here in in just a second.
But I want to just briefly First

976
00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:54,040
off, agree with all of you
conspiracy theorists, 'cause I

977
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,680
know some of you guys listening
to this right now believe in

978
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,640
conspiracies, as you frankly
should in my opinion.

979
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:08,000
But so conspiracy theorists love
to talk about the Freemasons as

980
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,880
being like the the the the devil
like the the modern gadiantins.

981
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:17,960
And and you know, to be honest I
actually completely agree with

982
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,280
that sentiment.
They are modern Gadyentins.

983
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:21,800
They're not they're they're bad
news.

984
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:26,920
But the challenge is anti
Mormons can then make a target

985
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:32,760
there of the of Freemasonry and
and Joseph Smith's association

986
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,600
with Masonry.
And now I and and I think it's

987
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,920
understandable, it's natural
that that would be problematic

988
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,440
for people to like.
If you don't, if you don't have

989
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:47,040
a good explanation to reconcile
those two things, that can cause

990
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,080
some issues.
And so I just want to make the

991
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:54,840
case that Freemasonry today is
very different from the

992
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,440
Freemasonry during Joseph
Smith's lifetime.

993
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,360
And so cause 'cause if you've
ever studied much about, you

994
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:06,960
know, Masonry, Masonry goes back
long ago, hundreds of years

995
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:11,320
probably, I think at least like
15-15 hundred, maybe 15th

996
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,800
century.
It's an it's an ancient order.

997
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:18,080
And like legend, I don't know,
maybe Dave, if you have any more

998
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:19,640
definitive thing, but legend has
it.

999
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:24,840
That's kind of stuff from the
Knights Templar basically like

1000
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:31,200
the The Crusaders era going back
and forth to to Jerusalem and

1001
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:37,920
yeah and and Masonry is is a
very like rich tradition.

1002
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,680
I mean Joseph Smith senior was a
Mason.

1003
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,520
Almost all the founding fathers
were Masons.

1004
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:48,600
Like it's a it's a noble order
of just more of a like a

1005
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,120
basically a a men's release
society people that could just

1006
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,200
kind of help each other out and
come together and and so like

1007
00:58:55,200 --> 00:59:00,440
the founding fathers they were
able to be very united despite

1008
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,080
it dramatically opposing
viewpoints on political things

1009
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:08,240
here and there but they were
able to work together and I I

1010
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,760
would attribute a lot of that
capacity to do what they did and

1011
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,760
accomplish what they did to
their Masonic brotherhood and

1012
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:20,360
ties and and so like Masonry is
not a bad thing.

1013
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,920
No.
But what happened was there's a

1014
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:34,520
guy named Adam Weishaupt and he
was alive during the mid 1700s

1015
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:40,480
and he founded what became known
as the Illuminati.

1016
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:45,440
Now this was an extremely secret
organization and their goal was

1017
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:51,520
to overthrow religion and their
goal was to basically they

1018
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,680
wanted this kind of like the the
Enlightenment.

1019
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:58,920
They wanted to have reason and
prevail and and get rid of all

1020
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,880
this, you know, archaic,
benighted religious garbage.

1021
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,760
Is is kind of their perspective
on it.

1022
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,880
And ironically, I have to tell
you a quick, funny, personal

1023
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,680
story about this.
I I mean, I'd heard of Adam

1024
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:12,880
Weishaupt.
I knew about the Illuminati.

1025
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,560
I knew about the ties to
Freemasonry and stuff, but.

1026
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,320
I was, I I I I like, I like
classical music, right?

1027
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,600
And so I I thought, oh, it'd be
fun to take my wife to an opera.

1028
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,880
And the Magic Flute was playing
by Mozart down in Salt Lake.

1029
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,680
And I buy the tickets and I'm
like excited because this is one

1030
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,880
of my favorite opera.
Like the music is just amazing.

1031
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:38,360
We roll into this theater and I
was not prepared for this.

1032
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:42,200
They start now, it's it's not
written in English.

1033
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:46,000
It's I believe German.
Mozart wrote his operas in

1034
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,520
German.
But like, it starts talking

1035
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,320
about like, so there's this
queen, the queen of the night,

1036
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:56,800
and she's actually cast or, you
know, presented as the villain.

1037
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:01,960
Like she is, she is bad and and
she's trying to, you know, keep

1038
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:06,520
people oppressed and like, have
these ancient structures and

1039
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,760
just like very conservative but
not in a good way, like just

1040
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,640
very clinging to the power,
status quo.

1041
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,960
And but it's interesting because
I kind of started getting these

1042
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:21,040
vibes like, wow, that's kind of
representative of religion.

1043
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,520
And then the heroes, like all
the protagonists, they're

1044
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:27,280
representative of reason and
enlightenment and like rational

1045
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,960
stuff.
And I was like, huh, I didn't

1046
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,640
realize Mozart was like
political, but this is coming

1047
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:34,840
off like way political stuff
here.

1048
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:42,080
Well, then they cut to another
scene and the pyramid with the

1049
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:46,960
great seeing eyes on stage and
I'm like, what is going on here?

1050
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,840
And and so, like, it kind of
disturbed me, obviously.

1051
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:52,800
So I, you know, I I still
enjoyed the music.

1052
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,840
But I was like what was up with
that like set, is this like is

1053
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,440
this traditionally presented
this way or is this kind of a

1054
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,120
Salt Lake had these you know
maybe it was some somebody got

1055
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,280
high and was like hey, we should
design the set this way.

1056
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,160
I don't know.
And so I'm looking into it and

1057
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:13,280
dude Mozart was a close personal
friend of Adam Weishout.

1058
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:21,520
And not only that Mozart was
like an ardent admirer of of the

1059
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:31,560
goals of the Illuminati.
And he basically was was like he

1060
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,080
he didn't like that they were
keeping everything so secret.

1061
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,240
He's like, no, this is great.
We should publish this.

1062
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,320
This should everybody should
know about how awesome this is.

1063
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:48,760
Well then he he obviously the
Illuminati is like, no, you

1064
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,200
can't tell anybody this is you
keep this to yourself.

1065
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:58,720
Well, Mozart publishes the Magic
Flute as essentially A sincere

1066
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:04,440
not expose like, to expose it as
bad, but like to to try to push

1067
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,720
these ideas.
I mean, Mozart was very

1068
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,440
talented, very influential
amongst people.

1069
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,240
You know, he had a lot of
influence and so he was like,

1070
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:16,440
hey, I I have these talents, I
believe in this 'cause I, you

1071
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,160
know, I'm going to do it.
So he publishes the Magic Flute

1072
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:26,120
and dies within a month.
He's only forty 3940 years old.

1073
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:33,200
Mozart I think, opened his big
mouth and and paid the price.

1074
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,120
For it?
Well, there's an interesting

1075
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:39,240
letter from George Washington,
and I can't remember who it goes

1076
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:44,840
to, but basically someone had
had asked Washington, Hey,

1077
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:46,600
what's this stuff with
Illuminati?

1078
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,240
It looks like they're trying to
infiltrate, infiltrate

1079
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:53,440
Freemasonry, and Washington
writes back and go.

1080
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,600
I would be very careful,
essentially, right?

1081
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:57,320
Like we should not let.
Oh, look at you.

1082
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:02,800
You got it.
Yeah, so, so basically, yeah,

1083
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,680
let's sorry.
Getting way too off, Fontana.

1084
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:06,640
All right, dude, I took it down
a.

1085
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:08,240
Rabbit hole No.
No, you're good.

1086
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:13,720
So so but may Masonry was an
ancient organization very

1087
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,560
honorable had a lot of good
things that was accomplished

1088
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:18,600
through it and through the
connections people made through

1089
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:23,800
it and but what happened was in
the mid 1700s Adam Wisehupton

1090
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:29,960
his cronies of the Illuminati
decided to infiltrate and use

1091
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:36,120
Masonry to because it was secret
you know they they would keep

1092
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,120
things very kind of private and
secret and and so they're like

1093
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:43,400
hey this is a perfect tool to
infiltrate and use for our

1094
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,760
purposes our nefarious agendas
as the Illuminati.

1095
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:52,600
And so they they start
infiltrating and Co opting all

1096
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:56,480
of the European Masonic lodges.
Well if you recall the mid

1097
01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:01,160
1700s, seventeen 70s, there was
a big Revolutionary War going on

1098
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:04,920
and so as the European lodges
were falling under the influence

1099
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,240
of Adam Wisehap and the
Illuminati, the American lodges,

1100
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,400
there was a a barrier of war
like literal war.

1101
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:15,120
And so they there was a a
separation amongst the the free

1102
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:19,320
Mason or the the Masonic lodges.
And so this letter from

1103
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:23,880
Washington isn't until, like
1890 or, excuse me, 1798.

1104
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:29,200
And so he's writing to a
Reverend GW Snyder, who, like

1105
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:32,520
you were just saying Snyder had
expressed concerns like, hey,

1106
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:34,520
have you heard about these
European lodges getting

1107
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,320
infiltrated?
And he writes Washington like a

1108
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:41,360
letter of essentially warning.
Washington responds.

1109
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,920
And, you know, he, I and he says
this.

1110
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:48,280
I have heard much of the
nefarious and dangerous plan and

1111
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,840
doctrines of the Illuminati, but
never saw the book until you

1112
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,520
were pleased to send it to me
the same causes which have

1113
01:05:54,520 --> 01:06:01,320
prevented my acknowledge, OK, he
had a fever, thanks.

1114
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:07,520
And OK, he's like, I I do want
to say one thing in response to

1115
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:09,440
something that Reverend Snyder
apparently had said in the

1116
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,080
previous letter.
And he says, Washington says,

1117
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:16,840
I'd like to correct an error you
have run into of my presiding

1118
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,040
over the English lodges in this
country.

1119
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:21,120
The fact is, I preside over
none.

1120
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,760
Nor have I been in one more than
once or twice within the last 30

1121
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:25,160
years.
I believe, notwithstanding that

1122
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,920
none of the lodges in this
country are contaminated with

1123
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:31,440
the principles ascribed to the
Society of the Illuminati.

1124
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,880
So and this is correspondence
back and forth anyway, this is

1125
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:42,080
to me now Washington admittedly
is not fully like in the loop

1126
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,040
like he's only been a couple of
times.

1127
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:48,360
He's a Mason, but he wasn't like
you know, super active in that

1128
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,640
organization.
He'd been kind of busy like

1129
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,720
being the general and fighting
the American Revolution and you

1130
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:55,240
know being the president and all
that stuff.

1131
01:06:56,240 --> 01:07:02,960
And so he he though was was
basically saying yeah, I have

1132
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,760
heard about that in Europe that
that is very concerning.

1133
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:10,320
That's kind of you know bad, but
it's not affecting us here in

1134
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:13,000
the American in in the United
States of America.

1135
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:18,480
And and so what's interesting
about that is this is late 1790s

1136
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:23,120
I think that they had begun to
creep into and infiltrate

1137
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:25,720
American lodges.
This time Washington just wasn't

1138
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,480
in the loop because he was busy
running the country and all

1139
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:30,040
being the the father of our
country.

1140
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:39,120
But he basically though what the
so the lodges in America the the

1141
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,840
eastern lodges are close to the
cities.

1142
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,280
They're close to all of the
ports where all of the European

1143
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,960
people were coming and going.
And so I think that that

1144
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,920
influence began to be felt in
about the 1820s in upstate New

1145
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,560
York which apparently is when so
Joseph Smith senior had been a

1146
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,760
like a practicing Mason.
Alvin I I can't remember if

1147
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:01,560
Hiram was old enough, but like
Alvin was, was attending Masonic

1148
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,680
Lodge meetings with his dad
Joseph Smith Senior.

1149
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:08,320
I mean, and these these were
good men doing good things like

1150
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:09,800
that.
That's not a bad thing.

1151
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:15,640
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01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:23,439
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01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:42,080
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1159
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:47,359
Click the link in this episode's
show notes Today they stopped

1160
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:52,160
being quite as active and I I
presume that maybe they started

1161
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:55,040
seeing some of these influences
creep into that even in upstate

1162
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:59,160
New York in the 1820s.
Well, but the The thing is you

1163
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:04,120
got to realize Nauvoo is like
essentially the other side of

1164
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:05,920
the world.
And and back in those days it

1165
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,160
was weeks if not months of
travel to to get from New York

1166
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:12,680
to to the the frontier.
And so the American frontier

1167
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:16,279
lodges were not at all, I would
say, contaminated with the

1168
01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:22,560
Illuminati stuff until well into
1840s and 50s, even 60s and.

1169
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:27,720
And so like, yes, is Masonry
mostly bad and evil today?

1170
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:30,920
Well, it is.
I mean, there's a lot of good

1171
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,120
people who would go who attend
Masonic lodges.

1172
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,760
I'm not saying that every single
person that goes to Masonic

1173
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:40,640
Lodge is like the devil or or
anything like that, but the the

1174
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,160
ordinances and some of the
traditions and the things that's

1175
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,319
going on in Masonry today is
mostly bad.

1176
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:48,960
There's a lot of secrets and a
lot of, you know, just issues

1177
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,720
that way.
But that is not how it was

1178
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:55,960
always, especially in the
American frontier during Joseph

1179
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:57,720
Smith's day.
And so when Joseph was

1180
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:01,680
encouraging a bunch of the
Saints in Nauvoo to join Mason

1181
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:06,600
Masonry and all of that, he was
not part of the Illuminati.

1182
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:10,880
He was not being a Gaddy Ant.
And like like he was just just,

1183
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:16,000
you know, he was using it as a
tool to prepare people for the

1184
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,960
endowment and for the the temple
ordinances and stuff like that.

1185
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,520
Right.
So anyway, that was a long

1186
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:28,760
rabbit hole, but I think it's
valuable to to just clarify why

1187
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,480
Freemasonry.
Now, Joseph Smith did say that

1188
01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:34,640
it was apostate.
It was like the Apostate

1189
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,520
Endowments, similar to how
sectarian Christianity was the

1190
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,320
apostate religion.
But that doesn't mean that it's

1191
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:41,560
evil.
Right.

1192
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,600
And so and that's something that
a lot of anti Mormons nowadays

1193
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,600
I've seen being used bandied
about South.

1194
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:54,520
OK so Benzmuth Johnson is sealed
by the Holy Spirit of promise

1195
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,280
which we know is Joseph Smith.
So wait Joseph Smith is the Holy

1196
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,040
Spirit of promise?
Yes.

1197
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,320
And then so is anybody else
who's received the the 2nd

1198
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:05,560
anointing and is administering
an ordinance.

1199
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:12,000
So anyway so and this is
corroborated by so Benjamin F

1200
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,440
Johnson was a much later
recollection.

1201
01:11:14,440 --> 01:11:16,880
It's kind of like his
autobiography that he's sharing

1202
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,640
this account.
And so you could say, well, it's

1203
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:22,280
not contemporaneously recorded.
It's not very reliable.

1204
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:28,640
This is corroborated by a diary
entry of that night by William

1205
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,880
Clayton, who was present at and
was one of the witnesses of

1206
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:34,560
Benjamin F Johnson being sealed
to his wife by the Prophet

1207
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:38,280
Joseph in that meeting.
So that that happened.

1208
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:43,360
Benjamin F Johnson has proven to
be a very reliable, even his

1209
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:49,160
decades later recollections.
Like every time it's like that

1210
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,640
might not be you know fully
maybe he's kind of

1211
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:55,040
misremembering that like a lot
of these evidences that are

1212
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,560
contemporaneously recorded
vindicate him.

1213
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:02,960
So he had he had a good memory.
This is a letter from Heber C

1214
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:06,840
Kimball written to Parley P
Pratt, June 17th, 1842.

1215
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:12,240
This I think is fascinating.
Heber is so Parley is a is AI

1216
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,360
believe off on a mission or he's
He's certainly not present in

1217
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,040
Nauvoo at the time, and Hebrew
is writing because they're

1218
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:19,320
friends.
And so Hebrew's writing his

1219
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,640
friend Parley a letter.
He says we have received some

1220
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,080
precious things through the
Prophet on the priesthood that

1221
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:25,920
would cause your soul to
rejoice.

1222
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:28,920
I cannot give them to you on
paper, for they are not to be

1223
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:32,240
written.
So you must come and get them

1224
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:35,080
for yourself.
There is a similarity of

1225
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:38,480
priesthood in Masonry.
Brother Joseph says Masonry was

1226
01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:42,080
taken from the priesthood but
has become degenerated.

1227
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:51,280
But many things are perfect.
And see Joseph seems to back up

1228
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:55,360
this idea that that there's a
connection there right that to

1229
01:12:55,360 --> 01:13:00,560
to ordinances within masonry and
the temple ordinance.

1230
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:05,040
And you know I I tend to be a
guy who thinks that Joseph saw

1231
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:08,440
those and was like I know what
that is right.

1232
01:13:08,440 --> 01:13:11,400
And kind of understood through
revelation.

1233
01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:15,480
Oh, I I get it now I see it.
Yeah.

1234
01:13:15,480 --> 01:13:18,160
And I think that, you know, some
people would say Joseph copied

1235
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:20,960
the Masonic ordinances.
I don't think that's it at all.

1236
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:24,000
Absurd.
Like, yeah, maybe some of the

1237
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,280
tokens have some similarities,
like some of them are actually

1238
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:32,760
identical.
But I mean, come on, the the I

1239
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,600
I've, I've read some accounts
of.

1240
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:39,480
I've never experienced them,
'cause I I haven't.

1241
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:43,960
But I've read some accounts of
what Masonic ordinances look

1242
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:48,200
like and you're like blindfolded
and taken and and all of this

1243
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:52,720
stuff.
And it is not at all like the

1244
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,640
endowment.
Nothing whatsoever.

1245
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:59,760
The the drama is completely
different and Ken Peterson and I

1246
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:04,480
were on here right around
Christmas, Joseph Smith's

1247
01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:07,920
birthday and we actually covered
a little bit of that and because

1248
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:14,200
because while while yes without
getting specific some of the

1249
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:18,760
tokens are are are the same.
Yeah, they're the same.

1250
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:23,960
The the information that is
given is completely different,

1251
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,880
right?
The the the accounts are

1252
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,400
completely different.
Different characters, different

1253
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,840
time and space.
And so this wasn't something

1254
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:36,840
like Ken had broke it down and I
trust Ken a lot.

1255
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,200
He's he's an honest dealer and
super smart.

1256
01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:44,760
Shout out to Ken Peterson, but
he he he did like a mathematical

1257
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:49,600
breakdown.
He's like it's about 7% the same

1258
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:53,720
maybe if you stretched it.
So I mean, it's not like when

1259
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:57,800
when people say Joseph copied
the Masonic ritual, that's not a

1260
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:01,560
fair or correct assessment.
Right.

1261
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:05,240
Nah, that's just bogus.
And the other thing I want to

1262
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:10,360
point out to this is so like you
know the last podcast we did was

1263
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:14,080
on polygamy denial.
And you know, the the people

1264
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,120
accusing John Taylor of
murdering The Smiths and all

1265
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:19,840
that stuff and they kind of they
all, it's a package deal.

1266
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:23,840
Like if you think that John
Taylor murdered Joseph and

1267
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:28,120
Hiram, you are you probably also
hate polygamy and are you know,

1268
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:32,400
deny that Joseph Smith lived and
taught and practiced it and you

1269
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,440
probably also hate the temple
whether you realize it or not.

1270
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:41,160
Yet you're going to get there.
And so like I think that this is

1271
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:48,840
so powerful because you know it
this, you know, Heber C Kimball

1272
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,680
has been accused of being like a
Co conspirator with Brigham

1273
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,240
Young.
And yeah, I mean they were like

1274
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:57,640
really close and like you know,
kind of brothers that sort of a

1275
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,000
relationship between the two of
them.

1276
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:07,040
But Heber is writing to parley 2
years before the martyrdom, and

1277
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,880
he refers to, you know, secret
ordinances.

1278
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,280
You know, he's alluding to
things that can't be written

1279
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:17,320
down South, kind of very sacred,
secret, private things, talks

1280
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:20,280
about priests and masonry
attributes it all to Joseph and

1281
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:24,480
encourages parley come back here
quick so you can hear about this

1282
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:26,400
stuff because it's amazing.
It's exciting.

1283
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:31,440
Like if if Brigham Young and
Heber C Kimball were the

1284
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:35,000
instigators of the endowment of
like the ordinances and polygamy

1285
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:40,680
and all this stuff that makes no
sense whatsoever.

1286
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:44,920
Cause partly, obviously had a
chance to go to Joseph Smith

1287
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:48,400
while Joseph was alive and
confirm these things that were

1288
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:50,600
attributed to Joseph by Heber
Kimball.

1289
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:56,280
And so, like, yeah, that that
holds no water at all to to say

1290
01:16:56,280 --> 01:17:00,200
that that Brigham Young came up
with the endowment or or, you

1291
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:01,640
know, plural marriage for that
sort of thing.

1292
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:03,680
Yep.
All right.

1293
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:07,840
So moving on, this one comes
from Orson Hyde.

1294
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:09,360
It's a letter to Ebenezer
Robinson.

1295
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,440
And the context here, this is
September 1844.

1296
01:17:12,440 --> 01:17:15,040
So just like 3 months.
Was it 3 months?

1297
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:16,520
Yeah, three months after the
martyrdom.

1298
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,960
Just almost three months.
And so obviously, this is during

1299
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:23,400
the kind of debate, like the
people didn't know who the

1300
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:26,480
rightful successor to lead the
church was after the martyrdom.

1301
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:31,840
And so that's the context here.
And he's, I think, countering.

1302
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:34,720
Was it rigged?
Anyway, he says this.

1303
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:37,080
We have counted the cost of the
stand.

1304
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:40,120
We have taken in a firmly and
unitedly with prayer and with

1305
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:43,720
fasting, with signs and with
tokens, with garments, and with

1306
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:47,280
girdle decreed in the name of
Jesus Christ, that we will honor

1307
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,760
Our Calling and faithfully carry
out the measures of the prophet

1308
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:53,360
so far as we have power, relying
on the arm of God for strength

1309
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:56,320
in every time of need.
I know that the curse of God

1310
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,760
will fall upon everyone that
tries to give us trouble or to

1311
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:02,160
weaken our hands in the work in
which we are engaged for this

1312
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:05,920
promise we have obtained from
the Lord in solemn convocation.

1313
01:18:07,480 --> 01:18:11,880
Oh, actually, I was thinking of
this next one, which is, I think

1314
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:14,200
part of the same statement.
But anyway, so here we go.

1315
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:23,480
This is Orson Hyde again.
Just kind of trying to establish

1316
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:28,040
the claims of the the the 12 and
and and you know that basically

1317
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:30,480
Sidney Rigman should not be the
next leader of the church.

1318
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:34,000
He writes this.
We have had a charge given us by

1319
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,920
our prophet and that charge we
intend to honor and magnify it

1320
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:40,760
was given in March last.
He said let no man take your

1321
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:44,960
crown and though you should have
to walk right into death, fear

1322
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:47,240
not neither be dismayed.
You have to die.

1323
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:50,520
But once to us we're committed
the keys of the Kingdom, and

1324
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:54,600
every gift, key, and power that
Joseph ever had, confirmed upon

1325
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:58,760
our heads by an anointing which
Bradrick Rigdon never did

1326
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:04,480
receive.
It narrows it down now right and

1327
01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:09,080
and starting to to show the
importance of of the second

1328
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:13,520
anointing which which is being
talked about here and also it it

1329
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:19,240
lends, it lends not just
credence but but gives hard

1330
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:23,360
proof that they continued they
did not die with Joseph.

1331
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:27,800
Correct.
So a couple of statements from

1332
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,280
Joseph.
So this isn't fully in

1333
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:33,960
chronological order, but it's a
work in progress.

1334
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,080
Maybe I will organize it
chronologically when I do the

1335
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:39,520
final draft.
But anyway, I kind of wanted

1336
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,600
some of these ideas do build
upon each other and so this one

1337
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:47,240
is from Joseph and back to our
kind of original topic and the

1338
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,880
the purpose of why we're having
this conversation, which is to

1339
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,760
detect and discern wolves in
sheep's clothing.

1340
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,400
You know false Christs and false
prophets come in and claiming to

1341
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:58,920
have these experiences and hey,
for you know, pay tithing for 10

1342
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:02,080
years and I can introduce you to
Christ yourself and all that

1343
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:06,560
sort of stuff.
Sunday, May 1st, 1842 Joseph

1344
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,280
says I preached in the Grove on
the keys of the Kingdom,

1345
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:12,000
charity, etcetera.
The keys are certain signs and

1346
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:15,160
words by which false spirits and
personages may be detected from

1347
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:18,440
true which cannot be revealed to
the elders, to the till the

1348
01:20:18,440 --> 01:20:22,760
temple is completed.
The rich cannot, can only get

1349
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:25,280
them in the temple.
The poor may get them on the

1350
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:28,920
mountaintop, as did Moses.
The rich cannot be saved without

1351
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:32,400
charity, giving to feed the poor
when and how God requires, as

1352
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,560
well as building.
There are signs in heaven,

1353
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:37,440
earth, and hell.
The elders must know them all to

1354
01:20:37,440 --> 01:20:39,440
be endowed with power to finish
their work and prevent a

1355
01:20:39,440 --> 01:20:41,680
position.
The devil knows many signs but

1356
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:43,880
does not know the sign of the
Son of Man or Jesus.

1357
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:47,560
No one can truly say he knows
God until he has handled

1358
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:51,200
something, and this can only be
in the holiest of holies.

1359
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:57,720
Which so typically, where
typically, not always, but

1360
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:01,120
typically where those higher
higher ordinances were

1361
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,400
administered, right?
Correct, yeah.

1362
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:06,240
When possible, the 2nd anointing
would be administered in a

1363
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:08,720
holiest, a Holy of Holies within
the temple.

1364
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:13,680
Absolutely so it's, you know,
the people denying that Joseph

1365
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:18,920
Smith did the temple in
ordinances or, you know, come on

1366
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:21,640
right.
Contemporaneously recorded,

1367
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:23,720
reviewed by him personally like
this comes from his journal.

1368
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:25,880
This was compiled into the
history of the church, but it

1369
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:27,440
comes from the Joseph Smith
Journal.

1370
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:31,360
Here's another Joseph Smith
statement that I love.

1371
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:35,960
The doctrine or sealing power of
Elijah is as follows.

1372
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,080
If you have power to seal on
earth and in heaven, then we

1373
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:41,360
should be wise.
The first thing you do go and

1374
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:43,720
seal on earth your sons and
daughters unto yourself and unto

1375
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:46,400
and yourself unto your Father's
and eternal glory.

1376
01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:49,280
And go ahead and not back and
but use a little wisdom, and

1377
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,240
seal all you can.
And when you get to heaven, tell

1378
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:53,680
your Father that what you seal
on earth should be sealed in

1379
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:56,440
heaven according to his promise.
I will walk through the gate of

1380
01:21:56,440 --> 01:21:58,840
heaven and claim what I seal and
those that follow me and my

1381
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:06,120
counsel.
So like sealing this concept of

1382
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:09,680
of sealing binding on earth and
have it bound in heaven is not

1383
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:15,120
unique to Mormonism because it
is talked about in, you know in

1384
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:17,760
to Pete when Christ is talking
to Peter in the New Testament.

1385
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:22,600
But it is certainly much more
developed within Mormonism by

1386
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:27,680
Joseph Smith and and and like,
you know, for instance the the

1387
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:32,120
idea of plural marriage.
I mean, I think it was Charles

1388
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:35,000
Penrose once had a this just
awesome statement.

1389
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:42,680
And he's like he says, those who
don't like the revelation on

1390
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:49,720
plural marriage better not like
the the idea of eternal

1391
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:53,680
marriage.
Because the one revelation that

1392
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:57,400
talks about eternal marriage is
the same revelation that talks

1393
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:00,200
about plural marriage.
So if you're gonna reject, if

1394
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:03,320
you're gonna reject plural
marriage, you're also rejecting

1395
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:04,440
eternal marriage.
Yep.

1396
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:07,640
Yep, Yes, that's good to keep in
mind.

1397
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:12,640
So, Wolford Woodruff.
Oh, you know what?

1398
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:15,800
I actually found the audio.
Did you know that there's an

1399
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:17,680
audio recording of Wolford
Woodruff's voice?

1400
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:19,520
I did.
I did.

1401
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:25,120
OK, I I found so this is a
transcript, but I think it's

1402
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:27,000
even cooler coming straight from
his mouth.

1403
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:30,840
So I got it queued up here.
It's, it's just on YouTube.

1404
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:33,840
The 1897 audio record of Wolford
Woodruff's testimony.

1405
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,320
We're starting at the 59 second
time stamp.

1406
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:38,840
Hopefully the audio comes
through.

1407
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:41,040
If not, stop me, OK?
OK.

1408
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:47,960
So this is Wilford Woodruff's
testimony, recorded on three wax

1409
01:23:47,960 --> 01:24:02,880
cylinders in 1897, 144, and all
going from the greatest state

1410
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:06,080
for betrayal.
Apostles together.

1411
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:12,960
And he delivered until the empty
ordinances of the Church of God

1412
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:19,680
all the peace and powers that
God has been through upon him.

1413
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:25,680
We use it on our heads so that
we can count upon our soldiers

1414
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:34,920
all we would do that our living
it was less.

1415
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:42,920
He heard that testimony from his
house and I know it was true by

1416
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:47,920
these hours of work that the
best for him.

1417
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:53,600
He guess he comes a little
further about 3 hours.

1418
01:24:56,720 --> 01:25:04,080
He was a sewer adapter and he
was covered with his power that

1419
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:09,160
I had never seen.
They missed that in the break

1420
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:13,760
before.
I planned testimony and heard it

1421
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:20,120
was 3 authors of his Dhamma.
Everything I did another day

1422
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:25,280
thing.
I see my old Dhamma under his

1423
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:29,680
hand as directly as I know they
are true.

1424
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:37,840
I not only received my own
talent under his name, but I

1425
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:42,600
have my testimony.
That is a young BBC Hindu

1426
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:49,040
relationship.
Or again if God Holders and

1427
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:54,880
other brothers like being Harry
Galman under the Hampshire app

1428
01:25:55,040 --> 01:26:00,240
directions of the province
Judith and also my wife Edith as

1429
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:11,160
Edith S POD Hira.
And a very cool thing I cannot

1430
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:13,840
recall now.
OK.

1431
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:16,480
Wow.
Dude, it's.

1432
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,840
That's a little hard to hear,
but you can go and read listen

1433
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:23,960
to that recording on YouTube.
Dude, you can feel it, right?

1434
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:27,240
You can feel as he's bearing
testimony of those things.

1435
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:29,840
And I want to say something
else.

1436
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:32,360
There's something there that I
picked up that I hadn't ever,

1437
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:38,520
excuse me, picked up before.
And it was how he uses the word

1438
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:43,000
endowments plural, right?
He doesn't say I received my

1439
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:48,000
endowment.
It was endowments, plural in the

1440
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:52,360
early days of the church when
the endowment was given at the

1441
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:56,040
end of of the endowment.
We're familiar with now most

1442
01:26:56,040 --> 01:27:00,320
people in the LDS church.
It just kind of ends in the old

1443
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:04,680
days, it used to say and thus
concludes the first endowment.

1444
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:08,240
And so there was a very clear
separation.

1445
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:13,400
And the fact you have Wilford
Woodruff in his own voice saying

1446
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:18,520
endowments, plural, should give
further evidence that he had

1447
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:20,440
passed along those other
ordinances.

1448
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:25,920
And that was part of the
promises that those keys which

1449
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:29,280
are received through the 2nd
endowment would never again

1450
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:34,960
leave the earth.
Also this idea that it was only

1451
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:38,600
given to the, you know, the very
elite within the church, certain

1452
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:43,680
families is is utter horse crap.
I don't have any word for it

1453
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:46,920
because there are records that
they were giving them out.

1454
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:52,040
Like I want to say 300 a year
for like 10 or 15 years, right?

1455
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:53,720
I mean, right.
It was.

1456
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:56,920
It was really moving along and
it really dropped off under

1457
01:27:56,920 --> 01:28:01,000
Heber J Grant's administration.
Yep, absolutely.

1458
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:05,280
And you know, it's been long
enough since then.

1459
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:08,760
That's been about 100 years ago
since Grant kind of put the stop

1460
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:11,840
to that.
And and so, like most Latter Day

1461
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:16,360
Saints faithful church members
today have never even heard of

1462
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:19,280
it, let alone have any
understanding, let alone have

1463
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:23,200
access to it.
And you know that's a problem.

1464
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:28,120
So just let's keep moving.
There's a couple more here to

1465
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:31,600
just touch quickly on.
This is Parley P Pratt.

1466
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:33,600
It's made.
It's a statement that the keys

1467
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:35,920
are on the earth, shall not be
taken from it till the ceiling

1468
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:39,120
is accomplished.
Elijah is the one that conferred

1469
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:43,720
the keys of the ceiling power.
And you know, in Joseph Smith in

1470
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:50,720
8th or 6th of January 1842, says
truly this is a day long to be

1471
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:52,520
remembered by the Saints of the
last days.

1472
01:28:53,440 --> 01:28:54,920
Why don't we remember that?
Why?

1473
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,560
What were you doing on January
6th, Dave, I think we should

1474
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:01,960
probably commemorate this.
You know, Joseph Smith says it's

1475
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:05,040
a really important day, the day
in which the God of Heaven has

1476
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:08,400
begun to restore the ancient
order of his Kingdom unto his

1477
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:11,080
servants and his people.
And what was he doing on this

1478
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:14,160
day that made it this fulfill
into this prophecy?

1479
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:18,240
A Kingdom of priests and kings
to God and the lamb forever on

1480
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:21,880
Mount Zion, And with him the
144,000 whom John the Reveler

1481
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:24,800
leader saw all of which is to
come to pass in the restitution

1482
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:30,120
of all things he had been doing
second or anointings.

1483
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:34,120
Yep, so.
Yep, and the.

1484
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:35,960
Ordinances of the House.
Go ahead.

1485
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:39,200
No, go ahead.
Ordinances of the House of God

1486
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:40,760
are expressly for the church,
the first born.

1487
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:43,040
I'm just trying to move quick.
So did you have additional

1488
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,480
comments on this statement from
Joseph Smith?

1489
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:49,120
I I just wanted to to to kind of
you know talk here to the

1490
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:51,720
audience for a second.
It it may seem like we're

1491
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:54,160
hitting this hard, but it's for
a reason, right?

1492
01:29:54,480 --> 01:29:58,520
Because this this is the
ordinance that second anointing

1493
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:02,120
that prepares a person to
receive the 2nd comforter.

1494
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:08,280
I I want to make the distinction
that the second anointing isn't

1495
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:12,960
the 2nd comforter.
The the the 2nd anointing allows

1496
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:16,680
you to be prepared to receive
the 2nd comforter.

1497
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:18,880
That's all I had.
Correct.

1498
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:20,440
Yeah, good.
Great distinction.

1499
01:30:20,440 --> 01:30:24,240
I appreciate that, 'cause you
know, there there have been

1500
01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:28,200
maybe for people that are not
familiar, 'cause it's very not

1501
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:30,680
taught.
And then they hear rumors and

1502
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:35,080
then they presume that oh so
Christ personally comes to all

1503
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:36,800
the 2nd anointings.
Well, that'd be real

1504
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,360
disappointing if you show up for
this and you're expecting to

1505
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:41,760
meet Christ in the flesh and
he's not there.

1506
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:47,240
So yeah, so very good point.
But like you were just saying,

1507
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:52,240
you cannot expect to have the
2nd comforter, at least in the

1508
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:57,080
flesh experience before
receiving the 2nd anointing.

1509
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:01,600
Now you can have visions.
I mean, Joseph Smith was 14 year

1510
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:03,720
old, 14 years old.
He hadn't been baptized.

1511
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:04,840
He hadn't received the
priesthood.

1512
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:08,280
He had the first vision.
And and that's why it's called a

1513
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:09,840
vision.
It's not a visitation.

1514
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:13,320
It was, you know, it was not an
in the flesh interaction, It was

1515
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:16,160
a vision.
And it's never been referred to

1516
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:18,480
as anything other than a vision
by Joseph or anyone else.

1517
01:31:18,480 --> 01:31:21,040
Like everybody knows it's the
first vision, not the first

1518
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:24,000
visitation.
Visitations did happen later,

1519
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:27,720
but the first vision was a
visionary experience and you

1520
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:29,920
don't need to priesthood, you
don't need to be baptized, you

1521
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:32,480
don't even need to be connected
to Mormonism like there's

1522
01:31:32,480 --> 01:31:37,080
actually a lot of Christians or
even non Christians that have

1523
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:41,160
probably had the experience of
of encountering God in the form

1524
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:45,320
of a dream or a vision.
And I am fully supportive and

1525
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:48,240
and willing to accept that
testimony.

1526
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:54,560
But there's a difference between
a vision or a dream and an in

1527
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:58,800
the flesh interaction with the
deity and ordinances.

1528
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:03,000
You will not survive that that
in the flesh interaction if you

1529
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,800
haven't received the ordinances.
And it's not gonna happen like

1530
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:09,720
like just key, it ain't gonna
happen until after.

1531
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:12,680
And if people start claiming
that they've had that

1532
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:17,200
experience, well, now you know
for pretty much you can take it

1533
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:19,280
to the bank.
You know for a fact that they

1534
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:24,160
are either a liar or they have
been deceived by a demon.

1535
01:32:24,480 --> 01:32:27,160
Absolutely.
OK.

1536
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:31,440
Wolford, he actually kind of
covered this.

1537
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:34,520
It's a slightly different quote
from a few years prior to that

1538
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:37,400
recorded testimony, but we kind
of already covered this, so I'm

1539
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:43,920
going to skip that now.
This is again referencing the

1540
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:48,640
Joseph and because because this
is originating from Joseph,

1541
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:54,840
everybody is just you absolutely
unanimous consistent like this

1542
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:58,120
came from Joseph, that this did
not come from Brigham, this did

1543
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:01,000
not come from John Taylor, this
did not come from anybody else.

1544
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:05,480
All of these testimonies unite
in declaring that this came from

1545
01:33:05,480 --> 01:33:08,200
Joseph.
He says that before I went east

1546
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:10,560
on the 4th of April, we were in
council with Brother Joseph

1547
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:15,000
almost every day for weeks, says
Brother Joseph in one of those

1548
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:17,240
councils, there's something
going to happen, I don't know

1549
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:19,720
what it is, but the Lord bids me
to hasten and give you your

1550
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:21,400
endowment before the temple is
finished.

1551
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:24,800
He conducted us through every
ordinance of the holy priesthood

1552
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:26,960
and when he had gone through
with all the ordinances, he

1553
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:31,240
rejoiced very much and says, now
if they kill me, you have got

1554
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:33,720
all the keys and all the
ordinances and you can confer

1555
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:35,640
them upon others.
And the host of Satan will not

1556
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:39,120
be able to tear down the Kingdom
as fast as you will be able to

1557
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:41,400
build it up, and now on your
shoulders will rest.

1558
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:44,400
The responsibility of leading
this people for the Lord is

1559
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:50,000
going to let me rest a while.
Orson Hyde again to.

1560
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:55,000
See to see Joseph feeling that
that that his time's drawing

1561
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:56,800
near.
Some urgency there.

1562
01:33:56,920 --> 01:34:00,000
Totally.
So this isn't a fascinating

1563
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:02,480
quote.
It not only does it corroborate

1564
01:34:02,480 --> 01:34:07,080
the Orson Hyde testimony, it
actually reveals another couple

1565
01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:09,160
of things, so I'll discuss that
right after sharing this.

1566
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:13,920
So this is from George Cucannan.
It's a later recollection, but

1567
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:16,880
he's speaking about it as one in
the know.

1568
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:19,680
So quote, prior to the
completion of the temple, the

1569
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:22,520
prophet took the 12 and certain
other men.

1570
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:25,680
So it's not just the 12 who were
chosen and bestowed upon the

1571
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:28,440
unholy anointing, similar to
that which was received on the

1572
01:34:28,440 --> 01:34:31,800
day of Pentecost by the 12 who
had been told to tarry at

1573
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:34,520
Jerusalem.
This endowment was bestowed upon

1574
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:37,000
the chosen few whom Joseph
anointed and ordained, giving

1575
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:39,640
unto them the keys of the holy
priesthood, the power and

1576
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:43,120
authority which he himself held
to build up the Kingdom of God

1577
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:45,560
in all the earth and accomplish
the great purposes of our

1578
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:47,680
Heavenly Father.
And it was by virtue of this

1579
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:50,800
authority, on the death of
Joseph, that President Young as

1580
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:54,240
President of the Quorum of the
12, presided over the Church.

1581
01:34:55,760 --> 01:35:00,560
This is significant because it
refutes the modern LDS Church

1582
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:04,520
claim that Brigham Young was the
rightful heir to preside over

1583
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:07,440
the church after Joseph's death
because of his position as the

1584
01:35:07,440 --> 01:35:11,680
senior member of the 12.
It was due to the Endowment and

1585
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:12,960
2nd Anointing.
Yep.

1586
01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:19,960
And yeah, 'cause the succession
nowadays is just the senior

1587
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:22,880
member of the 12 becomes the new
president.

1588
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:28,600
And you know, that's not what
was taught back 150 years ago.

1589
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:34,080
Absolutely.
Well, and for quite a long time

1590
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:38,080
people just assume that that
it's you know once the

1591
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:41,560
succession crisis was over that
Brigham claimed the title of

1592
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:44,360
president of the Church and
prophets here in Revelator.

1593
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:47,920
And that's not the case.
It's not till a number of years

1594
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:52,040
into the Utah period before that
actually comes forward.

1595
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:56,840
Up until the that time they were
under Apostolic direction, right

1596
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:00,600
under the they the the LDS
church was governed by the

1597
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:03,640
Council of the Quorum of the 12,
not by one guy.

1598
01:36:04,440 --> 01:36:06,360
Right.
Yep.

1599
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:11,120
All right.
So John Taylor also testified,

1600
01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:16,440
kind of adds his witness, that
Joseph gave these keys and

1601
01:36:16,480 --> 01:36:18,680
conferred upon others all the
keys given him by the

1602
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:20,240
manifestations of the power of
God.

1603
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:25,000
Hebert C Kimball talks like you
were just alluding to, that this

1604
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:27,600
was the Kingdom which Daniel
saw, which would be set up in

1605
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:29,680
the last days, which would
overthrow and subdue all of the

1606
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:31,720
kingdoms.
This is a place designed as a

1607
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:33,440
place of trial for each one
admitted.

1608
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:36,520
And if we are found faithful in
this council, the time will come

1609
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:40,080
when each one will be anointed
and ordained priests and kings.

1610
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:44,960
This was not an exclusive like,
you know, inner circle only It

1611
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:48,440
started that way because it's
kind of revolutionary and kind

1612
01:36:48,440 --> 01:36:50,800
of a huge responsibility and
it's not everybody's not

1613
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:53,880
prepared for that.
But the point is as soon as

1614
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:57,040
people are prepared, this is for
anyone that's willing to

1615
01:36:57,040 --> 01:37:00,760
prepare.
And and so, yeah, this is not a

1616
01:37:01,440 --> 01:37:06,240
a unfortunately, as it has
become in in not just the LDS

1617
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:09,480
church but many other groups too
kind of this exclusive inner

1618
01:37:09,480 --> 01:37:15,760
circle club.
More references to the

1619
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:19,080
endowment.
Second anointing Joseph Smith

1620
01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:22,840
Oh, this actually reinforces
that same exact principle.

1621
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:26,720
Joseph's talking about
instructing all these brothers

1622
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:29,160
in the principles in order, the
priesthood, attending to

1623
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:32,360
washings, anointing endowments,
and the communion of

1624
01:37:32,440 --> 01:37:34,560
communication of keys pertaining
to theronic priesthood, and so

1625
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:38,040
on to the highest order of the
Melchizedek Priesthood, the

1626
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:41,880
ancient of Days.
And so this, this is Joseph

1627
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:47,120
referring explicitly to all of
these things, and and it it's

1628
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:48,800
originating, it goes straight
back to him.

1629
01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:52,560
But get this.
And there was nothing made known

1630
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:56,720
to these men but what will be
made known to all the Saints of

1631
01:37:56,720 --> 01:38:00,440
the last days so soon as they
are prepared to receive, and a

1632
01:38:00,440 --> 01:38:03,720
proper place is prepared to
communicate them?

1633
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:06,320
See and and that that's just it,
right.

1634
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:12,120
And and this has been one of my
big beefs with quite frankly

1635
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:14,840
Mormonism across the spectrum,
right.

1636
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:18,080
Any anything that would be
classified as Brigamite, so to

1637
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:20,440
speak, right?
Because we don't see second

1638
01:38:20,440 --> 01:38:23,280
anointings really outside
Brigamite tradition.

1639
01:38:23,440 --> 01:38:25,440
We just don't.
And maybe Alphea's Cutler,

1640
01:38:25,440 --> 01:38:26,920
right?
But they've kind of lost a lot

1641
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:28,800
of that stuff.
Right, right.

1642
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:34,520
This was not something that was
supposed to separate the elite

1643
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:38,440
from everybody else.
This was intended to go forward.

1644
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:44,360
Everybody was expected to have
an at least an opportunity to to

1645
01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:49,800
pursue this with with the, I'll
just say, assurance that if you

1646
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:54,240
lived righteously, if you proved
who you, you know what what your

1647
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:58,560
intent was that that this was
something that was open to you

1648
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:03,000
and something you should pursue
this, this was in my opinion

1649
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:08,200
reading these quotes here was
something that that Joseph

1650
01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:12,520
desperately wanted to share with
all of the Saints.

1651
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:19,760
Yeah, Yep.
And if you if, what better if?

1652
01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:21,040
Oh, sorry.
Go ahead.

1653
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:23,360
You first.
And yeah and if you withhold it

1654
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:27,160
like, how are you not putting
the bushel over the candle?

1655
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:29,680
You're just like trying to keep
it for yourself and for your

1656
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:34,120
like your elite inner circle
like that is not the nature of

1657
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:37,680
godhood.
Joseph wanted every Joseph he.

1658
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:39,920
In fact I I don't have the quote
prepped right.

1659
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:43,520
But off the top of my head he
said that there's no problem

1660
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:46,920
with self aggrandizement if
you're bringing trying to bring

1661
01:39:46,920 --> 01:39:50,400
everybody around you up and
aggrandize them with you.

1662
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:54,320
Like self aggrandizement is only
an issue when you're kind of

1663
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:58,480
keeping others down around you.
But when you are trying to

1664
01:39:58,480 --> 01:40:03,400
elevate and lift everyone around
you, then hey, aggrandize

1665
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:05,760
yourself as much as possible
'cause then you're more able to

1666
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:08,040
help them.
Like the more powerful you are,

1667
01:40:08,040 --> 01:40:10,600
the more help you're able to
help and assist others.

1668
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:13,760
And that's how gods are are
produced.

1669
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:18,160
Like that is the process by
which gods are created.

1670
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:21,880
And and two more things on this
Not only is it just hiding your

1671
01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:27,480
light under a bushel, if, if we
go back to one of the quotes

1672
01:40:27,480 --> 01:40:32,360
that I think it was Wilfred or
made quoting Joseph Smith, it

1673
01:40:32,360 --> 01:40:34,560
was.
I give you these things because

1674
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:38,280
you can create kings and priests
faster than the adversary can

1675
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:41,000
get rid of them.
So not only are you just hiding

1676
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:43,160
something, you're doing maybe
something a little worse if

1677
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:46,880
you're hoarding this, so to
speak, where you are hindering

1678
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:50,360
the kingdom's progression.
Yes.

1679
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:54,760
Next, I would say that what
better?

1680
01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:57,800
Way magnifying the priesthood.
At that point, you are

1681
01:40:57,800 --> 01:41:00,240
minimizing because you're
keeping it small.

1682
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:03,640
Yep.
The other thing I would say is

1683
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:08,800
that what better way to
safeguard against the tyranny of

1684
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:13,280
the minority, in this case the
elite, than to have, you know

1685
01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:15,880
what that dude's got just as
many keys and just as much

1686
01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:21,000
priesthood as that guy up there.
And if that guy goes awry and

1687
01:41:21,440 --> 01:41:24,280
the voice of all these other
priesthood holders who have all

1688
01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:29,280
these keys come forward, well,
now we're in some different area

1689
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:30,720
now you know what?
Now?

1690
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:33,640
Now there can be some, some
severe accountability.

1691
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:39,480
And and I'm not suggesting that,
that we baptize people, we get

1692
01:41:39,480 --> 01:41:41,520
them endowed and then the next
day we do.

1693
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:43,560
Seconds.
Certainly it could be that way

1694
01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:46,320
if the person meets the
qualification.

1695
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:49,320
And if the Spirit like you, need
revelation like the obvious.

1696
01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:52,760
Revelation, exactly.
But if that revelation is there,

1697
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:56,360
I think it should be one of
those things that that should be

1698
01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:58,520
available to folks within
Mormonism.

1699
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:01,280
Yes.
All right.

1700
01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:03,920
So and there's actually quite a
few more quotes.

1701
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:06,320
I'm only gonna share one last
one and then we'll move on to

1702
01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:08,240
the the last section here of the
essay.

1703
01:42:09,320 --> 01:42:11,600
So this comes from the juvenile
instructor.

1704
01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:17,680
So it's it's, I mean kind of
like the predecessor of of like

1705
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:21,080
the end sign or or whatever.
It's like one of those, it's

1706
01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:25,280
official and it's coming from
the church, two members with

1707
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:28,320
like teachings and principles.
And you know, it's not

1708
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:32,000
scripture, but it's going to be
like official doctrine.

1709
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:36,160
You could, say, quote these
additional powers, and this is

1710
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:39,520
referring to those conferred in
the second anointing, include

1711
01:42:39,640 --> 01:42:42,440
all of the keys that belong to
the holy priesthood on the

1712
01:42:42,440 --> 01:42:46,000
earth, or were ever revealed to
man in any dispensation, and

1713
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:48,680
which admit men and women within
the veil.

1714
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:53,440
They enable them to pass by the
angels and the gods until they

1715
01:42:53,440 --> 01:42:55,720
get into the presence of the
Father and the Son.

1716
01:42:56,200 --> 01:42:59,600
They make of them kings and
priests, Queens and priestesses

1717
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:03,000
to God to rule and reign as such
over their posterity and those

1718
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:06,400
who may be given but to them by
the law of adoption.

1719
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:12,880
Yep, and again, just reiterating
for the sake of the specific

1720
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:20,080
topic of tonight, these keys and
powers received and conferred

1721
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:23,920
through the 2nd anointing are
those which admit men and women

1722
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:25,400
within the veil.
Right.

1723
01:43:25,800 --> 01:43:30,560
And if you don't have the keys
and the power to get through the

1724
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:36,240
veil, then you know, if you're
having heavenly visitations,

1725
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:38,880
it's not with heaven.
It's it's from some other

1726
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:41,280
source.
All right.

1727
01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:44,400
Oh, I can't skip this one.
This is from Joseph.

1728
01:43:44,440 --> 01:43:47,440
It's really important.
All men who become heirs of God

1729
01:43:47,440 --> 01:43:50,440
and joint heirs with Jesus
Christ will have to receive the

1730
01:43:50,440 --> 01:43:52,440
fullness of the ordinances of
his Kingdom.

1731
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:55,200
And those who will not receive
all the ordinances will come

1732
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:58,040
short of the fullness of that
glory if they do not lose the

1733
01:43:58,040 --> 01:44:00,040
whole.
If a man gets the fullness of

1734
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:02,520
the priesthood of God, he has to
get it in the same way that

1735
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:05,680
Jesus Christ obtained it, and
that was by keeping all the

1736
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:09,240
commandments and obeying all the
ordinances of the House of the

1737
01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:13,560
Lord.
Now, Can you imagine maybe some

1738
01:44:13,560 --> 01:44:16,880
of the condemnation that might
come certain people's way if

1739
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:22,280
that's withheld unjustly?
Yeah, that that's a two edged

1740
01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:25,880
sword that cuts both directions.
Like, yes, those who were

1741
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:29,800
claiming to have, you know,
these experiences and they're

1742
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:32,320
like, they 'cause they didn't go
through the gate, they found a

1743
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:35,200
way to climb over the fence and,
you know, somehow got in the the

1744
01:44:35,200 --> 01:44:37,800
wrong way.
Like that is condemning, like

1745
01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:42,680
this statement definitively
dispels that they are telling

1746
01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:44,520
the truth or or representative
of God.

1747
01:44:44,840 --> 01:44:49,400
But on the flip side, those who
do hold these things and and are

1748
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:56,520
are withholding them from anyone
else like that the Lord employs

1749
01:44:56,520 --> 01:44:58,800
no keeper of the gate.
Second Nephi, Chapter 9, verse

1750
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:02,040
41.
I I the Lord, I alone am the

1751
01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:04,400
keeper of the gate, and I employ
no servant there.

1752
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:11,680
This is something that God does
not want us, you know, using our

1753
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:15,040
judgment, You know, it has to be
governed by revelation.

1754
01:45:15,440 --> 01:45:19,120
And you know, and if we are not
in a place to receive God's

1755
01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:21,200
direction, that's on us.
That's a new problem.

1756
01:45:22,600 --> 01:45:26,000
OK, couple more, I thought.
I I thought we were getting

1757
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:27,760
close to being done.
I There's a couple more that we

1758
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:28,600
can't skip though.
You're.

1759
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:30,360
You're you're good.
You're good.

1760
01:45:31,480 --> 01:45:34,360
All right, ordinances instituted
in the heavens before the

1761
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:36,880
foundation of the world and the
priesthood for the salvation of

1762
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:40,320
men, are not to be altered or
changed.

1763
01:45:40,480 --> 01:45:42,720
All must be saved on the same
principles.

1764
01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:46,320
And then on another occasion,
Joseph says, if there is no

1765
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:48,960
change of ordinances, there is
no change of priesthood.

1766
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:54,160
And then one last one from
Joseph.

1767
01:45:54,160 --> 01:45:58,200
Whenever men can find out the
will of God and find an

1768
01:45:58,200 --> 01:46:02,200
administrator legally authorized
from God, there is the Kingdom

1769
01:46:02,200 --> 01:46:04,040
of God.
But where these are not the

1770
01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:07,800
Kingdom of God is not All the
ordinances, systems, and

1771
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:11,160
administrations on the earth are
of no use to the children of men

1772
01:46:11,160 --> 01:46:13,520
unless they are ordained and
authorized of God.

1773
01:46:13,880 --> 01:46:17,480
For nothing will save a man but
a legal administrator, for none.

1774
01:46:17,480 --> 01:46:21,280
Others will be acknowledged
either by God or angels.

1775
01:46:22,480 --> 01:46:24,760
Woo Hoo.
Wow.

1776
01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:30,240
And and that.
That's that's spooky on a couple

1777
01:46:30,240 --> 01:46:33,360
levels, right?
And when I say spooky, I mean

1778
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:36,520
spooky in terms of the
responsibility that the Lord has

1779
01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:42,320
entrusted to us mortals, right
where he says There, unless they

1780
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:44,160
are ordained and authorized of
God.

1781
01:46:44,160 --> 01:46:48,320
For nothing will save a man but
a legal administrator for none.

1782
01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:53,160
Others will acknowledge either
by God, be acknowledged either

1783
01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:56,720
by God or angels.
The Lord is putting the emphasis

1784
01:46:56,720 --> 01:47:01,920
here that these keys are here
and they're not going to be

1785
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:02,840
taken.
Again.

1786
01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:09,840
You just have to ask and inquire
and work and you, they can be

1787
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:13,320
yours.
Yep, 100%.

1788
01:47:14,360 --> 01:47:15,680
All right.
For the sake of time, we're

1789
01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:17,480
going to skip.
There's some stuff from the

1790
01:47:17,480 --> 01:47:21,440
funeral servant that WW Phelps
gave at Joseph and Hiram's

1791
01:47:21,440 --> 01:47:26,400
funeral and then a a a quote
from Parley P Pratt, the

1792
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:30,800
revelation he got and then this
is from Joseph Musser.

1793
01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:34,040
I will get this published.
Once I get it, I'll send it to

1794
01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:35,160
you.
You can post it on the show

1795
01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:36,880
notes.
So I I don't.

1796
01:47:37,160 --> 01:47:39,160
I don't know when I'm going to
get it, but hopefully within the

1797
01:47:39,160 --> 01:47:43,880
next few couple weeks and then
after this drops, we'll get that

1798
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:52,000
in the show notes.
So I think I'm just going to

1799
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:55,120
skip down to the the conclusion.
So these above quotes, while not

1800
01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:59,360
exhausted, should be sufficient
to establish the historicity of

1801
01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:01,720
the prophecies of Joseph Smith
regarding the fullness of the

1802
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:03,960
priesthood which would never
again be taken from the earth,

1803
01:48:04,360 --> 01:48:07,200
as well as the fact that this is
the last dispensation and there

1804
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:11,160
will be no other dispensations.
These records also establish

1805
01:48:11,240 --> 01:48:14,440
that the chain of custody, those
with whom the fullness of the

1806
01:48:14,440 --> 01:48:17,600
priesthood were entrusted and
preserved, were the 12, and

1807
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:20,440
others, all who had received the
fullness of the priesthood, In

1808
01:48:20,440 --> 01:48:22,280
other words, the 2nd Anointing
Ordinance.

1809
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:26,000
So I invite any who remain
unsure to study this history and

1810
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:28,160
doctrine, ponder the principles
in your mind, and then take the

1811
01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:30,920
matter to the Lord in prayer to
obtain a witness and testimony

1812
01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:34,360
from heaven.
All right.

1813
01:48:34,360 --> 01:48:37,120
Any last things you want to say
on that section before we go to

1814
01:48:37,120 --> 01:48:38,800
the last section?
Nope, I'm good.

1815
01:48:39,560 --> 01:48:42,520
All right.
So bring it home with a, a

1816
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:44,880
question and we've already kind
of alluded to this.

1817
01:48:44,920 --> 01:48:47,320
We we in fact we may have even
covered this question.

1818
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:49,840
So is the second comforter the
same as having ones calling

1819
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:54,040
election made sure calling
election made sure is a little

1820
01:48:54,040 --> 01:48:58,120
different?
Well, I'm just going to continue

1821
01:48:58,120 --> 01:48:59,560
to read unless.
Do you have any thoughts?

1822
01:48:59,800 --> 01:49:00,800
Before we go.
Back.

1823
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:05,160
OK, so in Scripture, having
one's calling an election made

1824
01:49:05,160 --> 01:49:08,680
sure does not require seeing God
or Christ personally.

1825
01:49:08,920 --> 01:49:11,080
Now this is different than a lot
of takes.

1826
01:49:11,240 --> 01:49:14,880
And you know, even my own
thought process like in in in

1827
01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:18,160
years past, I would have said
that, yeah, you can't have your

1828
01:49:18,160 --> 01:49:21,080
calling election made sure if
you haven't seen God, God in the

1829
01:49:21,080 --> 01:49:23,520
flesh, right?
Or at least Christ in the flesh.

1830
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:26,960
But I, as I was studying the
scriptures, check this out.

1831
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:30,120
So Alma the Elder, for example,
was one of the wicked priests

1832
01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:32,760
consecrated by King Noah in
Mosiah chapter 17.

1833
01:49:33,440 --> 01:49:35,240
He's converted by a benedized
preaching.

1834
01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:37,880
He escaped the King's court and
taught while in hiding,

1835
01:49:38,160 --> 01:49:41,640
eventually leads a group of
believers to Zarahemla and King

1836
01:49:41,640 --> 01:49:45,920
Uzziah there makes Alma the
Elder the head of the Nephite

1837
01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:49,200
Christian Church gives him power
to ordain priests and teachers

1838
01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:54,120
over every church.
So later when Alma's dealing

1839
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:56,720
with a matter of internal
dissension, he gets this

1840
01:49:56,720 --> 01:49:59,600
revelation.
This is from Mosiah, chapter 26,

1841
01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:04,480
verses 14 and 15 And then skips
a little bit to 20, quote.

1842
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:08,480
And it came to pass that after
he Alma had poured out his whole

1843
01:50:08,480 --> 01:50:11,240
soul to God, the voice of the
Lord came to him, saying,

1844
01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:14,560
Blessed art thou Alma, and
blessed are they who were

1845
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:16,360
baptized in the waters of
Mormon.

1846
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:20,800
Thou art blessed because of thy
exceeding faith in the words

1847
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:23,920
alone of my servant.
To Benedict, thou art my

1848
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:26,800
servant, and I covenant with
thee, that thou shalt have

1849
01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:30,440
eternal life, and thou shalt
serve me and go forth in my

1850
01:50:30,440 --> 01:50:33,240
name, and shalt gather together
my sheep.

1851
01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:39,920
So in other words, he is being
promised by the voice of God the

1852
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:43,480
eternal life.
His calling an election has been

1853
01:50:43,480 --> 01:50:50,800
made sure, but it says also he
believes in the words alone of

1854
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:55,240
of my servant of Benedict.
And so you can have your calling

1855
01:50:55,240 --> 01:51:00,960
election made sure without
seeing God.

1856
01:51:01,640 --> 01:51:03,720
And so, like he's the head of
the church, he has a calling.

1857
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:08,000
I actually made sure.
So Alma's not had a theophany at

1858
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:10,760
this point.
Even now he only hears God's

1859
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:12,280
words.
Now, that's not the only

1860
01:51:12,280 --> 01:51:14,640
example, though.
If it was the only one, maybe we

1861
01:51:14,640 --> 01:51:18,080
could go, you know, throw some,
throw some doubt into that.

1862
01:51:18,440 --> 01:51:21,560
So we have additional examples
from church history that support

1863
01:51:21,560 --> 01:51:24,120
the same principle, including
the testimony of Brigham Young,

1864
01:51:24,120 --> 01:51:25,880
Hebrew, C Kimball, and others of
the 12.

1865
01:51:26,480 --> 01:51:29,680
These men received assurances
that their calling an election

1866
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:32,200
had been sealed and made sure by
the voice of God.

1867
01:51:32,400 --> 01:51:35,720
Yet most of them never had the
experience of seeing God in the

1868
01:51:35,720 --> 01:51:38,680
flesh that we have record of it
at least so.

1869
01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:44,320
Heber Heber C Kimball's diary
dated April 6th, 1839, says this

1870
01:51:45,480 --> 01:51:47,560
quote.
The following words came to my

1871
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:50,440
mind, and the Spirit said unto
me, right which I did, by taking

1872
01:51:50,440 --> 01:51:52,760
a piece of paper and writing on
my knee as follows.

1873
01:51:53,440 --> 01:51:56,880
Verily I say unto my servant
Heber, Thou art my son, in whom

1874
01:51:56,880 --> 01:51:59,160
I am well pleased.
For thou art careful to hearken

1875
01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:02,640
to my words, and not transgress
my law, nor rebel against my

1876
01:52:02,640 --> 01:52:05,080
servant Joseph Smith.
For thou has to respect the

1877
01:52:05,080 --> 01:52:08,440
words of mine, anointed even
from the least to the greatest

1878
01:52:08,440 --> 01:52:10,200
of them.
Therefore thy name is written in

1879
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:13,920
heaven no more, to be blotted
out forever because of these

1880
01:52:13,920 --> 01:52:18,320
things.
And Hebrew later testified, I

1881
01:52:18,320 --> 01:52:20,800
know this.
I know it by revelation, by the

1882
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:23,200
Spirit of God.
For in this way my heavenly

1883
01:52:23,200 --> 01:52:25,480
Father communes with me, and
maketh known unto me and his

1884
01:52:25,480 --> 01:52:28,480
mind and will.
I have never seen him in person.

1885
01:52:29,200 --> 01:52:31,600
But when I see my brethren, I
see his image, and I discover

1886
01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:40,120
the attributes of God in them.
That's dated 1865 South, last

1887
01:52:40,120 --> 01:52:44,840
statement from Hebrew Kimball.
He's testifying that Joseph had

1888
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:47,400
anxiety for the 12 while they
were serving their missions to

1889
01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:49,120
England and has kind of a
vision.

1890
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:53,200
So, so he so this is Hebrew C
Kimball relating something that

1891
01:52:53,200 --> 01:52:57,320
Joseph shared with him.
So he says Joseph saw the 12

1892
01:52:57,320 --> 01:53:01,480
going forth and they appeared to
be in a far distant land.

1893
01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:04,880
After some time they
unexpectedly met together,

1894
01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:08,000
apparently in great tribulation,
their clothes all ragged and

1895
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:11,600
their knees and feet sore.
They formed into a circle, and

1896
01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:14,080
all stood with their eyes fixed
upon the ground.

1897
01:53:14,640 --> 01:53:17,720
The Saviour appeared and stood
in their midst and wept over

1898
01:53:17,720 --> 01:53:21,200
them, and wanted to show himself
to them, but they did not

1899
01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:25,040
discover him.
He Joseph saw, until they had

1900
01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:27,360
accomplished their work and
arrived at the gate of the

1901
01:53:27,360 --> 01:53:30,160
celestial city.
Their father Adam, stood and

1902
01:53:30,160 --> 01:53:32,440
opened the gate to them, and as
they entered he embraced them

1903
01:53:32,440 --> 01:53:35,560
one by one and kissed them.
He then LED them to the throne

1904
01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:38,440
of God, and then the Saviour
embraced each one of them in the

1905
01:53:38,440 --> 01:53:41,240
presence of God.
He saw that they all had

1906
01:53:41,240 --> 01:53:43,440
beautiful heads of hair and all
looked alike.

1907
01:53:43,680 --> 01:53:46,680
The impression this vision left
on Brother Joseph's mind was of

1908
01:53:46,680 --> 01:53:50,960
so acute a nature that he could
never refrain from weeping while

1909
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:55,680
rehearsing it.
That's kind of interesting.

1910
01:53:55,920 --> 01:53:59,000
The Savior appears to the 12,
but they didn't see him because

1911
01:53:59,000 --> 01:54:02,000
their eyes were looking at the
ground, right?

1912
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:04,560
But anyway.
Can I can I point something else

1913
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:05,600
out there in this?
Sure.

1914
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:08,040
I'm sorry, this is a little bit
of a tangent.

1915
01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:12,240
Second Nephi.
Who did it say guards the gate?

1916
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:17,520
I, the Lord and the keeper of
the Gate, Christ, and I employ

1917
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:18,880
no servant there.
Is that the one you're talking

1918
01:54:18,880 --> 01:54:19,600
about?
Yeah.

1919
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:22,320
What does it say here?
Who guards the gate to the

1920
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:24,360
Celestial City, which we would
assume?

1921
01:54:25,320 --> 01:54:28,920
Hey, that's interesting.
Yeah, Adam greets the I'm just.

1922
01:54:29,400 --> 01:54:31,920
Just, you know, if you're
pondering about the God

1923
01:54:31,920 --> 01:54:34,640
doctrine, you may.
I'm just saying anyway, all

1924
01:54:34,640 --> 01:54:40,400
right.
So Brigham Young corroborates

1925
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:43,320
this, and he says, quote, Before
Joseph's death he had a

1926
01:54:43,320 --> 01:54:46,280
revelation concerning myself and
others, which signified that we

1927
01:54:46,280 --> 01:54:49,440
had passed the ordeal, and that
we should never apostatize from

1928
01:54:49,440 --> 01:54:52,880
the faith of the holy gospel.
And said, Joseph, if there is

1929
01:54:52,880 --> 01:54:55,200
any danger, if you're doing
this, the Lord will take you to

1930
01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:57,600
himself forthwith, for you
cannot stray from the truth.

1931
01:54:58,160 --> 01:55:00,400
When men and women have
travelled to a certain point in

1932
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:03,240
their laborers in this life, God
sets a seal upon them that they

1933
01:55:03,240 --> 01:55:05,520
can never forsake their God or
his Kingdom.

1934
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:08,240
For rather than they should do
this, he will at once take them

1935
01:55:08,240 --> 01:55:12,320
to himself.
Now this is a problematic

1936
01:55:12,320 --> 01:55:16,920
statement because this becomes
the foundation for the tradition

1937
01:55:16,920 --> 01:55:19,040
of infallibility.
The prophet can't lead the

1938
01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:20,480
church astray.
Nonsense.

1939
01:55:23,040 --> 01:55:26,880
But there is something about
this.

1940
01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:31,720
That is you know the 2nd
anointing ordinance is a promise

1941
01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:36,440
of eternal life.
And you know, obviously it's

1942
01:55:36,440 --> 01:55:39,800
conditional promise.
Like if you do certain things,

1943
01:55:39,800 --> 01:55:44,880
you cross a certain line, you
know shed innocent blood ring,

1944
01:55:44,920 --> 01:55:47,720
ring any bells.
Like you can fall from that and

1945
01:55:47,720 --> 01:55:50,080
now you are a candidate for
perdition rather than

1946
01:55:50,080 --> 01:55:54,560
exaltation.
But you know, if you are have

1947
01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:57,160
have received the fullness of
the ordinance, the 2nd anointing

1948
01:55:57,160 --> 01:56:00,720
fullness of the priesthood, and
your calling an election is made

1949
01:56:00,720 --> 01:56:04,320
sure by the more sure word of
prophecy, whether that's the

1950
01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:07,400
voice of God.
In this case, it says Joseph

1951
01:56:07,400 --> 01:56:10,720
getting this revelation, then
that means that doesn't mean

1952
01:56:10,720 --> 01:56:14,360
that you won't that you're
infallible, but it means that

1953
01:56:14,360 --> 01:56:17,680
you will not become perdition
now.

1954
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:21,720
So there's a difference.
There's a big gap between not

1955
01:56:21,720 --> 01:56:23,920
infallible and candidate for
perdition.

1956
01:56:24,120 --> 01:56:28,920
And so this is a problematic
statement when people cite it as

1957
01:56:28,920 --> 01:56:31,960
the foundation for we just need
to follow the prophet or follow

1958
01:56:31,960 --> 01:56:34,640
the brethren, or, you know, they
can't lead the Church astray.

1959
01:56:35,160 --> 01:56:37,200
Nonsense.
And this is the other thing is

1960
01:56:37,200 --> 01:56:40,200
this is very personal.
Joseph did not get a revelation

1961
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:43,600
that all of the future
presidents or leadership of the

1962
01:56:43,600 --> 01:56:45,560
Church couldn't lead the Church
astray.

1963
01:56:47,840 --> 01:56:50,000
This is just Brigham and his
contemporaries.

1964
01:56:50,240 --> 01:56:55,000
So right.
All right, so so Alma, Hebrew,

1965
01:56:55,000 --> 01:56:57,280
Brigham and the 12 could
rightfully claim God's power and

1966
01:56:57,280 --> 01:56:59,080
authority.
They had all heard the voice of

1967
01:56:59,080 --> 01:57:01,600
God, their calling.
Elections were made sure without

1968
01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:04,840
a dramatic vision or visitation.
It's worth noting that the

1969
01:57:04,840 --> 01:57:06,920
members of the 12 who are in
England, and thus were the

1970
01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:10,560
subject of Joseph's vision above
regarding their salvation, never

1971
01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:13,320
experienced any apostasy.
Now that doesn't mean they were

1972
01:57:13,320 --> 01:57:15,320
perfect.
They made mistakes and but they

1973
01:57:15,320 --> 01:57:17,920
did not abandon the gospel.
So this.

1974
01:57:17,920 --> 01:57:22,400
These men by name are Heber C
Kimball, Orson Pratt, Parley P

1975
01:57:22,400 --> 01:57:26,920
Pratt, Willard Richards, George
A Smith, John Taylor, Wilford

1976
01:57:26,920 --> 01:57:30,320
Woodruff, and Brigham Young.
So two of the core members who

1977
01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:34,360
didn't go on that mission
apostatize Johnny Page and

1978
01:57:34,360 --> 01:57:36,240
William Smith.
And then the third went W to

1979
01:57:36,240 --> 01:57:37,640
Utah.
This is Orson Hyde.

1980
01:57:38,160 --> 01:57:41,520
So one spot in the corn was
vacant at the time for those who

1981
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:44,520
were counting.
So all eight of the missionaries

1982
01:57:44,520 --> 01:57:47,200
plus Orson Hyde received the
full temple ordinances from

1983
01:57:47,200 --> 01:57:49,520
Joseph at Nauvoo, including the
second anointing.

1984
01:57:49,760 --> 01:57:53,240
Paige received nothing and
William Smith only the 1st

1985
01:57:53,240 --> 01:57:57,080
endowment.
So might it not be considered

1986
01:57:57,080 --> 01:58:00,440
sign seeking if Brigham or the
others had insisted upon having

1987
01:58:00,440 --> 01:58:03,240
a theophany when Joseph Smith
and later the voice of God

1988
01:58:03,240 --> 01:58:06,480
directly had already given him a
revelation assuring them of

1989
01:58:06,480 --> 01:58:09,560
their status.
Christ himself said, blessed are

1990
01:58:09,560 --> 01:58:11,800
they that have not seen and yet
have believed.

1991
01:58:12,280 --> 01:58:14,960
Now I'm not saying that this
should be used in as in as an

1992
01:58:14,960 --> 01:58:19,200
excuse and like therefore oh,
I'm off the I'm off the hook.

1993
01:58:19,200 --> 01:58:21,720
I don't have to work towards
that anymore, obviously.

1994
01:58:21,960 --> 01:58:26,320
It's it's gonna be we need to
cultivate a an inborn, inherent,

1995
01:58:26,320 --> 01:58:31,680
natural desire for such things
and seek after them 'cause if

1996
01:58:31,680 --> 01:58:33,680
you're not asking, you're
probably.

1997
01:58:34,680 --> 01:58:36,480
Not gonna.
Receive If you're not seeking,

1998
01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:41,080
you probably won't find, but you
can have your calling an

1999
01:58:41,080 --> 01:58:47,440
election made sure before you
have had an interaction with

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01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:50,040
Deity in the Flesh.
That's the point of that

2001
01:58:50,040 --> 01:58:52,160
section.
I love the two accounts too,

2002
01:58:52,160 --> 01:58:54,880
right?
You got one that comes to Heber

2003
01:58:54,880 --> 01:58:58,640
C Kimball as he's just sitting
in a meeting and begins jotting

2004
01:58:58,640 --> 01:59:02,560
down revelation, right?
And.

2005
01:59:02,560 --> 01:59:03,720
And actually.
I think that was he was at.

2006
01:59:03,720 --> 01:59:04,920
He was sleeping.
It was at night.

2007
01:59:04,920 --> 01:59:09,080
But yeah, excuse me.
Yeah, but he he gets that.

2008
01:59:09,720 --> 01:59:11,600
And that sounds like a
revelation, right?

2009
01:59:11,600 --> 01:59:13,800
That's you can hear God's voice
in that.

2010
01:59:13,800 --> 01:59:15,840
Right.
And so that's one way his

2011
01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:17,320
calling an election was made.
Sure.

2012
01:59:17,640 --> 01:59:21,160
I like the other way where where
Joseph does it for Brigham and

2013
01:59:21,160 --> 01:59:23,640
and a couple of his
contemporaries where where

2014
01:59:23,640 --> 01:59:27,120
Joseph being the mouthpiece at
that moment for the Lord was

2015
01:59:27,120 --> 01:59:30,840
like hey guys, just you know
sharing something very personal

2016
01:59:30,840 --> 01:59:34,560
and beautiful.
I I like the the the the way

2017
01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:38,040
that that sets up that that
feels right that that there

2018
01:59:38,040 --> 01:59:39,280
could be a couple different
ways.

2019
01:59:39,560 --> 01:59:42,080
I'm not saying that one couldn't
receive their calling an

2020
01:59:42,080 --> 01:59:44,680
election made sure through that
through the 2nd comforter.

2021
01:59:45,000 --> 01:59:49,160
But it it certainly I, I do like
the fact that there's there's

2022
01:59:49,160 --> 01:59:51,000
multiple avenues there so to
speak.

2023
01:59:51,680 --> 01:59:57,280
K exactly.
So this, this last segment is

2024
01:59:57,280 --> 02:00:01,920
I'm going to lay out the true
criteria for receiving the

2025
02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:07,120
second comforter.
And so this is the in the flesh

2026
02:00:07,120 --> 02:00:11,160
interactions with Christ.
For all who will have a blessing

2027
02:00:11,160 --> 02:00:15,600
at my hands, and this is Christ
speaking, shall abide the law

2028
02:00:15,720 --> 02:00:18,440
which was appointed for that
blessing, and the conditions

2029
02:00:18,440 --> 02:00:21,560
thereof as were instituted from
before the foundation of the

2030
02:00:21,560 --> 02:00:25,840
world.
Section 132, verse 5.

2031
02:00:26,320 --> 02:00:29,720
Right.
OK, wherefore he that prayeth,

2032
02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:36,360
whose spirit is contrite, The
same is accepted of me, if he

2033
02:00:36,360 --> 02:00:39,640
obey mine ordinances.
He that speaketh whose spirit is

2034
02:00:39,640 --> 02:00:43,680
contrite, whose languages me can
edify it the same as of God, if

2035
02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:49,520
he obey mine ordinances.
It's interesting he doesn't use

2036
02:00:49,520 --> 02:00:51,640
just the word commandments.
It's.

2037
02:00:51,640 --> 02:00:55,120
Correct.
He he's very specific here in in

2038
02:00:55,280 --> 02:00:58,440
the use of the word ordinances.
And that's from Doctrine

2039
02:00:58,440 --> 02:01:01,160
Covenant section 52, verses 15
and 16.

2040
02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:07,640
OK, They who will not hear the
voice of the Lord, neither the

2041
02:01:07,640 --> 02:01:10,800
voice of his servants, neither
give heed to the words of the

2042
02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:14,400
prophets and apostles shall be
cut off from among the people,

2043
02:01:14,400 --> 02:01:18,960
for they have strayed from mine
ordinances and have broken mine.

2044
02:01:18,960 --> 02:01:22,720
Everlasting.
Covenant doctrine and Covenant

2045
02:01:22,720 --> 02:01:30,800
Section 1, verses 14 and 15.
So priesthood is service.

2046
02:01:31,560 --> 02:01:34,520
Priesthood is administering
ordinances.

2047
02:01:35,440 --> 02:01:43,200
But priesthood also gives one
authority over others.

2048
02:01:44,240 --> 02:01:49,440
And this is a challenge because
men suck and they like to

2049
02:01:49,640 --> 02:01:52,920
exercise unrighteous dominion
and you know, take authority

2050
02:01:52,920 --> 02:01:56,000
that they don't have, you know
that they shouldn't and and and

2051
02:01:56,000 --> 02:02:00,320
all of that stuff.
But what this does show is that,

2052
02:02:00,360 --> 02:02:03,640
like you like, like we talked
about up above a few minutes

2053
02:02:03,640 --> 02:02:07,600
ago, legal administrators are a
big deal.

2054
02:02:07,800 --> 02:02:14,760
Like they are important.
And you know, the the, the

2055
02:02:14,760 --> 02:02:18,400
servants of the Lord, those who
have the fullness of the

2056
02:02:18,400 --> 02:02:22,640
priesthood.
People should listen to them,

2057
02:02:23,720 --> 02:02:28,160
not because they're better than
them, but because they are more

2058
02:02:28,160 --> 02:02:30,640
advanced than them.
Right.

2059
02:02:30,920 --> 02:02:34,160
And they are the only ones who
can give them correct

2060
02:02:34,160 --> 02:02:37,560
instruction on how to advance
yourself.

2061
02:02:38,080 --> 02:02:43,960
Right.
So, oh, I forgot I I I guess I

2062
02:02:43,960 --> 02:02:46,160
have a duplicate.
Well, maybe it's different.

2063
02:02:46,160 --> 02:02:47,440
Anyway, I'm gonna read this next
one.

2064
02:02:47,440 --> 02:02:50,440
If it's a review, it's a review.
It's it's worth 'cause I was

2065
02:02:50,440 --> 02:02:54,880
just actually alluding to it.
So quote Whenever men can find

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02:02:54,880 --> 02:02:58,440
out the will of God and find an
administrator legally authorized

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02:02:58,440 --> 02:03:01,160
from God, there is the Kingdom
of God.

2068
02:03:01,160 --> 02:03:03,640
But where these are not the
Kingdom of God is not.

2069
02:03:04,160 --> 02:03:07,960
All the ordinances, systems, and
administrations on the earth is

2070
02:03:07,960 --> 02:03:11,280
of no use to the children of men
unless they are ordained and

2071
02:03:11,280 --> 02:03:14,360
authorized of God.
For nothing will save a man but

2072
02:03:14,360 --> 02:03:18,720
a legal administrator, for none
others will be acknowledged

2073
02:03:18,960 --> 02:03:24,800
either by God or angels, and
that's Joseph Smith, and

2074
02:03:25,400 --> 02:03:28,720
original grammar and spelling
for those reading along.

2075
02:03:29,240 --> 02:03:32,400
So as the above scriptures and
teachings of Joseph Smith here

2076
02:03:32,400 --> 02:03:35,600
make abundantly clear, in order
to qualify for the 2nd

2077
02:03:35,600 --> 02:03:41,320
Comforter, 1 must first receive
and obey all of the ordinances

2078
02:03:41,320 --> 02:03:44,320
of the priesthood.
A person might see Christ in a

2079
02:03:44,320 --> 02:03:47,080
vision, a dream, or even a near
death experience and in that way

2080
02:03:47,080 --> 02:03:50,280
be an apostle.
Lowercase a quote, UN quote of

2081
02:03:50,280 --> 02:03:54,120
Christ, similar to like Saul on
the road to Damascus, He hadn't

2082
02:03:54,120 --> 02:03:56,800
even been ordained yet.
He's an apostle because he had

2083
02:03:56,800 --> 02:04:00,320
that theophany experience with
Christ on the road to Damascus.

2084
02:04:00,640 --> 02:04:04,240
But there's a vast difference
between a visionary experience

2085
02:04:04,280 --> 02:04:07,480
versus being blessed under
Christ's hand in the flesh.

2086
02:04:07,840 --> 02:04:11,800
And unless and until that
person, like Paul, has received

2087
02:04:11,800 --> 02:04:14,840
the fullness of the ordinances,
it should not be expected or

2088
02:04:14,840 --> 02:04:18,920
sought prematurely.
So if you hadn't received the

2089
02:04:18,920 --> 02:04:22,000
ordinances, you shouldn't be
seeking the second comforter.

2090
02:04:22,560 --> 02:04:25,240
Right.
OK, there's no shortcut, and

2091
02:04:25,240 --> 02:04:28,080
Joseph's teachings and
revelations layout the course to

2092
02:04:28,080 --> 02:04:32,160
the second comforter as being
contingent upon first receiving

2093
02:04:32,160 --> 02:04:34,400
and obeying the fullness of the
ordinances.

2094
02:04:35,400 --> 02:04:40,120
Right.
OK, I already.

2095
02:04:40,200 --> 02:04:42,680
I think I actually read this.
I forgot I had it later on.

2096
02:04:42,680 --> 02:04:47,480
But so section 84 verses 19
through 22 says, And this

2097
02:04:47,480 --> 02:04:50,120
greater, which is the fullness
of the Melchizedek priesthood,

2098
02:04:50,480 --> 02:04:53,800
administereth the gospel and
holdeth the key of the mysteries

2099
02:04:53,800 --> 02:04:56,880
of the Kingdom, even the key of
the knowledge of God.

2100
02:04:57,200 --> 02:04:59,320
If you want to know God, you
need the fullness of the

2101
02:04:59,320 --> 02:05:01,920
Melchizedek priesthood.
Therefore in the ordinances

2102
02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:05,560
thereof the power of godliness
is manifest, and without the

2103
02:05:05,560 --> 02:05:08,080
ordinances thereof and the
authority of the priesthood, the

2104
02:05:08,080 --> 02:05:12,120
power of godliness is not
manifest unto men in the flesh.

2105
02:05:12,520 --> 02:05:15,440
Without this no man can see the
face of God, even the Father,

2106
02:05:15,440 --> 02:05:21,960
and live.
On the 27th of August, 1843,

2107
02:05:22,400 --> 02:05:26,040
Joseph spoke of Abraham's
receipt of, quote, a blessing

2108
02:05:26,040 --> 02:05:29,880
under the hands of Melchizedek,
even the last law or a fullness

2109
02:05:29,880 --> 02:05:32,880
of the law or priesthood, which
constituted him a king and a

2110
02:05:32,880 --> 02:05:36,200
priest after the order of
Melchizedek, or an endless life.

2111
02:05:37,440 --> 02:05:40,880
This statement is significant
for two reasons.

2112
02:05:41,200 --> 02:05:45,760
First, it defines precisely how
Joseph saw the fullness of the

2113
02:05:45,760 --> 02:05:49,000
priesthood, the last and final
power that could be given on

2114
02:05:49,000 --> 02:05:51,600
earth.
He spoke of it in the same terms

2115
02:05:51,600 --> 02:05:55,360
he used to describes the 2nd
anointing or second indictment.

2116
02:05:56,240 --> 02:06:01,880
Secondly, Joseph declares that
Abraham received it by

2117
02:06:01,880 --> 02:06:04,800
ordination under the hands of
another.

2118
02:06:04,800 --> 02:06:09,240
Mortal, right?
Yep, even in Abraham's time.

2119
02:06:09,240 --> 02:06:12,280
And we know he did have heavenly
visitations right the men that

2120
02:06:12,280 --> 02:06:18,160
showed up to his tent.
But that's not until after he

2121
02:06:18,160 --> 02:06:22,920
receives, as Joseph alludes to
here, that his second anointing

2122
02:06:23,040 --> 02:06:29,800
under the hand of Melchizedek.
Yeah, so in conclusion, to seek

2123
02:06:29,800 --> 02:06:34,320
the 2nd comforter is not a bad
or wrong desire, but it must

2124
02:06:34,320 --> 02:06:38,120
follow correct principles.
The fullness of the ordinances

2125
02:06:38,120 --> 02:06:41,680
are the essential key which is
universally neglected or

2126
02:06:41,680 --> 02:06:45,520
obfuscated or even overtly
denied by those using this

2127
02:06:45,520 --> 02:06:49,960
doctrine to promote themselves.
From my personal experience and

2128
02:06:49,960 --> 02:06:52,960
observation, seeking the 2nd
comforter without having

2129
02:06:52,960 --> 02:06:55,760
received the fullness of the
ordinances results in

2130
02:06:55,760 --> 02:06:58,440
frustration and discouragement
at best.

2131
02:06:58,840 --> 02:07:03,080
And the temptation to lie about
having such an experience, or at

2132
02:07:03,080 --> 02:07:07,080
worst, demonic deception,
because too great a desire

2133
02:07:07,080 --> 02:07:09,440
without understanding the
underlying principles, makes

2134
02:07:09,440 --> 02:07:13,560
oneself vulnerable to false
Christ's or deceiving spirits,

2135
02:07:13,560 --> 02:07:16,520
similar to the stories of Mihor
and Korahor in the Book of

2136
02:07:16,520 --> 02:07:17,640
Mormon.
Right.

2137
02:07:18,360 --> 02:07:21,160
Men like, and I'm gonna name
some names here.

2138
02:07:21,160 --> 02:07:27,360
Francis G Bishop, James String,
and more recently Jim Harmstone,

2139
02:07:27,600 --> 02:07:32,840
Denver Snuffer, Rob Smith,
Joseph Rockwell, Phil Davis and

2140
02:07:32,840 --> 02:07:36,680
many others have used claims
like these to gain influence

2141
02:07:36,680 --> 02:07:40,680
over and or monetary support
from others which has produced

2142
02:07:40,760 --> 02:07:44,680
self evidently evil fruits in
the eyes of all impartial

2143
02:07:44,680 --> 02:07:47,920
observers.
If anyone reading this article

2144
02:07:47,920 --> 02:07:51,040
or listening to this podcast
feels a desire and calling to

2145
02:07:51,040 --> 02:07:55,760
seek the 2nd comforter, my
earnest advice is to 1st focus

2146
02:07:55,760 --> 02:07:59,240
on learning and obeying all the
laws upon which that blessing is

2147
02:07:59,240 --> 02:08:03,360
predicated and then prayerfully
search for legal administrators

2148
02:08:03,360 --> 02:08:06,040
who can provide the fullness of
the ordinances through which you

2149
02:08:06,040 --> 02:08:09,040
will receive the keys necessary
to unlock and open that door.

2150
02:08:10,360 --> 02:08:15,360
Perfect SO2 scriptures to wrap
it up.

2151
02:08:16,120 --> 02:08:21,280
This comes from 35, Chapter 14.
Beware of false prophets who

2152
02:08:21,280 --> 02:08:24,400
come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are ravening

2153
02:08:24,400 --> 02:08:26,480
wolves.
Ye shall know them by their

2154
02:08:26,480 --> 02:08:29,000
fruits.
Do men gather grapes of thorns,

2155
02:08:29,000 --> 02:08:32,000
or figs of thistles?
Even so, every good tree

2156
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:35,520
bringeth forth good fruit, but a
corrupt tree bringeth forth evil

2157
02:08:35,520 --> 02:08:38,160
fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth

2158
02:08:38,160 --> 02:08:41,360
evil fruit, neither a corrupt
tree bring forth good fruit.

2159
02:08:41,760 --> 02:08:44,720
Every tree that bringeth not
forth good fruit is hewn down

2160
02:08:44,720 --> 02:08:47,960
and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye

2161
02:08:48,080 --> 02:08:51,720
shall know them.
Not everyone that saith unto me,

2162
02:08:51,720 --> 02:08:54,440
Lord, Lord, shall enter into the
Kingdom of heaven.

2163
02:08:55,040 --> 02:08:59,480
But he that doeth the will of my
Father, who is in heaven, many

2164
02:08:59,480 --> 02:09:02,280
will say to me in that day,
Lord, Lord, have you not

2165
02:09:02,280 --> 02:09:05,320
prophesied in my name?
And in thy name have cast out

2166
02:09:05,320 --> 02:09:08,880
devils, and in thy name done
many wonderful works?

2167
02:09:10,200 --> 02:09:13,960
And then will I profess unto
them, I never knew you depart

2168
02:09:13,960 --> 02:09:19,600
from me, Ye that work iniquity.
Therefore whoso heareth these

2169
02:09:19,600 --> 02:09:22,040
sayings of mine, and do with
them, I will liken him unto a

2170
02:09:22,040 --> 02:09:24,520
wise man who built his house
upon a rock.

2171
02:09:25,040 --> 02:09:27,400
And the rain descended, and the
floods came, and the winds blew

2172
02:09:27,400 --> 02:09:30,600
and beat upon that house, and it
fell not, for it was founded

2173
02:09:30,600 --> 02:09:33,800
upon a rock.
And everyone that heareth these

2174
02:09:33,800 --> 02:09:36,800
things of mine, and do with them
not, shall be likened unto a

2175
02:09:36,800 --> 02:09:38,800
foolish man who built his house
upon the sand.

2176
02:09:38,800 --> 02:09:41,280
And the rains descended, and the
floods came, and the winds blew

2177
02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:44,520
and beat upon that house, and it
fell, and great was the fall of

2178
02:09:44,520 --> 02:09:49,840
it.
And then I quoted this in part

2179
02:09:49,840 --> 02:09:51,480
before.
I'm just going to read the whole

2180
02:09:51,480 --> 02:09:52,960
verse.
So this is from second Nephi,

2181
02:09:52,960 --> 02:09:56,280
Chapter 9 and verse 41.
Oh, then my beloved brethren,

2182
02:09:56,280 --> 02:10:00,960
come unto the Lord the Holy One,
Remember that his paths are

2183
02:10:00,960 --> 02:10:03,720
righteous.
Behold, the way, for man is

2184
02:10:03,720 --> 02:10:07,000
narrow, but it lieth in a
straight course before him.

2185
02:10:07,440 --> 02:10:11,160
And the keeper of the gate is
the Holy One of Israel, and he

2186
02:10:11,160 --> 02:10:15,600
employeth no servant there.
And there is none other way save

2187
02:10:15,600 --> 02:10:21,080
it be by the gate or he cannot
be deceived for the Lord God is

2188
02:10:21,080 --> 02:10:25,280
his name.
Wow.

2189
02:10:25,280 --> 02:10:27,920
Well, dude, think we covered
that well enough.

2190
02:10:29,040 --> 02:10:32,240
I I think so.
Any other questions or comments?

2191
02:10:33,000 --> 02:10:35,200
No, I I do want to wrap up with
this.

2192
02:10:35,600 --> 02:10:38,080
Is there anything else you
wanted to add before I wrap this

2193
02:10:38,080 --> 02:10:39,360
up?
Nope.

2194
02:10:39,360 --> 02:10:48,440
Go for it.
So the ordinances serve a dual

2195
02:10:48,440 --> 02:10:52,720
function.
They prepare us to become as God

2196
02:10:52,720 --> 02:10:56,600
is.
They prepare us to receive all

2197
02:10:56,600 --> 02:10:59,440
the blessings that God wants to
give us.

2198
02:11:00,880 --> 02:11:06,920
Second, this gives us an easy
litmus test for the false

2199
02:11:06,920 --> 02:11:14,640
Christs and the the the wolves
in sheep's clothing that are

2200
02:11:14,640 --> 02:11:17,000
prophesied that have to come
among us.

2201
02:11:17,680 --> 02:11:19,320
And they're just coming out of
the woodwork.

2202
02:11:19,360 --> 02:11:21,000
And they're coming out of the
woodwork now.

2203
02:11:22,680 --> 02:11:24,640
So that's the first point I want
to make.

2204
02:11:26,360 --> 02:11:32,280
The second point I want to make
is if someone feels like they

2205
02:11:32,280 --> 02:11:37,520
have met that criteria, and I
don't care if you're in the LDS

2206
02:11:37,520 --> 02:11:41,960
church, if you're in another
fundamentalist group and you

2207
02:11:41,960 --> 02:11:46,000
don't see an Ave. of pursuing
this, and you've put in that

2208
02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:50,840
work, reach out.
There are men on the earth

2209
02:11:50,840 --> 02:11:58,800
today, outside of any church
that have that authority and

2210
02:11:58,800 --> 02:12:00,960
those keys that can be passed
on.

2211
02:12:03,680 --> 02:12:07,200
Seek them earnestly.
They're there for your for your

2212
02:12:07,200 --> 02:12:09,440
taking.
Depending upon how far you want

2213
02:12:09,440 --> 02:12:13,720
to take this, you just have to
be willing to put in the work

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and then ask questions.
I can put you in touch with

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people that can help with that.
Put in the work, seek after

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them.
You're not wrong for wanting

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that experience.
I know that many of you have

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been browbeat, have been labeled
as apostates or crazy for even

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thinking about it.
But you're not.

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You are bold enough and brave
enough to take Joseph and the

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Lord at their word that you can
have sacred, holy experiences,

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and you should want that.
That's the promise of Mormonism.

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So again, if if you fall in that
camp, if you feel like you need

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to put in more work, put the
work in.

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If you feel like you've put the
work in but don't know where to

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go next, Reach out.
Reach out to me.

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Reach out to Taylor.
Reach.

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We know people.
We know guys and and we can.

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We can help, we can facilitate,
but don't stop seeking after

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him.
Use these ordinances as the Lord

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has given it, as a way for us to
seek His face earnestly, to

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experience the power of
godliness, but also to be able

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to tell true men of God from the
wolves in sheep's clothing.

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Taylor, anything you want to add
to that?

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Amen.
OK dude, as always it's awesome.

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I so enjoyed talking with you on
here.

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Good stuff.
Let me know when you get that

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finished up and I will post it
to the show notes and I may even

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give another blurp about it when
you get done so people get

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refreshed on it and they can
they'll remember to go go find

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it.
Sounds great bro.

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Appreciate it.
It's always a blast.

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Yeah, I'll absolutely.
All right.

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Bye everybody.
You're listening to the Mormon

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Renegade podcast.